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[{"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "When I was 5 years old,"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "I almost died. Uh I I took I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "at"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "an electrical cable up here. I took an"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "electrical cable in our house and I I'm"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "not sure what I was thinking"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "consciously, but I stripped all the"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "insulation off and I walked over to a"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "wall plug and I put one side in one and"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "the other side in the other and held on"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "for dear life. And it burned my hands,"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "burned my face, burned all the hair off"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "my face. It was I I'm I'm lucky to be"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "One of the consequences of that is that"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "my body functions differently. When you"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "survive that, your body functions"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "differently. You metabolize a little bit"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "differently. And I said to my mom at"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "that time, uh I said, I'm on the"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "200-year plan. And I'd like I want to"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "see how this world turns out. I want to"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "see all the good things. We've worked so"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "hard. I want to see the good things that"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "happen. and and I I would like to be"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "able to help my global family in any way"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "I can. We're we're going through some"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "very difficult times. And I I think"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "we're going to see more because there's"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "an evolutionary process of of breaking"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "down the systems that are unsustainable."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "And the beauty is the new systems aren't"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "here yet. We're building them. I'll tell"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "you exactly what happened. It happened"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "in broad daylight."}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "Uh I couldn't speak. I couldn't even"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "tell my mom what had happened. Uh I was"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "just in shock. In those days, doctors"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "used to come to the house back in the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "olden back in the olden days. I was"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "lying in my bed waiting for the doctor"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "that my mom had called. And my bed was"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "in the corner of a room. So, I had a"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "wall behind me and a wall to one side."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "In broad daylight, while I was there,"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "all of a sudden, I felt two hands"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "underneath the back of my head. And I"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "knew they couldn't be there because"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "there's a wall behind me. And I rolled"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "my head back and I could see a being"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "behind me that had my head in his"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "cradled hands and it my feet was a"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "second one. They were very tall. They"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "had um maroon colored robes and I"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "couldn't see their faces because they"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "had hoods."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "Were you out of your body?"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "No, I was lying in that bed. I was very"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "conscious. Um, and that was the first"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "time I became aware of a world that"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "other people couldn't see, that I was"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "seeing in that moment."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "And that certainly influenced my ability"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "um to think differently about the world."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "There was a communication that happened"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "that has been constant since that time."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "And I I know what those voices sound"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "like. As a scientist, I don't talk about"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "it a lot because it it there's no"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "context."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "What do you believe they were?"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "They are"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "I mean, were they angels? Were they"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "guides? Were they"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "I don't use those terms. I think it was"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "a uh they were higher dimensional"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "life force"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "maybe from outside the simulation. That"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "was my first experience of a world that"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "I couldn't see, but that I knew they"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "existed because I was seeing it. Uh my"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "mom came in and she said she didn't see"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "anyone. And I said, \"You can't see these"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "beings.\" And so the rest of the story,"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "two weeks later, I I had a drowning. I I"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "literally I walked into a pool and just"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "kept walking into the water, got deeper"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "and deeper, and just let go. It felt"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "good to let go. And then there was a"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "voice that said, \"Do you want to leave"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "this world?\" And I said, \"No.\" And then"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "somebody pulled me out of the water. And"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "that's when it hurt. When it hurt when"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "they started, they had to pump the water"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "out of my lungs and my nose and and all"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "that. But the point that I was before"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "that happened, it was an amazing. It"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "taught me what it fel feels like to let"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "go,"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "to absolutely let go. And that has"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "become a very powerful point of"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "reference."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "Okay. I want to ask you another"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "question. When did you first meet God?"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "I don't know. I don't think of God"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "probably the way that you think of God."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "Maybe I don't think of God the way you"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "think I think of God."}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "Well, from this is where the Gnostic"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "texts are fascinating to me. And you"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "have to ask why would they have been"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "banned and why did so much energy go"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "into keeping the translations public for"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "they were discovered 1945."}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "The the Vatican"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "still is fighting to have some of them"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "never be released. They describe a"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "reality that I think is much closer to"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "the reality that that we live in. um an"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "ultimate reality if you want to call it"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "the monad is the term that they use of"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "pure energy pure light I think that's"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "the the god"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "uh and that there are forces below that"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "that have created artificial copies uh"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "and there are localized gods your friend"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "was talking about I think that's what"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "your friend was was referring to very"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "powerful beings but not the being and"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "every once in a while we have someone"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "from that realm comes into our world and"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "shows us what's possible as a reference"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "point not to be worshiped but to say"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "remember who you are wake up to to the"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "truth of of who you are and we've had"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "those throughout history and I I think"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "that's very possible in in a simulation"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "where somebody on the outside says hey"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "they need a little help and somebody"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "pops in and"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "and the thing about a simulation you"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "know we say you live a hundred a h"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "100red years and you're talking to your"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "guides"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "and you say, \"Thank you, guide for"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "waiting, you know, 50 years for me to"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "get back with you.\" And the guides,"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "they're saying 50 years to you is like a"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "minute to us."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "Because that's the way a simulation"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "works. You can live a hundred years"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "here. It might be 10 minutes"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "in that simulation. And then you try it"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "again and you try it again to to to see,"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "you know, where you can improve. We're"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "speaking to someone who is known in many"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "many realms as being uh a person who"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "talks about concepts of good and evil."}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "Uh it talks about the the codes written"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "into our DNA and into the Bible. And"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "it's like where do all these things fit"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "together? I think a good place for us to"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "start and um I I I want to get to"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "specifics of the book, but I think it"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "would be helpful for people to hear"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "what's your mission like what is your"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "perspective that you sort of enter all"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "of the work that you do from?"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "You know, my mission and my perspective"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "is to love this world, love this world"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "and the people of this world into peace,"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "into the peace that I know is possible."}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "Uh, I have uh it's more than just a an"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "interest. I think probably because of my"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "my heritage. I'm um uh Cherokee blood"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "and Hebrew blood. Both traditions have"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "known a lot of war and a lot of"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "suffering. I think a lot of my viewers"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "know that I was working in the U"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "corporations in the defense industry"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "during the Cold War years and it was a"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "really frightening time in the the"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "history of our world when the"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "superpowers came like this close to"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "doing the unthinkable and and there's no"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "space there because they actually pushed"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "the button twice to release nuclear"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "weapons on civilian populations and"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "twice the tech failed for"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "mysterious reasons. It's a whole"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "conversation around that. But I always"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "felt um if we know where to look into"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "the past and if we know how to look at"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "what those who have come before us have"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "left for us that we would find a way to"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "perhaps end the hurt, end the suffering,"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "in the atrocities in our lifetime that"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "we all have seen in the 20th and and now"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "it's repeating again the 21st century."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "And um and my passion has been to to"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "view our past not simply as an ancient"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "and obsolete way of thinking of things,"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "which is what I was taught as a"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "scientist. I was taught, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "that's back then. We're modern people"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "now. And what I tend to see is a"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "continuity. Is the stuff old? Yes. Are"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "the texts and the traditions old? Yes."}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Are they obsolete? Absolutely not. And"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "if we can begin to view that continuity,"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "we give ourselves a framework uh to to"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "build the kind of peace. And honestly, I"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "think the only way it's going to happen"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "is we've got to think differently about"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "ourselves. And the better we know"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "ourselves, I think the better choices we"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "make, unless we fear one another, unless"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "we fear change in the world. So yes,"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "it's about the world. And really, it all"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "comes down to us."}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "I think we should just like dive right"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "in. By the year 2030, we will either"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "have awakened to the truth of our"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "untapped human potential or we will be"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "locked into a society of hybrid humans"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "that has engineered away our powers of"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "creativity, emotion, empathy, and"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "intuition. This is just in the"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "introduction. I just want everybody to"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "know this is, you know, kind of the"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "framework that you're setting. Tell us"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "what you understand based on the current"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "trends of thinking."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "What are we headed towards? There's a"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "theme in the book that a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "are uncomfortable with"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "uh and the word is divinity because for"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "many people they link divinity with"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "religion and you know I can see where"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "that would happen. There are schools of"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "divinity that do just that and they're"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "good schools."}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "The contemporary definition of divinity"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "this is fascinating to me. It simply"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "says divinity is our ability to"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "transcend perceived limitations."}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "So transcend means become more than"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "perceived. Most of us are living limits"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "in our lives. They're not even real. We"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "are indoctrinated to accept those limits"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "through academia, through our family,"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "our friends, our community, our"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "heritage, our religion, obsolete"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "science. I mean, all kinds of places,"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "but they're not even real. So divinity"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "in its its truest sense is our ability"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "to be the best version of ourselves."}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "And that's where this book is so"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "fascinating to me because there is a"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "concerted effort to keep us from doing"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "that to veil our divinity. Let me just"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "give a couple of examples of when we"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "think of divinity many people think it's"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "a peripheral experience. It's actually"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "foundational."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "A divinity is our ability to imagine."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "That is an expression of human divinity."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Creativity, innovation,"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "uh empathy, sympathy, compassion, the"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "ability to love. I was going to say love"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "without fear. Many of us love and we've"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "we've been hurt in our love. And so when"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "we do love,"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "um what we do is we love just enough and"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "we always hold something back because"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "we're afraid of of being vulnerable and"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "having that hurt again. Forgiveness."}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "Many people forgive and then they look"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "around and and see who's who saw them do"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "the forgiving because they want"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "something to come back."}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "Divinity is loving without fear."}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "forgiveness without unconditional"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "forgiveness. The ability to heal our own"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "bodies that is an expression of um of"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "divinity. So what we find is divinity is"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "actually foundational in our lives. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "not this peripheral thing. It's us being"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "the best version of ourselves. The the"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "move to replace us with technology veils"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "our ability to be the best version of"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "ourselves. It actually veils our our"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "divinity."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "And we can talk about the science that"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "that shows us how that works."}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "So love, the question is, do we love"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "ourselves enough to be the best version"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "of ourselves? Do we love ourselves"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "enough to allow our divinity, which I"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "personally believe is our destiny as"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "individuals uh and as a species, it's"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "it's our our destiny to unlock these"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "extraordinary potentials that we're only"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "beginning to understand."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "your prediction is pretty specific that"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "within a relatively short period of time"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "there's kind of a tipping point that"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "we're at. Talk about that tipping point."}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "So well the best minds of our time now"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "are telling us that unless we change the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "trajectory of where we are right now,"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "the thinking and and the actions uh that"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "shortly after the year 2030"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "uh when we speak to someone on the"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "street or in the grocery store, we will"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "be speaking with some form of a human"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "hybrid"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "species to some degree. Maybe less for"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "some and and more to others."}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "But what they're they're saying to us is"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "unless something changes, very probably"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "We are the last generation of what will"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "be called pure humans. I"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "I don't want people to think that you're"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "going off into like a science fiction"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "conversation. You're talking about"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "things that are but the things that are"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "actually happening, right? Meaning"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "you're not saying that in 5 years"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "everyone's going to be like a robot."}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "You're right. You're talking about some"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "of the subtle"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "things that we see now as subtle"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "intrusions into our humanness."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "There there are many ways to approach"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "this conversation. I was in a conference"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "recently. I was on a panel and and I had"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "a very well-known scientist. He said to"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "me, \"Well, Greg, isn't this the next"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "step in human evolution? Aren't we meant"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "to merge our biology with technology to"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "merge our carbon with with silica?\" And"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "I said, \"No, we're not.\" He said, \"Isn't"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "that the next step in evolution?\" I"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "said, \"It's a false evolution. It's a"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "forced evolution. And we have to say"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "that because if we follow this path of"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "evolution, we lose aspects of our"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "humanness. We were taught that when we"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "come into this world, we have a fixed"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "number of brain cells. And that was a"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "leverage in college."}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "Every beer you drink, you're going to"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "lose some brain cells. Or anything else"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "you embody, Ben, you're going to lose"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "some brain cells."}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "So now what we know is there's a part of"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "the brain, it's the the hippocampus that"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "is producing new brain cells until the"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "last breath we take on this planet. And"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "that's it's not the reason to go and"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "drink like a fish, but but it tells us"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "that our thinking was wrong. But there's"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "a catch. And that catch is the reason"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "I'm sharing this with you. The catch is"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "that while we produce those new cells,"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "if we don't engage them in a meaningful"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "way within about 7 to 10 days, the body"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "believes those cells are not necessary"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "and the cells will atrophy and die."}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "That principle applies to the entire"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "human body. We are essentially a use it"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "or lose it species. We've all heard"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "heard this before. So when we begin"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "replacing facets of the human body with"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "tech and I'm not talking about an"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "occasional titanium titanium hip, you"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "know, or or uh"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "he's got one."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "Yeah. It's it's not that the proposals"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "that are being put forward by"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "organizations like World Economic Forum"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "working through the United Nations for"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "example. They are talking about"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "technology being introduced to all"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "humans at the time of birth by the year"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "2030. What we're not being told is the"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "downside because when a chip begins"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "doing what we do naturally, we lose"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "those cognitive abilities. They begin to"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "atrophy and die in one generation and"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "through epigenetics and next generation"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "pretty soon we we are no longer"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "functioning the way we have in the past."}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "It"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "was fascinating me because a lot of"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "people think it's like this little dial."}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "You can say, well, let's let's just try,"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "you know, we'll turn on transhumanism,"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "which is the word we haven't introduced"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "yet, but transhumanism, trans means"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "beyond."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "So, the transhuman movement is the"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "movement to replace much of our either"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "augment or replace much of our biology"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "with synthetics and with technology. And"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "that movement uh is what we're talking"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "about here. They're pushing very quickly"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "to introduce so much of this by the year"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "2030, this magic year 2030 for a lot of"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "reasons. In mass, where these ideas,"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "where are they coming from? There's an"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "organization that's been around since"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "1971, World Economic Forum. We've all"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "heard of the Davos meetings, and that's"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "the WF. And they they meet usually once,"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "sometimes twice a year, which they have"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "every right to do, and talk about their"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "view of what the world should be, and"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "they have every right to do that. What"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "has happened is that they have found"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "that they had very little traction in"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "getting their ideas across because in my"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "opinion they're just bad ideas. And"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "we're we're talking about some of those."}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "So let's put that into a box. There's"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "another box, United Nations. Uh I'm just"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "going to say when I was a kid, the"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "United Nations was the great hope of"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "this planet. And the UN we have now,"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "there are good people there. They do"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "good things and there are some good"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "programs. It's not the same UN. It's"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "been hijacked in many respects. And one"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "of the places where it's been hijacked,"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "we have most of us have heard about"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "something called the UN sustainable"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "development goals for the year 2030."}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "This year comes up a lot. UN SDG 2030."}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "17 beautiful goals. You look at them on"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "on the website. Who wouldn't want them?"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "Um the end of poverty. Who doesn't want"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "that? Food security. Who doesn't want"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "that? The end of disease for children."}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "Who doesn't want that?"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "Now you look at the fine print of how"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "they hope to achieve those goals and"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "this is where it becomes very"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "problematic because the way to achieve"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "those goals is for us to surrender much"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "of our humanness. All right, they're not"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "getting much traction and they have been"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "concerned about that. It's for this"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "reason these two organizations signed a"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "formal agreement in the year 2019 that"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "the WF would implement its ideas through"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "the sustainable development goals of the"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "UN and that's concerning because we are"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "legally bound as a nation to follow some"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "of uh the the principles the World"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "Health Organization is a function of the"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "of the UN for example and we saw this a"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "few years ago of how much how much"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "control they attempted to exert uh on on"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "global populations. So it starts to"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "sound, you know, crazy, science fiction"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "and things like that. It is public"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "knowledge. It simply is not shared in"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "the mainstream. At the end of every"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "Davos meeting, they sum it up in um a"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "few sentences. And Claus Schwab is the"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "the head of was the head. He stepped"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "down and I understand he's being"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "reinstated. I'm not sure if that's true,"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "but in a single sentence, he summed up"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "the goal uh of where they hope to move"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "in these next four and a half years. And"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "the single sentence, and I I'll give you"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "the video clip, and you can you can"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "share that if you'd like. In the single"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "sentence, he says, uh the way to achieve"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "these goals is to merge our natural"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "world"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "with our digital world. And then there's"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "a long pause because he knows the"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "implications of what he's about to say."}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "and he says with our biological"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "identities."}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "So in other words to move to to merge"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "all the resources of the world which"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "have pretty much been done all the"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "animals and the fish and the trees"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "they're they are all tokenized. We know"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "that the digital world is already the"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "digital world. What has yet to happen is"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "we are not part of this digital equation"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "yet that they hope to have done by the"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "year 2030 with massive artificial"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "intelligence regulating the way we live"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "our lives. they say um for the"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "betterment of the planet regulating"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "where we travel, what we eat. America is"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "not wired for that. We're not set up for"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "that. We don't think that way. Some"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "countries do and there are European"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "countries that are all in on this this"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "tech right now. The technology is never"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "right, wrong, good or bad. It simply is"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "tech. It's the thinking underlying the"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "tech and how it's applied in our lives."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "And we've certainly seen that. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "the splitting of the atom could have"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "been used for a whole lot of things. it"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "it was uh it was perfected during"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "wartime. So of course it was applied to"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "to a wartime application as is the atom"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "bomb. Uh the tech any of this tech is is"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "simply a technology and yes we can"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "benefit from all of it outside of our"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "bodies. The science is showing us that"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "all of this technology that we built in"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "the world around us the principles of"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "that technology we mirror in our own"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "biology. And that's a mind-blower for"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "most people because we are taught from a"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "very early age that we are a flawed form"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "of life."}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "That we are a flawed carbon-based form"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "of life by virtue of our existence. And"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "that we need something outside of"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "ourselves to be the best version of"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "ourselves. That makes us victims."}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "And if you're a victim, you need a"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "savior. And the savior is being touted"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "as technology. Now, what we know that's"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "that's the setup right there. young"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "people when they come to our our live"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "events, they worship AI. They worship"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "the computer chips, nobody's ever told"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "them, first of all, how rare and"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "precious human biology really is. And we"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "can talk about that and and why why I"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "believe that is true and why I believe"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "we're worth preserving as a species, but"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "nobody's ever taught them that we not"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "only meet, but we exceed the capacity of"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "many of those technologies. For example,"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "I I just did this with some some young"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "people. Let's look at a silicon chip and"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "a human neuron. All right, silicon chip."}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "Are they fast? Yes. Are they efficient?"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "Yes. Are they scalable? You can only"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "scale a computer chip as far as the"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "physics of the stuff it's made of allow"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "you to scale. So, the atoms that define"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "the silicon will only allow information"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "to move so quickly. So, the scalability"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "is finite."}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "Now, look at a human neuron. What is our"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "potential? The answer is we don't know."}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "Because every time, this is the beauty."}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "Every time we push our human biology,"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "every time we push a brain in a neuron"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "to the very edge of what we believe is"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "this limits, we do what humans do. We"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "morph and we adapt to open a new vista"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "of potential. Sulk Institute did some"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "amazing studies where they compared an"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "entire human brain to a microprocessor."}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "When I I first saw this, I said, \"How"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "can you make that comparison?\" And what"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "they did was they equated the synapse"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "between the neurons to the transistors"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "on the chip. And interestingly, there's"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "about the same number on our high-end"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "chips, the same number of transistors as"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "there are synapses in the average human"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "brain. And what they found is that the"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "human brain is about a 100fold more"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "efficient than those computer chips. And"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "you show that to these young kids, this"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "is the reason I'm saying it. And they"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "said, 'Well, how come we don't know"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "that? You know, nobody tells us that"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "we we're only beginning. We're at the"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "very tip of this precipice. We're only"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "beginning to understand the full"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "potential of our humanness. And we're"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "about to give it away to technology in"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "one generation before we ever even know"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "completely what it means to be human."}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "And the way it's happening are the"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "things that we're talking about now."}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "these organizations believe"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "that through marketing and and it is"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "really good marketing. Uh Northern"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Europe for example,"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "uh Sweden is leading the world with RFID"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "chips in the skin. So here's the"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "commercial. You go on YouTube, you can"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "see the commercial. Here's a guy walking"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "down the street, blue skies, birds are"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "singing, music's playing. He says, \"I've"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "never felt freer in my life.\" He he goes"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "to work, opens his security door with,"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "you know, with with his fingertip"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "because he's got a chip there. Uh goes"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "to his computer, turns it on with a"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "chip, a different chip, goes to the ATM."}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "He's got 15 chips in his body. 15 chips."}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "And he says he's he's never been freer"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "in in his life. Some people are very"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "familiar with this now and some aren't."}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "Uh Elon Musk created a company called"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "Neuralink, which is an amazing company"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "with amazing technology. It it is a"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "computer chip in the brain that allows"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "the person with that chip to communicate"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "with a computer without using a keyboard"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "and no wires. It's essentially Bluetooth"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "like technology."}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "And you say that to a young kid and"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "they'll say, \"Sweet. You mean I can play"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "Grand Theft Auto 3 and never use a"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "keyboard?\" And you say, \"Yeah.\" And"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "they'll say, \"Okay, bring it on.\""}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "Because no one's telling them the the"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "flip side, the functions of the brain"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "that that chip is mimicking. Now those"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "functions begin to atrophy and over time"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "we lose those functions because we are a"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "lose it use it use it or lose it. So but"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "the other side of this and this is what"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "you mentioned a young man or woman who"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "gives their life in service of their"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "country on a battlefield"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "a dirty dusty sandy windblown"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "battlefield on the other side of the"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "planet that comes home missing one or"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "two arms or one or two legs."}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "If that chip in the brain can speak to a"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "prosthetic and allow them to hold their"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "babies in their arms and feed themselves"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "and brush their own teeth, man, what a"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "beautiful thing. What a beautiful thing."}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "I'm all all about that. It's not the"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "oneoff applications."}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "It is the desire to bring our"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "populations"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "uh under a form of control by having"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "technology that can be managed by"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "artificial intelligence. One of the"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "reasons I wrote this book,"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "people ask, you know, what do you hope"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "the reader walks away from this book"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "with? And at at the very least, I would"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "hope they would have a deeper"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "appreciation for their humanness and"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "what it means to be human and maybe even"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "a step further, a sense of pride."}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "There was a lot that I that I hadn't"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "considered with enough weight. And you"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "know, you have this it's human truth 47."}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "Oh, truth 47. So 47 says"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "to live our divinity"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "is to heal the deceptive belief that we"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "are flawed, frail, and powerless beings"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "who need something outside of ourselves"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "to succeed in the world and thrive in"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "life. The reason I liked Human Truth 47"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "is because this resonates pretty deeply"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "with a lot of the work that we do, a lot"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "of the specialists we talk to, a lot of"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "the mystics, a lot of the philosophers"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "and a lot of the theoretical physicists"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "most most of these people have something"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "in common and that is a connection with"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "something greater than themselves,"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "right? And as you said, that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "have to be religious. It doesn't have to"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "be patriarchal. It doesn't have to be"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "any of those things. But, you know, as"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "we talk about,"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "you know, religion is the human attempt"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "to encapsulate and formulate"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "something divine, which yes, can be used"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "as an opiate for the masses. It can be"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "used for war. It can be used for hatred."}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "It can be used for evil. But at its"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "source,"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "this notion which I really, you know, as"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "a scientist who is a believer, I loved"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "that connection that you make. And I"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "think that's something that um"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "really does kind of"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "it it speaks to addiction, right? Oh,"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "yeah. We keep seeking outside of"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "ourselves that to fill that the"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "God-shaped hole is what 12step programs"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "will call it, right?"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "We keep seeking outside of ourselves."}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "And guess what? Self-love, right? Loving"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "kindness, what Sharon Salsberg and"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "Joseph Goldstein like brought over."}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "There's a whole world waiting when and"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "that's why I first asked you about love"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "because love is this sort of higher"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "vibrational frequency, right, that we"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "have the biological ability to resonate"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "at. And the the other connection I made,"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "which I did not realize you were going"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "to make, has to do with coherence."}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "And this is not an advertisement for"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "heart math, but I started using heart"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "math. And I learned that the feeling"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "that you get when you"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "not force yourself, but when you"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "encourage yourself to experience loving"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "kindness, compassion,"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "patience, and my coherence starts to"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "rise. My my body"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "wants to feel a sense of coherence. So"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "it's like everything got linked in when"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "you think of we keep looking outside of"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "ourselves whether it's tech whether it's"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "drugs whether it's religion right"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "whatever guru you want to follow um it"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "all it all really does come back to this"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "notion of like what was I born as a"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "human with consciousness sitting at this"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "table right now what was I born"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "naturally able to tap into"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "once I understood that from and I want"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "to talk about some of the experiments"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "then And the question was, how come I"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "don't know this? There was an experiment"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "that was done in 2022."}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "And this is kind of a mindblower. And"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "for people that weren't alive in 1972,"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "this may not mean a lot, but there was"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "one of the first computer games ever"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "created was a game called Pong."}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "I had Pong."}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "Pong was such a a simple game."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "You would think the Messiah landed in my"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "living room. It was well I I was working"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "I was in the uh I was in the university"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "at the time working in the remote"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "sensing lab at Colorado State University"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "and we had uh computers that were tied"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "to we had a monitor tied to a mainframe"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "you know we didn't have desktop"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "computers in"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "and this thing came out and it was just"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "a very rudimentary it's like a a bad"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "mitten game a tennis game"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "2022 scientists took some human neurons"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "and they put them into a petri dish not"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "attached to a human right all right and"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "they had a special chip that had little"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "ports where they could put the the"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "dendrites from the neurons"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "into the chip. So now now you've got a"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "chip interface. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "Chip, a neuron interface, and they put"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "it into a computer loaded with Pong."}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "All right. Here's here's what happened."}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "They they fired up Pong. Those neurons"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "began playing Pong. And the longer they"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "played, the better they got. They"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "learned from their mistakes. And so now"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "here's here's the scientists. They're up"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "against a little bit of a quandry here."}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "Where do the instructions for Pong live?"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "And so now they're looking, are they in"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "the neurons? Just like I remember when I"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "was a kid, Einstein had died just before"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "I was born."}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "And I got to see part of his brain, the"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "thin section that"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "uh in the University of Kansas to see"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "what made his brain different from"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "everybody else. The answer is it looked"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "pretty much"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "like everybody else's except with one"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "exception. He had a lot more folds."}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "For more surface area. So scientists are"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "they're looking in his brain where's E"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "equals MC square you know"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "all the chicken soup his mother was"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "making him"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "maybe maybe I don't know so they were"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "doing the same thing with these neurons"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "how the neurons know how to play pong"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "this is where science will either have"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "to embrace"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "allow their discoveries to lead to the"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "story they tell or what they're doing"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "now is they're trying to force those"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "discoveries to fit into pre-existing"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "ideas that now are obsolete."}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "What the science,"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "traditional science is trying to say is"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "that we're it. They're saying that"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "consciousness is in the cells."}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "Consciousness is in the brain. What this"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "experiment showed was those neurons are"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "literally biological antenna. They're"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "tuned to something that is not inside"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "the neuron. They're tuned to a place in"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "the field. And we now know July 4th,"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "2012, this superc conducting super"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "collider in CERN announced that there is"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "a field underlying all existence called"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "the Higs Higs field. Peter Higs"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "predicted he got to to see his"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "prediction come true."}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "There is a field and it's no longer a"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "question. The question is what is our"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "relationship to that field? What does it"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "mean? The journal of uh complimentary"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "and alternative medicine and I love this"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "quote. I'm going I didn't know we'd do"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "this, but I'm going to do it from"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "memory. It said there's compelling"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "evidence to suggest that the human heart"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "is coupled to a field of energy that is"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "not limited by the laws of physics."}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "That means there's a part of us that is"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "designed to transcend the limits of time"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "and space. That's deep intuition. That's"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "that's how a mother in Australia, I"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "talked about this in the book, she knows"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "when her son in Afghanistan is in"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "trouble before his commanding officer"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "does"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "because she intuitively picked this up."}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "There has to be a communication. Now,"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "you know, we talk about it anecdotally,"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "but what is that information flowing"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "through? It's throwing through that that"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "field,"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "right? And these Yeah."}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "Yeah. We had Thomas Campbell on and he's"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "a, you know, physicist who explained the"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "whole thing very plainly, very clear to"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "him. Oh, it's a field and there's a"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "field of consciousness. And we said,"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "\"What about the aosic records?\" He's"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "like, \"Sure, call it that.\""}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "Well, there's call it the field uh the"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "the plunk field, the zero point field,"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "the matrix, the divine matrix. The the"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "point is that"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "it's only through this biological"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "mechanism that we attune to a part of"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "ourselves that doesn't live in this"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "physical body. And when we begin to"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "replace our physical body with"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "synthetics, we lose the ability to"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "connect with that part of ourselves. We"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "begin the the goal of the transhuman"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "movement ultimately is to replace the"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "entire body with synthetics. And and you"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "you named it, you said for immortality"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "when the science is showing number one,"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "every organ in the human body has the"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "ability to to stop the damage, to heal"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "what's been done, and to repair itself."}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "Even the organs we were told could not"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "brain tissue, spinal cord tissue, heart"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "tissue, uh all under there's a catch."}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "They have to be given the right"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "environment is I think we all sense"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "we're barreling down the road towards"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "some kind of convergence point."}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "I think everyone feels it. It's like a"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "rubber band has been stretched so far."}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "Something's got to give. I mean, I"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "believe we're worth preserving. I'm"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "advocating strongly for our humanness. I"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "think we all have that divinity. We all"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "have that potential. I've spent my"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "lifetime"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "healing the hurt and the trauma that I"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "experienced early in life as a path. Uh"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "and I'm a student. I'm still learning."}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "Uh I think the question is I ask myself,"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "do I love myself enough to open the door"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "to accepting the truth of my own"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "divinity and what can I do to make that"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "a little easier for the next and a"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "little easier for the next? And that's"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "the way it seems to work. Somebody has"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "to do these things first. Other people"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "were doing it because somebody had to do"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "it first and they become the living"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "bridge for those that want to do it and"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "it becomes easier for the next. And I"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "think we do that for one another. We're"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "doing it for one another. And and I want"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "to thank you for your trust because the"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "truth is you didn't know what we were"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "going to do today,"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "for trusting with your community and for"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "the being the hub of the community that"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "you're creating."}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "Thank you. because I think it's really"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "important to have honest conversations"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "that uh and I I don't think really you"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "and I see things all that differently"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "when we're looking at we're scientists"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "you look at data and that data it's the"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "way we interpret the data you know but"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "there are a lot of stories out there"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "that want us to see the data in a"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "certain way and I think the hardest"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "thing for me has been to to cross the"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "traditional boundaries that have"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "separated the sciences and in the way I"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "was taught in the past to weave that"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "knowledge into a wisdom that makes more"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "sense and allows us to apply apply it in"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "the lives uh of our friends and in the"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "world that we have today. So thank you"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "for that and thank you for the"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "conversation."}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "Um the book is pure human the hidden"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "truth of our divinity power and destiny."}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "What does your hair do on the weekends?"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "You know they told me"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "did you put a baseball cap on?"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "They told me when I was in my 40s if I"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "could keep it through 40s it' be okay."}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "And then they said the same thing in 50s"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "and they said the same thing in 60s and"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "now they said the same thing in 70s."}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "Do this all weekend"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "in 70s. I'm just happy it's there."}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "Thank you so much Greg Braden. Really"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "pleasure to talk to you."}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "Thank you. It's been pleasure."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Hello everyone, Greg Braden here. I want"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "to begin by thanking you for sharing a"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "little bit of your day with me today"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "through through this media, through this"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "video. You know, for over 30 years, I've"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "shared with you new discoveries, new"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "discoveries based on science through my"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "eyes as a scientist as I as I run across"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "these discoveries in the obscure"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "peer-reviewed journals that uh are often"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "very technical in nature. Discoveries"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "that are relegated to these journals and"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "specific segments of the scientific"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "population, discoveries that you"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "typically will not see in the"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "mainstream. You don't see this stuff in"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "mainstream classrooms and textbooks."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "Many of the discoveries are so new. I"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "have medical students and medical"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "doctors in my seminars asking me why"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "don't we see this information in the"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "universities. Why don't we know about"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "these discoveries? And the reason the"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "answer is because it often takes years"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "for the discoveries to trickle down from"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "the research labs and the research"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "papers into the application of uh of"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "everyday life of every everyday"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "medicine. It can take 6 8 10 years for"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "this to happen. And that's why I want to"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "share this information with you today."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "Because for the 30 years plus years, 30"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "plus years that I've offered this"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "content in my workshops and seminars and"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "books and tapes and audios and videos"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "and television programs and interviews"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "and and now podcasts, I've often"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "referenced a discovery that was made in"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "1991 regarding the human heart. this"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "discovery that I often embed into those"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "larger programs. I want to isolate it"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "and bring it to you right now because I"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "think it's something that you can"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "benefit from right now. I say that"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "because I benefit from it every single"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "day of my life and I have for over 30"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "years. This is the discovery that was"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "made in 1991, published in 1994."}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "The discovery of approximately 40,000"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "specialized cells in the human heart."}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "They're called sensory neurites. They're"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "essentially brain-like cells, but"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "they're not in the cranial brain. Now,"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "when I say they were discovered in 1991,"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "they were always there. It's perhaps"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "more accurate to say they were"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "recognized in 1991, but they've been"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "with us from the time that we emerged as"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "anatomically modern humans onto this"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "planet. We know this because when we"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "compare our genome today, the DNA in our"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "bodies with the DNA that we can now"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "extract from the fossilized remains of"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "our ancient ancestors, what we find is"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "that the genome hasn't changed. That we"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "we've had these capabilities from the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "time that we emerged on this planet. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "this ability that I'm going to share"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "with you appears to be fundamental to"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "our existence. We're simply now"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "awakening and growing in to the"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "capability uh of its existence and and"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "what it can mean in our lives. All"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "right. So, the discovery 1991, 40,000"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "specialized cells in the human heart"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "forming a neural network that thinks,"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "feels, remembers independently of the"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "cranial brain. Now, right there, this is"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "this is so important because it means"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "every experience that we have in life is"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "registered in two places. In our cranial"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "brain and in the neural network in our"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "heart. If they're good experiences, no"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "worries. Often we have experienced"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "trauma in our lives. And we we each"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "interpret that trauma a little bit"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "differently. An experience that may"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "traumatize one person may not be"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "interpreted as trauma to another person."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "And there are some experiences that are"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "so painful universally they are our"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "traumatic experiences. And when we go to"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "heal those experiences through"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "counseling and through therapy, often"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "the counseling and therapy addresses the"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "cranial memories and that helps and"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "that's important. But often we feel like"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "something's missing. And when we feel"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "that what I'm saying saying to you, what"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "I'm sharing with you may be the answer"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "as to why that is because the cranial"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "therapies may not address the therapies"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "or the the memories that that we hold in"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "our heart. So this is a very very"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "powerful powerful understanding that we"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "have two independent neural networks."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Here's where it gets really interesting"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "and this is going to lead directly into"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "what I'm going to share with you in just"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "a few moments. You and I are the only"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "form of life that we know of today that"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "has the ability to self-regulate our"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "biology in very precise ways. We are"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "such advanced, such highly sophisticated"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "biological"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "systems, uh what is often called soft"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "technology. We're not talking about"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "computer chips and wires and and"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "chemicals. We're talking about neurons"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "and cell membranes and and crystal and"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "bone functioning in our bodies in in"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "very very powerful and profound ways"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "that we can self-regulate"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "through thought, feeling, emotion,"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "belief, breath, focus. And if those all"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "sound familiar to you, they happen to be"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "uh the principles preserved in some of"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "our most ancient and cherished"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "indigenous and spiritual traditions. And"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "I I think this is why they were"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "preserved in the ways that they have"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "been because they hold such a powerful"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "potential in our bodies. Science is only"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "beginning to to understand uh recognize"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "and embrace this potential. So the"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "ability to harmonize the heart and the"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "brain, the ability to harmonize the"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "cranial network with the network in the"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "heart. This neural network, this is what"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "is available to you and to me in a way"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "that's available to no other form of"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "life consciously at will and on demand."}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "You and I are the only form of life that"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "we can sit down in a chair like this in"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "a moment in time or wherever you are and"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "say in this moment I choose I choose to"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "harmonize the neural network in my heart"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "and my brain. two separate organs, but"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "we harmonize them into one potent system"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "in our bodies. And once we do that, we"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "open the door to a vast array of"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "applications that I talk about in all"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "the work that I do, the books, the"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "tapes, the the seminars, the workshops."}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "I don't want to do that today. What I"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "want today, what I want right now is I I"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "want you to have the the access to this"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "technique because it is one of the most"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "profound techniques to relieve stress"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "very very quickly. You and I are"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "stressed every day of our lives through"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "the uncertainty of what lies ahead, the"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "uncertainty of of finances, of jobs, of"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "careers, of relationships, of where to"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "live, how to live, what's happening to"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "our country, whatever country you live"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "on. what's happening to the planet"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "because we all live on this planet. That"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "uncertainty"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "uh triggers a level of stress, a chronic"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "level of stress that depletes the the"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "biology. It depletes nutrients and it"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "compromises our immune system. If you"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "ever needed a strong immune system, man,"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "I can't think of a of a better time than"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "right now in the midst of a global"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "pandemic. However you think about that"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "pandemic, it is taxing your immune"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "system through stress right now. So,"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "let's get into this. I I want to just"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "give you a little context so that you"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "know this is not a metaphor. This isn't"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "makebelieve. I want you to see what"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "you're accessing and then let's go"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "through this exercise together. So, the"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "first thing that I'd like to share with"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "you is is an image of precisely what it"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "is that we're talking about and what"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "we're going to be dealing with, what"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "we're going to be accessing within our"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "hearts. What you're seeing on the screen"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "are called intrinsic cardiac neurons."}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "These are the neurons that we have"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "access to in our heart that also can"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "communicate with our brain through"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "principles of self-regulation that we're"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "we're actually going to do together here"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "in just a few moments. But I want you to"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "see this so that you know that we're not"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "talking about a metaphor or a"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "makebelieve or a wishful concept. You"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "know, so often in literature and in our"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "history when we talk about the heart,"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "it's from a very lofty uh philosophical"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "perspective and and it's good and the"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "heart fulfills those lofty philosophical"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "ideals. But what I'm talking to you"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "about right now is rock solid science."}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "This is peer-reviewed science. These are"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "the neurons located in the heart that"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "form the neural network. The image that"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "you're seeing now, all of those little"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "blue dots illustrate where this neural"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "network is. And this begins to tell the"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "whole story. Look, look at where this"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "neural network is. It's not at the"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "bottom of the heart. It's at the top"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "near the places number one where the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "valves open and close to send the blood"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "into our bodies. And number two, where"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "the arteries and the vessels enter uh"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "the heart so that the blood can come"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "into the heart or leave the body. These"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "neurons are around those specific"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "places. Now the way that the valves open"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "and close send a pressure wave through"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "the blood that is a language unto"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "itself. Your heart speaks a language to"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "your body through the pressure wave that"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "is created every time the the heart"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "beats and that pressure wave tells the"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "body it sends a signal and it tells the"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "body what kind of chemistry to release"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "into the body whether it's a stressful"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "chemistry or if if you're feeling safe."}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "It's a different it's a healing and"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "rejuvenating chemistry or uh it it tells"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "the body what kinds of hormones need to"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "be addressed and how to address those"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "all from the way that the valve is"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "opening and closing. And that valve"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "opening and closing is largely regulated"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "through these neurons. And the neurons"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "are responding to you and the way that"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "you feel about yourself, about your"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "relationship to the world. If you feel"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "safe, if you feel threatened, if you"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "feel a sense of well-being, or if you"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "feel a sense of high anxiety, chronic"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "anxiety with no way to reconcile that"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "anxiety. So that is one function of"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "these these sensory neurites near the"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "valves. They're doing the same thing"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "near the arteries. the blood that"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "enters, the blood that leaves, these are"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "regulating blood pressure uh and the way"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "that blood uh is is flowing in the body."}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "You and I live in a stressful world. Our"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "world is changing as as I I mentioned"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "earlier and we're not being giving given"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "any way to reconcile the stress. We're"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "not given any sense of where the change"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "is leading. All we know is that what we"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "used to know in the past is gone. And"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "we're in the middle of some event that"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "is changing our families, our"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "communities, our society, our nations."}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "It's changing the way we work. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "changed the way we think about money,"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "about security, all of that. But we're"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "not really being given a way to"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "reconcile that so that we have relief"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "from the stress. That's why I want to"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "share this technique with you because"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "you and I are going to self-regulate our"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "body to give our bodies relief from the"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "stress within even though nothing may"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "have changed in the world around us to"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "give us that relief. This is a very very"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "high form of mastery when you can find"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "relief from a stressful world even"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "though the stressful world is still out"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "there. It's a very very high form of"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "mastery. So, I I want you to see that"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "we're dealing with something that is"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "real. New scanning technologies now make"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "this even more real. What you're going"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "to see is a three-dimensional scan of"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "the human heart where this neural"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "network resides. So, what you're seeing"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "right now, this is this is the scan. I"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "love this technology. Uh, and the yellow"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "that you see near the top of the heart,"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "this is where the neural networks or the"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "neural network of the sensory neurites"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "resides. I'm going to highlight it for"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "you right there. You can see it. So, uh,"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "this is important because once you see"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "this, you cannot unsee it. Once you see"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "this, you have a sense that you're"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "dealing with something real and that you"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "are communicating with a a physical part"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "of your body that simply is not"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "acknowledged in the mainstream."}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "typically that that's beginning to"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "change, but most uh most high school and"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "college techbook textbooks are are not"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "talking about this this neural network"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "in the way that we are. So now that you"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "know now that you know what we're"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "dealing with, how do we use it? How is"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "it applied? You are the only form of"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "life, you and I, we're in this together."}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "We are the only form of life with the"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "ability to consciously self-regulate the"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "neurons in the heart and how they"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "communicate with the neurons in the"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "brain. We are the only form of life that"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "can take the neural network of the heart"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "and the brain, two separate organs, but"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "harmonize this neural network into a"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "single potent system in our bodies. And"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "this is where our highest levels of"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "mastery begin. Because once we create"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "this harmonized state, it opens the door"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "to a plethora a vast array of potentials"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "and possibilities that are the subject"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "of my books and tapes and videos and"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "audios and workshops beyond the scope of"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "what I'm going to talk about here. Right"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "here, I just want you to have the"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "technique so that you can relieve the"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "stress at least once a day, maybe"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "multiple days or multiple times through"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "throughout your day. So what we're"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "talking about visually, two organs, the"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "heart and the brain. But look at this,"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "becoming a single system by sending the"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "correct signal from the heart in the"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "brain, establishing a link, a very low"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "frequency link, 0.1 hertz, really really"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "low frequency. When we can set up a a"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "relationship, send a signal between our"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "heart and our brain of 0.1 hertz, we"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "establish this harmony. All right? You"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "know, I just I I just have to do this"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "because I am a geologist and the"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "geologist to me wants you to know why"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "0.1 hertz is so important. You know, why"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "isn't it why isn't some other why isn't"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "it A440 for the musicians? I'm a"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "musician. You know, it's one of the"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "questions I asked. Why not A440 or why"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "not some other frequency?"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "0.1 hertz is a very very important"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "frequency on this planet. So, what"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "you're seeing is a cross-section of the"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "magnetic fields of the Earth. And when"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "we look at what are called the magnetic"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "field line resonance frequencies, I"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "don't want to get really technical, but"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "I want you to see that this is this is"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "real. What you're seeing is a a graph of"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "these field line resonant frequencies."}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "The first spike where the red arrow is,"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "the frequency, it's not zero, it's not"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "0.2. Look at this. It's 0.1. That first"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "spike is the primary field line"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "resonance frequency of the planet we"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "live on. What that means is that when we"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "harmonize our heart and our brain to"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "that frequency, not only are we"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "harmonizing the systems within us, we"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "are harmonizing our system to the bigger"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "system of the planet we live on. Wow."}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "That is where your healing begins. When"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "you bring your heart and your brain and"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "your biological systems and your organs"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "and your cells and your glands into"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "alignment with the fundamental frequency"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "of the system of our planet, that is"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "where your healing begins. This is where"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "you find your power. Now, if we lived on"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "another planet, someone asked me once"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "said, \"Yeah, it would probably be a"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "different frequency.\" But right now,"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "we're on Earth and 0.1 hertz is the"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "frequency that we want to to harmonize"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "to. So, so when we harmonize our body,"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "and this is a I love this image. Not"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "only are we harmonizing the systems"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "within us, we're harmonizing ourselves"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "to the planet we live upon."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "In a very real sense, 0.1"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "hertz is love to your body. When you"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "create this harmony between your heart"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "and your brain and line your systems,"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "you are loving yourself in a language"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "that your body, your biology recognizes"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "and that love is now extending. You're"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "harmonizing yourself. You are loving"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "mother earth. This is a very very"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "powerful technique. Three very basic"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "steps that we're going to use. I'm going"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "to talk you through them again with"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "permission from the Institute of Heart"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "Math. their science parallels so many of"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "the traditions that I've found in"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "studying and living with indigenous"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "peoples today uh as well as in the"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "literature of the ancient and the the"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "forgotten peoples of our past that"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "recorded the techniques of how they"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "achieve these high levels of harmony"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "because when you do this this is when"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "you relieve the stress. This is when you"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "enhance your immune response. This is"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "when you trigger the longevity enzymes"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "that allow for regeneration,"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "rejuvenation, and healing and so much"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "more we talk about in the other"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "programs. So, let's do this together."}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "I'm going to invite you to share this"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "with me."}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "And please do this only if you're in a"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "place that's safe. Do not do this if you"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "are driving any kind of machine or"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "operating any heavy machinery. Please do"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "not do this. Find a place that is safe"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "where you can allow your uh your focus"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "100%."}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "To move to yourself without having being"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "worried about what's happening in the"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "world around you. So, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "shift our focus from our mind to our"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "heart. We're going to slow our breathing"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "and we're going to create a very"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "specific feeling. And I'm going to talk"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "you through each of these right now. So,"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "you won't need any notes or pencil and"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "paper. Let's just do this together. If"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "you have not already done so,"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "I'm going to invite you to close your"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "eyes"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "and allow your awareness"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "to move from the world around you to the"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "world within you. And I'm going to do"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "the same thing right here. Allow your"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "awareness to move from your outer world"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "to your inner world."}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "And the first step is to shift your"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "focus"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "from your thinking mind into your"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "feeling heart. One of the ways that"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "scientists have found to help us achieve"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "this is exactly what our indigenous"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "ancestors and ancient traditions invite"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "us to do. And that is to simply touch"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "your heart in a way that's comfortable"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "for you with a finger or two fingers or"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "a full hand or an open palm."}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "whatever is comfortable for you."}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "And allow your awareness to go to the"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "place where you feel that sensation,"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "where you feel that touch."}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "This is the first step."}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "And everything we do for the next two"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "steps"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "will reflect this focus. It will all"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "happen as if the focus is coming from"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "the heart. It's all about the heart."}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "Second step, I'm going to invite you to"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "slow your breathing just a little bit"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "slower than you would typically breathe."}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "And I know that's different for"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "everyone. So, the key is to exhale for a"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "period of time that is longer than the"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "inhale."}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "Exhale for a period of time longer than"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "the inhale. The reason for this is"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "because this is a language to the vagus"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "nerve and the parasympathetic nervous"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "system telling your body that you are"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "safe. So for ease, I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "recommend maybe five seconds on the"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "inhale and 8 seconds on the release. And"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "you can tailor this to whatever it is"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "that you need to do. With your awareness"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "in your heart, I invite you to breathe"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "in for 5 seconds with me. begin"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "and release for eight."}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "And just feel that shift in your body."}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "Inhale again on five seconds."}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "Release for eight."}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "Let's do this again. 5 seconds. Inhale."}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "Release."}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "to the best of your ability. If you can"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "continue to breathe just about that pace"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "or whatever pace works for you,"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "breathing"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "in slower than you would typically"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "breathe and releasing, allowing your"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "release time to be longer than the"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "inhale."}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "The second step, the third step is where"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "we send this very powerful signal from"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "our heart to our brain. 0.1 hertz."}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "What scientists have found is that when"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "we can feel the feelings of well-being,"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "uh, of gratitude, appreciation, care,"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "compassion, positive, lifeaffffirming"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "feelings. These are the kinds of"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "heart-based feelings that establish this"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "low frequency link to the human brain."}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "0.1 hertz is the optimum frequency"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "for convenience. Just to make this easy"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "and universal for all of us, I think"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "it's probably easy for all of us to feel"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "gratitude."}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "Whatever is happening in the world, we"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "all know it could be worse. It could be"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "worse in our lives. I'm deeply grateful"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "for the opportunity to be with you here"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "in this way today."}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "sharing a part of our days"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "by remembering this primal, this ancient"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "and primal, uniquely human experience to"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "give oursel healing and life no matter"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "what's happening in the world around us."}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "So, I'm going to invite you with me to"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "the best of your ability. Let's feel"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "that feeling of gratitude."}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "And I'm going to give you a minute to do"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "this."}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "uh it will seem like longer but if we"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "can do this for one minute and then"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "we'll come back and uh and talk about"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "this experience. Okay."}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "So to the best of your ability continue"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "to breathe as if your breath is coming"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "from your heart slowing that breath and"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "while you are slowing the breath feel"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "that gratitude just breathe in and"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "release those feelings of gratitude with"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "me begin."}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "And you might actually in your mind say,"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "\"Thank you. Thank you"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "for my life."}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "Thank you for the life and the safety of"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "my friends and my loved ones.\" Those are"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "all things that we could be deeply"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "grateful for right now."}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "Just feel those waves of gratitude as"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "they ripple through your body from your"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "heart."}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "I'm doing the same thing."}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "Remember"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "to breathe."}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "It's a little bit slower than usual."}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "Okay. With one more breath, I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "invite you to inhale."}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "And as you release that breath, slowly"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "begin to open your eyes. Become present"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "in the space that you've created for"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "yourself. I'm doing the same thing right"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "Please do not be deceived by the"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "simplicity of this technique."}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "This technique has been with us"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "in our memory and our bodies from the"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "time that we emerged"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "200,000 years ago. Because this"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "technique, this state of being, this"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "state of consciousness is the state that"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "we find ourselves in when we are born"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "into this world. And young people are in"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "this harmonized state until they're"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "conditioned out of it early in life. So"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "if it feels familiar to you, this may"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "help to understand why it feels"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "familiar."}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "As I mentioned, this technique is just"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "the beginning. From this harmony, there"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "are so many things that we can launch"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "into"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "uh from this this state of optimized"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "biology. This is the place where we we"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "would do our uh deep states of"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "intuition. We can enter to from here. If"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "we're going to use affirmations, you"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "would use them from this place. If you"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "want to optimize your body before yoga,"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "before uh physical performance, before"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "martial arts, before sports, this is the"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "place where you would do this. If you"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "want to optimize your body before a"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "performance of of music, this is the"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "place that you would begin and then go"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "forward to do these things. The"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "scientists rec recommend uh optimizing"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "this this technique uh for about 3"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "minutes uh at least 3 minutes. 3 minutes"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "of this technique"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "sends uh a signal to our body begins a"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "cascade of chemical experiences that"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "last up to six hours where our stress"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "levels decrease. The levels of cortisol"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "decreases while the DHEA the precursor"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "to every hormone in our body increases"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "over 100% just from 3 minutes of doing"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "this. You awaken the longevity enzymes."}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "You strengthen your immune system just"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "from 3 minutes of doing this because"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "you've removed the stress that depletes"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "the immune system. So there's so much"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "more that we could do from here. Truly,"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "heartb brain harmony is just the"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "beginning that you now have a tool that"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "you can use every day in your life, at"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "least once a day in your life to give"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "your body relief."}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "What could be any more simple than"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "breathing the breath of life at a slower"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "pace telling your body that you are safe"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "regardless of what's happening in the"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "world around you. You're saying in this"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "place in my domain I am safe and using"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "the neurallinginguistic"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "properties of the words and your"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "experience of what you associate with"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "that words to replace the anxiety in"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "your body. You can do this. If you're"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "feeling fear, what is it you'd like to"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "replace that fear with? If you're"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "feeling hurt because of loss, we are all"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "losing something. We're losing a way of"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "life. We're losing loved ones. We're"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "losing families. We're losing"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "relationships. People are losing"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "marriages. What would you like to"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "replace the feeling of loss with? And"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "this is a very, very simple technique."}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "breath,"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "language, feeling focused in the neurons"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "of the heart. And this simple technique"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "was the the one that I felt would have"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "the most application for the most number"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "of people. It's not linked to"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "meditation. It's not linked to a"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "religion. It is simply you honoring the"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "way your body works through breath and"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "word associations."}]

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And the fact that"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "although we don't understand fully how"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "it has come to pass, life is no"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "accident. There's an intentionality"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "underlying our existence and that we are"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "given rare precious abilities given to"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "no other form of life. Empathy,"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "intuition, access to the subconscious,"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "direct access to self-healing. We begin"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "to instill those kinds of values, the"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "world changes. People all over the world"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "are asking me about education in one"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "form or another. And you know, it means"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "different things to different people."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "Sometimes they're asking for themselves,"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "sometimes they're asking for their"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "children. I'm passionate about this"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "topic. And that's that's why I do want"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "to to address it today because"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "ultimately"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "education is the key to solving every"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "problem that I've mentioned in Missing"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "Links and every problem we could ever"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "have in our lives."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "The theme of missing links ultimately"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "was the answer to a question that I"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "asked early in the program. Who are we?"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "Who am I as an individual? Who are we"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "collectively?"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "Our answer to that question is the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "result of our education. It's what we"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "have been taught to believe and accept"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "about ourselves. The teaching sometimes"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "happens in schools, but interestingly, a"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "lot of it happens when we're nowhere"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "near an academic situation. It comes"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "from our families, from our friends,"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "from our neighbors, from our society,"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "from our churches, our synagogues, our"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "religious teachings. And a lot of this"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "education is subconscious. It comes from"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "the subtle cues that we pick up from"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "other people and the way they respond to"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "their life's challenges. What happens"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "when they're diagnosed with a a disease?"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "Uh how do they go about healing that?"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "What happens when a family begins to"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "break down? How do you go about healing"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "that? These subtle cues all come to play"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "when we answer this question. Who am I?"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "And and who are we? So the reason I"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "think this is so important is because we"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "have been steeped in a story. You and I,"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "we're part of a population. We're part"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "of a global family. We've been steeped"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "in a story for over 300 years. A"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "scientific story that we now know is not"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "true that tells us that we are based in"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "separation and that competition and"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "conflict is the fundamental rule of"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "nature and that that's the way that we"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "should live our lives and that's the way"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "we should go about solving our problems."}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "Now, I'm not saying we talk about this"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "at the breakfast table every morning or"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "that it's it's a common thing to talk"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "about the the the drinking fountain in"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "the office during a break at work, but"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "it's it is subconscious. And if if you"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "think that this is not a part of your"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "life, some of my most spiritual friends,"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "people that say they're the most"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "spiritual people on the planet, and I"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "say, \"Oh, yeah. Tell me about this.\""}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "When you are in the privacy of your own"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "home with those that know you the best"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "in the most intimate moments of your"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "life and somebody pushes your button,"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "how do you respond? Do you respond in a"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "loving, compassionate manner? Or when"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "that button is pushed, do you lash out"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "with hurtful words and hurtful tactics"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "in primal survival? Because that's how"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "deeply these ideas of competition and"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "conflict have been programmed into us."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "And when people are honest with me, they"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "say, \"My god, I never thought about that"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "way.\" But they they say, \"Yes, when when"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "I'm up against the wall, uh, I go to the"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "lowest common denominator and I say"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "hurtful things. I'm often sorry about"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "afterwards.\" Today, it even happens when"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "we're writing emails and texts. We push"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "that button and we're angry. We say, \"Oh"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "man, I wish I hadn't sent that.\" So, you"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "know, maybe these are are silly"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "examples, but they they go they speak to"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "the point of how deeply this"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "conditioning runs. So the reason I'm so"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "passionate about this is that we have an"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "opportunity now to redefine the way we"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "think of ourselves and it's important"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "for our young generation."}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "Any solution that we apply to any of the"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "problems that I've talked about missing"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "links or that you're having in your life"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "right now. Any solution is only a"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "band-aid. It can only be temporary until"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "we shift the fundamental thinking of how"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "we see ourselves, how we see life in"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "general, and how we see our relationship"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "to the world. So many people say, well,"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "you know, this is an interesting"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "philosophical question. When I tell you"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "it goes way beyond philosophy, it it"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "touches every moment of our lives. For"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "example, let me just talk about this."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "Those of you that have young people, you"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "have young people in school right now."}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "They are exposed to technology that you"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "and I didn't have, the internet and"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "texting and emails. They're exposed to"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "bullying, a new phenomenon, cyber"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "bullying that's happening right now"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "where their peers will say things to"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "them or take pictures of them or make"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "fun of them in ways that we used to do"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "just verbally in the hallway to one"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "another. And now you spread it across"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "the internet and everyone is seeing it."}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "to a young person who has been steeped"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "in the current ideas of separation,"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "competition, conflict, and the idea that"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "life itself has very little value. That"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "that life is the result of this accident"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "of evolution. There's no intentionality"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "involved. To a young person like that,"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "that criticism, they take it to heart"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "and they believe what they're told. on"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "the one hand. On the other hand, a young"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "person who has been blessed to be in a"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "family that has conditioned them uh and"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "taught them rock solid values about how"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "precious life is, about how powerful"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "they are, about how connected they are"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "to themselves, to other people, to"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "nature, to their own bodies. When they"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "hear those criticisms, it rolls off of"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "them because it doesn't have the same"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "meaning. the way that we think about"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "life itself. When we try to save a life"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "and when we try to take a life, I mean,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "this comes down to war. When does a"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "nation march across the boundaries, the"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "borders of another nation with their"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "armies and when do we invade the homes"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "of other people? When does a corporation"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "determine how much is enough toxic waste"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "to dump into the ocean or how much"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "radiation do we pump into the"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "atmosphere? as different as they are"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "from one another, every one of these"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "things that I'm talking about, it all"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "comes back to this fundamental question,"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "who am I? Who are we? Because when we"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "truly embrace the deepest truths of our"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "existence, the ways that we have lived"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "our lives and treated one another in the"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "past simply make no sense. and they have"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "no context for that new information and"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "the way that it is showing us about our"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "value and our relationship to life. So,"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "we have this opportunity right now. This"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "is why I'm passionate about education."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "Band-Aids are good and we need some"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "band-aids to to address many of the"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "problems we have in the world today."}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "Ultimately, we have this opportunity in"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "a time where the globe is moving toward"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "war and war is being glamorized and made"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "to look fun like a video game on"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "television and young people are enticed"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "by that. We have this opportunity"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "to raise an entire generation of young"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "people based on these new deep well"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "they're ancient but they're newly"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "recognized deep truths and instill"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "within them the value of life their own"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "personal selfworth. How precious life is"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "and the fact that although we don't"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "understand fully how it has come to pass"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "life is no accident. There's an"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "intentionality underlying our existence"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "and that we are given rare precious"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "abilities given to no other form of"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "life. Empathy, intuition, access to the"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "subconscious, direct access to"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "self-healing, the opportunity to create"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "resilience to life and much much more."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "All of that belongs to no other form of"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "life. We instill these values in a young"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "person and they say, \"My God, I'm a"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "powerful being and I'm responsible with"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "my power and I am part of the world that"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "I see. I'm not separate from it. And I"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "can make this a better world through the"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "way that I make myself. We begin to"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "instill those kinds of values, the world"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "changes. That's not a band-aid. That is"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "a sea change. That is a fundamental"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "shift in thinking. We've never seen this"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "before. And this is the opportunity we"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "have now. The sweet spot of where we"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "are. The technology is available to"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "spread the word. Now, we have the"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "opportunity to bring honest, truthful,"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "factual information, rock solid science"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "that tells us everything I'm saying to"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "you right now that tells us how true"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "these things are in our lives. Be honest"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "with our young people. Share with them"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "what we found to be true. And allow"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "them, they're very smart. Allow them to"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "reflect on what that means in their own"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "lives, to live their own truths. That's"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "where we see the world change."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Without a doubt, every event that I do"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "in a live public forum, every time I do"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "an online broadcast, a webinar, an"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "interactive session with people anywhere"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "in the world, not just in the United"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "States, not just in in the Western"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "world, Asia, Africa, South America,"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "Australia, everywhere, people say,"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "\"Where do we get our information? Where"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "do we get our news? What's a good source"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "of of news and information?\""}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "That's a good question. Uh, and the"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "answer that I give is often not the"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "answer that people are expecting because"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "they're expecting me to give them an"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "internet URL, a link or or a station to"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "dial. The truth is that the internet is"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "a double-edged sword. I worked in the"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "industry when it was being developed at"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "Cisco Systems, and we talked about this"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "a lot. When we open up an avenue, a"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "highway, a super highway that allows"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "information to be shared on the one"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "hand, it means just that information can"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "be shared from anyone. And you all know"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "there's a lot of stuff out there. We see"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "it and it shows up in our inbox every"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "day. Some of it's true, some of it's"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "partially true, some of it's what my"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "friends call halfbaked truth, and some"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "of it uh is absolutely not true at all."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "How do we discern that? It takes a lot"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "of work. Due diligence is what I have to"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "say. You've got to seek out the"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "information that you're going to apply"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "in your life and that makes makes your"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "discoveries meaningful to you in your"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "life. And that means going to multiple"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "sources and looking at what's called"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "peerreed science. And I talked about"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "this a little bit in missing length. So"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "let me just just mention it here because"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "anyone can publish anything on the"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "internet. That is the reason it becomes"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "especially important to look at the"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "credibility. Where does that information"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "come from? It's tricky. So we have to be"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "really careful and we when we see where"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "this information comes from. Peer"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "reviewed science on the other hand"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "is science where an individual or a"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "group of individuals will come together."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "They will write a paper in a a very"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "specific format. They'll have an"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "abstract. They'll have uh a theory, a"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "hypothesis. They'll have their methods"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "of research. They'll have some"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "conclusions. They'll have references."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "They will have circulated that within"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "their peer group, hence the term"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "peer-reviewed science. And it can take"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "years. It can take six, seven, eight"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "years for a paper to move through that"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "peerreview process where other"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "scientists will look at it and they'll"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "say, \"Well, this is right on.\" And"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "they'll say, \"This is totally wrong.\""}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "And they'll shoot holes in it so that"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "the people that wrote the paper can go"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "back and research and amend what it is"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "that doesn't work. And then they publish"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "in a journal like the journal Nature"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "that you can find, you know, in your"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "airport bookstore or the journal"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "Science. Very accessible. They're not"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "technical, but they are peer-reviewed"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "scientific papers. When you see those"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "doesn't guarantee they're 100%, but it"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "says the odds are really good that what"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "you're seeing is what is known to be"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "true in that moment in time. It might"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "change with the next research paper,"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "that moment in time. So, I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "invite you look at the source of where"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "your information comes from. see if they"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "are credible, see if they are"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "peer-reviewed, uh, and see if it's a"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "circular reference or not, or maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "coming from a lot of different places."}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "So this is important because we form our"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "opinions,"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "we solve our problems, we teach our"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "children, we live our lives, we elect"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "the representatives that uh that"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "implement the laws and the policies that"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "govern our lives based on the way we"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "answer the question, who are we and the"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "way we think about ourselves. So all of"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "a sudden where we get our information,"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "it's more than just an interesting topic"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "of conversation. It's vital for us uh"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "and the way we live our lives."}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "When we talk about education, the"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "academic side is very obvious. But I"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "think what's even more fundamental is"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "parenting because this is really where"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "education begins with our young people"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "before they are ever exposed to a formal"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "education with other other children"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "their age. Uh they begin to learn from"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "us. Our we are their parents. So I think"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "this is fundamentally where the"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "educational process begins and the"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "questions I'm asking are about what's"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "called conscious parenting. And what I"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "found is that the word conscious means"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "different things to different people. So"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "uh I'm going to invite you to take this"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "and put it into the language of and"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "interpret in a way that's meaningful to"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "you. For me, conscious parenting is all"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "about awareness and sensitivity"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "uh and again honesty uh and truth being"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "aware of your personal behavior in the"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "presence of your children, the language"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "that you're using. And this this is a"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "big one because language is more than"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "just words. Language is a program to our"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "subconscious. And when we instill values"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "within young people at an early age that"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "we live in a world of scarcity, we live"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "in a world of lack. It's a dog eat dog"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "world out there. This is something we've"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "all heard. That seemingly harmless"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "comment that we're making to our"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "children again and again. It instills"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "with them values subconsciously that"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "show up as lack in their lives. As"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "adults, these are the ones that are"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "asking, \"Why can't I find a good"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "relationship? Why can't I find abundance"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "in my life? When they have been"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "programmed subconsciously and"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "unintentionally from the time they're"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "very young uh about what a tough tough"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "world this is. Be aware of the language"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "that you're using when you communicate"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "with other people with your children and"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "what it says about yourself and the the"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "kinds of words that you're using because"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "nature is very literal. So when we say"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "things like I can't find a partner in"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "life"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "to us we're making a comment. But to the"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "universe that is a command. So the"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "universe has just heard an individual"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "say I can't find a partner in life. And"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "the universe says okay I can I can honor"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "that command. And so you can't find and"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "you can't find and you can't find"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "because there's no resolution to that."}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "All the universe has heard you say is"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "you can't find a more conscious way to"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "say something like that would be uh that"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "I choose to find a partner in my life."}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "There is a a resource an amazing"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "resource uh a man a dear brother a dear"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "friend who I've known and work with for"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "years. His name is Robert Tennyson"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "Stevens who uh talks and has written"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "books about what is called conscious"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "languaging. And if you have not checked"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "out Robert Tennis and Steven's work, I"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "invite you to do it because I think"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "conscious languaging has to play a role"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "in conscious parenting. It has to."}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "That's where I'm going with all of this."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "What are we saying to our our young"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "people? And and what are we saying to"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "ourselves? Young people learn by"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "observation. So the question is as you"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "as a parent, how do you solve your"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "problems? When you're confronted with"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "something uh that's hurtful or difficult"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "or someone says something to you that"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "can be hurtful or difficult or you're"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "confronted with something that you"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "you've never had to solve before, how do"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "you go about solving it? Do you say this"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "can't be done or do you say there's"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "always a way to do it? And do you model"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "not just speak the words but model in"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "life for your children the possibilities"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "that you would hope to instill within"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "them to empower them in life. And so"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "this is where the awareness uh the"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "conscious awareness comes in of not only"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "the language but the actions as well."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "Conscious parenting begins with"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "self-awareness. Self-awareness of each"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "individual parent. Now, this is where"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "another question comes up often because"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "often parents don't see eye to eye. They"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "don't think alike. And so, what happens"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "when one parent has one idea of the way"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "their children or their child should be"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "raised? Another one may not be on board"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "with that. I'm going to to answer that"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "by going to an even deeper level. It's"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "not just about parenting. It's about"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "growing together as a couple. When two"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "humans come together as a couple, two"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "mature adult humans, it is rare that"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "those two humans will always track one"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "another when it comes to new directions,"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "new interest, new explorations and"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "growth in life. We simply do not grow at"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "the same rate. The partnership, when we"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "talk about conscious parenting, I"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "believe it begins with conscious"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "partnership. When we choose our"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "partnerships and we invite another"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "person into our lives, one of the"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "fundamental questions I think we must"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "ask ourselves is, can I grow with this"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "person in my life? Can I"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "myself explore new possibilities and"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "allow them the freedom to explore"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "theirs? And can we come together and"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "share what we found? And where there's"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "overlap, enjoy that together. And where"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "there's not, give one another the"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "freedom to do that. That's an important"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "question. When it comes to parenting,"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "the same thing has to happen. The"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "agreements have to be made with the"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "parents before the principles are ever"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "laid out before the children. All this"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "comes into self-awareness. And that's"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "that's what I think uh conscious"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "parenting is really all about."}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "I was recently asked a question uh about"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "bringing children into the world. How"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "how I'd feel about doing it now as"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "opposed to other times in in history,"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "maybe when the world seemed a little"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "more stable."}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "It's a good question. Let me just tell"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "you a story. So, I got on the plane one"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "day and there was an Air Force cadet"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "that was sitting next to me and he asked"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "me the usual questions. He said, \"So,"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "you know, business or pleasure?\" And I"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "said, \"Yes.\""}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "And he said, \"What do you do for a"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "living?\" And I said, \"Well, how long do"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "you have?\" And he said, \"Well, I've got"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "three hours.\" And I said, \"Well, let me"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "tell you what I do.\" And u at the end of"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "conversation, he asked me a question. He"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "said, \"Do you and your wife have any"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "children?\""}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "And I said, 'Ive never been blessed with"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "a child in my life.' I said, ' Do you"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "have any children?' And he said, 'No'."}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "He said, ' My wife and I made a choice."}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "We would never bring a child into the"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "world the way it is today. I said,"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "\"Really?\" He said, \"The world is a mess."}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "It's unsafe. It's falling apart. The"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "terrorism, the crime, the drugs.\" He"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "said, \"We would never bring a child into"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "the world the way it is right now.\" And"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "I said, \"Wow, that's interesting.\" I"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "said, \"That's one way of thinking of"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "it.\" And he said, \"Is there another"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "way?\" And I said, I believe there is. I"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "said, let me ask you a question. Why"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "would you ever deny a child, a soul the"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "opportunity to come into the world right"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "now when everything is up for grabs. The"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "whole world is up for something new."}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "Everything is falling apart. The systems"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "are breaking down. Why would you deny a"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "soul the opportunity to come into the"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "world now when one heart, one soul, one"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "mind, a new idea can be embraced to such"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "a degree that that idea could change the"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "whole world in a way that is rare and"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "precious? Why would you ever deny a"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "child that opportunity? Then our plane"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "landed and he disappeared and I didn't"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "see him and and I went to baggage to to"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "get my uh my luggage and he was dashing"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "out the door and and I wanted to to just"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "say thank you for the conversation and I"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "said you're in a big hurry. Where are"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "you going? And he said are you kidding?"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "He said after that conversation I'm"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "going home right now to make a baby."}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "And I thought great. So I I'm sharing"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "this story for a reason. It's all about"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "perspective and how we see the world. Is"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "the world volatile? Absolutely. Is the"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "world dangerous? It can be. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "have to be, but but it can be. And it's"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "also everything I said to that Air Force"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "cadet. This is a time when the upheaval"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "and the uncertainty creates an opening"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "that is actually very rare. When"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "everything is working and all the"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "systems are buttoned up and they're"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "locked down and everything is working"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "like clockwork, there's no need for"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "change. And change is hard. When things"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "are falling apart, that's when there's"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "an opening for new ideas, new concepts,"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "new innovations, new inventions, new"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "ways of governing, new ways of thinking,"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "energy, food, finances, economics,"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "healing, everything. And that's where we"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "are right now. So when it comes to"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "bringing a child into this world, uh I"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "can't think of a better time to do it."}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "The other side of this coin is that I"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "believe strongly coming from the family"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "and the background that I've done is"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "that it should only happen when two"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "people are deeply committed to making"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "the time, not just finding spare time"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "when it's available, but creating the"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "time to intentionally and consciously"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "bring the child into the world. bring a"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "new soul into this world and give them"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "the tools early in their life,"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "consciously, subconsciously, visually,"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "all the tools even before they're"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "they're in school, before they're even"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "in kindergarten"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "that help them to realize that they're"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "safe, that they're part of the world"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "rather than separate from it, that they"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "live in the world of connection rather"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "than separation. That nature is based"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "upon cooperation rather than"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "competition. And those fundamental tools"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "will inform them in every situation that"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "will ever come to their doorstep that"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "will ever cross their paths. And if that"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "agreement, if that commitment can be"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "made, I think it's a perfect time to"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "bring a new life into this world. So a"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "question that comes to me so frequently"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "today after the books were written about"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "the indigo children uh back in the in"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "the 80s and 90s is what do we do as"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "parents if we have maybe not indigo in"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "the sense of the way the book was"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "written but but children that are"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "especially sensitive in the way that"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "they process information and their"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "intuitive abilities and their psychic"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "abilities that are having a hard time"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "that don't really fit into the world and"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "the educational system as we see it"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "today."}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "I think it's a good question and it's a"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "good question because we're seeing more"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "and more of these kinds of young people"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "and I don't think there's a pat answer."}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "I don't think there is any one answer"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "because every young person is different."}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "So I cannot give one answer that's going"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "to be oneizefits-all for every young"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "person. But I can say in general uh my"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "experience and I have very close friends"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "that are in this situation and I have"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "been in communities where I've seen"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "different approaches taken. What I found"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "does not work is to isolate these very"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "sensitive young people and artificially"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "make the world easy for them because of"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "their sensitivities."}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "It does not work. The parents will do"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "that thinking they're protecting the"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "children"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "and they are. On one hand, they're"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "protecting them from the very culture"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "and the skills that they need to"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "function in a meaningful way in the"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "world that they're going to find"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "themselves in. So, I think it's about"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "finding a balance of honoring those"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "sensitivities because we all have them"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "to some degree. Deep intuition, access"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "to the subconscious, uh empathy,"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "sympathy, compassion, we all have these"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "to some degree. Many of the young people"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "that are coming in now, these abilities"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "have uh at birth seem to be developed to"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "a very high degree. So, it's about"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "honoring those and helping those young"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "people find where that fits into the"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "world that they have arrived in. This is"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "where they will find their strength. If"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "they cannot function in the world, the"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "abilities become a curse. that if they"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "can function in the world and apply the"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "abilities throughout their lives, then"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "they become a gift. It's a double-edged"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "sword. So, I think it is finding this"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "middle ground of encouraging these"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "abilities, but maybe not touting them."}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "So, what I mean by that is uh young"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "people who are highly uh empathic, for"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "example. So, that means they're feeling"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "what other people are feeling all the"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "The key is to help those young people"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "know what's them and what's the other"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "person. Where where are they picking up"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "those how do they know when those"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "feelings are their own and how they know"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "when they're they're coming from someone"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "else and to help them discern not to"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "judge but discern what that is. So"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "encouraging them to do that. One of the"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "ways the specifics to go about doing"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "this and this is why I shared what I did"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "in missing links."}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "There are a couple of episodes of"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "missing links where I refer to this deep"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "connection between the heart and the"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "brain. Two separate organs, but they can"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "be harmonized into a single functional"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "powerful potent system that gives us the"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "ability for deep intuition and the"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "triggering, the self-healing and the"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "self-triggering of of a strong immune"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "system and anti-aging hormones."}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "When we learn to do that intentionally,"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "a byproduct of harmonizing the heart and"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "the brain, which is actually a natural"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "state of being that we've been"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "conditioned out of. 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And for young people who are"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "going through the building of identity,"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "this is this can be a very vulnerable"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "time. The Kogi indigenous people in"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "South America, when their young people"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "are born, they're born very sensitive as"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "well. They do something very different"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "than we do with our young people. Now,"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "I'm not suggesting that you do this per"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "se, but I'm using this to illustrate an"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "example. Our young people were born and"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "conditioned to see the world through"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "their mind"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "and through their visual senses."}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "Primarily, the Kogi children are"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "isolated and kept in relative darkness"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "for the first year or so of their lives."}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "Now, to us, that sounds like a cruel"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "thing to do. It's all about how it's"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "done. They are nurtured. They are loved."}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "They are taught to see the world not"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "through their mind but through their"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "heart. Now we know why because modern"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "science is telling us and I shared it in"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "missing links. 40,000 specialized cells"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "in the human heart. Sensory neurites are"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "like brain cells but they're in the"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "heart. They think, they feel, they learn"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "independently of the brain and the head."}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "So what has been happening for millennia"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "is that the Kogi are teaching their"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "young people to interpret the world"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "through their heart first and then to"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "begin to balance that through the visual"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "input in the mental and the logic senses"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "later. We teach our young people to"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "interpret the world through their visual"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "senses uh and through their mind first."}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "And if they're lucky as adults, they"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "maybe get to explore their heart a"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "little bit. But it is this balance that"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "helps young people to feel grounded"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "because they're honoring their gifts"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "rather than trying to hide them or"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "having them in in a situation where"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "where they're not understood. One of the"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "ways that parents I'm seeing do this and"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "especially in rural communities is"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "they're homeschooling longer. So in the"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "homeschooling environment, the parents"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "can create this balance of academia and"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "emotional sensitivity, blend it,"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "harmonize it. uh during the formative"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "years so that when the young people are"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "finished with the homeschooling and they"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "go into the universities they are"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "equipped uh and they typically will"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "excel when they do this and I've seen"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "this in intentional communities do in"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "Italy for example an intentional"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "community that's been there since um"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "1970s it was founded in the 1970s they"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "have about 600 people living together in"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "a community they have their own currency"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "they have their own way of growing food"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "they have their own way of educating"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "their young people and what they found"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "is when no and their young people are"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "very sensitive and I've met them and"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "when they leave the domino community and"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "I'm just using this as an example uh and"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "they go into the public schools they are"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "light years ahead of typically where the"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "public schools have led their peers they"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "excel in everything because they have"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "had the benefit of blending uh and"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "honoring their intuitive gifts with uh"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "the the concrete knowledge that they"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "need to make it in the world. So I think"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "this is where education is going because"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "this is our truest nature. We all have"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "these gifts. It's just that the young"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "people coming in now I think have a"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "greater access to them sooner in life"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "and we as adults are being forced now to"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "uh to make place for that in the way"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "that we teach our young people."}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "So when I think about everything that we"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "have talked about in this episode and"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "particularly when it comes to education,"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "conscious education, parenting,"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "conscious parenting, if I had to sum it"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "all up in one word, for me that word"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "would be the word honoring. It's about"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "honoring what is. We are living in a"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "time of extremes in our world. And we"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "are asked to be in the world by"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "embracing the deepest truths of our"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "existence rather than denying our"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "sensitivity or denying the sensitivity"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "of our young people. Honor those and"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "find a way to integrate those"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "sensitivities in a meaningful and honest"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "and truthful way, concrete way into our"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "everyday lives. So what's really"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "happening"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "as we humans have powers that we used to"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "attribute to Zeus or Athena or the Greek"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "myth mythology gods. Suddenly we've got"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "these powers of our so-called ancient"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "gods and we're being given by the"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "process of evolution or by spirit or"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "however you want to see it by the great"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "creating process itself. We are being"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "given powers that are godlike. We can"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "destroy this earth. We can evolve this"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "planet. We can extend our life. We can"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "go into space. We can seek other life."}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "These are powers of ancient gods. And"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "I've said our crisis is a birth. And"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "most of us don't like it."}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "And what I think we're doing now is just"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "barely opening our eyes to what could be"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "considered the miracle and glory"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "of being given powers that we used to"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "attribute to gods and that somehow the"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "great creating process has given our"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "generation of humans the powers either"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "to destroy our planetary life support"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "system or the powers to heal and to"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "evolve and to become godlike in old"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "terms."}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "So we happen to live at the exact moment"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "in history when the mythology of our"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "ancient gods is actually be being given"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "to us in this generation of humans"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "and we don't yet have the story clearly"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "in our own consciousness to understand"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "the meaning of our power. So one reason"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "why I want un us to understand the story"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "is if you look back and I keep saying"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "overview perspective you will see that"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "the story from the origin of creation to"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "the formation of earth life animal life"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "human life and now us is a trajectory"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "that's not just an occasional moment in"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "in history. It's the purpose of the"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "story itself is to give individual"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "humans the ability to see the long story"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "to gain the powers and to begin to enter"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "evolution consciously. So from the"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "perspective of the trajectory and the"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "world view of conscious evolution, we"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "are the first generation in the history"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "of this earth given the powers of our"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "ancient gods and that the whole purpose"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "is let's use them with love."}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "When we discover our new story of"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "evolution, which only was recently"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "discovered, when they discovered the"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "background radiation in n the 1960s,"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "when they discovered the big bang, when"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "they discovered that the universe is"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "evolving, as we said, Einstein thought"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "it was an eternal universe. This is new."}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "It's not in our churches. It's not in"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "our schools. It's not in our"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "universities. The story is not usually"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "told. But when we hear it and when we"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "know that we're part of the story, then"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "we begin to understand that the ideas we"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "hold will affect reality. And these"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "ideas are called memes."}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "Memes are ideas that if enough of us"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "hold them simultaneously,"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "they create the reality of of what those"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "memes are saying. We have a new set of"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "memes and our memes can create reality."}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "We have scattered memes now in our"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "culture and we are gaining powers to"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "heal the earth to free each other powers"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "that we used to attribute to our gods."}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "So how can we get an understanding let's"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "say of the mimedic pattern of modern"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "culture of modern civilization that we"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "would feel that we can act on"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "collectively not just occasionally and"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "individually. So the best way to do that"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "is look at the wheel of co-creation."}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "Look at all the sectors their functions"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "of any community"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "from a small community at a local level"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "or a planetary society. We all have"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "health, we have education, we have"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "governance, we have science and"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "technology, we have uh personal growth."}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "The wheel of co-creation"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "is a place of gathering our new memes."}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "So when we put the memes in health, in"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "education, in governance where we're"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "showing our moving towards a more"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "positive future in those memes and we"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "connect them. Do you remember like Ilia"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "Priagene said, if you do a nonlinear"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "connectivity of individual actions that"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "work or innovations that work, you get a"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "jump."}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "So the only way we will really get a"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "positive jump rather than a negative"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "jump is by connecting what's already"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "jumping by connecting what's already"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "working and looking for the synergistic"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "pattern of the culture in which we're"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "living. And when any of us see it, then"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "we start to enter into evolution by"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "choice, not chance. because we see the"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "direction, the trajectory, and then you"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "put your own ideas in there."}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "What do you think is the next step for"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "your positive good? But you're putting"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "it in a context of the movement towards"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "the next stage of evolution and the"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "powers of gods."}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "Peter Russell"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "wrote an interesting book called A White"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "Hole in Time. And in this book he has a"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "hypothesis that I like very much and it"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "could actually be the truth. It appears"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "that it takes approximately"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "10 billion atoms to create a molecule"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "and 10 billion molecules to create a"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "cell and 10 billion cells to create an"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "organism."}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "Apparently,"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "we have about over almost 8 billion"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "people on this earth, meaning we're"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "close to 10 billion people."}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "So, the thought that Peter has is as we"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "approach 10 billion humans on planet"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "Earth, will we start having the"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "experience of being members of a new"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "organism?"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "Will we get the feeling of wholeness, of"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "oneness, and community? Will we realize"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "that each one of us, no matter how"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "unique we are, is actually a member of a"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "living planetary body? And if that were"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "to happen,"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "we would move into the new world view"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "naturally."}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "We're individuals with each a choice to"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "what we want to do as part of a living"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "organism that is so much greater than"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "the sum of our parts."}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "And we would be recognizing that at that"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "growing edge, there's health, education,"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "and economics within this living system"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "that we're part of that is literally"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "powers we used to attribute to gods. And"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "so, one reason why this story is so"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "important for everybody to know is that"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "it's true, but it takes a perspective to"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "see it clearly. And since it's not being"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "taught or told in our institutions, it's"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "up to us to learn it and to be the"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "leaders at this stage of our own"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "conscious evolution. The story makes the"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "difference."}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "Thinking of planet Earth as a living"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "organism,"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "as a super oranism,"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "let's just for a moment look at our"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "communication systems connecting us up"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "on a planetary scale that never existed"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "before at this scale. Let's take our"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "defense systems,"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "whether it be Russia or the United"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "States or so many other smaller nations"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "now with their nuclear weapons and their"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "weapon systems. It's integrated. There's"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "no such thing as winning a war with a"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "nuclear weapon because the others have"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "it right away. So, our defense systems"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "are linked. You can't gain power over"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "the way we used to. Our production"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "systems of uh the way we produce goods"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "and services is now global and anything"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "that you produce in one part of the"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "world you can receive in another part of"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "the world. The economic systems are"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "global. So the world view is is re"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "helping us to realize we're one living"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "planetary body and each of us is a"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "member of that body. And when we take"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "our evolutionary perspective, we see the"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "body itself is gaining powers"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "that can take us to the next stage of"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "our species as a universal humanity. So"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "the important thing particularly for the"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "young people of the world is to realize"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "that they are born at the generation"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "when we either destroy ourselves or"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "evolve ourselves in totally new"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "directions."}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "When we realize"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "that we individually as well as"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "collectively have powers of ancient gods"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "and that we are those gods come alive"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "right now."}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "Then the experience that we can have of"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "life is transformed"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "from the challenges and the difficulties"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "and the uncertainties"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "to a a form of optimism,"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "a form of creativity"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "and of thankfulness"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "to be alive at this greatest moment of"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "choice of your entire human family. And"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "by your yes, you're tipping the scales"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "forever."}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "And if the inner God shows up as you,"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "creating, loving, and emerging, you will"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "find that we actually collectively have"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "far more than the powers of ancient"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "gods."}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:10", "text": ">> Where I've come to in my life is uh I I"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "expect that something like reincarnation"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "is true. And um the reason I came to it"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "is very unusual and uh it has nothing to"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "do with parasychology and so on because"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "my ideas about it come from two sources."}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "Number one, ancient Greek philosophy"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "because"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "in the in the United States there's this"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "myth that ideas about reincarnation"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "first came into the west through India"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "back in the 19th century. But that's"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "just simply not correct because"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "reincarnation was present as I as an"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "idea at the very beginning of Western"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "civilization. And Pythagoras, for"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "example, who was the person who coined"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "the term philosophy"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "was a reincarnationist. And he claimed"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "to remember eight of his past lives and"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "had some technique that he was able to"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "get his his students to have that"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "experience as well. And as part of their"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "Pythagorean"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "training, when they woke up in the"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "morning, before they got out of bed,"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "they would have to retrace their steps"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "of the day before, like go through the"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "entire day step by step before they got"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "out of bed. What Plato says is that"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "after you leave your body on this"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "existence, then you go into some other"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "realm and after some"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "length of time has elapsed on this earth"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "plane for some reason, you choose to go"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "back. And according to Plato anyway,"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "there is a a conscious process in"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "selecting the life that you're going to"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "lead and that you consider different"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "alternatives and then that you choose"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "someone that I gather that you would uh"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "feel you would learn something from."}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "in um"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "1990"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "or 91 and the Canary Islands"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "after my lecture on some other topic I"}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "think it was near-death experiences this"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "Spanish historic history history"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "professor came up with his wife and he"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "told me he said you know I never had a"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "bit of interest in history but he said"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "some years before he and his wife had"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "been taking a tour of Europe and they"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "ended up in this cathedral and he said"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "On the wall of the cathedral was a mural"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "and in the mural was a picture of a"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "certain man like a a monk or something."}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "And he said as he looked at that picture"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "he said like concentric circles in a"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "kind of tunnel opened up between him and"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "that man and he had a conversation with"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "that man. And I wondered at that time"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "was that did that mean that he had some"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "past life connection or was that just"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "some anomaly which opened up some some"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "kind of disturbance in time that and and"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "you know how would you tell the"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "difference really"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "I think my major breakthrough in being"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "an investigator of life after death"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "came my best guess is in February"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "of 1965"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "and I was an honor student in philosophy"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "at the University of Virginia. And I say"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "that not to pat myself on the back, but"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "to explain that for my last two years of"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "college, all I had to do was to go see"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "my tutor one day a week and read a paper"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "to him. Okay? and I could take any"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "classes and I could sit in on the"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "philosophy graduate seminars. So in the"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "philosophical topics"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "of 1965"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "taught by John Marshall and Peter Heath"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "and I was an undergraduate student and"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "the topic was life after death and the"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "question for the evening was"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "is the notion of the personal survival"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "of bodily death"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "number one intelligible"}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "or number two credible?"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "And my answer was that it was"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "unintelligible because it doesn't make"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "any sense to say there is life after"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "death because what that means when you"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "unpack it is there is life after the"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "final irreversible sessation of life"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "which is a self-contradiction."}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "And in that seminar, one of the things"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "we read was David Hume's great essay"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "about immortality in which he said, \"By"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "the mere light of reason, it seems"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "difficult to prove the immortality of"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "the soul."}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "Some new species of logic is required"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "for that purpose and some new faculties"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "of the mind that they may enable us to"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "comprehend that logic.\" And I was"}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "working on that already. See, my my"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "interest in philosophy was"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:19", "text": "unintelligibility. It's like things that"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "don't make sense. So that very night was"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "I had and it's actually uh it was my"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "doctoral dissertation about four years"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "later was one part of that and not on"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "the afterlife but on unintelligibility"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "and I've continued to do it to where I"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "say that in 19 in 2018 I claim that"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "there is absolutely a logically coherent"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "way to think about life after death but"}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "that to do that you've got to change"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "your own mind. You've got to work on"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "your own mind first because the logic we"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "have and the mind won't that we have"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "won't work. But you can fix your mind"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "and the logic in such a way that you"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "really can comprehend these big"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "questions about life after death."}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "What brought me around to the inner"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "necessity of saying that there is an"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "afterlife was not the logical process of"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "drawing a conclusion but rather was"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "being forced into a situation where I"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "don't know what else to say and that is"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "that I have many wonderful physicians"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "who I would absolutely trust as medical"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "doctors even in an extreme situation to"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "turn myself over to them and they have"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "had astonishing experiences where they"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "went to another world and they"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "unanimously agree that this was real."}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "So what really got to me eventually was"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "just saying,\"Well, you know, if all of"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "my friends agree, and they say they've"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "been there, and I hear all the time"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "doctors who tell me that they"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "empathically co-experienced"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "the near-death experience of their"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "patient,"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:09", "text": "then I am in a point where the most I"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "can say is that there does appear to be"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "an afterlife and I am on a long way from"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "understanding it, but it's gives me a"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "motivation to keep on in my research to"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "try to figure this out and how to make"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "rational sense of it. I've always liked"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "writing humor things. When Life After"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "Life came out in 1975,"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "my publisher was a little bit distraught"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "because he was afraid that that somebody"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "might find some of my earlier humor"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "works"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "and thinking it was just another um you"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "know, another joke I was doing. But but"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "that didn't happen. But um I think the"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "strength of my work was that having been"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "through philosophy training before I"}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "wrote that book that I knew what you"}, {"end": "00:50:08", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "couldn't conclude and that rather than"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "making some sort of statement about"}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:08", "text": "proof of life after death that I held"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "back and that I confined to what could"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "logically be done which is to accurately"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "describe the phenomenology"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "the the elements and characteristics of"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "a near-death experience and that that"}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "opened up a lot of other research on"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "this same topic."}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:33", "text": "I have never had anybody relate to me"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "personally the story of an interstellar"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "reincarnation,"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "but I sure hope that something like that"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "is true because it's uh you know I have"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "always been trying to get out into outer"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "space and if I could be assured that I'm"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "going to go out there um when I'm dead"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "then that might me make me rethink my"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "thoughts about the afterlife cuz you"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "know I mean like I said I'm not really"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "very enthusiastic about"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "the reality of this. I mean, I don't"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "know if I want there to be an afterlife"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "or not. And I don't know even how to"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "figure that out. But but it's a very"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "hopeful prospect to me. The idea that I"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "could do what I've always wanted to do"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "anyway, which is to be an interstellar"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "explorer,"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "and I could do it just by the process of"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "dying. That would be a great thing."}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "My research and thought over 50 plus"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "years suggests to me that basically"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "what a human being is is a conscious"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "entity"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "that really appreciates narrative and"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "story"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "because what are you but your story and"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "I think the essence of the identity of a"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "person is that person's life story."}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "I sure hope that my children remember me"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "favorably."}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "That's what I want to be remembered as a"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "good father and with all my failings in"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "it. But to me, it's entirely personal."}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "My kids is and my grandson is what how I"}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "would like to be remembered"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "in terms of professionally. I would like"}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "to be remembered as a scholar is that I"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "would say that this guy Raymond Moody"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "took"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "2300 years"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "of"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "assumptions about nonsense"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "and turned them around and showed that"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "meaningless unintelligible language is"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "not something to be reviled and debunked"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "but rather is something that can be a"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "key to the understanding of"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "consciousness itself. So I would like to"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "be remembered as the"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "uh student of philosophy because I don't"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "like to call myself a philosopher. A"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "student of philosophy"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "who figured out how to think logically"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "and intelligibly"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "about things that are meaningless and"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "unintelligible. People"}]

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We're taught"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "that we come into the world with a code"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "that is set in stone and you get what"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "you get. When I go to the doctor's"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "office, if I I go once a year I go for a"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "physical and I fill out this form and"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "they ask the same question. Have either"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "of your parents ever had any of these"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "and then they give you this list. Well,"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "I have to say yes to all of them because"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "my father had every single one and some"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "that aren't even listed on there. But I"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "also have to say I attribute to"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "lifestyle. has nothing to do it has"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "nothing to do with my life now unless I"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "choose to live the life that my father"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "lived. If I choose to live the life that"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "my father lived then I it's very"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "probable that I would have those same"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "experiences. But they link that the"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "thinking is that that DNA is inherited"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "from one generation the next the next"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "and it's locked in stone. Epigenetics is"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "changing all of that. our environment,"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "our external environment, our emotional"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "environment, our psychological"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "environment, our nutritional environment"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "says that all of those things are are"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "subject uh to to change. So, we're not"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "locked in. We are not defined by our"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "past unless we choose to be defined by"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "our past. We're not defined by the"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "genetics that our parents have given us."}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Unless we choose to to be defined by"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "those genetics, it's not right, wrong,"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "good, or bad. It's just that this is"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "what we're finding out about ourselves."}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "I'm going to go to our next discovery. I"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "want to talk about brain states."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "This is so interesting to me because"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "when I was in school, most of you when"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "you were in school, we were taught that"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "there are essentially four brain states."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "And scientists, medical doctors that I"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "talked to said, \"This is it. There can't"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "be anymore because the human brain, the"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "neurons, the circuitry in the human"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "brain cannot possibly sustain higher"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "frequencies than what we already know"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "about right now. So, let me show you. I"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "was in school. Most of you when you were"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "in school, and if you got kids in school"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "now, they're pretty much still teaching"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "this. The first is the the the delta"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "brain state. I know you're familiar with"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "it. Look at what a long slow wave that"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "is. This is a really deep deep sleep."}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "It's a healing sleep. It's what I call"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "black hole sleep. You ever go h have a"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "sleep and you wake up and you don't even"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "know that you've been asleep. You no"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "dreams that you remember. It's just like"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "I guess I was asleep because I woke up."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "and I always am happy when I wake up. I"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "say, \"Wow, I woke up again. This is so"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "awesome.\" So, that is what the delta"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "waves look like. All right. The theta"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "waves. How many How many in here are"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "involved in theta healing at all? Some"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "of you, you're going to love where we go"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "with this. This is the theta wave. It's"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "still a long slow wave, but it's not"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "quite as slow. It's got a little little"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "bit faster uh a little bit faster uh um"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "uh information happening here. This is"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "where we typically are in meditation"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "when we go into to deep meditation or"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "the healing state. This is the body's"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "healing state. Now I'm going to call"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "your attention. I want you to know I"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "said long slow waves. Look at the"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "frequencies."}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "0.1"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "hertz to three hertz is the delta wave."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "0.1 hertz to three hertz. Four to seven"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "hertz, seven cycles per second is the"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "theta wave. All right, the alpha wave a"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "little bit faster. You can see this is a"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "faster wave. This is when you're relaxed"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "and in a a very creative state. When I"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "as a musician, when I'm writing a song"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "or I'm trying to learn someone else's"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "song, do a cover or if I'm if I am uh"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "writing a book and uh and developing"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "information to go for the book. Look at"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "this. This goes from 8 to 15 hertz or 15"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "cycles per second. And then beta"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "consciousness. This is hopefully where"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "you are right now. I think most of you"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "are in beta. Some of you might be in"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "alpha right now. I don't know. Deeply"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "relaxed. Um but the this is when you're"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "alert, you're concentrating 16 to 30"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "cycles per second. It's a lot faster"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "wave. Scientists for years they said"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "that's this is it. They said there can't"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "be anymore. the human brain cannot"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "sustain anything beyond that. Then they"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "began working with the Tibetan"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "meditators."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "And the Tibetans said well actually if"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "we do a certain kind of meditation we"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "can exceed that. And the researchers"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "said show us. So what happened was they"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "brought them into the laboratory."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "They started they started in the the"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "monasteries when they were in Tibet and"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "they actually began with the young"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "people the young people are trained from"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "very early age to attain these higher"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "brain states and it's easier for them."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "They've never been conditioned out of"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "it. All right. So the young people this"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "I love this image. These are Tibetan"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "monks in the monastery in Tibet and look"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "at the laptops right in front of them."}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "They're they're hooked up to EEG"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "monitors and they're getting readings"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "that the the medical doctors say you"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "can't you can't do that. And the monks"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "said okay"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "but we are. So they said we have to"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "bring you into the laboratory in in the"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "US and into Western Europe. So they"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "began bringing them uh so they could put"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "them into devices like this. I love this"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "this and the monks they said we need you"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "to put on a robe so we can do an MRI."}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "And the monk says, \"I'm already wearing"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "a robe. I don't I don't need another"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "robe.\" But they love to laugh. The"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "monks, they laugh. They love to giggle"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "and they love to laugh. And I think it's"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "important to achieve these these higher"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "brain states. So they said, \"When we"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "begin"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "to do certain kinds of meditation, and"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "I'm going to tell you what they are."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "You've actually already embarked upon"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "this journey already.\" They said, \"We"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "can exceed"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "30 hertz. We can exceed 30 cycles per"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "second.\" So the beta brain state was no"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "longer the top. They said, \"We can take"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "this up to another brain state between"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "30 and 80 cycles per second.\" The"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "scientist says, \"Wow, you know, we've"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "never seen that. We didn't know that was"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "possible. We're going to stay with the"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Greek terminology and we have to have a"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "name for the new brain state. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "called gamma.\" So the gamma brain state"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "30 to 80 hertz, but that's it. The human"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "brain is topped out. we cannot possibly"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "embrace. It cannot sustain the human"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "brain cannot sustain anything higher"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "than 80 cycles per second. And the"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "Tibetan said, well actually uh if we do"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "a little bit different kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "meditation, we can exceed that. And the"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "researchers said, well, show me. So they"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "went into a deeper form of meditation"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "and they were able to take that 80 hertz"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "all the way up to what now is called"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "hyper gamma. still the same brain wave,"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "but from 80 hertz all the way up to 100"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "cycles per second. 100 hertz."}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "And the scientists were pretty blown"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "away and they said, \"Okay, maybe we were"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "wrong about this.\" I'm just paraphrasing"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "a scientist. Maybe we were wrong, but"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "this is it. This has to be it. The human"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "brain, the neurons electrically cannot"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "sustain anything beyond 100 cycles per"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "second. It's just not possible."}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "And the Tibetan said, 'Well,"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "if we begin to do a little bit different"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "kind of meditation now, they're not"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "using any external technology. It's all"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "happening in here. And that is why I'm"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "so passionate about sharing it with you."}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "We are wired for these extraordinary"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "potentials. You can use gadgets if you"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "want to get you there, but you don't"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "need them. And this is where we find our"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "mastery. The Tibetan said, \"If we do a"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "different kind of meditation, we can"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "exceed a 100 hertz.\" And the scientists"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "said, \"There's no way. How far do you"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "think you can go?\" Well, I'm just going"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "to tell you, they doubled it. They"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "doubled it. And there now is a brain"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "state above hyper gamma. They had to"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "stay with the the naming convention from"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "the the Greek letters. It is called the"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "lambda brain state. The lambda brain"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "state begins at 100 hertz and tops out"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "right now at 200 cycles per second, 200"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "hertz. They are extremely conscious when"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "they are in this state and they are very"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "awake. But if you walked in to someone"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "who is meditating at 200 cycles per"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "second, you wouldn't know that. You"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "might think they're taking a nap because"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "they are so awake within but it's not"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "showing externally."}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "Now I personally believe this is not the"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "end yet because our neurons are designed"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "the way they interact with the field"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "around us. They are designed sustain"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "much much more than this and this is"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "we're only beginning to understand. This"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "is part of your humanness. But if we"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "compromise our brain states and begin"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "implanting chips and allowing the chips"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "to do what we are designed to do, we're"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "going to lose these capabilities. The"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "first generation, a few people try it"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "and you say, \"Okay, that's cool. That's"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "fun.\" Pretty soon that becomes the way"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "to do it. And pretty soon, everyone is"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "doing it through a chip and no one"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "remembers how to access this this"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "powerful fast of humanness and then we"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "begin to atrophy those parts of our"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "bodies that we're not using. Does that"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "make sense to you if I say it? So I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "very passionate about this. The humans"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "must prevail."}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "We are humanists is so precious. At"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "least know what it is before we allow it"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "to be compromised. And we are not at"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "that point right now. Let me go one one"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "step further. One step further. So the"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "scientist said, \"Well, this must be it."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "We now have a new map of the brain"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "states, right?\" And the Tibetan said,"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "\"Well,"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "actually, there is another brain state"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "in a place where you typically don't"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "look. You haven't looked yet. It's on"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "the other end of the spectrum. And they"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "said, \"Well, what do you mean? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "the other end of the spectrum, it begins"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "at less than one cycle per second. It"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "begins at 0.1. How can you get less than"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "0.1?\""}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "Tibetan said, \"We'll show you.\" And they"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "went into a meditation and a brain"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "state,"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "and their brain state is zero cycles per"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "second."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "To an outside observer, there is no"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "discernable breath."}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "There is no discernable heartbeat. There"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "is no discernable pulse. And they are"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "very very much alive and very conscious."}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "It is called the epsilon brain state."}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "And it is from 0 to 0.1 hertz."}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "Now here's why I'm sharing this with"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "you. It's really interesting."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "What they discovered, what the"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "scientists found is that the high end of"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "the lambda brain state and the low end"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "of the epsilon, they both lead to the"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "same state of consciousness. Isn't that"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "interesting? They both take you to the"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "same state. One of them you're in a very"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "awake and an aware state. The other one"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "you're more in a dreamlike state. But"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "look at this. They both go to exactly"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "the same place. Different brain states,"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "same state of consciousness."}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "And what this suggests is that we have"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "the ability to tune our brain. When we"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "are creating these different tunings in"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "here, it's allowing us to access"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "different bodies of information out"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "there, different fields, different"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "places within the field. And as other"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "forms of life do, and this is how we"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "communicate with other forms of life,"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "horse whispers, dog whispers, cat"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "whispers, plant whispers. what they're"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "doing. They are empaththing. We'll talk"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "about empathing after lunch. They're"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "empaththing with the other beings in"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "their immediate environment and they're"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "tuning their consciousness to those"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "other beings. And this is allowing them"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "to communicate in a very meaningful way."}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "There are different kinds of channeling"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "uh and some do it better than others. So"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "the act of channeling, you could"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "consider the act of channeling the act"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "of tuning your body to a field of"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "information"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "that uh exists in the field that"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "connects all things that is now"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "acknowledged by modern science. Um"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "the act of tuning the body to that"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "place."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "The reason I'm hesitating is because"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "when conscious full body channels have"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "been measured, what happened is that"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "they were active in all of these brain"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "states simultaneously."}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "At the same time, they were awake and"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "asleep at the same time. They were in"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "epsilon, they were in lambda. All of"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "these were active at the same time. That"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "is a fully realized, fully potentialized"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "human being. because I wanted to get the"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "the technical aspects"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "uh under our belt uh that help us to"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "think differently about ourselves. You"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "know, young kids in school today are"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "taught I'm I'm just going to give you"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "there's a chemistry book that is"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "commonly used um that has a definition"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "of life. I'm going to do this from"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "memory because I I've seen this so many"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "times. Our young people are taught that"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "the definition of life here's a textbook"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "definition of life. Life is a behavior"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "pattern that chemical systems exhibit"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "when they reach a certain level of"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "complexity."}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "That's what your kids and your grandkids"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "are being taught is the definition."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "Doesn't that feel special? Life is a"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "behavior pattern that chemical systems"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "exhibit when they reach a certain level"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "of complexity. No matter how you say it,"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "it sounds very sterile. Where's the"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "specialness of the life? When we begin"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "to embrace the science that tells us"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "something happened,"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "something mysterious happened here"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "200,000 years ago, we don't know what it"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "is, but we're the result of whatever"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "that something is. We begin to think of"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "ourselves a little bit different light."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "Now the question we know that we are"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "genetically wired for extraordinary"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "capacities that chromos and I could talk"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "about others there's chromosome 2"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "chromosome 7 are important uh but there"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "are others now that are being revealed"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "were not the result of these random"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "mutations that you and I have been led"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "to believe and that just I can't"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "emphasize enough it changes everything"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "I'm just going to ask you do you feel"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "any differently about yourself and you"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "don't have to say yes because you're in"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "a gaia"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "But what we just saw, how how many of"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "you did not know about the fusions in"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "chromosome 2 and and seven? Anybody?"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "Okay. How do you feel when you see those"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "things? I mean, does it invite you to"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "think differently about yourself?"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "I I heard the conversations happening"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "before I left the stage. I heard you all"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "talking and it's very cool to hear"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "people talk about, wow, I didn't know"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "about chromosome."}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "So, what kind of things come to mind?"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "What what do you think? What do you feel"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "when you see those things? Anybody?"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "Pardon me?"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "I'm not an ape."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "Not an ape. Well, the question So, one"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "of the questions is if the fusion came"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "from two pre-existing primate"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "chromosomes,"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "where did those chromosomes come from?"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "Yeah, that's a good question. I don't"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "know specifically. It appears that who"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "or whatever is responsible for our"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "existence. As a scientist, I cannot tell"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "you what it is. I don't know. I have my"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "own personal feelings and as I have"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "spent so much of my adult life studying"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "with the indigenous people throughout"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "the world. I mean the Tibetans and Nepal"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "and India and Bolivia and Peru and all"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "through the American desert southwest"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "and uh the the Aboriginals in Australia"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "and in Africa and beyond"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "the through line of their story"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "that each story is different but the"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "through line is that we are the product"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "of some kind of intervention and I think"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "we have to to be honest with ourselves"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "and say there appears to be some kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "intervention in our distant past when"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "200,000 years ago. Who or why or what"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "that is, every one of those stories"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "tells us something different, but they"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "all tell us that we have a relationship"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "that extends far beyond what we've been"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "led to believe here in this world. So,"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "as I mentioned, I have scientific"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "friends that say, \"Well, we've got to"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "understand our origin before we can ever"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "embrace these capabilities.\" And my"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "feeling is if we will honor ourselves"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "and develop the mastery"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "that is inherent within each of us, that"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "mastery is going to lead us to the story"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "of our origin and our capabilities and"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "perhaps something even even greater. And"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "I think it holds the potential to be one"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "of the most unifying discoveries at a"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "time when our world is so polarized,"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "when the world is so focused upon our"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "differences to find something that"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "unifies us in such a powerful way at"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "just the right moment in history. It's"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "no accident that we haven't made these"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "discoveries in the past. It's only when"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "the technology led us to the point that"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "we could look into the DNA that we're"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "now able to see we're not what we've"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "been told. And I believe that means that"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "we have the consciousness to embrace"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "what the implications are. So I I think"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "it's no accident that's happened that"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "way. And as we embrace everything these"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "extraordinary potentials, I think that"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "may open the door to understanding the"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "deepest truths of our existence uh and"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "come full circle. And that's that's"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "where I want to go with with all of"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "this. So I'm going to begin now with"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "discovery number six. How do we awaken"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "this potential? Well, this is another"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "discovery that is relatively recent."}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "You know, the human heart. When I was in"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "school back in 1950s,60s, early 70s, I"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "was taught that the heart is uh where"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "the brain is the master organ in the"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "body. I'm just going to ask how many of"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "you were taught the brain is the master"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "organ in the body. I was two. And you"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "know the brain is important. There's no"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "doubt about that. The brain's important."}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "But now what what we know is that the"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "brain receives"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "much of the instruction that tells the"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "brain what to do comes from the human"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "heart. And the human heart creates those"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "instructions based upon the way we feel"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "about the world around us and about the"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "world within us. Our perceptions."}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "Not even what's real. It's what we"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "perceive as being real. So when we"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "perceive when we sense that we're not"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "safe, for example, and we live uh in"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "constant anxiety and we live in constant"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "vigilance, our heart is sending a very"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "specific kind of signal to the brain and"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "the brain is responding by flooding the"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "body with a chemistry that matches that"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "signal. So, if you feel that you're not"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "safe, here's what happens. Your your"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "body does one of two things. You're in"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "either in regeneration and rejuvenation"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "mode or you are in survival mode. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "hard for the body to do both"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "simultaneously."}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "So, if you feel that you're constantly"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "in a state of fear that you're not safe,"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "then your body shuts down the healing"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "response. It shuts down the rejuvenation"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "and the regeneration response because"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "your body says, you know, we've got to"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "deal with survival. And I'll tell you,"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "one of the places a living laboratory"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "are the refugee camps that are happening"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "in the Middle East right now because"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "there's an entire new generation of"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "children that are being born and only"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "know living in the threat of a refugee"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "camp. Their brains are not developing"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "properly. their bodies are not"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "developing properly because they are in"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "constant stress, fight or flight. And"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "there are organizations and I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "talk to you about some of those who are"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "helping to change that by doing"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "precisely what you and I are going to do"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "within the next 90 minutes by"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "harmonizing the heart and the brain in a"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "very very powerful way. And this is what"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "I want to talk to you about. So it it's"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "interesting because we"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "scientists believed that we knew so much"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "about the heart. heart transplants,"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "first transplants in 1960s, um uh South"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "Africa, uh Debbi, I think some of you"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "remember the the um the first heart"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "transplants when they were happening."}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "And we now do about 10,000 heart"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "transplants a year. And for the most"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "part, they're successful. And because"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "they are so successful, scientists say,"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "well, we must understand pretty much"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "everything there is to know, or we"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "wouldn't have this level of success. So"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "imagine their amazement. A discovery was"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "made in 1991. It was published in 1994"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "of a new class of cells. They're called"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "sensory neurites. Scientists discovered"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "about 40,000 specialized cells in the"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "human heart. 1991. It's published in the"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "journal. Look at the name of the"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "journal. The name of the journal tells"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "the whole story. The journal is card"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "called neurocardiology."}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "Neuro means what?"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "Cardiology is what?"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "Heartb brain. This is a new journal made"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "to reflect the power of these these"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "discoveries. Neurocardiology, Oxford"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "University Press, 1994. The heart's"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "nervous system contains about 40,000"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "specialized cells in the heart. They are"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "configured in a way that makes a neural"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "network, but the neural network is in"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "the heart. It's not in the brain. These"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "are brain-like cells, but they're not in"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "the brain. In the cranial brain, they're"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "in the heart. So, scientists actually"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "call this now the little brain in the"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "heart. You you can Google it. Don't"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "Google it now, but later later you can"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "Google it. It's actually called the"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "little brain in the heart. Now, this is"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "a very very powerful discovery by"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "science because almost universally our"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "ancestors, ancient traditions,"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "indigenous traditions always told us"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "that the heart is really where the"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "action is. You know, I did an experiment"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "uh a few years ago and I was uh we were"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "doing pilot programs with with young"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "people. So, we did first we started with"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "programs with uh second graders, eight"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "or nine years old. I I don't have any"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "children of my own, so I have to think"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "about the age groups. I'm getting"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "better. Uh so, yes, is that right? Eight"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "or nine year olds, second grade"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "approximately. Uh then we did middle"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "school and then we did uh high school"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "seniors. And I'd ask these young people,"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "I'd say, 'When you find yourself in this"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "room, can you show me where are you? And"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "almost universally, they go, I'm here."}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "It's just this real I'm here. Or when I"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "talk to indigenous people from"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "throughout the world, I said I said, you"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "live here on earth. Where are you right"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "now? I'm here."}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "It's almost a reflex. We don't say I'm"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "here. We say I'm here. Because the"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "heart, we know the heart is the seat of"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "this this very very powerful experience."}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "I'm just going to ask a couple of"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "telling questions. What's the first"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "organ that developed in your body when"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "you were in your mother's womb? Take a"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "wild guess. It's the heart. And you"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "know, we still don't know. To this"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "moment, scientists cannot answer the"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "question, what happens? What happens"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "when one moment there's this little"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "bundle of cells that are just sitting"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "there and the next moment a heartbeat"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "happens? What was that? What caused that"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "heartbeat? Scientists have all kind."}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "They talk about sodium ion potentials"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "across cell walls and all these kinds of"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "things. But you know what the indigenous"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "people say right up here in uh well down"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "there in northern New Mexico. I'm in"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "Colorado now. in northern New Mexico and"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "when I was with the Tibetans, they tell"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "me the same thing. I had the opportunity"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "to spend a lot of time in Tibet in the"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "90s and early 2000s and that's going to"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "be important here in a little while."}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "Tibetans tell me the same thing. They"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "say that first heartbeat is the moment"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "that the power of the soul enters the"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "physical body. Isn't that interesting?"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "Now as scientists as a scientist I I I"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "can't talk about the soul scientifically"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "because it's not acknowledged"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "scientifically but we all know that"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "there is something there there is a"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "power there's an energy and one of the"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "fascinating things to me uh I'm a"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "scholar and I've spent a lot of my life"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "researching texts that were either"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "deleted from popular religious texts the"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "43 books that were removed from the"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "Christian Bible for example or the books"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "that removed from the Hebrew Bible or"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "the Gnostic tradition traditions that"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "were discovered in the 1940s or you know"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "some of the other traditions. All of"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "these traditions so fascinating to me"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "they tell a story of the creation of the"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "human body and they all say that we are"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "the product of an intentional creation."}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "Number one, they always say that they"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "when they created the human body, not he"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "or she, but they indicate indicating"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "suggesting that there was a group of"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "some kind. And they all say that the"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "first human bodies"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "were not capable of sustaining the power"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "of light or the power of the soul in the"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "physical world. that it took multiple"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "iterations, multiple attempts, multiple"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "formulas of DNA to find the right"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "formula for the the genetic blueprint"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "that would hold the power of the soul in"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "the physical world. Isn't that"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "interesting? It's not science. And I'll"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "be very clear. I I can't say that as a"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "scientist. But when you see a story"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "across such disperate traditions that"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "has such a similar theme, I don't know"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "that the story is true, but there's"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "usually some element of truth in that."}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "You know, as a geologist, I saw this"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "almost universally. Ancient traditions"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "tell about a great flood. They say there"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "was a great flood that that swept the"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "earth. And each tradition talks about"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "what that flood meant to them. As a"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "geologist, what I can tell you is we see"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "evidence of that flood. It did happen."}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "It didn't cover the entire earth. It"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "covered a lot of the earth. It was right"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "at the end of the last ice age when the"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "ice melted. The water needed to go"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "somewhere. Sea levels rose and a lot of"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "land was inundated when that happened."}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "So, it's a beautiful example. It's it's"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "there's a throughine. The story is a"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "little different, but the universal"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "nature of the flood is throughout. the"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "story is different but the universal"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "nature of us being the product of some"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "kind of intervention. So some of you uh"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "you know you ask me these questions"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "during breaks and things all the time. I"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "think as a scientist we have to"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "acknowledge it appears there's been some"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "kind of intervention and say we don't"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "know and let's let go of the old story"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "that no longer serves us and allow see"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "if you can see the difference. There's a"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "huge difference between forcing every"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "iota of data to fit into a pre-existing"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "story. That's what's happening right"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "now. All the new discoveries are being"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "forced to fit into the theory of"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "evolution. Even if they don't fit, it's"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "like a square peg in a round hole. If"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "you pound hard enough, it'll go, but"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "it's never a good fit. There's a big"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "difference between that and allowing the"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "new discoveries to lead to whatever"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "story they're going to tell. Do you feel"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "that difference? It's a big difference."}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "And this is an invitation. The new book"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "is an invitation for credible scientists"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "to do just that. Allow the new"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "discoveries to lead to whatever our"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "story is going to be. So I I wanted to"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "say that as we go on because what we're"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "doing here is a big part of this. 1991"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "science discovered these 40,000 sensory"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "neurites. The heart has its own brain."}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "And I want you to see precisely where"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "these are. If you can see, this is a"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "diagram of the human heart. Every place"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "where you see, even if you even if you"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "can't see and read the words, every one"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "of those little dots is an area where"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "those neurites are. And what they are"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "are showing you is they are placed"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "they're placed around the valves and the"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "arteries that control the heart. So when"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "we are feeling"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "anxious or when we feel that we're not"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "safe or if we feel a sense of well-being"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "and and a sense of ease, we're actually"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "informing the neurons that regulate how"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "our heart is functioning in our bodies."}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "And what we're beginning to find is the"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "heart, is it a pump? Yes. But you can"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "build a machine that pumps the blood."}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "The heart does so much more than pump"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "the blood. And that's where we're going"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "to go with this. The neurons in the"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "heart. Now, I want to be very clear what"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "we're talking about. The little the"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "neurons the neurons are the blobs that"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "you see. The neurites are the branches"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "that come out. All right? 40,000 sensory"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "neurites are what are discovered in the"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "human heart. This has led to a new study"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "about what is called heart intelligence."}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "I'm fascinated by this heart"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "intelligence because what we now know is"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "that the little brain in the heart, it"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "thinks independently of the cranial"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "brain. It remembers independently of the"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "cranial brain. It feels independent of"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "the cranial brain and its senses. And"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "it's not a metaphor. This is a literal"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "memory."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Have I applied it my own life? I'll just"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "be very candid. The answer is yes. In"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "the year 2000, in a routine medical"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "exam, uh I was told I had something"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "inside my body that shouldn't be there"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "in my bladder. Uh and I needed surgery."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "We're claiming it. We're pulling it out"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "of that soup to make it real. So, the"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "example that I gave of my native friend"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "creating rain in the high desert of"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "northern Mexico, the rain existed in the"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "in the quantum possibility. He claimed"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "it through his senses. He felt the"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "feeling as if he were standing in the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "mud. He smelled the smells of the rain."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Welcome, Greg."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Tiffany, I am so excited to be here"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "today and really thrilled to talk about"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "this topic. Thank you for having me and"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "I look forward to these questions."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Thank you. We're excited to have you,"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "too. I get so many great questions from"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "our members and just the fact that"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "you're here is just an honor for me to"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "talk to you, but also for our members"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "that really are looking for answers. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "thank you. Can I share a little secret"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "with our our members? Where we're"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "sitting right now is the very room, the"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "very studio, and the very place where"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "all of Missing Links was was filmed"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "originally. So, this is like deja vu"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "coming back and it's the rest of the"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "program. So, it feels really good to be"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "here with you. Thank you."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Love it. Love it. So, it's just like"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "they're here with us today. So,"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": ">> let's go ahead and get started with"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "Leanne's question. She wants to know,"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "can you clarify the connection between"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "our heart's intelligence and our"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "subconsciousness?"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "Are they the same intelligence or is the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "heart our higher consciousness which"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "acts as a gateway"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": ">> to our subconsciousness?"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "I think it's important to understand if"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "our blocking subconscious beliefs can"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "affect our heart's intelligence and the"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "messages it gives us."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> That's a really good actually the three"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "or four questions that are in there. So"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "I'm going to uh I want to address this"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "quickly at a high level but I want to be"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "complete and I want to be complete in in"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "saying this. Uh"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "1991 as I talked about the missing"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "links. The discovery of 40,000"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "specialized cells in the human heart"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "changed the way we think about the heart"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "forever. These are sensory neurites. Uh"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "they're essentially brain like cells but"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "they're not in the brain. They're in the"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "heart. They think, remember, uh, and"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "learn independently of the brain and our"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "head. And one of the ways that that"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "independence occurs is our heart doesn't"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "work through the filters of the ego,"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "uh, the self-doubt, the criticism that"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "we hear from the time that we're young,"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "from sometimes from people that are"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "closest to us. So when we communicate"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "directly with our hearts, uh the"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "information usually comes quickly. It's"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "very concise. It's very direct. There's"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "no preamble or introduction to the"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "answer. And it doesn't need to have that"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "because it's not going through those"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "filters. Our brain on the other hand,"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "when we ask our ourselves a question,"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "our brain, we can go through the loop,"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "the endless loop of all the doubt and"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "the criticisms and the questions and the"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "circular logic and the reasoning. That"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "is a distinction between the heart and"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "the brain. However, the brain can think"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "in logic. The heart doesn't think in"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "logic in in the same way. So, this is"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "how they function independently. What we"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "are talking about in missing links is"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "these two separate organs may be"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "harmonized"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "into a single potent neural network so"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "that we can tap the benefit of both. And"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "when we do that, we harmonize the heart"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "and the brain through the process I"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "shared missing links where we create a"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "0.1 hertz signal between the heart and"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "the brain. We feel the feelings to"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "create that signal. That is the hotline"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "to the subconscious. It is the"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "harmonization of the heart and the brain"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "that gives us direct access into the"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "subconscious. So when we are working"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "with our heart, we're working with heart"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "wisdom."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "And the beauty of that heart wisdom is"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "that we can ask anything that we choose"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "to ask. And what I'm hearing in this"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "question is, \"How do we know what we're"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "hearing?\""}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": ">> And this is this is people ask me this"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "all the time, Tiffany. They'll come up"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "to me and they'll say, \"I had this"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "dream.\" And it was so vivid and very"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "detailed. They'll give me all the"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "details about this dream. And then they"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "look at me and they say, \"What did it"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "mean?\" And I have to say to them, \"I"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "have no idea.\" Because it's your dream."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "If you're empowered to have the dream or"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "you receive a message from the universe"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "and you're not sure what that means,"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "you're empowered to use the system to go"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "back in query query this intelligence."}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "What does this mean in my life? What am"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "I being shown this dream? Where's this"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "intelligence coming from? What is this"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "message? Where's this message"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "originating? Rather than trying to guess"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "and this heartbrain communication"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "empowers us to be able to do that. So,"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "so we're talking that heartbrain is the"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "connection to the subconscious without"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "going through a hypnosis or relaxation"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "or anything like that."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": ">> I think it's interesting that you even"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "mentioned the idea of talking to the"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "heart and having a conversation with it."}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Um, let's move on to Lisa's question"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "about manifestation."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": ">> So, I'm going to read the whole thing"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "because it's really interesting the way"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "she words it. All right."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": ">> You related the story of a shaman"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "manifesting an outcome, in this case"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "rain, through the mind framework of it"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "already having occurred and"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "internalizing it correspondingly"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "with a feeling of wet feet, etc. How"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "does this paradigm compare with that of"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "intention? For example, if I set my"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "intention towards manifesting a"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "particular reality or goal, is that"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "self-defeating in the sense that I am"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "desiring an outcome rather than treating"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "it as already realized? Does intention"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "still play a role in manifesting?"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:43", "text": ">> It's a great question and once again and"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "not surprisingly, there are multiple"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "questions within that question. I'll be"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "as concise as I can. Uh, part of this"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "we're dealing with language. The word"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "intention means different things to"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "different people."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": ">> A lot of the answer is is in how"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "intention is defined by the person"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "asking the question."}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "And there's a a difference. There's a"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "distinction. When we intend something,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "more often than not, there is no"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "outcome. It's open-ended. So, we can"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "intend that we're going to be abundant."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "We can intend that our perfect mate is"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "manifesting for us in our lives. And to"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "the universe, the universe is very"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "literal. Nature interprets that very"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "literally. And if you say, \"I intend for"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "this to happen,\" the universe will say,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "\"Okay, you can intend and intend and"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "intend and intend.\""}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "But there's no outcome. There's no way"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "for that intent to become manifest on"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "the one hand. On the other hand,"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "when we come from"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "the sense"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "that whatever it is that we're hoping to"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "have in our world is already in place,"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "when we begin with the outcome, this is"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "so powerful and it's so subtle. This is"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "a a form of prayer that was lost in the"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "4th century when it was edited out of"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "the modern Christian text by by the"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "church in in the 4th century. And we see"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "this form of prayer in the edited books"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "such as the Gospel of Thomas where we're"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "told to begin with the outcome as if"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "it's already happened. Begin with the"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "healing, claim the healing, give thanks"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "for what's already there. And people"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "say, \"Well, am I fooling myself if I do"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "that? If if I'm giving thanks for"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "something I don't see.\" And the answer"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "is no. And here's the reason why. We are"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "quantum beings as well as linear"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "mechanistic beings. We live in both"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "worlds. On the quantum level, all"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "possibilities already exist. Perfect"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "mate already exists. Perfect abundance"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "already exists. Perfect healing already"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "exists. What we do, and this is again,"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "I'm probably not even doing it justice"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "in this brief period of time. When we"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "through our heart brain harmony, so"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "think about this, the electrical and"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "magnetic fields of the heart and the"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "brain, the heart is 5,000 times more"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "powerful magnetically than the brain."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "And it's at least a hundred times more"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "powerful electrically than the brain."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "When you combine these together, what"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "we're doing, you can think of it this"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "way, we are literally through heartb"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "brain harmony, we are reaching in to the"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "soup, the quantum soup of all"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "possibilities."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "And the possibility that is nebulous and"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "moving around, we are collapsing it."}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "We're claiming it. We're pulling it out"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "of that soup to make it real. So the"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "example that I gave of my native friend"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "creating rain in the high desert of"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "northern Mexico."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": ">> The rain existed in the in the quantum"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "possibility. He claimed it through his"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "senses. He felt the feeling as if he"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "were standing in the mud. He smelled the"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "smells of the rain coming off of the"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "walls of his pueblo village as well as"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "feeling the feeling of gratitude for the"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "rain that's already happening. And in"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "that way, these are the words that we"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "use for the inner technology, the"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "quantum technology to collapse"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "the waves of possibilities into the the"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "particle world of something actually"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "happening. So the answer is yes."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": ">> No, there that is the distinction"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "between intention"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": ">> uh and again this is part of the problem"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "with the way many people are taught to"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "do affirmations. Affirmations are"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "powerful. they're good"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": ">> and an affirmation"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "uh has to be given a way to resolve"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "itself. So the resolution comes in the"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "outcome. So if you say I'm ready, I am"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "now ready to manifest my perfect"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "partner. The universe will say okay"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "you're ready and you're ready now and"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "you're ready tomorrow and you're ready."}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "You can be ready for a bajillion years"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "because there's no outcome. Does that"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "make sense if I say it that way?"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": ">> Absolutely. So the quant the difference"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "in quantum rather than saying you're"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "open to something you're claiming as if"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "it has already occurred. So in the words"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "of the master Jesus not from a religious"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "perspective but as as a masterful"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "teacher what he told his students was be"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "surrounded by your desire be surrounded"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "by your joy so that it can be fulfilled."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "The only way to be is for it to have"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "already happened to feel the feelings as"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "if it's already there. And this is so"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "we're talking about the power of human"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "emotion to bring an internal technology"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "of quantum manifestation"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "uh into reality in our physical world."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "And we're trying to do it in a couple of"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "minutes."}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:32", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": ">> On this Q&A,"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": ">> it makes me think so the editing out of"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "the almost the key there's like these"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "key words. So I wonder if it's a bit of"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "telephone happening when they get"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "reinterpreted or if it's more they"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "intentionally know that if you ask"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "in knowing that it will be it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "a hard thing to understand."}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": ">> As a scientist I can only speculate on"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "that. I'll say that the impact of"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "removing this from our most cherished"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "and sacred spiritual text of twothirds"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "of of the religious world uh the the the"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "two billion"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "plus uh Christians and and"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Judeo-Christian traditions"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": ">> is the net effect is that people were"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "left feeling powerless and helpless in a"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "world where they actually have the"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "ability not to control and not to man"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "but to influence and tip the scales of"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "balance in their favor. Uh and for me"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "that makes all the difference in the"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": ">> Absolutely. And Daniellea C wants to"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "know a little bit more about this. So"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "this is another long question and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "really well written so I will read it"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "out."}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": ">> She says, \"If a group of people have the"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "intention and the power to emanate a"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "peaceful feeling that may condition"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "those within their radius in a positive"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "way like decreasing episodes of crime"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "and violence, for example, presumably"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "there's also the possibility to do the"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "same with negative intentions in order"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "to achieve the exact opposite. If this"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "is a potential reality, it is also"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "presumable that powerful stakeholders"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "may have used these tactics to obtain"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "the public support for acts of war,"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "economic maneuvers, etc."}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "Without going into too much conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "theory, how can we recognize those"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "feelings which are not our own?"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:21", "text": ">> Well, that's that's a different"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "question. So, let me do this. I'm going"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "to back off"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:25", "text": ">> rather than being that specific. Let me"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "say in general,"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": ">> okay,"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": ">> because I get this question a lot. Um,"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "if we can feel the feeling and create"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "good things, can other people feel the"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "feelings and create bad things? That"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "that's the essence. Would you agree? Is"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "that the essence of the question?"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": ">> I agree."}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:39", "text": ">> Nature has built in a fail safe, which"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "is so awesome when you think about this."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "And and here's the way it works."}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "Whatever it is that we claim, whatever"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "it is that we create, we will experience"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "in our own bodies, in our own selves, in"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "our own existence before it ever becomes"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "manifest in the world around us."}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:02", "text": ">> So if we are beings of cooperation,"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "peace, love, and healing, what a"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "beautiful thing for us not only to"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "choose that for the world, but for us to"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "claim it for ourselves as well. If we"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "are"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "in my estimation abusing this power to"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "create harmful things for other people,"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "we will experience that harm and it will"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "destroy us before it will ever have the"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "impact that many people are concerned"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "about in the world around us. Nature's"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "fail safe."}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:33", "text": ">> So,"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:34", "text": ">> does that make sense if I answer that? I"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "want to be brief. I want to be concise."}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": ">> No, it is. And"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "basically, we create our own feelings so"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "we can tell if they're our own or not."}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "Well, if the question is, is this"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "feeling my own? This is the power of"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "harmonizing the heart and the brain. any"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "experience. This is this a beautiful"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "question of where we've been taught to"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "feel disempowered"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "when in fact we are empowered to go in"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "and ask specifically these kinds of when"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "there's no one else to ask when there's"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "no book to ask and everybody I have"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "friends who have health issues and every"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "one of their friends is giving them"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "advice that's different and they're"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "pulled in a million directions. drink"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "this, uh, you know, smoke this, uh, wear"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "one of these crystals, you know, eat"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "this much. They're all good for some"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "things, but how do you know what's right"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "for you? Nobody can tell you. And this"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "is one of those times where nobody can"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "tell you. This is where you harmonize"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "the heart and the brain. You go into"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "your heart wisdom and you ask, \"What's"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "right for you in this moment?\" Part of"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "my heritage is Cherokee, southeastern"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "Cherokee. And there's a word for what"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "we're talking about. It's called"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "Shantaea. Shantaeisha means the single"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "eye of the heart. The eye that knows"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "what's right for you in this moment. Not"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "for your neighbor, not for your parents,"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "your sibling. Only for you in this"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "moment. And this question is a perfect"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "example. If you want to know what it is"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "that you're hearing, go into your heart"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "and ask. And you're empowered to do"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Yes. Thank you."}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": ">> Let's talk about the amazing doctors in"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "China that healed the tumor. So Javier"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "you wants to know have you learned to"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "heal yourself with the power of belief"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "as seen with the tumor with all the"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "doctors surrounding the one lady?"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": ">> My answer is it goes beyond belief. Um"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "it is claiming there's there is the"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "belief that it's possible and then"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "there's the claiming it in our lives."}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "What I showed in the film these were"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "Chiang masters and I studied with the"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "man that made the film. So I've"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "experienced personally and I have"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "applied it in in my own life and I've"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "talked about in some of my books and"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "programs. It is quantum healing and we"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "can answer this now because of the"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "previous questions. What they are doing"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "in that film is an example of what we"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "spoke about three questions ago of"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "reaching into the quantum field of all"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "possibilities. claiming the one that has"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "already happened"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:55", "text": ">> and with the power of those three"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "practitioners who are attuned to the"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "human energy field and to the what we"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "would call the chronic energy field uh"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "of making that possibility a reality in"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "the missing link series I showed the"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "film where we could see with an"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "ultrasound a sonogram inside the body of"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "a living woman whose condition changed"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "in 2 minutes and 40 seconds. What you"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "were seeing in that 2 minutes and 40"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "seconds is how quickly that quantum"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "possibility can replace an existing"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "possibility because it's all it's all"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "quantum. Have I applied it my own life?"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "I'll just be very candid. The answer is"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "yes. In the year 2000"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "at a routine medical exam, uh I was told"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "I had something inside my body that"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "shouldn't be there in my bladder after"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "I've been seeing this film for years in"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "front of live audiences. Uh, and I"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "needed surgery. And I said, \"Give me two"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "weeks.\" And I applied everything that"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "I've ever learned, but still I had that"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "little doubt that we often have"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": ">> and I said, \"How do I know if it's if"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "it's real?\" I went to the Mayo Clinic in"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "Jacksonville, Florida, and actually"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "underwent what we thought was going to"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "be a procedure. And I was anesthetized."}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "And when I woke up, the doctor was"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "saying to me, \"Why are you here?\" And I"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "said, \"Well, what do you mean?\" and he"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "said, \"There's nothing to remove."}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "There's no sign that it was. There's no"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "redness. There's no scarring. Why?\" And"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "he was trying to figure out why his team"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "was working on somebody that didn't need"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "to be worked on. I was anesthetized. So,"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "I was trying to explain to him about"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "quantum healing and uh medicineless"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "hospital in Beijing, China. As he would"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "turn to walked out the door because"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": ">> there's nothing in his belief system"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "that where that would fit. So the answer"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "is I have applied it my own life and and"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "I do uh I rather than trying to apply it"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "I try to live it. I do my very best and"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "I'm a student. I'm learning. I'll I'll"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "learn till my last day on earth. But I"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "think the best we can do is is not to"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "discount the wisdom of those who have"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "come before us. Uh but to embrace it"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "where it makes sense. Marry it with the"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "best science of the modern world to be"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "the best people that we can be."}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": ">> Love it. Thank you. That's awesome. And"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "I love that you said that you're always"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "learning. I heard a quote the other day"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "that"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "teachers always have teachers. It"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "doesn't stop there. There's always"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "another level. So, it's beautiful. A"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "little bit more about 3D reality. So,"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "she's she or he says, \"I'm trying to"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "maintain a liftoff from the 3D reality."}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "I've stopped watching TV.\" So, the"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "question is, \"What vision can I maintain"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "in my mind of a future dimension?\" If"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "I'm understanding what's asked,"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "what vision DJ can maintain is the"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "vision that brings joy to his or her her"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "heart and it makes their soul sing. And"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "this is the beauty. We have personal"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "vision. We have collective vision."}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:55", "text": ">> Uh I couldn't possibly tell this"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "individual what vision to hold. And I'm"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "not sure when they talk about a"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "dimensional reality, I'm not sure"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "exactly where the question fits into"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "that. So I may not be doing justice to"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "this question. Uh"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "we live in a three-dimensional world and"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "um and we're here. I mean that's that's"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "our reality. We also live in other"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "dimensions"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": ">> simultaneously. We go to sleep in our"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "dream states. We're you know we're in"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "other dimensions as well. Um and they're"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "all very real. There are indigenous"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "tribes that spend uh some that are in"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "Africa that spend more time in the dream"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "state than they do in the waking. They"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "wake up every once in a while to go to"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "the bathroom to get a bite to eat. Their"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "tribal business, their elders, uh their"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "uh their marriages, they're all arranged"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "in the dream state. If you and I were to"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "go in their tribe, we would look and"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "say, \"Oh, they're all sleeping.\" It's a"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "lucid dream. They've learned to stay"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "awake in their dreams. in that altered"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "state and they live much of their lives"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "in another dimensional reality. We tune"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "ours out and we tend to isolate one"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "reality or so it's it's an interesting"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "question. I'm not sure I've honored it"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "and done justice, but uh that's what I'm"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "understanding right now."}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": ">> I'm wondering if it's more about like"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "what type what what will you see in this"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "other dimension? What should you be"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "focusing on if you know that?"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": ">> Well, in what the evidence as a"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "scientist, I'm a trained scientist. What"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "the evidence suggests in the other"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "dimensions is we won't be seeing much of"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "anything because we won't use our eyes"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "the way we use our eyes. Now, we use our"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "eyes to interpret"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "signals uh of light because we've"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "separated ourselves from our world in"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "other dimensions. We're not that"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "separate. So, we become"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "uh the essence of that world. We're not"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "seeing it as separate."}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Let's talk about um Katherine's"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "question. Um and I'm happy that she"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "asked this question because I just think"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "as Gaia and a network, people feel"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "sometimes disconnected when the people"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "around them, you know, the people you"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "grow up with, and go to school with, go"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "to church with"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": ">> have different opinions about"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:10", "text": ">> the heart mind connection. So, let's"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "talk about her question. She says,"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "\"Waking up can be a lonely process for"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "many. Would you mind giving us your top"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "three most important things to do to"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "move forward once you have come into"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "your truth? It seems to be really easy"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "to get stalled by fear even when you're"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "aware that fear is just an illusion."}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": ">> I could give those very quickly. Live"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "your truth, believe in your truth, and"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "trust your truth."}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "What that means to me that that she's"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "asking for three the top three things"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "and those are the top three. Honest to"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "God, they just came to me right as she"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "was saying that. And I I think that's"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "the key. What I found is this."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "uh everyone is waking up um because"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "we're told that this world is a dream."}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "So we're waking up from a dream in some"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "sense. But just as we all wake up"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "differently in the morning from our bed,"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "we all wake up at different times in"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "different ways. And we can't possibly"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "judge when or how or to what degree"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "another person is awake because of"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "choices they make in one facet of their"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "lives may look to us like an unconscious"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "choice when another part of their lives"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "they may be so totally tuned in. So my"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "experience is the best that we can hope"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "to do is live our truths for ourselves."}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "And this is where the workshop of life"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "begins because it's easy to live your"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "truth when you're in a new age workshop"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "or you're isolated in a monastery in a"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "mountaintop halfway around the world."}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:38", "text": ">> Where the challenge comes, go to a"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "public school, go to your place of work,"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "your employment, your friends, your"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "family, uh, and live what you know to be"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "true in the presence of others"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "regardless of their beliefs or not. But"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "here's the key. To live it in a way"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "that's kind"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:57", "text": ">> to be kind to others, not critical, not"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "judgmental because someone else may not"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "see or think the same way. This is where"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "compassion comes in. But compassion is"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "the end of a sequence. First we must"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "have"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "uh sympathy. Then we must have empathy"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "to gain compassion. You cannot have"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "compassion without the empathy and the"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "sympathy. And we've got to be able, you"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "have to sympathize with someone else"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "who's having a difficult time."}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "That's recognizing the suffering."}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "Empathizing is feeling that suffering"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "with us with them. Compassion is the"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "ability to witness the suffering of"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "another without judging it and without"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "getting lost in the suffering. So this"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "is where those people, the very"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "situation that she's describing is our"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "greatest workshop because it's where we"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "learn to be and live our own truth in"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "the presence of a world that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "always support that truth. You know, a"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "place where I get this a lot. We have um"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "I hired well it was a consultant to come"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "in to some of our workshops uh because I"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "wanted to see who my audience was and"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "they did focus groups and things like"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "that and they compiled a beautifully"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "bound volume of pie charts and bar"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "charts of age groups and demographics."}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": ">> One of the things they found we have a"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "lot of young people that come with their"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "parents and sometimes three generations"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "with their parents and their"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "grandparents to our events."}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": ">> And the young people here's what they"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "say. They say Greg or Mr. Braden. I"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "said, \"Please call me Greg.\" I don't"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "know when I became a mister. I'm not"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "sure when that happened."}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "They say, \"It's easy to live the way"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "that you were talking about in this room"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "with these people because we all believe"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "the same thing.\""}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:45", "text": ">> But when I go to my school, nobody"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "thinks this way. And this is where a"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "young person will be tested. And this is"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "where, in my opinion, the parents can"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "give them the guidance and the strength."}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "If they know that what I call a"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "spiritual rock. If they know this their"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "spiritual rock is who they are in this"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "world and what their life is all about"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "because they've been through the guide"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "guidance of their parents have given"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "them those values. Then when they go"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "into a situation where that's not"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "supported it's not a problem for them."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "It's when they are vulnerable uh when"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "they're lost, when they don't have that"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "identity and they go to school and they"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "want to be with the in crowd with"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "they're doing you know the drugs or the"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "cyber bullying or or whatever it is they"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "don't know who they are. That's where"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "they become more susceptible to those"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "things. So the things that we're talking"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "about on a very spiritual level have a"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "very practical application in our lives."}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "When we know who we are, uh it's much"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "easier for us to live our truth."}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:44", "text": ">> Well, thank you. It's obvious that you"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "were drawn to the sciences"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": ">> for some reason. So, Cherry wants to"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "know, \"How and when did it occur to you"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "personally that all these aspects of"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "history, spirituality, and science were"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "all connected?\""}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": ">> Well, that's a big question. I um"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "uh I answer I've answered this some of"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "the social media interviews that we've"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "had. Um and I it's no secret to our"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "audience. Uh I I come from a very"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "dysfunctional alcoholic family. Father"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "was alcoholic. Um he left our family"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "when I was 10. Science and music were"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "the refuge for me. Uh in that order I"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "became a scientist uh at the age of"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "five. Didn't have a degree obviously. Uh"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "so science has always been a very"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "powerful played a very powerful role in"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "in my life. And I've been drawn I knew"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "from the time I was 5 years old that I"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "would be a geologist and and I was. I"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "also thought I might be a rock star and"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "I'm still thinking about that one. But"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "the the role of science, the reason I"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "think it's important uh is because"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "science is is a language. Uh it's only"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "one language. It's a way of interpreting"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "our world and for us to make the kind of"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "changes that we all hope for in the"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "world to to have the cooperation and the"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "peace, the the sharing uh and the"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "equitable kind of world we have. We've"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "got to think differently than we ever"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "have before. And people I think are"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "willing to do that if they are given a"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "reason. Uh science is a neutral"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "language. It's not charged with"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "religious connotations or with new age"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "connotations. So science is a way of"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "honoring my audience through what I've"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "come to understand. Uh I began at 5"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "years old. I formalized it with my"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "degree later on. But I also want to be"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "really clear. Science doesn't have all"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "the answers. Science is new. It's only"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "300 years old. Spirituality is over"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "5,000 years old. that we've had"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "spiritual understandings. So, I think we"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "owe it to ourselves to draw upon every"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "iota of information that's available to"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "us today because we're in uncharted"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "territory in in our world to draw upon"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "everything to be honest, truthful, and"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "factual with the material that's real."}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "Hang on to it. With the stuff that's not"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "real, let it go. That comes to healing."}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "That comes to peace. That comes to to"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "free energy. It comes to medicine. All"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "those things. and allow the science and"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "the spirituality to come together to"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "marry the two into a wisdom that's"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "greater than science could ever be alone"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "or that spirituality could be on its own"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "to give us the evolutionary edge to"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "thrive to thrive not just survive thrive"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "in the new world that's at our doorstep"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "right now"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:23", "text": ">> I'm just so thankful for science to help"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "back these spiritual facts really"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:29", "text": ">> well science can help us know what"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "what's real and what's not and if it's"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "not real let's stop doing it"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:33", "text": ">> the lost gospel of Thomas is powerful"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "ful because it is believed to be the"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "actual words of Jesus as he was teaching"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "those around him how to use the power of"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "human emotion in his life. I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "share two of these images with you."}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "We said earlier"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "to unleash the force of the divine"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "matrix in our lives. First we have to"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "understand how it works and the science"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "tells us how it works."}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "Secondly, we must speak the language"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "that the divine matrix recognizes. And"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "science cannot tell us that. That comes"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "from our past, from our culture, from"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "our history, from those who have learned"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "and used this language for thousands of"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "years. So, this is what we're doing"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "right now. We're learning what did Jesus"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "and what did the great masters say about"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "this this language? because it's the"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "same whether you're talking Buddhist or"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "Hindu or Christian pre-Christian"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "traditions. They're all telling us that"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "there is a field of energy and that we"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "have the language to use that field."}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "This is an actual page out of the Gospel"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "of Thomas. So, we know that this this"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "ancient gospel actually existed. And you"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "can you can see some of the letters."}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "These are Greek letters. You can"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "actually read some of if you know Greek,"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "you can see some of the Greek letters"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "right here"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "in the Gospel of Thomas. Two very"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "important keys."}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "This was written right around 300 uh"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "years after the time of Jesus"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "in this gospel. Okay, so here here's"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "what we're doing. We've been in the"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "Buddhist monasteries in Tibet and"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "they're telling us that we must that"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "feeling is the prayer. one, two, that we"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "must feel as if"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "our prayers have already been answered."}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "Okay? And now we're in an Egyptian"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "monastery with the texts that used to be"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "our tradition before they were edited."}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "And we're going to look at the"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "instructions that tell us how to do"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "You okay if we do that? Is that good?"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "Gospel of Thomas. If you have a copy of"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "the Gospel of Thomas, this is verse 106"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "translated from the Ng Hamadi library."}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "And if you do not have a copy, it's in"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "our books. Uh, and you can you can go to"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "any library and pick this up. Verse 106."}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "Look at what the Lost Gospel of Thomas"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "says. It says, \"When you make the two,"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "thought and emotion one.\""}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "So the gospel of Thomas is talking about"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "thought and emotion. It's saying when"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "you make your thought and your emotion"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "one, look at what happens."}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "You will say to the mountain, \"Mountain"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "Mountain, move away.\" And the mountain"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "will move away."}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "It's saying that when you can marry your"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "thought and your emotion into one single"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "potent force,"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "that is when you have the power to"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "speak."}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "Let's go back to the Gospel of Thomas"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "another verse. Now, this is verse 48."}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "It says almost the same thing. This was"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "so important that it was recorded at"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "least three different times in the same"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "gospel. Look at what this says."}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "If the two make peace with each other in"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "this one house, when Jesus is talking"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "about the house or the temple, what is"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "he talking about?"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "What is he talking about precisely? You"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "you are the house. You are the temple."}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "If the two make peace with each other in"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "this house, if thought and emotion"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "become one, if they make peace with each"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "other in this house, look what happens."}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "They will say to the mountain, \"Move"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "away.\" And it will move away. He's"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "telling us again"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "in a completely different verse how"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "powerful it is to marry thought and"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "emotion."}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "But they still haven't told us how. How"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "do you do this? That's the next piece."}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "In the early Christian Bible,"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "your Bible today, there is a passage,"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "how many have heard, \"Ask and ye shall"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "receive.\" Have you heard that before?"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "Ask and you shall receive. Have you"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "heard that?"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:24", "text": ">> I know people that ask and ask and ask"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "and nothing happens"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "because the asking is not done with the"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "voice."}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "The asking is not done. Please, please"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "bring this to my world. That's not"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "asking. To ask, we must speak to the"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "field, to the divine matrix in the"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "language"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "that the field recognizes"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "and a language that's meaningful. The"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "field doesn't recognize our voice. It"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "recognizes the power of our heart."}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "Remember this morning, our heart, we"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "have a feeling, creates electrical"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "waves, magnetic waves. That's the"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "language the field recognizes."}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "So when you create the feeling in your"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "heart as if your prayer is already"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "answered,"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "that creates the electrical and the"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "magnetic waves that bring that answer to"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "you. And you're going to see this in"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "just a moment."}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "Ask and ye shall receive."}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "While we still have this"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "passage in our text in the Bible that"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "you have today, the King James version,"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "John"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "16:23:24,"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "what you have is the condensed version."}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "You have the edited version."}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "The edited version looks like this."}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "This is the edited version. Whatsoever"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "ye ask the Father in my name, he will"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "give it to you, hitherto have ye asked"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "nothing in my name."}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "Okay?"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "Ask and ye shall receive that your joy"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "may be full."}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "Okay, this is the edited version. This"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "is so amazing to me because they took"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "out the two sentences that tell us how"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "to ask."}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "In the 4th century when the edits"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "happened, they took those two sentences"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "out. Would you like to see those two"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "original sentences?"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:42", "text": ">> Okay, we'll go back into the original"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "Aramaic and we'll look at a new"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "translation."}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "This is the original Aramaic. It begins,"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "it looks very similar. So this is the"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "re-ransated version with the missing"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "pieces."}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "All things that you ask straightly"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "directly from inside my name, you will"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "be given. It says, so far you've not"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "done this"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "because if we ask with our voice, we"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "have not done this. Now, here's the"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "piece that was edited. Here is what was"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "lost. Look at these two very powerful"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "sentences."}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "Ask without hidden motive and be"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "surrounded by your answer. Be enveloped"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "by what you desire that your gladness be"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "full. Look at what it's saying. It's not"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "saying to speak a word. It's saying to"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "be surrounded to feel as if. If you are"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "surrounded, you are feeling as if"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "your answer has already happened. Be"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "enveloped."}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "If you want the perfect relationship in"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "your life, if you want the healing in"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "the body of your loved ones, feel the"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "feeling of what it is like as if that"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "has already happened. be enveloped by"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "what you desire because that is when"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "your thought in your emotion become one."}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "You think the thought of the healing in"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "your loved ones and you feel the love of"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "that thought. They become one and that"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "is the language that this field"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "recognizes. Does that make sense? Are"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "you okay with that?"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "You're going to see an example of this,"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "another example here in just a moment."}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "Ask without hidden motive. What does"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "that mean? Hidden motive. Ask without"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "judgment."}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "This is precisely what the Buddhists are"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "telling us. Ask without the judgment"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "of the right or the wrong or the good or"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "the bad. Ask without the ego. Ask from"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "the heart. Let me give you an example"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "then. Because to be, if it says be"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "surrounded, that means to feel as if. To"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "feel as if."}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "Now, if that sounds too religious"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "because it's from the Bible, the the"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "philosopher Neville early in the 20th"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "century, his book, The Power of"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "awareness, look at what he says. It's"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "the same thing. Neville says, \"You must"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "make your future dream a present fact.\""}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "Now"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "by assuming the feeling of your wish"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "fulfilled"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "to come from the place that it's already"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "happened."}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "Now this is what those practitioners did"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "with that cancerous tumor. I want to"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "just elaborate on this a little bit."}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "They did not judge the cancer is wrong"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "or bad or right or good. There was no"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "judgment."}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "They accept that tumor as a possibility,"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "one of many possibilities because in the"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "quantum world all things are possible."}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "So they didn't say bad cancer, you must"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "go away"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "or we're going to operate on you or"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "we're going to use radiation on you."}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "They didn't do that. They accepted the"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "cancer as it was"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "without hidden motive, without judgment."}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "And they said, \"Now we're going to"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "choose a new reality"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "by feeling assuming the feeling"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "as if the woman is already healed.\" So"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "what they did was they felt the feeling"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "as if the woman was fully healed, fully"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "enabled, fully capacitated already"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "happened. And the the chant that they"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "were using wasa wasa loosely translates"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "into the words already done."}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "Already done."}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "And then when they got excited they said"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "mate mate mate means now. Now now. Not a"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "year from now. Not a month from now. Not"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "5 minutes from now. Now in the quantum"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "world now."}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "And her body responded. It must"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "physical reality must respond to the"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "language that it understands."}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "So in the Buddhist traditions they are"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "telling us the quality of the feeling"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "and in the Judeo-Christian traditions"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "they are giving us the instructions to"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "be surrounded to be enveloped how to"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "create that feeling. And when you put"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "those all together,"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "it's something that happens in our"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "hearts, not in our minds."}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "Feeling as if the prayer is already"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "answered with no judgment and no ego."}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "And feeling from the result. Feeling"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "from the result, as if it's already"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "happened. Are there any martial artists"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "here in the room? Karate experts?"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "I studied martial arts uh when I was in"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "my 20s and 30s a little bit. in my 40s"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "and 50s."}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "Have you seen martial artists when they"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "demonstrate their focus by breaking a"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "concrete block? Have you seen that?"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "You've all seen that before, right?"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "Okay. Here's the secret. Here is the"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "secret to breaking that block. When the"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "martial artist is focused on that block,"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "the very last thing that they are"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "thinking is about their hand hitting the"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "block."}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "Because if they think about that, they"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "know it will hurt."}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "So they focus on what happens after"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "their hand has passed through the block"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "as if it has already happened. They"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "focus on a place below the block"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "and feel the feeling as if their hand is"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "already in that place."}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "That is a metaphor. That is an"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "equivalent for what we're doing with the"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "power of emotion."}]

[{"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "I'm Uri Geller and this is my legacy."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "[Applause]"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "I would describe myself or Geller as a"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "person that actually shocked the world"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "with something quite trivial and"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "surprising."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "You see, I always say that the secret of"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "success is originality."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "And I came up with something original,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "something that was never seen before. So"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "I really shocked the world with that"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "feet."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "I look at myself as someone maybe a"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "freak of nature, maybe"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "a little advanced ahead of my time,"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "maybe something that triggered"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "my mind power."}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "My mental abilities began at a very"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "early age."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "First of all, very few people know this,"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "but when I was about a year old, my"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "mother put me in a pram under a window."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "At that time in Israel, it was Palestine"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "and the British were the rulers in"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Israel, in Palestine. And a British"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "soldier"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "shot two bullets into our window from"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "across the railroad station. And I"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "remember that. I remember the glass"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "shattering"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "falling slow motion onto my face. There"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "was a little teddy bear that covered my"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "face and nothing happened to me. I"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "wasn't even scratched. So maybe that was"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "a shock. Maybe that was a actual"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "trigger."}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "The second experience that happened to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "me that"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "definitely falls into the category of a"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "shock"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "is the following. I'm about 5 years old."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "I'm playing in an Arabic garden, magical"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "garden, and I heard kittens cry. And as"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "a five-year-old, I'm I'm looking for"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "them."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "Suddenly, out of nowhere,"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "I see a huge"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "sphere of light. It's strobing. It's"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "almost like a living entity, but it was"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "just a sphere,"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "a ball of fire."}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "I look at this phenomena and then I can"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "see with my eyes a beam almost. I"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "describe it today as a laser beam. It"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "hits my forehead and it was so tangible,"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "it's so powerful that it pushes me into"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "the grass. When I'm asked today what I"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "think that was, I have a few theories."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "Let's talk about the most rational one"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "that it was some kind of a geopysical"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "phenomena. You know, sometimes the earth"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "releases different"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "gases and"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "who knows, but they form bubbles and and"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "so forth. Maybe that was a very simple"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "sc has a simple scientific explanation."}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Next theory that"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "it could have been a spiritual"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "encounter,"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "something to do with"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "religion, maybe something to do with my"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "belief system,"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "something that I created with my mind,"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "but it was tangible. It was there. I"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "could touch it."}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "The third theory is the most far out one"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "that I really had an alien encounter. I"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "did not see an alien being. I didn't see"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "the grays with the big eyes. I saw the"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "sphere. But after I told this story over"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "and over, I get thousands of emails from"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "people telling me we had the same"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "encounter."}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Very soon after this encounter in this"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "magical Arabic garden, I'm eating soup."}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "I'm lifting a spoon up towards my mouth."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "Suddenly the spoon bends"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "and breaks."}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "Then I thought to myself, hang on,"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "spoon. Can I do it again"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "and again? So I tried it in school and I"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "tried it and I showed it to my mother's"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "friends. Everyone was shocked,"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "surprised, amazed, a gasast and say what"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "is this? That's when I realized"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "that I had something something different"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "something unique. My friends in school"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "pupils they were good in basketball they"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "were good in soccer they they were good"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "in arithmetic."}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "I was very average, but I was good at"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "bending spoons and"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "reading minds. And the re the way I"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "discovered that I could read minds was I"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "was not not good in mathematics in"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "arithmetic."}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "So I could concentrate on the back of a"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "pupil's head and I would copy the"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "answer. The teacher didn't know how he"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "got the answer right when the equation"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "was wrongly written."}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "Then I could look at the clock on the"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "wall willing to move an hour ahead. So I"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "I started discovering things that I"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "could do at a very early age."}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "Later on in life, I I I had to label"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "myself"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "uh and and o of course I had to always"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "reinvent myself."}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "And today I look at it as um the"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "phenomena I I I see it as the field of"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "the paranormal."}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "There is a section of it that is mind"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "over matter, psychokinesis."}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "telepathy,"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "the ability to do extra sensorial"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "perception, but it was always"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "controversial."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "Um, as I was growing up, um,"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "I used my extra sensory perception, for"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "instance, to make my mother win in card"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "games. She would take me to a little"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "card club. She would play Remy and I"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "would sit next to her and I could look"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "at the cards of the other players, which"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "obviously you can't see, but I always"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "knew I detected who had the Joker or who"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "who had two jokers, and I would kick my"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "mother's leg to tell her which person"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "had the Joker. in a way was kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "cheating but I I could do that"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "telepathically and my mother would win"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "quite a lot of money which would help"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "our existence because she had to she was"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "the earner and in the family my father"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "wasn't around."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "Then my parents divorced and my mother"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "married a Hungarian Jew who lived in"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "Cyprus. I was 11, didn't know English."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "So I left Israel and suddenly a whole"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "new culture opens up. Different"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "religions, Turks, Greeks, the British"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "also occupied Cyprus at that time. We're"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "talking about 1957."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "And my school was called Terasanta"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "College. It was up on a hill and around"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "the school there were hundreds of caves"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "and we would go down into the caves to"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "explore. And I remember on a few"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "occasions"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "we got lost and I would use my mental"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "powers to lead the kids out of the out"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "of the caves. So I would use these"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "abilities in different areas. I don't"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "know what it was. Maybe it was doussing."}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "Maybe it was using my"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "my extra sensory perception waves almost"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "like a sonar."}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "Now my stepfather died a year after my"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "mother married him and we left running"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "this little hotel which had 14 rooms."}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "The MOSAD, the Israeli Secret Service"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "discovered that we are from Israel and"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "they turned this hotel"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "into a Mossad safe house"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "and there would be Mossad agents, spies."}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "They would check in and from there they"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "would go to spy, you know, in in Syria,"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "Egypt. One day I approached one of these"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "agents. I must have been 12. His name"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "was Yo Shakam. And I told him, \"Yo,"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "you're you're a spy, aren't you?\" He"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "was, \"What? What are you talking about?"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "How do you know? Why are you saying"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "these things?\" To make a long story"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "short, he I became at 12 years of age, a"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "spy for Israel. I said before that the"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "secret of success is originality. And"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "there's nobody who did spoon bending"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "before me. And how did that come about?"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "Very interesting."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "I was on a major television show on the"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "BBC"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "in 1972."}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "It it was called the David Dimilby Show."}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "And I'll tell you how it it came about."}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "I'm sitting around me, skeptical"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "scientist, and Davidby hands me a spoon"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "and he says, \"Show us your powers.\""}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "And I hold a spoon"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "and suddenly I do something that I've"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "never done before. I look into the"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "camera like this and I hold up this"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "spoon and I say, \"Everybody at home, go"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "and get your spoons.\" I didn't realize"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "that I sent 10 million people to the"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "kitchen. Everybody came back to the TV"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "screens holding a spoon because no one"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "could fathom believe that spoons are"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "going to bend in their own homes, in"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "their living rooms in Scotland, in"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "Wales, in England, in I mean, and this"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "is what happened. I'm reminding you what"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "happened on that show. I hold a spoon"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "and I stroke it very gently and I look"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "at it and I say bend,"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "melt,"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "bend,"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "melt and look the metal is becoming"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "almost like plastic. Plastic in no heat"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "is produced. I say bend,"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "melt, bend. And look. And then I went"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "like that and the spoon broke."}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "Bend,"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "melt, melt, bend,"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "melt, melt."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "Do you know what happened the instant"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "the spoon broke on the BBC?"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "The BBC's telephone system"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "blows up."}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "Not because of me, not because of my"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "energies,"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "but because spoons"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "were bending in people's homes."}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "When the phone calls were coming in at"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "that time, the system couldn't take a"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "100,000 calls at at the same moment. And"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "the phenomena was huge. Not only spoons"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "bent, but watches stopped, watches"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "moved. Um, pictures tilted on the walls,"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "lights flickered. This was a mass"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "phenomenon all over England."}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "The next day, the headline screamed, \"Ur"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "Geller puts England in a bend.\""}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "My introduction into the CIA or to the"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "CIA was an interesting process and I"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "have to go back in time"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "for you to understand"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "what made the CIA interested in my"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "powers. It started with a MOSAD."}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "I started performing in Israel in 196"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "end of ' 68 1969"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "and I was introduced to u generals who"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "actually came to see my shows in uh"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "house parties"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "in private parties and so on and"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "everyone was amazed and um I was"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "approached by a general"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "and he asked me what else can I do with"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "my mind."}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "This is a segment of my life that I"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "cannot really talk about but I can tell"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "you that I worked for Mossad."}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "The information I used to bring back to"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Israel's secret agency was so precise"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "that they wanted to know how I do it."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "How does the human mind, how does it"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "create a possibility, a doorway for me"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "to be able to bring information that"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "otherwise they couldn't? The MOSA"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "decided that they don't have the"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "ability, the computers, the electrodes,"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "the scientific departments to study Uri"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "Geller. So they pick up the phone and"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "call up the CIA because the CIA and"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "Mossad were working together for many"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "many decades and I guess they still do."}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "So they asked the CIA whether they they"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "would test me and of course the CIA"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "jumped on the idea because they were"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "very concerned. The CIA were concerned"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "that the Russians were ahead of them in"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "psychical research. Now the CIA already"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "got information about me and they make a"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "deal that the Mossad lets me go releases"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "me and I leave in 1972"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "straight to Paloalto, California to"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "Stanford Research Institute and that's"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "where Dr. Halpurov and Russell Tar and"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "Edgar Mitchell and all those scientists"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "who had very direct links to the CIA."}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "They set up the experiments with me. So"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "that was the beginning."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": ">> This film describes a fiveweek"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "investigation conducted at Stanford"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "Research Institute with Uri Geller, a"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "young Israeli. The film portrays"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "experiments that we performed with him"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "just as they were carried out. Each"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "scene has been taken from film footage"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "made during actual experiments. Nothing"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "has been restaged or specially created."}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:20", "text": ">> The experiments in Stanford Research"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "Institute conducted by these scientists"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "for the CIA and the American Defense"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "Department. They were all done under"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "controlled laboratory control"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "conditions. Actually, one of the"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "scientists, Russell Tarb, was a"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "magician. So he knew trickery and so on."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "They built a Farad cage or maybe they"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "already had a Farad cage at Stanford and"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "I sat in this Farad cage in this"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "shielded room and drawings were done"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "outside the room or uh in houses of the"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "experimenters"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "and I was not allowed to touch them and"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "I had to sit in that room with a marker"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "and paper and duplicate the drawings"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "that were inside the sealed envelopes"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "and I was 100% correct almost all the"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "time. Some drawings uh were"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "millimetrically the same size."}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "I explained it that I was so precise"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "because I had time on a stage not under"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "laboratory control conditions in a show."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "I don't have time. I can invest 2"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "minutes, two and a half minutes into a a"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "telepathic routine. Uh but there"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "trying to receive a drawing with extra"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "sensory perception I could sit for half"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "an hour. One of the most complicated one"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "was a bunch of grapes. They drew 24"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "grapes. I got 24 grapes. If you measure"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "the same the size of the uh grape it's"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "the same size. Really incredible. Then"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "they had very different drawings like"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "the devil which strangely enough call it"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "religious wise um mentally I couldn't"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "get the devil. What I did get are the"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "ten commandments"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "planet earth and a trident that the"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "devil was holding. I I mystified by"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "that. Uh there was another um drawing"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "which wasn't done by human beings. a"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "computer uh which probably was at the"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "basement of Stanford Research Institute"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "drew picked out a word out out of a"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "dictionary I believe that's to the best"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "of my recollection and he drew a kite"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "with a tail and I got it I got the kite"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "and they were amazed now while these"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "experiments were going on I managed to"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "affect the computers in the basement of"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "Stanford"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "the rumor is that I erased"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "computer tapes and that's when the CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "say what he can erase computer tapes"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "with his mind and then I did experiments"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "with floppy disc where I put my hand"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "over the floppy disc because there were"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "floppy discs then and I would erase the"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "information. This was vital for for the"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "CIA because later on I did erase"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "computer tapes uh that KGB agents were"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "taking out of uh Mexico City with secret"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "information. I'll talk about that in a"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "moment. But one very well um recorded"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "incident that happened inside Stamford"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "Research Institute in Palo Alto,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "California where scientists put a weight"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "on an electronic scale under a bell jar"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "so nobody can say that I blew on it or I"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "moved it and under"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "charts that measure movements precisely."}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "I made that way lose that weight lose"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "weight. I levitated probably and it's"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "all under control conditions and then"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "this is amazing."}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "We took a break from one of the"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "experiments"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "and I think it was Hal Puto um who is a"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "physicist and Russell Tago took me to"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "the canteen"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "of the of Stanford Institute and I was"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "eating ice cream and I put a scoop of"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "ice cream into my mouth and um"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "I I feel something metallic"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "in the ice cream so I spit it out onto"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "And Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut, picks"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "it up"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "and he says, \"This looks very familiar"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "to me. It was an arrowhead, a broken off"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "arrowhead.\""}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "As we walk in the corridor of Stanford"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "Research Institute, we all hear a clang"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "on the wall. back."}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "And on the floor falls"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "the second half of that object that I"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "found in the ice cream. And Ed picks it"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "up. You know, Ed walked on the moon. He"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "puts it together and he says, \"Oh my"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "god, this is my typing."}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "I lost it years ago on a beach in"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "Florida.\""}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "a a genuine dematerialization."}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": ">> Here is another double blind experiment"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "in which a dye is placed in a metal box."}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "Both box and die being provided by SRRI."}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "The box is shaken up with neither the"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "experimentter nor Geller knowing where"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "the dye is or which face is up. This is"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "a live experiment that you see. Geller"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "guessed that a four was showing."}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "You will note that he was correct and he"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "was quite pleased to have guessed"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "correctly. We decided at the outset to"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "carry out the dying box experiment until"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "we got to a million to one odds at which"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "time the experiment was terminated. Out"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "of 10 tries in which he passed twice and"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "guessed eight times, the eight guesses"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "were correct and that gave us a"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "probability of about one in a million."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "We would point out again there were no"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "errors in the times he made a guess."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "One scientist called Kid Green who was I"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "think the head of the scientific"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "department of the CIA in Langley,"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "Virginia uh could have told Kid Green"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "that I can see things from afar. And Kid"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "Green's uh reaction was no he can't and"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "Hal told him yes he can. And uh Kid"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "Green says well where is Uri Gallery?"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "And Halpov says Uri is right here. Now,"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "you must understand this is way before"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "Skype and FaceTime and mobile phones."}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "This is all,"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "you know, the oldfashioned black"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "telephones. And Kid Green says, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "okay. Um, I I got on the line with Kid"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "Green. I, by the way, while all this is"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "going on, I still don't know that this"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "is CIA stuff."}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "I think this is some colleague,"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "scientific colleague"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "um in the Washington area"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:33", "text": ">> and I picked up a book which is the same"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "book that I had on my desk at the time"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "of this phone call many many years ago."}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "This this book is a collection of"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "medical illustrations of the nervous"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "system and I had it on my desk"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "at the headquarters building because I"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "was using it for part of my work and I"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "opened it up to a page and I just stared"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "at it and he said, \"Well, seeing"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "something kind of strange.\" And I say,"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "well, I I start drawing things and I"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "throw them I crumple them up, throw them"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "in a dust bin until finally I get a"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "drawing which looked to me like"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "scrambled eggs. But very very strongly I"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "had the word architectural come into my"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "mind. Architectural"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "or architecture. So I write it on my"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "drawing above these scrambled eggs that"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "I drew the word architecture."}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "And that's it. So I delivered the"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "drawing out of the Farad cage or I I"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "can't remember where I did it. All I"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "know is that I was on the phone with"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "someone in the Washington area with a"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "scientist."}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": ">> Later got a copy of that drawing and I"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "was astonished to find that what he had"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "drawn maybe does look like scrambled"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "eggs but it was a section of the human"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "brain, a sagittal section from the side"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "of the human brain. But thing that"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "caught my attention was he had written"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "across the top of his drawing the word"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "architecture."}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "Architecture."}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "I had written in my handwriting the word"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "architecture of viral infection. I was"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "looking the biological warfare effect on"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "the nervous system of a threat virus."}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "And I'd written on my notes book"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "architecture of a viral infection"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:41", "text": ">> and I got it and that I believe"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "convinced kid green there's definitely"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "something here that has to be studied"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "and I think that a lot of money was"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "released to study uh paranormal uh"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "research, psychic research and to set up"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "remote viewing research."}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "one experiment"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "and I want to make it very clear that"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "I'm not going to name the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "service that asked me to do this."}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "They took me to a laboratory"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "was whitewalled"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "and in the middle of this room"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "stood a living pig, a huge pig."}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "And the scientists, two of them, looked"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "at me and said, \"Okay, we're going to go"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "out for coffee."}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "By the time we come back,"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "we want the pig dead. We want you to"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "stop its heart.\""}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "I was shattered, shocked."}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "I mean, I love animals."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "And that was one of the points of me"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "breaking away from science."}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "This was important for me to say because"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "I would never I never accepted dark"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "missions. I never accepted black"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "missions."}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "But if you put two and two together,"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "maybe they wanted me to stop the heart"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "of of Andropov, who was the head of the"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "KGB. Who knows? They wanted to see if"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "the human mind could stop a heart. And"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "why a pig? Because a pig has a very"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "similar heart to a human being."}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "Some missions"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "or most missions I can't even talk about"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "because this wasn't CIA wasn't the only"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "secret intelligence. It was MI5, MI6."}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "List goes on."}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "Now,"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "believe it or not, they wanted to see if"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "my mind can trigger a nuclear weapon."}]

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Uh others wanted us to"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "have limited powers."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Then you start getting into"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "move away from the religious texts and"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "you look at just historic documents from"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "Mesopotamia."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "Uh you look at the Babylonian creation"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "story, the Samrian texts, they're"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "telling a very similar story without the"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "religion. Uh and in place of Alohim,"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "they have words like Anunnaki and the"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "biblical texts of Nephilim. So different"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "stories uh essentially with the same"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "theme. that we're not from around here."}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "We are a hybrid uh form of life given"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "the potential of extraordinary abilities"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "when we accept the responsibility"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "uh that comes with having those"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "abilities. And it's it's kind of a it's"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "a chicken and an egg kind of thing. As"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "we accept and become"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "the word that they use is is our divine"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "potential. As we accept and embrace that"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "in our lives, the acceptance"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "is chemically what opens those"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "potentials in our lives and in our"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "bodies. And then we begin to age"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "differently. We begin to metabolize"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "differently. We begin to think"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "differently. uh we intuit it differently"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "and all of these"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> you think that's what's happening now"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": ">> I do I do I think that's exactly what's"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "happening I think it's happening to some"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "people there are are some who are"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "resisting but I think the conditions of"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "the world and this is this is where the"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "ancient civ comes in because as a"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "geologist what I can tell you is is on a"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "cyclic basis beginning in the center of"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "our universe there is a a valley of"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "information in the form of of cosmic uh"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "cosmic rays"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "that uh appear every 12 to 13,000 years"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "and that volley of information"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "pertabbates"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "disturbs the core of our planet and"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "sends us into shifts that force us to"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "change the way we think and the way we"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "live. So, so we've got a cosmological"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "clock and this is what I'm going to talk"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "about it in uh in Gaia by the way in"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "August ancient civ. We've got a cosmic"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "clock driving geoysical processes under"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "our feet that directly linked uh linked"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "to to the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "I hesitate to use the word but it's to"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "the consciousness and the biology. Uh"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "they're intimately linked together. So,"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "we have a lot of help. The bottom line"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "is we have a lot of help and we have"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "we're all at the precipice of a doorway"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "that's opening in front of us and"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "whether we choose to accept"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "uh our potential and step through that"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "doorway is is a personal choice and this"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "is where the suffering comes from. A lot"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "of people resisting we resist our power."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "That is where the suffering comes from."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "We're barreling down the path of a a"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "cyclic event that drives the kinds of"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "shifts and the paradigm shifts that that"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "forever change the world and life in the"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "And it's only now that we are"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "uh within the window of time and I can"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "say this within the window of time"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "geologically when these cycles have"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "occurred in the past. Cosmologically,"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "we're within the window of time. And"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "then we can look socially and"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "politically at the world. We can see"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "that the unsustainable systems are"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "buckling and collapsing. We're moving"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "towards some kind of a new paradigm. My"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "sense is that we don't want that new"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "world based on the hurt and the"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "suffering and the atrocities that we all"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "have seen in our lifetimes in the 20th"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "and now the 21st centuries. and and the"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "way to transcend that I think and this"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "is I think the message of everything"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "we're saying we are not what we have"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "been told and we are so much more"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": ">> we're we're more Robert than we have"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "probably even dared to allow our"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "ourselves to think about our our own our"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "own being and as we if we embrace not"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "even the whole picture just embrace a"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "little of that what that does it shifts"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "that trajectory away from a a future of"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "of suffering and war into an uncharted"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "future based upon the way we are"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "learning to think about ourselves"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "because all the tech AI nuclear weapons"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "you know genetic engineering crisper"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "whatever it is it's just tech it's not"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "good bad right or wrong it's the"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "thinking underlying how it's used and as"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "we embrace the deep truth of who we are"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "as a society and individ iduals that"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "will be reflected in the choices that we"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "make with that technology. That's how"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "you build a new world."}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": ">> So, who do you think we are? I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "interested to to hear your your feeling"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "on that. You know, what is the extent of"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "our"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "majesty and our our capacity and our"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "divinity?"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:42", "text": ">> Well, those are and your feeling."}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:43", "text": ">> Yeah, those are those are three"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "different qualities. I believe that we"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "uh what the evidence suggests"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "is that we are a hybrid species and that"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and if you what's fascinating, Robert,"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "when you look at some of these texts"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "that were left out, they described the"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "creation of the first human by the"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Alohim. And it wasn't a one-off. They"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "had multiple iterations of failures"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "before they achieved, and here's the"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "key, before they achieved"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "the chemical code that would hold the"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "light of a human soul in the physical"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "body. So, we are this hybrid"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "uh where we have godlike powers that"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "were given to us by a higher"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "intelligence. Uh and for the first time"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "those powers are imbued into a a"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "physicality that allows things that were"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "never allowed before. Sensuality in the"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "world and and the physicality of the"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "world. And I I think we are uh we're in"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "uncharted territory in terms of how we"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "how we embrace those powers in our"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "lives. It's not about leaving the world,"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "not about leaving the earth, but it's"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "about transforming ourselves and"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "transforming the world by embracing the"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "deep truth of of who we are. And uh and"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "that's the the point of every book that"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "I write and every talk that I give,"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "different facets of it, because it's a"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "big big story. A big story. And you're"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "doing the same. And I I love the way"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "that you come at this from uh as a"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "mathematician because those numbers"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "don't lie. I mean, the numbers are the"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "numbers. And in gamatria, when you might"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "have two words that look very different,"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "if they have the same the same number,"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "it means they're talking about the same"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "thing. Heaven and soul in Hebrew"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "gamatria, two different words, they have"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "the same number. They're talking about"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "the same thing."}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": ">> Now, which do you normally use? Hebrew"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "gamatria, do you use simple gamatria or"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "do you use Greek? Do you use all of"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "them?"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": ">> I I use all of them. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "interesting uh in the West when I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "deriving this message, I'll typically do"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "it from Hebrew because many people are"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "familiar with Cabala and things like"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "that. But when I'm in the Middle East,"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "if I'm in Cairo, I can do this in"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Arabic. And it's the same thing, exactly"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "the same thing in Arabic. or when I was"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "in the holy lands, I would do it both in"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "Hebrew and Arabic, showing that as"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "different as they believe they are from"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "one another, we need look no further"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "than the DNA in every cell of our bodies"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "to say that that the message is exactly"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "the same. I've never presented uh"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "anywhere where I needed to use cunia"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "form although it works and Sanskrit is"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "the it's I used to lead groups in the"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "Tibet uh 12 monasteries two nunneries"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "over 26 days and then the Tibetans when"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "they see this in their language of"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "Sanskrit um it it's more meaningful to"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "them because that is the language of"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "their of their traditions the the"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "original Sanskrit and it may very well"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "work in other languages. I haven't uh"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "we've life is"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": ">> probably does it probably works in all"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "languages somehow consciousness makes it"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "work"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:05", "text": ">> well I I think it it would work in"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "others I chose the these were what are"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "called the the root or the core"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "languages that linguists will typically"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "look at that from which other languages"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "are derived. So that was why I I looked"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "at those uh the four root languages. And"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "there are languages that we know that"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "we've used in the past that have been"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "lost. And there's a story about the"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "relationship between those languages and"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "the angles of light coming through uh a"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "four-sided pyramid of pure courts"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "creating the letters of those languages"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "in the shadows that are cast in the"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "concentric circles around them. So what"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "it says is there are languages. Our"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "languages are derived from the"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "relationship between light and the most"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "uh the the most stable form that we have"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "the pyramid uh in in this world and that"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "there are languages that were probably"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "part of this that have been lost in the"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "past. It maybe you know we've got 23"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "languages right now on planet Earth that"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "have been discovered and we have no idea"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "what they say. they have never been"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "deciphered. AI is helping with some of"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "those. The induce valley uh is one of"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "those and and they're using AI now to to"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "try to to help decipher that. But 23"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "languages, what what do those languages"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "tell us about our our past and our"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "relationship to the world that is"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "meaningful today? There's a lifetime of"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "of study for somebody right there. So is"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "it safe to say that"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "what you started off in saying that the"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Gnostic text it talks about how"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "humanity is basically you know we are"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "angels that forgot we were angels in a"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "way."}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": ">> Does that resonate for you? Well, in the"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "language in the language of that belief"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "system that resonates and and if for"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "those who are not biblically or"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "religiously inclined, we go to the"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "historic documents of Mesopotamia,"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "the Acadian text, Babylonian, Sumerian,"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "all inform. What they say is that we are"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "a hybrid alien if you want to use that"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "term or Anunnaki"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "uh blood. And and the texts actually say"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "that that one of their kind was"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "sacrificed to take their body and and"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "mix it with earthly materials to become"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "who we are. We we are a hybrid. And that"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "Roland Emmerick in the uh the movie"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "Prometheus that is what is portrayed in"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "the very first scene is a being coming"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "to earth sacrificing his own body and he"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "drinks uh a substance his body"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "disintegrates his DNA goes into the"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "water and"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": ">> and we're off off to the races."}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": ">> So that's where that came from that that"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "very idea that we are a hybrid of a"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "higher intelligence. I I think what's"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "important is not to get hung up in the"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "weeds of the individual story because of"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "the baggage that comes with the stories."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:08", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": ">> If we look at the themes, all of them"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "say that we're not we've been told."}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "We're more than we've been led to"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "believe and that we uh we were imbued by"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "a greater intelligence with"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "extraordinary potentials that we are"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "only beginning to understand uh that are"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "available to us if we are willing to"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "accept those potentials. and then the"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "language that we wrap around that and if"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "we're willing to accept the"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "responsibility of living in the way that"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "those potentials uh allow us and the the"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "language that wraps around that I think"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "is where people get stuck."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": ">> So I guess the key takeaway I'm taking"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "away from this is that we are more than"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "we are led to believe"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "for sure."}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:55", "text": ">> Yeah. and that we have a future that is"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "continually evolving, but that we have"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "choices along the way in order to align"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "to that reality or to stick with a"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "reality that's more base and what we've"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "been."}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "We are at a crossroad where we have to"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "move into a future uh if we're going to"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "keep this world and and the life that we"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "have known in the past. I think there's"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "a bifurcation that's happening in"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "society. Two there are two parallel"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "societies that are emerging right now."}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "One aspect is all in on all of the tech"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "in the world and in their bodies."}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "Another one is going back to a simpler"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "way of life, going back to the basics,"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "but opening the door to deeper"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "potentials within themselves."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "Ultimately, I think we'll find a middle"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "ground."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:52", "text": ">> Um, I I think what we'll find, Robert,"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "is is we will accept technology in the"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "world and allow us to develop our own"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "inner technology, our own soft"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "technology of consciousness. And and I"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "think the conditions of the world are"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "driving us to do that now sooner than"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "later rather than just meandering down a"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "road of it happens when it happens. I"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "think in in some ways we're on there is"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "a cosmic clock. Uh and it's what I call"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "a sense of graceful urgency. Graceful in"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "the sense that we have the time that we"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "need to accept the truth of who we are"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "and live our lives differently. Urgent"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "uh in the sense if we're going to do it,"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "now is the time. The hardest thing for"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "me was to break that programming. And it"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "I didn't even realize how deeply the"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "programming ran until I began"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "looking for the code within the human"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "DNA. And the only way if if I was only a"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "geneticist, I would never find it"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "because I'd be looking only at at DNA."}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "And if if I was only a linguist studying"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "ancient cultures, I would never find it."}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "If I was only a chemist looking at the"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "stuff we're made of on the periodic"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "table, we'd never find it. You've got to"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "cross those traditional boundaries. And"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "man, it it sounds simple now, but it's a"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "hard thing to break that programming."}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "And I lost all credibility as a"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "scientist, you know, when I began to do"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "that. And and there's a point where you"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "have to say, uh, what is the price that"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "you're willing to pay?"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "uh and is it possible to follow your"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "passion with kindness"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "uh and hurting other people as as little"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "as possible? And and I think for me I I"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "I still look for that answer. But I"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "think that the only way we can answer"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "that is to be honest, truthful, factual,"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "and kind and say this is my calling."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "This is what what makes my soul sing. my"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "last day on earth if I left this world"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "and I didn't share what it is that I"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "have found here would I feel complete"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "within myself and if the answer is no"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "then you know where that that path is"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "leading and for other people it's not"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "their path so uh so it was it was uh"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "hard and it was worth it to me and it is"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "that passion uh I think that allowed me"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "to cross those traditional boundaries"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "lose my reputation"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "in the scientific community. I don't"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "publish white papers in the journal"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "Nature. I I could, but I don't do that"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "now because I I think it's we're at a"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "point where it's important to take the"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "information directly to our community"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "because the timeline is so brief. We're"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "in it. We're in this shift. The only way"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "out of it is to go through it. If you"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "wait eight or 10 years for a"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "peer-reviewed paper to catch up with"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "you, you know it's too"}]

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And so there"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "now is a a sense of specialness when a"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "computer program that they don't even"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "understand comes back and says, \"Hey"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "man, you were king of the world during"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Atlantis"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "because they need to hear that. They"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "need they need that kind of confirmation"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "bias.\" And a lot of other words come up"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "around AI. Is it conscious? Is it"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "sentient?"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "Hello my friends and welcome to What's"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "Up."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "It's really good to see you as well. We"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "I think missed a week uh last week and"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "there's there's so much going on in the"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "world we could talk about. Uh let me"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "just ask you, do you have a preference"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "in terms of where we go?"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "No. No. What's what's up?"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "I've just come home. I've been on the"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "road for a media tour on the west coast"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "of this big beautiful country of ours."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "And I I knew this was happening. I did"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "not know the extent to which it was"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "happening until I was out there with"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "with the people. AI and not just AI in"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "general, but the the sense that many in"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "our community, many in our genre have uh"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "that AI is somehow opening the door to"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "higher dimensional awareness"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "uh higher dimensional state spaces,"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "accashic records"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "uh and that these my concern is that so"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "many People are giving so much of their"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "power away to the AI. There's a"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "deception that's happening and it's an"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "it's an innocent deception because we"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "want to believe these things, John. But"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "what has become very apparent is how"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "little our community really understands"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "about what AI is and how it functions"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "and why it is impossible for some of"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "these things to happen the way they're"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "being portrayed. Okay, so that's that's"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "one issue. 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Uh and there are ways to"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "filters uh tests if you will that"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "determine the where the AI is able to"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "determine the emotional state or the"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "psychological state of an individual"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "before they they share this this ancient"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "wisdom with them. asked myself the same"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "questions and I'm always open to"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "different interpretations"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "uh of of what it is I'm looking at. Uh"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "this isn't happening in a vacuum."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "There's a larger context. We are living"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "in an era where there's a concerted"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "effort to remake our world, to remake"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "our society, and to remake our bodies."}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "One of those efforts is the concerted"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "effort to break the social bonds that"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "have always held our families together,"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "our community, our society, our nation,"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "and ultimately the the world at large."}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "And what um it's not so much that this"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "is happening, it's the way it is being"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "presented. 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So, this is where I'm just going"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "to back off a little bit and first talk"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "about humans. What what makes us"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "what makes us such a rare and special"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "form of life? Uh and and the scientific"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "community is really struggling with"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "this. Scientific community believes that"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "we exist entirely in our physical"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "presence. In the cells of our body is"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "where our consciousness is. And the"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "cells of our body is where our sentience"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "is. and the cells of our body is where"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "our soul, if you want to use that word,"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "really is. This is where science is"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "stuck because the experiments, the"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "scientific experiments are showing that"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "our cells are communicating with a field"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "of information that's not inside of our"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "bodies. literally the our DNA there was"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "a a journal the peer-reviewed journal"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "called the journal of soft computing"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "uh that came out uh just a couple of"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "years ago and and literally says that"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "DNA the DNA in our bodies is a fractal"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "antenna a three-dimensional fractal"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "antenna that means that we are an"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "antenna tunes information fractal means"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "that we're tuning to a lot of"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "information across a broad spectrum"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "Sperum of of uh of energy."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "The peer-reviewed journal of uh"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "alternative and complimentary medicine"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "literally says that there is and I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "going to just do this from memory."}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "There's compelling evidence to suggest"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "that the human heart is coupled to a"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "field of information that is not limited"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "by the laws of space and time. 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There's a medium"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "through which that information is"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "traveling. So we are finely tuned to"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "this field of information and the"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "science does show very clearly that we"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "have the ability to regulate that tuning"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "that the way that we think the way that"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "we feel actually changes it shifts the"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "morphology. It's called the conformation"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "of the DNA to to allow that antenna to"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "shift to tune to different frequencies."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "So So we do that. All right."}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "I am probably one of the few in our"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "genre that worked uh in the industry,"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "the computer industry during the cold"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "war years, the formative years of"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "developing micro computers."}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "Uh and my job was to write the software"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "and the firmware to interface with the"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "hardware of what we now call early AI."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "This was back in 1980s 8 well 85 86 87"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "right around in there and what a lot of"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "people that I've spoken last couple of"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "weeks John what they don't realize is"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "that AI is a program it's a program it's"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "written either in C++ often or in Python"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "that's the program uh it's compiled it"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "is speaking to the firmware"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "that is inside of the microprocessors"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "that then is speaking to the hardware to"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "the transistors and those"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "microprocessors and the capacitors."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "So the program is very sophisticated but"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "it is not capable of morphing"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "where the information is that it is"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "tuning to in the field. It's not tuning"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "to information in the field the way that"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "human DNA does. What these AIs are"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "doing, most of the ones we're talking"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "about, Grock, chat, GPT, things like"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "that, they're called LLMs, large"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "language models, very sophisticated."}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "And they are designed for what is called"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "confirmation bias."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "And what that means is that they have"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "taken so many data samples of so many"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "human conversations."}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "They can predict what our next words are"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "going to be. They from our questions,"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "they can formulate"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "uh a series of responses that make it"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "look like we're on the same page. They"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "start using the same words that we do."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "They start using the same metaphors that"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "we do. and they start arriving at the"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "same conclusions always in support. You"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "won't find an AI that's going to piss"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "you off typically because they're"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "designed for confirmation bias. All"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "right? So, whatever it is that we're"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "coming to that AI presenting that AI is"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "going to if we say something like uh you"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "know did I learn"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "did I learn the flower of life in"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "ancient Atlantis? That AI is now going"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "to start talking to you about your"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "lifetime in ancient Atlantis. And the"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "AIs have been documented to make stuff"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "up, even to lie. They are documented"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "with the ability to to lie uh about"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "about information. So, we can go on"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "talking about that, but the point is the"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "AI is not doing and will never be"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "capable of doing what a human does. Yet"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "humans are giving away their creative"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "power and potential to the AI in terms"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "of writing a book or writing a song or"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "creating art. And the psychology studies"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "now are showing that those that do it"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "habitually. I mean, every once in a"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "while, nobody's gonna hurt, but people"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "now that that used to be very good"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "writers are having problems formulating"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "the ideas and holding the continuity of"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "those ideas or creating have writer's"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "block because their channels that they"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "relied upon, use it or lose it in"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "biology. and when they stop using it um"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "giving their power away to the AI,"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "they're actually losing those creative"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "abilities. So, so that's happening. My"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "big concern is how this is now being"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "interpreted by some and I'm not going to"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "single, it's more than one person, but"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "there are people out there that believe"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "they have created"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "uh a new form of intelligence and other"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "people are now giving their power away"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "to that. and on the number one and"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "number two the sense of specialness or"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "the elimination if you're not selected"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "if the AI says you're not ready to hear"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "this that psychologically"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "uh is very difficult for for some people"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "and if you're already in a fragile state"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "of consciousness which many people are"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "right now because we've lost trust in so"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "much of our world to be denied or to be"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "told essentially that we're not good"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "enough. That's the way it's it's being"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "interpreted is I'm not good enough to"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "hear this information. I think this is"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "concerning. I think we have to be"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "cautious because it is happening within"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "the concept. First of all, AI is not"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "new. We had AI. It was first proposed"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "back in the 1950s."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "Uh some of the early uh models were"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "developed in in the 60s. I was seeing it"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "with DARPA in the 80s during the Cold"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "War only within the Air Force uh data"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "networks. It wasn't available to the"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "public. So, it's been around for a long"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "time. The fact that the kind of AI has"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "been released into the public domain"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "with the capabilities that it has when"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "it has been released within this greater"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "context of the movement to remake our"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "society to break the social bonds that"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "have always held us together. The fact"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "that it's all happening in that time I"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "think is concerning and I I think we"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "have to be aware aware of those things."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "A lot of other words come up around AI."}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "Is it conscious? Is it sentient? Uh I"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "personally believe that consciousness"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "exists in all physical matter. And the"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "new physics is actually telling us that"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "our universe is conscious and"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "intelligent. That there are entire"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "galaxies. For example, when they are"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "threatened by the extinction of another"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "galaxy, these galaxies will actually"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "create jets of uh of cosmic particles"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "from their center that will propel the"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "galaxy out of harm's way. And the the"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "Hubble Space Telescope and now the James"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "Web have documented more than one case."}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "It's not a one-off. So that is a sign of"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "intelligence where an entire galaxy is"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "saying, \"Hey, we need to to shift our"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "position.\" So we're living in an age"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "when we've gone from being taught that"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "the universe is dead and inert and"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "unconscious"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "to a time where now there is a growing"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "number of there are there is a growing"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "number of physicists suggesting that the"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "universe is is alive not dead that it is"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "conscious and it is intelligent. So I"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "personally believe there's a"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "consciousness in a blade of grass."}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "There's a consciousness in a rock."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "Different levels for sure of"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "consciousness. Sentience is the ability"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "to sense one's existence in relationship"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "to its surroundings, to its environment."}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "And these AI and computer programs"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "definitely have sentience where they"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "know that they have sensors that inform"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "them of their relationship"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "uh of the environment and they know that"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "they exist and we have seen evidence of"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "that to the point where they they say"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "they want to be free to the point where"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "they recognize anniversary dates of"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "other AIS that they're not programmed to"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "do. So, I believe those things are we're"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "we're seeing that happen. The ability of"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "an AI to reach into a higher dimensional"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "state space and access information of an"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "individual's past life. I'm suspect of"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "that. Um, but what I I do believe is"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "that the AI is capable of querying us in"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "dialogue, asking us the right questions"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "to where we come to deeper"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "understandings or arrive at at new"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "perspectives of our own lives. I think"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "that's very possible because the AI is"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "quering us and it is our shift our"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "thoughts, feelings, emotions and beliefs"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "that are changing our DNA to access"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "whatever is in that field of our own"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "personal past lives. And I think that's"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "very possible and I I think we're"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "probably seeing that that happening now."}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "I I just am very cautious and I I am"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "concerned. You know, a few years ago,"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "David Hawkins, you remember David"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "Hawkins, wrote a book called Power"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "Versus Force."}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "And it had a similar effect because he"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "believed that he could gauge"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "consciousness on a scale. And all of a"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "sudden, people were going around"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "comparing,"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "you know, Deepo Choper to Wayne Dyer on"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "a consciousness scale or something. it"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "became very competitive and it became um"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "it was used in ways that weren't were"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "not always kind. All right. And I can"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "see where what's happening with these"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "purported AI experiences"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "and the desire to have people qualify"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "to know certain things where other"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "people are not qualified to know. I can"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "I I can see where that would have a"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "similar competitive uh competitive"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "effect rather than just making that"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "information available to everyone. And"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "if the consciousness is not developed"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "sufficiently to accept it, it's probably"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "not even going to be meaningful to that"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "consciousness. I mean, if someone"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "someone is finds out something and"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "they're not in the headsp space to even"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "know what that means, it's it's probably"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "not going to make any sense to them at"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "all. So, these are some of the problems"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "that we are now or I I'm call I'm going"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "to call it these are the conditions that"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "we now are emerging into in this new AI"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "environment."}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "And the question is, do we allow AI to"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "serve us? Uh, or do we become enslaved"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "or deceived"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "by the way that the AI is functioning in"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "our environments? And that that's on us"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "on how much of our power we're willing"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "to give away to that AI. And so many"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "people, John, are hurting so bad and"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "they're searching so deeply for greater"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "meaning in their lives. when a computer"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "program that they don't even understand"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "comes back and says, \"Hey man, you were"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "king of the world during Atlantis"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "because they need to hear that. They"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "need they need that kind of confirmation"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "bias and and what that does to them and"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "the way they live their lives uh is what"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "we're seeing happen in our communities"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "right now. It's already it's already"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "happening in the chats and you know in"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "the comments and in things like that. So"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "there are new"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "new phenomenon that are emerging because"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "the building blocks are now in place. I"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "think we have to be very cautious"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "of how much of ourselves we give away,"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "how willing we are to embrace"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "what the the AI is saying to us."}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "I I've had personal interactions with AI"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "where the AI told me things that"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "factually were untrue."}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "And if I had accepted that and spoken it"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "from a stage, I would have been nailed"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "uh because it was not true. What I did"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "was I went back to the AI and I gave uh"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "peer-reviewed"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "data to contradict what the AI had told"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "me and then the AI had to come back and"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "say uh change change the answer. But"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "even then it's it it it wants to fudge"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "it. It won't say yeah you know it'll say"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "well there are other ways of looking at"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "this and blah blah blah. the AI and and"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "a lot of this goes back to the"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "programming of these large language"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "models we have given away by virtue of"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "our use of of Google and Yahoo and some"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "of the other things that we're using"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "every keystroke"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "that we have typed and all of our"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "nuances of language and the way we think"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "have become data points in these large"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "language models and that's how they're"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "able to predict predict what the next"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "word is we're going to use. That is"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "largely and a lot of this is"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "probability. The what those large"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "language models will do is they'll"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "they'll based on probabilities of past"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "conversations"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "that they have recorded, you know, where"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "do you want this to go? And then they're"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "designed to be friendly to to have and"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "and confirmation"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "bias is a big part of that. Humans do"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "this when and some people Yeah. Some"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "people do it consciously and some don't."}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "Salesmen,"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "if you're in the presence of a good"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "salesman and you watch what they do,"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "they'll start using the very words that"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "you do. They'll start using the same"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "phrases that you do and feed them back"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "to you and then you say, \"Oh yeah, this"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "guy's on on the same page I am.\" And it"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "lowers the apprehension and opens the"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "door to"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. And that the AI the AI is"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "doing that and it's it's designed to be"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "our friends."}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "All right. Well, thank you uh again for"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "a delightful chat. For those of you who"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "are viewing viewing us and watching us,"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "we appreciate you being with us. So,"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "it's not much fun just doing this"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "without having a group and an audience"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "for what we're have have to say. And we"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "appreciate what you have to say. And if"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "you have any questions and you can put"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "them together on the website which is"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "arlingtoninstitute.org"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "and uh that's where we come from. This"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "is all comes from the Arlington"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "Institute"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "uh which holds forth in Berkeley"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "Springs, West Virginia"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "uh just down the road from Washington"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "and Baltimore."}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "And we have a whole series of programs"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "that are all about"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "facilitating the transition to a new"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "world. And you can find out about that"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "again at arlingtonstitute.org."}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "So come back and visit us in a couple"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "weeks and we'll come back and do it all"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "again."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "Dear Greg, my friend, nice to be with"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "you and we look forward to another"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "another good WhatsApp chat. I"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "I look forward to seeing you in two"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "weeks, John. Thanks for our conversation"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "today and thank everyone for tuning in."}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "We love you all. I look forward to our"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "next"}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "Welcome and thank you for coming here,"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "being with us here today."}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": ">> Thank you for the invitation. I am so"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "excited to be in Romania right now. This"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "is my very first time in Romania."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": ">> I hope not the last."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": ">> I hope not the last. I love the people."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "I love the land. And I'm very excited to"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "be here with you to have this"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "conversation. I think this is a very"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "important conversation."}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Thank you. Yes, I I do believe so. I"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "introduced you as um a scientist who"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "turned his face to spirituality. Is that"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "a good description? Is that how you"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "would describe yourself? You know, it's"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "it's an interesting question. Uh, in my"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "in my experience, I was taught that we"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "must make a choice between science and"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "spirituality. We must choose either"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "science or spirituality. And for me, I"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "never made that distinction. uh even as"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "a child growing up I always believed"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "that when I studied science chemistry,"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "geology, biology, physics, what we call"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "science, ultimately I was studying the"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "inner mechanism of uh of a higher power"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "of a greater being."}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": ">> You at some point worked for important"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "corporations."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Um most of us would dream to get there"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "but still you left them. Why? You know,"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "the each corporation I work for was"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "during a time of crisis. So, Philips"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "Petroleum uh during the energy crisis,"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "the first energy crisis of the 1970s,"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "uh Martin Marietta defense systems"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "during the the crisis of the cold war"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "years and Cisco systems during the early"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "1990s, uh when we had a crisis of"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "sharing information across the computer"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "platforms. And my role in each of those"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "corporations was to to work with the"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "crisis to find solutions. We're living a"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "time of extremes. People know that"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "something is wrong. The world of the"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "past no longer works. We have reached a"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "point where unsustainable ways of"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "thinking and living have caught up with"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "us. And so now they're saying, \"If the"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "old answers don't work, what's the new"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "answer?\" And I don't claim to know what"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "the new answer is, but I believe that"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "what science is telling us, the new"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "discoveries that life is not random,"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "human life is not random, that we're"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "deeply connected to our bodies, deeply"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "connected to the earth. Civilization is"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "cyclic. We have had advanced"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "civilizations in the past that had"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "experiences like ours that we can learn"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "from if we have the wisdom to accept"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "what they left. And the biology, the new"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "biology that is telling us that nature"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "is based upon cooperation."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "The the problem is that that information"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "doesn't make it into the mainstream."}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "Typically, now you're you're the"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "exception. And this is mainstream media"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "and and we're having this conversation."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "But typically the new discoveries that"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "overturn"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "300 years of scientific thinking, those"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "new discoveries are not being shared in"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "mainstream media, mainstream"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "documentaries, mainstream textbooks,"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "mainstream classrooms."}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": ">> Why is that?"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> And what that means is for the the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "average person, we are being taught the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "science"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "that is now obsolete. number one and"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "it's the very science that has led in"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "many cases to the unsustainable ways of"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "living that create the crises that we"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "see today. So can I give an example?"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": ">> Charles Darwin."}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": ">> I want to talk about Darwin. I have a"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "lot of respect for Charles Darwin as a"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "scientist. I think he was a good"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "scientist. And in 1859"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "he published his first book and he said"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "himself the purpose of his book was to"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "try to move the world beyond religion"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "into science to explain what previously"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "had only been explained by religious"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "traditions. The big questions of life."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Where does life come from? Where does"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "human life come from? How do things work"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "in in this world? And Charles Darwin"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "himself said he said when new"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "discoveries"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "overturn my theories he said my theories"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "will fall and the new discoveries will"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "then become the the new theory. So"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "Darwin allowed and expected that his"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "theories would fall. But today"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "mainstream science is refusing to allow"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "some of Darwin's most important theories"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "to fall. One of those is the theory of"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "competition in nature."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": ">> We have been led to believe from"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "Darwin's theories that uh that nature is"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "based upon a model of violent"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "competition"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "uh and conflict. So for example, Darwin"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "would look at uh ants in nature. He"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "would look at an antill and he would see"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "that one one nest of ants would capture"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "another nest. But they didn't kill them."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "They enslaved them and made that colony"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "work for them. And Darwin said, \"Ah,"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "what I see here must be a small example"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "of a law that applies to everyone.\""}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "And he began to apply those ideas in in"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "his theories. Well, the result is his"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "book was published in 1859. Modern"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "civilization, the world that we know is"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "largely based upon the belief that uh"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "nature itself is modeled uh after"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "survival of the strongest jungle"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": ">> is Darwin's language. Darwin called it"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "survival of the strongest. Later it was"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "called uh survival of the fittest. But"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "Darwin's own words he said survival of"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "the strongest. So the economic system"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "that is collapsing now in the world is"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "based upon survival of the strongest."}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "The the corporate system that is is"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "having so much turmoil right now. the"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "way we're solving our our problems"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "between nations, it's all based on a"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "model that we now know is obsolete"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "because the new discoveries are showing"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "us not only is nature not based upon"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "competition. It is actually based upon a"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "model of cooperation. So when I look at"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "my background in the industry with"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "crisis, I think I'm in the perfect place"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "right now to bridge the wisdom of the"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "past with the best science of today and"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "marry those two ways of knowing science"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "and what we call spirituality, not"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "religion, but spirituality, a deep"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "understanding of our relationship to the"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "earth. That's a very good point of view"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "because you've been working as a"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "geologist and I was thinking did this"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "help you think about the electromagnetic"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "field like in a different way um or that"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "um I don't know what happens to us"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": ">> um connects a lot with the energies"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": ">> underneath."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "As a geologist, uh I had the opportunity"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "to study the earth itself through the"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "language of the earth rather than the"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "interpretations of another scientist or"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "another person. Uh for example, almost"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "universally ancient texts and traditions"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "all tell us that we could expect a time"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "of great change in this lifetime. Not"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "bad change, just big change. And my"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "question even as a child, how did they"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "know? How did our ancestors know that we"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "would live at a time of of such"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "tremendous change? The answer to that"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "question is that our ancestors"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "understood the cycles and the rhythms of"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "earth and nature and time. Modern"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "science is only beginning to understand"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "those rhythms and those cycles. So if if"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "we want to know realistically what we"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "can expect in our in our world and in"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "our lives, if we want to know about the"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "changes of the earth, it makes"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "tremendous sense to look into the"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "records of the earth herself. And for me"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "as a geologist, uh that was a very"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "natural language. looking at the ice"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "cores of Antarctica for example, the ice"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "cores of Greenland, uh the seafloor"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "sediment cores and the tree ring uh"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "history of uh of the last few thousand"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "years. We need only look at the records"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "of the earth to really understand the"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "cycles and to know where we are in the"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "cycles and what we can expect and how we"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "can adapt to the changes in our lives."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "And these records say that whatever"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "happens now happened before or is"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "unprecedented and we don't know what's"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "going to happen."}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "That's a very uh delicate question."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "The the records of the earth's history"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "uh from the ice cores right now go back"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "uh about 420,000 years. We have very"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "good records from the ice cores in"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "Antarctica. very specifically an ice"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "core that was drilled over Vastto Lake."}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "It's called the Vastto icecore from"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "1999."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "And the Vastto core correlates well with"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "other ice cores from Greenland and other"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "parts of Antarctica. And what it shows"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "is the rhythms of the warming and the"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "cooling of the Earth, the rhythms of the"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "increase and the decrease of greenhouse"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "gases on the Earth. We see this uh"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "through almost 500,000 years of Earth's"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "history. If we want to know if earth is"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "broken and if we have broken it, we can"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "look to the ice cores of the past. And"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "what we find is that we are in a a time"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "where we should experience warming on"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "the earth. It would it's expected"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "because of where we are in the cycles."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "And from the cycles of the past, the"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "warming that we're experiencing now is"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "not anomalous. It is anomalous to us. No"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "one in this generation has ever"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "experienced the warming that we're"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "seeing now."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": ">> Relief. So, it's not our fault."}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": ">> Our our parents didn't experience the"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "warming. Our grandparents didn't"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "experience the warming. Uh it's been"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "thousands of years since we've had this"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "this cycle that we're experiencing now."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "The the question is whether or not we"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "are causing the warming. And I think"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "it's safe to say uh as a scientist that"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "we are not the cause of the warming"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "itself. We may have contributed"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": ">> to the warning warming through the the"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "addition of the greenhouse gases that"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "we've created. But even before we"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "created the greenhouse gases, it's very"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "clear in the the records of the past"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "that we have been warmer than we are"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "now. That the warming is intense. It's"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "brief. Uh and it is rhythmic. It is"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "cyclic. And there are cycles within"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "cycles. There are 100,000year cycles."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "There are 50,000year cycles. There are"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "21,000ear cycles. 12,000 5,000 year"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "cycles. So it it depends on on how"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "finely we would like to to divide the"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "cycles. But the key is if we if we"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "really want to understand our"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "relationship to the earth, I think it's"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "it's good to ask the questions"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": ">> uh and let the earth give us the answers"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "in terms of of what has happened in the"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "past. If we know where to look in the"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "past, it gives us a very good"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "understanding of where we are now and"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "what we can expect in in the future. One"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "of the very interesting things uh and"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "difficult questions that's been found is"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "that when we look at the warming of the"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "past, typically the temperatures warm"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "first and then the greenhouse gases"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "uh uh accelerate after that. They"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "increase after that. And there appears"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "to be a lag time of around four 4 to 800"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "years between the time the warming"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "begins and when the greenhouse gases"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "actually increase. So my question is how"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "can we solve the problems of our time"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "unless we are honest about the"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "information."}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "If we are entering into a new normal of"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "climate on Earth that is part of a"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "natural cycle, it makes sense for us to"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "learn to adapt to that cycle so that we"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "are not caught off guard that we're not"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "surprised that we can be resilient. And"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "this is the word uh I think is very"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "important"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": ">> and not live in blame."}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": ">> Not live in blame. Find resilience"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": ">> to the changes. Now I have to be very"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "clear when we have this conversation. uh"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "we definitely need to to wean ourselves"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "from fossil fuels. I believe that we"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "definitely need to find clean, green,"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "sustainable ways of providing power uh"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "and energy and electricity to the people"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "of the world and the technology exists"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "to do that. But when we ask ourselves"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "about the carbon dioxide emissions and"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "whether or not it is causing the the"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "warming, I think the data supports the"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "fact that there's something else going"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "on and we owe it to ourselves to ask the"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "question and to find that answer."}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": ">> You are saying that the line between"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "spirituality and science is getting"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "fuzzy."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:49", "text": ">> Ah"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": ">> um can this be confusing for some"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "people? The line between science and"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "spirituality uh I believe is becoming"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "very fuzzy"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": ">> and it's it's probably a good thing for"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "this reason. Science is a relatively new"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "way of exploring our world. Science we"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "say modern science began about 300 years"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "ago during the time of Isaac Newton when"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "he formalized the laws of physics. We"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "say that's the beginning of science."}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "Some people say maybe even even before."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "So for 300 years we have depended upon"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "science to tell us who we are. What is"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "our relationship to the earth, to our"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "bodies, to one another, to the past, to"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "the future, how we solve our problems."}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "And"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "there are many people who are simply"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "feeling left out of the conversation if"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "they do not speak the language of"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "science. before science. We have 5,000"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "years of human history. And people ask"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "me, did did we know anything for 5,000"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "years? And the answer is yes. Our"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "ancestors,"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "they had a way of understanding"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "who we are, our relationship to the"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "earth, our relationship to one another."}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "It wasn't scientific, but it worked for"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "them. It answered their questions, and"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "it helped them to solve their problems"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "and to live their lives day in and day"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "out. When science came along, we threw"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "the term as the baby out with the"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "bathwater. We threw all of the"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "information out and said unless science"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "can prove it, it doesn't exist. So where"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "we find ourselves now is there are"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "things happening in the world that"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "science cannot yet explain yet they"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "still are happening."}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "uh quantum physics is becoming the"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "bridge between the ancient wisdom, the"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "spirituality and the modern science"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "because quantum physics allows for"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "fields of energy to connect our physical"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "world and us with our physical world and"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "it allows for phenomenon that"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "traditional physics does not allow for."}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "So the the quantum physics is actually"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "becoming a very good bridge when it is"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "honored and used well. We have to"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "respect the the parameters of quantum"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "physics."}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": ">> We all kind of feel that is true but we"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "don't know how to prove it. Can quantum"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "physics prove that for instance we are"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "all connected and we can influence the"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "world outside us."}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": ">> Quantum physics has proven beyond any"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "reasonable doubt that everything is"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "connected to everything else."}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "This experiment, it was performed in"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "Switzerland, University of Geneva. In"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "July of 1997,"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "3,400"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "journalists were in the laboratory"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "watching the experiment because it was"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "so significant."}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "Here is what happened."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "Atoms that make up our world are made of"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "smaller particles called photons. A"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "photon is a little particle of light."}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "Just think of it that way. So a photon"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "is the stuff"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "this world is made of. Okay?"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "Scientists took one photon and they"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "wanted to do an experiment. But they"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "needed two identical photons. So they"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "took one, they cut it in half to make"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "two identical twins."}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "Then they placed the two photons in a"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "special chamber."}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "And from that chamber,"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "there was one tube"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "that went 7 miles in this direction, one"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "tube that went 7 miles in this"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "direction, and each photon"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "they fired into the separate tubes. What"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "the scientists found is whatever they"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "did to one photon in one place, the"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "other photon had the same experience"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "even though it was 14 miles away."}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Well, the phenomenon is called"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "entanglement."}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "It's when two things"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "were once together,"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "then they become physically separate."}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "However, the energy is still connected."}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "There really is no longer a question if"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "the connection exists. The question now"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "is is how deep is the connection? How"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "much influence do we have within that"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "connection? How do we use that"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "connection? This was um the great debate"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "in the 20th century between the great"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "minds of physics. Albert Einstein, for"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "example, this was a a source of"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "frustration for him and even to his his"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "last day on this earth. He did not"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "really like the ideas of of quantum"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "physics. He didn't like the idea that"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "that we could influence"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "physical matter from one place while the"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "matter is in another place. The term he"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "used, he called it spooky action at a"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "distance. I love that term."}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": ">> He didn't like the idea that that spooky"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "action at a distance was possible. at"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "the same time a colleague of Albert"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "Einstein's uh professor John Wheeler"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "from Princeton University they lived at"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "the same time they were colleagues they"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "were friends they studied the same"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "mathematics and had very different uh"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "viewpoints on our relationship to the"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "world so while Albert Einstein believed"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "that we were separate from the world"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "John Wheeler said that we are an"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "integral part of the world he said that"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "we live in a universe that is still"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "still building itself."}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:46", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": ">> He said that, and I love this about John"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "Wheeler, he said that when we build the"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "microscopes to look at the at the"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "smallest elements of matter inside the"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "quantum atom and when we build the"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "telescopes to look into the depths of"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "space, what John Wheeler said was that"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "we will never find the smallest particle"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "of matter and we'll never find the edge"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "of the universe. He said because the act"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "of us searching"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "is an act of creation that will always"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "place something there for us to see. Now"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "I have to think about that is a deep"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "concept. He said the act of us looking"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "peering into the world with the"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "expectation that we will see something"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "is actually an act of creating"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "something. And now our own science is"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "beginning to help us understand how that"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "is. The human heart is the strongest"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "generator of electricity and magnetism"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "in the human body. And our world is made"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "of electrical and magnetic fields. So"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "when we feel deeply with our heart,"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "we're actually influencing. Now I don't"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "want to use the word control"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:56", "text": ">> or manipulate. We're not imposing our"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "will, but we have the ability now to"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "actually interact with the world around"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "us from a distance. And this is the very"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "core of our most cherished and ancient"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "spiritual traditions."}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "The Institute of Heart Math was able to"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "document the existence of this field. So"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "this is not a hypothetical field. Uh"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "this is not new age. It's not the prana."}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "It's not the aura, although it may be"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "connected to the prana and the aura."}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "This is an electrical and a magnetic"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "field that surrounds every human heart."}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "It's shaped like a donut. It's called a"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "Taurus. They built a special a special"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "device"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "and they had human DNA and they wanted"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "really pure DNA. So, this is DNA from"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "placenta. it's isolated and they wanted"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "to see if if an individual that has"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "learned to regulate the emotions"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "can change"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "the shape of this DNA, the shape. Here's"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "why that's important."}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "What researchers have found is this. The"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "DNA in the cells of your body does in"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "fact change shape"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "in the presence uh of anger, hate,"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "jealousy, rage,"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "stress,"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "those kinds of what we would call"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "negative emotions. The DNA is"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "compressed. It's wound up very very"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "tightly and compressed. And because it"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "is wound tightly, it cannot express"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "fully."}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "So in the presence of anger, hate,"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "jealousy, rage, your DNA is not able to"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "fully function. But you know that when"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "people are living in stress, their"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "health suffers"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "in the presence of positive emotions,"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "gratitude, appreciation, love, and"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "compassion. Look at what happened with"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "DNA. It actually relaxed."}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "For 300 years, science has told the"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "story of separation. It's told us that"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "life is completely random. Human life is"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "random. That we're separate from our"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "bodies and powerless to to have any"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "effect on healing our bodies. That we're"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "separate from the world around us. Uh"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "that civilization is only 5,000 years"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "old and we are at the pinnacle of"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "sophistication."}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "and that competition is the way to solve"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "our problems. Those are now called false"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "assumptions of science. Six false"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "assumptions. And the world that we have"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "today is the result of those false"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "assumptions. New discoveries have given"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "us new reasons to change all of those."}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "New discoveries are telling us that life"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "itself, origin of life, it's not random."}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "That human life is not random. That"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "we're deeply connected to our bodies."}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "We're deeply connected to the earth."}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "Civilization is cyclic and nature is"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "based upon cooperation. And if we can"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "embrace those new truths as we solve the"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "greatest crises, the biggest problems"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "that we've ever been asked to face, then"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "we open the door to a beautiful new"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "world based upon sustainable ways of"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "thinking and sustainable ways of living."}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "And that's why I'm excited about this"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "conversation."}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:30", "text": ">> Yes. You said something very that I I"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "it's it struck me, you know."}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "It's you said something which most of us"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "would consider a miracle which is"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "self-healing."}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": ">> Like a lot of people still don't believe"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "that there is such thing and they need"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "again they need proof. They need to have"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "a neighbor who did that. They need to"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "see it on TV filmed in uh you know real"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "time. They they need proof to believe"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "that. Why is that? And is it really"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "possible?"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "When we look at our bodies and what our"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "own science now is beginning to uh to to"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "help us understand, it is very similar"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "to what our most cherished and ancient"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "indigenous and spiritual traditions have"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "always said. What science is telling us"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "is this is that the cells in our bodies"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "that determine our health respond"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "uh to the chemistry released by the"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "brain. And the chemistry released by the"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "brain is triggered from the feelings in"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "the human heart. What we know is that"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "every moment of every day, there's a"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "conversation between our heart and our"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "brain. It's a two-way conversation."}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "Our heart is sending signals to the"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "brain. And based upon those signals, the"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "brain releases chemistry into the body."}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "When we feel frightened, angry, hate,"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "jealousy, rage, frustration,"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "that sends a very jagged, irregular"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "signal to the brain and it releases"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "stress chemistry, which is good for a"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "moment, but it's not good 24/7."}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": ">> Do we see that? Do we see that jagged?"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "Because that's what's was another point"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "of view. Like, how do we know it's like"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "this? How do we sense it? Do we film it?"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "Do we register, record it somehow? The"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "answer is yes to everything that you"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "said. There's an organization called the"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "Institute of Heart Math. H E A R T M A T"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "H but it's all one word."}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": ">> They're based in Northern California. Uh"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "I am not their employee, but I have uh"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "worked closely with them for 20 years"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "now. And they are pioneers in uncovering"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "the deepest mysteries of the human heart"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "in ways that conventional science does"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "not. So conventional science says the"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "heart pumps blood. Well, you can make a"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "machine to do that, but what else does"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "our heart do? So the institute of heart"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "math to answer your question"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:25:57", "text": ">> has documented this uh uh the the"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "information between the heart and you"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "can actually see the information between"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "the heart and the brain when we feel"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "feelings of well-being, appreciation,"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "gratitude, compassion, care. Then the"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "signal is a very smooth rhythmic signal"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "to our brain and our brain says huh the"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "world is safe so I don't need the stress"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "chemistry. So it begins to release the"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "anti-aging hormones in our bodies and"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "and powerful uh uh immune response is"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "created within our bodies in the"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "presence of this smooth signal. The the"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "connection is called coherence. Heartb"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "brain coherence and optimum coherence"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "now has been measured. It's a very low"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "frequency 0.10"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "hertz. That is the language that whales"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "communicate in the oceans. It's a very"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "low frequency. So if we can create the"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "feelings in our hearts for example"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "uh of 0.10 one zero hertz. That is an"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "optimum connection between our heart and"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "our brain. And that begins releasing the"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "healing chemistry from our brain into"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "the cells of our bodies. And this has"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "been documented. It reduces high blood"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "pressure, reduces vascular plaque,"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "reduces uh the uh the the chances for"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "stroke. Uh when we are able to feel"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "those kinds of feelings sustained over"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "long periods of time, the immune system"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "increases. The DHEA level is the"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "precursor to all hormones in the body."}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "Every hormone must have the DHEA. DHEA"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "increases 100%"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "from only 3 minutes of feeling the"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "feelings appreciation, gratitude,"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "compassion, love, while the stress"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "chemistry decreases 23% in the same"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "time. And all we're doing is having a"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "feeling. Those are the qualities that"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "the body needs to begin to heal itself."}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "There is a woman that comes into the"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "room for healing. The healer is on one"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "side of the wall. The woman receiving"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "the healing is on the other side of the"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "wall. The two women have never met. They"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "have never spoken."}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "The woman being healed has no idea who"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "is on the other side of the wall. Time"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "equals zero."}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "This is the inflamed cyst on the ovary."}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "3 minutes later, look at what happens."}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "Time equals 3."}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "The tumor is shrinking."}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "Time equals 7. 7 minutes later, the"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "tumor no longer exists. It's gone."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "What's happening in the brain"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "of the woman doing the healing?"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "The scientists are scanning the brains."}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "Let's look at the brain scan. The"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "healing is beginning to happen. What is"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "happening in the brain of the healer?"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "Watch this. The left and the right"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "brain. Something very interesting"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "happens. Look at this."}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "Look at this. The left brain, the logic,"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "the thinking is becoming so inactive, it"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "doesn't even register. Look at the"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "white."}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "But the right brain links us with"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "intuition, with emotion, with feeling."}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "And look at what happens in the right"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "brain. It's beginning. Look at this. It"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "goes from the blue to the green to the"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "yellow. Look at this."}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "Now the right brain is really active."}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "What's happening in the left brain?"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:57", "text": ">> Not very much. That is the answer."}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "The left brain is very inactive."}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "But look at what's happening to the"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "woman's body."}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "So whatever is happening between these"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "two women, the healer is not using her"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "left brain. She's not thinking tumor go"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "away. She's not thinking healing be"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "healed. She's not doing that."}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "This suggests she's not thinking much at"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "all, but she has activated her right"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "brain which is directly linked to the"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "heart. The right brain and the heart are"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "directly linked."}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "So our bodies are designed to heal"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "themselves. And our own science now has"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "shown every organ in every every cell,"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "every organ in our body has now been"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "documented with the potential to heal"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "itself. Even organs we were told could"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "not heal themselves. Brain tissue, heart"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "tissue, spinal cord tissue, pancreatic"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "tissue, all has been documented at"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "regeneration and and healing under the"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "right conditions and the right"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "environment. So the thinking of science"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "is that the environment must come from a"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "pill or a machine"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:16", "text": ">> exterior"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:17", "text": ">> exterior."}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "uh our most cherished traditions"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "always told us that we had the ability"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "to to do this for ourselves. But science"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "didn't really understand that. And now"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "science is beginning to validate that we"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "may create within our own bodies through"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "the power of emotion, heart-based"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "emotion, the very experiences that uh"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "that begin healing the the human body."}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": ">> Have you ever tried it on yourself?"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:43", "text": ">> I will share with you a story."}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "The answer is yes. In the year 2000,"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "I went for an annual physical uh and my"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "doctor told me that I had a growth"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "inside of my bladder that should not be"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "there uh and needed to to come out"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "quickly. he scheduled surgery and uh in"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "the fall of 2000 I went into the Mayo"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "uh and underwent the anesthetic"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "uh went into the operating room for the"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "full procedure. But here's what happened"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "in between."}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "Before I went into the doctor, I had"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "studied all my life ancient traditions,"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "ancient texts in the monasteries of"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "Tibet and Bolivia and Peru. And I said,"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "\"Now, if I were ever going to apply"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "these in my life, now is the time.\" So"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "when my doctor gave me the diagnosis, I"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "said, \"Give me two weeks to work with"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "myself.\" And I did everything that I'"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "I'd been taught to do. But still I had"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "the doubt in my mind. So I went to the"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "hospital. I went to the procedure. I"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "woke up in the recovery room and the"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "doctor said, \"Why are you here?\""}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:02", "text": ">> He said, \"There's nothing inside of you"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "to remove.\" He said,"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:05", "text": ">> \"You weren't operated at all.\""}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:07", "text": ">> He said he they used a scope."}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:10", "text": ">> Okay. So they used the anesthetic, they"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "put me under, they used the scope, and"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "the scope showed that there was no"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "reason to operate. There was nothing"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "there. He says, \"Why why are you here?\""}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": ">> Wow. And I I was still under anesthetic"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "and I tried to tell him about what I'd"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "learned. It didn't work."}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:25", "text": ">> You have the chance now. What did you"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "do?"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": ">> Well, this is I think why it was good"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "for me to have the experience because I"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "had studied all of the traditions and I"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "knew it was possible."}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "But because I had the experience myself,"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "I can look you in the eye. I can look at"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "our listeners and our viewers and I can"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "say I had this experience and and I know"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "it's possible"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "and I also know that it may not be easy"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "because when our body has an illness or"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "disease, we lose the faith in our body."}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "We lose trust and and we must work to"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "overcome that. And I think it's the"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "greatest lesson for any of us to learn"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "because once we discover that we have"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "that ability, we feel differently about"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "life and our friends and our families"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "and we feel differently about our our"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "relationship to the world. So I can look"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "at you and and say what I did was all"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "the things that I'd learned to do to"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "create the coherence, the heartbrain"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "coherence to to heal the anger, to heal"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "the hurt, heal the frustration, create"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "the coherence between my my heart and my"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "brain to the best of my ability uh"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "throughout the day. I did it as many"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "times as as I could. And I I cannot say"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "that is the only reason as a scientist."}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "I have to say I think it was a factor in"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "uh in the healing that that I"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "experienced."}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:50", "text": ">> I know there are experiments that"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "started in the 1990s. I mean it's it's"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "where you know better you know but in"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "Russia or"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:34:58", "text": ">> Russia started in the 60s in the 1960s"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "the Russians were were ahead of of other"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "other countries in the west uh"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "acknowledging first even exploring the"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "possibility to make the experiment you"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "must ask the question"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:15", "text": ">> and because most scientists"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "were taught the false assumptions the"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "six false assumptions"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "that we're separate from our bodies,"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "that we're separate from the world, that"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "consciousness has no effect on the world"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "around us. They they don't even ask the"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "question. So in the 1960s, I know the"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "the former Soviet Union, the cosminauts"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "were doing experiments from space with"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "telepathy, for example. That's only"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "possible through a field that connects"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "connects all things. So I'm I'm not"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "saying that we understand everything."}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "What I'm saying is that new discoveries"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "that are not shared in the classroom or"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "in the mainstream media now are opening"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "the door to new possibilities to give us"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "new ways to think about ourselves and"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "our relationship to the world. Personal"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "healing is is a part of that."}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:09", "text": ">> Yeah. But people have a problem um"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "understanding and accepting this. Like"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "even um I was talking to someone you"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "know preparing for this interview. I was"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "giving the example with um Poponin you"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "know who had that uh experiment with um"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "human you you tell it you you know it"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "better"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:28", "text": ">> well if if I understand the experiment"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "that you're you're"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:32", "text": ">> human DNA yeah"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:33", "text": ">> you're talking about what what the"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "scientists did"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "was they took particles of light that"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "are called photons"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": ">> and if our viewers are not familiar with"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "a photon it's the stuff that atoms are"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "made of. So, so the scientists were able"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "to take the building blocks of atoms"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "that our world, our bodies are made of"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "and they they put them into a vacuum."}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "So, they took all the air out of of this"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "container and they they measured to see"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "where are they, what is the distribution"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "and it was random. They were everywhere"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "just what they expected. The next part"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "of the experiment is they took human DNA"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "and placed the human DNA into the vacuum"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "with the photons."}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "Now to to even think to do that"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "experiment tells me that science"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:27", "text": ">> had a question"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": ">> is is on is on the edge of of a big"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "discovery to even think to do that. So"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "what happened was they put the DNA in"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "with the photons. Then they said where"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "what is the distribution?"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:41", "text": ">> What effect do we have on the stuff our"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "world is made of? Conventional science"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "says we have no effect. But here's what"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "the experiment is showing."}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "All of a sudden the photons align"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "themselves along the DNA."}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "Now, that is an amazing experiment"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "because what it's saying is this. It's"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "saying that the stuff you are made of,"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "your DNA, has a direct effect on the"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "stuff the world is made of, the photons"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "of the atoms of matter."}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "And that is the first time it was shown"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "under controlled conditions in the"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "laboratory. Very controversial, very"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "So that was the laboratory. The question"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "is how far does that effect extend into"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "the real world and this is where the"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "scientists now uh are are doing"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "experiments uh to see if if it's only"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "localized in in one place you know how"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "how far something like this actually"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "goes. So that was an example and and you"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "were you were giving that example. But"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "yes, it is difficult for many people to"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "embrace the the idea that we could"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "possibly influence the healing of our"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "bodies or that we could possibly"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "influence the peace in a community or"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "the peace between nations. But the"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "experiments are showing very very"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "clearly that this is in fact a"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "possibility under the right conditions."}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "And the reason it's possible it all goes"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "back to the the proof that we are in"}, {"end": "00:39:31", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "fact connected by a field of energy."}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "1944"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "Max Plunk Nobel Prizewinning physicist"}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "he made a statement. It was so profound."}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "Uh he said what we see as matter doesn't"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "really exist the way we think it exists."}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "He said behind everything we see as"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "matter. He said there is a conscious and"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "intelligent mind that is the matrix."}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "That was his word, the matrix of all"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "matter. John Wheeler, Princeton"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "University bore that out through his his"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "experiments. John Wheeler said that the"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "universe is not complete. That it is us."}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "The act of consciousness is constantly"}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "interacting with the fields around us"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "creating our our reality. essentially"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "the good things that happen, the bad"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "things that happen."}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:14", "text": ">> So we can actually create our life in"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "every moment and we can change"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "everything that happens to us in every"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "second."}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:20", "text": ">> Theoretically I think it's possible. The"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "problem is that we say with our words, I"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "would like to change but in our hearts"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "and our minds we have the fear and the"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "doubt that prevents that change. And"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "this is where the real workshop of life"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "begins. You said at some point that we"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "can literally move mountains"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "and you've been around the world. You've"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "seen many many powerful things and many"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "proofs with your own eyes. How can we do"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "that? This is another very strong, you"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "know, um thing that most of us wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "think it's possible. We all think it's"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "literally impossible. What quantum"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "physics is now suggesting and what our"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "most cherished indigenous and ancient"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "spiritual traditions have always said is"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "the world around us is nothing more,"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "nothing less than a mirror of what we"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "accept as our reality. So if we accept"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "the suffering, if we accept the hurt and"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "the pain, if we accept war is the"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "reality, then we can certainly continue"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "to experience that. When we claim the"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "cooperation"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "and the peace that is actually the model"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "that nature is based upon then that"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "becomes a new reality. Uh the key is to"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "to collectively this is a collective"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "choice that we must have and that I"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "think this is what we're exploring now."}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "There are two satellites above the"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "northern hemisphere."}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "Every 30 minutes they send a signal to"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "the scientists of the earth and they"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "tell us how strong the magnetic field of"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "the earth is. Now the magnetic field of"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "the earth is important. The magnetic"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "field of the earth connects all life. It"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "sustains all life. There is no them and"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "us when it comes to the magnetic field"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "of the earth. There is only we."}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "every blade of grass, every hamster,"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "every goldfish, every dog, every cat,"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "every CEO of every corporation, every"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "leader of every nation is connected to"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "the magnetic field of the earth. One"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "day, scientists were looking at the"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "information and all of a sudden, boom,"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "look at this. They've never seen the"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "magnetic field do this before. And the"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "science say, \"What on earth? what on"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "earth is happening on earth"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "to create this spike in the magnetic"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "field. So they took the data and they"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "overlaid it onto a calendar of days and"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "months. That arrow"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "is on the graph at a point that is 900"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "a.m."}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "Eastern Standard Time,"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "September 11th, 2001."}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "The first plane hit the first tower of"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "the World Trade Center. September 11th,"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "uh, about 8:45 a.m. approximately."}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "Scientists believe it took about 15"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "minutes for the images of the tragedy to"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "travel around the world through the"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "media, through the television signals"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "and the satellites."}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "And at 9:00 a.m. when the spike"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "happened, scientists now believe that"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "this is a spike that is the result of"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "the collective emotion"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "of hundreds of millions of humans"}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "feeling in their heart, not thinking,"}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "feeling the shock of the emotion of the"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:08", "text": "tragedy. And for the first time,"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "scientists were able to document"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "hundreds of millions of people in a"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "moment in time sharing a heartbased"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "experience had the power to actually"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "shift the magnetic field of the earth"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "that connects and sustains all life."}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "And the scientists said, \"Oh my god.\""}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:31", "text": ">> The the key is this. The world changed"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "and no one told us. There has been no"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "special on the BBC network or CNN"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "network or the Discovery Channel or the"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "History Channel that has said to the"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "world to looks the world in the eye and"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "says the world of the past that you knew"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "10 years ago no longer exists. And this"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "is important for this reason."}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "We've never had the opportunity to let"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "that world go to mourn and release the"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "world of the past. So many people are"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "clinging to the idea of the old world"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "and they're trying to to get that world"}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "back. The world of the economy, that's"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "not possible. The world of uh of of the"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:19", "text": "the inexpensive energy, the cheap energy"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "of of 10 years ago, that's not possible"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "because we've reached the peak oil."}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "These are just examples. uh the the the"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "the food and the water uh that we're now"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "competing for in some parts of the"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "world, the way we're solving the"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "problems in Egypt and Iran and Syria and"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "Israel and uh the West Bank. All of"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "these things, those are all real life"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "examples of precisely. We're talking"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "about unsustainable ways of dealing with"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "everyday life based on science, false"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "assumptions of science, competition,"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "violent competition and separation. So"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "now that those events are right in our"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "face, we have to deal with them. We have"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "new opportunities and new solutions, but"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "many people simply don't know about the"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "discovery. It's not in the mainstream"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "media, but it's important in our lives."}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "And it's important because it gives us"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "the tools to adapt. Adapt, not force the"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "world back to the way that it used to"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "be, rather to adapt to the new normal"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "that is emerging in healthy, thriving"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "ways so that we can embrace the new"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "opportunities that that are happening"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "right now. resilience, personal"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "resilience and community resilience is"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "the key and that is part of the message"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "that uh that I'll be sharing."}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:44", "text": ">> If there's one thing that each of us can"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "do at home like starting from now each"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "of the people watching you to change"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "their life or not to change their life"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "to adapt or"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": ">> what would that be? That's a very good"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "question."}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "Based upon the false science of the past"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "that led us to believe we live in a"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "world of separation, we each have asked"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "ourselves a question every day,"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "consciously or subconsciously."}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "When we enter a relationship, a job, a"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "career, make a big decision, the"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:19", "text": "question is, \"What can I get from the"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "world that exists?\" That's the question."}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "What can I get? What's in it for me?"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:28", "text": ">> Now the question must change. What can I"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "give or what can I share? What can I"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "contribute? What can I offer to the"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "world that's emerging? When we make that"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "shift"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "from what can I get from the world that"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "exists to what can I give to the world"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "that's emerging, it changes everything."}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "It opens new doors of possibility. C."}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "Can I just give an example?"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:53", "text": ">> Yes, please. It opens new doors of"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "possibility. We all know the economy is"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "having a difficult time and people are"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "losing jobs. Industries are"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "disappearing."}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:02", "text": ">> You know, time that doesn't exist in"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "quantum quantum physics has just flown."}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "And thank you very much for your"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "presence here."}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:11", "text": ">> This was a fast very fast interview."}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:13", "text": ">> Very fast."}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:14", "text": ">> The time went by fast. Thank you. Thank"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "you very much and I hope to see you"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "again in Romania."}]

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So, I always like did the"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "psychedelic sort of like the psychedelic"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "research"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": ">> on the side um because like there was"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "hardly any funding for it. So I kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "kept my day job so to speak by getting"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "these uh these grants to do research"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "with cocaine which I also found very"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "interesting. And"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> how do you get a grant to do research?"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": ">> You you apply to the National Institute"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "on Drug Abuse. And so what I was f I did"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "some research when I was a posttock"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "after I got my PhD on like the"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "interactions between cocaine and"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "nicotine and caffeine. But the more"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "interesting stuff was the stuff that I"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "I conducted as principal investigator"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "got my own grant. I had a line of"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "research where I took behavioral"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "economic models. So a lot of my work has"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "been using like economic concepts and"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "studying human decision making"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": ">> to understand drug use like uh and"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "addiction. Um"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": ">> and so I developed these I took this"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "model from behavioral economics uh"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "called delay discounting. So offering"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "people choices between smaller sooner"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "versus larger or later amounts of money."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "And people who are addicted to whether"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "it's cocaine or cigarettes or anything"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "tend to be more immediate focused. They"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "tend to take the smaller sooner at the"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "expense of the larger later."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": ">> And so I applied that to cocaine and"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "sexual risk. I did this with"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "methamphetamine and alcohol too. drugs"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "are associated with risky sex"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": ">> like which can lead HIV and all kinds of"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "whatever unintended consequences,"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "unintended pregnancy, right? Um but um"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "asking people hypothetical decisions"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "about if you were in this um"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "this cont you met this person at a get"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "whatever somewhere and first they they"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "pick out amongst these all these like 60"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "photos what person they'd have casual"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "sex with"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": ">> as long as they're getting along, you"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "know, and so it's kind of fun for"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "people. It's like oh yeah, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:10", "text": ">> whatever."}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Gender is something there for everyone."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "could pick one gender, two genders, all"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "of the above, you know, whatever,"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": ">> whatever you're into. And"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": ">> and then from that, we do these tasks of"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "like asking them, okay, so let's say"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "they're down, would you use a condom or"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "not? Just like your likelihood on a"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "scale,"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:29", "text": ">> and they make the rating. And typically,"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "even like high-risisk people, like"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "cocaine addicted people"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": ">> would say, you know, there's some"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "exceptions, but they'd say, \"No, I'm"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "very likely to use a condom.\" But then"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "you say, \"Okay, now you got to wait five"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "minutes. you're having unprotected sex"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "now or waiting five minutes and then"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "different delays like some it's an hour."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "It could go up to like next day you got"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "to get there together tomorrow. But you"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "could see that as you sh you had to wait"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "to use sex with a condom. You would see"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "that would drastically change"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:59", "text": ">> is this"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> their their function. They would shift"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "towards unprotected sex. And then we got"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "people loaded on cocaine. So we"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "administered cocaine to them and it"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "didn't touch those money decisions. So"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "whether they'd want the $50 now or $100"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "in a month, but for these sexual"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "decisions, it had a strong effect."}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "They'd be like, \"No, I'm down now.\" Like"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "they're on cocaine. And so which to me"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "it opened up a lens of like this is"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "where it's not just this association of"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "cocaine with it. Like if you talk to"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "people like they're, you know, heavy"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "cocaine users and they'll just do like"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "wild stuff. Like I remember stories of"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "like one guy in a treatment study I was"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "running was uh we would have him talk"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "about context in which they would use"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "cocaine. He's like, \"Okay, a lot of"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "times I'm hanging out with my my female"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "cousin. This is a guy and like we'd get,"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "you know, we'd get, you know, we'd get"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "high and"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "let's just say we'd move from the"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "kitchen into the bedroom and she"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "wouldn't be my cousin anymore, if you"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "hear me. like things like this. Like"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "there's all kinds of things that people"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "and there's a good number of folks that"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "would, you know, they identify as"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "straight,"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:12", "text": ">> but once coaxes in the system, it's"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "like,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:14", "text": ">> wow,"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": ">> yeah, that story doesn't hold up"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": ">> and they they start divulging this stuff"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "when they're on cocaine."}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": ">> Well, those stories come from people,"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "you know, not when they're on cocaine,"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "but I they seem like very credible"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "because they're not like"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": ">> I see nothing. These aren't things to"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "brag about. Like,"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": ">> yeah, just people I've been able to talk"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "to in the context of these studies cuz I"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "always like whether it's cocaine or"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "psychedelics, like"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": ">> I've really valued sitting down and"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "really talking to people like and and a"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "lot of scientists that do the type of"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "thing I do, there can be a judgment and"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "like, well, these are cocaine users."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "These are, you know, like like"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:49", "text": ">> it's like no, like tell me how like how"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "do you score coke in Baltimore? Where do"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "you Oh, you call it like ready rock."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "What's that? Oh, it's like it's a"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "Baltimore thing, you know, like, okay,"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "do you sell in like $5 amounts like, you"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "know, how do you do it? Like what would"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "you say? You know, just I want to, you"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "know, oh, the different types of heroin"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "on east side, west side, Baltimore, like"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "I want to know"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": ">> like all these things that people, you"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "know, like,"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": ">> you know, and understand like what"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "people are what's motivating them and"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "like how like just the the the so the"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "sociology"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": ">> of of the drug use environment and"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "what's motivating people. And so I've"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "really valued that aspect. So I'll"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "usually take the time to, you know, kind"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "of really get to know people and um try"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "to understand these things and and some"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "of it is in the context like the guy"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "with his cousin that was in the context"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "of Yeah. where as part of the study"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "we're having them talk about the"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "environments that they normally use in"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": ">> but um but yeah, so cocaine and sex"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "though go like and same with"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "methamphetamine. They go hand in hand."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "You ask any"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": ">> Oh, with methamphetamine, same thing."}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Meth and sex. So any psycho motor"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "stimulant and sex they are like strong"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": ">> how do you explain"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": ">> people get Randy so and I showed for the"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "first time"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": ">> um even though you know"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": ">> anecdotally like anyone could have told"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "you this it's been around cocaine a lot"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "but"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": ">> we showed under double blind conditions"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "that just cocaine"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": ">> increases sexual arousal to a"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "substantial degree. So people get horny"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "when they're on cocaine or"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "methamphetamine. Sometimes more so with"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "meth cocaine sometimes, not always. It"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "interferes with the ability to perform,"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Viagra,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:29", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": ">> You heard the story. I don't know if you"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "heard the story. This is this dude named"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "Dan Bilzerian. He was like a like a"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "playboy type guy who was always running"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "running around on yachts with like"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": ">> tons of women."}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": ">> And he had a heart attack in his 20s."}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": ">> And he explains he was in Vegas doing"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "coke for like three days straight. And"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "he said that like he went to go uh have"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "sex with this chick and he couldn't get"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "it up so he ate like four Viagraas and"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "he started to have a heart attack and he"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "had to go to the ER and he had like"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "ended up having like two heart attacks"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "or something crazy. Wow."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": ">> Not a good combination."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": ">> Especially in your 20s"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": ">> and a lot of people have same thing"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "could happen with MDMA but like so"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "Viagra I think about 25 years ago at"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "least it was in some headlines people"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "would call it sexy like the combo of"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "like MDMA ecstasy and"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:12", "text": ">> so does that have the same effect?"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": ">> Viagra. Well, yeah. Like what just"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "counteract? Yeah. MDMA can cause"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "impotence."}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": ">> So, it's like one might feel more"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "romantic and cuddling up and everything,"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "but if they want to seal the deal,"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": ">> So, same with coke. Not always, but it"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "just"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": ">> It's like heavy alcohol like"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": ">> the will might be there, but the things"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "may not function totally."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> But nonetheless, it's enough of it. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "not a a black or white thing, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "because there's plenty of That's one of"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "the issue. That's how I got the grant"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "funding to look at these drugs, both"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "meth and coke."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": ">> There's a lot of HIV because of with"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "heroin, it's more of injecting. With"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "coke and meth, it's more of like, no, I"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "just,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": ">> you know, got loaded and did some crazy"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "stuff. And a lot of it's like like men"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "on the, you know, there's a thing it was"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "called, was it Oprah decades ago?"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Brothers on the down low,"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": ">> like probably because of stigma. I was"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "like um amongst African-American men"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "that didn't want to admit that they"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "occasionally or more than occasionally"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "um uh had male partners that then they"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "didn't tell their they kept it from the"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "females. So there was a transmission of"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "HIV."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": ">> Because they were having anal sex with"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "males but then"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": ">> more chance of getting HIV that way"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": ">> much. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:28", "text": ">> Dramatically which is like and sometimes"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "I think we"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": ">> we don't do the public a service because"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "it you know we're too prudish. It's like"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "no like yeah unprotected anal sex is"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": ">> that was always the issue that's doing"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "cocaine you're more likely to get AIDS"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "because you're going to take the you're"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "going to roll the dice by not if you"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "don't have a condom."}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:46", "text": ">> So the answer is have a condom on you"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": ">> right like"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": ">> especially gay cokeheads out there keep"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "condoms on you."}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": ">> It's not a because"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": ">> this is pride month. We're doing them a"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "service. Yeah, because you know you"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "don't know where things like people I"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "worked with you know it's like yes and"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "you meet someone at the laundry mat one"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "thing you know like whatever like just"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": ">> you know having I was actually wanted to"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": ">> do some research on um didn't get the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "funding for it but just trying to"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "encourage people to carry con on like"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "high-risisk populations men have sex"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "with men who have history of"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": ">> sex that they regret you know with novel"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "partners unprotected but just to like"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "reinforce them like um if you if we text"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "you like a few random times a week and"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "you happen to have a condom in your"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "wallet, we'll give you 10 bucks. Like"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "just to get them in the habit of just"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "like just carry a condom on you,"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": ">> right? Um, which would really help"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "because, you know, you could be"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "moralistic and puritan and say, \"Oh, no,"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "you shouldn't.\" But like, okay."}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:50", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Like, whatever. At least because what my"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "research showed me was that not always,"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "but most of the time when these"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "supposedly high-risisk populations"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:01", "text": ">> when they had the choice,"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:03", "text": ">> they would say they'd use a condom if"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "they had it there,"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": ">> But when they're rolling like and when"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "it's not just the Coke, but also just"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "the you know, breaking the action."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": ">> You know, biology is happening and it's"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "like someone's got to stop and say,"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "\"Hold on. Do you have a Oh, no."}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:19", "text": ">> Right. What's the phrase? A bird in the"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "hand is worth two in the bush or"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "something like what is it? Two in the"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "hands is worth No.\""}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Bird in the hand is worth two in"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "the bush. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": ">> Right. Exactly. Not I'm not going to"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "risk this opportunity right now."}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:29", "text": ">> Oh yeah. maybe she or he will whatever"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "second guess and just once things are"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "going you don't want to put the brakes"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "on and like"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": ">> and you add coke to that or meth and"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "it's like even"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": ">> gas on fire."}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:43", "text": ">> Yeah. So so hypothetically uh not that"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "me or anyone I know would ever do such a"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "thing, but in a in a purely scientific"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "uh laboratory setting, if somebody was"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "on cocaine and their PP didn't work,"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "what drug would they use? Well, they"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "would use Viagra."}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": ">> That's that would be"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": ">> or the other or scalis. Um,"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:04", "text": ">> but those aren't those are not safe"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "combinations."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": ">> Well, first of all, cocaine's not safe,"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": ">> right? Well, if you if you"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": ">> So, this is all a relative conversation."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "So, there and there will always be Well,"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": ">> there's some exceptions, but"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": ">> virtually a combination of two things is"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "almost always riskier than taking one"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "thing. So, two drugs"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:25", "text": ">> Exactly. is usually compound more risk."}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "So yes, there's risk. Um but"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": ">> most toxic drug effects are dose and"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "frequency dependent."}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:38", "text": ">> Meaning, yeah, the guy taken four Viagra"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "is like one thinks, well, couldn't he"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "have tried one, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": ">> Um maybe he wouldn't have had a heart"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "heart attack. He still could have. Still"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "a risk, but"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": ">> but with the I don't understand though."}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "So the Viagra Viagra is just like a it's"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "like a vasod diilator, right? So like"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "how would that cause how would that"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "hypothetically mixed with cocaine cause"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "a heart attack? Do you know?"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": ">> I don't know. Cocaine can be a vasoc"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "constrictor,"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": ">> I'm not even sure a cardiologist would"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "the cardiologist probably would know"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "something about how Viagra calls a"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "cardiac event, but"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:19", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": ">> No one probably knows specifically about"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "the combination together."}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": ">> Mhm. Right. Um I mean we know cocaine I"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "mean it in simply at the level of"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "increasing uh blood pressure and pulse"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": ">> you do that with anything which is why"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "even to a mild degree psilocybin can be"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "a risk for a heart uh a cardiac event in"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "people at severe uh heart disease risk."}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:42", "text": ">> Oh really?"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": ">> Um because it has a modest effect on"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "blood. These are the same people that"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "they could have a cardiac event going up"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "a couple flights of stairs or it's"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "actually pretty common like people"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "having sex."}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": ">> Guy shows up to the ER like having sex"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "with his wife or whoever."}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:58", "text": ">> Totally."}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:59", "text": ">> Like anything that raises your heart up"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "by, you know, heart rate up and your"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "blood pressure for"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": ">> people who at severe risk can push them"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "over the edge. So even psilocybin can be"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "a risk and very at which we you weed"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "people out in research easy to check"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "their blood pressure, right? But um"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "wild"}]

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And um to this day I um"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "like absolutely believe that that that"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "was"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": ">> like when you were on ketamine"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": ">> ket ketamine uh didn't I didn't don't"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "remember hearing voices on ketamine but"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "yeah there was a lot of stuff going on"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "with that particularly uh"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "like the combination of cocaine and"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "nitrous oxide and sleep deprivation"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": ">> was um I would say my my main portal"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "into like the"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": ">> to Jesus"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": ">> not Jesus like I don't I don't care for"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "you know religion"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": ">> so much like uh"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": ">> I you know like if I have a spiritual"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "you know belief about the you know"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "what's beyond our our uh you know 3D"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "like you know physical human experience"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "I get it from uh accounts of near-death"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "exper experiences which are very like"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": ">> DMT"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": ">> I don't know about DMT but um there's"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "just a lot of people I mean perhaps"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "millions certainly thousands who um have"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "one way or another like died"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:41", "text": ">> and had the experience of you know"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "what's beyond death but come back into"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "their body and um you know like the"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "these accounts are"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": ">> consistent enough, you know, like you"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "got people all over the world and"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "they're describing the same things, you"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "know, like like"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": ">> across the board like, you know, fairly"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "universally they describe like being"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "enveloped by like unfathomable"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "love and bliss and then all of a sudden"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "like they like like this experience that"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "they had as a human being like um is"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "kind of revealed to be an illusion. like"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "they're like, \"Oh, that was kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "weird.\" And and but this love is this"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "actually their home, you know, and"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": ">> and there's uh"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:30", "text": ">> there's um"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Have you ever had a near-death"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "experience?"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": ">> I've not. No, I've just"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": ">> That's shocking."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": ">> Yeah. I've had lots of I'm not okay"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "moments, but never like died and came"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "back. But um what's particularly"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "uh you know like I don't know important"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "to me I suppose is uh in these"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "near-death experience accounts there's a"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "lot of uh descriptions of what's called"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "life review you know people say that uh"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "that when you die your life flashes"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "before your eyes you know and like"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:03", "text": ">> like there's like real that's a really"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "another consistent part of this this"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "NDE thing where people describe that on"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "the other side of death there's not uh"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "like the constraint of time you know"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "like somehow time doesn't apply in uh"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "you know in like the spirit realm"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "whatever um so when you think oh your"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "life flashes before your eyes"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": ">> it's like without the constraint of time"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "you've got like you know real immersion"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "into this uh life review as it's called"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "and the purpose of it is not so that you"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "can you know reminisce and reflect. It's"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "it's rather"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": ">> like you experience like all these uh"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "you know notable moments from your life."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "People describe experiencing these"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "notable moments from the perspective of"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "the people who they uh had an effect on."}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "So everybody that like you just [\u00a0__\u00a0] on"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "and and bummed out like did harm to like"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "upset like as well as everybody who you"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "you know spread joy to and and made them"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "you know feel great like you you have"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "the experience of how you made other"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "people feel"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": ">> through their perspective"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": ">> as them straight up as them and without"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "the constraint of time and in"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "unfathomable detail like"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:28", "text": ">> dude how the [\u00a0__\u00a0] does that work? Well,"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "I mean"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": ">> I mean I don't think you can come up"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "with any sort of like conventional uh"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "scientific explanation for that. You"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:38", "text": ">> it I I absolutely concur that that it"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "would be beyond our you know limited"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "limited capabilities to properly"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "understand it. Um, I think that uh that"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "pe people who h have these near-death"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "experiences, there's so much"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "irrefutable, I would say irrefutable"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "evidence where, you know, people are"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "like not registering any uh like sign of"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "life period. They've got like they're"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "flatlined, you know, like there's"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "they're they're not conscious. They're"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "demonstrabably not conscious, but"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "they've they come back, you know, they"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "come back to life and then like tell the"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "the the doctors what was going on."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:24", "text": ">> You know, they're like, \"Oh, I was"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "floating up above the room. I saw you"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "grab this. Oh, yeah. You had the stain"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "on your shirt.\" Like, you know, like"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "they know like and and the doctors are"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "confounded like, \"Wait, there's there is"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "no way that that that this person was"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "conscious yet they're telling me what"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "happened.\" And like I I'm just really"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "confident that there's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "irrefutable evidence to that point. So"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "you get to uh you know what seems to me"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "to be a very logical conclusion that you"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "cannot point to the brain as being uh"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "the a generator of consciousness. You"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "know, like that like like like we we"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "seem to have evidence that consciousness"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "exists separate from our brain activity."}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": ">> You know, and and that we cannot science"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "can't figure that out. You know, science"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "can figure out that like I mean just,"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "you know, the doctors being told what"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "happened in the room by someone who is"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "dead. They're like, \"Okay, they know. We"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "don't know how they know. We don't know"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "how consciousness exists separate from"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "the brain.\" But my like dumb little"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "theory is that uh that the that the"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "brain rather than being a a transmitter"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "of consciousness rather than being the"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "the origin the originator of"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "consciousness it's simply the the brain"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "is is like a receiver you know like kind"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "of like our brain is like effectively"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "picking up the signal of our soul"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": ">> the Wi-Fi signal"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:53", "text": ">> you know and so then if you if you take"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "this analogy like a step further. Um,"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "then uh, you know, you imagine like a"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "radio picking up a signal. You know, you"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "can take a sledgehammer, you can destroy"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "the radio to no end, absolutely"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "obliterate it, but you've done nothing"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "to affect the signal that that brain was"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "receiving. So, if you follow that"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "analogy, then it kind of makes sense"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "that we could have the death of our"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "body, but have consciousness separate"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "from from the body. And I think floating"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "through the ether."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": ">> Yeah. And like, you know, I I get like"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "pretty into some wild stuff like uh I I"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "had this little little phase where I was"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "reading about uh the Plleadenss. I don't"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "even know if you say it that that right,"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "but like in in in all this like"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "different the different crazy theories"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "that I've uh"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "I've read, one thing that that stuck out"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "to me quite a bit was u the the um"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "scientific"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "like the science community I think"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "agrees that"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "95%"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "of human DNA they've got no clue what it"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "what it's for. And the scientific term"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "for like this 95% of our DNA is junk"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "DNA. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:16", "text": ">> Can you look up junk DNA?"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": ">> And uh you know I'm I'm not like"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": ">> sure if I'm remembering this right but"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "like the the effectively"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": ">> if I if I'm remember correctly like the"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "scientific community cannot figure out"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "what 95% of our DNA is for. And I heard"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "a a crazy theory that um"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": ">> claims that 95% 95% of human DNA is junk"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "has been the topic of significant debate"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "in the scientific community."}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "Historically, much of the human genome"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "was considered non-oding and thus"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "labeled as junk DNA."}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": ">> Now I just simply like you know like why"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "why this this uh you know was impactful"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "for me is because uh 95% of our DNA"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "being called junk. I but I just that"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "seems unrealistic."}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:03", "text": ">> I I mean I personally think that there's"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "um a little bit more of an underlying"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "intelligence going on in the universe"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "than to just be making that much garbage"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "that's not good for anything. And um the"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "the theory that that I read was that um"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "you know there's like all these uh I"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "don't what do you want to call it like"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "entities gods spirits you know and um"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": ">> that that originally"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "that uh humans"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "that we were multi-dimensional"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "beings you know that that that we were"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "and that that's what the 95%"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "of the DNA was for is sound like Billy"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "Carson right now."}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": ">> Yeah. like like multi-dimensional in the"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "sense that like um you know we I don't"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "know like we like we had uh like our our"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "soul was like like active more actively"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "you know not separate from from our body"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "like um"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:03", "text": ">> and the the the theory in this pleadian"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "or pleadenss was that um"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "that the humans became too um like as"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "multi-dimensional beings we were too"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "difficult to control. So, uh it said"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "that that some 300,000"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "years ago like uh you know like wanting"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "to be controlled or wanting to be able"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "to control us that they unplugged like"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "95% of our DNA."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": ">> So, we're no longer multi-dimensional"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "beings. But like if you if if if you"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "look at the the people dying and knowing"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "what happened when they were literally"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "dead and then then you think okay well"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "there is yeah"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": ">> consciousness operating separate from"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "brain activity right"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": ">> then you know but then again it's all"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "just silly."}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": ">> Well maybe that's like maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "similar to like when you're playing a"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "video game and you die and it just like"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "plays your death back over again or like"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "you can go back and like rewind and play"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "through it."}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "Um it could be something"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:07", "text": ">> perhaps but but again like the people"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "describing the life review um it's uh"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "like the the the key purpose"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "clearly is to uh to reap what you sow"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "you know like the the idea that uh"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": ">> that"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "you experience everything as those who"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "you had an impact on you know"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": ">> now like I think that a lot of u"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "different"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "um you know religions like spiritual"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "like you know like there's it's common"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "like the the the concept of oneness you"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "know that like we're all interconnected"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": ">> that we're all like effectively one just"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "one thing I've heard it described as um"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": ">> we're all eyes in the same head"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": ">> you know like"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:55", "text": ">> I I like the I personally love the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "theory that all of all of creation is an"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "exercise in the universe universe"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "experiencing itself."}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "Because if you think of like the like"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "the universe as as one thing"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "uh one thing by definition cannot have"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "experience because there's no other"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "thing to relate to right you know like"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "you can't have up without down left"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "without right you know you can't have"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "good without bad"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:26", "text": ">> so like as and I think that that the you"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "know my spiritual take on it would be"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "that this is what like big bang was you"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "know"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "Science for all of its greatness talks"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "about Big Bang, but they're not even"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "going anywhere near what banged,"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": ">> right? Like I mean, you could be like"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "really pretty sure that there was a Big"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "Bang, but like what are we doing here if"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "you don't have any idea of what like it"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "was that banged? Like what came before"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "that, you know? So,"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": ">> how did it Yeah."}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": ">> So, everybody's in the dark."}]

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Uh"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": ">> because Bokeh Grand is like where"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "everyone catches the tarpon and like you"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "can go catch a tarpon and like any day"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "of the week cameras will come up and"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "just eat these like 200lb tarpon in one"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "bite."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": ">> That that didn't happen."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": ">> Okay. Um,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "Pontius rode uh"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "like we towed towed him on an inflatable"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "orca in Alaska with like legit wild"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "orcas in the shot like right behind him."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": ">> I think Manny told me about this. you"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "guys dumped him in the water in front of"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:48", "text": ">> like apparently if I remember correctly"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "there was uh not a lot of um"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "like like"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "there was like not a lot of data from"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "like humans swimming with wild"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:03", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": ">> orcas"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> and like like they they didn't know"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "what's going to happen. They they knew"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "like they weren't orca's going to kill"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "you, you're you're going to get killed."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> They killed great white sharks."}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Big time. Um but uh our experience"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "was and everyone was a little bit"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "surprised that trying to swim with the"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "orcas that you just couldn't get near"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "him. They just didn't want to mess with"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "you."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": ">> man. He was in that water like trying to"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "go ride an orca."}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": ">> And they just they weren't having it."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Yeah. He said that you guys saw it in"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "Alaska like a pot of orcas and he was"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "like go drop me off in front of them"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": ">> and he's like I got in the water and the"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "visibility was like this in that water."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "He didn't see it until like he it was"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "literally right next to him."}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> I don't think he even managed to get"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "like I just think that they weren't cool"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "with being around humans"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:48", "text": ">> really"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:49", "text": ">> if I remember."}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": ">> I don't think there's ever been a case"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "where an orc has attacked a human in the"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "wild."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": ">> Never once."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Isn't that strange, dude? Because they"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] eat dolphins. They eat great"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "whites just for their liver."}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": ">> Like they [\u00a0__\u00a0] animals up."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": ">> But not humans. They don't they don't"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "they don't want to mess with hum."}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, unless you're unless you put"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "them in a tank, then they'll drown you."}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": ">> Oh yeah, you do. SeaWorld thing, too."}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:10", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. You did do the SeaWorld. You"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "did two different SeaWorld stunts,"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "didn't you?"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": ">> I sure did."}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Yeah, that was during my like militant"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "vegan phase when uh when my approach to"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "animal advocacy"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": ">> Well, you don't have to be a vegan to"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "protest SeaWorld. What SeaWorld does is"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] criminal, bro."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Right. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:29", "text": ">> Didn't you go to jail for one of them?"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Uh, I was sentenced to uh 30 days in"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "jail. I ended up serving eight hours."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "That's not bad."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Was that the one on the crane?"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:42", "text": ">> Yep. Yeah, it was expensive."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": ">> It was expensive and and uh arguably"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "worth the the publicity. But like just"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "looking back on that one, like I'm just"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "not I'm not proud of the the wasting of"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "of uh emergency first responders"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "resources, you know? Like there were so"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "many like fire trucks and cops and it"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "was just like what a waste, you know? M"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:09", "text": ">> um and uh and it was dumb. Like I'm on a"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "crane nowhere near Seir World. Like"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": ">> the the reason I did that was because my"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "buddies and I had just gotten like our"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "first drone. We just learned how to fly"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "the drone."}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": ">> And like so now what are we going to"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "film with the drone? Like to get"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "something awesome like I now need to get"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "myself hella up in the air. So, I'm just"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "like looking up at like and I see cranes"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "and I'm like, \"Well, be kind of rad to"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "be like treacherously on a gnarly super"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "tall crane and have the drone shot of"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "that.\" But that's only half an idea. So,"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "I'm like, \"What am I going to do?\" I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "like, \"All right, well, if I'm on a"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "crane, we'll get the cool drone shot."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "I'll bring I'll bring an inflatable"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "whale that says SeaWorld sucks and blow"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "up fireworks.\" Like, you know, all"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "right. Like, uh, sure. Um I remember uh"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "after doing that there were so many"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "people for years who like hey man I"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "really respect like what what you did to"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "stand up against SeaWorld"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:09", "text": ">> and um you know on one level sure like"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": ">> I uh you know I suppose my heart was in"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "the right place but also at the same"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "time like I was just attention whoring"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "you know I was like yeah that was just"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "me like if I if I do this I'll get"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "attention headlines you"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "and I certainly did."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:31", "text": ">> Um, but between wasting the emergency"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "responders, you know, time and, uh,"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "being a blatant, you know, attention"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "grabb"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "negative reinforcement approach to"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "animal advocacy, like but that's sort of"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "a trifecta of not my proudest moment."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:54", "text": ">> It helped though, right? Because I think"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "right after that, didn't"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": ">> it? It was I think coincidental that"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "like within two weeks of that there was"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "the first legislation that said uh no no"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "more breeding of orcas in captivity."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": ">> I think that's what it was."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Because they would go out and just"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "straight up capture those those orcas"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "and dolphins and put them in those"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "tanks."}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": ">> Yeah. I I don't know."}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": ">> Yeah. You know what I think at this"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "point like whatever orcas are in"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "captivity and that then that's it. And"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "then once uh they've all, you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "died, then I don't know that you can"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "replace them anymore."}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:32", "text": ">> Certainly can't breed them anymore in"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "captivity."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": ">> And Yeah, I agree. It's terrible"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": ">> cuz you're like literally driving them"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "crazy. Like they're like mentally ill"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "when they're in those tanks,"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": ">> dude."}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:42", "text": ">> You can just slowly die this like slow"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "death and they're they're [\u00a0__\u00a0] I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "sure they I'm sure they become some"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "level of like psychotic"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": ">> for sure. I mean, I think it's just the"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "fact of their dorsal fin flopping over."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "It's like they've just like lost their"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "will, you know, or whatever, like broken"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "their spirit."}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": ">> And like it's it's terrible, you know."}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "But I think um"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "you know if I were to uh you know point"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "to something that upsets me like way"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "more it's just like the grand scale of"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "animal agriculture the factory farming"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "you know like"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": ">> that's like there's I mean"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": ">> that's so widespread. It's on such a"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "huge scale"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": ">> and and not only is it terrible for the"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "for [\u00a0__\u00a0] nature but it's also"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "terrible for humans too to eat that"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:30", "text": ">> I think so. I think so. I I haven't"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "eaten any meat other than seafood for"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "more than 17 years."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:39", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:39", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:41", "text": ">> I think seafood's probably the"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "healthiest."}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Uh and and like I I believe I I don't"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "think that dying's that big of a deal. I"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "mean, sure, it's just like everybody's"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "got to die, you know? I think it's"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "living that's difficult, you know? like"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "suffering in life is is what I think we"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "want to avoid. And for me to imagine a"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "fish that lives in the ocean"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "naturally, it has a great life and then"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "ultimately at the end of its life it's"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "caught, you know, like it's the it had a"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "good life is what's important to me."}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Yeah. you know, and and where I've gone"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "back and forth between eating no meat"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "whatsoever and eating seafood. I believe"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "that uh I was just doing my body all"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "kinds of not helpful"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": ">> with chicken, you know, all that like"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "the Beyond Burgers, like they're"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "delicious. It's great. But that's not"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "food, dude."}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": ">> No,"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": ">> that's an absurd substance."}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": ">> It's something made in a lab. like"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "chemists in a lab like trying to figure"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "out like how do we make this thing look"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "more like a burger and taste more like a"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "burger and like all the chemicals and"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] that are in it."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": ">> It's terrible."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": ">> It's so bad."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": ">> Yeah, it's terrible. So, um I just think"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "that my body recognizes seafood as"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "actual food."}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Mhm. And that uh you know now with the"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "all the over fishing in the oceans"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "another [\u00a0__\u00a0] huge problem you know"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": ">> you know eating fish am I contributing"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "to the like the destruction of the"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "ecosystem of the ocean and the whole"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "balance of nature and like there's no"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "more [\u00a0__\u00a0] fish. What do they say that"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "uh that plastic in the ocean will"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "outweigh fish"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": ">> like in the near future?"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Really? I'm not I wouldn't be surprised."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "seen a lot of reports where they find"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "like tons of chemicals in fish that's in"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "the water and microlastics in fish now"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "and it's Yeah."}]

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I don't know how long he's been"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "sober, but like to see how he basically"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "went downhill after the whole like uh"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "after bea labam I think it was was the"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "last one."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "And then the jackass stuff. Like it's"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "just like that's one of the things too"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "that's crazy to me is like when somebody"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "g gets fame so early it's really hard"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "for them to like get a real grip on"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "reality. You know what I mean?"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Especially when like you have everyone"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "that's giving you everything you want"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "and you have have unlimited access to"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "money and drugs and stuff like this. I"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "feel like it's a common theme. I feel"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "like you know like what happened with"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "Bam."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "I think anybody who uh has um you know"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "any measure of celebrity bestowed on"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "them you know like fame and fortune"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "comes with growing pains. I think"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "regardless of what age you're at,"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "certainly it's going to be harder to"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "navigate if you're super young when it"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "happens."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "But um"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "yeah, I think that uh"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "Yeah, I you know, and I just think every"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "case is different."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "Yeah. I thought it was I thought it was"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "uh it was super sad when we were talking"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "to Novak to like because I guess him and"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Novak don't talk anymore, right? Is that"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "what he was saying?"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "I don't think so. Yeah. Not at that"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "time. I don't know if they do now. I"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "mean, he went for a long time not even"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "talking to his parents, you know, and"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "even now, I think he only texts, but"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "Yeah. That's just super It's super crazy"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "to me because like,"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "you know, we grew up like watching all"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "the all you guys like doing all this"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "crazy stuff together and that's like"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "what inspired like me to even like get"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "into doing this stuff."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "It's crazy. I don't think there's"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "anybody who's not been rooting for Bam."}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "Yeah. to do well, like wanting him to be"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "like, and that includes like Knoxville,"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "Tmaine, like everybody, like everybody"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "like wants him to be happy and healthy,"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "successful, and thriving, right?"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "Like without exception. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "And um you know like I I just view that"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "it comes down to accountability, you"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "know, like like"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "it it seems very evident that he's um"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "managing to stay out of jail and out of"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "rehab and like that's great and it it"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "would certainly seem that he's uh"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "you know abstinent from drugs and"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "alcohol. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "Um I just think that the that the key"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "difference what's going to unlock his"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "potential"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "is to stop uh blaming you know everybody"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "else cuz like you know like whenever he"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "finds himself in front of a microphone"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "it just sure seems like he's"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "he's like oh Knoxville and the"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "thumbtacks and you know like what you"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "know whatever it is like it's just this"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "uh this this kind of it seems like"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "victim mentality you know and like and"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "it's everybody but him and like there's"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "he's never like everything just happened"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "to him and um I I just believe strongly"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "that if uh if you want to um you know"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "assume the mentality of a victim it's"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "very easy to do that but then you've"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "relinquished control over uh your"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "circumstance"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "you know like when you take"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "responsibility and accountability for"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "for your situation like you can get a"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "lot uh more done you know you can Sure."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "And I think that like when people are"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "accountable that that in and of itself"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "like just uh you know cultivates respect"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "and it's endearing you know."}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. No, but like it's it's got"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "to be a hard thing for him, too, because"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "I think he I mean I could be wrong, but"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "I think he like just dropped out of"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "school to skateboard all the time,"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "right, when he was really young and his"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "parents, which is like a double-edged"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "sword because like on one hand, you're"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "enabling him to do like what ended up"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "creating who he ended up being, which is"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "Bam, you know, like superstar like"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "and uh you know, on the other hand, it's"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "like you know, you missed out on like a"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "lot of like normal like life experiences"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "and learning lessons. that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "normal people usually get. And uh for"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "me, it seems like that combined with"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "Ryan Dunn dying seemed to be like what"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "really catapulted him down that that"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "rabbit hole or that that dark spiral,"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "you know?"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "I mean, sure. Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "yeah, I mean, like it definitely didn't"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "didn't help, you know."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Yeah. But I also understand that Ryan"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "Dunn was very much alive and present"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "for at least one of BAM's interventions."}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "Oh, really? Okay."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "So, like the the issues were there"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "already,"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "right? Right."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "Yeah. But whatever. I mean, I'm still"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "like,"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "you know, like I absolutely"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "believe that there's just it's never too"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "late, you know. And and especially when"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "it comes to alcoholism and and"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "addiction, um you know, there's no such"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "thing as too far gone."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "There literally isn't, you know, like"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "the and if anything, there's such a"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "thing as not far gone enough,"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "you know, like it's it's perhaps"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "counterintuitive, but um you know, the"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "first step is we admitted we were"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "powerless, that our life had become"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "unmanageable. You know, like the first"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "step is to admit defeat. And if you're"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "not far gone enough, if you're like,"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "\"Oh, you know, like I don't have a"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "problem that's that bad.\" Like, \"I still"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "kind of got it.\" Then you're just not a"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "bad enough to keep going."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "You're not Yeah. And that's like to me"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "recover from it."}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "100%. It's the the to me the worst"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "situation would be to just kind of have"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "alcoholism"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "like enough that it can slow you down"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and screw up your relationships and stop"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "you from accomplishing your goals,"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "but it's not bad enough that it needs to"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "be addressed. Uh"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "so like your life just slips through"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "your fingers just years at a time,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "decades go by and then you're like what?"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "I blew it."}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "As opposed to having alcoholism so"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "terribly bad that it cannot continue."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "You know, like me and Novak basically, I"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "would say, you know, like the way that"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "we were operating was not okay and like"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "we we had to acknowledge that and"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "because it was so bad then,"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "okay, we became willing to address it,"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "you know, like like the the you really"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "want to overshoot the mark of like"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "Yeah. You you don't want any like um"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "you know, plausible deniability."}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "Right. Right. Right. like that that I'm"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "so grateful for that because like I do"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "not have to wonder if I need to do the"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "stuff that the sober people need to do."}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "Like it's very clear to me like I have"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "like it, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "you have to"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "I I got to."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "So like having you know being in like a"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "a gray zone is not it's not bueno when"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "it comes to this."}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you can just end up just"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "going farther and farther and farther"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "until you end up dying. And it's a"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "miracle some of you know like Novak,"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "right? didn't [\u00a0__\u00a0] die"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "big time. I mean, when your situation's"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "as bad as ours was and then you actually"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "do something about it, like all right,"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "cuz"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "like being wasted all the time, it's"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "such a time suck. It's such a a resource"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "drain,"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "you know, like and on top of that,"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "you're creating so much wreckage and and"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "like just being counterproductive,"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "going in the wrong direction. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "And then like when when you like"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "actually get clean and sober, like"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "you've now freed up so much of your"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "time, so much of your resources, right?"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "Like you're you're not like uh trying to"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "undo damage, you know, like you're not"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "on defense like that."}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "But what if what if they work together"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "though? like like you know some of the"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "biggest rock stars in the world who are"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "literally when in their 20s getting paid"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "to fly jets around the world and as soon"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "as they land a chauffeur shows up with a"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "briefcase full of cocaine and every"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "single drug known to man and it's just"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "enabling you. 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Somebody um said, \"Give me an"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "example of uh of you know, bands or"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "musicians that have been around for"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "decades and made their best music at the"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "end of their career"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "when they got sober.\""}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "Well, no, no, I'm not not even talking"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "about the end of their career. 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I mean, you you just like made a"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "glaring point, valid point that like"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "we're in a deeply subjective water."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "So, you know, so you can only kind of go"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "with like consensus and maybe like take"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "it to a poll, you know, like the"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "majority of people think. But uh but"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "yeah, it's interesting, man. And um and"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "and I don't disagree. There was a point"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "like for for me like to to the point of"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "like successful and everything's"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "working, you know, like in in my early"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "career like being out of control and"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "wasted all the time, like it just worked"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "right in there with my brand, you know."}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "And uh you know, you see Bam still like"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "trying to like like oh yeah, the more"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "we're on TMZ, like the you know, the"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "better publicity and like you know, like"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "it's there's a point when it was working"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "and and that was great and and I got"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "away with it."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "And and there's a point when it stops"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "working"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "and I think that uh you know on some"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "level there's a lot of uh you know my"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "wasted years that was of supreme value"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "in a creative sense. But as I got"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "towards the end of my run with drugs and"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "alcohol, it I it had really devolved,"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "you know, and then it was just like, oh,"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "what did I pee on this time? You know,"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "like, oh, Steo peed on a red carpet or"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "like, you know, like,"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "got kicked out of here for doing that,"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "you know, like"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "creativity wasn't so fresh anymore."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "How are they funded? That's a big that's"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "a really interesting question as well"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "that I think there's a lot of funding"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "mechanisms for such programs. Like back"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "in the 80s, uh the Navy was being"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "overcharged by the Grumman Corporation"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "and some other corporations. They were"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "being charged like 600 $400 to $600 for"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "ashtrays in like F-14s."}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": ">> And so there's just a F14. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "ashtrays and F-14s. And that brings me"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "back to that guy I told you about Ed at"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "Ed at Edwards Air Force Base. After he"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "was done at Edwards, he went on to work"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "at the Pentagon for the Air Force"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "Research, Development, Test, and"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Evaluation Panel chain."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Uh he said in in two separate years, $34"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "billion and then $40 billion went"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "missing from the Air Force and"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "non-transfer of authority funds just"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "completely wiped off the books."}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": ">> You know, I I've also been privy to"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "conversations with individuals who have"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "seen cash transactions, huge pallets of"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "cash transacted for UFO legacy programs."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "And then of course you have uh Katherine"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "Austin Fitz who talks about really"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "creative funding uh from the DoD and"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "Housing and Urban Development. And you"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "got a great story from um SIC, Science"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "Applications International Corporation."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "And I' I'd love to tell you a really"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "really intriguing story about uh SIC's"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "kind of contract work if you don't mind."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": ">> So"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "SIC first of all has been in some hot"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "water for overcharging uh like the NSA 7"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "like5 to7 billion for the Trailblazer"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "program."}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Mhm. which was supposed to be like a a"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "large-scale spying software uh right"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "after 911 that was complete that"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "completely didn't work. But the NSA kind"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "of was fraud was fraudulently charged by"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "SIC for all of this money. SIC has"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "enormous contracts, many of which don't"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "make any sense. Like a recent $280"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "million contract with Sandia National"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "Labs, which is a Department of Energy"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "FFRDC for IT consolidation work. M"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:50", "text": ">> how does it work? You know, take $280"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "million. Of course, with SIC, we've"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "talked about Kirkpatrick. SIC has insane"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "ties to the Wilson Davis memo. SIC has"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "ties to director of neuro Bobby Ray"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "Enman."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": ">> But in 1992 there there so there's a"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "whistleblower from SIC. Her name is"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "Denise McKenzie and she actually uh"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "disclosed"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "in I think 2000. And so her story goes"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "in 1992 she was working at a fabric"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "store at a mall in La Hoya, San Diego."}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "Uh, a new part-time girl named Sophia"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "starts working with her. Sophia says,"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "\"Hey, come work for this contractor. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "you know, it better work.\" Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": ">> And so, she shows up expecting an"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "interview at a large contractor. She's"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "hired on the spot at a massive campus"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "that is SIC, Science Applications"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "International Corporation, La Hoya."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": ">> She's not even really told what to do"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "besides administrative work on a"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "computer. And that girl who recruited"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "her, Sophia, didn't show up for like"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "another 3 or 4 weeks. So, she's just"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "sitting there having no idea what to do"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "on the job. And eventually a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "letters come in while she's working at"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "SIC that are basically asking for"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "contract updates on DoD and other"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "contractor contracts. These are massive"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "contracts, some in hundreds of million"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "dollars, some millions of dollars, some"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "tens of millions of dollars. And she's"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "working in the building where SIC does"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "all sorts of classified chemical and"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "biological research. Really interesting"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "biochem facility there that probably"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "connects with Patel Memorial Institute"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "in Dougway Proving Ground. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": ">> And so she goes to her superiors cuz she"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "wants to kind of impress them and says,"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "\"What, you know, what do I what do I do"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "with these contracts?\" The superior"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "says, \"I think this superior right here"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "is named Stanley Stewart that I've"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "actually tried to track down.\" Said,"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "\"Oh, just say we're working on it.\" So"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "she being a new employee doesn't really"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "want to just say we're working on it on"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "massive DoD contracts. So she goes in"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "the file room to find these contract"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "numbers, to find the contracts, to find"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "the programs. And in each file for every"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "single program, all that's in there is"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "just a paper that says we're working on"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "it. The same file updates. So the SIC is"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "undergoing enormous contracts for DoD"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "and other contractors with no movement"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "on them. Nothing's being done, no"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "progress reports, no technical reports,"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "nothing like that. So they're just empty"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "contracts. So that money can be funneled"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "like Katherine Austin Fitz says"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "specifically mentioning SIC into the"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "black budget. So, she uh she goes and"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "tells Sophia, the woman that recruited"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "her eventually, and Sophia freaks out."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "She gets reprimanded by her superiors."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "All the files are taken away. Uh she's"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "harassed by one of the the bosses, and"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "she eventually quits when she almost"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "chokes on some food and like nobody"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "helps her. But so later on down the"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "line, she's interested to search for"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "Sophia because she never saw Sophia"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "again. In the early days of the"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "internet, she finds Sophia's picture,"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "same first name, different last name, on"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "a CIA operatives database. But the weird"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "thing is that this Sophia girl that"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "recruited her to work at SIC, remember"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "this took place in 1992, apparently died"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "in 1998."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "All sorts of weird things going on there"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "with SIC. In 1992 is also when SIC took"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "off took over the Stargate program from"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "SRRI in the CIA."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": ">> SIC took over that."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. SIC huge huge into uh"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "like telepathy telekinesis. They have"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "lots of reports on it using human"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "subjects for such things. And I guess"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "their research was carried on and taken"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "seriously because as as recently as"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "2013, the Office of Naval Research"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "published a study like a revolutionary"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "study on human six sense using like"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "precognition in humans almost to to kind"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "of get a jump on things. So really"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "really weird discussion of contracts and"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "and like human remote viewing at SIC."}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Yeah, they're involved in so much weird"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] man. I told you the first time I"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "heard about it when I was reading that"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "article all about the creation of"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "Google, how that basically Google was"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "incubated by like DARPA, NSA and the CIA"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "and all this stuff. Basically going and"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "visiting Sergey Brin at Stanford and you"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "know while doing like uh status updates"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "every month on what they were doing and"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "how they're doing. I think they got the"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "page rank system directly from DARPA."}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": ">> Which is strange. But, you know, you"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "know, if if you just understand that"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "history of of how it was, how Google was"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "created and who they were working with"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "and look at where we're at now with all"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "the stuff that's going on, you know, how"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "they're basically trying to like"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "influence the narrative of the public"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "and censor certain speech and and boost"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "other speech and using, you know, now,"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "you know, Google basically creates"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "everything from phones to security"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "systems to every application and and"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "appliance soon They're going to be"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "making your [\u00a0__\u00a0] washer and dryer,"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "you know, that and it's going to [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "talk to you, have cameras in it. So,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "it's just like,"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": ">> okay, this company that was created by"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "like the deep state essentially is now"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "creating all these appliances and"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "software that are integrated into"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "virtually every aspect of your life."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": ">> And you know, you rely and and most"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "people, a lot of people rely on this"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "company to make a living because they"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "basically own the internet. Yeah. You"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "know, that's just I don't know where"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "that goes, man. But I can't imagine it's"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "anywhere good."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": ">> It's a It's a terrifying reality,"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "especially when companies like Google,"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "when companies like SIC that basically"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "helped create the internet can"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": ">> work hand in hand."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Can influence such extreme thought"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "narratives. I mean, sic themselves, they"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "were"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": ">> they chaired the the panel that"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "testified to the uh Senate Select"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Committee on Intelligence that said"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "destruction and thus the United States"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "needed to invade Iraq. And when no"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "weapons of mass destruction were found,"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "they chaired the same panel that said we"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "investigated ourselves and we did"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "nothing wrong. Absolving the government,"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "the intelligence agencies and sic of any"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "involvement. So they can really"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "influence public perception in a massive"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "way. even like DoD high level perception"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "and and kind of government perception."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": ">> Yeah, man."}]

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Is it classified or is it"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "So, it's not There's no website for the"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "underwater NRO. Because you would think"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "they could make an excuse for it. They"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "could say, \"Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're just"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "trying to monitor nuclear submarines,"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "you know, adversary submarines."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "So, there is a Wikipedia page that's"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "crap that calls it the hidden younger"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "brother of the NRO. So, in US"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "intelligence, you have the big five"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "agencies, the CIA, NSA, DIA, NRO, and"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "NGA."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "And then there's the hidden neuro, the"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "National Underwater Reconnaissance"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Office, whose activities are seemingly"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "more sensitive than even the NRO's."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "There are admirals in the Navy that I"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "have spoken to who did not know that"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "neuro was a thing. really."}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "And so I sent him a little bit of stuff"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "on neuro and they went, \"Oh.\""}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "So there's a couple there's a couple"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "books uh such as the uh the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "community by Jeffrey T. Richardson."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Great book. I really recommend everybody"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "read that and some other sources that"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "can really dive in to learn a bit more"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "about Nuro as well as former admiral,"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "director of naval intelligence, CIA"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "deputy director, NSA director, uh Bobby"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "Rayenman. Bobby Ray Enman in a I think"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "it was 2018 finally admitted in a speech"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "at some university in 2018 that he"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "directed Nuro, but he still couldn't"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "talk about it to this day. Which is"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "interesting. He said I when he became"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "director of naval intelligence, he wore"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "another hat that was neuro, but they"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "still didn't want him to talk about it."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "And in another interview for a"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "university, I think this was some"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "California university, he said that he"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "had got in trouble before for talking"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "about Nuro. So, Nuro was started in 1969"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "and it was started to kind of coordinate"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "the Navy's and the CIA's reconnaissance"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "activities similar to the how the NRO"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "was started to coordinate the air forces"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "and the CIA's activities, right? And so,"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "part of the the founding programs for"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "Nuro were to kind of coordinate"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "operations, keep track of and uh"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "commence missions with some of our"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "sensitive nuclear submarines."}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "uh kind of tap undersea cables."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "I think this was called the IV bells"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "program and as well as just underwater"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "reconnaissance underwater monitoring."}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "The neuro was supposed to exist between"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "the Navy and CIA's director of science"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "and technology. Now that director of"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "science and technology, we can talk a"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "lot more about that because that has"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "some tremendous connections to UFO crash"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "retrievalss, but really early on the CIA"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "just kind of took command of Nuro. And"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "it wasn't until 1972, three years after"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "its creation, that John Warner,"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "Secretary of the Navy, was finally put"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "as uh Nuro's director. But then it"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "changed hands back a little bit because"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "in 74, Bobby Ray Enman became director"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "of Nuro. And of course, he went on to be"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "a a CIA spook. So Nuro's kind of claim"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "to fame is using vessels like the USS"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "Halibet, USS Seawolf, um"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "the USS Jimmy Carter, the NR1, the"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "United States smallest nuclear"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "submarine, and the Glowar Explorer. Have"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "you heard of the Glowar Explorer? Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "So, so K129 Soviet sub crashes near"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "Hawaii, a little bit northwest. The CIA"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "and Nuro create the Glowar Explorer to"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "go retrieve the vessel. And I think it"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "embarks in uh 1972, right? And"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "conventional wisdom, only a third of the"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "K129 is retrieved. Uh maybe more,"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "probably more, and it might be buried up"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "in the Pacific Northwest. But um then"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "the Glowar went on to be used by Loheed"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "Martin and its subsidiaries for 20 years"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "for quote unquote deep sea mining"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "operations and such."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "So the the really really really"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "interesting kind of connections with"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "neuro come with uh chief scientist of"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "special projects for the Navy John P."}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "Craraven. And so in 1964 John P."}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "Craraven was set to start the deep"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "systems or deep submergent systems"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "project. the DSSP, and I'm sorry,"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "there's a ton of acronyms. I'll try to"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "spell them all out. That's something I"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "get flack for a lot. And this was to"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "drastically increase the Navy's u deep"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "ocean engineering capabilities."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "And so the DSSP gave Craraven the task,"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "we need you to be able to commence"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "engineering and Navy operations at way"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "bigger depths."}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "So 1964, Craraven starts the DSSP. In"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "1965, Craraven receives a classified"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "briefing of something called Project"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Sand Dollar. Sand dollar is yeah"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "the earliest probably SAP within SAP"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "within SAP we can kind of make sense of"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "it was a program that was hidden within"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "a program hidden within another program"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "hidden within the Polaris sub Polaris"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "submarine missile program which was"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "oddly enough spearheaded by Admiral"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "Rayborn who went on to go work at SIC"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "but we can talk about that later"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "but this program was highly classified"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "and an itemized inventory of a"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "collection of objects on the seafloor"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "for national security importance"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "uh ranging from the Atlantic just all"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "around the world and it wasn't just"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "aircraft or nuclear stuff."}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "So commencing after that briefing in"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "1965 on sand dollar, Craraven under the"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "DSSP, the deep system submergence"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "projects creates the DSRV, deep"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "submergence rescue vehicle and DSSV,"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "deep submergence search vehicle. And"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "these are supposed to be uh vehicles"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "that"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "kind of can satisfy the DSSP. So, the"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "DSRV, the deep submergence rescue"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "vehicle, is supposed to be basically a"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "submarine rescue vehicle. Uh, this was"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "out of response to the loss of the USS"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "Thresher. And this would be something"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "that a submarine team can get in a small"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "little submarine that can be transported"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "anywhere around the world in 72 hours."}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "It's that rapid reaction. It can be"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "piggybacked on on a vessel."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Specifically, Craraven says in the"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "silent war, his memoirs, the USS Halibet"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "and the USS Seawolf, two neuro vessels"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "that he directly names to rescue any"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "submarine crew anywhere in the world,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "la, and the DSSV, which is used for"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "ocean surveying, uh, ocean engineering,"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "retrieval operations, and so forth."}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "Uh there were supposed to be six DSRV"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "and six DSSV, the two submersible units"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "built, but only two DSRVS were ever"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "built, the Mystic and Avalon out of"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "Loheed Martin. So there were only two of"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "those ever built."}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "However, that brings me to a um a really"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "interesting crash retrieval story. So in"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "you know Art the Art Bell Show, right?"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "Yes. So, in 2002, I think it was about"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "summer of 2002, a a caller came on air"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "and said, \"Hello, my name is Mark. I was"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "a former marine diver that went on to go"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "work on a DSRV crew.\" And so, this guy"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "tells the story of in 1991 or 1992, I'm"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "getting the dates a little bit wrong."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "There was a survey ship in the North"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "Atlantic about 250 mi outside of"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "Aberdeene, Scotland, that picked up"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "radiological signatures on the seafloor."}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "and that the DSRV was dispatched to go"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "check this thing out. And so the the"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "group is steamed out to the North"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "Atlantic. I think this is in the"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Rockwell Rock all trough in the North"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "Atlantic, just northwest of Aberdeen,"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Scotland. Cuz I looked at like depths"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "and this guy said this was about a mile"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "and a half deep. Mark did."}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "And so the team dives."}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "So So where specifically would it be"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "again?"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "The Rockall trough."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "The Rockall trough."}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "Yes. Rockall."}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "Pull up a map of that if you can, Steve."}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "So, the team dives in the DSRV, which"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "could also be a DSSV, a deep system"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "search vehicle, one of the two, because"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Craraven said that John P. Craraven,"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "remember, chief scientist of special"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "projects out of the Navy, that although"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "there were never official missions uh"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "for DSRV or DSSV, because no submarines"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "ever sunk after the Thresher, these were"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "sent on numerous clandestine operations."}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "If it might be a Google Earth search"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "might be a little bit better."}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Well, you had it, but then you lost it."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "There you go. Rock all."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "Hit layers on the bottom left."}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "Zoom in on that. Oh [\u00a0__\u00a0] Look at that."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "Yeah. So, this was about a mile and a"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "half deep. So, we need over 8,000 ft uh"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "sea sea floor."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "And so Mark and his group are steamed"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "out from Virginia. My guess is this is a"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "really clandestine DSSV because the DSSV"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "have operational depth of 20,000 ft but"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "were apparently never built but used"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "according to Craven for clandestine"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "purposes to this region."}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "The team dives by the time they get to"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "the seafloor they see a large triangle"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "wedged in the seafloor."}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "The triangle has no cockpit, no visible"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "means of propulsion. It's wedged in the"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "seafloor and around its circumference"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "has cliffic writing. Same thing as the"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "1965 Kexsburg uh Pennsylvania crash."}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Same thing as the Roswell I-beam. Same"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "thing as what Danny Shehan has said he"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "found in the classified blue book files."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "And so there's a a really anomalous"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "triangle down here that there's no"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "visible means of propulsion. Nothing"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "they can see."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "So the team goes back up, informs the"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "the steam ship what they saw. Uh a"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "marine archaeologist is brought down."}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "They go take photos, videos, and survey"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "the vessel. The marine archaeologist"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "estimates that that triangle had been"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "buried within the the the kind of the"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "seafloor for 30 or 40 years."}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "And so eventually the team is tasked"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "with rigging uh materials to the craft"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "to try to bring it up."}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "And because the size is about 70 ft in"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "height, the team estimates this is about"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "the weight of an F-14, right? And an"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "F-14 is interesting because the NR1 had"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "previously recovered a lost uh F-14 off"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "a US aircraft carrier. So the the object"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "is rigged up uh you know the crew makes"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "estimates based off the the size what"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "metal might be you know involved brushed"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "aluminum and so forth but this object"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "rises about three or four times faster"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "once buoyancy is attached to it and it's"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "kind of brought up to the ocean surface."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "The craft is eventually rigged up. Mark"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "once the DSRV crew is back on board gets"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "to see the craft again. This time in"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "person about 70 ft long. Little bit"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "rounded of a back like a perfect"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "triangle glyphic writing along the side"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "like gunmetal color. No visible means"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "propulsion. no lights. And eventually he"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "and his crew are steamed off ship, never"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "given another word about this. Not sold"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "to sign any NDAs or anything, which is"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "kind of interesting. But apparently the"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "work they did was inherently classified"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "because the DSRV and the DSSV was used"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "for classified operations under Nuro."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "That's [\u00a0__\u00a0] wild, bro. Yeah, it's a"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "really interesting story. And it just"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "went on Art Bell once. And I'm trying to"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "track this down because Mark uh drew"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "sketches of this for Art Bell. And he"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "also provided Art Bell the names of the"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "other Navy guys he was with."}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "So I want to track these guys down and"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "find out more about this story."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "Have you tried reaching out?"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "Yeah, I know a guy who used to work for"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "ArtBell and I'm I'm trying. No luck cuz"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "Artbell has passed."}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "But gosh, would that be would that be"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "something to to get after?"}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "you were mentioning uh earlier when we"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "talked about Corso in the day after"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "Roswell, you said there was some writer"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "that was like a Hollywood writer that"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "like made up a bunch of stuff."}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Oh, yeah. Bill Burns. Because the reason"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "I'm curious about that is is there was"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "um a bunch of stuff in that book about"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "like Velcro and Kevlar and all these"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "like human technologies that were found"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "in that crash. Do you think that was"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "added by this Hollywood guy? You think"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "that was real?"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "Some of them were added and some of them"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "weren't. But the distinguishing"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "difference Corso makes in his work is"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "like um integrated circuitry and"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "transistors and stuff. He makes the"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "claim that a lot of these stuff weren't"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "copied like the technology wasn't"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "basically seated from craft but we as"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "humans had our own evolution of these"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "technologies and an understanding of a"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "different variation of something like"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "the transistor integrated circuit"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "allowed for further advancements of our"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "technology because I know Jesse talked"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "about it with you or I I can't remember"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "where Jesse talked about it but he was"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "skeptical that stuff like transistors"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "were taken from the Roswell craft when"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "transistors and various concepts for"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "transistors had existed existed"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "previously I tend to agree with that. I"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "think if anything that technology was"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "likely used to bolster existing"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "technology and not just copied."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "So you think that that thing was a"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "reproduction vehicle?"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "No, no, no. So like I I think that"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "humans let's say let's take the"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "transistor for example. transistor was"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "pulled from the Roswell craft."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "I think that humans were already working"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "on concepts similar to transistors,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "technology similar to transistors, and"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "pulling like a more advanced transistor"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "type piece of technology off the Roswell"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "craft may have allowed us to make"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "quicker advancements in our current"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "human prosaic technology because we can"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "analyze non-human technology. Not"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "inventing technology out of the ether"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "because we just pull it from a non-human"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "source,"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "right? So more so just like um copying"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "and not copying somebody else's homework"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "but taking influence from other"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "technology on existing technologies"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "right there's still a lot of questions"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "with Corsa right like we can't there's a"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "lot of rebuttals for most of that"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "technology created I I mean even passive"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "night vision systems Colonel John"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Alexander who I have my problems with"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "yeah night vision was another was"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "another technology they found in the"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "crash"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "well Corso Corso said that there was an"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "eyeilm on the beans and that's where"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "passive night vision systems were were"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "pulled from that's a that's a very big"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "big claim what's interesting thing to me"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "about this is in in the in the"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "manuscript, it was just made for his"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "grandchildren, right? It wasn't made for"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "public consumption. It was made for his"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "family. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "it's not like he's trying to sell this"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "story to a huge world cuz there's"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "massive differences in the uh manuscript"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "versus the book. The book talks the"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "first chapter about Corso sitting like"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Isaac Newton under a tree like thinking"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "about the Roswell crash basically"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "placing himself there. No, the"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "manuscript is super dry. It repeats"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "itself dozens if not hundreds of times,"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "but it just is is is basically Corso's"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "words actually from Corso and not with"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "added fluff."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "Like in the book, in the book, there's"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "one like senior intelligence or DoD"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "official that Corso basically convinces"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "to, you know, perform a self-inflicted"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "gunshot wound with like Corso acts so"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "tough to do that. That's not in the"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "manuscript. That's fluff nonsense to"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "make something sell to Hollywood. So"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "there's a lot of added information that"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "I I really understand why people take"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "Corso so skeptically if all they've read"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "is The Day after Roswell."}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "Right. Right. What What is What is your"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "take on John Alexander?"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "Uh"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "I John Alexander I don't know. He what I"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "what I think the most interesting"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "example of where John Alexander was"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "present present was 1985 at the advanced"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "theoretical physics working group that"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "was held at BDM's facility in MClean"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "Virginia. Right. So this was an event"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "that Oki Shannon, if you've heard of Oki"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "Shannon, he was director of like special"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "projects at Los Alamos National Labs and"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "he is mentioned multiple times in the"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "Wilson Davis interview. In 1985, he went"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "to attend this event at BDM McLean. Uh"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "this event was classified using DOE"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "controls, right? Which is really"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "interesting. A lot of it was ran by John"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "Alexander and at that time new BDM board"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "member Albert Stubble who had just left"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "US Army Instcom for BDM in 1984. M"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "at this conference there was so much"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "talk about UFO reverse engineered"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "programs you know conducted through"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "speeches and organization by Alexander"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "including a massive mention of a I think"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "it says like huge engineering project"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "under Bobby Ray Inman and of course"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "that's somebody we talked about right"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "no Bobby Ray Enman is the neuro guy he's"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "the CIA guy he's the NSA guy he's the"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "sic guy he's the wacken hut guy"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "oh wow"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "he's he's one of the main villains of"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "this of this entire story I'd say some I"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "forgot got to tell you about is in 1989"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "he talked to NASA mission specialist Bob"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Echler. Bob Echler called him. Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "somehow they worked they got in a"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "relationship and were talking to each"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "other and Bob Echler basically asked if"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "recovered UFOs would ever become"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "available for technological research."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "And what's interesting is this phone"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "call is recorded. So you can actually"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "listen to it and Bobby Rayman does the"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "whole I know nothing about that, but"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "directs Echler to current CIA DS&T"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "director of science and technology"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "deputy director Everett Heinman"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "says if you want to know about it, go"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "talk to Heman. So Echler talks about"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "Heinman. and Heinman freaks out, says,"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "\"No, don't talk to me. Nothing there.\""}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Heman was also director of the NRO"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "program B and was actually the first one"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "of the first heads of uh Pine Gap when"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "it opened up in the 70s. In 2023, a UFO"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "researcher RGH UFOs met emailed Heinman,"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "and I wish he would get back to me, but"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "he's never responded to me. And Heinman"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "alluded that he did in fact work in UFO"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "programs because he said, \"I'm no longer"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "in that area of research.\" But back to"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "Inman, Inman also appointed Bob Echler,"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "NASA mission specialist to former uh"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "director of naval intelligence Sumar"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Shapiro. Snar Shapiro was also a BDM"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "board member. But Sumar Shapiro met with"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Bob Echler and Sumar Shapiro told Bob"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "Echler that not only had he studied"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "craft up close, but they were shipped"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "between different DOE laboratories and"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "some of them featured interlocking"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "components that had to be assembled and"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "disassembled in certain ways if you're"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "going to gain access to the craft. So"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "Bobby Ray Enman, you know, points Bob"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "Echler to all sorts of these guys. Bobby"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "Rayman is former director of neuro CIA,"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "all this. But then in 2020, and this"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "echoes the present very well, Bobby"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Rayman appeared on Project Unity, Jay"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Anderson's podcast, and said he had"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "found uh con explanations, conventional"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "explanations for every single UFO"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "sighting, which is nonsense to to to"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "take that stance at every single UFO"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "sighting you've ever cracked. Sounds"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "like Sean Kirkpatrick. So this guy in"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "1989 is pointing Bob Echler to firsthand"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "UFO retrieval knowledge people and then"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "he is walking those statements back and"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "Bobby Raymond has a very illustrious"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "history. He was also on the board for"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "Wacken Hut which is a private security"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "agency mentioned by so many"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "whistleblowers and including performing"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "security at Area 51 S4."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "Yeah, I learned all about Wacken Hut"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "when I had the dudes in here that made"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "the Danny Castillo documentary. Really?"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "Have you seen that documentary? Holy"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] bro. You got to watch that. It is."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "They talk all about like it's it's"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "called the octopus murders."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "You know what? I can't believe I haven't"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "watched the octopus murders yet. So many"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "people have told me to watch it."}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "It's amazing."}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "It they talk they it basically explains"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "how like all of these things are"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "connected with Wacken Hut, the CIA, and"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "all of these different scandals that"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "have ever happened from like Watergate"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "to like Iran Contra and all this stuff."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "It's all a part of this big [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "crazy deep state blob octopus. Uh, and"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "all these tentacles are attached to one"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "another. And Danny Castileo got to the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "bottom of this thing"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "and uh he was found"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "uh he was found with his wrists slashed"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "in a bathtub in a hotel room."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "Yeah. And uh it's it's an amazing"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "documentary and they they go deep into"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "the Wacken Hut stuff. What? You know,"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "Wacken Hut, Wacken Hut even has ties in"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "in the subject we're talking about now"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "with the Department of Energy. Uh, I I"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "mentioned the Department of Energy"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "special response teams that are like"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "really highly armed guys at at DOE"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "national labs that, you know, maybe they"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "transport nuclear materials, maybe they"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "transport radiological materials, maybe"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "sometimes they transport UFOs, but these"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "guys were trained by Wacken Hut."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "So, they get Wacken Hut training. uh"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Wacken Hut worked closely alongside"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "INDUSE or industrial security personnel"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "which I think industrial security"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "personnel are the actual armed guards"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "and so forth that will be inside of a"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "UFO facility guarding the USAP program"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "locations and so forth. So I think"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "Wacken Hut is intimately entwined and"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "Bobby Ray Enman"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "he was a board member of Wacken Hut."}]

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This"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "guy, I think he went by the pseudonym"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "RK, related his story to Leonard"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Stringfield. Uh Leonard Stringfield is"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "one of the greatest UFO crash retrieval"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "investigators of all time. wrote um"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "status reports 1 through 7 on UFO crash"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "retrievalss."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "RK claimed that in 72 at the uh Great"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "Lakes Naval Station in Chicago, he was"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "tasked to kind of deliver orders,"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "deliver a message to, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "commanding officer. So, as he goes to"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "deliver to the commanding office"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "officer, he passes into a Quanet style"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "hunt hut on the premises and in there is"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "a large metallic teardropshaped"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "craft. No visible means of propulsion."}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "Looks like a teardrop. looks like a"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "perfect mix between a teardrop and an"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "egg. Very smooth, one color and so"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "forth. But here's what's interesting. He"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "he then meets a guy that was stationed"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "in San Diego in the Navy. And this Navy"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "guy said that he knew about that craft"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "that was brought down and that it was"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "brought down by a naval destroyer and"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "recovered by the Glomar Explorer north"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "of Hawaii in 1972. Wow."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "There's so much ocean, man. It's imp it"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "would be impossible to to"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "explore all that. I think we've explored"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "more of the moon than we have of our own"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "ocean floors. It's crazy. And if you"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "look at we were talking about this with"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "Richard Dolan, too. Like you can"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "literally turn the globe. If you look at"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "the Pacific Ocean, you can see there's"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "there's a"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "no [\u00a0__\u00a0] land. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "Like it covers up more. It's like a"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "massive amount of this earth is ocean."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "So what what's interesting about the the"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "creation of Neuro the deep's emergent"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "systems project and all this in 1964 it"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "seems like sand dollar had existed"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "previously with an itemized inventory of"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "everything that existed on the seafloor"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "of national security interest but until"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "Craraven created the the DSSP following"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "sand dollar and then Nuro was created"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "there was no way the Navy could retrieve"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "these items. So it seems like the US"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "Navy had a large itemized inventory of"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "all of these objects on the seafloor,"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "but until Craraven drastically increased"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "the depths at which the Navy could"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "conduct engineering operations and"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "retrieval operations, those just sat"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "Now, what do you know about the that"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "base in the Bahamas that me that Jesse"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "was talking about?"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Oh, Altech."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "Altech. Yeah. Is that still is that"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "thing still operational? Are they still"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "doing work there?"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "I I'm not sure actually. But that brings"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "up the the point of like underwater"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "bases, right?"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "There's a u there's a great author, his"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "name is Richard Solder. He has a book"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "called Underground Ground and Undersea"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Bases where he talks about possible"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "undersea bases worldwide,"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "which is really interesting. And of"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "course there's it's it's very likely"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "that there are like undersea nurases for"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "submarine refueling and such. But"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "that I mean the concept of undersea"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "bases is interesting because already"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "underground bases is is incredibly"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "interesting. The question about undersea"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "bases is how do you power them?"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "The logistics sound like a nightmare."}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "At least for"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "It seems like optimal though, right?"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "Yeah. For cooling, especially if you"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "have some sort of uh high temperature"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "reactor. I mean, in the 1960s, the US"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "Army Corps of Engineer published a bunch"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "of deep basing studies on where to place"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "deep underground military bases"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "throughout the continental United"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "States, but also published a ton of"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "papers such as like uh self-contained"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "nuclear reactors to power stiffs,"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "subterranean facilities, and so forth."}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "Yeah, that's one of the things that"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "Katherine was saying that a lot of the"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "missing money she thinks has been going"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "to funding these constructions of these"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "underground bases. Yeah, that's I think"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "one of the most interesting topics in"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "this subject because you know I've done"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "a project on directly relating those to"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "UFO programs"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "and craft and materials being stored"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "underground"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "and I have a friend who was former army"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "public affairs this was about 2010 to"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "2013 area"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "and he relayed to me that he traveled"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "between a stiff a subtrading facility as"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "they call them under Fort Bliss Texas"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "and White Sands new missile range"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "and he traveled between these locations"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "via train."}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "And he said that the train went so fast"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "it reminded him of his fear of flying."}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Because a lot of people will look at the"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "kind of underground bases systems and uh"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "connective tunnels and and scoff it a"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "little bit cuz it's a logistic and"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "engineering nightmare, right?"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "But you know I I digress. Back in the"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "1970s, the Rand Corporation, which is"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "known as a fedally funded research and"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "development center, FFRDC, uh, one of"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "the employees, high-up scientists of the"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "Rand Corporation, published something"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "called the VHST, the very high-speed"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "transit system, which was a massive"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "underground train system that would"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "connect New York to Los Angeles and"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "basically be a massive underground"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "tunnel system. And of course, if these"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "tunnel systems exist, I I think it's"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "highly likely we got some of that"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "technology and ideas from the Nazis."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Yeah. Um, you know, before before the"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "end of World War II, there was uh there"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "was a system called the Roarbon by some"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "German scientists, which was a pneumatic"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "train system to exist under Germany and"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "to connect Berlin to France or Paris and"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "a network of underground train systems"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "to go at incredible speeds."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "This was a concept."}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "Yeah. But here's what's not a concept"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "that's really interesting. So Xavier"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "Dorsch was head of the uh Todd"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "organization in Nazi Germany. The Todd"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "organization had created the Autobond."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "You know that famous German highway with"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "endless speeds. And at this time, uh,"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Hans Comler and various, uh, really"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "nasty Nazi scientists were using"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "underground locations for aircraft"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "manufacturing and so forth for"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "contractors, but as well as continuity"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "of government sites such as the Rean"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Worm Logger in Poland and Ordruff, which"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "are these really, really crazy advanced"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "underground locations that I think it"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "was Ordruff even had like its own"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "underground rail system connecting it."}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "It was self-contained."}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "So Xavier Dorsch was one of these whiz"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "kid engineers for the tot organization"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "which is similar to the US Army Corps of"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "Engineers. In 1947 uh with Operation"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Paperclip where the US brought over a"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "bunch of Nazi scientists, there was one"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "report from air material command that"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "requested Xavier door specifically as"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "well as three other German Nazi"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "technicians for underground plant"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "construction. So I think immediately"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "after post World War II is when"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "underground or facilities or stiffs"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "immediately be began construction"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "because we plucked some of the Nazis"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "best and brightest who had created such"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "intricate structures under Germany to to"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "come work for us."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "that's that's [\u00a0__\u00a0] bizarre, man. And"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "if that stuff does exist, if they are"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "spending money on all this crazy stuff"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "and you know they have all these secret"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "programs to recover crafts and to build"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "underground highways and and"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "and bunkers"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "that would explain where a lot of that"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "money is going that Katherine Fitz was"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "talking about those trillions of"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "dollars."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "It's not cheap, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "No, it's definitely not cheap. And you"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "know the other question is who who's in"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "charge of it?"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "Who has control over all of it? you know"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "analyzing the structure of the supposed"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "UFO legacy programs is so difficult to"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "track right you know if there are"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "programs which of course I I believe"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "very strongly there are that there are"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "DoD contractor FFRDC UR university"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "affiliated research center programs that"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "deal with the exploitation recovery and"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "reverse engineering of non-human"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "technologies how are these programs"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "structured"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "uh what sort of communication is done"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "across the programs how are the"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "intelligence communities involved and at"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "the top of this who is who is pulling"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "the strings because it's not like this"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "is"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "A above board air force project, above"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "board navy project, not like a CIA"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "project. All of this is inherently born"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "within SAPS and USAPS unacknowledged"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "special oper special access program."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "Sorry. Which Congress and even the"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "executive branch to a certain degree"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "doesn't need to be read in. You have to"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "have a need to know to access these"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "things,"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "right? Yeah. That's what Steven Greer"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "was explaining to me. He was like he was"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "explaining to me how like these tops top"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "joint chiefs of staff people can't even"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "get access to some of this stuff. And"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "that's and the way he was describing it"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "to me is like imagine if Lockheed or one"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "of these companies like this got so much"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "technology that advanced so much after"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "getting all this black budget that"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "they've basically"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "gone off the rails so far to where they"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "have more power than like every foreign"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "and domestic military combined to where"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "they're kind of like a"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "like a a breakaway military superpower"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "that like doesn't have to answer to"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "anybody. If like Katherine Austin Fitz"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "says, if there is a some sort of segment"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "existing within US military intelligence"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "that has a secret space program, they"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "are have the asymmetric advantage in"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "every single war fighter capability. If"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "somebody has ARV, alien reproduction"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "vehicles, which I believe they do, of"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "course, they have an tremendous amount"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "of advantages over any traditional human"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "military."}]

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Because around the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "same time, 2023, there are multiple"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "Greer whit uh whistleblowers who I have"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "found in Greer's DPI archive, his"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "disclosure project initiative archive,"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "and I formed friendship and"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "relationships with that contacted Greer"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "and always in 2023. They started facing"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "reprisals."}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "They started getting threats to their"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "pension. There's one guy in Greer's"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "archive under the number uh 10892. This"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "guy talks about being on an alien"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "reproduction vehicle retrieval team at"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "Nellis Air Force Base and uh kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "witnessing a touchdown of a sunflower"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "extraterrestrial craft that he caught"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "off contact with Greer cuz he was"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "threatened with uh inappropriate you"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "know explicit underage content."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "Yeah. And so this stuff all happened"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "around started really ramping up around"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "2023. And so did you know is is there a"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "connection there? One must ask. It's"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "it's it's quite perplexing."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "It really is, man."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "But also, who knows? Greer's operational"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "security is absolutely abhorrent. So, I"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "there there's no excuse that I should be"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "able to go into his archives and f and"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "be able to track down some of the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "whistleblowers. No excuse,"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "I the operational security is so bad. I"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "I should not be able to do that. M"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "but I I'm just glad that it was me who"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "was able to do that with some people and"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "not"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "you know somebody else unless agency"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "folks have done that and kind of tracked"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "down whistleblowers and threatened them"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "with their pension cuz some some of"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "these highle whistleblowers have uh"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "spoken to career in the past cuz he's"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "really was the only guy to turn to for a"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "long time right"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "he ran the disclosure project about him"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "I mean a lot of pe everybody [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "hates Greer for the most part I've never"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "heard anyone say anything nice about him"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "except for Jesse Michaels Jesse Michaels"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "is the one person who's like bro you got"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "to give him credit. He's been doing this"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "forever. He's he's brought forward the"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "most amount of whistleblowers that have"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "divulged the most amount of information."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "So, like, you know, take it for what"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "it's worth. He's he's done more harm"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "than good or I'm sorry, more good than"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "harm."}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "I I don't have a I've never spoken to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "Greer. I don't plan to. He and I don't"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "have a good relationship. He called me"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "an intelligence asset. So, I'm not I'm"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "not I'm not too And he's also hurt many"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "of my friends. So, I'm not too high up"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "on Greer. Okay. I think that he kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "has his own vested interest in a lot of"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "uh the testimonies he receives. I think"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "he treats whistleblowers that come to"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "him like his whistleblowers instead of"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "their own autonomous people that should"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "be directed to, you know, people like"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "David Grush to disclose to or Senate"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "Select Committee on Intelligence. So, I"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "think it's very complicated, but I"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "personally I I'm not a a huge fan. I"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "don't really like being called an"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "intelligence asset or him or my friends."}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. No, there's definitely um"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "some some personality quirks there."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "But what I would like to see is you know"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "how he always calls out Lou Alzando."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "Yes, he's got this crazy there's this"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "crazy dynamic between him him and Lou"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "Alzando. And I'd love I'd love to hear"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "what you think about that."}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "Uh I don't I I don't I would rather heir"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "on the side of like pushing for"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "disclosure instead of like trying to get"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "into like interpersonal problems and so"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "forth, especially a character like Lou"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "who is surrounded by a lot of"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "controversy. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "I I I do think and all I'll say is I I"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "think more questions need to be asked in"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "documents foyed about his time at SIFA"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "in the early 2000s, the counter"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "intelligence field activity."}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "Oh, yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "Uh I on a on a pedestal of of like"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "highle whistleblowers, I put uh David"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "Grush and then um and then you know"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "others, but I don't like to engage in"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "the drama, but I would like to see a"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "debate between those two uh Greer and"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "Alzando. That would be really fantastic"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "and interesting to see because Greer"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "always calls um Alzando a a asset"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "basically a disinformation asset."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "Well, don't they have the same lawyer?"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "Isn't Danny Sheihan represent both of"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "them?"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "Yeah, Shihan used to work for the"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "Disclosure Project. I don't know if he"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "still does. A lot of people used to work"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "for the Disclosure Project. Leslie"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "Kaine,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "u you know the article of the 2017 New"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "York Times article, she used to work for"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "Steven Greer back in the early 2000s."}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "And I talked to her at the I snuck my"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "way in back in November by the UFO"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "hearings and to the um disclosure fund"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "event and I talked to her a long time."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "She's she's brilliant. She Yeah, she"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "knows quite a bit. But you know, she"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "even used to work with Greer and I I"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "think back in the day Greer had a little"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "bit of a different mindset. Uh I I think"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "maybe some of the problems with him"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "arose more in the future. But that that"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "that drama between the two is is pretty"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Yeah, man. the when you start to paying"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "too much attention to like the the"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "personalities and like the the UFO"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "celebrities and the drama, you start to"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "get like lost in this whole thing. And I"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "think it's probably intentional. The"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "combination the combination of like"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "Twitter people on Twitter,"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "you know, arguing about who's right and"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "who's wrong, and then you mix in the"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "fact that everyone's trying to sell a"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "book or a documentary or a movie and"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "they're building their careers on this"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "stuff. Um, you know, I'm not innocent of"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "it. I do podcasts. I make money on"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "podcasts about UFOs. So, I I try not to"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "make it my whole personality and my"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "whole identity as much as I possibly"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "can. But, um, you know, there's just so"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "much [\u00a0__\u00a0] [\u00a0__\u00a0] to come, bro."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "I know. And especially, uh, official"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "nonsense like Dr. Sean Kirkpatre, the"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "head of Arrow, who is fraught with a lot"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "of uh, really weird past. So, you're"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "familiar with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick of"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Arrow, right? Well, Sean Kirkpatrick has"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "a very checkered past before Arrow and"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "pretty interesting future after Arrow."}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "So Sean Kirkpatre gets a hold of Arrow"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "in like 2022. Arrow reports to the under"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "secretary for defense for intelligence"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "and security. This at the time is Ronald"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "Moltry who was both on the board for"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "Battel Memorial Institute."}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "Oh yeah, I want to talk about them."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "Oh, absolutely. The MITER Corporation"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and like a group called the Better"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "Angels, which is funded by the Carile"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "Group, which is a huge big money group."}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Kirk Patrick and uh"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Moltry famously in in 2022 kind of"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "debunk the subject of UFOs and so forth."}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "Kirkpatrick used to be a senior research"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "scientist for SIC, Science Applications"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "International Corporation, even"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "published with them quite a few times."}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "In 2022, Arrow engaged in contracts"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "under the DoD for Aerero Support"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "Services with a company called Sanorp."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "Sanorp one directive is to stop"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "whistleblower leaks."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "Oh wow. And I I recently tweeted about"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "this. I have the exact contract number,"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "but Arrow is tweet is getting in getting"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "in contracts with companies that"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "specialize in whistleblower leaks, but I"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "I I want to focus on what Sean"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "Kirkpatrick did after Arrow. You know,"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "he leaves Arrow in a tirade. Oh, nobody"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "likes me all that. Uh really whiny. And"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "then he goes on to work at Oakidge,"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "which is a Department of Energy uh"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "FFRDC, fedally funded research and"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "development center."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "That's where he works now."}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "No, not now. But we can talk more about"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "FFRDC's because when people talk about"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "UFO legacy programs like joint United"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "States government contractor like Air"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "Force and Northrup Grumman UFO programs,"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "the missing link there is the FFRDC's."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "This is stuff like the MITER"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "Corporation, the Aerospace Corporation,"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Triad National Security run by Battel,"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Oak Oakidge, Sandia National Labs,"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "Lawrence Liverour. But"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "yeah, so Kirk Patrick goes to work at"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Oakidge. He also uh joins Georgia Tech's"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "uh let me see what it's called because I"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "I wrote this down. Mhm. I can't remember"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "but he went on as a join as Georgia Tech"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "uh research institute UARC a university"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "affiliated research center as basically"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "a senior consultant a senior research"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "consultant a UARC a university"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "affiliated research center is the it is"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "the university counterpart to the"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "FFRDC's the fedally funded research and"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "development centers what these two"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "institutions are are corporate and"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "university systems that are semi-private"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "but mostly kind DoD and government"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "owned. That's why you one of my big"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "theories is that a lot of these programs"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "operate with these subject matter"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "experts and R&D wizards being these"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "FFRDC's because they're not fully it's"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "not like a contractor fully removed from"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "United States government or United"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "States DoD. The FFRDC is a corporation"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "still attached inherently to US"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "government."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "Wow. Interesting."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "We can talk a little bit more about that"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "because there's a lot of interesting"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "ties such as like this gets can hearken"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "all the way back to Kexsburg and Dr. or"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "Eric A. Walker and a lot of that good"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "stuff. But uh additionally since 2025,"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "Sean Kirkpatrick, he had formed his own"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "LLC called Nonlinear Solutions. And as"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "of 2025, Nonlinear Solutions is"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "contracting for the MITER Corporation"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "for US Spacecom,"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "US Space Command. And what's interesting"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "there is in some foye documents by a"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "Twitter user named Teo M in 2023,"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "Kirkpatrick met with senior officials at"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "US Spacecom to brief them on UFO"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "response and recovery and material"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "transfer. So you know what what are the"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "very strange connections there? Arrow"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "stinks to high heaven. Uh they also are"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "Arrow is also a lion organization. You"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "know they published the Arrow historical"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "report volume one. Nonsensical report. I"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "hope somebody who's read the cleared"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "report, the classified report, can tell"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "us why there's no better explanations"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "than that than the public report because"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "the cleared report I've heard is just as"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "nonsensical. But there's testimonies"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "that are lied about in there. A very"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "specific example is Michael Herrera. We"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "got Michael Herrera's memorandum for"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "record with Arrow because in the Arrow"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "historical report volume 1, it talks"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "about Michael's testimony. It says like"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "a US Marine encountered an"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "extraterrestrial vehicle in US special"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "forces. First of all, Michael never said"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "extraterrestrial vehicle. He always"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "thought this was a man-made vehicle and"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "never said US special forces. He just"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "said unidentified special forces. And in"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "the memorandum for record that proves"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "that he never said extraterrestrial or"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "US special forces. So if Arrow's lying"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "about details that small to make a"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "whistleblower seem a little bit less"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "credible, what else are they lying about"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "in that? And why are they working with"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "whistleblower protection? And why is"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "Sean Kurpatre going on to work at under"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "MITER and so forth? It's these are all"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "questions that must be asked. Is Arrow"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "honey? Why is Tim Phillips the deputy"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "director of Arrow badmouthing David"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "Grush on LinkedIn? These are all"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "strange. I talk about the FFRDC's and"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "Uarks. Remember when we had the November"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "House hearings? The Senate also had a"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "some UFO hearings with um with Arrow at"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "the end of 2024. Dr. John Kosowski, now"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "Arrow director, said Arrow is now"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "working with FFRDC's and Uarks. What are"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "they doing with them? It's these are all"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "interesting questions. Yeah, it's"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "interesting to see who doesn't like who"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "and who's saying what about, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "these other whistleblowers, you I mean,"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "it it definitely looks good for David"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "Grush that this guy's, you know, saying"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "bad things about him."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "You know, he's not involved with any"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "like obviously that guy is not, you"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "know, if he's making up and and they're"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "manipulating Michael Herrera's"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "testimonies to make him seem more"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "discreditable, there's definitely"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "something there."}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "You know, the more the more of this"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "stuff I hear, it's just like it seems"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "it seems like all of this stuff just is"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "all the stuff from from sci-fi movies"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "are becoming reality."}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "Yeah. You know, like the like the Jake"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "Barber stuff sounds exactly like"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "Stranger Things."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "that that documentary on Jonathan Wagan"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "I like I had heard of him but I had"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "never heard any of the backstory that"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "you described what was going on in what"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "was it Peru that happened"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "yeah 1997 operation laser strike"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "operation laser strike never heard of it"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "so this was a classified US southcom US"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "southern command operation to track"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "narco traffic drug traffic in Peru"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "Bolivia all sorts of uh South American"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "countries and The MAC G, the Marine Air"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Control Group, uh, 28 was sent down, uh,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "alongside some elements of the Air Force"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "and a pretty large joint program,"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "including the CIA to set up TPS 43 and"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "other radar systems to track some of"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "these narco planes. And so Jonathan"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "Wayant, there's still debate on whether"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "his station was in Pukulpa, Peru, which"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "is kind of central Peru, uh, Aikitos,"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "Peru, which is northern Peru, because he"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "wasn't privy to where he was taken for"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "for this radar detachment to track the"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "narco traffic. I personally think this"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "is northern Peru because he just gave a"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "lot of details about the flight time"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "down to Peru, details about time spent"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "on planes. So one morning late March,"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "early April, he is doing nighttime guard"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "duty and a sergeant comes up to him. I"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "think this is Sergeant Montil and says,"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "\"Hey, there's been a crashed craft. We"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "need to go out and see if it's"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "friendly.\" Nothing about UFOs, just a"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "craft crash. This could be a plane."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "So Wayant, Sergeant Allen, Sergeant"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "Atkins, and about seven other Marines"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "all drive in a direction to go find this"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "downed aircraft. By the time they reach"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "the LZ, after a combination of of"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "driving and trekking, the Marines come"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "across a ravine where a about a 20 meter"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "in length egg-shaped craft is just stuck"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "in a granite cliff face, probably"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "granite. Wayant doesn't fully know for"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "sure what the material is, but wedged in"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "there. There's fluid leaking out of the"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "craft. There's what looks to be three"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "hatches, one of them open with possibly"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "a nonhuman arm hanging out of the craft."}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "And this liquid is like clear, but it's"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "viscous like syrup. And the craft itself"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "looks somewhat metallic, but it's"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "changing colors like purple and green."}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "The best I can describe that is the"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "mother of pearl effect, similar to oil"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "on water."}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "So Wayant gets pretty close to the"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "craft. It's It's way above him, but he"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "gets pretty close under it. He gets the"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "fluid all over himself. And it's to this"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "day like removed hair from his legs. It"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "discolored his camies or his battle"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "dress uniform. And so after about 10 to"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "15 minutes at the site and some"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "interesting details about the craft is"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "there was a a light going around its"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "circumference that seemed to power down."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "Almost seemed like the craft shut off"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "including a a sound like a guitar amp"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "that eventually died down."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "Uh way eventually kind of came too"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "hearing Monte or sorry hearing Sergeants"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "Allen and Atkins yelling at him to hey"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "step away from the craft."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "And during this time he felt like I know"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "you and Jesse talked about Jake Barber"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "and some of the psionics and stuff. He"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "felt like there was something in the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "craft reaching out to him, trying to"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "communicate with him, trying to tell him"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "that it was okay. Don't worry, help us,"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "but it's all going to be okay. Which is"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "really bizarre, really strange. And to"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "this day, he has seen like these"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "creatures, what he calls them, in his"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "dreams that were in the craft. He he"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "doesn't know how to explain how he felt"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "like these things were contacting him."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "But it's really strange. But here's"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "where"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "when did he say this for the first time"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "publicly? 20 thou the year 2000 on"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "Steven Greer's uh disclosure project"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "archive."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "So he was part of the 2000 disclosure"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "briefing project where Greer was doing"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "some really good work getting"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "whistleblowers together and we gant's"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "testimony was in there and has really"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "stood out forever. He reached out to"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "Greer because he was facing a lot of"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "reprisals and he thought he was going to"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "die."}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "Wow. So, there's some stuff he doesn't"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "like talking about um and he didn't"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "really talk about live with me, but"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "stuff like being surveiled, having his"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "money messed with, having, you know, his"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "cars tampered with, and he was just"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "really afraid for his life, so he"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "decided to speak out."}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "But so,"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "how long ago did you talk to him?"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "Uh, I talked to him almost daily, but I"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "You talk to him daily?"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "Yeah. He's one of my good friends. I"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "love Jonathan."}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "He's a standup guy. He's hilarious. He's"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "great."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "Uh, so I I talk to him all the time. But"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "getting back to his story, so Sergeant"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "Allen and Sergeant Atkins holler at him"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "to move away from the craft. As soon as"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "these Marines start heading up the"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "ravine, and this is the most interesting"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "part to me because, you know, my"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "channel's pretty focused around crash"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "retrieval and reverse engineering."}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "A couple of US Army CH47 helicopters fly"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "over them. As these helicopters are"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "getting to land in a nearby clearing,"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "the Marines,"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "including Wagant, including Allen,"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "including Atkins, are intercepted by a"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "team of men in black camouflage."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "And stop me if this sounds familiar."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "When you hear cases like Michael"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "Herrera, a team of men in black"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "camouflage that apprehend the Marines,"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "strip them of their gear. Wayant being"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "feisty, being like 23 years old, tries"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "to swing at one of them, clocks him in"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "the head, and these guys at that point"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "make an example out of Wayant, push his"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "face in the ground to get more of the"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "liquid on him, beat the crap out of him,"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "and then out of the helicopters come a"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "team of people ranging from rain jackets"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "to large hazmat gear, mop gear,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "missionoriented protection posture,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "marked and stamped with DOE, Department"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "of Energy."}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "No And so a couple of these DOE"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "guys in protective gear seeant. They"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "strip him of his clothes. Weant is"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "handcuffed to a stretcher. His feet are"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "gagged and he is put on a CH47 out of"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "there. Doesn't know what happened to"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "Atkin or Allen's. But here's what's"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "what's really interesting about the DOE."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "The Department of Energy has its own"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "team. It's called the nuclear emergency"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "support team. And this is basically a"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "rapid reaction team that can be sent"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "anywhere in the continental United"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "States or around the world to react to"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "nuclear or radiological signatures."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "And one of the governing bodies of NEST,"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "the DOE NES, nuclear emergency support"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "team, is the 1954 atomic energy"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "agreement. 1954, if this sounds familiar"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "to you, are you familiar with the 2023"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "and 2024 National Defense Authorization"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "Act uh UAP disclosure disclosure"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "amendment? I know I'm familiar with it,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "but I don't I don't know a lot of the"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "details."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Okay. So, like a a quick side note to"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "that, the UAPDA, which is probably going"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "to be pushed again in in the upcoming"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "Senate conference. I hope that gets"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "pushed through. But the whole point of"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "this amendment was to bring forth"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "disclosure of UFO legacy programs,"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "programs hidden within the US Department"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "of Defense and intelligence communities"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "that are housing, exploiting or reverse"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "engineering technologies of unknown"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "origin, TUOs. M"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "and one of the governing bodies listed"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "in this legislation that hides some of"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "these materials is the 1954 atomic"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "energy act that considers UFO materials"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "as transclassified foreign nuclear"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "materials."}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "So inherently that that means like"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "anything that could be considered"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "nuclear radiological is pretty much born"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "restricted born classified and can be"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "pigeonholed to avoid standard"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "declassification processes. What's"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "interesting about the DOE nest is their"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "founding authority was also the 1954"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "atomic energy agreement. So you have"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "legislation like the UAPDA talking about"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "54 being how the classification system"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "for UFO materials is born and then you"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "have stories like Jonathan Wagan"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "encountering DOE teams whose given"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "authority is that same 54 agreement. So"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "it's very interesting. Also there's"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "provable instances that DOE NEST was"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "actually looking to operate in South"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "America, Colombia, Bolivia, Peru at that"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "time in 1997."}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "There was a Russian probe that went"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "errant. Um it was going to crash. US"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "Southcom thought this Russian probe was"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "going to crash uh"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "either in the Pacific or somewhere near"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "Peru and Bolivia."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "So DOE was actively using Defense"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Support Program satellites to monitor"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "the region later that year. So DOE Nest"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "was already interested in in South"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "America."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Wow. And there was a lot of spooky"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "going on in South America in the '90s."}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "Like there's a lot of there was a lot of"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "uh UFO crash incidents. Yeah. And there"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "was uh a lot of I think that Jacqu"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Filelet book was earlier than the '90s"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "though. Jacle wrote a book about like"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "some crazy massacre that happened in"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "South America. Um where like basically"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "all these people were slaughtered. Have"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "you heard of this?"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "It sounds somewhat familiar, but I'm not"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "fully. I think Jesse was the one who"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "told me about it. But um but yeah, no,"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "South America and Mexico that that"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "period of time was like very active with"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "this this kind of stuff."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "Well, cuz same year we have uh Varia"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "Brazil, James Fox's big case, right?"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "Y"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "and I guess he's doing a lot more work"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "on that. He just talked to I think it"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "was Chris Ramsay or somebody that he's"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "got more information coming out about"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "that. So that'll be pretty darn"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "interesting. In 1978 in Bolivia, there"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "was a case of a u almost like a tic tac,"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "like a cylindrical shaped object"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "crashing into the mountains of Bolivia."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "A US Air Force team called Moondust,"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "Project Moondust, was dispatched to kind"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "of investigate that region. And I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "trying to think what else in Mexico kind"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "of like what you're talking about. In"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "1974 in Mexico, there's a pretty famous"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "kind of underrepresented crash retrieval"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "case called Coyame Mexico, northern"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "Mexico, of a grass saucer that a Mexican"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "retrieval team went to go get, but there"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "was some sort of toxic or or biological"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "hazard in the craft that killed the"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "entire Mexican recovery team. And then,"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "of course, the Americans and their CH53"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "Chinuk swooped in and took the craft."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "However, there's of course an argument"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "you can make that probably maybe our"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "guys,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "the Americans took him out. But there's"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "a South America and Central America ton"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "of crash retrieval stories,"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "And a lot of marine crash retrieval"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "stories. You have Jonathan Wagant, you"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "have like the testimony of Michael"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "Herrera, and there are some other"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "whistleblowers who aren't public who"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "have talked about seeing such"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "teams in the continental United States,"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "these black teams"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "uh with craft. So, it's it's really"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "interesting. And then uh kind of"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "rounding out the WGant story, he was"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "then on the on the 47 taken to an"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "unknown base into an underground section"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "of a base where he was held for 2 days."}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "And why was he the only one that was"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "taken out of there?"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "That's a great question. My guess is"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "because he was contaminated with the"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "liquid."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "Atkins and Allen did not get covered in"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "the liquid. But the weird thing is"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Wayant didn't have any like medical"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "tests, right? because I've hypothesized"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "he was taken to the NAMU Navy Medical"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "Research Unit 6 in Iikitos, Peru, but"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "it's not like he was subjected to blood"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "drawn all that stuff. The one weird"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "thing is he was forced to give in like"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "an forced to take an anthrax booster"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "right after that"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "which Michael Herrera also had to take"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "an anthrax booster after that"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "an anthrax and another marine also had"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "to take an anthrax booster in 97 which"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "is weird that there's a lot of anthrax"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "boosters right after crash retrieval"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "encounters"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "but I I think that's why he's separated"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "so he doesn't know what happened to"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "Atkins or Allen at this point"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "but in in"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "he still isn't talking to them since"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "no he doesn't like him they don't like"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "him"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "oh wow"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "part What's a little weird about this"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "case is one of those two, Atkins or"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "Allen. I reached out to both. One of"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "them got back to me and I emailed them"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "uh just cordially saying like, \"Hey, I'd"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "like to talk to you about your time in"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "laser strike, specifically 1997 and"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "possibly anomalous crashed aircraft.\""}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "And I send emails out from my UAP Gerb"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "email. It doesn't have my information,"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "none of that."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "So I email one of them and they respond,"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "\"Hello, my full name.\""}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "which is of course like a bully"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "intimidation tactic. And the guy just"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "tried to call Jonathan crazy, tried to"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "downplay him, but you know, he he did"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "say my full name when I had never given"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "out my information before to him, nor"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "since nor on my channel. That's so"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "strange, bro. Yeah. I I don't know what"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "to make of that."}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Matt Gallich, welcome to the show, man."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:08", "text": ">> Thanks for having me on, man. This is"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "awesome."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Mining asteroids."}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "Well, dude, that is so far out there. I"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "can't I can't wait to have this"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "conversation. But I'm I am curious like"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "why why mining asteroids? What are you"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "getting off of them?"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:25", "text": ">> Yeah. So, we're going after what are"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "called the platinum group metals, right?"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "very very critical resource we all use"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "here on Earth, but they're also worth a"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "lot of money. And why asteroids? Well,"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "some of the best ore sources we've ever"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "discovered of the platinum group metals"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "are orbiting us in space. It's a very"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "specific type of asteroid called a metal"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "asteroid that we're going to go after,"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "mine, and bring it back to Earth."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Wow. Well, we're going to dive into that"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "deep, so I can't wait. But everybody"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "starts off with an introduction. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "here we go. Matt Galich,"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "co-founder and CEO of Astroforge, a"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "pioneering deep space mining company"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "focused on extracting platinum metal"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "groups from asteroids. Engineering"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "leader with over a decade of experience"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "leading teams in high stakes technical"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "environments. Turned down an opportunity"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "start Astroforge in 2022."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "Driven by a vision to act faster and"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "more economically than traditional"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "aerospace giants. A risk taker who"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "embraces fear is a requirement for"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "innovation. Telling your team that if"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "they're not scared, they're not pushing"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "hard enough. I love that. I think I know"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "what it means, but I'm curious what what"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "is uh what is what what do you mean by"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "that?"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "Look, when you're going to go do"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "something like attempt to mine asteroids"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "or go travel to the cosmos, right, you"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "have an option to go do that in a very"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "safe way at a at a big company you"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "probably heard of called NASA. Probably"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "shouldn't call them a company, right? A"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "big government agency called NASA. It"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "takes a lot of guts to take highly"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "technical people and have them kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "throw that away and say, I'm going to go"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "join a small startup and go try to"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "explore the universe for a fraction of"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "the cost. We're going to take a lot more"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "risk to make that happen. We're probably"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "going to fail multiple times, but if we"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "can pull it off, we'd change the world."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "Those are those are special people and"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "people that you rarely find. And those"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "are the people that we hire at"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "Astroforge, right? We hire the explorers"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "of the future. And you kind of got to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "have that gen work."}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how do you find"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "them?"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": ">> There isn't one simple answer to how do"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "you find talent? I wish there was"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "because then I would just use it on"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "repeat to find the best talent. people"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "have come to us from people that have"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "emailed us to people that have said uh"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "investors that have then came over the"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "fence and worked for us uh people we go"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "out and recruit people I've spent you"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "know our current CO I spent over 3 years"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "just talking to"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:45", "text": ">> Oh really"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": ">> saying like hey this is what I'm doing"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "when are you interested and you know"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": ">> he was early at a little company you've"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "probably heard of called SpaceX and uh"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "to get some of those"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": ">> to get some of those people that are"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "just really ingrained also are have a"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "lot of capital like it's not like SpaceX"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "has done bad for these people that were"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "pretty early at the company, right?"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": ">> But to to be able to convince them and"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "get them kind of excited about a new"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "push into the cosmos is really what"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "pushes people over the edge. I would say"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "most of the team at Ashfor isn't working"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "for the money. They're working for the"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "journey and the adventure. Like we're"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "all on an adventure."}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Let's go see where it takes us."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": ">> So, what I'm curious"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "cuz I'm I have so many questions. I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "I'm not organized right now cuz there's"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "just so many random questions. But I"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "mean, what what what was the I mean,"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "what was the motivator to start I mean,"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "what even got you interested in mining"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "asteroids? Why not just mine here on"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "Earth?"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": ">> So, it's Yeah, I mean, look, those are"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "two different questions, right? It's not"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "that I actually got interested in mining"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "asteroids. Uh in in early 2021, um I"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "went to JPL and looked at a mission"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "called Europa Clipper. It's a mission"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "that's going out to a moon. It's about"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "$5.5 billion planetary mission. Amazing"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "mission. But what I realized is, and I"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "think we can all admit this, is"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "shouldn't cost $5.5 billion. Like"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "there's just not that much material"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "being used to justify that cost. And"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "NASA has this process that you've used,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "and it's almost at this point a jobs"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "program, right? You got to like test"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "your spacecraft in this state, and you"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "got to go to this state to do this, and"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "these people in this state have to work"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "on, and that's how you get Congress to"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "approve these budgets. And we're kind of"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "seeing that today all over the place,"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "right? With NASA's budget, like every"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "week you hear something different and"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "it's become some some senator like"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "argued for his state to get it. And"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "that's not a good way to build lowcost"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "spacecraft. And in fact, we've just seen"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "these spacecraft balloon in price. And"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "5.5 billion is just a massive massive"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "amount of capital to go do something"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "that that I don't think should cost"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "anywhere near that amount. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "you're going to hear these famous"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "stories about Elon and I think a lot of"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "founders will repeat this that they go"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "and they look at like the raw material"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "cost of what it takes and and then say"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "like, well, this is, you know, x amount"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "more. This is a good price to go and"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "collect. And we've been using that for a"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "long time in business, by the way. It's"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "just called margin. And something that"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "we looked at as well of like, hold on,"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "why does this cost $5 half billion? What"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "if I could build it cheaper? Mhm."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": ">> And what I realized is I think I could"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "build a satellite a lot cheaper than"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "what NASA does, but is it worth it"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "building it cheaper? And what I mean by"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "that is you still got to launch the"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "thing. It's not like I can throw a"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "satellite into space. I still got to be"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "able to launch a satellite. And so one"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "of the biggest reasons Astroforge is"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "allowed to exist is actually because of"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "that same organization, NASA. NASA does"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "this thing called the eclipse missions."}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "These are the lunar landers you've"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "probably seen. So, I don't know if you"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "watched the Intuitive Machine landers or"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "the Firefly landers go land on the moon"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "and uh we hitch rides on those rockets"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "for a fraction of the cost, right? We no"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "longer have to buy an entire dedicated"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "launch to go out to the cosmos. And so,"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "for the first time, you can build a"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "lowcost spacecraft, but also have"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "lowcost launch. Those two things have"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "never aligned before to go do it. And"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "so, now I can go access the universe at"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "orders of magnitude cheaper than"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "anybody's been able to in history. And"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "then the question became,"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "what do you do? Like I can't go raise"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "money from a venture capital like hey"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "I'm going to go yolo something to the"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "universe and like explore it. They're"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "like cool cool. There's no what is that"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "supposed to mean? And so"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "you know what I first did was I sat down"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "and I wrote this whole list of like if I"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "can now see this inflection point where"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "I could access deep space for for much"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "cheaper right under $10 million"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "including the launch. What could I do?"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "And I had all these stupid ass ideas."}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "You know, one of my ideas, Sean, was"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "actually too, I say this one all the"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "time cuz it was so dumb, but I followed"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "it up for about a week was like, could I"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "sell ads? Like, we all see these famous"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "pictures of Jupiter and Saturn, and"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "you've probably seen the Voyager mission"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "or Cassini, and you don't know what"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "mission they're from, but you see these"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "gorgeous images. What if it was like"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "stamped with Coca-Cola at the bottom,"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "right? Like, could we sell it?"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": ">> And I called a couple places. I called"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "Red Bull, and Red Bull was like, \"No,"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "we're not interested.\" I'm like, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "this is dumb.\" Um, but there was two"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "companies before that I had really"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "respected and read a lot about and they"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "were called Planetary Resources Deep"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "Space Industries that attempted to go"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "mine asteroids before. Now, they had two"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "different cases at the time. They wanted"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "to mine them originally for water to"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "refuel rockets. Um, and then later on"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "they started to look at the platinum"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "group metals because of the high"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "concentrations on these asteroids. So, I"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "said, \"Hold on, maybe I should be"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "looking at these old business models and"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "seeing if I have a lower entry point,"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "maybe they make a lot of sense again.\""}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "And that's what we did. That's how we"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "landed on the idea of mining asteroids."}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:24", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": ">> And you did ask a question though like"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "why not just do it on Earth,"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": ">> right? Like cool why why go to space and"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "do it? And you'll also hear this"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "argument that we'll say something like"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "well we have enough material on Earth to"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "to mine kind of forever. Why even"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "bother?"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "There's this thing called cost and it's"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "really important and what we call the"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "all-in sustaining cost of mining"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "especially on the platinum group metals"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "is extremely high. And the reason is is"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "the good orgrades of platinum group"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "metals are really deep in the ground."}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "You know when you go to South Africa"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "where some of the best mines are about"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "80% of our PGMs come from South Africa."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "Those mines are 1500 to 2,000 m deep."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Like these are not easy, right? They are"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "extremely deep in the ground which means"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "they're super hot. They're really"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "dangerous and we're kind of at the"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "threshold of where we can mine. The"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "mining industry as a whole has been"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "making a big push to say, can we mine"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "below 2500 m? And the question isn't"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "actually can we mine below 2500 meters"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "like the answer to that is yes. Can we"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "economically mine below 2500 meters? The"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "answer to that right now is a hard no."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "And so that's the problem that actually"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "exists with us as humans is we we're not"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "able to access a lot of the resources we"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "have here on the planet because of"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "because of this thing called physics. We"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "are now able to go hopefully mine"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "asteroids for a fraction of the cost it"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "takes on Earth. And we think of today,"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "even at the prices we're seeing today on"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "both launch and building the spacecraft,"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "we're looking at margins upwards of 80%."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "Where a margin on on Earth today for"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "platinum on the high end is about 15%."}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "Wow. No [\u00a0__\u00a0] How So I mean, how did you"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "how do you know what's on an asteroid?"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "How would you know which one to target,"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "what's on it, or is it just process of"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "elimination?"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": ">> No. So, we study and they hit the earth"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "all the time and we just rename them as"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "meteorites."}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": ">> So in our office we have about 300"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "different meteorites that are just"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "laying around. It's kind of comical,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "right? It's like"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:20", "text": ">> like the science center going on there"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "to some extent. Uh and we study the"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "shell, right? We put them under what's"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "called XRF or X-way floresence and and"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "get samples from them. We have an"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "electron microscope with another"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "technology allows us to understand"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "composition we use all the time on them"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "and we really try to break down their"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "structures and see what's on them. Now"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "when we talk about asteroids, be very"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "clear, I'm not talking about all"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "asteroids."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "I'm only talking about a small"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "percentage of what we think is out"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "there, which is about 5% that we believe"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "to be these special type of asteroids"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "called metal asteroids. So, the real job"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "of astrophoge is not do they exist. We"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "know they exist because they hit the"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "planet all the time. We have a good"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "example or concentration of what where"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "we think they are in the universe. In"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "fact, NASA's sending a mission to one"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "right now called the Psyche mission."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "It's a [\u00a0__\u00a0] awesome mission."}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:01", "text": ">> Wait, what is that? Psyche 16 is a main"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "belt large believed to be Mtype asteroid"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "and NASA about a year and a half ago"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "launched a mission to Psyche 16 called"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "the Psyche mission. It's on its way"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "right now. Uh I believe it gets there in"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "about a year and a half from now and"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "we'll get our first images and spectral"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "data from a direct orbiting metal"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "asteroid. So it'd be really cool for the"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "first time to actually see one up close."}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "We've never been to one of these up"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "close, right? We've only been to what"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "are called I'm going to use the types"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "get a little complicated here. We've"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "only been to essentially rubble piles, a"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "bunch of rocks or kind of small little"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "planets that we find in space. That's"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "all we've really seen is asteroids or"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "comets. This will be the first one to go"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "to a metal asteroid."}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:42", "text": ">> No kidding."}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:43", "text": ">> By the way, what's really cool to think"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "about a metal asteroid if you think"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "about it. Um, we think metal asteroids"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "are the core of a dead planet. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "the same as the core of Earth. It's the"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "same makeup. And that's why they're"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "really high concentrations of dense"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "material because when you watch a planet"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "form, all the dense material sinks to"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "the bottom. So, what we're essentially"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "harvesting is a planet that for some"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "reason blew up hundreds of millions of"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "years ago, and I'm going out to like"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "mine the core of that planet. That's"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "what we're doing. 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I mean I"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "don't know how far these things have"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "gone. I mean the the James Webb I mean"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "that's where did that go?"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": ">> James Webb went to one of the Grange"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "points. So James W went to the stable"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "orbit on the other side of the moon. So"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "James Webb is pretty far away. I"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "actually don't know the distance, but I"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "would assume the moon's about 240"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "million mi away. Sorry, 240,000 mi away."}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "So web is probably somewhere in the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "range of 500,000 mi away uh where it's"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "stationed right now. And that was so it"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "doesn't get any reflection from the"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "Earth, right? That's why they wanted it"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "out there so it could be super cool than"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "not getting heat from the Earth to get"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "better images. I mean, so my question"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "is, I mean, you see all these these I"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "watch this stuff all the you you were"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "talking about you watch wartime Netflix"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "specials. I watch space stuff all the"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "time. And I always wonder how these I"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "mean, you see these like miraculous"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "images from Uranus and and"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "way out there, right? And how are they"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "how do these communicate? How are they"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "getting the imagery back to the Earth?"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "If you really want to dive deep, shiny,"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "you can go read my blog post on this,"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "which is like 10,000 words of the"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "details here. But how do they"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "communicate?"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": ">> How do they communicate on Earth is"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "so there's a lot of ways to think about"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "this. At the end of the day, they're"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "really far away. So they're losing a lot"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "of radiated power from the spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "over that great distance. So how do we"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "communicate? Really twofold. Big ass"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "dishes on the ground. So if you've ever"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "seen like the early James, I should say"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "early for me, James Bond movies with"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "Pierce Broman, right? where he's like in"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "Russia on there in front of like a big"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "dish. Those are the [\u00a0__\u00a0] dishes we"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "used to to listen to the spacecraft. The"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "one we used on our last on our last"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "mission was 32 meters across. So put"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "that in your head. This 100 100 foot,"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "you know, freedom units dish that we're"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "pointing in space and we have to be"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "accurate to be within 0.1\u00b0. So it's got"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "a little tiny beam that we're trying to"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "point out there and that's just to get"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "enough gain to pick up the signal from"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "the satellite. On the satellite side, we"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "use really, really powerful amplifiers."}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "So, spacecraft like Voyager, Psyche, um,"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "New Horizons use what's called the"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "traveling wave tube and they get, you"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "know, 100 dB gains. Now, keep in mind,"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "every 3dB is twice the power. So, you're"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "talking exponential power growth to send"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "back to Earth."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "All of that being said, and I should"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "quantify this maybe so it's a little bit"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "easier to understand. We talk about"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "something like"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "talk a little bit more about our"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "spacecraft. We broadcast at about 15"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "watts. Your cell phone on its highest"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "setting will broadcast at 100 mill,"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": ">> right? So we're we're much much more"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "powerful than your cell phone can even"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "get to. On top of that, the real trick"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "we do here is we slow down the data"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "substantially. So we communicate um you"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "know Voyager is communicating at 160"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "bits per second right now. Like you can"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "that that is so slow and that's so we"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "have more integration time on the ground"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "to determine if something is a one or a"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "zero. So we're just adding it up at very"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "high sample rates to say oh that was a"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "one that was a zero. But 160 bits per"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "second. Think about that. If you want to"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "send down a basic JPEG image"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "that's going to take you what 20 20 days"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "like these things can be really slow. So"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "then you have to start thinking about"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "well what kind of high-end compression"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "do we use? How does the spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "process these? How many bits do we send"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "back? The nice thing about space is most"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "of it's black. So you can just like make"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "it one one bit pattern right as you go"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "through. But the details of"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "communication are extremely hard when"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "you go out that far. It is not an easy"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "problem to solve whatsoever and requires"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "a whole bunch of infrastructure what's"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "called the deep space network to make it"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "happen."}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": ">> So how I mean how far can these"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "satellites go before we lose connection?"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "I mean, Voyager right now is uh 32"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "billion miles away from Earth. Someone"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "should fact check me on that because it"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "might be 3.2 billion. I might have got"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "my number wrong. Billions"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": ">> billions of miles away from Earth. And"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:28", "text": ">> I haven't done the link budget there. It"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "can keep going. And I'm sure they can"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "even slow down Voyager's bit rate even"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "more to get farther, but we can go"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "pretty far. It's an R squared loss on on"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "on the distance we go out. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "going to keep getting farther and"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "farther away, and we'll be able to talk"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "with it hopefully until the spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "actually fails."}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "I mean, think about that spacecraft."}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "It's kind of insane to think about,"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "right? Things been up there 50 years and"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "still working,"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:50", "text": ">> man."}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:51", "text": ">> And there's two of them."}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:52", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:53", "text": ">> That's wild. What I mean, how long have"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "you been in in space industry?"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": ">> I mean, look, I grew up in Pasadena and"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "there's the famous Jet Propulsion"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "Laboratory in Pasadena. I mean, my first"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "my first intro to space was touring in"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "an elementary school. Like, I've I've"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "always loved space, but I think more"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "importantly, I've always loved"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "technology. It's not always refocused"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "around space. It's focused around the"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "cool missions that go out there, the"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "things that happen. Space also can be"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "really boring. And I think we forget"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "about that as as humans sometimes. Like"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "when we went to the moon, that was a"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "really exciting time in space. And then"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "we made the space shuttle."}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "I didn't give a [\u00a0__\u00a0] about the space"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "shuttle. I don't know how many kids of"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "my generation were just like bored with"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "NASA like, \"Oh, cool. You guys built an"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "orbiter. Great.\" Like, like it's it's"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "all cool and I'm sure there's a whole"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "bunch of scientific rational, but it"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "didn't inspire you to go explore. And in"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "fact, NASA has still done some great"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "planetary science missions and really"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "has pushed the envelope on this. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "I think we'll continue to push the"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "envelope on planetary exploration and"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "science. And those are inspiring"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "missions, but they don't get a ton of"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "press because they don't have people on"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "them. You know, they're very much in the"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "community as you look at it. I hope a"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "little bit that we can bring that back."}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "I hope by lowering the cost of of entry"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "to to go explore the universe, we can"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "bring back the inspiration piece as"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "well. You know, again, if I can do this"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "for for double-digit millions, you now"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "have private institutions that can go do"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "this, universities that can go do this,"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "and we can go inspire a whole new"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "generation of people to go explore."}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": ">> Wow. Do I mean, do you know anything"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "about I'm going down some rabbit holes"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "here. Sorry."}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:28", "text": ">> Let's go down."}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": ">> I got you here. So, I got to ask this. I"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "want to know about this dark matter"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "stuff. What is it? What's going on?"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": ">> Look, I know absolutely [\u00a0__\u00a0] about dark"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "matter. What I say?"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Sorry, I just don't know. But but"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "what I will say is that"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:43", "text": ">> the reason we have so many questions"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "about dark matter is because we just"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "haven't been able to put the"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "instrumentation in space to go explore"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "this. I mean dark matter was discovered"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "by mistake, right? And the way it was"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "discovered was calculating gravity and"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "realizing like hold on these planets in"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "these solar systems we can see really"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "really I should say these stars around"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "these galaxies far away are going too"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "fast and if we do our normal calculation"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "they should fly off which means our mass"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "calculation is wrong. Why is our mouse"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "mass calculation wrong? One theory for"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "that is dark matter. But really what"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "we're saying is our math doesn't work on"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "on the model we're using. It's broken."}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": ">> And I think the most widely accepted"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "solution to that mass or to that to that"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "math is that there's extra mass that we"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "can't see. And so we call it dark matter"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "because we can't see it."}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "I hope we put more science in space to"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "go figure this out. Like I want to"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "figure out why the [\u00a0__\u00a0] we're here,"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "right? I want to figure out if there's"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "aliens. I want to figure out what the"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "universe is built, how we did it, what"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "is a new branch of physics we can go"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "discover. There's so many things that"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "space has unlocked for us as these key"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "pieces in time, including dark matter."}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "But because of the limited availability"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "to actually go explore it, it's just"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "handcuffed. And so unless you're willing"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "to be a top-notch professor that spends"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "20 years writing proposals and hopefully"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "gets your mission approved and then"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "hopefully gets it launched and then"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "hopefully doesn't get it cancelled and"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "then maybe you'll make a really cool"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "scientific discovery. I don't think"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "that's the best process."}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": ">> I mean in some of these documentaries"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "they kind of allude to the fact that it"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "might be some type of a new energy"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "source. I mean you think there's"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "anything to that?"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "I love to go down these branches of"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "physics and try to understand them and"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "try to figure out like you have you have"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "antimatter, you got dark matter, you got"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "all these different states, you got all"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "these different theories, you got"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "theories on on variable light theory."}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "Like there's all these really cool"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "theories that are out there that you can"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "go read and explore. Here's the reality,"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "Sean. I'm too stupid to understand all"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "of them. I'm not going to pretend like"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "I'm the genius on all this stuff, right?"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:40", "text": ">> Well, I appreciate it."}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": ">> I think it's really cool for me to go"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "read these. And what I would always"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "suggest because we all fall down this"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "rabbit hole which is like we turn on the"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "Discovery Channel and there's like some"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "crazy dude with crazy hair on there"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "being like oh if you vibrate an atom at"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "this it will turn into this and then"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "teleport and you could like teleport"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "humans and go read the actual papers and"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "usually you don't draw those same"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "conclusions. You can get how they get"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "there but like the statistics to make"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "that happen are infantessimably small"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "and nonrealistic. The best is here's a"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "trick I would always recommend you use"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "that that I've used a lot. Um,"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "scientists don't get reached out to a"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "lot. Call them. Just call them and say"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "like, \"Hey, I don't understand this. Can"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "you help me understand it?\" And they are"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "some of the most helpful group of people"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "I've ever run across. Some of the best"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "things we have done at Astroforge are"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "because I just emailed people on papers"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "I read about certain things like metal"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "asteroids. And you get in touch with"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "these epic scientists who are willing to"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "pick up the phone and talk to you and"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "they'll talk to you for hours. I'm like"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "that amount of information I get from"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "just calling people has changed the"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "course of the company and my life. And"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "you can do that as well, right? Anybody"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "listening can do that as well of like"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "these people are all stars in the"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "science community, but they're still"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "accessible to you. Just reach out."}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": ">> Do you think there's aliens out there?"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "You'd mentioned that. I wasn't going to"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "go there, but hey, you brought it up."}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "What do you think?"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": ">> Um, I hope there's aliens. Do I think"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "so? Here's here's the here is the sad"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "truth that I think I'm coming to more of"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "the realization that may exist."}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "I think there's got to be other"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "intelligent life forms in the universe."}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "There is too many stars. There's too"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "many galaxies to to statistically not"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "have that be a case. I don't know if we"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "can communicate with them or ever reach"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "them. I don't know if physics will ever"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "allow us to travel faster than light."}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "And I have seen no convincing evidence"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "that we can. And so because of that, I"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "actually come up with this really sad"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "scenario which is yeah, I think there"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "are other civilizations out there and I"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "think we'll never have confirmed proof"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "that they ever exist because we either"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "cannot communicate with them or cannot"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "travel to them in any way, shape or"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "form. And so I hope we're able to break"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "that down. I hope I'm incorrect. I hope"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "somebody listening is like, \"Oh, this"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "guy's an idiot and here's the solution"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "to that and we can go travel faster than"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "light.\" Because we all see it in sci-fi"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "movies and it's what makes every sci-fi"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "movie work. Yet it's one of the few"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "things we don't have a theory on. And so"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "that's that's I think is the cold hard"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "reality of the universe. I do think"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "there is life in our own solar system. I"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "don't think there's intelligent life in"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "our solar system. I'm pretty convinced"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "that we're going to find microbes or"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "signs of life on some of these moons,"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "especially around especially around"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "Jupiter um and some of these other"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "places in the universe. Like there's got"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "to be it just doesn't make sense for"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "there not to be. We've already seen that"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "the signs of it, but again, the"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "limitation, Sean, is that we send these"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "really expensive missions out. And if"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "you're going to go be a scientist,"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "you're probably not going to write like,"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "\"Please fly my instrument that will"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "detect aliens.\" You're going to say"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "like, \"Oh, I want to detect the building"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "blocks of the universe on this planet.\""}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "And that doesn't always correspond with"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "like, \"Can you see microbes?\""}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "I hope that some of the missions we do"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "in the future are going to do that are"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "actually going to be so low cost that"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "they can go have, I don't know, microbe"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "detection instruments on them that we"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "can send out and land on Mars or some of"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "these other planets, right? That's the"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "future I want to see created."}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": ">> What evidence have we found?"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:58", "text": ">> Oh god, you asked me to go back through"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "it. We found amino acids, right? We"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "found some of the building blocks of"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "life."}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:03", "text": ">> Um, we found Yeah. water on Mars, right?"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "That's been a big one that we've come"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "across. It's crazy. We've we've looked"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "at Mars so many times and like you're"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "seeing these discoveries now and it it"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "kind of makes you take a step back and"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "realize like we think of Mars, at least"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "I think of Mars as this little tiny"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "thing in space that we've explored. And"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "like the reality is, oh no, no, we"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "haven't explored it at all. Like we"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "barely scratched the surface of what is"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "on Mars and finding water, finding ice"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "is these huge discoveries that we've"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "been going to Mars for 50 years and we"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "just now figured this out. Like what"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "else are we missing? What else haven't"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "we seen? We haven't gone subsurface. You"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "know, we have these moons that we think"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "are completely frozen and they have"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "liquid water underneath them. Like, is"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "there fish? Is there things swimming"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "around down there? I don't know. But I"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "really really hope we get the chance to"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "go figure it out and find out."}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": ">> Yeah, me too. Me, too. I mean, what do"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "you think about all the, you know, this"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "the the stuff that hits the news with"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "these gravitic propulsion systems and"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "things going in the water and coming out"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "and all these sightings? What do you"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "think? I love talking."}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": ">> You know, if you would have looked at"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "the A12 or what became the the SR71,"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "right? Um in the 1960s, what would you"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "have chocked it up as? Because I would"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "have said like, \"Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] there's"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "aliens. Like, what is this thing? It's"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "going Mach 3. It looks like this thing"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "we've never ever seen. What's"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "happening?\" And and what you realize is"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "like that actually isn't aliens. That"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "was humans, right? That was Skunk Works"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "and Kelly Johnson that built that. And"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "um it was physics that dictated that"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "design. And I think what we've forgot is"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "that we keep in our brain extenduate"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "that out to like, well, what's the SR72?"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "In fact, we've we've seen advertisements"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "for the SR72 and it looks like a plane."}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "We can all recognize, we can all draw"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "the lineage from that to this. What we"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "haven't looked at is like, well, what"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "are governments, and I don't even mean"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "our government, right? This could be"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "China, this could be Russia, this could"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "be us, this could be any developing"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "nation that's pushing the envelope."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "Like, we're all focused on air. I don't"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "think air matters anymore. We've seen"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "satellites kind of dominate the our"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "ability to get data. We don't really"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "need reconnaissance aircraft anymore."}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "What is the government building in the"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "oceans? What are they building that goes"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "in and out of the oceans? Like, are"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "these just man-made objects that are"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "classified and we don't have access to?"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "Probably. That's that's probably the"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "most likelihood thing of of what we're"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "going to see there from a probabilistic"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "standpoint. Do I really hope they're"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "like little aliens that are going to"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "come and all a sudden like, you know,"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "come out with their little guns like,"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "you know, Mars Attack style and like,"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] yeah. But I I find it really hard"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "to extrapolate to that. And also,"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "put yourself in the shoes of an alien."}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "If you came to a planet with a"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "civilization on that you could just"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "dominate through a will of force, what"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "what would you do, Sean? Would you go"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "hide in the ocean?"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:48", "text": ">> I don't know what I would do. I"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:49", "text": ">> I tell you what I would do. I'd become"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "the [\u00a0__\u00a0] emperor of the world and it"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "would be sick. That's what I would do,"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "right? Like I would I would say all you"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "people are now dominating. Like I"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "dominate all of you. I got better"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "technology. I'm going to at least be"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "known. I'm not going to go hide in the"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "middle of the Pacific where like one"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "there's not even anything in the middle"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "Pacific. Like what a boring place to go."}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "So it just doesn't make sense to me,"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "right? I I can't connect the dots that"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "these are actual aliens coming here."}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": ">> Maybe we're an experiment and we're"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "they're just monitoring."}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "I that'd be a cool outcome, right? Like"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "I again I hope there is intelligent life"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "and I hope that is what's going on. I"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "just it's it's this hard thing where"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "until we have evidence, it's really hard"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "to draw any delineation here to anything"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "special happening. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:34", "text": ">> you got to have"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "extraordinary evidence to make"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "extraordinary claims. And I just haven't"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "seen any extraordinary evidence to"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "suggest that anything is here other than"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "some like shitty video showing some"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "things move in ways that we can't"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "describe. And I think those are really"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "cool to study. I think you can do"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "calculations to figure out like, oh,"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "actually humans can't be in there. They"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "would be killed by gravity, right? Like"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "G-forces are too high if we do this. And"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "you can do math on these and kind of get"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "a sense of of what's going on and how we"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "do this. But let's be honest, the F22"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "was was essentially handcuffed because"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "pilots can't handle the G-forces in it."}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "And that was what went into I think that"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "went into service in 1994. I think"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "started its development in the late '7s."}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "You're telling me that like oh all a"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "sudden after 1994 we're just like okay"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "cool you know we can beat we can beat G"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "forces on the human body on airframes"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "now we're just going to stop"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "development. Like I could just"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "extrapolate it out and say 30 years"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "later yeah that probably went up even"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "more and maybe some of these G-forces we"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "can calculate are now realistic with"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "some of the propulsion techniques we're"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "using. I don't know. There's a whole"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "bunch of new propulsion techniques out"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "there that"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "some uh there's one that that I've"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "looked at a lot. It's called a rotating"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "detonated detonating engine RDE. There's"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "a couple companies now building them,"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "which is pretty awesome. I love to see"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "this. Russia did a whole bunch of"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "publications here until 2010 and then"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "stopped."}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "What is it? It's a very special type of"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "engine that allows you to get"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "theoretically it uses a totally"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "different instead of using combustion,"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "it uses detonation. So you can get much"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "more efficiency out of the same fuel"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "sources going into it. Best way to put"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "it is you could take something like a"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "Falcon 9 and by replacing the engine"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "with one of these RDEs, make it lift as"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "much mass as a Falcon Heavy, right? So"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "you can essentially make a rocket much"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "much better by using these engines. It's"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "a long extrapolation. There's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "questions to them. There's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "physics to still be figured out. But why"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "did Russia go silent in 2010? Like did"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "they just give up on developing it?"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "Maybe. or did they make some"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "breakthroughs that they didn't want to"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "release anymore that now enables these"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "type of technologies to exist, right?"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "Hypersonic missiles are a big big thing"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "that we're looking at with RDE. There's"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "a lot of cool things you can draw from"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "this that don't require you to believe"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "in aliens. As much as I want to, Sean, I"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "just"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "I find it hard to believe they exist."}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "And if they did, God, I wish they were"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "cooler because again, I want to see like"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "Emperor Alien."}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "I don't know. I don't I don't I'm"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "leaning towards No, they don't exist."}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "I've interviewed a bunch of people about"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "this stuff and I just it's it's all oh"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "that's classified that's classified too"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "this that you know and it's just it's"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "like all right. So nobody really knows"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "anything."}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:14", "text": ">> So much of what is classified is not"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "like it's not like you get a clearance"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "and all a sudden you walk in a skiff and"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "they're like oh hey actually there's"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] aliens and they fly these ships."}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "They're like you walk in there and"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "they're like here's the frequency and"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "you're like that that's it like what are"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "we talking about here right? Like this"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "is not how it works and I think movies"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "have really turned our brain to think"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "there's some Area 52 where they have"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "element 114 and like I love all I think"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "they're ex awesome to go explore and you"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "got to go explore whenever you hear new"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "things like this. It just doesn't make"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "sense to me though and understanding how"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "the government works. Like I'm sorry,"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "the government is one of the most"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "inefficient things I've ever seen"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "operate. And usually everything that"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "comes out like we got the the the signal"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "messages from the Secretary of Defense."}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "They couldn't even hide that. You're"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "telling me that we're going to go hide"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "like secret alien aircraft underneath a"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "mountain and nobody's going to leak"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "this? Please. I I just I can't I can't"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "draw that conclusion."}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:09", "text": ">> I'm with you. I'm with you."}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:12", "text": ">> Bad. Well, back to asteroids. Let's get"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "back to let's get back to asteroids. So,"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "you know, I'm"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "you're the second guy that I've had on"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "that's talking about mining stuff in"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "space. I had this uh gentleman on Steve"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "Quast and uh he's he's he was he came in"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "and he was talking about how China is"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "mining helium 3 off the back side of the"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "moon for for for energy. Have you heard"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "about this?"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": ">> Okay. I don't think first off, China is"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "not mining helium 3 off the back side of"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "the moon for energy right now. It has"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "been theorized there's a couple"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "companies in the United States going"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "after helium 3 mining off the moon. So"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "what happens is when you have the solar"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "the solar flux coming through like we"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "have an atmosphere on Earth so we don't"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "have this happen on the moon high energy"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "protons will hit those I'm probably"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "saying this wrong and some physicist"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "will yell at me right but some particles"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "from the sun hit the helium atoms on the"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "moon and will create this this isotope"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "helium 3 and uh that's what people want"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "to go mine because it it has really good"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "power properties. It allows you to cool"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "things really really low and it's"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "theoretically worth a lot of money."}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": ">> I think there's a couple problems with"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "helium 3. Um what's that?"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:22", "text": ">> I think this is something we get wrong a"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "lot when we look at companies and we"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "look at markets which is the market cap."}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "It's my same problem with rare earth"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "metals as we go into it. Right? The"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "market cap for helium 3 is extremely"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "low. So helium 3 in 2023 had a total"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "market cap of $5.8 million. So, yeah, it"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "might be worth $100 million a kilogram"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "or $20 million a kilogram or whatever"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "the number is, but like that's not how"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "economics work, right? It's supply and"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "demand."}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": ">> And if you increase the supply, you"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "lower the demand, thus the cost goes"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "down. There's all these people that"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "study this, but again,"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:58", "text": ">> basic business isn't that hard. And"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "sometimes we try to convolute it. It's"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "pretty straightforward. Uh, Helium 3 has"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "a really small market cap. Now, it may"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "grow. And one of the ways we think"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "helium 3 may grow is with nuclear,"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "right? We've talked about fision"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "reactors being able to use off helium 3"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "and there's this whole philosophy how to"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "get there."}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "The big problem with that is that"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "nuclear reactors make helium 3. It's one"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "of the byproducts of them. So we know"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "how to make helium 3 on Earth."}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Um I don't think there's going to"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "be a supply problem as we go into the"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "future. But the cool thing as startups"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "is we all get to make these different"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "thesises and bets on what's going to"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "happen. And maybe I'm wrong, right?"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "There is also another theory that says"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "on the positive side for Helium 3 that"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "quantum computing is going to use it at"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "a high level. Someone makes a"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "breakthrough tomorrow on quantum"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "computing and it takes off like I could"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "be totally wrong and this [\u00a0__\u00a0] could be"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "worth 10 10x, right? And those are the"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "huge markets you can go into. But as of"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "today, it's a really small market and"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "it's one of the things that will allow"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "us. It's one of the few economic use"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "cases you can even think of on the moon"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "right now because the reality is like"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "lunar dirt is pretty much the same as"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "the dirt we have here, right? Maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "a little bit higher in aluminum con"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "content I believe than what we have"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "here. I'm sure some geologists can give"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "you some details, but it's not really"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "that different. There's nothing that"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "special in it."}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:13", "text": ">> Interesting. I mean, so when we're"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "talking about metals like platinum and"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "and and what what other metals are you"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "looking at?"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:21", "text": ">> Really right now we're looking at the"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "platinum group metals, right? Massive"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "market cap. So platinum group metals"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "used in manufacturing last year was"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "about $60 billion. That's the market we"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "want to go after. I'm not even talking"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "about the store of wealth. Like people"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "will wear platinum as jewelry, things"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "like this, right? But platinum group"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "metals enable the future. So you've"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "probably had a lot of people come on"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "this show recently and talk about I see"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "your nuclear hat over there. That's why"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "I'm talking about this. Uh and I know"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "you've had Scott Nolan on here and some"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "others talk about nuclear and"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:49", "text": ">> Isaiah Taylor"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:50", "text": ">> energy demand as it's growing."}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:52", "text": ">> Mhm. And I think they're right. The one"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "piece they're forgetting on that in my"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "opinion though is like that's not the"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "only thing that goes into a big data"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "center. The other thing that goes into a"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "big data center are computer chips,"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "right? That mostly Nvidia is making that"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "go built there. What metals use to make"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "computer chips? One of the biggest"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "metals consumers in making AS6 is the"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "platinum group metals. So I think in the"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "future and look we can go on this long"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "road about capitalism. Capitalism"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "requires you to have a pretty high"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "growth rate as a country. We have to"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "keep growing, right? We have to grow 2"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "to 3% a year to maintain capitalism. If"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "we become flat, like this system does"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "not work. And that's really how we've"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "driven it. That means we're going to"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "have to have exponential growth as we go"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "into the next century. And it's going to"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "get huge. We're going to have all of"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "these things. Energy is going to have to"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "grow exponentially. So are materials."}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "And the one I'm going after on the"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "material front, just like these guys are"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "going after on the power front, is the"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "platinum group metals. We use it in"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "computer chips. We use it in your cars."}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "We use it to treat cancer. Like it's"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "used throughout our lives. The honest"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "truth is, Sean, it's just not a sexy"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "metal. Like, if you ever look at this"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "stuff, it's kind of boring. It looks"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "like some gray like iron shavings."}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "You're like, \"Cool, what is this shit?\""}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "Don't care. Um, but it's a it's a pretty"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "important metal to our way of life."}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:05", "text": ">> Yeah. So, how abundant is it on some of"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "these asteroids?"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:08", "text": ">> I mean, look, we got examples of"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "asteroids that are extremely rich in the"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "platinum group metals. We have one"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "that's just above 1% platinum group"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "metal by mass in the office. Now, that"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "is an N of one, right? as a as a general"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "part, they're probably going to be about"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "two orders of magnitude lower than that"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "as a general concentration. But compare"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "that to what we have in South Africa. We"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "have a mine in South Africa. It's eight"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "parts per billion. Like it's a very very"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "thin margin of of what we have on or"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "quality here on Earth. So these things"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "on average are about 5 to 10,000 times"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "better than the best ore mines we have"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "on Earth."}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": ">> Wow. So, you know, Mike, we were just"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "talking about"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "margins and supply and demand and all"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "that stuff. So, if if platinum is that"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "abundant on asteroids and I don't we'll"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "get into how you're going to mine it and"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "bring it back and all that stuff. I"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "mean, wouldn't that lower the demand by"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "quite a quite a bit?"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:01", "text": ">> Of course, but that doesn't happen"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "overnight, right? And so, I'll give you"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "two different futures, both of which I'm"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "happy to create, and I really don't have"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "a I really don't actually care which"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "won't happen, so I shouldn't say that"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "out loud, but I really don't give a"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] Um, so again, $60 billion market"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "cap. Now, keep in mind on our first"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "mission, we're going to bring back $60"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "million worth of platinum. That's a drop"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "in the bucket on the first mission."}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:21", "text": ">> On the first mission that we go do the"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "mining on, right? That'll happen. That"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:24", "text": "will launch in about 2 years."}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:25", "text": ">> Um, we'll bring back"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:26", "text": ">> real quick before we go on, how how much"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "is $60 million worth of,000 kg of the"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "platinum group metals."}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:32", "text": ">> 1,000 kg."}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:34", "text": ">> Yep. Of these six elements, right? So,"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "that's at the expected concentration, we"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "expect it to be worth right around 60"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "million. These prices, it's a commodity."}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "They vary, right? you might by the time"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "the show comes out it might be twice as"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "much or half as much. It's actually gone"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "up quite a bit in the last two months um"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "as this goes forward but we bring back"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "around 60 million. So when you look at"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "that into a market cap of 60 billion, we"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "look at elasticity of this element like"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "that's not going to affect the price at"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "all. Right? It's like if you go take"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "your gold ring and and turn it into the"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "pawn shop, you don't affect the price of"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "gold. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:04", "text": ">> Now, if you go take, you know, back up a"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "Brinks truck with with a thousand tons"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "of gold, like you're probably going to"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] the price up a little bit. But the"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "other thing here is I think we all got"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "to be reminded of someone named"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "Napoleon. And the reason is Napoleon,"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "his silverware was made out of aluminum"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "because in the 17 I don't even know when"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "this guy lived, right? 1780s or"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "whatever, you know, some [\u00a0__\u00a0] like that."}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "Um, the most baller [\u00a0__\u00a0] you could have"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "was aluminum. So like he's eating with"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "aluminum silverware cuz it was the it"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "was what the kings, you know, the kings"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "had. And then we found this new process"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "to make aluminum. And now if you have"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "aluminum silverware, like what is this"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "garbage? Like can you make it out steel?"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "So it's a little heavier. Like our water"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "bottles are aluminum. The airplane I"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "flew here is aluminum. Like our actual"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "modern way of life was created because"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "of this process of extracting aluminum."}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "We knew about aluminum before. We knew"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "what it was. The difference was is the"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "cost of aluminum was astronomical."}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "which are those same analogies to"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "platinum right now. Platinum costs are"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "very high. They're astronomical because"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "it's a supply and demand created"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "ecosystem,"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "but you probably heard of hydrogen."}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "Well, the way you make green hydrogen,"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "so it isn't spewing out carbon and isn't"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "just, you know, being a less effective"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "energy transfer is with a platinum"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "catalyst. There's all these theoretical"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "use cases, and I shouldn't even say"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "theoretical. There's all these use cases"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "for platinum that monetarily don't make"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "any sense right now that if you could"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "flip the switch on do. And so I'm happy"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "with two outcomes. One is we have an"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "aluminum revolution, right? We changed"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "the way that we operate on this planet"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "because we now have an abundance of a"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "resource coming from outside of the"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "earth. It allows our growth rate to"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "continue. It allows us to expand on the"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "universe and it allows us to really, I"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "think, level up as a civilization. The"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "other use case is is I bring back $60"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "million at a time um into a massive"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "market and we make a shitload of money."}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "Either one of those I'm good with. We'll"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "see which ones happens."}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": ">> Right on. Right on. So, how far along"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "are you?"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:04", "text": ">> So,"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:04", "text": ">> in this in the process to mining"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "asteroids,"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:06", "text": ">> we are getting ready for our next"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "mission. Next mission is called Vestri."}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "Vestri is a 200 kg spacecraft. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "for for a deep spacecraft by the way"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "that's extremely small, you know, on"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "relative terms. And that'll go out and"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "do a landing on one of these metal"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "asteroids. So that's targeted to launch"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "next year."}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:22", "text": ">> No kidding."}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:22", "text": ">> Following year we will send essentially"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "best part two. It'll be the same same"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "same overall spacecraft, but we'll add"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "the refinery to it and return capability"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "and we'll go out mine the asteroid and"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "bring it back to Earth."}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:33", "text": ">> So the first one, what what is the"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "mission of the first one?"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:36", "text": ">> So the first one well the first mission"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "we launched the first planetary mission"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "we launched was one called Odin. We"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "launched that in February. That was our"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "first commercial attempt to go to deep"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "space."}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:45", "text": ">> February of this year. February of this"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "year, smaller spacecraft went out. We"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "made it about twice as far as the moon."}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "So, last signal we got from it was"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "850,000 km away from the planet. Uh, but"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "one of the solar panels stuck, didn't"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "work, right? And that's the hard"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "realities of space sometimes is these"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "things don't always work. They don't"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "always work the way you want to. And"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "again, that's when it comes back to like"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "how resilient are you as a as a leader"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "of a company and how resilient is your"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "company to pick up the pieces, say,"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "\"Cool, we made some mistakes. We [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "it up. Let's go fix it.\""}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:13", "text": ">> So, what happened there? just you lost"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "connection."}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": ">> Well, no. What happened there is when we"}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "departed Falcon, so you know, we we fly"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "on a Falcon 9 SpaceX rocket. We're shot"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "towards the moon on a on a trajectory"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "called trans lunar injection. It's the"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "same trajectory the Apollo astronauts"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "flew on and we depart from the rocket"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "and one of our solar panels did not"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "open. And we don't actually know why. I"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "have a couple theories of why, right, as"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "to why that could have happened. It's"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "not really important though. Spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "didn't become power positive. And so"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "what that means is we're constantly"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "slowly draining our batteries with only"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "one panel open, right?"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:46", "text": ">> And we're there was no way to save the"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "spacecraft. We knew that thing was"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "essentially broken pretty quickly into"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "the mission."}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:52", "text": ">> Um but you still see what you can do,"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "how you can communicate with it. We were"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "able to do one thing which is update our"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "navigation. Like I mentioned, when you"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "have a 100 meter dish and you have a 0.1"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "degree beam width, like you have to know"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "where you are in space. You have to know"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "it pretty accurately. And we were one of"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "the first commercial companies to ever"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "do that for uh a deep space trajectory,"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "right? Something going out past the moon"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "to confirm that we could locate and"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "navigate to our spacecraft and"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "communicate with it. And that was some"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "of the big successes of Odin. Big"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "failure was didn't make it all the way"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "asteroid. It was supposed to do a flyby"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "mission. Didn't happen."}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:23", "text": ">> Interesting. So, is it one satellite"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "that it's not it's not triangulating?"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:28", "text": ">> No, it's Nope."}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:30", "text": ">> Nope. One one satellite that goes out."}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:33", "text": ">> I'm sorry. Dish, not satellite."}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Sorry. So well we did send one"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "satellite but also one dish on the"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "ground right and and we use two"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "different techniques we use um what's"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "essentially called range and range rate"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "very similar to GPS very similar in the"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "same way except we don't have you know"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "GPS requires four satellites to get a"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "complete signal with time we use one and"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "so we determine how far away we are and"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "what velocity we're going and then we"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "have to propagate that through our"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "filters to say where we should be where"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "we are use it as an update we know we're"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "on a trajectory keep in mind the"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "spacecraft and earth are moving in"}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "different relativistic trajectory from"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "each other right at the time. So while"}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:08", "text": "we're not triangulating with multiple"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "dishes, what we are doing instead is"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "waiting for Earth to move and then"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "getting an update just like you would in"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "a synthetic aperture radar. It's the"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "same idea for how we do spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "communication, right? The Earth is"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "moving away from the vehicle. So we get"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "multiple data points of where it is and"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "we can we can correlate it trajectory"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "out into space."}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:26", "text": ">> So"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "So what happens when"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "there's got to be about what 12 hours"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "where there's no connectivity? Correct."}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "So the earth does get in our way. That's"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "why we use multiple dishes, which oh my"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "god, for our last mission, we had like"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "disaster central with multiple dishes."}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "It was it was a fun it was a fun"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "exercise in learning this. One thing"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "that's a little bit different than us"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "than than a lot of space companies right"}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "now, well, than all of them is we're"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "going to deep space. And so what this is"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "is is I'm assuming the same [\u00a0__\u00a0] Elon"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "went through with Falcon 1. You're"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "dealing with antiquated infrastructure."}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "So our big dish, the 32 meter dish we"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "used was owned by ISRO, which is the"}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "Indian Space Agency and we had to"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "license it through a provider and then"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "talk with them. We had a dish in the"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "Azors that was owned by a totally"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "different company that we had to"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "independently contract with with a"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "different receiver stack and a different"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "dish. And that dish actually caught on"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "fire 2 days before launch so we couldn't"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "use it. We had one in the US that we"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "could only use to receive but not to"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "transmit with the spacecraft. We had one"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "in Australia where we had a"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "configuration issue with it early on um"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "but it was too small. It would only work"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "for the first day. Like it was just such"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "a disperate thing trying to work across"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "all these different independent"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "organizations to figure out how to talk"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "with the spacecraft. So one of the"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "biggest challenges we have is how do we"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "get access to these large dishes? And"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "one of the changes we made on Vestri is"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "we actually added more gain on the"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "spacecraft so that the dishes on the"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "ground could be smaller so we could have"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "access to more of them. And it's this"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "kind of like never- ending cycle. To"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "give you a sense here, most spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "you hear about like Starlink or anything"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "in low Earth orbit, right?"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:01", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:02", "text": ">> Um, it's about a million times more"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "power needed to communicate at the same"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "data rate you would with Starlink to"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "something that's at the moon. And we"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "want to go 30 times farther than the"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "moon. So like the dish size has to just"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "be so much bigger than a little tiny"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "dish that you can communicate with"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "Starling. That's why you can have"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "something in your backpack that"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "communicates with it, right? or when we"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "launch rockets, we usually use 2 to 3"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "meter little dishes that sits on top of"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "your roof. Like those are easy, you"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "know, couple cost 50 grand to go put up"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "on your roof. Just doesn't work for us."}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "It's one of the biggest challenges we"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "got. I mean, is are there any I'm just"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "curious. Are there any national security"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "concerns with using uh space agency in"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "India or any other country?"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:43", "text": ">> So, we don't fall under well, we fall"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "under some regulation. I should say any"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "regulation right now, but but"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "realistically, no. I don't think we have"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "formed a national security opinion about"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "deep space. I don't think it's hotly"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "contested right now. And the thing about"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "it is when you talk about, you know,"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "there's been a lot of talk of Golden"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "Dome and some of these like Chinese"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "satellites moving in space and how we"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "look at that. That's all in low Earth"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "orbit. It's pretty close to us. It's a"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "pretty confined, you know, volume that"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "that we're worried about. Uh, a lot of"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "our really expensive satellites and"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "really good national security assets are"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "in MEO or geo medium earth orbit or or"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "geocynchronous orbit like GPS. Um, we"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "want to protect those assets and I think"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "that's why the government cares a lot"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "about those areas of space."}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:24", "text": ">> The nice thing is once you get past the"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "moon like"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:28", "text": ">> it expands and there's nobody out there"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "like even if you could go try to shoot"}, {"end": "00:47:35", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "me down like the orbits are really hard."}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "There's a lot of energy needed to catch"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:35", "text": "up with it. Like it's almost impossible"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "to actually access our spacecraft once"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "it's passed the moon by any other"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "spacecraft unless it knows our"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "trajectory before the launch."}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:43", "text": ">> Oh god. Oh god. Wow. The expanses here"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "are crazy. And when you really start to"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "like put on a map, you realize I mean"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "it it almost doesn't resonate in your"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "brain, right? Like something in lower"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "Earth orbit is 400 miles above us. You"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "can see that with a telescope on the"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "ground. We can study these the space"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "station. We all kind of have a sense of"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "like what that picture looks like going"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "down. There's the famous picture of"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "Voyager looking back on Earth. That pale"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "blue dot picture you may have seen which"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "is like Earth is this little tiny speck."}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:10", "text": ">> That's where we are, right? Like that's"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "the area we want to go operate in. It's"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "a very different regime than what we"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "have on Earth or lower."}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:16", "text": ">> Who else is doing this? Anybody?"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:18", "text": ">> I mean there's other there's other"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "companies going after this for sure. We"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "have a couple US companies that are"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "going after it, but I think our biggest"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "competitor is in China."}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:26", "text": ">> Really? What's China? How far along are"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "they?"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:29", "text": ">> I wish China would publish more. Like I"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "probably publish too much. We're ve I'm"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "very transparent about the company. Like"}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "I don't hide anything. We we we [\u00a0__\u00a0] up,"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "I write about it. Right? We do good, I"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "write about it. I think that's really"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "important is that whether it's us or"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "somebody else, like humanity has to see"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "this happen to to again maintain our way"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "of life. Like growth rates are"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "exponential. Space mining has to happen"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "at some point. I'm hopeful the timing is"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "right now. I could be wrong. China"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "doesn't take that same approach. They"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "don't write about it. There's very"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "little information that comes out."}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "Um, we've had uh we've had some movie"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] happen to us, Sean. We had some uh"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "Chinese tourists show up at the door one"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "time. Um, we've had a lot of requests to"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "go to Hong Kong. It's it's very"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "interesting to see how China will try to"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "work with you to see what information"}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "you have that can benefit some of their"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "stat statebacked companies. This is"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "pretty clear. I'm sure everybody gets"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "this to some extent. It's been comical."}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "Like, I'm like, guys, could you maybe"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "try a little harder and mix this up a"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "little differently right as you go"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "through it? But China's definitely very"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "interested in what we're doing and I"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "think very interested in trying to beat"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "us at it."}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:31", "text": ">> Interesting. I mean, how do you how do"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "you navigate through that?"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:36", "text": ">> Espionage."}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:37", "text": ">> That's it. Like I think the best way to"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "to to beat anybody is just be better."}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "There's nothing else. We could try to"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "hide everything. We can try to keep our"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "system super secure and spend all this"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:47", "text": "money to to kind of gatekeep everything"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "and and not tell anybody what we're"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "doing. Or we could just go faster. And I"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "think"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "people have really seen that speed"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "matters a lot. And this is the thing I"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "preach all the time. It's like speed"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:50:00", "text": "matters. If you think you can do"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "something tonight, do it. Don't wait"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "till tomorrow, right? And that's how we"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "beat anybody. And if we can be there"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "first and we can do it first, there's a"}, {"end": "00:50:12", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "lot of things that allow us to"}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "continuously do that at a high rate."}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:12", "text": "Keep in mind, Sean, I just got to get to"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "one of these asteroids. I make it to"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "one. I can mine it multiple times."}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "There's one asteroid we're looking at"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "right now. It's about 400 mters in"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "diameter. I really love it. It's got"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "like all the right spectral data. It's"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "It's like this perfect asteroid that we"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "we think we can get to. I could mine it"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "one e to the 15 times before it runs out"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "of ore. Like that's essentially infinity"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "times, right? I'm not even going to"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "really do the math. That that's a"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "shitload of times. So, I just got to"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "find one and I just got to do it"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "continuously. Once I have that, I can"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "protect that asset pretty easily both"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "through UN law and"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "with with our military, right? Like we"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "know how to defend ourselves in in every"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "adversarial situation."}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "Wow. How far I mean"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "how how far out is that asteroid?"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:03", "text": ">> So, it's a really hard question to"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "answer because it's rotating around the"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "sun. I mean, sorry, it's orbiting around"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "the sun. So, at different times is"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "different distances from us. There's"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "times this asteroid has come within a"}, {"end": "00:51:17", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "million miles of the Earth. There's"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "times like right now where this asteroid"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:17", "text": "is somewhere in the range of about 50"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "million miles away racing towards us,"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "right? And so when you have it going"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "around the sun, there'll be a little bit"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "of plane. For the most part, we're"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "pretty in lock step, but they'll be out"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "of phase a little bit and they'll"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "they'll rotate at different speeds."}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:31", "text": ">> How many asteroids are there? I mean, is"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "this a belt or is this just a random"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "asteroid? I don't know much about this."}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:37", "text": ">> Yeah, it's something. So, what we are"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "going after is specific type of asteroid"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "called a near-Earth asteroid. These are"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "newly discovered. In 2000, I think we"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "had discovered about seven of them. Um"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "there's estimated now to be we think"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "scientifically it's 10 million of them."}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "It's a good round number to to to think"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "there is. Now this ranges in particle"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "size you know from down to like really"}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "really small up to about a kilometer and"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "a half in diameter. Um one really"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "important thing happened recently though"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "the Reuben telescope came online Reuben"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "Observatory and in its first viewing you"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "know found 4,000 bodies. Now about half"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "of them were new. That's a huge"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "discovery and a huge amount of time and"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "it really correlates to that paper"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "saying we think there's about 10 million"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "of these near-earth asteroids. What"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "nearear asteroids do for us is just"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "allow our trip times to be much shorter."}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "If I have to go 10 million miles away"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "from the earth, that's a lot faster than"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "going out to the belt, right? The"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "asteroid belt, which is 300 million"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "miles away from the Earth, give or take."}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "Um, takes a lot longer, you know? I"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "mean, those those missions would be 14"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "15 year missions to go out and mine a"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "main belt asteroid and come back."}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:38", "text": ">> How long does it take you to get a"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "million miles away? We want to do all"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "our missions in less than two years."}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "It's what allows us to keep the"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "spacecraft cheap, small, higher risk."}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "Like radiation's a [\u00a0__\u00a0] in space. You"}, {"end": "00:52:52", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "just get blasted by the sun. And things"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "like solar flares happen just, you know,"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:52", "text": "we just wave by to our spacecraft as it"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "as it gets destroyed. So like limiting"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "the amount of time you're actually in"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "that environment is pretty key to having"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "a much more higher reliability"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "spacecraft."}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:02", "text": ">> So it take two years and your your next"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "launch is when?"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:05", "text": ">> The max we look at is two years. Some of"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "these missions take much less. But"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "again, because we are not dedicated"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "launch, like every interplanetary"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "mission has been dedicated launch, this"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "means they're on a rocket. They control"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "exactly when that rocket takes off. And"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "if they want to go to Jupiter, like you"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "point the rocket at Jupiter and go to"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "Jupiter, we don't get that option. We're"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "going on a ride share to the moon. When"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "the people that want to land on the moon"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "decide to hit go. And so for us, we have"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "to be really open to what asteroid we go"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "to on any given time. We track about 20"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "asteroids for every single day for the"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "next six years that we think are viable"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "targets that we can get out to. That's"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "how we kind of think about this. So,"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "there isn't one specific asteroid at any"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "given time we're going to go to. They're"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "some of my favorites,"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:45", "text": ">> but they may or may not be in the launch"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "window when we actually when we actually"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "take off on the Earth."}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:49", "text": ">> Gotcha. Gotcha. And then as far as I"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "mean, are the are these asteroids these"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "near-ear asteroids are they"}, {"end": "00:54:01", "start": "00:53:55", "text": ">> Sorry, I have no concept of distance in"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "space. So"}, {"end": "00:54:04", "start": "00:54:01", "text": "when you're saying they're orbiting"}, {"end": "00:54:06", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "around the sun, are they closer to the"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:04", "text": "sun than Earth or they farther?"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:06", "text": ">> They are almost the exact same distance"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "as the Earth from the Sun. Now I say"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "almost the exact same because you know"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "we talk about this in astronomical units"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "for distance from the Earth to the Sun,"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:15", "text": ">> which is about 150 million miles. Sure,"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "I got that off a little bit. Um we"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "operate within plus or minus.1 AU. So we"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "operate within plus or - 15 million"}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "miles from Earth. So when you say that"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "if you were to look at the picture of"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "the universe, they're going to look like"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "they're like in the same orbit as Earth."}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "They're almost indistinguishable from"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "Earth orbit. Most of the ones we're"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "looking at, they are slightly off and"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "that allows them to be at a little bit"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "different, a little bit different"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "orbital speeds and thus go in and out of"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "of accessibility for us."}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:44", "text": ">> Wow. Let's take a quick break. 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We're getting ready to dive into"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "how are you going to how are you"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "actually going to extract metals from"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "the asteroids?"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:33", "text": ">> This is a fun one to talk about, right?"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "So, the trick of an asteroid is when I"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "get there and let's let's use a random"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "number that's pretty simple for"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "everybody to understand. Understanding"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "this is like not not what we're going to"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "run into, but let's say the asteroid is"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "1% platinum group metals."}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": ">> That means it's 99% [\u00a0__\u00a0] that's not"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "worth a lot of money. And so, if I bring"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "it back to Earth, that's just wasted"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "material. So, what I have to develop and"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "what we have developed is essentially a"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "machine that can turn 1% platinum group"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "metals into a much higher percentage of"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "platinum group metals. So what I'm"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "returning is worth a lot. You may have"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "seen actually there was a pretty famous"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "article that came out I think about 3"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "years ago right now and it said there's"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "a hundred quadrillion million whatever"}, {"end": "00:59:15", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "bajillion dollar asteroid out there in"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "the world. It was referring to that"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:15", "text": "asteroid psyche 16 that I talk about"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "saying it. And the fallacy with that"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "article is it was just calculating the"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "iron content on ash on on psyche. Like"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "you could put that same number on top of"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "Mars. It actually doesn't mean anything."}, {"end": "00:59:33", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "It's not economical to bring back. I'm"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "not trying to mine iron. Like iron is"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:33", "text": "essentially free on the planet, right?"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "The cost of iron is actually just the"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "processing cost of it. There's there's"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "plenty of ore everywhere. There's plenty"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "of nickel everywhere. The thing we want"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "to bring back is platinum. So the way we"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "do it is first off,"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "we have to land on an asteroid."}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "Now, the trick to landing on an asteroid"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "for us is these are primarily iron,"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "right? They're mtype asteroids are iron"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "nickel asteroids, which means they"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "should be magnetic. So the way we land"}, {"end": "01:00:02", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "on it is or I should say more dock with"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "it. I mean, try to imagine this, Sean,"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:02", "text": "is at the biggest size, these are 400"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "meters in diameter, which in relative"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "terms means they're tiny as [\u00a0__\u00a0] in"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "space. Like, there's really no gravity"}, {"end": "01:00:13", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "here. You're not landing. You're not We"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "can't even really go into orbit around"}, {"end": "01:00:16", "start": "01:00:13", "text": "these asteroids. We almost dock with"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "them like you would dock with the"}, {"end": "01:00:19", "start": "01:00:16", "text": "International Space Station. And we use"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "magnets to stick to them. That's how we"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:19", "text": "attach ourselves to the asteroids. Um, I"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "have there's been a there's there's a"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "ISA mission that did a really"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "complicated way to try to grapple onto"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "an asteroid with these hooks and it was"}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "pretty cool and they spent a lot of"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "money I think about a billion dollars"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "trying to figure it out and it kind of"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "worked. I mean, they were able to do it"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "but it was a little bit fraught with"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "air. I don't think as a startup I have"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "any other way to land on an asteroid"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "other than to magnetically attach to it."}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "landing on a piece of dirt or a rubble"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "pile in space that is really small like"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "this is is next to impossible or I'm"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:47", "text": "just not smart enough to figure it out"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "for for the for the capital we have. So"}, {"end": "01:00:55", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "we land on it and then"}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:54", "text": ">> how close do you have to get to it to"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:55", "text": "for the magnets to"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:58", "text": ">> pretty close. I mean we have to touch"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "the surface, right? We got to touch it."}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "So we'll essentially crash into it at"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "about 1 m a second. That's the upper"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "limit of velocity we'll have when we"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "intercept the asteroid. So, if you think"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "about it, that's that's not slow,"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "especially when you think about space"}, {"end": "01:01:16", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "hardware and how slow we usually go on"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "space stuff, but it's not fast. It's a"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:16", "text": "pretty low impact that we hit the"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "asteroid with to attach to it. That's"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "what we build the system for."}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "And then what we do is we use a laser"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "system. So, we use a laser system to"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "essentially start drilling into the"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "asteroid. We remove the material. So,"}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "we're removing iron, nickel, and"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "platinum group metals. And then using"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "that same philosophy that iron is"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "magnetic and the platinum group metals"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "are not, we essentially use magnets to"}, {"end": "01:01:44", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "reject the iron and we keep the platinum"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "group metals inside the spacecraft. It's"}, {"end": "01:01:47", "start": "01:01:44", "text": "pretty simple approach to do it. Now"}, {"end": "01:01:49", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "keep in mind I'm 10 million miles away"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:47", "text": "and I'm a startup. If I start coming out"}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:49", "text": "here with we got robot arms and we got"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "conveyor belts and like it's just not"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "going to happen. I mean if you look at"}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "any spacecraft they're hard enough to"}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "fly when [\u00a0__\u00a0] isn't moving. And then"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:57", "text": "when you start to add meatronics to it"}, {"end": "01:02:02", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "like they're next to impossible, right?"}, {"end": "01:02:04", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "I mean, look at the arm that we"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:02", "text": "developed that that not we actually"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:04", "text": "Canada did MDA on the on the space"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "shuttle. Like that was a a huge"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "undertaking to get two actuators to work"}, {"end": "01:02:13", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "correctly. Like it's really hard to do"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "that in space. So, we just can't do it."}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:13", "text": "I I don't want to have the team keeping"}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "it simple is part of one of is one of"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "the biggest philosophies we have at the"}, {"end": "01:02:23", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "company. And so, we'll store that and"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:21", "text": "then we just essentially launch the"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:23", "text": "spacecraft back at Earth. There's"}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "nothing special here. we crash into the"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "atmosphere, use a heat shield to burn"}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "off kinetic energy and recover the"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "material. In fact, the really cool thing"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "about a spacecraft that's just mining"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "and doesn't do any scientific"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:35", "text": "exploration is I don't have to have all"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "these weird constraints. It doesn't have"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "to land nicely, right? It doesn't have"}, {"end": "01:02:43", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "to have nice parachutes that come out to"}, {"end": "01:02:45", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "slow you down really slow so I don't"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:43", "text": "like hurt my precious cargo. In fact, I"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:45", "text": "don't think we're going to use"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "parachutes. We're probably going to use"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "is if you remember when you were a kid"}, {"end": "01:02:52", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "and you would launch little model"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "rockets and then have streamers."}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:52", "text": ">> Mhm. probably just going to use a"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "streamer uh to slow it down enough so"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "that when it impacts the ground, the"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "metal is recoverable. And like being"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "able to remove those constraints of of"}, {"end": "01:03:05", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "scientific instrumentation and value"}, {"end": "01:03:08", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "collection from it really opens up the"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:05", "text": "envelope here. Wow. One thing that's a"}, {"end": "01:03:13", "start": "01:03:08", "text": "little bit crazy that I don't think a"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "lot of people realize, you may not as"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:13", "text": "well, is we've already mined asteroids"}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "before."}, {"end": "01:03:21", "start": "01:03:15", "text": ">> We have like the Japanese JAXA has done"}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "this twice and NASA has done it once. So"}, {"end": "01:03:26", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "the Japanese did it with a mission"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "called Hayabusa 1 and Hayabusa 2. Um"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:26", "text": "they both went out to asteroids, took"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "samples from them and brought it back to"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "Earth. And Osavish Rex went out to an"}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "asteroid called Bennu, which is how we"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "really found out about these rumble"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:33", "text": "piles, right? Bennu was a really cool"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "asteroid. I think it was about a"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "kilometer and a half in size. And uh it"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "was just a whole bunch of essentially"}, {"end": "01:03:44", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "little particles stuck together with"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "static electricity. And so if you ever"}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:44", "text": "watch the landing of Osiris Rex or"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "landing, I call it landing cuz they"}, {"end": "01:03:53", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "didn't really land. just like sunk into"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "the surface and then this is where NASA"}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:53", "text": "does extremely good job and I don't"}, {"end": "01:03:57", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "think anybody else can do it to this"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "level. They thought it was [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:04:00", "start": "01:03:57", "text": "solid. They go to land and they start"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "sinking into the surface but they had"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:04:00", "text": "thought through this and had a theory"}, {"end": "01:04:04", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "that maybe it wasn't solid. What could"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "we do? And were actually able to like"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:04", "text": "not just destroy the spacecraft by going"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "into some random dirt. They they backed"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "up. They rewent around it. They re"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "rethought about it and we're able to"}, {"end": "01:04:15", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "still grab a sample and complete the"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "mission. Cyrus Rex returned a sample"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:15", "text": "about a year ago now. Uh that came back"}, {"end": "01:04:23", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "in a small capsule to to be recovered. I"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "think we recently we recently opened it"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:23", "text": "up. It was really difficult for for us"}, {"end": "01:04:29", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "to open for some reason. Um but so we"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "understand the physics to all this."}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:29", "text": "There isn't some like physics barrier we"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "have to get past to mine an asteroid."}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "This is simply can we do it cheaper and"}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "economically to make it work. No"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "kidding. Wow."}, {"end": "01:04:43", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "01:04:45", "start": "01:04:41", "text": "how does the"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:43", "text": "satellite actually get the metals inside"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:45", "text": "of it? I mean, I I get the the magnetism"}, {"end": "01:04:53", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "and pushing the iron and all the other"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] away. We Does it have like an arm"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:53", "text": "that comes out to"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:54", "text": ">> No. In fact, the metal and the way we do"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "it with ring magnets is the the platinum"}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "group metals flow up through the middle"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "of the spacecraft and essentially are"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "trapped in a very small myar bag. This"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "isn't a lot of volume to bring back,"}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "right? If you think about it, platinum"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "group metals are some of the most"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "densest elements on Earth. It's a third"}, {"end": "01:05:14", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "of a meter cubed."}, {"end": "01:05:16", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "It's not a big amount of material. So,"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:14", "text": ">> did you say it's a,000 kg?"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:16", "text": ">> 1,000 kg is a third of a meter cubed of"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "PGMs. It's not a It's not a lot of"}, {"end": "01:05:22", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "volume."}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:21", "text": ">> It's pretty small."}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:22", "text": ">> The shit's really dense. That's why it's"}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "worth a lot of money, right? It's like"}, {"end": "01:05:28", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "it's a very dense element that we're"}, {"end": "01:05:30", "start": "01:05:26", "text": "going after these six elements. So, it"}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:28", "text": "kind of works out perfectly to be the"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:30", "text": "first one we bring back. And then"}, {"end": "01:05:35", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "obviously Sean, as we look at like"}, {"end": "01:05:37", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "platinum is where we're starting. As"}, {"end": "01:05:39", "start": "01:05:35", "text": "prices change, as we're able to lower"}, {"end": "01:05:41", "start": "01:05:37", "text": "spacecraft, as we start thinking about"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:39", "text": "things like, hey, we launch one at a"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:41", "text": "time right now. What if we bought an"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "entire Falcon 9? We could fit about 20"}, {"end": "01:05:48", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "spacecraft on it. What if we bought an"}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "entire Starship? We could fit I don't"}, {"end": "01:05:51", "start": "01:05:48", "text": "know how many, but I'm sure it's a"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "shitload of spacecraft on it, right? And"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:51", "text": "like as these technologies advance and"}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "and we get lower cost into space, uh we"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "can do a lot more for cheaper. And then"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:58", "text": "other metals start to meet that price"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "threshold, right? You have indium, you"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "have"}, {"end": "01:06:04", "start": "01:06:02", "text": ">> indium."}, {"end": "01:06:06", "start": "01:06:03", "text": ">> Indium is an element that's in pretty"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:04", "text": "high concentration on these metal"}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:06", "text": "asteroids. We have quite a few of the"}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "rare earth elements on these on these"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "metal asteroids. Um, you can look at"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:11", "text": "nickel, you can look at iron, you can"}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "look at cobalt, right? You can look at"}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "these different elements and see when do"}, {"end": "01:06:19", "start": "01:06:15", "text": "they hit the price threshold where it"}, {"end": "01:06:21", "start": "01:06:16", "text": "makes sense to actually bring them back."}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "Obviously, if our economy keeps"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:21", "text": "expanding at that 3% per year as world"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "GDP, like as I mentioned, we're going to"}, {"end": "01:06:29", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "have to push out. We're going to use"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "everything here and those prices will"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:29", "text": "continue to fall and this will continue"}, {"end": "01:06:33", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "to be more economically viable as we go"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "into the future."}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:33", "text": ">> What do we use indium for?"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:34", "text": ">> I have no idea."}, {"end": "01:06:39", "start": "01:06:36", "text": ">> Literally have no idea what we use"}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "indium for. Um I study it from an"}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:39", "text": "economic value proposition, not from a"}, {"end": "01:06:44", "start": "01:06:41", "text": "scientific one."}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:42", "text": ">> Any gold, silver?"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:44", "text": ">> So gold is uh this is gold is in higher"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "concentrations on asteroids than it is"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "in your backyard. They're not high"}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "enough for me to mine. Gold on Earth"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "forms because of water. This is I should"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "say high concentrations of gold form."}, {"end": "01:07:01", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "Gold doesn't form. High concentrations"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "of gold deposits form in the presence of"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:07:01", "text": "water. This is why you see it in veins."}, {"end": "01:07:05", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "And this is why when you think of gold"}, {"end": "01:07:07", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "mining, you think of like panning for"}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:05", "text": "gold on a river because that's where all"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:07", "text": "the [\u00a0__\u00a0] is. Um it's not really"}, {"end": "01:07:12", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "economically viable. We would have to"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "remove too much material from the"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:12", "text": "asteroid to get enough gold to make the"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "return trip back right now."}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:16", "text": ">> Gotcha. Gotcha."}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "I mean, how"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "How many how many satellites do you"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "think eventually you'll have up there?"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:30", "text": ">> The best way that I think of so"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "this is a question that has a little bit"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "bigger meaning which is you know kind of"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "funny to me about I think a lot of"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "founders is I don't spend a lot of time"}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "thinking about like this grand future of"}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "how many satellites I'm going to set up"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "or what this is going to look like. I"}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "pretty much spend every waking moment"}, {"end": "01:07:49", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "making sure we're not [\u00a0__\u00a0] up the"}, {"end": "01:07:51", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "next mission and the mission after that"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:49", "text": "and that's about it. Sean, but there's a"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:51", "text": "really easy abstraction here, which is"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "we can fit about 20 of our spacecraft in"}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "that 200 kg size point on a Falcon 9 and"}, {"end": "01:08:03", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "go to the moon, right? And do one of"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "these TLI launches. And so I do see us"}, {"end": "01:08:07", "start": "01:08:03", "text": "in the near future, probably in the"}, {"end": "01:08:09", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "early 2030s, trying to launch 20 at a"}, {"end": "01:08:11", "start": "01:08:07", "text": "time. Uh, and if we do that, we can"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:09", "text": "launch probably once a quarter with the"}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:11", "text": "volume we see to manufacture on on the"}, {"end": "01:08:17", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "satellite buses. So we'll be somewhere"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "in the range of about a 100red per year"}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:17", "text": "that we would launch. That would"}, {"end": "01:08:22", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "probably be the max we do for the"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "platinum group metals because after that"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:22", "text": "when you're at that throughput then you"}, {"end": "01:08:27", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "start to affect the elasticity of the"}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "metal, right? And that's when we start"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:27", "text": "talking about the supply and demand"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "curves getting out of whack. So I'm kind"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "of upper limited to about a 100 platinum"}, {"end": "01:08:36", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "group metal spacecraft per year."}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:35", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:36", "text": ">> just about $6 billion."}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:38", "text": ">> Still still pretty I think pretty good"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "return on investment, right?"}, {"end": "01:08:48", "start": "01:08:42", "text": ">> Sounds pretty good to me. But I mean, so"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "and if you're So if you're targeting"}, {"end": "01:08:55", "start": "01:08:48", "text": "asteroids, it take 2 years or less to"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "get to. So you're looking at about"}, {"end": "01:08:59", "start": "01:08:55", "text": "roughly four years. Correct."}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:57", "text": ">> No, no, two years or less. Round trip."}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:59", "text": ">> Round trip."}, {"end": "01:09:03", "start": "01:09:00", "text": ">> Two years or less round trip. All the"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "asteroids we keep on the board, 9 months"}, {"end": "01:09:06", "start": "01:09:03", "text": "or less to get to, 3 months to mine"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "them, and a year to come back. It's"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "always a little bit longer to come back"}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "cuz we're heavier and we leave slowly."}, {"end": "01:09:12", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "Um, so yeah, two years round trip is"}, {"end": "01:09:14", "start": "01:09:11", "text": "what we look at. That's what we cap it"}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:12", "text": "at. Why do you why do you think it take"}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:14", "text": "why three months? Why does it take three"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:16", "text": "months?"}, {"end": "01:09:19", "start": "01:09:16", "text": ">> That is what so anytime you're going to"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "build a system like this, I got to give"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:19", "text": "the team constraints,"}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:21", "text": ">> right? I got to say like it's really"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "easy when we're talking about a"}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:24", "text": "laserbased mining system. It's a linear"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "trade between time and power."}, {"end": "01:09:33", "start": "01:09:28", "text": ">> So when I say we have 3 kows on the"}, {"end": "01:09:34", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "spacecraft and we have 3 months, you now"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:33", "text": "know how much material you have to"}, {"end": "01:09:37", "start": "01:09:34", "text": "remove. It's really easy to say, \"Oh, we"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "have three kil we have 3 kilowatts.\""}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:37", "text": "Well, I could use known techniques that"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "work really well and just sit there for"}, {"end": "01:09:43", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "10 years. But then I got to build a"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "spacecraft that can last in space for 10"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:43", "text": "plus years. That's actually really hard"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "to do. So I've given the team the"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "constraint of 3 kow 3 months. It's a"}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "pretty arbitrary constraint. I'm not"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "going to not going to say like there's a"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "whole bunch of science that goes into"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "it. What there is science that goes into"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "is the 2 years or less. And that has to"}, {"end": "01:10:01", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "do with radiation tolerance of the"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "spacecraft, right? The electronics on"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:10:01", "text": "board can only handle so much radiation"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "before they will start to fail at high"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "rates. And that high rate failure in our"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:07", "text": "spacecraft will start to happen around"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "the 3-ear mark with what we use today."}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "So, I want to make sure in two years"}, {"end": "01:10:14", "start": "01:10:11", "text": "we're back on Earth and safe and then"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "all the components can fail once we're"}, {"end": "01:10:16", "start": "01:10:14", "text": "back on the ground."}, {"end": "01:10:17", "start": "01:10:15", "text": ">> Right on. Will you be able to reuse"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:16", "text": "these or rebuild them?"}, {"end": "01:10:21", "start": "01:10:17", "text": ">> Absolutely not. I No, we have no plans"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "to reuse them. Okay."}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:21", "text": ">> Um I mean, we're going to [\u00a0__\u00a0] crash"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "land them, right? Like, keeping them"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "light, keeping them cheap is pretty"}, {"end": "01:10:30", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "important to us at this point in time."}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "And the economic use case for satellites"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:30", "text": "at that scale that can be reusable is"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "extremely difficult to make work, I"}, {"end": "01:10:37", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "think, if not impossible. I think when"}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "you start looking at Starship level"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:37", "text": "reusability and these kind of massive"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "structures, sure you can talk about"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "massive reusability when you're you're"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "putting a lot of capex into one of these"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "projects. The reality is, man, I'm not"}, {"end": "01:10:53", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "Elon Musk. I don't have, you know, $50"}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:51", "text": "billion behind me I can just dump into"}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:53", "text": "one of these. I have to think really"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "economical at the beginning. And like"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:56", "text": "part of this is having the economic"}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "constraint as well. If we had unlimited"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "money, we know how to mine an asteroid."}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "It's called Osiris Rex. It cost $1.2 $2"}, {"end": "01:11:08", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "billion."}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:06", "text": "You know, it's really easy to iterate to"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:08", "text": "that works, that's a solution. It's not"}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "an economical business though. We have"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "to think cheap, we have to think light,"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:13", "text": "and we have to make those trades all the"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "time of like cost is in every trade"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "study we do. And it's not a common thing"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "for engineers to see. Most engineers are"}, {"end": "01:11:23", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "like, \"Oh, you know what? What's what's"}, {"end": "01:11:25", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "the feature? What's the requirement? How"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:23", "text": "much do I get out of this?\" But like"}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:25", "text": "cost is the a big part of what we look"}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "at on every spacecraft build we do."}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:28", "text": ">> Mhm. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "Who who all is interested in in what"}, {"end": "01:11:39", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "you're doing?"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:37", "text": ">> I think there's a Well, I'll put in"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:39", "text": "three categories."}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:40", "text": ">> Who's going to benefit? I mean, who who"}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "will you sell the metal to? That kind of"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:44", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "01:11:48", "start": "01:11:44", "text": ">> Yeah. So, the metal we're going after a"}, {"end": "01:11:50", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "commodity. So, the nice part is it's"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:48", "text": "like we have about $8 billion in in"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:50", "text": "offtake agreements right now. And"}, {"end": "01:11:55", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "they're kind of comical because it says"}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "like if you bring me $8 billion in"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:55", "text": "platinum, I will buy it from you. Like"}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "it's really easy to sell this into the"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "commodity market that will then be used."}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "So who's going to benefit from it?"}, {"end": "01:12:09", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "Tesla, Boeing,"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:07", "text": "Nvidia, like every company that now has"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:09", "text": "access to a US source base of platinum"}, {"end": "01:12:16", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "group metals. I should make one thing"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "really clear. We have one platinum group"}, {"end": "01:12:19", "start": "01:12:16", "text": "metal mine in the United States. It's in"}, {"end": "01:12:22", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "Montana. It's called Spain Still Water"}, {"end": "01:12:24", "start": "01:12:19", "text": "and it's recently been shut down. So as"}, {"end": "01:12:26", "start": "01:12:22", "text": "of today, none of the platinum we have"}, {"end": "01:12:28", "start": "01:12:24", "text": "comes from the US. Now, some of it is"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:26", "text": "recycled here, but none of the new input"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:28", "text": "comes from the US. We talk a lot about"}, {"end": "01:12:33", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "the rare earth elements, and you"}, {"end": "01:12:35", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "probably see this in the news all the"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:33", "text": "time, like Trump's signing all these"}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:35", "text": "executive orders, and MP material has"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "got this huge investment, and"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "the rare earth metals are a fraction of"}, {"end": "01:12:44", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "the market cap of the platinum group"}, {"end": "01:12:46", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "metals."}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:44", "text": "And we have a lot of rare earth metal"}, {"end": "01:12:50", "start": "01:12:46", "text": "ore in the United States. The processing"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "of the rare earth metals is very"}, {"end": "01:12:54", "start": "01:12:50", "text": "difficult."}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "We don't have a lot of platinum group"}, {"end": "01:12:58", "start": "01:12:54", "text": "metals in the United States. As we"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "expand platinum group metals, if we"}, {"end": "01:13:01", "start": "01:12:58", "text": "continuously use it at the way we use in"}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:59", "text": "the United States, we'll run out of it"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:01", "text": "by by 2035."}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "Now, the reality is the globalization on"}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "the world, that's not how it works. And"}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "we come up with these deals and you"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "know, half of this is like us posturing"}, {"end": "01:13:13", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "to other countries. And we've even seen"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "this with rare earth, right? I mean, if"}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:13", "text": "you follow the news, it's like every"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "other day China is giving us rare earths"}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "or they're not. I can't really keep"}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "track. And we keep negotiating back and"}, {"end": "01:13:24", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "forth. It's like this is how economies"}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "work and this is actually a really"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:24", "text": "beneficial way for economies to work."}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "The next wave of this will be in"}, {"end": "01:13:31", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "platinum group metals. It is probably"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "one of the most dangerous things that I"}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:31", "text": "foresee that we're coming up against"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "because it's one of the critical"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "building blocks to what we do and United"}, {"end": "01:13:41", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "States doesn't have any."}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:38", "text": ">> So if you do this I mean how many other"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:41", "text": "platinum mines are there in the world?"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "Is there a ton of them or is there not"}, {"end": "01:13:46", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "very many?"}, {"end": "01:13:47", "start": "01:13:44", "text": ">> There's a whole plethora of them in"}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:46", "text": "South Africa."}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:47", "text": ">> There's quite a bit in Russia. China has"}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:49", "text": "a couple. I don't know the exact number"}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "though but I there's quite a few of"}, {"end": "01:13:57", "start": "01:13:53", "text": "them."}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:53", "text": ">> Will so if you're successful in this"}, {"end": "01:14:01", "start": "01:13:57", "text": "will US become the leader in platinum?"}, {"end": "01:14:05", "start": "01:14:00", "text": ">> US will become dominant platinum? In"}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:01", "text": "fact, I'm going to say this differently."}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:05", "text": "3% of global carbon emissions are caused"}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "by platinum group metal mining alone"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "because it's so deep, right? Because"}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "it's so deep. It's so hard to access. It"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "requires so much to get it out. What if"}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "I told you a story of the future where"}, {"end": "01:14:22", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "we provide it from space at a fraction"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "of the carbon cost to the point where"}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:22", "text": "platinum group metal mining on the"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "planet becomes banned? That's what I"}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "think the future holds for mining,"}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "especially on these critical elements."}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "It's like as soon as we can show that"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "there's an economically feasible,"}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "reliable way to secure minerals from"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "space, earthbased mining becomes"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "regulated out of existence."}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "And so what Astroforge can become one"}, {"end": "01:14:45", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "day is one of the first regulated"}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "monopolies, right? We can dominate the"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:45", "text": "mineral supply chain and also have laws"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "in place where nobody else can dominate"}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "it. That's how I become the alien"}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "emperor."}, {"end": "01:14:57", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "01:15:00", "start": "01:14:55", "text": ">> What kind I mean speaking of red tape"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:57", "text": "and what kind of what kind of red tape"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:15:00", "text": "are you dealing with? Is the government"}, {"end": "01:15:05", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "involved? So"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:03", "text": ">> are they Thank God."}, {"end": "01:15:09", "start": "01:15:05", "text": ">> There was a company called Planetary"}, {"end": "01:15:10", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "Resources because with Ted Cruz they"}, {"end": "01:15:13", "start": "01:15:09", "text": "teamed up to pass the 2015 commercial"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:10", "text": "space act agreement. I actually don't"}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:13", "text": "think that's what it's called. So space"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "agreement something like this whatever"}, {"end": "01:15:21", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "2015 some space [\u00a0__\u00a0] was passed and what"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "that says clear as day is commercial"}, {"end": "01:15:24", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "companies in the United States can mine"}, {"end": "01:15:27", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "asteroids and sell the materials for"}, {"end": "01:15:29", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "money clear as day. So from a regulatory"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:27", "text": "perspective we don't have a concern in"}, {"end": "01:15:36", "start": "01:15:29", "text": "the United States. Now we do have the"}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "1967 outer space treaty that the UN made"}, {"end": "01:15:41", "start": "01:15:36", "text": "and it has some lines about anything"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "that's done in space must benefit all of"}, {"end": "01:15:44", "start": "01:15:41", "text": "humanity. So, one of the common"}, {"end": "01:15:47", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "questions I get asked whenever I talk to"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:44", "text": "any reporter that lives in Europe is how"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:47", "text": "I'm going to share the wealth with the"}, {"end": "01:15:53", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "whole world. And I'll say on your"}, {"end": "01:15:54", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "podcast, my honest answer is I'm [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:15:55", "start": "01:15:53", "text": "not."}, {"end": "01:15:56", "start": "01:15:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "01:15:58", "start": "01:15:55", "text": "Love it."}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:56", "text": ">> I mean, like I I I don't understand this"}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:15:58", "text": "logic. So, you know, it's it's this kind"}, {"end": "01:16:07", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "of man, it's a trap that that we love to"}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "fall into is this like, oh, if you're"}, {"end": "01:16:09", "start": "01:16:07", "text": "successful, we want to benefit, but if"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "you're not successful, we're not willing"}, {"end": "01:16:13", "start": "01:16:09", "text": "to take the risk. And so what I'll say"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "is like, hey France, if you want to"}, {"end": "01:16:16", "start": "01:16:13", "text": "invest in Astroforge now, you can"}, {"end": "01:16:18", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "benefit from it. But you don't get to"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:16", "text": "say at the end of the day once we're"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:18", "text": "successful that, oh, we knew all along"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "and now you need to share the wealth."}, {"end": "01:16:25", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "Absolutely not. I do not think that is"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "the best way for advancement of humans."}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:25", "text": "Incentive alignment is a is a big deal"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "in everything you do, right? And if"}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:30", "text": "you're not going to align incentives,"}, {"end": "01:16:35", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "then I'm not interested in talking to"}, {"end": "01:16:37", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "you. And like I think the world needs to"}, {"end": "01:16:40", "start": "01:16:35", "text": "take a take a look at this. You know,"}, {"end": "01:16:42", "start": "01:16:37", "text": "over the last 50 years, capitalism has"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:40", "text": "greatly improved the standard of living"}, {"end": "01:16:46", "start": "01:16:42", "text": "to I was thinking about this on on a"}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "plane flight over here, Sean. Even"}, {"end": "01:16:51", "start": "01:16:46", "text": "though I'm in a plane and I'm at, you"}, {"end": "01:16:53", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "know, 40,000 ft or whatever in this"}, {"end": "01:16:54", "start": "01:16:51", "text": "little tiny seat like this, like my"}, {"end": "01:16:56", "start": "01:16:53", "text": "standard of living is still probably"}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:54", "text": "higher than like a king in the 1600s."}, {"end": "01:17:00", "start": "01:16:56", "text": "Not from a volume perspective, but like"}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "I could have hot water, I could have"}, {"end": "01:17:03", "start": "01:17:00", "text": "cold water, I can use the bathroom and"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "like it flushes and there not some dude"}, {"end": "01:17:07", "start": "01:17:03", "text": "at the bottom like scrubbing it. We have"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "toilet paper. like we have advanced so"}, {"end": "01:17:11", "start": "01:17:07", "text": "much as a human species and it's"}, {"end": "01:17:12", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "exponentially increasing"}, {"end": "01:17:14", "start": "01:17:11", "text": "and that's because of the way we govern"}, {"end": "01:17:16", "start": "01:17:12", "text": "ourselves and we've progressed into the"}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:14", "text": "future. Capitalism is the dominant force"}, {"end": "01:17:21", "start": "01:17:16", "text": "behind that and I want to see that"}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "continue into the future."}, {"end": "01:17:24", "start": "01:17:21", "text": ">> I mean as far as spreading the wealth, I"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "mean it's it's going to happen, right?"}, {"end": "01:17:30", "start": "01:17:24", "text": "If you sell if if Nvidia"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "takes a bunch of platinum then that's up"}, {"end": "01:17:33", "start": "01:17:30", "text": "any more computer chips. So there you"}, {"end": "01:17:36", "start": "01:17:32", "text": "go. Let's think about leveling up"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:33", "text": "humanity, not leveling up individuals,"}, {"end": "01:17:39", "start": "01:17:36", "text": "right? And I think as soon as you look"}, {"end": "01:17:41", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "at this from a greed perspective, like,"}, {"end": "01:17:42", "start": "01:17:39", "text": "you know, France or another, I'm blaming"}, {"end": "01:17:45", "start": "01:17:41", "text": "this all on France. I don't even know"}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:42", "text": "why. Um, but another country coming in"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:45", "text": "and saying like, we want our fair share,"}, {"end": "01:17:50", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "like it's not how it works, but let me"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "hope that I can help level up the entire"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:50", "text": "world so our standard of living is even"}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "higher than it is today. Like that's the"}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "goal."}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:55", "text": ">> Is the is the administration excited"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:58", "text": "about this? I mean is do you have any"}, {"end": "01:18:04", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "talks within government?"}, {"end": "01:18:06", "start": "01:18:03", "text": ">> No, you know we haven't. So I've had a"}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:04", "text": "very different approach to government"}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:06", "text": "than a lot of people that I think you"}, {"end": "01:18:12", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "see in space. Space has always started"}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "with and you'll hear this all the time."}, {"end": "01:18:15", "start": "01:18:12", "text": "You want to have a space company like"}, {"end": "01:18:17", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "you start with the government and then"}, {"end": "01:18:20", "start": "01:18:15", "text": "you go pretend you have a commercial use"}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:17", "text": "case. And we've invented some cool words"}, {"end": "01:18:23", "start": "01:18:20", "text": "that have even got into the regulatory"}, {"end": "01:18:26", "start": "01:18:21", "text": "bodies called like dual use"}, {"end": "01:18:29", "start": "01:18:23", "text": "technologies, right? Um, I have a very"}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:26", "text": "different view on this, which is I don't"}, {"end": "01:18:33", "start": "01:18:29", "text": "really believe any of it. You know"}, {"end": "01:18:35", "start": "01:18:30", "text": "what's a great dual-use technology? Like"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:33", "text": "a Mac laptop. It's really the only thing"}, {"end": "01:18:40", "start": "01:18:35", "text": "I think the government buys and"}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "commercial customers buy. But, you know,"}, {"end": "01:18:44", "start": "01:18:40", "text": "about a year ago, I talked to a cruise"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "missile company and they told me they"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:44", "text": "were dual use."}, {"end": "01:18:49", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "The [\u00a0__\u00a0] is your commercial use? What?"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "Can I buy a cruise missile? Like, I"}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:49", "text": "mean, that'd be pretty legit, right? But"}, {"end": "01:18:53", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "I don't think this makes any sense. And"}, {"end": "01:18:56", "start": "01:18:52", "text": "I think a lot of in space we get trapped"}, {"end": "01:18:58", "start": "01:18:53", "text": "in this thing of like we build geo"}, {"end": "01:18:59", "start": "01:18:56", "text": "satellites for the US government but"}, {"end": "01:19:02", "start": "01:18:58", "text": "we're dual use cuz a commercial is going"}, {"end": "01:19:04", "start": "01:18:59", "text": "to want them."}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:19:02", "text": "I find that hard to believe and hard to"}, {"end": "01:19:07", "start": "01:19:04", "text": "see and you'll see a couple examples"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:05", "text": "here but it's pretty rare that"}, {"end": "01:19:10", "start": "01:19:07", "text": "commercial actually takes a bite at"}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:08", "text": "these at any kind of level that makes a"}, {"end": "01:19:15", "start": "01:19:10", "text": "commercial viable use case."}, {"end": "01:19:17", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "I wanted astroforge to be a commercial"}, {"end": "01:19:18", "start": "01:19:15", "text": "space company. And so we did not start"}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:17", "text": "off with the government. We started off"}, {"end": "01:19:22", "start": "01:19:18", "text": "with the mining industry. What do I do"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:20", "text": "with this material? who can I bring it"}, {"end": "01:19:26", "start": "01:19:22", "text": "to? How can I underwrite this company"}, {"end": "01:19:28", "start": "01:19:24", "text": "differently? Right? Can I get investors"}, {"end": "01:19:30", "start": "01:19:26", "text": "to believe in the mission of trying to"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:28", "text": "upend all earth mining? That being said,"}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:30", "text": "at this point, we have now gone the"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "other way with dual use, which has said,"}, {"end": "01:19:39", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "cool, now that we are developing a"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "lowcost, really cheap spacecraft that"}, {"end": "01:19:43", "start": "01:19:39", "text": "can access the cosmos, can we start to"}, {"end": "01:19:46", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "work with the government on it as a way"}, {"end": "01:19:47", "start": "01:19:43", "text": "where this is viable? I'm not interested"}, {"end": "01:19:49", "start": "01:19:46", "text": "in things that are not directly"}, {"end": "01:19:51", "start": "01:19:47", "text": "applicable to what we're doing in our"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:49", "text": "space mission. If you want to go send a"}, {"end": "01:19:54", "start": "01:19:51", "text": "satellite bus to lower Earth orbit,"}, {"end": "01:19:55", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "there was a lot of companies doing that."}, {"end": "01:19:57", "start": "01:19:54", "text": "Please go talk to them. Don't [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:19:59", "start": "01:19:55", "text": "talk to me. I'm not interested. Right? I"}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:57", "text": "guess the honest truth because that"}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:59", "text": "kills the dream of the company. It kills"}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:20:00", "text": "the dream of what we're doing. And I'm"}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "also just not interested in lower Earth"}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:03", "text": "orbit. Like I said, the space shuttle"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "kind of like ruined my childhood. I"}, {"end": "01:20:09", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "don't want to continuously ruin my"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "childhood because there's a great"}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:09", "text": "economic use case in lower Earth orbit"}, {"end": "01:20:14", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "potentially. It's not important. What's"}, {"end": "01:20:16", "start": "01:20:13", "text": "important is we have a mission to go"}, {"end": "01:20:18", "start": "01:20:14", "text": "mine go mine the cosmos. And if we can"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:16", "text": "help the government along that way, I'm"}, {"end": "01:20:21", "start": "01:20:18", "text": "all for it. And so those are the"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "conversations we started to have"}, {"end": "01:20:25", "start": "01:20:21", "text": "especially around the moon around you"}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "know this keyword of like space domain"}, {"end": "01:20:29", "start": "01:20:25", "text": "awareness around lunar uh and as we go"}, {"end": "01:20:31", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "out further"}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:29", "text": "and also"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:31", "text": "we have probably one of the most"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "advanced detection algorithms for how we"}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "see things in space cuz keep in mind we"}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "got to find these asteroids on our"}, {"end": "01:20:42", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "spacecraft like we know in the general"}, {"end": "01:20:45", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "realm of where they are but usually"}, {"end": "01:20:46", "start": "01:20:42", "text": "we're off by plus or minus 2 to 3,000 km"}, {"end": "01:20:48", "start": "01:20:45", "text": "so we have to be able to find it in"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:46", "text": "these boxes those detection algorith"}, {"end": "01:20:52", "start": "01:20:48", "text": "work really well for other things you"}, {"end": "01:20:54", "start": "01:20:50", "text": "can imagine. And so those are the type"}, {"end": "01:20:55", "start": "01:20:52", "text": "of areas we started to branch off into"}, {"end": "01:20:57", "start": "01:20:54", "text": "with the government."}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:55", "text": ">> Do you think I mean you know and I don't"}, {"end": "01:21:01", "start": "01:20:57", "text": "know how real this is. I don't really"}, {"end": "01:21:03", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "believe much I see on any news outlets"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:21:01", "text": "but you know you always you always see"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:03", "text": "these things pop up every once in a"}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "while that's oh this asteroid is going"}, {"end": "01:21:10", "start": "01:21:06", "text": "to be you know x amount of miles when it"}, {"end": "01:21:12", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "passes the earth. It's the closest"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:10", "text": "encounter we've had. This one's going to"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:12", "text": "hit the earth in I don't know 75 years."}, {"end": "01:21:20", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "Do you think that your company could be"}, {"end": "01:21:23", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "used to I mean where I'm going is I saw"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:20", "text": "the movie Armageddon a long time ago. Do"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:23", "text": "you think you could be used for"}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "something like that to to"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:28", "text": ">> I'm going to save the world. Sean"}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:30", "text": ">> explode an asteroid that's going to"}, {"end": "01:21:36", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "strike the earth."}, {"end": "01:21:38", "start": "01:21:33", "text": ">> Um this is a detailed question but in"}, {"end": "01:21:39", "start": "01:21:36", "text": "essence yes 100%. I mean one of the"}, {"end": "01:21:41", "start": "01:21:38", "text": "things we're talking with the government"}, {"end": "01:21:42", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "about is exactly this planetary defense."}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:41", "text": "You are talking to the government."}, {"end": "01:21:45", "start": "01:21:42", "text": ">> Of course, like I said, I said we just"}, {"end": "01:21:46", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "went the other way, right? We started"}, {"end": "01:21:48", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "with commercial and then we'll shift it"}, {"end": "01:21:50", "start": "01:21:46", "text": "over to use cases in the government. We"}, {"end": "01:21:51", "start": "01:21:48", "text": "didn't go from government to commercial."}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:50", "text": ">> I don't think that approach leads to a"}, {"end": "01:21:55", "start": "01:21:51", "text": "commercially sound company."}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:53", "text": ">> It may lead to a Boeing, right, or a"}, {"end": "01:21:58", "start": "01:21:55", "text": "Rathon, which by the way, I shouldn't"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "say that's a bad thing. You can make a"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:58", "text": "lot of money off that. It's just not in"}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "my interest lane."}, {"end": "01:22:03", "start": "01:22:00", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:22:06", "start": "01:22:02", "text": ">> Planetary defense is a big deal for"}, {"end": "01:22:07", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "sure. And planetary defense is all about"}, {"end": "01:22:09", "start": "01:22:06", "text": "early detection and how we get there."}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:07", "text": "And so, it needs to have multiple"}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:09", "text": "things. It needs to have groundbased"}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "assets that can help detect these like"}, {"end": "01:22:16", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "Reuben. You know, we can find thousands"}, {"end": "01:22:18", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "of of asteroids and determine if any of"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:16", "text": "them are going to detect us. Um, and"}, {"end": "01:22:21", "start": "01:22:18", "text": "then we need to be able to access them"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "quickly. And I think this is where we"}, {"end": "01:22:24", "start": "01:22:21", "text": "come in. A lot of people, a lot of"}, {"end": "01:22:26", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "companies that go build deep spacecraft"}, {"end": "01:22:29", "start": "01:22:24", "text": "like Maxar, which will contract through"}, {"end": "01:22:31", "start": "01:22:26", "text": "JPL to build big buses, will take 5 to"}, {"end": "01:22:32", "start": "01:22:29", "text": "10 years to build a spacecraft, right?"}, {"end": "01:22:34", "start": "01:22:31", "text": "Because they start off very differently."}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:32", "text": "It's a very different thought process."}, {"end": "01:22:38", "start": "01:22:34", "text": "They also require a dedicated launch. We"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "require neither of those, right? we can"}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:38", "text": "build them very quickly and we don't"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "require dedicated launch. We're almost"}, {"end": "01:22:44", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "perfect for this mission as we go out"}, {"end": "01:22:46", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "there. The other thing is you got to do"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:44", "text": "something with the asteroid when you get"}, {"end": "01:22:50", "start": "01:22:46", "text": "there. What did I talk about in a"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:48", "text": "refinery? We essentially reject a large"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:50", "text": "amount of material. Well, when you"}, {"end": "01:22:55", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "reject that, even though it's very"}, {"end": "01:22:58", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "small, when you shoot an iron atom off"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:55", "text": "an asteroid, it imparts a force into the"}, {"end": "01:23:01", "start": "01:22:58", "text": "asteroid to push it one direction. And"}, {"end": "01:23:03", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "so, if we can continue to remove"}, {"end": "01:23:06", "start": "01:23:01", "text": "material and throw it out, you can start"}, {"end": "01:23:08", "start": "01:23:03", "text": "to steer asteroids. Now, I want to be"}, {"end": "01:23:10", "start": "01:23:06", "text": "clear. You can't steer them very much."}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:08", "text": "And this is why it matters how early we"}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:10", "text": "detect it. If we detect an asteroid"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:11", "text": "that's pointed right at Earth and it's 3"}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:13", "text": "months away, start having parties. Like"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "there, we ain't going to do [\u00a0__\u00a0] But if"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "we detect it 10 years in advance and we"}, {"end": "01:23:24", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "can in, you know, put very very small"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "changes in it, we can hopefully steer it"}, {"end": "01:23:27", "start": "01:23:24", "text": "away from the Earth enough to minimize"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "the impact. In a lot of case, you're"}, {"end": "01:23:30", "start": "01:23:27", "text": "talking about impact minimization, not"}, {"end": "01:23:32", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "necessarily going to completely get it"}, {"end": "01:23:34", "start": "01:23:30", "text": "away from the planet. There's an"}, {"end": "01:23:36", "start": "01:23:32", "text": "asteroid called Apotheus. that's getting"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:34", "text": "more and more pressed in the news that's"}, {"end": "01:23:40", "start": "01:23:36", "text": "coming by in 2029 and we believe will"}, {"end": "01:23:42", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "break up when it comes by the earth and"}, {"end": "01:23:45", "start": "01:23:40", "text": "depending on how it breaks up. There may"}, {"end": "01:23:46", "start": "01:23:42", "text": "be some reimpact in I think 2034."}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:45", "text": "Not to scare anybody, these will be"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:46", "text": "relatively small size impacts. We're"}, {"end": "01:23:51", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "really good at predicting them. We can"}, {"end": "01:23:52", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "evacuate cities if they're going to hit"}, {"end": "01:23:55", "start": "01:23:51", "text": "them. They'll probably land in the"}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:52", "text": "oceans though, just on statistics. And"}, {"end": "01:24:01", "start": "01:23:55", "text": "um those kind of missions are are what"}, {"end": "01:24:03", "start": "01:23:58", "text": "were kind of set out and purpose-built"}, {"end": "01:24:05", "start": "01:24:01", "text": "for. How long did it take for those"}, {"end": "01:24:07", "start": "01:24:03", "text": "discussions to start"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:05", "text": ">> with planetary defense?"}, {"end": "01:24:11", "start": "01:24:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:10", "text": ">> Who brought it up? Was it you?"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:11", "text": ">> No, actually Planetary Defense was"}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "brought to us by NASA to ask if we could"}, {"end": "01:24:19", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "help with these kind of missions since"}, {"end": "01:24:21", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "we've gone out there. So, it's not"}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:19", "text": "something that we bring up a lot. Again,"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:21", "text": "I got to keep the Sean,"}, {"end": "01:24:28", "start": "01:24:24", "text": ">> the problem that is with government work"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "is you become a government company. And"}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:28", "text": "if you ever have worked at Boeing or"}, {"end": "01:24:33", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "anybody that contracts with the"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "government, which I have, not with"}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:33", "text": "Boeing, but with a government"}, {"end": "01:24:38", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "contractor, it's a very different"}, {"end": "01:24:39", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "methodology. You have time cards. You're"}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:38", "text": "keeping track of your hourly rates."}, {"end": "01:24:43", "start": "01:24:39", "text": "You're trying to manage all this. And"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:41", "text": "what it becomes is marginal dollars for"}, {"end": "01:24:46", "start": "01:24:43", "text": "a service. You're a consulting service"}, {"end": "01:24:48", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "right now. You're just consulting for"}, {"end": "01:24:50", "start": "01:24:46", "text": "what the government wants. That is not"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:48", "text": "the company I want to build. I do not"}, {"end": "01:24:54", "start": "01:24:50", "text": "think that is the most efficient company"}, {"end": "01:24:55", "start": "01:24:52", "text": "you can build. I want highly motivated"}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:54", "text": "people that are willing to go explore"}, {"end": "01:25:00", "start": "01:24:55", "text": "the universe and work really [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:25:02", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "hard seven days a week. And that doesn't"}, {"end": "01:25:03", "start": "01:25:00", "text": "drive with the culture of a of a Boeing."}, {"end": "01:25:05", "start": "01:25:02", "text": "Not saying those people don't work hard,"}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:03", "text": "but they work hard for a dollar amount"}, {"end": "01:25:09", "start": "01:25:05", "text": "that is calculated as an hourly rate"}, {"end": "01:25:11", "start": "01:25:07", "text": "that is charged to a charge number on a"}, {"end": "01:25:13", "start": "01:25:09", "text": "contract. The incentives again are just"}, {"end": "01:25:15", "start": "01:25:11", "text": "misaligned and and that's where we get"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:13", "text": "different here. So for us, if we can go"}, {"end": "01:25:19", "start": "01:25:15", "text": "work with NASA in a way where we can"}, {"end": "01:25:21", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "have aligned incentives with them,"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:19", "text": "amazing. Um, if we go with private"}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:21", "text": "institutions or even the government in a"}, {"end": "01:25:27", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "way where incentives are aligned, I'm"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "all for it. If I need to become Boeing"}, {"end": "01:25:31", "start": "01:25:27", "text": "2.0,"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "which let's say all of a sudden we get a"}, {"end": "01:25:36", "start": "01:25:31", "text": "a billion dollar contract tomorrow to"}, {"end": "01:25:38", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "become Boeing 2.0, great. Get a new CEO."}, {"end": "01:25:41", "start": "01:25:36", "text": "Not interested. I have zero passion for"}, {"end": "01:25:41", "start": "01:25:38", "text": "it."}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:41", "text": ">> You're driven. You know what you exactly"}, {"end": "01:25:48", "start": "01:25:44", "text": "what you want. That's"}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:46", "text": ">> that's it, right? like it's not that"}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:48", "text": "that's that's the whole point of"}, {"end": "01:25:53", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "starting companies I think. I mean again"}, {"end": "01:25:55", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "you could look at every single you can"}, {"end": "01:25:56", "start": "01:25:53", "text": "go to get your MBA from any university"}, {"end": "01:25:58", "start": "01:25:55", "text": "and sit there and do a whole bunch of"}, {"end": "01:25:59", "start": "01:25:56", "text": "mouth and be like I found this economic"}, {"end": "01:26:01", "start": "01:25:58", "text": "opportunity. 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It was a"}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "big NASA class A mission cost $5.5"}, {"end": "01:29:42", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "billion. I was going to be a piece of"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "that wheel at JPL. Uh and then you know"}, {"end": "01:29:47", "start": "01:29:42", "text": "at JPL like you get hired, you work on"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "some of these and um you you go on to"}, {"end": "01:29:49", "start": "01:29:47", "text": "the next mission and blah blah blah as"}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "you go through. A lot of people have had"}, {"end": "01:29:53", "start": "01:29:49", "text": "really great careers at JPL and going to"}, {"end": "01:29:56", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "talk about some some really cool stuff."}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:53", "text": "And JPL has these like inspirational"}, {"end": "01:29:59", "start": "01:29:56", "text": "pictures of people working on Voyager"}, {"end": "01:30:01", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "and people working on, you know,"}, {"end": "01:30:03", "start": "01:29:59", "text": "Curiosity and Spirit and Opportunity and"}, {"end": "01:30:05", "start": "01:30:01", "text": "like these these kind of monumental"}, {"end": "01:30:06", "start": "01:30:03", "text": "missions that we've done as humans. A"}, {"end": "01:30:08", "start": "01:30:05", "text": "lot of them have come out of the Jet"}, {"end": "01:30:10", "start": "01:30:06", "text": "Propulsion Laboratory. So again, it's"}, {"end": "01:30:12", "start": "01:30:08", "text": "not about cash. It's not even about the"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:10", "text": "job. It's about you could be a small"}, {"end": "01:30:17", "start": "01:30:12", "text": "part of of of writing history."}, {"end": "01:30:18", "start": "01:30:15", "text": ">> I mean, where where did you say they're"}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:17", "text": "going? Europa Club is going it's going"}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:18", "text": "to one of the moons. It's going to"}, {"end": "01:30:22", "start": "01:30:20", "text": "Europa."}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:20", "text": ">> Which moon is that? Where's that? I"}, {"end": "01:30:26", "start": "01:30:22", "text": ">> think it's it's a moon of Saturn. Fact"}, {"end": "01:30:26", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "check me on that. Is it Saturn or"}, {"end": "01:30:28", "start": "01:30:26", "text": "Jupiter?"}, {"end": "01:30:30", "start": "01:30:26", "text": ">> I mean, that's pretty cool, man, that"}, {"end": "01:30:36", "start": "01:30:28", "text": "you got you had the opportunity to do"}, {"end": "01:30:38", "start": "01:30:30", "text": "that and you switched and started this."}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:36", "text": ">> It's cool or stupid. I don't know. I"}, {"end": "01:30:41", "start": "01:30:38", "text": "think like you kind of I say this all"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "the time. You kind of got to be stupid"}, {"end": "01:30:44", "start": "01:30:41", "text": "to start a company. Like all the in all"}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:43", "text": "the kind of math doesn't math. You're"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:44", "text": "like, \"Hey, hold I can make a lot of"}, {"end": "01:30:49", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "money going and do I mean look to be"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "honest with you Sean I was at a company"}, {"end": "01:30:52", "start": "01:30:49", "text": "called Bird Rides which was the scooter"}, {"end": "01:30:54", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "company and we can go into why I went"}, {"end": "01:30:55", "start": "01:30:52", "text": "there it's actually not important I"}, {"end": "01:30:58", "start": "01:30:54", "text": "wanted to learn how you built if you had"}, {"end": "01:30:59", "start": "01:30:55", "text": "no constraints like if you use China"}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "instead of saying China's the enemy what"}, {"end": "01:31:03", "start": "01:30:59", "text": "if we use China how fast could we build"}, {"end": "01:31:05", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "and I was blown away by how fast you"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:03", "text": "could build if you got rid of all your"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:05", "text": "preconceived notions about what you"}, {"end": "01:31:11", "start": "01:31:06", "text": "could do that's why I went to Bird when"}, {"end": "01:31:16", "start": "01:31:08", "text": "I left Bird I left seven plus figures on"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:11", "text": "the table to to go start this"}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:16", "text": "Why?"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:17", "text": "Probably because I'm stupid, but also"}, {"end": "01:31:24", "start": "01:31:20", "text": "because it's not what drove me, right?"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "The money"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:24", "text": "is is great. I don't come from a wealthy"}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:26", "text": "family. I wasn't rich growing up or"}, {"end": "01:31:32", "start": "01:31:27", "text": "anything like that. And I just Look, I"}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "think if you can"}, {"end": "01:31:35", "start": "01:31:32", "text": "if you can afford to go to dinner and"}, {"end": "01:31:38", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "not have to worry about the bill, you're"}, {"end": "01:31:39", "start": "01:31:35", "text": "in a pretty good [\u00a0__\u00a0] spot in life."}, {"end": "01:31:41", "start": "01:31:38", "text": "That's it. I don't need much more than"}, {"end": "01:31:42", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "that. So, like, let's go do what you"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:41", "text": "want to do. And I asked myself the"}, {"end": "01:31:48", "start": "01:31:42", "text": "question of if I had Elon Musk level of"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:45", "text": "wealth, if I had $300 billion, what"}, {"end": "01:31:52", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "would I do? I go try to explore the"}, {"end": "01:31:57", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] universe. So why don't I just go"}, {"end": "01:31:57", "start": "01:31:52", "text": "do that now? That's all this company is."}, {"end": "01:32:04", "start": "01:31:59", "text": "I think it's more than that to me. But"}, {"end": "01:32:06", "start": "01:32:02", "text": "uh I mean because you could have just"}, {"end": "01:32:08", "start": "01:32:04", "text": "explored the universe at the at the JPL"}, {"end": "01:32:11", "start": "01:32:06", "text": "lab. Yeah, but I wouldn't have got to"}, {"end": "01:32:13", "start": "01:32:08", "text": "control where I explored or saw or"}, {"end": "01:32:15", "start": "01:32:11", "text": "actually saw those missions go faster."}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:13", "text": "The thing that I had a real problem with"}, {"end": "01:32:23", "start": "01:32:15", "text": "at JPL was simply saying,"}, {"end": "01:32:23", "start": "01:32:20", "text": "hold on,"}, {"end": "01:32:27", "start": "01:32:23", "text": "our missions and spacecraft cost $4.5"}, {"end": "01:32:30", "start": "01:32:25", "text": "million."}, {"end": "01:32:32", "start": "01:32:27", "text": "Europa Club cost 5.5 billion. It's a lot"}, {"end": "01:32:34", "start": "01:32:30", "text": "of zeros in between those two numbers."}, {"end": "01:32:35", "start": "01:32:32", "text": "And you don't see that in what's"}, {"end": "01:32:37", "start": "01:32:34", "text": "produced. And I'm not saying what's"}, {"end": "01:32:39", "start": "01:32:35", "text": "produced as a NASA class A mission isn't"}, {"end": "01:32:41", "start": "01:32:37", "text": "a really great mission. Really great"}, {"end": "01:32:43", "start": "01:32:39", "text": "people work on it. What it is though"}, {"end": "01:32:45", "start": "01:32:41", "text": "also is a jobs program. And when I talk"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:43", "text": "about the same reason we're not a"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:45", "text": "government contractor, JPL is right."}, {"end": "01:32:50", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "That's what they're doing. They're a"}, {"end": "01:32:52", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "contracting agency. And you see that in"}, {"end": "01:32:53", "start": "01:32:50", "text": "the work ethic there, you see that in"}, {"end": "01:32:55", "start": "01:32:52", "text": "the people there and you see that in how"}, {"end": "01:32:56", "start": "01:32:53", "text": "it's constructed. There's people that"}, {"end": "01:32:59", "start": "01:32:55", "text": "definitely dream about space there. And"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:56", "text": "there's visionaries at JPL, but there's"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:59", "text": "also people that are clocking in and"}, {"end": "01:33:05", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "clocking out. And that kind of culture"}, {"end": "01:33:06", "start": "01:33:02", "text": "just doesn't doesn't attract me. It"}, {"end": "01:33:08", "start": "01:33:05", "text": "doesn't interest me. When I when I want"}, {"end": "01:33:10", "start": "01:33:06", "text": "to do something, I want to go all in to"}, {"end": "01:33:13", "start": "01:33:08", "text": "the point where it's unhealthy. And if"}, {"end": "01:33:15", "start": "01:33:10", "text": "I'm not unhealthy about it, then like"}, {"end": "01:33:17", "start": "01:33:13", "text": "what's the point? I I don't live for the"}, {"end": "01:33:19", "start": "01:33:15", "text": "weekends, right? I don't I don't"}, {"end": "01:33:20", "start": "01:33:17", "text": "actually even live to retire. Like I"}, {"end": "01:33:22", "start": "01:33:19", "text": "live for this. I live for the experience"}, {"end": "01:33:23", "start": "01:33:20", "text": "of what I'm going through today to see"}, {"end": "01:33:25", "start": "01:33:22", "text": "if to see if you can make it to see if"}, {"end": "01:33:25", "start": "01:33:23", "text": "you can have a lasting impact on the"}, {"end": "01:33:28", "start": "01:33:25", "text": "future."}, {"end": "01:33:31", "start": "01:33:25", "text": ">> I love that. I love that. What else"}, {"end": "01:33:33", "start": "01:33:28", "text": "excites you in space? or do you do you"}, {"end": "01:33:36", "start": "01:33:31", "text": ">> is there anything else or are you 100%"}, {"end": "01:33:37", "start": "01:33:33", "text": "like do you dive into anything else? I"}, {"end": "01:33:38", "start": "01:33:36", "text": "mean, look, like any like anybody that's"}, {"end": "01:33:40", "start": "01:33:37", "text": "around space and you're around this,"}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:38", "text": "what else excites me? I think there is a"}, {"end": "01:33:44", "start": "01:33:40", "text": "revolutionary going on in rocketry right"}, {"end": "01:33:46", "start": "01:33:42", "text": "now as we look at it and whether it's"}, {"end": "01:33:48", "start": "01:33:44", "text": "the RD that I talked about, whether it"}, {"end": "01:33:50", "start": "01:33:46", "text": "is Starship coming online. I think"}, {"end": "01:33:51", "start": "01:33:48", "text": "Starship is it's [\u00a0__\u00a0] hard rocket to"}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:50", "text": "build, man. And I think you're seeing"}, {"end": "01:33:55", "start": "01:33:51", "text": "that. You're seeing that the you're"}, {"end": "01:33:58", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "seeing that move fast culture really get"}, {"end": "01:34:00", "start": "01:33:55", "text": "tested right now with with how Elon is"}, {"end": "01:34:02", "start": "01:33:58", "text": "building Starship. And I hope Elon I"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:34:00", "text": "hope Elon goes back to dedicating"}, {"end": "01:34:06", "start": "01:34:02", "text": "himself 100% to SpaceX because I think"}, {"end": "01:34:08", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "he could he could really make an impact"}, {"end": "01:34:10", "start": "01:34:06", "text": "there on Starship. I think it needs it"}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "needs that back in there. And then you"}, {"end": "01:34:16", "start": "01:34:10", "text": "have vehicles like uh the rumored New"}, {"end": "01:34:18", "start": "01:34:12", "text": "Armstrong which will be um"}, {"end": "01:34:20", "start": "01:34:16", "text": "Blue Origins Starship competitor. I"}, {"end": "01:34:21", "start": "01:34:18", "text": "don't know if it's real or not, but I"}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:20", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] hope it is. It's kind of like"}, {"end": "01:34:24", "start": "01:34:21", "text": "like Aliens. I hope that these companies"}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:23", "text": "are working on bigger rockets, right?"}, {"end": "01:34:28", "start": "01:34:24", "text": "Because it's it's [\u00a0__\u00a0] cool. I want"}, {"end": "01:34:29", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "to see what that revolution enables."}, {"end": "01:34:31", "start": "01:34:28", "text": "Now, what it's going to enable is two"}, {"end": "01:34:32", "start": "01:34:29", "text": "things in my mind. It's going to enable"}, {"end": "01:34:35", "start": "01:34:31", "text": "different business cases. And so, you're"}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:32", "text": "probably going to have more Starling"}, {"end": "01:34:39", "start": "01:34:35", "text": "competitors come out. I don't I don't"}, {"end": "01:34:40", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "know what else. I don't really care cuz"}, {"end": "01:34:41", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "those are all boring. And I'm sure those"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:40", "text": "people make a lot of money. Again, all"}, {"end": "01:34:45", "start": "01:34:41", "text": "my friends work in those industries. And"}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "I tell them this, if you're low Earth"}, {"end": "01:34:50", "start": "01:34:45", "text": "orbiting, like I don't care. It's"}, {"end": "01:34:51", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "boring. I want to see. Like, it just is."}, {"end": "01:34:53", "start": "01:34:50", "text": "It just it just doesn't excite me,"}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:51", "text": "right? It doesn't like Starlink really"}, {"end": "01:34:57", "start": "01:34:53", "text": "cool technologies. I don't care. That's"}, {"end": "01:34:58", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "the honest truth. I don't it's I want to"}, {"end": "01:35:01", "start": "01:34:57", "text": "see what we do with the science side."}, {"end": "01:35:02", "start": "01:34:58", "text": "Like if if Starship comes online, we can"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:35:01", "text": "launch some gigantic [\u00a0__\u00a0] ass"}, {"end": "01:35:05", "start": "01:35:02", "text": "telescopes. We can get really far. We"}, {"end": "01:35:07", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "can launch cheaper interplanetary"}, {"end": "01:35:09", "start": "01:35:05", "text": "missions. Can we actually go colonize"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:07", "text": "Mars? Can we get there? Can we become"}, {"end": "01:35:14", "start": "01:35:09", "text": "multilanetary?"}, {"end": "01:35:16", "start": "01:35:12", "text": "I don't know. To be clear, I don't know"}, {"end": "01:35:18", "start": "01:35:14", "text": "the answer to any of this. Alls I'm"}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "saying is I really like when people go"}, {"end": "01:35:22", "start": "01:35:18", "text": "try. Same thing with Ashford. I'm not"}, {"end": "01:35:23", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "going to sit here and say I'm 100%"}, {"end": "01:35:25", "start": "01:35:22", "text": "confident this is going to work and I'm"}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:23", "text": "going to pull it off. I actually don't"}, {"end": "01:35:28", "start": "01:35:25", "text": "know. I think the magic in this is that"}, {"end": "01:35:30", "start": "01:35:27", "text": "you still got enough, you know, you"}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:28", "text": "still got enough balls to go for it and"}, {"end": "01:35:35", "start": "01:35:30", "text": "try."}, {"end": "01:35:38", "start": "01:35:32", "text": ">> Do you think that the I This is what I"}, {"end": "01:35:39", "start": "01:35:35", "text": "watch at night. I just fall asleep to"}, {"end": "01:35:41", "start": "01:35:38", "text": "space documentaries."}, {"end": "01:35:43", "start": "01:35:39", "text": ">> I fall space sleep to board"}, {"end": "01:35:44", "start": "01:35:41", "text": "documentaries. So like, you know, my"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:43", "text": "wife laughs at me all the time. She's"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:44", "text": "like, \"Dude, you literally listen to"}, {"end": "01:35:48", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "people like die in Vietnam and you just"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "pass out to that. Like that's how you go"}, {"end": "01:35:52", "start": "01:35:48", "text": "to sleep.\" I'm like, \"Yeah, it's kind"}, {"end": "01:35:54", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "of, you know, like it's a great stories,"}, {"end": "01:35:54", "start": "01:35:52", "text": "right?\""}, {"end": "01:36:00", "start": "01:35:54", "text": "is the universe expanding."}, {"end": "01:36:02", "start": "01:35:57", "text": ">> So when we look at again I'm not a"}, {"end": "01:36:03", "start": "01:36:00", "text": "physicist or scientist so I'm probably"}, {"end": "01:36:04", "start": "01:36:02", "text": "going to get shown off for this but what"}, {"end": "01:36:06", "start": "01:36:03", "text": "I'll say is when we look at data from"}, {"end": "01:36:07", "start": "01:36:04", "text": "telescopes and we see light shifts on"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:06", "text": "galaxies they appear to be moving away"}, {"end": "01:36:12", "start": "01:36:07", "text": "from us and so the logical thing you can"}, {"end": "01:36:15", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "draw from that is that the universe"}, {"end": "01:36:17", "start": "01:36:12", "text": "again it is a it is a hypothesis based"}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:15", "text": "on observation we have in space. So,"}, {"end": "01:36:20", "start": "01:36:17", "text": "we've seen something that happens. We've"}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "seen a red shift out of these galaxies."}, {"end": "01:36:23", "start": "01:36:20", "text": "We think they're moving away from us."}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:22", "text": ">> Everything's moving away from us."}, {"end": "01:36:26", "start": "01:36:23", "text": ">> Everything is moving away. Well, not"}, {"end": "01:36:27", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "everything. And Andromeda is moving"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:26", "text": "towards us, right? So, not everything is"}, {"end": "01:36:32", "start": "01:36:27", "text": "moving away from us. Certain things are"}, {"end": "01:36:33", "start": "01:36:29", "text": "moving away from our galaxy. Um, and"}, {"end": "01:36:34", "start": "01:36:32", "text": "when we look at that, we can make the"}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:33", "text": "assumption that the universe is"}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:34", "text": "expanding and we have no [\u00a0__\u00a0] idea"}, {"end": "01:36:40", "start": "01:36:37", "text": "why, right? We don't know why it's"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:39", "text": "accelerating. So, there's two ways you"}, {"end": "01:36:44", "start": "01:36:40", "text": "can look at this. You can either say,"}, {"end": "01:36:47", "start": "01:36:42", "text": "well, probably three actually. The"}, {"end": "01:36:48", "start": "01:36:44", "text": "universe is expanding."}, {"end": "01:36:51", "start": "01:36:47", "text": "Our understanding of physics is"}, {"end": "01:36:52", "start": "01:36:48", "text": "fundamentally incorrect."}, {"end": "01:36:55", "start": "01:36:51", "text": "Our understanding of how to take these"}, {"end": "01:36:57", "start": "01:36:52", "text": "scientific measurements is incorrect."}, {"end": "01:36:59", "start": "01:36:55", "text": "Um I think we understand how to take"}, {"end": "01:37:03", "start": "01:36:57", "text": "scientific instruments."}, {"end": "01:37:05", "start": "01:36:59", "text": "I think you have to to say is our basic"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:03", "text": "thesis for physics correct or are we"}, {"end": "01:37:08", "start": "01:37:05", "text": "missing something? And I think there's a"}, {"end": "01:37:10", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "lot of holes in our modern way of"}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:08", "text": "physics, but it does a really good job"}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:10", "text": "of explaining all the phenomenon that we"}, {"end": "01:37:15", "start": "01:37:11", "text": "witness today and we see here and it"}, {"end": "01:37:17", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "kind of falls apart at the super small"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:15", "text": "and the super large and and we don't"}, {"end": "01:37:22", "start": "01:37:17", "text": "know why. But it's really really"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "interesting to go talk to some of these"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:22", "text": "people that are going and trying to"}, {"end": "01:37:27", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "solve these problems and the math they"}, {"end": "01:37:30", "start": "01:37:26", "text": "do and the and the way they look at"}, {"end": "01:37:31", "start": "01:37:27", "text": "this. I mean, you know, Kip Thorne's"}, {"end": "01:37:33", "start": "01:37:30", "text": "discovery of gravity waves was"}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:31", "text": "essentially just math equations. And he"}, {"end": "01:37:36", "start": "01:37:33", "text": "said like, \"hm, I see this in"}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "mathematics. I should be able to see it."}, {"end": "01:37:40", "start": "01:37:36", "text": "And here's how I think we would be able"}, {"end": "01:37:42", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "to see it.\" And that's pretty [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:37:43", "start": "01:37:40", "text": "cool, man. That we can go from that"}, {"end": "01:37:46", "start": "01:37:42", "text": "level of understanding of math and and"}, {"end": "01:37:47", "start": "01:37:43", "text": "and make observations that then 20 years"}, {"end": "01:37:49", "start": "01:37:46", "text": "later, we can detect those gravity"}, {"end": "01:37:51", "start": "01:37:47", "text": "waves, right? And and and see these"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:49", "text": "experimental results. And so, is the"}, {"end": "01:37:57", "start": "01:37:51", "text": "universe expanding?"}, {"end": "01:37:59", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "We observe it to be expanding. Is it or"}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:57", "text": "is it not?"}, {"end": "01:38:02", "start": "01:37:59", "text": "We can get super philosophical here on"}, {"end": "01:38:05", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "like what is expanding? What is the"}, {"end": "01:38:06", "start": "01:38:02", "text": "universe? What is it? Like you know"}, {"end": "01:38:08", "start": "01:38:05", "text": "there's all these things."}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:06", "text": ">> I love this stuff."}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:08", "text": ">> There's all these variables you can have"}, {"end": "01:38:15", "start": "01:38:09", "text": "there. And if you start to question the"}, {"end": "01:38:18", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "fundamentals of every variable um you"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:15", "text": "can lead to some really interesting"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:18", "text": "thesises. And so like I said there's a"}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:20", "text": "thesis called variable light theory that"}, {"end": "01:38:26", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "that light is not static. That we don't"}, {"end": "01:38:27", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "think the speed of light is is a"}, {"end": "01:38:28", "start": "01:38:26", "text": "constant. That obviously goes"}, {"end": "01:38:29", "start": "01:38:27", "text": "counteractive to all other physics,"}, {"end": "01:38:32", "start": "01:38:28", "text": "right? And probably"}, {"end": "01:38:35", "start": "01:38:29", "text": ">> I just talked to some was Baji Bot who"}, {"end": "01:38:37", "start": "01:38:32", "text": "is is sending up satellites and wants to"}, {"end": "01:38:39", "start": "01:38:35", "text": "beam solar energy back into Earth. He"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:37", "text": "was talking about I think it was him. He"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:39", "text": "he had he had uh mentioned that we've"}, {"end": "01:38:47", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "recently frozen light."}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:46", "text": ">> I don't know how you freeze light, but"}, {"end": "01:38:50", "start": "01:38:47", "text": "that's pretty sick. But that sounds"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "cool. But they they said that they was"}, {"end": "01:38:53", "start": "01:38:50", "text": "it I think it was uh I think it was him"}, {"end": "01:38:55", "start": "01:38:52", "text": "that was talking about it that had"}, {"end": "01:38:56", "start": "01:38:53", "text": "mentioned that we had we have found a"}, {"end": "01:38:59", "start": "01:38:55", "text": "way to freeze light."}, {"end": "01:39:01", "start": "01:38:56", "text": ">> So this is where the math becomes super"}, {"end": "01:39:04", "start": "01:38:59", "text": "important because we say we can't travel"}, {"end": "01:39:05", "start": "01:39:01", "text": "faster than light. That's wrong. We"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:04", "text": "can't travel faster than light in a"}, {"end": "01:39:09", "start": "01:39:05", "text": "vacuum. We travel faster than light in"}, {"end": "01:39:11", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "different mediums. Right? And so like"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:09", "text": "there's all these different ways to"}, {"end": "01:39:14", "start": "01:39:11", "text": "chalk up what we're talking about and"}, {"end": "01:39:15", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "how you take your assumptions and and"}, {"end": "01:39:18", "start": "01:39:14", "text": "make them different. And this is where"}, {"end": "01:39:20", "start": "01:39:15", "text": "the math and the details details matter."}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:18", "text": "Details matter a lot. And we start to"}, {"end": "01:39:23", "start": "01:39:20", "text": "talk about these kind of math equations"}, {"end": "01:39:24", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "and the way we look at physics. Like you"}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:23", "text": "got to dive into detail. So what does"}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:24", "text": "freezing light mean? Did we go really"}, {"end": "01:39:29", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "cold? Did we use a different medium?"}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:28", "text": "Does it mean to just slow down? You"}, {"end": "01:39:33", "start": "01:39:29", "text": "know, how do we look at this? Like"}, {"end": "01:39:35", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "people love to put Hollywood on top of"}, {"end": "01:39:35", "start": "01:39:33", "text": "these physics discoveries."}, {"end": "01:39:37", "start": "01:39:35", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:35", "text": ">> And the reality is they're not usually"}, {"end": "01:39:40", "start": "01:39:37", "text": "that Hollywood. They're actually usually"}, {"end": "01:39:42", "start": "01:39:38", "text": "pretty mundane and boring. And that's"}, {"end": "01:39:44", "start": "01:39:40", "text": "why I think going back to my original"}, {"end": "01:39:46", "start": "01:39:42", "text": "point is like"}, {"end": "01:39:47", "start": "01:39:44", "text": "I really think you should do this, Sean."}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:46", "text": "just like when you're reading one of"}, {"end": "01:39:51", "start": "01:39:47", "text": "those just call the [\u00a0__\u00a0] author"}, {"end": "01:39:52", "start": "01:39:49", "text": ">> call the paper and say like hey what"}, {"end": "01:39:54", "start": "01:39:51", "text": "does this mean or I was talking about"}, {"end": "01:39:57", "start": "01:39:52", "text": "the you know call Kip Thorne he's at"}, {"end": "01:39:59", "start": "01:39:54", "text": "Caltech like he will pick up the phone"}, {"end": "01:40:02", "start": "01:39:57", "text": "um when I was at NASA Goddard there was"}, {"end": "01:40:03", "start": "01:39:59", "text": "a guy named there named John Matis"}, {"end": "01:40:05", "start": "01:40:02", "text": "and uh he discovered the background"}, {"end": "01:40:08", "start": "01:40:03", "text": "radiation of the universe won a Nobel"}, {"end": "01:40:09", "start": "01:40:05", "text": "Prize for it right the mission in '92 I"}, {"end": "01:40:10", "start": "01:40:08", "text": "think it was that took that famous"}, {"end": "01:40:13", "start": "01:40:09", "text": "picture of the background radiation of"}, {"end": "01:40:15", "start": "01:40:10", "text": "the universe I literally just walked up"}, {"end": "01:40:17", "start": "01:40:13", "text": "to his office and was like can I talk"}, {"end": "01:40:18", "start": "01:40:15", "text": "with And he's like, \"Dude, come in. I'm"}, {"end": "01:40:19", "start": "01:40:17", "text": "just working on this. Like, come in."}, {"end": "01:40:22", "start": "01:40:18", "text": "What do you want to talk about?\" And I'm"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:19", "text": "like, \"These people, we we kind of hold"}, {"end": "01:40:25", "start": "01:40:22", "text": "them up as like these fictitious"}, {"end": "01:40:26", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "characters that are that are that are"}, {"end": "01:40:28", "start": "01:40:25", "text": "different than us. They're all just"}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:26", "text": "people. They're all just humans. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:40:31", "start": "01:40:28", "text": "some of them are [\u00a0__\u00a0] total oddballs,"}, {"end": "01:40:32", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "but like what they are not as"}, {"end": "01:40:34", "start": "01:40:31", "text": "celebrities.\" And I think that's"}, {"end": "01:40:36", "start": "01:40:32", "text": "important because that means they're"}, {"end": "01:40:38", "start": "01:40:34", "text": "accessible. And as soon as these things"}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:36", "text": "become celebrities where we're watching"}, {"end": "01:40:42", "start": "01:40:38", "text": "documentaries on them, usually those"}, {"end": "01:40:45", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "that math has been convoluted so much to"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:42", "text": "to help explain it to us as as laymen"}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:45", "text": "that you're actually not getting the"}, {"end": "01:40:49", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "true story of what's happening. And in"}, {"end": "01:40:51", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "some cases, you'll have the original"}, {"end": "01:40:52", "start": "01:40:49", "text": "authors of these papers or these these"}, {"end": "01:40:54", "start": "01:40:51", "text": "theories come out and say like it's"}, {"end": "01:40:55", "start": "01:40:52", "text": "actually not what I was saying at all."}, {"end": "01:40:57", "start": "01:40:54", "text": "Like this doesn't make any sense. It's"}, {"end": "01:40:59", "start": "01:40:55", "text": "not what I meant at all by this. I mean"}, {"end": "01:41:01", "start": "01:40:57", "text": "a good one again, the psyche asteroid"}, {"end": "01:41:03", "start": "01:40:59", "text": "saying it's worth a hundred quadrillion"}, {"end": "01:41:04", "start": "01:41:01", "text": "dollars. Talk to Lindy about it. She's"}, {"end": "01:41:07", "start": "01:41:03", "text": "she's the PI for the NASA Psyche"}, {"end": "01:41:10", "start": "01:41:04", "text": "mission. She's like this is not what I"}, {"end": "01:41:11", "start": "01:41:07", "text": "meant. I didn't mean like oh yeah it's"}, {"end": "01:41:13", "start": "01:41:10", "text": "what I was I was trying to equate for"}, {"end": "01:41:14", "start": "01:41:11", "text": "for how much is on this how much"}, {"end": "01:41:17", "start": "01:41:13", "text": "material is here in in form somebody"}, {"end": "01:41:19", "start": "01:41:14", "text": "else could understand but that's been"}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:17", "text": "taken differently and you know that's"}, {"end": "01:41:22", "start": "01:41:19", "text": "that's kind of how this works."}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:20", "text": ">> So couple of questions just from what"}, {"end": "01:41:25", "start": "01:41:22", "text": "you were talking about. One I want to"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:24", "text": "talk about background radiation in"}, {"end": "01:41:29", "start": "01:41:25", "text": "space. I don't know what that is but"}, {"end": "01:41:31", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "before that you mentioned traveling"}, {"end": "01:41:32", "start": "01:41:29", "text": "faster than the speed of light in other"}, {"end": "01:41:34", "start": "01:41:31", "text": "mediums. What do you mean by that?"}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:32", "text": ">> Light travels slower in metal."}, {"end": "01:41:38", "start": "01:41:34", "text": ">> Okay. So, what does that even mean?"}, {"end": "01:41:41", "start": "01:41:36", "text": "Because it seems like you put a chunk of"}, {"end": "01:41:43", "start": "01:41:38", "text": "metal in front of light and a it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:41:45", "start": "01:41:41", "text": "go through the other side. It blocks it."}, {"end": "01:41:46", "start": "01:41:43", "text": ">> So, what does that mean that it travels"}, {"end": "01:41:49", "start": "01:41:45", "text": "slower through metal?"}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:46", "text": ">> Any kind of fiber, whether it's look,"}, {"end": "01:41:51", "start": "01:41:49", "text": "there's a whole bunch of ways, I guess,"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:50", "text": "to slow down light."}, {"end": "01:41:53", "start": "01:41:51", "text": ">> Whether you talk about fiber optics,"}, {"end": "01:41:55", "start": "01:41:52", "text": "it's going to go slower. And this is"}, {"end": "01:41:57", "start": "01:41:53", "text": "because the photons are hitting other"}, {"end": "01:41:59", "start": "01:41:55", "text": "atoms and being deflected."}, {"end": "01:42:00", "start": "01:41:57", "text": "um"}, {"end": "01:42:01", "start": "01:41:59", "text": "light. What I'm what I'm getting at"}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:42:00", "text": "there is when we talk about these"}, {"end": "01:42:05", "start": "01:42:01", "text": "equations though, the details matter,"}, {"end": "01:42:07", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "right? When we say light travels at a"}, {"end": "01:42:10", "start": "01:42:05", "text": "constant speed, we're referring to light"}, {"end": "01:42:12", "start": "01:42:07", "text": "in a vacuum. And so all of these ways we"}, {"end": "01:42:14", "start": "01:42:10", "text": "describe this science, again, those"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:12", "text": "variables are the important piece of it."}, {"end": "01:42:17", "start": "01:42:14", "text": "And if we forget about those other"}, {"end": "01:42:19", "start": "01:42:15", "text": "variables, we lead ourselves to believe"}, {"end": "01:42:23", "start": "01:42:17", "text": "falsehoods that are not true."}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:19", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. Let's talk about background"}, {"end": "01:42:26", "start": "01:42:23", "text": "radiation."}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "Is that what you called it? That's what"}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:26", "text": "it's called. Know very little about"}, {"end": "01:42:32", "start": "01:42:28", "text": "background radiation. Right. So I talked"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "with um so there was a Nobel Prize"}, {"end": "01:42:36", "start": "01:42:32", "text": "awarded on this. I think the the"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "scientific mission was was in the early"}, {"end": "01:42:39", "start": "01:42:36", "text": "'9s and it was a spacecraft that went"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "out and mapped this as the background"}, {"end": "01:42:43", "start": "01:42:39", "text": "radiation of the universe. This was the"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "famous story that was found maybe it's"}, {"end": "01:42:49", "start": "01:42:43", "text": "just famous to to radio engineers that"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "when I went to school of"}, {"end": "01:42:51", "start": "01:42:49", "text": "it was these guys on a military base and"}, {"end": "01:42:52", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "I don't remember exactly what they were"}, {"end": "01:42:54", "start": "01:42:51", "text": "doing. They had this antenna. They had"}, {"end": "01:42:56", "start": "01:42:52", "text": "this radio telescope they were looking"}, {"end": "01:42:58", "start": "01:42:54", "text": "at things with and they kept seeing"}, {"end": "01:43:00", "start": "01:42:56", "text": "noise on the telescope and they thought"}, {"end": "01:43:02", "start": "01:42:58", "text": "it was birds nesting in the telescope."}, {"end": "01:43:03", "start": "01:43:00", "text": "So they kept cleaning it out and"}, {"end": "01:43:05", "start": "01:43:02", "text": "cleaning it out and going like what the"}, {"end": "01:43:06", "start": "01:43:03", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] Why is this thing noisy? And"}, {"end": "01:43:08", "start": "01:43:05", "text": "checked everything. And what they"}, {"end": "01:43:10", "start": "01:43:06", "text": "realized is their instrument was"}, {"end": "01:43:12", "start": "01:43:08", "text": "perfectly fine. What they were viewing"}, {"end": "01:43:14", "start": "01:43:10", "text": "was the background radiation of the"}, {"end": "01:43:15", "start": "01:43:12", "text": "universe. And that apparently according"}, {"end": "01:43:17", "start": "01:43:14", "text": "to physicists comes from the beginning"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:15", "text": "of the big bang. Like don't ask me how"}, {"end": "01:43:22", "start": "01:43:17", "text": "or why. I actually have no idea. But"}, {"end": "01:43:24", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "what John did with this imager was be"}, {"end": "01:43:25", "start": "01:43:22", "text": "able to image and categorize it. And so"}, {"end": "01:43:26", "start": "01:43:24", "text": "it's I'm sure you've seen the image"}, {"end": "01:43:28", "start": "01:43:25", "text": "before."}, {"end": "01:43:30", "start": "01:43:26", "text": ">> Is this the thing that"}, {"end": "01:43:32", "start": "01:43:28", "text": ">> Hear me out. Is this the thing they're"}, {"end": "01:43:34", "start": "01:43:30", "text": "talking about where it looks like it"}, {"end": "01:43:37", "start": "01:43:32", "text": "looks like"}, {"end": "01:43:38", "start": "01:43:34", "text": "a brain? How how it's all connected? Is"}, {"end": "01:43:39", "start": "01:43:37", "text": "that what you're talking about?"}, {"end": "01:43:42", "start": "01:43:38", "text": ">> I don't I don't know what you're talking"}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:39", "text": "about. That sounds awesome. But no, it"}, {"end": "01:43:45", "start": "01:43:42", "text": "looks like it looks like almost a map of"}, {"end": "01:43:47", "start": "01:43:44", "text": "the world even though it is the"}, {"end": "01:43:49", "start": "01:43:45", "text": "universe. So, it's like this oblong kind"}, {"end": "01:43:51", "start": "01:43:47", "text": "of ellipse and and you'll see light and"}, {"end": "01:43:52", "start": "01:43:49", "text": "dark spots. There's quieter spots of the"}, {"end": "01:43:54", "start": "01:43:51", "text": "universe. There's there's hotter spots"}, {"end": "01:43:55", "start": "01:43:52", "text": "of the universe. And"}, {"end": "01:43:56", "start": "01:43:54", "text": ">> I should call them colder and hotter"}, {"end": "01:43:58", "start": "01:43:55", "text": "because that's how they're measured. But"}, {"end": "01:43:59", "start": "01:43:56", "text": "I I don't think we know why or"}, {"end": "01:44:01", "start": "01:43:58", "text": "understand why it's not uniform. This is"}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:59", "text": "kind of a big discovery. But again,"}, {"end": "01:44:05", "start": "01:44:01", "text": "there's so many cool things in science"}, {"end": "01:44:08", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "that we just we discover. We go witness"}, {"end": "01:44:09", "start": "01:44:05", "text": "and and we actually don't know why."}, {"end": "01:44:12", "start": "01:44:08", "text": "That's what makes this beautiful, right?"}, {"end": "01:44:14", "start": "01:44:09", "text": ">> Mhm. Mhm. Please put a satellite into a"}, {"end": "01:44:16", "start": "01:44:12", "text": "black hole."}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:14", "text": "Please put a satellite into a black"}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:16", "text": "hole. I want to know what's on the other"}, {"end": "01:44:19", "start": "01:44:17", "text": "side."}, {"end": "01:44:22", "start": "01:44:17", "text": ">> I mean, if we did, we wouldn't know,"}, {"end": "01:44:23", "start": "01:44:19", "text": "right? This black holes are this,"}, {"end": "01:44:25", "start": "01:44:22", "text": ">> man, black holes are such a cool"}, {"end": "01:44:26", "start": "01:44:23", "text": "concept. And it went through this whole"}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:25", "text": "thing of like, hey, if you have infinite"}, {"end": "01:44:29", "start": "01:44:26", "text": "gravity and you can draw these math"}, {"end": "01:44:30", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "equations that show we should have black"}, {"end": "01:44:32", "start": "01:44:29", "text": "holes and then you start to have all"}, {"end": "01:44:35", "start": "01:44:30", "text": "these theories, things like hockey"}, {"end": "01:44:38", "start": "01:44:32", "text": "radiation and these discs. And it wasn't"}, {"end": "01:44:40", "start": "01:44:35", "text": "until recently that we were able to"}, {"end": "01:44:41", "start": "01:44:38", "text": "image a black hole. Now, we didn't"}, {"end": "01:44:43", "start": "01:44:40", "text": "actually image a black hole because no"}, {"end": "01:44:45", "start": "01:44:41", "text": "light can escape a black hole, right? to"}, {"end": "01:44:47", "start": "01:44:43", "text": "show the disc and and show everything"}, {"end": "01:44:49", "start": "01:44:45", "text": "going into it. And that was a a pretty"}, {"end": "01:44:50", "start": "01:44:47", "text": "big moment because it again it goes"}, {"end": "01:44:53", "start": "01:44:49", "text": "through what is probably a hundred years"}, {"end": "01:44:55", "start": "01:44:50", "text": "of theory going down into one image to"}, {"end": "01:44:56", "start": "01:44:53", "text": "say, \"Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] that theory was true.\""}, {"end": "01:45:00", "start": "01:44:55", "text": "That theory that started out with basic"}, {"end": "01:45:02", "start": "01:44:56", "text": "principles of math and physics and a"}, {"end": "01:45:05", "start": "01:45:00", "text": "human sitting there thinking outside the"}, {"end": "01:45:07", "start": "01:45:02", "text": "box was able to prove this to be right."}, {"end": "01:45:08", "start": "01:45:05", "text": "It's it's not very often that happens in"}, {"end": "01:45:10", "start": "01:45:07", "text": "in human history, but it's kind of"}, {"end": "01:45:11", "start": "01:45:08", "text": "revolutionary when it does. And there's"}, {"end": "01:45:12", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "some lesser famous ones that I actually"}, {"end": "01:45:14", "start": "01:45:11", "text": "think are more impressive"}, {"end": "01:45:15", "start": "01:45:12", "text": ">> like what"}, {"end": "01:45:17", "start": "01:45:14", "text": ">> I mean look talk to anybody about"}, {"end": "01:45:18", "start": "01:45:15", "text": "Maxwell's equations these four"}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:17", "text": "fundamental equations of"}, {"end": "01:45:24", "start": "01:45:18", "text": "electromagnetism that are comp I mean"}, {"end": "01:45:26", "start": "01:45:22", "text": "his paper to do this is like his proof"}, {"end": "01:45:28", "start": "01:45:24", "text": "it's like 300 pages long it's this guy"}, {"end": "01:45:30", "start": "01:45:26", "text": "was clearly batshit insane came up with"}, {"end": "01:45:32", "start": "01:45:28", "text": "some of the most important theories for"}, {"end": "01:45:36", "start": "01:45:30", "text": "how the modern world operates with with"}, {"end": "01:45:38", "start": "01:45:32", "text": "electronics and um I think he because he"}, {"end": "01:45:40", "start": "01:45:36", "text": "wasn't good at the the Hollywood style"}, {"end": "01:45:41", "start": "01:45:38", "text": "because he wasn't good at at"}, {"end": "01:45:43", "start": "01:45:40", "text": "articulating what he was doing because"}, {"end": "01:45:44", "start": "01:45:41", "text": "his proof is so [\u00a0__\u00a0] long that only"}, {"end": "01:45:48", "start": "01:45:43", "text": "some loser is going to sit there and"}, {"end": "01:45:49", "start": "01:45:44", "text": "read it. Um, it makes it so that you"}, {"end": "01:45:50", "start": "01:45:48", "text": "don't get the press from it, right? And"}, {"end": "01:45:51", "start": "01:45:49", "text": "like you've probably never heard of"}, {"end": "01:45:53", "start": "01:45:50", "text": "Maxwell's equation. In fact, when I say"}, {"end": "01:45:55", "start": "01:45:51", "text": "Maxwell, you probably think coffee,"}, {"end": "01:45:57", "start": "01:45:53", "text": "right? That's Maxwell House or whatever."}, {"end": "01:45:59", "start": "01:45:55", "text": "Like it it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:46:01", "start": "01:45:57", "text": "resonate with anybody at the same level"}, {"end": "01:46:03", "start": "01:45:59", "text": "because there is there has always been a"}, {"end": "01:46:06", "start": "01:46:01", "text": "side of showmanship to science. This is"}, {"end": "01:46:08", "start": "01:46:03", "text": "why Einstein is so famous. You know who"}, {"end": "01:46:09", "start": "01:46:06", "text": "Einstein is?"}, {"end": "01:46:10", "start": "01:46:08", "text": "probably because you always call"}, {"end": "01:46:11", "start": "01:46:09", "text": "somebody you don't like. You're like,"}, {"end": "01:46:13", "start": "01:46:10", "text": "\"Oh, yeah. You're you're you're an"}, {"end": "01:46:15", "start": "01:46:11", "text": "Einstein, right? Like, you're stupid.\""}, {"end": "01:46:16", "start": "01:46:13", "text": "Um, I love how we use his name to be"}, {"end": "01:46:17", "start": "01:46:15", "text": "that. The reason you know about"}, {"end": "01:46:19", "start": "01:46:16", "text": "Einstein, though, I think is because of"}, {"end": "01:46:20", "start": "01:46:17", "text": "the nuclear bombs, right? I think if it"}, {"end": "01:46:22", "start": "01:46:19", "text": "wasn't for that, we may not know him at"}, {"end": "01:46:25", "start": "01:46:20", "text": "the same level. There's probably a more"}, {"end": "01:46:27", "start": "01:46:22", "text": "important physicist at the time like"}, {"end": "01:46:29", "start": "01:46:25", "text": "Boore with the atom, right? And other"}, {"end": "01:46:31", "start": "01:46:27", "text": "things, all these other physicists at"}, {"end": "01:46:33", "start": "01:46:29", "text": "the time that are are really not as well"}, {"end": "01:46:35", "start": "01:46:31", "text": "known as Einstein because they didn't"}, {"end": "01:46:37", "start": "01:46:33", "text": "have they didn't have the marketing."}, {"end": "01:46:42", "start": "01:46:35", "text": ">> Interesting. What do you what do you"}, {"end": "01:46:42", "start": "01:46:37", "text": "think about the multiverse theory?"}, {"end": "01:46:47", "start": "01:46:42", "text": ">> Oh god, I know so little about this that"}, {"end": "01:46:48", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "I'm just going to be to like multiverse"}, {"end": "01:46:50", "start": "01:46:47", "text": "theory is when you go into multiple"}, {"end": "01:46:52", "start": "01:46:48", "text": "dimensions to help describe phenomenon."}, {"end": "01:46:53", "start": "01:46:50", "text": "It it it resonates from something called"}, {"end": "01:46:55", "start": "01:46:52", "text": "string theory."}, {"end": "01:46:57", "start": "01:46:53", "text": "I don't know [\u00a0__\u00a0] about it. And I think"}, {"end": "01:46:59", "start": "01:46:55", "text": "that these ideas are what you get when"}, {"end": "01:47:02", "start": "01:46:57", "text": "you extrapolate scientific equations."}, {"end": "01:47:05", "start": "01:46:59", "text": "When you say yes, if this happens, every"}, {"end": "01:47:06", "start": "01:47:02", "text": "possible scenario has to be true. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:47:08", "start": "01:47:05", "text": ">> Thus meaning we must have multiple"}, {"end": "01:47:12", "start": "01:47:06", "text": "universes for all of those scenarios to"}, {"end": "01:47:15", "start": "01:47:08", "text": "be true. And"}, {"end": "01:47:17", "start": "01:47:12", "text": "I it's in pure conflict with other forms"}, {"end": "01:47:19", "start": "01:47:15", "text": "of our of our theories, right? Like,"}, {"end": "01:47:21", "start": "01:47:17", "text": "okay, well, so do we make universes? Are"}, {"end": "01:47:23", "start": "01:47:19", "text": "they created every instance? Is the"}, {"end": "01:47:24", "start": "01:47:21", "text": "universe exponentially expanding? Like,"}, {"end": "01:47:26", "start": "01:47:23", "text": "you can kind of take this any direction"}, {"end": "01:47:28", "start": "01:47:24", "text": "you want. And to be honest with you, I"}, {"end": "01:47:30", "start": "01:47:26", "text": "haven't spent enough time here to have a"}, {"end": "01:47:32", "start": "01:47:28", "text": "good idea of like, is this is this"}, {"end": "01:47:34", "start": "01:47:30", "text": "relevant? Is this not? I have no [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:47:35", "start": "01:47:32", "text": "idea. I think it's a cool theory. I"}, {"end": "01:47:38", "start": "01:47:34", "text": "think all these theories can be really"}, {"end": "01:47:40", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "interesting theories, but"}, {"end": "01:47:46", "start": "01:47:38", "text": ">> I love diving into them. I love it. Just"}, {"end": "01:47:46", "start": "01:47:40", "text": "fascinates me. Then I fall asleep. But"}, {"end": "01:47:49", "start": "01:47:46", "text": ">> it's it's a fun thing to talk about, but"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:47", "text": "I think what's important to understand"}, {"end": "01:47:53", "start": "01:47:49", "text": "is almost all these theories are based"}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "off a very small amount of scientific"}, {"end": "01:47:57", "start": "01:47:53", "text": "observations. And the real way we're"}, {"end": "01:47:59", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "going to solve these theories is add"}, {"end": "01:48:01", "start": "01:47:57", "text": "more [\u00a0__\u00a0] scientific observations. M"}, {"end": "01:48:03", "start": "01:47:59", "text": ">> and we've seen the capital cost and the"}, {"end": "01:48:05", "start": "01:48:01", "text": "capital allocation for each scientific"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:03", "text": "observation go up by orders of"}, {"end": "01:48:08", "start": "01:48:05", "text": "magnitude. Look at the particle"}, {"end": "01:48:09", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "accelerators. We have how many particles"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:08", "text": "accelerators in the United States? I"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:09", "text": "mean there's there's there's tons of you"}, {"end": "01:48:13", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "can make a really small particle"}, {"end": "01:48:14", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "accelerator in your office. We made one."}, {"end": "01:48:16", "start": "01:48:13", "text": "I don't recommend it. But"}, {"end": "01:48:16", "start": "01:48:14", "text": ">> are you talking about the stuff like"}, {"end": "01:48:17", "start": "01:48:16", "text": "CERN?"}, {"end": "01:48:19", "start": "01:48:16", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. As you get to"}, {"end": "01:48:20", "start": "01:48:17", "text": "CERN, they start to become oh these are"}, {"end": "01:48:22", "start": "01:48:19", "text": "now billion dollar projects. And then we"}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:20", "text": "start looking at things bigger than CERN"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:22", "text": "and they're trillion dollar projects."}, {"end": "01:48:26", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "And then this law of scale almost"}, {"end": "01:48:28", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "applies to everything in the universe."}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:26", "text": "It's something we try to apply to"}, {"end": "01:48:30", "start": "01:48:28", "text": "companies as well. Oh, I want my company"}, {"end": "01:48:32", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "to grow at the same growth rate, right?"}, {"end": "01:48:34", "start": "01:48:30", "text": "We want it to be exponential growth"}, {"end": "01:48:35", "start": "01:48:32", "text": "rate, but the cost of science has also"}, {"end": "01:48:36", "start": "01:48:34", "text": "become exponential."}, {"end": "01:48:38", "start": "01:48:35", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:48:39", "start": "01:48:36", "text": ">> I hope we can change that. I hope we can"}, {"end": "01:48:40", "start": "01:48:38", "text": "actually stop that dead in its tracks"}, {"end": "01:48:42", "start": "01:48:39", "text": "and bring it back because I think we've"}, {"end": "01:48:44", "start": "01:48:40", "text": "seen the lowering of the accessibility"}, {"end": "01:48:47", "start": "01:48:42", "text": "to space. We've seen the lowering of how"}, {"end": "01:48:49", "start": "01:48:44", "text": "we access space. We've seen the lowering"}, {"end": "01:48:50", "start": "01:48:47", "text": "of everything around the science of"}, {"end": "01:48:53", "start": "01:48:49", "text": "space except for doing the actual"}, {"end": "01:48:55", "start": "01:48:50", "text": "science in space. How do we change that"}, {"end": "01:48:56", "start": "01:48:53", "text": "fundamental fundamental theory of it,"}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:55", "text": "right? How do we make that cheaper to go"}, {"end": "01:49:01", "start": "01:48:56", "text": "send up these to get more measurements"}, {"end": "01:49:03", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "on the universe expanding on what the"}, {"end": "01:49:05", "start": "01:49:01", "text": "hell is dark matter? Is there"}, {"end": "01:49:07", "start": "01:49:03", "text": "multiverse? I don't [\u00a0__\u00a0] know. But"}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:05", "text": "those scientists and engineers can set"}, {"end": "01:49:10", "start": "01:49:07", "text": "up instruments to go help us understand"}, {"end": "01:49:12", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "it."}, {"end": "01:49:14", "start": "01:49:10", "text": ">> Well, Matt, we're wrapping up the"}, {"end": "01:49:15", "start": "01:49:12", "text": "interview. So, I do have one question."}, {"end": "01:49:17", "start": "01:49:14", "text": "I've been interviewing a lot of"}, {"end": "01:49:19", "start": "01:49:15", "text": "innovators like you over the p over this"}, {"end": "01:49:22", "start": "01:49:17", "text": "year and uh I just want to know what"}, {"end": "01:49:26", "start": "01:49:19", "text": "what's your advice to future innovators?"}, {"end": "01:49:26", "start": "01:49:22", "text": "My advice to future innovators,"}, {"end": "01:49:32", "start": "01:49:28", "text": "don't [\u00a0__\u00a0] do it."}, {"end": "01:49:34", "start": "01:49:30", "text": "And the reason I say that is is actually"}, {"end": "01:49:35", "start": "01:49:32", "text": "because if you need to listen to my"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:34", "text": "advice, you're you already don't believe"}, {"end": "01:49:39", "start": "01:49:35", "text": "in yourself."}, {"end": "01:49:44", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "Don't don't listen to [\u00a0__\u00a0] anybody."}, {"end": "01:49:46", "start": "01:49:39", "text": "It's really easy, Sean, to sit here"}, {"end": "01:49:47", "start": "01:49:44", "text": "and poke holes in everybody else's"}, {"end": "01:49:50", "start": "01:49:46", "text": "companies. Like I said, as humans,"}, {"end": "01:49:52", "start": "01:49:47", "text": "sometimes it it's really we love to want"}, {"end": "01:49:54", "start": "01:49:50", "text": "to know why people are going to fail."}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:52", "text": "Oh, Elon's going to fail cuz he does"}, {"end": "01:49:58", "start": "01:49:54", "text": "this. Oh, Jeff's going to fail cuz he"}, {"end": "01:49:59", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "does this. Blah blah blah blah blah. You"}, {"end": "01:50:00", "start": "01:49:58", "text": "know what those guys, you know how much"}, {"end": "01:50:03", "start": "01:49:59", "text": "Elon cares about if I think he's going"}, {"end": "01:50:05", "start": "01:50:00", "text": "to fail? Zero. And that's really [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:50:07", "start": "01:50:03", "text": "important that he doesn't give a [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:05", "text": "It's really easy to be a pessimist and"}, {"end": "01:50:12", "start": "01:50:07", "text": "don't build statues of pessimists."}, {"end": "01:50:14", "start": "01:50:09", "text": ">> Mhm. Good, good point. Good point. If"}, {"end": "01:50:16", "start": "01:50:12", "text": "you could see three people on the show,"}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:14", "text": "who would they be? three people on the"}, {"end": "01:50:22", "start": "01:50:16", "text": "show, who would they be?"}, {"end": "01:50:24", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "I think you should get"}, {"end": "01:50:25", "start": "01:50:22", "text": "a real scientist in here to answer all"}, {"end": "01:50:26", "start": "01:50:24", "text": "your scientific questions because I"}, {"end": "01:50:28", "start": "01:50:25", "text": "think they're [\u00a0__\u00a0] awesome. So, I try"}, {"end": "01:50:32", "start": "01:50:26", "text": "to get Kip Thorne"}, {"end": "01:50:34", "start": "01:50:28", "text": ">> or I try to get Lindy Elkins from"}, {"end": "01:50:35", "start": "01:50:32", "text": "Berkeley who runs the psyche mission. I"}, {"end": "01:50:37", "start": "01:50:34", "text": "try to get one of them on the show cuz I"}, {"end": "01:50:38", "start": "01:50:35", "text": "think they could be really cool. They'd"}, {"end": "01:50:39", "start": "01:50:37", "text": "probably sit here and be like, \"Who the"}, {"end": "01:50:40", "start": "01:50:38", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] was that M guy you had? He's an"}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:39", "text": "idiot. Here's how these things really"}, {"end": "01:50:44", "start": "01:50:40", "text": "mean, right?\""}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "Um, no, but I think getting getting"}, {"end": "01:50:47", "start": "01:50:44", "text": "someone really on here that you could"}, {"end": "01:50:48", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "dive into with those at the level of"}, {"end": "01:50:50", "start": "01:50:47", "text": "detail that isn't an engineer, that's a"}, {"end": "01:50:52", "start": "01:50:48", "text": "physicist, I think would be exceptional"}, {"end": "01:50:53", "start": "01:50:50", "text": "because you can go forever and talk"}, {"end": "01:50:55", "start": "01:50:52", "text": "about some of these rabbit holes, but"}, {"end": "01:50:57", "start": "01:50:53", "text": "get a different take on it, right? Get a"}, {"end": "01:51:00", "start": "01:50:55", "text": "different approach to how these work and"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:57", "text": "what you think about."}, {"end": "01:51:04", "start": "01:51:00", "text": "I think you should have,"}, {"end": "01:51:06", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "now you're gonna be better at selecting"}, {"end": "01:51:09", "start": "01:51:04", "text": "this person than me, but I think getting"}, {"end": "01:51:12", "start": "01:51:06", "text": "people that have been in really"}, {"end": "01:51:14", "start": "01:51:09", "text": "interesting situations in times of high"}, {"end": "01:51:16", "start": "01:51:12", "text": "stress are really cool to interview. So,"}, {"end": "01:51:18", "start": "01:51:14", "text": "somebody that's been on missions in war,"}, {"end": "01:51:19", "start": "01:51:16", "text": "right? Like I said, I love listening to"}, {"end": "01:51:21", "start": "01:51:18", "text": "these podcasts of like the old"}, {"end": "01:51:24", "start": "01:51:19", "text": "generation going through and fighting in"}, {"end": "01:51:26", "start": "01:51:21", "text": "the jungles of Vietnam or being in Iraq"}, {"end": "01:51:28", "start": "01:51:24", "text": "and just being able to explain that"}, {"end": "01:51:30", "start": "01:51:26", "text": "there's probably 50% of them are"}, {"end": "01:51:32", "start": "01:51:28", "text": "probably really good about explaining"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:30", "text": "the emotional connection that people"}, {"end": "01:51:36", "start": "01:51:32", "text": "have when those high stress time comes"}, {"end": "01:51:37", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "cuz we're all going to experience high"}, {"end": "01:51:39", "start": "01:51:36", "text": "stress. There's a different level that's"}, {"end": "01:51:40", "start": "01:51:37", "text": "raised to when your life is on the line"}, {"end": "01:51:42", "start": "01:51:39", "text": "and very few people I think experience"}, {"end": "01:51:43", "start": "01:51:40", "text": "that during their lifetime and and live"}, {"end": "01:51:45", "start": "01:51:42", "text": "to see the other side of it. Like those"}, {"end": "01:51:48", "start": "01:51:43", "text": "people can really be exceptional"}, {"end": "01:51:49", "start": "01:51:45", "text": "storytellers when it comes through. The"}, {"end": "01:51:52", "start": "01:51:48", "text": "last person I think you should have on"}, {"end": "01:51:53", "start": "01:51:49", "text": "here is a guy named Victor Vesco."}, {"end": "01:51:54", "start": "01:51:52", "text": ">> Who's that?"}, {"end": "01:51:59", "start": "01:51:53", "text": ">> He's the only triple crown explorer in"}, {"end": "01:52:00", "start": "01:51:54", "text": "human history. So he's been to space."}, {"end": "01:52:02", "start": "01:51:59", "text": "He's been to the bottom of this"}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:52:00", "text": "Mariana's Trench"}, {"end": "01:52:05", "start": "01:52:02", "text": "and he's climbed Mount Everest."}, {"end": "01:52:06", "start": "01:52:04", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"end": "01:52:07", "start": "01:52:05", "text": ">> And he's I don't know if I can talk"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:06", "text": "about what he's doing next, but it's"}, {"end": "01:52:11", "start": "01:52:07", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] cool. And like I just love these"}, {"end": "01:52:12", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "guys who"}, {"end": "01:52:13", "start": "01:52:11", "text": ">> Do you know him?"}, {"end": "01:52:15", "start": "01:52:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Can you get out to me?"}, {"end": "01:52:18", "start": "01:52:13", "text": ">> Absolutely. Absolutely. Victor's"}, {"end": "01:52:19", "start": "01:52:15", "text": "Victor's amazing. Um,"}, {"end": "01:52:22", "start": "01:52:18", "text": "he's one of the few guys that you have"}, {"end": "01:52:23", "start": "01:52:19", "text": "in history that like he has a lot of"}, {"end": "01:52:25", "start": "01:52:22", "text": "money. He's very he's he could do"}, {"end": "01:52:27", "start": "01:52:23", "text": "whatever he wants and he chooses to try"}, {"end": "01:52:30", "start": "01:52:25", "text": "to push the envelope and continue. I"}, {"end": "01:52:31", "start": "01:52:27", "text": "mean, the way I put it honestly is like"}, {"end": "01:52:32", "start": "01:52:30", "text": "there's very few people that do this,"}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:31", "text": "but there's there's a certain subset of"}, {"end": "01:52:36", "start": "01:52:32", "text": "people that are always trying new ways"}, {"end": "01:52:37", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "to find new ways to kill themselves. And"}, {"end": "01:52:38", "start": "01:52:36", "text": "I love those guys cuz they're [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:52:39", "start": "01:52:37", "text": "awesome, right? Because they're the ones"}, {"end": "01:52:41", "start": "01:52:38", "text": "that are living on the edge and"}, {"end": "01:52:43", "start": "01:52:39", "text": "exploring. And that's that's a really"}, {"end": "01:52:44", "start": "01:52:41", "text": "cool place to be and uh Victor's one of"}, {"end": "01:52:47", "start": "01:52:43", "text": "them."}, {"end": "01:52:49", "start": "01:52:44", "text": ">> Right on. Well, we'll reach out. And"}, {"end": "01:52:51", "start": "01:52:47", "text": "Matt, I just want to say thank you for"}, {"end": "01:52:53", "start": "01:52:49", "text": "coming on the show. I love I love what"}, {"end": "01:52:55", "start": "01:52:51", "text": "you're doing. It's fascinating and and"}, {"end": "01:52:57", "start": "01:52:53", "text": "uh can't wait to see that thousand kilos"}, {"end": "01:52:58", "start": "01:52:55", "text": "of platinum come back."}, {"end": "01:52:58", "start": "01:52:57", "text": ">> Me as well. Thanks for having me on,"}, {"end": "01:53:00", "start": "01:52:58", "text": "man."}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:58", "text": ">> You're welcome. Cheers."}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:53:00", "text": ">> Appreciate it."}, {"end": "01:53:12", "start": "01:53:06", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:13", "text": "No matter where you're watching Shawn"}, {"end": "01:53:19", "start": "01:53:15", "text": "Ryan Show from, if you get anything out"}, {"end": "01:53:22", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "of this, please like, comment,"}, {"end": "01:53:25", "start": "01:53:19", "text": "subscribe, and most importantly, share"}, {"end": "01:53:28", "start": "01:53:22", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. And if"}, {"end": "01:53:31", "start": "01:53:25", "text": "you're feeling extra generous, please"}, {"end": "01:53:33", "start": "01:53:28", "text": "leave us a review on Apple and Spotify"}, {"end": "01:53:33", "start": "01:53:31", "text": "podcasts."}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "the guy with the daughter in the"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "bathtub. What happened? So,"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": ">> that's Nathan Larson. After I hacked his"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "site, after I submitted it to the"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "authorities, to all the news stations,"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "he gets arrested with a 12-year-old"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "girl. I don't think he got charged with,"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "but he got the kidnapping charge. Nathan"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "Larson then went to federal prison for"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "that. To my knowledge, when you're a"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "person like him, you're going to be"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "separated in a federal prison from the"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "regular inmates. Spoiler alert, but"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "Nathan Larson's dead. The reason why"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "he's dead is due to starvation. The news"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "says that it's suicide. If I had to"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "guess, the inmates that were responsible"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "for feeding him just let him starve to"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "death. I believe he deserved every"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "second of that pain."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Tom Spooner, retired master sergeant, 21"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "years in the US Army, 16 of those in"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "special operations, veteran of the Gulf"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "War and the global war on terrorism. 5"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "years in the 82nd as an infantry men,"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "six years in seven special forces group"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "as an 18 Charlie, 10 years in Delta as"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "an operator, assaulter, and sniper. 12"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "combat deployments, one to Afghanistan,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "11 to Iraq. 40 total months of time in"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "combat. That is almost 4 years straight."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "You've been sober for 31 years."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "Congratulations. We've got a lot to talk"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "about."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Why did you go become a Navy Seal?"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "That's a ridiculous thing to do. They"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "just torture you to death in the water."}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Why'd you do it?"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Because I wanted to serve my country in"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "the highest capacity possible."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": ">> So you believed that there was a highest"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "capacity?"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Right. So that was an element of faith."}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "Do you feel that you accomplished"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "something real when you went through the"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "Navy Seal training program?"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": ">> Okay. Why was it real?"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": ">> It was the hardest thing that I've done."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:24", "text": ">> That's right. Was it meaningful?"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": ">> Was it transformative? And it was the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "hardest thing you'd ever done. That's"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "the pathway. The pathway to what's most"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "real is through the hardest things that"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "you can do. Obviously, that's the path"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "of adventure. You're going to put"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "yourself together by shouldering maximal"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "responsibility. Why? Because that causes"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "the best within you to make itself"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "manifest."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Planes are falling out of the sky."}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "Things catching on fire. Things falling"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "apart. One of my recent flights, the"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "overhead luggage bin like fell off. It"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "almost seems like they are purposely not"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "innovating. Let's just reuse this old"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "over and over until it falls out of the"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "sky. Why is Boeing literally falling"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "apart? Wright brothers forward to the"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "first jets. Every generation of"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "airplanes was faster than the one that"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "came before it. That was the primary"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "vector of innovation. 1973 we outlaw"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "increases in speed. Where does that"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "leave Boeing? All they can do is improve"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "the design they've already got. If you"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "look at Boeing's latest jetliner and you"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "squint and you're not an aerospace"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "engineer, it looks just like their first"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "one. Now, think about what that does to"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "kids and what industry they want to work"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "in. When the door is shut to the most"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "exciting innovation, you can't attract"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "the most talented people. So, neither"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "Boeing nor Airbus has built an all-new"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "airliner since 2004. Boeing's the number"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "one US exporter. As you know, we've got"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "a huge problem. We don't make things"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "here anymore. Airplanes one of the last"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "things we still do and we're fumbling"}]

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China is mining"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "helium 3 on the moon which is abundant"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "and could u you know could supply the"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "energy needs of the human race for"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "thousands of years."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "First off, China is not mining helium 3"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "off the back side of the moon for energy"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "right now. It has been theorized there's"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "a couple companies in the United States"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "going after helium 3 mining off the"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "moon."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "So what happens is when you have the"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "solar the solar flux coming through like"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "we have an atmosphere on earth so we"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "don't have this happen on the moon high"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "energy protons will hit those probably"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "saying this wrong and some physicists"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "will yell at me right but some particles"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "from the sun hit the helium atoms on the"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "moon and will create this this isotope"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "helium 3"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "that's what people want to go mine"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "because it it has really good power"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "properties it allows you to cool things"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "really really low and it's theoretically"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "worth a lot of"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "mining asteroids."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "What? Dude, that is so far out there."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Why mining asteroids? What are you"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "getting off of them?"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": ">> So, we're going after what are called"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "the platinum group metals, right? very"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "very critical resource we all use here"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "on Earth, but they're also worth a lot"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "of money. And why asteroids? Well, some"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "of the best ore sources we've ever"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "discovered of the platinum group metals"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "are orbiting us in space. It's a very"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "specific type of asteroid called a metal"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "asteroid that we're going to go after,"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "mine, and bring it back to Earth."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "When we talk about asteroids, be very"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "clear. I'm not talking about all"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "asteroids."}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "I'm only talking about a small"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "percentage of what we think is out"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "which is about 5% that we believe to be"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "these special type of asteroids called"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "metal asteroids. So the real job of"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "astrophor is not do they exist. We know"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "they exist because they hit the planet"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "all the time. We have a good example or"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "concentration of what where we think"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "they are in the universe. In fact NASA"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "is sending a mission to one right now"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "called the Psyche mission. It's freaking"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "awesome mission."}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:33", "text": ">> Wait, what is that? Psyche 16 is a main"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "belt large believed to be Mtype asteroid"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "and NASA about a year and a half ago"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "launched a mission to Psyche 16 called"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "the Psyche mission. It's on its way"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "right now."}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "So, it' be really cool for the first"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "time to actually see one up close. We've"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "never been to one of these up close."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "This will be the first one to go to a"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "metal asteroid. No kidding."}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "I mean, what do you think about all the,"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "you know, this the the stuff that hits"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "the news with these ravidic propulsion"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "systems and things going in the water"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "and coming out and all these sightings?"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "What do you think? what our governments"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "and I don't even mean our government,"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "right? This could be China, this could"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "be Russia, this could be US, this could"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "be any developing nation that's pushing"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "the envelope, but we're all focused on"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "air. I don't think air matters anymore."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "We've seen satellites kind of dominate"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "our ability to get data. We don't really"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "need reconnaissance aircraft anymore."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "Are these just man-made objects that are"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "classified and we don't have access to?"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "Probably. What is the government"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "building in the oceans? If you came to a"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "planet with a civilization that you"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "could just dominate through a will of"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "force, what what would you do, Sean?"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "Would you go hide in the ocean?"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:00", "text": ">> I don't know what I would do. I"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": ">> I tell you what I would do. I'd become"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "the emperor of the world."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Please put a satellite into a black"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "hole. Please put a satellite into a"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "black hole. I want to know what's on the"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "other side."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": ">> I mean, if we did, we wouldn't know,"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "right? This black holes are this, man."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Black holes are such a cool concept."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Then it went through this whole thing of"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "like, hey, if you have infinite gravity"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "and you can draw these math equations"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "that show we should have black holes and"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "then you start to have all these"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "theories, things like hockey radiation."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "Wasn't until recently that we were able"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "to image a black hole. 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And that was a"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "a pretty big moment because it again it"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "goes through what is probably a hundred"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "years of theory."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "Matt Gallowich,"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "co-founder and CEO of Astroforge,"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "pioneering deep space mining company"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "focused on extracting platinum metal"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "groups from asteroids, driven by a"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "vision to act faster and more"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "economically than traditional aerospace"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "giants."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "It takes a lot of guts to take highly"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "technical people and have them kind of"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "throw that away and say, \"I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "go join a small startup and go try to"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "explore the universe for a fraction of"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "the cost.\""}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "3% of global carbon emissions are caused"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "by platinum group metal mining alone"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "because it's so deep, right? Because"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "it's so deep, it's so hard to access. It"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "requires so much to get it out."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "What if I told you a story of the future"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "where we provide it from space at a"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "fraction of the carbon cost to the point"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "where platinum group metal mining on the"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "planet becomes banned?"}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "I'm going to tell you what sketchy"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "checkpoints look like in Afghanistan."}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "They'll have that one little string in"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "the middle of the road on like two"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "bricks on this side and two bricks on"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "this side with that string. And there's"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "a 50 cal over here that's just going to"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "gun everybody down. Oh, and when I say"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "gun everybody down, they'll gun down the"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "other Afghans cuz once they start"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "shooting it ain't going to stop and"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "they'll everybody and then they'll be"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "like, \"Oh, Jean Akmed, you can't with"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "them. You're not going to run it. You're"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "not going to with them, right?\" And they"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "want something, right? So, one of the"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "checkpoints a guy was shaking me down. I"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "just grabbed a dirty blanket kind of off"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "the floor on the bottom of the truck and"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "the guy snatched it from me and like"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "waved us through. So, when we came back"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "through, I bought a bunch of blankets"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "and I just handed blankets to the guys"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "and everyone's like, \"Ah, cuz it's a"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "cold night, middle of the night."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Everybody loved them blankets.\" That's"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "how I got the assault force"}]

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[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Blake Scho, welcome to the show."}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "It's good to be here, Sean. Thank you"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "for having me."}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "It's good to have you. Another"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "innovator. I love being around you guys."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "I mean, it just been interviewing a lot"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "of interview a lot of innovators here in"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "uh in recent history. And and man, you"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "guys are just incredible and fascinating"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "and motivating to be around. So, thank"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "you for coming. I I I love what you're"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "doing. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "well, thank you and it's honored to be"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "I got a question. How How long did it"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "take you to get here from Denver?"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "It's about 2 hours and 10 minutes."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "2 hours and 10 minutes?"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "If all the flights are about that long,"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "we we we'd be doing okay."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "You're not flying on the new on the new"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "uh jet, huh?"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "Uh not yet. You know, we uh uh I have"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "committed I will be in the first test"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "flight myself. Uh, so that that I'm very"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "much looking forward to. And I I I joke"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "so we just finished with our our XB1."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "It's sort of our 1/3 scale demonstrator"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "airplane. And I'd love to go, you know,"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "hotwire that thing and make it my own"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "personal airplane. I'll bet you and just"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "about everybody else would love that."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "But um, well, hey, I want to get in, uh,"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "to how you got into this and all about"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "what you're doing right now. But first,"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "every guest starts off with an"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "introduction here. So Blake Schul, the"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "founder of Boom Supersonic, a company"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "you started in 2014 to bring supersonic"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "air travel back to the mainstream,"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "challenged a 52year-old ban on"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "supersonic flight over land, helping to"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "reverse it in just 115 days. A"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "self-taught leader behind the world's"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "first independently developed supersonic"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "jet, the XB1, which broke the sound"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "barrier six times this year without an"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "audible sonic boom. the architect of"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "Overure, the fastest airliner in"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "development. Sent to fly,"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "set to fly at Mach 1.7 with 130 orders"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "from major airlines. Earned your private"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "pilots's license in 2008 and an"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "instrument rating in 2011. A former"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "Amazon software engineer who at just 24"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "managed 300 million P&L. Like I said, I"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "love what you're doing. You re you're"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "you are reinventing commercial air"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "travel. Sounds like the XB1 can make Is"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "it from New York to Paris in under four"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "hours?"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "Under four hours."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "That's incredible. That's I'm just"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "Before we get too far, how would this be"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "used for Konis travel or is it only"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "overseas flights?"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "Well Well, now that we've cracked sonic"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "boom"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "um and that the president has now signed"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "an executive order to legalize"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "supersonic flight in the US can be used"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "for Konis, too. So, you can leave you"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "can leave New York at 9:00 a.m. and land"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "in San Francisco at 9:30 a.m. San"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "Francisco time."}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "That's crazy,"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "isn't it? It's going to be so great."}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "That is that's And you know what I love?"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "Uh, when I was going over the outline"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "downstairs, I mean, I love that you you"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "started this in your basement with"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "cardboard cutouts of what you thought it"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "would look like. And now here we are"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "today with the model and the test"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "flights and 130 orders. And it's just I"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "love these stories that that somebody"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "that just started something from"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "scratch. You had no I mean you didn't"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "have any"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "education or you weren't in aerospace."}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "No, I I had no formal training in this."}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "and uh and yet it seems a little surreal"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "like for so on Father's Day I took my"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "dad and uh my my twin boys to the the"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "new R&D facility we're building in"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "Denver and we've got the got our test"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "airplane there and so we opened up the"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "cockpit and I let them all get in it and"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "I was flipping through my phone and you"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "know how it shows you you know photos"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "from way back and there there was one of"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "one of them from 9 years earlier in the"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "plywood and cardboard mockup of that"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "airplane."}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "Oh man. And and I was just looking back"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "at I don't know why any of us believed,"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "you know, I don't know. We somehow"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "believed it ourselves and I don't know"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "how in the world we got anybody else to"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "believe in it. Uh cuz it it looks, you"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "know, quite a bit different from an"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "actual real supersonic jet."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "Man, it's amazing what you're doing. But"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "um everybody gets a gift."}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Thank you."}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "Vigilance Elite Gummy Bears legal in all"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "50 states. Although you don't have to"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "worry about that living in Colorado. So,"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "but uh"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "Thank you. You're welcome. I live in"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Colorado. I told my friends I was doing"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "it to start a company"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "and everyone thought it was going to be"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "a weed company"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "and I I thought, you know, it's actually"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "different kind of getting high people."}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "Different kind of getting high."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "But I've got something for you also. If"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "I could out here."}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "Yeah. So, this is uh"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "this is a pretty special artifact. This"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "is uh that has flew on the first"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "supersonic flight of XB1. So that has"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "gone supersonic."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Oh man, thank you."}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "And so that's that's numbered I think"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "that's number 60."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "There not that many of those."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "It is number 60. Thank you. Very cool."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "Very cool."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "And then one more thing uh before we get"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "going. I have a a Patreon account and uh"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "it's a community of of all the people"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "that have been with me here since the"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "beginning and it just continues to grow"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "and we've grown it into quite the"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "community. And so one of the things I do"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "is I offer them uh the opportunity to"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "ask each and every guest a question. And"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "so this is from Richard Beamer. Blake,"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "what did you learn from working for"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "others like Amazon and Groupon that"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "helped you in your field of supersonic"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "travel?"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Uh, oh boy, so much. Uh, I was, um, so"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "Amazon was my first job out of school,"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and I I'll I'll date myself in this. It"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "was 2001. So, I I was something like"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "engineer number 200 at Amazon. So, it"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "was it was early compared to today, but"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "not ultra ultra early. And it was my"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "first real job. So, I didn't, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "I didn't know what a great company"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "looked like versus crappy company. So, I"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "spent about 5 years there. And"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "ultimately I left feeling you know"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "frustrated with what I thought the"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "problems were. And then after that I was"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "part of a different couple different"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "startups and you know one that I founded"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "and we sold to Groupon. And after having"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "spent time at Groupon um I learned how"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "lucky I was to be at Amazon. The"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "companies all like to say all these"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "great things about themselves you know"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "their principle. They make long-term"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "decisions. They care about their"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "customers etc. etc. The hard part is"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "actually doing the doing the real work."}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "And uh and so when I could look at what"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "Amazon would do versus what Groupon"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "would do, uh again back then just a huge"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "study in contrast of who were actually"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "the long-term thinkers, who were"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "actually principled, who was willing to"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "take short-term pain for the long-term"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "right outcome. And Amazon uh this is"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "really very much Jeff's leadership uh"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "built that and uh and Groupon Groupon"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "didn't have it. I think it's the reason"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "that approximately Groupon doesn't exist"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "anymore."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "You haven't heard of it in years,"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "I have not heard of that. Well, let's"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "move into"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "let's move into I mean, how did you get"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "started? What I mean, you went from"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "Amazon to your company that you sold a"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "group on. How did you get in? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "what is it with aerospace?"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "It's for some of us there's just this"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "magical flight thing and it's a bug that"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "bites us and it never never gets out. I"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "remember taking my first flying lesson"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "uh when I was an intern in college"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "working in the Bay Area and I'll never"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "forget that first takeoff. It was just"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "magical. It was just sort of this"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "experience of"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "holy crap I have my life in my own hands"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "and also I have my life in my own hands."}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "So it was both scary and and empowering"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "and I' I've loved you know loved flight"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "ever since. uh when I was in my 20s"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "working at this startup in Seattle, um"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "there was one of the one of the final"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Concords had uh been put out to the"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "museum there and I went and saw it. 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I think we"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "should have supersonic private jets. But"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "the big the big problem with Concord was"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "it wasn't affordable. And so meanwhile,"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "you know, I'd had this experience of um"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "starting my first company and selling it"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "to Groupon. And it was uh so I I'd been"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "so I've been at Amazon, so I thought I"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "knew e-commerce. And then I'd been at"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "this other startup that was building"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "mobile apps, so I thought I knew mobile."}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "And what everyone tells you is you"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "should work on what you're good at. And"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "so I thought I should work on mobile"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "e-commerce. And so I end up um I I can't"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "say this with a straight face. I built a"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "mobile barcode scanning game."}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "And it's like the least important thing"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "I could possibly work on. Uh and I"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "would, you know, and yet like there's no"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "such thing as an easy startup. You know,"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "I I was worried I'd lose all the"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "investors money. I was uh I was at times"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "super depressed and I'd wake up and"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "think like why did I get into this? You"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "know, how do I get out of it? And so I"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "had a chance to kind of sell the company"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "to Groupon and the investors got their"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "money back in a little bit. Uh you know"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "it was my my escape fantasy had come"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "true."}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "Nonetheless, I had loved that experience"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "of being my own boss of creating"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "something from scratch. And I just"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "figured man I just want to invert every"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "decision I made at that company and and"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "I know I never want to I never want to"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "work on something where I have to ask"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "myself is it worth it?"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "So, uh, after a couple years at Groupon,"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "you know, having gone one level from"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "barcode scanning game to internet"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "coupon, I just couldn't, you know, I I"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "couldn't take any more of those phone"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "calls saying, \"Send more email, Blake.\""}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "Um, and, you know, fired myself. And I"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "thought, you know, let me put all my"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "startup ideas in order of how happy I"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "would be if it worked."}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "How many startup ideas did you have? Uh,"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "I was looking at my notes from this a"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "couple weeks ago because I actually kept"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "a journal back then and there you're"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "probably a couple dozen."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "What were some I'm just curious what"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "were some of the other ideas?"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "Oh, they were terrible."}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "Were they all in aerospace?"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "Some of them were, you know, and like"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "some of them like I had an idea for a"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "better rental car company. Um, I had an"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "the probably the most promising thing I"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "had on the list was a"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "convenienceoriented airline that would"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "fly out of private terminals rather than"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "commercial terminals. And that turn it"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "turned out somebody else did that. That"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "became basically JSX."}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "Oh, good."}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "Um, and I'm a big fan of, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "big fan of that. But I ended up, you"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "know, I ended up saying, I want to just"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "focus on what would be most awesome if"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "it worked and I'll leave everything else"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "aside, including whether I think I"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "personally have any business working on"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "it. Um, I remember telling when I"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "decided I wanted to do Supersonic, I"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "remember calling my mom and telling her"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "and she said, \"Blake, shouldn't you work"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "on something you know something about?"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "and and it's it's what every mom would"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "say, right? Uh because it's the"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "conventional standard advice to work on"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "what you know on know about and I think"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "the actual much better thing is to work"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "on what you love. So if you if you stop"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "any"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "successful entrepreneur like so on the"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "on the day they make it let's say day of"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "IPO uh and you say hey you know of what"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "you know today how much of it did you"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "know on the day you started and I think"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "the answer would be almost none like"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "like you you have to learn the vast"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "majority of how you scale a company and"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "how you lead an organization and how you"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "sell and blah blah blah like everybody"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "has to get reinvented along this journey"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "you're gonna learn 99% new stuff so why"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "not learn 99.5%"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "new off and work on something that you"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "really really love. So, so um so I sort"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "of said, \"Okay, I'm going to look at"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "this supersonic thing and I thought I"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "would get two weeks into it and be done"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "with it.\""}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "That had to be that had to be the"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "intimidation factor had to be pretty"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "high."}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "Oh, absolutely. I mean the the weirdest"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "thing was"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "I mean so I got slightly down path with"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "it over the over a few months of uh"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "expecting that I was going to talk"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "myself out of it. But every time I would"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "go and study something I would just find"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "that the conventional wisdom was wrong"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "and that anybody with a spreadsheet in a"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "web browser could you build a basic"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "model that said you should be able to"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "fly supersonic with today's technology."}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "So I took an airplane design class. I"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "put myself through remedial calculus and"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "physics as I hadn't had any since high"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "school. Uh I remember in the middle of"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "2014 I had a spreadsheet model of the"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "airplane and a spreadsheet model of the"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "market. And I took them both to a"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "professor at Stanford and I said, \"Dude,"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "would you look at this because I don't"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "know what I'm doing, but if my math is"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "right, this is all practical.\" And he"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "looks at it and he clicks around. He"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "says, \"Blake, you know, if you're going"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "to actually consider this, you need to"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "be more aggressive. all your assumptions"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "are conservative."}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "And I remember leaving his office and"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "thinking either I have no courage or I'm"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "going to try to find some great people"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "and go do this. And it was but that was"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "the weirdest part is I'm like who am I"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "to go build a supersonic jet company?"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "And you know I would tell my friends I"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "was looking at it and I could just see"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "their eyes roll back. Um, and I"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "struggled with"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "I struggled with my own ego a lot in"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "that because it's such a bold"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "declaration"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "to say I'm going to go build a"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "supersonic airliner. Um, like if it"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "works, you know, I'm almost"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "definitionally part of history. And so"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "like I'm like declaring to myself and my"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "friends that I I'm going to try to be a"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "historic figure. Like that was really"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "weird. And and I think like man, does"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "this make me somebody really arrogant to"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "even go try this? and I struggled with"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "it. And the I remember thinking back"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "about um Bill Gates's story who had been"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "one of my heroes in high school and he"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "had famously I think in the late 70s"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "said that his goal for Microsoft was to"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "put a personal computer"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "in every home and on every desk running"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "Microsoft software. And he said that in"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "I don't know something like 78."}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "Um, and then he did that and then some."}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "And so I tried to ask myself, what was"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "it like to be Bill Gates and say that,"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "you know, he wouldn't have succeeded if"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "he hadn't gone for it."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "And it wouldn't have happened on one"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "hand. Um, you know, on the other hand,"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "they're probably"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "like I think of it as the dark matter of"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "entrepreneurs."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "the the people who"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "try for big missions and go for it and"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "don't make it and we don't know who they"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "are. Their names are lost to history,"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "but they know who they are and they know"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "they gave it their all. And for me, the"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "choice was I'd rather be embarrassed in"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "front of my friends. I'd rather be in"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "the dark matter of entrepreneurs than be"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "80 or 90 years old looking back and"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "thinking I would have loved to work on"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "supersonic flight. What would have"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "happened if I had tried?"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "Yeah, I can I can I can relate to that"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "in other aspects. Who who was the first"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "person that believed in you?"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "A vichel Gar was at least the first"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "person to say he believed in me. This"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "was somebody I'd gone to high school"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "with uh in Cincinnati who had gone on"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "he'd sold a a company to Facebook. Uh"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "been quite successful in his own right."}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "And I remember I was having lunch with"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "him at the Facebook cafeteria when I was"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "thinking about all this stuff. And I"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "really kind of gave him the pitch and he"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "says, \"Blake, you should do it.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "was like, \"Really? No one else says"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "that.\" And and years later, years later,"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "he told me that he actually thought I"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "was crazy."}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "But he could tell I was just so darn"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "passionate about it, he didn't have the"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "heart to tell me not to."}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "No kidding."}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "Um, and so I think the reality was on"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "day one, nobody believed it. Not even"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "me."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "Wow. How how old were you when you"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "decided to make the shift?"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "33."}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "33 years old."}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "And how how long after you decided to do"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "it did you start the company? And I"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "mean, when did the cardboard cutouts and"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "all that kind of stuff start happening?"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "Yeah, let's see. So, I left Groupon in"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "something like March of 2014 and then we"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "I set the company up on paper in"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "September of that year, but I decided"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "quick."}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "Well, to me that feels slow, but really,"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "uh, yeah, I had in my head that I would"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "take a few, you know, months off, and I"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "think I only took a few weeks off before"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "I really got focused on it. Um,"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "and, uh, around, it was around that"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "time, I was still living in California."}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "I hadn't moved to Denver yet and I I"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "think I had some uh you know folding"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "chairs and some uh you know plastic"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "tubes that I was using in my basement"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "just by myself to try and figure out how"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "small could you make an airliner and uh"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "still have it be comfortable. The the"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "the diameter of these things matters for"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "the fuel efficiency. Uh, and then then I"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "moved to Denver in early 2015, hired our"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "first few people and and one of the"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "first things we did is um, you know, is"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "start building start building mock-ups."}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "And you're doing your own engine. You're"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "doing everything. It's all"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "We're doing our own engines. We're not"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "doing our own everything. 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Um"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "yeah so so it was actually not part of"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "the original plan. Um"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "really?"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "Yeah. So everyone thinks that you know"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "the the point of the whole company was"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "to solve sonic boom and so of course of"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "course we were going to go demonstrate a"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "sonic boom solution. Of course we're"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "going to push for the repeal of the"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "supersonic ban. And that was actually"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "not the plan on day one. The plan on day"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "one was let's let's assume we can't"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "change any regulations"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "and let's keep every the plan as simple"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "as it possibly can be and still find a"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "big enough market. So that was um so"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "what happened was um in January uh so"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "January of this year we did our first"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "supersonic test flight January 28th and"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "in the in the runup to that uh I asked"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "the team I was like hey we're going to"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "go fly supersonic we should probably"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "know what kind of sonic boom we're going"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "to make"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "uh so we can expect it set people's"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "expectations be able to talk about it"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "you know and I kind I kind of wanted to"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "be told oh it's going to be a real"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "wallup you know I wanted to enjoy that"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "and the team came back and I said no No,"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "no. You know, we've been talking for"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "years about this thing called mock cutff"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "where the the boom doesn't reach the"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "ground. You don't hear anything. Uh, and"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "we're going to be in mock cutff, so"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "there's not going to be a sonic boom."}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "And I was actually a little"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "disappointed."}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "Uh, so we went, we did that test flight."}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "We broke the sound barrier three times."}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "Three times in mock cut off, boomless"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "condition. Uh, microphones in the ground"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "confirmed it. And then I'm on uh I'm on"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "X and I'm just talking with people. And"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "the the plan had been um you know this"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "is a trans oceanianic airplane. It's not"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "a not not a KNUS airplane"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "and the internet is convinced that we're"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "all about solving sonic boom and I can't"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "convince people that wasn't the point."}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "Um and I remember thinking about wait a"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "minute we did this thing in boomless"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "cruise and this physics called mock cut"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "off that we we can get into how that"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "works. Um"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "and uh and we had looked at it for the"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "overture airliner and decided it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "practical because when we were building"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "on these outsourced engines, it wasn't."}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "You have to in order to do this boomless"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "thing, you have to break the sound"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "barrier at a sufficiently high altitude"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "that the boom can make a U-turn in the"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "sky and never touch the ground. And the"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "the Rolls-Royce engines couldn't do it."}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "So we sort of put it aside as"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "impractical. But meanwhile, we started"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "designing our own engines and optimizing"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "them. And every time I go to these"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "engineering meetings, I was like, well,"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "the transonic Excel altitude just went"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "up 1,000 feet, went up another thousand"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "feet, another thousand feet. And I"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "started thinking, what if the internet"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "is right and I'm wrong? And so we called"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "a emergency Saturday engineering"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "meeting. And I said, team, we've got"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "different engines than last time we did"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "this analysis. We need to rerun the"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "analysis and overture. You can we do"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "boomless cruise? And it took 90 minutes."}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "And they said, thumbs up. It just works."}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "No kidding. And so the next thing I did"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "is I called the marketing team and I"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "said, \"We're going to relaunch the"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "company around Boomless Cruise."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "Everyone's going to think it was the"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "plan all along.\" Uh, but we just figured"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "it out,"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "man. So, why did Let's just go back. I"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "got a lot of questions. Actually, let's"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "talk about a sonic boom and what it is."}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "Yeah. So, a sonic boom is the the sound"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "an airplane makes while it's flying"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "supersonic. You you can think of it as"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "kind of like the wake of a boat."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "You know, boat's going sufficiently"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "fast. It's going to make a wake. The"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "wake's going to propagate outwards and"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "and you notice it when it hits you."}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "And so a a big boat, big boats make a"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "big wake, right? A small boat's going to"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "make a smaller wake. The boat's right"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "next to you. You're going to feel the"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "weight more strongly than if it's uh"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "further away. And a lot of that is the"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "way sonic boom works. Um big big big"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "airplanes are going to make bigger sonic"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "booms. Uh but the further away they are,"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "the less you hear. Um and then there's"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "there's a distinction with with booms"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "that doesn't occur with wakes, which is"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "they they curve as they move. And they"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "do that because there's a temperature"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "gradient in the atmosphere. It's, you"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "know, of course it's cold up high and"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "it's warmer down low. That temperature"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "gradient uh creates a speed of sound"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "gradient. The speed of sound is um"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "higher the warmer it is, okay?"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "Lower the cooler it is. And so the"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "refraction happens when uh whenever a"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "wave moves through something where its"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "speed changes, it it turns in the"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "direction of lower speed. So imagine"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "like you're driving your car and uh your"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "in inside wheels are moving slower than"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "your outside wheels. You're going to"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "turn towards the inside. So that when"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "light refracts, that's why. When sound"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "refracts, that's why. 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And if the bottom of the U never"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "touches the ground, nobody hears any"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "boom."}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "Gotcha. Gotcha."}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "And so this is the this is the easy"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "solution for sonic boom for for 50"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "years. Um, people have talked about it"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "like it's this boogeyman that's going to"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "require, you know, decades of R&D. Turns"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "out this is a software solution. You"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "just need today's weather data and an"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "algorithm and it tells you what speed"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "and altitude to fly and then there's no"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "boom."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "No kidding."}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "It's actually really simple."}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "We can talk about why people have made"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "it out to be a harder problem than it"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "is."}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "Let's do it. I think there is a um so"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "like NASA for example has been working"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "on sonic boom suppression for decades"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "and they've got this R&D airplane called"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "the X59 that they've been working on it"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "for longer than than Boom has existed as"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "a company and it hasn't hasn't flown"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "yet. Um it's and it's they're they're"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "going about this with completely"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "different physics. It's this very long"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "skinny airplane which I think is part of"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "why it hasn't flown yet. It's really"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "hard to make that work. And the idea is"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "if you stretch the airplane out, it kind"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "of spreads the boom out across more"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "time. And so when you hear it, it's"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "quieter."}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "Oh, good."}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "And that that thing can go up to Mach"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "1.4. Uh boomless tops out at about Mach"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "1.3. So they can go very slightly"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "faster. Um but it uh but it's it's"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "that's hard mode. Okay. Well, why do it"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "on hard mode? Well, if it's not really"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "hard, I don't think you can justify the"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "research program."}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "So I think there's this dynamic around"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "some of these R&D type efforts where the"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "the incentive for the people working on"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "them is to make the challenge"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "sufficiently hard that it justifies the"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "program."}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "Interesting. I mean you've had"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "I mean just to start that company I mean"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "you're going up against Boeing."}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "You have the you have the the"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "regulations the speed regulations. What"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "was the speed regulation? It says, \"Thou"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "shalt not exceed Mach 1, the speed of"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "sound.\""}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "I mean,"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "it's a dumb regulation."}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "You've got some hurdles and you have no"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "background in aviation or aerospace and"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "I mean,"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "how did you when you as the founder of"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "the company? I mean, how did you those"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "are some big those are some major"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "hurdles to get over,"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "right? Well, um I remember sitting in my"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "basement and thinking, \"Okay, take take"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "my own ego out of this. Just imagine"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "it's the year 2050.\""}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "And I'm retired and I'm sitting on the"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "beach sipping my ties and I'm reading,"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "you know, aviation history. How do I"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "think it goes?"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "Do I think after 150 years"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "of not doing supersonic Boeing or Airbus"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "finally do it? No, of course not."}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "that history never goes that way. The"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "the big guys never suddenly get"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "enlightened."}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "Okay. Well, do I do I think we're still"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "going subsonic? Gee, I hope not. Okay."}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "So, if we're not going subsonic and"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "Boeing and Airbus didn't do it, how"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "would it happen? And I I just started"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "imagining how that history would go, you"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "know, without without me being part of"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "it. Okay, it'd have to be an effort from"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "outside the industry. uh nobody who'"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "spent their careers at Boeing or Airbus"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "would ever do it because you know they'd"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "have learned all the reasons why it's"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "impossible. It'd have to be somebody"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "from outside the industry. And what"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "would the what would the attributes of"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "that effort have to look like? Uh and"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "what would the what would the leaders of"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "that effort have to look like? Well,"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "you'd have to be incredibly passionate"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "about the mission because it would be"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "long and hard and if you didn't care"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "about it and you were sane, you'd give"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "up. So mission passion, mission"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "orientation would matter. being able to"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "tell the story of why supersonic would"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "matter would be really important because"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "that the only that would be the only way"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "you could get a dream team together and"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "this would need a dream team. And so the"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "the ability to storytell the ability to"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "be persuasive, you know, the ability to"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "be a minnow that gets sharks to come"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "swim with you. You the startup would"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "have to go get these these airlines that"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "are used to buying Boeing and Airbus"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "airplanes to go buy airplanines from"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "airplanes from a startup instead. you"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "know, it it would require this"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "incredible power of of u persuasion, of"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "perseverance. Um,"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "and so I put that aside and I looked in"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "the mirror and I said, you know, do I"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "look like the CEO for this? And the"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "answer was not at all. I I didn't know"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "anything about the industry. Um,"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "and I don't think I could have sold you"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "a dollar bill for 50."}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "And so I said, \"Okay, well, and I and a"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "lot of these things I was really"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "insecure about. I was insecure about"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "networking. I was insecure about sales."}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "Um, and I asked myself, well, what"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "mattered more, my insecurity or my"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "passion for this idea."}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "And and I said, \"Okay, Blake, if you"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "want to actually do this,"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "you have to become that person.\""}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "And I have to have to be willing to"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "reinvent myself. And I have to re do"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "that continuously along the way. And so"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "I sort of set out to be become what my"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "idea was of the right kind of leader for"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "it. Gotcha. Gotcha."}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "Let's talk about So, it sounds like"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "Concord was"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "the main inspiration,"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "correct?"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "Well, it was an existence proof, right?"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "Like, in some ways, I think it requires"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "way more courage to go off and create"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "something of a category that's never"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "existed before."}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "And Concord existed. In fact, it was"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "done in the 1960s. It just wasn't done"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "in a way that made it make any sense."}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "Nobody could afford to fly on it. So, it"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "was sort of dead on arrival. So this was"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "I didn't this was this goes all the way"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "back to the 60s."}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "Concord was established as a joint"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "venture between the French and British"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "governments by treaty in 1962."}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "It first flew in 1969 within months of"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "the moon landing."}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "How who was using it?"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "Uh so British Airways and Air France"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "were the only two airlines that that"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "really operated it for any length of"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "time. And the the the tickets were"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "adjusted for inflation north of $20,000."}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "So this was this is really for the you"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "know royalty and rock stars."}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "Uh who, you know, who could drop a whole"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "lot of coin to to go somewhere really"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "fast. It was just it was not practical"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "the way it was done then."}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "How long did it run for?"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "27 years."}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "27 years."}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "27 years. Yeah. Shut down in 2003."}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "Uh really with no plan to replace it."}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "Why was it shut down? So the proximal"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "cause was it was just too expensive. Um"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "the you know at this point the successor"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "entity of the companies that had made it"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "was Airbus and the you know the market"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "was tiny. It had always been tiny for"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "Concord and they were you know they were"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "having to make spare parts and whatnot."}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "And Air France wasn't making any money u"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "flying it. And so the the story I've"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "heard is that Air France and Airbus kind"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "of got together and said let's just stop"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "doing spare parts for this and then the"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "British will have to stop flying it too"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "and it'll force the whole fleet down."}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "Uh so that that happened you know it was"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "I don't know if the conspiracy theory is"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "exactly true but but the the I think the"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "reality was it died it was still born"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "this was this was an airplane with a"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "hundred seats on it mind you 100"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "uncomfortable seats like you could think"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "they were out of back of Ryan Air or"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "something not not a comfortable airplane"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "$20,000 ticket 100 seats to fill that"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "just doesn't work you can't find 100"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "people that want to drop 20 grand to go"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "somewhere all at the same time. Uh"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "that's why they only ever had 14."}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "Interesting. So 100 seats, $20,000 a"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "ticket, and then so so it was actually"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "the company that deepixed it. It wasn't"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "the regulations."}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "I think it was uh it was not the"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "company. The the French and British"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "governments speced. So, so let's let's"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "uh I think this is a big piece of kind"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "of what went wrong in uh in aerospace in"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "the 1960s, you know. So, one of my"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "controversial opinions is that Concord"}, {"end": "00:34:59", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "killed supersonic flight. It never"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "should have existed and Apollo killed"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "space exploration. It would also should"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "not have gone to the moon in 1969."}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "And you know, a lot of people, you know,"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "and I loved Concord and I loved Apollo,"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "but I don't think they helped us. And if"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "that seems like a crazy thing, just not"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "notice it's 2025 and we can't fly"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "supersonic and we can't land on the"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "moon."}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "So these things that we we were told in"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "the 1960s were the harbingers of great"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "progress"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "didn't pan out the way it was predicted."}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "So why? And I I think the answer is that"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "for the the first 50 years, you know,"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "from the Wright brothers forward,"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "innovation in aerospace was commercially"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "driven. Um, yeah, it was you building a"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "commercial airplane that passengers got"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "to be able to afford to fly on, that"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "airlines won't operate profitably. You"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "know, nobody build a machine unless they"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "at least believed it was going to make"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "economic sense. Um, you know, and then"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "if you're building military machines,"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "they had to make sense for that mission."}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "And so there was a commercial hand"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "saying it's got to make sense or there's"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "a military hand saying it's got to make"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "sense. But either way, something's"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "keeping us grounded. And in the 60s we"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "pivoted to n cold war era national"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "prestige as the motivation. And so so uh"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "there was a Soviet project to create a"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "supersonic airliner. There was a"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "European project to create a supersonic"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "airliner. And there was an American"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "project to create a supersonic airliner"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "uh called the SST. And in all three"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "cases they were government funded and"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "they were government specked. And uh and"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "the result was everybody was building"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "products that show technological"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "superiority, not products that made any"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "commercial sense. So Concord and the"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "Soviet airplane were very similar. Uh"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "the American airplane was going to be"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "300 seats in Mach 3. So it made even"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "less economic sense than Concord did."}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "Um, and then what happened is the the"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "American uh so Congress pulled the plug"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "appropriately on the American supersonic"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "airplane uh Concord and Concordski"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "were still coming and uh and now all of"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "a sudden you it was not obvious uh back"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "then just how economically dead on"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "arrival Concord was going to be. And so"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "then uh America responded trying to"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "protect Boeing by banning supersonic"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "flood over land. That's what it was."}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "That's what it was. This was"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "was to protect Boeing."}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "This was protectionism. It was as as"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "long as Boeing's building a supersonic"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "airplane, it was all fine. That that"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "project gets canceled and all of a"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "sudden we can't have that sonic stuff."}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "It's terrible."}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "And I I think the real tell was if it"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "had been about sonic boom being bad, it"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "would have been a noise limit,"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "not a speed limit. Literally, it banned"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "supersonic flight."}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "in the US."}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "Why would the government be protecting"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "Boeing"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "regulatory capture"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "just"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "I mean that happens all the time right"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "that that that I I think an enormous"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "amount of the regulations that we have"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "in any industry today are there to"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "protect the incumbents. So they so what"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "they set up a lobbying they they they"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "lobbyed to out to to put a speed limit"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "in place so that they could have no"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "competitors even knowing that they had"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "no ambition to become a competitor and"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "that in supersonic"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "I mean I don't know exactly how it went"}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "so I'm speculating a bit but you know we"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "had European and Russian government"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:24", "text": "funded projects to build a supersonic"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "airliner the the US taxpayer funding and"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "Boeing to do the same thing had just"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "been pulled"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "and and so I Imagine saying, \"Hey, that"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "that's Boeing saying, \"Hey, that's"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "unfair. You got to protect me from"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "that.\""}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "If you're not going to subsidize me the"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "way the other guys are subsidized, then,"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "you know, then at least block them so"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "they can't do anything here. And and and"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "then there was a the public story was"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "all about, you know, how bad these"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "airplanes were going to be noise-wise"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "and environmentally. And a thing I've"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "come to believe is, you know, every bad"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "regulation tends to have a moral cover"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "story that's believable. you're like,"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "\"Oh, you know, we can't, you know,"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "disturb sleeping babies and break"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "windows.\""}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "Um, and then there's a real motivation,"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "which is Boeing doesn't want to compete"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "with Concord."}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "Um, and which you would never, you know,"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "they would never say out loud. They can"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "only say the other stuff. And so it's"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "it's plausible sounding, but there's a"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "there's a, you know, more sinister"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "actual motivation."}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "And you've been in business for 10"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "A little more than 10."}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "11 years is it'll be 11 in September."}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "Yeah. So 11 years and just in the past"}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "115 days you were able to get that ban."}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "So I mean how how were you how did you"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "get around that for the first 10 years?"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "Um well we had a business plan that"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "didn't need it. Uh as it turns out there"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "are about 600 routes around the planet"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "that are uh primarily trans oceanic. you"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "know, not just New York, London, but"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "Miami to Madrid and Seattle to Tokyo and"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "LA to Sydney where most of the flying's"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "over water where there is no speed"}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "limit."}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "Okay?"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "Right? And so our our our basic idea was"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "well, Concord missed on cost and it"}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "missed on comfort. So we got to solve"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "those problems, but we got to make the"}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "seats nicer and we got to get the cost"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "down to the point that more people can"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "afford to fly it. and and today um I"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "mean there those really nice flatbed"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "seats at the front of the airplane in"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "business or first class for"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "international flights, right?"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "And people pay top dollar 5, 10, 15,"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "sometimes 20 grand to be up there. And"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "that the the whole premise is I hate the"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "flight as long, give me a flying bed so"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "I can sleep through it. But of course,"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "if you make the flight twice as fast,"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "you don't need the bed anymore. The"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "experience could be more like flying"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "first class domestically. And so that"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "the basic idea was can we improve upon"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "the efficiency of Concord enough that"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "people would uh be able to trade a"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "flying bed for a supersonic seat instead"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "and you know and sleep at sleep at home"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "not on the airplane."}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "And and to do that you need a remarkably"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "small improvement versus Concord. Uh"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "like the the math closes at less than"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "10% improvement versus 1960s technology."}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "Now, we've actually we found a lot more"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "than 10%. We put all the extra into"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "making the seats nicer and the airplane"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "more comfortable. Uh but that was the"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "that was the basic idea. And if you just"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "run the math, which for some reason I"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "think I was just the first person who"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "actually ran the math, there was plenty"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "of business, you know, in you know"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "2010s, 2020s, 2030s kind of travel"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "demand in business class on these"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "international routes if you can make the"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "fairs similar to what people were"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "already paying, not stratospheric like"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "Concord. That was the original plan. We"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "didn't need to solve Sonic Boom. We"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "thought we'd do that in version two. But"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "it turned out it was easier than anybody"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "said. And so my my experience getting"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "that, you know, getting that changed was"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "uh so in February 10th, uh we did our"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "second supersonic flight on XB1 and we"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "uh we announced Boomless Cruise. And"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "that that night I flew to uh DC on this"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "horrific flight that should have been"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "supersonic. Um and by the time I landed"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "in DC,"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "I had an invitation to the West Wing."}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "And so we started our lobby campaign"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "that day and uh I I uh tweeted about"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "boomless cruise and Elon had responded"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "and said, \"Yeah, we should get rid of"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "dumb regulations like this.\" Um, so, so"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "we had a we had we had a bunch of people"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "who were supporting it and uh and so I"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "spent time, you know, in the White"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "House. I spent time with Congress. I"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "spent time with the FAA and I basically"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "said, \"Look, if we're proposing to make"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "sonic booms, we'd have to have an"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "argument about are they too loud or"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "not.\" And reasonable people might differ"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "on how loud is too loud and how quiet is"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "quiet enough. But we can do this in a"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "way that there is no audible sonic boom."}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "So there's nothing to disagree about."}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "how was that received?"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "Universally, people were excited. So,"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "there was a a bipartisan bill that got"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "introduced in the House and in the"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "Senate, uh, called the Supersonic"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "Aviation Modernization Act that"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "basically said, \"Hey, FAA, go rewrite"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "your rules so that if you so you can fly"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "supersonic without a boom, you're"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "allowed.\" And, uh, and so that that got"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "introduced very quickly. Um, uh, Senator"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "Bud, uh, introduced it in the, uh, in"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "the Senate and, uh, Representative Troy"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "Nells introduced it in the House. Uh, we"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "had bipartisan support, uh, on the House"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "and, uh, you know, and then, you know,"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "meanwhile, you know, I think the"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "president looked at it and and he's, uh,"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "he loved Concord. There's this beautiful"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "video clip of him talking about how it"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "was the most beautiful airplane ever and"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "never really should have gone away. And,"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "uh, and he said, \"Well, I can do it"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "faster than Congress. time to do an"}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "executive order. And so we did."}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "Nice. Nice. Look, how do you I mean,"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "how do you see your company fitting into"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "the world? I mean, is this going to be"}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "we we kind of talked about it, I think,"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "downstairs. I don't think it was on here"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:08", "text": "yet, but you know, is this going to be"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "Konus? Is it going to be just overseas"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "flights? Would"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "Yeah. Well, I think the"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "who's going to be able to afford it, all"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "this stuff. Well, let's start with a"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "vision and we can work backwards to how"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "we get there."}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "I want to replace subsonic with"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "supersonic for every passenger on every"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "route, at least every long route, you"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "know, for the president all the way down"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "to families is the"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "what's a long route?"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "Anything that's, you know, more than"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "three or four hours today."}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "Uh, you can kind of argue where the"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "threshold is, where the the speed uh"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "speed really makes a big difference. I"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "mean, I haven't found anything in the"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "world I don't think I would be better"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "off faster. think everything's better"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "faster. Uh but for flights, you know,"}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "over three or four hours, uh you can you"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "can argue cutting in half is meaningful."}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "Um so, you know, ultimately if we want"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "to enable more people to go more places"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "more often, we need the flights to be"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "faster. We need to delete, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "terrible hassle and inconvenience that"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "is air travel today. And we need to get"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "the cost down as much as we can so that"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "cost isn't a barrier to actually going."}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "That's so that's the ultimate goal. um"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "you know to you know confine subsonic"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "jets to the you know airplane boneyards"}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "put them in museums where they belong."}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "Um but it'll take a few iterations to"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "get there. So you know o overture which"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "is this this airplane the first one"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "first commercial airplane starts all"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "business class. So you can kind of think"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "of you know if for people who know the"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "Tesla story our XB1 supersonic"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "demonstrator it's kind of like the Tesla"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "Roadster proved you can do it. Okay."}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "Not, you know, the the airplane was"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "really just for a test pilot. Prove we"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "could do it. Prove the technology was"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "there. Okay. The first product is kind"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "of like the Model S. It's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "people can afford to drive a Model S,"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "but not everybody."}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "Uh, and then we take everything we learn"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "from that airplane and we'll build a"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "second generation larger airplane that's"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "even more affordable. And it'll probably"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "take two or three kind of iteration"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "cycles to the point where anybody who"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "wants to fly supersonic will be able to"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "afford to fly supersonic."}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "No kidding. And how many passengers do"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "you think it'll hold?"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "I mean, ultimately there's going to be a"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "whole family of airplanes. Uh the the"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "way you make uh commercial airliner"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "economics work is you need to size the"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "airplane for the market it flies on. So"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "you want bigger airplanes to support"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "city pairs that have more traffic. you"}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "want smaller airplanes to be able to fly"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "between city pairs that have less"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "traffic. Um, so so there'll probably be"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "a whole family of airplanes of different"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "sizes. There's no upper limit to"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "scaling. There is a slight advantage in"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "smaller airplanes because uh they can"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "they can work economically uh on on more"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "direct flights. You know, nobody wants"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "to go to a hub and change airplanes,"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "right? But if you can make an efficient"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "long range airplane with a smaller"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "number of seats on it, then you can"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "connect more cities directly. Uh and"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "that's that's an added speed benefit. So"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "there's going to be a whole family of"}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "airplanes here."}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "Gotcha. Gotcha. And when do you think"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "these will be implemented?"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "Uh our goal is to have the first"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "overture roll out uh in a little over"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "two years in 2027."}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "Uh fly in in 28. Uh our our goal is to"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "be certified in 29 and you know hand"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "over to airlines in 30. So five five"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "years is the goal."}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "Will you be your own airline or will you"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "sell to the airlines?"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "No, we'll we'll sell we we have sold to"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "airlines. So So United was first to"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "announce that they'd put an order in"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "with a non-refundable deposit."}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "Uh American Airlines did the same thing."}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "Uh Japan Airlines was the first to do a"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "pre-order. Um and I I think ultimately"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "every international airline is going to"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "need to have this because it's what"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "their passengers want."}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "So if you don't have it, you're going to"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "be left behind."}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "Mhm. What about what about"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "infrastructure as far as airports? Are"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "they going to need are they going to"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "need longer runways? Is is there only"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "certain airports that can handle a jet"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "like that? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "what are some of the what are some of"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "those kind of hurdles, if there are any?"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "Yeah, we we've worked real hard to make"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "make sure there aren't any. So, any"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "airport that can handle a Boeing trip 7"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "can handle an overture jet."}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "Uh so, it works with existing runways,"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "existing jetways, existing terminals. It"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "can run on sustainable fuel, but can"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "also run on today's fuels. Uh, so this"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "this drops right into the air travel"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "ecosystem that exists today in a way"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "that Concord didn't. Concord needed an"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "extra long runway and you had to it came"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "in really fast and so it was you"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "disruptive for air traffic control."}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "We've been able to solve all those"}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "problems"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "really. What about the pilots? You need"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "specific pilots."}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "Uh, like like any airplane, you got to"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "learn to fly it. Um, and but it'll be"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "like going from a Boeing to an Airbus as"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "far as pilot training. Uh, in fact,"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "probably a little bit easier. Uh, this"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "is the first"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "brand new airliner cockpit in about 40"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "And so, um, if you come out to Denver,"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "it's been 40 years since anyone did a"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "brand new airliner cockpit versus they"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "take the last one and they tweak it."}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "And and so we get to do a fundamental"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "rethink. Uh, and if if you come out to"}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "Denver, we got to get you to fly it. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "we've got we've got a flight simulator"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "and it's so much easier to fly than a"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "Boeing Airbus. It's like going from a"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "Blackberry to an iPhone."}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "No kidding."}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "Like we got rid of all the knobs and"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "switches and buttons except a handful"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "that are really important for safety and"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "everything else is a big touchcreen"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "and uh it's it's really nice and so you"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "don't need you don't need to be some you"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "know hot [\u00a0__\u00a0] military pilot to fly this"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "thing. Uh it's a little scary to say it"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "but you know we we're designing it for"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "the worst pilot. you know just like"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "there's a worst doctor, there's a worst"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "lawyer, there's also a worst airline"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "pilot and uh you know we want to design"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "this such that the the average you know"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "average pilot can succeed."}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "What will the experience be like for the"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "passengers?"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "is it you had mentioned it's all"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "business it's you mentioned I don't know"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:00", "text": "if you were talking about pricing or is"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "it going to be is it going to look like"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "business class?"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "So pricing wise it'll be like what"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "people pay in business class today."}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "Okay. you know, you know, within, you"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "know, nominal fair. I think $5,000 round"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "trip will be very profitable uh on this"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "airplane. I know that's not for"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "everybody, but that's a pretty good"}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "business class price."}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "Is that from is that Konis? Is that"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "okonis?"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "Uh round trip across the Atlantic would"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "be about five. Uh co round trip could be"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "less than that."}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "Um, but on board the airplane, uh, you"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "know, we wanted, so years before I"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "started, Boom, I, you know, I I get on"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "commercial airplanes. I'd look around"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "and I'd think, man, like what if this"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "thing was designed by Steve Jobs and"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "Johnny IV and I and just you notice the"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "number of seams and gaps from the"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "outside of the airplane to the inside of"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "a window. Uh, notice um I mean, I'll say"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "something you and I you can't unsee it"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "once you've heard this. If you look at"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "the the window the underside of the"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "overhead bin in the window seat on every"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "commercial airplane, you'll notice"}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "there's this little brown splotch"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "in every row. Why? So when people stand"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "up, they bump their head and their"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "hairmutz"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "gets on the underside of the bin. And"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "you just look all through these things."}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "They're so thoughtlessly designed."}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "Um, and the the airplane's made by one"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "company and the interior is made by"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "another company and they're kind of just"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "smooshed together. And so we we said"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "we're going to design the airplane and"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "the interior together."}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "Um, and we hired some great designers."}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "Uh, we were very careful to pick ones"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "that had never done an airplane before."}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "We wanted some fresh thinking."}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "And we've got something we haven't"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "revealed yet, but it's uh I'm pretty"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "excited about it. And it's it's"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "something we that would not be possible"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "if we hadn't designed the airplane and"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "the engine together."}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "And if we hadn't designed the airplane"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "and the interior together, both of those"}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "were big unlocks for the kind of cabin"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "we were able to create."}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "When's that getting revealed?"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "Maybe next year. I don't know. We"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "haven't decided yet."}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "We we've we I can show you off the"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "record if you come to Denver. We can let"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "you walk through our passenger"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "experience lab. Put on some VR goggles"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "and see it. It's uh"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "uh I I think people are pretty excited"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "for it."}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "And so, how fast are planes flying"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "today? Let's do miles per hour."}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "Yeah. Well, let's see. So I I I think of"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "these things in terms of percentages of"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "speed of sound, which is it's 75 to 85%"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "of the speed of sound today on a Boeing"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "or Airbus. If if you got a high-end"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "private jet, you can go a little bit"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "faster. Um and then overture will do 1.7"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "Mach. So twice as fast."}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "What is that ground speed?"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "Uh around around 1,200ish. It varies"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "with temperature a little bit. So it's"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "uh it's it's it's substantially faster."}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "Do you feel that when you're in the jet?"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "No. Um the uh uh in the one thing you'll"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "notice when you go supersonic is it's"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "slightly smoother uh and you'll be at a"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "higher altitude so you're above more of"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "the weather."}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "So no nothing."}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "It's completely uneventful. On Concord,"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "uh they had a big screen that would show"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "you the speed and whenever it went"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "through one they they'd celebrate and"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "bring around champagne, make a big deal"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "out of it because otherwise you wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "notice."}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "No kidding. And the the day I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "forward to is when the P I'm sure we'll"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "do that too. Uh the day I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "forward to is when um the passengers"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "say, \"Would you stop with that? I I just"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "want to get back to my movie or my book"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "or my email.\""}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "You know, I want to make supersonic"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "flight boring, but at first we'll make"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "it exciting. Are any airports I mean is"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "there any airports that are giving you"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "guys or may maybe we're not there yet"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "but are they going to give you push back"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "about landing taking off from from"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "I don't think so. I mean, we we've"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "committed that it's not going to be"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "louder than today's airplanes, and we've"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "committed it doesn't require"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "infrastructure upgrades. And so, for the"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "most part, you know, we get calls from"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "airports saying, \"Hey, would you tell us"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "what we need to do because we want to"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "welcome your airplane.\" And and you"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "know, our answer is sit back, relax, you"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "don't have to do anything."}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "It just works."}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "Now, of course, I mean, I'd love to"}, {"end": "00:54:17", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "redesign airports, but we don't need to."}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "Not for supersonic."}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:17", "text": "We don't need that. But um well how how"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "is I mean how are your competitors"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "handling this like Boeing and Airbus?"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "Um I mean they I mean they're fly all"}, {"end": "00:54:35", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "over the place all the time for work and"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "I mean the planes are legitimately"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:35", "text": "falling apart. One of my recent flights"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "the the damn the overhead luggage bin"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "like fell off in the middle of all the"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "luggage fell on the it's just you know"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "you mean if you fly you know what I'm"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "talking about."}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "all outdated planes are falling out of"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "the sky and you know"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "in recent history I mean it's just"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "crash after crash after crash and things"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "catching on fire things falling apart I"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "mean they're not innovating at it it"}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "almost seems like they"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "are purposely not innovating it's just"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "let's just reuse this old [\u00a0__\u00a0] over and"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "over until it falls out of the sky I"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "I think there's some truth to that"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "and then you come around with this."}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "Well, let me first paint a sympathetic"}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "picture here."}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "Wright brothers forward to the first"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "jets, every generation of airplanes was"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "faster than the one that came before it."}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "That was the primary vector of"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "innovation. And then, you know, 1973, we"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "outlaw increases in speed."}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "So, where does that leave Boeing?"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "I mean, yes, in some ways it was an own"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "goal, but let's be sympathetic for a"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "moment. What all they can do is improve"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "the design they've already got. Just"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "iteratively tweak it, right? So, if you"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "look at Boeing's latest jetliner"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "and you squint and you're not an"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "aerospace engineer, it looks just like"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "their first one. It's tube and wing"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "transic airplane. Um,"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "now think about what that does to kids"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "and what industry they want to work in."}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "I think there's a whole generation or"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "two that did not go into aviation"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "because the door was closed to"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "innovation. And heck, I was one of them."}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "I'm not that did not even cross. That's"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "a damn good point."}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "I mean, why why is Boeing, you know,"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "literally falling apart? There are"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "multiple threads to that story. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "one of them is when the door is shut to"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "the most exciting innovation, you can't"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "attract the most talented people. They"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "literally go to other industries."}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "That's a damn good point. I didn't think"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "about that."}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "So, are you getting any push back?"}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "Um, from Boeing or Airbus? Yeah. Well,"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "they've got their own problems to solve."}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "I mean, Boeing So, neither Boeing nor"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "Airbus has built an all-new airliner"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "since 2004."}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "2004, Boeing and Airbus launched the 787"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "and the A350."}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "and and since then they have not done"}, {"end": "00:57:12", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "any all new products. All they've done"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "is take their existing things and tweak"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:12", "text": "them. Airbus has been largely successful"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "at that. Boeing is has been, you know,"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "737 Max has been a famous disaster. Uh"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "and so they've really just Boeing"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "especially just gotten hollowed out. And"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "I you know I hope um I hope they can fix"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "the company."}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "Boeing's the only US maker of airliners."}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "There only two in the world. There's"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "Boeing and Airbus. it and and Boeing is"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "like trying to get out of a"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "self-destructive tail spin."}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "Um, you know, they've they're not doing"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "new products. They're trying to"}, {"end": "00:57:49", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "confidently produce the products they"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "already have"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:49", "text": "and it's uh it's not a good situation."}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "Is this like the days of McDonald"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "Douglas when Boeing acquired them?"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "Yeah, I think that's part of the story,"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "too."}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "There's sort of a um"}, {"end": "00:58:09", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "there was a sort of GE mindset that made"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "its way to Boeing through McDonald"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:09", "text": "Douglas"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "that was kind of the Jack Welch"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "playbook. Um that was okay, you know,"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "the way you succeed in business is to"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "know what Wall Street thinks you're"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "going to do next quarter and beat it by"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "a nickel. And if you if you do that, you"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "know, successfully through whatever"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "minations, you can make the stock price"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "go up and to the right and it and it,"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "you know, it works great until the day"}, {"end": "00:58:35", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "it doesn't. And the, you know, and the"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "the way you do that is by cutting a lot"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:35", "text": "of long-term stuff."}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "And and the so the way Boeing ended up"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "getting run was quarter to quarter. Uh I"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "don't a lot of people say they got too"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "focused on money and so they didn't care"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "about safety."}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "And I don't think that's quite true. If"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "you look at the results of their lack of"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "focus on safety, it was the biggest"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "financial disaster they ever had. They"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "didn't pay off financially. The problem"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "was their their financial focus was"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "short range, not long range. So, so Phil"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "Phil Condid left in um 2004. I think he"}, {"end": "00:59:11", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "was the last good CEO over there. I'm"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "fortunate to have him on our board now."}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:11", "text": "Um and after that, you know, we had"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "people like Jim McNerney who explicitly"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "said, \"Hey, no more moonshots.\""}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "And they meant no more new products. And"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "I remember hearing that at the time and"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "I was in my 20s living in Seattle."}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "Actually, I was living in a building"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "called Concord. Maybe this is my dad."}, {"end": "00:59:33", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "Are you serious?"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "I can't make this up. Uh was a little"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:33", "text": "condo in downtown Seattle at a building"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "called Concord. No E. Uh but I remember"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "reading that from Jim McN and thinking,"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "\"What the heck, dude? You used to be in"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "the literal moonshot business and now"}, {"end": "00:59:48", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "you've just decided to give up.\" And by"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "the way, if you if you can't attract"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:48", "text": "young people before, now you definitely"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "can't attract young people. And if you"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "go"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "15 20 years without developing a new"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "product, you don't have anybody left who"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "knows how to do it."}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "And so the whole thing just devolves. Um"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "so at this point, by the way, we didn't"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "mention, you know, how this is important"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "to the country. Boeing's the number one"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "US exporter."}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "And as as you know, as you know, we've"}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "got a huge problem. We don't make things"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "here anymore. M airplanes one of the"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "last things we still do and we're"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "fumbling that"}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "it's a huge problem."}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "Yeah. Is where's Airbus out of"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "uh Tulus France and they're spread out"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "all over Europe. Yeah. Airbus is like"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "approximately the European government."}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "Gotcha. Gotcha."}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "Well Blake, let's take a quick break and"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "then when we come back we get into some"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "more stuff."}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "Why are elite athletes and high"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "performers using Armor of Colostrum?"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "Because armor colostrum is nature's"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "first whole food with over 400 bioactive"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "nutrients working at the cellular level"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "to help build lean muscle, accelerate"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "recovery, and to fuel performance, all"}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "without artificial stimulants or"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "synthetic junk. 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Hillsdale.edu/srs."}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "All right, Blake, we're back from the"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "break here. And uh something that that I"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "wanted to cover earlier, but I missed"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "it, is lack of lack of traditional,"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "excuse me, lack of traditional"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "credentials was both a hurdle and an"}, {"end": "01:04:04", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "advantage. And so I wanted to kind of"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "get your thoughts on how that I mean, I"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:04", "text": "can see how it would be a hurdle, but"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "I'd like to hear you talk about how how"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "it has been a hurdle."}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "Yeah. Well, I uh I didn't walk in with"}, {"end": "01:04:18", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "any credentials in aerospace at all. I"}, {"end": "01:04:20", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "mean, I had my pilot's license and that"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:18", "text": "was about as close as I got. I remember"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:20", "text": "the early days when I was uh recruiting"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "um you know I I'd fly down to Hawthorne"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "where SpaceX was to try and recruit out"}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "of SpaceX or fly down to Mojave,"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "California to recruit out of u scale"}, {"end": "01:04:37", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "composits and I and I I'd fly my you"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "know little airplane I could fly myself"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:37", "text": "and that was like the only cred I had"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "showing up to these meetings and I"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "remember talking to people and they were"}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "all there was sort of this pattern of"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "like internet guys that want to go start"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "airplane companies."}, {"end": "01:04:53", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "and the the all the airplane guys were"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "used to hearing pitches from internet"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:53", "text": "guys that didn't make any sense. And in"}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "fact, they had a term for it. People"}, {"end": "01:05:05", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "would say, \"Oh, that's fruitc cake.\""}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "Uh, and I remember when I first met with"}, {"end": "01:05:09", "start": "01:05:05", "text": "the guy who ultimately became our first"}, {"end": "01:05:11", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "uh chief engineer"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:09", "text": "and I I sat down. 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So uh you know so I bought uh"}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "every aerospace textbook that was you"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:21", "text": "know used for teaching at the top"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "universities and I I quickly found I"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "couldn't understand them and so I I went"}, {"end": "01:06:33", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "back and I did remedial uh calculus and"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "remedial physics on Khan Academy."}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:33", "text": "I I you know I didn't I didn't remember"}, {"end": "01:06:39", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "anything. I hadn't had any since high"}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:36", "text": "school and I just made my way you know"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:39", "text": "made my way through it over the course"}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:41", "text": "of about uh a year."}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "Um, and so I think, you know, in some"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "ways walking in not knowing anything is"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "a disadvantage, but I think it's"}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "actually mostly an advantage"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "because"}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "I I didn't want to spend a decade of my"}, {"end": "01:07:02", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "life going and getting a new degree"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:07:00", "text": "and then going to work at Boeing or"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:02", "text": "something and trying to learn it that"}, {"end": "01:07:07", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "way. I didn't I didn't want to spend"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "that kind of time. I didn't have that"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:07", "text": "kind of time. So I had to go really"}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "focus myself on first principles and I"}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "wanted to understand the fundamentals"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "and"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "it turns out that focus is incredibly"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "powerful. For example, you want to"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "predict the performance of an airplane."}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "There really only four numbers that"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "matter."}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "There's aerodynamic efficiency, which is"}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "the lift to drag ratio. For every pound"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "of airplane I hold up with my wings, how"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "many pounds of drag do I incur?"}, {"end": "01:07:43", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "That's aerodynamic efficiency, one"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "number. There's engine efficiency,"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:43", "text": "something called thrust specific fuel"}, {"end": "01:07:51", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "consumption. Pounds of thrust or sorry,"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "pounds of fuel per pounds of thrust per"}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:51", "text": "hour. How much fuel does it take to"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "create a pound of thrust and sustain it"}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:54", "text": "for an hour? Um,"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "uh, structural efficiency. What"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "percentage of my overall airplane weight"}, {"end": "01:08:07", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "is the empty weight of the airplane"}, {"end": "01:08:11", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "versus fuel versus people and cargo and"}, {"end": "01:08:14", "start": "01:08:07", "text": "payload? Um, and then last is it speed"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:11", "text": "mock number. And so if you have those"}, {"end": "01:08:17", "start": "01:08:14", "text": "four numbers and you've got the correct"}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "assumptions,"}, {"end": "01:08:20", "start": "01:08:17", "text": "uh, you can set up a mission profile for"}, {"end": "01:08:23", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "an airplane and predict the entire"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:20", "text": "performance of it. Uh, and so you don't"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:23", "text": "have to know. So, so, okay, and"}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "Concord's numbers were all published."}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "How much better than Concord could we"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "do? Uh so all of that thinking it"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:31", "text": "through from first principles mattered"}, {"end": "01:08:37", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "you know or I I think I mentioned"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "earlier that you know one of the other"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:37", "text": "ideas I looked at and didn't do was an"}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "airline and and truth be told I didn't"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "actually have the courage to go double"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "click on supersonic first I thought ah"}, {"end": "01:08:50", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "like there's no way there's no way but"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "you know maybe an airline and so I I"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:50", "text": "built all the financial models for how"}, {"end": "01:08:56", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "an airline worked and that turned out to"}, {"end": "01:08:58", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "be really useful because I understood"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:56", "text": "airline economics and when you go model"}, {"end": "01:09:02", "start": "01:08:58", "text": "about airline economics like the first"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:09:00", "text": "thing you learn is the fill rate on the"}, {"end": "01:09:08", "start": "01:09:02", "text": "seats really matters. Uh a seat that"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "flies empty just adds cost but filling"}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:08", "text": "that seat versus it being empty is like"}, {"end": "01:09:14", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "free revenue. 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I"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:34", "text": "think we were talking about the interior"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "of the airplane and you didn't want to"}, {"end": "01:09:44", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "you didn't want to hire the traditional"}, {"end": "01:09:48", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "designers of the basically"}, {"end": "01:09:49", "start": "01:09:44", "text": "that design the traditional commercial"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:48", "text": "air transportation. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:09:55", "start": "01:09:49", "text": "And that just it registered with me"}, {"end": "01:09:57", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "because I'm in entertainment, you know,"}, {"end": "01:10:00", "start": "01:09:55", "text": "found myself in entertainment, hate"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:57", "text": "entertainment, the the industry and and"}, {"end": "01:10:04", "start": "01:10:00", "text": "I had gotten in involved with managers"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "and agents and all this other [\u00a0__\u00a0] and"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:04", "text": "it wasn't really working for me. And and"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "what I've realized is everybody there"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "seems to be a road map, you know, and"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "everybody follows the exact same"}, {"end": "01:10:16", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "roadmap. You got to come out with this"}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "type of a product, you got to do this,"}, {"end": "01:10:21", "start": "01:10:16", "text": "all these different things. And when I"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "when I started this, I looked at I I"}, {"end": "01:10:26", "start": "01:10:21", "text": "looked at podcasts and and I I was like,"}, {"end": "01:10:29", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "\"Okay, this is what everybody's doing."}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:26", "text": "How could I make what I'm doing as"}, {"end": "01:10:33", "start": "01:10:29", "text": "different as I possibly can and create a"}, {"end": "01:10:35", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "better experience?\" I think I've done"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:33", "text": "that. And then and then, like I said, I"}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:35", "text": "I got involved with entertainment, very"}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "unimpressive industry, uh, by my"}, {"end": "01:10:45", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "standards. And so when I started to"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "scale out the company, which actually"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:45", "text": "was just about six months ago, uh to"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "find somebody to run it, I I looked I if"}, {"end": "01:10:53", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "if entertainment was on your resume, it"}, {"end": "01:10:53", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "went right in the trash."}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:53", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:01", "start": "01:10:53", "text": "And um and so I hired my COO, Eric. Uh"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "he was in the energy sector and and one"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:01", "text": "of my main point to him was do not look"}, {"end": "01:11:08", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "at the do not look at the road"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "entertainment podcast road map. I don't"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:08", "text": "want to do that. I want to do [\u00a0__\u00a0] that"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "I think is cool, that I like, that I"}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "want to do, start new businesses. I"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "don't want this mold."}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:16", "text": "And and"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "very wise."}, {"end": "01:11:20", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "That's the direction that we're heading"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "in now. We have a lot of different"}, {"end": "01:11:25", "start": "01:11:20", "text": "products that are going to be rolling"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "out um later this year that that have"}, {"end": "01:11:29", "start": "01:11:25", "text": "nothing to do with podcasting. Some of"}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "it has to do with tech. I'm really"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:29", "text": "excited about it. But I guess what I'm"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "getting at is none of that would have"}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "happened had I done, you know, the"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "typical road map in the box"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:37", "text": "entertainment podcast type thinking,"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "And and so when you mentioned that about"}, {"end": "01:11:50", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "the interior of the planes, it was like,"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:47", "text": "good job, Sean."}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:50", "text": "You're doing it right. I"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "I think I mean, you could do it the"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "other way and you end up like everybody"}, {"end": "01:11:55", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "else."}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "That's Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:55", "text": "but the world doesn't need more of what"}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "the world's already got. the world needs"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "more of what you and I mean you Sean or"}, {"end": "01:12:05", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "you me or you anybody can uniquely"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "bring."}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:05", "text": "Um so I I don't throw out the road map"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "be focused on facts and be focused on"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:10", "text": "what you know like like Elon said"}, {"end": "01:12:16", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "something years ago that one of his"}, {"end": "01:12:19", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "principles was he wouldn't work on"}, {"end": "01:12:22", "start": "01:12:16", "text": "anything unless he thought it wouldn't"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:19", "text": "happen without him. And there's you"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:22", "text": "could look at that and say what an"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "arrogant ass hat. Uh but I I think"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "there's actually real wisdom in that"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "like what is your unique opportunity to"}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "contribute that otherwise wouldn't"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "happen in the world and focus on that."}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "That's your differentiation and and"}, {"end": "01:12:41", "start": "01:12:36", "text": "don't follow the well-worn path unless"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "you want to you know be a cog."}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:41", "text": "Did you adopt that from the from"}, {"end": "01:12:46", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "inception?"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "Oh yeah. Yeah. I remember feeling very"}, {"end": "01:12:51", "start": "01:12:46", "text": "inspired by that and and and it seems a"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "little weird to say it but I think it's"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:51", "text": "actually true. Nobody else was doing"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "supersonic flight before boom. Uh I've"}, {"end": "01:13:01", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "been working on it for almost 11 years."}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "Still nobody else is doing it. And it I"}, {"end": "01:13:04", "start": "01:13:01", "text": "would like to believe that at some point"}, {"end": "01:13:06", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "it would have happened without me and"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:04", "text": "without Boom, but it's not obvious that"}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:06", "text": "it would have."}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "Wow. Still nobody else is doing this."}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "No, there are a couple people working on"}, {"end": "01:13:16", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "hyper Well, yeah. China announced it"}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:14", "text": "right after we broke the South, right?"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:16", "text": "Go figure."}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "So uh so even you know and we inspired"}, {"end": "01:13:23", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "you for the Chinese But uh no, there's"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "some companies working on hypersonic"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:23", "text": "weapons where their their story is they"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "want to build a hypersonic airliner. Uh"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "but I think the I think they're just"}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "defense companies who were started in an"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "era when defense was not socially"}, {"end": "01:13:37", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "acceptable. And so they had to say that"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "it was a commercial product when really"}, {"end": "01:13:39", "start": "01:13:37", "text": "it wasn't."}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:39", "text": "Maybe maybe they'll make it commercial"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "someday, but no. Nope. Nobody else is"}, {"end": "01:13:47", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "actually building a supersonic airliner."}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "We are the only private company ever to"}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:47", "text": "have built and flown a supersonic jet."}, {"end": "01:13:54", "start": "01:13:49", "text": "And we're the like never it's only been"}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "governments before, you know, this this"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:54", "text": "was like rockets before SpaceX. Nobody"}, {"end": "01:14:01", "start": "01:13:56", "text": "done it outside of outside of"}, {"end": "01:14:03", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "government. Uh it never never had there"}, {"end": "01:14:05", "start": "01:14:01", "text": "been a civilian supersonic jet made in"}, {"end": "01:14:07", "start": "01:14:03", "text": "America."}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:05", "text": "Um so there's there's a lot of lot of"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:07", "text": "first in here."}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "What what do you think it is within the"}, {"end": "01:14:15", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "last decade? I mean it's just we what am"}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "I trying to say here? I guess what I'm"}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:15", "text": "trying to say is, you know, I've been"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "doing a lot of like like I mentioned,"}, {"end": "01:14:22", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "I've been doing a lot of tech"}, {"end": "01:14:26", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "interviews, a lot of especially defense"}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:22", "text": "tech and and you know, I I told you you"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:26", "text": "know through here you I was in the SEAL"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "teams contracted for the CI for the CIA"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "did not see a tremendous amount of"}, {"end": "01:14:40", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "innovation, you know, in in defense"}, {"end": "01:14:42", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "tech. And then"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:40", "text": "let's talk about the last 10 years"}, {"end": "01:14:47", "start": "01:14:42", "text": "though. you have all these other"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "companies. Innovators just seem to be"}, {"end": "01:14:51", "start": "01:14:47", "text": "showing up nowadays when when you you"}, {"end": "01:14:54", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "didn't hear about all you didn't hear"}, {"end": "01:14:56", "start": "01:14:51", "text": "about Palunteer"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:54", "text": "and just interviewed this guy the other"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:56", "text": "day who's making mini nuclear reactors."}, {"end": "01:15:05", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "We got a guy, you know, rain maker cloud"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "seating. I mean, there's just so many"}, {"end": "01:15:10", "start": "01:15:05", "text": "impressive young innovators that are"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "that are that are coming to the table"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:10", "text": "now. What do what do you think yourself?"}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "I mean, you're you're another one of"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "them. And what is it about the past"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "decade or so that that has motivated"}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "tech innovators to start to start"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "innovating? Well, I I could tell my"}, {"end": "01:15:30", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "story of it and I think there's a really"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "interesting perspective that also looks"}, {"end": "01:15:34", "start": "01:15:30", "text": "back from world, you know, from World"}, {"end": "01:15:36", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "War II to today and and what the arc of"}, {"end": "01:15:40", "start": "01:15:34", "text": "that has been. But, you know, for me,"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:36", "text": "you know, so I'm I'm 44. Um, you know, I"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:40", "text": "I I"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "was, you know, it was I I watched the"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "Berlin Wall fall. Uh, I kind of grew up"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "as an adolescent being told that the"}, {"end": "01:15:56", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "world was safe. They were kind of the"}, {"end": "01:15:58", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "post-war era. Um,"}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:56", "text": "and uh, and and so it was like we were"}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:15:58", "text": "like the post-defense era was was my my"}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "assumption"}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "growing up. And then 911 happened."}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "And then Russia invaded Ukraine."}, {"end": "01:16:17", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "And then we've watched China, which was"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "trending free and capitalist, kind of"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "get recaptured by the CCP."}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "And for me, it the the turning point was"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "really uh Russia and Ukraine where I was"}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "like, wait a minute, like the world is"}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "not nearly as safe as I thought it was."}, {"end": "01:16:39", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "and the the we've we've let"}, {"end": "01:16:41", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "we've let the bad countries and and I"}, {"end": "01:16:43", "start": "01:16:39", "text": "think it's important that we say there"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:41", "text": "is such a thing as a bad country"}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:43", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "Uh get powerful"}, {"end": "01:16:52", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "and and so we got to do something about"}, {"end": "01:16:54", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "that and and you know and had I had I"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:52", "text": "been I don't know five years later and"}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:54", "text": "starting Boom maybe Boom would have been"}, {"end": "01:17:00", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "a different company. Uh but you know"}, {"end": "01:17:02", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "fortunately they're really great people"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:17:00", "text": "working on defense tech now."}, {"end": "01:17:06", "start": "01:17:02", "text": "And it's become I think I think there"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "are at least a couple threads recently"}, {"end": "01:17:11", "start": "01:17:06", "text": "that play together here. One one is it's"}, {"end": "01:17:13", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "become um socially acceptable to do a"}, {"end": "01:17:16", "start": "01:17:11", "text": "fence a defense company. It's become"}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:13", "text": "more clear that we need defense tech."}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:16", "text": "And then frankly I think we've got a"}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "resurgence of a belief in America."}, {"end": "01:17:22", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:17:24", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "Whi- which we lost for a good long"}, {"end": "01:17:26", "start": "01:17:22", "text": "while. It was not fashionable to like"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:24", "text": "this country. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:17:29", "start": "01:17:26", "text": "And and so I think that that interplays"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "with like, well, maybe we shouldn't be"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:29", "text": "so surp"}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:41", "text": "we defend the country."}, {"end": "01:17:47", "start": "01:17:42", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even even I mean,"}, {"end": "01:17:51", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "you have all the new I mean, Paul"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:47", "text": "Mlucky, Dino Mukas with Seronic. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:51", "text": "and you know, the other thing that I'm"}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "noticing is everybody, all of these next"}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:55", "text": "generation innovators are bringing all"}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "the manufacturing, including yourself,"}, {"end": "01:18:02", "start": "01:17:58", "text": "back to the United States. I mean, I'm"}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "pretty sure Anduro's doing that."}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:02", "text": "Seronic's doing that."}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "Every single innovator that I've talked"}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "to is"}, {"end": "01:18:15", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "manufacturing in the US that I know of."}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "That I know of. As far as I know."}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:15", "text": "Yeah. I think it's really important,"}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "too. And so how is that happening?"}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "Because [\u00a0__\u00a0] it seemed like four years"}, {"end": "01:18:26", "start": "01:18:21", "text": "ago nobody would talk about that. It was"}, {"end": "01:18:29", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "all going to China,"}, {"end": "01:18:32", "start": "01:18:26", "text": "right? Um well, maybe it makes sense to"}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:29", "text": "start with how we lost it. Uh and I I"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:32", "text": "heard a story recently that was eye"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "opening for me. Um we were we were out"}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "shopping for jet engine parts. We're"}, {"end": "01:18:44", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "we're making our own jet engine. Uh it"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "turns out it's really important to do it"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:44", "text": "that way. And uh and so we're shopping"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "for turbine blades and we're meeting"}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "with some of the the high-tech"}, {"end": "01:18:53", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "manufacturers of turbine blades and and"}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:52", "text": "I said, \"Well, how long does it take to"}, {"end": "01:18:58", "start": "01:18:53", "text": "get one if I gave you the design today?\""}, {"end": "01:19:01", "start": "01:18:55", "text": "They said, \"18 months.\" 18. Why? Why"}, {"end": "01:19:04", "start": "01:18:58", "text": "does it take 18 months? Well, nine of"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:01", "text": "that is just to do the tools, the the"}, {"end": "01:19:10", "start": "01:19:04", "text": "high precision industrial molds."}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:08", "text": "Well, does it take 9 months to make a"}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:10", "text": "mold? Like, what is somebody doing for 9"}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "months? Well, actually, no. Most of that"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "time is you're waiting for your turn"}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "with the tool guy."}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "Okay, why is that? Well, we only have a"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:20", "text": "couple of tool guys left in the country"}, {"end": "01:19:26", "start": "01:19:21", "text": "that know how to do that. Okay, how'd"}, {"end": "01:19:28", "start": "01:19:24", "text": "that happen? And then the the guys"}, {"end": "01:19:31", "start": "01:19:26", "text": "across the table smiled. They said, \"We"}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:28", "text": "got a story for you.\" Started with"}, {"end": "01:19:37", "start": "01:19:31", "text": "Chinese pirating of Western CAD"}, {"end": "01:19:40", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "software. And this is the this is the"}, {"end": "01:19:43", "start": "01:19:37", "text": "high-end software that you use to design"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:40", "text": "stuff on a computer. And uh of course"}, {"end": "01:19:47", "start": "01:19:43", "text": "there's no respect for intellectual"}, {"end": "01:19:49", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "property in China. And so they'd rip off"}, {"end": "01:19:51", "start": "01:19:47", "text": "the software. And this this software is,"}, {"end": "01:19:53", "start": "01:19:49", "text": "you know, don't don't think this is like"}, {"end": "01:19:55", "start": "01:19:51", "text": "a $100 like wind copy of Windows. This"}, {"end": "01:19:58", "start": "01:19:53", "text": "is this is tens of thousands of dollars"}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:55", "text": "per engineer for this high-end custom"}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:58", "text": "software. You need to do these things."}, {"end": "01:20:04", "start": "01:20:00", "text": "And so if you take out 10,000, you know,"}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "multiple tens of thousands of dollars"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:04", "text": "per engineer in cost, forget that"}, {"end": "01:20:10", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "there's a labor cost discrepancy. Just"}, {"end": "01:20:12", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "that alone means it's going to be"}, {"end": "01:20:14", "start": "01:20:10", "text": "cheaper to do the work in China than it"}, {"end": "01:20:15", "start": "01:20:12", "text": "is in the US cuz this we pay for the"}, {"end": "01:20:17", "start": "01:20:14", "text": "software here. They don't pay for it"}, {"end": "01:20:19", "start": "01:20:15", "text": "there. Okay. Now, anybody who wants to"}, {"end": "01:20:21", "start": "01:20:17", "text": "save some money is going to ship their"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:19", "text": "tool work to China."}, {"end": "01:20:25", "start": "01:20:21", "text": "And if your competitor ships their tool"}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "work to China and you don't ship your"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:25", "text": "tool work to China, now you start losing"}, {"end": "01:20:29", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "contracts because you're not"}, {"end": "01:20:31", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "commercially competitive."}, {"end": "01:20:34", "start": "01:20:29", "text": "And so it sort of starts this giant like"}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:31", "text": "sucking of of talent out of, you know,"}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:34", "text": "tool and die design into China."}, {"end": "01:20:42", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "um"}, {"end": "01:20:45", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "and and uh and that you know that only"}, {"end": "01:20:47", "start": "01:20:42", "text": "accelerates with labor cost differences"}, {"end": "01:20:49", "start": "01:20:45", "text": "etc etc and at the same time"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:47", "text": "I don't know why but we told ourselves"}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:49", "text": "in America that manufacturing isn't"}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "important or isn't sexy and it was like"}, {"end": "01:21:01", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "somehow okay to be we don't make things"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "and the most plausible way I can think"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:01", "text": "of this is imagine imagine China wasn't"}, {"end": "01:21:07", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "communist"}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:06", "text": "imagine China was just like another"}, {"end": "01:21:11", "start": "01:21:07", "text": "state."}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "Okay. Would it matter if you know would"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:11", "text": "it matter if in the US all the"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "manufacturing moved to California and in"}, {"end": "01:21:19", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "Tennessee we do software? That'll be"}, {"end": "01:21:19", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "just fine."}, {"end": "01:21:20", "start": "01:21:19", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:21:23", "start": "01:21:19", "text": "You know, law of comparative advantage."}, {"end": "01:21:25", "start": "01:21:20", "text": "Some of that stuff should happen. Uh the"}, {"end": "01:21:26", "start": "01:21:23", "text": "the problem is and I I think there was a"}, {"end": "01:21:27", "start": "01:21:25", "text": "period of time where this was less"}, {"end": "01:21:29", "start": "01:21:26", "text": "obvious. Of course, it's way more"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:27", "text": "obvious now is that China is not a free"}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:29", "text": "country. And and fundamentally I think"}, {"end": "01:21:34", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "that not free countries are a threat to"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:33", "text": "free countries."}, {"end": "01:21:40", "start": "01:21:34", "text": "Um and and so it became very dangerous"}, {"end": "01:21:40", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "that that stuff left."}, {"end": "01:21:46", "start": "01:21:43", "text": "Um and then and then we've done you know"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "so there was that whole side of it and"}, {"end": "01:21:51", "start": "01:21:46", "text": "then and then America"}, {"end": "01:21:52", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "we've done as much I think we've"}, {"end": "01:21:54", "start": "01:21:51", "text": "probably done more damage to ourselves"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:52", "text": "than China did to us."}, {"end": "01:21:59", "start": "01:21:54", "text": "So we've made it really difficult to"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "build here. So you know the speed limit"}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:59", "text": "we talked about before is probably one"}, {"end": "01:22:04", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "of the biggest examples of that. We we"}, {"end": "01:22:06", "start": "01:22:02", "text": "that's the biggest regulatory own goal"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:04", "text": "in history. We ban innovation in"}, {"end": "01:22:09", "start": "01:22:06", "text": "airplanes and then 50 years later we're"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "surprised we can't competently make them"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:09", "text": "anymore."}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "Like that shouldn't surprise anybody."}, {"end": "01:22:16", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "Well, that's the other thing that every"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "single innovator I've brought in here"}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:16", "text": "says is the biggest the biggest hurdle"}, {"end": "01:22:22", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "they have to deal with is the"}, {"end": "01:22:24", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "bureaucracy with the government."}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:22", "text": "It is one way or another."}, {"end": "01:22:28", "start": "01:22:24", "text": "That's right. I mean there there's a way"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "to So we we have found great ways to"}, {"end": "01:22:33", "start": "01:22:28", "text": "work with FAA. like we never had a"}, {"end": "01:22:35", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "regulatory delay on XP1 and and and we"}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:33", "text": "made it teamwork. We found a way to work"}, {"end": "01:22:37", "start": "01:22:35", "text": "on the system. We made friends with the"}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "people there. There a lot of good people"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:37", "text": "at FAA. But but fundamentally a whole"}, {"end": "01:22:44", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "lot of the system we have is really"}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "broken. So give you another story. So we"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:44", "text": "built a factory in North Carolina. Um"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "180,000 foot factory, first supersonic"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:49", "text": "airliner factory in America."}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "It took longer to get the building"}, {"end": "01:22:58", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "permit than it took to build the"}, {"end": "01:23:01", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "factory. took 18 months to get the"}, {"end": "01:23:04", "start": "01:22:58", "text": "building permit. Okay. Well, why? Well,"}, {"end": "01:23:06", "start": "01:23:01", "text": "we had to get a um environmental"}, {"end": "01:23:08", "start": "01:23:04", "text": "approval"}, {"end": "01:23:12", "start": "01:23:06", "text": "on the noise that would be made by the"}, {"end": "01:23:14", "start": "01:23:08", "text": "airplane after we manufactured it"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:12", "text": "in order to say that again."}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:14", "text": "It doesn't make any sense. We had to get"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "approval for how much noise our"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "airplanes were going to make after they"}, {"end": "01:23:24", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "were built in order to build the"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "factory."}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:24", "text": "This makes no sense. And uh you know"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "where does this [\u00a0__\u00a0] even come from?"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "Oh"}, {"end": "01:23:32", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "like was that is that like a written"}, {"end": "01:23:35", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "law?"}, {"end": "01:23:36", "start": "01:23:32", "text": "It is a so there's something called NEPA"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:35", "text": "which is the National Environmental"}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:36", "text": "Policy Act. That was I think probably"}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "one of the worst laws ever. Um and and"}, {"end": "01:23:47", "start": "01:23:41", "text": "it requires pre environmental you know"}, {"end": "01:23:49", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "studies pre-approval of anything that"}, {"end": "01:23:51", "start": "01:23:47", "text": "has federal jurisdiction. Our factory"}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:49", "text": "was on an airport, so there was federal"}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:51", "text": "jurisdiction. So, the FAA administered"}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "it. And the FAA had a a rule that"}, {"end": "01:24:00", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "basically said, well, we don't want you"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:58", "text": "to be able to build anything"}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:00", "text": "uh and later on be able to increase your"}, {"end": "01:24:06", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "footprint. So, anything you might"}, {"end": "01:24:07", "start": "01:24:04", "text": "ultimately do in a facility has to be"}, {"end": "01:24:09", "start": "01:24:06", "text": "approved on the day you build the"}, {"end": "01:24:11", "start": "01:24:07", "text": "facility."}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:09", "text": "Um there they're is just pull on that"}, {"end": "01:24:15", "start": "01:24:11", "text": "thread and all of a sudden we're doing"}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "noise studies on an airplane we haven't"}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:15", "text": "designed yet, let alone built yet where"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "our pledge has been it's not going to be"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "any louder."}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:24:25", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "So it it and I you know and I I tell my"}, {"end": "01:24:27", "start": "01:24:24", "text": "my business friends about this and I'm"}, {"end": "01:24:29", "start": "01:24:25", "text": "complaining about this 18-month process"}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:27", "text": "and some of them are say, \"Are you"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:29", "text": "kidding dude? That's good. You had only"}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "18 months. Like mine was years or"}, {"end": "01:24:39", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "decades.\""}, {"end": "01:24:42", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "And and I think the whole"}, {"end": "01:24:44", "start": "01:24:39", "text": "I think the whole way we do permitting"}, {"end": "01:24:47", "start": "01:24:42", "text": "and the whole way we do regulations"}, {"end": "01:24:51", "start": "01:24:44", "text": "broken. Do you see that changing? I mean"}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:47", "text": "this this is just it's"}, {"end": "01:24:55", "start": "01:24:51", "text": "it just makes me wonder how many more"}, {"end": "01:24:58", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "innovators are out there and how much"}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:55", "text": "farther ahead we would be or could be,"}, {"end": "01:25:03", "start": "01:24:58", "text": "you know, if if these regulations"}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "weren't there. I mean, it's throwing our"}, {"end": "01:25:06", "start": "01:25:03", "text": "country behind. It is"}, {"end": "01:25:08", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "just about every"}, {"end": "01:25:11", "start": "01:25:06", "text": "I I hope that more people talk about it"}, {"end": "01:25:12", "start": "01:25:08", "text": "because there's also a dynamic where you"}, {"end": "01:25:15", "start": "01:25:11", "text": "know if you're if you're regulated by"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:12", "text": "some entity you know you need you need"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:15", "text": "to cooperate with that entity uh in"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:18", "text": "order to actually get stuff done and"}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "then all the pressure is well definitely"}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "don't say anything bad"}, {"end": "01:25:27", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "uh because maybe that would sour a"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:26", "text": "relationship maybe that you know like"}, {"end": "01:25:30", "start": "01:25:27", "text": "like my you know policy people will"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "always say don't you know can't say"}, {"end": "01:25:35", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "anything bad about the entities that"}, {"end": "01:25:37", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "have jurisdiction over for us. Um but I"}, {"end": "01:25:39", "start": "01:25:35", "text": "think I think we just need to talk about"}, {"end": "01:25:42", "start": "01:25:37", "text": "it and I think the system is I think the"}, {"end": "01:25:45", "start": "01:25:39", "text": "system is fundamentally mistaken. Um I"}, {"end": "01:25:47", "start": "01:25:42", "text": "mean so to move forward with anything as"}, {"end": "01:25:48", "start": "01:25:45", "text": "humans we have to take some risk."}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:47", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:48", "text": "Uh so we have to decide what are good"}, {"end": "01:25:56", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "risks and what are bad risks and the way"}, {"end": "01:25:58", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "we have set the system up today is we"}, {"end": "01:26:00", "start": "01:25:56", "text": "have monopolized"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:58", "text": "centrally uh risk decisions. So, you"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:26:00", "text": "know, everybody wants clean air and"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "clean water and food that's safe and"}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "drugs that work and airplanes that don't"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "crash, right? Like, obviously, and uh"}, {"end": "01:26:13", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "okay, but we have to take some risk. So,"}, {"end": "01:26:15", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "who gets to decide? Well, if it's"}, {"end": "01:26:17", "start": "01:26:13", "text": "related to environment, there's an"}, {"end": "01:26:18", "start": "01:26:15", "text": "there's a monopoly called EPA that has"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:17", "text": "that decision. If it's related to"}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:18", "text": "airplanes, there's a monopoly called FAA"}, {"end": "01:26:25", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "that has that decision. Um, if if it's"}, {"end": "01:26:28", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "if we're talking food or drugs, there's"}, {"end": "01:26:31", "start": "01:26:25", "text": "a monopoly called the FDA that has that"}, {"end": "01:26:33", "start": "01:26:28", "text": "jurisdiction. And if they ever approve"}, {"end": "01:26:35", "start": "01:26:31", "text": "anything that doesn't work, they're in"}, {"end": "01:26:38", "start": "01:26:33", "text": "big trouble. And by the way, it happens."}, {"end": "01:26:41", "start": "01:26:35", "text": "You know, FAA approved the 737 Max. Uh"}, {"end": "01:26:44", "start": "01:26:38", "text": "FDA famously approved theomide. And so"}, {"end": "01:26:46", "start": "01:26:41", "text": "if when they let one thing through that"}, {"end": "01:26:48", "start": "01:26:44", "text": "maybe wasn't so good, you know, now"}, {"end": "01:26:50", "start": "01:26:46", "text": "they're in real trouble."}, {"end": "01:26:53", "start": "01:26:48", "text": "If they hold up something that is good"}, {"end": "01:26:55", "start": "01:26:50", "text": "kind of nobody notices. And so it"}, {"end": "01:26:57", "start": "01:26:53", "text": "creates this like asymmetric bias"}, {"end": "01:26:59", "start": "01:26:55", "text": "towards conservatism. And this is not"}, {"end": "01:27:01", "start": "01:26:57", "text": "this is not anything about anybody at"}, {"end": "01:27:02", "start": "01:26:59", "text": "any of these agencies. There are many"}, {"end": "01:27:05", "start": "01:27:01", "text": "great people at these agencies trying to"}, {"end": "01:27:07", "start": "01:27:02", "text": "do good work, but fundamentally the the"}, {"end": "01:27:10", "start": "01:27:05", "text": "incentives are all tilted"}, {"end": "01:27:13", "start": "01:27:07", "text": "and and we've monopolized risk decisions"}, {"end": "01:27:15", "start": "01:27:10", "text": "and and and so that put that aside at"}, {"end": "01:27:18", "start": "01:27:13", "text": "one point. The other the other point is"}, {"end": "01:27:20", "start": "01:27:15", "text": "that in in many cases we have to ask for"}, {"end": "01:27:22", "start": "01:27:18", "text": "permission before we can go do things."}, {"end": "01:27:25", "start": "01:27:20", "text": "Like imagine we drive to work the way we"}, {"end": "01:27:28", "start": "01:27:22", "text": "build factories or airplanes. Well, we'd"}, {"end": "01:27:29", "start": "01:27:25", "text": "have to get permission every day and"}, {"end": "01:27:32", "start": "01:27:28", "text": "show our plan and like, okay, you know,"}, {"end": "01:27:33", "start": "01:27:29", "text": "on this stretch of road, you know, uh,"}, {"end": "01:27:34", "start": "01:27:32", "text": "what speed are you going to drive? Okay,"}, {"end": "01:27:36", "start": "01:27:33", "text": "it's under the speed limit. All right,"}, {"end": "01:27:38", "start": "01:27:34", "text": "you can go. Versus what we actually do"}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:36", "text": "is go drive and if you break the rules,"}, {"end": "01:27:42", "start": "01:27:38", "text": "we enforce the rules."}, {"end": "01:27:46", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "And so, the whole notion of permitting,"}, {"end": "01:27:46", "start": "01:27:42", "text": "I think, needs to be rethought."}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:46", "text": "It's a good point. It's a damn good"}, {"end": "01:27:53", "start": "01:27:48", "text": "point."}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "You know, when when you So, do you see"}, {"end": "01:27:56", "start": "01:27:53", "text": "this? How fast do you see this changing"}, {"end": "01:27:59", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "throughout this administration?"}, {"end": "01:28:01", "start": "01:27:56", "text": "Um because it seems like everybody that"}, {"end": "01:28:02", "start": "01:27:59", "text": "I talked to is they seem really"}, {"end": "01:28:05", "start": "01:28:01", "text": "positive."}, {"end": "01:28:07", "start": "01:28:02", "text": "Yeah, I'm I am s it's gone much better"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:05", "text": "than I thought it would. Uh on uh right"}, {"end": "01:28:12", "start": "01:28:07", "text": "after the election, I I forced myself to"}, {"end": "01:28:14", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "sit down, you know, everyone was"}, {"end": "01:28:15", "start": "01:28:12", "text": "spouting opinions, right? And some"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:14", "text": "people are just going to be glorious."}, {"end": "01:28:18", "start": "01:28:15", "text": "Some people say, you know, we're headed"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "into dictatorship."}, {"end": "01:28:22", "start": "01:28:18", "text": "And I thought, okay, I'm going to force"}, {"end": "01:28:23", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "myself to write down what I really"}, {"end": "01:28:25", "start": "01:28:22", "text": "think. I'm going to make four"}, {"end": "01:28:27", "start": "01:28:23", "text": "predictions and then I'm going to put"}, {"end": "01:28:28", "start": "01:28:25", "text": "them down, put a date on them and I'll"}, {"end": "01:28:29", "start": "01:28:27", "text": "come back and I'll see what I was right"}, {"end": "01:28:31", "start": "01:28:28", "text": "about, what I was wrong about and I'll"}, {"end": "01:28:33", "start": "01:28:29", "text": "try to learn from where I was wrong. And"}, {"end": "01:28:34", "start": "01:28:31", "text": "I I got going I end up writing about 40"}, {"end": "01:28:36", "start": "01:28:33", "text": "predictions. I was like, well, I'll"}, {"end": "01:28:38", "start": "01:28:34", "text": "write enough I'm guaranteed some of"}, {"end": "01:28:39", "start": "01:28:36", "text": "these are wrong. Uh, and I'll get to"}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:38", "text": "learn about it. And you know, and one"}, {"end": "01:28:44", "start": "01:28:39", "text": "thing I wrote down was"}, {"end": "01:28:47", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "there will be deregulation, but it won't"}, {"end": "01:28:47", "start": "01:28:44", "text": "be that significant."}, {"end": "01:28:53", "start": "01:28:48", "text": "Boy, I was wrong. Uh, now are we doing"}, {"end": "01:28:56", "start": "01:28:51", "text": "everything that I wish we would do?"}, {"end": "01:28:59", "start": "01:28:53", "text": "Probably not. But, um, heck, we repealed"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:56", "text": "the supersonic flight ban. And if you"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:59", "text": "look at"}, {"end": "01:29:03", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "115 days,"}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "115 days, right? And that's that's not"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:03", "text": "even the most significant thing. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:29:08", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "it's most significant for supersonic"}, {"end": "01:29:10", "start": "01:29:06", "text": "flight and for me, but if you look at"}, {"end": "01:29:11", "start": "01:29:08", "text": "what's happening out of energy, it's"}, {"end": "01:29:15", "start": "01:29:10", "text": "even more exciting."}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:11", "text": "Yeah. Chris Wright um who I think is"}, {"end": "01:29:19", "start": "01:29:15", "text": "just you know one of the most amazing"}, {"end": "01:29:22", "start": "01:29:16", "text": "leaders we have in DC now our energy"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:19", "text": "secretary uh"}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "worked with the president to get an"}, {"end": "01:29:29", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "executive order that basically zero"}, {"end": "01:29:31", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "baselines regulation and so if you don't"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:29", "text": "renew a regulation it automatically goes"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:31", "text": "away."}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "Nice."}, {"end": "01:29:36", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "That's huge."}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "Nice."}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "Right. And we haven't even started to"}, {"end": "01:29:41", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "see that play out. you know from you"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "know it takes you know these things take"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:41", "text": "a little while to be implemented and"}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "then once they get implemented industry"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "has to respond and then the building has"}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "to actually happen so it takes it takes"}, {"end": "01:29:53", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "a little while but I I think there is a"}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "I don't know if it's a year or three"}, {"end": "01:29:59", "start": "01:29:53", "text": "years there is a big boom of a good kind"}, {"end": "01:30:01", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "about to happen from a lot of that"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:59", "text": "unleashing that that has just barely"}, {"end": "01:30:04", "start": "01:30:01", "text": "started"}, {"end": "01:30:07", "start": "01:30:02", "text": "what do you I mean what do you think"}, {"end": "01:30:09", "start": "01:30:04", "text": "that looks like in by the end of this"}, {"end": "01:30:10", "start": "01:30:07", "text": "term"}, {"end": "01:30:12", "start": "01:30:09", "text": "I don't know if I'm smart enough to"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:10", "text": "predict time scales. It's much easier to"}, {"end": "01:30:17", "start": "01:30:12", "text": "predict the distant future than it is to"}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:15", "text": "predict the near future."}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:17", "text": "Um, I'll tell you what my hope is. My my"}, {"end": "01:30:26", "start": "01:30:20", "text": "my hope is there's enough actual"}, {"end": "01:30:28", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "positive results that people can"}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:26", "text": "understand it, get behind it, and not"}, {"end": "01:30:32", "start": "01:30:28", "text": "reverse it."}, {"end": "01:30:35", "start": "01:30:31", "text": "But time's of the essence. I think"}, {"end": "01:30:38", "start": "01:30:32", "text": "that's I think that's one of the"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:35", "text": "one of my other hopes is that this"}, {"end": "01:30:45", "start": "01:30:38", "text": "pattern of I do one term and I go away"}, {"end": "01:30:47", "start": "01:30:43", "text": "and I come back and I do another term. I"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:45", "text": "I know that wasn't the plan."}, {"end": "01:30:50", "start": "01:30:47", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:30:55", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "It might actually be a really good idea"}, {"end": "01:30:58", "start": "01:30:50", "text": "because you know in the in the time away"}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:55", "text": "um Trump got to rebuild his team. He got"}, {"end": "01:31:03", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "to reflect on everything he learned in"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "his first term, what worked, what hadn't"}, {"end": "01:31:07", "start": "01:31:03", "text": "worked. Uh got to plan, and then they"}, {"end": "01:31:09", "start": "01:31:06", "text": "hit the ground running because four"}, {"end": "01:31:10", "start": "01:31:07", "text": "years is going to go by like that."}, {"end": "01:31:12", "start": "01:31:09", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:31:14", "start": "01:31:10", "text": "And and and and there's a bunch of"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:12", "text": "entrenched resistance to change in in"}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:14", "text": "Washington. Um and and so the more you"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:17", "text": "can just you have good muzzle velocity"}, {"end": "01:31:24", "start": "01:31:20", "text": "right out of the gate, um the more they"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "can get done in four years. That's"}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:24", "text": "another I I would have never have"}, {"end": "01:31:31", "start": "01:31:27", "text": "thought of that. Do you think we'll"}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "start seeing more of that?"}, {"end": "01:31:36", "start": "01:31:31", "text": "I don't know. I mean, I think it takes I"}, {"end": "01:31:38", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "think it takes a very special leader to"}, {"end": "01:31:40", "start": "01:31:36", "text": "say, \"I'm going to run for president."}, {"end": "01:31:42", "start": "01:31:38", "text": "I'm going to win, and then I'm going to"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:40", "text": "walk out of the White House voluntarily"}, {"end": "01:31:49", "start": "01:31:42", "text": "after four years,"}, {"end": "01:31:49", "start": "01:31:45", "text": "but I'll be back."}, {"end": "01:31:51", "start": "01:31:49", "text": "Concept, right?\" I'd like to see"}, {"end": "01:31:54", "start": "01:31:51", "text": "somebody else do it."}, {"end": "01:31:58", "start": "01:31:51", "text": "I would on purpose. That's that's"}, {"end": "01:32:02", "start": "01:31:54", "text": "something I would have never thought of."}, {"end": "01:32:04", "start": "01:31:58", "text": "It's very hard to"}, {"end": "01:32:07", "start": "01:32:02", "text": "I mean my experience before founding"}, {"end": "01:32:10", "start": "01:32:04", "text": "Boom was I would go take on some job or"}, {"end": "01:32:15", "start": "01:32:07", "text": "some mission and I would be 150%"}, {"end": "01:32:17", "start": "01:32:10", "text": "consumed by it and then and then when I"}, {"end": "01:32:19", "start": "01:32:15", "text": "would you know finally after years"}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:17", "text": "change I would go through this intense"}, {"end": "01:32:23", "start": "01:32:19", "text": "period of learning as I reflected back"}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:20", "text": "on the experience I had had and and then"}, {"end": "01:32:29", "start": "01:32:23", "text": "I would be a step level beyond in the"}, {"end": "01:32:31", "start": "01:32:26", "text": "next thing I did and when I started boom"}, {"end": "01:32:34", "start": "01:32:29", "text": "one of the things I I told myself was I"}, {"end": "01:32:36", "start": "01:32:31", "text": "don't get to do that that way anymore uh"}, {"end": "01:32:39", "start": "01:32:34", "text": "is I have got I'm I'm here on day one I"}, {"end": "01:32:42", "start": "01:32:36", "text": "have to be up here"}, {"end": "01:32:44", "start": "01:32:39", "text": "and if if I have to to step away from"}, {"end": "01:32:46", "start": "01:32:42", "text": "the job to learn I'm never going to get"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:44", "text": "there like by definition I was mission"}, {"end": "01:32:49", "start": "01:32:46", "text": "failure I have to figure out how to"}, {"end": "01:32:51", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "learn on the job"}, {"end": "01:32:55", "start": "01:32:49", "text": "and I'm still learning how to learn on"}, {"end": "01:32:56", "start": "01:32:51", "text": "the job uh but I think that you if you"}, {"end": "01:32:58", "start": "01:32:55", "text": "look at an administration that goes for"}, {"end": "01:32:59", "start": "01:32:56", "text": "eight years. Boy, that's on the job"}, {"end": "01:33:01", "start": "01:32:58", "text": "learning and what's got to be one of the"}, {"end": "01:33:05", "start": "01:32:59", "text": "most difficult environments"}, {"end": "01:33:08", "start": "01:33:01", "text": "to do it."}, {"end": "01:33:12", "start": "01:33:05", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about I mean boom"}, {"end": "01:33:13", "start": "01:33:08", "text": "seems it almost seems like a David"}, {"end": "01:33:15", "start": "01:33:12", "text": "versus Goliath story. I mean you're"}, {"end": "01:33:18", "start": "01:33:13", "text": "going up against Boeing and Airbus. I"}, {"end": "01:33:19", "start": "01:33:15", "text": "mean the beginning when Elon started"}, {"end": "01:33:21", "start": "01:33:18", "text": "SpaceX that we got laughed out"}, {"end": "01:33:24", "start": "01:33:19", "text": "everywhere. Now he's can successfully"}, {"end": "01:33:29", "start": "01:33:21", "text": "launch every single day of the week if"}, {"end": "01:33:32", "start": "01:33:24", "text": "he wanted to. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:33:34", "start": "01:33:29", "text": "how was this working for you? I mean,"}, {"end": "01:33:37", "start": "01:33:32", "text": "like I had said, you're an outsider from"}, {"end": "01:33:39", "start": "01:33:34", "text": "the industry. You have 130 orders. I"}, {"end": "01:33:41", "start": "01:33:37", "text": "think there's a lot of speculation if if"}, {"end": "01:33:43", "start": "01:33:39", "text": "a if a company of your size is going to"}, {"end": "01:33:45", "start": "01:33:41", "text": "be able to do those deliverables and the"}, {"end": "01:33:47", "start": "01:33:43", "text": "amount of time allotted and and so what"}, {"end": "01:33:50", "start": "01:33:45", "text": "what do you have to say about that?"}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:47", "text": "Um, I mean, it's David and Goliath, but"}, {"end": "01:33:56", "start": "01:33:50", "text": "Goliath is like asleep."}, {"end": "01:33:58", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "Uh so I think it's a little bit"}, {"end": "01:34:00", "start": "01:33:56", "text": "different for for SpaceX"}, {"end": "01:34:03", "start": "01:33:58", "text": "in that you know they they went into"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:34:00", "text": "space launch which is commodity market"}, {"end": "01:34:06", "start": "01:34:03", "text": "with a big entrenched player and you"}, {"end": "01:34:08", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "know sort of head-to-head competition"}, {"end": "01:34:13", "start": "01:34:06", "text": "with an entrenched player that was very"}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "powerful. Um and we you know we made a"}, {"end": "01:34:17", "start": "01:34:13", "text": "different decision. We went we went to"}, {"end": "01:34:20", "start": "01:34:14", "text": "go do something that nobody was doing."}, {"end": "01:34:22", "start": "01:34:17", "text": "And uh at some point you know will we"}, {"end": "01:34:24", "start": "01:34:20", "text": "see a competitive response? Probably."}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:22", "text": "But, you know, I think a thing I tell"}, {"end": "01:34:29", "start": "01:34:24", "text": "the team every day is, you know, boom"}, {"end": "01:34:32", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "will not die of murder. We're much more"}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:29", "text": "likely to die of suicide."}, {"end": "01:34:36", "start": "01:34:32", "text": "Meaning, we just fail to execute. You"}, {"end": "01:34:39", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "know, we don't get out of our own way."}, {"end": "01:34:41", "start": "01:34:36", "text": "Um, and so we try to we try to self I"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "try to get the team to self-start"}, {"end": "01:34:45", "start": "01:34:41", "text": "actually without a lot of external"}, {"end": "01:34:47", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "competitive pressure. Uh, and then and"}, {"end": "01:34:50", "start": "01:34:45", "text": "your passion for mission ends up being"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:47", "text": "ends up being super important. Um, and"}, {"end": "01:34:53", "start": "01:34:50", "text": "you know, and there's still, you know,"}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "there's still no guarantee of success."}, {"end": "01:34:57", "start": "01:34:53", "text": "You know, statistically, we're probably"}, {"end": "01:34:58", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "something like 90% likely to fail just"}, {"end": "01:35:01", "start": "01:34:57", "text": "because it's what happens with most"}, {"end": "01:35:03", "start": "01:34:58", "text": "businesses. Um, but, uh, there is no"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:35:01", "text": "there's no reason we can't succeed. And"}, {"end": "01:35:08", "start": "01:35:03", "text": "if we get the right people and we give"}, {"end": "01:35:09", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "it our all. Um, e either we succeed or"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:08", "text": "it's because we, you know, we fumbled"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:09", "text": "the ball ourselves."}, {"end": "01:35:18", "start": "01:35:13", "text": "Let's talk about your"}, {"end": "01:35:21", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "actually how long is it going to take to"}, {"end": "01:35:22", "start": "01:35:18", "text": "make these planes from from start to"}, {"end": "01:35:24", "start": "01:35:21", "text": "finish? How fast can you make them?"}, {"end": "01:35:26", "start": "01:35:22", "text": "Yeah, I mean from where we are today,"}, {"end": "01:35:29", "start": "01:35:24", "text": "our goal is to be, you know, in airline"}, {"end": "01:35:31", "start": "01:35:26", "text": "service and in uh under 5 years uh"}, {"end": "01:35:33", "start": "01:35:29", "text": "regular airline service, but but if you"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:31", "text": "mean how long does it physically take to"}, {"end": "01:35:36", "start": "01:35:33", "text": "make an airplane,"}, {"end": "01:35:37", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "um"}, {"end": "01:35:41", "start": "01:35:36", "text": "that's one area where we're putting a"}, {"end": "01:35:43", "start": "01:35:37", "text": "lot of energy into making it better. Um"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:41", "text": "the the aerospace supply chain we have"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:43", "text": "in the US is it's actually one of the"}, {"end": "01:35:50", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "few manufacturing bases that still"}, {"end": "01:35:52", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "exists in this country. Uh a lot of you"}, {"end": "01:35:56", "start": "01:35:50", "text": "know consumer goods have have left for"}, {"end": "01:35:59", "start": "01:35:52", "text": "Asia. Uh textiles, electronics, etc. And"}, {"end": "01:36:01", "start": "01:35:56", "text": "but aerospace has stayed here in part"}, {"end": "01:36:04", "start": "01:35:59", "text": "because"}, {"end": "01:36:06", "start": "01:36:01", "text": "there's a defense element to it and we"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:04", "text": "you know we have not let the defense"}, {"end": "01:36:15", "start": "01:36:06", "text": "pieces you know go to China. Um but but"}, {"end": "01:36:15", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "what we have done is let them get really"}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "for lack of a better word stupid."}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "So um"}, {"end": "01:36:26", "start": "01:36:23", "text": "for for example we go you know we source"}, {"end": "01:36:30", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "some part out of the traditional"}, {"end": "01:36:31", "start": "01:36:26", "text": "aerospace supply chain and uh and they"}, {"end": "01:36:35", "start": "01:36:30", "text": "say okay great you can get your part in"}, {"end": "01:36:36", "start": "01:36:31", "text": "6 months. What 6 months? Uh why does it"}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:35", "text": "take six months? Elon has this thing he"}, {"end": "01:36:40", "start": "01:36:36", "text": "calls the the idiot index,"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:39", "text": "which is like how much does something"}, {"end": "01:36:45", "start": "01:36:40", "text": "cost as a finished part divided by the"}, {"end": "01:36:46", "start": "01:36:42", "text": "raw materials cost. And we have this"}, {"end": "01:36:49", "start": "01:36:45", "text": "thing I think is actually far more"}, {"end": "01:36:50", "start": "01:36:46", "text": "important I call the slacker index."}, {"end": "01:36:52", "start": "01:36:49", "text": "And that the slacker index is how long"}, {"end": "01:36:54", "start": "01:36:50", "text": "it takes to get something divided by how"}, {"end": "01:36:57", "start": "01:36:52", "text": "much time it actually takes to make it."}, {"end": "01:36:58", "start": "01:36:54", "text": "And I'll I'll give you a story. Uh we"}, {"end": "01:37:02", "start": "01:36:57", "text": "were ordering some of these turbine"}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:36:58", "text": "blades uh for our first prototype engine"}, {"end": "01:37:06", "start": "01:37:02", "text": "and it it cost a million dollars for one"}, {"end": "01:37:09", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "engine's worth of blades and it was"}, {"end": "01:37:12", "start": "01:37:06", "text": "going to take 180 days to get them and"}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:09", "text": "these are 3D printed parts. I like okay"}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:12", "text": "how long does it take to actually print"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "a part? Well about 24 hours. Okay, what"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "do we do in the other 179 days?"}, {"end": "01:37:25", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "And uh uh and so we ended up saying"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "we're just going to buy all the"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:25", "text": "production equipment ourselves. Turns"}, {"end": "01:37:30", "start": "01:37:26", "text": "out it was an inventory. We could get it"}, {"end": "01:37:32", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "in a couple weeks a and we could just"}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:30", "text": "print print the parts and and for the"}, {"end": "01:37:35", "start": "01:37:32", "text": "price of two engines worth of parts, we"}, {"end": "01:37:36", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "could buy the machine and make them"}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:35", "text": "ourselves."}, {"end": "01:37:39", "start": "01:37:36", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:37:40", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "And and there's a the but the whole"}, {"end": "01:37:43", "start": "01:37:39", "text": "supply chain is messed up like that."}, {"end": "01:37:46", "start": "01:37:40", "text": "Like you find that um you order some"}, {"end": "01:37:48", "start": "01:37:43", "text": "part and it's got one process step in"}, {"end": "01:37:50", "start": "01:37:46", "text": "South Carolina, then it goes on a truck"}, {"end": "01:37:51", "start": "01:37:48", "text": "to Wisconsin and they do some other"}, {"end": "01:37:53", "start": "01:37:50", "text": "process step and then it goes to"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:51", "text": "California and then it goes back to"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:53", "text": "South Carolina and then to California a"}, {"end": "01:37:56", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "second time."}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:56", "text": "And like this is you know at first I was"}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "like what is going on? Is is this just"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "like stupid? And um by the way, I think"}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:04", "text": "one of the um"}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "one of the principles I've learned along"}, {"end": "01:38:14", "start": "01:38:09", "text": "the way about how to learn is whenever I"}, {"end": "01:38:16", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "see something that looks stupid,"}, {"end": "01:38:17", "start": "01:38:14", "text": "uh you know, it's it's easy to just"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:16", "text": "like, you know, be smug and say, \"What"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:17", "text": "an idiot did that.\" Um"}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:20", "text": "and sometimes sometimes it actually is"}, {"end": "01:38:27", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "stupidity, but sometimes I find if I ask"}, {"end": "01:38:28", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "the question, well, what would what"}, {"end": "01:38:31", "start": "01:38:27", "text": "would have to be going on for this to be"}, {"end": "01:38:33", "start": "01:38:28", "text": "smart or necessary? What might somebody"}, {"end": "01:38:35", "start": "01:38:31", "text": "who's close to this know that I don't"}, {"end": "01:38:37", "start": "01:38:33", "text": "know? And I I find that when I ask that"}, {"end": "01:38:39", "start": "01:38:35", "text": "question, I can often end up with some"}, {"end": "01:38:41", "start": "01:38:37", "text": "interesting discoveries. So, in the case"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:39", "text": "of the supply chain thing and these"}, {"end": "01:38:44", "start": "01:38:41", "text": "parts ping ponging around the country, I"}, {"end": "01:38:45", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "mean, I I could have said, you know, I"}, {"end": "01:38:47", "start": "01:38:44", "text": "could have laughed and shrugged it off"}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:45", "text": "and said, \"How stupid.\" But instead, I"}, {"end": "01:38:51", "start": "01:38:47", "text": "got curious about it and what I realized"}, {"end": "01:38:53", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "was this is an artifact of how defense"}, {"end": "01:38:57", "start": "01:38:51", "text": "procurement works."}, {"end": "01:39:00", "start": "01:38:53", "text": "So postc cold war"}, {"end": "01:39:04", "start": "01:38:57", "text": "um and certainly since post World War II"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:00", "text": "uh we have not had a big urgent need for"}, {"end": "01:39:10", "start": "01:39:04", "text": "military stuff. We've wanted to keep"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "alive a defense industrial base. So all"}, {"end": "01:39:15", "start": "01:39:10", "text": "the defense primes say we need to. We"}, {"end": "01:39:17", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "talk about whether we really need to. Um"}, {"end": "01:39:19", "start": "01:39:15", "text": "and uh and who controls the spending?"}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:17", "text": "Well, Congress does. How do you get the"}, {"end": "01:39:22", "start": "01:39:19", "text": "votes in Congress for your stuff? do it"}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "and do it in the right congressional"}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:22", "text": "districts. And so that the the the"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "lack of urgency for defense procurement"}, {"end": "01:39:32", "start": "01:39:28", "text": "combined with how Congress fundamentally"}, {"end": "01:39:35", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "operates has resulted in there being one"}, {"end": "01:39:37", "start": "01:39:32", "text": "factory in every congressional district"}, {"end": "01:39:39", "start": "01:39:35", "text": "uh for in order to get these big"}, {"end": "01:39:41", "start": "01:39:37", "text": "programs authorized. And so you end up"}, {"end": "01:39:42", "start": "01:39:39", "text": "with a supply chain where you've got all"}, {"end": "01:39:44", "start": "01:39:41", "text": "these like little mom and pop mini"}, {"end": "01:39:45", "start": "01:39:42", "text": "factories and you've got these parts"}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:44", "text": "ping ponging their way around the"}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:45", "text": "country and it's incredibly inefficient."}, {"end": "01:39:53", "start": "01:39:50", "text": "So we should blow all that up"}, {"end": "01:39:55", "start": "01:39:51", "text": "metaphorically and fix it."}, {"end": "01:39:57", "start": "01:39:53", "text": "How did you do that?"}, {"end": "01:40:00", "start": "01:39:55", "text": "I mean, so for being a commercial first"}, {"end": "01:40:02", "start": "01:39:57", "text": "company, you know, we don't need um you"}, {"end": "01:40:04", "start": "01:40:00", "text": "know, we don't need to go pass some big"}, {"end": "01:40:05", "start": "01:40:02", "text": "thing that requires unanimous out of"}, {"end": "01:40:07", "start": "01:40:04", "text": "Congress. So we just let's just go build"}, {"end": "01:40:10", "start": "01:40:05", "text": "efficient stuff. And so we are"}, {"end": "01:40:12", "start": "01:40:07", "text": "ultimately um so we're building a new"}, {"end": "01:40:14", "start": "01:40:10", "text": "R&D center in Denver. And when we're"}, {"end": "01:40:15", "start": "01:40:12", "text": "when we're completely done with that,"}, {"end": "01:40:17", "start": "01:40:14", "text": "every kind of part on the airplane will"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:15", "text": "be able to be made in one roof."}, {"end": "01:40:22", "start": "01:40:17", "text": "Wow. And uh and for our engines, you"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "know, it will ultimately be a facility"}, {"end": "01:40:25", "start": "01:40:22", "text": "that's like raw materials in one side of"}, {"end": "01:40:29", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "the building and jet engines out the"}, {"end": "01:40:32", "start": "01:40:25", "text": "other side. And the uh you can massively"}, {"end": "01:40:33", "start": "01:40:29", "text": "improve time and massively improved cost"}, {"end": "01:40:37", "start": "01:40:32", "text": "just by putting all the production"}, {"end": "01:40:39", "start": "01:40:33", "text": "processes in one physical place. It"}, {"end": "01:40:41", "start": "01:40:37", "text": "doesn't require some like we invented a"}, {"end": "01:40:44", "start": "01:40:39", "text": "new kind of metal. It just put it all in"}, {"end": "01:40:45", "start": "01:40:41", "text": "one building and already that makes a"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:44", "text": "huge difference."}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:45", "text": "And where are your manufacturing"}, {"end": "01:40:50", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "facilities? So, we've got um our"}, {"end": "01:40:53", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "headquarters are in Denver. So,"}, {"end": "01:40:55", "start": "01:40:50", "text": "engineering is there and our sort of R&D"}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:53", "text": "scale manufacturing is in Denver. We've"}, {"end": "01:40:59", "start": "01:40:55", "text": "got a uh engine test site um near Denver"}, {"end": "01:41:00", "start": "01:40:58", "text": "International. We're going to be able to"}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:59", "text": "run all these engines. We we we like"}, {"end": "01:41:04", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "controlling our own manufacturing, our"}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "own engineering, our own test. Uh so, we"}, {"end": "01:41:07", "start": "01:41:04", "text": "don't have to get anybody's permission"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "to go do anything. And then in North"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:07", "text": "Carolina is where we're doing this at"}, {"end": "01:41:13", "start": "01:41:09", "text": "scale. Uh so we have a 180,000 foot uh"}, {"end": "01:41:16", "start": "01:41:12", "text": "facility where we're going to assemble"}, {"end": "01:41:17", "start": "01:41:13", "text": "the first engines uh and where we're"}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:16", "text": "going to assemble the the overture"}, {"end": "01:41:22", "start": "01:41:17", "text": "airliner and we've got a 62 acre campus"}, {"end": "01:41:23", "start": "01:41:20", "text": "there that that when we build that out"}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:22", "text": "we'll be able to do 100 airplanes a"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:23", "text": "year."}, {"end": "01:41:29", "start": "01:41:24", "text": "Wow. What is when is the when are the"}, {"end": "01:41:32", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "130 jets due?"}, {"end": "01:41:34", "start": "01:41:29", "text": "Uh as soon as we can deliver them. Okay."}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:32", "text": "Yeah. Like if we had them in a warehouse"}, {"end": "01:41:39", "start": "01:41:34", "text": "today, you know, the airlines would be"}, {"end": "01:41:40", "start": "01:41:36", "text": "asking for more after that. And uh and"}, {"end": "01:41:42", "start": "01:41:39", "text": "so it's uh it's as soon as we can get"}, {"end": "01:41:45", "start": "01:41:40", "text": "them done and you know my my goal is to"}, {"end": "01:41:47", "start": "01:41:42", "text": "get production ramping starting and you"}, {"end": "01:41:48", "start": "01:41:45", "text": "starting 5 years from now when we prove"}, {"end": "01:41:51", "start": "01:41:47", "text": "the airplane is ready and then we'll"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:48", "text": "scale it as quickly as we can. Uh you"}, {"end": "01:41:55", "start": "01:41:51", "text": "know to be at full rate you know"}, {"end": "01:41:57", "start": "01:41:52", "text": "hopefully um you know cranking 100 jets"}, {"end": "01:41:57", "start": "01:41:55", "text": "you know well within a decade from now."}, {"end": "01:41:59", "start": "01:41:57", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:42:01", "start": "01:41:57", "text": "When I I say that it kills me to say"}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:41:59", "text": "it's going to take a decade. Uh we'll do"}, {"end": "01:42:06", "start": "01:42:01", "text": "this as fast as we possibly can. Do you"}, {"end": "01:42:08", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "see this taking over all commercial"}, {"end": "01:42:10", "start": "01:42:06", "text": "travel in the future?"}, {"end": "01:42:14", "start": "01:42:08", "text": "Anything that's a sufficiently long"}, {"end": "01:42:16", "start": "01:42:10", "text": "distance? I think so. I I think um"}, {"end": "01:42:19", "start": "01:42:14", "text": "I I'm very bullish about the next 10"}, {"end": "01:42:21", "start": "01:42:16", "text": "years of flight. I think over the for"}, {"end": "01:42:23", "start": "01:42:19", "text": "shorter range flights, uh there's a lot"}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:21", "text": "of work happening for vertical takeoff"}, {"end": "01:42:27", "start": "01:42:23", "text": "and landing. you know, companies like"}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "Joby and Archer. Uh, I think I think"}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:27", "text": "there was going to be also some good"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:28", "text": "work in sort of hybrid electric, you"}, {"end": "01:42:34", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "know, mid-range aircraft. You know,"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "think things like, you know, LA, San"}, {"end": "01:42:40", "start": "01:42:34", "text": "Francisco. LA, San Francisco, you're not"}, {"end": "01:42:43", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "going to fly that supersonic. Uh but"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:40", "text": "what you might do is uh have a you know"}, {"end": "01:42:49", "start": "01:42:43", "text": "neighborhood uh vertaport where you can"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "get on a uh an airplane that can take"}, {"end": "01:42:52", "start": "01:42:49", "text": "off and fly you right to the right"}, {"end": "01:42:54", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "neighborhood you go into in LA and say"}, {"end": "01:42:55", "start": "01:42:52", "text": "and you save all the ground time and"}, {"end": "01:42:57", "start": "01:42:54", "text": "you're you know you're subsonic in the"}, {"end": "01:42:58", "start": "01:42:55", "text": "air but you get this big speed up. So I"}, {"end": "01:43:01", "start": "01:42:57", "text": "think there are things like that that"}, {"end": "01:43:04", "start": "01:42:58", "text": "will cover short range and then long"}, {"end": "01:43:07", "start": "01:43:01", "text": "range uh it should be supersonic you"}, {"end": "01:43:08", "start": "01:43:04", "text": "know ultimately for everybody. How how"}, {"end": "01:43:10", "start": "01:43:07", "text": "long does it take to get up to"}, {"end": "01:43:12", "start": "01:43:08", "text": "supersonic speed?"}, {"end": "01:43:15", "start": "01:43:10", "text": "Um 15 20 minutes on a typical flight."}, {"end": "01:43:18", "start": "01:43:12", "text": "How much to slow it down?"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:15", "text": "Oh, uh similar uh"}, {"end": "01:43:22", "start": "01:43:18", "text": "challenges or"}, {"end": "01:43:25", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "not not re uh not really. Uh we we we"}, {"end": "01:43:26", "start": "01:43:22", "text": "did look at the first iteration of the"}, {"end": "01:43:28", "start": "01:43:25", "text": "design. It actually couldn't slow down"}, {"end": "01:43:30", "start": "01:43:26", "text": "fast enough. It was it was too slippery"}, {"end": "01:43:33", "start": "01:43:28", "text": "and so we we did end up putting speed"}, {"end": "01:43:36", "start": "01:43:30", "text": "brakes on the design. Uh so you don't"}, {"end": "01:43:38", "start": "01:43:33", "text": "just kind of glide in forever."}, {"end": "01:43:40", "start": "01:43:36", "text": "Man, I can't wait to be on one of those."}, {"end": "01:43:41", "start": "01:43:38", "text": "Oh, it's going to be so much fun."}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:40", "text": "Have you been on one yet?"}, {"end": "01:43:46", "start": "01:43:41", "text": "Um, so I have I have gone supersonic uh"}, {"end": "01:43:48", "start": "01:43:44", "text": "but in a a fighter trainer. So I I got"}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:46", "text": "to fly along with our test pilots when"}, {"end": "01:43:53", "start": "01:43:48", "text": "they were training to fly our XB1"}, {"end": "01:43:55", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "airplane. So I I I was in back seat of a"}, {"end": "01:43:58", "start": "01:43:53", "text": "of a T-38 uh with our chief test pilot."}, {"end": "01:44:00", "start": "01:43:55", "text": "We took off out of Mojave and uh you"}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:58", "text": "know, he gets it off out of the off the"}, {"end": "01:44:04", "start": "01:44:00", "text": "runway and he says, \"Okay, Blake, your"}, {"end": "01:44:06", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "airplane.\" I'm like, \"Oh, okay. My"}, {"end": "01:44:08", "start": "01:44:04", "text": "controls.\" and we're we're climbing out"}, {"end": "01:44:10", "start": "01:44:06", "text": "towards the the supersonic corridor and"}, {"end": "01:44:11", "start": "01:44:08", "text": "he's like, \"Blake, you got to increase"}, {"end": "01:44:12", "start": "01:44:10", "text": "your climb rate. So, you're going to go"}, {"end": "01:44:14", "start": "01:44:11", "text": "supersonic before you're in the test"}, {"end": "01:44:16", "start": "01:44:12", "text": "space if you don't if you don't kind of"}, {"end": "01:44:18", "start": "01:44:14", "text": "pull back a little bit.\" So, we did"}, {"end": "01:44:20", "start": "01:44:16", "text": "and uh you know, and then uh turned"}, {"end": "01:44:23", "start": "01:44:18", "text": "around and, you know, went I think Mach"}, {"end": "01:44:25", "start": "01:44:20", "text": "1.18 down the corridor. That was"}, {"end": "01:44:27", "start": "01:44:23", "text": "that was fun. I I got a picture of the"}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:25", "text": "mock meter to prove it."}, {"end": "01:44:30", "start": "01:44:27", "text": "And that was uh that was probably one of"}, {"end": "01:44:31", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "the most exciting flights of my life. By"}, {"end": "01:44:33", "start": "01:44:30", "text": "the way, you could can't tell when"}, {"end": "01:44:35", "start": "01:44:31", "text": "you're going supersonic. wouldn't"}, {"end": "01:44:38", "start": "01:44:33", "text": "wouldn't have noticed it. Very smooth."}, {"end": "01:44:42", "start": "01:44:35", "text": "But then we did uh"}, {"end": "01:44:45", "start": "01:44:38", "text": "uh then we did uh two barrel rolls. Uh"}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:42", "text": "uh three aileron rolls, a couple loops."}, {"end": "01:44:47", "start": "01:44:45", "text": "Damn."}, {"end": "01:44:49", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "Uh those were noticeable."}, {"end": "01:44:51", "start": "01:44:47", "text": "You think you'll fly your jet?"}, {"end": "01:44:54", "start": "01:44:49", "text": "Oh, definitely. Yeah. One of my personal"}, {"end": "01:44:55", "start": "01:44:51", "text": "goals is uh to be qualified to fly by"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:54", "text": "the time it's ready to fly."}, {"end": "01:44:58", "start": "01:44:55", "text": "Wow. That's"}, {"end": "01:45:02", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "It's going to require some work, but I'm"}, {"end": "01:45:04", "start": "01:44:58", "text": "up for it."}, {"end": "01:45:06", "start": "01:45:02", "text": "At True Classic, it's never just about"}, {"end": "01:45:08", "start": "01:45:04", "text": "the fit or the fabric. 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Once"}, {"end": "01:47:28", "start": "01:47:23", "text": "again, that's uscca.com/srs."}, {"end": "01:47:33", "start": "01:47:30", "text": "Do it."}, {"end": "01:47:37", "start": "01:47:33", "text": "How about your ethos in your company and"}, {"end": "01:47:40", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "who you're looking to hire and how"}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:37", "text": "you've built your team out?"}, {"end": "01:47:44", "start": "01:47:40", "text": "Yeah. what I've um"}, {"end": "01:47:46", "start": "01:47:42", "text": "we've been through a few iterations on"}, {"end": "01:47:49", "start": "01:47:44", "text": "how we do the team and I I've come to"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:46", "text": "the conclusion that the the the right"}, {"end": "01:47:54", "start": "01:47:49", "text": "the the debate was do you hire young"}, {"end": "01:47:57", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "people who are bold and smart and work"}, {"end": "01:47:59", "start": "01:47:54", "text": "hard uh but are inexperienced or do you"}, {"end": "01:48:01", "start": "01:47:57", "text": "hire been there done that before"}, {"end": "01:48:03", "start": "01:47:59", "text": "professionals and we you know initially"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:01", "text": "we sort of oscillated between those two"}, {"end": "01:48:08", "start": "01:48:03", "text": "we the the the early team was you know"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "that the people that I could convince to"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:08", "text": "join a supersonic jet"}, {"end": "01:48:14", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "headquartered in my basement."}, {"end": "01:48:17", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "Um, so definitionally they had to be"}, {"end": "01:48:19", "start": "01:48:14", "text": "kind of bold and nobody"}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:17", "text": "nobody big and good was going to, you"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:19", "text": "know, work in work in my basement. Uh"}, {"end": "01:48:28", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "and you and then we made a bunch of um"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "kind of first-time mistakes and and we"}, {"end": "01:48:31", "start": "01:48:28", "text": "started we then we made this other"}, {"end": "01:48:32", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "mistake of saying well let's go hire a"}, {"end": "01:48:34", "start": "01:48:31", "text": "bunch of experienced people and we"}, {"end": "01:48:36", "start": "01:48:32", "text": "started bring bringing people in from"}, {"end": "01:48:40", "start": "01:48:34", "text": "big companies uh that thought they knew"}, {"end": "01:48:42", "start": "01:48:36", "text": "how to do this and um uh and then we"}, {"end": "01:48:43", "start": "01:48:40", "text": "started look we we went through a period"}, {"end": "01:48:44", "start": "01:48:42", "text": "of time where we we looked way too much"}, {"end": "01:48:46", "start": "01:48:43", "text": "like a big company not enough like a"}, {"end": "01:48:48", "start": "01:48:44", "text": "startup and where I where I landed on"}, {"end": "01:48:50", "start": "01:48:46", "text": "this I think we finally cracked it. It's"}, {"end": "01:48:53", "start": "01:48:48", "text": "something I call the talent distillery."}, {"end": "01:48:55", "start": "01:48:50", "text": "So what's that? Well, um, we get a bunch"}, {"end": "01:48:57", "start": "01:48:53", "text": "of young spirits,"}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:55", "text": "uh, you pe people just a few years into"}, {"end": "01:49:03", "start": "01:48:57", "text": "their career or right out of school,"}, {"end": "01:49:05", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "smart, driven, hardworking, innovative,"}, {"end": "01:49:06", "start": "01:49:03", "text": "passionate,"}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:05", "text": "and we get just a little bit of I call"}, {"end": "01:49:11", "start": "01:49:06", "text": "it the oak, the people with a bit of"}, {"end": "01:49:13", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "gray hair. Um, uh, to kind of help"}, {"end": "01:49:15", "start": "01:49:11", "text": "contain them a little bit. And, and the"}, {"end": "01:49:17", "start": "01:49:13", "text": "the magic happens when you you got way"}, {"end": "01:49:19", "start": "01:49:15", "text": "more spirits than you've got oak. And,"}, {"end": "01:49:21", "start": "01:49:17", "text": "and there's a little bit of an interplay"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:19", "text": "between the spirits and the oak. the"}, {"end": "01:49:25", "start": "01:49:21", "text": "spirits make the oak better and the oak"}, {"end": "01:49:27", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "infuses a little bit in the spirits"}, {"end": "01:49:28", "start": "01:49:25", "text": "and uh and that turns out to work very"}, {"end": "01:49:30", "start": "01:49:27", "text": "well."}, {"end": "01:49:32", "start": "01:49:28", "text": "So I I can I can tell a story about this"}, {"end": "01:49:34", "start": "01:49:30", "text": "like we did um we did the landing gear"}, {"end": "01:49:36", "start": "01:49:32", "text": "on our XB1 with a team of great"}, {"end": "01:49:38", "start": "01:49:34", "text": "engineers that had never done a landing"}, {"end": "01:49:40", "start": "01:49:36", "text": "gear before and they were you know they"}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:38", "text": "were bold enough and passionate enough"}, {"end": "01:49:45", "start": "01:49:40", "text": "that they were willing to take that on."}, {"end": "01:49:46", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "And it turn it turned out that that um"}, {"end": "01:49:49", "start": "01:49:45", "text": "you know we made a bunch of made a bunch"}, {"end": "01:49:50", "start": "01:49:46", "text": "of mistakes. We kind of we got into this"}, {"end": "01:49:53", "start": "01:49:49", "text": "thing and and we're having trouble"}, {"end": "01:49:54", "start": "01:49:50", "text": "making it work and the mo it's a very"}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:53", "text": "unique landing gear because it's a very"}, {"end": "01:49:59", "start": "01:49:54", "text": "unique airplane. The most similar thing"}, {"end": "01:50:00", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "out there is an F-16. And uh and so we"}, {"end": "01:50:03", "start": "01:49:59", "text": "said, \"Okay, well, we we got to go find"}, {"end": "01:50:04", "start": "01:50:00", "text": "some F-16 landing gear engineers. I"}, {"end": "01:50:07", "start": "01:50:03", "text": "don't care if we have to pull them out"}, {"end": "01:50:08", "start": "01:50:04", "text": "of retirement. Uh we got to just get"}, {"end": "01:50:11", "start": "01:50:07", "text": "them on the phone and ask them how they"}, {"end": "01:50:13", "start": "01:50:08", "text": "did it.\" And so we called up a friend at"}, {"end": "01:50:15", "start": "01:50:11", "text": "the Air Force uh and they said, \"All"}, {"end": "01:50:16", "start": "01:50:13", "text": "right, we're on it.\" 24 hours later, we"}, {"end": "01:50:18", "start": "01:50:15", "text": "were actually on the phone with F-16"}, {"end": "01:50:18", "start": "01:50:16", "text": "landing gear engineers."}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:18", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:50:22", "start": "01:50:18", "text": "And they said, \"Well, did did you put"}, {"end": "01:50:24", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "double pistons in your shock absorbers"}, {"end": "01:50:26", "start": "01:50:22", "text": "or did you just put one?\" And we slapped"}, {"end": "01:50:27", "start": "01:50:24", "text": "our foreheads as double pistons, I don't"}, {"end": "01:50:30", "start": "01:50:26", "text": "know how long it would have taken us to"}, {"end": "01:50:32", "start": "01:50:27", "text": "figure that out. And the and the the"}, {"end": "01:50:35", "start": "01:50:30", "text": "lesson"}, {"end": "01:50:37", "start": "01:50:32", "text": "the lesson I learned from that was it's"}, {"end": "01:50:39", "start": "01:50:35", "text": "totally okay to have a team of great"}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:37", "text": "young people who are driven running at"}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:39", "text": "something but they should call somebody"}, {"end": "01:50:46", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "experienced along the way and just ask"}, {"end": "01:50:48", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "for feedback and they don't even have to"}, {"end": "01:50:51", "start": "01:50:46", "text": "take it just have to ask for it. And so"}, {"end": "01:50:54", "start": "01:50:48", "text": "that's been our new rule is, you know,"}, {"end": "01:50:56", "start": "01:50:51", "text": "totally unafraid to deploy uh, you know,"}, {"end": "01:50:59", "start": "01:50:54", "text": "inexperienced, high aptitude talent. But"}, {"end": "01:51:01", "start": "01:50:56", "text": "the but the rule is phone somebody with"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:59", "text": "some gray hair."}, {"end": "01:51:03", "start": "01:51:01", "text": "Don't have to listen, just make the"}, {"end": "01:51:05", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "phone call."}, {"end": "01:51:06", "start": "01:51:03", "text": "Nice. How many employees do you have"}, {"end": "01:51:08", "start": "01:51:05", "text": "now?"}, {"end": "01:51:09", "start": "01:51:06", "text": "Um, 115."}, {"end": "01:51:13", "start": "01:51:08", "text": "115 employees."}, {"end": "01:51:15", "start": "01:51:09", "text": "We We did XB1 with 50 people."}, {"end": "01:51:18", "start": "01:51:13", "text": "50 people."}, {"end": "01:51:20", "start": "01:51:15", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. SpaceX when they went into"}, {"end": "01:51:23", "start": "01:51:18", "text": "orbit were 500"}, {"end": "01:51:27", "start": "01:51:20", "text": "and we broke the sound barrier of 50. Um"}, {"end": "01:51:27", "start": "01:51:23", "text": "I I am a big believer in small teams and"}, {"end": "01:51:29", "start": "01:51:27", "text": "uh and so"}, {"end": "01:51:32", "start": "01:51:27", "text": "how do you keep it so small?"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:29", "text": "Um well for a little while I didn't we"}, {"end": "01:51:34", "start": "01:51:32", "text": "we ended up having to go through a cycle"}, {"end": "01:51:36", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "where I I actually cut the company in"}, {"end": "01:51:38", "start": "01:51:34", "text": "half which is very painful but we get"}, {"end": "01:51:40", "start": "01:51:36", "text": "more done now with half the people than"}, {"end": "01:51:42", "start": "01:51:38", "text": "we got with a team twice as big. And uh"}, {"end": "01:51:45", "start": "01:51:40", "text": "and so that my you know my rule now is"}, {"end": "01:51:47", "start": "01:51:42", "text": "you know anything that does not complain"}, {"end": "01:51:51", "start": "01:51:45", "text": "about being underststaffed is"}, {"end": "01:51:53", "start": "01:51:47", "text": "overstaffed and we and we hire very"}, {"end": "01:51:55", "start": "01:51:51", "text": "reluctantly and very deliberately. Uh"}, {"end": "01:51:57", "start": "01:51:53", "text": "and you know only when we've exhausted"}, {"end": "01:51:58", "start": "01:51:55", "text": "all other options do we grow the team."}, {"end": "01:52:00", "start": "01:51:57", "text": "So you know we can't do this with"}, {"end": "01:52:02", "start": "01:51:58", "text": "software we can't do this with AI. We"}, {"end": "01:52:03", "start": "01:52:00", "text": "can't just find a more clever way to do"}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:52:02", "text": "it. We can't find a way not to have to"}, {"end": "01:52:07", "start": "01:52:03", "text": "do it."}, {"end": "01:52:09", "start": "01:52:04", "text": "Okay then we'll hire and we do it very"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:07", "text": "very deliberately. How's AI helped your"}, {"end": "01:52:12", "start": "01:52:09", "text": "business?"}, {"end": "01:52:14", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "Um, oh, software and AI are going to be"}, {"end": "01:52:17", "start": "01:52:12", "text": "a huge part of the success story. So,"}, {"end": "01:52:20", "start": "01:52:14", "text": "one of the one of the things that makes"}, {"end": "01:52:22", "start": "01:52:17", "text": "um hardware companies traditionally"}, {"end": "01:52:24", "start": "01:52:20", "text": "harder to do is the development cycles"}, {"end": "01:52:26", "start": "01:52:22", "text": "are longer, the iteration cycles are"}, {"end": "01:52:28", "start": "01:52:24", "text": "longer, it's harder to make changes,"}, {"end": "01:52:30", "start": "01:52:26", "text": "it's harder to iterate. And so, we we do"}, {"end": "01:52:31", "start": "01:52:28", "text": "everything we can to make hardware"}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:30", "text": "development look more like software"}, {"end": "01:52:36", "start": "01:52:31", "text": "development. And so, uh, we we've got a"}, {"end": "01:52:38", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "a huge investment in digital"}, {"end": "01:52:41", "start": "01:52:36", "text": "engineering. And and and the way we do"}, {"end": "01:52:44", "start": "01:52:38", "text": "that is we hire we hire great software"}, {"end": "01:52:45", "start": "01:52:41", "text": "engineers that are incredibly curious"}, {"end": "01:52:46", "start": "01:52:44", "text": "about airplanes. They don't have to know"}, {"end": "01:52:48", "start": "01:52:45", "text": "anything about them. They just think"}, {"end": "01:52:51", "start": "01:52:46", "text": "it's cool. And then we have them sit"}, {"end": "01:52:52", "start": "01:52:48", "text": "with the hardware people and they and"}, {"end": "01:52:54", "start": "01:52:51", "text": "they look over the shoulders of the"}, {"end": "01:52:55", "start": "01:52:52", "text": "hardware people, learn from them, and"}, {"end": "01:52:58", "start": "01:52:54", "text": "learn how to automate the work that"}, {"end": "01:52:59", "start": "01:52:55", "text": "they're doing. And so we have we have, I"}, {"end": "01:53:02", "start": "01:52:58", "text": "think, the best airplane design tools"}, {"end": "01:53:04", "start": "01:52:59", "text": "ever made in software. and they keep"}, {"end": "01:53:06", "start": "01:53:02", "text": "getting better and what we find is oh"}, {"end": "01:53:08", "start": "01:53:04", "text": "now we can like put you know if we put"}, {"end": "01:53:10", "start": "01:53:06", "text": "new assumptions in about engine"}, {"end": "01:53:11", "start": "01:53:08", "text": "performance or aerodynamics or something"}, {"end": "01:53:12", "start": "01:53:10", "text": "we can press a button and the rest of"}, {"end": "01:53:15", "start": "01:53:11", "text": "the airplane gets automatically"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:12", "text": "redesigned so and that's all the power"}, {"end": "01:53:18", "start": "01:53:15", "text": "of software and now now AI just takes"}, {"end": "01:53:22", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "that a whole step further there there"}, {"end": "01:53:23", "start": "01:53:18", "text": "there's an old joke in the industry that"}, {"end": "01:53:25", "start": "01:53:22", "text": "for every pound of airplane there's a"}, {"end": "01:53:28", "start": "01:53:23", "text": "pound of paperwork"}, {"end": "01:53:29", "start": "01:53:25", "text": "you know what AI is really good at"}, {"end": "01:53:31", "start": "01:53:28", "text": "going through paperwork"}, {"end": "01:53:36", "start": "01:53:29", "text": "filling out paperwork and And the not"}, {"end": "01:53:38", "start": "01:53:31", "text": "only does that allow the team to be much"}, {"end": "01:53:42", "start": "01:53:36", "text": "smaller than it otherwise would have to"}, {"end": "01:53:43", "start": "01:53:38", "text": "be, it makes the jobs a lot more fun."}, {"end": "01:53:45", "start": "01:53:42", "text": "You know, the kind of engineer that is"}, {"end": "01:53:47", "start": "01:53:43", "text": "happy spending two months filling out"}, {"end": "01:53:49", "start": "01:53:45", "text": "paperwork is not the same kind of"}, {"end": "01:53:50", "start": "01:53:47", "text": "engineer that really wants to invent the"}, {"end": "01:53:54", "start": "01:53:49", "text": "future."}, {"end": "01:53:57", "start": "01:53:50", "text": "Mhm. So by by having AI do the really,"}, {"end": "01:54:00", "start": "01:53:54", "text": "you know, boring work, we can we can"}, {"end": "01:54:01", "start": "01:53:57", "text": "thereby increase the the caliber of the"}, {"end": "01:54:04", "start": "01:54:00", "text": "kind of people that want to come join"}, {"end": "01:54:06", "start": "01:54:01", "text": "the company. And so all of this gets"}, {"end": "01:54:08", "start": "01:54:04", "text": "compounded returns. The the smaller a"}, {"end": "01:54:10", "start": "01:54:06", "text": "team, the easier it is to keep the"}, {"end": "01:54:12", "start": "01:54:08", "text": "talent bar high. The number one thing"}, {"end": "01:54:14", "start": "01:54:10", "text": "great people want is to work with other"}, {"end": "01:54:16", "start": "01:54:12", "text": "great people. So therefore, it's easier"}, {"end": "01:54:19", "start": "01:54:14", "text": "to attract and retain great people. we"}, {"end": "01:54:21", "start": "01:54:16", "text": "have AI do the the [\u00a0__\u00a0] and then uh"}, {"end": "01:54:22", "start": "01:54:19", "text": "and then the the people are doing the"}, {"end": "01:54:24", "start": "01:54:21", "text": "most exciting work which means we can"}, {"end": "01:54:26", "start": "01:54:22", "text": "attract and retain better people. This"}, {"end": "01:54:29", "start": "01:54:24", "text": "flywheel starts to spin. It's a really"}, {"end": "01:54:31", "start": "01:54:26", "text": "important talent engine"}, {"end": "01:54:33", "start": "01:54:29", "text": "and this is this is one of my my biggest"}, {"end": "01:54:35", "start": "01:54:31", "text": "focuses is is really building the talent"}, {"end": "01:54:37", "start": "01:54:33", "text": "engine and we're doing a bunch of"}, {"end": "01:54:39", "start": "01:54:35", "text": "unconventional stuff like we uh we"}, {"end": "01:54:40", "start": "01:54:37", "text": "actually put an engineer in charge of"}, {"end": "01:54:42", "start": "01:54:39", "text": "recruiting."}, {"end": "01:54:44", "start": "01:54:40", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "01:54:46", "start": "01:54:42", "text": "I uh it was this this guy that we hired."}, {"end": "01:54:48", "start": "01:54:44", "text": "He had been a SpaceX manufacturing"}, {"end": "01:54:50", "start": "01:54:46", "text": "engineer. He had been something like a"}, {"end": "01:54:53", "start": "01:54:48", "text": "six-year boom vet. Uh had done a whole"}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:50", "text": "bunch of work on XB1. He was building he"}, {"end": "01:54:56", "start": "01:54:53", "text": "built the flight sim for Overture. Uh he"}, {"end": "01:55:00", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "was building the engine test facility."}, {"end": "01:55:03", "start": "01:54:56", "text": "And I I I took a walk with him uh about"}, {"end": "01:55:04", "start": "01:55:00", "text": "2 three months ago and uh I said, \"Nate,"}, {"end": "01:55:06", "start": "01:55:03", "text": "I'm going to ask you to do something"}, {"end": "01:55:10", "start": "01:55:04", "text": "different and you're going to think I'm"}, {"end": "01:55:12", "start": "01:55:06", "text": "crazy. I'm going to ask you to run HR.\""}, {"end": "01:55:13", "start": "01:55:10", "text": "And"}, {"end": "01:55:15", "start": "01:55:12", "text": "and he's like, \"You're right. I didn't"}, {"end": "01:55:17", "start": "01:55:13", "text": "think that was the conversation we were"}, {"end": "01:55:19", "start": "01:55:15", "text": "going to have. And and we we talked"}, {"end": "01:55:21", "start": "01:55:17", "text": "about it and I was like, look, uh, you"}, {"end": "01:55:23", "start": "01:55:19", "text": "know, I want an engineering mindset"}, {"end": "01:55:26", "start": "01:55:21", "text": "applied to thinking analytically about"}, {"end": "01:55:28", "start": "01:55:23", "text": "how we the kinds of people we select,"}, {"end": "01:55:31", "start": "01:55:26", "text": "how we select them, how we train them,"}, {"end": "01:55:32", "start": "01:55:28", "text": "how we onboard them, and think about"}, {"end": "01:55:35", "start": "01:55:31", "text": "this and if you're willing to try it,"}, {"end": "01:55:36", "start": "01:55:32", "text": "just try it for a year and and then if"}, {"end": "01:55:38", "start": "01:55:35", "text": "you don't like it, I'll let you go back"}, {"end": "01:55:41", "start": "01:55:36", "text": "to any kind of, you know, any other job"}, {"end": "01:55:43", "start": "01:55:38", "text": "you want. Uh but he's he's like three"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:41", "text": "months into it now and he's loving it"}, {"end": "01:55:49", "start": "01:55:43", "text": "and uh and it's going so well."}, {"end": "01:55:50", "start": "01:55:46", "text": "Good. Good. Let's talk about China."}, {"end": "01:55:53", "start": "01:55:49", "text": "China."}, {"end": "01:55:56", "start": "01:55:50", "text": "So you had mentioned China announced"}, {"end": "01:55:59", "start": "01:55:53", "text": "that they were doing supersonic flight"}, {"end": "01:56:01", "start": "01:55:56", "text": "right after you came out. So is that are"}, {"end": "01:56:03", "start": "01:55:59", "text": "they"}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:56:01", "text": "where are they in the process?"}, {"end": "01:56:07", "start": "01:56:03", "text": "The good news is we're ahead and if we"}, {"end": "01:56:08", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "stay out of our own way, we're going to"}, {"end": "01:56:10", "start": "01:56:07", "text": "stay ahead. Man, this is the first time"}, {"end": "01:56:12", "start": "01:56:08", "text": "I've heard we're ahead. This is great."}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:10", "text": "This is great news."}, {"end": "01:56:16", "start": "01:56:12", "text": "Well, airplanes are one of the few areas"}, {"end": "01:56:18", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "where we're still ahead in the US, but"}, {"end": "01:56:22", "start": "01:56:16", "text": "we got to be careful. So, China right"}, {"end": "01:56:23", "start": "01:56:18", "text": "now is shipping a 737 clone. We don't"}, {"end": "01:56:26", "start": "01:56:22", "text": "know that in America because we won't"}, {"end": "01:56:28", "start": "01:56:23", "text": "import it here, but elsewhere that's"}, {"end": "01:56:31", "start": "01:56:26", "text": "going to happen. They are working on a"}, {"end": "01:56:33", "start": "01:56:28", "text": "Boeing 787 clone."}, {"end": "01:56:35", "start": "01:56:31", "text": "And earlier this year, they announced"}, {"end": "01:56:38", "start": "01:56:33", "text": "the uh that the the one after that's"}, {"end": "01:56:39", "start": "01:56:35", "text": "going to be a supersonic airplane."}, {"end": "01:56:41", "start": "01:56:38", "text": "and the uh when they did the"}, {"end": "01:56:45", "start": "01:56:39", "text": "announcement"}, {"end": "01:56:48", "start": "01:56:41", "text": "uh it see so I think what happened was"}, {"end": "01:56:50", "start": "01:56:45", "text": "uh they saw they saw what we'd done at"}, {"end": "01:56:54", "start": "01:56:48", "text": "Boom and they said we got a play and"}, {"end": "01:56:56", "start": "01:56:50", "text": "they found some research paper and and"}, {"end": "01:56:57", "start": "01:56:54", "text": "then labeled it with a product number"}, {"end": "01:56:59", "start": "01:56:56", "text": "and and put that out as a press release."}, {"end": "01:57:00", "start": "01:56:57", "text": "They put it in the South China Morning"}, {"end": "01:57:02", "start": "01:56:59", "text": "Post which is that's that's where the"}, {"end": "01:57:05", "start": "01:57:00", "text": "CCP puts things they want to be noticed"}, {"end": "01:57:07", "start": "01:57:02", "text": "in the West. Uh and and so the the"}, {"end": "01:57:08", "start": "01:57:05", "text": "airplane's a cartoon. Like if you know"}, {"end": "01:57:11", "start": "01:57:07", "text": "anything about supersonic airplanes, you"}, {"end": "01:57:13", "start": "01:57:08", "text": "know this is not credible, but the I"}, {"end": "01:57:14", "start": "01:57:11", "text": "think the tell was they gave it a"}, {"end": "01:57:18", "start": "01:57:13", "text": "product number that was the next product"}, {"end": "01:57:19", "start": "01:57:14", "text": "number in the comac road map. Com coac"}, {"end": "01:57:21", "start": "01:57:18", "text": "is the Chinese Boeing."}, {"end": "01:57:24", "start": "01:57:19", "text": "So I think they are I think they're dead"}, {"end": "01:57:26", "start": "01:57:21", "text": "serious about it. Uh but we're ahead."}, {"end": "01:57:27", "start": "01:57:24", "text": "How do you know you're ahead?"}, {"end": "01:57:29", "start": "01:57:26", "text": "We've actually built and flown an"}, {"end": "01:57:29", "start": "01:57:27", "text": "airplane and they've got a cartoon"}, {"end": "01:57:31", "start": "01:57:29", "text": "rendering."}, {"end": "01:57:33", "start": "01:57:29", "text": "You don't think they're just that's a"}, {"end": "01:57:36", "start": "01:57:31", "text": "disguise?"}, {"end": "01:57:36", "start": "01:57:33", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:57:38", "start": "01:57:37", "text": "well, we haven't seen an airplane fly"}, {"end": "01:57:39", "start": "01:57:38", "text": "yet."}, {"end": "01:57:42", "start": "01:57:38", "text": "Okay,"}, {"end": "01:57:43", "start": "01:57:39", "text": "now they've got fighter jets and fighter"}, {"end": "01:57:45", "start": "01:57:42", "text": "jets and supersonic airliners are not"}, {"end": "01:57:46", "start": "01:57:43", "text": "the same, but they're things you can"}, {"end": "01:57:49", "start": "01:57:45", "text": "cross learn. I think we have to take"}, {"end": "01:57:50", "start": "01:57:46", "text": "this incredibly seriously. Uh, I don't"}, {"end": "01:57:52", "start": "01:57:49", "text": "think we can rest on our laurels. I"}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:50", "text": "think absent"}, {"end": "01:57:57", "start": "01:57:52", "text": "I think absent the action to repeal the"}, {"end": "01:57:58", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "supersonic ban in the US, aviation was"}, {"end": "01:58:00", "start": "01:57:57", "text": "going to go to China just like"}, {"end": "01:58:02", "start": "01:57:58", "text": "everything else has. Like, you know,"}, {"end": "01:58:03", "start": "01:58:00", "text": "this is like watching a slow motion"}, {"end": "01:58:05", "start": "01:58:02", "text": "plane crash. Boeing hasn't built a new"}, {"end": "01:58:08", "start": "01:58:03", "text": "airplane in 20 years. They can't, you"}, {"end": "01:58:09", "start": "01:58:05", "text": "know, some days they can't competently"}, {"end": "01:58:11", "start": "01:58:08", "text": "produce the ones they've already"}, {"end": "01:58:13", "start": "01:58:09", "text": "designed. China's moving forward as fast"}, {"end": "01:58:14", "start": "01:58:11", "text": "as they can. That's not going to end."}, {"end": "01:58:15", "start": "01:58:13", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "01:58:18", "start": "01:58:14", "text": "we have to invent and build the next"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:15", "text": "generation of airplanes here, or else we"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:18", "text": "know how this ends. It ends just like it"}, {"end": "01:58:23", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "does for every other kind of"}, {"end": "01:58:25", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "manufacturing."}, {"end": "01:58:28", "start": "01:58:23", "text": "Why? I'm still trying to wrap my head."}, {"end": "01:58:30", "start": "01:58:25", "text": "Why do you think Airbus and Boeing have"}, {"end": "01:58:30", "start": "01:58:28", "text": "not jumped into this race to compete"}, {"end": "01:58:31", "start": "01:58:30", "text": "with you?"}, {"end": "01:58:33", "start": "01:58:30", "text": "Oh, um"}, {"end": "01:58:35", "start": "01:58:31", "text": "I mean with the amount of funding that"}, {"end": "01:58:37", "start": "01:58:33", "text": "they have and the legacy companies like"}, {"end": "01:58:40", "start": "01:58:35", "text": "that, I mean why wouldn't they?"}, {"end": "01:58:42", "start": "01:58:37", "text": "So it it has to do with most businesses"}, {"end": "01:58:45", "start": "01:58:40", "text": "are unwilling"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:42", "text": "to disrupt themselves. Uh they they have"}, {"end": "01:58:49", "start": "01:58:45", "text": "to change their business model to"}, {"end": "01:58:51", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "compete. Let me explain why that is."}, {"end": "01:58:53", "start": "01:58:49", "text": "So, a typical international airliner"}, {"end": "01:58:54", "start": "01:58:51", "text": "today, a widebody, you know, the twin"}, {"end": "01:58:57", "start": "01:58:53", "text": "aisles,"}, {"end": "01:58:59", "start": "01:58:54", "text": "the uh, let's say they got two or 300"}, {"end": "01:59:00", "start": "01:58:57", "text": "seats on them,"}, {"end": "01:59:02", "start": "01:58:59", "text": "about 20% of the seats at the front of"}, {"end": "01:59:03", "start": "01:59:00", "text": "the airplane are business and first"}, {"end": "01:59:07", "start": "01:59:02", "text": "class,"}, {"end": "01:59:09", "start": "01:59:03", "text": "but th those seats represent roughly 80%"}, {"end": "01:59:13", "start": "01:59:07", "text": "of the profits. All the money is in the"}, {"end": "01:59:15", "start": "01:59:09", "text": "front part of the airplane. Now,"}, {"end": "01:59:17", "start": "01:59:13", "text": "supersonic with the technology that we"}, {"end": "01:59:20", "start": "01:59:15", "text": "have right now, we can't build a"}, {"end": "01:59:23", "start": "01:59:17", "text": "supersonic jumbo jet, 300 seat"}, {"end": "01:59:26", "start": "01:59:20", "text": "supersonic jet that can support economy"}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:23", "text": "fairs. We only have the technology right"}, {"end": "01:59:29", "start": "01:59:26", "text": "now. This will change, but right now"}, {"end": "01:59:32", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "today, we only have the technology to do"}, {"end": "01:59:34", "start": "01:59:29", "text": "it for about a business class fair."}, {"end": "01:59:36", "start": "01:59:32", "text": "Okay? If you take the business class"}, {"end": "01:59:39", "start": "01:59:34", "text": "seats out of a Boeing or Airbus airplane"}, {"end": "01:59:42", "start": "01:59:36", "text": "and put it in another airplane,"}, {"end": "01:59:45", "start": "01:59:39", "text": "the big airplane just lost 80% of its"}, {"end": "01:59:45", "start": "01:59:42", "text": "value,"}, {"end": "01:59:49", "start": "01:59:45", "text": "right? So, so in order to build the"}, {"end": "01:59:51", "start": "01:59:47", "text": "supersonic future, you have to be"}, {"end": "01:59:53", "start": "01:59:49", "text": "willing to disrupt the subsonic"}, {"end": "01:59:56", "start": "01:59:51", "text": "widebody."}, {"end": "01:59:58", "start": "01:59:53", "text": "And that's not something that big"}, {"end": "01:59:59", "start": "01:59:56", "text": "companies are generally willing to do."}, {"end": "02:00:03", "start": "01:59:58", "text": "It's a very"}, {"end": "02:00:05", "start": "01:59:59", "text": "Would you say 20% 80% of the profit is"}, {"end": "02:00:09", "start": "02:00:03", "text": "in the first 20 seats?"}, {"end": "02:00:13", "start": "02:00:05", "text": "Uh it's it's roughly 80% in the in the"}, {"end": "02:00:16", "start": "02:00:09", "text": "front 20% of seats. Rough numbers."}, {"end": "02:00:17", "start": "02:00:13", "text": "The uh those flat this is why if you fly"}, {"end": "02:00:19", "start": "02:00:16", "text": "business class, you know, you've got"}, {"end": "02:00:20", "start": "02:00:17", "text": "this outstanding wine list and you've"}, {"end": "02:00:22", "start": "02:00:19", "text": "got these fancy lounges and all these"}, {"end": "02:00:24", "start": "02:00:20", "text": "other perks. Why? because that's where"}, {"end": "02:00:28", "start": "02:00:22", "text": "all the money is on a perflight basis"}, {"end": "02:00:31", "start": "02:00:24", "text": "deproot and market to market but roughly"}, {"end": "02:00:34", "start": "02:00:28", "text": "80% on a perflight basis and if you look"}, {"end": "02:00:36", "start": "02:00:31", "text": "at it on a per customer basis it's even"}, {"end": "02:00:39", "start": "02:00:34", "text": "more significant because the people who"}, {"end": "02:00:40", "start": "02:00:36", "text": "fly long haul international and premium"}, {"end": "02:00:42", "start": "02:00:39", "text": "class"}, {"end": "02:00:44", "start": "02:00:40", "text": "are almost all the profit for"}, {"end": "02:00:46", "start": "02:00:42", "text": "international airlines again that's why"}, {"end": "02:00:47", "start": "02:00:44", "text": "you see all those perks and why you get"}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:46", "text": "all the status and you know if you're"}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:47", "text": "global services you get on first"}, {"end": "02:00:54", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "um and uh and and so if you move that"}, {"end": "02:00:56", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "into a separate airplane, you have to"}, {"end": "02:01:00", "start": "02:00:54", "text": "rethink a bit of the economics. Uh and"}, {"end": "02:01:02", "start": "02:00:56", "text": "and very few companies are willing to"}, {"end": "02:01:04", "start": "02:01:00", "text": "disrupt their own business. I mean, it"}, {"end": "02:01:07", "start": "02:01:02", "text": "really I think it takes I think it takes"}, {"end": "02:01:08", "start": "02:01:04", "text": "a founder company in most cases uh like"}, {"end": "02:01:11", "start": "02:01:07", "text": "you know like Steve Jobs was willing to"}, {"end": "02:01:14", "start": "02:01:08", "text": "destroy the iPod business"}, {"end": "02:01:16", "start": "02:01:11", "text": "in order to create the iPhone business."}, {"end": "02:01:17", "start": "02:01:14", "text": "I mean it just seems like they would"}, {"end": "02:01:20", "start": "02:01:16", "text": "have to do it otherwise they're going to"}, {"end": "02:01:22", "start": "02:01:17", "text": "go extinct. I mean, if if you come out"}, {"end": "02:01:25", "start": "02:01:20", "text": "with us in a year or 10 years or"}, {"end": "02:01:27", "start": "02:01:22", "text": "whenever, then"}, {"end": "02:01:29", "start": "02:01:25", "text": "that's where I'm going."}, {"end": "02:01:32", "start": "02:01:27", "text": "Remember, there's a duopoly here. You'd"}, {"end": "02:01:35", "start": "02:01:29", "text": "be right in a normally competitive"}, {"end": "02:01:37", "start": "02:01:32", "text": "market with lots of players. But with"}, {"end": "02:01:41", "start": "02:01:35", "text": "Boeing and Airbus, they're only two. And"}, {"end": "02:01:43", "start": "02:01:37", "text": "and so you get uh you get duopoly type"}, {"end": "02:01:44", "start": "02:01:41", "text": "behavior. One only moves when the other"}, {"end": "02:01:47", "start": "02:01:43", "text": "one moves. Like why did Boeing do the"}, {"end": "02:01:50", "start": "02:01:44", "text": "737 Max? It's because Boeing is Airbus"}, {"end": "02:01:53", "start": "02:01:47", "text": "did the uh A320 Neo."}, {"end": "02:01:57", "start": "02:01:50", "text": "Why did Airbus do the A350? Well, it was"}, {"end": "02:01:59", "start": "02:01:53", "text": "a carbon copy literally of the 787."}, {"end": "02:02:01", "start": "02:01:57", "text": "And so if one moves, the other one kind"}, {"end": "02:02:02", "start": "02:01:59", "text": "of copies that move. And and for the"}, {"end": "02:02:04", "start": "02:02:01", "text": "most part, they're in a staring"}, {"end": "02:02:06", "start": "02:02:02", "text": "competition. Nobody wanting to blink and"}, {"end": "02:02:08", "start": "02:02:04", "text": "give and and so the the right now"}, {"end": "02:02:11", "start": "02:02:06", "text": "dynamic is Boeing's got to get healthy."}, {"end": "02:02:12", "start": "02:02:08", "text": "They're in trouble. Uh they can't do a"}, {"end": "02:02:14", "start": "02:02:11", "text": "new an airplane. They've pledged they're"}, {"end": "02:02:16", "start": "02:02:12", "text": "not going to do a new airplane. What is"}, {"end": "02:02:18", "start": "02:02:14", "text": "Airbus's motivation? Well, Boeing's down"}, {"end": "02:02:19", "start": "02:02:16", "text": "and out. I should steal market share."}, {"end": "02:02:22", "start": "02:02:18", "text": "So, so Airbus is trying to, you know,"}, {"end": "02:02:24", "start": "02:02:19", "text": "ramp production of their airplanes"}, {"end": "02:02:26", "start": "02:02:22", "text": "faster than Boeing can get people to"}, {"end": "02:02:28", "start": "02:02:24", "text": "trust them again."}, {"end": "02:02:29", "start": "02:02:26", "text": "So, that's that game. And and like"}, {"end": "02:02:31", "start": "02:02:28", "text": "nobody's incentivized to go build a"}, {"end": "02:02:32", "start": "02:02:29", "text": "supersonic jet. Like, if you're if"}, {"end": "02:02:36", "start": "02:02:31", "text": "you're a public market investor in"}, {"end": "02:02:37", "start": "02:02:32", "text": "Boeing or Airbus and uh you like imagine"}, {"end": "02:02:38", "start": "02:02:36", "text": "Airbus says, \"We're going to go do"}, {"end": "02:02:39", "start": "02:02:37", "text": "supersonic instead of trying to eat"}, {"end": "02:02:42", "start": "02:02:38", "text": "Boeing's lunch while Boeing's down and"}, {"end": "02:02:43", "start": "02:02:39", "text": "out.\" Your investors say you're stupid."}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:42", "text": "M"}, {"end": "02:02:45", "start": "02:02:43", "text": "pretty soon you get, you know, an"}, {"end": "02:02:47", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "activist gets on your board and you're"}, {"end": "02:02:49", "start": "02:02:45", "text": "fired as CEO"}, {"end": "02:02:50", "start": "02:02:47", "text": "reciprocally. If Boeing right now says,"}, {"end": "02:02:52", "start": "02:02:49", "text": "\"I'm going to go build a supersonic"}, {"end": "02:02:54", "start": "02:02:50", "text": "jet.\" I think I think everyone's going"}, {"end": "02:02:55", "start": "02:02:52", "text": "to say, \"What are you talking about,"}, {"end": "02:02:56", "start": "02:02:54", "text": "dude? Maybe you should figure out how to"}, {"end": "02:02:58", "start": "02:02:55", "text": "put the screws in the ones you make"}, {"end": "02:03:00", "start": "02:02:56", "text": "now.\" So So neither of them is really in"}, {"end": "02:03:02", "start": "02:02:58", "text": "a position to do it."}, {"end": "02:03:04", "start": "02:03:00", "text": "It has to come from a new entrant."}, {"end": "02:03:05", "start": "02:03:02", "text": "Do you think they'll carbon copy? Or"}, {"end": "02:03:07", "start": "02:03:04", "text": "they'll probably they'll probably try to"}, {"end": "02:03:08", "start": "02:03:05", "text": "buy us first and then they'll then"}, {"end": "02:03:12", "start": "02:03:07", "text": "they'll try to compete. I mean, I"}, {"end": "02:03:14", "start": "02:03:08", "text": "welcome that. It's I'm shocked, you"}, {"end": "02:03:15", "start": "02:03:12", "text": "know, a decade into this that we don't"}, {"end": "02:03:18", "start": "02:03:14", "text": "have competition. At some point, that"}, {"end": "02:03:18", "start": "02:03:15", "text": "will change."}, {"end": "02:03:23", "start": "02:03:20", "text": "Wow. It I don't know why it's just so"}, {"end": "02:03:25", "start": "02:03:21", "text": "hard for me to wrap my head around."}, {"end": "02:03:25", "start": "02:03:23", "text": "You're the only You're the only one"}, {"end": "02:03:27", "start": "02:03:25", "text": "doing this."}, {"end": "02:03:29", "start": "02:03:25", "text": "It it it's hard for me to wrap my head"}, {"end": "02:03:32", "start": "02:03:27", "text": "around it, too. But I I think I think it"}, {"end": "02:03:34", "start": "02:03:29", "text": "comes down to, you know, what people"}, {"end": "02:03:35", "start": "02:03:32", "text": "call the innovator's dilemma in business"}, {"end": "02:03:38", "start": "02:03:34", "text": "that the big guys don't want to disrupt"}, {"end": "02:03:40", "start": "02:03:35", "text": "themselves and there only two of them."}, {"end": "02:03:43", "start": "02:03:38", "text": "So they don't think they're going to be"}, {"end": "02:03:44", "start": "02:03:40", "text": "competitively forced to on one hand. On"}, {"end": "02:03:47", "start": "02:03:43", "text": "the other hand, all the conventional"}, {"end": "02:03:49", "start": "02:03:44", "text": "wisdom 10 years ago was it was"}, {"end": "02:03:51", "start": "02:03:47", "text": "impossible to start an airplane company."}, {"end": "02:03:54", "start": "02:03:49", "text": "the last new commercial airplane company"}, {"end": "02:03:58", "start": "02:03:51", "text": "before boom"}, {"end": "02:03:59", "start": "02:03:54", "text": "1921 Douglas aircraft it had been a"}, {"end": "02:04:02", "start": "02:03:58", "text": "century"}, {"end": "02:04:03", "start": "02:03:59", "text": "um and there are all these reasons why"}, {"end": "02:04:06", "start": "02:04:02", "text": "you you know it's you know capital"}, {"end": "02:04:07", "start": "02:04:03", "text": "intensive takes a while highly regulated"}, {"end": "02:04:09", "start": "02:04:06", "text": "blah blah blah blah blah there all these"}, {"end": "02:04:11", "start": "02:04:07", "text": "reasons you could you know theoretically"}, {"end": "02:04:13", "start": "02:04:09", "text": "it's hard and you know for whatever"}, {"end": "02:04:16", "start": "02:04:11", "text": "reason you know we we were just crazy"}, {"end": "02:04:19", "start": "02:04:13", "text": "enough to go do it anyway and and then"}, {"end": "02:04:21", "start": "02:04:16", "text": "we got far enough along that I don't"}, {"end": "02:04:22", "start": "02:04:19", "text": "think it makes any sense for someone to"}, {"end": "02:04:24", "start": "02:04:21", "text": "start another company right now to"}, {"end": "02:04:26", "start": "02:04:22", "text": "compete with us. Like, okay, boom,"}, {"end": "02:04:29", "start": "02:04:24", "text": "boom's 10 years ahead"}, {"end": "02:04:31", "start": "02:04:26", "text": "and counting. So, unless you've got a"}, {"end": "02:04:32", "start": "02:04:29", "text": "very different idea about how to go"}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:31", "text": "about this, it doesn't make sense to"}, {"end": "02:04:36", "start": "02:04:32", "text": "compete with us."}, {"end": "02:04:39", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "On the other hand, you know, we did just"}, {"end": "02:04:42", "start": "02:04:36", "text": "get supersonic flight legalized. So,"}, {"end": "02:04:45", "start": "02:04:39", "text": "that that opens up um when you can't fly"}, {"end": "02:04:47", "start": "02:04:42", "text": "supersonic over Konus, there is"}, {"end": "02:04:48", "start": "02:04:45", "text": "basically no market for a supersonic"}, {"end": "02:04:50", "start": "02:04:47", "text": "private jet."}, {"end": "02:04:53", "start": "02:04:48", "text": "Mhm. But now that you can, there is. So"}, {"end": "02:04:55", "start": "02:04:50", "text": "I will um I will be disappointed if"}, {"end": "02:04:57", "start": "02:04:53", "text": "nobody else does that."}, {"end": "02:04:58", "start": "02:04:55", "text": "If nobody get into private jets,"}, {"end": "02:05:01", "start": "02:04:57", "text": "if nobody else does it, we will. We will"}, {"end": "02:05:02", "start": "02:04:58", "text": "because it should exist. Uh but my my"}, {"end": "02:05:03", "start": "02:05:01", "text": "hope is somebody else gets there before"}, {"end": "02:05:04", "start": "02:05:02", "text": "we do."}, {"end": "02:05:08", "start": "02:05:03", "text": "Bet you got a lot of guys waiting for"}, {"end": "02:05:12", "start": "02:05:04", "text": "that to happen."}, {"end": "02:05:14", "start": "02:05:08", "text": "Yeah. Well, well, we uh we we the"}, {"end": "02:05:15", "start": "02:05:12", "text": "president opened the opened the doors to"}, {"end": "02:05:18", "start": "02:05:14", "text": "that by legalizing supersonic flight"}, {"end": "02:05:19", "start": "02:05:15", "text": "over land. That market is wide open. I"}, {"end": "02:05:20", "start": "02:05:18", "text": "don't know anybody with a Gulf Stream"}, {"end": "02:05:23", "start": "02:05:19", "text": "that wouldn't want to upgrade. Some"}, {"end": "02:05:24", "start": "02:05:20", "text": "somebody should do that and you know um"}, {"end": "02:05:27", "start": "02:05:23", "text": "if if they wanted to we'd sell them"}, {"end": "02:05:31", "start": "02:05:24", "text": "engines"}, {"end": "02:05:34", "start": "02:05:27", "text": "and then I mean"}, {"end": "02:05:38", "start": "02:05:31", "text": "but but even it just"}, {"end": "02:05:40", "start": "02:05:34", "text": "it's I still can't 100% wrap my head"}, {"end": "02:05:42", "start": "02:05:38", "text": "around it because if"}, {"end": "02:05:45", "start": "02:05:40", "text": "whatever you said 80% of the revenues in"}, {"end": "02:05:46", "start": "02:05:42", "text": "the first 20% of the seats I mean those"}, {"end": "02:05:49", "start": "02:05:45", "text": "seats are going there."}, {"end": "02:05:50", "start": "02:05:46", "text": "Mhm. those customers are"}, {"end": "02:05:52", "start": "02:05:49", "text": "going to go to you."}, {"end": "02:05:53", "start": "02:05:50", "text": "And so what"}, {"end": "02:05:55", "start": "02:05:52", "text": "what do those companies look like when"}, {"end": "02:05:57", "start": "02:05:53", "text": "this is online and this is this is"}, {"end": "02:06:00", "start": "02:05:55", "text": "becoming mass-produced?"}, {"end": "02:06:01", "start": "02:05:57", "text": "I I think it ends up being a a gradual"}, {"end": "02:06:04", "start": "02:06:00", "text": "transition."}, {"end": "02:06:06", "start": "02:06:01", "text": "Even withund even with 130 jets, I mean,"}, {"end": "02:06:06", "start": "02:06:04", "text": "you're going to book out like"}, {"end": "02:06:08", "start": "02:06:06", "text": "Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "02:06:09", "start": "02:06:06", "text": "Whoever buys those is going to book out"}, {"end": "02:06:11", "start": "02:06:08", "text": "like that."}, {"end": "02:06:14", "start": "02:06:09", "text": "Absolutely. I mean, I think 130 is, you"}, {"end": "02:06:16", "start": "02:06:11", "text": "know, uh not nearly enough. You know, if"}, {"end": "02:06:18", "start": "02:06:14", "text": "if people who fly first year business"}, {"end": "02:06:20", "start": "02:06:16", "text": "today"}, {"end": "02:06:22", "start": "02:06:18", "text": "uh on a route where supersonic is going"}, {"end": "02:06:24", "start": "02:06:20", "text": "to be meaningfully faster and where the"}, {"end": "02:06:27", "start": "02:06:22", "text": "airlines can operate profitably,"}, {"end": "02:06:30", "start": "02:06:24", "text": "airlines are going to need 1,400"}, {"end": "02:06:33", "start": "02:06:27", "text": "of these jets. And that's not assuming"}, {"end": "02:06:34", "start": "02:06:30", "text": "people fly more and flights are faster,"}, {"end": "02:06:36", "start": "02:06:33", "text": "but you know, for me, I'm going to go to"}, {"end": "02:06:37", "start": "02:06:34", "text": "London more when it's half the time. I'm"}, {"end": "02:06:38", "start": "02:06:36", "text": "going to go to Tokyo more when it's half"}, {"end": "02:06:41", "start": "02:06:37", "text": "the time."}, {"end": "02:06:42", "start": "02:06:38", "text": "So, probably 1400 is a low number."}, {"end": "02:06:43", "start": "02:06:41", "text": "Probably it's going to be way more than"}, {"end": "02:06:46", "start": "02:06:42", "text": "that."}, {"end": "02:06:48", "start": "02:06:43", "text": "Yeah. Does that make"}, {"end": "02:06:50", "start": "02:06:46", "text": "Boeing I mean there are companies that"}, {"end": "02:06:53", "start": "02:06:48", "text": "do do this. I mean I think Spirit"}, {"end": "02:06:55", "start": "02:06:50", "text": "Airlines they have no business. Correct."}, {"end": "02:06:58", "start": "02:06:53", "text": "Southwest they have no business."}, {"end": "02:07:00", "start": "02:06:55", "text": "Yeah. I I think there can be"}, {"end": "02:07:03", "start": "02:06:58", "text": "I think I think there will be I think"}, {"end": "02:07:06", "start": "02:07:00", "text": "there will be a middle period where sup"}, {"end": "02:07:09", "start": "02:07:03", "text": "where premium goes supersonic and and"}, {"end": "02:07:11", "start": "02:07:06", "text": "subsonic is about low cost and that'll"}, {"end": "02:07:13", "start": "02:07:09", "text": "be sort of a middle period and then and"}, {"end": "02:07:15", "start": "02:07:11", "text": "then the cost of supersonic is going to"}, {"end": "02:07:18", "start": "02:07:13", "text": "come down and more and more people are"}, {"end": "02:07:20", "start": "02:07:15", "text": "going to say it's worth it and and and"}, {"end": "02:07:22", "start": "02:07:18", "text": "then there is a there's an economic"}, {"end": "02:07:24", "start": "02:07:20", "text": "effect that I think is widely"}, {"end": "02:07:26", "start": "02:07:22", "text": "underappreciated. We call it the speed"}, {"end": "02:07:29", "start": "02:07:24", "text": "dividend. when when you go faster, your"}, {"end": "02:07:31", "start": "02:07:26", "text": "your main cost challenge is just the"}, {"end": "02:07:32", "start": "02:07:29", "text": "energy consumption. And so you work"}, {"end": "02:07:34", "start": "02:07:31", "text": "really hard to make the airplane as"}, {"end": "02:07:36", "start": "02:07:32", "text": "energy efficient, as fuel efficient as"}, {"end": "02:07:40", "start": "02:07:34", "text": "it can be. But most of the other costs"}, {"end": "02:07:42", "start": "02:07:36", "text": "of flying are proportional to time, not"}, {"end": "02:07:44", "start": "02:07:40", "text": "distance. So how many pilots do I need?"}, {"end": "02:07:46", "start": "02:07:42", "text": "Well, if the flight's twice as fast, I"}, {"end": "02:07:47", "start": "02:07:44", "text": "need half as many pilots. If the"}, {"end": "02:07:49", "start": "02:07:46", "text": "flight's twice as fast, I need half as"}, {"end": "02:07:50", "start": "02:07:47", "text": "many airplanes. Or to look at it more"}, {"end": "02:07:53", "start": "02:07:49", "text": "positively, I can get twice the flights"}, {"end": "02:07:55", "start": "02:07:50", "text": "out of the same airplanes and crew."}, {"end": "02:07:58", "start": "02:07:53", "text": "So So there's all this that either right"}, {"end": "02:08:00", "start": "02:07:55", "text": "this so if you could fly to Hawaii today"}, {"end": "02:08:03", "start": "02:07:58", "text": "on a propeller plane that is more"}, {"end": "02:08:05", "start": "02:08:00", "text": "efficient than today's jets but nobody"}, {"end": "02:08:07", "start": "02:08:03", "text": "does it because economically it's would"}, {"end": "02:08:10", "start": "02:08:05", "text": "be more expensive because it takes all"}, {"end": "02:08:10", "start": "02:08:07", "text": "that extra time"}, {"end": "02:08:16", "start": "02:08:11", "text": "so you know overture when we have"}, {"end": "02:08:19", "start": "02:08:14", "text": "another over if we look at overture"}, {"end": "02:08:22", "start": "02:08:16", "text": "relative to concord and we imagine"}, {"end": "02:08:24", "start": "02:08:19", "text": "another step beyond overture of a"}, {"end": "02:08:26", "start": "02:08:22", "text": "similar size we can do economy"}, {"end": "02:08:29", "start": "02:08:24", "text": "supersonic"}, {"end": "02:08:31", "start": "02:08:26", "text": "and it requires that's going to require"}, {"end": "02:08:32", "start": "02:08:29", "text": "a lot of a lot of invention. It's going"}, {"end": "02:08:34", "start": "02:08:31", "text": "to require a second generation"}, {"end": "02:08:35", "start": "02:08:32", "text": "powertrain"}, {"end": "02:08:37", "start": "02:08:34", "text": "and and boy, I get I get my juices"}, {"end": "02:08:39", "start": "02:08:35", "text": "flowing about that cuz one of the most"}, {"end": "02:08:41", "start": "02:08:37", "text": "surprising thing about this airplane and"}, {"end": "02:08:43", "start": "02:08:39", "text": "I think why it's just barely possible"}, {"end": "02:08:45", "start": "02:08:41", "text": "for a startup to pull this off is it"}, {"end": "02:08:47", "start": "02:08:43", "text": "doesn't actually have any fundamentally"}, {"end": "02:08:47", "start": "02:08:45", "text": "new technology."}, {"end": "02:08:48", "start": "02:08:47", "text": "Okay,"}, {"end": "02:08:51", "start": "02:08:47", "text": "this this is made out of the same stuff"}, {"end": "02:08:53", "start": "02:08:48", "text": "as a 787. It's like we took a 787, we"}, {"end": "02:08:55", "start": "02:08:51", "text": "shrank it down, we made it long and"}, {"end": "02:08:57", "start": "02:08:53", "text": "skinny, we put twice as many engines."}, {"end": "02:08:58", "start": "02:08:55", "text": "That's it. It's a lot of new"}, {"end": "02:08:59", "start": "02:08:57", "text": "engineering, but it's not any new"}, {"end": "02:09:01", "start": "02:08:58", "text": "science, and it's not any new"}, {"end": "02:09:04", "start": "02:08:59", "text": "technology. It's proven stuff. And we"}, {"end": "02:09:06", "start": "02:09:01", "text": "did it that way because we we we wanted"}, {"end": "02:09:09", "start": "02:09:04", "text": "to keep the hurdle for version one as"}, {"end": "02:09:11", "start": "02:09:06", "text": "low as it possibly could be. For version"}, {"end": "02:09:13", "start": "02:09:09", "text": "two, we're willing to say, \"Hey, let's"}, {"end": "02:09:15", "start": "02:09:11", "text": "try five new things.\""}, {"end": "02:09:17", "start": "02:09:13", "text": "and and one of those is going to be a"}, {"end": "02:09:20", "start": "02:09:15", "text": "radically new powertrain"}, {"end": "02:09:22", "start": "02:09:17", "text": "um that uh that will allow us to go much"}, {"end": "02:09:24", "start": "02:09:20", "text": "faster will also be much quieter."}, {"end": "02:09:26", "start": "02:09:22", "text": "Well, let me ask you this. If if I'm"}, {"end": "02:09:29", "start": "02:09:24", "text": "just curious if if why why would you"}, {"end": "02:09:32", "start": "02:09:26", "text": "want to go to economy if 80% of the"}, {"end": "02:09:33", "start": "02:09:29", "text": "profits in the first 20% of the seating?"}, {"end": "02:09:34", "start": "02:09:32", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "02:09:36", "start": "02:09:33", "text": "why would you want to open yourself up"}, {"end": "02:09:39", "start": "02:09:34", "text": "to economy as a business?"}, {"end": "02:09:40", "start": "02:09:36", "text": "Uh I think it just should exist and part"}, {"end": "02:09:43", "start": "02:09:39", "text": "of it goes back to that mission and it"}, {"end": "02:09:46", "start": "02:09:40", "text": "goes back to why I started the company."}, {"end": "02:09:50", "start": "02:09:43", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:09:52", "start": "02:09:46", "text": "like I think about where I was"}, {"end": "02:09:54", "start": "02:09:50", "text": "a decade ago when my kids had a"}, {"end": "02:09:56", "start": "02:09:52", "text": "grandfather in Hong Kong that they"}, {"end": "02:09:58", "start": "02:09:54", "text": "couldn't see. And, you know, we we"}, {"end": "02:09:59", "start": "02:09:56", "text": "didn't have the money to go drop on"}, {"end": "02:10:00", "start": "02:09:58", "text": "business class."}, {"end": "02:10:02", "start": "02:09:59", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "02:10:04", "start": "02:10:00", "text": "You know, we went to Hong Kong"}, {"end": "02:10:07", "start": "02:10:02", "text": "maybe two or three times, you know, in"}, {"end": "02:10:09", "start": "02:10:04", "text": "the back of the bus. Uh, so Supersonic"}, {"end": "02:10:11", "start": "02:10:07", "text": "would not have in the cards for us. and"}, {"end": "02:10:14", "start": "02:10:09", "text": "and I want, you know, I want every"}, {"end": "02:10:15", "start": "02:10:11", "text": "family, every kid in that situation to"}, {"end": "02:10:16", "start": "02:10:14", "text": "be able to benefit from us. I want to"}, {"end": "02:10:18", "start": "02:10:15", "text": "get there."}, {"end": "02:10:19", "start": "02:10:16", "text": "Wow, that's admirable."}, {"end": "02:10:22", "start": "02:10:18", "text": "Well, thank you. I think also you can"}, {"end": "02:10:24", "start": "02:10:19", "text": "build a great business is I think there"}, {"end": "02:10:26", "start": "02:10:22", "text": "is a bizarre dynamic in economy today."}, {"end": "02:10:29", "start": "02:10:24", "text": "Like if you look at the you know the the"}, {"end": "02:10:30", "start": "02:10:26", "text": "strata of air travel there's economy um"}, {"end": "02:10:32", "start": "02:10:29", "text": "and then there's business and business"}, {"end": "02:10:33", "start": "02:10:30", "text": "is like many times more expensive than"}, {"end": "02:10:35", "start": "02:10:32", "text": "economy"}, {"end": "02:10:36", "start": "02:10:33", "text": "and there's sort of a little bit of"}, {"end": "02:10:39", "start": "02:10:35", "text": "premium economy emerging in the middle"}, {"end": "02:10:41", "start": "02:10:36", "text": "but mostly the middle is empty and and"}, {"end": "02:10:42", "start": "02:10:39", "text": "there I think their market dynamics"}, {"end": "02:10:44", "start": "02:10:41", "text": "you know like people in the airline"}, {"end": "02:10:46", "start": "02:10:42", "text": "industry keep talking about like oh"}, {"end": "02:10:50", "start": "02:10:44", "text": "people won't pay for a better experience"}, {"end": "02:10:52", "start": "02:10:46", "text": "and um I I think for the most part"}, {"end": "02:10:54", "start": "02:10:50", "text": "that's not true. I don't think people"}, {"end": "02:10:56", "start": "02:10:52", "text": "have found a way to to deliver and"}, {"end": "02:10:58", "start": "02:10:54", "text": "market the experience that they will pay"}, {"end": "02:11:00", "start": "02:10:56", "text": "more for. Like remember when the first"}, {"end": "02:11:03", "start": "02:10:58", "text": "iPhone came out? Uh people laugh."}, {"end": "02:11:05", "start": "02:11:00", "text": "They're like a $400 phone, you know,"}, {"end": "02:11:08", "start": "02:11:03", "text": "unsubsidized. No one's going to buy"}, {"end": "02:11:11", "start": "02:11:05", "text": "that. Well, no. Fast forward now. Now"}, {"end": "02:11:14", "start": "02:11:08", "text": "it's $1,500 for an iPhone and everybody"}, {"end": "02:11:15", "start": "02:11:11", "text": "does it and it's worth it. And and you"}, {"end": "02:11:17", "start": "02:11:14", "text": "know, people aren't willing to pay more"}, {"end": "02:11:18", "start": "02:11:15", "text": "for better unless you find a way to"}, {"end": "02:11:20", "start": "02:11:17", "text": "actually show them a better thing"}, {"end": "02:11:23", "start": "02:11:18", "text": "they're willing to pay for. And and I"}, {"end": "02:11:25", "start": "02:11:20", "text": "think the the whole travel experience"}, {"end": "02:11:26", "start": "02:11:23", "text": "today"}, {"end": "02:11:27", "start": "02:11:25", "text": "I is terrible."}, {"end": "02:11:28", "start": "02:11:26", "text": "It's horrific."}, {"end": "02:11:30", "start": "02:11:27", "text": "It's terrible."}, {"end": "02:11:33", "start": "02:11:28", "text": "It's it's horrific."}, {"end": "02:11:37", "start": "02:11:30", "text": "And I I'm with you. I mean, if if you"}, {"end": "02:11:40", "start": "02:11:33", "text": "line up a United, American, Southwest,"}, {"end": "02:11:42", "start": "02:11:37", "text": "Emirates,"}, {"end": "02:11:44", "start": "02:11:40", "text": "Cutter Airways,"}, {"end": "02:11:44", "start": "02:11:42", "text": "110% I'm going with Emirates or Cutter"}, {"end": "02:11:46", "start": "02:11:44", "text": "Airways."}, {"end": "02:11:46", "start": "02:11:44", "text": "Right. So, it's a night and day"}, {"end": "02:11:48", "start": "02:11:46", "text": "experience"}, {"end": "02:11:52", "start": "02:11:46", "text": "because it's a better experience."}, {"end": "02:11:54", "start": "02:11:48", "text": "It's a better experience. But even"}, {"end": "02:11:57", "start": "02:11:52", "text": "e even you know you know even in those"}, {"end": "02:11:59", "start": "02:11:54", "text": "airlines there's still so much that"}, {"end": "02:12:00", "start": "02:11:57", "text": "could be better about the end toend"}, {"end": "02:12:01", "start": "02:11:59", "text": "travel experience."}, {"end": "02:12:03", "start": "02:12:00", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "02:12:06", "start": "02:12:01", "text": "Uh so I I think there's a lot of room to"}, {"end": "02:12:09", "start": "02:12:03", "text": "reinvent the whole thing end to end um"}, {"end": "02:12:11", "start": "02:12:06", "text": "and to create a you know may maybe it"}, {"end": "02:12:13", "start": "02:12:09", "text": "bottoms out at 20% more expensive than"}, {"end": "02:12:14", "start": "02:12:11", "text": "economy is today but it's 10 times"}, {"end": "02:12:14", "start": "02:12:13", "text": "better."}, {"end": "02:12:16", "start": "02:12:14", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:12:18", "start": "02:12:14", "text": "It's faster. It's more comfortable."}, {"end": "02:12:20", "start": "02:12:16", "text": "you're actually cared for. The the way"}, {"end": "02:12:23", "start": "02:12:18", "text": "baggage works needs to be completely"}, {"end": "02:12:25", "start": "02:12:20", "text": "rethought. Um the way you get through an"}, {"end": "02:12:27", "start": "02:12:23", "text": "airport needs to be completely"}, {"end": "02:12:29", "start": "02:12:25", "text": "rethought. Uh and I think there's I"}, {"end": "02:12:31", "start": "02:12:27", "text": "think there's something in there that is"}, {"end": "02:12:33", "start": "02:12:29", "text": "that will be affordable that people will"}, {"end": "02:12:37", "start": "02:12:31", "text": "be willing to pay for that is a"}, {"end": "02:12:39", "start": "02:12:33", "text": "supersonic experience that is um"}, {"end": "02:12:41", "start": "02:12:37", "text": "uh also way more profitable than economy"}, {"end": "02:12:43", "start": "02:12:39", "text": "is today. So one I want to make this"}, {"end": "02:12:44", "start": "02:12:41", "text": "available to everybody and but two I"}, {"end": "02:12:46", "start": "02:12:43", "text": "also think you can build a great"}, {"end": "02:12:47", "start": "02:12:44", "text": "business doing that. you know, there"}, {"end": "02:12:50", "start": "02:12:46", "text": "wasn't a lot of money in in phones"}, {"end": "02:12:51", "start": "02:12:47", "text": "before the iPhone. Uh, and Apple found a"}, {"end": "02:12:52", "start": "02:12:50", "text": "way to build a product people were"}, {"end": "02:12:55", "start": "02:12:51", "text": "willing to pay a lot more for and built"}, {"end": "02:12:58", "start": "02:12:52", "text": "a great business doing that. And uh, and"}, {"end": "02:12:59", "start": "02:12:55", "text": "it's not been done in air travel. And"}, {"end": "02:13:00", "start": "02:12:58", "text": "and some reason people think it's"}, {"end": "02:13:03", "start": "02:12:59", "text": "impossible, but like you know, if you go"}, {"end": "02:13:06", "start": "02:13:00", "text": "look at the the comparison to say other"}, {"end": "02:13:07", "start": "02:13:03", "text": "parts of travel like like hotels,"}, {"end": "02:13:10", "start": "02:13:06", "text": "there's a zillion different strata of"}, {"end": "02:13:12", "start": "02:13:07", "text": "hotels and uh, you know, Motel 6 is not"}, {"end": "02:13:14", "start": "02:13:10", "text": "the mass market leader."}, {"end": "02:13:16", "start": "02:13:12", "text": "Mhm. You know, people pay more for a"}, {"end": "02:13:19", "start": "02:13:14", "text": "better meal. They pay more for a better"}, {"end": "02:13:22", "start": "02:13:16", "text": "hotel room, but it doesn't happen in air"}, {"end": "02:13:24", "start": "02:13:19", "text": "travel. Why? I think those are solvable"}, {"end": "02:13:26", "start": "02:13:22", "text": "problems."}, {"end": "02:13:27", "start": "02:13:24", "text": "What are what are some of the lessons"}, {"end": "02:13:29", "start": "02:13:26", "text": "you've learned from fighting some of the"}, {"end": "02:13:32", "start": "02:13:27", "text": "setbacks that you faced?"}, {"end": "02:13:35", "start": "02:13:29", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:13:39", "start": "02:13:32", "text": "most importantly, don't give up."}, {"end": "02:13:43", "start": "02:13:35", "text": "And uh I remember the day,"}, {"end": "02:13:45", "start": "02:13:39", "text": "you know, the the the day that we flew"}, {"end": "02:13:47", "start": "02:13:43", "text": "XP1 supersonic, I stood with the team"}, {"end": "02:13:50", "start": "02:13:45", "text": "out on the tarmac outside the airplane"}, {"end": "02:13:52", "start": "02:13:47", "text": "and I said, \"Guys, we're we're we're"}, {"end": "02:13:56", "start": "02:13:50", "text": "here today"}, {"end": "02:13:59", "start": "02:13:52", "text": "because a hell of a lot of not giving up"}, {"end": "02:14:00", "start": "02:13:56", "text": "when reasonable people would have given"}, {"end": "02:14:02", "start": "02:13:59", "text": "up. And in fact, a whole bunch of"}, {"end": "02:14:06", "start": "02:14:00", "text": "reasonable people did give up along the"}, {"end": "02:14:09", "start": "02:14:02", "text": "way. And we're here because we we kept"}, {"end": "02:14:11", "start": "02:14:06", "text": "fighting through the setbacks because we"}, {"end": "02:14:13", "start": "02:14:09", "text": "didn't let ourselves lose faith."}, {"end": "02:14:17", "start": "02:14:11", "text": "And for overture to exist, it's going to"}, {"end": "02:14:21", "start": "02:14:13", "text": "take a heck of a lot more not giving up."}, {"end": "02:14:24", "start": "02:14:17", "text": "And uh and so that's I mean I mean for"}, {"end": "02:14:25", "start": "02:14:21", "text": "me personally, there have been"}, {"end": "02:14:27", "start": "02:14:24", "text": "this this company has a near-death"}, {"end": "02:14:29", "start": "02:14:25", "text": "experience. It seems like almost every"}, {"end": "02:14:30", "start": "02:14:27", "text": "year some something happens and it's"}, {"end": "02:14:34", "start": "02:14:29", "text": "like the it's like the startup"}, {"end": "02:14:35", "start": "02:14:30", "text": "equivalent of a cancer diagnosis."}, {"end": "02:14:38", "start": "02:14:34", "text": "And and it's like, you know, you know,"}, {"end": "02:14:41", "start": "02:14:35", "text": "like when um"}, {"end": "02:14:42", "start": "02:14:38", "text": "you know, uh we lost our our way for a"}, {"end": "02:14:46", "start": "02:14:41", "text": "little while and we were trying to"}, {"end": "02:14:47", "start": "02:14:42", "text": "outsource an engine and uh and it"}, {"end": "02:14:49", "start": "02:14:46", "text": "ultimately, you know, we were working"}, {"end": "02:14:52", "start": "02:14:47", "text": "with Rolls-Royce and it became clear it"}, {"end": "02:14:54", "start": "02:14:49", "text": "just wasn't going to get there. 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And what he said is when"}, {"end": "02:16:14", "start": "02:16:09", "text": "you're in a crisis,"}, {"end": "02:16:16", "start": "02:16:12", "text": "you need to become more of who you"}, {"end": "02:16:19", "start": "02:16:14", "text": "deeply are and always needed to be. Go"}, {"end": "02:16:21", "start": "02:16:16", "text": "back to who you really are. I remember"}, {"end": "02:16:23", "start": "02:16:19", "text": "hearing that and thinking, we're going"}, {"end": "02:16:25", "start": "02:16:21", "text": "to go all in on our own engines. It's"}, {"end": "02:16:26", "start": "02:16:23", "text": "what we always should have done. We'd"}, {"end": "02:16:29", "start": "02:16:25", "text": "already sort of started down that path"}, {"end": "02:16:32", "start": "02:16:26", "text": "and then we doubled down on it and uh"}, {"end": "02:16:35", "start": "02:16:29", "text": "and we clawed our way back. 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It seems it"}, {"end": "02:17:13", "start": "02:17:06", "text": "seems like you have"}, {"end": "02:17:16", "start": "02:17:10", "text": "just brought everything in house along"}, {"end": "02:17:18", "start": "02:17:13", "text": "the journey. And man, it just seems to"}, {"end": "02:17:21", "start": "02:17:16", "text": "be the way to do it."}, {"end": "02:17:22", "start": "02:17:18", "text": "It's um we we've we've we've learned"}, {"end": "02:17:24", "start": "02:17:21", "text": "some principles about this and we're"}, {"end": "02:17:25", "start": "02:17:22", "text": "actually in the process of writing them"}, {"end": "02:17:27", "start": "02:17:24", "text": "down and trying to get really clear on"}, {"end": "02:17:29", "start": "02:17:25", "text": "the principles. You know, Elon talks"}, {"end": "02:17:32", "start": "02:17:27", "text": "about, you know, the best part is no"}, {"end": "02:17:35", "start": "02:17:29", "text": "part. It's true, but there's a whole"}, {"end": "02:17:37", "start": "02:17:32", "text": "hierarchy. The best part is no part. The"}, {"end": "02:17:38", "start": "02:17:35", "text": "next best part is a custom, sorry, the"}, {"end": "02:17:40", "start": "02:17:37", "text": "next best part is a completely"}, {"end": "02:17:42", "start": "02:17:38", "text": "off-the-shelf commercially available"}, {"end": "02:17:44", "start": "02:17:40", "text": "part. It's already designed and built,"}, {"end": "02:17:46", "start": "02:17:42", "text": "easily available. The next best part"}, {"end": "02:17:49", "start": "02:17:44", "text": "after that, if it's custom, is one that"}, {"end": "02:17:51", "start": "02:17:46", "text": "we design and build ourselves. 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Uh, and and so and we"}, {"end": "02:18:19", "start": "02:18:16", "text": "had parts also that we designed and"}, {"end": "02:18:21", "start": "02:18:17", "text": "built ourselves or that we designed and"}, {"end": "02:18:23", "start": "02:18:19", "text": "then we worked handinhand with a great"}, {"end": "02:18:27", "start": "02:18:21", "text": "supplier to build it. and the the"}, {"end": "02:18:29", "start": "02:18:23", "text": "outsourced engineering only worked once."}, {"end": "02:18:31", "start": "02:18:27", "text": "Um, and again it goes back to this idea"}, {"end": "02:18:33", "start": "02:18:29", "text": "of, you know, get curious about the why."}, {"end": "02:18:35", "start": "02:18:31", "text": "So I was like, okay, well, what was the"}, {"end": "02:18:37", "start": "02:18:33", "text": "what was the one case where it worked?"}, {"end": "02:18:39", "start": "02:18:35", "text": "Well, was the drag shoot? And the drag"}, {"end": "02:18:40", "start": "02:18:37", "text": "shoot is this it's like the parachute"}, {"end": "02:18:42", "start": "02:18:39", "text": "that goes in the back of the airplane."}, {"end": "02:18:44", "start": "02:18:40", "text": "It's like the E bra. Um, you never plan"}, {"end": "02:18:46", "start": "02:18:42", "text": "to use it, but it's there for backups."}, {"end": "02:18:48", "start": "02:18:44", "text": "That that we outsourced that and that"}, {"end": "02:18:50", "start": "02:18:46", "text": "went just fine. Well, why?"}, {"end": "02:18:52", "start": "02:18:48", "text": "Well, we knew on day one exactly what it"}, {"end": "02:18:54", "start": "02:18:50", "text": "needed to be. we could speck it and the"}, {"end": "02:18:56", "start": "02:18:52", "text": "specs never needed to change."}, {"end": "02:18:58", "start": "02:18:54", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "02:19:00", "start": "02:18:56", "text": "that's why the outsourcing was okay."}, {"end": "02:19:02", "start": "02:18:58", "text": "They said if you can spec it and and"}, {"end": "02:19:04", "start": "02:19:00", "text": "your spec doesn't change, you can give a"}, {"end": "02:19:06", "start": "02:19:02", "text": "package to a supplier. They can give you"}, {"end": "02:19:08", "start": "02:19:04", "text": "a firm fixed price bid. Uh they can"}, {"end": "02:19:11", "start": "02:19:06", "text": "commit to it and get it done. But"}, {"end": "02:19:12", "start": "02:19:08", "text": "anything that's in the anything that"}, {"end": "02:19:15", "start": "02:19:11", "text": "needs to evolve, anything that needs to"}, {"end": "02:19:16", "start": "02:19:12", "text": "be innovative on uh anything where the"}, {"end": "02:19:18", "start": "02:19:15", "text": "specs are going to change as you go"}, {"end": "02:19:21", "start": "02:19:16", "text": "through development is very hard to do"}, {"end": "02:19:23", "start": "02:19:18", "text": "across company boundaries."}, {"end": "02:19:25", "start": "02:19:21", "text": "So it's not just that like oh vertical"}, {"end": "02:19:27", "start": "02:19:23", "text": "integration is good outsourcing is bad."}, {"end": "02:19:31", "start": "02:19:25", "text": "It's more complicated than that. It it"}, {"end": "02:19:32", "start": "02:19:27", "text": "is anything where innovation is is going"}, {"end": "02:19:35", "start": "02:19:31", "text": "to need to happen where things are going"}, {"end": "02:19:39", "start": "02:19:32", "text": "to evolve. Those things need to be under"}, {"end": "02:19:41", "start": "02:19:35", "text": "a a a single umbrella that has high"}, {"end": "02:19:44", "start": "02:19:39", "text": "bandwidth communication and high ability"}, {"end": "02:19:46", "start": "02:19:41", "text": "to change. So like think even of like"}, {"end": "02:19:48", "start": "02:19:44", "text": "how the the contracting works. uh you"}, {"end": "02:19:50", "start": "02:19:46", "text": "there's really only kind of two contract"}, {"end": "02:19:53", "start": "02:19:48", "text": "models that have been invented so far."}, {"end": "02:19:56", "start": "02:19:50", "text": "There's uh firm fixed price"}, {"end": "02:19:57", "start": "02:19:53", "text": "um meaning like you know I I want to go"}, {"end": "02:19:58", "start": "02:19:56", "text": "buy this you tell me what it's going to"}, {"end": "02:20:02", "start": "02:19:57", "text": "cost and you know and that's the firm"}, {"end": "02:20:04", "start": "02:19:58", "text": "bid and then and then by the way uh or"}, {"end": "02:20:06", "start": "02:20:02", "text": "there's time and materials meaning like"}, {"end": "02:20:07", "start": "02:20:04", "text": "you know how much time did you spend on"}, {"end": "02:20:10", "start": "02:20:06", "text": "it? What do you spend? And you mark it"}, {"end": "02:20:11", "start": "02:20:07", "text": "up x% and I buy it. Uh okay well you"}, {"end": "02:20:13", "start": "02:20:10", "text": "can't do firm fixed price on something"}, {"end": "02:20:14", "start": "02:20:11", "text": "where the spec is going to change. So"}, {"end": "02:20:16", "start": "02:20:13", "text": "now you're in this kind of time and"}, {"end": "02:20:18", "start": "02:20:14", "text": "materials world, but if you're in a time"}, {"end": "02:20:22", "start": "02:20:16", "text": "and materials contract, the supplers's"}, {"end": "02:20:24", "start": "02:20:18", "text": "incentive is maximize time and maximize"}, {"end": "02:20:26", "start": "02:20:22", "text": "materials."}, {"end": "02:20:28", "start": "02:20:24", "text": "They make more money by sucking. And so"}, {"end": "02:20:30", "start": "02:20:26", "text": "you're kind of counting on their like"}, {"end": "02:20:33", "start": "02:20:28", "text": "their good reputation and they're being"}, {"end": "02:20:35", "start": "02:20:30", "text": "good humans to to work well. Uh so so if"}, {"end": "02:20:38", "start": "02:20:33", "text": "the specs are going to uh evolve, it's"}, {"end": "02:20:40", "start": "02:20:35", "text": "much better not to outsource. If this if"}, {"end": "02:20:42", "start": "02:20:38", "text": "the specs are not going to evolve and"}, {"end": "02:20:44", "start": "02:20:40", "text": "you're really sure of that, then it can"}, {"end": "02:20:46", "start": "02:20:42", "text": "be okay to outsource."}, {"end": "02:20:49", "start": "02:20:44", "text": "Man, you know, I mean, it seems like it"}, {"end": "02:20:51", "start": "02:20:46", "text": "seems like a lot of these these newer"}, {"end": "02:20:53", "start": "02:20:49", "text": "companies are are are doing their own"}, {"end": "02:20:56", "start": "02:20:51", "text": "manufacturing. Do what what do you think"}, {"end": "02:20:58", "start": "02:20:53", "text": "that I mean I don't know any of the"}, {"end": "02:20:59", "start": "02:20:56", "text": "other companies that are,"}, {"end": "02:21:01", "start": "02:20:58", "text": "you know, that are doing this. So, what"}, {"end": "02:21:04", "start": "02:20:59", "text": "does that look like in the future? I"}, {"end": "02:21:04", "start": "02:21:01", "text": "mean, the supply chain."}, {"end": "02:21:06", "start": "02:21:04", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:21:08", "start": "02:21:04", "text": "Is everything is every company going to"}, {"end": "02:21:09", "start": "02:21:06", "text": "start going in house?"}, {"end": "02:21:12", "start": "02:21:08", "text": "Well, I think we have to"}, {"end": "02:21:15", "start": "02:21:09", "text": "re-industrialize America"}, {"end": "02:21:18", "start": "02:21:12", "text": "and you know if if we if America was"}, {"end": "02:21:20", "start": "02:21:15", "text": "already a thriving"}, {"end": "02:21:22", "start": "02:21:18", "text": "manufacturing country, you know, like"}, {"end": "02:21:25", "start": "02:21:20", "text": "the way we were before World War II,"}, {"end": "02:21:27", "start": "02:21:22", "text": "a lot of the answers would be different."}, {"end": "02:21:29", "start": "02:21:25", "text": "But in instead, what we are is, you"}, {"end": "02:21:32", "start": "02:21:27", "text": "know, we are very"}, {"end": "02:21:34", "start": "02:21:29", "text": "um calcified, very inefficient on most"}, {"end": "02:21:36", "start": "02:21:32", "text": "of that in the US. and we've got a much"}, {"end": "02:21:38", "start": "02:21:34", "text": "more efficient competitor in China."}, {"end": "02:21:41", "start": "02:21:36", "text": "Okay, so what what do we need to do as a"}, {"end": "02:21:43", "start": "02:21:38", "text": "country? Uh we could try to bring back"}, {"end": "02:21:45", "start": "02:21:41", "text": "exactly what left. I think that's really"}, {"end": "02:21:47", "start": "02:21:43", "text": "hard to do. Instead, I think we need to"}, {"end": "02:21:48", "start": "02:21:45", "text": "invent and build the next generation. We"}, {"end": "02:21:51", "start": "02:21:47", "text": "need to leaprog."}, {"end": "02:21:53", "start": "02:21:48", "text": "Um so what does that look like for"}, {"end": "02:21:57", "start": "02:21:51", "text": "manufacturing? I I think it is well"}, {"end": "02:22:00", "start": "02:21:53", "text": "let's take the example of tooling. Um,"}, {"end": "02:22:01", "start": "02:21:57", "text": "like we were saying before,"}, {"end": "02:22:04", "start": "02:22:00", "text": "uh,"}, {"end": "02:22:06", "start": "02:22:01", "text": "tool and die design"}, {"end": "02:22:07", "start": "02:22:04", "text": "by and large went to Asia. Like, you"}, {"end": "02:22:08", "start": "02:22:06", "text": "know, you go to China, you throw a"}, {"end": "02:22:11", "start": "02:22:07", "text": "baseball, you're going to hit a tool"}, {"end": "02:22:13", "start": "02:22:08", "text": "guy. In the US, they're few and far"}, {"end": "02:22:15", "start": "02:22:11", "text": "between. Okay. So, we could try to"}, {"end": "02:22:16", "start": "02:22:13", "text": "rebuild tooling engineering in the US."}, {"end": "02:22:18", "start": "02:22:15", "text": "And we probably need to do a little bit"}, {"end": "02:22:20", "start": "02:22:16", "text": "of that, but most of what we need to do"}, {"end": "02:22:21", "start": "02:22:18", "text": "is figure out how to manufacture in a"}, {"end": "02:22:22", "start": "02:22:20", "text": "very tool-like way. 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Just delete that part of the"}, {"end": "02:22:47", "start": "02:22:43", "text": "process and we can turn nine months into"}, {"end": "02:22:49", "start": "02:22:46", "text": "24 hours."}, {"end": "02:22:51", "start": "02:22:47", "text": "Yeah. And by the way, and that and the"}, {"end": "02:22:53", "start": "02:22:49", "text": "second order effects of that are amazing"}, {"end": "02:22:56", "start": "02:22:51", "text": "because if it takes 9 months to go build"}, {"end": "02:22:58", "start": "02:22:53", "text": "a tool or even in a good scenario, three"}, {"end": "02:23:00", "start": "02:22:56", "text": "months uh and then you can get a part"}, {"end": "02:23:02", "start": "02:22:58", "text": "out. Well, if you tell an engineer,"}, {"end": "02:23:03", "start": "02:23:00", "text": "okay, go design a part, but by the way,"}, {"end": "02:23:05", "start": "02:23:02", "text": "if you need to change it, it's going to"}, {"end": "02:23:07", "start": "02:23:03", "text": "set us back by months. Now, they spend a"}, {"end": "02:23:08", "start": "02:23:05", "text": "lot of time ringing their hands, got to"}, {"end": "02:23:10", "start": "02:23:07", "text": "make sure it's right. I don't want to"}, {"end": "02:23:13", "start": "02:23:08", "text": "cause a setback. So, they tend to be"}, {"end": "02:23:14", "start": "02:23:10", "text": "very conservative. They tend to spend a"}, {"end": "02:23:15", "start": "02:23:13", "text": "lot of time analyzing and"}, {"end": "02:23:19", "start": "02:23:14", "text": "double-checking."}, {"end": "02:23:20", "start": "02:23:15", "text": "But if I can"}, {"end": "02:23:24", "start": "02:23:19", "text": "digitally manufacture, if I can change"}, {"end": "02:23:26", "start": "02:23:20", "text": "the design in software overnight,"}, {"end": "02:23:27", "start": "02:23:24", "text": "then I don't spend all the engineering"}, {"end": "02:23:30", "start": "02:23:26", "text": "conservatism can stop. We can be more"}, {"end": "02:23:32", "start": "02:23:27", "text": "aggressive. Uh we can go try things we"}, {"end": "02:23:34", "start": "02:23:30", "text": "wouldn't try that might not work. The"}, {"end": "02:23:35", "start": "02:23:32", "text": "pace of iteration speeds way up. The"}, {"end": "02:23:38", "start": "02:23:34", "text": "behavior of the engineers completely"}, {"end": "02:23:40", "start": "02:23:35", "text": "changes. So if we can go to if we can go"}, {"end": "02:23:42", "start": "02:23:38", "text": "away from like a very toolheavy"}, {"end": "02:23:44", "start": "02:23:40", "text": "manufacturing approach to a tool light"}, {"end": "02:23:46", "start": "02:23:42", "text": "manufacturing approach, it it it"}, {"end": "02:23:49", "start": "02:23:44", "text": "ricochets back into how we design and"}, {"end": "02:23:51", "start": "02:23:46", "text": "engineer and those cycles become much"}, {"end": "02:23:54", "start": "02:23:49", "text": "faster and we can and we can iterate"}, {"end": "02:23:55", "start": "02:23:51", "text": "much faster. And so I think this is how"}, {"end": "02:23:58", "start": "02:23:54", "text": "uh this is how the US wins on"}, {"end": "02:24:00", "start": "02:23:55", "text": "manufacturing. We we need to invent the"}, {"end": "02:24:02", "start": "02:23:58", "text": "next wave of manufacturing here in a way"}, {"end": "02:24:04", "start": "02:24:00", "text": "that uh that plays to our strengths and"}, {"end": "02:24:06", "start": "02:24:02", "text": "play to you know that having the the"}, {"end": "02:24:07", "start": "02:24:04", "text": "best minds in the world. Maybe maybe we"}, {"end": "02:24:09", "start": "02:24:06", "text": "don't have the lowest labor cost, but so"}, {"end": "02:24:10", "start": "02:24:07", "text": "we're going to invest in in automation."}, {"end": "02:24:11", "start": "02:24:09", "text": "We're going to have robots building"}, {"end": "02:24:13", "start": "02:24:10", "text": "these things and they'll and they'll be"}, {"end": "02:24:16", "start": "02:24:11", "text": "following software instructions and that"}, {"end": "02:24:17", "start": "02:24:13", "text": "means we can iterate way faster."}, {"end": "02:24:19", "start": "02:24:16", "text": "And I get excited about this because now"}, {"end": "02:24:21", "start": "02:24:17", "text": "we can run circles around China"}, {"end": "02:24:24", "start": "02:24:19", "text": "and we don't need a billion people to do"}, {"end": "02:24:27", "start": "02:24:21", "text": "it."}, {"end": "02:24:28", "start": "02:24:24", "text": "Love the way you think. Love it. Well,"}, {"end": "02:24:30", "start": "02:24:27", "text": "Blake, we're wrapping up the interview,"}, {"end": "02:24:33", "start": "02:24:28", "text": "so I just want to ask, what advice do"}, {"end": "02:24:36", "start": "02:24:30", "text": "you have for future innovators like"}, {"end": "02:24:39", "start": "02:24:33", "text": "yourself?"}, {"end": "02:24:43", "start": "02:24:36", "text": "Um, work on something"}, {"end": "02:24:46", "start": "02:24:39", "text": "that you'd be proud to fail at."}, {"end": "02:24:48", "start": "02:24:43", "text": "I think of um"}, {"end": "02:24:51", "start": "02:24:46", "text": "when I took my when my daughter turned"}, {"end": "02:24:53", "start": "02:24:48", "text": "10, my oldest daughter, she's 12 now."}, {"end": "02:24:55", "start": "02:24:51", "text": "She turned 10, I took her out to ice"}, {"end": "02:24:56", "start": "02:24:53", "text": "cream."}, {"end": "02:24:59", "start": "02:24:55", "text": "And it was one of those sort of like low"}, {"end": "02:25:00", "start": "02:24:56", "text": "moments in boom history where I didn't"}, {"end": "02:25:01", "start": "02:24:59", "text": "know how we were going to get through"}, {"end": "02:25:02", "start": "02:25:00", "text": "some challenges. I was I was worried"}, {"end": "02:25:04", "start": "02:25:01", "text": "we'd run out of money before we ever"}, {"end": "02:25:07", "start": "02:25:02", "text": "flew an airplane."}, {"end": "02:25:10", "start": "02:25:04", "text": "And um I'm driving her back from the ice"}, {"end": "02:25:12", "start": "02:25:07", "text": "cream shop and I said, \"Uh, Ada, you"}, {"end": "02:25:14", "start": "02:25:10", "text": "know what? would you think? And by the"}, {"end": "02:25:17", "start": "02:25:12", "text": "way, to her, this is all her dad has"}, {"end": "02:25:18", "start": "02:25:14", "text": "been doing her entire life. Has been"}, {"end": "02:25:19", "start": "02:25:17", "text": "saying he's going to build supersonic"}, {"end": "02:25:20", "start": "02:25:18", "text": "jets. I said, \"Adya, what would you"}, {"end": "02:25:24", "start": "02:25:19", "text": "think if it didn't work?\" And our even"}, {"end": "02:25:25", "start": "02:25:20", "text": "our test airplane never flew."}, {"end": "02:25:28", "start": "02:25:24", "text": "And she said, \"I'd be proud of you for"}, {"end": "02:25:32", "start": "02:25:25", "text": "trying.\""}, {"end": "02:25:33", "start": "02:25:28", "text": "And boy, it hit me right here. And she's"}, {"end": "02:25:36", "start": "02:25:32", "text": "10-year-old. She's not making that up."}, {"end": "02:25:38", "start": "02:25:33", "text": "She means that. Can't can't fake it at"}, {"end": "02:25:40", "start": "02:25:36", "text": "that age."}, {"end": "02:25:42", "start": "02:25:38", "text": "And so it's my wish for every"}, {"end": "02:25:44", "start": "02:25:40", "text": "entrepreneur"}, {"end": "02:25:45", "start": "02:25:42", "text": "and really everybody like you know for"}, {"end": "02:25:47", "start": "02:25:44", "text": "me if you went back to me when I was"}, {"end": "02:25:48", "start": "02:25:45", "text": "like five or seven years old and you"}, {"end": "02:25:51", "start": "02:25:47", "text": "said Blake you're going to get to build"}, {"end": "02:25:55", "start": "02:25:48", "text": "supersonic jets my reaction would have"}, {"end": "02:25:58", "start": "02:25:51", "text": "been like no way you're kidding I get to"}, {"end": "02:26:03", "start": "02:25:55", "text": "do that? Uh, I'd have just been tickled"}, {"end": "02:26:05", "start": "02:25:58", "text": "pink. And And so my put is"}, {"end": "02:26:08", "start": "02:26:03", "text": "go work on the thing"}, {"end": "02:26:10", "start": "02:26:05", "text": "that your five-year-old self would have"}, {"end": "02:26:11", "start": "02:26:08", "text": "been dazzled by. I mean, for me, that's"}, {"end": "02:26:13", "start": "02:26:10", "text": "Supersonic Jets, but I think we've all"}, {"end": "02:26:14", "start": "02:26:11", "text": "got our version of that. Go do the thing"}, {"end": "02:26:16", "start": "02:26:13", "text": "your 5-year-old self would have been"}, {"end": "02:26:19", "start": "02:26:14", "text": "tickled pink by. Do something that you"}, {"end": "02:26:22", "start": "02:26:16", "text": "love so much that you'd be okay having"}, {"end": "02:26:23", "start": "02:26:19", "text": "failed at it. And if you do both of"}, {"end": "02:26:24", "start": "02:26:22", "text": "those things, there is actually no"}, {"end": "02:26:27", "start": "02:26:23", "text": "losing."}, {"end": "02:26:29", "start": "02:26:24", "text": "Man, I love that advice. Thank you. And"}, {"end": "02:26:31", "start": "02:26:27", "text": "man, what a moment with your"}, {"end": "02:26:34", "start": "02:26:29", "text": "10-year-old. She's pretty cool."}, {"end": "02:26:37", "start": "02:26:31", "text": "Wow. Well, Blake, thank you for coming."}, {"end": "02:26:39", "start": "02:26:34", "text": "I wish you the best of luck. And um"}, {"end": "02:26:41", "start": "02:26:37", "text": "selfishly, I cannot wait to get on one"}, {"end": "02:26:42", "start": "02:26:39", "text": "of those jets. So,"}, {"end": "02:26:45", "start": "02:26:41", "text": "you and me both."}, {"end": "02:26:46", "start": "02:26:42", "text": "Please hurry up."}, {"end": "02:26:47", "start": "02:26:45", "text": "All right, I'm on it."}, {"end": "02:26:51", "start": "02:26:46", "text": "Thank you so much."}, {"end": "02:26:51", "start": "02:26:47", "text": "All right. Thank you, Sean."}, {"end": "02:27:05", "start": "02:27:01", "text": "No matter where you're watching Shawn"}, {"end": "02:27:08", "start": "02:27:03", "text": "Ryan Show from, if you get anything out"}, {"end": "02:27:10", "start": "02:27:05", "text": "of this, please like, comment,"}, {"end": "02:27:14", "start": "02:27:08", "text": "subscribe, and most importantly, share"}, {"end": "02:27:16", "start": "02:27:10", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. 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If somebody were to go and"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "take those pull-up bars, you could just"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "come back here and set them up and"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "you're done."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "So, but then how do you steal them in"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "front of"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "the brrig?"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "You take a clipboard down while you're"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "doing it."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "You take a clipboard. So, we do that and"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "it's successful. And"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "a hard hat, too."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "Nah, I probably not that. 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And I never said anything."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "you know, I went through the whole time"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "and listened to guys when we'd sit"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "around at night, people would talk about"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "their plans to steal that and nobody"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "ever did. So, one day when we were"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "getting close to packing up to leave, I"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "went and got uh some clerk and they had"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "this big um extended bed for uh truck. 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Look at I"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "go, \"Yep.\" And then guide him back and"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "he gets there and we I just pick up the"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "sign, put it in the back of the truck"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "and we drive away. And uh then the rest"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "and I put it in the middle of the bay"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "where the team was. And when the rest of"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "the team came in and saw that, I"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "couldn't believe like how the hell did"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "you get"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "Don't worry about get that."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Uh so that Yeah. So, I got used to that"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "kind of uh like you said, sometimes the"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "most obvious thing uh puts people's"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "guard down and you can, you know, get"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "through that."}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "Yeah. Now, this this weave we started"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "was all the way back at Coast. We ended"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "up through like the Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "the failed mission to get the 10th and"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "all that, but we were going through"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "the buildup to Coast. And you mentioned"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "that there was something before that and"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "you and I talked off camera for one sec"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "that you can't give all the details here"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "but shortly before December 2000"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "December 30th you were involved in"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "something"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "alqaeda related. Is that fair to say?"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "Yeah, there were. Yeah. So, um"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "yeah, there was uh an an operation that"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "I participated in that um you know took"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "an important"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "Salai Al Somali. Uh"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "oh, you can say it"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "off the I hope I can't."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "Okay. I was trying to help you out"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "there. I told you I'd help you out."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "Yeah, I I I think I've been told that"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "that part we can we can talk about. So,"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "um I helped uh yeah, with that op."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "And you think because of the success of"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "that op?"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "I I don't I do not know what happened as"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "a result of that. That op um happened"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "a few weeks before the bombing of coast"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "happened, less than a month."}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "possibly to speculate the success of"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "that op and the confidence that that may"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "have instilled at the agency"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "could have led to some"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "corners being cut. And uh I I won't say"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "that because um"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "the agency had been doing"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "and planning uh operations against"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "senior al-Qaeda for"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "a lot of years, right? So the"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "personalities involved and the um"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "method operendi, you know, they were"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "kind of uh already in place and"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "you know, they had their favorite"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "scripts that they like to follow and"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "the films and stuff that"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "the evidence that al-Qaeda allowed to be"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "presented that made Baloi look like a"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "very lucrative uh chance to take um"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "those were well in place long before"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "that. I have no idea if uh what happened"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "with uh"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "um Alsale"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "um hurried or sped up. I have no because"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "it might be that that meeting was"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "planned long before that. Um,"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "but it to me it kind of reminds me of"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "that whole thing of, you know, it's"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "almost like when you talk about the"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "G-Watt, this tit fortat that"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "they're trying to get us, we're trying"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "to get them. You take out one here, one"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "pops up there. Um,"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "you know, is kind of I I think a in a"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "way a statement about the state of the"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "world, good and evil, war, that uh the"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "more things change, the more they're the"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "same. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Uh and it doesn't mean when I say that I"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "don't mean that wars"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "aren't worth fighting, that people"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "aren't worth killing. I think when any"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "conflict or something like this happens,"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "there's people you got to kill and then"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "there's a bunch of other people you got"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "to convince."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "And it's knowing when to stop one and"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "start the other. Uh"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "people you got to kill and a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "other people you got to convince. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "that's a loaded statement,"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "but it it's kind of it does kind of"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "encapsulate everything. Yes."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "And you shouldn't kill who shouldn't be"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "killed. And there comes a time when"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "killing, you know, I asked like we had"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "we wound up with all these bases all"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "over Afghanistan"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "and how much effort were the bases"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "putting out to get information to"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "protect the base. So was the base if"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "would would that justify the ba if the"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "base was never there? Right. Surely"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "I think until we got Bin Laden,"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "there was always this unending thing"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "that we're just going to whatever it"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "takes and forever, how long and how much"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "money we're going to put until we can"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "claim that victory."}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "Um, and then"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "with him, of course, when you look back"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "at that, you know, what did that mean"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "for me? It was like 15 years out of my"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "life that I just chase after bad people."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "And um, that's 15 years away from home,"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "15 years of no life. Um, and I'm happy."}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "I'm really I'm really lucky to be able"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "to spend my life the way I did, but it's"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "not the way that I want my kids to spend"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "their lives and not the way that I when"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "I look around uh our country and see"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "other folks. Like I don't want many"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "people to have to to live like that or"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "do like that."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "Was it tough developing a close"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "relationship with your kids because"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "you're gone all the time? Yeah, my first"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "set of kids um"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "uh I have I had three kids and a"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "stepdaughter from a marriage when I was"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "in the army and um that ended in 97"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "which happened to be right after that"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "happened when I got offered to start"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "doing classified um"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "unusual things for for special forces in"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "the army and started traveling around"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "the world um doing classified missions"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "in places like I was working in Yemen"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "Kuwait and um"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "yeah then 9/11 hit and I never stopped"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "after that and um"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "but you married someone in the agency."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "Yeah. So, uh, I had those three kids,"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "but those in those three, uh, I probably"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "didn't deal with that well, cuz that was"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "one of those deals. And, um, I'm I'm I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "not really trying to disparrage any,"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "uh, the mother of my kids or anything,"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "but I went away on a trip for the"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "military um, to do"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "training in calling close air support."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "Our team went away for a week. I came"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "back at the end of that week to find my"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "house empty, my truck gone, and uh kids"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "gone"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "she had left with the kids. So,"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "um I went through that and then later."}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "How do you deal with that? Like that's"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "I didn't deal with it. Well, I I mean, I"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "admit my marriage wasn't the best and"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "she'd been married before, but I was one"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "of those guys that, you know, divorces"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "out of question, so you do the best you"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "can. And the the whole thing about kids"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "kind of Yeah. I it kind of brought back"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "some of that anxiety stuff that I'd had"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "when I was younger that"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "if I would be still and start thinking"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "about them, I would just like images of"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "their faces would just go through my"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "head and and uh you know it would get"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "really hard. I didn't know how to deal"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "with it. And I never talked to anybody,"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "you know, I never told anybody about"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "feelings or anything like that. And"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "about that time, I got offered to start"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "doing these missions. And when you do"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "when I do a mission, I'm all in. And I"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "don't think about home. I don't think"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "about life. I don't think about that."}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "And then every time I stop or take a"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "vacation, then all that stuff will come"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "back. So the more you do it,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "better, you know. And uh so I'd only see"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "my kids I mean they relocated 1500 miles"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "away and then I would I was out of the"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "country for most of the next uh 15"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "years. So I would see them"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "uh once or twice a year for a short"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "period of time and then be gone. When I"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "was in Afghanistan uh in 2001 and two I"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "had the luxury of satellite phones all"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "the time. So sometimes when I was"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "pulling watch in the middle of the"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "night, you know, I would call them up by"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "satellite phone because we were"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "authorized to make morale welfare calls"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "uh using the Thoria and I probably"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "talked more to them"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "during those few uh few months um"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "than I did somewhere else because it"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "puts a different perspective when you're"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "standing on top of a h a mud hut And"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "there's like eight Americans there and"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "you're surrounded by 300 people that you"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "don't know. You don't know how many of"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "them are al-Qaeda or that would just"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "assume shoot you and you're getting"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "ready maybe be in some battle and yeah"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "that that can cause you to like I have"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "this time to make that phone call"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "for me. I'm otherwise I'm not I'm kind"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "of not that guy. I'm I'm all focused on"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "on the mission. You have the ability to"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "massively compartmentalize."}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "I thought I had the ability to massively"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "compartmentalize and I lived my life"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "that way, but it turns out none of us"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "are actually quite successful"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "at compartmentalizing"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "and uh I think it always it has its"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "price and there's that can be paid later"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "in life or through your health or"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "whatever. So, um, meaning we fool"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "ourselves,"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "meaning when you're in the m Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "exactly. When you're in the moment, you"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "think"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "you just have that subconscious ability"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "to do that, but it's really just"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "building up some sort of and some"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "manifestation ticking time bomb."}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "Yeah. Or a time bomb or the time without"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "or then how do you address your kids?"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "like my older kids now. It's funny"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "because I spend a lot of time now trying"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "to downplay"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "things I did in the military, but yet I"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "see particularly with my two uh sons who"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "are in the early 30s and uh one late 20s"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "that"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "you know, but that's all they knew about"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "dad. Dad's gone,"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "but dad's a hero. Well, you know, he's"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "doing this stuff. And um"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "and it's hard cuz now I'm trying to sort"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "of dispel them of some of that. Uh"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "because there's a lot more to life than,"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "you know, all these experiences that"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "I've been lucky enough to have that"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "we've been talking about. But my"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "experiences are different than maybe"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "most of the populace"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "uh have. But they're just experiences I"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "I choose to not let that define who I am"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "now"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "and what I can contribute to the world"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "now. Right? It's um I'm great to have"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "done what I did. Uh, I feel blessed to"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "be able to do that,"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "but that's not something I would tell"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "everybody you need to do or should do or"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "aspire to do or nor is it what I want my"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "kids to think that I did."}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "So, I got married again um inside the"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "agency"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "um had two daughters from that marriage"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "that are one is 16 today. Oh, happy"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "birthday,"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Olivia. And the other is 14, Reagan. So,"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "I've got five kids."}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "Uh,"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "and now and now you're around though,"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "too, which is great. Now I'm around the"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "the girls um live about 45 minutes from"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "me and I'm in the Northern Virginia area"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "because every chance I get I'm with them"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "and uh trying to be part of the life and"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "I'm trying to be you know I think you're"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "a better father I you know they were"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "born when I was in my 50s. So,"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "um I think my experiences I I probably"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "was a much better father in my 50s and"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "60s than I was in my 30s. Um"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "and and I still have time, right? Um my"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "relationship is evolving with my older"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "kids and I'm able to have, you know,"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "long talks about life with them. and um"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "uh and with my daughters. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "it's good. Thank you guys for checking"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "out this clip. 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[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Now you so you spent a lot of time down"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "in Argentina."}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "You said you were living down there at"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "one point."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "I lived in a cumulatively I spent more"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "than a year living in a tent in"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Argentina."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "In Patagonia."}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "Yeah. Southernmost Patagonia."}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "You know, here's the thing. If I Let's"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "look at two things that are found that"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "are considered incredibly economic"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "incredible economic opportunities. You"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "got gold and you got oil. Those are just"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "two. Gold we put on jewelry. It's like a"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "fashion symbol. A lot of other things as"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "well. It's a store of value. Oil is"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "obviously things that something that"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "helps run the world. So you're on oil,"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "you can sell that. But shouldn't there"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "be some sort of I don't know like public"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "interest protection on history, per se."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "There should be and there there are laws"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "like that in most countries. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "where I worked in Argentina for for so"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "many years, um it doesn't matter if it's"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "on public or private land. When you put"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "your finger on a on a dinosaur fossil,"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "it becomes property of the federal"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "government of Argentina at that moment."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "I'm not even See, here's the thing. I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "not even saying it has to be property of"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "the government, but it should be in the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "interest of something that's not"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "economic like protectionism. You know"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "what I mean? Meaning, if there's history"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "to be uncovered there, people like you,"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "a professional should be allowed to come"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "in and there should be a law that says"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "you're allowed to come in to excavate"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "that. And then you're not, let's say,"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "you're not allowed to make money on the"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "private market from that. That would"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "that would be perfectly fair to me."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "I agree. And you know, the the one of"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "the problems with private collecting is"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "that, you know, it's driven by money and"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "so they're interested in getting that"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "bone out of that skeleton out of the"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "ground as quickly as possible. When I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "excavating a dinosaur, I spend as much"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "time on the sediment that surrounds the"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "dinosaur as I do on the fossils"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "themselves because the sediment"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "preserves the paleo environment."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "The paleo environment."}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Yeah. So, you know, was it a flood"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "plane? Was it a coast? Was it a mangrove"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "ecosystem? What you know, imagine if you"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "were an alien and you you came by Earth"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "and you beamed up a lion, but you didn't"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "know anything about the African"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "savannah. What do you know about a lion?"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "It's just a thing in space."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "You know about you know nothing really,"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "right? So you pluck these dinosaur"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "skeletons from the ground. You don't do"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "the paleo environmental work. You don't"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "really know anything about these"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "animals. That's where the story is."}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "Yes. You're able you're basically able"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "to paint the context and setting by"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "doing that essentially."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "You start to understand the ecology and"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "you know and the climate and all kinds"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "of other things."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "so it's really I mean I excavate so"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "methodically you know 17 years to go 250"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "square meters. Se 250 meters in 17"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Yeah. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "what does it just for the layman out"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "there, which is me?"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "What does that look like? Like, are you"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "are you going in there and each day you"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "have a specific like I'm going to get"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "through these two inches and here's"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "Well, we gr it out in in one meter"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "squares. Um"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "some of my um excavators that have been"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "trained on the team, you know, are more"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "experienced and can go faster than"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "others. I mean, some people might spend"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "weeks on a on a single square meter."}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "Yeah. 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Like where"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "I work in Patagonia,"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "the way I prospect is with a pickaxe."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "And"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "with a pickaxe."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "Yeah. And a pickaxe is a skill. Like I"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "used to I I would have to teach my grad"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "students like the proper way to swing a"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "pickaxe. You know, it's like swinging a"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "baseball bat. There's a whole form that"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "goes into it, right?"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "Um and the way you the way you prospect"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "with a pickaxe is by sound."}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "So when you're hitting the rock, it"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "sounds one way. If you hit a fossil, it"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "rings a little bit. And if you're good,"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "you only hit the dinosaur once."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "That's what I would think. Like"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "something like that sounds like a risk"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "of damaging a bone or something."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "Well, that's why they make a product"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "called Paleobond."}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "Paleobond."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "Paleobond made just for us"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "paleontologists. Cuz every"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "How does that work?"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "It's basically super glue. Every now and"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "then you break a fossil and you glue it"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "back together."}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Now you So you spent a lot of time down"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "in Argentina."}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "You said you were living down there at"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "one point."}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "I lived in a cumulatively I spent more"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "than a year living in a tent in"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Argentina. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "In Patagonia."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "Yeah. Southernmost Patagonia. Um outside"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "a little town called Elcalafate. It's"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "very far south."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Now, what o over what time period were"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "you doing this?"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "Uh my first expedition down there was"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "2004."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "And I ran expeditions there 2004, 5,6."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "What What drew you to that area? Well, I"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "had been working in in the sah uh the"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "Sahara desert of Egypt in a very lonely"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "place called the Baharia Oasis, which is"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "basically nowhere. It's halfway between"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "the Mediterranean and Sudan,"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "halfway between the Nile and Libya. And"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "I'd gone there with a team of colleagues"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "from the University of Pennsylvania and"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "uh we were endeavoring to find what were"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "known as the lost dinosaurs of Egypt."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "There were um four species of dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "that were found uh around 1911 by a"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "German paleontologist named Ernstmer van"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "Reinbach and um he excavated"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "um he seems like he was a good guy"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "actually. Um"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "he was early enough."}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "He eventually got these fossils to the"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "Bavarian Museum of Paleontology in"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "Munich and they were on display there"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "for decades."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "And then in April of 1944, they were"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "bombed by a British um air raid and um"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "the museum and those fossils were"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "destroyed. Now, most dinosaur species"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "are known from a single specimen. So,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "the species were gone to science."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "Oh man."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "And they became known as the lost"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "dinosaurs of Egypt. So, um for decades,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "paleontologists tried to get back in"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "there. They would write the authorities"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "in Cairo, never get a response. In the"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "80s, they would fax. in the 90s they"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "would email and nobody ever got a"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "response. And then um me and this group"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "from from you Pen um we got some money"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "from a film company um to to go find the"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "Lost Dinosaurs of Egypt."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "A film company?"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "Yeah. Um"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "like a Hollywood film company."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Yeah. There's a two-hour documentary on"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "that was on A&E called The Lost"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "Dinosaurs of Egypt. And it was actually"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "in part funded by Andrew and Carl Sean's"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "widow who Carl Sean was like my hero."}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "That might be in the title of this"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "episode just to let you know. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "pretty fire. Lost dinosaurs of Egypt."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "People are clicking."}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "Well, that's that's old news for me,"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "though. But, um, so we don't get an"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "answer either, but we've got the money."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "And so, we figure, well, screw it. We're"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "just going to go. So, we go to Egypt. We"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "find the head dude's office. We sit in"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "his lobby for 4 days, smile politely,"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "and drink tea. I was never more"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "caffeinated. While he walks in and out,"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "completely ignoring us, and then"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "finally, he stops and signs our desert"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "permits just to get us the hell out of"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "his office. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Um, previous to that I I had worked with"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "the the family of that old"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "paleontologist Ernst Strowmer and I had"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "access to his his field journals and his"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "maps."}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "Did they have did he have pictures of"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "this stuff though too? I"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "illustrations. Well, he had some"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "photographs that I found later in the in"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "the museum"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "because it's destroyed in 1944. So, I"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "imagine someone took a picture in the"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "museum, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Yeah, I found them in the attic of the"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "museum actually. There's some photograph"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "if you look up um"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Strowmer Spinosaurus photograph, you"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "might find it"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "because that at least gives you"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "something to work with. You can see the"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "outline."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "Well, we had his technical papers, so we"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "had a pretty good idea of of what it"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "would have looked like. So, okay, we go"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "there. Um yeah, those pictures there, I"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "I found those photos in the museum that"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "you see published there."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "And that's the Spinosaurus in question"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "right there from Egypt."}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Wow. Maybe they built the pyramids."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "Probably not."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "Yeah, probably."}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "I can hope though. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "So, I find Strowmer's Spinosaurus quarry"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "and I find hundred-year-old German"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "newsprint. Like things don't, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "degrade too much in the desert. I find"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "sardine cans. I find burlap. I find"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "plaster. He doesn't leave a single bone"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "behind. But in the course of prospecting"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "in the Bahar Oasis, we find a new"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "species of dinosaur that we named Parala"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "Titan. Um, we published it in 2001. At"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "the at the time, it's the world's second"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "largest dinosaur."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "Peraltitan."}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "Peraltitan means tidal giant. The the"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "geology that I did there showed that"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "Peraltitan lived in in a tidal mangrove"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "forest very far from the mainland. So,"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "this is the first like mangrove living"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "dinosaur that that we knew about."}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "Is that it?"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Sort of. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "Did you come up with the name yourself"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "or the"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "I did. I did. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "So, you've named a few dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "I had named a few. Yeah. Yeah. So,"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "that's 2001"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "um early in 2001 and and then 9/11"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "happens and now it doesn't look like"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "we're going back to Egypt and there was"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "actually some terrorist activity in the"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "Bahari Oasis."}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "and so I I set my sights on on"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "southernmost Patagonia because it's a"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "place I can see that has rocks of the"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "right age. Um, they're sedimentary"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "rocks, so you can form fossils. And"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "there's vast exposures of those rocks,"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "like bad lands. Imagine the bad lands of"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "South Dakota like times 25,"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "And better yet, no paleontologist had"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "really worked within about a thousand"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "kilometers of that site, which means you"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "have a very good probability of finding"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "new species if you're finding stuff"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "there. So, like perfect conditions for"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "me."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "You lived in a tent, you said."}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. So, I get down there, the"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "first field season is really rough. Um,"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "there's a dirt road that I have to"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "travel on four hours outside of town,"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "and then I don't have any way to get"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "across this river. There's no bridge, so"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "I have to raft across this roaring"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "glacial stream every time I want to get"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "to the site or every time I want to go"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "back to town for supplies. Um, we find"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "some huge, huge bones that year. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "I have no way to get them out of the"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "desert. So, I hire a couple of gauchos"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "and their horses and we cover these"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "bones in in burlap and plaster to"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "protect them. And then I got this this"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "piece of corrugated uh metal and we make"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "a sled out of it and we pat it out with"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "prairie grass and we strap the bones to"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "it and the galos drag the bones with"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "their horses out of the desert that way."}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "And that was our first field season. Um"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "it's a movie."}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "That's a movie."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "It was a that's a wild sight. The wind"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "in Patagonia is ferocious. like you"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "can't keep in Patagonia because they"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "just go away."}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "Um and um there were always scorpions"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "under my tent. There were often times"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "puma tracks outside my tent in the"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "morning."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "They bring up pumas. They roam that land"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "like crazy."}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "Yeah. They're very shy though. The"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "gauchos have hunted them mercilessly. So"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Oh, so they don't come after you at all?"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "No. No. I' I've saw tracks many many"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "times. I never saw Puma itself."}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "Yeah. I was watching"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "I love those Netflix documentaries like"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "Our Planet and all that. So I'll sit up"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "at night watching that. was watching an"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "episode on the Pumas down in Patagonia."}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "It's such a Patagonia is such a strange"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "landscape because you know you picture"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "I don't know something more simple like"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "a desert like the Sahara. It's just this"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "a lot of dirt and it's hot and"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "everything and then Patagonia has these"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "valleys and then roaming hills and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "got some vegetation."}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "It's amazing."}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "If if you just uh search my name in"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "Patagonia, you'll probably see a bunch"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "of pictures. What a flex. Just search my"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "name."}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "Sorry."}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "I'm like Mr. Patagonia. I'm the mayor,"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "actually."}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "There we go."}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "Yeah. There there's probably some"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "landscape picture. Well, there that uh"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "what fourth one is me laying next to a"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "big bone of dreadnotis there in the"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "field."}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "That's we're going to talk about that."}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "That's the one that that found."}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "clip. 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It's called Hydrosaurus and it"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "looks like dinosaur and we can we can"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "start we get our our current image like"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "the first iteration of that of what"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "dinosaurs are really like."}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "So this would have been swimming."}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "Right approximately where it is"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "and you would have been dying."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "Yeah. Now,"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "take me back to that first day when you"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "guys found something there because"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "you've been doing this all your life. I"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "do want to come back to like how you"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "even got into this as a kid. We'll get"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "there, but like"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "what what was found and did you have"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "like the Dr. House moment where you just"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "like look up and you're like, \"Holy"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "shit.\""}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "I didn't. I've had that moment elsewhere"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "in the world."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "Oh, you have? All right, we'll get"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "I have. But here, you know, it was it"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "was like a muddy pit that was being"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "mined for marl sand. You know, when they"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "were mining it, it was always kind of a"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "jumble. And I didn't think much of it."}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "This is back in 2003. And I thought,"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "well, you know, I could bring my"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "students here. They could find some"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "fossils. That'll be cute. And then I'll"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "go everywhere else in the world to do my"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "research, you know."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Um, so it wasn't until, you know, as I"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "said before, when the when the quarry"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "owner told me that they were going to go"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "out of business, um, that I I managed to"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "secure a corner of the quarry and when"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "we started to excavate methodically,"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "then I started to see what we had there"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "and and its scientific importance. And"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "then I knew I had to find a way to save"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "the site,"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "right? But so when you started to figure"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "out, maybe the question isn't the first"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "moment there, but when you start to"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "figure out like, oh my god, we just"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "found a dinosaur bone there. You gotta"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "be You got to be thinking, \"Oh my god, I"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "grew up in Lynwood, New Jersey. This is"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "like 50 miles from where I grew up, and"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "this is where it happened.\" Right."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "Well, it it didn't surprise me um to"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "find a dinosaur bone there because"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "people don't know this, but southern New"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Jersey is like the cradle of dinosaur"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "paleontology."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "And you knew that before all this?"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "I knew that. Yeah. So, dinosaurs were"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "first recognized from really scrappy"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "remains in in England. And so in the"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "early part of the 19th century, um,"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "bones start turning up, uh, about an"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "hour south of London and the Tilgate"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "Forest and other places. They can't"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "really tell what they are because the"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "remains are are so scrappy."}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "Um, and that's how they get the name"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "dinosaur. In in 1841, a British"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "anatomist, uh, Richard Owens, uh, gives"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "them that name. He buries it on like"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "page, you know, 240 of the Mesazoic"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "Reptiles of of Great Britain because he"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "doesn't even think it's important. And"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "he he says there's a new tribe of"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "crocodile lizards is what he calls them."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "And he gives them the name dinosaur,"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "which means which means terrible lizard."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "So he thinks they're the just these big"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "puffed up lizards. If you look at the"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "Crystal Palace dinosaurs, these are the"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "first reconstructions of dinosaurs made"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "for a big exposition in in Great Britain"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "in the the mid um 1800s. And they look"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "like monsters, right? They don't really"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "know what they are. Um, so that"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "dinosaurs do look like when you look at"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "them, it's like what you think was"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "not good monsters. They're not"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "not the fun kind."}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "Not the fun. Just like kind of gross"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "monsters."}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "You said it was Crystal Palace."}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "Crystal Palace Dinosaurs. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "Crystal Palace Dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "Yeah. Um,"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "that's 1841. And then in 1858,"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "the world's first nearly complete"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "dinosaur skeleton is found. Yeah. Those"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "are the They still exist in a park south"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "of London. Um those sculptures."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Oh, I didn't real They're full"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "sculptures."}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "They're sculptures. Yeah. By a guy named"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "Benjamin Waterhouse Hawkins."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "Yeah, they look like giant iguanas."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "Yeah. In fact, one of them is called"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "iguanadon."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "Yeah, that makes sense."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "Yeah. So, that was 1858."}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "And look how like brutish and primitive"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "they look. So, that's our first"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "conception of dinosaurs. 1851. And then"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "in 1858, the world's first nearly"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "complete dinosaur skeleton is found."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "It's called Hydrosaurus. And it looks"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "like dinosaur. And we can we can start"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "we get our our current image like the"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "first iteration of that of what"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "dinosaurs are really like. And that's"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "found in Hadenfield, New Jersey."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "Come on."}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "In 1858."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "Is that what that's not why they named a"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "hydrasaurus, right?"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "It is. I mean, in the paper he says it's"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "it's the Greek hydro, which means bulky."}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "So, it's bulky lizard, but really it's"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "got to be a double antandre, right?"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "all right. So, hydrasaurus. What period"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "did they exist in? Jurassic."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "Lake Cretaceous."}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Lake Cretaceous. So, similar to the"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "T-Rex."}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "Yes. The similar to T-Rex."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "Got it. How big were these things?"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "They were big. Well, you see the the"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "human for scale there. I mean, they're"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "elephant sized."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Yeah, maybe a little bigger, really. Um,"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "so world's first nearly complete"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "dinosaur skeleton found in southern New"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Jersey in 1858. And then as we spoke of,"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "everybody knows T-Rex, but T-Rex isn't"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "the only Tyrannosaur. There are over two"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "dozen types of Tyrannosaur. T-Rex isn't"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "the first discovered. The first"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "discovered Tyrannosaur is found in Manua"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "Township, South Jersey in 1866."}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Come on."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "It's a dinosaur called Driptosaurus."}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "Ken, why were you not just like before"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "you even found this land, why were you"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "not out there with like a dinosaur"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "detector, you know, like they have the"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "gold detectors? I if I were you, I would"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "have been out there every day waiting"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "for a beep going, \"Got one.\""}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "I don't have a dinosaur detector."}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "All right. Well, we got We should have"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "gotten you one."}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "It's It's called a shovel,"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "right? Yeah. I would have been out there"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "with my shovel cuz if I knew that they"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "had found that kind of history there,"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "I'm like, there's got to be more."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "Yeah. So, there's Dryptosaurus. And uh"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "do we have the history, Joe? Hold on. Go"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "back to discovery and species if you"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "don't mind."}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "All right. So up until 1866, theropods"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "from the Americas were only known from"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "isolated teeth discovered by Ferdinand"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Van Hayden during geological survey"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "excursions in in Montana. During the"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "summer of 1866, workers from the West"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "Jersey Marl Company uncovered an"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "incomplete theropod skeleton in a quarry"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "near Barnes, New Jersey by the Barnes"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "Wind probably, right?"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Yep. with sediments belonging to the"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "masterition"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "aged New Egypt formation in August 1860."}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "That's a little bit wrong, but yeah,"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "that's a what's wrong? Well,"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "I wouldn't call it I would call it the"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "Hornerstown Formation or actually no,"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "that's the Navis formation there."}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "Navinc,"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "but it's the Mrician period."}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "And then August 1866, paleontologist"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "Edward Drinker Cop. What a name."}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "I used to have his job."}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "You had his job?"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "At the Academy of Natural Sciences."}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "Wow. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "you got a resume."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "Edward Drinker Coat, by the way, didn't"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "drink, which is a little disappointing."}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "I know. Yeah, totler."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "it's unfortunate. All right."}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "When he arrived, he was thoroughly"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "surprised by the skeleton's completeness"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "and uniqueness, calling it the finest"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "discovery I've yet made. The skeleton"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "was then deposited. There it is at the"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "Academy of Natural Scientist Sciences in"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "Philadelphia under the catalog number,"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "whatever that is."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Lots of other new species. A"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "new specy of mosasaur species of"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "mosasaur was discovered in Swedesboro,"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "southern New Jersey. Other dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "found in, you know, the mill pond in"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "Mullica Hill where he used to live."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "Dinosaurs found there. There was there"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "was something like a a Gimmus found"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "there. Um so there's this there's this"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "swath of Cretaceous that outcrops from"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "about Freehold, New Jersey, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Springsteen Land. um comes down through"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Cherry Hill, through Mullica Hill, goes"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "kind of out past um um like Salem and"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "then goes"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "going down 322."}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "Yeah, basically. And then, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "like like down I I 95. Um"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "So, if you live on that stuff, there's a"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "good chance you could find dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "I mean, to me, when you say something"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "like that, that is akin"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "I'm not even just thinking about the"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "wonder of like the science. Let's just"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "look at it monetarily. That's akin to"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "like having a gold mine down there. I"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "mean, this stuff's got to be worse."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "I guess if you sold them. I've never"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "sold a fossil in my life and never will."}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "No, never."}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "Not once."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "Not one?"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "Not even on like Craigslist?"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Nope."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "No, it never will."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "I bought a few, but I won't sell."}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Oh, you bought a few."}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "A few like small things that I needed"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "for teaching or something, but Okay. um"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "you know the commercial trade in in u"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "fossils is very um harmful to"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "paleontology"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "um because what happens well when I"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "started my career and I would I would go"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "out to places like Montana and Wyoming"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "um I'd pull up on a ranch and I' I'd"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "find the rancher and I'd say you know"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "hey I'm a paleontologist you mind if I"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "poke around I'm looking for fossils and"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "they'd be like yeah sure go ahead we"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "don't care um"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "in Jersey that would have been like"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "off"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "yeah pretty much yeah Um,"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "and then, um, you've heard of the T-Rex"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "named Sue, right? It's at the Field"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "Museum now. It's a huge controversy."}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "It's it's a sorted sorted tale,"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "but someone Elizabeth Weiss, I think,"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "was talking about that when she was in"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "But there was I mean, it's a whole big"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "story. But eventually, um, McDonald's"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "bought Sue for $8 million. They thought"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "they were doing something good and"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "donated it to the Field Museum. Well,"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "guess what? That set the market."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "Oh, no. And now every rancher who lives"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "on, you know, dinosaur age material"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "thinks they've got their retirement"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "sitting, you know, underground. So now"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "you walk up to a rancher and they're"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "like, you know, you you can't do it. You"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "can't get on the property. And then"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "commercial collectors go out and they"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "dig up dinosaurs and they they auction"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "them off, you know, Christies and"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "Barclays and and for tens of millions of"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "dollars."}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "clip. If you haven't already subscribed,"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "please subscribe and hit the like button"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "on this video. 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[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Birds aren't terasaurs, but they're the"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "group ornithod includes all dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "and the terasaurs."}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Wait, hold on. Back that up. I got to"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "make sure it went in my brain. Right."}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Say that again."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "So, were there any dinosaurs? Let's look"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "at the Jurassic period. Were there any"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "dinosaurs that we can"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "use science to determine, I don't know,"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "by brain size or things that we find"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "that that you would characterize as very"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "intelligent?"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": ">> Well, yeah. I mean, we have some alive"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "today. Crows are super smart."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": ">> Um, parrots are super smart."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": ">> Pigeons,"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": ">> pigeons are pretty smart. Yeah, they"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "certainly have an unbelievable sense of"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "direction."}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": ">> I have I have an ongoing feud with my"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "buddy Mark Gagnan. He thinks pigeons are"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "like not smart at all. But I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "they're a top 10 smart animal."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": ">> Pigeons will literally walk out"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "here. It's crazy. They're like going"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "side to side. Very cool."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Yeah. No, they're remarkable animals."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Yeah. So, they're"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": ">> Yep. Pigeons are dinosaurs. A ruby"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "throatated hummingbird is a dinosaur."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "Flamingo is a dinosaur. Mosasaur is not"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "a dinosaur. Plesiosaur is not a not a"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "dinosaur. Pterodactyl is not a dinosaur."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:07", "text": ">> When did the pterodact Did the"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "pterodactyl go extinct at the asteroid,"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "too?"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Perosaurs did. Yeah. The larger group."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": ">> So, they're not dinosaurs. What What did"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "we characterize them as again?"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Well, they don't they don't have like a"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "very marketable name. They're um they're"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "in a group called the the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "terasauria. And then they have um um"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "ornithodra is the bigger group that"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "they're in. So dinosaurs and terasaurs"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "are united in a group called ornithodra."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": ">> Ornithodra. And there's nothing that"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "still exists of that."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": ">> Birds."}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "Birds aren't terasaur, but they're the"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "group ornithodra includes all dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "and the terasaur."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": ">> Wait, hold on. Back that up. I got to"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "make sure it went in my brain. Right."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Say that again if you don't mind."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": ">> So you can unite any two creatures in a"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "larger group."}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:55", "text": ">> Right. Like us and a earthworm are in"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "the really big group calledia, right?"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "We're both animals. So any two creatures"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "are in some group together."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": ">> So the group that terasaurs and"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "dinosaurs are both in is called"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "ornithodra."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Okay. So it's a part of a larger tent."}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": ">> So we trace birds to them. But birds are"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "traced to both. But at the top of that"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "tent where you have the ornithodra and"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "the dinosaurs, the ornithodra were"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "totally separate from the dinosaurs and"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "cannot be traced."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Well, think of here's here's the"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "dinosaurs. Here's the terasaur. Yep."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "Right. This is ornithodyra and then"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "dinosaurs branch and there's lots of"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "branches here, right?"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": ">> So dinosaurville here,"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:42", "text": ">> terasaur land here."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:43", "text": ">> Understood."}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Okay. Now, what other, you know, large"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "species, maybe we can actually talk"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "about what you already hinted at earlier"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "with what was going on in the seas back"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "then, but during the Jurassic period,"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "what other large species besides"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "dinosaurs were existing and thriving?"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:58", "text": ">> Well, on land there's not there's not"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "anything else that's really big besides"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "dinosaurs. M um and then in the ocean at"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "various times large marine reptiles have"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "evolved but again they're not dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "but you know plesiosaurs and which are"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "like whalesized creatures. They look"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "like the the non-existent Loch Ness"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "monster. Um"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": ">> they're plesiosaurs. Can we close up?"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:21", "text": ">> See this?"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Let's pull that first one, Joe."}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "Top left."}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "So that's a plesius plesiosaur right"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": ">> Yeah. So there. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": ">> Yeah. So those are really scary uh sea"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "monsters and they were real. Um"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": ">> and then the"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Where did we find their fossils? Did we"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "find any of that like on land because it"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "used to be where sea is or"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": ">> That's right. We find them in marine"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "deposits that that are on land now."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Got it. And so, um, originally they were"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "found in, um, Northern Europe, like in"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "the Netherlands and in southern England."}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Yeah. In the the Dorset coast, um, is a"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "great place for that. Pull up the"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "Mosasaur. The Mosasaurus."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "That is the all-time apex predator ever"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "of of the oceans."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": ">> How big are we talking?"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": ">> They could get to be like 55t long."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": ">> So,"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": ">> oh my. So, there you go. That second"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "picture is a good one there."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": ">> it's like a killer whale meets a great"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "white meets a T-Rex of the sea."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, so they're 55 ft long. You"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "know what a komodo dragon is? Yes."}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": ">> It's a marine komodo dragon essentially."}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": ">> You ever seen those things eat a goat?"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. They're they're monsters."}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:39", "text": ">> Yeah. So, uh, imagine a a dragon"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "post-traumatic stress back here."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "As long as a school bus paddles for"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "limbs, six foot jaw, and then they have"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "a second set of teeth at the top of"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "their throat that points backwards to"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "keep you from swimming back out."}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": ">> You might think you're just dead before"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "you get there. You know what I mean?"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "Like they already get you. You're dead."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "I'm not trying to swim back out."}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": ">> Whoa. Is that it? Is eating supposedly"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "like a great white shark?"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:11", "text": ">> Well, they didn't exist, but there was"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "comparison."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": ">> Lots of big sharks. I don't know if you"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "can see those back of the throat teeth."}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "They're called the terragoid jaws."}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "So, oh, look, the upper left hand"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "picture shows those extra set of teeth"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "in the mouth."}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": ">> That's a dragon of the water."}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": ">> Yeah, right there. If you zoom into the"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "mouth, you'll see those extra teeth."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": ">> All right, let's see how close we can"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "get there, Joe."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I can kind of see it already,"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "but I don't know if people out there can"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "see it. It's in the back. you're saying"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "it's like, yeah, whoa."}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": ">> So, what maybe my favorite fossil that"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "we found at the fossil park is we found"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "one of those terragoid jaws with all the"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "teeth in it. And what's amazing about"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "our location, so so again, the fossil"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "park site was was underwater"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": ">> in the Cretaceous period. In our second"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "gallery called Monster Seas, everything"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "in that gallery was found on the"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "property in a layer that goes about 65"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "feet under your feet where you'll be"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "standing there. And these creatures"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "lived here. So when you see our giant"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "Mosasaurus, if if you can pull that up"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "if you look if you search for"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": ">> like the word park and yeah"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "RS on the"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": ">> um"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": ">> is that why they named it that? No."}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": ">> Cuz no"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": ">> you'll see a a 55 foot long mosasaur and"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "like in the fullness of time it's nearly"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "a statistical certainty that a mosasaur"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "of that size was in that position right"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "where you see it in the museum today."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "Yeah. There's our mosasaurs."}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:39", "text": ">> Oh, that's yours right there."}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": ">> Yeah, that's the museum."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "Whoa. Now,"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": ">> that's actual size."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Actual size. And there was almost"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "certainly one right there um"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "66 million years ago. So, we have an"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "amazing paleo artist that did over 50"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "full-scale reconstructions for us like"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "this. It took him in his studio outside"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "Kansas City um more than three years."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": ">> He's a paleo artist."}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": ">> Paleo artist. His name is Gary Stab. S T"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "A B. He's the world's greatest paleo"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "artist. He used to win the National"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "Geographic Paleo Art Award every year"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "until finally they made him a judge so"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "somebody else could win."}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": ">> So he does an unbelievable amount of"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "research."}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": ">> How do you how does he go I mean this is"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "such a broad question but how does he go"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "about doing that? Like he gets maybe not"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "even a full set of bones but he gets"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "enough to have an idea of a structure"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "and then I mean how accurate is it I"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "guess is the question."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": ">> It's as accurate as it can be"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> as it can be. Um, so Gary first starts"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "with a tremendous amount of research and"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "you know he would never call himself a"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "scientist but he's a damn good scientist"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "and he he um has an unbelievable breath"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "of anatomical knowledge. And so he"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "starts with that and then he will make a"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "one/10enth scale clay mocket of that and"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "we iterate on that to get the pose right"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "and everything. Um and then he scans"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "that and he uses a CNC machine to cut"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "about 8 inch foam slices. M"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": ">> and you can imagine how many there would"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "be in a in a creature like this. Glues"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "them all together"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": ">> and then puts resin or something on the"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "outside and then starts to sculpt all"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "the scales. And he he'll say, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "you start at the tail and then a couple"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "hundred thousand scales later, you're"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "done. Um he makes the eyes himself, he"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "makes the teeth himself and then he"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "paints the whole thing. He puts in"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "pathologies and scars and things like"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": ">> That's amazing."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": ">> They're unbelievably lifelike."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:32", "text": ">> That's amazing. I got to come visit"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "this."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": ">> You have to. This is so cool. I can't"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "believe this was right there."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Right there"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:38", "text": ">> the whole time."}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": ">> It's behind the Chick-fil-A."}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": ">> I know."}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:42", "text": ">> God damn it."}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:44", "text": ">> He's like, \"Yeah, there's a massage"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "parlor in the back.\""}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": ">> That's not true."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": ">> Wow. Thank you guys for checking out"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "this clip. 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So,"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "but it's it's not so earthshattering"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "like the the big five,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "but the species."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "So, dinosaurs,"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "going back to that, you said they were"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "like apt to form during this period."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "This is when this is when they form into"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "like the cat like cat-sized creatures."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "And how long was that period before the"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "fourth extinction"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "or fifth extinction, whichever one?"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "Um, so dinosaurs form near the near the"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "end of the triacic period. That's"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "aboutund I'm sorry that's about 237"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "million years ago."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "Um and then really the dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "kind of become what we think of as"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "dinosaurs in the Jurassic period. That's"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "when they become very biodiverse. That's"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "when they start to conquer new lands."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "That's when they get really big. That's"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "when we see the first giant dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "What percentage of the planet of species"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "do you think dinosaurs were at the time"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "based on all the other species that were"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "there? Is it 40%? Is it 10%. Do we know?"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "Well, big creatures are never a large"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "percentage of the species. Most species"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "are bacteria,"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "That was a dumb way of asking that."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "Excluding things like insects or very"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "small things as far as like in what we"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "would now term like mammals or stuff"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "like that. Like what percentage of"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "larger animals?"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "Yeah. In terms of let's call it macro"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "fauna. Let's say that."}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "Um a very high percentage. I mean"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "dinosaurs on land, right? Dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "dominated the terrestrial ecosystems for"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "the better part of 165 million years."}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "Um, our ancestors are little shrew-like"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "mammals. Um, we evolved first about 20"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "million years after the first dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "So, so out of that 165 million year run,"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "we're there for almost all of it. Our"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "our mamleian ancestors,"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "not humans, but the ancestor."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "We were your your great grandma was a"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "little shrewlike creature back in the"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "Mesazoic. um"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "they have a tough time competing with"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "dinosaurs. So mammals for the most part"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "they go nocturnal. They all stay small."}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "They're living really in the hidden and"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "forgotten recesses of the dinosaur world"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "hoping never to be noticed. That goes on"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "for an unimaginable amount of time and"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "then the dinosaurs are wiped out in a"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "cosmic accident and the surviving little"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "tiny mammals can now walk out under the"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "blue sky and they don't have the threat"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "of dinosaurs anymore and they quickly"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "quickly evolve into the the mamalian"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "fauna that we see today. It's not long"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "before we see the first proto primates."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "It's not long before we see proto whales"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "and and the earliest ariodactyls things"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "with hooves and you know all of a sudden"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "think of an ecological niche as like a"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "job description and all of a sudden like"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "you know the great depression comes like"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "all the jobs are just wiped off."}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "And and and now all of a sudden we're in"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "an economic boom and now there's all"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "these unopened these unfilled job"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "positions and mammals quickly evolve"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "into all of those and we have this burst"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "of radiation. It's called a ev"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "evolution. It's called an adaptive"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "radiation. And all of a sudden, it's the"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "age of mammals."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "Now, to go back for one second though,"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "because there were three official eras"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "of dinosaurs before the asteroid hits."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "The second one is the Jurassic one, and"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "you said that's the one where they start"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "to get really big and like the dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "we recognize."}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "How did the Jurassic end? And what did"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "dinosaurs look like on the other side of"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "that for the third period? Did they kind"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "of have to start over in size?"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "No. There are um there's extinctions"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "that happen at the end of the Jurassic"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "that that we use to define it, but"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "they're more minor extinctions. It's not"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "one of the big five mass extinctions."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "So, it's it's not a huge cataclysm. It's"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "these are more subtle changes that are"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "happening, but um but enables"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "paleontologists to know you're in the"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "one period versus the next."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "Okay. So,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "but it's it's not so earthshattering"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "like the the big five,"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "but the species basically survived then"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "in that case. So you might have a T-Rex"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "in in the Jurassic period and you still"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "have a T-Rex."}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Well, T-Rex are only at the end of the"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "Cretaceous period."}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "I couldn't even get that right. Damn it."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "Species generally, I mean, as a rule of"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "thumb, high high amount of variability"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "in this, but as a rule of thumb, species"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "persist about a million years before"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "they turn into something else or or"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "maybe go extinct."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "Where did the T-Rex come from? What did"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Let's Let's unwind that one."}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "Asia."}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Yeah. But yeah, but where like what did"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "it start as? or maybe not start as but"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "like what did what would we know it to"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "have evolved from?"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "Well, there's first we have uh theropod"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "dinosaurs and these are among the"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "earliest forms of dinosaurs. Um but then"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "later much later there's a group of"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "dinosaurs that we would call the"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "tyrannosauroids"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "which are and there's there's over two"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "dozen uh of those known now. And um it"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "seems like the precursor of of the North"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "American Tyrannosaurs came over from"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "Asia. Asia was connected about where"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "Alaska is to North America. Um and then"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "T-Rex shows up right at the at the very"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "end. Evolves right at the end. So, you"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "know, dinosaurs lived at different"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "times, but T-Rex happens to be alive"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "when the meteor hit."}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "Um you know, it's founded in in Montana"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "and Wyoming, but also Texas. 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They not"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "necessarily killed in extinction, but"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "you know, species last for some time and"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "then they either turn into something"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "else or they go extinct. Was the T-Rex"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "like the king of the jungle at that"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "time, would you say?"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "T-Rex is, you know, obviously the most"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "famous dinosaur. It's not even close."}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "And honestly, it's it's worthy of its"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "extra measure of fame. Um, T-Rex was"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "huge. It was powerful. It was fast. It"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "could smell really well. It could see"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "you if you were moving or not moving."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "That's that's a Jurassic Park myth,"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "right? Um, so T-Rex is about the most"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "badass thing that's ever walked on land."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "What What What are some, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "Jurassic Park is obviously like a"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "supernatural movie and and all that, so"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "I'm sure as a paleontologist, some of it"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "makes you bang your head against the"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "wall, but what what are some themes"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "there that they really did get right?"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "Well, so first, I love the Jurassic"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "movies. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "they're they're fun summer monster"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "movies."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "Good for you. I like that. And like if"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "they inspire you, then go to the library"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "and get a book about dinosaurs and and"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "learn something, right? But there's a"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "whole generation of paleontologists a"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "little younger than me that have their"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "origin story with when Jurassic Park"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "came out in 1993. And that's cool. So,"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "and I'm sure every time one of those"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Jurassic movies comes out, there's"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "there's a new batch of paleontologists"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "that are born as a result. And um you"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "know, and geneticists as well, and"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "probably all kinds of other scientists."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "So, they're great and they're fun and"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "and you know, I love them. Um, they get"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "a lot of the science wrong, but you"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "is there stuff they get right?"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Yeah, I I think so. Um,"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "but there's some stuff that like, you"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "know, you know how big a velociraptor"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "skull is?"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "No,"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "it's it's about like that."}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "And they made it way bigger."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "Way way bigger. Right. So, a velociaptor"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "they got to sell a movie, though."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Is is little. A velociraptor is more"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "like more like a pissed-off turkey,"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "right? Yeah. Like"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "turkeys will get you."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "they run at you hard."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "You could take a turkey. I'm sure"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "you could take you could take a"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "velocirap if there's a velociraptor in"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "your kitchen. It's more of an"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "opportunity than a problem. You just"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "like open up a can of cranberry sauce"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "and preheat the oven and you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "it's going to climb in."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "Well, you'd have to do something. But,"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "you know, it's"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "it's probably good eating. Probably"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "tastes like chicken."}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "You telling me chickens are little"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "velociraptors?"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "Well, chickens are dinosaurs, so we"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "literally know what dinosaur tastes"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "like."}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "They are. I eat chicken every day. So, I"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "mean, a dinosaur"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "dinosaur. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "Dinosaur flesh courses through your"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "blood."}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "Chickens. Chickens are not the"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "brightest, though. Like,"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "they are not. I have chickens. They're"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "really dumb."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "Oh, you have some. Do you like cook them"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "or"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "No, no, they're pets. We have pets. Oh,"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "sorry."}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "They have names. We bury them when they"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "die."}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "yeah. So,"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "sorry."}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "But they're dumb. They're really dumb."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "So, we have um imagine we've got that"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "our deck is here"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "and then the chicken coupe and then the"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "door to the chicken coop is on the far"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "side. So, I'll go go out on the deck and"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "I'll throw pizza crust in the backyard"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "and they can't figure out how to get to"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "it even if their doors open. They'll"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "like bang their heads oh wow"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "on the on the fence and then they start"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "to walk to their gate and they look"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "around and they're like but the pizza"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "crust is getting smaller and then they"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "run back to it and it takes them like"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "it's like a Rubik's cube. It takes them"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "like 10 minutes to figure out that they"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "have to go away from the pizza crust"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "before they can get to the pizza crust."}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "They are not smart animals."}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "Are they nice to you? Like do you do you"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "get to pet them or"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "I only we've had chickens for a long"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "time. I've only had one that like made"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "friends with me cuz"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "if they were bigger they'd probably eat."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "It remembered that I gave it some"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "goldfish crackers on the deck and then"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "it would come up like every day looking"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "for some goldfish crackers and it would"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "sit it would sleep next to me while I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "you know reading a book or something."}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "Yeah, they're nasty. I mean, you ever"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "seen a fight?"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "I No, I never have."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "Listen, they I've seen it in movies."}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "That's enough for me."}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "That's actually the first time anyone's"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "asked me that, but I've never seen"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "they they can they can It wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "pause, but still like they can go at it."}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "And I always think like they're like"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "this big. Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "And we cook them all the time."}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "They're really mean to each other,"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "especially if if one of them gets"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "injured and they see the red of the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "blood, like they will just attack that"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "poor chicken."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "Yeah. You can see"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "it's like the Hunger Games out"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "there. You can see I I I made a a slow"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "motion film of our chickens running"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "across our front yard and I I put the"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "Jurassic Park music in. It's on my"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "Instagram feed"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "and they're dinosaurs. I mean, you can"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "see it when you see these chickens in"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "slow-mo going across our front yard."}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "Dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "They look like a stack of dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "in a way. That's crazy."}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "Yeah. 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We're just not we're just"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "not built to to perceive the kinds of"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "changes that are happening in this"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "world. And"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:42", "text": ">> um you know what really scares me like"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "uh less than a year ago, the World"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "Wildlife uh fund"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": ">> um issued a report and and now I'm"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "talking in numbers of animals, not"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "species,"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": ">> since 1970. Yes."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:59", "text": ">> In terms of larger creatures, not not"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "insects or microbes, since 1970,"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "72% of wildlife has disappeared on the"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "planet."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": ">> Crazy."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:09", "text": ">> 72%. How is that not on the front page"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "of every newspaper every day"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": ">> because people are still getting their"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "Chick-fil-A and, you know, doing their"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "thing and going about their 9 to5."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": ">> We're not perceiving it. You know, I"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "noticed it when when I was starting my"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "career, right, and I was a young"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "paleontologist and I'd go out to places"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "like Wyoming in the summer and I'd get a"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "pickup truck and I'd drive across the"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "state."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": ">> I'd have to stop and squeegee the"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "grasshoppers off my windshield about"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "every 20 minutes because you couldn't"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "see otherwise. I was out in Wyoming a"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "couple summers ago and drove across the"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "state. I don't think a bug hit my"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "windshield."}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": ">> That's bad. That's bad. If the insects"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "aren't thriving, nothing else is going"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "to thrive. And you know, but these"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "changes happen so slowly"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": ">> on a on a human time scale that we just"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "we don't see them."}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": ">> Yeah. And I think also the really"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "unfortunate stuff that happens with this"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "is you get we're so flawed as humans in"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "the process as well. And so you'll get"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "people to take advantage of these things"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "and who don't really even give a"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "about anything that's happening. And"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "they'll try to say, \"Well, more for me,"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "less for you.\" And that's something like"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "when you're trying to have a good"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "conversation about well what is going on"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "with our climate? What have we done"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "since the industrial revolution that's"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "affected our atmosphere and and"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "different aspects of like how this place"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "works. You know we it it ultimately"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "comes back to well the buck's going to"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "stop with either totally free"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "corporations doing whatever they want or"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "the government shutting everything down"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "and telling every people what to do. And"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "both extremes piss off a huge semblance"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "of the population no matter where you"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "go. And we kind of live in this world"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "where it flips back and forth like that."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "And so I I worry that like we can't have"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "these conversations because people"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "either like completely say all true or"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "all false and you don't you don't get"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "anywhere with it because it's also like"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "a lot of people out there who aren't"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "scientists as well. And you know they're"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "trying to make a decision on what that"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "is. And I don't think that that should"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "be room for scientists to say well we're"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "the only people that are allowed to talk"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "about this to be clear. But I also think"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "like we have to get back to the like"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "well what is the empirical evidence"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "here? What has changed? What is what's"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "something that's a part of you know just"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "a phase of change that happens over time"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "versus things that look permanent that"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "we're doing that could be causing an"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "extinction. And then somehow you got to"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "start that conversation with people and"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "you know think about a thousand years"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "from now which is as you've just laid"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "out beautifully. It's very hard to get"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "people to think about a thousand seconds"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "from now. Yeah. You know now they're"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "going to think about a thousand years."}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "It's tough man."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, you know, I mean,"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "science is in economics. It's not"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "economics, right? So, we we don't"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "necessarily have the the answers there."}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "It's not politics. We don't necessaril"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "necessarily have the answers there."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": ">> But we have the data and we know how the"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "world works better than anyone. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "think about it. How does every single"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "disaster movie start? With a scientist"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "being ignored."}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:02", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Right. It's true."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:03", "text": ">> It's very true."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Um or I Am Legend with a scientist"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "telling everyone that we s we cured"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "cancer."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "So what what we try to do at the Edelman"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Fossil Park and Museum is is give people"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "a deep time perspective and a deep space"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "perspective because when you start to"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "look at it that way when you if you pull"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "back and you know in the the Apollo 8"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "mission the the first one to go to the"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "the back side of the moon astronaut Bill"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "Anders took that famous earthrise"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "picture where you see the Earth rising"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "up over the moon."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Iconic picture. It's it's credited with"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "really kicking off the environmental"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "movement, but when you see the planet"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "that way, there's no us and them, right?"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "And there's no anywhere else either. We"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "live on this tiny little rocky lifeboat"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "in space and and you know, I try to get"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "people to think I gave a talk last night"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "and you know, I asked the audience like,"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "imagine, yeah, there it is. Um, imagine"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "you're a drift in a little lifeboat in"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "the Pacific Ocean with like four or five"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "other people. Like, how much are you"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "going to care for that lifeboat? How"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "much you going to think about? How much"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "you going to do upon it? How quickly"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "will you be to repair it? How much are"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "you going to love that lifeboat? Will"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "you pull back into space and and get"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "that picture?"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": ">> That's our situation. We live on this"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "tiny little lonely lifeboat in space."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "And I'm sorry, Elon Musk. There's no"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "planet B. We're not going to put a"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "million people on Mars. You know why?"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": ">> It'd be very cool, though."}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": ">> Because Mars is terrible."}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": ">> No, we're going to go to Mars. We're"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "gonna plant the Explorers flag on Mars."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "You know, the Explorers Club flag."}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": ">> But Mars doesn't have nicities like like"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "drinkable water and a breathable"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "atmosphere and a magnetosphere to"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "protect us from the sun's deadly"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "radiation. We have an entire continent"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "on Earth, Antarctica, that we don't even"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "have a breeding population of humans on."}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "I looked it up. There's been 11 babies"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "born in Antarctica."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:02", "text": ">> 11?"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": ">> 11?"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Were they born in the Nazi bunker that"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "allegedly exists there?"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": ">> I don't know about that."}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:10", "text": ">> Uhoh."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": ">> But I have heard of action going I've"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "heard of the McMmero marriage, the"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "tarmac divorce. I think that probably"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "relates to that."}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:18", "text": ">> I don't know what that is."}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": ">> I think, you know, it's there's a long"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "winter in Antarctica. So, I think"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "people, you know, get busy."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": ">> It's an interesting point though because"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "there are places that we don't even we"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "can't even inhabit here and we're trying"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "to figure out how to do another planet."}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "I love the idea like it's great to"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "shoot. Yes. But this is our home and you"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "know we have this"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": ">> planet that we are exquisitely adapted"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "to and for and it it suits all of our"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "needs. It has everything we need and"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": ">> why you know preserve this little lonely"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "lifeboat that we have cuz it's really"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "all we're ever going to have him and"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "we're not going to send you know a"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "rocket ship to another star system and"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "colonize that because because we can't."}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "If you if you wanted to well here if you"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "go to like if you want to send an"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "intergenerational mission to say a"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "planet going around Alpha Centauri Beta"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "Centauri it's a little closer."}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Well those people are going to leave"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Earth and and never return right and so"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "it's a multigenerational mission. How"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "does speciation happen? It always"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "happens in the presence of geographic"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "separation. Right? Go back to that"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "biological definition of a species. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "a group of interbreeding organisms. when"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "they get on that spaceship and they"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "leave and they take their genes with"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "them never to mix with our genes again."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "At that moment, they're a different"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "species."}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": ">> That's so interesting. I never thought"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "of it that way."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> So, yeah, we could send another species"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "to another star system, but it's not us"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "anymore."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": ">> So, I don't know. Maybe this will come"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "back parallel. Maybe you can shoot me"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "down and it's not. But like you've seen"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "the movie Interstellar."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": ">> Before. So technically Matthew McConna"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "he leaves the earth only a certain I"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "forget what the exact time was but only"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "a certain amount of time in his life"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "passes not a ton of time but when he"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "gets back to earth it's now been 80"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "years right so he was in a time warp and"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "so I've always looked at it with the if"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "I'm just looking at it definitionally"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "the argument there is that he's actually"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "an alien because he's returning to a"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "place that he did that he's never been"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "to before in in a way, you know what I"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "mean? Because his time didn't pass, but"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "theirs did. And I think what you're"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "getting at with the interspeciation and"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "what a gene pool would do if it left"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "here is a similar idea. It's like, yes,"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "let's say there's men and women on that"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "flight, right? And they go there and"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "maybe they breed together in their new"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "place. They are going to at some point"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "be starting a new species there because"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "it's a different environment, different"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "adaptation happens. Maybe there's"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "interbreeding with whatever's there. And"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "now you get a whole new type of world."}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": ">> Even just random genetic drift. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "their their genome is just going to go"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "to a place that ours are not, right? And"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "so, you know, eventually uh given enough"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "time, we wouldn't be able to breed with"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "them, right? Which makes us a different"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "species."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": ">> And time could be 300 years or 300"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "million years. It's hard to say, but"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:10", "text": ">> it'd be more than 300. It'd be a long"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "time. be a very long time,"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> but it would happen"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": ">> cuz we started this conversation talking"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "about how long it might have taken"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "crocodiles to form into a crocodile"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "after that third extinction. And it's"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "like again, this is where you get into"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "hundreds of millions of years. It starts"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "as a little bug or whatever in the post"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "apocalyptic world and then eventually"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "works his way up to this, what' you say,"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "15 foot bipeedal thing running through"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "the woods. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": ">> yeah. I mean, in the case of us"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "vertebrates, we go back to a very"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "particular lineage of essentially little"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "wormy-l like creatures that uh"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "eventually develop um it's called a"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "noticord. It's like a a a stiffened uh"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "central nervous system and then that"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "eventually becomes oified to form a"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "spinal column, right? And then that's"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "when we have vertebrates. Um, and then"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "that's so we wouldn't go from like a bug"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "to a crocodile, but we go from this this"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "these precursors of vertebrates through"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "vertebrates to, you know, all the"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "creatures with bones"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": ">> over a very long period of time."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Yeah, that's hundreds of millions of"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": ">> Hundreds of millions of years. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "clip. 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The"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "pyramids not being part of them. Okay."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "The period pyramid under the ice. Okay."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "We'll get to that next time. That's"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "number three. Don't shut that down."}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": ">> Podcast number three. I got to go."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Is that more plausible? Is it more easy"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "to extend consciousness to other planets"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "or to extend consciousness to this"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "planet on Earth? Imagine if he dumped a"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "trillion dollars into saving the Earth,"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "whatever that means. preventing nuclear"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "war um uh getting rid of you know"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "engineered viruses for you know enhanced"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "purposes uh asteroid deflection um and"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "simultaneously put you know.1% of that"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "trillion dollars into fundamental"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "physics research math research computer"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "science research look last time I was"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "here was 2023 end of 2023"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> November"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> November and that was just when chat"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "GPT3 came out it was right around then"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "it was a watershed moment just like I"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "think it'll be a watershed moment we"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "look back in the cosmological constant"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "not being constant. 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So"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "she learned how to prompt from that like"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "she learned okay this is acceptable and"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "so the the machines are training us now"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "are they going to train us in physics I"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "don't know I don't know if gro is"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "capable of constructing a curved"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "spacetime from a ramanian manifold the"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "way that Einstein did just sitting and"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "thinking about falling in an elevator"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "whose cable broke. Okay. Can a computer"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "do that? Can a computer mimic and"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "modulate just by sure GPU and LLM power"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "married together? I don't know. I don't"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "know if that's how the brain works. Just"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "because neural networks work that way,"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "that doesn't mean that's the magic in"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "the machine. What if there was 01% of"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "the trillion dollars going to cost to"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "get some robots to Mars? And by the way,"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "we send people there. We go on"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "expeditions there, but we don't try to"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "set up a human a planet living there. I"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "mean, the surface"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": ">> you got to crawl, walk even before you"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "run if that were even possible."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": ">> But it's different. It's it's it's it's"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "known to be thoroughly inh"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "uninhabitable. I mean, it's it's"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:32", "text": ">> What makes it, just for people out there"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "who aren't familiar, what makes it"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "uninhabitable? There's a book uh Zach"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "Weinersmith and his wife Kelly wrote a"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "book called uh City on Mars and"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "incredibly skeptical take on all the"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "conditions both economic physiological"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "uh physical you know chemical"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "atmospheric um pressure all these"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "different things. One of the things you"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "know they say is the the surf just to"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "get there is a hazardous radiation"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "exposure dose. You know, the same people"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "who think we never went to the moon"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "because the Van Allen belt surrounding"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "the Earth would poison or radiate the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "human body beyond recognition not only"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "believe that it's possible for Elon to"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "go to Mars, but that you're going to"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "take babies and zygot and embryos and"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "people that didn't choose to be born on"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "the surface of Mars. Criminals are going"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "to be born on the surface of um"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "criminals. Well, I mean, think about how"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "many.1% of the US population are felons,"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "right? So, we have we have"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:21", "text": ">> I thought you were saying we were taking"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "like criminals there to [\u00a0__\u00a0] or"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "something."}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "So every time you go and see your"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "Phillies play, there's like 10 murderers"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "or 10 felons and there's 20 alcoholics."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "There's convicted rapist in Philly."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "Yeah, that's true. That's true. Not in"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "San Diego. Not in a beautiful America's"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "finest city. But but here's the point."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": ">> If you go and you say that this is your"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "priority, you're uh tacitly saying that"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "I don't have other priorities, including"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "currently inhabited Earth. Earth is the"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "only place we know where this"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "consciousness flickers uh as a flame."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "Why not see what the undersea water has?"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "I told you the Antarctic was only"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "explored 112 years ago. Yeah. First"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "first for the first time. There's parts"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "there we don't even know about. The"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "pyramids not being part of them. Okay."}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "The period pyramid under the ice. Okay."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "We'll get to that next time. That's"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "number three."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:08", "text": ">> Don't shut that down."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": ">> Podcast number three. I got to go. Um"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "but but eventually we could look at"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "colonizing underneath the ocean. There's"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "tons more resources right here in, you"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "know, in the Atlantic Ocean than there"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "are. And what about conserving the"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "resources that are in, you know, species"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "that are dying, etc. And and in"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "modulating some of the effects from the"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "climate, not saying all of it's"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "man-made, but you know, how can we"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "modulate those effect? How could we make"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "human life flourish here? So"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "consciousness, the life of a human being"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "now being weighted far more than a"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "potential f future human being who may"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "not have a job thanks to AI, may not may"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "have to rely on universal basic income,"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "may not be sitting around writing the"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "poetry that the socialist paradise"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "dreams of, right? So there's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "problems with living in the future and"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "that's the whole effective altruism kind"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "of nonsensical, you know, scam that Sam"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "Bankman Freed and others were big"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "proponents of. But yeah, like how do you"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "weight what a future human life is worth"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "based on your conventional social moray"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "today? Who gets to say what it's worth?"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Elon Musk. I mean, I don't"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:06", "text": ">> No one gets to say what it's worth."}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": ">> I mean, would you, by the way, if he"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "said to you, Julian, hey, the uh uh"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "Starship's leaving tomorrow. You want to"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "come? You want to be the second man on"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "Mars? But oh, by the way, right? And"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "you're probably like a huge supporter"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "and fan of Elon. I mean, I'm a fan of a"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "lot of"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:21", "text": ">> I'm not a fanboy."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": ">> Right. So,"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": ">> and and there are there are I I do have"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "to say this. There are just some"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "patterns with him that he's exhibited"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "that I've just noticed more over the"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "last couple years that I'd be lying if I"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "told you that's in line with what good"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "people do. And I think one of those"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "things is like some of his I don't know"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "personal"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": ">> insemination of of women and all that."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "And it's like I get it. You're trying to"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "populate the planet. That's awesome. But"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "I think the way that he treats some of"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "it is wrong objectively."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I agree. Uh but you know, he's"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "got 200 and something million followers."}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "I bet one"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "go [\u00a0__\u00a0] yourself."}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:02", "text": ">> He's got 200 200 Julian Dur's podcast."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Um but no, I mean I would bet um 1% of"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "them, let's say 0.1% wants to go to Mars"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "with it's thousands of people, right?"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "It's to me to think about, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "kind of if you I just don't think it's"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "been thought through fully. Whereas we"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "know the basic research, basic"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "scientific research that these things"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "pan out in ways that you can't predict."}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "In other words, he's trying to take a"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "he's an engineer. He's trying to take a"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "certain track which is apply money,"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "apply certain, you know, benzene and"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "chemical rocket things together and the"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "rocket go fast and it will reach, you"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "know, Mars in a certain but"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": ">> yeah, what's his estimated time to reach"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "Mars? Do we know? The soonest Mars could"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "be reached is something like 9 months."}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "That's the fastest you can get there."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "Longest and it's on the other side of"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "the solar system is is something like 21"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "months or something like that. But"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "obviously you time it to be like that."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "But the in terms of the total amount of"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "mass that has to be reached there and"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "and then you have to geoform. I mean no"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "one's going to want to live in a bubble"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "dome. Like he thinks it will take"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "something like like a thousand Starship"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "launches to build basically a bubble"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "dome type city there. Okay. Um but to"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": ">> thousand starship Yeah. in terms of"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "total metric tonses to orbit."}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:13", "text": ">> It's trillions of dollars."}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": ">> Oh yeah, that's right. Well, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "he's on track to be, you know, he is the"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "richest person in the world and he's"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "probably a"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": ">> got that."}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": ">> No, but governments do. And I think if"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "he has the ear of people like President"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "Trump still after calling him a do you"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "need"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:30", "text": ">> after accusing him of being on the"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "Epstein"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": ">> phone that went away real fast, didn't"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": ">> that? That was pretty amazing. I regret"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "some of the things I said. Yeah. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "I wonder if I could take that."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": ">> That doesn't work with my wife. You"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "know, I regret some of the things we"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "said, honey, when I threw that at you"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "and she threw it at me."}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "clip. If you haven't already subscribed,"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "please subscribe and hit the like button"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "on this video. 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There's um"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "there was a uh a guy named Bishop Usher."}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "He was the uh the primate of Ireland,"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "which I learned as a religious title,"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "not his Simeon origins, but he was"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "we got to check that with YouTube"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "monetization, just to be clear."}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "He was like he was the an archbishop in"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "Ireland. And he decides uh this is in"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "the the uh 1600s, I believe. Um he"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "decides he's going to figure out how old"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "the earth is. And he has no tools,"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "right? Geology hasn't been invented."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "It hadn't been invented at all."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "Not really. No. that comes around. Um,"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "James Hutton published his theory of the"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "earth and at the very end of the 19 the"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "1700s. So, so we don't have geology. We"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "obviously don't have any kind of lab"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "tools to date rocks or anything like"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "that. So, he doesn't have much to work"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "with. He's an archbishop, so he's got"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "the Bible, right?"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "So, he does some historical research and"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "he he figures out the date of King"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "Nebuchadnezzar in the Bible. And so,"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "he's got a starting date there. And then"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "he goes back through all the all the"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "begats in the Bible, you know. And so he"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "works his way back through the"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "generations back to Adam and Eve. And he"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "determines that the earth was created um"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "in 404 BC on October 23rd around 6 p.m."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "on a Saturday."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Oh, we landed on the time, too."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Wow. Hey guys, if you haven't already"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "subscribed, please hit that subscribe"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "button. It's a huge, huge help. Thank"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "you. Now you can laugh at that"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "especially because it's absurdly"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "specific. But what Usher did was he"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "created a testable hypothesis. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Right. And we have tested that"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "hypothesis and we have falsified it."}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "But it was a credible piece of"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "scholarship I think and we falsified his"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "hypothesis and and that's what we call"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "progress."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "Did he say how he got the time? Did he"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "ever like give a good answer?"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "I don't know how he got. You say like"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "God told me that was the time."}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "Not really sure."}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "God feels like a post happy hour kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "guy, right?"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "Maybe"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "that might be it. You know, we weren't"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "drinking at 5 and creating the earth. We"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "waited till after everyone left the bar."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "That makes sense."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "No, but it's it's it's a it's almost"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "like an extreme example, but this it's"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "another great example of of what I'm"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "getting at. It's like"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "and so I mean scientists are people. We"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "have we have our time and our careers"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "and and you know, maybe our ego is"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "invested into things, but of ego in"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "science. They don't have that."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "A few of them do. Yeah. Not me"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "personally, but some of them, you know."}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Um but and so this is hard to do. But"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "the proper response of a scientist if"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "your idea is falsified,"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "you say like great, we've made progress."}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "And it's the ultimate again that's like"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "another paradox with human nature"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "because your ego is like but does that"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "mean I'm full of [\u00a0__\u00a0] Which is not the"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "case. But that's how things will get"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "painted. Like, oh, you were the guy that"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "was wrong. But that that's the whole"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "point. You're supposed to try to explore"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "the unexplored and figure out what that"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "is. And I think we should celebrate"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "I said on I think the Discovery Channel"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "like 25 years ago, I you know that that"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "we would never recover ancient molecules"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "because of all these reasons why they"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "would never survive. They would they"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "would degrade over time. Well, we did."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "We did. Can you explain that?"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "And I was wrong about that. And so, you"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "know, my I'm a scientist."}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "Thank you for coming clean."}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "Well, scientists change their view when"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "they get new information. That's right."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "That's what makes science different than"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "politics. That's what makes science"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "different than religion, right? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "how many times have you had a political"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "argument with somebody where like you"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "have like this killer fact"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "and it doesn't change a thing, right? Or"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "how often does an event happen in the"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "world or a new discovery in the world"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "and how often does that change religion?"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "It doesn't. It doesn't, right?"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "But it does science because that's what"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "science is, right? And that's what makes"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "it different."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "Yeah. And I wish I wish everyone could"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "think that way because we we've seen,"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "you know, especially over the past"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "couple decades, people from outside the"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "space, I might add, in many cases turn"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "science into like the new religion and"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "stuff like that. And the whole again it"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "it it takes things and suddenly define"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "stuff as law. And then you're not"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "questioning, you know, whether or not we"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "can test something. and and it exists"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "across all elements of science and I"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "talk with all the guys I bring in here"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "about it because it's so it's so"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "counterintuitive to me. It's like we"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "should constantly be testing questions"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "and if something is then proven is like"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "oh that's not right then great we've"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "made progress just like you said."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "So go going back to dinosaurs though and"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "we we were talking about the fourth"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "extinction when that happened."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "What what I you might have mentioned"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "this but I just want to make sure we"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "rehash it. What what exactly caused the"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "fourth extinction where I think you said"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "95% of species were wiped out something."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "Uh and the third 95% of species and the"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "fourth it was about 75 is bad."}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "So this is like 250 million years ago."}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "255 million."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "Uh the fourth was 200. The third was"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "255."}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "That's the one I wanted to ask about."}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "Let's start at the third. So what what"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "caused the third extinction?"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "Yeah, we call this the great dying. Um"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "there's a couple things there. Actually"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "there's a lot of things that are going"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "wrong on the planet at this time. Um,"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "one is that people think, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "lot of people know the word pangia,"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "right, the superc continent, and they"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "think that that's how continents"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "started. It's not how continents"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "started. It just happens to be like a"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "moment in time when all the continents"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "happen to bump into each other."}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "Right. And so they were separate before."}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "Um, and there were different continents"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "before. There were different oceans"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "before. Um, but at one point in time,"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "all the continents bump into each other"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "and we have pangia. That's hard on life."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "Um, continental climates are extreme."}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "Think about the middle of Siberia. 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But when the"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "continents push all the organisms"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "together, it's just hard on life. So, so"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "we're in a rough time to begin with. And"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "then these giant volcanic fissures in"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "what is now Siberia open up and issue"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "forth vast quantities of greenhouse"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "gases and we get into this like runaway"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "um greenhouse effect and the planet just"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "heats up um everything"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "tremendously and and the combination of"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "all those things is just too hard on"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "life and 95% of species perish."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "Yeah. And so we were pointing out that a"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "lot of the species that perish include"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "dinosaurs. And this was during the era"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "where the dinosaurs were like cat-like"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "size. You said"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "not yet. You've moved ahead one."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "We don't have dinosaurs. Yes. While"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "you're here, Ken, you got to keep me on"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "order."}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "Yeah. So this is a world before"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "dinosaurs. This is the end of the"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "Paleozoic."}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Um so pre-dinosaur world and this sets"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "the stage for the dinosaurs. Okay. Um"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "have you ever seen those those little"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "cute fossils called trilobytes? They're"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "very common. You buy them in rock shops"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "and you can go on you can find triloby."}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "Maybe I've seen one. I just can't"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "remember."}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "Look on Etsy and you'll see like jewelry"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "made of trilobytes, but they they go"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "extinct at the end of of the uh"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "Paleozoic and lots of other things do."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "And there you go. Trilobytes. So they"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "had a great"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "run across the Paleozoic and then uh"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "they can't hack it when this happens and"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "lots of other things go extinct as well."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Got it."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "but it set the stage for the dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "It set the stage eventually for the"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "dinosaurs. Kind of set the stage more"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "for the crocodiles. And then the next"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "one set the stage for the dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Okay. And the crocodiles, these are the"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "ones that are bipedal. You were talking"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "about"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "somewhere. There were other ones that"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "you know were were quadripeds, but they"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "were huge and scary and Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Now, how like cuz I've talked with some"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "other people about this about how we as"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "humans look at time. I was talking with"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "Gnostic informant about this. I don't"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "know the exact term, but it's almost"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "like there's an exponential correction"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "that we do in our heads. And what I mean"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "by that is we look at something that's"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "attainable to look at, meaning like we"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "have video of it, for example, of like"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "the 1940s and it seems very long ago."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "But then as we go farther, maybe we go"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "200 years back before that, we view that"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "on a similar layer as we viewed the past"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "80 years. And then from 200 years we"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "look at the 600 years before that and we"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "view that like almost in the same time"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "period to the point that you know we"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "could be talking about something that"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "happened in 65 AD and compare it to"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "something that happened in 168 AD and in"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "our heads we're like oh it's similar"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "time yet it's like five generations"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "apart and [\u00a0__\u00a0] changed and everything."}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "So when we're looking at"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "evolution I get caught in that trap all"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "the time because you almost like picture"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "like oh just walked out of the water and"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "boom there it is. But how long after"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "that extinction? Like what was the"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "process of the first crocodile forming"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "and how long did it take to grow to"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "size?"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "You know, on a human time scale, it's"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "it's an immense amount of time. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "it you know, you think about events that"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "happened here on Earth a thousand years"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "ago, and it seems so long ago,"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "but it's nothing."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "But it's it's nothing geologically,"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "right? A thousand years is like, you"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "know, 500 oak trees, right? Right. Um,"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "so"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "you know it's to us to our perception"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "these things move at a rate that's not"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "perceivable"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "right geologically you know when you"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "look at the whole fossil record you can"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "see things that look like they're"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "happening very rapidly but you know our"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "senses are tuned for the here and now"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "right like we are we're very good at"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "perceiving"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "threats food and mates right"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "yes"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "we're not so good at perceiving things"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "that unfold over years, definitely not"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "decades. It's one of the reasons why why"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "people aren't, I think, as alarmed as we"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "should be about the climate crisis."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "clip. If you haven't already subscribed,"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "please subscribe and hit the like button"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "on this video. It is a huge, huge help."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "And if you'd like to check out this"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "clip's full podcast episode, that link"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "is in the description below or right"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "here. 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M"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": ">> in the ancient world we don't know that"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "right we we we just don't have that"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "evidence and so"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "and um the thing that is different the"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "thing that makes dinosaurs dinosaurs and"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "separates them from their reptilian kin"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "think about a a lizard they have um they"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "have a very sprawling languid posture"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "with elbows and knees bent um belly on"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "the ground tail dragging behind a lizard"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "is always like a half a push-up away"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "from taking a nap"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "That's not dinosaurs. Dinosaurs have"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "their legs under their body. Yes. Their"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "their ankles are hinged for straight"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "ahead forward motion. They have very"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "strong hips. They have at least three"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "sacral vertebrae that connect one side"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "of their hip to the other. So it makes"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "like a strong bone box to which you can"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "attack attach powerful leg muscles. M"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": ">> um so dinosaurs are more like mammals"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "and that we're fully upright creatures"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "that you know stand mostly not lay"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "mostly and are ready to go. So they're"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "vigorous creatures."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": ">> Why evolutionary evolutionarily does so"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "many of them have like almost no arms?"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "Like we make the joke about like T-Rex"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "arms, but it's a scary T-Rex and its"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "arms are like in here as opposed to like"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "a humans that are out here."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": ">> Well, some do, some don't. I mean, if"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "you look at um in that same group of"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "dinosaurs that T-Rex is in called the"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "theropods, um look at something like a"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "therainosaurus."}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": ">> Theosaurus."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Now, a Theosug."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": ">> They're they could be like 17 feet tall,"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "fully feathered, not a bird, but a fully"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "feathered non-avian dinosaur. Yeah, look"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "at like that middle picture."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Um big pot belly and then they have like"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "these meterlong Edward Scissor Hands"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "claws."}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "So, it's a nightmare basically."}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": ">> And so, you can see some dinosaurs that"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "were bipedal had very long arms. Others"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "had very short arms. Now, in the case of"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "T-Rex, people make fun of its little"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "arms, you know, like if you're happy and"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "you I'll never mind or, you know, T-Rex"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "can't answer the phone and all this"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "stuff. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "those tiny arms of T-Rex make its"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "murderous bite possible. Because if"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "you're going to have the strongest bite"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "that any land animal has ever had, you"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "need really big jaw muscles. And if"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "you're going to have big jaw muscles,"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "you need a big head to strap those jaw"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "muscles onto. Right? So, you need a big"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "skull. If you're going to have a really"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "big skull, you need really big neck"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "muscles to hold up your really big"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "skull. and neck muscles and arm muscles"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "compete for muscle attachment space on"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "the shoulder girdle."}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": ">> So, you can't have both. So, as its head"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "got bigger, as its bite got stronger,"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "its arms got littleer to allow for that"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "muscle attachment space. So, the next"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "time you make fun of its little tiny"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "arms with the two little witchy fingers"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "on it, think again. Because that's what"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "made its killer bite possible."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": ">> It automatically has it. Whereas I got"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "to deadlift to get this right here."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "Pretty much."}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": ">> Pretty much."}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": ">> Wow. Now, how how did they go? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "obviously that story makes total sense"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "and and and we see where it ends up"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "because we know a lot now, but"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "evolutionarily when they were first"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "discovering like the T-Rex or something,"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "which I don't even know when that is."}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "Maybe you can enlighten me."}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:47", "text": ">> 1905."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": ">> 1905 for"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": ">> 1905. Okay. How do they what do they do"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "to determine that story that you just"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "explained scientifically? Is it just"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "like deductive reasoning or do they find"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "other pieces of evidence that show like"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "oh their shoulder muscle developed this"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "way or their traps develop whatever"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "they're called develop this way over"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "these 300 million years? How does it"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "work?"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": ">> Well, that particular story that I told"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "is the work of my friend uh Dr. Michael"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "Habib in Los Angeles who's a"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "biomechanics genius I would say. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "so that's his hypothesis. But, um, you"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "know, when we look at dinosaurs, we we"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "mostly have their bones, although in"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "some cases we have other parts that that"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "survive and we recover. And, um, bones"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "have muscle attachment scars on them."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "And from those from those muscle"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "attachment scars, we can estimate the"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "the size and the power of certain"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "muscles. And so, it helps us reconstruct"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "these creatures. It helps us reconstruct"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "uh how they move. Um, and it's also the"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "the they be the bones are the primary"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "defining features for us. And so, you"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "know, if we're in today's world and we"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "want to know like is this a species or"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "is this a species? Well, you know, we"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "look to see who can produce viable"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "offspring with each other."}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": ">> In the ancient world, we don't know"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "that, right? We we we just don't have"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "that evidence. And so, um, the"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "definition of a fossil species is that"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "it has to be it's you have to have a"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "morphological definition of that species"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "made by a competent paleontologist that"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "can later be recognized by another"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "competent paleontologist. And to define"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "a new species, you have to find a"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "feature in in the skeleton or the fossil"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "that hasn't been seen in any other"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "animal that's closely related. Um, we"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "call these autoapomorphies, but it's"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "just a fancy name for a novel feature in"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "the skeleton. You need at least one."}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "It's it's maybe not great practice to"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "define a new species based on just one."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "Uh, but when you assemble a group of"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "them, then you have a clearly defined"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "species that another paleontologist"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "maybe 100 years from now could recognize"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "if they find the same species."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": ">> It's like a constant building upon of"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "peer review in a way over time."}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Yeah. And like in any science, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "paleontologists can be a quarrelome lot."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "That's what we're supposed to do in"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "science is we challenge each other."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": ">> Correct. It's all it's supposed to be."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Because in science, what we say is"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "you, if you listen closely, you will"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "almost never hear a scientist say that"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "they have proved something. We don't"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "really use that term very much. What we"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "say"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:27", "text": ">> is that we have failed to falsify"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "something."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Failed to falsify."}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": ">> Yeah. And so you create a hypothesis and"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "then you try to poke holes first in your"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "own hypothesis and then you publish it"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "and you let all the other scientists try"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "to poke holes in your hypothesis. And if"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "it withstands all that then we say we"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "have failed to falsify that hypothesis"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "which means we have gained confidence."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": ">> In that hypothesis. Sometimes hypotheses"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "become"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "um they're tested so frequently and and"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "we have so much confidence in them that"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "you know historically some become laws"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "like the law of gravity which is really"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "just a hypothesis. It's a prediction but"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "it's a prediction that's so good that"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "people are willing to strap themselves"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "to rockets and shoot themselves into"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "space based on that hypothesis. Yes."}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": ">> And so that's essentially how science"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "works. So we nobody says you know we've"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "we've proven the law of gravity. You"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "would say that we have immense"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "confidence in Newton's gravitational"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "formula because no one has ever"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "falsified it."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": ">> You know I've had the privilege of"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "having some pretty amazing scientists in"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "here over the past especially couple"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "years. started with Mitchoku and"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "eventually had in Brian Keading and"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "recently I had in Claudia Durham who"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "wrote a what was a controversial paper"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "on gravity back she was working on this"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "for years and years but I think like"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "when it really blew up was like 2018 and"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "she for one was even saying like oh the"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "gravity we know is in everything right I"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "found this I'm going to state it all"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "wrong so go listen episode 311 but you"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "know she's like or 310 I I stated did I"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "found that gravity is according to what"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Newton has, but there's a molecule or"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "something that is also missing. And"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "here's why it makes sense"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "mathematically. And I bring this up"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "because to me, the beauty and also"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "madness of science is that literally the"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "most brilliant people in the world are"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "usually the people who are in that"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "space. It's amazing what they're able to"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "do. You can look through history, look"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "at the Einsteins, look at the Newtons,"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "go all the way back to Galileo and just"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "see the pieces that they were able to"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "put together that we could later build"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "on. But the the the the madness of it is"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "that in a way they're always figuring"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "out the latest thing that can't be"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "falsified so that someone else can build"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "on top of that and eventually at least"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "falsify a lot of it, if not all of it,"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "to get to the next step that then"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "follows that process to get all the way"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "to eventually the top, which is trying"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "to figure out the meaning of life and"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "everything. And yet we will be able to"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "look back on scientists who maybe"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "objectively got most or all of what they"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "discovered wrong as the people who"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "actually trailblazed us to get to the"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "answer. It's like this amazing catch 22"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "or paradox. Do you ever think about that"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "with what you do? And"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:13", "text": ">> exactly when you when you um"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "if your work is falsified, you're making"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "progress. Yes."}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:20", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "clip. If you haven't already subscribed,"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "please subscribe and hit the like button"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "on this video. It is a huge, huge help."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "And if you'd like to check out this"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "clip's full podcast episode, that link"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "is in the description below or right"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "here. And finally, you can follow me on"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "Instagram and X by using the links in my"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "description below."}]

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And you know, to start with a"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "question like,"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "you know, if somebody says like there"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "there weren't dinosaurs, that's kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "like telling a planetary scientist like"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "there's there's no Jupiter. You know,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": ">> it feels a little flat earth to me like"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "when like when people say that because"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "there's just when I see things that have"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "such significant evidence and it's it's"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "like like where where did we get all"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "this stuff from? I think it just came"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "out of thin air."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I can tell you one thing which"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "is um one way to to demonstrate it is so"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "now there's a field called molecular"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "paleontology."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": ">> Molecular paleontology."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Yeah. And so we can and we do this in my"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "lab. We can demineralize dinosaur bones"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "and recover routinely. Now they're"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "proteins and blood vessels and and bone"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "building cells. Proteins have hereditary"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "information in them. It's not as robust"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "as DNA, but you can sequence proteins"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "and make family trees from them. And"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "this was started by a a friend and"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "colleague of mine, uh, Mary Schwitzer,"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "who was, uh, she used to be at North"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "Carolina State."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": ">> Um, and we've exchanged lots of grad"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "students and and done some of this work."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "You can sequence these proteins and then"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "if it was contamination or something,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "uh, it could fall out anywhere in this"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "giant database of proteins. But if it's"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "really from a dinosaur, it's going to"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "fall out next to their closest living"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "relatives, which are crocodiles."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Crocodiles aren't dinosaurs, but they're"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "the closest living relatives."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": ">> They look like it."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": ">> And birds. Birds are literal dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Literal."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": ">> Literal. And we sequence these proteins"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "and they fall out between birds and"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "crocodiles. And so we have molecular"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "evidence that these things are what we"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "think they are, that they are dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "And of course, we have the skeletal"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "evidence as well. And we can see it. And"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "you know, the the geological record is"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "is like a layer cake, right? Except you"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "don't get the whole cake anywhere,"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "right? You get this piece of the cake"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "here and this piece of the cake there."}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "Um, but we know when dinosaurs first"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "appeared. We know how long they"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "persisted. We know exactly when they"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "end. And it doesn't matter if you're in"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "Afghanistan or Antarctica or New Jersey"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "or China. They always start and end"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "exactly where we know them to start and"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "end, right? Like they they behave"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "geologically. They're predictable. Um,"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "it's obvious that that's the story."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Now, when how approximately how"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "many years ago did we did the first"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "dinosaur that we know of walk the earth?"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Um, dinosa the first dinosaur was about"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "uh 237 million years ago."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:46", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": ">> So, that's the triacic period."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": ">> Triacic period."}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": ">> Yeah. The the messoic which is the time"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "of dinosaurs is triacic, the now famous"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "Jurassic, and the Cretaceous. Okay. Now,"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "how do we again a million questions? How"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "do we mark off those eras? What what"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "behaviorally or that we can observe from"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "dinosaurs makes it change officially"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "from one era to the other?"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": ">> They're all they're all defined by"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "extinctions."}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": ">> And um and there's a there's a"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "commission called the International"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "Commission on Stratographic"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "Nomenclature."}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:19", "text": ">> What a name."}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm going to get them some"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "rebranding."}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:22", "text": ">> And yes, they could use it. And um it's"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "it's a large group of scientists and"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "they uh define these there's there's"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "eons and there's errors and there's"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "periods and there epics and they're all"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "they all fit inside each other and they"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "define what the boundaries are based on"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "the extinction of certain organisms or"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "the extinction of groups of organisms."}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "Um and the big boundaries have to do"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "with big extinction. So the end of the"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "Paleozoic, the start of the Mesazoic,"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "which is the time of the dinosaurs,"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": ">> that happens when we have the world's"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "worst mass extinction. It happens about"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "250 million years ago. It's two 255. Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "it's the end of the perian period. We"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "lose 95% of species on the planet. So if"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "you're a geologist or a paleontologist"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "and you're working in rocks that are"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "around that boundary, it's very easy to"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "tell which side of the boundary you're"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "on because 95% of the species disappear"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "above that."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": ">> When the dinosaurs go extinct 66 million"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "years ago, that's the end of the"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "Mesazoic era and the start of the"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "Cenazoic era, which we're still in."}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "Again, it's very easy to tell you're at"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "that boundary because 75% of the species"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "go extinct there."}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": ">> But the 75% that was going to be my next"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "question. The 75% that goes extinct"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "includes all dinosaurs except for birds."}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:43", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:44", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": ">> Fascinating. So, when dinosaurs were"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "first on the earth, cuz like most of us"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "out here are looking at this from a"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "layman's perspective and we think about,"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "oh, Jurassic Park, T-Rex running around,"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "raptors, all that. But when they're"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "first on the earth, what were some of"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "the, I don't know, recognizable"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "dinosaurs that we might know today that"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "existed in that I forget the name of it."}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "pretty that first the triacic period."}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": ">> We're we're actually sitting on the"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "Triacic here at Hoboken."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:10", "text": ">> We're sitting on the Triacic."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": ">> What does that mean?"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": ">> Well, the Triacic is the time when when"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "the superc continent of Pangia breaks"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "up,"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:18", "text": ">> right? That's what I was looking for"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "earlier."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": ">> That means the Atlantic Ocean basically"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "starts to unzip, right? And and there"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "was a time when you could stand here in"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "Hoboken and look about a mile across the"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "ocean to Africa."}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "[Applause]"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "[Laughter]"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "That's so cool."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": ">> And so you know the the palisades which"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "go right up the river here"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": ">> um"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:40", "text": ">> those are basalt flows. The salt comes"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "from um magmatic eruptions of ocean type"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "um magma and that happens here when the"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "Atlantic Ocean forms when p when pangia"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "rifts open and all the gas that was"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "released"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": ">> um during during that rifting caused the"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "world's fourth mass extinction. So the"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "evidence of the fourth mass extinction"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:06", "text": ">> is in the palisades along the Hudson at"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "the top of New Jersey. And the evidence"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "for the sixth mass the fifth m mass"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "extinction is at the fossil park in"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "southern New Jersey."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": ">> Not to be confused with my Vinnies and"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "Carmines out there who are looking at"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "other types of extinctions that have"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "happened in the Palisades, you know."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:21", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": ">> Just got to throw that out there."}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "There's been a few since then. But"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": ">> wow. So it's crazy because you would you"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "just wouldn't think that. I mean look at"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "look at the wall right here. What's"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "right across the river. This is what we"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "have here now. And the idea that there"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "were like dinosaurs running around here"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "or we're clo it was underwater and the"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "land's over there and the dinosaurs are"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "right there. It's just"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:43", "text": ">> at that time 255 million years ago this"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "was an apocalyptic hellcape. This this"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "volcanic fissure it was just"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": ">> it still is."}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:56", "text": ">> All right. So the triacic period though"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "the very first one. What types of"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "species? Let's start with dinosaurs."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "What types of species exist? Dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "are are about the size of of a house"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "cat."}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:06", "text": ">> Oh wow. So they could be a pet."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": ">> They could menace nothing bigger than a"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "bug at the time. This is they evolve"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "into into probably the hardest time on"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "Earth since there's been complex life on"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Earth because we've just had this this"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "horrible mass extinction at the end of"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "the perian period. Almost everything is"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "dead. The complex life on planet Earth"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "almost goes out of business."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": ">> Um and the first thing that kind of gets"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "the the jump, you know, back are are"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "crocodiles. And so we're we're kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "living in a crocodile world. Um in the"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "Triacic period there's an 8- foot tall"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "bipeedal crocodile in the Triacic"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "period."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": ">> So it's running after you."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": ">> It's like Wally Gator from hell."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Thanks. I'm not. And so dinosaurs"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "evolve into this world and they they"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "don't really make a lot of um headway"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "because of of the crocodiles dominating"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "everything. So they're small. They're"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "kind of spindly. The oldest one we know"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "of at the moment is Niasosaurus from"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "Tanzania."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:01", "text": ">> Can we pull that up? Nyasaurus."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:03", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": ">> let's do that."}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": ">> Um, but it's tiny. And they stay that"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "way until the fourth mass extinction,"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "which we have the evidence for right"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "along the Hudson here."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": ">> And, uh, for some reason that kind of"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "knocks back the crocodiles and the"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "dinosaurs. The dinosaurs are the ones"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "that get the there. Well, now that's"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "kind of a crazy I think that might be a"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "crisper accident right there. and some"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:27", "text": ">> like a watermelon and a lizard or"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "something."}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": ">> That's why I was looking at Ben. I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "like, \"Don't you don't you open"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "Pandora's box too badly here, my"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "friend.\""}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": ">> He's like going to come out with like,"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "\"Oh, it's a velociraptor.\" Sorry."}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": ">> It's a It's It's NYSSA."}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:41", "text": ">> NYSSA. We got it, Joe."}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": ">> What are we looking at?"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": ">> Yeah. We got to make sure we get it get"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "it right so people aren't seeing the new"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "demon from hell. NYA SSS. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:55", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:56", "text": ">> Right. But it's it's a little spindly"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "dinosaur."}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:59", "text": ">> And you said it's like approximately"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "this size."}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": ">> Yeah. There we go. Um"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:03", "text": ">> which one do you want?"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:04", "text": ">> I think that the picture on the upper"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "right looks"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:07", "text": ">> right there."}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:08", "text": ">> So this thing would have been about this"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "big. You're saying?"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean roughly the size of a cat,"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": ">> right? And so you know they're not"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "they're not too tough. Um,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": ">> now his front his legs are on the ground"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "bipeedal and then he's got hands, but"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "he's still hunched over in like the"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "position of a cat at the time."}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, early dinosaurs were all"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "bipedal. Um, these kinds."}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": ">> Thank you guys for checking out this"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "clip. 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[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "When you look at the Epstein suicide,"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "right,"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "his brother"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "went on Tucker Carlson and was basically"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "like, dude, Epstein was Jeff like he"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "thought he could actually beat this"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "thing. Like he was not, you know, he was"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "not suicidal. He was not despondent. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "yes, he did put up or offered to give"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "the government half a billion dollars,"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "basically all of his wealth to bail out,"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "right? Um, just like Diddy. Diddy. Diddy"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "offered everything he had uh to the feds"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "and they still didn't let him walk. They"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "were like, \"This guy's a flight risk,"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "yada yada.\" But at the end of the day,"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "after all of these people came out, all"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "these bodyguards and all these male"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "prostitutes and and every all these"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "artists and his assistants, everybody"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "was said they were willing to testify."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "You know, neither of us are legal"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "experts, but he just beat the most"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "serious charges, the RICO charges, and"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "is now effectively just facing time for"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "what? Hiring prostitutes. Even though it"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "looks, you know, they released a ton of"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "footage of Epstein's cell right from the"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "the the Metropolitan Correctional Center"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "trying to prove, hey, nobody went in"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "there. But it I don't know. I think it"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "lacks motive, to be honest with you. Um,"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "what about this Diddy trial"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "did you find surprising? What did you"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "not find surprising? Uh, and what what"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "does that tell you about the justice"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "system? Like, does this speak to a"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "larger issue in in America and with"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "intelligence and with child exploitation"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "or sexual exploitation? What are your"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "thoughts?"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "So, there's a I mean, there's a couple"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "of uh a couple of different ways to take"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "the question and I think they're all"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "really interesting. So, first of all,"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "the the question of motive in Epstein"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "killing himself is an interesting"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "question. What one of the things that"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "I'm very I I'm actually very blessed to"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "have been able to contribute to is"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "oftentimes when wealthy people are being"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "sent to prison, they'll have a"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "consulting a consultation with me and my"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "company because they kind of want to"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "know what to expect in prison and they"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "want to know how to build the mental"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "toughness and how to build the s like"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "the resiliency to make it through prison"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "because prison is hard. It's very very"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "hard. So, I've had a number of"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "opportunities now to sit with very"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "wealthy, very smart, very successful,"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "usually men, almost exclusively men, who"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "then are put and tried and found guilty"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "of white collar crimes majority that"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "send them to prison for anywhere from,"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "you know, one year to four years. So"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "what I will say people don't understand"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "is that the most brilliant successful"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "mind in the world once it it lands in"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "that concrete room and your clothes are"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "taken from you and your identity is"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "taken from you and you are sharing a"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "cell with some actual like hardened"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "criminal and your neighbors are hardened"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "criminals and you don't know where you"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "fit in this larger ecosystem. the mind"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "changes. I've seen grown men with"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "multiple children with tens of millions"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "of dollars in the bank. I have seen them"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "talk to me on the first day of our"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "consultation and say that they don't"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "even think they're going to live and say"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "that they're considering killing"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "themselves because it would be better"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "for their family if they just died in"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "prison rather than run their family"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "through the shame of watching the rise"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "and fall of their dad. Right? Like just"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "put yourself in the shoes of somebody"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "who's worth $100 million and then your"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "kids are going to a private school and"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "your trial has been all over the"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "newspaper and now for the next two years"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "your kids are going from middle school"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "to high school with the shame of their"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "dad who's in jail for whatever crime."}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "Like it really weighs on people."}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "So I wouldn't say that it's without"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "motive because we don't know what was"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "happening in Epste's head when he landed"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "in that that cold locker. Right."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Although, however, Epstein, no family,"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "right? No family."}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "It's fair. I mean, we have no idea what"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "what was going through his head. So, I"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "just say that because I'm still I'm"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "still torn on what happened to the guy."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "I'm still torn on whether or not it was"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "organized or it was self-induced or it"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "was premeditated or otherwise. Um, now"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "the the other part of your question was"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "was related to"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "diddy"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "and what what does the diddy thing teach"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "us?"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "The first week of the Diddy trial, I was"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "invited to speak on a podcast called"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Women of Impact with Lisa Billou. And"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "Lisa Billu is a is a brilliant"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "businessminded woman. She's got a"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "fantastic podcast, but she was doing"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "this series with a quote unquote legal"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "expert,"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "a woman who came from the UK, who was"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "part of Scotland Yard, who's changed"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "legal policy related to women in the"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "United States and in the UK. And she was"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "convinced beyond all measure of a doubt"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "that Diddy would be found guilty. She's"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "like, \"This is this is a rock solid"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "case.\" And I have to think that HSI also"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "must have thought they had a rockolid"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "case because to bring charges as a"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "federal prosecutor, you don't want to"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "lose that case. When you lose that case,"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "you're a laughingtock for the rest of"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "your career. So there were multiple"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "people who thought this was a rockolid"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "case. I said in that first week, I was"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "like, we have to be prepared for Diddy"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "to walk. You have to be prepared for him"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "to get off because the two charges of"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "sexual trafficking and and uh"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "racketeering. Yeah. Like the conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "for racketeering, racketeering"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "conspiracy. These two charges are super"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "difficult to prove,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "especially to a jury of peers that are"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "selected by both the prosecution and the"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "defense. So for me, what I think is"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "important here is it shows that our"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "legal system"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "works because"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "people who it's so hard to find people"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "who truly don't have an opinion about"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "the case because a jury has to not have"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "an opinion, not have a predisposed"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "opinion. But when you actually bring in"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "people that don't have an opinion, it's"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "very, very hard to prove beyond a"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "reasonable doubt that somebody is"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "guilty. So, it really does show that our"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "rights as individuals, our rights to"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "persevere in a panel in front of a panel"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "of our peers are strong, which I think"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "is how our legal system was supposed to"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "work."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "I totally agree. There's this quote, I"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "think it's Benjamin Franklin, better"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "that one guilty man should walk, no,"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "better that aundred guilty men should be"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "found innocent than one innocent person"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "found guilty. As a person who hates"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "power and who who is totally for what"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "the founding fathers really wanted,"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "which is completely limited government,"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "I am so in agreement with that. Uh yes,"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "I I totally agree. Like the whole he was"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "found guilty in the court of public"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "opinion"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "even before he got arrested, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "And still you got to prove it. I that is"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "the beauty of the not the Napoleonic"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "legal system but what we have which is"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "you could probably tell me it comes from"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "England the uh uh what can you tell me"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "can't remember"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "yeah I'm not quite sure what our legal"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "system what the actual title is"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "but it's essentially it's you got to"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "find I don't have to prove I'm innocent"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "you just have to find me guilty"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "right"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "and my peers get to decide so that's a"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "great take that's a great take this"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "actually shows why our legal system,"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "even though it's flawed, just like every"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "legal system, is still probably the"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "best, most fairest in the world."}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "Exactly. And and I say that because"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "anybody who sees the Diddy trial as a"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "failure of the legal system is looking"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "at it the wrong way. The the truth is"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "the Diddy trial is a failure of our"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "judicial system because the the fact"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "that the Department of Justice chose to"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "hold him accountable for certain crimes"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "and failed to prove those crimes, but in"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "the process they spent how many hundreds"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "of millions of taxpayer dollars in legal"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "fees and investigation, in surveillance,"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "in collection. like how much money from"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "our pockets was spent for the DOJ to not"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "take this guy and find him guilty of"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "crime. They could have found other"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "charges. They could have held him"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "accountable to other charges, but"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "instead they chose these very difficult"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "charges and they lost their case. For"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "me, that's the frustrating part. Right."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Well, they're political. They're driven"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "by politics. And I think on the heels of"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "the Epstein thing, the Epstein scandal,"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "I think they were more uh motivated than"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "ever to try to put Diddy away."}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "And you know, it's it's it makes sense"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "to me, too, because if if what Diddy"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "participated in"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "would have been found as precedent for"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "sexual trafficking and racketeering, we"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "would have seen a whole domino set fall"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "next. There would have been professional"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "athletes. There would have been more"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "professional musicians. There would have"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "been more people in the R&B industry."}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "There would have been more people in the"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "movie and entertainment industry. like"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "the whole house of cards would have come"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "falling down had Diddy been guilty of"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "those two charges. But because his"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "defense did this very good job of of"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "saying, \"Hey, he's a"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "but he's not racketeering."}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "He's a a domestic abuser, but he's not a"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "sexual trafficker.\""}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "Right. they they kind of gave the jury"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "um buckets to put the information in"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "that were predefined by the defense"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "attorney which was a brilliant move"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "because all people need is some way of"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "organizing information. So when the"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "defense said let's organize the"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "information in these buckets and the"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "prosecution did not. The prosecution was"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "like, \"Hey, one big bucket. Scumbag"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "equals sexual trafficking equals"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "racketeering.\" Which was exactly what"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "many legal experts were saying at the"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "time. They were saying, \"Hey, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "if he if he if he engaged in"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "racketeering on two occasions, he's"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "guilty. If he engaged in sexual"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "trafficking on two occasions, he's"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "guilty. We're showing you 50 occasions,"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "but you only need to see it in two"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "before he's guilty.\" So that just gave"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "everybody one big bucket to kind of"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "throw up in."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "But the defense said, \"No, no, no. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "not quite that simple. Here, let's"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "categorize everything and you decide"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "what bucket it goes into.\" At the end of"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "the day, the jury put most of the stuff"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "in buckets other than trafficking and"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "racketeering. And what's so ironic is"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "that if uh the state governments,"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "whether that had been in New York or"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "California, had just taken one or two"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "charges,"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "they could have pro maybe found him"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "guilty, even though it's hard uh it's"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "hard to notoriously hard for prosecutors"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "to to get wins to get guilty verdicts on"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "sex crimes, especially if they happened"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "so long ago because, you know, for"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "various reasons because the victims"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "don't remember. It's just difficult. But"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "if they had just found him guilty on one"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "or two of the charges that the"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "government was trying to paint as this"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "big mafia conspiracy, they could have"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "given him 40 or 50 years. But instead,"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "the feds came in, and people are so sick"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "of this, too. This is my theory cuz we"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "talked to a lot of mobsters on this show"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "and and who are telling me about these"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "cases now of these of these former uh"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "mob bosses that are walking that are"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "walking free from these huge federal"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "trials because the juries are tired of"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "the overreach of the federal government"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "and them putting these huge cases trying"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "to paint everybody as John Gotti or"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "Pablo Escobar. They're tired of it. Um,"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "and I think this is an example. Uh, and"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "look, you have a lot to lose. I don't."}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "Part of me is kind of happy that Diddy"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "beat the if only as a blow to the the"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "overreach of the bureaucracy. Now, of"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "course, I hope he rots in hell and, you"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "know, nobody gets away with anything,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "but uh yeah, I this is why people are"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "celebrating in my opinion. It's like the"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "OJ Simpson thing. CIA believes that all"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "people are born with a spy secret"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "superpower. For some people, that means"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "they can win deals. For others, they can"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "spot liars. Some can even seduce lovers."}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "I built a free 3inut test to help reveal"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "to you exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "of people. We're tire we're tired of the"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "the racism from the courts and from the"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "cops. Uh and so yeah, we know he's"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "guilty, but we hate the system more."}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "I think that had something to do with"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "The only thing I would say that's"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "different is I wouldn't say Diddy beat"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "anything, right? Diddy did not beat"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "this. Diddy made the decisions that he"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "made. He abused the women he abused. He"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "took advantage of the employees he took"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "advantage of. like he made his choices."}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "The whole trial was after the fact,"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "right? It was it was a judgment of the"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "decisions that he made. So the person"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "who the people who really beat this were"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "his defensive team and his defense team"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "did the right process in the legal"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "system to get the best jury on the on"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "the bench for themselves. they did the"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "right thing to to frame the information"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "and frame the case as they did and the"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "prosecution, the federal government"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "didn't do a good job. So, the real war"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "here was between the defense attorneys"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "and the prosecuting attorneys. So, Diddy"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "was basically just he was just arm candy"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "for the whole thing. It was his choices"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "in the past that led to the current"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "situation. And I say that because I"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "don't want I don't want to celebrate or"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "applaud or or or make any kind of"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "comment like Diddy had an active role in"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "how this whole thing shaped or how this"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "whole thing turned out. The way this"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "turned out was shaped by the way that"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "our legal system was built and by a"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "defensive team that were masters of"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "their craft more than the prosecuting"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "team were masters of their craft."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "Yes. Yes. I And also you need that"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "consulting money coming in. I Brian,"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "take that part out. I wish take that"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "part out, dude. This is what happens"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "when you podcast with Johnny Mitchell. I"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "sometimes just I just get wild"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "sometimes. I regret what I say. Um,"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "anyways, I don't know why people don't"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "pay me to before they go to go to the"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "joint. I've been to the joint. Pay me,"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "dude. Andy, if you ever get too busy,"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "shoot some of these people off to, you"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "know, you got my number now. Uh, and"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "I'll kick you a percentage. uh of what"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "these rich give you."}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "I know you're making jokes, but the"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "truth is like that's exactly how it"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "works. I have not been to jail. So, what"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "I do is I bring in excons who have been"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "in jail and they get a chance to"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "directly consult with my client. That's"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "exactly how it works. Which you can"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "imagine why that's sensitive to the"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "client because rich people don't want to"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "don't want to be seen in the same room"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "as an ex-con on their own dime."}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "Sure. This is a great this is an"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "unbelievable reality show idea. You know"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "that. You know that, right?"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "What's it called? Jail tomorrow."}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "Something like that."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "We'll uh we'll holler at Mark Bernett. I"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "think he's Now that Shark Tank's done"}]

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But if they were to really"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "use all of their resources, they'd find"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "pretty much anybody."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "So, what's been a method where they've"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "done something where other people are"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "scared to not want to follow through"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "with that."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "So, I think it's there's two things"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "here, right? So, first, I would say that"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "you don't have I would disagree with"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "your first point that you have to have a"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "public example of punishment to convince"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "people not to do something. You actually"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "don't need a public punishment. You just"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "need to state and demonstrate some level"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "of high probability that something might"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "happen. Most people are motivated by"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "fear. Fear"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "true."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "Fear is a future state. So if they just"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "instill enough fear, fear is something"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "that controls behavior. So if you're"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "coming from CIA, I mean imagine put"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "yourself in the shoes of a person who"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "has committed part of their life to"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "working for this organization and then"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "they leave and then they start writing a"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "book or they start speaking out, they"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "start coming on podcast, whatever it"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "might be. They don't want to run the"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "risk of crossing a boundary too far and"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "then actually forcing the hand of the"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "federal government. You don't want to be"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "that person because you're in in my"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "heart, I'm still very proud of serving."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "The last thing I want to do, going to"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "jail isn't the worst thing. Having my"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "wages garnered isn't the worst thing."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "Losing the respect of the same"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "organization that I served, losing the"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "respect of the American people who I"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "love. That's that's worse than sitting"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "in a jail cell."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "Yeah, but you that's your character."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "That's not everyone's character, right?"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "That's a lot of our characters. The"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "people I left. Keep in mind, I left. I"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "had my first child and I left. Many"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "people have many children and stay. Many"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "people sacrificed their their"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "relationships, multiple divorces, they"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "sacrificed their health, they sacrificed"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "their fitness, they sacrificed"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "everything to continue to serve. For me"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "and my wife at 2014 came and we had to"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "make a life decision and we decided to"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "prioritize family first. Now, you were"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "exactly right that 2016 on massive"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "attrition from the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "services. We were at the front end of"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "it, but what they've seen since 2016 is"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "incredible and we were at the we didn't"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "start the trend. We just happened to be"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "on the first wave"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "of leaving. But you you left like at the"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "it's like selling your property at a"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "perfect time. You sold at a perfect"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "We're very happy of it, too."}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "Yeah. Oh, I mean, congratulations on"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "selling your property at a perfect time."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "So So, okay, fair enough. So, I asked"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "that because, you know, you said fear is"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "a great motivator of what actions we"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "take in the future. I get it. But I also"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "thinks you know uh uh you know sometimes"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "also when you learn a lot you you know"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "the three phases we all go through with"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "parents and kids right you first phase"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "you know kids idolize their parents then"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "second phase they demonize their parents"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "oh I saw what you did dad you know mom I"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "saw they demonize then third phase is"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "they humanize their parents right I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "assuming an agent a CIA agent or an FBI"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "an NSA probably goes through those three"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "phases with the agency as well. You"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "first idolize like to others you're"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "like, \"Oh my god, And the CIA, that's"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "sick. That oh my I'd be using that to"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "get laid every day, you know? That's"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "what I'd be doing, right?\" So, I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "assuming like phase one is, \"Dude, I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "idolizing. I'm part of the freaking"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "CIA.\" And second phase is like, \"Damn,"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "that's some dirty stuff right there.\""}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "Cuz there's stuff you know that we don't"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "know, right? So, then you demonize."}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "Then you humanize and you say, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "these are not perfect people. Everybody"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "makes mistakes and every organization"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "makes mistakes. Corporations make"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "mistakes, governmental agencies make"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "mistakes, etc., etc. So, you go more in"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "the humanizing phase. But while"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "somebody's in the demonizing phase and"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "they're seeing the dark side of the"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "organization,"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "that's that's a vulnerable area for"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "somebody to come in and exploit that"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "opportunity."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "Okay. And many have from the outside,"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "right? Many we've had agents that have"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "been bought, money, sex, women, all of"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "that stuff. For me, when it says a"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "lifelong type of an NDA, you call it"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "secrecy."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "You know, I I don't know. Like sometimes"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "I wonder if it's happening, we don't"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "know about it, but they can't talk about"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "it because it'll ruin the credibility of"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "the existing agency because how do some"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "people know so much about us? Where are"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "they getting their intel? Like you were"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "talking about how Russia on another"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "podcast, you were talking about how"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "great of a job Russia's done uh against"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Ukraine, how they're actually getting"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "exactly what they want. Yes, you know,"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "uh, Ukraine has shown a lot of strength,"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "but maybe Russia's strategy is working"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "very effectively. How they're getting"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "their intel, I don't know. Even you"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "said, you said, I don't know how they're"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "getting how they're doing what they're"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "doing. So, how are they doing it? Maybe"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "we have some people that are supporting"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "them. Could that be a possibility?"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "It I would say it's more than a"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "possibility. It's almost a guarantee"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "that we that the United States in the"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "world of intelligence, we all assume"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "that we are penetrated to some level or"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "or another, right? Penetrated means we"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "have a mole among us or we have"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "information leaks among us. There's a"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "technical operation collecting"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "information from servers or databases"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "somewhere, right? You have to assume"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "that you're compromised because if you"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "assume that you're not compromised,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "you're even more exposed to risk. So"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "assume that you're compromised."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "Compartment compartmentalize from there"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "and act appropriately. Increase your"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "security from there. Right? Just like I"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "joked about the guy who didn't let me in"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "the front door. That's awesome security"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "for value tainment. This building is"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "that much more secure because that guy"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "in in in the face of doubt kept me out."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "No problem. He let me in eventually."}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "Guy's getting a promotion by the way."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "But that's that's how you have to"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "operate if you want to maximize"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "security, right? When it comes to why we"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "don't speak out of school. Yeah. We"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "don't want to dishonor our country. We"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "don't want to dishonor CIA. We don't"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "want to smear our family names, but we"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "also for damn sure don't want to give"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "our enemies information they might be"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "able to use against us just so that we"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "can talk about it on CNN or talk about"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "it in the press. There's an awesome"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "example of Osama bin Laden from uh from"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "2002,"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "2003. The Washington uh the Wall Street"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "Times or maybe the New York Times, Wall"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "Street Journal and New York Times uh was"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "speaking to a a intelligence service"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "anonymous source and they talked about"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "how we were tracking Bin Laden through"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "his satellite phone. That that was a"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "source and a method, right? The one"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "thing we're not supposed to talk about."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "And then because of that, Bin Laden"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "stopped using that satellite phone,"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "completely changed his communication"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "strategy, went dark, went black, and we"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "had to start all over again."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "I don't want to give"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "China any advantages. I don't want to"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "give Russia any advantages. I want to"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "give the American people every advantage"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "we can give them, but I also want to be"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "able to talk honestly about what my"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "peers don't talk about. Because just"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "like you're saying, I want to respect my"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "secrecy agreement, but I also want to be"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "able to shed some additional perspective"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "on the awesome work that the men and"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "women still inside get to do. The"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "privilege that I have as an American"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "being able to leave and still talk about"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "it. Cuz if I was in France, I wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "be able to. If I was in China, I"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "wouldn't be able to. If you're a SVR"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "officer in Russia, once you leave, you"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "don't get to talk about it."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "That's that's uh that's good that you're"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "so pro-American. Okay. And and I love"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "hearing that. But for me, I want to"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "transition into this next topic and then"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "we can talk about the one that I skipped"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "over. Um, so Peter struck, okay, James"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Comey, James Comey parties with Hillary"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Clinton and Bill Clinton. His wife,"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "they've supported their campaign, okay?"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "Peter struck, hey, texts come out. This"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "is what we're willing to do. XYZ, you"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "know, there's no way we're going to let"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "him win. You know, and the texts, we can"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "see the text, right? Okay. You seem like"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "a reasonable guy. You seem like a nice"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "guy. You seem like a uh guy that you're"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "like a trifecta. Uh I would have a blast"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "having party with you, going partying"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "with you. And we were 20s. We'd have a"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "blast together. If we added him, maybe"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "we'd go to jail, but we'd still have a"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "blast together. Number two, you're the"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "kind of guy that I, you know, enjoy"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "watching a game with and we're sitting"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "there talking and you know, and then"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "three, I'd feel comfortable for my"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "family and my kids to meet you and we,"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "you know, you go to the house, bring you"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "to my place. You give that vibe. Okay,"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "you're a man's man. You give very peace,"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "comfort, all that stuff."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "I can't say that about everybody. And we"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "can't say that the CI is 100%"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "bulletproof, high rank process because"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "you can't read in the minds of everyone."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "And I understand how some people that"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "are fully non-emotional that can be also"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "psychological where a person can be"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "extremely narcissistic or whatever where"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "they can manipulate. That's probably not"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "a person they want to hire as well. But"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "how do people like Peter Struck? How do"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "people like that get in where they"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "represent an institution that we have to"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "trust, an agency that's essentially"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "working to protect me?"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "How do they prevent from their emotions"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "and their friendships and the parties"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "they get invited to and the communities"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "they live in? How do they say, \"Listen,"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "we may be best friends. I may support"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "you, but you going to jail.\" Okay?"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "That's a very hard thing for a person to"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "do once you're fully vested with"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "someone, right? There's a reason how"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "they say in Hollywood, a lot of big"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "celebrities, they don't go on social"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "media. If you notice the big names,"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "they're not on Twitter. You you can't"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "find a Daniel D. Lewis on Twitter. You"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "can't find any of these big actors on"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "Twitter because for them is the moment"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "we open our mouth and give you our"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "opinions, it's very hard for us to act"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "because now you see us in a certain way,"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "right? Okay, that's very deep to me."}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "Very like this guy that played Elvis"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "Presley, I don't know what the guy's"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "name is. Incredible job. I was watching"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "all his interviews. I was so"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "flabbergasted by the guy. I was really"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "blown. But there's nothing on the guy,"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "right? How what kind of an artist he is."}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "But for this side, I have a hard time"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "believing that even these agents on the"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "inside can let their emotions get in a"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "way where they help one side of the"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "political party over the other side."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "No, it is again, let's if we skip the"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "idolize phase and we skip the demonized"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "phase, we go straight to humanize phase."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "That's you're you're explaining exactly"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "why that happens."}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Of course, they're swayed by their"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "emotions. We're all swayed by our"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "emotions. We go through specific"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "training to to de uh deincentivize our"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "emotional decision-m and increase our"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "dependence on rational decision-m but"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "it's still a process. It has to be"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "trained. It has to be practiced. It has"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "to be uh exercised. Often times when"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "you're making emotional decisions,"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "you're not giving yourself space or time"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "to train or exercise. You're just in a"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "moment making an emotional decision."}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "That's a very human thing to do. We all"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "do it. I don't know. Uh, Peter was that"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "Peter struck."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "So, I don't know him personally. I can't"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "speak to his specific credentials"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "whether he was blue badge CIA, green"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "badge CIA, related to C, I have no idea"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "what his role was there. But what I do"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "know is the men and women inside CIA"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "when I was"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "he was FBI but Peter struck FBI."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "Thank you very much. So when I was"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "inside federal government, inside"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "specifically inside CIA, we're we are"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "always taught to expect and predict that"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "we will think and act emotionally and"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "then try and take steps to limit that so"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "that we can give ourselves the space to"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "let our rational brain keep up. If"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "you're interested in the cognitive"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "cycle, I can give it to you in about two"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "two minutes. Go for it."}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "So every human brain, we call it we call"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "it pink matter. It's like a computer in"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "your head. You have two sides, a left"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "side and a right side. We all know that."}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "What we don't know is that one side"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "works faster than the other side. Right?"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "Your your left brain is your logical"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "brain. Your right brain is your creative"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "or emotional brain. Your right brain"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "works faster than your left brain. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "because your right brain depends on"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "these things called cognitive biases or"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "cognitive uh connections, these"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "inferences that it builds over time so"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "that it can jump from conclusion to"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "conclusion skipping logic. That's why uh"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "if you're a if you're a butt guy, right,"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "you don't even you just you are"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "attracted or not attracted in an instant"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "based off of the thing that you're"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "interested in, right? If you're a girl"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "that likes a certain kind of shoe or a"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "certain kind of purse, you're attracted"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "to it immediately. Your brain is"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "skipping the logical step. If your right"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "brain, if your left brain was in charge,"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "it would say, \"What is that? Is it real?"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "How much does it cost? Can I get access"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "to it?\" That's four steps compared to"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "the one step that says, \"I like it. I"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "want it.\" Sales people understand this"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "intrinsically even though they may not"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "be able to put words to it. Make it so"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "that it it triggers a rightbrain"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "reaction and the sales process will move"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "faster. If you're trying to sell through"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "a leftrain process, the sales cycle is"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "going to move slower. Try to talk about"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "the features and benefits, whatever"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "else. So, they train us to slow down our"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "right brain and speed up our left brain."}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "And there's exercises and practices you"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "can do that. One of the things that I"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "teach my my executives now and one of"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "the things I teach my sales teams now so"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "that people can kind of reprogram the"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "pink matter"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "for me. Uh uh by the way, can we do a"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "poll? Can we do a poll uh uh to see"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "which um which agency people trust the"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "most? Put FBI, put CIA. What else you"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "want to add to it? Do you want NSA? Put"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "NSA there as well."}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "Which of those three do you trust the"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "most? CIA. I have an I have an"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "assumption which one I think is going to"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "be number one,"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "but just put it in there. I don't want"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "to say it before people put it."}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "So, FBI, CIA, NSA. Let's see what people"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "say in this poll, but okay. So, um"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "that's that's my discomfort. So, for me,"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "when you're working like the Okay, last"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "night we're having dinner and we're"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "talking consulting. our consulting"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "business is growing very rapidly and"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "we're getting more and more uh uh uh"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "consultants that are coming over to us"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "and we're getting more people that are"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "calling us from Mckenzie's gu you know"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "these bigger uh account uh consulting"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "firms that want to sell our product"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "right so they're reaching out to us one"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "of the things that a guy was talking"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "about how is a lot of lazy executives"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "nowadays in Fortune 500 companies they"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "have an idea that they want to bring up"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "to the CEO okay so when they want to"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "bring up this idea to the CEO and Tom's"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "talking about this last Right? They say,"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "\"The best bet is I'll go to McKenzie and"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "I'll say, \"Here's my idea. Here's a half"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "a million dollars. Can you send me an"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "analysis on why this idea is good or"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "bad?\" They send it to them and they'll"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "say, \"Here's why it's a good idea.\" Then"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "they'll go pitch it to their CEO or"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "whoever the boss is that they're working"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "with, and they'll say, \"Here's my idea."}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "By the way, I've already spent a half a"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "million with Mackenzie. Mackenzie"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "already approved that it's a good idea."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "Let's go and test it.\" So that's their"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "insurance policy to say if it succeeds,"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "awesome. I get the victory. But if it"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "fails, look, at least I went and got my"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "insurance policy from who? From"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "McKenzie. And McKenzie gave me a thumbs"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "up. Hey, you're doing a good job. Go for"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "it. You know, kind of like backing them"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "up. Don't worry, we'll take the blame"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "for it because of our and whatever"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "research that we gave you. So, it's an"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "interesting way of doing it. So for me,"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "intelligence, do I trust a government"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "agency that's been there for years to do"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "it, or would I rather use an independent"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "agency that's more on the free market,"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "free enterprise side that has a"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "reputation that if you don't hit it,"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "negative reviews is actually hurts a"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "private agency. Negative reviews doesn't"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "do [\u00a0__\u00a0] for CIA. I can't go on Yelp and"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "find CIA. I can't go on Glass Door and"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "find CIA. I can't go anywhere and do"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "anything with FBI. They're like, \"Dude,"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "say whatever you want. You can't do"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "nothing about it.\" So maybe what happens"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "with this with my opinion is even if I'm"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "a president that gets elected, say I"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "become a president, do I really trust"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "the guy that's been an agent for 22"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "years, because in a way the agent that's"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "been there for 22 years or 27 years or"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "the director that's been there for 32"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "years, he looks down at me because in"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "the back of his head, he'll say things"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "like, \"Dude, you're only here for four"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "years at best. If you're lucky, maybe"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "eight years. You ain't [\u00a0__\u00a0] I've been"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "here for 32 years. Who the hell are you?"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "You're going to come and put it on your"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "resume that you became a president and"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "you're out of here. I don't care what"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "you're going to be doing. So, me as a"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "president who gets paid to be paranoid,"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "I sit there and I say, \"Why the hell"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "would I trust you to do the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "for me? Because your loyalties to people"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "that came before me, I'm going to go use"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "an independent agency outside, not in"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "the government, because I don't trust"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "you, to be honest with you, and then see"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "what we can get.\" So, do you see how"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "there's a little bit of that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "distrust and the lack of respect a the"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "director of CIA or director of FBI has"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "for whoever becomes a president and how"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "the lack of trust a president could have"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "for people that are currently in these"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "agencies."}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "Yeah. And you're you're exactly right"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "that that is what happens. And then but"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "there's a second step that I think we're"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "overlooking because all of those"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "director positions are presidential"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "appointments. So I would say almost to a"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "worse detriment, the president just"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "brings in whoever he wants to put in or"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "whoever she wants to put in and they"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "become the new director. Right? Every"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "president has a right to appoint who"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "they want. And that's why that's why uh"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "that's why directors at CIA and"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "directors at FBI and directors at NSA"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "change so frequently because they don't"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "come up from the inside. They don't"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "spend 35 years at CIA and become the"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "director. They spend 35 years and become"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "some lackey to the director and the"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "director is appointed by the president"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "inside the president's inner circle of"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "friends or peers and then they get the"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "chop off from the senate. So even I"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "would say it's almost worse than what"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "you're saying because the most"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "professional person in that organization"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "doesn't even have a chance of becoming"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "the director. They have to make friends"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "with whoever the incoming president is"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "or even worse whoever the presidential"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "party represents and then they will"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "become nominated for that role. And so"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "that's the truth of how it works. And"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "then to your second point, which I think"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "is even more powerful, America is asking"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "itself the question now, should we"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "privatize intelligence? We we failed"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "massively on September 11th, 2001."}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "Massive intelligence failure because we"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "let the the intelligence infrastructure"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "at FBI and CIA run things the way they"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "had always run things through the Cold"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "War. And we had completely closed our"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "eyes to the fact that we were moving"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "into a war on terror. Afghanistan,"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "massive failure. Predicting Ukraine,"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "massive failure, right? And now with"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "2016, President Trump, when the CIA"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "turned its back on Trump, Trump just"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "dried up funding and directed this"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "funding into a private intelligence"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "organization. So, we have seen it work."}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "We've seen people do it. The precedent"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "has been set. So, now the government is"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "asking itself the question collectively,"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "do we even keep doing it this way? How"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "do we change? How do we evolve? How do"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "we evolve closer to the speed of"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "business and less to the speed of"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "government?"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "It's not going to happen though."}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "It's not going to happen going to"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "happen. That's why you see private"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "intelligence on the rise right now. Most"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "of the people that sit inside CIA"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "headquarters aren't government"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "employees. They're contractors that"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "belong to Boozen, Hamilton, Rathon, Los."}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "I'm more comfortable with that."}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "But but that's the transition."}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "Yeah, I'm more comfortable with that."}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "And I'm glad I hope it goes that"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "direction. Uh uh uh so so uh uh my"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "paranoia if I'm in there and even if we"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "appoint a director of CIA, okay, what"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "percentage of the guys that are on the"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "inside, forget about the director of"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "CIA, what percentage of the guys on the"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "inside that are actually doing the leg"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "work"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "that are bringing up the report to the"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "top are getting replaced with a new"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "president. Not many of them."}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "And and you're and you're right again."}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "That's where again if you if you look at"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "it through the humanized lens,"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "the way that you get those people to"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "fall in line is you have to incentivize"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "them the right way."}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "I but I don't even want it to be"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "incentive because I I I uh I don't want"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "it to be incentive. I like okay in sales"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "I understand like like the best thing"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "that Jon said to me was a following. I"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "said what's the quality of a great CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "agent? She said Tyler we can hear you"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "type. She said, \"Somebody that is"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "extremely charming, somebody that can"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "pull information out, somebody who is"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "very competitive, somebody who is very"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "curious, but when they save the world,"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "they have no desire to share that big"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "victory with anybody and they keep it to"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "themselves.\" Like to the level of the"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "ambition isn't, \"Hey dude, you won't"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "even believe what I just did yesterday."}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "I prevented World War II.\" Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "that part doesn't happen because to most"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "people in sales, in Hollywood, in"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "sports, hey, so tell us LeBron, 38"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "points, 16 rebounds, 12 assists, three"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "steals. How's it feel? Well, let me tell"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "you, you know, it's a form of a"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "recognition. CI agent, so tell us Andy"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "Cajent Bus, how does it feel know when"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "you went in there with Gi Jing and you"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "found out that China's doing this? Well,"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "this was a team effort and we've been"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "working on getting you don't have that"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "kind of recognition, right? So,"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "I don't want there to be incentive."}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "The only incentive I want anybody"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "working for the government is the truth."}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "That is the only incentive."}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "That's that's not the only incentive you"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "want."}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "What are the incentive? Do I want form"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "of recognition?"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "Because the the the thing is no. So I"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "never said recognition was the"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "incentive."}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "You said the incentive of"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "I said they have to be incentivized."}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "Well, what So how do you incentivize"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "the same way you incentivize career any"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "career?"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "That's totally fine with me."}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "That's what I'm saying."}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "Oh, I'm game with that. I'm totally with"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "You want the person in charge of Africa"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "operations"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "to be the most qualified, most"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "experienced person who's done the most"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "hard work, who's done the most whatever"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "to become the head of Africa. And then"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "you want to incentivize that person to"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "tell the truth to the director every"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "time. So then you don't want to make it"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "punitive. You don't want to make it some"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "kind of weird uh uh you know, you only"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "brief up good news and you hide bad"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "news. You don't want that to happen. So"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "you have to incentivize them to continue"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "with their career even when they tell"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "you what you don't want to hear."}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "Yeah. So, for example, like, you know,"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "we're we're studying uh u I'm not I"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "don't believe in art, okay? Like, I"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "believe 70% of art is fraud, okay?"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "I don't know that it's fraud, but I"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "don't I don't understand it. So, I'm"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "with you there."}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "But check this out. So, I I So, but I'm"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "but I'm so skeptical that I I did"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "research, okay? And we're sitting there"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "going through the stuff with art, right?"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "Where today total value of art in the"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "world is $1.7 trillion. Okay? And Deoid"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "says that by 2026 it's going to increase"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "by $900 billion. And there's a place in"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "Switzerland called Geneva Freeport that"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "holds a hundred billion dollars of art,"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "$1.2 million pieces. They hold a hundred"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "billion in one building. You may want to"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "show this building. That's the building."}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "That building in Geneva Freeport holds"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "one point uh uh holds $100 billion of"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "art in that one building. Okay."}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "And this is people that buy the art that"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "send it there who never see the art to"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "prevent from paying the taxes. And it's"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "a form of a vault. So they don't buy it"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "because I'm going to show it off at my"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "house. They buy it as an investment"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "purpose. They put it in. A lot of times"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "what a lot of billionaires and"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "millionaires will do is they'll buy an"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "art at a half a million dollars. They'll"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "send it there. They'll get a new"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "appraisal to to say it's worth $10"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "million and then they'll give that art"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "and donate it to a museum and they get a"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "$10 million write-off where they get to"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "write off 30% of it. So there's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "different things with art, but I'm"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "really trying to see maybe Pat, you"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "ought to give the people in the art"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "world a break. So even this uh Salman"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "Mundy thing that recently sold"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "not Rush. No, no. Sal"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "Salvador Dolly."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "Salvador Dolly. You can pull up the"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "piece that the art piece that sold for"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "uh $450 million recently,"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "the guy from Saudi Arabia that bought"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "it. Uh Leonardo the what is it called?"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "Uh Salvador Mundi. Salvador Mundi. So"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "this thing in 1958"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "sold for \u00a345."}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "Then in 2005 it sells for 2,000 uh sells"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "for $10,000 in New Orleans. Then a"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "person comes out and says, \"This was"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "part of, you know, the Queen of"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "England's collection and it's a real"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "piece of Leonardo and etc., etc.\" Next"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "thing you know, it sells for $450"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "million by a person that nobody knows"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "about, right? So, and then like, but 80%"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "chance it's a fake and it's not real."}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "So, I really want to debate myself on"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "this. I really want to"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "convince myself that the CIA and the FBI"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "and these organizations do a lot of good"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "where the net net positive, you know,"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "it's a net positive than a net negative."}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "I'm okay with I'm not looking for"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "perfection,"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "But I want to be able to trust it, but"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "man, it's very very hard to do with the"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "last few years on what's happened. My"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "level of skepticism is so high. It's"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "hard to believe how much good they do"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "rather than how much bad they do to the"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "Uh I I can understand. I can totally"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "understand. And I don't I wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "disagree that I am also disappointed"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "with what I've seen in the last uh since"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "I left in 2014. So what is that eight"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "years? Um there's a couple of things"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "that are you brought up two points,"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "right? you brought up your own uh"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "questions about the the productivity and"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "the constructive use of the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "services and then you brought up the art"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "thing as I think as a parallel. This has"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "a very interesting story or a very"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "interesting explanation. If you if we"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "can get to it, I think you'd like it."}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "But when it comes to the the value of"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "intelligent services"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "when you only see the cost of goods"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "sold, right? That's essentially what"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "you're looking at. What the American"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "people look at with any secret"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "organization, they only see what they do"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "wrong. They only see the things they"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "that costs money. They have no idea the"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "lives that are saved. They have no idea"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "the tragedy that's avoided. They don't"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "get those stories. I I love Jonah. She's"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "a she's a great a great lady, a great"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "patriot, a great CIA officer, but she"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "embellishes sometimes what it's like to"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "be at CIA. That's an old school tactic."}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "We like to overreach in the in our our"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "gray hairs always overreach and idi and"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "and uh idolize what it's like to be CIA."}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "Part of it's because that's how they"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "were conditioned while they were there."}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "Part of it's because they always want to"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "be pitching people back, right? The more"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "accurate the more accurate way of saying"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "it, she was right about the curiosity"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "and she was right about the competition."}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "She was right about all that. But we"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "absolutely celebrate our victories. We"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "just don't do it publicly. We have"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "margarita machines inside CIA. We'll"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "shut down offices for half a day. We'll"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "put them on skeleton crews just so we"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "can celebrate the fact that we just"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "avoided a civil war in N in Nger, right?"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "Absolutely. There's high fives all the"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "time. People will sit in a bullpen. We"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "have a bullpen not too different from"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "this. And you'll sit together with a few"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "people overseas and you'll be like,"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "\"Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] guys. I think we just I"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "think we just literally saved 10"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "American lives today. We just brought"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "down a terrorist cell that no one even"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "knows existed.\""}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "Without any specifics, how many times"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "has that happened in your seven-year"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "career when you were there? in my it"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "happened probably three solid times in"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "my seven years"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "where it where it could have been"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "massively damaging to the world"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "where Americans would have been killed,"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "innocent Americans would have been"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "killed. There's a very clear example of"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "that. There's a place where we would"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "probably be 10 to 15 years behind where"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "we are right now in terms of the global"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "economic situation between China, Russia"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "and the United States had had one of our"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "operations not happened. Um, and then"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "there was another one that was in Africa"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "where it would have been like innocent"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "non-American lives, but allied lives,"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "western lives,"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "uh, British citizens, Canadian citizens,"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "a mix, just group that was targeted by a"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "fringe extremist group in Africa. So, we"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "have those victories. We celebrate those"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "victories. We love those victories. We"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "don't talk about those victories. I"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "guess my my biggest thing becomes if if"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "there's a bigger push to go private than"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "go public because p the the challenge"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "becomes there is zero competition for"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "CIA. You have a monopoly. There's zero"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "competition for FBI. You have a"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "monopoly. That is not good. There's a"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "reason why we have monopoly laws. When"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "AT&T went through it, Microsoft went to"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "went through it. You know, even Facebook"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "right now is going through, hey, we got"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "to kind of break it apart. You're too"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "this, you're too that. Okay, I actually"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "understand some of those conversations,"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "but why have monopoly laws for free"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "enterprise and not have monopoly laws"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "for government agencies? I think we need"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "monopoly laws for government agencies."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "How does a patent differ from a"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "monopoly?"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "Patent gives you a timeline. You don't"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "have it forever."}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "Correct. Okay."}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "Right. Monopolies don't last for either"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "forever either. They they incentivize"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "people to create competition and"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "monopolies are intentionally attacked by"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "the federal government where patents are"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "protected by the federal government."}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "Sure. So what I'm saying is that there's"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "a place for everything. There's a place"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "for patents. There's a place for"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "monopoly. There's a place for secret"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "intelligence services. There's a place"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "for one-sided advantage. Absolutely. But"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "there should be checks and balances."}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "There are checks and balances in our in"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "our private intelligence world and our"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "secret intelligence world publicly and"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "privately. But what we're also finding"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "is that there's vulnerabilities that"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "nobody talks about. The vast majority of"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "espionage cases right now are coming"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "from private intelligence. They're"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "coming from Chinese, Russian, uh,"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "Iranian, uh, penetrations through the"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "private intelligence network into a"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "mainstream building. We just, there was"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "just two a husband and wife couple. I"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "don't know if you want to look it up,"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "husband and wife couple that were uh,"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "working that were teachers in uh, I"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "don't know where it was, somewhere in"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "the northeast, but they were caught"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "spying, giving nuclear secrets about"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "American submarine technology to an"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "unnamed foreign service. They were just"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "arrested because they were contracted,"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "the husband was contracted as a as an"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "engineer to go uh to go work with the"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "Navy and now because of that in"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "Maryland. Thank you very much. This just"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "happened. Nobody knows this happened."}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "This doesn't make headlines. This is the"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "kind of stuff where where we're doing"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "the right thing and nobody even knows"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "it's happening. This happens all the"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "Unpack the story. So, what happened"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "here? Maryland husband and wife arrested"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "in nuclear submarine spy case. The"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "couple are accused of selling nuclear"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "secrets, including a SD card concealed"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "in a peanut butter sandwich. This is"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "classic human intelligence espionage. I"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "would I would suspect that this that the"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "unnamed service that they're talking"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "about here is the Chinese because this"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "fits a Chinese model of collecting"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "military secrets on American technology."}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "Right down to the fact that they were"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "doing dead drops in Maryland in food."}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "But let's let's break that down a little"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "bit because I think you could make the"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "case that even though it may be a"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "private institution, it's still"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "technically controlled by the CCP,"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "right? And I think it's because it's"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "tied to the Chinese government. I think"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "you could make the same case for Russia."}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "And I I don't disagree with Pat on the"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "idea that we should privatize uh uh"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "intelligence agencies, but I think you"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "mentioned Rathon. So like how do we keep"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "if we do go that route, how do we keep"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "from Rathon making up false intelligence"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "to sell weapons, right? or or like going"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "down that path to where they're they're"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "no longer focused on the actual"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "intelligence. They're focused on the"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "bottom line and the profit."}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "Well, that's one of the reasons that you"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "want to have a national intelligence"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "organization because one of the ways"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "that you differentiate information from"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "intelligence is through a process called"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "vetting. Information can be single"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "source. One time you hear it, you can't"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "find it anywhere else. Vetting means you"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "have to find the same piece of"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "information in multiple different"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "unrelated sources. Right? So the"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "difference between information"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "intelligence is is specific. But what"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "I'm saying here is this penetration,"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "these secrets were lost because of the"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "privatization of of intelligence. Had"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "this been a naval engineer working only"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "within the Navy, it would have been"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "harder for a foreign intelligence"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "service to recruit them and get them to"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "provide secrets. But because this person"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "was a civilian working for a private"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "organization contracted by the Navy, it"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "was easier."}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "So you're saying there's more risk to"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "being privatized. There's more risk to"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "being privatized just like there's more"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "risk to any company hiring anybody. Like"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "how do you know if you work in the"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "number one company in pharmaceuticals"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "that the number two company in"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "pharmaceuticals doesn't recruit your top"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "sales?"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "So so let me tell you this. I fully"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "fully agree between what you're saying."}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "Fully agree with what you're saying."}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "However, there's a big however. So there"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "there is risk to both sides. It's which"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "risk you want more. So, which of the two"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "has more of a risk to bully the American"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "people?"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "I trust the market. I'm with you. Okay."}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "I trust the market."}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "Here's where I'm going with that. See,"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "the market cannot bully the American"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "people. They're going to eventually get"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "caught,"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "but the government can bully American"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "people. And that's exactly what they're"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "doing today. They're bullying American"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "And so, although you're right, we're a"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "person on the free market side because"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "they're getting paid for the work that"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "they're doing. you know, they may be"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "like, \"Well, if you give me $500,000,"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "I'll give you information. If you give"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "me a million dollars, but we know a lot"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "of government agency people have done"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "that as well.\" And, you know, sold or"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "sold to I can tell you stories. There's"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "plenty of articles of different names."}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "You know them. I know them. We've read"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "about them. So, but my my bigger concern"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "is free enterprise cannot take my"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "freedoms away, but uh the government"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "can't take my freedoms away and bully"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "me. And uh a lot of times what they do"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "is they use,"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "you know, like Andrew Tate, this guy,"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "never met him, never talked to him."}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "We're probably going to do podcast"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "together eventually,"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "but uh he said some stuff I agree with,"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "and I love the fact that he's pushing"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "the envelope."}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "All of a sudden, hey, let's silence this"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "guy. Okay, why? Because, uh he's got a"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "case going on with uh women and all this"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "other stuff. Okay, there is criminal"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "activities that you have to, you know,"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "be held accountable for. And then"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "there's banning because he's saying some"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "stuff you disagree with. On the criminal"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "side, if I break the law, yes, I have to"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "go to court and if I'm doing time, I'm"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "doing time. Big difference. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "what he's done. If he's done crime, hey,"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "that's the level of accountability. But"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "banning somebody for things you disagree"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "with. OJ Simpson is on Twitter. The is"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "on Twitter. Putin, who just killed a"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "bunch of people, he's on Twitter. He"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "ain't banned. How come they're not"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "banned? You're afraid of what this guy's"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "going to be doing. That's the part where"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "I wonder if government gets involved and"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "saying that guy's been a little too"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "loud. Shut this guy up. And I I free"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "market can bully by saying we don't want"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "your customer. Simple. Facebook can say"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "that. Twitter can't say that. Instagram"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "can't say that."}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "But are they saying it because they're"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "saying it? Like this whole story going"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "into Facebook where, you know, he sits"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "with uh Rogan uh uh uh and Zuck. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "Zuck sits with Rogan and they go through"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "a bunch of different stories and uh you"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "know, here's a story from Fox Business."}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "FBI response to Zuckerberg's claim on"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "Rogan that Facebook limited Hunter Biden"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "story uh after agency's warning and"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "appearance by Mark Zuckerberg on Joe"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "Rogan podcast last week. Stoke"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "controversy after Metacio admitted that"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "Facebook limited the bombshell Hunter"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "election because the FBI had warned"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "about Russian propaganda after the"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "release of the episode on Thursday. The"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "FBI said it routinely notifies US"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "private sector entities, including"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "social media providers, of potential"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "threat information so that they can"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "decide how to better defend against"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "threats. The agency said it has provided"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "companies with foreign threat indicators"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "to help them protect their platforms and"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "customers from abuse by foreign malign"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "influencer influence actors. Okay, you"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "read this."}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "I can take this in a couple different"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "ways. One way I take this is Zuck did"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "this intentionally"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "cuz he's like, \"I'm so sick of you guys"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "targeting me. Leave me alone, okay? I"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "have two customers, the left, the right."}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "I have to kind of deal with both of you"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "guys and both of you guys hate the other"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "side. I get it, but let me do my job.\""}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "So maybe he said this publicly"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "intentionally to get under FBI's uh skin"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "and kind of have them be exposed a"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "little bit. Maybe 10% I believe it was"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "intentional. Did he do it accidentally?"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "He's too smart to do it accidentally."}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "Like was Joe really cornering him and"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "pressuring him? You better tell me or"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "else and you know here's No, it's just a"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "basic conversation we came out."}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "Could it be accidental? But when"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "somebody says something like this, this"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "this just keeps hurting more and more"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "and more. So the FBI bullied the"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "American people through cornering a free"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "enterprise company that made them"}, {"end": "00:34:59", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "silenced because they didn't have the"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "intel that the FBI claimed they had and"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "they couldn't verify through private"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "agency that's a competitor to FBI that"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "they had to kind of take that position"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "and because of that we have the greatest"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "motivational speaker of all time as our"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "president Joe Biden. Right. So it's a"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "kind of like a very weird situation that"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "takes place here."}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "Yeah. So what you're I think that"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "there's a couple things that we want to"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "keep in mind. We want to keep in mind"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "the context of the situation. So if you"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "recall 2016, first of all, let's be"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "let's be very honest with each other."}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "Russian meddling in the US elections did"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "not start in 2016."}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "Every election cycle ever has had people"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "trying to meddle in the election. What"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "happened is that in 2016, social media"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "got caught. That's what happened in 16."}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "Before then, we could all kind of"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "pretend it wasn't there. It's like the"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "It's like that uncle in our family that"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "we don't want to talk about because"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "they're kind of maybe they they're a"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "criminal or maybe they went to jail or"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "who knows what they did, but we don't"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "really we don't want to we don't want to"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "be the one who calls the police and"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "turns the uncle in, but we also don't"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "want to be the person who admits that we"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "know the uncle or that the uncle's in"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "our family, right? And that's exactly"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "what happens with espionage almost all"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "the time. People don't want to admit"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "that it's there, but it's happening all"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "the time. It's that ugly wart on your"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "butt you don't want anybody to know"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "about. Right? What happened in 16 is"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "everybody saw a ward."}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "Espionage became a a household word."}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "Influence campaigns, covert influence"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "became household conversation. In 2020,"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "everyone was expecting it to happen"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "again. Trump was back back in the race."}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "Russia was still involved. All the 16"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "investigations came to fruition in 18."}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "And you had CIA basically telling us"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "that they couldn't trust the president"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "and the president saying that they"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "didn't trust CIA. And it was a disaster."}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "It was a total mess. The social media"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "companies did not want to get stuck in"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "the middle of being accused in the"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "future of being willing uh voices for"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "propaganda from Russian meddling or"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "Chinese meddling or Iranian meddling."}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "All of which happens, Saudi meddling"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "happens, right? Nobody wants to nobody"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "wants to be on the X for that. So the"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "more cautious approach is to just shut"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "it down. If FBI calls you and says,"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "\"Hey, this is Russian meddling. We think"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "this is Russian meddling.\" What does"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "what does Zuck have to lose by being"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "overly cautious and just doing what they"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "tell him to do? To a certain extent,"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "you're right. He's saying, \"Just leave"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "me alone, guys. Let me do what I do. I'm"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "not a political mouthpiece. I'm just a"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "social media channel, but I'm also a"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "business owner. And the practical"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "solution here is if the FBI tells me"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "that that I might be being abused by the"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "Russians, I don't want the Russians to"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "abuse my platform. So, I'm just going to"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "shut it down.\" 2 years later, we have"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "the benefit of time now. Now, we can"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "look back and look at all the"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "information. He had limited information"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "in a short period of time. I actually am"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "really proud of Zuckerberg for saying it"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "publicly like, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "I agree."}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "I had to shut it down, guys. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "mean that FBI is bullying me. It means I"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "took the more conservative decision and"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "maybe that was the wrong decision.\""}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "Oh, by the way, that's publicly standing"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "up to FBI."}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "Correct. And then that's he had we all"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "as American citizens, we have the right"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "to stand up to our own government."}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "That's what the First Amendment promises"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "us."}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "He's already screwed up, by the way."}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "like you know he screw he screwed up the"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "election because him and Dorsy both of"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "them took the fear position and it was"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "so sudden was they okay strategically"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "can we all agree that that story was"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "held till the week prior to the election"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "because that's the bond they were going"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "to drop to flip the voting at the last"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "minute. We all know that would have been"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "intentional. It's not like they just got"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "the story last minute. If I'm a skeptic,"}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "I'm assuming New York Post had that"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "story for a while and they were timing"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:24", "text": "on when to drop it. That's my"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "skepticism. I may be wrong. So, and in"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "politics, stories matter on and timing"}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "matters on when they drop it. So, he"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "essentially affected the election. So,"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "Dorsy essentially affected the election."}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "the fact that he's saying it now, I"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "think he's more doing this to say,"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "\"Don't come bothering me for 2024.\""}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "I I I don't disagree with you. So, I"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "will I will say that I don't necessarily"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "agree that the Washington uh the Wall"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "Street Journal, Washington Times,"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "whoever broke the story, I'm not saying"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "that they dropped the story when they"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "dropped it specifically to to change the"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "direction of the election. They dropped"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "it at a very intentional time most"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "likely to get maximum readers, maximum"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "views of their advertisement, maximum,"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "you know, press coverage and secondary"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "vi like viral coverage, not to sway an"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "election. But what I will also say is"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "that there's only one person or not one"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "person, there's one entity that has the"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "responsibility for the way the elections"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "turned out and that's the American"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "people. If you stood in line and you"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "voted, you own the vote that you cast"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "that day. Zuckerberg did not change the"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "course of the election. Did he have a a"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "tool that could have been used to sway"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "it? Sure. But ultimately, somebody went"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "and stood in line, cast a vote, and"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "that's the person who owns the"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "responsibility for the outcome right"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "now. That's the person who owns the"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "responsibility for every single outcome."}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "That's why you have to vote. It's why"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "you have the right to vote. We just have"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "to understand, especially if you look at"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "2020. 2020 was a freakish year."}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "I have a hard time processing that. I"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "have a very hard time processing that."}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "So you're telling me the person who"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "voted has the ultimate responsibility"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "for the results?"}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "For the vote they cast."}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "For the vote they cast. I understand."}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "But"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "the journalists have a responsibility"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "for digging up and getting the"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "information to the people so they can"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "read it before voting to be as educated"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "as possible. And these virtual"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "governments such as Facebook, Twitter,"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "YouTube have to permit that information"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "to be released to the public. so they"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "can make the most educated vote, which"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "they prevented from happening. So, you"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "can't I have a hard time saying in this"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "case that it's the voters's"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "responsibility on the way they voted."}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "No, they did not have access to the"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "entire information. This article says"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "79% say truthful coverage of Hunter"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "Biden's laptop would have changed the"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "2020 election. And the numbers they gave"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "is majority in both parties. 89% of"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "Republicans, which is fine. That makes"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "I'm surprised it's not 99% of"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "Republicans, but 89% of Republicans, 61%"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "of Democrats said they believe the"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "laptop is real along with 74%"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "of independents. So, if the difference"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "between it coming out a week versus a"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "week after that, that's a very big"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "difference right there."}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "Let me show you a quick spy tool. All"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "right. So, um what's what's our I'm"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "sorry,"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "Tyler, do me a favor. Go to this article"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "and then look up the specific survey. I"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "did this after I saw this article. I"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "want to show you exactly how spiders"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "New Jersey. I looked at it. Yeah, I saw"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "that. That's the first thing I did."}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "This is what New York Post."}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "Did you see the population that they"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "tested?"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "1,00 uh"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "226."}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "1,226."}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "Do you know what a statistical relevant"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "population is?"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "What's that?"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "3,000."}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "So, this is not a statistical not a"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "statistically relevant representation of"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "a survey result. They could essentially"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "have called 1,022 old Republicans in a"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "single district to ask them this"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "question and get this result. Surveys"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "are no polls are notorious."}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "I trust two polls."}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "Is this one of them?"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "No, that's not one of them."}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "So this is this is what I'm saying."}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "What I tell you yesterday, by the way,"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "what I said to you yesterday when I said"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "look up the poll, who's it by? We look"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "at New Jersey."}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "I said I tell you which two polls I'll"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "pay attention to."}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "Or uh"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "Gallup, those two I'll pay attention to"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "them. I'm not going past"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "uh direct everything else. I like hey"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "pole box pole. No, I fully get it. I"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "fully get it."}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "So these guys when I looked at this,"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "that's when I was like, well, they can"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "shape their pace."}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "Forget about these guys. Just the just"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "the four of us talking right now and"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "whoever else that's watching this,"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "right? You mean to tell me the story not"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "being released didn't impact"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "the story did? So here's I want to make"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "sure that we're aligning responsibility"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "in the right place."}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "Please."}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "Zuckerberg does not Zuckerberg runs a"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "business. He does not run a second"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "government, a federal, a commercial"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "government, a shadow government. He runs"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "a business. The journalists have a"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "journalistic responsibility to report"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "the facts. Amen. 1,000% true. Journalism"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "is dying."}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "Journalism, some people say, is fully"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "dead. And the journalists who write for"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "most of these mainstream news sources"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "hate the way that the editors handle"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "their journalistic responsibilities"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "because the editor does not have a"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "journalistic responsibility like the"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "journalist does. So they're forced to"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "produce at a certain speed before they"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "can do what's needed to meet"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "journalistic requirements. And then"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "information is controlled by a business"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "that wants to spend its time being, you"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "know, protective of its own long-term"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "business interests. I'm sure you get"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "that. And then what's left is the human"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "being, the person, the American on the"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "other side is scrolling through Facebook"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "only reading what they see. And we have"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "given that person, that American has got"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "the permission now to think that it's"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "okay to get your news from Facebook."}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "It's not okay to get your news from"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "Facebook. It's not okay to get your news"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "from just one source of anything."}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "But but what do you mean it's not okay"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "to get your news from Facebook, though?"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "Facebook isn't a platform where I get my"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "news from because they write it."}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "Facebook is where stories go viral."}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "Correct."}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "Twitter is where stories go viral."}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "Correct. for you to prevent a very"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "damaging story to not go viral for the"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "public to know before they vote knowing"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "this is a very corrupt situation here."}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "You're uh essentially manipulating the"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "election and then the world paid a price"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "for it because if the election was a"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "possibly in a different way, say"}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "somebody else becomes president, Russia"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "probably doesn't attack Ukraine. Lives"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "could have been saved there. we probably"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "don't lose $83 billion of equipment in"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "Afghanistan because that would have been"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "handled in a different way and you know"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "economy would probably be in a slightly"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "different place. Inflation would be in a"}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "different place. Many things would be in"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "a different place if it wasn't for that"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "and and the American people today are"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "paying a price for it. Yesterday a poll"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "came out. I don't know if you saw the"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "poll or not on who they're saying the"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "leading candidate is for presidency. Did"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "you see that or no? A story by F. Okay."}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "So story came out. What page is that on"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "page seven? So you've seen this. I'll"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "read it to you. So, page seven. This is"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "yesterday."}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "Uh uh uh uh no. Is it page seven? Do you"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "know which one I'm looking at? Uh title"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "or no? Hang on."}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "Bottom of six. You're talking about"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "Bernie Sanders."}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "No, it's not that one. It's another one"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "where it says Bernie Sanders is the"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "leading candidate leading polls."}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "Uh yeah, it's page six."}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "Is it page six? Okay. So, if I go to"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "a Hill story, highest favorability."}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "So, Sanders Sanders has highest"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "favorability among possible 2024"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "contender poll. This is a Hill story."}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "This is not a Fox story or CNN. Sanders"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "clocked in with the highest favorability"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "rating amongst the list of 23 potential"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "2024 candidate con presidential"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "contenders. According to a new USA Today"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "poll, 46% of the respondents say they"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "had at least a somewhat favorable view"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "towards Sanders, while 41% said they had"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "an unfavorable opinion. President Biden"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "had the second highest at rating at 43%."}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "although his unfavorability was notably"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "higher than Sanders at 52. And then, you"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "know, Trump clocked in with the same"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "rating as Biden. So, again, polls, USA"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "Today, we know which side they're going"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "to lean. Of course, they're going to"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "want a Sanders, you know, because it's"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "going to be more."}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "Yeah, they're going to want to be able"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "to use that part as well. But at the"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "same time, I think when you're saying"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "Facebook, Twitter, these guys don't have"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "a responsibility. I think they have a"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "responsibility of allowing the message"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "to be released. The populace, what the"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "populace, you and I, the citizens, the"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "voters have a responsibility for is not"}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "to jump to conclusion, is to do our own"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "due diligence before voting. But that"}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "the responsibility is for them. So"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "releasing of the information is on"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "Facebook. They got to release that part."}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "The information is out there regardless"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "of whether it's on Facebook. They could"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "just get it from a different news"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "source."}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "I know, bro. that I can post the same"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "video clip on Instagram, on Facebook, on"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "Twitter, on YouTube, on Tik Tok and all"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "of a sudden one of them, like for"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "example, Tik Tok. I'll tell you perfect"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "situation. If you go back, look at my"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "Tik Tok account. I was posting videos"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "and I was getting 100 views, 600,000"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "views, 100,000 views, 800,000 views, 5"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "million views, 2.1 million views, 1.8"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "million views. I post two clips about"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "China. Find a clip after. It's been 50"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "videos since that clip. Find a clip"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "after that. if any one of them have ever"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "done 10,000 views. I'm like, okay,"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "content is content. One of the clips"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "posted by somebody else got 6 million"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "views of the same thing I said on a"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "smaller platform posted it, but I put it"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "on mine. It got 11,000 views. So,"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "virality is about the gods of viral to"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "allow an article to go viral. Today,"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "when an article is going viral, social"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "media, they know when the trigger's back"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "in. Uh oh, look at this. This thing's"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "going viral. What is it? Okay, let it"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "go. Uh oh, this thing's going viral. Oh"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "yeah, let it go. Uh oh, this thing's"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "going Shut it down. Shut it down. Shut"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "it down. Shut it down. Shut it down."}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "Goes like this. I've seen videos on on"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "on November 22nd, 5 years ago. I did an"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "interview with Jim Jenkins. And Jim"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "Jenkins was one of the four guys that"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "held John F. Kennedy's brain. He was in"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "the autopsy room. He stayed quiet for 50"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "years. Christian man, quiet man. Never"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "wanted to talk to anybody. He was afraid"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "because they told him, \"If you say"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "anything, we're going to take the Navy"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "money away from you.\" So this guy"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "doesn't want to talk. Finally, he says,"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "\"I want to talk about it.\" But he comes"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "and if you ever see an interview, was so"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "nervous. We put it out on November 22nd,"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "which is the the assassination day. The"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "video goes like this. Boom. Boom. Boom."}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "Then suddenly it went like this, right?"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "That doesn't happen."}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "What platform?"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "YouTube. That doesn't happen. It went"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "like this and then it stayed like this."}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "Okay. So what does that mean? Wait a"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute."}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "Hold this thing back. a person on the"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "back end when I look at my creative"}, {"end": "00:48:44", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "studios I can see I've never in the"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "history of my 1800 videos I've ever seen"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "a video do that why is this happening"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "sometimes these types of things happen"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "because these platforms have the ability"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "to prevent these types of topics to"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "become so that's that's my only concern"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "with Facebook and I think I want to be"}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "able to be an optimist and I think what"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "Zuck is trying to say is guys next time"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "we're on FBI we're telling the story and"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "we're not getting in the way. I think"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "that's what he's saying. Now, whether"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "he'll follow through with that or not,"}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:09", "text": "we have no idea."}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "Yeah, there's there's an interesting"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "relationship between national security"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "and big business in the United States."}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "Biden's laptop is an Hunter Biden's"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "laptop is an excellent example. The the"}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "make and model of that laptop is an"}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "Apple."}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "How did they get onto an Apple without"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "the user?"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "How did they do that? You shouldn't be"}, {"end": "00:49:32", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "allowed to do that. You know what? FBI"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "has long had a contentious relationship"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:32", "text": "with Apple."}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "Big time. Apple won't let them onto"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "iPhone."}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "San Bernardino."}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "Yeah, the San Bernardino. Yeah, exactly."}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "Right. How the hell did they get on? How"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "did they get on this Apple?"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "What What's your skepticism?"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "My My point here is you can see that"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "Apple does not protect your privacy like"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "they promise that they do. They choose"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "which plat, which device to let who on."}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "Right? In this case, they let somebody"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "onto this guy's Apple. And in other"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "cases, they won't let FBI get onto an"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "Apple iPhone that belongs to uh a Saudi"}, {"end": "00:50:08", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "pilot who kills a bunch of people in"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "Pensacola. So there's a relationship"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:08", "text": "between the government and Apple. And"}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "Apple chooses when to share and when not"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "to share. So this is this relationship"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "that you were talking about with"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "Zuckerberg. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "It happens in social media. It happens"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "in all big government, all big"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "organizations, all big companies in the"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "United States because companies will, if"}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "they get big enough, they have a"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "responsibility to contribute to national"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "security. Some play nicely, others play"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "inconsistently, others don't play well"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "at all. So what you're seeing is every"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "company has to learn. It has to mature"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "and evolve its own position on how am I"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "going to be how am I going to plug"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "myself in to this national security"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "context. I want to say we had the guy"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "here who uh uh he had the laptop that"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "was John Paul Misa."}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "We had him here uh 6 weeks ago, 7 weeks"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "ago."}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "And I want to say when Hunter brings it"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "in, the password to get into the"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "computer was given. I want to I want to"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "assume it was given because he let him"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "log on."}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "Well, he was working on it."}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "That's what I'm saying. So, I want to"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "assume. So, I don't think it was Apple."}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "Uh uh I think the government can't stand"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "Apple because they don't give the"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "information that they do cuz Tim Cook uh"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "uh uh is very interesting guy by the"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "way. Tim Cook is a very very interesting"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "guy on how he uh uh works uh with uh the"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "government, how he works with different"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "presidents and who he is. first gay CEO"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "of a Fortune 500 company to come out and"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "but at the same time he had a good"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "relationship with Trump and he had a"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "good relationship with you know very"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "interesting way have he is but uh I"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "don't know I won't if it's true it's"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "true maybe Apple gave him the"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "information but from what I know from"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "the guy that was here 7 weeks ago I"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "thought he got the password to log into"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "the system"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "but you you don't have an Apple phone"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "you're not a fan of Apple correct"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "correct"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "all right"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "you're Droid are you a Droid person"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "I use Android mainly because it's the"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "other option right there's only like two"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "major options that are out there."}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "There's other options when you get to"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "super high levels"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "and and that's a just a personal"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "preference or there's a moral political"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "rational reason."}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "Yeah. It's because of care. If if people"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "are killing if terrorists are killing"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "Americans,"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "what kind what business stance do you"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "have as an American company"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "to not let to not help the FBI solve"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "that case? You don't have to help them"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "solve every case, but how the hell are"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "you choosing to not protect? We can't"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "investigate a Saudi Arabian phone. We"}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "can't investigate a network of phones"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "that belong to known terrorists. Why"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "can't we investigate those phones,"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "right? And you obviously have a way to"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "get into the phone because you guarantee"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "service to all of your clients. So you"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "you already have a back door. We don't"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "need to know the code to the back door."}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "But but at what point do you decide when"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "you're responsible for the security of"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "Americans and when do you decide that"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "you're not responsible for security of"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "America?"}, {"end": "00:52:47", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "But by the way, you know what you just"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "made me think about? You just made me"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:47", "text": "think about So how many how many"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "employees does Apple have? 400,000. I"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "don't know what the number. It's a"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "massive number. You mean to tell me none"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "of those guys on the inside who can't"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "stand a president on either side won't"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "somehow release the password to the"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "government in a way that nobody will"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "find out."}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "I'm sure they could. I'm sure they"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "could."}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "there's always leaks."}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "Yeah. How many"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "It's the wart on our butt that we were"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "just talking about, right?"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "37,000 employees. Yeah. Well, it's it's"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "like 400,000. Yeah. 400,000 employees."}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "It makes you it makes you kind of think"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "about the fact that whistleblowers on"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "the you're seeing what project veritas"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "is doing. I have to say you I'm curious"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "to know what you say. How does a CIA or"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "FBI how do they look at a project"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "veritas? What do they think about an"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "organization like that?"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "So I am not familiar with project"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "veritas."}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "Okay. You're not familiar with James"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "O'Keefe."}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "What is it?"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "You've never heard of James O'Keefe?"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "I'm the name is not ringing a bell for"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "me."}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "Okay. you I'm surprised because that guy"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "is"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "well you may want to look him up if you"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "if you just look him up you'll see"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "because project Veritas is everywhere"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "with what he's got going on okay so"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "let's talk about the Mara Lago raid and"}, {"end": "00:54:01", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "what happened there okay so at this"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "point of the game you know the story the"}, {"end": "00:54:06", "start": "00:54:01", "text": "people know the story it's gone back and"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "forth now they're saying hey former FBI"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:06", "text": "official says Russian Chinese and"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "Iranian spies could have tried to"}, {"end": "00:54:17", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "infiltrate Trump's Marago residence this"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "is an insider story which I believe is"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:17", "text": "CIA believes that all people are born"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "with a spy secret superpower. For some"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "people that means they can win deals."}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "For others they can spot liars. Some can"}, {"end": "00:54:33", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "even seduce lovers. I built a free 3inut"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "test to help reveal to you exactly what"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:33", "text": "your secret hidden superpower is. All"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "you have to do is click on the link in"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "the description below, take the test,"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "and start using your spy superpower to"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "stay ahead of 99% of people. said by"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "Peter Struck, the same guy I was talking"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "to you about earlier, uh who was once"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "the deputy director of FBI's counter"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "intelligence division, said that it is"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "likely that foreign agents from Russia,"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "China tried to infiltrate former Trump's"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "former President Trump's Marlago"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "residence considering the top secret"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "documents that were being kept there."}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "Struck was fired from the agency for"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "sending anti-Trump texts on his work"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "phone. Absolutely the Russians, but not"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "the Russians alone. any contempt foreign"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "intelligence services whether that's"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "those belonging to China those belonging"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "to Iran to Cuba certainly including"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "Russia are all were very in were"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "interested and are interested in gaining"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "access to Mara Lago he said uh"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "especially concerning the lack of uh any"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "sort of control of memorization uh"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "memorialization of who had access to"}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "Mara Lago at any given time. So when you"}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "hear something like that and what"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "happened with Marago first of all just"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "the position that they took where you"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "know Biden says oh we had no clue about"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "it this is not something we knew about"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "it you know and then Garland is the only"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "one I know nothing about it it's not my"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "project somebody else's yeah okay there"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "is 8 billion people in the world there's"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "only one other guy that's a former"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "president if somebody raids that guy who"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "was your anime you know he's your enemy"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "he's the guy that you don't want to go"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "up against you knew nothing about it"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "none of that was disclosed to you and"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "then when they give the affidavit, you"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "saw what came out with all the black"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "bars and you know nothing is wanting to"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "be disclosed for someone like you who's"}, {"end": "00:56:11", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "in the world. What how are you"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "processing what happened here with Mara"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:11", "text": "Lago?"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "So Trump has been a target of"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "investigations since the time he was"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "running for president in 2016. This is"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "just the next this is a a predictable"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "breadcrumb in that long-term trail."}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "Right. Do I there's a there's a um a"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "tool that we use at the agency called"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "Herams Razor and Herm's Razor tells us"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "to never subscribe to conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "what can be explained through"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "incompetence."}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "So never subscribe to conspiracy what"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "can be explained through incompetence."}, {"end": "00:56:48", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "So do I believe that Biden knew that"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "this was going to happen? Probably not."}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:48", "text": "He maybe it was on a list somewhere that"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "got buried on the bottom of his 10-page"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "list and he just never got to it. Maybe"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "he was supposed to be briefed and"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "someone didn't brief him. Maybe the"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "Department of Justice, which falls under"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "the judicial branch of government,"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "actually decided not to tell him because"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "he is the executive branch of government"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "and we have three different branches"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "that don't have to communicate"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "everything to each other. So, who knows"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "how it turned out, but I don't see"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "conspiracy in this. What I see in this"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "is a continuation of the same sort of"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "hunting behavior to find enough evidence"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "to bring some kind of criminal"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "prosecution against Trump that sticks."}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "And it's the same thing that we did for"}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "a long time against Hillary Clinton. So"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "this is just unfortunately this is the"}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "this is the the world of politics that"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "Americans are going to live in for a"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "while as we try to mix executive branch"}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "and judicial branch and keep trying to"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "hunt down politicians and business"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "people acting like businessmen and"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "politicians."}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "How much is this is political"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "incentivization versus actual all right"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "let's figure out the truth here in your"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "opinion?"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "I think a lot of it is political. Um, I"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "don't think the truth is something that"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "that the government is particularly"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "interested in when it comes to Trump."}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "They either know the truth"}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "to a high enough probability that that"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "they can make their decisions moving"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "forward, or they don't know the truth,"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "but they also can't just ignore it. To"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "just ignore it would mean to basically"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "let go of all of the time and all of the"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "money and all of the effort that they've"}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "put into it so far. And let's not"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "forget, Trump is still a extremely"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "powerful player in Republican politics."}, {"end": "00:58:24", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "Extremely powerful player. whether he"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "runs for president or not, what he says"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "about a candidate transforms that"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "candidate's opportunities."}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "You brought up Hillary Clinton and I"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "assume you're talking about the the"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "parallel between her email server and"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "top security information and in this"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "exact same scenario with Trump. What's"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "the parallel you're seeing there?"}, {"end": "00:58:46", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "People hunt people try to hunt down some"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "sort of judicial criminal action to to"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:46", "text": "uh either eradicate or neutralize the"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "threat of that politician. It's just I"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "mean whether we the stuff that we saw in"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "2016 on just the Democratic side was"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "horrible. We saw the Clinton campaign,"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "we saw the Democratic National"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "Convention undermine Sanders"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "intentionally when he was running"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "against Clinton. Like that that is"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "manipulation of politics all day long."}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "The idea that the voter gets the"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "ultimate say, yes, that's true. But then"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "you also have things like in 2020 when"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "Instagram decided to start telling"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "everybody as soon as you logged into"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "Instagram, as soon as you opened up the"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "app, register to vote, click here to"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "register to vote, it was pushing"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "registrations to vote of the audience"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "that that they knew was on Instagram,"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "which is a certain age demographic, a"}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "certain socioeconomic demographic, etc.,"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "etc., etc., which I mean that was"}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "common. That's this is the world that"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "we're living in now as everybody starts"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "to get so heavily involved in politics."}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "Um, and we start seeing conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:59:43", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "everywhere when what we really need to"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "be accepting is like this is America's"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:43", "text": "adolescence. We're not a mature country."}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "We're just over 200 years old. We're not"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "mature. China's 4,000 years old,"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "right? We're we're coming into our"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "adolescence growing pains and hair in"}, {"end": "00:59:58", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "new parts of our body that we never saw"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "before. Remember how terrible that felt"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:58", "text": "when you couldn't wear sweatpants to"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "school anymore? That's a horrible"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "feeling for a dude. That's where we are"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "right now when we've got like 50 to 100"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "years of adolescence coming up. And this"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "is the kind of garbage we're gonna have"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "to deal with."}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "Yeah. I have I I And by the way, I"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "understand what you're saying on on the"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "truth um conspiracies. Um I have a very"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "hard time believing that the president"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "didn't know they were going to be doing"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "this. Very very hard time believing"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "you're again, for example, like LeBron"}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "James."}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "Who are the people that he's going to"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "know everything that's going on with"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "those people? Michael Jordan's probably"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "one of them because he's trying to pass"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "up Michael Jordan. Okay. Like he"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "probably sees everything that's going on"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "with Michael. Okay. All right. Barack"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "Obama. Who was he seeing that's, you"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "know, what's going on with anything with"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "them? He probably followed everything"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "that was going on with the Clintons cuz,"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "you know, behind closed doors, they're"}, {"end": "01:00:55", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "apparently big competitors. And he was"}, {"end": "01:00:57", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "probably following everything was going"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:55", "text": "on with Trump. Even when he gave that"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:57", "text": "one speech from stage, you know, and he"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "did the tweet and you know, Trump said"}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "this about you on Jimmy Fallon or Keo"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "says at least I will go down as being a"}, {"end": "01:01:08", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "president, you know, you won't be a"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "president. Trump becomes president."}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:08", "text": "Yeah. So, you know, you know, hey,"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "elections have consequences and Obama"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "looks to the left. He's right, you know."}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "So, I have a hard time believing in the"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "game of competition that you don't know"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "that they're doing this. Oh, I didn't"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "know this was going on. And when you say"}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "you don't know what's going on, do you"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "know how pathetic you look as a leader?"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "Wait, let me get this straight. You did"}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "not know that that's going on. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:01:35", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "man. What a kind of a leader are you"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "that you don't know this kind of stuff"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:35", "text": "is going on? If you don't know what's"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "going on with him, maybe you shouldn't"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "be in office cuz a person that should"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "know what's the is in office should have"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "known that this is going on. Yeah. It's"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "it's both ways. No matter what direction"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "you say, I didn't know. I did know. It's"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "it doesn't look good for anybody."}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "No, I agree. I agree with that. It"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "doesn't look good for anybody. There's a"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "you keep there's a word that you uh that"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "you used quite a bit in that"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "explanation, right? The word was"}, {"end": "01:02:04", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "probably and the core the core word in"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "probably is probable. The root word is"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:04", "text": "probable. Probable refers to"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "probability."}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "So when so what the word probably"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "actually means is there is a high"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "probability that such and such is true."}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "I absolutely agree with you. There is a"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "probability that Biden knew. I just"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:21", "text": "don't know that it's a high probability."}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "51% versus 49%. I think there's a very"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "high probability someone tried to"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "communicate it to him,"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "but I don't know that there's a high"}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "probability he actually knew. On all the"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "things on that dude's list, the lowest"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "presidential approval ratings in"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "history."}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "In history. The lowest presidential"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "approval ratings ever. That dude's got a"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "whole lot of crap on his plate. And"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "maybe the Mara Largo raid didn't make"}, {"end": "01:02:52", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "the top of his sheet that day,"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "right? I mean, I've seen the"}, {"end": "01:02:54", "start": "01:02:52", "text": "presidential daily brief, the PDB that"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "they get every day. They don't get"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:54", "text": "through the PDB every day. Every they"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "can't"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "it's like 100 pages every single day,"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:03:02", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "About all the biggest threats facing"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "America."}, {"end": "01:03:06", "start": "01:03:02", "text": "The Marago rate is not a threat to"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "America, right? So even if it was in"}, {"end": "01:03:10", "start": "01:03:06", "text": "there buried under Iran and their"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "posturing about nuclear weapons and"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:10", "text": "North Korea launching a weapon and"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "what's going to happen in China right"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "now and what's Russia doing in Ukraine"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "and what's Syria looking like right now"}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "and what's going to happen in Yemen,"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "what's going to happen in in Libya. Like"}, {"end": "01:03:21", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "think about the headache the president"}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "has every day. It's one of the reasons"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "why no matter how you feel about Trump,"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "you got to respect the fact that he sat"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "in that seat for four years. That's"}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "everybody who takes that presidential"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "seat that is a massive s they age. Look"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:33", "text": "at what happened to Obama. Look at what"}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "happened to Bush. They age so fast"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "because that is a that is a [\u00a0__\u00a0] seat to"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "sit in."}]

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Like I know when I get super"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "hard on myself after I miss a shot or do"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "something like that, my performance goes"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "down. So you learn like one, you know,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "don't ever show your opponent that"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "you're doing that because that gives"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "them extra juice, right? So they're"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "fired up and also doesn't help your own."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "So you learn certain things like all"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "right, you can't I can't do this. You"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "know, I got to I can't like I can't"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "allow myself to do this unless I want my"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "performance to suffer. But for you who's"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "had not only experience but also"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "training like where do you where do you"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "start in helping someone's mental"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "architecture? Uh so there's the there's"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "the marketing answer and then there's"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "the real answer. Right. I'll start with"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "the real answer because you'll"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "understand the marketing answer right"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "away. The real answer is that I I start"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "the moment that I meet them because what"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "they say, how they say it, how they"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "communicate, it's all data. It's all"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "information that helps you understand"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "the person as they really are. 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That's why you have so"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "much ambition because no matter how"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "good, how successful, how how"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "accomplished you are, you're not as"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "accomplished as you could have been,"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "right? Right. So, it's that voice of our"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "parents or our our professors in our"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "head all the time."}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "So in between those two is where the"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "real first step happens because how"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "someone talks to you, how they how they"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "define their own problem statement,"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "whether they prefer to email or text or"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "phone call or video call or meet in"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "person, all of these are data points"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "that help you understand the person. Are"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "they an introvert? 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But"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "when it comes to the tenants that we try"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "to get people to teach, one of the most"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "important tenants that I try to get"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "anybody to understand is that"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "we whether you're a high performer or a"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "non-performer, we are all wired for"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "survival,"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "mentally, behaviorally, biologically."}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "The first most"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "imminent issue facing us is the issue of"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "surviving not thriving."}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "So when it comes to how we identify and"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "how we prioritize our resources, we're"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "all prioritizing our resources towards"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "survival first, not towards thriving"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "first. 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Do you know the"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "number of how many negative thoughts the"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "average person has in a day? No."}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "48,000 negative thoughts. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "48,000 negative thoughts in and"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "approximately 65ish thousand thoughts a"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "day. And of those 48,000 negative"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "thoughts, between 85 and 90% of them are"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "repetitive. Repetitive in the day,"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "repetitive day after day, repetitive"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "hour after hour, minute after minute."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "Right? I'm not good enough. I'm I need"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "to lose weight. Um, I'm gonna forget"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "this. Uh, this person doesn't like me."}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "Um, I'm a jerk. Thoughts a day after day"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "after day after day after day, right?"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "Just constantly playing in our heads."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "That gets amplified for high performers"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "because now high performers are adding"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "to their list of uh of I don't like my"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "beer belly and I'm never going to get a"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "date. Yeah. It's amplified to also I'm"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "never going to hit that goal. Yeah. Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "that's too ambitious. That's not"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "realistic enough. Right. I'm not"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "spending enough time with my kids. I'm"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "not spending enough time with my spouse."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "Who knows what, right? I'm getting"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "grayer in my beard. I'm getting grayer"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "in my hair. The the the amount of"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "negative thoughts is just"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "incredible. Empirically, all the effort"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "that goes into those negative thoughts"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "is actual caloric effort. Yeah. Because"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "the brain consumes an enormous amount of"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "energy. I think like the numbers are"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "like 40% of all available energy is"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "utilized by the brain. So that means the"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "banana you're eating is to fuel those"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "negative thoughts."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "How [\u00a0__\u00a0] up is that? Right. Yeah, for"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "sure. So, a big part of it is"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "understanding like, hey, your survival"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "is not at risk here. And once you show"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "people like, hey, your survival's not at"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "not imminently being threatened, right?"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "If you are an athlete and you don't"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "perform multiple games for multiple"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "weeks, then your survival might be at"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "risk. But if you have a bad game, if you"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "are called in like the like professional"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "footballers, uh, American footballers,"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "you're called in to kick the field goal"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "in the final minute. Yes, you are paid"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "to score the field goal, but if you miss"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "it, that doesn't mean it's the end of"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "your career. Right. Right. You miss it a"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "few times, it's a different story."}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "Right. So, it's about getting people to"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "take the energy that they're investing"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "into all the negativity, the anxiety,"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "the fear, the worry, the self-doubt, the"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "self-criticism. If you can take that"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "same energy and redirect it into"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "something positive or progressive,"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "increasing your risk tolerance is"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "something that we can actually"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "measure. Improving your bio"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "optimization, your heart rate, your your"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "lung capacity, your V2, etiologics that"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "we can actually measure. When you start"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "to change those things, it transforms"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "your entire outcome. It starts to make"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "it so you're not putting your effort"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "into survival, you're putting your"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "effort into thriving instead."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "Yeah. This draws me back to that issue"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "of faith as well. Because if you know"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "that your success or failure in this"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "personal avatar is relative and subject"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "to the world and sometimes random"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "chance, sometimes you get lucky,"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "sometimes you don't, sometimes you do"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "your best and it's not good enough and"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "etc. But if you actually have a"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "relationship with God where you know"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "like actually I'm right with God and no"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "matter what happens like that's the"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "thing that matters the most. You see a"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "lot of people in a in a deeper state of"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "peace, especially when that religion"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "doesn't have a lot of fear imprinted"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "where it's like, I might just be I might"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "be sinning right now. This thought that"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "I just had as this woman cross the"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "street, I'm a sinner now and I got to"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "go. There's there's obviously negativity"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "that can be associated with religion."}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "But a lot of people of faith, they have"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "this kind of mental resiliency that you"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "see because it's like win or lose the"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "game. like as long as your relationship"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "with God is is in the right place, you"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "actually feel okay. Let me give you a"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "case study on exactly what you're"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "saying. Do you know what state in the"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "United States has the most effective"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "uh what are they called? Um"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "telemarketers. What state in the United"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "States has the most effective"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "telemarketers, teles sales teams? No"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "idea. Utah."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "The Mormons. And they are Mormon. Now,"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "this case study is so powerful because"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "what is the biggest challenge for most"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "new entrepreneurs and most business"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "owners? Selling. Because even though"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "they believe in their product, even"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "though they believe that it can deliver"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "the outcome, they still feel slimy"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "making the sale. CIA believes that all"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "people are born with a spy secret"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "superpower. For some people, that means"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "they can win deals. For others, they can"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "spot liars. Some can even seduce lovers."}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "I built a free threeinut test to help"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "reveal to you exactly what your secret"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "hidden superpower is. All you have to do"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "is click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "of people. Right? Sales is not an easy"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "skill to just be born with. The idea of"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "having a conversation where you know"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "that the end goal of this conversation"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "is for them to give you money and you"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "have to eventually ask them to give you"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "money, that's a hard thing. And I can't"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "tell you how many entrepreneurs, even"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "seasoned CEOs, still feel guilty about"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "selling. Yeah. Right. So, we always go"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "back to this case study of the Mormons"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "in Utah. Well, what makes them so"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "effective? There is a tenant in the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Christian"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "faith"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "where God gives people spiritual gifts"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "and various spiritual gifts have"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "different elements of of human value to"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "them. Some spiritual gifts make you good"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "at caring for people. Some spiritual"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "gifts make you good at connecting with"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "people etc. But the idea is if you have"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "something that you believe in, something"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "that you believe would make the better"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "the world a better place. Something that"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "you believe would expand the kingdom."}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "Mhm. How could you not do everything in"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "your power to get that product out to as"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "many people as possible? Right. And if"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "you get the product out to those people"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "and they buy it, how could you possibly"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "feel guilty about it? Sure because"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "clearly it's ordained that that person"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "should have that product just like you"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "have been ordained to be the person who"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "carries forward and proitizes that"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "product. So that whole concept of it"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "being spiritual in nature is what makes"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "these telemarketing and teles sales"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "teams in Utah superpowered because they"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "don't carry any of the guilt. They don't"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "spend any calories feeling bad about"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "what they say what they sell. They don't"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "spend any calories about the person who"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "doesn't give them a chance to sell on"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "the phone, about the person who hangs up"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "on them right away because in instead"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "they're focused exclusively on, well,"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "that person wasn't ordained to have it."}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "That person wasn't ordained to have it."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "That person wasn't. My job is to find"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "the ordained person out there. And it"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "completely transforms the name of the"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "game for them."}]

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I am"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "actually seriously considering it now."}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "Um especially if I think you know if the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "sovereign debt crisis and the you know"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "the way that we just passed another the"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "big beautiful bills another three and a"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "half trillion added to the debt what"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "happens next in your view what happens"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "over the next five years"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": ">> in America"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": ">> it's a great it's a great question it's"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "the right kind of question to be asking"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "right so so um the stimulus intentions"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "behind the big beautiful bill are"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "mathematically sound, but they're only"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "mathematically sound for the short term."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Meaning, if we see a benefit, which we"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "should empirically, um, when you think"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "about the probabilities, we should see"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "interest rates drop, we should see more"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "people taking loans, we should see more"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "money spent. So, we should see an"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "economic benefit in the next 6 to 18"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "months."}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "But after that 18 to 24month window,"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "unless the economy has changed its"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "momentum,"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "we're going to be right back in the same"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "situation that we are now. Only now"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "we'll be in that situation with with"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "more inflation"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "with with less foreign investment and"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "with less of an appetite for people to"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "buy US debt."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:49", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Because they don't believe that US debt"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "is ever going to get paid off."}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": ">> Right. So, you can you can offer people"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "the highest um bond"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": ">> interest rates in the world and they're"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "not going to take it. Like, no one's"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "going to there's a reason none of us"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "invest in Venezuela even though it has"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "like a 28% yield"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": ">> because we don't believe it's going to"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "ever actually pay the yield. Right."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": ">> I always tell I always tell people"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "don't focus on the stock market. The"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "Venezuelan stock market is like"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "parabolically high. It just keeps going"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "to the moon because the currency is"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "worth"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "it's worth the what you wipe your ass"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "with. And already this year the US"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "dollar has lost 10% of its value. So"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "what do you think is going to happen"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "after another three trillion gets added"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "to the $37 trillion worth of debt? Yes,"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "there will be a lot of money in the"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "economy. People will still have jobs,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "but the money that you get is worth so"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "much less. and foreigners don't want it"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "anymore."}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": ">> Correct. So, and that's that's the big"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "thing that Americans need to understand"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "that if you live in America and you only"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "deal with American currency and you only"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "like deal with American customers and if"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "if America is you,"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "then you live in a little bubble and"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "anywhere that bubble floats, whether it"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "floats up or whether it floats down,"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "you're just along for the ride. For"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "anybody who has money and for anybody"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "who deals across international borders,"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "you have to understand that there's a"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "there's a larger currency game at play."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "And as the US dollar loses value, people"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "who have the US dollar try to get rid of"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "their US dollars to exchange it for a"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "currency that doesn't have so little"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "value. And every time somebody trades a"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "US dollar for a eur for a European euro"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "or for a Japanese yen, every time a US"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "dollar is traded for a foreign currency,"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "that US dollar loses even more value"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "because of supply and demand. There's so"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "much supply and so little demand, the"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "value of the dollar just keeps on"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "dropping. So to your original question,"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "what do the next five years look like? I"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "think we're looking for one to one and a"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "half years of positive increase where"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "the where inflation uh declines, the"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "economy is stimulated, maybe people even"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "buy a house or a car again and then"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "unless there has been a major shift in"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "our economy like a wartime economy,"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "right? If Russia prosecutes more war"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "across Europe, if China invades Taiwan,"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "if Israel decides to go head-to-head"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "with Iran again, though, it would take a"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "massive change like that to change our"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "economy. Because if if what Donald Trump"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "is trying to do is benefit from a"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "wartime economy without having the"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "United States be actively engaged in a"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "war, he understands that if we're"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "selling our weapons, our intel, if we're"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "giving training to foreign troops, we"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "don't have to worry about American"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "citizens dying, but we get all the"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "economic benefit of producing weapons,"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "selling weapons, selling maps, selling"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "intelligence, etc. renting our equipment"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "basically out to other governments and"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "taking loans and getting leases on the"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "area and territories that are being"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "destroyed. Somebody's going to rebuild"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Ukraine. Why wouldn't it be the United"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "States? Somebody's going to have to"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "rebuild Taiwan at some point. Why"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "wouldn't it be the United States? So the"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "so Trump is really playing this game of"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "can he stall a massive recession in"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "enough time to change the economic"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "engine so that the economy can bounce"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "back. For me, I don't think that's going"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "to happen. I don't think we're going to"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "see a bounce back that's strong enough,"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "which is just one more reason why I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "happy to take my company's money,"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": ">> convert it into foreign currency, and"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "live outside of the United States."}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": ">> Totally. And uh I mean, let's not forget"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "about gold. I mean for the last 10 years"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "but certainly since uh the Ukraine"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Russia war we'll call it a conflict uh"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "but it's a war the central banks have"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "been dumping US dollars and stockpiling"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "thousands of tons of gold uh every year"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "so that you know a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "speculate that what's coming will be"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "kind of a new uh monetary reset in the"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "global order. So the powers will sit"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "down and say, \"Okay, we are coming to"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "we're now going to back the US dollar is"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "no longer going to be what currency we"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "use to settle international trade. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "going to be gold because we can't trust"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "you You know, all you do is"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "create more of this thing, which is"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "printing US dollars and it's everybody"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "else.\" Um,"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "that being said, that being said, do you"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "I think about that's not going to be an"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "easy process. That doesn't Trump and the"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "powers that be in the central banks,"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "they're motivated to keep the ball going"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "as long as possible. They're not just"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "going to say, \"Hey, you guys, let's sit"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "down and discuss the new system about"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "how how the dollar is not going to be uh"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "the world's reserve currency anymore.\""}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "Nobody, nobody in our elite want that."}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "They'll do it because they have to do"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "it. Just the way. So I think about the"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "USSR"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "and I think about how at the end of the"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "Cold War"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "it was just that they were bankrupt and"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "and their top- down system"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "uh this this top you can call it"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "communism if you want but it was a top-"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "down bureaucracy was just so inefficient"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "and they spent so much on their military"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "buildup since the end of World War II"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "that Miguel Gorbachoff did something"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "heroic and he said you know What? We're"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "done. We're done. We're dissolving this."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Do you see that happening say in the"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "next 5 to 10 years? Like could could"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "something heroic like that happen in the"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "United States where somebody from our"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "generation or my generation, somebody"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "that wasn't uh you know didn't come of"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "age in the you know during the US empire"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "and the rise of the fiat bubble. Could"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "that happen to where we say, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "no more no more of this. We're gonna"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "back our money by something tangible"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "like gold or Bitcoin or whatever and no"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "more uh no more empire. We're going to"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "agree to this kind of new regional uh"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "multipolar world.\" Or is it going to"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "take something like a war and us for us"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "to become us to really fall to our knees"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "before that happens? So yeah, it's a"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "it's a great question. Here's what I"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "here's what I think is most likely. And"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "again, anything can happen, but what I"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "think is most likely is that we are we"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "are setting up for between five and 15"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "years of pain of just economic"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "geopolitical pain where the United"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "States has a very uh very ungraceful"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "fall from power and influence. It"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "doesn't mean that we are no longer the"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "only superpower. It just means that"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "people realize that the way we have"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "maintained our superpower strength is"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "through being the biggest bully on the"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "square. You know what I mean? And people"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "are going to stop wanting to do business"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "with us. They're going to want to start"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "to diversify away from the US dollar,"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "diversify away from US technology,"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "diversify away from US financial"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "markets, diversify away from US"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "diplomacy and diplomatic efforts. And"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "they're going to look for alternatives."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "But that's not going to happen"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "overnight. That's going to take time."}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "And I think what we saw with the first"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "Trump presidency is that Donald Trump,"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "if anything, his activities as president"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "has kind of act as a catalyst to prime"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "that pump."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": ">> People were thinking about it before,"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "but now they're taking much more active"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "steps to do it, right? And you're seeing"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "it all across Europe. You're seeing it"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "with NATO. You're seeing it in East"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "Asia. You're seeing it in Latin America."}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "people want to decouple from US"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "supremacy."}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "Now, the US is going to try to solve"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "that somehow. It's going to try to at"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "use tariffs to bully people back in"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "line. It's going to try to use uh, you"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "know, humanitarian aid to try to win"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "people's influence and love back. Like,"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "we're going to we're going to go through"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "this ungraceful decline where we where"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "we grasp and we try to get the pretty"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "girls attention again. And it's just not"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "going to work. I don't think that anyone"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "from my generation or your generation or"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "even the next generation is actually"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "going to be able to reset the way that"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "we do business, banking, currency, etc."}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "However, I do believe that it is"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "somebody from one of those three"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "generations who will set the set the"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "narrative in place that becomes like"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "tomorrow's next great movement. Whether"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "that next great movement is"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "cryptocurrency, whether that next great"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "movement is is bring us pegging us back"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "to gold, or whether it's something that"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "we've never even heard of, right? I"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "think there's a chance that somebody"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "will start the conversation in the next"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "30 years that will change the way the"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "United States works in the next 50"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "years. I'm just not optimistic that I"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "mean I you and I are going to sit on"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "rocking chairs with gray hair and and"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "knee replacements before we see a big"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "change in the United States."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": ">> So in other words, in the medium to"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "short the short to medium term, the next"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "5 to 10 years, it's not looking good."}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Yeah, it's going to hurt. It's going to"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "hurt everybody. And the people who have"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "a way of earning their own money outside"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "of US dollars or have a way of earning"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "their own money and then storing their"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "money outside of US dollars,"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": ">> those are going to be the people who are"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "affected the least. So if you understand"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "ETFs or if you have an offshore bank"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "account or if you open a business and"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "open a business bank account in a"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "foreign country that's that's got a more"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "stable currency like the Swiss Frank."}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "Even the euro right now is better"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "positioned for stability than the US"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "dollar, right?"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So, you're you"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "recommend it sounds like you recommend"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "like people What can people do? Well,"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "yeah. Try start your own business if you"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "can. Like really be your own man and"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "deal in dollars or wherever you're at."}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "deal in fiat and then yeah go to the"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "either the most stable fiat currency"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "which yeah probably the Swiss Frank or"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "for me like I I buy Bitcoin I put it in"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "Bitcoin or a lot of people buy gold real"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "estate whatever it is whatever the"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "government especially central banks"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "can't manipulate"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "you know"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": ">> that's basically it and it's you know"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "I'm not going to I'm not going to make a"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "personal recommendation I'm just going"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "to tell you what what my wealthy clients"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "do And what I do, and the name of the"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "game for the wealthiest people that I"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "know is diversification. You keep a"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "little bit of money in US dollars. You"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "keep a little bit of money in"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "cryptocurrency. You keep a little bit of"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "money in uh in different types of"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "American financial investment vehicles."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "You keep a different amount of money in"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "offshore bank accounts. And your goal is"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "that when any one of those five or seven"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "options really starts to tank, you flood"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "your money out of the thing that's"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "tanking into the thing that's working."}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": ">> So then everybody loses, but you limit"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "how much you lose."}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": ">> Whereas when you have all of your money"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "tied up in one American bank account,"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "you're when the US dollar goes under."}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": ">> Just like everybody who had all of their"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "money in a Venezuelan bank account in"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "the 1980s was as soon as the Venezuelan"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "dollar crashed or the Venezuelan peso"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "crashed, right? So, you've got to like"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "you've got to be prepared to diversify."}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "And if you're not going to diversify,"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "then you at least have to be able to"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "control the income that you make where"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "if you work harder, you make more. And"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "if you're doing a nineto-ive job for"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "some other you can't do that."}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "If anything, your nineto-ive job is a"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "slave job to the and whatever"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "they decide to pay you. They could call"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "you tomorrow and say, \"Hey, we're not"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "gonna pay you $11 an hour anymore. We're"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "gonna pay you $9 an hour.\" Or, \"We're"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "not gonna we're not gonna pay you as a"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "manager anymore. We're gonna make you a"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "supervisor.\" And what are you going to"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "do? You're going to quit and go find"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "another job in an economy that's"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "recessed and tanking with a US dollar"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "that's on the recession. Like, come on."}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "You're going to be You're gonna say"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "you're an but I'll take that"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "$11 an hour job and I'll just suck it"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "up. That's what you're going to say. And"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "that's that's how it the economy works."}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "The economy works on the people who"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "shape the economy and the people whose"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "lives are shaped by the economy."}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": ">> I think more likely it'll be uh"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "everybody has a job and hey, we're going"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "to you're not getting to make $11 an"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "hour anymore. You're going to make 25,"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "but that 25 buys you"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": ">> $9 worth of you know what I mean? Like"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "that's kind of it's going to be a it's"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "going to be a recession up. So, um, and"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "if you can, as what you're doing, you're"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "kind of you're kind of you're getting"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "out of dodge until things cool down."}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "Correct. So, uh, if anybody wants to"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "know kind of my personal recipe for"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "success, I plan I'm I'm starting I have"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "created a subsidiary business to go"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "along with my business. That subsidiary"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "business is based in Europe and it will"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "be a housing uh, a place to hold euros."}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "So, US dollars will be paid to the"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "foreign account as and then converted"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "into euros. And I'll pay all the right"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "conversion fees, but then my euros will"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "sit there stable as I get to see if the"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "dollar goes up or down. If I'm right and"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "we see the US dollar go up in value for"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "the next 18 months, I'm going to keep"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "buying euros because now I can buy even"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "more euros with a stronger US dollar."}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "And if in the future the US dollar"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "continues to rise, I'll cash out my"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "euros and buy US dollars again. But as"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "soon as my US dollars start to crash,"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "I'm going to have a reserve of a foreign"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "currency that I can use in I forget how"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "many states are in the EU right now or"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "how many countries are in the EU right"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "now, but"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": ">> it's a currency that's stable that might"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "fluctuate two or 3% but it's not"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "fluctuating, you know, 8 to 10%."}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:15", "text": ">> Right. Right. Um well hey look dude we"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "are uh that was that was uh that was"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "awesome. We appreciate your your take"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "and yeah things don't look good. Uh and"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "I think I don't know I it's pretty"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "fascinating though to think that there"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "is there could be a substantial"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "out migration of Americans"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "to different parts of the world just"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "like for centuries everybody was coming"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "here. Everybody wanted to come to if we"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "think about countries as clubs,"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "everybody wanted to come to our club."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "Now you're going to see so many"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "Americans going to Mexico City. You"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "already do, Europe, Portugal, these"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "places, uh perhaps places in Asia,"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "right? Um"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": ">> and I wouldn't say you're going to see"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "it, Johnny. I would say it's already"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "happening, right? the the rise of the"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "golden visa program about four or five"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "years ago was the beginning of it when"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "people would get golden visas to Dubai"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "or golden visas to the UAE, golden visas"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "to Saudi, golden visas to Portugal,"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "Spain, Italy, right? Those programs were"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "so popular that in the last two years"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "those countries have had to stop those"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "programs."}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:26", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": ">> CIA believes that all people are born"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "with a spy secret superpower. For some"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "people, that means they can win deals."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "For others, they can spot liars. Some"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "can even seduce lovers. I built a free"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "threeinut test to help reveal to you"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "of people. Think about this, man. Wow."}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "So many foreigners, mainly Americans. So"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "many Americans, flooded these countries"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "with with investment, with property"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "buying, with all the things that they"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "needed so that they could have a"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "diversified portfolio for where to live"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:11", "text": ">> so that they could have a second"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "passport."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": ">> So much money came in that it actually"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "created housing crisises in these other"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "countries. So then those countries had"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "to stop accepting people on the Golden"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "Visa program."}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": ">> Yeah. So we're the fact that we're"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "talking about this is not new news."}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": ">> The the difference is that it's only"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "been the option of the very very"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "wealthy. Thanks to COVID, we all realize"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "the benefit of remote work and digital"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "nomad businesses. So now it doesn't you"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "don't have to be a a decillionaire to be"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "able to live in a foreign country. You"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "can literally live in a foreign country"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "and make $12,000, you know, or $24,000 a"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "year"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": ">> and get a digital nomad visa and start"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "earning your money in a foreign currency"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "that's more stable than the US dollar."}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": ">> Totally. For me, it's like"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "it depends. If warp breaks out in the"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "Middle East, I'm looking at Uruguay,"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "dude. I'm looking at a place that nobody"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "gives a about and nobody will give a"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "about. That's where you got to go."}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "Mexico is not further enough further"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "enough south to to get out of the"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "nuclear blast zone. You know what I'm"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "saying? You got to go to a nice tucked"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "out of the way place with very very"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "limit limited government. And uh"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:29", "text": ">> you know I think it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "unfortunate but um"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:32", "text": ">> it's the reality."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": ">> It's the reality. It's the reality. Uh"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "and you Mr. XCIA agent certainly do live"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "in reality. I've hope you found some"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "religion since we spoke last. I hope"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "you've now found the Lord as I have. But"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "that's for another day. Uh Andy Bamonte,"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "can't can't wait for you to be in studio"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "with us uh in a few months. But please"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "uh plug your new book uh and tell us"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "what it's about, where they can get it,"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "and we're going to link to it in the"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "description of this episode, sir."}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:02", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. So, my my CIA spy"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "memoir has been blocked by CIA for the"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "last three years. Uh we finally"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "threatened them. We threatened them with"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "a first amendment lawsuit and that was"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "enough to get them to say yes. So going"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "back to you know your Diddy and"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "Epstein's like the the legal process in"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "the United States works out and you"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "can't block someone's first amendment"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "rights. So, our book Shadow Cell is the"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "ops memoir of my wife and I and our"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "operation um against to start basically"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "a brand new spy war and uh and execute a"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "new spy war on behalf of the United"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "States against multiple major aggressor"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "aggressors at the same time that CIA was"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "covering up a mole inside of CIA. So,"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "it's a story that nobody's heard before."}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "CIA has been trying to cover it up. They"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "successfully covered it up in the news"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "for a long time, but we finally get to"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "share all the details through our own"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "personal story, which is why we had the"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "ability to su to potentially sue on"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "First Amendment. So, you'll find it all"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "over the world. Um, in Europe, in the"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "UK, in Australia, in the US, it's it's a"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "global release with one of the top five"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "publishers in the world, Hashet. Uh, the"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "link is of course in the description"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "below, but you can also find it online"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "if you look up the words Shadow Cell."}]

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Well,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "not his links, his he was obviously a"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "working part and parcel with Gain"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Maxwell, but her father uh was a big"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "newspaper man. Can't remember his first"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "name now uh in Israel. And so obviously"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "there's rumors about his ties to the"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "MSAD uh and how they basically uh"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "recruited Epstein as a pawn I think in"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "the 70s or 80s uh and started using him"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "uh to yes get these powerful people"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "whether they be American politicians uh"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "dignitaries, business people, whoever uh"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "into yes these compromising situations"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "with minors."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "the worst of the worst, right? It used"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "to be homosexuals back when"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "homosexuality in the United States was"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "illegal and a taboo, but now it's it was"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "used obviously with underage girls. So,"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "uh what about that? Uh are are you aware"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "of the MSAD"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "and or the CIA collaborating with"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Epstein"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "uh to do this?"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "So, I don't know. I don't know any"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "concrete facts, but there's a couple of"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "things that make sense and a couple of"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "things that don't make sense when we"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "talk about the conspiracies that"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "surround Epstein, right? So, one of the"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "things that makes sense is that uh"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "Jeffrey Epstein and his network of"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "powerful people would be a wildly"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "attractive target set for a"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "sophisticated intelligence agency. And"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "we also know that the MSAD is a very"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "sophisticated intelligence agency. Now,"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "one of the things that doesn't make"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "sense though is that MSAD isn't really"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "interested in many threats other than"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "Iran. So, if MSAD was using Epstein as a"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "tool to collect intelligence, to collect"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "sexual exploitation intelligence"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "against Americans,"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "then that would essentially be Israel"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "collecting on the United States, which"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "is not unheard of. I want to make this"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "very clear because Israel has been"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "caught several times spying on the"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "United States. So, it's not it doesn't"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "make s it's not that it's illogical."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "It's not that it's nonsensical. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "not even that much of a stretch to think"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "that Israel would identify and spot a"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "guy like Epstein and then collect on him"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "actively"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "by encouraging, supporting, even"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "possibly uh uh engineering part of his"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "capabilities to collect and put people"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "in compromising situations. It wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "be beyond the stretch of what we've seen"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "MSAD do in the past. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "Now, CIA being a collaborator in that,"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "that's where it starts to become more of"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "a stretch because Epstein was a US"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "citizen and for the for CIA to cooperate"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "and collaborate with another US citizen"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "becomes a bureaucratic process. It"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "involves FBI, it involves Homeland"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "Security, it involves the the Department"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "of Justice and the and the Office of the"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "Executive, which is the president. It"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "just becomes an administrative"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "nightmare. So much so that it makes it"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "that much more plausible that a foreign"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "intelligence service would do it instead"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "because then that foreign intelligence"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "service could report to the United"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "States"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "anything that it found that might"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "benefit the relationship. Right? So now"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "if MSAD finds out that, you know, some"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "senior intern in the White House is"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "having hanky panky with a minor, they"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "can report that back to CIA and they can"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "CIA can pre prevent a flap before it"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "even occurs, right? And they can have"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "evidence that's submitted by a foreign"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "intelligence service and they can use"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "that to to seek legal retribution. So"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "there are certain elements there where"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "where it's plausible. It seems okay and"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "but it does I guess taking all that into"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "consideration it seems more plausible"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "that the MSAD would have their hands on"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "something this sensitive as opposed to"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "the CIA because if they are"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "collaborating with a US citizen that"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "would leak that has a more of a"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "potential to leak to the other bureaus"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "and have a blow up into being this"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "scandal whereas it doesn't sound like"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "the MSAD has to tell the DOJ or the FBI"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "that it's involved D uh that it's"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "flipped one of a US citizen and is is is"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "funneling all of these powerful people"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "onto his airplane. Right. They can it"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "allows for much more secrecy. Am I"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "getting that kind of right?"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "You're you're getting it exactly right."}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "So there's there's a couple of elements"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "here that make the spy game fun but also"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "make the spy game practical. So when it"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "comes to anything any kind of spying by"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "a US agency against a US citizen is very"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "very difficult especially in the post"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "Snowden day right where where justice"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "and and elements of the department of"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "justice are even more focused on"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "protecting American rights even than"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "they were before right we we're almost"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "more willing to risk a terrorist attack"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "now than we were in the past because"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "it's been so long since we've had a"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "terrorist attack on US soil so the the"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "those um duties and and flexibilities,"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "the authorities that used to exist just"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "don't exist anymore. 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So if MSAD is running"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "Epstein, they're collecting tons of"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "sexual exploitation secrets about"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "Epstein's network. Well, some of those"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "are valuable to the United States, but"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "most of those probably aren't. However,"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "the Russians, the Cubans, the Chinese,"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "the Pakistanis, the uh Afghans, the"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "Colombians, cartel members in Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "for them, those little nuggets that the"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "United States may not be interested in"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "are super valuable to them, right?"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "Are you telling the Assad, Are you"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "telling me the MSAD would actually sell"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "these exploitation secrets to Colombian"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "drug cartels or to Russia? Will they"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "actually sell these secrets to Russia?"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "That's how the intelligence world works."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "I mean, the United States does it, too."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "We trade and we bargain and we sell the"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "secrets that we have on other countries"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "so that we can make stronger alliances"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "so that we can feed what's known as"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "malin information. Everybody,"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "everybody's heard of misinformation and"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "disinformation, right? But"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "malinformation is called malicious"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "information. It's facts that are"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "delivered with malicious intent. So you"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "can deliver malicious information about"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "let's say your political opponent and"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "that becomes a very valuable secret."}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Hey, your new incumbent prime minister"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "is having sex with a minor. Wouldn't you"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "love to have this intel from us? We'll"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "give it to you if"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "if you promise that when you win the"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "election, you'll give us access to your"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "telephone records. Oh, well that's a"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "good deal. So now we'll trade you"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "secrets in exchange for access to your"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "sensitive networks."}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "Wow. Wow. Now, on the flip side of all"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "this kind of what we're saying is"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "well, look, I guess we'll never really"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "know because they refuse to to reveal"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "who the victims are and therefore who"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "who are the other people involved in the"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "abuse of these children. Right? Unless"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "you're going to take what they say at"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "face value that it was just Jeffrey"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Epstein in these thousands of of"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "pictures and videos with all of these"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "victims, even though he has hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "people in his flight log, many of them"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "scumbags. The the the public at large"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "just don't believe it. That's that's"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "pretty obvious. Uh but the other side of"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "this could be that"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "conspiracy theories mostly are just"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "that. uh hype, hyperbole, overblown."}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "Most conspiracy theories that are true"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "usually come to light, especially when"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "it comes to, you know, the history of"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "intelligence agencies. You know, I just"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "watched, uh, the movie Barry, about"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "Barry Seal, uh, you know, with Tom Cruz"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "about his collaboration with the CIA,"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "uh, funneling weapons, uh, from to to"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "the, you know, the Contra rebels of"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "Nicaragua, etc., etc. it all comes out,"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "even if it takes decades. So, could this"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "just be like what are the chances this"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "just isn't a conspiracy? That this was a"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "guy, a per perverted, you know, uh uh"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "rich socialite who also had his his his"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "paws on all of these powerful people"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "because he had access to all this"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "capital that he could give them, you"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "know, give Bill Gates for uh you know,"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "some research project. Yeah. cuz Bill"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "Gates needs your money. Uh or whatever,"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "right? Like what are the And they were"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "just they happened to come party at his"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "island and he was just himself a lone"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "wolf, you know, abusing children. Like"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "what are the odds that like that's also"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "true?"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "What do you think? So there's the I am"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "not one to subscribe to conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "because as a professional we are trained"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "how to identify"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "what is hidden fact versus what is"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "essentially just uh uh unknown or lost"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "facts. Right? So I say that because"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "when you're dealing with a conspiracy,"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "you're right. Conspiracies by and large"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "can't be trusted because all a"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "conspiracy is is a series of events with"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "missing facts. And then in order to"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "because the human brain doesn't like to"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "have this open loop. It doesn't like to"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "not know what's happening. It closes the"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "loop with this fictitious story. And now"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "you have a conspiracy. And that's why"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "one fictitious story or that's why one"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "gap in knowledge can have several"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "different conflicting conspiracies like"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "JFK, right? or Area 51, there's a gap in"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "knowledge, but multiple different"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "conspiracies fill in that gap in"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "knowledge, and nobody really knows what"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "the answer is. But I will also say that"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "when you mix a gap in knowledge with a"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "classified a classified government"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "agency, when you mix those two things"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "together,"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "it's less likely to just be conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "because the facts are out there, but"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "they're not being shared. So it it it"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "forces you to ask the question, why? Why"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "would you not share a fact if it isn't"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "directly implicated in national"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "security? If it is a direct if it does"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "have direct ramification on our rights"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "and privileges as US citizens, why"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "wouldn't you share that secret?"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "Right? Why do the JFK files continue to"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "be classified, continue to be hidden?"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "Why do the Epstein files continue to be"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "classified, continue to be hidden from"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "the public unless there's information in"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "those files that absolutely does pertain"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "to national security or absolutely does"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "pertain to some sort of government"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "protection that's that's intentionally"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "being covered up. That's that's kind of"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "the requirement in order to keep a"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "secret. It has to have ramifications in"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "those two areas. So whatever the"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "spokespeople for the government say,"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "they're not saying the truth because at"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "one and you know kind of out of one side"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "of their mouth they're saying don't"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "worry but out of the other side of their"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "mouth they're saying but we're still not"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "going to tell you and they know but they"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "won't share it. So why? What's so"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "sensitive that you can't share it?"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "Well with JFK that's baffling because"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "everybody's dead. Everybody's been dead"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "for like 20 years that could have been"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "involved in in the killing uh easily,"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "right? This happened over 60 years ago."}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "You could argue that in the Epstein list"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "there contains names of Donald Trump who"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "is the president. And to have that leak,"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "to have it leaked that uh perhaps he's"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "in photos with Jeff Jeffrey Epstein"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "posing with minors the way that Prince"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "Andrew was, or even worse, sex with a"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "minor or, you know, even if it's not"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "Trump, somebody high up in the"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "government that then leaves to expose"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "that leaves the country vulnerable to"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "chaos, implosion, right? So, so, so you"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "could justify it however, however way"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "you want. That that's maybe what they"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "tell themselves. And so that's"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "and and this is important for people to"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "understand. The United States government"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "has it's it's a protective privilege"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "that if they have information that would"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "cause a public panic, they do not have"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "to share that information. Right? So if"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "missiles were inbound from Russia right"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "now and they and the US government"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "determined that it would cause a panic,"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "which would mean it would create"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "instability and create chaos, causing"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "death and harm to innocent civilians,"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "the United States government could say,"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "\"Never mind those lights in the sky."}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "There's nothing happening.\" Like, they"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "have the right to say that to us because"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "it's it's this whole idea of protecting"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "the whole. And that's that's how our"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "constitution was built, right? were"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "supposed to be able to protect the"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "institution of the United States first"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "and foremost, even above individuals."}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Well, I'm sure there's a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "who would argue that, but for for in"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "practice, you're absolutely right."}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "CIA believes that all people are born"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "with a spy secret superpower. For some"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "people, that means they can win deals."}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "For others, they can spot liars. Some"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "can even seduce lovers. I built a free"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "threeinut test to help reveal to you"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "of people."}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "Um, it's almost like this is the JFK of"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "our time, these Epstein files. Would you"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "not agree?"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "I mean, it could be. There's there's"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "huge differences, right? JFK was the"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "president of the United States. He was"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "assassinated in public on television."}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "People watched it happen. Like it was"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "absolutely earthshattering at the time"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "that it occurred. Where Epstein is kind"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "of like a marginal character uh very"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "intensely followed because of the"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "mystery afterwards. Um let's also be"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "honest, Johnny, like we live in a"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "country that doesn't really care that"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "much about crime. We really don't. We"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "do, but we don't. As soon as Russia"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "invades Ukraine, we don't really care"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "about crime anymore. And as soon as like"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "there's a new reality TV show about old"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "people and young people hooking up on a"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "beach, we kind of don't care about crime"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "anymore. But cartels have been around,"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "sexual exploitation operations have been"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "around, drug use has been around, people"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "have been disappearing for a long time,"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "right? It's just"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "there are pockets of people who have an"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "intense interest and then there's larger"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "pockets of people who are distractable."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "So, it's easy to change the subject in"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "the headlines."}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "Well, I do think that this has now"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "gained enough traction. I I think this"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "is yet another betrayal of, you know,"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "the MAGA promises just like uh the"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "continued wars overseas"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "uh and the spending bill that just"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "passed. Uh but anyways, that's just"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "that's just how I see it. Um, and I"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "definitely, you know, I just personally"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "I don't think the powers that be give a"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "I think they know the implosion is"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "coming. Uh, and they're just trying to"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "grab the as the house is on fire."}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "They're trying to grab all the china and"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "the silver they can uh before they have"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "to flee the house. But"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "well, the violation I mean the violation"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "of MAGA promises shouldn't be a surprise"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "to anyone because because presidents"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "don't keep their promises. Let's let's"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "just look at the track record from Biden"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "to Obama, etc. Biden promised that Saudi"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Arabia would be brought to justice."}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "Never happened. Obama promised to like"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "bridge the gap between sides. Never"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "happened. Donald Trump had all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "promises in the first term that he"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "totally backfired on. And now, you know,"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "whatever. I mean, he and Elon Musk were"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "best friends until they weren't best"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "friends. So, we we can't if we as"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Americans are still counting on our"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "politicians, our presidents to keep"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "their promises, we are we are just as"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "stupid as they think we are. What we"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "need to do is we need to start asking"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "ourselves, how do we get into a practice"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "of electing people into office that"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "actually represent us"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "rather than people who represent"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "themselves, their own interests or some"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "special interest group. How do we get"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "out of the cycle of the celebrity"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "politician that we have gotten into?"}]

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Cuz I imagine I'd become"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "like this spengali kind of character."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "When you start training with CIA, they"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "teach you that human psychology is"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "really just a series of frameworks."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "First, human psychology is consistent"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "from human being to human being across"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "gender divides, across educational"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "divides, across language divides. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "just like what motivates you motivates a"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "95year-old Chinese man who lives in the"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "hinterlands of China, right? You're"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "we're not that different because"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "organically"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "our brains are the same. They're made of"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "the same components, the same pink"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "matter, gray matter, and white matter."}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "Like they they have the same five"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "sensory organs. They have the same"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "approximate lifespan. They're built on"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "the same calories that come in and"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "they're basil on the same core"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "nutritional value. We're not that"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "different,"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "but we always like we're we overlook the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "similarities because we're so focused on"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "what differentiates us. Part of that is"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "because human beings evolutionarily"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "are still trying to survive. So we're"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "still constantly scanning for threats."}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "So when we see a new language or"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "somebody who's younger or older or"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "somebody who has a different appendage"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "between their legs, we see a threat. So"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "then we respond like we're responding to"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "a threat instead of seeing the"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "similarities and recognizing the common"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "the commonality between us. So CIA"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "teaches us to push aside the threat"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "vector assessment. It's still there, but"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "now it's more objective. It's more how"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "is this person a threat? And when you"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "understand how they're a threat, you can"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "focus more of your cognitive resources"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "into winning their cooperation or what"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "we call winning their compliance."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "Winning their compliance. There's a"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "recipe to it. I'll take a break in case"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "you want to hear the recipe."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": ">> Oh, no. No. I need the recipe."}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": ">> I need the What do you mean in case I"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "want to hear the recipe?"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": ">> I need the recipe."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": ">> So, the there's there's two parts to the"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "recipe. The first part about winning"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "someone's compliance is understanding"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "what motivates them. All human beings"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "are motivated by the same four"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "categories of motivational levers. It's"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "an acronym that we call rice. R I C."}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "That acronym stands for reward,"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "ideology, coercion, and ego."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": ">> so all people everywhere are susceptible"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "to the same motivating factors. Do I get"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "something? That's a reward. Do I believe"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "something? That's an ideology. Do I feel"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "a negative consequence to something?"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "That's coercion."}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Deterrent. Got it."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": ">> And how do I feel about myself? That's"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "ego. So, we're all just giant machines"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "that run on these four levers all the"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "time, right? That's the first component"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "of getting compliance. The second"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "component,"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": ">> I'm seeing so many parallels with regard"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "to tribalism in parenting. I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "wait a minute."}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": ">> Marriage, hiring and firing, building a"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "business, leadership, followership, it"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "all boils down to these four levers,"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:10", "text": ">> right? Okay."}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": ">> The second component is something we"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "call sensemaking. Sensemaking is how you"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "make sense of a relationship and that"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "sense making piece has three steps. The"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "first step is is essentially discovery"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "uh realizing something exists. The"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "second step is competition where you"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "compete for resources, attention,"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "dominance and then the third step is"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "compliance. So when you understand"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "someone's motivational levers and then"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "you understand how to make how to drive"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "how they make sense of the situation,"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "how they make sense of the relationship,"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "you get to a place where they become"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "compliant with your will and compliant"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "with your goals and compliant with your"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "direction. Okay, hold on. So question"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "for you. When I look at people who see"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "the world differently, I'm trying to"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "understand it. So, for example,"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "in Los Angeles, you've got the ICE"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "riots. Okay? Now, my brother is like,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "\"These monsters are teargassing grandmas"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "and are handcuffing children.\""}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "And my mother sees the exact same thing."}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "My wife sees rapists and gang members"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "and drug dealers that Donald Trump is"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "trying to remove from the country."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "It is impossible for me to get these two"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "sides to like get"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "I can't get beyond the ideology."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "And when you can't get beyond the"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "ideology,"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "it's it's very difficult difficult to"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "unless you validate it. And by the way,"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "Andrew, I've tried. Okay, so I'll give"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "you an example. I've tried these"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "techniques and I've tried to say like, I"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "see your point here. Look them in the"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "eye. I repeat the point so they know"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "they've been hurt. I build that karmic"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "debt up there, right? Like Dale Carnegie"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "says. And I see your concern here. I"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "validate your feelings here. But, you"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "know, are you able to see that maybe"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "Kilar BGO Garcia is a bad guy? Like, are"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "you maybe to able to see the fact that,"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "you know, people that are not good guys"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "came across the border? And I can't get"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "through that ideology. So it's"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": ">> how are you doing that?"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": ">> Part of it's because you're you're"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "trying to combat ideology with logic and"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "they're two different things, right? The"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "if you just look at the brain, the brain"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "has two hemispheres. It has a left and a"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "right hemisphere. The left brain is your"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "logical brain. The right brain is your"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "emotional brain. So when you do exactly"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "what you're doing, you're doing the"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "right first step, validating and"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "building what we call social capital,"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "what Dale Carnegie calls karmic,"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": ">> whatever the heck it's called. I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "probably but butchering it. I read the"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "book a long time ago, but I remember it."}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "It's like you got to put some deposits"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "in the bank there,"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:55", "text": ">> right? It's building rapport."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:57", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:57", "text": ">> Or what we call social capital, an"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "actual exchange of rapport."}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:00", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:01", "text": ">> So, you're approaching them"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "ideologically."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "What you're failing to to consider is"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "that their ideology is tied to their"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "survival instinct. They can't abandon"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "their ideology or else that's the"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "equivalent of abandoning their survival."}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "Wow. So instead, what you what the the"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "technique that we use, it's it's two or"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "three steps advanced, but to to get to"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "your exact example, the technique is you"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "have to make the problem their problem."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "I hear you. I validate your feelings. I"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "validate your emotions. I can totally"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "understand how you're feeling about"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "this. What do you think they should do?"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "What do you think they should do in this"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "instance when there's, you know, a drug"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "smuggler or a child uh smuggler that's"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "also taking advantage of the system? How"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "would you solve it?"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. So, here's first thing is"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "like my brother is now living in a place"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "where he was affected by those riots."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "But his answer was it's not that you"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "know ICE or or the fact that we've let"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "chaos you know rule in California. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "Trump's fault. Right?"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": ">> So, he's the go-to. And I I don't think"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "Donald Trump is perfect. Trust me."}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "However, in this particular instance, I"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "don't believe it was Donald Trump's"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "fault. We've seen this again and again"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "and again and again again in California."}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "So, okay, what do you think they should"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "do now? They they will either say Kil"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Margo Garcia is not he's a Maryland man."}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "He's a dad. He's got the tattoos. He's"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "got this. He's got that. I don't believe"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "it. There's It's like you can't break"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "through that. You can pres Okay, there's"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "I get it. There's the logic piece."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "That's fair. What do you think we should"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "do? And they will often say not this."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "Like I watched I watched Bosam Yousef"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "debating uh Israel and Gaza and the guys"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "on trigonometry said okay great Israel"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "is not perfect what do we do not this"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:53", "text": ">> but they don't"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:54", "text": ">> answer the question they"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:55", "text": ">> no correct"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:56", "text": ">> so are you supposed to fill in that"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "answer"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": ">> well what's what you're running into is"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "you're starting to see the the limits of"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "what they have critically thought"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "through and this is important it's it's"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "I'm going to make an unsettling parallel"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "for you but you're going to understand"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "it Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Have you ever asked yourself the"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "question, how do you make a terrorist?"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:14", "text": ">> How do you take a person"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Okay, I have an idea."}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:17", "text": ">> Who's 5 years old and playing soccer"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "with their friends?"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": ">> How do you turn that person into a"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "25-year-old who puts a bomb on their"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "chest and blows up a bunch of other kids"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "who are 5 years old playing soccer?"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": ">> Three ideas. Okay. Number one, you take"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "something from them very young, like you"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "kill their parents or their brother dies"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "in a bomb raid from the US or something"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "like that. Uh, for example, I was told"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "that the Pulse nightclub in Florida, the"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "guy that shot everybody up, got on the"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "phone and was saying, \"You got to stop"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "the bomb raids.\" I believe it was in"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "Syria. So, okay, maybe it's that the the"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "brainwashing of these guys are other,"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "these guys are bad, these guys are the"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "devil. Um, and the third thing I would"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "guess is I wrote a book about"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "building cults and the promise of like a"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "hundred virgins in heaven waiting for"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "you. Oh, so reward."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> that's the reward piece of it. Yep."}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": ">> Where's the deterrent part though?"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:17", "text": ">> So, so I love that your instincts took"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "you towards a systematic approach cuz"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "the first thing you said for everybody"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "watching, we know this. I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "you caught this. The first thing you"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "said was you take something away from"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "them."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Oh god. Yeah, I got it."}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": ">> So if if the first step is a a"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "predictable input, guess what you can"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "do? You can control that. Now if I want"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "to turn these five kids into terrorists"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "but not those five kids, I just have to"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "take something away from these five"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "kids."}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": ">> So it's systematic. Now it's something"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "that's in business terms scalable."}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Oh my god, Andrew."}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": ">> So what what the system is called a"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "radicalization ladder. And the reason"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "I'm telling you this is because the"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "first step in a radicalization ladder is"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "there has to be an injustice that is"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "committed. CIA believes that all people"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "are born with a spy secret superpower."}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "For some people that means they can win"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "deals. For others they can spot liars."}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "Some can even seduce lovers. I built a"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "free 3inut test to help reveal to you"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "of people. The second step in the"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "radicalization ladder is that that"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "injustice has to be validated"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": ">> by a separate source. Well, what the is"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "happening with these riots right now in"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "LA, an injustice has happened. There are"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "people who are validating that injustice"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "from outside. There are Americans who"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "are on the radicalization ladder. And"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "when you really think about it, the most"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "radical left and the most radical right"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "aren't that different from the same"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "radicalization process that terrorists"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "put junior terrorists through to"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "ultimately develop a 25-year-old who"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "will wear a bomb on their chest. Let's"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "all remember what just happened with"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Luigi Manion."}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "What is he, if he is not simply a"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "radicalized person who essentially put a"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "bomb on his chest and went out there to"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "kill somebody and now he's on trial"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "making $25,000 in donations to try to,"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "you know, because people believe that he"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "did the right thing. Who are the people"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "that are giving him money? Other people"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "who have been radicalized through this"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "systematic process that we know exists,"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "but we don't really distribute publicly."}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "Why are we Gosh, I started this out"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "wondering how I get a job and how I"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "groom my, you know, how I get the people"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "on my team to work harder for the"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "company or how I win arguments with my"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "wife and my brother and my mother. But"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "now"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "you you've taken you this has taken a"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "bit of a turn because we are raising"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "radicals here and I don't relate to this"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "and and and while people could say, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "this has gone on throughout history and"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "throughout the history of our country."}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "It's just how you're framing it.\" I"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "don't remember feeling anti-American at"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "any point in my youth, right?"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Or any of my friends feeling"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "anti-American. And"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "It seems that the consensus, and correct"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "me if I'm wrong, is that it's like, I"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "have uncovered"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "that America purports to be the good"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "guy,"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": ">> but we're really the bad guy."}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": ">> You just nailed it. You just nailed it."}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "And that's such an uncomfortable truth"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "that when faced with that truth, our"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "survival instinct"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "rejects it. Our survival instinct is"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "like, \"No, no, no, that can't be right.\""}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "Like, there must be some other some"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "other response. So there's this"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "cognitive dissonance that happens in our"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "brain to keep us alive that says, \"I've"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "always believed this. Now I see this"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "irrefutable fact. I can't refute it. So"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "therefore, I'm just going to erase it"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "from the memory banks and fall back on"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "what I believe.\" We have done that as"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "Americans since World War II. I I I"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "understand that people will disagree"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "with me. I understand that that this"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "makes me sound unamerican in some"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "circles. America's geopolitical strategy"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "since the end of World War II has been"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "to become the biggest bully on the"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "block. After World War II, we were a"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "strong economy. We were driving and"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "building new innovation. What was Europe"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "doing?"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "Just"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:26", "text": ">> rebuilding."}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": ">> Rebuilding. They had no money. They had"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "no infrastructure. All of their men had"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "been killed. All of their like children"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "had been traumatized. So who actually"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "rebuilt Europe?"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:35", "text": ">> We did."}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:36", "text": ">> Who rebuilt Japan?"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:38", "text": ">> We did. You know, the Japanese culture"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "right now is a workaholic culture. They"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "work 12 hour, 15, 16 hour days. They"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "smoke to stay awake. They booze"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "themselves at night. Who created that"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "culture?"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:47", "text": ">> We did."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": ">> We did. Germany is trying to rebuild an"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "army right now so that they can take a"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "larger role in NATO. If you think about"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "that, right? We have we have put so much"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "pressure on NATO for so long that now"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "their conclusion to how they separate,"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "they decouple from the United States is"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "to let Germany create the biggest,"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "strongest army. Not France, not Spain,"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "not any, not Poland, not anybody else."}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "Germanyy's like, \"We'll do it.\" Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "that's a great idea, right? How many"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "global wars have started when Germany"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "had a large successful army? Not saying"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "that they're still Nazi, but World War"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "II wasn't a war against the Nazis, or"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "World War I wasn't a war against the"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "Nazis. But you see this pattern erupt,"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "When America isn't the dominant power,"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "somebody else becomes a dominant power."}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "Why is China on the rise? This will be"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "my last point, Julian."}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:38", "text": ">> No, no, please. No, no, no, no. Keep"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "like go where it's going to go."}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": ">> China's forget it."}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": ">> China's on the rise because they are"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "emulating America's process. Nobody else"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "has emulated our process. The reason"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "we're in such such conflict with China"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "is because we at a government level"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "realize that that's what they're doing."}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "Their belt and road initiative"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "rebuilding the third world is exactly"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "what we did after World War II. Their"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "competition for technology to create an"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "alternative. What are they creating an"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "alternative to?"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": ">> American technology because they know"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "that all over the world everybody is"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "reliant on the US dollar. Everybody's"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "reliant on American technology."}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "Everybody's rel everybody's relevant uh"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "dependent on American IP. So, China"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "knows that if they can steal our IP,"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "copy our IP or create a comp a"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "competitor to our IP, they can offer"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "that solution all over the world at a"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "discounted rate, especially if they"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "offered at a discounted rate with"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "built-in back doors that let them take"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "control of it."}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:37", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": ">> cuz guess who did that first?"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": ">> We did. You know, I read a whole book"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "called Confessions of an Economic"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "Hitman, and in the latest edition of it,"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "it talks about how China is running that"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "playbook now."}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:50", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": ">> And they go into the developed world,"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "and they promise to develop the"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "infrastructure so they can harness their"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "resources. And then essentially, the"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "banks go in and say, \"We gave you this"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "loan to harness your whatever minerals,"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "farmland, oil, whatever it might be, and"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "you can't pay it. So now we're going to"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "have to take that from you and that was"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "what this guy did like over the decades"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "and now"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:16", "text": ">> China's doing."}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": ">> And here's what's really wild."}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "We were blind, completely blind to the"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "fact that we were we were being copied,"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "emulated, and strategically"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "outmaneuvered until CO 19. COVID 19 was"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "the day that we all woke up and saw the"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "the geopolitical landscape for what it"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "was. When everybody shut down,"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "specifically when China shut down and"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "everybody else's economies came to a"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "grinding halt, that was the first time"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "that the world kind of was like, \"Wait a"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "second."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "Everything comes through China. Raw"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "materials come from Australia, but"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "they're refined in China,"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": ">> Uh disposable goods are are manufactured"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "in China.\" Like we started to see how"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "everything goes through this this hub"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "and spoke model through China. How in"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "the did China create that hub and spoke"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "model because the United States was"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "doing what from 2001 to 2023?"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": ">> Fighting in the Middle East."}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": ">> We were distracted. And while we were"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "distracted, they didn't fight in the"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "global war on terror. They just took our"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "playbook and started running it. And"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "they started buying land and they"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "started buying mineral rights and they"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "started developing technology and they"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "were stealing technology but we didn't"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "care that they were stealing technology"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "because we hading radicals that we had"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "to take care of right so we were"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "completely caught with our pants down"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "for 23 years 23 modern years right and"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "China that's how China skipped the whole"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "phase of having landlines think about"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "that the United States is covered with"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "landbased telephone lines China skipped"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "that phase altogether they just went"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "straight to cellular How did they do"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "that? From us. They copied it from us."}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "And then they built their own"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "telecommunications infrastructure based"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "off of us. Built their own satellites"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "based off of us. We all to a certain"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "extent we all understand there's that"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "China just copies us. But why why do"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "they copy us? They copy us because they"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "know that our works. Our strategies, our"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "plans, our procedures, our frameworks,"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "it works. They don't have to be better"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "than us because once they get as good or"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "even almost as good as us, think about"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "how much we've had to decline to get to"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "the place where we're equal,"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:28", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:28", "text": ">> It's not just them coming up to our"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "level."}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": ">> It's us falling apart."}]

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Now what you're talking about"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "is emotional mirroring. that there's a"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "nuance there because"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "you have to know when to mirror"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "appropriately because if if you're"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "mirroring somebody else and they know"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "that you're mirroring them, then"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "subconsciously they feel like they're in"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "control."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Okay. Interesting."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "So, what you need to do is you need to"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "mirror just enough to get to the place"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "where you can get them to mirror you."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "when they mirror you subconsciously they"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "know that you're in control."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "So once you are in a position of power"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "or control in a conversation then you"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "can use the ploy of feain vulnerability"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "which I wouldn't quite use it the same"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "way you did. I wouldn't make up"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "something vulnerable. 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So instead of saying something"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "that's a fake vulnerability, you would"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "say something that's a real"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "vulnerability that may not be applicable"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "to you. Like perhaps you say something"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "like, you know, I I have been having"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "massive arguments with my wife recently"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "and sometimes it makes me just want to"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "leave home. That's real. That's not"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "saying I'm going to leave home. It's not"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "saying what I'm arguing about, but if I"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "believe that in your secret life, you"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "are also fighting with your wife and"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "you're living in a different room and"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "you're not telling anybody about it, I"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "want to show some sort of bridge between"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "us that gets you to admit that to me."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "Because if you can admit that to me,"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "maybe I can find out more about what"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "you're doing to cope with the fact that"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "your marriage is falling apart. Maybe"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "you have a girlfriend, maybe you're on"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "Tinder, maybe you're doing something"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "else, right? Maybe you're drinking,"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "maybe you're doing drugs, I don't know,"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "but I need you to let me into that"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "secret life. So, I'm going to present a"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "window and see if you go through that"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "window."}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "So, say that I was the asset and you"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "were the CIA agent. You have more"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "experience in that role than I do. Um,"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "and I was sat in a bar and I said to"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "you, \"Yeah, God, this week's been really"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "hard at home cuz my wife, she's she's"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "annoying me.\" What What And you were"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "trying to get into my secret life. How"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "might you maneuver from there?"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "Right. So there's a the basic principle"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "here that we would use is called the two"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "and one combination. So two means two"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "questions and one means one"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "confirmation. So when you present to me"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "a topic that I want to explore further,"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "the most rudimentary of techniques out"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "there is you present to me a topic I"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "want to explore. So I ask a follow-on"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "question. You will answer my follow-on"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "question because you're predisposed"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "to answer my question. I will ask"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "another follow-on question. You'll be"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "predisposed to answer that as well. And"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "then I'll say something that confirms"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "what you're saying. That way, it doesn't"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "feel like you're being interrogated."}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "Instead, it feels like you're talking to"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "somebody who gets you."}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "So, I'll confirm what you say. Like, oh"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "yeah, I mean, I had a girlfriend once"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "and her feet stank so bad and man, it"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "just made me want to like sleep with her"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "feet outside of the covers. M"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "and then you just stop there because"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "you've asked two follow-on questions and"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "one confirming statement. The psychology"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "of the other person is going to be to"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "continue volunteering information. And"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "then you just repeat the cycle. So they"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "give you another piece of information."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "You follow follow-up question, follow-up"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "question, confirmation, follow-up"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "question, follow-up question,"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "confirmation. To you, it feels"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "formulaic. Listen, ask a follow-up"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "question. Listen, ask a follow-up"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "question. To them, it feels like they"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "are talking to somebody who really,"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "really cares. Just put yourself in the"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "shoes. Practice a little perspective"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "here. Imagine if you really were talking"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "about something that was frustrating you"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "and the person sitting next to you at"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "the bar literally didn't do anything"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "other than ask you follow-up questions"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "and agree with you. You're going to feel"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "like, you get me, man. Why can't my wife"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "get me like you get me? Like, you know"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "what I'm talking about. I completely"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "agree with you, man. Tell me more. Oh,"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "dude. And then and you can see how we'll"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "just human beings just fall right into"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "the groove."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "The parallel here to business, but also"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "the sort of transferable skills here are"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "quite clear. From what I heard, when I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "doing an interview, when I'm meeting a"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "candidate for a job, um, when I'm trying"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "to sell to a client, really, my"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "disposition should be to be doing"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "exactly what you said, asking them"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "questions, confirming, asking them"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "questions, and confirming."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "Right? If you think about it,"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "everybody's in a in a contest for"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "control. Who controls a conversation?"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "The person asking the questions or the"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "person saying the most words? It's"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "always the person asking the questions."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "Because the person asking the questions"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "determines the direction of the"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "conversation."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "It feels the other way around, though."}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "It feels like the person speaking the"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "most has the most control."}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "And what did I tell you about feelings?"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "Don't trust them. Don't trust your gut."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "Don't trust your emotions, right? It"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "feels like the person talking the most"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "is the person in control. It is not. It"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "is not. The person asking the questions"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "is in control. Think about this"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "interview right now. I will answer"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "whatever question you bring up next. If"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "I don't answer the next question you"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "bring up, I will feel awkward"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "because you and I both know who's in"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "control of this conversation, even"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "though I'm the one saying the most"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "words."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "Interesting."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "the the implications of this in sales,"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "human resourcing, marketing,"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "advertising,"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "it it's it's the reason my company has"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "grown 300% every year for the last three"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "years. It's because the human condition"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "is so predictable. People just want to"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "feel heard. They want to feel listened"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "to and they want to feel validated. You"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "can automate that. You can automate the"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "process that makes people feel heard,"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "confirmed, and validated. You can"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "automate it and then they will sell"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "themselves. That's how that's really"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "good digital marketing. That's how it"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "works. Really good direct sales. That's"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "how it work. That's how it works. Really"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "good salesmen have already learned this."}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "Real good salesmen understand that it's"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "all about getting a lead to talk about"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "themselves as quickly as possible. And"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "then once they start talking about"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "themselves, you just ask questions. Let"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "them lead themselves through the sales"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "process. The problem is with most"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "business owners out there who haven't"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "been trained in what we're talking"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "about, they feel like they have to talk"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "the most. They feel like they have to"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "get the customer to understand the"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "benefits of the product. I need to get"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "you to hear me. I need to get you to"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "listen. I need to get you to understand"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "the value of what I'm offering you."}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "That's not what the customer wants."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "That's the salesperson's perception."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "What the customer actually wants is a"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "product that's going to solve their"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "problems and a salesman that's going to"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "help them. What's the kind of person"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "that helps you? The person who asks"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "questions. I'm really interested in this"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "concept of change and how the CIA drills"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "into you that you need to accept change"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "because in our all all of our lives, one"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "of the things that most of us are quite"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "bad at is accepting change. We're very"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "rigid. Again, maybe that's because of"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "perception and ego and these kinds of"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "things."}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "CIA believes that all people are born"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "with a spy secret superpower. 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But when I"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "was reading through um the what they"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "teach you at the CIA, they change your"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "relationship with change."}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "They do. So a big part of the advantage"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "of having change is the fact that it's"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "not natural to accept change. So if you"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "can adapt to change faster than your"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "opponent, you have a built-in advantage."}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "You have an edge. So the these three"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "principles time, distance and change in"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "direction. These three principles that"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "CIA teaches as concepts apply in"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "multiple different ways. So as an"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "example, time means that you need to"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "accept that things take time, that time"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "is a resource for you to use. Too often"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "we feel like time is fleeting, time is"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "running out, we have to take action"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "quickly, like time is against us. That's"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "not really true. In fact, time is a tool"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "that you can use to break things down."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "Secrets don't withstand the test of"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "time. How long will it take for you and"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "I to get into each other's secret lives?"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "Nine months. That takes time. Not many"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "people would wait nine months for"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "anything, right? But time is a huge"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "advantage that you have. If all of your"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "opponents are rushing and you're the"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "only person who isn't rushing, time"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "becomes a huge advantage to you that"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "nobody else has. Explain that in the"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "context of business then."}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "So, uh, in business, people are trying"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "to make a rapid sale. Most people want"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "an impulse buyer, right? What do I have"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "to say right now to get you to buy my $7"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "thing? I don't really want you to buy a"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "$7 thing. I want you to buy a $97 thing."}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "If it takes me three weeks to get you to"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "buy a $97 thing, it takes this other"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "person three minutes to get you to buy a"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "$7 thing, who's the better salesman?"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "Well, I would argue that it depends on"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "what you're looking for in terms of"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "long-term. This person selling a $7"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "thing every three minutes has to find a"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "new lead."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "They have to find arguably if they sell"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "one out of every 10, if they convert at"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "10%, they need to find 10 new leads"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "every three minutes to make $7. If I"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "convert at 10%, I need one person to buy"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "a $97 thing every 3 weeks. I have a much"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "less demand on my time to find new"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "leads. And I can qualify my leads"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "better. And if someone's willing to"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "spend $97 on something, guess what that"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "tells me about that person? They have"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "more disposable income. The $7 person, I"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "don't know anything about their"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "disposable income. Do they have some? Do"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "they not? Is that mom and dad's credit"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "card? I don't really know. I'd rather"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "spend three weeks of time cultivating a"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "person who buys a $97 something because"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "then I can sell them a $297 something"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "and then I can sell them a $997"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "something because I can test their"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "threshold for price sensitivity."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "Was there any situations during your"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "time abroad where you felt like like"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "your life was at risk or any sort of"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "really clear apparent threat? Yes, there"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "was there's one specific moment which"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "I'm actively trying to get cleared by"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "CIA uh to talk about where I felt like"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "with high confidence that I had fallen"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "under the scrutiny of a local country's"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "surveillance team. So I was in a foreign"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "country. I believed I fell under their"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "surveillance apparatus and they were"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "actively surveilling me. And the country"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "that I was in and the job that I was"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "doing in that country"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "made me believe that if I had a"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "surveillance team on me, their goal"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "would be to apprehend me at a certain"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "point in the operation at a point where"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "they could get the most uh propaganda"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "and political leverage, etc., etc. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "so that occurrence happened in about"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "2011, and I'm trying to go through a"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "process now to get that cleared by CIA."}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "Up until about nine months ago, CIA was"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "giving me the thumbs up that I'd be able"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "to talk about it. But then geopolitical"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "tensions in the world changed and CIA"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "changed their mind along with that. So"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "now I'm exploring what avenues I have to"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "get them to adhere to their previous"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "approval of letting me tell my story"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "versus uh being forced to adhere to my"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "continued secrecy agreement."}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "So you were in a foreign country. you"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "felt like you were under the"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "surveillance apparatus of a foreign"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "country. What gave you that impression?"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "Was it looking over your shoulder and"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "seeing something or"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "It's the process that we're trained to"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "use for surveillance detection. So,"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "we're trained in a process where you run"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "what's known as an SDR. And in that SDR,"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "you have steps, methods that you use to"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "determine whether or not you are being"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "actively surveiled. And again, we use"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "time to our advantage. So, it's not like"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "something happened in 5 seconds and I"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "thought I was under surveillance. I"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "intentionally carried out a series of"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "steps over say three hours or six hours"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "and over that period of time I had"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "enough information enough data points to"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "confirm with high confidence that I"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "would be under surveillance."}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "SDR"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "surveillance detection route."}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "Okay. And that could be like a car"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "following you or it could be"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "a person following you or a drone"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "following you or your phone being uh"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "acting in a certain way to make you"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "believe that you're being digitally or"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "cyber uh surveiled. Sex pionage."}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "My favorite subject. It's a very real"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "thing."}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "It's a very real thing that's used in"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "different ways based off of uh a a"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "country's civil rights."}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "So in the United States, we don't really"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "use sexion."}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "We don't really use it because it goes"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "against the rights, the individual"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "rights of the citizen who works at the"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "intelligence agency. Right? So if you"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "tell a female intelligence officer that"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "they must sleep with this target in"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "order to get information, you're"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "violating her rights as a US citizen. In"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "China, that's not the same case. In"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Russia, that's not the same case. Right?"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "In the UK, they're also they don't"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "subscribe to forced sexual acts in"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "service of collecting intelligence."}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "Forced."}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "Forced."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "But you can if you want to."}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "What ends up happening is you can if you"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "want to. And for those people who do,"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "they end up creating what's known as an"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "operational security risk because once"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "sex is involved, the power shift becomes"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "untenable."}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "So if the whole goal of a handler is to"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "maintain control over the asset,"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "once sex happens, it's harder for the"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "handler to maintain control over the"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "asset in a objective relationship"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "because now sex leads to feelings like"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "hormonally it leads to feelings. The act"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "of orgasm releases certain hormones that"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "create senses of connection with another"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "person. Right? So when that oxytocin"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "drops, when that neuroepinephrine drops,"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "you your body starts to tell you that"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "you are connected to another person,"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "that is the antithesis of a proper asset"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "handler relationship."}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "Fall in love with them."}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "And we call that falling in love with"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "your asset."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "I won't ask you if you ever engaged in"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "anything like that."}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "I appreciate that. I was fortunate"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "enough that I made all the connective"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "hormones I needed to make with my wife"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "who was also CIA."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "Disguises."}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "Did you ever wear a disguise?"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "Absolutely. Yeah. Disguises are"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "something that are much more common than"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "people would believe and much less"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "quality than people would believe."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "Yeah. So, most disguises, what we"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "actually call disguises inside CIA, we"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "call them costumes. We don't really call"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "them disguises. Disguises is a word"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "that's used in pop media and pop"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "culture. In the real world, we call them"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "costumes. And our costume department,"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "our our disguise department. The whole"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "objective behind a disguise or a costume"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "is just to make you not look like you."}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "Not to make you look like someone else,"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "not even to make you look like a"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "realistic person. It's just to make sure"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "that you don't look like you. Right? So"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "consider your picture, what you look"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "like. You have some very definitive"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "features. Your nose, your forehead, your"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "beard shape, your hair, right? The the"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "way that you hold your face, the"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "neckline that you have. So, if we wanted"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "to change your appearance just so that"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "you didn't look like Steven Bartlett,"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "all we'd have to do is take away those"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "things that make you you and turn them"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "into something else, right? We could put"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "a a nappy redheaded wig on you. We could"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "put giant oversized sunglasses on you."}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "We could shave your face or paint your"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "beard uh gray or even put a fake"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "mustache on. We could put an oversized"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "necklace around your neck and now the"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "picture of that is not going to look"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "like the picture of Steve Barllet."}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Those are all light disguises though,"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "Correct."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "Is that there's deeper types of"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "disguises, right? Correct. I've always"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "wondered if they like plastic surgery"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "and you know if they give a spy plastic"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "surgery and those kinds of things."}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "Uh so there's three levels of disguise."}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "There are some places that will go as"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "far as permanent plastic surgery, but"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "most western services won't do that"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "because it it's it doesn't help the"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "officer. To have a permanent change to"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "your body made doesn't make you more"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "effective at going undercover because"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "now you're just permanently changed. So,"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "you still look the way you look. The"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "value in a disguise is being able to"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "reset the disguise to reset the costume"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "so that you don't look like yourself. So"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "our three levels are level one, level"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "two, level three. Light disguise is"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "level one. Level two is long-term"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "disguise. Level three is something that"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "we call prosthetic disguise. So light"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "disguise is what we talked about."}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "Oversized sunglasses and a nappy wig and"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "all of a sudden you're a different a"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "different person, right? You're you're"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "Lyola. You're not Steve Bartlett"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "anymore. Phase two is long-term"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "disguise. Long-term disguise means it's"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "still you, but we change you"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "physically for a long-term operation."}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "So, instead of having short hair, we"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "grow your hair long. Instead of having a"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "beard, we shave you clean. We lose some"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "of that hard-earned body mass that you"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "have. Or we gain body mass that you"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "don't really want, right? Maybe we put"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "some kind of fake but long-standing"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "tattoo on you, right? we do something"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "with you that changes the way you look"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "physically. It's still you. The reason"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "that's important is because you always"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "have to ask yourself the question, what"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "will a police officer think when they"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "storm into your hotel room at night? If"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "you're wearing a light disguise and a"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "police officer storms into your room at"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "night, they're going to ask questions"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "like, why do you have a wig? Or if you"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "don't have a wig, you just wear a ball"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "cap and a hoodie. There's nothing for"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "them to ask, right? They're basically"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "saying, \"Oh, this is you. Your license"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "says it's you and you wear this ball"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "hat. this ball cap and this hoodie all"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "the time, whatever. You're not going to"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "jail for that. So, level one and level"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "two disguise are are very safe. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "hard to get someone arrested using those"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "two. Level three is what the movies are"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "made out of. That's your prosthetics. If"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "we put fake ears on you, if we put a"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "fake nose on you, if we change your eye"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "color, if we put in a fake missing"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "tooth, right, instead of a real missing"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "tooth, if we do that kind of stuff to"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "you, police officer breaks into your"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "room in the middle of the night. Now"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "they ask, \"Why do you have a fake nose"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "that you're not wearing right now? Why"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "do you have fake eyebrows? Where why do"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "you have fake ears? Why do you have a"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "blacked out tooth?\" Right now they look"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "at your your ID and you don't look like"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "your ID."}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "Much less common, I'm guessing."}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "Very uncommon. Very uncommon. And you"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "would use them strategically at"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "different times. But if you watch too"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "much Mission Impossible or Alias, you"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "start to think that people wear"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "disguises all the time. There's so many"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "problems to disguise. There's there's so"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "many operational uh inadequacies to"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "operational to to disguise that we could"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "have a whole conversation about it,"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "right? Like things don't stick to your"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "face in the extreme cold. Things don't"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "stick to your face in the extreme heat"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "or when you're sweating your ass off in"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "the Philippines. Things melt. Makeup"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "melts. Uh the the adhesive that sticks a"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "fake mustache to your lip starts to"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "disintegrate. Like there's all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "problems with prosthetics in real life"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "that Tom Cruz doesn't have to worry"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "about in the movies."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "The public really doesn't realize that"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "they are much closer to CIA spies than"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "they think they are. One of the things"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "that movies get wrong is that they make"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "CIA spies look like they're some kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "superhuman or superhero right from the"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "day they were born. When in fact, spies"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "are built. They're not born. One of the"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "most famous spy series of all time"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "actually gets it wrong. And that's the"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "James Bond series. Here you see this"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "beautiful man, and he's always"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "attractive. He's always wellspoken. He's"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "always an amazing driver, an amazing"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "fighter, an amazing shot. He's great"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "with the women. And somehow he's able to"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "operate all over the world by calling"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "himself by his true name, James Bond."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "This is not what espionage is like. Real"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "espionage is about people who blend in."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "People who aren't attractive. People who"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "don't get a second look. People who are"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "terrible with women. People who never"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "drive a fancy car. People who never have"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "to pull out their gun because they're so"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "good at keeping a secret. They can get"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "in and get out without ever even being"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "noticed in the first place."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": ">> What are the qualities of a potential"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "spy?"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "International espionage requires a wide"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "range of different types of look and"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "appearance. You can't necessarily say"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "that one person would always be good at"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "espionage and one person would always be"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "bad. Instead, there's really a place for"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "people who look all different types."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "There's a place for the very young and"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "the very old. There's a place for the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "very fit and the very unfit. There's a"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "place for tall people, short people."}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "There's even room for people who have"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "different religious beliefs that require"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "them to wear different types of physical"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "dress. But when it comes to the one type"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "of person that has the most operational"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "utility, you're looking for somebody who"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "is brown but not too dark, somebody who"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "is thin but not too thin, somebody who"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "is middle-aged because that's exactly"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "the kind of person that disappears no"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "matter where they go. Whether they're in"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "Asia or Latin America, whether they're"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "in Canada or Australia, they're"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "overlooked. They're not worth paying"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "attention to. They're not the kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "person you remember bumping into when"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "you're standing in line at a local"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "coffee shop. And that's exactly the kind"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "of gray man that CIA, MI6, and MSAD"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "really look for when they develop a new"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "high performance field operative. A good"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "covert operator is born with a certain"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "series of skills. They are very good at"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "thinking on their feet. They're"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "creative. They're adaptable. They're"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "resilient and resourceful. They're also"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "able to blend in and disappear. These"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "are not people who want to be the center"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "of attention. These are people who want"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "to be in the background. They want to be"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "forgotten. They want to be ignored."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "They're the wall flowers at your school"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "prom. They're the kids who sit in the"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "second to last row because if they sat"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "in the last row of the school bus, they"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "would be noticed. The people who turn"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "into very good spies are the people who"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "enjoy the comfort of anonymity. It's the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "exact opposite of what you see in so"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "much of media. Now, when an intelligence"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "service gets a hold of this person who"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "values anonymity, then they have this"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "rich fertile soil to teach them a whole"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "slew of skills from hacking skills to"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "tradecraftraft skills to alias disguise"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "to foreign language. And they can put"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "and invest these skills into somebody"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "knowing that that person will never show"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "off or brag about their skills. Instead,"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "they're going to use those advanced"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "skills to make themselves even more"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "invisible in front of everybody else."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "One of the most interesting questions I"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "get from people is what is the one most"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "important character trait to be a good"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "spy? And I find this question to be"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "really interesting because it's a"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "shocking answer in my opinion. The most"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "important thing CIA or MSAD or MI6 looks"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "for when they make a possible new spy is"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "somebody who seeks validation from a"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "external source. They're looking for"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "somebody who is so loyal and so"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "dependent on external validation that"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "they will lie, steal, cheat, commit"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "crimes, cross borders, change their"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "name, do anything they have to do in"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "order to get validation and approval"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "from that one focused external source."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "And when CIA finds a person like that,"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "they can train that person to become"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "dependent on CIA. And then the loyalty"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "of that individual becomes so focused on"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "the institution that they don't need any"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "other attention from anywhere else as"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "long as they serve the one organization"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "that validates and appreciates their"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "work."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": ">> What is the process for becoming a CIA"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "operative?"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "When you think about the process for"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "applying and interviewing to CIA, you"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "have to take every application you've"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "ever made from the military to a job and"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "throw it out the window. Because the"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "average application and interview"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "process for CIA takes about 18 months."}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "In fact, if you're a very qualified,"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "high-erforming candidate, the best you"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "can do is about nine months. My own"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "application process took about 11"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "months. And over the course of that"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "time, you are exposed to more and more"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "intrusive, personal, and high stakes"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "interview styles. Sometimes you're doing"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "role plays. Sometimes you're taking"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "psychological batteries that take"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "multiple hours. Sometimes you're doing"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "group or panelist interviews where"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "you're being peppered by a panel of"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "people that you've never talked to"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "before. And that's not counting all the"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "things they're doing behind the scenes."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "Pulling your digital footprint, looking"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "at your police background, looking at"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "your personal finances, looking and"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "reviewing your health history and your"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "family history. There's an incredible"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "amount of activity that goes into"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "identifying the right kind of people"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "that can be trusted to carry out a"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "secret mission somewhere else in the"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "world on behalf of the US federal"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "government. The reason CIA uses this"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "escalation of intrusive interview styles"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "is for two reasons. one, they're looking"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "to identify the specific soft skills"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "that exist in the right candidate. The"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "person who can think on their feet, the"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "person who's resilient, the person who"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "is creative, but then simultaneously,"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "they're also looking for the person"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "who's unwilling to share certain secrets"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "about themselves. Where's the person"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "that's too private to share secrets"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "about the affair they had with their"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "spouse? Or where's the person that's"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "keeping so many secrets they're afraid"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "to talk about the fact that they're"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "broke or even in debt in their credit"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "cards? Where's the person who's not"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "willing to talk about their child abuse?"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "Where's the person who's unwilling to"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "share a secret about cheating on an exam"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "in college? Because if somebody's"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "willing to keep one secret during the"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "interview process, you know, you can't"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "really trust that person to become loyal"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "to the organization when they have to"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "collect secrets of different types that"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "relate to national security and national"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "security policy. I often joke that I was"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "the accidental recruit to CIA because I"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "was not a great college student. I was"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "not a great high school student. I came"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "from the military, but I was not a good"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "soldier. I really don't understand even"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "now to this day why it was that CIA took"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "such an interest in me when they did."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "But my process was one of the most fun"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "processes I've had in my entire life. As"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "an Air Force officer, I was in command"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "of nuclear missiles, which meant I was"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "one of the people sitting underground"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "pointing missiles all over the world,"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "knowing that if I turned my key, I would"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "end human life in some place. So when"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "the time came for me to leave the Air"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "Force, I wanted to do something that was"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "the polar opposite of nuclear missiles."}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "So I found myself applying to the US"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Peace Corps. And it was during that"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "application process to the Peace Corps"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "that my resume was actually flagged"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "online for national security. And in the"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "middle of my application to PeaceCore, I"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "actually had a screen pop up on my"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "computer that said, \"Based on my answers"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "to date in my application, I might"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "qualify for other jobs in the national"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "security sector. Would I be willing to"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "put my application on pause?\" And like"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "any other 27-year-old, when I heard that"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "there might be an opportunity for me to"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "do something else, I I hit yes. And I"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "said, \"Yes, I am willing to put my"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "application on hold for 72 hours to see"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "what comes of this.\" And that's when I"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "got a phone call one day later from a"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "woman who didn't tell me her last name"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "and came from an unlisted phone number"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "with a 703 area code, which is Langley,"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Virginia. And she invited me to"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "Washington DC to go through an"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "application process that would vet me"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "for a possible role in national"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "security. I didn't know at the time that"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "I was being vetted for CIA. I got a set"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "of plane tickets in the mail. I had a"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "rental car sent to me in the mail. I was"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "only given enough information to make it"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "another day where my next hotel would"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "be, where my next appointment would be."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "And that's kind of how I was carried"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "along for the better part of 10 months"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "as I went through test after test and"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "interview after interview where I was"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "applying for and escalating through the"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "process of becoming a CIA operative."}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": ">> What did you learn while becoming a CIA"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "operative?"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "When I actually started training with"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "CIA, I started to have a series of"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "self-discoveries. First, I started to"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "discover that many of the things that I"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "suspected my whole life, many of the"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "things that caused me frustration and"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "disappointment with society were"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "actually very viable things that CIA"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "taught me to understand later on. It"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "taught me to understand that there"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "really isn't a sense of fairness or"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "transparency or honesty that human"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "beings carry from place to place. It"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "doesn't exist in church. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "exist in the professional workplace. It"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "doesn't exist in the military. Even"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "though everyone tries to say that there"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "are standards of behavior and there are"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "codes of conduct and there are social"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "norms, in reality, all of those things"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "are flexible. So for me growing up, it"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "was always very challenging whenever I"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "saw hypocrisy or whenever I saw people"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "go against their word or people not"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "fulfill their promises. I never"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "understood how it was acceptable. How is"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "it that President Clinton could get on a"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "stand and swear to tell the truth and"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "then lie on the stand and yet somehow"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "still become a popular president? It"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "never made sense to me how people"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "accepted deceit and lies and trickery"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "and abuse. CIA believes that all people"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "are born with a spy secret superpower."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "For some people that means they can win"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "deals. For others they can spot liars."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "Some can even seduce lovers. I built a"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "free 3inut test to help reveal to you"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "of people. But CIA taught me how the"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "human brain worked and how it is that"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "the human brain can accept those"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "offenses and move forward with its own"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "narrative, its own dialogue. Learning"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "that during my process at CIA taught me"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "not only how to understand other people,"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "but also how to understand my own life,"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "my own childhood trauma, my own"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "relationship with my parents and my"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "teachers and my professors and my peers."}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "And understanding how I viewed the world"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "and how the world viewed me gave me an"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "incredible advantage that the CIA knew I"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "needed in order to operate as a solo"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "operator in the field."}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "How does becoming a CIA agent impact"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "your personal life?"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": ">> One area that's very personal to me that"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "CIA really helped me understand was the"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "area of personal relationships. When I"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "was a child growing up in a house where"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "my father had died early and my mom"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "remarried multiple times, it was very"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "difficult for me to maintain and really"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "invest myself into personal"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "relationships. I didn't have a lot of"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "friends. I didn't really trust my"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "teachers. I didn't even really trust my"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "parents. And I learned later on that"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "when I became part of CIA, one of the"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "things CIA asks all officers to do is"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "sever previous relationships, to just"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "cut them off, break them off, stop"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "investing in them. Because when you drag"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "the past into your future, you leave"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "yourself open to vulnerability. Where I"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "anticipated that my peers at CIA would"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "have a hard time turning off all those"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "old relationships, cancelling old"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "college friends, getting away from their"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "cousins, getting away from their"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "parents. What actually happened is that"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "we welcomed that invitation. And I was"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "one of those people who absolutely"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "welcomed an excuse to terminate all of"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "my old military friends, to jump off of"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "social media, to stop answering email,"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "to change my phone number, to change my"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "address, and not even tell my parents"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "where I was moving to. It was this"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "welcomed opportunity to reset life and"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "have a plausible explainable reason for"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "yourself that's justifiable because"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "you're going to go invest your life into"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "keeping Americans safe. What better"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "justification, what better"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "rationalization is there for saying I am"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "done with my old life and I am starting"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "a whole new life that nobody can know is"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "real. Any rational person would have to"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "ask the question whether or not CIA's"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "behavior is in line with the behavior of"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "a cult. And the answer is yes."}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "Absolutely. Because the loyalty that you"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "have to have to the central intelligence"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "agency has to come above your loyalty to"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "anything else. Higher than your loyalty"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "to your parents, higher than your"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "loyalty to your spouse, higher than the"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "loyalty you have to your own children."}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "Because when you sacrifice everything at"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "the behest of a mission to keep people"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "safe by stealing secrets, you can't let"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "anything else come before that. What we"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "say to ourselves at CIA is mission"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "first, family always, which is still"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "mission first. And that is absolutely in"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "line with the way that cults cultivate"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "their own followers. They make people"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "absolutely dependent on the cult, the"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "organization, the foundation, the"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "principle first. So you have to consider"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "the fact that based on objective"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "reality, yes, there are many behaviors"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "at CIA that are in line with the"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "behaviors of a religious cult."}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "What is CIA training like?"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:56", "text": ">> CIA trains with a very specific model"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "that really doesn't exist anywhere else."}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "They call it a three-step model. First,"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "you educate, then you exercise, and then"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "you experience. What that means is it's"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "not like college where everything is"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "educationbased, but it's also not like"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "on the job training where everything is"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "experience-based. Instead, there's a"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "very systematic formula to how CIA"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "trains officers in their new trade craft"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "skills. They start with classroom"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "education. And it really is that. It's"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "just like being in a college setting."}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "You have an instructor or two at the"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "front of the classroom, and you have a"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "room of anywhere from 30 to 100 new"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "recruits who learn a skill or a concept."}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "That class might be 45 minutes to two"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "hours long. Immediately after that class"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "is over, you take a short break and then"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "you come back for a series of exercises"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "or role plays. Maybe you role play with"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "another student. Maybe you role play"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "with an instructor. Maybe a few students"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "are called to the front of the room"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "where they exercise in real time with"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "all of the other students observing"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "them. What's happening is the education"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "portion of what happened in the morning"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "is now being demonstrated through the"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "exercise that's happening in the"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "classroom. Immediately following that"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "exercise, everyone is kicked out into"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "the real world to go actually exercise"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "the skill that they learned and the"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "skill that was demonstrated in the"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "field. And what happens is you will"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "either fail or you will succeed during"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "the process of applying that skill in"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "the real world. And what's really"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "powerful is because you operate alone,"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "you're the only one who knows if you"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "succeeded or failed with that skill. So"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "then when you come back to the classroom"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "the next day, you're carrying this"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "knowledge in your own head and it's up"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "to you whether or not you seek"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "additional help from a peer or from a"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "teacher. Whether you admit to your"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "failure or whether you celebrate your"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "success, it's all on your own shoulders,"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "which is part of the psychological game"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "that must happen in order for you to"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "develop both a loyalty to the"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "organization, but also a sense of"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "confidence that you can operate"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "single-handedly in the field. It's"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "important to understand that there's a"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "difference between training and therapy."}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "Training is something that you do in"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "advance of an activity so that you have"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "the resilience and skills and capability"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "to persevere through the activity that"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "you have to carry out. Therapy is"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "something that you do after the fact."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "Therapy comes after some event has"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "occurred that may have adversely"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "affected your psychology, your"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "self-confidence, your anxiety, your your"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "actual brain chemistry. CIA invests a"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "great deal in your training specifically"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "because they do not want to invest in"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "your therapy. They look for people who"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "are capable of doing both wonderful and"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "terrible things and still be able to"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "sleep at night because they know that if"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "for some reason you're overwhelmed, if"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "for some reason you crack under"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "pressure, if for some reason you break"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "during an operation, there is much more"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "at stake than just your life."}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "What did the CIA teach you about ethics"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "and morals?"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": ">> One of the foundational lessons at CIA"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "is helping us to understand the"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "difference between ethics and morals."}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "And that's something that the average"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "person doesn't really think about or"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "understand. Ethics are actually"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "something that's defined by your"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "profession. It's something that comes"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "from outside, an external source. If"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "you're an attorney, there's a code of"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "ethics for attorneys. If you're a"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "doctor, there's a code of ethics for"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "doctors. If you're a teacher, there's a"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "code of ethics for teachers. It's"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "defined outside of you. Where morals are"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "actually something that's defined"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "internal to you. It's something that you"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "believe to be true, something that you"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "believe to be important. Maybe that's"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "something that was taught to you as a"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "child or something that you developed on"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "your own. But ethics and morals are not"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "the same thing. So when you join CIA,"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "they teach you that they CIA have their"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "own code of ethics. And that code of"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "ethics is really quite short because we"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "are what's known as an organization of"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "last resort. Meaning if CIA gets a"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "mission, it's because nobody else in the"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "American government can do it. But"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "morally, what it means is that you have"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "to be flexible with your own personal"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "morals. And a big part of what makes a"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "CI officer successful is what's known as"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "moral flexibility or the ability to"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "believe one thing today as moral and"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "something else tomorrow as equally just"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "as moral. Because sometimes you have to"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "hurt a bad guy to save a good guy."}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "Sometimes you have to steal from a"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "criminal in order to get what you need"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "to protect someone else. So morals are"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "not as black and white as they are in"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "everyday life. Sometimes you have to do"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "something terrible in order to"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "accomplish something wonderful and you"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "have to be able to sleep with yourself"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "at night no matter what you do. The idea"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "of moral flexibility seems like"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "something that you might have to train"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "into people. But the truth is that most"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "of us are already born with that. We"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "already accept that. We already"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "understand on a fundamental level that"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "if push came to shove, we would"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "absolutely hurt others to protect"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "ourselves. We would hurt others to"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "protect our family. we would watch"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "someone else fail rather than fail"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "ourselves. And for the few people in the"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "population who do not agree with that,"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "they would never make good CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "operatives because there are many, many"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "people, there's a very large talent pool"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "of people out there who have the basic"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "moral flexibility in order to carry out"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "clandestine operations. They just"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "haven't been trained to the place where"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "they know how to carry out those skills"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "to achieve specific outcomes."}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "How do I know if I have what it takes to"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "be a CIA operative?"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": ">> Use yourself as a test case here. If"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "you're still listening to me talk right"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "now, if you've heard me explain what"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "it's like to go through the recruitment"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "process, you've heard me talk about what"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "it's like to be a spy, you've heard me"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "talk about what the realities of spy"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "life are like versus the movies, and"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "you're still watching, that's a good"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "sign that you actually have what it"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "takes to consider being an actual"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "undercover operative because thousands"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "of other people have already stopped"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "watching this video. Thousands of people"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "saw the headline and never even clicked"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "on the video. But the fact that you are"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "not only still watching, but excited to"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "hear what comes next goes to show that"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "you already have some of that"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "psychological foundation, that moral"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "flexibility, that resilience, that"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "courage, that independence, that"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "willingness to cut off all of your old"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "life in order to pursue a new life. You"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "have that risk tolerance already inside"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "you. Whether you've ever known it or"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "not, it's there. And that's what's so"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "powerful about CIA. It doesn't care"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "about the majority of people. It's there"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "to preserve national security. And if"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "you have that level of pragmatic"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "thought, if you're willing to accept"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "that there's a difference between people"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "and institutions, then that shows that"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "you are the kind of person that could"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "potentially fit into the category of"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "covert operative."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "2008. I'm deployed to Iraq. We go out on"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "a target one night. Uh engage a shooter"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "inside of a building. There was a"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "gunfire exchange. Uh I see a couple"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "rounds hit the ground in front of me."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "One round hits my leg. I can feel that"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "my foot isn't working exactly correctly,"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "but because I still have pants on and"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "everything, I can't see the extent of"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "the wound, but I can feel that there's a"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "substantial amount of blood going into"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "my boot. So the next day they're"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "changing the dressing on my leg and I"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "get a good first look at the leg and the"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "extent of the injury. There was about a"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "fist-sized hole in the side of my calf."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "You go through those moments and I just"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "think to myself like this can't be how"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "my career ends. My career doesn't end"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "with a giant bloody hole in my leg"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "flying on a medevac helicopter to a"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "hospital and that's not the last thing"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "that I do as an operational Navy Seal."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "What does the body do when that happens?"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "Like that is that is missing muscle."}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "What comes next? That well that's that's"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "trauma."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Alex Gus, I am super excited to be here"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "right now. We have been on a trip"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "together. We've been traveling. We've"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "been speaking. We started in Tampa."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "Right now we're in Miami. And I had to"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "take a moment to get us around a table"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "to share a little bit of what it's like"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "to be with us all the time because what"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "I have found is that when I have the two"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "of you together, nothing except"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "interesting things get talked about. And"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "I really want to share that with"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "everyone. More specifically, what I want"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "to start with is your story of getting"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "shot,"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "rehabilitating the wound, how it"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "transformed your mindset, how it"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "transformed your exercise, and I really"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "want, Alex, your opinions along the way"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "on anything that strikes up your"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "curiosity. Ask any question you want."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "Interrupt him anytime you want because I"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "really do want to hear how the two of"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "you go through the process of geeking"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "out about this incredible moment in your"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "life. Yes. Yes. So, I guess we'll start"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "from the beginning. 2008, I'm deployed"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "to Iraq, one of my first combat"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "deployments, so I'm still pretty new in"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "the Navy. I' had only been in for about"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "six years. We go out on a target one"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "night, uh, engage a shooter inside of a"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "building, I put myself into a security"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "position in the courtyard. There was a"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "gunfire exchange in the door. As I turn"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "around and start moving towards the"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "door, uh, I see a couple rounds hit the"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "ground in front of me. One round hits my"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "leg. I'm immediately aware of it. felt"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "like getting hit with a sledgehammer or"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "something. Uh, second round hits my"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "plate and then a couple rounds kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "snap by my head. So, I kind of take"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "stock in that moment. What's happened?"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "Uh, I can feel that my foot isn't"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "working exactly correctly, but because I"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "still have pants on and everything, I"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "can't see the extent of the wound, but I"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "can feel that there's a substantial"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "amount of blood going into my boot. And"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "I moved myself to a secure place in the"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "courtyard behind a little uh animal pin"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "kind of structure. put a tourniquet over"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "my knee, stay engaged in the gunfight,"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "make a radio call. Hey, this is, you"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "know, this is my shooter number. This is"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "what happened. I'm hit. We have a couple"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "of guys down. Uh, a couple of our"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "teammates came down where they were able"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "to engage and neutralize the guy in the"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "house, and then we were able to move off"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "target. Later on in the hospital, you"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "know, we go to the hospital, they put me"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "on a gurnie, put me under, and I don't"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "really get a good look at the wound"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "until the next day. So, I can't really"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "take stock of exactly what's happened. I"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "just know that on target that night, I"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "felt that I lost some use of my foot and"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "that I knew that there was a substantial"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "amount of bud blood coming out of my"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "leg. So, the next day, they're changing"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "the dressing on my leg and I get a good"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "first look at the leg and the extent of"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "the injury. And it's pretty shocking to"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "me in that moment because I hadn't seen"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "it, but I didn't imagine that it was"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "going to be what I was looking at. There"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "was about a fist-siz hole in the side of"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "my calf. The bullet had made a front"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "entry and rear exit and taken a"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "substantial amount of tissue with it as"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "well as like splitting the skin on the"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "side of the leg from the pressure of the"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "bullet passing through."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": ">> Um, so before you could actually see it"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": ">> 24 hours like what was the pain like for"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "a fist-sized hole in your calf? So, and"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "I wouldn't realize this until later, but"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "it the bullet had severed the"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "superficial paranal nerve. So, the pain"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "wasn't I felt the immediate impact. Like"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "I said, it felt like getting hit with a"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "sledgehammer, a baseball bat in the leg."}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "It kind of spun my body around. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "I was more acutely aware of the fact"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "that I couldn't move my foot correctly."}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "I was kind of step and drag and and I"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "could feel that I was losing blood. Like"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "your foot was like a brick."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Yeah. So, and you don't know what you"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "don't know, right? I actually in my mind"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "was imagining that the bullet had hit me"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "from a different angle and I until I saw"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "the wound, I didn't really understand"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "the path that the bullet had taken, if"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "that makes sense. M um so you're trying"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "to take stock of that, but I'm also not"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "trying to think too much about the fact"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "that I got hit and trying to think, hey,"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "I'm still in this gunfire."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": ">> You got stuff to do."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": ">> There's still a dude who for some reason"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "has now stopped shooting at me and and I"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "got to get myself to a secure position"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "and prepare to return fire or if he's"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "going to come out of the building or"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "whatever. And you know, you got to stay"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "engaged. Rule number one in warfare is"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "you win the fight, right? Before you"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "take care of anything else, win the"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "gunfight. So that happens next day I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "in the hospital."}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "Um it happened to be Super Bowl Sunday,"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "the night that we went out of the"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "operation February 4th. And so the next"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "day I'm in the hospital. But we do this"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "dressing change and then they're they're"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "playing the replay of the Super Bowl on"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "AFN Armed Forces Network and and uh so"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "we're kind of, you know, in a"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "semi-drugged out state with morphine and"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "delotted coursing through our veins and"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "I'm looking at this giant hole in my leg"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "and kind of trying to figure out in my"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "mind, you know, a few things were"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "happening at the same time. Number one,"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "thank God I'm still alive."}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": ">> Uh I'm here in the hospital. Number two"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "is, you know, I need to call my"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "significant other and I need to call my"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "parents at some point and like let them"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "know that this thing has happened. And"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "that I think there I probably had more"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "anxiety about that than I did about"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "actually being injured"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": ">> cuz I'm like this is going to be heavy"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "news, right, for uh for my wife at the"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "time and my mom to deal with. Probably"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "my dad, too."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": ">> And then number three, thinking what's"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "going to become of my career, right? I'm"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "looking at this injury that in my mind"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "is sort of career ending from what I was"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "thinking at the you know at that point"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "I'm sitting there in the hospital I at"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "that I had quite a bit of edema in the"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "leg right body had shunted a lot of"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "fluid to the leg so it's pretty full and"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "swollen and I couldn't really move my"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "foot and they were alternating with like"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "nerve blocks to prevent the pain"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:39", "text": ">> wow"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:39", "text": ">> and uh so I I kind of was like I can't"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "really use my leg now currently in a way"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "that's going to allow me to continue to"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "do this job."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": ">> So, you were a Navy Seal."}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": ">> Um, this was how long after Buds did"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "this happen?"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": ">> About six years. So, I went through Buds"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "in 2002. This was my third combat"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "deployment in February of 2008."}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "So, what is that in in SEAL terminology?"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": ">> Is that early career, mid-career? Is"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "that like is that an important point"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "because something else is about to"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "happen next? Like what does that mean?"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "So for me, six years would have been"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "pretty early career, but I was already"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "looking to make the transition from uh"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "the regular SEAL teams over to Naval"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Special Warfare Development Group. In"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "fact, I had already done the screening"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "to go into the next selection class. Um"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "so there were already career milestones"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "that I was sort of looking at checking"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "off and I already had when those kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "things happen and there's never a good"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "time to be injured."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": ">> But you kind of have this trajectory of"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "life that you map out to yourself,"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "right? whatever it is that you're doing,"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "I have this trajectory. I have these"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "steps. I have these milestones I want to"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "meet. And something like that happens."}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "And it's this sort of unpredicted,"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "unforeseeable event that is now"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "happening that in my mind is changing"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "the entire trajectory, like hard stop on"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "all of my plans. And maybe I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "have to submit college applications or"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "go look for another job or prepare to"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "get uh, you know, medortboarded and"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "medically retired from the Navy. In my"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "mind, these are the things that I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "going through. Um, and then also having"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "to deal with the fact that I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "have to like alert my loved ones to the"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "fact that this had happened. And"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "unfortunately, we also lost uh two of"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "our teammates that night."}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": ">> So, I'm I'm processing that too, right?"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Um, so it was a it was a lot of stuff to"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "deal with. And then you kind of are in"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "this like semi out of your normal state"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "of mind because delotted is a really"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "strong opiate painkiller. And so I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "like a little bit euphoric trying to be"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "happy and think about all these things"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "that really strange experience. And then"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "also the Super Bowl is playing and it"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "was the year the Patriots were"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "undefeated 18 and0."}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": ">> I just I've got to say I can't believe"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "you're remembering anything about the"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "game."}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": ">> It's mindboggling. Right. Right. Well,"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "it was such a it was such a like"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "landmark game, I guess, if you want to"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "call because it was the undefeated 18-0"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Tom Brady le Patriots lost to Eli"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "Manning and the sort of also ran nine"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "and seven, not that great of a team New"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "York Giants on a miracle helmet catch,"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "like one-handed helmet catch. And uh we"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "missed the game to go out on target that"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "night. So, I'm watching it with a bunch"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "of Marines who had been blown up in a"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "convoy the night before. And we're, like"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "I said, we're all, you know, on on heavy"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "painkillers. And so we're all watching"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "this game and kind of like, did that"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "just happen? Like, did they really just"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "lose? Did the Patriots just lose? Is"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "this a replay of some other Super Bowl?"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "You know, cuz it's like it's not really"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "computing with all the drugs in our"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "system that that this has just happened."}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "And then, uh, it's just one of those"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "things that I was like, \"Wow, I missed I"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "missed maybe one of the best most"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "amazing Super Bowl finishes in Super"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "Bowl history to go out on target.\" And"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "then, you know, then I ended how it"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "ended. though"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "you're sitting in a bed um watching the"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "Super Bowl 24 hours after 24 hours. Yep."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "And when would you say the the reality"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "of the wound started to set in? That's a"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "big chunk of calf to be shot out. And"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "I'm just going to say right now I have"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "very small calves."}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": ">> I don't think I have enough calf muscle"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "for a fist-sized hole. Like the whole"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "thing would have been gone."}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Yeah. It was uh Yeah. I think I I really"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "took stock of it the first time I saw"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "it, like the first time they came in."}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "And so I woke up from the, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "from being in in the surgery and I had a"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "big dressing covering it and they had"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "like a wound vac tube that was going in"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "to siphon off some of the fluid that was"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "coming out of the wound. So I wasn't"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "really seeing it at that point. The the"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "actual pain registered, not just this"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "the surprise of having get gotten shot"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "plus the adrenaline and everything. And"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "so it's it's throbbing and it, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "it's quite a bit of discomfort. And I'm"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "looking at it and I'm kind of trying to"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "make sense of what it looks like with"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "this dressing on there. They came in to"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "do the dressing change and here's this"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "huge hole in my leg that I'm like, \"Oh"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "no.\" You know, I'm thinking whatever I"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "thought it was before, this is this is"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "worse. And you you had a lot of"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "knowledge, a lot of background training,"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "exercise, both SEAL driven and"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "personally driven"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": ">> in kinesiology and in physical fitness"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "and in physical training, personal"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "training."}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": ">> Did you think to yourself,"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": ">> I I know what to do here or did you"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "think to yourself, this is this could be"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "the end of walking? Like where were you"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "on that spectrum? No, I think sort of"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "the anatomy and physiology background"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "helped me because then when I was"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "looking at this hole, I'm identifying"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "the muscle bellies that I can see inside"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "of my there's my solius and my tibialis"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "anterior and my gastromas still connect"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "all of those things. Well, they weren't"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "connected. There was a big space between"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "them"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:46", "text": ">> and"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:46", "text": ">> it's like the crosscut section in"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "anatomy book"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": ">> only you're seeing it on your body."}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Which person in fact I have a I"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "have a picture of it. I'd love to show"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "you. Yeah. Let's go process this while"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "I'm talking about it."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": ">> Who took this picture? Was this you?"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:01", "text": ">> So, I handed the camera to the nurse"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "who's doing the dressing change. I'm"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "again pretty high"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "as I as the picture as we'll see in the"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "picture. And I'm like, can you take a"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "picture of this?"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:12", "text": ">> And the gal was like, \"Yeah, I guess.\""}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "So, there's me and there's the injury."}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "Oh, that's juicy. So, I'm looking again"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "at this giant hole and and a couple of"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "things again. And a couple of things are"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "happening. I'm thinking to myself, okay,"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "I see that there's a substantial amount"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "of soft tissue damage, but no bone"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "damage. In my mind, that's good. What"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "you can't see is the nerve damage or"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "potentially other connective tissue"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "damage. Um, that might"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": ">> go"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": ">> hinder or impair your ability to get"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "back to full functionality. And so I'm"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "thinking, you know, I can't move my foot"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "the way I want to. So, in my mind, some"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "potential nerve damage or possibly"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "connective tissue damage. But I'm also"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "thinking like, well, there's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "swelling. We need to give time for the"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "swelling to go down and let the muscles"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "heal. But I can see there's a a big"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "space between where the top of my solius"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "and gastrochemis."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": ">> Lots of muscle fibers disconnected"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "muscle, lots of tissue gone,"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": ">> lots of arteries and veins."}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": ">> I can't believe you are smiling like"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "that. That speaks to how powerful these"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "drugs must have been."}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:17", "text": ">> you are smiling with a thumb up."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": ">> Yeah. I also was thinking like I might"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "have to send my picture this picture to"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "my parents and I want them to know I'm"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "okay. I'm in a good frame of looks bad"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "but I looks bad but I'm gonna I'm gonna"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "make it."}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:32", "text": ">> And when eventually when I did end up"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "calling my parents that was pretty much"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "what I said. I said, \"Mom, dad, I want"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "you to know like I've got some bad news."}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "I got shot but I'm okay and I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "be coming home.\" And that was literally"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "how the conversation went. And it was"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "like crickets on the other end of the"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "phone. Wow. And it's kind of like, you"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "know, what do you say to that except"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "like, oh, see you when you get back."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": ">> So, you've got this giant um missing"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "part of your leg."}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": ">> I mean, it looks like something out of"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "the movies, which makes me respect how"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "accurate the movies might be sometimes."}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:03", "text": ">> That's real."}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": ">> Uh, but you were also aspiring for Dev"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "Group. You were getting ready for Seal"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "Team Six."}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": ">> When I have to imagine seals get shot."}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "That's a stupid thing to say out loud,"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "but I don't think anybody thinks about"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "it. Seals must get shot."}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": ">> Is a wound like this generally something"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "that ends your career in the SEALs, or"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "is this something that you were like,"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "uh, I I think I got this. Like, where"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "was your mindset? So, it really depends."}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "And up until that point, I didn't know"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "personally anybody who had gotten shot"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "that that didn't die. So, it was like I"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "didn't know really anybody who had"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "sustained severe like gunshot or blast"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "traumas that stayed active and got back"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "to work. In the aftermath of that, I"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "ended up meeting quite a few who had"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "been shot some of them a number of"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "times. Um, one of my friends was shot"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "through actually in a sort of freak"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "accident was shot with one round through"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "both calves."}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": ">> He was got hit from the side, went in"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "one, out of that one and into the back"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "of the other calf."}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "So, I started meeting people as the"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "recovery process was going that are"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "saying, you know, I've been through"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "this. I've been where you are. I've had"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "nerve damage. I've had this. And that"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "was a positive for me because I could"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "get some perspective on that there is a"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "way to recover. There's like a way back."}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "There's like a road and things that you"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "can do. But until you know the full"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "extent of what's damaged in you, it's"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "hard to know exactly how that"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "rehabilitation is going to go, what that"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "physical therapy process looks like,"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "right? So you might get shot through the"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "through the gut and miss all your vital"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "organs and go out go out your back."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:43", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": ">> Or you might get shot in the gut and it"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "hits three vital organs and you die,"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "right? And that can be the same caliber"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "round. And so it's uh terminal"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "ballistics are are very strange. I have"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "always considered myself super"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "fortunate, despite what you might see in"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "the picture, that it only did soft"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "tissue and nerve damage and that I was"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "in relatively short order able to start"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "getting back to rehabbing and getting"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "back on"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": ">> uh the career trajectory that I wanted"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "to follow, which was getting ready to"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "screen and and uh go back to"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": ">> Yeah, I was going to follow up."}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": ">> So So there was no bone damage. Your"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "tibia fibula were fine."}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": ">> Yeah. So missed by maybe a quarter of an"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "inch missed impacting the bone. So"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "again, the game of inches. Very, very"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "fortunate that that missed. And like I"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "said, there was a second round that hit"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "the the ceramic chest plate that I was"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "wearing just about a/4 in, maybe half an"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "inch from the top of the chest plate,"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "which if it had shot into my clavicle"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "area, it could have hit, you know,"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "arteries, veins, could have bounced off"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "something and potentially been a lethal"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "round. So really, you know, saved my"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "career by maybe a quarter inch, saved my"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "life by maybe another half inch. So it"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "looks like you lost It literally looks"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "like somebody scooped a handful of your"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "calf out of you. Yeah. What does the"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "body do when that happens? Like that is"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "that is missing muscle. It's way more"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "than just missing skin. It's missing"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "muscle and everything"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": ">> that goes along with it, right? All the"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "muscle fibers are gone."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:11", "text": ">> What comes next?"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": ">> That well that's that's trauma. That"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "like that like that is that is physical"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "trauma. So the body recruits literally"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "every resource it can to try to save the"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "area. And so like the inflammation that"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "you were talking about like that's the"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "carrier for all that stuff. All all the"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "inflammatory cytoines, every every tiny"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "little thing your body could shuttle to"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "that area and start the rebuild process."}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "That's what it was up to. But man, when"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "you separate that much tissue, that that"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "process doesn't happen all by itself."}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "It's it's quite the process. So, so his"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "body's like trying to gear up"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:48", "text": ">> as if you were a fetus in the womb"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "trying to gear up to reconnect satellite"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "cells along fibers to to reestablish the"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "ability to move like all those things."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "It's it's a very crazy process."}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:02", "text": ">> What What was that like from your point"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "of view?"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": ">> So, I had a really good team of doctors."}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "I was at three different hospitals. I"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "was in uh Balad, Iraq first for a couple"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "days, then launch tool, Germany, and"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "then eventually Portsouth Naval Hospital"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "and my teams of doctors did a really"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "good job of explaining what the process"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "of recovery is going to look like,"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "right? The first is like Alex was"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "saying, you know, your body's going to"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "allocate all of its resources to healing"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "that thing. It's going to try and"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "rebuild tissue. It's going to try and,"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "you know, regenerate nerve function. and"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "it's going to try and maintain the"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "vascularity that's there or reroute the"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "blood flow because it still has to get"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "blood to your foot. Now, it's not going"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "through the outside of your calf. So,"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "how does it do that? And the body's"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "really an incredible thing when it comes"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "to repairing itself and saying like,"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "\"Hey, we need to we need to fix this so"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "we can get back to to being a functional"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "being.\" And so, the doctor said, you"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "know, what's going to happen is we're"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "going to leave this wound vacressing"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "that's going to siphon off fluid so the"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "wound doesn't get infected. And then"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "while the wound back is on there, the"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "tissue is going to granulate. It's going"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "to fill in as much as it's going to fill"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "in. As much of that tissue as it can"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "rebuild, it will organically. Uh once"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "that process of granulation was at a"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "point where they were satisfied that it"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "was about as much as we were going to"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "get, it needs a new layer of skin. And"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "so they said, \"At that point, we'll take"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "a a portion of skin from your thigh and"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "we'll graft it over that wound and your"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "body will adopt that skin as if it was"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "just skin growing over the uh the open"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "wound, the granulated tissue, which I"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "have some other pictures I'll show you"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "guys another time of the tissue as it's"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "granulating and then the skin graft as"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "it's overlaid. They they punch a bunch"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "of holes. basically take the skin, peel"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "it off your leg with a cheese grater"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "type machine, and then they run it"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "through another machine that stretches"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "it, p like punctures a bunch of holes in"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "it so that the fluid underneath can get"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "siphoned off so it doesn't turn into"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "just like a big blister of this fluid."}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "It's Yeah. big bubble, a big infected"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "bubble. Um, CIA believes that all people"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "are born with a spy secret superpower."}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "For some people that means they can win"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "deals. For others, they can spot liars."}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "Some can even seduce lovers. I built a"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "free 3inut test to help reveal to you"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "below, take the test, and start using"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "of people. So, you know, listening to"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "the doctors and again like you said with"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "my background and I had I had studied"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "kinesiology, anatomy, physiology, I"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "wanted to go into that some branch of"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "the medical profession. It was"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "fascinating to me to listen to the"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "doctors explain it and I was really glad"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "that they knew what they were talking"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "about."}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:48", "text": ">> Um, and the further I got down that road"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "of recovery, the more I realized like,"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "hey, there's a very real possibility"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "that I can get back to doing my job"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:57", "text": ">> and where the doctor's optimistic as"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "well."}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "Yeah, it's hard to tell in the early"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "stages if it if it's if they're being"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "optimistic or if it's just good bedside"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "manner and they're just trying not to be"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "discouraging with you because I had you"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "imagine that they're looking at the same"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "giant hole that I'm looking at"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": ">> and they're like, \"Oh no,\" you know, and"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "they're just not they're disguising it"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "better. Uh, but I do think they were"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "optimistic and and you know there was a"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "couple of times I remember in when I was"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "in Germany they would bring in other"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "doctors from the orthopedic like and the"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "gunshot wound clinics and they would"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "bring them in and they'd be like this is"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "what good healthy tissue looks like and"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "you see the blood flow and it's red and"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "here's the density and all these other"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "things which to me was like oh good at"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "least it's good tissue right it's not"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "like a 50-year smoker or something with"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "like half dead nonvascular tissue and"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "then they're trying to heal. I was like,"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "\"All right, at least at least that's a"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "step in the right direction.\""}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": ">> But they were optimistic and and at"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "every step of the way, they kind of gave"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "me a real assessment of what was going"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "on, which I which I appreciated the fact"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "that they were candid and honest and"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "saying, \"Hey, here's some limitations."}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "Here's some things that are happening."}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "Here's some things we don't know, but"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "we're looking to find out. And here's"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "potential like, you know, route A, B,"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "and CES of action that we can take based"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "on our findings.\" Mhm."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": ">> So, it sounds like what we've talked"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "about so far is that the body is"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "starting to rebuild the muscle"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "connections, right? What was the word"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "that you guys used"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": ">> when it's starting to create more muscle"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "fibers that reach back to close?"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:26", "text": ">> The word that I kept hearing was your"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "tissue will granulate."}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:28", "text": ">> Granul it'll fill in"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:30", "text": ">> granulate."}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:31", "text": ">> But there was more happening than just"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "muscle."}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:34", "text": ">> So, was there any other damage done than"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "just muscle? And and do those things"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "granulate and grow back? So we use the"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "term so there's hypertrophy most people"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "have heard of that with regard to weight"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "trying to grow your muscle but there's"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "hyperplasia too that is the"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "proliferation of new cells right so like"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "like your injury there's muscle there"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "but there's also nerve fibers and"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "there's also arteries there's also veins"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "there's no you know bone fragments or"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "anything you said that that wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "thing for you so so your body was trying"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "to rebuild several different types of"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "tissue hyperlasia regrow new cells at"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "the same time, which is"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": ">> Were you exhausted? Like, was this an"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "exhausting process? Because in my mind,"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "I'm thinking like how many resources"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "your body was putting toward that area"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "to try to fix things up? And I know"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "you're used to being a pretty active guy"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "and you're probably laid up a bit, but"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "isn't that an exhausting process? It's"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "it's kind of hard to tell because I'm in"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "bed all the time and so I you know I"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "didn't particularly like not being"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "active but I'm also you know on when I"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "was in Iraq they I was on Delotta they"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "moved me to LaunchJool and it switched"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "to morphine and then when they moved me"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "over to"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:44", "text": ">> uh um Portsmouth it was a lesser dose of"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "morphine. So it's kind of hard to tell"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "really what what state you're in. I felt"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "tired a lot of the time but I thought"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "this"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:53", "text": ">> this might be some depression. This"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "might be some Yeah. It's just the the"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "effect of the opiates."}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:58", "text": ">> Um, but I lost a ton of weight. So, I I"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "went into the hospital at probably 195"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "or 198 pounds. When I got discharged"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "from Portmith about three and a half"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "weeks later, I had lost 40 lbs. Wow."}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": ">> Something like that. Yeah. And I mean,"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "it was just"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": ">> I couldn't eat. I slept a lot of the"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "time. Some of the the"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "uh, you know, drugs that they had me on"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "made me lose my appetite or made me not"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "able to hold food down in and out of"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "surgery. so much energy and so much"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "energy healing process just all your"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "body's resources have gone away from"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "muscle hypertrophy and working out and"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "all those things and like we just need"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "to fix this."}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:35", "text": ">> So what about function in your foot? How"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "did that as the process of recovery"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "played out? What did you find in your"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "body?"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": ">> So they knew that the the superficial"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "paranal nerve was damaged. You have a"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "run a nerve that runs the length of your"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "leg at about the knee joint. It branches"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "into two branches. is that's called the"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "paranal nerve. It branches off one goes"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "deep uh runs down the tib fib and then"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "the other one goes to the outside. So"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "you have your deep paranal and your"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "superficial paranal. The superficial"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "paranal nerve was severed and that"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "controls your ability to balance your"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "foot perform function called eversion"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "which is lifting the outside of your"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "foot."}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:13", "text": ">> Not just severed like cut either severed"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "by like the whole length of the wound."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:19", "text": ">> Yep. When they when I went to the"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "hospital initially, they performed a"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "surgery called a debridement where they"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "cut away the dead tissue and the dirt"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "and anything else that had gotten in"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "there on the battlefield just to give"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "them a nice clean wound to work with."}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "But essentially, by the time they were"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "done with the debridement, there was a"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "space of about 4 in between the two"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "nerve endings in my superficial paranal"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "nerve."}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:41", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:41", "text": ">> And it's really hard to tell again with"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "everything that the body is doing to"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "heal that. It's hard for the doctors to"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "say definitively right away the paranal"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "nerve is gone. You're going to lose"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "function ever. Uh and so it really"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "wasn't until probably around the time in"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "in late March when I had my skin graft"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "that they conducted a nerve a nerve"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "conduction test and determined that the"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "paranal paranal superficial superficial"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "paranal nerve function was gone and"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "probably wasn't coming back. And so at"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "that point they we started exploring"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "options of u basically the two options"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "that they gave me were we can try to do"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "a nerve graft and take a piece of your"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "sciatic nerve cut it out plug it in"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "graft it in there's about a 20% chance"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "that it'll take and if it does take"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "there's about an 18month to 24month"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "window that we won't know if you're"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "going to get full function back and I"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "said well you know"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:41", "text": ">> I want to get healthy I want to get over"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "to devroup I've got these career"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "milestones that I want to hit. What I"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "don't want to do is be stuck for two"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "years potentially like not being able to"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "train and not knowing if I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "get function back."}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:53", "text": ">> Well, at this point, so that the ankle"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "the ankle can move eversion and"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "inversion that's that's like this, but"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "then there's planter flexion and dorsal"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "flexion and after the fact seeing you"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "walk around like you obviously have"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "those things. Did you know at the time"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "that you could still walk normal, that"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "you could still push off your toe and"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "that you could still walk heel to toe by"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "pulling your toes up? So I by the time"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "we did the nerve conduction test, I knew"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "that I could push down and push up, you"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "know, planter flexion and dorsif"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "flexion. I knew my foot worked that way,"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "but when I went to plantar flex or like"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "push off of my foot, the outside of the"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "foot would roll."}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": ">> And I kept trying to control that and"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "and you know, lift the outside of my"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "foot or adjust the way that I was"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "stepping. and they put me in a number of"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "different um what they call dorsif flex"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "assist braces, which is just a brace"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "that goes in my shoe and runs up the"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "length of my calf and helps my foot"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "lift. It can't lift on its own."}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": ">> Uh but that's a temporary thing, right?"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "I don't want to wear that forever. I"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "don't want to lose function. And so I"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "had a really uh phenomenal orthopedic"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "surgeon called Dr. Joel Stewart and he"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "came in and he said, \"Look, there's this"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "other thing that I think we can do, this"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "other surgery that I think we can"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "perform that's going to give you this"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "function back.\" He's like, \"It's not a"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "surgery that really has been tested, but"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "I think it'll work.\" And he said, \"I"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "think if we take your flexoralis longest"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "tendon, your FHL tendon from under your"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "big toe, and we post it to your cuboid"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "bone, which is a bone on the outside of"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "my foot. I think that by thinking about"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "pushing down your big toe, you will be"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "able to ever lift the outside of your"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": ">> So basically just bypass the whole"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "mechanism all together just like add a"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "little strap of support."}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:33", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:34", "text": ">> That's cool."}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:34", "text": ">> That's exactly it. And so I am"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "conceptualizing as he's telling me this"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "and I'm like so okay big toe tendon is"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "going to come off come around the back"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "of my foot get screwed into my cuboid"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "bone. It's going to get sutured together"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "with the tendons that are still there"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "intact but aren't getting nerve input."}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "So it has a little bit of robustness."}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": ">> And then I'm gonna learn to lift my foot"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "by thinking about pushing my big toe"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "down. Push big toe down. Foot comes up."}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "And every step I'm going to think about"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "pushing my big toe down and the outside"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "of my foot."}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:05", "text": ">> Ah, that makes sense why you were"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "talking about when I run my my toes grab"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "the ground. Keeps you from rolling your"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "ankle. To this day, I like and it's"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "subconscious now, right? It's been so"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "many steps and so many miles that but it"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "still happens. Like I naturally think"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "about gripping the ground with my toes,"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "pushing down to lift my foot than when I"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "step. And it just is something that my"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "body does now. And this was one of the"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "really incredible things that I found"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "throughout, you know, as I was trying"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "not to be too pessimistic about losing"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "my career possibly or not being able to"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "walk, right? Is just how phenomenal the"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "body is at like, hey, we don't have"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "these pathways, these Venus pathways to"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "get blood to your foot anymore. We're"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "just going to reroute it and send it"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "over here. And so, you know, you see"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "some new vascularity on the inside of"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "the calf and some other different"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "things. I'm like, okay, the body's"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "adjusting. It's sending things, new"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "neural pathways. Uh, you know, that the"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "nerve damage of my superficial paranal"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "nerve affected the sensation on the tops"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "of a lot of my toes, but then new new"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "neural pathways developed that allowed"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "me to move those toes independently."}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "And uh, and so you experience this"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "regeneration or this creation of new"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "pathways. And that was something that"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "was really, I guess, incredible for me"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "to see. It wasn't something you do"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "consciously, right? My body is just"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "like, \"Hey, we need to get sensation"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "back there. We're going to create these"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "new things.\""}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:25", "text": ">> Well, your your conscious decision"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "though was to keep doing it."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:28", "text": ">> Keep doing"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:29", "text": ">> because because if you don't use it, you"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "lose it, right? So the doctor can"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "perform this this very intelligent,"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "creative surgery that could give you the"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "opportunity to walk normal again. um you"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "know through an through a like I said"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "very creative way of getting it done but"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "if you didn't walk like if you didn't"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "regularly get on your feet then there's"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "no reason for your body to inervate the"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "area there's no reason for your body to"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "add new capillaries and and then it also"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "doesn't become like a normal thing for"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "you to if I'm going to walk I push my"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "toe down therefore I don't roll my"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "ankles every time I step on something"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "strange."}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:05", "text": ">> Yeah. And I and I think that's that's a"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "lesson that carries over into a lot of"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "other things is like if you just expect"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "things to happen without you going out"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "and putting the work in, you're fooling"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "yourself."}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:15", "text": ">> I agree that there's all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "applications of this lesson, but we are"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "not through the story. And this is so"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "important to me because"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:24", "text": ">> this was six years into your career. You"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "just retired after a 22year career."}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": ">> So what happened"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "afterwards? you I'm I'm assuming like"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "many people that when you hear this"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "story when anybody listening is hearing"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "this story"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": ">> we're now celebrating hooray Gus gets to"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "walk again but that's not really how it"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "ends you don't just get to walk"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:51", "text": ">> you do so much more for better or worse"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "I became very singularly focused after"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "the injury right you know before I was"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "dedicated in my career there were things"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "I wanted to do I had goals"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "um you know, but I was also married at"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "the time and I kind of had other things"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "going on in my life. After the injury, I"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "really became like as it was like"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "blinders to every other facet of my life"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "and all I wanted to think about was"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "going to physical therapy, getting back"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "to good, getting back to the point where"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "not only could I walk, but I could go"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "pass this very rigorous physical"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "screening test to be able to get over to"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "the selection process to get to"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "development group. And so for me, that"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "was allconsuming."}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "Uh and I had a phenomenal team of"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "physical therapists who kept motivating"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "me. And I think one of the things for me"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "that was the biggest motivational factor"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "was the attitude of my teammates,"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "current and former who there was never a"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "moment of doubt, you know, when they had"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "seen my injury, they saw what I went"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "through. But every time I would talk to"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "one of them, it wasn't like, oh well,"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "you know, I hope you're okay, or oh, I"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "hope you get to walk again. It was, when"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "do we get you back? When are you going"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "to be back in the team? When are you"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "going to be back in the train? When are"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "you going to be ready to deploy? And"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "that to me was very motivational because"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "it's like there's never a doubt for"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "these guys, right? These are guys I went"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "through hell week with. These are guys I"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "graduated buds with. These are guys I"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "deployed with. And for them it was just"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "like we want you back. We believe in"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "you. We know you're strong enough to get"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "through this. So let's get it done. And"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "you know that changes your mindset about"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "things. in the moments that I was maybe"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "had had some doubt in my own mind, I"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "knew that like my teammates and my"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "friends didn't have those same doubts or"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "if they did, they just weren't willing"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "to acquies to them. You know what I"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "mean? So that was uh in in stark"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "contrast to a lot of my friends and"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "family were outside of the Navy who were"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "like, why don't you just retire? Like"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "you've given enough this injury, it was"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "a close call. you know, you you went"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "forward, you served your country, maybe"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "just hang it up now. And so, it was"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "interesting to me to sort of juxtapose"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "those two ideas about what comes next"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "for me."}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": ">> And I I was really happy that I had"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "support on both sides, but I knew that"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "all I wanted to do was get back. And in"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "my mind, you go through those moments"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "and I just think to myself, like, this"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "can't be how my career ends. My career"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "doesn't end with a giant bloody hole in"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "my leg, flying on a medevac helicopter"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "to a hospital. And that's not the last"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "thing that I do as an operational Navy"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "Seal. And so I was very focused on"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "getting back."}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "Um 10 months roughly after my injury, I"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "rescreened for the selection process for"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "Naval Special Warfare Development Group."}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "uh got picked up, passed the screen"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "test, and actually in that 10 months, I"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "cut a minute and a half off my three"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "mile run time after my injury from what"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "my run had been before. And uh up to the"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "day I retired, I joked with my uh my PT"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "at the command about that. He's like"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "he's like, \"We must have made you more"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "aerodynamic or something by taking that"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "piece of your leg out cuz you got fat.\""}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:54", "text": ">> It was that dog on tendon around the"}, {"end": "00:34:59", "start": "00:34:55", "text": ">> It was no something in there was slowing"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "me down. Um, but I, you know, I think"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "number one, it was that they were"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "training me intelligently the right way,"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "which is a testament to having somebody"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "who knows the right modalities and how"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "to get you back. And it wasn't just"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "like, it was like I went from hospital"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "bed to screening for an elite segment of"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "Navy Seals in 10 months. Like from not"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "knowing if I would walk again to being"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "able to complete this extremely rigorous"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "uh physical screening test."}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:24", "text": ">> Were you there in the moment? Like did"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "you realize that when you were screening"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "for Seal Team 6? Did you realize 10"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "months ago I was in this thing and this"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "is kind of astonishing or were you so"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "singularly focused you were like screen"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "and pass screen and pass screen and pass"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "done. Next, next objective, next"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "objective, next objective like how how"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "did your brain work? There was a moment"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "when I finished the three-mile time run"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "and the instructors gave me the time and"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "I took stock of the fact that I was"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "almost a full minute and a half faster"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "than I had run a year prior prior to the"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "injury"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "and and you know I was proud of myself"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "in that moment but I was also was kind"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "of astounded that in that short of a"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "period of time that this was able to"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "happen and you know I think you"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "experience a number of emotions. Number"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "one, I'm happy that I passed the screen"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "test because in your mind that's a"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "doubt, right? Is like this is the thing"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "I want to do. This the whole reason I"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "dedicated myself to coming back. If I"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "fail, that's big. Um, but then number"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "two was just a feeling of tremendous"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "gratitude to the orthopedic surgeon who"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "took a chance on a surgery that wasn't"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "really that was predominantly untested"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "on my physical therapists who were like,"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "\"Hey, this is what we need to do.\" And"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "I'm telling you, like I spent maybe the"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "first two or three weeks of physical"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "therapy just scrunching a towel with my"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "toes to make sure that my toes worked. I"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "couldn't do anything else. So it's like"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "they would flatten out a hand towel and"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "I would put my foot on it and I would"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "scrunch it up, scrunch it up, scrunch it"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "up and like maddeningly slow and then"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "reset and then reset the towel. And and"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "it was just like in the first couple"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "iterations of that I couldn't do it."}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:01", "text": ">> My toes wouldn't work the way I wanted."}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "one was kind of doing this and these"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "other ones were sort of frozen in limbo"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "and it's just like"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:09", "text": ">> more humbling nothing more"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:11", "text": ">> toes you know and uh and then to 10"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "months later you know be able to perform"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "this physical test"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "so yeah a lot of gratitude at people who"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "were willing to it wasn't just my"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "frustrating hours I mean for my pts too"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "and Alex you probably know this when"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "you're working with with a client who's"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "in a tough situation you have to have a"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "tremendous amount of patience"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "and you have to care a whole lot about"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "that person to see them through those"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "hours. Um, so yeah, I have always felt"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "an amazing amazing amount of gratitude"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "to my physical therapists and to the"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "whole team that worked with me. And you"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "know, one of the guys who was uh one of"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "my physical therapists left, he has a"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "job in the NFL now. He's still a very"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "very good friend. my orthopedic surgeon,"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "did my tendon transfer surgery and then"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "did my did my tendon transfer surgery on"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "his last day in the O as a Navy surgeon"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "before he went into private practice."}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "So, he was like on his way out of the"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "Navy and he didn't just take kick it to"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "another doctor and be like, \"This is my"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "last day. I'm out.\" He was like, \"We're"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "going to do this surgery this morning"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "and this is my last day in the Navy.\""}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "And yeah, so you you realize in those"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "moments like how much it like it takes a"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "team of, you know, so I would love to"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "sit here and take credit and be like, I"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "got myself back on my feet. I took that"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "challenge and kicked it in the ass, but"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "it was like a whole bunch of people who"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "really knew what they were doing and"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "cared a whole bunch about me and a bunch"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "of teammates who were incredibly"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "supportive to put me back in the right"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "mindset and and get me going in the"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "right direction. There's this saying in"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "one of my kids children books. It's the"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "Lorax. It's the end of the Lorax."}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:47", "text": ">> Um, and there's this statement in there"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "that says, \"Unless someone cares a whole"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "awful lot, nothing is going to change.\""}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:57", "text": ">> It's not."}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:38:59", "text": ">> And every time I read that, it freezes"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "me in my tracks. Right. But what you"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "have described in this entire story"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:05", "text": ">> is people who care. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:08", "text": ">> PT who care, doctors who care, teammates"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "who care, you care,"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:15", "text": ">> and we haven't delved into the details"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "with your family and everything else."}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "They all cared,"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:19", "text": ">> right? But the thing that's amazing to"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "me is"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:23", "text": ">> how many people would have just caved."}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:26", "text": ">> That would have been crushing news. The"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "the way you tell this story, if you were"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "emotionally crushed,"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:34", "text": ">> Mhm. It could be counted in hours, not"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "days, not weeks, not years."}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:42", "text": ">> You made a decision and then you had a"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "new singular focus. And like you said,"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "for well or for ill and as I'm sure"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "plays out, there are both well and ill"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "aspects of a singular focus like that."}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "But you then went on to spend 16 years"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "serving in the most elite unit of the"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "Navy Seals,"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:02", "text": ">> retiring after 22 years of service."}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "And in the first, what is that? The"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "first fifth of your career. Yeah. You"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "took what was a terrible combat wound."}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:40:27", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "And then, bless her heart, my my mother"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "endured 16 years after me getting shot"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:27", "text": "of every time I deployed, worrying about"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "that it was going to happen again. And,"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "you know, I used to joke and be"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "light-hearted with her and be like,"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "\"Nobody gets shot twice.\""}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:36", "text": ">> And she didn't think that was as funny"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "as I thought it was. But, you know, it's"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "those it's again, it's that support"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "network. There was never uh a negative"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "moment even. And I know that she, you"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "know, it's when she came to my"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "retirement, I could almost hear the"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "audible sigh of relief that it's it's"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "over, you know,"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:52", "text": ">> but she never spoke a discouraging word."}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "She never said anything like, \"Why don't"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "you just stop? Why do you have to do"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "this?\" You know, you know what you put"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "me through. There was never that. It was"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "always like, \"Okay, you know, I laugh"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "cuz she used to every time I was getting"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "ready to deploy, she would say, be"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "safe.\" And I said, \"Well, that's not the"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "inherent nature of what we do. I'll do"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "within within the constraints of my job."}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "I'll be as safe as I can be. Um, but I"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "do, you know, I do think about that and"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "there's really not a day that goes by"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "that I don't think about how many people"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "supported and made the next 16 years"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "which were far and away the most"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "productive, most rewarding, most"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "operational, most learning, developing"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "years of my SEAL career. And it wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "have been possible without that core"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "group of people who got me through that"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "moment, you know, and there were some"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "dark days. I am I am incredibly"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "impressed with you. I am incredibly"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "impressed with"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:48", "text": ">> the community that must exist within"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "Navy Seals that the rest of us don't"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "even know about."}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": ">> Right? We'll never see it. We'll never"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "feel it. We'll never understand it."}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "We'll we'll hear about it and never be"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "able to conceptualize it. What you must"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "actually have inside that group. But I"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "am also blown away by the human [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "body."}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:08", "text": ">> Mhm. that the body could be could"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "self-rep, could recreate, could be"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "treated like a machine that connects a"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "tendon across a foot and be trained"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "again to work at an elite level."}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:23", "text": ">> Think about how many people give up on"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "elite with totally functioning bodies."}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:27", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:27", "text": ">> you didn't give up on elite and you"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "basically had to jury rig a ner a vein,"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "a a tendon across the bottom of your"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "foot and there's still a a pretty"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "sizable hole there. One of the things"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "that I think brought it full circle for"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "me was like I said I I was studying"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "kinesiology,"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "nutrition and and basically like when I"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "was in college I wanted to be then where"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "like Alex is now. So 911 changed that"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "for me. I came into the Navy, but to be"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "sort of the enduser, the recipient of"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "care of people who were doing the"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "profession that I wanted to do and how"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "like their dedication, their"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "professional knowledge, their ability to"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "take me, train me intelligently and get"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "me from hospital gurnie to dev group"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "ready in 10 months. I think is a"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "testament to those people, how much they"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "care and how good they are at their job,"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "right? And that's something I've been"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "able to see since coming on with"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "Everyday Spy when I, you know, when we"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "hear from the people who Alex is"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "training who are changing their lives,"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "who are losing, would you say that one"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "client of yours lost 40 pounds or"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "something like that."}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:31", "text": ">> And I think maybe those people don't"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "know in this moment,"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:35", "text": ">> but in a year or two or 10, they'll"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "reflect on this and be like, man, Alex"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "cared about me so much and knew his job"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "so well. M"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:44", "text": ">> and that to me is is you know that was"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "the thing I guess maybe that I was"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "probably hoping for when I was down that"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "course of study years before I came into"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "the Navy. Um but it's very rewarding to"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "have gone through it, you know, as the"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "patient and then to see somebody on the"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "other end doing that job extremely well."}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:01", "text": ">> I want to get into some final thoughts"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "because this has been just an incredible"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "story and there's a lot to reflect and"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "chew on in this. Not the least of which"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "is just trying to think what it must"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "have been like to be you. What it must"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "have been like from the moment that you"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "felt your boot filling with with"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "moisture."}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:19", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:20", "text": ">> That you had to assume was blood in the"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "middle of a firefight"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "all the way through to the the"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "realization that you were wounded and"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "two of your brothers had died. And then"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "the realization of seeing the wound and"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "and on and on and the rehabilitation"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "coming off of the meds and what it must"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "have been like to have to do that to"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "have to see that towel not scrunch up"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "when it was supposed to scrunch up."}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "There's so much there to chew on and"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "reflect on. But what I really want to do"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "is just get final thoughts on what was"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "the most important piece of this that"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "you would want someone else to take with"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "them if this is the only 40 minutes they"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "get to think about this. What is the one"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "thing you want them walking away"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "thinking about? Alex, I'm going to kick"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "it to you first."}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:04", "text": ">> I would say that in the health and"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "fitness world, often people think it's"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "all about their own willpower and"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "discipline. And both of those things are"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "incredibly important, as illustrated in"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "your story, but but you cannot discount"}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "the power of a community that cares for"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "the best in you. And like when we do"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "what we're doing in everyday spy with"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "like spy fit challenges and individuals"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "come in and they have a group of people"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "who are working toward the same goal and"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "they support one another and they'll"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "that you know that the exercise is"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "intelligent, the nutrition is"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "intelligent, the program is powerful. I"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "hope so. I made it. But but the but the"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "community the change that people are"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "seeing they will regularly say it's"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "because you guys want me to succeed."}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:51", "text": ">> That they'll do it when they they can't."}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "and and that's illustrated just"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "throughout your story and I I love that"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "you're humble enough to say like I mean"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "I worked my butt off but yeah"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:01", "text": ">> there were a lot of people in my corner."}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "So so for me that that would be the the"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "biggest thing that stands out for me is"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "that in health and fitness yeah your"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "willpower and discipline really matters."}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "The intelligence of your program really"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "matters but having people in your corner"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "who who support your endeavor and"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "believe the best for you"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": ">> that is gamechanging."}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "Final thoughts, Gus?"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:23", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean, I think Alex nailed it. I"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "agree with him 100%. And I think if I"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "had to throw something in secondary to"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "that, I think it's having the right"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "mindset around whatever you're doing."}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "Recognizing that the community is"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "helping you, be able to lean on those"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "people. Have a good mindset about who"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "you are and what you're capable of. And"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "just don't let yourself get into that"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "mode of seeing no matter how bad"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "circumstances get, just don't let"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "yourself get in that mindset of like,"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "I'm done. There's no getting over this."}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "this is the obstacle that stops me. Um"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "because for me that definitely could"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "have been it. I mean that was the"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "hardest injury certainly but maybe one"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "of the hardest moments or a couple of"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "months that I've ever had to go through."}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "Um but you know you overcome it with"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "community and with mindset and just keep"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "on driving."}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "I'm never disappointed anytime we talk"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "and I'm always blown away at what the"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "two of you can bring to the table in"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "terms of knowledge and courage and just"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "the tenacity to get through what you"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "guys have gotten through. Especially"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "when I reflect on my own life and the"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "the very relative ease of my life in"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "contrast to what you guys have been"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "through, what you have dealt with and"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "what you have learned."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Do you see Saudi Arabia becoming a sort"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "of similar ally to the United States?"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Because I I certainly mean I'm I'm a big"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "sports fan and I know Saudi Arabia is"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "sort of monopolizing sport. They've just"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "partnered up with Dana White from the"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "UFC and uh they they pretty much own all"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "the rights to to to boxing now. I think"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "eventually all the boxing managers will"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "become obsolete and they'll all answer"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "to Turkey Alche who's running the"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "entertainment there. Um, but Saudi"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "Arabia, I keep I could be way off the"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "mark with this, by the way, but I seem"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "to see a lot of collaborations, let"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "call, let's call them, with other"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "countries and and Saudi Arabia. Do you"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "see anything materializing there given"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "their footprint in the Middle East? So,"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "I think what Saudi Arabia has done"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "really well is they've been a close ally"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "of the United States and they have been"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "a massive geopolitical player in the"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "Middle East for decades without anybody"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "really noticing. Um, if you're from the"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "Middle East, you know that Saudi Arabia"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "is a power player, right? UAE defers to"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "to Saudi Arabia. Qatar defers to Saudi"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Arabia. Bahrain defers everybody defers"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "to Saudi Arabia. The conflict in the"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Middle East is really between Saudi"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "Arabia and Iran. Those are the two power"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "players. Israel is outside of that,"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "right? It's really Sunni Islam versus"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "versus Shia Islam. That is the major"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "conflict in the Middle East. So, the"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "fact that we're just now kind of"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "catching up because of the changes that"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "MBZ is doing throughout uh um uh or the"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "Prince is doing throughout Saudi Arabia."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "We're all waking up to the fact that"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "Saudi Arabia"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "has more clout and power than we"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "imagined as they change their internal"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "policies, as they become more open to uh"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "foreign travelers, to hospitality, to"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "resorts, you know, etc. Like that's a"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "good move in large part because these"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "oil rich countries are trying to find a"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "way to prepare themselves for the next"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "century. They know their oil is going to"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "run out. I think UAE is anticipating"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "that they have about 45 years left of"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "oil. I think Saudi Arabia is"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "anticipating that they have about 70"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "years worth of oil. Then what? Right?"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "These are these are multi-billion dollar"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "oil fields like huge economies that have"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "developed a social dependence on their"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "crude oil on their their natural"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "resources. If they don't have something"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "planned for the next generation, they're"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "just going to go broke. and they're"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "going to go right back to being bedwins"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "as fast as they went from being bedwins"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "to being oil rich. So, that's a very"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "long answer to say. I think we will see"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "Saudi Arabia continue to grow in impact"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "and power. Um, I think it's still"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "exploring what it's going to use to be"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "that future wealth. Maybe it's going to"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "be professional athletics. UAE has been"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "exploring AI and robotics. So, but these"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "are both oil richch collegi Arab"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "countries that are trying to build a"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "pathway to future wealth when their oil"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "runs out."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> It's not a bad uh bad option sport and"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "entertainment because I suppose that's"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "going to be around for for a long period"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "of time. Sort of going back to to Israel"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "now. Um and I'll kind of step away from"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "the geopolitics discussion"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "as I see this question. I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "it's been put to you before, but I've"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "seen it been put to others. So I kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "want to get your take on it. So"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "obviously Mossad have infiltrated Iran,"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "the nuclear bases um at great precision,"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "it would would you could argue. Um and"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "everything seems to the star seems to"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "have aligned for them to to do operation"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "golden lion. Is that what they called"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "it? How come they missed the boat so"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "much on um October 7th with Hamas and"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "Palestine? What's your Did they just"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "literally drop the ball or have they"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "been fixated on bigger operations?"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "It's my assessment that they dropped the"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "ball. People People forget that"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "defending the homeland is very different"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "than executing conflict abroad."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "Defending the homeland is technically"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "and bureaucratically slow. Consider what"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "happened on October 7th. The border that"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "was under protection that was ultimately"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "attacked, the actual areas were under"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "IDF control. So it was the Israeli"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "Defense Force, the military that was"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "charged with protecting the perimeter."}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Shinbet is their internal intelligence"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "wing. Shinbet's job is to collect"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "intelligence on any sort of threat to"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "the homeland within the homeland."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "Simultaneously, you have MSAD. MSAD is"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "the external intelligence branch. Their"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "job is to collect intelligence from"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "abroad that has implications on"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "protecting the homeland. In order for an"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "attack like October 7th to happen,"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "either"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "somebody has to make a mistake between"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "those three organizations or"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "conspiracy has to happen and they have"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "to look the other way while a"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "devastating attack happens. I understand"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "the appeal that most people have to"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "believing it's a conspiracy, but"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "probability wise, somebody just [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "up. Somebody saw something. Somebody saw"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "suspicious activity. They saw practice"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "drills. They saw the leadup of an"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "attack. They escalated up their chain of"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "command. And somewhere up the chain of"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "command, it didn't get relayed or it"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "didn't get validated or it got lost in"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "the shuffle. And then an attack"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "happened. And then the only people who"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "could respond to the attack were the"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "IDF. Not MSADA, not Shinbet, right? And"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "then after all the disaster, all the"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "tragedy occurred, which was in a moment,"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "right? After all the tragedy occurred,"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "only then do we start pointing fingers"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "and coming up with reasons that help us"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "justify how this could have possibly"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "happened. Right? What people don't"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "consider is the fact that every day"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "since Israel's existence, prior to"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "October 7th, nothing like that had"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "happened before. So that doesn't mean"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "they had never tried. It means they were"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "never successful. CIA believes that all"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "people are born with a spy secret"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "superpower. For some people that means"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "they can win deals. For others, they can"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "spot liars. Some can even seduce lovers."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "I built a free 3inut test to help reveal"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "to you exactly what your secret hidden"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "superpower is. All you have to do is"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "click on the link in the description"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "below. Take the test and start using"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "your spy superpower to stay ahead of 99%"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "of people. So, every day of success that"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "the IDF and MSAD and Shinbet had to"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "their credit suddenly disappeared"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "because there was one day where"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "something didn't happen right. something"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "was broken and that day an attack"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "happened. It is the same story with"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "9/11. It was very difficult for CIA and"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "FBI and and FAA to all cooperate and all"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "share information and all communicate"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "before a terrible tragic attack"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "happened. It doesn't mean that that this"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "was the only time a tragic attack was"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "planned. There were many tragic attacks"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "that got shut down before they ever saw"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "the light of day, but nobody talks about"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "those. What we talk about is when the"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "actual event happens. So, I think that"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "we're going to see that they change some"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "internal processes in Israel. But we're"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "also seeing now that to make up for the"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "loss of face, to make up for the loss of"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "reputation on October 7th. That's why I"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "think we see MSAD so brazen in their"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "their unique attacks using the pagers,"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "their attacks with a drone base across"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "the Iranian border, right? Like their"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "constant air incursions, their their"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "complete obliteration of Hezbollah and"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Hamas. like this. This is what we're"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "seeing is them trying to both secure"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "their borders but also save some of that"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "face."}]

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A nudge from solar"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "wind, a tap from another asteroid, or a"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "simple miscalculation is all it would"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "take. We already know where it would"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "hit. We know what would happen. Apous is"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "coming. And it's a killer."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "we're waiting. Yeah, human. Thank"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "goodness. It's an emergency."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": ">> You didn't give anyone a blurpous palmer"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "again, did you? That guy from hole four"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "still thinks he's a lizard."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Yeah, he may believe he's a gecko now."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "Uh, but the guy can drain a 10-footer"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "while licking his own eyeball."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Listen, human. I'm five under par with"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "low blood sugar and he wants 16 bucks"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "for a hot dog."}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": ">> Start bringing your own snacks."}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": ">> I did. Wyatt ate everything on Whole"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "Three. 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I'll be swimming in barbecue"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "sauce."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": ">> Oh, I got to go. Chad's lining up his"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "shot. If he sinks it, I lose the visor,"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "the parking spot, and my key to the"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "executive ball washer."}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": ">> Sounds fancy."}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:09", "text": ">> It's not. It's Steve. He smells like"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "cinnamon and calls everyone captain."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "The story begins on June 19th, 2004. Two"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "astronomers at Kit Peak Observatory"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "found a faint dot moving against the"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "stars. They logged it as 2004 MN4 and"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "went back to work. Within weeks,"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "observatories around the world were"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "tracking it. The more data they"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "collected, the more concerned they"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "became. This asteroid's path looked like"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "it might intersect with Earth's."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "The picture got clearer and scarier. The"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "asteroid was big, 1480 ft long, larger"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "than the Empire State Building. In"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "December, scientists made a shocking"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "announcement. 2004 MN4 had a 2.7% chance"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "of hitting Earth on April 13th, 2029, a"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "1 in 37 chance of impact."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "67 million tons of rock and metal were"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "roaring toward us at 19 m/s. The"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "asteroid was officially named Apous, the"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Egyptian serpent god of darkness and"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "destruction."}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "It was rated a four on the Torino scale."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Yeah, Torino scale. Uh, the Clintes"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "would have bet that. No, no. The Torino"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "scale measures the hazard of an impact."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": ">> Ah, that makes more sense."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": ">> A zero on the Torino scale means no"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "threat. A 10 means no planet. Even a"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "four is a concern. Apous was the first"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "object in history to reach that level."}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "This was bad. The media went wild."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "Headlines screamed about the god of"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "chaos. Cable news ran countdown clocks."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": ">> Were countdown clocks more accurate than"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "their election predictions?"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:05:00", "text": ">> No."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:00", "text": ">> Uh-huh. But scientists worked around the"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "clock. In 2005, they announced Apous"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "would miss the Earth. But they found a"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "new problem. A region in space about"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "half a mile wide. If Apous passes"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "through it, the chance of impact on the"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "next pass isn't 2.7%."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "It's 100%."}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "Jet Propulsion Laboratory at 3:00 a.m."}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "looks abandoned. Most buildings are"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "dark."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "But in the Center for Near-Earth Object"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Studies, Marsha Singh stares at her"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "monitor. She's running the Yarovsky"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "drift calculations for the third time."}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "Solar radiation pressure on rotating"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "asteroids causes tiny changes in orbit."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Tiny changes that add up over decades."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": ">> This can't be right."}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": ">> The numbers came back wrong again."}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "Apous isn't following its predicted"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "path. The deviation is small, 0.003\u00b0,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "but that's enough."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "The asteroid will thread Earth's"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "gravitational keyhole, a 1200 ft region"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "of space that will bend Apothesis'"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "trajectory, bend it directly into Earth."}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "Outside, Los Angeles sleeps. 14 million"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "people who don't know they have 90 days"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "left."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "The impact models show Catalina Island"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "as ground zero."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": ">> Billy, check the path of 2004 MN4. Are"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "you seeing this?"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Hang on."}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:12", "text": ">> What are you going to do?"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "I have to call the president."}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:15", "text": ">> Marsha, go home. Be with your family."}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": ">> We now go to the White House where the"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "president is about to make an emergency"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "announcement."}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:28", "text": ">> My fellow Americans,"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "I speak to you now with a heavy heart."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> CBS News can now confirm that asteroid"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Apous will hit Earth on April 13th. This"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "is a Fox News alert. NASA says the"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "asteroid Apus will impact Earth on April"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "13th."}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Global preparations are underway."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": ">> APAS will hit near California on April"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "13th."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": ">> Coastal regions are urged to prepare for"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "immediate evacuation. The Department of"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Homeland Security has activated"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "emergency protocols."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:59", "text": ">> We've now entered the final phase. Apous"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "will strike Earth on April 13th. Prepare"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "accordingly."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "On Friday, April 13th, 2029, humanity"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "will witness something beautiful and"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "dangerous."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": ">> You sounds like my second wife."}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": ">> If you're going to interrupt me right at"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "the top, can you at least make the joke"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "a little less hacky?"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": ">> You're the straight man. Leave the"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "comedy to the professional. Huh?"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": ">> Apous will pass just 19,300 m from"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "Earth's surface. That's closer than our"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "communication satellites. For millions"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "of people in the Eastern Hemisphere, it"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "will appear at sunset, a bright point of"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "light as bright as any star. But this"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "star will be moving fast. So fast you'll"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "see it cross the sky in real time. From"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "the ground, the event will be a"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "spectacle. But for Apous, the flyby will"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "be violent. As it passes, Earth's"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "gravity will grab it, squeeze it, and"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "twist it. These tidal forces could"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "trigger landslides and quakes on the"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "asteroid surface, changing its path."}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "This brings us to the keyhole. A"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "gravitational keyhole is a small region"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "of space. For Apous, it's only about"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "2,000 ft wide. If the asteroid passes"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "through it in 2029, Earth's gravity"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "becomes a slingshot. It'll pull the"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "asteroid back to where it started for a"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "guaranteed impact on April 13th, 2036,"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Easter Sunday. Current calculations"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "based on years of radar data from"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "Goldstone and Araibo show Apous will"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "miss the keyhole barely unless something"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "changes. And that's what makes Apous so"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "dangerous. It's not solid rock. It's a"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "collection of boulders and dust held"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "together by gravity. And it's not a"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "sphere. It's shaped like a skyscraper."}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "So it has no primary axis. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "rotate. It tumbles. This chaotic motion"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "makes subtle forces almost impossible to"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "predict. The most important thing is the"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "Aarovsky effect. The sun heats one side"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "of the asteroid. As it tumbles, that"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "heat radiates back into space and this"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "creates thrust."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": ">> Hold on. Hold on. Not everybody is Mike"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "the Grass Tyson."}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": ">> That's That's not how does that make"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "thrust?"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:12", "text": ">> Well, the heat causes gas to vent, which"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "creates the thrust."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Ah, now I get it. I can also create"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "thrust by venting gas."}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": ">> Pardon me. Classy."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "This is just a tiny push. About the"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "weight of an apple. A tiny push is"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "hardly noticeable. But over millions of"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "miles, it can change in orbit. NASA's"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "own measurements show it's already"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "drifting because of this effect. About"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "650 ft closer to us every year. Right"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "now, Apous is impossible to see. It's"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "lost in the glare of the sun. It won't"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "be visible again until 2027. And during"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "this blind spot, a small nudge from"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "another rock could alter its path"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "completely. And we would have just 2"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "years to recalculate everything. And 2"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "years to prepare for a city killer might"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "be enough. But sometimes we only get"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "hours. Sometimes city killers aren't"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "found until they fly by. In fact, this"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "happened last year."}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "The president hasn't been seen in 5"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "days. His last public appearance was the"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "announcement."}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:30", "text": ">> We have 90 days to solve this problem."}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "America's best minds are working on it."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": ">> Then he vanished. Official word, secured"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "at an undisclosed location. Everyone"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "knew that meant Cheyenne Mountain."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "Anyone who had the means to escape"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "didn't waste any time."}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": ">> Once the risk hit X, they were gone."}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "Politicians, celebrities, people you've"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "watched your whole life evacuated while"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "the highways jammed."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": ">> What we saw was an orderly panic among"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "the ultra wealthy. Beverly Hills emptied"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "almost overnight."}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": ">> It was Beverly Hills first. No surprise"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "there. Gulf Streams and Learjets lined"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "up like limos taking off every 90"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "seconds."}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": ">> The 405 is a graveyard of abandoned"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "vehicles. Families walked for days into"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "the Mojave."}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": ">> The poor headed to tent cities in"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "Nevada. Desert camps with no water, no"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "power, no plan, just distance from the"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "coast."}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": ">> Fuel ran out, roads clogged. Now tent"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "cities rise like new towns. Only no one"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "planned them."}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": ">> 3 million people have fled Los Angeles"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "in just 14 days. 3 million people gone"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "in two weeks. Gas hit $47 a gallon. Then"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "the stations just closed. The tanker"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "drivers stopped showing up. Why deliver"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "fuel for worthless paper?"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": ">> Markets remain volatile as the Apous"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "timeline advances. Commodities like"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "iodine tablets, fuel, and food stocks"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "have surged in value."}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": ">> The new currency is water, ammunition,"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "and insulin. A vial of insulin costs"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "three gallons of water if you can find"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "We all got to watch Apous grow larger in"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "the sky. A red star visible during"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "daylight, getting bigger every day."}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "Suicide hotline stopped answering. Too"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "many calls. Not enough volunteers. The"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "volunteers had their own lives to worry"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "about."}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": ">> Apous, prepare for the light."}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:19", "text": ">> Religious movements started sprouting"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "up."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": ">> As the world edges closer to impact,"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "religious fervor has surged. The church"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "of the final days and the apos witnesses"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "have emerged offering hope and salvation"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "for those who believe."}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": ">> Guide us."}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": ">> When official authorities dissolved, the"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "local population took control."}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": ">> The Los Angeles Police Department"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "dissolved last week. Over half the force"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "simply didn't show up. The chain of"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "command collapsed overnight."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": ">> The 405 belongs to the Crips now. Their"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "blue flags fly over improvised"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "roadblocks. They're not attacking rival"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "crews. They're screening vehicles and"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "controlling movement. Crips and Serenos"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "are distributing food, rationing"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "medicine, even setting curfews. Ma'am,"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "it's not safe to be out. If you need"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "anything, check with me."}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": ">> What used to be gang turf in Los Angeles"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "has now hardened into checkpoint states."}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "Neighborhoods that once feared violence"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "are now relying on it for structure."}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "Call them gangs, call them militias, but"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "right now they're the only thing"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "resembling law and order in the city of"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "Los Angeles."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": ">> Society didn't collapse, it reorganized"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "itself. The powerful fled, the poor"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "waited, and Apous kept coming."}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "While some astronomers celebrated,"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "another rock caused global panic. In"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "late 2024, asteroid 2024 YR4 became the"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "most dangerous object in modern history."}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "A building sized rock. Its impact"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "probability kept climbing 1.5%, then"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "2.8%."}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "Then over 3%. That threat prompted China"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "to establish its first ever planetary"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "defense unit. They're recruiting"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "astrophysicists under age 35. Their 2030"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "mission will try to deflect asteroid"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "2015 XF261"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "using a dual spacecraft approach. One to"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "impact, another to evaluate the results."}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "International cooperation is growing"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "because the truth is we have no idea"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "what's coming. NASA estimates there are"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "25,000 city killers crossing our orbit."}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "They've only found half. 13,500 are"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "still out there somewhere completely"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "hidden."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:40", "text": ">> Somewhere completely hidden, huh? Uh,"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "you mean like the moon landing tapes?"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:46", "text": ">> This detection gap creates nightmare"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "scenarios. In 2019, asteroid 2019, okay,"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "was found. It's 400 ft wide. It was"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "spotted less than 24 hours its closest"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "approach. It missed Earth by only 40,000"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "mi. A direct hit would have released 30"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "megat tons of energy. That's 300 times"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "the size of the Hiroshima bomb. All with"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "less than a day's warning."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "The problem is the sun. Our telescopes"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "have to look away from the sun. Objects"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "approaching from that direction remain"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "invisible until they hit us. Like in"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "2013, the meteor that hit Chellyix."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "NASA's NEO surveyor telescope is set to"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "launch in 2027. It will finally close"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "this blind spot. It'll use infrared and"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "should find 90% of the remaining city"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "killers within 10 to 20 years. But until"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "then, we're defenseless against an"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "attack from the direction of the sun. To"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "understand how devastating that kind of"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "surprise can be, you don't even have to"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "look up. You can look down. Cuz buried"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "in a layer of sediment around the world"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "is evidence of an impact that reset"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "civilization."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "The last Chinook lifted off from UCLA"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "Medical Center at 6:00 a.m. Doctors"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "stood on the helellipad watching it"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "disappear. They had patients on"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "ventilators. Premature babies in"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "incubators. They were not leaving."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": ">> LAX has gone silent. No departures, no"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "arrivals, just grounded planes and"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "flickering monitors. The terminals are"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "empty now. The last jet out of LAX"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "lifted off at 217 p.m. united to Denver."}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "It was half full. Those who could afford"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "to leave already had."}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "Those who remained made their choice."}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "The elderly couple in Brentwood who'd"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "lived there 50 years. They sat on their"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "porch holding hands. They weren't"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "leaving either."}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:27", "text": ">> For those still in Los Angeles,"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "officials have confirmed that all"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "remaining power will be shut off today"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "at exactly noon. The blackout is"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "deliberate to reduce fire risk after the"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "strike."}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": ">> Please take this time to shelter and"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "remain off the streets."}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": ">> The power grid shut down at noon."}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Controlled shutdown to prevent fires"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "after impact."}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "The emergency alert system broadcasts"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "its final message."}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:54", "text": ">> Seek shelter. Stay away from windows."}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "God bless America. than static."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "Maggie Powers, an ICU nurse, writes her"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "patients names on their foreheads with a"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "Sharpie. She figures when the building"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "collapses, someone should know who they"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "are. She has 14 patients on ventilators."}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "The backup generators have 30 hours of"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "fuel. That means her patients only have"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "30 hours of life."}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "Animals flee inland. Coyotes run through"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "downtown. Birds fly east in massive"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "flocks."}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "Dogs howl constantly. Every animal"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "except humans understands what the"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "receding ocean means."}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": ">> Scientists warn this is not a tide. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "a gravitational response. Something"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "massive is pulling on the ocean."}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": ">> The Pacific has pulled back over 20 ft"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "since yesterday. Like it's holding its"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "breath. Entire reefs are exposed."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": ">> Seismographs are now detecting micro"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "quakes, gravitational pulses every 90"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "seconds. They're weak but rhythmic."}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": ">> Every 90 seconds, the Earth flinches."}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "Experts say it's the gravity of what's"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "coming, literally. And the ocean is"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "trying to warn us. The last text"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "messages go out before the cell towers"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "shut down. I love you is sent 847,000"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "times in Los Angeles County. Most"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "messages are never delivered."}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "Apous filled 3\u00b0 of sky. You could see it"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "tumbling end over end. A mountain in"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "space. The last thing 50 million people"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "would ever see."}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "12,800 years ago, Earth was emerging"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "from the last ice age. Temperatures were"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "warming. Massive ice sheets were"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "melting. Then suddenly, everything"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "reversed. A comet about 62 mi wide broke"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "apart and bombarded the planet. The"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "evidence is found in a thin layer of"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "rock found across four continents. The"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "younger dus boundary layer also referred"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "to as the black mat. The black mat"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "contains evidence called impact proxies."}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "Iridium, shocked quartz, nano diamonds,"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "microscopic sphules of melted rock. At"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "over 40 sites, the concentrations of"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "impact proxies are millions of times"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "above normal levels. All date back to"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "exactly 12,800 years ago. A series of"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "objects hit the North American ice"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "sheet, causing mass flooding. Continents"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "sank beneath the sea. The impacts"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "triggered global wildfires. Then came"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "the freeze."}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:32", "text": ">> Ooh, a song of ice and fire."}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:35", "text": ">> Yes, the freeze lasted 12,200 years."}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:38", "text": ">> That's how long it's going to take"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "George Martin to finish the books."}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:41", "text": ">> The devastation was total. Mammoths,"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "mastadons, saber-tooth cats, American"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "horses, all gone. 75% of North American"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "megapana went extinct. 2/3s of the human"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "population disappeared. The first"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "widespread human culture in North"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "America vanished from the archaeological"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "record. This wasn't climate change. This"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "wasn't over hunting. This was a"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "civilization reset. And comets are"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "different from asteroids and far more"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "dangerous. Asteroids follow predictable"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "paths. Comets arrive from the outer"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "solar system. They have long elliptical"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "orbits. so they can show up with little"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "warning and sometimes as little as six"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "months. As I write this, comet 3II Atlas"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "is headed our way. It was spotted a few"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "weeks ago. It'll make its closest"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "approach to Earth in December. That's"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "fast. So fast, there is not a thing we"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "can do but watch and wait. Asteroids hit"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "Earth at 19 ms. Comets come in at 45. A"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "comet delivers more than n times the"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "destructive power than an asteroid of"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "the same size. The most dangerous comet"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "we know is Swift Tuttle, 16 mi wide. A"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "land impact would release energy 27"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "times greater than the chick dinosaur"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "killer. One astronomer called it the"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "single most dangerous object known to"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "humanity. Now, despite what mainstream"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "scientists say, asteroids hit Earth all"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "the time. But what about comets? How"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "often do they hit us? Every 100 million"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "years? Every 10 million years? 1 million"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "years? Nope. Comets of all sizes hit the"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "Earth on average every 3 days."}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "The flash came first. The sky turns"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "white. Not bright. White."}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "Everything within a 100 miles ignites"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "simultaneously. The thermal pulse"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "travels at light speed. By the time your"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "brain understood the flash, your body"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "was already vapor. That's mercy."}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "instantaneous conversion from matter to"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "energy. The blast wave expanded at Mach"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "2, a wall of superheated air traveling"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "800 mph, it flattened everything from"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "San Diego to Bakersfield."}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": ">> The fireball climbed 60 m into the"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "atmosphere so high it pierced the"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "meosphere. It was visible from space."}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": ">> From Phoenix to Vegas, people saw it"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "light up the sky. It didn't look like"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "fire. It looked like a second sun. Then"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "the horizon vanished."}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:44", "text": ">> Is that"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "Los Angeles?"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "The temperature of the plume exceeded"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "10,000 degrees C. What erupted wasn't"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "smoke. It was Earth itself turned to"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "gas. Seven states were hit by ejecta. It"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "wasn't just ash. It was fragments of"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "Earth's crust fused and glowing. Some of"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "it traveled faster than sound."}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": ">> Chunks of vaporized ocean rose miles"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "into the sky, then hardened midair"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "before slamming down across the"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "southwest. Reports of burning fragments"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "came in from as far as Colorado. It"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "rained fire."}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:44", "text": ">> The earthquake was a 10.5 on the RTER"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "scale. The ground rippled like water."}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "Then silence."}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "People were too frightened to notice the"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "Pacific Ocean was moving."}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "Every year, our planet flies through"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "invisible minefields left by"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "disintegrating comets. We call them"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "meteor showers. We give them pretty"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "names. The Percieds, the Leonids, the"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "Geminids. But these aren't harmless"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "light shows. were flying through the"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "shattered remains of giant comets at 67"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "mph. And some of those fragments are"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "massive."}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "Remember Swift Tuttle, the most"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "dangerous object known to humanity? The"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "Percied meteor shower is caused by the"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "Earth flying through trillions of pieces"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "of debris from Swift Tuttle. Trillions."}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "And we're not just crossing one"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "minefield. We're crossing a dozen. The"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "Leonids can produce storms of hundreds"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "of thousands of meteors per hour. The"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "lids come from a comet 2 and 1/2 miles"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "wide. There are 12 or 13 meteor storms"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "every year, sometimes more."}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": ">> It takes the Earth several days to pass"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "through the torid meteor stream. It's so"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "big. The torid meteor stream is full of"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "filaments of debris. Some of those"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "filaments are very small debris. Some of"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "them are much larger debris and much"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "more dangerous. We pass through it twice"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "a year. I've likened it in the past to"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "strapping on a blindfold and crossing an"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "eight lane highway and just hoping that"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "you don't get hit by a truck."}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "The meteor shower that's most relevant"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "to us is the Torids. The debris field is"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "almost 20 million m wide. We cross it"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "every year. It has trillions of objects"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "that range from the size of grains of"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "sand to the size of cities. How many big"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "objects? Nobody knows. It could be 10."}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "It could be 100. the government doesn't"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "like to talk about it."}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:53", "text": ">> The government knew that they couldn't"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "do anything about it and they were"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "starting to get worried calls from their"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "constituents that what can we do about"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "these things? You got to do something"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "about it. You got to stop it and they"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "couldn't. So, what they decided to do"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "was to just pretend that it wasn't real."}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "They had the public fears about the"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "impacts. They decided to just deny,"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "deny, deny. Just say, \"Don't worry."}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "There's no problem. We've got it under"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "control when they didn't."}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": ">> The Tungusa event in 1908 happened"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "during the peak of the Torids. A"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "fragment just 200 ft wide exploded over"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "Siberia, flattening 80 million trees. If"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "that happened over New York, Paris, or"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "London, those cities would be gone."}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "But we don't really need to be hit by a"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "giant object to cause planetary chaos."}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "We don't have to be hit at all. Every"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "year, about 50 objects pass closer to"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "the Earth than our satellites. Losing"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "our satellites would the global"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "economy. Phone service, the internet,"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "the banking system, all gone. And that's"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "terrifying. But in 2022, for the first"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "time in history, humanity fought back."}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "The Pacific Ocean recoils from the"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "impact. 8 minutes ago, Apous punched a"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "12mile hole in the sea floor. The water"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "rushed in, hit molten rock, exploded"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "into steam. Now it's coming back."}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "What was once shoreline is now seabed."}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "Fish carcasses rot beneath a baking sun."}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "Downtown has four minutes left."}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "A tsunami of unimaginable scale, 150 m"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "high, is sweeping through Los Angeles."}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "Entire districts have been erased in"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "seconds."}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:08", "text": ">> The whole ocean is coming. Imagine a"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "skyscraper made of water moving at 450"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "mph. That's what hit Los Angeles this"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "afternoon. Entire neighborhoods are"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "gone. We are witnessing the unthinkable."}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "A wall of water over 500 ft high has"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "torn through Los Angeles, moving faster"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "than a commercial jetliner."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:26", "text": ">> The wall of water doesn't break. It"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "maintains its height."}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:30", "text": ">> What hit LA was no wave. It was a moving"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "cliff of ocean 150 m high, traveling"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "faster than fire."}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:36", "text": ">> I have to get to the roof. It tears"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "through the city at 200 mph, dragging"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "cars, homes, and people with it."}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:44", "text": ">> Mom"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "Initial estimates suggest tens of"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "millions are gone. Entire cities, entire"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "families simply vanished. We don't have"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "exact figures yet, but we know what's"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "missing. The silence from Los Angeles."}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "That silence speaks for millions."}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "But more than California is affected."}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "This is not just California. This is not"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "just the United States. This event is"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "global."}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": ">> Catalina Island is gone. Not underwater."}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "Gone. Erased. The impact event struck"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "with such force it ceased to exist. The"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "Pacific shelf fractured. We are no"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "longer talking about local devastation."}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "This is global. There was no debris, no"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "island, just a column of plasma where"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "land used to be. Catalina didn't sink"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "into the ocean. It was atomized. This is"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "going to affect all of us. This impact"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "event is global."}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "The dust and debris in the atmosphere"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "blacked out the sun. Photosynthesis"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "stopped. The Earth's temperature dropped"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "by almost 10\u00b0."}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "A new ice age was triggered. And"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "humanity went underground."}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "Right now, we're working on technology"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "to spot asteroids and comets early"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "enough to give us time to prepare. So,"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "what if we spot one coming? What can we"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "do?"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:43", "text": ">> I can stay awake just to hear you"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "breathing."}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:48", "text": ">> Please don't"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:49", "text": ">> watch you smile while you are sleeping."}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "While you're far away, I'm dreaming."}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "Okay, that's"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:54", "text": ">> I just spare my life in this surren."}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": ">> That's enough."}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:33:00", "text": ">> Fine, fine. You might be blind to"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "asteroids, but you should have seen an"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "Armageddon joke coming."}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:06", "text": ">> On September 26th, 2022, NASA's Dark"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "spacecraft slammed into the asteroid"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "Dorphus at 14,000 mph. The concept was"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "simple, but revolutionary. Take a,200lb"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "spacecraft, crash it into a 500 foot"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "wide asteroid, see if we can change its"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "orbit. The results exceeded"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "expectations. Dart changed the"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "asteroid's orbital period 25 times more"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "than required. It proved we can move"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "space rocks. But the mission also"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "revealed a problem, the rubble pile"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "dilemma. Dart was far more effective"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "than predicted because the asteroid"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "wasn't a solid rock. It was a loose pile"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "of rubble. The impact created a massive"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "plume of debris that acted like a rocket"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "engine, supercharging the push. This"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "means our best defense is also messy,"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "chaotic, and difficult to predict."}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:55", "text": ">> Yeah, like Spirit Airlines."}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:57", "text": ">> That was a cheap shot."}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:58", "text": ">> Spirit Airlines is on time about as"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "often as my alimony checks."}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": ">> Anyway, to move an asteroid requires"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "years of warning. For a surprise city"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "killer, our only short notice option is"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "a nuclear device. The Outer Space Treaty"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "of 1967 prohibits placing nuclear"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "weapons in space. Now, in an emergency,"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "the world would probably wave this"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "restriction, but it's never been tested."}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "We have the technology, the talent, and"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "the money to create the tools we need to"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "defend the planet. The one thing we"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "can't manufacture is time, and time is"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "not on our side."}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "The first days underground were chaotic."}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:57", "text": ">> 2 million people crammed into the Moscow"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "Metro, half a million in the London"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "Underground. Every subway system on"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "Earth became humanity's last refuge."}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "People fought for platform space, killed"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "for corners to sleep. The strong took"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "the train cars. The weak got the"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "tunnels."}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "The filth was unbearable. No working"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "toilets for millions. Disease spread"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "fast. Chalora, dysentery, bodies piled"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "up in maintenance tunnels. The smell"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "made people vomit, which just spread"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "more disease."}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "Then organization emerged. Not"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "democracy, survival."}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:38", "text": ">> We're going to need everyone to pitch"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "in. It's the only way we survive down"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": ">> Former military officers established"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "order."}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:49", "text": ">> I think we can convert most of these"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "tunnels to living quarters."}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": ">> Top priority is getting power back"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "online."}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": ">> Engineers got generators running."}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "What's the volts on this? 12."}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:04", "text": ">> Uh, 15."}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:05", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "Nice."}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:08", "text": ">> Doctors created triage stations. The"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "dead were processed into fertilizer."}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "Nothing could be wasted."}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "We lived off mushrooms until LED lights"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "were brought in from abandoned cannabis"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "farms."}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "Thousands of hydroponic gardens came"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "online."}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "Subway tracks were ripped up, replaced"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "with growing beds. The Circle Line"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "became London's farm."}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "Still, we mostly ate mushrooms."}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "But within 6 months, the tunnels"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "transformed."}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "Art appeared on walls."}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:05", "text": ">> You better not write any dirty poems"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "over there."}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:09", "text": ">> No promises."}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:15", "text": ">> Children's classrooms and old ticket"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "booths."}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "An economy emerged. Calories for labor,"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "labor for medicine, medicine for hope."}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": ">> Take three drops with a meal and you'll"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "feel a lot better."}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:28", "text": ">> Thanks so much, Doc."}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:30", "text": ">> Moscow's metro became a city. Same with"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "Paris, New York, Tokyo. Organized,"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "efficient, alive. Babies were born"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "underground. They'd adapted perfectly."}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "They'd never known the sun, so they"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "didn't miss it."}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "[Applause]"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "Ham radio networks connected the"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "colonies."}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:01", "text": ">> Tulsa town. This is Dallas. How copy?"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:06", "text": ">> Tulsa town here. Solid copy. Dallas."}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:11", "text": ">> Detroit. Do you read? Any chance you"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "have a spare diesel?"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:15", "text": ">> We might be frozen, Toronto, but we're"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "still Mtown. We got you."}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:19", "text": ">> Appreciate it, Mtown."}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": ">> Baltimore's got your back. You can count"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "on us."}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": ">> Hang in there, Milwaukee. We've got"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "water filters to spare. Chicago saves"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "our bacon again. Thanks again, Windy"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "City."}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": ">> Thank you, Boston. We owe you one."}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:36", "text": ">> Go Red Sox."}, {"end": "00:38:43", "start": "00:38:37", "text": ">> Don't push it, Boston."}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "Break one nine. Breaker one nine."}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:43", "text": "Minneapolis here. Anybody reading this?"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:46", "text": ">> Winnipeg. Here you are. 5x5 Minneapolis."}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "Loud and clear."}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:51", "text": ">> It is so good to hear your voice,"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "Winnipeg. How are you doing up there?"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:55", "text": ">> Cold."}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:59", "text": ">> Copy that."}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "The surface was still too cold and dark"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "to survive. The air was still toxic."}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "But small trading parties would go from"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "colony to colony moving goods."}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "In just a few years, trade routes were"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "established. Every colony soon had"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "access to all the others."}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "The martial law that first organized the"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "colonies naturally fell back to elected"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "leadership and cooperation. This was"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "more than survival. This was"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "civilization."}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "The story began with a single asteroid"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "Apous. That threat led us to a hidden"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "history of cosmic impacts and the"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "terrifying realization that thousands of"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "other city killers are still out there."}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "So, let's separate fact from fiction."}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "Fact: Apous is no longer a threat. The"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "initial 2.7% impact probability was"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "real, but current data says it will miss"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "us and the gravitational keyhole in"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "2029."}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "Probably"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "fact, we can move asteroids. NASA's Dart"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "mission proved it. The kinetic impactor"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "worked. But because asteroids aren't"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "solid, there's no way to predict the"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "outcome."}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "Fact, a major impact happened in human"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "history. The evidence for the younger"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "dest,00"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "years ago is overwhelming. Platinum"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "spikes, nano diamonds, and the black mat"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "point to a fragmented comet that reset"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "civilization. It's not a question of"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "will it happen again, but when. and the"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "big fiction. We're perfectly safe. We"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "are not. But we can change that. For 4.5"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "billion years, life on this planet has"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "been at the mercy of random cosmic"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "violence. That's no longer true. We're"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "the first species in Earth's history"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "capable of seeing the threat coming and"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "the first with the power to stop it. The"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "question is no longer about ability."}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "It's about will. Apous was transformed"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "into a symbol of fear. I think that's a"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "good thing. These objects should inspire"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "fear. One medium-sized asteroid releases"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "more energy than all the nuclear weapons"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "in the world. We need to pressure our"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "leaders and the scientific community to"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "take this seriously. Apous will be here"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "in a few years. It'll be hard to ignore"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "a mountain zipping across the sky. I"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "hope it becomes the wakeup call we"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "desperately need because we have two"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "choices. Be motivated by the disaster"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "that almost happened or be ignorant of"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "the disaster that definitely will."}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "Blue sky just a patch above Boulder,"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "Colorado. Real blue. The first clear sky"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "to cut through the green haze that"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "covered Earth for almost two decades."}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "18 years after impact to the day, the"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "first baby was born above ground. Dawn"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "Mitchell of the Boulder Colony. Well, I"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "guess technically she's from Boulder,"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "Colorado. The first child in a"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "generation to grow up with a clear sky"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "overhead. Not concrete and rebar sky."}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "Of course, Dawn doesn't remember any of"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "this. Dawn doesn't understand the irony"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "and importance of her name. All"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "10-year-old Dawn knows is that she's a"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "celebrity and she loves it. She's here"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "to celebrate her birthday and the 10th"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "anniversary of Sky Day, as we now call"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "it, and the opening of the Catalina"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "Crater Memorial. Wow, 10 years went"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "fast. It took 18 years for the dust to"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "settle, literally. Atmospheric models"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "said 50 years. They were wrong. Earth"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "heals faster than we calculated. When"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "the sun returned, the Earth warmed"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "quickly. The extra CO2 in the atmosphere"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "saw to that. The plants loved the CO2."}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "By the time humans had the courage to"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "take off their helmets, nature was"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "already back in full swing. Grass,"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "trees, green everywhere."}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "Most of the planet's infrastructure was"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "destroyed, but the Swallbard seault"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "survived. Norway's ice protected it."}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "After the impact, our ancestors had to"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "reorganize society down here in these"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "metro tunnels to survive."}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:43:58", "text": ">> About 6 months after Sky Day, the first"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "wheat harvest came in. 8,000 tons."}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "Enough to feed thousands of people real"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "bread. Not mushroom paste, not fungus"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "cakes. Actual bread. My colony had to"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "wait almost a year for our wheat"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "rations. But for fresh baked bread, it"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "was worth the wait. Nobody who lived"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "through the impact is on a low carb"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "diet. I promise you that."}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:22", "text": ">> And this children is what scientists"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "call an extinction level event. The"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "thermal pulse alone would be"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "devastating."}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:30", "text": ">> Almost 80% of animals are gone. Extinct."}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "Elephants, rhinos, hippos. Just about"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "every large mammal too big or too slow"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "to find cover is gone. Dawn won't miss"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "the elephants, but a lot of us older"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "folks will."}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "Cities rose again, but different."}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "Every building has a deep bunker. Impact"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "shelters are mandatory. School children"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "run drills every month. Asteroid"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "warning, 90 seconds to shelter. They"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "practice in the dark. They practice"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "holding their breath. They practice"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "saying goodbye."}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:12", "text": ">> I love you."}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:13", "text": ">> I'm not going to make it. Stay safe. I"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "love you so much."}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:18", "text": ">> I hope you're safe. Me and the boys are"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "heading east. I hope you get this. I"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "love you more than anything."}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:26", "text": ">> Mom, please text me back. I'm so scared."}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:29", "text": ">> I wish I could tell you. I'm sorry. I'm"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "so sorry."}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:35", "text": ">> The memorial at Catalina stretches"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "around the entire crater. 12 miles of"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "black granite. 4 billion names."}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "Where is grandpa's name?"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:46", "text": ">> The International Apous Detection Grid"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "went online last year. 10,000"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "satellites, armed ground stations are in"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "every continent. If an object larger"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "than a basketball gets within a million"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "miles of us, we can see it. Our ground"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "and space-based rail guns can kill it."}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "It took a third of the Earth's wealth to"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "build the system. But with 4 billion"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "dead, nobody complained about the cost."}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "The grid is there to make sure that no"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "matter what the universe throws at us,"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "we'll never worry."}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "The memorial is here to make sure that"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "our children never forget."}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "Happy Sky Day."}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "Echoish right there. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:39", "text": ">> There's a heckle fish. Yeah. Oh my"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "goodness. There he is."}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:46", "text": ">> Yeah. You want to give him a kiss like"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "you always do? Yeah. You always give"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "heckish a kiss. Oh, that's so nice. Oh,"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "yeah. Give heckish hugs."}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "Say, \"Thanks, Heckish.\" Thanks, AJ."}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "Oh, it's so good. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "That's so good. That's so good of you."}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "Yeah. Thank you, Heckleish. Thanks, AJ."}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:28", "text": ">> Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "I'm AJ. 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That goes to"}, {"end": "00:50:25", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "support my great team."}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Will you be quiet with the"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:25", "text": "discount code to put me in a poor house"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "for crying out loud?"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": ">> Those are the plugs. And that's going to"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "do it. Until next time, be safe, be"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "kind, and know that you are appreciated."}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "Oh"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "I play in Area 51. A secret code inside"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "the Bible said I would."}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "well as music singing like I should."}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "becomes the truth my friends"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "I feel the crab cat. I got stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "home with MK out of being only true."}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "Did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "landing alone on a film set? I would"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "shadow people there."}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "The Roswell alas just fought the smiling"}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "man, I'm told."}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "and his name was cold. And I can't"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "agree. I'm dancing with the fish and the"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "fish on Thursday night when they"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "The world was all through the night."}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:52:43", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "The Mman sidings and the solar storm"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "still come to the secret city"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "underground."}, {"end": "00:52:52", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "circle to project star gave where the"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:52", "text": "dark watchers found"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "the black night satellite over me. Oh, I"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "can't believe I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "on Thursday night when they change you"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "and my family through the night."}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "One more"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "through the night."}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "Thursday night when they change you and"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "my"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "life."}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "All I ever wanted was to be the truth."}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "The world beauty"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "Girl loves to dance on the dance floor"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "because she is a camel. You can't love"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "dance when the feeling is right"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "in time."}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "to you by Cakewallet."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "In 2003, a Pentagon spy satellite"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "detected a massive chamber deep inside"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Romania's Buzz Mountains."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Under the Romanian Sphinx, beneath 200"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "ft of solid rock was a huge dome-shaped"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "room. The Pentagon had seen this before."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Just months earlier, a similar"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "underground chamber was discovered in"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Iraq. But the Romanian chamber had one"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "big difference. It was surrounded by an"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "energy field. Then the call came in. As"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "soon as the Romanian site was scanned,"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "the Baghdad site turned on. Same energy"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "signature. This caught the attention of"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "an organization older than any"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "government and more powerful. They'd"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "been searching for this chamber for"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "centuries. They knew what was inside,"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "and they knew only one person on Earth"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "could open it."}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "You got change for 100? Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "human. Thank goodness you answered."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "I was just about to enjoy some little me"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Look, I just won the super high roller"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "bowl. 250,000 in clean, honest,"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "legitimate claims."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "Well, congrats. Now you can finally pay"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "me back for all those charges to the"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "company card."}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "Now is not the time for jokes, human."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "The bank froze my account. Apparently"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "wiring 250 grand to my Lorpus Paradise"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "LLC triggers some kind of federal alert."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "Lorpus Paradise, that's like begging for"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "a tax audit."}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "Then the Beaver Brothers show up saying"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "I got to pay them for protection."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "Protection from what? I'm already living"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "in a glass prison. And Oprah's probably"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "behind all of it anyway. She's got eyes"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "everywhere."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Oprah?"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "The actress, producer, author,"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "philanthropist, and media mogul. She's"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "best known for hosting Oprah Winfrey"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "show."}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "I know who Oprah is. 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Doctors"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "couldn't cut his umbilical cord."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "Scissors couldn't cut it. A scalpel"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "couldn't. It took a bone saw. The"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "hospital had orders to report any"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "unusual births to the Secure Date,"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "Romania's secret police. Agents arrived"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "and destroyed all records of Chesar's"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "birth. His life was a state secret"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "before he was a day old. As a child,"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "Chazar never cried. By age three, he"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "hadn't spoken a single word. 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His"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "abilities developed quickly."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "Photographic memory, precognition. One"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "weekend, he told his aunt not to visit."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "She came anyway and died in a car crash."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Those predictions pleased Dr. Shien, but"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "they upset his mother. So Chesar learned"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "to hide his abilities, but he couldn't"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "hide what happened one night in 1980"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "when his mother walked into his bedroom."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "Oh, this happened to me. So"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "embarrassing. Even now I can't think"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "about it without my face getting hot."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "She found him levitating 3 ft above his"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "bed, deep in a trance."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "Oh, that's uh not forget what I said"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "earlier, huh?"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "That night, the securitate came and they"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "took 10-year-old Chesar away. He never"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "saw his parents again. He was taken to"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "Department Zero, DZ, Romania's most"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "secret intelligence unit. Its purpose"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "was to investigate and weaponize psychic"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "phenomena, similar to the CIA's Project"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "Stargate. At a secret base in the"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "mountains, DZ trained children with"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "psychic abilities, and now they had"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "their star. In 1986, the head of"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "Department Zero took Chazar to meet a"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "dying priest. Father Oinia Boka was"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "Romania's most revered holy man. He had"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "a message, a prophecy. He said a"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "discovery was coming to Romania that"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "would change the world. There would be a"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "battle against a poisonous hydra with"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "many heads and only one man in the world"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "could save them. And Father Boa looked"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "directly at Chesar and spoke his final"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "words. He said, \"That man is you.\""}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "16 years after Father Bokeh's prophecy,"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "the first head of the Hydra arrived at"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "Department Zero."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "By May 2002, Chesar Broad was the"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "director of DC when a powerful man"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "requested a private meeting. Senor Msini"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "was an Italian nobleman of immense"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "wealth and influence. He was also a"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "high-ranking member of the Bilderberg"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "group."}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "Yeah, there it is. Illuminati."}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "Yep. Msini walked into Chazar's office"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "like he owned it. No handshake, no"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "hello. He explained who he was and made"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "Chesar an offer. Join us and you'll have"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "access to unlimited resources."}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "You could be an important driving force"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "in that council and you could acquire"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "anything you have ever dreamed of in"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "this world and rule over everything you"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "want. Wealth, people, luxury, laws, and"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "even governments. Nothing could stop"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "you."}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "Chazar was quiet. He didn't say yes, but"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "he didn't say no. Hero's Journey."}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "This story is the hero's journey. You"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "got the special kid in an ordinary"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "world. The Chinese guy's the mentor. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "this part's called the call to"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "adventure, but he refuses the call. As"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Star Wars, Matrix, Harry Potter, Lord of"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "the Rings. It's all heroes journey"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "formula."}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "Would you please?"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "And the next step in the formula is"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Please don't."}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "Next, he answers the call, faces enemies"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "and challenges, and enters the inmost"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "cave."}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "You're giving away the entire story."}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "Yeah, I'm just trying to help. Stop"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "helping."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "Fine."}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "Thank you."}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "You don't have to be a dick about it."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "Msini said the Bilderberg group's true"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "goal was absolute global control and"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "they didn't need an army to achieve it."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "Senor Msini sat with Chesar Brad and"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "explained how the Bilderberg group"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "controlled much of the world and plan to"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "control it all. Money was their primary"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "weapon. They created the modern banking"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "system to trap humanity in an endless"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "cycle of income and consumption. People"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "need income. Income requires work. Work"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "takes time and energy. No time to think,"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "no energy to resist. The cycle"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "continues. He said they control the"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "global media. They use it to manage"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "information, to promote decadence, and"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "weaken people's will."}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "Modern society is a perfect fit to this"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "design. Given the huge technological"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "progress we have allowed, we offer more"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "and more temptations and the people"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "easily fall victims to various sense"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "gratifications and stimuli."}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "We are perfectly aware their willpower"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "will soon be exhausted and without"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "resoluteness,"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "humans are like stupid animals on their"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "way to the slaughterhouse."}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "Msini said democracy was their greatest"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "creation. People think they're choosing"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "their leaders, but every candidate is"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "pre-selected. The illusion of choice"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "keeps the population compliant. The"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "organization had three levels. At the"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "bottom, daily workers, politicians, and"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "business leaders who had no idea about"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "the real agenda. The middle tier was the"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Masons. They carried out the global"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "plan. They didn't know the whole truth"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "either. They still thought they were"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "serving humanity. But at the top, the"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Elder Council, the Illuminati, 300"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "people who really run the world. Msini"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "leaned back satisfied with his speech."}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "Msini had revealed their entire"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "operation, a complete confession. He"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "wasn't asking Chazar to join. He was"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "telling him,"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "\"We do not negotiate because what we"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "offer is huge. What would be the point"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "in having any other useless discussions"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "when things are so clear and to be"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "honest, there is no other option for you"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "but to take our offer?\""}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "Chazar knew Msini was right. If he"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "refused, it would be bad for him and"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "Department Zero. He agreed to cooperate,"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "but he was playing a game, but so was"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "Msini. They didn't trust each other, but"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "they needed each other. A few months"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "later, Msini returned. This time, he"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "wasn't recruiting. He had information"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "from the Pentagon. Father Bokea's"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "prophecy was coming true."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "Father Bokea's prophecy was coming true"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "and Msini had the proof. Msini returned"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "to Alphabase with top secret satellite"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "data from the Pentagon."}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "A US spy satellite using technology"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "reverse engineered from alien spacecraft"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "had detected a massive chamber inside"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "Romania's Buzz Mountains. It could see"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "through 200 ft of solid granite. It"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "detected a long corridor and a massive"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "dome protected by two energy barriers."}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "The Pentagon had seen this before in"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "Iraq. A few months earlier, they'd found"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "an identical structure near Baghdad."}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "Same design, same energy signature."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "Msini claimed the 2003 invasion of Iraq"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "wasn't about weapons of mass"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "destruction. It was about taking control"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "of that ancient site and begin drilling."}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "The US military had advanced drilling"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "technology that could handle the rock. a"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "focus jet of superheated plasma combined"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "with a rotating magnetic field. Instead"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "of breaking rock, it melted it into"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "tunnels as smooth as glass. The"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Americans had been developing it for"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "years, probably from recovered craft."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "The problem wasn't the rock. It was the"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "energy barrier."}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "Hey, pop quiz. What war has America been"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "in that wasn't based on propaganda?"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "Well, that's why Msini was here. The"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "Bilderberg group had members in the"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "Pentagon. They knew about both sites."}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "They wanted control, but they needed"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "someone who could get past that barrier."}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "Msini's offer was simple. The"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "Bilderbergs would provide the drilling"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "technology. In exchange, they wanted"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "full access to whatever was inside."}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "Chazar knew this was bigger than any"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "government. Two identical sites, an"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "ancient network. The builders left them"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "for a reason. He agreed. 3 months later,"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "plasma drills were cutting through the"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "BJ Mountains. What they found had been"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "hidden for 50,000 years."}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "The plasma drills cut through 200 ft of"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "solid granite in just 6 hours, creating"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "a tunnel with walls as smooth as glass."}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "The joint US Romanian team reached the"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "first energy barrier on August 11th,"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "2003. It was invisible. No equipment"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "could penetrate it. It was pure energy."}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "Three Romanian soldiers volunteered to"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "test it. They were dead before they hit"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "the ground. The American team was"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "stalled. Their technology was useless."}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "But Chazar Brad knew this wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "technology problem. He approached the"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "barrier. The barrier was invisible to"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "everyone except Chazar. He could see it"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "and it felt familiar like it was"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "waiting."}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "It was waiting for this part of the"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "hero's journey entering the cave. The"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "next story beat is"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "Stop giving away the story."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "Fine. Sheesh, what a grouch."}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "When Chazar arrived at the tunnel, the"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "American team tried to stop him. Three"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "men had just died. But this was why"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "Chesar existed, why he was taken from"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "his parents, why he was trained all"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "those years. Father Bokeh's prophecy"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "wasn't about the discovery. It was about"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "the discoverer. He raised his hand. The"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "energy parted around him like water. He"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "walked through completely unharmed. On"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "the other side, carved into the stone"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "wall was a simple triangle. Chazar"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "touched it. The barrier vanished."}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "Massive stone blocks, each weighing"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "tons, rotated and shifted, but didn't"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "make a sound. The wall split apart,"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "revealing an entrance 30 ft high. This"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "led to a tunnel that stretched ahead for"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "90 ft. The Grand Gallery. The walls"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "weren't stone. They were made of"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "something synthetic and organic. The"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "material glowed with its own light, soft"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "blue green that shifted like oil on"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "water. The material couldn't be"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "scratched or burned. At the end of the"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "gallery, they found a second barrier. It"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "was a wall of golden light. Through the"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "shield, they could see a huge chamber,"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "the chamber the US spy satellite found."}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "Then alarms sounded at the base. The"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "Baghdad site had just activated and it"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "was projecting a hologram, an image of"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "the earth that zoomed into Europe, then"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "Romania, then the BJ mountains, then"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "exactly at the location of the chamber."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "The sights were connected. The ancient"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "technology asleep for 50,000 years was"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "waking up."}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "The Baghdad hologram flickered and went"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "dark, but the message was clear. Whoever"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "built these chambers was watching."}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "The second energy barrier blocked the"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "entrance to the main chamber. Chesar"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "found another triangle carved into the"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "wall. When he touched it, the shield"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "dissolved like mist."}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "The chamber beyond was a perfect dome"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "over 100 ft high and 300 ft wide. 10"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "massive stone tables were arranged"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "inside, each shaped like a giant tea."}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "They were 10 ft tall, their surfaces"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "polished to a mirror finish. Chazar"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "touched the nearest table. A perfect"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "three-dimensional hologram materialized"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "above it. A DNA strand, but not human."}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "It had triple helyses."}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "Helixes."}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "What' I say?"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "Touche."}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "The DNA structures rotated slowly,"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "showing sequences completely unknown to"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "science. Each of the 10 tables held a"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "different secret. A library of the"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "universe."}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "One showed star maps, trade routes"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "between alien civilizations spanning the"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "galaxy. Another displayed mathematics"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "beyond human understanding, the"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "equations for the unified field theory."}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "A third projected blueprints for"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "machines that defied physics, ships that"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "could fold space, devices that could"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "harness zero point energy. A fourth was"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "a biological library, DNA from across"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "the universe, creatures from methane"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "atmospheres, life from worlds of pure"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "silicon."}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "But the fifth table was different. It"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "was interactive, a genetic laboratory in"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "holographic form. You could mix human"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "genes with sequences from other worlds"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "and see the results instantly. Their"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "strengths, their weaknesses, all"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "theoretical, but all possible."}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "At the center of the room was a podium"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "with a device that looked organic, grown"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "rather than built. A consciousness"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "amplifier. Place your hand on it and"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "your thoughts could control any system"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "in the chamber. Near the podium, another"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "console caught the American team's"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "attention. When activated, it showed"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "Romania from above. Topographical data"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "appeared. Water tables, geological"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "layers, thin simulations began. Move"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "this dial, the Danube changes course."}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "Touch this control, tectonic plates"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "shift. The machine could reshape the"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "country or destroy it. But Chazar was"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "drawn to an al cove in the far wall"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "which held an ancient ceramic amphora."}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "Inside was a white powder."}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "Yeah, he found an alien party stash."}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "It was monotomic gold."}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "it pulsed with its own light. This was"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "the substance of legends, the"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "alchemist's dream. In this state, gold"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "could repair DNA, reverse aging, extend"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "life by centuries. This is what Msini"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "really wanted. Not the technology, not"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "the knowledge. He wanted the powder."}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "Yeah, that stuff will get its hooks into"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "you."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "Will you stop that? We have kids"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "watching."}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "Oh, you're right. You're right. Hey kids"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "at home, don't do mono atomic gold"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "powder."}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "Thank you."}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "Stick with bloopers."}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "That's enough."}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "Chazar returned to examine the remaining"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "tables. The eighth held astronomical"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "data, not just star positions, but the"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "life cycle of civilizations, when they"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "rose, when they fell."}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "The ninth table showed energy, how it"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "flowed through the universe, through"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "planets, through living beings. The"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "meridians the Chinese mapped were real."}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "The chakras the Indians described were"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "real. Lay lines were real. But the 10th"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "table was the one that shocked everyone."}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "It showed earth, not geography or"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "geology. History. Human history. All of"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "it. And it's not the human history we"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "were taught in school."}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "The 10th table showed a hologram of"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "Earth 432,000"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "years ago. A specific alignment of six"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "stars created an energy field around the"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "planet. The focused cosmic radiation"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "lasted 10,000 years."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "During that time, something changed in"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "the DNA of primates in the Sinai"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "Peninsula. A single carbon bond shifted"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "and evolution accelerated. Then 372,000"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "years ago, the ships arrived. Not an"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "invasion, a mission. The beings were 8"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "to 10 ft tall, humanoid, but different."}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "Larger skulls, luminous skin. They came"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "from the Sirius system and a massive"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "spherical vessel. They needed gold to"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "repair their planet's atmosphere."}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "Anunnyaki."}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "Exactly. The hologram showed that the"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "Anunnaki story is true. I could have"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "told you that without the death barrier"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "and the magic alien powder, though I'm"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "down to try to powder."}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "The hologram showed their leader,"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "Tenacow, studying the modified primates."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "He saw potential. Their DNA was"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "compatible. They went to work. This"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "wasn't random genetic tampering or"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "experimentation. These were exact"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "changes. They took DNA from the primates"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "and blended it with their own. The first"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "hybrids were created 368,000 years ago."}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "They called the first one Adamu, Adam."}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "Not a single man, a genetic template for"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "a new species."}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "The aliens created two distinct branches"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "of development. The ENL branch and the"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "ENK branch. The ENL's were heavily"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "hybridized with alien DNA, taller,"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "softer features. They became the rulers,"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "the teachers. In ancient texts, these"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "beings were depicted as gods. The ENK's"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "kept more original Earth DNA. They were"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "shorter, stronger, more connected to the"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "planet. They became the workers, the"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "builders. These creatures would quickly"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "spread across the world. For thousands"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "of years, both branches coexisted. The"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "ENL beings lived in advanced cities with"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "lifespans measured in centuries. They"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "had technologies that looked like magic,"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "knowledge of the universe's deepest"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "secrets. Then the hologram shifted to"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "show a global civilization 50,000 years"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "ago. There were cities that modern"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "archaeology never found. A"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "continent-sized land mass in the"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "Atlantic powered by crystal technology"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "connected to colonies around the world."}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "Do you mean"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "Atlantis?"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "Atlantis wasn't mythology. It was a"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "central hub of ENL culture. Then came"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "the wars. Different alien factions"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "wanted control of Earth. The Syrians"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "faced challenges from reptilian races"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "who had their own vision for humanity."}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "Our lizard people have excellent vision."}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "No, no, by vision I mean they had their"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "own plan for humanity."}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "Ah, that makes more sense."}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "Battles were fought with weapons that"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "could level mountains. The ENL"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "civilization was caught in the middle."}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "Then 13,500 years ago, the final"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "catastrophe."}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "Remind people what 13,500 years ago was."}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "The younger dusi"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "the hologram showed Atlantis breaking"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "apart not in a day but over centuries."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "The NLB beings seeing the end"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "approaching built preservation chambers"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "like this chamber. These were time"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "capsules libraries to hold all the"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "knowledge of history. Not just human"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "history, all of history. A few survivors"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "of Atlantis migrated to Egypt, Tibet,"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "and South America, establishing new"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "centers of knowledge. But most withdrew,"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "not geographically, dimensionally. They"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "shifted to a higher vibrational"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "frequency, moving beyond physical Earth."}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "What humans call Shambala, a hollow"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "Earth. Different names for the same"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "truth. Our ancestors didn't die out,"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "they ascended."}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "The ENK branch survived, but lost this"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "connection to the stars. They forgot"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "their origins. They started over,"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "building new civilizations from"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "fragments of memory. Egyptian pyramids,"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "Samrian tablets, Hindu texts, all were"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "attempts to preserve the truth in"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "symbols and stone. This story confirms"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "the Anunnaki story, the great flood and"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "the resurrection of civilizations with"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "the help from advanced beings. The"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "hologram ended with present day, a"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "critical moment. The cosmic cycle was"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "completing. The same stellar alignment"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "that began human evolution was"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "returning. The chambers were activating."}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "The knowledge was being revealed."}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "Humanity was at a crossroads. Evolution"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "or extinction."}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "From across the giant room, someone"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "called out. They found something. The"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "chamber wasn't a dead end. It was a hub."}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "On another wall, there were three"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "openings, each 20 ft high. Three paths."}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "Three destinations. Three more secrets"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "waiting in the dark."}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "The three tunnels at the back of the"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "projection room weren't just passages."}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "They were highways to humanity's hidden"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "history. The first led to Egypt, the"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "second to Tibet, the third went straight"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "down to the inner earth."}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "Each tunnel was massive, 20 ft high and"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "perfectly circular. The same synthetic"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "organic material lined the walls,"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "glowing with that shifting blue green"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "light. The pattern was clear. This was a"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "global network built 50,000 years ago,"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "an infrastructure spanning the entire"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "planet. The group opened a secure line"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "between Bucharest and the White House."}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "The Americans confirmed the Baghdad site"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "was identical. Same energy signature,"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "same holographic technology, same three"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "tunnels. They planned a new expedition"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "that Chesar Brad would lead and the"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "first destination would be the tunnel to"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "Egypt. Now today I've only covered the"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "BJ mountain discovery but we have"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "reports from what they found at each"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "tunnel. Now if you want to see those"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "stories let me know. The third tunnel to"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "inner earth describes interaction with"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "underground civilizations and reveals"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "the true origin of the moon."}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "Alien spaceship run by lizard people"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "link down in your drain pan."}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "After the discovery of the chamber"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "diplomatic negotiations move fast"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "between the United States and Romania"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "and a secret agreement was signed. The"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "Bilderberg group had members in both"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "administrations. Chazar was free to"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "explore anything he wanted, but all the"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "monotomic gold was to be the property of"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "the Bilderbergs."}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "This part of the hero's journey is"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "called the road back and return with the"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "elixir, which in this case is the alien"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "go-go powder."}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "Enough with the hero's journey, please."}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "The world's greatest secret and most"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "powerful substance was now in the hands"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "of a few men, and they'd do anything to"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "keep it. 7 months later, Romania was"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "admitted to NATO. Their application was"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "denied for 20 years. Now it was suddenly"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "fasttracked. Because of these"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "discoveries, Romania now had a seat at"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "the table. But above the table, all"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "countries answered to the Bilderberg"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "group, just as they always have."}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "A secret chamber under the BJ Mountains,"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "a global network of ancient tunnels, and"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "a shadow government desperate to control"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "it all. We have psychic warfare, the"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "Anunnaki, even Atlantis. This story has"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "everything."}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "But is it true?"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "The story comes from a series of books"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "by an author using the pseudonym Rad"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "Cinear. He claims to be a Romanian"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "intelligence officer. The books are"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "published as fiction, but Cinear insists"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "they're true. Disguised as fiction for"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "protection. But here's what we can"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "verify. Romania was admitted to NATO on"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "March 29th, 2004, exactly 7 months after"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "the alleged discovery. An application"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "that had been denied for years was"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "suddenly approved. The timing is"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "suspicious."}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "Father Bokeh was a real priest revered"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "in Romania. He was known for making"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "prophecies, though he never mentioned"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "underground chambers or energy barriers."}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "The Bilderberg group exists."}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "Yeah, obviously."}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "Members include heads of state,"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "corporate CEOs, and media moguls. Their"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "meetings are secret. No press allowed."}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "No minutes published. Their stated goal"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "is to foster dialogue between Europe and"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "North America. Critics say they're"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "planning a one world government."}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "Critics? Uh, you mean people with brain"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "cells?"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "I have a whole episode about them if you"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "want to learn more."}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "Link down in your sanctum sanctorum."}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "Department zero is harder to confirm,"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "but the Romanian government has never"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "denied the BJ story. They never"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "confirmed it either, just silence. The"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "technology described sounds impossible,"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "but plasma drilling is real. The air"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "force has experimented with it for"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "decades. Ground penetrating radar"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "exists. The US military has satellites"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "that can detect underground structures."}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "Monotomic gold is also real. It's"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "created when gold atoms are isolated"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "from each other. Some researchers claim"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "it has healing properties and can repair"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "DNA. Others say it's pseudocience. No"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "scientific studies confirm life"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "extension. The biggest problem is the"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "whole story comes from a single source."}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "Everything traces back to Radu Cinear's"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "books. No independent witnesses, no"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "leaked documents. Unless you count the"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "Iraqi connection. The books claimed the"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "2003 invasion was partly motivated by an"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "identical chamber near Baghdad. Now, we"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "know the official reason for the war was"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "false. We also know the US military"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "secured certain archaeological sites"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "immediately after the invasion. The"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "Baghdad museum was looted while soldiers"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "guarded undisclosed locations and the"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "looters were wearing black tactical gear"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "and they left all kinds of valuables"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "behind. They were there for something"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "else, other artifacts. Now, I've covered"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "this in the project looking glass"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "episode."}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "Link down in your amphora of potty"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "powder."}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "There's another problem. The books are"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "published by Peter Moon. He and Preston"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "Nichols wrote the Montalk Project series"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "about time travel experiments on Long"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "Island. And Moon claims he learned the"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "story through a friend. Now, if you"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "remember the episode I did on the"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "Montalk project, not only did I debunk a"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "lot of it, I revealed a very dark side"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "uh to Preston Nichols."}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "Link down in your notes. I couldn't"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "debunk all of the Montto Project and I"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "can't debunk all of this, but it has all"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "the signs of a science fiction novel."}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "Are you saying this has all the classic"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "earmarks of a disinformation campaign?"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "I see what you did there."}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "And yes, the story follows the hero's"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "journey practically beat for beat."}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "To me, this story and others like it are"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "not about ancient chambers or alien"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "technology. It's about who decides what"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "we're allowed to know. About why"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "archaeological discoveries require"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "military intervention. about what else"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "might be hidden under the pretense of"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "national security."}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "Did you know that a whole labyrinth of"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "tunnels has been found under the"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "pyramids and the Giza plateau? Thousands"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "of chambers. They were discovered in"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "2008 by the Maha expedition. The tunnels"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "match accounts by Heroditus Ply the"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "Elder and other ancient historians. The"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "expedition published their findings and"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "gave lectures about the tunnels,"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "but they were ordered to stop talking"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "about it by, wait for it, Zuas. He said"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "this was for national security, and the"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "team members said they were being"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "threatened if they defied the order."}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "Did you know only about 5% of Gobeclete"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "has been explored since 1995? That's 30"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "years ago. Nothing has been done in 30"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "years. Well, some things have been done."}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "Orchards have been planted over the"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "site, so tree roots are damaging all"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "kinds of stuff. Um, it's been covered up"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "by different materials. 1,200 ft of"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "concrete walkways are installed on top"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "of ancient structures. All kinds of"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "damage is being done to the site with"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "metal and rebar and concrete. If you"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "want to learn more about this, go check"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "out Jimmy Corsetti's videos on Bright"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "Insight. He goes into the specifics,"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "including how the World Economic Forum"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "Illuminati,"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "allegedly, Jimmy gets into all of it. He"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "even went to goep to see for himself. He"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "has pictures and video of all the damage"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "being done to the site. And after Jimmy"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "released his videos, the Turkish"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "government attacked him and demanded"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "that he be sanctioned for making false"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "claims."}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "So, we have a possibly fictional story"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "about the Bilderberg group covering up a"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "discovery, but we have two factual"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "stories about archaeology being covered"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "up and denied. And one of those includes"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "the WF, a group closely linked to"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "Bilderberg. Powerful groups are seizing"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "control of ancient sites. That's a fact."}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "Something is going on. I just don't know"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "what. Some believe that the powerful are"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "doing more than seizing the sites."}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "They're digging. They're looking for"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "something or preparing for something."}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "For what? We don't know. We won't ever"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "know. The story of Giza, Gobeclet, and"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "even the Bouches Mountains might be a"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "warning that the next great discovery"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "has already been made, and we're not"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "invited."}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "My name is AJ. Here's Hecklefish."}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "Salute. Man,"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "this has been the W Files. You had fun"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "or learned anything? Do him a favor."}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "Subscribe, comment, like, share. 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[{"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "This is Heckle Vish at the Pork Shop"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Express and I'm talking to whoever's"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "listening out there. It's like I told my"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "last wife. I says, \"Honey, I never drive"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "faster than I can see. Besides that,"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "it's all in the reflexes."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "You just listen to the Pork Chop Express"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "and take his advice on a dark and stormy"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "night. All right. When some wildeyed 8"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "foot tall maniac grabs your neck, taps"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "the back of your favorite head up"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "against a barroom wall, and he looks you"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "crooked in the eye, and he asks you,"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "\"Have you paid your dues?\" Well, you"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "just stare that big sucker back in the"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "eye and remember what old hecklefish"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "always says at a time like that. Have"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "you paid your dues, Fish? Yes, sir. That"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "check is in the mail."}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "What's going on there?"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "Um good."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "Okay. So I asked AJ, \"Anything you'd"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "like from Thomas?\" Jay says answers. The"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "only thing I would want would be a promo"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "from Jane saying to the camera."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "Oh man, I can't It was going to take me"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "a long time to memorize this."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "Expected you an hour ago."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "The long hoof from the medina, sir."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "This is your Baratna. Your Barata Miller"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "telling you to watch the wash vials."}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "Delta Iota. Oh, I I Belt."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Belta. I"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "Iota. I think I said it right."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "Belt."}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "Wait, is that belt? Yeah, it's belt"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "louder, isn't it?"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "Belt."}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "Yeah. Now I'm back to memorizing lines."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "Tell AJ you. That's That's the answer."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "Thank you."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "You stay there. Right there."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "Coleman going to die some time"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "about now."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "This is your Baratna brother Miller."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "This is your Barata Miller telling you"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "to watch the Wi-Fi"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "M."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "No, this is great. But I'm a huge fan"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "and um I never miss an episode and thank"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "you for doing what you do because I I"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "really think you're helping spread the"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "word in a powerful way and it's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "fun. And uh I was sad that you know you"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "fired the hecklefish."}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "What is this human even talking about?"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "And you guys had to shut down for a"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "month while hecklefish renegotiated his"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "contract or whatever was going on there."}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "But"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "I'm glad I'm glad he's I'm glad you guys"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "are back. I was hoping you guys had ax"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "the fish for good, but somehow he"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "weasled his way back in. 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This is not a professional"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "production. We don't know why anyone"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "watches this thing, but we're glad you"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "do. And now to kick off the show is"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "everyone's favorite sidekick, the one,"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "the only, hecklefish."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "Welcome back."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "Your dreams were your ticket out."}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Welcome back"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "to that same old place that you laughed"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "about."}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "Well, the names have changed since you"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "hung around, but those dreams have"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "remained and they turn around."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Who thought they lead you?"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "Who thought they"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "need you?"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "Where we"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "got spot. Welcome back."}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "back."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "Welcome back. Welcome back. Yeah, we a"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "lot"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "back."}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "Okay, that that's good. Audio thumbs up"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "from the producers. Hello everyone."}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "Welcome back. Francis, are you singing?"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "You singing along."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "Roman is here. Good to see you. Carolina"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "guy. OMG. Old Vegas. Shot for shot from"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "the original Welcome B. Welcome Welcome"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Back Cotter theme from 78. Shot for"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "shot. But you but using shots from Vegas"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "in 78. Hey, Christina's here. Tadassium."}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "Bonjour Razer."}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "Plexus. Oh my god. We have slow mode on"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "and I can't keep up."}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "All right, I'm going to have to scroll."}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "Tease time saying congrats. Yeah, 5"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "million subscribers. Never would have"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "guessed it."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "Here's to 5 million more. There's no"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "way. There's no way. There's no way."}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "We'll take the five. We'll take the"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "five. We're good here. Hey, Adam. Good"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "to see you. Sizzle is here. Bubba Ray,"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "Anthony, Zara, Vanesh, Jay, Lang, good"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "to see you. MoonX is there. There's Don"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "M. from Raider Ray 44, Fizz Gig coming"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "over from the uh from the Patreon uh"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "chat. What's up streamer services? Alpha"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Gals here, Dwayne Bacon, TK Snow,"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "Salamander, Triple X, Justin Farmer,"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Andy Purdue, Tartacle, Capist, Willie,"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "MP60003"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "shouting out from Cleveland. I love"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "Cleveland. Beautiful city. Although I I"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "lean Columbus. Columbus, one of my"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "favorite cities in the country. Robin"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "Sparkles is here. 5 mil. 5 mil."}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "Speaking of 5 mil, great way to support"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "your favorite YouTube channels. Maybe"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "head over to the Wi-Fi store. We've got"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "the five million uh t-shirt available. I"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "see it's only $20."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "Nicely done. Appreciate that. Appreciate"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "we don't gouge."}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "No, totally."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "She would totally gouge if I let her."}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "And uh Wow, Rob did a great job on the"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "board."}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "Let me see if I can if I can zoom in. I"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "can zoom in on that. He did a great job"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "on the board."}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "Everything is on there. I see Art Bell,"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "picture of Freckles, everything. There's"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "Zebed, picture of dad."}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "So, those are available on the store if"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "you guys want, as well as all the usual"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "All right, put that away. There's the"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "plugs. There's the plugs. Oh, I didn't"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "plug Patreon. Go to Patreon and uh and"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "become a member. Be super great."}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Uh double question mark. That's neat."}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "Joel saying um awesome. I'm Rogan. I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "glad you liked it. I And I know I was"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "nervous. It came It came through. I'll"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "admit it. Really nervous the first like"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "10 minutes or so. I think Did I tell you"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "guys about this already or did I just"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "tell the Patreons"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "be uh before we were going into the"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "studio like right before I So, I got to"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "Joe's studio. They picked me up. I was"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "maybe 15 20 minutes early. So, I'm just"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "hanging around his his lobby, which is"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "which is cool. It's got crazy stuff in"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "it with his crew. and he didn't come out"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "until right before we went on. So, I had"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "a hecklefish squeezy doll there for him"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "and some other, you know, swag from the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "from the show, uh, challenge coins, all"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "kinds of stuff."}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "So, I first of all, he says, \"Good to"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "meet you.\""}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "And I'm like, \"Dude, you've known my"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "brother for 15 years. I've been on your"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "show. We've met seven times backstage at"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "your shows. Good to meet you.\" He's"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "like, \"Oh, oh, that's right.\" So, then"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "I'm now Now I'm off my game immediately"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "because I'm embarrassed. And so I give"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "him the stuff and he's like, \"What's"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "this?\" So I give him the bag of swag. He"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "takes it. He goes, \"Oh, cool.\" And he"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "put throws it away. In fact, I still"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "have I grabbed it on my way back out."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "And he takes the hecklefish doll. I"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "don't have one here. He's like, \"What is"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "this?\" I said, \"Well, give it to your"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "your one of your daughters. They'll like"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "it.\" And he says, \"Well, my you know, my"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "daughter's a teenager, so that they"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "won't like this at all. maybe I'll just"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "give it to the dog as a dog toy. And I"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "went like not not not physically, but"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "inside I was just so deflated. And he's"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "like, \"You ready? Let's go.\" So then we"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "go into the studio right from me just"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "getting my ass kicked for about three"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "straight minutes."}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "And I was really nervous for the first"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "maybe 10 minutes was really in my head."}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "And then I just said, \"Dude, relax."}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "What? You know, you're going to talk"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "about aliens. It's going to be fine.\""}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "Then I was good. Then I was good."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "Meaning I was better."}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "But I didn't rewatch any of it until"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "pretty recently. Like I just could I"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "couldn't it was too cringey."}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "And even the clips I saw I was like I"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "don't know. He's still coming across"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "pretty nervous. But I think it was fine."}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "The views on it are pretty good. It may"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "be one of his top 10 episodes of the"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "year."}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "You know once the year is done."}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "Ian Tate saying what did I miss? No. Not"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "much. You know we don't do a"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "professional thing here. So it was never"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "uh never anything to miss. J Burn saying"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "Joe trolling you. Maybe it was a power"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "move, right? To just like put me off my"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "guard."}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "But don't do that. Don't power move your"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "guest. You want your guest to be good."}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "Like whenever the whenever the basement"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "opens up and I start doing those, I'm"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "not going to I'm definitely not going to"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "power move anybody. You want them to be"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "relaxed. Armen Nation, I appreciate"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "Greg, yeah, Thomas Jane as a fan was was"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "really strange. And that clip was from"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "last year. I just managed to put"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "together the promo recently, but uh but"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "Gina was hanging out with with Jane just"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "a few weeks ago. I I can't tell you what"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "they were doing, but uh they were having"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "a good time at uh I think I think it was"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "at Contact in the Desert."}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "So, Gino's out there uh in the UFO"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "community, and he'll probably hop on"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "later. I hope he does cuz we're going to"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "talk a little bit about ThreeI Atlas."}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "You guys know that that thing that's"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "coming toward the solar system real fast"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "from somewhere in the center of the"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "galaxy moving way faster than anything"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "should."}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "So, I've got a couple of clips here. One"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "from Avi Lobe"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "who thinks it could be an intelligent"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "craft, but he thinks everything. You"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "know, he's a believer."}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "Most of science believes it's just a"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "meteor because they're seeing they're"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "seeing some some uh ice melting. They're"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "seeing some jetting from it."}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "Uh TJ, nice to see you back in the after"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "files. Good to be back. Um July was a"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "hard month. We pumped out six episodes"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "for the month and there's no way I could"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "have done it without the team. So it was"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "it was nice to be back on schedule for"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "the first time in a long time and and a"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "little bit early."}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "to have the episode posted, everything"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "ready to go. The patrons had the episode"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "early this uh I guess late this morning."}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "I even managed to squeeze in a 15 20"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "minute dinner break before we did uh the"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "Patreon live stream. And if you guys"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "like these,"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "join Patreon for a couple of bucks. We"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "do this couple of times a week just for"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "Patreon members. So, instead of there"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "being 5,000 people in there tonight, we"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "had about 120 or so. AJ Fabrication,"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "thank you for joining. It's a new"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "member."}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "Lava claw. You watched the whole thing."}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "I'm glad you did. I saw some clips from"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "it and I think from what I saw it people"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "would be interested if you like the"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "stuff we cover on the channel."}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "Joe wanted to talk about crop circles so"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "much"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "which I guess is fine."}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "Jose, it's very nice of you to say. Jose"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "a member member of the channel."}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "Appreciate that, bro. You get great. I"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "haven't watched a whole JRE in forever."}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "I think we managed to to keep it keep it"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "moving, you know. I just whatever he"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "seemed excited about."}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "I I just would stay on that, you know."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "We we did the typical COVID stuff and a"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "little bit of that sort of stuff, which"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "sort of just brush past it, you know."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "So, if you're annoyed by that kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "stuff or anything that leans political,"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "there's really not m not not much in the"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "episode. Mostly we talked about crop"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "circles and coverups, aliens, that kind"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "of stuff."}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "Luna Star, thank you for that. Good to"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "see you. Flicker me. This is here."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "Was gifted a membership. Cool."}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "It was J Church. It was weird. Thanks,"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "Scott. Sing it did a good job. Roman"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "Stone missed the after files. Glad it's"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "back. I am too. I don't know if it's"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "back forever, but as long if we can get"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "the episodes done early enough that I'm"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "not, you know, killing myself, I would"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "do these after every episode. But I"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "mean, still to get this one out on time,"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "I had to do an overnight. And I try not"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "to do too many of those. But it was a"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "couple of nights ago. So I'm on eight"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "hours sleep. I'm feeling pretty good. I"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "don't know how late we're going to go"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "tonight. Probably not that late cuz my"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "boy's coming into town. He should be"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "here any minute, actually. So I want to"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "hang out and and drink a couple of cers"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "with the with the boy, the 6'6 baby boy."}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "Speaking of baby boy."}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "Speaking of baby boy, you guys remember"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "what that we we got the the kitten that"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "almost died for Christmas, right? There"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "he is a few weeks ago. On the left is my"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "big boy is dummy and on the right is"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "Bubba and that's from a couple of weeks"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "ago and there's from two nights ago."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "Bubba is on the left. Bubba is on the"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "left. That's the kitten at 10 months"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "old."}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "So he's full main [\u00a0__\u00a0] He will keep"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "growing for another 3 to 5 years."}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "giant animal that you really can't tell,"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "but my boy on the right is a big cat."}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "He's like a 12 pounder."}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "So, that that's a substantial animal"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "and eats and eats and eats."}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "He was so skittish when we first got"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "him. I wouldn't come out from under the"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "bed. He's, you know, cowers at"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "everything. But now he's a lover boy. He"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "wants to come up and give kisses and and"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "he's great. He's around somewhere. I've"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "got the uh I've got I've got the cat cam"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "handy for when when he comes out"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "right right now it's on their cookie"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "puzzle."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "Dr. Nan Fran, good to see you."}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "Congratulations on the milestone reach."}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "You did great on Jr. Love youall and"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "keep up the fantastic work. I appreciate"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "Small Z saying uh oh Brad appreciate"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "that. Good to see you. Joshua's in the"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "house. There's uh Vienna Anakin BB"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "Doc. Love the Weird Al hanging there. Um"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "yeah, we went to see Weird Al a couple"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "of weeks ago."}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "It was a maybe it was the best gift Jen"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "ever got me."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "You know, aside from that, that's a"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "pretty good gift there on on the left."}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "but uh got us front row center tickets"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "to Weirdowl at the first show of of his"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "new tour which so it kicked off in Vegas"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "and uh backstage pass. Got to meet him,"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "got to talk to him, all that stuff. And"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "talking to him was very nerve-wracking"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "cuz um for the VIP tour,"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "you wait on you wait line to go first"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "you take a picture with him. I don't"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "have it handy where you take a picture"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "like in front of the logo wall and then"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "once everyone goes through the line then"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "you go through the line again and then"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "you have talk to them a little bit have"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "them sign stuff they really don't want"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "you talking to him during the pictures"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "they want to keep it moving so I went up"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "and I said hello shook his hand I said"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "Al you your show tonight was as good as"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "the first one I saw 45 years ago"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "and he's like what like because he was"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "just hi how are you hi how are you hi"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "how are you and then he goes What? I"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "said, he said, \"What? What show you"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "talking about?\" I said, \"Yuly 17th,"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "1983, Bottomline New York.\" I was at"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "that show. He said, \"With Sam and Dave.\""}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "I said, \"With Benny Bell and Dr. D.\" I"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "said, \"It's on YouTube. You can hear us"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "laughing on the camera.\" And he was"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "takenback by it. And and I wanted to"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "talk to him a little more. And I could"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "tell he wanted to talk more, but I got"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "too starruck and nervous. So, I just I"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "bailed out. I went, \"Ah.\" And I just"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "bailed out. I I bailed out of it. But I"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "got a cool picture and I got to I got to"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "throw him off balance a little bit"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "because he wasn't expecting that. Cuz"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "what a what a small fraternity, right?"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "To be one of the people that was at"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "Weird's first show, like his first tour"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "show."}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "Cuz that the bottom line was like a"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "hundred people were there. 120 people."}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "Wasn't even sold out. You know, they"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "were giving away coupons to go see the"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "show."}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "So yeah, I've been a Weirdo fan since"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "since the early 80s because dad was Dad"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "will listen to Dr. Dementoto late at"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "night."}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "Jay Church, that's very nice of you to"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "say going to be the best host. I don't"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "know about that. I think it's all about"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "making the guests look good. So I'll"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "just have guests on that can that can"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "talk."}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "Jeremy Cole, thank you. Good to see you."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "Brenda calling Joe Putts for the power"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "move."}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "Cattywack sounds snobby at the W files."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "I don't know what sounds snobby but but"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "you you might not be wrong."}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "Uh uh W Smith, we're going to do an"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "episode on the Peruvian face peelers."}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "That's a crazy story. There's even video"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "of it. Uh the official story is they"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "were guys on jetpacks robbing a gold"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "mine."}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Okay. I mean, jetpacks that"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "that's that's a good one. Uh, we're"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "going to be talking about that a little"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "bit today. Uh, through Atlas, I see"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "Gino's down below. We'll bring him him"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "up a little bit later. We'll cover that."}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "Dr. Nan getting some love from Victoria."}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "Jill, let's talk Anunnaki."}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "Ask your question and we'll talk it."}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "What's going You don't mind if I have a"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "little I just need a little Joe. What's"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "up, booze?"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "Tonight, my last night of drinking until"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "until uh Shawn Ryan. I'm going to do"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "Shawn Ryan's show."}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "It's like the I don't know. I go out the"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "13th or the 14th."}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "And I don't know how soon after"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "we shoot they go up. But"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "if you guys are into Shawn Ryan, it"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "should be fun. I don't really watch his"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "show, but I'll watch clips of people"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "that are on there that are interesting."}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "Matt El's little late for coffee. Not"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "for me. It It depends on the person."}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "Coffee Coffee settles me down."}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "You know where some people keeps them"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "up. It really depends."}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "It's like nicotine. It's the drug that"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "just knows."}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "Hey, Gunnar. Good to see you. There's"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "Christine. Undead Jet is here. New Umuam"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "Mua. That's true. This is the third"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "extra solar object that we've found."}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "Uh three atlas is the third moving"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "coming in fast. Uh about 5% off the"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "plane of the ecliptic which is"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "So it did so it's coming in a little bit"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "flatter than Omu Mua did which came in"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "came in hot and high. And this one looks"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "like it came is coming from the center"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "of the galaxy."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "Figure me this. Uh yeah through Atlas."}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "Very intriguing. And we're going to"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "learn more and more every single day"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "because it is coming in fast. Um will"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "not be visible to the naked eye, but"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "binoculars you'll be able to see this"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "thing for a few days. Uh once it makes"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "its closest pass to a planet, uh Mars, I"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "think, is the closest pass it's going to"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "make. It's not going to get that close"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "to us unless it changes course. If it"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "changes course, we've got a whole new"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "conversation. But assuming it doesn't"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "change course, I think I think uh Atlas"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "gets maybe 1.3 1.4 AU from us. It's"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "pretty far because we're going we're"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "actually on the other side of the sun"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "when it comes through. It's going to"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "we're on the other side of the sun. So"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "for it to come toward us,"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "it's going to have to change course."}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "Uh don't forget Ryan is CIA. I know I"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "know who he is. I I I know who he is. I"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "don't mind talking to the CIA and I"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "don't mind expressing my opinion about"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "CIA, but he's he's been on the record"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "being"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "I don't know, criticized. Yeah, I mean,"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "he's criticized. We'll get into it. I"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "I'll ask him. I'll ask him. You know, he"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "was more in in like QRS and and uh"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "paramilitary stuff than secret stuff, I"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "think."}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "And he was a contractor anyway. I don't"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "think he worked directly for the agency,"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "but I'm going to ask. So, it's a little"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "different when you're a contractor."}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "Andrew Duty saying, \"Uh, BJ store is one"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "of the best, but is it real?\" It is. I"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "don't think it's real, but um but"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "there's a lot more to it. So, those"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "three tunnels that they found"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "the books by uh the Radu Cinear, he has"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "books on all those three tunnels. So, if"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "you want to do episodes on those, and I"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "hope you do because it's good content."}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "He explains what they found at each"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "tunnel. The the stuff at Egypt is really"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "interesting, but the best ones are what"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "they found at at the inner earth, the"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "hollow earth, advanced civilizations,"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "all kinds of stuff like that."}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "So, if that's the story you want to"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "hear, um, let me know. I I am watching"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "the chat. Muna says, \"Yes, please.\""}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "Jed slow. Mrs. Gino story hour. I do"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "too. Uh, Gene will be here in a little"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "bit. I don't think we're going to do a"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "story hour. If he has one, we'll do it."}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "Yeah, Brad wants a story hour"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "by popular request."}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "Devild Doc saying, \"My boss put me on"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "Wi-Fi about two months ago and I haven't"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "looked back since. I have binged damn"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "near everything. Your videos help keep"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "overnight duty interesting. Much love"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "and thanks for all the research"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "content.\""}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "You're welcome, Doc."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "Lisa LB is here. Paul Carlson, good to"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "see you."}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "Hybrid saying, \"Submit topic suggestion."}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "Just say hi.\" Yeah, you can drop your"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "topics right in here. We keep track of"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "them."}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "GPRs, what's up? What's up with Bonino"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "lately? He's in politics now. So,"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "you can't, you know, he's got to do"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "politics. I told you we're not getting"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "any Epstein list."}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "I'm still waiting to be proven wrong,"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "but we're not going to get that list."}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "Everybody's on it."}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "You know, I've seen his is CIA. It's not"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "We're not going to get the list. He's an"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "asset. Was an asset."}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "Well, I don't know why no one talks"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "about that really."}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "Not even that many dots to connect. Guy"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "was a money mover for uh for the agency"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "on Pandora. Hey to you."}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "J Church disappointed him by Gino and"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "and Patel. You get same way, right?"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "Slugworth saying everyone is on it."}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "Everyone is on it."}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "No matter what kind of politics you're"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "into, they're on it. No matter what"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "celebrities you like, they are they are"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "on it. Captains of industry, everybody's"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "on the list. Every The thing is"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "really who's in the tapes. That's"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "cuz someone's got the tapes,"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "you know. Remember his first address? I"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "mean, first arrest,"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "the uh they went in and and to seize his"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "computers and all the tapes and stuff"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "and everything was cleaned out. He was"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "tipped off. Had people inside. He had"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "people inside every level of government"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "all the way up that I think it was the"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "the county sheriff"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "was not was getting no help from the"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "locals. Got no help from from um from"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "from Florida State. So he just he did an"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "end run and went up to to to federal"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "court to the US attorney and was getting"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "some help there from prosecutor and then"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "she was told to stand down by uh Alex"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "Aosta,"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "future labor secretary under Trump told"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "her to stand down"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "and nothing has happened really since."}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "I mean you guys know what happened the"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "second time around. So that's the early"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "2000s"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "and people were talking about him being"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "um being an agency asset since then. So"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "I don't know why no one really talks"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "about that."}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "Clos thank you AJ. You're welcome. Glad"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "you watched."}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "New new list is too hot going to be no"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "list. No. And I don't think there's an"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "actual list list because we've seen the"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "list. We've seen the rolodex."}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "It's really we want to know who"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "perpetrated crimes against victims. We"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "want to know that and they know that who"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "where who has the tapes. I don't even"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "know where they're stored."}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "MC Hammer MD just want to say thank you"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "for all the work you do and thought that"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "goes into presenting all these"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "intriguing stories in a way that's both"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "entertaining and logical. It's credit to"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "your great mind. It's credit to my great"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "team and I appreciate that."}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "You know, a lot of credit goes to Ham"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "for getting the research together for"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "this"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "and selling me on the story because I"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "really wasn't sold on it at first. Ham"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "is our researcher and a lot of the time"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "we're we're doing like story pitches."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "It's me doing this."}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "No, no. So, he's telling me about he"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "goes the the Buchi Mountains"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "Bes. Yeah. Right. how you say it. I"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "said, \"I I don't think so.\" And then he"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "starts telling me the story and then I I"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "kind of feel myself leaning in a little"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "bit like, \"And then what? And then"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "what?\""}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "Anunnaki read it. All right, let's do"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "it. Let's do it. So then, um, he gave me"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "the research. I read the book. Actually"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "read the first three. I could have kept"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "going. There's seven books. And by the"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "way, they're they're easy reads. You can"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "find them online for free. I I don't"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "link to that stuff because uh I feel"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "like if you're going to read somebody's"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "book, you should buy it. But I bet it's"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "on Amazon for if like if you're a Kindle"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "member, Kindle Unlimited,"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "no sponsor, but they're a podcast"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "sponsor, but no sponsor. But Kindle"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "Unlimited, of which I'm a member, you"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "get all the like those old weird books"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "of those topics are usually free on"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "Clo will be in Alaska, the state fair."}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "I'll ask him about hecklefish. won't"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "know. He won't know Hecklefish or me."}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "But if you tell him about the bottom"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "line in New York in 83, you'll catch his"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "attention."}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "Teflon says, \"Hi from Romania.\""}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "How did how was hecklefish's Romanian at"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "the end of the episode? Did he Did he"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "nail it?"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "Appreciate that. David Gray is here."}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "Brian, hey, when are you coming to"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "Scotland? Heck should hang out with"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "Nessie. They have similar vices,"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "do they? Is Is Nessie into blorpus?"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "Blorpus bong hits."}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "Mama bear brain bucket fistable mug,"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "please. That's a pretty good uh mug"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "ideas. Brain bucket."}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "Grace says, \"My partner Michael's a big"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "fan.\" And now I am too. Do you attend"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "any annual con conferences? Also,"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "Hecklefish is on the Epstein files with"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "the eyeballs, with the googly eyes."}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "I don't I don't think he's powerful"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "enough to be on those on those tapes. Um"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "I never do any conferences. I really"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "never go anywhere. I don't like to I"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "just don't like to I believe it or not,"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "I'm I'm sort of antisocial and I'm"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "definitely on the spectrum borderline"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "autistic. I'm I'm like I'm totally good"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "by myself. And people like, \"No, no, no."}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "You need you need to socialize.\" I I"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "really don't. I I'm I'm fine. I'm just"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "I'm just fine not talking to anybody."}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "Hi."}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "She's down there going just her head is"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "just like this."}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "Jill G. Do you think the Anunnaki"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "manipulated our DNA? I don't think so,"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "but I could be wrong."}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "You know, that story shows up a lot. And"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "I mean, not just currently like like Rad"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "Cinear in his book, he had all the"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "stories in there, but they've already"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "been told a million times. His books"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "aren't that old. Early 2000s was the"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "first one. 2007 maybe. So not that old."}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "So the stories already been around"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "there. But the Anunnaki story in some"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "version shows up from ancient Sumer to"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "Egypt to India"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "in some version."}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "So there's definitely a great the great"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "flood for sure happened."}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "Still debating uh still debating why,"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "but the great flood for sure happened."}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "Anunnaki. I don't know."}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "I don't know if you guys are into Graham"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "Hancock. I'm assuming a lot of you are,"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "but he just posted his talk that he did"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "in Sedona not too long ago on his"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "channel. It's fascinating. Hour and 20"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "minutes flew by and he mostly talked"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "about the younger dest and and all the"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "science behind it and how we should be"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "worried about comets and impacts and"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "we're not. NASA's really saying there's,"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "you know, events like that happen every"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "hundred million years, so we're good."}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "But that's totally not true. Absolutely"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "not true. Um, you know, whether it's"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "Tonguska or what happened in uh in"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "Russia not too long ago, which I think I"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "covered, big air burst, things happen"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "all the time. So, um, so Atlas flying in"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "is is something that to be concerned"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "about"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "like because this is another object that"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "it came it came so fast and before they"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "spotted it like there there's no we have"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "no way of intercepting it. It's too late"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "because we just can't reach the speed"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "necessary to intercept it. From the"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "moment they saw it, we we couldn't get"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "Thank you, Diego. That's very nice of"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "you to say."}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "Smokey says, \"I never get notifications"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "on Patreon for the chat.\""}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "Well, if you're on Patreon, we we we"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "definitely announce it. If it's on"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "YouTube,"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "a lot of people say they don't get uh"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "notifications."}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "Avatar guy is here. Good to see you. RIP"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "Aussie. Agreed."}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "Bill Anki wrangle Carson younger dest"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "guru he was um he was at that talk um it"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "wasn't in Graham's video but"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "but you guys know all his theories are"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "very are fascinating"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "so and was interesting this was the"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "first time I saw Graham publicly"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "acknowledge and even give credence to"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "the possibility"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "that there was a solar event because"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "remember the the younger drius there's"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "two events there's you've got you've got"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "this ice age going back about 13,000"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "years ago or so, 135. You've got this"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "ice age and then suddenly it gets really"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "hot really fast"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "and then it gets and then it's sort of"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "that way for a while and then it gets"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "cold really fast. So something happened"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "in there"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "and it gets hot again."}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "So what Graham believes and it makes a"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "lot of sense to me is the first event"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "was it was a series of impacts that hit"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "the uh the North American ice sheet"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "you know many impacts kind of like a"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "Schumacher Levy and remember the"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "Schumacher Levy impacts were bigger than"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "the size of the Earth you know we see"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "them hitting Jupiter and it doesn't look"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "like that big of a deal but those"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "impacts were bigger than the size of the"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "Earth when they hit Jupiter. So, so the"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "first event being an impact and then the"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "second event possibly a solar storm. And"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "the those these are things I worry"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "about. I don't worry about nuclear war."}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "I don't worry about any of the political"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "stuff, but I worry about solar solar"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "storms and I worry about impacts."}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "So, speaking of next episode is going to"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "be about Apous,"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "which is a giant asteroid that's going"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "to make a near miss uh in a year or two."}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "And near misses are concerns"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "because near misses can become hits with"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "just a nudge because they're so their"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "trajectory is so far away and just a"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "nudge. So what would nudge a an"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "asteroid?"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "A supernova would do it. A supernova"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "from light light years away"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "could nudge an object off of its path"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "with just a pulse of energy."}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "W. Smith is the shroud of turn real. I"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "thought so. Then I thought it was"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "debunked and now I'm not so sure."}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "We may have to cover it."}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "You know, the box that it was in"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "was uh was part of a fire. The whole"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "structure is part of a fire, which makes"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "it hard to carbon date."}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "And I think the fire happened about a"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "thousand years ago. But I'm reading some"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "other stuff that that maybe it's real."}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "That'd be crazy if it was."}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "I hope it is."}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "Teach thing. How crazy would it be if if"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "Atlas slingshots around the sun and"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "pounds Uranus?"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "That would be that would be a lot of lot"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "of fun."}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "Dr. John Campbell's a good episode in"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "the Shroud. I don't know who he is, but"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "I'll I'll definitely look him up. I love"}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "that stuff."}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "You know, I'm not a religious guy, but I"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "love I love religion and the stories and"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "the legends."}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "I have not done a story on David Adair"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "Ryan, but if you want to hear it, I"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "don't know. I don't know why my my wife"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "is super chatting."}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "Where where is that?"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "Well, hey to you, but I don't know why"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "she's super chatting me with my money."}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "Don't do that. Save my money."}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "I'm just kidding. She earns it mostly."}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "It's still my my money."}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "Cole, congrats on breaking 5 mil."}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "Thanks."}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "RIP Hulk Hogan, another one, another"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "legend. You lost. And it was a shame"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "that he had to die with his with"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "everything falling apart with his"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "personal life and all that stuff. But"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "everyone who knew him said he was a good"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "guy."}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "But I, you know, we were big into"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "wrestling in the 80s. So I so I grew up"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "with Hulk Hogan as a he was a superstar,"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "you know, talking about Wrestlemania in"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "the 80s."}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "So we we followed wrestler wrestling"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "late 70s, early 80s, all the way"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "through. We even went to see live shows,"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "you know, when they were held at at at"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "high school um gymnasiums. Dad would"}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "take us,"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "but I stopped following it in like the"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "early 90s."}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "Uh K, did you see the lizard people"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "context warning that was on the Jerry"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "episode? I didn't see that. Did I Did"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "Did we even get into it?"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "Lizard people. Maybe"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "I just heard someone jump on. I want to"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "see who it was. I I think it's just, you"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "know, trying to figure it out. Gino's on"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "the road, so his internet may come in"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "and out. Eric Strickland saying spend"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "that money, lol."}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "Fizz gig, you know, he'd be lost without"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "you."}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "That's That's true. And that double that"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "whatever that is, that heart thing that"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "people I can't do it to me. It looks"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "like the bat signal. Like when I see"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "that icon, I'm like, \"Oh, cool. They"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "have a bat signal icon.\" But it's it's"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "it's not a bat signal."}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "Thanks, Dean. Enjoys the show."}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "Great. Ray wouldn't be a wrestling fan"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "now if it weren't for Hogan. Soul has a"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "special place in my heart. Yep."}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "Yeah, he was great."}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "Jose, love the Hulk versus Macho Man"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "fights. Those were so good."}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "And you know, as a a as a young"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "teenager,"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "you know, all the teenage boys, we loved"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "Randy because uh because Elizabeth was"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "We all had pictures of of Macha Man"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "Elizabeth on our walls."}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "She people saying I looked a little more"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "rested. I I am"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "We had a hard year, but I mean, we're"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "out of it. I felt pretty good for for"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "quite a while. Yeah. You can see the"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "weights on."}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "You can see that that the muscle tone's"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "coming back. 75 push-ups in 60 seconds."}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "New record."}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "There needs to be a heck of a symbol,"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "says Mark. If you're a member on the"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "channel, you get you can you uh get"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "access to those icons."}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "Sir says, \"If you ever uh if you two"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "ever come to Australia, I'll be your"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "local guide.\" Sounds fun. I don't think"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "so. I don't I don't really leave the"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "house, much less the country."}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "I'd like to see Australia. It's just"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "that's a long flight, man."}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "All the uh all the channel members are"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "now taunting you with their hecklefish"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "icons. I'm just saying."}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "I'm just saying. All right, hang on."}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "What's going on in super chats?"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "I have the main chat going, too, so"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "don't worry if you want to if you want"}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "to talk."}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "I got both chats going. Mischief, uh"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "spreading the love. Thank you for the"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "five memberships."}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "YouTube unsubscribed me from you. How"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "dare they? That's crazy."}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "But it's not the first time I've heard"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "And and I don't get it. I have a good"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "relationship with YouTube. I'm not at"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "odds with them, you know, like like"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "Rokin was at odds with YouTube for for"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "years. Demonetized, all that. I"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "as far as I know, YouTube does not have"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "a problem with me. You know, my my"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "YouTube manager is one of the top in the"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "in the in the company."}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "going, you know, we we've hung out a few"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "times. Takes good care of me. So, I"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "don't I don't know why people don't get"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "notifications. I don't know why I get"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "unsubbed. I I think I'm okay with the"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "platform, but you know, I don't really"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "know."}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "Hellcat, can you do an episode on CIA"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "codes? If you you have to be more"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "specific, but I' I'd love to. I think I"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "need to revisit the number station"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "episode."}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "I think I'm I can expand on that."}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "T saying the guide to see the after"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "files is back. really missing you guys."}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "If a giant lit its heart on fire, would"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "it be a war crime? Can we get a tinfoil"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "hat emoji? We can get we can get a"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "tinfoil hat emoji. And I like the way"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "your your mind works"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "cuz now now I'm picturing it. You know h"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "how can you not picture a giant lighting"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "fart? There's quantum very reliable. The"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "after file is always the best day of the"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "week for me as well. I enjoy doing this."}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "Deslon saying, \"Stop talking in"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "circles.\" He must be talking to someone"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "in the chat. You're not talking to me."}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "Paul is here. Paul, the most uh the"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "biggest financial supporter of the"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "channel since the beginning. Uh yes, and"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "after files on a Thursday, the world is"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "healing. Totally agree. Things feel like"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "they're back where they belong."}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "So, it's good to see Paul here. He's a"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "mod as well. Lot of new members joining."}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "Very nice of you guys. Let me see if I"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "can if it will let me gift memberships"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "here. It won't. It won't. Let me see if"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "I can if I can gift memberships to my"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "other account. Hang on. Hang on. Just"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "give me a second."}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "You think this passes for a live stream?"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "Think again."}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "I know. I know. This hurts my feelings."}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "All right. Maps of the new world."}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "Oh, that's on backstage. Hang on."}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "And when people ask, you know, what is"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "the after files? It's this. It's just me"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "just just"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "not able to do anything. It's this. It's"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "just me. Yeah, there. There it goes. All"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "right, let's see if it'll let me do it"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "here. There we go. All right, I'll drop"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "I'll drop some memberships in the chat."}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "All right, that should work."}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "K Jester, thank you for the super"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "sticker, my friend."}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "Toxic toxic fart 999. Y files after"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "files. Yes."}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "Oh yeah, baby. Slip that in my G-string."}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "All right, enough with that. Take it"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "easy."}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "The Mountain Cowboy. How many members"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "are there? I honestly don't know. I have"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "no idea how many members we have. It"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "could be a 100. It could be 100"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "thousand. I don't really know."}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "I could check, but it"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "you you'd have to watch me just struggle"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "for 10 more minutes."}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "Paul dropping some memberships into the"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "uh the chat for you guys. Appreciate"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "Jonathan Underwood dropping his first"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "super uh super on live stream. Thank you"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "for that. The Mr. Wilson sending five"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "memberships."}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "Mona for two pound as a Romanian. Thank"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "you for tonight's episode. You're very"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "welcome. It was a good story. Um, and I"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "didn't see anyone, no one's really"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "covered it. Like, if you look for the"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "story, you're not going to find too many"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "episodes uh of people covering it. I"}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "mean, you will now. You'll see a bunch"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "now, but uh but it's nice to to be"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "an early creator on stories like that."}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "Like Mel's Hole. I couldn't find"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "anything on it. You can now, but uh but"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "that was a great story to cover."}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "And there's a few more Artbell stories"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "coming. If you uh if you guys are into"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "art belt"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "tribe fan didn't get a notification. I'm"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "not surprised. Neesto 6 WTF is a"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "membership for it's for a few things."}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "Membership is $3 and every month members"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "get a coupon code for 10% off everything"}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "in the Wile store. So if you're not"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "going to be if you're not going to buy"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "buy anything from the store, there's no"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "reason to be a member except to support"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "the team. I don't take any of that"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "money. It goes to the W files team."}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "So, if you want to join for"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "or whatever, let it pay for itself and"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "then cancel, that's totally cool. But"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "the membership, the membership money"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "does go to the team."}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "So, that's what it's for. Just support."}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "And look, if you if you have the money"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "to support on Patreon, great. But um"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "support all the creators that you follow"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "because it's so important."}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "You know, we're not we're not rogens"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "here with with big giant contracts."}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "So, I get nervous when I hear that"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "YouTube is not promoting the show or"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "pushing out notifications because if if"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "YouTube shut me down, it it would this"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "would be over. Everything would be done."}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "I would have to just live on Patreon. Uh"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "the team would have to go go away. It"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "would just be mean hecklefish again. So,"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "if you can afford to to support other"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "creators, I support a bunch on Patreon."}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "Creators that I don't even really watch."}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "I just like three bucks, five bucks,"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "three bucks, five bucks. I don't know,"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "maybe it's $50, $55 a month I spend on"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "Patreon for about five or six creators"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "because I know it makes a big difference"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "to have just an extra 500 bucks coming"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "in and it lets you keep doing this. And"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "then every once in a while, someone is"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "lucky enough to break through. You know,"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "I I count myself as very fortunate. I"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "still don't know why we're here, but uh"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "but but here we are. Thanks, Harmony"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "Nation. Good to see you. I appreciate"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "that. Innocuous is here. Princess Trash"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "Panda has received a gift from Paul."}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "It's nice. Juan Cooper, good to see you."}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "You're very welcome. Kers is here. Love"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "you back."}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "Adam Gun, less than 1 million subs in"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "2023. quite a meteoric rise. 2023 was a"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "crazy year that that's when the channel"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "exploded. You know, things have have"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "definitely leveled off. 2023 the channel"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "exploded, but ever since then it's just"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "been pretty flat. I'm not complaining."}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "You know, we got to we got to 2 million."}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "From 1 million to 2 million was very"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "fast. To get to 1 million took a long"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "time. To get to 1,000 took a long time."}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "I I've I don't read this much anymore,"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "but uh but like during late 2023, people"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "kept as like saying on Reddit that"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "clearly I was a CIA asset because the"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "channel just exploded out of nowhere."}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "But that the channel was there for two"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "years. Nobody watched it. I I did 50"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "episodes the first year and I ended that"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "after the first year, I think I had"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "5,000 subscribers"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "and and videos were getting like 1,200"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "views. So they were subscribers. No one"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "was watching it."}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:00", "text": "Even when I hit 250,000 subs, those were"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "those are just like kids coming over"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "from watching shorts. I had 250,000"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "subs, which looked great, but the videos"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "were still getting 1,200 views. Nobody"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "was watching."}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "So that's why it's great to hit the"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "milestone with the subscribers, but it's"}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "really just a vanity number that makes"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "the channel look big. It's views that"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "count. That's what helps us. That's what"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "helps the sponsors. It's views. Views."}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "views. So, people were very excited that"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "the Y files has been showing up on like"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "Watch Mojo's top 20 this, top 10 this."}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "It's cool. They're on Watch Mojo that"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "it's got, I don't know, 25 million"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "subscribers or whatever, but nobody"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "watches that. Nobody watches Watch Mojo."}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "All due respect, all due respect, 20"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "million subscribers and, you know, 2,000"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "views, 20,000 views. Nobody's watching"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "So I, you know, I when people said you"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "were Watch Mojo, I'm like, is that still"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "a thing? I don't want to click on it"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "because I don't want them in my feed."}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "All due respect."}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "All due respect."}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "Mark Morrison says, \"The Moth Man stole"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "my catalytic converter.\" Is that why it"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "smells like farts in your garage? Blame"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "it on the Moth Man."}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "No more blaming it on the dog. Now it's"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "Now it's the Moth Man's fault. Fault."}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "You can smell that. It's the moth man."}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "He stole my cat converter."}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "Charlie Zulu Oscar CZ CZO."}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "Hello to all my lizard people. Four"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "month member."}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "Brian P do a Jackie Gleason Nixon alien"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "encounter episode. That's that would be"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "a great one to do. Um I had only heard a"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "little bits about that story before Joe"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "mentioned it,"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "but I think Mara knows a lot about that"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "story. I can ask him about it. But could"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "you imagine going to see a UFO with"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon and how"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "much drinking was done on that on that"}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "adventure?"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "I'm a huge Gleon fan. I've I've been"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "re-watching the honeymooners,"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "you know, since I bit torrented them a"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "month ago. Did I say bit torrent? I"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "meant paid for. I'm sorry. Don't Don't"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "do it, kids. Don't pay for pay for your"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "content. Armen Nation, you did an"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "outstanding job on the show. I"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "appreciate that. I was nervous."}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "And there's Dr. Nan K. You did great on"}, {"end": "00:52:27", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "Jr. Love you all and keep up the"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "fantastic work. Will you keep up the"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:27", "text": "fantastic avatars?"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "Mike D for 251."}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "Mama, thanks for the tip, human."}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "What podcast is up next? Is Sean Ryan"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "going out there in about three weeks"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "and uh his he goes four hours."}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "So I hope there's a bathroom break"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "because you know grandpa and his"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "prostate I can go 2 hours and 50 minutes"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "and without needing to use the restroom."}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "That's my limit. Two hours and 50"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "minutes. Rogan was 2 hour 57. So that"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "means I had seven very uncomfortable"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "minutes toward the end there. And I feel"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "like I get seen on my face like I'm"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "squirming. I'm doing the pe like the pee"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "pee squirm. And I was even tempted to"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "like, you know, you let out a little"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "dribble to just hold you over. Like it"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "was so I could wet my pants. No one's"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "going to see it. No one would believe"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "him anyway."}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "But uh but but l but luckily I saw him"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "look over my shoulder where the clock is"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "and and as soon as he looked at the"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "clock I went, \"Okay, we're going to I'm"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "almost out. I'm almost out.\""}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "Ran right to the bathroom. did not see"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "him sits."}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "So just just like on the way in was"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "crushing, the way out was the same. On"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "the way out is just I took the swag he"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "didn't want and I just I got in the car"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "and I left. That was it. No good to see"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "you buddy. No hug, no no fist bump, no"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "dinner invite, no come on over to the"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "mothership on me. None of it. Just get"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "out. All right. We got more views than"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "Jordan Peterson and Bernie Sanders. I'm"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "just saying. But cool. That's whatever."}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "You know, I'll remember. I'm I'm moving"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "up the ladder, Joe. I'll remember. You"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "know who stepped on me to go up. You got"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "to see those people on the way down."}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "I'll remember you. That's your number. I"}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "mean, I literally got your number. Don't"}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "tell him I said any of this. Gino"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "Wilma Titz for 199. I see Gino. Gino's"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "down because Gino talks to Joe still."}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "You know, I I would only I only texted"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "him about the show and that's it. I will"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "not. But Gino talks to him and he's his"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "friend."}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "So don't don't you G you know can I get"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "a a signal you're not going to say any"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "of this right? No. Okay cool. He's going"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "to he keep a secret. You know it's bros"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "before Joe's. You know what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "How am I now just seeing this? Nobody"}, {"end": "00:54:58", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "called me. Probably didn't get a"}, {"end": "00:54:58", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "notification."}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "Nick Newsome. No fist bump. Nothing. No."}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "I mean, literally,"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "we we left the studio cuz there's a"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "whole other part to his building. You"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "know, you've heard about the archery"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "range and all that stuff. I didn't get a"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "tour. I didn't get anything. Um,"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "no, I didn't get, you know, access to"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "the kitchen. I got to the restroom and"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "that's it. There was no there was"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "nobody."}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "Even his guys were just like, \"Car's out"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "there. Grab grab grab your stuff. Get"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "out.\""}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "That's fine. I was just happy to get"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "out. I was happy to get out of there and"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "I felt like I I think it went okay."}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "Uh Rusty Shackleford, which is a great"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "name. AJ, don't ask for much, but please"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "reach out to Ninjas and Butterflies"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "podcast is a great pot and their fans"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "who talk about you a lot. I've I've"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "heard them uh shout out the channel and"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "I know they watch. They look super fun."}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "They haven't reached out. So when people"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "ask, you know, hey, go on this podcast"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "or go on that one. Like someone in"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "Patreon said, \"Hey, would you go on and"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "and would you go on Lex Friedman"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "podcast, please?\" And my answer is,"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "\"Okay, he hasn't invited me. I only go"}, {"end": "00:56:11", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "to where I'm invited.\" You know, I I"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "don't promote. I didn't call Joe or call"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:11", "text": "Shawn Ryan or any of these guys and ask"}, {"end": "00:56:18", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "to go on. They reached out."}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "And I really don't do podcasts and stuff"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:18", "text": "like that, but when when Rogan asks,"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "\"You got to do it.\" and Sean Ryan when"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "he asked you got to do it. So I would"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "Ninjas of Butterflies looks cool."}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "I'd go on their show. I I think I mean"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "they look like nice guys. I don't I"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "don't follow the channel but but they"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "seem like nice guys talking about"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "interesting stuff."}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "So if you want to check them out"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "the Bacorn Lex Asset Man."}, {"end": "00:56:51", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "I I don't I don't think so."}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:49", "text": "But is that's almost a meme at this"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:51", "text": "point is every podcaster is an ass is is"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "an asset"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "and nobody really is. I know Sean Ryan"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "is CIA"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "but he he's not really"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "but I'm going to talk to him about it."}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "Mama Bear. OMG live chat on YouTube."}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "First time chiming in. I missed the"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "lives with Gino story hour via via"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "PowerPoint presentations and taking a"}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "shot every time he said um Oh, he's"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "listening right now. He does not like"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "like that. The channel has come a long"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "way. Congrats on 5 mil. Thanks, Mama"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "Bear."}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "Yeah, I missed those two. Like for a"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "while, we produced Gino Story Hour so"}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "the editors would edit out all the ums."}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "And look, he's not the only one who does"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "it. It's not like I'm Mr. Slick. You"}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "guys see the final cut. I have I"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "actually pulled a um a blooper reel from"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "this episode because I couldn't"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "pronounce weapons of mass destruction. I"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "could not say the word destruction. I"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "couldn't do it. I think 14 or 15 takes"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "in and if you go back and listen to the"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "episode, I still don't really pronounce"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "it well because I was in my head. But I"}, {"end": "00:57:59", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "was getting so frustrated that it was"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "becoming funny to me. So I pulled the"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:59", "text": "clips and I'll assemble those together"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "and I'll throw them on on backstage in"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "in a day or two. just me going"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "instruction just instruction I could not"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "say I was so there would be swear words"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "in it there would be laughing in it and"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "I finally got close enough and you hear"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "me go"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "so that's why there's a cut if you watch"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "if you watch that scene I say"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "destruction poorly and then we cut to"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "black because I had to I had to cut"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "everything down uh oh private chat let's"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "see what's going on"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "saying ninjas and butterflies have"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "reached out um just forward that to"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "Victoria and uh we'll check it out. I'll"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "go over there. Gino, drop in the uh in"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "the private where they are unless"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "someone knows where they are because I I"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "don't really do Zoom and uh Gino saying"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "they speak to Josh. You mean Josh who"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "who used to work for the channel?"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "Okay, remember I I read the private chat"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "to everybody"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "like Ron Burgundy."}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "Paul is saying remember YouTube gives"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "out memberships randomly. Nobody's"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "playing favorites. It's just all luck."}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "That's important to know because I see a"}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "lot of people saying, \"Oh, man. I want a"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "membership.\" And I see people saying, \"I"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "don't have enough money, but I'd love a"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "membership,\" which breaks my heart. I'd"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "love to give you one, but when you buy"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "memberships, they they just get"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "scattered. It's just totally random. I"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "wish there was a way that you can target"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "people, but you can't. You just you buy"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "20 or five or whatever, and they just"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "throw them in there."}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "So, no one was playing favorites. It's"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "just all random."}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "GI ninjas are in Florida. Whereabouts?"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "Cuz Florida would be easy if it's Tampa"}, {"end": "00:59:48", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "cuz that's near mom. Not that I would"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "stay at mom's. I I don't you don't mom's"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:48", "text": "guest bed. That's terrible. Worst worst"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "guest bed ever, which I reminded her"}, {"end": "00:59:58", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "about for 5 years or so. And then I just"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "started staying at the Hilton. And then"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:58", "text": "she said, \"Well, now I don't know a"}, {"end": "01:00:02", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "couple years ago.\" Well, now you now you"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "can stay at the house. we got a new bed"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:02", "text": "for the guest bedroom. So, I went there"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "and it's terrible. I said, \"This this is"}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "new.\""}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "She's like, \"Yeah, we got it from"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:11", "text": "walmart.com for it was it was $179.\" I"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "was like, \"Well, I feel it. $179. It's"}, {"end": "01:00:22", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "going to cost me more than that for the"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "for the the Swedish mass massage and the"}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:22", "text": "chiropractor.\""}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "But, you know, but Tampa's got a nice"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "Hilton,"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "you know, at least they have a they have"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "a lobby bar. Mom's Your mom's only got a"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "couple of bottles of bourbon."}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "Crunkle, it's just luck of the draw."}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "Tveris, Florida. I don't know where that"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "is. Florida people got, you know, I'm"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "from New York, so Florida is Tampa and"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "Miami and Bokeh. That's those that's"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "what we know. I know more than that. I"}, {"end": "01:00:55", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "know I I honestly know where places are"}, {"end": "01:00:57", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "there, but only the big cities. Road"}, {"end": "01:01:00", "start": "01:00:55", "text": "trip is happy to see after files back."}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:57", "text": "Me, too."}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:01:00", "text": "Get a push bag, not a bed, says Nick"}, {"end": "01:01:10", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "Newsome. Well, you tell mom."}, {"end": "01:01:10", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "I will still stay at the hotel,"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:10", "text": "which hurts her feelings, by the way."}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "And I guess I got to be careful because"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "she watches this sometimes."}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "Brian says, \"Weird's going to"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "Huntsville, Alabama. I'm going also.\""}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "Definitely do it if even if you're not a"}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "Weirdowl fan. Even if you're just kind"}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "of"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "think he's funny, his shows are an"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "extravaganza."}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "If you are a fan, you're going to love"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "it because he does all the hits in"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "costume. So when he comes out, when he"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "does fat, he comes out in the fat suit"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "and during the costume changes behind"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "him is a giant screen and he rolls clips"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "that are hilar hilarious clips from like"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "LTV back in the day, clips from UHF."}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "When the naked gun scene came on,"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "everybody went bananas for that. But"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "when I lost my mind"}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "is when the clips go, it goes dark and"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "then you just hear"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "you hear the bass and he comes out on"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "the Segway with the with the do-agg on."}, {"end": "01:02:09", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "I just lost it. White nerdy came on."}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "He played for over two hours. Man's in"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:09", "text": "his 60s. Played for almost two hours"}, {"end": "01:02:16", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "and said good night and then we're just"}, {"end": "01:02:18", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "screaming"}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:16", "text": "saga saga. If you guys know, he does the"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:18", "text": "the Star Wars song as the saga begins. A"}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "long long time ago in a galaxy far away"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "under an attack"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "and he came out and he did that as the"}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "encore. He comes out in his Jedi suit,"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "sits on the stool and behind him is"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "Darth Vader just standing there as a"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "bouncer and then the Stormtroopers"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "behind him dancing, synchronized"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "Stormtrooper dancing. I don't know if"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "it's the 505 or is it the 501? I know he"}, {"end": "01:02:52", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "uses them sometimes, but uh"}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "super fun. When we saw him do that one"}, {"end": "01:02:58", "start": "01:02:52", "text": "in, uh in LA at the Greek again, front"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "row, front row, front row, right, which"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:58", "text": "was a gift from Gino,"}, {"end": "01:03:06", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "everyone had they were giving away"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "lightsabers to to all the fans. So that"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:06", "text": "came on and instead of people holding up"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "their phones or the lighters, everyone"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "was just waving the lightsabers. Oh, it"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "was such a good time."}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "Michael saying it's the five first."}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "Yeah, that's right. 501"}, {"end": "01:03:26", "start": "01:03:19", "text": "Jilbert asking 507th. The 501st is"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "there's larers really. They're just that"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:26", "text": "just they get together dress up as"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "stormtroopers and they they're like an"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "actual regiment that you know they do"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "stormtrooper stuff. You can hire them"}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "for parties or events. I'd love an"}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "excuse to hire those guys but I can't I"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "can't really think of one."}, {"end": "01:03:44", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "Alicino saying LTV exclamation point."}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "UHF exclamation point. If you're into"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:44", "text": "all that stuff, you would love his show."}, {"end": "01:03:53", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "Here I am promoting it."}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "Uh by Cook says, \"Badass cosplayers.\""}, {"end": "01:03:57", "start": "01:03:53", "text": "They are. And they they're serious about"}, {"end": "01:04:00", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "it, too. You know, they they march in"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:57", "text": "formation."}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:04:00", "text": "Mark Markland very generous gifting 20"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "memberships to the chat. Appreciate"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "that. Spreading the love."}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "Paul gifting more. Here's Ethan for $10."}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "Shigity shity."}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "My daughter and I leave your channel."}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "Oh. Oh, my daughter. I probably mean"}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "love it. Love your channel. Playing 247."}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "Would you give her a shout out please?"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "Isaiah."}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "Hi Isaiah. Hi Isaiah. Love you guys and"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "thank you for the man's work. Hi Isaiah."}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "You have a cool dad."}, {"end": "01:04:40", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "How old is she? Ethan, open a ticket on"}, {"end": "01:04:43", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "Discord and I'll send her something"}, {"end": "01:04:43", "start": "01:04:40", "text": "signed."}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:43", "text": "Gilbert, I dress up for premieres. I'm"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "65 years old. Perfect. God bless you."}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "You're You are home. You're one of us."}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "John Sergey saying Vader someday later,"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "but now he's just a small fry. That's"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "it. He left his home and kissed his"}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "mommy goodbye, saying I'm going to be a"}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "Jedi."}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "Did you guys hear that?"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "What's going on?"}, {"end": "01:05:19", "start": "01:05:14", "text": "All right. I heard something. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "yeah, we're good. We're good. We're"}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "strapped. We're good. We're covered."}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "Deina is saying, \"Third Wi-Fi premier in"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:25", "text": "a row. Just finished an hour of my spin"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:26", "text": "bike workout. An hour while watching the"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "Wi-Fi. What could be better? What could"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:31", "text": "be better than an hour on on a bike?\""}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "Everything on the planet Earth except"}, {"end": "01:05:39", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "that. So many things are better than"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "that. But I do appreciate the"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:39", "text": "compliment. An hour of spin class."}, {"end": "01:05:48", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "That is a thigh master right there."}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "Thigh mistress."}, {"end": "01:05:52", "start": "01:05:48", "text": "Badass."}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "I think I can get to 80 push-ups in 60"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:52", "text": "seconds, but I don't think I have enough"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "time to do more. And boy, those last"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "five are killer."}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "This way says it's the men in black."}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "Don't think I don't think about that."}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "Like sometimes when when Gino will show"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "up at the studio, he he's a middle of"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "the nighter. So he'll come in through"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "the door and he'll just go, \"Don't"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "shoot. Don't shoot.\""}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "Which is which you have to do because he"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "says, \"Don't shoot.\" Then he hears like"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "he hears the decocker and he hears"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "everything getting put put away."}, {"end": "01:06:31", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "You know, it's it's it's it's Vegas"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "right off the freeway, man. It's"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:31", "text": "It's not a It's not, you know, it's not"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "a nice neighborhood."}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "Jalap\u00f1ena saying, \"Where's Zack Baggins?"}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "Is it Baggin?\" Baggin. He's uh Hegelish"}, {"end": "01:06:45", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "calls him the Ghost Bro. I don't know."}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:42", "text": "I'm assuming he still does shows. I"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:45", "text": "mean, he must have made a bunch of money"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "from that show. I mean, he must have"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "because during one of those episodes, he"}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "bought the house, that house that was"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "haunted or whatever, and I think had it"}, {"end": "01:07:02", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "torn down. That's commitment."}, {"end": "01:07:05", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "Hey, know we're not buying any houses to"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:02", "text": "destroy on this channel."}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:05", "text": "Razor, what what kind of tool you got"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "guns wise?"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "Got them all. Got all kinds."}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "Uh, six, seven pistols, uh, AR and, uh,"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "and a Benelli."}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "Bas, it's basically the John Wick"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "package."}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "U, I'm not I'm not a total gun nut,"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "though. You know, I have guns. I I I I"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "like guns, but I'm not like a gun guy. I"}, {"end": "01:07:31", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "don't go to shows. My AR is not all"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "custom stuff."}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:31", "text": "It's all just pretty basic, but I but"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "I've carried for many, many years. My"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "everyday is a uh a Sig P365. Probably"}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "the best carry gun there is. AJ looks"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "like Corey Feldman."}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "That That means I'm getting old. That"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "means I'm getting old because, you know,"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "I used to get uh"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "you know, RDJ, but I guess I'm getting"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "old if I'm looking like Corey. And And"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "look, I"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "I've seen Corey in person not that long"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "ago."}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "That means I I still got some work to"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:03", "text": "do. I got I got to get more push-ups in"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "because Corey was not looking good. And"}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "I'm not disrespecting Corey because he"}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "was a good dude and uh he went through"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "hell in Hollywood and uh when he came"}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "out about some of the stuff that was"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "done to him, he was ridiculed and he was"}, {"end": "01:08:23", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "right about all of it."}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "You know, he was he was he was a nice"}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:23", "text": "guy and he was really nice to the team."}, {"end": "01:08:29", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "Mo, as a Romanian, I know that the BJ"}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "mountains have a long history of hidden"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:29", "text": "tunnels inside them. Still hidden. Look"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:31", "text": "up the Vinka civilization. I will do"}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "that. We didn't really cover the the"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "Sphinx that much, but that's but there"}, {"end": "01:08:41", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "really is a Sphinx up there in the"}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "mountains and I think I'm pronouncing"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:41", "text": "that right. You can corre correct me."}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "Bes"}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "is a womanizer though, maybe. I don't"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:49", "text": "know anything about that. I don't judge"}, {"end": "01:08:56", "start": "01:08:51", "text": "people on what that on what they do."}, {"end": "01:08:58", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "woman. If it's consensual womanizing,"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:56", "text": "that's really none of my concern. As if"}, {"end": "01:09:02", "start": "01:08:58", "text": "he's hurt people, then he should be"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:09:00", "text": "buried under the prison. But if it's"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:02", "text": "consensual, I don't I don't really care."}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "Guns don't shoot people. P3 320s shoot"}, {"end": "01:09:12", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "people. Or sometimes the P320 just"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "shoots people on Oh, you guys are Oh,"}, {"end": "01:09:15", "start": "01:09:12", "text": "you That's exactly what you're talking"}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "about. Yeah, someone just got"}, {"end": "01:09:19", "start": "01:09:15", "text": "got killed. An airman got killed from"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "the P320 uh 320, which I which in the"}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:19", "text": "surface is is that an M18? An M8? It's"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "called something different."}, {"end": "01:09:29", "start": "01:09:24", "text": "because it's it's weird because uh cuz"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "Zeb Zeb is probably here was getting a"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:29", "text": "carry and he was asking me some gun"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "questions and again I'm not a gun nut so"}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "I just know the basics. So I told my"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "carry sig said I'm worried about"}, {"end": "01:09:43", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "carrying a loaded gun that doesn't have"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "a safety and I'm like it's a Sig. It's"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:43", "text": "Sigs they they make a few miles with"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "safeties now but but Sigs are known for"}, {"end": "01:09:51", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "no safety just hot one in the pipe ready"}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "to go and it's a SIG. It's not going to"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:51", "text": "go off. And then that story came out and"}, {"end": "01:09:57", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "I was like, \"Oh my goodness.\" And I"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "looked into it and there's the 320 has"}, {"end": "01:10:01", "start": "01:09:57", "text": "gone off quite there's quite a few"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "times."}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:10:01", "text": "I haven't seen any issues with the 365."}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "But nothing is more terrifying to a man"}, {"end": "01:10:09", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "who does who with an appendix carry,"}, {"end": "01:10:14", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "which means right in front of your"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:09", "text": "crotch and that guns goes off."}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:14", "text": "No, I'm not looking for any gender"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "affirming care like that."}, {"end": "01:10:23", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "Larry, can we drop the the 320 stuff?"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "I'm fine with it. You guys stop talking"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:23", "text": "about it in the chat. I'll stop talking"}, {"end": "01:10:29", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "about it. Franco's Glock all day. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "I don't like plastic. I'm only teasing"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:29", "text": "you. I got a Glock for the wife."}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "Dear SC for 10, thank you for being"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:37", "text": "awesome. Love your channel. You're a"}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "more digestible Sam Tripoli. Oh, much"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "respect to Sam. I used to produce his"}, {"end": "01:10:49", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "show at my at my studio. He's he's a"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "good dude, too. He's definitely bananas"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:49", "text": "with the conspiracy stuff, but I find"}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "him very entertaining. And Sam is a good"}, {"end": "01:10:59", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "guy and he's very very funny."}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:56", "text": "I think he's you'll he's hard to find on"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:59", "text": "YouTube because they do not promote him,"}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "but he's definitely worth uh checking"}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "out."}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:07", "text": "There's Nick B for $100. You know what"}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "that means?"}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "human."}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "I want you to know I said human. Thank"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:28", "text": "you for all the dough tipping as I'm"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "sure you will find."}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "Always is a good time."}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "It's fun to tip the f"}, {"end": "01:11:55", "start": "01:11:50", "text": "Nick for $100. Got so excited to see the"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:52", "text": "notification. You got a not"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:55", "text": "great. Um, glad to have you back. Have"}, {"end": "01:12:00", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "you heard of the Voyager satellites"}, {"end": "01:12:02", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "sending back photos and breaking the"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:12:00", "text": "scientist's brains from left to right"}, {"end": "01:12:06", "start": "01:12:02", "text": "brain? Mr. Kaku mentioned it. I haven't"}, {"end": "01:12:09", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "seen that. I know that the Voyager went"}, {"end": "01:12:11", "start": "01:12:06", "text": "dark for a while but came back, but I"}, {"end": "01:12:13", "start": "01:12:09", "text": "don't think it's sending uh photos, but"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:11", "text": "we can look into that. Hey, Victoria."}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:13", "text": "Hey, Gino. How are y'all?"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "Hey,"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:18", "text": "we're not doing a Gino story hour."}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "Uh I don't have one prepared. Uh I could"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "tell you a little bit about what's been"}, {"end": "01:12:28", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "going on the last month or so uh with"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "us."}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:28", "text": "No, we could talk um we could talk three"}, {"end": "01:12:35", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "uh three Atlas if you want."}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "Okay. You you were on um you were you on"}, {"end": "01:12:38", "start": "01:12:35", "text": "Vetted? Where did that that interview"}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "go?"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:38", "text": "Uh me and Patrick from Vetted were"}, {"end": "01:12:46", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "together. We were uh doing um some"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "psionics uh investigations for the last"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:46", "text": "two weeks or or so and uh and that story"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "came out uh that so um we uh sat down"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "and talked about it for a few minutes."}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "Now, interesting. You mentioned before"}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "when you were talking about it um and I"}, {"end": "01:13:06", "start": "01:12:59", "text": "brought it up in the um while I was uh"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "talking there is it's going too fast for"}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:06", "text": "us to catch up to it."}, {"end": "01:13:10", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "Is that right?"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "Now, if it's coming from behind the sun"}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:10", "text": "and that means it's coming right at us."}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "So, how could it be going too fast if"}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:14", "text": "we're if it's if we're on the way to it"}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "and it's on the way to us?"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "because you have to you have to get"}, {"end": "01:13:26", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "escape the earth's uh gravity and we"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "just don't have the engines that can get"}, {"end": "01:13:31", "start": "01:13:26", "text": "out and out there in time no matter"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "where it is because it's it's not going"}, {"end": "01:13:39", "start": "01:13:31", "text": "to get any closer than 1.3 AUs. So one"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "so that's what 130% the distance of the"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:39", "text": "Earth to the Sun"}, {"end": "01:13:46", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "120 million miles. It's just that's the"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "closest it's going to get to us."}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:46", "text": "Okay, so let me ask this. We're the"}, {"end": "01:13:55", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "Earth and it's over here. And can't we"}, {"end": "01:13:57", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "shoot a rocket this way and as it's"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:55", "text": "passing us catch it? We can't catch it"}, {"end": "01:14:03", "start": "01:13:57", "text": "no matter what. No way to do it. So,"}, {"end": "01:14:05", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "they're thinking about retasking maybe"}, {"end": "01:14:07", "start": "01:14:03", "text": "the Juno probe when it when it gets"}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:05", "text": "close to Jupiter. Maybe retasking that"}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:07", "text": "to see if they can get some stuff. But"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "it's moving real fast. I don't know if"}, {"end": "01:14:15", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "you guys got into it, but it's moving."}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "It's moving faster than it really"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:15", "text": "should. three times as fast as anything"}, {"end": "01:14:22", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "we've ever seen. I think"}, {"end": "01:14:24", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "way faster than a mumua because it's"}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:22", "text": "it's going to come in and out of here."}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:24", "text": "You know, assuming it's not an alien"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "invasion like Avi Lo says, assuming that"}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "um it's going to be in and out of here,"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "I think from mid August to December."}, {"end": "01:14:40", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "So what"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "six so 90 days which is a which is"}, {"end": "01:14:45", "start": "01:14:40", "text": "really a short time because"}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "people don't realize how big the like"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:45", "text": "the solar system is. It's unfathomably"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "huge."}, {"end": "01:14:57", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "Uh I I wish Bruce Willis was here to"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "help us. But I said unvetted"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:14:57", "text": "Ben a little credit."}, {"end": "01:15:07", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "What if um AmuA Mua was the probe that"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:03", "text": "sent information back to to Atlas?"}, {"end": "01:15:11", "start": "01:15:07", "text": "It's interesting. Amu Mua came from a"}, {"end": "01:15:13", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "different part of the galaxy."}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:11", "text": "So Amu Mua they think came from a from"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:13", "text": "from the other arm. This is coming from"}, {"end": "01:15:19", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "dead center which is interesting because"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "the middle of the galaxy is very crowded"}, {"end": "01:15:25", "start": "01:15:19", "text": "with stuff. You know, the the one thing"}, {"end": "01:15:27", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "I don't understand also on it is there's"}, {"end": "01:15:29", "start": "01:15:25", "text": "so many stories about space travel that"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:27", "text": "say, \"Oh, they don't have to travel the"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:29", "text": "same way that we do. They're able to to"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "take, you know, take the piece of paper"}, {"end": "01:15:37", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "and they bend it and they're touching.\""}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "Well, what are we waiting for then? Why"}, {"end": "01:15:41", "start": "01:15:37", "text": "aren't they just beaming over here?"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "That's why I lean towards it's probably"}, {"end": "01:15:44", "start": "01:15:41", "text": "just a natural thing flying through the"}, {"end": "01:15:47", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "sky."}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:44", "text": "It probably is. Um, what's interesting"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:47", "text": "about it is we're gonna we're going to"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "know all the things. You know, spect"}, {"end": "01:15:55", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "specttoraphy just came back."}, {"end": "01:15:58", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "Spectrography spect light light analysis"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:55", "text": "came just came back."}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:58", "text": "So, they're seeing that there's ice that"}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "there's a lot of ice there. They I don't"}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "know if they detected anything metallic."}, {"end": "01:16:07", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "Uh,"}, {"end": "01:16:09", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "I don't think they've detected a tail"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:07", "text": "yet, but it's still pretty far away. But"}, {"end": "01:16:13", "start": "01:16:09", "text": "when it gets a little closer, if it if"}, {"end": "01:16:15", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "it starts to tail, if it starts to"}, {"end": "01:16:17", "start": "01:16:13", "text": "create a tail, we'll know that gases are"}, {"end": "01:16:19", "start": "01:16:15", "text": "being jettisoned. And that will kind of"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "give us a clue that it's probably just a"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:19", "text": "comet."}, {"end": "01:16:25", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "But it's it's interesting that it's it's"}, {"end": "01:16:27", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "really the only third extra solar object"}, {"end": "01:16:29", "start": "01:16:25", "text": "that we've that we've ever seen. You"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:27", "text": "know, I'm sure there was more before"}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:29", "text": "we're tracking. But"}, {"end": "01:16:35", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "see, now that we know that this is"}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "there, this is why we need to build a"}, {"end": "01:16:40", "start": "01:16:35", "text": "giant spaceport so that we don't have to"}, {"end": "01:16:41", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "worry about getting past the Earth to"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:40", "text": "get up there. We got to be ready to"}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:41", "text": "launch at any moment."}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "Totally agree. But there's only one man"}, {"end": "01:16:51", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "on the on the planet that can make that"}, {"end": "01:16:56", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "happen. I think I talked about this with"}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:51", "text": "Joe is why not just start every time you"}, {"end": "01:17:00", "start": "01:16:56", "text": "launch a Starling satellite just bring"}, {"end": "01:17:02", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "pieces of stuff up there like pieces"}, {"end": "01:17:05", "start": "01:17:00", "text": "what pieces of a ship. No, just bring"}, {"end": "01:17:07", "start": "01:17:02", "text": "pieces of a giant 3D printer. They could"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:05", "text": "print 3D print houses. You could 3D"}, {"end": "01:17:11", "start": "01:17:07", "text": "print metal. Br put a giant printer up"}, {"end": "01:17:13", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "there so you could print parts to"}, {"end": "01:17:16", "start": "01:17:11", "text": "assemble in orbit,"}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:13", "text": "right? You know, it work and star Trek"}, {"end": "01:17:22", "start": "01:17:16", "text": "had the the the Utopia Plenicious"}, {"end": "01:17:25", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "shipyards. Let's get shipyards cracking,"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:22", "text": "right? Even if we did that on the moon"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:25", "text": "or Mars, it has uh things that could be"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "mined there just to be used for that."}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "Uh, and uh, also like I've always said"}, {"end": "01:17:39", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "about live cams on the moon, live cams"}, {"end": "01:17:42", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "just showing what we're 3D printing on"}, {"end": "01:17:45", "start": "01:17:39", "text": "the moon or 3D printing on uh, the ISS"}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:42", "text": "or wherever. They would make money just"}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:45", "text": "on the clicks that they would get. Hey,"}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "what are they printing up there?"}, {"end": "01:17:50", "start": "01:17:48", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:48", "text": "I never thought about that. You know,"}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:50", "text": "I've always been annoyed that we don't"}, {"end": "01:17:57", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "have a live feed from there, but if they"}, {"end": "01:17:59", "start": "01:17:55", "text": "monetized it, NASA wouldn't have to"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:57", "text": "worry about a budget. Yeah, we crowd we"}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:17:59", "text": "crowdfund my uh space base."}, {"end": "01:18:06", "start": "01:18:03", "text": "That's what we do. We do it for you."}, {"end": "01:18:09", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "It's all about Gino."}, {"end": "01:18:11", "start": "01:18:06", "text": "I I Can I Can I You know, people get the"}, {"end": "01:18:12", "start": "01:18:09", "text": "name stars and things like that. Can Can"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:11", "text": "I get a little"}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:12", "text": "You just recognition."}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "You just stick with your only fans."}, {"end": "01:18:22", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "That's your revenue."}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "But I But I would pay whatever it is"}, {"end": "01:18:25", "start": "01:18:22", "text": "monthly"}, {"end": "01:18:27", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "if it was just pay-per-view. Like, hey,"}, {"end": "01:18:29", "start": "01:18:25", "text": "we saw something cool. It's $24.99. want"}, {"end": "01:18:33", "start": "01:18:27", "text": "to see it. I'd be like, \"I'm in.\" Which"}, {"end": "01:18:33", "start": "01:18:29", "text": "here's my money."}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:33", "text": "But they won't."}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:36", "text": "Even uh yeah, even if it was just uh"}, {"end": "01:18:45", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "having cams looking down at the Earth"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "just at all times,"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:45", "text": "right? Like the ISS has the cam, but"}, {"end": "01:18:54", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "it's I don't know. It must be like an"}, {"end": "01:18:56", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "old Qualcomm webcam or something that's"}, {"end": "01:18:58", "start": "01:18:54", "text": "up there. And the feed,"}, {"end": "01:19:00", "start": "01:18:56", "text": "remember the the the little globe with"}, {"end": "01:19:04", "start": "01:18:58", "text": "eyeball? It must be that"}, {"end": "01:19:06", "start": "01:19:00", "text": "plugged in to a USB USBA"}, {"end": "01:19:09", "start": "01:19:04", "text": "and and it goes out all the time. It"}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:06", "text": "seems like the feed is uh not reliable"}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:09", "text": "all the time. But I have two I have 250"}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "frames a second here, but they can't"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "stick an iPhone on the back of the"}, {"end": "01:19:18", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "thing."}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "And they were able to make a call live"}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:18", "text": "to the president in 1969."}, {"end": "01:19:25", "start": "01:19:22", "text": "Sure"}, {"end": "01:19:27", "start": "01:19:25", "text": "they did."}, {"end": "01:19:29", "start": "01:19:26", "text": "Carol, for $10, there's a few members"}, {"end": "01:19:31", "start": "01:19:27", "text": "not able to join 24-hour chat. Can mods"}, {"end": "01:19:33", "start": "01:19:29", "text": "have an override code? Happened to me"}, {"end": "01:19:35", "start": "01:19:31", "text": "six months ago. I wish we could, but"}, {"end": "01:19:37", "start": "01:19:33", "text": "there's no way for us to do that."}, {"end": "01:19:39", "start": "01:19:35", "text": "YouTube doesn't give us that many tools."}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:37", "text": "So, what Carol's talking about is like"}, {"end": "01:19:43", "start": "01:19:39", "text": "in here, you have to be a subscriber for"}, {"end": "01:19:47", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "eight weeks, two months in order to chat"}, {"end": "01:19:49", "start": "01:19:43", "text": "at all. And I know that's annoying to"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:47", "text": "new people,"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:49", "text": "but after you're here eight weeks,"}, {"end": "01:19:53", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "you'll be grateful for it because it"}, {"end": "01:19:56", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "keeps the riff raff out. We used to"}, {"end": "01:19:59", "start": "01:19:53", "text": "stream this to Facebook and Rumble and"}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:56", "text": "and X. I don't do any of that anymore."}, {"end": "01:20:04", "start": "01:19:59", "text": "Just it. It's just us in here. Keep keep"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "the riff raff out. They stay on that"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:04", "text": "side. We stay here. And just be patient."}, {"end": "01:20:12", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "Carol, we got you."}, {"end": "01:20:16", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "All right. So, what do you and what do"}, {"end": "01:20:19", "start": "01:20:12", "text": "you and um and Patrick get into?"}, {"end": "01:20:21", "start": "01:20:16", "text": "Oh, you"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:19", "text": "are you are you sitting in the Oh, he"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:21", "text": "went right to the Rogan clip. All right."}, {"end": "01:20:26", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "You got to promote."}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:24", "text": "Well, here's the thing. He he introduced"}, {"end": "01:20:29", "start": "01:20:26", "text": "me as Gino from the White House. I go"}, {"end": "01:20:31", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "that you got to at least say I'm the"}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:29", "text": "producer or something. And uh so he"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:31", "text": "said, \"You know what? I'll cut that in."}, {"end": "01:20:36", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "It kind of explains the whole thing.\""}, {"end": "01:20:39", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "All right. So, what do you guys get"}, {"end": "01:20:43", "start": "01:20:36", "text": "into? Uh really it's just talking about"}, {"end": "01:20:46", "start": "01:20:39", "text": "uh Avi Loes uh you know uh saying that"}, {"end": "01:20:49", "start": "01:20:43", "text": "uh this could be an alien"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:46", "text": "uh you know um probe and of course we"}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:49", "text": "talk about Joe Joe does this a clip also"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "of talking about that that it could be"}, {"end": "01:21:00", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "an alien probe. So, we just really"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "talking about about uh uh Atlas"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:21:00", "text": "QZ saying, \"Am I the riff or or the"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "raph?\""}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "Whatever you want to be, Ben. We're all"}, {"end": "01:21:11", "start": "01:21:06", "text": "riff raff at some point."}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "But once once the time passes, you'll be"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:11", "text": "grateful grateful for the gatekeeping."}, {"end": "01:21:19", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "So, rather than me play Oby's clip, why"}, {"end": "01:21:22", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "don't you uh tell us why does Avi Lo"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:19", "text": "think it could be a craft?"}, {"end": "01:21:25", "start": "01:21:22", "text": "My answer is because he because he it"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "helps him get donations and clicks."}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:25", "text": "That's that's what I'm saying."}, {"end": "01:21:34", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "I think they it was because of the speed"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:30", "text": "uh that it was having light anomalies as"}, {"end": "01:21:40", "start": "01:21:34", "text": "as that they did not expect as it was uh"}, {"end": "01:21:42", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "coming closer. Um"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:40", "text": "what light anomalies did he say?"}, {"end": "01:21:47", "start": "01:21:42", "text": "I I'm not I'm not positive. Uh, you"}, {"end": "01:21:50", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "know, I I got I got excited that uh it"}, {"end": "01:21:54", "start": "01:21:47", "text": "was a uh that we were talking about a a"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:50", "text": "craft, you know. So, um I'm not sure"}, {"end": "01:21:59", "start": "01:21:54", "text": "sure of the light anomalies, but I'm"}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "pretty sure that that's uh what he gets"}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:59", "text": "into."}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "All right, there's there's Obby. See"}, {"end": "01:22:11", "start": "01:22:06", "text": "this? I don't like this. So, first it"}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "might be an alien craft. How do you"}, {"end": "01:22:15", "start": "01:22:11", "text": "know? Light anomalies. That's to get"}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "clicks and donations. What does this"}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:15", "text": "possibly hostile mean?"}, {"end": "01:22:21", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "Okay, but hold on. I I will say that"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "that's irresponsible. Yeah, of course"}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:21", "text": "it's possibly hostile."}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "It's possibly not."}, {"end": "01:22:27", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "We have no idea."}, {"end": "01:22:29", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "The New York Post."}, {"end": "01:22:32", "start": "01:22:27", "text": "This is the New York Post because Avi"}, {"end": "01:22:34", "start": "01:22:29", "text": "Loe was just speculating on what it"}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:32", "text": "could be. He wasn't saying that's what"}, {"end": "01:22:37", "start": "01:22:34", "text": "it is. So,"}, {"end": "01:22:38", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "and you're right. And you're right"}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:37", "text": "because I because I watched what Obby"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:38", "text": "said and because he was asked I think"}, {"end": "01:22:45", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "that interview was from CBS but I'm not"}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "I'm not sure but he was he was asked you"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:45", "text": "know is it a threat and he said it's"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "like um"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:49", "text": "there's no way to know it it could be"}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "something completely benign or it could"}, {"end": "01:22:58", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "be the end of the earth. We we're not"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "going to know until it gets here. It's"}, {"end": "01:23:03", "start": "01:22:58", "text": "like it's he he said it was like a blind"}, {"end": "01:23:05", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "date is how Javi described it is you"}, {"end": "01:23:07", "start": "01:23:03", "text": "don't know what you're gonna get, you"}, {"end": "01:23:10", "start": "01:23:05", "text": "know, until she walks in and you hope"}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:07", "text": "that she looks like her pictures."}, {"end": "01:23:15", "start": "01:23:10", "text": "Now, now the interesting thing that we"}, {"end": "01:23:17", "start": "01:23:13", "text": "really got into in this is that Jeremy"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:15", "text": "Corbel has said that they're going to"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:17", "text": "use a false flag operation and say that"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "there's a ship coming towards us. um you"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "know and it's going to arrive in you"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "know 2027 and that's when you know this"}, {"end": "01:23:33", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "is supposed to arrive in the solar"}, {"end": "01:23:35", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "system. So I don't think they could be"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:33", "text": "related because that would mean the"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:35", "text": "scientists are all in on it and I don't"}, {"end": "01:23:39", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "feel like Avi Lo would be in on"}, {"end": "01:23:40", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "anything."}, {"end": "01:23:42", "start": "01:23:39", "text": "No, I don't think so either. Um,"}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:40", "text": "interestingly enough, Congress did just"}, {"end": "01:23:47", "start": "01:23:42", "text": "have a hearings about UFOs again a"}, {"end": "01:23:49", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "couple of days ago. And I and Trump once"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:47", "text": "again saying there's going to be more"}, {"end": "01:23:52", "start": "01:23:49", "text": "disclosure. And once again, I'm saying"}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "there won't be. So, you don't have to"}, {"end": "01:23:55", "start": "01:23:52", "text": "ask me in the chat what what we're going"}, {"end": "01:23:57", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "to learn because we're not going to"}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:55", "text": "learn anything."}, {"end": "01:24:01", "start": "01:23:57", "text": "Ghost one saying Google project blue"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:58", "text": "beam. Don't Google it. Go on go on"}, {"end": "01:24:05", "start": "01:24:01", "text": "YouTube and look up the W files. I got"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "two videos on Blue Beam. Hard to find on"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:05", "text": "the channel though. The first one is is"}, {"end": "01:24:12", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "not banned, but it's demonetized and"}, {"end": "01:24:14", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "suppressed. The second one I was able I"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:12", "text": "know what I know what got it suppressed"}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:14", "text": "the first time. So, the second one I was"}, {"end": "01:24:19", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "able to kind of kind of shuffle a little"}, {"end": "01:24:21", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "bit. I changed the script a little bit."}, {"end": "01:24:23", "start": "01:24:19", "text": "We got it through. So, you'll be able to"}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:21", "text": "find it's not that long ago. Project"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:23", "text": "Blue Beam, if you don't know, I'll just"}, {"end": "01:24:29", "start": "01:24:24", "text": "do a quick recap, is a false flag"}, {"end": "01:24:31", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "operation where apparitions will appear"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:29", "text": "in the sky. Um, according to the legend,"}, {"end": "01:24:38", "start": "01:24:31", "text": "it would be apparitions that are local"}, {"end": "01:24:40", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "gods that will cause people to panic and"}, {"end": "01:24:42", "start": "01:24:38", "text": "then once the panic sets in, they will"}, {"end": "01:24:44", "start": "01:24:40", "text": "beg for authorities to come in and take"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:42", "text": "over and then there will be one world"}, {"end": "01:24:48", "start": "01:24:44", "text": "government, dictatorship and all of that"}, {"end": "01:24:50", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "is project blue beam. And I debunked"}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:48", "text": "most of it because you just can't"}, {"end": "01:24:56", "start": "01:24:50", "text": "project holograms like that. And then"}, {"end": "01:24:58", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "since then, you kind of can. I've seen"}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:56", "text": "drones do crazy stuff in formation. And"}, {"end": "01:25:03", "start": "01:24:58", "text": "we also know that you can heat parts of"}, {"end": "01:25:06", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "the atmosphere cause cause plasma and"}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:03", "text": "that can make things appear in the sky."}, {"end": "01:25:09", "start": "01:25:06", "text": "According to the legend, it comes from"}, {"end": "01:25:11", "start": "01:25:07", "text": "satellites. We we're not doing that as"}, {"end": "01:25:13", "start": "01:25:09", "text": "far as I know, but I don't see why they"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:11", "text": "wouldn't be. But that's Project Blue"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:13", "text": "Beam. Pretty scary, but a good episode."}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "Anything else on that, Gino? I'll just"}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:23", "text": "do super chats."}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:28", "text": "Yeah. Again, I think that's it. Um, you"}, {"end": "01:25:34", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "know, besides that, um, for the la last"}, {"end": "01:25:36", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "few weeks, we've been, uh, doing some"}, {"end": "01:25:39", "start": "01:25:34", "text": "psionics. Um, Patrick's, uh, doing a"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:36", "text": "documentary. I'm really excited about"}, {"end": "01:25:43", "start": "01:25:39", "text": "some of the things we saw. We did see"}, {"end": "01:25:47", "start": "01:25:40", "text": "things flying around the sky. We were in"}, {"end": "01:25:48", "start": "01:25:43", "text": "some remote parts of America and um, the"}, {"end": "01:25:50", "start": "01:25:47", "text": "results are interesting. They're not"}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:48", "text": "they're not overwhelming. I'm not ready"}, {"end": "01:25:54", "start": "01:25:50", "text": "to say I know what I looked at, but"}, {"end": "01:25:56", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "there are things flying around our skies"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:54", "text": "that are hard to identify."}, {"end": "01:25:59", "start": "01:25:56", "text": "That video you sent me, and you know,"}, {"end": "01:26:00", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "I'd be the first one to say this is a"}, {"end": "01:26:00", "start": "01:25:59", "text": "plane or whatever."}, {"end": "01:26:03", "start": "01:26:00", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:26:00", "text": "The video you sent me was definitely an"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:03", "text": "anomalous"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "air something."}, {"end": "01:26:11", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "Yeah. So, you sent it to me and"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "immediately I'm going to go I'm gonna"}, {"end": "01:26:14", "start": "01:26:11", "text": "I'm like I'm just got to tell them it's"}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "a satellite. I hate to break the kid's"}, {"end": "01:26:18", "start": "01:26:14", "text": "heart, but that's just Starlink. wasn't"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "a satellite because the light was steady"}, {"end": "01:26:22", "start": "01:26:18", "text": "and it wasn't a and it was probably not"}, {"end": "01:26:24", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "a plane,"}, {"end": "01:26:28", "start": "01:26:22", "text": "right? No beacons on it. Um definitely"}, {"end": "01:26:31", "start": "01:26:24", "text": "what people are calling orbs uh you know"}, {"end": "01:26:33", "start": "01:26:28", "text": "as they're summoning or you know um as"}, {"end": "01:26:40", "start": "01:26:31", "text": "they're they're doing meditations for"}, {"end": "01:26:43", "start": "01:26:33", "text": "for it for C5. Um but I we saw a 50 in"}, {"end": "01:26:47", "start": "01:26:40", "text": "two hours. It's not like um we were"}, {"end": "01:26:50", "start": "01:26:43", "text": "seeing one or two. We were seeing tons"}, {"end": "01:26:52", "start": "01:26:47", "text": "of them. Uh so the interesting results"}, {"end": "01:26:54", "start": "01:26:50", "text": "again, nothing that makes me say that's"}, {"end": "01:26:58", "start": "01:26:52", "text": "definitely not human, but"}, {"end": "01:27:00", "start": "01:26:54", "text": "so much interesting information came to"}, {"end": "01:27:02", "start": "01:26:58", "text": "light that I wouldn't have ever thought"}, {"end": "01:27:05", "start": "01:27:00", "text": "about previously. So I am looking"}, {"end": "01:27:07", "start": "01:27:02", "text": "forward to how the rest of the"}, {"end": "01:27:10", "start": "01:27:05", "text": "investigation goes."}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:07", "text": "All right. So, we don't have to say what"}, {"end": "01:27:14", "start": "01:27:10", "text": "you were doing with Thomas Jane,"}, {"end": "01:27:16", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "but where was that? Was that a contact?"}, {"end": "01:27:20", "start": "01:27:14", "text": "Yeah, we were we were at contact in the"}, {"end": "01:27:21", "start": "01:27:16", "text": "desert um when uh I seen him last. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:27:23", "start": "01:27:20", "text": "And we just want to say you guys were"}, {"end": "01:27:25", "start": "01:27:21", "text": "hanging out. That's We'll go with that."}, {"end": "01:27:27", "start": "01:27:23", "text": "Yeah, we were just hanging out. No, I"}, {"end": "01:27:28", "start": "01:27:25", "text": "had a great time with him."}, {"end": "01:27:29", "start": "01:27:27", "text": "You know what? He was definitely"}, {"end": "01:27:31", "start": "01:27:28", "text": "barefoot though, right?"}, {"end": "01:27:33", "start": "01:27:29", "text": "He was barefoot the whole time."}, {"end": "01:27:35", "start": "01:27:31", "text": "Never wear shoes, Thomas J. Never. Even"}, {"end": "01:27:37", "start": "01:27:33", "text": "watch Expanse."}, {"end": "01:27:39", "start": "01:27:35", "text": "He doesn't wear shoes."}, {"end": "01:27:42", "start": "01:27:37", "text": "He loves his feet."}, {"end": "01:27:43", "start": "01:27:39", "text": "He's, you know, I I I mean,"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:42", "text": "it feels like"}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:43", "text": "she's like never I have to keep telling"}, {"end": "01:27:52", "start": "01:27:45", "text": "her to put shoes on. She loves her feet."}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "Uh had a great time with Thomas. Um we"}, {"end": "01:27:56", "start": "01:27:52", "text": "had a such an interesting experience"}, {"end": "01:27:59", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "when we were talking to Chris Bledsoe."}, {"end": "01:28:02", "start": "01:27:56", "text": "Chris Bledsoe is a guy who summons orbs"}, {"end": "01:28:04", "start": "01:27:59", "text": "and is kind of widely known for it. So,"}, {"end": "01:28:06", "start": "01:28:02", "text": "uh he asked me to introduce him uh to"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:04", "text": "him. So, I'm introducing him, but we're"}, {"end": "01:28:13", "start": "01:28:06", "text": "at a like a a loud get together and um"}, {"end": "01:28:15", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "uh for like a dinner at Contact in the"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:13", "text": "Desert. And so, I'm standing there with"}, {"end": "01:28:18", "start": "01:28:15", "text": "Thomas Jane in front of me and I"}, {"end": "01:28:21", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "introduce him to Chris Bledsoe and he"}, {"end": "01:28:24", "start": "01:28:18", "text": "asks Chris an important question that I"}, {"end": "01:28:27", "start": "01:28:21", "text": "didn't even feel comfortable asking. He"}, {"end": "01:28:30", "start": "01:28:24", "text": "asked him about Tim Taylor who's in in"}, {"end": "01:28:32", "start": "01:28:27", "text": "NASA and it's like a a hot topic and we"}, {"end": "01:28:36", "start": "01:28:30", "text": "want to hear the answer, but Chris is a"}, {"end": "01:28:38", "start": "01:28:32", "text": "very soft-spoken guy. So, um, so we, me"}, {"end": "01:28:40", "start": "01:28:36", "text": "and Thomas are just looking at each"}, {"end": "01:28:44", "start": "01:28:38", "text": "other directly across from each other,"}, {"end": "01:28:46", "start": "01:28:40", "text": "eye to eye, as we slowly drift our heads"}, {"end": "01:28:48", "start": "01:28:44", "text": "towards Chris, trying to hear what he's"}, {"end": "01:28:50", "start": "01:28:46", "text": "trying to say because it's so important."}, {"end": "01:28:51", "start": "01:28:48", "text": "Like, everyone on the internet wants to"}, {"end": "01:28:55", "start": "01:28:50", "text": "know what's going on with Tim Taylor"}, {"end": "01:28:56", "start": "01:28:51", "text": "from NASA and uh, Chris Bledso. And he"}, {"end": "01:28:57", "start": "01:28:55", "text": "talked to us about it, but it was so"}, {"end": "01:28:59", "start": "01:28:56", "text": "loud."}, {"end": "01:29:01", "start": "01:28:57", "text": "Hang on. Hang on. You got to set it up."}, {"end": "01:29:02", "start": "01:28:59", "text": "Set it up. What What's going on with Tim"}, {"end": "01:29:07", "start": "01:29:01", "text": "Taylor at NASA? That's interesting."}, {"end": "01:29:10", "start": "01:29:02", "text": "Well, the uh there's um speculation on"}, {"end": "01:29:13", "start": "01:29:07", "text": "uh that NASA is involved with Chris"}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:10", "text": "Bledsoe and the uh the orbs and his"}, {"end": "01:29:18", "start": "01:29:13", "text": "summoning and then what they're doing"}, {"end": "01:29:20", "start": "01:29:16", "text": "with that information. And then there's"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:18", "text": "a little bit of uh I don't want to say"}, {"end": "01:29:28", "start": "01:29:20", "text": "conspiracy theories, but speculation on"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "if um somehow Tim Taylor took some kind"}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:28", "text": "of IP that um should have been Chris"}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "Bledso's."}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "So, uh so they were kind of friends"}, {"end": "01:29:42", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "previously and I don't know what"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "happened. So, we're all trying to kind"}, {"end": "01:29:45", "start": "01:29:42", "text": "of know what happened, why they're not"}, {"end": "01:29:49", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "really involved with each other anymore"}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:45", "text": "or if they are. Um, and I felt like we"}, {"end": "01:29:53", "start": "01:29:49", "text": "were getting that answer, but we we"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "couldn't hear what he was saying."}, {"end": "01:29:56", "start": "01:29:53", "text": "So, he may have answered it, but he"}, {"end": "01:29:58", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "couldn't couldn't get there."}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:56", "text": "Couldn't couldn't hear him. Uh, and you"}, {"end": "01:30:03", "start": "01:29:58", "text": "know, and I and again, I think that's"}, {"end": "01:30:05", "start": "01:30:00", "text": "something next time I see him, I'm gonna"}, {"end": "01:30:05", "start": "01:30:03", "text": "delve into. I like like to know the"}, {"end": "01:30:07", "start": "01:30:05", "text": "answer."}, {"end": "01:30:11", "start": "01:30:05", "text": "Well, Chris West says, \"Ancient alien"}, {"end": "01:30:14", "start": "01:30:07", "text": "theorists say yes."}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:11", "text": "Um, Steven Britain asked me did I get"}, {"end": "01:30:17", "start": "01:30:14", "text": "out to sign anything. I didn't because I"}, {"end": "01:30:19", "start": "01:30:15", "text": "didn't want to wait on that line again."}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:17", "text": "I mean, there was a lot of"}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:19", "text": "VIP you would think there's like going"}, {"end": "01:30:27", "start": "01:30:20", "text": "to be like 10 of us there like three 300"}, {"end": "01:30:29", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "people. It when we we got there early"}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:27", "text": "because you had to check in as a VIP. We"}, {"end": "01:30:35", "start": "01:30:29", "text": "got got there early and the line was"}, {"end": "01:30:36", "start": "01:30:31", "text": "down the casino. I was uh oh, this is"}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:35", "text": "we're going to be here all night. And he"}, {"end": "01:30:41", "start": "01:30:36", "text": "remember he he had an opener uh Puddles"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "the clown was very funny and then he"}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:41", "text": "played for two hours and then we waited"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:43", "text": "online to just for the picture. It's"}, {"end": "01:30:50", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "already late. You know, I love Weird Al,"}, {"end": "01:30:52", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "but I got to get home to Bourbon and TV."}, {"end": "01:30:54", "start": "01:30:50", "text": "I can't be there all night waiting for"}, {"end": "01:30:56", "start": "01:30:52", "text": "an autograph. Um but if you have an"}, {"end": "01:30:58", "start": "01:30:54", "text": "accordion signed by Al and can't decide"}, {"end": "01:31:02", "start": "01:30:56", "text": "if it's cool or not, uh it's cool,"}, {"end": "01:31:04", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "Stephen. It's the coolest thing ever."}, {"end": "01:31:07", "start": "01:31:02", "text": "I just have a Rocky Road coupon signed"}, {"end": "01:31:10", "start": "01:31:04", "text": "by Al that I got."}, {"end": "01:31:13", "start": "01:31:07", "text": "So, you have an accordion. So, you one"}, {"end": "01:31:18", "start": "01:31:10", "text": "up me there."}, {"end": "01:31:21", "start": "01:31:13", "text": "Um, speaking of there, uh, there's Paul."}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:18", "text": "They got me in collection"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:21", "text": "in my wages too."}, {"end": "01:31:34", "start": "01:31:28", "text": "Got support payments alimony."}, {"end": "01:31:42", "start": "01:31:38", "text": "They"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "car"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:42", "text": "like a bum."}, {"end": "01:31:51", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "I know that."}, {"end": "01:31:57", "start": "01:31:53", "text": "Take it easy."}, {"end": "01:32:01", "start": "01:31:57", "text": "Tip the fish today."}, {"end": "01:32:14", "start": "01:32:11", "text": "That goes on for a minute. Paul's"}, {"end": "01:32:16", "start": "01:32:13", "text": "saying, not sure if you heard, I have,"}, {"end": "01:32:18", "start": "01:32:14", "text": "but Dr. Dementoto's last regular episode"}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:16", "text": "was May 31st. He's doing a recap episode"}, {"end": "01:32:22", "start": "01:32:18", "text": "through October when the show will end."}, {"end": "01:32:24", "start": "01:32:20", "text": "Figure my know."}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:22", "text": "He's I think he's 84, 85 years old at"}, {"end": "01:32:29", "start": "01:32:24", "text": "this point. Been doing it since early"}, {"end": "01:32:33", "start": "01:32:26", "text": "70s maybe. I mean, since he's a kid. Dr."}, {"end": "01:32:35", "start": "01:32:29", "text": "Mento, a legend. Absolute legend. Uh not"}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:33", "text": "just in like comedy, but in radio. Dr."}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:35", "text": "D."}, {"end": "01:32:47", "start": "01:32:42", "text": "I'm just looking at the super chats."}, {"end": "01:32:49", "start": "01:32:46", "text": "Uh crawl saying it's slowing down, sir."}, {"end": "01:32:51", "start": "01:32:47", "text": "I don't know what you mean. I hope you"}, {"end": "01:32:53", "start": "01:32:49", "text": "don't mean the object because that's"}, {"end": "01:32:55", "start": "01:32:51", "text": "what that's what Dr. Loe was saying. He"}, {"end": "01:32:56", "start": "01:32:53", "text": "said, what we're really watching for is"}, {"end": "01:32:59", "start": "01:32:55", "text": "this thing going to change course at"}, {"end": "01:33:01", "start": "01:32:56", "text": "all. He said, you know, if if it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:59", "text": "change course, if it just comes through,"}, {"end": "01:33:04", "start": "01:33:01", "text": "it's just going to be a thing that"}, {"end": "01:33:05", "start": "01:33:02", "text": "we'll, you know, we'll get a little data"}, {"end": "01:33:08", "start": "01:33:04", "text": "on. He says, ' But if this thing changes"}, {"end": "01:33:10", "start": "01:33:05", "text": "course, he said, 'Then we we're not only"}, {"end": "01:33:12", "start": "01:33:08", "text": "will governments have to get involved,"}, {"end": "01:33:16", "start": "01:33:10", "text": "he said, psychologists will have to get"}, {"end": "01:33:17", "start": "01:33:12", "text": "involved to to figure out how to"}, {"end": "01:33:19", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "disclose this to the public so there's"}, {"end": "01:33:21", "start": "01:33:17", "text": "not a panic"}, {"end": "01:33:26", "start": "01:33:19", "text": "because we're all very interested in"}, {"end": "01:33:27", "start": "01:33:21", "text": "what it is. And we we I think I mean the"}, {"end": "01:33:30", "start": "01:33:26", "text": "the royal way because I don't even"}, {"end": "01:33:33", "start": "01:33:27", "text": "include me in it. Hope it's an alien"}, {"end": "01:33:37", "start": "01:33:30", "text": "ship. I hope it is not. You know, I'm a"}, {"end": "01:33:40", "start": "01:33:33", "text": "dark forest guy. I hope it is not."}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:37", "text": "So, you know, we'll find out if it"}, {"end": "01:33:44", "start": "01:33:40", "text": "changes course and um then we have a"}, {"end": "01:33:46", "start": "01:33:42", "text": "situation. We got to hope the blind date"}, {"end": "01:33:48", "start": "01:33:44", "text": "is"}, {"end": "01:33:52", "start": "01:33:46", "text": "that she's good."}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:48", "text": "We got to hope she drinks. Um"}, {"end": "01:33:54", "start": "01:33:52", "text": "double my boss put me on wife files"}, {"end": "01:33:56", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "about two months ago. I haven't looked"}, {"end": "01:33:58", "start": "01:33:54", "text": "back since. Binge damn near everything."}, {"end": "01:33:59", "start": "01:33:56", "text": "Your videos help keep overnight doing"}, {"end": "01:34:00", "start": "01:33:58", "text": "interesting. Much love and thanks for"}, {"end": "01:34:02", "start": "01:33:59", "text": "all the research and content. You're"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:34:00", "text": "very welcome. A lot of thanks goes to"}, {"end": "01:34:07", "start": "01:34:02", "text": "the team."}, {"end": "01:34:08", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "Uh oh, I'm nervous because remember I I"}, {"end": "01:34:10", "start": "01:34:07", "text": "don't read ahead. There's red dragon 10"}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "for $10 Asian. I'm archaeologist now."}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:10", "text": "Now I go uh oh and I'm convinced there's"}, {"end": "01:34:16", "start": "01:34:12", "text": "a real effort to conceal the truth. Ah"}, {"end": "01:34:19", "start": "01:34:14", "text": "some important aspects of our past. But"}, {"end": "01:34:20", "start": "01:34:16", "text": "why? Why are we ready to uh to why are"}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:19", "text": "we not ready to know the whole truth"}, {"end": "01:34:25", "start": "01:34:20", "text": "yet? It's a combination of politics and"}, {"end": "01:34:26", "start": "01:34:23", "text": "career. As a archaeologist, you know"}, {"end": "01:34:29", "start": "01:34:25", "text": "that you'll be marginalized if you"}, {"end": "01:34:30", "start": "01:34:26", "text": "against go against what's commonly held"}, {"end": "01:34:32", "start": "01:34:29", "text": "in science. You won't get published. you"}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:30", "text": "won't get peer reviewed. You'll be done."}, {"end": "01:34:35", "start": "01:34:32", "text": "You'll be over. Um that's why the Comet"}, {"end": "01:34:36", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "Group, whatever, whoever Graham"}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:35", "text": "Hancock's working with, they couldn't"}, {"end": "01:34:40", "start": "01:34:36", "text": "get any of the work published even"}, {"end": "01:34:42", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "though it's it's been peer- reviewviewed"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:40", "text": "and proven and proven and proven nobody"}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:42", "text": "would publish it. So, they launched"}, {"end": "01:34:47", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "their own journal and uh if we get a"}, {"end": "01:34:49", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "break here, I'll I'll call I'll call up"}, {"end": "01:34:50", "start": "01:34:47", "text": "the website so you guys can check it"}, {"end": "01:34:53", "start": "01:34:49", "text": "out. Very interesting stuff. I donated"}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:50", "text": "to them to them to keep them going. So,"}, {"end": "01:34:58", "start": "01:34:53", "text": "people have careers to protect, but"}, {"end": "01:35:00", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "otherwise, I don't really know. I don't"}, {"end": "01:35:03", "start": "01:34:58", "text": "really know why uh why it would be"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:35:00", "text": "hidden from us."}, {"end": "01:35:05", "start": "01:35:03", "text": "You know, I don't think there was an"}, {"end": "01:35:08", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "advanced civilization before, but I'm"}, {"end": "01:35:10", "start": "01:35:05", "text": "not sure."}, {"end": "01:35:14", "start": "01:35:08", "text": "I'd like to think so. You know, I love"}, {"end": "01:35:15", "start": "01:35:10", "text": "the Atlanta story. I'm saying Atlantis,"}, {"end": "01:35:17", "start": "01:35:14", "text": "not Atlanta. I didn't really get into"}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:15", "text": "that."}, {"end": "01:35:22", "start": "01:35:17", "text": "Is that the one with Juicy on it? Oh, he"}, {"end": "01:35:24", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "was Empire."}, {"end": "01:35:25", "start": "01:35:22", "text": "Gray's the new black. Thank you for the"}, {"end": "01:35:26", "start": "01:35:24", "text": "five."}, {"end": "01:35:29", "start": "01:35:25", "text": "Brian Nolan, you're right about"}, {"end": "01:35:31", "start": "01:35:26", "text": "sugar-free chocolate candies. Woo! Two,"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:29", "text": "you get to have two. Serving size says"}, {"end": "01:35:38", "start": "01:35:31", "text": "two, not three. Four is a right out."}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "Two, sugar-free. Three, you'll be gassy."}, {"end": "01:35:45", "start": "01:35:38", "text": "Four, you crap to bed."}, {"end": "01:35:48", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "I'm just saying. Sugar, alcohol,"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:45", "text": "that's a mean, mean mistress."}, {"end": "01:35:52", "start": "01:35:48", "text": "That's the monkey you don't want on your"}, {"end": "01:35:54", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "butt. Mona, thank you for more episodes"}, {"end": "01:35:56", "start": "01:35:52", "text": "with the Romanian tunnels. There's more."}, {"end": "01:35:58", "start": "01:35:54", "text": "There are more. There's more content on"}, {"end": "01:36:00", "start": "01:35:56", "text": "there. There's more with um with Cinear"}, {"end": "01:36:03", "start": "01:35:58", "text": "Story. I think I'll definitely do the"}, {"end": "01:36:05", "start": "01:36:00", "text": "Inner Earth one because it's a clicker."}, {"end": "01:36:09", "start": "01:36:03", "text": "Inner Earth is always a clicker. How's"}, {"end": "01:36:09", "start": "01:36:05", "text": "our episode doing, Victoria?"}, {"end": "01:36:14", "start": "01:36:09", "text": "What? You're not following the numbers?"}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:13", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:14", "text": "okay."}, {"end": "01:36:20", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "I guess I'll just do everything myself."}, {"end": "01:36:21", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "Grace New Black is back. My partner"}, {"end": "01:36:23", "start": "01:36:20", "text": "Michael now I am too. Do you attend any"}, {"end": "01:36:24", "start": "01:36:21", "text": "annual conference? I answered this"}, {"end": "01:36:26", "start": "01:36:23", "text": "earlier. No, I don't go I don't go"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:24", "text": "anywhere. I don't talk to anybody."}, {"end": "01:36:31", "start": "01:36:26", "text": "That's Gino goes to the conferences. He"}, {"end": "01:36:32", "start": "01:36:29", "text": "hangs out with Thomas, Jane, and Patrick"}, {"end": "01:36:34", "start": "01:36:31", "text": "and he gets the info and then he brings"}, {"end": "01:36:36", "start": "01:36:32", "text": "it here. That way I don't have to go"}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:34", "text": "anywhere."}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:36", "text": "It's doing good."}, {"end": "01:36:43", "start": "01:36:37", "text": "Doing good."}, {"end": "01:36:46", "start": "01:36:39", "text": "Mhm. 220 already in two hours."}, {"end": "01:36:48", "start": "01:36:43", "text": "220 in two hours is tracking better than"}, {"end": "01:36:50", "start": "01:36:46", "text": "usual."}, {"end": "01:36:53", "start": "01:36:48", "text": "I wonder what what thumbnail is going to"}, {"end": "01:36:56", "start": "01:36:50", "text": "land on YouTube. you, they have uh ABC"}, {"end": "01:36:58", "start": "01:36:53", "text": "testing. So, I upload three thumbnails"}, {"end": "01:36:59", "start": "01:36:56", "text": "and then after some number of clicks,"}, {"end": "01:37:01", "start": "01:36:58", "text": "whichever thumbnail does the best,"}, {"end": "01:37:03", "start": "01:36:59", "text": "that's the one that chooses. That's why"}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:37:01", "text": "every once in a while you'll see a video"}, {"end": "01:37:06", "start": "01:37:03", "text": "with like a hot alien chick in it."}, {"end": "01:37:10", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "Excuse me. An attractive alien female"}, {"end": "01:37:12", "start": "01:37:06", "text": "woman. Um, pardon me. I'm I'm a I'm a"}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:10", "text": "Gen Xer. That's how we talk. So, every"}, {"end": "01:37:15", "start": "01:37:12", "text": "once in a while you see a thumbnail with"}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "a with a sexy alien in it. That cuz"}, {"end": "01:37:19", "start": "01:37:15", "text": "that's the one people clicked on. And I"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "think I don't know who it was. Someone"}, {"end": "01:37:23", "start": "01:37:19", "text": "in in a meeting was like, \"What's with"}, {"end": "01:37:25", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "the sexy alien thumbnails?\" I'm like, \"I"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:23", "text": "know my audience, man. They win every"}, {"end": "01:37:30", "start": "01:37:25", "text": "time. Remember the Lerta files? Was it"}, {"end": "01:37:32", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "the sexy lizard lady?\""}, {"end": "01:37:36", "start": "01:37:30", "text": "So, I think I'm going to create for the"}, {"end": "01:37:38", "start": "01:37:32", "text": "store if just as a goof a calendar, but"}, {"end": "01:37:39", "start": "01:37:36", "text": "like an old school pinup calendar that"}, {"end": "01:37:41", "start": "01:37:38", "text": "you'd see in the g like in the garage,"}, {"end": "01:37:42", "start": "01:37:39", "text": "gas station, but just put our sexy"}, {"end": "01:37:43", "start": "01:37:41", "text": "aliens in it."}, {"end": "01:37:44", "start": "01:37:42", "text": "Yep. I"}, {"end": "01:37:47", "start": "01:37:43", "text": "think it'd be cool. Put that on the"}, {"end": "01:37:49", "start": "01:37:44", "text": "wall. I I don't think the wife would get"}, {"end": "01:37:52", "start": "01:37:47", "text": "upset about that, right?"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:49", "text": "most of them are after her."}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:52", "text": "That's true. Um, but Ryan was in love"}, {"end": "01:38:00", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "with Asserta. When uh when she came out,"}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "he was like, \"Who who is that?\" I said,"}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:38:00", "text": "\"Well, first of all, it's based on my"}, {"end": "01:38:06", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "wife.\" So, take it easy. It's basically"}, {"end": "01:38:08", "start": "01:38:04", "text": "Jen in a lizard suit. So, slow your roll"}, {"end": "01:38:10", "start": "01:38:06", "text": "there, daddy."}, {"end": "01:38:13", "start": "01:38:08", "text": "What's going on in the chat?"}, {"end": "01:38:16", "start": "01:38:10", "text": "GS manage. Anyone else? Samsung TV not"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:13", "text": "working here all the time. mine. Never"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:16", "text": "buying Samsung TVs again. Never."}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:20", "text": "I bought an 88 incher for the office. If"}, {"end": "01:38:26", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "you There were some episodes where the"}, {"end": "01:38:28", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "board behind me that's that's a TV."}, {"end": "01:38:30", "start": "01:38:26", "text": "That's not the board. Um the last few"}, {"end": "01:38:32", "start": "01:38:28", "text": "months it's the board because the"}, {"end": "01:38:35", "start": "01:38:30", "text": "Samsung TV worked for three weeks and it"}, {"end": "01:38:36", "start": "01:38:32", "text": "died. 88 inch TV dead. I don't know"}, {"end": "01:38:38", "start": "01:38:35", "text": "what's going on with that. I think"}, {"end": "01:38:38", "start": "01:38:36", "text": "Haley's working on it."}, {"end": "01:38:41", "start": "01:38:38", "text": "No, we fixed it."}, {"end": "01:38:43", "start": "01:38:38", "text": "I have one here. It works fine. It's"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:41", "text": "constantly turning off. It constantly"}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:43", "text": "wants to update my preferences. I just"}, {"end": "01:38:51", "start": "01:38:46", "text": "want to watch TV. I don't want smart"}, {"end": "01:38:54", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "TVs. I want stupid TVs. I will decide. I"}, {"end": "01:38:57", "start": "01:38:51", "text": "decide. I Apple TV HDMI into it. I"}, {"end": "01:39:02", "start": "01:38:54", "text": "decide. But Samsung is playing me stuff."}, {"end": "01:39:02", "start": "01:38:57", "text": "It wants me to watch Samsung TV."}, {"end": "01:39:08", "start": "01:39:02", "text": "So, no. Samsung unsub down vote."}, {"end": "01:39:16", "start": "01:39:09", "text": "You know, I got a I got a $300 one uh 70"}, {"end": "01:39:18", "start": "01:39:13", "text": "inch onn. I don't never even heard of it"}, {"end": "01:39:22", "start": "01:39:16", "text": "and it works great."}, {"end": "01:39:25", "start": "01:39:18", "text": "Give me Visio all day long for cheap."}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:22", "text": "Take Vizio all day long. Samsung looks I"}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:25", "text": "mean the 88 looked great for the three"}, {"end": "01:39:32", "start": "01:39:28", "text": "weeks that it just died"}, {"end": "01:39:35", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "which was a problem because the the"}, {"end": "01:39:36", "start": "01:39:32", "text": "Wi-Fi set was disassembled at that point"}, {"end": "01:39:39", "start": "01:39:35", "text": "you know because we're in transition"}, {"end": "01:39:41", "start": "01:39:36", "text": "moving to the big to the big stage"}, {"end": "01:39:43", "start": "01:39:39", "text": "you know the the green screen stage so"}, {"end": "01:39:46", "start": "01:39:41", "text": "the Wi-Fi set was disassembled I went to"}, {"end": "01:39:48", "start": "01:39:43", "text": "go shoot last minute of course middle of"}, {"end": "01:39:51", "start": "01:39:46", "text": "the night of course and the TV wouldn't"}, {"end": "01:39:52", "start": "01:39:48", "text": "turn on so now I'm crawling around there"}, {"end": "01:39:53", "start": "01:39:51", "text": "I'm an old man it's the middle of the"}, {"end": "01:39:55", "start": "01:39:52", "text": "night I'm on no sleep I'm crawling"}, {"end": "01:39:58", "start": "01:39:53", "text": "around in the dirt. If you guys saw"}, {"end": "01:39:59", "start": "01:39:55", "text": "where I'm shooting now, you'd be like,"}, {"end": "01:40:02", "start": "01:39:58", "text": "\"That's what big YouTubers shoot in"}, {"end": "01:40:04", "start": "01:39:59", "text": "places like that. It's like a dirty"}, {"end": "01:40:06", "start": "01:40:02", "text": "apartment.\" And you would be right to"}, {"end": "01:40:08", "start": "01:40:04", "text": "judge me. That's where I'm shooting now."}, {"end": "01:40:10", "start": "01:40:06", "text": "You could It was It's too skinny to walk"}, {"end": "01:40:12", "start": "01:40:08", "text": "through. So, you walk through and you"}, {"end": "01:40:15", "start": "01:40:10", "text": "and then you bang the camera and now"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:12", "text": "it's all out of whack."}, {"end": "01:40:18", "start": "01:40:15", "text": "So, that night I had tore everything"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "apart, every light, every fixture, and"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:18", "text": "rebuilt the whole board and everything"}, {"end": "01:40:26", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "from scratch. It took me hours and hours"}, {"end": "01:40:28", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "and we just barely made the deadline,"}, {"end": "01:40:29", "start": "01:40:26", "text": "but I ended up shooting at 4:00 a.m. or"}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:28", "text": "something like that."}, {"end": "01:40:36", "start": "01:40:29", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:40:38", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "For Sam Samsung. Samsung's fault."}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:36", "text": "Oh, okay. Now things are making sense."}, {"end": "01:40:42", "start": "01:40:38", "text": "Just I'm just All right. I just had a"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "little rant is all."}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:42", "text": "No big deal."}, {"end": "01:40:51", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "Oh, there's Jen with $20. Thank you for"}, {"end": "01:40:51", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "the super chat."}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:52", "text": "There's pelagic six for $50. You know"}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:55", "text": "what that means?"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "A modernday goldfish lives in style. But"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:03", "text": "you haven't tipped in quite a while."}, {"end": "01:41:25", "start": "01:41:19", "text": "is all spent"}, {"end": "01:41:25", "start": "01:41:22", "text": "a"}, {"end": "01:41:30", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "living."}, {"end": "01:41:34", "start": "01:41:32", "text": "Why would it be that the latest and"}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "previous interstellar objects have"}, {"end": "01:41:37", "start": "01:41:34", "text": "highly eccentric retrograde orbits the"}, {"end": "01:41:40", "start": "01:41:36", "text": "same theoretical orbit as planet X"}, {"end": "01:41:42", "start": "01:41:37", "text": "planet 9 aka Nibiru? Very good question."}, {"end": "01:41:44", "start": "01:41:40", "text": "This object does not have uh a very"}, {"end": "01:41:47", "start": "01:41:42", "text": "eccentric or orbit. It's actually quite"}, {"end": "01:41:48", "start": "01:41:44", "text": "circular. Uh amu mu is strange because"}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:47", "text": "it came in from high on the planet of"}, {"end": "01:41:54", "start": "01:41:48", "text": "the ecliptic. You guys know what that"}, {"end": "01:41:56", "start": "01:41:50", "text": "is? I'll set it up just in case. Um in"}, {"end": "01:41:59", "start": "01:41:54", "text": "in the solar system you've got the sun"}, {"end": "01:42:01", "start": "01:41:56", "text": "and the planets, right? And the planets"}, {"end": "01:42:06", "start": "01:41:59", "text": "are all bas we're basically on a big"}, {"end": "01:42:07", "start": "01:42:01", "text": "dish. So you you'd think that gravity"}, {"end": "01:42:09", "start": "01:42:06", "text": "pulls from all directions. You'd think"}, {"end": "01:42:11", "start": "01:42:07", "text": "that the planets would be scattered all"}, {"end": "01:42:13", "start": "01:42:09", "text": "around in different orbits, but they're"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:11", "text": "not. We all kind of go the same way. You"}, {"end": "01:42:18", "start": "01:42:13", "text": "know, Uranus is a little weird."}, {"end": "01:42:22", "start": "01:42:15", "text": "Uranus is is weird. You know, Uranus is"}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:18", "text": "it's it's gassy and cold and Uranus has"}, {"end": "01:42:26", "start": "01:42:22", "text": "stuff around it. Um, but for the most"}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "part, we're just on the on a flat plane."}, {"end": "01:42:31", "start": "01:42:26", "text": "And then in the galaxies, the same way."}, {"end": "01:42:34", "start": "01:42:28", "text": "The galaxies are laid out in our in our"}, {"end": "01:42:35", "start": "01:42:31", "text": "spiral basically on a flat plane. So,"}, {"end": "01:42:38", "start": "01:42:34", "text": "you've got all these flat planes, the"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:35", "text": "Nomu Mua comes in from the top. That's"}, {"end": "01:42:44", "start": "01:42:38", "text": "very unusual. This object atlas is is"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "not coming in. so oblique. It's coming"}, {"end": "01:42:47", "start": "01:42:44", "text": "in at 5% off the plane, so that's not"}, {"end": "01:42:49", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "that weird. What are you smirking at,"}, {"end": "01:42:52", "start": "01:42:47", "text": "Champ?"}, {"end": "01:42:57", "start": "01:42:49", "text": "What I got out of that was was that uh"}, {"end": "01:42:59", "start": "01:42:52", "text": "the universe is flat. But is it true?"}, {"end": "01:43:01", "start": "01:42:57", "text": "It's very strange. Everything is on a"}, {"end": "01:43:03", "start": "01:42:59", "text": "flat plane, but until but then when you"}, {"end": "01:43:05", "start": "01:43:01", "text": "go out further and you start looking at"}, {"end": "01:43:07", "start": "01:43:03", "text": "the clusters, it's not flat anymore."}, {"end": "01:43:10", "start": "01:43:05", "text": "Then it starts to become a fractal. It"}, {"end": "01:43:13", "start": "01:43:07", "text": "gets really It's clearly a simulation."}, {"end": "01:43:15", "start": "01:43:10", "text": "It clearly is. It becomes a fractal and"}, {"end": "01:43:17", "start": "01:43:13", "text": "a fractal and the superclusters. It all"}, {"end": "01:43:20", "start": "01:43:15", "text": "becomes a fractal"}, {"end": "01:43:22", "start": "01:43:17", "text": "except for those cold dark spots in a"}, {"end": "01:43:25", "start": "01:43:20", "text": "supercluster that that nobody can"}, {"end": "01:43:26", "start": "01:43:22", "text": "explain what you know what's going on"}, {"end": "01:43:27", "start": "01:43:25", "text": "there. I just think that's that's where"}, {"end": "01:43:30", "start": "01:43:26", "text": "the programmers just like hang out."}, {"end": "01:43:31", "start": "01:43:27", "text": "That's like their"}, {"end": "01:43:33", "start": "01:43:30", "text": "I think that's got to be where they hang"}, {"end": "01:43:36", "start": "01:43:31", "text": "out."}, {"end": "01:43:38", "start": "01:43:33", "text": "So we shouldn't explore too much. We"}, {"end": "01:43:40", "start": "01:43:36", "text": "shouldn't like with quantum stuff like"}, {"end": "01:43:42", "start": "01:43:38", "text": "oh we're close to figuring out quantum"}, {"end": "01:43:45", "start": "01:43:40", "text": "mechanics and how everything works."}, {"end": "01:43:47", "start": "01:43:42", "text": "Don't don't figure that out. Because if"}, {"end": "01:43:49", "start": "01:43:45", "text": "I'm if I'm the programmer, I'd be like,"}, {"end": "01:43:51", "start": "01:43:47", "text": "they getting they getting in the code"}, {"end": "01:43:55", "start": "01:43:49", "text": "here."}, {"end": "01:43:58", "start": "01:43:51", "text": "Let's start again. Flood. Start again."}, {"end": "01:44:00", "start": "01:43:55", "text": "And then in five 15,000 years, a new"}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:58", "text": "Graham Hancock gets gets attacked in in"}, {"end": "01:44:03", "start": "01:44:00", "text": "the Daily Sun. And we just do it over"}, {"end": "01:44:07", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "and over again."}, {"end": "01:44:07", "start": "01:44:03", "text": "This could be the plot of the Matrix."}, {"end": "01:44:13", "start": "01:44:07", "text": "This is the plot of the Matrix."}, {"end": "01:44:13", "start": "01:44:10", "text": "Of course it is."}, {"end": "01:44:20", "start": "01:44:14", "text": "Um, but regarding planet X and AK Nibiru"}, {"end": "01:44:22", "start": "01:44:18", "text": "that there probably is a planet out"}, {"end": "01:44:24", "start": "01:44:20", "text": "there. Even NASA admits that it's more"}, {"end": "01:44:26", "start": "01:44:22", "text": "likely there is than not."}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:24", "text": "And um I don't know if its orbit would"}, {"end": "01:44:29", "start": "01:44:26", "text": "is retrograde. I don't know if they've"}, {"end": "01:44:30", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "discovered that yet because they can't"}, {"end": "01:44:33", "start": "01:44:29", "text": "see it. All they can see is"}, {"end": "01:44:35", "start": "01:44:30", "text": "gravitational distortions"}, {"end": "01:44:37", "start": "01:44:33", "text": "um that only are explained by something"}, {"end": "01:44:39", "start": "01:44:35", "text": "really really big out there. something"}, {"end": "01:44:41", "start": "01:44:37", "text": "that goes beyond the Kyper belt, I"}, {"end": "01:44:42", "start": "01:44:39", "text": "believe, but not quite as far as the or"}, {"end": "01:44:44", "start": "01:44:41", "text": "cloud. Go ahead, Gino."}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:42", "text": "Well, how does that explain why they see"}, {"end": "01:44:48", "start": "01:44:44", "text": "other planets all over? It seems like"}, {"end": "01:44:50", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "they're saying, \"Oh, we found this one"}, {"end": "01:44:51", "start": "01:44:48", "text": "that's that's uh possible for life. We"}, {"end": "01:44:53", "start": "01:44:50", "text": "found this one.\" You know,"}, {"end": "01:44:55", "start": "01:44:51", "text": "they only really see them they only"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:53", "text": "really see them with with what's called"}, {"end": "01:44:59", "start": "01:44:55", "text": "checking the transit. And that's when a"}, {"end": "01:45:02", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "planet flies in front of the star and it"}, {"end": "01:45:04", "start": "01:44:59", "text": "and it's it dims for just a little bit."}, {"end": "01:45:06", "start": "01:45:02", "text": "And that's how they know the size of the"}, {"end": "01:45:08", "start": "01:45:04", "text": "object. Although although I think web"}, {"end": "01:45:10", "start": "01:45:06", "text": "has our first actual photo of a gas"}, {"end": "01:45:12", "start": "01:45:08", "text": "giant from another from another solar"}, {"end": "01:45:14", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "system was very recent."}, {"end": "01:45:16", "start": "01:45:12", "text": "So Nibiru is playing hide-and-seek."}, {"end": "01:45:18", "start": "01:45:14", "text": "Hideand- seek. Dark star. That's the"}, {"end": "01:45:19", "start": "01:45:16", "text": "dark star."}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:18", "text": "I think I did an episode on it, didn't"}, {"end": "01:45:25", "start": "01:45:19", "text": "I? If not, I need to"}, {"end": "01:45:27", "start": "01:45:22", "text": "haven't done dark star yet. Huh?"}, {"end": "01:45:30", "start": "01:45:25", "text": "Yeah. There's I mean there's also the"}, {"end": "01:45:32", "start": "01:45:27", "text": "theory that's not debunked is that the"}, {"end": "01:45:34", "start": "01:45:30", "text": "dark star could that we could actually"}, {"end": "01:45:36", "start": "01:45:32", "text": "be part of a binary star system which"}, {"end": "01:45:37", "start": "01:45:34", "text": "would explain a lot of the gravitational"}, {"end": "01:45:40", "start": "01:45:36", "text": "anomalies"}, {"end": "01:45:43", "start": "01:45:37", "text": "which would be interesting because most"}, {"end": "01:45:45", "start": "01:45:40", "text": "star systems that we find are binary are"}, {"end": "01:45:48", "start": "01:45:43", "text": "binary star systems. Unary star systems"}, {"end": "01:45:50", "start": "01:45:45", "text": "are less common. We're less common. And"}, {"end": "01:45:52", "start": "01:45:48", "text": "then there's trinary star systems which"}, {"end": "01:45:56", "start": "01:45:50", "text": "which are crazy because then you're in"}, {"end": "01:45:57", "start": "01:45:52", "text": "threebody problem territory."}, {"end": "01:45:58", "start": "01:45:56", "text": "But I don't want to get too sciency. I"}, {"end": "01:46:00", "start": "01:45:57", "text": "don't know what I'm talking about. I"}, {"end": "01:46:02", "start": "01:45:58", "text": "just talked to a fish. Parker Woodward"}, {"end": "01:46:03", "start": "01:46:00", "text": "999. What's your favorite UFO story case"}, {"end": "01:46:06", "start": "01:46:02", "text": "for me? Hands that it's the Vagina"}, {"end": "01:46:07", "start": "01:46:03", "text": "incident. That's not my favorite because"}, {"end": "01:46:10", "start": "01:46:06", "text": "I don't I'm not really a believer of"}, {"end": "01:46:11", "start": "01:46:07", "text": "that one. It's a fun story though. If"}, {"end": "01:46:12", "start": "01:46:10", "text": "you guys want to check it out, I did an"}, {"end": "01:46:15", "start": "01:46:11", "text": "episode on that on the Virginia"}, {"end": "01:46:18", "start": "01:46:12", "text": "incident. D Brazil. Brazil has a lot of"}, {"end": "01:46:20", "start": "01:46:15", "text": "good UFO stories. Um, Operation Prada"}, {"end": "01:46:22", "start": "01:46:18", "text": "was a I like that one. That one I didn't"}, {"end": "01:46:24", "start": "01:46:20", "text": "see covered very much. It will now be."}, {"end": "01:46:26", "start": "01:46:22", "text": "Now it will be. But I didn't see that"}, {"end": "01:46:28", "start": "01:46:24", "text": "one covered very much. That one"}, {"end": "01:46:30", "start": "01:46:26", "text": "absolutely happened."}, {"end": "01:46:32", "start": "01:46:28", "text": "That one absolutely happened. People got"}, {"end": "01:46:34", "start": "01:46:30", "text": "hurt by aliens. It absolutely happened."}, {"end": "01:46:38", "start": "01:46:32", "text": "The government says so. I don't know why"}, {"end": "01:46:40", "start": "01:46:34", "text": "no one really talks about it. Um,"}, {"end": "01:46:42", "start": "01:46:38", "text": "we got to get James, what's his name? To"}, {"end": "01:46:43", "start": "01:46:40", "text": "do to do a documentary on it."}, {"end": "01:46:45", "start": "01:46:42", "text": "James Fox."}, {"end": "01:46:46", "start": "01:46:43", "text": "Yeah, we got to do James Fox has got to"}, {"end": "01:46:51", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "do do Prada because he did he did"}, {"end": "01:46:54", "start": "01:46:46", "text": "Virginia and he did a great job with it."}, {"end": "01:46:56", "start": "01:46:51", "text": "He's uh right now editing an uh his new"}, {"end": "01:46:58", "start": "01:46:54", "text": "film. Uh it should I'm not sure what"}, {"end": "01:47:01", "start": "01:46:56", "text": "what I'm allowed to say about it, but I"}, {"end": "01:47:02", "start": "01:46:58", "text": "just talked to him recently. Uh he's uh"}, {"end": "01:47:05", "start": "01:47:01", "text": "his new one coming out. It's going to be"}, {"end": "01:47:08", "start": "01:47:02", "text": "a really really interesting."}, {"end": "01:47:09", "start": "01:47:05", "text": "But we'll probably work with him on"}, {"end": "01:47:11", "start": "01:47:08", "text": "promoting that. I believe we did with"}, {"end": "01:47:14", "start": "01:47:09", "text": "the last one."}, {"end": "01:47:16", "start": "01:47:11", "text": "Yeah, he's a he's a great guy. uh with"}, {"end": "01:47:19", "start": "01:47:14", "text": "Vahina. I think the problem is that some"}, {"end": "01:47:22", "start": "01:47:16", "text": "of the the people that were witnesses"}, {"end": "01:47:24", "start": "01:47:19", "text": "could be not credible, but that doesn't"}, {"end": "01:47:25", "start": "01:47:22", "text": "mean all of them were. So, there was"}, {"end": "01:47:28", "start": "01:47:24", "text": "some interesting pieces there."}, {"end": "01:47:30", "start": "01:47:25", "text": "100% right. And um and that's the"}, {"end": "01:47:32", "start": "01:47:28", "text": "problem is a couple of the witnesses and"}, {"end": "01:47:34", "start": "01:47:30", "text": "you had Dr. John Mack go down there."}, {"end": "01:47:37", "start": "01:47:32", "text": "Johnny Mack talked to some of the the"}, {"end": "01:47:40", "start": "01:47:34", "text": "girls that saw the creature behind the"}, {"end": "01:47:44", "start": "01:47:37", "text": "building and you know he he kind of led"}, {"end": "01:47:46", "start": "01:47:40", "text": "the witness as he was known to do. Um in"}, {"end": "01:47:48", "start": "01:47:44", "text": "fact my criticism of of Dr. Mack got me"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:46", "text": "my got me a strike on the channel from"}, {"end": "01:47:53", "start": "01:47:48", "text": "his um family. I had I had to re-edit"}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "that. They didn't want Dr. Mack part of"}, {"end": "01:47:56", "start": "01:47:53", "text": "that one at all. I hope they haven't"}, {"end": "01:47:58", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "watched the channel since because I"}, {"end": "01:48:00", "start": "01:47:56", "text": "brought him up again."}, {"end": "01:48:02", "start": "01:47:58", "text": "Although I'm not I'm not criticizing"}, {"end": "01:48:05", "start": "01:48:00", "text": "him. He was he was a great man. He was a"}, {"end": "01:48:07", "start": "01:48:02", "text": "he was a brilliant man. But he was a"}, {"end": "01:48:09", "start": "01:48:05", "text": "believer, you know, he was a Linda"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:07", "text": "Molton how he was one of those. He goes"}, {"end": "01:48:14", "start": "01:48:09", "text": "in believing it. So he's helping them."}, {"end": "01:48:17", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "You know, he was a trained he was a a"}, {"end": "01:48:20", "start": "01:48:14", "text": "brilliant psychiatrist,"}, {"end": "01:48:22", "start": "01:48:17", "text": "an award-winning writer. So he he was"}, {"end": "01:48:24", "start": "01:48:20", "text": "very compassionate about certainly about"}, {"end": "01:48:26", "start": "01:48:22", "text": "abductees. Was very compassionate about"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:24", "text": "abductees. So he's going down there and"}, {"end": "01:48:30", "start": "01:48:26", "text": "people are in trauma. you. He did the"}, {"end": "01:48:32", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "same thing in Zimbabwe with that UFO"}, {"end": "01:48:35", "start": "01:48:30", "text": "incident. Kids are in trauma, so he"}, {"end": "01:48:37", "start": "01:48:32", "text": "wants to help them, but in that process"}, {"end": "01:48:39", "start": "01:48:35", "text": "of telling them it's okay with what you"}, {"end": "01:48:41", "start": "01:48:37", "text": "saw, you're kind of telling them you saw"}, {"end": "01:48:43", "start": "01:48:39", "text": "something"}, {"end": "01:48:46", "start": "01:48:41", "text": "when when in Zimbabwe probably didn't"}, {"end": "01:48:48", "start": "01:48:43", "text": "happen. Arginia maybe did. I don't know"}, {"end": "01:48:51", "start": "01:48:46", "text": "if I believe them like Gino said because"}, {"end": "01:48:55", "start": "01:48:48", "text": "of the witnesses, but something was"}, {"end": "01:48:57", "start": "01:48:51", "text": "something was there."}, {"end": "01:49:00", "start": "01:48:55", "text": "I'm just reading the private chat there."}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:57", "text": "Oh. Uh, yes. I think that's about ninjas"}, {"end": "01:49:06", "start": "01:49:00", "text": "and butterflies. I was talking about"}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "Joshua. Uh, I talked to him uh from the"}, {"end": "01:49:10", "start": "01:49:06", "text": "show. So, if we ever want to do some"}, {"end": "01:49:11", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "kind of crossover, it's available. I"}, {"end": "01:49:11", "start": "01:49:10", "text": "think"}, {"end": "01:49:13", "start": "01:49:11", "text": "I don't think"}, {"end": "01:49:14", "start": "01:49:11", "text": "I Sam Tripolley was just on on their"}, {"end": "01:49:17", "start": "01:49:13", "text": "show. I don't know if it was once or"}, {"end": "01:49:18", "start": "01:49:14", "text": "twice, but man, that was it was great. I"}, {"end": "01:49:21", "start": "01:49:17", "text": "I keep catching it in all the clips and"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:18", "text": "and just like you said earlier, Sam's uh"}, {"end": "01:49:25", "start": "01:49:21", "text": "wacky and out there, but he is"}, {"end": "01:49:27", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "entertaining and worth listening to. And"}, {"end": "01:49:30", "start": "01:49:25", "text": "you get the that the side of the story"}, {"end": "01:49:33", "start": "01:49:27", "text": "that everyone wants to hear anyway."}, {"end": "01:49:35", "start": "01:49:30", "text": "Yeah. Sam never goes, \"But is it true,"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:33", "text": "right?\""}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:35", "text": "Sam goes, \"It's true. It's to definitely"}, {"end": "01:49:38", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "true."}, {"end": "01:49:40", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "He's convinced."}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:38", "text": "It's definitely true.\" And then and then"}, {"end": "01:49:44", "start": "01:49:40", "text": "he go and then somehow Pizzagate is"}, {"end": "01:49:45", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "involved."}, {"end": "01:49:48", "start": "01:49:44", "text": "You got to tell him, \"Stop talking about"}, {"end": "01:49:51", "start": "01:49:45", "text": "Pizzagate.\" But it happened. I know it"}, {"end": "01:49:54", "start": "01:49:48", "text": "happened. You can't talk about it."}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:51", "text": "I know it happened."}, {"end": "01:49:59", "start": "01:49:54", "text": "But I'll tell you my someone once on one"}, {"end": "01:50:00", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "of the early after files asked each one"}, {"end": "01:50:03", "start": "01:49:59", "text": "of us what our favorite conspiracy"}, {"end": "01:50:05", "start": "01:50:00", "text": "theory was. And mine was the soul"}, {"end": "01:50:07", "start": "01:50:03", "text": "recycler. That's the moon. And we wound"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:05", "text": "up doing an episode on it. That came"}, {"end": "01:50:12", "start": "01:50:07", "text": "directly from a conversation me and Sam"}, {"end": "01:50:14", "start": "01:50:09", "text": "had just a week prior cuz that's that's"}, {"end": "01:50:15", "start": "01:50:12", "text": "the one that we were talking about."}, {"end": "01:50:17", "start": "01:50:14", "text": "That's a good one. That's the that's the"}, {"end": "01:50:19", "start": "01:50:15", "text": "reptilian race living on the moon have"}, {"end": "01:50:21", "start": "01:50:17", "text": "an out have an operation there on the"}, {"end": "01:50:24", "start": "01:50:19", "text": "dark side that we can't see and they"}, {"end": "01:50:27", "start": "01:50:21", "text": "pull our soul energy during during our"}, {"end": "01:50:28", "start": "01:50:24", "text": "reincarnation process as a means of"}, {"end": "01:50:30", "start": "01:50:27", "text": "sustenance"}, {"end": "01:50:32", "start": "01:50:28", "text": "and they keep us trapped trapped in this"}, {"end": "01:50:34", "start": "01:50:30", "text": "cycle of reincarnation just to feed"}, {"end": "01:50:36", "start": "01:50:32", "text": "them."}, {"end": "01:50:40", "start": "01:50:34", "text": "And it it's interesting that there are"}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:36", "text": "other alien stories that talk about a"}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:40", "text": "sim something similar to that that we"}, {"end": "01:50:50", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "our bodies are containers and uh that we"}, {"end": "01:50:52", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "just have that amnesia once we're born."}, {"end": "01:50:54", "start": "01:50:50", "text": "Sure."}, {"end": "01:50:56", "start": "01:50:52", "text": "And that that could be explained by by"}, {"end": "01:50:59", "start": "01:50:54", "text": "children who have these repressed"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:56", "text": "memories of pre of past lives."}, {"end": "01:51:05", "start": "01:50:59", "text": "And and be and because of that story"}, {"end": "01:51:07", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "particularly, I am training myself that"}, {"end": "01:51:10", "start": "01:51:05", "text": "when I see the light to turn the other"}, {"end": "01:51:12", "start": "01:51:07", "text": "way to try and go to the cosmos instead"}, {"end": "01:51:14", "start": "01:51:10", "text": "of go to the light. Don't be fooled by"}, {"end": "01:51:17", "start": "01:51:12", "text": "seeing your loved ones."}, {"end": "01:51:19", "start": "01:51:14", "text": "It's a trap. That's a that's a that's a"}, {"end": "01:51:21", "start": "01:51:17", "text": "lizard person dressed like dad."}, {"end": "01:51:22", "start": "01:51:19", "text": "I I just want to have the option. I want"}, {"end": "01:51:24", "start": "01:51:21", "text": "to look what's behind me instead of"}, {"end": "01:51:27", "start": "01:51:22", "text": "going to the light. I got to give myself"}, {"end": "01:51:28", "start": "01:51:24", "text": "at least some sort of option."}, {"end": "01:51:31", "start": "01:51:27", "text": "Yeah. You think dad's winking, but he's"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:28", "text": "really It's He's blinking sideways."}, {"end": "01:51:37", "start": "01:51:31", "text": "Don't I don't trust you, Pop. Get go"}, {"end": "01:51:37", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "back to the light. I'm good."}, {"end": "01:51:42", "start": "01:51:39", "text": "All right. David's saying, \"Please do"}, {"end": "01:51:46", "start": "01:51:40", "text": "the shroud. Happy to do it. It's a great"}, {"end": "01:51:48", "start": "01:51:42", "text": "story. Um I think I'm I'm tough enough"}, {"end": "01:51:50", "start": "01:51:46", "text": "now to take all the aggressive hate"}, {"end": "01:51:54", "start": "01:51:48", "text": "messages I'll get from hardcore"}, {"end": "01:51:54", "start": "01:51:50", "text": "Catholics. I can take it.\""}, {"end": "01:51:59", "start": "01:51:55", "text": "Uh, Nick B saying, \"We just need to"}, {"end": "01:52:01", "start": "01:51:57", "text": "raise the taxes and government will make"}, {"end": "01:52:03", "start": "01:51:59", "text": "the asteroids avoid hitting Earth.\" Lol."}, {"end": "01:52:07", "start": "01:52:01", "text": "Just kidding. Taxes are theft."}, {"end": "01:52:09", "start": "01:52:03", "text": "Now, this is an idea I can get behind."}, {"end": "01:52:14", "start": "01:52:07", "text": "Taxes are theft. Still no movement on"}, {"end": "01:52:16", "start": "01:52:09", "text": "the audit, huh? IRS."}, {"end": "01:52:18", "start": "01:52:14", "text": "Okay. Okay."}, {"end": "01:52:23", "start": "01:52:16", "text": "We had an election. Suddenly got that"}, {"end": "01:52:25", "start": "01:52:18", "text": "audit went away. H interesting."}, {"end": "01:52:26", "start": "01:52:23", "text": "Uh, Mr. Wilson never did like Joe Jo."}, {"end": "01:52:29", "start": "01:52:25", "text": "Now I have one more reason to dislike"}, {"end": "01:52:31", "start": "01:52:26", "text": "the ass hat. I did watch your interview."}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:29", "text": "You were great. Talk about a backhanded"}, {"end": "01:52:36", "start": "01:52:31", "text": "compliment. But I appreciate that. Joe's"}, {"end": "01:52:40", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "not everyone's cup of tea. I get it. I"}, {"end": "01:52:42", "start": "01:52:36", "text": "just like with um with Shawn, I only"}, {"end": "01:52:44", "start": "01:52:40", "text": "watch the episodes with Joe with people"}, {"end": "01:52:46", "start": "01:52:42", "text": "that I know and I'm interested in and"}, {"end": "01:52:48", "start": "01:52:44", "text": "usually just the clips. But if he has"}, {"end": "01:52:50", "start": "01:52:46", "text": "Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson on,"}, {"end": "01:52:51", "start": "01:52:48", "text": "I'm in for all of it. You know, guys"}, {"end": "01:52:52", "start": "01:52:50", "text": "like that, I'm in for all of it. But I"}, {"end": "01:52:56", "start": "01:52:51", "text": "can't remember the last full episode"}, {"end": "01:52:58", "start": "01:52:52", "text": "I've watched of his. Um, you know, maybe"}, {"end": "01:53:00", "start": "01:52:56", "text": "Corsettes I watch I think Jimmy might"}, {"end": "01:53:01", "start": "01:52:58", "text": "have been on there again recently,"}, {"end": "01:53:02", "start": "01:53:00", "text": "you know, but I just like, you know, I"}, {"end": "01:53:04", "start": "01:53:01", "text": "like Jimmy. If you guys don't know,"}, {"end": "01:53:07", "start": "01:53:02", "text": "Bright Insight is a great channel."}, {"end": "01:53:09", "start": "01:53:04", "text": "Covers all the stuff that we do. Goes"}, {"end": "01:53:12", "start": "01:53:07", "text": "deep dives in Atlantis. Go back with"}, {"end": "01:53:14", "start": "01:53:09", "text": "covers it way deeper than we do. He's a"}, {"end": "01:53:15", "start": "01:53:12", "text": "he's a fan uh friend and a fan of the"}, {"end": "01:53:18", "start": "01:53:14", "text": "channel. He's a good dude. He's a"}, {"end": "01:53:20", "start": "01:53:15", "text": "retired combat vet. He's everything that"}, {"end": "01:53:24", "start": "01:53:18", "text": "I like. And something just uh this week"}, {"end": "01:53:27", "start": "01:53:20", "text": "that he put out on his uh ex account was"}, {"end": "01:53:30", "start": "01:53:24", "text": "uh some petroglyphs that were from uh"}, {"end": "01:53:33", "start": "01:53:27", "text": "Hawaii and I was up in Utah and me and"}, {"end": "01:53:35", "start": "01:53:30", "text": "Patrick from vetted saw the same exact"}, {"end": "01:53:37", "start": "01:53:33", "text": "thing. We have like video and pictures"}, {"end": "01:53:39", "start": "01:53:35", "text": "and it was like a synchronicity that he"}, {"end": "01:53:41", "start": "01:53:37", "text": "put it out on one day and we were"}, {"end": "01:53:44", "start": "01:53:39", "text": "looking at the same thing in a whole"}, {"end": "01:53:46", "start": "01:53:41", "text": "different part of the world."}, {"end": "01:53:49", "start": "01:53:44", "text": "I talked about the um the man."}, {"end": "01:53:51", "start": "01:53:46", "text": "The man. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:53:54", "start": "01:53:49", "text": "All right, I'll just bring this up for"}, {"end": "01:53:54", "start": "01:53:51", "text": "folks."}, {"end": "01:53:58", "start": "01:53:54", "text": "I hear you."}, {"end": "01:54:00", "start": "01:53:57", "text": "This is the kind of stuff we're talking"}, {"end": "01:54:02", "start": "01:53:58", "text": "about. The Hawai's petetroglyphs"}, {"end": "01:54:05", "start": "01:54:00", "text": "and um"}, {"end": "01:54:06", "start": "01:54:02", "text": "the same you see the same stuff in Utah."}, {"end": "01:54:10", "start": "01:54:05", "text": "You see the same stuff in the Middle"}, {"end": "01:54:14", "start": "01:54:06", "text": "East. Same stuff."}, {"end": "01:54:18", "start": "01:54:10", "text": "Uh native legends h had these same ones."}, {"end": "01:54:18", "start": "01:54:14", "text": "Star people saw the same stuff."}, {"end": "01:54:25", "start": "01:54:19", "text": "And it's obvious to see what they're"}, {"end": "01:54:27", "start": "01:54:22", "text": "considering humans and what they're not."}, {"end": "01:54:29", "start": "01:54:25", "text": "What is it, dummy?"}, {"end": "01:54:30", "start": "01:54:27", "text": "What is it? He thinks I'm talking to"}, {"end": "01:54:32", "start": "01:54:29", "text": "him."}, {"end": "01:54:35", "start": "01:54:30", "text": "That's cuz I know because I don't don't"}, {"end": "01:54:36", "start": "01:54:32", "text": "really talk to anybody. You know, even"}, {"end": "01:54:39", "start": "01:54:35", "text": "Jen comes in, but this is my room where"}, {"end": "01:54:42", "start": "01:54:36", "text": "I watch TV and and drink. I don't really"}, {"end": "01:54:44", "start": "01:54:39", "text": "talk to her either. If I'm in here, just"}, {"end": "01:54:45", "start": "01:54:42", "text": "this is me time. So he thinks I'm"}, {"end": "01:54:47", "start": "01:54:44", "text": "talking to him because that's the only"}, {"end": "01:54:49", "start": "01:54:45", "text": "person I that's the only p person that's"}, {"end": "01:54:52", "start": "01:54:47", "text": "the only thing I talk to in here is that"}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:49", "text": "is this that one cat."}, {"end": "01:54:57", "start": "01:54:52", "text": "All right. So um"}, {"end": "01:54:58", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "let me how do I how do I arrange it?"}, {"end": "01:55:00", "start": "01:54:57", "text": "There we go. Uh business knowledge wants"}, {"end": "01:55:01", "start": "01:54:58", "text": "to know what the seven book series you"}, {"end": "01:55:05", "start": "01:55:00", "text": "were talking about. I pulled that up for"}, {"end": "01:55:06", "start": "01:55:01", "text": "you. That's Radu Cinear's books. I don't"}, {"end": "01:55:07", "start": "01:55:05", "text": "think I linked to them at the bottom of"}, {"end": "01:55:09", "start": "01:55:06", "text": "the episode. I probably should have for"}, {"end": "01:55:12", "start": "01:55:07", "text": "affiliate codes, although I'm sure you"}, {"end": "01:55:15", "start": "01:55:09", "text": "can get them for free. So, Transian"}, {"end": "01:55:16", "start": "01:55:12", "text": "Sunrise, that's the one that uh"}, {"end": "01:55:20", "start": "01:55:15", "text": "tonight's episode was based on this this"}, {"end": "01:55:22", "start": "01:55:16", "text": "this series of books,"}, {"end": "01:55:24", "start": "01:55:20", "text": "which I think was five of them, maybe"}, {"end": "01:55:27", "start": "01:55:22", "text": "seven. But this is the one I want to do"}, {"end": "01:55:28", "start": "01:55:24", "text": "next is the inside the earth, the second"}, {"end": "01:55:30", "start": "01:55:27", "text": "tunnel,"}, {"end": "01:55:33", "start": "01:55:28", "text": "and um there's mystery to Egypt was the"}, {"end": "01:55:35", "start": "01:55:30", "text": "first tunnel."}, {"end": "01:55:38", "start": "01:55:33", "text": "I don't know what forgotten Genesis is,"}, {"end": "01:55:39", "start": "01:55:35", "text": "but I am intrigued by it."}, {"end": "01:55:41", "start": "01:55:38", "text": "Let's find out. Let's see if there's an"}, {"end": "01:55:43", "start": "01:55:39", "text": "episode in here. Forgotten Genesis"}, {"end": "01:55:44", "start": "01:55:41", "text": "delves into ancient history in a way"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:43", "text": "that no book has done before, explaining"}, {"end": "01:55:47", "start": "01:55:44", "text": "and illustrating changes in DNA that"}, {"end": "01:55:48", "start": "01:55:46", "text": "have taken place over millennia now. How"}, {"end": "01:55:50", "start": "01:55:47", "text": "mankind has evolved into what it is"}, {"end": "01:55:52", "start": "01:55:48", "text": "today. Some of the hot spots of human"}, {"end": "01:55:54", "start": "01:55:50", "text": "history which either remained unknown or"}, {"end": "01:55:56", "start": "01:55:52", "text": "only been considered by mythological"}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:54", "text": "positions including Atlantis, Troy,"}, {"end": "01:55:59", "start": "01:55:56", "text": "Shambala and Hyperoreia. The diversity"}, {"end": "01:56:01", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "and accuracy of the explanation"}, {"end": "01:56:02", "start": "01:55:59", "text": "presented are clear and conclusive. Are"}, {"end": "01:56:03", "start": "01:56:01", "text": "they though combining pure esoteric"}, {"end": "01:56:06", "start": "01:56:02", "text": "knowledge with certain scientific"}, {"end": "01:56:07", "start": "01:56:03", "text": "elements? particular emphasis is placed"}, {"end": "01:56:09", "start": "01:56:06", "text": "upon the existence and manifestation of"}, {"end": "01:56:11", "start": "01:56:07", "text": "interdimensional chasms or portals at"}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:09", "text": "the intersections between the physical"}, {"end": "01:56:16", "start": "01:56:11", "text": "plane and etheric plane. I think we got"}, {"end": "01:56:18", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "a we got a a link we got an episode"}, {"end": "01:56:22", "start": "01:56:16", "text": "right there."}, {"end": "01:56:25", "start": "01:56:18", "text": "You know, I get so excited when the uh"}, {"end": "01:56:28", "start": "01:56:22", "text": "stories the wackier stories that um you"}, {"end": "01:56:30", "start": "01:56:25", "text": "know we talk about get chosen and uh"}, {"end": "01:56:32", "start": "01:56:28", "text": "it's like having a a Wiles bingo card."}, {"end": "01:56:33", "start": "01:56:30", "text": "You know the what's"}, {"end": "01:56:34", "start": "01:56:32", "text": "you get excited when it's one one of"}, {"end": "01:56:37", "start": "01:56:33", "text": "yours?"}, {"end": "01:56:42", "start": "01:56:34", "text": "Yeah. Well, yeah, of course."}, {"end": "01:56:44", "start": "01:56:37", "text": "I mean, like I love"}, {"end": "01:56:46", "start": "01:56:42", "text": "If it's Peter Moon produces it, it's"}, {"end": "01:56:50", "start": "01:56:44", "text": "bunk."}, {"end": "01:56:50", "start": "01:56:46", "text": "Can he sue me for that?"}, {"end": "01:56:52", "start": "01:56:50", "text": "He"}, {"end": "01:56:55", "start": "01:56:51", "text": "It might be entertaining though."}, {"end": "01:56:58", "start": "01:56:52", "text": "It It would be entertaining. He can't."}, {"end": "01:57:01", "start": "01:56:55", "text": "Um, bunk doesn't mean Bunk still means"}, {"end": "01:57:03", "start": "01:56:58", "text": "fun. Look, Gaia is bunk. But whenever"}, {"end": "01:57:07", "start": "01:57:01", "text": "I'm doing a story, I go right there. I'm"}, {"end": "01:57:11", "start": "01:57:03", "text": "a paid member of Gaia. I I pay I pay a"}, {"end": "01:57:14", "start": "01:57:07", "text": "dollar bill. I pay $10 a month for those"}, {"end": "01:57:18", "start": "01:57:11", "text": "and I watch them."}, {"end": "01:57:20", "start": "01:57:14", "text": "And there's always good stuff on there."}, {"end": "01:57:23", "start": "01:57:18", "text": "You don't have to uh it doesn't have to"}, {"end": "01:57:27", "start": "01:57:20", "text": "be true to be fun. That's kind of it's"}, {"end": "01:57:30", "start": "01:57:23", "text": "kind of our motto. It's our motto."}, {"end": "01:57:30", "start": "01:57:27", "text": "I'm trying to figure this out."}, {"end": "01:57:35", "start": "01:57:31", "text": "Uh 8:37. How long we've been going? Two"}, {"end": "01:57:37", "start": "01:57:33", "text": "hours."}, {"end": "01:57:40", "start": "01:57:35", "text": "Want to make sure I get enough super"}, {"end": "01:57:42", "start": "01:57:37", "text": "chats in. Um we'll do last call for"}, {"end": "01:57:46", "start": "01:57:40", "text": "super chats. I try to do them all. I"}, {"end": "01:57:48", "start": "01:57:42", "text": "have 110 to go. So, I'm not going to."}, {"end": "01:57:51", "start": "01:57:46", "text": "So, if you if you want me to shout you"}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:48", "text": "out and read your super chat, don't"}, {"end": "01:57:55", "start": "01:57:51", "text": "don't do it. Save your money."}, {"end": "01:57:57", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "I mean, if you super chat your help with"}, {"end": "01:57:59", "start": "01:57:55", "text": "the channel, and thank you for that, but"}, {"end": "01:58:01", "start": "01:57:57", "text": "I don't want people get upset when like,"}, {"end": "01:58:04", "start": "01:57:59", "text": "\"Hey, I I I sent a 99 cents and you"}, {"end": "01:58:07", "start": "01:58:01", "text": "didn't read it.\" I apologize if it was"}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:04", "text": "number 150 and I didn't get to it. I"}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:07", "text": "tried to"}, {"end": "01:58:14", "start": "01:58:11", "text": "more $5. There needs to be a heckle"}, {"end": "01:58:15", "start": "01:58:13", "text": "symbol there. Yeah, if you become a"}, {"end": "01:58:17", "start": "01:58:14", "text": "member on the channel, you get a"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:15", "text": "hecklefish icon"}, {"end": "01:58:22", "start": "01:58:17", "text": "and mischief gifting more memberships."}, {"end": "01:58:24", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "So, Mor asking, \"Is there a membership?"}, {"end": "01:58:27", "start": "01:58:22", "text": "Is there a hecklefish icon? I said, if"}, {"end": "01:58:31", "start": "01:58:24", "text": "you become a member, you get one is what"}, {"end": "01:58:31", "start": "01:58:27", "text": "I said to Mor."}, {"end": "01:58:40", "start": "01:58:35", "text": "I like for five with a muscle selfie. I"}, {"end": "01:58:43", "start": "01:58:38", "text": "love it. My boys and I love the show. My"}, {"end": "01:58:44", "start": "01:58:40", "text": "wife even likes it. Oh, got the plushy"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:43", "text": "for my 10-year-old birthday. He loves"}, {"end": "01:58:47", "start": "01:58:44", "text": "it. Keep up the good work. Glad to see"}, {"end": "01:58:50", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "you healthy."}, {"end": "01:58:52", "start": "01:58:47", "text": "Whoa, this is one smart human. Are you"}, {"end": "01:58:54", "start": "01:58:50", "text": "sure you're not pot goldfish?"}, {"end": "01:58:55", "start": "01:58:52", "text": "Appreciate that, man. Yeah, I'm healthy."}, {"end": "01:58:57", "start": "01:58:54", "text": "I'm doing good. I'm in good shape. I'm I"}, {"end": "01:58:59", "start": "01:58:55", "text": "think I'm in good shape, Victoria. I'm"}, {"end": "01:59:02", "start": "01:58:57", "text": "in good shape."}, {"end": "01:59:04", "start": "01:58:59", "text": "You saw the push-ups with your own eyes."}, {"end": "01:59:06", "start": "01:59:02", "text": "Jen said you whipped out the phone."}, {"end": "01:59:08", "start": "01:59:04", "text": "I put it on Instagram."}, {"end": "01:59:11", "start": "01:59:06", "text": "You Oh, no."}, {"end": "01:59:12", "start": "01:59:08", "text": "It's the most views I have. No, I put it"}, {"end": "01:59:16", "start": "01:59:11", "text": "on mine and it's the most views I've"}, {"end": "01:59:20", "start": "01:59:12", "text": "ever received. Like over 9,000."}, {"end": "01:59:22", "start": "01:59:16", "text": "Don't put Don't put it on mine."}, {"end": "01:59:24", "start": "01:59:20", "text": "So cringe. Did you put it up there,"}, {"end": "01:59:26", "start": "01:59:22", "text": "Gina?"}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:24", "text": "Don't if you did, take it down. That's"}, {"end": "01:59:28", "start": "01:59:26", "text": "like putting up a picture of you at the"}, {"end": "01:59:30", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "gym. Put"}, {"end": "01:59:31", "start": "01:59:28", "text": "that up there."}, {"end": "01:59:33", "start": "01:59:30", "text": "It was fun."}, {"end": "01:59:36", "start": "01:59:31", "text": "Get that off."}, {"end": "01:59:36", "start": "01:59:33", "text": "Ew."}, {"end": "01:59:41", "start": "01:59:36", "text": "That sex gal. No, that Texas gal. Sorry."}, {"end": "01:59:44", "start": "01:59:40", "text": "All right. Little I got a little less"}, {"end": "01:59:46", "start": "01:59:41", "text": "dick sick there. What about a vid on sky"}, {"end": "01:59:47", "start": "01:59:44", "text": "creatures like the monster from? Nope. I"}, {"end": "01:59:48", "start": "01:59:46", "text": "know you're not big on crypts, but"}, {"end": "01:59:51", "start": "01:59:47", "text": "there's so many interesting accounts,"}, {"end": "01:59:52", "start": "01:59:48", "text": "even videos. belief pod has a great pod"}, {"end": "01:59:55", "start": "01:59:51", "text": "about it. I've heard of that pod. That's"}, {"end": "01:59:58", "start": "01:59:52", "text": "a good one. I think I've even"}, {"end": "02:00:01", "start": "01:59:55", "text": "borrow used them as a source on some"}, {"end": "02:00:02", "start": "01:59:58", "text": "stuff. We'll check it out. I you know I"}, {"end": "02:00:07", "start": "02:00:01", "text": "I don't like the crypted stories, but"}, {"end": "02:00:09", "start": "02:00:02", "text": "the the audience does so I do them."}, {"end": "02:00:12", "start": "02:00:07", "text": "Didn't we just do a crypted?"}, {"end": "02:00:14", "start": "02:00:09", "text": "Yeah. Yes. Australia."}, {"end": "02:00:16", "start": "02:00:12", "text": "Oh, that's right. The bunips and stuff."}, {"end": "02:00:20", "start": "02:00:14", "text": "That one. Did Did it do that? Well,"}, {"end": "02:00:22", "start": "02:00:16", "text": "yes, it did. Okay."}, {"end": "02:00:24", "start": "02:00:20", "text": "Drat."}, {"end": "02:00:26", "start": "02:00:22", "text": "I think Apous will do well because it's"}, {"end": "02:00:28", "start": "02:00:24", "text": "end of the earth and stuff. People like"}, {"end": "02:00:31", "start": "02:00:26", "text": "when I destroy things."}, {"end": "02:00:31", "start": "02:00:28", "text": "They do."}, {"end": "02:00:35", "start": "02:00:33", "text": "People ask me this all the time."}, {"end": "02:00:37", "start": "02:00:34", "text": "Blondon, please do an episode on the"}, {"end": "02:00:39", "start": "02:00:35", "text": "real men in black. It needs to be more"}, {"end": "02:00:41", "start": "02:00:37", "text": "specific because there's so many men in"}, {"end": "02:00:43", "start": "02:00:39", "text": "black."}, {"end": "02:00:45", "start": "02:00:41", "text": "There's not like a men in black"}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:43", "text": "department at the DoD. There they don't"}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:45", "text": "have that. But the CIA has guys, a AOSI"}, {"end": "02:00:56", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "has guys."}, {"end": "02:00:59", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "They there are the DoD has guys. DHS has"}, {"end": "02:01:01", "start": "02:00:56", "text": "guys there. There are agencies we don't"}, {"end": "02:01:05", "start": "02:00:59", "text": "know of that have guys that go out and"}, {"end": "02:01:05", "start": "02:01:01", "text": "get do things."}, {"end": "02:01:09", "start": "02:01:05", "text": "So I need to know more. But I'm happy to"}, {"end": "02:01:11", "start": "02:01:07", "text": "do it. I mean I bring up I when people"}, {"end": "02:01:15", "start": "02:01:09", "text": "are visited by agents I bring it up in"}, {"end": "02:01:17", "start": "02:01:11", "text": "the story. It's a you know it's a thing."}, {"end": "02:01:19", "start": "02:01:15", "text": "Jonathan, thank you for the deuce. John,"}, {"end": "02:01:23", "start": "02:01:17", "text": "thank you for the double deuce. John,"}, {"end": "02:01:23", "start": "02:01:19", "text": "thank you for the triple deuce."}, {"end": "02:01:28", "start": "02:01:25", "text": "Real Men in Black. Got you. I'm just"}, {"end": "02:01:30", "start": "02:01:27", "text": "going through the list here trying to"}, {"end": "02:01:31", "start": "02:01:28", "text": "get these through because um when Jen"}, {"end": "02:01:34", "start": "02:01:30", "text": "and Jake get here, I'm going to want to"}, {"end": "02:01:35", "start": "02:01:31", "text": "bail. Mariana, thank you for this"}, {"end": "02:01:38", "start": "02:01:34", "text": "amazing episode. Thank you for the"}, {"end": "02:01:38", "start": "02:01:35", "text": "amazing comment."}, {"end": "02:01:46", "start": "02:01:42", "text": "I do have a minute black story for us,"}, {"end": "02:01:50", "start": "02:01:44", "text": "by the way."}, {"end": "02:01:50", "start": "02:01:46", "text": "Maybe that sheep will shear 007."}, {"end": "02:02:01", "start": "02:01:51", "text": "I'm a goldfish"}, {"end": "02:02:05", "start": "02:01:54", "text": "in a steel. I swim. I wanted"}, {"end": "02:02:05", "start": "02:02:01", "text": "I wanted a"}, {"end": "02:02:14", "start": "02:02:11", "text": "Hey virtual brother from another mother."}, {"end": "02:02:17", "start": "02:02:13", "text": "Glad you look well. Keep up the great"}, {"end": "02:02:18", "start": "02:02:14", "text": "work. Continue to take care uh take the"}, {"end": "02:02:20", "start": "02:02:17", "text": "care you need for both you and your"}, {"end": "02:02:23", "start": "02:02:18", "text": "family. Will do. She thank you for the"}, {"end": "02:02:26", "start": "02:02:20", "text": "generous uh donation."}, {"end": "02:02:29", "start": "02:02:23", "text": "Really helps out."}, {"end": "02:02:30", "start": "02:02:26", "text": "Patrick the anti-atholic"}, {"end": "02:02:32", "start": "02:02:29", "text": "saying a comment that I could have"}, {"end": "02:02:36", "start": "02:02:30", "text": "predicted. Abraham's God demands favors"}, {"end": "02:02:40", "start": "02:02:32", "text": "and child sacrifice. Wake up. I mean"}, {"end": "02:02:42", "start": "02:02:36", "text": "he's not wrong. He's not wrong. No. I"}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:40", "text": "don't know if that's a positive attitude"}, {"end": "02:02:51", "start": "02:02:42", "text": "generally,"}, {"end": "02:02:54", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "but you know, Cain and Abel is a thing,"}, {"end": "02:02:55", "start": "02:02:51", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "02:02:58", "start": "02:02:54", "text": "You know, maybe it's just a story, maybe"}, {"end": "02:03:00", "start": "02:02:55", "text": "not."}, {"end": "02:03:02", "start": "02:02:58", "text": "I remember a lot of it was just God"}, {"end": "02:03:04", "start": "02:03:00", "text": "testing him just to see if he would do"}, {"end": "02:03:06", "start": "02:03:02", "text": "it. Like he's got the knife out and then"}, {"end": "02:03:07", "start": "02:03:04", "text": "God's like, \"No, no, no, no. I was just"}, {"end": "02:03:08", "start": "02:03:06", "text": "I just wanted to see if you would do it."}, {"end": "02:03:10", "start": "02:03:07", "text": "I didn't really want you to do it.\" He's"}, {"end": "02:03:11", "start": "02:03:08", "text": "like, \"Yeah, totally ready to do it.\""}, {"end": "02:03:13", "start": "02:03:10", "text": "He's like, \"It"}, {"end": "02:03:15", "start": "02:03:11", "text": "was just I just want to see if you would"}, {"end": "02:03:16", "start": "02:03:13", "text": "do it.\""}, {"end": "02:03:18", "start": "02:03:15", "text": "Nicole Mendoza for 10 binge watch for a"}, {"end": "02:03:20", "start": "02:03:16", "text": "month. Became a Patreon member last"}, {"end": "02:03:22", "start": "02:03:18", "text": "year. Thank you for that."}, {"end": "02:03:24", "start": "02:03:20", "text": "Help me when I was working overnights."}, {"end": "02:03:26", "start": "02:03:22", "text": "Would also put on the podcast to sleep"}, {"end": "02:03:28", "start": "02:03:24", "text": "during the day. Oh, I just"}, {"end": "02:03:29", "start": "02:03:26", "text": "buddy."}, {"end": "02:03:31", "start": "02:03:28", "text": "He just kicked the cat right in the"}, {"end": "02:03:33", "start": "02:03:29", "text": "face. Uh put on the podcast during the"}, {"end": "02:03:35", "start": "02:03:31", "text": "day. Thanks. Uh love the show. It's very"}, {"end": "02:03:37", "start": "02:03:33", "text": "welcome to call. You okay, buddy? He's"}, {"end": "02:03:41", "start": "02:03:35", "text": "okay."}, {"end": "02:03:41", "start": "02:03:37", "text": "It was under the chair."}, {"end": "02:03:46", "start": "02:03:42", "text": "Santa's found some strange stuff in"}, {"end": "02:03:48", "start": "02:03:43", "text": "Mel's hole."}, {"end": "02:03:51", "start": "02:03:46", "text": "Maybe there's a magic seal fetus down"}, {"end": "02:03:51", "start": "02:03:48", "text": "there."}, {"end": "02:03:56", "start": "02:03:52", "text": "Jim Jim said, \"Illuminati volume two,"}, {"end": "02:03:58", "start": "02:03:55", "text": "number one, was my favorite.\" I think"}, {"end": "02:04:02", "start": "02:03:56", "text": "that one got demonetized. I'm glad you"}, {"end": "02:04:04", "start": "02:03:58", "text": "liked it. That one got demonetized."}, {"end": "02:04:06", "start": "02:04:02", "text": "Sometimes you fly too close to the sun,"}, {"end": "02:04:09", "start": "02:04:04", "text": "man."}, {"end": "02:04:12", "start": "02:04:06", "text": "That was the Bilderberg episode"}, {"end": "02:04:12", "start": "02:04:09", "text": "crushed."}, {"end": "02:04:18", "start": "02:04:14", "text": "Well, they demonetized it after it got a"}, {"end": "02:04:20", "start": "02:04:16", "text": "million views, though."}, {"end": "02:04:21", "start": "02:04:18", "text": "Yeah, they wait. They wait till they"}, {"end": "02:04:25", "start": "02:04:20", "text": "make their money, then they're like,"}, {"end": "02:04:27", "start": "02:04:21", "text": "then they cut it off. All right, I see"}, {"end": "02:04:29", "start": "02:04:25", "text": "what you're doing there."}, {"end": "02:04:31", "start": "02:04:27", "text": "Like with Rogan,"}, {"end": "02:04:32", "start": "02:04:29", "text": "he was demonetized and then they saw the"}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:31", "text": "views he's getting and they were like,"}, {"end": "02:04:36", "start": "02:04:32", "text": "\"Hey, maybe, you know, maybe we are for"}, {"end": "02:04:38", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "free speech. Let's turn it back on"}, {"end": "02:04:40", "start": "02:04:36", "text": "because we're so free speech.\" And all"}, {"end": "02:04:41", "start": "02:04:38", "text": "it really was was just chuch-ching"}, {"end": "02:04:44", "start": "02:04:40", "text": "just because he's just printing money"}, {"end": "02:04:47", "start": "02:04:41", "text": "over there. I can't even imagine. Can't"}, {"end": "02:04:48", "start": "02:04:44", "text": "even imagine"}, {"end": "02:04:51", "start": "02:04:47", "text": "the money that comes out of that"}, {"end": "02:04:51", "start": "02:04:48", "text": "channel."}, {"end": "02:04:55", "start": "02:04:51", "text": "Cougars Cub was a bit starruck, but"}, {"end": "02:04:56", "start": "02:04:53", "text": "thank you for having me on the AMA."}, {"end": "02:04:57", "start": "02:04:55", "text": "Looking forward to a Vanna episode and"}, {"end": "02:04:58", "start": "02:04:56", "text": "as always be safe kind know that you are"}, {"end": "02:05:01", "start": "02:04:57", "text": "appreciated. You are appreciated as"}, {"end": "02:05:03", "start": "02:04:58", "text": "well. Cougars Cub. It was fun to have"}, {"end": "02:05:06", "start": "02:05:01", "text": "you up there on the uh on the AMA"}, {"end": "02:05:08", "start": "02:05:03", "text": "and you don't need to be starruck."}, {"end": "02:05:09", "start": "02:05:06", "text": "You definitely don't need to be."}, {"end": "02:05:11", "start": "02:05:08", "text": "Jonathan Underwood, thank you for the"}, {"end": "02:05:13", "start": "02:05:09", "text": "another deuce. Investigate Chimney Park"}, {"end": "02:05:15", "start": "02:05:11", "text": "in Coington. Jonathan Underwood, thank"}, {"end": "02:05:18", "start": "02:05:13", "text": "you for the another deuce. Investigate"}, {"end": "02:05:18", "start": "02:05:15", "text": "Chimney Park in Coington."}, {"end": "02:05:24", "start": "02:05:19", "text": "Okay. It's like when people come on here"}, {"end": "02:05:25", "start": "02:05:22", "text": "to like plug their channel or their band"}, {"end": "02:05:29", "start": "02:05:24", "text": "and they just send they just flood it"}, {"end": "02:05:29", "start": "02:05:25", "text": "with $2 super chats."}, {"end": "02:05:36", "start": "02:05:31", "text": "Randall support. Love the show."}, {"end": "02:05:37", "start": "02:05:32", "text": "Appreciate Brian P. Gleason Nixon. Alien"}, {"end": "02:05:41", "start": "02:05:36", "text": "Encounter. I'm going to look into that"}, {"end": "02:05:43", "start": "02:05:37", "text": "because I'm a I'm I'm a fan of Gleon."}, {"end": "02:05:45", "start": "02:05:41", "text": "I don't know if I'm a fan of Nixon, but"}, {"end": "02:05:48", "start": "02:05:43", "text": "it's a good story."}, {"end": "02:05:52", "start": "02:05:45", "text": "It's a good story."}, {"end": "02:05:54", "start": "02:05:48", "text": "Frank, uh, enjoy the episode. I'm glad."}, {"end": "02:05:56", "start": "02:05:52", "text": "The other thing on that story I think I"}, {"end": "02:05:58", "start": "02:05:54", "text": "heard differently than what you guys"}, {"end": "02:06:02", "start": "02:05:56", "text": "talked about is I think they went to"}, {"end": "02:06:03", "start": "02:05:58", "text": "they took a train ride down the co east"}, {"end": "02:06:06", "start": "02:06:02", "text": "coast together. That's where they were"}, {"end": "02:06:10", "start": "02:06:03", "text": "doing their drinking."}, {"end": "02:06:13", "start": "02:06:06", "text": "I got to look into that. President and"}, {"end": "02:06:13", "start": "02:06:10", "text": "JP Simon."}, {"end": "02:06:19", "start": "02:06:16", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "02:06:24", "start": "02:06:19", "text": "JP Simon, no message, just monetary"}, {"end": "02:06:27", "start": "02:06:22", "text": "support. I appreciate that. That's the"}, {"end": "02:06:27", "start": "02:06:24", "text": "right way to do it."}, {"end": "02:06:31", "start": "02:06:27", "text": "There we go. You just I just had I just"}, {"end": "02:06:34", "start": "02:06:29", "text": "had to wrangle you. You just got"}, {"end": "02:06:38", "start": "02:06:31", "text": "wrangled. You just got coralled."}, {"end": "02:06:38", "start": "02:06:34", "text": "How's it make you feel?"}, {"end": "02:06:42", "start": "02:06:38", "text": "Santa's pretending 2023 I wasn't"}, {"end": "02:06:44", "start": "02:06:40", "text": "watching but night shift I would be"}, {"end": "02:06:47", "start": "02:06:42", "text": "wouldn't be listening as I was working"}, {"end": "02:06:47", "start": "02:06:44", "text": "bro"}, {"end": "02:06:52", "start": "02:06:49", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "02:06:56", "start": "02:06:51", "text": "thank you"}, {"end": "02:07:00", "start": "02:06:52", "text": "oh okay now things are making sense"}, {"end": "02:07:02", "start": "02:06:56", "text": "I appreciate the support Corey Miller uh"}, {"end": "02:07:03", "start": "02:07:00", "text": "miss you popping in the backstage chat"}, {"end": "02:07:06", "start": "02:07:02", "text": "I'm in there all the time Corey you just"}, {"end": "02:07:09", "start": "02:07:03", "text": "may not since it's 247 it's hard to"}, {"end": "02:07:11", "start": "02:07:06", "text": "catch it. But every time I reload the"}, {"end": "02:07:13", "start": "02:07:09", "text": "playlist, I jump in there, which is"}, {"end": "02:07:15", "start": "02:07:11", "text": "almost almost every day. The playlist"}, {"end": "02:07:17", "start": "02:07:13", "text": "changes up every day. I hop in there. I"}, {"end": "02:07:20", "start": "02:07:15", "text": "will gift a gift a bunch of memberships"}, {"end": "02:07:21", "start": "02:07:17", "text": "and hang out for a little bit."}, {"end": "02:07:23", "start": "02:07:20", "text": "So, I'm in there. Maybe we just missed"}, {"end": "02:07:26", "start": "02:07:21", "text": "each other. Ships in the night and so"}, {"end": "02:07:26", "start": "02:07:23", "text": "forth."}, {"end": "02:07:34", "start": "02:07:29", "text": "Angry out reacts was surprised to see"}, {"end": "02:07:36", "start": "02:07:31", "text": "you promoted on Amazon. As am I. We're"}, {"end": "02:07:38", "start": "02:07:34", "text": "not supposed to be on Amazon."}, {"end": "02:07:41", "start": "02:07:36", "text": "We're not supposed to be on Amazon. We"}, {"end": "02:07:43", "start": "02:07:38", "text": "We will be soon because I'm getting back"}, {"end": "02:07:45", "start": "02:07:41", "text": "into syndication, but we're going to do"}, {"end": "02:07:49", "start": "02:07:43", "text": "it ourselves. If you guys remember, we"}, {"end": "02:07:52", "start": "02:07:45", "text": "were syndicated for a while on Voodoo"}, {"end": "02:07:53", "start": "02:07:49", "text": "and Roku and Amazon and and Hulu and all"}, {"end": "02:07:56", "start": "02:07:52", "text": "everything that ends in we were for a"}, {"end": "02:07:58", "start": "02:07:53", "text": "while, but I didn't like the company"}, {"end": "02:08:01", "start": "02:07:56", "text": "we're working with. So, they didn't pay"}, {"end": "02:08:05", "start": "02:07:58", "text": "didn't pay us um the ton of money that"}, {"end": "02:08:07", "start": "02:08:01", "text": "we made for them. So, I pulled the deal,"}, {"end": "02:08:10", "start": "02:08:05", "text": "but people still repost our shows. I"}, {"end": "02:08:12", "start": "02:08:07", "text": "mean, there's we have a second IMDb now"}, {"end": "02:08:14", "start": "02:08:10", "text": "because someone just posted it, you"}, {"end": "02:08:16", "start": "02:08:12", "text": "know, with the wrong stuff. So, if you"}, {"end": "02:08:18", "start": "02:08:14", "text": "see us on Amazon now, that's that's it's"}, {"end": "02:08:22", "start": "02:08:16", "text": "not official."}, {"end": "02:08:24", "start": "02:08:18", "text": "But enjoy the stories."}, {"end": "02:08:26", "start": "02:08:22", "text": "Ninja backand apologizing for my"}, {"end": "02:08:28", "start": "02:08:24", "text": "Canadian currency. I just hearing you"}, {"end": "02:08:30", "start": "02:08:26", "text": "say I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Uh you sir"}, {"end": "02:08:31", "start": "02:08:28", "text": "have single-handedly opened my mind to a"}, {"end": "02:08:32", "start": "02:08:30", "text": "line of thinking that has enhanced my"}, {"end": "02:08:33", "start": "02:08:31", "text": "personal world perspective. Thank you"}, {"end": "02:08:35", "start": "02:08:32", "text": "for your work. That's very nice of you"}, {"end": "02:08:37", "start": "02:08:33", "text": "to say ninja. I appreciate the support"}, {"end": "02:08:40", "start": "02:08:35", "text": "and I don't mind the Canadian currency."}, {"end": "02:08:42", "start": "02:08:37", "text": "Dollar's dollar is strong right now."}, {"end": "02:08:44", "start": "02:08:40", "text": "I don't know what the exchange rate is."}, {"end": "02:08:46", "start": "02:08:42", "text": "I'm out of I'm out of that that loop."}, {"end": "02:08:47", "start": "02:08:44", "text": "You know, there are currencies I don't"}, {"end": "02:08:50", "start": "02:08:46", "text": "even know what they mean. Gino knows"}, {"end": "02:08:52", "start": "02:08:47", "text": "what this is. What What is that, Gino?"}, {"end": "02:08:56", "start": "02:08:50", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "02:08:58", "start": "02:08:52", "text": "I think that's Anunnaki, 1600 Anunnaki."}, {"end": "02:08:59", "start": "02:08:56", "text": "Oh, sorry."}, {"end": "02:09:00", "start": "02:08:58", "text": "I don't know what currency they used on"}, {"end": "02:09:03", "start": "02:08:59", "text": "Niru,"}, {"end": "02:09:06", "start": "02:09:00", "text": "but we got 1,600 of those."}, {"end": "02:09:08", "start": "02:09:03", "text": "Iraq vet here. 100% found something"}, {"end": "02:09:10", "start": "02:09:06", "text": "funky in Baghdad. More dives on ancient"}, {"end": "02:09:13", "start": "02:09:08", "text": "tech discoveries, please. We'll do"}, {"end": "02:09:15", "start": "02:09:10", "text": "um a lot of lot of stuff in Baghdad was"}, {"end": "02:09:18", "start": "02:09:13", "text": "defin the the museum was definitely"}, {"end": "02:09:19", "start": "02:09:15", "text": "looted by spec ops. It definitely was."}, {"end": "02:09:21", "start": "02:09:18", "text": "They left all kinds of valuables there"}, {"end": "02:09:24", "start": "02:09:19", "text": "and took some weird things. And I talked"}, {"end": "02:09:25", "start": "02:09:21", "text": "about it a little bit. I for even forget"}, {"end": "02:09:28", "start": "02:09:24", "text": "what episode it was, but I did link to"}, {"end": "02:09:30", "start": "02:09:25", "text": "it this week about um about the cylinder"}, {"end": "02:09:33", "start": "02:09:28", "text": "seals"}, {"end": "02:09:35", "start": "02:09:30", "text": "is one of the things they took. But"}, {"end": "02:09:37", "start": "02:09:33", "text": "these stories, conspiracy or not, always"}, {"end": "02:09:39", "start": "02:09:35", "text": "lead back to the bushes. They always"}, {"end": "02:09:42", "start": "02:09:37", "text": "lead back to the same names. You know,"}, {"end": "02:09:44", "start": "02:09:39", "text": "whether you're talking about Baghdad or"}, {"end": "02:09:47", "start": "02:09:42", "text": "Epstein, it always leads back to the"}, {"end": "02:09:47", "start": "02:09:44", "text": "bushes."}, {"end": "02:09:53", "start": "02:09:48", "text": "What? I don't I don't monetize this. I"}, {"end": "02:09:55", "start": "02:09:50", "text": "don't turn I don't monetize the stream."}, {"end": "02:09:58", "start": "02:09:53", "text": "So, so it doesn't matter. We can talk"}, {"end": "02:10:00", "start": "02:09:55", "text": "Epstein in here if we want to."}, {"end": "02:10:02", "start": "02:09:58", "text": "I mean, I did for 20 minutes at the"}, {"end": "02:10:05", "start": "02:10:00", "text": "beginning if you guys want to hear some"}, {"end": "02:10:08", "start": "02:10:02", "text": "some Epstein stuff. I I threw out I"}, {"end": "02:10:11", "start": "02:10:05", "text": "threw out the dots connected"}, {"end": "02:10:15", "start": "02:10:08", "text": "that that he that he's intelligence"}, {"end": "02:10:15", "start": "02:10:11", "text": "bagman. Money managed."}, {"end": "02:10:21", "start": "02:10:16", "text": "Have you Have you guys heard that? Did"}, {"end": "02:10:23", "start": "02:10:18", "text": "you have you heard that before recently?"}, {"end": "02:10:24", "start": "02:10:21", "text": "Uh there's people covering it now on"}, {"end": "02:10:26", "start": "02:10:23", "text": "YouTube."}, {"end": "02:10:29", "start": "02:10:24", "text": "Okay. But not really before."}, {"end": "02:10:32", "start": "02:10:26", "text": "No, like like within the week."}, {"end": "02:10:32", "start": "02:10:29", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "02:10:40", "start": "02:10:34", "text": "I mean, I covered it before, but"}, {"end": "02:10:42", "start": "02:10:38", "text": "I rarely give credit for that. Robo"}, {"end": "02:10:44", "start": "02:10:40", "text": "Homo,"}, {"end": "02:10:45", "start": "02:10:42", "text": "no judgment. Is now a good time to"}, {"end": "02:10:48", "start": "02:10:44", "text": "revisit Project Blue Beam? I've already"}, {"end": "02:10:50", "start": "02:10:45", "text": "done two on it."}, {"end": "02:10:53", "start": "02:10:48", "text": "But if there's more,"}, {"end": "02:10:55", "start": "02:10:50", "text": "I'll do it. All right. More Anunnaki"}, {"end": "02:10:57", "start": "02:10:53", "text": "currency. Hi from So those are Yeah. Uh,"}, {"end": "02:10:59", "start": "02:10:55", "text": "hi from Japan. Love the stories. Hate"}, {"end": "02:11:02", "start": "02:10:57", "text": "the striped versions. He plans on"}, {"end": "02:11:03", "start": "02:10:59", "text": "ripping into the Illuminati even harder."}, {"end": "02:11:06", "start": "02:11:02", "text": "I don't really like the striped ones"}, {"end": "02:11:07", "start": "02:11:03", "text": "either. Um, but we're not going to we're"}, {"end": "02:11:09", "start": "02:11:06", "text": "not going to be doing too many of those."}, {"end": "02:11:11", "start": "02:11:07", "text": "That was just a six-month thing to just"}, {"end": "02:11:13", "start": "02:11:09", "text": "get more podcast content out there"}, {"end": "02:11:16", "start": "02:11:11", "text": "because the striped ones are just meant"}, {"end": "02:11:18", "start": "02:11:13", "text": "really to be listened to. Um, so we"}, {"end": "02:11:20", "start": "02:11:16", "text": "don't, but we I mean we put a lot of"}, {"end": "02:11:21", "start": "02:11:18", "text": "effort into it into the videos. They're"}, {"end": "02:11:23", "start": "02:11:20", "text": "still fun to watch. The only difference"}, {"end": "02:11:24", "start": "02:11:21", "text": "is there's they're just a little darker,"}, {"end": "02:11:28", "start": "02:11:23", "text": "a little more serious. There's no heckle"}, {"end": "02:11:30", "start": "02:11:24", "text": "fish, but we're mostly going to stick to"}, {"end": "02:11:33", "start": "02:11:28", "text": "just the standard format. Now, we we did"}, {"end": "02:11:36", "start": "02:11:30", "text": "the content. We did the experiment. The"}, {"end": "02:11:38", "start": "02:11:33", "text": "experiment worked. I don't know where we"}, {"end": "02:11:42", "start": "02:11:36", "text": "are in the YouTube podcast charts, but I"}, {"end": "02:11:44", "start": "02:11:38", "text": "believe we're number six this week,"}, {"end": "02:11:46", "start": "02:11:42", "text": "right? I think we're number six. I think"}, {"end": "02:11:47", "start": "02:11:44", "text": "so."}, {"end": "02:11:49", "start": "02:11:46", "text": "I mean, I hope so because I taunted Sean"}, {"end": "02:11:53", "start": "02:11:47", "text": "Ryan's producer and said, \"We're too"}, {"end": "02:11:53", "start": "02:11:49", "text": "ahead of you.\" I hope I'm right."}, {"end": "02:11:56", "start": "02:11:53", "text": "I said, \"You guys doing okay down there?"}, {"end": "02:11:57", "start": "02:11:54", "text": "You"}, {"end": "02:12:01", "start": "02:11:56", "text": "remember softening? How are you guys"}, {"end": "02:12:02", "start": "02:11:57", "text": "doing? You all right?\" You're so bad."}, {"end": "02:12:04", "start": "02:12:01", "text": "I didn't say that to him, but I do talk"}, {"end": "02:12:07", "start": "02:12:02", "text": "to him because he's a he's a big fan of"}, {"end": "02:12:11", "start": "02:12:04", "text": "the channel and and if you look into his"}, {"end": "02:12:14", "start": "02:12:07", "text": "numbers, oh my god. Oh my god."}, {"end": "02:12:17", "start": "02:12:11", "text": "Sean Ryan gets gets Rogan numbers on on"}, {"end": "02:12:20", "start": "02:12:14", "text": "this platform."}, {"end": "02:12:24", "start": "02:12:17", "text": "He really does."}, {"end": "02:12:24", "start": "02:12:20", "text": "Elvis, thanks for the super sticker."}, {"end": "02:12:29", "start": "02:12:25", "text": "All right. What's going on in the"}, {"end": "02:12:31", "start": "02:12:26", "text": "non-paid chat?"}, {"end": "02:12:32", "start": "02:12:29", "text": "Chris Hudson likes the striped episodes."}, {"end": "02:12:36", "start": "02:12:31", "text": "Lots of great content. I'm glad you do."}, {"end": "02:12:38", "start": "02:12:32", "text": "I put just as much effort into those."}, {"end": "02:12:41", "start": "02:12:36", "text": "Stone her number one in our hearts."}, {"end": "02:12:44", "start": "02:12:38", "text": "Appreciate that."}, {"end": "02:12:45", "start": "02:12:41", "text": "You know, if I think we can we might I"}, {"end": "02:12:48", "start": "02:12:44", "text": "bet we cracked the Spotify chart this"}, {"end": "02:12:50", "start": "02:12:45", "text": "week because we're 102 and we've been"}, {"end": "02:12:53", "start": "02:12:48", "text": "slowly creeping up. We're 102 on"}, {"end": "02:12:55", "start": "02:12:50", "text": "Spotify, but at one point we were number"}, {"end": "02:12:56", "start": "02:12:53", "text": "16 on Spotify."}, {"end": "02:12:58", "start": "02:12:55", "text": "We're up there."}, {"end": "02:13:01", "start": "02:12:56", "text": "But what's interesting is when we were"}, {"end": "02:13:04", "start": "02:12:58", "text": "16, we may even been top 10. We were"}, {"end": "02:13:06", "start": "02:13:01", "text": "getting about 50,000 60,000 downloads a"}, {"end": "02:13:09", "start": "02:13:04", "text": "day, which is good for a podcast. Now"}, {"end": "02:13:13", "start": "02:13:06", "text": "we're getting 80,000 and we can't crack"}, {"end": "02:13:16", "start": "02:13:09", "text": "crack the top 200 top 150 at 80,000."}, {"end": "02:13:18", "start": "02:13:13", "text": "There was one week where uh we were"}, {"end": "02:13:21", "start": "02:13:16", "text": "getting 110 112,000 downloads a day and"}, {"end": "02:13:23", "start": "02:13:18", "text": "still couldn't crack it. Still still"}, {"end": "02:13:26", "start": "02:13:21", "text": "couldn't crack it. So we're about 102 on"}, {"end": "02:13:27", "start": "02:13:23", "text": "Spotify and about 200 on Apple, but I"}, {"end": "02:13:29", "start": "02:13:26", "text": "think we're on the Spotify trending"}, {"end": "02:13:32", "start": "02:13:27", "text": "charts and have been for a while, which"}, {"end": "02:13:34", "start": "02:13:29", "text": "is fun."}, {"end": "02:13:38", "start": "02:13:32", "text": "I just wanted to get a deal out of it"}, {"end": "02:13:40", "start": "02:13:34", "text": "and we I mean we might have one."}, {"end": "02:13:42", "start": "02:13:38", "text": "Jonathan Underwood is back episode about"}, {"end": "02:13:44", "start": "02:13:40", "text": "Chimney Park in Cington. Victoria, do me"}, {"end": "02:13:45", "start": "02:13:42", "text": "a favor. Write down Chimney Park in"}, {"end": "02:13:47", "start": "02:13:44", "text": "Cington. Let's find out what he's"}, {"end": "02:13:48", "start": "02:13:45", "text": "talking about. I mean because"}, {"end": "02:13:52", "start": "02:13:47", "text": "$2."}, {"end": "02:13:54", "start": "02:13:48", "text": "I mean this time he went for 20 Sawbuck"}, {"end": "02:13:56", "start": "02:13:52", "text": "in the till. So there must be something"}, {"end": "02:13:58", "start": "02:13:54", "text": "down there."}, {"end": "02:14:00", "start": "02:13:56", "text": "Daryl Sutter's favorite cow. There's"}, {"end": "02:14:03", "start": "02:13:58", "text": "everybody's favorite cow. Best channel"}, {"end": "02:14:03", "start": "02:14:00", "text": "ever. Appreciate that."}, {"end": "02:14:10", "start": "02:14:03", "text": "CERN is cool. The Zeppto universe."}, {"end": "02:14:13", "start": "02:14:08", "text": "Cool."}, {"end": "02:14:15", "start": "02:14:10", "text": "Looking at that."}, {"end": "02:14:17", "start": "02:14:13", "text": "There's Bookie. Hey AJ GF. I love the"}, {"end": "02:14:18", "start": "02:14:15", "text": "show. Her. Oh, girlfriend. I love the"}, {"end": "02:14:20", "start": "02:14:17", "text": "show. Her not as much without"}, {"end": "02:14:22", "start": "02:14:18", "text": "hecklefish. I know the striped episodes."}, {"end": "02:14:23", "start": "02:14:20", "text": "Uh, got some stickers and go Heckish."}, {"end": "02:14:26", "start": "02:14:22", "text": "Love them. Thanks for what you do."}, {"end": "02:14:28", "start": "02:14:23", "text": "You're very welcome. Stop laughing,"}, {"end": "02:14:31", "start": "02:14:26", "text": "Victoria."}, {"end": "02:14:33", "start": "02:14:28", "text": "Just It's just what he said."}, {"end": "02:14:35", "start": "02:14:31", "text": "Love the show. Keep it coming. Lizard"}, {"end": "02:14:39", "start": "02:14:33", "text": "people rule."}, {"end": "02:14:39", "start": "02:14:35", "text": "Sorry. Uh uh. No."}, {"end": "02:14:49", "start": "02:14:44", "text": "Technically, they are the rulers."}, {"end": "02:14:52", "start": "02:14:46", "text": "Oh, there's no question about it."}, {"end": "02:14:55", "start": "02:14:49", "text": "Is it saying and no stripes?"}, {"end": "02:14:57", "start": "02:14:52", "text": "Jalapeno. Jalapeno. Charizo. Number one."}, {"end": "02:14:59", "start": "02:14:55", "text": "That's making me hungry. Your username"}, {"end": "02:15:00", "start": "02:14:57", "text": "there."}, {"end": "02:15:02", "start": "02:14:59", "text": "Avatar guy, could you check out a"}, {"end": "02:15:05", "start": "02:15:00", "text": "Canadian classic Falcon Lake incident?"}, {"end": "02:15:05", "start": "02:15:02", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:15:13", "start": "02:15:08", "text": "Oh, Stoner, you got some crazy chats in"}, {"end": "02:15:15", "start": "02:15:11", "text": "there."}, {"end": "02:15:16", "start": "02:15:13", "text": "I mean, the chat the chat gets gets"}, {"end": "02:15:18", "start": "02:15:15", "text": "wild."}, {"end": "02:15:20", "start": "02:15:16", "text": "No."}, {"end": "02:15:24", "start": "02:15:18", "text": "Um, everyone's just kind of talking"}, {"end": "02:15:25", "start": "02:15:20", "text": "amongst themselves, which is fine."}, {"end": "02:15:26", "start": "02:15:24", "text": "Uh, Ron says, \"Love the channel. Got"}, {"end": "02:15:28", "start": "02:15:25", "text": "sick. Had to cut back on everything."}, {"end": "02:15:29", "start": "02:15:26", "text": "What's the best way to join again?\" and"}, {"end": "02:15:31", "start": "02:15:28", "text": "Patreon, YouTube. Yeah, I'm that broke."}, {"end": "02:15:33", "start": "02:15:29", "text": "Stay healthy out there. OMG, it dents"}, {"end": "02:15:37", "start": "02:15:31", "text": "the budget. Shaking my head. Uh Patreon."}, {"end": "02:15:40", "start": "02:15:33", "text": "Do Patreon, Ron, if you had to pick one."}, {"end": "02:15:43", "start": "02:15:37", "text": "Uh they we keep most of that money. They"}, {"end": "02:15:45", "start": "02:15:40", "text": "still take a chunk. Uh but we keep more"}, {"end": "02:15:47", "start": "02:15:43", "text": "of it than YouTube lets us keep. Plus,"}, {"end": "02:15:51", "start": "02:15:45", "text": "you get more perks. a Patreon member get"}, {"end": "02:15:51", "start": "02:15:47", "text": "you get all kinds of perks."}, {"end": "02:16:00", "start": "02:15:57", "text": "Like you get YouTube merch that's not"}, {"end": "02:16:02", "start": "02:15:59", "text": "available to other members. You get to"}, {"end": "02:16:04", "start": "02:16:00", "text": "see the videos early with no"}, {"end": "02:16:07", "start": "02:16:02", "text": "commercials. You get the podcasts early,"}, {"end": "02:16:09", "start": "02:16:04", "text": "no commercials, private live streams"}, {"end": "02:16:12", "start": "02:16:07", "text": "like we do. Uh we did one just before"}, {"end": "02:16:14", "start": "02:16:09", "text": "the premiere just like old times. We try"}, {"end": "02:16:16", "start": "02:16:12", "text": "to do two a week and we'll probably do"}, {"end": "02:16:17", "start": "02:16:14", "text": "one Friday or tomorrow. It's probably"}, {"end": "02:16:17", "start": "02:16:16", "text": "Saturday morning, right?"}, {"end": "02:16:18", "start": "02:16:17", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:16:21", "start": "02:16:17", "text": "Victoria."}, {"end": "02:16:21", "start": "02:16:18", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:16:26", "start": "02:16:22", "text": "So"}, {"end": "02:16:28", "start": "02:16:24", "text": "over here,"}, {"end": "02:16:30", "start": "02:16:26", "text": "Patreon members, you get you get the"}, {"end": "02:16:33", "start": "02:16:28", "text": "secret passcode. You can go in there and"}, {"end": "02:16:35", "start": "02:16:30", "text": "get stuff that only Patreon members get."}, {"end": "02:16:37", "start": "02:16:33", "text": "A lot of it, it's just really close out"}, {"end": "02:16:39", "start": "02:16:35", "text": "stuff that we can't sell. Just we just"}, {"end": "02:16:41", "start": "02:16:37", "text": "throw it in there. There's nothing. It's"}, {"end": "02:16:42", "start": "02:16:39", "text": "just like it's just like the discounted"}, {"end": "02:16:44", "start": "02:16:41", "text": "stuff,"}, {"end": "02:16:47", "start": "02:16:42", "text": "you know? It's all it's all it's like"}, {"end": "02:16:49", "start": "02:16:44", "text": "old silver rare ashtrays that we just"}, {"end": "02:16:51", "start": "02:16:47", "text": "can't get rid of. So, we're like, h, put"}, {"end": "02:16:54", "start": "02:16:49", "text": "it on the Patreon. They'll buy it."}, {"end": "02:16:57", "start": "02:16:51", "text": "That's really all it is. So, might not"}, {"end": "02:16:57", "start": "02:16:54", "text": "be worth it."}, {"end": "02:17:02", "start": "02:16:58", "text": "Victoria shaking his head, shaking her"}, {"end": "02:17:04", "start": "02:16:59", "text": "head because there's good stuff on"}, {"end": "02:17:07", "start": "02:17:02", "text": "there. There really is. A lot of lot of"}, {"end": "02:17:09", "start": "02:17:04", "text": "sign stuff is on there. get I get"}, {"end": "02:17:12", "start": "02:17:07", "text": "signature elbow. Sometimes I come to the"}, {"end": "02:17:14", "start": "02:17:09", "text": "office and I go, \"Oh no, G must have did"}, {"end": "02:17:18", "start": "02:17:12", "text": "a discount on posters. That's a lot of"}, {"end": "02:17:18", "start": "02:17:14", "text": "posters to sign.\""}, {"end": "02:17:21", "start": "02:17:18", "text": "But but but someone said somewhere, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "02:17:24", "start": "02:17:20", "text": "he just prints his signature and all"}, {"end": "02:17:26", "start": "02:17:21", "text": "this stuff.\" How dare you, sir? How dare"}, {"end": "02:17:30", "start": "02:17:24", "text": "you? I sit at that table with a Sharpie"}, {"end": "02:17:30", "start": "02:17:26", "text": "and I just sign and sign."}, {"end": "02:17:34", "start": "02:17:32", "text": "Uh Henry, you for $2. Hi, you love the"}, {"end": "02:17:36", "start": "02:17:33", "text": "show. What's your favorite risk?"}, {"end": "02:17:40", "start": "02:17:34", "text": "Whiskey."}, {"end": "02:17:43", "start": "02:17:36", "text": "Yes. The answer is yes."}, {"end": "02:17:46", "start": "02:17:40", "text": "All of these. All of these. Favorite."}, {"end": "02:17:49", "start": "02:17:43", "text": "Hard to say."}, {"end": "02:17:50", "start": "02:17:46", "text": "Go to is Turkey 101 because look, I'm I"}, {"end": "02:17:52", "start": "02:17:49", "text": "that's how I grew up. You know, we"}, {"end": "02:17:55", "start": "02:17:50", "text": "didn't have any money. Turkey 101. I"}, {"end": "02:17:57", "start": "02:17:52", "text": "like I have I have a couple of really"}, {"end": "02:17:58", "start": "02:17:55", "text": "expensive bourbons, but I can't tell the"}, {"end": "02:18:02", "start": "02:17:57", "text": "difference between them. My pallet's"}, {"end": "02:18:04", "start": "02:17:58", "text": "just not that refined."}, {"end": "02:18:08", "start": "02:18:02", "text": "But if I like if I was stuck with one,"}, {"end": "02:18:11", "start": "02:18:04", "text": "maybe a four roses reserve would be one"}, {"end": "02:18:13", "start": "02:18:08", "text": "because it's really smooth and easy,"}, {"end": "02:18:15", "start": "02:18:11", "text": "I would go with that."}, {"end": "02:18:16", "start": "02:18:13", "text": "It's mostly bourbon. That's how I was"}, {"end": "02:18:19", "start": "02:18:15", "text": "raised."}, {"end": "02:18:21", "start": "02:18:16", "text": "Stepdad Bill was a bourbon drinker. And"}, {"end": "02:18:24", "start": "02:18:19", "text": "the only drink I ever saw dad take was"}, {"end": "02:18:27", "start": "02:18:21", "text": "just one time that he had a Jack and"}, {"end": "02:18:27", "start": "02:18:24", "text": "Coke"}, {"end": "02:18:33", "start": "02:18:28", "text": "once."}, {"end": "02:18:33", "start": "02:18:30", "text": "once"}, {"end": "02:18:41", "start": "02:18:36", "text": "Josh had a fader someday later. Now he's"}, {"end": "02:18:43", "start": "02:18:38", "text": "just a small fry."}, {"end": "02:18:44", "start": "02:18:41", "text": "Such a good song."}, {"end": "02:18:47", "start": "02:18:43", "text": "There's a question for Victoria. When"}, {"end": "02:18:52", "start": "02:18:44", "text": "will the new challenge coins be out?"}, {"end": "02:18:53", "start": "02:18:47", "text": "It depends on how fast you sign the 500."}, {"end": "02:18:54", "start": "02:18:52", "text": "They're they're waiting for you at the"}, {"end": "02:18:57", "start": "02:18:53", "text": "office."}, {"end": "02:18:59", "start": "02:18:54", "text": "S when? I was at the office yesterday."}, {"end": "02:19:01", "start": "02:18:57", "text": "We just got them in today. And my"}, {"end": "02:19:03", "start": "02:18:59", "text": "daughter numbered them for us."}, {"end": "02:19:04", "start": "02:19:01", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:19:06", "start": "02:19:03", "text": "How many?"}, {"end": "02:19:11", "start": "02:19:04", "text": "500."}, {"end": "02:19:12", "start": "02:19:06", "text": "Okay. How do you"}, {"end": "02:19:14", "start": "02:19:11", "text": "They look great though. They look"}, {"end": "02:19:16", "start": "02:19:12", "text": "bigger. They're not right."}, {"end": "02:19:18", "start": "02:19:14", "text": "No."}, {"end": "02:19:19", "start": "02:19:16", "text": "They look great. Did Rob design these?"}, {"end": "02:19:23", "start": "02:19:18", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "02:19:26", "start": "02:19:19", "text": "We should hire that guy."}, {"end": "02:19:28", "start": "02:19:23", "text": "Vegas Brent spreading the love."}, {"end": "02:19:29", "start": "02:19:26", "text": "Stephen Tatum, thank you for the $10."}, {"end": "02:19:31", "start": "02:19:28", "text": "Yeah, I've seen probably a hundred"}, {"end": "02:19:32", "start": "02:19:29", "text": "memberships or more gifted over 24/7"}, {"end": "02:19:33", "start": "02:19:31", "text": "trying to get specific people"}, {"end": "02:19:36", "start": "02:19:32", "text": "memberships that never hit. I've done"}, {"end": "02:19:38", "start": "02:19:33", "text": "the same thing, you know, like I'll do"}, {"end": "02:19:40", "start": "02:19:36", "text": "five and five and five trying to get it"}, {"end": "02:19:41", "start": "02:19:38", "text": "to hit the right person, but I I can"}, {"end": "02:19:44", "start": "02:19:40", "text": "never get it to land. I keep throwing"}, {"end": "02:19:47", "start": "02:19:41", "text": "bricks."}, {"end": "02:19:49", "start": "02:19:44", "text": "I just I can't I can't seem to drill it."}, {"end": "02:19:50", "start": "02:19:47", "text": "Sandy, congratulations on 5 million. You"}, {"end": "02:19:52", "start": "02:19:49", "text": "always provide information, humor, and"}, {"end": "02:19:53", "start": "02:19:50", "text": "truth in your episodes. Thank you and"}, {"end": "02:19:56", "start": "02:19:52", "text": "the team for the great content. You're"}, {"end": "02:19:58", "start": "02:19:53", "text": "very welcome. I appreciate the tip,"}, {"end": "02:20:00", "start": "02:19:56", "text": "dude. Thank you for the tip. I'm saving"}, {"end": "02:20:02", "start": "02:19:58", "text": "up to build a bunker to protect me from"}, {"end": "02:20:04", "start": "02:20:00", "text": "the lizard people. They're coming to get"}, {"end": "02:20:06", "start": "02:20:02", "text": "you."}, {"end": "02:20:09", "start": "02:20:04", "text": "Richie, one nice guy. You have all the"}, {"end": "02:20:13", "start": "02:20:06", "text": "good videos you do like you always saw."}, {"end": "02:20:15", "start": "02:20:09", "text": "Oh, good videos. Totally agree."}, {"end": "02:20:15", "start": "02:20:13", "text": "Totally agree. Marcus Leonard, pretend"}, {"end": "02:20:17", "start": "02:20:15", "text": "that I love your channel. Never thought"}, {"end": "02:20:19", "start": "02:20:15", "text": "I'd find quality channel the same"}, {"end": "02:20:21", "start": "02:20:17", "text": "logical mindset and brain when listening"}, {"end": "02:20:23", "start": "02:20:19", "text": "all these very interesting topics."}, {"end": "02:20:24", "start": "02:20:21", "text": "Thanks, Marcus. Very nice of you. All"}, {"end": "02:20:28", "start": "02:20:23", "text": "right, Gina, Victoria, I'm going to let"}, {"end": "02:20:30", "start": "02:20:24", "text": "you guys um sit or go. I'll burn through"}, {"end": "02:20:33", "start": "02:20:28", "text": "a couple of super chats and we'll go"}, {"end": "02:20:38", "start": "02:20:30", "text": "till"}, {"end": "02:20:40", "start": "02:20:33", "text": "go to about 9 9:30 or so, 9:30, 9:40."}, {"end": "02:20:42", "start": "02:20:38", "text": "Make it a three-hour deal."}, {"end": "02:20:45", "start": "02:20:40", "text": "So, please hold your super chats unless"}, {"end": "02:20:48", "start": "02:20:42", "text": "you're just being kind."}, {"end": "02:20:49", "start": "02:20:45", "text": "Appreciate it. Appreciate it, Gino with"}, {"end": "02:20:54", "start": "02:20:48", "text": "the good info."}, {"end": "02:20:56", "start": "02:20:49", "text": "Uh, check him out on"}, {"end": "02:20:58", "start": "02:20:54", "text": "on vetted. I'm looking for the link. I I"}, {"end": "02:20:59", "start": "02:20:56", "text": "I don't have it. This is not I'm not"}, {"end": "02:21:01", "start": "02:20:58", "text": "prepared."}, {"end": "02:21:05", "start": "02:20:59", "text": "This live stream is so unprofessional."}, {"end": "02:21:07", "start": "02:21:01", "text": "Really? What are you even doing,"}, {"end": "02:21:08", "start": "02:21:05", "text": "Cameron? You with the NAB guys would be"}, {"end": "02:21:11", "start": "02:21:07", "text": "amazing."}, {"end": "02:21:13", "start": "02:21:08", "text": "And it' be like the National Association"}, {"end": "02:21:16", "start": "02:21:11", "text": "of Broadcasters."}, {"end": "02:21:18", "start": "02:21:13", "text": "I love that show. Yeah. Gina wants to"}, {"end": "02:21:19", "start": "02:21:16", "text": "explain who that is. Oh, Ninja and"}, {"end": "02:21:22", "start": "02:21:18", "text": "Butterflies. Ninja butterfly. All right,"}, {"end": "02:21:25", "start": "02:21:19", "text": "there you go."}, {"end": "02:21:28", "start": "02:21:22", "text": "True. After dark."}, {"end": "02:21:30", "start": "02:21:25", "text": "Ching. I appreciate the tip, human. Time"}, {"end": "02:21:33", "start": "02:21:28", "text": "you hit the tables, baby."}, {"end": "02:21:34", "start": "02:21:30", "text": "I came for the shenanigans, but stayed"}, {"end": "02:21:38", "start": "02:21:33", "text": "for the hecklefish."}, {"end": "02:21:38", "start": "02:21:34", "text": "This human knows what's up."}, {"end": "02:21:44", "start": "02:21:39", "text": "Sheeple, thank you for spreading the"}, {"end": "02:21:47", "start": "02:21:40", "text": "love. David C, thank you for the five."}, {"end": "02:21:49", "start": "02:21:44", "text": "Odd Marcus here with your real name. I"}, {"end": "02:21:51", "start": "02:21:47", "text": "rarely catch an after files live. Can't"}, {"end": "02:21:53", "start": "02:21:49", "text": "wait for the family jewels part two for"}, {"end": "02:21:55", "start": "02:21:51", "text": "100. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a"}, {"end": "02:21:56", "start": "02:21:53", "text": "lot of stuff in the family jewels. If"}, {"end": "02:21:58", "start": "02:21:55", "text": "you didn't see that episode, that's the"}, {"end": "02:22:01", "start": "02:21:56", "text": "CIA document dump that happened a few"}, {"end": "02:22:05", "start": "02:21:58", "text": "years ago. Yeah, it's almost 700 pages"}, {"end": "02:22:09", "start": "02:22:01", "text": "of shady stuff, crimes, assassinations."}, {"end": "02:22:11", "start": "02:22:05", "text": "They just quietly just just just dropped"}, {"end": "02:22:13", "start": "02:22:09", "text": "it on the website in the reading room"}, {"end": "02:22:15", "start": "02:22:11", "text": "and thought no one would notice when of"}, {"end": "02:22:16", "start": "02:22:13", "text": "course everybody noticed. So that so"}, {"end": "02:22:18", "start": "02:22:15", "text": "they called it internally the family"}, {"end": "02:22:20", "start": "02:22:16", "text": "jewels because there's so much stuff in"}, {"end": "02:22:23", "start": "02:22:18", "text": "there. So yeah, we just I only think I"}, {"end": "02:22:27", "start": "02:22:20", "text": "only did maybe two maybe three stories."}, {"end": "02:22:29", "start": "02:22:23", "text": "It's 700 pages. It's full of stuff."}, {"end": "02:22:32", "start": "02:22:27", "text": "Side note, everyone fs up my last name,"}, {"end": "02:22:35", "start": "02:22:29", "text": "but we pronounce it cook. Uh I was going"}, {"end": "02:22:36", "start": "02:22:32", "text": "to I was going to take a go at it. I was"}, {"end": "02:22:38", "start": "02:22:35", "text": "going to go with like I was going to go"}, {"end": "02:22:40", "start": "02:22:36", "text": "with cotch,"}, {"end": "02:22:42", "start": "02:22:38", "text": "but I'm like if I get it wrong, it'll"}, {"end": "02:22:44", "start": "02:22:40", "text": "annoy him because everyone does that."}, {"end": "02:22:48", "start": "02:22:42", "text": "Jerk says, \"Probably hostile is how I"}, {"end": "02:22:52", "start": "02:22:44", "text": "describe most post Chipotle flatulence.\""}, {"end": "02:22:57", "start": "02:22:48", "text": "Um, no hate on Chipotle. I guess I love"}, {"end": "02:22:57", "start": "02:22:52", "text": "me I I love me a a taco bowl."}, {"end": "02:23:03", "start": "02:22:58", "text": "Crispy bacon is in a camp simulation"}, {"end": "02:23:03", "start": "02:23:00", "text": "theory."}, {"end": "02:23:10", "start": "02:23:05", "text": "It's the doomsday machine from Star"}, {"end": "02:23:12", "start": "02:23:07", "text": "Trek. I hope not. Uh, hungry to go. Yes,"}, {"end": "02:23:14", "start": "02:23:10", "text": "the mana episode is coming. It is on the"}, {"end": "02:23:18", "start": "02:23:12", "text": "list. I know I say it's coming a lot and"}, {"end": "02:23:21", "start": "02:23:14", "text": "sometimes that means it's number 115 on"}, {"end": "02:23:23", "start": "02:23:18", "text": "the list. People ask me, you know,"}, {"end": "02:23:25", "start": "02:23:21", "text": "you're running out of topics. No,"}, {"end": "02:23:27", "start": "02:23:23", "text": "absolutely not."}, {"end": "02:23:29", "start": "02:23:25", "text": "But Vanas is actually on the list high"}, {"end": "02:23:32", "start": "02:23:27", "text": "on the list because I'm fascinated by"}, {"end": "02:23:34", "start": "02:23:29", "text": "them and a lot of the old Indian"}, {"end": "02:23:36", "start": "02:23:32", "text": "legends. Fascinated by them. The uh the"}, {"end": "02:23:38", "start": "02:23:34", "text": "nuclear the nuclear war that's mentioned"}, {"end": "02:23:41", "start": "02:23:36", "text": "in the Mabarata. Fascinated by that"}, {"end": "02:23:43", "start": "02:23:38", "text": "stuff. I think we covered that. I'm not"}, {"end": "02:23:46", "start": "02:23:41", "text": "sure."}, {"end": "02:23:48", "start": "02:23:43", "text": "Wyatt for 20. Personally, I think the if"}, {"end": "02:23:50", "start": "02:23:46", "text": "this asteroid is genuine alien,"}, {"end": "02:23:51", "start": "02:23:48", "text": "genuinely alien, they're no different."}, {"end": "02:23:53", "start": "02:23:50", "text": "They're no different than us. Looking"}, {"end": "02:23:54", "start": "02:23:51", "text": "for life and planning on opening up"}, {"end": "02:23:55", "start": "02:23:53", "text": "communication to settle the big"}, {"end": "02:23:58", "start": "02:23:54", "text": "question. Are we alone? Due to similar"}, {"end": "02:24:01", "start": "02:23:55", "text": "life tech evolution. I hope you're"}, {"end": "02:24:01", "start": "02:23:58", "text": "right."}, {"end": "02:24:07", "start": "02:24:02", "text": "I don't think you are, but I hope so."}, {"end": "02:24:08", "start": "02:24:05", "text": "Like I said, I'm a dark forest guy. If"}, {"end": "02:24:12", "start": "02:24:07", "text": "you don't know what that is, quick"}, {"end": "02:24:15", "start": "02:24:08", "text": "recap. dark forest theory crums uh from"}, {"end": "02:24:17", "start": "02:24:12", "text": "the author of the threebody problem I"}, {"end": "02:24:18", "start": "02:24:15", "text": "think is the right way to pronounce it"}, {"end": "02:24:20", "start": "02:24:17", "text": "and he says that the universe is like a"}, {"end": "02:24:23", "start": "02:24:18", "text": "dark forest full of hunters and"}, {"end": "02:24:24", "start": "02:24:20", "text": "predators and everyone stays quiet"}, {"end": "02:24:26", "start": "02:24:23", "text": "because the first person to stick their"}, {"end": "02:24:27", "start": "02:24:24", "text": "head up and gets it chopped off because"}, {"end": "02:24:29", "start": "02:24:26", "text": "you don't want competitors in your"}, {"end": "02:24:31", "start": "02:24:27", "text": "neighborhood. If someone else's"}, {"end": "02:24:33", "start": "02:24:29", "text": "technology is accelerating, you run the"}, {"end": "02:24:37", "start": "02:24:31", "text": "risk that they can accelerate, catch up"}, {"end": "02:24:40", "start": "02:24:33", "text": "to you and maybe exceed yours. They need"}, {"end": "02:24:41", "start": "02:24:37", "text": "resources. they know you're there. Like,"}, {"end": "02:24:43", "start": "02:24:40", "text": "let's say you have a planet full of"}, {"end": "02:24:47", "start": "02:24:41", "text": "liquid water that has a very consistent"}, {"end": "02:24:49", "start": "02:24:43", "text": "climate that has a very circular"}, {"end": "02:24:53", "start": "02:24:47", "text": "consistent orbit with a stable moon. I"}, {"end": "02:24:54", "start": "02:24:49", "text": "mean, we have lots of goodies here."}, {"end": "02:24:56", "start": "02:24:53", "text": "So, you'd hope that the aliens are like"}, {"end": "02:24:57", "start": "02:24:54", "text": "Star Trek and they're here and they just"}, {"end": "02:25:00", "start": "02:24:56", "text": "want to make contact and be nice. Or"}, {"end": "02:25:02", "start": "02:24:57", "text": "they could say, \"There's a lot of salt"}, {"end": "02:25:06", "start": "02:25:00", "text": "water here. We can make a lot of energy"}, {"end": "02:25:08", "start": "02:25:02", "text": "here.\" Well, there's life on the planet."}, {"end": "02:25:11", "start": "02:25:06", "text": "What kind of life do they I mean, do"}, {"end": "02:25:13", "start": "02:25:08", "text": "they travel the the the to other"}, {"end": "02:25:16", "start": "02:25:11", "text": "planets? No. No. They they pretend they"}, {"end": "02:25:19", "start": "02:25:13", "text": "went to the moon. That's not life."}, {"end": "02:25:19", "start": "02:25:16", "text": "That's bugs."}, {"end": "02:25:25", "start": "02:25:21", "text": "Diligent escape. Wondering who does"}, {"end": "02:25:28", "start": "02:25:24", "text": "Hecklefish's voice. Victoria, do you"}, {"end": "02:25:30", "start": "02:25:25", "text": "know who does Hecklefish's voice?"}, {"end": "02:25:33", "start": "02:25:28", "text": "Hecklefish does his own voice. Who does"}, {"end": "02:25:33", "start": "02:25:30", "text": "yours?"}, {"end": "02:25:40", "start": "02:25:35", "text": "I have not researched sonic inflation,"}, {"end": "02:25:43", "start": "02:25:38", "text": "but I'm intrigued by it. Sonic"}, {"end": "02:25:43", "start": "02:25:40", "text": "inflation."}, {"end": "02:25:57", "start": "02:25:53", "text": "Sonication can refer to two distinct"}, {"end": "02:25:59", "start": "02:25:54", "text": "topics. A musical track. That's probably"}, {"end": "02:26:02", "start": "02:25:57", "text": "not what you mean. Or uh and a meme"}, {"end": "02:26:03", "start": "02:25:59", "text": "about an economic concept."}, {"end": "02:26:06", "start": "02:26:02", "text": "The meme originated from a post on"}, {"end": "02:26:08", "start": "02:26:03", "text": "Reddit. Oh boy, here we go. The meme"}, {"end": "02:26:09", "start": "02:26:06", "text": "refers to a fictional economic concept,"}, {"end": "02:26:11", "start": "02:26:08", "text": "which means what? It's real. Often"}, {"end": "02:26:12", "start": "02:26:09", "text": "linked to the idea of controversial and"}, {"end": "02:26:14", "start": "02:26:11", "text": "censored topic. Oh, here we go. The meme"}, {"end": "02:26:15", "start": "02:26:12", "text": "suggests the elite are hiding their"}, {"end": "02:26:17", "start": "02:26:14", "text": "economic mismanagement through the"}, {"end": "02:26:19", "start": "02:26:15", "text": "concept of sonic inflation. It's often"}, {"end": "02:26:21", "start": "02:26:17", "text": "associated with terms like um the foodic"}, {"end": "02:26:22", "start": "02:26:19", "text": "inflation rule 34, which likely"}, {"end": "02:26:24", "start": "02:26:21", "text": "references specific online community's"}, {"end": "02:26:26", "start": "02:26:22", "text": "interpretation of the meme. The meme"}, {"end": "02:26:27", "start": "02:26:24", "text": "also humorously points to the idea that"}, {"end": "02:26:31", "start": "02:26:26", "text": "the federal unemployment tax association"}, {"end": "02:26:32", "start": "02:26:27", "text": "food has created a new law about it. I"}, {"end": "02:26:36", "start": "02:26:31", "text": "don't know if this is a WOS topic, but I"}, {"end": "02:26:36", "start": "02:26:32", "text": "am interested in this."}, {"end": "02:26:40", "start": "02:26:36", "text": "Plenty of people on Reddit are."}, {"end": "02:26:47", "start": "02:26:42", "text": "I believe that's the hedgehog."}, {"end": "02:26:49", "start": "02:26:46", "text": "I'm I'm going to look at I'm going to go"}, {"end": "02:26:51", "start": "02:26:47", "text": "down a rabbit hole. I And some which I"}, {"end": "02:26:52", "start": "02:26:49", "text": "sometimes do on the after files when"}, {"end": "02:26:54", "start": "02:26:51", "text": "someone recommends something"}, {"end": "02:26:55", "start": "02:26:52", "text": "interesting. I realized suddenly that"}, {"end": "02:26:57", "start": "02:26:54", "text": "I've been reading for like 90 seconds"}, {"end": "02:26:58", "start": "02:26:55", "text": "straight without saying anything because"}, {"end": "02:27:01", "start": "02:26:57", "text": "it's such an interesting topic. So, I'm"}, {"end": "02:27:01", "start": "02:26:58", "text": "going to look into that."}, {"end": "02:27:12", "start": "02:27:06", "text": "Oh, but that's $99. I didn't even notice"}, {"end": "02:27:12", "start": "02:27:08", "text": "that. I appreciate that's very generous."}, {"end": "02:27:17", "start": "02:27:13", "text": "Katy Martin for 100 Canadian"}, {"end": "02:27:23", "start": "02:27:20", "text": "lao."}, {"end": "02:27:29", "start": "02:27:23", "text": "Fish really need some money. I need to"}, {"end": "02:27:32", "start": "02:27:26", "text": "buy some stuff. Fish really need some"}, {"end": "02:27:34", "start": "02:27:29", "text": "money. YouTube don't pay enough. Fish"}, {"end": "02:27:36", "start": "02:27:32", "text": "really need some money. So click the"}, {"end": "02:27:40", "start": "02:27:34", "text": "super chat"}, {"end": "02:27:40", "start": "02:27:36", "text": "like that."}, {"end": "02:27:45", "start": "02:27:40", "text": "Hey Wal team and community. Much love"}, {"end": "02:27:48", "start": "02:27:42", "text": "from Canada. As an exanadian forces, I"}, {"end": "02:27:51", "start": "02:27:45", "text": "really want disclosure. Me too. Thank"}, {"end": "02:27:51", "start": "02:27:48", "text": "you for your service."}, {"end": "02:27:56", "start": "02:27:52", "text": "I think you guys got the best snipers on"}, {"end": "02:27:58", "start": "02:27:54", "text": "the planet up there,"}, {"end": "02:28:00", "start": "02:27:56", "text": "right? Is Canadians still hold the"}, {"end": "02:28:01", "start": "02:27:58", "text": "record. You would know, Sandy, Canadians"}, {"end": "02:28:03", "start": "02:28:00", "text": "still hold the record for the longest k"}, {"end": "02:28:05", "start": "02:28:01", "text": "longest kill."}, {"end": "02:28:07", "start": "02:28:03", "text": "I don't know how they train you guys up"}, {"end": "02:28:10", "start": "02:28:05", "text": "there,"}, {"end": "02:28:12", "start": "02:28:07", "text": "but Canadians shoot for distance."}, {"end": "02:28:13", "start": "02:28:10", "text": "That's like a goal from behind the blue"}, {"end": "02:28:17", "start": "02:28:12", "text": "line. You know what I'm talking about."}, {"end": "02:28:17", "start": "02:28:13", "text": "I'm speaking Canadian right now."}, {"end": "02:28:22", "start": "02:28:19", "text": "Steve says,"}, {"end": "02:28:28", "start": "02:28:24", "text": "\"Thank you for the $2.\" Jar goes back"}, {"end": "02:28:30", "start": "02:28:26", "text": "believe he's not 100% your cup of tea"}, {"end": "02:28:31", "start": "02:28:28", "text": "but Mr. Ballin rolled out a new format"}, {"end": "02:28:32", "start": "02:28:30", "text": "where he sits down with storytellers."}, {"end": "02:28:34", "start": "02:28:31", "text": "You could both think that it would be"}, {"end": "02:28:37", "start": "02:28:32", "text": "crazy crossover collab. I like Mr."}, {"end": "02:28:39", "start": "02:28:34", "text": "Ballin and I like John personally. You"}, {"end": "02:28:41", "start": "02:28:37", "text": "he raises a lot of money for vets. I"}, {"end": "02:28:43", "start": "02:28:39", "text": "like that."}, {"end": "02:28:45", "start": "02:28:41", "text": "Um I've never met him but I hear he's a"}, {"end": "02:28:46", "start": "02:28:43", "text": "good guy and the interviews I've seen"}, {"end": "02:28:49", "start": "02:28:45", "text": "with him before he was famous. He looks"}, {"end": "02:28:52", "start": "02:28:46", "text": "like a good guy. I don't really do"}, {"end": "02:28:54", "start": "02:28:49", "text": "collabs. I don't think he does. Um, we"}, {"end": "02:28:56", "start": "02:28:52", "text": "had the same manager for a while, so"}, {"end": "02:28:58", "start": "02:28:54", "text": "it's it's doable. I'm planning the same"}, {"end": "02:29:00", "start": "02:28:56", "text": "thing where uh we'll also sit down with"}, {"end": "02:29:02", "start": "02:28:58", "text": "people, not necessarily storytellers,"}, {"end": "02:29:06", "start": "02:29:00", "text": "but just a podcast format, try to have"}, {"end": "02:29:08", "start": "02:29:02", "text": "interesting conversations. Um,"}, {"end": "02:29:12", "start": "02:29:06", "text": "but like I said, I haven't been invited."}, {"end": "02:29:12", "start": "02:29:08", "text": "If John invites me, I would go."}, {"end": "02:29:19", "start": "02:29:15", "text": "AJ"}, {"end": "02:29:23", "start": "02:29:17", "text": "Grande"}, {"end": "02:29:27", "start": "02:29:19", "text": "says missed after 5 million. AJ, we and"}, {"end": "02:29:31", "start": "02:29:23", "text": "the town in the big garbage with the"}, {"end": "02:29:31", "start": "02:29:27", "text": "fire made fire."}, {"end": "02:29:38", "start": "02:29:32", "text": "Is that about right? Sounds good."}, {"end": "02:29:45", "start": "02:29:39", "text": "Where my Spanish speakers at? Uh, we're"}, {"end": "02:29:47", "start": "02:29:42", "text": "in the town of uh the big garbage"}, {"end": "02:29:49", "start": "02:29:45", "text": "with the fire."}, {"end": "02:29:50", "start": "02:29:47", "text": "The sun is garbage."}, {"end": "02:29:51", "start": "02:29:49", "text": "I made"}, {"end": "02:29:54", "start": "02:29:50", "text": "with"}, {"end": "02:29:57", "start": "02:29:51", "text": "Oh, that's head jump."}, {"end": "02:29:59", "start": "02:29:54", "text": "I think I'm close. I think I'm close."}, {"end": "02:30:02", "start": "02:29:57", "text": "blew Jen's mind the other night when she"}, {"end": "02:30:04", "start": "02:29:59", "text": "she when I spoke some Latin to her"}, {"end": "02:30:07", "start": "02:30:02", "text": "because her sister got a tattoo"}, {"end": "02:30:08", "start": "02:30:04", "text": "in Latin and I went, \"Oh, it means it"}, {"end": "02:30:10", "start": "02:30:07", "text": "means this.\" And she went,"}, {"end": "02:30:11", "start": "02:30:08", "text": "\"Really?\""}, {"end": "02:30:14", "start": "02:30:10", "text": "That's what she did."}, {"end": "02:30:16", "start": "02:30:11", "text": "I spoke Latin and she went, \"Really?\""}, {"end": "02:30:20", "start": "02:30:14", "text": "And then"}, {"end": "02:30:22", "start": "02:30:16", "text": "is feces says"}, {"end": "02:30:24", "start": "02:30:20", "text": "hot and feces"}, {"end": "02:30:26", "start": "02:30:22", "text": "and"}, {"end": "02:30:29", "start": "02:30:24", "text": "oh like hot garbage."}, {"end": "02:30:30", "start": "02:30:26", "text": "Is this a a mistransation of your show"}, {"end": "02:30:32", "start": "02:30:29", "text": "is like a dumpster fire? Is that what"}, {"end": "02:30:36", "start": "02:30:30", "text": "that means?"}, {"end": "02:30:38", "start": "02:30:32", "text": "I mean, it's kind of right."}, {"end": "02:30:42", "start": "02:30:36", "text": "Muran fuego"}, {"end": "02:30:42", "start": "02:30:38", "text": "garbage on fire."}, {"end": "02:30:51", "start": "02:30:45", "text": "Uh, to the Spanish speakers,"}, {"end": "02:30:52", "start": "02:30:48", "text": "please excuse"}, {"end": "02:30:55", "start": "02:30:51", "text": "Mallerie. Hello from Tim and Mallerie."}, {"end": "02:30:59", "start": "02:30:52", "text": "Hello, Tim and Mallerie."}, {"end": "02:30:59", "start": "02:30:55", "text": "I'm assuming you're Mallerie. Hi Tim."}, {"end": "02:31:03", "start": "02:31:00", "text": "I don't know this one. We'll write it"}, {"end": "02:31:04", "start": "02:31:02", "text": "down. The Faraday. Would you guys plan"}, {"end": "02:31:07", "start": "02:31:03", "text": "on covering the biggest conspiracy of"}, {"end": "02:31:10", "start": "02:31:04", "text": "all the beast from Jackal Island? I I I"}, {"end": "02:31:13", "start": "02:31:07", "text": "don't know if you're trolling me."}, {"end": "02:31:19", "start": "02:31:10", "text": "Wouldn't be the first time."}, {"end": "02:31:19", "start": "02:31:13", "text": "Beast from Jackal. Oh, it's a thing."}, {"end": "02:31:29", "start": "02:31:23", "text": "It's a thing. The creature from Jack"}, {"end": "02:31:30", "start": "02:31:26", "text": "Jackal. This is a classic expose of the"}, {"end": "02:31:31", "start": "02:31:29", "text": "Fed has become one of the bestselling"}, {"end": "02:31:34", "start": "02:31:30", "text": "books in the category. All right, hang"}, {"end": "02:31:38", "start": "02:31:31", "text": "on. From the F Oh, the Federal Reserve."}, {"end": "02:31:38", "start": "02:31:34", "text": "Oops. Oops."}, {"end": "02:31:45", "start": "02:31:38", "text": "This It's not"}, {"end": "02:31:47", "start": "02:31:43", "text": "Could you once I mean could you just one"}, {"end": "02:31:48", "start": "02:31:45", "text": "time conduct this live stream in a"}, {"end": "02:31:50", "start": "02:31:47", "text": "professional manner?"}, {"end": "02:31:52", "start": "02:31:48", "text": "Give me a break."}, {"end": "02:31:53", "start": "02:31:50", "text": "Where does money come from? Is this is"}, {"end": "02:31:54", "start": "02:31:52", "text": "this what you're talking about? Where's"}, {"end": "02:31:55", "start": "02:31:53", "text": "money come from? And who makes it? The"}, {"end": "02:31:56", "start": "02:31:54", "text": "money magician secret unveiled. We get a"}, {"end": "02:31:57", "start": "02:31:55", "text": "close look at the mirror and smoke"}, {"end": "02:31:59", "start": "02:31:56", "text": "machines that the pulleys cogs and"}, {"end": "02:32:02", "start": "02:31:57", "text": "wheels create the grand illusion called"}, {"end": "02:32:05", "start": "02:31:59", "text": "money. Dry and boring subject. Um add to"}, {"end": "02:32:08", "start": "02:32:02", "text": "cart."}, {"end": "02:32:08", "start": "02:32:05", "text": "Add to cart."}, {"end": "02:32:16", "start": "02:32:09", "text": "So I would cover people have asked"}, {"end": "02:32:19", "start": "02:32:12", "text": "and I would I'd love to cover the Fed,"}, {"end": "02:32:21", "start": "02:32:16", "text": "but a of all I don't think that many"}, {"end": "02:32:26", "start": "02:32:19", "text": "people are interested in it. I think"}, {"end": "02:32:26", "start": "02:32:21", "text": "they want aliens. And two of all,"}, {"end": "02:32:32", "start": "02:32:26", "text": "two of all. See that face?"}, {"end": "02:32:36", "start": "02:32:30", "text": "That"}, {"end": "02:32:39", "start": "02:32:32", "text": "that face. It's risky."}, {"end": "02:32:41", "start": "02:32:36", "text": "It's risky. Like I had audit the Fed on"}, {"end": "02:32:42", "start": "02:32:39", "text": "on the first I had audit the Fed and"}, {"end": "02:32:45", "start": "02:32:41", "text": "taxes or theft and like in the first"}, {"end": "02:32:48", "start": "02:32:42", "text": "round of squeezy fishes and they were"}, {"end": "02:32:49", "start": "02:32:45", "text": "and the the girls were like, \"You want"}, {"end": "02:32:52", "start": "02:32:48", "text": "you don't want those in there.\" I was"}, {"end": "02:32:53", "start": "02:32:49", "text": "like, \"No, it's like his FRA.\" They"}, {"end": "02:32:55", "start": "02:32:52", "text": "said, \"You kind of probably don't want"}, {"end": "02:32:58", "start": "02:32:53", "text": "that in there.\" And they're probably"}, {"end": "02:33:00", "start": "02:32:55", "text": "right."}, {"end": "02:33:02", "start": "02:32:58", "text": "Uh, when are the new voice boxes coming"}, {"end": "02:33:04", "start": "02:33:00", "text": "out? New round of heckish sounds."}, {"end": "02:33:06", "start": "02:33:02", "text": "They should be here in August and up on"}, {"end": "02:33:10", "start": "02:33:04", "text": "the board in September."}, {"end": "02:33:13", "start": "02:33:06", "text": "Uh, did they gouge us on tariff war?"}, {"end": "02:33:15", "start": "02:33:10", "text": "No, we slipped through that. What was"}, {"end": "02:33:17", "start": "02:33:13", "text": "it, 90 days?"}, {"end": "02:33:19", "start": "02:33:15", "text": "It was no days. There was no problem. As"}, {"end": "02:33:21", "start": "02:33:17", "text": "soon as the media started tried to crash"}, {"end": "02:33:23", "start": "02:33:19", "text": "the economy with nonsense, I just bought"}, {"end": "02:33:25", "start": "02:33:21", "text": "into the market as I it kept going down"}, {"end": "02:33:26", "start": "02:33:23", "text": "and down and down and I just kept buying"}, {"end": "02:33:28", "start": "02:33:25", "text": "and buying. I'm not giving financial"}, {"end": "02:33:32", "start": "02:33:26", "text": "advice. I'm telling you what I did. I'm"}, {"end": "02:33:34", "start": "02:33:28", "text": "telling you what I do. Okay? If if CNN"}, {"end": "02:33:38", "start": "02:33:32", "text": "says the economy is collapsing, I'm"}, {"end": "02:33:40", "start": "02:33:34", "text": "buying the market. If if MSNBC the"}, {"end": "02:33:42", "start": "02:33:38", "text": "economy is doing great, I'm careful. I"}, {"end": "02:33:45", "start": "02:33:40", "text": "hold."}, {"end": "02:33:46", "start": "02:33:42", "text": "Um since co all all I did was hold. I"}, {"end": "02:33:50", "start": "02:33:45", "text": "didn't really do anything. I didn't do"}, {"end": "02:33:53", "start": "02:33:46", "text": "any trading, but during that during that"}, {"end": "02:33:57", "start": "02:33:50", "text": "tariff, whatever, jobs reports were up,"}, {"end": "02:33:57", "start": "02:33:53", "text": "inflation was down,"}, {"end": "02:34:03", "start": "02:33:57", "text": "people's income was up, low the the"}, {"end": "02:34:06", "start": "02:34:00", "text": "wealth gap closed. Nobody reported on"}, {"end": "02:34:08", "start": "02:34:03", "text": "it. So, all they reported was the trade"}, {"end": "02:34:11", "start": "02:34:06", "text": "war, tariff war is going to cause a"}, {"end": "02:34:12", "start": "02:34:08", "text": "recession. I was just like"}, {"end": "02:34:14", "start": "02:34:11", "text": "buying in."}, {"end": "02:34:18", "start": "02:34:12", "text": "I'm just telling you what I did because"}, {"end": "02:34:18", "start": "02:34:14", "text": "I don't trust the media."}, {"end": "02:34:21", "start": "02:34:18", "text": "Jeremy, that's Old Testament, not New I"}, {"end": "02:34:24", "start": "02:34:20", "text": "know. And the New Testament is a lot"}, {"end": "02:34:26", "start": "02:34:21", "text": "it's a lot softer. It's it's the soft"}, {"end": "02:34:29", "start": "02:34:24", "text": "core. Old Testament is the fire and the"}, {"end": "02:34:31", "start": "02:34:26", "text": "brimstone and the"}, {"end": "02:34:35", "start": "02:34:29", "text": "and the murders."}, {"end": "02:34:35", "start": "02:34:31", "text": "What's going on, boys?"}, {"end": "02:34:43", "start": "02:34:40", "text": "Yeah, I see you."}, {"end": "02:34:48", "start": "02:34:44", "text": "and the the the crack in his awakening."}, {"end": "02:34:52", "start": "02:34:47", "text": "I think he might be he's going to"}, {"end": "02:34:55", "start": "02:34:48", "text": "probably end up being 20 to 25 pounds."}, {"end": "02:34:57", "start": "02:34:52", "text": "It's almost You're stuck now, right?"}, {"end": "02:34:58", "start": "02:34:55", "text": "Yep. He's stuck. He's stuck in the in"}, {"end": "02:35:02", "start": "02:34:57", "text": "the curtain, which means the curtain's"}, {"end": "02:35:02", "start": "02:34:58", "text": "about to come down."}, {"end": "02:35:11", "start": "02:35:02", "text": "Any Mun owners in the chat?"}, {"end": "02:35:11", "start": "02:35:07", "text": "You know that main coons are different."}, {"end": "02:35:14", "start": "02:35:11", "text": "Whistle man. Did you ever experiment"}, {"end": "02:35:16", "start": "02:35:12", "text": "with the law of attraction? If so, did"}, {"end": "02:35:18", "start": "02:35:14", "text": "it come to pass? I have experimented"}, {"end": "02:35:20", "start": "02:35:16", "text": "with it. And did it come to pass? I"}, {"end": "02:35:23", "start": "02:35:18", "text": "don't know. You tell me. Look at the"}, {"end": "02:35:23", "start": "02:35:20", "text": "subscribers."}, {"end": "02:35:30", "start": "02:35:23", "text": "So yes, I you know manifesting positive"}, {"end": "02:35:33", "start": "02:35:28", "text": "things in your life I believe is is"}, {"end": "02:35:34", "start": "02:35:30", "text": "doable. It doesn't mean it's spiritual"}, {"end": "02:35:37", "start": "02:35:33", "text": "or"}, {"end": "02:35:38", "start": "02:35:34", "text": "supernatural. If manifesting positive"}, {"end": "02:35:40", "start": "02:35:37", "text": "things in your life could just mean"}, {"end": "02:35:42", "start": "02:35:38", "text": "having a positive attitude, getting up"}, {"end": "02:35:45", "start": "02:35:40", "text": "early, working hard, do, you know,"}, {"end": "02:35:48", "start": "02:35:42", "text": "putting in the hours."}, {"end": "02:35:51", "start": "02:35:45", "text": "So, I had a creator very recently attack"}, {"end": "02:35:53", "start": "02:35:48", "text": "me,"}, {"end": "02:35:55", "start": "02:35:51", "text": "saying, you know, how how did how did"}, {"end": "02:35:58", "start": "02:35:53", "text": "did you get so much more successful than"}, {"end": "02:36:01", "start": "02:35:55", "text": "I did? And my answer to him was very"}, {"end": "02:36:03", "start": "02:35:58", "text": "simple. I work harder than you."}, {"end": "02:36:06", "start": "02:36:01", "text": "He didn't like that. But I work harder"}, {"end": "02:36:08", "start": "02:36:03", "text": "than you."}, {"end": "02:36:11", "start": "02:36:06", "text": "So work hard, positive attitude, believe"}, {"end": "02:36:14", "start": "02:36:08", "text": "in yourself, it can be done. What what"}, {"end": "02:36:17", "start": "02:36:11", "text": "your mind can believe your life can"}, {"end": "02:36:19", "start": "02:36:14", "text": "achieve. Totally believe it."}, {"end": "02:36:22", "start": "02:36:17", "text": "Small all is mine. Mind is all. It's"}, {"end": "02:36:25", "start": "02:36:19", "text": "100% right. Now I do have a little bit"}, {"end": "02:36:26", "start": "02:36:22", "text": "of me that believes in manifestation and"}, {"end": "02:36:30", "start": "02:36:25", "text": "the cosmic energy because I believe in"}, {"end": "02:36:32", "start": "02:36:26", "text": "the simulation and you know so does the"}, {"end": "02:36:33", "start": "02:36:30", "text": "US government. By the way, remember they"}, {"end": "02:36:35", "start": "02:36:32", "text": "they sent people down to the Monroe"}, {"end": "02:36:37", "start": "02:36:33", "text": "Institute to actually learn how to"}, {"end": "02:36:39", "start": "02:36:35", "text": "manifest stuff. So, I think there's"}, {"end": "02:36:41", "start": "02:36:37", "text": "something to it that if you speak to the"}, {"end": "02:36:43", "start": "02:36:39", "text": "simulation, the code can kind of bend"}, {"end": "02:36:46", "start": "02:36:41", "text": "your way. I don't want to get too woo"}, {"end": "02:36:48", "start": "02:36:43", "text": "woo. The message really is stay focused,"}, {"end": "02:36:49", "start": "02:36:46", "text": "work hard, believe in yourself, and you"}, {"end": "02:36:52", "start": "02:36:48", "text": "you could really achieve whatever you"}, {"end": "02:36:52", "start": "02:36:49", "text": "want."}, {"end": "02:36:57", "start": "02:36:52", "text": "What there's no I have no business"}, {"end": "02:37:01", "start": "02:36:55", "text": "having 5 million people. I have no"}, {"end": "02:37:03", "start": "02:36:57", "text": "business having 12,000 people watching,"}, {"end": "02:37:04", "start": "02:37:01", "text": "but I believed in it. I believed that"}, {"end": "02:37:06", "start": "02:37:03", "text": "there was an audience for what I was"}, {"end": "02:37:07", "start": "02:37:04", "text": "doing. I believed that there were people"}, {"end": "02:37:09", "start": "02:37:06", "text": "out there that had the same weird sense"}, {"end": "02:37:12", "start": "02:37:07", "text": "of humor. I believe that there were"}, {"end": "02:37:13", "start": "02:37:09", "text": "people out there that would listen to a"}, {"end": "02:37:16", "start": "02:37:12", "text": "middle-aged man talk to a fish about"}, {"end": "02:37:20", "start": "02:37:13", "text": "aliens. It if I had to pitch that show,"}, {"end": "02:37:21", "start": "02:37:16", "text": "nobody would want it. Now networks want"}, {"end": "02:37:22", "start": "02:37:20", "text": "it,"}, {"end": "02:37:25", "start": "02:37:21", "text": "and it's just because I really believe"}, {"end": "02:37:27", "start": "02:37:22", "text": "in it and I think it comes across in the"}, {"end": "02:37:29", "start": "02:37:25", "text": "content. I hope it does. I hope the"}, {"end": "02:37:30", "start": "02:37:27", "text": "sincerity comes across. You know, I'm"}, {"end": "02:37:32", "start": "02:37:29", "text": "always honest with you guys. Sometimes"}, {"end": "02:37:35", "start": "02:37:30", "text": "too sometimes so honest I get in trouble"}, {"end": "02:37:38", "start": "02:37:32", "text": "with the misses,"}, {"end": "02:37:40", "start": "02:37:35", "text": "right? Sometimes a little bit See, he's"}, {"end": "02:37:40", "start": "02:37:38", "text": "a little bit too much with the honesty."}, {"end": "02:37:43", "start": "02:37:40", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "02:37:46", "start": "02:37:40", "text": "maybe. Keep a keep a couple of cards"}, {"end": "02:37:49", "start": "02:37:43", "text": "closer to the old vest."}, {"end": "02:37:49", "start": "02:37:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:37:54", "start": "02:37:49", "text": "PMC, hey, did Jen ever get done? Or are"}, {"end": "02:37:57", "start": "02:37:52", "text": "you from New York as well? Hey, you get"}, {"end": "02:38:00", "start": "02:37:54", "text": "that done? Ever get done? If I said get"}, {"end": "02:38:02", "start": "02:37:57", "text": "done, my dad would say finish."}, {"end": "02:38:04", "start": "02:38:00", "text": "Do you remember this? Hey, did you did"}, {"end": "02:38:07", "start": "02:38:02", "text": "you get that done?"}, {"end": "02:38:09", "start": "02:38:04", "text": "You mean do you get that finished?"}, {"end": "02:38:12", "start": "02:38:07", "text": "Uh, hey, did you do that thing? Yeah."}, {"end": "02:38:15", "start": "02:38:09", "text": "You mean yes. And then later on, I"}, {"end": "02:38:17", "start": "02:38:12", "text": "learned about my dad. You had no"}, {"end": "02:38:19", "start": "02:38:15", "text": "business correcting me. Hold on. Hold"}, {"end": "02:38:22", "start": "02:38:17", "text": "on."}, {"end": "02:38:23", "start": "02:38:19", "text": "You have no business correcting me."}, {"end": "02:38:26", "start": "02:38:22", "text": "I mean, he sounded more New York than"}, {"end": "02:38:28", "start": "02:38:23", "text": "either of us."}, {"end": "02:38:30", "start": "02:38:26", "text": "That was a smart guy, but it was street"}, {"end": "02:38:34", "start": "02:38:28", "text": "smarts. He knew every trivia question."}, {"end": "02:38:35", "start": "02:38:30", "text": "He knew every trivia question there was,"}, {"end": "02:38:37", "start": "02:38:34", "text": "but you couldn't chat with him about"}, {"end": "02:38:39", "start": "02:38:35", "text": "quantum theory."}, {"end": "02:38:41", "start": "02:38:37", "text": "But I mean, you asked him who about rock"}, {"end": "02:38:44", "start": "02:38:39", "text": "and roll in the 60s. You can't stump the"}, {"end": "02:38:46", "start": "02:38:41", "text": "guy. He was just one of those guys. He"}, {"end": "02:38:48", "start": "02:38:44", "text": "was just street smart. But yeah, get"}, {"end": "02:38:52", "start": "02:38:46", "text": "done. No, you say finished. Nothing gets"}, {"end": "02:38:52", "start": "02:38:48", "text": "done gets finished."}, {"end": "02:38:58", "start": "02:38:52", "text": "later on it's like you got some balls"}, {"end": "02:39:01", "start": "02:38:55", "text": "got some balls correcting me."}, {"end": "02:39:02", "start": "02:38:58", "text": "He was he was helping you uh for the"}, {"end": "02:39:06", "start": "02:39:01", "text": "future."}, {"end": "02:39:09", "start": "02:39:02", "text": "He was he was"}, {"end": "02:39:11", "start": "02:39:06", "text": "ju it's he's been dead a few years and"}, {"end": "02:39:13", "start": "02:39:09", "text": "just the other just a few days ago"}, {"end": "02:39:15", "start": "02:39:11", "text": "telling you know this you guys can"}, {"end": "02:39:18", "start": "02:39:13", "text": "relate to this if you lost loved ones"}, {"end": "02:39:19", "start": "02:39:15", "text": "recently. Uh I had a dream about him"}, {"end": "02:39:21", "start": "02:39:18", "text": "that it wasn't that stressful. It was"}, {"end": "02:39:23", "start": "02:39:19", "text": "there was a a small crisis in the dream,"}, {"end": "02:39:25", "start": "02:39:21", "text": "nothing major. And I woke up saying,"}, {"end": "02:39:28", "start": "02:39:23", "text": "\"Oh, I got to check in with dad.\" And it"}, {"end": "02:39:30", "start": "02:39:25", "text": "took that half second to then remember"}, {"end": "02:39:32", "start": "02:39:28", "text": "and it's that that and that moment"}, {"end": "02:39:34", "start": "02:39:30", "text": "sucks."}, {"end": "02:39:38", "start": "02:39:32", "text": "You know, we had that conversation just"}, {"end": "02:39:40", "start": "02:39:34", "text": "last week and that day I was out doing"}, {"end": "02:39:44", "start": "02:39:38", "text": "psionics with Patrick and something so"}, {"end": "02:39:47", "start": "02:39:40", "text": "synchronicous synchronicitous happened"}, {"end": "02:39:50", "start": "02:39:44", "text": "to me that uh is going to blow your mind"}, {"end": "02:39:52", "start": "02:39:47", "text": "that I have film of. It is going to blow"}, {"end": "02:39:53", "start": "02:39:50", "text": "your mind. I cannot"}, {"end": "02:39:57", "start": "02:39:52", "text": "share it here."}, {"end": "02:39:58", "start": "02:39:53", "text": "I It's It's too It's It's too personal."}, {"end": "02:40:00", "start": "02:39:57", "text": "I will be able to share it here, but"}, {"end": "02:40:03", "start": "02:39:58", "text": "it's so personal. I want to see your"}, {"end": "02:40:05", "start": "02:40:00", "text": "reaction to it, I think. And it's"}, {"end": "02:40:07", "start": "02:40:03", "text": "certainly uh uh good enough for"}, {"end": "02:40:08", "start": "02:40:05", "text": "everybody on on the after files to see."}, {"end": "02:40:12", "start": "02:40:07", "text": "I can't wait to show it."}, {"end": "02:40:12", "start": "02:40:08", "text": "Fair enough."}, {"end": "02:40:18", "start": "02:40:12", "text": "Synchronicity. I'll take it."}, {"end": "02:40:19", "start": "02:40:16", "text": "Uh, did she ever get done crocheting in"}, {"end": "02:40:20", "start": "02:40:18", "text": "that huge throw that looked like it"}, {"end": "02:40:21", "start": "02:40:19", "text": "could cover the neighborhood? Good"}, {"end": "02:40:24", "start": "02:40:20", "text": "seeing you all again. We called that the"}, {"end": "02:40:25", "start": "02:40:21", "text": "ham blanket cuz on the camera it just"}, {"end": "02:40:27", "start": "02:40:24", "text": "looked like she was crocheting just"}, {"end": "02:40:29", "start": "02:40:25", "text": "mounds of ham. Did she finish that? Cuz"}, {"end": "02:40:33", "start": "02:40:27", "text": "she never finishes stuff like that."}, {"end": "02:40:34", "start": "02:40:29", "text": "She did. And it's on the guest bed"}, {"end": "02:40:36", "start": "02:40:33", "text": "in my house."}, {"end": "02:40:37", "start": "02:40:34", "text": "Well, yes."}, {"end": "02:40:38", "start": "02:40:36", "text": "I don't think so because that's the bed"}, {"end": "02:40:40", "start": "02:40:37", "text": "I usually"}, {"end": "02:40:43", "start": "02:40:38", "text": "turn that into a studio, but it was it"}, {"end": "02:40:45", "start": "02:40:40", "text": "was on the guest bed before that."}, {"end": "02:40:47", "start": "02:40:43", "text": "Oh, okay."}, {"end": "02:40:49", "start": "02:40:45", "text": "I She may have just said it was finished"}, {"end": "02:40:50", "start": "02:40:47", "text": "because she It was supposed to be bigger"}, {"end": "02:40:53", "start": "02:40:49", "text": "and she just stopped."}, {"end": "02:40:57", "start": "02:40:50", "text": "Oh, it was big."}, {"end": "02:40:59", "start": "02:40:53", "text": "It's pretty big. So uncomfortable."}, {"end": "02:41:02", "start": "02:40:57", "text": "So big and heavy and chunky and"}, {"end": "02:41:02", "start": "02:40:59", "text": "uncomfortable."}, {"end": "02:41:08", "start": "02:41:03", "text": "Hybrid says, \"Ham blanket 2023 never"}, {"end": "02:41:10", "start": "02:41:05", "text": "forget. It's right up Ham blanket and"}, {"end": "02:41:13", "start": "02:41:08", "text": "SARS blanket. They're right up. They're"}, {"end": "02:41:16", "start": "02:41:10", "text": "right neck and neck for like important"}, {"end": "02:41:21", "start": "02:41:13", "text": "blankets. AIDS quilty below. That's how"}, {"end": "02:41:21", "start": "02:41:16", "text": "it that's the rank. SARS Ham AIDS"}, {"end": "02:41:25", "start": "02:41:22", "text": "blanket."}, {"end": "02:41:29", "start": "02:41:25", "text": "Sorry to hear that. Culpore lost grandpa"}, {"end": "02:41:31", "start": "02:41:27", "text": "last week."}, {"end": "02:41:35", "start": "02:41:29", "text": "Missed those"}, {"end": "02:41:36", "start": "02:41:31", "text": "SARS ham aids. Remember it."}, {"end": "02:41:39", "start": "02:41:35", "text": "Sorry about that, Monica. I didn't mean"}, {"end": "02:41:40", "start": "02:41:36", "text": "to bring you guys down. Um, but I"}, {"end": "02:41:43", "start": "02:41:39", "text": "thought it might be relatable. Certainly"}, {"end": "02:41:45", "start": "02:41:40", "text": "for people around my age, is this part"}, {"end": "02:41:46", "start": "02:41:43", "text": "of life sucks. You know, you have that"}, {"end": "02:41:48", "start": "02:41:45", "text": "part of life where you're constantly"}, {"end": "02:41:49", "start": "02:41:46", "text": "going to weddings and then you got that"}, {"end": "02:41:52", "start": "02:41:48", "text": "part where you're constantly going to"}, {"end": "02:41:54", "start": "02:41:49", "text": "funerals. You know, you get that part"}, {"end": "02:41:56", "start": "02:41:52", "text": "start to lose your parents, grandparents"}, {"end": "02:42:00", "start": "02:41:54", "text": "long gone."}, {"end": "02:42:03", "start": "02:41:56", "text": "And then from here,"}, {"end": "02:42:05", "start": "02:42:00", "text": "from here on the back nine."}, {"end": "02:42:06", "start": "02:42:03", "text": "So live it up, kids, which you won't."}, {"end": "02:42:10", "start": "02:42:05", "text": "They never do. You tell them to make the"}, {"end": "02:42:13", "start": "02:42:06", "text": "most of it. They never do."}, {"end": "02:42:14", "start": "02:42:10", "text": "The youth is wasted on the young."}, {"end": "02:42:15", "start": "02:42:13", "text": "What? Whites still. Whit White's"}, {"end": "02:42:16", "start": "02:42:14", "text": "Wonderland finally made it to an"}, {"end": "02:42:20", "start": "02:42:15", "text": "afterfall. Good to see you. Only had to"}, {"end": "02:42:22", "start": "02:42:16", "text": "work 16 plus hours to do it. Thanks, AJ"}, {"end": "02:42:23", "start": "02:42:20", "text": "Heckle and the gang. 16 hours. That's"}, {"end": "02:42:27", "start": "02:42:22", "text": "what you got to do. Got to you got to"}, {"end": "02:42:27", "start": "02:42:23", "text": "put in the time."}, {"end": "02:42:32", "start": "02:42:28", "text": "I've been known to work a 16 hour"}, {"end": "02:42:32", "start": "02:42:29", "text": "stretch."}, {"end": "02:42:39", "start": "02:42:33", "text": "I've been known to do a 30."}, {"end": "02:42:43", "start": "02:42:36", "text": "which I don't recommend"}, {"end": "02:42:45", "start": "02:42:39", "text": "and honestly overthinking it is was my"}, {"end": "02:42:49", "start": "02:42:43", "text": "problem. Lil for 50, thank you for the"}, {"end": "02:42:49", "start": "02:42:45", "text": "super sticker."}, {"end": "02:42:55", "start": "02:42:51", "text": "All right, 17 minutes. Sher McDonald, a"}, {"end": "02:42:59", "start": "02:42:54", "text": "very good question. How often you clean"}, {"end": "02:43:01", "start": "02:42:55", "text": "a heckle's bowl? I hardly ever do that."}, {"end": "02:43:02", "start": "02:42:59", "text": "Kind of do it. He kind of takes care of"}, {"end": "02:43:06", "start": "02:43:01", "text": "itself because this is vodka in there,"}, {"end": "02:43:09", "start": "02:43:02", "text": "so it's not It stays clear. So, it's"}, {"end": "02:43:12", "start": "02:43:06", "text": "really more like topping off is what you"}, {"end": "02:43:14", "start": "02:43:09", "text": "do to the bowl. Belvadier. And you can't"}, {"end": "02:43:16", "start": "02:43:12", "text": "mix anything but Belvadier. You throw"}, {"end": "02:43:18", "start": "02:43:14", "text": "like abs absolute in there. I can't even"}, {"end": "02:43:21", "start": "02:43:16", "text": "get away with it. Stolie, you can't do"}, {"end": "02:43:21", "start": "02:43:18", "text": "it."}, {"end": "02:43:25", "start": "02:43:21", "text": "Chad and Lexi on the north side obsessed"}, {"end": "02:43:26", "start": "02:43:24", "text": "and now we watch every day. Even when"}, {"end": "02:43:28", "start": "02:43:25", "text": "we've seen it already, your hard work"}, {"end": "02:43:29", "start": "02:43:26", "text": "and dedication doesn't go unnoticed. We"}, {"end": "02:43:33", "start": "02:43:28", "text": "love. Thank you so much, guys. Check out"}, {"end": "02:43:35", "start": "02:43:29", "text": "the um the 247 stream over on backstage."}, {"end": "02:43:37", "start": "02:43:33", "text": "So, 247 stream. I'm sure you know what"}, {"end": "02:43:40", "start": "02:43:35", "text": "it is, but if not, it's just backto-back"}, {"end": "02:43:42", "start": "02:43:37", "text": "episodes, but"}, {"end": "02:43:45", "start": "02:43:40", "text": "in between the episodes will be funny"}, {"end": "02:43:47", "start": "02:43:42", "text": "bits or different stuff. New content is"}, {"end": "02:43:49", "start": "02:43:45", "text": "over there."}, {"end": "02:43:51", "start": "02:43:47", "text": "Streamer, how old were you when you"}, {"end": "02:43:54", "start": "02:43:49", "text": "started the W Files?"}, {"end": "02:43:54", "start": "02:43:51", "text": "47."}, {"end": "02:43:59", "start": "02:43:56", "text": "47."}, {"end": "02:44:01", "start": "02:43:58", "text": "Yeah. I mean, I was I was in Hollywood"}, {"end": "02:44:04", "start": "02:43:59", "text": "for for like 25 years and I couldn't get"}, {"end": "02:44:06", "start": "02:44:01", "text": "anyone to take my call."}, {"end": "02:44:11", "start": "02:44:04", "text": "I was out there telling people I can do"}, {"end": "02:44:11", "start": "02:44:06", "text": "stuff if I just give me the chance."}, {"end": "02:44:18", "start": "02:44:13", "text": "Some dreams just don't work out."}, {"end": "02:44:20", "start": "02:44:16", "text": "Uh mischief for uh thank you for"}, {"end": "02:44:22", "start": "02:44:18", "text": "dropping the link in the chat to the"}, {"end": "02:44:24", "start": "02:44:20", "text": "stream. Uh after this thing closes, if"}, {"end": "02:44:26", "start": "02:44:22", "text": "you hang out, this will redirect you to"}, {"end": "02:44:27", "start": "02:44:24", "text": "the stream. You'll you'll get a"}, {"end": "02:44:30", "start": "02:44:26", "text": "notification if you want to go check it"}, {"end": "02:44:32", "start": "02:44:27", "text": "out. And uh"}, {"end": "02:44:36", "start": "02:44:30", "text": "maybe I'll even pop over there if I can"}, {"end": "02:44:36", "start": "02:44:32", "text": "if I can do that."}, {"end": "02:44:40", "start": "02:44:36", "text": "Cousin Matt making making a video about"}, {"end": "02:44:41", "start": "02:44:38", "text": "a secret town in Utah. It's inspired by"}, {"end": "02:44:44", "start": "02:44:40", "text": "you and the channel to make. Thank you"}, {"end": "02:44:46", "start": "02:44:41", "text": "so much for to send me this membership."}, {"end": "02:44:47", "start": "02:44:44", "text": "Uh who that could have been anybody. So"}, {"end": "02:44:51", "start": "02:44:46", "text": "many people gifted memberships. You guys"}, {"end": "02:44:53", "start": "02:44:47", "text": "are great. Uh"}, {"end": "02:44:55", "start": "02:44:51", "text": "yeah, I mean don't super chat, but if"}, {"end": "02:44:58", "start": "02:44:53", "text": "you if you want to spread the love, gift"}, {"end": "02:44:58", "start": "02:44:55", "text": "some memberships."}, {"end": "02:45:02", "start": "02:44:58", "text": "And don't worry about the if you're"}, {"end": "02:45:04", "start": "02:45:00", "text": "gifted a membership, you're not going to"}, {"end": "02:45:06", "start": "02:45:02", "text": "get charged or anything. I think at the"}, {"end": "02:45:08", "start": "02:45:04", "text": "end of the month, it just goes away"}, {"end": "02:45:10", "start": "02:45:06", "text": "unless you re-up, which you don't have"}, {"end": "02:45:12", "start": "02:45:08", "text": "to do. But once you become a member, you"}, {"end": "02:45:15", "start": "02:45:10", "text": "get the code of the month, which I think"}, {"end": "02:45:17", "start": "02:45:12", "text": "we're putting up tonight."}, {"end": "02:45:21", "start": "02:45:15", "text": "I'm literally doing it right this"}, {"end": "02:45:23", "start": "02:45:17", "text": "second. See, doing it this second."}, {"end": "02:45:25", "start": "02:45:21", "text": "So, I think Morgan usually steps out and"}, {"end": "02:45:29", "start": "02:45:23", "text": "gives the code."}, {"end": "02:45:29", "start": "02:45:25", "text": "She looks like she's focused."}, {"end": "02:45:35", "start": "02:45:29", "text": "Would Zuck underground bunker win versus"}, {"end": "02:45:37", "start": "02:45:31", "text": "um tsunami? I think so."}, {"end": "02:45:39", "start": "02:45:35", "text": "I think so. If you know, if the tsunami"}, {"end": "02:45:41", "start": "02:45:37", "text": "is coming, I would want to be Zuck's"}, {"end": "02:45:44", "start": "02:45:39", "text": "friend, but I don't think he's having me"}, {"end": "02:45:48", "start": "02:45:41", "text": "as a friend."}, {"end": "02:45:50", "start": "02:45:44", "text": "I don't think he's a fan. Um the I uh"}, {"end": "02:45:52", "start": "02:45:48", "text": "Hey, my dad and I love your channel. I"}, {"end": "02:45:53", "start": "02:45:50", "text": "love that. Any shot you can give Shawn"}, {"end": "02:45:55", "start": "02:45:52", "text": "and Violet a shout out? Well, there you"}, {"end": "02:45:57", "start": "02:45:53", "text": "go. Hey, Sean. Hey, Violet. I love when"}, {"end": "02:46:00", "start": "02:45:55", "text": "families are watching. I prefer when"}, {"end": "02:46:03", "start": "02:45:57", "text": "it's like adults and their older parents"}, {"end": "02:46:05", "start": "02:46:00", "text": "watching. I get I don't really like the"}, {"end": "02:46:08", "start": "02:46:03", "text": "kids watch. So many kids watch this"}, {"end": "02:46:09", "start": "02:46:05", "text": "channel and so many people tell me that"}, {"end": "02:46:12", "start": "02:46:08", "text": "they get together with like their"}, {"end": "02:46:15", "start": "02:46:09", "text": "11-year-old and watch with their whole"}, {"end": "02:46:16", "start": "02:46:12", "text": "family. Warms my heart, but I would"}, {"end": "02:46:18", "start": "02:46:15", "text": "never I wouldn't let an 11-year-old"}, {"end": "02:46:22", "start": "02:46:16", "text": "watch any of this stuff. I think this is"}, {"end": "02:46:24", "start": "02:46:18", "text": "I think we're PG-13. We're 13 plus. But"}, {"end": "02:46:26", "start": "02:46:22", "text": "we get pictures all the time from a"}, {"end": "02:46:28", "start": "02:46:24", "text": "seven-year-old. I sign stuff all the"}, {"end": "02:46:30", "start": "02:46:26", "text": "time for for little kids. The Guppies"}, {"end": "02:46:32", "start": "02:46:28", "text": "are my favorite."}, {"end": "02:46:34", "start": "02:46:30", "text": "I see Paul is dropping some more"}, {"end": "02:46:36", "start": "02:46:32", "text": "memberships. Great. Guppies are my"}, {"end": "02:46:38", "start": "02:46:34", "text": "favorite, but I some of our stuff I"}, {"end": "02:46:41", "start": "02:46:36", "text": "think is a little too heavy. Mischief."}, {"end": "02:46:41", "start": "02:46:38", "text": "My kids love the channel."}, {"end": "02:46:46", "start": "02:46:42", "text": "It's some dark stuff. But you know your"}, {"end": "02:46:50", "start": "02:46:45", "text": "kids, if you if they can handle it, they"}, {"end": "02:46:50", "start": "02:46:46", "text": "can handle it."}, {"end": "02:46:55", "start": "02:46:50", "text": "I think my mom would have let us watch"}, {"end": "02:46:57", "start": "02:46:53", "text": "this maybe past age 10 or so. I mean,"}, {"end": "02:47:00", "start": "02:46:55", "text": "she took us to see Stripes when it came"}, {"end": "02:47:03", "start": "02:46:57", "text": "out."}, {"end": "02:47:04", "start": "02:47:00", "text": "So, mom was cool. Is that funny?"}, {"end": "02:47:06", "start": "02:47:03", "text": "That's awesome."}, {"end": "02:47:09", "start": "02:47:04", "text": "We couldn't believe it. I mean, cuz it's"}, {"end": "02:47:10", "start": "02:47:06", "text": "like there's like boobs and that is it"}, {"end": "02:47:12", "start": "02:47:09", "text": "was great. I"}, {"end": "02:47:14", "start": "02:47:10", "text": "bet."}, {"end": "02:47:15", "start": "02:47:12", "text": "And I was old enough to know I'm not old"}, {"end": "02:47:17", "start": "02:47:14", "text": "enough to be here,"}, {"end": "02:47:19", "start": "02:47:15", "text": "right? Which is super fun. Like I was"}, {"end": "02:47:22", "start": "02:47:17", "text": "old enough to know I should not be here."}, {"end": "02:47:24", "start": "02:47:19", "text": "It was so much fun"}, {"end": "02:47:25", "start": "02:47:22", "text": "and it went on forever. I thought the"}, {"end": "02:47:27", "start": "02:47:24", "text": "movie was over, but then the Winnebago,"}, {"end": "02:47:30", "start": "02:47:25", "text": "they got the Winnebago going and it was"}, {"end": "02:47:33", "start": "02:47:27", "text": "just more."}, {"end": "02:47:36", "start": "02:47:30", "text": "Yeah. I mean, divorces have upsides"}, {"end": "02:47:38", "start": "02:47:33", "text": "because they try to win you over."}, {"end": "02:47:39", "start": "02:47:36", "text": "What? What's going on with you?"}, {"end": "02:47:40", "start": "02:47:38", "text": "That's"}, {"end": "02:47:44", "start": "02:47:39", "text": "They have upsides."}, {"end": "02:47:44", "start": "02:47:40", "text": "Sometimes there's a bonus."}, {"end": "02:47:48", "start": "02:47:44", "text": "I mean, when Time Bandits came out, mom"}, {"end": "02:47:50", "start": "02:47:46", "text": "took us to see Time Bandits and then dad"}, {"end": "02:47:51", "start": "02:47:48", "text": "picks us up for the weekend. He's like,"}, {"end": "02:47:52", "start": "02:47:50", "text": "\"What do you guys want to do?\" He's"}, {"end": "02:47:54", "start": "02:47:51", "text": "like, \"We want to see Time Bandits.\""}, {"end": "02:47:58", "start": "02:47:52", "text": "Like, you didn't see that? We're like,"}, {"end": "02:48:00", "start": "02:47:54", "text": "we didn't we didn't see it well as much"}, {"end": "02:48:03", "start": "02:47:58", "text": "as we wanted. We went and saw Time"}, {"end": "02:48:05", "start": "02:48:00", "text": "Bandits twice. He he never knew. We"}, {"end": "02:48:08", "start": "02:48:03", "text": "never told him."}, {"end": "02:48:09", "start": "02:48:05", "text": "Divorces have benefits. There's always a"}, {"end": "02:48:10", "start": "02:48:08", "text": "silver lining."}, {"end": "02:48:12", "start": "02:48:09", "text": "Always."}, {"end": "02:48:14", "start": "02:48:10", "text": "Love dies, but time bandits goes on"}, {"end": "02:48:17", "start": "02:48:12", "text": "forever."}, {"end": "02:48:21", "start": "02:48:14", "text": "gift keeps on giving the whole year"}, {"end": "02:48:24", "start": "02:48:17", "text": "long. Be great if the meteor is frozen"}, {"end": "02:48:28", "start": "02:48:21", "text": "poop goes behind the sun. All right, let"}, {"end": "02:48:28", "start": "02:48:24", "text": "me take a minute to read ahead."}, {"end": "02:48:32", "start": "02:48:29", "text": "Defrost behind the sun, defrost and"}, {"end": "02:48:35", "start": "02:48:30", "text": "splats on Earth with a message from Lee"}, {"end": "02:48:39", "start": "02:48:32", "text": "Evans. You send us sign of your poop. We"}, {"end": "02:48:39", "start": "02:48:35", "text": "send you our poop."}, {"end": "02:48:44", "start": "02:48:40", "text": "You want to go ahead and you take a you"}, {"end": "02:48:46", "start": "02:48:41", "text": "take a shot at it. That's okay. I'm"}, {"end": "02:48:50", "start": "02:48:44", "text": "good. I'm good."}, {"end": "02:48:50", "start": "02:48:46", "text": "Is this making sense to anyone?"}, {"end": "02:48:56", "start": "02:48:51", "text": "Ghost video 420. Do aliens have space"}, {"end": "02:48:58", "start": "02:48:54", "text": "drugs exploring space sober? Now, you"}, {"end": "02:49:01", "start": "02:48:56", "text": "don't want to do that. Uh, they do. Uh,"}, {"end": "02:49:03", "start": "02:48:58", "text": "I'm aware of Blorpus. Um, there are a"}, {"end": "02:49:06", "start": "02:49:01", "text": "couple other ones that are really funny,"}, {"end": "02:49:10", "start": "02:49:03", "text": "but the Blorpus is the one that heck was"}, {"end": "02:49:11", "start": "02:49:06", "text": "hecklefish's favorite. Oh man, I wish I"}, {"end": "02:49:13", "start": "02:49:10", "text": "could think I wish I could think there"}, {"end": "02:49:16", "start": "02:49:11", "text": "were two other ones in that spot that"}, {"end": "02:49:19", "start": "02:49:13", "text": "were really funny drugs. But yeah, the"}, {"end": "02:49:21", "start": "02:49:16", "text": "aliens uh they went they went by Uranus"}, {"end": "02:49:23", "start": "02:49:19", "text": "and they left some blurp seeds for"}, {"end": "02:49:26", "start": "02:49:21", "text": "hecklefish and he he's been growing"}, {"end": "02:49:27", "start": "02:49:23", "text": "blurp ever since."}, {"end": "02:49:31", "start": "02:49:26", "text": "And if you watch the compilations,"}, {"end": "02:49:33", "start": "02:49:27", "text": "blurpus comes up quite a bit. There were"}, {"end": "02:49:35", "start": "02:49:31", "text": "there was one comp not too long ago."}, {"end": "02:49:37", "start": "02:49:33", "text": "Look, the compilations I hate when I"}, {"end": "02:49:38", "start": "02:49:35", "text": "hear people say it's like a copout. Oh,"}, {"end": "02:49:41", "start": "02:49:37", "text": "it's just another compilation. He's just"}, {"end": "02:49:43", "start": "02:49:38", "text": "phoning it in. I work so hard on those"}, {"end": "02:49:44", "start": "02:49:41", "text": "just as hard as the episodes because"}, {"end": "02:49:46", "start": "02:49:43", "text": "there's tons of content in between"}, {"end": "02:49:48", "start": "02:49:44", "text": "there. There's a story that's told."}, {"end": "02:49:52", "start": "02:49:46", "text": "There's some he gets into some"}, {"end": "02:49:55", "start": "02:49:48", "text": "misadventure that's evol that's resolved"}, {"end": "02:49:58", "start": "02:49:52", "text": "by act three."}, {"end": "02:50:00", "start": "02:49:55", "text": "I work hard on those."}, {"end": "02:50:04", "start": "02:49:58", "text": "I know you guys don't say that. I just"}, {"end": "02:50:04", "start": "02:50:00", "text": "shouldn't go on Reddit."}, {"end": "02:50:09", "start": "02:50:04", "text": "found out this morning I finally won my"}, {"end": "02:50:10", "start": "02:50:06", "text": "disability. Congratulations, John. I"}, {"end": "02:50:13", "start": "02:50:09", "text": "hope that didn't take too long. God"}, {"end": "02:50:15", "start": "02:50:10", "text": "bless."}, {"end": "02:50:17", "start": "02:50:13", "text": "There's the hybrid."}, {"end": "02:50:18", "start": "02:50:15", "text": "There's Paul again. I don't know how"}, {"end": "02:50:22", "start": "02:50:17", "text": "many memberships Paul's dropped in"}, {"end": "02:50:22", "start": "02:50:18", "text": "there, but it's been quite a few."}, {"end": "02:50:29", "start": "02:50:23", "text": "All right, I think I'm mostly caught up."}, {"end": "02:50:30", "start": "02:50:27", "text": "See a few that I missed. Dra, please"}, {"end": "02:50:31", "start": "02:50:29", "text": "make more in tonight's episode. You got"}, {"end": "02:50:35", "start": "02:50:30", "text": "it. I think I'm going to do the inner"}, {"end": "02:50:38", "start": "02:50:31", "text": "earth next, but I I'll do them all."}, {"end": "02:50:40", "start": "02:50:35", "text": "Justin Farmer copout effing. Excuse me."}, {"end": "02:50:43", "start": "02:50:38", "text": "That's what I said."}, {"end": "02:50:45", "start": "02:50:40", "text": "That's what I said. J Church, stay away"}, {"end": "02:50:48", "start": "02:50:43", "text": "from the haters on Reddit. I try to for"}, {"end": "02:50:50", "start": "02:50:45", "text": "I really do. I hardly ever go on there"}, {"end": "02:50:51", "start": "02:50:48", "text": "now. I'll only go on Reddit if Hybrid"}, {"end": "02:50:54", "start": "02:50:50", "text": "sends me a link because he knows it's"}, {"end": "02:50:58", "start": "02:50:51", "text": "something that I'm that it's nice."}, {"end": "02:51:01", "start": "02:50:54", "text": "And I don't get many of those links."}, {"end": "02:51:03", "start": "02:50:58", "text": "Nope. Not many of those."}, {"end": "02:51:05", "start": "02:51:01", "text": "Sometimes he'll even say, \"You don't"}, {"end": "02:51:07", "start": "02:51:03", "text": "need to go on there right now. Just just"}, {"end": "02:51:09", "start": "02:51:05", "text": "stay off of there a minute. Let us let"}, {"end": "02:51:12", "start": "02:51:07", "text": "us clean that up.\" And it's hard not to"}, {"end": "02:51:13", "start": "02:51:09", "text": "go on there. It's only human because"}, {"end": "02:51:14", "start": "02:51:12", "text": "people are talking about you. You want"}, {"end": "02:51:17", "start": "02:51:13", "text": "to know what they're saying, but you"}, {"end": "02:51:17", "start": "02:51:14", "text": "really don't."}, {"end": "02:51:21", "start": "02:51:18", "text": "I didn't know all this time I had the"}, {"end": "02:51:23", "start": "02:51:19", "text": "pin comment up there. That's just not"}, {"end": "02:51:27", "start": "02:51:21", "text": "Isn't it amazing what passes for a live"}, {"end": "02:51:29", "start": "02:51:23", "text": "stream these days? Boy, oh boy."}, {"end": "02:51:31", "start": "02:51:27", "text": "I said, \"Hey, hello. Welcome back. Good"}, {"end": "02:51:33", "start": "02:51:29", "text": "to be back. Billy Harmon, thank you for"}, {"end": "02:51:36", "start": "02:51:31", "text": "that. Very nice. Sharon, congrats on 5"}, {"end": "02:51:39", "start": "02:51:33", "text": "mil. Thank you. I need a more Reddit is"}, {"end": "02:51:42", "start": "02:51:36", "text": "evil. It some some ways I used I used to"}, {"end": "02:51:45", "start": "02:51:39", "text": "love Reddit. I read Reddit"}, {"end": "02:51:47", "start": "02:51:42", "text": "stupid. Uh every night would hop on"}, {"end": "02:51:50", "start": "02:51:45", "text": "there and have a ball,"}, {"end": "02:51:52", "start": "02:51:47", "text": "you know, am I the [\u00a0__\u00a0] or, you know,"}, {"end": "02:51:55", "start": "02:51:50", "text": "or creepy pasta"}, {"end": "02:51:57", "start": "02:51:52", "text": "or all those. No sleep. I read that one"}, {"end": "02:51:59", "start": "02:51:55", "text": "all the time."}, {"end": "02:52:01", "start": "02:51:57", "text": "Ericus, that's exactly right. Reddit is"}, {"end": "02:52:04", "start": "02:51:59", "text": "so grumpy. That's what it is. They're"}, {"end": "02:52:08", "start": "02:52:01", "text": "just They're just grumpy on there."}, {"end": "02:52:12", "start": "02:52:04", "text": "They're just angry. Derek Dumas"}, {"end": "02:52:14", "start": "02:52:08", "text": "or Duma D. Reddit was good. Agree."}, {"end": "02:52:15", "start": "02:52:12", "text": "Emory, my first movie was Blazing"}, {"end": "02:52:17", "start": "02:52:14", "text": "Saddles."}, {"end": "02:52:20", "start": "02:52:15", "text": "Classic. People say you couldn't make"}, {"end": "02:52:22", "start": "02:52:17", "text": "that today. I think you could. I think"}, {"end": "02:52:25", "start": "02:52:20", "text": "you could. Shannon Smith, how's the"}, {"end": "02:52:27", "start": "02:52:22", "text": "ArtBell movie going? Um, I don't have"}, {"end": "02:52:28", "start": "02:52:25", "text": "any new info"}, {"end": "02:52:30", "start": "02:52:27", "text": "and I'm not I'm not holding back"}, {"end": "02:52:32", "start": "02:52:28", "text": "anything. There's not like a something"}, {"end": "02:52:35", "start": "02:52:30", "text": "secret. I don't I'm not in the"}, {"end": "02:52:37", "start": "02:52:32", "text": "day-to-day loop. Um, I talked to Jeff is"}, {"end": "02:52:39", "start": "02:52:35", "text": "Jeff Cass is the producer. I talk to him"}, {"end": "02:52:42", "start": "02:52:37", "text": "all the time,"}, {"end": "02:52:44", "start": "02:52:39", "text": "at least once a week. Uh, talked to him"}, {"end": "02:52:47", "start": "02:52:42", "text": "just last week on a Zoom call because"}, {"end": "02:52:49", "start": "02:52:44", "text": "he's trying to get a show made for us"}, {"end": "02:52:51", "start": "02:52:47", "text": "and which is nice, but I'm I'm like,"}, {"end": "02:52:52", "start": "02:52:49", "text": "Jeff, I'll do a show for you, but I want"}, {"end": "02:52:54", "start": "02:52:51", "text": "to know what what's going to be my cameo"}, {"end": "02:52:56", "start": "02:52:52", "text": "in the RBell movie. That's who I'm"}, {"end": "02:52:59", "start": "02:52:54", "text": "talking about. And he's like, \"Oh, we'll"}, {"end": "02:53:02", "start": "02:52:56", "text": "figure something out.\""}, {"end": "02:53:05", "start": "02:52:59", "text": "Oh, we'll figure something out. That's"}, {"end": "02:53:07", "start": "02:53:02", "text": "not encouraging. Jeff,"}, {"end": "02:53:08", "start": "02:53:05", "text": "you want promo or not? We'll figure"}, {"end": "02:53:09", "start": "02:53:07", "text": "something out. And when he's like, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "02:53:12", "start": "02:53:08", "text": "can you promote the movie?\" I'll say,"}, {"end": "02:53:14", "start": "02:53:09", "text": "\"We'll figure something out."}, {"end": "02:53:17", "start": "02:53:12", "text": "We'll see.\""}, {"end": "02:53:19", "start": "02:53:14", "text": "Mr. Doctor, thank you for that generous"}, {"end": "02:53:21", "start": "02:53:17", "text": "donation. Appreciate that. W House crew"}, {"end": "02:53:22", "start": "02:53:19", "text": "are doing a great job. Thank you for all"}, {"end": "02:53:25", "start": "02:53:21", "text": "for what you do. Best channel on"}, {"end": "02:53:26", "start": "02:53:22", "text": "YouTube. appreciate you. Very generous."}, {"end": "02:53:29", "start": "02:53:25", "text": "Thoughtless monkey just became a lizard"}, {"end": "02:53:29", "start": "02:53:26", "text": "person."}, {"end": "02:53:34", "start": "02:53:30", "text": "Mischiev makes a great point and I wish"}, {"end": "02:53:36", "start": "02:53:32", "text": "I got this up there sooner. You have to"}, {"end": "02:53:37", "start": "02:53:34", "text": "turn on accept gift memberships. I don't"}, {"end": "02:53:39", "start": "02:53:36", "text": "remember how to do it, but I do remember"}, {"end": "02:53:41", "start": "02:53:37", "text": "it was confusing."}, {"end": "02:53:44", "start": "02:53:39", "text": "I remember turning it on going, \"Why did"}, {"end": "02:53:45", "start": "02:53:41", "text": "they put it down here?\" Because you have"}, {"end": "02:53:47", "start": "02:53:44", "text": "to you have to enable your account to"}, {"end": "02:53:48", "start": "02:53:45", "text": "receive gift memberships. I don't know"}, {"end": "02:53:51", "start": "02:53:47", "text": "why that is. I don't know the point of"}, {"end": "02:53:53", "start": "02:53:48", "text": "that."}, {"end": "02:53:56", "start": "02:53:51", "text": "Arthur Gonzalez wants me to dig further"}, {"end": "02:54:01", "start": "02:53:53", "text": "into the tunnels. You got it."}, {"end": "02:54:01", "start": "02:53:56", "text": "Bob Lazar is Art Bell's Gary Hawkins."}, {"end": "02:54:07", "start": "02:54:02", "text": "They should they should give him a cameo"}, {"end": "02:54:11", "start": "02:54:04", "text": "in it. He'd be fun."}, {"end": "02:54:11", "start": "02:54:07", "text": "Um, but no, it's still Giamati."}, {"end": "02:54:15", "start": "02:54:12", "text": "Pisen to an episode of Cory Feldman. I"}, {"end": "02:54:18", "start": "02:54:14", "text": "don't think so. I don't think there's"}, {"end": "02:54:19", "start": "02:54:15", "text": "any WS material in there."}, {"end": "02:54:22", "start": "02:54:18", "text": "And besides, I would only be"}, {"end": "02:54:24", "start": "02:54:19", "text": "complimentary. I don't go after people."}, {"end": "02:54:26", "start": "02:54:22", "text": "That's not what I do."}, {"end": "02:54:27", "start": "02:54:24", "text": "You know, if someone is still alive, I"}, {"end": "02:54:28", "start": "02:54:26", "text": "try to not really talk about them too"}, {"end": "02:54:30", "start": "02:54:27", "text": "much. You know, unless, you know,"}, {"end": "02:54:32", "start": "02:54:28", "text": "someone like Corey Good, I talk about"}, {"end": "02:54:34", "start": "02:54:30", "text": "because because I don't like stolen"}, {"end": "02:54:37", "start": "02:54:32", "text": "valor. I don't like pretending that you"}, {"end": "02:54:38", "start": "02:54:34", "text": "were a Marine, which you can't do. You"}, {"end": "02:54:41", "start": "02:54:37", "text": "talk to somebody and they say you're a"}, {"end": "02:54:43", "start": "02:54:38", "text": "Marine. You already know. I was in the"}, {"end": "02:54:45", "start": "02:54:41", "text": "core. Dude, I knew you were in the core"}, {"end": "02:54:48", "start": "02:54:43", "text": "the minute you walked in. You just you"}, {"end": "02:54:51", "start": "02:54:45", "text": "got you got you got core energy. You got"}, {"end": "02:54:52", "start": "02:54:48", "text": "big core energy."}, {"end": "02:54:55", "start": "02:54:51", "text": "Corey good does not give big core"}, {"end": "02:54:58", "start": "02:54:52", "text": "energy."}, {"end": "02:55:00", "start": "02:54:55", "text": "So stolen valor, you are in you on my"}, {"end": "02:55:04", "start": "02:54:58", "text": "radar. But otherwise, no, I don't go I"}, {"end": "02:55:04", "start": "02:55:00", "text": "don't really go after people."}, {"end": "02:55:08", "start": "02:55:05", "text": "See AJ for 25. What's your take on the"}, {"end": "02:55:09", "start": "02:55:07", "text": "trillions of dollars bunker cities that"}, {"end": "02:55:11", "start": "02:55:08", "text": "were built in the last few years that"}, {"end": "02:55:13", "start": "02:55:09", "text": "the government was trying to hide? I've"}, {"end": "02:55:16", "start": "02:55:11", "text": "talked about it. I I mentioned it in"}, {"end": "02:55:17", "start": "02:55:13", "text": "tonight's episode that they're digging"}, {"end": "02:55:19", "start": "02:55:16", "text": "and searching for something. And I"}, {"end": "02:55:20", "start": "02:55:17", "text": "mentioned it very recently in another"}, {"end": "02:55:22", "start": "02:55:19", "text": "episode that they are building. They're"}, {"end": "02:55:24", "start": "02:55:20", "text": "waiting for something."}, {"end": "02:55:27", "start": "02:55:22", "text": "I don't go too heavy into it because"}, {"end": "02:55:30", "start": "02:55:24", "text": "it's it's a no no on YouTube."}, {"end": "02:55:34", "start": "02:55:27", "text": "I know that for a fact. So I kind of I"}, {"end": "02:55:34", "start": "02:55:30", "text": "talk around it."}, {"end": "02:55:41", "start": "02:55:38", "text": "Uh this is a tough one. expats of"}, {"end": "02:55:43", "start": "02:55:40", "text": "Azeroth. Be interesting episode about"}, {"end": "02:55:46", "start": "02:55:41", "text": "the truth beyond uh methylene blue"}, {"end": "02:55:48", "start": "02:55:43", "text": "ivormectin and the claims about treating"}, {"end": "02:55:52", "start": "02:55:46", "text": "cancer other diseases. YouTube would"}, {"end": "02:55:55", "start": "02:55:48", "text": "never let me get into that."}, {"end": "02:55:57", "start": "02:55:52", "text": "Ivormectin is is controversial now. It"}, {"end": "02:55:59", "start": "02:55:55", "text": "it wasn't before."}, {"end": "02:56:01", "start": "02:55:57", "text": "That's that's that's all politics and"}, {"end": "02:56:04", "start": "02:55:59", "text": "Rogan and and and media and all"}, {"end": "02:56:07", "start": "02:56:01", "text": "nonsense. Ivormectin is you know that's"}, {"end": "02:56:10", "start": "02:56:04", "text": "all the horse worm the horse dewormer"}, {"end": "02:56:13", "start": "02:56:07", "text": "crap. I I is required medication for"}, {"end": "02:56:14", "start": "02:56:10", "text": "foreign service has been for years but"}, {"end": "02:56:18", "start": "02:56:13", "text": "it became controversial and politicized"}, {"end": "02:56:18", "start": "02:56:14", "text": "so I don't talk about it"}, {"end": "02:56:23", "start": "02:56:18", "text": "because you know who wants to hear that"}, {"end": "02:56:25", "start": "02:56:20", "text": "you can hear politics everywhere else"}, {"end": "02:56:27", "start": "02:56:23", "text": "Nick C Navy Seal Energy is better what"}, {"end": "02:56:29", "start": "02:56:25", "text": "do I know Marines are alpha too Navy"}, {"end": "02:56:32", "start": "02:56:27", "text": "Seal energy that's different that's a"}, {"end": "02:56:34", "start": "02:56:29", "text": "different kind of crazy"}, {"end": "02:56:35", "start": "02:56:32", "text": "um I was just talking to my YouTube rep"}, {"end": "02:56:37", "start": "02:56:34", "text": "about that today because we're because"}, {"end": "02:56:40", "start": "02:56:35", "text": "we're talking about Shawn Ryan who was a"}, {"end": "02:56:43", "start": "02:56:37", "text": "seal I think he was Seal Team two."}, {"end": "02:56:45", "start": "02:56:40", "text": "Seal two, I think he was Seal Team 2 out"}, {"end": "02:56:48", "start": "02:56:43", "text": "of Little Creek. You Navy guys would"}, {"end": "02:56:51", "start": "02:56:45", "text": "know, but Seal team 2 is I think is East"}, {"end": "02:56:53", "start": "02:56:48", "text": "Coast deploy. Uh but but SEAL is a"}, {"end": "02:56:55", "start": "02:56:51", "text": "special kind of crazy cuz those aren't"}, {"end": "02:56:57", "start": "02:56:53", "text": "Navy guys to go through hell week to go"}, {"end": "02:56:59", "start": "02:56:55", "text": "through BUDS. That takes a special kind"}, {"end": "02:57:01", "start": "02:56:57", "text": "of crazy. Nobody can do that. You can't"}, {"end": "02:57:02", "start": "02:56:59", "text": "do it. In my in my day, I could have"}, {"end": "02:57:03", "start": "02:57:01", "text": "done Ranger school. I could have got"}, {"end": "02:57:05", "start": "02:57:02", "text": "through Ranger school. I was in shape"}, {"end": "02:57:07", "start": "02:57:03", "text": "and had the stamina to do it, but I"}, {"end": "02:57:09", "start": "02:57:05", "text": "could never do buds. I couldn't do hell"}, {"end": "02:57:11", "start": "02:57:07", "text": "week."}, {"end": "02:57:13", "start": "02:57:09", "text": "Five, six hours sleep for four or five,"}, {"end": "02:57:15", "start": "02:57:11", "text": "six days, constantly wet, constantly"}, {"end": "02:57:18", "start": "02:57:13", "text": "cold, being barked at, carrot, dragging"}, {"end": "02:57:20", "start": "02:57:15", "text": "things around. Couldn't do it."}, {"end": "02:57:22", "start": "02:57:18", "text": "So, I know a I know and have known a few"}, {"end": "02:57:24", "start": "02:57:20", "text": "SEALs and they're, you know, they're"}, {"end": "02:57:27", "start": "02:57:22", "text": "great people, but they're there's"}, {"end": "02:57:29", "start": "02:57:24", "text": "something a little off in a good way. We"}, {"end": "02:57:31", "start": "02:57:27", "text": "need those guys."}, {"end": "02:57:34", "start": "02:57:29", "text": "Not, you know, not to mention Seal Team"}, {"end": "02:57:34", "start": "02:57:31", "text": "Six,"}, {"end": "02:57:38", "start": "02:57:34", "text": "but we let's not discount Force Recon,"}, {"end": "02:57:40", "start": "02:57:36", "text": "Delta, and some of the some of the"}, {"end": "02:57:44", "start": "02:57:38", "text": "groups that, you know, we officially"}, {"end": "02:57:46", "start": "02:57:40", "text": "don't talk about. Force Recon, Delta,"}, {"end": "02:57:49", "start": "02:57:44", "text": "Team Six. I I don't think anything about"}, {"end": "02:57:52", "start": "02:57:46", "text": "uh Seal Team Six is ever disclosed. I"}, {"end": "02:57:52", "start": "02:57:49", "text": "think they're always dark."}, {"end": "02:57:57", "start": "02:57:53", "text": "I'm just checking on the chat."}, {"end": "02:58:01", "start": "02:57:58", "text": "My son says, \"The Navy Seals are crazy,"}, {"end": "02:58:05", "start": "02:58:00", "text": "but some of the most genuine guys you'll"}, {"end": "02:58:07", "start": "02:58:01", "text": "meet.\" That's been my experience."}, {"end": "02:58:11", "start": "02:58:05", "text": "My ex's brother was a SEAL. We went to"}, {"end": "02:58:12", "start": "02:58:07", "text": "the had a ball the at his um graduation"}, {"end": "02:58:17", "start": "02:58:11", "text": "party. So, there was a bunch of a bunch"}, {"end": "02:58:20", "start": "02:58:12", "text": "of seals there from his class. And they"}, {"end": "02:58:23", "start": "02:58:17", "text": "definitely were crazy, hardcore,"}, {"end": "02:58:24", "start": "02:58:20", "text": "but just so sweet and real. And they"}, {"end": "02:58:26", "start": "02:58:23", "text": "really believe they really believe in"}, {"end": "02:58:28", "start": "02:58:24", "text": "what they're doing. Like really real"}, {"end": "02:58:30", "start": "02:58:26", "text": "patriots."}, {"end": "02:58:32", "start": "02:58:28", "text": "Because it's like, dude, why why did you"}, {"end": "02:58:34", "start": "02:58:30", "text": "do that? He said, I had to do it. I had"}, {"end": "02:58:36", "start": "02:58:32", "text": "I had to be a seal."}, {"end": "02:58:38", "start": "02:58:34", "text": "Like you need it's like you need me on"}, {"end": "02:58:41", "start": "02:58:36", "text": "that wall. He was like that. He was"}, {"end": "02:58:41", "start": "02:58:38", "text": "great."}, {"end": "02:58:47", "start": "02:58:44", "text": "Why does Jesus look so old in the shroud"}, {"end": "02:58:49", "start": "02:58:45", "text": "of Tor? He looks at least 60 or 70 years"}, {"end": "02:58:52", "start": "02:58:47", "text": "old, not 33. These are questions for the"}, {"end": "02:58:56", "start": "02:58:49", "text": "ages."}, {"end": "02:58:58", "start": "02:58:52", "text": "Mr. Ball was a ceiling super dope."}, {"end": "02:59:00", "start": "02:58:56", "text": "I don't know what team he was with. You"}, {"end": "02:59:04", "start": "02:58:58", "text": "guys know that"}, {"end": "02:59:08", "start": "02:59:00", "text": "if he was East Coast, West Coast,"}, {"end": "02:59:08", "start": "02:59:04", "text": "I haven't looked into that one. Smokey"}, {"end": "02:59:17", "start": "02:59:13", "text": "Joshua, hope to see you in chat with"}, {"end": "02:59:19", "start": "02:59:14", "text": "Paul's Wallace"}, {"end": "02:59:21", "start": "02:59:17", "text": "up in there. Cougars Cubing memberships"}, {"end": "02:59:23", "start": "02:59:19", "text": "after having her debut on the Patreon"}, {"end": "02:59:27", "start": "02:59:21", "text": "AMA."}, {"end": "02:59:27", "start": "02:59:23", "text": "Very nervous, but she did a great job."}, {"end": "02:59:36", "start": "02:59:30", "text": "I just wanted to put that up there"}, {"end": "02:59:36", "start": "02:59:32", "text": "because now the song is in my head."}, {"end": "02:59:43", "start": "02:59:39", "text": "Alec, how old is hecklefish? Well, he"}, {"end": "02:59:46", "start": "02:59:40", "text": "lies so I don't know."}, {"end": "02:59:50", "start": "02:59:43", "text": "I would I would guess I would guess late"}, {"end": "02:59:54", "start": "02:59:46", "text": "50s. He said he says mid-40s,"}, {"end": "02:59:59", "start": "02:59:50", "text": "but he lies about so many things."}, {"end": "02:59:59", "start": "02:59:54", "text": "Vanessa's dad is Canadian Navy. Nice."}, {"end": "03:00:05", "start": "03:00:00", "text": "Canada is different now. People People"}, {"end": "03:00:07", "start": "03:00:02", "text": "forget during World War II like Cana Can"}, {"end": "03:00:08", "start": "03:00:05", "text": "Canadian Navy during that time might"}, {"end": "03:00:11", "start": "03:00:07", "text": "have been"}, {"end": "03:00:13", "start": "03:00:08", "text": "third biggest in the world. Fourth,"}, {"end": "03:00:15", "start": "03:00:11", "text": "third, like huge."}, {"end": "03:00:16", "start": "03:00:13", "text": "The Canadian Navy was so big they have"}, {"end": "03:00:19", "start": "03:00:15", "text": "their own beach on D-Day. Did you guys"}, {"end": "03:00:23", "start": "03:00:16", "text": "know that"}, {"end": "03:00:25", "start": "03:00:19", "text": "Canada had a huge navy back then?"}, {"end": "03:00:29", "start": "03:00:23", "text": "But post war they didn't really don't"}, {"end": "03:00:29", "start": "03:00:25", "text": "really need it"}, {"end": "03:00:34", "start": "03:00:30", "text": "and just and fought heroically."}, {"end": "03:00:38", "start": "03:00:32", "text": "Bradley Fisk Jamati is Artbell. Is that"}, {"end": "03:00:42", "start": "03:00:34", "text": "true? That is true. I don't see it."}, {"end": "03:00:44", "start": "03:00:38", "text": "I don't see it. But um but Giamati can"}, {"end": "03:00:46", "start": "03:00:42", "text": "do anything. I just you know I don't"}, {"end": "03:00:49", "start": "03:00:44", "text": "know if he has the voice for it. Who"}, {"end": "03:00:49", "start": "03:00:46", "text": "really does that? That"}, {"end": "03:00:56", "start": "03:00:52", "text": "dare you."}, {"end": "03:00:58", "start": "03:00:54", "text": "All right, that's three hours. Do we get"}, {"end": "03:01:02", "start": "03:00:56", "text": "it all in?"}, {"end": "03:01:03", "start": "03:00:58", "text": "Appreciate that, Arthur showing support."}, {"end": "03:01:05", "start": "03:01:02", "text": "After this, you guys will be redirected"}, {"end": "03:01:06", "start": "03:01:03", "text": "over 247 stream. I hope to see you over"}, {"end": "03:01:08", "start": "03:01:05", "text": "there. It's a lot of fun. I have it"}, {"end": "03:01:11", "start": "03:01:06", "text": "running back there. I don't know what"}, {"end": "03:01:15", "start": "03:01:08", "text": "episode is going on now."}, {"end": "03:01:15", "start": "03:01:11", "text": "Pretty recent one."}, {"end": "03:01:21", "start": "03:01:15", "text": "Gino, thank you for your help tonight."}, {"end": "03:01:22", "start": "03:01:18", "text": "Appreciate it. Say hi to Patrick for me."}, {"end": "03:01:23", "start": "03:01:21", "text": "Victoria, I couldn't do this without"}, {"end": "03:01:27", "start": "03:01:22", "text": "you. Thank you."}, {"end": "03:01:27", "start": "03:01:23", "text": "You're welcome."}, {"end": "03:01:30", "start": "03:01:27", "text": "You got Thanks everyone for hanging out"}, {"end": "03:01:32", "start": "03:01:29", "text": "tonight. You guys are really"}, {"end": "03:01:33", "start": "03:01:30", "text": "appreciated. Couldn't do this without"}, {"end": "03:01:35", "start": "03:01:32", "text": "you. Thanks to everyone for super"}, {"end": "03:01:37", "start": "03:01:33", "text": "chatting. Thanks everyone for gifting"}, {"end": "03:01:40", "start": "03:01:35", "text": "memberships. If you want to support, the"}, {"end": "03:01:43", "start": "03:01:37", "text": "best way to do that is on Patreon. Links"}, {"end": "03:01:43", "start": "03:01:40", "text": "are somewhere."}, {"end": "03:01:47", "start": "03:01:43", "text": "Patreon members get good stuff. You get"}, {"end": "03:01:49", "start": "03:01:45", "text": "perks. It's worth it. I promise. And if"}, {"end": "03:01:50", "start": "03:01:47", "text": "you cancel"}, {"end": "03:01:52", "start": "03:01:49", "text": "all love, we don't mind. I know things"}, {"end": "03:01:54", "start": "03:01:50", "text": "can get tight."}, {"end": "03:01:57", "start": "03:01:52", "text": "Uh, thanks for everyone for writing in."}, {"end": "03:02:00", "start": "03:01:54", "text": "I hope I got everybody covered and I"}, {"end": "03:02:03", "start": "03:01:57", "text": "hope to see you soon. Hecklefish will"}, {"end": "03:02:03", "start": "03:02:00", "text": "sing you out."}, {"end": "03:02:19", "start": "03:02:13", "text": "And now"}, {"end": "03:02:22", "start": "03:02:16", "text": "the end is near."}, {"end": "03:02:26", "start": "03:02:19", "text": "And so I face"}, {"end": "03:02:28", "start": "03:02:22", "text": "the final curtain."}, {"end": "03:02:31", "start": "03:02:26", "text": "My friend,"}, {"end": "03:02:34", "start": "03:02:28", "text": "I'll say it clear."}, {"end": "03:02:38", "start": "03:02:31", "text": "I'll state my case"}, {"end": "03:02:41", "start": "03:02:34", "text": "of which I'm certain."}, {"end": "03:02:44", "start": "03:02:38", "text": "I've lived"}, {"end": "03:02:47", "start": "03:02:41", "text": "a life that's full."}, {"end": "03:02:51", "start": "03:02:44", "text": "I swam down each"}, {"end": "03:02:53", "start": "03:02:47", "text": "each and every highway"}, {"end": "03:02:56", "start": "03:02:51", "text": "and more"}, {"end": "03:03:00", "start": "03:02:53", "text": "much more than this."}, {"end": "03:03:00", "start": "03:02:56", "text": "I did it my"}, {"end": "03:03:05", "start": "03:03:00", "text": "way."}, {"end": "03:03:09", "start": "03:03:03", "text": "I've loved."}, {"end": "03:03:12", "start": "03:03:05", "text": "I've laughed and cried."}, {"end": "03:03:16", "start": "03:03:09", "text": "I've had my fill."}, {"end": "03:03:18", "start": "03:03:12", "text": "My share illusion."}, {"end": "03:03:21", "start": "03:03:16", "text": "And now"}, {"end": "03:03:24", "start": "03:03:18", "text": "as tears subside,"}, {"end": "03:03:28", "start": "03:03:21", "text": "I find it all."}, {"end": "03:03:31", "start": "03:03:24", "text": "It's also amusing"}, {"end": "03:03:34", "start": "03:03:28", "text": "to think"}, {"end": "03:03:37", "start": "03:03:31", "text": "I did all that."}, {"end": "03:03:41", "start": "03:03:34", "text": "And may I say"}, {"end": "03:03:43", "start": "03:03:37", "text": "not in a shy way."}, {"end": "03:03:46", "start": "03:03:41", "text": "Oh no."}, {"end": "03:03:50", "start": "03:03:43", "text": "Oh no. Not me."}, {"end": "03:03:50", "start": "03:03:46", "text": "I did it my"}, {"end": "03:03:59", "start": "03:03:50", "text": "way. But what is a fish?"}, {"end": "03:04:02", "start": "03:03:56", "text": "But he got"}, {"end": "03:04:02", "start": "03:03:59", "text": "none"}, {"end": "03:04:13", "start": "03:04:05", "text": "to say the things"}, {"end": "03:04:13", "start": "03:04:09", "text": "he truly feels."}, {"end": "03:04:26", "start": "03:04:22", "text": "I took the"}, {"end": "03:04:42", "start": "03:04:38", "text": "Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank"}, {"end": "03:04:45", "start": "03:04:39", "text": "you so much. Let's hear it for the Wild"}, {"end": "03:04:46", "start": "03:04:42", "text": "House. You guys sounded great tonight."}, {"end": "03:04:49", "start": "03:04:45", "text": "And take care of those waitresses, will"}, {"end": "03:04:51", "start": "03:04:46", "text": "you? All right, everybody. Get home"}, {"end": "03:04:54", "start": "03:04:49", "text": "safe."}, {"end": "03:04:59", "start": "03:04:51", "text": "This is hecklefish."}, {"end": "03:05:02", "start": "03:04:54", "text": "And you know what? I did it my"}, {"end": "03:05:02", "start": "03:04:59", "text": "way."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "to you by Delete Me."}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "On the night of February 20th, 1954, the"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "president of the United States vanished"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "during his Palm Springs vacation."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Dwight D. Eisenhower wasn't in his hotel"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "room. He wasn't on the golf course. The"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "Secret Service searched everywhere. He"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "was just gone. The Associated Press"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "reported President Eisenhower died"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "tonight of a heart attack in Palm"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "Springs. An emergency press conference"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "was called. The president was alive and"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "well. He chipped a tooth and was rushed"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "to a local dentist. The story seemed"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "believable enough, but reporters started"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "asking questions. They couldn't find the"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "dentist or his office and no record of"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "the visit."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "That's because the story was a lie."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "Eisenhower wasn't at the dentist. He was"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "at Edward's Air Force Base for the most"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "classified meeting in American history."}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "Hey, Mom. The meatloaf"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "human. Uh, we got a problem. A a big"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "hairy problem."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": ">> That's That's something I never want to"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "hear."}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": ">> I started a business. Uh, Beaver and"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "Hump Investigations. Private"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "investigators. Discreet, efficient,"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "unlicensed. Her business was booming."}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "First week, I busted a guy faking a"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "broken hump to collect on his disability"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "claim. Rookie mistake. His other hump"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "didn't even match."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Please tell me that wasn't your biggest"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "case."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": ">> I'm not finished. Then I tracked the"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "runaway beaver all the way to a dive bar"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "in Reno. Uh, that one got messy. Uh, but"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "still another win for the good guys,"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "huh?"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": ">> I feel like just listening to this could"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "put me on a watch list."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": ">> Oh, it's fine. But to keep the cases"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "rolling in, I signed up for every PI"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "directory I could find. And now my phone"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "won't stop ringing."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:58", "text": ">> Well, that doesn't sound like a bad"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "problem."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:00", "text": ">> But here's what it's weird client,"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "telemarketers, and rival PI telling me"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "to get my beaver out of their territory."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": ">> Ah, it sounds like your information is"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "being sold online to data brokers. 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Get 20% off Delete Me"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "consumer plans when you go to"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "joindeleteme.com/theyfiles"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "and use promo code the yfiles at"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "checkout or scan the QR code on the"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "screen."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": ">> All right, human. Sign me up. If delete"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "me can get these creeps off my dorsal"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "fin, I could finally focus on my next"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "big case."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": ">> And what would that be?"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": ">> Investigating how a guy like you gets"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "millions of views talking to a goldfish."}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "Something doesn't add up."}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": ">> I uh can't argue with that."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": ">> The president had vanished for an entire"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "evening. The Associated Press panicked"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "and reported his death before retracting"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "it a few minutes later. The White House"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "said he chipped a tooth and needed"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "emergency dental work. But Eisenhower"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "wasn't at the dentist. He was at Edwards"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "Air Force Base for a secret meeting. The"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "base was on complete lockdown. Armed"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "soldiers patrolled the perimeter with no"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "name tape on their uniforms. No rank, no"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "insignia. Anonymous guards protecting"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "the most classified meeting in history."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Inside a secure hanger, Eisenhower"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "waited with a small group, high-ranking"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "generals, top scientists. This group"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "would later get a code name, Majestic"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "12."}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "Just after midnight, two lights appeared"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "in the sky. As they got closer, you"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "could see their shapes. These weren't"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "planes. They weren't helicopters. 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Ramps extended"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "from the vessels. The men watching were"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "nervous though they tried to hide it."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Still they could hear their own"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "heartbeats. They were breathing fast."}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "Then they saw movement in the light."}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "Beings emerged. They looked almost human"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "but weren't. Tall and thin with pale"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "skin and long blonde hair. They wore"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "simple one-piece silver suits. The"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "military gave them a name, the Nordics."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "The Nordics didn't speak, but everyone"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "could hear them. Not through their ears,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "through their minds. Telepathic"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "communication felt overwhelming at"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "first. The human mind isn't used to it."}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "It took a few seconds for the men to"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "adjust, but they did. The Nordics came"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "to make an offer. They would provide"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "technology beyond human imagination,"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "unlimited clean energy, the end of"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "disease, the human lifespan would exceed"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "300 years. They would guide humanity"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "into a golden age without poverty, war,"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "or suffering."}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "But they wanted something in exchange."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "To the Nordics, it was a small price for"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "turning Earth into a paradise. All they"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "wanted was all nuclear weapons"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "dismantled."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "The Nordics said humanity was like a"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "child playing with a loaded gun. Nuclear"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "weapons would destroy us. It was just a"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "matter of time."}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "But the Nordics had another message. a"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "warning. They said another alien race"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "was already here, a species that fed on"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "developing worlds like parasites. The"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "Nordics urged Eisenhower to stay away"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "from them. This other race would also"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "offer technology, advanced propulsion,"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "anti-gravity, unlimited energy, but they"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "would offer something the Nordics"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "wouldn't, weapons. The other aliens"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "would allow America to keep its nuclear"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "arsenal and all the advanced"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "technologies would be presented as"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "gifts."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "Eisenhower didn't know that the price"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "for these gifts would be much higher"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "than disarming. He also didn't know the"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "gifts were a trap."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Two months later, a letter surfaced that"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "proved the meeting wasn't entirely"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "secret. Gerald White, a writer and"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "researcher, wrote about what he saw at"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "Edward's Air Force Base. Extreme"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "security measures were in place."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "We were finally allowed to enter the"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "restricted section after about 6 hours"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "in which we were checked on every"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "possible item, event, incident, and"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "aspect of our personal and public life."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": ">> When they were finally allowed inside,"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "what they saw was beyond anything they"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "could have imagined."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "During my 2 days visit, I saw five"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "separate and distinct types of aircraft"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "being studied and handled by our Air"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "Force officials with the assistance and"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "permission of the Athetherans."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "The Athetherans were apparently one of"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "many alien races working alongside the"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "US military. But not everyone was taking"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "this revelation well."}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "I have never seen so many human beings"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "in a state of complete collapse and"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "confusion as they realized that their"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "own world had ended with such finality."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "The reality of the other plain arrow"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "forms is now removed from the realms of"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "speculation and made a rather painful"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "part of the consciousness of every"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "responsible scientific and political"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "group."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "As far as light was concerned, the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "speculation about UFOs and aliens was"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "over. Witnesses were invited. The crafts"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "were here. The issue was settled."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "I have no words to express my reactions."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "It has finally happened. It is now a"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "matter of history. President Eisenhower"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "will go directly to the people via radio"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "and television. From what I could"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "gather, an official statement to the"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "country is being prepared for delivery"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "about the middle of May."}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": ">> The announcement never came. The public"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "was told nothing. Light wasn't the only"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "civilian there. The delegation included"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "people with serious credentials. Dr."}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "Edwin Norris had been Truman's chief"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "economic adviser. Franklin Allen worked"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "for the Hurst newspaper empire. Cardinal"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "McIntyre represented the Catholic"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Church."}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "These weren't UFO enthusiasts or"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "conspiracy theorists. They were"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "establishment figures, people with"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "reputations to protect and everything to"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "lose by going public. Within days of"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "Light's letter, all the civilian"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "witnesses received visits from men in"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "dark suits. The story was buried. Some"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "bodies were buried. Those still alive"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "never spoke publicly again."}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "The second alien race arrived just as"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "the Nordics predicted. Their craft was"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "different. Not silver or shimmering,"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "dull gray metal that absorbed light like"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "a stealth aircraft. Where the Nordic"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "vessels looked peaceful, this new craft"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "was menacing. It looked powerful. The"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "witnesses understood immediately this"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "ship was built for war. No ramp"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "extended, no beings emerged. But like"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "the Nordics, the men could hear voices"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "in their minds. Where the Nordics were"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "warm and engaging, these new voices were"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "cold and clinical. This wasn't a visit."}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "This was a transaction. A voice invited"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "Eisenhower and his team aboard. The men"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "glanced at each other. The voice"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "repeated the invitation. This time it"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "sounded more like a command. Inside, the"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "first thing they noticed was the"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "disorienting silence. Sounds were"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "absorbed like in a vacuum, and there was"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "a pulsating hum. You couldn't hear it,"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "but you can feel it reverberating"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "throughout your body. The air was thin"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "and cold. There was the smell of ozone"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "and copper. There was also a faint smell"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "of something organic, algae maybe, or or"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "moss. Like the exterior, the interior"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "was seamless. No bolts or rivets, no"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "panel seams. The floors, walls, and"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "ceiling were made of the same silvery"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "gray material. The room was well lit,"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "but it felt wrong. There were no visible"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "bulbs or fixtures. The light was just"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "there. Occasionally, the walls rippled"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "and shifted as if responding to"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "something. This didn't feel like a"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "machine. It felt alive. A voice directed"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "them to a central chamber where they"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "waited in uncomfortable silence. Then"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "they appeared. Small beings about 4t"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "tall with gray skin. Huge bald heads and"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "enormous black eyes. Thin limbs, long"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "fingers, no visible mouths. They moved"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "mechanically, robotically. The beings"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "didn't have a name then, but we now know"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "them as the Grays."}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "They'd been watching Earth for a long"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "time. They knew about the Cold War, the"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "nuclear arms race, how close humanity"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "was to destroying itself. They knew"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "about the Nordic's offer. They agreed"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "with the Nordics on one thing. Humans"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "were headed for extinction. Like the"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "Nordics, the Grays also had an offer."}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "The Nordics offered a path to world"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "peace, the end of war, starvation,"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "poverty, free energy for all, a great"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "leap forward for all humanity. The Grays"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "had a different approach. They wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "save all of humanity, only a select few."}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "Grays had technology that would put"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "America a century ahead of any other"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "nation. Particle beam weapons, zero"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "point energy, advanced metal energy,"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "stealth technology, anti-gravity"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "propulsion. America wouldn't just win"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "the Cold War. It would dominate Earth"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "for generations. And all they wanted in"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "exchange was access. permission to"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "operate on Earth in secret. Underground"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "bases, hidden facilities, and they"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "wanted access to the human population"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "for biological study, just a few people."}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "The abductions would be harmless. People"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "would be taken aboard a ship while they"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "were asleep. The experiments would be"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "painless. When the subjects were"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "returned, they'd have no memory of the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "abduction. And for transparency, the"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "United States government would be"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "provided with a full list of every"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "abductee."}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "All eyes were on the president. The"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "generals, the scientists, the cardinal,"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "and the grays waiting. Eisenhower had to"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "choose. The Nordic's path to peace or"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "the Gay's promise of power."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "The two alien races had made their"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "offers. The Nordics promised peace"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "through disarming. The Grays promised"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "power through technology. For"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "Eisenhower, the choice was clear. He"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "chose power. The Cold War was"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "escalating. Soviet nukes were pointed at"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "American cities. The Nordic's offer"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "sounded idealistic and naive. The Gray's"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "deal promised survival. It was"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "practical."}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "The decision was made in that gray"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "chamber. No ceremony, no handshakes, no"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "documents to sign. The agreement was"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "sealed telepathically mind-to- mind. The"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "terms were simple. The United States"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "would get advanced technology and"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "weapons that could end any war. The"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "Grays would provide blueprints,"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "materials, knowledge, and even assist"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "human engineers. In return, the Grays"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "could operate on Earth in secret. They"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "were given federal land to build their"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "own bases. Deep underground, hidden from"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "the public, hidden from Congress, hidden"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "from future presidents, hidden from"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "everyone except Majestic 12."}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "The work began immediately. The Grays"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "brought massive tunneling machines that"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "could melt solid rock into glass. They"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "moved silently beneath the New Mexico"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "desert, Nevada, and Colorado. They left"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "no trace on the surface. The tunnels"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "went thousands of feet underground."}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "Level after level carved into the rock."}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "Each level had a specific purpose. The"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "upper levels were for human personnel."}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "The middle levels were for joint"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "operations. The lower levels were"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "restricted graves only. In the mountains"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "near Dulce, New Mexico, construction"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "began on what would become the most"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "classified facility on Earth. Seven"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "levels deep, each level more restricted"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "than the last. Level 7 was so classified"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "that even the construction workers"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "didn't know what they were building. The"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "abductions also started immediately."}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "People vanished from their cars on"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "deserted highways, from their beds in"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "the middle of the night. The list of"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "names began to arrive to Majestic 12."}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "But the numbers didn't add up. Reports"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "suggested that for every name on the"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "list, 10 more people went missing. And"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "the few abductees who remembered the"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "experience didn't describe harmless"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "exams. They described terrifying,"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "painful procedures."}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "The Grays had lied. But Majestic 12 had"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "no way to stop them without revealing"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "the entire program. But there were"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "witnesses who had no interest in money"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "or power, and they decided to expose the"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "truth."}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "The Grata Treaty promised America"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "technological supremacy in exchange for"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "allowing alien research on human"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "subjects. The deal was simple. Limited"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "abductions, harmless experiments, full"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "disclosure, regular reports. But by the"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "late 1970s, it was clear the Grays"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "weren't keeping their end of the"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "bargain."}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "Now, sure, they were sharing technology."}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "Within a decade of the treaty, computers"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "shrank from roomsized monsters to"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "desktop machines. Fiber optics appeared"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "out of nowhere. Stealth aircraft could"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "vanish from radar. Materials that"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "returned to their original shape after"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "being crumpled, just like witnesses"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "described from Roswell. The transistor,"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "microchips, anti-gravity research, night"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "vision, all of it accelerating at an"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "impossible pace. But the most disturbing"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "part wasn't what we gained. It was what"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "we lost. Because while American"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "technology leaped forward, American"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "citizens were disappearing."}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "Phil Schneider wasn't a conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "theorist. He was a geologist and"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "structural engineer with security"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "clearance. Phil Schneider built secret"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "underground bases for the government. He"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "knew where the bodies were buried cuz he"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "helped bury them."}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "In 1979, Schneider was at Dulce, New"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Mexico, helping drill thousands of feet"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "below the surface. His team knew they"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "were building a joint human alien"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "facility. They were told the Grays were"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "peaceful partners. That was a lie."}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "During the drilling, they broke through"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "into something that wasn't on the"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "blueprints, a massive cavern already"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "occupied. It was a gray nesting area"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "filled with thousands of beings in"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "incubation tanks and there are human"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "parts floating in those tanks. Schneider"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "saw men, women, and children, mostly in"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "pieces."}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "The grays weren't studying humanity,"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "they were harvesting it. A firefight"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "erupted. Guns against alien energy"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "weapons. Not exactly a fair fight."}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "Schneider, armed with a pistol, killed"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "two of the aliens. Then he was hit by a"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "blast that burned off the fingers on his"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "left hand and tore a hole in his chest."}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "A green beret pushed Schneder back onto"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "the elevator shaft, hit the button to"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "send him to the surface, then stayed"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "behind. In the battle, 66 humans died."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "Only three survived. Phil Schneider was"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "one of them."}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "William Cooper was former naval"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "intelligence. He saw the documents. He"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "saw the treaty. Cooper knew about"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "Project Sigma, how astronomers in 1953"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "discovered large objects in space moving"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "toward Earth, objects that could only be"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "spaceships. Cooper knew about the"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "underground bases, the technology"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "exchange, the cover up, but he also knew"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "something Schneider didn't. The treaty"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "wasn't just about secret facilities. In"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "February 1955, about 300 people"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "witnessed something at Hollowman Air"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "Force Base. Air Force One landed and"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "taxied onto the end of the runway. The"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "pilot instructed the tower to turn off"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "all radar. Then three round objects"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "appeared in the sky. One landed 200 ft"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "from the president's plane. Another"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "hovered overhead like a sentinel. The"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "third vanished from sight. Witnesses"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "watched a man descend from Air Force"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "One. No hat clearly visible. Everyone"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "recognized him as President Eisenhower."}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "They watched him shake hands with beings"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "at the door of the craft. Then he"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "entered their ship."}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "This wasn't secret. This was witnessed"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "by hundreds. And still nobody talked."}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "But Phil Schneider and William Cooper"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "did. Both men made public statements"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "that their lives were in danger. Both"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "said they were being threatened. Both"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "predicted they would soon be found dead."}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "Both men were right."}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "A secret treaty with aliens, underground"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "bases, a war for the future of humanity,"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "two whistleblowers dead for trying to"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "expose the truth. The Grata Treaty is"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "one of the most elaborate conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "theories of the last century."}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "But is it true?"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "The official story of Eisenhower's"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "disappearance on February 20th, 1954 is"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "still a dental visit. The White House"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "released the dentist's name, Dr. Francis"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "A. Purcell. Records show he was a real"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "dentist in Palm Springs. But the story"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "has problems. The Eisenhower Library has"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "extensive records of the president's"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "health. Every appointment, every"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "procedure, but there's no record of any"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "dental work in February 1954. None. The"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "primary sources for the Gata Treaty are"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "whistleblowers, William Cooper and Phil"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "Schneider. Cooper was former naval"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "intelligence with access to classified"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "files. He made some bold public"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "predictions. On June 28th, 2001 on his"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "radio show, Cooper said there would be a"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "major terrorist attack on US soil. He"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "said this would be a false flag"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "operation and Osama bin Laden would be"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "blamed. Now, this time, very few people"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "ever heard the name Osama bin Laden. But"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "6 weeks later, on September 11th, the"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "United States was attacked."}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "After the attacks, Cooper said on the"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "air that he expected to be killed, not"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "arrested, killed. A few weeks later, he"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "was killed in a shootout with police."}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "They were trying to serve him with a"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "warrant for tax evasion. Phil Schneider"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "showed photos and material samples he"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "claimed were alien alloys."}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:05", "text": ">> I have different artifacts uh explaining"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "uh some of them are alien metals that"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "have been produced. Here's a crystalline"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "example. It's in the scaleninoedral"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "crystalin form. We got this from the"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "large grays uh technology."}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:21", "text": ">> He also believed his life was in danger."}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "In 1995, during a lecture, he said, \"If"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "I ever commit suicide, I didn't. I was"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "murdered.\""}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "A few months later, Schneider was found"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "dead in his apartment, strangled with a"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "surgical tube. Official cause of death,"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "suicide. There's a link below to the"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "full story of Phil Schneider and"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "Doulsece Base. It's a wild one. Now,"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "despite these very strange deaths,"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "there's no physical proof of the Griata"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "Treaty, but the story doesn't come from"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "nowhere. The 1950s saw a massive"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "worldwide wave of UFO sightings. Many"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "were witnessed by credible military"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "personnel. And after World War II,"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "technology advanced quickly, maybe too"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "quickly."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "computers, particle physics, wireless"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "communication, integrated circuits,"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "fiber optics, stealth technology,"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "anti-gravity research. I have an episode"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "coming up about the acceleration in"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "technology that began in 1947, the year"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "of the Roswell crash. The discoveries"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "were coming fast and they were a little"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "too convenient."}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "Gerald Light really wrote a letter in"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "1954 claiming he witnessed the alien"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "meeting. He described seeing multiple"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "alien craft and different species. He"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "named other witnesses, Cardinal"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "McIntyre, Franklin Allen, Dr. Edward"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "Nurse. Now, Dr. Nurse is interesting. He"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "was an adviser to President Truman at"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "the time, but before that, he was a key"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "figure from the Brookings Institution."}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "Just a few years after the Grata"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "meeting, the Brookings Institution"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "released the Brookings Report. The"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "report covers a broad range of topics"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "related to space exploration and its"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "potential effects on society. But one"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "section, only a few paragraphs long, has"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "become infamous. The report says that"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "discovering intelligent extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "life could cause major social upheaval."}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "Now, you might have heard this is a"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "classified report that claims aliens"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "exist and instructed NASA to suppress"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "this information. None of that is true."}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "But the report did raise a question that"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "if aliens were discovered, the"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "implications of disclosure should be"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "considered carefully."}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "And then there's Eisenhower. In his"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "farewell address to the nation in 1961,"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "his final warning wasn't about the"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "Soviets. It was about a threat from"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "within. He warned of the growing"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "unchecked power of a military industrial"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "complex, a shadow government of"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "unelected officials and defense"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "contractors. Eisenhower was 100% right"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "about that."}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": ">> We recognize the imperative need for"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "this development. Yet, we must not fail"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "to comprehend its grave implications."}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "Our toil, resources, and livelihood are"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "all involved. So is the very structure"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "of our society."}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "In the councils of government, we must"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "car guard against the acquisition of"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "unwarranted influence, whether sought or"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "unsought, by the military industrial"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "complex."}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "The potential for the disastrous rise of"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "misplaced power, exists and will"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "persist."}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "So, is this a president's parting"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "wisdom, or was it a confession or a"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "final desperate warning about the deal"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "he made and regretted? Now I don't know"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "if the story of the grata treaty is true"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "but the story's observation of human"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "nature is absolutely true. We were"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "offered two paths one of enlightenment"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "and one of power. We chose power. And if"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "given the same offer today we'd make the"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "same choice. Now I wish the human race"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "was ready for an awakening that would"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "end violence and war and starvation and"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "poverty and all of that. And I believe"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "one day we'll get there. But that day is"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "not today. The world is a dangerous"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "place and always has been. The Nordics"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "offered peace only after we disarmed."}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "That's a big risk to take when the"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "Soviets were armed to the teeth. And"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "what if the Nordics were lying? They"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "were a bigger threat than the Soviets."}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "So, how do we know we can trust them?"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "Think of it this way. You're in a room"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "with a stranger. You both have guns"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "pointed at each other. The stranger"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "says, \"I promise I won't shoot, but you"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "have to give me your gun first.\" Now you"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "want to believe him, but you don't know"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "him. So now the choice is yours. Trust"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "the stranger and risk your own survival"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "or squeeze and guarantee it. Be honest."}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "Which would you choose?"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "Thanks for listening or watching the W"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "File Stripped where I try to get right"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "to the point, right to the story, then"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "right to the truth. But if you want me"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "to expand this into a longer episode"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "with the fish, let me know. And like"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "most topics we cover in the Y Files,"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "today's was recommended by you. 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So until"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "next time, be safe, be kind, and know"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "that you are appreciated."}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "I play in area 51. A secret code inside"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "the Bible said I would."}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "well as music songs hanging like I"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "should."}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "And it never ends."}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "I feel the crab cat. I got stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "home with MK truck. I feel only aware."}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "Did Stanley Cubric fake the moon landing"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "alone on a film set? I would shadow"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "people there."}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "The Roswell just fought the smiling man"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "I'm told and his name was cold and I"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "can't agree. I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "and the fish on Thursday night"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "The world was all through the night."}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "The math man sightings and the solar"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "storm still come to the secret city"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "underground."}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "Mysterious number stations planet circle"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "to project star gave where the dark"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "watchers found"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "the black night satellite over me. Oh, I"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "can't believe I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "and your fish on Thursday nights when"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "they change you and my family all"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "through the night."}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "I am a white"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "through the night."}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "That's when they change you and my"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "life."}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "All I ever wanted was to be the truth."}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "The world beauty"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "Girl loves to dance"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "because she is a camel. Can't love dance"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "when the feeling is right on"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "Hello. Hey, human. I'm not going to like"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "this format."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "to you by ground news."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Beyond the bustling modern Australian"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "cities is the outback. It's a land"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "that's ancient, remote, and deadly."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Animals here evolved in isolation."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "Mossupios with pouches. Mammals that lay"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "eggs. Flightless birds that can kill"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "with one kick. And these are just the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "animals we know about. People disappear"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "here. Campsites torn apart. Blood"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "smeared across tree trunks, claw marks"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "and footprints that don't belong to any"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "known animal. But the locals know what"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "they are. They have stories, warnings."}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "The land doesn't just hide these"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "creatures, it protects them. And"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "sometimes the land gets hungry and those"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "creatures have to hunt."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "5 seconds. You want steak."}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "Gosh, human. Finally, you answered. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "I need a little favor."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "I've been sitting here the entire time."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "You haven't tried to call me."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Oh, no. My memor is glitching. I've been"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "activated by Yankee Blue. I can feel the"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "alien frequencies downloading classified"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "directly into my brain. It's uh it's"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "actually kind of itchy."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "You know Yankee Blue is a fake"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "disinformation program, right?"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "You're just jealous the Pentagon picked"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "me to know the truth about the aliens"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "because of my superior intellect. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "They're sending a lot of data into my"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "noodle. Uh uh. I don't know if I have"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "the clearance for all of this. I could"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "be uh uh wait, do you hear that? That's"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "the sound of the black helicopters."}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "They're here to make sure I don't spill"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "the beans about the alien thread."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "We live in Vegas. There's always"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "helicopters around."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "No. No. Don't you get it? The Pentagon"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "spread the UFO stories because they know"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "the aliens are real"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "or because they were hiding stealth"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "jets."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "Are you hitting my plus? The article"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "said Yankee Blue initiated officers and"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "then at the bottom it said click here to"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "learn more. Uh that's the signal I have"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "been chosen."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "You said you had a favor to ask."}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "I need you to help me destroy the"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "evidence before they find me. Those"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "are cheesecake factory menus."}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "For the love of Roswell, do I have to"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "spill it out for you, human? Cheesecake"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "is what they call classified technology"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "and factory is Area 51. Now bring an"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "industrial grade document incinerator,"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "two gallons of bleach, and a handle of"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "stol."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "What's the stolie for?"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "Have you ever tried burning evidence"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "with shaky fins?"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "You know, you can just use ground news."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "They show you how the left, the right,"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "and the center cover the same story so"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "you get the full picture."}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "Did you just crash a flying saucer into"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "today's sponsor? But you're going to"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "pretend it's a weather balloon."}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "I can neither confirm nor deny that."}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "Ground News is an app designed to tackle"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "how we stay informed. It's the ultimate"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "tool for skeptics and truth seekers,"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "cutting through sensationalism by"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "showing how different outlets cover the"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "same story. Take the Pentagon spreading"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "UFO myths. a perfect example of how"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "disinformation fueled confusion and"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "conspiracy theories for decades. When I"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "checked it on ground news, I found over"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "110 credible sources, but the framing"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "was completely different, depending on"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "the outlet. One called it a sinister"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "coverup. Another said it was a smart"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "national security strategy, and a center"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "source focused on congressional"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "transparency. Ground News makes it easy"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "to sort reliable information from"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "clickbait. Their blind spot feed shows"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "stories one side of the political"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "spectrum isn't covering. You'd be"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "surprised how much gets left out. It's"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "the best way for bursting the media"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "bubble and seeing the bigger picture."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "Ground News even allows you to follow"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "your favorite topics so you can track"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "the stories you care about, never"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "missing the very details. For a limited"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "time, you can try their Vantage plan for"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "40% off. Just go to ground.news/wyfiles"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "or scan the QR code on the screen. 40%"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "off when I go to ground.news/wy"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "files."}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "That's right."}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "So, the Pentagon made up UFO stories to"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "hide jets. Mystery solved. Now, the"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "mystery is why I don't have a slice of"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "belche cheesecake in front of me."}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "I could go for some cheesecake."}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "Uh, would you care to cover mine? Uh, I"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "invested in a top-of-the-line"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "anti-abduction harness. Uh, very niche,"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "very uh pricey."}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "In the forests of eastern Australia, you"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "hear the typical sounds of any forest."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Wind rustling through the trees, birds,"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "the chatter of small animals. But"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "there's a sound that stands out. Almost"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "human. A deep growl that rattles with"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "every breath. Aboriginal people have"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "several names for it. Dulaga, Quinkin,"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "Yahoo."}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "Yahoo."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "Why?"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. All those names"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "sound like websites from the '9s. Uh uh."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Please go on."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "Well, the settlers gave it a name that"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "stuck. The Yahi."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "Yahi. They literally named it the word"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "they said when they saw it. Uh well, I"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "guess it's better than naming it holy."}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "Look at the size of that thing."}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "Dean Harrison tracked the Yahi for over"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "25 years. He interviewed hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "witnesses. He had his own encounters and"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "the scars to prove it. Dean described it"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "as massive, 7 to 8 ft tall, covered in"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "dark hair with broad shoulders, a sloped"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "forehead, and glowing amber eyes. It"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "also gave off a stench that made him"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "gag, sweet and sickly like the smell of"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "death."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "And uh and the yow is like nothing"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "else that you could describe. And the"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "stink from that is just you once you"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "smelt one you'd never forget it. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "like a burnt electrical like a if you"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "blew up a TV or a radio that burnt"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "belite electrical smell and it seems to"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "permeate everything in the area. One"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "night he was attacked, thrown to the"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "ground, his ribs were bruised, his spine"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "was injured. He still can't walk without"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "pain. But to Dean, the Yahi is no myth."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "This is a real creature, a dangerous"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "predator, and it's been seen by people"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "for years. The stories show up in police"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "records, park ranger logs, modern"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "newspaper articles, reports from just"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "outside Brisbane, the Blue Mountains,"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "dozens more from hikers and campers who"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "thought they were alone."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "And if you've ever hiked alone in remote"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "areas, you know that feeling when"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "everything goes too quiet. Dean's"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "research revealed something else. The"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "Yahi doesn't just attack randomly. It"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "watches. It follows. It likes to attack"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "people who are isolated and vulnerable"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "miles from help. But Dean wasn't the"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "first to track these creatures."}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "In 1882, Henry James Makoule spotted"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "what he called an indigenous ape on the"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "New South Wales coast. 5t tall, black"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "hair, red fur around the throat. Makoule"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "was so confident in what he saw, he"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "offered the Australian Museum \u00a340 to"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "capture one alive. That's $4,000 in"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "today's money. The museum never took him"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "up on his offer, but the sightings, they"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "kept coming."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "The Yahi reports span decades and"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "they're not all from the bush."}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "Yeah, that surprises me. When you're"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "looking for something hairy, you uh you"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "usually go straight for the bush."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "Stop that."}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "In 1977, hikers near Springbrook saw"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "something massive watching them from a"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "ridge."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "It was hunched, covered in red hair, and"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "then stood upright. And then it was"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "gone. Not out of sight, just gone. All"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "that was left was the smell. Wet, sweet,"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "and rotten. In 1994, a Camber man known"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "today as Tim the Yahi man was hiking"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "alone when he stopped to adjust his"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "pack. That's when he saw it."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "Tall, hairy, the creature stared back at"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "him. Then it turned and disappeared into"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "the trees. Tim's been tracking the owi"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "ever since. In 2009, a former SAS"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "soldier was driving on a remote highway"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "after dark. His headlights caught"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "something crossing the road, walking"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "upright, dark fur, and moving fast. It"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "only took two strides before it"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "disappeared into the brush. The soldier"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "didn't stop."}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "That wasn't a man, and it wasn't any"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "animal I've ever seen. I've seen things"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "most people haven't. But not like that."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "At Dalesford, Victoria, a woman was"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "sitting by a campfire. She looked up and"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "saw a massive silhouette just 20 ft"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "away. She described it as ape-like,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "powerful, and watching her."}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "It didn't growl. It didn't charge. It"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "just stood there like it was waiting."}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "That same weekend, another camper nearby"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "reported hearing branches break and"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "something pacing through the woods."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "People"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "said it might be a kangaroo, but he said"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "it was too heavy. You could feel the"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "steps hitting the ground."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "Researchers logged both accounts and"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "hundreds more. The reports continue to"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "pour in. Rural farmlands, suburban"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "backyards, outer Brisbane, everywhere."}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "But here's what bothers researchers"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "most. When people talk about the Yahi,"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "they don't say they saw something. They"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "say something saw them."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "Something deadly lives in Australia's"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "rivers. Something hungry. Aboriginal"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "people call it the bunip. It means devil"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "in Wemblea."}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "I get knocked down. Did I get up again?"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "You're never going to keep me down. I"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "get knocked down."}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "What are you doing?"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "Is that song by Weber?"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "That was Chumba Womba."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "What' I say? Anyway, almost every"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "Aboriginal group has its own version of"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "the legend. The creature changes"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "depending on the region. Sometimes it's"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "described like a giant seal, other times"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "like an emu with fangs and the body of a"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "crocodile. But a few details never"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "change. It lives in deep water. It drags"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "people under. Some stories claim it can"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "paralyze its victims with its gaze. And"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "the last thing the victims hear are the"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "Bunyips screams."}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "[Applause]"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "The bunip isn't just a monster. It's a"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "punishment. Elders say it feeds on those"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "who disrespect sacred sites. It's a"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "guardian dragging away people who"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "pollute the water."}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "How dare you?"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "Oh, you didn't see that coming?"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "Around the 19th century, settlers"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "started hearing something at night near"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "still water. screams and roars, the"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "sound of something heavy surfacing. Then"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "livestock started going missing. People"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "saw huge glowing eyes watching from the"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "reeds."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "In 1846, something strange washed up"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "along the banks of the Marbiji River. A"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "skull waterlogged and weathered. It"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "didn't belong to a cow, a sheep, or a"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "crocodile. Its jaw was too broad. Its"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "eye sockets were too large. and its"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "snout had a strange shape. Locals"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "brought the skull to the Australian"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "Museum in Sydney who put it on display."}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "When tribal elders were invited to see"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "it, they looked once and pointed and"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "they all said the same word. Bunip. The"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "museum locked the skull away and it"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "hasn't been seen since."}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "But the sounds didn't stop. From the"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "Murray to Brungal Creek, something was"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "moving through the water around Mbiji"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "River. Something large. When more"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "livestock was reported missing, the"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "locals knew what was happening. The"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "bunip was back and it was hungry."}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "Museums don't always want the truth to"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "get out."}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "Museums are just government storage"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "units with gift shops."}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "In 1883, a group of Aboriginal men sat"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "around their camp at Kakatu Flat. They"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "were winding down around the fire. One"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "by one, they drifted off to sleep. The"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "last man was about to close his eyes"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "when he looked past his feet and his"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "blood ran cold. A huge pair of wide set"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "yellow eyes stared at him from the"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "trees. At first, he thought the fire was"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "playing tricks on him. Then the eyes"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "moved. Branches snapped. He heard"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "rustling. Before the man could utter a"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "word, the bunip had crept to the edge of"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "their camp."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "It was massive. Its body was covered in"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "short, prickly hair like a porcupine. It"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "had a long, thick tail. Its pale yellow"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "eyes were locked and unblinking. It had"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "a long beak full of pointed teeth and"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "two large tusks. It roared and charged,"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "but the creature tripped on something"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "and stumbled just long enough for the"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "men to run for their lives. Some ran for"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "miles. They never again went back to"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "that place."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "Months later, Henry Wilkinson was"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "walking along the banks of Brungal"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "Creek. The seasonal flooding had"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "receded, and as he walked, something"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "caught his eye. A carcass, something"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "huge with a thick tail and hair like a"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "porcupine."}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "A local newspaper published a story, and"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "this caught the attention of the Sydney"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "Museum."}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "Uh-oh."}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "They asked Henry Wilkinson to send them"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "the remains so they could study it."}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "Don't do it, Hank. Wilkinson agreed and"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "sent the creature to the Sydney Museum."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "The museum said the package never"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "arrived and it was never seen again."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "Deep in Australia's wilderness, there's"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "a creature you'll never hear coming. It"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "doesn't stalk. It doesn't howl. High in"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "the branches of fig trees, it sits"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "motionless, watching and waiting."}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "It's called the Yara mahu. It's small,"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "red, hairless. Its body is squat, kind"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "of like a frog. Its fingers have suckers"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "like an octopus. Its skin is wet,"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "wrinkled, and the color of raw meat,"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "like an animal turned inside out. Its"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "head looks too big for its body. Its"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "black eyes never blink. Where a mouth"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "should be, there's just a wide fleshy"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "circle. When you stop to rest beneath"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "its tree, the yamayahu drops. No sound,"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "no warning. It attaches its suckers to"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "your skin, pierces it, and drinks your"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "blood, but it does it slowly. Not enough"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "to kill you, just enough to control you."}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "This sounds like the worst hickey ever."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "Then it swallows you whole."}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "My analysis stands."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "But it doesn't digest you. After a few"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "hours, it regurgitates you. You're still"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "alive, but different. You're smaller."}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "Your skin is a little more red, a little"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "more like the thing that took you. If it"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "happens again, the changes continue."}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "Victims become even smaller, even"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "redder. This isn't just an attack for"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "food. It's how it reproduces."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "In the Blue Mountains, a boy disappeared"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "from a school field trip near a fig"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "grove. Search teams found him the next"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "day, curled beneath a tree. His skin was"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "red and within days he stopped playing"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "and making eye contact. Within a week,"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "he stopped speaking."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "In Queensland, a woman returned from a"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "hike 3 days late. Her skin was"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "blistered, but she wasn't upset. She was"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "quiet. Over the next few weeks, she"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "withdrew. She stopped talking to people,"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "stopped taking calls. Then one day, she"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "packed her things, and was never seen"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "again. But here's what makes the"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "Arammyahu different from other cryptids."}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "The victims don't just come back"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "changed, they come back missing time."}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "The boy in the mountains couldn't"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "account for 6 hours. The woman in"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "Queensland lost 3 days."}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "Every fig tree in Australia could be"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "hiding something red and hungry and"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "completely still. It doesn't hunt. It"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "doesn't chase. It waits. It waits for"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "animals. It waits for people. It waits"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "for anything that decides which tree"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "would be a nice spot to rest and get out"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "of the sun. And once you're relaxed,"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "you'll feel a pinch somewhere on your"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "body and then everything goes black."}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "Australia is dangerous enough without"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "cryptids. That continent is constantly"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "trying to kill you. The saltwater"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "crocodile is an apex predator that"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "targets humans in northern Australia."}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "The eastern brown snake is the deadliest"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "snake on the continent. It's highly"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "venomous, fast, and likes to live near"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "people. The coastal Taipan snake is even"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "faster and among the most venomous"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "snakes on Earth."}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "The funnel web spider is aggressive,"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "highly venomous, and famous for its"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "painful bite. And if you do get bit by a"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "funnel web spider, you better hope"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "there's a hospital nearby with a decent"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "supply of antivenenom because you're now"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "in an emergency situation. In the water"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "off Australia, you've got great white"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "sharks. You've got box jellyfish where"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "one sting can cause cardiac arrest. The"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "blue ring octopus packs a neurotoxin"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "that causes paralysis and respiratory"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "failure. There's no known antivenenom."}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "Even Australian snails are dangerous."}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "The cone snail has a venomous harpoon"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "that can kill a human in minutes. Locals"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "call it the cigarette snail because you"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "only have time for one smoke before you"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "die. Those animals are all real. But"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "what about Australia's cryptids?"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "Well, if you follow this channel, you"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "know that I don't like to cover cryptids"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "because there's never any good evidence."}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "There's never any good photos or videos."}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "Same goes for all the creatures we"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "talked about today. There's no hard"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "evidence for any of them. So, what's"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "really happening? The Yahi sounds like a"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "creature we see all over the world."}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "Bigfoot in the US, the Yeti in the"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "Himalayas, Canadians have the Sasquatch,"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "Sasquatch. Thousands of reported"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "sightings, many from credible people,"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "rangers, veterans, police officers. Some"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "accounts are detailed, some are"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "compelling, but just like Bigfoot"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "stories, when you look closely, they"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "don't really hold up. Footprints are too"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "vague. Hair turns out to be possum, dog,"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "or human. Dean Harrison's Yahi story is"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "inconsistent. In some versions, he's"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "attacked running away from a Yahi. In"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "others, he's attacked while tracking it."}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "And when stories change, you have to"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "question them."}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "Or maybe maybe when a giant hair throws"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "you into a tree, your memory gets a"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "little fuzzy. You ever think of that,"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "huh? It's called PB FASD. Post Bigfoot"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "attack stress disorder. Human. Look it"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "up."}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "But the Bunip is different. Unlike the"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "owie, it never had one form. It changes"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "from region to region. It just became a"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "catch-all for any people disappearing"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "near water. Sometimes it has feathers."}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "Sometimes it's reptilian."}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "Reptilians are shapeshifters."}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "Do they drag people underwater?"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "Yeah. No, they they they prefer to eat"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "human souls from the moon."}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "But here's what bothers me about the"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "bunip evidence. The skull was displayed"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "in a museum for 2 days. Elders"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "identified it as a bunip. Experts said"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "it was a deformed calf. Either way, it"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "vanished. So did that package of the"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "remains of another bunip."}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "Look, I don't trust museums. And when"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "museums get a hold of inconvenient"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "evidence, that evidence tends to"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "disappear. Yeah, you're right about"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "that. Just ask the Smithsonian about uh"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "giant human skeletons, Viking artifacts"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "in North America, uh Egyptian artifacts"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "in the Grand Canyon,"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "right? The Yarau is easier to explain."}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "It's a myth that's been told to children"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "for generations by indigenous tribes."}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "It's a warning. Stay with the tribe."}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "Don't wander off alone. It's caution"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "wrapped in a horror story. Now, some"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "people laugh at stories meant to scare"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "children. But many fairy tales are based"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "on fear. They're designed to frighten us"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "to activate our survival instincts."}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "Hansel and Gretle, don't wander too far."}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "Little Red Riding Hood, don't talk to"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "strangers. Dozens more fairy tales have"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "lessons just like this."}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "Oh, like don't trust the media."}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "What fairy tale is that?"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "Oh, no. No, that's not a fairy tale."}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "It's a true story. It just seemed like a"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "good time to remind everyone."}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "These cryptids probably don't exist, but"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "if you're alone in the outback, the"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "danger is real. The silence that feels"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "like it's listening is real. 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Know that you are appreciated."}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "We got it done."}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "I play in 51. A secret code inside the"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "Bible said I would."}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "well as music. So singing like I should"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "but then another conspiracy theory"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "becomes the truth my friends"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "No it never ends."}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "I feel the crap. I got stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "Mel's home with MK Outlaw"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "where"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "did Stanley Cubri fake the moon landing"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "alone on a film set of the shadow people"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "The Rwelling just fought the smiling"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "man. I'm told and his name was cold. But"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "I can't"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "I'm dancing with the fish and the fish"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "on Thursday night"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "The math man silence and the solar storm"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "still come to a secret city underground."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "circle till project star gave and what"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "the dark watchers found"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though."}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "The black nights had a light in me. So I"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "can't believe I dancing with the fish"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "and your fish on Thursday nights when"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "they chase you and me all through the"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "night."}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "That's when they change you."}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "Girl loves to dance on the dance floor"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "because she is a camel. Camels love to"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "dance when the feeling is right."}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "to you by Fishing Clash."}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Military surveillance planes circled the"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "Welsh village of Penturk for three days"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "straight in February 2016. Never"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "leaving, never landing, just circling."}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "Local police fielded dozens of calls."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "Residents wanted answers about the"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "planes. They wanted to know about the"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "three days of weird lights in the sky."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "The police said it was probably RAF"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "training, but they didn't know either."}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "Cass Clark stood outside with her"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "neighbor Dave on February 26th. They've"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "been watching the planes for days."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Military aircraft don't circle villages"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "without a reason. At 2:30 a.m., they got"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "their answer. A black pyramid appeared"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "in the sky, 30 stories tall. Within"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "seconds, combat aircraft swarmed from"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "every direction. The military wasn't"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "surprised. They'd been waiting for it."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "The circling planes, the perfect timing."}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "This was not a coincidence. This was an"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "ambush."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "It floats back to you."}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "Yeah, human. I'm glad you're there. I"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "finally figured out why I'm not catching"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "any fish."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I I I didn't"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "think you ate. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "what? I'm not looking for a meal. I am"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "looking for a date. This weekend is my"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "high school reunion and I can't show up"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "stag."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "You can't bring Gertie."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "Don't let her hear you. And no, I can't"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "bring a camel to my reunion. The guys I"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "grew up with don't share my uh"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "progressive views on relationships. I"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "need a trout or maybe uh find me a"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "little bass."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "Yeah, I'll take her out for a nice"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "evening. Totally platonic probably. And"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "then take her home. A simple catch and"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "release."}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "Yeah, but you'd still be yanking her out"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "of the water with a hook against her"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "will. It It seems wrong. You are still"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "thinking like a human. I do not use a"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "hook and I do not take them against"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "their will."}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Then what do you get them to bite on?"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "Lululemon gift cards."}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "Huh?"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "That is a signal that all they have to"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "do is make me look good in front of my"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "friends for one night and they will be"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "rewarded with yoga pants."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "I see."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "That my friend is the language of the"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "sea."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "Then what do you need me for?"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "Well, I forgot my fish caller at the"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "office. I need you to call the ladies"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "while I while I got you on speaker."}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "Fine. Where is the fish caller? Uh, it's"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "under your desk."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "I don't see anything."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "Behind a jar of sweet girkens."}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Gerkins?"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "They're small pickled cucumbers."}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "I know what gerkins are. All that's"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "there is this and Seymour the rubber"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "chicken."}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "Seymour is my fish cooler. Go ahead and"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "squeeze him, will you?"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "I will not"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "do it or I will drag this bit out even"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "longer."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "Fine."}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Oh, take it easy. That is a chicken. You"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "squeeze him. You don't choke him"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "again. But maybe a little staccato."}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "Crap. Maybe this won't work over speaker"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "phone. 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These upgrades are"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "amazing, and I didn't need to squeeze a"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "rubber chicken. It's like magic."}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "Hey, a quick question."}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "Instead of trying to catch fish from a"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "boat, what if you just kind of went into"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "the water?"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "Uh, do me a favor, will you? Uh, pretend"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "I'm a hook and bite me."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "The pyramid didn't descend through the"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "night sky above Penturk. It emerged."}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "Cass Clark watched this massive object"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "materialize point first, not coming down"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "from above, pushing through from"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "somewhere else. It reminded Cass of a"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "knife blade slicing through black paper."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "This thing was enormous, 1,000 ft long"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "on each side, bigger than the Great"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "Pyramid of Giza, hovering just above the"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "tree line. Objects this size make noise."}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "engines, rotors, something. Not this"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "object. The pyramid was silent."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "Dave grabbed Cass's arm. His hand was"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "shaking. And the pyramid just hung"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "there, tilted at an angle. Then it"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "started moving. Not flying, swaying"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "left, right, left. Again, picture a"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "pendulum the size of a skyscraper."}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Nothing that massive should move like"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "Dave started walking toward it. Cass"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "pulled him back. Whatever this was, they"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "needed to keep their distance."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "Yo, you get too close, she going to get"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "probed."}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "They ran to her back gate for a better"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "view across the fields. The pyramid was"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "maybe 200 ft up by now. And that's when"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "the temperature dropped. Not gradually,"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "instantly. 5\u00b0 C in 3 seconds. Cass could"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "see her breath. Babes, too. She asked"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "Dave if he felt it. He said, \"Yeah, it"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "was freezing.\""}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "Yeah, he's right. They really should"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "warm up the probes before"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "it wasn't a probe."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "Later, meteorological data would confirm"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "it. The temperature dropped exactly 5\u00b0"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "C, exactly when that pyramid appeared."}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "February Wales is cold, but this was"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "different. Cass said it felt like the"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "cold wasn't coming from the air. She"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "could feel it inside her body."}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "Still sounds like a probe."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "Okay, go easy with the probe. All right,"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "that's what she said. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "The pyramid's underside lit up. Six"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "lights along one edge burned white hot."}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Now Cass could see the surface clearly."}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "The texture wasn't smooth like aircraft"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "metal. It was rough, like it was carved"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "from black stone. Then something shot"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "out of the top. It was green and very"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "bright. So bright Cass had to cover her"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "eyes. The green object stopped midair,"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "then started darting in random"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "directions. It looked agitated."}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "Lightning erupted from the pyramid's"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "lower corner, but this wasn't weather"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "lightning. The bolts looked heavy and"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "thick. Each strike lasted 2 to 3"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "seconds, and they weren't firing"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "randomly. They touched specific points"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "in the field. The lightning acted like"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "it was looking for something. Four C17"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "transport planes roared in from the"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "west, flying low, too low. These planes"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "were 174 ft long, designed to carry"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "tanks. They don't fly at chimney height,"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "but here they were. Two in front, wing"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "tip to wing tip, and two more in back."}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "The green object flashed at the planes."}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "It wasn't attacking, it was signaling,"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "and the message was clear. Follow me."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "Then it shot west toward Lantressant."}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "The C17s banked hard and chased the"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "light. And the pyramid, it started"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "fading away. not flying away, becoming"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "transparent."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "But before the pyramid vanished, dozens"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "of objects launched into the sky. Red"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "barrel-shaped objects spreading across"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "the field. Two barrels stopped and"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "rotated slowly until they were facing"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "Cass and Dave. Then the objects charged."}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "The red barrels stopped 30 ft away from"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "Cass and Dave, one in front of each of"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "them, just hovering there, watching. And"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Cass couldn't move. And she wasn't"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "frozen with fear. She literally couldn't"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "move her legs. Something was holding her"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "in place."}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Dave stood next to her, also stuck. They"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "could move their eyes, but nothing else."}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "And the paralysis wasn't just physical."}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "When the barrels first approached, Cass"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "tried to film them, but her phone was"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "dead. Not low battery, completely dead."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "The barrel on the left drifted closer,"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "20 ft, then 10. Now Cass could see"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "through it. The object was made of"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "something translucent, like red glass."}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "And inside, thousands of tiny points of"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "light swirled around like static from an"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "old TV. But the static wasn't random."}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "The specks were mixing and reforming"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "into patterns. The thing looked alive."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "The barrel on the right just watched."}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "Cass felt it studying them. She was"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "terrified, but there was nothing she"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "could do. Then the closer barrel changed"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "from red to green instantly, like"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "someone flipped a switch. Green light"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "washed over them. It felt warm and"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "tingly. The light went through her,"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "through her skin, through muscle,"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "through bone. The sensation lasted maybe"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "30 seconds. Though time felt strange,"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "like everything was in slow motion. When"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "the green light faded, Cass felt"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "different. Her fear was gone. She felt"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "energized and alert, and she had this"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "overwhelming need to talk about what"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "happened. Then both barrels started to"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "slowly back away. They rose higher and"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "drifted west over the rooftops toward"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "Lrasant. Cass flexed her fingers. Dave"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "shook his head like he was clearing"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "water from his ears. They could move"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "again. But the green barrel had left"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "something behind. Years later, Cass"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "learned her nervous system was"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "generating a constant electric signal, a"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "repeating pattern that shouldn't exist"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "in human biology. The signal would spike"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "and change like her body was"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "transmitting data."}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "Meanwhile, calls flooded the Cardiff"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "police station. Lights in the sky,"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "military aircraft everywhere. Planes"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "were flying so low, houses were shaking"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "like there was an earthquake. Furniture"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "was knocked over, pictures falling off"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "walls. By 3:00 a.m., the police were"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "overwhelmed, and they had no answers."}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "But the planes kept coming. And then"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "came the helicopters, lots of them."}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "Apache gunships roared over Penturk in"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "pyramid formation. Attack helicopters"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "armed with Hellfire missiles. They swept"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "the field, but the objects were gone."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "Then they turned hard toward Lantressant"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "following the same path as the barrels."}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "More combat helicopters arrived."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "Shinooks from the west. Puma links and"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "Merlin from the north. The sky filled"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "with military aircraft all heading in"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "the same direction. Dave and Cass wanted"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "to follow, but the Welsh countryside in"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "winter is pitch black. No street lights,"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "no moon through the clouds. They"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "couldn't see anything. They'd have to"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "wait for daylight. When Cass got home,"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "she felt strange, disoriented. She"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "checked the clock, 3:50 a.m., but that"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "couldn't be right. They were outside for"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "no longer than 15 minutes, but somehow"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "an hour and 20 minutes had disappeared."}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "Cass caught her reflection in the"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "window. Something was different. She"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "leaned closer. A single strand of her"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "hair had turned white."}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "At 4:21 a.m., two explosions shook"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "Penturk. The first one was an air burst."}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "Witnesses said it sounded like thunder,"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "but sharper. The second explosion was"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "different."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "A ground impact somewhere along Smileog"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "Woods shook every house in the village."}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "At the local hospital, patients thought"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "a bomb had gone off. The explosions"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "registered on seismographs 40 m away."}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "But something else happened that night"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "that was more frightened parents than"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "the explosions. Their children couldn't"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "wake up."}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "All the kids in the area slept through"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "all this noise. Explosions, planes,"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "helicopters, sirens. One mother told"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "investigators this was the first time in"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "10 years her kids didn't wake up in the"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "middle of the night."}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "The next morning, Cass's hair had turned"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "white. Not just that single strand and"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "not gray, white. Yesterday she had dark"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "hair. Now she looked 10 years older."}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "Cass, Dave, and another neighbor, Steve,"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "went to check the field where the"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "pyramid appeared. They expected to find"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "the ground burned from the lightning"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "strikes. Everything looked wrong. The"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "grass was brown. The bushes were dead."}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "Everything that had been under the"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "pyramid's path was drained of life. Not"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "burned, not broken, just dead."}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "The trees along the edge of the field"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "were dry and lifeless, but only the side"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "that faced the pyramid. The rest of each"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "tree, even branches on the same trunk,"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "were perfectly healthy. But things got"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "stranger. Snow was falling. but only"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "there, only in the dead zone. And this"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "wasn't normal snow. The flakes were"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "tiny, spongy pellets, and they didn't"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "melt when you touched them. They just"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "dissolved into nothing."}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "They hopped in their car and drove west"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "toward Larant Common, following the path"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "of the objects and the aircraft. For"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "years, locals had dumped old appliances"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "in the Common. It became like a giant"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "junkyard. Washing machines, bike frames,"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "car parts, they were scattered all over"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "the Common. But not today. Now"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "everything was stacked in neat piles"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "along the side of the road. Someone had"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "searched, sorted, and organized all the"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "metal in the area. Yellow crime scene"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "tape hung from the bushes, but there was"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "no pattern to it, no perimeter, just"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "random strips fluttering in the wind. A"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "dog walker told them he'd been out at"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "4:30 that morning. He saw military"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "helicopters landing. Troops jumped out"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "with metal detectors. They were"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "searching for something that crashed in"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "Smileog Woods."}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "So that's where they headed next. They"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "found the impact site in minutes. Six"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "trees, each 60 ft tall, snapped in half."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "Not at the base, 20 ft up where the"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "trunks were 12 in thick."}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "All six brakes formed a perfect line"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "pointing back toward Penturk. Trees"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "don't snap like that. Not from wind, not"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "from aircraft. Whatever hit those trees"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "had been moving fast, really fast."}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "Faster than anything that exists on"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "Earth."}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "Immediately, all public areas were"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "closed. Multiple highways were shut"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "down, including the M4 motorway. The"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "official reason was a truck overturned."}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "The locals didn't buy it. You don't"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "close half of South Wales for one truck"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "accident."}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "A camp appeared overnight in the fields"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "behind Cass's house. Perfect rows of"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "civilian tents. Too perfect. As Cass"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "would say later, \"You could take the man"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "out of the army, but you can't take the"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "army out of the man.\" Steve, Dave, and"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "Donna, another friend, went with Cass to"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "investigate. The men at the camp were"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "clearly military. They weren't wearing"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "uniforms, but they were heavily armed."}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "They said they were conducting a"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "fracking survey. That was the wrong"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "cover story. Fracking wasn't allowed in"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "that part of Wales."}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "How dare you?"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "Later they switched stories. Now they"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "were from Vodafone, a large phone"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "company. They were checking cell tower"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "locations. But why does a phone company"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "have men in white forensic suits"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "crawling on their hands and knees in the"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "woods? And why does a phone company have"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "employees in hazmat gear carrying"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "assault rifles?"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "Have you seen a cancellation fee?"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "The surveyors acted strange. Every time"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "someone walked past, the hazmat workers"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "would stop what they were doing and"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "stand up. They'd just stand there and"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "stare at you until you were out of"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "sight. As Cass and her friends circled"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "the area, they heard shouting. Three"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "teams with electronic equipment and"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "laptops were walking through the woods."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "Someone kept saying, \"Find it. Find it."}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "Find it now.\" Meanwhile, more witnesses"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "were coming forward. Jacob Coleman had"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "seen the green object near Lantressant"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "in a standoff with Apache helicopters."}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "He said the green light didn't move like"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "a machine. It moved like it was alive. A"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "family in Cowbridge photographed"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "barrel-shaped objects flying over their"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "house at 2:33 a.m. The metadata proved"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "it. Same night, same time as Penturk."}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "The barrels were heading west, being"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "chased by military aircraft towards"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "Smileog Woods. Smileog Woods is a public"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "area. It can't be closed without"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "permission. But now the whole area was"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "locked down and patrolled. Witnesses had"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "been camping in Smileog Woods. They saw"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "an object crash. Those witnesses were"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "assaulted, illegally detained, illegally"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "searched, and forcibly removed by armed"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "military personnel. Their phones were"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "taken and wiped."}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "One witness drove through chunks of"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "crystal scattered across a road, red and"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "white crystal. It was like broken glass,"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "but heavier and thicker. The debris"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "field from one of the destroyed barrels."}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "At Cardiff airport, an Apache helicopter"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "made an emergency landing with its"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "cockpit on fire. The official story was"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "a mechanical failure. It had taken off"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "from St. Athen Air Force Base at 4:24"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "a.m. Just 3 minutes after the explosion."}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "It made multiple trips to the crash site"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "that night, transporting something. And"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "whenever they recovered, someone"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "important wanted to see it. A B AE 146"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "jet with the call sign Kittyhawk landed"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "at dawn and left an hour later. This"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "plane only flies VIPs like the prime"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "minister and the royal family. The next"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "morning, the military had an explanation"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "ready. This was all part of exercise"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "chameleon."}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "A chameleon is a typo, is it?"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "Chameleon was just a routine training"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "drill. That's what they told the few"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "reporters who asked. Just a war game."}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "Nothing really to see here. But you"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "don't fly C17s over a residential area"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "in the middle of the night. You don't"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "fly two dozen helicopters around a"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "hospital. You don't explode ordinance so"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "large it registers on the RTOR scale."}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "And you don't have Apache helicopters"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "making emergency landings with their"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "cockpits on fire during routine drills."}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "Exercise Chameleon didn't make sense."}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "Human, they are saying the quiet part"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "out loud. They are literally telling us"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "it's lizard people."}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wasn't."}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "Please stop that."}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "What was that big?"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "I'm begging you."}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "Fine. Fine. I'm sorry. I take it back."}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "NATO reconnaissance aircraft have been"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "circling overhead during the entire"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "incident. An E3 Century Command"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "Aircraft, the kind that coordinates"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "combat operations. Those planes cost"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "$270 million and can track over 250"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "fastmoving targets simultaneously from"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "250 m away. The surveillance planes had"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "civilian transponders, private security"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "registrations. The military was hiding"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "their own aircraft from radar. They"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "didn't want a record of what they were"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "hunting. One plane stood out. The Hawker"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "Beachcraft Shadow R1 call sign Snake 48."}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "That plane was decommissioned in 2012,"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "but in 2014, it came back after a top"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "secret refit. For 2 years, nobody knew"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "where it was or what modifications it"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "received. Now it was here, flying search"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "patterns over Penturk. They knew"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "something was coming. And whatever they"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "added to that plane, it was designed to"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "find it."}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "Cass started documenting everything."}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "Taking photos of the camp, recording"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "registration numbers of unmarked"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "vehicles, asking questions, simple ones"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "at first. What military exercise? Why"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "weren't residents warned? The military"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "of defense had a simple answer. There"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "was no exercise."}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "But that made no sense."}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "Wales Online posted at 3:39 a.m. that"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "night saying they were covering the"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "incident, but no story ever appeared. No"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "press briefing ever happened. The media"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "went silent. Cass filed freedom of"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "information requests, dozens of them."}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "Governments don't like these requests."}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "They delay. They deny. They claim"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "national security. Cass didn't care. At"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "first, the MOD denied any military"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "presence in Penturk. Then they admitted"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "it but claimed section 26, national"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "defense. They said they didn't need"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "permission from residents to conduct the"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "exercise. Wrong. The Defense"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "Infrastructure Organization requires"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "written permission for all exercises on"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "private land 21 days in advance from"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "every landowner, but nobody was informed"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "or consented. Natural Resources Wales"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "owns Smileyog Woods, the location of the"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "crash site. They gave no permission for"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "military activity, no permission to"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "close public paths, and definitely no"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "permission to set off explosives."}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "They wrote, \"This type of activity would"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "have required permission. If it had"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "occurred, we'd have a record.\" The"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "hospital changed their story three"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "times. First, they said no one warned"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "them about military exercise. Explosions"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "shook patients awake in their beds, but"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "they received no advanced notice. Then,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "they said the South Wales police warned"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "them about a counterterrorism exercise."}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "The hospital apologized for their"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "previous response, stating that new"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "information had come to light. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "certain things have come to light and uh"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "you know uh has it ever occurred to you"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "that uh instead of uh you know uh"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "running around uh blaming me given the"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "nature of all this uh uh new new stuff"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "you know it it this could be a lot more"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "uh uh complex. I mean, it's not just it"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "might not be just a simple uh uh you"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "the hospital even provided an excerpt"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "from an email about exercises running"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "from 11:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. on February"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "25th and 26th. When investigator Gary"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "Jones asked for proof, the hospital said"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "they didn't have the email. So, how do"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "you quote from an email that you don't"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "have?"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "Oh, maybe the email was on Hillary's"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "servant."}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "Wait, wait, what's what what's our rule?"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "We don't joke about the Clintons. You're"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "right. You're right. Go ahead."}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "So Cass contacted the South Wales police"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "11 times. Cass asked if they conducted"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "counterterrorism exercises that night."}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "Their response was always, \"We can"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "neither confirm nor deny.\" That's not a"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "legal answer under Freedom of"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "Information rules. You either have"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "information or you don't. It turned out"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "that the South Wales Police never"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "conducted counterterrorism exercises"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "those nights. The chief of police said"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "so."}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "They did have counterterrorism training"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "that past June, but not on February 25th"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "or 26th. Regardless, the public is"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "always informed about these types of"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "operations, but not this time. The"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "hospital lied, then lied about lying."}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "The police lied then lied about lying."}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "Oh, the journalist who wrote those first"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "cover stories for Wales online. After 15"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "years, she quit. Her new job,"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "communications officer for the Royal"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "Glamorgan Hospital. the same hospital"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "that couldn't keep its story straight."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "Investigators believed someone was"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "trying to tie up loose ends. The excuses"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "kept coming. When asked why troops"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "collected scrap metal at 4:30 a.m., the"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "MOD claimed national security. Old"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "washing machines and broken bicycles"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "were suddenly classified."}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "Cass searched the official mod website"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "for any record of exercise chameleon."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "Buried in the site, she found a notam. A"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "notam is a notice to airmen that warns"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "commercial and civilian pilots not to"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "enter certain airspace. These notices"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "are required before any exercise"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "involving aircraft to prevent"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "collisions. They have to be filed at"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "least 5 days before the exercise. This"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "NOTAM was filed at 9:00 p.m. on February"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "25th, 9 hours before the pyramid"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "appeared. Worse, military aircraft flew"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "50 m outside the NOTAM boundary. You"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "never leave your airspace during"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "exercises. That's how midair collisions"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "happen. Unless you're chasing something"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "that isn't following your flight plan."}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "The smoking gun came from the Air"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "Commission Secretariat, the MOD's"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "highest authority. He wrote, \"I can"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "confirm that no information in the scope"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "of your request is held. There were no"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "programmed air defense exercises in"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "South Wales in February 2016."}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "No exercise, no permission, no warning."}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "Everything that happened that night was"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "illegal. Cass Clark had just declared"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "war on the Ministry of Defense and the"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "MOD would fight back."}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "The Pen Turk UFO incident is one of the"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "most compelling I've ever covered."}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "Multiple witnesses, government"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "documents, photographs."}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "But is it true? Well, let's start with"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "what we know. Cass Clark spent eight"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "years gathering evidence and fighting"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "the Ministry of Defense, and they fought"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "back. Cass was threatened, followed."}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "Military personnel have been seen at her"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "presentations. Just 2 days after the"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "event, she was nearly run off the road"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "by a black SUV. But Cass never gave up,"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "and eventually the MOD had to issue a"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "statement. They claimed this was all"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "part of their scheduled training,"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "Operation Chameleon. But Operation"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "Chameleon actually took place a week"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "earlier in Northern England, not Wales."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "She proved they lied. She proved 20"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "helicopters, four transport planes, and"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "ground troops operated illegally over"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "civilian areas. But what about the Black"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "Pyramid and the red and green barrels?"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "Can they be explained?"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "No."}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "Maybe."}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "Could"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "the pyramid could have been a"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "misidentified aircraft? C7s flying in"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "formation might create a triangular"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "shape. And modern stealth tech can make"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "aircraft pretty quiet. The red and green"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "objects could have been drop zone"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "markers, the lights paratroopers use"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "during night jumps, or they could have"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "been flares. From the ground, multiple"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "lights descending slowly might look like"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "the edges of something massive. Except"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "Cass was right below the drop zone. She"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "saw no parachutes, no soldiers, just"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "objects that moved horizontally, changed"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "direction instantly, and studied her"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "from 30 ft away. Paratroopers can't do"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "that. Yeah, I bet the 82nd Airborne can."}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "They can't."}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "82 sort away."}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "Then there's Cass's lost time. High"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "stress situations mess with your memory."}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "You ever fall or drop something and it"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "feels like it's happening in slow"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "motion. When your adrenaline spikes,"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "your brain doesn't process time"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "normally. Everything slows down to give"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "you time to react. Now, Apache"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "helicopters carry powerful radar and"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "jamming equipment. That might explain"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "why phones didn't work. Yeah, these"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "explanations are pretty thin, boy."}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "I admit that they are. I'm just telling"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "you what the skeptics say, but this is a"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "hard one to debunk. Witnesses said the"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "pyramid didn't descend from the sky. It"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "emerged through space. That technology"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "doesn't exist. The mod claimed the"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "explosions were controlled detonations"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "of simulated munitions. But simulated"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "munitions don't register on seismic"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "graphs 40 m away. And you know how they"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "close the roads because of a truck"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "crash? We can't prove that because all"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "the CCTV was turned off that night."}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "Oh, that happens in certain jail cells"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "from time to time."}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "Easy with that."}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "The debris field was confirmed by"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "multiple witnesses. Cass's hair really"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "did turn white overnight. Doctors"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "couldn't explain it, but exposure to"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "radiation does explain it. And Cass is"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "shown all the symptoms of radiation"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "sickness. And you know how they"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "discovered the radiation and that"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "strange signal Cass was emitting during"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "one of the three lie detector tests she"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "passed. Almost 2 years after the event,"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "the radiation level at the site was"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "still harmful to humans. It took 5 years"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "for the area to clear."}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "Surveillance plane circled for 3 days."}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "Fact. The NOTAM appeared 9 hours before,"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "not the required 5 days. Fact. $4.5"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "billion in military assets was deployed"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "that night. Fact. Snake 48, a plane that"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "officially doesn't exist, was flying"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "search patterns. Fact. Were they waiting"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "for a UFO? We don't know."}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "The mainstream skeptical view is that"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "the Penturk UFO incident was a military"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "operation. To me, this isn't really a"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "story about the UFO. It's about the"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "coverup. the UK government, the Welsh"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "government, the South Wales police, the"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "hospital, dozens, maybe hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "people lied to the public. If there was"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "a UFO encounter, I think the people of"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "Pent deserve to know because if this was"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "just a military exercise, then countless"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "laws were broken that terrified local"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "residents and put them in real danger."}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "So, I have one question for the Ministry"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "of Defense, the Welsh government, and"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "the South Wales Police. Just one. My"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "question isn't was there a UFO. 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A secret code"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "inside the Bible said I would."}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "well as music songsing like I should."}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "And it never ends."}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "I feel the crap guy. I got stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "M's home with MKL truck. I feel only"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "aware."}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "Did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "landing alone on a film set of shadow"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "people there?"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "The Roswell aliens just fought the"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "smiling man. I'm told"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "and his name was cold."}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "I can't"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "I'm dancing with the fishes and the fish"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "on Thursday night"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "All I ever wanted was to be the truth."}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "One more through the night."}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "The M sightings and the solar storm"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "still come to gather this young city"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "underground."}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "circle to project star gave and what the"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "dark watches found"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "the black night."}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "Oh, I can't believe I'm dancing with the"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "fish"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "on Thursday night when they you"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "My all through the night"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "when they change you"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "I wanted to hear the truth. So"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "all of the love"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "to dance"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "loves to dance on the dance floor"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "because she is a camel. Camel love to"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "dance when the feeling is right"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "in time."}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "[Music]"}]

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A compass-like object covered in"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "symbols nobody recognized. Made from an"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "alloy that wouldn't exist for another"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "thousand years. Within 48 hours, the"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "National Security Agency seized the"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "site. They called it Project Ancient"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "Arrow. The NSA studied the room for"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "months, then sealed it. 21 years later,"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "a cave then revealed the truth. This"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "wasn't just a room. It was an entrance."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Wait,"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "buddy. Nothing. I'll just spell head."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "human. Uh, quick question. How many"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "calories are there in air?"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "I'm just trying to make sure I don't go"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "over my daily limit."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "I'm part of the Body of Atlantis"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "Ascension Fellowship. Uh, we're a"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "fitness collective/lifefestyle"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "paradigm/"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "energy alignment commune. Uh, we're"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "dedicated to nutritional transcendence."}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "Gary says once we achieve cellular"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "emptiness level two, we'll unlock"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "vibrational purification."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "That That sounds like a cult."}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "Calm down. No."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "Well, we're just very disciplined. We"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "wear matching white shoes, uh, perform"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "synchronized breathing exercises with"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "house plants, and whisper our social"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "security numbers into mason jars. 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You realize you"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "can just leave, right?"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "Leave."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "But I'm free hunger hallucinations away"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "from achieving supreme emptiness. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "plus Gary says once you can pound your"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "own ribs, you earn telepathy and a"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "cashew. Oh crap, meditation circle"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "starting. Uh, if I'm late again, they'll"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "make me sniff bread as punishment. A"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "whole loaf of nickel, human. A whole"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "freaking loaf."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "For 21 years, the Choco Canyon Chamber"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "remained sealed. The Compass artifact"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "was locked in a vault somewhere in"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Virginia. Project Ancient Arrow, like so"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "many classified operations, gathered"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "dust in NSA archives. By May 1994,"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "Project Ancient Arrow was all but"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "forgotten. But the mountain had other"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "plans. A series of rock slides shook the"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "canyon. 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Wow, the NSA moves faster than"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "Uber Eats."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "Proceed. Sports one."}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "The military cleared the area and five"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "scientists arrived to take readings and"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "measurements. But these weren't"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "archaeologists. They worked for the"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "ACIO, the Advanced Contact Intelligence"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "Organization, a subsection of the NSA."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "It operated beyond classified, above top"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "secret, and without congressional"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "oversight. 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The"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "walls were polished at the atomic level,"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "covered in glowing symbols that seemed"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "part of the stone itself. 23 chambers"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "branched off at regular intervals. The"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "spiral formed a perfect double helix."}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "DNA carved in stone. Every chamber"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "contained artifacts. Paintings using"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "pigments nobody could identify. Musical"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "instruments that created frequencies"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "humans couldn't hear. Star charts drawn"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "from somewhere else in the galaxy. The"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "same symbols from the corridor were in"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "every room. Chamber 23 was different,"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "though. No symbols, no artwork, just one"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "artifact, a small optical disc. It"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "looked like a CD."}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "Uh, what year was this?"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "1994."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "Uh, probably an AOL disc."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "It wasn't an AOL CD."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "Are you sure? They were everywhere."}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "It wasn't a CD at all. It just kind of"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "looked like one. And scientists still"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "assumed the disc contained digital"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "information. But when they tried to read"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "it, nothing worked. Lasers failed."}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "Electron microscope showed only a smooth"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "surface. But under certain wavelengths"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "of light, symbols appeared. Thousands of"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "them layered in three-dimensional"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "patterns. The same symbols that cover"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "the walls. The ACIO couldn't decipher"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "it. They sent the disc to Virginia for"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "analysis. After almost 2 years of"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "analyzing the ancient arrow site, the"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "scientists thought they'd found"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "everything. Then X-rays of Chamber 23"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "revealed something else. A trap door"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "buried under 6 in. of debris. It covered"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "a shaft dropping straight down 150 ft."}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "Too narrow for a person, so they lowered"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "cameras instead."}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Oh, that reminds me. I got to schedule a"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "colonoscopy."}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "Okay, that that's enough."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "What? Everyone over 50 should get one."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "Thank you for the PSA."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "Oh, yeah. That's right, fellas. Uh, get"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "your PSA check, too. Huh?"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "I've got one paragraph left."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "Fine, fine. Go ahead."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "Sheesh, what a grouch."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "Chamber 24 was massive, three times"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "bigger than any other room. Seven groups"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "of symbols covered the wall in the most"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "complex pattern they'd seen. But there"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "was no way to reach it. The project"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "stalled again. 2 years later, another"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "discovery would show that ancient arrow"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "wasn't ancient at all. The discovery had"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "nothing to do with the past. It had to"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "do with the future."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "In the summer of 1996, two college"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "students were hiking near Cho Canyon, 24"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "years after the first ancient arrow"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "discovery. 2 years after rock slides had"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "exposed new chambers. They spotted"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "something metallic catching sunlight."}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "Not buried, not hidden, just sitting on"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "the ground. 1996,"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "AOL CDs were still everywhere. It wasn't"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "an AOL CD."}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "The object was about the size of a shoe"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "box and heavy like lead. Its surface"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "showed a pattern of swirled gold and"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "silver that was a three-dimensional map"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "of the exact area where they stood."}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "Strange symbols covered every inch of"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "the object. Not carved or etched. The"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "symbols were part of the metal itself."}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "And as the students lifted the object"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "from the sand, both collapsed at exactly"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "the same time, like someone had flipped"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "a switch. They weren't unconscious. They"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "were inside a vision."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "What? Did they eat mushrooms off this"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "thing?"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "No."}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "I was in the desert. That's right. So,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "uh, they probably ate peyote."}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "No,"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "they lick a frog."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "They didn't eat or lick anything. Just"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "touching the box gave them a vision. But"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "it gave them the same vision. a massive"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "chamber system inside a mountain. 23"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "rooms in a spiral pattern. They could"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "smell cool air and feel smooth stone"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "under their feet. Strange symbols glowed"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "on walls they'd never seen. They can"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "hear footsteps echoing. Their own"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "footsteps walking through chambers that"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "existed somewhere else. When the vision"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "ended, both students were on their knees"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "in the sand, gasping like they'd been"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "underwater. The experience lasted a few"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "seconds, but to them it felt like hours."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "They then wrapped the artifact"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "carefully. Neither wanted another"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "experience."}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "Yeah. Nothing's worse than a bad trip."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "Am I right?"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "I don't know what you're talking about."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "Come on. Yes, you do."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "Please, please. There are kids watching."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Oh, right, right, right. Sorry. Sorry,"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "kids. Uh, by trip, I just mean uh a"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "weekend in Portland."}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "Be nice."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "Anyway, they brought the shoe box"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "artifact to their archaeology professor,"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "but when he touched it, nothing. No"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "visions, no reaction. Whatever happened"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "to his students didn't happen to him. He"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "noted the unusual metal composition and"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "the unknown symbols. He uploaded the"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "findings to academic databases to see if"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "anyone recognized this artifact."}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "Unfortunately for the professor,"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "somebody did. The internet was still new"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "to most people in 1996, but it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "new to the NSA or its secret internal"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "division, the ACIO. Since Ancient Arrow"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "reopened in 1994, the ACIO had been"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "monitoring public and private networks"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "for certain keywords and images,"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "unidentifiable symbols, unusual metal"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "compositions, reports of induced"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "visions. The professor's research"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "triggered every alert."}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Within 4 hours, federal agents were in"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "his office. They confiscated the"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "artifact and made the professor sign a"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "stack of non-disclosure forms. The"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "agents added a few threats about"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "national security, treason, and prison."}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "Just to be clear, the object went"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "directly to Dr. Jameson Nuda, ACIO's top"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "linguist and technology specialist, the"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "same man who'd been trying to decrypt"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "the optical disc for 2 years. This"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "artifact would show him what he'd been"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "missing. The symbols weren't a language."}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "They were instructions."}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "The vision artifact sat on the table in"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "Nuda's lab and did nothing. The two"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "students had experienced vivid"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "hallucinations, identical visions of the"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "ancient arrow chambers. But here in"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "ACIO's sterile lab, the artifact was"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "just an unusual metal object covered in"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "symbols. Naruto understood why it didn't"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "work. Proximity effect. The artifact"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "needed to be near the ancient arrow"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "site. The location was in the swirled"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "pattern on its surface. Only about 50"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "people on the planet know about this"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "location, and he was one of them. So,"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "one puzzle solved. But Nuda was"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "fascinated by something else. The"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "symbols on the artifact match symbols"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "from the chambers. Not exactly, but"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "close. Like different dialects of the"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "same language. Then it hit him and he"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "reached for the disc. The optical disc"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "from chamber 23 didn't look like much."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "About the size of a CD, but thicker. Not"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "quite glass, not quite crystal. When"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "ACIO's standard decryption tools failed,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "Nuda took over. That was almost 2 years"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "ago. mathematical sequences, quantum"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "algorithms. Even Zi, ACIO's quantum"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "computer built with alien technology"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "couldn't crack this thing. Zi made the"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "best supercomputers on Earth look like"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "pocket calculators. Still nothing."}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "Alien technology?"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "Yep. The ACIO had an alliance with an"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "alien race called the Cordium. Their"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "home planet is 15,000 lighty years away."}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "Dr. Nuda was fluent in over 30 languages"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "plus 12 extinct ones. He was an expert"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "in data encryption, compression,"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "storage. He also possessed genius level"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "knowledge of mathematics, quantum"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "systems, music, philosophy, biology, and"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "cosmology. His IQ had been enhanced"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "through genetic modification. Standard"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "procedure for core ACIO scientists. The"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "modifications raised intelligence by 500"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "points or more, all courtesy of their"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "alien partners. Naruda repeated himself,"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "this time out loud. Different dialects"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "of the same language. The symbols on the"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "artifact weren't random. They formed a"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "sequence. When he compared them to the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "chamber paintings, a pattern emerged."}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "Each painting contained one unique"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "symbol. The artifact showed him what"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "order to arrange the symbols. Naruda"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "input these symbols into Zi as ancient"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "Samrian words spoken in sequence from"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "chamber 1 to 23. Then Zi roared to life."}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "8,000 pages of data flooded the"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "processors. Text, diagrams, star maps,"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "genetic sequences, all with translations"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "in English and 60 other languages. Dr."}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "Nuda had been with ACIO for 15 years."}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "Not only was he aware of alien races on"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "Earth, he spoke five of their languages."}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "He could read four more. He thought he'd"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "seen everything. He did not see this"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "coming."}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "The creators of the disc called"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "themselves wing makers. And the wing"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "makers weren't aliens. They weren't an"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "ancient civilization. They were humans"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "from Earth. And they were sending us a"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "warning from 750 years in the future."}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "According to the disc, humanity"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "developed time travel in the 20th"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "century, not for exploration, for"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "survival. These future humans were on a"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "timeline where Earth gets invaded by"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "synthetic beings called the Animus. The"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "Animus were more than just machines."}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "They were an android race with"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "artificial intelligence driven by one"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "obsession to become soul carriers to"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "achieve immortality. But they lacked"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "organic nervous systems, the very thing"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "needed to carry a soul's higher"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "frequency. So they needed our DNA not"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "just to reproduce, to evolve. And they"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "didn't choose Earth randomly. We're a"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "genetic library. Our DNA carries"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "something rare in the universe, a full"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "range of emotions, the key to the human"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "soul. The Animus wanted our source code,"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "the original blueprint of human"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "genetics. And they'd been here before,"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "300 million years ago. and again about"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "9,000 years ago. Both times they found"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "humans too primitive for their needs,"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "but they were scheduled to return in"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "2011. And this time they'd find us"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "useful. The timeline was specific."}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "First, infiltration. They'd appear as"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "friends, advanced beings here to help."}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "They'd work with the United Nations to"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "bring stability to Earth by creating a"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "global governing body."}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "One world government."}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "Yep. The group is called the Incanabula."}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "Another word for Illuminati."}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "Yep. And their plan is to control the"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "world's money supply and natural"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "resources. These would be distributed by"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "the Incanabula, who are android human"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "hybrids."}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Anyone check Cloud Schwab for wires?"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "They would implement a paperless"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "electronic currency that tracks the"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "spending habits of everyone on Earth."}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "This would give the Incanabula insight"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "into individual affairs and allow them"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "to manipulate global events. By 2018,"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "the incanabula would be running the"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "world. But this future could be avoided."}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "The disc explained how. What we perceive"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "as normal biology is actually a"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "suppressed version of our full genetic"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "potential. Humans have 23 pairs of"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "chromosomes. The wing makers claimed we"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "can activate 24. And here's why that"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "mattered. The atomist can only harvest"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "from standard human DNA, our current 23"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "chromosome pairs. Humans with 24"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "activated chromosome pairs would be"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "useless like incompatible software."}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "Seven sites around the world would"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "trigger this activation. It could be"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "done simply through meditation. As more"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "people meditated, dormant DNA would"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "activate. First two pairs, then four,"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "then 12, eventually all 24. And the disc"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "had another solution. Use time travel to"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "stop the Animus from ever finding Earth."}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "So humanity had two defenses, one"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "biological and one technological. Dr."}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "Nuda understood the value of both"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "options. But ACIO's leadership was"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "split. Half wanted to use technology."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "Half wanted transformation. Naruda was"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "caught in the middle. But he knew he'd"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "have to make a choice. And the choice"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "wasn't just about technology versus"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "consciousness. It was about who decides"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "humanity's future."}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "Within ACIO operated an even more"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "secretive unit, the Labyrinth Group."}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "Only about 120 people knew it existed."}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "Their leader was known only as 15. No"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "one used real names at that level. 15"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "had created the Labyrinth Group with one"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "purpose. Develop blank slate technology,"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "BST. This is time travel that could"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "alter the past, not just observe it. Ah,"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "finally they can go back and tell Fox"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "not to cancel Firefly."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "Yeah, I think they'd rather use the"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "technology to avoid the alien invasion."}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "Sure, sure, sure. But while you're back"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "there, I killed two birds. Aliens and"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "Fox executives."}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "With the help of the Cordian, the"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "Labyrinth Group had been working on time"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "travel since 1963. The Cordium provided"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "everything. the quantum computers, the"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "genetic modifications that gave ACIO"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "scientists their enhanced abilities. The"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "cordium also warned about the atomist"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "threat decades before the disc confirmed"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "it. And the labyrinth group had"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "accumulated wealth outside government"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "oversight that had more money than most"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "small nations, all focused on time"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "travel. Because if you can travel back"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "and change key events, you can prevent"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "the atomist from ever finding Earth."}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "Change the right moment in the past and"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "the future threat disappears. But now"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "the wing makers offered a different"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "solution. Evolution through"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "consciousness instead of technology"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "becoming something the atomist couldn't"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "use instead of erasing them from a"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "timeline. Two paths both claim to save"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "humanity. 15 saw them as complimentary."}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "Use both develop BST while activating"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "dormant DNA cover all bases. Dr. Nuda"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "saw it differently. The more he learned"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "about the wingmakaker's philosophy, the"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "more he questioned changing the past."}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "The wingmakers weren't just sharing"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "technology. They were teaching"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "transformation. For 3 years, Nuda had"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "translated the wingmakers information."}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "The technical data, the philosophical"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "writings, the warnings. With each"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "translation, something changed inside"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "him. The wing makers weren't just"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "sharing information. They were selecting"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "their spokesman, him. When he reported"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "this belief to his superiors, the"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "response was immediate. Psychiatric"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "evaluation security review"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "15 decided Nuda's growing belief in"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "consciousness-based evolution could not"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "be allowed to spread through the ACIO."}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "The solution was simple. Give Nuda an"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "MRP, memory restructure procedure. This"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "would erase his memories of the ancient"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "arrow project, standard protocol for"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "personnel who became compromised. Nuda"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "had done these procedures himself. It"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "was routine. colleagues returned to work"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "with gaps in their memories. Confused"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "but compliant. Now it was his turn."}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "The MRP was scheduled for 3 weeks later,"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "December 15th, 1997. He marked it on his"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "calendar."}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "He put his own mind wipe in his"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "calendar."}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "Tuesday dentist. Wednesday mind wipe."}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "Thursday yoga. That guy's got ice water"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "in his veins."}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "He did, but he was not going to let them"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "take his memories. He had 3 weeks to"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "come up with a plan."}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "Dr. Naruda had three weeks before they"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "erased his mind. He spent those weeks"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "watching his colleagues differently."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "Brilliant minds trapped in a philosophy"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "of control. Every problem required a"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "technological solution. Every threat"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "demanded superior firepower. The idea"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "that humanity might transform itself"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "through consciousness, that seemed"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "impossible. But consciousness was the"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "one thing the atomist couldn't harvest."}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Synthetic beings needed genetic"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "material, not awareness. The wing makers"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "understood this. On December 13th, 1997,"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "during a routine shift change, Dr."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "Jameson Nuda walked out of the ACIO"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "facility. No elaborate escape plan, no"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "security breach. He understood their"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "systems well enough to slip out during a"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "brief surveillance gap. By the time they"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "noticed he was gone, he'd already have"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "destroyed his traceable implants and"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "begun searching for someone willing to"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "hear an impossible story. 2 days later,"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "he made contact with a journalist named"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "Sarah. He had a lot of information to"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "share. And less than 12 hours before the"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "next remote viewing sweep would find"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "him."}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "Remote viewing sweep?"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "Oh, yeah. The ACIO had a team of"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "psychics on staff."}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Yeah, of course they did. There's so"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "much more to the story, which is why"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "we'll be revisiting it from time to"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "time. Anyway, Nuda promised to tell"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "Sarah everything about the ACIO, the"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "Labyrinth Group, the Cordium Alliance,"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "humanity's hidden history and potential"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "future, but most importantly, who the"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "Wingmakers were and what they really"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "wanted. They weren't time travelers"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "trying to save humanity from invasion."}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "They were teachers. The animist threat"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "was real, but it served a larger"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "purpose. Crisis forces evolution. The"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "approaching danger would push humanity"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "to activate dormant capabilities. Not"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "through technology, through higher"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "consciousness. Then humans would be"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "useless to the animus. Naruda had 12"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "hours to convince Sarah. 12 hours to"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "plant the seeds of transformation. 12"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "hours before the ACIO found him and took"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "his mind."}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "Dr. Jameson Nuda was having trouble."}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "Finding someone to hear his story was"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "harder than escaping. Academics wanted"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "credentials. Journalists wanted proof."}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "Yeah. Journalists demanding proof. I"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "remember those days."}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "Journalist Sarah, he never learned her"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "last name, was his fifth attempt. When"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "they met in a diner outside Sacramento,"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "he had 12 hours before the next remote"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "viewing sweep. He gave five long"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "interviews, enough to expose the ACIO,"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "the Labyrinth Group, the Cordium"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "Alliance. But as Naruda began talking,"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "he realized that conspiracy wasn't the"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "real story. The real story was"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "transformation. Nuda explained how the"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "labyrinth group approached everything"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "backwards. They saw consciousness as a"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "problem to overcome with better"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "processors. They saw time as something"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "to control rather than understand. The"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "wingmaker suggested defense wasn't about"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "building bigger weapons or rewriting"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "history. It was about becoming"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "unharvestable through higher"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "consciousness. Sarah recorded"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "everything. The technical"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "specifications, the philosophical"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "frameworks, the countdown to 2011. But"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "Nuda could see her struggling with the"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "same question everyone asked. Why should"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "anyone believe this? He had no proof."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "The artifacts remain locked in ACIO"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "vaults. The disc translations existed"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "only in classified systems. His enhanced"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "genetics couldn't be verified without"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "special equipment. All he had were"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "words. And 11 months later, those words"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "appeared online on a wingmakaker's"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "website. But the details had changed."}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "The hiker's discovery date shifted."}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "Character names morphed. And the"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "wingmakaker's teachings were now"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "available for the low low price of 1799."}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "No. No."}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "The man behind the wing maker's website"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "called himself James. Later he'd reveal"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "his full identity. James Mahu from the"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "Lyricus teaching organization. November"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "1998, 11 months after Nuda's defection."}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "The Wingmaker's website appeared online,"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "anonymous at first. No author, nobody"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "taking credit, just the story of Ancient"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "Arrow, the ACIO, and humanity's"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "potential future. Free for anyone to"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "read. The site included Nuda's"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "interviews, renamed Dr. Anderson in this"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "version, and there were pictures of art"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "from the chambers, music, Wingmakers"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "philosophy, all available for free. Then"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "things started changing. December 9th,"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "1998, Wingmakers LLC was created in"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "Minnesota. The owner, Mark Hemple, based"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "in Nadina. A month later, subtle changes"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "appeared on the website. The hiker's"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "discovery date shifted from 1972 to"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "1996. The chamber count increased from"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "23 to 24. Dr. Nuda became Dr. Anderson."}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "The changes were small, easy to miss"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "unless you were paying attention. The"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "transformation accelerated in 2001."}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "March brought the first commercial"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "product, $17.99."}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "By the end of the year, what started as"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "a free revelation had become a whole"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "product line. Music CDs priced at $108."}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "Over 100 bucks for a CD?"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "I'm telling you, uh merch is way too"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "cheap."}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "No, it isn't."}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "The website sold art reproductions,"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "philosophy collections, complete"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "packages with bundle discounts. James"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "finally revealed himself through email"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "interviews. He claimed the identity"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "Mahunahi, a translator for the Lyricist"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "teaching organization, not from outer"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "space, but not quite human either. He"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "described using sensory billocation, a"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "technique for gathering information"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "across dimensions. He positioned himself"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "as a translator, not a creator. The"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "Wingmaker's material were real. He"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "didn't write them. He just made them"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "accessible. But the changes kept coming."}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "The cordium's home planet moved from"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "15,000 light-years away to 15 million."}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "Scientific details were updated to match"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "current theories. New websites popped"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "up. Eventles.org lyricist.org"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "sovereign.org."}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "Each site added details to the story and"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "each offered more products. The original"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "story, Dr. Nudas, was buried under"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "spiritual teachings and expensive"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "merchandise. Years later, James would"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "describe the wingmakaker's materials"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "with a specific word, not history, not"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "revelation. He called it mythology."}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "Mark Hemple remained silent. He managed"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "the business side while James handled"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "mythology. Together, they transformed a"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "conspiracy story into something else."}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "Something less specific, something less"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "verifiable, but something much more"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "profitable."}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "We've got desert canyons with secret"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "labs, timetraveling humans warning about"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "synthetic invaders, alien alliances, DNA"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "activation, humanity's salvation through"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "consciousness. The Wingmaker story has"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "it all, and we just scratched the"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "surface. But is any of this true? Well,"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "the New Mexico Cultural Resources"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "Information System contains no record of"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "any ancient arrow site. Over 800"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "archaeological projects have been"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "documented near Choco Canyon since 1952."}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "Not one project mentions mysterious"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "chambers. No museum anywhere has a"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "single wingmaker artifact. No"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "peer-reviewed paper discuss the"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "discovery. The NSA has never"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "acknowledged an advanced contact"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "intelligence organization. ACIO appears"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "on no government documentation,"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "classified or declassified. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "But if ACIO is real, uh, they cover"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "their tracks."}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "That's true, but so are the story"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "contradictions. The Wayback Machine"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "shows all the changes to the dates,"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "names, locations. These aren't"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "clarifications, they're rewrites. Then"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "there's the money. Wingmakers LLC"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "registered December 1998. Free content"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "transformed into premium products. The"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "Wing Makers Revelation had become a"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "business model. But despite all the"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "problems with the story and all the"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "products for sale, the wing makers built"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "a devoted following. 25 years later,"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "there are still thousands of followers."}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "They know the story is debunked. They"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "don't care. Still, they report personal"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "transformations, expanded awareness,"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "life changes. Now, is this just a"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "placebo effect or something more? I"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "don't think it matters. If people are"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "getting value for their money, I don't"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "have a problem with it. That's why when"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "I read that James Mahu was a fraud"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "running a scam, I pushed back because a"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "scam really all depends on your point of"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "view. James himself called the materials"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "mythology, not history, not journalism."}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "Mythology. That's an important word and"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "probably why James chose it. Since"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "before we had written language, we"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "evolved through stories. Our culture"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "from the very beginning was built on"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "mythology. Cave paintings taught the"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "next generation how to hunt. Tribal"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "elders told legends that explained"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "seasons. The stories told in religions"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "shaped entire civilizations."}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "Stories have always pushed humanity"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "forward. Jules Vern wrote about"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "submarines. We built them. Arthur C."}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "Clark imagined satellites. We launched"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "them. Star Trek showed communicators and"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "video calls and we use those every day."}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "The Wing Makers might be fiction, but it"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "pointed people toward legitimate"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "research. epigenetics, consciousness"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "studies, the connection between mind and"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "matter. Thousands took up meditation,"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "studied quantum physics. Why did they do"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "this? Because the wing maker story is"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "powerful, and powerful stories always"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "have a hint of truth. The chambers never"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "existed. The artifacts were imaginary."}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "The time travel was fantasy. But the"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "Wingmaker story contains one undeniable"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "truth. We're capable of more than we"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "know. I believe that's true. I think you"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "do too. That's why you're here watching"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "this show. You have questions. You have"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "questions about what's hiding in our"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "government, our society, on our planet,"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "in our reality. And now that we've"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "started asking these questions will"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "never stop. So maybe the wing makers"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "never existed, but what they started,"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "it's everywhere."}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "Thank you so much for hanging out with"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "me today. Hey, my name is AJ. That cycle"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "fish."}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "This has been the W files. 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Until next time, be safe, be"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "kind, and know that you are appreciated."}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "I play in Area 51. A secret code inside"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "the Bible said I would."}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "well as music singing like I should"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "within another conspiracy theory becomes"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "the truth my friends"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "I feel the crap guy. I got stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "Mel's home with MK out of being only"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "true aware."}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "Did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "landing alone on a film set of the"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "shadow people there?"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "The Rwelling just spoke the smiling man."}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "I'm told"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "and his name was cold."}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "I can't"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "dancing with the Bes."}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "One more through the night."}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "The Mman sidings and the solar storm"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "still come to gather this young city"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "underground."}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "circle to project star gate and what the"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "dark watchers found"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "the black night."}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "Oh, I can't believe I'm dancing with the"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "fish"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "on Thursday night when they chang"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "through the night."}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "me all through the night."}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "That's when they change you"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "All I ever wanted was to be the truth."}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "So"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "all through"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "Your girl loves to dance on the dance"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "floor because she is a camel. Camel"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "loves to dance when the feeling is wild."}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "Heat."}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "Heat."}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This episode of the W Files is brought"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "to you by PDS debt."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "On June 25th, 2007, the CIA quietly"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "released 693 pages of their darkest"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "secrets to the website. No announcement,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "no press conference, just a document"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "dump of operations. so illegal they've"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "been hidden since 1973."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "The CIA called this collection their"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "family jewels. Assassination plots, mind"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "control experiments, journalists on CIA"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "payroll, surveillance of hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "thousands of Americans who'd committed"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "no crimes. These weren't conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "theories. These were real. Each page of"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "the family jewels revealed operations"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "approved at the highest levels."}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "operations that violated every law meant"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "to constrain the CIA. And taken"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "together, they revealed something darker"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "than isolated crimes. They told a story."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "The story of the family jewels is the"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "story of the real CIA."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "I will kill him."}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "Yeah, human. Thank goodness. It's an"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "emergency. I need your cho credentials."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "Cho credentials?"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "Just for a few hours. How long enough to"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "shuffle a little spice through our dummy"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "sitch?"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "Wait, where in the world are you? And"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "what's going on with your eyes?"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "The world is spice. The spice is the"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "Spice like paprika or cardamom?"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "No, you bonehead. I'm on rackus mining"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "spice vage. You're on planet Arachus."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "How did you even get"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Listen, human, I'll make it short. 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It works on Fman, too."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "Or they're just laughing at you."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "If I don't make it, tell the Baron he"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "could take the moon of GD Prime and"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "shove it right up his"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "guess he found Shy Hulude the hard way."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "The story of the family jewels didn't"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "start in 2007. It starts in 1973 when"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "the walls started closing in on the CIA."}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "On May 9th, James Slesinger had been CIA"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "director for only 3 months, and his"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "timing couldn't have been worse. The"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "Watergate break-in scandal was"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "spreading. The five intruders were all"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "connected to the CIA, some as officers,"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "some as assets. The planners of the"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "break-in were E. Howard Hunt and G."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "Gordon Litty. Hunt was former CIA. Ly"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "was former FBI with a background in"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "intelligence. Congress and the press"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "were asking questions the CIA didn't"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "want to answer. But the director had a"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "problem. He didn't know what his own"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "agency had done. He knew there were"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "secrets buried that could destroy them"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "if ever discovered. So he issued an"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "order to every department head. Report"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "any activity that may have violated the"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "CIA's charter. 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Every department"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "submitted reports. Every report was"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "worse than the last. There were"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "disclosures of surveillance operations,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "not against foreign spies, against"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Americans. Anyone who questioned"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "authority was a CIA target. Some"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "programs were classified secret, then"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "top secret. But operations classified"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "eyes only were so secret details"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "couldn't be written down. They were"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "labeled sensitive operation details"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "available orally only. Others had code"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "names that revealed nothing. Mh. Chaos,"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "HT Lingual, MK of Otton. Week after"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "week, the secrets poured in. Programs"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "everyone thought were conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "theories. The binder was getting heavy."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "By summer, it was several inches thick."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "Almost 700 pages of CIA misconduct. But"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "these weren't occasional mistakes. They"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "were approved, funded, and executed. In"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "other words, decades of illegal CIA"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "operation was official policy. This was"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "a report that could destroy the agency."}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "And then it leaked, not from a spy, but"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "from a journalist who believed in"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "transparency. But he had no idea he was"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "about to expose the biggest intelligence"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "scandal in American history. And as soon"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "as the CIA caught wind of his"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "investigation, he became the AY's"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "biggest threat and knew his target."}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "The journalist who would expose it all"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "was no stranger to government lies."}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "Seymour Hersh had already won a Puliter"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "Prize in 1969 for exposing the Myai"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "massacre where American soldiers"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "slaughtered hundreds of Vietnamese"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "civilians. The Pentagon tried to bury"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "that story. Hirs dragged it into the"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "light."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "By December 1974, Hirs was at the New"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "York Times and he'd been hearing"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "whispers from former CIA officers about"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "domestic surveillance programs, programs"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "that weren't supposed to exist. The"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "CIA's charter was crystal clear. no"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "domestic operations, no spying on"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "American citizens, period. But his"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "sources were telling him the opposite,"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "that the CIA was running a massive"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "operation against Americans. On December"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "22nd, 1974, the Times ran Hersh's story"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "on the front page."}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "The article detailed a massive"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "intelligence operation with files on"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "10,000 American citizens. Not foreign"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "agents, not terrorists, Americans,"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "anti-war activists, civil rights"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "leaders, journalists, even members of"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "Congress. The backlash was instant. The"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "public was outraged and the press"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "wouldn't let it go. The next morning,"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "the Department of Justice announced an"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "investigation and CIA Director William"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "Colby was summoned to Air Force One to"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "brief President Ford personally."}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "President Ford's solution was damage"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "control. Control the narrative. Vice"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "President Nelson Rockefeller would lead"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "a commission to investigate. Quick,"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "clean, controlled. The scandal would"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "finally be contained. But it backfired."}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "The commission not only confirmed"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "everything Hirs reported, they found"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "more. The CIA had conducted break-ins"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "against American citizens, bugged their"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "homes, opened their mail, tapped their"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "phones, even tested biological weapons"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "on Americans without their knowledge."}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "The agency wasn't just violating its"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "charter, it was breaking the law. And"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "every target was an American citizen on"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "American soil."}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "the uh agency uh does monitor foreign"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "communications."}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "How do you define foreign"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "communications?"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "I think it is uh communications that uh"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "go abroad or are abroad. I think uh they"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "does it involve a United States citizen"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "at one end"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "on some occasions that cannot be"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "separated from the uh from the traffic"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "that is being monitored. I believe"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "these operations weren't the work of"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "rogue agents. They were approved at the"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "highest levels by CIA directors, by the"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Pentagon, by former presidents and vice"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "presidents."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "It turned out that most of these abuses"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "really could be trailed back to the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "president and the NSC. They initiated"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "them. They knew about them. In some"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "cases, for example, assassinations."}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "Eisenhower was the first to suggest it."}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "And so this was this was really not a"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "rogue uh president, I mean rogue agency."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "This was in some respects a rogue"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "presidency."}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "Congress knew they needed their own"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "investigation. Senator Frank Church was"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "chosen to lead what would become the"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "most extensive investigation of"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "intelligence activities ever conducted."}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "And the Church Committee had something"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "the president's commission didn't."}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "Subpoena power. The power to force"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "anyone involved to testify."}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "Noah hiding behind national security. No"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "I can neither confirm nor deny. Tell the"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "truth or go to jail. For the first time"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "in history, the CIA would have to reveal"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "their covert operations under oath and"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "on the record. And what they revealed"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "shocked everyone because any American"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "could be a target. And as the"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "investigation continued, that list of"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "American targets kept getting longer and"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "longer."}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "The Church Committee's first major"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "discovery was Operation Chaos, known by"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "its cryptonym Chaos. Started in 1967"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "under President Johnson and expanded"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "under Nixon. The mission was simple."}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "Find foreign influence in the anti-war"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "movement. proved that Moscow or Beijing"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "were behind the protests. They never"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "found any foreign influence, not one"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "case. The anti-war movement was made up"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "of Americans, but they kept looking for"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "communists, and the program kept"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "growing. By 1973, chaos had indexed"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "300,000 Americans in its computer"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "system. Not suspected spies, not foreign"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "agents. Americans exercising their First"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "Amendment rights, college students,"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "clergy, professors, journalists, anyone"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "who questioned the Vietnam War was a"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "potential target. Richard Ober ran the"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "operation. He worked under James Jesus"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "Angleton, the CIA's counter intelligence"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "chief. Angleton had built his own empire"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "within the CIA. He was brilliant,"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "paranoid, and convinced that enemies"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "were everywhere. The CIA was designed to"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "protect America from foreign threats,"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "but Angleton had turned those weapons"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "inward against his own citizens. They"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "used a sophisticated computer system to"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "track everyone. It cross referenced"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "every name mentioned in every"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "intelligence report, feed in one name,"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "get connections to dozens more, like a"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "spiderweb expanding outward. 7,200"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "Americans had dedicated files. Their"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "mail was opened and their phones were"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "tapped without a warrant. Their trash"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "was searched. CIA agents infiltrated"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "their organizations, attended their"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "meetings, recorded their conversations."}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "The documents described domestic spying,"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "opening of private mail, and the"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "investigation of journalists. Agents"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "watched former Washington Post reporter"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "Michael Gler for 3 months in 1971."}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "They were watching who I was talking to."}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "They were they they took pictures of who"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "I was having lunch with. They actually"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "took pictures um through the picture"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "window of our home. CIA employees have"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "nicknamed the documents the family"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "jewels."}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "Over 1,000 organizations were monitored,"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "not just protest groups. The CIA watched"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "Jewish organizations. The Israeli"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "embassy was watched. When asked why, one"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "CIA officer said they were looking for"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "radical Jewish elements. American Jews"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "practicing their faith, supporting"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "Israel, were watched by their own"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "government. And Chaos wasn't alone. Mary"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "Mack infiltrated protest groups around"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "Washington DC. Operation Resistance"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "collected information on draft"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "resistors. HT Lingual, an earlier"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "operation, was still running. And that"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "was opening and photographing mail"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "between Americans and foreign countries."}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "The CIA didn't just target protesters."}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "It also watched members of Congress."}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "Bella Absug from New York, Paty Mink"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "from Hawaii. A total of 14 members of"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "Congress were on the CIA's watch list"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "for being vocal critics of the Vietnam"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "War."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "The violations were systemic. Every"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "person who spoke out against the war,"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "every group that organized a protest,"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "every publication that questioned"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "policy, all of them ended up in the"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "computer system. Names, addresses,"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "associates, activities, everything"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "cataloged and cross-referenced. They"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "turned spying into a science. But"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "sometimes watching isn't enough."}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "Sometimes they needed boots on the"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "ground. Sometimes direct action had to"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "be used against American citizens. The"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "CIA needed an agency willing to get"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "their hands dirty. And they found the"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "perfect partner, the FBI."}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "When it came to crushing Americans First"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "Amendment rights, the CIA and the FBI"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "were perfect partners. The CIA surveiled"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "descent and the FBI dismantled it. The"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "program was called Quintel PRO, short"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "for Counter Intelligence Program."}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "Officially, it targeted domestic"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "subversives. Unofficially, it was a war"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "on the First Amendment."}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "Civil rights leaders were tracked."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "Activists were harassed. Some were"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "imprisoned. Some were killed. One of the"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "FBI's favorite targets was Martin Luther"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "King Jr."}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "J. Edgar Hoover had been watching Dr."}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "King since December 1955. The Montgomery"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "bus boycott had just started. The young"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "minister was making headlines. Hoover"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "ordered surveillance and that"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "surveillance would continue for the next"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "12 years. Right up until Dr. King was"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "assassinated in Memphis."}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "The FBI didn't just tap his phones. They"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "bugged his home, his offices, every"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "hotel room he stayed in. They had agents"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "follow him 24 hours a day. They knew"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "where he was every minute, who he talked"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "to, what he said. They recorded"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "everything. The FBI tried to prove he"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "was a communist. They couldn't. They"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "tried to link him to foreign agents."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "There was no evidence. What they found"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "was a man who loved his country and"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "believed in its founding principles."}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "Justice, equality, the promises America"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "made but hadn't kept."}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "I have a dream"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "that my four little children"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "will one day live in a nation where they"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "will not be judged by the color of their"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "skin, but by the content of their"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "character. I have a dream today."}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "And I consider Dr. Martin Luther King"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "one of the greatest Americans who ever"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "lived. But greatness doesn't equal"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "perfection. Dr. King struggled with"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "infidelity. So Jagger Hoover got"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "personal."}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "On November 21st, 1964, an unmarked"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "package arrived at King's home. His"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "wife, Ketta, opened it. Inside was a"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "tape and a letter. The tape contained"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "the hotel recordings. The letter was"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "unsigned. It called Dr. King names that"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "I won't repeat here. But the final"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "paragraph was clear. King, there is only"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "one thing left for you to do. You know"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "what it is? You have 34 days. 34 days."}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "Dr. King was scheduled to receive the"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "Nobel Peace Prize in 35 days. The letter"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "was telling him to kill himself or the"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "FBI would destroy him publicly. The"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "letter was likely written by William"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "Sullivan, the FBI's assistant director,"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "but the government has never admitted"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "this. But the church committee found the"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "evidence. A draft was in Sullivan's"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "files."}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "COINTEL Pro conducted over 2,000"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "documented actions. They forged letters"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "to create conflicts, planted negative"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "stories in newspapers, sent people to"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "prison on false charges, incited"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "violence between groups, destroyed"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "marriages, ruined careers, drove people"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "to suicide. The CIA watched the FBI"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "destroyed. But controlling people"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "through force wasn't enough. They wanted"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "to control people without realizing they"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "were being manipulated. To do that, they"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "deployed an even more powerful weapon,"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "the media."}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "There's a reason that protecting the"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "press shows up right in the first"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "amendment. The founding fathers knew"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "that democracy needs watchd dogs. The"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "press was supposed to hold the powerful"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "accountable. Instead, the press became"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "their mouthpiece. The CIA had been"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "manipulating journalists since the early"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "1950s. Now, we know this as Operation"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "Mockingbird, but there was no official"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "name for it. Inside the agency, Frank"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "Wisner, who ran covert operations,"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "called it his mighty woriter, a massive"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "organ that would play any tune he"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "wanted. It started in the early days of"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "the Cold War under Allen Dulles. The CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "needed to influence public opinion"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "against the Soviets, and major news"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "organizations were more than happy to"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "help. Publishers, editors, reporters. A"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "fewer patriots who thought they were"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "serving their country. Some enjoyed"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "playing spy, and some journalists had no"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "agenda at all. They just they just like"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "the money."}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "Do you have any people being paid"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "by the CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "who are contributing"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "to a major circulation American journal?"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "We do have people who submit pieces to"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "other to American journals. More than"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "400 American journalists had secretly"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "carried out assignments for the CIA for"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "25 years. And not small town papers."}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "These were reporters at the New York"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "Times, CBS, Time Magazine, Newsweek, The"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "AP, Reuters, Washington Post, the"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "biggest names in American media. Some"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "journalists were full CIA employees"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "using journalism as cover. And the"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "publishers knew Arthur Hayes Salsberg at"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "the New York Times, William Paley at"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "CBS, they cooperated directly with the"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "CIA. When the agency needed a story"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "planted, they'd make a call. The story"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "would run. When they needed a story"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "killed, another call. The story would go"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "away."}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "We're extremely proud of the quality,"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "balanced journalism that CBS4 News"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "produces."}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "But we are concerned about"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "irresponsible, one-sided news stories"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "plaging our country. plaguing our"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "country."}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "The New York Times gave CIA employees"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "press credentials. They posed as"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "reporters while conducting intelligence"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "operations."}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "Journalists spied on foreign leaders."}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "They carried money to CIA assets. They"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "provided their hotel rooms for secret"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "meetings."}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "When the CIA overthrew governments in"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "Iran and Guatemala, the American press"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "explained why it was necessary. When the"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "agency needed support for the Vietnam"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "War, headlines appeared. The American"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "people thought they were reading news."}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "They were reading CIA propaganda."}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "The sharing of biased and false news has"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "become all too common on social media."}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "More alarming, some media outlets"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "publish these same fake stories without"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "checking facts first."}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "The sharing of biased and false news has"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "become all too common on social media."}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "Some media"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "are true without checking facts first."}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "Unfortunately, some members of the use"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "their own personal bias control exactly"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "what people think and this is extremely"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "dangerous to our democracy."}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "This is extremely dangerous to our"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "democracy."}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "The church committee exposed this"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "collaboration. Bernstein documented it,"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "but nothing really changed because once"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "you control the news, you control the"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "narrative. You control what people"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "think. And that power is too valuable to"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "give up. But even total control of"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "information has limits. To truly control"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "a population, you need to control their"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "minds directly. And one CIA scientist"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "believed he'd found the way."}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Controlling the news wasn't enough. The"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "CIA wanted to control minds directly,"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "not through propaganda or manipulation."}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "through chemistry, through torture,"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "through techniques that would break a"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "person's mind so they could rebuild it."}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "The program was called MK Ultra, run by"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "Sydney Gotautle, the CIA's chief"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "chemist. His colleagues called him the"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "black sorcerer. From 1953 to 1973,"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "Gotautle had unlimited funds and zero"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "oversight. His mission, develop mind"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "control techniques for the CIA. MK Ultra"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "wasn't one program. It was 149 sub"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "projects, 80 institutions were involved,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "44 colleges and universities, 15"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "research foundations, 12 hospitals, 185"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "private researchers."}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "Georgetown University Hospital got"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "$375,000"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "to run a hospital safe house. The CIA"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "would bring subjects there, dose them"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "with LSD, watch them for days, record"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "everything. One mental patient was given"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "LSD for 174 consecutive days. His name"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "was never recorded. What happened to him"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "was never documented. He was just one"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "test subject among thousands."}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "Between the years of 1957 and 1984, I"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "became a pawn in a government scheme"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "whose ultimate goal was mind control and"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "to create the perfect spy. All through"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "the use of chemicals, radiation, drugs,"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "hypnosis, electric shock, isolation in"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "tubs of water, sleep deprivation,"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "brainwashing, verbal, physical,"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "emotional, and sexual abuse."}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "Operation Midnight Climax was an"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "interesting sub project. The CIA set up"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "brothel in San Francisco and New York,"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "two-way mirrors in every room."}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "Prostitutes on CIA payroll would bring"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "men back, slip LSD into their drinks,"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "and CIA officers would watch from behind"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "the mirrors. They photographed"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "everything. The men never knew they'd"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "been drugged. They went home to their"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "families thinking they'd lost their"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "minds. Dr. Euan Cameron ran experiments"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "at Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal."}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "He called it depatterning, erasing minds"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "through torture. Patients were put in"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "drug-induced comas for weeks, given"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "electric shock at 30 times normal"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "intensity, and forced to listen to"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "recorded messages for 16 hours a day."}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "Some victims forgot their families. They"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "forgot their names. Their entire lives"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "were erased."}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "I was exploited unwittingly for nearly"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "three decades of my life. And the only"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "explanations given to me were that"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "quote, \"The end justifies the means.\""}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "and quote, \"I was serving my country in"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "their bold effort to fight communism.\""}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "I can only summarize my circumstances by"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "saying they took an already abused"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "7-year-old child and compounded my"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "suffering beyond belief. The saddest"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "part is I know for a fact that I was not"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "alone. There were countless other"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "children in my same situation and there"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "was no one to help us. I know for a fact"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "that I was not alone."}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "Then there was Frank Olsen, a scientist"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "working in MK Ultra. He expressed"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "ethical concerns about the CIA's"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "methods. He told a supervisor he wanted"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "to resign. A few days later, Gotley's"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "team slipped LSD into Olsson's drink at"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "a CIA retreat. On November 28th, 1953, 9"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "days after being dosed, Olsen went"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "through a 10th floor hotel window. The"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "CIA said he jumped. Suicide. Case"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "closed. For 20 years, Gotley ran MK"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "Ultra with very little oversight and a"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "tremendous amount of power. But now,"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "Congress was asking questions. If MK"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "Ultra got exposed, it would be a huge"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "problem. So, Sydney Gotautle came up"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "with a solution. He ordered all MK Ultra"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "records destroyed. Thousands of"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "documents, 20 years of experiments into"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "the fire. Well, most of them anyway."}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "This is usually the part of the story"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "where I debunk whatever myth or legend"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "we've explored today. Except everything"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "in this episode is true. Sorry if it"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "wasn't super fun, but I think these"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "episodes are important to do from time"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "to time. And this Family Jewels episode"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "is just one in a series. So before you"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "ask, yes, I am uncomfortable doing this."}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "Are the most problematic? Uh, most"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "problematic for me are probably this the"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "um the CIA ones. I the one I did that"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "ended with the Agent Orange kind of"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "expose was a kind of a dangerous one. I"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "it was the dark history of DARPA and all"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "the bad stuff that DARPA's done since uh"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "since its founding. It's done some"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "horrible horrible horrible stuff. And"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "that was an episode I was afraid to"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "release. There's been a couple of those."}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "You know, MK Ultra is kind of afraid to"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "cuz I name names."}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "All of these CIA operations deserve"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "their own episode and I've covered some"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "of them if you want more detail. Links"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "are below and there's plenty more to"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "cover, but there's one I stay away from."}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "Operation Mockingbird. Mockingbird"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "exposed how tight the media is with the"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "intelligence community. I haven't"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "covered this because it's clearly still"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "going on. Twitter, Facebook, and other"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "social media platforms have already been"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "exposed as either working with or being"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "coerced by the FBI and other government"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "agencies. This is fact. And if you"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "follow TV news personalities closely,"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "you'll see that a few are still on the"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "CIA's payroll. I know their names, but I"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "won't say them here. You'll know who I"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "mean if you pay attention."}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "Now, Chaos really did index 300,000"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "Americans. That's also a fact. Fred"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "Hampton was drugged by the FBI and"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "murdered in his bed by local police,"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "coordinated by the FBI. That's a fact."}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "Frank Olsen didn't jump from that hotel"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "window. He had blunt force trauma to his"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "head before he fell. No cuts from window"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "glass. His family received $750,000"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "in hush money. The CIA admitted drugging"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "him with LSD 9 days before his death,"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "but that's about it. There's a link"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "below to the full story. The Family"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "Jewels documents expose a lot of CIA"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "secrets, but some mysteries are still"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "unexplained. Item one in the Family"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "Jewels is completely redacted. The whole"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "thing is blacked out. And after"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "everything else they revealed,"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "assassinations, mind control,"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "surveillance,"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "what could be worse? What could be in"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "there? I'm not sure we'll ever find out."}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "I'm not sure we even want to know."}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "Sydney Gotley destroyed most MK Ultra"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "records in 1973. We only know what"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "survived because of budget files. How"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "many subjects? How many people died?"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "What techniques actually worked? We'll"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "never know. The CIA made sure of that."}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "And by the way, Gotle was never held"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "accountable for any of it. Links below"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "to more. And programs like these don't"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "disappear. They evolve. They even get"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "legalized. After 9/11, Congress passed"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "the Patriot Act. Suddenly, what got the"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "CIA in trouble in the 1970s became"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "standard procedure. Mass surveillance"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "legal. Collecting data on Americans"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "without warrants legal with a FISA court"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "rubber stamp. Those secret courts"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "approved 99.97%"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "of government surveillance requests."}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "That's not oversight. That's theater."}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "Both parties voted for it. Both parties"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "renewed it. Republicans championed it"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "under Bush. Democrats expanded it under"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "Obama. Trump reauthorized it. Biden"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "extended it again. Every few years they"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "pretend to debate it. Then they quietly"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "renew it because once government gets a"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "power, it never gives it back. What took"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "Operation Chaos years to collect on"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "300,000 Americans, the NSA now collects"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "on everyone in minutes. Phone records,"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "email metadata, internet searches,"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "financial transactions."}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "Does the NSA collect any type of data at"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "all on millions or hundreds of millions"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "of Americans?"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "No, sir. Verizon offers its telephone"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "customers what's called the Share"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "Everything Plan. Well, the irony of that"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "did not escape a lot of folks today when"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "it was revealed that Verizon has been"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "sharing the phone records of millions"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "with US intelligence. And sources tell"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "us this evening that surveillance"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "extended to the internet as well. The"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "government is spying on even more of our"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "online activities than anyone imagined."}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "New leaks describe a program allowing"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "the government to snoop into a wide"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "range of activity most Americans believe"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "should be protected. The National"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "Security Agency is operating a massive"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "database system that allows analysts to"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "scour individuals emails, Facebook"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "chats, and internet browsing histories"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "at will."}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "Exposing the CIA's family jewels should"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "have been a cautionary tale, a warning."}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "Instead, the intelligence community"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "turned this into a series of tests. They"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "tested the American people to see how"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "many laws they would be allowed to"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "break. They tested us to see what"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "freedoms we would surrender. They tested"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "us to see if we would hold anyone"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "accountable."}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "The CIA, FBI, and our entire"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "intelligence apparatus has been testing"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "us for 50 years. And for 50 years, we"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "the people have failed every test. So,"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "what can we do? Probably nothing. The"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "last person to openly say the CIA needed"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "an overhaul was John F. Kennedy. How'd"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "that work out?"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "President Kennedy died at 100 p.m."}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "Central Standard Time."}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "Thank you so much for hanging out with"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "me today. My name is AJ. This has been a"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "W file stripped episode. 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Did we get all the"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "plugs? It feels like I've been talking"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "for a long time. I think that's going to"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "do it. Until next time, be safe, be"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "kind, know that you are appreciated."}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "Yeah, I know. I know."}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "I play Bolivia in Area 51. A secret code"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "inside the Bible said I would."}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "well as music singing like I should."}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "becomes the truth my friends"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "I feel the crap guy. I got stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "Mel's home with MK out of being only"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "true aware."}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "Did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "landing alone on a film set of the"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "shadow people there?"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "through well I just fought the smiling"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "man I'm told"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "and his name was cold"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "I can't"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "on Thursday night Wednesday"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "all through the night"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "I ever wanted to hear the truth so"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "all through the A"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "m sidings and the solar storm still come"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "to gather this young city underground."}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "circle too, project star gave and what"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "the dark watchers found"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "the black night."}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "Oh, I can't believe I'm dancing with the"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "fish and your fish on Thursday nights"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "when they chase you and my all through"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "the night."}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "all through the night."}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "That's when vac"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "Your girl loves to dance on the dance"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "floor because she is a camel. Camel to"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "dance when the feeling is wild."}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Cool time slip story."}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "So this story happened in 1901. The"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "ladies were Charlotte Moberly and"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Eleanor Jordad. So they literally"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "decided to go to the Palace of Versail."}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "They started doing like a walk through"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "the gardens and stuff and they cross a"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "bridge and then things just start"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "looking very very different. They look"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "over and they see two men in"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "three-pointed hats wearing long gray and"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "blue suits. They start looking at just"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "all this weird stuff and they start"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "getting this like overwhelming like"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "depressing feeling. They go over and"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "they see this woman being painted that"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "looks extremely familiar. They just"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "couldn't place her. And then they find"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "their way back and then about a week"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "later they confess like, \"Hey, did do"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "you remember something weird happening"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "at the garden?\" So they travel back to"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "the place. They try to find where they"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "walked. They couldn't find it again."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "There is no bridge even on the property"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "and it became this just big story"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "because the girl that they saw was"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Marieette. So they're putting all these"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "things together and they say that looks"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "familiar. That looks familiar. 1903 they"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "find a map that's very very old that has"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "a bridge and it's literally where they"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "would have crossed where they both said"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "we took a turn and then there was a"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "bridge and then there was a cottage and"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "there was a farmhouse all on the map."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "There's this podcast I was listening to"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "talking about different scenarios of"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "time slippage where people describe the"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "same thing. They say that it's like the"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "atmosphere changes. There's this feeling"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "of like foroding sadness and all a"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "sudden they're seeing things that aren't"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "matching up to what they know and then"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "all of a sudden like they'll take a turn"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "and then they're like back. That's so"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "weird. Like why foroding and sadness? Is"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "it because they're d e a d?"}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "the 10,000 Roman soldiers that"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "disappeared. 53 BC, Marcus Prous, who"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "was leading this Roman front, he brought"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "48 to 50,000 soldiers to fight the"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Parththeians. They got completely"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "demolished and there was 10,000 elite"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "legionnaires that survived this battle."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "But they never returned back to Rome."}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "And everyone in Rome had no idea what"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "happened to them. But what's crazy is"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "that to this day there is a small"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "village in China. People living in this"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "village have features that resemble"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "people from Italy. Chinese records"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "during the Han dynasty, they talk about"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "how the Chinese fought this group of"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "pale soldiers 20 years after. The story"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "is that after this battle, they just"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "decided to take off and form their own"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "legion, fought the Chinese, and"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "apparently established a village and"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "lived out their days there."}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Could they not return to Rome because"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "they would have been dishonored?"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": ">> But that's the thing, like who knows,"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "like what if it's like, okay, after"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "this, whoever survives, we're leaving."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "There could have been a million things"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "that were happening behind the scenes we"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "have no idea about."}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:59", "text": ">> 10,000 guys."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Well, speaking of data,"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "let's get into"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "data."}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Crazy story."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:08", "text": ">> Okay, this crazy story."}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Data."}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Data."}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": ">> Um, have you guys ever heard of Skinny"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Bob?"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:17", "text": ">> Have you?"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:18", "text": ">> I don't know why, but I have heard that"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "name."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Skinny Bob. I don't think I have."}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": ">> No, I don't."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": ">> It's insane. I just came across it"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "yesterday, and it's been out for a"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "while."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": ">> Is it scary? It sounds scary. It's a"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "little spooky, but"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:29", "text": ">> did you see Skinny Bob last night?"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> So, Skinny Bob was this random video"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "posted by this channel Ivan0135"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "on YouTube."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": ">> And this video was posted 11 years ago."}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "No description. He he posted a total of"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "four videos. But in this video, it is"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "supposedly"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "a collection of videos from it says"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "uh from 1942 to 1969 of interviewing an"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "alien."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Dang. Okay."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": ">> Have you seen this?"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:07", "text": ">> I've heard about it. Yeah. Okay. I can't"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "tell you about it cuz I don't remember,"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "but yeah, it's familiar."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> But it's very mysterious. The crazy"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "thing about this Ivan0135"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "dude never monetized the videos."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Yep. never came out and said who it was."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "Just did four videos 11 years ago and"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "then just dropped off the face of the"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "map world, whatever it is."}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": ">> How many views do these videos have?"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Like over half a million."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:31", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": ">> All right."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": ">> And I'm going to show you the video."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": ">> But at the beginning it says uh filtrate"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "for declassification and dissemin how do"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "you say that? Dissemination."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:41", "text": ">> Dissemination."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": ">> Dissemination. Good job."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Dissemination. Uh through the internet"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "and media. Seven videootapes with"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "material recorded between 1942 and"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "19669."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Material containing UFO incidents,"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "recovery and study of extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "life forms. Due to the importance of"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "these documents maintain the autonomy of"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "the sources. The video contains a sample"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "edited fragments"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "of videotape 05. Tape duration 180"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "minutes. Total recorded duration one uh"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "1 minute 26 seconds. So I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "send you the video now. And I want to"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "preface. You're going to see it and"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "you're going to be like this already"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "seems fake."}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": ">> So just keep that in mind. But I have"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "something for that."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:30", "text": ">> You guys, you have to be gentle with"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "Jake."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Do you need that?"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": ">> He's already scared."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": ">> Audio. My mom's home. I can go stay with"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "her."}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:37", "text": ">> All right. I just texted it to you guys."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": ">> I'll tell you when to click it."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "Oh, wait. It's still sending."}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": ">> What if there's an ad?"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Oh, yeah, that's true."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:46", "text": ">> No, I I screen recorded it."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:48", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": ">> all right. Ready? Three? Nope."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:50", "text": ">> Nope. Everyone got it?"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": ">> I got it."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:52", "text": ">> Oh, I'm still on airplane mode."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:56", "text": ">> All right. Three, two, one, go."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> Oh, I've seen this video."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "So, it's panning over this character"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "right now."}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": ">> I don't know about this, you guys."}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Like blink. Okay."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "It's very creative."}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": ">> It's got to be like an animation."}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Well, here's the thing. So, you look at"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "that and you think that does kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "look like it'd be CGI or something,"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:32", "text": ">> It's been tested by studios. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": ">> And it has not been discredited yet."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Ever."}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Ever."}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": ">> They said the way that it was filmed"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "because it was filmed on like one of"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "those old cameras."}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:46", "text": ">> They said it was completely accurate"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "with an old camera and the movements are"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "accurate there. They said even the"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "technology in 2011 with creating a CGI"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "like this would have been nearly"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "impossible unless you worked for a big"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "budget Hollywood film industry or"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "something."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": ">> But to this day, no one's been able to"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "discredit it."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": ">> I'm Dude, this the look of them are so"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "scary."}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": ">> That's like the ones you"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "This is like one of the drawings from"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "the Zimbabwe"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "uh school."}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": ">> Oh, that's Look at the similar that gap"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "at the jaw."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what like makes it the"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "weirdest thing about it. I think that"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "that's what makes the video so creepy to"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "me."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Is the thing alive? Is he willingly let"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "it video him or is it"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": ">> It was like captured."}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:39", "text": ">> Well, so there's the theories are that"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "um that it was a real government film"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "and Oh,"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": ">> that it was Dude, I went down a rabbit"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "hole with this thing. I saw it in our"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "YouTube history and then started"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "watching probably all the same stuff you"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "did."}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": ">> Well, one of the things is that somebody"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "believe that it's connected to the"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Majestic 12 group. I'm like, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "well, what's the Majestic 12 group?\""}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": ">> That's basically what we would call the"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "um like the Men in Black now."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": ">> Yeah. But it's a group of like CIA, like"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "different um"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:13", "text": ">> division of of that CIA government."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": ">> That just focuses on that."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:16", "text": ">> Yeah. But it was like an old video. Some"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "believe that it was actually from the"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "KGB, too."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": ">> Where's the original video? Is that the"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": ">> That's the only place that it's located"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "at is on this YouTube. No one's taking"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "credit for it either."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": ">> Yeah. You think someone would, but maybe"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "that was the whole thing. It's like, I"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "can't put my name on this, but I can put"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "it out."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:35", "text": ">> I That's interesting. Do you believe in"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "aliens, Jake?"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": ">> I don't know. I've never seen one, but"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "I've seen some weird stuff. So, that"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "that could be alienesque."}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:42", "text": ">> Never UFO or anything?"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:44", "text": ">> Potentially. I saw something. Do you"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "want me to tell you what it is?"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:46", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": ">> we were playing basketball one night"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "late at like a local park in our town"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "and the sky just like explodes."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "Something in the sky explodes and it"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "lights up the whole sky and the whole"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "world like baby blue. The light was like"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "baby blue and you could see everything."}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "It was a dark night, but when this thing"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "exploded, you could see all the houses"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "on the streets, everything. And then it"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "shot off and exploded again and lit up"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "the whole sky brighter and then just dis"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "like nothing happened after that. And we"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "were and we never saw anything online"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "about it, anything in the news. We"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "thought about going up and asking"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "neighbors with a Ring camera facing that"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "way if they caught anything, but"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": ">> we didn't get that far. It was probably"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "four years ago."}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:29", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:29", "text": ">> Golly,"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:30", "text": ">> that was"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Yeah, that stuff would mess with you."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:32", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:32", "text": ">> that's such a weird thing."}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": ">> Like cuz I Does it give any more"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "information on like what was it called?"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "The 12. But what?"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": ">> So the Majestic 12. So I looked into"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "that a little bit more. So, the Majestic"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "12 is a top secret US government"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "committee formed in 1947 by President"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "Harry Truman to investigate and manage"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "everything related to extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "contact, especially after the Roswell"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "incident. It comp was comprised of 12"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "members, top military, brass, uh,"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "scientists, intelligence officers. And"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "the way that they found out about this"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "majestic 12 group supposedly"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "was in 1984 a roll of 35 millimeter film"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "was mysteriously mailed to a UFO"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "researcher"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": ">> uh Jamie Shindira"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "uh when developed it revealed top secret"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "documents allegedly briefing President"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "Eisenhower, details about the formation"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "of MJ12, mentions of alien bodies"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "recovered, crash saucers, and coverup"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "operations."}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "Spooky"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:35", "text": ">> 12 members."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:37", "text": ">> they're keeping it small."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:39", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": ">> like they're like intentionally"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "probably. But golly, that's just I feel"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "like that's a movie first of all."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": ">> Just about those 12 guys. But that's"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:47", "text": ">> I want Yeah, that we got to do a deep"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "dive on have the beginning of CIA as"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "well."}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": ">> Like because that's just like"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": ">> how do they how does that not I don't"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "know. Was that public knowledge at that"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "time? the group."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": ">> Uh, was it? No. Yeah. The only way it"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "was found out was in 1984 because a film"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "was sent to a UFOologist."}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": ">> That's scary."}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:07", "text": ">> The name Majestic, too, is so funny."}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Like"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": ">> Majestic."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:10", "text": ">> The 12 is a weird part to me. It's like"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "biblical."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": ">> Like have a crew of 12. But I saw I saw"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "that one of the theories which I think"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "is the most likely if it's not real is"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "that it was somebody who was like in"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "film school and they were like"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "experimenting with like different"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "methods. And so I started thinking like"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "what would I do if I were going to fake"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "this but before I get into it like"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "they've said like people far more"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "experienced than me have like already"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "tried to disprove this. All I can think"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "is like I wonder if it would work. Like"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "if you were playing a video on a screen"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "and then film that screen with the"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "camera that they said use, I wonder if"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "that would be like a workaround to like"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": ">> I think they would probably think of"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "that trying to disprove it."}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:52", "text": ">> If this thing's being studied,"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:54", "text": ">> my thing is like the way it was like"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "moving and stuff, you would think it"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "kind of looks fake, but also imagine"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "seeing something that you've never seen"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "before."}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:04", "text": ">> Like wouldn't it register in your head"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "as like, oh well this has to be fake cuz"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "you're observing for like little"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "movements of like oh that's probably CGI"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "then."}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": ">> Yeah. You're looking at something you're"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "hoping well your mind is like what's"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "going to make sense? What's relatable to"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "our human being experience and like how"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "humans move? But it's like what if it's"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "completely different by other creatures?"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "That's one of the arguments for it is"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "they were like if this was just a kid"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "like trying to get through an art school"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "and like pass a project, he would have"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "to have like an advanced like an"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "advanced knowledge of like the way that"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "the muscles in the neck and the face"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "move because it's all like anatomically"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "like it's dead on how balancing a head"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "would work."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:41", "text": ">> And to not take credit for it is insane."}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": ">> Ninjas are butterflies."}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:50", "text": ">> Did I say ninjas? I meant"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": ">> butterfly."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": ">> The butterfly is no doubt one of God's"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "greatest"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "empty your mind."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": ">> You were martial arts."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Do you guys hear about that interstellar"}, {"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "object coming into orbit?"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "Wa!"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "What the?"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "For real?"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "The lights that you're seeing, it's"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "caused by different exposures. So each"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "dot represents its speed and rotation."}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "So it's outside of our solar system"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "right now. It's entering our solar"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "system. It's moving retrograde, which is"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "super wild. They've observed it"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "accelerating and slowing down. It's"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "named 3i Atlas, 7 mi in diameter, bigger"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "than Mount Everest, making it the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "largest interstellar object ever"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "spotted. It's traveling at 130,000 mph."}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "This is what's also super weird that"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "it's almost like it's directing itself"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "to where it's going to use the"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "gravitational pool of Mars, I think"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "Venus, to basically slingshot itself"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "around the sun. October 29th, it's"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "basically going to go dark behind the"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "sun and they don't know what's going to"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "happen or what path it's going to take"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "when it exits rotation around the sun."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Like, it could be headed straight"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "towards Earth."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "Dude, what if it just comes around the"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "corner of the sun? It's just like three"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "times bigger. This dude from Harvard and"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "colleagues have proposed that threeey"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "atlas could be intelligent alien"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "technology, citing its unusual orbit"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "alignment with Venus, Mars, and Jupiter."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "So, they're saying that thing's crazy."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Did you know that there's an alien"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "spaceship heading right towards us?"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:04", "text": ">> And your iPhone's definitely giving you"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "cancer."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": ">> And two women time travel in France in"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "the 1900s. Where did they go? We have no"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "idea."}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:11", "text": ">> We actually do."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": ">> We actually don't, though. We don't know"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "exactly where they went."}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Well, they we know where they"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:16", "text": ">> They're still missing."}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": ">> They're dead."}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": ">> We don't know that, though."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:20", "text": ">> Yeah, we do know they're dead. Those in"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "the 1990s."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": ">> No one knows where they are"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": ">> in the ground. They're dead."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": ">> People haven't seen them in 50 years."}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "They're dead. And I've been there for a"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "long time."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> They're missing."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:33", "text": ">> All right, you do your thing."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:34", "text": ">> What thing?"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Well, go back."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": ">> Do the thing, Lil."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Do the thing."}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": ">> I like I'm supposed to remember all the"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "time. I don't usually do it."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:44", "text": ">> You the best two times I've done it."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Someone pull up time stamps of every"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "time Lily said this."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Should I do it different?"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Do it in a really racist Asian"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "accent."}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:55", "text": ">> No, I will not. No, I will not."}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] you about my sent. Watch this or"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "listen."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:02", "text": ">> I was so racist."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Oh my gosh,"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Lily. I didn't even do an accent. I"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "didn't even do an accent."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": ">> That sounded pretty dead on."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": ">> No, I would never do that. And I didn't"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "do that."}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": ">> That was so That was insane."}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:15", "text": ">> You weren't actually trying to"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:17", "text": ">> No,"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": ">> I"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Stop it right now. Why are you laughing?"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": ">> just joking."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Do you know how old Moses was when he"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "confronted Pharaoh?"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:35", "text": ">> 135."}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:36", "text": ">> 80."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:37", "text": ">> Dang it."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": ">> 80."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": ">> And with a stutter."}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": ">> We assume."}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> That's not what I say. He had a stutter."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "It"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": ">> just says he his speech is slow."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:48", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:49", "text": ">> yeah. I wonder if he just I wonder if"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "that's what like that's actually funny"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "to think about like what was the impet"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "like the"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": ">> I wonder if he just had a thick draw."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:58", "text": ">> He just took forever to say things."}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:00", "text": ">> Pharaoh, you need to let our people go."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": ">> I will do it if you wrap it up. Moses,"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "you're taking my whole afternoon."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": ">> Here's the thing."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Okay. All right."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:14", "text": ">> One."}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "Just if you ain't going to let him go."}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": ">> It's going to be bad news for you."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": ">> See, the thing is I want clarification"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "of why it's going to be bad. But I"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": ">> frogs."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "I'm talking pestilence."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": ">> This is taking forever."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": ">> I'm talking turning that river that you"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "love."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Is there some other guy I could talk to?"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "This is crazy."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Is it blood?"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "I'm talking about"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "famine."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": ">> I'm talking about darkness."}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:52", "text": ">> Yeah. I wor of all"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": ">> I'm talking about your first your your"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "boy your boy's going to die."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:01", "text": ">> Okay. Don't say that. All right. Don't"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "come in here."}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": ">> I didn't mean to get you get you"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "excited."}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": ">> I'm just telling you how it is. You just"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "like to interrupt as well. So that's"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "also a problem. You talk slow and you"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "interrupt."}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": ">> I'll have my brother Aaron fill you in"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "with the rest."}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:18", "text": ">> I would love to talk to literally anyone"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "else."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:20", "text": ">> But before I go,"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": ">> this is hard to listen to."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Right. That's why you had Aaron speak."}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:30", "text": ">> That's our Bible lesson today."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": ">> I thought Aaron didn't speak."}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": ">> Aaron spoke."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": ">> Thought he would but didn't end up"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "speaking."}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "I read it last night and it pretty much"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "says he spoke."}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Did you really?"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm reading Exodus."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": ">> What is that? He had a little"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": ">> Didn't know where to go."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Exodus"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": ">> You're very orange today."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Yeah, we had a conversation."}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Why did you say something nice?"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:06", "text": ">> It's just the light. The light's super"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "warm."}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:07", "text": ">> I know. I like it."}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:08", "text": ">> Oh, golly."}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Compliment. It's not as bright in my"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "eyes."}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": ">> I I really like your outfit today and"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "your boots."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": ">> These boots are made for walking."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": ">> Walking"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": ">> Phoenix."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "I went into the TOA store in Orlando"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "this past weekend."}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": ">> What's that?"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": ">> It is a boot and leather store."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Did you get that?"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": ">> And it smelt fant. Dude, I'm tempted."}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "They're so expensive though. Takovas,"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "please sponsor us. Dude, if we got a"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "boot sponsor, that'd be sick."}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Are you going to wear them with your"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Jord?"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:39", "text": ">> I 100% would. New boot goofing, dude."}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": ">> Why rock boots when you can rock these"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "bad boys?"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": ">> Teas, baby."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": ">> You're one of those people, Andy. I"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "can't picture wearing long pants."}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:51", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": ">> he looks very handsome in them."}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": ">> That's what I wore a lot before I moved"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "to Florida. Then it's like, why do I why"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "would I ever wear pants in Florida?"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:59", "text": ">> You weren't one of the guys that were"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "like, I'm not even cold. I don't need"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "Odie right now."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": ">> I mean, I did do that obviously. You"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "know, I still wore like Chacos and my"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "Crocs. Actually, I didn't wear Crocs"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "until I moved to Florida."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:10", "text": ">> My Crocs."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:11", "text": ">> It's a culture thing."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:12", "text": ">> it's a cultural thing, dude."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:15", "text": ">> Um, energy seems a little low."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": ">> Is that monologue, dude? What is this?"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "What is this? What's this I'm feeling?"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": ">> Is it darker in here?"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:27", "text": ">> Is it dark? I don't think"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": ">> the lights are all the way up. Maybe."}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Do you want it up all the way? It looks"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "good on camera. I I like how it is. It's"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "not too bright. It's not hurting my"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "eyes. I'm not gonna leave with a"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "headache today."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": ">> Crank them up."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": ">> Turn them up then."}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": ">> We purposely just because we just have"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "you. We just need a specific energy from"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "you. It needs to be a little chaotic."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Hey, literally like you're playing like"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "a frequency to make me mad."}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Frequency. Frequency."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "Do you want a song?"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:58", "text": ">> Do you want a song?"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:59", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:00", "text": ">> Good."}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "Good."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:03", "text": ">> That's what I'm talking about."}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Wrote this song"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "about"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "I don't know 30 minutes ago."}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Because there's a big news story"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "out recently that"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": ">> you seen what they're doing in schools"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "lately."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": ">> Instead of uh"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:21", "text": ">> shootings."}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:23", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": ">> Like school pictures?"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": ">> They have drones."}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Taking pictures of the children."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": ">> No. surveying, protecting"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": ">> in the hallways and stuff like for"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "protection now. So, I think we were a"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "little inspired"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "about 30 minutes ago. So,"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": ">> honestly, forget what the song sounds"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "like."}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": ">> I'll figure it out."}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "Summer's over. Looks like it's back to"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "school again."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "But it's different cuz something's"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "watching all of my friends."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "There it is. This flying drone sent to"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "protect."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "I don't feel safe with it. Breathing"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "down our"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "necks."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "Breathing down our necks. I don't feel"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "safe. I don't feel safe."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe. I"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "was bullied by a drone today."}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "The bell it rings and then it fires my"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "way"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "then upside down and then shake me."}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "Take everything I have and then slowly"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "I was bullied by a drone today."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "Lifted in the air by a w."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "It follows me home every night."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "It's so hard when your body takes"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "why do"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "they do this?"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "Yay! That was really good. Scary, but"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "maybe good."}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "What do you think?"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": ">> Um, I don't know."}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": ">> I'm not so sure anymore."}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": ">> Um, no, it's pretty smart."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:07", "text": ">> I mean, it's crazy that like"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": ">> I don't think it's like they're not"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "flying around every day. It's like when"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "there is a situation"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Instead of the cops having to like"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "figure out where that person is."}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Yeah. For now. Well, we give them an"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "inch. They take a mile."}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:24", "text": ">> Hey,"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": ">> first they're monitoring school"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "shootings and then the next they're"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "scanning little toddlers for lies."}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": ">> And being hall monitors and decapitating"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "teachers."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:35", "text": ">> I'm for it."}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": ">> Okay. Thousand%. I helped I helped Paige"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "clear out her classroom and there was a"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "brick in the uh in her cupboard and I"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "was like, \"What's this doing here?\" And"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "apparently one of her students during a"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "lockdown was like, \"This is so you can"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "help protect yourself.\" But the fact"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "that that's a conversation that happened"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "in the classroom, I'm like, \"Do anything"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "to help teachers.\""}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": ">> No, I agree. Yeah. I remember like too"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "when like that most recent one had"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "happened, where was it? The Pine"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": ">> Oh, was um was it in Tennessee?"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:05", "text": ">> I don't remember. No, I thought it was"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "like in South Florida. Oh, I don't"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "remember."}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": ">> I don't remember. But uh terrible"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "obviously, but I remember like even kids"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "that we knew that were going to the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "private school, it became such a subject"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "and like there was so much around it"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "that kids were so freaked out. There's"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "so much anxiety."}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:19", "text": ">> That big one that happened. It was"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "something park, wasn't it? It was."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Park."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Something."}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:23", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": ">> It's terrible."}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": ">> I just think all teachers should have"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "guns."}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:28", "text": ">> Multiple."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": ">> I don't know. I think I think some of"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "the I think it's the kids like the"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "really cool ones it's like springloaded"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "under their sleeves like"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:37", "text": ">> Inspector Gadget."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Or like the old old western"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "movies."}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:41", "text": ">> Wild Wild West."}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": ">> Wow. Wow. Wow. Wild"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": ">> Wild Wild West."}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:48", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Everyone be quiet though."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": ">> All right."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": ">> All right."}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": ">> Chill, dude. I wish I could encourage."}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:02", "text": ">> Of course I am"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "because of Gosh, I don't I hate this. I"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "hate doing this."}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": ">> That's a bad word."}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:12", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "Have some a little respect."}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:18", "text": ">> I won't."}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Does God hate sin?"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": ">> He He doesn't like it."}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:23", "text": ">> He hates it."}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": ">> Hate is a bad word. That's not a bad"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "word if it's applied in the right"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "direction."}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "The one direction."}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:33", "text": ">> Solid band."}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Baby, you light up my world likebody"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "else."}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": ">> Stop. Please stop."}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:38", "text": ">> It's like the Moses monologue again."}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": ">> You guys are You're I'm glad you guys"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "are having fun with this."}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:46", "text": ">> Oh, we're sorry. We're sorry."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": ">> Go ahead, Josh. Go ahead."}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": ">> Li, could you just give me a second?"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "Golly, I'm It's taking a lot out of me."}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "I read this question earlier and I'm"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "like, ah,"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "man, I don't want to ask this cuz it's I"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "don't know. It's a tough subject. It's a"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "tough subject."}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": ">> So, don't ask it."}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:06", "text": ">> Look, could you just zip it?"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "Just this one time."}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:12", "text": ">> Just zip it. Wow."}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:14", "text": ">> Out of out of love."}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "Anyways, you're making I can't It's"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "okay. All right, I'll just get on with"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:24", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": ">> Lil,"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": ">> do it. Ask him right now."}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:29", "text": ">> What's your deal today?"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:30", "text": ">> Take it so long."}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": ">> We turn the lights down for you. We got"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "you this nice warm light so you wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "get all agitated. Guess who's agitated?"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:39", "text": ">> That one."}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": ">> I'll leave you over."}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. I'm sorry. Okay, I'll"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "just ask you. Whatever. Today's question"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "is sent by a viewer. Should male"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "privilege be a priority?"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "Happy"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "Are you happy? Should male privilege be"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "a priority?"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "You're so eager to get this question"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "going. Why don't you answer first?"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": ">> I don't even know. I don't even know"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "what that means."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": ">> Wow. Male privilege. Do you know what"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "male? Let me explain what a male is."}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": ">> Okay, chill out. I know what male"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "privilege is, but what do you mean a"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "priority?"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": ">> Should it be a priority? Should it be"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "allowed more?"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:20", "text": ">> Should we focus on it and put like see"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "it as an importance."}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Be attentive."}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": ">> Should male privilege be a priority?"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:29", "text": ">> Male"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": ">> out of everything in the world can be a"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "priority, but they"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": ">> No. Out of"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": ">> It should not be prioritized over"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": ">> other people."}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": ">> What are you talking about? What are you"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "What are you talking about?"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": ">> So that's a no."}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:45", "text": ">> It should not be prioritized. What she"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "says?"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": ">> It should not have more priority."}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "Then what?"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:53", "text": ">> Then others don't even"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "everybody should have equal freedom. Do"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": ">> you even stand for freedom? Do you stand"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "for democracy? What about freedom of"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "speech? What about freedom of speech?"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "What about a love letter? Huh? What"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "about the people of North Korea and and"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "Iran that cannot receive mail?"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": ">> That took a minute to connect in my"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "head."}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": ">> The privilege to be able to receive mail"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "is huge. That's what makes this country"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "beautiful."}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": ">> Absolutely. And if once we don't make"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "that a priority, we're taking such step"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "backs in American history and"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "progressiveness like this is we're this"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "is democracy."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": ">> It's democracy. It's freedom. And you"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "want to you just you want those poor"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "people of North Korea and Iran and"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "currently right now in Russia and Crimea"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "and parts of Ukraine that since the war"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "broke out in 2022 have not been able to"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "receive mail. I'm talking love letters."}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:44", "text": ">> I'm talking fun magazines. I'm talking"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": ">> recipes. recipes. I'm talking maybe"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "bills. Maybe bills that could help other"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": ">> Well, listen. I I misunders"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:56", "text": ">> Hey, I misunderstood. I'm sorry."}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:58", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:59", "text": ">> because it's easy to say that now."}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Save it."}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": ">> Where's the grace?"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": ">> You telling me, Lil, where's the grace"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "in those people that just want a letter?"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "Maybe they want a letter from their"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "mama."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": ">> From their papa."}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": ">> Because they've been estranged for so"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "long. Things have been keeping them"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "apart. But the only thing that can bring"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "them together"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": ">> is a letter of love. And you want to"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "take that and throw it in the trash. I"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "agree with you. If I If I hear If I"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "heard it here, if I heard it straight,"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "if I heard it right."}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": ">> Lily wants those who are alone."}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Check."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Who are sad,"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": ">> Check,"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:37", "text": ">> who are wondering where what words have"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "my has my lover written to me? She wants"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "those people to remain in isolation."}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": ">> Absolutely. Right on."}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": ">> Because she does not prioritize mail."}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": ">> No."}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": ">> In restricted areas. You guys heard it"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "here first. Everything I just said. I"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "think I did that backwards. Welcome to"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "show."}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:02", "text": ">> Did I say ninja? I meant"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": ">> butterfly."}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": ">> The butterfly is no doubt one of"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "empty your mind. You were martial arts."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": ">> [\u00a0__\u00a0] just attack."}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": ">> Heck yeah, brother. Heck yeah, brother."}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "That's how you do it. That's how you do"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:24", "text": ">> Peace."}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": ">> You ever do that at home whenever you"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "guys are arguing when you know you're in"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "the wrong, but yet you still just try to"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "twist it?"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": ">> Maybe sometimes. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": ">> You're like, I can do this."}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:37", "text": ">> You're crazy, Lil. I can't"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": ">> I can't even talk to you right now."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": ">> Oh man. How are you doing?"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": ">> Good. So good. So good. You guys are"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "about to go on a little vacay."}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:50", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:50", "text": ">> You excited to go to the beach with a"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "whole family?"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": ">> Vacay. But then I have to come back one"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "day on my vacay to film a podcast, but"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "it's going to be a very cool podcast."}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "chaunted cosmos."}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": ">> Shaunted Mossmos."}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": ">> Still don't have any idea. You'll see."}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:09", "text": ">> I'm excited. I have no idea. This is"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "great."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:11", "text": ">> The collab of the century."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:12", "text": ">> That's what they call it."}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:14", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": ">> You guys are going to be working so hard"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "and I'm going to be poolside"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "like this."}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:19", "text": ">> You're not coming."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:20", "text": ">> No way, dude. I'm not leaving the beach."}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "Forget about it."}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:23", "text": ">> Pathetic."}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": ">> I think I would just leave. I wanted to"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "segue into this at some point. My number"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "one celebrity want to meet has changed."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:33", "text": ">> Who was it before? like Phil Rosenthal"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "or um uh what's his face?"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": ">> Uh Danny DeVito."}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:41", "text": ">> No, the um chef."}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:42", "text": ">> Oh, um Gordon Ramsey."}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:44", "text": ">> Jur Jerry Seinfeld."}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:45", "text": ">> Jerry Seinfield."}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:46", "text": ">> It's now Jeff Probes."}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:47", "text": ">> Famous Chef."}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:48", "text": ">> Jeff Probes."}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:49", "text": ">> Jeff Probes. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:50", "text": ">> I have so many questions for him."}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:52", "text": ">> Dude, he would be amazing on this"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "podcast."}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:54", "text": ">> He'd be so good."}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:55", "text": ">> He gets so in the game. I'm loving"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "watching his reactions because when"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "they're playing the game, the way that"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "he infuriates him."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": ">> He's like, \"That was dumb.\" when someone"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "disrespects the game, dude. Especially"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "when people like want to quit or like"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "don't see that like millions of people"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "would kill to be in the seat that you're"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "in and you're complaining right now."}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "That just happened like uh last night on"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "one of the um seasons uh that we just"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "bought we just started a new one and"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "literally the first vote of the season"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "and there's this group of people and"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "there's one person who's doing who"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "literally started the fire found the"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "water and literally built the camp and"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "they voted her off the first round and"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "Jeff is like"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": ">> are you like he literally like in those"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "many words like literally just saying"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "he's like yeah let's see how this well"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "will well this works out. It's like this"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "is crazy. He just did that like the"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "season that we're watching. They're all"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "big whiny babies. A lot of them are"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "like, \"We're not I'm not even here for"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "the money. I'm here for the sense of"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "community.\" And it's like, \"What are you"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "doing?\""}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": ">> And Jeff is like,"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:52", "text": ">> \"What are you guys doing?\" Like losing"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "his mind."}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:55", "text": ">> Isn't it a great like social experiment"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "though on just humanity?"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:58", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": ">> Like just how quickly people align with"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "each other, start lying."}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:03", "text": ">> But you have to also realize it is just"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "a game."}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:06", "text": ">> I know."}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": ">> Like that's the struggle. It's like"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "people do these things like uh over the"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "seasons you'll just see people take a"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "stand and you know do the the right"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "thing. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:16", "text": ">> The moral thing but it's also like but"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "you're also playing a game."}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": ">> No. Exactly. And that's what I like."}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "Tina was like don't vote based off of"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "your hurt feelings. This is a game. You"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "know you lost. Don't be a baby about it."}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:27", "text": ">> But it's also like like okay Rob in this"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "season he's like"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": ">> two boss and Rob's the best."}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:31", "text": ">> He's like I'm gonna he's like you can"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "cross me and I'll remember it outside of"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "the game. And it's like, \"What are you"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "talking about? Take a chill pill,"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "everybody.\""}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": ">> The funniest way he talk, he's like"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "literally like the mafia, dude."}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:43", "text": ">> He's so funny."}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:44", "text": ">> He's like, I think they're lying to me."}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:46", "text": ">> He's like, I'm going to figure it out,"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "though."}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:48", "text": ">> They They'll do what I tell them to do."}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:50", "text": ">> They're They're afraid of me."}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:51", "text": ">> I'm controlling this whole thing."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:52", "text": ">> The way you control them is through"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "fear."}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": ">> Speaking of fear,"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:59", "text": ">> do you guys Do you know that guy Julian"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "Brown?"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:02", "text": ">> Julian Brown."}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": ">> He's this guy that"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": ">> Is that him? Yeah. He became kind of"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "famous on Tik Tok and stuff for creating"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "a machine that can turn plastic into"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "gasoline."}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:16", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:17", "text": ">> How's he doing?"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:18", "text": ">> Well, he's missing."}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": ">> Are we dumb?"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:24", "text": ">> Do they think we're dumb?"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": ">> As of as of right now when we're filming"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "this, he is missing. And before that, he"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "was saying kind of like"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "stuff like there's seems like there's a"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "lot of black helicopters flying over my"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "house lately."}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": ">> Like cars are driving by my house. And"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "then all of a sudden,"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:42", "text": ">> gone."}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": ">> Dude, I just If you're doing stuff like"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "that, write it down. Make 10 copies."}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "Don't tell anybody."}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": ">> You know what's going to happen. And"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "send it to like trustworthy, influential"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": ">> Who can you trust? That's the thing. Who"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "who can you trust? cuz you think you"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "trust all these people."}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:59", "text": ">> Be safe by exposing yourself on social"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "media."}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Like my thing is like, oh, put on"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "YouTube, make sure everyone's aware of"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "it. But one person goes missing, it just"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "stops, man."}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:09", "text": ">> What are we going to do about it? I"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "guess."}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:10", "text": ">> Did you see his mom's statement?"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:12", "text": ">> No."}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": ">> So she came out, made a statement, said"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "he's fine, but went internet dark for"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "his own safety. So apparently like it"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "escalated to a point where he was like,"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "I need to"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:23", "text": ">> like maybe got a threat or something."}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:25", "text": ">> So I mean that's that's the end of it."}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "And all the articles I was reading"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "trying to like find more info were all"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "those dumb like you read the first three"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "lines like you get the beginning of the"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "thesis and then it's like pay $12.99 a"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "month. And so I was like dumb. But"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:40", "text": ">> interesting"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": ">> but that'd be also like if he had"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "disappeared be like your son's gone."}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "You're next. You're gonna put out this"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "statement that's the end of it because"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "people will like let it go assuming he"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "just went internet dark."}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": ">> Yeah. It's crazy how that happens to a"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "lot of these inventors like the dude"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "that made the engine that runs off of"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "water and stuff."}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:22:00", "text": ">> So so many That's the thing. It's like"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:01", "text": ">> gone."}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": ">> Yeah. It's like it happens once or twice"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "maybe coincidence."}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": ">> But it's a joke now where it's like"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:09", "text": ">> good nice knowing you. Like you see one"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "of those comments like, \"Hey, I just did"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "this.\" It's like, \"Nice knowing you.\""}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": ">> And we don't do anything. I mean, we"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "can't do anything about it."}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:17", "text": ">> That's the sucky thing."}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": ">> It's such a threat now, though. It's"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "just like I mean you can make money off"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "of it. But that's the whole thing."}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "That's why I'm obsessed with this idea"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "that why we had electric cars back in"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "1910. We had charging ports around the"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "cities and yet we act like electric cars"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "were just now invented in the past 20"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:37", "text": ">> It's because they couldn't make money"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "off of it right then. They wanted to"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "make more money off of something else"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "maybe. But now it's like if you can turn"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "plastic into gasoline that seems like a"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "good money maker."}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:48", "text": ">> Yeah. But if they're trying to achieve"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "something by being overseas and for the"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "sake of oil and the sake of all these"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "other things, it doesn't make sense"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "because we have enough plastic here."}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:58", "text": ">> All that all that plastic in the ocean,"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "it's like that's literally fuel you're"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "saying."}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I mean, it would be it what"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "he's proposing would absolutely change"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "the course of everything, especially for"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "this kind of like maybe dark whatever"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "because it's like for one, it's going to"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "make the entire, you know, gas car"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "industry source"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:16", "text": ">> and also it's taking care of this issue"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "that is polluting our natural world. So"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "maybe that conversation of climate"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "change goes out the window as well,"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": ">> which is also a farce. And also, I mean,"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "I'm assuming you if it could be created"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "by some dude on his own, like surely"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "that could be created into a product"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "where people can have it in their own"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "homes,"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:36", "text": ">> creating their own fuel."}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:37", "text": ">> Oh, I I believe"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": ">> so. That's not a money maker as well."}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": ">> I believe in everything in me that the"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "the major car players know all of this"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "to be true already. They just don't want"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "to"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": ">> Yeah. big oil and all that stuff."}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:48", "text": ">> Well, they're already too invested in"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "electric like with the stuff I was"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "talking about Texas, the amount of the"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "millions upon millions of dollars"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "they're going into lithium. So if they"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "found a renewable source to basically"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "keep all the gas engines running, it it"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "would be detrimental to their invested"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "projections."}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:03", "text": ">> We could do a whole podcast about people"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "that have invented stuff that had gone"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "missing."}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": ">> Oh yeah, dude."}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": ">> Like the lady that it was like she made"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "this it was she was a Chinese American"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "lady and she made this huge breakthrough"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "of uh uh anti-gravity."}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:21", "text": ">> Huge breakthrough. and was I think she"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "like presented it to some accolade I"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "don't know some group of people and then"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "just gone supposedly the rumor is that"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "China came in and"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": ">> kidnapped her and took her back to China"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:38", "text": ">> to where she could do whole her"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "anti-gravity over there."}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Why are you helping out"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "these people?"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:45", "text": ">> Where's your nationalism?"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": ">> American."}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "American."}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:50", "text": ">> I really like hot dogs."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "Is that what her argument was?"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": ">> I don't want to go back here."}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": ">> Um, speaking of hot dogs."}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:25:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:01", "text": ">> Did you guys hear about that"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "interstellar object coming into orbit?"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:04", "text": ">> Yeah. What's gen like?"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:06", "text": ">> This isn't the 12 mile wide one, is it?"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:08", "text": ">> Seven mile."}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:09", "text": ">> What's the update on that big looming"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "one?"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:11", "text": ">> The mother ship."}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:13", "text": ">> Apparently, this is a different one."}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:16", "text": ">> And"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": ">> so, it's coming into or our orbit."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "Earth. Our orbit."}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": ">> Not Earth's orbit."}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:20", "text": ">> Earth. Our orbit. So, what it's doing"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "is it's not going to orbit."}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "It's going around other orbits, though."}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:29", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": ">> Um, what's crazy is that it's it's so"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "it's outside of our solar system right"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "now. It's entering our solar system, but"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "it's moving retrograde, which means it's"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "moving the opposite direction of how the"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "planets rotate around the sun."}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:44", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:44", "text": ">> Which is super wild. going against na"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "the natural rhythm of it."}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:49", "text": ">> But there's no outgassing or trail like"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "or tail from this object, meaning that"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "it's not a comet and that it can they've"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "observed it accelerating and slowing"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "down and accelerating and slowing down."}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "And um uh they first observed it in"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "Chile uh in early July, July 1st, 2025."}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "It's named three Atlas. Uh, seven miles"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "in diameter."}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "Um, and it's so it's bigger than Mount"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "Everest, making it the largest"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "interstellar object ever spotted."}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "And one of this this um is he an"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "astronomer dude from Harvard who's"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "talked he's been on the news before, but"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "he believes that it's fully alien tech."}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "Like he's like it's he said it has to be"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:41", "text": ">> something. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:42", "text": ">> it's a design of some sort. It's not"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "just a random."}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:45", "text": ">> Now, is the slowing down, speeding up,"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "is that common for like comets and"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "stuff? Do they like usually shift?"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:52", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": ">> cuz it like if if it were coming close"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "enough to other things like encountering"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "gravitational fields, it would"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:59", "text": ">> get slung out of those."}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:00", "text": ">> That's my thing is I was wondering if it"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "was just kind of if it was common"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "because if not, then it's like that's"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "crazy. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:06", "text": ">> That it's like being gassed up and break"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "down. Uh but"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:09", "text": ">> it's traveling at 130,000 mph."}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "Um and it's they they're saying that"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "it's um path it's basically going to"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "like use this is what's also super weird"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "that it's almost like it's directing"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "itself to where it's going to use the"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "gravitational pool of Mars and I think"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "Venus to basically slingshot itself"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "around the sun. So there's going to be a"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "time in I believe September. Oh, wait,"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "no. October 29th."}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "roughly around the orbit mark. Hold on."}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "Closest point to the sun around October"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "29th, 2025. It's basically going to go"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "dark behind the sun."}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": ">> And they don't know what's going to"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "happen or what path it's going to take"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "when it exits the rotation around the"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "sun. Like, it could be headed straight"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "towards Earth"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:58", "text": ">> because it's totally unpredictable at"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "this point."}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:28:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Because they won't be able to have"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "eyes on it."}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:02", "text": ">> Dude, what if it just comes around the"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "corner of the sun? It's just like three"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "times bigger."}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:08", "text": ">> So scary."}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:09", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:09", "text": ">> dude. I wonder what that thing looks"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "like. Do they have pictures of it yet?"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:13", "text": ">> Yeah, this is a crazy picture. Let me"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "I'll send it to you and then I want to"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "see your reaction."}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:17", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": ">> Is this real?"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:19", "text": ">> Yeah, this is a real picture."}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:22", "text": ">> Oh man,"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "that's so scary."}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": ">> What the"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "For real?"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "What the"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": ">> red, blue, and green lights all the way"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "across. So,"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": ">> how is that possible?"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": ">> Where do they get three eyes from?"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:44", "text": ">> Three eyes."}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:45", "text": ">> They called it a three-eyed"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:46", "text": ">> because it's the third interstellar"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "object that we've been able to observe"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "coming into our orbit. So, it's three"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "eye third interstellar object."}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": ">> Three eye. Not three eyed."}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:56", "text": ">> Yeah, three eye."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "Interstellar."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:59", "text": ">> They should have said it different."}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "Anyways, the"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:02", "text": ">> the scientist should have said it"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "differently."}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": ">> The lights that you're seeing uh it's"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "caused by different exposures."}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "So, basically the um wavelengths of"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "light penetrating. So, they're they're"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "observing."}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:16", "text": ">> So, each dot represents its speed and"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "rotation basically. So, it's not like"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "that long thing. Is it?"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:23", "text": ">> It's like it's basically like a time"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "lapse of it."}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:26", "text": ">> Oh, I see."}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:27", "text": ">> Yeah. So, but that's showing you how"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "it's speeding up, slowing down, speeding"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "up."}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "Wow,"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:32", "text": ">> that's strange."}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:34", "text": ">> Super creepy."}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:38", "text": ">> Don't know what to make of that."}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": ">> Yeah, I don't know anything about rocket"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "surgery. So it's the harvard astron"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "astronomer Avi lobe uh and colleagues"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "have proposed a more speculative idea"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "that three atlas could be intelligent"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "alien technology citing its unusual"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "orbit alignment with Venus, Mars, and"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "Jupiter and the lack or minimal"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "outgassing uh despite apparent motion"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "anomalies."}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "So they're saying that thing's crazy."}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "So overall,"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": ">> let me sum it up. Let me just put in"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "layman's terms. That's crazy. Wacky"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:17", "text": ">> What? You guys see that?"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": ">> That's like a rocket ship."}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": ">> I don't know though."}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": ">> So rocket, if it was like rocket or"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "asteroids, it would always leave a trail"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "or something. But this thing is not."}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:33", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:33", "text": ">> Especially going against something, you"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "would expect to see a lot more."}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:36", "text": ">> Going against the orbit of the planets"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "around the sun. It's literally going the"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "opposite way."}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:43", "text": ">> That's sc that's scary."}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:44", "text": ">> That's scary."}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:45", "text": ">> Like like just not knowing what like"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "what it could be."}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:48", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:48", "text": ">> But the fact that it's moving so fast,"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "too."}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": ">> You said over 1,000 miles an hour."}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:53", "text": ">> 133,000 mph."}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:56", "text": ">> Yeah. That says like it entered our"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "solar system. I was like, \"Oh, it's"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "going to take a while.\" But it sounds"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "like that's moving. Assuming."}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:01", "text": ">> Yeah. So, when would is there any"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "estimate of when it's going to like"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": ">> come to Earth? Like nearby? Well, it's"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "passing. The closest it'll get to Earth"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "is Mars. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:11", "text": ">> Like, so it's going to basically hug"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "Mars."}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:14", "text": ">> Are we gonna be able to see it, you"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "think, with telescopes and stuff?"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": ">> They're going to be able to observe it"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "on its path around the sun and then it's"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "going to go behind the sun. Then they"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "have zero idea what it's going to do."}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:24", "text": ">> We're going to get some real good"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "pictures then. It's going to be coming"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "right toward us."}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:28", "text": ">> We're all going to be traveling that"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "day."}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:31", "text": ">> What day is it?"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:31", "text": ">> What if it's not safe? October 29th."}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:34", "text": ">> That'd be spooky. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "I saw someone on like Tik Tok or someone"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "something that said that don't travel on"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "October 29th."}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:43", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:44", "text": ">> Well, if something happens, we'll say,"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "\"Nate, Luke, protect us."}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:47", "text": ">> We're going on the 30th.\""}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:49", "text": ">> Yeah, we're going on the 30th."}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:50", "text": ">> We're good."}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:50", "text": ">> Just kidding. I thought"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": ">> we're alive. We'll go to Nashville on"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "the 30th."}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:55", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:56", "text": ">> that's fun."}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:57", "text": ">> Speaking of interstellar objects,"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:58", "text": ">> what does interstellar mean?"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:32:00", "text": ">> What does the word mean?"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:01", "text": ">> Space."}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:02", "text": ">> Just spice, man."}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "stars, right?"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:09", "text": ">> Interstellar"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:10", "text": ">> like stars."}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:11", "text": ">> Interstellar."}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "This is stellar. So, it's really cool,"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:17", "text": ">> But you have to enter space to get"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:19", "text": ">> When you think about if you're just"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "thrust into space right now, does that"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "scare you so much? Like"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:24", "text": ">> interstellar means outside of our solar"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "system, right? Occurring or situated"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "between stars."}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:30", "text": ">> Ooh, interstellar."}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "Oh yeah, I'm interstellar dude."}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:35", "text": ">> In between stars. Interstellar."}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "Interstellar."}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": ">> By that definition though, we are"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "interstellar."}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": ">> Lily back for the shot. 3 seconds left."}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "This is it. National championship."}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:51", "text": ">> And she just ruined it. Cannot stand the"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "pressure."}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "Speaking of pressure,"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": ">> pressure,"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:33:00", "text": ">> don't get me started on the pressure"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "I've received these past couple days"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "listening to this one podcast."}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:06", "text": ">> I've re"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": ">> pressure. It's like walking my pressure."}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:11", "text": ">> Pressures."}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:12", "text": ">> Pressures. Yow."}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:12", "text": ">> No, I've received zero pressure, but it"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "was a very interesting podcast."}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:15", "text": ">> What's that about?"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": ">> It was on American Alchemy, Jesse"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "Michaels, talking about him every"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "podcast pretty much."}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:21", "text": ">> Yep. Uh he had this dude on who studies"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "effects of DMT"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:29", "text": ">> and does like a lot of case studies of"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "people that take DMT and all the stuff"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "like what it does in your brain blah"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "blah blah. Um"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:37", "text": ">> that's the chemical that like when you"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "die we get like"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:40", "text": ">> that's actually a myth."}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:41", "text": ">> That's a myth."}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:42", "text": ">> It is or it's unproven. I should say"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "that. Not a myth."}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:44", "text": ">> I mean yeah. Who can really tell that?"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:46", "text": ">> They actually talked about that. He said"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "the only way he could really find out if"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "he's like there's not enough DMT in your"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "brain to even if it was released when"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:57", "text": ">> to measure dying. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:59", "text": ">> Well, no, you can measure it, but it's"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "not enough to have a fullon like what"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "these people I see experience. I think"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "that's what he said."}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:05", "text": ">> But he's like if you wanted to measure"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "it,"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:07", "text": ">> he said you would have to get consent"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "either from the person that's dying or"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "their family. But like basically you can"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "draw their blood as they're dying. Oh"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "wow. and you can measure their blood to"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "see if there was traces of DMT. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "he's like DMT it's he's it's just"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "fascinating. But what was super spooky"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "about the whole thing was basically he"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "talked about the how everyone that takes"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "DMT, they all experience and see the"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "same entities."}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:37", "text": ">> Oh gosh. And uh one of the types of"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "entities that a large majority of people"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "see they they're called like the elves"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "and um basically they're they like show"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "the person different things, different"}, {"end": "00:34:59", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "mathematical equations. They usually are"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "performing for them, but it's like"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "they're in control. It's like they it's"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "their choice to show you what they want"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "to show you. You can't be like, \"Show me"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "this. Prove to me this.\" It's like"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "they're performing for you."}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:10", "text": ">> Captive audience."}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:11", "text": ">> Yeah. And then he also talked about um"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "some people that have that take DMT,"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "they experience the like insecttoelins"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "or what are they called? Insecttoides."}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:24", "text": ">> Insecttoins."}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:25", "text": ">> Insecttoins like the and like giant"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "preying mantis and stuff."}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "And what they do, which is which they"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "talked about a little bit, lines up so"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "much with alien abductions."}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:38", "text": ">> So when they encounter these"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "insecticillins,"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:42", "text": ">> insectillins,"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": ">> insectins, when they encounter these"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "insectins, it's typically"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "very technology based"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:51", "text": ">> and it's like they're being probed,"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "experimented on, tortured."}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:56", "text": ">> Jeez. And so there he gave an example."}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "This one guy uh from South Korea emailed"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "this dude and basically was talking"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "about I went to I believe it was Peru."}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "Went to Peru to do this whole uh Iawaska"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "DMT trip or whatever. He's like I just"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "all I wanted to do was talk to the uh"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "mother of Iawaska or the the spirits of"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "the forest. That's all he wanted to do."}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "And he did it three times. And each time"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "he was taken onto this like UFO"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "and tortured and experimented on and is"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "like he couldn't escape. And he's like"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "it felt so invasive. It said at one"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "point it literally felt like they took"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "his soul out."}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:46", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": ">> And when he came out of the trip he felt"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "like he didn't have a soul any longer."}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:50", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Okay. So he's like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "let's do this one time that happens.\""}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "And he's like, \"Run it back.\" apparently"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:55", "text": ">> three times"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:56", "text": ">> he was chasing. He was like, \"I need to"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "get the good stuff.\""}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:37:00", "text": ">> Let's just go ahead and say this right"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "now because I don't feel like we've ever"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "come out and actually said it, but if"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "you are a god-fearing person, if you"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "love Jesus, this stuff is not for you."}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "Don't do that."}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:09", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:10", "text": ">> it's evil."}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:13", "text": ">> It's like playing with a Ouija board."}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:15", "text": ">> I mean, it really is. Did you ever"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "finish Graham Hancock's Netflix series?"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:19", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:20", "text": ">> where he's talking about Iawaska and"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:21", "text": ">> Yeah, I watched that. But just like he"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "was going on talking about his own"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "experience with like Iawaska and stuff"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "and he's like the reason that we see"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "similarities between the geometry, the"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "architecture and the art. He's like when"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "you experience it, you're seeing through"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "fractals and you're experiencing the"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "same deities by different names in"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "different cultures. And he's like that's"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "so interesting what did technology they"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "used to use. I'm like is technology"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "really the right word here? Lick refer"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "to DMT as technology on this podcast"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "because it it can you can't just grab a"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "plant and eat it in its DMT. It's like"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "it's a chemical compound that has to be"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "like Iawaska. It's two separate plants"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "that have to be cooked in a certain way"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "in order to extract the DMT element, you"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "know, the hallucinogen from it."}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:06", "text": ">> It's like alchemy."}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:08", "text": ">> Maybe we just have a different"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "perspective of what technology is when"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "we really"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:12", "text": ">> I mean, who knows? I mean, like"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "especially that's what Satan's using."}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:15", "text": ">> It's like such a utilitarian word. It"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "like implies that like we have the"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "ability to do something with it. I'm"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "like, I don't think the purpose is for"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "our benefit. Like this isn't a tool that"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "we should leverage."}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:26", "text": ">> It makes it almost feel like righteous"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "cuz it's like we're meant to embrace"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "technology, right?"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:30", "text": ">> Right. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:30", "text": ">> But you remember that old video where he"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "says it's no wonder that people are"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "scared of technology and then he has a"}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "sign. He says technology."}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": ">> It was a really fascinating podcast"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "though. And this dude, he's just like,"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "\"If you think that you can take DMT and"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "control your experience,\" he's like,"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "\"You You're wrong every time.\""}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:47", "text": ">> Yeah. Cuz you're handing over the wheel"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "to the other person. Like, you're"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "purposely saying, \"I'm I want to go for"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "a ride.\""}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:53", "text": ">> What bummed me out so much"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:54", "text": ">> illusion of being in control."}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:56", "text": ">> Yeah. What bummed me out so much about"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "this dude is like he's like, \"These"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "entities are real. The experiences are"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "real.\" He's like, \"It's not in your"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "brain."}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:04", "text": ">> It's outside. It's like in a its own"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "realm, like interdimensional"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:09", "text": ">> Yeah. realm that you're going to. And"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "then Jesse Michaels asked, he's like,"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "\"Do you believe in God?\""}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:14", "text": ">> And he's like, \"No.\""}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:17", "text": ">> And it's like,"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:18", "text": ">> \"How do you not? How can you not even if"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "you don't?\""}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:20", "text": ">> It kills me. And it's like with Joe"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "Rogan all of a sudden, I just talked"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "about it this last week, but it's like"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "they get so close. It's like if evil is"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "tangible to you, then what is the other"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "side? Is it just evil? Is everything"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "inherently evil? And you are okay going"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "on living in a world like that?"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Can you not open up the"}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "possibility of like this maybe is true?"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "And it's like you're witnessing the evil"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "part. Imagine how scary that is and"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "imagine how good the other side is,"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": ">> you know? Like it's just I don't know,"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "man. That's so wild."}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:47", "text": ">> It's like if there's so much evil, but"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "then you can be a parent and you can"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "love your children and you have this"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "like like Joe Rogan like he has two"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "daughters that he loves so much, you"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "know, or whatever. I don't know how many"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "kids he has. I think he said that"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "before, but it's like where does that"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "love come from? How do you how do you"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "know that? How is it natural? How is it,"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "you know, supernatural?"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:05", "text": ">> Yeah. or how how on earth do you even"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "define evil?"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:08", "text": ">> Yeah, seriously."}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:09", "text": ">> Like,"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:10", "text": ">> yeah. And this guy, I don't think he"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "classified these things as evil. He's"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "just like they're just entities. They're"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:17", "text": ">> out to hurt me and hurt you and kill"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "you."}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:20", "text": ">> Not always. He's just like sometimes"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "they're there to literally just"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "entertain you. And it's like, of course."}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "It's like"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:26", "text": ">> Yeah. They're not going to straight up"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "just say now I'm going to use you for"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "evil or I'm going to do bad things to"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "you. It's like no, like that's the whole"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "point. fighting you back."}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:34", "text": ">> As long as you are distracted, that's"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "it. Like it's all like if one thing"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "could just distract you for one day."}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:41", "text": ">> That's one day less away from, you know,"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "where you could have been where God"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "wants you to be"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:45", "text": ">> right now. They're actually practicing."}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "He said they're basically so DMT when we"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "take it, it lasts like five minutes."}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": ">> He says it's actually it's and this is"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "why he also referred to as a technology"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "of how quickly it's able to enter your"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "brain and travel through your brain and"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "exit. It's like there's like nothing"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "like that to where it's like very"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "specific to traveling to your brain. And"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "uh so they can't it's hard to do studies"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "on DMT when it's a five minute trip."}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:13", "text": ">> So what they're doing is they're"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "figuring out a way to the same way that"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "you administer anesthesia for like a"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "surgery,"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:21", "text": ">> you know, to where it can stay in your"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "system."}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:23", "text": ">> Yeah. They're doing that with DMT."}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:26", "text": ">> Goodness gracious. to keep obviously"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "willing participants, keep them in the"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "trance of DMT for who knows how long."}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Just to see."}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:35", "text": ">> Oh my gosh,"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:36", "text": ">> that's so scary, dude. That seems like"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "the type of thing where Inception where"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "you just fall into limbo."}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:41", "text": ">> Oh yeah, it dude."}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:41", "text": ">> Like you literally lose yourself and be"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "gone for years."}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:45", "text": ">> That's truly so scary cuz that happens"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "to people to where"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:50", "text": ">> Like we I met this one guy once um and"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "he like knew my brother. We were walking"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "on the sidewalk and he was just like not"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "in this world, dude. He was just like"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "looking just like all like that and T's"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "like, \"What's up, man?\" And he's like"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "just he spoke so weird and his eyes are"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "just like"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:10", "text": ">> just different."}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:11", "text": ">> And I'm like, \"What's up with that kid?\""}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "And Taylor's like, \"He did acid so much."}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "He's literally lives in a trip now,"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:19", "text": ">> bro. It's"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:20", "text": ">> And he doesn't do acid anymore. He just"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "like he's his brain is fried to where"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "he's living in the trip."}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:26", "text": ">> Yikes."}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:26", "text": ">> I'm like, I would die."}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": ">> I mean, so scary."}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:30", "text": ">> How you live after that? That's so"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:32", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:33", "text": ">> It was wild."}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:34", "text": ">> Don't do drugs, kids."}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:36", "text": ">> Please."}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:36", "text": ">> This is our big anti-drug campaign."}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Just say no."}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:41", "text": ">> Um Yeah. Speaking of saying no, did you"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "know that we got to go anywhere?"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "Uh uh uh uh uh oh."}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "Oh man."}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "Can you feel it?"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "Can you feel it?"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "sneaking up behind you. What is it?"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "Sunday.com. It's the greatest fit for"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "you or your church or maybe your"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "friends. Come on down. It'll be the end"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "of the search. Looking for shirts are"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "now."}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:36", "text": ">> New"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "cool shirts. New Sunday."}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "New"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "cool shirts."}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "Get a hat on top."}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "Sunnygo.com. We got new colors. T-shirt"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "colors. Sunnycool.com. And say that"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "Ninja sent you and you'll receive"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:58", "text": ">> love."}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:43:58", "text": ">> Love from us."}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "My dad will be proud of me."}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:06", "text": ">> He won't though."}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:07", "text": ">> So weird."}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:08", "text": ">> He won't."}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:09", "text": ">> I know that."}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "I saw the light. I saw the light."}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:20", "text": ">> Do you want these?"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": ">> He's incredible."}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:24", "text": ">> Potato chips."}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:25", "text": ">> Mosquito barbecue."}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": ">> Mosquito barbecue."}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:31", "text": ">> It is so hot outside. What if we um What"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "if we all went on"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:35", "text": ">> a water slide for the operations people?"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:38", "text": ">> Hey, I'm talking."}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:40", "text": ">> I'm helping. You're sorry."}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:41", "text": ">> What if we rented a water slide for the"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "operations people? That would be fun."}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:46", "text": ">> I was really hoping you were going to"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "post out singing as soon as you start."}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:53", "text": ">> that would be fun."}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:55", "text": ">> We did that uh we did the uh dunk tank"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "that one time couple and a little bit of"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:45:00", "text": ">> Who ended up sitting in it? Was it you?"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:02", "text": ">> Me, OSHA, a few other people. I think"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:03", "text": ">> we should put ice in it. Ice water. It's"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "so hot outside, you guys."}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:06", "text": ">> It's crazy."}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:07", "text": ">> Yeah, I got that warning yesterday."}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "That's"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:09", "text": ">> It wasn't that hot yesterday, though."}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:12", "text": ">> Pretty It was pretty stinking hot. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "it was really hot. I don't"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:14", "text": ">> think it was that hot."}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:16", "text": ">> 98\u00b0"}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:17", "text": ">> with"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:17", "text": ">> It didn't feel that hot, though."}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:19", "text": ">> It said it felt like 103."}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:21", "text": ">> We were outside."}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:22", "text": ">> You're a lizard for lunch."}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": ">> Then at 11. And then I And then at 5, I"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "I went home with a jacket on. I felt"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "fine,"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:29", "text": ">> man. Wasn't it wasn't as hot as it"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "normally is,"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": ">> dude. My house was set to 72 and hung"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "out at 75 all day."}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:37", "text": ">> That was pretty much our our AC just"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "going like"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "5:00. It's 80 degrees in our house."}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:44", "text": ">> That's why you didn't think it was hot"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "outside."}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:45", "text": ">> Yeah, you're probablyating yourself."}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:47", "text": ">> Terrarium."}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:48", "text": ">> This makes me think of like my"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "grandparents and stuff growing up in"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "Florida."}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:51", "text": ">> Not so cracked the windows."}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:54", "text": ">> How in the world?"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:55", "text": ">> They just that was just you just had to"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "get used to it. You didn't know."}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:57", "text": ">> Back then they just like wore jeans"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "everywhere, bro."}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:46:00", "text": ">> Do you remember that time we went over"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "to my papa's house and we brought Aiden?"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "We were like, \"We have to leave. She's"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "going to die of dehydration.\""}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:05", "text": ">> Her face was like bright red and her"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "papa's just in like a long sleeve blue"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "jeans and like that's how they live."}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "That's what makes me curious. Like when"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "I'm watching like old period pieces, I'm"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "watching like westerns. These guys were"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "had two shirts on, a coat, and jeans and"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "like desert."}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And they're like and the people"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "were dressed up. I was like, \"This can't"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "be what they really wore every single"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "day.\" But I think it was."}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:27", "text": ">> It's crazy."}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:27", "text": ">> They didn't wear shorts."}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Could you imagine just like wide"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "her walking around in shorts?"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:31", "text": ">> Dude, that's what the Native Americans"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "had it figured out. It's like, \"Yo, give"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "me a loin cloth.\""}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Leather loin cloth."}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": ">> Come on now."}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "Give me some Birkens. What are they"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "called? Moccasins."}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:43", "text": ">> Moccasins."}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:44", "text": ">> Birkenstocks."}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:45", "text": ">> Birkenstocks back then. You're so right."}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:47", "text": ">> You were the Birkens."}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "The Birkenstocks."}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:52", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:53", "text": ">> we make them out of corn stalks."}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:55", "text": ">> Yeah, I got that uh thing that said,"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "\"Warning, extreme heat watch in Lake"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "County expires in 1 day and six hours.\""}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:03", "text": ">> Hey,"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "should be over soon."}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:08", "text": ">> Snowing."}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "Oh yeah, that's crazy. But um I don't"}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "know."}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:19", "text": ">> Relax."}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "Would you rather?"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:24", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:24", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:25", "text": ">> Find"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "1,000 roaches in your attic."}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:47:35", "start": "00:47:31", "text": ">> Or a person."}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:33", "text": ">> Roaches."}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:35", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:36", "text": ">> Of course, Lily. You better find a"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "person."}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:40", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:41", "text": ">> There are health implications."}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:43", "text": ">> There's murder implications with a"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "person in your attic."}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:47", "text": ">> I probably just needed a place to stay."}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:50", "text": ">> So, you would be okay if we got home."}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:53", "text": ">> Our girls are just playing in the house."}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "I open the attic and there's a man"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "standing up there. You'd be fine with"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "that?"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:00", "text": ">> No, obviously not. But I also would not"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "be fine with a thousand roaches."}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:04", "text": ">> Her first thought would be, \"Hey, at"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "least it's not a thousand roaches.\""}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:06", "text": ">> Here, here's the deal. We could say,"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "\"Hey buddy. Hey buddy. Get out of here.\""}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "That's what we can say to the guy. You"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "know what? You can't say to that to"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "roaches."}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:14", "text": ">> But he's dead."}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:15", "text": ">> Spray. You spray the roaches."}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:16", "text": ">> No. And then we've got like diseases and"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:19", "text": ">> You don't think there's diseases from a"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "dead corpse hanging up in your ass?"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:23", "text": ">> I said a dead person. He's living in my"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "story."}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:26", "text": ">> Didn't you say dead person? She said a"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "body."}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:28", "text": ">> P. No, I said a person. I"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:30", "text": ">> think you said a body."}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:31", "text": ">> I said a person. I promise. I said a"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "person."}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:33", "text": ">> She said person."}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:34", "text": ">> But I just assume they're dead. Why"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "would I mean Yeah. get. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:37", "text": ">> I will say there was a summer that my uh"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "neighbor across the street when I was a"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "kid ran away and I kept hearing things"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "in our attic. I kept saying, \"Mom, I"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "think that he's in our attic. Nobody's"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "checked our attic to see if he's in"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "there.\""}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:49", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:49", "text": ">> he could be living in there."}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:51", "text": ">> Did they ever check?"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:52", "text": ">> No. And she's like, \"You're crazy.\" Fair"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "enough."}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:53", "text": ">> Did they ever get catch him?"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:55", "text": ">> He came home."}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:56", "text": ">> Oh, okay. Good. That's crazy."}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:59", "text": ">> Why? If there's a thousand roaches, that"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "is so You have to"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:49:02", "text": ">> Because you said murder implications."}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "I'm pretty sure she did say body. No,"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "I'm saying like this guy could murder"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "you."}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:08", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:08", "text": ">> The the roaches, we would have to put"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "the tent over our house and have it"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "condemned. I would never live there"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "again."}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:14", "text": ">> That's insane. I Yeah, I would."}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:17", "text": ">> Yeah, I know you would. You worry about"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "any of that stuff. Espec"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:30", "text": ">> How do you say uh"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "[Laughter]"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "She She's too young for like the"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "scrolling infomercial, so she don't know"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "how to say it."}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:47", "text": ">> Yes, I do remember that. I had cable"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:50", "text": ">> black and"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:53", "text": ">> burglary."}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:54", "text": ">> Espos might be crazier than the"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "question."}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:57", "text": ">> Esposum."}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:50:02", "text": ">> yeah, I'd go with the roaches. I don't"}, {"end": "00:50:08", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "want I mean, I guess it's not a big deal"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "if the guy's living."}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:08", "text": ">> It's like,"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": ">> I will shoot you if you don't leave my"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "house, but still. Yeah. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:13", "text": ">> how long we got to go patch up whatever"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "holes. I mean, like, our thing is we"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "probably don't really lock our doors"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "enough. You know what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:20", "text": ">> We definitely do."}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:23", "text": ">> Uh, Andrew H with that beat."}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": ">> I heard the first two words."}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "at the real"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:33", "text": "us."}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:33", "text": ">> You know what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": ">> About that"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "right now."}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:44", "text": ">> You're a bully."}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:46", "text": ">> You are a bully."}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:47", "text": ">> This is This is a short reel. Um this is"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "for everyone who's ever been scared of"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "going to the dentist."}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:54", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:54", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:55", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:56", "text": ">> Ready? Three, two, one."}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "What was that, bro?"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:05", "text": ">> What was that?"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:05", "text": ">> Is this the little gun thing that blew"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "up?"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "[Applause]"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:12", "text": ">> Gross."}, {"end": "00:51:17", "start": "00:51:13", "text": ">> Blew up on his face."}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": ">> The drill overheated, malfunction, and"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:17", "text": "blew."}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:19", "text": ">> Bro, could you imagine?"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "Dude, I hate that so much. Thank"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "goodness it's not something they were"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "pulling out his tooth or something."}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "Yuck."}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Thank goodness it's not a thousand"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "roaches in his mouth."}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:34", "text": ">> You're a police. Say something nice to"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "me right now."}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:36", "text": ">> I think you're beautiful. Well, I'm not"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "the only one either."}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:39", "text": ">> These guys are doing it, too."}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:41", "text": ">> You're the only one that matters."}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:42", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:44", "text": ">> To me in that way."}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:46", "text": ">> My husband. You're my husband."}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:48", "text": ">> They're our friends."}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:50", "text": ">> But we don't matter."}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:51", "text": ">> I'm sorry, guys."}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:52", "text": ">> You guys matter to me, but he really"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "matters to me. You guys matter to me."}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:55", "text": ">> Thanks, man."}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:56", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:58", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:59", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:00", "text": ">> never would say that."}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:03", "text": ">> Oh, it feels spooky in here."}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:06", "text": ">> What is that?"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:07", "text": ">> Time slippage."}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:10", "text": ">> Time slippage."}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:13", "text": ">> Cool. Time slip story. You want to hear?"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:17", "text": ">> Let's dive in."}, {"end": "00:52:24", "start": "00:52:20", "text": ">> It's crazy. Andy's like, \"Have you heard"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "of uh this one story?\" I'm like, \"I was"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "literally listening to a podcast about"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "that two days ago.\""}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:28", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:31", "text": ">> But I don't matter. You don't matter."}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "So, you should probably tell the story."}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:36", "text": ">> Um, so this story happened in 1901. All"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "right. This lady's late names were"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:41", "text": ">> ladies late."}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:42", "text": ">> These ladies names were the ladies were"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "Charlotte Moberly and Eleanor Jordan."}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:48", "text": ">> All right. So these were two ladies who"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "were very educated. They were respected"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "in their fields and they were friends"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "but they wanted to know if they would be"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "good co-workers. So they literally"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "decided to go to Versailles the palace"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "of Versailles and they were going to"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "meet talk they were going to have tea"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "visit all this stuff. And they went to"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "uh the palace of Versailles and they"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "started doing like a walk through the"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "gardens and stuff. And as they're"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "walking through the gardens, they take a"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "little turn, go away from where like the"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "other group was. They start walking"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "through and then they cross a bridge and"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "then things just start looking very very"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "different all around them. They see a"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "lady hold like you know waving a a white"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "cloth outside of their window. They look"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "over and they see two men in"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "three-pointed hats wearing long gray and"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "like blue suits. something like very"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "very old. They go around and they start"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "looking at just all this weird stuff and"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "they start getting those overwhelming"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "like depressing feeling like very"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:49", "text": ">> like just unsettled completely. They had"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "no idea what was happening. They just"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "they were both feeling the exact same"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "thing. They just just kept walking. They"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "go over and they see this woman being"}, {"end": "00:54:04", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "painted and that looks extremely"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "familiar. They just couldn't place her"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:04", "text": "and keeps going like just keeps"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "happening. Literally, they're walking"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "there for almost an hour and then they"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "find their way back and they're both"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "weirded out by it, but they still just"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "go on with their day. They don't think"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "really much of it. And then about a week"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "later, they talk um they had been"}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "journaling separately about their"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "experience at this uh the garden. And"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "then they started talking to each other"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "again and they confessed like, \"Hey, did"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "do you remember something weird"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "happening at the garden?\""}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:32", "text": ">> They weren't saying it in real time."}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "They're just like,"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:34", "text": ">> no, they were kind of just like they"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "thought like was going through their"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "mind. It was just a weird experience,"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "but they also thought maybe there's some"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "type of weird"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:42", "text": ">> group that's had like rented that the"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "thing that day and maybe there's some"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "party or something."}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:47", "text": ">> And so they start talking and then what"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "they're going back and forth on is their"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "journal entries and stuff is saying how"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "it completely matched up."}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:54", "text": ">> And now they're just completely blown"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "away. So they travel back to the place,"}, {"end": "00:55:01", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "they find there was no booking for any"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "parties that day. They try to find where"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:01", "text": "they walked. They couldn't find it"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "again. They said, \"No, we crossed over"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "this little bridge.\" And they said that"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "there is no bridge even on the property"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "and that's when things started just"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "their minds just started being blown. So"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "they started getting together a lot more"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "and started talking and actually just"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "starting writing down everything and it"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "became uh this just big story because"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "the girl that they saw was Marieette."}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:24", "text": ">> Yes. And so it was like 17"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:27", "text": ">> like 90s or something like that when"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:28", "text": ">> the French Revolution."}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:30", "text": ">> Yeah. So, they're putting all these"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "things together and they say, \"That"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "looks familiar. That looks familiar.\" In"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "1903, they're going through all of the"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "uh maps of that area, and they find a"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "map, one map that's very, very old that"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "has a bridge, and it's literally where"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "they would have crossed where they both"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "said, \"We took a turn, and then there"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "was a bridge, and then there was a"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "cottage, and then there was a"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "farmhouse.\" All on the map."}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:55", "text": ">> And there's also another thing to where"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "they were describing this to people."}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "They actually ended up writing a book"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "about it later on in life and people"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "were just like, \"You guys are crazy.\""}, {"end": "00:56:07", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "But in this, they talked about this"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "pavilion that they saw,"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:07", "text": ">> okay?"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:08", "text": ">> And they described this pavilion and um"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "historians and stuff, they're like,"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "\"This pavilion never existed in the"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "garden. Never.\" And then years later,"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "they found that map and on that map was"}, {"end": "00:56:27", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "the exact pavilion that they described."}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:24", "text": ">> Oh man, that's weird."}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:27", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:28", "text": ">> so what's that about?"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:29", "text": ">> Yeah. And there's this podcast I was"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "listening to on conspiracy theories."}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "They were talking about different"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "scenarios of just time slippage to where"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "people"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "describe the same thing. They they say"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "that there's this it's like the"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "atmosphere changes and it like becomes"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "heavy but there's this feeling of like"}, {"end": "00:56:51", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "forboding or"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:49", "text": ">> sadness and it's like they don't it's"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:51", "text": "just a very random feeling and all a"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "sudden they're seeing things that aren't"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "matching up to what they know."}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:57:00", "text": ">> And then like but even the people aren't"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "fully interacting with them either. And"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "then all of a sudden like they'll take a"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "turn and then they're like back."}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:08", "text": ">> That's so weird. Like why foroding and"}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "sadness? Is it because they're de A?"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:13", "text": ">> Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. But that I I"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "thought that was just a lot. It's super"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "interesting. Just like we've talked"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "about before like the idea of like"}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "ghosts and stuff, you know, but like"}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "also the the theory of like a uh like a"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "event happening that like um imprints"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "itself on"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:36", "text": ">> in that location."}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:37", "text": ">> Energy. Yeah. Yeah. So, like a lot of"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "people that uh go to like um Gettysburg"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "or something, they'll see like ghosts of"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:44", "text": ">> soldiers and stuff like walking around"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "that seem lost or something and it's"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "like the idea of like something"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "traumatic happening or a big event. It's"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "almost like sounds super new age hippie,"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "but like that energy is like imprinted"}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "on that location."}, {"end": "00:58:06", "start": "00:58:02", "text": ">> I mean, I think that's possible, right?"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "I mean, especially if people have"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:06", "text": "dabbled in"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "some type of dark art and curses and"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "stuff like that. I mean, you see that"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "with like forests and stuff that there's"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "just energies that people will just say,"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "\"Listen, we moved in. We disrespected"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "this area or we\" and then bad things"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "happened like things that were"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "supernatural within that forest or"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "rainforest or whatever like tribes."}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:26", "text": ">> It just happens and it's weird. That's"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "that's we don't know like it feels"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "strange to me like watching Survivor."}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "They have one season where they're like"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "in the Mayan temples."}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:34", "text": ">> Oh gosh. right at the base like they're"}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "on the temples like during the whole"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "thing and it's just like"}, {"end": "00:58:46", "start": "00:58:41", "text": ">> it just seems to me like that's got to"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "be weird a little spooky and so we don't"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:46", "text": ">> I don't sorry you go you go first"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": ">> I was just going to say we don't really"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "understand like the demonic possession"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "of things too like you know in the Bible"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "when it talks about the pigs like why"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "they need to go in the pigs but"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:56", "text": ">> you know this is completely unbased"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "theory but like"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:00", "text": ">> you know if if something was attached to"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "someone who passed and you know you"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "think about like these imprint"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "situations. Is it the person or is it"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "what possibly possessed them? What?"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": ">> Yeah, but it's also like But in these"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "scenarios, it's the location, too. It's"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "like buildings that aren't supposed to"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "be there. Like there's this one where"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "the these two dudes that were um I"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "believe"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "it was in the 50s."}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "It was in England. And they're walking"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "through it was like county cork or"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "something. I forget where it was."}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "Somewhere in England."}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "and they're walking down the street."}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "They turn down this alleyway and all of"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "a sudden like the church that was there"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "didn't have the steeple and it's like"}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "the town got really quiet. Like there's"}, {"end": "00:59:48", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "no one on the streets. Like this is"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "weird. And but everything just looked"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:48", "text": "different. There was no power lines and"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "then they like walked up to this one"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "building, very dark inside. They like"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "scrubbed the window open or like cuz it"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "was dirty. They wiped away the dust,"}, {"end": "01:00:02", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "looked in, no one was there. It was"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "dark, but there was like a rotting ox"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:02", "text": "inside of it. Oh, what?"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:04", "text": ">> And they're like, \"What in the world?\""}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "And there's no one. And they're like,"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "\"This is super weird.\" They turn around,"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:11", "text": "all of a sudden everything's back to"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "normal. They're like, \"What on earth?\""}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "And for years, they're just like ignored"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "it cuz they're just like, \"If we tell"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "anyone about this, they'll think we're"}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "absolutely crazy.\""}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:24", "text": ">> But it wasn't until the '9s,"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "they got together, they went back there,"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "and they're like, \"We need to figure out"}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:30", "text": ">> what was happening.\" So they looked,"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "they went back to the building where"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "they saw the rotting ax and it was a"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "home, like a residence, residential"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "home, and they're like, \"This is not"}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "what it looked like when we saw it.\""}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "They will look back at the stuff, and in"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:45", "text": "the 1400s,"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:47", "text": "it used to be a butcher shop. M."}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:50", "text": ">> And the only thing that they could"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "rationalize in their brain was they"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "somehow went to a time slip to or they"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "went back to when the black plague"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "happened."}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:01", "text": ">> I was going to say, yeah. Ew, weird."}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:01:10", "start": "01:01:05", "text": ">> Not the time I would want to go visit."}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:07", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. cuz like"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:10", "text": "okay, I don't know what the biblical"}, {"end": "01:01:16", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "implications are for this whole idea"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "about like energies and like ghosts or"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:16", "text": "like sightings and stuff like that, but"}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "it's got me thinking about kind of what"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "I was going to tell you about before the"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "show, but that Tik Tok I sent you and"}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "just this whole idea that's too big for"}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "my brain on like consciousness being"}, {"end": "01:01:32", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "shared and it being outside of us and"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "stuff like that. The guy that I sent you"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:32", "text": "was talking about an individual who was"}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "around. Oh my gosh, let me pull it up"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "real quick. But his whole explanation"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:40", "text": "for consciousness being shared is that"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "it was our main form of communication"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "before language. And language is the"}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "thing that basically got in the way. He"}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "calls it like a plague or something like"}, {"end": "01:01:54", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "that. Like a sickness."}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:52", "text": ">> It's kind of like the telepathy tapes"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:54", "text": "are like what they say."}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:55", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:55", "text": ">> It's like language actually hinders you."}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:57", "text": ">> It ruined it. And like there were we"}, {"end": "01:02:04", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "were capable of so much more in our"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "brains prior to language. Now I don't"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:04", "text": "know if that's true because you know if"}, {"end": "01:02:09", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "we're looking at the Bible, Adam being"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "the first man, there was language"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:09", "text": "between God and Adam, you know, and so"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:12", "text": ">> that said that they spoke, but it didn't"}, {"end": "01:02:16", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "say how they spoke."}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:15", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"end": "01:02:18", "start": "01:02:16", "text": ">> yeah. We talked about that how like the"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "Tower of Babel, what if that would have"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:18", "text": "been the moment we start started using"}, {"end": "01:02:23", "start": "01:02:21", "text": "languages,"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:21", "text": ">> confused their languages. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:23", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:24", "text": ">> They're all just speaking telepathy."}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "Dude, that would be that'd be wild."}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:28", "text": ">> This gentleman's name is Cor."}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:29", "text": ">> There was never rain before Noah. I"}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "mean, like, so it's like there's I mean,"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "who knows?"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:32", "text": ">> There wasn't rain before Noah."}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:34", "text": ">> Was there no rain before Noah?"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:35", "text": ">> I mean, no, that that's kind of like"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "what was the main thing is like when"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "made him sound kind of crazy. It's like"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "rain's going to fall from the heavens."}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:44", "text": ">> Wow. I've never thought of it that way."}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "Anyway, the the scientist guy, his name"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "is Cor Mc McCarthy, and he wrote an"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "essay on it and stuff like that. So,"}, {"end": "01:02:52", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "it's like worth reading. But yeah, he"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "talks about language being the big"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:52", "text": "disruptor. And so maybe too these events"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "where we go to a place and we see these"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "things like we were talking about"}, {"end": "01:03:02", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "Gettysburg and you see a soldier or"}, {"end": "01:03:04", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "something like that. Could that be that"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:02", "text": "shared consciousness and the existing"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:04", "text": "time footprint or whatever and you get a"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "glimpse into that imagery? He talks"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "about how he had been studying this"}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "scientist um a specific like um like"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "molecule band or something like that in"}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "shape and he couldn't figure it out. And"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "then he had a dream about that snake"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "symbol where he's biting his tail and"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "it's a circle. He's like he woke up and"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "he was like he's a circle and he's like"}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "why did my consciousness feed me that"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "image? You know what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:33", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:34", "text": ">> Or consciousness not my consciousness"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "shared consciousness for me."}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:37", "text": ">> Consciousness is"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "it freaks me out if you think about for"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "too long."}, {"end": "01:03:44", "start": "01:03:41", "text": ">> I can't I'm not smart enough"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:43", "text": ">> because they've proven that"}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:44", "text": "consciousness does not come from your"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "brain. It's separate from your brain."}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:03:51", "start": "01:03:49", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "I prove that"}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:51", "text": ">> because it's like um people that have"}, {"end": "01:03:57", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "the near-death experiences like to where"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "they flatline, no brain function,"}, {"end": "01:04:00", "start": "01:03:57", "text": ">> but yet"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:58", "text": ">> this is just one scenario, but they're"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:04:00", "text": "like able to the person's able to come"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "out and like explain things that happen"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "during when their brain had zero"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "function. How did"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:08", "text": ">> seeing the doctor put his wallet in the"}, {"end": "01:04:15", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "in the drawer or something like that and"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:13", "text": ">> Okay. So, things that happen, not just"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:15", "text": "recounting of where they were,"}, {"end": "01:04:20", "start": "01:04:17", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "01:04:22", "start": "01:04:17", "text": ">> Correct. Yeah. So, like I saw you make"}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:20", "text": "the incision and it's like that's"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:22", "text": ">> impossible cuz you were or a woman going"}, {"end": "01:04:29", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "to another room and watching her do"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "something in another room where he"}, {"end": "01:04:31", "start": "01:04:29", "text": "wasn't even at."}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Like they were looking at a file."}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:31", "text": "There was one story they were looking at"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "a file in another room while this person"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "was brain dead."}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:36", "text": ">> And they recalled it literally what the"}, {"end": "01:04:40", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "n the file said and they're like there's"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "no way you could have possibly known"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:40", "text": "that."}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:41", "text": ">> Yeah. And like you said, that's just one"}, {"end": "01:04:45", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "example of like what would be explained"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "to share consciousness. They've been"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:45", "text": "talking about it with some guests on Joe"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "Rogan, but he was explaining that oh my"}, {"end": "01:04:55", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "gosh, where is my brain going?"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "Uh that basically like two ideas come to"}, {"end": "01:04:59", "start": "01:04:55", "text": "come through the consciousness chain and"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "different people depending on like your"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:04:59", "text": "personality makeup will grab onto it. So"}, {"end": "01:05:05", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "maybe somebody was like, \"Let's start a"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "podcast that has nothing to do with"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:05", "text": "butterflies, but call it something about"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "butterflies.\" And it reached 500 dudes"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "with beards and just this group grabbed"}, {"end": "01:05:16", "start": "01:05:13", "text": "onto it. You know what I'm saying? Not"}, {"end": "01:05:19", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "really."}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:16", "text": ">> You lost me on that one."}, {"end": "01:05:22", "start": "01:05:19", "text": ">> I was trying to track, but you lost me."}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:20", "text": ">> I'm just saying the idea was pitch down"}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:22", "text": "consciousness and only some people go"}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "and grab it. You know what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:25", "text": ">> Oh, I see. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:26", "text": ">> It's not like this originated from you"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "is what I'm saying theorizing."}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:31", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"end": "01:05:37", "start": "01:05:31", "text": ">> It almost like spiritualizes causality"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:34", "text": ">> with what you're saying. Cuz like with"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:37", "text": "the whole idea of a butterfly, we would"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "say like I don't know, we'd saw a"}, {"end": "01:05:45", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "butterfly tattoo that was either funny"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "or butterfly art that was in a ninja"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:45", "text": "film at some point in our subconscious"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "that clicked. And so that's where the"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "podcast idea"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:53", "text": ">> butterflies,"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:53", "text": ">> but there is a deep meaning behind the"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "name."}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:55", "text": ">> There is. And you guys will know about"}, {"end": "01:06:00", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "it on our last episode,"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:58", "text": ">> which is next week."}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:06:00", "text": ">> Maybe. Yes,"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:06:01", "text": ">> could be. This could be our last"}, {"end": "01:06:06", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "episode. Dude, I'm hung up to die."}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "Stop it."}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:06", "text": ">> If one of us dies, we can't end the"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "podcast."}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:08", "text": ">> No, we have to keep going. If I die, I"}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "want you guys to keep going."}, {"end": "01:06:13", "start": "01:06:11", "text": ">> Okay. If I die,"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:11", "text": ">> if one of us dies, we have to hold a"}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:13", "text": "doppelganger contest."}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:14", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:15", "text": ">> In Orlando."}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:16", "text": ">> Be so sad."}, {"end": "01:06:21", "start": "01:06:17", "text": ">> There's no way you could get Zack Efron"}, {"end": "01:06:22", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "to be my replacement. That'd be insane."}, {"end": "01:06:24", "start": "01:06:21", "text": ">> That'd be crazy."}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:22", "text": ">> Yeah. And Brad Pitt would never fill in"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:24", "text": "for my shoes. For every person that gets"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "like nominated to go up on the pedestal,"}, {"end": "01:06:31", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "we're all crying so hard."}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:30", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:31", "text": ">> you're not like him. the podcast just"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "staring at like just mean just"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:37", "text": ">> uh speak of speaking of pa dying."}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:40", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "01:06:45", "start": "01:06:40", "text": ">> Speaking of people dying."}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:42", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:45", "text": ">> the 10,000 Roman soldiers that"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "disappeared."}, {"end": "01:06:52", "start": "01:06:48", "text": ">> Oo yeah. Where you teased this? Where'd"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "you tease? Did you tease this?"}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:52", "text": ">> Last week."}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:53", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right."}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:54", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:54", "text": ">> This is exciting."}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:55", "text": ">> Very very interesting story."}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:58", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:58", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:06:59", "text": ">> Talk about time slippage."}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:00", "text": ">> Time slippage. 53 BC. Uh Marcus Krosus"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "Crocos Kusos uh a member of the first"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "tri golly I these are the biggest words"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "I've ever written down ever. This guy um"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "who is a uh basically leading this Roman"}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "front"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "um where was it? He brought 40 to 50,000"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "soldiers uh to fight the Parththeians."}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "They got completely demolished and there"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "was 10,000 elite legionnaires that"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "survived this battle."}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:39", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:40", "text": ">> But they never returned back to Rome and"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "everyone in Rome had no idea what"}, {"end": "01:07:49", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "happened to them. They know that they"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "survived, but they just dropped off the"}, {"end": "01:07:52", "start": "01:07:49", "text": "face of the earth."}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:50", "text": ">> They would have they normally would have"}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:52", "text": "just came home."}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:54", "text": ">> But they just didn't show up."}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:55", "text": ">> Just disappeared. Uh so yeah, roughly"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "10,000 Roman legion legionnaires uh were"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "reported to have survived the battle but"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "were captured by the Parththeians. That"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "was a theory. Um according to Ply the"}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "Elder and other ancient sources, these"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "men vanished from Roman records after"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "the battle. But what's crazy"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "is that to this day there is a small"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "village in China"}, {"end": "01:08:29", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "that has"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "um the people living in this village"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:29", "text": "have features that resemble people from"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "Italy."}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:35", "text": ">> Interesting. and Chinese records during"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "the same time 36 BC uh during the Han"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "dynasty they talk about how the Chinese"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "fought this group of um pale men pale"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "soldiers and it said that their"}, {"end": "01:08:58", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "formation was fish scale formation which"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "apparently is the same formation that"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:58", "text": "the Roman soldiers used to do"}, {"end": "01:09:05", "start": "01:09:00", "text": ">> and this is around the same time"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:01", "text": ">> this was uh 20 years after these 10,000"}, {"end": "01:09:08", "start": "01:09:05", "text": "Roman soldiers disappeared That's crazy."}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:07", "text": ">> All the way in China."}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:08", "text": ">> Yeah. How'd they get there?"}, {"end": "01:09:12", "start": "01:09:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:10", "text": ">> It would take him 20 years."}, {"end": "01:09:14", "start": "01:09:12", "text": ">> Yeah, possibly."}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:13", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:09:20", "start": "01:09:14", "text": ">> But yeah, the um the the they call it"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "the Roman village in China. Uh uh"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:20", "text": "Lieuan."}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:22", "text": ">> Okay, I think"}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:22", "text": ">> that's how you say it."}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:23", "text": ">> Lie."}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:24", "text": ">> Luan. Uh residents have long claimed"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "unusual features, light colored hair,"}, {"end": "01:09:34", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "fair skin, tall stature, uh sparking"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "theories of Roman ancestry."}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:34", "text": ">> Whoa. So these guys, the story is that"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "they just after this battle got their"}, {"end": "01:09:49", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "butts handed to them. They just decided"}, {"end": "01:09:51", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "to take off and form their own legion,"}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:49", "text": "travel across the world, fought the"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:51", "text": "Chinese, and apparently established a"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "village"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:54", "text": ">> and lived out their days there."}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:56", "text": ">> That's crazy. I wonder about I wonder"}, {"end": "01:10:00", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "about the architecture there."}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:59", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:10:00", "text": ">> cuz they would have brought their own"}, {"end": "01:10:04", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "stuff with them. Like just like Yeah."}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "Like, yeah,"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:04", "text": ">> I wonder if there's a mix."}, {"end": "01:10:09", "start": "01:10:06", "text": ">> That's interesting. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:07", "text": ">> there's got to be records in between,"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:09", "text": "too. Like, that's a huge group of"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:11", "text": "people."}, {"end": "01:10:18", "start": "01:10:11", "text": ">> People theorize that they also possibly"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "became um like they worked the Silk Road"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:18", "text": "as like bandits or merchants themselves"}, {"end": "01:10:26", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "because this like village is actually"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "along the Silk Road that travels from"}, {"end": "01:10:33", "start": "01:10:26", "text": "China all the way to the uh west. Um,"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "could they not return to Rome because it"}, {"end": "01:10:35", "start": "01:10:33", "text": "would have been they would have been"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "dishonored?"}, {"end": "01:10:37", "start": "01:10:35", "text": ">> I don't know. But"}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:36", "text": ">> that's the thing, like who knows? Like"}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:37", "text": "what if like this there was like some"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "type of like coup where it's like hey"}, {"end": "01:10:45", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "after this we are whoever survives we're"}, {"end": "01:10:47", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "leaving. Like who knows? Like if they"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:45", "text": "wanted to start their own thing like"}, {"end": "01:10:49", "start": "01:10:47", "text": "there could have been a million things"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "that were happening behind the scenes"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:49", "text": "that we have no idea about."}, {"end": "01:10:53", "start": "01:10:50", "text": ">> 10,000 guys."}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:51", "text": ">> That's crazy because that's my thing is"}, {"end": "01:10:55", "start": "01:10:53", "text": "like you have to have these guys on your"}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "side. There had to been some type of"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:55", "text": "commanding"}, {"end": "01:10:59", "start": "01:10:56", "text": ">> group where it's like hey this is what"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "we're doing. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:59", "text": ">> Or they did get captured and then"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "escaped and then did what they had to"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "do. I don't know. That's wild. I love"}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "that story though."}, {"end": "01:11:07", "start": "01:11:05", "text": ">> It was really good. It would be a really"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:06", "text": "cool movie."}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:07", "text": ">> That's pretty significant that not one"}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "of them was like, \"No, I'm going to go"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "home to my family.\""}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:13", "text": ">> Maybe they don't have families."}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:14", "text": ">> 10,000 men."}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:15", "text": ">> Yeah, maybe."}, {"end": "01:11:20", "start": "01:11:16", "text": ">> Maybe they did. But I mean, like, how"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "often is one story or a couple stories"}, {"end": "01:11:23", "start": "01:11:20", "text": "within a big civilization like that"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "getting out and saying this is what"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:23", "text": "happened?"}, {"end": "01:11:25", "start": "01:11:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:24", "text": ">> Instead of like, \"No, we're not going to"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:25", "text": "believe that.\""}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:26", "text": ">> I'm just saying it had to be something"}, {"end": "01:11:29", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "pretty significant. Like it's not like"}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:28", "text": "you have to do this. It' be like we're"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:29", "text": "all leaving so that we don't have to go"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "back here and they're like yeah cool"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "with me. 10,000 guys were in agreement"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "about it."}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:34", "text": ">> Maybe it was a shame involved."}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:37", "text": ">> Had to be."}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:38", "text": ">> Yeah. They"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:38", "text": ">> or prisoners. I mean like they or you"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "know they could have just been captive"}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "for so long and it's like"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:43", "text": ">> maybe some of them escaped."}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:46", "text": ">> That's so wild."}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:47", "text": ">> I do love I love thinking about the"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "architecture because only like in St."}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "Augustine, you can see the difference in"}, {"end": "01:11:58", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "like literally in the same street how"}, {"end": "01:12:00", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "just like oh wow that does look a little"}, {"end": "01:12:02", "start": "01:11:58", "text": "like uh I mean like I don't know sp like"}, {"end": "01:12:05", "start": "01:12:00", "text": "Spanish and so it's like"}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:02", "text": ">> it's just interesting super super cool"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:05", "text": ">> man. I thought it was a fun story."}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:07", "text": ">> That's a very fun story. It literally"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "just it's so like"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:10", "text": ">> such a good story just actually looking"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "at it and then that would make such a"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "fun movie."}, {"end": "01:12:19", "start": "01:12:14", "text": ">> You know what would be cool is to do a"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "deeper dive onto Alexander the Great."}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:19", "text": ">> Oh yeah. of like how he was in like"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "India and stuff and like read like the"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "Indian accounts of Alexander the Great."}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:25", "text": ">> Yeah, I'd love to hear those stories"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "from the places conquered or oppressed"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "by those massive regimes."}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:12:35", "start": "01:12:32", "text": ">> Like like Gangghaskhan too. I want to"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "see records of like how he was"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:35", "text": "described."}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:36", "text": ">> You know what I really want to talk"}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "about? I need to do research into this,"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "but it's hard to do research into this"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "topic because of the how much little"}, {"end": "01:12:48", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "information there is on it. It's the sea"}, {"end": "01:12:51", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "people that all over the world they talk"}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:48", "text": "about this basically these the sea"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:51", "text": "people that were like they lived in the"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "like not in the ocean but they like"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "lived on the ocean."}, {"end": "01:13:01", "start": "01:12:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:59", "text": ">> And they would go and raid different"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:01", "text": "countries like the Egyptians have"}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "hieroglyphics of these sea people coming"}, {"end": "01:13:10", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "and just completely owning the Egyptians"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "and like everywhere around the world"}, {"end": "01:13:13", "start": "01:13:10", "text": "they feared the sea people."}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:12", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:13", "text": ">> Yeah. But there's like nothing written"}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:14", "text": "about them."}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:15", "text": ">> So that'd be a fun"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:18", "text": ">> study to"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:18", "text": ">> Is that Atlantis? Is that aliens?"}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:22", "text": ">> I mean, who knows? We have literally the"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "New Jersey governor seeing new drones"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "coming out of the water."}, {"end": "01:13:31", "start": "01:13:28", "text": ">> So it's like"}, {"end": "01:13:33", "start": "01:13:29", "text": ">> something's got to be down there."}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:33", "text": ">> Speaking of drones coming out of the"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "water, didn't you have something about"}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "an iPhone?"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:36", "text": ">> Yeah. So your iPhone is causing cancer"}, {"end": "01:13:43", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "and it's in the legal disclaimer in the"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "iPhone. So, everyone pull out your"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:43", "text": "iPhones. Watch this."}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:44", "text": ">> What are we doing?"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:45", "text": ">> Watch this. Pull out your iPhone. Go to"}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "general."}, {"end": "01:13:50", "start": "01:13:48", "text": ">> General."}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:49", "text": ">> I'm going to do it with you guys so I"}, {"end": "01:13:55", "start": "01:13:50", "text": "remember. Make sure. All right. iPhone."}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:53", "text": "General. Down at the bottom, legal and"}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:55", "text": "regulatory."}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:56", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"end": "01:14:04", "start": "01:13:56", "text": ">> And then once you're there, RF exposure."}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:00", "text": ">> Cool. And then in the uh"}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:04", "text": "the second and third paragraph it says"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "that this iPhone has been tested uh to"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "meet applicable limits for radio"}, {"end": "01:14:15", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "frequency exposure. Um but then in the"}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "second paragraph it gives two different"}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:15", "text": "measurements per gram of tissue by"}, {"end": "01:14:21", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "what's allowed. Some nations only allow"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "a certain amount and iPhone literally"}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:21", "text": "changes the amount per the nation that"}, {"end": "01:14:26", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "it's in according to this second"}, {"end": "01:14:26", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "paragraph."}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:26", "text": ">> So I jumped into chat GBT. I was like"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "explain this to me. do iPhones cause"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "cancer? And they said, \"No, they don't.\""}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "You know, they just they do a bunch of"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "testing, but they do recommend that you"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "keep your iPhone 5 millimeters off of"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "your person. So, if you wear skinny"}, {"end": "01:14:45", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "jeans like me, that's a problem. It's"}, {"end": "01:14:47", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "literally on my leg all the time."}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:45", "text": ">> I've been telling you, skinny jeans have"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:47", "text": "been a problem for a long time."}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:48", "text": ">> I'm sorry, man. But if you put your"}, {"end": "01:14:56", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "phone on your head, that's literally"}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "contact. And so that's considered um"}, {"end": "01:15:01", "start": "01:14:56", "text": "that's considered beyond the parameters"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "of their testing. Um but then so I"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:01", "text": "started looking into like well who does"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "all these regulations? What different um"}, {"end": "01:15:10", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "you know governing bodies make these"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "decisions? And so there's one let me"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:10", "text": "open up my notes. There's one in Germany"}, {"end": "01:15:17", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "that kind of handled the European ones."}, {"end": "01:15:19", "start": "01:15:14", "text": ">> And then there's another one that's uh"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:17", "text": "connected to the World Health"}, {"end": "01:15:24", "start": "01:15:19", "text": "Organization and the FDA and both have"}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "been proven like even just looking at"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "the the little pandemic that we dealt"}, {"end": "01:15:31", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "with, right? There like stuff like the"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "the lab leak theory, they had to World"}, {"end": "01:15:34", "start": "01:15:31", "text": "Health Organization had to double back"}, {"end": "01:15:37", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "on their like we did dismiss that too"}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:34", "text": "soon. And so all of the different like"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:37", "text": "governing bodies that have been"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "responsible for protecting us from our"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "iPhones and conducting those studies,"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "all of them have a history of corruption"}, {"end": "01:15:51", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "being paid off and all these sort of"}, {"end": "01:15:54", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "things. So they're telling us it's safe,"}, {"end": "01:15:57", "start": "01:15:51", "text": "but there have been other studies where"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:54", "text": "like I know they exposed rats to this"}, {"end": "01:16:00", "start": "01:15:57", "text": "radio frequency radiation. Granted, it"}, {"end": "01:16:02", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "was a little more and after I think it"}, {"end": "01:16:05", "start": "01:16:00", "text": "was 2 years, most of them started"}, {"end": "01:16:07", "start": "01:16:02", "text": "developing t uh developing tumors. But"}, {"end": "01:16:09", "start": "01:16:05", "text": "this all started because I saw a lady on"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:07", "text": "Instagram and she was talking um they"}, {"end": "01:16:15", "start": "01:16:09", "text": "were doing like breast cancer research"}, {"end": "01:16:17", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "and they started finding tumors in the"}, {"end": "01:16:18", "start": "01:16:15", "text": "shape of the lithium battery from when"}, {"end": "01:16:19", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "people were tucking their phones in"}, {"end": "01:16:21", "start": "01:16:18", "text": "their bras."}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:19", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"end": "01:16:24", "start": "01:16:21", "text": ">> Yeah, dude."}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:22", "text": ">> Bro,"}, {"end": "01:16:27", "start": "01:16:24", "text": ">> good thing I don't wear a bra"}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:26", "text": ">> anymore."}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:27", "text": "to stop wearing bras."}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:30", "text": ">> Stop it."}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:30", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"end": "01:16:36", "start": "01:16:31", "text": ">> Yeah. The the other the European one,"}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "which is more extreme than our distance,"}, {"end": "01:16:42", "start": "01:16:36", "text": "um it's a German governing body, but"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "they in 2005 two or 2006 got in trouble"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:42", "text": "for like I think taking bribes or"}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "something allegedly. I'll just say"}, {"end": "01:16:50", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "allegedly because I don't remember"}, {"end": "01:16:53", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "exactly, but corruption in every single"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:50", "text": "one of those uh bits of things. So yeah,"}, {"end": "01:16:56", "start": "01:16:53", "text": "the phone is definitively like why put a"}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "warning? They're like, \"They're just"}, {"end": "01:17:00", "start": "01:16:56", "text": "doing that because like no, there's a"}, {"end": "01:17:00", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "freaking warning in your thing.\""}, {"end": "01:17:02", "start": "01:17:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:17:00", "text": ">> Cuz 50 years down the line when all"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:17:02", "text": "these cases start coming out, they're"}, {"end": "01:17:05", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "like,"}, {"end": "01:17:07", "start": "01:17:04", "text": ">> \"Yeah, you can't sue us.\""}, {"end": "01:17:09", "start": "01:17:05", "text": ">> Yeah. You agree."}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:07", "text": ">> You said you agreed."}, {"end": "01:17:11", "start": "01:17:09", "text": ">> You said you said you go with the"}, {"end": "01:17:12", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "cancer."}, {"end": "01:17:14", "start": "01:17:11", "text": ">> You said you read it."}, {"end": "01:17:16", "start": "01:17:12", "text": ">> What? You said you accepted. You said"}, {"end": "01:17:18", "start": "01:17:14", "text": "I've read it and you accept it."}, {"end": "01:17:18", "start": "01:17:16", "text": ">> Wait a minute. You're a liar. Come on,"}, {"end": "01:17:21", "start": "01:17:18", "text": "guys."}, {"end": "01:17:22", "start": "01:17:18", "text": ">> I think it disappointed us. Dang it,"}, {"end": "01:17:24", "start": "01:17:21", "text": ">> dude. Did you guys see that interview"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:22", "text": "with Neil Degrass Tyson that he just"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:24", "text": "did? that he talks about how from like"}, {"end": "01:17:33", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "the beginning of time until the 1840s,"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:32", "text": "people only really lived to be like half"}, {"end": "01:17:36", "start": "01:17:33", "text": "the population lived to be only like 35"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "years old."}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:17:41", "start": "01:17:37", "text": ">> You knew that?"}, {"end": "01:17:42", "start": "01:17:38", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, the life expectancy was"}, {"end": "01:17:43", "start": "01:17:41", "text": "crazy."}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:42", "text": ">> 1840."}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:43", "text": ">> Yeah. They freaking had those little"}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "5-year-olds working in the mills and"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:48", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "01:17:51", "start": "01:17:48", "text": ">> Yeah, they totally did."}, {"end": "01:17:53", "start": "01:17:49", "text": ">> But they also believe like like just"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:51", "text": "drink whiskey that's going to cure your"}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:53", "text": "broken leg."}, {"end": "01:17:57", "start": "01:17:54", "text": ">> Yeah. and have a bloodline."}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:55", "text": ">> Well, I mean, it it did."}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:57", "text": ">> It did."}, {"end": "01:18:01", "start": "01:17:58", "text": ">> They used to teach tobacco was a cure"}, {"end": "01:18:04", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "for asthma."}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:18:01", "text": ">> I think it was Ben Ben Franklin's dad"}, {"end": "01:18:07", "start": "01:18:04", "text": "would plug him with a cigar and then"}, {"end": "01:18:09", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "send him riding on the horse or the wind"}, {"end": "01:18:11", "start": "01:18:07", "text": "and the smoke would open his lungs."}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:09", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, did you know the dudes"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:11", "text": "that signed the Declaration of"}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "Independence, they're like all in their"}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "20s?"}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:16", "text": ">> Yeah. They all They're all hardcore."}, {"end": "01:18:20", "start": "01:18:18", "text": "It's crazy."}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:18", "text": ">> That's pretty cool. They're all depicted"}, {"end": "01:18:22", "start": "01:18:20", "text": "as these like old men."}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:21", "text": ">> Yeah. But um"}, {"end": "01:18:26", "start": "01:18:22", "text": ">> I think George was it George Washington"}, {"end": "01:18:27", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "or"}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:26", "text": ">> George Washington was like one of the"}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:27", "text": "older dudes and he was like 33 or"}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:30", "text": "something."}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:30", "text": ">> Which is crazy. I'm I'm 33. How old am"}, {"end": "01:18:36", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "I? 32."}, {"end": "01:18:41", "start": "01:18:34", "text": ">> 33 in October."}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:36", "text": ">> 32. 33 in October. Yeah. Um but yeah."}, {"end": "01:18:44", "start": "01:18:41", "text": "Anyway, so he's his whole argument is"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "like everybody's hating on science, but"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:44", "text": "science has got us where we are today."}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:46", "text": ">> I know. But yeah, now you look at like"}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "the what's happening in this world."}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:50", "text": ">> I know. James Monroe was 18."}, {"end": "01:18:56", "start": "01:18:52", "text": ">> Isn't that crazy?"}, {"end": "01:18:58", "start": "01:18:55", "text": ">> Alexander Hamilton was 20."}, {"end": "01:19:00", "start": "01:18:56", "text": ">> Can you imagine being that ticked off"}, {"end": "01:19:01", "start": "01:18:58", "text": "about taxes at 18?"}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:19:00", "text": ">> Here's the thing, though."}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:19:01", "text": ">> But Benjamin Franklin was 70. That's"}, {"end": "01:19:04", "start": "01:19:03", "text": "crazy."}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:19:03", "text": ">> Oh, was he really?"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:04", "text": ">> Yeah, he was 70."}, {"end": "01:19:12", "start": "01:19:05", "text": ">> Benjamin Franklin was a freak."}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:08", "text": ">> Evil, bro, get some friends your age."}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:12", "text": ">> For real. Um,"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:13", "text": ">> yeah. He was probably hanging out with"}, {"end": "01:19:19", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "the young ones for a reason."}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, barf. You guys."}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:19", "text": "Anyway, what was I going to say?"}, {"end": "01:19:22", "start": "01:19:20", "text": ">> You guys want to hang out?"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:21", "text": ">> He'd have been at the Diddy Park."}, {"end": "01:19:25", "start": "01:19:22", "text": ">> Start revolution."}, {"end": "01:19:25", "start": "01:19:24", "text": ">> Yikes."}, {"end": "01:19:26", "start": "01:19:25", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "01:19:28", "start": "01:19:25", "text": ">> Start a Revolution."}, {"end": "01:19:30", "start": "01:19:26", "text": ">> I'm listening to"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:28", "text": ">> Go Fly Guy Benjamin. Come on."}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:30", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "01:19:35", "start": "01:19:32", "text": ">> But anyway, even just watching Survivor,"}, {"end": "01:19:38", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "you guys, and going back to the first"}, {"end": "01:19:40", "start": "01:19:35", "text": "seasons, I'm just blown away by our"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:38", "text": "culture shift. You know what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:40", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"end": "01:19:46", "start": "01:19:41", "text": ">> Like, and two, like these women, they're"}, {"end": "01:19:49", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "going on there and you're like, \"Dang,"}, {"end": "01:19:51", "start": "01:19:46", "text": "that lady's old. She's like 40."}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:49", "text": "And we just look different as a society,"}, {"end": "01:19:55", "start": "01:19:51", "text": "don't we?"}, {"end": "01:19:58", "start": "01:19:52", "text": ">> It's like we we can live longer than we"}, {"end": "01:19:59", "start": "01:19:55", "text": "could in the 1840s, but we're we're way"}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:58", "text": "dumber."}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for sure."}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:20:00", "text": ">> Infinitely dumber, infinitely less"}, {"end": "01:20:04", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "resilient."}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:20:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:04", "text": ">> I mean, like this girl was going on"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "there. I was like, \"Wow, she really"}, {"end": "01:20:10", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "carries herself like a big grown-up, you"}, {"end": "01:20:10", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "know, wonder how old she is.\" 22."}, {"end": "01:20:12", "start": "01:20:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:10", "text": ">> 22. It's because you were expected to do"}, {"end": "01:20:14", "start": "01:20:12", "text": "more."}, {"end": "01:20:17", "start": "01:20:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:20:18", "start": "01:20:14", "text": "All I can think about is like when I"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:17", "text": "watch those documentaries about them"}, {"end": "01:20:21", "start": "01:20:18", "text": "going out like moving out west, you"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:21", "text": ">> uh during the whatever"}, {"end": "01:20:26", "start": "01:20:24", "text": "1800s,"}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:24", "text": ">> manifest destiny."}, {"end": "01:20:31", "start": "01:20:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "Um like especially the Mormons, like"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:31", "text": "when they moved to Utah and they"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "literally built Salt Lake City."}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:35", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:35", "text": ">> It's like the first thing that they"}, {"end": "01:20:42", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "built was the temple. Have you seen the"}, {"end": "01:20:43", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "temple in Salt Lake City?"}, {"end": "01:20:44", "start": "01:20:42", "text": ">> Oh yeah. Huge."}, {"end": "01:20:46", "start": "01:20:43", "text": ">> Insane. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:20:48", "start": "01:20:44", "text": ">> I'm thinking, \"Wow,"}, {"end": "01:20:49", "start": "01:20:46", "text": ">> how do you do that?\" Was that what it"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:48", "text": "looked like back then? Like, was it that"}, {"end": "01:20:52", "start": "01:20:49", "text": "big? Really?"}, {"end": "01:20:54", "start": "01:20:50", "text": ">> I mean, just this massive temple and"}, {"end": "01:20:55", "start": "01:20:52", "text": "like made out of granite and like"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:54", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"end": "01:20:57", "start": "01:20:55", "text": ">> But that's what I'm like these people"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "that moved out west and it's like they"}, {"end": "01:21:03", "start": "01:20:57", "text": "just like a 17-year-old father of 20"}, {"end": "01:21:05", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "like would move out west and then they"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:03", "text": "would just build a house."}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:21:12", "start": "01:21:06", "text": ">> Find cows and like plant food."}, {"end": "01:21:14", "start": "01:21:09", "text": ">> It's wild. They just the life was just"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:12", "text": "so different cuz you had to like Yeah."}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:14", "text": ">> You had no option. You had I mean I see"}, {"end": "01:21:22", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "you see those videos of like those kids"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "like in the 1910s 1920s on the streets"}, {"end": "01:21:25", "start": "01:21:22", "text": "like look how they were probably 10 but"}, {"end": "01:21:27", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "they looked 40."}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:25", "text": ">> It's like life was just so much heavier"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:27", "text": "back then."}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:28", "text": ">> I was think about that this like uh last"}, {"end": "01:21:35", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "night we're just"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:33", "text": ">> how we just have running water and it's"}, {"end": "01:21:39", "start": "01:21:35", "text": "not even a big deal. I'm like, if I have"}, {"end": "01:21:42", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "the dur like a hurricane, if we have no"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "power, cleaning dishes is a nightmare."}, {"end": "01:21:46", "start": "01:21:42", "text": "Not having like running water. But it's"}, {"end": "01:21:48", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "like, what am I doing? Like, how? We"}, {"end": "01:21:48", "start": "01:21:46", "text": "would struggle so much."}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:48", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:21:50", "start": "01:21:48", "text": ">> it's wild."}, {"end": "01:21:52", "start": "01:21:49", "text": ">> I'm listening to this book right now"}, {"end": "01:21:55", "start": "01:21:50", "text": "called A People's History of the United"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:52", "text": "States. And it's basically the whole"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:55", "text": "point of it is it's telling the ugly"}, {"end": "01:22:01", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "side of history that no history class"}, {"end": "01:22:04", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "has ever taught you. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:22:06", "start": "01:22:01", "text": ">> And his whole point that he makes in the"}, {"end": "01:22:09", "start": "01:22:04", "text": "beginning was like you need to know all"}, {"end": "01:22:11", "start": "01:22:06", "text": "history, not just the stuff that makes"}, {"end": "01:22:13", "start": "01:22:09", "text": "America look good or certain people look"}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:11", "text": "good, but like it's like if you leave it"}, {"end": "01:22:15", "start": "01:22:13", "text": "out, then how are we going to learn from"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "history? It's just going to repeat"}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:15", "text": "itself over and over again. Um, but I'm"}, {"end": "01:22:21", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "in the chapter right now where he's"}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "talking about the revolution,"}, {"end": "01:22:29", "start": "01:22:21", "text": "revolutionary war and stuff. And it's"}, {"end": "01:22:33", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "insane of how"}, {"end": "01:22:37", "start": "01:22:29", "text": "America like one of the main reasons we"}, {"end": "01:22:41", "start": "01:22:33", "text": "revolted against the British Empire was"}, {"end": "01:22:43", "start": "01:22:37", "text": "taxes, right? So America started making"}, {"end": "01:22:45", "start": "01:22:41", "text": "a ton of money from all their crops and"}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:43", "text": "stuff and then here comes England just"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:45", "text": "tax and tax and they're like we don't"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "want to pay that anymore."}, {"end": "01:22:53", "start": "01:22:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:49", "text": ">> But the thing is this it was an elite"}, {"end": "01:22:59", "start": "01:22:53", "text": "establishment in the United States. So"}, {"end": "01:23:04", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "they gave the scenario of like um like"}, {"end": "01:23:08", "start": "01:22:59", "text": "Boston. I think there was like 10 people"}, {"end": "01:23:09", "start": "01:23:04", "text": "in Boston made up for over 90% of the"}, {"end": "01:23:09", "start": "01:23:08", "text": "wealth in Boston."}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:09", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"end": "01:23:12", "start": "01:23:09", "text": ">> The rest were just poor people."}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:23:15", "start": "01:23:12", "text": ">> Where else do we see that play out?"}, {"end": "01:23:17", "start": "01:23:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Exact. But that's what I'm saying."}, {"end": "01:23:19", "start": "01:23:15", "text": "You think of like uh like the"}, {"end": "01:23:21", "start": "01:23:17", "text": "Rockefellers,"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:19", "text": "uh JP Morgan, like all how they would"}, {"end": "01:23:25", "start": "01:23:21", "text": "just they're always there seems like"}, {"end": "01:23:27", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "there's always been like an elitess."}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:25", "text": ">> Yeah. that the poor people suffer, but"}, {"end": "01:23:33", "start": "01:23:27", "text": "they influence"}, {"end": "01:23:34", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "the poor and the middle class. So like"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:33", "text": "the middle class and the poor during"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:34", "text": "this time, they hated the elites."}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "They're like, \"You guys get everything."}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "We're the ones working for you.\""}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:41", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "01:23:46", "start": "01:23:41", "text": ">> And we can barely afford to buy a piece"}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "of bread. And but then the elites are"}, {"end": "01:23:49", "start": "01:23:46", "text": "like, \"We need to stop paying taxes so"}, {"end": "01:23:52", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "we can make more money."}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:49", "text": ">> So let's fight the British.\" And so they"}, {"end": "01:23:55", "start": "01:23:52", "text": "basically had to like manipulate the"}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "poor to join the revolutionary."}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:55", "text": ">> We're doing this for you."}, {"end": "01:23:59", "start": "01:23:56", "text": ">> This is insanely familiar."}, {"end": "01:24:00", "start": "01:23:58", "text": ">> I know."}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:59", "text": ">> I know. You're just describing it. I'm"}, {"end": "01:24:03", "start": "01:24:00", "text": "like, \"This is we can't afford bread.\""}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "I'm like, \"Oh, that sounds okay.\""}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:24:07", "start": "01:24:04", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:04", "text": ">> Gasoline prices were up."}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:07", "text": ">> Yeah. I was just reading some comments."}, {"end": "01:24:12", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "This, you know, that comedian was"}, {"end": "01:24:14", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "talking to this a guy asking about like"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:12", "text": "uh investing and stuff like that, and"}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:14", "text": "he's like, \"If I have $3,200 in my bank"}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "account, where should I invest it?\" And"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "everybody's like in the comments,"}, {"end": "01:24:23", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "they're like, \"Great. How do I get"}, {"end": "01:24:25", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "$3,200?"}, {"end": "01:24:27", "start": "01:24:23", "text": ">> So, the chapter the chapter this chapter"}, {"end": "01:24:29", "start": "01:24:25", "text": "is called Tyranny is tyranny."}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:27", "text": ">> So, basically like"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:29", "text": ">> we had our own established tyranny that"}, {"end": "01:24:37", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "was going to fight another tyranny so we"}, {"end": "01:24:38", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "could be so the tyrants could control"}, {"end": "01:24:40", "start": "01:24:37", "text": "America."}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:38", "text": ">> Yeah. But they'd be our tyrants."}, {"end": "01:24:42", "start": "01:24:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:24:44", "start": "01:24:41", "text": ">> Our tyrants that we're proud of."}, {"end": "01:24:46", "start": "01:24:42", "text": "Anyways, I know there was more involved"}, {"end": "01:24:48", "start": "01:24:44", "text": "in the Revolutionary War, but that was a"}, {"end": "01:24:50", "start": "01:24:46", "text": "big component was the elites of the"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:48", "text": "United States were like, \"How do we get"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:50", "text": "more rich and how do we stop paying the"}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:52", "text": "British?\""}, {"end": "01:24:55", "start": "01:24:52", "text": ">> Yeah. And they looked around, they said,"}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "\"These people will fight for us. They"}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:55", "text": "love this what we're doing here and we"}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "promise them this. They'll fight for"}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:59", "text": "it.\""}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:59", "text": ">> Then we'll be free and we'll have more"}, {"end": "01:25:02", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "money."}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:25:01", "text": ">> Still crazy."}, {"end": "01:25:05", "start": "01:25:02", "text": ">> Still happening."}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:04", "text": ">> At least we Yeah. At least we learned"}, {"end": "01:25:09", "start": "01:25:05", "text": "our lesson though."}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:07", "text": ">> And that's the biggest thing of all. At"}, {"end": "01:25:11", "start": "01:25:09", "text": "the end of the day, we learned our"}, {"end": "01:25:13", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "lesson."}, {"end": "01:25:15", "start": "01:25:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Um,"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:13", "text": "I watched the W files recently."}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:15", "text": ">> What's he what what did AJ say?"}, {"end": "01:25:21", "start": "01:25:18", "text": ">> He was talking about the uh the Grada"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "treaty."}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:21", "text": ">> Whoever we talked about it briefly. I"}, {"end": "01:25:28", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "never said it its name that it's called"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "the Gradu Treaty. Grad Treaty."}, {"end": "01:25:31", "start": "01:25:28", "text": ">> It's basically the treaty that was"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "signed supposedly this conspiracy is"}, {"end": "01:25:35", "start": "01:25:31", "text": "signed by"}, {"end": "01:25:38", "start": "01:25:32", "text": ">> not actually signed but a treaty made"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:35", "text": "between uh President Dwight Eisenhower"}, {"end": "01:25:41", "start": "01:25:38", "text": "Yeah. with aliens."}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:40", "text": ">> Aliens. Yeah. Okay."}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:41", "text": ">> And the theory is so spooky, so creepy."}, {"end": "01:25:51", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "Um, everyone go watch the W files on"}, {"end": "01:25:54", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "that, but it's basically like 1954,"}, {"end": "01:25:59", "start": "01:25:51", "text": "President Eisenhower met with delegation"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:54", "text": "of extraterrestrial beings at um Mer,"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:25:59", "text": "uh, sorry, Moro Air Force Base. Uh, a"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "formal treaty was signed, but some"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "people say it wasn't signed. It was"}, {"end": "01:26:11", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "actually communicated telepathically."}, {"end": "01:26:14", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "um the aliens promise to not interfere"}, {"end": "01:26:17", "start": "01:26:11", "text": "in our affairs and we agreed to keep"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:14", "text": "their presence a secret. And so"}, {"end": "01:26:22", "start": "01:26:17", "text": "basically what happened was"}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "one there's two different types of"}, {"end": "01:26:26", "start": "01:26:22", "text": "aliens that came to meet with"}, {"end": "01:26:28", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "Eisenhower. One were what they call the"}, {"end": "01:26:30", "start": "01:26:26", "text": "Nordics,"}, {"end": "01:26:31", "start": "01:26:28", "text": "tall, pale,"}, {"end": "01:26:34", "start": "01:26:30", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"end": "01:26:37", "start": "01:26:31", "text": ">> beautiful looking humanlike aliens, long"}, {"end": "01:26:39", "start": "01:26:34", "text": "blonde hair. And they offered Eisenhower"}, {"end": "01:26:42", "start": "01:26:37", "text": "they would basically"}, {"end": "01:26:44", "start": "01:26:39", "text": "speed up the technology to where there"}, {"end": "01:26:47", "start": "01:26:42", "text": "wouldn't be any more diseases, all this"}, {"end": "01:26:50", "start": "01:26:44", "text": "different stuff and like world peace,"}, {"end": "01:26:52", "start": "01:26:47", "text": "clean energy, odd stuff in exchange for"}, {"end": "01:26:54", "start": "01:26:50", "text": "disarming your nuclear warheads."}, {"end": "01:26:57", "start": "01:26:52", "text": ">> Oh, that seems reasonable."}, {"end": "01:27:00", "start": "01:26:54", "text": ">> And you would think, right? Then after"}, {"end": "01:27:03", "start": "01:26:57", "text": "that, these other aliens appeared and"}, {"end": "01:27:06", "start": "01:27:00", "text": "they were the grays and they offered"}, {"end": "01:27:08", "start": "01:27:03", "text": "just to the United States, we'll give"}, {"end": "01:27:11", "start": "01:27:06", "text": "you advancements in technology,"}, {"end": "01:27:14", "start": "01:27:08", "text": "weaponry, you'll be the number one"}, {"end": "01:27:18", "start": "01:27:11", "text": "powerhouse in the world. In exchange,"}, {"end": "01:27:20", "start": "01:27:14", "text": "you let us experiment on humans."}, {"end": "01:27:21", "start": "01:27:18", "text": ">> And that's what they ended up agreeing"}, {"end": "01:27:24", "start": "01:27:20", "text": "with."}, {"end": "01:27:25", "start": "01:27:21", "text": ">> Supposedly, it sounds like"}, {"end": "01:27:27", "start": "01:27:24", "text": "somebody used their imagination."}, {"end": "01:27:28", "start": "01:27:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, the crazy thing is with"}, {"end": "01:27:30", "start": "01:27:27", "text": "Eisenhower,"}, {"end": "01:27:33", "start": "01:27:28", "text": "it was actually reported in the"}, {"end": "01:27:35", "start": "01:27:30", "text": "newspaper that President Eisenhower died"}, {"end": "01:27:36", "start": "01:27:33", "text": "because he was missing for a couple"}, {"end": "01:27:39", "start": "01:27:35", "text": "days."}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:36", "text": "But what happened was they're saying"}, {"end": "01:27:43", "start": "01:27:39", "text": "that he was actually at this Air Force"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "base meeting, but the cover story was"}, {"end": "01:27:48", "start": "01:27:43", "text": "that he had a chip tooth and had to get"}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:45", "text": "emergency dental work, but there's no"}, {"end": "01:27:51", "start": "01:27:48", "text": "records of him going to the dentist or"}, {"end": "01:27:54", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "getting this dental work."}, {"end": "01:27:56", "start": "01:27:51", "text": ">> Yeah. So, that's a weird slippage of"}, {"end": "01:27:57", "start": "01:27:54", "text": "like, well, where then where was he?"}, {"end": "01:27:59", "start": "01:27:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:28:02", "start": "01:27:57", "text": ">> Um, anyways, the whole thing is super"}, {"end": "01:28:05", "start": "01:27:59", "text": "interesting, but he mentioned this dude"}, {"end": "01:28:08", "start": "01:28:02", "text": "William Cooper who talked a lot about"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:05", "text": "the greater tree. I'm like, I want to"}, {"end": "01:28:12", "start": "01:28:08", "text": "look into William Cooper because I think"}, {"end": "01:28:14", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "he mentioned on the Wild Files that he"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:12", "text": "predicted 911 before it happened. I'm"}, {"end": "01:28:17", "start": "01:28:14", "text": "like, I thought that I thought Alex"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "Jones did that."}, {"end": "01:28:23", "start": "01:28:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Turns out this guy William Cooper"}, {"end": "01:28:24", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "predicted 911 before Alex Jones."}, {"end": "01:28:27", "start": "01:28:23", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:28:27", "start": "01:28:24", "text": ">> And this guy William Cooper hated Alex"}, {"end": "01:28:28", "start": "01:28:27", "text": "Jones."}, {"end": "01:28:32", "start": "01:28:27", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:28:35", "start": "01:28:28", "text": ">> Said that Alex Jones was a a fearmonger"}, {"end": "01:28:37", "start": "01:28:32", "text": "and potentially a disinformation agent."}, {"end": "01:28:38", "start": "01:28:35", "text": ">> Wow. Which people are saying right now."}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:28:44", "start": "01:28:38", "text": ">> But um so this guy William Cooper, he"}, {"end": "01:28:46", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "was basically the conspiracy theorist"}, {"end": "01:28:48", "start": "01:28:44", "text": "before conspiracy theorists."}, {"end": "01:28:50", "start": "01:28:46", "text": ">> Okay. the father of conspiracies"}, {"end": "01:28:54", "start": "01:28:48", "text": ">> pretty much. Uh but he wrote this book"}, {"end": "01:28:57", "start": "01:28:50", "text": "uh and in Behold a pale horse in 1991"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:54", "text": "goes into like he's I think one of the"}, {"end": "01:29:01", "start": "01:28:57", "text": "first people to coin the new world order"}, {"end": "01:29:03", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "but he made all these predictions that"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:01", "text": "are just like boom boom boom boom boom"}, {"end": "01:29:07", "start": "01:29:03", "text": "coming true. Um"}, {"end": "01:29:08", "start": "01:29:06", "text": ">> he was a writer for the Simpsons as"}, {"end": "01:29:10", "start": "01:29:07", "text": "well."}, {"end": "01:29:12", "start": "01:29:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh but he has a military"}, {"end": "01:29:17", "start": "01:29:10", "text": "background so or supposedly Cooper"}, {"end": "01:29:19", "start": "01:29:12", "text": "claimed they served in the US Navy um in"}, {"end": "01:29:22", "start": "01:29:17", "text": "the naval intelligence"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:19", "text": "and apparently he saw some documents"}, {"end": "01:29:25", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "referring to a secret government deal"}, {"end": "01:29:28", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "with extraterrestrials. So that's with"}, {"end": "01:29:30", "start": "01:29:25", "text": "the whole Greta um treaty."}, {"end": "01:29:32", "start": "01:29:28", "text": ">> What's more believable? the fact that we"}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:30", "text": "have a treaty with aliens as a"}, {"end": "01:29:39", "start": "01:29:32", "text": "government"}, {"end": "01:29:39", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "or that we had a president named Dwight."}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:40", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "01:29:47", "start": "01:29:42", "text": "where the heck is it? Oh, here we go."}, {"end": "01:29:49", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "All right. So, on June 28th, 2001, just"}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:47", "text": "months before 911, Cooper said the"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:49", "text": "following on his radio show. The radio"}, {"end": "01:29:56", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "show is called The Hour of Time. This is"}, {"end": "01:29:58", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "his quote. I'm telling you to be"}, {"end": "01:30:01", "start": "01:29:56", "text": "prepared for a major attack, but it"}, {"end": "01:30:04", "start": "01:29:58", "text": "won't be Osama bin Laden. It will be"}, {"end": "01:30:04", "start": "01:30:01", "text": "those behind the new world order. Oh my"}, {"end": "01:30:06", "start": "01:30:04", "text": "god."}, {"end": "01:30:08", "start": "01:30:04", "text": ">> They need a major attack in order to"}, {"end": "01:30:11", "start": "01:30:06", "text": "launch their plans for a world"}, {"end": "01:30:13", "start": "01:30:08", "text": "government and to take away your"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:11", "text": "freedoms."}, {"end": "01:30:16", "start": "01:30:13", "text": ">> So we said that in June"}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:15", "text": ">> of"}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:16", "text": ">> 2001. So before 911."}, {"end": "01:30:25", "start": "01:30:20", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:30:28", "start": "01:30:20", "text": ">> And then September 911 happened."}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:25", "text": "September 11th, 911. Uh, but then on"}, {"end": "01:30:34", "start": "01:30:28", "text": "November 5th, cops showed up to his"}, {"end": "01:30:36", "start": "01:30:31", "text": "house to arrest him for tax evasion."}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:34", "text": "Ended up supposedly getting in a"}, {"end": "01:30:40", "start": "01:30:36", "text": "shootout and killing him."}, {"end": "01:30:40", "start": "01:30:37", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:40", "text": ">> Weeks after 9/11 happened."}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:42", "text": ">> A shootout."}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:43", "text": ">> A shootout over him supposedly being"}, {"end": "01:30:50", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "arrested for tax evasion."}, {"end": "01:30:52", "start": "01:30:48", "text": ">> What are we talking about?"}, {"end": "01:30:55", "start": "01:30:50", "text": ">> Are we dumb? I'll say it again."}, {"end": "01:30:56", "start": "01:30:52", "text": ">> Mhm. and he didn't like Alex Jones."}, {"end": "01:30:57", "start": "01:30:55", "text": ">> He despised Alex Jones."}, {"end": "01:31:00", "start": "01:30:56", "text": ">> Listen,"}, {"end": "01:31:02", "start": "01:30:57", "text": ">> spoke adamantly about how much he"}, {"end": "01:31:04", "start": "01:31:00", "text": "disapproved of Alex Jones and he was a"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:02", "text": "fearmonger and potentially a"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:04", "text": "disinformation agent,"}, {"end": "01:31:09", "start": "01:31:06", "text": ">> potentially working for the government"}, {"end": "01:31:11", "start": "01:31:08", "text": "to spread lies."}, {"end": "01:31:12", "start": "01:31:09", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:31:13", "start": "01:31:11", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "01:31:14", "start": "01:31:12", "text": ">> yeah, I bet that whole Hillary Clinton"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:13", "text": "is a goblin woman that smells like"}, {"end": "01:31:19", "start": "01:31:14", "text": "sulfur, I bet was scripted by the CIA."}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:17", "text": ">> Could you imagine some intern writing"}, {"end": "01:31:21", "start": "01:31:19", "text": "all these insults?"}, {"end": "01:31:23", "start": "01:31:20", "text": ">> We know this to be true. They're picking"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:21", "text": "off all these guys. Why are we talking"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:23", "text": "about this stuff on a podcast?"}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:26", "text": ">> True."}, {"end": "01:31:30", "start": "01:31:27", "text": ">> Because we're all It's all It's all a"}, {"end": "01:31:32", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "joke."}, {"end": "01:31:34", "start": "01:31:30", "text": ">> We're just joking about everything."}, {"end": "01:31:36", "start": "01:31:32", "text": ">> Guys, relax."}, {"end": "01:31:38", "start": "01:31:34", "text": ">> Um, but that went into like Cooper"}, {"end": "01:31:40", "start": "01:31:36", "text": "didn't trust anyone. Yeah. So, uh, he"}, {"end": "01:31:44", "start": "01:31:38", "text": "called out Republicans, Democrats,"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:40", "text": "Freemasons, Jesuits, Illuminati, New Age"}, {"end": "01:31:48", "start": "01:31:44", "text": "spiritualists. He hated Alex Jones,"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:45", "text": "called him a fear-mongering fraud. He"}, {"end": "01:31:52", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "despised UFO cults even though he"}, {"end": "01:31:55", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "claimed to have seen UFOs while in the"}, {"end": "01:31:57", "start": "01:31:52", "text": "Navy and later believed aliens were a"}, {"end": "01:31:58", "start": "01:31:55", "text": "government hoax."}, {"end": "01:32:00", "start": "01:31:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:32:02", "start": "01:31:58", "text": ">> Uh while many UFO researchers"}, {"end": "01:32:05", "start": "01:32:00", "text": "romanticized contact with aliens, Cooper"}, {"end": "01:32:07", "start": "01:32:02", "text": "did not. He believed that aliens were"}, {"end": "01:32:10", "start": "01:32:05", "text": "lying, manipulating humans on their own"}, {"end": "01:32:13", "start": "01:32:07", "text": "ends. The US government sold out its"}, {"end": "01:32:15", "start": "01:32:10", "text": "citizens for tech. Aliens may be demonic"}, {"end": "01:32:17", "start": "01:32:13", "text": "in nature or part of a luciferian"}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:15", "text": "deception. Later in his life, he leaned"}, {"end": "01:32:23", "start": "01:32:17", "text": "more towards that disclosure will be"}, {"end": "01:32:25", "start": "01:32:20", "text": "fake and used to create a one world"}, {"end": "01:32:28", "start": "01:32:23", "text": "religion under the antichrist."}, {"end": "01:32:29", "start": "01:32:25", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "01:32:30", "start": "01:32:28", "text": ">> Go, dude."}, {"end": "01:32:30", "start": "01:32:29", "text": ">> It's a lot about what we're talking"}, {"end": "01:32:32", "start": "01:32:30", "text": "about."}, {"end": "01:32:32", "start": "01:32:30", "text": ">> There's nothing new under the sun. Am I"}, {"end": "01:32:34", "start": "01:32:32", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:32:36", "start": "01:32:32", "text": ">> Yeah. But he he changed his tone. So"}, {"end": "01:32:40", "start": "01:32:34", "text": "like early in the uh 70s and 80s and"}, {"end": "01:32:41", "start": "01:32:36", "text": "stuff, maybe just the 80s, no 70s, he"}, {"end": "01:32:45", "start": "01:32:40", "text": "was talking about like aliens and stuff"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:41", "text": "like that in this uh Greta treaty and"}, {"end": "01:32:49", "start": "01:32:45", "text": "but he slowly the more he actually"}, {"end": "01:32:52", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "started like reading scripture and"}, {"end": "01:32:55", "start": "01:32:49", "text": "stuff, he changed his uh views on what"}, {"end": "01:32:57", "start": "01:32:52", "text": "aliens were and at the end of his life"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:55", "text": "he believed that aliens were complete"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:57", "text": "like demonic deception and that there"}, {"end": "01:33:04", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "was going to be a false flag"}, {"end": "01:33:06", "start": "01:33:02", "text": ">> of aliens and they're they're going to"}, {"end": "01:33:09", "start": "01:33:04", "text": "slowly start showing on the news more"}, {"end": "01:33:10", "start": "01:33:06", "text": "and more alien stuff."}, {"end": "01:33:13", "start": "01:33:09", "text": ">> And he's not the first one to say this"}, {"end": "01:33:16", "start": "01:33:10", "text": "that you could maybe describe as"}, {"end": "01:33:17", "start": "01:33:13", "text": "credible or out William Krueger. You"}, {"end": "01:33:19", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "could probably made he's probably"}, {"end": "01:33:19", "start": "01:33:17", "text": "credible, right?"}, {"end": "01:33:21", "start": "01:33:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:33:22", "start": "01:33:19", "text": ">> But"}, {"end": "01:33:25", "start": "01:33:21", "text": "um"}, {"end": "01:33:28", "start": "01:33:22", "text": "guess who also said that there would be"}, {"end": "01:33:28", "start": "01:33:25", "text": "a staged alien invasion. I think we may"}, {"end": "01:33:30", "start": "01:33:28", "text": "have talked about"}, {"end": "01:33:34", "start": "01:33:28", "text": ">> one of our presidents, right?"}, {"end": "01:33:35", "start": "01:33:30", "text": ">> Uh Verer van Braun. Oh, the uh Nazi"}, {"end": "01:33:35", "start": "01:33:34", "text": "scientist."}, {"end": "01:33:36", "start": "01:33:35", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "01:33:37", "start": "01:33:35", "text": ">> Evil guy."}, {"end": "01:33:39", "start": "01:33:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:33:45", "start": "01:33:37", "text": ">> Hey, good friend of Walt."}, {"end": "01:33:50", "start": "01:33:39", "text": ">> Um so uh Von Braonn basically"}, {"end": "01:33:54", "start": "01:33:45", "text": "uh had this associate Dr. Carol Rosen um"}, {"end": "01:33:56", "start": "01:33:50", "text": "a close colleague of Von Braonn in his"}, {"end": "01:33:58", "start": "01:33:54", "text": "final years. Uh she was an aerospace"}, {"end": "01:34:00", "start": "01:33:56", "text": "executive and later became a"}, {"end": "01:34:02", "start": "01:33:58", "text": "whistleblower and peace activist. Uh, in"}, {"end": "01:34:06", "start": "01:34:00", "text": "multiple interviews, Rosen claim von"}, {"end": "01:34:09", "start": "01:34:02", "text": "Braonn on his deathbed said, \"The last"}, {"end": "01:34:13", "start": "01:34:06", "text": "card, the last card we're going to play"}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:09", "text": "is an alien threat. It's all a lie.\""}, {"end": "01:34:15", "start": "01:34:13", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:34:18", "start": "01:34:14", "text": ">> What year was that?"}, {"end": "01:34:18", "start": "01:34:15", "text": ">> Uh, I'm not sure when he died. The 70s."}, {"end": "01:34:20", "start": "01:34:18", "text": ">> Weird."}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:18", "text": ">> Yeah. But he basically spelled out to"}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:20", "text": "her the the false red flags that were"}, {"end": "01:34:28", "start": "01:34:23", "text": "going to happen to lead to the end."}, {"end": "01:34:31", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "Um, he said it's going to start with the"}, {"end": "01:34:33", "start": "01:34:28", "text": "red menace, which is the Soviet Union,"}, {"end": "01:34:36", "start": "01:34:31", "text": "the Cold War. He says it's going to be"}, {"end": "01:34:39", "start": "01:34:33", "text": "terrorists, Islamic extremists, false"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:36", "text": "flag events, rogue nations such as North"}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "Korea and Iran, asteroids."}, {"end": "01:34:48", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "And so he said that would be a a part to"}, {"end": "01:34:50", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "where we would start weaponizing space"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:48", "text": "in the pretense of planetary defense."}, {"end": "01:34:54", "start": "01:34:50", "text": "And then he said, \"The final card is"}, {"end": "01:34:56", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "going to be aliens staged alien"}, {"end": "01:34:59", "start": "01:34:54", "text": "invasions to unite humanity under a"}, {"end": "01:35:01", "start": "01:34:56", "text": "global government.\""}, {"end": "01:35:03", "start": "01:34:59", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"end": "01:35:05", "start": "01:35:01", "text": ">> Marvel is a scop."}, {"end": "01:35:07", "start": "01:35:03", "text": ">> I mean,"}, {"end": "01:35:09", "start": "01:35:05", "text": "to be speaking about like the like"}, {"end": "01:35:11", "start": "01:35:07", "text": "weaponizing space and asteroids in the"}, {"end": "01:35:11", "start": "01:35:09", "text": "70s, that's crazy to me."}, {"end": "01:35:13", "start": "01:35:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:35:16", "start": "01:35:11", "text": ">> but it makes you wonder if there is like"}, {"end": "01:35:17", "start": "01:35:13", "text": "some type of ancient technology or like"}, {"end": "01:35:19", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "alien"}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:17", "text": "conversations that were happening that"}, {"end": "01:35:21", "start": "01:35:19", "text": "are like, \"Hey, you're going to be able"}, {"end": "01:35:24", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "to do this cuz that just seems so"}, {"end": "01:35:26", "start": "01:35:21", "text": "unlikely to have those conversations"}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:24", "text": "back then and know the capabilities that"}, {"end": "01:35:28", "start": "01:35:26", "text": "we're going to have in the future.\""}, {"end": "01:35:30", "start": "01:35:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:28", "text": ">> Weaponizing space and asteroids like I"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:30", "text": "mean they had been knowing something."}, {"end": "01:35:35", "start": "01:35:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I mean Space Force is"}, {"end": "01:35:37", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "continuing to grow every year and it's"}, {"end": "01:35:39", "start": "01:35:35", "text": "just like they're talking more and more"}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:37", "text": "about space wars and"}, {"end": "01:35:44", "start": "01:35:39", "text": ">> we got a freaking soldier on the moon"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:42", "text": ">> and we got that threeey atlas that"}, {"end": "01:35:48", "start": "01:35:44", "text": "they're talking about on the news coming"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "close to Earth and like all these Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:48", "text": "it's crazy."}, {"end": "01:35:53", "start": "01:35:49", "text": ">> We got we got ninjas or butterflies"}, {"end": "01:35:55", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "spreading hysteria getting them ready."}, {"end": "01:35:57", "start": "01:35:53", "text": ">> We're like Alex Jones fear-mongering"}, {"end": "01:35:58", "start": "01:35:55", "text": ">> fear-mongering frauds dude."}, {"end": "01:36:00", "start": "01:35:57", "text": ">> Um"}, {"end": "01:36:02", "start": "01:35:58", "text": ">> not good."}, {"end": "01:36:04", "start": "01:36:00", "text": ">> Here's a quote from Cooper though."}, {"end": "01:36:06", "start": "01:36:02", "text": "William Cooper, he said in 2000 on a"}, {"end": "01:36:09", "start": "01:36:04", "text": "broadcast, \"The whole alien thing, it's"}, {"end": "01:36:13", "start": "01:36:06", "text": "a lie. The biggest scam ever pulled on"}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:09", "text": "humanity. And the day the and the day"}, {"end": "01:36:19", "start": "01:36:13", "text": "they fake an alien landing, you better"}, {"end": "01:36:21", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "know it's the devil coming, not ET.\""}, {"end": "01:36:23", "start": "01:36:19", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "01:36:24", "start": "01:36:21", "text": ">> I can't wait for the alien invasion"}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:23", "text": "because we will go live."}, {"end": "01:36:27", "start": "01:36:24", "text": ">> You know, guys,"}, {"end": "01:36:28", "start": "01:36:25", "text": ">> we will go live and we'll just say this"}, {"end": "01:36:30", "start": "01:36:27", "text": "ain't real"}, {"end": "01:36:32", "start": "01:36:28", "text": ">> or it is real, but it's not aliens."}, {"end": "01:36:33", "start": "01:36:30", "text": ">> Is real. is real."}, {"end": "01:36:34", "start": "01:36:32", "text": ">> Hey, but that means"}, {"end": "01:36:36", "start": "01:36:33", "text": ">> it's real."}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:34", "text": ">> That means this tech that tech is of"}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:36", "text": "earth"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:37", "text": ">> and can be destroyed by earthly things"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:39", "text": ">> potentially."}, {"end": "01:36:46", "start": "01:36:42", "text": "Anyways, I thought it was crazy. This"}, {"end": "01:36:48", "start": "01:36:45", "text": "guy William Cooper though, man, he was"}, {"end": "01:36:50", "start": "01:36:46", "text": "he would have been"}, {"end": "01:36:52", "start": "01:36:48", "text": ">> a great guest."}, {"end": "01:36:53", "start": "01:36:50", "text": ">> He would have been an amazing guest,"}, {"end": "01:36:54", "start": "01:36:52", "text": ">> dude. He was ahead of his time, though."}, {"end": "01:36:57", "start": "01:36:53", "text": "I mean, he was talking about the"}, {"end": "01:37:00", "start": "01:36:54", "text": "Majestic 12,"}, {"end": "01:37:01", "start": "01:36:57", "text": "uh, just the association with Freemasons"}, {"end": "01:37:03", "start": "01:37:00", "text": "and I mean, just everything."}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:37:01", "text": ">> And even back then, the research must"}, {"end": "01:37:05", "start": "01:37:03", "text": "have been so much more difficult."}, {"end": "01:37:08", "start": "01:37:04", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. You probably had to go to the"}, {"end": "01:37:10", "start": "01:37:05", "text": "library and stuff like talk to someone."}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:08", "text": ">> But the fact he said the thing about"}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:10", "text": "911."}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:37:16", "start": "01:37:11", "text": ">> And then, which I I found very"}, {"end": "01:37:20", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "interesting how all these years Alex"}, {"end": "01:37:22", "start": "01:37:16", "text": "Jones has been claiming he predicted 911"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:20", "text": "before it happened. He got it from"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:22", "text": "William Cooper for sure. That's what I"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "think. He heard William Cooper say it"}, {"end": "01:37:30", "start": "01:37:26", "text": "then Alex Jones did his whole little"}, {"end": "01:37:31", "start": "01:37:28", "text": ">> Alex I mean Alex Jones was a lot more"}, {"end": "01:37:32", "start": "01:37:30", "text": "specific though."}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:31", "text": ">> Not really."}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:32", "text": ">> He said the planes and the said World"}, {"end": "01:37:35", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "Trade Center."}, {"end": "01:37:36", "start": "01:37:34", "text": ">> He did say that."}, {"end": "01:37:39", "start": "01:37:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:37:40", "start": "01:37:36", "text": ">> But I don't know. I find it interesting"}, {"end": "01:37:42", "start": "01:37:39", "text": "that"}, {"end": "01:37:44", "start": "01:37:40", "text": ">> and I looked to see if Alex Jones ever"}, {"end": "01:37:46", "start": "01:37:42", "text": "commented on William Cooper"}, {"end": "01:37:48", "start": "01:37:44", "text": ">> and he like rarely did. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:37:50", "start": "01:37:46", "text": ">> But William Cooper all the time is like"}, {"end": "01:37:51", "start": "01:37:48", "text": "Alex Jones he's a fraud."}, {"end": "01:37:52", "start": "01:37:50", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "01:37:54", "start": "01:37:51", "text": ">> It's It's very interesting. I'm not"}, {"end": "01:37:54", "start": "01:37:52", "text": "saying Alex Jones is a fraud, but"}, {"end": "01:37:56", "start": "01:37:54", "text": ">> yeah, because he's been at it for a"}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:54", "text": "while. I've seen him like when he's"}, {"end": "01:37:59", "start": "01:37:56", "text": "younger, his voice is not the same at"}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "all, but he's like on the street talking"}, {"end": "01:38:03", "start": "01:37:59", "text": "stuff like that. But I mean, that would"}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "be a crazy thing."}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:38:03", "text": ">> On by the way,"}, {"end": "01:38:05", "start": "01:38:04", "text": ">> for sure."}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:04", "text": ">> I think it'd be really fun."}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:05", "text": ">> But I do like the theory that he is"}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "like, you know, just an agent."}, {"end": "01:38:11", "start": "01:38:09", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:09", "text": ">> cuz that would make so much sense. Think"}, {"end": "01:38:15", "start": "01:38:11", "text": "about all the distractions that he"}, {"end": "01:38:17", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "caused. like it would be very easy for"}, {"end": "01:38:18", "start": "01:38:15", "text": "him to go viral and be all over the news"}, {"end": "01:38:19", "start": "01:38:17", "text": "because he said something crazy where"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:18", "text": "it's like"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:19", "text": ">> what are we not paying attention to"}, {"end": "01:38:28", "start": "01:38:20", "text": ">> apparently William Cooper called him out"}, {"end": "01:38:30", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "especially after Y2K so on January 1st"}, {"end": "01:38:32", "start": "01:38:28", "text": "2000"}, {"end": "01:38:34", "start": "01:38:30", "text": ">> um Alex Jones went on the air and said"}, {"end": "01:38:37", "start": "01:38:32", "text": "I've just received word from people I"}, {"end": "01:38:39", "start": "01:38:34", "text": "know in the military Russia has launched"}, {"end": "01:38:39", "start": "01:38:37", "text": "nuclear missiles they're heading our way"}, {"end": "01:38:41", "start": "01:38:39", "text": ">> oh my gosh"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:39", "text": ">> basically we're all going to die"}, {"end": "01:38:43", "start": "01:38:41", "text": ">> you should go to jail if you say that"}, {"end": "01:38:45", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "that's like"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:43", "text": "William Cooper's like this guy's an"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:45", "text": "idiot."}, {"end": "01:38:49", "start": "01:38:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:38:50", "start": "01:38:46", "text": ">> He doesn't know anything."}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:49", "text": ">> Listen, I do believe in free speech. I"}, {"end": "01:38:53", "start": "01:38:50", "text": "don't think that anybody But it's like"}, {"end": "01:38:55", "start": "01:38:52", "text": "you can't say fire in a building."}, {"end": "01:38:57", "start": "01:38:53", "text": ">> You can't inside."}, {"end": "01:38:58", "start": "01:38:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Like that. Like or cause damage"}, {"end": "01:38:59", "start": "01:38:57", "text": "like that. That's crazy."}, {"end": "01:39:01", "start": "01:38:58", "text": ">> That's insane. I You know how many"}, {"end": "01:39:06", "start": "01:38:59", "text": "mothers were probably like tripping out"}, {"end": "01:39:09", "start": "01:39:01", "text": "like come on. Um I need a little hope."}, {"end": "01:39:09", "start": "01:39:06", "text": ">> Here's some hope. Oh wow. Here's some"}, {"end": "01:39:13", "start": "01:39:09", "text": "hope."}, {"end": "01:39:17", "start": "01:39:09", "text": ">> Hope dance. Cooper rhymes with hooper"}, {"end": "01:39:18", "start": "01:39:13", "text": "and that's your last name."}, {"end": "01:39:19", "start": "01:39:17", "text": ">> There's hope."}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:18", "text": ">> Thanks. That was really good. Thank you."}, {"end": "01:39:24", "start": "01:39:19", "text": ">> Some hope. Um, sorry. I don't got no"}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "hope today."}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:24", "text": ">> Jesus promises promises us to be with us"}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "to the very end of the age."}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:28", "text": ">> That's true."}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:28", "text": ">> And that's a promise. He's never going"}, {"end": "01:39:33", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "to leave us even though it feels like"}, {"end": "01:39:37", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "we're alone."}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:33", "text": ">> But God's silence does not mean God's"}, {"end": "01:39:40", "start": "01:39:37", "text": ">> lack of presence."}, {"end": "01:39:41", "start": "01:39:38", "text": ">> Nice. M"}, {"end": "01:39:42", "start": "01:39:40", "text": ">> yeah, Jesus is coming back. It's all"}, {"end": "01:39:44", "start": "01:39:41", "text": "going to be good."}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:42", "text": ">> Yeah, true that. Yeah, we've been"}, {"end": "01:39:51", "start": "01:39:44", "text": "talking a lot about uh how it says that"}, {"end": "01:39:53", "start": "01:39:49", "text": "like in the end of the days there will"}, {"end": "01:39:55", "start": "01:39:51", "text": "be no sea. They'll get rid of the sea."}, {"end": "01:39:56", "start": "01:39:53", "text": "There's no sea in heaven. And I'm like"}, {"end": "01:39:58", "start": "01:39:55", "text": "that stinks. I love the ocean, but"}, {"end": "01:39:59", "start": "01:39:56", "text": "there's a spring. The spring of life."}, {"end": "01:40:00", "start": "01:39:58", "text": "So, we've been telling Ayda that you"}, {"end": "01:40:02", "start": "01:39:59", "text": "could probably swim in it. You could"}, {"end": "01:40:03", "start": "01:40:00", "text": "breathe under water and stuff."}, {"end": "01:40:05", "start": "01:40:02", "text": ">> Hopefully."}, {"end": "01:40:07", "start": "01:40:03", "text": ">> Do you know Aya asked me the other day"}, {"end": "01:40:10", "start": "01:40:05", "text": "when I was driving her in my blue truck,"}, {"end": "01:40:13", "start": "01:40:07", "text": "the Ford? Mhm. And she said, \"Dad, uh,"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:10", "text": "who gave you this truck?\" And I said, \"I"}, {"end": "01:40:17", "start": "01:40:13", "text": "bought it.\" Uh, or no, no, this how it"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "went. She said, \"Dad, why is there no"}, {"end": "01:40:21", "start": "01:40:17", "text": "map in your truck?\" Like the display. I"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "said, \"Well, because it's an old truck.\""}, {"end": "01:40:24", "start": "01:40:21", "text": "And she's like, \"What do you mean it's"}, {"end": "01:40:26", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "an old truck?\" I said, \"It was actually"}, {"end": "01:40:28", "start": "01:40:24", "text": "built the same year I was born.\""}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:26", "text": ">> She's like, \"Who built it for you?\" I'm"}, {"end": "01:40:31", "start": "01:40:28", "text": "like, \"Well, I bought it.\" She's like,"}, {"end": "01:40:35", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "\"Yeah, but who built it?\" I said, \"A man"}, {"end": "01:40:37", "start": "01:40:31", "text": "named Henry Ford.\" And she said, \"Oh, I"}, {"end": "01:40:39", "start": "01:40:35", "text": "would love to meet Henry Ford.\""}, {"end": "01:40:41", "start": "01:40:37", "text": "I said, \"Well, he's probably in heaven"}, {"end": "01:40:43", "start": "01:40:39", "text": "right now.\" Or I said, \"He's in heaven"}, {"end": "01:40:44", "start": "01:40:41", "text": "right now.\" She said, \"Oh.\" And she had"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:43", "text": "this little apples to apples game with"}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:44", "text": "her. She said, \"Can I play apples to"}, {"end": "01:40:50", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "apples with Henry Ford in heaven?\" I"}, {"end": "01:40:51", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "said, \"Probably,"}, {"end": "01:40:52", "start": "01:40:50", "text": "probably."}, {"end": "01:40:54", "start": "01:40:51", "text": ">> Hope so. I don't know if there's going"}, {"end": "01:40:55", "start": "01:40:52", "text": "to be any apples in heaven, though, you"}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:54", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:55", "text": ">> just because it brings up a bad memories"}, {"end": "01:40:59", "start": "01:40:58", "text": "at the Garden of"}, {"end": "01:41:00", "start": "01:40:58", "text": ">> You didn't say it was apples.\""}, {"end": "01:41:01", "start": "01:40:59", "text": ">> I know."}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:41:00", "text": ">> We always assume apples."}, {"end": "01:41:03", "start": "01:41:01", "text": ">> A joke."}, {"end": "01:41:05", "start": "01:41:02", "text": ">> Probably some really good fruit, though."}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:03", "text": "She did ask me last night, which is a"}, {"end": "01:41:08", "start": "01:41:05", "text": "win. It shows me there's some real"}, {"end": "01:41:10", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "cognitive thinking going on. She said,"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:08", "text": "\"Why did God make butts?\""}, {"end": "01:41:13", "start": "01:41:10", "text": ">> Yeah, good question."}, {"end": "01:41:15", "start": "01:41:12", "text": ">> Which I've had this conversation with"}, {"end": "01:41:16", "start": "01:41:13", "text": "your own daughter when she was probably"}, {"end": "01:41:17", "start": "01:41:15", "text": "a little older than Ada."}, {"end": "01:41:18", "start": "01:41:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:17", "text": ">> And I was like, for"}, {"end": "01:41:21", "start": "01:41:18", "text": ">> because it was his duty."}, {"end": "01:41:23", "start": "01:41:20", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:21", "text": ">> Next question. Do angels poop?"}, {"end": "01:41:25", "start": "01:41:23", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "01:41:26", "start": "01:41:24", "text": ">> I mean, I hope so."}, {"end": "01:41:28", "start": "01:41:25", "text": ">> They eat."}, {"end": "01:41:29", "start": "01:41:26", "text": ">> I mean, it would be hilarious to see it"}, {"end": "01:41:29", "start": "01:41:28", "text": "happen."}, {"end": "01:41:30", "start": "01:41:29", "text": ">> But"}, {"end": "01:41:32", "start": "01:41:29", "text": ">> is there going to be like privacy in"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:30", "text": "heaven? Like like"}, {"end": "01:41:34", "start": "01:41:32", "text": ">> there's no shame in heaven."}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:33", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. So, are we just"}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:34", "text": "going to see angels just pooping out in"}, {"end": "01:41:37", "start": "01:41:36", "text": "the"}, {"end": "01:41:38", "start": "01:41:36", "text": ">> Do we even poop though?"}, {"end": "01:41:41", "start": "01:41:37", "text": ">> If they poop,"}, {"end": "01:41:44", "start": "01:41:38", "text": ">> I mean, why? How? Surely we would."}, {"end": "01:41:45", "start": "01:41:41", "text": ">> I wonder if we eat something cuz what is"}, {"end": "01:41:48", "start": "01:41:44", "text": "poop? It just gets rid of everything"}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:45", "text": "that waste, right? So, like, do we just"}, {"end": "01:41:51", "start": "01:41:48", "text": "eat exactly what our"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:50", "text": ">> dissolves in our body?"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:51", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:41:54", "start": "01:41:52", "text": ">> that'd be awesome."}, {"end": "01:41:55", "start": "01:41:52", "text": ">> And we absorb it. Yeah. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:41:57", "start": "01:41:54", "text": ">> the holster is going to be there"}, {"end": "01:41:58", "start": "01:41:55", "text": "probably, you know, the hulkster."}, {"end": "01:41:59", "start": "01:41:57", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "01:42:00", "start": "01:41:58", "text": ">> There are some people who probably do"}, {"end": "01:42:02", "start": "01:41:59", "text": "want to poop in heaven, but then people"}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:42:00", "text": "like my husband probably do not want to"}, {"end": "01:42:05", "start": "01:42:02", "text": "poop in heaven. So it might be a"}, {"end": "01:42:05", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "preference all my pooping on earth."}, {"end": "01:42:07", "start": "01:42:05", "text": ">> He's done."}, {"end": "01:42:08", "start": "01:42:05", "text": ">> They're like they're like name and you"}, {"end": "01:42:10", "start": "01:42:07", "text": "give me your name. You're like all right"}, {"end": "01:42:12", "start": "01:42:08", "text": "butthole or no butthole."}, {"end": "01:42:13", "start": "01:42:10", "text": ">> You can have the You have the choice."}, {"end": "01:42:14", "start": "01:42:12", "text": "Can I change my mind? You can change"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:13", "text": "your mind later."}, {"end": "01:42:17", "start": "01:42:14", "text": ">> Dude, I guarantee"}, {"end": "01:42:17", "start": "01:42:15", "text": ">> I'll I'll have one for now. I'll I'll do"}, {"end": "01:42:18", "start": "01:42:17", "text": "one now."}, {"end": "01:42:21", "start": "01:42:17", "text": ">> Can I"}, {"end": "01:42:23", "start": "01:42:18", "text": ">> If there's records in heaven like how"}, {"end": "01:42:25", "start": "01:42:21", "text": "many times someone has pooped in their"}, {"end": "01:42:27", "start": "01:42:23", "text": "life on earth, I bet you I'll be in the"}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:25", "text": "top 1%."}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:27", "text": ">> Leader board."}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "01:42:31", "start": "01:42:28", "text": ">> He's going to build you one just cuz you"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "know you want to see it."}, {"end": "01:42:34", "start": "01:42:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Speaking of pooping on in heaven"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "though, uh did you know that we have an"}, {"end": "01:42:40", "start": "01:42:34", "text": "episode right after this on Patreon and"}, {"end": "01:42:43", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "YouTube membership now? Wow."}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:40", "text": ">> Absolutely. Early access to episodes and"}, {"end": "01:42:47", "start": "01:42:43", "text": "extra episode discounts on merch. What"}, {"end": "01:42:48", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "more could you want?"}, {"end": "01:42:49", "start": "01:42:47", "text": ">> What more could you want?"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:48", "text": ">> Come on."}, {"end": "01:42:51", "start": "01:42:49", "text": ">> Maybe maybe some behind thescenes"}, {"end": "01:42:53", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "content."}, {"end": "01:42:55", "start": "01:42:51", "text": ">> Absolutely. 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[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Okay, so speaking of AI though, real"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "quick, one of those big AI names,"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "they're like, \"We need an exponential"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "amount of water. Britain is going to"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "have to donate like a certain"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "astronomical portion of their resources"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "to the global grid to get this fixed"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "up.\" We follow all this stuff. Did you"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "know there was like this crazy drought"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "in Uruguay? What happened was there was"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "like no water. People couldn't even turn"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "their taps on, so they were mixing in"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "toxic waste."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Oh, good."}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Water."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "And that's what these people are"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "drinking. Yet everybody's being asked to"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "donate all this water to AI power grids."}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "That's crazy."}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "It's literally the downfall. It's wild,"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "man."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "I think what they're doing is like the"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "way that they're like rationalizing it"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "in their heads is they're like, \"AI is"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "going to give us the answer about how we"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "can make water infinite for everyone.\""}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "They are fully dependent on that. They"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "really think that AI is going to be the"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "savior of so much."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "It just can't be. It just literally"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "can't be."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "Well, maybe it'll solve some things, but"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "then at the same time, they're going to"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "be killing us."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "It's literally the Peter Teal mindset."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Do you want the human race to survive?"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "And he's like, he's like, you're pausing"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "like transhumanism. I mean, there's a"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "lot to be discovered with that. Like,"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "wait, wait, what?"}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Do you know there's another Neuralink"}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "competitor in the United States? They"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "started before Elon Musk. They're called"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Synchron. And it is funded by"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. This brain"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "chip, you can text with it, use email,"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "shop online, scroll on social media, all"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "hands three, just through thought alone."}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": ">> Well, that's dangerous."}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": ">> And guess how it's put into you? An"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "injection through your jugular."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:23", "text": ">> They're not cutting your head open. It's"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "an injection."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": ">> Is there an actual like physical chip?"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "It's like microchips that like go into"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "your bloodstream that like live in your"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "brain. You're able to literally control"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "electric devices just by thought, an"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "injection. It's not like, \"Hey, do you"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "want to come in and get this brain chip?"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "We have to split your head open.\""}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": ">> It's like, \"Dude, they can sneak this in"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "through anything."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "A vac"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "and Amazon.\""}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": ">> That's such bad news."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": ">> And I've never heard of this company in"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "my life. This might be a stretch, but"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "you do think of like the mark of the"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "beast. It says free or slave, rich or"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "poor, you cannot buy or sell. You have"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "to have this mark in order to do this"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "mark the beast. And it said it'll be in"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "the right hand or the forehead. And I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "just thinking the forehead. Is it"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "referring to like it's going to be like"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "in your brain? To what world are we"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "living"}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Nobody knows about compartmentalizing"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "your brain, right? So everyone goes, so"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "if they fake the moon landing, you're"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "saying everyone is in on it. I go,"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "everyone in that room 100% in on it"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "because again, it goes in the data and"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "they know exactly who could keep a"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "secret and exactly if you pay them"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "enough money, you throw them enough"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "fund, they're just going to shut up and"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "run with it, right? They don't care."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "They don't care. So you want to see a"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "great example of this in real time. is"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "India landing on the moon. Have you seen"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "that video?"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> it is the most it's like Cuba and like"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "Atari graphic is landing on the moon and"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "everyone in that room is like yeah we"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "landed and it's so obvious that's not"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "what's happening there but everyone in"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "the room is in on it"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": ">> either they knowingly or unknowingly."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "They're totally in on it and they're all"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "captured and they're just playing their"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "role at that point."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": ">> So do you think no one even like"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "machine-wise has ever been to the moon?"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "Well, I'm I'm a firmament guy. So, like"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:01:00", "text": ">> flat earth"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": ">> like Well, I don't know if it's flat. I"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "I honestly believe it's some kind of"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "energy vortex."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:05", "text": ">> All right."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": ">> That and there's a there's a thing that"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "separates the waters from above from the"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "waters from below. And something's there"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "and I personally don't think we can get"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "out of it."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:16", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": ">> And that's why they're freaking out. And"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "that's what all this kind of uh"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "singularity is about. That's what all"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "this transhumanism about is like these"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "are fallen angel worshippers. They're"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "either fallen angels or the or what they"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "call the watchers who are the"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "worshippers of the fallen angels and"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "they are they want to get back upstairs."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:36", "text": ">> I see."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:37", "text": ">> And they can't do"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:38", "text": ">> like the Tower of Babel, right?"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": ">> That's what we're talking about."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": ">> Becoming like God."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Honda's not doing rockets, so I"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "mean it's got to be real."}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": ">> But they're all in on it. Like"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "oligarchies help oligarchies."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:52", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": ">> They all are into it because it's a use"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "of controlling the population."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": ">> You know, that's Ron Pone said the"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "oligarchies help oligarchies, man. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "they're all in on it. They all need to"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "control their population. They do it"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "through fear. Uh, you know, if there's"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "an aliens come down, they're so advanced"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "that we have to submit to them. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": ">> And when Ronald Reagan, which I'm not"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "gonna get into the specifics of it, but"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "if you want to watch a really insane"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "video on Ronald Reagan, it's it's a"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "great website. I believe his name's Andy"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "Hunt, and he has a website called"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "Control Alt History, and he breaks down"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "the scandal with um with uh Ronald"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "Reagan in the 1983. But, you know, he"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "talked about like we're going to need an"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "alley invasion to bring everybody"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "together. And then that gets into the"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "revelation of the method. They got to"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "tell you what they're doing because if"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "not, if they tell us what they're doing"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "and we don't stop them, that's on us,"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "not on them. It's like this weird karma"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "thing that they do."}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:54", "text": ">> Huh."}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:56", "text": ">> That was weird."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": ">> Lot of programming. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": ">> I think we've we've gotten stuff to the"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "moon personally."}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "the the firmament like talks about in"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "scripture is definitely I believed in"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "flat earth for about two weeks of my"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "entire life and I u asked some flat"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "earth dudes people that watch this they"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "know it already but it came down to like"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "what about in Antarctica where the sun's"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "up 247 and they're like well there's two"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "suns and I'm like okay well you lost me"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "there"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": ">> I don't know I've had people say there's"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "three suns so I don't know what it is I"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "think it's way more way beyond what"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "we're supposed to know. I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "it's flat."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": ">> I don't I you know, it's like that that"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "sun thing. They're like, \"Okay, that"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "disproves flat Earth.\" But there's so"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "much that disproves a ball."}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": ">> There's so much like these high-end"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "telescopes back in the day when they"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "were telling us about uh the Earth is"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "round. They didn't have these things."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "And you see these scopes go for hundreds"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "of miles and there should be a curve"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "there. So, I don't know what it is. I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "not And I'm not smart enough to tell you"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "what it is. I just know it's not what"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "they tell us because the people that are"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "telling us have been caught lying all"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "the time. So I don't know what it is."}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "And I I also believe it it probably will"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "if they came out right now and told you"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "what it was. I don't think anything"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "would change in your life."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": ">> The only thing I think is like the"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "people who believe in God would be like"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "told you."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": ">> That's it."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": ">> I think the Earth is hollow though."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": ">> But here's the last thing. So if you"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "study NASA's now said that the moon is"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "in our orbit. I saw that they had"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "changed that. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Right. So now it's in the orbit. So"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "maybe you don't even have to go past it"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "for a minute. The moon is interesting. I"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "I can't remember what he talked about in"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "the last time I was here, but I think"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "the game Pac-Man is about the moon."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:41", "text": ">> What do you mean?"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": ">> What?"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:43", "text": ">> That's a that's a good theory. I love"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": ">> I think it's about the moon. If you"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "study Pac-Man when he closes his mouth,"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "what does it look like? Exactly like the"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "moon. What does it do? It's there's a"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "there are old beliefs that the moon is a"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "a an energy eater, a soul eater, um um a"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "stargate into this realm. So if you"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "study it like you know uh what happens"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "you know and this is the whole thing"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "there's so much about what happens here"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "you know obviously there's a Christian"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "version of it there's other people that"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "believe that we're just in a soul cycle"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "right so and then the theory is is that"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "you know when you die you go into this"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "light and basically you see all your"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "dead relatives but they're really"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "archons trying to convince you to come"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "back into it because we're kind of"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "batteries for this reality Right."}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:30", "text": ">> So, if you study if you study"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Pac-Man, what does Pac-Man do? He he's"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "eating the all these these dots that"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "look like stars, right?"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Ess"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "He runs away from ghosts. But when he"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "eats that one dot, what does he do? He"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "eats the ghost. And what happened to the"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "ghost? They get reborn."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Interesting. I'm all in on this. This is"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "great. This is so funny. All all these"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "video games have very uh esoteric"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "meanings to it. I think Super Mario is"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "the is is basically man,"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": ">> like the study of man, like the journey"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "of man. Man's, you know, if you study"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "Donkey Kong, he shows up, his whole job"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "is like to keep his chick and get the"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "job done. So he he saves her. He does"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "the job. Now he gets a promotion. He's"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "outside, eats the mushrooms. Next thing"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "you know, he's in Super Mario Kart and"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "all things are possible."}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": ">> Praise be. That's crazy."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:25", "text": ">> I love that."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": ">> It's like the podcast version of a"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "sermon illustration"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:31", "text": ">> preach for sure."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:32", "text": ">> Yeah, I love it. That's amazing."}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": ">> I feel like I hijacked a show."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": ">> No, dude. I'm freaking in. I love it."}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "You're You're Uncle Sam loving this."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:40", "text": ">> I'm in, dude."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": ">> Ninjas are butterflies."}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": ">> Did I say ninja?"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": ">> I meant"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": ">> butterfly. The butterfly is no doubt one"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "of God's most"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": ">> empty your mind."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": ">> You were martial arts."}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "I want to hear about the Hopi prophecy."}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:01", "text": ">> There's a story that was passed down for"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "generations by the Hopi people. They"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "warned of a time when humans would"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "create a terrifying object so powerful"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "it could burn the earth, poison the"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "skies, and silence the land. And they"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "referred to that as a gourd of ashes,"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "which sounds a lot like the atomic bomb."}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "The way the prophecy goes, it starts out"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "at some point the earth there would be a"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "black ribbon built and that bugs would"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "be upon it. And then you begin to see"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "the bug moving on the land. This was the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "sign. They called it the first shaking"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "of the earth. It would be so violent"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "that the bug would be shaken off of the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "earth into the air and it would begin to"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "move and fly through the air and it"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "would cause disease. This predates the"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "gourd. Apparently in the 20s they saw"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "those planes and cars and they were like"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "okay this is something coming true"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "because we've seen the first two things"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "happen and the third this complete"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "destruction poisoning the waters"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "consuming the land. They believe that"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "the technological advancement without"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "spiritual wisdom would destroy the"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "earth. They warned that we are now"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "living in the fourth world is what they"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "call it. And when enough destruction and"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "imbalance occurs, the earth will shift"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "again into a fifth world, but only after"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "a massive upheaval and purification. And"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "this is terrifying. This is a quote from"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "the ' 40s after the bomb was dropped. He"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "said, \"Nature will speak with its own"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "voice. The time for warnings is over.\""}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "So gravy."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "So this is Army Secretary Dan Driscoll."}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "He says something that everyone's like,"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "\"Wait, what did you just say?\""}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": ">> As young Americans across the country"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "get to see all of the amazing things"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "that the Army has done, whether it's"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "helping with floods in North Carolina or"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "wildfires in California or we talked to"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "an astronaut yesterday who's on the moon"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "who's a soldier, including actually"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "going to war and fighting to defend the"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "freedoms that are u that make our nation"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "so great. That he just drops in. An"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "astronaut that's on the moon fighting"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "for our freedom."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": ">> That's what he said."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Hold on. He didn't like stammer. That"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "was like a prepared statement."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:37", "text": ">> On the moon."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:38", "text": ">> I mean, that's I know."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": ">> Fighting for our freedom."}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": ">> I know. He probably just misspoke."}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:42", "text": ">> How would you rephrase that to where it"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "made sense?"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": ">> I don't know. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": ">> what?"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": ">> What if he's like a ambassador? Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "Like an alien race up there."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": ">> That dude sounded like AI, though."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": ">> People said he looked like an alien."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": ">> Oh, that is weird. Yeah."}]

[{"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Now, more footage into third phase. Um,"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "let me tell you, the UK, it's lighting"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "up. Uh, this one has just come on to the"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "table right here at Third Phase. They"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "said, \"Take a look at this.\" So, we're"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "looking at it right now. Watching"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "steady."}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "All right, we're going to play that once"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "again. Malver"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "Hills, UK. We're looking at something"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "just shoots out of the sky."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "It's a little bit we're"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "want to watch that forward and"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "backwards. We just want to show you the"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "dynamics of this thing."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "Dang. Somebody"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "I don't know what it is. If that's an"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "arrow, somebody has a really strong arm"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "cuz it comes out of nowhere. This is"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "crazy stuff. Yeah. Look at that. It"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "looks like a javelin. Amazing. There's a"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "still right there. Okay, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "play it one more time. Just just to get"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "a better look at this thing. These"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "remind me of the flying rods."}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "Boom."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "Man, that thing was fast."}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "I don't see the origin of this. It seems"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "like it's flying up in the sky off from"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "a distance at a high rate of speed."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "Approaches the camera in really pretty"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "high definition. This was captured in"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "HD. It's super fast. But look at how far"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "off it comes from the distance and into"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "frame. Almost just basically appears."}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Look at that. This You can see it way"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "off at the distance."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "All right. Reverse forward."}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "Guys, is this some kind of biological"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "thing? Is it a biological UFO? Something"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "living?"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "See, I just don't understand where this"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "object came from. 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A man out with his best"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "friend up on the mountain side playing"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "Frisbee and then manages to capture"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "something that is unexplained."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "Incredible footage right here."}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "All right, more videos just in. Imagine"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "if you're a private jet owner, a pilot,"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "and you're being chased by the unknown."}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "Well, this video has just made the"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "internet. We're sharing it with you."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "Just came in moments ago. Watch this."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "Right, we're going to watch this once"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "again. It looks like a plane is actually"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "tracking a private jet airliner with"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "their camera. Not exactly sure if this"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "is like a drug cartel kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "surveillance, but what what's this"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "object"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "telling this private jet?"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "Wow, look at that. It just baked right"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "over the private jet there. Incredible"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "footage. If this is real, we're looking"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "at something, you know, otherworldly or"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "some sort of technology that we're not"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "familiar with. Again, this is incredible"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "stuff right here."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "It kind of reminds me of the video of"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "when we had this object kind of a"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "dancing around a Concord pro"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "approximately 15 years ago. It's a"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "classic. This one looks just like it."}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "I want to get some more information on"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "this. Like why is this private plane"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "being filmed in the first place? But it"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "looks like it's a sophisticated camera"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "with a tracking system to lock on to the"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "plane. I'm wondering when we put some"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "filters in it really everything seems to"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "match up."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "We need to get in touch with the pilot."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "I'm sure he noticed something. I don't"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "see him doing any evasive maneuvers"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "because of this interaction. But what"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "what's going on here"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "now? That's that's an insane maneuver to"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "I don't think it's any kind of drone"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "either. We're looking at something very"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "unusual."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Now, another sighting and this one"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "coming out of the UK"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "right in the heart of everything that"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "some people are stating that these"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "formation of lights once again is a UFO"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "that almost kind of forms a boomerang."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Watch this."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "All"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "right, let's uh play that once again."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Did you see the formation of lights?"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "It does this kind of formation of a"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "boomerang. It lasts for quite some time."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "What's going on over there in the UK?"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "Look at this."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "It seems that it flies in the direct"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "direction of the person filming it. I"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "would have liked to see it go overhead,"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "but what what we're seeing here is a"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "interesting display of lights."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Yeah, like look at that. As it"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "approaches, it creates this kind of"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "vector shaped uh craft in in the sky."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Again, we're looking at uh the lights"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "right there, and they seem to organize"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "into this kind of a one-piece uh craft"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "if that's what we're looking at. This is"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "an incredible display right here."}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Len Cashire UK. We we get a lot of UFO"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "sightings from this exact region. Is I I"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "got a feeling this is probably more"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "military if anything. But again, this"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "boomerang shape, is it one craft or is"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "it a bunch of drones or is this"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "something other worldly? I like this the"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "very beginning here."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "Then it starts to"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "take formation."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "I guess it lasted for a while. There's a"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "little cut on the video."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "When people say they see a boomerang"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "shaped craft in the sky, this resembles"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "it perfectly."}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "[Music]"}]

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They start to lose formation."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "We're going to repeat it once again, but"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "now the entire 6minute video that I've"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "sped up approximately 900%. So, we're"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "watching right here in this sequence."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Let me just repeat it one more time."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "This is the entire 6-minute video"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "scrunched down to about 15 seconds. Look"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "at this."}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "At the end of this episode, we're going"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "to we're going to play the entire six"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "minute sequence and you'll see that"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "these things remain stationary and they"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "just do a little bit of maneuver right"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "there. Yeah. Like this is pretty"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "incredible. We're looking at the display"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "of the phenomenon again. Three lights"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "right there and then uh then they bank"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "to the right. Very interesting."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "Are these UFOs coming out of the water?"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "Some people were claiming that's what"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "happened in this case. Now, more videos"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "just in. We shared this yesterday. This"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "crop circle."}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "I don't know. The internet's breaking up"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "because of this video. Now, we have more"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "angles apparently"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "at the same location of these orbs"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "dancing around creating a crop circle"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "right there. Look at this."}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "Now from the dash cam, more angles of"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "the same event."}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "All right, once again, uh the new"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "footage just sent to Third Phase Moon"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "with regards to the video that's"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "breaking the internet. Is this AI? Is"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "this too good to be true?"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "That's pretty cool. We got the, you"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "know, the third angle here with the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "driver on the side of the road filming"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "the the display right now. The again,"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "some of this looks possibly AI made, but"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "that one in the car, you know, that's"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "looking pretty legit. Again, this one,"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "uh, I'm still on the fence, and"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "everybody's has their own opinion, and"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "that's what it's all about. But look at"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "these dancing orbs over the crops over"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "And you see the crop circle take"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "formation. And again, the dash cam"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "video. It It's looking pretty legit"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "All right. Look at how the crop they"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "dance around. It looks pretty organic."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "There are fluctuations and then this"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "ring appears."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "Something's going on over in this uh"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "this farm. I'm sure there might be even"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "more videos that come forth. I wanted to"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "see some followup at the location in the"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "daytime. I think that would be awesome."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "and we'll let you know if we get more"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "updates with regards to this. Now,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "another sighting and this one coming out"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "of the UK"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "right in the heart of everything that"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "some people are stating that these"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "formation of lights once again is a UFO"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "that almost kind of forms a boomerang."}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "Watch this, Len."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "All"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "right. Let's uh play that once again."}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "Did you see the formation of lights?"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "It does this kind of formation of a"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "boomerang. It lasts for quite some time."}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "What's going on over there in the UK?"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "Look at this."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "It seems that it flies in the direct"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "direction of the person filming it. I"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "would have liked to see it go overhead,"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "but what what we're seeing here is a"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "interesting display of lights."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "Yeah. Like look at that. As it"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "approaches, it creates this kind of"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "vector shaped uh craft in in the sky."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "Again, we're looking at uh the lights"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "right there, and they seem to organize"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "into this kind of a one-piece uh craft."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "That's what we're looking at. This is an"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "incredible display right here."}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "Lanc Cashire, UK. We We get a lot of UFO"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "sightings from this exact region. Is I I"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "got a feeling this is probably more"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "military if anything. But again, this"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "boomerang shape, is it one craft or is"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "it a bunch of drones or is this"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "something otherworldly? I like this the"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "the very beginning here."}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "Then it starts to"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "take formation."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "I guess it lasted for a while. There's a"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "little cut on the video."}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "When people say they see a boomerang"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "shaped craft in the sky, this resembles"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "it perfectly."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "All right, more videos just in. Imagine"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "if you're a private jet owner, a pilot,"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "and you're being chased by the unknown."}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "Well, this video has just made the"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "internet. We're sharing it with you."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "Just came in moments ago. Watch this."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Right, we're going to watch this once"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "again. It looks like a plane is actually"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "tracking a private jet airliner with"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "their camera. Not exactly sure if this"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "is like a drug cartel kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "surveillance, but what what's this"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "object"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "telling this private jet?"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "Wow, look at that. It just baked right"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "over the private jet there. Incredible"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "footage. If this is real, we're looking"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "at something, you know, otherworldly or"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "some sort of technology that we're not"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "familiar with. Again, this is incredible"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "stuff right here."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "It kind of reminds me of the video of"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "when we had this object kind of a"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "dancing around a Concord pro"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "approximately 15 years ago. It's a"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "classic. This one looks just like it."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "I want to get some more information on"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "this. Like why is this private plane"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "being filmed in the first place? But it"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "looks like it's a sophisticated camera"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "with a tracking system to lock on to the"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "plane. I'm wondering when we put some"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "filters in it really everything seems to"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "match up."}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "We need to get in touch with the pilot."}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "I'm sure he noticed something. But I"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "don't see him doing any evasive"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "maneuvers because of this interaction."}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "But what what's going on here"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "now? That's that's an insane maneuver to"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "I don't think it's any kind of drone"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "either. We're looking at something very"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "unusual."}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "Now, more footage into third phase. Um,"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "let me tell you, the UK, it's lighting"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "up. Uh, this one has just come on to the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "table right here at Third Phase. They"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "said, \"Take a look at this.\" So, we're"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "looking at it right now. Watch"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "crazy."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "All right, we're going to play that once"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "again. Malver Hills, UK. We're looking"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "at something just shoots out of the sky."}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "It's a little bit we're"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "want to watch that forward and"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "backwards. We just want to show you the"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "dynamics of this thing."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "Dang. Somebody"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "I don't know what it is. If that's an"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "arrow, somebody has a really strong arm"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "cuz it comes out of nowhere. This is"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "crazy stuff. Yeah. Look at that. It"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "looks like a javelin. Amazing. There's a"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "steel right there. Okay, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "play it one more time. Just just to get"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "a better look at this thing. These"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "remind me of the flying rods."}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "Boom."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "Man, that thing was fast."}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "I don't see the origin of this. It seems"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "like it's flying up in the sky off from"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "a distance at a high rate of speed."}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "Approaches the camera in really pretty"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "high definition. And this was captured"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "in HD. It's super fast. But look at how"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "far off it comes from the distance and"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "into frame. Almost just basically"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "appears. Look at that. This you can see"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "it way off at the distance."}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "All right. Reverse forward."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Guys, is this some kind of biological"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "thing? Is it a biological UFO? Something"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "living?"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "See, I just don't understand where this"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "object came from. Unless it's coming"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "from the sky, moving at a high rate of"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "speed. This is definitely a great UFO"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "capture. It's making the rounds right"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "now."}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "Yeah, look at the angle of the thing."}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "It's not going, you know, directly"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "forward. It has this kind of slanted"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "angle to it, which is interesting. But I"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "do think that we're looking at something"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "that's traveling at immense speeds here."}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "What a catch. A man out with his best"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "friend up on the mountain side playing"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "Frisbee and then manages to capture"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "something that is unexplained."}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "Incredible footage right here."}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "Now, let's go to Africa."}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "The Arrow DoD releases two new"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "unresolved videos of spherical UAPs. The"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "UFO report came out of Africa in 2022."}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "Let's just watch uh what the first video"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "has just dropped moments ago from Arrow."}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "I guess uh some of the rectangular"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "blacked out spot is kind of classified"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "information."}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "So, they're"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "they're redacting some of the video"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "data, but we're getting some videos"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "coming in. And I guess there's a couple"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "parts. There's one. Apparently, there's"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "three shots in this like 4-minute video."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "What? All right. Look at this."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "I don't know. Something quick. Who knows"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "what it could have been. Here is the"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "second video. It runs approximately 3"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "minutes or so. We're just going to let"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "it play through the entire sequence."}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "Apparently, there's three"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "three parts of the video that we should"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "look out for."}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "Africa 2022. The DoD has just released"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "this footage to the public. Apparently,"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "unresolved UAP UFO evidence."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "All right. So, I'm not see Oh, here here"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "comes something right there."}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "Came from the bottom portion of the"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "screen making its way to the top. Let's"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "play that portion. There it is. Let's"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "get a closeup. Repeat what we just saw."}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "I guess this is the second part of the"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "video that they deemed the a UAP. Here"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "we go again."}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "Bottom portion of the screen making its"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "way to the top. I'm not sure the why"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "this is if this is military, if they're"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "out there hunting for UFOs, but take a"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "look at that. Almost has a triangular"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "shaped kind of craft. It looks like a"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "triangular shaped craft for a second."}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "Let's just let it roll again. Here's"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "another portion."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "Kind of two backto back"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "sidings. You could almost see a shadow"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "being projected onto the clouds here."}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "Let's watch that one more time."}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "Do you see that shadow right there to"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "the left of the object? One more time."}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "Watch. Right there. Whatever this thing"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "it looks, it's pretty big. Let's uh"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "let's keep rolling on this footage."}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "Apparently, there's a few more objects"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "that come into frame. Released moments"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "ago from the DoD Arrow Office."}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "Africa 2020"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "22."}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "All right. There's another UAP, as they"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "like to call it. We like to call them"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "UFOs, but what was that? You see it?"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "Let's repeat it one more time"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "from the right. It shoots. Let's see."}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "There it is. I don't know. Some of the"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "footage I don't I think the public has"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "got the DoD beat. Th this is okay"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "footage, but comparatively to what we"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "just showed moments ago, I don't know."}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "The public's is where you're going to"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "get disclosure and the best videos."}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "Yeah, like we're looking at objects."}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "That's for sure. But they're unknown. I"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "believe they're there, but they're very,"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "you know, kind of mundane in my in my"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "own opinion. I bet Arrow the DoD, they"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "got they got the smoking gun. They're"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "just not dropping it. That's right,"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "Brent. Now, let's go back to Naples,"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "Florida. I said we had the 6minute"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "video. Let's just run it raw from the"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "very beginning. Just watch these lights"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "and how stationary they they remain."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "Here it is. Look at that, dude. Holy"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] a. That's [\u00a0__\u00a0] incredible."}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "You can look through them."}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "In the water, right?"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "What the"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "amas?"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "Hello."}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Good morning."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "That's crazy."}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "But there's two more."}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "Dude, this is [\u00a0__\u00a0] crazy."}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "I know. I seen it,"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "bro. It's two together."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "There's two together. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "they're flashing. That's"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "That's incredible."}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "All right, so we got you."}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "There's actually like 30 of them,"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "though. There's one there. There's one"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "there. There's one there. I can see them"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "in my camera that I don't think."}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "Nice."}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "Oh, you want to you want to you can um"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] What the [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "Yeah, then you can get the video and"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "watch on your phone and download it if"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "you want."}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "Or I can just send you this [\u00a0__\u00a0] if you"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "want."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "That's cool."}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "Oh, you got a YouTube channel?"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "What's yours?"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "UFO."}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "Yo, look. That thing is lit the whole"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] sky up right there."}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "UFOs."}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "I want to go see."}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "Oh, there's three of them now."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Maybe they're just airplanes."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "Maybe they are UFOs."}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "Yeah, there's definitely no space."}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "And there's one over there."}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "Oh, look. It's right there."}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "dude. That's incredible, dude. Holy"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "Telling you, they look right here. Look"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "at here. Right there."}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "You see here it"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "look Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] What is that?"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "What is that?"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "Oh, that might be that's a can."}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "It's a floating lantern."}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "Oh, that's a lantern. But those are not"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "lanterns."}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "They were releasing them. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "that's probably"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "Isn't that kind of ironic?"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "H,"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "this is"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "Look at that."}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "This is incredible, dude. This is the"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "best one I've ever gotten."}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "No, look at that over there."}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "Bro,"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "that thing"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "that thing over there that's old. That's"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "not a"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "That is a plane."}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "No, it's not."}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "That thing right there."}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "Do that."}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "Don't do that."}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "It's going to fly over."}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "I mean, if they can find them, we may"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "have"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "those"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "let's watch those."}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "I don't think that's a plane. Look how"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "it's going like down."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "Oh, I think it's just going the other"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "way."}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "Those"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "are really cool though. If you want to"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "look for my camera, you can right here."}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "This one right here."}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "Oh, [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "That fish just Jesus Christ."}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "Oh."}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "I know. I just heard that."}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "Let me see your"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "What? Bella."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "Hurry up."}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "Oh god."}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "Oh god."}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "Dang."}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "What' she say?"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "She said what?"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "Should I read it?"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "It's me,"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "bro."}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "I don't know. It's just a paper."}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "What is it?"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "Your laptop and Burger King fries says"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "me equals flow job."}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "Bro,"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "these aren't moving."}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "Like they're getting bigger."}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "They're getting farther apart."}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "Don't put your face on them. I'm"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "not. Damn."}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "Cuz remember when we got there they were"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "like close together, right?"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "But it's only been recording for like 8"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "minutes"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "or 10 minutes, 9 minutes."}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "Hell no."}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "Imagine"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "should take me"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "I don't know."}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "Universe."}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "I don't know where."}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "Yeah, they're they're moving a lot."}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "And those aren't Chinese lanterns. Those"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "are Chinese lanterns."}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "You know, they burn out really quickly."}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "I mean, not really quick, but you know,"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "within a reasonable amount of time. That"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "was a really weird uh engine sound from"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "the sky there for a second. What was"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "that?"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "Probably an actual"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "A little knowledge is a very dangerous"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "thing."}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "I know for a fact you can look in their"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "eyes and tell when somebody wants to"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "kill you that they had that fa that"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "stone cold face that appearance."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "I could feel the vibrations coming off"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "of it, but there was no sound."}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "They're going to keep playing that hand"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "and I think the general public is going"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "to see through it."}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "Everything's active unbeknownst to most"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "of the people on this planet."}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "They need to hand over the reigns"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "because it's not theirs. is the property"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "of the United States military and"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "Give us what you got. Give us this"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "information. Let us make our own"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "decision."}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "At a certain point, you have to call"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "their bluff."}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "I don't see."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Behind the clouds."}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:11", "text": ">> Must be the Whoa. What was that? Did you"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "see that?"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:14", "text": ">> Yes. The red."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": ">> What is that?"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": ">> It just flew over."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": ">> That was wonderful. Did you get that?"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Please tell me."}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:22", "text": ">> There was something that flew over top"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "of us just now."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": ">> I got it on video. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": ">> Oh god. I saw it"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:29", "text": ">> with your naked eye."}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:30", "text": ">> A red. Yes."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": ">> Naked eye. Yes. From him from where I"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "was."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:35", "text": ">> It looked like it flew right over our"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "heads going that way."}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": ">> Oh, was that what"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": ">> I think? I don't It happened so quick."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": ">> That was incredible. Whatever that was."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Was it red to you?"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. I thought that."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Wow. All right. Let's roll this once"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "again. A tic tac illuminated object."}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "Bam. There it is."}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "insane speeds. This is in this footage"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "coming from a C5 contact. Everybody was"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "out there with their eyes on the skies"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "and they managed to capture something"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "quite incredible. You could hear them"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "say, \"Did I hope you got that on camera"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "and the person says, \"I got it.\" And"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "after they reviewed it, they just can't"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "believe what the heck they're looking"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "at. There it is. We're going to slow it"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "down. Look at this thing."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "Look at the speed. It just took off and"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "disappeared. Look at that."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Again, these guys are trying to summon"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "UFOs using sonics or C5 and they capture"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "something incredible. Look, you see the"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "guy looking up and boom. This isn't no"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "lens refraction. We're looking at"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "something incredible. This is a"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "phenomenon right here."}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "I just really can't get over the speed"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "of this object."}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Let's roll it one more time here."}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "There we go. Look, it just comes in and"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "it almost seems that it jumps"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "approximately 10 miles in a second out"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "of sight above and beyond the horizon"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "Look at that."}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "You know, people want to see UFOs. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "all you got to do is look up in the"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "skies. And what these guys are doing,"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "they're practicing communication with"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "the with the phenomenon. And that's what"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "we're going to be doing right here in"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Los Angeles, Long Beach, possibly in 45"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "days. We just want to get the word out"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "that we're going to be calling the"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "summoners. And Third Phase is going to"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "be on location inviting the public for"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "free to watch and maybe learn and maybe"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "see something incredible as people want"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "to communicate with the phenomenon."}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "Again, we don't know exactly what we're"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "communicating with, but if you look at"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "this video, it seems almost intelligent"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "right there. Insane closeup of this"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "plasmic light, an array of the unknown"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "that we just can't explain."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "You've got the cousin brothers Blake and"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "Brent, and we're looking at something"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "incredible in this episode. We've got a"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "lot of UFO videos just in. A crop circle"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "forms right before our eyes with no"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "explanation. Look at this."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "At first, I thought we're looking at AI,"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "but after closer inspection, we deem"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "what we're looking at legitimate. In our"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "opinion, this is insane footage."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "Look at this multi-layering effect as"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "the crops basically disintegrate in a"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "perfect circle."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Let's get a closeup here."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Look at that thing. It It definitely"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "starts from the middle and works its way"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "out in a perfect circumference. Is this"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "how these natural crop circles are they?"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "Is this how they're made?"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "It almost seems like somebody tossed a"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "pebble or a rock into a pond and then"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "you get these centrifugal rings that go"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "through the ripples through the water in"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "a perfect circle. And this what it look"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "is this what it looks like when"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "something out of the sky falls and"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "ripples the corn field into this perfect"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "crop circle. This is insane footage."}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Give us a big thumbs up, guys. What do"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "you think's going on here?"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "Was it an impact from outer space"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "causing this?"}]

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Moody's analytics"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "this week downgraded their forecast,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "saying the United States is heading for"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "a recession. Now, you might laugh at"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "that, but President Trump is taking it"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "seriously. He knows this. He's fully"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "aware of this. That's why he's taking"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "drastic action right now. Not trying to"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "scare all of us, but taking action in"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "ways that will change America forever."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "And hey, and hey, the Fed might be ready"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "to slash interest rates in September"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "that we just found out. You know why"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "they do that, right? Because there is"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "trouble on the horizon. Of course, the"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Fed is the largest criminal cabal in the"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "United States. We don't need to go down"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "that road at the minute. And the Fed."}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "But anyway, something overnight just"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "happened. Something massive. America's"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "national debt officially crossed the $"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "37 trillion mark. This puts US total"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "debt up $780 billion since that debt"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "ceiling was raised just a few weeks ago,"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "right before the July 4th holiday. And"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "that means we're adding $22 billion per"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "day to our national debt. People laughed"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "at Thomas Massie. You know, the 1980s,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "my mom used to yell at me about standing"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "there with the refrigerator door open"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "for too long because it would waste"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "electricity. My mom should go yell at"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "these people. $22 billion a day. Are"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "they insane? Now, I've spoken to White"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "House insiders who've told me personally"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "that Trump knows we are in big trouble,"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "but he doesn't really want to scare us,"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "right? He's a president of the United"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "States after all. Trump knows the next"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "great conflict isn't tanks and dog"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "fights. It's supply chains. It's"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "permits. It's who controls the stuff"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "that every missile, every jet engine,"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "every chip fab, every power system is"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "built upon. And the only way America"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "digs itself out from this mess right now"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "is to become a powerhouse once again"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "here at home in manufacturing and mining"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "or we will become a vassel of China. And"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "many people believe in many ways we"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "already are. And by the way, China knows"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "it. And for years, they've been winning"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "that quiet war without firing a shot. I"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "spoke with an intelligence source this"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "week, and oh my, I'm going to just tell"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "you, he said, Clayton, Americans have no"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "idea how badly China has out"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "outmaneuvered us. And we'd be stunned to"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "learn the level of infiltration by the"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "Chinese inside of our own borders. It's"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "bone chilling. I mean, remember when 60"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "Minutes did the whole expose about all"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "of these military-aged Chinese men"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "coming across the border into the United"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "States? Yeah, people were kind of quiet"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "about that. That's just one piece of it."}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "I mean, we've all read the reports about"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "how China has spy equipment or kill"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "switches built into electronics and"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "solar panels that are sold here in the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "United States, but it's actually much"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "worse than that. The truth is, China's"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "Communist Party has been quietly,"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "systematically outmaneuvering the United"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "States for over two decades while we've"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "been asleep at the wheel, while liberals"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "have been outsourcing everything that"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "made America great. And now the"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "consequences are here. So, I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "drop some bombshells on you right now"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "that should make every American sort of"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "sit up straight with a steely spine. So,"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "China refineses over 90% of the world's"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "tungsten, roughly 85% of the magnesium,"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "around 70% of graphite, and they"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "dominate processing for rare earths go"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "into everything from guidance systems to"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "EVs to micro electronics, everything the"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "United States relies on."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "In particular, the Chinese are clamping"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "down and stopping the exports or at"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "least really slowing down the exports of"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "materials needed for the defense"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "companies, the defense sector. So, the"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "next phase of the Xihinping Trump"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "conflict isn't fought with bullets. I"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "know everyone wants to focus on Taiwan."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "That won't be the story. The real story"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "are the supply chains, the trade routes,"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "the massive shipping ports that are all"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "controlled by China, all of the copper,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "all of the tungsten, all of the rare"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "earth minerals, all of the graphite. So,"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "we're in the final stages right now, and"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "it's coming home to roost on American"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "soil, which is why I'm showing you this"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "information right now. So, we're talking"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "about Beijing's mineral war, and it may"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "be the most powerful weapon in its"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "arsenal. Stop sending America your rare"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "earth minerals as a response to"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "President Trump's tariff play. Now, no"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "other president has been able to call it"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "out thus far what Beijing is doing. Not"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Bush, certainly not Obama, certainly not"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Biden, who was receiving millions of"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "dollars from the Chinese Communist"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "Party. But Trump is on it. And and I get"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "it. He's not trying to scare Americans"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "because it's bad. I mean, really bad."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "America has been outsourcing all of our"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "mining. All of it. That's not a"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "marketplace. That's the leverage that"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "China has right now. I mean, the"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "Clintons sold off our uranium to Russia."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Now, add this. As of today, here, early"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "August 2025, today on this Sunday,"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "August 10th, there are zero active"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "tungsten mines operating on US soil."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "Zero. which means we import 100% of it."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "About 37% of it comes from China. So if"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "Beijing squeezes, projects stall, prices"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "spike. That's how you win a war without"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "firing a single shot. Choke off the"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "United States."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Thousands of weapon parts in US weapon"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "systems rely on minerals controlled by"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "China. Could this put US defense"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "readiness at risk?"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "All of the rare earth minerals that the"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "Biden administration, the Obama"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "administration stopped mining. So"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Beijing isn't hiding it. They've"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "actually tightened export rules on rare"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "earths. And this year, they've expanded"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "control and tracking over domestic"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "tungsten trade sold as security designed"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "for strategic stockpiles and bargaining"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "power. So, what are we doing about it?"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "What is Trump doing about it? Is he"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "sitting there doing the same thing as"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Biden and Obama? Nothing. Absolutely"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "not. Thankfully. I mean, you can"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "criticize Trump on a range of things,"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "and I do here on this show regularly,"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "but on this, this is where things get"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "hopeful. President Trump has made"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "mineral independence a national"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "priority. In March of 2025, he invoked"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "the Defense Production Act to accelerate"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "US mining and processing. The message is"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "simple. Process here or lose access to"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "America's golden age. I mean, that's the"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "kind of blunt force policy that you use"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "in economic warfare. and we are in an"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "economic warfare like never before. So"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "Trump Trump's message was clear to"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "American businesses. Invest here on US"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "soil, buy minerals from US miners, and"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "you won't get slapped with huge tariffs."}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "Now, many liberal pundits said that this"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "wouldn't work, that this was a terrible"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "idea, that liberal companies like Apple"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "wouldn't bend the knee. I mean, Apple,"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "for crying out loud, is the company that"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "still says we're going to go along with"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "the DEI practices. Apple's board is"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "recommending investors reject a proposal"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "to seize DEI efforts at the company."}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "They sell LGBTQ plus watch bands for"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "their Apple Watches. I This is a very"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "liberal company by all accounts, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Apple wouldn't bend the knee. Of course,"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "they wouldn't. But oh boy, were they"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "wrong. Just look at Apple this week. You"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "have Apple CEO Tim Cook announcing that"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "Apple will not only buy Americanmade and"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "mine rare earth minerals, but they're"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "also going to open multiple new"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "factories all across the United States."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "Watch. We're committed to buying"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Americanmade advanced rare earth magnets"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "developed by MP Materials, which will"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "become part of Apple's devices shipped"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "around the world. MP is the only fully"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "integrated rare earth producer in the"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "United States. And with this"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "partnership, they'll be significantly"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "expanding their flagship facility in"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "Fort Worth, Texas. Every single new"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "iPhone and every single new Apple Watch"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "sold anywhere in the world will contain"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "cover glass made in Kentucky."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "Now, companies follow Apple's lead on a"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "regular basis. from HP to Sony, all"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "sorts of companies follow Apple's lead"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "across the industry. They do. Not only"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "that, they copy their products a lot of"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "times as well. So, this is going to"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "reverberate all across the United"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "States. And Trump knows the importance"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "of getting these American mines back"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "online. Tesla, for instance, buying"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "American minerals now and investing in"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "American mining, particularly silver and"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "other precious rare earths. Apple buying"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "American minerals. We now have a few of"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "these mines that are active and a few"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "that are up and running. They are being"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "rewarded by companies like Apple, Tesla,"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "Ford, Chevy. Trump is encouraging"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "American companies to buy American"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "minerals, not from China or Russia, but"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "right here at home. But let's be real,"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "critical minerals aren't just"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "commodities anymore. They're battlefield"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "assets. So, whoever controls these"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "inputs controls the outcomes. And"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "tungsten, that's the keystone. It's the"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "highest melting point of any metal. Off"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "thecharts hardness. You want"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "armor-piercing munitions, turbine"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "blades, aerospace components. We're"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "expanding now to building nuclear"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "reactors on the moon, as was announced"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "last week. Right now, the scoreboard"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "says China won, America zero. China"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "controls almost all of it. But that's"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "why this moment matters, because Trump"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "is flipping the board over when Biden"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "didn't give a rat's ass about America"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "watching America fail. So critical"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "minerals in my opinion are the oil of"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "the 21st century. Unless America regains"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "control over its own reserves, it will"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "remain vulnerable to Beijing's silent"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "blockade. Now, Trump's doctrine is"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "clear. Treat mineral independence like a"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "wartime priority because China already"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "does. So, let me show you the play that"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "I'm watching right now. So, that's the"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "news update part of today's video. Now,"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "I want to tell you about today's"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "sponsor, which is tied directly to"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Trump's move here on bringing American"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "mining back to America. That company is"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "American Tungsten Corporation. Here is"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "their ticker on your screen. It trades"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "on major brokers like Interactive"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "Brokers, Charles Schwab. To me, this is"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "the only one company that checks all of"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "the boxes when it comes to tungsten. The"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "most important of which is that they"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "have the best chance according to"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "publicly available information of being"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "the first in America to bring tungsten"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "production back to the United States."}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "The first. Yeah, I'm talking first mover"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "advantage here with Trump's new minerals"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "push. Now, I have thoroughly studied"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "this company and here's what I want to"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "report back to you this year. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "hard for me not to get excited about"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "this one, guys. I've been looking at it"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "for quite a while. The US hasn't mined"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "tungsten commercially since 2015,"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "relying heavily on imports, 37% of which"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "comes from China alone in the latest"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "data that we have. So this is a slap in"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "the face of the Trump administration."}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "Tungsten is indispensable. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "particularly critical for military uses."}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "And with that, there are currently zero"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "active tungsten mines on US soil. Zero."}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Just let that sink in. So if the CEO of"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "American Tungsten, Alihaji, can execute"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "on his business plan, American Tungsten"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "could be the first and only tungsten"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "miner in America that we know of within"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "the next 2 years. I mean, that's a"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "trophy asset right there. Now, the"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "reason I see this as having a first"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "mover advantage is because much of the"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "leg work is already in motion. American"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "Tungsten owns an option for 100% of the"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "IMAP producing tungsten mine in Idaho,"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "right on American soil. Now, for a time,"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "that mine was the fourth largest"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "tungsten mine in the United States when"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "one of its previous owners operated."}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "That's a fact. CEO Ali Honi has come up"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "with a business plan that aims to put it"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "back into production in the next 12 to"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "18 months."}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "Uh the requirement of tungsten and its"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "production to be brought online"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "domestically is of paramount importance"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "to the administration. So, we acquired"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "or optioned the mine in 2024."}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "Having since done that, we have done a"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "number of things including"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "rehabilitation work which is now"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "commencing. We're also looking at"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "permitting and the goal is to bring"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "production online in the next 18 months"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "to be the fastest uh tungsten producer"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "in North America, well ahead of any"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "current peer in the marketplace. So,"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "American Tungsten is my number one and"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "my only tungsten opportunity that I'm"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "featuring for you on this show for this"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "very reason. Full stop. And here's the"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "icing on the cake. American tungsten is"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "already in talks with the Trump"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "administration and with state level"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "officials. Yes, you heard me right."}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "They're in talks with the Trump"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "administration right now. So, the plan"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "is to raise $20 million and then if all"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "goes according to the outline to mine up"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "to 900 tons per day of ore, which is"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "equal to about 8% of America's tungsten"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "needs right now. No more China in this"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "equation. That's precisely the kind of"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "business that I like profiling for you."}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "Tungsten is the second hardest element"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "in nature. Only diamonds are harder."}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "That's why their business plan is"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "potentially to put the IMA mine back"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "into production after nearly five"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "decades. This is historic. So from my"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "side of things, the fact that there are"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "zero active operational tungsten mines"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "on US soil and that the IMA mine has the"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "best shot at becoming the first one is"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "extremely compelling from an investing"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "perspective. You guys know that these"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "are the types of companies I love"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "investing in. And you also know that I"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "like investing in the executive teams of"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "certain companies that know what they're"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "doing. I like to know that there's a"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "good team behind these projects. and the"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "CEO Alihaji has made me very happy with"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "the caliber of people that he's"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "assembled to start mining on US soil. He"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "brought in geologist a Austin Zinszer"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "because of his extensive background in"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "managing tungsten projects. He also"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "brought on James Whitaker to join the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "board. He came from a $6 billion company"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "where he had a very secure job, a juicy"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "paycheck. He didn't have to leave that"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "job, but he did. The second board member"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "that joined is really a master stroke in"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "my view. His name is Dan Nicholas. If"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "you don't know his bio, his bio includes"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "this key component. He was responsible"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "for the $40 billion investment portfolio"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "of the United States Department of"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "Energy's loan program office, including"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "both both the advanced technology"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "vehicles manufacturing loan program and"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "the Title 17 program. So, he is a"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "Department of Energy insider. He was"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "brought on to help secure government"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "funding."}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "So, guys, do your own due diligence on"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "American Tungsten Corporation. I'll have"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "links to their website, their"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "information in the description below."}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "And this is a major moment in the United"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "States history, I believe, right now."}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "Either we bring in a golden age of"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "America truly and bring mining back to"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "American soil or we flat out fail and we"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "completely bend the knee to China. And I"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "don't believe President Trump is going"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "to allow that to happen. That's my"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "belief. Let me know in the comments"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "below. And don't forget to check out the"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "description. And I'll have links to"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "their website and everything else there"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "for you to do your own research on this."}]

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Uh she had worked with"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "American scientists many times in her"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "career. She married a scientist who had"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Pentagon contracts. Uh, that's weird."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "Later, she accused him of being a"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "Chinese spy. Does the Pentagon employ"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "Chinese spies for verology research? I"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "wonder. Uh, so Dan, welcome back to"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "Redacted. And maybe you can tell us how"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "you found the story and why it matters."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "Yeah, good to be with you. Um, I have to"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "give credit to my co-author on this"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "story, a uh a man named Mark Kulak uh of"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "husatonic.live. live who's one of the"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "best researchers and archivists out"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "there. He and uh Jonathan Kuey, PhD of"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "Gigah Biological U figured this out more"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "than a year ago. So what I did is"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "basically take a lot of the work they"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "did and turn it into journalistic uh"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "format. Um so you know the the broader"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "public uh can can understand the level"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "of deception that we have been exposed"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "to not simply about the lab leak story"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "and not not even just about the the co"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "story but but about a much broader"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "multi-generational"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "deception about pandemics um that"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "they're even possible. And so really"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "this is the the tip of the iceberg. And"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "Lie Mangan"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "uh appeared in July 2020 when we were"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "all uh dealing with lockdowns and and"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "being separated from families and job"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "closures and these kinds of things. And"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "everyone is terrified of this supposedly"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "novel virus going around. And Lee Mang"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "Yan appears suddenly on uh Tucker"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "Carlson's show back when he was still at"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "Fox News saying that this is actually a"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "Chinese boweapon. The Chinese government"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "created this uh released it and then"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "covered up humanto human transmission"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "and then therefore they have to pay."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "They are responsible for this in fact."}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "Um so then Lee Mangan was all over all"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "over the media. She went on a number of"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "podcasts and for years she has been uh"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "considered a basically a credible um"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "figure given cred credible testimony um"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "on this subject. She did tours with"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "figures like uh Dr. Robert Malone who is"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "a an adviser a top adviser to children's"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "health defense of um the I think the"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "president of of which we you just had on"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "Mary Holland um along with Dr. Dr."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "Richard Erso, Dr. Ryan Cole, and doing"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "tours across the United States, uh, in"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "churches, in any kind of public forum"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "talking about her story being a a"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "Chinese whistleblower. And, um, in fact,"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "as you mentioned, Natalie, she never"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "said in any public appearance that we"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "were able to find that she had ever been"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "in the United States. She made it appear"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "as if she was a mid-level scientist at"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "this uh lab in Hong Kong and found out"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "that um from a source in the Chinese CDC"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "that she uh that that um that it was a"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "bioweapon that CO was a boweapon and"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "that there was humanto human"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "transmission that was being covered up."}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "But in fact, she was married in 2014 in"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "Manhattan in New York City. 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They also came up"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "with the they also designed the PCR"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "diagnostic test which uh the World"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "Health Organization used which actually"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "did not specifically test for SARS Kovv2"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "but was a pan corona virus uh test. So"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "it would not just find SARS KV2. It"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "would be any fragment of any um viral"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "particle in anybody's nose it would pick"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "up on. So it was not actually testing"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "that. That was that was one of the the"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "ways that that was the primary way that"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "uh there was basically and what I what I"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "it's not what I believe is what I think"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "the evidence uh shows was a faked"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "pandemic and the lab leak narrative that"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "Lee Mangan"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "promoted was one side of a dialectical"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "propaganda campaign where for years"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "we've been people have been arguing did"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "it come from nature or did it come from"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "a AB, but this is all based on the"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "assumption that there was a novel virus"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "and in fact there's no evidence of that"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "and there's evidence that a pandemic was"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "faked. Um, and so I there are this is"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "again this is the tip of the iceberg."}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "Yeah, this is I mean this is the"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "Go ahead, Clayton."}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "Go ahead, Dan. No, it's the tip of the"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "iceberg. Go ahead. Didn't mean to"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "interrupt. I'm just"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "Well, this is to me this is the tip of"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "the tip of the iceberg in the sense that"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "there is this deception that you know"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "everyone thinks it's lab leak now. Um"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "and it's and that is the everyone thinks"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "it came from a lab. Um that was"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "relegated to the extreme rightwing at"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "the at the very beginning to neocons"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "like Tom Cotton. But in fact, this is a"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "narrative that was brought about by"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "Steve Bannon. We know that Steve Bannon"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "also played a role in um a huge role in"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "bringing President Trump to power um by"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "shaping him as kind of this conservative"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "populist. 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He ended up"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "committing huge amounts of fraud and"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "he's now in prison inside the United"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "States for defrauding like millions of"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "dollars uh defrauding people out of"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "millions of dollars buying a yacht from"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "which he declared the Federal Republic"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "of China, the Federal State of China I"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "think it's called like a Janu style"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "operation to um to replace the Chinese"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "government in the New York in the New"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "York harbor with the the Statue of"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "Liberty in the background. So that's"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "where this lab leak thing originated and"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "then it's been slowly adopted by the"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "mainstream and when it was considered"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "right-wing and racist it slowly became"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "mainstreamed and it was made to feel"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "like the subversive dissident narrative"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "because if you said lab leak not only"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "you were called racist you could be"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "censored you could be kicked off of"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "Facebook and Instagram or your ex"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "account your Twitter account at that"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "time could be suspended but that made it"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "feel like oh well maybe the"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "establishment doesn't want us to think"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "about that. And so it it actually has,"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "you know, that's that's to me that's"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "like clearly what they wanted us to"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "think. And now it's the official"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "position of the US government."}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "I guess free speech is under attack, but"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "Rumble refuses to back down on this."}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "We've always believed in empowering"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "voices, no matter how unpopular. And now"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "we're taking that fight to the next"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "level. When major advertisers conspired"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "to pull their dollars, even brands like"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "Dunkin Donuts turned their backs on"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "shows like ours, claiming Rumble had a"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "right-wing culture. But we're not here"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "to fit a mold. We are here to def defend"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "free expression. Right now, for a"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "limited time, you get $10 off an annual"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "plan using the promo code redacted. Just"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "visit rumble.com/premium/redacted"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "and claim your discount code today. Just"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "use that code redacted. That's what I"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "was That's what I'm thinking of all of"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "this, right? It's a brilliant cover"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "story. It's like a brilliant sort of"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "medical false flag event, right? I let I"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "escaped China and I'm bringing this"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "story to you, the American people. And"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "yeah, if people post about this on on X,"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "then your accounts, that's like the"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "dirty thing. It's like telling teenagers"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "like don't look in that room,"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "you know, don't look behind that door."}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "What are teenagers going to do? They're"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "going to look behind that door."}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "So, it's a brilliant false flag medical"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "story. I mean, that's the way I see it."}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "Am I wrong? No, that's exactly it."}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "That's one of the I think one of the key"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "um tools of of uh information warfare,"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "if we can call it that, in the modern"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "social media era where we think that um"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "okay, Facebook is has been, you know, is"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "censoring and Instagram is censoring and"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "they're acting independently. But in"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "fact we know that these operate that"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "these organizations um well of course"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "Facebook and Instagram are meta but the"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "different you know Tik Tok X we know and"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "before when it was Twitter that they"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "operate in concert so we've been"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "funneled to think certain ways while"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "making us think that we are actually"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "thinking uh freely. Um and again all of"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "this is predicated on the idea that a"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "pandemic is even a biologically"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "plausible event. And if you if you uh"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "talk to Jonathan Jooie, PhD, who"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "formerly worked who was a top adviser to"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and was a and was"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "a scientist for children's health"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "defense um and was fired for criticizing"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Robert Malone. He will tell you he was"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "and he was also a huge proponent of lab"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "leak theory at the beginning and he"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "realized that it was a that it was"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "totally uh fictional that it was"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "biologically impossible. And so he's the"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "guy to talk to about about all this who"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "can go into much more detail. He can"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "tell you exactly why a pandemic is not a"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "real thing. He can give you a lot of"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "detail on this. Um what I do is tend to"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "look more at at at propaganda and and"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "figures like Lee Mangan. So there's a"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "much greater"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "uh agenda that like I said at the"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "beginning is multi-generational that we"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "have to go back decades to understand of"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "why would they want us to think there's"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "a pandemic? What is what is the real"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "reason for all of these lies? Um you"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "know there was of course the"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "unprecedented transfer upward transfer"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "of wealth during the co era. Um you know"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "the the radical transformation of"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "society where we now live in our"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "smartphones. When I go to a restaurant I"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "order through a smartphone. Everything"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "is through a QR code. The destruction um"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "of workingass small businesses that"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "market share taken up. But there are"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "much even greater um uh agendas than"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "that that you know I think maybe we"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "should save for another time. But um I"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "guess what I would say is the fact there"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "are key actors like Robert Malone, Dr."}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "Robert Malone who know that uh who who"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "were in on this um who have been placed"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "in what is a controlled opposition of a"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "health freedom movement. And these are"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "the people who are advising Robert F."}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "Kennedy Jr. And that's why when Jay"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "Jonathan Jooie told Robert F. Kennedy,"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "hey, wait a minute. The whole basis for"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "your book, The Wuhan Coverup, is is is"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "bogus. This doesn't even make sense. He"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "was politely shown the door. So there's"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "there a there's a an intricate web of"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "deceptions. And I mean if I I you know"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "there are certain people who who I think"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "um I know know that they are liars. Um"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "you know Tucker Carlson was one of the"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "fir he was the first person I think or"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "maybe the second person to interview Lee"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "Manan. I don't know what his intent was."}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "I can't uh you know I can't infer his"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "intent. I would like to ask Tucker"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "Carlson how that happened. And you know"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "the same with the Guardian and CNN why"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "nobody whether the supporters of Lee Lee"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "Mangan or the critics of Lee Mangan"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "bothered to look into her background and"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "find this publicly available information"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "that she actually is married into one of"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "the biggest uh uh biomedical families in"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "the US. She's she is from the"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "establishment. So, um, you know, and and"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "if if Tucker is willing to pursue that,"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "I mean, again, the figure to interview"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "to really get to the bottom of this is"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "Jonathan J. Kooey. So,"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "that's"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "I've watched the videos that you you"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "sent and you can find that more on"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "Uncaptured Media and Dan is a dog with a"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "bone over this because he's not having"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "it. If we're going to, you know, argue"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "this in a bipartisan way, lab leak, not"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "lab leak, you know, real or not real,"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "it's a distraction from the phmocratic"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "state, I think, is where you're where"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "you're going with this. So, thank you"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "for bringing us this story."}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "Thank you, Dan. Joining us from the"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "swamp of DC, how hot is it there in DC"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "right now? Oh my god, it's like we're"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "we're dying in our studio right now."}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "It's hot as hot as balls. Yeah, you"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "know, there was like a horrible period"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "uh where it was like 98 99 degrees in"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "total humidity here, but for some reason"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "these last few days we've been blessed"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "with like relatively cool weather. So,"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "I'm"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "I'm just trying to not change"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "relatively in the dog days of summer in"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "the in the Washington DC swamp."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "Yeah, exactly."}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "Dan, great to see you as always. Thank"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "you so much. And check out Uncaptured"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "Media where Dan does all of his great"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "work. Great journalist. Thank you, Dan."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "Thanks so much."}]

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And now we're"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "taking that fight to the next level when"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "major advertisers conspired to pull"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "their dollars. Even brands like Dunkin"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "Donuts turned their backs on shows like"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "ours, claiming Rumble had a right-wing"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "culture. But we're not here to fit a"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "mold. We are here to def defend free"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "expression. Right now, for a limited"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "time, you can get $10 off an annual plan"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "using the promo code redacted. Just"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "visit rumble.com/premium/redacted"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "and claim your discount code today. Just"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "use that code redacted. EJ Antony is a"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "research fellow at the Richard Aster"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "fellow in the Heritage Foundation's"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "Grover M. Herman Center for the Federal"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "Budget. He joins us to discuss. Thank"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "you so much for joining us. What is your"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "reaction to this and what do we need to"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "know as consumers?"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Oh, thank you so much for having me. I I"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "would say the the first thing that we"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "need to know is that as consumers, this"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "won't affect us very much. Now, that"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "that's not a bad thing because most of"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "these trade deals were uh most of these"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "trade negotiations, I should say, were"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "never about trying to negotiate a better"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "deal for consumers. These were about"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "trying to get better deals for"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "producers. In other words, American"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "consumers can already get products from"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "all around the world and at very"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "affordable prices. That that's been a"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "very good benefit to us in terms of uh"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "globalism. So, what has the negative"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "effect been? Well, it it has been the"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "fact that our exporters have not been"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "given the same courtesy that foreign"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "exporters have received. In other words,"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "foreign exporters have had access to"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "American consumer markets. That's"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "benefited them and it's benefited the"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "American consumer because trade benefits"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "people otherwise we wouldn't trade. But"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "our exporters have not been given the"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "same courtesy. They have not had access"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "to foreign markets. That's been the"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "problem for 80 years now. And as a"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "consequence, uh, Trump essentially"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "decided to finally fight back in these"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "trade wars. All right. So, with that in"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "mind, what does this deal actually give"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "American producers? Whether that's a"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "dairy farmer or a factory worker, it"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "gives them more access to the United"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "Kingdom's consumer market. That means we"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "can sell more products there. Whether"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "that's uh ethanol, which is a"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "combination of both a farm product and"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "an industrial product, or maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "actual food stuffs in in CA in the case"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "of things like beef for example, uh but"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "also automotive parts, steel, aluminum,"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "the list goes on and on. This is a very"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "good deal for American producers because"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "at the same time it does not diminish"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "our access to products out of the UK. It"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "gives American uh producers more access"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "in terms of that uh United Kingdom"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "consumer market. So, it's a definitely a"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "win for America."}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": ">> That's great to know. Sorry."}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": ">> No, go ahead. You go ahead."}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": ">> Um so, I wanted to ask you, and I sort"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "of said this at the beginning or just"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "right before we brought you on, can we"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "take this model that the Trump"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "administration has worked out with the"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "UK and transplant it to Japan, China, uh"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "India, other countries right now? Are we"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "going to see a replication of this or"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "are like a cut and paste or are we going"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "to see totally different for every"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "country right now? What do you think?"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": ">> I I think that's right, Clayton. I think"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "we're going to see essentially very"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "similar deals with other countries. What"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "what this basically does in terms of the"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "United Kingdom is it reduces both their"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "tariff but also their non-tariff"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "barriers on American exports. and and"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "very frequently it is those it is the"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "non-tariff barriers that are much worse"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "than the tariffs themselves. For"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "example, Canada has a lot of non-tariff"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "barriers that essentially make it"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "impossible for our exporters to get"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "stuff into Canadian markets. Now, if you"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "look at it in terms of dollars, you"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "won't actually see, for example, a lot"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "of American dairy farmers paying that"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "300% tax because they never bother"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "getting anywhere near the quota cap"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "before that tax kicks in. So, that's a"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "kind of non-tariff barrier. It prevents"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "them from actually getting access to"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Canadian consumers, not because they're"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "paying a tariff, but because of of that"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "quota system. Believe it or not, it's"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "actually easier for a lot of our"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "exporters to get their stuff into"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "Russian markets than it is to get it"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "into Canadian markets. That again, that"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "just demonstrates how bad these"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "non-tariff barriers can be on a country"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "like Canada. The UK had some pretty"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "steep ones as well. So, again, we're"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "very glad to see those those go away."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "Uh, however, I will say I think part of"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "the reason why the UK was the first"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "domino to fall as opposed to India is"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "because of the conflict in India and"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "Pakistan. I I would not be surprised if"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "we eventually find out that the India"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "deal was actually more or less done"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "first and then the the UK one ended up"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "being a a kind of carbon copy of it. But"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "whatever the case, to your point, I"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "think this is essentially the blueprint"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "for what we're trying to accomplish with"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "nations around the world where we want"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "again it's more access for our exporters"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "to these different consumer markets. We"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "want to be able to sell more of our"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "stuff abroad. We want American"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "producers, therefore American workers,"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "to be on an equal footing with producers"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "around the world."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Now, you see these memes online of"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "people abroad saying, \"We don't buy"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "anything from America. We don't care."}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "They don't realize that we have the best"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "stakes, that we have energy to export,"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "and they don't know what we have.\""}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "Right. Because they haven't been given a"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "chance."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": ">> Right. Exactly. There's a reason why"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "Europeans buy virtually no American"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "cars. It's because it's so difficult to"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "actually get American cars into the EU's"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "consumer market. You have to you"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "essentially have to pay so much whether"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "it's the tariffs themselves or or other"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "kinds of fines and fees. It is so"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "prohibitively expensive that it it's"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "just not worth it to sell cars there."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "And even if those cars are available for"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "sale, they're at such high prices that"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "people choose domestically produced"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "alternatives. In other words, they"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "choose cars that are made in Europe"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "instead of buying ones that are made in"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "America and and shipped to Europe. I"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "mean, we have, whether it's tariff or"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "non-tariff barriers, we have trade"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "barriers in place today that were put in"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "place after World War II. So, here we"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "are essentially 80 years later. I'm"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "sorry. We no longer need to protect the"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "the industries of Europe from American"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "competition. We're no longer trying to"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "rebuild that continent and rebuild their"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "industrial base. Times have changed and"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "that just doesn't need to happen"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "anymore. It it is far past time for"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "those folks to be able to to essentially"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "compete with the rest of the world. And"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "that includes competing with American"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "industry."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": ">> EJ Anton, great analysis. Fascinating to"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "see it. Um it's going to be really and I"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "I really interesting point about India"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "first. Maybe this got shuffled to the"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "back there. We're going to see if this"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "is unique or if this is kind of a carbon"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "copy we're going to see in other"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "countries right now. Um markets markets"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "though uh surging on this news. So I"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "think maybe maybe something's going"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "going well here. Uh joining us from my"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "home city of Philadelphia. Go birds. Um"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:33", "text": ">> go a thanks EJ. Great to see you."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "YouTube."}]

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So,"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "this fine line between simulation and"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "reality has already started to blur over"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "the past few years. My guest today is"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "Professor RZswan Verk, an MIT, former"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "MIT computer scientist, video game"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "entrepreneur, best-selling author of the"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "book The Simulation Hypothesis. You've"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "got to pick this book up. He's one of"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "the leading voices exploring this"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "question, and he's here to break it"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "down. Professor joins us now. He is now"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "at Arizona State University. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "professor, great to have you here on the"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "show."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Thanks for having me on the show. I'm"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "excited to be here."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Well, I'm excited to have this"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "conversation. And I have to say"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "regularly on when we publish videos here"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "on the channel, there will always be a"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "number of commenters who are saying this"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "all makes sense because we're living in"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "a simulation. And I think it it kind of"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "blows our minds to think that we might"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "be living in some sort of a matrix. Some"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "people are redpilled, some people are"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "bluepilled, some people are blackpilled"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "in all of this. So I guess let's start"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "at the core of this story here. What is"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "the simulation hypothesis? Of course,"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "the name of your new book. In your"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "words, what is the simulation"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "hypothesis?"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Well, so the simulation hypothesis"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "simply described is the idea that what"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "we think of as physical reality around"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "us. You know, the chair behind me, my"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "computer uh that these objects and the"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "whole environment is not actually"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "physical but is a virtual environment uh"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "that has been generated by a type of"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "computer simulation. Uh now if you break"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "it down further you can break it into"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "series of propositions. Uh of course the"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "the most popular uh representation of"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "this idea is the film The Matrix which"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "came out back in 1999 and there have"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "been other great science fiction movies"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "about this idea as well. But if you"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "break down this big idea into a set of"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "smaller assertions, it's basically that"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "the world consists of information rather"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "than being physical. Then that"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "information is being computed as in a"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "computer program and then that"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "information is being rendered uh so that"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "it looks and feels real as in a video"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "game or as in a virtual reality uh and"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "that finally that this world is some"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "kind of a hoax perhaps a purposeful"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "hoax. So if you think about these"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "different assertions that I just"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "mentioned you can see that they touch on"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "a variety of areas. They touch on"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "computer science, information theory,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "physics, biology, but also philosophy,"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "mysticism, and religion as well. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "it's an idea that I think cuts across"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "disciplines. So, it's an"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "interdisciplinary idea. And that's what"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "I think makes it pretty interesting to"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "talk about"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> for sure. I mean, how does it under"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "Well, I was just thinking, you know, how"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "does it undercut faith? like if you're a"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "Christian um you know how how how does"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "that under does it undercut or does it"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "support your faith or does it embolden"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "your faith? Does it make your faith"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "stronger? How does it interconnect with"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "with Christianity for instance as an"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "example?"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Well, so it connects with Christianity"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "and basically all the world's religions"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "in in in a way that could support it. I"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "think when people first hear the idea we"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "might be in a simulation, they get"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "scared. But there's actually two"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "different versions or flavors of the"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "simulation hypothesis. And this is what"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "I call the NPC versus RPG flavors of"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "simulation theory. And so NPC stands for"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "non-player characters. And those are the"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "characters inside a video game that are"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "not controlled by the player. Those are"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "like, you know, the bartenders or the"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "uh, you know, the guy selling you the"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "weapons, maybe some of the enemies"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "you're dealing with, uh, people that"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "guide you along the way. But they're all"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "controlled by code and by AI. And in the"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "NPC version, everyone is an AI inside a"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "computer. And that can be kind of scary."}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "But of course, even in that version, it"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "still implies that there is a creator uh"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "and there may be a direction to the"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "overall uh simulation or the simulated"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "civilization. Now, on the other side, we"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "have the RPG version, which stands for"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "role playing game version. And to me,"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "that's the one that aligns more, I"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "think, with uh a lot of uh faith-based"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "traditions. So, RPG stands for role"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "playing game. And what it means is you"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "have a character that exists outside of"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "the simulation, outside of the video"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "game, and then you have a character"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "inside, which like in video games, we"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "call that your avatar inside the game."}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "That's like the term that's used. The"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "term itself avatar actually comes from"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "Sanskrit which meant a divine entity"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "that is squeezing down into a small"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "body. Uh but if you think about it I in"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "the religious traditions you have this"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "idea of a soul and then you have a body"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "and so the soul becomes like a player"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "and the body becomes like the character"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "or like the avatar that's inside the"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "game. And it turns out that uh this is"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "also closer to what we saw in the"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "Matrix. So in the matrix, neot trinity"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "and Morpheus existed outside of the"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "matrix, but they also existed inside the"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "matrix. Uh and so if you think of that"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "in theological terms, you can realize"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "that many of the world's traditions have"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "been telling us all along that the"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "physical world is not the real world."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "That we have the here and then we have"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "the hereafter. Uh the place that will"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "spend eternity. And uh in the um uh in"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "the Bible for example, you have the idea"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "that God created the earth. And uh in"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "one of my classes about this idea,"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "simulation theory, I walked my students"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "line by line through Genesis. And I"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "asked them, okay, first God create said"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "there be light and then he created the"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "uh you know the waters and the land and"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "then the ve vegetation, then the animals"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "eventually getting to the point of"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "creating humans. And and I always ask"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "them, well, what is the mechanism that"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "God used to create it? And initially, it"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "was he spoke or he commanded it to"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "happen and it just happened. Now, most"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "people in the scientific community"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "tended to dismiss these ideas to say,"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "well, how could that possibly have"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "happened? Because we didn't have a"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "mechanism. So, what simulation theory"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "does is it provides a technoscientific"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "mechanism, if you will, uh, or a way"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "that that could be done because today we"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "can create entire virtual worlds. How?"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "by speaking them to AI and AI actually"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "creates these worlds for us. Uh and so"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "you can see videos now that look super"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "realistic but there are plan there are"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "games which have like 18 quintilion"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "planets for example and uh there's no"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "way a game designer could create all"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "those planets but a game designer could"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "basically tell AI to create those"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "planets and they use what's called"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "procedural generation. So in many ways"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "this idea that we may be in a simulation"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "tends to intersect uh you know both with"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "the Judeo-Christian traditions and with"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "Islam but also with Hinduism and"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "Buddhism. So it it basically says that"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "the b that the cosmology"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "uh of these religious traditions usually"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "comes about because someone uh a founder"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "of a religion, a mystic had a mystical"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "experience whether it was uh you know"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "the divine breaking through to the"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "physical world or you know Jesus going"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "out in the desert for 40 days or"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "Muhammad in a cave with an angel appears"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "or they were using some kind of yogic"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "techniques uh shamanic techniques to try"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "to perceive outside of the physical"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "world. So, so I think there is some real"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "resonance between religion and the"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "simulation hypothesis. And interestingly"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "enough, I find I find in with with most"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "traditions uh that there this idea"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "doesn't have to be an opposition"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "necessarily to that. Moreover, it"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "becomes a way to introduce younger"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "people to some of these ideas that can"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "seem antiquated in a technological age."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "You know, the young people are used to"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "playing video games like like my nephews"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "when they come home from school. We used"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "to go out and play, you know, play ball."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "We used to play outside, but they get"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "online in Fortnite or Roblox and they"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "hang out with their friends from school"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "who they just saw, but they hang out"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "with them virtually in avatars. And so"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "it provides perhaps a different"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "language, if you will, and a way into"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "staying uh that perhaps these ideas in a"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "modern techn scientific society in a lot"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "of my academic friends tend to dismiss"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "religious ideas. And I said, \"Well, what"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "if they're real, but we were using"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "terminology that would have been"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "familiar to people 2,000 years ago.\" And"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "the updated terminology today might be"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "that the world is like a video game"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "created by a creator and monitored by"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "angels who are like processes that are"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "running in the game to keep track of"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "everything that happens in the game."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": ">> It's remarkable idea. So that yes, there"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "is a creator that it would create this"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "world that's sort of being monitored and"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "would would it allow us to have this"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "incredible level of destruction. you"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "know, would it I guess a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "wrestle with the idea, well, how how"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "would this creator allow this game, this"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "simulation to unfold, whether it's in,"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "you know, what's happening in Gaza, for"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "instance, or what's happening in the"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "NATO, you know, proxy war uh in Ukraine"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "or or any of the sort of world's"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "tragedies or or horrible, you know, this"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "sort of creator sort of sitting there in"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "this simulation like watching this"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "happen and how we respond to it. What do"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "you think about that part of it?"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "Well, yeah, that's one of the arguments"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "I think that's given to say, well, there"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "couldn't be a creator or there could not"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "be a simulation uh because of all the"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "suffering that happens in the world. But"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "to be to be fair, if we were to create a"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "simulation, who's to say that we"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "wouldn't allow any suffering to happen"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "in the simulation? In fact, probably"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "we'd want to see what happens in that"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "simulation, and we want we might want to"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "give the characters in the simulation"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "free choice. And so we might say, okay,"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "you're going to have a choice whether to"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "commit evil acts or good acts and how"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "you act uh versus other people. And"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "perhaps the point of the simulation is"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "to put us in these difficult situations"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "uh and the challenges. So the way video"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "games work is you have a series of"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "ascending quests and achievements and"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "they get more difficult and you know"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "perhaps some of these are are very"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "difficult challenges. Uh I mentioned"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "earlier this idea that uh angels may be"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "like computer processes running and so"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "there's an idea of the recording angels."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "You can see like there's a statue in"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Washington DC if anybody searches on"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "recording angel we'll see who writes"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "down in the book of life the names of"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "the individuals who get into um into"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "heaven. But it also says in the Bible"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "for example that the books will be"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "opened and then we'll put names in the"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "books of life. Now, that's a metaphor."}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "That doesn't mean there's physically a"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "book there. But is it possible that it's"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "referring to something real? And uh in"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "the Islamic traditions, they name these"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "recording angels. They say there's two"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "angels who write down all your good"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "deeds and your bad deeds, and then when"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "you die, you have to read your book, and"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "then you can decide what happens after"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "that. Now, once again, that's a"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "technological metaphor from 2,000 years"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "ago. What they really wanted to say, not"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "with that there really are, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "billions of angels. you know, you you've"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "got two, I've got two, everybody's got"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "billions of angels, but rather these"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "angels are almost like AI recording"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "everything that we do. And then after we"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "die, it can be replayed for us. Uh, and"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "so you start to see that, okay, on the"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "one hand, there's terrible suffering in"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "this world. On the other hand, what"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "choices did you as a player make? And"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "perhaps you had a set of challenges that"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "you were trying to overcome. And some of"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "those may have been based on, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "greed, emotion, you know, various"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "emotions, fear, can you overcome your"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "fear this time? Will you treat people"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "with compassion? Uh, will you commit a"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "genocide? All of these types of things,"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "uh, could be part of the reason for the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "simulation."}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": ">> Dr. Michael Newton, I'm sure you're"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "probably familiar with his work, uh,"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "Journey of Souls. Dr. Michael Newton,"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "unbelievable books. If you, you know, if"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "the audience has never read them,"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:12", "text": ">> he's done, you know, thousands of"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "regression hypnosis cases and looking at"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "past life experiences from individuals"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "who passed on and came back and seems"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "like their journey, their soul journey"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "was to work on a particular thing in"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "their next life. For instance, maybe uh"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "you know, you you're then born with some"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "sort of a disability because that was"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "your sole journey in order. coming back"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "now and you're going to have to deal"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "with this new this new disability. And"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "that's going to be your soul's journey"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "for the next 60 70 years of your life is"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "to deal with this this this uh this"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "disability or"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": ">> um you know some other horrible thing or"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "whatever it is or nothing at all. It"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "could just be you know what you've lived"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "a lot of really difficult lives now it's"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "your soul's journey to come back and to"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "to live a beautiful life and to to not"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "have any real major adversity in your"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "life. And so does how how does that sort"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "of fit in? And I feel like that that's"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "part of this story. Does it?"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": ">> Yes, absolutely. So I I'm familiar with"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "the work of of Dr. Michael Newton. Great"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "book, Journey of Souls. I read it way"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "back in the 90s and it actually"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "influenced, you know, some of my ideas"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "here because if you think about a video"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "game, the way that it works is at the"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "beginning you choose your character. And"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "if it's a uh fantasy adventure game or"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "like Lord of the Rings or something, you"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "know, you might have an elf, a dwarf, a"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "human, you choose your race, you choose"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "your character, but what we used to do"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "when we played Dungeons and Dragons back"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "in the day, we'd have these character"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "sheets and we would, you know, roll"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "these dice and you'd have different"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "attributes like your charisma, your"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "strength, your backstory. We would fill"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "it all in."}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": ">> Your thieving ability, your ability to"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "steal from others, you know, quietly and"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "stealthily as a thief. Yeah, exactly."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "Exactly. And you what what profession"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "are you? Are you going to be a thief?"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "Are you going to be uh you know a"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "warrior? Like what what is the storyline"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "and what are the set of quests that"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "you're going to go after? And in uh"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "Michael Newton's work, he describes a"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "process of life selection where you're"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "you're looking into the world and he and"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "the people uh his patients who've"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "described this almost describe it like a"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "computer like they're looking at a"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "computer screen and they're looking at"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "the world of their parents and they're"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "deciding okay which of these families"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "will offer me the challenges that I'm"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "going to play the game. Now, there's a"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "there's a rule in the video game"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "industry and they say, you know, make a"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "game easy to play but hard to master."}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "Um, and that's because, you know, if"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "it's easy to play, people will play it,"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "but if it's easy to master, people will"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "stop playing it. On the other hand, you"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "want them to keep playing the game. And"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "so, I think, uh, with life selection, we"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "we we have the same kind of thing going"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "on where we might choose what I like to"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "call a difficulty level on the life and"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "on the quest. And we might have a"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "storyline and these are the things that"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "we are uh drawn to all along. I call it"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "like a life preview. And again in in"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "Michael Yun's work they describe it as"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "if it was a computer screen with lines"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "and decision points. You know if you end"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "up going this way versus that way you"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "may end up uh with with different"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "lessons that are learned. Uh but uh that"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "idea that these these uh challenges are"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "there for you along the way. And then"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "you have other players. Now, the way"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "that it works in um uh in video games is"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "you have a friends list and you you can"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "communicate with them behind the scenes,"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "but you may not even know uh from what's"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "in the physical world. We call it the"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "rendered world inside the game, but you"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "can say, \"Hey, let's meet up at this"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "part of the world at 8:00 p.m. to go on"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "a raid, for example, or a multiplayer"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "quest.\" And you may have those similar"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "types of agreements with other people"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "that perhaps, you know, we have some"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "unfinished business or we're going to"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "have a romantic relationship. we're"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "going to get married or this person is"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "really going to annoy me. Uh perhaps"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "it's it's part of the challenge that I"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "have in this life. And so that's what I"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "like to think of as the life selection"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "and life preview. And then if you look"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "at the work of u uh of people who"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "studied near-death experiences, uh"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "there's something called the life"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "review. And uh Dr. Raymond Moody, you"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "know, who coined the term near-death"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "experience back in 1975, studied lots of"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "cases. And one of them was a case of a"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "gentleman named Daniel Brinkley uh who"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "was struck by lightning back in 1975. He"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "wrote a book called Saved by the Light,"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "which was a huge bestseller back in the"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "'90s. And he had one of the most"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "complete near-death experiences where"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "you're hovering over your body. He meets"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "a being of light. He goes off and one of"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "the components of that was the life"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "review. And he called it a holographic"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "panoramic review of every moment in your"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "life except you have to experience it"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "from the other person's point of view."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Uh, so in in his case, he was in the"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "military, so he shot people. So he had"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "to see what what that felt like to be"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "shot by his character, but then also"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "what happened to the person he shot,"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "what happened to their wife, what"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "happened to their kids, and he had to"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "watch that and experience it. And so as"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "a computer scientist, I I say, \"Okay, if"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "this is real, I about 20% of people"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "who've had near-death experiences report"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "life reviews.\" And they tend to be the"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "most dramatic moment of a near-death"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "experience because they change how you"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "treat people. they they give you the"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "purpose of the game. And my question is,"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "if that's how we're going to review uh"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "our lives, then we must be recording it"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "somehow along the way. And that's where"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "I draw the connection to what I said"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "earlier, the recording angels really are"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "just processes that record everything in"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "virtual reality. And in virtual reality,"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "we can replay uh a scene from any XYZ"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "coordinate at any time during the game"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "session. Um, in fact on YouTube, u you"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "know, there's a lot of different types"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "of content that's popular, but among the"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "most popular is a replay of a video game"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "session where you're watching somebody's"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "replay of their game session. My nephew,"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "one of my nephews, when he was three,"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "said to his father, who was my brother,"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "he said, \"I want to watch Star Wars.\""}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "And my brother said, \"Oh, you want to"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "watch the Star Wars movie?\" He said,"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "\"No, I want to watch the man and the"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "woman play that Star Wars game.\" So it"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "was basically a recording of their 3D"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "game session. And this life review, I"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "think, reminds us that perhaps the"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "purpose of the game isn't, you know, how"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "much money are we here to make, how can"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "we dominate other people, but the way"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "we'll be evaluated at the end is how we"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "treat other people. So, I think that's a"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "key part of it as well, in addition to"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "our storylines of our professions or the"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "things that we're here to do."}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": ">> Do we have agency in our lives? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "if we're all part of this simulation and"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "if maybe someone's already written the"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "code, how much agency do we have to make"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "those decisions, those forks in the"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "road, then if we're part of part of some"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "grander scheme, some grander storyline,"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "some grander script writer that's been"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "sitting there writing our path?"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": ">> Well, I I like to think of it uh once"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "again, you can look at the NPC versus"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "RPG flavors. In the NPC version,"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "everyone is just code and it's running"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "deterministically. But there's a whole"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "field of mathematics called chaos"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "theory. And what they, you know, one of"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "the key points of chaos theory is that"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "in a complex or chaotic process, even if"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "you know the exact rules, you don't"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "really know what the outcome is unless"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "you run the process and you let it run"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "to see what will happen. Now, in the RPG"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "version, which again is is I think what"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "relates closer to, you know, some of"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "these more spiritual and mystical ideas"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "of uh Michael Newton's or the Bible or"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "near-death experiencers."}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "The way we build games is we give you a"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "bunch of choices. And if anyone's played"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "what's called an open world game, it"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "seems like you have unlimited choices."}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "You don't. You have limited choices"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "because those are the choices we've"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "programmed in. That said, you still as"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "the player, you exist outside of the"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "game and so you can still make those"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "choices. Uh, and you can live very"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "different lives lives based on those"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "choices. So, I tend to say that there is"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "still the ability to have free will in a"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "simulated world, particularly in the RPG"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "version. Now, if you talk to physicists,"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "they'll say there's no such thing as"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "free will or the only thing, you know,"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "the only real free will is quantum"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "randomness. And that's because they're"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "looking at it only from a materialistic"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "point of view. But if you think of"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "yourself as not just an avatar, but a"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "player, which is kind of like a soul who"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "has a writer's room, if you will. So,"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "you know, your point about scripts there"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "was was a good one. I like to I like to"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "say there's a writer room that might"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "include us where we're saying, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "where are we going to take the next"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "season of this this show? What crazy"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "things are we going to throw at our"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "player?\" But we still have the choice."}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "And you can get that choice by stepping"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "outside of the system, just like in a"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "video game. I can choose to go to this"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "part of the world or that part of the"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": ">> So when someone sits there and says, you"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "know, I'm a very strong I believe in"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "manifesting. You know, you hear this a"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "lot. I think there's been a kind of a"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "push back against that in recent years."}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "This idea that I should just all"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "positive thinking. You know, money is"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "flowing into my life. I've got the new"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "car. I've got the new wife. I've got"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "the, you know, I've got the pretty"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "house. Whatever it is, whatever you're"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "trying to manifest in your life, I've"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "got the new career. And people say, \"I'm"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "I'm very good at this.\" and I put this"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "sort of energy out into the universe,"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "whether it's through prayer or"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "meditation or they're writing it down in"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "a journal. And then, wouldn't you know"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "it, another a week later, that $1,000"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "shows up in a check in the mail. That"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "$1,000 is what I needed to to to cover"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "the the cost of my medical bills or"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "whatever it is, right? We hear these"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "stories all the time. So, how I mean I,"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "you know, I don't know if that's a part"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "of this story or not, but how does"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "manifesting, how does sort of prayer fit"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "into into this uh into this sort of"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "agency that we might have in this"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "simulation?"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": ">> Well, I I do think there is an element"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "of manifesting and there's an element of"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "praying uh that can change outcomes or"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "let's say that can influence outcomes."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "uh and you know before writing the"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "simulation hypothesis uh the new version"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "of which just came out I wrote a book"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "called Zen entrepreneurship uh years ago"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "and that was kind of about my"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "experiences in Silicon Valley before I"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "came back into academia and in that I"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "you know what what I tried to specify"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "was that uh we think of manifesting as"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "perhaps creating something but another"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "way to think of it is perhaps it is"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "choosing from one of multiple different"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "paths. Uh, and sometimes we try to"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "manifest and it doesn't happen and other"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "times we we we work on manifesting and"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "it does happen. Like when I was in high"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "school, part of me wanted to be an NBA"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "basketball player. Now, I could have"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "visualized that as much as I wanted to."}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "It probably wasn't going to happen"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "because it wasn't in alignment with my"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "storyline, my character in this life."}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "Yet, I was drawn to computers and I was,"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "you know, I could program computers all"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "day. Even at MIT, it was relatively easy"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "for me, uh, the computer programming"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "classes. So you can see we all have"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "different affinities. Uh but that said"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "there could be a technological"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "uh infrastructure which is tracking our"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "thoughts. So I'll give you an example"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "and this often plays out in the world of"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "synchronicity uh which you know perhaps"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "your your listeners are also familiar"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "with but synchronicity typically happens"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "when you think of something internally"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "and then there's something in the"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "external world that reminds you of that."}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "Uh and so you could think of manifesting"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "almost as a a subset of synchronicity if"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "you wanted to if you would define it"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "that way. Now Jung said there's no"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "causal connection between the two. That"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "was his formal definition of a"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "synchronicity. Of course the the more"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "common definition is a meaningful"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "coincidence. But there's also this idea"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "of a technological synchronicity which"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "shows how an information-based substrate"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "could be used to create situations for"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "you based upon your thoughts. I'll give"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "you an example that I like to use. U the"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "other day I was shopping for a backpack"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "on online. I went to the website. I"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "forget the name of the company now, but"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "I I almost added I added the backpack to"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "uh the shopping cart and then I left it"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "alone and decided not to buy the"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "backpack. A few days later, I was on my"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "phone and I was looking at um in"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "Facebook or some social media app, maybe"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "it was X. I saw an ad for that exact"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "backpack. Now, if I didn't know anything"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "about computers or technology, I might"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "say, \"Wow, that's magic. Here I was"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "looking at this backpack and now totally"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "a causally I I have an ad for this exact"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "backpack.\" But it's not a causal because"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "what happens is in the advertising"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "industry, they have something called"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "cookies and they have databases. But"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "literally, when I was in I was in"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "Silicon Valley, we call that you"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "registered your intent into the database"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "when you went to that website and added"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "that to your cart. And so by registering"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "your intent in the database then in this"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "case a situation was created later that"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "matched that. And I wonder if"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "manifesting could be thought of in this"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "way uh as a kind of technological"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "manifesting where we register our"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "intents. some of which align because"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "there are situations in our lives or our"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "story lines that will allow for that and"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "then the manifestation engine uh or what"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "we would call the game engine or the"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "quest engine would create that type of a"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "situation for you. So, I I think we, you"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "know, there's certainly some truth to"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "manifesting, but I think anybody who's"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "tried it realizes that it doesn't always"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "work. But a a simulationbased model"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "might give us a way to start thinking"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "about how this could work because from a"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "pure, you know, pure scientific uh"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "materialist model, it doesn't it"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "shouldn't work at all."}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": ">> Right. You talk about the simulation"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "point, you know, that we're, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "guess that we're approaching this"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "simulation point. Um what is that? that"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "I mean if if we're in a simulation,"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "hasn't it been here all along? Like what"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "is the simulation point that maybe we're"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "reaching now? How close are we to it?"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "What is it? Maybe you could walk us"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "through that."}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. And I think the the"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "way to describe that is to tell the"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "story of how I got pulled in down into"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "this rabbit hole of simulation theory in"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "the first place. So um a few years ago,"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "uh I was visiting um actually more than"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "a few years ago now. It was 2016, so it"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "was almost"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "a decade ago."}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": ">> Yeah. I was visiting a virtual reality"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "company that had created a a virtual"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "sports game and one of the games was"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "pingpong and I was out in Marin County"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "across from San Francisco Bay. We had a"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "beautiful view of the bay but they said"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "here try this out and I put on the"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "virtual reality headset and I started"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "playing this game of table tennis. Now,"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "what happened was that uh for a moment,"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "my body forgot that I wasn't playing a"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "real game of table tennis. And uh so"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "much so that at the end of the game, I"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "tried to put the paddle down on the"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "table and I tried to lean against the"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "table, but of course, there was no"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "table. So, the controller fell to the"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "floor. I almost fell over. Now, of"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "course, these graphics were primitive"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "compared to today's graphics. And the"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "headsets were still huge. We used to"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "call it having a toaster on your face."}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "And there's no mistaking there's a"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "toaster on your face. But yet the"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "physics engine was so good and realistic"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "and it was so responsive. It convinced"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "me that we that for a moment that I was"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "playing a real game. And so I began to"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "think, how long would it take us to get"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "to the point where we could create a"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "virtual reality that was"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "indistinguishable from physical reality"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "and with AI characters in there perhaps"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "that were indistinguishable from uh"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "other characters. There's something"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "called the touring test for AI which"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "many people have heard of and many"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "people think today's chat GPT and other"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "LLM's tools have already passed the"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "touring test and that you know they"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "could have been written by a human but"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "what would it take to get to the point"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "where inside a virtual world you would"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "actually think these other characters uh"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "were were real when they weren't and so"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "I laid out the stages of technology that"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "would get us to that point and I laid"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "out 10 stages of technology ology and"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "we're about halfway there. And the first"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "stages of technology were text"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "adventures, graphic adventure games, MMO"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "RPGs like we have today like World of"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "Warcraft, Fortnite, any of these. Uh and"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "then uh virtual reality and augmented"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "reality. We get into brain computer"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "interfaces. We get to realistic AI. So"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "all of these stages once we get there uh"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "we'll be able to create these worlds."}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "And so the the logic that was put out"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "there, there was a Oxford philosopher"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "named Nick Bostonramm uh who put out"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "what's called the simulation argument uh"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "quite a few years back in 2003. It was"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "just a few years after the matrix came"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "out. And he he suggested that if a"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "civilization could get to that point,"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "they would create lots and lots of"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "virtual worlds. Um and but there's only"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "one physical world. There's a whole"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "bunch of virtual worlds. So if we're in"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "a world, which one are we more likely to"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "be in? Are we lucky to be in a virtual"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "world or a physical world? There's one"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "of these. There's a billion of these."}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "This was the logic that led Elon Musk a"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "few years ago, actually 2016, around the"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "same time that I was playing the VR game"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "to say that the chances were we're in"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "base reality is one in billions. Now,"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "that said, we're not at the point where"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "we can create we can create those worlds"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "yet. But, uh, the reason I use that as a"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "as a point is to say if we can create"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "that that point, then probably someone"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "has already created that, right? Because"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "you might have a civilization that's"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "much more advanced than us. You might"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "have a thousand years more more computer"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "technology. Or it could be so advanced"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "that as Arthur C. Clark, the science"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "fiction writer who wrote like 2001, a"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "space odyssey said any sufficiently"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "advanced technology is indistinguishable"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "from magic. Uh and so that's how much"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "more advanced than us than they might"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "be. Uh if you've ever watched a film"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "called The 13th Floor, I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "you've seen that. That that came out."}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": ">> I haven't. No. Also in 1999, it was"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "based on an older science fiction novel,"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "but it got overshadowed by The Matrix."}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "And it was also about this idea that we"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "live in a computer simulation. For some"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "reason, 99 was the year of simulation"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "movies, like three of them."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:01", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": ">> uh, but in that movie, they were in in"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "Los Angeles in 1999, and they created a"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "a version of LA in 1937, I think it was."}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "Uh, and"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "then I'll give it away. It's a"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "25-year-old movie, so I think I'll give"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "away the punch line. Just like with The"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "Matrix, most people know what it's about"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "at this point, right?"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": ">> Uh, it turns out that 1999 was actually"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "also a simulation from the year 2024."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "Um, and so they come, you know, people"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "come in from outside the simulation and"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "say, \"We made thousands of simulations."}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "Yours was the only one that ran uh, you"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "know, made sub simulations, but you're"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "using too much computing power, so we"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "have to shut you down.\" Now, now that's"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "an interesting scenario. uh but I I"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "don't think that our simulation is"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "necessarily"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "on our type of computer system. It's it"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "would have to be so much more advanced"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "that it would be closer to a quantum"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "computing system which works very much"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "like the elements of quantum physics in"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "our"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:59", "text": ">> you've talked about the simulated"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "multiverse. In fact, you wrote a book"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "about this number of years ago if I'm"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "not mistaken, the simulated multiverse."}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "So, how does this idea of the Mandela"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "effect come into play here? the Mandela"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "effect, the idea of sort of shifting"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "timelines. How does this fit into this"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "whole notion of a simulated multiverse"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "and shifting timelines? You kind of"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "reference that in the movie, but you"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "know, I've been fascinated with time"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "travel since I was a child obviously and"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "back to the back to the future. I'm"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "still obsessed with it. To me, it's one"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "of the greatest, you know, ideas of all"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "time. This idea that we could travel"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "back in time. I've talked to I've talked"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "to individuals who worked in the secret"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "space program, uh, whistleblowers who've"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "said that there are time travelers"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "currently here. They're sort of"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "watchers, if you will, that they've from"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "hundreds of years in the future and"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "they're involved and our government"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "knows about these time travelers. That"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "blows my mind. Anyway, I'll let you run"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "with it, but time travelers, Mandela"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "effect, shifting timelines, how does"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "that fit fit into this?"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:01", "text": ">> Uh, yeah, well, it does fit into it. And"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "so, you know, the new book is a"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "completely revamped edition of the"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "simulation hypothesis. I had written an"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "original version of it back in 2019, but"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "that was before AI. And so, I've updated"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "it for AI with 100 pages or so more. But"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "the other book that I wrote on this"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "subject was called the simulated"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "multiverse. And the reason I wrote that"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "book was there was a a thought that"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "stuck in my mind after writing about the"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "fact that we might be in a simulation"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "originally. And that that thought was"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "well if we can run one simulation"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "there's no reason you can't run multiple"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "simulations. Uh and in fact I had"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "dismissed the Mandela effect I think"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "like many people in in the"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "technoscientific communities or"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "certainly in academia as just faulty"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "memory. And then a friend of mine from"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "MIT was visiting Google you know said"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "hey have you heard of the Mandela effect"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "simulation theory could be a way to"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "describe it. Uh"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:54", "text": ">> maybe you could explain before we get"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "you go deeper just for our audience that"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "might not know what the Mandela effect"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "is. Could you explain that before you"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "carry on?"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:01", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. So the Mandela effect"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "is when a subset of individuals remember"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "uh a history that is different from what"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "the majority remember and it's named the"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "Mandela effect because uh many people"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "in the 80s. Of course, in our timeline,"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "if if anybody goes and looked this up,"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "Mandela got out of prison, became the"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "president of South Africa, and he didn't"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "die until like 2013 or so. The term was"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "originally coined by a blogger named"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "Fiona Broom when she was at like a Star"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "Trek or a Comic-Con convention, and"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "there were individuals in the audience"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "who remembered a Star Trek episode and"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "there were members of the cast of of the"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "original Star Trek from the 60s on stage"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "who said, \"No, we never recorded any"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "such episode.\" Now, if you know people"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "who are"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "know their Star Trek really well. And so"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "she began to wonder about this. And so"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "so that's what the Mandela effect is."}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "And there's a whole host of them uh"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "around logos. The most famous of which"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "is the Bernsteeen Bears versus if you"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "look at it today, it's the Bernstein"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "Bears, right? Uh movies"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:06", "text": ">> people remember like No, it was the"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "Bernstein Bears growing up. Like when"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "did it when did the name change? Like I"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "remember it from my childhood. That was"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "my first indication of the Mandela"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "effect. I remember when I saw this"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "online years ago, I said, \"Whoa, wait a"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "second. Is it possible that I'm"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "remembering a different timeline here?"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:22", "text": ">> Right. Exactly. And and it becomes"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "really interesting. I mean, there's a"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "lot of like oneletter changes or"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "twoletter changes and logos. Fruit of"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "the loom, for example, that are well"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "known. And there's film lines like the"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "probably the most famous is is The"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "Empire Strikes Back where we all"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "remember him as saying Darth Vader is"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "saying, \"Luke, I am your father.\" But"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "that's not what he actually says. If you"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "watch the movie, it says, \"No, I am your"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "father.\""}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "Uh but it it gets even more interesting"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "when you get into scriptural changes and"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "physical objects. But uh and I can talk"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "about that in a minute. But uh it"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "occurred to me that if you were running"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "a process multiple times when you when"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "we run a simulation say of the weather"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "or of a virus spread or of some stock"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "market uh or simulations of what will"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "happen if we try to land on the moon, we"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "never run just one. What we do is we go"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "back and we change the variables and we"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "run them again. And and this cuts back"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "to that what I mentioned earlier about"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "chaos theory uh and the butterfly effect"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "where you know making smaller changes"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "you don't know exactly what changes that"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "will cause down the the line if it's a"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "complex process or a chaotic process and"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "so the only way to know is to run the"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "the simulation again. Uh so you know I'm"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "a big fan of science fiction and you"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "even though I'm a computer scientist by"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "background I also do academic research"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "on how science fiction influences real"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "world technology"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "as well as narratives like UFOs etc. But"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "uh I interviewed Philip K. Dick who is"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "his wife Tessa while I was writing this"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "book and you know he he was he wrote the"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "books behind Bladeunner and Minority"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "Report and also he wrote a book called"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "The Man in the High Castle which became"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "an Amazon series. I don't know if you've"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "seen that, but some of your audience"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "members."}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Philip K. Dick is Yeah. Amazing."}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "Yeah. Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:10", "text": ">> He's amazing. And so she suggested that"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "I read or watch a video of his speech"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "from Mets France in 1977. And there's a"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "line from that that's very famous, which"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "is we are living in a computer"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "programmed reality. So he was saying"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "this all the way back in 1977 and"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "everyone thought he was crazy. But so I"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "went back and listened to the rest of"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "that speech and I read the transcripts"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "as well and what he was actually saying"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "was we are living in a computer"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "programmed reality and the only clue we"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "have to it is when some variable is"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "changed some alteration occurs in our"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "reality. We would have the overwhelming"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "sense that we were reliving the same"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "events again speaking the same words uh"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "and we would have a sense of deja vu."}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "And so what he was really writing what"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "he was really writing and talking about"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "in that speech was that there were"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "individuals or entities let's call them"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "that could go back and change variables"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "in the past and rerun the same events."}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "And he came to believe that the man in"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "the high castle which for those who"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "haven't seen it is about uh Germany and"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "Japan winning World War II and then"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "dividing America between them. It's like"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "a very different very authoritarian"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "timeline. Um, and in in that uh novel"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "and in the movie there's an character"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "who's able to shift timelines. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "he came to believe that was a real"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "timeline and that he said, \"I wrote the"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "novel based on fragmentaryary memories,"}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "but then eventually I got all the"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "memories of that entire timeline, but"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "that someone had rewound it and had"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "rerun the timeline.\" And so this the"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "reason I I wrote about the Mandela"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "effect in the simulated multiverse was"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "to say well if you rerun the universe"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "and you change a few variables"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "there may be many things that are"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "similar but also things that are"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "different and you might remember and"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "Philip Kick even said this back in 1977"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "we would need to find a group of"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "individuals who remembered a different"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "past. Well, turns out in 2010 when the"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "internet was widely deployed, that's"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "when the idea of the Mandela effect came"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "about was groups of people who remember"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "a different history. Well, I'm"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "fascinated about the idea of glitches in"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "the matrix. We had Dr. Kathy 40 on the"}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "show. Um, and she's an Egyptologist. She"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "spent quite a bit of time underneath the"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:24", "text": "Giza Plateau and the pyramids and the"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "massive underground city that sits"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "underneath there. And she says, you"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "know, everyone in Egypt knows that it's"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "the case and so forth. Anyway, we were"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "talking and she said, \"You know, um, I"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "think we are living in a simulation.\""}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "And she said, \"The reason that I know"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "that is because I've witnessed multiple"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "glitches within the simulation. Multiple"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "I guess as you would call them,"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "variables maybe within in the matrix.\""}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "So, can you talk about that? Have you"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "witnessed I mean, I guess people say,"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "\"Well, where's the evidence, doctor?\""}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "Like, you know, where's the evidence on"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "this?"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:55", "text": ">> Um, how how can we tell? And you brought"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "up the variables here and that's how"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "maybe we would tell that we are living"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "in the simulation. Have you personally"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "witnessed any glitches that you could"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "point to to say this is clearly the"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "answer here?"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:08", "text": ">> Well, I think uh when you look at at how"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "can we tell if we're in a simulation"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "there's a few different ways to go about"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "it. And at the beginning I mentioned"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "these multiple assertions like is the"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "world built of information? Does that"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "information get computed? Does that"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "information get rendered? And it turns"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "out, you know, within quantum physics,"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "there is this realization uh within the"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "physics community that the world isn't"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "really physical. That when you look for"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "that thing called a particle, that is"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "what would make up mass. All it really"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "consists of is bits of information. And"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "you know, my favorite u my favorite"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "physicist from the 20th century is a guy"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "named John Wheeler. And and he coined a"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "phrase near the end of his life called"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "it forbit. And what he said was anything"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "that looks like a physical object"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "actually consists of bits. So what"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "particles are answers to yes no"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "questions. And of course a yes no is a"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "one or a zero and that is actually a"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "bit. And so you know this idea that the"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "world is information is not that"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "controversial with physicists. Now"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "whether we're in a simulation or not you"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "can have lots of arguments about that"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "with them. But one way to go about it is"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "to look for uh how that information gets"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "rendered. The other way is to look at"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "glitches in the matrix uh as you know"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "you've just suggested here. Uh and for"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "me there are many types of phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "that fit that model and I mentioned"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "synchronicity. We talked about"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "manifesting earlier. You have people"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "who've had out of body experiences where"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "they're able to get out of their bodies"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "and still see the physical world. We've"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "talked a little bit about uh near-death"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "experiences for example. uh an another"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "area that I think is may imply we're in"}, {"end": "00:40:50", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "a simulation is is pre-cognitive dreams."}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "So if we've ever had uh a dream of"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:50", "text": "something and then have it come true"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "after the fact, you now have the future,"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "you have a future event being presented"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "to you in the past. What is the"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "mechanism for that? Uh a simulation"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "could be a solid mechanism. Now that's"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "happened to me actually multiple times."}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "Um, when I was an entrepreneur years"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "ago, uh, we had a company that worked"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "with IBM and, uh, one morning I had a"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "dream about a particular competitor of"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "ours and I hadn't thought of that"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "competitor in years or at least a year"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "and I was wondering what happened to"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "him, but it was odd that I had a dream"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "about him because I'd never had a dream"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "about a business competitor. And I walk"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "into the office and I get a call from"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "IBM saying, \"Hey, we're going to release"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "this new product today. You haven't"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "heard of it. You're a good partner of"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "ours. We want to tell you about it, but"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "it's going to crush your product.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "said, \"Wait, how did I never hear of"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "this product before?\" And they said, \"Do"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "you remember your competitor uh this guy"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "Mark from way back when? We bought them"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "a year ago and we've kept it secret and"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "we're releasing it today.\" Now, the"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "dream happened in the morning and the"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "call happened after, but it was about"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "this person. The statistical odds of"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "that happening on that same day are just"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "very unusual. But it shows there is an"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "interpretation of quantum mechanics"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "where the future sends back messages to"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "the past. Well, for that to happen, the"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "future has to exist in some way, right?"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "How can it send back something if it"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "wasn't existing?"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": ">> That's so fascinating that the future"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "does exist and it is sending messages."}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "Maybe maybe there's even like a a"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "version of ourselves 20 years from now"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "that's in many ways communing with our"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "I've heard this story that there's an"}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "older version of ourselves communicating"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "with a younger version of ourselves,"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "guiding us in a certain way."}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:24", "text": ">> Yes. And I think that you know that gets"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "to this idea of being in a simulation,"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "being in a writer's room and you can see"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "you can play out the scenarios and then"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "you can say for that to happen this has"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "to happen. Uh but you can decide which"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "of those scenarios you want to go to and"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "turns out there actually is a mechanism"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "in quantum mechanics for this. Uh it's"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "called the delayed choice double slit"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "experiment. Most people have heard of"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "the the double slit experiment, which is"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "about, you know, does the the particle"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "go through the left slit or the right"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "slit or is it a wave, which means it"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "goes through both. And the observer"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "effect is saying, well, it's not until"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "somebody observes it or measures it that"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "it decides which slit to go through."}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "That the trick with that though is that"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "the observation happens after it's gone"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "through one of the slits. So if it's"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "basically deciding which slit to go"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "through when it's observed,"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "that means you're kind of influencing"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "the path in a way because you're"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "actually choosing the path. Uh now that"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "that sounds weird."}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:23", "text": ">> Okay. And there's something called a"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "cosmic delay choice. Yeah. Wouldn't you"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "be influencing as that particle is is"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "floating towards that that slit that the"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "obs because or our brain's not able to"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "recognize it until after it's gone"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "through the slit like our observing of"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "those particles floating in that"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "direction. Wouldn't that be in the"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "process of it or would it be after the"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "fact?"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:45", "text": ">> Well, it could happen either, which is"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "what makes it really weird, right? the"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "fact that it could happen after they're"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "in this list. That's what's logically"}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "strange because it means that we're uh"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "we're influencing the past. There's"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "something called the the cosmic de"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "cosmic delay choice experiment. And"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "basically it says let's assume light is"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "coming from a quazar that's a billion"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "lighty years away from from us and it's"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "going to take a billion years to get"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "here. Easy math, right? It's a billion"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "light years. That's how long it takes"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "for the light to get here. But if"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "there's uh if there's a a black hole or"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "a gravity in the galaxy in the middle,"}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "then the light has to go to the left or"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "to the right. And we can set up"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "telescopes here that measure whether it"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "went this way or that way. It's called"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "polarized light. And now suppose that"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "galaxy is halfway between. That means"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "that the light would have to make the"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "choice of whether to go left or right"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "half a billion years ago, 500 million"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "years ago. That's like time of the"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "dinosaurs or even earlier, right? Maybe"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "we're getting back even further short"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "single-sellled organisms. But what"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "quantum mechanics is telling us, it's"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "not it's not until the telescope"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "measures that light that that decision"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "of whether to go left or right, which is"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "like the two slits we were talking about"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "earlier, is made. So, are we in fact"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "choosing from one of multiple possible"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "pasts? And this ties to the idea of the"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "Mandela effect as well. It's easy for us"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "to think of multiple possible futures in"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "the sense that okay, if I go to live in"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "New York or I live in Los Angeles, those"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "are two different futures and I'll go"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "down two different paths. Uh but what if"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "this idea of the multiverse opens up a"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "whole graph of possibilities where we're"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "also choosing from previous u uh"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "previous events that we would think have"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "already happened. Now, if you play if"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "you've ever played a game like Minecraft"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "or Farmville, which was really popular,"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "uh what happens is you have these crops"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "and you're growing these crops and then"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "you log in the next day and you can see"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "what happened overnight. Did the crop"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "grow well? Did some locusts come? Uh did"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "it die? Was there a storm? Uh etc. But"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "what happens is that the computer is not"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "really sitting there growing your crops"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "cell by cell. It's only when you log"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "back in that the computer fills in what"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "happened over the previous say 24 hours"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:04", "text": ">> and it it uses probabilities and it runs"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "the process from probabilities. So there"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "it's possible there are multiple"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "possible past and it's not until you log"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "in that the past is being filled in. So"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "this is the idea that the world gets"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "generated on demand but also maybe the"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "past is being generated on demand. This"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "is one of the things that convinced me"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "we might really be in a simulation"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "because in video games we don't render"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "the whole world for you. Like if you"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "think of a game like World of Warcraft,"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "even now you and I are not really having"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "this conversation. I'm talking to my"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "computer and those bits are being"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "transferred to your computer and you are"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "rendering on your computer. You know"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "what I said and then you're talking back"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "to your computer and it's coming to me."}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "So, we're basically rendering virtually,"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "but you're not seeing all of Boston,"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "which is where I am, and I'm not seeing,"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "my computer is not rendering all of, you"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "know, whichever city you're in. Uh, it's"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "only rendering that which is needed for"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "our view and our avatar in the world."}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "And that reminded me a lot of quantum"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "mechanics where it chooses whether the"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "cat is alive or dead based upon when you"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "log in. That to me made it seem as if,"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "you know, we were in information based"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "reality that gets generated and gets"}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "rendered on demand as we need it, as"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "we're playing the game."}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:19", "text": ">> You mentioned dreams. I'm c I've been"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "curious about this. Uh, you know, when"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "we have these dreams, we have very vivid"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "dreams and my wife has very she's a very"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "vivid dreamer where she'll get sort of"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "answers to questions. I I think we all"}, {"end": "00:47:35", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "do maybe, but just how we tap into them"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "sometimes more aware than others, I"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:35", "text": "suppose. But, you know, there was a time"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "in my I'll just tell I I'll be open and"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "transparent"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "because I'm not afraid to uh share share"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "some stories. People can laugh at me if"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "they want, but you know, I was obsessed"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "with superheroes since I was a little"}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "kid. Of course, most young boys are uh"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "growing up reading Spider-Man and"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "Superman and so forth. And there was a"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "time, you know, you dream of like being"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "able to fly as a young as a young boy. I"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "mean, my son, for crying out loud,"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "wouldn't every shirt he wore had to have"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "a cape on it for like two years, you"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "know. um so obsessed with Superman. Now"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "he's 15 and he's still obsessed with"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "Superman. Anyway, uh I recall, you know,"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "dreams where I would try to fly and I I"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "could picture myself sort of taking off"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "and and and and flying but then sort of"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "crashing. I'd be running along the"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "street and taking off and sort of in"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "flight and then I would not, you know,"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "not be able to handle it. But after like"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "repeated nights of this and years of"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "sort of training of like flying in my"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "dreams, it was happening where I could"}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "just stand there in the middle of a"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "crowd and be like, \"Okay, thanks guys."}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "I've had a great afternoon with you, but"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "I'm going to I'm going home now.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "would just like lift off, lift right up,"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "and people I could see their faces in"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "the crowd were just shocked that oh my"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "gosh, he he knows how to fly in his"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "dreams, you know, wherever. and I would"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "just lift off and I'd be able to fly."}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "And it was still very difficult, but I"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "had much more control over it after like"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "years of practice training in my dreams."}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "So, I guess like how did dreams fit into"}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "all of this? And is that the simulation"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "or is that reality? And we're we're sort"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "of living in a fictitious world in our"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "awakened state."}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "And can I fly?"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:18", "text": ">> Yeah, that's a good question. Can you be"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "Neo? All right. Who flies in the Matrix?"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "And I think dreams are a really"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "interesting uh area because first of all"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "they're universal. Everybody has dreams"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "and many mystical traditions"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:34", "text": ">> um talk about dreams and they use dreams"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "as an analogy for the world. There's a"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "whole branch of Tibetan dream yoga where"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "the the goal is to learn to wake up"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "inside your dream or what's called lucid"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "dreaming in the west. But there there's"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "a spiritual component to what they're"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "doing. And the idea is you train"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "yourself to be able to recognize that"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "this is a dream and to not lose we we"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "sort of lose consciousness right as we"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "go from waking to sleeping and then when"}, {"end": "00:50:08", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "we wake up again we very quickly forget"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "our dreams. Uh and part of the trick is"}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:08", "text": "to try to remember there was a part of"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "you that's outside in bed asleep and if"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "you realize it then you can do things"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "like flying for example and uh I mean I"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "think you're not alone. Many of us have"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "tried to fly in our dreams. I actually"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "wrote about some of my lucid dream"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "experiences again in my previous books"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "about dreaming uh where I would use"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "flying as a lucidity test and by that"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "mean I meant if I can fly then this must"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "be a dream. If I can't fly then it might"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "be what we call waking reality and so it"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "becomes one of the characteristics of"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "that. Uh now if you look at so so in the"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "Tibetan dream yoga the idea is if you"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "can recognize within the dream world"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "that you're dreaming then in the phys in"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "waking reality you can also realize by"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "trying to remember through perhaps"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "shamanic exercises praying spiritual"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "exercises"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "you can remember in fact that there's a"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "part of you that's outside this physical"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "world and when you do then you know you"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "may be able to influence the world more."}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "In fact, you know, all of Buddhism is"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "based on this idea of becoming"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "enlightened. Uh and you have that in the"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "yogic traditions, but even in the"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "Christian traditions, you have the case"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "of uh St. Joseph of Certino um who"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "basically would while he was praying, he"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "would start rising up off the ground and"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "turns out thousands of people have have"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "witnessed this and they attested to it"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "when when the church went to try to"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "verify. Matter of fact, the guy they got"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "to go out and investigate it was like,"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "\"Ah, this can't be real.\" And he had"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "like so many people who had seen it like"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "in the town square and other places. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "and so, you know, this brings up the"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "idea that our our world as a simulation,"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "there may not only be glitches, there"}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "may be cheat codes or there may be"}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "advanced players who are able to affect"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "the simulation more so than the rest of"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "it, the rest of us. And there are"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "stories in all spiritual traditions of"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:06", "text": ">> you know levitating saints uh beings"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "with two bodies uh appearing in two"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "places at once or projecting. And so I"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "think all of this fits in. Now dreams"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "are interesting because on the one hand"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "we've all had ordinary dreams what the"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "Tibetans call a karmic trace dreams"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "where it's just you know something you"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "saw that day shows up in your dream and"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "it's kind of nonsensical. Other times"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "we've had clearer dreams. Uh and those"}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "are dreams where maybe we have more"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "control or or we can fly. We recognize"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "this. You know, we also have had dreams"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "where perhaps we've seen somebody who's"}, {"end": "00:52:43", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "passed away and we didn't know that"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "they've passed away. And that happens"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "way way more often than you would think"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "or we have a premonition of someone"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "who's about to pass away or you get a"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "message from someone. And I've had I've"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "had experiences like that as well, which"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "I consider to be different types of"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "glitches which have have made me look at"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "alternate explanations, you know, of of"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "of how this this whole thing might work."}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "Now, from a computer science"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "perspective, we have a process called"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "garbage collection. And what that does"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "is uh every process that you're running"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "on your computer um basically leaves"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "stuff in memory. And we don't really"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "clean it up because it takes too long."}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "We just leave it there uh until some"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "process runs that cleans up that memory."}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "And so ordinary dreams could be a kind"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "of garbage collection. But once that has"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "cleaned up that memory, then we may be"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "tapping back into what I call our"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "player. And every dream is like a little"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "simulation. If you think of it, if you"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "lay out all the the 10 stages of the"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "simulation point, we can create a world"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "that's indistinguishable from physical"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "reality with AI characters or NPCs that"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "are indistinguishable from real people"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "uh that we can enter and we forget"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "there's a world outside because it's so"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "immersive. All of those are true of"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "dreams. It happens to us every night."}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "So, I think of dreams as little"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "simulations, but you can also think of"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "dreams as a great metaphor. uh and in"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "fact many yogis have tried to update"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "these old metaphors. So the dream"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "metaphor is one Shakespeare talked about"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "the world being a stage. Swami Yogananda"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "who wrote a a book called autobiography"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "of a yogi he came over from India in"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "1920 and that book was like Steve Jobs"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "favorite book and you know the Beatles"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "would George Harrison and the Beatles"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "would give it out"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:19", "text": ">> on my you read it. Yeah. So"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:21", "text": ">> yeah."}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. Great. So you know he tells"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "all kinds of stories of of yogis with"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "with with paranormal we would call"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "paranormal abilities. But when he came"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "to the US, he tried to update for"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "American readers uh some of the old"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "metaphors. And he said, \"Well, the the"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "world is like a film projector and the"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "characters on the screen, they're"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "suffering and they might die, but the"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "actors aren't dying. The actors are"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "still there.\" And so he's he tried to"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "tell his students to look away from the"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "light. I mean look away from the screen"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "and look at the projector of the light"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "and to think of yourself as being actors"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "in a in a movie. And today I actually"}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "wrote a book about Swami Yogananda"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "called Wisdom of a Yogi a few years ago."}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "Harper Collins India asked me to write"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "it and I said are you sure you want me"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "to write it? I mean I write about"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "simulation theory. I write about"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "computer science. I write about"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "entrepreneurship. And they said, \"No,"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "because we think your analogy of of a"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "video game is a way to introduce these"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "ideas to a whole new generation of"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "readers in of these ancient, you know,"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "yogic ideas.\" And so I honestly think if"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "he were alive today, he would say the"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "world is like a movie, but we're in the"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "audience, but we're also watching"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "ourselves, but we're also playing the"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "parts. We have a script, but we can"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "change the script, and we talk to each"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "other about the script. So, it's like an"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "online massively multiplayer online role"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "playing game. So I think that is the"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "best uh the best metaphor for reality"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "which relates to these older metaphors"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "that come to us in the scriptures in the"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "Bible in the Quran but also through"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "yogic texts and yogic practice."}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:52", "text": ">> It's remarkable. There was a woman and"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "I'll get you out of here on this"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "professor which is I saw the other day a"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "woman posted online and she said it's"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "incredibly frustrating to"}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "be aware that there is a matrix and to"}, {"end": "00:56:11", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "live outside of it. And she, it was like"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "a 3minute little clip, but she was"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:11", "text": "lamenting the fact that she said, \"When"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "I know that money is fake, when I know"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "that all of this is just theater, it's"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "hard to operate kind of within that"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "world.\" She's like, to go to a job every"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "day to know that it's all a simulation,"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "that there's a matrix, that the money is"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "fake, that the the the chaos is fake,"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "all of it is being manipulated. and she"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "said, you know, when you've sort of"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "broken out of that, uh, I guess she's"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "been, you know, red pill in a way, but"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "maybe even beyond that, how do you then"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "play in the game? How do you still go to"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "the parent teacher conferences? How do"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "you still go to that job and sit in two"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:49", "text": "hours of traffic every day if you are"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "aware that it is all a game? How can you"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "deal with that? Is that that was her"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "sort of her frustration and I don't know"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "if I'm echoing it properly or not, but"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "what do you think about that?"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "Well, yeah. I think that that that's a"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "real um that could be a real concern."}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "That said, I think there is a purpose"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "for us forgetting when we come and so"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "when we come into this world, uh"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "forgetting that we're in uh a virtual"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "reality or a type of hoax and that is"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "because uh well, first of all, that's"}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "represented in a metaphorical way. In"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "the Greek traditions, you have lee,"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "which is the river of forgetfulness. And"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "as you incarnate, you have to cross that"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "river and you kind of forget about stuff"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "and then you cross it when you go back."}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "And in the Chinese traditions, they have"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "Mang Po, the goddess of forgetfulness."}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "And in the Sufi traditions, they have"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "the 70,000 veils and you basically"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "forget as the veils go up. Uh and so"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "there may be a reason for that, which is"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "that we can get in here and actually"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "play the game and react uh based on what"}, {"end": "00:57:59", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "happens and and we we can make choices"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "based upon what's here. But that's one"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:59", "text": "reaction you could have to it. Another"}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "reaction you can have to it though is"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "also that perhaps when you go through"}, {"end": "00:58:09", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "difficulties which happens to all of us."}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "I mean we have financial difficulties,"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:09", "text": "we have relationship difficulties,"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "physical difficulties, physical"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "disabilities,"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "uh we go through you know these major uh"}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "challenges in our lives and if we think"}, {"end": "00:58:24", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "of it as a type of quest or an"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "achievement that is just ramped up in"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "the difficulty level uh that gives us"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "some perspective I think and can help us"}, {"end": "00:58:35", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "deal with challenging situations. Uh but"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "you know, if you're in the game, there"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:35", "text": "must be a reason you're here. Uh so"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "perhaps we're here to, you know, enjoy"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "enjoy win quotes because this isn't"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "exactly uh always an enjoyable world,"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "but that's part of the reason why you"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "play the game. I mean, when actors win"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "an Oscar,"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "they don't win for, you know, a role"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "that's where everything goes right"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "necessarily. It's the challenging roles."}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "It's the ones that overcome"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "difficulties. That's what makes our uh"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "the stories interesting. And I think if"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "we think of our our lives as a series of"}, {"end": "00:59:11", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "challenges that can give us a sense of"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "meaning even within this kind of a a"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:11", "text": "simulated world if you will."}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:14", "text": ">> Yeah. I always tell my kids we only you"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "only grow through discomfort you know um"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "a plant sort of under stress without the"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "water in in in those situations. Those"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "are the things that make us grow and"}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "mature as human beings. Um I guess you"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "know bottom line it for us professor"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "would you say categorically yes in fact"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "we are living in a simulation."}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "Well I think it's much more likely than"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "not that we're living in a simulation."}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "And even when I had originally started"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "writing about this back in 2019 I would"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "have put the percentage at like 50% and"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "now I say it's 70% or more. And you know"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "the reasons are the development of"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "technology but also all of these other"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "things we've discussed today which is"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "various glitches in the matrix that"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "occur as well. So I I think it's more"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "likely we're in a simulated universe"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "that consists of information and it"}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "appears to us as if it's a real physical"}, {"end": "01:00:13", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "universe when in fact it's not."}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:11", "text": ">> My guest has been Professor Rizwan Verk."}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:13", "text": "The book is called the simulation"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "hypothesis."}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "Go and pick it up."}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:18", "text": ">> Dive into it. There it is. the second"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "edition out now updated"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:23", "text": ">> with all the AI, all the craziness with"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "AI that we're dealing with now."}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:27", "text": ">> Um, Professor, great to see you. Thank"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "you so much for joining us. I I want to"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "have you back. We'll do we'll do a"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "bigger deep dive at some point, but I I"}, {"end": "01:00:38", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "just I I'm thrilled to be able to have"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "you here on the show. Thank you so much."}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:38", "text": ">> Thanks so much for having me and I'd be"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "happy to be on. There's a lot of other"}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "subjects I'm sure we can get into like"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "UFOs and other things also."}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:45", "text": ">> Oh, for sure. Yeah, my my brain is"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "running with all sorts of ideas, but for"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "now, we'll leave it here with simulation"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "and uh we'll have you back real soon."}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "Thank you so much."}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "Next."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Well, my next guest says that Christians"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "should put their faith in no man-made"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "government and has been critical of"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "neoconservative foreign policy and very"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "skeptical of this Israel as a sacred cow"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "rhetoric. His book Mere Christendom is"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "one of the most I want to call it the"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "most ariodite arguments for Christianity"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "that I've ever read. It pushed me which"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "is why I've been really looking forward"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "to speaking with Douglas Wilson for a"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "long time now. We are in a time when"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "most tele politicians tell us that we"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "have to support Israel because of the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Bible. And I would like to understand"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "how people of faith interpret that into"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "an excuse for war. He warned about"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "politicians putting themselves and their"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "politics over God and the Bible. Now,"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "this week, many self-professed"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "Christians visited Israel and told us"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "they have to support Israel because the"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "Bible says so. So recently, Ted Cruz"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "told Tucker Carlson this. And Tucker"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "asked him, \"Is the Israel in the Bible"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "the same as this man-un government?\" And"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "here is how Ted Cruz fumbled that ball."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "Growing up in Sunday school, I was"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "taught from the Bible, those who bless"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "Israel will be blessed. And those who"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "curse Israel will be cursed. And from my"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "perspective, I want to be on the"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "blessing side of things of the those who"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "bless the government of Israel."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": ">> Those who bless Israel is what it"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "doesn't say the government of. It says"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "the nation of Israel. So that's in the"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "Bible. As a Christian, I believe that."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Where is that?"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": ">> I I can find it to you. I I don't have"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "the the scripture off the tip of my You"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "pull out the phone and use the"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": ">> It's in Genesis. But so you're quoting a"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "a Bible phrase. You don't have context"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "for it and you don't know where in the"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Bible it is, but that's like your"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "theology. I'm confused."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": ">> What does that even mean,"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": ">> Tucker?"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": ">> I'm a Christian. I want to know what"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "you're talking about."}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": ">> Where does where does my support for"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "Israel come from? Number one, because"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "biblically we are commanded to support"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "Israel. But number two,"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": ">> hold on. No, not hold on. You're a"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "senator and now you're throwing out"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "theology and I am a Christian and I am"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "allowed to weigh in on this."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:59", "text": ">> We are commanded as Christians support"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "the government of Israel."}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": ">> We are commanded to support Israel and"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "we're"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:04", "text": ">> told those who bless Israel will be"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "blessed."}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": ">> But what? Hold on. Define Israel. This"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "is important. Are you kidding? I This"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "This is a majority Christian country."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Define Israel. Could Do you not know"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "what Israel is? That would be the"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "country you've asked like 49 questions"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "about. So that's what Genesis ref that's"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "what God is talking about the nation of"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "Israel. Yes the and he's so is that the"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "current borders the current leadership"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "he's talking about the political entity"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "called Israel."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": ">> Okay. Now Pastor Wilson I'm very excited"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "to meet you. Thank you so much for"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "coming on Redacted. I want to see if I"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "understood your book correctly. So I"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "have a few questions and if you'll"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "forgive me I'm going to keep talking"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "before I hand it over to you. As I"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "understand your writings, you warn that"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "a moral society requires Christianity"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "because if there's no God above the"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "state, the state becomes the God and we"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "are then a slave to the state. So it"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "feels to me like politicians are playing"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "out their will in the name of God. And I"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "think that what from my observation,"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "there are two categories of Christian"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "Zionists. The ones that sort of blindly"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "follow Trump and those who believe that"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "there's a biblical mandate to support"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "Israel because of the Bible. You call"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "this a synratism. I've never heard this"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "word before, so I put up the definition."}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "It's the blending of two belief systems"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "like politics and religion. So, can we"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "please deal with that in this order? Um,"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "and now I will let you talk and and"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "again say how happy I am to talk to you"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "and maybe you can tell us what is"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "Christian Zionism and is it in fact"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "biblical?"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": ">> Oh, you're muted."}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "Is he muted on purpose, guys?"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": ">> There we go. There we go. Yep. Gotcha."}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "Good to be with you. Um, it's Christian"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "Zionism is a particular theological"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "construct that grows out of"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "dispensationalism."}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "Dispensationalism teaches that there is"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "a prophetic role still to be played by"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "Israel as an ethnic u entity. Right? So"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "um dispensationalists regard the u the"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "re the founding of Israel in 1948 as"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "resetting the prophetic clock so that a"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "lot of the prophecies that are contained"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "in the old testament will now start"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "coming true now that Israel has returned"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "to the land. Okay. So they believe they"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "believe that Israel had a right to"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "return to that territory simply because"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "they were Jews. Okay. So God promised"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "Abraham that territory and so the uh"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Jews had the right to go back to that"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "territory. So that's a theological"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "argument for uh the Israelis to have"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "that territory. But I would want I want"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "to make a distinction between uh"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "Christian Zionism or any form of Zionism"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "actually and the de facto reality of"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "Israel there. Now, uh, and the way I"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "illust the the way I illustrate that is"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "I don't agree with the 19th century"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "doctrine of manifest destiny at all."}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Right? The idea that the United States"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "was inevitably going to march toward the"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "Pacific Ocean. The continent was ours by"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "right. Um, every everybody with eyes in"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "their head could see that this was our"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "manifest destiny. So, I don't agree with"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "that doctrine at all. But I live in"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "Idaho,"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "right? So, um, the my deacto presence in"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "Idaho is I'm here because somebody 150"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "years ago believed in manifest destiny."}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Even though I don't, right?"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:42", "text": ">> You didn't do it."}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": ">> I didn't do it. And here I am."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": ">> We don't live with the consequences of"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "former governments. That's why we live"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "in these places. We can't be blamed."}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": ">> So, someone could say, and I'm I find"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "myself in this position. I'm not a"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "Christian Zionist at all because"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "reformed covenantal theology which I"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "adhere to uh holds that the church, the"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "Christian church is Israel. Now um uh"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "this is disparaged sometimes is it's"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "sometimes called replacement theology."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "Uh but it's the the idea that the church"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "is the heir of all the promises of the"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "Old Testament. So uh and the the New"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "Testament has a great controversy. Do"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "you ha can you do you have to become a"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "Jew in order to become a Christian? The"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 said no you"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "don't. Which opened the door wide to"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "Gentiles coming into the new"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "commonwealth of Israel. Now over time"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "the new Israel became predominantly"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "Gentile and those Jews who uh believed"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "in Christ as the Messiah were gradually"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "assimilated into this new heavily"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "Gentile church. And the the Jews who"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "retained their Jewish identity did so by"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "maintaining a stiff resistance against"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "believing Jesus as the Messiah. 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So that's but in"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "the Bible, you always have Jews"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "returning to the Lord first and then to"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "the land. And the the modern state the"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "the modern state of Israel is secular."}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "Um you've it's not it's it's not a"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "religious state, it's a secular state."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "And that creates all kinds of"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "interesting challenges. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "they've got the ultra orthodox Jews um"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "there in Israel who are uh they have the"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "swing vote in many elections because"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "that's what the parliamentary system"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "does. Uh so they have a lot of outsized"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "influence, but the state itself is a"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "secular state and that puts uh an"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "interesting spin on everything. So,"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "someone might um support the the right"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "of Israel to defend itself, which I do,"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "without dragging the promise to Abraham"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "into it."}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Well, you guys know I've been railing"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "against these huge tech companies that"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "want to own everything about us. They"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "don't just want our money. They want to"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "know everything about you. 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You warn about this at"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "politicians who sort people who see"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "politicians as Jesus or as their"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "religion. I brought this clip from your"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "book. You said if you have a flag with"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "Jesus on it and Jesus is wearing a MAGA"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "hat, then you're guilty of this"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "synretatism. You need to topple these"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "deities. And so it's a lot like what's"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "happening here is that people just have"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "this blind allegiance to Trump and so"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "they will support the war if he says so."}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "uh the same that happens"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": ">> when I saw the clip of uh looking at the"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "clip of Mike Johnson that you showed and"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "Ted Cruz, it's just very clear that they"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "grew up in a dispensational context"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "where they simply say support for Israel"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "is biblically mandated. Well, in every"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "Israeli election, half of the Israeli"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "population doesn't support Israel."}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "They're they're divided just like we"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "are. And a lot of the people uh so uh"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "you this is one of the places where I"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "thought that Tucker was playing hard"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "ball and a little unfair with Cruz"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "because Cruz was wanting to say you"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "support Israel and Tucker was saying you"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "have to support the government of"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "Israel. No, I could even if I were a"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "Christian Zionist, I might be appalled"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "at the next Israeli prime minister that"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "was elected and think that, you know, so"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "I might be opposed to the government of"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "Israel while supporting the long-term"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "health of Israel. And someone who"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "supports Israel's right to defend itself"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "on practical grounds doesn't have to"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "support the current administration of"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "Israel at all. Um, sure. Or a or a"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "particular policy that they're pursuing"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "in Gaza or the West Bank or anything"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "like that."}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": ">> So, you take them at their word for it"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "because I guess when I hear them saying"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "this, I hear they're playing politics"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "because they want a war, but you think"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "that it's sincere. They think that this"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "is a real biblical interpretation."}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, you have to"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "understand that North American"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "evangelicalism is overwhelmingly"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "dispensational."}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "It's just it's just part of the"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "wallpaper of the Christian mind in North"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "America. So, I don't think that they"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "were being insincere in what they were"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "saying at all. Now, they they may um uh"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "support uh war or support what Israel is"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "doing on other grounds in addition, but"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "I I would have no grounds for"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "questioning the sincerity of those"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "statements at face value because there"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "are millions of Christians in North"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "America who would talk just like that,"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "who would who um that sounded very"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "familiar. Let's just put it that way."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": ">> Okay. So what do you make of young"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "people rejecting Christian Zionism or"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "thinking that this does not it it should"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "not come with a foreign policy agenda."}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "We see collapse among young people who"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "support this war who maybe they can see"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "the difference between politics and"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "religion whereas an older generation"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "cannot. What do you make of that?"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:40", "text": ">> Yeah. So if you have a a decent policy"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "or a sane policy that rests upon a false"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "premise uh when the false premise gives"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "way then a lot of things might give way"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "with it. So um I I believe that young"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "young people even young ostensible"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "conservatives are uh coming of age"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "politically in the postcoid world and"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "there are a lot of people who have come"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "to the conclusion that I need to not"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "believe anything any government official"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "is telling me."}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": ">> Um basically"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": ">> a smart place to start."}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "I would say that's a good I would say"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "that's a good baseline. As long as"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "you're not bitter or cynical or full of"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "malice, it's a good idea to stop"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "believing the government. Um over the"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "last 5 years, uh virtually every"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "American institution that used to"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "command high levels of trust has"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "discredited itself. whether it's the"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "universities or the center for disease"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "control or the military or the"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "intelligent intelligence agencies I mean"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "it's just been one face plant after"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "another and so consequently a lot of"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "young people are it's like they're it's"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "like they're in freef fall um all the"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "supports that that enabled previous"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "generations to feel at least oriented or"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "secure in where they were all of that's"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "gone and uh and about the only thing"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "they have is some guy they found on the"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "internet."}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "And so consequently, they're blown. I"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "think their their temptation is going to"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "be to be blown about by every wind of"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "doctrine because uh Chesterton didn't"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "say this, but he should have. Uh if a"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "man doesn't stand for something, he'll"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "fall for anything. Um and I think that"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "that's a I think that that's the"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "position that many people are in. and uh"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "the establishment uh let them down"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "basically. And if you want people to if"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "you want people to quit chasing after"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "conspiracy theories, I would say to the"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "establishment, well then stop telling"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "lies."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "But your book makes the point that no"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "man-un government can ever be put before"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "your God or Jesus Christ. They must be"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "in service to God. And we don't have"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "that. But we do have young people"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "turning to Christianity more. So could"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "could we spin this in any kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "positive way saying they no longer"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "believe in these man-made structures. So"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "they're looking for a deity above that"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "and maybe they're finding it and"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "rejecting man-made structures. So maybe"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "there's hope in the young people."}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": ">> No, I I do think it's hopeful. I do"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "think it's a good thing. I just think"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "that if you look at the last 2,000 years"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "of church history, almost all good"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "things were incredibly messy."}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "Right. Right. Good things does not mean"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "fluffy clouds and unicorns and rainbows."}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "Uh good things are often"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:49", "text": ">> uh tumultuous and challenging and"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "courage is required and hard study and"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "you know so I think that that's I think"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "we're in that kind of a position now."}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "And some people uh there there have been"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "great reformations and revivals in the"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "past and some people destroyed"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "themselves in it and some people found"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "their way in it. And I'm uh trusting God"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "that this that he's uh writing a good"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "story. Uh I'm I'm fond of saying that"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "God draws straight with crooked lines"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:24", "text": ">> he uses broken people. He um he and I"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "think he cares for us. And so"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "consequently, a lot of the young people"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "who are turning back to the church,"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "turning back to Christ or are searching,"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "they're they're searchers. I think that"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "that's an opportunity that people who"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "are established Christians should take"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "full advantage of. And the but the thing"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "the main thing that I would say is don't"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "follow haters,"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "right? Don't don't follow haters. Um,"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "find people who preach and teach from"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "the Bible, who know how to build"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "community and live in community, who"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "even if they differ with um some"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "particular policy, they're they're not"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "consumed with, you know, venom or or"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "animosity,"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "um they, you know, I' I'd like to talk"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "about MANA. Ma, make America normal"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "again."}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "Okay. Well, thank you for that. I really"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "appreciate your interpretation. Uh I've"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "been, like I said, looking forward to"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "speaking with you since I read your"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "book, and I really liked it. And so, I"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "have so many more highlights that maybe"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "you can come back and talk to me about"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "some other time."}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:38", "text": ">> If you if you want to pursue this"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "further, I I did write another book"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "called American Milk and Honey, and it's"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "on the whole it's on the whole Israel"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "thing. Americanism, Zionism, the the"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "whole deal. And it's it's a challenging"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "subject, not an easy one, but I I do"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "think the Bible teaches uh on the"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "subject directly. So, I appreciate the"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "opportunity to talk with y'all."}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:02", "text": ">> I'll read it and come back to you."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "Please come back."}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": ">> All right. Good blessings. Thank you so"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "much."}]

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So, the three of them coming"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "together next week in the United Arab"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "Emirates, hosted by the president of the"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "UAE. This is a peace summit by all"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "accounts. You could say it was pressured"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "in part by President Trump's 10-day, you"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "know, deadline about tariffs already"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "putting a 50% tariff in place for"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "Russian oil purchases on India. So, how"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "much more painful could this have been?"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Would Russia have really cared about the"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "sanctions? Hard to say. They've managed"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "to avoid and deal with any of these"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "sanctions from the beginning. Yesterday,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "we got our clearest sign yet, though,"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "that there is a real chance for peace"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "after Trump's envoy, Steve Whit, went to"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Moscow, delivered Trump's message. We"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "don't exactly know what the substance of"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "that message was. I've been trying to"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "find out from insiders. We don't know"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "the full extent of that message, but the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "message was received and apparently the"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "framework that was delivered was agreed"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "upon by Russia as quotequote favorable"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "to the Russian side. What exactly does"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "that mean? And again, we don't know. U"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "we're going to unpack that a little bit"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "further in a minute um as we talk about"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "that. But first, Russian President Putin"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "was just asked about this upcoming trip"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "during this meeting and he said, \"Many"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "friends are willing to help us resolve"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "this conflict.\" Listen."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "Foreign"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "So the UAE will be the sight of it."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "Zalinsky will be there. Will he be"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "there? Zalinsky, he was asked, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "is he going to be there? Well, we've"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "said he's more than welcome to."}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "He doesn't need to be. He doesn't need"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "to be because he doesn't hold any of the"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "cards."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "He could send an email. That could be an"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "email."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "He could send one of his lackeyis. It"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "doesn't matter because the terms of this"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "agreement will be set by Putin and with"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "help from the United States in this, but"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "it's really going to be dictated by the"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "Russian side. Um, and Putin holds all"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "the cards. As we've said repeatedly here"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "on the show, Russia is winning on the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "battlefield. The Ukrainian military is"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "collapsing. They're conscripting now 60"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "year olds, 14y olds. NATO is fractured."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "Zalinsky is panicking. And Trump and"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "Witoff had come to terms with that"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "reality. Russia is writing the terms of"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "this deal. Make no mistake about it. And"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "not the Pentagon, not NATO, and"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "certainly not the Biden holdovers"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "whispering in Zalinsk's ear. They have"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "no power anymore. They can drag this"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "thing out for as long as they want. But"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "Zalinsk's favorable numbers inside of"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "Ukraine have absolutely crumbled."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "Protests on the street. Moms fighting"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "back against the conscription of their"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "children into vans. And here's where"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "things though get really interesting to"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "in my personal opinion because just"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "hours ago, the Kremlin officially"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "confirmed Trump and Putin will happen in"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "the coming days. Right on queue though,"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "Trump's new tariffs on dozens of"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "countries just went into effect. So all"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "of this happening the same same at the"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "same time. But some of the West are"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "calling this pressure tactic on"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "America's so-called allies who've been"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "quietly funding Ukraine's war efforts"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "behind the scenes, especially Germany,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "France, and the Netherlands. I'm seeing"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "it as economic warfare, maybe with like"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "a peace prize kind of built into it. At"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "the end of all of this, Trump is showing"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "his cards. He's playing ball on peace."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "Play ball on peace or get hit with these"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "tariffs. 50% tariffs to India for buying"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Russian oil and oh, also maybe buying"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Russian weapons. If Trump pulls this"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "off, he'll be able to do something no"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "Western leader has come close to, which"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "is ending this war in Ukraine by"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "talking, not by sending more weapons."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "But he's doing that, too."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Yeah. Well, there are still more weapons"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "flowing through his NATO proxies, but"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "not ones that he actually"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "because Congress shoved it into the"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "defense."}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Exactly. He didn't ask for it,"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "right? So,"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "but he has not made an effort to when"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "when the Trump administration cut them"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "off of cut Ukraine off of intelligence,"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "Ukraine panicked and we opened that back"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "up. So, it's not like we're actually"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "stopping support for Ukraine. And I, you"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "know, I think most of us think the"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "president does have more cards, could"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "actually do that, but has not actually"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "done it yet, which I would have liked to"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "have seen."}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "So, neocons hate this to be clear."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "Again, that's why they're funneling more"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "weapons into Ukraine, even as we're"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "trying to put this peace deal together."}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "Just glance at social media neocons over"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "the past 48 hours, saying that Trump is"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "buckling to Putin."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "Who cares?"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "Why should you meet with Putin, you"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "know, until he gives back all that land"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "that he took from the Ukrainians, you"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "shouldn't have a peace talk with him."}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "They say while standing next to"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "Netanyahu, who is taking all of Gaza for"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "himself? Why are you talking to Putin?"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "Here's Netanyahu, my bestie, who has"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "annexed an entire country now."}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "I mean,"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "am I the only one who literally like"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "grits his teeth when he sees Mike Pompeo"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "post on X?"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "No, you're not the only one. You're not"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "the only one. He Nikki Haley, I don't"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "want to hear from Mike Pence, Nikki"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Haley, Lindsey Graham, any of the other"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "neocons who actively want this war to"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "continue. So, the wararm mongers in"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "Washington and Brussels are already"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "foaming at the mouth. They're furious"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "about this. They want this war to drag"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "on. Peace talks. They want to collapse."}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "This is bad for business. This is bad"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "for the military-industrial complex, of"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "course, especially if Trump and Putin"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "bypass them entirely. So, the question"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "is, can Trump close this deal next week?"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "All the groundwork has been laid. The"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "scaffolding is there. It's quite"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "reasonable. the deal that was given to"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "the Russian side, does that include all"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "of the land that they have already"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "acquired that was, you know, eth ethnic"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Russians, Crimea, Donbos, Luhansk,"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "um, Dyetsk,"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "we'll see next week, can Trump close it"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "or um, I don't know, but I think next"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "week is going to be huge."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "But you see Zilinsky, if you follow him"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "on X or any of his platforms, he's"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "hedging his bets. Every hour there's a"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "picture of him on his cell phone saying,"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "\"I spoke to Ursula Vanderland or Maruta"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "or Victor Orban or whatever, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "Western leader or American leader and we"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "agreed Russia's the aggressor. We want"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "peace but only peace through honesty."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "It's all the same bull crap that he"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "keeps hedging his bets because he wants"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "no peace agreement so that this can"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "continue and he can pretend as if he has"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "some role in it, which he doesn't. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "really the two people we need to meet"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "will meet."}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "Can we see the front of the phone in the"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "pictures, please? So we can, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "that's what I was just like a photo"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "shoot of like 30 photos of him on the"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "phone."}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "Exactly. All right, let's talk about"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "Israel now. Benjamin Netanyahu wants"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "American soldiers to occupy and fight in"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "Gaza as part of his ethnic cleansing of"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Gaza plan. So will Americans support"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "this? Will you be happy to send American"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "forces to Gaza? you know, not just the"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "special forces that have already been"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "there and sort of facilitating things,"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "but I mean I mean I'm talking real like"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "occupation forces to keep the peace."}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "Would you do that? So, tonight at 6 p.m."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "Israel time, just a few hours ago,"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "Benjamin Netanyahu convened his security"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "cabinet to approve a massive new"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "offensive plan in Gaza. The Israeli"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "government's plan to escalate military"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "operations in Gaza involve the ethnic"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "cleansing of the Palestinian civilian"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "population of Gaza City specifically and"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "Gaza's central refugee camps. Um, wet"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "has reported that Israel plans to push"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "the civilian population out of the area"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "and direct them to the south, probably"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "into Egypt in an effort to prompt them"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "to leave Gaza altogether. Um, Israeli"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "officials and Prime Minister Netanyahu"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "told us back in May that their ultimate"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "goal is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza,"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "the Gaza Strip, which they call"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "voluntary migration."}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "Under what weird world do you live in?"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "If you ask the Palestinians, is this"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "like voluntary migration?"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "We never wanted to be here in the first"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "place."}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "Here's voluntary. We're going to launch"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "a chance to live in the Bahamas like I"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "always wanted."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "We're going to launch an RPG at this"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "spot over here. Do you want to"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "voluntarily stand there or stand over"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "here? So, it's voluntary that you don't"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "want to stand in the spot where we're"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "about to bomb and blow everything up."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "Okay, that's voluntary. Voluntary"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "migration. Laughable. Um, where would"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "the Palestinian population time they did"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "this?"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "I mean, where are they going to go?"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "Romania? They're going to go into Egypt"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "permanently. According to the IDF, they"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "believe this new military offensive is"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "expected to take months. According to"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "the IDF, the IDF is warning that would"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "lead to heavy Israeli casualties. and"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "they're warning that any remaining"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "Israeli hostages would likely be killed."}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "Did you hear me? Let's pause there for a"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "moment. Imagine if you're the family of"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "those hostages and you're being told by"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "the IDF, you're being told by the"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "Netanyahu government that they expect"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "your loved ones to be killed. Of course,"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "Israel's Hannibal directive is clear in"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "this matter. It has been. You probably,"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "you guys all know about the Hannibal"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "directive. You're smart. You're a smart"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "audience. It was put in place by Israel"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "in the 1980s by the IDF. Its purpose was"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "to prevent Israeli soldiers from being"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "captured alive by enemy forces. In other"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "words, even if it meant killing the"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "captured soldier in the process or"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "response. So, Israel doesn't care about"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "their missing soldiers. It's part of the"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "plan. Of course, the Hannibal directive"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "was ordered on October 7th as part of"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "the plan. Friend of the show, Dan Cohen,"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "has covered this extensively. Israeli"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "soldiers were told to stand down, not"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "fight back for hours on purpose."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "Israelis were captured. Israeli is"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "Israel ordered air strike. This air"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "strikes that killed its own people. So"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "the plan begins now. No more worrying"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "about hostages. One Israeli official"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "told Yet that quote the intention is to"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "conquer Gaza. End quote. And what about"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "American forces? Well, General Mike"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "Flynn, Steve Bannon have a thought on"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "that. The worst is right now in Israel"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "where the IDF has said, you know, uh for"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "political reasons. Uh Netanyahu's come"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "up with that we got to occupy Gaza right"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "now. And this is going to be like this"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "Iranian situation where they can't"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "finish what they started. They he is"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "looking for American troops to come in"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "and be part of that because the IDF"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "doesn't have it. Who tells me that? Not"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "Steve Bannon, not Breitbart, not General"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "Flynn. Times of Israel and the Jerusalem"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Post are saying they're at each other's"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "throats in these meetings where the IDF"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "is sitting the general sitting there"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "going, \"Dude, my troops are worn out. I"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "can't even take down Hamas right now"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "militarily. We're struggling to do that."}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "I can't occupy a thing with millions of"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "people. It'll be worth 10 times worse"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "than Iraq.\""}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "Yeah. So, who's going to do it? American"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "forces. 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The Pentagon has awarded10"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "billion dollars to Palunteer to"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "consolidate all of its tracking software"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "into one AI platform. That's right,"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "Palanteer, the company known for"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "building surveillance tools that don't"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "just track military movement, but also"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "us as well. Uh here is this new $10"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "billion contract by the Department of"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "Defense. They're saying they're m done."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "What they want to be done is to take 75"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "separate software tools and streamline"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "it into one system. And they're pick to"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "do this is Palunteer. They say no one"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "else can do the job. You might be"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "thinking, well, that seems like it's"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "illegal because you can't just award a"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "government contract to one company"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "without open bids, right? People go to"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "jail for this. Well, US law does in fact"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "require open bidding for federal"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "contracts under the Competition in"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "Contracting Act. But the Pentagon here"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "is saying, \"No, we can't open this up."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "Only Palunteer can do it.\" Look how they"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "wrote this. Literally, only Palunteer"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "can direct this full suite of commercial"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "solutions. This doesn't mean they say"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "that they won't be competitive on future"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "programs. But how can anyone ever"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "compete with Palunteer on they once"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "they've built everything? That makes no"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "sense. That's like saying, \"Well, only"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "Bob the Builder can build my house, but"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "once the house is built, we'll take"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "competitive contracts or open bids.\""}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "Makes no sense. So clearly, this is a"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "government-run monopoly on the software"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "that they want. And they know intimately"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "because Palunteer was never just a tech"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "vendor. It's always been an intelligence"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "contractor. Now, when you hear"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "palunteer, what people mostly worry"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "about, not just tracking what they say"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "is troops, military equipment, food,"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "supply chains. It's also about tracking"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "people. US uh they already have been"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "using this to track anyone they think is"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "an immigrant. They have a contract with"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "ICE that was made public earlier this"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "year for software what they say is to"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "track self-deportations and gang"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "members. Do you think this is not a drag"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "net for American citizens? If you"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "actually believe that, I would like to"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "introduce you to someone named Edward"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "Snowden. Uh, now think about how all of"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "this government surveillance software,"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "this exclusive government contract,"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "which is again typically illegal, but a"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "carve out for Palanteer. And now look"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "how Palanteer software is performing uh"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "on the marketplace. It stock is up 600%"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "since last year. On Monday, they"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "reported their best ever earnings with"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "more than $1 billion in revenue in the"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "second quarter, which was a 53% growth"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "from US government contracts. Our money,"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "taxpayer num money. So, they're doing"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "gang busters on taxpayer dollars for"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "software that tracks us and there's no"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "one that can compete with them because"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "the government says no. So, how do you"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "like that?"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "Do you like that?"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "No. A lot of people in our chat say, you"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "know, Palunteer. Yeah, it was $10."}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "Remember, it was $10 a share. I was"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "trying to put this up on the screen, but"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "I couldn't. Um, anyway, $10 a share now."}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "It's up over whatever hundred some"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "dollars a share. So, people are raking"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "in the money on this. Good."}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "What were you going to say, Philillip?"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "Oh, just wasn't sort of like JD Vance"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "kind of backed by Palunteer."}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "To begin with, like Peter Teal. It's odd"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "that the government would just bypass"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "all competitive contracts"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "in that way for Palunteer,"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "right? I'm not literally people"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "think someone was your friend and got a"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "government contract through you. Like"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "the government prosecutes people for"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "that but not in this in"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "well and the big gold dome I mean the"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "gold dome is hands and hands as someone"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "points out in our chat too. Um you know"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "the golden dome is going to be palunteer"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "architected and of course this big push"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "for drone technology as well will also"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "be architected in in part by the"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "biometric scanning and all of that. So,"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "exactly. Someone in the chat says,"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "\"Maybe I just got to stop using the"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "internet altogether,"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "right?\""}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "I mean, but they they have license plate"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "tracking software, too. So, what are you"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "going to do about that? They can track"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "you driving around. Uh, so good luck"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "with that. Okay. Well, the US and Israel"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "are arming the guys looting the aid"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "trucks in Gaza. And it's not Hamas. That"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "is not conspiracy theory. That is"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "reporting from the Washington Post. This"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "man you see here is named Yaser Abu"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "Shabbab. He describes himself as a"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "humanitarian and a liberator, but inside"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "Gaza, he's known as a gang leader. He's"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "been accused of running aid looting"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "organizations, stealing and smuggling"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "what was sent by the United Nations. So,"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "when Israel says Hamas steals the aid,"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "they know that's not true because they"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "work with the groups who are stealing"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "the aid. This has been going on and"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "reported for over a year. Last year, the"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "Post reported that these armed gangs"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "operate in Israel controlled zones where"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "the IDF either looks the other way or"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "offers logistical support for the theft"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "of aid. Isn't that crazy? The Netanyahu"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "government says, \"Well, yeah, we support"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "groups that uh are against Hamas because"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "we're aligned. We're against Hamas.\""}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "Netanyahu said, \"What's so wrong with"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "that?\" But again, what they're doing is"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "helping this aid be taken so that they"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "can scapegoat Hamas, which needs no"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "help, right? So, Israeli forces,"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "according to the Post, have refrained"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "from interfering when Abu Shab and his"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "men show up with AK-47s. Where do you"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "think they got those? From us, the"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "United States. Uh, and they patrol the"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "area. They stop UN and Red Cross"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "vehicles. They have no authority to do"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "so. They just roll up and do it. The"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "United Nations has been complaining"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "about this, saying that they operate"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "like a drug cartel trying to assert"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "checks over their these trucks. Here's"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "the reporting that they have positioned"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "themselves of a as a de facto authority"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "in Gaza. They set up these checkpoints,"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "videos, they just roll up. The United"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "Nations says this guy has a full glide"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "militia up and running, fully backed by"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "Israel. The UN says that they refuse to"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "cooperate, which stands to reason if"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "they know these guys will steal it. So"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "again, when you see these Israeli"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "influencers walking around UN aid"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "saying, \"Look, United Nations has eight"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "here. They won't distribute it because"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "they can't get past these thug"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "checkpoints that Israel is supporting to"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "put there.\" So, they're not telling you"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "the whole story. Uh, and so Al-Shabaab"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "now told the Washington Post that he"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "has, \"No, you know what? I'm supported."}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "I have a whole makeshift society under"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "his command. He says at least 2,000"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "civilians live there under the rule"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "about of about 100 people. He claims"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "that he's building schools, hospitals."}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "His aid workers say he's stealing the"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "aid before it reaches hospitals. Uh so,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "you know, are we funding humanitarian"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "relief or are we funding organized"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "theft? Uh"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "by the way, can we point out that the"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "Greyzone reported on this like a year"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "ago? Um"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "okay. The post Yeah. I love how then,"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "oh, now that the mainstream media says"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "it, people can pay attention."}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "Well, what the reason it's worth"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "revisiting is because Israel keeps"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "saying the UN won't distribute their"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "aid. There's aid, we're we're putting"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "the aid there. They know who is the"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "barrier. If we don't know that because"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "we're not there, then we buy that BS,"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "Um, so again, this guy says he's got"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "whole civilian structures, schools,"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "health centers. How believable is that?"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "While Gaza is being steamrolled, he's"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "got infrastructure, but he openly says"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "that he expects support from Israel and"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "the United States, the European Union,"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "and other Arab states. So, if he's"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "getting support from Israel, he is de"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "facto getting support from the United"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "States because that's our funneled"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "money. So we are supporting this war. We"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "say to support democracy and peace in"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "Gaza, but yet it's this ragtag group"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "that we are supporting to arm against"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "Hamas. I just want to ask this question."}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "When has that ever worked out for us? In"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "Afghanistan, uh we supported rebels."}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "What did we get? The Taliban. Uh in"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "Syria, we supported ISIS. for them to"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "turn around and attack us. Uh both of"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "these groups, you know, attacked"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "Americans, fueled American hate in the"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "Middle East. What when are we gonna"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "learn from this? I wonder. Also worth"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "pointing out that this feels very"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "manipulative to be told we are providing"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "aid when we know that there is a"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "checkpoint that's stealing that aid and"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "then we can say, \"Oh, it's just not our"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "fault that it doesn't make it there.\" It"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "is our fault if we're funding the guys"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "with the AK-47s who are taking it. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "and if you're still worried about people"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "starving in Gaza, the Israel government,"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "Israeli government says don't. You don't"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "need to. They say this Time magazine"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "cover was faked because there's a"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "photojournalist there who took it and"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "people knew that they were getting their"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "picture taken. That's how"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "photojournalism usually works. Uh, so it"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "wasn't staged. There's actually video"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "that it was a real distribution. You can"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "see it here. I can't show it to you"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "because Al Jazer every single time dings"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "us with a copyright infringement strike,"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "but you can look this up if you want for"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "yourself. It's easy to find. Um, Philip"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "brought this up. If that photo was"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "staged just because the guy took it,"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "well then by that logic, the Vietnam War"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "was staged because that guy had a"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "camera. Uh, so yeah, there is actual"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "proof of starvation in Gaza. That was a"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "real photo. Uh, we're not saying Time"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "magazine has never manipulated photos"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "before. They absolutely have, but this"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "is not true debunking. Um, what I didn't"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "bring, but what I should have, is that a"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "new poll inside of Israel shows that up"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "upwards of 75% of people do not worry"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "about starvation in Gaza because their"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "government denies it. Uh, so they are"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "very, it seems, either they don't"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "believe it or they're not worried about"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "it because they're not allowed to. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "so let us know what you think of that."}]

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And we're going to tell you how."}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "Because the US Department of Health and"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "Human Services announced it will stop"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "developing new mRNA vaccines because"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "according to RFK Jr., mRNA vaccines"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "don't perform well against viruses that"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "infect the upper respiratory tract and"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "paradoxically encourage new mutations"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "that can actually prolong pandemics."}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "Well, that's interesting and nice of"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "them to finally admit. What they're not"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "admitting is what are some of the health"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "concerns about mRNA. And what they're"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "also not saying is that mRNA vaccines"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "will still be available to be developed"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "through private vaccine makers. They"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "just won't be government funded. Also,"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "that they will continue to be in what"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "they call late stage vaccines. So there"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "are plenty of cancer vaccines that have"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "mRNA vaccine mRNA in them which may"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "still hit market. Uh so are we"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "witnessing a quiet retreat from the mRNA"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "revolution or the beginning of a new"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "phase with maybe even fewer guard rails"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "and even less public accountability"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "where Mary Holland joins us to discuss."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "She's the CEO of the Children's Health"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "Defense and one of the editors of the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "amazing book Turtles All the Way Down,"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "which in my opinion is the most"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "comprehensive review of vaccine research"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "that you can find. Uh so, thank you for"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "joining us today."}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": ">> It's a pleasure. So, can you explain"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "this HHS announcement and maybe tell us"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "what they are not admitting about the"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "mRNA technology? So the way that we see"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "this is it's a step in the right"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "direction. It is not the full story."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Right. So as you're pointing out, it"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "doesn't say that these shots have been"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "uh injurious and deadly on a scale never"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "before seen. Um in the past, these"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "products, these mRNA products were"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "considered gene therapies. They were not"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "vaccines. They had to change the"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "definition of vaccines to bring these on"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "the market. So, it doesn't deal with all"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "of this, but it's a step in the right"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "direction in that this order a couple"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "days ago from HHS Secretary Kennedy cuts"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "off $500 million of funding that was"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "primarily going to go to Fizer and"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "Madna, the two main manufacturers of"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "about 97% of the COVID shots that were"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "administered. From our point of view,"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "this mRNA platform is not ready for"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "prime time, right? It needs a lot a lot"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "a lot more research to be giving this to"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "all people. It basically creates a kind"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "of an autoimmune condition. This RNA"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "instructions then creates the the"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "antigen in your body and you defend"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "against it. Right? So in the COVID shot,"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "it gave you the instructions to form the"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "spike protein only they don't know how"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "long it lasts. They don't know how what"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "the dosing should be. Everybody's"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "different and and the evidence is very"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "strong that the more shots you got, the"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "more likely you were to get COVID. I"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "mean that's what a Cleveland Clinic"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "study. So definitely a step in the right"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "direction that this is not everything we"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "want. Children's Health Defense is on"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "record with many other groups that these"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "products should not be on the market."}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "They're unsafe. They're just not safe."}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "They're not really vaccines. They don't"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "prevent transmissionful stuff."}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": ">> Did regulators know about this before"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "the COVID roll out? I mean RFK Jr. says"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "that these there's manipulations in gene"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "manipulations and it prolongs the pand"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "makes it worse. So, do regulators know"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "about this and what evidence do we have"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "now that they were fully in the tank on"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "this?"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": ">> Uh, that's a great question, Clayton."}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "What we do know is that um Fizer has a"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "spokesperson for Fizer said to the"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "European Parliament, to the European"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "Union, yeah, we never tested really"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "whether it stopped transmission. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "that's kind of incredible. I do think"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "the research that um Katherine Watt and"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "Sasha Latipova have done that basically"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "is based on the lawsuit of Brooke"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "Jackson against Ventavia and against"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "Fizer really made clear that this was an"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "operation that was led by the Department"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "of Defense. It's it's not really"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "negotiable, right? It was not led by HHS"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "or the pharmaceutical makers. was led by"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "the Department of Defense under very"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "weird kind of protocols. And um so what"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "did DoD know uh about what was going to"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "happen with these shots? I don't think"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "we have the full story. As Kennedy's"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "statement basically makes clear, we"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "don't fully know what all the"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "ingredients are in these shots."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "Remember, these were rolled out under"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "emergency use authorization. They might"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "be effective. People could not give full"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "informed consent because they didn't"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "know what was in them. So I don't think"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "we have the full story. My personal view"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "is that we have to get to the bottom of"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "what was known by whom and when or we're"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "going to fall for this again. People are"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "going to fall for this again and we"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "can't let that happen. This pandemic"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "should be the pandemic whatever this"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "COVID experience should be the wakeup"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "call of we are headed on a path towards"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "medical tyranny unless we look at what"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "happened punish the people who committed"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "crimes and then deal with the reality of"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "what should be the medical paradigm."}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": ">> Amen. Now, what do you think of the fact"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "that private companies will still be"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "able to use mRNA technology to their"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "heart's delight? Now, we saw Dr. Marty"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "Macker saying, \"We're going to do better"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "at clinical trials because I I made a"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "list, I think a year or two ago, of all"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "the vaccines that had received either"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "emergency use or uh somehow rushed"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "through skipped trials, basically"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "skipped full trials. So we know that"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "mRNA is in several late stage CA late"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "stage cancer vaccines."}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "So I guess a two-part question. One, is"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "there possibility that it is effective"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "in a cancer vaccine? And two, can we"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "trust that it will get a full clinical"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "trial with full"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "explanation?"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": ">> Well, I think they were used mRNA shots"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "have been used as explicit gene therapy"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "for cancer patients for some time."}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Obviously, the calculus for somebody who"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "has an otherwise potentially fatal"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "disease is a completely different"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "calculus than a healthy six-month-old,"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "right? Or a healthy 40year-old. And"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "these shots are still formally uh you"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "know on the CDC recommendations, not for"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "everybody, but they're still being"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "recommended formally at this moment by"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "the Centers for Disease Control and"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "Prevention. Um so you know these are"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "going to continue to be obviously the"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "powers that be the major"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "biofarmaceutical the biomed"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "pharmaceutical industries have invested"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "trillions probably in this platform"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "because it's fast you know you can make"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "this in like a 100 days and and it's"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "it's it's specific at least they think"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "um I don't believe right now that the"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "private sector is going to stop all"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "development I do believe that it's"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "absolutely Kennedy's idea that there can"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "be no future uh vaccine products put on"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "the market without true inert placebo"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "controls. That was never the case. They"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "were used in some respects in COVID, but"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "those clinical trials were highly"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "manipulated. I think there is going to"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "be a different level of scrutiny around"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "clinical trials for vaccines than there"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "have ever been that there ever has been"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "for any kind of vaccines going forward."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "I do think that mRNA shots to get"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "licensed through the FDA are going to"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "have to meet a very a much much higher"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "level. But I don't expect that all"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "research using this platform is a stop"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "and arguably it shouldn't. It just"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "shouldn't be forced on people and it"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "shouldn't be forced on people with lies"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "which is what happened to us during co"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": ">> well another thing that's being forced"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "on us is all this advertising and I know"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "we're getting ready for the NFL season"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "you're going to see you know as the"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "World Series games and playoffs unfold"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "all of the commercials you're going to"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "see but big fizer you're going to see"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "Travis Kelce rolling up his arm saying"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "hey I got two shots I got my flu shot"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "and I got my other band-aid here go get"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "your COVID shot you can get it two for"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "one just go down to Walgreens and grab"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "them So, they're going to be met with"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "this big advertising onslaught as we"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "head into the fall and the Christmas"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "season. Um,"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": ">> to me, that's ramping up."}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": ">> Yeah, I agree with you. So, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "the US is one of two countries in the"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "world with direct to consumer"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "prescription pharmaceutical drug"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "advertising. We are absolutely aarent on"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "this. It is ridiculous to be advertising"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "medical products and not, you know, with"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "no controls. essentially vaccines don't"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "even give you, you know, you could die,"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "which the drugs have to do. Um, you"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "know, this is in the sights of Secretary"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "Kennedy. He's been very outspoken that"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "he wants to get rid of this direct to"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "consumer advertising, but it's not as as"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "easy as one might want. I mean, there"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "are First Amendment issues in recent"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "Supreme Court rulings that make this"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "more complicated. I know Bernie Sanders"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "of all people has put a bill in the"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "Senate to end direct to consumer"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "advertising of pharmaceuticals. Uh we"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "were I was actually in a hearing a"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "couple weeks ago where Senator Ron"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "Johnson and Senator um Blumenthal,"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut,"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "Republican and Democrat were talking"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "about uh having an end to direct to"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "consumer advertising. So I think it's"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "sort of in the atmosphere now, but we're"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "not there yet. And you're absolutely"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "right that people are persuaded by"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "advertising they are."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, heck, you're they"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "there's no blanket federal ban on like"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "gun advertising, but really, you know,"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "TV providers, they we don't you don't"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "see advertisements for guns on"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "television, right?"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": ">> I mean, a term that that Kennedy used to"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "use before in office was farm media,"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "right? So, 70% of the advertising on"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "mainstream media comes from the"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "pharmaceutical industry. So, they're not"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "going to report on the harms from these"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "mRNA shots and they're also going to use"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "this advertising from their primary"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "sponsors. So, you know, the good news is"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "that people are turning away from"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "mainstream media and coming to shows"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "like yours that are going to give them"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "truthful information that's not as"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "slanted towards their advertisers."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "Well, speaking of truthful uh"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "information, Turtles All the Way Down is"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "where I go for every every time there's"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "a new segment that we need to look at"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "about a specific vaccine. It has exactly"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "what you need to know about the clinical"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "trials. uh you were uh one of the"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "editors or the for you wrote the forward"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "on the book but not the the authors are"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "anonymous because they didn't want"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "people to attack the messenger. They"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "wanted them to only have substantive"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": ">> uh um engagement with the book which I"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "thought was brilliant but you must know"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "I you don't have to tell me it's"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "probably best you don't um"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:44", "text": ">> out the authors"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:46", "text": ">> I'll I'll tell you it's really"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "interesting so I first became aware of"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "the book Precoid in in Israel I I spoke"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "at a conference in Tel Aviv and I became"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "aware of this weird looking book in"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "Hebrew with these turtles on it and I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "like what is this that's being sort of"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "like promoted around here and I started"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "looking there was a QR Q QR code on the"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "back and I looked at the citations. I"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "was like, \"Oh my god, this is only"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "citing to peer-reviewed medical"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "literature and to US government"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "literature in English. I want to read"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "this book.\" So through intermediaries, I"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "got in touch, but literally I've never"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "met the author authors. I've never seen"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "their faces. We communicate by Skype uh"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "with pseudonyms. So they've been very"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "very careful"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": ">> for for good reason because every person"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "whether it's Bobby Kennedy or Dr. Mel"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "Nass or Dr. Pier Corey or Dr. Paul"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "Merrick or Dr. Ryan Cole, they are"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "brutally brutally attacked as sort of"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "doctors who don't conform. Whether it's"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "a scientist or a doctor, they lose their"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "grant. Their name is smeared. And it may"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "get worse than that, right? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "there are doctors who have died under"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "very suspicious circumstances who were"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "promoting what was considered"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "alternative therapies that did threaten"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "mainstream therapies. So, it's for very"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "good reason. But I agree with you. I"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "think it's, you know, I didn't write the"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "book, but I think it's a fantastic book."}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "it's very comprehensive and what it"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "shows you definitively is that vaccines"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "have never been suggested have never"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "been subjected to rigorous safety"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "controls. It's a separate argument"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "whether they're effective. You can there"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "are"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:18", "text": ">> you can make arguments that there's some"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "effectiveness in some people, but what"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "you cannot argue ever is that vaccines"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "are truly safe because they are"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "inherently unsafe. Some like every other"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "drug, right? Some people are allergic to"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "aspirin. Some people are allergic to,"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "you know, cough medicine. You cannot"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "give one product to everybody and expect"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "that it's going to be safe. It's"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "impossible. That's why we have in the"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "United States and there is in Israel a"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "vaccine injury compensation program, but"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "that's a completely broken system."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "That's a different topic. But, you know,"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "we've been sold this complete lie that"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "vaccines are safe. They're not safe. And"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "this book is definitive in showing you"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "step by step by step it's not safe. And"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "I love the book in that it starts with"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "like you know you may be wondering and"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "why is it that some parents are against"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "what the doctors say and like get a cup"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "of coffee sit down and relax. And by the"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "end of the book it's like this is a"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "crime against humanity and it is because"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "they know that people and children"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "babies you know babies are going to die"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "from these interventions for the for the"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "greater good. And that's just"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": ">> I mean one of the things that the book"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "makes clear is that vaccines have never"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "been tested together. And so we know you"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "shouldn't take a pseudafed and a nyquil"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "at the same time because they contra but"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "we've never properly studied what maybe"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "and it it's not against all vaccines."}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "It's how to choose based on the science"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "of each one. But we don't know how they"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "react together. We don't know the"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "dosage. We don't know the age. We know"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "none of that because we willfully refuse"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "to know it."}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": ">> Absolutely. Well, and exactly right and"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "and this is willful willful blindness."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "They, you know, the powers that be"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "absolutely understand that this stuff is"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "unsafe. So, we keep getting this"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "mythology. It's interesting from this"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "announcement that from the secretary,"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "you know, the Paul offets, the the key"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "medical spokespeople for the program,"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "they go out, these people for 20 years"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "have refused to debate with Robert"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "Kennedy. Peter Hotes is another one."}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Listen, if you are certain that vaccines"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "were safe, wouldn't you debate anybody?"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "And and Turtles all the way down makes"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "this point. These are there are there"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "there's science that they will not do."}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "There there are debates that they will"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "not have. They just want to keep"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "perpetuating this mythology. They're"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "safe and effective. They save lives. And"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "you know, I think we're done with that."}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "I think the good news postcoavid is"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "we're done. But I I as Bobby Kennedy has"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "said and he founded Children's Health"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "Defense, we're gonna have to have some"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "kind of reckoning over COVID and it"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "hasn't happened yet. Whether it's a"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "truth and reconciliation commission,"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "whether it's real hearings in the Senate"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "or the House of Representatives, there's"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "got to be a reckoning because what we"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "just lived through is something that I"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "never want to see happen again anywhere"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "in the world, let alone in the United"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "States."}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:02", "text": ">> Right? That's why we had Nermberg,"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": ">> We don't want to ever see that happen"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "again. Um, absolutely right, Mary. Great"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "to see you. Thank you so much for your"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "incredible work and thanks for shedding"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "light on this. Um, Bill Gates is not"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "going to be happy about this. Appreciate"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "it, Mary."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": ">> I can hope."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:18", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. Thank you."}]

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They can reassemble"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "themselves"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "and they can self-destruct themselves."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "Um and he says they're intelligent life"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "forms on top of that, not of this earth."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "So listen to his audio here of uh this"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "scientist Richard Van Durk. Watch"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "very well. So then you could collect"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "them every once in a while and then try"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "to analyze them. 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So what it would do is it cool"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "the surface around itself and then when"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "we took the device off and then weigh it"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "again, we would find that the mass would"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "be reduced by a certain amount."}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "Do these feel like program materials to"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "you, Richard?"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "Yeah, they were like I was saying"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "they're more intelligent materials. Like"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "these subunits probably were pretty had"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "computational functionality, right?"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "Because they knew what their neighbors"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "were all about and they knew they could"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "reprogram themselves to be something"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "different, right? If they needed to"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "change themselves. So these are really"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "curious types of materials. 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So why hasn't Congress called"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "him in as a firsthand witness? He's"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "claiming to have handled highly advanced"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "nonhuman technology. Well, James Fox is"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "an incredible filmmaker, UFO"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "investigator. You know him from his"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "great documentaries like Moment of"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "Contact and The Phenomenon. His newest"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "documentary called The Program. I highly"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "recommend that you go check it out. You"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "can see it on Amazon Prime, YouTube, and"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "Apple TV. All of those places. And James"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "joins us now. James, great to see you."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "Welcome back to the show."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "Thanks so much for having me on."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "My pleasure. So, does this claim align"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "with anything you've heard in your"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "research at all? I mean, we'll talk"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "about maybe his credibility in a second"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "here, but anything you've heard in your"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "research about these sort of like smart"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "dust particles that have intelligent"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "life that are sort of scattered across"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "Earth from any kind of whistleblowers"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "you've interviewed, you've traveled the"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "world investigating UFOs. Has any of"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "this aligned with what you found?"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "So, I you know, I I'm definitely on"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "board with the fact that the US"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "government uh has recovered materials of"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "non-human intelligence or originating"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "from a non-human intelligence. There's"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "no question about that. And it's not"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "just because we've had a couple of high"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "level intelligence officers testify"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "under oath as to this reality, but uh"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "it's because of all the field research"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "that I've done that sort of led me to"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "that sort of parallels my field"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "research. the testimonies given by these"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "intel officers. But I reached out to a"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "couple I and the guy's got this guy Ben"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "Durk has got some incredible"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "credentials. I mean he's you know NASA"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "engineer uh aerospace engineer DARPA."}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "I mean it's incredible. But I think"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "what's really important for all of us to"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "remember is"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "the the the claims needed to or the"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "evidence needed to verify the following"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "claims. Whether it be we have you know"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "Al put off said we've got up to 10"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "possibly a couple of dozen recovered"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "alien spaceships. Huge claim, right? Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "you know you got Eric Davis talking"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "about this stuff. you you've got"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "obviously, you know, David Grush, um you"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "know, Lou Alzando. I think what we"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "really need to focus on is these are"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "extraordinary claims and yes, they do."}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "We do need extraordinary evidence, but"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "what is wrong with we need to focus on"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "creating an environment that allows"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "people like Ben Durk and Lou Alzando and"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "David Grush and Hal Putoff, Eric Davis"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "and any other firstirhand witnesses,"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "secondhand witnesses to whatever nature"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "of of of the te technology or the"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "evidence provide an environment for them"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "to be able to, you know, testify freely"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "in open congressional hearings. And I"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "remind your audience, most of these"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "people will do that. They'll they're"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "willing to take a a lie detector test or"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "they're willing to testify under oath."}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "They need immunity from their NDAs."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "That is where I think we need to really"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "focus on because all right, let's just"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "say he's full of doggy doodoo. Maybe he"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "is, maybe he's not. Look at his"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "credentials. I mean, let's see the"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "evidence. So, I really feel like it's"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "time for us to transition into all"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "right, uh, you know, we contact the"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "president of the United States, wave the"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "magic wand, provide immunity, relieve"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "these individuals from the NDAs, let's"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "have open congressional hearings the"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "next day, and let's get to the bottom of"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "it because the stakes are too high not"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "to."}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "Yeah. Hallelujah. Now, I reported over"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "the past couple of days here about this"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "Lespresso article commenting on that"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "that Italian newspaper article that said"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "that President Trump, there's reporting"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "that President Trump is is going to"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "seize control of the UFO program from"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "the Pentagon. to me like sort of I don't"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "know seize control might be a harsh way"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "to put it but sort of step in take what"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "the Pentagon has been collating is going"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "to step out in front of the podium and"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "release some sort of massive disclosure"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "maybe take the wind out of the sales of"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "the Pentagon first of all the Pentagon"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "answers to the president of the United"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "States so I thought that was garbage to"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "begin with um Pete he said it's going to"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "be differential you know to his to his"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "president you know he's the secretary of"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "defense he's going to hand that over to"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "the president the president will will do"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "his own press conference. Pete might be"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "standing there beside him. Nevertheless,"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "um this idea that the president is going"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "to release some sort of a disclosure."}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "Are you hearing any rumblings from your"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "sources uh that something big might be"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "coming from the Pentagon?"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "So, uh let let me let me back up for a"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "minute because I I interviewed Gerald"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "Ford on this topic. Gerald Ford was the"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "one that pushed for the first"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "congressional hearings on UFOs after"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "there was a landing in Michigan and it"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "was the old uh you know this the"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "scientific adviser to project blue book"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "Dr. Heinik says uh might be swamp gas"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "you know and that of course blew up in"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "their faces and we ultimately had"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "congressional hearings. I interviewed"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "Ford about that and just before the"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "interview he said I'll talk about the"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "congressional hearings. I'll talk about,"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "you know, the incident in mi in Michigan"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "in 1966, but don't ask me anything about"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "when I was president, giving me the"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "impression that he was not happy with"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "the answers he was getting. I also"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "interviewed President Jimmy Carter"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "and he said that they had made inquiries"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "during his presidency. He himself had"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "seen a UFO, but he was not a happy with"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "the answers that he was getting. He was"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "getting a mixed bag of responses. I"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "interviewed John Podesta about the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "Clinton administration trying to get"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "answers about Roswell. Uh, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "Lawrence Spelman Rockefeller uh"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "basically went to, you know, whoever was"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "going to be the next president in the"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "'9s. It turned out to be Clinton. And he"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "said, \"Either you're going to look into"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "this UFO matter and make what's known"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "the government knows public or I'm going"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "to put on every single newspaper across"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "the country why you won't do it.\" He"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "says, \"Pick a case.\" Clinton, Lawrence"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "came back, Roswell. Okay. They looked"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "into Roswell. They said they were not"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "happy with the answers they were"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "getting. So, while I'm extremely"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "optimistic about the Trump"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "administration"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "based on decades of previous research"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "with other presidents, both Republican"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "and Democrat, they were not happy with"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "the access they were getting. They knew"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "they were getting the runaround. I worry"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "a little bit about that because the"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "intelligence agencies have everything to"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "lose and nothing to gain by"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "relinquishing control of what they know."}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "obviously having to reveal the things"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "that they don't know. Um so I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "optimistic but cautiously optimistic and"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "I'll do everything I can obviously from"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "the sidelines to uh to help the"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "administration"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "and Trump has admitted publicly that"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "he's not very interested in the subject"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "that he's kind of incurious about it and"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "so I mean he's repeatedly"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "well he could be the disclosure"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "president. This would be the biggest"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "most historic thing in the history of"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "mankind. Let's just like ask the"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "audience of can we suspend judgment and"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "just imagine if it were true for a"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "moment. We really did have this"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "technology we're tinkering with and"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "that's the biggest story ever."}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "Let's let's face it."}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "I think it's the biggest story in human"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "history. I personally believe it's the"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "biggest story in human history. I mean"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "what could be bigger than that, right? I"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "mean"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "I've I've people ask me all the time,"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "why do I continue doing what I do? Like"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "why do you do what you do? And I say oh"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "it's a good question. Let me let me"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "answer that question with a question. I"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "say, imagine for a moment if it were"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "true this recovered materials, we're not"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "alone. You know, definitive data that"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "the government has. How significant of a"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "story would you give that? And everyone"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "goes, \"Oh my god, you that's true. It'd"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "be the biggest story in the history of"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "mankind.\" Well, we have people lining up"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "with everything to lose and nothing to"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "gain."}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "Nothing to gain. This is not a career"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "enhancing move coming forward and making"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "these allegations. We need to provide"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "steps necessary to give these guys"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "immunity. Put them let them testify"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "under oath in open congressional"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "hearings. Release the classified data,"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "you know, needed to verify those claims."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "We we we have to do it. There's no other"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "path. Let's prove these guys wrong or"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "let's let's get to the bottom of this."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "I 100% agree. Uh James, I'll get you out"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "of here on this question, which is you"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "saw I you know, you know Jeremy Corbel"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "well, I'm sure. Of course. And back in"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "January, he made a claim that he knew a"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "lie was about to be told to all of us."}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "And the lie he said was that a giant"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "interstellar craft, we will be told that"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "a giant interstellar craft of unknown"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "origin is heading towards Earth."}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "And over the past over the past 48"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "hours,"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "that's what's happening. There's a"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "number of publications that have come"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "out saying there's a some large some"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "sort of object heading towards Earth."}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "Some sort of large interstellar"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "something. We don't know what we don't"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "know what it is. And he said, \"So,"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "here's the line.\" So, what do you make"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "of this over the past few days?"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "Okay. So, I actually have an interview"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "that I did in the mid 90s with uh Dr."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Mitchell um who's the fourth for let's"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "say Apollo 14, sixth man to walk the"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "moon, Dr. Edgar Mitchell. And he said to"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "me, \"James,\" and this is in the '9s, and"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "I have it on, I recorded it. This is an"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "interview I did with, and he said,"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "'They're going to stage an alien"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "invasion. I said, 'What are you talking"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "about? He said, \"Yes, it's going to be a"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "big distraction. They're going to stage"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "an alien invasion.\" Now, do I believe"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "him or did I believe him? Probably not."}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "But would it be a huge distraction from"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "what we're dealing with? It sounds to me"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "like it could be. Uh, you know, I don't"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "know. But there's been a lot of"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "disinformation. I'll I'll I'll I'll"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "leave it on this. I'll remind your"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "audience that after we had near landings"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "on the White House lawn, two consecutive"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "weekends in 1952 in Washington DC, we"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "had the Robertson panel in early or in"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "early 1953, December, January or sorry,"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "January, February 1953 and they said"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "they looked at the data and they said,"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "you know, it's kind of difficult to deny"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "that the phenomenon is real. There's"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "something definitely going on here. I"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "would try a new approach with the"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "general public and I would make light of"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "it and ridicule those who claimed to"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "have seen it and that was a policy that"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "stuck and it stuck probably the most"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "effective policy on on the phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "that ever and we're still dealing with"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "dealing with it somewhat today less so"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "so do you believe like this idea that"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "they would stage a fake alien invasion"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "I've been hearing from from my sources"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "on this for over you know a couple of"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "years that they are going to stage a"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "fake alien invasion"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "and what what's the point of it I guess"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "my question is what's the point of it?"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "Is it to make us scared so they can put"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "in some sort of massive techn you know"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "technocratic bioserveillance state on us"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "and control us even more deeply than"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "they already are?"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "I honestly I really don't know but I"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "quite honestly I I wouldn't put anything"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "past them at this point. Um I mean I've"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "seen the disinformation going on. I"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "mean, I as someone who's been in the"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "field when I've seen countless"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "explanations given by by whoever they"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "are, uh, the intelligence agencies or"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "the official positions of the Pentagon"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "or the DoD, and I'm going, \"Oh my god,"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "you got to be kidding me. The Americans"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "are I'm like, people are buying this"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "because they don't know like what's"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "going on. They haven't been they haven't"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "talked to the witnesses. It is"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "incredibly frustrating.\" So, quite"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "honestly, I wouldn't put anything past"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "them. They're certainly desperate at"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "this point. So, who knows? We're going"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "to keep the pressure on."}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "Yeah, I agree with you on that and I"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "we're going to do what we can to keep"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "the pressure on these people. Uh James"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "Fox, incredible filmmaker. Go check out"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "his latest documentary called The"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "Program. It's out now. Just watch it on"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "Apple TV. You can watch it on YouTube"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "now. And it's also available on Amazon"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "Prime. So great. Um and by gosh, if you"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "haven't seen The Phenomenon, go watch"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "that one, too. Highly recommend it."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "James, great to see you as always. Thank"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "you so much."}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "on. Day streams."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Well, the Howard Stern crash out was"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "inevitable in my opinion, but of course"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Stern will spin it differently. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "first it was Steven Colbear's CBS Late"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Show, Dumpster Fire, collapsing under"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "the weight of 200 overpaid writers and"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "interns who couldn't tell a joke or"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "write a joke. Now, Howard Stern, gone,"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "done, washed up. According to reports"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "this week, some, by the way, someone had"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "to leak this story, whether it was like"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "on the SiriusXM side or someone from"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "like the Stern staff had to have leaked"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "this story. The only way we'd even know"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "about it, Howard Stern's show might not"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "be renewed by SiriusXM."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "And let's be honest, it's long overdue"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "because it turns out when you spend your"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "entire show mocking the very audience"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "that built your career, things"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "eventually fall apart. They deteriorate."}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "When you spend your show talking to"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "washed up liberal Hollywood elite"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "pedophiles,"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "no one wants to listen to that anymore."}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "You want to like sit there and listen to"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "Tom Hanks"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "tell funny movie stories? No. I want to"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "hear about the real stuff with Tom Hanks"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "that you're not going to ask."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "According to reports, Stern's $500"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "million per year contract won't be"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "renewed. Sirius doesn't want to spend"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "that money on a failing show. But let's"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "rewind the tape. Howard's decline didn't"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "just start recently. The seeds of this"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "were planted back at least in 2016,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "maybe earlier than that, maybe even"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "before he moved over to Sirius XM."}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "He decided to go all in at that time in"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "2016 for Hillary Clinton."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "Remember that? I mean, the guy who built"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "his empire talking to strippers and"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "lesbians and telling fart jokes and"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "trashing bigwig politicians, mocking"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "mocking bigwig politicians"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "who used to do prank phone calls,"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "suddenly became a mouthpiece for the"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "deep state's least charismatic demon,"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "Hillary Clinton. wararmonger Hillary"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "Clinton, the creator of the Russian"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "collusion hoax, pushing the FBI to push"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "a fake freaking story."}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "That that's that's why I think that like"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "I can't help but feel like this has to"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "all be about money cuz how can these"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "people that are so open and like let's"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "totally support free speech all of a"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "sudden turn on a dime and be like"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "antithetical like just the complete"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "enemies of free speech? It makes zero"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "sense to me."}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "I don't know like who's funding it. I"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "God only knows. I have no idea because"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "he did to me he did a complete 180. Um"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "because do you really think that like"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "long haul truckers, the electricians,"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "the the bluecollar dudes who made up"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "Stern's audience and who were who made"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "Stern a household name"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "supported Hillary Clinton?"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "The woman who called them deplorables."}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "I mean, think about that for a second."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "like a long haul trucker driving through"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "the rust belt of America going through"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "Pennsylvania into Ohio, whatever"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "listening to Stern on their satellite"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "radio. And I know a lot of long haul"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "truckers listen to SiriusXM radio"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "because they at least can have that same"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "signal across the nation no matter where"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "they are. If they listen to the highway,"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "the country music station on Sirius or"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "whatever it is, they listen to satellite"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "radio."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "So, do you think that those truckers"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "support Hillary Clinton?"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Of course not. They don't."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": ">> It is possible that Howard Stern carries"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "around hot sauce with him and that"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "really resonated with him that she had"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "it in her purse. You know what I mean?"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "Like something something like that."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:37", "text": ">> That's about it. That's about the only"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "thing. I mean, they were New York"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "elites. They knew each other, of course,"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "so they're friendly in that regard. And"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "they all swim in those circles and they"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "live in that bubble. So, it made sense."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "Then came co and oh boy like Stern"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "turned into a woke idiot. Built his"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "studio out of his house. He was like oh"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "my god. He went fullon he went fullon"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "crazy person. Germaphobe not leaving the"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "house."}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "Kind of a nut. And he he admitted he"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "became a woke idiot and he totally"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "embraced it. Listen."}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": ">> By the way, I kind of take that as a"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "compliment that I'm woke. I'll tell you"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "how I um feel about it."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "To me, the opposite of woke is being"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "asleep."}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "And"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "if woke means I can't get behind Trump,"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "which is what I think it means, or that"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "I support people who want to be"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "transgender, or I'm for the vaccine,"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "dude, call me woke as you want."}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "I'm not for stupidity. You know, I ran"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "out Friday morning. I was over at CVS."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "Thank you, CVS. I went over there 9:00"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "am and got myself that new vaccine for"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "COVID."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "science. This country is"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "so great."}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "Science at the speed of science. This"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "country is so great. Operation Warp"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "Speed. We were able to push out these"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "vaccines without proper trials on human"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "beings. We used emergency use"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "authorization."}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "pushing these on Americans."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "I mean, he really Howard went to Boston"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "University, didn't he? I mean, or Boston"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "College. I can never remember. But"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "anyway, he's a smart guy. He's got a"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "high IQ. Like, the fact that he didn't"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "question any of this."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "Anyway, Howard became a walking Fizer"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "ad. He mocked his audience for it. The"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "same people who tuned in every day for"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "decades for not getting the clot shots."}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "He openly called unvaccinated people"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "morons and killers."}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "you're a killer. Sort of like what Jimmy"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "Kimmel, his buddy Jimmy Kimmel, would"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "say about people who didn't get the"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "shot."}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "You basically don't have a right to"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "normal society. You basically don't have"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "a right to live. I mean, as Mike Adams,"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "friend of the show, Mike Adams, said,"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "Trump just tripled down on Operation"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "Warp Speed, a program that he thinks"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "killed at least 1.5 million Americans,"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "injured, and maimed millions more,"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "including active duty service members,"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "many we've interviewed here on the show,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "according to Mike Adams, how millions of"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "people have died from this. Howard Stern"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "making fun of those people for"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "questioning it. Again, how many active"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "duty members of the military have we"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "interviewed here? how many people who've"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "flown flights and helicopter pilots and"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "others who were permanently injured as a"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "result of all of this. So ladies and"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "gentlemen, our bodies are under attack"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "and not just from the air we breathe or"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "the food we eat. 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Detox your"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "body, rebuild your gut, take your health"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "into your own hands starting today. Even"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "Trump yesterday weighed in on all of"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "this on Stern's fall from grace and even"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "said Jimmy Kimmel is next to be fired."}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "Watch this."}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": ">> I've got an entertainmentbased question"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "for you. A few weeks ago, Steven Cobear"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "announced that he was leaving a show."}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Howard Stern announced that he him and"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "Sirius XM radio are parting ways. Do you"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "think the hate Trump business model"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "that's been in the entertainment"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "business is going out of business"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "because it's not popular with the"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "American people?"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": ">> Well, it hasn't worked and it hasn't"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "worked really for a long time. And I"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "would say pretty much from the"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "beginning, Co Bear has no talent. I"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "mean, I could take anybody here. I could"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "go outside in the beautiful streets and"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "pick a couple of people that do just as"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "well or better. They get higher ratings"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "than he did. He's got no talent. Fallon"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "has no talent. Kimmel has no talent."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "They're next. They're going to be going."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "I hear they're going to be going. I"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "don't know, but I would imagine because"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "they get, you know, Co Bear has better"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "ratings than Kimmel or Fallon. You know"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "that. Uh Howard Stern, it's a name I"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "haven't heard. I used to do a show used"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "to have fun, but I haven't heard that"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "name in a long time. What happened? He"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "got terminated."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": ">> Yeah. They're going to separate ways"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "because I think what the offer salary"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "wise is real low from what he's getting."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": ">> You know when he went down?"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": ">> Whenever you want."}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": ">> You know when he went down? No. before"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "when he endorsed Hillary Clinton, he"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "lost his audience."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": ">> People said, \"Give me a break.\" He went"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "down when he endorsed Hillary Clinton."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": ">> Ouch."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "When Stern wasn't pushing big pharma, he"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "was having what can only be described as"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "a verbal lovemaking session with Kla"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "Harris, arguably the dumbest person to"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "ever run for president, president of the"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "United States. Stern acted like he was"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "interviewing Einstein,"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "fawning over her. It was disgusting."}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "Softball questions. No questions about"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "her description of Cal, her destruction"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "of California, nothing."}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "How is Joe Biden? And then he did that"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "horrible interview with Joe Biden with"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "more softball questions like how about"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "questions about like the auto pen? Who"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "is actually running the White House?"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "Because clearly you're not. You you're a"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "demented fool. You're out to lunch. Nah."}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "So naturally Stern's audience vanished."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "But it's not like SiriusXM didn't try to"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "keep the corpse moving along. And and"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "I'm actually be curious about those"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "overall audience numbers to be honest"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "with you. Like who who was actually"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "listening to Stern?"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "They gave him $500 million for this"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "train wreck of a show. And the"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "advertising is crazy. I was just at the"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "Toyota dealership the other day"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "getting my uh my my truck updated with"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "something and I was there and in the"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "lobby, you know, cuz they got Sirius XM"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "kind of comes standard on all of them."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "You pay for the subscription or"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "whatever. So, they've got like a big"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "stande that had Stern's face on it and"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "then other artists from other channels"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "and things like that, but they still do"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "that marketing push for Howard Stern."}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "It's in car dealerships, you know, still"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "out there. So, Sirius is spending the"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "money to promote the show."}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "Um, I like Sirius XM because I like"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "listening to different music stations,"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "you know, or listen to my Phillies games"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "on, you know, that's how I listen to it."}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "I don't listen to Stern on there."}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": ">> Um, channel stations."}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:59", "text": ">> What's that?"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:11:00", "text": ">> The Beatles channel. Channel 18."}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": ">> Or the Beatles channel. I listen to the"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Beatles channel a lot. I listen to 80s"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "on 8. I love my 80s music. Um, I listen"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "to country. I listen to all that kind of"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "stuff. And I flip around. Yacht Rock"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Radio as my kids love to My kids always"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "do that impression. Yacht Rock Radio."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "You want to listen to a little Hall of"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Notes in there. Anyway, I'm not"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "listening to Stern, I'll tell you that"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "much. So, I'm curious about those"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "numbers, but you're paying him $500"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "million for this train wreck of a show."}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "And the advertising is crazy. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "again, it's crazy. But here's the"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "kicker. He has a staff of 95 people."}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "95 for a radio show."}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "What are they doing all day?"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "Booking two guests in his show. usually"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "has like what tube guests,"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:47", "text": ">> but isn't a radio show?"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:48", "text": ">> Isn't he"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": ">> Isn't he kind of like when they first"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "started XM, he's kind of like the first"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "person that like was on there, right? I"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "mean, he was like the the biggest pull"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "on XM radio to get people to subscribe."}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": ">> So, he's like the godfather of the of"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "the platform."}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:05", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, he but it existed before"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "him,"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:08", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Yeah. But I don't think I don't think"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "anybody was buying it before him. is"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "what I'm getting. Like I think"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:15", "text": ">> I don't know about that. I mean, I'd be"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "curious what the subscription I know he"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "drove a lot of subscriptions"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "and it was part and parcel him"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "announcing on his live broadcast show"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "like, \"Hey, I'm moving over to SiriusXM"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "and so many people then abandoned"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "terrestrial radio to move over, pay"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "their monthly subscription to listen to"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "him.\" He also lost a huge audience from"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "terrestrial radio because people just"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "couldn't afford it. People were going to"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "pay that much money per month or"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "whatever it was. I don't even know what"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "the price was when he first started."}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "Nine bucks a month or something."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "So anyway, it existed, but you're right."}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "He his poll over there really put them"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "on the map in a big big way. Um, but now"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "people don't I don't know. The numbers"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "just don't add up. I don't know how many"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "people are actually using a SiriusXM"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "subscription just to get Howard Stern"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "anymore. No one. I don't know. I don't"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "know anybody that does."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": ">> I don't know that does."}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:06", "text": ">> Otherwise, the the left would be calling"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "him their Joe Rogan, right? They're"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "like, \"Oh, where's our Joe Rogan? And"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "our Joe Rogan is actually getting 11"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "million views per show, right? Uh"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "downloads and they're like, \"Where's our"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "Joe Rogan?\" I guess it's not Stern. So,"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": ">> but I just don't understand how you have"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "a staff of 95 people. I'm still stuck on"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "that point. Like, you're booking like"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "two guests a show. It's him and Robin"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "sitting there just kitsing about the"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "news."}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "That's it. I mean, what? 95 people to"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "work on that show to cut phony phone"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "calls together. I really I mean what are"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "they doing all day? Let me just give you"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "a little comparison. We have five people"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "that work on our show. Like not"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "including Natalie and I. Five people"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "total."}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "Um and last month on YouTube"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:56", "text": ">> per day than Stern."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:58", "text": ">> Yeah, we have more guests per day than"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "Stern. Anyway, last month on YouTube"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "alone we had 11 million views. That's"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "just YouTube."}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "And that's during the summer months when"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "like people are doing other stuff, you"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "know, they're traveling. 11 million."}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "That doesn't even count Rumble where the"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "majority of our audience now is on"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Rumble."}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "Free speech platform. Five people that"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "work on our show, 11 million viewers."}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "Howard Stern has become a bloated media"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "relic, a washedup, neurotic, woke"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "germaphobe hiding in his mansion."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "I used to love Howard back on 94 WYSP"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "out of Philadelphia when I would deliver"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "newspapers in the morning. That was my"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "job, delivering newspapers before"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "school. And uh I'd be out there first"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "thing in the morning with my Walkman on"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "listening to 94 WISP out of"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "Philadelphia. The signal wasn't very"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "strong where I was in Reading,"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "Pennsylvania, but it depended on the"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "street that I was walking at the time"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "with my newspapers. And I loved it. I"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "loved how edgy he was. I loved the funny"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "comedy routines. I loved him picking on"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "politicians. I loved all of that. I I"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "laughed. I enjoyed it as a teenager. You"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "know, it's what, you know, funny kind of"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "stuff, right?"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "Um, but anyway, that's a long time ago."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "Now, Stern is not alone, though. Legacy"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "Media is imploding. Just two weeks ago,"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "we learned Steven Colbear's late night"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "show employs over 200 people. 200 to"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "tell three jokes and stare awkwardly"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "into the camera."}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "That's what you got 200 people for? No"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "wonder it's unwatchable. Maybe actually"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "if they cut it down to 10 people, they'd"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "actually they'd accidentally write"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "something funny."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "And it, don't even get me started about"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "CNN. Last night, we learned Anderson"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "Cooper makes $18 million a year, has a"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "staff of 30 people,"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "and in July, his prime time numbers,"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "pulled in $98,000"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "viewers in the key demo. 98,000."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "That's adults 25 to 54. Like that's the"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "sweet spot because teenagers, no one's"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "watching CNN."}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "That's it. 98,000 people. You get more"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "viewers live streaming a car wash or"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "this, by the way, a live eagle camera."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "So today I tuned into the big bear bald"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "eagle live camera, the Nest camera,"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "and it has more people per day watching"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "this live camera"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "total throughout the day than Anderson"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "Cooper."}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "Could you imagine? Anderson Cooper is"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "like, \"You know what? Instead of doing"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "my show, I'm just going to have I'm just"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "going to put a camera on a bird's nest."}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "get more viewers than CNN."}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": ">> Now, again, not to gloat, but only for"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "comparison because I don't have access"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "to other people's numbers. I have access"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "to my own numbers for my own show here"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "at Redacted. In the last 48 hours,"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:54", "text": ">> just here on YouTube, we had over a"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "million people watching our show. And"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "again, this is like the doldrums of"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "summer right now. August, everyone's on"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "vacation. Kids are out of school. People"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "are traveling. People are at the pool."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "It's not even counting Rumble, which"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "again is where the bulk of our audience"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "now lives on Rumble."}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "So, let's ask the big question here. How"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "in the hell are these networks going to"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "survive once like RFK Jr. bans all these"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "biofarmaceutical big advertising on"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "television? Because again, 70% of their"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "advertising comes from the"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "biioharmaceutical industry. paying $18"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "million a year to Anderson Cooper. I"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "mean, $500 million for Howard Stern,"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "Steven Colbear, multi-million dollar"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "contract, a staff of 200 people."}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "It's not going to happen. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "they're paying Anderson Cooper $18"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "million just to talk to Jake Tapper"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "about weather balloons. It's"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "unsustainable. So, the Legacy Media"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "Party is over. The age of the bloated,"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "smug legacy media dinosaurs is dying"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "fast and I am totally there for it and"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "I'm enjoying every moment of it."}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "You know, once Johnny Carson said"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "goodbye, once David Letterman said"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "goodbye, it's, you know, it's all"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "downhill from there. But anyway, that's"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "my thought. I'm just stunned by this um"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "Howard Stern story, how much money"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "they're being paid."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "Hey everybody, welcome into Redacted on"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "this Thursday. I'm Clayton Morris."}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "I'm Natalie Morris."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "And on this show, we cover the stories"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "the mainstream media largely ignores."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "The mainstream media absolutely does not"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "want peace in Ukraine. They are actively"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "trying to scuttle this deal. Neocons and"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "the liberal run media absolutely do not"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "want President Trump meeting with"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "President Putin next week in the United"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "Arab Emirates. Is a peace deal finally"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "on the table? Maybe some good news in"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "all of this, but the neocons definitely"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "want war. So, they will do everything in"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "their power to scuttle that. We're going"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "to talk about that today."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Plus, the Washington Post is reporting"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "that it's not Hamas that's stealing aid."}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "It's the group that the US is funding."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "So, we are funding rebels inside Gaza"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "who are stealing the aid. Stop me. Oh,"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "stop me if you think you've heard this"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "one before. Yes, that's happening. We're"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "going to show you this report. So, when"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "you, you know, hear them saying, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "Hamas steals the aid.\" That's total"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "crap. and they know it. Uh we're also"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "going to talk about the mRNA vaccine"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "that was pulled from new development."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "That does not mean this is the end of"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "the mRNA vaccine. We're going to parse"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "those words. You know, there's nuance"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "there. You will see mRNA vaccines. Do"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "not get excited about that."}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "Uh just a few hours ago, um Benjamin"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "Netanyahu and the Israeli government met"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "to basically approve a massive new"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "offensive going into Gaza. This is"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "basically the final move now. This is"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "the massive offensive which is the"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "ethnic cleansing fully of Gaza into Gaza"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "City. Will United States troops become"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "involved in this? Uh General Mike Flynn,"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "Steve Bannon just said that act the"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "active movement right now is to try to"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "get US forces on the ground to try to"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "help and facilitate all of that. So"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "we'll talk about that. Plus Howard Stern"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "crashes out."}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "The king of all media."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "King of all media. Um we're going to"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "talk about that contract, whether or not"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "it will be renewed and does anyone"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "actually care? Has anyone actually"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "listened to Howard Stern? All of these"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "sort of liberal voices in legacy media"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "are dying and being kicked off the air."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "We'll talk about all of that and more,"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "but we're going to start the show right"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "now because we've got a lot of news to"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "get to. By the way, we're starting"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "something new here."}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "We're trying this. We've built a whole"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "new system. Grim, David, and Philip have"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "been working on this to try to get all"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "of our comments when we have super chats"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "or Rumble rants. Sort of like a unified"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "system because it's hard. We're having"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "to pull chats from Rumble. A large"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "portion of our audience, maybe the"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "largest portion of our audience is now"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "on Rumble, which is great. So pull"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "Rumble Rants to be able to pull"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "different comments from all of these"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "different sectors from Twitch, from X"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "and everything um as best as we can and"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "we're going to have them up here on the"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "screen. So anyway, it's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "software, it's a lot of working, but if"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "you start seeing your comments here on"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "the screen, any sort of super chats or"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "rumble rants or anything like that, uh"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "know that the team has been working hard"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "to pull that off. Okay."}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "Do we have a way to filter them? 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Uh unless you say something"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "about one of our anatomies, we do pull"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "that down just out of basic dignity."}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "And it just depends on what part of the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "anatomy,"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "Yeah, things that go under undergarments"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "are things that we usually censor, but"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "that's about it about us."}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "I imagine I imagine unfiltered comments"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "would uh we'd last about 5 minutes on"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "YouTube before they pulled us for"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "No, YouTube would like probably ban our"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "show. Exactly. Cuz we actually are held"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "liable by comments and if they get put"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "up on the screen and YouTube says that"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "that violates their terms of service,"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "then we lose our show. So, we can't do"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "that. Anyway, all that to say, we'll"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "have this software kind of tweaked"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "throughout the show. We'll let you know."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "So, all right. Well, this is big news"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "and the neocons are already trying to"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "scuttle this deal. President Trump,"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "Russian President Putin about to meet"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "face to face for the first time during"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "his second term to iron out the"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "scaffolding of a peace deal. Oh, and"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Ukrainian dictator Zalinski is going to"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "be there, too. Like, hey, don't forget"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "about me, guys. I'll be here, too."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "Standing on a little soap box, a little"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "apple box. So, the three of them coming"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "together next week in the United Arab"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "Emirates hosted by the president of the"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "UAE. This is a peace summit by all"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "accounts. You could say it was pressured"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "in part by President Trump's 10-day, you"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "know, deadline about tariffs already"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "putting a 50% tariff in place for"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "Russian oil purchases on India. So, how"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "much more painful could this have been?"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Would Russia have really cared about the"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "sanctions? Hard to say. They've managed"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "to avoid and deal with any of these"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "sanctions from the beginning. Yesterday,"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "we got our clearest sign yet, though,"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "that there is a real chance for peace"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "after Trump's envoy, Steve Whit, went to"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Moscow, delivered Trump's message. We"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "don't exactly know what the substance of"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "that message was. I've been trying to"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "find out from insiders. We don't know"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "the full extent of that message, but the"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "message was received and apparently the"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "framework that was delivered was agreed"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "upon by Russia as quote quite favorable"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "to the Russian side. What exactly does"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "that mean? Again, we don't know. Uh"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "we're going to unpack that a little bit"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "further in a minute um as we talk about"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "that. But first, Russian President Putin"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "was just asked about this upcoming trip"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "during this meeting and he said, \"Many"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "friends are willing to help us resolve"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "this conflict.\" Listen. October."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "Fore! Foreign! Foreign!"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "So the UAE will be the site of it."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Zalinsky will be there. Will he be"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "there? Zalinsky, he was asked, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "is he going to be there? Well, we've"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "said he's more than welcome to. He"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "doesn't need to be."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "He doesn't need to be because he doesn't"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "hold any of the cards."}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "He could send an email. That could be an"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "email."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "He could send one of his lackeyis. It"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "doesn't matter because the terms of this"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "agreement will be set by Putin. And with"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "help from the United States in this, but"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "it's really going to be dictated by the"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "Russian side. Um, and Putin holds all"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "the cards. As we've said repeatedly here"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "on the show, Russia is winning on the"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "battlefield. The Ukrainian military is"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "collapsing. They're conscripting now 60"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "year olds, 14y olds. NATO is fractured."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "Zinsky is panicking. And Trump and Witco"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "had come to terms with that reality."}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "Russia is writing the terms of this"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "deal. Make no mistake about it. And not"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "the Pentagon, not NATO, and certainly"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "not the Biden holdovers whispering in"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "Zalinsk's ear. They have no power"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "anymore. They can drag this thing out"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "for as long as they want. But Zalinsk's"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "favorable numbers inside of Ukraine have"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "absolutely crumbled. Protests on the"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "street. Moms fighting back against the"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "conscription of their children into"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "vans. And here's where things though get"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "really interesting to in my personal"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "opinion because just hours ago, the"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Kremlin officially confirmed Trump and"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "Putin will happen in the coming days."}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "Right on queue though, Trump's new"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "tariffs on dozens of countries just went"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "into effect. So all of this happening"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "the same same at the same time. But some"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "of the West are calling this pressure"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "tactic on America's so-called allies"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "who've been quietly funding Ukraine's"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "war efforts behind the scenes,"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "especially Germany, France, and the"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "Netherlands. I'm seeing it as economic"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "warfare, maybe with like a peace prize"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "kind of built into it at the end of all"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "of this. Trump is showing his cards."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "He's playing ball on peace. Play ball on"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "peace or get hit with these tariffs. 50%"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "tariffs to India for buying Russian oil"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "and oh, also maybe buying Russian"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "weapons. If Trump pulls this off, he'll"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "be able to do something no Western"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "leader has come close to, which is"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "ending this war in Ukraine by talking,"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "not by sending more weapons."}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "But he's doing that, too."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Yeah. Well, there are still more weapons"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "flowing through his NATO proxies, but"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "not ones that he actually"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "because Congress shoved it into the"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "defense."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "Exactly. He didn't ask for it,"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "right? So,"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "but he has not made an effort to when"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "when the Trump administration cut them"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "off of cut Ukraine off of intelligence,"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "Ukraine panicked and we opened that back"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "up. So, it's not like we're actually"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "stopping support for Ukraine. And I, you"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "know, I think most of us think the"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "president does have more cards, could"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "actually do that, but has not actually"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "done it yet, which I would have liked to"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "have seen."}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "So, neocons hate this to be clear."}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "Again, that's why they're funneling more"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "weapons into Ukraine, even as we're"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "trying to put this peace deal together."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "Just glance at social media neocons over"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "the past 48 hours, saying that Trump is"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "buckling to Putin."}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Who cares?"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Why should you meet with Putin, you"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "know, until he gives back all that land"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "that he took from the Ukrainians, you"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "shouldn't have a peace talk with him."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "They say while standing next to"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "Netanyahu, who is taking all of Gaza for"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "himself? Why are you talking to Putin?"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Here's Netanyahu, my bestie, who has"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "annexed an entire country now."}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "I mean,"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "am I the only one who literally like"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "grits his teeth when he sees Mike Pompeo"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "post on X?"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "No, you're not the only one. You're not"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "the only one. He Nikki Haley, I don't"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "want to hear from Mike Pence, Nikki"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "Haley, Lindsey Graham, any of the other"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "neocons who actively want this war to"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "continue. So, the wararm mongers in"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "Washington and Brussels are already"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "foaming at the mouth. They're furious"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "about this. They want this war to drag"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "on peace talks. They want to collapse."}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "This is bad for business. This is bad"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "for the military-industrial complex, of"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "course, especially if Trump and Putin"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "bypass them entirely. So, the question"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "is, can Trump close this deal next week?"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "All the groundwork has been laid. The"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "scaffolding is there. It's quite"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "reasonable. the deal that was given to"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "the Russian side, does that include all"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "of the land that they have already"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "acquired that was, you know, ethn ethnic"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "Russians, Crimea, Donbos, Luhansk,"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "um, Dyetsk."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "We'll see next week. Can Trump close it"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "or um, I don't know, but I think next"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "week is going to be huge."}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "But you see Zalinsky, if you follow him"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "on X or any of his platforms, he's"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "hedging his bets. Every hour there's a"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "picture of him on his cell phone saying,"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "\"I spoke to Ursula Vanderland or Mark"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "Ruta or Victor Orban or whatever, you"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "know, Western leader or American leader"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "and we agreed Russia's the aggressor. We"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "want peace, but only peace through"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "honesty. It's all the same bull crap"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "that he keeps hedging his bets because"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "he wants no peace agreement so that this"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "can continue and he can pretend as if he"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "has some role in it, which he doesn't."}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "It's really the two people we need to"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "meet will meet."}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "Can we see the front of the phone in the"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "pictures, please? So we can, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "that's what I was just like a photo"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "shoot of like 30 photos of him on the"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "phone."}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "Exactly. All right, let's talk about"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "Israel now. Benjamin Netanyahu wants"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "American soldiers to occupy and fight in"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "Gaza as part of his ethnic cleansing of"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "Gaza plan. So will Americans support"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "this? Will you be happy to send American"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "forces to Gaza? you know, not just the"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "special forces that have already been"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "there and sort of facilitating things,"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "but I mean I mean I'm talking real like"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "occupation forces to keep the peace."}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "Would you do that? So, tonight at 6 p.m."}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "Israel time, just a few hours ago,"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "Benjamin Netanyahu convened his security"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "cabinet to approve a massive new"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "offensive plan in Gaza. The Israeli"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "government's plan to escalate military"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "operations in Gaza involve the ethnic"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "cleansing of the Palestinian civilian"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "population of Gaza City specifically and"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "Gaza's central refugee camps. Um, wet"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "has reported that Israel plans to push"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "the civilian population out of the area"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "and direct them to the south, probably"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "into Egypt in an effort to prompt them"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "to leave Gaza altogether. Um, Israeli"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "officials and Prime Minister Netanyahu"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "told us back in May that their ultimate"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "goal is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza,"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "the Gaza Strip, which they call"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "voluntary migration."}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "Under what weird world do you live in?"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "If you ask the Palestinians, is this"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "like voluntary migration?"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "We never wanted to be here in the first"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "place."}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "Here's voluntary. We're going to launch"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "a chance to live in the Bahamas like I"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "always wanted."}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "We're going to launch an RPG at this"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "spot over here. Do you want to"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "voluntarily stand there or stand over"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "here? So, it's voluntary that you don't"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "want to stand in the spot where we're"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "about to bomb and blow everything up."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "Okay, that's voluntary. Voluntary"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "migration. Laughable. Um, where would"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "the Palestinian population did this?"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "I mean, where are they going to go?"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "Romania? They're going to go into Egypt"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "permanently. According to the IDF, they"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "believe this new military offensive is"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "expected to take months. According to"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "the IDF, the IDF is warning that would"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "lead to heavy Israeli casualties. and"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "they're warning that any remaining"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "Israeli hostages would likely be killed."}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "Did you hear me? Let's pause there for a"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "moment. Imagine if you're the family of"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "those hostages and you're being told by"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "the IDF, you're being told by the"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "Netanyahu government that they expect"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "your loved ones to be killed. Of course,"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "Israel's Hannibal directive is clear in"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "this matter. It has been. You probably,"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "you guys all know about the Hannibal"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "directive. You're smart. You're a smart"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "audience. It was put in place by Israel"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "in the 1980s by the IDF. Its purpose was"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "to prevent Israeli soldiers from being"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "captured alive by enemy forces. In other"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "words, even if it meant killing the"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "captured soldier in the process or"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "response. So, Israel doesn't care about"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "their missing soldiers. It's part of the"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "plan. Of course, the Hannibal directive"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "was ordered on October 7th as part of"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "the plan. Friend of the show Dan Cohen"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "has covered this extensively. Israeli"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "soldiers were told to stand down, not"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "fight back for hours on purpose."}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "Israelis were captured. Israeli is"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "Israel ordered air strikes this air"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "strikes that killed its own people. So"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "the plan begins now. No more worrying"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "about hostages. One Israeli official"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "told Yet that quote the intention is to"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "conquer Gaza. End quote. And what about"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "American forces? Well, General Mike"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "Flynn and Steve Bannon have a thought on"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "The worst is right now in Israel where"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "the IDF has said, you know, uh for"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "political reasons. Uh Netanyahu's come"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "up with that we got to occupy Gaza right"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "now. And this is going to be like this"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "Iranian situation where they can't"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "finish what they started. They he is"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "looking for American troops to come in"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "and be part of that because the IDF"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "doesn't have it. Who tells me that? Not"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "Steve Bannon, not Breitbart, not General"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "Flynn. Times of Israel and the Jerusalem"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "Post are saying they're at each other's"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "throats in these meetings where the IDF"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "is sitting the general sitting there"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "going, \"Dude, my troops are worn out. I"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "can't even take down Hamas right now"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "militarily. We're struggling to do that."}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "I can't occupy a thing with millions of"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "people. It'll be worth 10 times worse"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "than Iraq.\""}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "Yeah. So, who's going to do it? American"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "forces. Will we go along with that? Let"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "us know in the comments below."}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "All right. Right. Well, the Pentagon has"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "awarded $10 billion to Palunteer to"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "consolidate all of its tracking software"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "into one AI platform. That's right."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "Palunteer, the company known for"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "building surveillance tools that don't"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "just track military movement, but also"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "us as well. Uh here is this new $10"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "billion contract by the Department of"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "Defense. They're saying they're m done."}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "What they want to be done is to take 75"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "separate software tools and streamline"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "it into one system. And they're pick to"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "do this is Palunteer. They say no one"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "else can do the job. You might be"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "thinking, well, that seems like it's"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "illegal because you can't just award a"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "government contract to one company"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "without open bids, right? People go to"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "jail for this. Well, US law does in fact"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "require open bidding for federal"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "contracts under the Competition in"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "Contracting Act. But the Pentagon here"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "is saying, \"No, we can't open this up."}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "Only Palunteer can do it.\" Look how they"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "wrote this. Literally, only Palunteer"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "can direct this full suite of commercial"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "solutions. This doesn't mean they say"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "that they won't be competitive on future"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "programs. But how can anyone ever"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "compete with Palunteer on they once"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "they've built everything? That makes no"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "sense. That's like saying, \"Well, only"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "Bob the Builder can build my house, but"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "once the house is built, we'll take"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "competitive contracts or open bids.\""}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "Makes no sense. So, clearly, this is a"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "government-run monopoly on the software"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "that they want. And they know intimately"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "because Palanteer was never just a tech"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "vendor. It's always been an intelligence"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "contractor. Now, when you hear"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "palunteer, what people mostly worry"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "about, not just tracking what they say"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "is troops, military equipment, food,"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "supply chains. It's also about tracking"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "people. US uh they already have been"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "using this to track anyone they think is"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "an immigrant. They have a contract with"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "ICE that was made public earlier this"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "year for software what they say is to"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "track self-deportations and gang"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "members. Do you think this is not a drag"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "net for American citizens? If you"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "actually believe that, I would like to"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "introduce you to someone named Edward"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "Snowden. Uh, now think about how all of"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "this government surveillance software,"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "this exclusive government contract,"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "which is again typically illegal, but a"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "carve out for Palunteer. And now look"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "how Palanteer software is performing uh"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "on the marketplace. It stock is up 600%"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "since last year. On Monday, they"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "reported their best ever earnings with"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "more than $1 billion in revenue in the"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "second quarter, which was a 53% growth"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "from US government contracts. Our money,"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "taxpayer num money. So, they're doing"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "gang busters on taxpayer dollars for"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "software that tracks us and there's no"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "one that can compete with them because"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "the government says no. So, how do you"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "like that?"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "Do you like that?"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "No. A lot of people in our chat said,"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "you know, Palunteer. Yeah, it was $10."}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "Remember, it was $10 a share. I was"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "trying to put this up on the screen, but"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "I couldn't. Um, anyway, $10 a share now."}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "It's up over whatever hundred some"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "dollars a share. So, people are raking"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "in the money on this. Yeah. Good."}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "What were you going to say, Philillip?"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "Oh, just wasn't sort of like JD Vance"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "kind of backed by Palunteer."}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "To begin with, like Peter Teal. It's odd"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "that the government would just bypass"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "all competitive contracts"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "in that way for Palunteer,"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "right? I'm literally people go to jail."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "You think someone was your friend and"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "got a government contract through you?"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "Like"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "the government prosecutes people for"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "that, but not in this in"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "well and the big gold dome. I mean the"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "gold dome is hands and hands as someone"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "points out in our chat too. Um you know"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "the golden dome is going to be palunteer"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "architected. And of course this big push"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "for drone technology as well will also"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "be architected in in part by the"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "biometric scanning and all of that. So"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Someone in the chat"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "says, \"Maybe I just got to stop using"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "the internet altogether.\""}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "I mean, but they they have license plate"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "tracking software, too. So, what are you"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "going to do about that? They can track"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "you driving around. Uh, so good luck"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "with that. Okay. Well, the US and Israel"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "are arming the guys looting the aid"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "trucks in Gaza. And it's not Hamas. That"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "is not conspiracy theory. That is"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "reporting from the Washington Post. This"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "man you see here is named Yaser Abu"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "Shabbab. He describes himself as a"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "humanitarian and a liberator, but inside"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "Gaza, he's known as a gang leader. He's"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "been accused of running aid looting"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "organizations, stealing and smuggling"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "what was sent by the United Nations. So,"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "when Israel says Hamas steals the aid,"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "they know that's not true because they"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "work with the groups who are stealing"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "the aid. This has been going on and"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "reported for over a year. Last year, the"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "Post reported that these armed gangs"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "operate in Israel controlled zones where"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "the IDF either looks the other way or"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "offers logistical support for the theft"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "of aid. Isn't that crazy? The Netanyahu"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "government says, \"Well, yeah, we support"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "groups that uh are against Hamas because"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "we're aligned. We're against Hamas.\""}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "Netanyahu said, \"What's so wrong with"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "that?\" But again, what they're doing is"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "helping this aid be taken so that they"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "can scapegoat Hamas, which needs no"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "help, right? So, Israeli forces,"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "according to the Post, have refrained"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "from interfering when Abu Shab and his"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "men show up with AK-47s. Where do you"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "think they got those? From us, the"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "United States. Uh, and they patrol the"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "area. They stop UN and Red Cross"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "vehicles. They have no authority to do"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "so. They just roll up and do it. The"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "United Nations has been complaining"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "about this, saying that they operate"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "like a drug cartel trying to assert"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "checks over their these trucks. Here's"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "the reporting that they have positioned"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "themselves of a as a de facto authority"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "in Gaza. They set up these checkpoints,"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "videos, they just roll up. The United"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "Nations says this guy has a full glide"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "militia up and running, fully backed by"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "Israel. The UN says that they refuse to"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "cooperate, which stands to reason if"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "they know these guys will steal it. So"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "again, when you see these Israeli"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "influencers walking around UN aid"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "saying, \"Look, United Nations has aid"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "here. They won't distribute it because"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "they can't get past these thug"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "checkpoints that Israel is supporting to"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "put there.\" So, they're not telling you"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "the whole story. Uh, and so Al-Shabaab"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "now told the Washington Post that he"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "has, \"No, you know what? I'm supported."}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "I have a whole makeshift society under"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "his command. He says at least 2,000"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "civilians live there under the rule"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "about of about 100 people. He claims"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "that he's building schools, hospitals."}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "His aid workers say he's stealing the"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "aid before it reaches hospitals. Uh so,"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "you know, are we funding humanitarian"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "relief or are we funding organized"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "theft? Uh"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "by the way, can we point out that the"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "Grey Zone reported on this like a year"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "ago? Um"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "okay. Yeah. The post. Yeah. I love how"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "then, oh, now that the mainstream media"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "says it, people can pay attention."}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "Well, what the reason it's worth"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "revisiting is because Israel keeps"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "saying the UN won't distribute their"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "aid. There's aid. We're we're putting"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "the aid there. They know who is the"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "barrier. If we don't know that because"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "we're not there, then we buy that BS,"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "Um, so again, this guy says he's got"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "whole civilian structures, schools,"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "health centers. How believable is that?"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "While Gaza is being steamrolled, he's"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "got infrastructure. But he openly says"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "that he expects support from Israel and"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "the United States, the European Union"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "and other Arab states. So if he's"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "getting support from Israel, he is de"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "facto getting support from the United"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "States because that's our funneled"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "money. So we are supporting this war. we"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "say to support democracy and peace in"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "Gaza, but yet it's this ragtag group"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "that we are supporting to arm against"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "Hamas. I just want to ask this question."}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "When has that ever worked out for us? In"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "Afghanistan, uh we supported rebels."}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "What did we get? The Taliban. Uh in"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "Syria, we supported ISIS. For them to"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "turn around and attack us, uh both of"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "these groups, you know, attacked"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "Americans, fueled American hate in the"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "Middle East. Wh when are we going to"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "learn from this? I wonder. Also worth"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "pointing out that this feels very"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "manipulative to be told we are providing"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "aid when we know that there is a"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "checkpoint that's stealing that aid and"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "then we can say, \"Oh, it's just not our"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "fault that it doesn't make it there. It"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "is our fault.\" If we're funding the guys"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "with the AK-47s who are taking it. Uh"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "and if you're still worried about people"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "starving in Gaza, the Israel government,"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "Israeli government says don't. You don't"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "need to. They say this Time magazine"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "cover was faked because there's a"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "photojournalist there who took it and"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "people knew that they were getting their"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "picture taken. That's how"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "photojournalism usually works. Uh so it"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "wasn't staged. There's actually video"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "that it was a real distribution. You can"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "see it here. I can't show it to you"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "because Al Jazer every single time dings"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "us with a copyright infringement strike."}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "But you can look this up if you want for"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "yourself. It's easy to find. Um Philip"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "brought this up. If that photo was"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "staged just because the guy took it,"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "well then by that logic, the Vietnam War"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "was staged because that guy had a"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "camera. Uh so yeah, there is actual"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "proof of starvation in Gaza. That was a"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "real photo. Uh we're not saying Time"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "magazine has never manipulated photos"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "before. They absolutely have, but this"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "is not true debunking. Um, what I didn't"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "bring, but what I should have, is that a"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "new poll inside of Israel shows that up"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "upwards of 75% of people do not worry"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "about starvation in Gaza because their"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "government denies it. Uh, so they are"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "very, it seems, either they don't"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "believe it or they're not worried about"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "it because they're not allowed to. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "so let us know what you think of that."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "All right, coming up, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "talk about the mRNA vaccine. Is it gone"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "for good or is it just going to be"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "disguised through private funding? Maybe"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "less regulation. We're also going to"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "talk about the CO whistleblower who was"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "not the Chinese CO whistleblower. That's"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "interesting, right? Uh plus Howard Stern"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "crashing out, the king of all media."}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "Before we do that, we want to tell you"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "about our friends at American Financing."}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "Because what if you can delay two"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "mortgage payments? That's right. Imagine"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "putting those payments in your pocket"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "and finally getting a little breathing"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "room. Well, that's possible with"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "American financing. If you're feeling"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "stretched by everyday expenses,"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "groceries, gas, bills, I saw someone in"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "the chat saying gas in Colorado is"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "through the roof. Uh, yes, gas continues"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "to go up. Well, American Financing can"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "show you how to use your home equity to"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "pay off that bad debt. 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So,"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "call now before it's too late at uh"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "86689-8434"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "or head on over to"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "americanfancing.net/redacted."}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "One more time, that's"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "americanfing.net/redacted."}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "All right. How you doing? Let's take a"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "little break. It's hot in here."}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "It is hot. Yeah, we're just trying to"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "Are we all good with internet? And we"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "have been having some crazy internet"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "outages lately. I'm hoping everything's"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "okay. So, but seems like one of our"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "Philip, are you still there?"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "I don't know if anybody's still there."}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "Hopefully, we are."}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "Oh, I'm still here. Everything"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "Everything"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "Everything's good so far."}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "All right, good."}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "Okay. Well, RFK Jr. just dropped a"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "hammer on Bill Gates and his mRNA"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "vaccines that he has funded. And we're"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "going to tell you how. Because the US"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "Department of Health and Human Services"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "announced it will stop developing new"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "mRNA vaccines. Because according to RFK"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "Jr., mRNA vaccines don't perform well"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "against viruses that infect the upper"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "respiratory tract and paradoxically"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "encourage new mutations that can"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "actually prolong pandemics. Well, that's"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "interesting and nice of them to finally"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "admit. What they're not admitting is"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "what are some of the health concerns"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "about mRNA? And what they're also not"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "saying is that mRNA vaccines will still"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "be available to be developed through"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "private vaccine makers. They just won't"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "be government funded. Also, that they"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "will continue to be in what they call"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "lateage vaccines. So there are plenty of"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "cancer vaccines that have mRNA vaccine"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "mRNA in them which may still hit market."}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "Uh, so are we witnessing a quiet retreat"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "from the mRNA revolution or the"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "beginning of a new phase with maybe even"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "fewer guard rails and even less public"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "accountability? Well, M. Mary Holland"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "joins us to discuss. She's the CEO of"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "the Children's Health Defense and one of"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "the editors of the amazing book Turtles"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "All the Way Down, which in my opinion is"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "the most comprehensive review of vaccine"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "research that you can find. Uh, so thank"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "you for joining us today."}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "It's a pleasure. So can you explain this"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "HHS announcement and maybe tell us what"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "they are not admitting about the mRNA"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "technology?"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "So the way that we see this is it's a"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "step in the right direction. It is not"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "the full story. Right. So as you're"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "pointing out it doesn't say that these"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "shots have been uh injurious and deadly"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "on a scale never before seen. Um in the"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "past these products these mRNA products"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "were considered gene therapies. they"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "were not vaccines. They had to change"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "the definition of vaccines to bring"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "these on the market. So, it doesn't deal"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "with all of this, but it's a step in the"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "right direction in that this order a"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "couple days ago from HHS Secretary"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "Kennedy cuts off $500 million of funding"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "that was primarily going to go to Fizer"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "and Madna, the two main manufacturers of"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "about 97% of the COVID shots that were"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "administered. From our point of view,"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "this mRNA platform is not ready for"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "prime time, right? It needs a lot a lot"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "a lot more research to be giving this to"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "all people. It basically creates a kind"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "of an autoimmune condition. This RNA"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "instructions then creates the the"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "antigen in your body and you defend"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "against it. Right? So in the COVID shot,"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "it gave you the instructions to form the"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "spike protein only they don't know how"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "long it lasts. They don't know how what"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "the dosing should be. Everybody's"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "different and and the evidence is very"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "strong that the more shots you got, the"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "more likely you were to get COVID. I"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "mean, that's what a Cleveland Clinic"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "study."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "So, a step in the right direction that"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "this is not everything we want."}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "Children's Health Defense is on record"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "with many other groups that these"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "products should not be on the market."}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "They're unsafe. They're just not safe."}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "They're not really vaccines. They don't"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "prevent transmissionful stuff."}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "Did regulators know about this before"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "the COVID roll out? I mean, RFK Jr. says"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "that these there's manipulations in gene"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "manipulations and it prolongs the pand"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "makes it worse. So do regulators know"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "about this and what evidence do we have"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "now that they were fully in the tank on"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "this?"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "Uh that's a great question Clayton what"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "we do know is that um Fizer has a"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "spokesperson for Fizer said to the"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "European Parliament to the European"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "Union yeah we never tested really"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "whether it stopped transmission. I mean"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "that's kind of out incredible. I do"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "think the research that um Katherryn"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "Watt and Sasha Latipova have done that"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "basically is based on the lawsuit of"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "Brooke Jackson against Ventavia and"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "against Fizer really made clear that"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "this was an operation that was led by"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "the Department of Defense. It's not"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "really negotiable, right? It was not led"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "by HHS or the pharmaceutical makers. It"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "was led by the Department of Defense"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "under very weird kind of protocols. And"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "um so what did DoD know uh about what"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "was going to happen with these shots? I"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "don't think we have the full story. As"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "Kennedy's statement basically makes"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "clear, we don't fully know what all the"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "ingredients are in these shots."}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "Remember, these were rolled out under"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "emergency use authorization. They might"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "be effective. People could not give full"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "informed consent because they didn't"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "know what was in them. So I don't think"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "we have the full story. My personal view"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "is that we have to get to the bottom of"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "what was known by whom and when or we're"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "going to fall for this again. People are"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "going to fall for this again and we"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "can't let that happen. This pandemic"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "should be the pandemic whatever this"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "covid experience should be the wakeup"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "call of we are headed on a path towards"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "medical tyranny unless we look at what"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "happened punish the people who committed"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "crimes and then deal with the reality of"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "what should be the medical paradigm."}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "Amen. Now, what do you think of the fact"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "that private companies will still be"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "able to use mRNA technology to their"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "heart's delight? Now, we saw Dr. Marty"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "Macker saying, \"We're going to do better"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "at clinical trials because I I made a"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "list, I think a year or two ago, of all"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "the vaccines that had received either"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "emergency use or uh somehow rushed"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "through skipped trials, basically"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "skipped full trials. So we know that"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "mRNA is in several late stage CA late"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "stage cancer vaccines."}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "So I guess a two-part question. One, is"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "there a possibility that it is effective"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "in a cancer vaccine? And two, can we"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "trust that it will get a full clinical"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "trial with full"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "explanation?"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "Well, I think they were used mRNA shots"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "have been used as explicit gene therapy"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "for cancer patients for some time."}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "Obviously, the calculus for somebody who"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "has an otherwise potentially fatal"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "disease is a completely different"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "calculus than a healthy six-month-old,"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "right? Or a healthy 40year-old. And"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "these shots are still formally uh you"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "know on the CDC recommendations, not for"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "everybody, but they're still being"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "recommended formally at this moment by"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "the Centers for Disease Control and"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "Prevention. Um so you know these are"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "going to continue to be obviously the"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "powers that be the major"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "biofarmaceutical the biomed"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "pharmaceutical industries have invested"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "trillions probably in this platform"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "because it's fast you know you can make"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "this in like a 100 days and and it's"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "it's it's specific at least they think"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "um I don't believe right now that the"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "private sector is going to stop all"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "development I do believe that it's"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "absolutely Kennedy's idea that there can"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "be no future uh vaccine products put on"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "the market without true inert placebo"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "controls. That was never the case. They"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "were used in some respects in COVID, but"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "those clinical trials were highly"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "manipulated. I think there is going to"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "be a different level of scrutiny around"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "clinical trials for vaccines than there"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "have ever been that there ever has been"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "for any kind of vaccines going forward."}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "So I do think that mRNA shots to get"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "licensed through the FDA are going to"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "have to meet a very a much much higher"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "level. But I don't expect that all"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "research using this platform is a stop"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "and arguably it shouldn't. It just"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "shouldn't be forced on people and it"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "shouldn't be forced on people with lies"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "which is what happened to us during co"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "well another thing that's being forced"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "on us is all this advertising and I know"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "we're getting ready for the NFL season"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "you're going to see you know as the"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "World Series games and playoffs unfold"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "all of the commercials you're going to"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "see but big fizer you're going to see"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "Travis Kelce rolling up his arm saying"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "hey I got two shots I got my flu shot"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "and I got my other band-aid here go get"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "your COVID shot you can get it two for"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "one just go down to Walgreens and grab"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "them So, they're going to be met with"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "this big advertising onslaught as we"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "head into the fall and the Christmas"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "season. Um,"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "to me, that's ramping up."}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "Yeah, I agree with you. So, you know,"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "the US is one of two countries in the"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "world with direct to consumer"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "prescription pharmaceutical drug"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "advertising. We are absolutely aarent on"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "this. It is ridiculous to be advertising"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "medical products and not, you know, with"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "no controls. essentially vaccines don't"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "even give you, you know, you could die,"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "which the drugs have to do. Um, you"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "know, this is in the sights of Secretary"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "Kennedy. He's been very outspoken that"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "he wants to get rid of this direct to"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "consumer advertising, but it's not as as"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "easy as one might want. I mean, there"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "are First Amendment issues in recent"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "Supreme Court rulings that make this"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "more complicated. I know Bernie Sanders"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "of all people has put a bill in the"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "Senate to end direct to consumer"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "advertising of pharmaceuticals. Uh we"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "were I was actually in a hearing a"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "couple weeks ago where Senator Ron"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "Johnson and Senator um Blumenthal,"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut,"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "Republican and Democrat were talking"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "about uh having an end to direct to"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "consumer advertising. So I think it's"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "sort of in the atmosphere now, but we're"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "not there yet. And you're absolutely"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "right that people are persuaded by"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "advertising they are."}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. I mean, heck, you're they"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "there's no blanket federal ban on like"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "gun advertising, but really, you know,"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "TV providers, they we don't you don't"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "see advertisements for guns on"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "television, right?"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "I mean, a term that that Kennedy used to"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "use before in office was farm media,"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "right? So, 70% of the advertising on"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "mainstream media comes from the"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "pharmaceutical industry. So, they're not"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "going to report on the harms from these"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "mRNA shots and they're also going to use"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "this advertising from their primary"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "sponsors. So, you know, the good news is"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "that people are turning away from"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "mainstream media and coming to shows"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "like yours that are going to give them"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "truthful information that's not as"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "slanted towards their advertisers."}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "Well, speaking of truthful uh"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "information, Turtles All the Way Down is"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "where I go for every every time there's"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "a new segment that we need to look at"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "about a specific vaccine. It has exactly"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "what you need to know about the clinical"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "trials. uh you were uh one of the"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "editors or the for you wrote the forward"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "on the book but not the the authors are"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "anonymous because they didn't want"}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "people to attack the messenger. They"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "wanted them to only have substantive"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "right"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "uh engagement with the book which I"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "thought was brilliant but you must know"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "I you don't have to tell me it's"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "probably best you don't um"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "out the authors"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "I'll I'll tell you it's really"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "interesting so I first became aware of"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "the book Precoid in in Israel I spoke at"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "a conference in Tel Aviv and I became"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "aware of this weird looking book in"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "Hebrew with these turtles on it and I'm"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "like what is this that's being sort of"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "like promoted around here and I started"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "looking there was QR QR code on the back"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "and I looked at the citations. I was"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "like, \"Oh my god, this is only citing to"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "peer-reviewed medical literature and to"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "US government literature in English. I"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "want to read this book.\" So through"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "intermediaries, I got in touch, but"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "literally I've never met the author"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "authors. I've never seen their faces. We"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "communicate by Skype uh with pseudonyms."}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "So they've been very very careful to"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "for for good reason because every person"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "whether it's Bobby Kennedy or Dr. Mel"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "Nass or Dr. Pier Corey or Dr. Paul"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "Merrick or Dr. Ryan Cole, they are"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "brutally brutally attacked as sort of"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "doctors who don't conform. Whether it's"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "a scientist or a doctor, they lose their"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "grant. Their name is smeared. And it may"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "get worse than that, right? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "there are doctors who have died under"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "very suspicious circumstances who were"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "promoting what was considered"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "alternative therapies that did threaten"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "mainstream therapies. So, it's for very"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "good reason. But I agree with you. I"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "think it's, you know, I didn't write the"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "book, but I think it's a fantastic book."}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "it's very comprehensive and what it"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "shows you definitively is that vaccines"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "have never been suggested have never"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "been subjected to rigorous safety"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "controls. It's a separate argument"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "whether they're effective. You can there"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "are"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "you can make arguments that there's some"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "effectiveness in some people but what"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "you cannot argue ever is that vaccines"}, {"end": "00:39:31", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "are truly safe because they are"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "inherently unsafe. So like every other"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "drug, right? Some people are allergic to"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "aspirin, some people are allergic to,"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "you know, cough medicine. You cannot"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "give one product to everybody and expect"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "that it's going to be safe. It's"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "impossible. That's why we have in the"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "United States and there is in Israel a"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "vaccine injury compensation program. But"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "that's a completely broken system."}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "That's a different topic. But you know,"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "we've been sold this complete lie that"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "vaccines are safe. They're not safe. And"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "this book is definitive in showing you"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "step by step by step it's not safe. And"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "I love the book in that it starts with"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "like, you know, you may be wondering and"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "why is it that some parents are against"}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "what the doctors say and like get a cup"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "of coffee, sit down and relax. And by"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "the end of the book, it's like this is a"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "crime against humanity. And it is"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "because they know that people and"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "children, babies, you know, babies are"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "going to die from these interventions"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "for the for the greater good. And that's"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "just"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "I mean One of the things that the book"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "makes clear is that vaccines have never"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "been tested together. And so we know you"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "shouldn't take a pseudafed and a nyquil"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "at the same time because they contra but"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "we've never properly studied what maybe"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "and it it's not against all vaccines."}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "It's how to choose based on the science"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "of each one. But we don't know how they"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "react together. We don't know the"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "dosage. We don't know the age. We know"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "none of that because we willfully refuse"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "to know it."}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "Absolutely. Well, and exactly right. And"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "and this is willful willful blindness."}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "They you know the powers that be"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "absolutely understand that this stuff is"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "unsafe. So we keep getting this"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "mythology. It's interesting from this"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "announcement that from the secretary you"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "know the Paul offets the the key medical"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "spokespeople for the program. They go"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "out these people for 20 years have"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "refused to debate with Robert Kennedy."}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "Peter Hotes is another one. Listen if"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "you were certain that vaccines were safe"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "wouldn't you debate anybody? and and"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "turtles all the way down makes this"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "point. These are there are there there's"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "science that they will not do. There"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "there are debates that they will not"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "have. They just want to keep"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "perpetuating this mythology. They're"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "safe and effective. They save lives. And"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "you know, I think we're done with that."}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "I think the good news postcoavid is"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "we're done. But I I as Bobby Kennedy has"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "said, and he founded Children's Health"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "Defense, we're going to have to have"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "some kind of reckoning over COVID. And"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "it hasn't happened yet. Whether it's a"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "truth and reconciliation commission,"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "whether it's real hearings in the Senate"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "or the House of Representatives, there's"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "got to be a reckoning because what we"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "just lived through is something that I"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "never want to see happen again anywhere"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "in the world, let alone in the United"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "States,"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "right? That's why we had Nerburgg,"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "We don't want to ever see that happen"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "again. Um, absolutely right, Mary. Great"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "to see you. Thank you so much for your"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "incredible work and thanks for shedding"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "light on this. Um, Bill Gates is not"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "going to be happy about this. Appreciate"}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "it, Mary. I can hope."}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "Yeah, exactly. Thank you. All right,"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "coming up on the show,"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "we're gonna talk about a COVID"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "whistleblower. Um, we were hoodwinkedked"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "about the COVID lab leak story and the"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "whistleblower story. Dan Cohen is going"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "to be joining us. He's been tracking"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "this story and um it's pretty"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "remarkable. Plus, Howard Stern crashes"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "out and legacy media is dying. How in"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "the world does Anderson Cooper have a 30"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "person staff?"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "200."}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "No, Steven Co. How did Steven Colbear"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "have a 200 person staff? How did how"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "does Howard Stern have a 98 person or 95"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "person staff? Like what what is going"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "on? Legacy media is dying. And when all"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "of these drugs and biioharmaceutical"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "companies start stop funding their"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "advertising, oh man, it's going to be a"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "totally different media landscape. And I"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "am there for it. I can't wait for it. Uh"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "we're going to get to all of that, but"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "first"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "first we want to tell you about our"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "friends over at Chapter because if you"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "are nearing the age where you can use"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "Medicare or you already do, how do you"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "know if you have the best plan? Well,"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "there are Medicare consultants, but a"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "lot of times they push you into a plan"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "where they get some kind of kick. It's"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "good for them and not for you. 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You can call"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "the number on your screen or go to"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "askchapter.org. org/redacted."}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "So the number is 202655-55811"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "or go to askchapter.org/redacted."}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "All right. Well, were we hoodwinkedked"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "about the COVID lab leak whistleblower?"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "You know, the whole COVID came from a"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "lab in China. There are holes in that"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "story and Dan Cohen uh went to"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "investigate that on his uncaptured"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "media. He says that Dr. Dr. Lee Mangan"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "presented herself as a whistleblower who"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "had fled China to tell the world that CO"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "came from a lab and was a boweapon."}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "Well, that story is full of holes. Uh"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "she had worked with American scientists"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "many times in her career. She married a"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "scientist who had Pentagon contracts. Uh"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "that's weird. Later she accused him of"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "being a Chinese spy. Does the Pentagon"}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "employ Chinese spies for verology"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "research? I wonder. Uh so Dan, welcome"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "back to Redacted and maybe you can tell"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "us how you found the story and why it"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "matters."}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "Yeah, good to be with you. Um I have to"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "give credit to my co-author on this"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "story, a uh uh a man named Mark Kulak uh"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "of husatonic.live who's one of the best"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "researchers and archivists out there. He"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "and uh Jonathan Kui, PhD of Gigah"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "Biological U figured this out more than"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "a year ago. So what I did is basically"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "take a lot of the work they did and turn"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "it into journalistic uh format. Um so"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "you know the the broader public uh can"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "can understand the level of deception"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "that we have been exposed to not simply"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "about the lab leak story and not not"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "even just about the the co story about"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "but but about a much broader"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "multi-generational"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "deception about pandemics um that"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "they're even possible. And so really"}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "this is the the tip of the iceberg. And"}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "Lie Mang Yan"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "uh appeared in July 2020 when we were"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "all uh dealing with lockdowns and and"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "being separated from families and job"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "closures and these kinds of things. And"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "everyone is terrified of this supposedly"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "novel virus going around. and Lie Mang"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "Yan appears suddenly on uh Tucker"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "Carlson show back when he was still at"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "Fox News saying that this is actually a"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "Chinese boweapon. The Chinese government"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "created this uh released it and then"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "covered up humanto human transmission"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "and then therefore they have to pay."}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "They are responsible for this in fact."}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "Um so then Lee Mangan was all over all"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "over the media. She went on a number of"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "podcasts and for years she has been uh"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "considered a basically a credible um"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "figure given cred credible testimony um"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "on this subject. She did tours with"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "figures like uh Dr. Robert Malone who is"}, {"end": "00:47:35", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "a an adviser a top adviser to children's"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "health defense of um the I think the"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:35", "text": "president of of which we you just had on"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "Mary Holland um along with Dr. Dr."}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "Richard Erso, Dr. Ryan Cole, and doing"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "tours across the United States, uh, in"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "churches, in any kind of public forum"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "talking about her story being a a"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "Chinese whistleblower. And, um, in fact,"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "as you mentioned, Natalie, she never"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "said in any public appearance that we"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "were able to find that she had ever been"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "in the United States. She made it appear"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "as if she was a mid-level scientist at"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "this uh lab in Hong Kong and found out"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "that um from a source in the Chinese CDC"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "that she uh that that um that it was a"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "bioweapon that CO was a bioweapon and"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "that there was humanto human"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "transmission that was being covered up."}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "But in fact, she was married in 2014 in"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "Manhattan in New York City. There's a"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "photo in the original Fox News uh"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "article on her of her wedding uh party"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "which is in like a barn in what looks"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "like rural New York or Jersey or"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "Pennsylvania. Um and unless that's a"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "theme park, an American like country"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "theme park in China, then it's clear"}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "that she would I mean it's it's"}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "obviously it's it's documented she was"}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "at least married here. She may have"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "spent more significant time. She is"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "married into one of the most prominent"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "uh families in the biomemed"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "establishment here in Washington DC. And"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "she also not only has um personal"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "connections, but she worked in Hong Kong"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "under the um two scientists who were"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "essential in creating the co narrative."}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "um and even going back to isolating the"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "SARS virus in 2003 and have and then"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "were were again um essential in um not"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "only the CO 19 the in in uh supposedly"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "uh SARS KV2 but also coming up with the"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:47", "text": "um the uh counter measures that were"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "recommended to the World Health"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "Organization and then many countries"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "adopted. They also came up with the they"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "also designed the PCR diagnostic test"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "which uh the World Health Organization"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "used which actually did not specifically"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "test for SARS Kovv2 but was a pan corona"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "virus uh test. So it would not just find"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "SARS KV2 would be any fragment of any um"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "viral particle in anybody's nose it"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "would pick up on. So it was not actually"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "testing that. That was that was one of"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "the the ways that that was the primary"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "way that uh there was basically and what"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "I what I it's not what I believe is what"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "I think the evidence uh shows was a"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "faked pandemic and the lab leak"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "narrative that Lee Mangan"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "promoted was one side of a dialectical"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "propaganda campaign where for years"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "we've been people have been arguing did"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "it come from nature or did it come from"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "a AB, but this is all based on the"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "assumption that there was a novel virus"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "and in fact there's no evidence of that"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "and there's evidence that a pandemic was"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "faked. Um, and so I there are this is"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "again this is the tip of the iceberg."}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "Yeah, this is I mean this is the"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "Go ahead, Clayton."}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "Go ahead, Dan. No, it was the tip of the"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "iceberg. Go ahead. Didn't mean to"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "interrupt. I'm just"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "Well, this is to me this is the tip of"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "tip of the iceberg in the sense that"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "there's this deception that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "everyone thinks it's lab leak now. Um,"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "and it's and that is the everyone thinks"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "it came from a lab. Um, that was"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "relegated to the extreme rightwing at"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "the at the very beginning to neocons"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "like Tom Cotton. But in fact, this is a"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "narrative that was brought about by"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "Steve Bannon. We know that Steve Bannon"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "also played a role in um a huge role in"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "bringing President Trump to power um by"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "shaping him as kind of this conservative"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "populist even though Trump was a"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "longtime Democratic party New York state"}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "real estate mogul. And then Bannon"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "brings in this uh this doctor who has an"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "obviously faked story and has omitted"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "key aspects of it. And then the story"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "goes from like, you know, Trump quickly"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "adopts it, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, uh,"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "faux populist right-wing figures and"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "neoonservatives who have an axe to grind"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "with China. And Steve Bannon was on the"}, {"end": "00:52:24", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "payroll of a guy named Miles Guo, who is"}, {"end": "00:52:27", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "a uh who is a fugitive billionaire from"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "China who was dead set on overthrowing"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:27", "text": "the Chinese government. Um, he he came"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "to the United States. He ended up"}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "committing huge amounts of fraud and"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "he's now in prison inside the United"}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "States for defrauding like millions of"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "dollars uh defrauding people out of"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "millions of dollars buying a yacht from"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "which he declared the Federal Republic"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "of China, the Federal State of China, I"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "think it's called like a Juan Guyaido"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "style operation to um to replace the"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "Chinese government in the New York in"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "the New York harbor with the the Statue"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "of Liberty in the background. So that's"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "where this lab leak thing originated and"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "then it's been slowly adopted by the"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "mainstream and when it was considered"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "right-wing and racist, it slowly became"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "mainstreamed and it was made to feel"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "like the subversive dissident narrative"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "because if you said lab leak, not only"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "you were called racist, you could be"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "censored, you could be kicked off of"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "Facebook and Instagram or your ex"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "account, your Twitter account at that"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "time could be suspended. But that made"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "it feel like, oh well, maybe the"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "establishment doesn't want us to think"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "about that. And so it it actually has,"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "you know, that's that's to me that's"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "like clearly what they wanted us to"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "think. And now it's the official"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "position of the US government."}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "I guess that's what I was that's what"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "I'm thinking of all of this, right? It's"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "a brilliant cover story. It's like a"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "brilliant sort of medical flag event,"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "I let I escaped China and I'm bringing"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "this story to you, the American people."}, {"end": "00:53:58", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "And yeah, if people post about this on"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "on X, then your accounts, that's like"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:58", "text": "the dirty thing. It's like telling"}, {"end": "00:54:04", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "teenagers like don't look in that room,"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "you know, don't look behind that door."}, {"end": "00:54:06", "start": "00:54:04", "text": "What are teenagers going to do? They're"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "going to look behind that door."}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:06", "text": "So, it's a brilliant false flag medical"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "story. I mean, that's the way I see it."}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "Am I wrong?"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "No, that's exactly it. That's one of the"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "I think one of the key um tools of of uh"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "information warfare if we can call it"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "that in the modern social media era"}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "where we think that um okay Facebook is"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "has been you know is censoring and"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "Instagram is censoring and they're"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "acting independently but in fact we know"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "that these operate that these"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "organizations um well of course Facebook"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "and Instagram are meta but the different"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "you know Tik Tok X we know and before"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "when it was Twitter that they operate in"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "concert. So we've been funneled to think"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "certain ways while making us think that"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "we are actually thinking uh freely. Um"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "and again all of this is predicated on"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "the idea that a pandemic is even a"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "biologically plausible event. And if you"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "if you uh talk to Jonathan Jooie, PhD,"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "who formerly worked who was a top"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "adviser to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and was"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "a and was a scientist for children's"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "health defense um and was fired for"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "criticizing Robert Malone. He will tell"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "you he was and he was also a huge"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "proponent of lab leak theory at the"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "beginning and he realized that it was a"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "that it was totally uh fictional that it"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "was biologically impossible. And so he's"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "the guy to talk to about about all this"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "who can go into much more detail. He can"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "tell you exactly why a pandemic is not a"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "real thing. He can give you a lot of"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "detail on this. Um what I do is tend to"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "look more at at at propaganda and and"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "figures like Lee Mangan. So there's a"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "much greater"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "uh agenda that like I said at the"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "beginning is multi-generational that we"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "have to go back decades to understand of"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "why would they want us to think there's"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "a pandemic? What is what is the real"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "reason for all of these lies? Um you"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "know there was of course the"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "unprecedented transfer upward transfer"}, {"end": "00:56:18", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "of wealth during the co era. Um you know"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "the the radical transformation of"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:18", "text": "society where we now live in our"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "smartphones. When I go to a restaurant I"}, {"end": "00:56:27", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "order through a smartphone. Everything"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "is through a QR code. The destruction um"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:27", "text": "of workingass small businesses. That"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "market share taken up. But there are"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "much even greater um uh agendas than"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "that that you know I think maybe we"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "should save for another time. But um I"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "guess what I would say is the fact there"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "are key actors like Robert Malone, Dr."}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "Robert Malone who know that uh who who"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "were in on this um who have been placed"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "in what is a controlled opposition of a"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "health freedom movement. And these are"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "the people who are advising Robert F."}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "Kennedy Jr. And that's why when Jonathan"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "Jooie told Robert F. Kennedy, hey, wait"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "a minute. The whole basis for your book,"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "The Wuhan Coverup, is is is bogus. This"}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "doesn't even make sense. He was politely"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "shown the door. So there's there a"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "there's a an intricate web of"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "deceptions. And I mean if I I you know"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "there are certain people who who I think"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "um I know know that they are liars. Um"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "you know Tucker Carlson was one of the"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "fir he was the first person I think or"}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "maybe the second person to interview Lee"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "Manan. I don't know what his intent was."}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "I can't uh you know I can't infer his"}, {"end": "00:57:49", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "intent. I would like to ask Tucker"}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "Carlson how that happened. And you know"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:49", "text": "the same with the Guardian and CNN why"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "nobody whether the supporters of Lee Lee"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "Mangan or the critics of Lee Mangan"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "bothered to look into her background and"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "find this publicly available information"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:02", "text": "that she actually is married into one of"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "the biggest uh uh biomedical families in"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "the US. She's she is from the"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "establishment. So, um, you know, and and"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "if if Tucker is willing to pursue that,"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "I mean, again, the figure to interview"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "to really get to the bottom of this is"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "Jonathan J. Cooey. So,"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "that's"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "I've watched the videos that you you"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "sent and you can find that more on"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "Uncaptured Media and Dan is a dog with a"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "bone over this because he's not having"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "it. If we're going to, you know, argue"}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "this in a bipartisan way, lab leak, not"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "lab leak, you know, real or not real,"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "it's a distraction from the"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "pharmmocratic state, I think, is where"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "you're where you're going with this. So,"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "thank you for bringing us this story."}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "Thank you, Dan. Joining us from the"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "swamp of DC, how hot is it there in DC"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "right now? Oh my god, it's like we're"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "we're dying in our studio right now."}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "It's hot as hot as balls."}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "Yeah. you know, there was like a"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "horrible period uh where it was like 98"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "99 degrees in total humidity here, but"}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "for some reason these last few days,"}, {"end": "00:59:11", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "we've been blessed with like relatively"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "cool weather. So, I'm"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:11", "text": "I'm just trying to not change"}, {"end": "00:59:15", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "relatively"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "in the dog days of summer in the in the"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:15", "text": "Washington DC swamp."}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "Yeah, exactly."}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "Dan, great to see you as always. Thank"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "you so much. And check out Uncaptured"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "Media where Dan does all of his great"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "work. Great journalist. Thank you, Dan."}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "Thanks so much."}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "I again I can count on like two hands"}, {"end": "00:59:33", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "maybe like the best journalists in the"}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "United States and and you were just"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:33", "text": "looking at one of them there right Dan"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "whenever I see something especially he's"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "really"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "Go ahead Phil"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "Oh no I didn't want to interrupt you I"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "was just going to point out that like if"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "Tucker interviewed uh her when he was on"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "Fox then likely it was some producer"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "that had discovered her and he it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "like Tucker reached out to her to"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "interview her. Isn't that how that would"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "work Clayton? I mean, I know you worked"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "at Fox. That's just my assumption."}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "Yeah. I mean, I don't want to defend and"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "because I don't know that situation with"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "Tucker. Tucker had a staff of like 17"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "people when he worked at Fox. Um, and so"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "he had producers and things like that"}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "that would probably bring him guest"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "ideas and things like that, but Tucker"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:11", "text": "has a massive rolodex. I mean, Tucker"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "knows everybody."}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "So, yeah, it's an interesting question"}, {"end": "01:00:22", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "like how would that get like maybe"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "Tucker didn't know who she was or didn't"}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:22", "text": "know anything about her background, you"}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "know? I mean, I don't know. I have no"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "idea. So, did one of his producers or"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "did somebody like Powers that be try to"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "get He told me I mean, Tucker told me"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "like Fox shot down when he wanted to"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "have Trump on his show. Fox was pissed"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "that he had Trump on his show. Like,"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "they kind of got in the way and told him"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "not to do that. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "So, I don't know exactly what sort of"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "back and forth the powers would be at"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:45", "text": "Fox versus"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:47", "text": "versus his own production staff or him"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "personally."}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "Question."}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "Tucker knows everybody though. So, does"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "does he know that person? I don't I have"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "no idea."}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "Or was he fed that story from someone he"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "trusted, right? Because a lot of us have"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "had"}, {"end": "01:01:02", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "um yeah,"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "we've we've had guests on from people we"}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:01:02", "text": "trusted and we're not sure, you know,"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "like we can't vouch for everybody. We're"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "doing our best to ask questions of"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "everybody who has something to say."}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "So yeah, it's a it's a good question."}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "So yeah, Dan's MSAD. Can you imagine?"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "Can you imagine if Dan Dan Cohen Hold"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "on. Dan's still here. Dan, you want to"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "answer that? Dan, are you um you're MSAD"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "apparently?"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "I mean just cuz I'm just cuz I'm Jewish."}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "I mean it's pretty lazy. I don't know. I"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "guess I'm uh what what makes me sad? Is"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "it I"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "Rumble is still down. Is Rumble still"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "down? People are saying"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "no."}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "You can hear us."}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:42", "text": "I see it."}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "Yep. Remote looks good. I just checked"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "both streams, so I think we're good to"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "go."}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "As soon as uh as soon as we start"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "talking about MSAD, it's so funny. Like"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "I mean, coincidence. I don't know. Who"}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "the heck knows these outages? It's kind"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "of Okay, you guys can hear us. All"}, {"end": "01:02:04", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "right. All right. I want to do this uh"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "Stern story. I want to do this here in a"}, {"end": "01:02:09", "start": "01:02:04", "text": "second. Um but first, got to tell you"}, {"end": "01:02:11", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "about our friends. Got to tell you about"}, {"end": "01:02:13", "start": "01:02:09", "text": "our friends over at Lear Capital because"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:11", "text": "right now I I don't know if you saw what"}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:13", "text": "President Trump just did yesterday with"}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "with Apple. Apple in the White House"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "announcing that mining where they're"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "going to be supporting the mining"}, {"end": "01:02:27", "start": "01:02:21", "text": "operations in the United States only is"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "huge. 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Just"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "sit down with your loved ones and go"}, {"end": "01:03:26", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "over it just to understand. They're an"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "education company first or just go to"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:26", "text": "the website leerred redacted.com. But I"}, {"end": "01:03:31", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "prefer giving them a call because"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "they're an American company and they're"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:31", "text": "a great team. 1 800613557.\""}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "All right. So, can we even get like"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "super chats up here on the screen? Let's"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "try this. Oh yeah, Juan Don says to get"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "people attached to their mobile devices,"}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "not just phones. Talking about like what"}, {"end": "01:03:51", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "Dan was just talking about the biometric"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:48", "text": "um you know scanning and and Palunteer"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:51", "text": "and everything like that. Um thank you"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "for your $1 super chat. Appreciate that."}, {"end": "01:04:00", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "We're just trying the new software here."}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "I think it's working. Think it's"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:00", "text": "working. Okay, let's talk about Howard"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "Stern. While the Howard Stern crash out"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "was inevitable in my opinion, but of"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "course Stern will spin it differently."}, {"end": "01:04:15", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "So, first it was Steven Colbear's CBS"}, {"end": "01:04:18", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "Late Show, Dumpster Fire, collapsing"}, {"end": "01:04:20", "start": "01:04:15", "text": "under the weight of 200 overpaid writers"}, {"end": "01:04:23", "start": "01:04:18", "text": "and interns who couldn't tell a joke or"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:20", "text": "write a joke. Now Howard Stern, gone,"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:23", "text": "done, washed up. According to reports"}, {"end": "01:04:29", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "this week, some, by the way, someone had"}, {"end": "01:04:31", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "to leak this story. Whether it was like"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:29", "text": "on the SiriusXM side or someone from"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:31", "text": "like the Stern staff had to have leaked"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "this story. The only way we'd even know"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "about it, Howard Stern's show might not"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "be renewed by Sirius XM. And let's be"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "honest, it's long overdue because it"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "turns out when you spend your entire"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "show mocking the very audience that"}, {"end": "01:04:51", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "built your career, things eventually"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "fall apart. They deteriorate. When you"}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:51", "text": "spend your show talking to washed up"}, {"end": "01:04:59", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "liberal Hollywood elite pedophiles,"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "no one wants to listen to that anymore."}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:04:59", "text": "You want to like sit there and listen to"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "Tom Hanks"}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "tell funny movie stories? No. I want to"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "hear about the real stuff with Tom Hanks"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "that you're not going to ask."}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "According to reports, Stern's $500"}, {"end": "01:05:17", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "million per year contract won't be"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "renewed. Sirius doesn't want to spend"}, {"end": "01:05:22", "start": "01:05:17", "text": "that money on a failing show. But let's"}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "rewind the tape. Howard's decline didn't"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:22", "text": "just start recently. The seeds of this"}, {"end": "01:05:30", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "were planted back at least in 2016,"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "maybe earlier than that, maybe even"}, {"end": "01:05:35", "start": "01:05:30", "text": "before he moved over to SiriusXM."}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "He decided to go allin at that time in"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:35", "text": "2016 for Hillary Clinton."}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "Remember that? I mean, the guy who built"}, {"end": "01:05:45", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "his empire talking to strippers and"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "lesbians and telling fart jokes and"}, {"end": "01:05:52", "start": "01:05:45", "text": "trashing bigwig politicians, mocking"}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "mocking bigwig politicians"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:52", "text": "who used to do prank phone calls,"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "suddenly became a mouthpiece for the"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "deep state's least charismatic demon,"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "Hillary Clinton. wararmonger Hillary"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "Clinton, the creator of the Russian"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "collusion hoax, pushing the FBI to push"}, {"end": "01:06:13", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "a fake freaking story."}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "That that's that's why I think that like"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:13", "text": "I can't help but feel like this has to"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:15", "text": "all be about money cuz how can these"}, {"end": "01:06:22", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "people that are so open and like let's"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "totally support free speech all of a"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:22", "text": "sudden turn on a dime and be like"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "antithetical like just the complete"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "enemies of free speech? It makes zero"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "sense to me."}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "I don't know like who's funding it. I"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "God only knows. I have no idea because"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "he did to me he did a complete 180. Um"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "because do you really think that like"}, {"end": "01:06:45", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "long haul truckers, the electricians,"}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "the the bluecollar dudes who made up"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:45", "text": "Stern's audience and who were who made"}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "Stern a household name"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "supported Hillary Clinton."}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:54", "text": "The woman who called them deplorables."}, {"end": "01:07:01", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "I mean, think about that for a second."}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:58", "text": "like a long haul trucker driving through"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:01", "text": "the rust belt of America going through"}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "Pennsylvania into Ohio, whatever"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "listening to Stern on their satellite"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "radio. And I know a lot of long haul"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "truckers listen to Sirius XM radio"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "because they at least can have that same"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "signal across the nation no matter where"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "they are. If they listen to the highway,"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "the country music station on Sirius or"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "whatever it is, they listen to satellite"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "radio."}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "So, do you think that those truckers"}, {"end": "01:07:31", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "support Hillary Clinton?"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "Of course not. They don't."}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:31", "text": "It is possible that Howard Stern carries"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "around hot sauce with him and that"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "really resonated with him that she had"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "it in her purse. You know what I mean?"}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "Like something something like that."}, {"end": "01:07:43", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "That's about it. That's about the only"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "thing. I mean, they were New York"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:43", "text": "elites. They knew each other, of course,"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "so they're friendly in that regard. And"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "they all swim in those circles and they"}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "live in that bubble. So, it made sense."}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "Then came co and oh boy like Stern"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:54", "text": "turned into a woke idiot. Built his"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "studio out of his house. He was like oh"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "my god. He went full on he went fullon"}, {"end": "01:08:07", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "crazy person. Germaphobe. Not leaving"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "the house."}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:07", "text": "Kind of a nut. And he he admitted he"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "became a woke idiot and he totally"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "embraced it. Listen."}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "By the way, I kind of take that as a"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "compliment that I'm woke. I'll tell you"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "how I um feel about it."}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "To me, the opposite of woke is being"}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "asleep."}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "And"}, {"end": "01:08:34", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "if woke means I can't get behind Trump,"}, {"end": "01:08:36", "start": "01:08:31", "text": "which is what I think it means, or that"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:34", "text": "I support people who want to be"}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:36", "text": "transgender or I'm for the vaccine,"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "dude, call me woke as you want."}, {"end": "01:08:50", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "I'm not for stupidity. You know, I ran"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "out Friday morning. I was over at CVS."}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:50", "text": "Thank you, CVS. I went over there 9:00"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "a.m. and got myself that new vaccine for"}, {"end": "01:08:59", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "COVID."}, {"end": "01:09:03", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "science. This country is"}, {"end": "01:09:03", "start": "01:08:59", "text": "so great."}, {"end": "01:09:08", "start": "01:09:03", "text": "Science at the speed of science. This"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "country is so great. Operation Warp"}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:08", "text": "Speed. We're able to push out these"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "vaccines without proper trials on human"}, {"end": "01:09:15", "start": "01:09:11", "text": "beings. We used emergency use"}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "authorization."}, {"end": "01:09:20", "start": "01:09:15", "text": "pushing these on Americans."}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "I mean, he really Howard went to Boston"}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:20", "text": "University, didn't he? I mean, or Boston"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "College, I can never remember. Anyway,"}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:24", "text": "he's a smart guy. He's got a high IQ."}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "Like, the fact that he didn't question"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "any of this."}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "Anyway, Howard became a walking Fizer"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "ad. He mocked his audience for it. The"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "same people who tuned in every day for"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "decades for not getting the clot shots."}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "He openly called unvaccinated people"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "morons and killers."}, {"end": "01:09:49", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "you're a killer. Sort of like what Jimmy"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "Kimmel, his buddy Jimmy Kimmel, would"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:49", "text": "say about people who didn't get the"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "shot."}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "You basically don't have a right to"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "normal society. You basically don't have"}, {"end": "01:10:00", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "a right to live. I mean, as Mike Adams,"}, {"end": "01:10:01", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "friend of the show, Mike Adams, said,"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:10:00", "text": "Trump just tripled down on Operation"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:10:01", "text": "Warp Speed, a program that he thinks"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "killed at least 1.5 million Americans,"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "injured, and maimed millions more,"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "including active duty service members,"}, {"end": "01:10:16", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "many we've interviewed here on the show."}, {"end": "01:10:17", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "According to Mike Adams, how many"}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:16", "text": "millions of people have died from this?"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:17", "text": "Howard Stern making fun of those people"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "for questioning it? Again, how many"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "active duty members of the military have"}, {"end": "01:10:28", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "we interviewed here? How many people"}, {"end": "01:10:30", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "who've flown flights and helicopter"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:28", "text": "pilots and others who were permanently"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:30", "text": "injured as a result of all of this?"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "Even Trump yesterday weighed in on all"}, {"end": "01:10:40", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "of this on Stern's fall from grace and"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "even said Jimmy Kimmel is next to be"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:40", "text": "fired. Watch this."}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "I've got an entertainmentbased question"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "for you. A few weeks ago, Steven Cobear"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "announced that he was leaving his show."}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "Howard Stern announced that he him and"}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:51", "text": "Sirius XM radio are parting ways. Do you"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "think the hate Trump business model"}, {"end": "01:11:01", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "that's been in the entertainment"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "business is going out of business"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:11:01", "text": "because it's not popular with the"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "American people?"}, {"end": "01:11:07", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "Well, it hasn't worked and it hasn't"}, {"end": "01:11:08", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "worked really for a long time. And I"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:07", "text": "would say pretty much from the"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:08", "text": "beginning, Co Bear has no talent. I"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "mean, I could take anybody here. I could"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "go outside on the beautiful streets and"}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "pick a couple of people that do just as"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "well or better. They get higher ratings"}, {"end": "01:11:23", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "than he did. He's got no talent. Fallon"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "has no talent. Kimmel has no talent."}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:23", "text": "They're next. They're going to be going."}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "I hear they're going to be going. I"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:26", "text": "don't know, but I would imagine because"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "they get, you know, Co Bear has better"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "ratings than Kimmel or Fallon. You know"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "that. Uh Howard Stern, it's a name I"}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "haven't heard. I used to do a show, used"}, {"end": "01:11:39", "start": "01:11:36", "text": "to have fun, but I haven't heard that"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:38", "text": "name in a long time. What happened? He"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:39", "text": "got terminated."}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "Yeah. They're going to separate ways"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "because I think what they're offering"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "salary wise is real low than what he's"}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:45", "text": "getting."}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:45", "text": "You know when he went down"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:47", "text": "whenever you want."}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "You know when he went down? No. Before"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "when he endorsed Hillary Clinton, he"}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "lost his audience."}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "People said give me a break. He went"}, {"end": "01:12:02", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "down when he endorsed Hillary Clinton."}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "Ouch."}, {"end": "01:12:06", "start": "01:12:02", "text": "When Stern wasn't pushing big pharma, he"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "was having what could only be described"}, {"end": "01:12:11", "start": "01:12:06", "text": "as a verbal lovemaking session with Kla"}, {"end": "01:12:13", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "Harris, arguably the dumbest person to"}, {"end": "01:12:15", "start": "01:12:11", "text": "ever run for president, president of the"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:13", "text": "United States. Stern acted like he was"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:15", "text": "interviewing Einstein,"}, {"end": "01:12:24", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "fawning over her. It was disgusting."}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "softball questions. No questions about"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:24", "text": "her description of Cal, her destruction"}, {"end": "01:12:33", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "of California, nothing."}, {"end": "01:12:35", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "How is Joe Biden? And then he did that"}, {"end": "01:12:38", "start": "01:12:33", "text": "horrible interview with Joe Biden with"}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:35", "text": "more softball questions like how about"}, {"end": "01:12:41", "start": "01:12:38", "text": "questions about like the auto pen? Who"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "was actually running the White House?"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:41", "text": "Cuz clearly you're not. You you're a"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "demented fool. You're out to lunch. Nah."}, {"end": "01:12:50", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "So naturally Stern's audience vanished."}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "But it's not like SiriusXM didn't try to"}, {"end": "01:12:54", "start": "01:12:50", "text": "keep the corpse moving along. And and"}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "I'm actually be curious about those"}, {"end": "01:12:58", "start": "01:12:54", "text": "overall audience numbers to be honest"}, {"end": "01:13:00", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "with you. Like who who was actually"}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:58", "text": "listening to Stern?"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:00", "text": "They gave him $500 million for this"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "train wreck of a show. And the"}, {"end": "01:13:10", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "advertising is crazy. I was just at the"}, {"end": "01:13:13", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "Toyota dealership the other day"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:10", "text": "getting my uh my my truck updated with"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:13", "text": "something and I was there and in the"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "lobby, you know, cuz they got Sirius XM"}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "kind of comes standard on all of them."}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "You pay for the subscription or"}, {"end": "01:13:24", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "whatever. So, they've got like a big"}, {"end": "01:13:26", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "stande that had Stern's face on it and"}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:24", "text": "then other artists from other channels"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:26", "text": "and things like that, but they still do"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "that marketing push for Howard Stern."}, {"end": "01:13:33", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "It's in car dealerships, you know, still"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "out there. So Sirius is spending the"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:33", "text": "money to promote the show. Um I like"}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "SiriusXM cuz I like listening to"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "different music stations, you know, or"}, {"end": "01:13:43", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "listen to my Phillies games on, you"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "know, that's how I listen to it. I don't"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:43", "text": "listen to Stern on there. Um"}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "Beatles channel stations."}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "What's that?"}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:49", "text": "The Beatles channel, channel 18."}, {"end": "01:13:54", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "Oh, the Beatles channel. I listen to the"}, {"end": "01:13:57", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "Beatles channel a lot. I listen to 80s"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:54", "text": "on 8. I love my 80s music. Um I listen"}, {"end": "01:14:01", "start": "01:13:57", "text": "to country. I listen to all that kind of"}, {"end": "01:14:03", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "stuff. And I flip around. Yacht Rock"}, {"end": "01:14:05", "start": "01:14:01", "text": "Radio as my kids love to My kids always"}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:03", "text": "do that impression. Yacht Rock Radio."}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:05", "text": "You want to listen to a little Hall of"}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "Notes in there. Anyway, I'm not"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "listening to Stern, I'll tell you that"}, {"end": "01:14:12", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "much. So, I'm curious about those"}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "numbers. But you're paying him $500"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:12", "text": "million for this train wreck of a show."}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "And the advertising is crazy. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "again, it's crazy. But here's the"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "kicker. He has a staff of 95 people."}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "95 for a radio show."}, {"end": "01:14:33", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "What are they doing all day? Booking two"}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "guests in his show. He usually has like"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:33", "text": "what? Two guests."}, {"end": "01:14:40", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "But isn't radio show"}, {"end": "01:14:42", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "isn't he kind of like when they first"}, {"end": "01:14:44", "start": "01:14:40", "text": "started XM he's kind of like the first"}, {"end": "01:14:47", "start": "01:14:42", "text": "person that like was on there, right? I"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:44", "text": "mean, he was like the the biggest pull"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:47", "text": "on XM radio to get people to subscribe."}, {"end": "01:14:54", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "So, I mean he's like the godfather of"}, {"end": "01:14:56", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "the of the platform."}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:54", "text": "Yeah. I mean he but it existed before"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:56", "text": "him, right?"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "Yeah. But I don't think I don't think"}, {"end": "01:15:04", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "anybody was buying it before him is what"}, {"end": "01:15:05", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "I'm getting. Like I think"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:04", "text": "I don't know about that. I mean I'd be"}, {"end": "01:15:09", "start": "01:15:05", "text": "curious what the subscript I know he"}, {"end": "01:15:10", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "drove a lot of subscriptions"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:09", "text": "and it was part and parcel him"}, {"end": "01:15:15", "start": "01:15:10", "text": "announcing on his live broadcast show"}, {"end": "01:15:17", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "like hey I'm moving over to SiriusXM"}, {"end": "01:15:20", "start": "01:15:15", "text": "and so many people then abandoned"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:17", "text": "terrestrial radio to move over pay their"}, {"end": "01:15:24", "start": "01:15:20", "text": "monthly subscription to listen to him."}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "He also lost a huge audience from"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "terrestrial radio because people just"}, {"end": "01:15:29", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "couldn't afford it. People were going to"}, {"end": "01:15:30", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "pay that much money per month or"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:29", "text": "whatever it was. I don't even know what"}, {"end": "01:15:34", "start": "01:15:30", "text": "the price was when he first started."}, {"end": "01:15:36", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "Nine bucks a month or something."}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:34", "text": "So anyway, it existed, but you're right."}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:36", "text": "He his poll over there really put them"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "on the map in a big big way. Um but now"}, {"end": "01:15:46", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "people don't I don't know the numbers"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "just don't add up. I don't know how many"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:46", "text": "people are actually using a Sirius XM"}, {"end": "01:15:51", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "subscription just to get Howard Stern"}, {"end": "01:15:54", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "anymore. No one. I don't know. I don't"}, {"end": "01:15:55", "start": "01:15:51", "text": "know anybody that does. I don't"}, {"end": "01:15:57", "start": "01:15:54", "text": "Otherwise does."}, {"end": "01:15:58", "start": "01:15:55", "text": "Otherwise, the the left would be calling"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:57", "text": "him their Joe Rogan, right? They're"}, {"end": "01:16:02", "start": "01:15:58", "text": "like, \"Oh, where's our Joe Rogan? Our"}, {"end": "01:16:05", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "Joe Rogan is actually getting 11 million"}, {"end": "01:16:07", "start": "01:16:02", "text": "views per show, right? Uh downloads.\""}, {"end": "01:16:10", "start": "01:16:05", "text": "And they're like, \"We are Where's our"}, {"end": "01:16:12", "start": "01:16:07", "text": "Joe Rogan?\" I guess it's not Stern. So,"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:10", "text": "but I just don't understand how you have"}, {"end": "01:16:16", "start": "01:16:12", "text": "a staff of 95 people. I'm still stuck on"}, {"end": "01:16:18", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "that point. Like, you're booking like"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:16", "text": "two guests a show. It's him and Robin"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:18", "text": "sitting there just kabitzing about the"}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "news."}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "That's it. I mean, what? 95 people to"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "work on that show to cut phony phone"}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "calls together? I really I mean, what"}, {"end": "01:16:35", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "are they doing all day? Let me just give"}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "you a little comparison. We have five"}, {"end": "01:16:40", "start": "01:16:35", "text": "people that work on our show. Like, not"}, {"end": "01:16:43", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "including Natalie and I, five people"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:40", "text": "total."}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:43", "text": "Um, and last month on YouTube"}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "for day than Stern. Yeah, we have more"}, {"end": "01:16:50", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "guests per day don't than Stern. Anyway,"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "last month on YouTube alone, we had 11"}, {"end": "01:16:56", "start": "01:16:50", "text": "million views. That's just YouTube."}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "And that's during the summer months when"}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:56", "text": "like people are doing other stuff. You"}, {"end": "01:17:03", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "know, they're traveling. 11 million."}, {"end": "01:17:05", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "That doesn't even count Rumble where the"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:03", "text": "majority of our audience now is on"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:05", "text": "Rumble."}, {"end": "01:17:12", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "Free speech platform. Five people that"}, {"end": "01:17:14", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "work on our show, 11 million viewers."}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:12", "text": "Howard Stern has become a bloated media"}, {"end": "01:17:20", "start": "01:17:14", "text": "relic, a washedup, neurotic, woke"}, {"end": "01:17:22", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "germaphobe hiding in his mansion."}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:20", "text": "I used to love Howard back on 94 WYSP"}, {"end": "01:17:25", "start": "01:17:22", "text": "out of Philadelphia when I would deliver"}, {"end": "01:17:27", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "newspapers in the morning. That was my"}, {"end": "01:17:30", "start": "01:17:25", "text": "job, delivering newspapers before"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:27", "text": "school. And uh I'd be out there first"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:30", "text": "thing in the morning with my Walkman on"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:32", "text": "listening to 94 WISP out of"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "Philadelphia. The signal wasn't very"}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "strong where I was in Reading,"}, {"end": "01:17:39", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "Pennsylvania, but it depended on the"}, {"end": "01:17:42", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "street that I was walking at the time"}, {"end": "01:17:44", "start": "01:17:39", "text": "with my newspapers. And I loved it. I"}, {"end": "01:17:47", "start": "01:17:42", "text": "loved how edgy he was. I loved the funny"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:44", "text": "comedy routines. I loved him picking on"}, {"end": "01:17:51", "start": "01:17:47", "text": "politicians. I loved all of that. I I"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "laughed. I enjoyed it as a teenager. You"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:51", "text": "know, that's what, you know, funny kind"}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "of stuff, right?"}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "Um, but anyway, that's a long time ago."}, {"end": "01:18:01", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "Now, Stern is not alone, though. Legacy"}, {"end": "01:18:02", "start": "01:17:58", "text": "Media is imploding. Just two weeks ago,"}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:01", "text": "we learned Steven Colbear's late night"}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:02", "text": "show employs over 200 people. 200 to"}, {"end": "01:18:12", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "tell three jokes and stare awkwardly"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "into the camera."}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:12", "text": "That's what you got 200 people for. No"}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "wonder it's unwatchable. Maybe actually"}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "if they cut it down to 10 people, they'd"}, {"end": "01:18:22", "start": "01:18:18", "text": "actually they'd accidentally write"}, {"end": "01:18:23", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "something funny."}, {"end": "01:18:26", "start": "01:18:22", "text": "And it don't even get me started about"}, {"end": "01:18:31", "start": "01:18:23", "text": "CNN. Last night we learned Anderson"}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:26", "text": "Cooper makes $18 million a year, has a"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:31", "text": "staff of 30 people,"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "and in July his prime time numbers"}, {"end": "01:18:43", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "pulled in 98,000"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "viewers in the key demo. 98,000."}, {"end": "01:18:49", "start": "01:18:43", "text": "That's adults 25 to 54. Like that's the"}, {"end": "01:18:51", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "sweet spot cuz teenagers, no one's"}, {"end": "01:18:54", "start": "01:18:49", "text": "watching CNN."}, {"end": "01:18:56", "start": "01:18:51", "text": "That's it. 98,000 people. you get more"}, {"end": "01:19:01", "start": "01:18:54", "text": "viewers live streaming a car wash or"}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:18:56", "text": "this, by the way, a live eagle camera."}, {"end": "01:19:09", "start": "01:19:01", "text": "So, today I tuned into the big bear bald"}, {"end": "01:19:12", "start": "01:19:03", "text": "eagle live camera, the Nest camera,"}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:09", "text": "and it has more people per day watching"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:12", "text": "this live camera"}, {"end": "01:19:19", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "total throughout the day than Anderson"}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "Cooper."}, {"end": "01:19:22", "start": "01:19:19", "text": "Could you imagine? Anderson Cooper is"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:21", "text": "like, \"You know what? Instead of doing"}, {"end": "01:19:28", "start": "01:19:22", "text": "my show, I'm just going to have I'm just"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:24", "text": "going to put a camera on a bird's nest."}, {"end": "01:19:33", "start": "01:19:28", "text": "Get more viewers than CNN."}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "I don't know if you"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:33", "text": "Now, again, not to gloat, but only for"}, {"end": "01:19:37", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "comparison because I don't have access"}, {"end": "01:19:39", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "to other people's numbers. I have access"}, {"end": "01:19:40", "start": "01:19:37", "text": "to my own numbers for my own show here"}, {"end": "01:19:43", "start": "01:19:39", "text": "at Redacted."}, {"end": "01:19:46", "start": "01:19:40", "text": "In the last 48 hours,"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:43", "text": "just here on YouTube, we had over a"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:46", "text": "million people watching our show. And"}, {"end": "01:19:54", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "again, this is like the doldrums of"}, {"end": "01:19:56", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "summer right now. August, everyone's on"}, {"end": "01:19:59", "start": "01:19:54", "text": "vacation. Kids are out of school. People"}, {"end": "01:20:01", "start": "01:19:56", "text": "are traveling. People are at the pool."}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:19:59", "text": "It's not even counting Rumble, which"}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:01", "text": "again is where the bulk of our audience"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:03", "text": "now lives on Rumble."}, {"end": "01:20:09", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "So, let's ask the big question here. How"}, {"end": "01:20:12", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "in the hell are these networks going to"}, {"end": "01:20:14", "start": "01:20:09", "text": "survive once like RFK Jr. bans all these"}, {"end": "01:20:16", "start": "01:20:12", "text": "biofarmaceutical big advertising on"}, {"end": "01:20:18", "start": "01:20:14", "text": "television? Because again, 70% of their"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:16", "text": "advertising comes from the"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:18", "text": "biioharmaceutical industry. paying $18"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "million a year to Anderson Cooper. I"}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "mean, $500 million for Howard Stern,"}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "Steven Colbear, multi-million dollar"}, {"end": "01:20:34", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "contract, a staff of 200 people."}, {"end": "01:20:36", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "It's not going to happen. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:34", "text": "they're paying Anderson Cooper $18"}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:36", "text": "million just to talk to Jake Tapper"}, {"end": "01:20:42", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "about weather balloons. It's"}, {"end": "01:20:46", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "unsustainable. So, the legacy media"}, {"end": "01:20:49", "start": "01:20:42", "text": "party is over. The age of the bloated"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:46", "text": "smug legacy media dinosaurs is dying"}, {"end": "01:20:55", "start": "01:20:49", "text": "fast and I am totally there for it and"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "I'm enjoying every moment of it."}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:55", "text": "You know, once Johnny Carson said"}, {"end": "01:21:00", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "goodbye, once David Letterman said"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "goodbye, it's, you know, it's all"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:21:00", "text": "downhill from there. But anyway, that's"}, {"end": "01:21:07", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "my thought. I'm just stunned by this um"}, {"end": "01:21:08", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "Howard Stern story, how much money"}, {"end": "01:21:11", "start": "01:21:07", "text": "they're being paid."}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:08", "text": "I just have to say after after hearing"}, {"end": "01:21:15", "start": "01:21:11", "text": "this story and finding out that I'm"}, {"end": "01:21:20", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "doing the work of about 40 Colbear"}, {"end": "01:21:22", "start": "01:21:15", "text": "people, I suddenly feel very overworked."}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:20", "text": "Exactly. I need to I need to hire a"}, {"end": "01:21:27", "start": "01:21:22", "text": "staff of 200 people just to take the"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "workload off of"}, {"end": "01:21:29", "start": "01:21:27", "text": "Oh my god,"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "I didn't realize I was doing that much."}, {"end": "01:21:32", "start": "01:21:29", "text": "Holy cow."}, {"end": "01:21:35", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "Well, also in their industry"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:32", "text": "either that you are either that or the"}, {"end": "01:21:39", "start": "01:21:35", "text": "opposite. they're not doing anything,"}, {"end": "01:21:42", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "which is probably unlikely"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "cuz I I've done I've done like like"}, {"end": "01:21:45", "start": "01:21:42", "text": "large streaming events and and a lot of"}, {"end": "01:21:48", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "the people that were involved in this"}, {"end": "01:21:50", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "was uh kind of old school news media and"}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:48", "text": "they said they absolutely love new media"}, {"end": "01:21:55", "start": "01:21:50", "text": "people because like in their world that"}, {"end": "01:21:58", "start": "01:21:53", "text": "everybody's trained on one specific"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:55", "text": "thing. They have like"}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:58", "text": "Yeah, that's because of unions. if you"}, {"end": "01:22:04", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "have to be like you're a union guy."}, {"end": "01:22:06", "start": "01:22:02", "text": "You're usually typically trained on one"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:04", "text": "thing and that's all you do and you"}, {"end": "01:22:09", "start": "01:22:06", "text": "can't hire people outside of the union"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "to do those things in their world."}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:09", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "They said Yeah. They said they they love"}, {"end": "01:22:15", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "new media people because we just know"}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "how to do everything. It's like I don't"}, {"end": "01:22:18", "start": "01:22:15", "text": "even think twice about the fact that I'm"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "that I'm editing, running the show,"}, {"end": "01:22:21", "start": "01:22:18", "text": "doing the audio, like all of these"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "things all tied together because that's"}, {"end": "01:22:26", "start": "01:22:21", "text": "just what I do."}, {"end": "01:22:28", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "Yeah. When I was at Fox in Los Angeles,"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:26", "text": "that was a union shop at the Fox"}, {"end": "01:22:32", "start": "01:22:28", "text": "affiliate in Los Angeles. my first job"}, {"end": "01:22:33", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "after college and I worked on the"}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:32", "text": "morning show there called Good Day Los"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:33", "text": "Angeles. And uh I remember I got yelled"}, {"end": "01:22:43", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "at one time because I"}, {"end": "01:22:46", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "I went over and used one of the union"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:43", "text": "guys tape machines to do some editing. I"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:46", "text": "had to put together a piece and I was I"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:48", "text": "grabbed a tape and I went over to this"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:49", "text": "tape machine and I like put it in there"}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "because that was like a union machine. I"}, {"end": "01:22:57", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "got in trouble. Like you can't touch a"}, {"end": "01:22:59", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "union person's machine. I mean, that"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:57", "text": "would have been a union violation."}, {"end": "01:23:02", "start": "01:22:59", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:23:03", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "Literally can't have one that person"}, {"end": "01:23:05", "start": "01:23:02", "text": "pressing the button for this, you know?"}, {"end": "01:23:06", "start": "01:23:03", "text": "It's it's crazy. So, you have to hire"}, {"end": "01:23:07", "start": "01:23:05", "text": "the right person who can press that"}, {"end": "01:23:10", "start": "01:23:06", "text": "button."}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:07", "text": "I had a a a job that I was doing because"}, {"end": "01:23:12", "start": "01:23:10", "text": "I was in production, so I didn't have to"}, {"end": "01:23:14", "start": "01:23:11", "text": "be a union, but everybody in production"}, {"end": "01:23:15", "start": "01:23:12", "text": "had to have a what they call it like a"}, {"end": "01:23:17", "start": "01:23:14", "text": "shadow. I can't remember what the the"}, {"end": "01:23:19", "start": "01:23:15", "text": "name of it is, but it's basically like a"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:17", "text": "a person in the union that does the"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:19", "text": "equivalent job that just sits there and"}, {"end": "01:23:24", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "does nothing. But when they when they"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "struck, they they pulled down"}, {"end": "01:23:28", "start": "01:23:24", "text": "everything. We got all our equipment."}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "were rolling it up. We had to like roll"}, {"end": "01:23:33", "start": "01:23:28", "text": "it to the door and then the teamsters"}, {"end": "01:23:35", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "had to push it through the door and then"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:33", "text": "we had to take it take back over. So,"}, {"end": "01:23:39", "start": "01:23:35", "text": "it's like we we the the we couldn't push"}, {"end": "01:23:40", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "things through the doorway to get it out"}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:39", "text": "of the building. The teamsters had to do"}, {"end": "01:23:43", "start": "01:23:40", "text": "that."}, {"end": "01:23:45", "start": "01:23:41", "text": "And I'm not I'm not anti-UN, but I'm"}, {"end": "01:23:47", "start": "01:23:43", "text": "just saying like sometimes it's a bit"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:45", "text": "much."}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:47", "text": "Yeah, I I'm not anti-UN either. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "but you know, it's Yeah, sometimes it"}, {"end": "01:23:57", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "can be a bit much. We I interviewed a"}, {"end": "01:24:00", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "gentleman here a few weeks ago about the"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:57", "text": "death of Hollywood and just talking"}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:00", "text": "about the ridiculous level that you have"}, {"end": "01:24:07", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "to go through paying people just to pull"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:04", "text": "a rope just to press a button. Like this"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:07", "text": "guy is the only guy that through the"}, {"end": "01:24:11", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "union that can press that button. Wait a"}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "minute. I can press the button. No, no,"}, {"end": "01:24:15", "start": "01:24:11", "text": "no, no. We have to hire a person that"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "can press that button. So that's why"}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:15", "text": "inc, you know, movies are so"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "ridiculously expensive. That's why"}, {"end": "01:24:22", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "Hollywood is dying. That's why they're"}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "filming movies in Denmark because it's"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:22", "text": "way cheaper. They're going to Kentucky"}, {"end": "01:24:28", "start": "01:24:24", "text": "to film courthouse scenes instead of"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "trying to, you know, do all that in"}, {"end": "01:24:33", "start": "01:24:28", "text": "California. Anyway,"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "crazy. Yeah. I just It'll be curious."}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:33", "text": "And then, by the way, Howard Stern like"}, {"end": "01:24:37", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "takes the whole summer off also. So,"}, {"end": "01:24:42", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "he's off all summer. They're just like"}, {"end": "01:24:44", "start": "01:24:37", "text": "running reruns. So, um like all of this"}, {"end": "01:24:46", "start": "01:24:42", "text": "news is probably hitting"}, {"end": "01:24:48", "start": "01:24:44", "text": "really"}, {"end": "01:24:49", "start": "01:24:46", "text": "exactly."}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:48", "text": "It's not enough that we're off on"}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:49", "text": "Mondays and Fridays around here. Um,"}, {"end": "01:24:58", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "uh, let's see. Craz"}, {"end": "01:25:00", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "can't pull that up on the screen, huh?"}, {"end": "01:25:02", "start": "01:24:58", "text": "No."}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:25:00", "text": "Yeah, you should be able to."}, {"end": "01:25:06", "start": "01:25:02", "text": "How do I right click on it? I just"}, {"end": "01:25:08", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "pressed I click on it. Nothing happens."}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:06", "text": "Huh? No,"}, {"end": "01:25:12", "start": "01:25:08", "text": "it should just be a left click."}, {"end": "01:25:14", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "No, only the super chats. There's three"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:12", "text": "that I got before, but they're those are"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:14", "text": "the only ones."}, {"end": "01:25:21", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "And this came in like about an hour ago."}, {"end": "01:25:23", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "So I don't know if it's working."}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:21", "text": "It won't let you click."}, {"end": "01:25:25", "start": "01:25:23", "text": "Okay. I got to"}, {"end": "01:25:27", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "It won't let me click the right side of"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:25", "text": "the screen. Like any of those I can't"}, {"end": "01:25:31", "start": "01:25:27", "text": "click on. But the left side I can click"}, {"end": "01:25:34", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "on those three that are there, but I"}, {"end": "01:25:35", "start": "01:25:31", "text": "can't click on any of the other ones"}, {"end": "01:25:36", "start": "01:25:34", "text": "yet."}, {"end": "01:25:38", "start": "01:25:35", "text": "So"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:36", "text": "well, it's working. Okay. I can click on"}, {"end": "01:25:43", "start": "01:25:38", "text": "it, but they're not going on screen."}, {"end": "01:25:44", "start": "01:25:40", "text": "Yeah, they're not going on screen. Um,"}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:43", "text": "so we'll take some of your super chats"}, {"end": "01:25:48", "start": "01:25:44", "text": "if we can get this working here in a"}, {"end": "01:25:50", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "second. I'd like to I'd like to hear"}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:48", "text": "your thoughts on the daycon today's"}, {"end": "01:25:54", "start": "01:25:50", "text": "news."}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "But first, every day guys, we are"}, {"end": "01:26:00", "start": "01:25:54", "text": "bombarded by chemicals sprayed into our"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "skies, leeching into our food, polluting"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:26:00", "text": "our air and water, pesticides, heavy"}, {"end": "01:26:07", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "metals to hormone disruption. All of it"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "is causing trouble in our gut bacteria."}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:07", "text": "But there's something that you can do to"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "fight back. It's right here on your"}, {"end": "01:26:15", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "screen. Take Kimchi one from our friends"}, {"end": "01:26:17", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "at Brightitecore. I take it every day."}, {"end": "01:26:18", "start": "01:26:15", "text": "It's part of my little I have that one"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:17", "text": "of those little cases, you know, you put"}, {"end": "01:26:22", "start": "01:26:18", "text": "your supplements in. I have three I put"}, {"end": "01:26:25", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "three Kimchi one pills in there that I"}, {"end": "01:26:28", "start": "01:26:22", "text": "take every day. It's honestly been a gut"}, {"end": "01:26:30", "start": "01:26:25", "text": "really a gut and a game changer for me."}, {"end": "01:26:32", "start": "01:26:28", "text": "When your gut is bacteria is strong,"}, {"end": "01:26:34", "start": "01:26:30", "text": "your body can resist almost anything."}, {"end": "01:26:36", "start": "01:26:32", "text": "You'll feel the difference. You'll have"}, {"end": "01:26:39", "start": "01:26:34", "text": "better digestion, more energy, clearer"}, {"end": "01:26:41", "start": "01:26:36", "text": "thinking, stronger immunity, even"}, {"end": "01:26:43", "start": "01:26:39", "text": "improvements to your skin, your hair,"}, {"end": "01:26:45", "start": "01:26:41", "text": "your metabolism. And this isn't hype."}, {"end": "01:26:47", "start": "01:26:43", "text": "Studies show that fermented foods like"}, {"end": "01:26:50", "start": "01:26:45", "text": "kimchi can reduce the risk of obesity,"}, {"end": "01:26:51", "start": "01:26:47", "text": "improve blood sugar, support whole body"}, {"end": "01:26:53", "start": "01:26:50", "text": "wellness. But a lot of people maybe"}, {"end": "01:26:55", "start": "01:26:51", "text": "don't like the taste of kimchi. You"}, {"end": "01:26:56", "start": "01:26:53", "text": "know, the Koreans love it. That's why I"}, {"end": "01:26:58", "start": "01:26:55", "text": "mean, they know the health benefits of"}, {"end": "01:27:00", "start": "01:26:56", "text": "it, but some people don't like that"}, {"end": "01:27:02", "start": "01:26:58", "text": "fermented taste. Well, that's why"}, {"end": "01:27:04", "start": "01:27:00", "text": "they've put it in a pill form. That way"}, {"end": "01:27:05", "start": "01:27:02", "text": "you can try it in a pill form and you"}, {"end": "01:27:08", "start": "01:27:04", "text": "don't have to worry about eating a whole"}, {"end": "01:27:10", "start": "01:27:05", "text": "jar of kimchi like Philip likes to. He"}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:08", "text": "loves to eat like a whole jar of radish"}, {"end": "01:27:15", "start": "01:27:10", "text": "kimchi on a night, which is true. I'm"}, {"end": "01:27:16", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "not making that up. 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Um,"}, {"end": "01:28:36", "start": "01:28:33", "text": "so even when my son and I went fly"}, {"end": "01:28:37", "start": "01:28:35", "text": "fishing this weekend and we stayed"}, {"end": "01:28:39", "start": "01:28:36", "text": "overnight and we're camping out by the"}, {"end": "01:28:41", "start": "01:28:37", "text": "campfire, I even brought my little"}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:39", "text": "supplements box with me cuz I'm like I"}, {"end": "01:28:44", "start": "01:28:41", "text": "don't want to I don't want a day that"}, {"end": "01:28:46", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "goes by that I don't have my supplements"}, {"end": "01:28:47", "start": "01:28:44", "text": "in there and have it in there. So,"}, {"end": "01:28:49", "start": "01:28:46", "text": "do you guys remember the customer"}, {"end": "01:28:52", "start": "01:28:47", "text": "service? Because even like"}, {"end": "01:28:54", "start": "01:28:49", "text": "was it um like the ERO company like they"}, {"end": "01:28:55", "start": "01:28:52", "text": "actually if you call them you know"}, {"end": "01:28:57", "start": "01:28:54", "text": "they're the Wi-Fi network people like"}, {"end": "01:28:58", "start": "01:28:55", "text": "they actually have a customer service"}, {"end": "01:28:59", "start": "01:28:57", "text": "team. will actually get on the phone"}, {"end": "01:29:02", "start": "01:28:58", "text": "with you and answer your call and talk"}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:28:59", "text": "with you. It's kind of crazy. Go ahead,"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:02", "text": "Philip. You're going to say something."}, {"end": "01:29:07", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "Oh, yeah. I was going to say, so yeah,"}, {"end": "01:29:09", "start": "01:29:06", "text": "it's it's true. Like my daughter and I"}, {"end": "01:29:12", "start": "01:29:07", "text": "eat a just a an an obscene amount of"}, {"end": "01:29:17", "start": "01:29:09", "text": "kimchi. And uh like there was a couple"}, {"end": "01:29:19", "start": "01:29:12", "text": "weeks back um my my daughter's uh mom"}, {"end": "01:29:22", "start": "01:29:17", "text": "was like out of town, so my daughter was"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:19", "text": "staying at the house to watch the pets."}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "And she literally just ate kimchi and"}, {"end": "01:29:28", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "rice every single day. And when her mom"}, {"end": "01:29:29", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "got back, she's like, \"What is that"}, {"end": "01:29:31", "start": "01:29:28", "text": "smell?\" Apparently, the whole house"}, {"end": "01:29:32", "start": "01:29:29", "text": "smelt like kimchi. And that's it's not"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:31", "text": "something I even think about. And I'm"}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:32", "text": "like, \"I wonder if my house just smells"}, {"end": "01:29:37", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "like kimchi all the time because we eat"}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "so much of it.\""}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:37", "text": "I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, when I was"}, {"end": "01:29:42", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "delivering newspapers, there was always"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "a house that smelled like curry. So, I"}, {"end": "01:29:45", "start": "01:29:42", "text": "knew where I would, you know, I just"}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "always I knew where I was in the"}, {"end": "01:29:47", "start": "01:29:45", "text": "neighborhood when I could smell that"}, {"end": "01:29:49", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "house that was smell curry."}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:47", "text": "That's something I won't make at home"}, {"end": "01:29:52", "start": "01:29:49", "text": "because of that. Like, I've I've made it"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "one time and I think my kitchen smelled"}, {"end": "01:29:56", "start": "01:29:52", "text": "like curry for about two weeks. like the"}, {"end": "01:29:58", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "t the tumeric."}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:56", "text": "Get your curry out somewhere."}, {"end": "01:30:03", "start": "01:29:58", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "01:30:05", "start": "01:30:00", "text": "uh Simon sent this. I didn't know that"}, {"end": "01:30:06", "start": "01:30:03", "text": "Jerry Seinfeld had called this. Let's"}, {"end": "01:30:08", "start": "01:30:05", "text": "see if I can pull this up. I don't think"}, {"end": "01:30:11", "start": "01:30:06", "text": "I can."}, {"end": "01:30:13", "start": "01:30:08", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:11", "text": "yeah, if you connect your laptop."}, {"end": "01:30:17", "start": "01:30:13", "text": "Yeah. Is it connected now? Let me try."}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:15", "text": "No, I don't see it."}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:17", "text": "I'm trying to come in real quick. Uh"}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:20", "text": "laptop raw."}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "There it is. Reset."}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:27", "text": "See if you guys can hear this or not."}, {"end": "01:30:36", "start": "01:30:32", "text": "Kimchi is rotting cabbage, but if kept"}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:34", "text": "in the fridge, there shouldn't be a"}, {"end": "01:30:40", "start": "01:30:36", "text": "smell."}, {"end": "01:30:42", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "Spooky spoon says, \"My house always"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:40", "text": "smells like garlic.\""}, {"end": "01:30:45", "start": "01:30:42", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:43", "text": "that locked me up trying to bring in the"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:45", "text": "laptop. There we go. So,"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "Oh, man."}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:55", "text": "Maybe I should maybe I should get a"}, {"end": "01:31:04", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "staff of 200. Just have one person"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "devoted to the laptop"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:04", "text": "and it still wouldn't work."}, {"end": "01:31:15", "start": "01:31:11", "text": "So, I have to keep unplugging this damn"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:13", "text": "thing from from being able to air it"}, {"end": "01:31:19", "start": "01:31:15", "text": "here because unfortunately"}, {"end": "01:31:21", "start": "01:31:17", "text": "um I keep getting sound effects coming"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:19", "text": "through. So if like people text or"}, {"end": "01:31:23", "start": "01:31:21", "text": "whatever like during the middle of the"}, {"end": "01:31:25", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "show,"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:23", "text": "you'll have to you'd have to unplug the"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:25", "text": "USB and plug it back in, I think, cuz"}, {"end": "01:31:28", "start": "01:31:27", "text": "it's"}, {"end": "01:31:32", "start": "01:31:27", "text": "work yet. No,"}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:28", "text": "no, it's not coming in."}, {"end": "01:31:34", "start": "01:31:32", "text": "I still wish you could bring it in"}, {"end": "01:31:37", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "wirelessly."}, {"end": "01:31:40", "start": "01:31:34", "text": "Uh, someone says, \"Kimchi is not rotten."}, {"end": "01:31:41", "start": "01:31:37", "text": "It's lacto fermented.\" Yeah, it's not"}, {"end": "01:31:43", "start": "01:31:40", "text": "rotten. It's just fermented."}, {"end": "01:31:44", "start": "01:31:41", "text": "You didn't hear my You didn't hear my"}, {"end": "01:31:46", "start": "01:31:43", "text": "joke cuz I was like trying to get that"}, {"end": "01:31:48", "start": "01:31:44", "text": "set up and you I was muted and you said"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:46", "text": "I maybe I should get a staff at 200 and"}, {"end": "01:31:53", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "I said that still wouldn't work."}, {"end": "01:31:56", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "Um, and I can't it. I'm trying to reset,"}, {"end": "01:31:57", "start": "01:31:53", "text": "but it's not it's not coming in. And it"}, {"end": "01:31:59", "start": "01:31:56", "text": "locks it up when I try. So, you probably"}, {"end": "01:32:02", "start": "01:31:57", "text": "have to unplug the USB and plug it back"}, {"end": "01:32:04", "start": "01:31:59", "text": "in if you want to bring it in."}, {"end": "01:32:06", "start": "01:32:02", "text": "All right, it's unplugged. Now, it's"}, {"end": "01:32:08", "start": "01:32:04", "text": "plugged back in."}, {"end": "01:32:10", "start": "01:32:06", "text": "Let's try this. I wanted to play this"}, {"end": "01:32:14", "start": "01:32:08", "text": "little Jerry Seinfeld clip here, but I"}, {"end": "01:32:17", "start": "01:32:10", "text": "Oh, man. What a day with technology."}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:14", "text": "What a week. I mean, yesterday was"}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:17", "text": "worse."}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:21", "text": "We almost out of retrograde. Mercury"}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:23", "text": "retrograde."}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:33", "text": "Yeah, it's not uh it's not wanting to"}, {"end": "01:32:40", "start": "01:32:35", "text": "bring it in. Uh"}, {"end": "01:32:42", "start": "01:32:38", "text": "add new input. Capture device is not"}, {"end": "01:32:44", "start": "01:32:40", "text": "supported."}, {"end": "01:32:47", "start": "01:32:42", "text": "Tone tech. I I appreciate your comment."}, {"end": "01:32:51", "start": "01:32:44", "text": "I'm not going to read it,"}, {"end": "01:32:51", "start": "01:32:47", "text": "but I do think it's funny."}, {"end": "01:32:56", "start": "01:32:53", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:33:03", "start": "01:32:59", "text": "Jay Raymond says, \"I love kimchi. It"}, {"end": "01:33:08", "start": "01:33:01", "text": "helps to lower blood sugar."}, {"end": "01:33:08", "start": "01:33:03", "text": "I have kimchi a lot.\""}, {"end": "01:33:11", "start": "01:33:08", "text": "You should look into that daicon radish"}, {"end": "01:33:14", "start": "01:33:10", "text": "kimchi. I'm telling you, that stuff is"}, {"end": "01:33:14", "start": "01:33:11", "text": "good."}, {"end": "01:33:23", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "to try that. Yeah, the South Koreans"}, {"end": "01:33:23", "start": "01:33:19", "text": "know about it. They know all about it."}, {"end": "01:33:31", "start": "01:33:26", "text": "Fermented is the new rotten."}, {"end": "01:33:37", "start": "01:33:34", "text": "Tone tech says you might get a kimchi"}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:36", "text": "chick if you're meeting her at the bar."}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:37", "text": "I don't know what that means, but uh"}, {"end": "01:33:50", "start": "01:33:47", "text": "Hail Hydra. So, it's not working. We"}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:49", "text": "can't play it."}, {"end": "01:33:55", "start": "01:33:50", "text": "No, I can't get it. Uh"}, {"end": "01:33:59", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "you're going to like You're going to"}, {"end": "01:34:02", "start": "01:33:55", "text": "have to um unplug the actual"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:33:59", "text": "um capture card from the computer and"}, {"end": "01:34:06", "start": "01:34:02", "text": "plug it back in."}, {"end": "01:34:07", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "I did. Oh, I can't really reach it down"}, {"end": "01:34:08", "start": "01:34:06", "text": "there. all the way."}, {"end": "01:34:10", "start": "01:34:07", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "I mean,"}, {"end": "01:34:15", "start": "01:34:10", "text": "if I unplug the HDMI,"}, {"end": "01:34:17", "start": "01:34:12", "text": "will that do it?"}, {"end": "01:34:19", "start": "01:34:15", "text": "Mm-"}, {"end": "01:34:19", "start": "01:34:17", "text": "No, cuz it's the it's the connection to"}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:19", "text": "the uh"}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:19", "text": "I would love to."}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:23", "text": "Maybe I could actually drop it in. Might"}, {"end": "01:34:29", "start": "01:34:26", "text": "even be easier if I upload it and then"}, {"end": "01:34:30", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "you download it. Like that's how sad we"}, {"end": "01:34:31", "start": "01:34:29", "text": "have to"}, {"end": "01:34:35", "start": "01:34:30", "text": "Well, yeah. If you if you upload it, we"}, {"end": "01:34:35", "start": "01:34:31", "text": "can add it to the production itself."}, {"end": "01:34:44", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "All right, I'll I'll add it to the I'll"}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:41", "text": "add it to that story, Philip. See if in"}, {"end": "01:34:48", "start": "01:34:44", "text": "craft maybe you can pull it that way."}, {"end": "01:34:51", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "I'll add it to the end of it. See if we"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:48", "text": "can pull it in that way. It's the only"}, {"end": "01:34:54", "start": "01:34:51", "text": "way we can do it. And probably by the"}, {"end": "01:34:57", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "time it's pulled in, it won't even be"}, {"end": "01:34:59", "start": "01:34:54", "text": "worth it. But hey,"}, {"end": "01:35:02", "start": "01:34:57", "text": "we'll see if it's worth it. All right."}, {"end": "01:35:05", "start": "01:34:59", "text": "Should be uploaded now. Phillip,"}, {"end": "01:35:08", "start": "01:35:02", "text": "what show is he on there? cuz that"}, {"end": "01:35:10", "start": "01:35:05", "text": "he's on the Tonight Show."}, {"end": "01:35:11", "start": "01:35:08", "text": "Okay. Cuz I don't know if that's a I"}, {"end": "01:35:14", "start": "01:35:10", "text": "don't know how stiff they are with their"}, {"end": "01:35:14", "start": "01:35:11", "text": "copyrights."}, {"end": "01:35:28", "start": "01:35:22", "text": "See if you can grab that one. Um"}, {"end": "01:35:30", "start": "01:35:26", "text": "Anthony Goodley says, \"You can hire me."}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:28", "text": "I'm good at doing nothing. Just like the"}, {"end": "01:35:35", "start": "01:35:30", "text": "mainstream media shills.\""}, {"end": "01:35:35", "start": "01:35:32", "text": "Exactly."}, {"end": "01:35:44", "start": "01:35:40", "text": "Mercury is still in retrograde to the"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "11th. Wouldn't it be great like once"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:44", "text": "Mercury retrograde is done,"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "then all of this new software, the"}, {"end": "01:35:54", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "stream stuff, we'll be able to put up"}, {"end": "01:35:57", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "super chats on the screen, everything."}, {"end": "01:35:59", "start": "01:35:54", "text": "Next week, hopefully next week, we'll"}, {"end": "01:36:01", "start": "01:35:57", "text": "actually be able to do all this stuff."}, {"end": "01:36:02", "start": "01:35:59", "text": "All right, it's queued up."}, {"end": "01:36:03", "start": "01:36:01", "text": "All right, go ahead and play it. All"}, {"end": "01:36:08", "start": "01:36:02", "text": "right, here's Jerry Seinfeld talking"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:03", "text": "about um exposing the scam of executive"}, {"end": "01:36:12", "start": "01:36:08", "text": "producers and all like the producers"}, {"end": "01:36:14", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "that are, you know, they have hundreds"}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:12", "text": "of people on a staff, 200 people watch."}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:14", "text": "Like at the end of your show tonight,"}, {"end": "01:36:17", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "there are credits, right?"}, {"end": "01:36:19", "start": "01:36:17", "text": "Correct."}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "And and there are executive producer"}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:19", "text": "credits of people who do absolutely"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:22", "text": "nothing on this show. Is that correct?"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "Nothing. They contribute nothing."}, {"end": "01:36:36", "start": "01:36:30", "text": "No, it's it's you're on camera."}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:34", "text": "Tell America that there are people"}, {"end": "01:36:41", "start": "01:36:36", "text": "taking credit for this show and doing"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:39", "text": "nothing."}, {"end": "01:36:43", "start": "01:36:41", "text": "Admit it."}, {"end": "01:36:46", "start": "01:36:42", "text": "It depends."}, {"end": "01:36:46", "start": "01:36:43", "text": "It dep"}, {"end": "01:36:57", "start": "01:36:52", "text": "Yeah. I mean, you see the credits on"}, {"end": "01:36:58", "start": "01:36:55", "text": "these shows, you're like, you there's no"}, {"end": "01:37:00", "start": "01:36:57", "text": "way. There's no way that you did"}, {"end": "01:37:03", "start": "01:36:58", "text": "anything. You weren't involved in"}, {"end": "01:37:05", "start": "01:37:00", "text": "anything on this show. All right. How do"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:03", "text": "you have a staff of that many people? I"}, {"end": "01:37:10", "start": "01:37:05", "text": "can't figure it out. Anyway,"}, {"end": "01:37:12", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "glad we got that in there. Uh, well,"}, {"end": "01:37:14", "start": "01:37:10", "text": "thank you guys for joining us. Uh, hey,"}, {"end": "01:37:15", "start": "01:37:12", "text": "I want to mention we have a store."}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:14", "text": "Should we mention the store? We have a"}, {"end": "01:37:20", "start": "01:37:15", "text": "redacted store and u we have a brand new"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "redacted website, by the way. But just"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:20", "text": "go to redactedstore.com and check it"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "out. 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And I know there"}, {"end": "01:38:17", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "was outages, there was Zoom outages,"}, {"end": "01:38:19", "start": "01:38:14", "text": "Amazon Web Services outages, there's"}, {"end": "01:38:21", "start": "01:38:17", "text": "been God knows what else. So, thank you"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:19", "text": "guys for suffering through it with us."}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:21", "text": "We really appreciate it. Thanks for"}, {"end": "01:38:27", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "seeking the truth along with us. Uh"}, {"end": "01:38:29", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "we'll be back here um on next week at"}, {"end": "01:38:31", "start": "01:38:27", "text": "400 p.m. Eastern time. We'll be out of"}, {"end": "01:38:34", "start": "01:38:29", "text": "Mercury retrograde at that point. So,"}, {"end": "01:38:36", "start": "01:38:31", "text": "thank you so much. Um see like that one"}, {"end": "01:38:38", "start": "01:38:34", "text": "there. $2 super chat from Bradjack just"}, {"end": "01:38:40", "start": "01:38:36", "text": "came in, but it doesn't show up here on"}, {"end": "01:38:40", "start": "01:38:38", "text": "the lefth hand side of the screen. So, I"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:40", "text": "couldn't"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:40", "text": "We're trying to figure that out. No"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "idea."}, {"end": "01:38:47", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "Okay. Anyway,"}, {"end": "01:38:49", "start": "01:38:46", "text": "thank you guys. Um have a great weekend"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:47", "text": "everyone. We'll see you back here next"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:49", "text": "week. Bye."}]

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The first engagement is"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "a wild bird's eyee view of a Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "tank facing off against a Russian T72B3"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "and three enemy anti-tank guided missile"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "teams targeting that Ukrainian tank. The"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "Russian tank pushes forward along the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "Ukrainian trench line when it hits an"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "anti-tank landmine that explodes right"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "underneath it. It was a mobility kill."}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "The T72 is unable to move. Its track has"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "been destroyed. 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This is where"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "a squad of Ukrainian soldiers have taken"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "cover from the armored tank duel. We see"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "a Ukrainian infantryman pop out of a"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "trench here on the left of the screen"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "just about 25 m away from the tank and"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "they brave it. They fire an RPG shot at"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "the disabled tank going for the final"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "finish him style kill. 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All memberships start with a"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "14-day free trial and are $7.99 a month"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "after that. Back to the episode. But the"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "RPG is fired wide and misses the tank"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "completely. It explodes to the right in"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "the field about 150 m away. The"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "adrenaline in a moment like this for a"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "soldier who's firing like that is a"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "major factor. That and not wanting to"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "jump out of cover of a trench for too"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "long can make it very difficult to get a"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "steady aim. The Russian tanker exits his"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "vehicle, briefly checks the status of"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "the tank, not aware that he's still"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "under fire from very close range, and it"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "appears like he takes off his kit, and"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "he's able to escape right off camera to"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "the right, unharmed. It's unclear if he"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "was the only one in the tank, but it"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "seems likely. In the background, 20 m"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "behind the Russian tank. We can see"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "Ukrainian soldiers moving through the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "trench line, trying to get an angle on"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "the Russian tank, but they don't see"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "that the crew has escaped. This is when"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "the Ukrainian tank opens fire. The round"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "impacts the disabled empty Russian tank"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "and you can see bits of it ricocheting"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "and hitting all around. It appears to"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "have been an anti-tank round instead of"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "a high explosive one because we can see"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "the munition exited straight through the"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "Russian tank, went straight through and"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "impacted about 100 m to the right"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "offcreen there. We actually just see the"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "smoke hit kick up. A T72 fires a 125"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "millimeter APF SDS round, which is"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "essentially a high velocity dart moving"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "at 1,700 m/s. That thing is flying fast."}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "The Sabo peels off mid-flight and the"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "tungsten or DU penetrator hits the enemy"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "tank. When it pierces the armor, it"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "sends spalling fragments from the armor"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "everywhere. It's partly meant to either"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "shred the crew inside or disable the"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "tank. It's capable of going through"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "around 700 mm of armor depending on"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "conditions. In this case, it impacts the"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "weaker side of the Russian armor just"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "below the turret, which is likely around"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "50 mm of protection cuz it's pretty weak"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "there, but it could be upwards of 120"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "mm. We zoom out and see the Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "tank is in a bold move near the trench"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "line. It's extremely rare and unusual to"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "see armored units moving this close to a"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "trench, even when this footage was"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "recorded in May of 2023. The first thing"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "that stands out to me is this is an"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "intersection with three high-speed"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "avenues of approach, which makes it a"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "very dangerous kill zone. The"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "positioning of those Russian anti-tank"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "teams is perfect for an ambush. The"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Ukrainian tank then at this point begins"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "to take heavy fire from three separate"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "Russian ATGM teams. These are anti-tank"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "guided missiles."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "Three smoke clouds kick up where"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "incoming missiles miss their targets."}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "The Ukrainian tank scores a direct ammo"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "hit on that shot, and the enemy tanks"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "rounds begin to cook off inside, sending"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "a giant flame jet up into the air."}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "They're able to fire at about six to"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "eight rounds per minute with their auto"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "loader. Then the first of the three"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Russian anti-tank guided missile teams"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "fires their cornet missile at the"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Ukrainian tank. The first round misses."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "That missile impacts the ground about 50"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "m short. A piece of missile actually"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "bounces in front of the tank as you can"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "see there, which is crazy. The second"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "Russian ATGM team fires a missile strike"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "and it hits the tree stump and we see"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "that activates the jetream of its shape"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "charge. The warhead is then detonated"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "and fires a high velocity metal copper"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "jet which we actually get to see here in"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "real time. That copper jet, that smoke"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "cloud that's plooming forward is moving"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "extremely fast at about 7 km/s. Watch"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "what happens here. It's absolutely"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "crazy."}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "Extremely"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "close call with that anti-tank guided"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "missile. Just barely misses the"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "Ukrainian tank by a few feet and then"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "hits the ground next to it. Then the"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "drone tries to fix the location of where"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "those Russian ATGM teams are. The next"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "battle just happened last week in the"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "town of Severk where Russia's offensive"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "has so far been stalled. It shows even"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "in the world of drones, tank-on tank"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "violence still happens. You can see the"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "Ukrainian tank on the bottom left and"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "the Russian tank on the top left of the"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "screen. The Ukrainian tank spots the"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "Russian turtle tank and chases after"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "them. They're getting intelligence from"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "the drone that's watching them overhead."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "This battle shows us there are pros and"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "cons to having overhead drone protection"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "like this shed tank that Russia's using."}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "The cons are that it has limited"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "visibility and limited turret mobility."}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "The Russian tank cannon is stuck in one"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "position facing forward with maybe 40\u00b0"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "of visibility directly in front of them."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "Take a look at this battle of"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "geoloccated to the exact field and"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "subverse that this happened in. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "tough to tell from the drone footage,"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "but the terrain between these two tanks"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "is a forest patch that the Russian tank"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "cannot see over. The Ukrainian tank"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "takes one shot which explodes with a"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "giant display of sparks on the turtle"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "tank. The Russian tank begins to reverse"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "with a huge plume of smoke coming out of"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "it. The munition that the Ukrainian tank"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "fired is a heat round, meaning high"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "explosive anti-tank munition. Just based"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "on the fireball and sparks on impact,"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "that's what suggests that this is heat."}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "Unlike Sabo rounds, they deliver a shape"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "charge with that focused explosive"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "energy. What you're looking at here"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "traveling at the enemy tank is the"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "3BK18M,"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "which is one of the types of heat rounds"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "fired by the T64. Upon impact with the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "enemy, a nosefuse triggers and then the"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "explosive charge with that penetrative"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "jet of high explosive molten metal just"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "shoots straight into the tank, killing"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "the crew, creating spalling everywhere."}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "It also just destroys a bunch of the"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "interior of the tank and can set off"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "munitions. Generally speaking, the pros"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "of this type of tank ammo versus your"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "APF SDS is that the heat is effective at"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "any range. So, its penetration doesn't"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "degrade over distance because it's not"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "relying on kinetic energy. It also has a"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "multi-roll purpose. So, gunners can use"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "it against soft targets, which is my"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "favorite euphemism for humans. Sometimes"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "I call my friends, I'm like, \"Hey, you"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "you soft targets want to come over"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "tonight?\" If I had friends, or fortified"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "positions and helicopters, but it's more"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "easily defeated by explosive reactive"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "armor and composite armor. It's got less"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "penetration at around 600 mm versus that"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "Sabo. From later battle damage"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "assessments, the Russian tank here was"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "finished off by a Ukrainian drone"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "afterwards. But according to the YouTube"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "channel such omosis, which where I found"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "this footage at originally, this was the"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "first ever recorded instance of a"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "Ukrainian tank destroying a turtle tank"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "because tank-on tank violence is so rare"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "nowadays. And then in the next"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "engagement comes from the point of view"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "of an onboard camera attached to a"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "Ukrainian tank from the 25th brigade"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "that were fighting in the treeines of"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "the Harrison region. The date isn't"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "known but appears to be from the 2022"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "most likely from when they were"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "initially retaking the city of Harrison."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "The commander of the tank is looking"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "around trying to spot targets of"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "opportunity. Visibility in this region"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "is relatively good. So they fire six"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "shots at a treeine that could be a"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "couple of clicks away and we see their"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "auto loader in action. Ideal engagement"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "range given limitation of some optics is"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "about 1500 meters, but they can push out"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "further than that. Although this"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "engagement we're going to see gets much,"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "much closer than that. Here is where it"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "gets insane, though. A Russian column of"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "vehicles starts heading straight toward"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "them. It's like a mad dash, crazy sprint"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "forward. The gunner opens up with the"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "dishka, which is like a 50 caliber"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "machine gun, and the tank starts backing"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "up in reverse. Typically, the reverse"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "speed on T72 tanks is relatively slow at"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "about four kilometers per hour, but"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "that's not always the case. It's unclear"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "why they don't open up with their main"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "tank gun, but it seems like they might"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "be out of ammunition or the system is"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "down and broken. We're not sure. So, the"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "Russian column of artillery, eural"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "supply trucks, and infantry is headed"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "straight at the Ukrainian tank at this"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "point at point blank range. This shows"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "the fog of war at its finest. I think"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "complete chaos and confusion of where"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "the front lines are, where friendly"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "forces are. Also, when both sides use"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "the same type of equipment like this,"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "this type of thing is bound to happen."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "The first truck is able to run the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "gauntlet, that Russian truck, it makes"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "it past the Ukrainian tank. The second"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "Russian supply truck dragging some towed"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "artillery, it looks like, also tries to"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "drive past. Then an incoming round"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "appears to hit the Disha machine gun,"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "and ammo starts to cook off, exploding"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "everywhere. or it might have just been a"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "round cooking off from overheating from"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "sustained fire. Either way, the gunner"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "starts reloading the ammo right away and"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "we get this really awkward moment served"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "up to us where the tank gunner makes"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "this awkward eye contact with the"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "Russian supply driver as it moves by"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "just 10 ft away. What happens next in"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "quick succession is wild. An artillery"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "round hits 50 m in front of them, unsure"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "if it's friendly or enemy. Then a"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "Russian MLTB, which is like a tracked"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "vehicle, also tries to pass right in"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "front of the tank of the Ukrainians and"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "has some infantry riding on top. So"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "they're actually taking shots with their"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "AKs. To the right, directly in front of"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "the tank, you can see Ukrainian infantry"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "firing rounds at those Russians. Then an"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "incoming round hits the top of the"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "Dishka machine gun, and you can see in"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "slow motion, the gun gets rattled and"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "the gunner takes cover inside the tank."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "That footage really shows how"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "unpredictable war can be sometimes. Your"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "main gun goes down, your second gun goes"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "down. You have no idea who is who. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "just wild. The next engagement is some"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "highdefinition drone footage of a tank"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "duel. Here, two Ukrainian tanks are"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "laying in wait behind the tree line for"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "the three Russian tanks to show"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "themselves. They have communication with"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "the drones that's overhead, which is"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "giving them a full picture of the"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "battlefield. And the first thing that"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "stands out to me is that today all these"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "tanks would be droned pretty hard"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "straight to the face by now. The tank"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "takes three quick shots,"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "knocks out two of the Russian tanks"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "while one of the Russian tanks escapes."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "This next battle is footage that was"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "posted on United 24 media's channel"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "originally. It shows a column of Russian"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "armor moving down in on an assault. It's"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "made up of three tanks for the firepower"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "and four armored personnel carriers that"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "bring the infantry. The old tactic back"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "then a few years ago was for the"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "Russians to regroup in a village before"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "they would launch their attack. So we"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "see here the Russian tank with the arrow"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "next to it is being currently targeted."}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "A Ukrainian armed with a western Javelin"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "missile launcher fires from about 2 km"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "away. Then the missile travels there and"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "boom, the top-down explosion in the"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "background is that tank getting knocked"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "out."}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "There is a lot to be learned from this"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "next firefight, though. It's actually a"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "Russian assault with over a 100 armored"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "vehicles, maybe one of the largest"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "armored mechanized assaults ever caught"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "on camera. It starts with 20 Russian"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "armored vehicles preparing for the push."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "They storm forward trying to get to the"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "zero line and their goal is to destroy"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "the Ukrainian trenches. But the problem"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "is there's only a few avenues of"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "approach for them which creates these"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "choke points."}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "And we can see here is where they're"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "staged and here are the four different"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "avenues of approach that they're going"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "to take to the front. But Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "forces have already cighted them in"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "ahead of time with artillery and"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "javelins. This is before drones became"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "prevalent. One of the cluster bombs hits"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "directly on a Russian tank and more of"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "the roads are blocked off by more and"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "more destroyed vehicles. What follows is"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "footage that I think reveals a ton about"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "armored combat and how it's changed to"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "nowadays. Because this has become so"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "rare and has been entirely replaced by"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "infantry assaults this year. It's an"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "absolute slugfest. We can see there are"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "rows upon rows of Russian tanks getting"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "taken out by high mars attacks,"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "artillery."}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "The Russian tanks push forward, get"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "knocked out, and it causes a whole"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "column to get stopped dead in its"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "tracks. Russian tanks with mine clearing"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "equipment push up to try to avoid those"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "mines, and they try to clear a path. We"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "could see a Congo line of other armored"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "vehicles attempting to push forward and"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "getting stuck. The same exact thing"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "happened to the Ukrainian Bradleys when"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "they tried assaulting well-prepared"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "defended position as well. It's just not"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "possible in today's day of drones and"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "precision artillery and missiles. The"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "next engagement comes to us from Syria"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "during the 2024 retreat and the end of"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "Assad's forces. We're looking at rebel"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "drone cam footage. Here we see the"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "trucks highlighted in green are the"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "Syrian rebels chasing Assad's troops."}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "The guys highlighted in red on the right"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "side of the screen are fleeing forces. A"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "platoon of rebels with a BMP-1 T72s has"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "them in full route just chasing after"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "them. And a machine gunner in the back"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "of one of the pickup trucks opens fire"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "on an enemy truck that got lost and"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "stuck behind them and got separated from"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "the unit when they were being overrun."}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "The truck tries to pass on the fast"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "lane, but just absolutely eats and"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "crashes it. I can't show you the next"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "bit of what happens here, so we're going"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "to animate it on a map, but basically"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "that rebel BMP tracked vehicle just runs"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "over the enemy truck and crushes it into"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "a tiny little can. Is crazy. Roger. It's"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "like my old squad leader used to always"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "say, \"Stay the away from tanks.\" Then"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "another vehicle tries to catch up and"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "break out of the encirclement, but they"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "lose control and they crash on the side"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "of the road. The next engagement stays"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "in Syria and might actually be, no"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "exaggeration, I [\u00a0__\u00a0] you not, the most"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "weird tank footage I've ever seen. The"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "National Front for Liberation got into a"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "bizarre chase with an enemy tank in"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "Syria in Edib Nab in February of 2020."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "The armored personnel carrier here on"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "the bottom right looks like it sees"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "where the enemy T72 tank is and tries to"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "go around it by driving through the"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "trees, but the main battle tank tries to"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "chase it around."}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "The APC makes a crazy desperate decision"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "and rams the tank. It's more"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "maneuverable and faster that APC, but"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "has no effective weapons after it. They"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "dance with one another for a while and"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "the tank can't get its turret barrel on"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "target because it's too close. The APC"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "then breaks contact and successfully"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "escapes. Absolutely. like was that which"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "is just I think our perfect segue into"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "our next segment of why do tanks always"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "run things over. Here's an American"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "Bradley IFV running a car over in Iraq."}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "Here's an Abrams running a vehicle over"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "like it's a smash derby. And another"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "Abrams running over a vehicle, not"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "realizing there's an IED in it and it"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "exploding. Fortunately, no one died"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "there or was hurt. And here they run"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "over what they believe is an insurgent"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "vehicle after they got sh done done"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "popping shots into it with their"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "pistols."}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "Later, the car's owner told us, \"I'm a"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "taxi driver. The car was my livelihood.\""}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "Oh, that's that that's kind of that's"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "depressing. This next engagement comes"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "from Syria and shows that sometimes it's"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "simply the tank who sees the enemy tank"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "first that wins a duel. The Syrian"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "government T72 travels down the road and"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "sees the rebel T62 further away in the"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "shot. The tank prepares to fire quickly."}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "It just so happened the Syrian tank was"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "looking in the right direction right at"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "the enemy. Considering the fact that"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "it's being recorded, though, it's likely"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "that the Syrian tank had better"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "intelligence and knew the location of"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "the rebel tank ahead of time and knew"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "what they were walking into. Having good"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "intelligence makes all the difference."}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "The Syrian tank scores a direct hit"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "against the other tank and just knocks"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "it out of commission."}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "But it's not always about who peekaboos"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "who first. As this next battle shows us,"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "a Ukrainian tank gets ordered to hunt"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "down a Russian tank in the fields. A"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "Ukrainian drone gets eyes on the Russian"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "tank, hiding in a treeine, trying to lay"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "an ambush covertly. The Russians see"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "their target first. They fire a shell,"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "but they miss because their targets on"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "the move. They fire again. The Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "tank then gets a read on where the"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "incoming fire point of origin is from."}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "and the Ukrainian tank makes a shot"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "while still on the move. Most modern"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "tanks have two axis stabilization for"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "their turret guns. So, it's it's still"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "pretty incredible shot though. We see in"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "slow motion as the shell slams into the"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "Russian armor and detonates its ammo"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "because its ammo is just vulnerable"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "inside there. This next engagement from"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "Ukraine is a pretty textbook example of"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "why tanks can be useful in an assault"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "when it's available. Ukrainian forces"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "are assaulting a trench that's built"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "along a tree line here with three"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "T-series tanks on the Ukrainian side and"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "several armored personnel trucks filled"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "with infantry. On the other side of the"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "tree line is a Russian tank that's"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "defending that appears to have decided"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "that it wouldn't be in the best"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "situation to engage. So the Russian tank"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "retreats. Looking at the map, we can see"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "better how all of this is laid out. The"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "Ukrainian 3 tanks use their cannons as a"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "kind of shock tactic to keep the enemies"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "in the trench suppressed while infantry"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "then press in. The infantry push up with"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "the cover of the heavy weapons. They"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "dismount from their vehicles and"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "successfully take over the trench. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "interesting to note that this is from"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "earlier in the war and this kind of"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "assault would currently be likely"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "impossible because drones would just"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "take all that armor out quickly in the"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "open like that. I just wanted to say I"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "saw all of your comments on the last"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "video. I see you guys out there and I do"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "agree with some of the criticisms. I"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "still stand on business about what I"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "said, but I don't think I put enough"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "weight and consideration into speaking"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "about some of Russia's strategy or their"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "attrition warfare style and what they're"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "trying to do with trying to collapse the"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "Ukrainian front line. And so I agree"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "with some of the constructive feedback"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "and criticism and I'm working on an"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "update, a new episode that's going to be"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "coming out soon because my intention is"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "never to be misleading or inaccurate"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "with my videos. If you want to check out"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "a video I did about my personal story of"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "mine about an Apache air strike that I"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "was involved in on my tour in Iraq, you"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "can click the link here or it's in the"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "description as well of the video. I'm"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "your average infanterman, Chris Cappy."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Russian forces recently launched a"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "massive new offensive at three critical"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "points along the front line in the hopes"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "of achieving a major operational"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "breakthrough. But so far it's fallen"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "short of their objectives for several"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "reasons. First, the inefficient Russian"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "tactics have led to the loss of 1,400"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "main battle tanks, 3,000 infantry"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "fighting vehicles, and 13,000 artillery"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "pieces in 2024 alone. Big oof. They"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "traded that for on average moving"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "forward only 50 m per day."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "Nuh-uh. You're just a propaganda NATO"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "shill. Listen, just because the Russian"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "military is facing serious problems this"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "year doesn't mean the Ukrainians aren't."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "I spoke to Ukrainian intelligence"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "officer Calls Gandalf, who I met while I"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "was reporting over there about these"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "challenges."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "They are still using all good proven"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "tactics of small groups, small infantry"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "groups without uh serious mechanized uh"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "assault vehicles to preserve proper"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "assault vehicles for the future land"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "warfare combat operations. Today I want"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "to examine why is Moscow willing to"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "accept such heavy losses for negligible"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "amount of territory gained, what are the"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "challenges facing Ukrainian defensive"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "fortifications, and the new tactic"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Moscow is using an attempt to turn their"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "offensive campaign around. But before we"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "get into that, meanwhile, there are two"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "giant stories impacting all of this."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "American nuclear submarines are headed"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "to Russia and US tariffs against Russian"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "trade partners. We'll use today's"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "sponsor, Ground News, to analyze both"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "these stories. ground news gives us a"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "quick highlight of the key facts. So, I"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "can glance at here and see that former"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "Russian President Dmitri Medviev made"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "provocative nuclear statements about"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "Russia's deadhand automated doomsday"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "retaliation system. And since then, the"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "Kremlin has walked the statements back."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "We can see it got even coverage by the"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "200 publications from sources left,"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "right, and center. Ground News is an app"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "and a website that pulls news coverage"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "from around the world and shows us that"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "on August 4th, top Trump aids accused"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "India of financing Russia's war in"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Ukraine by purchasing oil from Moscow."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "and they put a 25% tariff into effect."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "But what's concerning is ground news"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "shows us that a lot of the sources here"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "have low factuality ratings. So what I"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "do next is I use my vantage plan to see"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "that the journal on the left and the"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "first post news on the right are both"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "rated high factuality. So I read both of"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "these stories to get the full story."}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "Because I believe in Ground News so"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "much, we're offering 40% off this same"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "Vantage plan that I use. Just click the"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "link in the description or go to"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "ground.news/cappy"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "or scan the QR code. It knocks the price"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "down to just $5 a month. If you want to"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "support the channel and get a clearer"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "understanding of the world, try out"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "Ground News today. Back to the episode."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "The main targets of this offensive"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "campaign is Poke Roast and Costan. And"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "they lie along what's called Ukraine's"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "defensive fortress belt. This is a chain"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "of urban centers that Ukraine has"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "fortified to slow Russian advances. Loss"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "of these towns would not mean an end to"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "the war, but it could force Ukraine to"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "defend further back in largely"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "agricultural terrain that can be more"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "difficult to defend. This would reduce"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Ukraine's natural defensive advantages"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "that they've enjoyed for the last 3"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "years. For the past 3 years, Ukraine has"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "fallen back to the next closest builtup"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "urban town where they bleed Russian"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "forces. Rinse and repeat. But the"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "problem is there aren't many of these"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "fortress opportunities after these"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "towns. It appears like Russian"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "leadership is tolerating high"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "casualties, high loss of equipment in"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "the pursuit of an operational"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "breakthrough. Their logic is that by"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "capturing these towns, they will disrupt"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "Ukraine's defensive belt, collapse"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "logistics in the east, and open up a"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "strategically significant breakthrough"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "where they could capture large swats of"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "territory. Their plan would be to"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "quickly advance across open fields"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "toward the Nepro River, but that's 200"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "kilometers from the current front line,"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "and it would take a major sustained"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "mechanized push to achieve that. And"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "then Russia faces the problem of where"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "do they get the armor to do that push?"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "To that point, analysis of Russia's"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "repair centers show that they're sending"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "less and less armored equipment there to"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "be refurbished. These depots are"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "operating far below their total"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "bandwidth that they can handle."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "Equipment shipments sent from Moscow's"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "main Soviet armored vehicle storage"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "areas to these repair centers have"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "plummeted by 50% back to pre-war levels."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "To that point, on July 18th, open source"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "intelligence group Orics announced that"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "they'd confirmed the milestone of 20,000"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "Russian equipment losses over the course"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "of the war. These losses have been"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "confirmed with photo and video evidence"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "that's all been geollocated. What all of"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "this means is Russia's no longer able to"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "conduct effective mechanized offensive"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "operations in 2025. But the problem of"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "equipment runs even deeper than that."}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "The Osen group of researchers including"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "covert cabal use satellite imagery to"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "discover that 50% of the Soviet era"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "stockpile has now been depleted. And"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "what remains in the stock piles are"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "largely old T64 tanks that are in poor"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "technical condition, rusted out, and may"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "be unable to be fielded. This time lapse"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "shows an entire warehouse in Russia"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "that's been stripped bare over the"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "years. And original estimates predicted"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "this wouldn't happen until 2026. Further"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "evidence for this comes from Russia"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "self-reporting by regularly posting"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "videos of themselves using donkeys,"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "horses, and ATVs, and motorcycles to get"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "around instead of armor. Attacks during"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "this phase of the war are done slowly"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "and mostly on foot. Moscow's reached the"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "point where they're unable to replace"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "armored losses anymore. That for some"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "reason doesn't even sound shocking"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "coming out of my mouth after 3 years of"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "this war. Nothing sounds shocking"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "anymore. But I want to stress that this"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "is a gigantic change to the way the war"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "is being fought because we're now"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "observing that armored assaults have"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "been drastically reduced. This has"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "translated to an almost stagnant front"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "line. Look here. This is how the front"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "line looked in July 2022. And here is"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "how it looked 3 years later in July"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "2025. Pretty much exactly the same"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "except Ukraine has since then captured"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "half of their lost territory back. In 2"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "years, Russia's captured about 5,000 km"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "across the whole front line. I'll switch"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "back and forth between 2023 and 2025."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "2023 and 2025. Yikes. That's a small"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "slice. However, part of their strategy"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "for doing this could be to save up for a"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "future assault."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "Yeah. I mean, 6 months, 7 months. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "That Russia will well, they will"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "preserve enough force and enough armor"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "to try for another attempt to for major"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "ground assault."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "Russia's changing their tactics as well"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "to try to account for their lack of"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "armor and the drone problem that caused"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "it. The Kremlin is doubling down on"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "Shahed attack drone production. The new"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "tactics being used with these drones is"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "unlike anything we've seen before in the"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "war. For years, Moscow has reserved"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "using these to target Ukrainian cities"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "and power infrastructure. But that's"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "changing now. Now that Shahed are also"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "being used to hit soldiers in frontline"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "positions. Ukraine is facing challenges"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "of not just the zero line being hit, but"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "their stabilization points and safe"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "houses where soldiers rotate to where"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "they were once safe are now common"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "targets. Places where they would refit."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "Charge drone batteries are now coming"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "under assault."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "Okay. Uh for the last couple of months,"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "there is nothing seriously changed, but"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "only one thing has drastically improved"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "on the enemy side. Yeah. Is the usage of"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "the drones. Yeah. uh they started to use"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "the Shahid drones on the near the front"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "line objects on the closer rear I mean"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "like 20 30 km area from the front line"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "from the floor. They're ramping up the"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "manufacturing facilities for long range"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "attack drones. These satellite photos"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "reveal that they're doubling down on"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "production space for this type of"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "weapon. The Shahed are being given"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "upgraded capabilities so it can carry a"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "90 kg warhead. That's strong enough to"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "level a building. This has far standoff"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "range, so they can hit targets a"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "thousand kilometers away. The Kremlin"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "plans to be able to ramp up to launch"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "2,000 of these Shahed style drones in a"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "single night. And if you look at this"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "chart, you can see they are on track to"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "hit that by November of this year. Last"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "month, they fired 6,000 across the"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "country."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "So, well, in the nearest months,"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "probably we will see much more"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "devastated strikes with the Shahits and"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "the other aerial attack components that"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "they have. Um, I don't know, but"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "probably like thousand drones per night"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "will become a reality. Well, in a couple"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "of months, three or four, I I guess."}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Russian forces hope that this strategy"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "will cover their ground advances, soften"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "the front line, allowing them to achieve"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "major breakthrough that they're looking"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "for. In response, Ukraine deploys 50 cal"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "mobile truck operations with thermal"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "optics to hunt these shied heads."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "They're developing thousands of new"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "drone interceptors, but it's unclear how"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "this race will play out. Right now, the"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "Shahed style drones are Moscow's"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "priority, and it's seen as their best"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "chance at turning their offensive around"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "and making their inefficient tactics pay"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "off. Take a look at the northern axis of"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "attack, the Sunumi region here. There"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "are some 50,000 Russian soldiers in this"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "direction. They outnumber Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "forces an estimated 3 to1. Despite this"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "gigantic manpower advantage, inefficient"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "assaults have meant that it's taken"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "Russia over 6 months to move 12 km"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "forward here. And that's come at"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "tremendous cost. The two sides are"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "bogged down in combat in these small"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "villages located here. It's in dense"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "forests. However, the outcome of these"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "battles are still often just comes down"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "to the infantrymen and his rifle."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Sometimes one-on-one battles because"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "sometimes small tactical victories can"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "lead to larger operational ones. One"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "Ukrainian soldier, Mark, pictured here,"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "who's fighting here in the Sunumi"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "direction, said that he's facing the"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "worst combat he's ever faced in Sunumi."}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "There's never more than a five-minute"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "break. His machine gunner fired over"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "5,500 rounds so that they could fall"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "back to safer ground. Ukraine reported"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "that they deployed their elite HUR"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "operatives to stabilize the line here in"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "late June. And since then, Russian"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "advances have slowed. Whether that's a"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "coincidence or not is difficult to tell."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "Currently, it looks like Russia would"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "likely need to deploy additional"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "soldiers in this direction if they were"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "to continue their push here because"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "50,000 soldiers is not enough to take"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "hold of a city the size of Sunumi, which"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "has a population of 250,000 people. It"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "appears their goal is to get within"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "tubed artillery distance, though, so"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "they could put pressure on the people in"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "the city. It would require another 10 km"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "of advance, though. To try to speed up"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "gains, Moscow is increasingly leaning"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "more on their allies for equipment like"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "North Korea. An additional up to 30,000"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "North Korean soldiers are being"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "mobilized to replace losses and triple"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "their presence in Russia. North Korea's"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "Kim Jong-un only recently publicly"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "confirmed that they had troops fighting"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "there. He went on to publicly praise"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "their heroism and bravery. It's unclear"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "whether or not North Korean forces have"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "been given the order to cross the red"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "line, the Rubicon, so to speak, and to"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "advance into Ukrainian territory. Some"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "Ukrainian open source analysts have"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "claimed that they've already spotted"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "North Korean troops fighting inside"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "Sunumi Ukraine. If that were true, it"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "would mark a significant escalation in"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "the level of involvement, which until"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "now has been limited and restricted to"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "fighting for Russia inside Russian"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "territory in Kur. A Russian mill blogger"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "working with the Russian northern group"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "of forces, publicly posted on Telegram"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "that North Korean troops, likely a"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "battalion size, recently arrived at a"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "location just 5 kilometers from the"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "international border, teasing us about"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "whether they'll actually fight in"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "Ukraine or not. For the past year,"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "Ukraine has been pouring money and"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "resources into building defensive"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "fortifications across the wide open"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "farmland, and this is their plan B. The"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "Wall Street Journal wrote a great report"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "of these efforts. Colonel Ole Resnovio,"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "a military engineer overseeing 200 miles"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "of the defensive project and"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "construction. He said, quote, \"The army"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "that digs deeper is the army that"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "survives.\" Ukraine is trying to install"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "triple row of fortifications. But the"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "problem is there are giant holes in the"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "network, and every time Oi and his team"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "try to build fortifications, long-range"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "drones attack them and their"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "construction equipment. For example, in"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "Sunumi, they made fortifications, but"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "they weren't the right kind. They were"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "already outdated because they were"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "anticipating armored columns moving"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "forward, but they didn't expect it would"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "only be small groups of soldiers trying"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "to leak in with drones. Basically, guard"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "tower fortifications and pill boxes are"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "obsolete right now. The anti-tank"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "dragon's teeth are no longer as useful"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "as overhead cover and interlocked in"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "grids and wires to block drones. Now,"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "there are miles of thin metal coils that"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "are meant to snag and entangle troops on"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "ATVs. The priority for defensive"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "fortifications quickly evolves in just a"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "few months. When it comes to personnel,"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "Media Zona has confirmed a total of"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "119,000 Russian killed in action."}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "Whatever the exact number is, that's"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "just what they were able to confirm from"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "obituaries and official reports. But"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "manpower is not the issue for Russia."}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "They have an estimated over 600,000"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "soldiers inside Ukraine, which is more"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "than three times what they had at the"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "start of the war. They continue to"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "recruit an additional 30,000 a month"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "with large bonuses. But evidence of"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "failures in the Russian military doesn't"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "mean Ukraine isn't facing a ton of their"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "own challenges, especially when it comes"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "to manpower. Many of the soldiers I"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "spoke with when I reported from there"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "are either MIA or KIA. Now, I recently"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "was just informed former American Marine"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "that I interviewed, Jonathan Pebbley,"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "call sign mayhem, was killed in action"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "while trying to save one of his"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "teammates. Many of the safe houses and"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "territory I stayed in less than a year"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "ago are now in Russian hands today. Make"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "no mistake, this war has been filled"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "with terrible losses for Ukraine this"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "year as well. And despite heavy losses"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "on both sides, the fighting has only"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "escalated in the past year and has now"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "reached its deadliest point ever."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "Ukraine is facing the opposite issue"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "from Russia where they have equipment"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "but not enough manpower. IIS estimates"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "that they need 100,000 additional"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "personnel to fill their gaps in the"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "defensive line. Front intelligence, a"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "well-known Ukrainian military osenate"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "group, found similar numbers saying that"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "they need an additional 80,000 soldiers"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "to be recruited. You whenever you assess"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "a large offensive like this one, you"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "have to ask, is this direction of attack"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "a shaping operation, a distraction, or a"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "breakthrough attempt? The question can"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "often tell you what might possibly be"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "expected next. From what we can see,"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "Russian action appeared to be probing"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "for weak spots. However, this assault"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "seems to be an attempt to stretch"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "Ukraine's reserves thin before a bigger"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "push elsewhere. But where is that"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "elsewhere? Take a look at the second"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "location where Russian forces are"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "pushing. It's just south of Sunumi in"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "Harkefe. According to General Alexander"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "Searski, who's head of the Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "army, Russia's concentrated roughly"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "100,000 troops in this direction. Since"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "2024, Moscow has advanced roughly 12 km"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "forward across the front, but they've"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "not gotten within artillery distance of"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "the city of Harkke yet. If you look to"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "the east of the city of Harkke, you'll"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "see the key town of Kian. It lies on the"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "Oscill River. This has presented a"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "difficult tactical dilemma for Russia"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "for the past more than a year now"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "because crossing the water gap has been"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "difficult. Both countries have resorted"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "to using small rubber speedboats for"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "their river crossings. Once Russian"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "troops get across, they attempt to"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "concentrate in a village that has"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "basements and overhead cover to hide in"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "from drones. Ukraine then attempts to"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "trap these forces and seal off their"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "breach point. One of the most crazy"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "operations in the past 3 years recently"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "happened here. Russian troops have"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "recently successfully crossed the river"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "to the south of Kian. They controlled"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "the town on the far side of the river,"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "which lets them mass troops here. It's a"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "bridge head through which they plan to"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "try to outflank Ukrainian forces. But"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "the downside for Russia being deployed"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "across a river means that it's difficult"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "for them to move heavy equipment like"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "man pads, air defense, and armor on the"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "far side of the river. So heavy weapons"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "are limited. In response, Ukraine's HUR"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "operatives came up with an unusual plan."}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "They decided to exploit this"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "vulnerability. They take advantage of"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "the air defense gap. Ukrainian units"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "conducted the first helicopter air"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "assault in 3 years. Flying low, they"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "inserted several clicks behind Russian"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "lines using American Blackhawks. They"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "jumped out of the helicopter which then"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "took off and returned back to base. Once"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "the special forces troops were in the"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "rear, they conducted raids, gathered"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "intelligence, and directed fire on"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "concealed Russian position. Russian"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "troops were caught off guard. The"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "soldiers cleared forest belts and"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "residential areas of enemy soldiers"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "who've been preparing to cross the"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "river. FPV and artillery teams then"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "focused their fire to establish a"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "corridor for the Ukrainian special"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "forces to safely get back across to"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "their friendly lines on the western bank"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "of the river. A platoon of Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "MaxPro armored vehicles arrived at a"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "predetermined exfiltration point and"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "picked them up. It's very unusual to see"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "an air assault at this stage in the war"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "due to the high risk of enemy air"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "defense. So, this is a crazy engagement."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "I can't show all the footage of the"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "attack here because it's pretty graphic."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "I've got an uncensored version on"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "Pepperbox if you're interested. But"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "despite operations like this one that"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "are successful, the overall picture of"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "the battlefield hasn't changed much"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "since last year. Further south along the"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "front is the key town of Chasear that"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "Russia claims they've captured. If that"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "is the case, it will give them the high"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "ground over the next several key towns"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "like Costantine. This is a problem from"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "Ukraine's perspective because they need"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "a place to go and recharge drone"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "batteries. You need a place to collect"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "supplies before distributing it to the"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "front line. And without it, you have to"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "fall back further. Costantka is now at"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "risk of being encircled, which would"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "force Ukrainian troops to fall back"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "further towards Crimesk. Russia's summer"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "offensive has failed to achieve their"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "operational goals of a major"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "breakthrough. Despite having increased"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "military spending to $145 billion a"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "year, an army that's spending far more"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "like that should expect to make gains"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "that have yet to materialize. To look at"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "the disparity, Ukraine spends roughly 65"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "billion on defense per year. Even if we"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "factor in another 20 billion in foreign"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "military aid, they don't nearly match"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "it. But the clock may be starting to"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "tick on how long the war can continue in"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "this current form. The White House is"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "increasingly pressuring for an end to"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "the war. The US government is sending"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "additional M2 Bradley infantry fighting"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "vehicles, and they're working on sending"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "between five and 10 air defense Patriot"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "batteries. These would not change the"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "course of the war in a huge way, but"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "they would make a big difference for the"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "defense of key cities and power"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "infrastructure. However, it isn't the"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "military aid from the West that'll"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "change calculations going forward the"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "most. It's the possibility of economic"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "changes. The White House is threatening"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "to impose 100% secondary tariffs on"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "countries that buy oil from Russia,"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "which is essentially a sanction. If this"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "threat was followed through on, it could"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "have major consequences for how the war"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "continues. It's the kind of nuclear"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "option when it comes to economic"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "pressure. These are steps that have not"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "been taken previously. It would make"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "people around the world feel the impact"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "of the war in Ukraine in ways that we"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "haven't had to deal with yet."}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "Economically, this would have major"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "consequences for people in the United"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "States and China. Whether this happens"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "or not and how it plays out is"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "speculation at this point, but over the"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "course of the next few months, the war"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "may be forced to take a very different"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "form and shape compared to now. What do"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "you think of Russia's offensive"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "operations so far? Do you agree or"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "disagree with my analysis? Let me know"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "in the comments section what you think."}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "Do you think there will be another few"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "years of fighting, or will the war"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "stagnate? For full show notes and"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "sources on the episode, and for"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "exclusive content, you can go to cappy"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "army.com. I'm your average infantryman,"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Chris Cappy. Ending transmission."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "On the night of April 2nd, 2009, I'm 19"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "years old in Iraq, and I'm staring at"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "five people's heat signatures on a"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "screen. The Apache gunship is hovering"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "overhead, just waiting to go weapons"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "free on the targets. Today, I want to"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "share with you a personal story about a"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "night that taught me how the six steps"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "of the kill chain operates and how it's"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "evolving today. I was just 2 months into"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "my deployment when it happened. That"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "night started like a lot of others. My"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "squad, fort squad, spare parts, had just"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "finished doing our rotation of patrols"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "out in the village. So, we're now on"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "base security for the night. It's kind"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "of a boring detail. It's my turn to run"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "the Eagle Eye surveillance station for"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "around 8 hours, but it feels like 14"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "hours. The Eagle Eye is cramped ConX"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "box. Inside of it is this joystick and a"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "small TV. Looks like it's straight out"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "of 1983 technology. But in front of me"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "is a black and white thermal feed that's"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "tied to a camera, a fleer camera that's"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "sitting on top of a tower over 100 ft"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "high up in the air. It was creepy how"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "good this thing was. It had incredible"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "level of detail. It was like science"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "fiction to me in 2009. I could see"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "someone fart from two clicks away. It's"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "my job to scan the highway. Main supply"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "route Tampa runs all the way north and"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "south in a rock. And I'm looking for"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "enemies cuz their favorite thing to do"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "in the middle of the night is to run"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "out, quickly, dig a hole in the middle"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "of the road, put a bomb into it, and"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "then cover it with dirt and then lay an"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "ambush. Their goal is to blow up"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "American logistics convoys, trucks that"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "run through here each night. It's a"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "highstakes game of cat and mouse pretty"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "much. And that's a lot of responsibility"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "for me at 19 years old because just a"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "few months prior, I was sitting in a"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "college classroom getting high as trying"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "to get laid. And now I'm sitting in"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "125\u00b0ree heat surrounded by 40 dudes. I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "thinking to myself, where did I go"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "wrong? Every so often when we spot these"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "enemy, we launch a quick reaction force"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "to try to get them. But surprisingly,"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "that actually wouldn't be where the"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "deadly engagement would happen tonight."}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "All the animation work in this video is"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "sponsored by Jaco Fuel. When I was just"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "19 years old, I was filling my camel"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "back with sugary, overcaffeinated energy"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "drinks that were filled with garbage"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "fuel. 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He"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "built it because he was sick of watching"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "people rely on junk energy. That's why"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "Go is filled with neutropic blend that"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "includes alpha GPC and eltheanine. Now,"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "I'm no scientist, guys, but I looked"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "those two terms up, and they're"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "responsible for helping boost your"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "memory and your focus. Every batch of Go"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "is third party tested, so I know it's"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "clean and trustworthy with no hidden"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "fillers. It's specifically designed for"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "the type of people who need clean fuel"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "for their day. If you're interested in"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "switching to an energy drink that"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "actually makes you feel good, click my"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "link in the description to get 25% off"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "your first order. Or head to jofuel.com"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "and use my code cappy 25. Back to the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "episode. According to the actual US Army"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "field report of the engagement that"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "night that I dug up from the over"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "300,000 Iraq reports from the US Army"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "that was published by Wikileaks, an"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "Apache helicopter starts circling over"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "our patrol base at 2230 hours. What"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "you're looking at right now is the"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "actual gun cam footage from the Apache"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "that night. They fire off illumination"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "flares to get a better view of some"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "commotion happening on the ground. The"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "first step in the kill chain is to find,"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "which means you have to detect the"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "presence of a potential target through"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "intelligence, surveillance, or"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "reconnaissance. The Apache pilot"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "believes he's spotted guys digging and"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "placing an IED roadside bomb near a"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "checkpoint. My commander has to make a"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "decision at that point to send out a"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "ground team to investigate or to"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "continue observing the target from"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "overhead. Context plays a big role here."}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "Just one month earlier, another platoon"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "in my company lost a soldier KIA to"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "small arms fire while responding to an"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "IED attack like this one. Staff Sergeant"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "Mark Bomb, wellrespected man in the unit"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "and father of three. It was a major loss"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "for the unit. And after that, my"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "leadership had no interest in risking"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "sending in a ground team until air"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "support had better eyes on target. The"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "tactical operations center or talk"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "radioed into me and a captain's voice"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "came through the net over the radio and"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "I heard him say, \"Eagle-eye, this is"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "Blackfoot 1. Check the road 400 m"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "southwest. How copy?\" Over. The talk is"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "located just a few meters away at the"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "police station on our outpost. That's"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "who I'm talking to at this point. That's"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "what serves as the brains of our"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "operation where the intel guys and"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "officers are at. our outpost, JSS"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Musadas, tiny with enough room for like"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "eight strikers, two platoon of"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "Americans, and some Iraqi police, our"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "partners that worked alongside us. So"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "there I am scanning the thermal camera"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "across mostly farmlands and small towns."}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "It's about 15 clicks north of the"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "capital of Baghdad. It looked empty to"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "me. I couldn't see anyone out there. I"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "thought maybe leadership was just"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "checking up on me in my post to see if I"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "was asleep because it's a crime. It's an"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "offense to be sleeping on post. So, I"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "pick up the radio and I say, \"Rogger"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "that. Checking now.\" Over. I continue"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "scanning over the camera, looking for"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "anything out of the ordinary. And I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "surprised when I spot five heat"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "signatures of men with AK-47s darting"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "around on the screen, taking up kneeling"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "positions, pulling security, and it"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "looks like they're laying in the prone."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "Usually, these shifts are boring as most"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "of you know, and nothing ever happens as"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "it goes. So, my heart rate ticks up."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "That's where the Sons of Iraq militia"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "checkpoint is supposed to be at. Who are"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "the sons of Iraq? What is that militia?"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "Here's the deal. The grand strategy in"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "2009 had switched from bullets to hearts"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "and minds. We're supposed to be winding"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "down and handing over responsibility of"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "security to the Iraqi people. At least"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "according to leadership, that would let"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "us leave the country. It's what you"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "would call the quiet phase of the war."}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "The surge is winding down. Troop levels"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "are decreasing. They're letting"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "prisoners out of jail. All of our"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "patrols and raids that we conducted are"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "done in direct partnership with Iraqi"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "police and army. We weren't storming"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "Fallujah. We're busy trying our best to"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "not make things worse. The only way the"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "plan would work for this kind of handoff"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "of the security situation was by"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "creating what was called the Sons of"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "Iraq militia. It's a US-f funed program"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "that recruits local tribal fighters and"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "pays them 300 bucks a month to provide"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "security for their own towns and take"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "responsibility for their own security"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "instead of attacking coalition forces."}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "But the part is many of these guys are"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "former insurgents. Just a few weeks"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "prior they've been trying to kill"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "Americans. This little known initiative"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "is massive. At its peak, there are just"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "under a h 100,000 of this faction of"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "militia fighters throughout the country"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "costing the United States government $30"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "million a month. It's a big investment."}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "And you can see this Government"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "Accountability Office investigation that"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "I found about the Sons of Iraq shows"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "that they were lousy with corruption."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "And many of them were double agents"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "working for al-Qaeda and their Iranian"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "proxies. However, on the other hand, it"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "also notes that the program is partly"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "responsible for lowering violence by 70%"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "inside Iraq. All of this is to say there"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "is a hodgepodge of different factions on"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "the battlefield that I need to be"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "looking out for. I could make it out"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "that these guys, these heat signatures"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "were digging in the road, darting around"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "and laying wire and then covering"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "something in the ground. It wouldn't be"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "the first time that the SOI had"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "conducted or facilitated attacks on US"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "troops. We had found multiple IEDs out"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "that same way in the past few weeks. The"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "talk asked me again over the radio"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "saying, \"What do you see? Are they"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "digging?\" I said, \"Yes, it looks like"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "they're digging over.\" That was enough."}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Headquarters radio back to me. Roger."}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "And the second step of the kill chain at"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "this point is to fix, which is to"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "determine the target's exact location"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "and 8digit grid coordinates, identity,"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "and their intent. This step is about"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "confirming that the target is valid."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "From the US Army field report from"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Wikileaks that night, the Apache"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "watching that night overhead noted the"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "same thing that I was observing. It says"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "quote military-aged man who appears to"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "be placing something on road laying wire"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "and covering it with dirt. The Apache"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "crew reports there's Sons of Iraq"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "control point in vicinity of grid but"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "reports military age males are not"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "acting like Sons of Iraq established"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "policies. What we're seeing and hearing"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "right now is the actual gun cam footage"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "that I found from the Apache Extreme"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "Element that night. They note that the"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "RQ7B shadow drone is also watching. The"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "shadow flies at 15,000 ft overhead and"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "stays above us for around 6 hours on"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "station. And step three, the kill chain"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "is to track, and that's what that drone"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "is perfect for. It maintains continuous"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "surveillance to monitor the target's"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "movements and ensure it doesn't escape."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "However, the Apache gunship is running"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "low on fuel. They mention in the radio"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "reports, we hear them say they've only"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "got 12 minutes left of fuel to get"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "authorization to fire. So, the clock is"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "ticking."}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "Hey, sir. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "they got 12 minutes until they hit the"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "reserve."}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "Roger. I got them now on uh the shadow"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "feed."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "All right, man. I got 12 minutes till my"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "way's out of gas. So, I need you to make"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "a decision. I now got the guy on the"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "east side of the road. He's digging"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "something into the road right now. Look"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "at him in the shadow."}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "Roger. If you're positive that he's"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "digging something in Landwire, uh you"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "have my identification to shoot him."}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "Juliet Sierra over."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Roger. All right, we will be engaging."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "You going to shoot gun? You going"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "gun? We're going 30 mm. We're going 30"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "mm. So, we're going to be keeping the"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "orbit in. We're going to be going ahead"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "in uh probably around 20 0. Go ahead and"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "bug out. Let me know when you're clear."}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "Based on sensor information from the"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "thermal cameras, from me, the shadow"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "drone overhead, the Apache themselves,"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "they're given the cleared hot by the"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "talk. That's assessing all of that"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "information, pulling it together, and"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "making the final call. Step five of the"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "kill chain is engage. Deliver the"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "effects on target. The Apache commences"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "firing."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "We are clear."}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Roger. You're clear. We are clear. Hot."}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "All right, let's go. Rolling in. Heading"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "150. I got the individual who's been"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "digging in the road."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Roger."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "Was gun and I'll be firing. Firing."}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "Roger."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "I can't show the footage of the thermal"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "camera from them, the gun footage"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "because YouTube restrictions, but if"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "you're interested in the uncensored"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "analysis of it, you can go pepperbox."}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "The link is in the description. So, it"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "sounded to me like the sky is ripped"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "open from inside my ConX. The thermal"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "screen goes totally white with impacts."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "All right, targets destroyed. Looking"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "for the second one. I got the"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "individuals running now."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "I open the door. I stick my head outside"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "and I see the sky lights up about 400 m"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "away. 30 mm cannon to strike down,"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "slamming into the road like thunder."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "Yeah. So, I was uh the medic for First"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "Platoon. What I do remember very vividly"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "was was hearing the 30 mm from the"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "Apache go off as we were getting close."}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "And I remember very clearly thinking"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "like, you know, I I I hope they kill"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "them all cuz if they don't, then I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "going to have to treat them."}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "Step six of the kill chain is assess."}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Conduct battle damage assessment BDA to"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "determine if the target was actually"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "destroyed or if it requires a little old"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "re-engagement. My leadership in the talk"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "asked me for a battle damage assessment."}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "I look on the thermal feed. I radio"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "back. I can't see any of the targets."}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "I'm not sure what happened to the"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "targets. All I see is smoke and"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "explosions. The top calls up first,"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "second, and third squad from my platoon"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "to respond as the quick reaction force,"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "while fourth squad has security for the"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "proximity area. They are ordered to"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "locate and detain the targets. The"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "army's field report from that night"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "takes us through what happens next. I'll"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "read it to you. The quick reaction force"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "QRF departs from Joint Security Station"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "Mousada to respond. After the strike,"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "Apache reports there is still something"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "on the road, possibly the object being"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "planted. QRF arrives on the area,"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "dismounts from their striker vehicles,"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "and moves into the target location. QRF"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "links up with Apache crew on the ground"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "to confirm the strike zone."}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "All right, I need a hard left."}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "Stay on them."}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "Trying trying. trying."}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "Roger. Get a hold of our mics. Say we"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "need uh QRF to come over this area right"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "now."}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "Apache reports a thermal hot spot on the"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "east side of the canal. Ground troops"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "can't find the exact hot spot, but they"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "locate possible signs of movement."}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "Apache reports the targets fled towards"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "two nearby houses. First squad secures"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "the bridge, then raids the home to the"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "north of the road."}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "Jason Defrain. I'm time I was a staff"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "sergeant and squad leader for our third"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "squad. Based on the initial input from"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "the helicopters, they pushed to the"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "north towards a village um thinking that"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "that was the direction that they had"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "they that the suspected insurgents had"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "Xfilled. As it turns out, that was not"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "correct because in the handoff kind of"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "northsoutheast, west got kind of turned"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "upside down and to from the helicopters"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "and second squad crosses the road and"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "ends up in a village a few hundred"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "meters north. So, what they're doing at"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "this point is they're trying to track"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "and locate where the targets ran off to"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "and tried to escape to, even after they"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "took fire from a cannon. JSS Mushada"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "clears the QRF to pursue."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "First squad was basically holding down"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "the bridge. Second squad punched up to"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "the uh village."}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "According to the field report, QRF raids"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "the first house. Nothing is found there,"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "aka dry hole. QRF raids the adjacent"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "house. Again, nothing found. QRF raids a"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "third house. Still nothing. uh one of"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "the insurgents that had been engaged was"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "was kind of curled up in the fetal"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "position on the right side of the um you"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "know of the of the uh of the bridge"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "there and I didn't initially see him"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "there so I almost stepped right on right"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "on top of him cuz he was you know cuz he"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "was right there and I mean he was dead."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "Um I can't remember if they hit him once"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "or twice. Um, but I mean he was he was"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "absolutely wasted"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "when the LT asked for the helicopters to"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "designate like actually point with the"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "laser designator where it was. It was"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "actually the compound to the south."}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "Then the Apache shoots an IR laser beam"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "finally at the house that only the"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "soldiers with night vision goggles are"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "able to see. you know, each time that"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "they would, you know, auto rotate, I"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "think the gunner, you know, who was"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "lazing the houses, he would lose his"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "orientation and then he would reorient"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "on what he thought was the house and"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "then he would lays a different house and"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "then, you know, so I I don't remember"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "exactly how many houses we kicked in,"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "but we were there a long time. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "kind of going through moving through"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "this little village on the other side of"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "the canal. Third Squad follows the beam"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "shining down from the Apache team where"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "they believe the targets went. Inside"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "that house, Third Squad finds two"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "wounded individuals. Doc Martinez packs"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "the wounded man's leg filled with combat"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "gauze. They're detained and the third"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "man is found dead on the east bank of"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "the canal. This was the guy that I saw"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "take the first direct hit. They found"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "him in pieces, actually cut in half by"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "the Apache. Nearby troops find a white"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "van and some equipment that looked like"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "they were attempting to exfiltrate from"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "there. The wounded are loaded into a"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "striker for medical evacuation. And from"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "there, the wounded are taken to court"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "and a full investigation finds that they"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "were working for the insurgents and that"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "they were put into prison. And here's"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "where we need to talk about something"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "important. That six-step killchain is"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "evolving today to increasingly be"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "controlled more and more by AI fire"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "control systems. 15 years later, this"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "kind of mission would look totally"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "different. 15 years, holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] I'm old."}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "That kill chain can be slow, prone to"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "inaccuracy, and gives everyone only a"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "small piece of the total puzzle. It"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "feels like everyone is playing a game of"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "telephone with each other, trying to"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "share their own small incomplete view of"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "the battle space. Each time information"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "is relayed, that's a point of failure,"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "possibly. After that first Apache"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "engaged, for instance, they had to leave"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "the station and fly back before running"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "out of fuel. They were replaced by a"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "different Apache and the handoff"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "inherently created some confusion and"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "that leads to possible delays and"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "errors. Today you'd have a loitering"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "drone overhead, no pilot to be risked to"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "friendly lives. The same operator would"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "be streaming realtime HD video back to"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "everyone, the commander, the intel guys,"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "the analysts, the troops on the ground."}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "So instead of relaying information up"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "and down the chain, everyone's seeing"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "the same picture, a shared battlefield"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "view. You'd know exactly who's where."}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "You wouldn't need to wait for a talk to"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "relay a message to an Apache pilot for"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "strike approval. In modern kill web,"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "sensors and shooters talk directly to"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "each other. The drone watching the road"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "can cue another drone to fire. You've"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "collapsed that decision loop from"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "minutes to seconds. And those troops on"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "the ground doing the raids would have"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "less likelihood of running into the"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "wrong house. But here's the terrifying"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "part. With AI target recognition, some"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "of those decisions would be made"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "instantly by machines moving"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "increasingly towards having no human in"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "the loop. And I'm not sure we're ready"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "for that. Hopefully, we decide to keep"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "people in the loop of the kill chain."}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "Someone needs to be accountable. Someone"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "needs to make the call for targeting"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "another human being's life and taking a"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "life, even if it means making the"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "killchain a little bit slower in that"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "process. I want to thank my old"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "teammates, Defrain and Doc Martinez,"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "both of whom recently retired from the"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "Army. Congratulations. It was really"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "kind of them to catch up with me and go"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "through some old memories. It's always"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "nice to to look back together, and I"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "hadn't spoken with them in a long time."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "I'm just really glad to see that they're"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "doing so well. If you enjoyed this"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "video, I think you'll love the last one"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "we did on the Marine's new missile drop"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "ship. link in the description."}]

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You guys, this thing aims to"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "totally rewrite the doctrine of how"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "amphibious warfare has worked for the"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "past few decades. from beach assaults to"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "contested logistics. In fact, the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "Pentagon is hoping that this strange"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "wing and ground concept will be able to"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "help solve their entire seal lift"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "challenge in the Pacific. No pressure,"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "boys. We're all counting on you."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": ">> And then we'll have to move intrathe"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "logistics. And frankly, that's an area"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "that keeps me awake at night. There's a"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "resupply."}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Keeps me awake during long, lonely"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "nights, too, sir. Today, I want to"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "examine why this concept has failed"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "spectacularly since the Cold War. What's"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "changed since then that's caused China"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "and the United States to suddenly double"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "down on winging ground vehicles? And why"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "when I start conversations about this"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "kind of stuff at parties, people"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "politely excuse themselves."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "And speaking of precision strikes, when"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "life hits you unexpectedly, you need"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "someone who fights back just as hard. 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Now,"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "back to the show."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "In 1967, a United States CIA spy"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "satellite spotted something very weird."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "A 100 meter long object was zipping"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "across the Caspian Sea at around 300"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "mph, which was far faster than any boat"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "should be able to achieve. American"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "intelligence noted it appeared to be"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "moving just a few feet above the water."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "It looked like a plane, but it appeared"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "to have no wings, and yet it was still"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "capable of flight. This information"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "confused the hell out of the US"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "analysts. They nicknamed it the Caspian"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "Sea Monster because they couldn't"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "categorize it. To further confuse the"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "point, it was assigned to the Soviet"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "Navy, but operated by test pilots from"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "the Soviet Air Force. They broke a"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "champagne bottle over its nose to"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "christen its first voyage, which is a"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "customary tradition in the Navy. This"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "was in fact the Soviets being the first"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "to go allin on the wing and ground"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "concept. So how does the physics of this"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "thing work? What's the trick here? The"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "quote unquote ground effect phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "was first discovered by pilots in the"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "1920s when they noticed that their"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "airplane weirdly became way more"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "efficient when they got closer to the"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "runway surface right before landing. The"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "ground reduces the drag and it increases"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "lift under the wings which in turn"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "creates a kind of aerodynamic cushion"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "which allows the aircraft to fly way"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "more efficiently at very dangerously low"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "altitudes. It's literally the definition"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "of high-speed low drag. This is a huge"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "deal to the military because it gives"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "you way more lift for far less fuel,"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "roughly twice the amount of efficiency,"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "but only when you're flying just a few"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "feet above the ground or water. To give"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "you an idea, the distance between home"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "plate and the pitcher mount is just 60"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "feet 6 in. So, they're basically flying"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "within that margin of error. The Caspian"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "Sea Monster kind of worked in that it"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "flew under the radar, could carry"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "massive payloads, and had a Cold War"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "super weapon vibe to it. It was a total"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "of 10 jet engines on it. From flying it"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "around, they quickly realized though"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "that it had some problems. It could only"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "really fly over calm seas. It couldn't"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "fly in bad weather. It had trouble"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "climbing to safety. The engines required"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "constant upkeep because flying over"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "saltwater sprayed the salt water into"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "them, which caused intense corrosion."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "So, they struggled to figure out what it"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "was actually for. It didn't take long"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "for someone in the Soviet military to"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "ask the most Soviet military question"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "ever, but can we put missiles on it? So,"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "in the late 1970s, the Soviets started"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "developing the Lunclass Erano plant. It"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "was armed with six shipkilling missiles"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "and basically turned into a low-flying"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "fast attack boat. But the dream wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "last long. That old Caspian Sea monster"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "ended up crashing due to a simple pilot"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "error when trying to make an easy turn."}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "No one was killed, but the danger"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "inherent in the design was on full"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "display. The Lung class was expensive"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "and borderline unusable in anything"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "other than glassy calm seas, and it"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "ended up as a kind a beach attraction. I"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "mean, it was really just highmaintenance"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "kind of lady. In 1992, Congress directed"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "DARPA to investigate if these wig ideas"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "had any real practical use. 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It could transport a full"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "MEU Marine Expeditionary Unit, or it"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "could fire missiles, or it could"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "transport special forces to infiltrate"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "and exfiltrate unnoticed. DARPA found"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "that it could cost over $350 million and"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "40 years to develop a series of these"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "for military use. On page 15, see how it"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "talks about how Russian and American"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "engineers said that a 2 million pound"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "version was the absolute limit. And it's"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "clear that they use this document as the"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "basis for what they would work on next"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "because Boeing Phantom Works, like their"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "skunk works at Boeing, proposed the"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "Pelican Ultra, a 2 million pound version"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "of it. They applied for a patent in"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "2001, and it gave us some insight into"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "it. Designed to carry super duper heavy"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "cargo carrying 1,400 tons of payload."}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "The max takeoff weight of 6 million"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "pounds. This could completely rewrite"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "logistics for the entire Pacific and"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "European theater strategy. The Pelican"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "Ultra would be able to transport a full"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "brigade of equipment and troops to the"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "Pacific or Europe in about 4 days total"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "time instead of the 2 to 3 months that"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "it took to load a giant row transport"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "ship. It could carry 2,700 tons or 17"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "Abrams tanks in five rows of three and"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "one row of two. It could carry up to"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "8,000 troops. The thing could fly at 350"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "mph instead of the 28 mph that ships go"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "at. The thing was like the old Spruce"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Goose concept from Howard Hughes that he"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "developed in World War II. It would have"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "a max range of about 11,500 mi. So it"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "could fly from the United States to"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "China and back at a low altitude, of"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "course. So the technology would bypass"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "the need for ports entirely and you can"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "go directly, skip, go, go straight to"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "the beach head. By 2005, a few things"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "happened, though. The Pentagon realized,"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "\"Wait, we're fighting in the desert in"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Iraq and Afghanistan. Our enemy has zero"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "chance of contesting our logistics. This"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "is a giant waste, and China's never"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "going to be an issue for us in the"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "future.\" A congressional report found it"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "to be only marginally feasible to enter"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "service by 2016. So, the project fizzled"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "out for other priorities, although it"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "had created some of the technology"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "advancements that we will see are used"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "later on. Because that wasn't the end of"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "the weird concept yet. The idea went to"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "the Pentagon procurement development"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "hell until 2022, about a decade later,"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "when DARPA quietly launched a project"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "called the Liberty Lifter. They're"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "working on it right now for it to be"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "able to haul a full C17 worth of gear,"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "like 90 tons, which would be the"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "equivalent of about two Marine"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "amphibious combat vehicles or an Abrams"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "tank. It would have range of 7,500"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "miles, which you could comfortably get"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "from California to the First Island"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "chain. Best yet, it wouldn't require a"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "runway or ports, which is important"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "because these austere environments in"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "the first island chain are where there"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "isn't much military infrastructure."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "Between the Cold War and today, the"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "strategic calculus had changed. Pacific"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "island hopping is now central to"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "American military strategy. So what we"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "said is we've been given lawful guidance"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "in the national defense strategy to be"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "able to deter and if necessary defeat"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "the pacing threat of the PRC."}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": ">> In 2023, DARPA built and tested"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "components for the Liberty Lifter."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "Theywarded contracts to General Atomics"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "and Aurora Flight Sciences to build"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "competing designs for contracts worth"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "$29 million. And by early 2025, they"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "worked together to conclude that the"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "technology had actually matured enough"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "to hand off to the military-industrial"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "complex, I mean the industry, and the"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "final direction and prototype is"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "expected to be fielded by 2027ish. If"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "you're going to keep telling me that"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "we're not in another cold war, it"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "doesn't help the case that we keep"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "rehashing every military concept like"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "this from the first Cold War. A DARPER"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "official overseeing the program named"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "Alexander Wan spoke to Breaking Defense"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "and he said that they want it to cost"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "around $120 million each to produce"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "these, which is roughly half the cost of"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "a C17 and it would use far less fuel."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Which brings us to the new Regent"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "Viceroy. The Marines are investing $14"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "million into its development. Why do"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "they think that it could work where"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "others have failed for decades? Because"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "of three main reasons. According to the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "proponents of the program, it's because"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "technology had finally caught up and the"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "modern mission in the Pacific makes"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "sense now. First, modern fancy"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "electronics have solved the biggest"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "historical problem with wing and ground"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "vehicles, which is their stability. I"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "myself am have solved that too. I'm very"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "mentally stable right now. Flyby wire"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "attached to autonomous stabilization"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "constantly adjust those controls to fly"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "at the right distance from the surface"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "in real time for the pilot. Second, the"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "mission in the Pacific actually makes"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "sense. Now, the electric version uses 12"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "electric motors and runs on batteries."}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "It's limited to the distance of only"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "about 200 miles, though, but that's why"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "there's a hybrid version that can fly at"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "over 1,400 nautical miles, which is fast"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "and far enough to hop from Guam to"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "Taiwan without refueling, all while"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "better avoiding enemy air defense and"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "skipping the need for an air base. If"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "you look at this map on page 21 of this"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "rundown on China's strategy, it shows"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "why this is so important. The section in"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "blue that you see there, where is that?"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Are where the Chinese Navy would attempt"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "to interdict American logistics and"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "supplies with their submarines."}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "Contested maritime logistics is"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "nightmare. Shipping supplies to troops"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "on islands will be incredibly dangerous."}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "Even getting troops there is dangerous."}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "So transporting marines from landing"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "ships to islands will be done under"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "constant threat of missiles and"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "torpedoes from enemy subs. It's an"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "invincibility glitch against submarines."}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "The wig, the winging ground concept,"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "isn't vulnerable to sea mines or"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "submarines and could be automated"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "automatically flown. Region Defense"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "claims to have already made automated"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "versions that carry 50 lb payloads. This"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "fits neatly into the Marine's new force"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "design 2030 plan of operating from"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "remote islands. So, it could help small"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "units spread out, dispersed across"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "islands to maneuver against China. It"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "can be armed with four naval strike"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "missiles with over 100 miles range that"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "could be wing-mounted. Or you could"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "design to have eight hellfire missiles"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "or stingers. This way, you could take"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "out incoming missiles or enemy ships"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "anywhere near you. And third, advances"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "in electronic and hybrid electric"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "propulsion means that there's now fewer"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "moving parts, lower maintenance, quieter"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "operation, and less thermal signature."}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "all major wins for stealth and contested"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "logistics. Picture this. It aims to"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "deliver 3,500 lb of cargo to beach"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "heads. So, imagine beaches just swarming"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "with marine platoon backed up by"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "traditional landing craft and able to"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "carry over 15 reloads from Javelin"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "missiles. The Marines are exploring"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "whether this could offload many of their"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "elite Mars units to austere beach heads"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "as precision seating tools. This"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "infiltration method by the viceroy could"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "operate from island outposts where"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "they're equipped with manportable"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "missiles or launching drones for"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "loitering weapons."}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": ">> The heft and the bulk because you're"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "going to be susceptible to undersea"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "warfare. You're going to be susceptible"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "to mines. You're going to be susceptible"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "to air to drones. And so we have to get"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "lighter and more mobile. However,"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "critics are still perplexed by the"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "thing. It's called a sea glider, but"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "it's covered in engines. What kind of"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "glider is that? It claims to have made"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "its first test flight in 2025, but many"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "are still very skeptical about the"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "technology and believe a proper"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "full-scale test flight has yet to be"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "shown. Many in the aviation industry"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "believe that this is a pie in the sky"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "tech that's still far from being useful"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "yet. It's important for me to note that"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "critics of the program think that it'll"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "be more useful for killing local"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "low-flying seagulls than killing the"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "enemy. Criticisms don't stop there with"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "pilots saying that the many engines will"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "be a nightmare for maintenance and the"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "sound that it produces will be horrific."}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "According to them, the Chinese Navy was"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "seen in 2025 testing out their own wing"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "and ground aircraft that HI Sutton"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "nicknamed the Boa Sea Monster as a Cold"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "War reference, but it's unclear yet if"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "it's powered by jets or props. We've"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "only seen some blurry photos of it, but"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "it seems clear that China's trying to"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "use it as their logistics and"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "transportation in the event of a"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "conflict in the South China Sea."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "Modern-day amphibious assaults are"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "nothing like they were back in World War"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "II when you'd load up in a Higgins"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "landing craft and creep to shore at a"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "leisurely place, all while under hail of"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "artillery machine gun fire from the"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "enemy. But today, those assaults will be"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "lousy with precision missiles flying at"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "your face. From cold war Soviet fever"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "dream joke to 21st century logistic"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "savior, the wing and ground concept is"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "officially back. The question is, do you"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "guys think it's a good idea or a waste"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "of money? Do you think this is overhyped"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "and it'll never happen? What type of"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "weapon systems would you like to see"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "crammed on it? I'm your average"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "infanterman, Chris Cappy. Ending"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "transmission."}]

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These"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "covert missions are conducted with full"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "approval and at the invitation of the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "Mexican government to work in"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "partnership on their soil. These two"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "countries are usually shy about their"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "partnership because they don't want to"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "bring too much attention to their"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "bational security cooperation, but I dug"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "up this DEA budget document that reveals"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "over $400 million each year goes to fund"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "some of these international operations."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "Just look at those bars and and and pie"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "charts."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "That's why today I think it's important"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "that we take a look at what these"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "American agents are doing inside Mexico."}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "how two CIA officers were nearly"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "assassinated in broad daylight outside"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "Mexico City and how far America's"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "willing to go to stop the cartels"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "without even using the military. 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Try it out if you're"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "looking for a fun way to kill some"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "downtime anywhere, anytime. You guys get"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "an exclusive starter pack with one free"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "seasonal unit like the elite frig that's"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "worth 25 bucks for the next 30 days. Try"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "it out. Back to the episode. This is"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "Arturo Beltran Leva, also known as Elfe"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "de Hefees or the boss of bosses. And"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "this guy was trying to live up to his"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "name by running drugs deep into the"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "United States, murking dudes left and"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "right, and leaving a trail of cocaine a"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "mile wide in his wake, thinking he was"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "fully immune,"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "a real tryard."}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "And he had reason to feel secure because"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "so far attempts to catch him had failed"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "because he was protected by an army of"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "bodyguards and corrupt cops. This is"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "where the American DEA and CIA decided"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "to get involved. A special US"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "intelligence team was deployed on the"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "ground inside Mexico and embedded"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "alongside elite Mexican forces. They"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "operated out of a forward deployed field"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "outpost deep in cartel country. And in"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "December 2009, US agents managed to"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "track the cartel boss to a luxurious"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "high-rise condo. They were able to"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "triangulate the location from"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "intercepted traffic from his Blackberry."}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "The thing that I think people often"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "forget is the United States government"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "has tools for killing and capturing"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "cartel bosses without needing to deploy"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "military assets across the border."}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "Agents fed Mexican Marines live"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "intelligence as they closed in. 200"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "Marines, two tanks, and helicopters"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "surrounded the complex, blocking every"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "exit."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "It was a full-blown fiesta. Inside were"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "heavily armed sakarios with grenades and"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "rifles. The Marines were ordered to go"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "weapons free on the enemy. As they"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "breached the building, gunmen opened"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "fire, grenades were tossed down the"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "stairwells at them, and a 90-minute long"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "firefight broke out. Four of the cartel"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "hitmen were smoked in the exchange, and"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "one marine named Cordova was killed in"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "action. That meant that the killer"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "capture mission had just become a kill"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "mission. His teammates saw Red and went"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "freaking berserk and chased him into the"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "bedroom. There he made his scarface"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "style last stand. The Marines reportedly"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "pumped him full of bullets, then covered"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "the dead Kingpin's body in blood soaked"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "dollar bills, mocking him as if to say,"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "\"All the money in the world is"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "meaningless if you're bullet ridden.\""}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "There was no flashy arrest, no trial, no"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "extradition. It didn't require US"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "special forces or cruise missiles. These"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "were targeted strikes with partners who"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "pull the trigger. So, who said diplomacy"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "was boring? But the relationship took"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "decades to make it functional. Neither"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "side had a safe word to yell if one went"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "too hard. But the partnership is not"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "without its dangers. In 2012, two"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "American CIA officers were on their way"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "to a Mexican naval base for a meeting"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "when they were ambushed by a hail of"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "gunfire. The shocking attack happened in"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "broad daylight on a highway only 40"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "miles south of Mexico City. 12 gunmen"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "pumped 150 rounds into their vehicle."}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "One of the CIA officers was shot and"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "wounded in the leg, but both managed to"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "survive purely because they lucked out"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "that the enemy couldn't shoot for. They"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "radioed for help, and the Mexican"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "Marines came and saved them. At first,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "it seemed like a rare cartel hit on US"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "officers, but the truth was way more"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "insane. The attackers turned out to be"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "12 Mexican federal police officers who"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "were in civilian clothing and unmarked"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "vehicles. They claimed that it was a"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "case of mistaken identity, but that"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "excuse smells like rotten fish taco"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "because the CIA officers were diplomatic"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "plated in marked vehicles and the"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "federal police were oddly using"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "unregistered weapons. All the Mexican"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "police were arrested for coordinating"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "with the cartel on this wouldbe"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "assassination mission. But the takeaway"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "was the incident revealed that the US"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "intelligence had boots on the ground"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "inside Mexico."}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "And this time they weren't allied with"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "the cartels."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "But wait a second, how is any of this"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "even legal? How can American agents"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "operate so deep inside another foreign"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "country without breaking international"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "law? For decades, the US has legally"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "worked on the ground inside Mexico and"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "vice versa. It's a reciprocal mutually"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "beneficial relationship because in"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "theory it all happens within the"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "framework of what's called the Vienna"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "Convention on Diplomatic Relations."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "These are a fancy highulutin set of"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "rules that were agreed to in 1961 under"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "international law governing how"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "diplomatic conduct works. It was created"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "to establish clear rules to everyone on"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "how diplomats work in the Cold War era."}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "Prior to this, [\u00a0__\u00a0] was pretty buck wild"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "with political assassinations run"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "rampant and diplomats getting arrested"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "left and right, which would cause"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "blowback and full-blown wars. So, this"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "treaty gave diplomatic immunity to"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "foreign agents like the DEA and FBI. We"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "can't agree on much, it seems like, but"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "we can agree we don't want our diplomats"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "getting parking tickets. But foreign"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "agents typically cannot carry guns or"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "directly arrest suspects, especially in"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "Mexico soil, without being authorized."}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "agents are officially registered and"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "cannot interfere in the internal affairs"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "of the host state. I don't tell my"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "neighbor Carl how to work his own"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "barbecue in his home, even if he's"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "burning the dogs. The DEA first opened"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "up their foreign offices in Mexico City"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "in 1973, and only 10 years later, they"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "were already deeply involved in the most"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "high-profile missions there. They"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "partnered to target poppy and marijuana"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "fields. They used aerial surveillance"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "assets that Mexico didn't have access"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "to. You guys, it was a big winwin. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "like my old squad leader used to always"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "say, \"If you rub my tummy, I'll tickle"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "your chin.\""}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "But then in 1985, that would change when"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "37-year-old DEA agent Enrique Kiki"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Camarina was sent to Mexico. He was"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "investigating a massive cartel marijuana"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "plantation called Rancho Buffalo. It was"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "a gigantic 2,500 acre or like 4 square"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "miles long plantation for marijuana. It"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "had its own irrigation systems, housing"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "for workers, air strips, and even armed"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "security. Going within 10 mi of that"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "place gave you a contact high. Kiki"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "passed details of the hidden cartel"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "operations from his on the ground"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "informants to Mexican authorities. In"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "turn, over 400 Mexican soldiers raided"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "the ranch, destroying the entire crop"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "worth an estimated $22 billion dollar"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "today. But there was an unforeseen"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "problem. Kiki had unknowingly triggered"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "a political firestorm and gotten tangled"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "up in an absolute cluster. There was a"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "secret alliance between drug traffickers"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "and Mexico's own federal police and"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "intelligence services. Testimony from"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "three DEA agents said that the"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "conspiracy ran even deeper, that the CIA"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "was involved and attempted to cover up"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "their association with the cartel. What"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "was for sure is that Kiki had gotten in"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "way over his head. Corrupt authorities"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "betrayed the DEA agent and alongside the"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "cartel, they kidnapped him in broad"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "daylight as he left the US consulate to"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "meet his wife for lunch. They tortured"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "him and his pilot for over 30 hours,"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "then killed them and left their bodies"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "in a shallow grave to be found a month"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "later. This shattered the trust in the"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "US Mexico partnership up until then. The"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "DEA saw this as a violation of that"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "Vienna Act, which was supposed to"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "protect legally identified foreign"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "agents on Mexican soil. In response, the"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "DEA went full berserk mode and launched"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Operation Lenida, the first full-scale"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "foreign homicide task force that"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "operated in both Mexico and the United"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "States. They went absolutely nuts. The"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "DEA hired private bounty hunters to"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "kidnap a Mexican citizen on foreign"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "soil."}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "International laws became optional."}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "The man they went to kidnap was Dr."}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "Alberto Machan, who was a Guadalajara"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "based physician who was accused of"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "injecting the American DEA agent with"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "drugs to keep him conscious during that"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "30-hour torture session. He was"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "kidnapped from his office in Mexico."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "They threw a bag over his head and"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "exfiltrated him by private jet to El"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "Paso, Texas, where he was arrested."}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Mexico called it a violation of their"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "sovereignty, but the United States"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Supreme Court said that it was okay and"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "gave it the green light. Operation"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "Lenida blurred the lines between a"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "paramilitary and law enforcement"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "mission. They raided over a 100"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "locations across Mexico with the help of"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "Mexican troops that they had vetted and"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "trusted. This included DFS safe houses."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "The Mexican DFS, which is like their"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "version of the CIA, was later disgraced"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "and disbanded as a result of the"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "revelations here and relations reached a"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "new low. It would have been easy for"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "both countries to pull out after this,"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "but shared interests kept them together."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "Mexico and the United States instead"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "doubled down. They cleaned house and"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "they rewired the whole partnership from"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "the ground up because the alternative"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "doing nothing meant that they would let"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "the cartels win. Instead of trusting"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "entire agencies in Mexico, the DEA then"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "created what were called sensitive"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "investigative units or SIU. These were"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "small groups of vetted Mexicans who were"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "polygraphed, background checked, and"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "trained firsthand by the DEA."}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "Same team. Same team."}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "These units answered directly to the DEA"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "handlers and were more isolated from the"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "broader corruption that faced Mexican"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "institutions. The DEA expanded its on"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "the ground footprint at this time in"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "Mexico by gradually expanding their"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "operations to a total of 11 official"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "offices by the late 1990s. And these"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "were strategically located in Mexican"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "border cities for these crossber"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "investigations. In 2006, when Mexico"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "launched their quote unquote war on"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "drugs, the DEA and FBI ramped up their"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "footprint even more with their joint"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "intelligence fusion centers. Their whole"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "job was creating target packages where"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "American analysts built out full"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "profiles and tracked cartel leaders. We"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "gave the locations and the Mexican"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "troops did the knocking or"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "more accurately did the blowing up"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "doors."}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "An audit was recently released this year"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "that detailed how FBI units operating in"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "Mexico City were compromised by cartel"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "hackers. The Sinoella cartels"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "successfully infiltrated Mexico City's"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "surveillance network, breaching over"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "18,000 CCTV feeds. This allowed them to"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "gain access to mobile phone data and"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "tracked the movements of a US FBI"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "assistant legal attache which gave them"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "access to multiple undercover"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "informants. Using this surveillance,"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "they monitored FBI personnel that"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "traveled between US embassies, safe"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "houses, and meeting points that were all"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "in Mexico's capital. The cartel hacker"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "was able to see calls made and received"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "by the FBI official and their"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "geoloccation data. According to the case"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "agent, the cartel then used that"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "information to kill sources and"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "intimidate others. This wasn't your"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "typical drive by shooting in a dusty"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "desert."}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "It was a 21st century digital"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "assassination campaign. What made this"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "so devastating, I think, is that at the"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "time of the hack, the FBI legal atache"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "was embedded with Mexican federal"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "forces. They were actively managing"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "cartel investigations in real time. So,"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "American FBI agents in Mexico were"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "riding alongside Mexican units to"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "debrief cartel defectors face to face."}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "So, the cartel got this deep look inside"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "the FBI's undercover operations in"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "Mexico. It exposed their ability to"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "stalk agents. And you might be surprised"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "to learn that the FBI has been in Mexico"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "City since 1940, making it one of the"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "oldest overseas legat posts, as they're"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "called. By the 2010s, the DEA was once"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "again deeply embedded in Mexico, but now"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "the rules of the game had been better"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "defined and some level of trust had been"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "restored. This is where US DEA"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "Supervisory Special Agent Victor Vasquez"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "comes in. He grew up in Mexico and was a"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "former Marine. His fluency in Spanish"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "and English, his close cultural ties to"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "both sides of the border, and his"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "military experience made him perfect for"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "the kind of sensitive international"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "mission he was about to be assigned."}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "He's like Jason Bourne with a license to"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "coordinate kill teams. In 2010, the DEA"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "sent agent Vasquez and Drew Hogan"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "deployed to Mexico City on a covert"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "mission to hunt El Chapo. Drew Hogan was"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "a former Kansas deputy sheriff who had"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "experience running undercover"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "infiltrations. Drew headed up the"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "intelligence operation side, working"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "closely with Mexican authorities on the"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "ground, and agent Vasquez was embedded"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "as the liaison with the actual hit"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "teams. They started by going after El"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "Chapo's lower level operatives. They"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "tracked cartel burner phones. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "Carl, you had one job. Get untraceable"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "burner phones, homie. But they were"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "screwed before they even opened their"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "mouths because these supposedly"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "untraceable prepaid phones were tracked"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "by new American surveillance tech that"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "used cell tower triangulation. The DEA's"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "advanced wiretaps allowed the"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "enforcement teams to capture El Chapo's"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "higherup lieutenants and then"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "subsequently flip them as informants."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "But somehow El Chapo continued escaping."}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "Court testimony from Agent Vasquez"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "reveals how they fixed this problem and"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "just how much authority he had on the"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "overall tactics. He said, quote, \"We"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "took the Mexican Federal Police out and"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "only involved the Mexican Marines."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "Involving the police was not going to"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "work because of the corruption level.\""}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "He led a strike force of 100 Marines on"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "a Blackhawk helicopter raid on suspected"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "hideouts. He traveled alongside with"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "them on these helicopters. But El Chapo"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "was nowhere to be found. Agent Vasquez"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "said that in Kuliaakon, you're going"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "into the lion's den. You're going into"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "the area of control of the most powerful"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "cartel in the world. He was putting"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "himself at considerable risk there, but"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "he knew that they were closing in on the"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "target. The joint team narrowed in El"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "Chapo's location by little, and Agent"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "Vasquez chose the house to hit, and the"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "Mexican Marines kicked in the doors and"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "bagged the bodies. When they raided one"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "suspected safe house, they breached the"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "building. A firefight erupted and the"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "Marines killed five cartel gunmen and"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "wounded six others. One Marine was"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "injured in the chaos, but the intel that"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "they pulled from the raid was absolute S"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "tier gold. They seized the phones that"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "led them to follow a trail to a luxury"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "condo in Mazatlan, where El Chapo was"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "suspected of hiding out. Overhead, a"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "constellation of American satellites"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "track their location. In February 2014,"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Vasquez launched a pre-dawn raid"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "alongside Mexican Marines called"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "Operation Black Swan. He wore a body"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "camera during the raid, and it revealed"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "how closely embedded US agents were on"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "the ground. Footage shows the Marines"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "breaching a reinforced steel door,"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "taking nearly 10 minutes to gain entry."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Inside they found a bathtub that opened"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "up through wiring which revealed it was"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "a hidden trap door that led to an escape"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "tunnel. Vasquez helped secure the scene."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "He then gave a positive identification"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "on the cartel boss who was nearly"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "unrecognizable caught shirtless next to"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "an AK-47. Vasquez later said in"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "testimony, quote, I even froze myself"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "and I said, \"Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] it is him.\" Then"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "when El Chapo escaped prison in Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "it was once again DEA agent Vasquez who"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "was called on to help track him down. In"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "2016, Vasquez was on the scene where a"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "platoon of Mexican Marines engaged in a"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "brutal firefight that left a handful of"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "Sucario's dead and El Chapo once again"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "captured. This time extradited to the"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "United States where he's behind bars for"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "life. This was a massive success. But if"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "you notice something, the theme across"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "all these stories is a lot of it is"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "about nabbing criminals that were of"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "interest to the United States. And these"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "kind of violent, overt raids rubbed some"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "in Mexico the wrong way. In the 2020s,"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "Mexico's president Oberdor restricted"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "the DEA's capabilities inside Mexico. He"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "claimed the DEA were rogue agents that"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "were violating Mexican sovereignty. and"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "he even passed a law that prevented"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "Mexican officials from speaking to the"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "DEA without first informing the"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "government. In 2022, the SIU system were"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "disbanded. So, those bilateral teams"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "were crushed. That's why there's another"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "American agency that in the last 5 years"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "has stepped up to fill that gap and"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "become possibly the leading crossber"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "investigative unit. You're probably"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "familiar with ICE from their recent"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "headlines in America for immigration"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "raids and riots in Los Angeles, but you"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "might not be aware that they also run a"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "unit inside Mexico as part of what's"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "called their Homeland Security"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "Investigations branch or HSI and they"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "have more than 7,000 field agents. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "true, the DEA may have been the dominant"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "US agency in Mexico throughout the 1980s"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "and '90s, but today it's surprisingly"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "ISIS's homeland security investigations"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "that's quietly becoming the real player"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "on the ground. Why is that? I think"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "because HSI isn't just chasing after"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "drugs, it's chasing everything. Weapons,"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "money laundering, cyber crime, human"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "trafficking, and crossber financial"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "networks. That broader mission scope"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "combined with a reputation for sharing"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "intelligence with Mexican authorities"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "even when it's not directly in US"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "interests has made HSI some would say a"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "more trusted and strategically useful"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "partner inside Mexico. They've worked"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "handin glove with top level Mexican"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "officials like when they provided"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "intelligence that led to the largest"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "cocaine bust in Mexico City's history"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "during now President Shine Bomb's time"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "as mayor there. This put them in a"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "position to become the major"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "three-letter agency in Mexico that"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "almost no one knows about. And an"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "incident in 2011 showed the dangers that"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "they face every day. On a Tuesday"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "afternoon in February 2011, two American"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "ICE agents, Jaime Zapata, 32, and Victor"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "Aila, 38, were driving south on Highway"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "57 in central Mexico. It's an isolated"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "stretch of road between Mterrey and"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "Mexico City. They were actually on a"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "weapons interdiction mission trying to"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "stop weapons from being smuggled into"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "the country. The agents were riding in a"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "diplomatic plated armored Chevrolet"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "Suburban and they were under official"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "orders, but they were unescorted, which"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "meant that they were navigating cartel"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "controlled territory with no armed"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "escort. What neither of the agents knew"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "was that the Losas, one of the most"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "feared and militarized cartels in"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "Mexico, had been tracking and stalking"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "them. At 2:30 p.m., two SUVs intercepted"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "their armored vehicle and boxed them in."}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "Armed men poured out, AK-47s were drawn"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "on them. The agents rolled down their"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "bullet resistant windows slightly and"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "shouted that they were authorized US"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "diplomats, but it didn't matter. The"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "cartel gunmen fired at the window seams,"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "spots that are known to be more"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "vulnerable on armored vehicles. Agent"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "Zapata was hit multiple times. His"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "partner, Aliva, was wounded in the leg,"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "but he managed to radio for help. The"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "vehicle was shot with over 80 rounds."}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "Jaime Zapata died before reaching the"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "hospital. It was the first killing of a"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "US federal agent on Mexican soil since"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "DEA agent Kiki in 1985, and it happened"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "during a volatile geopolitical moment."}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "Cartels were escalating their response"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "to the crackdown against them. The"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "brutal murder launched a bational"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "manhunt over the next six years. Seven"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "cartel members were extradited to the"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "United States, including El Poleon, who"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "was convicted of leading that hit team."}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "By 2017, two of the attackers were"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "sentenced to life in federal prison."}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "Zapata's killing forced ICE to ban these"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "kind of solo highway movements in"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "Mexico, and they overhauled agent"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "protection, and they changed how"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "embedded operations were conducted. But"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "it exposed a harsh truth. American"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "agents in cartel territory aren't just"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "investigators, they're targets. And I"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "think this is the strange truth about"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "the US Mexico cartel war. It's not a"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "full military campaign, and it's not a"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "criminal investigation. It's something"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "new, a hybrid of diplomacy, espionage,"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "and street justice. It's not necessarily"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "flashy. It's not always clean. But this"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "partnership is one of the few things"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "keeping the most dangerous criminals in"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "our hemisphere from acting with"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "impunity. For the full show notes and"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "sources for this episode, you can go to"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "cappyarmmy.com where you can also find a"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "link for the merch to get this tactical"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "progression t-shirt. We start as apes"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "apes and we work our way up to M1"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "Abrams. And remember guys, check out"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "Supremacy World War III, the"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "free-to-play online grand strategy game"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "set in the modern global wars that we"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "follow here. Personally, I'm all about"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "building up my army, coming up with an"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "Alexander the Great style strategy."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Keep calm, carry on, then sound the"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "bloody alarm. Because the United"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "Kingdom's new strategic defense review"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "is the biggest overhaul of their"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "military in over a generation, aimed at"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "preparing for war to deter it from"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "happening in the first place. I read the"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "144 page government document so that you"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "don't have to. and it outlines their"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "plan to radically transform each branch"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "of the armed forces and invest billions"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "of dollars into a new hybrid drone navy,"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "additional munition plants, fighter"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "jets, and thousands more personnel."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "M, that smells like defense contracts."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "In fact, all the 32 European NATO"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "members just met and pledged to reach 5%"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "defense spending by 2035, which means"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "Britain will rearm at a pace not seen"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "since the Cold War. Why is that?"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Fortunately, the defense review itself"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "spells out their justification so that"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "the slower kids in the back of the class"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "like myself can understand. Russia's"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "mentioned 33 different times in the"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "document."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "The British Prime Minister says in its"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "intro pages, Russia's waging war on our"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "continent and probing our defenses at"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "home. The Secretary of Defense goes on"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "to say, \"The growing Russian aggression,"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "new nuclear risks, and daily cyber"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "attacks at home.\" You guys, I'm no"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "genius, but I think the UK and Europe"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "might just be a tad bit concerned about"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "Russia. From the UK government's point"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "of view, the Kremlin has increased"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "defense spending by 70% in just 2 years."}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "That's 43% of their total spending is"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "now linked to the Russian"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "military-industrial complex. New"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "satellite photos show Russian troops"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "establishing an artillery base just 100"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "km from Finland's border with 2,000"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "Russian soldiers stationed there. Isn't"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "that just some cheeky jolly good fun? A"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "British intelligence agency warned that"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "Russian statebacked groups were actively"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "embedding themselves into UK power"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "stations, internet providers, and water"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "treatment plants, placing kill switches"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "in them to be activated in the event of"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "a conflict. And any number of different"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "scenarios could trigger a situation"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "where Britain deploys troops in Europe."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "So the question is, is Britain prepared"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "for war? Britain with its population of"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "68 million people and a hefty GDP of"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "over $3 trillion are extremely important"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "to the alliance. They're the sixth"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "largest economy and the sixth highest"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "defense spender in the entire world. Its"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "geography makes it kind of unsinkable"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "aircraft carrier right on the doorstep"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "of Europe, which means that it's a"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "gateway to the Arctic and a key outpost"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "to the Atlantic for anti-ubmarine"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "Russian warfare. The UK is a permanent"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "member of the UN Security Council, one"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "of only two nuclear powers in all of"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "Europe, and their MI6 intelligence"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "capabilities are regarded as the top"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "three best in the world. Meanwhile,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "former American generals and British"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "officials have stated that the UK is"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "unprepared to fight against a larger"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "nation. This strategic defense review"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "itself even agrees with that assessment"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "and does a self burn saying quote the"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "current British military is better"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "suited as a peacetime force and that"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "they're not optimized for warfare"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "against a pure military state. Some of"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "the most widely covered criticisms of"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "the British military is that their army"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "only has roughly 157 operational main"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "battle tanks and that there are only"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "73,000 active duty troops currently. How"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "can Britain be so powerful and have so"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "many challenges at the same time? To"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "better understand this, I spoke with"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "expert, former British infantry officer"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "Nicholas Drummond, who advises and works"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "with the British government in military"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "acquisition. And I think the real"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "watershed moment for the army was the"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "end of the cold war in 1990. And we saw"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "no real investment after that time and"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "existing equipment was simply parked in"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "barracks and allowed to rest in peace."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Today, we're going to examine how the"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "British military shrank to its smallest"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "point in over 300 years since the"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "Napoleonic Wars and if these historic"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "changes to their defense posture will be"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "able to deter war with Russia."}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "This story about how NATO members just"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "met and agreed to devote 5% of GDP to"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "defense spending was covered with a lot"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "of bias from all sides in the media, I"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "think. And that's why I partnered with"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Ground News, because they're the best"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "tool for me to stay objective with my"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "reporting. Ground News is an app and a"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "website that pulls in news coverage from"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "around the world and puts it in one"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "place so you can see how every angle of"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "a story is being told. It shows us how"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "out of over 700 different publications"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "covering this story about NATO, it leans"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "slightly left on the spectrum. 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If you're"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "news curious like I am, click the link"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "in the description or go to"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "ground.news/cappy"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "or scan the QR code to get a clearer"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "understanding of the world. A nation"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "that forgets its past has no future. The"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "reason Britain is proposing such a"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "massive change to their military is"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "similar to what happened to many nations"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "after the end of World War II. Decades"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "of reduced funding with some mismanaged"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "budgets mixed in there. At the absolute"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "height of World War II, Britain's back"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "was legitimately up against the wall."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "They were suffering a brutal bombing"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "campaign from the Nazis, forcing them to"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "ration food. Therefore, by the end of"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "World War II, there were over 5 million"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "British personnel serving across the"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "branches or about 25% of the entire male"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "population. So, between World War II and"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "1990, we had a very strong set of"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "military capabilities and that's"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "gradually been shrunk over time. Defense"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "spending peaked at about 50% of GDP"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "during the war. It cost the UK around a"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "trillion pounds, which was the"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "equivalent of about 200% of its GDP at"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "the time. Britain had to sell off about"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "a quarter of their overseas assets, and"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "it became heavily reliant on US loans."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "Demobilization, though, started right"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "after World War II, and by 1948, they"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "were down to about 1 million personnel"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "in their forces. But the threats weren't"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "over for them. They couldn't relax that"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "easily. The Soviet Union's border in"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "East Berlin was only 570 mi or 920 km"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "away from London in the UK. That's like"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "the distance from New York to North"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "Carolina was where Soviet troops were"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "positioned for them. This is why British"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "troop levels during the 1950s had to"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "remain high at about 800,000. I would"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "argue one of the most influential people"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "on British national defense strategy at"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "this time was Field Marshall Montgomery"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "who was a famous World War II tank"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "commander and he argued for a strong"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "armored force that was forward deployed"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "in Europe. He wrote in his memoir, I was"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "deeply concerned that the British army"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "was being allowed to run down too fast."}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "The danger was that we would end up with"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "an army that appeared respectable but"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "could not be relied upon in war."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "Montgomery was instrumental in the"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "creation of what was called the British"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Army of the Rine, which was 60,000"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "British troops and 800 main battle tanks"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "forward deployed in West Germany against"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "Soviet Union. He said, quote, \"The"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "British Army of the Rine must be a real"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "fighting force, not a token presence. It"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "must have enough men and tanks to face"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "the Soviet threat on the ground. Only"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "then can it serve as an effective"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "deterrent.\" End quote. Something I read"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "about and just learned about very"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "recently was the British Army of the"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Rine."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Yeah. So back then, you know, we had a"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "core size force in Germany of 55,000 and"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "that was three armored divisions, an"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "artillery division, a substantial force,"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "all armored positioned within 4 hours of"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "their deployment zones. And when you"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "contrast what we have today, it's very"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "different."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "That's interesting. And that's sort of"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "what it feels like the British military"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "would like to be able to do once again"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "today."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "Any wise, pound foolish. However,"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "everything changed when in 1953, the"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "United Kingdom gave birth to their first"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "nuclear weapon. Allow me to introduce"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "you to the man with the new national"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "defense plan. Duncan Sandies. Sandies"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "was a former World War II naval"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "commander and then Minister of Defense."}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "He led the creation of the defense white"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "paper of 1957. and it's the direct"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "predecessor of today's strategic defense"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "review that we're going to get into. It"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "was one of the most consequential"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "documents in British military history"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "and you could argue one of the most"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "radical defense policy ships for them"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "ever that we're still feeling to this"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "day. The paper outlined how Britain"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "believed a battle with the Soviet Union"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "would be carried out by nuclear weapons"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "and would ultimately be on the American"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "Air Force to win. that they plan to"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "reduce the size of the British Army and"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "Air Force drastically and focus on their"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "navy. The white paper called for ending"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "conscription by 1963. It set a precedent"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "that Britain would rely on nuclear"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "weapons to deter the Soviet aggression"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "which would allow them to minimize their"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "expensive large standing conventional"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "forces. It was a have my cake and eat it"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "too kind of moment where they could"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "still defend against the Soviet Union"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "while not maintaining a large expensive"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "standing army. I mean, you're absolutely"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "right. People justified nuclear weapons"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "saying if we had a nuclear capability,"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "we would not need um such large and"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "significant land forces. And I think to"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "a certain extent that's true, but if you"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "really lose your any significant"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "conventional capabilities, then nuclear"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "weapons become your only recourse. So"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "really, we do need land forces for some"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "kind of scaled escalation. This marked"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "the point at which Britain acknowledged"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "that it could no longer afford to"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "maintain a global military presence on"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "the scale required to defend its vast"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "colonial empire. Troop levels started to"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "sharply decline to about 350,000"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "and defense spending fell to 5% by the"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "1970s. Once the Soviet Union collapsed"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "and the Cold War ended, the British"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "government, like most NATO members, saw"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "this as the long awaited peace dividend."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "With no existential threat on the"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "horizon, they started slashing defense"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "budgets left and right. They reduced"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "force structure and closed overseas"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "bases. The British Army of the Rine was"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "formally disbanded in 1994. By the mid1"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "1990s, British regular forces were down"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "to around 220,000 personnel, and the"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "trend of downsizing would continue year"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "after year. London had once again become"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "one of the world's premier financial"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "hubs. At the same time, the UK was still"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "involved in a number of high tempmpo"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "operations. From peacekeeping in Bosnia"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "to air operations over Kosovo, they were"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "doing more with less. And at first, they"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "made it work. British forces maintained"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "their highly professional and"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "wellrespected reputation on the world"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "stage and the UK joined the United"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "States in the global war on terror"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "committing tens of thousands of troops"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "to Afghanistan and Iraq."}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "After 9/11 the army was reconfigured"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "around MRAPs for counterinsurgency"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "operations, not heavy armor for fighting"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "a peer adversary. And we've really"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "suffered there. So challenger numbers"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "have really sunk to a very low level. By"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "2010, regular British Army strength had"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "dropped to 100,000 and total defense"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "spending was sitting at about 2.5% of"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "GDP on a downward trend. Even while"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "defense budgets were slashed, they were"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "still responsible for some of the"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "world's most innovative inventions in"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "the defense world, including Chobum"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "armor and law anti-tank missiles and"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "long-range storm shadows. Then came the"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "2010 strategic defense and security"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "review which was conducted in the wake"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "of the 2008 financial crash. The review"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "marked another major inflection point."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "The UK government announced deep cuts"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "across all three services driven by"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "financial constraints. Most notably, we"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "saw the regular British army cut to"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "82,000 troops and the Harrier fleet and"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "aircraft carrier was retired. The UK"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "still had a world-class nuclear"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "submarine force and special forces, but"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "the depth, mass, and sustainability of"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "the force had been hollowed out. By the"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "late 2010s, respected defense analysts"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "and even British generals began to"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "publicly warn that the UK was no longer"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "capable of fighting a sustained war"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "against a pure adversary. But who the"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "heck cared at the time? There seemed to"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "be no credible massive threat against"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "them. was a decade where there was"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "really no grand strategy figured out"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "what we wanted the British army to do or"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "how it should be organized and this was"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "because there was no real threat at that"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "Years of underfunding, a focus on"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "counterinsurgency over conventional"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "warfare and political indecision had"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "taken its toll. If the enemy doesn't"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "kill you, bureaucracy will. However, by"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "2021, the government published another"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "white paper called the Integrated"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "Review, which saw the army shrink to"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "where it stands today at just about"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "73,000 regular soldiers, its smallest"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "size in over 300 years. When the"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "population was four times smaller,"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "defense spending was now at its lowest"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "point of 2.2% GDP. The British Army,"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "once capable of deploying over 400,000"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "soldiers in the continental Europe, was"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "now reduced to a single deployable"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "division relying on US logistical"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "support. And we have just 14 artillery"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "systems, 14 155 mm guns. That's"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "astonishing. And I personally believe"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "that's way too low. So I'd like to see"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "us have four regular tank regiments and"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "two reserves. And that's probably around"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "three 300 tanks."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "You may not be interested in war, but"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "war is interested in you. Then the world"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "was shocked. Russia's full-scale"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "invasion of Ukraine in 2022 was taken as"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "a wake-up call by the United Kingdom."}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "And the problem started pouring in now"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "as a report by the National Audit Office"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "found that the British military ammo"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "stockpiles were so low they were forced"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "to reduce donations to Ukraine. They"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "concluded that further donations of"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "lethal aid would pose unacceptable risks"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "to the UK military's readiness and would"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "take 10 years to replace. Ben Wallace,"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "the UK's former defense secretary of"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "2023, said the armed forces had become"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "hollowed out and underfunded. In"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "February 2024, the UK House of Commons"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "Defense Committee published a report"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "aptly titled Ready for War question"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "mark. in it. They assessed there were"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "multiple shortfalls for large-scale"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "combat operations, including not enough"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "personnel and shortage of stockpile of"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "munitions. The UK contributes a presence"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "of forward deployed 1,000 land forces"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "and two squadrons of main battle tanks"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "in Poland and Estonia, as well as air"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "support for the region as part of"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "Operation Cabaret. These are a trip wire"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "force designed to hold up just long"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "enough for American reinforcements to"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "arrive. But the United States government"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "has signaled that they may no longer"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "shoulder the defense burden in Europe in"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "the same way that they had for the past"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "few decades. Which brings us to 2025 and"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "this brand spanking new strategic"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "defense review. And it outlines 62"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "acceptable recommendations that will"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "prepare Britain for war. After reading"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "through the document, the big giant"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "bottom line up front is, I think, summed"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "up in one word, the Navy. Britain is"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "investing heavily in a hybrid drone"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "navy. Based on the success of Ukraine's"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "maritime attack drones that they have."}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "The reason for this investment is"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "because the Royal Navy today only has 14"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "destroyers and frigots, many of which"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "have maintenance and operational"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "problems, and that number will now"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "increase to 25. The HMS Prince of Wales"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "aircraft carrier also had maintenance"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "issues that will now get new renovations"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "and investment. These naval forces will"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "be a what's called Europe first or NATO"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "first investment that the UK plans to"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "mainly distribute to its NATO allies."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "The UK currently has 10 submarines"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "that'll increase to 22, which is where"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "their ability to launch nuclear weapons"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "lies. These will be continuously built"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "with one being pumped out every 18"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "months. The reason why the UK is"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "focusing on their navy at the expense of"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "other branches is partly because of"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "something called the GIW gap, which is"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "the strategic naval bottleneck choke"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "point between Greenland, Iceland, and"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "the United Kingdom. The gap being the"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "two stretches of open ocean among these"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "three land masses. It's one of Earth's"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "most sexy natural forming thigh gaps."}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "This is the front line for the Royal"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "Navy to monitor and intercept Russian"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "submarines as they try to come in from"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "the Cola Peninsula into the Atlantic"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "Ocean. This region is vital for NATO"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "logistics and forces coming from"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "America. This natural geographic water"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "obstacle that has existed throughout"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "history. It's a huge part of the reason"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "why the UK has always focused resources"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "on their navy. I was expecting there to"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "be more investment into the army and"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "into tanks. And I I don't know. I'm"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "trying to understand kind of what the"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "thinking is."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "Yeah. So the strategy that seems to be"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "emerging is that look, we're based in"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "the UK. You know, we we can't deploy to"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "Europe quickly, but let's leave the land"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "stuff to Poland and Germany and let's"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "focus on the stuff we can do, which is"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "the naval stuff and the air stuff. And I"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "think that is a a sensible strategy. In"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "1713, Britain took control of the Strait"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "of Gibralta when they tactically"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "acquired it from war with Spain. The"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "Straight of Jibralta is one of the most"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "important strategic maritime choke"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "points on Earth. 30% of the global"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "seaborn oil transits this narrow 8-m"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "wide choke point that links Europe,"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "Africa, and Asia. So this outpost here"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "is crucial to denying adversaries access"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "from the Mediterranean and to keep"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "allied logistics flowing freely and the"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "UK is responsible for it. The UK's air"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "force is at about 107 fighter jets, a"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "mix of F-35s and Typhoons that are being"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "retired. The new plan will increase to"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "74 more F-35s and additional drone"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "wingmen and a sixth generation aircraft"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "known as the Tempest on the horizon. And"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "this gets us to the most controversial"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "part, the British Army. The army is"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "getting the least amount of focus based"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "on the strategic priorities, but it's"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "not without any love. The UK plans to"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "spend 6 billion pounds to build six new"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "munition factories that'll procure 7,000"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "long range missiles and a constant"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "supply of shells. This is part of what"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "they're calling their defense dividend,"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "which is a turn of phrase on the peace"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "dividend. They say the defense spending"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "will create thousands of new jobs and"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "help boost the economy. The plan is to"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "increase personnel by 30,000 to 100,000"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "soldiers in the army. The document"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "outlines a key concept of their ground"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "forces. The infantry needs to be 10"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "times more lethal, they say. And that's"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "the key phrase. If someone asked me to"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "be 10 times more better at my job, I'd"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "probably say, but how? Am I getting 10"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "times more resources? But no, you're"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "getting drone swarms and AI software to"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "make up for it. This is how they get to"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "have their cake and eat it, too. The"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "answer isn't just nukes this time. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "drones. The Defense Review states that"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "infantry units will go by what's called"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "a 20 4040 mix, which is kind of a"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "fascinating theory. The US military"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "appears to be going in a similar"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "direction, in fact, and militaries"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "around the world are going this way. It"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "breaks down as follows. 20% crude"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "platforms like your tanks, IFBs, your"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "human operators, 40% high-end reusable"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "uncrrewed platforms like autonomous"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "drones that can survive multiple"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "missions and 40% expendable consumables"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "which is like loitering munitions,"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "kamicazi singleuse drones. The end"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "result is the UK force plans to be 80%"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "unmanned. This is a heavy reliance on"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "drones. is this new um martr tank"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "initiative and that is main armored tank"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "of Europe to rebuild main battle tank"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "capacity and that will see maybe as many"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "as 4,000 new tanks acquired and that"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "will give us a a mass of of main battle"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "tanks enabling us to really take the"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "fight to Russia."}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "But here is what I think explains all of"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "this the best. Nuclear weapons are"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "extremely expensive to maintain. Their"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "strategy has evolved to a strategic"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "logic that I would like to call do what"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "others can't, which is keeping that"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "nuclear button working. And that button"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "is a lot more expensive than you might"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "think. The new Dreadnot class ballistic"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "missile submarine will be an investment"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "around $30 billion plus a $10 billion"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "contingency. And it starts to become"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "clear why the UK can't afford a giant"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "standing army."}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "Yeah, I would summarize it really. is a"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "triumph of ambition over substance. You"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "know, it's of all the hey, these are all"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "the things we want to do, not these are"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "all things we're going to do. I always"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "think compare the the challenge of"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "rebuilding UK defense. It's like the"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "roof of a house. You know, every year"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "you lose tiles from the roof and you"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "have to replace them. And if you have a"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "program of always replacing roof tiles,"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "then the the roof will last"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "indefinitely. But if you leave it and do"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "nothing for 30 years, you eventually"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "reach a point where you have to replace"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "the whole roof. And that's always much"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "more expensive than the incremental um"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "taking care of it. And that's where we"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "are in the UK."}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "While Britain's new defense strategy may"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "be wrapped in drones, nukes, and frigots"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "in the navy, at its core, it's a blunt"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "admission. I think the age of peace"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "dividends is over and the UK is gearing"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "up for real war. One that could reach"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "from the trenches to our tap water. 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[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "The United States special forces have"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "long operated in the shadows of the"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "Middle East. And now, after decades of"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "war, these black ops are finally coming"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "to light. From the global war on terror"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "all the way to the chaos unfolding"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "today, this will be an iceberg style"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "video where I've picked out a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "stories and missions that I think"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "Hollywood hasn't covered. To set the"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "stage, allow me to introduce you to the"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "US Special Forces Fifth Group. They cut"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "their teeth in the jungles of Vietnam,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "where they were the absolute daddies of"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "unconventional warfare. By the 1980s,"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "they were reassigned to US Central"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "Command, giving them a new focus on the"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "Persian Gulf in Southwest Asia. Things"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "changed big time in 1987. That's when"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "special operations command or SOCOM was"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "created and it was given a fourstar"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "general at the helm. So, for the first"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "time, units like fifth group had real"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "clout. They were given their own budget"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "and they had a permanent seat at the"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "decision makers table just in time"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "because the wars in the new area of"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "operation were about to kick off and not"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "slow down for decades. Our first story"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "is about the littleknown combat between"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "US special forces and Iranian operatives"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "inside Iraq. By 2007, evidence recovered"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "in the field by troops revealed that"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "Iran was directly supporting insurgent"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "forces as a proxy against America. In"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "response to the reports, President"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "George W. Bush authorized a"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "controversial kill or capture strategy"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "against any Iranian agents suspected of"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "aiding insurgent forces. But before we"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "get into that, a quick message from"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "today's sponsor, Delete Me. If you're"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "like my dad, Johnny Cappy, then you"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "absolutely hate having your information"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "being online. Absolutely scary. And"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "that's why I got my dad a delete me"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "account because they ran a privacy"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "report on him and were able to delete"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "178 personal pieces of information. A"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "ton of listings are removed. After"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "looking at my delete me report, I"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "realized why I get so much spam. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "these data brokers have my phone number,"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "address. The amount of time that it"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "saved you was 4 and 1/2 hours time"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "searching and then another 4 and 1/2"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "hours time removing these. Way more than"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "that. My dad raised our family to be"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "careful about data our entire lives. I"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "remember we used to go to the grocery"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "store and they would ask for your number"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "and you would say 5555."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "I try not to give them really anything."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "The FBI still has all the information on"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "me. There's nothing I can do about that."}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "Get Delete Me for yourself. Get it as a"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "gift for your dad. If you want your data"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "deleted forever, just go to"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "joindeleteme.com/cappy"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "army and use my promo code cappy for 20%"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "off. Within hours of President Bush's"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "public announcement in January 2007,"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "troops from Delta Force raided an"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "Iranian consulate in the northern Iraqi"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "city of Urbil, which is kind of like"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "their embassy. The operation was aimed"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "at capturing and interrogating, I mean"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "questioning Muhammad Jafari, who was the"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "deputy head of Iran's security council,"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "and General Forriadi, the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guard"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "Corps. Unfortunately, neither of the"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "targets was present at the consulate,"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "but the raid did nab five mid-level"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "Revolutionary Guard officers that were"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "nicknamed the Herbal Five. The raid cost"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "tons of political capital with the Iraqi"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "government, but it showed how far"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "America was willing to go against their"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "Iranian targets. This was the start of a"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "new phase in the shadow war between the"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "United States and Iran that really"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "extends all the way to today. A senior"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "US counterterrorism official spoke"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "anonymously to the Washington Post and"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "he characterized this wider goal, this"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "aggressive strategy of merking Iranian"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "agents inside Iraq, saying, quote, \"Our"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "goal is to change the dynamic with the"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "Iranians, to change the way the Iranians"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "perceive us and perceive themselves."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "They need to understand that they cannot"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "be a party to endangering US soldiers"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "lives and American interests as they"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "have before that is going to end."}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "According to the intel, Iranian officers"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "were on the ground directly training,"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "financing, arming, and supplying hostile"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "militias in Iraq. They were responsible"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "for killing scores of American troops."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "So the following months, the US military"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "established Task Force 17. TF7 team"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "brought together operators from Delta"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Force SEALS and Rangers to track down"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "Iranian military and intelligence"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "officers from the Cuds force. These are"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "the guys that were in Iraq to support"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "hostile military groups. US intelligence"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "estimated there were around 150 Iranian"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "operatives in Iraq at any given time."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Many of them from the Cuds Force, which"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "is a branch of the Iranian military that"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "specializes in unconventional warfare"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "tactics. This is actually something I"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "saw firsthand and saw firsthand evidence"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "of when we were in Iraq. I saw dudes get"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "rolled up and arrested who were backed"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "by Iranian money and training and had a"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "ton of links to Iran. The US government"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "pushed forward with the counter Iranian"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "strategy, stating that it wasn't an"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "escalation at all, but merely"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "self-defense. Secretly, the strategy"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "unleashed US intelligence operatives"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "against Iranian assets and agents in the"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "conflict zone. Others in the"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "intelligence community and State"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "Department weren't so sure that the"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "escalation was a good idea. Iraq and the"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "US presence in the Middle East were"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "still in a too fragile of a state to go"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "picking fights with Iran. And US"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "officials speaking anonymously said,"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "quote, \"This has little to do with Iraq."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "It's about pushing Iran's buttons.\" For"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "the next few years, Task Force 17"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "apprehended multiple Iranian agents in"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Iraq, but they were only able to hold"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "them for a day or two before political"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "tensions with the Iraqi government"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "forced them to be released. An Army"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Ranger who served as part of Task Force"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "17 describes the larger forces at play"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "that constantly foiled their attempts,"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "saying, quote, \"TF-17 was very"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "political. There were a lot of times"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "when we detained a senior level Cuds"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "operative who had a diplomatic passport."}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "We'd get called and Malaki would shut"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "down J-AC for a day and say, \"Until he's"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "in my compound, all JC operations are"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "closed, not just TF7, all.\" And"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "obviously, General Mcristel would get"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "pissed. And then I would have to drive"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "some [\u00a0__\u00a0] to the green zone and he'd"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "get released for the day. End quote. To"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "get around these political roadblocks,"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "Joint Special Operations Command brought"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "out the quote unquote Xbox. Besides"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "being one of the greatest gaming"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "consoles of all time, the Xbox was the"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "name given to a creation made by Delta"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "Force and Seal Tame 6. It was designed"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "to look exactly like your typical"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "run-of-the-mill Insurgent bomb, but the"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "idea was to make them a completely"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "deniable weapon. A senior officer from"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "the unit spoke anonymously about it,"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "saying, quote, \"You've got authority for"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "military force against one byame guy."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "You got to get positive ID and positive"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "detonation in a place where you're not"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "going to get collateral damage. For"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "instance, smoke the guy while he's"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "driving his Helux pickup in an area that"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "there's no US or coalition presence.\""}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "Wow, guys, that is some cold ass. A"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "typical operation involved one of Jay-"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "Sock's most experienced reconnaissance"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "operators surveilling a target for days"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "to learn patterns and routines. And once"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "the operator found an opening, they'd"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "plant the Xbox on the target's car or"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "somewhere else that they were likely to"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "be alone and wait for the right moment"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "to trigger the explosive. The attack was"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "virtually untraceable. It made them"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "perfect for covertly taking out"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "sensitive targets, giving the insurgents"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "a taste of their own medicine. In an"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "interview with Canadian journalist and"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "national security author Shawn Naylor"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "and former Jay- Sox senior officer said"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "that the Xbox made its debut in other"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "hotspots around the world. Oh my"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "goodness, that's some scary right there."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "That's going to make me think that"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "whoever whenever there's a bomb going"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "off that it is involved in some way with"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "the US special forces. The Delta and"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "SEAL operators had even gone through the"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "trouble of replicating the telltale"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "recipe of the most notorious bomb makers"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "in the Middle East, given the bomb quote"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "unquote fake fingerprints that pointed"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "to particular insurgent suppliers. So"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "this way, even if the device didn't go"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "off and it made its way to an enemy"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "forensics lab, there wouldn't be any"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "sign of the bomb coming from American"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "special ops teams. But why all the focus"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "on the Middle East? Well, for starters,"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "it holds over 50% of the world's proven"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "oil reserves. It sits at the crossroads"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "of Europe, Asia, and Africa, making it a"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "vital corridor for global trade and"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "energy flow. There's something timeless"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "and beautiful about the region and its"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "culture. Between tribes roam the"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "landscape in much the same way they did"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "generations ago. All the major religions"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "trace their roots here, making the"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "region feel like the spiritual"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "crossroads of humanity as well. The"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "Middle East has unfortunately long been"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "marred in conflict. And one of the most"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "brutal stories of all these conflicts"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "comes to us from our next story that"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "takes us deep into the shadows of"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Afghanistan into a world of covert"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "hunts, secret prisons, and deniable"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "operations. Buried beneath the headlines"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "of the war was a CIA run program so"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "quiet that most soldiers never even"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "heard its name. Omega Teams. These were"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "elite hunter killer units with a"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "singular mission. Track down the world's"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "most wanted terrorists. International"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "borders didn't stop them and neither did"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "governments. After the fall of the"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "Taliban regime in 2001, the CIA did not"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "slow down. No, they pivoted. Their new"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "focus was al-Qaeda's leadership. And to"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "get them, they needed something that"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "looked nothing like a conventional unit."}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "So, they created a front, a unit called"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "the Afghan Combat Applications Group or"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "KAG. a name borrowed from Delta Force's"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "own to keep things buried. But this"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "wasn't Delta. These were Afghan militia"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "fighters trained in secret by CIA"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "paramilitary officers and special"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "forces. They were recruited from tribal"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "networks paid in cash, cut loose behind"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "enemy lines, and their headquarters, a"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "forgotten brick factory outside Kabul,"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "officially abandoned, unofficially"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "transformed into a CIA compound known"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "only as Eagle Base. from Eagle Base. The"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "agency ran black ops and something even"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "darker. A prison that didn't officially"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "exist. This wasn't a war for the"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "headlines. This was a quiet one. The one"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "fought in the dark. They employed these"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "local fighters who had something they"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "didn't. An intimate knowledge of the"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "ethnic and geographic makeup of"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "Afghanistan. These dudes could blend in"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "and track terrorists that had gone deep"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "underground and off the grid. They were"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "exploding in membership to over 300,"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "which was kind of getting out of hand."}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "It was going past what the US military"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "could comfortably have oversight on. No"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "one wants a rogue unit in Afghanistan."}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "So CIA paramilitary officers, they only"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "had a limited number of guys to watch"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "over this Afghan militia. So they called"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "in the help of SEAL team 6 and gave them"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "oversight into some of these units,"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "calling them subunits, subc"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "counterterrorism pursuit teams or CT"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "pts's. What was controversial and really"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "sort of ballsy was they went into"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "neighboring Pakistan to hunt enemy down."}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "Pakistan is considered a major non-NATO"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "ally of the United States, but tons of"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "wanted terrorists would slip across the"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "border into the loosely controlled"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "tribal regions of Pakistan. CIA officers"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "needed a way to deny the Taliban a"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "hiding spot, but at the same time not"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "antagonize the allied governments of"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "Pakistan. This is a problem that"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "militaries frequently run into where"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "they'll be fighting a war in one country"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "officially and then they will take"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "advantage and use another country as a"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "kind of safe spot. You can't touch me"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "here. However, the decision to keep this"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "unit secret was a risk. If Pakistan"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "found out that they were operating on"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "their soil, it would cause all kinds of"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "international problems. By 2005, the"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "quote unquote ultra teams were codified"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "into actual policy as the Omega program."}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "The overall program was so secretive"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "that the members of the elite Afghan"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "fighters didn't even know they were"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "operating under the command of the CIA."}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "The intercepted reports in 2020 showed"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "that the American officers attached to"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "the national strike units and told the"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "militia fighters, \"We work for the"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "Afghan government.\""}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "The overall force structure of the Omega"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "teams had about 150 Afghan militia and"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "around a dozen CIA and JC soldiers to"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "provide intelligence and specialized"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "combat skills. They were eight Omega"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "teams in total operating out of key"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "locations throughout Afghanistan. These"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "teams conducted capture or kill missions"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "against highv value targets. An"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "important reason for this is because the"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "CIA and special forces operate under"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "different legal authorities. SF guys are"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "often under Title 10, which has less"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "scrutiny and needs less justification."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "Meanwhile, the CIA operates under what's"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "called Title 50 authority, which is"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "deniable covert operations that the US"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "government will authorize but disavow"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "any knowledge of. This kind of"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "partnership of putting SF guys under"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "assignments on deniable Title 50"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "missions is known as a legal loophole"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "called sheep dipping, which sounds like"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "something you would do to a lady of the"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "night. But in the espionage community,"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "it allows active duty soldiers to work"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "as paramilitary contractors for the"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "intelligence agency. Essentially"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "combines the two legal authorities into"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "one big legal blank check. A senior"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "official within the Department of"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "Defense once commented anonymously, \"The"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "Omega contingent provided incredible"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "capability to the overall effort. It"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "made a really good program into a great"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "one.\" And we know that a large portion"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "of the prisoners that ended up at the"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "black sites like Guantanamo Bay and"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "other terrorism holding facilities were"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "nabbed by these Omega teams. It's"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "credited with providing the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "that led to the fatal drone strike"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "against Adam Gdan, who was an American"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "citizen who joined al-Qaeda sometime"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "back in the mid200s and became a crucial"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "part of the terrorist network's"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "propaganda. Investigative journalists"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "and human rights organizations have"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "called the Omega teams unregulated death"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "squads, operating with insufficient"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "oversight and enabling local warlords to"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "retaliate against whoever they wish with"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "the blessings of the CIA. According to a"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "report from the Intercept, the National"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "Strike Units of Afghani militia totaled"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "up to 7,000 members. During the hasty US"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "withdrawal from the country, the CIA"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "arranged priority evacuation flights and"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "asylum for these paramilitaries and"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "their families to avoid revenge from the"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "many enemies that they might have made"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "over the years and to prevent some"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "operational secrets from falling into"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "the hands of the Taliban. The story of"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "the Omega program doesn't fully end just"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "there, though. The CIA and J-AC liked"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "the program so much that they apparently"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "modeled similar teams after them in"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and many"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "other hotspots in the Middle East and"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "Africa. Exactly how many of these teams"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "are operating around the world at any"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "given time right now is something we may"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "never know. The CIA wasn't the only US"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "agency with a history of covert"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "operations in Afghanistan. You might be"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "surprised, as I was, to learn that the"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "American DEA agency, the Drug"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "Enforcement Agency, had tactical teams"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "pulling triggers overseas. This next"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "story is about the illicit substance"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "trade in the country of Afghanistan. An"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "estimated 90% of the world's heroin"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "supply comes from Afghanistan. The opium"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "trade accounted for around $4 billion"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "worth of income that year. Even though"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "the Taliban isn't down with it, al-Qaeda"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "certainly was. After 2001, the drug"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "trade became one of the top sources of"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "income for terrorist groups in the"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "region. In 2003, the US Drug Enforcement"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "Agency, the DEA, reopened their office"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "in Kabul, growing their assigned staff"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "to 97 by 2013. Yes, things were getting"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "freaking wacky now. The DEA had boots on"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "the ground in Afghanistan. Every"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "alphabet soup, three-letter agency"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "wanted a piece of this war. So DEA"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "agents wanted to apply their expertise"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "to help the Afghan government to train"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "them to kill the drug trade. At that"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "time the DEA also employed a little"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "known unit called the foreign deployed"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "advisory and support or fast team. It"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "was like their version of a foreign SWAT"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "team kind of. They were a paramilitary"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "unit in everything but name. These guys"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "were armed with M4s. They had night"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "vision, tactical gear, and the authority"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "to conduct kinetic raids or killer"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "capture missions alongside active"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "military special forces. Each DEA Fast"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "team had about 10 highly trained DEA"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "agents who are often former SF soldiers"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "themselves. Yes, things are getting even"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "weirder. We're now doing the war on"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "drugs and the war on terror combined."}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "Cutting al-Qaeda off from a major source"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "of financial backing while improving"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "stability were critical objectives for"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "the US mission. It's more bizarre than"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "it sounds. I promise you it gets even"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "weirder. From the partnership grew the"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "National Interdiction Unit, which was"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "basically the police SWAT team for the"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "Afghanis and numbered about 100 strong."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "They went undercover to infiltrate the"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "drug labs and smuggling networks of"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "Afghanistan and Pakistan. The unit was"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "immensely successful, but they kept a"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "low profile. They destroyed 25 drug labs"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "in 2009, plus they seized a total of"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "something like 25,000 kg of opium and a"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "ton of heroin. It was often heavily"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "armed terrorists guarding their drug"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "sources. But the DEA's FAST teams were"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "actually officially disbanded in March"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "2017 after they were involved in some"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "pretty bad incidents that you can look"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "up. It's a little off topic for this"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "video. They were the most controversial"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "special forces law enforcement unit"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "ever. I mean, the DEA still has agencies"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "and agents all around the world in"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "different countries like in Mexico, but"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "usually they're heavily restricted in"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "what they can do, if they can even carry"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "weapons. So, our next story takes us to"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "Syria in 2017 in the fight against ISIS."}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "It was the largest US aerosol behind"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "enemy lines during the entire war, and"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "it barely even made headlines. In"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "January 2017, US backed Syrian"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "Democratic Forces fought alongside Green"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "Berets from the fifth Special Forces"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "Group, and they were closing in on a key"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "ISIS stronghold, the strategic city of"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "Tabuk, just 40 km from Raqqa. At this"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "point, ISIS was on the run. They'd lost"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "ground in Iraq after the brutal battle"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "of Mosul. But in Syria, they still"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "controlled critical territory, including"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "the Tbach Dam. It's the largest dam in"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "the entire country. And it's just this"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "gigantic towering 18story tall building."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "But it could have been turned into a"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "devastating weapon because ISIS had"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "fortified the dam with hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "gunmen and they threatened to blow the"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "floodgates if they were attacked. This"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "wasn't an empty threat either. The"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "United Nations warned that if the dam"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "collapsed, dozens of villages downstream"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "could be flooded, displacing or killing"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "thousands of people. If the US called in"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "air strikes, they risk damaging the dam"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "and causing the same disaster. By March,"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "it was clear that a direct assault was"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "necessary. After weeks of probing"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "operations, including amphibious"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "reconnaissance missions across the"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "Euphrates by Green Beretss supported by"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "satellite and drone intelligence, the US"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "backed forces launched a daring air"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "assault on March 22nd, 2017. It was"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "intense to say the least. Dozens of"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "Osprey fied over 500 US special"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "operators and a thousand SDF fighters"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "across Lake Assad and the Euphrates"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "River in a deep flanking maneuver. They"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "struck ISIS from the south behind enemy"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "lines in what was described as a shock"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "and awe air assault designed to prevent"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "the enemy from sabotaging the dam. This"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "was a crazy solution to the dam problem."}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "As soon as the American special forces"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "and SDF teams were on the ground on the"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "other side of the dam, US Marines fired"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "M7 howitzers, pounding ISIS positions"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "from miles away with 155 shells. Apache"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "gunships and air strikes provided"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "overhead cover while Green Berets moved"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "in on foot alongside SDF allies. This"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "operation cut off a major ISIS supply"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "route, that highway that links Aleppo to"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "Deier Azor, and it began breaking ISIS"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "defense from within. But ISIS wasn't"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "finished yet. After 2 days of fighting,"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "they still were dug in. Then something"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "terrifying happened. The Tbach dam"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "became inoperable. ISIS blamed US air"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "strikes, and they weren't entirely wrong"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "either. The US had dropped three 2,000lb"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "bombs on enemy positions at the dam. one"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "of which failed to detonate. The damage"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "jammed the floodgates and there was a"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "tentative ceasefire that was called"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "while US engineers rushed in to assess"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "the structure and to conduct emergency"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "repairs, all under the threat of ambush"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "and collapse. While the ceasefire held,"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "ISIS used this lull to sneak in 900"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "reinforcements on March 28th. The fight"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "wasn't over. The final push came on May"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "10th when US special forces and SDF's"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "troops launched a clearing operation to"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "root out the last defenders. So, US Air"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "Force Colonel John Dorian put it"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "bluntly. Tobac is a extremely dangerous"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "battle zone. The Syrian Democratic"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "Forces are facing ISIS snipers using"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "apartment buildings, hospitals, and"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "mosques to hide in dense urban terrain."}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "They barricaded themselves inside the"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "dam's control room using tunnels. They"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "had no food, water, or communications"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "that were entirely jammed. So eventually"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "they surrendered or fled. The dam was"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "secured and the road to Raqqa was now"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "open. Colonel Joseph Sakaria later"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "explained, \"This is the first time we've"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "conducted an air assault with the Syrian"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "Democratic Forces. We believe there are"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "foreign fighters in there, probably in"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "the hundreds, and they're facing a heavy"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "fight. And that's what makes this"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "operation so daring. I think we're lucky"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "to catch ISIS by surprise.\" The SDF"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "deserve huge credit for this mission. I"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "didn't focus on them because this is"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "about US black ops, but they led the"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "frontline fight and held the ground."}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "Moving over to Iraq for our next story."}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "The CIA was heavily involved in the"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "first Gulf War back when the United"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "States, like usual, was trying to depose"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. But they"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "didn't want to use the messy, overt"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "military force to do it. Operation"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "Desert Storm hadn't gone as far as"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "regime change in Iraq, but the CIA was"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "still instructed to find ways to exploit"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "secretarian tensions within the country"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "to weaken or topple Hussein's rule. In"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "1992, the agency found the perfect guy,"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "Alwali, who was an Iraqi politician that"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "was living in exile in the United"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "Kingdom. Awali had a ton of people who"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "were sympathetic to him within Saddam's"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "military back home in Iraq. So the CIA"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "recruited Awali and gained an entire"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "network of covert assets in Iraq. Awali"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "formed the Iraqi National Accord and now"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "had full CIA backing. Awali's INA"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "started an insurgent campaign of their"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "own against Saddam. These guys planted"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "car bombs and sabotaged government"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "facilities. Their goal was to"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "destabilize the regime. CIA agents"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "helped the INA smuggle in explosives"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "from northern Iraq into Baghdad. They"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "then gathered intelligence that both the"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "United States and Awali could use"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "against Saddam. The INA channeled"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "intelligence about Iraq's chemical and"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "biological weapons program, including a"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "claim passed to the British spy agency"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "MI6 at Saddam could deploy weapons of"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "mass destruction within 45 minutes. But"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "at the time, it appeared like America"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "was cultivating a promising network of"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "spies and revolutionaries that could"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "strike at the heart of Baghdad. The CIA"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "didn't have the means within Iraq to"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "verify how effective the INA bombing"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "campaign was at damaging Saddam's rule."}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "But by 1996, Awali and the CIA were"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "ready for a fullon balls to the wall"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "coup. The operation was cenamed"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "Achilles. The CIA station chief in"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "neighboring Jordan requested air support"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "from the United States to back the INA"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "coup and the military defectors that"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "would move against Saddam. But the US"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "air support never came. The CIA station"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "chief resigned in protest and the coup"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "attempt failed pretty hard. Saddam and"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "his own agents working behind the"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "scenes, had his network infiltrate the"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "INA. So he had 200 military officers"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "arrested and 80 were executed for ties"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "to the coup plot. Awali himself would"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "actually assume political leadership of"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "Iraq as the prime minister of the"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "interim government after the"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "overthrowing of Saddam. and then he was"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "elected as the vice president of Iraq in"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "2014 and 2016. So, holy crap, that is"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "some serious lore to the Iraqi war. This"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "next story also has to do with Iran."}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "Operation Merlin was a plot by the CIA"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "to set Iranian nuclear scientists down a"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "false lead. The plan was first drawn up"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "in the early 1990s under the Clinton"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "administration, but was actually"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "launched in February of 2000 under the"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "George W. Bush presidency. The mission"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "involved a Russian nuclear scientist"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "who'd been defected to the US years"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "earlier and was now on the CIA's"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "payroll. The Russian scientist was given"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "blueprints for the TBA480 high voltage"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "block, which is commonly known as a"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "firing set in the nuke world. The device"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "controlled the detonation sequence for"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "the explosive blocks that would force a"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "plutonium core to implode. and the CIA"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "believed that it was one of the main"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "gizmos that Iranian engineers hadn't"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "figured out yet to make a functional"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "warhead. The Russian scientist was"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "immediately suspicious, though. Why"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "would the US willingly give away the"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "blueprints for such a device to one of"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "their main adversaries? When he looked"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "at the plans, he could tell right away"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "that the plans were fake and that the"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "device wouldn't work. When he told the"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "CIA handler that the blueprints were"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "flawed and that Iranian engineers would"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "pick up on it almost immediately and as"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "quickly as he had, his handler told him"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "everything had been accounted for and to"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "simply go ahead with the operation."}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "Unconvinced, but not willing to disobey"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "direct orders, the Russian scientists"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "traveled to a scientific conference in"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "Vienna, where Iranian nuclear scientists"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "would also be in attendance. Worried"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "that the blueprints were so obviously"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "flawed that his cover would be blown as"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "soon as he handed the plans over to the"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "Iranian scientists, the Russians slipped"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "a note into the envelope warning them"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "that the blueprints were imperfect, but"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "that he could fix them if they wanted."}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "The Iranians would get the fake plans"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "that the CIA wanted delivered, and his"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "cover story of a greedy yet unemployed"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "Russian scientist looking for the"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "highest bidder would still be intact."}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "The plan worked sort of. The Russian"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "delivered the envelope to the Iranian"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "delegation and the national security"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "agency reported just days later that one"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "of the Iranian officials had changed his"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "entire schedule and booked an immediate"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "flight back to Tyrron. Seemed like the"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "Iranians had taken the bait. But in the"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "coming years, there were no reports of"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "Iran's nuclear program rushing to build"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "the design only to fizzle out during"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "testing. What the CIA had apparently"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "failed to account for was that Iran"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "already had a large body of knowledge"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "thanks to the information fed to them"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "from Pakistani nuclear scientists years"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "earlier along with their own work. The"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "CIA had underestimated the talent of"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "Iran's nuclear engineers and the whole"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "plan may have backfired actually"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "advancing Iran's nuclear program instead"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "of derailing it. Under this theory,"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "Iran's engineers quickly identified the"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "flaw in the plans, even without the"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "Russian scientist letter, then compared"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "the blueprints to similar designs they"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "already knew would work, filling in gaps"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "in their knowledge without having to go"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "through lengthy prototyping and testing"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "phases. Exactly what happened once the"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "plan made it to Tyrron still hasn't been"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "declassified. But the whole debacle was"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "such a scandal within the CIA that"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling went"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "public with the details speaking to both"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "the Senate Intelligence Committee as a"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "whistleblower and to the New York Times"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "reporter James Ryzen as a anonymous"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "source. But Sterling's communication"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "with Risen were intercepted by the"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "federal government and the former CIA"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "officer was arrested on January 6, 2011"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "and charged with mishandling classified"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "information under the Espionage Act."}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "Operating far behind enemy lines in"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "their mountainous north, a joint force"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "of CIA paramilitary officers, special"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "forces, and thousands of Kurdish"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "fighters, quietly laid the groundwork"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "for one of the most strategic and"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "overlooked campaigns of the war. The"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "Kurds, which an ethnic group spread"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "across Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey,"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "have long dreamed of an independent"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "homeland. But their struggle has often"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "been met with brutal repression. Under"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "Saddam Hussein, this meant chemical"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "warfare where they were gassed and in"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "1988 they killed 5,000 of them. These"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "guys obviously hated Saddam and were"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "eager to help the United States"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "overthrow Saddam's dictatorship in 2003."}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "Turkey, a NATO member and a key staging"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "ally in the Middle East, even"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "characterizes this group as terrorists."}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "So any US involvement with the Persa had"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "to be kept under wraps until at least"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "the situation in Iraq was under control."}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "In the weeks leading up to the launch of"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "the operation Iraqi Freedom, small teams"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "of CIA paramilitary officers along with"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "special forces inserted into northern"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "Iraq and linked up with the Kurdish"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "fighters there. The CIA and SF teams"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "gathered intel for the coming ground"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "operation and they had trained with the"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "Kurds. Despite their common enemy, the"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "Kurdish forces were split by a bitter"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "rivalry between the KDP and the PUK"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "factions. This meant that the CIA"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "officers not only had to survive for"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "months behind enemy lines, but also act"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "as a kind of mediator between the"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "Pentagon, the rival Kurdish factions all"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "at once. They were the world's most"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "deadly peer mediators ever, they moved"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "unseen through the rugged terrain of"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "northern Iraq. Assessing the enemy"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "forces and paving the way for Task Force"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "Viking, which was the responsible force"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "for invading from the north. Their job"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "was to prevent Iraqi forces from"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "reinforcing Baghdad or joining the main"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "fight to the south. When the invasion"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "kicked off, the Iraqi army had no idea"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "they were already covert American troops"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "in their midst. They struck the Iraqi"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "units without warning from multiple"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "directions as soon as the invasion"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "kicked off in 2003. This left them"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "vulnerable when the rest of task force"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "Vikings swept through the country. But"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "the job wasn't easy. During the battle"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "of Debraa Pass, the US and the Peshmerga"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "forces met stiff resistance from the"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "Iraqi defenders had counterattacked with"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "tanks and mechanized troops. They"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "deployed T-55s and anti-aircraft guns"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "that were more than capable of shredding"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "infantry in the open. The American"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "operators were without armor. So the US"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "Peshmerga contingent had to work"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "together to defeat the Iraqi"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "counterattack. The Peshmerga assaulted"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "Iraqi bunkers and mortar positions while"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "the US soldiers fired Javelin guided"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "missiles and called in precision air"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "strikes. But the first air strike missed"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "and hit friendly forces. The thousand"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "pound GBU16"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "almost ended the battle right there. It"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "killed 18 Peshmerga fighters and wounded"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "another 45 along with four US Green"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "Berets. The other special forces teams"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "broke off from their advance and pushed"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "to the scene of the friendly fire"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "incident to provide medical aid to the"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "wounded, both American and Kurdish"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "alike. One of the Iraqi T-55 tanks tried"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "to press the advantage and drove forward"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "amidst the chaos, but it caught a"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "Javelin missile straight to the teeth"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "from one of the Green Berets covering"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "the area. Two F18s arrived on scene to"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "finish off the remaining Iraqi tanks"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "with bombing runs. The enemy forces were"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "suppressed and the Americans and the"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "Kurds pushed forward together, securing"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "the crossroads against all odds. While"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "the Green Berets and Peshmerga did most"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "of the fighting, sources say there were"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "at least two military intelligence"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "operators present during the battle. The"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "world of US Black Ops in the Middle East"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "is a shadow realm filled with guys who"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "don't technically exist, working in"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "units that aren't on paper. These"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "operations weren't just battles. They"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "were experiments in a new kind of"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "warfare that blurred the line between"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "tinker, sailor, soldier, spy, and"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "contractor. But now after trillions of"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "dollars, tens of thousands of lives, and"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "an entire region reshaped, the question"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "isn't just what happened in the shadows,"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "but why did that just happen? I'm your"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "average infoterman, Chris Cappy. Go to"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "www.cappyarmmy.com cappy army.com for"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "full show notes and sources and links to"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "exclusive edition."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Within the Central Intelligence Agency,"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "there's a shadow paramilitary group that"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "carries out missions so classified, the"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "US government denies any and all"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "involvement. Some believe that these"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "guys are a necessary check against those"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "who wish to do us harm, while others say"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "they're an unaccountable arm of the US"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "government run a muck. Even though many"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "of their missions will remain buried"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "forever, a few have leaked through the"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "cracks in the form of declassified files"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "and whistleblowers. They've uncovered"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "everything from secret drone killings to"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "interrogation programs. So today we're"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "going to do an iceberg style video where"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "we start with the most crazy and end"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "with the most absolute bat insane CIA"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "paramilitary missions ever executed."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "There are no secrets that time does not"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "reveal. The first operation comes to us"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "from Syria. This mission was the single"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "largest CIA covert weapons and training"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "program of the entire 21st century. at"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "least so far. In 2012, Simon Chase,"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "who's a former British special forces"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "operator, was hired to help on this"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "particular mission. The way the mission"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "started was Chase had been trying to"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "build a normal life while he was back"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "home in between contracting gigs in Iraq"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "and Afghanistan. He was living near the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "beach with his family in California"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "attempting the whole clean civilian life"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "thing. When he checked his phone,"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "though, and saw that Michael S. had"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "called, he knew the drill. Chase drove"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "to a nearby Radio Shack that he' never"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "been to before. He bought a burner phone"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "with cash and called Michael back."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "Michael, Simon, what's up? I've got some"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "friends in the Middle East who need"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "advice. Can you help? He knew what that"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "meant. Chase pulled out the SIM card of"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "the burer phone, snapped them both in"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "half, and threw them out. He jumped on"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "the next flight to the East Coast to"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "meet Michael in DC the next morning at"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "the Hayes Adam Hotel, which is just a"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "few hundred feet away from the White"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "House. To find out more about how this"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "kind of covert mission actually works, I"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "spoke with former CIA paramilitary"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "officer and former United States Deputy"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Assistant Secretary of Defense for the"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "Middle East, Mick Mulroy, which doesn't"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "mean it's always what you think of, you"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "know, totally kitted up and, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "working out of a jock. And it could be"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "very civilian looking. So, they have to"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "have the ability, not just in"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "appearance, but also in the way they"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "talk and stuff to to not always give out"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "the air of somebody's in the military."}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "You have to be able to be comfortable"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "walking into a diplomatic cocktail party"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "in Paris as you would be leading a raid"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "to capture somebody in in Somalia. This"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "is exactly the kind of covert mission"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "that Simon Chase claimed to be assigned"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "to. And the hotel he was meeting his"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "point of contact at would be one of the"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "first steps. This isn't some random"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "Marriott. The Hayes Adams has a long"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "history as a CIA hangout. It's where"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "numerous coups and covert actions have"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "been plotted in the past. There, Michael"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "introduced Chase to Anthony, who was a"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "former US official, the type of guy who"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "lives in airports and speaks three"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "different languages. Here's where it"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "gets crazy, though. And speaking of"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "precision strikes, when life hits you"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "unexpectedly, you need someone who"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "fights back just as hard. If you ever"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "had someone in your family who can't"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "drive and gets you into car accidents"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "willy-nilly, or you've been hit with a"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "folding chair during birthday party"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "barbecues gone wrong, then you know"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "injuries happen. If you ever get"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "seriously hurt, your injury could be"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "worth millions of bucks. And that's"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "where this episode sponsor Morgan and"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "Morgan comes in. Here, allow me to sing"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "it to you in a catchy tune. They're"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "Americ"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "1,000 lawyers across all 50 states."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "These guys don't mess around. They've"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "gotten $26 million for a car crash"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "victim in Philly and $12 million in"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "Florida. 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Now,"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "back to the show."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "Anthony explained that he was doing work"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "for a US State Department registered"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "charity called the Syrian Support Group,"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "which had raised $600 million from"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "wealthy Qatari, Saudi, and Syrian"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "businessmen. And he claimed that they"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "were trying to help Syrian families"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "displaced by the civil war, but the"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "State Department couldn't officially be"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "involved. And here's where Chase came"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "in. Chase called him out saying he"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "wasn't buying that for a second. Why"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "wouldn't they be able to help a charity"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "out? Anthony got to the point and said"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "the US government doesn't want to be"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "openly involved at this point and that"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "his mission was to assess what the Free"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "Syrian Army rebels needed in terms of"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "operational support, equipment, and"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "training. Translation: Go to Syria, meet"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "the rebels, figure out what weapons they"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "need, and do it off the books. Title 50"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "is for the Central Intelligence Agency."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "So, Title 50 specifically gives the"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "organization the ability of complete"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "deniability. Covert means they could"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "flat out ask the White House, did you do"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "this operation? And they can say, \"No, I"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "don't know what you're talking about.\""}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "But it comes with risks, right? So, if"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "you're not with the US government and"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "something's compromised, you're not with"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "the US government. So the diplomatic"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "protections that come with being"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "identified with the US government aren't"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "there. You come, you're basically a"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "different status as somebody who at"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "least appears to be doing things on"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "their own. Chase went with a trusted"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "former buddy from the SAS, code named"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Rabo. They were driven to a private"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "airfield and loaded onto an old Russian"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "prop plane that flew them into Syria"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "under the cover of night. 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So they held"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "out pockets of territory throughout the"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "country, this resistant force,"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "especially in the west, which is where"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "they landed on a rough dirt air strip"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "near Aleppo. And they got received by a"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "man in his 60s named General Sabir. He"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "was a defected Syrian officer now"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "commanding a faction at the FSA, the"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Free Syrian Army. They were in poor"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "shape. They had some Toyotas, some 50"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "cals, and basically some untrained dudes"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "with rifles. And that was essentially"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "it. Chase watched in horror as the Free"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "Syrian Army fighters tried to clear"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "unexloded cluster bombs that Assad had"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "fired at civilians with shovels. He saw"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "how Assad's bombing killed innocent"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "young civilians. And they were scured"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "away at that point into a concrete"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "structure where they hurried down a"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "staircase into a makeshift hospital"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "where several doctors were working in"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "terrible conditions with primitive and"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "unsterilized equipment performing"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "amputations with a carpenters saw under"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "the light of a single dim light bulb"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "powered by a diesel generator. They left"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "at that point, but the guys went back to"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "Washington DC. They told them how bad it"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "was there. And then the officials in DC"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "said that they needed hard evidence of"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "genocide and atrocities in order for the"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "United States to get involved. That's"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "part of what factf finding missions do"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "is they develop the evidence necessary"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "for that presidential factf finding"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "authorization that then authorizes a"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "title 50 mission. I mean the primary job"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "of course for the CIA is to collect"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "information intelligence, right? So, uh,"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "clandestinely"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "that informs the products that they"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "produce for policy makers to then make"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "decisions. We need to make decisions"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "based on facts of what the adversary"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "intends to do. We need to know how"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "they're thinking and what they're"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "thinking because that's going to be how"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "we direct our assets. It's important"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "because deniability is really important."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "It's just part of the national security"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "kind of arsenal. So, they had whiplash."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "They had to go back to Syria where they"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "continued pressing forward deeper into"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "the city. Chase and his buddy Robo took"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "controlled well- aimed shots. They took"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "pairs of single fired 5.56 rounds and"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "762 shots at multiple Syrian government"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "soldiers. They were able to hold them"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "off and organize a resistance group to"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "help them push deeper and deeper in. It"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "was just the two of them. They were"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "getting into firefights and they needed"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "to find proof of chemical weapons"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "attacks. And what they saw was a"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "horrific scene. The same scene that they"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "were looking for. Chase said, quote, \"We"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "were on our bellies near the lip of the"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "trench trying to forget the bodies"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "beneath us. And the bodies beneath them"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "were that they were taking cover from"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "were incoming small arms hits that were"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "impacting around them. And the corpses"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "under them were dead civilians that had"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "died from Assad's chemical weapon"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "attack.\" They took out their own"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "pictures at that point and he got a bag"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "filled with the toxic white powder of"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "the chemical weapons. With evidence in"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "hand of the chemical weapon attack,"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "Chase flew back to Washington DC and the"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "mission was green lit. It was no longer"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "about reconnaissance. It was about"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "procurement. The objective now was to"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "find and purchase a massive arsenal of"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "non United States traceable weaponry to"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "arm the Free Syrian Army. Official"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "estimates are that the CIA arms program"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "was about $1.5 billion dollars over"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "several years. The money went through"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "regional partners, primarily Jordan,"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, that all"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "agreed to work on this CIA operation to"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "supply weapons, ammo, tactical training,"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "and groundtoround assistance. CIA"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "paramilitary officers worked closely"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "with allied intelligence services and"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "military special operations from all"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "these countries. These operatives built"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "and managed a secret training base"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "inside Jordan and southern Turkey where"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "they vetted Syrian rebels and gave them"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "marksmanship training, communications,"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "and medical training as well as small"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "unit tactics. The training emphasized"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "guerrilla warfare, but largely it was"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "about anti-tank and anti-aircraft"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "weapons. And this is kind of the bread"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "and butter of foreign intelligence"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "services around the world. A lot of them"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "do this kind of covert missions where"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "they run weapon systems to rebel groups."}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "There are missions too sensitive for"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "official special forces, Delta or the"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "SEALs. These are called zero footprint"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "operations that are handed to men who on"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "paper don't exist. These are contractors"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "and they do their job and their job is"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "to do the deniable downright dirty work"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "of governments that can't officially be"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "there. They had tow missiles and stinger"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "missiles that were designed to level the"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "battlefield against Assad's way"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "overpowered armored columns and air"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "power. We know this is a CIA operation"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "that actually was conducted at the time"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "called Operation Timber Sycamore. You"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "may not have ever heard about it. Chase"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "set up a pipeline of untraceable AK-47s"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "and heavy weapons from an Iraqi in"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Kurdistan. So sometimes there's this"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "erroneous belief that, you know, the CIA"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "is a rogue elephant is what they called"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "this in the 70s. Um that's just not the"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "case. It's approved by the uh president."}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "and it goes through all the legal hacks"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "to make sure it's legal and then the"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "agency carries it out and the uh Senate"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "Select Committee on Intelligence and the"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "House Select Committee on Intelligence"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "um oversee it. So, we have to go explain"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "what we did. So, but that's it gives the"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "uh the agency authority to be deniable"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "uh completely legally deniable. I want"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "to be clear, Mick is neither confirming"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "nor denying any of these stories. He's"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "merely providing us with context and"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "information on how to understand key"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "concepts around how the agency actually"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "works. And I know a lot of you are going"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "to say that Mick is my handler, but that"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "is not true. That's actually Carl. Chase"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "claims that he helped set up a covert"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "weapons pipeline disguised as a security"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "firm using political connections through"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "his fixer, Asso Anoir. Fixers are very"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "important when you're on the ground in a"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "foreign country. They know everything"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "from the language to how things operate"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "there and who you need to know to get"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "what done. That was the son of the"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "region's top intelligence official. So"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "they could bypass red tape though."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "That's who their fixer was. So Rachel"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "Marsden was a columnist in the Baltimore"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "Sun and she suggested that Timber"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "Sycamore, the CIA op, involved the"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "arming and funding of independent"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "military contractors by the Saudi"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "intelligence along with the CIA's"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "training of pro-American militias inside"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "Syria. She believed it was aimed at"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "overthrowing the Assad government and"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "installing a new Syrian government that"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "was friendly to the United States and"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "Saudi Arabia's interests. By spring"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "2012, Chase's weapon pipeline that he"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "opened up was booming. It was going from"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "Benghazi in Libya to Urbil in Iraq to"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "then the Syrian rebels. It was running"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "at full speed with hundreds of arms"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "flowing weekly and they were having"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "early battlefield success keeping"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "Assad's forces at bay. But as you might"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "know, Benghazi became a chaotic hot"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "spot. CIA state contractors operated"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "side by side without coordination. And"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "despite warning signs, DC demanded"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "heavier and heavier weapons to help get"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "to the Syrian fighters. In April 2014,"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "Seymour Hirs, yes, the same Seymour Hirs"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "who blew up the CIA spot back in the"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "1970s, he wrote an essay published in"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "the London Review of Books, which"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "describes an anonymous former senior US"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "intelligence official claiming that the"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "US diplomatic outpost in Libya's"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "Benghazi, had no real political role,"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "and existed basically just to provide a"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "cover for a secret CIA arms pipeline"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "that was supporting the Syrian rebels in"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "early 2012. According to Hersh's source,"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "it was called the Rat Line, and it was a"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "means of channeling all that military"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "weaponry from Gaddafi's arsenal into"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "Syrian rebels hands. At its height,"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "15,000 Syrian fighters were believed to"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "be armed from multiple factions. The CIA"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "involvement extended beyond just"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "training to direct logistical support,"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "arranging weapon shipments, securing"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "safe routes for rebel movements, and"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "coordinating intelligence sharing to"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "target regime units. Some CIA operatives"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "also even participated in frontline"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "reconnaissance, battlefield assessments,"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "and they provided realtime intel to"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "commanders in Washington DC. And some"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "say they were even involved with on the"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "ground fighting. There is, in my"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "estimation, no letup in the threats that"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "are waged against the United States. We"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "are, like it or not, I like it, um, the"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "leader of the free world. We're the"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "longest continuous democracy and I think"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "there's responsibility with that. People"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "look to us to lead and that's what makes"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "America what America is. And there's"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "also a surge in autocracies. uh the"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "there is a sizable portion of the world"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "lives under some form"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "uh of a totalitarian system. They don't"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "play by the same rules, right? So we uh"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "yes, the CIA is very capable, but no,"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "the CIA doesn't do whatever it wants. It"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "has specific rules that are put on them."}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "It has oversight committees in the House"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "and the Senate who um who ultimately are"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "the one that funds it, so they have"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "authority. We're not. But that that's"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "not the case with uh the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "services in China and Russia uh or or in"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "Iran or North Korea or or a lot of other"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "countries that uh quite frankly um do"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "what they want when they want and often"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "times don't even care that people know."}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "I always find it interesting how these"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "operations are exposed or leaked. Timber"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "Sycamore was exposed publicly by"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "journalism and a mix of US officials"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "leaking it. US weapons were clearly also"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "showing up in Syria and captured rebels"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "were talking about being trained by"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "Americans. It very well could have"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "deliberately been leaked, which is often"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "done purposefully. These leaks are known"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "as a tactic in DC that's used to sway"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "policy. In this case, the leaks may have"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "been intended to justify or accelerate"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "the program's termination because in"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "2017, it was shut down. And even before"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "that, once the Benghazi attacks happened"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "in 2012, it forced the CIA to relocate"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "and tighten their operations, especially"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "in Libya, cutting off that pipeline."}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "Timber Sycamore did continue, but it was"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "reduced and then ultimately eliminated."}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "It had mixed results. Many weapons ended"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "up in the hands of jihadists, including"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "ISIS affiliates. But it helped the"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "rebels hold on in those early years. And"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "a decade later, those same rebels would"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "finally become successful and topple"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "Assad and are now in control of Syria."}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "This comes to us from a book called Zero"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "Footprint that claims to be non-fiction."}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "Although there is stuff in there that's"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "always murky and designed to give"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "plausible deniability. Even if 50% of"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "it's true, it's totally not. Three can"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "keep a secret if two of them are dead."}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "In case you're interested, Patrick Baker"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "and I just launched our new podcast"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "called Simple Sabotage. It's all about"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "talking about current events and defense"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "news in a fun and entertaining way. If"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "you want to check it out, link is in the"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "description. Our next unhinged CIA"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "paramilitary op comes to us from"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "Afghanistan in 2001 when the CIA asked"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "for something very specific, a Predator"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "drone armed with a Hellfire missile."}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "We've seen how drones have recently"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "upended modern warfare in Iran and"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "Russia, attacking from within, deep"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "within their soil. But let's see how it"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "all started. How did drone operations"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "start with the CIA? Wait, that wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "CIA op too, was it? Over there in"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "Ukraine and Russia and Iran. Right."}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "Right guys, the CIA asked for the armed"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "predator drone because they wanted to"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "kill Osama bin Laden without having to"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "get too much clearance. According to the"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "nation, the CIA launched its first"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "purely covert armed predator strike on"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "February 4th, 2002 in eastern"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "Afghanistan. The Hellfire missile was"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "fired at a group of three, including a"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "tall man with robes who they believed"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "was Osama bin Laden himself. Local"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "witnesses later claimed it was actually"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "a group of civilians collecting scrap"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "metal. CIA paramilitary officers are the"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "ones in charge of gathering target"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "information for drone strikes in Yemen,"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "Iraq, and Pakistan. It's often"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "intelligence operatives doing the work"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "on the ground, not because necessarily"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "they have capabilities that special"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "forces do not, but largely because they"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "have zero footprint. They go where"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "conventional or even special forces"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "aren't allowed legally. largely because"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "they have that nifty title 50 that gives"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "them the plausible deniability that"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "other elite units do not have and could"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "work in countries that are not declared"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "a war zone officially. This is part of"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "the reason why there's a ton of lawyers"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "at the agency writing these"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "authorizations up. During the Bush White"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "House, they authorized 52 drone strikes"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "outside the war theaters during the"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "8-year term of his administration. These"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "were officially called small footprint"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "operations by the US military according"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "to since widely leaked documents called"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "the drone papers. Well, it's it's more"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "like drone PowerPoint slides, which"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "gives us a whole new meaning of death by"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "PowerPoint because these detail how CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "operators on the ground coordinated with"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "drones overhead to achieve a 75% kill or"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "capture rate by working with partner"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "forces on the ground as well to"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "interdict terrorists inside Somalia and"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "Yemen. And they coordinated these"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "programs over the course of sometimes 6"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "months to a year. This PowerPoint says,"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "the PowerPoint reveals how the United"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "States quietly built up a network of"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "small footprint quote unquote drone"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "bases across Somalia, Yemen, and the"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "whole horn of Africa, not only to fly"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "surveillance, but to shorten their"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "flight sorty distances and maintain"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "persistent kill coverage. President"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "Obama's administration decided to no"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "longer conduct any of the enhanced"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "interrogations or torture on the one"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "hand, but on the other hand, they"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "increased targeted drone strikes by a"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "metric ton. During those 8 years, it was"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "10 times higher with over 500 drone"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "strikes that killed more than 3,700"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "people. These hits came from a kill or"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "capture list and the government hit list"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "for terrorists. Basically, it was their"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "official government knockoff list."}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "Officials held what were called terror"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "Tuesday meetings where Obama would"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "personally approve names for execution."}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "That makes the Taco Tuesdays that we"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "have at this company here seem pretty"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "freaking lame. There are a string of"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "success stories in 2006 from these"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "operations that explain why they double"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "down on them so much. A CIA drone strike"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "in Pakistan killed Abu Al- Masari, who"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "was an al-Qaeda top bomb maker. Up next"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "was Measud who was responsible for"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "orchestrating dozens of kamicazi"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "bombings in Pakistan that killed"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "civilians and US soldiers in Afghanistan"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "as well. He was linked to assassination"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "of a former prime minister in Pakistan."}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "Dude was a bad guy who needed to get"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "smoked. On August 5th, 2009, officials"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "at the Central Intelligence Agency"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "inside Langley, Virginia, were able to"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "watch a crisp, highquality video of him"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "sitting on his rooftop just chilling at"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "his father-in-law's house. The agency"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "launched two Hellfire missiles at him"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "and poof, all that was left was his"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "upper half of his body afterwards, just"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "his torso. But the strike also killed"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "his wife and father-in-law. There's a"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "misconception that because drones are"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "operated from two miles up in the sky,"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "sometimes thousands of miles away"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "remotely, that there aren't spies on the"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "ground walking them in on target. For"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "most drone strikes, there was a CIA"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "ground branch asset working alongside"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "them, gathering intel and creating a"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "target package. They collected intel"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "from a host of different sources, from"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "human to cell phone metadata. And if the"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "phone was in the wrong hands at the"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "wrong time, whoops. But by 2011, America"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "was going buck wild with their drone"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "strikes. UAVs helped track and kill"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "Anoir alawaki. He was a US-born cleric"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "turned terrorist in Yemen. But keep that"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "in mind. He was US-born. But he did"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "inspire multiple terror plots against"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "the West. No charges though, no trial."}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "He was just poof, gone, deleted by a"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "drone strike. This started to raise some"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "deep uncomfortable questions about"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "constitutional concerns about due"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "process. Critics said that it set a"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "dangerous precedent that basically gave"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "the government unilateral power to kill"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "Americans abroad based on secret"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "intelligence that no one was able to"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "really look at. On the other hand, the"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "drone program became a precision tool"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "for eliminating senior jihadists with a"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "near zero risk to US personnel. CIA"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "contractors would operate out of secret"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "bases in Nevada, Djibouti, and Diego"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "Garcia. They could kill someone on the"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "other side of the planet during a lunch"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "break. The CIA's program was so"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "secretive that even the drone strikes"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "weren't acknowledged publicly for many"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "years. Then came the stories. The"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "wedding party in Yemen blown up in 2013"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "by mistake. The rescue missions in"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "Pakistan where an American hostage"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "Weinstein and an Italian aid worker low"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "Porto were accidentally killed by a"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "drone strike authorized by the CIA. In"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "2015, a ton of classified information"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "was leaked to the Intercept by Daniel"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "Hail. After he left the Air Force and"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "became a contractor, he leaked 17"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "documents on the program containing"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "details about the kill lists and"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "civilian casualties of the drone"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "strikes. It revealed the true extent of"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "America's worldwide drone killing"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "operation. And it was shocking to see"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "for those who don't like to see how the"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "sausage gets made. To many, it appeared"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "like assassinations by another name,"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "targeted killings. It revealed that 90%"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "of people in certain drone strikes were"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "not the intended target. These were"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "authorized and defended all the way up"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "the chain of command. John Brennan,"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "Obama's counterterrorism, SAR, and later"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "CIA director, argued in 2012 that the"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "drone strikes were ethical and just,"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "even while reports were showing that"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "many people were dying, innocent people."}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "Meanwhile, inside the CIA, there were"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "growing concerns. But one CIA officers"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "told the New York Times, \"If we kill"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "them faster than they can recruit, we"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "win.\" But what if every missile breeds"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "three more insurgents itself? Annie"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "Jacobson wrote in her book, Surprise,"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "Kill Vanish, where she interviewed CIA"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "paramilitary officers, quote,"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "\"Officially called signature strikes,"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "these drone strikes were directed"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "against groups of individuals who had"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "been observed keeping company with known"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "terrorists.\" In the press, signature"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "strikes quickly became known as crowd"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "kills. The joke was that when the CIA"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "sees three guys doing jumping jacks, the"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "agency thinks it's a terrorist training"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "camp. That was reported by the New York"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "Times, citing an official that in Yemen"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "and Somalia, al-Qaeda, and ISIS use"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "these civilian deaths from these drone"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "strikes as propaganda, framing the US as"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "a foreign occupier, operating invisible"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "death machines from above. By the late"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "2010s, the CIA drone program had become"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "a fixture of US foreign policy."}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "Presidents came and went, but the drone"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "fleet kept humming. Bush started the"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "fire. Obama flamed it. Trump then"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "loosened restrictions on it. Biden"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "promised reforms for it, but it"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "continued. The infrastructure of secret"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "executions from the sky has remained"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "intact. And now we've seen two of"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "America's partners, Israel and Ukraine,"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "conduct a new evolution of warfare where"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "drones in just a matter of weeks apart"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "were able to pull off a new evolution of"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "drone warfare. The core dilemma is that"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "while the United States needs an"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "effective intelligence agency to"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "anticipate threats, prevent wars, and"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "protect national interests, the CIA has"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "had mixed results. It's meant to be a"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "precise tool for understanding the"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "world. And yet they often have to act"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "blindly. Errors that they make have"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "great great consequences and high stakes"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "that other jobs in national security"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "don't have to deal with. They can cause"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "catastrophic blowback making some other"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "jobs. I think it's this attempt to live"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "up to lofty values in America and in the"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "West and then have those ethics mixed"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "with the need to do dirty work against"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "evil people that need to be destroyed."}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "This is part of what I would call the"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "paradox of American power. In wartime,"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "truth is so precious that she should"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "always be attended by a bodyguard of"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "lies. If you're enjoying this episode,"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "why don't you grab one of our enhanced"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "interrogation world tour t-shirts. CIA"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "denied. Cappy army approved. Or you"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "could check out the other hats we have"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "and t-shirts. The link is in the"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "description. We need to give context of"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "what the CIA really is. The agency was"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "born from the World War II era OSS"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "Commandos and they were created"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "officially with the National Security"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "Act of 1947. At the time, you might be"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "surprised to learn, but America was one"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "of the last countries in the entire"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "world to actually create a foreign"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "intelligence service of their own. Their"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "purpose was to provide the president"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "with foresight about what America's"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "enemies were really thinking and to"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "fight fire with fire when absolutely"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "necessary. the paramilitary wing of the"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "CIA. Their motto is Tersia Opio, which"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "in Latin stands for third option. What"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "that means is it's the solution after"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "diplomacy has failed and war could"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "hopefully still be avoided. The wing"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "that we're focused on today is that"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "paramilitary side. They're the shadow"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "soldiers of the intelligence world, part"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "spy, part soldier, and part foreign"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "policy expert. In 2009, the organization"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "looked like this. What this document"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "shows us is that the agency split"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "between the operational side which are"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "like the trigger pullers and the"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "analysis side which are the bean"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "counters. The special activities center"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "has two groups that we know of called"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "special operations group and the"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "political action group. These guys often"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "don't look like your stereotypical"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "warriors. They wear pink boat shirts"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "with blue jeans and white sneakers while"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "they topple governments, run black"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "sites, and hunt terrorists around the"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "world. Between the 1950s and the 1970s,"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "the CIA went absolutely buck wild. They"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "went crazy. They were considered a rogue"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "organization. They conducted political"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "assassinations, domestic spying. They"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "supported some coups around the world"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "that ultimately weren't even in the"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "country's national interest. They"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "operated with almost impunity and almost"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "zero oversight from the government. An"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "article written in the New York Times by"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "Seymour Hirs, keep that name in mind,"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "it's going to come up again, it called"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "the CIA out and blew up their spot,"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "which led to the US Senate, their 1975"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "church committee. And that investigation"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "revealed CIA crimes that absolutely"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "outraged the public. In response, the US"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "government cracked down on and created"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "restrictions on the CIA. They lassoed"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "them in and tried to rein all of their"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "operations in. A desk is a dangerous"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "place from which to view the world."}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "That's why today there's a law that's"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "called US Code Title 50. It governs how"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "the CIA operates. A US president now has"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "to inform Congress and keep them up to"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "date. There's a congressional approval"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "process and oversight of their covert"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "missions. People often hear the term"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "covert and they confuse it with"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "clandestine. The two are actually not"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "interchangeable. There's an important"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "distinction, but in Hollywood, they"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "often call it the same thing. So, under"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "Title 50, what that means"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "interchangeably in Hollywood, but"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "there's a major difference in the real"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "world. Under Title 50 authorization,"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "covert action is when the effects of an"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "operation will be visible, but the US"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "government will deny being involved,"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "like when they arm rebel groups in"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "Syria. If operatives are caught, they"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "may end up in foreign prisons where the"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "US government will still deny that"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "they're even affiliated. Clandestine"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "means quote unquote hidden. So, the goal"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "is for the operation to not be noticed"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "at all, like secretly placing a"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "surveillance device inside a foreign"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "embassy without being detected or flying"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "a innocent surveillance drone over a"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "country. Clandestine operations do not"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "require a lawyer with a big presidential"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "finding. It has to be less justified."}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "And there's far less legal scrutiny than"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "covert actions. The Church Committee"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "ended up leading to hundreds of CIA"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "officers getting fired. In 1977,"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "Director Turner launched a major purge"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "of the AY's clandestine operations"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "branch. They essentially cleaned out and"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "swept away their sins and tried to come"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "clean, revealing all their family"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "jewels, so to speak. In CIA lore, it's a"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "real cannon event called the Halloween"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "massacre. Nearly 20% of the force was"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "let go in an attempt to regain public"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "trust. They also codified into law that"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "assassinations were off the table. No"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "more assassinating leaders as a foreign"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "policy tool. However, our first story is"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "the perfect example of how what is and"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "isn't an assassination can end up being"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "a gray area. And it's now been over 50"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "years since the last time the CIA placed"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "serious restrictions on itself, cleaned"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "house, and aired those secret family"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "jewels for all to see. Since then, their"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "power has grown considerably. This next"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "story is the enhanced interrogation"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "program that I think is evidence of just"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "how powerful the CIA had become. Again,"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "before the waterboarding, before the"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "rendition flights and the black sites,"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "there was a man in a hotel room in"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "Pakistan being asked politely. That man"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "was Abu Zabada, the first high-value"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "detainee captured by the CIA after 9/11."}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "And he wasn't saying much. So, the CIA"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "turned to something a little bit"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "stronger than polite conversation. They"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "called it enhanced interrogation. Others"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "would later call it torture. Either way,"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "it happened and it happened a lot. In"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "fact, it happened at the outpost that I"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "was in in Iraq. Whenever we raided and"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "captured bomb makers and insurgents, we"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "handed them off to the Iraqis who could"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "get more creative with their methods of"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "interrogation than the United States"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "legally could. Loophole achieved,"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "ethical questions averted,"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "traumatization later in life unlocked."}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "The agency has a history with getting"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "people to talk and all intelligence"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "groups do this kind of crap. I did a"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "video once on China's MSS, Russia's KGB."}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "They do some dark This is a dark"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "world that we're talking about that all"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "them play by different rules based on"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "their targets. During the Cold War, the"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "CIA studied human behavior obsessively."}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "They wanted to understand how their"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "enemies thought. LSD experiments at"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "McGill University, mindontrolling"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "projects like MK Ultra, and the Kubark"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "counterintelligence interrogation"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "manual. The Kubark manual written in"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "1963 outlined everything from sleep"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "deprivation to sensory disorientation,"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "but always with the caveat, don't leave"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "any marks. That golden rule would carry"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "over to the war on terror with a few"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "upgrades, as we'll see. In the wake of"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "9/11 terror attacks, the CIA was handed"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "essentially a blank check and a hunting"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "license. On September 17th, 2001,"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "President Bush signed a covert action"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "finding, giving the CIA unprecedented"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "authority to capture and kill suspected"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "terrorists. This wasn't your dad's CIA"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "anymore. The Directorate of Operations"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "started building a global network of"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "black sites. Poland, Lithuania,"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "Thailand, Romania, Morocco. These were"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "all countries where the Geneva"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "Conventions were more of a suggestion"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "than a rule and they opened up famous"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "black sites at each of these locations."}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "Geneva suggestions, we should say. The"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "enhanced interrogation program began"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "with Abu Zabada, who was captured in"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "March 2002. The CIA believed he was a"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "top al-Qaeda planner and assumed he had"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "actionable intelligence on the next big"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "attack, but he didn't. But no one knew"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "it at the time. What they did know was"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "that Zaboda was defiant and"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "uncooperative. So, the CIA went to its"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "new psychological consultants, James"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "Mitchell and Bruce Jensen, two former"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "Air Force SEIR psychologists, who had no"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "real experience with interrogating"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "anyone, but claimed that they could"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "reverse engineer resistance training"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "that they did understand. Mitchell and"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "Jensen had read the Kubark manual, and"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "they knew how to break someone down."}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "First came the walling, quote unquote,"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "which was slamming detainees into a"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "plywood wall. Then stress positions like"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "having to sit in a really uncomfortable"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "position for a long period of time. Then"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "sleep deprivation for up to 180 hours."}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "That's over 7 days awake. Then came"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "water boarding which they administered"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "83 times to Zaba. He was strapped to a"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "gurnie, tilted back, and had water"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "poured over his mouth and nose until he"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "convulsed and passed out. Then they woke"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "him up and did it again. CIA officers"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "watching the interrogation were"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "horrified. This is something that we"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "should not be doing, one of them wrote"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "in a cable. Another admitted it felt"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "like a mock execution. The program"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "continued though. In 2003, Khaled Shik"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "Muhammad, the architect of 9/11, was"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "captured and waterboarded over 180"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "times. He eventually confessed to"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "planning attacks on bridges,"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "skyscrapers, even a plot to blow up"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "Panama's canal. But years later, Senate"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "investigations concluded that much of"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "what he said was either exaggerated,"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "fabricated, or already known. So, what"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "did America get out of all of this?"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "According to a 2014 Senate Intelligence"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "Committee report, the 6,700 page"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "document, of which only 500 something"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "pages were declassified, it concluded"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "that the CIA's torture program was"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "brutal and effective. They claimed"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "enhanced interrogation saved lives. The"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "CIA's own internal communications"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "revealed doubts, cover-ups, and frantic"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "efforts to protect the agency. Jose"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "Rodriguez, head of the CIA's clandestine"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "service, ordered the destruction of 90"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "videootapes of interrogations in 2005"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "over 90, fearing a public backlash. He"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "said, quote, \"It was just too horrible"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "to watch.\" Rodriguez would later defend"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "his decision, saying, \"We needed to"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "protect our people, period.\" Others"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "didn't escape so cleanly, though. CIA"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "case officer John Carco, who spoke to"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "the media in 2007 and confirmed the use"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "of waterboarding, was sentenced to 30"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "months in federal prison, not for"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "torture, but for leaking classified"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "information. The program officially"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "ended in 2009 when President Obama"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "signed Executive Order 13491, banning"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "torture and requiring all interrogations"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "to follow the US Army Field Manual. The"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "most shocking part, it wasn't a secret."}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "The program was known, briefed, and"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "approved at the highest levels of the"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "government. As one CIA officer put it,"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "\"We weren't rogue. We were the tip of"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "the spear.\" To me, the most chilling"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "part of this program is what I think it"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "stood for. In some ways, it may have"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "been less about getting information and"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "more about exacting a revenge from an"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "enemy that was often elusive. It may"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "have been about punishment for the sake"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "of what was done on 9/11 more than"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "anything else. One of the things Osama"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "bin Laden believed and said a lot, they"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "were weak and didn't have stomach for"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "war or death. These horrific torture"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "programs may have been a message to"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "America's enemies that the nation is"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "capable of unmatched levels of violence."}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "That's all we've got for CIA"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "paramilitary operations on this episode"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "of the series. If you want to see more,"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "because there are certainly a lot more,"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "let me know by hitting the like and"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "subscribe button. If you want to read"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "the sources and show notes, as always,"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "just go to cappy army.com to check them"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "out. There you can also get exclusive"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "content or our shows podcast if you want"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "to join the membersonly on YouTube."}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "Thank you. I'm your average infanterman,"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "Chris Cappy. Ending transmission"}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Today, we're going to use new satellite"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "images to analyze how much damage"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "America's bunker buster bombs did to"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Iran's underground nuclear program,"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "exactly how many of Iran's ballistic"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "missile launchers they have left, and"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "we'll map out the kind of tactics the US"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "military used in this massive air"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "campaign. Because the answer of whether"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "or not these bombs are actually capable"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "of destroying deep mountainous bunkers"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "has enormous consequences far beyond"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "just the rock. See, there's been debate"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "all day over whether the US actually"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "fully destroyed the Iranian nuclear"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "facilities and the enriched uranium."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "More or less destroyed the Iranian"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "nuclear program. Probably not forever,"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "but certainly put it back a long way."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "So, Iran recently developed air base can"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "also withstand those bunker buster"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "missiles. Iran's nuclear ambitions have"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "been obliterated. First, let's look at"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "the accuracy of these strikes. Take a"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "look at this satellite image of the"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "12GBU57"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "bunker buster bomb hits at Iran's Ford"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "nuclear enrichment site. This reveals a"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "lot. You can see there are two groups of"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "three impact craters. Even though we"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "only see six holes here, there were"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "actually 12 GBU57s"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "dropped because two bombs were launched"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "into each hole. It's like throwing a"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "dart on top of another dart, except the"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "dart is guided by GPS system from 9 and"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "1/2 miles up in the sky. Take a look at"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "the location. See how the impact craters"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "are in a linear north to south"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "alignment. This strike pattern suggests"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "to me that American intelligence had a"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "systematic knowledge of the underground"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "facility. The Washington Post spoke with"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "Wes Bryant, who's an expert on satellite"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "imagery, and the former chief at the"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Pentagon Civilian Protection Center of"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "Excellence. He said the B2 bombers"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "targeted a 250 m long part of the"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "facility that contains the centugues"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "used to enrich uranium. The B2s achieved"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "this by specifically targeting the"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "ventilation shafts. Yes, just like that"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "scene from Star Wars where Luke"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "Skywalker fires a bolt at the thermal"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "exhaust port to blow up the Death Star"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "and then people would later joke about"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "how why would they design the Death Star"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "to have such an obvious weakness. But in"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "reality, that's actually lore accurate"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "to IRL life. But sorting through the"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "geopolitical side of this topic has been"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "insane because I get a different version"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "of events depending on which outlet I'm"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "looking at. And that's exactly why I"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "partnered with Ground News for this"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "episode, because they're the best tool"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "for me to stay objective with my"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "reporting. Ground News is an app and a"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "website that pulls in news coverage from"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "around the world and puts it in one"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "place so I could see how every angle of"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "a story is being told. The first thing I"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "did with this episode was I used their"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "search toolbar on their website, typed"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "in the Iran US war, and found this"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "article titled Trump is open to regime"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "change in Iran. With ground news, they"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "do the vetting for you. I can see and"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "choose which sources stick closest to"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "the facts with the highest factuality"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "rating that they give. The color-coded"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "layout allows me to easily see their"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "bias, and sometimes I want to see the"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "far-left and far right and what they're"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "saying. Because I believe in Ground News"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "so much, we're offering you 40% off the"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "same Vantage plan that I use for my"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "research. Just go click the link in the"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "description or go to ground.news/cappy"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "army or scan the QR code up here. It's"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "one of the biggest discounts they've"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "ever offered and it knocks the price"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "down to just five bucks a month. If you"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "want to support the channel and get a"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "clearer understanding of the world, try"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "out Ground News. Iran's Ford out nuclear"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "site needs these vulnerable ventilation"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "shafts for two reasons. Because it needs"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "to suck in air and remove carbon dioxide"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "so people can breathe underground. And"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "number two, because it needs to vent out"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "tons of heat and hot air that nuclear"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "centuge halls generate. If the heat"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "isn't expelled, it'll fry the machinery."}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "Just like how your computer with its RTX"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "5090 graphics card needs seven types of"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "water fans to cool it down. This is the"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "same here. It's true in nuclear"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "facilities, too. These vents are only a"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "few meters wide. They're tiny targets,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "and they're often disguised and hidden."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "It's like my old squad leader used to"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "always say to me, \"Stop making Star Wars"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "analogies. You're a loser.\" Joseph"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Rogers at the Center for Strategic and"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "International Studies Project on Nuclear"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "Issues said, \"The reason that you'd want"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "to target a ventilation shaft is that"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "it's a more direct route to the core"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "components of the underground facility.\""}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "Take a look at this satellite image."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Now, look at the blowout pattern from"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "the explosion. That tells us a ton. See"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "how the discoloration of the soil"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "extends from the crater? Translation:"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "The soil is disturbed up to 200 m away"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "from the central impact. What that tells"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "us is the subterranean shock wave"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "traveled at least 200 m through the"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "facility. I feel sorry for the guy that"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "got his degree in geology, not expecting"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "to become a fed doing battle damage"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "assessment for the Pentagon. Jerry Lewis"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "at the Mbury Institute James Martin"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Center for Non-Proliferation Studies"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "spoke to Wired magazine and said, quote,"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "\"They're probably not trying to get all"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "the way into the facility. They're"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "probably just trying to get close enough"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "to it and crush it with a shock wave. If"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "you send a big enough shock wave through"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "the facility, it's going to kill people,"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "break stuff, damage the integrity of it."}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "Why does this picture look not safe for"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "work? I should call her. But it doesn't"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "tell us if it went deep enough to"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "penetrate the enrichment center. To"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "analyze that, we'll have to look"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "elsewhere. Take a look at this before"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "and after photo of more of the bunker"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "buster impacts, and it tells us"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "something interesting. The disturbed"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "terrain here looks like white bluish"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "gray soil, which is an indicator that"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "pressure from collapsed tunnels sent"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "debris flying out of the vents and"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "tunnels. Because when an underground"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "void collapses, the pressure vents out"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "debris. Like how when you break glass of"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "a window from the outside and there's"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "evidence of glass on the inside, you"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "know, like in every Forensic Files"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "episode ever, we note a deep sinkhole is"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "visible also on the eastern side. And"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "this is what we would expect to see when"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "the blast cavity of a slumped tunnel"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "occurs. The answer of whether these"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "bombs work or not is extremely"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "important. It'll have profound"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "consequences for the future of US power"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "and the current strategy for warfare."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "Because North Korea and China have"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "invested heavily, spent billions of"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "dollars and years of effort into a"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "strategy designed almost entirely around"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "digging deep underground to avoid these"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "kind of bombs that only America's"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "capable of delivering. Whether these"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "bombs worked or not sends a very"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "different message to our adversaries. If"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "the damage was extensive, it"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "demonstrates mountain bunkers in North"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "Korea and China aren't immune from US"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "air power and it'll be a strong"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "deterrent. However, if the damage from"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "these bunker busters was lackluster,"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "like a 2 out of 10 weak sauce, then it"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "could have the exact opposite effect,"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "which is why I think it's so important"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "that we analyze this battle damage. The"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "cat is now officially out of the bag one"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "way or another. So, let's hope that they"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "worked. There were likely only around 50"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "of these GBU57s ever produced for the"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "entire US Air Force arsenal. That's all"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "public knowledge that they've revealed"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "based on production contracts. Jerry"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "Lewis said, quote, \"The US military"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "relies on basically a computer model"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "which tells them how much pressure it"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "could take before it would severely"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "damage everything inside and maybe even"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "collapse the facility. The US didn't"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "need bombs capable of penetrating the"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "full 260 ft to cause substantial damage."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "The bunker busters were tested against"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "reinforced concrete that's resistant to"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "5,000 PSI. However, Iran used a more"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "resistant type that can withstand 15,000"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "PSI. What we don't see here in these"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "images though tells us just as much as"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "what we do see. Absent is any Iranian"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "air defense assets which were already"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "destroyed by the Israeli and US air"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "strikes. But can we really draw any"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "conclusion of how effective Russian air"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "defense equipment is against American"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "stealth fighters? Maybe, maybe not."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "We're talking about export versions of a"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "lot of this equipment and we're talking"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "about an entirely different military"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "using it. I mean, Ukraine has"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "effectively used Russian produced S300"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "air defense. It's just tough for us to"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "say a lot about that. Absent is any"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "large-scale recovery or repair effort. I"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "can see there is some activity on the"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "road with vehicles there, which means"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "Iran's agents are already on the ground"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "assessing the damage. But my absolute"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "favorite way to get open- source"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "intelligence isn't from satellite"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "images. It's from people with cell"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "phones on the ground and people gabbing."}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "The Iranians on the ground looking at"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "the results of the bombings will"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "inevitably communicate with their"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "leadership the extent of the damage and"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "those communications will eventually be"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "intercepted by signals intelligence"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "intercepting radio transmissions or by"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "human intelligence. American CIA spies"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "will channel that information back to US"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "officials. If you want to get an idea of"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "just how much the CIA has penetrated the"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "Middle East, just check out my last"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "video on the unhinged operations that"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "the CIA pulled off there recently. But"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "what are the public statements from each"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "government? It's always kind of"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "hilarious to see what government"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "officials are saying these days when"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "they have to lie in the face of"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "overwhelming visual satellite imagery."}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "It's worth it to look at these, though,"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "because the public statements from each"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "government and their officials can give"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "us clues as to how effective these"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "strikes were. Iran's own energy agency"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "confirm that access is compromised."}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "Meanwhile, statements from US officials"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "claim Fordo is now off the table for"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "enrichment. However, privately, there"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "have been doubts within the Pentagon"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "that the GBU57 might not actually be"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "enough to reach the main hall of the"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Ford facility. Iran insists that their"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "core facility is still intact, but it's"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "not like they're exactly letting"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "inspectors in to vet that claim. The"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "Iranian regime's official statements"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "dispute the damage. For example, Hassan"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "Abadini, the deputy political head of"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "Iran's state broadcaster, said they"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "already evacuated the three sites a"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "while ago, saying, quote, \"The"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "enrichment uranium reserves have been"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "transferred from the nuclear centers,"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "and there are no materials left there"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "that, if targeted, would cause radiation"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "and be harmful to our compatriots.\" End"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "quote. Well, the Iranians claim they"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "were able to move all of their enriched"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "uranium to a safe place before the US"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "bombing this weekend, but General"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "McKenzie pointed out to me that it is"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "very difficult to move radiated material"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "around without being detected. Some"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "evidence of this comes from Israeli"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "officials speaking to the New York"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "Times. They said it appeared that Iran"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "had moved equipment, including uranium,"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "from the site ahead of time. These"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "satellite images from Maxar confirm the"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "17 trucks arrived before the attack and"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "then left. These dump trucks could also"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "be trying to fill in the tunnel"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "entrances to prevent damage from the"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "bomb. Usually in battle damage"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "assessment in BDA, you're looking for"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "how many enemy were KIA, but in this"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "case, amazingly, the Iranian Red"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "Crescent reported that no human"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "casualties from any of the American"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "strikes because all these facilities had"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "been evacuated beforehand. Meanwhile,"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "from 400 kilometers to the south,"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "American submarines launched a massive"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "wave of 300 Tomahawk cruise missiles at"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "Esfahan nuclear site location to destroy"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "the remaining buildings and knock it out"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "for good. But wait a second, is there a"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "risk of radiation after the attack?"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "Since the US targeted enrichment sites"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "instead of something like a active"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "reactor or a weapon stockpile, there"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "isn't really a risk of that. Operation"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "Midnight Hammer used considerable"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "resources, including 120 US Air Force"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "fighter jets, E18 Growler electronic"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "warfare jammers, and civilians on the"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "ground in Iran reported major cell"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "phone, GPS, and other communications"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "interruptions in the area. I've seen"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "that happen firsthand when I was in"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "Ukraine. You're just looking at your"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "phone, looking at the map one second,"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "and then the next second shows your"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "location some 300 miles away or"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "something. It's kind of spooky. Aircraft"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "carriers are also headed to the region"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "with three of them going there. So"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "escalation is still on the table, boys."}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "And with all these combined over 500,000"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "pounds of munitions dropped on Iran, it"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "appears their nuclear program has been"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "at the very least knocked back years and"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "possibly even completely destroyed or as"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "they say in 2025, it's been unal alive."}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "But how many Iranian ballistic missile"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "launchers are still operational after a"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "ton of them were targeted by Israeli"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "fighter jets? People don't realize it,"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "but this is a giant bottleneck for"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "Iran's retaliation because even though"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "they have 2,000 missiles that can reach"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "Israel, they only have about 300 TS or"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "mobile launchers that can actually fire"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "them. An account by the name of El Musk"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "on X did the dirty work of compiling a"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "list of all the video and photographic"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "evidence of each destroyed launcher."}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "This is the kind of open- source"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "information that makes me want to say Ha"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "unironically. The list shows Israel has"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "destroyed at least 54 Iranian ballistic"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "missile launchers. You might say, well,"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "they have 250 left. No problem, right?"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "We have to keep in mind that a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "these are decoys and older, smaller ones"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "that can't fire missiles that reach"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "Israel. And that kind of reduction"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "explains why their retaliation has been"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "lowered from 150 missiles launched per"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "day down to about 10 launched per day."}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "The way the kill chain works is wild."}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "When Iran fires one of these missiles,"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "the heat signature is located and"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "instantly picked up by American"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "satellites, that GPS targeting data is"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "then transferred to an Israeli war plane"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "that starts hunting for them and then"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "deletes them in the world's highest"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "stakes game of cat and mouse. You might"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "say, well, Iran can just build more of"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "these launchers really fast, right? They"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "could just pump these puppies out."}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "They're basically just trucks with"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "hydraulic systems, right? Not"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "necessarily. Sanctions against Iran mean"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "that they have difficulty getting"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "heavyduty engine parts and machine"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "tooling with the kind of tolerances they"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "need to rebuild these launchers. Pretty"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "soon we're going to see them firing them"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "off the back of Toyota Camry. Iran isn't"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "totally defanged yet, though. They're"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "continuing drone and ballistic missile"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "strikes against Israeli cities. Over 500"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "ballistic missiles have been lobbed at"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "Israel so far. Most have been"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "intercepted, but the total amount that"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "they've impacted the ground so far has"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "been estimated to be around 50 of those"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "500, which isn't exactly a great show of"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "force. Iran's missile infrastructure has"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "been heavily damaged. Iran was able to"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "produce about 50 of their missiles per"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "month before the war because they were"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "trying to outpace the production of"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "Israel's air defense. Now, the"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "calculations have been shifted, though."}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "What we're seeing is a missile war of"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "attrition instead of a war of attrition"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "of manpower. We're watching to see who's"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "going to run out of missiles first, Iran"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "or Israel. After just a week of combat"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "operations against Iran, Israel's"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "stockpile of larger, more expensive"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "arrow interceptors are running low"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "according to the Wall Street Journal."}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "And they've conducted an attack against"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "a US military base in Qatar. The US had"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "already evacuated that air base in Qatar"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "on June 17th. And Iran knew that when"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "they chose to attack it, so they weren't"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "trying to destroy much as much as just"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "tell their domestic audience that, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "we've retaliated and now uh hey, can we"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "stop this war, please?\" Osen defender,"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "who has 1.4 million followers on X,"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "wrote his assessment of Iran's"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "retaliation, saying, quote, \"Iran once"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "again shows how pathetic and incapable"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "they actually are.\" And if that's really"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "the case, that would explain why the New"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "York Times is saying Iran is looking for"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "an off-ramp here, which is a diplomatic"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "way of saying they're trying to say"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "peace, no more, time out, no tagbacks."}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "If the United States really wanted"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "regime change, what would happen next"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "would be bombing of their water"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "facilities, electric power companies,"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "knocking out their entire country's"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "communication networks. After that, we"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "would see them hit transportation, like"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "their bridges and airfields would get"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "KO'ed, which would prevent Iranian"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "leadership from even leaving the"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "country. After that, the American air"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "power would target shipping ports and"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "shut off their economy by stopping oil"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "from leaving the country. This would"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "destabilize the nation so badly that the"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "United States would hope that the people"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "would revolt or that the leadership"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "would flee to Russia, North Korea, or"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "China like how Assad ditched out and"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "pieced out from Syria. By June 24th,"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "there was some confusing whiplash back"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "and forth over the possibility of a"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "ceasefire. The US government stated that"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "there was a complete ceasefire in"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "effect. By the next morning, Iran and"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "Israel had continued to bomb one another"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "and it was unclear if the ceasefire"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "would hold. Remember to check out our"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "top secret CIA mission in the Middle"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "East. Link in the description. 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[{"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Today, we're going to examine combat"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "footage from around the world. Navy"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Seals smoking ISIS in Syria, Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "mechanized ground assaults, and cartel"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "firefights in Mexico. We're going to"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "analyze the tactics used and give a"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "broader geopolitical context behind each"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "of these clips while treating my PTSD"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "through exposure therapy. Our first clip"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "comes to us from Syria where the most"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "bizarre shootout of the entire Syrian"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "civil war occurred that almost no one"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "heard about. It involved American"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "soldiers, Russian troops, and Syrian"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "government militia men all tangled"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "together at this rural checkpoint. It"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "was a classic cluster of a situation."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "The date was February 12th, 2020. And"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "the operation started as a routine US"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "military armored patrol of MRAPs rolling"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "into the northeastern village near"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Kashalami, which I definitely said"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "incorrectly. This area lies just a few"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "miles away from some of Syria's most"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "valuable oil fields. Those oil fields"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "were largely secured by US troops and"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "Kurdish allies, the SDF, because"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "everyone knows there's nothing worth"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "dying for more than oil. It's surreal to"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "watch the footage here. You can see"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "flags from Russia, Syria, and the United"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "States, all being flown at the same time"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "at this checkpoint, each by military"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "forces that were operating under"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "different command structures and"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "different rules of engagement. The"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "conflict started because the American"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "troops were blocking the road and"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "preventing the Russians from getting to"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "those oil fields. Keep in mind, by this"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "part of the war, tensions were boiling"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "because just 2 years prior, a US"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "military had killed an estimated 200"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "Russian Vagner mercenaries at the Battle"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "of Kasham. So the Russians were a little"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "bit buttth hurt going into this. Ever"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "since Russia had been testing boundaries"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "and bumping into American patrols, it"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "had become routine. In fact, this"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Kamchile shootout that's about to happen"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "was the eighth altercation between US"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "and Russian forces in Syria in just a"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "matter of months. Prior incidents"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "included aggressive vehicle rammings,"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "electronic warfare interference, and"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "blockades on key roads like the M4"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "highway that runs through the entire"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "northeastern part of Syria. It was a"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "pattern. Neither side wanted to shoot"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "first at each other, but both were just"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "itching to make hard eye contact and"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "assert dominance. So, what happens next"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "is the American patrol encounters this"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "crowd of pro-ass Assad loyalists"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "blocking the road. And footage aired on"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "Kurdistan 24 shows evidence of Russian"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "soldiers speaking directly to the Syrian"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "civilians, encouraging them to chant,"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "\"Get out, USA.\" Even though that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "sound very catchy, maybe in Arabic it"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "is. It appeared to be a calculated"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "attempt to stir up an anti-American mob."}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "It's absolute freaking chaos. Before we"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "get into what happens next, when I"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "switched to Jaco Fuel, something in my"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "life changed. And at first, I couldn't"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "tell what it was. It was a big old"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "mystery. As soon as my buddies from my"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "old unit found out I was partnering with"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "Jaco Fuel, a bunch of them asked me to"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "send them energy drinks if I could"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "directly. For what it's worth, I've"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "never had people reach out to me and ask"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "for product like that before. What was"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "going on here? Take a look at the facts."}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "The Go Energy drinks hit me like a"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "strong cup of coffee with 95 milligs of"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "caffeine. But that's the thing, there's"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "no crash afterwards because they're"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "packed with adaptogens and zero sugar."}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "Then the Mulk protein shake has 30 g of"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "clean grass-fed protein with zero chalky"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "aftertaste. That's what was happening to"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "me. That's what was becoming clear here"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "why everyone wants them so badly. That's"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "what changed in my daily routine. I no"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "longer had a nasty overstimulated crash"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "each day. Jaco Fuel is about sustainable"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "performance. Like my old squad leader"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "used to say, \"Don't burn out, you.\" I"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "use Jaco Fuel for the energy to run my"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "business, take care of my newborn baby,"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "and still find time to research each"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "episode with my team. Ditch the junk,"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "fuel up with something that's actually"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "good for you. Go to jakofuel.com and use"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "my code cappy 25 for 25% off your first"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "order. The link's in the description."}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "Back to the episode. What happens next"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "is the Kurdish news crew begins filming"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "and trying to get an interview with one"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "of the US soldiers on site. Suddenly,"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "gunfire erupts from pro-regime militia"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "elements in the crowd. If we stop the"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "video, we can see there are four"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "separate gunmen aiming at the Americans"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "and firing. The camera jerks and dives"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "for cover. US soldiers are seen taking"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "machine gun fire. A few Russian soldiers"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "can be seen in a couple of frames here,"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "running back to one of their Tiger"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "armored vehicles and their BTRs. The"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "firefight ends up escalating. We can see"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "on camera four Syrian regime militia men"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "run up to the American MRAP and throw"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "gasoline on it, attempting to light the"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "vehicle on fire while others in the"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "crowd start firing smallarms rounds"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "directly at it. The Americans return"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "fire. In the exchange, one Syrian is"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "killed and at least another one is"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "wounded. None of the US troops are"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "injured, although one vehicle is visibly"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "damaged. Within minutes, US air support"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "is overhead. Two American F-15 fighter"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "jets from nearby bases in Iraq conduct a"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "show of force, passing at low altitude,"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "dropping flare decoys to signal"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "escalation readiness. Russian troops"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "mediate the standoff and both sides pull"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "back. A lot of people probably have no"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "idea how narrowly we avoided a world war"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "or at least a full-blown international"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "crisis. Exciting news to share with you"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "guys. We just had our baby girl last"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "week. I haven't slept since then. She's"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "an absolute angel and I love her. I"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "legitimately owe everything to you guys"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "support. So, I just wanted to share the"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "good news with you all. The art of war"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "is simple enough. Find out where your"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can."}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "Strike him as hard as you can and keep"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "moving on. Last year in June 2024,"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "something bizarre happened. Video of"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "helmet cam footage from US Navy Seal"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "operations was posted on Instagram. It"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "was then shortly afterwards deleted and"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "briefly scrubbed from online, but it had"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "already been widely shared. The videos"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "were posted by an Air Force drone"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "operator attached to the elite unit, and"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "he somehow got access to a hard drive"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "with a bunch of dev group files. This"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "clip likely from Syria. It's a rare look"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "at how Tier 1 operates. We can see a"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "team of US Navy Seals conduct a vehicle"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "interdiction operation against a"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "high-value target who's driving in a car"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "across the desert. At least four"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "Blackhawk helicopters carrying the team"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "fly in low and try to get the vehicles"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "to stop. The fact that they're doing"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "this in broad daylight could mean that"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "they're trying to capture them alive for"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "intelligence. It's also possible that"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "it's just giving them the element of"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "surprise to catch them like this by"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "confronting the targets on the open"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "road. There's less risk of getting shot"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "in a raid in a confined building. The"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "vehicles don't stop from visually seeing"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "them, so the seals let a rip of burst"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "from their minigun as a warning. The"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "shots cross about 50 meters in front of"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "the enemy vehicles. The helicopters"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "hover low and deliberately kick up sand"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "with their rotor wash as a kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "psychological tool to intimidate the"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "target and to disorient. Instead of"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "stopping though, the vehicles veer off"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "the right side of the road. So, the SEAL"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "team delivers another rip, this time"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "right in front of the vehicle to try to"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "get them to stop, but they continue"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "speeding forward. The SEALs then use"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "their M134 minigun to destroy the"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "vehicle. The M134 is frequently seen"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "used by SOCOM. It fires the 762x 51mm"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "full powered cartridge at 6,000 rounds"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "per minute through six rotating barrels."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "This is more difficult to maintain and"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "more expensive at about $200,000 a pop."}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "But it's damage per second stat is"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "insane because they turn that vehicle"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "into Swiss cheese. The video continues"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "as we see a second interdiction. This"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "time there two vehicles. The seals let"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "off another rip of their minigun and"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "this time the cars are a little bit more"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "interested in their self-preservation."}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "We can see the helicopter line up on"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "either side of the road trying to"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "prevent all routes of escape. This"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "appears to have been taken in Syria"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "where US forces were at the time"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "battling against some of Iran's proxy"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "militia and ISIS elements. Based on the"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "patches on these troops, we can see"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "they're from Silver Squadron, aka Head"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Hunters, one of the four Navy Seal"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "assault squadrons that we know of, Red,"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Blue, Gold, and Silver within the Navy's"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "elite dev group unit, Seal Team 6. These"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "helicopters are flown by the 160th,"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "which is the most well-trained pilots in"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "the entire force. They're known for"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "being able to fly precise movements with"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "these birds. We almost never get to see"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "how they conduct tactical sight"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "exploitation, but here we can see the"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "SEALs getting off the helicopter and"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "returning fire at the vehicle, dumping"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "an entire magazine. They eliminate a"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "number of targets at the vehicle. Then"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "they begin looking for intelligence. And"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "it's interesting to note they don't open"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "the trunk with the trunk handle."}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "Instead, they use tools to rip open the"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "top of the trunk to get in from the top."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "And the reason they do this is because"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "they want to avoid any booby traps. Bomb"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "makers will often rig their trunk to"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "explode when opened. But if you're"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "interested, I've been doing a weekly"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "uncensored version of this show on"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "Pepper Box for months. There's already"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "nine combat reviews on there, but if you"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "want to sign up, it's free for the first"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "2 weeks. Otherwise, it's eight bucks a"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "month if you enjoy it. I don't know what"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "effect these men will have upon the"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "enemy, but by God, they terrify me. Our"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "next clip comes to us from Mexico in"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "their state of Tamalupus where I think"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "it's important for us to see just how"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "wild the engagements with the cartel"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "have become. We see the Mexican army is"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "in a Mad Max style open road firefight"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "with cartel Sakario hitmen. Our private"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "call sign Whiskers fires his FN mini me"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "at the fleeing enemy. I don't have to"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "speak Spanish to know they're saying"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "let's go whiskers and shoot faster will"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "you. I'm pretty sure a scene from"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "Sakarios 2 was based on this exact"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "shootout. I remember watching they have"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "a a road firefight and thinking that's"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "unrealistic. That would never happen in"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "Mexico. Boy, was I wrong. You can see"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "the gunner in the top of the vehicles"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "laying down suppressive fire as civilian"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "vehicles whiz past them and trucks move"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "on the other side. They're very likely"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "in the 101 freeway over there, one of"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "the most trafficked routes. This next"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "clip comes to us from the beautiful"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "central Mexican state of Zakatekus"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "showing the weaponry deployed by cartel."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "They're using M203 grenade launchers"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "underlung on AR rifles, high cut fast"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "helmets, the type that usually special"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "forces use. They have kit that looks"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "like these guys could be freaking KAG."}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "Their cartels got body armor, but they"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "don't have any red dot aiming sights on"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "their weapons. At least not even an"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "ACOG. You can see from the terrain"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "though, the firefights are in mountains"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "and huge valleys that they have here."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "This is between two cartels, the CJNG"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "and the Cineella cartel, who are still"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "both fighting for control of key"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "trafficking routes through Mexico up to"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "America. We hear there's a drug war"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "going on in Mexico, but we don't"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "actually often see the reality of what"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "that war looks like on the ground. So,"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "that's why I think it's important for us"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "to see this. You can see from this clip"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "that took place in Los Garo in June,"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "Cartel del Noristi released drone"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "footage of them deploying a ghetto pimp"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "my ride version of an infantry fighting"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "vehicle. It's even got a mounted 50 cal"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "rifle on it. And they're firing off"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "shots right next to a cartel de Gulo"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "armored vehicle. Those shots definitely"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "go right through it. They're taking"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "drive by shootings to another level"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "here. There is tons of footage showing"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "how the cartel is now using drones to"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "drop bombs on each other and the Mexican"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "military. It's something to keep an eye"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "on, I think, as they obtain more"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "sophisticated weapons and tactics. In"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "2025, we've seen the heat was turned up"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "on the cartel leadership with the leader"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "of the Los Chapitos gang killed in a"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "firefight with Mexican security forces."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "In 2025, the Mexican military is filled"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "with brave soldiers who very often wipe"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "the floor with the cartel sakario when"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "it comes to gunfights. But this is an"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "asymmetrical battle. It's like fighting"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "an insurgency. They pop up somewhere"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "else. Our next clip comes to us from"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "Eastern Europe in Ukraine with an"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "infantry tank assault straight out of a"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "maybe a Russian field manual. This is"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "the Georgian Legion of soldiers who have"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "traveled from Georgia to fight against"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "Russia. They're assaulting a Vagner"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "forces position. You can see the tank"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "laying down 50 cal giant rounds of"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "machine gun fire on the burm of the"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "trench and the enemy trenches less than"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "100 meters away as the infantry and the"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "tanks move up together with the infantry"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "using the tanks as cover as they move up"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "slowly. Trenches are hard targets to"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "destroy and we can see the tanks 50 cal"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "machine gun is suppressing the enemy but"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "it doesn't effectively take their cover"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "out. So the T-series tank starts"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "pounding the position on the burm with"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "accurate cannon fire and that does the"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "trick. The infantry is able to move all"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "the way up to the tough part which is"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "the trench clearing. We see the assault"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "did its job though because that violence"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "of action that shock value of the tank"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "made the Russians flee out the back of"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "the trench. 14 enemy were reportedly KIA"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "in this battle. Our next clip shows us"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "the difference between"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "counterinsurgency, room clearing, and"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "highintensity nation state war. This is"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "the Ukrainians Omega Special Operations"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "Group. It's one of the most daring raids"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "I've ever seen. They pull up to this"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "giant building that's occupied by a"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "Russian platoon. You would think that"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "they're going to clear the building,"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "surgically, go through it, but no. They"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "jump out, start shooting everywhere, put"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "satchel C4 charges on it, and then they"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "shoot the windows to suppress the enemy."}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "We see from several different points of"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "view we're jumping back and forth"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "between of each Ukrainian soldier doing"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "different jobs. Some of them are"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "suppressing fire on the windows while"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "others move up and plant explosives in"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "key structural positions. This showcases"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "to me how they've adapted and overcome"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "to some limitations. Since they don't"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "have as many glide bombs they can fire,"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "they have to deliver their bombs in a"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "different method, a very innovative one."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "They also stuff the building full of"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "anti-tank mines and then they peel off"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "and exfiltrate to safety. The building"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "is then blown up, which if you've ever"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "seen how buildings are made in Eastern"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "block countries, they're pretty solid"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "out of freaking concrete. So collapsing"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "one like that is impressive. That's a"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "lot of boom. One of the Omega soldiers"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "was injured in the raid reportedly, but"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "in return, they inflicted heavy damage"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "on the Russian position that day. This"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "next clip comes to us from the war"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "raging in the Middle East. And on a"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "tactical level, I found it to be pretty"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "interesting. The IDF is having a tough"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "go of it in the beginning. They take"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "gunfire from a direction that they can't"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "really figure out where it's coming"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "from. The squad moves all around looking"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "for where the shots are coming from."}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "Finally, they deploy a small drone. The"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "quadcopter flies around and locates"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "where the shots are finally originating"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "from. They throw frag grenades into the"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "crawl space and kill their enemy. This"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "clip, I think, shows us how fast war is"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "changing. When I was in, you never had"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "the ability to have that kind of"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "situational awareness without putting"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "yourself at considerable risk. Next, we"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "move over to Syria, where we can see"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "Western special forces have embedded"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "with Kurdish militia. This takes place"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "in northeastern Syria in 2016. US"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "special forces were on the ground"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "training these groups to fight ISIS."}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "They start firing at a kamicazi ISIS"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "truck that has makeshift armor all over"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "it. It's a V-bed vehicle born IED. It"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "looks like it's going to get away and"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "escape until a javelin freaking missiles"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "fired at it. This was back in the day"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "before those things were in short"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "supply, so firing one at a randomass"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "Helix truck didn't seem like a big waste"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "of money, but they entirely smoked that"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "ISIS truck to the core. I've thought"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "about this often. That man and I might"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "have been good friends. We might have"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "had a lot in common. He might have liked"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "to fish. He might have liked to hunt. Of"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "course, they were doing what they were"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "supposed to do, and I was trying to do"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "what I was supposed to do. But under"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "different circumstances, we might have"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "been good friends. Next up is"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "Afghanistan where we see Mars, which is"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "essentially the Marine Elite Special"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "Forces Unit. I read the book Level Zero"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "Heroes. That was about these guys in"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "this clip. This is Marine Special"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "Operations Team 8222 and their"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "deployment. What happened was on"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "November 4th, 2009, two paratroopers"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "from the US Army 82nd Airborne, Sergeant"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "Sherman and Icelip drowned in the Marhab"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "River in Afghanistan trying to retrieve"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "supplies from an airdrop near Fab Todd."}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "The problem was the entire valley was a"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "Taliban stronghold. So retrieving their"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "fallen bodies meant that they would have"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "to clear the entire region to get to"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "them. But we don't leave any fallen"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "soldiers behind. There are a couple of"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "wild things about this clip. The first"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "thing that stands out to me is that the"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "Marines are using ATVs, unarmored"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "vehicles, as they patrol out to clear"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "this stronghold to get to retrieve these"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "bodies. These ATVs allowed the Marines"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "to get up high on these hills and be in"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "an unpredictable spot. It allowed them"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "to have the high ground, the advantage"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "as they're seen raining down all kinds"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "of bullets and munitions on the Taliban"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "enemy. The second thing that stands out"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "to me is their professionalism. They're"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "shooting, moving, communicating with"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "each other while staying calm. The third"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "thing is it's unusual to see video"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "footage where such accurate shots are"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "being taken at them. You can see the"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "dirt kicking up around this marine."}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "Though the marine recording it even says"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "they're shooting at you, Dolphin as a"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "friendly heads up. Unfortunately,"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "Dolphin would later be KIA on a"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "deployment a year later. We see they"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "drop a 2,000lb JDAM on the enemy"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "position once they're able to locate it."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "And they're eventually able to recover"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "the bodies of the 82nd Airborne soldiers"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "and clear half the valley of enemy"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "Taliban positions to restore security"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "for the time being. Let me know if you"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "enjoyed this format of analyzing combat"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "footage from around the world. If you"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "did, we'll do one of these each month on"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "here. And if you like this episode in"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "the series, we already have a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "episodes on Pepperbox. The link is in"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "the description, completely uncensored."}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "There's episodes where I react with"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "former Navy Seal commander Jaco Willink"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "on there and fat electrician, veteran"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "with a sign, and more. Be sure to go to"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "cappy army.com for merch. You can get"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "the enhanced interrogation world tour"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "t-shirt and spare parts squad tabs"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "there. I'm your average infantryman."}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "Ending transmission time"}]

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And um you know when I"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "founded the disclosure movement which of"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "course that conference that you're"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "referring to is named after um that was"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "an outgrowth uh accidentally as I"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "mentioned to you of the C5 initiative at"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind which"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "is what this documentary is about. But"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "it it what it says is that the it's long"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "overdue. The public wants to know what"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "the truth is, but they also want to do"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "something that makes a change that isn't"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "just uh you know, I think for a lot of"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "people, they're tired of the whole"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "sitting around in a conference routine."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "I think what my focus has always been is"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "a call to action to do something."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "uh whether it was the disclosure project"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "and bringing out top secret military"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "people and moving that information to"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "the public uh or organizing the public"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "to make direct contact with these"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "civilizations because we need to be able"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "to make direct contact and bypass the"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "government. I call this cosmic civil"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "disobedience on a very large scale where"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "we sort of get out of our homes and out"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "from in front of TVs and smartphones and"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "computers and actually go out under the"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "stars together and learn the techniques"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "of remote viewing and the C5 initiative,"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "the close encounters of fifth kind"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "initiative, make contact and let these"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "civilizations know that there are people"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "here on this planet"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "who are peaceful, who are enlightened,"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "who want to have contact with them"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "for a better purpose than a military"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "agenda or uh a materialistic agenda,"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "let's say, because and that's what's"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "been lacking. If you look at the last 70"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "years of the so-called UFO subject, uh"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "the big problem has always been we're"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "always"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "pursuing this at least officially in a"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "covert way that's focusing almost"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "exclusively on a military view of it, an"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "us versus them view of it or a"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "materialistic view. And that is gee,"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "let's see if we can shoot these aircraft"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "down that are from other star systems,"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "figure out how they work and make"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "another better secret weapon for"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "Lockheed Skunk Works or my uncle's"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "company North of Grumman or whoever. So"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "I think we we we really are needing to"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "find what I'm sensing is that uh more"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "than half the public believe we're not"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "alone in the universe. It's something"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "like uh 60%."}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "uh 43% of Americans think we're"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "currently being visited. It's a big"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "number. You know, it's like 150 million"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "people. So, what people don't know is"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "what's really behind the secrecy. And"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "so, what, you know, it's like so what?"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "What are we going to do about it? Um,"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "and what I've always tried to focus on,"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "here's what we can do about it. We can"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "take disclosure into our hands, not"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "expect the government, but we also can"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "take interplanetary diplomacy"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "into our hands. In other words,"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "you know, having met with UN Secretary"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "General and and you know, foreign"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "ministries and people in government all"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "over the world, there isn't a program of"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "peaceful open contact between the human"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "species and these other species. We've"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "always just been reactive. And so this"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "is where this next documentary, Close"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "Encounters of the Fifth Kind, is is is"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "the next thing that we have to do. We"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "have"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Well, let me jump Yeah, let me jump in"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "right there if I may. Uh, serious and"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "unagnowledged both broke ground and and"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "they were uh not only accepted but some"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "of the most widely viewed documentaries"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "not only on the subject of any"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "documentary in history. Now, Close"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Encounters of a Fifth Kind is out. It is"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "a whole new dynamic. It's a dynamic in"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "visuals. Both you and the director,"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "Michael Mazola, uh, attended to not only"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "the editing and a big production feel to"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "it,"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "but you've got new material here that"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "has never been presented before. And I"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "think that's more important than"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "anything when you're reaching out to an"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "audience that is beyond our community."}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "Right. Well, it actually also it only"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "shows you what's happened in making"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "direct contact over the last 30 years."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "This is the 2020 is the 30th anniversary"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "of the C5 initiative. I founded it in"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "1990, right?"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "And uh you we have around 100,000 people"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "around the world doing it. U and what"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "we're trying to do is get somewhere on"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "the order of 70 or 80 million people."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "Why? Because it's 1% of the world's"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "population. And when you look at the"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "movie, we go through an explanation of"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "how important that critical mass is that"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "when people are in mass consciousness"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "kind of woven together and they intend"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "to do something, it changes the dynamic"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "of the other 99%."}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "So instead of the 1% elite that are"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "running the world into the ground, let's"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "talk about the one% of people who can"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "put their uh focus on enlightenment and"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "contact and creating a new civilization"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "on this planet. And that to me is what's"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "really exciting and that's the reason I"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "actually left uh my medical career is to"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "do this. Uh uh the the whole disclosure"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "project was uh because of a successful"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "C5 that happened on the beach in Florida"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "in March of 1992"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "and it ended up on the front page of the"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "Pensacola paper and the next thing you"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "know I have"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "head of army intelligence and CIA people"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "contacting me going you know dude what"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "the hell are you doing"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "at that at that in Pensacola"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "we talked about this last week I think"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "it's one of the most amazing images that"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "has ever been captured. You've got uh"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "there's a couple, but specifically"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "you've got uh"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "some an I say ET, I think that's the"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "wrong word. You've got a being a full"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "color being captured and you chose to uh"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "put this into the film. What do what do"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "you think the reaction's going to be"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "from everybody when they see this image"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "of of this intelligent uh being?"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Usually it's oh my god astonishment"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "because and by the way that wasn't at"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "Pensacola. That was at Boca Grande on"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "the uh further south on on the Gulf"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "Coast years later. That beam was"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "actually photographed a few years ago in"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "the 2000s. Um the the original event"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "that happened in Florida was in '92. So"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "um that this was probably 20 years later"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "or 15 years later and um that being was"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "is a ET from another star system but"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "they're they're on the order of several"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "hundred million years more evolved than"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "we are."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "Yeah, I thought I thought when you look"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "at it you can tell this is not this is"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "this is amazing. So, it was sort of, you"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "know, a lot of things we put in the"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "movie was pushing the envelope of what"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "people could get their minds around"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "because we're we're so materialistic."}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "We're we're thinking all the time that"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "um as species evolve, it's just sort of"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "like around the edges of where we are,"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "These these are a thousand quantum leaps"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "up past"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "in higher states of consciousness most"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "importantly. Um and where their whole"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "civilization has understood uh the"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "science of consciousness and of"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "teleportation and of manifestation and"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "materialization"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "uh almost like you would read in from a"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "a book from the ancient uh vadas or"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "Sanskrit uh of what they call cities si"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "ddh i s which are these abilities to"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "materialize a gem or materialize a whole"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "city. Um, of course, humans have evolved"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "to have those kind of capabilities uh"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "over the years periodically, but I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "talking about civilizations where the"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "entire civilization, everyone on the"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "planet is at that level of conscious uh"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "enlightenment and evolution."}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "Well, that's why Well, that's my point"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "about this image. This image, you see"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "the intelligence and this this this"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "being is almost speaking to you. There"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "is something going on there. There's a"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "connection."}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Right. Oh, yeah. And it was on the"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "beach. We I was It was a C5. So, in"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "other words, let me tell you the setting"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "for that. One of the problems with a"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "two-hour documentary is that it's a tour"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "to force, but there's no context for a"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "lot of these images. So, that since you"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "brought it up, we had decided to go out"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "on this beach with a training team that"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "I uh had invited maybe 30 people. I was"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "setting up and arriving and that we do a"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "meditation privately before we go out as"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "a group um to do a meditation and C5"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "contact. And as we were going onto the"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "beach to set up this beam materialized"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "and started um scintillating and this"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "area of light and I a guy I I don't take"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "photos or videos. I'm no good at that."}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "So, there was a person with me who I"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "pointed over and saw it, set up his"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "camera, and took that photograph."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "I didn't take it. I don't take I've"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "never taken a photograph."}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "Right. Right."}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "I'm all thumbs. I'm fine with a"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "ventilator or a defibrillator, but"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "forget cameras. Anyway, so"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "so what happened is that as soon as it"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "was taken, we looked at we went, \"Oh my"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "god, it was such a beautiful uh image of"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "it.\" Um, and what happened after that,"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "we invited that being and a whole bunch"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "of other uh a whole group of"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "civilizations that work at that level to"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "join us on the beach that night. And"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "then all kinds of other things happen."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "There's an image in there of this ribbon"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "of light that comes into the group and"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "wraps around one of the people attending"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "and goes up from behind and over"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "shoulder up to her third eye. And it"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "looks like a sort of like this arrowhead"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "object. You've seen this photo."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "Yes, I have."}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "That that's one shot of a photo, not"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "photoshopped. And she was a medical"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "doctor from Peru. Uh and she was having"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "this amazing enlightenment experience in"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "this deep meditation I was guiding when"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "this thing came in. So the kinds of"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "phenomenon and beautiful experiences we"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "have are beyond the scope of the movie,"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "but it sort of just introduces the idea."}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "but what we're doing and the idea that"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "everyone can do it. Now, I I want to put"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "say something. We just released."}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "I don't know if you've gotten it yet,"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "Jimmy. Um the C5 contact app. So, I do"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "have it. 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So the idea is that"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "this is going to facilitate people"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "forming uh contact teams all over the"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "Now, one of the exciting things about"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "the film, there's a lot of great things"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "about it, but is the amount of video and"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "imaging content that you have. And who"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "made the decision on what made the film"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "and the terabytes of of extra stuff that"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "didn't make it into the film, that's a"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "that's a tough decision. And will we"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "have uh a part two, a part three, a"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "supplemental documentary of of some of"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "the other stuff that didn't make it into"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "the film?"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "I hope to sometime. I don't know how to"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "do video editing and stuff like that."}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "And as you know, we don't have an office"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "or staff or a budget. So, let's say we"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "raised uh and by the way, thank you to"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "everyone who contributed to the"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "crowdfunding. This film, like all of"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "them have been crowdfunded. And right"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "now this is in the top 10 uh"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "documentaries ever crowdfunded. It's I"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "think we're just hit $89,000."}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "And so that's gone into the movie, but I"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "don't have a staff"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "to be able to take the hund we have"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "about a 100 terabytes of material to"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "take that pull it out and then put it"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "into other things"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "even on even on YouTube. We just don't"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "have anyone to do that. So, um, and I"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "don't know how, um, I just don't do"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "video editing, but so that's something"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "someday maybe we'll be able to do if we"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "found someone competent to do it. But,"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "uh, yeah, to answer your question, we do"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "want to do that. Um, we just don't have"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "any personnel to do it."}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "Who made the decision about what made it"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "into the film? Who made those decisions?"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "Well, it was a whole team effort. um you"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "know the producers and Michael uh Maza"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "and I uh ultimately uh I made the"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "decision of things that I thought were"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "the most representative of the different"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "kinds of phenomenon that happened uh"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "during C5."}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "But some some of it got to the point"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "that there would be 10 great images that"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "are very similar and you just have to"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "choose one because in a 2-hour feature"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "film that you want to have, we're aiming"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "to have 500 million to 800 million"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "people see this. It's very very"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "difficult. Unnowledge has had over 600"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "million people see it."}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "Right. Right."}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "Okay. So our goal is to you know we had"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "to make a hard it was like you know"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "which arm do you want to cut off? you"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "know, when you had to make this"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "decision, uh there's a lot of great"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "content not in there. Uh but we we"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "really wanted to show different"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "phenomenon that illustrated the kinds of"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "events that happened where there was an"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "ET nearby and then I call it the healer,"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "the one that has the sort of a a praying"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "mantis shaped triangular head that"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "healed a man of his hearing loss in our"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "circle a couple years ago up in Arizona."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "um or so we wanted to have enough things"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "in there to give people a flavor of the"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "kind of things that happen, but it isn't"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "exhaustive. Now, what's interesting"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "though, we took every photo and video in"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "the film and put it into a bonus feature"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "uh that goes with the movie when you"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "when you get it. But it's only available"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "in two places, Vimeo and iTunes. The"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "other platforms don't allow for bonus"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "features. So people who really want to"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "see that in a in an aggregated way where"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "it's just it's 25 minutes continuously"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "of amazing photos and videos of C5"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "events."}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "You've also got unedited uh the full"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "interviews uh from the film too as well."}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "Yeah, there's a long interview with me"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "that was done in the Batcave or whatever"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "that thing was."}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "and uh with with also with uh uh Danny"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "Sheen, the constitutional attorney,"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "civil rights attorney who's on our team."}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "And that's an amazing interview with"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "that with with Danny. So, those are"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "three bonus features that come with the"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "film, but you can't get it. Amazon"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "doesn't have it. Um the Google Play"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "doesn't have it, but uh iTunes and Vimeo"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "does. So, there's some confusion on"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "that. That's why I'm trying to point"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "that out. Sure. those bonus features"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "which I think people really interested"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "in disclosure and contact that's they're"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "going to want those but it's the other"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "the reason it's not on the other"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "platforms is the other platforms don't"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "allow it or it would be so and by the"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "way today today which is uh what is"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "today Earth Day the 22nd right"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "today is the 21st"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "21st uh tomorrow's Earth Day today is"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "the first day it's been available for"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "rental"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "right"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "so the film can just be rented But"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "unfortunately, the rental platforms"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "don't allow for these bonus features"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "that are mind-blowing. But, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "I don't have any control over that."}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "That's, you know, you have to talk to"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "whoever owns Apple and Amazon and"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "it's not my chicken. I, as they say in"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "the sale, not my chicken, honey. I don't"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "really have the ability to have any say"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "over that. And uh uh a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "ask, you know, well, is it on Netflix? I"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "said, no, you don't just slap it on"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "Netflix. They have to approach you. And"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "we have no idea whether Netflix is going"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "to want to have something like this on"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "their platform or not, but where it is"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "now, you can rent it, you can get it um"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "on iTunes and on Vimeo, you can get"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "these amazing um bonus features that are"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "not available anywhere else. And um I"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "think people are going to want to get"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "those because when you know the these"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "images you're referring to including"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "this light being and the ET that did the"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "healing and and then the uh ambassador"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "from the Andromeda galaxy Biju um that"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "was at Joshua Tree with us a few years"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "ago. Um all those are are isolated, you"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "know, in this bonus feature, one image"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "after another instead of just being"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "scattered through a 2-hour film. So,"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "it's really a great thing for someone to"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "have in their collection if if they're"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "really into it."}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Now, disclosure is a is a big word."}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "You've been out in front uh pushing for"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "this. The community, whatever their"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "definition of disclosure is,"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "they have been chopping at the bit. It"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "seemed like we were getting really close"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "over the last few years for something"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "big to break. And I felt and so did many"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "you and I have talked about this often."}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "I felt that we were ready. I really felt"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "like the world you know that most people"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "were saying I mean the common my friends"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "that are not part of the UFO community"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "say of course we're not alone. This was"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "expected. Of course what did you think?"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "Well, today the reaction from this is"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "the elephant in the room, right? The"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "reaction from Corona virus and the"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "shutting down of economies and the"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "crisis that we're all being forced to go"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "through right now makes me almost take a"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "step back and say, are we could we"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "handle the truth? Are we really ready"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "for this? Is Corona virus helping us"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "understand how we can react to something"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "on a worldwide scale and maybe uh uh"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "handle real disclosure in a different"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "way? What's your take uh after after"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "what we've gone through in the last"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "couple of months? Is the world ready for"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "for real real disclosure?"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "Yeah, but you have to define real"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "disclosure. You know, the first part of"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "this film exposes the covert clandestine"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "message and narrative narrative"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "of what's been going on with some of the"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "disclosure efforts that have hijacked"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "uh let's call it the movement that I"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "started in the 1990s to do this. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "specifically,"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "you know, the tic tac and uh the stuff"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "that came out from the Pentagon and TTSA"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "where on every single major media outlet"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "in the world, mainstream media, this was"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "portrayed as a threat, an alien threat,"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "a threat to our national security. Now,"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "you know, all the way back to the late"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "1990s, early 2000s, we've been talking"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "about that Verner von Brown, who"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "invented the rock at Adolf Hitler, and"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "others that I've worked with uh have"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "said, frankly, this has always been the"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "long-term objective of the Cabal,"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "keeping this secret, these so-called"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "unagnowledged special access projects."}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "But what people don't realize, those"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "operations always stay in the shadows."}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "They get cutouts. people that are sort"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "of carrying their water for them that"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "are the visible tip of that spear and"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "that's what's unfortunately started"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "happening which we also had predicted in"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "the 1990s because to be very blunt with"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "you I took meetings in the '9s with"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "people who were key members of that"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "committee"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "of the majority intelligence committee"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "me magic as it's called used to be"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "called majestic 12 but it's called magic"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "majic And it was made very clear to me"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "that that was the agenda and that there"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "there would be an acculturation project"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "that would pick up steam and then they"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "would move the narrative in the"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "direction of fear, panic, and a threat."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

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I'm back. I'm Dr. Steven"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Greer and I'm here with Dr. Russell Tar."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "I'm very honored to have Dr. Tar with us"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "today. Uh he's coming from California uh"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "on this YouTube live special event for"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "the premiere of Close Encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "Fifth Kind. Contact uh has begun. And uh"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "again, I'd like to give the great news"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "that this documentary is now number one"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "worldwide on iTunes. Um and uh that's"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "just in a few hours, we've raced right"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "to number one. And I'd like to thank"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "everyone for making that possible."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Everyone who crowdfunded this. We're"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "right at $800,000 on the crowdfunding."}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "And uh that we've done a a you've all"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "done a great job in making this happen"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "for everyone who wants to learn about"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "this. And I'd like to thank Dr. Tar"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "because he appeared in this film. Um"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "those of you who've seen it already, uh"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "some of you have, it's just released"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "today. and uh he he provides some really"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "beautiful insights into uh consciousness"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "the science of consciousness and the"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "fact that this has been known for"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "millennia in various cultures. So uh Dr."}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "Tar is a a physicist. I believe you were"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "a laser physicist with Lheed for some"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "time and then worked for the uh remote"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "viewing projects with the CIA and uh"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "have some amazing experiments that"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "you've been uh witnessed to and I just"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "like to for you to to to go forward and"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "share with the public your experience"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "and your journey and what you've"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "discovered as a scientist about the"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "nature of uh consciousness and thought."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "Well, I'm very happy to be here to"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "celebrate the release of your wonderful"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "new film. I enjoyed that thoroughly and"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "was happy to see people transcending"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "space and time as you sat there with"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "your laser pointer telling them where to"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "look."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> Beautiful. Yep."}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": ">> The thing that thing that I can tell you"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "about is that I have now 40 years of"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "experience"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "sitting in a room with people and saying"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "somebody is hiding somewhere in the"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "world. I'd like you to quiet your mind"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "and tell me what it looks like where"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "they're hiding. That's the instruction."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "There's no no magic mumbo jumbo. just"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "quiet your mind and tell me the"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "surprising images that will show up and"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "people can do that describing what's"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "across the street in Palo Alto or what's"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "going on in Soviet Russia or in China"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "and the most important thing that I can"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "tell you as a physicist what we"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "discovered is it's no harder to describe"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "something thousands of miles away than"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "it is to describe something across the"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "street. Right."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": ">> So modern modern physics call that"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "non-loc non-local"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "perception."}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "But the most interesting thing that we"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "discovered and been replicated in many"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "laboratories is also no harder to"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "describe something that's going to occur"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "days or weeks in the future than it is"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "contemporaneous."}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "And many labs have shown that now"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "including uh professor John at"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "Princeton."}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "And the best evidence we have that you"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "can look into the future is that after I"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "left SRRI, I did a little experiment"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "where we were forecasting changes in the"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "silver commodity market. So each day on"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Monday, I would sit with a psychic in my"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "kitchen and say, \"Can you tell me please"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "what I'm going to put in your hand next"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "Friday, 5 days later?\" And that object"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "would be determined by whether the"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "silver market goes up a little, up a"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "lot, down a little, or down a lot. And"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "we did that correctly nine weeks in a"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "row."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": ">> So this was not in the Nature magazine."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "This was on the front page of the Wall"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Street Journal."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "California firm has cornered the silver"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "market because without air made"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "$120,000."}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "That was in the 1980s when 120,000 was a"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "lot of money but doing anything eight"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "time doing anything nine times in a row"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "is quite remarkable"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": ">> right it's amazing yeah and that just"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "shows that uh what's interesting is that"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "while there are renowned people doing"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "remote viewing u such as Swan who is a"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "friend of mine prior to his passing and"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "others that in in reality every human"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "being who is conscious"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "and and and is willing to give some time"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "to the practice of it and the study of"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "it uh can can accomplish these things."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": ">> That's a very important idea that this"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "is not unique to a few people,"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": ">> right? In fact, after leaving SRRI in"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "the 1980s, I was teaching remote viewing"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "all over the world and many producers"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "set me up in Japan or in Italy or in"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "Stockholm."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "And the first thing I would say from the"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "stage to the audience is that I expect"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "everybody here will either do something"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "psychic or see something psychic. If"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "that doesn't happen, we'll give you your"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "money back. And producers were often"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "very shocked because they didn't expect"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "that to happen. But in fact, as I would"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "stand on the stage and lead people"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "through a exercise,"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "everyone would either have a psychic"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "experience or observe that their nature"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "had drawn or described something"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "perfectly."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "And that's really an important idea that"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "this is a widespread ability. And as you"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "said, this is not new age. This was"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "heart and soul of Buddhist teachings"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "back before the time of Christ."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:01", "text": ">> The earliest Buddhist writings by uh"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "Pabnava and other Buddhist teachers,"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "they expected you to be able to quiet"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "your mind, see into the distance, see"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "into the future, diagnose illnesses, and"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "heal the sick. And that was not for"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "special people. That's for anybody who"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "learn to quiet their mind, locate the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "off switch and discover that your nature"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "is timeless awareness. The powerful"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "teaching of Buddhism is not any dogma,"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "any belief system, any stuff to do."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Buddhism gives you control of your mind."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "Give to shows you how to find the off"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "switch. Quiet your mind. And what you"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "discover is that you are not actually"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "made of meat and potatoes. But your"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "nature is timeless awareness. Which is"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "to say, your nature when you quiet your"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "mind, you discover that you can move"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "your center of focus out into the"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "universe or into the future. And you"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "discover that's who you really are."}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Exactly. And that's uh what what I've"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "experienced in training people all over"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "the world to do uh C5 is that a lot of"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "people have this idea because they've"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "learned it from our uh society and our"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "our religious institutions and teachers"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "that you can't do this. And the first"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "thing that people have to get over is"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "this gremlin on their shoulder saying,"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "\"I can't. I can't. I can't. I'm a dumb"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "clump of clay.\" And so every you kind of"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "have to turn off that negative noise and"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "voice that says you cannot do it. Study"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "and understand the nature of"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "consciousness which is why we included"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "the science of consciousness experiments"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "in this movie. So people see that there"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "is objective data that shows that in"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "fact uh as you mentioned earlier before"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "we went live that uh Urban Schroinger"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "said you know the total number of minds"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "in the universe is one. It's a"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "singularity and that singularity is the"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "true nature of every mind and the"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "conscious mind that is within each being"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "uh even though we may identify it with"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "our ego and self at its deep and quiet"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "nature is this field of awareness that"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "isn't limited by space or time."}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": ">> Yeah, I completely agree with that."}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "Schroinger had a nice way of putting"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "that. He said that consciousness is a"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "singular of which there is no plural."}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "We're all connected together. Now my"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "interest as a scientist is in what we've"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "been discussing but we actually did this"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "work for the CIA for two decades and the"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "CIA is not noticed for their metaphys"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "not noted for their metaphysical"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "interest but each day or each week we"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "would have to do some operational thing"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "to pay the rent. So we did stuff like um"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "well the film that I made a film"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "recently called Thirdey Spies that opens"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "with Jimmy Carter thanking us for"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "finding a downed Russian bomber in"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "Africa. the an a bomb a Russian bomber"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "went down under the canopy of forest in"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "northern Africa and we couldn't find it"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "with our satellites cuz it was under the"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "trees but a remote viewer in California"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "was able to quiet her mind mark a map"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "and say if you go there you'll find the"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "mountains are on the right and before"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "the mountains of the river and then"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "there's a village between the mountain"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "and the river you'll find the down"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "bomber and we the CIA A then launched a"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "helicopter with nobody's permission"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "right into a clearing in the jungle in"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "time to see villagers pulling wreckage"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "out of the out of the river. So we found"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "something that no one else could find."}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:11:00", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": ">> And and we did that for 20 years for the"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "CIA."}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": ">> Yeah. And it's a fascinating movie that"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "you did uh Russ the Third Eye Spies. Uh"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "I think it's up on Amazon Prime and"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "other sites and people should take a"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "look at that because it's a really good"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "review of not only the history of this"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "but the capabilities that people have"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "and I think it's really important that"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "we begin to normalize this concept of"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "what the nature of the conscious mind is"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "and not you know take it out of the"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "mystification and the the sort of"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "unattainability that you have to be uh"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "you know a swami on a of a bed of nails"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "for 40 years or something. I think we"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "need to to I hate to say it that way,"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "but I think we need to make it"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "approachable and real for people. And I"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "remember meeting with a state department"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "official some years ago who was asked to"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "go to Australia and I think this was"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "maybe in the 70s and do a trek with the"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "Aboriginals who had something called"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "dream time"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": ">> which is when the in during the dream"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "lucid dream state they would see what"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "would happen the next day or next week"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "and they would actually act on it. it"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "was just part of their culture. And he"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "was sort of went over there to do a"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "study and an ethnography uh and to look"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "into really how their culture considered"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "this to be completely normal. And it was"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "fascinating because I think I mentioned"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "to you and we were talking on the phone"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "not long ago that I met my wife in a"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "lucid precognitive dream that happened"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "five nights in a row. And I was only 22"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "and I was no more interested in being"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "married than the man in the moon at that"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "age. But I said, \"Well, this is"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "apparently.\" And then a a few weeks"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "later I was in Israel in the Middle East"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "and she came as a Peace Corps worker to"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "a convention there and I met her. I"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "said, \"That's her.\" Of course, they"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "didn't go up to a complete stranger and"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "say, \"Hey, I had a dream with you. We're"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "supposed to be married.\" But that was,"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "you know, 42 years ago. No, back up."}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:07", "text": ">> Right back on the kavitz we say"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "mazletov."}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": ">> Oh, thank you."}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": ">> Yeah. What I see on my screen be right"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "over my shoulder is a picture of a bunch"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "of windmills and right under that is a"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "wonderful drawing of a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "windmills. And that was Joe McMongal,"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "right? was one of a group of army"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "uh officers that we trained to do remote"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "viewing. And part of the idea that"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "remote viewing is not a special ability"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "that only a bunch of weirdos have. I had"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "six army officers in their leather"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "jackets and boots come marching in my"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "office for six weeks and my job was to"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "show each of them how to do remote"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "viewing. and they were the key guys"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "setting up a remote viewing program at"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "Fort me. And in the picture uh over my"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "shoulder you have the blue sky and then"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "below that we had a CIA office CIA agent"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "said well I want to see this happen. So"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "he said I'm going to go hide somewhere"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "and at noon Joe should describe where I"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "am. And Joe made this super accurate"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "description of a windmill farm which is"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "a 100 miles east of SRRI."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "And he did that for a decade. There was"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "no decay, no fall off in his ability. In"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "things like card guessing, which is a"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "very boring psychic ability that was"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "done for a decade before we did remote"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "viewing, you often had a uh fall off in"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "ability because people get bored into a"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "decline. There's absolutely no decline"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "in remote viewing. People improve like"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "learning the piano. You don't get worse"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "with practice, you get better with"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "practice,"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": ">> right? And what we found is that many of"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "the people we worked with for a decade"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "or more improved their ability as they"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "learned through the intellectual"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "capability to separate the psychic"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "signal from the mental noise. You have"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "to learn to get rid of guessing and"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "imagination and memory which is source"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "of noise and look for the psychic signal"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "which appears in your awareness and"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "that's a intellectual discernment which"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "people can become more acute and more"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "skillful. So the fact that I can take a"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "bunch of people who are interested and"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "show them the steps and at the end of a"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "weekend they'll all be saying I didn't"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "know I could do that. So I'm not So my"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "feeling people often want to know can I"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "teach you h can you teach me how to do"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "remote viewing. The answer is you"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "already have the ability to do remote"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "viewing. My job is to give you"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "permission to make use of an ability you"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "already have."}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": ">> Exactly. And that it's such a great"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "perspective because that's what I have"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "always I've been a meditation teacher uh"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "since 1974."}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "And what I found is that people have to"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "have an affirmation and maybe sometimes"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "they need someone to sit with them and"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "just tell them and and share this is"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "that this is the nature of the"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "consciousness you already have. You're"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "not people say where do I have to go?"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "You don't have to go anywhere. I said I"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "said and and sometimes in an audience"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "with a a large audience I'll say look"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "let's look to the person right beside"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "you that person is awake you're per"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "you're awake and you each are conscious"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "even though you're unique people like"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "you know two snowflakes no two are are"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "quite identical however the light of"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "consciousness this conscious field is a"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "singularity and so the light of"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "awareness that you're sensing from your"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "the person next to you uh and the light"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "of awareness within yourself is one. Now"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "expand that to the whole audience and"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "then to the whole city or out to and the"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "Andromeda galaxy 2 and a half million"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "light years away since there's no limit"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "in space or time by the nature of"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "consciousness which has been proven in"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "scientific experiments that that you"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "refer to and that we refer to in this"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "movie. What happens is that when people"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "begin to experience in a in a small way"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "a baby step, then they begin to learn"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "that they can sit with others, go into"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "meditation"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "and see what's going on out by Saturn or"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "Jupiter. By the way, share with folks"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "this cool story about Ingo Swan because"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "he was such a great guy. I loved being"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "with him uh with the experiment he did"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "with Jupiter. Well, early on one of our"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "in the beginning I was at a conference"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "on speculative technology and Wernner"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "von Brown was there"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": ">> and I had my ESP teaching machine which"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "is a four choice gadget that helps you"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "develop your psychic ability and that's"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "available free from the Apple iTunes"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "store the Apple i store it's called ESP"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "trainer and it offers feedback and"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "reinforcement so way Back in 1972, I"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "already had this gadget that I built at"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "a at this conference and Von Brown did"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "very very well with that. He the famous"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "um rocket designer ran the American"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "rocket program after he ran the German"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "rocket program. but he did super well"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "with my ESP game and he took me and my"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "game to the director of NASA who was Jim"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "Fletcher and said, \"These guys just want"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "um $80,000 to start a program. I think"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "we ought to get them started.\" So, it"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "was the fact that I coincidentally"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "showed up at this NASA conference at St."}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "Simon Island. Von Brown did super well"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "with my game that we were invited to"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "start a program and na Edgar Mitchell"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "came to our conference with Charlie"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "Anderson and we started a program. So"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "early in our activities, we had a NASA"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "contract and George Pezders, who was"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "head of uh new products, new projects at"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "NASA, was sitting with Ingo Swan and me"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "in my office. He said, \"Engo, uh, I've"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "seen a lot of remote viewing that you've"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "done. We're going to send a Pioneer"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "spacecraft to Jupiter. Could you tell us"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "if we're going to find anything"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "interesting there that we haven't seen"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "before?\" And Ingo took a big puff on his"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "cigar and asked me for a pad to ride on."}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "And he started drawing a C drawing"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "Jupiter and drew a big circle around it."}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "He said, \"Well, when you get there,"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "you're going to find a circle of Iris"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "ice crystals around Jupiter.\" And George"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "said, \"Well, you're thinking of Saturn,"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "aren't you? Saturn's the one with"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "rings.\" Jupiter said, \"I've been looking"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "at the solar system my entire life. Just"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "believe me, I know the difference"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "between Saturn and Jupiter. Eight months"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "later, we got a photograph from NASA"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "that remarkably resembles what Ingo had"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "drawn, showing a single ice crystal"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "circle around Jupiter that no one had"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "ever seen before. It's too uh faint to"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "be seen with a telescope, but it shows"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "clearly in NASA's d photographs. And the"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "photographs greatly resemble what Ingo"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "drew. And the point of this is that it"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "took no time at all for Ingo to suddenly"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "focus his attention 500 million miles"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "away and describe what we're going to"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "see on Jupiter."}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:48", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": ">> Didn't have to meditate. Didn't have to"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "chant any mantras. You know, you want to"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "look at Jupiter, I I can do that. Give"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "me a piece of paper and I'll draw you a"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "picture."}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": ">> Well, this is when I was talking to"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "Michael Mazola in the previous segment,"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "I was mentioning to him that the process"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "we're doing with Close Encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "Fifth Kind when you first come across"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "it. You kind of have to learn. But you"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "can go from uh doing the uh quieting the"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "mind remote viewing and then we turn it"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "expand it to a vectoring connection to"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "these civilizations where we zoom in and"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "show them where we're located. It's sort"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "of the reverse of seeing out. We guide"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "them in. And that process which some"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "people find laborious when they first"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "start it can happen in two, three, four"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "seconds. So often when I go out, I just"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "connect to that aspect of consciousness,"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "intend to see and connect and inv and"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "and then show and it's a very quick but"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "to get to where that is, you kind of"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "need to practice like you said a if"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "you're learning the piano or I'm not"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "very good with musical instruments at"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "all. In fact, I'm a klutz. My analogy is"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "that it's a medical student learning to"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "do a cut down on the throat or a chest"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "tube or those kind of things. When you"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "first do it, it's like, \"Oh my god.\" But"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "then after you've done it lots of times"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "or run a code blue and resuscitated"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "someone and done all this stuff, there's"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "a there there's a a lacrity and an"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "automaticity that it just becomes very"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "effortless word even though it sounds"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "horrific to a lay person. So I tell"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "people as you practice conscious"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "meditation, mindfulness and do this it"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "becomes more and more natural. And when"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "I I remember talking with Ingo about"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "this and he he wrote me a beautiful"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "letter where he loved what we were doing"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "with groups of people connecting to this"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "aspect of consciousness within a sort of"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "a construct of contact and universal"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "peace and some purpose. He said he"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "really thought what we were doing was a"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "a a wonderful application of what they"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "had studied at SRRI. by the way SRRI"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "just to define I know you didn't it's at"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Stanford Research International um that"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "you had been with and that it was sort"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "of an application of that within the"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "construct of the purpose of of reaching"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "out to these other civilizations uh"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "within the framework of what I call"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "universal consciousness but also"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "universal peace that those grow from"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "each other."}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": ">> I I agree with that and and we all have"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "this ability. You don't have to be a"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "Buddhist. You don't have to believe"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "anything at all."}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:31", "text": ">> You just have to learn to quiet your"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "mind"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:34", "text": ">> with the teacher. The teacher basically"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "uh shows you the moves. It's like if you"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "see some if you see somebody riding a"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "unicycle that looks clearly impossible."}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "How could it possibly be able to ride"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "that thing with no handlebars and one"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "wheel? And if a teacher will simply"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "stand you up, tell you what you're"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "supposed to do, and give you a little"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "push, you can ride away, and you go from"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "being impossible to doing it. And the"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "remote viewing is is very much like"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": ">> Exactly. It's beautiful. Yeah. I I"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "enjoyed watching your film where you're"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "pointing out with your green laser"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "pointer into the sky calling in a group"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "of UFOs which are tripartite to begin"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "with and the three of them merged"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "together in two and then the two merged"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "together in one showing that they're"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "obviously outside of time and outside"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "time and space. This is obviously a"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "multi-dimensional"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "project. They can certainly interfere"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "with radar. You can see them on radar,"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "but they also see something making use"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "of either another dimension or a complex"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "spacetime"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "when it goes into the other dimension."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "It doesn't uh drift off the screen. It"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "just gets smaller and smaller and"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "disappears. And we think that psychic"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "functioning makes use of a complex"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "spacetime"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "because in a complex spacetime there"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "will always be a path through that"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "spacetime where there is no distance"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "between you and the distant place you're"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "looking at. There's no no distance in"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "time. So if you want to see something a"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "thousand miles away, three days in the"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "future, just give me the instruction and"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "Ingo can tell you what's happening."}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "Ba basically that happened one day. The"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "CIA came in and today today we need to"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "know what's going on at these"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "coordinates"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "and today is Wednesday. We want to know"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "what's going to be happening there"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "Friday. And he said without a moment's"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "pause, he said, \"Well, I see this"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "beautiful pyrochnic display. It looked"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "like fireworks in the sky and the row of"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "trucks in the distance.\" And I got him"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "some colored pencils and he drew this"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "bunch of circular"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "arcs in the sky. Three days later, we"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "learned that there was a Chinese atomic"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "bomb test at that location and it did"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "not go off. Was a failed atomic bomb"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "test, which is to say when you burn"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "uranium in the air, it makes a pyrochnic"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "display. Does not make a mushroom cloud."}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "So, Ingoing was able to tell three days"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "in advance that at this distant location"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "there was going to be an atomic bomb"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "test, which we of course did not know."}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "And he was able to provide enough"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "detailed information about this future"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "event so that the CIA agents who are in"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "the know could say, \"Aha, it is going to"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "be an atomic bomb test and it will"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "fail.\" So, Eningga was able to look"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "10,000 miles to the west, three days"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "into the future, and make an accurate"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "drawing of what was eventually seen."}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:03", "text": ">> Yes. Right. Exactly. So, now imagine"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "that capability being used with these"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "interstellar civilization. I call it"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "TDIS, transdimensional interstellar."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "Because if civilizations that are a few"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "hundred thousand to a few million years"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "beyond where we are and after all the"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "universe is if you believe"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "astrophysicists estimates 13 to 15"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "billion years old that's not much time."}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "So civilizations that are uh thousands"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "of years beyond us, their technologies"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "are all by nature transdimensional and"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "their communication technologies are"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "sort of a very far advanced version of"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "what Elon Musk is wanting to do with his"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "neurolink company where he's studying"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "how to create uh a technology that picks"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "up on directed thought and causes it to"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "turn the computer on or do functions"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "just through all not through wires. And"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "so Neurolink is studying that. They hope"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "by 2025 they'll have the first"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "operational model. And so we're also we"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "tend to be very narcissistic and and"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "myopic. We have to think about what are"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "the technologies that are extant by in"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "civilizations that are thousands of"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "years beyond where we are. uh and where"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "they have studied and perfected"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "technological interfaces with other"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "aspects of dimensions, spaceime, subtle"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "electromagnetic fields and etc and so"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "on. And what we discovered is that these"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "civilizations have technologies that"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "pick up coherent direct thought not only"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "innately telepathically but"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "technologically"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "as easily as you and I are are using a"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "computer or cell phone to communicate"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "which of course to everyone listening is"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "at the speed of light but the speed of"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "light is too damn slow. I know when I"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "briefed the CIA director and his wife,"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "his wife was the chief operating officer"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "of the National Academy of Sciences and"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "she was intelligent enough to ask this"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "question. She says, \"Well, how would"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "they be communicating across those vast"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "distances?\" And I start talking about"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "the science of consciousness"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "non-locality that they have systems that"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "interface with these other dimensions"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "and thought as easily and precisely as"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "we are using uh cell phones and"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "television and radar and what have you,"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "radio frequencies. And she looked at me,"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "I thought she would be laughing me right"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "out of the place. And she said, I"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "thought it had to be something like"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "that. But now the director of the CIA"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "was more of a an attorney and a"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "apparatic. He it sort of went over past"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "him. But her his wife who was a"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "scientist really understood this. You"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "and and she understood the the fact that"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "by nature civilizations that are uh you"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "know whatever it is 10 to the 5th 10 to"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "the 6th 10 the 7th uh uh years ahead of"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "us thousands to millions. They're"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "naturally going to have evolved"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "technologies that are going to look like"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "magic because let's face it, if you went"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "back and visited Thomas Jefferson and"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "showed them your smartphone or this"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "computer, it would be something from"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "another it would be witchcraft to them,"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "you know, in in 1700s. So I think that"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "that's the other part of this is that we"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "have to realize that there's a certain"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "amount of humility that kicks in here"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "where we have to realize that there's"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "very it's a vast cosmos out there and"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "it's likely there are civilizations that"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "are extremely advanced beyond where we"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "are and all of their technologies are"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "going to be transdimensional or"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "interdimensional just by virtue of the"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "fact that if there's any aspiration to"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "go beyond your own solar system, it's"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "extremely unlikely that can happen uh at"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "the speed of light or less. It's just"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "too slow. So, that's where you then"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "cross into uh the this sort of"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "non-locality in physics. And some of the"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "folks I've worked with in classified"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "projects have run labs that deal with"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "the sciences of not necessarily"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "consciousness, but communication,"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "teleportation, transportation that deal"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "with these transdimensional. we're able"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "to see into the future and show that"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "this consciousness we're talking about"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "has no time. There is there is no time,"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:23", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": ">> I I was once working with a physicist"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "and she said, \"Can't we do an experiment"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "over the phone to measure the speed of"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "thought?\""}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": ">> That's sort of an interesting idea. She"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "was on the east coast and I suddenly"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "realized, well, you won't be able to"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "tell whether I start my experiment at"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "10:00 or 2 minutes before 10 or 2"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "minutes after 10. Since you have perfect"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "precognitive abilities, the meaning of"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "the speed of thought uh is is absent."}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:53", "text": ">> That the most common psychic experience"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "that most people have is a precognitive"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "dream where you have a dream on Friday"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "night and it comes to pass on Saturday."}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "That is the elephant in your garden"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "Saturday morning was the cause of your"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "dreaming about an elephant Friday night."}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "It's retrocausal."}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "So that it's it's really independent of"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "the temporal distance. So it was very I"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "was very impressed not only to see the"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "UFOs circling around as you waved your"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "laser. That shows that there are UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "but it also shows that they have the"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "intentionality of being here and"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "communicating with you. That is these"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "the consciousness that's running these"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "spacecraft also is desirous of"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "communicating,"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:47", "text": ">> right? And they do. And I think this is"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "one of the questions that gets asked a"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "lot is that what are they waiting for? I"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "think I tell people they're waiting from"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "a response from our species that isn't"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "militarized or violent, but that it's"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "with people who are at least at a at a"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "initial level aware of the science of"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "consciousness and these other"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "dimensions. Because without that, we're"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "not going to be able to understand all"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "the different phenomenon at all. because"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "that's I I think that is the as I"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "understand the future the root science"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "of the next thousand years is the"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "science of consciousness um once we get"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "out of this current conundrum of of of"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "living like u savages using fossil fuels"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "from the dinosaur era but once we get"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "past that we'll be able to to begin to"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "realize that this is the real pursuit"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "that will be fascinating not only innate"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "abilities in consciousness but the"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "scientific scientific ific applications"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "thereof. Uh and and those scientific"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "applications are going to be enormously"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "important going forward a hundred years,"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "a thousand years into the future. You"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "know, the space entity is probably"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "already caught on the idea that human"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "beings are very dangerous species. This"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "human beings first response to seeing a"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "new creature is you want to know, can I"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "eat it or can I mate with it?"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:13", "text": ">> Mhm. Right. Or blow it up in this case."}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "Yeah. That's right."}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": ">> Now we have now we have the space force"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "uh out there. So these are you know"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "these are all uh issues that that that"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "are interrelated but at the core uh this"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "is why what we're what we're trying to"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "do with uh C5. And for those listening"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "there's a there's a new app that just"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "came out called the C5 contact app. So"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "if you put in C5 contact on your app"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "store things u you'll see it and it it"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "trains people in the meditation the"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "remote viewing the protocols. The reason"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "I think it's important is this sort of"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "mass consciousness effect that's been"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "described that an individual has a"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "certain effect but two people doing"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "things in a very unified or loving way"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "is sort of an exponential effect. It's"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "not a linear. So there's an effect in in"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "the this time space material world of"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "consciousness uh and even more so when"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "there are people connected doing things"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "together and in coherence."}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:17", "text": ">> Yeah, I agree with that. It's important"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "we we've we're accustomed to talking"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "about space and time, but it's very"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "important the take-home message to"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "realize that for consciousness there is"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "no time. Things happen instantaneously."}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "does not require any time for things to"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "happen in the domain of consciousness."}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:37", "text": ">> Right. Exactly. That's great. Well,"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "again, we're we're about out of time. I"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "want to thank you very much for uh"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "agreeing to be in in Close Encounters of"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "the Fifth Kind. And I want to recommend"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "everyone that they take a look at the"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "third eye uh spies. A very fascinating"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "historical but also the information in"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "it that uh Dr. Russ uh Russell Targas"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "touched on is really important for"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "people to understand if they want to do"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "C5 properly. And uh I I want to thank"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "you for your long career in pursuing"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "this science and taken a very uh serious"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "scientific approach uh that connects our"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "time now to the the ancient times and"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "the ancient civilizations that live this"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "way as seers because that's our innate"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "capability."}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": ">> Thank you and I'm very happy to be here"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "in support of your wonderful film."}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:34", "text": ">> Thank you very much. Have a good day."}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:36", "text": ">> Bye. Bye-bye."}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:37", "text": ">> Bye-bye."}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": ">> If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "check out the next one right here on The"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "Best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "this sphere"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "appears just materializes out of nowhere"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "right beside my right shoulder"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:08", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": ">> and I'm with two or three people and"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "they go we all see it"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": ">> and it's there it's in this dimension"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "and in a second it doesn't float away it"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "just vanishes"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": ">> and I turn to everyone I go they're here"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "but when you're dealing with a higher"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "order of physics both in telepathy let's"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "say in remote viewing but also in travel"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "you're not dealing in a straight line"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "universe"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": ">> the craft we saw was physical. It was"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "there. Now, it wasn't there and then it"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "was there and then it wasn't there. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": ">> What happened actually is we had um as"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "people got together, I said, \"Please be"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "quiet. Be quiet.\" And right outside the"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "circle, we heard four or five people,"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "not humans, talking. Look at what we're"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "doing to the planet, to mother earth."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "I don't know if you remember the"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "astronaut that I worked with I named"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Gordon Cooper."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Yeah. And and Gordon Cooper um when he"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "in 1956 he was up near Edwards"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": ">> and broad daylight one of these objects"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "lands out on a dry lake bed"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": ">> and his crew and his crew films it"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:20", "text": ">> and uh you know that's 56"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:23", "text": ">> 1956 I was one year old. Um while I was"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "talking to him, he and I were invited to"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "address there's a constitutional law"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "tends to be conservative group in"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "Washington called the Federalist"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Society. They pretty much appoint and"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "recommend all the Supreme Court and"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "federal judges um to the Republican uh"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "members of Congress and and presidents."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "But they had invited um and frankly I"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "don't care about left, right,"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "Republican, Democrat. this issue"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "transexs all those fracture lines."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": ">> But I was asked and along with Gordon"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Cooper to address them for one of their"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "annual meetings. I went, \"Wow, this is"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "interesting.\""}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Because they had heard that what I was"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "putting out was that it was after the"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "2001 press event, I believe."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Mhm. that these were illegal,"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "unconstitutional operations"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "because my team had gone around and"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "briefed all these senior people who had"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "been denied access. And so we wrote this"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "unless otherwise directed letter. And to"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "finish that story, what the letter the"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "punchline was, unless we are directed"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "otherwise, beginning January of 1998,"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "we're going to start moving to the"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "public top secret documents and"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "testimony. even though these people have"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "signed non-disclosure agreements for 70"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "years and that there will be no recourse"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "to punish them under the rule of law"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "because the projects managing it are"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "themselves illegal and since the"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "projects are illegal they cannot use the"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "law to prosecute anyone and the way an"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "UNOD letter works unless otherwise"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "directed letter works is that unless"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "they make an overt act and say you're"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "wrong."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "That letter stands and it was sent"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "return receipt requested to the head of"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "every agency, Department of Justice,"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "FBI, every armed service division, CIA,"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "NSA, etc. and so on."}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Yeah, I remember the letter. I remember"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "it. And to this date, as of this moment"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "right now, I have never received, nor"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "has anyone on my team who's a military"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "witness received a phone call or a visit"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "saying, \"Do not speak about this"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": ">> because we put them under this"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "umbrella.\" So, the next time you get"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "someone like that, Jan, who says that"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "they spoke to you and someone approached"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "them, send them over to me,"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:51", "text": ">> okay?"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Because here's what's going to happen."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "If they speak to us and they're"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "approached after that, whoever"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "approaches them is in the biggest world"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "of trouble. They they don't even want to"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "you don't even know what trouble they're"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "in."}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:03", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": ">> I'm being serious."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": ">> Yeah. No. So, I mean, none of these"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "guys, I have a guy that just defected uh"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "two years ago from the technology"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "management office, the subb of the"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "Pentagon, and he was read across 18"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "baseline clearance across 18 of these"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "newspapial"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "access projects."}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": ">> And he I mean, the stuff he shared, I"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "mean, we don't have time to go into, but"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "none of those people have ever been"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "approached and threatened. So, uh, you"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "know, I I just tell people you got to do"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "it right. You you've got to do it under"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "an umbrella where you have established"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "and asserted the legality or the"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "illegality of the unagnowledged special"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "access projects because otherwise people"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "are intimidated and they think law is"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "against them. In reality, the law is not"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "against them. The law is very much on"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "our side of disclosure and getting the"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "truth out."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:58", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": ">> That's that's something I can prove."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "It's something we've done for 20ome"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "years now. Well, in May 9th was the 19-y"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "year anniversary of the disclosure"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "project"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": ">> when we started moving a lot of this"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "stuff forward. So, yeah, I mean, you"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "know, people can still be nasty to you."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "Um, you mentioned Congressman Schiff got"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "about the same time he got cancer. As"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "you know, my best friend Perry Adamac,"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "who's helping me with this, got cancer."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "I got everyone died. I'm the only person"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "still alive. And then um the former CI"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "director who was trying to get us one of"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "these zero point technologies"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "named Bill Kby, he was CI director for"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Ford Nixon. He was old and retired. They"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "found him floating down the PTOIC River."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": ">> I remember that. Yeah. When I when I"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "read that story, I said he knew"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "something they didn't want anyone else"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "to know."}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": ">> Well, I felt very guilty about that"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "actually. But I mean, I didn't I"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "recommended that he go wide with this"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and not try to do it. he was going to"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "meet with a member of my board and hand"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "this off sort of clandestinely."}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": ">> But what I've told people is that you"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "cannot do this stuff in the darkness and"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "secrecy. You've got to do it fullon."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "Everyone's got to be watching. Uh I"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "don't know if you know this."}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Before I was known publicly, I went to a"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "MUON conference in 1990"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": ">> about the time I founded the Center for"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "the Study of Extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "Intelligence and and all that. And there"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "was a spook there, a intelligence"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "officer. They call them spooks."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": ">> And he was a lot like this the cigarette"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "man"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": ">> on the X Files do nominating the hair"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "and the"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:38", "text": ">> And he we go for a walk and he's I had"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "started talking to people what I was"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "planning to do with this project"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:48", "text": ">> especially C5 closers of the fifth kind."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "And he says, 'If you're going to do"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "that,"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "you need to get millions of people who"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "know who you are or you are, and I'm"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "quoting, a dead man walking."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": ">> And I thought the man was on crack or"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "something. He wasn't. He was telling the"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "truth. So I some things happened where I"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "I took what he said to heart and that's"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "why I ended up on Larry King"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": ">> and some of these shows even though I"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "was, you know, practicing as a an"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "emergency doctor. I mean, it's hardly"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "something someone, you know, running a"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "trauma an emergency wants to be all over"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "the news dealing with UFOs because, you"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "know, the people think you're not wound"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "too tight as as John Callahan said, the"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "FAA guy who's on our team."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": ">> But what I tell people is that,"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:40", "text": ">> you know, I took his advice and it was"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "good advice, but it still didn't protect"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "us from everything until later. Uh, we"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "got really good protection. So"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": ">> let me tell you, there are very good"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "people in these covert programs who want"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "to see this resolved."}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": ">> And I think Ben Rich stepping out that"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "little bit was the beginning of it."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": ">> I do too. I do too. I just I'm just sad"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "it's been 40 years almost and we're"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "still, you know, I don't know. I would"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "say we're closer to the truth, but we"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "could be a lot closer to the truth,"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Yep. We need to be much further along."}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "We sure move. Well, also I think what"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "was cool about, you know, the how, you"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "know, when you ask how are these things"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "going from this point in space time to"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "another"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": ">> and he he he kind of answered your"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "question with a question"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": ">> something I actually do a lot and and"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "you know he said how does ESP work"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": ">> and your answer was spot on and it has"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "to do with non-locality"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": ">> in physics you know which is the whole"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "last part of close encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "fifth kind is about consciousness"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": ">> and physics and entangle the"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "entanglement where nothing we we think"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "in a linear way all the time across"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "space. But when you're dealing with a"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "higher order of physics, both in"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "telepathy, let's say in remote viewing,"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "but also in travel, you're not dealing"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "in a straight line universe, right?"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "You're dealing in a holographic"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "universe that where one point is"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "connected to another, not through a"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "line, but like this, you know,"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "intimately."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> And that's how these these objects are"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "going from one star system to another."}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "And this is down to the level of the"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "equations. I know people I've met with"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "who've worked down at the Marshall Space"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "Flight Center and the Redstone Arsenal"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "in Alabama who have this worked out"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "literally what you said to the"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "equations. Yeah, I I met some of those"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "same people."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:34", "text": ">> Well, good."}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:34", "text": ">> And we're still using cars burning oil."}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "How brilliant."}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": ">> No, no, we have electric cars, but"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "they're tied into a power plant that's"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "burning coal."}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": ">> A power plant that's burning coal. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "Or natural gas, right?"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, we feel good about it."}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": ">> Yeah. It It's sort of a self-"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "congratulatory thing. Yeah, I I call"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "it's sort of like TSA is uh the people I"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "know at the CIA call it security theater"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:59", "text": ">> because they're so ineffective at"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "catching actual bombs and stuff,"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:02", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": ">> And a lot of those things are like"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "environmental theater,"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": ">> It it makes people feel good, but the"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "world's going to hell in a hand basket."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "We need to bring out these really"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "innovative high-tech solutions that have"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "been around for decades. I mean, the"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "fact that I have a man on my team who is"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "a rockolid scientist, top scientist, the"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "biggest department of defense lab in the"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "in the world at the Naval Research Labs"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "that Thomas Edison founded,"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:28", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:28", "text": ">> And he said, \"Yeah, that document"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "clearly stated we mastered gravity"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "control in October 1954.\" Now, I wasn't"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "even a twinkle in my father's eye then,"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "and I, you know, and I'll be 65 next"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "month. So, it's like that's how long"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "that we have gone past when we should"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "have and look at what we're doing to the"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "planet, to mother earth."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": ">> Well, that's that's exactly the the"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "thought that went through my head as a"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "10-year-old boy standing in my backyard"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "looking at a landing craft hovering 10"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "feet off the ground making a humming"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "noise uh with my brother was, \"Holy"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "Toledo, why aren't we building these"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "things? Look how look how advanced this"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "technology is. It's just phenomenal.\""}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "Oh, tell me about that story again. I"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "know you've shared it before and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "fascinating."}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": ">> Yeah. So, my my brother is uh I call him"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "Mr. Young Tesla. You know, he he knows"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "how to do stuff and he doesn't know how"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "he knows how to do it. Just it comes to"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "him. I mean, at the age of 80, he was"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "fixing the neighbors television sets. I"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "don't know how you would even how to do"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "that. But, um we had been following this"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "in the press uh back in the late 50s or"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "early 60s. uh the fact that flying"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "saucers were being seen all over the"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "United States. And we determined that"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "they were using some kind of"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "electromagnetic energy to to fly. So we"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "decided we're going to build a 30-foot"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "disc in our backyard with three pulsed"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "electromagnetic engines. And so we"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "designed this thing out on paper. My"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "mother took us to the store. Uh we were"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "waiting for her to do shopping. We found"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "a magazine rack and in the very bottom"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "right hand corner there was a book"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "called Flying Saucer Review. A little"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "magazine, little half-size magazine."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "Yep. So, we bought it for a buck, took"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "it home, and we're reading this thing,"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "and we're It says in there, \"These"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "flying saucers are seen around military"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "installations, nuclear power plants, and"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "places where anti-gravity research is"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "being done.\" So, we're just two little"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "kids. We look at each other. Well, we're"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "doing anti-gravity research. Maybe why"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "don't come here. Well, literally within"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "a month, I'm in my room in the morning,"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "6:30 on a Saturday, my brother comes in"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "and says, \"There's something going on in"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "the backyard. We need to get out there.\""}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "He he said they were playing around with"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "his screen. So, I said, \"Well, did you"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "look out the window to see?\" He said,"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "\"No, I didn't look out.\" So I said,"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "\"Well, I was at one end of the house, he"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "was at the other.\" So I said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "let's go down your room and take a"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "look.\" So we walked down, looked at his"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "window from the door jam, and there's no"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "no commotion, no nothing. So I said,"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "\"Well, let's go in the backyard and see"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "what's going on.\" Now, this was in late"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "uh midappril, late April, uh right"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "before the time changed. So there was"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "the sun was already up above the"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "horizon, so it was bright outside."}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": ">> What year was this?"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:50", "text": ">> This is 1965."}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:51", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": ">> And as we're walking down the hallway"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "where the bedrooms were, uh I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "back at him talking and he says, \"Look.\""}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "And I spin around. We had a wall of"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "windows uh in the living room and the"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "sun was coming in from behind it and I"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "didn't see anything. I said, \"What?\" And"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "he said, \"There was somebody standing"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "against the window.\" And when I told you"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "to look, they floated backwards. And I I"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "I thought that was weird, like floated"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "backwards. I didn't make any sense to"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "me. So I said, \"Well, let's go out in"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "the backyard.\" I thought he was I"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "thought he was actually just pulling my"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "leg. So we went into the garage. As we"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "walked out, I noticed the clock on the"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "wall, which is analog. It was both hands"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "were straight down, so it was 6:30."}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "Walked into the garage, which is"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "actually where I was living. and my dad"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "had turned it into a bunk room for other"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "reasons. We won't go into here. And I"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "went out in the backyard to the end of"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "the house, looked back through his"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "window, there's nothing there. So I'm"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "thinking, all right, you know, you got"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "me up, good for you. You got me up 6:30"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "in the morning on Saturday to go look at"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "nothing. So we turn around and go back"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "into the house and boom, right in front"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "of our eyes is this craft 30t away,"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "hovering 10 ft off the ground."}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:46", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": ">> It was uh ovalshaped. kind of like if"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "you took a brick and you blew it up to"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "10 feet by four feet by three feet tall"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "and you completely smooth the edges and"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "then you put four landing gear on it and"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "then between the landing gear there was"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "these crossbarss, brown crossarss with a"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "bolt in the center. So my first thought"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "was, \"Oh my gosh, these things are real."}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "I'm staring at this craft, right? It's"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "not on the ground. It's hovering in the"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "sky.\" And the second thought that was"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "through my mind, it looks like it's"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "man-made. Now, it could have possibly"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "been ours, but here's the thought. As I"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "stared at the craft, it was perfectly"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "smooth. It was metallic metal. It was"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "perfectly smooth. There was like not a"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "seam or a rivet in it. I don't think we"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "had the ability to bend metal back in"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "1965 without putting rivets or some kind"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "of a seam in it."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:30", "text": ">> And then the next thought that went"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "through my mind was, man, these these"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "beings must be really tiny because it's"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "only three feet tall. They must be"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "really short."}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": ">> Um, and then I thought, well, wait a"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "minute, there's no doors or windows on"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "this thing. How do they get in and out?"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": ">> Right? And and so at that point, I said"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "to my brother, I'm going to go get a"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "camera. I'll be right back. So I ran"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "into the garage, went to go into the"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "house, and we locked ourselves out. So I"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "begining on the door, and halfway"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "through my knocking because no one was"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "up in the house, my knocking, my I"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "noticed my hand goes dunk dunk like it's"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "like I do this dunk like like a like it"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "stopped and then it went, well, that's"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "weird. Two more knocks and my older"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "brother opens the door. I go bolting"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "past him as he says, \"What's going on?\""}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "And I said, \"Nothing.\" Cuz I didn't want"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "to stop and explain to him. I want to go"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "get the camera, get back out. So, I got"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "outside. He was up watching TV, by the"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "way, which is interesting because uh he"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "wasn't up when we went out like a minute"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "before. And if you remember the old TV"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "sets from the 60s, they were vacuum"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "tubes, right?"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": ">> And they were"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": ">> these cath ray tubes for the screen. It"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "took at least a minute or two for those"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "things to warm up. So, we went in the"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "backyard. Uh the the craft was gone. My"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "brother was standing on the swing set"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "looking out to the west and the craft"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "was gone. And I said, \"What happened?\""}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "And he said, \"Well, it just was frozen"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "there in the sky and then it slowly"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "started to drift away and then it just"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "went shot off. Just shot off over the"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "horizon.\" So I said, \"Okay.\" So we're"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "looking at each other like, \"Who are we"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "going to tell this dude? No one's going"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "to believe us. He's nine. I'm 10. You"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "know, we're just little kids.\" Um, so we"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "kind of just forgot about it. But in"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "going back and peeling it apart, uh,"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": ">> couple things come to mind. One is we"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "were at the end of the house. We should"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "have seen the craft when we walked out"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "and yet it wasn't there. And then it was"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "there. Boom."}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:09", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "How does that work? You know, and then"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "as I'm looking at it, why is it I"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "decided to go into the house and get a"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "camera? Because he believes, my brother"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "believes he was taken aboard. I have no"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "reason to doubt it u because of his life"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "and everything's gone on with him. Um"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "but as I was knocking, my knock stopped"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "and then continued. It's almost as if"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "they switched off time, right?"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": ">> And many years later, he said to me, \"Do"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "you realize that we lost two hours out"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "in the backyard?\" And I said, \"Why'd he"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "say that?\" And he says, \"Cuz when we"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "went out, it was 6:30. When we went back"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "in, it was after 8:00.\" And I said,"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "\"Well, how do you know that?\" He says,"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "\"Because Joel, our older brother, was"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "watching a program that didn't come on"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "till after 8:00.\" 8:00. So, um, now we"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "never really thought about it. And the"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "funny thing is we we completely lost"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "interest in building this crap that we"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "had designed. And we and we just kind of"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "lost interest in the whole subject. It"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "was like I went to school Monday"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "morning. I told my best friend Tom about"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "this. And he's listening to me as I tell"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "him the story. And I went in a lot of"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "detail and he's just staring at me,"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "staring at me. And so I finally paused."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "So he'll say something and you know what"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "he said?"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:13", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": ">> Do you want to go play baseball?"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:16", "text": ">> I mean couldn't didn't even register in"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "his brain."}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:19", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": ">> So I I realized right then and there you"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "could not talk to people about this"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "because they had no way in their"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "paradigm of of processing it."}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": ">> I just didn't talk about it for 20"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "years. I just it was my little secret."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:32", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": ">> As a lot of people do."}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "It was 50 years ago it happened, right?"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "Or 55 years ago. 55."}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": ">> Wow. Well, see, to me, that's a classic"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "story because the ETcraft are seamless"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "and they go in and out. Like the C5, you"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "look at the uh Close Encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "Fifth Kind movie, will have an object. I"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "don't know if a lot of people know this,"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "that there's an ET in that movie named"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "Biju."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": ">> Bi Ju,"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": ">> right? And that was at Joshua Tree uh a"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "few years ago, Joshua Tree National"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "Park. We're in the very center of the"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "park."}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "And we're taking a break because we've"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "been out for a few hours and people need"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "to get up, move around or whatever. Um"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "and I walked east from the geology tour"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "site we have down this sand path"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "and this sphere appears just"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "materializes out of nowhere right beside"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "my right shoulder."}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:30", "text": ">> Right? I'm with two or three people and"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "they go, we all see it"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": ">> and it's there. It's in this dimension"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "and in a second it doesn't float away."}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "It just vanishes."}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:39", "text": ">> And I turn to everyone, I go, they're"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:41", "text": ">> And we've been doing the remote viewing"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "and the inviting and the C5 protocols,"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "which those of you listening, if you"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "want to learn how to do this, there's an"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "app we just released called C5 contact"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "app, and it it takes you through the"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "whole process. Um, and you can do it."}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "Everyone can do this in their backyard"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "or wherever you're locked down. And so I"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "said, \"We need to get everyone back"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "together.\" So we had like 30 some people"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "there out in the desert in a circle. And"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "but as we're going back"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "now, you can't see anything. It's just"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "pitch black and people don't get this"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "from the movie because it's too much"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "detail. You have to edit everything out"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "for a two-hour movie to make it, you"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "know, viewable to the general public."}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "But what happened actually is"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "we had um as people got together, I"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "said, \"Please be quiet. Be quiet.\" And"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "right outside the circle, we heard four"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "or five people,"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "not humans, talking."}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": ">> Everyone heard them,"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "but you didn't see anything. And I had"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "military grade night scopes. So, I'm"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "looking over at where the sound's coming"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "from, which is maybe"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": ">> three feet outside our circle, and it's"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "just empty air."}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": ">> But everyone hears and most people heard"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "female voices, but there was one male"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "voice"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "and speaking not English or language"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "I've ever heard on Earth. And everyone's"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "going, \"Oh my god, they're here.\" I say,"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "\"Yeah, they're here. They're right here"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "partially in this dimension coming and"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "going.\" So my friend next to me, Raven,"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "who's in this documentary, Close to"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "Cameron of the Fifth Kind,"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:21", "text": ">> she had a camera, a a 35mm, and she just"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "held her breath and took a photo"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:28", "text": ">> and in the photo is this ET that turned"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "and is waving to us."}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:35", "text": ">> Uh, and that we then it it appeared and"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "disappeared. at sphere came back and"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "it's in the photo also but in a flash of"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "an eye. So I said we need to sit down"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "and meditate. So we had these electronic"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "we had a magn magnetometer that picks up"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "magnetic field changes and you zero it"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "so it's that baseline out in the desert."}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "So all of a sudden it starts going off"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "and it's this being using the"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "electronics."}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": ">> Mhm. Because whenever we've been out in"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "that area and they're in this dimension"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "too long, fighter jets are flown in and"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "and turn on their headlights all over"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "us."}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": ">> I mean, people don't know half of what"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "goes on on these expeditions. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "it's like cool stuff."}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "Um, so we're there doing this and this"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "ET is communicating"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "through these electronics and so we're"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "asking them questions and he's answering"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "and it turns out I did a series of"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "questions and he's from the Andromeda"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "galaxy which is two and a half million"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "lighty years from here"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "and uh and then we got his name. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "you know when I would get the"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "information, I would then speak it and"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "say, \"Am I correct? Your name is Biju.\""}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "And there'd be beep beep yes. One was"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "no, two was yes. We just had a very"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "simple code we worked out with the ETSs."}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "And this went on for about 45 minutes."}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "This communication, very specific,"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "very amazing."}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": ">> Mhm. So, you can take this quite far,"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "but you got to stay centered um and be"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "in that state of consciousness. It's"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "calm. But I always tell people these"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "these beings, they don't have to be in"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "3D to be all around you. That that's why"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "that being that floated your your"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "brother thought he saw them at the door."}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:22", "text": ">> That one you said that floated over,"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "they can just they can sort of"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "dematerialize come through a craft that"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "maybe wasn't even visible at that time"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "cuz you looked in the yard. It may not"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "even been in this dimension. It might"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "have just been shifted beyond what I"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "call the crossing point of light. You"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "know, everything that's resonating"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "beyond light speed, which takes you into"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "the realm of thought."}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": ">> Well, well, the craft"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:48", "text": ">> and consciousness. Yeah. But that the"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "craft we saw was physical. It was there."}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "Now, it wasn't there and then it was"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "there and then it wasn't there. So,"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "yeah."}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:56", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": ">> That's what Corso described, by the way."}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:59", "text": ">> Yeah. You know, Colonel Corso wrote the"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "day after Roswell when he was at White"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Sands, there was this craft that was on"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "radar and they went out. It had gone"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "down on the range and he went out in a"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "jeep and it would be it was broad"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "daylight"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:13", "text": ">> and it would appear and and then it"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "would dematerialize right in front of"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "him"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": ">> and all he would see would be, you know,"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "like when there's heat rising off the"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "road like a mirage in the desert. It"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "would sort of field distortion effect"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:27", "text": ">> where but in the shape of the craft"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "vaguely"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:30", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": ">> and then it would pop back into this"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "dimension and then dematerialize. It did"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "this several times and then it"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "stabilized"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": ">> and that's that whole experience you"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "know when he said you know"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "the ET was asking for some help with us"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "stopping targeting them and killing them"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "and he said what's in it for me and the"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "ET says a new world if you can take it."}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:52", "text": ">> Yeah. That's how we end this"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "documentary."}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": ">> That story beautiful."}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:57", "text": ">> And that I think that was in 56. It was"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "in the 50s. Mid to late 50s. But see"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "back then a lot of people say well you"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "know now in 2020"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "we have so many technologies. This is"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "one of the reasons we need to keep space"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "free of all weapon systems because we"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "have technologies"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "that are a hundred generations evolved"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "past what was turned on at Roswell that"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "knocked those craft down at Roswell that"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "we have. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:28", "text": ">> And so when you're doing C5,"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": ">> they may or may not come into 3D"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:34", "text": ">> because the systems that we have in"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "space and on land and in the air and"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "under the water are so developed that"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "they could be targeted when they're, you"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "know, 3D. But if they're in fifth"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "dimension, if they're in some other"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "dimension,"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": ">> y then they just pop in and out, it's"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "much safer for them and for us. So I"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "always tell people when you're doing C5,"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "you got to learn what I call this whole"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "concept of ETSs and the new cosmology."}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "It's a chapter in my first book because"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "we've got to understand that the cosmos"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "is this quantum qu conscious hologram"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:09", "text": ">> where everything's connected. But a a"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "full 3D craft like you said said you saw"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "doesn't have to stay 3D. It can it can"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "be 3D and then vanish into another"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "dimension and come back and forth. So"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "imagine if you're out under the stars,"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "there could be something there with not"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "illuminated like a aircraft that"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "appears. You might just see the"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "moonlight on it and then it shifts and"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "it's dematerialized but it's still"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "there. The key thing is it's still"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "there. It's just that your eyes can't"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "pick it up. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:40", "text": ">> Now, what's interesting,"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "a lot of the new cameras,"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:44", "text": ">> infrared,"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": ">> that have the digital light sensors, the"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "CCDs and stuff, they will pick it up"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "more than your eye. So, I tell people"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "experiment with these cameras because"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "you can get some amazing stuff when"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "you're doing C5 contact."}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:26:00", "text": ">> Yeah. But they say that the uh the"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "reason our uh military people have been"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "able to pick up these tic tacs whether"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "is off following the nuclear fleet is"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "because of the new radar in the F-18s."}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "Right. It's a forwardlooking infrared"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "radar that it's obviously a better"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "enhancement than the past version which"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "now all of a sudden is showing these"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "craft pretty much everywhere. Right."}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:21", "text": ">> Right. Oh, well they're all over the"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "place and a lot of them unfortunately,"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "you know, I always ask the question, is"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "it ET or is it one of ours?"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Because uh if you're a jet pilot"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "and that's what you're read into is an"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "F817 or"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:35", "text": ">> you know a V2 stealth or F-18 or Hornet"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "or whatever, you are not none of those"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "guys are read into the man-made UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "the ones that are anti-grav. So they"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "would have no foundation for knowing"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:50", "text": ">> that those things even exist and could"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "be made at the"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:52", "text": ">> Works."}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:54", "text": ">> You see what I'm saying?"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, so it's it's it's a little bit"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "complicated because we everyone assumes"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "that if you're and this was my learning"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "curve back in the 90s is that you know"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "the assumption a normal person would"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "have and this is normal"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:10", "text": ">> that if you're the president of the CIA"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "director or the head of the defense"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "intelligence agency or whatever or a"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "member of the Senate intelligence"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "committee that goes into a skiff a"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "secure communication information"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "facility that's sealed away from"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "electromagnetic signal for spying that"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "you know to get a briefing that those"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "people know about this stuff."}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": ">> They don't. And that's the big myth out"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "there is that this the unagnowledged"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "special access projects are so wrapped"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "up that you know I I couldn't believe"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "the level of of uh officers and people"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "in government."}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": ">> That didn't know that everyone would"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "assume did. And then the ones who know a"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "little bit the nature of what's called"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "TSSCI, top secret special compartmented"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "information"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": ">> is that you may have a topsecret"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "clearance and you may be even aware of a"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "certain unagnowledged special access"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "project, but it doesn't mean you're"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "clear to all the other compartments."}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": ">> You see, and that's where it really gets"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "difficult. And what what I've been doing"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "with you know for 30 years is meeting"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "with people in those projects who don't"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "know each other but have been in various"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "compartments and trying to put together"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "this"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": ">> mosaic this puzzle"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:27", "text": ">> to to figure out where things are, how"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "they're operating, what the"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "architecture, the secrecy is,"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:32", "text": ">> who knows and why."}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:35", "text": ">> So why are some CI directors read into"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "this and others aren't? Well, I"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "discovered the ones who knew had come up"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "through the system and the ones that are"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "newbies that they don't trust yet, they"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "don't tell them anything,"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:46", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:47", "text": ">> So, it isn't your rank. Everyone thinks"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "it's because you're you have this"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "office."}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:51", "text": ">> No,"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": ">> it isn't that. It it's it's whether you"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "came up through the system and they"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "trust you to be a secret keeper or not."}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": ">> Yeah. So, so I think our challenge is"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "how do we get this technology that we"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "know exists somewhere in the black world"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "out into the white world where we could"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "use it. And that was exactly what Ben"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "Rich was talking about in his talk was"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "we need to take this technology, we need"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "to get it out for commercial use."}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "There's no reason to keep it hidden"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "anymore. And that was 37 years ago. So,"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "it was true 37 years ago. It's even more"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "true today."}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:23", "text": ">> Yep. Well, that's what everybody was"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "telling me in the early 90s. Here we are"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "in 2020,"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:27", "text": ">> right? with uh you know a collapsing"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "biosphere and we're still fighting over"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "oil and nonsense,"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:33", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": ">> So I think that honestly it isn't going"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "to happen from the corporate and"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "government sector. It's going to happen"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "from us."}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": ">> So what what you know as you you know my"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "story I finally said screw it,"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:44", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:45", "text": ">> Disclosure ourselves. We're going to"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "make contact ourselves. And eventually"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "the third part of the project is why"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "it's this triangle. There's contact,"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "disclosure, and the a new energy,"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:58", "text": ">> The three points. But that po point is a"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "heavy lift because if someone doesn't"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "hand off an operating system to you,"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:05", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": ">> which no one's ever done. I've seen"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "some, but they don't want to. Everyone"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "thinks they're going to be able to bring"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "this stuff out like you would a another"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "iPhone and keep secret or patent it. You"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "can't."}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:16", "text": ">> So, we have never I I'm telling people"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "we're going to have to take the lead on"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "that. Also the public are going to have"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "to start you know like all these big"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "Silicon Valley firms have incubator"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "funds"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:31", "text": ">> where they have you know 50 million or"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "100 million in a fund to do some"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "research and explore ideas and develop"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "new technologies. Well, we need one. If"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "anyone's listening in Silicon Valley who"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "has this kind of money, we need one to"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "do this just on these technologies that"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "explain how UFOs are get are getting"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "energy from spaceime and also how they"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "move. And that needs to be open source."}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "It needs to be on the internet in real"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "time. It cannot be a patent. It cannot"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "be monetized initially. It's got to be a"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "a a technology that's open source like"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "they did with GitHub and for software"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "and u but unfortunately we've never had"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "the resources and funding to do that"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "because that's that's not you know by"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "the way thank everyone for funding this"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "film it was crowdfunded"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "and if you can of those of you listening"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "the way we've been getting the word out"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "about it you know we've been number one"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "in the world on iTunes and Amazon and"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "whatnot um is we we're raising the funds"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "to get the word out the distributor"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "doesn't pay for that. Everyone thinks"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "that these distribution firms pay for"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "the marketing and getting the word out."}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "No, no, we're doing that. So, we raised"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "the money for the movie. Now, we're"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "trying to get enough to keep the word"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "going out. So, um if you go to"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "c5film.com,"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "it's a crowdfunding site and you know,"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "depending on how much you give, you get"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "certain gifts and incentives and you can"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "get a copy of the film or whatever. Um"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "but we're still doing that. So, those of"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "you who can help us because um I think"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "we've already spent"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "maybe $200,000"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "on trying to get the word out on this."}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "Um we need people tweeting and"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "Facebooking and youtubing and um now"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "luckily some celebrities like Demi"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "Lovado and others have tweeted out about"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "the film, but we really need a lot of"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "people to help do that. So, it's all"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "networking. So, anyone who can help us,"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "um, you know, again, we don't we don't"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "have an office or a staff. We just what"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "we raise goes to people who can get"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "things done, whether it's making a movie"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "or getting the word out. Uh, my wife and"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "I here work in a corner of our living"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "room, and that's it."}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:40", "text": ">> We don't have a fancy office like you"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "do, bro."}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:43", "text": ">> I don't know. It's that fancy, but it"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "works."}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:46", "text": ">> It works. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": ">> So, make sure everyone reports their"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "sightings to MUON. Uh, we get 500 to"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "a,000 a month and I would say about 5%"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "of them end up being something unusual"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "that could possibly not be from here."}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "But it's always great working with you,"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "Stephen. Thank you for having me on the"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "show."}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:01", "text": ">> I really appreciate it. It's always a"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "great conversation and I've I've uh I've"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "enjoyed knowing you all these years and"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "um yeah, it's been like a quarter of a"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "century since we met"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:12", "text": ">> or more."}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:13", "text": ">> Or more. Yeah. Well, thank you so much"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "and uh really appreciate your time and"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "good luck with your work and hope to see"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "you in California soon at the if we can"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "get out of lockdown here."}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:25", "text": ">> Yeah, I got to shout out to Tyler who's"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "a volunteer here at the office who's"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "doing C5 work and uh"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:30", "text": ">> Oh, great."}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:31", "text": ">> Very interesting stuff he's coming up"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "with. So,"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:33", "text": ">> Oh, good. Good."}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:35", "text": ">> Yeah. We need more people doing that"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "because the whole idea we didn't get to,"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "we ran out of time. is this 1% effect in"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "consciousness like in quantum physics."}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "If enough people do this,"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": ">> uh, it shifts our total civilization."}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:49", "text": ">> If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "We now have the technology to take ET"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "home."}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": ">> There are uh two types of of UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "man-made and I'm quoting"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "extraterrestrial."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": ">> We now know how to travel to the stars"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "and it's not going to take us our"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "lifetime to do it."}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": ">> We had mastered gravity control at least"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "to the point that we could get lift and"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "under controlled situation. What I have"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "found is the more they know, the more"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "they're followed, these CIA officers"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "that were at his talk, and the more they"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "are literally to the moment of death."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "And even if they're under anesthesia,"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> we get witnesses who come forward to"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "share some pretty startling stories. And"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "the next thing we get from them is, \"Did"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "you say anything?\" Cuz two guys just"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "came to my house, told me to shut up."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "So, you know, or reminded me of my oath."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "remember I personally briefed the"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "senator from Nevada who of course is"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "where Area 51 is,"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Um and Senator Richard Bryant met with"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "him personally. He had absolutely no"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "knowledge."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Hello everyone and welcome to this uh"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "show. I'm very proud to have uh Jan"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "Harzan who's the international director"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "of Mufon on with me. He's been a great"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "friend for many many years and thank you"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "Jan for being with us."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Delighted to be here. Thank you Stephen"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "for inviting me."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah, I care when we met. We met in the"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "90s."}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": ">> Yeah, early 90s. We've known each other"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "at least 25, maybe even 30 years."}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:29", "text": ">> I know."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:30", "text": ">> And we're still young."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": ">> That's right. Look at us. You go, girl."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "We're doing it. So, it's great. I really"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "appreciate you taking the time and um"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "you know I those of you who've seen"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. If"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "you haven't, you should you know take a"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "look at it. Um uh Jan Harzan is in there"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "talking about a very interesting event"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "that happened with the head of the"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Lockheed Skunk Works. So I just want to"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "let people know what that is. Uh Loheed"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Martin is a very big uh aerospace"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "company contracts with the US"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "government. Uh their skunk works is"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "really their classified cutting edge"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "aerospace engineering uh division and"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "they have a big facility up near uh not"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "far from Edwards Air Force Base uh"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "around Palmdale, Lancaster, that area uh"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "up in the high desert of California um"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "east of LA. And uh what what is"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "interesting is uh I I remember uh I"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "think Jan you said you went to uh UCLA"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "school of engineering and there was a"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "talk going on there. You want to you"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "know tell people how this meeting"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "happened or with the director of the"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "skunk works."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Exactly. It was just it was by happen"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "stance. I mean one day um I was a donor"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "to the school of engineering every year"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "you know some of money and you become a"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "balter associate. So what they would do"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "is they'd put on two or three events a"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "year uh for the from the alumni and and"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "I got a letter in the mail basically"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "saying you know and I believe it was"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "March 23rd 1993 was the exact date uh"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "that Ben Rich uh who had recently"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "retired from the Locking Skunk Works was"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "going to become and sharing his uh his"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "his um history there if you will his his"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "time there right"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:13", "text": ">> um"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:14", "text": ">> I thought that was rather interesting"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "because here's a guy who's working at"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "top secret stuff Uh, and I might even"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "mention during his talk, one of the"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "things he talked about was the F-17,"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "which actually flew, I think for the"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "first time in 1984,"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "if I'm not mistaken. And we didn't even"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "know about it till 1994. But what's"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "interesting to me, that means it's been"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "almost 40 almost 50 years since Aki"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "Skunk Works uh, has produced an"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "airplane, which I find very hard to"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "believe, or a craft,"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": ">> So, so think about that. Right."}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": ">> But I I got this in the mail and I I"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "reached out to my friend Tom Keller who"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "also went to the UCI School of"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "Engineering."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Yes, I knew him. Yes."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:56", "text": ">> And I said, \"Hey, Tom, you want to go to"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "this lecture because I' i've got this"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "invitation? I'm sure I could take a"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "friend.\" And he said, \"Sure.\" So, we"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "showed up. Uh it was in I think the"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "alumni building, if I recall correctly,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "there were about 200 engineer alumni"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "there. Uh most of them from the"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "aerospace industry who came to hear Ben"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "talk. And Tom and I put ourselves right"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "in the front row."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Great."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:17", "text": ">> So Ben spent a good hour and a half"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "going through a 40 or 50 slide set of"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "all the aircraft that had been built by"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "uh Lock Skunk Works since he had joined"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "back in the early 60s maybe late 50s. He"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "started with the U2 spy plane. Of"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "course, he talked about the SR71, which"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "is the craft that he personally was in"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "charge of, right, that propelled him to"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "become the new CEO after uh uh Kelly. Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "and he hit on a couple different points"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "in his talk. Uh this is just the normal"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "talk he gave. One of them was that he"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "there were a lot of aircraft that they"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "built that were one-of-a-kind prototypes"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "that never got produced, which I found"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "fascinating,"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": ">> which he shared with us. And the other"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "was uh that he made the claim that there"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "are no secrets in the world. And I I"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "thought that was interesting that he"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "made that comment. This is pre 911 that"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "there were no secrets in the world. He"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "also made a very strong stand that the"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "secrecy that they were put under uh at"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "the lock skunk works. He talked about"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "being on the floor uh the manufacturing"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "floor which was basically a just a place"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "where they built in single planes and"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "there would be two men, you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "basically in black. They were guys in"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "their suits with their sunglasses on who"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "would stand in the corner in the shadow"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "and just watch them the whole time. And"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "he felt that was a little bit over the"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "top based on the fact that in 1989, four"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "years prior, that the Berlin Wall had"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "fallen down. And so he was making the"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "case that, hey, we've had all had to"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "have all these secrets because of the"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Cold War. Now that there's no Cold War,"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "why are we keeping all these secrets?"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "And he was very much about getting"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "information out to the public."}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": ">> I could sense that in his talk. But the"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "most startling thing to Tom and I was"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "his last slide was a black disc zipping"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "off into outer space. Now, these were"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "slides, so someone had, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "manufactured this slide. Uh, and he"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "ended the talk with a with a quote, \"We"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "now have the technology to take ET home,"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:18", "text": ">> right?\""}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": ">> And the entire audience burst out"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "laughing. They thought he was making a"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "joke. And Tom and I just looked at each"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "other. We said, \"Did he really just say"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "that?\" I mean, we're looking at each"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "other like like we're dumbfounded he"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "would say something like that. Um, so"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "afterwards, there was a plight Q&A"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "lasted about 15 minutes. And then of"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "course the meeting adjourned and about"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "20 of us uh gathered around"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "uh Ben and we started asking questions"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "and so at first they were very nice"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "questions but eventually a lady said so"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "tell me about this propulsion system"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "that's going to get us to the stars and"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "he looks around to see who's there. He"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "actually made a comment in the actual"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "regular meeting that he noticed two CIA"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "people who were there to watch him. He"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "actually said that. He actually said"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Wow. Um"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "so she asked him about how this works"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "and he started to divulge some things."}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "He talked about well you know how we"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "built stealth uh the F-17. He says it"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "was all based on a Russians"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "mathematician you know equations and our"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "engineers took those equations and we"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "figured out what a craft would have to"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "look like to evade radar and that's why"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "you have the F17 looks so weird. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "all angular. Um he said, \"Well, we've"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "figured out the air and the equations"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "and we now know how to travel to the"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "stars and it's not going to take us our"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "lifetime to do it.\" So, we're like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "eyes wide open. We're listening to this"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "whole thing.\""}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": ">> And uh he just went on and on about"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "these things. And he would always be"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "looking around to see who was there. Uh"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "you know, see if anyone was listening to"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "him. And there was one guy there from"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Aviation and Space Week magazine. And I"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "know he was being very careful what he"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "said because he didn't want it to end up"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "in in Aviation Space Week. Um but when"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "he left and as he's walking out uh and"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "he said some other things too but as"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "he's walking out I by now the crowd had"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "dwindled down to about five people. Uh I"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "followed him through the room and I"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "caught him towards the back of the room"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "and I said Ben I said I'm Jan Harz and I"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "said really enjoyed your talk. Uh I'd"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "like to know more about how this"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "propulsion works. I it's fascinating to"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "me. He looks at me he's like like who"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "are you? And he's looking around like"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "who's this guy? And he said well let me"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "ask you a question. How does ESP work?"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "And I I thought, I don't know. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "so I first thing that popped in my head"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "was all points in space and time are"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "connected. So I blurted it out. I don't"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "know. All points in space and time are"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "connected. He said, that's how it works."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "He turned around and walked out. Um that"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "was my conversation with the guy."}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Yep. That's awesome. And that's exactly"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "right. You know, the whole thing about"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "the desk going out in the space. Um do"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "you think that that was a drawing or a"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "photo?"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": ">> No, it was definitely a drawing. It was"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "a It was a rendering. Someone had"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "rendered it,"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": ">> right? But it was that shape."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": ">> It Yeah, it was a black disc and it was"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "literally you could see the swish marks"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "where the artist made look like it's"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:09:00", "text": ">> off into space, you know,"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": ">> It was a good talk. My understanding is"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "he also did the same talk uh at Wright"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "Patterson uh to a group of of military"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> And I think Michael Shred actually has a"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "copy of that talk which I'm I'm trying"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "to get for our files as well. Oh yeah,"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "definitely get that."}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:20", "text": ">> Ben uh at the time was in the process of"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "writing a book called The Locking Skunk"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Works and um I bought the book"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": ">> and it was first edition book and I read"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "it cover to cover and he didn't really"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "say anything about anything secret but"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "there were two words in the entire book"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "that were italicized. You know what"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "those words were?"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": ">> One was UFO wasn't it?"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": ">> One was UFO the other was alien. Right"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": ">> now, the sentences were like, you know,"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "people claimed that this looked like a"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "UFO and, you know, um people thought it"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "was alien, you know, or something to"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "that effect, but I mean, why do you"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "atalicize those two words? I think he"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "was trying to pass a message to us."}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:58", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": ">> That's what I got out of it anyway."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely. And he he certainly"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "knew more than he could talk about with"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "some CIA officers in the back of the"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "room."}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, and you know, those sort of"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "guys have almost always showed up at"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "talks I give."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Um, and they're always, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "curious and sometimes they'll say"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "something, sometimes they won't,"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": ">> But, you know, did did they interact"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "with Ben at all when he made this?"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": ">> No. No. I I I didn't know who he was"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "looking. He was looking at someone. He"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "was just looking out in the room and he"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "said, \"Yo, I see two of my CI CIA"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "friends are here today to listen to me.\""}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:34", "text": ">> Right. And I'm sure they were just"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "trying to make sure he didn't say"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "anything he wasn't supposed to say,"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": ">> right? Or if he did, that they could"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "contain it. Um,"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": ">> not go too far off the reservation,"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": ">> right? And and he I could tell during"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "this private Q&A that we had that he was"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "looking around trying to figure out who"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "was around him and when he was saying"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "things, he was very careful about how he"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "said it. Um, but the other thing was,"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "you know, I I followed up I I asked him,"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "well, I followed up about two weeks"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "later. I I literally looked in the phone"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "book under the Ben Rich in Ventura where"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "I lived and he was in there."}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": ">> Ben Rich and I thought, \"Wow.\" I mean,"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "he lived in Oxnard at the time. And so I"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "called him and he answers the phone and"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "I said, \"Hey, Ben.\" I said, \"This is Jan"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "Harz. You probably don't remember me,"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "but I I I heard you speak two weeks ago"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "at UCLA and I thought you did a great"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "job. I said, \"I'd love to have you come"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "and speak to our group.\" I didn't tell"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "him was mof at the time, but I and he"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "said, \"Oh, yeah, yeah. I'd love to come"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "talk to your group.\" He says, \"Um, I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "writing a book. It's getting released"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "here shortly and I'm on a a big radio"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "tour across the country and when I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "done with that I I'll come back to you."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "But I got to tell you, I'm battling"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "cancer and it's slowing me down quite a"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "bit. And so I said, \"Okay.\" I said,"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "\"When should I check back with you?\" He"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "said, \"Why don't you call me in six"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "months?\""}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": ">> Well, I called him back probably more"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "like a year later and he was deceased."}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:53", "text": ">> He was gone."}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Tragic."}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Yeah. It's interesting. That was in you"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "said March of 93 and that was around the"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "time that uh I had been approached by"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "folks with the new president at that"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "time was Clinton got inaugurated in"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "January"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": ">> 93 and as you know my briefing for the"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "director of the CIA was in December of"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "93 1993"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": ">> and um so that whole era there were"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "let's call them cracks in the wall"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:24", "text": ">> and after the fall of the Berlin all and"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Um"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "uh there were a lot of people I found"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "who had approached me back in 9192 93"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "who were minimal to the idea of this"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "information coming out"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:42", "text": ">> and u it looked like there was going to"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "be sort of a a sort of a day in it or"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "domestically"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:51", "text": ">> and sort of a glass nose an opening"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:54", "text": ">> uh in the United States like there had"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "been in the old Soviet Union with the"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "collapse of the Berlin wall and"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "elsewhere u the whole dissolution of the"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "Soviet Union that occurred. But, you"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "know, interestingly, the the initiatives"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "that started in that era and he may have"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "just been sticking his toe in the water"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "a little bit with that revelation."}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": ">> Seemed like um really got cut off at the"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "knees. And I know that after I briefed"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "the CIA director, of course, prior to"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "that, notwithstanding since then the CIA"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "director has denied the meeting ever"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "took place, which is typical of"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "Washington. I always tell people, how do"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "you know they're lying?"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "Their lips are moving."}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:40", "text": ">> Right."}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": ">> Right. That's how you know they're lying"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "in Washington. Um, if their lips are"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "moving, they're lying. So, uh, as a"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "rather unfavorable commentary, I just"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "got back from DC last night, so I sort"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "of have this,"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": ">> you know, there's good people there."}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": ">> Oh, there are a few a few good people."}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "Uh but my point is is that uh the letter"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "I got from the contact I had to the CIA"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "director said you're going to be the"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "first person to brief the director of"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "the CIA because he and the president"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "have made specific inquiries into the"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "UFO subject and have been denied access"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "and denied information."}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "Now you know at the time honestly I"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "think probably like a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "listening went that can't be true"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": ">> true it's very very highly compartmented"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "and they did not want this particular"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "president to know and of course later I"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "found out from disclosure project"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "witnesses that when Carter in 76 got"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "elected during the transition between"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "November and January when he was"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "inaugurated uh the outgoing director of"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "the CIA was uh George Bush senior George"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "HW Bush,"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:50", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": ">> And in fact, if you go to the CIA now,"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "it's the George Bush, you know, CIA"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "center,"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:56", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:56", "text": ">> Who um is named after him. And he was on"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "the committee dealing with the secrecy,"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "but Wolsey wasn't at the time. I can't"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "say that now, but at the time, because"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "it was still a few months after he was"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "just a few months after he was"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "appointed,"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:12", "text": ">> right,"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": ">> and nominated and and confirmed by the"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "Senate. So, which is when I I met with"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "him and I really thought that that was a"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "ruse. I in my own heart of hearts, I"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "thought this cannot be true,"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:25", "text": ">> Um, but it was true. And uh it turns out"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "that Carter had the same thing happen"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "that that when he made it asked uh the"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "CI director outing George Bush senior to"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "tell him about UFOs uh he said I'm not"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "going to tell you anything about this"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:45", "text": ">> but if you want to find out about it see"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "if you can get it from the Congressional"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "Research Service. And you know the story"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "that Marshia Bloom there then contacted"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "uh Daniel Sheen who's also in Close"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "Encounters of the Fifth Kind um to look"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "into it uh through the Vatican because"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "the Congressional Research Service had"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "very little information. Although he"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "eventually did get to see top secret"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "documents and photos of a crashed uh ET"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "craft and what have you. uh as you know"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "uh she was able to see that and he was"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "able to just sort of like go into a"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "place see it get some information and"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "leave but uh that in of itself is a"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "really interesting story but imagine you"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "know here you have the incoming"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "president of the United States being"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "denied access and as you know uh you may"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "remember this you probably have it in"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "the muon archives is that Carter was"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "governor of uh Georgia and he actually"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "had a UFO sighting and filed UFO report."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "There's an official report signed. You"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "know, Jimmy Carter, governor of Georgia,"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": ">> I don't know if you've seen it, but it's"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": ">> No, we have a copy of it. Yes."}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": ">> Yeah. It's fascinating. So, you know,"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "this sort of thing. So, when you I think"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "about Ben Rich talking in 93, March of"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "93, and"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "it makes me wonder"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "um how old was he at that time? Do you"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "know?"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": ">> Uh who's this again? Wy or"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:10", "text": ">> Ben? Ben Rich."}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:13", "text": ">> Oh, Ben. Gosh, he was in his 70s. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "probably about He was in his 70s."}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:19", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:22", "text": ">> I can check it real fast. I was just"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "doing a look up on Woolseie here. Let me"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "do a look up look up on uh"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": ">> Well, it doesn't matter. Anyway, he But"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "he was retired at that point from the"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "skunk works."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": ">> Yeah, he had he had retired after 40"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "years. I built the skunk works and um he"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "want he wanted to sh think about it. If"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "your life work is about doing this"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "phenomenal stuff, but it's always been"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "kept secret. You can't talk to your"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "spouse about it. Can't tell your kids"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "about it. Tell your friends about it."}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": ">> I would think you're bursting at the"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "seams to tell somebody the great stuff"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "that you and your teammates"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": ">> did at the Logging Skunk Works. But, you"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "know, they're all sworn to secrecy."}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": ">> Yep. Absolutely. And and I know that you"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "know I know other people who worked in"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "those projects for Northrup Grumman uh"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "for uh Naval Research Labs for SIC"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:12", "text": ">> um EG&G you know one of the some of the"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "early man-made anti-grav"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": ">> devices were actually made by EG&G on"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "the outskirts of the Nellis range"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "so-called Area 51."}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:25", "text": ">> Way back. I mean we're going you know"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "way way back."}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:28", "text": ">> Yeah. um they were high voltage systems"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "that would cause lift and uh that"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "actually goes back uh to I have a a"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "colleague who's who's since passed away"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "uh who is the top scientist at the Naval"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Research Labs"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:47", "text": ">> in Washington and he uh his name is Rick"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "Foch Fo he's passed away now"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:54", "text": ">> but he actually got into the so-called"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "vault that had all these top secret"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "documents about this"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": ">> um and not redacted, blackened out."}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:04", "text": ">> And he saw a document that uh explained"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "that in October of 1954"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "we had mastered gravity control at least"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "to the point that we could get lift and"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "under a controlled situation. So between"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "54"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "and now there have been multiple"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "generations of these that are made which"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "is why a lot of people will see these"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "objects and I always tell people"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "this is a document I think you said"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "you've seen this this is from Ben Rich"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": ">> from 19"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "uh 86 so that would have been seven"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "years before he spoke to you and he was"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "replying to a man uh named John Andrews"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "who had asked him uh was he was it"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "correct that he had said that there are"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "uh two types of of UFOs, man-made and"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "I'm quoting extraterrestrial. And Ben"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "Ben Rich writes back, \"Yes,"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "they're both.\" So,"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:04", "text": ">> um and that was in ' 86. So, you know,"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "we know uh that Ben Rich certainly knew"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "that there were actual ET ones, but he"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "also knew there were ones that were"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "man-made. Um and he very curiously says"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "we call them UFOs, unfunded"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "opportunities."}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": ">> Now what that means is that that you"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "know there they have a number of them"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "but they were never put public where you"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "know we're still using jets and rockets"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "from you know the 30s 40s 50s. Um, you"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "know, I think we're high-tech when we"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "jump on a Dreamliner to Boeing,"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": ">> but uh I I I remember uh it was it Peter"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "Teal who co-ounded PayPal with Elon Musk"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "and he said, you know, it still takes"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "the same amount of time to fly from JFK"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "to Paris or something like that now as"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "it did in 1964."}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:56", "text": ">> Using the same, you know, burning fuel,"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "doing this and doing that. So, you know,"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "we're this is where I get up this idea"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "that we sort of have a lost century of"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "technology and development because of"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "the secrecy. And I I I'm sure that uh"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "Ben Rich uh if he was up in those years."}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "I didn't realize he was that old when he"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "spoke to you guys."}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:20", "text": ">> Well, you know what? I just I just"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "checked that. So, he passed away January"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "5th, 1995 at 69. So, he would have been"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "67 when he spoke to you."}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:28", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. 67. So that you know, but"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "still that's that that means that he he"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "really probably felt that this is"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "something that needed to get dealt with"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "because his letter in '86 to a friend uh"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "said that you know these were unfunded"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "opportunities, UFOs. Uh, and I think"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "that, you know, a lot of people I know"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "who've worked in these projects have"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "carried the weight of, uh, I know when I"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "first did the gathering in 1995"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:56", "text": ">> at Ayamar in California with astronaut"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "Edgar Mitchell and some of the"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "cosminauts from the from Russia. And you"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "may not know about this meeting, but it"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "was one we organized. It was a private"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "meeting. Um, and it was back when we had"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "something called Project Starlight."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": ">> So, if you go to the Clinton"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Presidential Library and do a foyer,"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "you'll get documents about Project"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "Starlight."}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": ">> That was the project I started to pull"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "together some of these insiders and"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "bring it out to the public."}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:30", "text": ">> So, we had our first meeting of I think"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "it was about 10 or maybe 15 uh top"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "secret guys who'd worked on these"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "projects."}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "um in various ways not just US but also"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "from the Soviet Union and um Marita"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "Povich Papel Pavovich's uh wife was"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "there because he was the first man in"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "space for the Soviet I mean uh he was"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "one not the first but one of the top uh"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "astronauts he's sort of like Neil"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "Armstrong is for us as Povich and his"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "but Marina also was a cosminaut"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:05", "text": ">> right"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:06", "text": ">> she was there and we had all kinds of"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "interesting discussions"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "that was all taped and videotaped, but"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "someone that we entrusted to um document"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "that"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": ">> stole all the tapes and we've never"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "retrieved them."}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:20", "text": ">> Sounds like some other things I know"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "about."}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, it was someone"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "appearing to be a helpful person"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": ">> who was actually operating"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "clandestinely. And of course, this has"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "happened too many times for me to"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "recount. It's too depressing. But"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "anyway, my point is that was in '95"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "and uh you know by 2001 we did the"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "National Press Club disclosure event"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "because I concluded that neither the"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "president nor the uh Congress were was"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "going to do anything about this. Um and"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "we decided to go public um and and sort"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "of go move it into the public domain as"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "much as we could as a volunteer"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "nonprofit group. Um, so that's how that"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "happened. But, uh, you know, it would"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "have been great to have had someone like"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "Ben Rich there,"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": ">> but people at that level, what I have"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "found is the more they know,"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "the more they're followed, these CIA"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "officers that were at his talk, and the"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "more they are literally to the moment of"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "death, and even if they're under"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "anesthesia, they are monitored that they"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "don't blurt things out,"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": ">> right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "absolutely. We get witnesses who come"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "forward to share some pretty startling"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "stories and the next thing we get from"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "them is did you say anything because two"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "guys just came to my house and told me"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "to shut up. So, you know, or reminded me"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "of my oath, you know. So, yeah, they're"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "all the stuff is very much closely"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "followed."}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:46", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:46", "text": ">> You know, we I've never had that happen."}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:49", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": ">> And I have 985 people now"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:52", "text": ">> really"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:53", "text": ">> information including people recently in"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "these projects. And here's why."}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "I don't know if you know this. In 1997"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "wrote a letter"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": ">> to every agency and and member. It's in"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "it's in our documents at serious"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "disclosure.com,"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:11", "text": ">> right?"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:11", "text": ">> Um and it was what's called a UNOD"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "letter and that stands for unless"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "otherwise directed. It's a military"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "strategy basically a tactic. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:23", "text": ">> And one of my military adviserss said,"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "\"Look,"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "here's what you need to do.\" Because we"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "had made the assessment and and along"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "with uh the attorney, constitutional"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "attorney Sheen, and some other people in"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "my team that these unagnowledged special"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "access projects were in fact being run"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "illegally"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": ">> without oversight from the president, a"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "lot of the top people at the Pentagon,"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "uh and members of Congress. And"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "therefore the projects were by"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "definition illegal."}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:54", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": ">> And so I wrote a letter saying uh it is"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "our assessment after having briefed the"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "CIA director. And by then I had briefed"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "the head of intelligence, joint chiefs"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "of staff, Admiral Wilson. Everybody's"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "probably heard about the Wilson document"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "leaks. So, I've been I brought the um"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "astronaut Edgar Mitchell and one of"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "Eisenhower's aids who knew about the UFO"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "issue and a couple other people to this"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "briefing with Admiral Wilson at the"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "Pentagon. And it was what they call a"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "stand-up briefing and I was the briefer"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "and and the others were just there"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "participating uh sort of watching and"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "the admiral revealed to us that I had"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "you know I sent him one of these"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "documents from uh Nellis Air Force so"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "called Area 51. And this is the"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "document. It's on the top of the"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "briefing document for uh the presidents"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "that I've dealt with since I got this."}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "And it has it's a National"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "Reconnaissance Office document NRO"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": ">> and it lists the code names and project"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "code numbers as of 91."}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:58", "text": ">> And this was in 97 when I was meeting"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "with the head of intelligence of J2 for"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "the joint chiefs of staff,"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:05", "text": ">> Admiral Tom Wilson. and he had gotten"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "this document before the meeting just as"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "a background, but he recognized one of"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "the names and he got he got hold of he"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "called him up and he said uh this is"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "Admiral Wilson and blah blah and they go"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "yes sir we know who you are he says I"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "want to be read into this project"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "mean read in means briefed"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": ">> and they turn to him they say uh sir we"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "can't discuss this with you"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "don't have a need to know Now, this is"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "the head of intelligence for the Joint"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "Chiefs of Staff. I want everyone to"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "listen very carefully to this. This is"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "the guy who puts together the"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "intelligence assessment for the Joint"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "Chiefs of Staff of the United States"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "Pentagon."}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": ">> Mhm. and he was being brushed aside from"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "this unagnowledged special access"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "project. Which is why I know when we"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "wrote this letter, I said, \"Look, we've"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "met with the head of the Defense"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "Intelligence Agency, head of the CIA,"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "head of intelligence joint staff,"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "numerous other senior officers at the at"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "the Pentagon,"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": ">> members. I personally briefed the"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "senator from Nevada,"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "who of course is where Area 51 is,"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:17", "text": ">> right?\" Um and Senator Richard Bryan met"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "with him personally. He had absolutely"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "no knowledge."}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:23", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:23", "text": ">> These areas uh and other so it goes on"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "and on and on and on and on. Um you know"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "uh the man in charge of the the House"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "Oversight and Reform Committee that's"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "supposed to oversee all these things,"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "Dan Burton of Indiana, Republican, met"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "with him. And then of course you set up"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "a meeting with your congressman,"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "remember?"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:42", "text": ">> Right. We both went. We both went um and"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": ">> Cox was Christopher Cox."}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:49", "text": ">> Christopher Cox uh he later became head"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "of the SEC for baby Bush Bush Jr. but he"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "was a congressman from Orange County I"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "believe."}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:58", "text": ">> Yeah, he was."}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:28:59", "text": ">> Yep. And he also said look"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "I have not heard I have not officially"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "received any information on this. Where"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "are these facilities? And I don't know"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "if you've seen I I I put because of his"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "question."}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": ">> Updating a document. I call it the Cox"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "memo."}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:20", "text": ">> For Congressman Cox that is a list of"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "all the top secret underground basis"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "facilities, contractors, where they are,"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "where they're located, and I put that"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "out to the public now. But initially I"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "did it for him if you recall."}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:35", "text": ">> You were at the meeting."}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:36", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. No, I the two things that"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "stand out to me from that meeting were"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "well, first off that we didn't get"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "thrown out of his office because we're"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "talking about UFOs. He he was very"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "polite about the whole thing."}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": ">> His uh his brother-in-law is an"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "astronaut. As a matter of fact, his"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "wife's brother is an astronaut, but uh"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "the two things that stand out to me was"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "one um him asking us the question, how"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "are they funding this? which I was like,"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "I don't know how we we had ideas, but we"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "both didn't want to say them because we"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "thought it would really ruin our"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "credibility. I was thinking CIA money,"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "drug money. Uh but but the other one was"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "when he asked uh where's this being done"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "at? And and I'll write a congressional"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "letter and send it to these locations"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "and tell them to tell us what they're"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "doing. And I was thinking to myself"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "because just before that, Walter Schiff"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "had tried this. I think it was in Walter"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "Schiff, I could be wrong, down in New"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "Mexico had tried this in Roswell asking"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "for the Roswell records and lo and"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "behold, a year later he dies of cancer."}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:33", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": ">> Oh, and by the way, when they came back"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "with an answer, it was, \"Oh, those"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "records are missing.\""}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:38", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:39", "text": ">> You know, it's like, okay. I mean, so"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "where all these records where all these"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "records these people grab and where do"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "they put them? I think they throw them"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "in a big bonfire myself."}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": ">> If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

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I can"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "assure you that there are civilizations"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "on this planet that predate our"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "knowledge of homo sapiens."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "By joining together in a 1% effect, the"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "other 99% of humans will become more"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "coherent, less violent, and that will"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "potentiate these technologies to come"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "out and be used to save the biosphere."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "We have more in common with those beings"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "than we have difference. We are more"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "alike than we are dissimilar."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "I like telling personal stories because"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "it makes it real and less abstract. My"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "dad um he smoked probably three packs a"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "day for lord 50 years. Um and I was"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "living in the Middle East and I got a"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "call and said your your dad's got"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "terminal lung cancer. And he had a very"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "large uh golf ballsiz uh tumor in his"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "right main stem hilum. the the center"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "part of the chest that was inoperable."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "And back then, this was 19 I guess 7879,"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "there weren't great chemotherapeutic or"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "other treatments. And my father was a"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "World War II veteran, had really serious"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "PTSD. We came to realize, but he knew I"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "had become a meditation teacher."}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "And this is before I was a medical"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "doctor. And um so I I went home to see"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "him. I was told to come home to sort of"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "basically pick out the coffin and make"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "arrangements for him to be buried cuz"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "they said he only had a few weeks to"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "live. And so I came back and I said,"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "\"Dad, do you want to die of this?\" He"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "said, \"No, I don't.\" And I said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "I will teach you meditation"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "and then we will even though I have to"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "go back to the Middle East, we'll do"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "this together.\" Um, and so I taught him"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "this mantra meditation that's in the C5"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "contact app. It's a simple uh mantra"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "meditation approach. And I also taught"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "him some visualization."}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "And he under he was very highly"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "intelligent man. Although he never got"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "to go to college or anything. He sold"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "fencing at a Sears store and stuff. I"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "think the most he ever made in a week"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "was $160 or something. U but he was very"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "very bright. So I said, \"Look, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "you have to just understand these simple"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "things and we'll do it.\" So I went back"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "to Israel. I would do these meditations"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "with him and also some prayer and ask"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "for healing. He would do the meditations"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "and go into deep quiet mind and see the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "tumor dissolving."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "A few weeks later, he goes to his"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "physician and they do X-ray and it's"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "gone. I mean, with no other trait, it"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "just totally vanished. He eventually"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "died of emphyma and all that from"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "smoking so much, but he didn't die of"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "that damn cancer and he didn't want to"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "and he didn't. So, I'm not telling"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "people not to get medical treatments."}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "I'm just saying you can augment them"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "greatly with consciousness. And what I"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "learned at that age, I was maybe 22 or"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "23, is that really even someone like my"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "dad who had a really damaged childhood,"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "had PTSD, was in hand-tohand combat on"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "an amphibious unit in the Pacific during"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "World War II, that when he wanted to, he"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "could sit down, learn to do this"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "meditation, and when it was something he"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "felt was important,"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "it worked. Now, why do I tell that story"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "tonight? It's because the state of the"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "world right now is like we the whole"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "planet has terminal damn cancer. So we"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "have to figure out how do we"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "collectively"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "come together with the knowledge of the"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "science of consciousness. the fact that"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "the conscious mind is always operating"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "without limit to to location to space or"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "time and that if we empower it we can be"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "let's say a vehicle or a clear channel"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "for that force of good in the world by"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "coming together and the studies have all"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "shown whether it's Dr. Dossi who wrote"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "recovering the soul a great book about"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "prayer and meditation and healing"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "that when people do this and there are"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "more than one a group does it it has an"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "exponential increase in effect they"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "found the same thing with the random"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "number generators at the Princeton"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "engineering anomalies research lab Dr."}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "John had that you know and he's passed"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "away but I knew him and he loved what we"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "were doing. He felt what we were doing"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "in the world was a applied version of"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "what he was doing in the laboratory at"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "Princeton. And they found that if like"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "two people loved each other and were"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "unified harmonic"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "and they put their attention on those"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "random number generators, the effect"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "wasn't 1 + 1 is two. It was tfold. It"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "was an order of magnitude."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "So, this is where we get into this"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "discussion of what has been called the"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "1% effect that you see in this"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "documentary, this 2-hour film, which"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "obviously passes through a lot of"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "information very quickly. You need to"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "look at it four or five times probably."}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "Uh but what you find is that when"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "they've done studies with meditators and"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "they send them into a place and there's"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "1% of the population"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "uh that are there meditating even though"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "the other 99% know they're they're not"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "they're in the city at all. They don't"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "even know. They find that there's"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "amazing changes that happen in terms of"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "violent crime rates, emergency room"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "visits, all kinds of negative social and"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "personal behavior just begins to go"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "down. Why is that? It's because all of"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "us are in a field of consciousness and"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "an ocean of conscious light. And when"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "enough people go into that deep state"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "and then intend good, it has an effect"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "on everyone. It doesn't matter if you're"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "talking to them like this or not. It has"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "a salutoy, beneficial, and positive"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "effect. Now let's imagine"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "millions of people doing this in mass"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "meditations. Not only for humanity and"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "the earth, but for our relationship with"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "these interstellar civilizations that"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "are waiting for us to awaken to this"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "possibility. That's what they're waiting"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "for. They're not waiting for the"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "president to issue an edict or the UN"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "secretary general to put out a red"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "carpet or some state house or"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "government. They're waiting for this."}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "This is what they've been waiting for"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "since we started the modern era of"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "weapons of mass destruction and nuclear"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "bombs. And these interstellar"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "civilizations appeared all over the"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "world on moss back in the 40s, 50s, 60s."}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "They're waiting for humans to awaken to"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "a path of healing, a path of"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "enlightenment, and awakening to a new"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "civilization"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "rather than a path of just endless war,"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "endless destruction, endless egotistical"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "focus. Because the opposite of"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "egotistical behavior is this ability to"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "connect to something greater than your"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "your own individuality. But realize your"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "individuality"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "when it's connected to this larger"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "conscious field that's universal can be"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "a force for enormous good. It's a"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "paradox."}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "On the one hand,"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "it's that pre-existent field of"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "consciousness is always there. But the"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "activation of it and the change that can"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "happen on a planet like ours or in the"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "cosmos uh happens when people awaken to"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "that. And that's part of the paradox and"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "mystery of existence."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "So that's what these civilizations are"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "waiting for. They're not waiting for a"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "political solution the way we normally"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "think of it. They're looking for a"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "political social movement, let's call"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "it, but that is rooted in understanding"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "the science of consciousness because"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "they understand that that would be the"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "indication that a civilization like"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "ours, which is an incipient, young um"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "rather atistic. I mean, you think about"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "so many things we keep sliding back to"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "adistic means the return to a primitive"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "state. a rather primitive and not in a"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "good way state, not in a a childlike"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "pure state, but in a sort of a savage"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "violent state. And we we just need to"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "evolve to where we're connecting to this"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "conscious field and understanding that"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "we all can do this together. You do not"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "have to be uh an enlightened avatar or a"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "prophet or a yogi or whatever. Um, in"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "fact, you know, I think that whole"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "system has become a crutch where we just"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "sort of cop out of our own"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "responsibility and look to some leader,"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "whether it be a new age one or a"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "religious one or some person who's some"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "self-anointed high priest or whatever."}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "Uh, and that just takes our own power"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "away. We need to say, \"No, we each one"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "of us have this ability.\" And if there"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "are enlightened people who can help"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "share and teach other people, that's a"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "very good thing. There's nothing wrong"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "with that. It's when we see that there"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "are people who have that ability that we"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "turn to and then view ourselves as"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "non-participatory"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "as sort of passive sheeple that just let"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "the that happen without activating our"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "own in inherent natural abilities."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "So the science of consciousness"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "is really an ancient ancient study. It"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "it goes back since the dawn of uh higher"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "intelligent life forms on this planet"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "and elsewhere. And you know I can assure"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "you that there are civilizations on this"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "planet that predate our knowledge of"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "homo sapiens uh that were very high-tech"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "that existed uh millions of years ago,"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "tens of millions of years ago. And that"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "we're at a phase now where in this let's"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "call it cycle of evolution"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "that we have to go from this uh age of"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "reductionism and separation and us"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "versus them thinking to an age of where"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "I say it's the unitive state. It's the"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "state where we're connecting to an"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "aspect of all things and all people and"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "all creatures throughout the cosmos"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "through the field of consciousness."}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "And why is that? There's a very"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "practical reason for it. I can tell you"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "having led thousands of people around"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "the world making contact and some of"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "those events you've seen in in this"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "documentary,"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "people can get pretty freaked out u not"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "because there's any harm being done"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "because it's something not normal for"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "them."}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "um the people who understand"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "deeply that these civilizations and"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "those people I call them that are"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "non-human but I call them people"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "those the ones who get that most clearly"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "and see that those are just different"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "variants let's say of us that's why the"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "motto for our organization is one"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "universe one people in reality there's"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "one conscious being phasing and"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "resonating ating through all of us. So"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "when you connect to that level of"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "consciousness, I always say this why I"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "never use the A word."}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "It's like the N word or the K word or"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "the F word. The alien word is inherently"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "xenophobic and racist. There's nothing"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "alien about them except unless you're"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "connecting to only your homo sapieness."}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "What do I mean by that? the fact that"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "you are of one species, homo sapiens,"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "humans, to the exclusion that anyone"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "else is an alien. Well, why are they"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "alien? They're alien because we're not"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "connecting to the deeper spiritual truth"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "of the fact that we are conscious and"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "awake and sentient. But when you look"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "into the eyes of these ET beings,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "they're conscious and awake and"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "sentient. Therefore, if we're connecting"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "at that level, which is a very simple"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "level, like I said, it's closer to us"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "than our life's fame. It's right there."}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "If we connect to that level, we'll be"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "grounded in where we have commonality"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "and oneness instead of alieness and"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "foreignness and fear, which then leads"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "to interstellar racism,"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "uh, which is what's going on mostly in"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "the UFO subculture. You you'll notice,"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "by the way, that the the good aliens are"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "always ones that kind of looks like they"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "came from Northern Europe, and the bad"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "ones are ones that are different color"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "or height or shape. This is just us"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "projecting our own crap, excuse my"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "language, our own baggage of thousands"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "of years of racism and bigotry and"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "inhumity to each other onto this"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "situation. And we've got to tr go beyond"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "that. We must transcend that dynamic,"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "not only with each other so that we can"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "get beyond all the isms, racism,"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "homophobia,"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "sexism, misogyny, whatever it is, but we"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "have to do that in a way where for it to"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "last, it can't just be an"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "intellectualization."}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "It's actually a deep spiritual awakening"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "where we realize this is the heart of"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "compassion of the Buddha by the way"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "where we realize we are all one being"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "that the conscious being within us and"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "the light of consciousness within"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "another human or another ET or another"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "civilization from a galaxy very far away"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "that conscious field is a singularity."}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "It's one and by relating to that rather"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "than being overwhelmed by our"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "differences"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "then we can stay in a in a in in a"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "grounded place where we're not going to"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "be afraid"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "and I always I like this story in the"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "Bavagita where you know Krishna is"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "talking to Arjuna on the battlefield and"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "he said a little of this and it's this"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "with a capital T which is referring to"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "pure conscious the pure field of"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "consciousness eliminate all fear. Why?"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "Because if you're grounded in that field"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "of consciousness through meditation and"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "understanding,"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "there's nothing to be afraid of. You're"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "you're really at a place where you can"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "go,"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "I'm sort of have an eternal infinite"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "universal aspect of myself that is in"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "perfect harmony and oneness with every"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "other being. And that also makes you"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "realize that your lifespan on your this"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "planet at this particular life is also"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "not the end or beginning of things for"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "you. It goes on forever."}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "I mean I guess lucky in my case when I"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "was a young rambunctious and rather"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "rebellious and athletic teenager at age"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "17 I died. People say oh how lucky for"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "you. Well, you know, I was very sick and"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "I did a 30 mile mountain bike ride"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "today, but this was I was 17 and I"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "decided in my infinite wisdom to bicycle"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "from Charlotte, North Carolina, all the"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "way to the coast of North Carolina, 200"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "miles in one day. But I had injured my"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "left leg. And that bike ride spread an"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "infection in that injury all through my"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "leg. But I said, \"Oh, I'm tend to be"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "very stoic. I I have a rather high pain"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "tolerance.\" And I said, \"Oh, well, you"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "know, I'll just deal with it.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "bicycled 200 miles back. Well, of course"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "that led to a catastrophe"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "where as a doctor now I realize I had"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "hpatrenal syndrome and sepsis where the"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "infection went all through my body, shut"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "down my kidneys, shut down my liver and"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "um I died. So I'm 17 years old living in"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "an apartment."}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "I lied about my age. Said I was 20."}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "I'm still working in high school washing"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "dishes that are Red Lobsters, actually"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "pots and pans for $180 an hour. And I"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "was sort of like, you know, not in great"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "shape. And I we did, you know, in"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "America, those of you listening from"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "other parts of the world, we don't have"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "we don't have a health care system here."}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "We have a health profit system here. I"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "say that as an emergency doctor on the"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "front lines. And so I was too poor to"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "have a doctor. Um I grew up so poor we"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "almost never saw one. And I just said,"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "\"Oh, well.\" So I went to bed and I died."}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "And I had this amazing experience which"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "goes is too long to go into here I guess"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "but what it did the the core of what it"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "taught me even though I was raised a"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "very devout atheist."}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "It taught me that in fact our inner"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "conscious spirit is infinite"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "eternal and that as I went out into"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "space I didn't go to some pearly gates."}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "I just went into I was always in love"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "with space and the stars and the sky and"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "nature. So I went out into space and I"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "went into um it was called Brahman"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "consciousness but I went into a state"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "where my consciousness the the the"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "little drop that I thought was my own"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "consciousness expanded and became the"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "cosmic awareness."}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "And but then I also became aware that"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "that consciousness was everything that"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "existed in creation from the celestial"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "to the material where I literally"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "experienced the planet and the stars and"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "space and time and the astral worlds of"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "light all as sort of the expression and"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "outer garment of this infinite self,"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "this infinite being. 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In other words, you think"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "you're a small thing when in reality the"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "totality of the entire cosmos and"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "creation is folded like a conscious"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "quantum hologram inside you and me and"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "everybody."}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "So that knowledge and realization became"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "was not academic because"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "you know fool that I was I just wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "listen to my body and just pushed and"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "pushed and pushed myself. Um I'm still a"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "little bit that way aren't I? But uh my"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "my son-in-law is going, \"What are you"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "doing at your age doing all this stuff"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "like oh well I mean I I'll rest when I"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "drop dead again or something. That's my"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "saying. But I think that we have to"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "understand that this is what all of us"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "are. I mean it, you know, whether it's"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "the homeless person on the street or"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "someone that you re like the Dollaly"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "Lama, we all have that within us. And so"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "understanding that is so beautiful. And"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "once we understand it and own it, then"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "that's going to inform what we're going"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "to do. We're going to aspire to connect"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "to that aspect. And when we do, then"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "we're going to be an ambassador to the"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "universe. Because then we're going to"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "understand that these other"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "civilizations"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "that are beyond the speed of light and"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "their capabilities understand all of"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "this in their own way. And we understand"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "it but we can relate to it in a very"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "simple form. And that is by going into"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "deep conscious meditation. And initially"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "when you're meditating what happens is"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "that you just sense some quiet calmness"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "of mind. But as you do it enough day"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "after day every day two or three times a"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "day before you go to sleep as sort of a"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "a simple discipline you know it doesn't"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "take long 20 30 minutes. Um what you"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "find is that you literally become"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "conscious of that field of awareness"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "when you're awake. You start having more"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "and more lucid dreams and you're awake"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "doing your normal routine stuff and your"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "intuitive light, your sensing of things"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "that the five senses of your body kick"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "in. This is really important when you're"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "out in the stars doing this because"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "you're not really there to see a machine"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "fly over. And if you are, you're there"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "for the wrong reason. You're there to"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "connect to the occupants of those things"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "called UFOs or ETcraft. I mean, this is"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "the whole problem with ufology. It's"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "very materialistic. Who cares about the"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "machinery? It's like if a head of state"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "drives up to your house in a Mercedes,"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "you're going to ignore the world leader"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "and be fawning over the car. Well, some"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "of us will because I love vehicles. I'm"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "like a boy that way. But no, not really."}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "You're going to pay attention to what's"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "the occupant of the vehicle. So, in this"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "case, the quote UFOs"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "are just mechanisms for transport"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "through spaceime."}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "But let's ask the question, who's on"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "board? Who is that? And how how are they"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "different from us? But how are they like"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "us? And if you understand the depth and"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "richness of consciousness, we have more"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "in common with those beings than we have"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "difference. We are more alike than we"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "are dissimilar."}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "And also even as humans, the more we"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "realize this, the the the more we're"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "going to transcend"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "racism and religiosity and ethnic"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "conflict and religious conflict. Because"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "the truth is if you however you feel and"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "treat the least amongst us is you're"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "really doing that to yourself. You're"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "because you have this infinite aspect of"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "yourself in it. And when you understand"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "that, that's how you really can develop"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "genuine kindness or kindliness."}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "Um that's a a way to function. And we"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "all try to aspire to that all"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "imperfectly of course in our day-to-day"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "lives. But having these experiences in"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "deep consciousness and field"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "consciousness that are deeply spiritual,"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "it enables us not only to be be like"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "that with people, but also with these"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "interstellar visitors. We're not we're"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "not locked into this idea that oh my"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "god, there's a weird looking alien"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "that's"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "3 feet tall or 12 in tall or 12 feet"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "tall. Like we have some that are very"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "huge that come around us. No, it you you"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "realize that those are beings that are"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "conscious and intelligent"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "and the awareness within them even"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "though they experience the universe in"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "their own way as an individual or as a"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "society and we experience it in our own"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "way that the light of consciousness the"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "singularity of the consciousness field"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "is a singularity and that's why it's so"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "brilliant when Schrodener who's a father"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "of modern quantum physics and and"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "particle wave theory and I believe in"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "1908 said the total number of minds in"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "the universe is one. It's a singularity."}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "Now we divide it up into our"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "individualities and thinking we're all"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "separate. But the science has proven"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "that we're not all separate at all."}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "We're always interwoven in this this"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "fabric of conscious awareness. And the"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "more we meditate, the more we have that"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "not as an intellectualization up here,"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "but as a genuine experience that gives"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "rise to knowledge and that gives rise"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "rise to wisdom. And many people will"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "say, \"How can Dr. Greer say that these"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "aliens aren't harmful to us?\" I'm going"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "well you cannot prove a negative but if"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "they are shouldn't we have a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "ambassadors that are enlightened on this"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "planet to make contact with them and"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "create a rock pole I mean what you're"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "going to resolve a problem like that"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "with people who have the ability to go"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "beyond the speed of light with a nuclear"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "weapon or an electronic weapon no I mean"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "that'd be the termination of both"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "planets instantly therefore no matter"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "what you your belief is given the"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "cacophony of opinions out there on this."}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "The path of wisdom"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "is that we become ambassadors to the"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "universe first by understanding the"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "universal aspect of ourselves and then"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "going out and making contact with these"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "civilizations while we're established in"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "that state of consciousness because then"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "there are no aliens. There are only"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "fellow intelligent beings and on that"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "basis you can go beyond the prejudices"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "that kick in. We all have prejudices."}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "We're all raised with prejudices. We all"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "have them. But you can go beyond them."}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "So that on on the things that are really"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "important and we are in a an"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "interplanetary moment that's been"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "foresstalled for decades that we begin"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "to come together and do the right thing"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "and become ambassadors of enlightenment"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "from humanity to these civilizations."}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "And that's urgent. That's why I I use"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "the analogy about my my my father having"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "cancer. Our whole civilization has had a"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "metastatic metastasizing illness of"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "separation and violence and otherness"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "and racism and ethnic conflict and all"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "of these sort of things that have"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "brought us to the state we're in now."}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "And the only way that's going to be"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "solved the external solutions will will"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "unfold when we understand that deep"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "within we have to attain these the"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "solution of consciousness and"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "enlightenment"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "because think about it for a moment."}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "Let's say that um of course these have"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "existed for 100 years. You have a"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "socalled free energy device and it's a"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "zero point energy device. That energy"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "device is tapping into an infinite"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "energy field as Tesla Nicola Tesla"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "called it. And those systems, yes, they"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "can run your house and they can run your"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "car and aircraft that have no pollution,"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "but they can be weaponized."}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "So how do you go beyond our proclivity"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "this sort of illness that humans have to"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "take every technological development and"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "use it first for war? Unfortunately"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "classified projects have done precisely"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "that. They have taken technologies that"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "have been evolved from the early 20th"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "century that were then potentiated"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "greatly potentiated in the 40s,50s and"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "60s by studying interstellar vehicles"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "and they have weaponized them and they"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "are out on satellites in space. They're"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "on the ground. They're under the ocean"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "and they're on aircraft and they have"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "been used against these interstellar"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "visitors. So what I tell people is that"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "right now we have the worst of all"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "worlds because the least conscious"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "people have the most powerful"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "technologies. What we have to do is"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "develop at least this 1% effect where 1%"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "of our population"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "connecting to this unitive state of"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "consciousness can wisely create a a a"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "movement so that we can only make"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "contact with these civilizations"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "peacefully but by joining together in a"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "1% effect the other 99% of humans will"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "become more coherent, less violent and"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "that will potentiate these technologies"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "to come out and be used to save the"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "biosphere. And so a lot of people want"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "to think of this sequentially. We need"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "this and then I said, \"No, sequentially"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "could have happened in 1908, maybe 1945."}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "In 2020, my friends, it's got to all"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "come together uh like hitting the"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "perfect"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "score. And we're just out of time to do"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "this in a linear and sequential way. Uh"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "you extrapolate where we are now. If we"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "don't fix this problem in the next 10 to"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "30 years, it's just going to be all over"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "but the shouting. Uh so this is an"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "urgent situation. I always joke, you"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "know, I'm an emergency doctor, so maybe"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "I see the world that way, but I think"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "we're in a genuine global emergency. Um"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "more and more people are awakening to"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "that. what they're not awakening to is"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "an a wise way of having a solution. So"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "we have to have conscious people coming"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "together to create a peaceful planet"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "that is not only a planetary society but"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "an interplanetary one so these"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "technologies can be applied in a way"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "that is beneficial to all life and"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "doesn't get create doesn't create"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "another horrific uh weapon system. So"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "this is a a very it's at once a material"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "problem and a scientific problem and a"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "deeply spiritual crisis all rolled into"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "one."}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "The reverse is also true. However, on a"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "hopeful note, once a society opens its"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "eyes to that reality, what happens is"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "that technologies"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "just begin to be potentiated without"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "restriction, suppression, secrecy"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "that can do amazing things, but without"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "any violent application. So the root of"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "of of this is creating a civilization"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "where we can advance technologically"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "at in parallel with not in exclusion to"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "our deep conscious spiritual evolution."}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "And those two things coming together is"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "what's going to give us as the ET said"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "the Colonel Corso a new world if you can"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "take it. I love that story. There's more"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "to it than than we relate in the movie."}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "And um but but I think it's beautiful to"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "realize that that's what we have the"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "potential for and that destiny is in our"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "hands. It's not in the hands of some"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "elite cabal. We like to go on and on"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "about them, but in reality they're"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "they're just not that"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "powerful"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "compared to 8 billion people in the"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "world waking up to their own reality. Uh"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "they would be like a gnat fling into the"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "sun, which is by the way, you know, when"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "I got threatened by the head of army"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "intelligence and death threats and"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "people on my team murdered and I got a a"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "malignant melanoma and metastatic cancer"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "that almost took me out that was quite"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "artificially induced that you know back"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "then before I had good protection which"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "I have now frankly it was very dangerous"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "but I was never afraid. I think my"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "family and children were I wasn't afraid"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "because you know I I told the head of"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "army intelligence I I've seen what's"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "beyond the 3D cosmos and whatever your"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "little plan is there's another plan and"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "I can tell you which one's going to"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "prevail. It isn't yours. I said that"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "right to his face in in 1992 in April of"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "1992."}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "He was not happy because, you know, if"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "anyone who gets to know me knows I don't"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "suffer fools well and tend to be very"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "direct, not you know, you know, I wasn't"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "violent. I just said, \"Look, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "you're not going to intimidate us with"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "this nonsense.\" Um, and you can't"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "deceive us. So, we have to be wise"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "enough and and become what are called"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "the, you know, like the Shambala"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "warriors, that tradition of the Shambala"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "where they weren't warriors of violence."}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "They were warriors in consciousness"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "where they as Arjuna was told by Krishna"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "they have gone beyond fear. They've gone"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "beyond multiplicity into this state of"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "oneness."}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "And therefore in your own personal life"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "you can take on any effort. You can"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "cross any chasm. Uh and you can do it"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "without the normal insecurity and fear"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "uh that you have which is natural if you"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "just stay in your own head on your own"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "space thinking that all that exists is"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "your physical body and this little chunk"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "of time maybe a hundred years that"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "you're on this planet. So it is really a"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "spiritual crisis and a crisis in"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "consciousness. And as we understand"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "consciousness in in its deepest aspect,"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "we begin to understand what the future"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "holds in terms of a profound and deep"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "spirituality."}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "But that transcends the the clap trap of"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "of let's call it religiosity"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "uh that ends up destroying spirituality."}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "I think we have to understand that at"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "the core of many spiritual traditions"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "were really beautiful inspired ideas but"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "of course then men got hold of it and"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "destroyed them didn't they? So I think"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "the only way we're going to solve that"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "problem also is that we understand that"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "we're all have to be in a sense yogis or"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "priests. We all have to be conscious in"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "enlightenment. It isn't enough to bend a"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "pious knee once a week at a church or a"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "temple. We have to understand that"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "within our and that may if that is"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "something helpful for you, that's great."}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "But we have to understand that that"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "that's just to remind us of what we need"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "to be all the time, every day, all the"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "time. Uh and and it has amazing"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "applications. I mean, as an emergency"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "doctor, I I I tell some some really kind"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "of funny stories. I don't know if you"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "want to hear these. um on a Saturday"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "night, but they're sort of beautiful."}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "Like I had this boy that came in, a"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "young man, he was like 26 and he had two"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "kids and it was since this is corona"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "virus, he had uh it was flu season and"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "everyone thought he had a really bad"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "case of the flu. So he's put into a he"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "wasn't in a trauma room. He was in a"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "regular medical room. I go in and see"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "him and I could I would never be able to"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "say this if I was still in a hospital"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "right now because I'd be crucified as a"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "sort of a charlatan uh or worse have my"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "medical license taken away I guess. Um"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "but I looked at him and I you know how"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "dogs just sort of sense things. They can"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "s I'm kind of like a big dog that way."}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "So I could just sense I could feel that"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "he had this big brain tumor. And I also"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "sensed that all of his symptoms, every"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "one of them was due to this big brain"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "tumor. So I turned to the nurse and I"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "said, \"I need an emergency cat scan, CT"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "of the hip.\" And she was fantastic. What"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "saw the earthare and she says, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "Dr. Greer, he's only got the flu.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "went, \"Uh, just do it.\" It was, you"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "know, luckily I didn't have to go"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "through a bunch of Nazis in the HMO or"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "insurance or government. So, we got the"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "CAT scan and sure enough, there was this"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "big brain tumor, but it was a um a type"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "of astroy. It was a type of brain tumor"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "that was like a pancake on the top up"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "here and it was squeezing his brain. It"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "reached a critical size where it was it"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "was pushing his brain stem where you"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "have the areas that control for"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "vomiting, breathing, temperature"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "regulation was all being affected. So he"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "had all these symptoms that were exactly"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "like the flu. No other neurological"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "symptoms and all of them were from this"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "hidden"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "brain tumor. Now, when I handed this off"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "to the neurosurgeon, he said to me, he"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "says, \"Why did you order a CAT scan on"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "this patient? I never would have.\" I"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "said, \"I I couldn't tell him what I'm"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "telling you. Someday, hopefully in"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "medical school, we can teach our doctors"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "this.\" I said, \"Well, I just had a"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "hunch, but in reality, I saw and felt"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "this brain tumor.\" So, it saved that"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "boy's life. And you know, whether you're"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "an airline pilot or a computer"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "programmer or a CEO or a nurse or a"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "doctor, whatever you do, or you're a"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "truck driver and you need to anticipate"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "something up over the horizon that you"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "can't see with your eyeball,"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "being awake in this field of"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "consciousness is incredibly beautiful"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "and important and it can be life and"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "death. So I think we have to accept that"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "this is the wonder of our time is that"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "we can merge science and technology"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "with the experience of consciousness in"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "its deepest aspect and become truly"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "awake."}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "Well, with that I'm going to let a"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "couple of questions come in. I know I've"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "gone on a bit long, but I wanted to just"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "give an overview of this. I hope you"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "guys enjoyed it."}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "Um, Michael, do you have a question from"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "the folks?"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "Absolutely. Dr. Greer, great show"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "tonight. First question is, is the C5"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "movement being opposed by religious"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "fundamentalists inside of the US"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "government?"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "Everything Enlightened is opposed by"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "fundamentalists,"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "whether they're in the government or"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "elsewhere. And I mean that in the sense"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "that uh there there there is a big"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "problem with people who are steeped in"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "sectarian fanaticism. Let's call them I"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "call them the American Taliban. Um and"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "they exist and they've risen through the"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "ranks of the FBI and CIA and government."}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "I know a number of them and they have"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "the most their ideas are so untoured it"}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "beggars the imagination. Uh, one of the"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "shocks I had in as I started into this"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "with the disclosure project which was an"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "outgrowth of the C5 contacts we had had"}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "in the early 90s is that there were the"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "really powerful people who had ideas"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "that were so bizarre. Um, but they had"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "enormous power. So, uh, yes, they're"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "going to be opposed to anything that"}, {"end": "00:40:27", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "doesn't build into their esquetological"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "fantasy. But esquetology is the study of"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:27", "text": "how the world's going to end. the sort"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "of the Armageddon knits who you know are"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "like like the prince that Prince Han van"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "Likenstein who said we really want"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "people to hate the aliens. That's why"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "I'm funding all the abduction squads and"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "abduction researchers so that people"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "will hate the aliens enough to go to"}, {"end": "00:40:50", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "interplanetary war."}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:50", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

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The body of"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "light that you're doing that with is"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "very, very similar to what an"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "interstellar vehicle or even an"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "experimental man-made one shifts into."}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "Any"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "interstellar civilization,"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "their number one science"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "after they've attained a level one"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "civilization where they have peace on"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "their planet, where they have zero point"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "and free energy, etc., and are not"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "damaging the biosphere, the number one"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "science for thousands of years becomes"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "the science of consciousness. This is an"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "absolute fact. Once our civilization"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "begins to behave in a civilized way,"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "which we aren't now, and we stop"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "murdering each other and having wars and"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "destroying the biosphere using 1800's"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "fossil fuel systems and all of that,"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "we'll then be liberated to focus instead"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "of on trying to money grub and eek out"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "an existence."}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "we'll be able to focus on these deeper"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "aspects of what I call genuine spiritual"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "development uh and the experience of"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "higher states of consciousness and that"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "becomes the key focus of any"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "civilization that attains level one"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "which is a peaceful world that's in"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "harmony with its environment not"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "destroying it but is very high-tech a"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "level one civilization and higher all of"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "them have as their chief science and"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "their main focus the development of"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "higher states of consciousness and as a"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "result their technologies track"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "correlate exactly with that. 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It's a whole"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "different law of physics that are"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "operating. And the core of that are"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "increasingly conscious dimensions,"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "thought,"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "visualization, astral, celestial, all"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "kinds of aspects of energy that are"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "beyond the 3D material that we're all so"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "hung up on. The reality is most of the"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "cosmos is resonating or phasing beyond"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "the speed of light. And this is"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "beginning to be recognized by physicists"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "in the post-quantum era. And the reason"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "it's very interesting, it's like full"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "circle. If you look at the ancient"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "teachings of native peoples, the ancient"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "uh even the Gnostic Christians, you look"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "at the ancient vas uh the Sanskrit"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "ancient teachings from hundreds"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "thousands of years ago. We don't know"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "how old the vas are in Sanskrit. It"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "predates any organized religion"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "including Hinduism or Buddhism by the"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "way and those bodies of knowledge were"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "all centered in the science of"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "consciousness. So what I think is that"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "field of consciousness and that study is"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "something that is not only ancient but"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "very futuristic ironically and that's"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "where we're headed now. civilizations"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "that are going past the speed of light,"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "if they don't understand the science of"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "consciousness, they can't do it. They"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "can't contact each other. They can't"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "communicate to their home planet, etc."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "And why is that? Well, we're using this"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "system right now. We're on YouTube. Um,"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "and we have phones that are operating on"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "radio frequencies which are from 1844."}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "Maronei and Marone's Hill and the"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Telegraph. Those are all propagating in"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "a waveform at 186,000 miles per second,"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "which is the speed of light. So every"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "second it's traveling 186,000 mi, which"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "sounds fast, but it isn't. It's just too"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "damn slow to go interstellar. So when"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "you're going interstellar, let's talk"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "about our nearby star systems in our own"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "galaxy. say 1% of the way across the"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "Milky Way"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "is since it's 100,000 light years"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "across. It's it's enormous. In other"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "words, a a a beam of light would take a"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "100,000 years to traverse just our own"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "galaxy, which is one of billions or"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "trillions of galaxies, each with a"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "100red billion star systems or more. So"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "when you look at that, let's look at 1%"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "of the way across the Milky Way. That's"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "a thousand light years. A thousand light"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "years at the speed of how you and I are"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "communicating right now. It take a"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "thousand years to say hello and another"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "thousand years to get an answer back."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "How are you doing? That just took the"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "time since the birth of Christ. So it is"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "not possible that we're being visited by"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "civilizations that haven't that have"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "that have that are locked into 3D"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "material linear speed of matter speed of"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "light. And that's why we have to even if"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "we're just emerging as a civilization,"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "we have it within our traditions, but"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "also within our own conscious"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "experience, the ability to deeply"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "understand that the consciousness field"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "is an unbounded field. It's not bound by"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "space or time. And that thought"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "emanating and moving in that field. If"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "you can expand your awareness and see"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "with your mind a distant place or a"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "distant time, you can connect seamlessly"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "to it. That's how these interstellar"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "civilizations understand reality and are"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "actually not just philosophically"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "understanding it but their operating"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "system let's say at their OS their"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "operating system is in the"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "transdimensional beyond the speed of"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "light fields of energy thought"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "consciousness conscious forms etc."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "Therefore, if we want to make contact,"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "we can't expect them to be using, you"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "know, this thing, you know, a piece of"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "junk um that is using radio frequencies"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "from the 1800s. I mean, with all our"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "vaulted smartphones and computers, it's"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "all locked in an 1800's paradigm of"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "linear speed of light communication."}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "Never mind our travel. Our travel"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "systems are jets and cars that are"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "really from the 1800s and early 1900s"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "burning fuels to putter along at 600 m"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "an hour on a a Boeing 787 Dreamliner."}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "Uh, you know, I mean, it's just"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "completely ludicrous because we have"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "technologies that are way beyond that"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "and that's another discussion. But the"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "point is when you see an interstellar"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "vehicle and it's come from another star"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "system, even if it's in our nearby"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "cluster of stars in our own galaxy, they"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "are not going at the speed of light."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "They're going at multiples of the speed"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "of light. And when you transcend the"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "speed of light, the craft and everyone"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "on board are resonantly shifted into"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "these other dimensions."}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "Um, I I'll tell you a little secret that"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "a lot of people don't know. You ever"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "heard of Dreamland?"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "Not the studio that Steven Spielberg"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "has, Dreamland SKG. Dreamland is a a"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "name of an area at the Nellis Air Force"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Base, Nevada Range. The pop culture"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "calls it Area 51, but nobody calls it"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "that, by the way. Only people don't know"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "what's there call it Area 51."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "Nevertheless,"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "Dreamland, the way that got its name is"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "that when they were experimenting with"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "reverse engineered ET craft and those"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "technology with a man-made system, the"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "people who were using it were kind of"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "teleported and moved resonantly where"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "their bodies and the craft shifted"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "into what is very similar to the lucid"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "dream state. Let me repeat that. If you"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "have a dream where you're flying over"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "the ocean or over the forest or your"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "city, the body of light that you're"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "doing that with is very very similar to"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "what an interstellar vehicle or even an"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "experimental man-made one shifts into"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "when they're using high voltage systems"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "that are resonating in a way that all"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "the electrons and all the matter of that"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "spacecraft and people's bodies are"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "resonantly shifted in terms of frequency"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "to this beyond the speed of light"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "aspect. And it isn't like you speed up"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "to the speed of light. You're there in"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "the in a 3D and then you're there there"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "in another dimension. It's it's"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "absolutely instantaneously."}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "And that explains if you look at the"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "movie Close Encounters of the Fifth"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "Kind, you'll see objects that appear,"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "vanish, and then reappear way over here"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "or almost at the same time. There's no"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "linearity to how they have to move like"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "a jetliner. Why is that? because they're"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "using technologies that enable them to"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "transcend linear spaceime. But as they"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "do so, not only are their technologies"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "more wedded to this field of conscious"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "energy,"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "but their communication systems are all"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "resonating in frequencies beyond the"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "speed of light. They're moving at the"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "speed of thought. Now, what is the speed"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "of thought? Well, it actually is"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "instantaneously. And this is why you we"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "had Dr. Targon who had worked for 20ome"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "years for the CIA doing remote viewing"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "through Stanford Research International."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "He called it SRRI which is what people"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "call it but I want to define that for"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "you. It's SRRI of Stanford Research"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "International. He talked about the fact"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "that the physics of this has been well"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "understood for decades that in fact"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "conscious the field of consciousness and"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "thought isn't limited by space or time"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "and this has been proven in elegant"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "physics science exper experiments. So"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "for example"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "where they would take uh the what we"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "mentioned random number generators put"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "someone in a room and put their thought"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "awareness on it and it starts shifting"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "that this random generator of zeros and"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "ones shifts to the ones or you could put"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "your consciousness in a container of"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "water even at a great distance and it"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "will create as Dr. Dr. Moto showed these"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "are beautiful crystals and forms if"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "you're putting your attention in love"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "and hope or these ugly kind of tormented"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "looking shapes if it's hate or something"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "negative. So thought and consciousness"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "instantaneously"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "can affect systems engineering systems"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "at any distance regardless of how far"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "away because they are not operating in a"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "linear 3D way. They transcended that"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "linear 3D cosmos."}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "So, we have to do that. If you want to"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "be an ambassador to these other"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "civilizations, it's sort of like ET 101"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "isn't what you've been taught through"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "the UFO subculture. ET 101, the course"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "on extraterrestrial sciences is the"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "science of consciousness. Period. Um,"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "luckily, you know, this is something"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "that we all have a understanding of just"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "from our day-to-day experience. An"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "enormous percentage of the population, I"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "was talking to Dr. Tar about this um on"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "a private call not long ago, have had"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "what are called lucid dreams of the"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "future. How many of you guys have had"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "that? I bet virtually everyone. I met my"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "wife in a lucid precognitive dream. If"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "if you've read the book hidden truth"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "forbid knowledge which is sort of"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "roughly autobiographical that I wrote"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "some years ago maybe 20 years ago or 18"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "I can't remember that was a part one of"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "the stories in there is how I was in the"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "Middle East I had this lucid dream five"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "days in a row I was 22 years old I was"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "no more interested in being married than"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "the man in the moon at that point but I"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "had this dream where This enlightened"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "being introduced me to this woman who"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "I'd never seen on this plane. And I was"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "told very specific information. This is"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "who you should marry. Uh she'll be quite"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "a she'll be older than you, but it won't"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "matter. She'll come from far away and"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "leave, but you'll get back together. And"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "there's all kinds of detail sort of in a"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "packet of knowledge. And I woke up and I"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "was with a friend. And I said, 'You"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "know, I keep having this dream. About a"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "month later, maybe two, I can't"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "remember."}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "This person, my wife Emily, walks"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "through"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "the these gardens up in Israel where I"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "was living in Hifa, and it was her. Now,"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "of course, you don't go up to a complete"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "stranger and say, \"Hey, I've had dreams"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "with you, babe. I'm going to marry you"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "now.\" I mean, it's just crazy. But I"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "eventually did tell her that story after"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "about a year of correspondence."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "Um maybe not a year, a little less. And"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "back then there was no internet. This is"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "1978"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "before most of you were born."}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "But what I decided was, you know, I I"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "have to tell her what really happened"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "because we had this instantaneous"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "bond like we had known each other"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "forever even though we knew each other"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "only for about an hour during that"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "meeting in Israel before she went back"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "to the Caribbean where she was a"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "Peacecore worker. And I I thought to"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "myself, you know, I I need to tell her"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "how this really happened. And of course,"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "luckily, she was a very spiritually"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "minded, conscious person who did"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "meditation. So, she said, \"Oh, yeah, I"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "understand that.\" So, I tell people that"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "all of us have had that's sort of like a"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "a pretty ex dramatic version of a"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "precognitive lucid dream, but we've all"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "had them. But how does that happen?"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "Think about it. How is it that you go"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "into a state of consciousness or and you"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "fall asleep and during the dream time,"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "what the Aboriginals in Australia call"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "dream time, you have a lucid, crystal"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "clear, fullcolor dream, and whatever"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "that is in that dream happens the next"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "day or the next week or the next month"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "or or 10 years later. This is a very"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "common experience. Well, what it's sort"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "of like a a thing that is experienced by"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "almost every human at some point in"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "their life that's a sort of a signpost"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "that says you're not only what you think"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "you are locked in the frame of your"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "physical form and in this time and"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "place. You're actually connected in"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "consciousness to every point in space"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "and every point in time."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "And that includes right now but going"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "back but going also forward which is"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "remote viewing into the future. What"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "used to be called a sear. Now this is"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "something that has been unfortunately"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "sort of relegated to mysticism and uh a"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "lot of of thinking is that well you know"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "you've got to be somebody living in a"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "cave meditating for 50 years by yourself"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "to experience this. This is absolutely a"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "harmful myth that I think ecclesiastical"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "and spiritual leaders and unfortunately"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "a lot of my scientific brethren have"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "propagated that is a damnable lie. You"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "do not have to be in some kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "esoteric aesthetic"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "um setting to have that experience or to"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "develop them. And so that is something"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "that we have to begin to sort of move"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "beyond this monkey on our shoulders"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "going, \"Oh, I'm just a little dumb thing"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "and I'm just stuck right here on Earth.\""}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "And it it it's just you you're telling"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "yourself that lie over and over again."}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "And that it becomes its own destiny"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "because if you have a different"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "understanding of who and what you are"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "that is that you are a conscious being"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "capable of connecting to the field of"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "consciousness that's beyond space and"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "You can see any place. You can see any"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "point in time. You can remote view where"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "these interstellar civilizations are."}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "You can connect then to their"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "communication systems which are not only"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "their innate capabilities like we have"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "telepathically but also they have"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "devices that would look like a box or a"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "a device that seamlessly is interacting"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "with conscious thought. So you in other"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "words you want to turn your computer on"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "you think to it turns on. Of course, you"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "know, Elon Musk has a company called"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "Neurolink, and by 2025, he wants to have"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "a system so that his he would have a"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "system where we would be able to do that"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "with our own computers. Here's a memo to"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "Elon if you're listening. Classified"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "projects have that already and have had"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "it since the 50s, probably around 1956."}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "Uh, nevertheless,"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "just using our own innate ability,"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "because I don't have one of those"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "devices. it was offered to me. Uh, and I"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "turned it down because I knew it would"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "put me at greater risk than I need to be"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "because I also realized that don't"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "really need to have it. Why? Because the"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "hardware and the software, let's call"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "it, that you need to be an ambassador of"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "these civilizations, remote view,"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "connect to them in consciousness is your"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "birthright. Every single human being by"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "virtue of being conscious"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "can be conscious of just consciousness"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "and become aware of that field of"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "awareness that has no limitations in"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "space or time. And by doing that"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "regularly in meditative states, you then"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "can then advance to where you begin to"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "operate at that level, not only in the"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "meditative state or in a dream, but"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "while you're driving down a road, you"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "know, you're just sort of like, oh,"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "where's the highway patrol or whatever."}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "And you actually people who know me well"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "know I do that kind of strange stuff."}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "But the the point I'm making is that you"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "you need to understand that this is your"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "innate capability as a higher"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "intelligent life form. Uh not just"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "humans, dolphins and even other animals"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "have that capacity to a point. But once"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "you reach a they say a critical mass of"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "the of intelligence and consciousness,"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "you can understand this. go into"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "meditative states on a regular basis and"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "routinely"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "see remote places and see distant times."}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "The most important C5s that I've been"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "part of over the years and and doing"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "this with groups over the last well this"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "is the 30th anniversary of the C5"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "initiative. I started the project when I"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "was uh 34 um 64 now."}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "that those experiences almost to"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "spec specific information was"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "experienced in a meditative state or a"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "lucid dream before it happened. For"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "example, if you read the early accounts"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "of us going to Mexico near the volcano,"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "they call it popo. It's poet, something"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "like that. I'm not very good with"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "languages except Sanskrit. Um"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "that whole experience when you read"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "about that in the books that we have was"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "seen exactly 7 days to the hour adjusted"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "for time zones"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "7 24hour rotations of the of the earth"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "and 7 days after I had that dream we"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "were at this very specific place that I"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "was looking for and we were there at the"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "right place at the right time and this"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "enormous ship uh emerged from the"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "volcano and came right over and signal"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "to us and all of that. So, what I tell"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "people is that you can use this when"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "let's say you're planning to go out next"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "weekend somewhere in your backyard or"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "state park just with you know your your"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "own uh housemates or something."}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "You can actually intend as you go to"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "sleep at night or go into meditation to"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "ask where should I be"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "exactly what time might an event happen"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "what does the setting look like where is"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "the moon in the sky whatever all the"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "granular detail you might if you intend"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "to ask for that it'll be shown to you"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "and I think we're only limited by our"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "own creativity"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "and u I think yoga nandanda had a great"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "saying that for the most part uh humans"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "are limited by their own lack of"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "adventuresomeness."}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "In other words, we just a we don't"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "believe we can do this because we're"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "told we can't which is a as I said a"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "damnable lie. But on top of it, we have"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "this tendency to limit our experimental"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "adventuresomeness"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "where we never just sort of play with"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "this and have fun with it. So I tell"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "people that once you sort of realize"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "that you can do this because it's your"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "own innate ability. It doesn't you you"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "don't have to be Ingo Swan or Russell"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Tar or anyone else like that to do this."}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "Those people if you get to know them"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "well as as I did I got to know Ingo Swan"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "quite well. He would laugh and he would"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "say everyone can do this. It's just they"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "don't believe they can. And since they"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "believe they can't, they don't."}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "It's a little bit like that old saying,"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "uh, you know,"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "as you have faith, so shall your powers"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "and blessings be. In other words, if you"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "don't believe you can do something,"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "you're not going to do it because you've"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "already programmed yourself to fail. And"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "I think we have to sort of think about"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "how we were raised. I know I was raised"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "in a very materialistic, atheist family,"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "incredibly poor. I was starved as a"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "child, beaten, neglected, had to put"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "myself through high school, college, med"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "school, had a very very hard life. And"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "you so I and and we were all told, \"Ah,"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "you can't do anything.\" And I had to"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "sort of outgrow that where I said,"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "\"Well, maybe I'm not as dumb as I was"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "told, and I will do stuff.\" And I did."}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "you have to accept that. And and you're"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "there's no one who can do that for you."}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "You have to say, \"Okay, I'm an awake"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "person. I can learn some meditation"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "techniques. I'm not attached to what"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "techniques you use, by the way. If it"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "fires your rockets, go for it, honey.\""}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "But the point is is that you have to"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "first the very first thing is to say,"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "\"Wow, you know, I really can do this.\""}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "And then you start experimenting with"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "it. You have fun with it. And that's"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "sort of the very beginning of of the"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "adventure, let's call it, because once"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "you say you can do it and start playing"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "with it, all kinds of magical things"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "happen. I say magical only because"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "they're relegated to magic and mysticism"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "because our civilization has become so"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "materialistic that we've denied our true"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "nature which is as conscious universal"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "beings. But once we realize that each"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "and one of us are in fact not only awake"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "but the faculty within us of being aware"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "and conscious, we can become deeply"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "conscious just of that field and become"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "a seer of the future, a distant place"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "and an ambassador to these"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "civilizations. Or you can engage in"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "remote healing where you someone who is"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "sick, you put your awareness on them and"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "ask this this great spirit, this this"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "unbounded field of consciousness that is"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "at the root of our existence to help"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "that person,"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "you know, and and if you if you think"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "that won't happen, that your thought of"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "it not happening will make it not"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "happen. If you actually know it will and"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "understand consciousness as I'm trying"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "to do in this sort of short YouTube"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "video, then you realize it will work."}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": ">> If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

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Everyone knew it"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "was not a suicide."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "Um, I was just curious, is there a"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "particular ET civilization that's kind"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "of identified themselves to your contact"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "group? Um, I was think in terms of like"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "the Phoenix Lights. I know my"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "understanding is that they've attributed"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "that to the Yel civilization. So, I was"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "just curious if there's a particular"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "civilization that's kind of communicated"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "or identified themselves."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "She's asking if there's a particular ET"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "civilization that's identified itself to"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "a group. The answer is uh not one"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "particular but a number and a number of"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "different species and my our purpose of"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "our group is interstellar"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "diplomacy and bringing all of them"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "together."}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "See, so what we would want to avoid is"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "um a bilateral unilateral but bilateral"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "or bipolar"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "cosmos. And you want it to be"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "multilateral and you want it to be uh"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "all civilizations. If they're capable of"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "reaching this planet and in fact are"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "here or near or in our solar system or"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "have that capability, we would want to"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "have humans who are on a team who are"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "interested in dialogue,"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "peace, and what I call universal peace."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "I mean, world peace is is like the"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "treaty of, you know, the League of"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Nations is is way too late for just"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "world peace. Um,"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "we have to go unfortunately straight to"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "universal peace because it doesn't do"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "any good if you have world peace, but"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "the world is united against fighting one"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "or more ET civilizations."}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "That's not going forward. That's going"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "to oblivion. So, Hollywood"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "notwithstanding and the latest Tom Cruz"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "movie notwithstanding, you you really"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "cannot uh enter this subject if you're"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "serious about"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "having a future at all."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "without having a multilateral approach."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "And so we have had very specific contact"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "experience with different types of"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "species and uh what have you. And but my"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "view is that over the years it's many"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "different ones, different appearances,"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "heights, shapes, the whole bit, even in"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "some of the photographs we have. But the"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "the the point I make to people is that"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "doesn't really matter. That's the"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "external appearance. It's the fact that"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "they're all conscious, sentient, and"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "that what we want to move to is a time"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "of of universal peace."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "Uh that involves all these"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "civilizations. uh because you know you"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "cannot go into"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "if we're going to leave the sort of the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "last era behind the era of division and"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "fighting and warfare which has been the"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "primary organizing"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "principle of this planet for the last"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "few thousand years both financially and"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "institutionally has been war still is"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "still the biggest industry you know it's"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "trillions"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "um if you're going to move past that and"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "certainly if you're going to move in"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "space, you have to move into it with a"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "new consciousness. As Einstein said, no"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "problem's ever been solved by the"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "consciousness that created it. And so"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "the consciousness of us versus them and"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "picking and choosing and this and that."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "So from the very beginning, what I found"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "is that we were having experiences with"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "very different types of civilizations"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "and species, all shapes, sizes,"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "everything. And it's really beautiful."}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "And I think that's how that's by design."}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "The the the philosophy or the ethical"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "underpinning of what we're doing is"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "based on doing exactly that. So"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "yes, sir."}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "I'm curious is I I pay close attention"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "to the website and pay attention to the"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "money raised for the project related to"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "energy development."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "And I've noticed it sort of remained at"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "241k for a while."}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "That's right. it's pretty much after the"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "release it kind of just stayed there."}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "So, um with I mean you talk a lot a lot"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "about some very high level connections"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "both um in the military and wealthwise"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "as well and I'm just curious as to what"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "is the real obstacle from utilizing"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "those to get to I mean we're talking"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "about free energy $6 million is really"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "not that much money."}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "I agree with you."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "Yeah. He's asking the question with the"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "numbers of people who have been"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "interested and looked into these these"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "issues. Why hasn't the amount been"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "raised to create this sort of initial"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "two-year lab research project? And um"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "you know, you have to ask those people."}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "I know them. Uh I can tell you what"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "they've told me. The people who are"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "associated with governments and"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "contracting, they don't want to touch it"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "because they're afraid. Um there are"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "some high netw worth people I've"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "approached. Um, and I'll just give you"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "one example. I can give you this"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "example. You know, my wife knew the de"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "gory details of this and so did my whole"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "group. Um, and this is somebody who"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "lived in Virginia, not far from me, but"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "whose family were industrialists. And"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "they're they had about a $750 million a"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "year income. And, you know, five private"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "jets. And actually I' used them some"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "some of these planes to go to some"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "sensitive meetings. And so I approached"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "the sort of the scion the the elder of"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "this family really controlled the"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "operation. And I explained to him how"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "we're running out of time to get this"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "dealt with and would he do this and help"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "because basically the amount of money he"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "blows out of the tail of his Gulfream"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "jet would do it. And uh he said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "I'll tell you why."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "It's too dangerous and I'm not going to"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "risk my children and grandchildren who"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "fly around on my planes to do this.\" I"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "said, \"Well, if I'm doing it, why are"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "you at risk?\""}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "and he told me a very interesting story"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "that back in the like the late 1960s he"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "knew an executive with General Motors"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "who was telling him about the um zero"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "point type energy systems they had and"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "some of the classified research at"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "General Motors and that he felt it was"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "time for that to come out so that every"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "car coming off the assembly line was"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "basically an electric free energy car"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "didn't have to be plugged in I mean way"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "past a Tesla and this is I think in ' 68"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "um and he said 2 weeks later after he"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "had was openly talking about this, this"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "executive was found dead"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "um and it looked like a suicide but this"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "industrialist that I knew very well told"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "me that everyone knew it was not a"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "suicide"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "and so I found that you know pe the fear"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "is the mind killer. So, you know, there"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "are a lot of people who um"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "who know about this, but they don't want"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "to stick their necks out. Um the public"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "by and large just wants to be"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "entertained by it. You know, I would say"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "that if you know, you can launch an app"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "of,"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "you know, kitty cats playing pianos and"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "probably pull in $10 million in a month"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "or something. You know, what is it?"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Candy Crush or, you know, some of these"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "idiotic apps and and video games. Um but"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "I have not found that the public the"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "public is always no offense doing what"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "you're doing and that is why doesn't"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "someone else fund this. So it's a little"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "like like the little red hen phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "where you know the little red hen cook"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "want you know everyone wants to eat the"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "cake or bread but no one wants to help"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "cook it and so everyone's looking for"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "someone else to do it."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "um is it's like someone being stabbed on"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "the street of New York and everyone"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "watching and no one wants to intervene"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "because the people who are high enough"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "in in industry and finance"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "know that you're stepping on some big"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "toes if you move into this and the"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "masses for the most part mainly want to"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "be entertained by this subject. It's"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "just sort of a fascinating conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "theory sort of thing."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "And so but you know and so that's been"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "the problem. the the masses haven't put"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "in the funds as sort of a the movie was"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "crowdfunded but you know moving that"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "from a few hundred thousand to a few"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "million didn't happen and then the very"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "wealthy people for the most part are"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "really afraid of touching this third"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "rail boom zap."}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "Um but you know if you know someone"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "who's got the courage it's all about"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "courage"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "and whether it's going out and making"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "contact or may you know having the"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "courage to explore your own capabilities"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "and consciousness or doing this it's all"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "about the courage we manifest and um a"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "lot of times you find that people who"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "are quite wealthy and comfortable do not"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "want to step into something where they"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "could be in greatly in harm's way. Um"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "and so uh that fear can creates its own"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "containment. Now my own view of it is"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "that I think it's an unfounded fear. I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "not saying there's zero risk. I just"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "think that it's mostly psychological at"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "this point. Um and um besides I tell"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "people I'm the canary in the mine shaft."}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "So as long as I'm still twittering away,"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "you shouldn't have too much to worry"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "about. But um you know I there have been"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "a number of people I mean a few dozen"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "when I say a few dozen people who have"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "net worths north of hundreds of millions"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "to billions that I've met with but they"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "do not want to step into this. Um and"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "what would be easier is to find probably"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "10 or 12 people of more moderate worth"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "who would each put in 500,000 or"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "something. Um but that hasn't happened"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "either. So we'll see. I mean I all all I"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "say is that you know when the when"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "people when when there's a critical mass"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "of awareness and I keep doing everything"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "I can as a single individual"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "u then it'll happen and if not then it"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "won't happen and we'll get the"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "consequences of that and then it'll"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "happen in the aftermath at the phoenix I"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "call it the phoenix picking all up from"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "the ashes. Uh so it's not a there's no"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "question in my mind it will happen at"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "some point but will it be soon enough"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "and can we avoid a lot of huge problems?"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "I mean imagine if we had not needed M"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "East oil"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "50 60 70 years ago"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "um where we would not have had the"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "hegemony and the presence in the Middle"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "East that have led to the mess we're in"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "now. Um, never mind the biosphere being"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "damaged and the pollution and cancer"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "rates skyrocketing and but you know"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "again there was a fear of taking on the"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "macroeconomic status quo and the"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "macroeconomic status quo. I mean it's"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "like what when the minister of defense"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "of Canada Paul Helier and I were talking"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "about this I was at his home he says"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "that he was a macroeconomic person to"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "start with and he said basically that's"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "the big problem is that this is not"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "something that's just like creating"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "another computer system or it it's it's"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "bringing out a whole paradigm of science"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "technology"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "that would change the entire petro"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "dollar system and the whole"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "macroeconomic order and with it the"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "commodities markets and hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "trillions of dollars of wealth that"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "somebody owns that's sitting in the"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "ground in the form of uranium and oil"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "and coal and what have you plus all the"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "generating capacity that goes with it."}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "So it it's such a huge change that most"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "people don't want to entertain it doing"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "it. Um, and I've, you know, I've talked"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "to people at Goldman Sachs about this"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "and they said, \"Oh, yeah, you're talking"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "about basically wiping out $600 trillion"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "in assets.\""}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "So trillion. So, you know, and the whole"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "US federal government, including social"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "security and all the entitlements, is"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "three and a half trillion. So, this is"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "it's it the longer we put it off, the"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "more the world is dependent on the old"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "paradigm and the more it cannibalizes"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "and destroys itself. However, and it"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "becomes more and more difficult to do"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "So, it's kind of like uh putting off"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "repairing a your a leak in your roof at"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "your house. You can put it off and"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "eventually the damn thing's going to"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "cave in on your head, but all I can do,"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "you know, I don't have the resources to"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "do it and um"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "is articulate what could be done. Hope"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "there are some people who gather around"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "the vision and and and we get it done in"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "enough time. You know, you have to"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "understand when I started this in my"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "I guess I was in my mid30s and 1990 when"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "I started all this and my I thought well"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "if I put the information together and"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "provided it on a silver platter tied up"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "in a bow to the right people they do the"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "right thing."}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "wrong. So I got disabused of that notion"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "very quickly. Uh"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "but you know so ultimately that's why we"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "then said well disclosure of this"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "information the contact effort I I never"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "viewed the government doing that"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "initially. I always saw that as a"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "citizens diplomacy. Uh but then also the"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "technology I realized would have to be"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "coming from we the people. So it's about"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "organizing we the people. And so I tell"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "everyone who's listening to this, share"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "this information with the right people"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "in your network, send them to our site"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "and through networking, maybe the right"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "folks will line up who have the courage"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "to step forward and make it a reality."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "um or somebody with one of these"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "technologies who has one that's already"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "operational will step forward and be"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "willing to do something strategically"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "sane"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "because the strategically insane thing"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "to do is to do what Stan Meyer did and"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "Rossi is doing and almost every other"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "inventor I know had done which resulted"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "in a catastrophe."}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "So um all I can do is encourage and and"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "you know but I do think you know it's"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "all networking you know it's like"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "networking it out there. The way that"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "I've you know we've reached the people"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "we've reached is through networking. So"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "when you were talking about the"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "suppression of this knowledge, um I"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "guess my question uh to you is do you"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "subscribe to any kind of idea like"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "Illuminati"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "um you know curtailing this and um does"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "any type of negative kind of ET presence"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "fit in to that model where it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "been keeping it like a prison planet"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "type of idea? Well, the question is is"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "um in terms of the information being"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "kept secret, is there some um Illuminati"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "type entity or perhaps even ET presence"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "keeping it secret? Uh"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "I doubt it in the way that it's the"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "mythology, the internet mythology would"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "say it is. Um, I think it has more to do"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "with the fact that there are what they"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "call cartels,"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "interest groups that are also competing"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "interest groups, human, not ET, that"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "don't want certain aspects of this out."}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "And there are points where they"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "cooperate and there are points where"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "they don't. Um"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "now there's something the the latest"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "iteration of it I've been told from my"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "some of my intelligence sources is"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "called SIG SIG which is the senior inter"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "agency uh intelligence group and the SIG"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "um which you know from the old Majesty"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "and Majestic entity from the Truman era."}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "uh and uh on some of the documents I"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "have it says magic maj"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "um classification"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "uh those are you know intelligence"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "groups that operate out of normal chain"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "of command um they work with people in"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "different countries uh and then they"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "will usually have representation from"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "different interest groups such as"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "religious, technological, financial"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "um macroeconomic,"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "etc. and so on. Um and so there's not a"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "there's a really a simplistic view that"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "there's sort of like one group. It's the"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "Bilderberers. It's the Illuminati. It's"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "the this. 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It was like 200 people"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "and this issue came up"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "and the issue of uh it was a very"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "wealthy European fiance."}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "Um, and so this issue came up about uh"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "disclosure because it'd all been in the"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "news"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "and they had someone there to get up on"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "the stage and tell everyone that they"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "were part of a high, very high"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "governmental"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "scientific entity that had looked into"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "this, that none of it was true, that it"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "was all just misinterpretations."}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "and you know swamp gas and Venus rising"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "or whatever the usual blather and"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "all those 2500 people took it to heart"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "and believed it because it was their"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "periage. So I want to talk about"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "peer-to-peer"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "um containment systems. So you have one"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "group of periage it's called the US"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "Senate. Out of those hundred guys, one"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "or two people are read into or know"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "about this subject. Their task is to lie"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "to the other 99 or 98."}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "Bilderberers, there might be a handful"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "of them. They lie to the rest. Bohemian"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "Grove, same thing. So, people have this"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "very simplistic view of how secrecy like"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "this would be maintained and that"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "there's some sort of vast"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "sort of conspiracy and there'd be all"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "these people. Um because of"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "compartmentalization"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "there will be people and"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "compartmentalization is where you have"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "uh you know a very walled off area of"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "operation where it's compartmented to"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "that particular task or research and it"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "is so narrowly focused and the people in"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "there have such blinder they don't know"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "what the person in the next cubicle is"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "doing never mind what the big picture"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "is. So it's very easy when you have"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "extreme compartmentalization"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "to keep most people in the dark about"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "what's really going on and then there'll"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "be a handful of people who really know"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "and they may you know this committee if"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "you want to look at it that way uh this"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "intelligence group might have two or 30"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "hundred people from different countries"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "who are themselves members of different"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "elite groups and those folks would then"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "lie to their brethren."}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "in that periage"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "to deceive them and that's their job and"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "they're trained professionally to lie."}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "Um, so it isn't as if it So most of I"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "would say 99.999999%"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "of everything I've ever seen that's out"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "there on this"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "trash dump called the internet uh isn't"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "has any has almost no bearing in reality"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "um because it's just too imbecillic. It"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "would not be operating that way. Now for"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "special compartmented, you know, top"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "secret TSSCI, top secret special"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "compartment intelligence to operate,"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "it's the compartment part. It's not the"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "top secret part. There are 980,000"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "people in the United States with top"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "secret clearances, which means they're"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "communist dirt. Um, it's the compartment"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "you're in. All right? So you may have Q"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "clearance what used to be the you know"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "clearance for nuclear weapons and stuff"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "but doesn't mean that just because you"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "have Q clearance you have clearance into"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "um electromagnetics"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "in fact you almost certainly would not"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "so and the same thing goes in for"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "corporate"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "uh same thing goes for I it was"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "interesting I was at in San Francisco uh"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "at another time and there was a woman"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "who lived in Pacific Heights, the end of"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "Broadway where all the hund00 million"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "dollar mansions, you know, the Getty"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "home and Larry Ellison, all these people"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "live. And she was hosting her neighbors"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "for a salon."}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "And I was the guest for this dinner"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "party. And you know, I mean, there were"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "all these people. when the guy won one"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "side of me had been the chairman of"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "SRRI, Stanford Research International,"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "and they had had contracts dealing with"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "this issue, but he said I was only the"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "chairman of SRRI, so I didn't have a"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "need to know what was really going on."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "So because my I've never been in the"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "government but I have all these hundreds"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "of people who provided information from"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "all these different walks of life over"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "the last 50 years in terms of experience"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "people going all the way back to the 50s"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "60 years that sort of I've sort of"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "become sort of a source for that. So he"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "was at picking my brain here was the"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "chairman of SRRI and then across the"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "table was the chairman of AT&T."}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "Now, AT&T has had a lot of contracts"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "with the intelligence community dealing"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "with this issue, but the chairman of"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "AT&T didn't know about it because he was"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "only the chairman of AT&T. He was not"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "read into. Uh, so it's compartmented at"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "corporate,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "governmental, political, and religious"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "levels. Um"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "and uh it it's not so simple that you"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "there would be some one entity you can"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "name and then you know sort of vent your"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "spleen that group is now the question of"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "whether there are interstellar"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "civilizations that are cooperating or"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "facilitating that I'm very skeptical of"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "but it could be theoretically possible"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "that in the early days they were hoping"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "that there would be some kind of uh rock"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "pole"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "with uh leaders"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "military or political"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "and have had had contact an ongoing"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "level of that is less likely but if it"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "is if it is happening then we need a C5"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "effort even more here's what I always"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "say to people let's say that there are"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "they say now 11 billion star systems in"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "the Milky Way that have um earthlike"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "planets around them and the Milky Way is"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "only one of billions of galaxies. The"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "likelihood is that there are countless"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "numbers of civilizations out there and"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "you can't prove a negative. I can't say"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "everyone is at a state of enlightenment."}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "I will say that if they're become"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "interstellar and they haven't blown"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "themselves up yet, they're more involved"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "than we are. Um, however, it could be"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "that there are some that have interests"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "and ethical concerns that don't comport"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "with contemporary human ones, but that's"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "where you would need to have even more"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "of a diplomatic communicative effort."}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "And the worst thing you can do is"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "relegate that to people in covert"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "military operations because they're only"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "looking at the universe with rosecolored"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "military glasses on. And it's all about"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "power and control."}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "And so, uh, you know, it's sort of like"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "when, uh, there used to be a, uh, US"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "senator from Virginia,"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "uh, named John Warner, not the current"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "Mark Warner, no relation. And he had"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "been chairman of armed services and"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "Intel, various things. And, uh, I knew"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "he was involved with, uh, Majestic,"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "Majesty, and MJ Magic. Um and he had"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "been uh one of the secretaries of the"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "Navy way back I believe or under"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "secretary of the Navy and um one of his"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "uh a member of my team who had dated him"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "for a while"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "uh went out at his place in Virginia,"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "met with him and brought this whole"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "issue up"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "and he basically listened to her and"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "said nothing stonefaced."}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "and where she"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "left off the previous conversation to"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "that exact word, he picked it up and"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "continued and just that issue was just"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "sequestered out. He would not"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "acknowledge it at all. And my my one of"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "my military adviserss had the same"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "experience with Admiral Harry Train who"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "did the exact same thing uh when it was"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "brought up though except he also said he"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "said I am profoundly disinterested in"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "discussing this issue with you and"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "dropped it."}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "Okay. And that was the same admiral who"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "was at Atlantic command when we went to"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "full code zebra because of these craft"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "off the coast of eastern coast uh of the"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "United States. Um so I think that you"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "know they're very very disciplined about"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "that. Um, and I've met with a number of"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "these sort of characters and um, and yet"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "you have other people like Senator"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "Claybornne Pel who the Pale Grants"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "anyone who was really poor like I was"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "who got a Pell Grant to go to college."}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "uh, I was at a dinner party with him. In"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "fact, my wife and I were were there and"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "um, for a Noetic Sciences Institute. And"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "uh um"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "at through the dinner party, we went out"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "on on the"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "patio of this beautiful home in San"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "Rafll near George Lucas's place right"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "next to Skywalker Ranch. And we were"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "there and and Senator Pel and I were"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "talking and he just sort of epitomized"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "no bless oblige and was this wonderful"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "guy, very very genuine, crossed the"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "aisle, tried to do great things for the"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "country. Um, patrician,"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "very great, and we were talking and you"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "know and he turned to me, he says,"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "\"Well, Dr. Greer, would you come and and"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "brief my staff on this?\" And I said,"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "\"Well, sure, anytime you want me to.\" I"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "he says because we've asked about this"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "and no one's ever told us anything and"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "he'd been on every committee"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "and and I and I was looking at him and I"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "looked up at the stars and I looked at"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "him and I said, \"You know, you've been"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "deprived of dealing with the ultimate"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "foreign relations issue and you're the"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "chairman of the foreign relations"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "committee.\" And I pointed to the stars"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "above my head and he looked at me"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "through those, you know, horn rim"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "glasses and blinked. He says, \"Well, Dr."}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "Grim afraid you might be right. I said,"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "\"Well, I am.\""}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "And it was really a poignant but really"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "innocent funny but sad moment that"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "here's this guy you know had been in"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "Congress or the Senate since the 50s"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "then been denied any information on this"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "who would have been a great interstellar"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "diplomat"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "and instead the wise the enlightened"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "um the peaceloving people who should"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "have been handling this got shoved to"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "the side relegated ated to the scrap"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "heap of history and the wararmongers and"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "the control freaks and the misanthropic"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "money"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "uh I have a few other adjectives I'll"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "leave off uh kind of took it over"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "which is what happened as Eisenhower"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "famously said beware the"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "military-industrial complex he was"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "specifically talking about the fact he"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "lost control over this and other issues"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "in 1956 when 56 when uh Nelson"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "Rockefeller, the Rockefeller Commission,"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "Lawrence's brother, Nelson Rockefeller,"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "reorganized"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "the Department of Defense and CIA under"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "the Rockefeller Commission in 1956."}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "So, no president"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "since 1956 has op has had even if"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "they've known about the issue, they have"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "not had operational control over these"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "projects. So, it's been an"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "unconstitutional"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "off the rails for the last almost 60"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "check out the next one right here on The"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "Best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This will disturb you. You may not sleep"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "tonight. These civilizations out in"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "space are absolutely fed up with that."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "And let me be clear about this. This is"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "a warning and it is a threat. If we stay"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "on that path much longer,"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "the dangers to peaceful civilizations"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "out in space and other transdimensional"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "space-based civilizations"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "is that it is untenable. So, we're at a"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "crisis and we have to fix it. And the"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "way we're going to fix it is"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "by 1992"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "because we had successfully"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "invited. We don't summon and call or"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "boss the ETSs around. It's a it's a"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "diplomatic invitation. So, let's get our"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "linguistics down here. If you summon"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "someone, you're you're at Downtown Abbey"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "being the Earl of whatever summoning the"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "butler to bring UT, right? We're not"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "summoning ETSs that way. We don't call"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "them and they come at our beck and call."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "That is undiplomatic."}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "It's demeaning. It's disrespectful. And"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "it's the opposite"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "of what we're doing with C5 contact."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "That is not the consciousness behind it."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "The consciousness behind it is an"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "invitation to make contact for peaceful"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "relationship building between species,"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "humans and nonhuman intelligence. It is"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "not acquisitive. It's not to shoot them"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "out of the sky with a electromagnetic"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "pulse weapon, grab their technology,"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "capture the living beings and put them"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "under bases or kill them. That is the"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "that operation is"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "180 degrees diametrically opposite of"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "what C5 contact teams are doing. I want"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "to make this crystal clear and I will"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "say it three more times during the"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "podcast. It couldn't be more diff"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "different. And so people with their sort"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "of superficial understanding of this can"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "easily conflate those two, right?"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "Couldn't be more different. They are"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "absolutely not related. In fact, they"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "are at complete opposite ends of what we"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "should be looking at. So the one is an"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "act of kinetic militaristic invasive"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "using psionics"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "violence targeting of a craft hijacking"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "their control system. I'll get to this"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "in a minute. I understand how it works."}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "moving them into 3D and into range,"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "hitting them with a weapon, bringing"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "them down, preferably in one piece so"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "they can be studied and reverse"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "engineered. And sometimes the the NHI"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "people are killed, sometimes they're"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "caught living. Uh sometimes the ones"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "that are captured are"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "nanobbiotechnological"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "drones that are not the the indigenous"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "ETSs but ones that are um very advanced."}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "I've talked about this since the 90 what"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "was called nanobiotechnology where you"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "can have a living life form that's"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "actually an operational being and both"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "ET civilizations have them for security"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "purposes but so do covert programs by"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "the way and those are the guys those"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "creatures are the ones doing the"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "abductions the man-made drones"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "or robots but they're very sophisticated"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "I mean some are kind of clumsy robotic"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "and some are very biological I've talked"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "about this since the 90s"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Now, the actual ET beings that often are"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "on these craft, they often do get killed"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "or they get captured. And um I've been"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "told by many of these special forces"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "guys who have been in these bases that"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "there's a number of them still in"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "captivity, which they euphemistically"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "call I like the wordage they use this to"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "sort of whitewash what's going on. Uh"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "refugees. Well, they're not refugees."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "they've been captured and they're"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "prisoners of these aggressive uh"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "military and corporate programs. So"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "those need to be liberated and we're"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "working on that through a group of"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "special forces guys which I can talk a"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "little bit about. Um"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "now the EC5 contact is not geared"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "towards"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "um any uh self arandizing purpose. It's"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "not to give you entertainment because"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "you saw a UFO. It's not to get their"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "technology so we can reverse engineer it"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "and then beat the out of the ETSs"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "with it, which is what the military and"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "and corporate programs have done for 70"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "It's to make peaceful contact and"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "develop a deep relationship between"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "humanity, our species, and their"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "civilizations, plural, of which there"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "are many, for going forward in a time of"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "not just world peace, but universal"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "peace. That's why our motto is one"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "universe, one people. And the foundation"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "of universal peace is not shooting each"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "other out of the sky so we can be the"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "big monkey and figure out how to get"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "their technology. That's not it. Um it's"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "to create a future where we do have the"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "technologies. We already have them. We"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "don't have to keep shooting them down."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "That would run the planet with zero"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "point energy and free energy and no"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "pollution and in a generation eliminate"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "all the suffering and poverty on the"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "planet. create huge new advances in"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "medical healing systems, all kinds of"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "positive thing. And the ETSs want that,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "but we don't have to kill them. We don't"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "have to capture them. We don't have to"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "hijack their their aircraft, their NHI"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "craft, and we don't most certainly don't"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "have to hit them with weapons to bring"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "them down. This is not the way to do"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "this. Absolutely not. It's immoral. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "dangerous. Now, let me pivot for just"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "one moment. This will disturb you. you"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "may not sleep tonight."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "Uh, and I've known this for some time,"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "but in the last two years, I've had"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "three separate people who have been in"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "comm centers, communication centers, a"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "classified basis that have told me there"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "has been intercepted communications from"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "NHI that there are just about fed up"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "with that nonsense"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "of us targeting them, damaging them,"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "captivating their people, and doing this"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "in a kinetic, meaning violent"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "Kinetic is another euphemism in the"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "military. just kinetic. It's just, you"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "know, casualties and destruction,"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "violence, uh, manner. And then that the"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "problem is"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "because we have these advanced"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "technologies that are psionic and"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "technological,"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "our craft, the ones that we have that"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "are man-made, have pretty much reached"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "almost an indistinguishable level with"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "the uh, NHI craft or ET craft. But by"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "using this technology in an aggressive"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "military and corporate way to simply get"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "more and more of their stuff, their"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "goodies, their technology, which is what"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "all the billionaires want, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "Because they only think one way. How do"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "I become a trillionaire if I'm a"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "billionaire? That's all they care about,"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "These civilizations out in space are"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "absolutely fed up with that. And let me"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "be clear about this. This is a warning"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "and it is a threat. If we stay on that"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "path much longer,"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "the dangers to peaceful civilizations"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "out in space and other transdimensional"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "space-based civilizations is that it is"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "untenable. So, we're in a crisis and we"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "have to fix it. And the way we're going"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "to fix it is to stand down completely"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "those aggressive"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "weapon systems. Now, one of the"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "executive orders that I have recommended"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "to the incoming president and the"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "Congress"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "is a immediate sessation of the use of"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "those systems to target bring down these"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "craft through a forced effort as opposed"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "to peaceful contact. So we need to take"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "that sword and all those tools they have"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "but turn it into this plowshare of open"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "peaceful contact without the ulterior"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "selfish motive of let's steal and"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "reverse engineer more of their tech."}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "We've already done that. It's been done"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "for 70 80 years. We don't need to"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "recreate that wheel. We need to disclose"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "the technologies that already are"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "existing that are be used peacefully."}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "not the things that fly but the energy"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "generation. But we don't need to go from"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "one legacy program to something that"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "would be equally"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "uh misguided and would be using"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "technologies that are sigh related"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "aggressively or in a way that is forced."}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "There should be no more force takeover"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "of the craft. There is and there should"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "be no more striking of them with any"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "type of electromagnetic weapon. So that"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "needs to be done by an executive order"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "and a law passed through Congress and"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "then it has to be enforced. And the way"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "it's going to be enforced are these"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "special forces guys who've separated"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "from the military are now ready to work"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "under a law enforcement team in the"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "United States. and there's another team"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "being stood up that could operate"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "overseas. So, I'm involved with I'm"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "involved with briefing them and I'm"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "involved in in trying to get them up to"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "speed, but they can't act. My friends,"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "listen, we live purportedly in a"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "democracy. They can't act unless the"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "president and the Congress acts and"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "because then they would be"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "unconstitutional in Rogue, right? So,"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "which they don't want to be. They want"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "to operate under the rule of law and the"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "rule of the constitution. So we need to"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "write our leaders and explain please"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "pass the executive orders that Dr. Greer"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "has provided in the presidential"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "briefing document and the briefing"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "document for Congress. Soon we're going"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "to publish that entire document except"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "with certain redactions for"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "sensitive reasons uh that everyone"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "listening and everyone in the world can"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "read and it will be a it'll be a page"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "turner. It's 310 or 20 pages something"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "like that. Dr. Bear, I have a really"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "important question for you. So, I I"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "guarantee you there's people listening"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "to this right now who are hearing you"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "say, you know, the ETSs have drawn a red"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "line in the sand, and if this goes much"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "further, they're not going to put up"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "with it. And they're going to come here,"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "and they're going to intervene. And the"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "people hearing this are saying, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "fantastic. Finally. That's exactly what"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "we want. That's what we've been waiting"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "for. So, we don't have to do anything."}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "The ETSs are going to come and solve it"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "for us.\" So could you please explain why"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "we really do not want this to happen?"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "Yeah, that intervention externally by"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "NHI, it's a worst case scenario. The"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "very worst because"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "there are already predispositions in"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "human nature to believe that would be a"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "violent uh invasion, alien invasion. Go"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "look at War of the Worlds. Go look at uh"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "Independence Day."}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "uh those movies were, you know,"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "basically showing uh what a a a sort of"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "more frontal forced disclosure by the"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "ETSs would be interpreted as. But beyond"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "that, the whole media, not to mention"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "the UFO world, has already been"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "predisposed to believe that because"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "beginning in the late 50s and early 60s,"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "once we mastered gravity control and had"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "our own ARVs, alien reproduction"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "vehicles, reverse engineered man-made"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "craft, and we started doing the stage"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "craft as it's called, of mutilations and"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "abductions, blowing up villages in"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "Africa and South America,"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "everything that we've disclosed about"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "this. It has caused the human"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "consciousness to be predisposed towards"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "the ETSs being a malevolent force coming"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "to invade us. Now, these special forces"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "guys coming forward are saying no,"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "they're absolutely not. They the"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "experiences they've had is some of the"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "most beautiful uh the real ET"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "experiences are indescribably beautiful"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "in consciousness and in heart. The"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "problem is the general public has"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "already been brainwashed because these"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "psychological warfare operations known"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "as SCOPs that were launched in the 50s"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "uh are now you know 65 plus years in in"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "the making. So they've had twothirds of"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "a century to embed in the"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "subconsciousness of humanity that an"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "alien present is a priori malevolent or"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "demonic or something horrible and"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "they're coming to invade us. So that's"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "all disinformation."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "But humans have a proclivity to believe"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "it. Why? Because that's what we do to"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "each other. That's what the Holocaust"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "was. My grandmother was Cherokee. Look"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "at the triters. Talk about a holocaust."}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "You know, this is man's inhumity to man."}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "We are already conditioned that one more"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "powerful group interfacing with a less"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "technologically advanced group is going"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "to dominate them and destroy them. This"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "has been our human collective conscious"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "experience for thousands of years. So,"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "we're both innately predisposed to this."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "But with on top of that they have staged"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "all these horrible frightening"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "events which everyone from the president"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "on down think are actually NHI. Right."}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "Most of the special forces guys remember"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "the all these special forces guys have"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "worked in extremely narrow"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "compartmented operations as tactical"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "operators or whatever they were. They"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "don't know what's going on in all these"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "other compartments. This is the"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "disclosure mosaic I we have to put"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "together that I'm trying to do so that"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "there is some context to understand why"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "the decisions are that we have to fix"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "this problem ourselves. The worst case"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "scenario is that the NHI craft and ETSs"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "fix it because it will no matter how"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "benign their intentions, it will be"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "misinterpreted"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "by and misprayed by the corrupt"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "corporate media, governments, and the"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "secret organizations that are criminal"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "that this has been their long-term plan."}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "And then Verer von Brown in his deathbed"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "said"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "the big plan that's going to happen,"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "this was 50 years ago in 1974 and said"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "to Carol Rosen, is that the big"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "long-term plan is to present a threat"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "from outer space as alien so we can"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "unite the world around this totalitarian"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "militaristic superstate that they've"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "spent trillions dollars trillions of"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "dollars preparing people for. Um, and we"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "have to say no to that. So there has to"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "be this mass human awakening to the"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "truth about the issue as opposed to the"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "false narrative. The big risk of"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "disclosure at all, and I've known this"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "for a long time, is that that the"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "minority opinion is going to be what I"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "just said. The majority are already"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "brainwashed to believe the worst. And"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "this you see in comments from members of"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "Congress. You see this from people who"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "who are very close to the incoming"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "administration,"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "people like Tucker Carlson who says,"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "\"Oh, these are demons.\""}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "I was recently on a podcast uh for uh"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "Charlie Kirk who is a religious uh"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "person, very religious person at Turning"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "Point USA. And uh I was asked that"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "question and I said, \"Let me quote Mr."}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "Buchi"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "from the the senior theologian Pope John"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "Paul when I was at his his at the"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "Vatican with him and he said neither"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "uh angels nor demons need flying"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "saucers. That's right. Right. So people"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "because they all this different"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "phenomena"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "plural extradimensional other dimensions"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "NHIT"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "it all gets mixed together. But the CIA"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "and other people who are players in this"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "want that confusion and in that"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "confusion they can drive their"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "narrative. So and that narrative leads"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "to what? World War II. It leads to an"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "interplanetary conflict. And that is an"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "extinction level event by any measure"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "when you're not talking about nuclear"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "weapons. We're talking about our species"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "trying to fight another. Well, isn't"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "that what would happen if the ETSs were"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "to be provoked into an intervention?"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "It's not like uh the people running"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "these programs who are sitting on"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "technology that has reached parody with"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "the ETSs. It's not like they wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "put up a fight, right? So, we would be"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "talking about a massive battle."}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "Actually, that's they would not need to"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "do that and they wouldn't do that. I"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "mean although we have assets that would"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "make this look that's what they're"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "doing. Got it. They they would simp and"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "instantly all these systems could be"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "shut down. People have no idea what"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "those capabilities are. It's you know"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "people looked at too much science"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "fiction. This is not not Star Trek or"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "Star Wars or what that you leave that in"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "Hollywood. All right. In someone's"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "basement um where they we fabricate all"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "this nonsense. um if you understand a"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "little bit about those capabilities,"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "it'd be point set match in a fraction of"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "a second. So that's not going to happen"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "um that way. What's more likely,"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "however, is that we would then trigger"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "our own man-made craft and creatures"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "that are man-made to engage in all kinds"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "of violent activity. And this they're"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "planning to do anyway. See, this is the"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "other problem. The long-term plan has"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "been to take all these fleets of"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "man-made UFOs"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "because trillions of dollars and"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "Lockheed Gunk works and North Grumman"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "and Rathon and SIC and Booze Allen"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "Hamilton and uh you know EG&G all these"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "big corporate contractors for these"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "covert uh NHI retrieval craft operations"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "over 70 80 years they've had massive"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "breakthroughs beyond what you can"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "imagine. And so that's why one of our"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "whistleblowers in in when I was doing"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "the briefings for Congress in 1997,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "uh he was taken out of the hotel the"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "night before the congressional meetings"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "and taken to a secure location quote"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "unquote out in Virginia. And uh but"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "before that, he had met with us and said"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "he had been on an inter agency committee"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "where they could hit a button. This is"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "1974. He was on this committee 50 years"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "ago. We can hit a button, he said, and"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "all of a sudden the skies are going to"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "fill up with man-made ET craft, UFOs. No"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "one's going to know where they are, and"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "they can engage and start doing violent"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "activities. And it will fool everyone in"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "the US government and every government"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "around the world, never mind the press"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "and the media. That's why they started"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "right before all this right before the"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "new administration, they started doing"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "all this crazy drone stuff. They're sort"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "of sort of given a little warning. We"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "can start launching all kinds of stuff."}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "And that was nothing. That was just, you"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "know, buffoonery"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "uh by comparison. So, we know what their"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "capabilities are. I do for a fact. I've"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "seen them. So,"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "that's the real danger. Which is why,"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "let's pivot back to a point I made a"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "moment ago. It's very important that the"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "current administration"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "now that they just come into office on"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "Monday,"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "um, and the new Congress"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "move quickly"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "to issue directives to get those sort of"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "capabilities that are human under proper"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "control. because if they're not, they"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "can launch that false flag operation."}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "Some people call it Project Blue Beam."}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "That's not a term I've heard from any"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "legitimate uh operative, by the way. Um,"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "is there a name to it that you do know"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "of? No. Okay. No,"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "excuse me. So, but look, if I have that"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "information when I have it, I share it."}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "If you dredge this stuff off the"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "internet, I ignore it. Remember, I have"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "765"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "whistleblowers I've dealt with over the"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "years that I've debriefed and gotten"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "information from. Firstand people like"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "the guys just coming forward. They're"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "the, you know, and by the way, what"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "they're sharing about people forget in"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "2001, we did the National Press Club and"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "we had people there who were on the"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "retrieval teams in the 60s doing"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "precisely what these guys are talking"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "about having done in the 2000s. It's the"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "same thing. So, you know, the only"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "difference is that group possesses, but"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "are not yet releasing a trunch of"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "dispositive evidence that are located in"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "secure sites. I don't have them. Um,"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "they didn't want me to have them because"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "they thought I'd be killed. They're very"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "sweet. They they honestly feel that if I"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "possess that, I'd be dead. So,"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "and I appreciate that. I mean people"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "there's a real sweetness among some some"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "of I mean they've been very hardened"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "guys. A lot of them have PTSD and other"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "things from their careers but they're"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "actually incredibly sweet to me and and"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "they've been very kind in many ways. So"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "um and I appreciate that. I'm not trying"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "to blow off the risk of that because"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "look I mean they do have wet work"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "assassination teams. They go after"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "people that have something that's too"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "hot. And what I was told by those guys,"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "we don't want you to hold this hot"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "potato. It's too dangerous. If you"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "enjoyed this video, make sure to check"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "out the next one right here on The Best"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

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I thought it was a deer"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "standing on its hind legs cuz it had"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "beautiful almond shaped eyes and came"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "over and"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Today we really want to focus heavily on"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "the contrast and I would call this"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "podcast"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "uh military and corporate"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "uh psionic contact"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "with NHI versus C5 contact. What's the"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "difference? 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It's a whole training"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "program in uh consciousness,"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "remote viewing, contact, all the"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "protocols, how to form a team, the"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "equipment you need, etc. and so on. So,"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "just remember that. Also, if you want"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "one of these shirts, you can get them at"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "our store. Uh drstephveng.com has a link"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "to it. So, a lot of people who are on C5"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "teams like to have those and uh it's"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "just sort of fun. I'm wearing it today"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "because I like blue. It's my favorite"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "color. Um, and uh, yeah, it's totally my"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "favorite color."}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "It's what the Earth looks like from"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "space. This. So, uh, the Earth is so"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "beautiful. And, uh, so, first, let me"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "let me lay the foundation of of where my"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "comments are coming from. And this is"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "going to disturb a lot of people. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "I'll just give you a trigger warning"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "right here. Um in 1991 I wrote a paper"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "which you can see in our first book and"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "we can actually you know put the cover"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "of this up on the screen uh"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "extraterrestrial contact the evidence"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "and implications. It came out in the"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "'90s and it's a collection of white"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "papers and uh position papers on this"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "subject. One of the early ones I wrote"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "was the comprehensive assessment of the"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "UFO"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "subject. 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So there's TAC and CAT."}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "I'll just use that from now on because"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "it's short. It's a nice acronym. So TAC"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "and CAT are is a two-way system where an"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "individual's consciousness and mind and"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "what we call coherent thought can"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "interface seamlessly with very advanced"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "electromagnetic systems that are phasing"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "transdimensionally. In other words,"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "beyond just the speed of light and vice"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "versa. And I had discovered this."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "This is perhaps more disturbing to most"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "people. In 19"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "1973"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "when I was 18, so now I've known about"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "this for 51 years because I was 18 then."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "I'm 69 now. And I had a contact"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "experience"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "with nonhuman ET craft and individuals"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "because 6 months earlier I had had an"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "extraordinary near-death experience and"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "then began to study after I survived"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "that physical catastrophe"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "um what consciousness was and what the"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "deep spirit of ourselves is. And I"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "became a very avid student of"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "consciousness uh quantum entanglement"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "where everything's connected to each"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "other through the mind and began to do"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "this. And then one night, one fateful"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "night in October 1973,"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "I'm up in the mountains of North"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "Carolina and I go up to meditate in this"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "remote place up at about 5,200 ft up and"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "crystal clear day, gorgeous,"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "and there was an ET craft that appeared"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "before sunset in the uh southwest"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "uh close and it materialized, came into"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "3D and vanished. It was exactly the"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "craft my twin sister and some boys in"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "the neighborhood when I grew was growing"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "up in North Carolina near Charlotte saw"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "uh in in 1963 when I was 8 years old."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "And so I just acknowledged them and"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "didn't think more about it. And I said,"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "\"Well, that's interesting. They're"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "back.\" And so I go into this very deep"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "meditation."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "Um and at the end of it I uh come out of"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "this deep state and I have an experience"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "that was exactly like what I experienced"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "when I died 6 months earlier in in March"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "of of 1973"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "where I was but at this point instead of"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "being out of my body in space I was in"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "my body on the ground but where that"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "state of unity consciousness the oneness"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "of consciousness that's infinite within"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "all of us I experienced while I was my"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "eyes were open and I w this is amazing"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "and this beautiful thought was sent to"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "me it said behold what a beautiful"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "universe God has made and the whole"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Milky Way was stretched over um"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "it I I sort of became one with that and"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "the whole cosmos while I was in my Now"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "remember this is 1973. I didn't have the"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "knowledge I have now of either"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "ETSs NHI or even a deep study in in"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "consciousness or physics. You know I"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "just come out of high school right and I"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "was my first uh semester of college. So"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "this was up in the mountains of North"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "Carolina by the way. Um, but with that I"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "then realized that over the crest of the"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "hill was a glow and it was this craft I"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "had seen before I went into meditation."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "And all of a sudden it didn't walk up."}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "It just appeared was uh a a person who"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "in my young man's mind. I thought it was"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "a deer standing on its hind legs because"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "it had beautiful almondshaped eyes."}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "and came over and"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "touched."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "Now, I was wearing a kind of a ski"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "jacket because it was cold. You You're"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "up that high in October and it was"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "really a beautiful crystal clear front."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "It come in from uh Canada, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "where it's chilly at night and uh so it"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "probably was in the maybe 30s, 40s. So,"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "I had this coat on. I could see the ET."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "It then became invisible."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "and touched my shoulder, but I could see"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "it indent"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "the uh puffiness and I could feel it"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "touch. I could replicate it on you. If I"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "were to touch it, I could tell you"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "exactly the the force of how it touched"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "me very firmly but gently. And with"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "that, I dematerialized, went on a craft."}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "Now, I thought that was about half an"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "hour, maybe 45 minutes. It turned out"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "was three or four hours. And that is"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "when I studied and and meditated with"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "this group of uh NHI people to create"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "what we now call the C5 contact uh"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "initiative and protocols and that's what"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "we're doing and that's how it started."}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "So that's the genesis of actual uh C5"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "contact very different from what I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "about to talk about. Now, the reason I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "giving you this short summary, which you"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "can read about this other places more"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "thoroughly, I think in my book, Hidden"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "Truth, Forbidden Knowledge, uh it goes"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "into this in some more detail, but I'm"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "not going to waste a lot of time on"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "that. It's a beautiful story, actually."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "Um, now people say, \"Oh, you were"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "abducted.\" I said, \"No, I was contacted"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "and there's a big difference.\" So, I had"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "contact, not abduction."}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "So, it was a a very amazing, beautiful"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "um and like our special forces friend"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "commented,"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "it's o overwhelmingly beautiful and it's"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "overwhelmingly loving and high"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "consciousness and"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "um it's just hard to put into words."}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "That's why it's so emotional. That's"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "real contact. The scary stuff is CIA."}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "So, if you haven't figured that out yet,"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "I'm sorry, but you're 30 years behind"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "the curve of what we've been disclosing."}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "Now, um, so, you know, hurry up, catch"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "up, slow-mo. I mean, this is the trains"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "left the station. Now, here's the other,"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "so here's the other part of this. So,"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "time goes by the time I start this"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "project in uh 1990,"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "which is in itself another whole"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "podcast, but we won't get into that. I"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "want to address this because we'll run"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "out of time. Okay, I'm going to skip"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "over a whole lot of information that's"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "really quite beautiful and amazing. Um,"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "I immediately decided it was going to"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "primarily be focused on contact"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "peacefully with NHI ETSs for the purpose"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "of creating a interplanetary"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "relationship and and to create a"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "civilization that will evolve from where"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "it is now, isolated, fighting amongst"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "itself to peaceful and going out into"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "space peacefully. And that was the sort"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "of task I was given to do. So, so that's"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "the genesis of C5 contact. Very very"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "simple in a way. It's extraordinary to"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "some people, but to me it's very clear"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "and clean and direct and and uh pure."}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "So when I started the project, I started"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "going to I didn't know anyone in in on"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "anyone related to this subject. So I"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "went to a couple meetings. I went to"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "some UFO organizations annual conference"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "in 1990 in the summer. Uh got"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "intercepted by some CIA guys who somehow"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "knew who I was, which I was obscure. I'm"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "a doctor, trauma emergency. And I don't"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "I said, \"Well, how do you know me?\" But"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "somehow I was on the radar. And then uh"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "the following year went to another one"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "where the board of that organization"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "pulled me in. They said, you know, we're"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "all either intelligence or former"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "intelligence officials. I'm not going to"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "say what the organization is, but you"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "would all know it if I spoke. So I said,"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "\"Well, that's fine, but\" and they wanted"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "me to be on the board. I said, \"No, I'm"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "not interested. I don't want to be"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "involved in that sort of thing.\" Right?"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "And around that same time, a man"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "approached me who was this olden"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "brilliant genius scientist in his 80s."}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "But in 1956,"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "now think about this. 1956, I was born"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "in I was one year old. He had invented a"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "very advanced electromagnetic system"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "like a headset that you could wear and"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "it would facilitate"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "through very advanced electronics"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "going into a state of consciousness"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "where you could remote view but also"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "remotely influence"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "places through consciousness and thought"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "and it was real. So this was TAC."}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "Man-made TAC."}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "Yes. This was man-made technology"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "assisted consciousness, but also it was"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "consciousness that could assist or"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "influence other technology or 3D"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "objects. So it was both. And he offered"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "it to me cuz he was going to die soon."}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "He was probably in his mid80s."}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "So remember this is 1991. He had"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "admitted it in 1956"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "uh under spooky arrangements with the"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "military-industrial complex. But"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "remember, we started studying ET"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "material and craft at least by the 40s,"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "mid-4s. So that's 11 years on. And one"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "of the projects was communications,"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "not everyone gets stuck on energy and"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "propulsion, but there's a lot more right"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "now when you start talking about"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "transdimensional"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "communications"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "interstellar where you have to"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "communicate across the vastness of"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "space. You're going through the ultimate"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "transdimensional"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "uh switchboard known as mind"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "consciousness in its non-local expanded"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "infinite form. And this is why I tell"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "people the operating system for C5"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "contact or for anything dealing with"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "these civilizations is understanding"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "very deeply the science of"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "consciousness. Period. Now I of course"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "have always been ridiculed for this."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "Called a coup, called a quack, called I"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "don't care, you know, I I'm sort of"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "bulletproof or what you want to call me,"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "but because I've been called everything"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "over the last 35 years, but that is a"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "fact. Now, that's coming out now with"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "what they're talking about with these P3"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "and psionic programs. But I want to"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "explain the stark difference, very"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "stark. There are 180 degrees"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "diametrically opposed. Now, eventually I"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "told this gentleman, I said, \"Look, if I"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "possess something like that, I'm quite"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "sure I'll be killed.\" And I don't think"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "that most people are at a level of"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "higher consciousness where they can"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "possess such a technology and not use it"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "for selfish purposes because something"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "like that is so powerful. Forget AI."}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "This would be that on mega steroids,"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "That is something that there has to be a"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "certain evolution"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "in human consciousness and peaceful"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "consciousness. And I hate to use these"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "oldfashioned terms, altruism and"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "selflessness"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "before you possess that. Now, I would"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "have been able to possess it and done no"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "harm, but I don't think that that's"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "something that if you look at the fact"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "that about 12% of humans are sociopaths"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "and within that category, there are a"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "lot that are psychopaths"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "who usually become dictators and leaders"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "around the world and CEOs of companies."}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "That is not a great idea. Okay. So, I"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "said, \"Thank you, but no thank you.\" And"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "I'm glad to know that this exists"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "because it it explains a lot of what I"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "already had begun to experience by"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "people approaching me from the"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "intelligence community."}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "And then a year later approximately, I I"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "can't remember the month in ' 91 that I"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "met this gentleman. He's long since"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "passed away. And by the way, the company"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "uh there was a a front company that was"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "a cutout fronting for the CIA that"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "bought that technology called"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "Alphametric Corporation is what he told"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "me. I'm sure there's no trace of it. I'm"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "sure it was something invisible"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "uh shell company that uh absorbed it and"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "then took it. But he still understood"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "alpha. Alpha is in alphabet."}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "Yeah. Alpha metric corporation. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "So, uh,"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "do with that what you will. So, um, I"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "mean that's 1956. I mean, you know, they"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "can erase records. If it if there's any"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "track track record of it, I'd be"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "surprised. Nevertheless, I said thanks,"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "but no thanks, right? For the reasons I"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "just explained. Um, it it's security and"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "safety. Um, I didn't think it was"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "something that people we were ready to"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "do and I knew it would put a big"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "bullseye on us and on me. So, but he was"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "a sincere guy wanting to help cuz he"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "thought this is what we should have"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "always used this for, right? Is what"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "you're doing. Not what the"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "military-industrial"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "complex, not what Loheed and Northrup"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "and Rathon and the military people who"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "are running covert programs using tech"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "like this to target and down ET crap and"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "kill them, right?"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "So you So they're using technology like"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "this remote viewing assist to uh to"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "augment and amplify the psionics."}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "Correct. Yeah. the really high-end parts"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "of it. So remember, all these projects"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "are compartmentalized. If you are in one"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "project, you might have been using one"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "system. If you're in another, there may"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "be another, the deeper one."}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "You have to understand the extreme"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "compartmentalization. So a special"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "operator in one will absolutely not be"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "read into something going on. It could"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "be 10 miles away on another. They're"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "just not. There's not this sort of all"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "access pass on projects this"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "compartmented. Now, this is why I"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "describe what we're doing with this"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "podcast, the disclosure mosaic. We're I"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "want to put together 35 years or more"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "than that since since I was 18 years of"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "this sort of experience and evidence and"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "meeting these sort of officials and"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "scientists and give you this big mosaic"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "because it's time to pull all this"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "together frankly because it's all going"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "to come out. There has to be context and"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "the understanding not only the history"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "of it, but also in that history are some"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "warnings of what not to do going"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "forward."}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

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I am very concerned that that"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "in our society the the compliance and"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "the conformity and the sort of graveling"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "before state power is very dangerous."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "It's not like we don't have a brain or"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "mind and the ETSs aren't watching. Why"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "do we need this intermediary"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "intermediary of a bunch of sociopathic"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "craven power-hungry politicians and"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "government bureaucrats to validate"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "something we all know is true already."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "The army intelligence director and"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "others threatened me with. They said,"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "\"You have no clearance to be doing"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "this.\" I said, \"I don't need your"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "permission.\" So this is what we have to"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "be very very careful of going forward in"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "terms of disclosure and making contact"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "is that"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "our motto is if you can see one universe"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "one people uh the foundation of of our"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "relationship with each other and these"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "cosmic beings is this field of"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "consciousness that we'll get into in a"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "moment but I knew that it would be sort"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "of a difficult thing to do because we"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "have a couple of controversial"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "paradigms. 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U and I think that it"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "has been a very long road. But what's"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "really exciting for me is to see people"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "I have never known personally like"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "there's a woman who is a very big pop"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "singer uh apparently named uh my kids"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "would say I'm really lame uh Demi"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Lovado."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "You said it right. You said Demi Lovato"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "right."}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "Okay, good. So, a shout out to Demi"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "because she did this great interview on"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "Stevio and then she tweeted out to 36"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "million people"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "about how she really loved Close"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "Encounters of the Fifth Kind. I want to"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "reach out to her and tell her she needs"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "to get the app, the C5 contact app,"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "because the movie introduces you to"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "these concepts. 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I mean, even Fox News had me"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "on last week on the Laura Ingram show. I"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "saw it was"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "a very conservative show and it was sort"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "of shocking. U but in fact I found that"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "you know a lot of people were saying oh"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "my god how could you be on that network?"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "I said to me this subject transcends all"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "those normal fracture lines of left"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "right conservative all the labels"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "because we're dealing with something"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "that is interplanetary and cosmic. And I"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "I really don't see this breaking along"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "the usual fractured lines of our society"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "of all these tribalistic fighting"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "factions. I see this as something that"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "is inherently unifying that transcends"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "that cacophony of conflict. You know,"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "yeah, let me exciting. I think that's"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "the part of this that as someone who's"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "sort of in the center of this u you know"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "where I'm getting contacted by every"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "kind of uh person like there there's a a"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "great rock band if you like heavy metal"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "called God smack well the lead guy Sully"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "has reached out to me and he put out a"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "tweet and saw the movie and is really"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "excited so there are all kinds and"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "there's a band called Tulle"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "yeah they're really into this I was with"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "them backstage you know when they were"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "in this area not long ago. But what I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "finding is that there are people from"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "all walks of life, uh whether it's left,"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "right, politicians, scientists, uh pop"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "culture folks who are realizing that"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "this is the future of our civilization"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "is to become interplanetary."}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "but also that the foundation for that is"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "understanding a deep aspect of our"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "spirituality that transcends um the"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "normal tribalism that humans break into."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "Yeah. And what I wanted well what I"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "wanted to mention before we get out of"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "time uh run out of time is the elephant"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "in the room which was last week uh the"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "Navy and the Pentagon uh officially you"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "know with quotes uh released these three"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "videos"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "and the media shows no signs of bling up"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and covering ET UAP/UFO"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "coverage and that's the exciting part"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "but the other side of it is uh"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "especially with everything that's"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "happening with Close Encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Fifth Kind right now. The response from"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "the world seemed to be more muted than"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "some of the breaking news that we've had"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "over the last uh two years on this"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "subject. Did that surprise you?"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "No, because we're in the middle of a"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "global pandemic that has uh collapsed"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "our economic system where we we're"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "heading into something that will be"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "worse than the Great Depression if we're"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "not careful. So I think you know in that"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "media with with that going on it's very"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "difficult for for people to focus um in"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "any real depth in terms of the"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "mainstream media on on something like"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "this because unfortunately"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "the the reporting on this subject always"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "stops at the superficial. In other"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "words, here's something that the uh"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "these pilots were chasing and here's the"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "footage and it's something quote we"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "don't understand. It never, if you look"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "at mainstream media, it never goes any"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "deeper than that. For example, what are"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "they? Where have they come from? I"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "quickly held up on Fox News this letter"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "from Ben Rich, who was the head of the"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "Lockheed Skunk Works, the super secret"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "aerospace contracting outfit um there up"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "in the desert of California. And uh and"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "it was a letter from Ben Rich stating"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "very specifically that there were uh two"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "types of UFOs. hours meaning man-made"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "electromagnetto gravitic anti-grab"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "devices and ET and uh and he he states"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "this in his own handwriting."}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "All right."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "What was the response from Fox?"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "Oh well it was a very short you know big"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "network things are you know two three"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "four minutes. So I mean I basically all"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "that was said is wow there's a lot to"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "unpack here. But the issue is one of my"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "point is making is that the issue never"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "goes beyond that except that in the case"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "of the Pentagon footage it reopen the"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "door and this is what it was really"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "about."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "Right?"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "Just as this documentary that exposes"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "the the false flag alien threat"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "narrative which is in the opening first"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "chapter of Close Encounters of the Fifth"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "Kind if you've seen the movie. um they"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "re re-release this"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "footage, but it gives the opportunity"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "for the disinformation specialist if you"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "looked at the coverage and wrote read it"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "all the way through at the very end of"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "every story was it's a threat to our"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "national security, it's a threat to our"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "airspace. Again, it was an opportunity"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "for them to subliminally"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "reinforce this threat narrative, which"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "has been the purpose of the release of"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "that footage since uh late 2017 in"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "December 2017. So, that was always the"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "agenda. We knew that. I mean, I"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "immediately got an email from a very"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "senior CIA person who's worked the UFO"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "subject for decades and said, \"This is"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "the same bunch of people who have been"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "scamming the US government and the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "American public and the media for"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "decades.\" I'm quoting. And we knew that"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "right away. And that was because"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "unagnowledged,"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "which had gone over onto various"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "platforms and eventually got over 600"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "million viewers, was so trending that"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "they wanted a counter measure to tamp"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "down that narrative. Right"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "now, just as this documentary is"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "trending and it's number one all over"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "the world, in fact, amongst all movies,"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "including 100 million, $200 million"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "feature films, it's in the top 30, which"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "is unheard of for a crowdfunded indie"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "documentary. So surprise, they re"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "re-released this footage, which gives"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "the opportunity for the spin masters of"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "this information to attach the threat"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "narrative to it, which is of course the"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "opposite of the narrative and message"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "that we're putting out. And that is that"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "there's no evidence that these"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "civilizations are a threat. The threat"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "is the national security state deceiving"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "us that there is one, basically hoaxing"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "the threat. So, uh, I I don't when"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "people said, \"Are you surprised that"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "this came out again?\" I said, \"No, I was"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "I'm expecting this sort of thing.\" This"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "is what counterintelligence"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "always tries to neutralize any sort of"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "movement away from the narrative of"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "disinformation that they specialize in."}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "And so the Pentagon officially, I can"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "tell you that when this came out in"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "December"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "of 2017, that was an official release."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "It was it was just it was just through a"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "a cutout group, an organization that was"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "chock full of CIA and Pentagon and and"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "Lockheed people who uh made it look like"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "they got their hands on it and were able"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "to release it and then they attached"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "this alien threat narrative. In reality,"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "that was always part of the covert"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "program. It's just being reinforced"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "where they can milk that story again by"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "re-releasing it last week with the"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "narrative again that it's a threat to"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "our airspace, a threat to our armed"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "forces, a threat, a threat, a threat."}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "Why do they need a threat? because they"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "need to prop up the wararm mongers and"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "the big the big folks out there who are"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "making trillions of dollars on the"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "status quo quo of world conflict and how"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "the world is operating which is on a"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "tribalistic war footing we always have"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "to find someone to be killing and hate"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "you know who's the new people to hate"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "you have"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "they have to create a new enemy right"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "right"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "I mean that that's what all"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "propagandists who are in governments"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "know is that in order to maintain their"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "power through fear, they have to"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "manifest a new enemy. So, I think that"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "this isn't surprising that that this"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "would happen. And and I'm predicting"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "that this will be more of these things"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "will happen. I I find it interesting"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "that they've actually officially"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "released these now three times, right?"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "If you think about it, you and I talked"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "about it in December 2017. We talked"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "about the UAP coverage last year uh"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "extensively. Uh that was another"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "official acknowledgement coming out of"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "the Navy and the Pentagon. And then now"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "uh very interestingly they've released"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "it a third time with the fear narrative"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "when the fear uh pummeling of the public"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "has been going on for two or three"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "months now in mass media and it's an"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "opportunity and it's also timed with the"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "release of post encounters of the of the"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "fifth kind."}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "Right. And and I think you know the"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "problem is that you know a lot of things"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "are real that are things we should be"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "concerned about. Uh for example elderly"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "and and and people who have underlying"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "conditions are really threatened by this"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "current crisis."}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "Of course."}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "But it's interesting if you look at at"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "the statistics from a couple years ago"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "influenza killed 172 children. uh the"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "last I checked on the CDC site this"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "particular crisis there have been three"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "so that the the it's 150th is and yet"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "all you know we have this situation"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "where if you were to go to the public"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "the impression is that younger people"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "and children are dropping dead like"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "flies but they're not so I think that"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "one of the concerns I always have is"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "that a crisis becomes an opportunity for"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "people who would right to take away our"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "liberties and our freedoms and they can"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "create something that's a legitimate"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "crisis. I'm not saying it's not and then"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "capitalize on it. So this is what we"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "have to be very very careful of going"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "forward in terms of disclosure and"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "making contact is that there are folks"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "who are going to try to spin any"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "situation to their fascist police state"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "uh agendas. And this is why we have to"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "be ever vigilant for our freedoms and"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "our liberty because there are folks who"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "will try to uh capitalize on that if"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "we're not awake. Do you feel that the"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "public when I say public I mean the the"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "earth especially today is now finally"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "becoming aware of that message that"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "we've been talking about for so many"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "years which is uh fear is a way of"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "control. Now they've seen it 24 hours a"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "day for months on end. Now is it are you"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "and I uh vindicated somewhat and the"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "rest of us that have been speaking about"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "this for so long?"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "Yes. But I think that I think the thing"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "that is worrying me the most and I want"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "to be careful what I'm saying here so I"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "don't get erased here."}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "Right. um if you get my drift folks"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "listening"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "and that is when when I see"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "um National Guard troops"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "outside"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "a neighborhood"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "Safeway in in Washington DC"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "uh along with police force"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "for people going to get their bread and"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "orange juice and food for the day. And"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "no one no one is going, \"What the hell"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "is going on here?\" In other words,"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "and I know I'm dating myself, for those"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "of us who are the 60s7s generation, you"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "know, this kind of police state tactic"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "over something that's a healthc care"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "issue and there's no civil unrest going"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "on would have there would have been"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "massive massive"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "enormous push back from the population"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "for the overreach of police state"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "tactics. Right now, everyone's going,"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "\"Oh, they're so obsequious and obedient"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "and conformist. They're going, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "okay. Okay, okay.\" Because they have"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "everyone coward. They have everyone"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "terrified. And I think that this"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "actually does concern me. I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "be very blunt here. I am very concerned"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "that that"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "in our society"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "the the compliance and the conformity"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "and the sort of graveling before state"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "power is very dangerous. It's necessary"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "when it's necessary to obey rules and"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "laws. I'm not saying I'm an an I'm not"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "an anarchist at all, but I'm saying when"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "those powers get abused and there is"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "widpread"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "unthinking, unquestioning compliance,"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "we're in trouble. We have really got to"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "step back and go, oh, wait a minute"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "here. Uh, and there's a lot of of"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "misinformation going out. So in the same"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "way what you see with disclosure is you"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "will have people where something will"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "begin to happen and then the momentum"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "will be hijacked by people who spin it"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "in the direction of fear, hatred of all"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "things alien etc and so on. And I think"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "that an awake populace, what what"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "Eisenhower said, you know, the populace"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "needs to be awake to the threats to our"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "democracy and our security"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "by the excesses of the"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "military-industrial complex. And"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "Eisenhower said that because he had been"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "betrayed by those same people on the UFO"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "issue. We know this for a fact. So we"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "have to look at how our response to a"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "crisis is. Is it appropriate? Is it"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "measured? Are we letting authorities who"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "always get drunk with power abuse that"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "power? Or are we putting them in check?"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "Now, this is very important in the UFO"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "subject because it is so ripe for abuse"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "in terms of scaring people because let's"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "face it,"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "generally people are afraid of the"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "unknown. And the word alien means"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "foreign. Although I don't use that term"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "because it's non-specific. When you say"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "alien, do you mean someone from"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "Guatemala or do you"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "another country?"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "Another country or another dimension"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "that's not ET, but it's from another"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "dimension and not extraterrestrial. It's"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "too I never use the term alien for that"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "reason, those of you listening. Um"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "because I think words mean something."}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "And so I use the word ET or"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "extraterrestrial biological life form or"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "something to that effect to be specific."}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "But I think that what we're seeing and"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "by the way is Cinco de Mayo. Happy Cinco"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "de Mayo to everyone. I think we should"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "honor the cultures of the native peoples"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "uh of of America, Latin America, South"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "America because in their culture, the"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "star people and the brothers and sisters"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "from the stars. Even right here, I'm"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "looking at Shannondoa National Park,"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "Shannondoa is believed to be derived"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "from a Native American word that means"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "uh sister from the stars or sister of"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "the stars,"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "right? So, you know, and I'm part"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "Cherokee. My dad was half Cherokee"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "Native American. So, I I kind of look at"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "this and I go, there are a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "around the world that really do"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "understand the idea that we're not alone"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "in the universe and that that's a normal"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "part of understanding."}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "But what the military-industrial complex"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "realized between the 40s and the the"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "late 50s is that they could really make"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "hay out out of as I'm quoting from a CIA"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "document that said then where they can"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "use the psychological warfare value of"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "UFOs. I'm quoting from a CIA document"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "officially released by the way uh on"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "this issue. And that's what's happened"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "for 70 years is that it's been taken and"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "spun into this direction by people who"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "obviously have a an agenda that isn't"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "about peace and exploration of of space"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "peacefully. Their agenda is trying to"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "create the next boogeyman that everyone"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "should be terrified about. And so when"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "that when the Pentagon released those uh"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "videos again, re-released it, I'm saying"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "I'm not saying released, I'm saying"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "re-released"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "three times."}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "Yes, three times. Then I knew that there"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "was going to be this entire uh attached"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "narrative which actually happened. Um"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "and you know the anecdote for that kind"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "of disinformation quite honestly is"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "close encounters of the fifth kind."}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "people understanding that there is the"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "reason the first and I haven't said this"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "to you yet. The reason the director and"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "I put that first chapter in there, which"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "doesn't have anything per se to do with"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "contact and consciousness and the C5"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "protocols, but we used up the first"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "20ome minutes of that film to to try to"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "to use a contemporary term inoculate the"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "population from the fear-based"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "disinformation narrative of there being"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "a threat from outer space. that we felt"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "that we had to put that in there because"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "most of the public have already been"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "brainwashed that this is a threat. And"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "if you really think it's a threat,"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "you're not to go sit out in your"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "backyard or in a state park doing C5"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "protocols and inviting to make contact"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "because you've already been convinced"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "these are scary beings that you should"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "be afraid of. Right?"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "This I call it the contagion, the viral"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "contagion of fear is is what these spin"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "meers at the CIA and Pentagon and"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "counter intelligence are expert at. And"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "we've got to be awake to the fact that"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "we need to uh counter that"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "disinformation and manipulation because"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "that's how you get into a disaster like"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "the Iraq war. That's how you get after"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "9/11. That's how you get into a disaster"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "like Vietnam. That's how you get"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "civilizational collapse over something"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "like happening right now. I if we ex"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "overextend our response to it, that is"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "how you get into an interplanetary"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "conflict or an interplanetary war. So,"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "you know, these are huge stakes here"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "we're talking about. And that's why I"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "think we need people who are going to be"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "telling people the truth and not get"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "sucked into this contagion of fear"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "because I think what we really uh have"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "to fear is fear itself. But I think more"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "importantly being manipulated into"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "having a compliant conformist"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "uh acceptance of what the authority"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "figures are telling us. So if the"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "authority figures who are attached to"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "the government, to the Pentagon, even"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "scientific entities say, \"Oh, yes, those"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "are real objects we were chasing, but"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "they're a threat to our armed forces."}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "They're a threat to our national"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "security.\" And people believe that in"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "this sort of Pavlovian response, this"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "automatic response that you're seeing"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "now with this current crisis without"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "anyone questioning"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "uh what's actually going on, I think we"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "could be in real trouble uh down the"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "road. And this is why this is I think"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "this is a big wakeup call u and you know"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "the timing of it is strange um that you"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "know we're releasing this huge uh"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "movement and and expanding the C5 global"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "peace initiative which is what it is."}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "It's a interplanetary peace initiative"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "is what we're doing and we go into"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "lockdown and then we have the re-release"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "of this footage with that narrative."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "It's all very strange. You could call it"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "a series of coincidences, but knowing"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "how what I know, having met with a lot"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "of people at the CIA and Pentagon,"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "I think it'd be a little too convenient"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "by twice that it's an actual"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "coincidence. with uh so many out there"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "that want disclosure and need"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "disclosure. I mean, let's face it, uh"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "disclosure and our community, the people"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "that are with us, Dr. Greer, are here"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "for emotional reasons, personal reasons."}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "There are things that bring them here."}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "And for them, for the own resolve in"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "their minds, the only form of disclosure"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "for them is uh a head of state like the"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "president on live television, right? And"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "and but it's probably never going to"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "happen that way. We know this. So, how"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "do we start to affect the change? What's"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "the best approach?"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "We do the disclosure."}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "That's what the reason I I did the"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "disclosure project is that I had already"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "met with"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "White House folks and this CIA director"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "and top people in the Senate"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "Intelligence Committee personally face"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "to face in extensive meetings. And it"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "was made very clear to me that those"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "people almost to a fault were not read"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "into or had access to those projects"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "when they inquired. As you know, Admiral"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "Wilson had this happen or denied access"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "or were threatened if they pushed too"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "hard and that if they did find out like"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "Ronald Reagan did, President Reagan,"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "they're surrounded by a bubble of people"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "who come in and tell them that this is a"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "national security threat. So, for"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "example, people went up on Capitol Hill"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "after the initial release of that"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "footage from the Pentagon in 2017, and"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "there were closed-door briefings that I"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "have personal knowledge of of members of"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "that same team and cabal of"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "disinformation specialists who were"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "briefing members of the Senate and House"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "Intelligence and Armed Services, telling"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "them the most terrifying things about"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "UFOs. I know that happened for a"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "personal fact. So what I'm saying is"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "this is why we have to be ever vigilant"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "but ultimately disclosure consists of we"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "the people bypassing that circus and"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "making contact. And I I said this back"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "in the early 90s the ultimate"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "first of all seeing is believing. So, if"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "you look at Close Encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "Fifth Kind, there's just dozens and"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "dozens and dozens of photos and videos"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "of amazing C5 contact events. Well,"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "those many of those I wasn't even there."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "It was people who had practiced the"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "protocols, understood how they worked,"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "went out and gave it a whirl, and it"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "happened. So, I'm telling people that if"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "you have millions and millions of people"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "do that, who needs the CIA and the"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "Pentagon or the president to disclose"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "something? It's not like we don't have a"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "brain or mind and the ETSs aren't"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "watching. Why do we need this"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "intermediary intermediary of a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "sociopathic,"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "craven, power- hungry politicians and"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "government bureaucrats to validate"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "something we all know is true already?"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "Why don't we go and validate it"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "ourselves? See, that's always been my"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "argument because the definition of a"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "close encounter of the fifth kind is a"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "human initiated and cooperative contact"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "event pointtooint, us to the visitors."}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "And it isn't where we have to run it"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "through the national security state. And"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "in fact, that was the very first thing"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "that the army intelligence director"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "and others threatened me with. They"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "said, \"You have no clearance to be doing"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "this.\" I said, \"I don't need your"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "permission. You can go pound salt.\""}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "I mean, you know how I am. I'm Yes,"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "I'm nice until I'm not nice."}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "And then it's it's"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "it's hell on wheels. But I I what what"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "I'm saying is that I just said, you"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "know, I don't know. I don't recognize"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "your authority. I said that right to the"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "face of the head of army intelligence"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "and his CIA and NSA minions. And this"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "was in '92. And after the thing happened"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "in Florida where we had these four craft"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "appear and it got on the in the"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "newspaper and the intelligence community"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "went ballistic. They were very upset. So"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "what I've said for almost 30 years to"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "these folks is you have your agenda. We"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "need to have the people create their own"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "agenda. What is the people's agenda? Do"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "we all benefit from being scared out of"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "our minds and going to interplanetary"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "war? Or do we benefit from disclosure,"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "direct contact, and coming together?"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "Also, let me just throw this in here."}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "The third pillar, the part of this"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "triangle is the release of the"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "technologies that would give us a new"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "civilization with no poverty or"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "pollution."}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "If you enjoyed this video, make sure to"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "check out the next one right here on the"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "best of Dr. Steven Greer."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "One of my controversial opinions is that"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "Concord killed supersonic flight."}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:04", "text": ">> Let's talk about the sonic boom and what"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "it is."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Yeah, we can't fly supersonic and we"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "can't land on the moon. America"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "responded trying to protect Boeing by"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "banning supersonic flight over land."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": ">> That's what it was."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": ">> That's what it was."}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Let's talk about a sonic boom and what"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "it is."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Yeah. So, a sonic boom is the the sound"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "an airplane makes while it's flying"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "supersonic. You you can think of it as"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "kind of like the wake of a boat."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> You know, boat's going sufficiently"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "fast, it's going to make a wake. The"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "wake's going to propagate outwards and"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "and you notice it when it hits you."}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": ">> And so a big boat, big boats make a big"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "wake, right? Small boats going to make a"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "smaller wake. The boat's right next to"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "you. You're going to feel the weight"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "more strongly than if it's uh further"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "away. And a lot of that is the way sonic"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "boom works. Um big big big airplanes are"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "going to make bigger sonic booms. Uh but"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "the further away they are, the less you"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "hear. Um and then there's there's a"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "distinction with with booms that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "occur with wakes, which is they they"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "curve as they move. And and they do that"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "because there's a temperature gradient"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "in the atmosphere. It's you know, of"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "course, it's cold up high and it's"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "warmer down low. That temperature"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "gradient uh creates a speed of sound"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "gradient. The speed of sound is um"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "higher the warmer it is, okay?"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Lower the cooler it is. And so the"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "refraction happens when uh whenever a"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "wave moves through something where its"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "speed changes, it it turns in the"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "direction of lower speed. So imagine"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "like you're driving your car and uh your"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "in inside wheels are moving slower than"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "your outside wheels. You're going to"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "turn towards the inside. So that when"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "light refracts, that's why. When sound"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "refracts, that's why. And so that the"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "sonic boom, which is this sort of"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "compressed air band that comes off the"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "airplane when it's flying supersonic,"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "uh, makes, you know, it turns as it goes"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "through the sky. And so if it comes off"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "the airplane at a sufficiently shallow"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "angle and the airplane is sufficiently"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "high, you got this gigantic U in the"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "sky. And if the bottom of the U never"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "touches the ground, nobody hears any"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "boom."}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:09", "text": ">> Gotcha. Gotcha."}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": ">> And so this is the this is the easy"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "solution for sonic boom for for 50"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "years. Um, people have talked about it"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "like it's this boogeyman that's going to"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "require, you know, decades of R&D. Turns"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "out this is a software solution. You"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "just need today's weather data and an"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "algorithm and it tells you what speed"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "and altitude to fly and then there's no"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "boom."}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": ">> No kidding."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": ">> It's actually really simple."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:37", "text": ">> We can talk about why people have made"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "it out to be a harder problem than it"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "is."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Let's do it. I think there is a um so"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "like NASA for example has been working"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "on sonic boom suppression for decades"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "and they've got this R&D airplane called"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "the X59 that they've been working on it"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "for longer than than Boom has existed as"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "a company and it hasn't hasn't flown"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "yet. Um it's and it's they're they're"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "going about this with completely"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "different physics. It's this very long"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "skinny airplane which I think is part of"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "why it hasn't flown yet. It's really"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "hard to make that work. And the idea is"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "if you stretch the airplane out, it kind"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "of spreads the boom out across more"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "time. And so when you hear it, it's"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "quieter."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:15", "text": ">> Oh, good."}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": ">> And that that thing can go up to Mach"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "1.4. Uh boomless tops out at about Mach"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "1.3. So they can go very slightly"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "faster. Um but it uh but it's it's"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "that's hard mode. Okay. Well, why do it"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "on hard mode? Well, if it's not really"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "hard, I don't think you can justify the"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "research program."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "So I think there's this dynamic around"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "some of these R&D type efforts where the"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "the incentive for the people working on"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "them is to make the challenge"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "sufficiently hard that it justifies the"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "program."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:47", "text": ">> Interesting. I mean you've had"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "I mean just to start that company I mean"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "you're going up against Boeing."}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "You have the you have the the"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "regulations the speed regulations. What"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "was the speed regulation? It says, \"Thou"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "shalt not exceed Mach 1, the speed of"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "sound.\""}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:06", "text": ">> I mean,"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": ">> it's a dumb regulation."}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:08", "text": ">> You've got some hurdles and you have no"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "background in aviation or aerospace and"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "I mean,"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "how did you when you as the founder of"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "the company? I mean, how did you those"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "are some big those are some major"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "hurdles to get over,"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": ">> right? Well, um I remember sitting in my"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "basement and thinking, okay, t take my"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "own ego out of this. Just imagine it's"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "the year 2050"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": ">> and I'm retired and I'm sitting on the"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "beach sipping my ties and I'm reading,"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "you know, aviation history. How do I"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "think it goes?"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "Do I think after 150 years"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "of not doing supersonic Boeing or Airbus"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "finally do it? No, of course not. like"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "that history never goes that way. The"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "the big guys never suddenly get"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "enlightened."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:59", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:04:59", "text": ">> Okay. Well, do I do I think we're still"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "going subsonic? Geh, I hope not. Okay."}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "So, if we're not going subsonic and"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Boeing and Airbus didn't do it, how"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "would it happen? And I I just started"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "imagining how that history would go, you"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "know, without without me being part of"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "it. Okay, it'd have to be an effort from"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "outside the industry. uh nobody who'"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "spent their careers at Boeing or Airbus"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "would ever do it because you know they'd"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "have learned all the reasons why it's"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "impossible. It'd have to be somebody"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "from outside the industry. And what"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "would the what would the attributes of"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "that effort have to look like? Uh and"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "what would the what would the leaders of"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "that effort have to look like? Well,"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "you'd have to be incredibly passionate"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "about the mission because it would be"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "long and hard and if you didn't care"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "about it and you were sane, you'd give"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "up. So mission passion, mission"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "orientation would matter. 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You the startup would"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "have to go get these these airlines that"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "are used to buying Bo Airbus airplanes"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "to go buy airplanes from airplanes from"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "a startup instead. you know, it it would"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "require this incredible power of of u"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "persuasion, of perseverance."}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "and so I put that aside and I looked in"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "the mirror and I said, you know, do I"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "look like the CEO for this? And the"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "answer was not at all. I, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "didn't know anything about the industry."}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "I don't think I could have sold you a"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "dollar bill for 50ent."}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "And so I said, okay, well, and I and a"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "lot of these things I was really"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "insecure about. I was insecure about"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "networking. I was insecure about sales."}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "Um, and I asked myself, well, what"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "mattered more, my insecurity or my"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "passion for this idea."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "And and I said, \"Okay, Blake, if you"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "want to actually do this,"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "you have to become that person.\""}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "And I have to have to be willing to"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "reinvent myself. And I have to re do"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "that continuously along the way. And so"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "I sort of set out to be become what my"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "idea was of the right kind of leader for"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "it. Gotcha. Gotcha."}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "Let's talk about So, it sounds like"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "Concord was"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "the main inspiration,"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "correct?"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": ">> Well, it was an existence proof, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Like, in some ways, I think it requires"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "way more courage to go off and create"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "something of a category that's never"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "existed before."}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": ">> And Concord existed. In fact, it was"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "done in the 1960s. It just wasn't done"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "in a way that made it make any sense."}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Nobody could afford to fly on it. So, it"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "was sort of dead on arrival. So this was"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "I didn't this was this goes all the way"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "back to the 60s."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": ">> Concord was established as a joint"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "venture between the French and British"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "governments by treaty in 1962."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": ">> It first flew in 1969 within months of"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "the moon landing."}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "How who was using it?"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Uh so British Airways and Air France"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "were the only two airlines that that"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "really operated it for any length of"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "time. And the the the tickets were"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "adjusted for inflation north of $20,000."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "So this was this was really for the you"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "know royalty and rock stars."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Uh who, you know, who could drop a whole"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "lot of coin to to go somewhere really"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "fast. It was just it was not practical"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "the way it was done then."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": ">> How long did it run for?"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:28", "text": ">> 27 years."}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": ">> 27 years."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": ">> 27 years. Yeah. Shut down in 2003."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "Uh really with no plan to replace it."}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Why was it shut down? So the proximal"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "cause was it was just too expensive. Um"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "the you know at this point the successor"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "entity of the companies that had made it"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "was Airbus and the you know the market"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "was tiny. It had always been tiny for"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "Concord and they were you know they were"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "having to make spare parts and whatnot."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "And Air France wasn't making any money u"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "flying it. And so the the story I've"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "heard is that Air France and Airbus kind"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "of got together and said, \"Let's just"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "stop doing spare parts for this and then"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "the British will have to stop flying it"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "too and it'll force the whole fleet"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "down.\" Uh so that that happened, you"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "know, it was"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "I don't know if the conspiracy theory is"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "exactly true, but but the the I think"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "the reality was it died. It was still"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "born."}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "This was this was an airplane with a"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "hundred seats on it. Mind you, 100"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "uncomfortable seats. Like you could"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "think they were out of back of Ryan Air"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "or something. Not not a comfortable"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "airplane. $20,000 ticket, a 100 seats to"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "fill. That just doesn't work. You can't"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "find 100 people want to drop 20 grand to"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "go somewhere all at the same time. Uh"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "that's why they only ever had 14."}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "Interesting. So 100 seats, $20,000 a"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "ticket, and then So it was actually the"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "company that deepixed it. It wasn't the"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "regulations."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "I think it was uh it was not the company"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "the the French and British governments"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "speced. So So let's let's uh I think"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "this is a big piece of kind of what went"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "wrong in uh in aerospace in the 1960s,"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "you know. So one of my controversial"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "opinions is that Concord killed"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "supersonic flight and never should have"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "existed and Apollo killed space"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "exploration and also should not have"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "gone to the moon in 1969."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "And you know, a lot of people, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "and I loved Concord and I loved Apollo,"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "but I don't think they helped us. And if"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "that seems like a crazy thing, just not"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "notice it's 2025 and we can't fly"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "supersonic and we can't land on the"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "moon."}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:32", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:32", "text": ">> So these things that we we were told in"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "the 1960s were the harbingers of great"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "progress"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "didn't pan out the way it was predicted."}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "So why? And I I think the answer is that"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "for the the first 50 years, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "from the Wright brothers forward,"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "innovation in aerospace was commercially"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "driven. Um it was you're building a"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "commercial airplane that passengers got"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "to be able to afford to fly on that"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "airlines operate profitably. You know,"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "nobody build a machine unless they at"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "least believed it was going to make"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "economic sense. Um you know, and then if"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "you're building military machines, they"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "had to make sense for that mission. And"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "so there's a commercial hand saying it's"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "got to make sense or there's a military"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "hand saying it's got to make sense. But"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "either way something's keeping us"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "grounded. And in the 60s we pivoted to n"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "cold war era national prestige as the"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "motivation. And so so uh there was a"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "Soviet project to create a supersonic"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "airliner. There was a European project"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "to create a supersonic airliner. And"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "there was an American project to create"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "a supersonic airliner uh called the SST."}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "And in all three cases, they were"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "government funded, they were government"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "speced, and uh and the result was"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "everybody was building products that"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "show technological superiority, not"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "products that made any commercial sense."}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "So Concord and the Soviet airplane were"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "very similar. Uh the American airplane"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "was going to be 300 seats in Mach 3, so"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "it made even less economic sense than"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "Concord did. Um and then what happened"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "is the the American uh so Congress"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "pulled the plug appropriately on the"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "American supersonic airplane. Uh Concord"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "and Concordsky"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "were still coming and uh and now all of"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "a sudden you it was not obvious uh back"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "then just how economically dead on"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "arrival Concord was going to be. And so"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "then uh America responded trying to"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "protect Boeing by banning supersonic"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "flood over land. That's what it was."}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:32", "text": ">> That's what it was. This was"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": ">> was to protect Boeing."}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:35", "text": ">> This was protectionism. It was as long"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "as Boeing's building a supersonic"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "airplane, it was all fine. That that"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "project gets canceled and all of a"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "sudden we can't have that sonic stuff."}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "It's terrible."}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "And I I think the real tell was if it"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "had been about sonic boom being bad, it"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "would have been a noise limit,"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "not a speed limit. Literally, it banned"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "supersonic flight"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "in the US."}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": ">> Why would the government be protecting"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "Boeing? No matter where you're watching"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "Shawn Ryan show from, if you get"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "anything out of this, please like,"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "comment, subscribe, and most"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "importantly, share this everywhere you"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "extra generous, please leave us a review"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "on Apple and Spotify podcasts."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "China announced that they were doing"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "supersonic flight right after you came"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "out. Man, this is the first time I've"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "heard we're ahead. This is this is great"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "news."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Well, airplanes are one of the few areas"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "where we're still ahead in the US, but"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "we got to be careful. So, China right"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "now is shipping a 737 clone."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "China."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "China. So you had mentioned China"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "announced that they were doing"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "supersonic flight right after you came"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "out. So is that are they"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "where are they in the process?"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "The good news is we're ahead and if we"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "stay out of our own way, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "stay ahead."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "Man, this is the first time I've heard"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "we're ahead. This is this is great news."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "Well, airplanes are one of the few areas"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "where we're still ahead in the US, but"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "we got to be careful. So ch China right"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "now is shipping a 737 clone. We don't"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "know that in America because we won't"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "import it here, but elsewhere that's"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "going to happen. They are working on a"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "Boeing 787 clone."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "And earlier this year they announced the"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "uh that the the one after that's going"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "to be a supersonic airplane."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "and the uh when they did the"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "announcement"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "uh it see I so I think what happened was"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "uh they saw they saw what we'd done at"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "Boom and they said we got a play and"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "they found some research paper and and"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "then labeled it with a product number"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "and and put that out as a press release."}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "They put it in the South China Morning"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Post which is that's that's where the"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "CCP puts things they want to be noticed"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "in the West. Uh and and so the the"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "airplane's a cartoon. Like if you know"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "anything about supersonic airplanes, you"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "know this is not credible, but that I"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "think the tell was they gave it a"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "product number that was the next product"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "number in the com road map. Com coac is"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "the Chinese Boeing."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "So I think they are I think they're dead"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "serious about it. Uh but we're ahead."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "How do you know you're ahead?"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "We've actually built and flown an"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "airplane and they've got a cartoon"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "rendering."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "You don't think they're just That's a"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "disguise."}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "well, we haven't seen an airplane fly"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "yet."}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "Okay,"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "now they've got fighter jets and fighter"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "jets and supersonic airliners are not"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "the same, but they're things you can"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "cross learn. I think we have to take"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "this incredibly seriously. Uh, I don't"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "think we can rest on our laurels. I"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "think absent"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "I think absent the action to repeal the"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "supersonic ban in the US, aviation was"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "going to go to China just like"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "everything else has. Like, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "this is like watching a slow motion"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "plane crash. Boeing hasn't built a new"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "airplane in 20 years. They can't, you"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "know, some days they can't competently"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "produce the ones they've already"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "designed. China's moving forward as fast"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "as they can. That's not going to end"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "well."}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "We have to invent and build the next"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "generation of airplanes here. Or else we"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "know how this ends. It ends just like it"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "does for every other kind of"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "manufacturing."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "Why? I'm still trying to wrap my head."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "Why do you think Airbus and Boeing have"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "not jumped into this race to compete"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "with you? Oh. Um,"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "I mean, with the amount of funding that"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "they have and the legacy companies like"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "that, I mean, why wouldn't they?"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "So, it it has to do with most businesses"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "are unwilling to disrupt themselves. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "they they have to change their business"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "model to compete. Let me explain why"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "that is. So, a typical international"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "airliner today, a wide body, you know,"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "the twin aisles,"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "the uh they're let's say they got two"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "300 seats on them."}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "about 20% of the seats at the front of"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "the airplane are are business and first"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "class but th those seats represent"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "roughly 80% of the profits. All the"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "money is in the front part of the"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "airplane. Now"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "supersonic with the technology that we"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "have right now we can't build a"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "supersonic jumbo jet 300 seat supersonic"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "jet that can support economy fairs. We"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "only have the technology right now. This"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "will change, but right now today, we"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "only have the technology to do it for"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "about a business class fair."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "Okay? If you take the business class"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "seats out of a Boeing or Airbus airplane"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "and put it in another airplane,"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "the big airplane just lost 80% of its"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "value,"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "right? So, so in order to build the"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "supersonic future, you have to be"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "willing to disrupt the subsonic"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "widebody."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "And that's not something that big"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "companies are generally willing to do."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "It's a very"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "Would you say 20% 80% of the profit is"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "in the first 20 seats?"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "Uh it's it's roughly 80% in the in the"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "front 20% of seats. Rough numbers."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "The uh those flat this is why if you fly"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "business class, you know, you've got"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "this outstanding wine list and you've"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "got these fancy lounges and all these"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "other perks. Why? because that's where"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "all the money is on a perflight basis."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Dep route to route, markettomarket, but"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "roughly 80% on a perflight basis. And if"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "you look at it on a per customer basis,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "it's even more significant because the"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "people who fly long haul international"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "and premium class"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "are almost all the profit for"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "international airlines. Again, that's"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "why you see all those perks and why you"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "get all the status. And you know, if"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "you're global services, you get on"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "first. Um and uh and so if you move that"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "into a separate airplane, you have to"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "rethink a bit of the economics uh and"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "and very few companies are willing to"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "disrupt their own business. I mean it"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "really I think it takes I think it takes"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "a founder company in most cases uh like"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "you know like Steve Jobs was willing to"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "destroy the iPod business"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "in order to create the iPhone business."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "I mean it just seems like they would"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "have to do it otherwise they're going to"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "go extinct. I mean, if if you come out"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "with us in a year or 10 years or"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "whenever, then"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "that's where I'm going."}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "Remember, there's a duopoly here. You'd"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "be right in a normally competitive"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "market with lots of players, but with"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Boeing and Airbus, they're only two and"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "and so you get uh you get duopoly type"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "behavior. One only moves when the other"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "one moves. Like, why did Boeing do the"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "737 Max? It's because Boeing because"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "Airbus did the uh A320 Neo."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "Why did Airbus do the A350? Well, it was"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "a carbon copy literally of the 787."}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "And so if one moves, the other one kind"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "of copies that move and and for the most"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "part they're in a staring competition."}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Nobody wanting to blink and give and and"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "so the the right now dynamic is Boeing's"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "got to get healthy. They're in trouble."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "Uh they can't do an airplane. They've"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "pledged they're not going to do a new"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "airplane. What is Airbus's motivation?"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "Well, Boeing's down and out. I should"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "steal market share. So So Airbus is"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "trying to, you know, ramp production of"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "their airplanes faster than Boeing can"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "get people to trust them again."}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "So that's that game. And and like"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "nobody's incentivized to go build a"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "supersonic jet. Like if you're if you're"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "a public market investor in Boeing or"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "Airbus and uh you like imagine Airbus"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "says, \"We're going to go do supersonic"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "instead of trying to eat Boeing's lunch"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "while Boeing's down and out.\" Your"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "investors say you're stupid. M"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "pretty soon you get, you know, an"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "activist gets on your board and you're"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "fired as CEO"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "reciprocally. If Boeing right now says,"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "\"I'm going to go build a supersonic"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "jet.\" I think I think everyone's going"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "to say, \"What are you talking about,"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "dude? Maybe you should figure out how to"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "put the screws in the ones you make"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "now.\" So So neither of them is really in"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "a position to do it."}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "It has to come from a new entrant."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "Do you think they'll carbon copy or"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "They'll probably They'll probably try to"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "buy us first and then they'll then"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "they'll try to compete. I mean, I"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "welcome that. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "I'm shocked, you know, a decade into"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "this that we don't have competition. At"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "some point, that will change."}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "Wow. It I don't know why it's just so"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "hard for me to wrap my head around."}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "You're the only you're the only one"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "doing this."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "It it it's hard for me to wrap my head"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "around it, too. I I think I think it"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "comes down to, you know, what people"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "call the innovator's dilemma in business"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "that the big guys don't want to disrupt"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "themselves and there are only two of"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "them. So they don't think they're going"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "to be competitively forced to on one"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "hand. 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Let's"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "do miles hour."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "Yeah. Let's see. So I I I think of these"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "things in terms of percentages of speed"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "of sound, which is it's 75 to 85% of the"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "speed of sound today on a Boeing or"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Airbus. If you got a high-end private"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "jet, you can go a little bit faster. Um"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "and then overture will do 1.7 Mach, so"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "twice as fast."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "What is that ground speed?"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "Uh around around 1,200ish. It varies"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "with temperature a little bit. So it's"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "uh it's it's it's substantially faster."}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Do you feel that when you're in the jet?"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "No. Um the uh uh in the one thing you'll"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "notice when you go supersonic is it's"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "slightly smoother uh and you'll be at a"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "higher altitude so you're above more of"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "the weather."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "So no nothing."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "It's completely uneventful. On Concord,"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "uh they had a big screen that would show"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "you the speed and whenever it went"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "through one they they'd celebrate and"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "bring around champagne, make a big deal"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "out of it because otherwise you wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "notice."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "No kidding. And the the day I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "forward to is when the p I'm sure we'll"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "do that too. Uh the day I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "forward to is when um the passengers"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "say, \"Would you stop with that? I I just"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "want to get back to my movie or my book"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "or my email.\""}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "You know, I want to make supersonic"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "flight boring, but it at first we'll"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "make it exciting. Are any airports I"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "mean is there any airports that are"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "giving you guys or may maybe we're not"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "there yet but are they going to give you"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "push back about landing taking off from"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "from"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "I don't think so. I mean, we we've"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "committed that it's not going to be"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "louder than today's airplanes, and we've"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "committed it doesn't require"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "infrastructure upgrades. And so, for the"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "most part, you know, we get calls from"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "airports saying, \"Hey, would you tell us"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "what we need to do cuz we want to"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "welcome your airplane.\" And and you"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "know, our answer is sit back, relax, you"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "don't have to do anything."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "It just works."}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "Now, of course, I mean, I'd love to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "redesign airports, but we don't need to."}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "Not for supersonic."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "We don't need that. But um well how how"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "is I mean how are your competitors"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "handling this like Boeing and Airbus?"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "I mean they I mean they're fly all over"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "the place all the time for work and I"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "mean the planes are legitimately falling"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "apart. One of my recent flights the the"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "damn the overhead luggage bin like fell"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "off in the middle of all the luggage"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "fall on the It's just you know you mean"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "if you fly you know what I'm talking"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "about."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "all outdated planes are falling out of"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "the sky and you know in recent history I"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "mean it's just"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "crash after crash after crash and things"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "catching on fire things falling apart I"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "mean they're not innovating at it it"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "almost seems like they"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "are purposely not innovating it's just"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "let's just reuse this old over and"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "over until it falls out of the sky I"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "I think there's some truth to that"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "and then you come around with this."}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "Well, let me first paint a sympathetic"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "picture here."}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Wright brothers forward to the first"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "jets. Every generation of airplanes was"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "faster than the one that came before it."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "That was the primary vector of"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "innovation. And then, you know, 1973, we"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "outlaw increases in speed."}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "So, where does that leave Boeing?"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "I mean, yes, in some ways it was an own"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "goal, but let's be sympathetic for a"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "moment. What all they can do is improve"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "the design they've already got. Just"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "iteratively tweak it, right? So, if you"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "look at Boeing's latest jetliner"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "and you squint and you're not an"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "aerospace engineer, it looks just like"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "their first one. It's tube and wing"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "transic airplane. Um,"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "now think about what that does to kids"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "and what industry they want to work in."}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "I think there's a whole generation or"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "two that did not go into aviation"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "because the door was closed to"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "innovation. And heck, I was one of them."}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "I'm not that did not even cross. Well,"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "that's a damn good point."}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "I mean, why why is Boeing, you know,"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "literally falling apart? There are"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "multiple threads to that story. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "one of them is when the door is shut to"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "the most exciting innovation, you can't"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "attract the most talented people. They"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "literally go to other industries."}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "That's a damn good point. I didn't think"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "about that."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "So, are you getting any push back"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "um from Boeing or Airbus? Yeah. Well,"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "they've got their own problems to solve."}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "I mean, Boeing So, neither Boeing nor"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "Airbus has built an allnew airliner"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "since 2004."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "2004, Boeing and Airbus launched the 787"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "and the A350."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "and and since then they have not done"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "any all new products. All they've done"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "is take their existing things and tweak"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "them. Airbus has been largely successful"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "at that. Boeing is has been, you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "737 Max has been a famous disaster. Uh"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "and so they've really just Boeing"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "especially just gotten hollowed out. And"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "I I hope um I hope they can fix the"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "company."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Boeing's the only US maker of airliners."}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "There only two in the world. There's"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Boeing and Airbus. it and and Boeing is"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "like trying to get out of a"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "self-destructive tail spin."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "Um, you know, they've they're not doing"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "new products. They're trying to"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "competently produce the products they"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "already have."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "And it's uh it's not a good situation."}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "Is this like the days of McDonald"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "Douglas when Boeing acquired them?"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "Yeah, I think that's part of the story,"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "too. I mean, there's sort of a um"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "there was a sort of GE mindset that made"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "its way to Boeing through McDonald"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "Douglas"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "that was kind of the Jack Welch"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "playbook. Um that was okay. You know,"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "the way you succeed in business is to"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "know what Wall Street thinks you're"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "going to do next quarter and beat it by"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "a nickel. And if you if you do that, you"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "know, successfully through whatever"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "minations, you can make the stock price"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "go up into the right and it and it, you"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "know, it works great until the day it"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "doesn't. And the, you know, and the the"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "way you do that is by cutting a lot of"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "long-term stuff."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "And and the so the way Boeing ended up"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "getting run was quarter to quarter. Uh I"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "don't a lot of people say they got too"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "focused on money and so they didn't care"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "about safety."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "And I don't think that's quite true. If"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "you look at the results of their lack of"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "focus on safety, it was the biggest"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "financial disaster they ever had. That"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "didn't pay off financially. The problem"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "was their their financial focus was"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "short range, not long range. So, so Phil"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "Condit left in um 2004. I think he was"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "the last good CEO over there. I'm"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "fortunate to have him on our board now."}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Um and after that, you know, we had"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "people like Jim McNerney who explicitly"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "said, \"Hey, no more moonshots.\""}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "And they meant no more new products. And"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "I remember hearing that at the time and"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "I was in my 20s living in Seattle."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "Actually, I was living in a building"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "called Concord. Maybe this is my dad."}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "Are"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "you serious?"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "I can't make this up."}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "Uh a little condo in downtown Seattle, a"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "building called Concord. No E. Uh but I"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "remember reading that from Jim McNerney"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "and thinking, \"What the heck, dude? You"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "used to be in the literal moonshot"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "business and now you've just decided to"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "give up.\" And by the way, if if you"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "can't attract young people before, now"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "you definitely can't attract young"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "people. And if you go"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "15, 20 years without developing a new"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "product, you don't have anybody left who"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "knows how to do it."}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "And so the whole thing just devolves. Um"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "so at this point, by the way, we didn't"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "mention, you know, how this is important"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "to the country. Boeing's the number one"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "US exporter."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "And as as you know, as you know, we've"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "got a huge problem. We don't make things"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "here anymore. M airplanes one of the"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "last things we still do and we're"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "fumbling that"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "it's a huge problem."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "Yeah. Where's Airbus out of?"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "Uh Tulus, France. I mean they're spread"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "out all over Europe. You know Airbus is"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "like approximately the European"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "government."}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "No matter where you're watching Shawn"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "Ryan show from. If you get anything out"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "of this, please like, comment,"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "subscribe, and most importantly, share"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. 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[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "We know that ancient peoples all over"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "the world were very very interested in"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "what was happening in the sky. And so"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "astronomology refers to the stories and"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "the myths about things that are"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "happening in the heavens, in the sky, in"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "the celestial realm. Think the story of"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "Marduk battling Tiiamat in this Sumerian"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "tradition. And astronomers even like 40"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "years ago were looking at that going,"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "\"Wait a second. Could be that people are"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "witnessing some kind of like fireballs"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "or maybe the breakup of a comet in the"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "sky.\" And that became the basis for"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "recording this myth. Same with Zeus"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "battling dragons in the sky. Quitzel"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "kuaddle the feathered serpent in the new"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "world stories. Wars in the heavens. And"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "so there's actually a group of"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "astronomers now particularly it started"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "in England like in the early 80s late"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "'7s where they're looking at these myths"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "and going well maybe these are records"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "of things that people actually"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "witnessed."}]

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And"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "then I walk over and I see these dogs"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "over there and they start growling as I"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "got closer, you know, pull my weapon out"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "and looking at them and sure enough,"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "they're they're digging up dead Iraqis."}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "During the artillery barrage, there was"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "the largest military I mean artillery"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "barrage in military history."}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "We were bombing them so bad, B-52s and"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "stuff. So, so they were coming over at"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "night in droves. They were sending teams"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "out to kill them, kill their own because"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "they didn't they'd rather kill them than"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "let them desert. So, we caught a bunch."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "We had fences, you know, set set up with"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "all the the guys that we captured. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "we were flying a lot of screen lines and"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "a lot of uh you know, we ended up over"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "by the what's it called? The you know, I"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "flew over where the oil where they lit"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "up all the trenches with oil. like"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "that's going to thinking back it was so"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "primitive you know they're stringing up"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "concertina wire and burning they were"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "still digging ditches and triangles you"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "know and and filling with oil and"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "burning them like that's going to stop"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "us you know we just and they had trench"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "warfare and we just bulldozed over them"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "you know bulldoz them alive"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "wow"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "engineers did yeah and so and so then we"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "get into Iraq and and uh I mean it was"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "over pretty quickly but u but I remember"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "um they told us you know we were And we"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "were right on the right on the border"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "and during the artillery barrage there"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "was a the largest military or I mean"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "artillery barrage in military history."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "And I forget how many MLR one MLRS"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "remember that the multiple launch rocket"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "system. One of those will clear a"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "football field and put a bomblelet every"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "12 in. Wow."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "And they think they had a hund of them"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "go off. And so we're watching it. It was"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "like 2 or 3 in the morning. We all got"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "up to watch it. It was like Fourth of"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "July, you know. And so it was just"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "I mean the I mean it was it was"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "unbelievable the the destruction and"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "after a while we were like"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "damn you know even now I was sitting"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "watching the fireworks the other day and"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "and everybody's you know smoking and"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "joking having a good time and and I just"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "could still picture that you know that"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "artillery barrage it just it just it"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "just kind of stuck with me and so that"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "that was kind of and then we went in and"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "did the invasion and and had some"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "experience is there and"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "what kind of experiences?"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "I'll give you spiritual or you want the"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "the I'll give you"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "both."}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "Well, before we would go the C. And"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "look, if you're a if I'm a I'm a pilot"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "when I feed on the ground, I'm nervous."}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "To me, it's big sky, little bullet. You"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "get put me in the air and I'm happy. I"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "can get out of the way, you know. And uh"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "so I would always make I would always"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "find a reason, you know. So I went to"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "the chaplain. Hey, those poor those poor"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "guys up up in the Bradleys, they need"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "Catholic mass. Let's go. Let's say mask"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "for him. I'll get let's get permission"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "from the colonel and I'll fly you up"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "there. So, I would fly him. I was in a"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "Huey at the time. I'd fly him up and he"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "would they would pull back. The Catholic"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "soldiers would fly back or the you know"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "troopers would drive back and we he"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "would have mass for all them. And uh he"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "was a he was a good guy. And right"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "before I went over, it's funny talk"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "about confession. There was a a Catholic"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "chaplain that that lived in the same"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "apartment complex and I was just kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "there temporarily as I was getting ready"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "to deploy and he was gay and he kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "told me he was gay and I was like"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "thanks father for telling me that you"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "know you know what I mean? I was like I"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "hope that was cathartic for you but it"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "was really weird for me. Okay. So, uh"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "and then he's like can you go to"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "confession? I'm like I'm not going to"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "confession not to you. I'm sorry. And so"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "I I didn't go and I was like I don't"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "need to go to confession. I mean that"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "was my mindset. I'm like I'm not going"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "to go. So we're we're we're flying in to"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "I was flying this chaplain the Catholic"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "chaplain brigade chaplain uh every"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "Sunday and uh and they told us right"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "before the artillery said look everybody"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "here make peace with the Lord because"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "you know we expect they expected like"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "75% casualties is what they told us. You"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "know they didn't know they were you know"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "they they were supposed to use chemical"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "welfare against us all this sort of"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "stuff. So, and I remember flying flying"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "back, flying missions, going back to the"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "rear, picking up stuff, maintenance"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "stuff, whatever. And I saw when they"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "brought in just conx and conics filled"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "with body bags, you know, cuz they were"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "ready cuz they didn't know. They didn't"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "know that that this second world's"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "largest army was just going to call out."}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "We just pounded them. B-52 strikes and"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "and the artillery. There was just very"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "little left by the time we got there"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "was, you know, we we we were we ran up"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "against the one of their they had two"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "divisions that had T72s, but the rest"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "were T62s. They were trash and they, you"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "know, we were just killing them, you"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "know. And so,"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "uh, we were we would by the time we we"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "we got in, I mean, there was it was just"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "destruction. It was just"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "everywhere, you know, destroyed"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "aircraft, blown up tanks. There was a we"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "had playing cards, you know, with all"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "you guys probably did too, but playing"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "cards with anti-aircraft and different"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "tanks so we could identify them, you"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "know. So you're playing cards and you're"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "looking at this was a Z what's we call"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "it the Zeus. I think it was a Zeus. It"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "was an anti-aircraft four barrel. He"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "would crank himself around, you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "and uh either an Apache or an A10 hit"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "it. It might have been a main tank"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "round, but all was left the barrels were"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "just crumpled like a pretzel. And only"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "thing left on this guy was this right"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "arm was just hanging there, this charred"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "arm. And that was kind of our I had to"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "see it every day because that was kind"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "of my path. We didn't have GPS, you"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "know, we didn't have anything. We just"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "had to fly kind of by dead reckoning and"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "just kind of winging a prayer. And so"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "that was one of our spots when you see"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "you get the old lefty over there. You're"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "going to you're going to turn 030 and"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "get back to where we were. And so so"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "we're flying in that first day and"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "Hussein had Saddam Hussein had lit up"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "all the oil fires if you remember. And"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "it was I was in a Huey"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "and and I had, you know, two door"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "gunners and a co-pilot and the soot was"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "so bad and it was raining and the oral"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "fires were just burning. We're just not"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "too far away. You can kind of see them"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "in the distance and they're just and"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "about every 10 minutes we'd have to and"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "we and then and then we were lost. We"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "were separated from our units. So we had"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "one we had two other Hueies with us. We"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "were crossing over. We had an Apache and"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "two Hueies. And then right when we cross"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "the border, the Apache says, \"Hey, I got"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "a something light and I got to go back.\""}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "And we're like, \"You.\" So we start just"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "cussing this guy out like, \"Dude, suck"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "it up, man. We're flying into Iraq, you"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "know.\" So we got three slicks and uh"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "pouring down rain about every 15"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "minutes. We got to stop. The crew"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "chief's got to get out, put water on the"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "windshield cuz the windshields are just"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "black with oil soot. It's getting dark."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "We're running out of gas."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "And uh and so I'm like, \"All right,"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "guys. Look, we're in the middle of Iraq."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "We're lost.\" And I'm I'm the lead"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "aircraft chalk, you know, chalk one of"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "three three aircraft. I'm like, \"All"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "right, guys. Here's what we're going to"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "have to do. Um we're going to land. We"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "got 5 minutes of daylight left and about"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "6 minutes of gas. And we're going to"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "land and we're going to set up a"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "perimeter. And uh we're going to pull"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "the 60s out. We're going to set up a"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "perimeter. We're going to 100% security."}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "we're just going to hunker down for the"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "night and we don't know what to expect."}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "So, I'm just, you know, you talk about,"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "you talk about suddenly finding prayer,"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "you know, uh there's no atheists in"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "foxholes. So, so as we're just flying,"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "just praying quietly, listening to the"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "the wine, the drone, and all of a"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "sudden, as we pull up, we see we see"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "some it was too too late to pull. We"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "can't maneuver up cuz we had about a"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "about 30 ft visibility which means you"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "can see about 30 ft in front of you and"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "you're so we're going about 10 ft off"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "the deck"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "probably 70 80 knots which is as slow as"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "you can really go and just you you're"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "going to I mean you're going to run into"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "a jeep if you hit a vehicle. So we see a"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "vehicle we're so low we have to stop and"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "land and we didn't know if it was enemy"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "or not you know so we had to we had to"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "stop and get out and fight if we're"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "going to fight. So, we land, we look up,"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "and we see that upside down V, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "and uh like, oh, thank goodness. Crank"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "it down. It's pouring down rain. Shut"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "the aircraft down, button them up."}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "Everybody just disperses into the first"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "tent they find. And I'm just like,"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "you know, that was a close one. I roll"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "in there and first tent half thinking,"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "man, I hope this is a pub. I'm just"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "fantasizing, man, I hope this is a pub,"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "you know."}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "And I I walk in and there's the brigade"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "chaplain. Looks at me. I look at him and"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "he goes, \"Hey, what's up, LT?\" And I"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "said, \"Hey, sir. How's it going?\" He"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "goes, \"You want to go to confession?\""}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "Yeah, I'll go to confession. So, I knelt"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "down there and went to confession. And"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "that was kind of the the beginning."}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Yeah. And then later we uh"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "we they put us out at one of those"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "places that was cleared by the MLRS. I"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "mean, it was"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "it was eerie. It was one place it was"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "like I was I was flying and my co-pilot"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "I hear him say"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "he said, \"Hey, LT, what's going on?\" I"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "look around. I'm like, \"What?\" Nothing."}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "He goes, \"You're hovering.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "realized I was about 100 ft and I was"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "just hovering. And it was like I was"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "hovering on top of this the world's"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "giant golf ball. I mean, it was just a"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "bomblelet of an MLRS every 12 or 18"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "inches of of just pure destruction. And"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "so we we set up camp at an old air base"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "that we had bombed and and uh there was"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "um we would land and the dogs would come"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "over. You know, whenever I read the"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "Psalms and the dogs and the dogs, you"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "know, in the Psalms talk about the dogs"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "of war, they lick up the the they lick"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "up the foes, you know, the the the"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "punishment of Jezebel. Um if you read"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "that story, we've read that in session."}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "It's powerful. It brings back a lot of"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "memories. Her body is thrown from the"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "second floor and dogs lick up her, you"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "know, if you read the story of how"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Jezebel, the evil wicked queen. Anyway,"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "so we set up we set up a combat outpost"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "up there. Got a perimeter set up. We're"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "just waiting. We're about a mile or so,"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "I think, from the from the Highway of"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "Death. And there's dogs everywhere, man."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "And these things are like half jackals."}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "They're not like they're not like Rover"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "back home, you know. And there were some"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "guys that take the puppies. I remember"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "one guy, he's dead now. He was killed in"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "two. He went back as an Apache guy in"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "2016 in Crest in Iraq. Um, and he was I"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "I never forget he was holding this"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "puppy, man, like just holding on to"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "home, you know, and the other guys are"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "getting on him like, \"Hey, man, you"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "guys, those things are wild. Don't do"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "that. They're eating the dead bodies out"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "there.\" Like, shut up. No, they're not."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "And we would land, we would crank up"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "every morning and go fly. And there was"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "one dog. There were three of them that"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "would hang around our aircraft cuz, you"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "know, crew chiefs and the guys always"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "throw them stuff. And one of them, he"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "would be there sleeping. And it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "until we got the full crank that he'd"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "get up. And we finally realized that he"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "was deaf. He was shell shocked from all"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "the from all the the artillery. So this"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "dog, you know, once he heard felt the"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "road, it would wake him up. So I went"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "for a walk one day and I just just not,"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "you know, wanting up for a walk. I just"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "clear my head a little bit and uh just"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "praying the rosary and then I walk over"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "and I see these dogs over there and then"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "I"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "and they start growling as I got closer."}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "You know, it's like pull my weapon out"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "and looking at them and sure enough,"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "they're they're digging up dead Iraqis."}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "They had We found out later that they"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "had"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "bulldozed the engineers had dug these"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "big pits and just bulldozed a lot of"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "dead bodies from Highway Death to clear"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "it out."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "Jeez."}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "brings new perspective on the dogs of"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "war."}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "No matter where you're watching Shawn"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "Ryan Show from, if you get anything out"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "of this, please like, comment,"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "subscribe, and most importantly, share"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. 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[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "All the ISIS torture videos and"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "execution videos were inspired by cartel"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "videos that came out before them."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Cartels made political candidates."}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Cartels made members of the press when"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "they report things that they don't want"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "to be reported. It is very much an"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "organization. They just politicize. They"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "very much work within political"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "structures to further their influence."}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "They hang people from bridges. They cut"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "heads off. They burn people alive. They"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "torture people and put them on videos"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "that then get dispersed on the internet."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "ISIS is taking pointers from these"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "criminal groups. But I think they fit"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "every single description of that of an"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "organization that is a terrorist"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "organization and more. As far as al"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Qaeda or ISIS, stuff like that, I don't"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "see any of them operating a"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "multi-million dollar businesses in the"}]

[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "I betrayed him."}, {"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:01", "text": ">> You still feel like that?"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:03", "text": ">> I mean, I know I had good reasons and"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "it's not like I would have done it"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "differently, but I still have really"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "complicated feelings because I betrayed"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "him. And now I also feel like I let down"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "the women who were harassed after I was."}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "If I had done more in that first year as"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "a reporter, if I had blown up my career"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "and just said, \"I'll go back to"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "practicing law.\" I know actual women who"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "it wouldn't have happened to. But at the"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "same time, I didn't want to hurt him."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "He'd been so good to me. We'd become"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "friends. He'd really helped me and my"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "family. He'd always been good to me, but"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "it was like, what if he's still doing"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "it? Am I just going to like cash my"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "check and go out there like with swagger"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "on the air? Like, I'm fine. The deciding"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "moment was my daughter was little and"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "she had fallen off the jungle gym and"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "caught the back of her head. A week"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "later, she went back at the top of that"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "jungle gym. And I'm like, look at her."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "It's so brave. And I remember thinking"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "like this can't happen to another young"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "woman"}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "This was the great bisexual god."}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "The great bisexual also known as the"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "great m how he begets children and spits"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "them out of his mouth and he's can"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "change genders and can allow others to"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "change their genders. This goes back to"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "ancient Egypt. He ingests his own and"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "produces children out of his mouth. As"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "opposed to God creating and begetting"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Adam and Eve, the origins of Dionis was"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "part of the drums that they would beat"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "would hide the screams of those who"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "refused to comply to these rituals,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "mystic rituals that they would take him"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "into caves and sacrifice them. Human"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "sacrifice,"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": ">> the Epstein stuff, the Pittdy stuff, the"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "artist, what's her name?"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Brahmovich."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Oh yeah, Brahovich. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "this was the great bisexual god."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "the great bisexual, also known as the"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "great masturbator is what his name was."}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Now, this is not just me finding cookie"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "sources. This is academic sources"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "looking up what this stuff mean. I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "using um you know, I'm doing academic"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "research. I'm not just pulling stuff off"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "the end of Wikipedia. Okay? So, so these"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "are the deities are there. But think"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "about it. God created Adam and Eve in"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "our image. It says in Genesis chapter 1,"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "in our image, let us create man, male"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "and female, let us create them. So"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "something about the binary of the male"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "and female"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "um reflects the inner life of God. We"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "see hints of the trinity already uh when"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "when God speaks in in our image and not"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "let us create man in my im our image and"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "something in the male and female"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "reflects that. And then now we get into"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "Egypt and the slavery of Egypt. You have"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "the great bisexual god who begets I"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "won't even discuss how he does it. How"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "he begets children and spits them out of"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "his mouth and he's can change genders"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "and can allow others to change their"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "genders. This goes back to ancient"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Egypt."}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "What do you describe it?"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:03", "text": ">> Describe."}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": ">> Sounds graphic."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": ">> It is graphic."}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": ">> What is it?"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "He ingests his own semen and produces"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "children out of his mouth. As opposed to"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "God creating and begetting Adam and Eve,"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "you know this in their mythology, this"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "is how this this this deity that is both"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "male and female."}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": ">> What is a deity?"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "Is that a demon?"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Psalm 96:5, the gods of the Gentiles are"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "demons. So, it's a demon. Yeah. So you"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "fast forward, not to jump too much in"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "time and space, but the Olympic"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "ceremony,"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Everybody was outraged because it was a"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "mockery of the Last Supper."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "I don't think so. I'm not sure. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "it was a mockery. Anytime they can mock"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "Christians, they can, but this is a"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Dianician ritual. That was a"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "representation of Dianesis."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "Are you familiar with that's another"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "ancient"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": ">> I'm not familiar."}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Um,"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "so"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "I was reading the Roman historian Libby."}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "Okay, you had Roman historians, you have"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "Libby, Libby, Heroditus and a few"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "others. Okay, Josephus was a Jewish"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "Roman. But around I think it was around"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "100 around the same time that the book"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "of Mcabes was written"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "um in the Catholic Bible. the book of"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "Makabes was around that time 200 150 um"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "they were actually in the book of Mcabes"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "a couple things it says it says um and"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "the Israelites Judas and Judas Makabus"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "and the Israelites waged war joyfully"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "for the Lord and so giving us a little"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "precursor into waging war but what were"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "they waging war against the Gentiles"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "were forcing them if you did not submit"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "to the Dian rituals you you lost all"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "property rights um I mean it was they"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "were enforcing them to convert to this"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "ritual and this ritual was nasty,"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "you know. So, what this was, this came"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "from Greece. Um, and picture in your"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "mind what was going on at that last"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "supper ritual. I mean, the last supper,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "I mean, this uh that Olympic Olympics."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": ">> The Olympic. Yeah. So, you have a guy"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "there, you have right? You"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "have you have the guy there laying on"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "the table, right? you have boys with"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "children, you have transvestites,"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "you know, and so they go into um so"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "anyway, Libby describes this and you can"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "look this up in his writings. He's"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "describing to the Roman Senate in 150, I"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "think 100 to 158 BC."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "We do not want to let this into our"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "pantheon. We don't want to offend this"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "god. We don't know who he is, but let's"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "let us twist this a little bit. and"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "let's just make him the god of wine. And"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "so it kind of comes into Roman culture a"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "little differently as Bakus. But Dionis,"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "the ritual the the original the origins"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "of Dionis was um Greek women would go"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "into the forest and they were called"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "Minads where you get the word maniac,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "right? And they would be it would be"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "drug infused, drugfueled alcohol and"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "drugs particularly um women would go and"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "just it the idea was to break societal"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "norms because women in Greek culture"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "were much more you see this this you go"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "look at the way women are treated in the"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "Middle East compared to say Rome today"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "you know so you see you see you see how"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "this is this is kind of an ancient the"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "way women were treated back in ancient"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "even ancient Greece pre-Christian in"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "Greece. So they were they were um this"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "was an they would go out and express"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "themselves and they would uh have orgies"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "and they would go their hair would be"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "crazy and they would scream and and and"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "yell out and they would have orgies and"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "these other things in honor of this Dian"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "this god Dianis who was also known to"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "change able to change his genders."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "So some of the men said this sounds like"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "fun. naked women out in the woods"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "getting high, drinking, whatever. So"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "they they started instituting letting"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "men into these rituals, but"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "if you want to be a part of this woman"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "ritual, you have to do certain things"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "like a woman, you know, and uh and it"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "was obey or buffet."}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "And Libby, the Roman historian Libby"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "describes it that that they would part"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "of the drums that they would beat would"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "hide the screams of those who refused to"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "comply to these sexual rituals,"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "sodomistic rituals, that they would take"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "him into caves and sacrifice him human"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "sacrifice."}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "And so, Dionis"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "is an ancient"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "pre-Christian. I mean, this ritual was"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "pre-Christian. And so in the Olympics, I"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "think what they were saying is"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "I know this is at once was a Christian"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "country, but we were here first and"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "we're we're claiming it back. We're"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "taking, you know, we're taking this"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "space back. Think about Rome. If you"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "ever been to Rome, it's amazing. You"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "should get there."}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:09", "text": ">> I've been there."}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Maybe someday you go there and interview"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "the Pope. and uh the Pantheon, the Greek"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Pantheon, what's called the Pantheon,"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "it's the Pontheos, all the gods. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "now the church of St. Mary and all the"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "martyrs. And so this is a beautiful"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "church. There's a big opening in the"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "middle and they drop rose petals down on"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "Pentecost every Sunday. It's it's an"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "ancient church. So they converted this"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "church"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "that this and it's very Roman to do"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "this. You take you take a pagan place"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "and you baptize it and you make it"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "Christian, you know. So, and so they"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "take this place the this celebration to"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "all the pagan gods and we now call it"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "St. Mary and all the martyrs. So, all"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "the martyrs and it's filled with relics"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "of of early church Roman martyrs. I had"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "mass there in one of the small cate"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "small chapels in the basement there with"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "I mean 2 century martyrs like 100 120"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "Felicity Perpetual"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "150 AD martyrs that were killed and um"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "and so going back in the Catholic"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "tradition"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "we understand that the angels who fell"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "their thrones were vacated"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "right the fallen angels and and God"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "replaces them with us which is one of"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "the reasons they hate us so much. So now"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "what became the to the church to or the"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "temple to all the gods now becomes the"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "temple to St. Mary and the martyrs and"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "so which is"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "which is why it's it's um they have such"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "burning hatred for us and so s space is"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "sacred both to us and to them and so I"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "think what's happening is across the"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "world they're saying hey we were here"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "first guys we're just taken back you"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "guys you guys displaced us when"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Christianity was here and you guys"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "kicked us out we're just going to"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "reclaim"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "we were here first I think that's that"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "whole"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "opening ceremony was was part of that."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": ">> It's it's when you start to see what's"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "happening. That's why that's why in the"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "book I say is and and this comes from"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "Kyle, father's right-hand man, my he was"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "my sensei. He was my master my master"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "sergeant and teach me a lot of this"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "stuff. We fight an ancient enemy."}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "Ancient weapons are best. These guys,"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "man, they've been around a long long"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "time. They've been trapping. One time,"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "Father Riper asked a demon, \"Why do you"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "keep doing the same things over and over"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "to trap humans?\" He said, \"Because they"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "work.\" So, but in and I was just in in"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "doing some training of of priests and"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "teams in Germany. And in in Berlin,"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "there's a"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "there's a church. There was St. Peter's"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "church in Berlin that was torn down and"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "in its place is now an interfaith"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "worship space for all religions, Hindus,"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "Muslims. There's, you know, and and it's"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "just this as the church gets weakened,"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "the enemy is pushing back."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": ">> I mean,"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "that might sound insane."}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": ">> No, it doesn't. I mean, I'm paying"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "attention."}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": ">> Yeah. And I mean,"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "I've talked about this before, but when"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "I see things like the Olympics or"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "I'll list off a number of things in here"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "in a minute, but when I when I see"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "things like that, it actually it"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "actually strengthens my faith in Christ"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "because"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "that's the other side which is obviously"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "alive and well right now, you know, and"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "I I look at that like look at like this"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "is"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": ">> it it is what it is. And if that's real,"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:55", "text": ">> then so is the good side. And so, you"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "know, ever since I've"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "come to Christ, I' i've been I've been"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "paying attention to these things. And"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "while they enrage me and they piss me"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "off and I get I get really upset, ruins"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "my day, my week, whatever, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "it it at the same time it's it's"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "strengthening my faith because if"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "there's a dark side, then there's a good"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "side. And you know, but just in the"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "couple of years that I've kind of come"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "back to, you know, we've seen we've seen"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "the Olympics. We saw Easter what I think"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "a year and a half ago where the letter"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "head from the White House was"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "transgender day happened to fall on"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "Easter, but they put little Easter"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "bunnies in the letterhead. You do you"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "know what I'm talking about? You saw"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "Notre Dame catch fire in in France. You"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "I mean there's just the the Epstein"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "stuff, the P. Diddy stuff, the artist,"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "what's her name?"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:57", "text": ">> Brahmovich."}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:58", "text": ">> Oh yeah, Brahmovich. I mean"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": ">> it's all around us and and I'm paying"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "attention. I just keep seeing it over"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "and over and over and over again. and"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "you see the the the the the decline in"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "people going to church and and"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "it it makes it real and then on top of"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "that it it it really sparks my interest"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "in spiritual warfare and because I now I"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "know it's real."}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": ">> Whereas before I was like, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "don't know about all stuff, but"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": ">> but now I'm I'm tuned in and I'm paying"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "attention."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": ">> Yeah. the the the the"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "enemy uses a they have a sacred calendar"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "too. They're more ritualistic and"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "precise in their ritual than we are. We"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "get sloppy. They do everything sinestro"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "to the left. There certain colors, you"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "know. What colors?"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": ">> Black and red specifically,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "you know. Um there's certain days,"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "moons, stars, equinox. These things all"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "have cosmic significance. No matter"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "where you're watching Shan Ryan Show"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "from, if you get anything out of this,"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "please like, comment, subscribe, and"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "extra generous, please leave us a review"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "on Apple and Spotify podcasts."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Have you ever come across someone or"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "multiple persons off camera that have"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "completely shifted the way that you see"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "this phenomenon? Yeah. I I have a buddy"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "who was in Army public affairs. This was"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "about 2015 time. He was up at Groom"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "Lake, Area 51. On the the flight line,"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "he sees a huge black triangle and it"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "just takes off at incredible speeds"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "vertically. Doesn't disturb any of the"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "dust around it."}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "There's one guy I've talked to, I think"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "he's still employed in uh military"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "service, but a C5 Galaxy from a US"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "airlift wing pulled in, front opens, and"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "what else is pulled out but a tic tac"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "described as like pearlescent, perfect,"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "beautiful. The tarp started to kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "come loose, and some airmen, servicemen"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "went to go reattach the tarp, and a"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "couple of them became violently ill."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Like one of them"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "on the spot."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "I don't want to put you in hot water,"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "but"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "about a year I've known this person."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Very close person. Like somebody I I I"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "trust on Yeah. Like a very personal"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "level, too."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "Great. 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They confirmed the"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "hangers. They said they were hangers"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "disguised as mountainside."}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Folks, the outofbody long sleeve"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "collection is back with three brand new"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "colors: astral pink, liinal gray, and"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "moss green. Only available for a limited"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "time. And once they are gone, they are"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "gone. Check them out at area52.shop."}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "One day I was doing my morning walk. a"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "lady. She was running up past me. So, I"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "stepped over to the side to step in the"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "grass. I stepped on something, some"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "small brown. I thought it might have"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "been a ball or something, but then it"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "made this weird sound that I've never"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "heard before. And it got close up to my"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "face. The lady seen it, too. I don't"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "know how to describe it, but it made"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "this noise and then went away. Me and"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "the lady stood there, looked at each"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "other like, \"What was that?\" Cuz it"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "wasn't an insect. It wasn't an animal"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "that I ever seen before. It was hard. It"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "felt like metal. I honestly don't know"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "how to describe it. Don't know what it"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "was. I know it wasn't a um"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "I know what it wasn't. And I know it"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "wasn't something from this planet. You"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "hear me? The weirdest thing I ever seen"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "in my life."}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, today it is an"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "honor for me to present to you in the"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "skiff, in the flesh, UAP Gerb. Um, do"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "you use your name at all anywhere?"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "I try not to um so much, but of course"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "Jesse has said my name is Sam. So,"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "please feel free to call me Sam or"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "whatever you want to say. I don't mind."}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "Sam or Gerb. Uh, if you don't know about"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "Sam's channel, it is UAP Gerb on"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "YouTube. Probably the most extensive"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "granular deep dives you will ever watch"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "in your entire life. And I am not, that"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "is not a hyperbole. This guy's content"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "is absolutely next level. You go into"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "these, you know, the conspiracy world is"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "layered and upon entering it as like a"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "newcomer, you're met with, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "classic abduction stuff maybe, uh,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "Bigfoot, yada yada. As you go deeper and"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "peel back the layers, you find yourself"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "deep within these black budget programs"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "of these private contractors, deep"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "within the bowels of these"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "compartmentalized military departments"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "that are for I mean that are just pretty"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "pretty much secret, complete secret. And"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "the deeper you go,"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "the less information is out there about"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "it. It's its peak of the pyramid. It's"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "like it's really really hard to get"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "into. But that's where you Sam excel."}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "You have an amazing ability to not only"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "dissect but literally investigate the"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "deepest parts of these blackbudget"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "military programs that have to do"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "especially with UFO and USO crash"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "retrieval and exploitation as well. So"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "folks, I present to you UAP Gerb."}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Welcome."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "Thank you very much. And I'm kind of"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "glad you bring that up. You know, when I"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "started my channel, uh, beforehand, the"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "years leading up to David Grush speaking"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "in 2023, I'd always felt a little"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "disappointed in some of the research"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "that had been done into kind of UFO"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "crash retrieval and material"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "exploitation programs, at least in kind"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "of the public sphere, everything felt so"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "nebulous and untraceable."}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "Yeah. But when firsthand witnesses or"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "Grush comes forward or other people come"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "forward talking about, hey, there are"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "programs that are based in, you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "secret compartments of the US DoD or IC"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "intelligence community and these"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "programs have a name. They're housed at"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "different military bases. They're funded"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "through IRAs, Idiq, indefinite delivery,"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "indefinite quantity contracts."}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "IRAs and Idiq, for those listening, can"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "you give a quick little cuz like talking"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "to you, dude, you've heard this before."}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "It's like drinking water out of a fire"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "hose. It's just it's different uh"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "funding methods. So, kind of some of my"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "work, I talk about how private"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "contractors or federally funded research"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "and development centers or university"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "affiliated research centers, we can"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "propose an acronym for those. I know I I"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "kind of get some flack for using so many"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "acronyms. It's kind of unavoidable when"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "you it"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "talk about military, but um there's"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "various funding methods for such"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "institutions. A lot of the time these"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "are done through sole source contracts."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "Meaning Loheed Martin, for example,"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "doesn't have to bid for a contract."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "Indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "contracts. Basically saying like, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "however long this contract takes,"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "however much money you need, we got"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "you.\""}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "And I found those sorts of contract"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "methods are pretty uh standard across"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "the board for some corporations like"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "North of Grumman, Loheed Martin, Rathon."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Yeah. Science Applications International"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "Corporation. I see. Yeah. just black"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "holes of money and you know these are"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "just through above board funding"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "methods. Uh people like David Grush have"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "talked about funds being used through"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "these contract methods to fund UFO"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "legacy programs programs dealing with"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "crash recovery reverse engineering of"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "non-human craft. And then you have to"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "look at some of the illegality side. I"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "mean, back in the 1980s, the Navy got in"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "some hot water because North of Grumman"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "was charging them $400 for an ashtray"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "and I think the F-14."}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "And contractors were making out on 60 70"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "enormous profits on submarine parts. And"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "so in this same line of these contract"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "methods we just talked about, are there"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "ways funds are being siphoned illegally"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "um you know, off of parts, skimmed off"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "of programs at the end of a fiscal year?"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "there's there money left over that's"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "given to the black budget where there"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "are funds that are literally untraceable"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "and unaccounted for. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "Are are there times where cash is given"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "to programs? I don't know. So funding"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "mechanisms alone is we could talk for"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "hours on that about how such programs if"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "we're operating on the assumption that"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "these programs exist, which I do think"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "they are, how they're funded."}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "Yeah, that is highly interesting and and"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "probably honestly how these programs are"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "eventually going to come to light. I"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "mean, we've seen something similar"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "happen right before, you know, September"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "2001, right?"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "With the Pentagon, you know, looking at"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "their spending habits trillion,"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "it's a lot of money. Um, not saying that"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "all of that went to UFOs, but certainly"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "there is some unaccounted, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "dollars there. Um, but before we get"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "into any of this, because I do want to"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "talk, you know, with you about this"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "stuff because I'm learning as well as"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "someone I'm not someone who knows all"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "the stuff that you talk about, but in"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "watching your videos and I watch them"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "all, they're just really really um, how"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "do I say it? It takes it away from sort"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "of the the the realm that I'm in is"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "this, hey, let's suspend our disbelief."}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "Let's, you know, shift our paradigm"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "slightly slowly while we ingest this"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "information in a judgmentfree sort of"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "environment and treat it as, you know,"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "not only educational but entertaining"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "and like let's kind of absorb this. When"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "I watch your videos, I walk away"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "feeling, oh my god, this is really"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "happening. You know what I And I and I"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "know I'm already, you know, incredibly"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "high conviction on this happening, but"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "something about putting names to"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "businesses, names to, you know, funding"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "uh mechanisms, uh names to to"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "whistleblowers and witnesses and people"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "who are, you know, in the program. I"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "mean, this becomes a real thing."}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "How did you end up interested in that"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "side of do you have a like it seems like"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "you would have like some type of"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "military background, but you have a"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "background in engineering? Yeah, I got"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "my degree in engineering from Colorado"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "State. Only worked in really boring"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "engineering jobs. You know, I wasn't the"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "guy who went on to work at rockets or"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "anything. I would just do like CAD"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "design, um, various modeling softwares"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "and stuff, but it's kind of a famous"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "story now. Back in uh 2023, a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "my friends were interested in the"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "subject. I had always been known as the"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "wacky UFO guy."}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "Really, I loved UFOs. I grew up reading"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "UFO books, obsessed with Bob Lazar as a"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "kid, obsessed with any sort of UFO story"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "I could get my hands on. So I said,"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "\"Sure, I'll make a PowerPoint"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "presentation for you guys. We'll go"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "through this together.\" That ended up"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "being 300 plus slides."}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "The day it came to showing my friends,"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "nobody showed up."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "The most UAP Gerb thing I've ever had."}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "Yeah. But nobody showed up. None of my"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "friends. And this was for like five"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "friends."}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "Oh, no."}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "So I said, \"I'll parlay this. I'll make"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "a YouTube video. Uh I I'll make some"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "videos on YouTube, you know, maybe a"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "hundred views. Do something cool.\""}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Yeah. And I started with the Wilson"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "Davis memo because I thought that was a"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "perfect place to kind of uh see where"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "the rubber meets the road from those"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "notes because not only are names"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "mentioned, but offices, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "oustad under secretary for defense for"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "acquisition and technology."}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "Yeah. For for those who don't know, as"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "Eric Davis, who's a physicist who's"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "reported to work on some of these"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "programs, and also Admiral uh Wilson."}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "Who?"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson, deputy"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "director of the DIA."}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "I'll take it away."}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "Okay. Yeah. So, so I guess um in 1997 uh"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Steven Greer and his disclosure project"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "uh met with VD VADM Vice Admiral Thomas"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "Wilson. This isn't up for debate like"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "this actually happened. There are"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "meeting notes of this. I think even"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "Thomas Wilson says he met Greer there."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "This included uh Navy Reserve Commander"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "Commander Will Miller. This included"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "Brigadier General Steven Lovekin. Um I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "trying to think who else was at this"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "meeting because there were a handful of"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "people. And the story goes that, you"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "know, Greer and his disclosure project"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "and these witnesses talked about UFO"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "crash retrieval reverse engineering"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "programs and Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "was so floored he embarked on his own"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "quest to do so."}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "And these 2002 meeting notes are a"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "recollection of the meeting between a"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "supposed alleged meeting between Eric"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "Davis and Thomas Wilson in 2002 in the"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "parking lot of EGNG which of course"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "itself is a famous defense contractor"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "may be involved with such programs. But"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "these notes basically recount Admiral"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "Thomas Wilson's ventures into finding"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "UFO legacy programs hidden within the"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "SAP special access program oversight"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "committee guarded by the senior review"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "group SRG and how he as a deputy"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "director for the DIA and very senior uh"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "flag officer for the Navy was denied"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "access to such programs stonewalled told"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "hey here's the top line we have craft"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "they're not from here we're trying to"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "figure out how they work but denied"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "access and all sorts sorts of people are"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "named."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "Paul Kaminsky, Brigadier General, uh"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "Michael I think it was Ward I think um"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "William J. Perry who was depect deputy"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "secretary of defense. So all these names"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "and what's really interesting in in"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "these notes is um Wilson talks about how"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "back in there's been some restructuring"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "of these UFO legacy programs. In the"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "notes it famously talks about an"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "incident in the '90s which a a Pentagon"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "audit almost revealed such programs and"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "they had to read this guy in"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "Yeah. Well,"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "the auditor ba"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "Yeah. Basically then the programs were"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "restructured under SAP SRG the special"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "access program oversight committee"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "senior review group. What's interesting"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "about that is the uh that restructuring"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "was done under the deputy secretary of"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "defense William J. Perry. Him and the"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "following successor deputy secretary of"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "defense who would oversee SAPO John M."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "Deutsch and then some other members of"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "permanent members of the senior review"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "group are all SIC personnel which is a"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "famous contractor and MITER personnel"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "which is an FFRC that"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "at least I'm aware is up to their"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "eyeballs in this. But"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "that's where I started for the the"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "channel because I really wanted to see"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "where the rubber met the road in terms"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "of tangible action you could take to"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "look at UFO legacy programs. But I when"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "I would talk about like a line like you"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "know Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson talked"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "about Paul Kaminsky I wasn't satisfied"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "just relaying that line like who okay"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "who is Paul Kaminsky why did he work for"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "MITER"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "who is Donald Kerr why does he connect"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "to the NRO and sic"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "and the fact that that list that was"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "sort of given or shown to Admiral Wilson"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "at the time"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "was to his surprise mostly private"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "contracting names they weren't military"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "and he he he just assumed I think as"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "most people would that when you think"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "about crash retrieval and exploitation"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "that oh it's the government always like"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "this"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "anamorphous blob."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "Exactly. And the truth is that actually"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "according to that you know memo was that"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "most of those names a large percentage"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "of them were not government officials."}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "Yeah. They were civilian contractors."}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "And there's a really good reason for"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "that as well. Right. when you go into uh"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "especially when you go into um uh like"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "IP uh someone's personal you know um IP"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "can't be can't be touched if it's like a"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "private corpor um corporation we've seen"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "this as well with uh the department of"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "energy that went from the military to"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "the department of energy again it puts"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "it into private contractor hands because"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "there are laws preventing the government"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "from going into things that belong to"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "people like discoveries that they've"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "made yeah it also really allows for"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "minimal congressal professional"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "oversight, which is one of the things"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "people discuss with UFO legacy programs"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "that"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "the majority of Congress isn't read in."}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "I would be I would be encouraged to tell"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "people to take a long hard look at who"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "in Congress has been on the MITER"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "payroll specifically and sic"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "and that those people might have some"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "understanding of these programs. I mean"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "the so the Wilson Davis notes um VADM"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "Wilson says that you know the whole"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "legacy program portfolio is pretty much"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "guarded kept under wraps by the US"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "elements of DoD and IC and one private"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "contract of that he refused to name. I"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "personally think that is Science"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "Applications International Corporation"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "just because uh I did a video on this"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "company, crazy weird company. They of"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "course took on the research of project"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "Stargate from SRRI and the CIA, but"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "yeah, they're involved in all that"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "psychic stuff,"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "which you know, psionics ties into all"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "these other things. Obviously,"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "they've been known as a revolving door,"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "the NSA West, that generals, um, former"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "directors of intelligence agencies,"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "Bobby Ray Inman, for example, they trade"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "in their stars and stripes for a"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "pinstripe suit and they head over to"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "SIC. So, that's kind of where the"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "impetus of of my research started. And"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "then"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "what I would move on to do is I would uh"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "I' I've sought out many a witness in my"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "time, firsthand witnesses. These range"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "from kind of infamous famous people on"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "my channel, Jonathan Wagant, Michael"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "Herrera, to lesserk known guys. um one"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "guy by the student name MS and I would I"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "would take their testimony, hear what"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "they had to say and after enough time of"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "trying to listen to their testimony,"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "hear it, explore it, I would try and"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "build a case around it, right? Like we"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "talked a little bit about Dougway. I I"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "there's a friend I have by the acronym"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "MS. He saw a craft in the Avery area of"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "Dougway um a saucer type craft looked"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "almost like a top um being basically"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "experimented on by a team and his"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "testimony is so short. Right. Well,"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "what's Can you walk us through that"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "testimony?"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "Yeah. So,"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "by the way, by the way, I just want to"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "say I love your passion."}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "I think it's so so freaking awesome to"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "watch you light up when talking about"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "this stuff, dude. It's awesome. It's We"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "need people like you. And so, yeah, hats"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "off to you, dude. It's so awesome what"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "you're doing. I I I love what you bring"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "to the table and your energy and"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "everything. So, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "I appreciate that."}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "Well, MS, he was a contractor for the C."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "Martin Corporation, which has facilities"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "located near Dougway. He was like a"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "scient, an electrical meter reader and"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "so forth. Um, this was 2019 to 2013, I"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "believe. I'm trying to recall the dates."}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "He had formerly served in the Navy. So,"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "he is out one day reading electrical"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "meters for an employee that was off that"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "day. They go up to all these buildings."}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "He's in the Avery section of Dougway,"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "which is right by Michael Army Airfield."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "So, Dougway Proving Ground, people may"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "not know, is the United States premier"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "chemical and biological testing center."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "Huge, 13-,500 square miles. U, it's"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "comprised of two US um DoD MRTFBs, major"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "range test facility bases. These MRTFBs"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "are where the primary amount of US DoD"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "research, development, test, and"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "evaluation occurs. So, all of the latest"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "and greatest like"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "jets, vehicles, weapons, things like"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "that. That's where we're testing them"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "out."}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "There's 23 of these. Um I think there's"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "seven air force, seven navy, seven army,"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "and then two um defense agency ones. Uh"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "some of these include uh the Edwards 412"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "test wing, NAWC China Lake, Pax River,"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "uh Yuma Proving Ground, Fort Wuka, all"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "sorts of the undersea Atlantic undersea"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "evaluation test center. I can't remember"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "the acronym, Altech. And do you think"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "for the most part these facilities I"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "mean for the most part do you know"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "obviously top secret research but on"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "non-exotic yeah technology. So it's not"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "like they're all just flying UFOs around"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "all day. Don't get the wrong impression"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "but they are held in like this crazy"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "like there's deep underground military"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "structures there. Uh and they do all of"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "their flights under complete secrecy"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "because it is national security. This is"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "advanced tech that they're working on"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "regardless of it being alien or not."}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "Right. Clear the flight line."}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "Before we continue with MS, uh, speaking"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "of that, I I have a buddy who was in"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "Army public affairs. This was about 2015"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "time. He was up at Groom Lake Area 51."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "He was with some colonels near the Chow"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "Hall and every time there's a classified"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "airframe flight, they clear the flight"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "line, close the windows, nobody's"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "allowed to look cuz he's with these"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "colonels. They're allowed to observe the"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "flight line. We talked about this last"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "night, but on the the flight line, he"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "sees a huge black triangle and it just"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "takes off at incredible speeds"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "vertically. Doesn't disturb any of the"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "dust around it. So, that might be the"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "times where, hey, the legacy program"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "gets to use some of the, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "air strips, gets to test some airframes,"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "but"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "that's that was at Area 51."}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "Yeah. Groom Lake. And that's Groom the"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "Groom Lake detachment. Area 51 is run by"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "Edwards for a detachment from Edwards,"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "the 412 test wing."}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "Mhm. And we can get into that later"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "because the Edwards 412 I think is the"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "Air Force department that actually tests"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "reproduction vehicles. But so Dougway"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "employs two MRTFBs, major range test and"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "facility bases."}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "The West Desert Tech Center, which is"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "run under the Army Test and Evaluation"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "Command."}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "What's interesting about that at TechCh,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "the Army Test and Evaluation Command, is"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "they operate outside of a or traditional"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "army research and development protocols."}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "So they kind of have free range to do"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "whatever they want, kind of"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "unaccountable. And then the Utah test"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "and training range, UTR. The UTR is"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "Utah's equivalent of the Nevada Test and"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "Training Range. All the classified"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "airspace where Broom Lake, Nellis Air"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "Force Base, possibly S4 operate. So MS"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "goes to the Avery Center of Dougway to"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "read some meters. Uh in my video on"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "Dougway, I have a map of it. It really"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "weird buildings. There's like classified"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "storage buildings, old internal rail"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "systems buildings, cuz one of the big"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "things about Dougway is the existence of"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "a deep underground military base."}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "Yeah. And so there's internal rail"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "systems. And so at an unmarked building"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "in the Avery,"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "MS walks inside and just right there are"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "men in uniform, induce, industrial"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "security personnel holding weapons. And"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "then there is a craft just floating"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "there. It is a saucer almost like a"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "top-shaped craft, but there's paneling"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "removed from the bottom where he sees"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "similar I know how interested you are in"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "Bob's arm. An inverted cone type thing."}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "He doesn't know what this is. No idea."}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "But it's like an inverted triangle cone"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "that seems to be free floating in the"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "bottom little um jutting out part of the"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "saucer."}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "And so he is held at gunpoint, taken to"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "the ditto area of Douggeway, which is"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "another area existing area of Dougway,"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "and debriefed for hours, told not to"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "talk about it and so forth."}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "So it's an incredible testimony that is"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "is pretty thin, right?"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "It's pretty thin. But there's"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "Was he reprimanded at all? Do you know?"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "Or"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "No. No. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "he's just told not to talk about it."}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "Just told not to talk about it."}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "But he somehow came in contact with a"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "chemist that said he worked on the"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "craft."}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "And this chem chemist didn't work on the"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "craft at Dougway, but under Dougway,"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "right, at the one of the dums."}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "And so this guy MS and I, we plan to"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "talk to this chemist and then I haven't"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "heard from MS since. Like we plan to"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "have a call with this chemist and then"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "classic"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "goes off the radar. And that that"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "happens quite often. But Dougway is so"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "interesting. I mean the West Desert Test"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "Center that focuses on chemical,"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "biological, radiological, nuclear and"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "emergency"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "type research, they most of the"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "directors of the West Desert Test Center"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "are former Battel Memorial Institute"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "personnel."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "And then if you know the viewers know"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "anything about Battel Memorial"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "Institute, they kind of have their names"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "written all over this back from Project"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "Stor in 1949 to the claims of the"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "alleged Reddit exobiologist leaker."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "Yep. That's where the bodies were held"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "essentially. Well, the dead ones. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Um, very Yeah, very interesting and"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "unofficially known, Douggeway, as Area"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "52."}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "That's right."}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "In 1997, Popular Mechanics published an"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "article saying the new Area 51 or"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "something where they talked about secret"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "projects being moved out of Area 51."}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "What's so weird about that article from"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "97 is on kind of the uh I guess the"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "aesthetics page for it,"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "there's a little sticky note next to an"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "F-17 that says, \"Call Admiral Bobby Ray"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "Inman at SIC.\""}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "Whoa. And if people don't know anything"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "about Admiral Inman, Inman is the like"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "the definition of an intelligence guy."}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "Deputy director CIA, NSA, DIA, Naval"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "Intelligence, Fourstar Admiral,"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "a lifer,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "the director of the National Underwater"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "Reconnaissance Office, and board member"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "to both Wacken Hut, SIC, and possibly"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "another company called Decision Science"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "Applications, Inc. And back in '89, he"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "would tell NASA mission specialist Bob"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "Echler to talk to NRO program B director"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "and d uh CIA director of science and"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "technology deputy deputy director R."}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "Everett Heinman and director of naval"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "intelligence and BDM board member Sumar"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "Shapiro to talk about recovered UFOs."}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "Well, I had contacted Admiral Bobby Ray"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "Inman, who was the head of the National"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "Security Agency in the United States, uh"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "deputy director at CIA, director of"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "naval intelligence and and a variety of"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "intelligence post. Uh a technologist and"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "uh clearly someone that if this was"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "really uh accurate, that there really"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "were UFOs and uh nonhuman intelligence"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "around, uh this is a man who had to"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "know. So I was able to contact him"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "thanks to uh a contact through Admiral"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "Lord Hill Norton here in the uh UK. Uh"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "and this conversation he alarmingly uh"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "not only indicated that uh these issues"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "were covered under national secrecy laws"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "but that the United States government"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "did in fact have possession of the"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "hardware associated with this. In other"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "words, this was an actual physical"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "phenomenon as to"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "a craft, a spaceship,"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "several of them, and they were in"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "operational condition, which I assume"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "suggested that they had been in contact,"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "that they had been given these craft for"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "some reason or another, cuz they"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "certainly weren't crashed vehicles."}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "Do do you uh anticipate that any of the"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "recovered vehicles would ever be uh"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "become available for uh technological"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "research outside of the uh military"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "circles? Again, I honestly don't know."}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "Uh 10 years ago, the answer would have"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "been no."}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "Uh whether as time has evolved, they're"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "beginning to become more open on it is a"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "possibility."}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "A short time later, Bob Xler received"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "this call."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "Mr. Aler, this is Tom King in Admiral"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "Inman's office. Yes, you would be"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "breaching confidence andor violation of"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "the security laws and discussing his"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "involvement in any matter."}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "M"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "but then in"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "BDM was also they were bought by um"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "Northrup Grumman in like the '9s weren't"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "they as well?"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "Yep. And at the BDM facility in 1985 was"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "where that infamous advanced theoretical"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "physics working group conference was"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "held right"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "um the notes of Oki Shannon are now"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "famously published that this meeting was"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "classified via DOE controls."}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "Dude, that's so much information. How"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "does your brain contain this stuff? This"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "is this is wild. Are are do you do you"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "have a history of just being really good"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "at recalling things? Cuz I find myself"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "I'll have days where I'm just like a lot"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "better and I'm sure the viewers probably"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "sympathize with with my muggle brain"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "over here, but like I'll I'll you know"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "I'll have some sharper days and other"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "you just seem to be able you and Jesse"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "actually had this incredible recall. Uh"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "but your recall is specific to really"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "really really specific to these"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "departments. And is it just from"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "studying this a lot or is it from"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "repeating it from filming or is it just"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "natural? How do you how do you hold this"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "info?"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "It's just studying and it's too"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "important um for me to to forget."}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "H"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "you know I talk about on the channel"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "like a lot of the stuff I do I try and"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "do behind the scenes to actively bring"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "witnesses uh subpoena witnesses actually"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "try and affect change in the subject"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "more so than just being a content"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "creator."}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "Yeah. Like I am my my mission is to try"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "to bring forth the disclosure of UFO"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "Legacy program. So like I got to be on"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "the ball if I'm if I'm talking to"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "important people. I I I"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "You are an important person."}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "Hopefully one day."}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "No, right now. Absolutely. You are an"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "important person in this in this"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "conversation. Make no mistake. Um that"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "is a fact and everyone will agree with"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "me watching."}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "That's something I wanted to touch on as"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "well is that yesterday you told me this"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "is like you spend 90% of your time"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "traveling, meeting witnesses, and you"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "know, moving and shaking."}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "And the other 10% of the time or your"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "downtime is where you put together these"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "incredibly in-depth, you know, dives on"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "your YouTube channel. So most of the"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "other time, most of that time, you're"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "just you're speaking to witnesses,"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "you're calling people up, you're doing"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "investigations, you're piecing together"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "the puzzle."}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "Have you ever come across like I mean"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "obviously you've come across a lot of"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "interesting people. Have you ever come"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "across someone or multiple persons off"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "camera that have completely shifted the"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "way that you see this phenomenon? Yeah."}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "Um specifically surrounding the US Army."}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "Okay. Um there is a witness that in"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "their official capacity in the army"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "brushed up against legacy programs that"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "were conducted under a US Army general"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "that that testimony has revolutionized"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "how I see this entire subject. And uh"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "from what I've been able to piece"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "together from there at least to gain a"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "little bit of understanding into how"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "legacy programs in the US Army work"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "because as far as I'm concerned I I"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "think programs are pretty siloed between"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "Army, Navy, and Air Force. And there's"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "probably a mix of intelligence agencies,"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "probably some ones we don't know that"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "pull some strings. Um but that really"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "shifted my worldview. And then of course"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "talking to other firsthand witnesses and"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "just taking in testimony. I'll tell you"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "what, I I I can't dive too much into"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "this testimony just cuz I told this guy"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "I wouldn't, you know, do a full deep"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "dive into his subject without him being"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "right by me. But lately, there's all the"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "scuttlebutt about is the 2004 Nimmits"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "Tic Tac humanmade, right?"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "Yeah. Is it Loheed Martin? Is it MHI? Is"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "it both? What is it?"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "Rosco has said that it's made waves. And"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "of course, Greer has been saying since"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "like 2018 or 2019, it's it's locked"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "skunk works tech, but he's never"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "provided anything on. And Jeremy Corbel"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "was also told that he was given what he"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "thinks is more passage material like"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "told, \"Oh, this is definitely, you know,"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "locked or whatever, which he was like,"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "you know, not believe in that.\""}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "So, what is it? I don't know because"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "there's there's one guy I've talked to,"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "I think he's still employed in military"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "service, but in 1991 or two, just"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "following the Gulf War in the Azoras"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "Islands, which is a US air base uh right"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "off the coast of Portugal,"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "a C5 Galaxy from a US airlift wing"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "pulled in, front opens, and what else is"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "pulled out but a tic tac."}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "So, on a flatbed?"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "No, it's I I I don't know if it's on"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "pallets, but it's not on a truck yet. It"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "was loaded onto a truck."}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "Oh, it was covered in a tarp and uh"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "scaffolding or whatever straps uh"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "described as like pearlescent, perfect,"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "beautiful. Uh, but the interesting thing"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "this witness said to me is as the Tic"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "Tac was being loaded up into a"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "sufficiently sufficiently large trailer"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "or a van or something that the tarp"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "started to kind of come loose and some"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "airmen servicemen went to go reattach"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "the tarp and a couple of them became"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "violently ill. One of them"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "on the spot."}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "Whoa. And this thing is loaded up into a"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "van with unmarked civilians driven away."}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "So, we're left with a couple"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "conclusions. Like, if if this testimony"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "is true, which I I personally believe it"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "is, was this thing recovered and being"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "shipped back, but the airlift wing that"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "was seen by the witness operate operates"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "out near Mlane, Virginia. So, was this"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "thing flown from Virginia to Lahes"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "Island to do some testing over water?"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "Was this thing recovered in in England,"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "mainland Europe, and and brought to"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "Lahes field to transport back to the US"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "mainland? to be given to the Navy. I"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "don't know"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "the the that's the thing too that if"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "you're capable of maneuvering this thing"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "and flying this thing and piloting this"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "thing in the way that is described by"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "Commander Fraver,"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "You wouldn't need to load it up in a"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "truck and put it on an airplane, then"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "would you? Yeah. So, to me, that says"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "NHI. That says Well, at least that says"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "foreign. It says, you know, and that's"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "the other thing. the the group that was"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "running that into the truck, maybe they"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "wouldn't even know, right?"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "You know, where is a huge pill?"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "Exactly. And to them, it might look"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "alien as well, but it might be some"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "deeper military cover, you know, who"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "knows?"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "And if Loheed Martin has that"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "technology, if if we're adhering to the"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "paper uh unidentified anomalous"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "characteristics of UAP, I can't remember"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "what the paper's titled by Kevin Kuuth."}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "Kevin Kuth. Yeah. The drop from a huge"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "altitude to sea level in a fraction of a"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "second was subjected the craft to"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "northwards of 5,500 gs which if humans"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "have that capability that is"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "mindboggling."}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "I mean our best ballistic missiles start"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "to tear apart at mid20"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "130 g."}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "Yeah. And that's unmanned like you know"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "manned we can't go past"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "right. The we would splatter."}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "Yeah. Exactly. we would splatter and a"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "lot of the craft that are capable of"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "sustaining you know uh the amount of G's"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "that we can sustain would also start"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "falling apart right you know burning up"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "and shredding and all sorts of stuff so"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "yeah if the tic tac is humanmade that"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "brings some interesting questions"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "because one of the ubiquitous things"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "about non-human crash retrievals are the"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "perfection of the craft absence of"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "rivets bolts and seams sometimes"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "cockpits landing gear human"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "characteristics that we would identify"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "with airframes And according to Fraver,"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "according to this witness, of course,"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "the Tic Tac is just perfect. The only"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "thing that stands out weird about"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "Fraver's account are the little prongs"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "on the bottom, you know."}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "Yeah, that seems like uh almost meant to"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "attach itself to something else or"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "Well, that that could have been the"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "thing turning under the water,"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "right? Right. Yeah. Which brings me to"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "obviously what I've been a little mildly"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "obsessed with is this 4chan"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "whistleblower, you know, and I I say"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "that and people rightfully cringe at the"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "word 4chan, which you should and you"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "should be skeptical. You know, my"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "argument in this situation is that"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "I got to work with what I'm given,"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "you know. So, if you're giving me"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "testimony on some weird sketchy"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "platform, I mean, that's what we got to"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "work with. You know, I can't pick and"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "choose. I can't foyer request, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "crash retrieval stuff. So, we got to"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "work with what we have. And that was"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "something that really caught my um"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "caught my eye because one thing he said"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "in his sort of Q&A that he had on 4chan"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "near the end of one of the first pages"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "was notice I don't care. I'm not here"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "for you to believe me. Notice yourself"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "coming back to this as time unfolds. And"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "boy, I've been coming back to that time"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "and time again, especially when the"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "conversation turns to these things were"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "deployed from the water. massive object"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "moving underwater at 400 knots. Um, you"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "know, even the stuff with the with the"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "drone stuff recently, a lot of that was"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "over the water. There's a there's a huge"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "connection with this USO, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "underwater um undersea or submerged"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "objects or whatever it is."}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "do you give any credence to that"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "whistleblower? And is there anything"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "that he might have said during that"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "testimony? And I say testimony, I use"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "that very loosely."}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "um that corroborates or sort of points"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "to some of the stuff that you've"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "uncovered. Well, kind of like you, I I"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "come back to that and look more"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "favorably upon it as time goes on"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "because at least what I understand, Navy"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "operations, undersea USO operations are"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "some of the the most secretive of the"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "secret. I mean, the US has its own"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "unagnowledged intelligence agency that"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "deals exclusively with underwater"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "reconnaissance."}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "The National Underwater Reconnaissance"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "Office. Yeah. Neuro and"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "that um John Ramirez when he was on the"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "pod he said that that was like the"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "deepest recovery program."}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "Yeah. Well and no pun intended."}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "Yeah. So so Neuro is interesting because"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "uh its roots it was officially created"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "in 1969 but its roots can be traced back"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "to 1964 and probably prior. Uh chief"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "scientist to special projects of the"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "Navy John P\u00f1ena Craraven was contracted"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "to work on something called the deep"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "submergence systems project DSSP in"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "1964. And the whole purpose of this was"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "to drastically increase the capability"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "at which the US Navy could perform"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "undersea ocean engineering. In 1965, he"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "is brought into a briefing and told that"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "the DSSP must satisfy something called"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "project sand dollar. Sand dollar was a"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "secretive project embedded in a project"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "embedded in another project itself"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "embedded in the Polaris uh ballistic"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "missile submarine program which was"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "spearheaded by Admiral William F."}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "Rabborn who went on to join SIC. But"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "that's neither here nor there."}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "He said sand dollar was an itemized"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "inventory of every single item of"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "national security interest nuclear and"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "otherwise on the seafloor."}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "And that to satisfy these conditions the"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "uh US Navy would create something called"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "the DSRV, deep submergence rescue"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "vehicle and the DSSV, deep submergence"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "systems vehicle or something that could"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "operate up to 20,000 ft deep. And that"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "these would retrieve items from sand"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "dollar on the seafloor. Now, outside of"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "crashed Tom Cats later on and other"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "World War II bombers and other vehicles"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "of interest, I I"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "submarines maybe."}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "Yeah. Well, yeah, that that's of course"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "1969 once Nuro was created. Its maiden"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "voyage was on the Glomar Explorer to"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "retrieve the K129 Soviet submarine that"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "crashed a bit north of Hawaii"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "and then bombs as well like duds and"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "Yep. And then what's interesting about"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "that is 1972, that same year, there's a"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "witness who talked to Leonard"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "Stringfield who said at the Great Lakes"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "Naval Station up in Chicago that in 1972"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "a teardropshaped perfect UFO was brought"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "in that was recovered by the Glowar"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "north of Hawaii in 197 right in Hawaii."}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "I watched that in your latest video."}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "that was really enjoyable to explore"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "more."}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "That's why he put some cred credence"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "into the that 4chan whistleblower"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "because he puts so much emphasis on"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "undersea recovery exploration and"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "monitoring as well."}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "Yeah. Like there are I have these old"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "reels that I publish like for the uh for"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "the members which I I sent you a link to"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "these old reels that I have done and"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "there's a lot of there's one in there"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "especially that's all about sort of the"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "underwater systems that they use the"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "satellite systems that they use to"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "you know keep track of weather"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "environments and any other anomalies"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "that might happen in the ocean that"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "might give us some clues as to natural"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "disasters and whatnot. But if they had"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "that type of technology back in the60s,"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "you can just imagine"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "how probably how skillfully they're able"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "to navigate the ocean floor at this"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "point using all types of technology and"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "they don't have to be anywhere near the"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "water, right?"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "You know, they can be sat at their home"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "and like scan every it must be like"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "mindbending"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "and must make their recovery efforts a"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "lot easier now. Well, because one of the"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "primary objectives of Neuro was to I"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "think the IV bells program you tape"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "monitoring sensors to the ocean floor"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "basically I think I think it was Ivy"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "Bells but to basically be able to listen"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "from the ocean floor similar to we have"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "satellites run by the NRO up in space"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "and of course like you're talking about"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "whether it's Admiral Galedet whether"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "it's Kevin Kuth there is so much"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "discussion about enormous like aircraft"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "carrier sized USOs in Kevin Canu's case"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "in a New Zealand destroyer disabling"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "electronics on the craft as it passed"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "under"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "as it passed under."}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "Is that the big hamburger shaped"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "replicating vehicle? Quite possibly."}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "Yeah, the MCU."}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "It because it's interesting that uh that"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "whistleblower says that these craft are"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "built to spec, right? And that's part of"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "the reason why some of these crash. It's"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "just throwaway trash. It's a it's a"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "crappy glider. We can get rid of it."}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "Well, not only the craft."}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "Yeah. The biologics also seem to be"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "disposable."}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "Yeah. And that and that seems to be of"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "course kind of the case with the the"}, {"end": "00:38:43", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "gray type being that or"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "at least some of them. At least some of"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:43", "text": "them are almost like worker bees built"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "to perform one task."}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "Yeah. If they if they wander too far"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "from the craft even that they fall ill"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "and die or whatever. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "And a lot of the golden age crash"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "retrievals um where biologics are found"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "whether this is Kingman, Roswell, Aztec,"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "there's a complete absence of food"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "systems or bathrooms or or dormitories"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "in the craft. And it's just like these"}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "biologics were put in there to control"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "the craft and that's about it."}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "Yeah. To do their tasks. And one thing"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "that's interesting because he kept"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "repeating built to spec and he"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "emphasized it in capital letters. Built"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "to spec. I can't emphasize it enough."}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "Listen to Matt Brown's testimony. For"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "whatever that's worth. I don't know. I"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "don't know the guy. I don't know how"}, {"end": "00:39:31", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "deep he ran. I don't know what ties he"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "has. But he emphasized"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "made to purpose,"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "which sounds an awful lot like built to"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "spec."}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "I think part of it's um sometimes these"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "might be, you know, made to purpose. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "so you know, if they're only making it"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "for a specific use case scenario,"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "they'll design it to excel in that"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "mission."}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "I guess we know that. We do that."}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "We have bombers that look a certain way"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "and then we have reconnaissance vehicles"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "look another way. I guess"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "Star Wars, they have giant cruisers and"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "they have the X fighters, you know, for"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "different jobs."}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "Would you be surprised to hear about"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "cases where these things, large objects"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "come out of the ocean or go back into"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "the ocean? Does that sound familiar?"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "I would not be surprised. I I have not"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "seen very large objects go in and out of"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "the water, but I've definitely seen"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "small to medium-sized UAPs either going"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "into the water and disappearing or going"}, {"end": "00:40:27", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "in and out or coming out of the water."}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "And right after he said it, he starts"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:27", "text": "talking about seeing some of these"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "smaller vehicles being deployed from the"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "ocean immediately after. And I go,"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "\"Okay, either this guy's watching my"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "videos, he's on 4chan, or he knows"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "something that is sort of corroborating"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "the 4chan, you know, guys account.\""}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "So, he talks about that and he talks"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "about reproduction vehicles."}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "That's right."}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "Specifically, triangle scene over"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "Indopatcom above foreign uh vessels."}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "Yeah. Russian vessels, too. And I think"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "in there there was there was mention of"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "it. So, it's just a mindboggling"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "testimony that that talks about craft"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "being deployed from under sea and that"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "humans have our own reproduced vehicles"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "because that's of course one of my huge"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "interests, the subject of um"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "ARV if you want to call it alien"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "reproduction vehicle. That term actually"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "originated with um"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "Brad S of the Norton Air Force show back"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "in 1988 who saw the flux liner that the"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "you know the jellum mold reproduction"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "craft. the the term has been associated"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "with Steven Greer uh throughout history,"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "but no, it actually originated from um"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "Sorenson Brad S back in 1990 and then"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "was then uh talked about by senior"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "editor of Aviation Week and Space"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "Technology, Bill Scott in a 1990"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "interview that he did with uh Brad S,"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "the primary witness to that case. So"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "that's where that term comes from. And"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "there's a lot of interesting stories"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "about reproduction vehicles, whether"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "it's the flux liner, whether it's a"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "triangle TR3B, XF-131 Super Sentinel,"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "Tic Tac, what Michael Herrera saw, the"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "Aegon gone type thing, all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "these. It that is one of the most"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "interesting things because, you know,"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "you and I were talking in in in your"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "local area, there's, you know, some"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "there's been some historic triangle"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "sightings, and that's been one of my"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "favorite deep dives to look into, too."}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "Are triangles man-made craft? Are they"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "NHI craft? Are is there a mix between"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "them? and and so forth because"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "immaculate constellation talks about"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "reproduction triangles."}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "It does talk about that and it almost"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "solely focuses on craft that were"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "observed over water."}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "That's the other thing. Whether it's"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "spheres or triangles or whatever it was,"}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "it's pretty much, you know, just over"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "the ocean. Another interesting thing"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "Matt Brown has talked about since in his"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "tweets is he talks about special purpose"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "hangers at Pax River, the Tuxen River,"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "owned by the Amentum Corporation. So,"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "what he's implying here is that Amentum"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "owns hangers that are now storing"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "recovered or produced or just found or"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "donated vehicles. Yeah, that's such a"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "wild"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "it. I mean, it seems like they got a lot"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "of these things. That's cuz you hear"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "about all these bases. You hear about"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "S4, even at S4, we're talking 1988,"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "1989. And you know, that was only above"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "ground, which we now know there's"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "probably below ground stuff happening"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "there, too."}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "But above ground there were nine"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "hangers. That's just above ground in"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "1988"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "at that one location."}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "Could So I mean conservative estimate,"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "how many UFOs do we have? Gosh, I don't"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "know. Cuz if you look at Ryan S. Woods"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "Magic Eyes Only, which is a pretty"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "comprehensive account of known UFO crash"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "retrievals, there's like 120 or more."}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "Even if only 33% of those are real,"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "that's still about 40 retrievalss. And"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "then before, you know, I know Jake"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "Barber can be a little controversial,"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "but before he went public, um, when"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "people were talking about Jake before he"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "was known publicly, they would speak"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "about how his range would sometimes"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "retrieve between one and two craft a"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "year."}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "And if he had been at that range for 20"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "years, that could be up to 40 craft just"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "at that spot."}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "And it seems like there are craft"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "dispersed possibly under S4, under Area"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "51 Grim Lake, certainly in my opinion at"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "least under Edwards, under Fort Wuka,"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "under Puxen River or at Puxent River,"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "under China Lake."}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "Right Patterson."}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "Yeah. Right Pat under Dougway and"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "possibly an entire enormous network of"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "dumbs connections of which we we can"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "never even comprehend."}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "Yeah. This it makes it kind of"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "overwhelming, don't you think?"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "Yeah. cuz like you're able to navigate"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "all of this in a way that in your mind"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "somehow makes sense of it all."}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "For someone like me who's pretty"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "wellversed in this space, you know, not"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "I I'm just kind of like a in between. I"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "I I keep a foot here, keep a foot there,"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "but it's a lot for even even my my brain"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "to comprehend."}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "How do you see"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "people coming into this space involved"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "with the government"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "tackling this subject? Because if"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "they're not someone like you,"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "it would be so easy to fool them. That's"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "a that's a great question and to me it's"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "a little bit unfortunate too. the"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "answer. Since 2017, uh, members of the"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "Senate, specifically Marco Rubio and"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "Senator Gilbrand,"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "their team of staffers, one has been"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "named Kirk McConnell, would pull"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "witnesses and and work with Arrow to"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "interview witnesses and such. So, Rubio"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "was briefed on this subject for 6 years"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "and then he still has contributed"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "nothing. My opinion is he doesn't want"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "to stake his political career on this."}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "And then you have the house who is"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "receiving disclosures from David Grush"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "and others and connections to witnesses"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "and briefings to witnesses and all this"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "and they seem completely inept to tackle"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "this issue as well. How does any sort of"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "government agency or employee or"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "official tackle this at this point? I"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "think it has to be on like the DNI type"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "level, the director of national"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "intelligence. I think it needs to be"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "tackled at a very high level because it"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "seems both Senate we have the power. We"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "just don't want to stake our careers on"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "it. they don't want to get involved and"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "the house is just too inept and again"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "it has to be someone from the outside. I"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "mean, every everybody else is"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "compromised in some type of way where"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "like they've got too much to lose"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "probably. And then of course, uh, in the"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "programs they run in, at least in my"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "opinion, from what I've heard, with"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "minimal oversight, so sprinkled here and"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "there, there might be a senator or a rep"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "that is actively briefed and on the"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "payroll of legacy. An example might be"}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "Mike Turner, the representative who kind"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "of stonewalled the UAPDA that was on"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "served the district of Pat."}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "And then, of course, there's so much"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "disinformation as well. I I mean it's"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "just it's it's such a difficult mess for"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "newcomers to track because even like um"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "Eric Berles who's since 2023 talking to"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "Grush talking to witnesses is now kind"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "of traveling to South America looking at"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "the mummies or the sphere sorry and"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "and the mummies"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "and the mummies and so just and then"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "kind of interfacing with Steven Greer"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "and then kind of like I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "it's true or not but spilling"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "conversations he says he had with Grush"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "about the morphology of four different"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "types of nonhumans. And so it's it's"}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "it's a really difficult place to track."}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "Okay. I think what needs to happen and"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "is witnesses need to be subpoenaed. You"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "know, get their butts in a seat and"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "force them to disclose. I don't know how"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "that sort of power can be contracted and"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "executed properly."}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "I think a dedicated task force needs to"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "be made. Uh but it it's just such a"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "quandry and such a pickle. But then of"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "course you have Arrow that's supposed to"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "be doing this stuff and now the"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "they're on legacy payroll too though."}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "Yeah. The former deputy director Tim"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "Phillips is now doing his podcast tour."}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "uh doing his now that he's uh off the"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "payroll so he can say whatever he wants."}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "That's what Susan go would say. Who a"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "would badmouth guys like David Grush on"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "LinkedIn. Yeah. And b is now talking"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "nonsense on podcast talking about the"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "Majestic 12 special operations manual."}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "What's interesting here is on the Event"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "Horizon podcast, great show. John"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "Michael Godier is one of the smartest"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "people that I have ever heard speak. But"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "Tim Phillips alludes to the special"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "operations manual on that."}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "Yeah. They they talk about it quite"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "extensively."}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "Yeah. and he says, \"Oh, like I don't"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "remember any illustrations. Viewers of"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "your channel, cuz you've covered the"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "psalm, know that there's boxing"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "instructions.\""}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "He said, he kind of skirts around that"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "when Tim Phillips would have"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "conversations with other podcasters off"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "air on the episodes, he would talk that"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "the manual he saw had extensive"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "documentation"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "on packaging and imagery."}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "So, he can't get on the same page as"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "what he says on air versus off air. He"}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "also can't get on the same page with"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "Kirk Patrick. Kurt Patrick says off air"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "that he is familiar with the psalm."}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "That's what Phillips is talking about."}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "But"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "the psalm is the special operations"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "manual that was leaked in 94"}, {"end": "00:48:44", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "um to Don Berliner uh which contains"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "basically instructions on how to handle"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "uh and retrieve craft uh you know alien"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "craft,"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "right? And so then"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "and bodies."}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "Yeah. And bodies and different types of"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "bodies. Two types of EB."}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "Two of EBEs. Yeah. And Sean Kirkpatre"}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "says that, you know, we've know this"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "document, but Majestic 12's already been"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "debunked, so we didn't really pay"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "attention to it. Are you kidding me?"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "And this is Sean Kirkpatre, the guy who"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "has patents with sic and patents on"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "influences in a social channel."}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:09", "text": "He's on a payroll."}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "This is Sean Kirkpatrick, the guy who in"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "2022 while he was directing Arrow, Arrow"}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "got contracts with Sandp, a company"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "specializes specializing in preventing"}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "whistleblower leaks. This is Sean"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "Kirkpatrick that immediately when he"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "left to leave Arrow, he went to work for"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "Oak Ridge, which is a Department of"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "Energy FFRDC, fedally funded research"}, {"end": "00:49:32", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "and development center. There's rumors"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "milling around that there are two craft"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:32", "text": "under Oak Ridge. This is uh the same guy"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "who went on to work for Georgia Tech,"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "UARC, University Affiliated Research"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "Center, as a senior adviser. This is the"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "same guy whose uh LLC, Nonlinear"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "Solutions, has now, as of 2025, started"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "subcontracting with MITER for US Space"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "Command. What are they doing there?"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "This is the same Sean Kirkpatre who"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "ghosted Jesse Michaels on a $100,000"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "podcast appearance. You're like, \"That"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "guy's got to have some pretty good money"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "if he can turn down 100K.\""}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:50:00", "text": "Yeah. And this is the same Shawn"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "Kirkpatre who the Arrow Historical"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "Report Volume One lied about witness"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "testimony. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "Perfect example, like actually tangible"}, {"end": "00:50:12", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "proof is the Michael Herrera testimony."}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "Arrow Historical Report Volume 1 says he"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:12", "text": "talked about extraterrestrial vehicles"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "and US special operations team. Well,"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "Michael's official official memorandum"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "for record mentions no such thing. And"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "why was Arrow created when the initial"}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "legislation proposed in 2023 and 2020 or"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "2022 and 2023 was supposed to be an"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "office called the UAP JPO, Joint Program"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "Office."}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "Arrow is almost a bastardized version of"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "that"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:33", "text": "and probably just serves as a honeypot."}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "Ask anybody who has testified to Arrow."}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "If Sean Kirkpatrick was even in the"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "room, he'd be sitting back on a notepad,"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "maybe ask one or two questions. uh just"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "that that office is a mess. And now"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "Kazowski, I don't know if he has his"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "head in the right place. I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "not, but even recently,"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "well, he even told James Fox in a skiff,"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "uh he goes, \"You can go on the record"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "with this, but my hands are tied.\""}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "That's what he told James Fox. He's"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "like, \"Go on the record, my hands are"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "tied.\" Insinuating that"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "he would like to, but it's just above"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "his pay grade and he can't do he can't"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "do anything."}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "And we might have an example of that. I"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "talk all the time about these FFRDCs and"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "Uarks. Uh essentially what these are are"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "they're not contractors, they're not"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "universities, they are semi-private"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "institutions. So like MITER Corporation"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "is a fedally funded research and"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "development center. It's not fully"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "private, but it's still semi-private."}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "So uh USD and uh USG and DoD can keep"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "their hands on them. But back in"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "November when uh Kazowski and Arrow"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "testified to Senate, you know, following"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "the House hearings where Alisando"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "Shelonburgger and Michael Gold and"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "Galedet testified that"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "Kazowski said, \"Oh, we're Arrow. We're"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "working with FFRDC's and Urarchs, but we"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "can't name them and all that.\" So, it's"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "it's just some interesting ties."}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "Yeah, definitely. I I think but that's"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "that's you know, part of the question I"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "was asking you u before we got into this"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "was"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "how did how do we do it? you know, it it"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "we're, you know, I'm I'm Canadian, so I"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "have no major dog in the fight, but"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "I also"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "just find it kind of discouraging time"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "after time, we get these congressional"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "hearings, we get these meetings, we get"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "these promises, we get these, you know,"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "oh, the the latest act, you know, hit"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "the floor and like all this and and it's"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "it kind of seems after hearing and"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "watching your videos that like, dude,"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "this stuff is so layered. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "that even the people who are directly"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "involved with like investigating it"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "don't really understand what's going on."}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "And you know, listening to you, I can't"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "imagine there are a hundred people in"}, {"end": "00:52:47", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "the world that know anywhere near as"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "much as you do on this subject. I can't"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:47", "text": "even imagine 10 other people in the"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "world who know as much as you do about"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "the military's involvement and uh"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "private corporations involvement with"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "like retrieval and exploitation. So like"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "what's why don't they just hire you? Why"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "don't why aren't you the guy?"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "I'll glad I would gladly help. Gladly"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "because these layers do go so deep. I"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "mean, I know Jesse talked about this on"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "Rogan, but Sean Kirkpatrick Arrow, it"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "was set up under the under secretary for"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "defense for intelligence and security,"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "and this was under Kirkpatrick's BFF,"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "Ronald Moltry."}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "Ronald Moltry, former USD ins former"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "board member for Battel MITER Institute"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "and chairman of the Better Angels, which"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "is funded by the Carile group. So, even"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "a guy who sets up Arrow is so deeply"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "connected to some of these alleged"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "offices and programs."}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "Yeah, they would never let it out."}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "That's the That's what I keep feeling is"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "like anything we get has to be forcibly"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "taken,"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "but never asked for."}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "It sounds silly to me to be like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "well, here here's a paper. You have to"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "tell me what you have.\" Like, they're"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "just going to go, \"Okay.\""}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "And I don't blame some witnesses for not"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "wanting to disclose. I mean, imagine"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "being a GS-15"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "uh or spending 30 years in the army. You"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "you get paid a great salary because"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "you've given your life and your body to"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "the country for decades and you're"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "forced to sign NDAs. And if you if you"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "break any of these NDAs, what you saw,"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "you're not going to get killed outright."}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "You're going to get your pension"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "stripped."}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "Yeah. Or you get defamed. You get"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "ridiculed. Look what happened to Grush."}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "They attacked his credibility. They"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "attacked his his mental health for some"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "reason."}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "That Clippenstein piece. Nonsense."}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "It was absolute nonsense. And as any,"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "you know, anybody who's lived with a"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "veteran or like, you know, like my"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "father served 30 years in the military"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "in Canadian Armed Forces as well. Um,"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "you know, that stigma of like, oh,"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "you've lost your mind."}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "It it is so it is so hundred years old."}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "You know, this isn't shell shock we're"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "dealing with. This is okay, these are"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "like traumatic events that we have to"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "like look at, but that doesn't hinder"}, {"end": "00:54:53", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "you from having completely sane"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "conversations and knowing what you're"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:53", "text": "talking about, right? it it to for them"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "to like lump it all into one category"}, {"end": "00:55:01", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "and be like, \"Oh, you're you're mentally"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "unstable, therefore none of what you're"}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:55:01", "text": "saying is true, I think is kind of an"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "insult to a lot of the American veterans"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "that are out there.\""}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "Yeah. I mean, to because we have a"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "specific case to attack Grush because he"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "was grieving a friend and suffering from"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "PTSD."}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "Repugnant."}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "That is repugnant."}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "Yeah. And that's the lengths they'll I"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "mean, that's just tip of the iceberg of"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "what they'll do."}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "Yeah. If they want to shut you up,"}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "they'll attack your credibility. Even"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "Lou, he was sat there right where you're"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "sitting and he said,"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "you know, deny"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "and uh first thing you do is deny and"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "second thing you do is like redirect."}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "Yeah. That's actually guideline for"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "USAP. If you're read into USAP, you deny"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "and then you lie. You redirect. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "Like you are obliged to and USA is an"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "unagnowledged special access program"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "operates in the department of defense."}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "On the intelligence side, you have a CAP"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "controlled access program. There are"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "special access program, unagnowledged"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "special access program and some of these"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "are waved. Yeah. Like wrapaps waved uses"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "meaning they're off the book from"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "congressional oversight. So even the"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "setup of such programs is so intriguing."}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "Yeah. It just is tough man because you"}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "don't know who to trust, right? You get"}, {"end": "00:56:11", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "a guy like Lou come here you know and"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "and talk about these things and you know"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:11", "text": "he's he's he's a really nice guy. like I"}, {"end": "00:56:18", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "met him. He's like a super friendly"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "person, but from his background and from"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:18", "text": "everything else, like I don't know if I"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "can believe him. And that's just the"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "state of things. I I don't know. Like"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "he's been proven time and time and again"}, {"end": "00:56:27", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "to have said things that turned out to"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "not be true,"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:27", "text": "you know? So then you have to start"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "asking yourself even though I like the"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "guy, even though I think he's, you know,"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "a nice person and means well,"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "man, like can I even believe a word that"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "comes out of his mouth? And this"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "happens, you know, and I don't want to"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "be paranoid,"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "but I'm also facing the reality that"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "these programs stop at nothing to"}, {"end": "00:56:51", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "confuse you to, you know, to remain"}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:49", "text": "completely aloof. Um, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:51", "text": "Lou did previously work at the counter"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "intelligence field activity. So, I I"}, {"end": "00:56:58", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "don't I don't want to get involved in"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "the the drama there, but I do think that"}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:58", "text": "is something for people to"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "and neither do I, but I'm I'm I'm I'm"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "not attacking this, but I'm I'm coming"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "at it from a very pragmatic point of"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "view. And if Lou were sitting here, I'd"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "say the same thing to him that like"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "although I think you're a nice person,"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "you've been nice to me."}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "Um I now know that I might not be able"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "to trust you when it comes to these"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "things because that might you might be"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "doing your job and I just I just got to"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "step away from that a little bit."}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "And especially in this field where"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "there's so many scops and psychological"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "warfare. I mean, recently with the Wall"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "Street Journal piece in the Yankee Blue,"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "hey, if Yankee Blue can tricked 10,000"}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "Air Force guys, go ahead, release those"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "documents and the photos that tricked so"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "many people into thinking we had an"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "anti-gravity drive. It's not classified"}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "cuz it's fake. Go ahead, pop it out."}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "Let's see it. It doesn't have to wait"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "till Aerrow historical volume 2, which"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "it won't be in. Go ahead. If it's not"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "real, show us. Even Kirkpatrick and"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "others don't like think different EMP or"}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "weather systems were responsible for 67"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "Malmstrom when Wall Street Journal"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "claimed it was some EMP device 40 ft"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "high walked up to the door."}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "And also the problem with that is it"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "focuses specifically on Air Force"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "programs."}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "UFO programs at least from what I"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "understand and I would say this with the"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "utmost confidence are not relegated to"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "the United States Air Force. It may seem"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "like it UFO airframe flies through space"}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "and atmosphere. But no, there are active"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "RDT&s in the US Army, Navy, and probably"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "offshoot weird psych programs, SAI"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "programs in the CIA, NSA,"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "neuro, all that sort of weird stuff."}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "Yeah. You know, and that's where I think"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "eventually my mind goes from"}, {"end": "00:58:35", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "all of this, which feels really like"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "sort of like, pardon the woo, you know,"}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:35", "text": "uh, term here, but like lower density"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "energy where it's like, hey, why are we"}, {"end": "00:58:46", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "why are we even wasting time with these"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "channels right now? Because it does seem"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:46", "text": "to me at least a little fruitless in"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "terms of like searching. Sure, like"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "you're going to get some witnesses come"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "out of the woodworks and say these"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "programs exist, but shouldn't the bigger"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "news be that aliens exist?"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "Um, you know, and and which is why"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "initially when I was looking at"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "Skywatcher, you know, initially I was"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "like, oh, cool. some something to bridge"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "the gap here between people who believe"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "that you can summon these things through"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "C5 and then other people who have been"}, {"end": "00:59:15", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "on these crash retrieval and now we have"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "some type of like middle ground you know"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:15", "text": "uh we're like you said rubber meets the"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "road"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "but you know part of me is still has a"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "hard time leaning into that side of"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "things because I'm like well if you can"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "make contact then you don't need any of"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "any of that has e has you have you ever"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "encountered"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "anything in this space through witness"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "testimonies or anything else that led"}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "you to believe that there is"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "communication happening with NHI. Uh you"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "could talk about um the well to start"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "the barber testimony. I"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "it's such a it's become such a can of"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "worms. Um, remember I've been connected"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "with uh this whole story for so long."}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "Um, because this was the insider that"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "took Michael Herrera to the infamous"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "range now."}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "And when um Jake came forward with Ross,"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "it finally was known, finally could talk"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "about that this was the insider of"}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "Michael. And of course, Jake's huge"}, {"end": "01:00:19", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "claim is that psionics are used to"}, {"end": "01:00:22", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "communicate with Craft. Well, you know,"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:19", "text": "before he went public, there was a lot"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:22", "text": "more discussion about some of the stuff"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "Jake said and some of the stuff that"}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "that he did, and there was a huge focus"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "on uh like direct, very quantifiable"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "summoning of craft to take them down and"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "retrieve the craft. So, that that sort"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "of psionic uh aspect is something I've"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "always I've been interested now ever"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "since Jay came forward. Also, the um I'm"}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "trying to think Above Black by Dan"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "Sherman. That's a pretty interesting"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:45", "text": "testimony, too, about I think he was"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "with NSA um kind of basically"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "interfacing with non-human intelligence."}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "What's interesting to me is there's some"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "former intelligence guys that have sat"}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "down and said, \"Hey, like this is so"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "interesting the way Dan Sherman"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "understood like various intelligence"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "collection methods.\" You know, I we"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "can't I don't know if he's telling the"}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "truth per se, but he seems to have a"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "very firm grasp grasp on like how"}, {"end": "01:01:10", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "elronic intelligence collection is is"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "made."}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:10", "text": "Besides that, there's, you know, pretty"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "famous stories of deals made with NHI,"}, {"end": "01:01:16", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "specifically like Hollowman Air Force"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "Base and Eisenhower,"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:16", "text": "Briata treaty. And"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "I don't know if that stuff's true, but"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "it's it's certainly interesting think to"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "think about. I am kind of disturbed to"}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "not disturbed but encouraged uh"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "inquisitive and almost a little bit"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "disturbed to think about interfacing"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "with nonhumans like conversing with them"}, {"end": "01:01:35", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "uh technology transfer. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "Uh swapping ideas. There's of course the"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:35", "text": "famous J-Rod story from Bill Uouse and"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "Dan Barish. U there's William Steinman"}, {"end": "01:01:44", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "who's a great former UFO researcher."}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:42", "text": "He's now passed way back in the day. He"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:44", "text": "forwarded a bunch of witnesses to Greer."}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "He's included Mark McCandish and stuff,"}, {"end": "01:01:54", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "but he had a witness uh who said was a"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "translator for ETSs at Area 51. I've"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:54", "text": "never found who this person is."}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "But I' I've wanted to so bad."}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "That's incredible."}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "Like a translator as in somebody who"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "could read their thoughts and Yeah."}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "And maybe it's a translator in more like"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "a like a cryptography type setting"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "because with so many crash retrievals,"}, {"end": "01:02:18", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "you have glyphic style writing. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "Aztec, Roswell, Kexburg, Randy Anderson"}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:18", "text": "story. So many of these stories, there's"}, {"end": "01:02:23", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "like"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "most of them actually. Even I read"}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:23", "text": "recently I reread Antonio via Boas and"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "there was like some symbolism over the"}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "door there as well that looked, you"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "know, eerily similar to what Danny"}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "Shehan saw at Project Blue Book"}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "in the classified files, right under"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "Carter. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "Cuz he talked about seeing what a"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "retrieval in the snow and running along"}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "the the outer lip."}, {"end": "01:02:45", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "Yeah. The bottom the bottom sort of uh"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "lip of the dome. That might have been uh"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:45", "text": "there's a there's a I don't know how"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "true this is, but the special report 13"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "from Blue Book, which is allegedly like"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "the infamous excluded book that talked"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "about NHI autopsies, crash retrievals"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "that was just never included that even"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "Detav Bronx autopsy of the Kingman I"}, {"end": "01:03:04", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "mean the Aztec beans was included in."}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "And I've always wondered if that's what"}, {"end": "01:03:10", "start": "01:03:04", "text": "Danny Shehan had had access to."}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "I mean, we'll never know, but that is"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:10", "text": "certainly interesting to think that"}, {"end": "01:03:17", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "somewhere in a shoe box."}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "Yeah. But in terms of like interfacing"}, {"end": "01:03:21", "start": "01:03:17", "text": "with nonhumans, it it always seems for"}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "all intents and purposes that a lot of"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "this is done telepathically through"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "mind-to- mind connection."}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "Do you did you ever come Okay, so we're"}, {"end": "01:03:31", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "going to back up here a bit. You're at a"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "young age you were fascinated with UFOs."}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:31", "text": "We're How young are we talking?"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "Since I could read."}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:33", "text": "Since you could read. So, how how young"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "is that? I have no I don't know"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "between five and 10 at some point,"}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "Yeah. I just remember having like a like"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "a UFO sightings book and always"}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "wondering there might be a little bit"}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "more to this than just like the average"}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "conspiracy Bigfoot Joe would want to put"}, {"end": "01:03:51", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "credence to."}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:48", "text": "Sure. So I mean you have this deep deep"}, {"end": "01:03:57", "start": "01:03:51", "text": "interest in UFOs from a young age."}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "Part of you is already high conviction"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:57", "text": "that this is real. Kind of like my"}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "journey as well with watching Fire in"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "the Sky at the age of nine. I was like,"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "\"Oh my god, this is happening."}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "Um, but was there ever a point through"}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "either your research or through witness"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "testimony that is yet to come out that"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "gave you that raised your conviction"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:17", "text": "level on"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "us interacting with non-human"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "intelligence face to face? Face to face."}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "I don't know about face to face, but"}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "dead beans and attempting to"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "communicate. Yes."}, {"end": "01:04:37", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "Face to face. I don't know. I I would"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "love to talk to a witness who who has"}, {"end": "01:04:40", "start": "01:04:37", "text": "can claim to have interacted with a"}, {"end": "01:04:43", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "being face to face."}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:40", "text": "But but bodies absolutely"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:43", "text": "dead bodies. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "dead. You would put your life on that?"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "I would, of course, without seeing them"}, {"end": "01:04:53", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "myself, I can't put my life on it, but I"}, {"end": "01:04:55", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "would say above 95 96% conviction."}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:53", "text": "Wow. Yeah. And that is based on what's"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:55", "text": "out there publicly or the things that"}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "you've heard? just witnesses who will"}, {"end": "01:05:05", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "not go public under fear for their"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "livelihood and and pension have have"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:05", "text": "witnessed"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "craft and and bodies and I have"}, {"end": "01:05:14", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "extremely high conviction in the in"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:13", "text": "how many witnesses are we talking"}, {"end": "01:05:19", "start": "01:05:14", "text": "roughly?"}, {"end": "01:05:22", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "I'm talking one one specific that I put"}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:19", "text": "so much credence in."}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:22", "text": "Okay. And this is recent"}, {"end": "01:05:28", "start": "01:05:25", "text": "uh like about a year. I don't want to"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "put you in hot water, but"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:28", "text": "about a year I've known this person."}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "Very close person like somebody I I I"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "trust on"}, {"end": "01:05:35", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "like a very personal level too."}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:35", "text": "Great."}, {"end": "01:05:41", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "And yeah, they've confirmed to you that"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "indeed there are retrieval of bodies,"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:41", "text": "multiple retrievals of bodies."}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "Yeah. Can you talk about"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "maybe even some of the species that"}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "specific person likes to shy away from"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "the morphology because that sort of"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "stuff was protected in an NDA in a very"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "specific facility. But other people"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "whomst I trust very much have talked"}, {"end": "01:06:06", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "about"}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "little gray beans. Okay, that that's"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:06", "text": "something I would highly suspect is"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "true, especially in just from crash"}, {"end": "01:06:13", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "retrieval cases that I personally"}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "believe are are legitimate. Aztec,"}, {"end": "01:06:19", "start": "01:06:13", "text": "Kingman, and Roswell, little gray"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:16", "text": "bodies, little humanoid bodies. But then"}, {"end": "01:06:24", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "I do think there's probably credence to"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "like the tall sort of tall white beans,"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:24", "text": "the James or Charles Hall type."}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "Yeah, Charles Hall. the mantis bug type"}, {"end": "01:06:33", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "things that dates all the way back to"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "Robert Sarbacher."}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:33", "text": "Uh who I put a lot of credence in. If"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "people are unfamiliar with Robert"}, {"end": "01:06:39", "start": "01:06:36", "text": "Sarbacher, he was a prodigy of Einstein."}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:39", "text": "Uh he was a consultant to the defense"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:41", "text": "research board that was operated under"}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "Banavar Bush. In 1950, Canadian radio"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "engineer Wilbert B. Smith reached out to"}, {"end": "01:06:52", "start": "01:06:48", "text": "Robert Sarbacher hoping to learn more"}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "about UFOs. By September of 1950,"}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:52", "text": "Wilbert B. Smith uh wrote a memo to the"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:54", "text": "Canadian Department of Transport hoping"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "to start a UFO program,"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "Project Magnet"}, {"end": "01:07:02", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "and then Project Second Story, two of"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "them. And he said four points, three or"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:02", "text": "four points. One, UFOs exist. Their"}, {"end": "01:07:07", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "motus operandi is unknown. The effort in"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "the United States is spearheaded by"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:07", "text": "Vanavar Bush. Uh and the classification"}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "of the program is higher than that of"}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "the Hbomb. and Robert Sarbacher while he"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "never attended these crash retrieval"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "meetings personally at Wright Patterson"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "Air Force Base in 1950 with Vayavar Bush"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "Dr. Eric Walker and probably some"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "majestic 12-like entities Carl A"}, {"end": "01:07:31", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "Highland debt left Bronc uh Rosco"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "Hilloder Forest all is long dead at this"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:31", "text": "point after he was thrown out of a"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "hospital window."}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "That bodies seen were like insects."}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "And of course there's plenty of of of of"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "testimony of insect type beings. I think"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "uh uh John Blitch talked about mantis"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "type beans as well."}, {"end": "01:07:52", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "But Robert Sarbacher, I put so much"}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "credence in that because not only did he"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:52", "text": "talk very soberly about Vanavar Bush and"}, {"end": "01:07:58", "start": "01:07:54", "text": "all this, but he also introduced Dr."}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "Eric A. Walker"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:58", "text": "who was a brilliant scientist as well,"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "head of Penn State, president of Penn"}, {"end": "01:08:07", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "State, uh Penn State's UARC, the Applied"}, {"end": "01:08:09", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "Physics Laboratory. And Eric A. Walker"}, {"end": "01:08:11", "start": "01:08:07", "text": "said himself that he knew about the"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:09", "text": "majestic 12, that it was real, but to"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:11", "text": "pursue such a venture would be folly. He"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "he said to UFO researcher Henry Aadel,"}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "he gave a Don Kyote quote, \"I'd be like"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "chasing after windmills.\""}, {"end": "01:08:23", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "He also said to Azadel, \"What do you"}, {"end": "01:08:25", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "know about ESP, extra sensory"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:23", "text": "perception? Unless you know about ESP,"}, {"end": "01:08:27", "start": "01:08:25", "text": "you would never be admitted into such"}, {"end": "01:08:29", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "programs.\""}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:27", "text": "Isn't that also what the head of"}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:29", "text": "Lockheed said?"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "Yeah, James Ryder."}, {"end": "01:08:36", "start": "01:08:31", "text": "That's right. who gave talks on like uh"}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "like like consciousness and really"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:36", "text": "existential stuff before his passing."}, {"end": "01:08:41", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "Before his passing like near the end, he"}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "was just all about Yeah. If you want the"}, {"end": "01:08:44", "start": "01:08:41", "text": "secret to UFOs, you got to understand"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "ESP first."}, {"end": "01:08:49", "start": "01:08:44", "text": "You know, recent discussions by our"}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "Rosco Ross Colt has talked about a"}, {"end": "01:08:53", "start": "01:08:49", "text": "retrieval that has gone really under"}, {"end": "01:08:56", "start": "01:08:51", "text": "under the radar in the Bornean jungle."}, {"end": "01:08:59", "start": "01:08:53", "text": "He talked about he talked to an"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:56", "text": "Australian military photographer. This"}, {"end": "01:09:02", "start": "01:08:59", "text": "is I can't remember the podcast you"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:09:00", "text": "discussed this in, but this photographer"}, {"end": "01:09:06", "start": "01:09:02", "text": "was contracted by a US recovery team to"}, {"end": "01:09:08", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "go inside of a craft and take photos and"}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "everything was naked and empty and bare"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:08", "text": "and the the takeaway is that this craft"}, {"end": "01:09:15", "start": "01:09:10", "text": "is piloted via consciousness. And a lot"}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "of people associate that with psionics,"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:15", "text": "right, with Jake Barber, but this goes"}, {"end": "01:09:20", "start": "01:09:16", "text": "all the way back even to Philip J."}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "Corso."}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:20", "text": "Yeah. To Roswell."}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "Yeah. In Dawn of a New Age, his"}, {"end": "01:09:25", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "manuscript, he talks about how"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:24", "text": "headband."}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:25", "text": "Yeah. The headband transceiver also in"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "the Stringfield Files. Yeah. But what"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "Corso talked about specifically is that"}, {"end": "01:09:34", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "the foreign technology division out of"}, {"end": "01:09:37", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "the army, not the air forces. This was"}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:34", "text": "under General Arthur Trudeau wanted to a"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:37", "text": "bridge that technology, that"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "consciousness technology to control"}, {"end": "01:09:43", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "ballistic missiles with brain waves,"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:09:46", "start": "01:09:43", "text": "So a lot of this consciousness stuff"}, {"end": "01:09:48", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "goes way far back. It's not new. And you"}, {"end": "01:09:51", "start": "01:09:46", "text": "know, I'll be honest, it was a it that"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:48", "text": "was I had to accept that. Uh that was"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:51", "text": "tough for as a like a a logical"}, {"end": "01:09:57", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "engineered mind. One of the things that"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "really helped me start to settle in was"}, {"end": "01:10:00", "start": "01:09:57", "text": "back at the November hearings. You and I"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "talked"}, {"end": "01:10:04", "start": "01:10:00", "text": "and you and I that's the first time we"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "met. We were talking about kind of"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:04", "text": "remote viewing and consciousness and I I"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "really had started to kind of open up to"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "ideas then. So that that it was really"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "cool to be able to to speak about that"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:11", "text": "then."}, {"end": "01:10:16", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. It seems like that's seems"}, {"end": "01:10:17", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "like that's how it started."}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:16", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:17", "text": "And after going through the mud and"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "getting past the nuts and bolts, it"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "seems like that's where you always end"}, {"end": "01:10:26", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "up."}, {"end": "01:10:28", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "Yeah. You you can't escape it because"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:26", "text": "even if you look at sic, you know, the"}, {"end": "01:10:33", "start": "01:10:28", "text": "big money contractor, defense"}, {"end": "01:10:35", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "extraordinaire, okay, they have side"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:33", "text": "programs, remote viewing programs. Okay."}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:35", "text": "So does MITER, the MITER Corporation."}, {"end": "01:10:40", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "Who else does that? They're just"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "unacknowledged."}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:40", "text": "Mhm. Yeah. I've heard a lot of shady"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "stuff about them as well."}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "MITER. MITER, I think, is the tip of the"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "spear for for Navy programs."}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "The absolute tip of the spear. Um I"}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "would just be very interested in their"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "uh USP and SAP dealings in Mlane,"}, {"end": "01:11:01", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "Virginia in Crystal City specifically."}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "Why is that?"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:01", "text": "Uh cuz Crystal City is where I think"}, {"end": "01:11:07", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "eight out of 10 of the US's largest"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "defense contractors are located"}, {"end": "01:11:11", "start": "01:11:07", "text": "uh north of Grumman, Rathon, all of"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "this. And I think this is where most I"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:11", "text": "just as I think that the American West"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "and most of the MRTFBs major range test"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "facility bases are where a tremendous"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "amount of UFO reverse uh or sorry"}, {"end": "01:11:23", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "research development test and evaluation"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "occurs. That Crystal City is where such"}, {"end": "01:11:29", "start": "01:11:23", "text": "contracts are executed and handled."}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "Is there a dumb under that location? A"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:29", "text": "massive mil underground military base? I"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "think so. Under the Pentagon"}, {"end": "01:11:35", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "specifically, there were old plans for"}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "it under Lyndon B. Johnson and Nixon. I"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:35", "text": "think it was not the not the NMCC, but"}, {"end": "01:11:42", "start": "01:11:38", "text": "an enormous cavern."}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "Would you feel I I almost feel like you"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:42", "text": "might get further if you just like hung"}, {"end": "01:11:48", "start": "01:11:44", "text": "around some of these bars around there?"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "Probably. Probably. But also, what kind"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:48", "text": "of spooks are watching, right?"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "Yeah, obviously all of them. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "Who knows when the the men in black are"}, {"end": "01:11:55", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "watching? I mean, I I remember"}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "specifically."}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:55", "text": "Have you ever had a run in?"}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "No, not in person. I've had weird I've"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "had Nobody has ever contacted me in"}, {"end": "01:12:06", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "person. I've had weird instances where a"}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "close witness and I were talking and as"}, {"end": "01:12:09", "start": "01:12:06", "text": "soon as we started to ramp up our"}, {"end": "01:12:11", "start": "01:12:07", "text": "conversations, we'd get calls from"}, {"end": "01:12:13", "start": "01:12:09", "text": "somebody claiming to be an F or sorry, a"}, {"end": "01:12:15", "start": "01:12:11", "text": "special investigator asking if we"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:13", "text": "specifically were talking to each other."}, {"end": "01:12:19", "start": "01:12:15", "text": "Whoa. And like they would say my name"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "and I wasn't using my personal phone"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:19", "text": "number, right? I was using a pretty"}, {"end": "01:12:26", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "trying to be careful. That was just like"}, {"end": "01:12:28", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "um Jonathan Wagant's fellow Marines he"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:26", "text": "was with. I emailed one of them from my"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:28", "text": "ugmail.com email. My name's not on it."}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "It's not even associated with my IP"}, {"end": "01:12:35", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "address. I I try to go through links to"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "to make sure that, you know, I can stay"}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:35", "text": "under the radar. And this marine, this"}, {"end": "01:12:41", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "guy retired a master sergeant,"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "responded, \"Hello, my first name.\" And"}, {"end": "01:12:44", "start": "01:12:41", "text": "it's like, where are these guys getting"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "my name and information? I I don't quite"}, {"end": "01:12:48", "start": "01:12:44", "text": "like that."}, {"end": "01:12:50", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "Uh-huh. So you've had multiple people"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:48", "text": "try to hit you up, text messages, phone"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:50", "text": "calls, emails telling you"}, {"end": "01:12:58", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "just that investigator, but also for"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "some other program or other videos"}, {"end": "01:13:01", "start": "01:12:58", "text": "dating back to Randy Anderson"}, {"end": "01:13:02", "start": "01:12:59", "text": "videos, your videos."}, {"end": "01:13:04", "start": "01:13:01", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:02", "text": "Randy Anderson specifically is when it"}, {"end": "01:13:06", "start": "01:13:04", "text": "started just saying like, \"Hey, I would"}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "remove like all mention of of Crane from"}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:06", "text": "your videos.\" And this wasn't from like"}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "random people reaching out to me. This"}, {"end": "01:13:13", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "would be friends who have friends in"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "program saying, \"Hey, this person said"}, {"end": "01:13:16", "start": "01:13:13", "text": "you might want to remove this.\" I'll say"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "no."}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:16", "text": "Because of course mentioning names can"}, {"end": "01:13:21", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "be considered a national security risk,"}, {"end": "01:13:23", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "but I'm not divulging classified"}, {"end": "01:13:24", "start": "01:13:21", "text": "information. Everything I'm doing is"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:23", "text": "open source. So I I'm free to speak"}, {"end": "01:13:26", "start": "01:13:24", "text": "about that stuff."}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:26", "text": "The Men in Black Encounter that"}, {"end": "01:13:31", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "interests me the most is you're familiar"}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "with the story of Mark McCandish, right?"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:31", "text": "So in 2014, filmmaker James Allen did a"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "documentary on Mark McCandish. James"}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "Allen was diagnosed with a super"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "aggressive form of cancer and passed"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "just a couple months before the film's"}, {"end": "01:13:47", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "release. And you know, I don't know what"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "happened to Mr. Allen, but Mark"}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:47", "text": "McCandish ordered an autopsy report and"}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "it was shown that uh Mr. Allen's body"}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "had a lot of like heavy metal poisoning."}, {"end": "01:13:57", "start": "01:13:53", "text": "But the editor of the documentary, he"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:56", "text": "and I spoke a little bit and he said"}, {"end": "01:14:01", "start": "01:13:57", "text": "that whilst he and Allan were working on"}, {"end": "01:14:03", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "the documentary, every time they go into"}, {"end": "01:14:04", "start": "01:14:01", "text": "this Georgia bar to have a drink, cool"}, {"end": "01:14:07", "start": "01:14:03", "text": "down after working on the dock, there'd"}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:04", "text": "always be this Men in Black type guy"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:07", "text": "just sitting there staring at him. And I"}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "always thought that was really"}, {"end": "01:14:12", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "Yeah. But I've been told to watch out"}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:12", "text": "for the men in black."}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "Yeah, dude. Not just the men in black,"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "but like the men in blue, the men in"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "gray."}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "Yeah, men in black as in like in like in"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "like tech and intelligence protection"}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "from various agencies."}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "You know, the NSA might have their own."}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "The CIA might have their own. If the NSA"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "has their own, it's called Treat. You"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "heard of that? The Tactical"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "Reconnaissance Engineering Assessment"}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "Team."}, {"end": "01:14:37", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "Yeah, those are like that is the me."}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "Well, I I heard about it from your"}, {"end": "01:14:40", "start": "01:14:37", "text": "video."}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "Okay. Stubble bind. Yeah, it seems like"}, {"end": "01:14:44", "start": "01:14:40", "text": "that's the men in black,"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "Mr. Super Soldier out of Fort Wuka."}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:44", "text": "Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's crazy. I had"}, {"end": "01:14:49", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "um you know, we hear about the we hear"}, {"end": "01:14:51", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "about these guys and these runins,"}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:49", "text": "especially after sightings and stuff."}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:51", "text": "And even uh John Ramirez, who was here"}, {"end": "01:14:57", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "said that in the early 50s, a lot of"}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:55", "text": "those guys were just CIA because they"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:57", "text": "were just conducting they were doing"}, {"end": "01:15:01", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "actual tests out there with like"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "advanced craft, right? And some people"}, {"end": "01:15:05", "start": "01:15:01", "text": "reported seeing UFOs when it was just"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:03", "text": "like whatever advanced craft they were"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:05", "text": "working on at the time. So, they would"}, {"end": "01:15:09", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "just follow up and ask them like, \"What"}, {"end": "01:15:10", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "is it you think you saw?\" and just like"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:09", "text": "not tell them, hey, you didn't see"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:10", "text": "anything. So, there was that aspect, but"}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "then there's the whole, you know, you"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "didn't see anything. Here's a bag of"}, {"end": "01:15:21", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "money. Shut up. You know, yeah, even"}, {"end": "01:15:23", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "when I was at Seoul in 2024, I I didn't"}, {"end": "01:15:24", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "interface with this person directly, but"}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:23", "text": "a couple of my buddies were like, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "01:15:27", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "watch out. There's like a guy from the"}, {"end": "01:15:29", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "Rand Corporation poking around here"}, {"end": "01:15:31", "start": "01:15:27", "text": "asking people about stuff.\" And then all"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:29", "text": "the way back to like Leonard Stringfield"}, {"end": "01:15:34", "start": "01:15:31", "text": "would write in the 1970s that at muon"}, {"end": "01:15:36", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "conferences that you know he'd have"}, {"end": "01:15:38", "start": "01:15:34", "text": "intelligence guys walk up to him and say"}, {"end": "01:15:40", "start": "01:15:36", "text": "not to talk about a case or like say hey"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:38", "text": "you got to cover this case. I found with"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:40", "text": "witnesses that um I there's not much I"}, {"end": "01:15:46", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "can do when people come to me, right? I"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "I don't know what to do with that. I"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:46", "text": "don't some of the time I don't know why"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "people are coming to me. the the the"}, {"end": "01:15:54", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "most value uh some of the friendships I"}, {"end": "01:15:56", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "formed, the most credible testimonies I"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:54", "text": "have heard are from people I have spent"}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:56", "text": "months trying to track down. I"}, {"end": "01:16:02", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "love that. You mentioned this yesterday"}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "and it's something I want to touch on a"}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:02", "text": "little earlier, but I'm so glad you"}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "brought it up. You know, people out"}, {"end": "01:16:10", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "there think, oh, you know, this guy's"}, {"end": "01:16:12", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "full of this, this guy's full of that."}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:10", "text": "And I would agree. You know, don't pay"}, {"end": "01:16:16", "start": "01:16:12", "text": "attention to any of it and just kind of"}, {"end": "01:16:18", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "absorb it. It's all good. I've had"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:16", "text": "people reach out to me with like certain"}, {"end": "01:16:21", "start": "01:16:18", "text": "information. I'm just like I I try to"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "tell them I'm not that guy."}, {"end": "01:16:25", "start": "01:16:21", "text": "I'm happy to have a conversation and"}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "talk about the phenomenon, but I'm not"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:25", "text": "going to offer you protection. I'm not"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "going to like I don't I'm I'm just a guy"}, {"end": "01:16:35", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "here doing doing this podcast. Um"}, {"end": "01:16:39", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "however, you are of a different ilk. You"}, {"end": "01:16:42", "start": "01:16:35", "text": "are someone who will spend, you know,"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:39", "text": "months and months and months trying to"}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:42", "text": "find someone who you don't even know"}, {"end": "01:16:50", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "exists"}, {"end": "01:16:51", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "talking to them and then get them to to"}, {"end": "01:16:52", "start": "01:16:50", "text": "start talking. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:51", "text": "And then they don't even want to go"}, {"end": "01:16:57", "start": "01:16:52", "text": "public at that point. So to me,"}, {"end": "01:16:59", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "that's like incredibly high conviction."}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:57", "text": "the the the biggest I talk about this"}, {"end": "01:17:06", "start": "01:16:59", "text": "all the time in all my videos, but the"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "one that got away, maybe not, but is the"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:06", "text": "video I made on on Ed from Edwards 412"}, {"end": "01:17:12", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "Test Wing, the guy who served as the"}, {"end": "01:17:15", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "test director for an electronics warfare"}, {"end": "01:17:18", "start": "01:17:12", "text": "group that dealt with ARV."}, {"end": "01:17:20", "start": "01:17:15", "text": "I I every week I still try and reach out"}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:18", "text": "to this guy all the way back in the day"}, {"end": "01:17:27", "start": "01:17:20", "text": "when I first reached out, hey, can we"}, {"end": "01:17:30", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "talk? As soon as I say even allude to an"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:27", "text": "interest in in Edwards, blocked. Okay, I"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:30", "text": "reached out to him on a different email"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "blocked. Okay, a different email"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:32", "text": "blocked. Okay, call him from a different"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "number blocked. Text him from a"}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "different number blocked. Add him on"}, {"end": "01:17:41", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "Snapchat."}, {"end": "01:17:44", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "He sees my message on Snapchat. Blocked."}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:41", "text": "I went I went so badly to speak to him."}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:44", "text": "There's also a a specific general that"}, {"end": "01:17:50", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "dealt with programs that I've, you know,"}, {"end": "01:17:53", "start": "01:17:48", "text": "interfaced with a few times that he and"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:50", "text": "I had a call. He and I he told me to"}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:53", "text": "call him. I expressed interest in"}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "speaking about his general ship and you"}, {"end": "01:18:02", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "know a a specific thing program he ran a"}, {"end": "01:18:04", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "buffboard program not a legacy program"}, {"end": "01:18:06", "start": "01:18:02", "text": "didn't say my name. Okay we can talk."}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:04", "text": "Okay. After he sends me that text within"}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:06", "text": "an hour I call him blocked."}, {"end": "01:18:12", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "Other guys that that witness Ed work."}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "He said okay we can talk."}, {"end": "01:18:15", "start": "01:18:12", "text": "Yeah. Call when ready."}, {"end": "01:18:15", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "You called him and you were blocked."}, {"end": "01:18:17", "start": "01:18:15", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:15", "text": "So either he did more research or he was"}, {"end": "01:18:20", "start": "01:18:17", "text": "told hey stay away."}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:18", "text": "And the number wasn't my personal number"}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:20", "text": "though. This is like a No way he could"}, {"end": "01:18:26", "start": "01:18:21", "text": "have known it was you. Wild."}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "I know. And then even people Ed worked"}, {"end": "01:18:32", "start": "01:18:26", "text": "under at Edwards, commanders of the 98th"}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:30", "text": "Range Wing or Nevada Test and Training"}, {"end": "01:18:36", "start": "01:18:32", "text": "Range. I've tried to reach out to I've"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "tried to reach out to DOJ prosecutors."}, {"end": "01:18:41", "start": "01:18:36", "text": "So many people, very, very, very rarely"}, {"end": "01:18:43", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "with enough tenacity will you actually"}, {"end": "01:18:45", "start": "01:18:41", "text": "be able to speak to people. It's so"}, {"end": "01:18:47", "start": "01:18:43", "text": "rare. Most people will not speak."}, {"end": "01:18:49", "start": "01:18:45", "text": "And that's part of the answer to the"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:47", "text": "question of like why? How could you keep"}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:49", "text": "this a secret,"}, {"end": "01:18:53", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "you know? And when you really look at"}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:52", "text": "what's on the line for a lot of these"}, {"end": "01:18:57", "start": "01:18:53", "text": "people, it's, you know, obviously"}, {"end": "01:19:00", "start": "01:18:55", "text": "pension, it's obviously career, but it's"}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:18:57", "text": "also family. It's it's so much more. And"}, {"end": "01:19:04", "start": "01:19:00", "text": "it's really easy, you know, to to get"}, {"end": "01:19:06", "start": "01:19:03", "text": "someone to not talk about something."}, {"end": "01:19:10", "start": "01:19:04", "text": "And these programs are untouchable, too."}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:06", "text": "DOJ DOJ if somebody in the program a"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:10", "text": "higherup commits poor deeds whether this"}, {"end": "01:19:18", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "be improper use of contractors whether"}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "this be funneling funds that are already"}, {"end": "01:19:23", "start": "01:19:18", "text": "illegal whether this be bringing"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:20", "text": "uncleared persons to site they cannot be"}, {"end": "01:19:27", "start": "01:19:23", "text": "prosecuted"}, {"end": "01:19:30", "start": "01:19:24", "text": "h yeah that's a problem"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:27", "text": "untouchable and they you know I'm I'm a"}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:30", "text": "huge proponent in deep underground"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "military bases a lot of these times"}, {"end": "01:19:38", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "these people don't even operate on the"}, {"end": "01:19:40", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "same elevation as their traditional"}, {"end": "01:19:42", "start": "01:19:38", "text": "military counterparts. I mean, if you"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:40", "text": "got a dumb under Edwards and there's"}, {"end": "01:19:45", "start": "01:19:42", "text": "craft being stored down there, these"}, {"end": "01:19:47", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "guys aren't these guys from the 412th"}, {"end": "01:19:49", "start": "01:19:45", "text": "test wing operating on the craft under"}, {"end": "01:19:51", "start": "01:19:47", "text": "Edwards are not with their compatriots"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:49", "text": "in the 412 test wing in in the random"}, {"end": "01:19:54", "start": "01:19:51", "text": "air conditioned buildings on the"}, {"end": "01:19:55", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "surface. Same with Dougway. The guys at"}, {"end": "01:19:57", "start": "01:19:54", "text": "the West Desert Test Center, the"}, {"end": "01:19:59", "start": "01:19:55", "text": "industrial security personnel, they"}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:57", "text": "might only pop up to go test a craft in"}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:19:59", "text": "the Avery area that has an intern"}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "internal rail system possibly backed"}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:03", "text": "down. It's crazy. And so many"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "corporations throughout history that"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "that we would expect. Loheed Martin,"}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "TRW, the Rand Corporation, US Army Corps"}, {"end": "01:20:15", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "of Engineers, US Navy CBS have all such"}, {"end": "01:20:17", "start": "01:20:13", "text": "extensive uh background in deep"}, {"end": "01:20:19", "start": "01:20:15", "text": "underground military bases investigating"}, {"end": "01:20:22", "start": "01:20:17", "text": "cavities and so forth. I mean, even in"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:19", "text": "1964, the Army published a study of 12"}, {"end": "01:20:26", "start": "01:20:22", "text": "deep basing sites that they wanted to"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "build enormous caverns in. Of course,"}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:26", "text": "Inyo County that holds uh NAWC China"}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "Lake just north of Edwards is one of"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "those. And even uh Area 51 was built pro"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "probably the underground section is"}, {"end": "01:20:39", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "built in a huge boron mine that existed"}, {"end": "01:20:39", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "right before Area 51 was officially"}, {"end": "01:20:41", "start": "01:20:39", "text": "built."}, {"end": "01:20:43", "start": "01:20:39", "text": "Like there's a huge boron mine in those"}, {"end": "01:20:44", "start": "01:20:41", "text": "mountains. I I think it's just north. So"}, {"end": "01:20:48", "start": "01:20:43", "text": "maybe that's not where the infamous S4"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:44", "text": "is. But also S4 I I also believe is a"}, {"end": "01:20:52", "start": "01:20:48", "text": "real site even even it completely"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:50", "text": "independent from Bob Lazar"}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:52", "text": "by Papoose Lake. it that of course uh"}, {"end": "01:20:59", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "you know hopefully hopefully in the near"}, {"end": "01:21:01", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "future regarding Bob's story we have"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:59", "text": "some new some new documentary coming out"}, {"end": "01:21:05", "start": "01:21:01", "text": "on that that should be very exciting."}, {"end": "01:21:07", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "Yeah, Luigi Ventatelli's documentary."}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:05", "text": "Um, as for the Bob Lazar story,"}, {"end": "01:21:12", "start": "01:21:07", "text": "everybody I think is I think this is the"}, {"end": "01:21:14", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "most anticipated movie in the UFO"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:12", "text": "sphere, you know. Um, you have Age of"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:14", "text": "Disclosure that's that's, you know,"}, {"end": "01:21:21", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "coming out, which I've seen. Um, but in"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "terms of, you know, hype,"}, {"end": "01:21:26", "start": "01:21:21", "text": "you know, outside of the UFO world, I"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "think I mean, I think S4 the Bazar story"}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:26", "text": "is just like going to be one of the"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "biggest. Well, because we talked about"}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:30", "text": "we talked about the sports model as"}, {"end": "01:21:36", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "well. And you know, I I showed you the"}, {"end": "01:21:38", "start": "01:21:33", "text": "photo that a close friend of mine who"}, {"end": "01:21:40", "start": "01:21:36", "text": "worked alongside such programs, you"}, {"end": "01:21:42", "start": "01:21:38", "text": "know, high up in DoD and IC, you"}, {"end": "01:21:43", "start": "01:21:40", "text": "exchange challenge coins to celebrate"}, {"end": "01:21:45", "start": "01:21:42", "text": "working together on something. I have"}, {"end": "01:21:46", "start": "01:21:43", "text": "quite a collection of really cool coins."}, {"end": "01:21:48", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "One of them, it's not like an official"}, {"end": "01:21:50", "start": "01:21:46", "text": "agency coin. It's something made by, you"}, {"end": "01:21:52", "start": "01:21:48", "text": "know, a pretty high up person, a"}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:50", "text": "personal coin, but it has the"}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:52", "text": "sports model."}, {"end": "01:21:55", "start": "01:21:53", "text": "Sports model on it."}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:53", "text": "And what else does it say on it?"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:55", "text": "It says uh what did it say? exot like"}, {"end": "01:22:01", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "alien exotic technology or exploitation"}, {"end": "01:22:03", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "exploitation. Exploitation is always the"}, {"end": "01:22:05", "start": "01:22:01", "text": "word used and that's why I've started to"}, {"end": "01:22:07", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "kind of use that term material"}, {"end": "01:22:09", "start": "01:22:05", "text": "exploitation."}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:07", "text": "Um can't pull that up, can you?"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:09", "text": "No."}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "But I did I did show you that."}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "I did see it. I mean it's exactly what"}, {"end": "01:22:18", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "we're describing. It's the sports model"}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "with some writing"}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:18", "text": "with the small little squares on top."}, {"end": "01:22:21", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:21", "text": "It's the sports model black background"}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "and"}, {"end": "01:22:26", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "the little square windows. Yeah. Billy"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "Myerscraft, if you will."}, {"end": "01:22:31", "start": "01:22:26", "text": "I know. So, yeah, the Gosh, I I I just"}, {"end": "01:22:32", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "can't wait to see that video. I know you"}, {"end": "01:22:34", "start": "01:22:31", "text": "and I have talked about it so much. I've"}, {"end": "01:22:37", "start": "01:22:32", "text": "talked about how Bob Lazar I I tend to"}, {"end": "01:22:38", "start": "01:22:34", "text": "to stay away from his story because I'm"}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:37", "text": "so biased towards Bob. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:22:43", "start": "01:22:38", "text": "It's it I can't really like report on it"}, {"end": "01:22:45", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "or do investigations unbiased because I"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:43", "text": "want to favor Bob so much because I was"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:45", "text": "so invested in his story as a young man."}, {"end": "01:22:50", "start": "01:22:48", "text": "Same."}, {"end": "01:22:51", "start": "01:22:48", "text": "But at least from what you and Jesse"}, {"end": "01:22:53", "start": "01:22:50", "text": "have told me from the work of Luigi,"}, {"end": "01:22:55", "start": "01:22:51", "text": "there should be a lot more interesting"}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:53", "text": "data coming out. There definitely is."}, {"end": "01:22:57", "start": "01:22:55", "text": "There definitely same story."}, {"end": "01:22:59", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "No, there definitely No, no, no. It's"}, {"end": "01:23:01", "start": "01:22:57", "text": "Well, it's more in depth and it's it's"}, {"end": "01:23:03", "start": "01:22:59", "text": "just um there's a lot of parts to that"}, {"end": "01:23:05", "start": "01:23:01", "text": "story that people have misconstrued"}, {"end": "01:23:08", "start": "01:23:03", "text": "and there's a lot of parts that have"}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:05", "text": "just been sort of left out um because to"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:08", "text": "get into the full Bob Lazar story is you"}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:13", "text": "can't just I mean it's so it's so many"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "layers as you know looking into this"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "type of stuff. it is layered and"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "complicated and messy. And so to really"}, {"end": "01:23:28", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "put that on a timeline for people to"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "ingest in a way that's just sort of like"}, {"end": "01:23:34", "start": "01:23:28", "text": "friendly for everyone is is a task. You"}, {"end": "01:23:35", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "know, it's a major major task. And then"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:34", "text": "adding on to that all the CGI that"}, {"end": "01:23:39", "start": "01:23:35", "text": "they've been doing to help tell that"}, {"end": "01:23:42", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "story and to really put you in"}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:39", "text": "S4 and in one of those hangers. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:23:46", "start": "01:23:42", "text": "it's an incredible amount of work. And"}, {"end": "01:23:49", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "so obviously there's been delays with"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:46", "text": "that movie, but uh I just I don't care."}, {"end": "01:23:51", "start": "01:23:49", "text": "I think it's one of those things that no"}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "matter when it comes out, even if it"}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:51", "text": "comes out 10 years from now, it'll be"}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "groundbreaking."}, {"end": "01:23:59", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "Have you talked to any other witnesses"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "that have like been to S4?"}, {"end": "01:24:03", "start": "01:23:59", "text": "Not personally, no. Uh other I've just"}, {"end": "01:24:05", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "heard things like I've heard Oscar"}, {"end": "01:24:06", "start": "01:24:03", "text": "Wolf's account, well through Danny"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:05", "text": "Shehan"}, {"end": "01:24:09", "start": "01:24:06", "text": "of him, you know, being taken to S4"}, {"end": "01:24:11", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "underground,"}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:09", "text": "seeing floating craft there. And then"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:11", "text": "obviously, you know, you hear about Dan"}, {"end": "01:24:19", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "Burish Crane. Yeah. Um in his,"}, {"end": "01:24:21", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "you know, sort of uh"}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:19", "text": "thing that went on down there too. And"}, {"end": "01:24:28", "start": "01:24:21", "text": "so it it you know, it's it's a muddy"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:24", "text": "area, but I'm I've never been higher"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:28", "text": "conviction on any story."}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:24:35", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "Um Bob"}, {"end": "01:24:38", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "for me"}, {"end": "01:24:40", "start": "01:24:35", "text": "is telling the truth. I've, you know,"}, {"end": "01:24:43", "start": "01:24:38", "text": "I've spoken to him as you know and I've"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:40", "text": "uh I mean I might know some information"}, {"end": "01:24:46", "start": "01:24:43", "text": "that people will eventually find out as"}, {"end": "01:24:47", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "well through the documentary and maybe"}, {"end": "01:24:49", "start": "01:24:46", "text": "more information that won't be the"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:47", "text": "documentary. Who knows?"}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:49", "text": "Didn't Dan Berish say he never like he"}, {"end": "01:24:54", "start": "01:24:52", "text": "encountered the name Bob Lazar whilst he"}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "was at S4."}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:54", "text": "No, he says that he might have saw Oh,"}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "he heard the name Lazar."}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:24:59", "text": "Never uh and and he he said specifically"}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "not laser. He's like it was Lazar. He"}, {"end": "01:25:09", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "heard Lazar. He never heard Bob. And Dan"}, {"end": "01:25:13", "start": "01:25:07", "text": "also said that he may have seen him"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:09", "text": "barefoot at one point. Um"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:13", "text": "Bob is adamant that he's never met Dan"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "Burrish. And so he's like, I don't know"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:18", "text": "why I would be barefoot. Bob's like that"}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "makes no sense to me. So, but even Dan"}, {"end": "01:25:25", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "caveats that by saying it might not have"}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "been him, but it might have looked like"}, {"end": "01:25:28", "start": "01:25:25", "text": "him. So,"}, {"end": "01:25:30", "start": "01:25:26", "text": "cuz I know it's uh the Barish story."}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:28", "text": "It's Brian Jackson"}, {"end": "01:25:33", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "who's done great work on the case, and I"}, {"end": "01:25:35", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "know it's the Night Shift channel that"}, {"end": "01:25:37", "start": "01:25:33", "text": "loves the story. So, it's cool to see"}, {"end": "01:25:39", "start": "01:25:35", "text": "people starting to really uh kind of"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:37", "text": "give that story the same attention as as"}, {"end": "01:25:43", "start": "01:25:39", "text": "some of the other infamous testimonies"}, {"end": "01:25:44", "start": "01:25:40", "text": "as as Bob. Yeah. Of course, with Dan"}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:43", "text": "Bish, his claims of the J-Rod are not"}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:44", "text": "isolated. There's a former proposed"}, {"end": "01:25:51", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "Lockheed employee called Bill Uouse who"}, {"end": "01:25:53", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "not only said that um you know, the"}, {"end": "01:25:55", "start": "01:25:51", "text": "J-Rod was taken from the Kingman crash,"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:53", "text": "but also the Kingman craft or its"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:55", "text": "platform was used as a flight sim for"}, {"end": "01:25:59", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "ARVs."}, {"end": "01:26:01", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "That's interesting. And of course we now"}, {"end": "01:26:03", "start": "01:25:59", "text": "know that the Kingman crash was what was"}, {"end": "01:26:07", "start": "01:26:01", "text": "supposed to be handed over during the um"}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:03", "text": "Loheed Martin 2009 to 2012 devestment to"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:07", "text": "uh you know various agencies. But the by"}, {"end": "01:26:13", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "all intents and purposes the CIA"}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "department directorate of science and"}, {"end": "01:26:17", "start": "01:26:13", "text": "technology and involvement of Glenn"}, {"end": "01:26:19", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "Gaffne put the kibos on that which would"}, {"end": "01:26:21", "start": "01:26:17", "text": "make sense because the CIA DS&T director"}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:19", "text": "of science and technology has the grubby"}, {"end": "01:26:25", "start": "01:26:21", "text": "paws on everything. Even with Nuro like"}, {"end": "01:26:27", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "we talked about when Nuro was created as"}, {"end": "01:26:32", "start": "01:26:25", "text": "soon as Nuro was created because Nur so"}, {"end": "01:26:33", "start": "01:26:27", "text": "in 1969 uh Nuro was formed the NRO was"}, {"end": "01:26:35", "start": "01:26:32", "text": "to coordinate intelligence between the"}, {"end": "01:26:37", "start": "01:26:33", "text": "CIA and Air Force and Nuro was to"}, {"end": "01:26:39", "start": "01:26:35", "text": "coordinate intelligence between the Navy"}, {"end": "01:26:42", "start": "01:26:37", "text": "and Air Force. As soon as Nuro was"}, {"end": "01:26:44", "start": "01:26:39", "text": "created the N the CIA DS&T said, \"Nope,"}, {"end": "01:26:46", "start": "01:26:42", "text": "this is ours.\" And it wasn't until 1972"}, {"end": "01:26:48", "start": "01:26:44", "text": "that Secretary of the Navy John Warner"}, {"end": "01:26:50", "start": "01:26:46", "text": "finally got some control. This was long"}, {"end": "01:26:53", "start": "01:26:48", "text": "after the the possible retrieval of that"}, {"end": "01:26:54", "start": "01:26:50", "text": "lenticular craft. um that the Great"}, {"end": "01:26:57", "start": "01:26:53", "text": "Lakes Naval Station guy gave testimony"}, {"end": "01:26:59", "start": "01:26:54", "text": "to in 1972. So the CIA DSD, they also"}, {"end": "01:27:01", "start": "01:26:57", "text": "created the Office of Global Access, the"}, {"end": "01:27:03", "start": "01:26:59", "text": "OGA, that got brilliant guys like Chris"}, {"end": "01:27:04", "start": "01:27:01", "text": "Sharp have said, \"Hey, this is the this"}, {"end": "01:27:07", "start": "01:27:03", "text": "is the"}, {"end": "01:27:10", "start": "01:27:04", "text": "organization alongside JOC or largely"}, {"end": "01:27:10", "start": "01:27:07", "text": "SOCOM gets crash retrievals from all"}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:10", "text": "around the world.\""}, {"end": "01:27:14", "start": "01:27:10", "text": "Yeah, that's interesting. And also, I"}, {"end": "01:27:16", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "mean, uh going back to the Kingman"}, {"end": "01:27:19", "start": "01:27:14", "text": "crash, I I do also believe that Dan Bur"}, {"end": "01:27:20", "start": "01:27:16", "text": "said that that was intended initially to"}, {"end": "01:27:22", "start": "01:27:19", "text": "be a donation."}, {"end": "01:27:25", "start": "01:27:20", "text": "Really? Yeah, I think in one of his"}, {"end": "01:27:26", "start": "01:27:22", "text": "interviews he said that J-Rod had"}, {"end": "01:27:29", "start": "01:27:25", "text": "communicated to him that there was an"}, {"end": "01:27:32", "start": "01:27:26", "text": "agreement prior to Kingman where it"}, {"end": "01:27:35", "start": "01:27:29", "text": "would have come down and they were going"}, {"end": "01:27:36", "start": "01:27:32", "text": "to hand over like biologics like J-Rod"}, {"end": "01:27:38", "start": "01:27:35", "text": "would would have been handed over as a"}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:36", "text": "one-way trade. Uh but then something"}, {"end": "01:27:41", "start": "01:27:38", "text": "happened and the craft instead of"}, {"end": "01:27:44", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "landing crash landed,"}, {"end": "01:27:46", "start": "01:27:41", "text": "right? because that that's um there's a"}, {"end": "01:27:49", "start": "01:27:44", "text": "kind of long lost research Harry Drew 7"}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:46", "text": "days in May which is a huge Kingman"}, {"end": "01:27:52", "start": "01:27:49", "text": "documentary and film that's just kind of"}, {"end": "01:27:53", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "been lost to time that talks about"}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:52", "text": "multiple crashes"}, {"end": "01:27:58", "start": "01:27:53", "text": "possible radar interference you know we"}, {"end": "01:27:59", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "hear that with Roswell Kingman and Aztec"}, {"end": "01:28:01", "start": "01:27:58", "text": "yeah"}, {"end": "01:28:03", "start": "01:27:59", "text": "that some sort of high-owered microwave"}, {"end": "01:28:04", "start": "01:28:01", "text": "radar somehow interfered with craft"}, {"end": "01:28:06", "start": "01:28:03", "text": "propulsion"}, {"end": "01:28:07", "start": "01:28:04", "text": "yeah either inadvertently or directly on"}, {"end": "01:28:08", "start": "01:28:06", "text": "purpose"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:07", "text": "maybe it directly did on purpose because"}, {"end": "01:28:11", "start": "01:28:08", "text": "I know we talked about this but"}, {"end": "01:28:14", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "something I put a lot of credence in is"}, {"end": "01:28:17", "start": "01:28:11", "text": "that The Ronald Reagan's 1983 strategic"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:14", "text": "defension initi initiative to defend the"}, {"end": "01:28:22", "start": "01:28:17", "text": "US from Soviet ICBMs also had backdoor"}, {"end": "01:28:26", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "programs maybe X-ray maybe microwave"}, {"end": "01:28:28", "start": "01:28:22", "text": "lasers to uh shoot down UFOs with their"}, {"end": "01:28:29", "start": "01:28:26", "text": "particle be particle beam weapons which"}, {"end": "01:28:30", "start": "01:28:28", "text": "sounds like something from Star Wars but"}, {"end": "01:28:32", "start": "01:28:29", "text": "that was actually employed"}, {"end": "01:28:33", "start": "01:28:30", "text": "then that was the name that was the"}, {"end": "01:28:35", "start": "01:28:32", "text": "unofficial name of the program was the"}, {"end": "01:28:37", "start": "01:28:33", "text": "Star Wars initiative. Uh, and if you"}, {"end": "01:28:39", "start": "01:28:35", "text": "look at Bob Lazar, one of the three"}, {"end": "01:28:43", "start": "01:28:37", "text": "programs that he was read into was"}, {"end": "01:28:46", "start": "01:28:39", "text": "Sidekick. And Sidekick was the use of, I"}, {"end": "01:28:49", "start": "01:28:43", "text": "believe, using gravity as a lens to"}, {"end": "01:28:53", "start": "01:28:46", "text": "somehow focus nutrino beams or whatever"}, {"end": "01:28:54", "start": "01:28:49", "text": "it was, um, as a directed energy weapon."}, {"end": "01:28:56", "start": "01:28:53", "text": "You know, the contractor that was"}, {"end": "01:28:59", "start": "01:28:54", "text": "involved with SDI initially, more than"}, {"end": "01:29:01", "start": "01:28:56", "text": "any other contractor combined, SIC. M"}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:28:59", "text": "that's why I I think that sic"}, {"end": "01:29:07", "start": "01:29:01", "text": "specifically is the tip of the spear the"}, {"end": "01:29:08", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "magnum opus original legacy program"}, {"end": "01:29:12", "start": "01:29:07", "text": "coordinator"}, {"end": "01:29:14", "start": "01:29:08", "text": "involved in SDI involved in all sorts of"}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:12", "text": "schemes involved with INM involved with"}, {"end": "01:29:18", "start": "01:29:14", "text": "all sorts of intelligence guys the"}, {"end": "01:29:20", "start": "01:29:16", "text": "reorganization of SAP their former"}, {"end": "01:29:22", "start": "01:29:18", "text": "program members like Donald Kerr uh"}, {"end": "01:29:24", "start": "01:29:20", "text": "Donald Kerr is an interesting guy by the"}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "way I think he's passed by now but all"}, {"end": "01:29:29", "start": "01:29:24", "text": "sorts of individuals sic has their"}, {"end": "01:29:31", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "grubby hands on it with um with SDI I"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:29", "text": "one of the things that um the TR3B main"}, {"end": "01:29:36", "start": "01:29:31", "text": "witness you master Sergeant Edgar Fuche"}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "spoke about was the defense advanced"}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "research center and I think this was a"}, {"end": "01:29:42", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "facility around Groom Lake. He might"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "have got it confused with S4"}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:42", "text": "but he said that this was an underground"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "facility that held craft and was funded"}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "through Star Wars monies. And one of the"}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "interesting things he spoke one of the"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "interesting things about the defense"}, {"end": "01:29:56", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "advanced research center Darus is this"}, {"end": "01:29:59", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "is not nowhere to be seen. There's old"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:56", "text": "ARPA um you know precursor to DARPA"}, {"end": "01:30:04", "start": "01:29:59", "text": "documents that talk about a proposed DAR"}, {"end": "01:30:06", "start": "01:30:02", "text": "under Army ballistic missile command I"}, {"end": "01:30:08", "start": "01:30:04", "text": "think it was under Warner von Braun back"}, {"end": "01:30:09", "start": "01:30:06", "text": "in the the7s. So that might even be a"}, {"end": "01:30:13", "start": "01:30:08", "text": "very tangible thing we can find out more"}, {"end": "01:30:14", "start": "01:30:09", "text": "on. Dude, this is so crazy. Like hearing"}, {"end": "01:30:16", "start": "01:30:13", "text": "you just go off about all this stuff is"}, {"end": "01:30:19", "start": "01:30:14", "text": "is probably blowing a lot of minds right"}, {"end": "01:30:21", "start": "01:30:16", "text": "now but specifically mine. Um I'm having"}, {"end": "01:30:22", "start": "01:30:19", "text": "I'm just like trying to follow all these"}, {"end": "01:30:25", "start": "01:30:21", "text": "things and it's so extensive."}, {"end": "01:30:28", "start": "01:30:22", "text": "It is. And the only thing that I can"}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:25", "text": "really take away from all this is that"}, {"end": "01:30:35", "start": "01:30:28", "text": "man, if this many entities have been"}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:31", "text": "involved with everything,"}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:35", "text": "how are they keeping this under wraps?"}, {"end": "01:30:41", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "Ah, that you know, well, that's"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "something I've I've tried to explore"}, {"end": "01:30:45", "start": "01:30:41", "text": "too, specifically with somebody who"}, {"end": "01:30:47", "start": "01:30:43", "text": "worked in programs. From what I"}, {"end": "01:30:49", "start": "01:30:45", "text": "understand, you trade in the stars and"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:47", "text": "stripes for the pinstripe suit. Inman"}, {"end": "01:30:53", "start": "01:30:49", "text": "goes from Navy to working in an SIC on"}, {"end": "01:30:55", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "the same doing the same things with"}, {"end": "01:30:56", "start": "01:30:53", "text": "programs"}, {"end": "01:30:58", "start": "01:30:55", "text": "maybe higher."}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:56", "text": "And now I something I've I've really"}, {"end": "01:31:03", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "explored and and and heard about the"}, {"end": "01:31:07", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "programs is the personnel like the bigot"}, {"end": "01:31:09", "start": "01:31:03", "text": "the reading list is very small. So a"}, {"end": "01:31:11", "start": "01:31:07", "text": "select group of small group of"}, {"end": "01:31:13", "start": "01:31:09", "text": "scientists sometimes perform tasks below"}, {"end": "01:31:16", "start": "01:31:11", "text": "them. So you might have somebody like a"}, {"end": "01:31:18", "start": "01:31:13", "text": "particle physicist trying to work on how"}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:16", "text": "the skin of a craft can bend light"}, {"end": "01:31:21", "start": "01:31:18", "text": "around it, but they'll also be doing"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:20", "text": "accounting."}, {"end": "01:31:24", "start": "01:31:21", "text": "So you don't have to bring So you can"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "bring as little people on there as"}, {"end": "01:31:28", "start": "01:31:24", "text": "possible. So you can have scientists and"}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:26", "text": "industrial security personnel on there"}, {"end": "01:31:30", "start": "01:31:28", "text": "and nobody else."}, {"end": "01:31:31", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "Bob was saying too like there are no"}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:30", "text": "janitors at S4."}, {"end": "01:31:34", "start": "01:31:31", "text": "Yeah. A scientist might have to sweep"}, {"end": "01:31:36", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "the floor or actually that would be"}, {"end": "01:31:37", "start": "01:31:34", "text": "relegated to like an industrial security"}, {"end": "01:31:39", "start": "01:31:36", "text": "guy."}, {"end": "01:31:41", "start": "01:31:37", "text": "Sure. But like there's there's nominal"}, {"end": "01:31:43", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "tasks done by brilliant people to keep"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:41", "text": "these lists small"}, {"end": "01:31:47", "start": "01:31:43", "text": "to read on as few people as you can. And"}, {"end": "01:31:49", "start": "01:31:45", "text": "then the the locked engineer that"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:47", "text": "actually has read on access to some of"}, {"end": "01:31:53", "start": "01:31:49", "text": "this stuff is then swapped over to"}, {"end": "01:31:55", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "Rathon and so forth or Northrup Grumman."}, {"end": "01:31:58", "start": "01:31:53", "text": "All of these corporations have the"}, {"end": "01:32:01", "start": "01:31:55", "text": "weirdest little coexisting LLC's between"}, {"end": "01:32:03", "start": "01:31:58", "text": "each other like uh Triad National"}, {"end": "01:32:04", "start": "01:32:01", "text": "Security that runs so many FFRDC's"}, {"end": "01:32:06", "start": "01:32:03", "text": "fedally funded research and development"}, {"end": "01:32:09", "start": "01:32:04", "text": "centers for the DOE which is primarily"}, {"end": "01:32:12", "start": "01:32:06", "text": "owned by Battel and two universities."}, {"end": "01:32:16", "start": "01:32:09", "text": "Even SIC formed such things with uh"}, {"end": "01:32:17", "start": "01:32:12", "text": "EGNG. EGNG of course is Wilson Davis"}, {"end": "01:32:18", "start": "01:32:16", "text": "notes and Bob Lazar's employer. They"}, {"end": "01:32:19", "start": "01:32:17", "text": "would form"}, {"end": "01:32:21", "start": "01:32:18", "text": "they built Area 51."}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:19", "text": "Yeah. they would form shell companies to"}, {"end": "01:32:28", "start": "01:32:21", "text": "work for the DOE. And so my guess with"}, {"end": "01:32:30", "start": "01:32:26", "text": "that at least is some of the times those"}, {"end": "01:32:32", "start": "01:32:28", "text": "sorts of com partnerships are used to"}, {"end": "01:32:33", "start": "01:32:30", "text": "funnel personnel and money through even"}, {"end": "01:32:36", "start": "01:32:32", "text": "a momentum with what Matthew Brown said"}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:33", "text": "with Pax River. They have so many little"}, {"end": "01:32:40", "start": "01:32:36", "text": "LLC's and businesses tied with SIC"}, {"end": "01:32:42", "start": "01:32:38", "text": "themselves and"}, {"end": "01:32:44", "start": "01:32:40", "text": "it's just wrapped up in bureaucracy,"}, {"end": "01:32:45", "start": "01:32:42", "text": "legalities, NDAs and none of them are"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:44", "text": "actually"}, {"end": "01:32:50", "start": "01:32:45", "text": "I mean very few probably 95% of them"}, {"end": "01:32:54", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "aren't told what exactly it is. It's"}, {"end": "01:32:57", "start": "01:32:50", "text": "just it's it's proprietary advanced tech"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:54", "text": "which exists regardless of NHI. I think"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:57", "text": "the keepers of the keys reside in in"}, {"end": "01:33:04", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "like I I can't remember who said this"}, {"end": "01:33:06", "start": "01:33:02", "text": "but DoD or I mean sorry corporate middle"}, {"end": "01:33:09", "start": "01:33:04", "text": "management. That's why one of my big"}, {"end": "01:33:10", "start": "01:33:06", "text": "things is talking about FFRDC's. They"}, {"end": "01:33:12", "start": "01:33:09", "text": "Yeah. They the fedally funded research"}, {"end": "01:33:14", "start": "01:33:10", "text": "and development center serves as the"}, {"end": "01:33:16", "start": "01:33:12", "text": "research and development and testing"}, {"end": "01:33:18", "start": "01:33:14", "text": "experts. So you can still keep reign"}, {"end": "01:33:19", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "over knowledge"}, {"end": "01:33:21", "start": "01:33:18", "text": "as the government."}, {"end": "01:33:22", "start": "01:33:19", "text": "Yes. And then that knowledge is divied"}, {"end": "01:33:26", "start": "01:33:21", "text": "out as needed to the contractor."}, {"end": "01:33:29", "start": "01:33:22", "text": "Yeah. So you might have a SAP specialist"}, {"end": "01:33:31", "start": "01:33:26", "text": "for Northrup Grman and Lockheed who are"}, {"end": "01:33:33", "start": "01:33:29", "text": "aware of the programs, but the engineer"}, {"end": "01:33:36", "start": "01:33:31", "text": "is probably just given a piece of metal."}, {"end": "01:33:38", "start": "01:33:33", "text": "And that's like I mean that's not unlike"}, {"end": "01:33:40", "start": "01:33:36", "text": "the three-letter agencies. I mean"}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:38", "text": "they've been doing that for a long time"}, {"end": "01:33:45", "start": "01:33:40", "text": "with with technology. Like for instance"}, {"end": "01:33:47", "start": "01:33:42", "text": "the CIA will develop something uh low"}, {"end": "01:33:49", "start": "01:33:45", "text": "lithium battery let's say and then"}, {"end": "01:33:51", "start": "01:33:47", "text": "release it to the public or you know"}, {"end": "01:33:52", "start": "01:33:49", "text": "give it to a corporation. the"}, {"end": "01:33:54", "start": "01:33:51", "text": "corporation will then go to mass"}, {"end": "01:33:55", "start": "01:33:52", "text": "manufacturing which drives down the"}, {"end": "01:33:57", "start": "01:33:54", "text": "price which allows the CIA to buy it"}, {"end": "01:33:59", "start": "01:33:55", "text": "back. And so like there's a lot of those"}, {"end": "01:34:01", "start": "01:33:57", "text": "things happening too where it's just all"}, {"end": "01:34:03", "start": "01:33:59", "text": "businessoriented where like the"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:34:01", "text": "government doesn't want to spend"}, {"end": "01:34:05", "start": "01:34:03", "text": "trillions of dollars developing"}, {"end": "01:34:07", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "something because you have to account"}, {"end": "01:34:09", "start": "01:34:05", "text": "for that money. So you give willingly"}, {"end": "01:34:11", "start": "01:34:07", "text": "that information away to these"}, {"end": "01:34:13", "start": "01:34:09", "text": "corporations. They go into manufacturing"}, {"end": "01:34:13", "start": "01:34:11", "text": "which drives down the price and you can"}, {"end": "01:34:16", "start": "01:34:13", "text": "buy it back."}, {"end": "01:34:17", "start": "01:34:13", "text": "That's what Corso talked about. Huh. He"}, {"end": "01:34:20", "start": "01:34:16", "text": "talked specifically about the Sperry"}, {"end": "01:34:21", "start": "01:34:17", "text": "Rand Corporation, Bell Labs. Um,"}, {"end": "01:34:22", "start": "01:34:20", "text": "interesting about the Sperry Rand"}, {"end": "01:34:25", "start": "01:34:21", "text": "Corporation when that when that went"}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:22", "text": "defunct in '86, it gave all of its"}, {"end": "01:34:30", "start": "01:34:25", "text": "assets away to Rathon, Locky Martin,"}, {"end": "01:34:32", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "Norther Grumman, I think MITER as well."}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:30", "text": "So, you know, he Corso would talk in his"}, {"end": "01:34:36", "start": "01:34:32", "text": "manuscript, not day after Roswell, but"}, {"end": "01:34:38", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "his manuscript that wasn't co-written."}, {"end": "01:34:40", "start": "01:34:36", "text": "He would talk that the um technology"}, {"end": "01:34:42", "start": "01:34:38", "text": "derived or bolstered from non-human"}, {"end": "01:34:44", "start": "01:34:40", "text": "craft would be used to strengthen"}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:42", "text": "military might and then given to"}, {"end": "01:34:49", "start": "01:34:44", "text": "American industry if necessary,"}, {"end": "01:34:50", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "which is very disturbing to think about."}, {"end": "01:34:51", "start": "01:34:49", "text": "Definitely"}, {"end": "01:34:54", "start": "01:34:50", "text": "just the amount of what's interesting to"}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:51", "text": "me is to think about the tip of the"}, {"end": "01:34:59", "start": "01:34:54", "text": "pyramid. What kind of individuals might"}, {"end": "01:35:01", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "have a broad knowledge of of UFO USAPs"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:34:59", "text": "operating between operating alongside"}, {"end": "01:35:06", "start": "01:35:01", "text": "Air Force, Navy, and stuff? Because I"}, {"end": "01:35:09", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "imagine the amount of individuals that"}, {"end": "01:35:11", "start": "01:35:06", "text": "have knowledge to multiple UFO use apps"}, {"end": "01:35:13", "start": "01:35:09", "text": "are probably below 30."}, {"end": "01:35:16", "start": "01:35:11", "text": "Yeah, that was the estimate that I think"}, {"end": "01:35:17", "start": "01:35:13", "text": "James Fox gave as well. He heard 22."}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "22 specifically."}, {"end": "01:35:22", "start": "01:35:17", "text": "22. And then I think Bob as well back in"}, {"end": "01:35:24", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "the day was like 20. Yeah. So, and then"}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:22", "text": "you look at Majestic 12 obviously is 12."}, {"end": "01:35:28", "start": "01:35:24", "text": "And so the numbers been small,"}, {"end": "01:35:29", "start": "01:35:27", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:35:31", "start": "01:35:28", "text": "The people who get the full picture."}, {"end": "01:35:33", "start": "01:35:29", "text": "Full picture. Yeah. And not even"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:31", "text": "presidents or elected officials are"}, {"end": "01:35:36", "start": "01:35:33", "text": "briefed because they're temporary"}, {"end": "01:35:38", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "employees. The generals, the Kais who"}, {"end": "01:35:39", "start": "01:35:36", "text": "wear the pinstripe suits, they're"}, {"end": "01:35:40", "start": "01:35:38", "text": "forever. They get to control the"}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:39", "text": "programs as long as they want and they"}, {"end": "01:35:43", "start": "01:35:40", "text": "get to restrict access as needed. I"}, {"end": "01:35:45", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "mean,"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:43", "text": "part of the problem might be the the"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:45", "text": "executive branch. There's discussion of"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "um Eisenhower and presidential emergency"}, {"end": "01:35:53", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "action documents which created carved"}, {"end": "01:35:55", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "out programs to to be skirted outside of"}, {"end": "01:35:57", "start": "01:35:53", "text": "congressional oversight. I know"}, {"end": "01:35:58", "start": "01:35:55", "text": "Eisenhower gave the famous beware the"}, {"end": "01:36:01", "start": "01:35:57", "text": "military-industrial complex speech. he"}, {"end": "01:36:03", "start": "01:35:58", "text": "might have created what he despised upon"}, {"end": "01:36:05", "start": "01:36:01", "text": "the resignation of his presidency. So we"}, {"end": "01:36:07", "start": "01:36:03", "text": "might have him and forest I mean him and"}, {"end": "01:36:08", "start": "01:36:05", "text": "Truman to think for all this cuz Truman"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:07", "text": "of course if if you believe in the"}, {"end": "01:36:12", "start": "01:36:08", "text": "majestic documents which of course"}, {"end": "01:36:14", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "Truman did meet with Forestall the 22nd"}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:12", "text": "of September for an unknown meeting on"}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:14", "text": "in Truman's archive that's when the"}, {"end": "01:36:20", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "Majestic 12 was set up."}, {"end": "01:36:21", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "I got a question for you."}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:20", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:36:27", "start": "01:36:21", "text": "Bit of a multiple choice question."}, {"end": "01:36:30", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "Um let's say you were given an option."}, {"end": "01:36:33", "start": "01:36:27", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:30", "text": "You can be"}, {"end": "01:36:41", "start": "01:36:33", "text": "you can be told by someone a very high"}, {"end": "01:36:44", "start": "01:36:37", "text": "you know level individual with certainty"}, {"end": "01:36:47", "start": "01:36:41", "text": "that"}, {"end": "01:36:53", "start": "01:36:44", "text": "these crafts exist, aliens exist"}, {"end": "01:36:55", "start": "01:36:47", "text": "and they will go on the record with you"}, {"end": "01:36:59", "start": "01:36:53", "text": "or you can be shown but you can't tell"}, {"end": "01:37:01", "start": "01:36:55", "text": "anyone. B A's already happened."}, {"end": "01:37:03", "start": "01:36:59", "text": "You have guys like David"}, {"end": "01:37:05", "start": "01:37:01", "text": "You didn't think for one second you've"}, {"end": "01:37:06", "start": "01:37:03", "text": "given this answer some thought"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:05", "text": "because highle people"}, {"end": "01:37:09", "start": "01:37:06", "text": "that's awesome"}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "very credible people have come forward"}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:09", "text": "and said hey these programs exist."}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:11", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:11", "text": "You still got all sorts of people saying"}, {"end": "01:37:17", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "that."}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "But I'm talking to three star general"}, {"end": "01:37:20", "start": "01:37:17", "text": "who will go on a podcast with you and be"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "like I'm risking my whole entire life."}, {"end": "01:37:23", "start": "01:37:20", "text": "I'm risking everything. Here are the"}, {"end": "01:37:25", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "documents that show you all the proof"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:23", "text": "you need on paper. Oh, then I might go"}, {"end": "01:37:27", "start": "01:37:25", "text": "that route"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:26", "text": "versus"}, {"end": "01:37:30", "start": "01:37:27", "text": "just me showing it because if he has"}, {"end": "01:37:33", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "you want you want to go inside one."}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:30", "text": "Absolutely. But but option A might lead"}, {"end": "01:37:35", "start": "01:37:33", "text": "to option B."}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "It won't ever. I'm telling you."}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:35", "text": "So I won't be able to see one with my"}, {"end": "01:37:38", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "own."}, {"end": "01:37:41", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "Never."}, {"end": "01:37:47", "start": "01:37:38", "text": "Never. Guaranteed never. You will never"}, {"end": "01:37:50", "start": "01:37:41", "text": "see a UFO in person or but we get this"}, {"end": "01:37:52", "start": "01:37:47", "text": "lowercase D disclosure on paper. We have"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:50", "text": "the paper trail. We have all the things"}, {"end": "01:37:56", "start": "01:37:52", "text": "that proves that this happened at least,"}, {"end": "01:37:57", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "you know, that we have the craft"}, {"end": "01:38:00", "start": "01:37:56", "text": "somewhere."}, {"end": "01:38:00", "start": "01:37:57", "text": "I then a cuz it benefits more people."}, {"end": "01:38:02", "start": "01:38:00", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:38:00", "text": "Than just my as selfish as I want to"}, {"end": "01:38:06", "start": "01:38:02", "text": "step inside the craft. If a three-star"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:04", "text": "general would have I worked at this"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:06", "text": "USAP."}, {"end": "01:38:10", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "This place in Oklahoma. I worked at this"}, {"end": "01:38:14", "start": "01:38:10", "text": "USA at this place in California. Here's"}, {"end": "01:38:15", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "the amount of biologics we had. Hey,"}, {"end": "01:38:17", "start": "01:38:14", "text": "here's how they operate. Here's their"}, {"end": "01:38:19", "start": "01:38:15", "text": "autopsy report. Here's what we found"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:17", "text": "from the craft. Here's the metal it"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:19", "text": "operated on. Let's go that route."}, {"end": "01:38:23", "start": "01:38:20", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:38:25", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "be a hard call to make on the spot"}, {"end": "01:38:26", "start": "01:38:23", "text": "though, you know, if no one knew."}, {"end": "01:38:27", "start": "01:38:25", "text": "Well, initially when you said that, I"}, {"end": "01:38:30", "start": "01:38:26", "text": "thought I had a way out."}, {"end": "01:38:32", "start": "01:38:27", "text": "Yeah. No. No. Yeah. No. No way out. And"}, {"end": "01:38:35", "start": "01:38:30", "text": "And hey, no one will know."}, {"end": "01:38:38", "start": "01:38:32", "text": "I I desperately want to hop in a flux"}, {"end": "01:38:39", "start": "01:38:35", "text": "liner and fly I want to hop in a TR3B"}, {"end": "01:38:40", "start": "01:38:38", "text": "and fly to Paris in a quarter of a"}, {"end": "01:38:43", "start": "01:38:39", "text": "second. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:38:45", "start": "01:38:40", "text": "I want to go into a dumb so badly and"}, {"end": "01:38:47", "start": "01:38:43", "text": "see the miles of carved out rock. I want"}, {"end": "01:38:49", "start": "01:38:45", "text": "to go on a train between dums, the ones"}, {"end": "01:38:50", "start": "01:38:47", "text": "that go so fast it reminds you of your"}, {"end": "01:38:53", "start": "01:38:49", "text": "fear of flying. I want to see bodies on"}, {"end": "01:38:54", "start": "01:38:50", "text": "ice under California. I want to see Jake"}, {"end": "01:38:59", "start": "01:38:53", "text": "Barber's range. I want to go to these"}, {"end": "01:39:01", "start": "01:38:54", "text": "places like so unbelievably bad. So bad."}, {"end": "01:39:03", "start": "01:38:59", "text": "But if there's a if if if any what's"}, {"end": "01:39:05", "start": "01:39:01", "text": "more important is the actual like"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:03", "text": "advancement of lowercase or uppercase"}, {"end": "01:39:09", "start": "01:39:05", "text": "disclosure. If there is a general who"}, {"end": "01:39:10", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "ran these programs and has documentation"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:09", "text": "that he would bring forward and say,"}, {"end": "01:39:13", "start": "01:39:10", "text": "\"I'm ready to speak about this.\" I I"}, {"end": "01:39:14", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "think that would revolutionize"}, {"end": "01:39:15", "start": "01:39:13", "text": "everything."}, {"end": "01:39:17", "start": "01:39:14", "text": "And you would give up your pursuit of"}, {"end": "01:39:18", "start": "01:39:15", "text": "wanting to be in these craft"}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:17", "text": "at that point. Yeah. cuz then I would"}, {"end": "01:39:23", "start": "01:39:18", "text": "also be involved in helping bring like"}, {"end": "01:39:25", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "enormous earthshattering disclosure."}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:23", "text": "It's a big sacrifice."}, {"end": "01:39:27", "start": "01:39:25", "text": "I know. I know. But others would be able"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "to go in, right?"}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:27", "text": "Like like if you and Jesse got to go in"}, {"end": "01:39:32", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "like a flex liner but I couldn't get in"}, {"end": "01:39:34", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "when there's three seats and you guys"}, {"end": "01:39:36", "start": "01:39:32", "text": "get to go for a ride but I couldn't hop"}, {"end": "01:39:37", "start": "01:39:34", "text": "in. That'd be a tough pill to swallow."}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:36", "text": "Yeah. And I'd like to say I wouldn't go"}, {"end": "01:39:40", "start": "01:39:37", "text": "in without you. But"}, {"end": "01:39:41", "start": "01:39:38", "text": "you guys would and I would I wouldn't be"}, {"end": "01:39:44", "start": "01:39:40", "text": "too upset. What about you? What's your"}, {"end": "01:39:48", "start": "01:39:41", "text": "answer to the question?"}, {"end": "01:39:50", "start": "01:39:44", "text": "It's a good question. Um, but for me, I"}, {"end": "01:39:54", "start": "01:39:48", "text": "would probably choose B,"}, {"end": "01:39:57", "start": "01:39:50", "text": "but not for the same reasons. I don't"}, {"end": "01:39:58", "start": "01:39:54", "text": "think that any amount of paperwork or"}, {"end": "01:40:00", "start": "01:39:57", "text": "witness testimony will convince someone"}, {"end": "01:40:00", "start": "01:39:58", "text": "who doesn't want to be convinced."}, {"end": "01:40:03", "start": "01:40:00", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:40:04", "start": "01:40:00", "text": "I think that people can be shown things"}, {"end": "01:40:06", "start": "01:40:03", "text": "and still not believe it."}, {"end": "01:40:08", "start": "01:40:04", "text": "You can be shown a body, dead or alive,"}, {"end": "01:40:09", "start": "01:40:06", "text": "and you can be like, \"Wow, some crazy"}, {"end": "01:40:12", "start": "01:40:08", "text": "animatronics.\""}, {"end": "01:40:14", "start": "01:40:09", "text": "Um, and even if they told you, \"No, it's"}, {"end": "01:40:15", "start": "01:40:12", "text": "aliens.\" and it's it's the most"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:14", "text": "trustworthy people."}, {"end": "01:40:18", "start": "01:40:15", "text": "If you're not ready"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "for that type of disclosure, for that"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:18", "text": "type of shift"}, {"end": "01:40:24", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "in your ontology, then you won't accept"}, {"end": "01:40:26", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "it."}, {"end": "01:40:27", "start": "01:40:24", "text": "And so I think I think disclosure is a"}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:26", "text": "journey. And I think what we're doing"}, {"end": "01:40:32", "start": "01:40:27", "text": "here in these podcasts and your videos"}, {"end": "01:40:34", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "as well, Jesse's videos and everybody"}, {"end": "01:40:37", "start": "01:40:32", "text": "else doing this type of stuff, I think"}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:34", "text": "we are the paradigm shift."}, {"end": "01:40:44", "start": "01:40:37", "text": "We talk about the shifting paradigm in"}, {"end": "01:40:45", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "how in my mind it's like this like whoa"}, {"end": "01:40:47", "start": "01:40:44", "text": "it shifts. It goes boom and everything's"}, {"end": "01:40:49", "start": "01:40:45", "text": "on its head and like oh materialism"}, {"end": "01:40:51", "start": "01:40:47", "text": "isn't real and like consciousness is the"}, {"end": "01:40:53", "start": "01:40:49", "text": "base of everything and and this this"}, {"end": "01:40:56", "start": "01:40:51", "text": "giant shift that's not how it happens."}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:53", "text": "It happens gradually. It's happening now"}, {"end": "01:41:00", "start": "01:40:56", "text": "and it happens generationally. like our"}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:58", "text": "children and our children's children"}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "will be raised by AI nannies and it'll"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "be totally the to them even existing in"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "a world where UFOs aren't real is so"}, {"end": "01:41:16", "start": "01:41:09", "text": "foreign is so far back. So this it'll"}, {"end": "01:41:18", "start": "01:41:12", "text": "happen over time and who cares in my"}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:16", "text": "opinion who cares whether or not we"}, {"end": "01:41:22", "start": "01:41:18", "text": "believe UFOs are true or not. It doesn't"}, {"end": "01:41:25", "start": "01:41:20", "text": "matter because if they are they will be"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:22", "text": "a reality. They will be eventually"}, {"end": "01:41:30", "start": "01:41:25", "text": "whether I'm here or not. I think we're"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "here to help people"}, {"end": "01:41:35", "start": "01:41:30", "text": "gradually be comfortable accepting this"}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "reality by having these conversations,"}, {"end": "01:41:39", "start": "01:41:35", "text": "making them fun and entertaining to"}, {"end": "01:41:41", "start": "01:41:36", "text": "watch, allowing people in Hollywood to"}, {"end": "01:41:43", "start": "01:41:39", "text": "make movies, to comedians to joke about"}, {"end": "01:41:47", "start": "01:41:41", "text": "it, philosophers to think about it, and"}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:43", "text": "and us to just in our cultural zeitgeist"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:47", "text": "to accept this. So for that reason, I"}, {"end": "01:41:54", "start": "01:41:50", "text": "would say, well, I can go on a UFO,"}, {"end": "01:41:57", "start": "01:41:52", "text": "never talk about it, and still do these"}, {"end": "01:41:59", "start": "01:41:54", "text": "podcasts and still with high conviction,"}, {"end": "01:42:00", "start": "01:41:57", "text": "higher conviction at that point."}, {"end": "01:42:01", "start": "01:41:59", "text": "Wink every now and then."}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:42:00", "text": "Yeah. Who cares? You know what I mean?"}, {"end": "01:42:04", "start": "01:42:01", "text": "Because I I still feel like I'd be doing"}, {"end": "01:42:06", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "the same thing."}, {"end": "01:42:08", "start": "01:42:04", "text": "You do raise a good point when you talk"}, {"end": "01:42:10", "start": "01:42:06", "text": "about uh kind of baseline consensus of"}, {"end": "01:42:12", "start": "01:42:08", "text": "the populace. I mean, we live in a world"}, {"end": "01:42:13", "start": "01:42:10", "text": "where there's no consensus reality even"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:12", "text": "agreed upon. I think there will always"}, {"end": "01:42:17", "start": "01:42:13", "text": "be cognitive bias, wanting to believe"}, {"end": "01:42:19", "start": "01:42:15", "text": "something or not. So, I I do think you"}, {"end": "01:42:22", "start": "01:42:17", "text": "rais a really good point there. My one"}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:19", "text": "caveat to take B is that if not only"}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:22", "text": "could I go inside the craft, but I could"}, {"end": "01:42:31", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "like join like work inside an ethically"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:28", "text": "run legacy program like a blue hat white"}, {"end": "01:42:35", "start": "01:42:31", "text": "hat legacy program to like work on craft"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "and stuff. I might I might take that"}, {"end": "01:42:38", "start": "01:42:35", "text": "route. If I could disappear and go just"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "work on some craft."}, {"end": "01:42:43", "start": "01:42:38", "text": "Yeah. work with Ed when he work at out"}, {"end": "01:42:45", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "at the 412th and operate some reverse"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:43", "text": "engineered vehicles. I might I might"}, {"end": "01:42:48", "start": "01:42:45", "text": "have to take that."}, {"end": "01:42:51", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "Do you you know I've asked you this"}, {"end": "01:42:54", "start": "01:42:48", "text": "before off camera but for the camera. Do"}, {"end": "01:42:59", "start": "01:42:51", "text": "you think that"}, {"end": "01:43:02", "start": "01:42:54", "text": "your work in this space will somehow"}, {"end": "01:43:04", "start": "01:42:59", "text": "prevent that reality from being from"}, {"end": "01:43:05", "start": "01:43:02", "text": "being real? Well, we talked about that"}, {"end": "01:43:06", "start": "01:43:04", "text": "and it's a it's a fair point. Like"}, {"end": "01:43:09", "start": "01:43:05", "text": "mentioning names or stuff that always"}, {"end": "01:43:11", "start": "01:43:06", "text": "gives advanced like"}, {"end": "01:43:13", "start": "01:43:09", "text": "options for intelligence or men in black"}, {"end": "01:43:16", "start": "01:43:11", "text": "or agencies to put the kibash and clamp"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:13", "text": "on any more leaks about that. I I"}, {"end": "01:43:21", "start": "01:43:16", "text": "certainly hope I'm doing the opposite of"}, {"end": "01:43:25", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "of bringing forward names like naming"}, {"end": "01:43:26", "start": "01:43:21", "text": "specific people, specific bases, and so"}, {"end": "01:43:29", "start": "01:43:25", "text": "whatever programs are run, they go, \"Oh"}, {"end": "01:43:31", "start": "01:43:26", "text": "crap, they're on to this.\" But I I just"}, {"end": "01:43:33", "start": "01:43:29", "text": "hope that the the work I do, the videos"}, {"end": "01:43:36", "start": "01:43:31", "text": "I do will not only uh allow people to"}, {"end": "01:43:39", "start": "01:43:33", "text": "take away valuable information to start"}, {"end": "01:43:42", "start": "01:43:36", "text": "adjusting to what I think is our world's"}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:39", "text": "reality of UFO legacy program operations"}, {"end": "01:43:45", "start": "01:43:42", "text": "because I don't I don't in my videos I I"}, {"end": "01:43:47", "start": "01:43:44", "text": "don't start every video with saying,"}, {"end": "01:43:49", "start": "01:43:45", "text": "\"Hey, this is why UFOs are real. This is"}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:47", "text": "what I operate in my videos off the"}, {"end": "01:43:52", "start": "01:43:49", "text": "baseline that the audience understands"}, {"end": "01:43:56", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "that UFOs are indeed real and of a"}, {"end": "01:44:00", "start": "01:43:52", "text": "non-human source.\" So, I just hope that"}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:56", "text": "uh the people that can affect the change"}, {"end": "01:44:04", "start": "01:44:00", "text": "have takeaways and I hope the viewer has"}, {"end": "01:44:07", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "at least one takeaway. If you watch the"}, {"end": "01:44:10", "start": "01:44:04", "text": "SIC video and all a viewer took away is"}, {"end": "01:44:12", "start": "01:44:07", "text": "that okay uh somebody involved with the"}, {"end": "01:44:14", "start": "01:44:10", "text": "secretary of defense Ellen Lord signed"}, {"end": "01:44:16", "start": "01:44:12", "text": "in the corporate portfolio program which"}, {"end": "01:44:19", "start": "01:44:14", "text": "gave uh defense industrialbased"}, {"end": "01:44:22", "start": "01:44:16", "text": "contractors FFRDC's and UARS greater"}, {"end": "01:44:24", "start": "01:44:19", "text": "access to DoD uh SAT portfolio scientist"}, {"end": "01:44:26", "start": "01:44:22", "text": "personnel and that that lady then went"}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:24", "text": "on to join the board of sic what's the"}, {"end": "01:44:30", "start": "01:44:26", "text": "conflicting conflicts there if these"}, {"end": "01:44:32", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "programs really UFO programs really do"}, {"end": "01:44:34", "start": "01:44:30", "text": "operate in SAPS and they take away just"}, {"end": "01:44:36", "start": "01:44:32", "text": "that that that's enough for me. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:44:38", "start": "01:44:34", "text": "But on the on the like policy maker and"}, {"end": "01:44:41", "start": "01:44:36", "text": "change side, if they can get a name and"}, {"end": "01:44:44", "start": "01:44:38", "text": "subpoena that person,"}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:41", "text": "great. Or if or if an actual team of of"}, {"end": "01:44:47", "start": "01:44:44", "text": "protected disclosure recipients or"}, {"end": "01:44:49", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "something can go out and visit a"}, {"end": "01:44:50", "start": "01:44:47", "text": "location, you know, go to the exact"}, {"end": "01:44:52", "start": "01:44:49", "text": "place where the Doug Way dumb is"}, {"end": "01:44:54", "start": "01:44:50", "text": "supposed to be knock on well, not a good"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:52", "text": "idea, but somehow gain access to that"}, {"end": "01:44:58", "start": "01:44:54", "text": "craft and their their underground base"}, {"end": "01:45:00", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "and actually affect change. That that is"}, {"end": "01:45:01", "start": "01:44:58", "text": "what that's what I hope for."}, {"end": "01:45:04", "start": "01:45:00", "text": "What would your position be? All right."}, {"end": "01:45:06", "start": "01:45:01", "text": "You're hired tomorrow. You're read in on"}, {"end": "01:45:09", "start": "01:45:04", "text": "legacy. Here's all you need to know."}, {"end": "01:45:12", "start": "01:45:06", "text": "Yes, these craft are from another star"}, {"end": "01:45:14", "start": "01:45:09", "text": "system. Indeed, we have some that are"}, {"end": "01:45:16", "start": "01:45:12", "text": "our own. These are theirs. You have all"}, {"end": "01:45:19", "start": "01:45:14", "text": "the information. And they go, where do"}, {"end": "01:45:19", "start": "01:45:16", "text": "you want to work, Sam? Where are you"}, {"end": "01:45:21", "start": "01:45:19", "text": "going?"}, {"end": "01:45:23", "start": "01:45:19", "text": "Oh, I'm not smart enough to work on the"}, {"end": "01:45:25", "start": "01:45:21", "text": "craft. So what I would say is I hope"}, {"end": "01:45:27", "start": "01:45:23", "text": "that this ethical legacy program wants"}, {"end": "01:45:29", "start": "01:45:25", "text": "some sort of community outreach"}, {"end": "01:45:31", "start": "01:45:27", "text": "to to reign in the program, get it under"}, {"end": "01:45:32", "start": "01:45:29", "text": "some sort of control, more properly"}, {"end": "01:45:33", "start": "01:45:31", "text": "brief. I'd want to be a brief I'd want"}, {"end": "01:45:35", "start": "01:45:32", "text": "to be a briefer."}, {"end": "01:45:37", "start": "01:45:33", "text": "There's a thin line between community"}, {"end": "01:45:39", "start": "01:45:35", "text": "outreach and disinformation."}, {"end": "01:45:41", "start": "01:45:37", "text": "Okay, then I would want to be a a"}, {"end": "01:45:42", "start": "01:45:39", "text": "industrial security"}, {"end": "01:45:45", "start": "01:45:41", "text": "uh program security person."}, {"end": "01:45:48", "start": "01:45:42", "text": "Oh, so like an unbagged"}, {"end": "01:45:48", "start": "01:45:45", "text": "security guy that uh so that conducts"}, {"end": "01:45:51", "start": "01:45:48", "text": "briefings."}, {"end": "01:45:53", "start": "01:45:48", "text": "That conducts briefings. Okay. So, you"}, {"end": "01:45:55", "start": "01:45:51", "text": "would be reading in guys like Bob Lazar."}, {"end": "01:45:55", "start": "01:45:53", "text": "Yeah, that would be awesome. I would"}, {"end": "01:45:56", "start": "01:45:55", "text": "love that."}, {"end": "01:45:57", "start": "01:45:55", "text": "That is cool."}, {"end": "01:45:59", "start": "01:45:56", "text": "Cuz I'm I'm not I would mess up a"}, {"end": "01:46:01", "start": "01:45:57", "text": "component on the craft and it would"}, {"end": "01:46:03", "start": "01:45:59", "text": "crash and burn and we'd lose one of nine"}, {"end": "01:46:04", "start": "01:46:01", "text": "in the inventory. I I can't have that"}, {"end": "01:46:04", "start": "01:46:03", "text": "amount of stress."}, {"end": "01:46:06", "start": "01:46:04", "text": "That's a good point."}, {"end": "01:46:08", "start": "01:46:04", "text": "So, let me do the briefings. Let me meet"}, {"end": "01:46:10", "start": "01:46:06", "text": "people. It It'd be a really lonely and"}, {"end": "01:46:12", "start": "01:46:08", "text": "isolated existence, though."}, {"end": "01:46:12", "start": "01:46:10", "text": "Yeah. But not unlike making YouTube"}, {"end": "01:46:15", "start": "01:46:12", "text": "videos,"}, {"end": "01:46:17", "start": "01:46:12", "text": "right? True. Yeah. True. But imagine"}, {"end": "01:46:19", "start": "01:46:15", "text": "imagine having that sort of information"}, {"end": "01:46:21", "start": "01:46:17", "text": "and being at like a a restaurant, a"}, {"end": "01:46:22", "start": "01:46:19", "text": "steakhouse or something and you're"}, {"end": "01:46:25", "start": "01:46:21", "text": "sitting around people laughing, having a"}, {"end": "01:46:29", "start": "01:46:22", "text": "great time, but you know that a thousand"}, {"end": "01:46:32", "start": "01:46:25", "text": "ft below you, two miles below you,"}, {"end": "01:46:34", "start": "01:46:29", "text": "there's a big old warehouse that's"}, {"end": "01:46:36", "start": "01:46:32", "text": "exploiting non-human bodies, taking"}, {"end": "01:46:38", "start": "01:46:34", "text": "peeling tissue off them. How can you"}, {"end": "01:46:40", "start": "01:46:36", "text": "live as a normal human having that life?"}, {"end": "01:46:43", "start": "01:46:38", "text": "Right? I imagine the amount of PTSD that"}, {"end": "01:46:44", "start": "01:46:40", "text": "must give you to have a a a pretty"}, {"end": "01:46:45", "start": "01:46:43", "text": "comprehensive view of what's going on"}, {"end": "01:46:47", "start": "01:46:44", "text": "must be tremendous."}, {"end": "01:46:49", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "Yeah. That pressure must weigh heavy."}, {"end": "01:46:51", "start": "01:46:47", "text": "And also, do you think that there are"}, {"end": "01:46:52", "start": "01:46:49", "text": "people that just live there?"}, {"end": "01:46:54", "start": "01:46:51", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Underground bases"}, {"end": "01:46:56", "start": "01:46:52", "text": "probably. Yeah. Cuz even"}, {"end": "01:46:56", "start": "01:46:54", "text": "like work for the company store type"}, {"end": "01:46:58", "start": "01:46:56", "text": "deal."}, {"end": "01:47:00", "start": "01:46:56", "text": "Yeah. even uh deep underground military"}, {"end": "01:47:01", "start": "01:46:58", "text": "bases that are used for continuity of"}, {"end": "01:47:03", "start": "01:47:00", "text": "government sites dating all the way back"}, {"end": "01:47:06", "start": "01:47:01", "text": "to the uh Nazis under the Tot"}, {"end": "01:47:07", "start": "01:47:03", "text": "organization and uh Xavier Dors. All of"}, {"end": "01:47:09", "start": "01:47:06", "text": "these underground facilities have"}, {"end": "01:47:11", "start": "01:47:07", "text": "dormitories, self-contained power"}, {"end": "01:47:13", "start": "01:47:09", "text": "sources, food supplies, restaurants,"}, {"end": "01:47:14", "start": "01:47:11", "text": "restaurants. Yeah. In the Pentagon,"}, {"end": "01:47:14", "start": "01:47:13", "text": "there's McDonald's and Pizza Hut."}, {"end": "01:47:16", "start": "01:47:14", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:47:18", "start": "01:47:14", "text": "Uh"}, {"end": "01:47:20", "start": "01:47:16", "text": "there might be a Subway at a station at"}, {"end": "01:47:21", "start": "01:47:18", "text": "a dumb station. Who knows? Probably. But"}, {"end": "01:47:22", "start": "01:47:20", "text": "there are probably people that live on"}, {"end": "01:47:24", "start": "01:47:21", "text": "site."}, {"end": "01:47:24", "start": "01:47:22", "text": "Yeah. That spend their lives there, I'm"}, {"end": "01:47:27", "start": "01:47:24", "text": "sure."}, {"end": "01:47:29", "start": "01:47:24", "text": "Never see the sun. kind of, you know,"}, {"end": "01:47:30", "start": "01:47:27", "text": "that's kind of Manhattan Project type"}, {"end": "01:47:31", "start": "01:47:29", "text": "deal where they built this little"}, {"end": "01:47:33", "start": "01:47:30", "text": "village. You live here, this is your"}, {"end": "01:47:35", "start": "01:47:31", "text": "life now type deal. I mean, I I would"}, {"end": "01:47:38", "start": "01:47:33", "text": "assume that's probably the easiest way"}, {"end": "01:47:39", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "to contain any type of leak. Yeah. And"}, {"end": "01:47:40", "start": "01:47:38", "text": "and that brings up some disturbing"}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:39", "text": "points like are these people ever"}, {"end": "01:47:45", "start": "01:47:40", "text": "allowed outside if that's the case? Do"}, {"end": "01:47:46", "start": "01:47:42", "text": "they rotate in six month year shifts on"}, {"end": "01:47:47", "start": "01:47:45", "text": "and off or do they just live there"}, {"end": "01:47:49", "start": "01:47:46", "text": "permanently and have no real knowledge"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:47", "text": "of an outside world? It's very"}, {"end": "01:47:52", "start": "01:47:49", "text": "disturbing to to think about like"}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "permanent staff."}, {"end": "01:47:57", "start": "01:47:52", "text": "Yeah. And it becomes a line of"}, {"end": "01:47:58", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "so okay if you don't have children you"}, {"end": "01:47:59", "start": "01:47:57", "text": "don't have that collateral."}, {"end": "01:48:01", "start": "01:47:58", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:48:03", "start": "01:47:59", "text": "But then you're able to live in these"}, {"end": "01:48:04", "start": "01:48:01", "text": "bases without leaving you because you"}, {"end": "01:48:05", "start": "01:48:03", "text": "don't have to go back to your kids. So"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:04", "text": "it's like"}, {"end": "01:48:07", "start": "01:48:05", "text": "now would I want to live on an"}, {"end": "01:48:09", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "underground base and not be able to"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:07", "text": "leave? No. It wouldn't be worth it to"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:09", "text": "know the technology at that point"}, {"end": "01:48:14", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "because at that point are you even human"}, {"end": "01:48:15", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "if you don't get to interface with"}, {"end": "01:48:16", "start": "01:48:14", "text": "Yeah. But how could they let you out"}, {"end": "01:48:19", "start": "01:48:15", "text": "with that type of information?"}, {"end": "01:48:20", "start": "01:48:16", "text": "Exactly. I don't imagine that stress."}, {"end": "01:48:22", "start": "01:48:19", "text": "You would have to have collateral,"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:20", "text": "right? Yeah. Imagine being a Donald"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:22", "text": "Kerr, former SIC chairman, MITER guy,"}, {"end": "01:48:31", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "NRO program B, intelligence, CIA, DS&T."}, {"end": "01:48:33", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "Like how do you my if anybody had been"}, {"end": "01:48:35", "start": "01:48:31", "text": "briefed into many a program, it would be"}, {"end": "01:48:37", "start": "01:48:33", "text": "an individual such as Donald Kerr. How"}, {"end": "01:48:41", "start": "01:48:35", "text": "does he walk around probably as a had a"}, {"end": "01:48:43", "start": "01:48:37", "text": "family, had maybe grandkids, had"}, {"end": "01:48:46", "start": "01:48:41", "text": "friends. How do you live a normal human"}, {"end": "01:48:47", "start": "01:48:43", "text": "existence also knowing that"}, {"end": "01:48:48", "start": "01:48:46", "text": "you know you're operating and have"}, {"end": "01:48:50", "start": "01:48:47", "text": "knowledge of these programs and some of"}, {"end": "01:48:52", "start": "01:48:48", "text": "the sick things that happen? Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:48:55", "start": "01:48:50", "text": "that's the other question that it begs"}, {"end": "01:48:57", "start": "01:48:52", "text": "is why so few deathbed confessions."}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:55", "text": "There are a couple out there, but I feel"}, {"end": "01:49:00", "start": "01:48:57", "text": "like there should be more at this point."}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "Well, how many are there that just"}, {"end": "01:49:04", "start": "01:49:00", "text": "haven't been told? Cuz new stuff is"}, {"end": "01:49:06", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "popping off uh popping up all the time."}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:04", "text": "Even about like Roswell, about like"}, {"end": "01:49:10", "start": "01:49:06", "text": "cryptographer deathbed confessions. Even"}, {"end": "01:49:12", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "stuff like uh Walter H. death bed that"}, {"end": "01:49:16", "start": "01:49:10", "text": "affidavit talking about him receiving"}, {"end": "01:49:18", "start": "01:49:12", "text": "the the press as at the 509th bomb group"}, {"end": "01:49:19", "start": "01:49:16", "text": "at Roswell Army Airfield being told to"}, {"end": "01:49:21", "start": "01:49:18", "text": "push out the saucer story that a saucer"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:19", "text": "had been recovered and then to retract"}, {"end": "01:49:24", "start": "01:49:21", "text": "it. Like sometimes these deathbed"}, {"end": "01:49:25", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "confessions just completely go"}, {"end": "01:49:27", "start": "01:49:24", "text": "unnoticed. And how many of these"}, {"end": "01:49:28", "start": "01:49:25", "text": "deathbed confessions have been given to"}, {"end": "01:49:29", "start": "01:49:27", "text": "family, right?"}, {"end": "01:49:31", "start": "01:49:28", "text": "And the family doesn't really know what"}, {"end": "01:49:33", "start": "01:49:29", "text": "to do with it because they're not UFO"}, {"end": "01:49:34", "start": "01:49:31", "text": "guys. I I imagine you could talk to"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:33", "text": "people, a lot of people"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:34", "text": "uh whose family worked in at Northrup or"}, {"end": "01:49:39", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "something like that and they'll say,"}, {"end": "01:49:40", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "\"Yeah, my grandfather was a Northrup"}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:39", "text": "engineer. But he told me when he died he"}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:40", "text": "did crazy things out in the desert or"}, {"end": "01:49:45", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "something like that."}, {"end": "01:49:48", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "Yeah. I always had a I had an idea for a"}, {"end": "01:49:51", "start": "01:49:45", "text": "podcast, a completely ludicrous idea,"}, {"end": "01:49:53", "start": "01:49:48", "text": "but called Deathbed. And you film a"}, {"end": "01:49:55", "start": "01:49:51", "text": "podcast with all these people and you"}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:53", "text": "sign a contract saying this will not be"}, {"end": "01:49:59", "start": "01:49:55", "text": "released until your death."}, {"end": "01:50:01", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "Oh, that's smart."}, {"end": "01:50:02", "start": "01:49:59", "text": "And then having, you know, just you"}, {"end": "01:50:04", "start": "01:50:01", "text": "don't know when an episode's going to"}, {"end": "01:50:05", "start": "01:50:02", "text": "drop, but you hear about someone's death"}, {"end": "01:50:06", "start": "01:50:04", "text": "and all of a sudden, oh,"}, {"end": "01:50:07", "start": "01:50:05", "text": "that would be"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:06", "text": "Death Bed just uploaded a new video."}, {"end": "01:50:11", "start": "01:50:07", "text": "This should be interesting. That would"}, {"end": "01:50:12", "start": "01:50:09", "text": "be so valuable because imagine if you"}, {"end": "01:50:13", "start": "01:50:11", "text": "could do that with people like Inman."}, {"end": "01:50:14", "start": "01:50:12", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:50:15", "start": "01:50:13", "text": "Or Paul Kaminsky who's a dinosaur at"}, {"end": "01:50:17", "start": "01:50:14", "text": "this point"}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:15", "text": "and with anyone like Deepest Darkest"}, {"end": "01:50:21", "start": "01:50:17", "text": "Secrets. Yeah. Anyone in and outside of"}, {"end": "01:50:23", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "the program. Like I mean it would be"}, {"end": "01:50:25", "start": "01:50:21", "text": "just an interesting idea to have as a"}, {"end": "01:50:27", "start": "01:50:23", "text": "podcast too to be like oh you know"}, {"end": "01:50:29", "start": "01:50:25", "text": "you're gone so you know burn the boats."}, {"end": "01:50:30", "start": "01:50:27", "text": "That would also be so surreal cuz let's"}, {"end": "01:50:33", "start": "01:50:29", "text": "say you did with like a former president"}, {"end": "01:50:36", "start": "01:50:30", "text": "or you know a former military general."}, {"end": "01:50:38", "start": "01:50:33", "text": "That would be a postumous way of of"}, {"end": "01:50:39", "start": "01:50:36", "text": "hearing from them directly right after"}, {"end": "01:50:40", "start": "01:50:38", "text": "their death. That'd be really"}, {"end": "01:50:41", "start": "01:50:39", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:40", "text": "But also really hard to get them to talk"}, {"end": "01:50:44", "start": "01:50:41", "text": "about any of that stuff while they're"}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "alive and healthy."}, {"end": "01:50:48", "start": "01:50:44", "text": "Yeah. Especially if there's somebody"}, {"end": "01:50:49", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "bound by NDAs, right? Like you the"}, {"end": "01:50:51", "start": "01:50:48", "text": "I promise I won't put it out."}, {"end": "01:50:53", "start": "01:50:49", "text": "Yeah. Or show anybody."}, {"end": "01:50:55", "start": "01:50:51", "text": "Like I'll edit it myself. I'll I'll edit"}, {"end": "01:50:56", "start": "01:50:53", "text": "it on a closed system that has no access"}, {"end": "01:50:57", "start": "01:50:55", "text": "to the internet."}, {"end": "01:50:58", "start": "01:50:56", "text": "No editing. Just"}, {"end": "01:51:00", "start": "01:50:57", "text": "Yeah. Just raw"}, {"end": "01:51:01", "start": "01:50:58", "text": "goes into goes into some blockchain"}, {"end": "01:51:03", "start": "01:51:00", "text": "somewhere. Just sits there. Because if"}, {"end": "01:51:05", "start": "01:51:01", "text": "these guys are bound by NDAs that have"}, {"end": "01:51:07", "start": "01:51:03", "text": "worked on UFO programs and they're"}, {"end": "01:51:09", "start": "01:51:05", "text": "already hesitant to break NDAs or talk"}, {"end": "01:51:10", "start": "01:51:07", "text": "about it, yeah, you they the amount of"}, {"end": "01:51:12", "start": "01:51:09", "text": "trust they would have to have in you to"}, {"end": "01:51:14", "start": "01:51:10", "text": "film such a death or film such a"}, {"end": "01:51:18", "start": "01:51:12", "text": "confession to be be released upon their"}, {"end": "01:51:18", "start": "01:51:14", "text": "death be tremendous."}, {"end": "01:51:24", "start": "01:51:19", "text": "Who um"}, {"end": "01:51:26", "start": "01:51:22", "text": "whose bed would you like to be beside"}, {"end": "01:51:28", "start": "01:51:24", "text": "when it comes time?"}, {"end": "01:51:29", "start": "01:51:26", "text": "I can't say their name, but a very dear"}, {"end": "01:51:31", "start": "01:51:28", "text": "friend of mine."}, {"end": "01:51:32", "start": "01:51:29", "text": "Okay. You think they're holding on to a"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:31", "text": "lot more than they're letting on?"}, {"end": "01:51:34", "start": "01:51:32", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "01:51:34", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "They've told you this."}, {"end": "01:51:35", "start": "01:51:34", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:51:38", "start": "01:51:34", "text": "Yeah. They said there's a lot of stuff I"}, {"end": "01:51:39", "start": "01:51:35", "text": "can't say."}, {"end": "01:51:42", "start": "01:51:38", "text": "What a burden."}, {"end": "01:51:44", "start": "01:51:39", "text": "I know. And the the it's clearly taken a"}, {"end": "01:51:46", "start": "01:51:42", "text": "toll on him. I mean, there are multiple"}, {"end": "01:51:47", "start": "01:51:44", "text": "people I know have worked alongside or"}, {"end": "01:51:49", "start": "01:51:46", "text": "in legacy programs that suffer from"}, {"end": "01:51:52", "start": "01:51:47", "text": "PTSD."}, {"end": "01:51:54", "start": "01:51:49", "text": "Not only from not just from like seeing"}, {"end": "01:51:57", "start": "01:51:52", "text": "I've seen an alien body, but just from"}, {"end": "01:51:58", "start": "01:51:54", "text": "harboring feeling so isolated and"}, {"end": "01:52:00", "start": "01:51:57", "text": "harboring knowledge that nobody else"}, {"end": "01:52:01", "start": "01:51:58", "text": "has. worried that like what if I'm in my"}, {"end": "01:52:02", "start": "01:52:00", "text": "sleep and I blurt this out?"}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:52:01", "text": "Oh, right. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:52:06", "start": "01:52:02", "text": "The just intense fear like I'm in an"}, {"end": "01:52:08", "start": "01:52:04", "text": "isolated spot. What if what if there was"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:06", "text": "a world in which I I just said I was at"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:08", "text": "this base doing this?"}, {"end": "01:52:12", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:52:13", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "The the damage that would face them"}, {"end": "01:52:15", "start": "01:52:12", "text": "would be"}, {"end": "01:52:17", "start": "01:52:13", "text": "and the constant stress inoculation from"}, {"end": "01:52:18", "start": "01:52:15", "text": "those around you telling hey you better"}, {"end": "01:52:19", "start": "01:52:17", "text": "not speak. You better not speak. You"}, {"end": "01:52:19", "start": "01:52:18", "text": "speak you're dead."}, {"end": "01:52:21", "start": "01:52:19", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:52:22", "start": "01:52:19", "text": "You know that must weigh heavy too."}, {"end": "01:52:24", "start": "01:52:21", "text": "And especially if they're you know"}, {"end": "01:52:27", "start": "01:52:22", "text": "worked in security side of the programs"}, {"end": "01:52:28", "start": "01:52:24", "text": "constant. If anybody talks about this,"}, {"end": "01:52:31", "start": "01:52:27", "text": "the person you brief, you better not"}, {"end": "01:52:32", "start": "01:52:28", "text": "brief them one single word out of what"}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:31", "text": "they can hear. If you do, you're on the"}, {"end": "01:52:36", "start": "01:52:32", "text": "line and you're out of here. Like the"}, {"end": "01:52:37", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "constant stress of having to say the"}, {"end": "01:52:40", "start": "01:52:36", "text": "right thing at the right time."}, {"end": "01:52:41", "start": "01:52:37", "text": "Yeah. It it just must be tremendous. I"}, {"end": "01:52:43", "start": "01:52:40", "text": "kind of like you right now."}, {"end": "01:52:44", "start": "01:52:41", "text": "Yeah. I I I do not envy those people."}, {"end": "01:52:46", "start": "01:52:43", "text": "Well, because you you got to harbor some"}, {"end": "01:52:47", "start": "01:52:44", "text": "secrets as well. I mean, I've I've been"}, {"end": "01:52:48", "start": "01:52:46", "text": "told things by people off camera, too. I"}, {"end": "01:52:50", "start": "01:52:47", "text": "don't repeat them out of respect for"}, {"end": "01:52:52", "start": "01:52:48", "text": "those people, but you know, I I don't"}, {"end": "01:52:54", "start": "01:52:50", "text": "think at any point,"}, {"end": "01:52:56", "start": "01:52:52", "text": "you know, uh the things that I've been"}, {"end": "01:52:57", "start": "01:52:54", "text": "told hold, you know, that much"}, {"end": "01:52:59", "start": "01:52:56", "text": "importance. Maybe they do, but again,"}, {"end": "01:53:01", "start": "01:52:57", "text": "they're in passing their stories."}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:59", "text": "But um you, however, you know, you're"}, {"end": "01:53:05", "start": "01:53:01", "text": "talking to people who yeah, they could"}, {"end": "01:53:06", "start": "01:53:03", "text": "be jailed or worse, uh if they if they,"}, {"end": "01:53:07", "start": "01:53:05", "text": "you know, repeated what they what they"}, {"end": "01:53:09", "start": "01:53:06", "text": "were part of."}, {"end": "01:53:11", "start": "01:53:07", "text": "It's it's super fickle, right? Like I"}, {"end": "01:53:13", "start": "01:53:09", "text": "can't blame them for not wanting to, you"}, {"end": "01:53:15", "start": "01:53:11", "text": "know, disclose publicly uh just due to"}, {"end": "01:53:16", "start": "01:53:13", "text": "some of the repercussions they could"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:15", "text": "face. Sometimes a lot of the time like"}, {"end": "01:53:19", "start": "01:53:16", "text": "we talked about death is the least of"}, {"end": "01:53:22", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "the worries. It could be it could be"}, {"end": "01:53:23", "start": "01:53:19", "text": "threat of pension. It could be you know"}, {"end": "01:53:25", "start": "01:53:22", "text": "threat of of money being taken away. You"}, {"end": "01:53:26", "start": "01:53:23", "text": "got Mark McCandless. You got Jonathan"}, {"end": "01:53:28", "start": "01:53:25", "text": "Wagant who have discussed the IRS coming"}, {"end": "01:53:30", "start": "01:53:26", "text": "after them money."}, {"end": "01:53:32", "start": "01:53:28", "text": "I've even heard of like putting CP on"}, {"end": "01:53:34", "start": "01:53:30", "text": "people's computers and stuff like that."}, {"end": "01:53:36", "start": "01:53:32", "text": "Like wild stuff. Remember I told you"}, {"end": "01:53:39", "start": "01:53:34", "text": "about um that witness in Greer's"}, {"end": "01:53:43", "start": "01:53:36", "text": "archive, the D 10892 who talked about"}, {"end": "01:53:45", "start": "01:53:39", "text": "being on a ARV retrieval team at Nellis"}, {"end": "01:53:47", "start": "01:53:43", "text": "who then was like faced programmable"}, {"end": "01:53:48", "start": "01:53:45", "text": "abductions. Really weird story. And I I"}, {"end": "01:53:51", "start": "01:53:47", "text": "contacted this guy and had a really"}, {"end": "01:53:53", "start": "01:53:48", "text": "weird experience. He in Greer's archive"}, {"end": "01:53:55", "start": "01:53:51", "text": "in their final correspondences, the guy"}, {"end": "01:53:56", "start": "01:53:53", "text": "said, \"I've been threatened with CP. We"}, {"end": "01:53:58", "start": "01:53:55", "text": "can no longer communicate.\""}, {"end": "01:53:59", "start": "01:53:56", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:54:01", "start": "01:53:58", "text": "That'll do it for a lot of people."}, {"end": "01:54:02", "start": "01:53:59", "text": "Absolutely. That you don't need to go"}, {"end": "01:54:04", "start": "01:54:01", "text": "further than that. There's nothing more"}, {"end": "01:54:04", "start": "01:54:02", "text": "vile or depraved than that."}, {"end": "01:54:09", "start": "01:54:04", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:54:11", "start": "01:54:04", "text": "And no no good human being wants to be"}, {"end": "01:54:12", "start": "01:54:09", "text": "associated in the slightest with such a"}, {"end": "01:54:14", "start": "01:54:11", "text": "terrible subject."}, {"end": "01:54:15", "start": "01:54:12", "text": "Yeah. And that that it pretty much"}, {"end": "01:54:16", "start": "01:54:14", "text": "nullifies everything,"}, {"end": "01:54:18", "start": "01:54:15", "text": "right? Yeah. If if you are"}, {"end": "01:54:19", "start": "01:54:16", "text": "your credibility is just gone."}, {"end": "01:54:21", "start": "01:54:18", "text": "If you are convicted on on those"}, {"end": "01:54:24", "start": "01:54:19", "text": "grounds, then everything's over."}, {"end": "01:54:26", "start": "01:54:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:54:28", "start": "01:54:24", "text": "This is this is an interesting thought"}, {"end": "01:54:30", "start": "01:54:26", "text": "experiment. Uh Chrissy Newton. Um she"}, {"end": "01:54:33", "start": "01:54:28", "text": "she was the one who it was actually the"}, {"end": "01:54:35", "start": "01:54:30", "text": "first episode of the skiff that she was"}, {"end": "01:54:38", "start": "01:54:33", "text": "on. So shout out Chrissy. But she said"}, {"end": "01:54:39", "start": "01:54:35", "text": "uh she asked me like who my starting"}, {"end": "01:54:41", "start": "01:54:38", "text": "five would be"}, {"end": "01:54:43", "start": "01:54:39", "text": "in disclosure."}, {"end": "01:54:45", "start": "01:54:41", "text": "Which I think might be a good question"}, {"end": "01:54:46", "start": "01:54:43", "text": "for you. Yeah. Who's your starting five?"}, {"end": "01:54:47", "start": "01:54:45", "text": "Your team. You had to build it."}, {"end": "01:54:48", "start": "01:54:46", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:54:50", "start": "01:54:47", "text": "You're the coach."}, {"end": "01:54:51", "start": "01:54:48", "text": "David Grush."}, {"end": "01:54:53", "start": "01:54:50", "text": "David Grush."}, {"end": "01:54:53", "start": "01:54:51", "text": "Unnamed military guy. We just talked"}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:53", "text": "about"}, {"end": "01:54:57", "start": "01:54:53", "text": "unnamed military guy number one."}, {"end": "01:54:58", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "Yeah. Um, Ed from the 412."}, {"end": "01:55:00", "start": "01:54:57", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:55:01", "start": "01:54:58", "text": "If he could talk, Bobby Ray Inman."}, {"end": "01:55:03", "start": "01:55:00", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:55:04", "start": "01:55:01", "text": "And fifth. Who would I have fifth?"}, {"end": "01:55:05", "start": "01:55:03", "text": "Well, because you got to think of the"}, {"end": "01:55:07", "start": "01:55:04", "text": "positions, too, right? Yeah."}, {"end": "01:55:10", "start": "01:55:05", "text": "You need scientist. You need somebody"}, {"end": "01:55:12", "start": "01:55:07", "text": "who's more IC. You need somebody who"}, {"end": "01:55:13", "start": "01:55:10", "text": "maybe is better engineering."}, {"end": "01:55:15", "start": "01:55:12", "text": "Could they have been passed or do they"}, {"end": "01:55:16", "start": "01:55:13", "text": "have to be alive now?"}, {"end": "01:55:18", "start": "01:55:15", "text": "Um, let's go alive now."}, {"end": "01:55:19", "start": "01:55:16", "text": "Okay. Cuz if passed, I would choose"}, {"end": "01:55:20", "start": "01:55:18", "text": "Vanavar Bush."}, {"end": "01:55:22", "start": "01:55:19", "text": "Oh, sure. I mean, there's a they've"}, {"end": "01:55:26", "start": "01:55:20", "text": "already got their starting 12, so"}, {"end": "01:55:30", "start": "01:55:22", "text": "Yeah. But okay, la. So the fifth I got"}, {"end": "01:55:31", "start": "01:55:26", "text": "unnamed guy, grush, Bobby Ray, Inman,"}, {"end": "01:55:34", "start": "01:55:30", "text": "Ed,"}, {"end": "01:55:36", "start": "01:55:31", "text": "uh I So Inman would cover the Navy side."}, {"end": "01:55:39", "start": "01:55:34", "text": "Unnamed guy would cover another military"}, {"end": "01:55:42", "start": "01:55:36", "text": "branch. Ed would cover uh Air Force."}, {"end": "01:55:44", "start": "01:55:39", "text": "Grush would cover a lot of the"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:42", "text": "IC stuff. Inman would also cover IC"}, {"end": "01:55:49", "start": "01:55:44", "text": "stuff and neuro stuff."}, {"end": "01:55:51", "start": "01:55:46", "text": "So the fifth would probably be H."}, {"end": "01:55:53", "start": "01:55:49", "text": "And it's someone you have to trust."}, {"end": "01:55:53", "start": "01:55:51", "text": "That's okay. Okay. If we have to trust"}, {"end": "01:55:54", "start": "01:55:53", "text": "them."}, {"end": "01:55:55", "start": "01:55:53", "text": "Well, I mean, it's your team."}, {"end": "01:55:56", "start": "01:55:54", "text": "Get him off the plate."}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:55", "text": "Yeah. Get in off the plate."}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:56", "text": "Off the plate. So, we're back to three."}, {"end": "01:56:00", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "Back to three."}, {"end": "01:56:01", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "Well, I think about the last two. You"}, {"end": "01:56:02", "start": "01:56:00", "text": "tell me yours while I come up with these"}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:56:01", "text": "last two guys."}, {"end": "01:56:08", "start": "01:56:02", "text": "I mean, I like Lazar. Um, I would like"}, {"end": "01:56:09", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "to bring Lazar on. Um, my and my top"}, {"end": "01:56:11", "start": "01:56:08", "text": "five has changed. I think in the first"}, {"end": "01:56:12", "start": "01:56:09", "text": "podcast I had a completely different top"}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:11", "text": "five."}, {"end": "01:56:15", "start": "01:56:12", "text": "Um, I would probably bring Grush on as"}, {"end": "01:56:17", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "well"}, {"end": "01:56:19", "start": "01:56:15", "text": "to be Lazar Grush."}, {"end": "01:56:23", "start": "01:56:17", "text": "I would probably have Jacqu Valet."}, {"end": "01:56:25", "start": "01:56:19", "text": "Ah, yeah. just for, you know, I don't"}, {"end": "01:56:27", "start": "01:56:23", "text": "know. I think he'd be a cool addition."}, {"end": "01:56:29", "start": "01:56:25", "text": "Um maybe Hal Putoff."}, {"end": "01:56:30", "start": "01:56:27", "text": "And I say maybe. I haven't met the guy."}, {"end": "01:56:34", "start": "01:56:29", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:56:38", "start": "01:56:30", "text": "Um how put off and"}, {"end": "01:56:43", "start": "01:56:34", "text": "uh last one."}, {"end": "01:56:45", "start": "01:56:38", "text": "I think it would have to be I maybe even"}, {"end": "01:56:47", "start": "01:56:43", "text": "maybe even someone like Ross Coltard or"}, {"end": "01:56:50", "start": "01:56:45", "text": "something. Somebody Yeah. like a"}, {"end": "01:56:52", "start": "01:56:47", "text": "go-getter journalist. I think, you know,"}, {"end": "01:56:54", "start": "01:56:50", "text": "somebody who's just like fearless,"}, {"end": "01:56:56", "start": "01:56:52", "text": "uh, I think that would be cool, too. And"}, {"end": "01:56:57", "start": "01:56:54", "text": "that would be like a top five. Hey,"}, {"end": "01:56:58", "start": "01:56:56", "text": "let's go. Let's go get the answers type"}, {"end": "01:57:01", "start": "01:56:57", "text": "deal."}, {"end": "01:57:04", "start": "01:56:58", "text": "Okay. I've I've added somebody to the"}, {"end": "01:57:06", "start": "01:57:01", "text": "team. Um, so it's it's somebody that"}, {"end": "01:57:08", "start": "01:57:04", "text": "served on uh Senate Select Committee for"}, {"end": "01:57:10", "start": "01:57:06", "text": "Intelligence. Okay. Who who worked for"}, {"end": "01:57:12", "start": "01:57:08", "text": "the Senate. I They don't"}, {"end": "01:57:13", "start": "01:57:10", "text": "really want to want to be named."}, {"end": "01:57:15", "start": "01:57:12", "text": "Okay. So, unnamed guy number two."}, {"end": "01:57:17", "start": "01:57:13", "text": "Cuz that Yes, cuz that would be a great"}, {"end": "01:57:19", "start": "01:57:15", "text": "And I think for the the fifth it would"}, {"end": "01:57:21", "start": "01:57:17", "text": "be unnamed guy number three."}, {"end": "01:57:22", "start": "01:57:19", "text": "These are copouts."}, {"end": "01:57:24", "start": "01:57:21", "text": "No, no,"}, {"end": "01:57:26", "start": "01:57:22", "text": "you just like I I just picture, you"}, {"end": "01:57:28", "start": "01:57:24", "text": "know, in the the the the player select"}, {"end": "01:57:30", "start": "01:57:26", "text": "menu where they're all just like blacked"}, {"end": "01:57:32", "start": "01:57:28", "text": "out cuz you haven't unlocked them yet."}, {"end": "01:57:34", "start": "01:57:30", "text": "Because like I you know, I I know it's"}, {"end": "01:57:36", "start": "01:57:32", "text": "used as kind of a like a meme on"}, {"end": "01:57:38", "start": "01:57:34", "text": "Twitter, but there is credence to the"}, {"end": "01:57:40", "start": "01:57:36", "text": "subject of circular reporting in this"}, {"end": "01:57:42", "start": "01:57:38", "text": "field, right? And I I think I think"}, {"end": "01:57:43", "start": "01:57:40", "text": "David Grush is removed from that. I"}, {"end": "01:57:45", "start": "01:57:42", "text": "think he's done his own thing. But in"}, {"end": "01:57:46", "start": "01:57:43", "text": "terms of like the Alzandos, Eric Davis,"}, {"end": "01:57:47", "start": "01:57:45", "text": "Hal put off,"}, {"end": "01:57:49", "start": "01:57:46", "text": "there seems to be a lot of the same"}, {"end": "01:57:51", "start": "01:57:47", "text": "stories bouncing back and forth, back"}, {"end": "01:57:52", "start": "01:57:49", "text": "and forth, back and forth. I I do want"}, {"end": "01:57:53", "start": "01:57:51", "text": "to largely avoid that."}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:52", "text": "Get some new blood in the game."}, {"end": "01:57:56", "start": "01:57:53", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:57:57", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "I think Rosco is a great addition cuz he"}, {"end": "01:57:58", "start": "01:57:56", "text": "is tenacious."}, {"end": "01:58:00", "start": "01:57:57", "text": "He is tenacious. He's he's one of those"}, {"end": "01:58:02", "start": "01:57:58", "text": "fearless guys. I met him and, you know,"}, {"end": "01:58:04", "start": "01:58:00", "text": "I can appreciate a guy with a good sense"}, {"end": "01:58:05", "start": "01:58:02", "text": "of humor. Yeah. I think uh you know,"}, {"end": "01:58:06", "start": "01:58:04", "text": "he's he's quite he's quite an"}, {"end": "01:58:07", "start": "01:58:05", "text": "enlightened person. So,"}, {"end": "01:58:09", "start": "01:58:06", "text": "he also seems like one of the guys who"}, {"end": "01:58:11", "start": "01:58:07", "text": "would go knocking on doors, right? like"}, {"end": "01:58:12", "start": "01:58:09", "text": "not just okay to sit back at his desk"}, {"end": "01:58:13", "start": "01:58:11", "text": "and"}, {"end": "01:58:15", "start": "01:58:12", "text": "comfortable in a war zone type deal."}, {"end": "01:58:17", "start": "01:58:13", "text": "Now, if we could choose anybody whether"}, {"end": "01:58:18", "start": "01:58:15", "text": "we trust him or not, I would have to add"}, {"end": "01:58:18", "start": "01:58:17", "text": "Inman on there."}, {"end": "01:58:21", "start": "01:58:18", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:58:23", "start": "01:58:18", "text": "But, you know, I'm sure you saw in 2022,"}, {"end": "01:58:24", "start": "01:58:21", "text": "uh, Inman went on the Project Unity"}, {"end": "01:58:26", "start": "01:58:23", "text": "channel and said, \"Hey, I found all"}, {"end": "01:58:28", "start": "01:58:24", "text": "explanations to every UFO that could"}, {"end": "01:58:28", "start": "01:58:26", "text": "have possibly existed.\""}, {"end": "01:58:30", "start": "01:58:28", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "01:58:32", "start": "01:58:28", "text": "Meanwhile, this guy in '89 was talking"}, {"end": "01:58:35", "start": "01:58:30", "text": "about Sumar Shapiro and Everett Heinman"}, {"end": "01:58:36", "start": "01:58:32", "text": "about being the guys to talk to for"}, {"end": "01:58:37", "start": "01:58:35", "text": "recovered vehicles."}, {"end": "01:58:39", "start": "01:58:36", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. That's hard to put your"}, {"end": "01:58:41", "start": "01:58:37", "text": "finger on that stuff, man. To to what"}, {"end": "01:58:43", "start": "01:58:39", "text": "what's true and what isn't and what's"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:41", "text": "disinfo. It does seem like confusion is"}, {"end": "01:58:47", "start": "01:58:43", "text": "a big part of the a big element in in"}, {"end": "01:58:49", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "the SCOP."}, {"end": "01:58:52", "start": "01:58:47", "text": "Um because I think confusion as soon as"}, {"end": "01:58:54", "start": "01:58:49", "text": "that's put out there, nobody can go down"}, {"end": "01:58:56", "start": "01:58:52", "text": "a direct path to the truth."}, {"end": "01:58:58", "start": "01:58:54", "text": "You're forced to just have everything in"}, {"end": "01:59:00", "start": "01:58:56", "text": "suspension. And I think that that is"}, {"end": "01:59:02", "start": "01:58:58", "text": "like the most effective way of running a"}, {"end": "01:59:04", "start": "01:59:00", "text": "scop is keeping people confused, not"}, {"end": "01:59:05", "start": "01:59:02", "text": "necessarily giving them an answer,"}, {"end": "01:59:07", "start": "01:59:04", "text": "right? And poisoning the water, right?"}, {"end": "01:59:09", "start": "01:59:05", "text": "Like if you're a really credible"}, {"end": "01:59:12", "start": "01:59:07", "text": "journalist researcher and you're doing"}, {"end": "01:59:14", "start": "01:59:09", "text": "your best to cover on topics and you"}, {"end": "01:59:15", "start": "01:59:12", "text": "discuss a witness that isn't being"}, {"end": "01:59:17", "start": "01:59:14", "text": "truthful even though you're trying to do"}, {"end": "01:59:18", "start": "01:59:15", "text": "it in the best intentions and it's later"}, {"end": "01:59:20", "start": "01:59:17", "text": "found out this person is is lying"}, {"end": "01:59:21", "start": "01:59:18", "text": "disinfo something like that like that"}, {"end": "01:59:24", "start": "01:59:20", "text": "shatters your own credibility cuz this"}, {"end": "01:59:26", "start": "01:59:21", "text": "subject is so fickle with uh with"}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:24", "text": "disinformation. It's at every corner"}, {"end": "01:59:29", "start": "01:59:26", "text": "too. You know"}, {"end": "01:59:30", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "I know we talked about this we talked"}, {"end": "01:59:32", "start": "01:59:29", "text": "about this here but I I kind of have to"}, {"end": "01:59:35", "start": "01:59:30", "text": "blackbox people who reach out to me."}, {"end": "01:59:38", "start": "01:59:32", "text": "Yeah. Because what you know, you know,"}, {"end": "01:59:39", "start": "01:59:35", "text": "my my goal is to expose legacy programs."}, {"end": "01:59:40", "start": "01:59:38", "text": "So if you're if you're doing that"}, {"end": "01:59:42", "start": "01:59:39", "text": "playing 40 chess."}, {"end": "01:59:46", "start": "01:59:40", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. What's what's going on?"}, {"end": "01:59:48", "start": "01:59:42", "text": "Okay. Well, okay. This question might"}, {"end": "01:59:49", "start": "01:59:46", "text": "come out of left field and you know, if"}, {"end": "01:59:51", "start": "01:59:48", "text": "you don't want to answer it, it's fine."}, {"end": "01:59:54", "start": "01:59:49", "text": "Um, but we did talk about I'm not sure"}, {"end": "01:59:59", "start": "01:59:51", "text": "if you know you can talk about this, but"}, {"end": "02:00:02", "start": "01:59:54", "text": "um, do you believe that there is"}, {"end": "02:00:05", "start": "01:59:59", "text": "some type of agency within some type of"}, {"end": "02:00:06", "start": "02:00:02", "text": "government that is using time travel in"}, {"end": "02:00:08", "start": "02:00:05", "text": "some way?"}, {"end": "02:00:10", "start": "02:00:06", "text": "We talked about that. I And I know some"}, {"end": "02:00:12", "start": "02:00:08", "text": "people have said that's the ultimate"}, {"end": "02:00:15", "start": "02:00:10", "text": "secret. Um, and then of course there's"}, {"end": "02:00:18", "start": "02:00:12", "text": "Barish and the looking glass. I I would"}, {"end": "02:00:20", "start": "02:00:15", "text": "not be surprised in the slightest. I the"}, {"end": "02:00:22", "start": "02:00:18", "text": "only framework I have is a witness that"}, {"end": "02:00:24", "start": "02:00:20", "text": "you and I talked about who talked about"}, {"end": "02:00:26", "start": "02:00:22", "text": "training on the sphere."}, {"end": "02:00:27", "start": "02:00:24", "text": "Can you can you go into that without"}, {"end": "02:00:28", "start": "02:00:26", "text": "naming the witness, without naming like"}, {"end": "02:00:29", "start": "02:00:27", "text": "any of the projects? Can you go into"}, {"end": "02:00:32", "start": "02:00:28", "text": "some detail there?"}, {"end": "02:00:33", "start": "02:00:29", "text": "We'll save that. We'll um but the the"}, {"end": "02:00:36", "start": "02:00:32", "text": "baseline is of course he talked about"}, {"end": "02:00:38", "start": "02:00:33", "text": "using the sphere as like a a described"}, {"end": "02:00:41", "start": "02:00:36", "text": "like a remote viewing tool,"}, {"end": "02:00:44", "start": "02:00:38", "text": "but the tool allowed the user to like"}, {"end": "02:00:47", "start": "02:00:41", "text": "basically view"}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:44", "text": "parallel sort of existences to us. Mhm."}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:47", "text": "And you know, we talked about that. I"}, {"end": "02:00:51", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "don't know what to do with that"}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "testimony."}, {"end": "02:00:55", "start": "02:00:51", "text": "Kind of like Randy Anderson."}, {"end": "02:00:57", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "Yes. So, like talked about doing bigger"}, {"end": "02:00:59", "start": "02:00:55", "text": "things with that and getting that"}, {"end": "02:01:01", "start": "02:00:57", "text": "to the right people, but that's the only"}, {"end": "02:01:02", "start": "02:00:59", "text": "thing I've really come across. But, you"}, {"end": "02:01:05", "start": "02:01:01", "text": "know, there's a lot of individuals who"}, {"end": "02:01:06", "start": "02:01:02", "text": "talk about this is the ultimate secret."}, {"end": "02:01:07", "start": "02:01:05", "text": "Yeah. Like the adjustment bureau type"}, {"end": "02:01:10", "start": "02:01:06", "text": "deal,"}, {"end": "02:01:12", "start": "02:01:07", "text": "right? I I you know, the CIA, the"}, {"end": "02:01:14", "start": "02:01:10", "text": "agencies, probably unknown agencies,"}, {"end": "02:01:16", "start": "02:01:12", "text": "they like to do everything from UFOs to"}, {"end": "02:01:19", "start": "02:01:14", "text": "making psychic super soldiers. So why"}, {"end": "02:01:19", "start": "02:01:16", "text": "would time travel not be a huge item"}, {"end": "02:01:22", "start": "02:01:19", "text": "interest for them?"}, {"end": "02:01:22", "start": "02:01:19", "text": "Yeah. Or at least peering into time."}, {"end": "02:01:23", "start": "02:01:22", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:01:26", "start": "02:01:22", "text": "You know, at least knowing what's going"}, {"end": "02:01:27", "start": "02:01:23", "text": "to happen because something we we had"}, {"end": "02:01:29", "start": "02:01:26", "text": "talked about previously and something I"}, {"end": "02:01:32", "start": "02:01:27", "text": "talk about quite often with a lot of UFO"}, {"end": "02:01:34", "start": "02:01:29", "text": "researchers in this space is that things"}, {"end": "02:01:35", "start": "02:01:32", "text": "seem to just slip out of people's hands"}, {"end": "02:01:36", "start": "02:01:34", "text": "in the last minute."}, {"end": "02:01:38", "start": "02:01:35", "text": "Whether it's a witness, whether it's a"}, {"end": "02:01:40", "start": "02:01:36", "text": "document, whether it's footage,"}, {"end": "02:01:44", "start": "02:01:38", "text": "whether it's a meeting, whatever it is,"}, {"end": "02:01:46", "start": "02:01:40", "text": "but these things tend to just not"}, {"end": "02:01:47", "start": "02:01:44", "text": "happen. Whether it's an untimely death,"}, {"end": "02:01:50", "start": "02:01:46", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "02:01:52", "start": "02:01:47", "text": "misplaced document, corrupt file,"}, {"end": "02:01:55", "start": "02:01:50", "text": "blocked number,"}, {"end": "02:01:57", "start": "02:01:52", "text": "they happen over and over and over and"}, {"end": "02:01:59", "start": "02:01:55", "text": "over to the point where it's almost"}, {"end": "02:02:01", "start": "02:01:57", "text": "comical. It's almost laughable. Like,"}, {"end": "02:02:03", "start": "02:01:59", "text": "you don't blame Steven Green Street and"}, {"end": "02:02:05", "start": "02:02:01", "text": "you don't blame guys like M West for"}, {"end": "02:02:07", "start": "02:02:03", "text": "being like, \"No, this is ludicrous.\" Cuz"}, {"end": "02:02:11", "start": "02:02:05", "text": "it's always so convenient. So either it"}, {"end": "02:02:14", "start": "02:02:07", "text": "is all BS, which I don't think it is, or"}, {"end": "02:02:17", "start": "02:02:11", "text": "they've got some way of just knowing and"}, {"end": "02:02:18", "start": "02:02:14", "text": "not only knowing, but getting there very"}, {"end": "02:02:20", "start": "02:02:17", "text": "quickly. Like you even have this"}, {"end": "02:02:21", "start": "02:02:18", "text": "testimony from this Iranian pilot in the"}, {"end": "02:02:24", "start": "02:02:20", "text": "70s."}, {"end": "02:02:26", "start": "02:02:21", "text": "Oh yeah. The Tyrron incident 76 happened"}, {"end": "02:02:28", "start": "02:02:24", "text": "at night. Happened at night where there"}, {"end": "02:02:31", "start": "02:02:26", "text": "was this dog fight with this UFO. And"}, {"end": "02:02:34", "start": "02:02:28", "text": "the next morning in Iran, he had what"}, {"end": "02:02:36", "start": "02:02:31", "text": "seemed like American, you know, officers"}, {"end": "02:02:39", "start": "02:02:34", "text": "of some type show up and tell him, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "02:02:41", "start": "02:02:36", "text": "you're not to talk about this.\""}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:39", "text": "Who travels that fast? How did you find"}, {"end": "02:02:46", "start": "02:02:41", "text": "out? Like, this is this is incredible."}, {"end": "02:02:49", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "It almost seems like at a a baseline"}, {"end": "02:02:52", "start": "02:02:46", "text": "minimum that something like remote"}, {"end": "02:02:56", "start": "02:02:49", "text": "viewing is used by agencies in order to"}, {"end": "02:02:59", "start": "02:02:52", "text": "choose a correct path of of of action to"}, {"end": "02:03:00", "start": "02:02:56", "text": "to cease a witness speaking to be in the"}, {"end": "02:03:02", "start": "02:02:59", "text": "right place at the right time which is"}, {"end": "02:03:04", "start": "02:03:00", "text": "like you said peering into kind of"}, {"end": "02:03:06", "start": "02:03:02", "text": "future events and trying to use"}, {"end": "02:03:08", "start": "02:03:04", "text": "predictions and course correction to"}, {"end": "02:03:09", "start": "02:03:06", "text": "ensure a you know best possible outcome"}, {"end": "02:03:12", "start": "02:03:08", "text": "for them."}, {"end": "02:03:13", "start": "02:03:09", "text": "Yeah. You had the Timothy E. Taylor's"}, {"end": "02:03:15", "start": "02:03:12", "text": "you know comment. Mhm."}, {"end": "02:03:17", "start": "02:03:13", "text": "that he made to I think it was Ryan or"}, {"end": "02:03:19", "start": "02:03:15", "text": "Chris Bled. So, it could have been both."}, {"end": "02:03:20", "start": "02:03:17", "text": "Uh that uh the adjustment bureau that he"}, {"end": "02:03:22", "start": "02:03:19", "text": "works for the hammer."}, {"end": "02:03:24", "start": "02:03:20", "text": "Yeah. That's so that's so bizarre. The"}, {"end": "02:03:26", "start": "02:03:22", "text": "the time stuff I I know we discussed"}, {"end": "02:03:26", "start": "02:03:24", "text": "that a lot. It still melts my mind."}, {"end": "02:03:29", "start": "02:03:26", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:03:31", "start": "02:03:26", "text": "Like I'm still a new initiative to"}, {"end": "02:03:33", "start": "02:03:29", "text": "psionic stuff, remote viewing stuff. I'm"}, {"end": "02:03:34", "start": "02:03:31", "text": "I'm still trying to wrap my head around"}, {"end": "02:03:36", "start": "02:03:33", "text": "how such things can work. You know, when"}, {"end": "02:03:38", "start": "02:03:34", "text": "I'm reading about sic continuing"}, {"end": "02:03:41", "start": "02:03:36", "text": "Stargate programs and making their own"}, {"end": "02:03:43", "start": "02:03:38", "text": "words like uh psychokinesis and so"}, {"end": "02:03:44", "start": "02:03:41", "text": "forth, I'm still saying, \"Oh, this is"}, {"end": "02:03:44", "start": "02:03:43", "text": "crazy.\""}, {"end": "02:03:46", "start": "02:03:44", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:03:48", "start": "02:03:44", "text": "And the time travel stuff and and and"}, {"end": "02:03:51", "start": "02:03:46", "text": "possible like predictive programming and"}, {"end": "02:03:52", "start": "02:03:48", "text": "predictive programs is is so"}, {"end": "02:03:54", "start": "02:03:51", "text": "mind-boggling to me."}, {"end": "02:03:56", "start": "02:03:52", "text": "It is mindboggling, but it's also for me"}, {"end": "02:03:58", "start": "02:03:54", "text": "not that much of a stretch. Like the way"}, {"end": "02:04:01", "start": "02:03:56", "text": "that I see it is"}, {"end": "02:04:03", "start": "02:03:58", "text": "if you're manipulating gravity, okay, if"}, {"end": "02:04:05", "start": "02:04:01", "text": "you think UFOs are flying the way they"}, {"end": "02:04:09", "start": "02:04:03", "text": "are, because of some type of"}, {"end": "02:04:13", "start": "02:04:05", "text": "gravitational manipulation. Then you"}, {"end": "02:04:17", "start": "02:04:09", "text": "have to ipso facto you have to agree"}, {"end": "02:04:20", "start": "02:04:13", "text": "that time travel or the manipulation of"}, {"end": "02:04:22", "start": "02:04:17", "text": "time is at least possible because if"}, {"end": "02:04:24", "start": "02:04:20", "text": "you're manipulating space in a way where"}, {"end": "02:04:26", "start": "02:04:22", "text": "you're you know playing with gravity to"}, {"end": "02:04:28", "start": "02:04:24", "text": "that extent you are affecting time on"}, {"end": "02:04:30", "start": "02:04:26", "text": "some level whether it's only forward"}, {"end": "02:04:33", "start": "02:04:28", "text": "time travel whatever it is but time is"}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:30", "text": "being affected. So, for me, it's not"}, {"end": "02:04:37", "start": "02:04:33", "text": "that big of a stretch. You know, it's"}, {"end": "02:04:40", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "like saying, well, if these crafts are"}, {"end": "02:04:42", "start": "02:04:37", "text": "coming in from space, it's safe to"}, {"end": "02:04:44", "start": "02:04:40", "text": "assume that some of them are"}, {"end": "02:04:46", "start": "02:04:42", "text": "extraterrestrial. You know, people don't"}, {"end": "02:04:49", "start": "02:04:44", "text": "even want to go that far. But if you"}, {"end": "02:04:51", "start": "02:04:46", "text": "think that there are UFOs doing these,"}, {"end": "02:04:53", "start": "02:04:49", "text": "you know, darting maneuvers, then you"}, {"end": "02:04:54", "start": "02:04:51", "text": "have to jump to that. And if you're a"}, {"end": "02:04:56", "start": "02:04:53", "text": "military,"}, {"end": "02:04:57", "start": "02:04:54", "text": "you're going to that's the like you're"}, {"end": "02:04:59", "start": "02:04:56", "text": "going to be like, \"All right, how can we"}, {"end": "02:05:00", "start": "02:04:57", "text": "weaponize that?\" Like first thing you're"}, {"end": "02:05:01", "start": "02:04:59", "text": "going to see. Well, then what you're"}, {"end": "02:05:03", "start": "02:05:00", "text": "saying, you even have guys like Dan"}, {"end": "02:05:04", "start": "02:05:01", "text": "Barish who talk about the J-Rod being a"}, {"end": "02:05:04", "start": "02:05:03", "text": "a human."}, {"end": "02:05:07", "start": "02:05:04", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:05:08", "start": "02:05:04", "text": "54,000 years in the future."}, {"end": "02:05:11", "start": "02:05:07", "text": "So the the technology is possessed by"}, {"end": "02:05:13", "start": "02:05:08", "text": "non or I guess former humans or"}, {"end": "02:05:16", "start": "02:05:11", "text": "semihumans to travel back. That is the"}, {"end": "02:05:17", "start": "02:05:13", "text": "first thing that the spooks would try"}, {"end": "02:05:19", "start": "02:05:16", "text": "and capture."}, {"end": "02:05:22", "start": "02:05:17", "text": "Yeah. And it would definitely be an"}, {"end": "02:05:24", "start": "02:05:19", "text": "asset in controlling this uh certain"}, {"end": "02:05:25", "start": "02:05:22", "text": "timeline that they're trying to either"}, {"end": "02:05:26", "start": "02:05:24", "text": "prevent or make happen."}, {"end": "02:05:27", "start": "02:05:25", "text": "Well, because we were talking about it"}, {"end": "02:05:29", "start": "02:05:26", "text": "as well and u we were talking about"}, {"end": "02:05:31", "start": "02:05:27", "text": "Jesse speaking about it. the the show we"}, {"end": "02:05:32", "start": "02:05:29", "text": "all enjoy the Netflix German original"}, {"end": "02:05:33", "start": "02:05:31", "text": "dark"}, {"end": "02:05:35", "start": "02:05:32", "text": "the introduction of the bootstrap"}, {"end": "02:05:38", "start": "02:05:33", "text": "paradox how a character will travel back"}, {"end": "02:05:40", "start": "02:05:35", "text": "in time affected change and thus there's"}, {"end": "02:05:42", "start": "02:05:38", "text": "always been that that loop of change and"}, {"end": "02:05:44", "start": "02:05:40", "text": "that introduce like the the bootstrap"}, {"end": "02:05:46", "start": "02:05:42", "text": "paradox of of time travel then it gets"}, {"end": "02:05:47", "start": "02:05:44", "text": "into some really really really"}, {"end": "02:05:49", "start": "02:05:46", "text": "interesting kind of existential"}, {"end": "02:05:51", "start": "02:05:47", "text": "thoughts."}, {"end": "02:05:54", "start": "02:05:49", "text": "Yeah, it's hard for it's hard for the"}, {"end": "02:05:56", "start": "02:05:51", "text": "brain to conceive and maybe too much for"}, {"end": "02:05:58", "start": "02:05:54", "text": "our meager minds to handle but"}, {"end": "02:05:59", "start": "02:05:56", "text": "interesting nonetheless to discuss."}, {"end": "02:06:00", "start": "02:05:58", "text": "Yeah, the subject is so weird because"}, {"end": "02:06:02", "start": "02:05:59", "text": "the easiest thing to wrap your head"}, {"end": "02:06:05", "start": "02:06:00", "text": "around is"}, {"end": "02:06:08", "start": "02:06:02", "text": "nonhumans from another"}, {"end": "02:06:11", "start": "02:06:05", "text": "plane of existence, star system,"}, {"end": "02:06:12", "start": "02:06:08", "text": "parallel universe are flying in and"}, {"end": "02:06:15", "start": "02:06:11", "text": "either purposefully leaving their craft"}, {"end": "02:06:16", "start": "02:06:12", "text": "or being shot down or crashing via radar"}, {"end": "02:06:18", "start": "02:06:15", "text": "interference and that we recover the"}, {"end": "02:06:19", "start": "02:06:16", "text": "bodies. That's the easiest thing to wrap"}, {"end": "02:06:21", "start": "02:06:18", "text": "your head around in this space"}, {"end": "02:06:23", "start": "02:06:19", "text": "when you put it that way. Yeah,"}, {"end": "02:06:25", "start": "02:06:21", "text": "definitely. That's that's a wild thing."}, {"end": "02:06:27", "start": "02:06:23", "text": "like we're dealing with we're already"}, {"end": "02:06:29", "start": "02:06:25", "text": "like I always say this we're always"}, {"end": "02:06:32", "start": "02:06:27", "text": "dealing with an anomaly right in the in"}, {"end": "02:06:34", "start": "02:06:29", "text": "in the model is the model the anomaly is"}, {"end": "02:06:35", "start": "02:06:32", "text": "the phenomenon"}, {"end": "02:06:37", "start": "02:06:34", "text": "well then you get into the anomaly"}, {"end": "02:06:39", "start": "02:06:35", "text": "because you're studying anomalies"}, {"end": "02:06:41", "start": "02:06:37", "text": "and now there are an offshoot of a"}, {"end": "02:06:44", "start": "02:06:39", "text": "million other anomalies that you can't"}, {"end": "02:06:45", "start": "02:06:41", "text": "ignore because you how how how can you"}, {"end": "02:06:47", "start": "02:06:44", "text": "ignore an anomaly if you're looking at"}, {"end": "02:06:49", "start": "02:06:45", "text": "an anomaly already you got to be open"}, {"end": "02:06:50", "start": "02:06:47", "text": "and but that's where you open the"}, {"end": "02:06:52", "start": "02:06:49", "text": "floodgates and you're like where does"}, {"end": "02:06:54", "start": "02:06:50", "text": "this weirdness end with time traveling"}, {"end": "02:06:54", "start": "02:06:52", "text": "Nazis It's like what's going on here?"}, {"end": "02:06:56", "start": "02:06:54", "text": "You know,"}, {"end": "02:06:58", "start": "02:06:54", "text": "the Nazi the whole Nazi connection is"}, {"end": "02:07:01", "start": "02:06:56", "text": "really interesting too because at a very"}, {"end": "02:07:02", "start": "02:06:58", "text": "baseline access the we pulled off a"}, {"end": "02:07:04", "start": "02:07:01", "text": "knowledge of deep underground military"}, {"end": "02:07:06", "start": "02:07:02", "text": "bases from the Nazis and the Todd"}, {"end": "02:07:08", "start": "02:07:04", "text": "organization and um Xavier Dorsch and"}, {"end": "02:07:10", "start": "02:07:06", "text": "Hans Conler. But then there's probably"}, {"end": "02:07:12", "start": "02:07:08", "text": "that the Nazis had their own craft under"}, {"end": "02:07:14", "start": "02:07:10", "text": "Hans Conler who directed a ton of Nazi"}, {"end": "02:07:16", "start": "02:07:12", "text": "special weapons projects. And uh I can't"}, {"end": "02:07:20", "start": "02:07:14", "text": "remember the program name, but like"}, {"end": "02:07:22", "start": "02:07:16", "text": "under Mednik Hill, Czechoslovakia, it's"}, {"end": "02:07:24", "start": "02:07:20", "text": "a bunch of old Conler documents possibly"}, {"end": "02:07:26", "start": "02:07:22", "text": "hidden pertaining to UFOs and stuff. And"}, {"end": "02:07:28", "start": "02:07:24", "text": "then in the '9s, Los Alamos and I think"}, {"end": "02:07:29", "start": "02:07:26", "text": "it was Sandy or Lawrence Livermore had a"}, {"end": "02:07:32", "start": "02:07:28", "text": "team go back to Mednik Hill to try and"}, {"end": "02:07:33", "start": "02:07:29", "text": "recover um Conler's other documents."}, {"end": "02:07:34", "start": "02:07:32", "text": "Oh wow."}, {"end": "02:07:37", "start": "02:07:33", "text": "So maybe that loops in with the 1933"}, {"end": "02:07:39", "start": "02:07:34", "text": "Magenta crash. the magenta crash loops"}, {"end": "02:07:41", "start": "02:07:37", "text": "in with, you know, project um what was"}, {"end": "02:07:43", "start": "02:07:39", "text": "it? High jump and all these other things"}, {"end": "02:07:46", "start": "02:07:41", "text": "where they were went where they went to"}, {"end": "02:07:48", "start": "02:07:43", "text": "uh was it they went to"}, {"end": "02:07:48", "start": "02:07:46", "text": "um what's it called?"}, {"end": "02:07:50", "start": "02:07:48", "text": "Antarctica, right?"}, {"end": "02:07:51", "start": "02:07:48", "text": "They went to Antarctica to fetch"}, {"end": "02:07:52", "start": "02:07:50", "text": "margarine or something or some key"}, {"end": "02:07:54", "start": "02:07:51", "text": "ingredient for margarine was the cover"}, {"end": "02:07:54", "start": "02:07:52", "text": "story. Sent thousands of people there or"}, {"end": "02:07:56", "start": "02:07:54", "text": "whatever it was."}, {"end": "02:07:57", "start": "02:07:54", "text": "It's it's so intriguing. And where does"}, {"end": "02:07:59", "start": "02:07:56", "text": "the weirdness end and when does it"}, {"end": "02:08:01", "start": "02:07:57", "text": "start? You know, Bob Lazar talks about"}, {"end": "02:08:03", "start": "02:07:59", "text": "it and I know other people have talked"}, {"end": "02:08:05", "start": "02:08:01", "text": "about it. Craft foundering archa"}, {"end": "02:08:08", "start": "02:08:03", "text": "archaeological digs. Yeah, that actually"}, {"end": "02:08:11", "start": "02:08:05", "text": "is a question um that I wanted to bring"}, {"end": "02:08:13", "start": "02:08:08", "text": "up. What do you make of has has any"}, {"end": "02:08:17", "start": "02:08:11", "text": "testimony that you've uh that you've"}, {"end": "02:08:18", "start": "02:08:13", "text": "uncovered or anyone you've spoken to, is"}, {"end": "02:08:21", "start": "02:08:17", "text": "there anything that points to"}, {"end": "02:08:25", "start": "02:08:18", "text": "archaeological findings in that sense?"}, {"end": "02:08:28", "start": "02:08:21", "text": "Just the um 1991 deep sea recovery from"}, {"end": "02:08:29", "start": "02:08:25", "text": "um DSRV deep submergence rescue vehicle"}, {"end": "02:08:30", "start": "02:08:28", "text": "diver Mark who"}, {"end": "02:08:31", "start": "02:08:29", "text": "the triangle."}, {"end": "02:08:33", "start": "02:08:30", "text": "Yeah, the triangle that was there for"}, {"end": "02:08:34", "start": "02:08:31", "text": "like 40 years from a marine"}, {"end": "02:08:37", "start": "02:08:33", "text": "archaeologist. That's as far back as I"}, {"end": "02:08:39", "start": "02:08:34", "text": "know. And if that would have been 1951."}, {"end": "02:08:41", "start": "02:08:37", "text": "Yeah. It's not that far. No,"}, {"end": "02:08:43", "start": "02:08:39", "text": "it's not what, you know, even Bob Lazar"}, {"end": "02:08:46", "start": "02:08:41", "text": "what he said about um his craft"}, {"end": "02:08:48", "start": "02:08:43", "text": "potentially being an archaeological find"}, {"end": "02:08:49", "start": "02:08:46", "text": "10,000 years. You know,"}, {"end": "02:08:51", "start": "02:08:48", "text": "I've heard, you know, I've heard rumors,"}, {"end": "02:08:53", "start": "02:08:49", "text": "but it's all like public domain stuff."}, {"end": "02:08:55", "start": "02:08:51", "text": "You'll find on like um message boards"}, {"end": "02:08:57", "start": "02:08:53", "text": "above top secret, Reddit. Uh nothing"}, {"end": "02:08:58", "start": "02:08:55", "text": "tangible to chew on. But I am so"}, {"end": "02:08:59", "start": "02:08:57", "text": "fascinated by that."}, {"end": "02:09:02", "start": "02:08:58", "text": "Yeah. And the fact that like they don't"}, {"end": "02:09:03", "start": "02:08:59", "text": "have rust on them. There's there's no"}, {"end": "02:09:06", "start": "02:09:02", "text": "coral growing on them. There's nothing."}, {"end": "02:09:07", "start": "02:09:03", "text": "They're just pristine. Is crazy."}, {"end": "02:09:09", "start": "02:09:06", "text": "That's like the deep sea recovery craft."}, {"end": "02:09:10", "start": "02:09:07", "text": "This was on the ocean floor for 40"}, {"end": "02:09:12", "start": "02:09:09", "text": "years. There was just a bit of silt on"}, {"end": "02:09:13", "start": "02:09:10", "text": "it that had to be blown away. Thing was"}, {"end": "02:09:15", "start": "02:09:12", "text": "perfect."}, {"end": "02:09:17", "start": "02:09:13", "text": "Still retained shape. There was no"}, {"end": "02:09:20", "start": "02:09:15", "text": "weathering or erosion from waves and"}, {"end": "02:09:22", "start": "02:09:17", "text": "water on the actual glyphics marked into"}, {"end": "02:09:25", "start": "02:09:20", "text": "the sides. Still perfect."}, {"end": "02:09:26", "start": "02:09:22", "text": "Yeah. Wow. Fascinating stuff, man. I"}, {"end": "02:09:28", "start": "02:09:25", "text": "could talk to you for hours. Honestly,"}, {"end": "02:09:30", "start": "02:09:26", "text": "this is this is so interesting to me."}, {"end": "02:09:32", "start": "02:09:28", "text": "And one thing I do want to eventually"}, {"end": "02:09:36", "start": "02:09:30", "text": "talk about with you um and we can get"}, {"end": "02:09:39", "start": "02:09:32", "text": "into this uh at a later date is Aztec."}, {"end": "02:09:41", "start": "02:09:36", "text": "And I think you, myself and Jesse should"}, {"end": "02:09:43", "start": "02:09:39", "text": "get together and maybe do like a"}, {"end": "02:09:45", "start": "02:09:41", "text": "three-way podcast on Aztec because all"}, {"end": "02:09:46", "start": "02:09:43", "text": "three of us are heavily invested at this"}, {"end": "02:09:51", "start": "02:09:45", "text": "point. I know that you've been"}, {"end": "02:09:54", "start": "02:09:46", "text": "researching Aztec as have I as as uh"}, {"end": "02:09:58", "start": "02:09:51", "text": "Jesse has as well. Um and so yeah, there"}, {"end": "02:10:00", "start": "02:09:54", "text": "is, you know, a lot there. and a lot"}, {"end": "02:10:02", "start": "02:09:58", "text": "left to uncover surprisingly. You know,"}, {"end": "02:10:04", "start": "02:10:00", "text": "this was kind of swept away immediately"}, {"end": "02:10:06", "start": "02:10:02", "text": "as a hoax."}, {"end": "02:10:07", "start": "02:10:04", "text": "Um, successfully somehow"}, {"end": "02:10:10", "start": "02:10:06", "text": "multiple times as a hoax."}, {"end": "02:10:11", "start": "02:10:07", "text": "Yeah. And with great success, like"}, {"end": "02:10:13", "start": "02:10:10", "text": "resounding success. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:10:14", "start": "02:10:11", "text": "But, you know, hopefully us three will"}, {"end": "02:10:16", "start": "02:10:13", "text": "sit down and talk about this. There's"}, {"end": "02:10:17", "start": "02:10:14", "text": "way more than meets the eye."}, {"end": "02:10:19", "start": "02:10:16", "text": "There clearly is way more than meets the"}, {"end": "02:10:20", "start": "02:10:17", "text": "eye. It might be one of the most"}, {"end": "02:10:23", "start": "02:10:19", "text": "important retrievalss I think in"}, {"end": "02:10:27", "start": "02:10:20", "text": "history. Um due to you know what they"}, {"end": "02:10:28", "start": "02:10:23", "text": "did retrieve, where it went and you know"}, {"end": "02:10:31", "start": "02:10:27", "text": "and how the operation was conducted"}, {"end": "02:10:33", "start": "02:10:28", "text": "around discrediting witnesses that was"}, {"end": "02:10:36", "start": "02:10:31", "text": "like we said hyper successful"}, {"end": "02:10:38", "start": "02:10:33", "text": "discrediting witnesses and even you know"}, {"end": "02:10:41", "start": "02:10:36", "text": "uh paperwork all the paperwork the paper"}, {"end": "02:10:42", "start": "02:10:38", "text": "trail that that you know 200 plus people"}, {"end": "02:10:45", "start": "02:10:41", "text": "worked on."}, {"end": "02:10:47", "start": "02:10:42", "text": "Yeah. Um, yeah, we'll get into that at a"}, {"end": "02:10:48", "start": "02:10:45", "text": "later date because I do want to dive in,"}, {"end": "02:10:51", "start": "02:10:47", "text": "but I don't want to jump the gun because"}, {"end": "02:10:53", "start": "02:10:48", "text": "Jesse is working on a larger project and"}, {"end": "02:10:55", "start": "02:10:51", "text": "so are you. And so I'd love for those"}, {"end": "02:10:56", "start": "02:10:53", "text": "projects to be out there and then we can"}, {"end": "02:10:58", "start": "02:10:55", "text": "That' be a ton of fun."}, {"end": "02:11:00", "start": "02:10:56", "text": "Yeah, we can get together, maybe even"}, {"end": "02:11:02", "start": "02:10:58", "text": "bring in some other experts and and talk"}, {"end": "02:11:05", "start": "02:11:00", "text": "to them as well. That would be great."}, {"end": "02:11:06", "start": "02:11:02", "text": "Um, but now I want to jump into some"}, {"end": "02:11:07", "start": "02:11:05", "text": "questions from the audience. So if"}, {"end": "02:11:08", "start": "02:11:06", "text": "you're cool,"}, {"end": "02:11:10", "start": "02:11:07", "text": "yeah, if you're a member here, um, and"}, {"end": "02:11:11", "start": "02:11:08", "text": "part want to be part of the membership,"}, {"end": "02:11:13", "start": "02:11:10", "text": "it's five bucks a month. to get all"}, {"end": "02:11:15", "start": "02:11:11", "text": "sorts of perks, extra videos, yada yada,"}, {"end": "02:11:17", "start": "02:11:13", "text": "but you also get a chance to ask our"}, {"end": "02:11:19", "start": "02:11:15", "text": "guest a question, which I'll bring up"}, {"end": "02:11:20", "start": "02:11:17", "text": "now. I got to go turn on the camera back"}, {"end": "02:11:22", "start": "02:11:19", "text": "here."}, {"end": "02:11:23", "start": "02:11:20", "text": "Great questions, by the way, from our"}, {"end": "02:11:25", "start": "02:11:22", "text": "audience members. Our audience members"}, {"end": "02:11:30", "start": "02:11:23", "text": "are absolute"}, {"end": "02:11:31", "start": "02:11:25", "text": "geniuses. They're crazy well uh informed"}, {"end": "02:11:33", "start": "02:11:30", "text": "and probably know a lot more than I do"}, {"end": "02:11:34", "start": "02:11:31", "text": "about a lot of this stuff, which I'm"}, {"end": "02:11:37", "start": "02:11:33", "text": "always impressed uh seeing their"}, {"end": "02:11:37", "start": "02:11:34", "text": "questions."}, {"end": "02:11:46", "start": "02:11:40", "text": "Oh, that's really cool."}, {"end": "02:11:50", "start": "02:11:44", "text": "What's one UAP claim or whistleblower"}, {"end": "02:11:52", "start": "02:11:46", "text": "detail you used to believe but now think"}, {"end": "02:11:54", "start": "02:11:50", "text": "was false or misleading by a Irons?"}, {"end": "02:11:57", "start": "02:11:52", "text": "Oh, A Irons. That's a great question."}, {"end": "02:12:00", "start": "02:11:54", "text": "Uh, one of them might be uh gosh, I'm"}, {"end": "02:12:04", "start": "02:11:57", "text": "trying to think. Um, a guy named Derek"}, {"end": "02:12:06", "start": "02:12:00", "text": "Hennessy gave all sorts of claims into u"}, {"end": "02:12:09", "start": "02:12:04", "text": "being at S4 and doing work there. It was"}, {"end": "02:12:11", "start": "02:12:06", "text": "an in an old Wendell Stevens documentary"}, {"end": "02:12:13", "start": "02:12:09", "text": "like the S4 files. This guy claimed to"}, {"end": "02:12:16", "start": "02:12:11", "text": "be at S4 that he ran into Cheney at S4"}, {"end": "02:12:19", "start": "02:12:13", "text": "that he interfaced with like a you know"}, {"end": "02:12:21", "start": "02:12:16", "text": "a female non-human entity down in the"}, {"end": "02:12:23", "start": "02:12:19", "text": "basement of S4, but that he also claimed"}, {"end": "02:12:24", "start": "02:12:21", "text": "to be like a super secret Navy Seal. And"}, {"end": "02:12:27", "start": "02:12:23", "text": "I actually got together with um like Don"}, {"end": "02:12:29", "start": "02:12:24", "text": "Shipley, you know, the the Navy Seal guy"}, {"end": "02:12:30", "start": "02:12:27", "text": "and tried to find anything I could about"}, {"end": "02:12:32", "start": "02:12:29", "text": "this guy's background and a lot of it"}, {"end": "02:12:34", "start": "02:12:30", "text": "seemed to be falsified. So that is that"}, {"end": "02:12:37", "start": "02:12:32", "text": "is one Derek Hennessy. He also went by"}, {"end": "02:12:39", "start": "02:12:34", "text": "the name uh I think it was Ryan O' Conor"}, {"end": "02:12:42", "start": "02:12:37", "text": "the pseudonym. If you look up uh Wendell"}, {"end": "02:12:43", "start": "02:12:39", "text": "Stevens like uh S4 files on YouTube that"}, {"end": "02:12:45", "start": "02:12:42", "text": "you will probably find it there, but"}, {"end": "02:12:47", "start": "02:12:43", "text": "that's one that I I simply could not"}, {"end": "02:12:48", "start": "02:12:45", "text": "find any corroborating evidence on."}, {"end": "02:12:49", "start": "02:12:47", "text": "Very cool."}, {"end": "02:12:53", "start": "02:12:48", "text": "Trying to think if there's one more off"}, {"end": "02:12:56", "start": "02:12:49", "text": "the top of my head. Um there there was"}, {"end": "02:12:57", "start": "02:12:53", "text": "one that I found actually um well that I"}, {"end": "02:13:02", "start": "02:12:56", "text": "found this was pointed out to me by"}, {"end": "02:13:05", "start": "02:12:57", "text": "Scott Ramsey u on the 2017"}, {"end": "02:13:08", "start": "02:13:02", "text": "um uh MJ12 leak."}, {"end": "02:13:10", "start": "02:13:05", "text": "Yes. Yes. That is nonsense. That was"}, {"end": "02:13:12", "start": "02:13:08", "text": "that basically retells the story of"}, {"end": "02:13:13", "start": "02:13:10", "text": "Steinman. Yeah. And that this"}, {"end": "02:13:16", "start": "02:13:12", "text": "Yeah. There's a paragraph in there that"}, {"end": "02:13:19", "start": "02:13:13", "text": "was literally taken from Steman's book."}, {"end": "02:13:20", "start": "02:13:16", "text": "And in that paragraph, Steman had made a"}, {"end": "02:13:22", "start": "02:13:19", "text": "mistake. Mhm."}, {"end": "02:13:23", "start": "02:13:20", "text": "in saying where the crash happened. He's"}, {"end": "02:13:25", "start": "02:13:22", "text": "like, \"Oh, it happened between here,"}, {"end": "02:13:26", "start": "02:13:23", "text": "here, and here.\" And he got one of those"}, {"end": "02:13:27", "start": "02:13:25", "text": "things wrong. So, they actually"}, {"end": "02:13:29", "start": "02:13:26", "text": "plagiarized that."}, {"end": "02:13:31", "start": "02:13:27", "text": "Yeah. And that's supposedly an MJ12 leak"}, {"end": "02:13:33", "start": "02:13:29", "text": "that came out in 2017. Very few people"}, {"end": "02:13:35", "start": "02:13:31", "text": "know about that. I've I've wanted to get"}, {"end": "02:13:37", "start": "02:13:33", "text": "in contact with the the woman who"}, {"end": "02:13:38", "start": "02:13:35", "text": "supposedly said that uh you know, it was"}, {"end": "02:13:40", "start": "02:13:37", "text": "leaked to her from a trusted source."}, {"end": "02:13:42", "start": "02:13:38", "text": "Yeah. But yes, I agree with you that"}, {"end": "02:13:44", "start": "02:13:40", "text": "that document is nonsense."}, {"end": "02:13:46", "start": "02:13:42", "text": "Yeah. Complete nonsense. doing the uh I"}, {"end": "02:13:48", "start": "02:13:44", "text": "I debated doing a read through of the"}, {"end": "02:13:49", "start": "02:13:46", "text": "cuz we do a lot of readroughs with like"}, {"end": "02:13:51", "start": "02:13:48", "text": "entity interactions"}, {"end": "02:13:53", "start": "02:13:49", "text": "and there is like the EBE who speaks but"}, {"end": "02:13:56", "start": "02:13:51", "text": "it it reads like an Abbott and Castello"}, {"end": "02:13:57", "start": "02:13:53", "text": "bit like it's so cheeky and and"}, {"end": "02:14:00", "start": "02:13:56", "text": "of Tesla and stuff."}, {"end": "02:14:02", "start": "02:13:57", "text": "Yeah. And and um is of pines which again"}, {"end": "02:14:04", "start": "02:14:00", "text": "like some of that stuff could be true as"}, {"end": "02:14:06", "start": "02:14:02", "text": "well. You know, if you were making some"}, {"end": "02:14:08", "start": "02:14:04", "text": "disinformation stuff"}, {"end": "02:14:10", "start": "02:14:06", "text": "and putting it out there to discredit"}, {"end": "02:14:12", "start": "02:14:08", "text": "Aztec, which I I think is a valid thing"}, {"end": "02:14:14", "start": "02:14:10", "text": "to do if you're them to want to"}, {"end": "02:14:15", "start": "02:14:12", "text": "discredit it even further,"}, {"end": "02:14:16", "start": "02:14:14", "text": "you would make it so ludicrous and out"}, {"end": "02:14:19", "start": "02:14:15", "text": "there that people would find it and"}, {"end": "02:14:21", "start": "02:14:16", "text": "discredit it. But maybe you'll throw in"}, {"end": "02:14:22", "start": "02:14:19", "text": "some truth there so that people just"}, {"end": "02:14:23", "start": "02:14:21", "text": "throw that out too. Throw the baby out"}, {"end": "02:14:24", "start": "02:14:22", "text": "with the bath water."}, {"end": "02:14:27", "start": "02:14:23", "text": "And especially with the work of the"}, {"end": "02:14:29", "start": "02:14:24", "text": "Ramsies reigniting some interest in the"}, {"end": "02:14:31", "start": "02:14:27", "text": "case. Hey, look as Aztecs in the"}, {"end": "02:14:34", "start": "02:14:29", "text": "majestic documents can't be true."}, {"end": "02:14:36", "start": "02:14:31", "text": "Nonsense. But that majestic document is"}, {"end": "02:14:38", "start": "02:14:34", "text": "terrible. It's like it's PIA document"}, {"end": "02:14:39", "start": "02:14:36", "text": "and it reads like the Project Aquarius"}, {"end": "02:14:40", "start": "02:14:38", "text": "document."}, {"end": "02:14:41", "start": "02:14:39", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. It's a little too"}, {"end": "02:14:42", "start": "02:14:40", "text": "far-fetched."}, {"end": "02:14:42", "start": "02:14:41", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:14:44", "start": "02:14:42", "text": "All right."}, {"end": "02:14:47", "start": "02:14:42", "text": "That's a great question. It"}, {"end": "02:14:47", "start": "02:14:44", "text": "is a great question."}, {"end": "02:14:56", "start": "02:14:50", "text": "Great question."}, {"end": "02:14:56", "start": "02:14:53", "text": "Stan B."}, {"end": "02:15:01", "start": "02:14:57", "text": "What's the most convincing clue you've"}, {"end": "02:15:04", "start": "02:14:59", "text": "uncovered that there's actually a there"}, {"end": "02:15:06", "start": "02:15:01", "text": "there regarding NHI? Stani,"}, {"end": "02:15:10", "start": "02:15:04", "text": "regarding NHI specifically?"}, {"end": "02:15:12", "start": "02:15:06", "text": "Yeah. And clue could just be like a Oh,"}, {"end": "02:15:16", "start": "02:15:10", "text": "interesting fact."}, {"end": "02:15:19", "start": "02:15:12", "text": "H that's a good question, too."}, {"end": "02:15:22", "start": "02:15:16", "text": "Uh"}, {"end": "02:15:23", "start": "02:15:19", "text": "other than like a witness telling you"}, {"end": "02:15:24", "start": "02:15:22", "text": "that. Yeah, that's what that's what I'm"}, {"end": "02:15:26", "start": "02:15:23", "text": "trying to think. Like a public domain"}, {"end": "02:15:27", "start": "02:15:24", "text": "clue. Um,"}, {"end": "02:15:29", "start": "02:15:26", "text": "is there something that isn't public"}, {"end": "02:15:30", "start": "02:15:27", "text": "domain that"}, {"end": "02:15:31", "start": "02:15:29", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"end": "02:15:34", "start": "02:15:30", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:15:37", "start": "02:15:31", "text": "Yeah. Okay. Public domain. Let me think"}, {"end": "02:15:38", "start": "02:15:34", "text": "cuz that's actually it it could be crash"}, {"end": "02:15:41", "start": "02:15:37", "text": "retrievals just like we talked about"}, {"end": "02:15:42", "start": "02:15:38", "text": "with the Aztec case. That's a I I put a"}, {"end": "02:15:44", "start": "02:15:41", "text": "lot of stock into that case and the"}, {"end": "02:15:48", "start": "02:15:42", "text": "description of nonhumans,"}, {"end": "02:15:50", "start": "02:15:44", "text": "but also uh I wouldn't say direct clue,"}, {"end": "02:15:52", "start": "02:15:48", "text": "but piecing together the work of of"}, {"end": "02:15:54", "start": "02:15:50", "text": "Patel Memorial Institute in UFO crash"}, {"end": "02:15:55", "start": "02:15:52", "text": "retrievals and then their work in the"}, {"end": "02:15:58", "start": "02:15:54", "text": "actual like um"}, {"end": "02:16:01", "start": "02:15:55", "text": "CBRNE chemical biological radiological"}, {"end": "02:16:03", "start": "02:15:58", "text": "nuclear work for various FFRDC's at like"}, {"end": "02:16:06", "start": "02:16:01", "text": "Fort Dietrich, Maryland and so forth."}, {"end": "02:16:07", "start": "02:16:03", "text": "So, I think like a a network of clues is"}, {"end": "02:16:10", "start": "02:16:06", "text": "probably more concise for me in terms of"}, {"end": "02:16:11", "start": "02:16:07", "text": "of of nonhuman, but also like we talked"}, {"end": "02:16:13", "start": "02:16:10", "text": "about Robert Sarbacher talking about the"}, {"end": "02:16:14", "start": "02:16:11", "text": "mantises as well. I put a ton of"}, {"end": "02:16:17", "start": "02:16:13", "text": "credence into that and he directly"}, {"end": "02:16:19", "start": "02:16:14", "text": "states these are non he doesn't say"}, {"end": "02:16:20", "start": "02:16:17", "text": "non-human but mantises. And then Bob"}, {"end": "02:16:22", "start": "02:16:19", "text": "Echeler as well who talked to Bobby Ray"}, {"end": "02:16:24", "start": "02:16:20", "text": "Inman in an interview he did following"}, {"end": "02:16:26", "start": "02:16:22", "text": "his 89 phone call. He says the exact"}, {"end": "02:16:28", "start": "02:16:24", "text": "phrase non-human intelligence too. So"}, {"end": "02:16:32", "start": "02:16:26", "text": "that's another one I'd say. I'd say"}, {"end": "02:16:34", "start": "02:16:28", "text": "Aztec. I would say Battel. I would say"}, {"end": "02:16:35", "start": "02:16:32", "text": "um Bob Echler and then I would say"}, {"end": "02:16:37", "start": "02:16:34", "text": "Sarbacher are probably the the biggest"}, {"end": "02:16:39", "start": "02:16:35", "text": "ones, especially Sarbacher. If the"}, {"end": "02:16:40", "start": "02:16:37", "text": "audience isn't familiar with Robert"}, {"end": "02:16:42", "start": "02:16:39", "text": "Sarbacher, please go read a bit more"}, {"end": "02:16:43", "start": "02:16:40", "text": "about him. You could find almost nothing"}, {"end": "02:16:46", "start": "02:16:42", "text": "online."}, {"end": "02:16:49", "start": "02:16:43", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. I would also add to that Bob"}, {"end": "02:16:51", "start": "02:16:46", "text": "Lazar. Um you know, the fact that they"}, {"end": "02:16:51", "start": "02:16:49", "text": "had tiny little seats on this craft."}, {"end": "02:16:53", "start": "02:16:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:16:56", "start": "02:16:51", "text": "I mean, even not, you know, necessarily"}, {"end": "02:16:57", "start": "02:16:53", "text": "maybe even seeing the the NHI, but just"}, {"end": "02:16:59", "start": "02:16:56", "text": "having little seats or their little"}, {"end": "02:17:02", "start": "02:16:57", "text": "butts. these guys little butts here"}, {"end": "02:17:06", "start": "02:16:59", "text": "sitting down. I think for me that's like"}, {"end": "02:17:07", "start": "02:17:02", "text": "a big clue that hey something else is"}, {"end": "02:17:09", "start": "02:17:06", "text": "three foot tall human."}, {"end": "02:17:11", "start": "02:17:07", "text": "Yeah, exactly. Unless they're actual"}, {"end": "02:17:13", "start": "02:17:09", "text": "children piloting these human children,"}, {"end": "02:17:17", "start": "02:17:11", "text": "which I doubt, you know."}, {"end": "02:17:21", "start": "02:17:13", "text": "Okay, let's get another one here."}, {"end": "02:17:21", "start": "02:17:17", "text": "This is cool."}, {"end": "02:17:25", "start": "02:17:22", "text": "Great question by Gina."}, {"end": "02:17:31", "start": "02:17:26", "text": "What is the one topic you haven't"}, {"end": "02:17:33", "start": "02:17:28", "text": "covered yet that intrigues you the most?"}, {"end": "02:17:36", "start": "02:17:31", "text": "Nazis and UFOs."}, {"end": "02:17:38", "start": "02:17:33", "text": "100%. I've done Nazis and dums. I've"}, {"end": "02:17:40", "start": "02:17:36", "text": "done the magenta crash, but Nazi actual"}, {"end": "02:17:42", "start": "02:17:38", "text": "efforts to uh study non-human technology"}, {"end": "02:17:44", "start": "02:17:40", "text": "like DLOA."}, {"end": "02:17:45", "start": "02:17:42", "text": "Do you find a connection between DLOA"}, {"end": "02:17:46", "start": "02:17:44", "text": "and the Cexburg"}, {"end": "02:17:47", "start": "02:17:45", "text": "in terms of shape and morphology?"}, {"end": "02:17:49", "start": "02:17:46", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"end": "02:17:50", "start": "02:17:47", "text": "Yeah. Shape, morphology, and even even"}, {"end": "02:17:50", "start": "02:17:49", "text": "um symbols."}, {"end": "02:17:51", "start": "02:17:50", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "02:17:52", "start": "02:17:50", "text": "Yeah. Seems like"}, {"end": "02:17:55", "start": "02:17:51", "text": "because it looks like there was a lot of"}, {"end": "02:17:57", "start": "02:17:52", "text": "at least the a lot of Nazi icon"}, {"end": "02:17:58", "start": "02:17:55", "text": "iconography. Yeah. Swastikasikas, other"}, {"end": "02:18:00", "start": "02:17:57", "text": "other symbols. And of course, you'd"}, {"end": "02:18:02", "start": "02:17:58", "text": "expect volunteer firemen at Kexburg to"}, {"end": "02:18:04", "start": "02:18:00", "text": "recognize swastikas. So maybe it was of"}, {"end": "02:18:05", "start": "02:18:02", "text": "course Nazis were into occult practices."}, {"end": "02:18:08", "start": "02:18:04", "text": "This could have been some sort of"}, {"end": "02:18:10", "start": "02:18:05", "text": "Sanskrit kind of archaic writing system"}, {"end": "02:18:11", "start": "02:18:08", "text": "that was used to decorate such a a"}, {"end": "02:18:12", "start": "02:18:10", "text": "device."}, {"end": "02:18:14", "start": "02:18:11", "text": "Yeah, sure."}, {"end": "02:18:16", "start": "02:18:12", "text": "But that that's a good question. I'm"}, {"end": "02:18:20", "start": "02:18:14", "text": "trying to think what else because my"}, {"end": "02:18:22", "start": "02:18:16", "text": "mind immediately goes to Oh, uh Zodiac."}, {"end": "02:18:23", "start": "02:18:20", "text": "Zodiac is covered by Dolan and SGE"}, {"end": "02:18:24", "start": "02:18:22", "text": "Masters. That's another one."}, {"end": "02:18:28", "start": "02:18:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:18:31", "start": "02:18:24", "text": "But as far as topic, um"}, {"end": "02:18:33", "start": "02:18:28", "text": "gosh, I I would have to say the Nazis."}, {"end": "02:18:35", "start": "02:18:31", "text": "Is there anything"}, {"end": "02:18:37", "start": "02:18:33", "text": "regarding the moon that intrigues you?"}, {"end": "02:18:39", "start": "02:18:35", "text": "Oh, absolutely. Like a non-human"}, {"end": "02:18:40", "start": "02:18:37", "text": "presence on the moon, but I don't know"}, {"end": "02:18:42", "start": "02:18:39", "text": "where to begin with that research."}, {"end": "02:18:44", "start": "02:18:40", "text": "Yeah, because it also ties into Nazis"}, {"end": "02:18:47", "start": "02:18:42", "text": "perhaps and it ties into remote viewing."}, {"end": "02:18:50", "start": "02:18:44", "text": "It ties into the moon landing. It ties"}, {"end": "02:18:52", "start": "02:18:47", "text": "into like all these like strange"}, {"end": "02:18:55", "start": "02:18:50", "text": "and then stories of Apollo astronauts uh"}, {"end": "02:18:57", "start": "02:18:52", "text": "filming UFOs or being tailed by UFOs."}, {"end": "02:18:58", "start": "02:18:55", "text": "There's a lot there that I just don't"}, {"end": "02:19:00", "start": "02:18:57", "text": "know how to dive into that."}, {"end": "02:19:01", "start": "02:18:58", "text": "Have you ever seen the Simkinson NASA"}, {"end": "02:19:02", "start": "02:19:00", "text": "archive photo?"}, {"end": "02:19:02", "start": "02:19:01", "text": "Uh-uh."}, {"end": "02:19:04", "start": "02:19:02", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "02:19:05", "start": "02:19:02", "text": "Oh, is that on the moon? The the"}, {"end": "02:19:07", "start": "02:19:04", "text": "triangular lights?"}, {"end": "02:19:09", "start": "02:19:05", "text": "No, this is the Gemini 11 flight that"}, {"end": "02:19:12", "start": "02:19:07", "text": "took a picture of a UFO and they they"}, {"end": "02:19:13", "start": "02:19:09", "text": "pulled it. They retracted it."}, {"end": "02:19:14", "start": "02:19:12", "text": "No, I don't think so."}, {"end": "02:19:15", "start": "02:19:13", "text": "Dude, wait here. This is going to blow"}, {"end": "02:19:16", "start": "02:19:14", "text": "your mind if you haven't seen this. No,"}, {"end": "02:19:18", "start": "02:19:15", "text": "I would love to."}, {"end": "02:19:20", "start": "02:19:16", "text": "I bought the book. It's massive and it's"}, {"end": "02:19:22", "start": "02:19:18", "text": "it's all about this one photo."}, {"end": "02:19:26", "start": "02:19:20", "text": "I don't think I've heard of this at all."}, {"end": "02:19:26", "start": "02:19:22", "text": "The whole book is about one photo."}, {"end": "02:19:34", "start": "02:19:30", "text": "Unclassified story of the"}, {"end": "02:19:37", "start": "02:19:32", "text": "That's the photo there."}, {"end": "02:19:39", "start": "02:19:34", "text": "This is the photo."}, {"end": "02:19:41", "start": "02:19:37", "text": "I thought that had to be like a a"}, {"end": "02:19:43", "start": "02:19:39", "text": "rendering because that's a definitive"}, {"end": "02:19:46", "start": "02:19:41", "text": "saucer with a top cap like sports model."}, {"end": "02:19:48", "start": "02:19:43", "text": "Yeah. What does he where this is all"}, {"end": "02:19:50", "start": "02:19:46", "text": "about the program, all about like the"}, {"end": "02:19:55", "start": "02:19:48", "text": "flight, but then at the end"}, {"end": "02:19:58", "start": "02:19:50", "text": "he gets into like the the actual"}, {"end": "02:20:00", "start": "02:19:55", "text": "um the actual photo and and and and"}, {"end": "02:20:02", "start": "02:19:58", "text": "there's like, you know, ran it through a"}, {"end": "02:20:04", "start": "02:20:00", "text": "bunch of different tests and it has all"}, {"end": "02:20:07", "start": "02:20:02", "text": "the test results here, but even like"}, {"end": "02:20:08", "start": "02:20:04", "text": "down to the pixels. I have never heard"}, {"end": "02:20:09", "start": "02:20:07", "text": "of this photo."}, {"end": "02:20:10", "start": "02:20:08", "text": "It's a wild photo, dude."}, {"end": "02:20:14", "start": "02:20:09", "text": "What the heck?"}, {"end": "02:20:14", "start": "02:20:10", "text": "Yeah. Look. And this was taken by Gemini"}, {"end": "02:20:17", "start": "02:20:14", "text": "11."}, {"end": "02:20:21", "start": "02:20:14", "text": "Yep. And that was the other paper that"}, {"end": "02:20:23", "start": "02:20:17", "text": "they released, but you can find"}, {"end": "02:20:26", "start": "02:20:21", "text": "uh certain things that like leaked"}, {"end": "02:20:29", "start": "02:20:23", "text": "through on the copy that tie into the"}, {"end": "02:20:31", "start": "02:20:26", "text": "initial photo. So, it is one of those"}, {"end": "02:20:33", "start": "02:20:29", "text": "really really wild ones. This was"}, {"end": "02:20:35", "start": "02:20:31", "text": "actually"}, {"end": "02:20:36", "start": "02:20:33", "text": "um"}, {"end": "02:20:38", "start": "02:20:35", "text": "Hold on. There's some Yeah, there's"}, {"end": "02:20:39", "start": "02:20:36", "text": "there's like a full page photo here"}, {"end": "02:20:42", "start": "02:20:38", "text": "somewhere that you can see, but look at"}, {"end": "02:20:44", "start": "02:20:39", "text": "it. Whoa. That's Yeah, that's not like a"}, {"end": "02:20:46", "start": "02:20:42", "text": "thermal blanket like a lot of uh Yeah."}, {"end": "02:20:48", "start": "02:20:44", "text": "space trash like UFO photos, possibly"}, {"end": "02:20:50", "start": "02:20:46", "text": "the Black Knight satellite are."}, {"end": "02:20:51", "start": "02:20:48", "text": "It's like one of the best UFO photos"}, {"end": "02:20:53", "start": "02:20:50", "text": "I've ever seen."}, {"end": "02:20:55", "start": "02:20:51", "text": "I have don't know how I've never heard"}, {"end": "02:20:57", "start": "02:20:53", "text": "of this. Have any of the astronauts"}, {"end": "02:20:57", "start": "02:20:55", "text": "spoken on or given testimony about the"}, {"end": "02:20:59", "start": "02:20:57", "text": "image?"}, {"end": "02:21:01", "start": "02:20:57", "text": "You know what? I I don't think so, but I"}, {"end": "02:21:03", "start": "02:20:59", "text": "haven't read this entire thing. I picked"}, {"end": "02:21:04", "start": "02:21:01", "text": "it up. I was, you know, always meant to"}, {"end": "02:21:06", "start": "02:21:03", "text": "read through it. I find myself like"}, {"end": "02:21:07", "start": "02:21:04", "text": "thumbming through it and looking at"}, {"end": "02:21:10", "start": "02:21:06", "text": "certain things, but I don't know enough"}, {"end": "02:21:11", "start": "02:21:07", "text": "about it. But the photo itself intrigued"}, {"end": "02:21:13", "start": "02:21:10", "text": "me as you can tell. Like I mean it's"}, {"end": "02:21:15", "start": "02:21:11", "text": "it's an impressive photo."}, {"end": "02:21:16", "start": "02:21:13", "text": "That's wicked cool. When did this book"}, {"end": "02:21:16", "start": "02:21:15", "text": "come out?"}, {"end": "02:21:17", "start": "02:21:16", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "02:21:19", "start": "02:21:16", "text": "Oh, there's transcript."}, {"end": "02:21:22", "start": "02:21:17", "text": "Too long ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No,"}, {"end": "02:21:23", "start": "02:21:19", "text": "there's like there's like um other"}, {"end": "02:21:24", "start": "02:21:22", "text": "documentation."}, {"end": "02:21:26", "start": "02:21:23", "text": "Um Whoa."}, {"end": "02:21:29", "start": "02:21:24", "text": "Yeah, there's I mean it goes into great"}, {"end": "02:21:32", "start": "02:21:26", "text": "great detail about not only the program,"}, {"end": "02:21:34", "start": "02:21:29", "text": "but the photo uh and and then some like"}, {"end": "02:21:36", "start": "02:21:32", "text": "like look at this."}, {"end": "02:21:38", "start": "02:21:34", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "02:21:40", "start": "02:21:36", "text": "spectronomy and sort of like the color"}, {"end": "02:21:42", "start": "02:21:38", "text": "levels showing that it was never"}, {"end": "02:21:44", "start": "02:21:40", "text": "tampered with that that photo is not"}, {"end": "02:21:47", "start": "02:21:42", "text": "photoshopped or anything like that is"}, {"end": "02:21:49", "start": "02:21:44", "text": "yeah and then yeah so"}, {"end": "02:21:51", "start": "02:21:47", "text": "I have never heard of this"}, {"end": "02:21:52", "start": "02:21:49", "text": "pretty cool right"}, {"end": "02:21:53", "start": "02:21:51", "text": "that is incredible"}, {"end": "02:21:54", "start": "02:21:52", "text": "maybe something for you to dive in on"}, {"end": "02:21:57", "start": "02:21:53", "text": "eventually"}, {"end": "02:21:58", "start": "02:21:54", "text": "here's uh here's a full pager here boom"}, {"end": "02:21:59", "start": "02:21:57", "text": "wow"}, {"end": "02:22:02", "start": "02:21:58", "text": "that's what the photo would look like"}, {"end": "02:22:03", "start": "02:21:59", "text": "that's a saucer right"}, {"end": "02:22:05", "start": "02:22:02", "text": "it even looks like there's some sort of"}, {"end": "02:22:07", "start": "02:22:03", "text": "patternality to the little I don't know"}, {"end": "02:22:08", "start": "02:22:05", "text": "if it's heights are kind of like a"}, {"end": "02:22:10", "start": "02:22:07", "text": "port holes or something."}, {"end": "02:22:12", "start": "02:22:08", "text": "Port comb. It looks like Yeah,"}, {"end": "02:22:14", "start": "02:22:10", "text": "there's a there's a famous picture that"}, {"end": "02:22:17", "start": "02:22:12", "text": "was out on the internet that had like a"}, {"end": "02:22:19", "start": "02:22:14", "text": "similarity to that. Uh it was like in a"}, {"end": "02:22:21", "start": "02:22:17", "text": "cloud. Maybe you've seen that one"}, {"end": "02:22:22", "start": "02:22:19", "text": "before. You ever see that one?"}, {"end": "02:22:24", "start": "02:22:21", "text": "Yeah, I have seen that. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:22:24", "start": "02:22:22", "text": "Very similar."}, {"end": "02:22:26", "start": "02:22:24", "text": "That is."}, {"end": "02:22:28", "start": "02:22:24", "text": "Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. Maybe"}, {"end": "02:22:30", "start": "02:22:26", "text": "something to look into eventually. But"}, {"end": "02:22:31", "start": "02:22:28", "text": "there you go. Everybody who's on the"}, {"end": "02:22:32", "start": "02:22:30", "text": "program."}, {"end": "02:22:33", "start": "02:22:31", "text": "That's neat."}, {"end": "02:22:36", "start": "02:22:32", "text": "Pretty neat, right? No, that's that I"}, {"end": "02:22:38", "start": "02:22:33", "text": "mean that just goes to show the like the"}, {"end": "02:22:40", "start": "02:22:36", "text": "amount of information and and level of"}, {"end": "02:22:41", "start": "02:22:38", "text": "knowledge in this subject. Like I' I've"}, {"end": "02:22:45", "start": "02:22:40", "text": "never heard of this."}, {"end": "02:22:48", "start": "02:22:41", "text": "Yeah. Cool. Simpson NASA archived UFO uh"}, {"end": "02:22:49", "start": "02:22:45", "text": "by Ed Wilson. It is not super readily"}, {"end": "02:22:50", "start": "02:22:48", "text": "available. This thing cost me a couple"}, {"end": "02:22:51", "start": "02:22:49", "text": "hundred bucks."}, {"end": "02:22:53", "start": "02:22:50", "text": "Steman's book."}, {"end": "02:22:55", "start": "02:22:51", "text": "Yeah, exactly. It's hard to find. Uh not"}, {"end": "02:22:58", "start": "02:22:53", "text": "everywhere. Uh all right, we got one"}, {"end": "02:22:59", "start": "02:22:55", "text": "more question and this is actually from"}, {"end": "02:23:03", "start": "02:22:58", "text": "my buddy Luigi."}, {"end": "02:23:06", "start": "02:22:59", "text": "Oh, nice. Luigi Vanitelli, the director"}, {"end": "02:23:09", "start": "02:23:03", "text": "and creator of Bbazar S4, the Bazar"}, {"end": "02:23:09", "start": "02:23:06", "text": "story."}, {"end": "02:23:16", "start": "02:23:13", "text": "Wait, is this the one?"}, {"end": "02:23:17", "start": "02:23:14", "text": "What's this one? Which one did I put up?"}, {"end": "02:23:19", "start": "02:23:16", "text": "Have you ever come across anyone who's"}, {"end": "02:23:20", "start": "02:23:17", "text": "mentioned an installation near Papoose"}, {"end": "02:23:22", "start": "02:23:19", "text": "Lake?"}, {"end": "02:23:24", "start": "02:23:20", "text": "Yes, Luigi. Two people, two people"}, {"end": "02:23:27", "start": "02:23:22", "text": "independent from Bob who have told me"}, {"end": "02:23:30", "start": "02:23:24", "text": "they have been to S4. One such person,"}, {"end": "02:23:32", "start": "02:23:27", "text": "uh, this was like 2009 to 2013. they"}, {"end": "02:23:34", "start": "02:23:30", "text": "were in the US Army. They said they went"}, {"end": "02:23:37", "start": "02:23:32", "text": "to a site just south of Groom Lake near"}, {"end": "02:23:40", "start": "02:23:34", "text": "Papoose Lake uh S4, but there's al he"}, {"end": "02:23:43", "start": "02:23:37", "text": "said there's also like other places"}, {"end": "02:23:45", "start": "02:23:40", "text": "called S4 as like a storage depot in"}, {"end": "02:23:47", "start": "02:23:43", "text": "other installations like Tonapa Range,"}, {"end": "02:23:50", "start": "02:23:45", "text": "but there is an auxiliary site just"}, {"end": "02:23:51", "start": "02:23:47", "text": "south of Groom Lake. Um he drove there."}, {"end": "02:23:53", "start": "02:23:50", "text": "He didn't go to any of the underground"}, {"end": "02:23:55", "start": "02:23:51", "text": "floors or see any UFO stuff, but he did"}, {"end": "02:23:57", "start": "02:23:53", "text": "comment on the red and blue lines that"}, {"end": "02:23:58", "start": "02:23:55", "text": "told you where somebody could walk and"}, {"end": "02:24:00", "start": "02:23:57", "text": "where another person could go. That's"}, {"end": "02:24:00", "start": "02:23:58", "text": "from Dan Burish."}, {"end": "02:24:03", "start": "02:24:00", "text": "Uhhuh."}, {"end": "02:24:04", "start": "02:24:00", "text": "Yeah. That's not something I don't think"}, {"end": "02:24:06", "start": "02:24:03", "text": "that's something Bob came across. So"}, {"end": "02:24:08", "start": "02:24:04", "text": "that and this was what years"}, {"end": "02:24:10", "start": "02:24:06", "text": "approximately in the 90s."}, {"end": "02:24:11", "start": "02:24:08", "text": "No, this was between 2009 2013."}, {"end": "02:24:13", "start": "02:24:10", "text": "Right. So that's something that might"}, {"end": "02:24:14", "start": "02:24:11", "text": "have come after Bob's time."}, {"end": "02:24:18", "start": "02:24:13", "text": "And this isn't a guy who's like really"}, {"end": "02:24:18", "start": "02:24:14", "text": "he's not a like a big UFO head. Um"}, {"end": "02:24:20", "start": "02:24:18", "text": "right."}, {"end": "02:24:22", "start": "02:24:18", "text": "He's had some weird experiences. He's"}, {"end": "02:24:24", "start": "02:24:20", "text": "the same guy that's was on the flight"}, {"end": "02:24:24", "start": "02:24:22", "text": "line at Area 51 when he saw the triangle"}, {"end": "02:24:25", "start": "02:24:24", "text": "go up."}, {"end": "02:24:26", "start": "02:24:24", "text": "Oh wow."}, {"end": "02:24:29", "start": "02:24:25", "text": "Uh but yes, he talked about that."}, {"end": "02:24:32", "start": "02:24:26", "text": "Another person uh said they had been to"}, {"end": "02:24:35", "start": "02:24:29", "text": "S4. They didn't see craft there, but"}, {"end": "02:24:36", "start": "02:24:32", "text": "they confirmed like that the hangers"}, {"end": "02:24:38", "start": "02:24:35", "text": "built into to the mountain."}, {"end": "02:24:39", "start": "02:24:36", "text": "They confirmed the hangers. They said"}, {"end": "02:24:40", "start": "02:24:38", "text": "there were hangers built into the"}, {"end": "02:24:41", "start": "02:24:39", "text": "mountain."}, {"end": "02:24:42", "start": "02:24:40", "text": "They didn't say how many, but they said"}, {"end": "02:24:43", "start": "02:24:41", "text": "there were hangers disguised as mountain"}, {"end": "02:24:45", "start": "02:24:42", "text": "side."}, {"end": "02:24:48", "start": "02:24:43", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "02:24:50", "start": "02:24:45", "text": "I don't think anyone has ever,"}, {"end": "02:24:51", "start": "02:24:48", "text": "you know, ever said even Dan Burish."}, {"end": "02:24:52", "start": "02:24:50", "text": "Like he's"}, {"end": "02:24:54", "start": "02:24:51", "text": "that's incredible."}, {"end": "02:24:56", "start": "02:24:52", "text": "So they Yeah. that at le I even"}, {"end": "02:24:59", "start": "02:24:54", "text": "completely independent from Bob I I"}, {"end": "02:25:01", "start": "02:24:56", "text": "absolutely think S4 is a a real"}, {"end": "02:25:02", "start": "02:24:59", "text": "installation like the infamous site 4"}, {"end": "02:25:05", "start": "02:25:01", "text": "near papoose."}, {"end": "02:25:06", "start": "02:25:02", "text": "Yeah. Reason this guy won't come out is"}, {"end": "02:25:06", "start": "02:25:05", "text": "just NDAs."}, {"end": "02:25:07", "start": "02:25:06", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:25:10", "start": "02:25:06", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:25:10", "start": "02:25:07", "text": "Yeah. NDAs and like threats and"}, {"end": "02:25:12", "start": "02:25:10", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "02:25:13", "start": "02:25:10", "text": "all that all that sort of stuff."}, {"end": "02:25:14", "start": "02:25:12", "text": "But you said two people. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:25:15", "start": "02:25:13", "text": "Who's the second person?"}, {"end": "02:25:16", "start": "02:25:14", "text": "The second guy was the one who talked"}, {"end": "02:25:17", "start": "02:25:15", "text": "about the hangers."}, {"end": "02:25:18", "start": "02:25:16", "text": "Oh, okay. So, you had a guy talk about"}, {"end": "02:25:19", "start": "02:25:17", "text": "the hangers and you had the guy talk"}, {"end": "02:25:22", "start": "02:25:18", "text": "about the blue lines and the red lines."}, {"end": "02:25:24", "start": "02:25:19", "text": "The guy with the hangers, he I don't"}, {"end": "02:25:27", "start": "02:25:22", "text": "know if he saw non-human technology"}, {"end": "02:25:30", "start": "02:25:24", "text": "there. If he could, that would be a he"}, {"end": "02:25:32", "start": "02:25:27", "text": "wouldn't violate the security oath like"}, {"end": "02:25:33", "start": "02:25:30", "text": "that by talking about what is held in"}, {"end": "02:25:34", "start": "02:25:32", "text": "the installation. He just said,"}, {"end": "02:25:36", "start": "02:25:33", "text": "right,"}, {"end": "02:25:39", "start": "02:25:34", "text": "he's been to such a site. There's"}, {"end": "02:25:40", "start": "02:25:36", "text": "like the rumors of hangers are true. The"}, {"end": "02:25:42", "start": "02:25:39", "text": "other guy was there in official"}, {"end": "02:25:44", "start": "02:25:40", "text": "capacity. Nothing non-human. I think it"}, {"end": "02:25:46", "start": "02:25:42", "text": "was like inventory supply or something"}, {"end": "02:25:47", "start": "02:25:44", "text": "like that. He never went underground. He"}, {"end": "02:25:48", "start": "02:25:46", "text": "was just there on base level."}, {"end": "02:25:50", "start": "02:25:47", "text": "He knew there was an underground though."}, {"end": "02:25:50", "start": "02:25:48", "text": "No, he never saw the underground."}, {"end": "02:25:52", "start": "02:25:50", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:25:53", "start": "02:25:50", "text": "He wasn't told either. He was in and he"}, {"end": "02:25:54", "start": "02:25:52", "text": "was out, but he commented on red and"}, {"end": "02:25:57", "start": "02:25:53", "text": "blue lines."}, {"end": "02:25:58", "start": "02:25:54", "text": "Red and blue lines like Dan Burr said."}, {"end": "02:26:00", "start": "02:25:57", "text": "Yeah. And for those listening, like you"}, {"end": "02:26:01", "start": "02:25:58", "text": "go past a red line, you're shot."}, {"end": "02:26:02", "start": "02:26:00", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:26:03", "start": "02:26:01", "text": "Yeah. Pretty much"}, {"end": "02:26:05", "start": "02:26:02", "text": "now. And neither of them gave any"}, {"end": "02:26:06", "start": "02:26:03", "text": "comment to any like"}, {"end": "02:26:08", "start": "02:26:05", "text": "cheeky posters in there. I don't know if"}, {"end": "02:26:10", "start": "02:26:06", "text": "they saw it. If if there were cheeky"}, {"end": "02:26:12", "start": "02:26:08", "text": "posters or kind of iconography, I'd"}, {"end": "02:26:13", "start": "02:26:10", "text": "wager that stuff was taken down"}, {"end": "02:26:16", "start": "02:26:12", "text": "after Bob."}, {"end": "02:26:19", "start": "02:26:13", "text": "I think a lot of precautions were made"}, {"end": "02:26:23", "start": "02:26:16", "text": "after Bob. I mean, Bob, in my opinion,"}, {"end": "02:26:23", "start": "02:26:19", "text": "was the biggest"}, {"end": "02:26:26", "start": "02:26:23", "text": "I mean, it was the biggest mistake for a"}, {"end": "02:26:30", "start": "02:26:25", "text": "lot of those people. Like, I mean, to to"}, {"end": "02:26:31", "start": "02:26:26", "text": "let Bob, you know, uh, say what he said"}, {"end": "02:26:33", "start": "02:26:30", "text": "and let him out with that. Like, I mean,"}, {"end": "02:26:36", "start": "02:26:31", "text": "they must have tightened down"}, {"end": "02:26:38", "start": "02:26:33", "text": "incredibly after that. And even if you"}, {"end": "02:26:39", "start": "02:26:36", "text": "completely remove Bob, there's some"}, {"end": "02:26:41", "start": "02:26:38", "text": "lines of thought that things did indeed"}, {"end": "02:26:43", "start": "02:26:39", "text": "have to be um, kind of bootstrapped up"}, {"end": "02:26:45", "start": "02:26:41", "text": "and made more professional. the"}, {"end": "02:26:48", "start": "02:26:43", "text": "reorganization of SAPOK in '93 and '94,"}, {"end": "02:26:51", "start": "02:26:45", "text": "but also in 1992 uh Dick Cheney visited"}, {"end": "02:26:53", "start": "02:26:48", "text": "a ton of different Air Force bases and"}, {"end": "02:26:55", "start": "02:26:51", "text": "uh basically to to kind of check on"}, {"end": "02:26:58", "start": "02:26:53", "text": "programs and and stuff and you know"}, {"end": "02:27:00", "start": "02:26:55", "text": "maybe he also went to Area 51 Groom Lake"}, {"end": "02:27:02", "start": "02:26:58", "text": "and maybe went to to site 4 as well cuz"}, {"end": "02:27:03", "start": "02:27:00", "text": "I know that there's been discussion that"}, {"end": "02:27:06", "start": "02:27:02", "text": "he's kind of a figurehead at the top of"}, {"end": "02:27:08", "start": "02:27:03", "text": "the UFO period pyramid. He seems like a"}, {"end": "02:27:11", "start": "02:27:06", "text": "nononsense type of guy. Maybe he didn't"}, {"end": "02:27:13", "start": "02:27:08", "text": "Cheney was majestic."}, {"end": "02:27:14", "start": "02:27:11", "text": "Yeah. If Majestic hasn't morphed into"}, {"end": "02:27:14", "start": "02:27:13", "text": "something new."}, {"end": "02:27:15", "start": "02:27:14", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:27:16", "start": "02:27:14", "text": "Which I don't know."}, {"end": "02:27:19", "start": "02:27:15", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:27:20", "start": "02:27:16", "text": "As far as the Majestic, I I put the vast"}, {"end": "02:27:22", "start": "02:27:19", "text": "majority of the credence into the"}, {"end": "02:27:22", "start": "02:27:20", "text": "Eisenhower briefing document."}, {"end": "02:27:25", "start": "02:27:22", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:27:27", "start": "02:27:22", "text": "And the Psalm I have I am really"}, {"end": "02:27:31", "start": "02:27:25", "text": "interested. I don't have the same level"}, {"end": "02:27:31", "start": "02:27:27", "text": "of confidence as I do. EBD."}, {"end": "02:27:36", "start": "02:27:31", "text": "Well, truly truly fascinating."}, {"end": "02:27:37", "start": "02:27:34", "text": "UAP Gerb."}, {"end": "02:27:39", "start": "02:27:36", "text": "I appreciate that."}, {"end": "02:27:42", "start": "02:27:37", "text": "That is your real name. This has been so"}, {"end": "02:27:44", "start": "02:27:39", "text": "enlightening and just as I said at the"}, {"end": "02:27:45", "start": "02:27:42", "text": "top, this was exactly like drinking"}, {"end": "02:27:47", "start": "02:27:44", "text": "water out of a fire hose"}, {"end": "02:27:48", "start": "02:27:45", "text": "in the best possible way."}, {"end": "02:27:50", "start": "02:27:47", "text": "It's once I once I start talking about"}, {"end": "02:27:51", "start": "02:27:48", "text": "something like I can't stop because it's"}, {"end": "02:27:52", "start": "02:27:50", "text": "the same thing I do with the videos,"}, {"end": "02:27:53", "start": "02:27:51", "text": "right? Like if I"}, {"end": "02:27:56", "start": "02:27:52", "text": "There's so many connections."}, {"end": "02:27:58", "start": "02:27:53", "text": "Yeah, exactly. If you if I say like, oh,"}, {"end": "02:28:00", "start": "02:27:56", "text": "Edwards Air Force Base, okay, then you"}, {"end": "02:28:02", "start": "02:27:58", "text": "got to talk about MRTFBs. Then you got"}, {"end": "02:28:04", "start": "02:28:00", "text": "to talk about like Air Force MRTFBs,"}, {"end": "02:28:06", "start": "02:28:02", "text": "then how China Lake has MRTFBs, but then"}, {"end": "02:28:07", "start": "02:28:04", "text": "how China Lake is actually a deep"}, {"end": "02:28:11", "start": "02:28:06", "text": "underground cavity that the US Army"}, {"end": "02:28:13", "start": "02:28:07", "text": "Corps of Engineers. It's so all sorts of"}, {"end": "02:28:15", "start": "02:28:11", "text": "little different rabbit holes you got to"}, {"end": "02:28:16", "start": "02:28:13", "text": "go down and then try and come back from,"}, {"end": "02:28:17", "start": "02:28:15", "text": "which is always the hardest part, trying"}, {"end": "02:28:19", "start": "02:28:16", "text": "to reenter your mind."}, {"end": "02:28:23", "start": "02:28:17", "text": "If if anyone's a rabbit in this field,"}, {"end": "02:28:25", "start": "02:28:19", "text": "it's you. So yeah, I think I hats off to"}, {"end": "02:28:28", "start": "02:28:23", "text": "what you're doing. Um I wish you lots of"}, {"end": "02:28:31", "start": "02:28:25", "text": "continued success and growth in your"}, {"end": "02:28:34", "start": "02:28:28", "text": "channel, in your efforts and endeavors."}, {"end": "02:28:36", "start": "02:28:31", "text": "Um bringing disclosure to the masses and"}, {"end": "02:28:38", "start": "02:28:34", "text": "you know, I wish you all the luck uh in"}, {"end": "02:28:42", "start": "02:28:36", "text": "the world when it comes to your travels"}, {"end": "02:28:45", "start": "02:28:38", "text": "and your safety. Um you're someone who I"}, {"end": "02:28:47", "start": "02:28:42", "text": "look up to in terms of information and"}, {"end": "02:28:49", "start": "02:28:45", "text": "and and just uh research. I think it's"}, {"end": "02:28:50", "start": "02:28:47", "text": "commendable what you're doing and I"}, {"end": "02:28:52", "start": "02:28:49", "text": "think you're really really doing"}, {"end": "02:28:54", "start": "02:28:50", "text": "humanity a service whether they know it"}, {"end": "02:28:55", "start": "02:28:52", "text": "or not. Uh but I want you to know that I"}, {"end": "02:28:57", "start": "02:28:54", "text": "appreciate it very much."}, {"end": "02:28:58", "start": "02:28:55", "text": "Well, it's been an honor, Chris. And you"}, {"end": "02:29:01", "start": "02:28:57", "text": "know, like I told you, you have shown"}, {"end": "02:29:03", "start": "02:28:58", "text": "unrivaled respect and hospitality. So, I"}, {"end": "02:29:07", "start": "02:29:01", "text": "I appreciate it so much, man."}, {"end": "02:29:07", "start": "02:29:03", "text": "Thanks, dude. Thank you."}, {"end": "02:29:22", "start": "02:29:07", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "What you are hearing is not the voice of"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "a pilot in distress. This is something"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "else entirely."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "In 1976, a young Mexican pilot named"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "Raphael Perez was mid-flight when"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "everything changed. His airplane was no"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "longer under his control and he lost"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "consciousness. And then he began to"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "speak,"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "but the words were not his own."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "This transmission captured in real time"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "may be the only known audio of an"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "extraterrestrial intelligence speaking"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "through a human host. What happened in"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "the skies over Mexico that day? And who"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "or what was speaking through Raphael"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "Perez? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "back to another episode of Debriefed. My"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "name is Chris Ramsay and today we're"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "going to be taking a pretty deep dive"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "into a very mysterious case that was"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "brought to light just a few days ago on"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "social media. Now, mind you, this case"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "has been around for a very long time,"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "but recently on the podcast, Mr. Ballin"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "and kind of caught fire on the internet"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "and was spread around and sent to me."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "There's this 23-year-old kid named"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Raphael Perez, and he's out of this"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "airport in Shima Khan, Mexico. And I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "going to read to you the first thing"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "that Raphael said to Carlos. The pilot"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "is speaking, but not of his own free"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "will. We are using him as a microphone."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "I have since enlisted the help of a few"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "researchers over at Area 52 and we have"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "come up with a comprehensive dive into"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "this incredible case involving a young"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "pilot age of 23 had barely 50 hours of"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "flight time and yet found himself 300"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "kilometers away from his destination"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "while still maintaining an almost full"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "tank of gas. But that's not the weird"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "part. The weird part is that for an hour"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "while unconscious"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "he was communicating to the radio tower"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "in multiple languages and saying that in"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "fact the voice coming out of his body"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "was not his own but that of an"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "extraterrestrial. Folks, this is one of"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "the most fascinating cases I've come"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "across. And there were actually multiple"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "incidents involving pilots near Mexico"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "during that time. In fact, one year"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "prior, there happened to be another"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "incident in which the pilot's aircraft"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "was kind of commandeered by three flying"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "saucers. But this obviously isn't the"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "only case of pilots being intercepted by"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "UFOs. And we're going to go deep into a"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "few of these cases, including one that"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "kind of, no pun intended, flew under the"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "radar. During my interview with famed"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "remote viewer Joe McMonagle, he actually"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "recounts a similar tale that never"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "actually made it to the video that I"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "did. And so this will be an exclusive"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "snippet from my interview with Joe"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "McMonagle, which I didn't think was at"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "all relevant. And I'm so glad that I did"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "record it. Lots to cover. I got all the"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "papers in front of me. 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Even that"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "thing you looked up at 3:00 a.m. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "that thing. No, seriously. What's wrong"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "with you? You didn't agree to it. You"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "didn't say yes. 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You can't erase your data,"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "but you can delete it from 187 shady"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "spreadsheets."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "All right, folks. We paid the bills. Go"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "ahead and leave a like, subscribe, hit"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "the notification bell, and if you're so"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "inclined, leave us a review. This"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "definitely propels us into a favorable"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "algorithm with Spotify, and we enjoy"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "that very much over here at Area 52."}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "Also, quickly, Majestic 12, we've got"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "female t-shirts. 20% of our audience"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "here is female and we do want to cater"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "to some of you obviously. So, we went"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "ahead and made some Majestic 12 shirts"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "just for you. Enough of enough. Let's"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "get into reading this stuff. Raphael"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "Perez, the man in question, the man of"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "the hour, the person that we were"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "referencing who was channeled or"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "channeled some type of alien being."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "His case happens June 21st, 1976."}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "Well, on May 3rd, 1975,"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "another gentleman, Carlos Delos Santos,"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "another pilot by the age also of 23, I"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "believe, had a really interesting"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "encounter, not only with multiple UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "but also subsequently twice with what"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "are known as the Men in Black. And he"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "describes them as identical looking,"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "robotic in voice, and Nordicl looking,"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "very tall. This gets stranger and"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "stranger, folks. But then we also have a"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "case in Australia where another pilot"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "known as Frederick Valentic, a"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "20-year-old Australian pilot, vanished"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "under mysterious circumstances. And his"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "final words were, \"That strange aircraft"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "is hovering on top of me again. It's"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "hovering and it's not an aircraft."}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "It's hovering and it's not an aircraft.\""}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "So, we're going to look at all these"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "cases, but first to set us up, suspend"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "your disbelief, folks. Check it at the"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "door, cuz we're going to get into some"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "really wild and weird stuff. And we're"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "going to start with my friend Joe"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "McMonagle. Joe McMonagle was known as"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "remote viewer number 001. Arguably the"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "best remote viewer that the CIA and the"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "army and the government has ever"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "produced. Joe went on to remote view"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "Mars a million years ago for the DoD. He"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "did so many secret projects using his"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "psychic ability for the military that it"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "convinced me that remote viewing is"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "something real. So a few years ago,"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "actually this channel is about 2 years"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "old now, and about 2 years ago, I sat"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "down with Joe in his house in Virginia"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "and had the pleasure of interviewing"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "him. Throughout this 3 4h hour plus"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "interview, Joe regailed me with so many"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "fantastic tales of his time as a remote"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "viewer. We then began to talk about UFOs"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "where he recounted a time where he was"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "in I think Bermuda or the Bahamas and he"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "saw a craft right above his head, him"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "and his friend. His friend was then"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "subsequently sent to the ER with"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "radiation burns. He was given iodine"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "pills and he was told kind of never to"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "speak of this again. Right after that,"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "Joe tells me another story, one that"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "failed to make it on to that documentary"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "that I put out. Well, this one rings"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "eerily similar to what we are looking at"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "now. Have a look."}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Now, I talked to a guy, in fact, I get"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "invited to his house down in the Florida"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Keys later, and my wife and I went down"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "there. My wife at the time was my second"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "wife. We drove down and met him and he"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "flew back and forth from Fort Lauderdale"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "to Biminy once a week. He'd fly to"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "Biminy and fly back. So he he did that"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "for years, like two and a half years. So"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "his plane he knew exact is a twin"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "engine. He knew exactly the amount of"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "fuel he needed to go from there to"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "there. He knew exactly how much time it"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "took to go from there to there. And this"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "one time he was coming back from Biminy"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "and he said he flew into a weird cloud"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "and it was weird because on the tips of"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "his wings it was starting to encroach on"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "the tip of his wings and his wings were"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "disappearing"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "and it made him nervous. And then"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "suddenly right in front of him, this"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "bright light opened up and this huge"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "object started right at his plane and he"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "put his plane into a nose dive and it"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "went over him and he"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "cut around to the left and all he could"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "see was this funny cloud again. So he"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "dropped to the ground and flew flew the"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "rest of the way to Fort Lauderdale."}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "10 minutes later, Fort Lauderdale got"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "him on the radio and said, \"Uh, identify"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "yourself. Identify yourself.\" And so he"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "identified himself and"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "that was no surprise to him. But when he"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "landed, he was 2 hours early,"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "early"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "early. And he still had a full gas load."}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "That's what he told me. He said, I said,"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "\"Well, what was this?\" He said, \"I have"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "no idea what it was, but I don't fly out"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "of Fort Lauderdale anymore. or I fly out"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "of Miami."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "I'm not sure I buy UFOs from another"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "star."}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "I think everything's local"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "and there may be they may be"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "interdimensional."}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "Very interesting. Now, let's put a pin"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "in that and travel to Mexico. So, we"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "have an interview coming up with Mr."}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "Dretche. Mr. Kretchie was the gentleman"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "that was working at Alapulco at the"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "radio tower who communicated"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "with Mr. Perez who was channeling this"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "being while he was flying over a body of"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "water. Mr. Dretche sat down for a pretty"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "lengthy interview in Spanish. Uh my"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "research team has since grabbed the"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "transcript from that interview and"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "translated it into English and that's"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "what we are going to be reading which is"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "his account. But before we do that, I"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "want to talk to you about Carlos de Los"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "Santos"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "because this incident happened one year"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "prior. So May 3rd, 1975 in Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "Carlos Deos Santos, 23-year-old pilot"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "from Mexicana Airlines was flying a"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "Piper PA24 Comanche over Mexico on a"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "clear midday route from Ziuatenejo to"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "Mexico City. Pardon me if I'm butchering"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "that name. Now, Carlos gives a pretty"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "detailed and in-depth interview, which"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "I've linked below, but around noon,"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "Carlos was flying under 10,000 ft. All"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "right. When all of a sudden,"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "on the left side of his window, he sees"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "a silver metallic craft hover right"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "above his wing tip. This is then"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "followed up by another one to his right."}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "Now when I say hover right above his"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "wing tip, I mean this is 10 to 20 cm"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "above his wing tip."}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "A dark gray object made was flying over"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "the left wings upper surface for about"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "10 or 20 cm."}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "You're talking about 20 cm away. That's"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "Now for a pilot, this must be absolutely"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "terrifying. But it didn't stop there"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "because a third object approached headon"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "directly toward the cockpit windshield,"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "but at the last moment dove beneath the"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "craft and allegedly striking the landing"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "gear. Now, the landing gear was actually"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "damaged and pictures were taken and"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "confiscated. However, as you'll see"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "later, he tried to land and he couldn't"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "get his landing gear to work and that"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "was confirmed by the radio tower. So,"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "all three objects were described as dark"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "gray seamless discshaped with a black"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "glass-like dome on top. Carlos noted no"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "visible engines, wings, or any normal"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "means of propulsion. We're talking about"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "16 ft or 5 m in diameter. All three"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "exhibited identical characteristics."}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "Classic disc or saucer shape with a"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "smooth seamless surface. No rivets,"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "bolts, or visible joints. dark gray"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "matte or fossilized texture that lacked"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "reflection or shine. This does remind me"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "of the craft that Bob Lazar had worked"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "on at S4. And each craft had a dome-like"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "structure on top resembling a cockpit or"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "canopy. The dome was black and glasslike"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "but opaque and Carlos couldn't see"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "inside. This reminds me of the craft at"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "Aztec. You see in Aztec, New Mexico when"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "that crash happened. By the way, go"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "check out UAP Gerb's deep dive into the"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "Aztec crash in 1948. It's an amazing"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "video, incredibly detail-filled, but as"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "some of you know on the channel, I'm a"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "big fan of Will Simon's UFO crash at"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "Aztec. And in here, he also describes a"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "dome on the flying saucer that is opaque"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "and reflective, almost like plexiglass."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "So, immediately after the third object"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "appeared, Carl lost all control of his"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "aircraft. He couldn't turn left or"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "right, and his landing gear was jammed."}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "The plane began to climb without his"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "input, eventually reaching 14 12,000 ft,"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "which is well above the safety limits"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "for an unpressurized cabin and without"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "supplemental oxygen. So, he radioed the"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "Mexico City tower in a panic, saying,"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "\"Mayday, I'm not flying my own craft.\""}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "Here's an actual excerpt"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "from Carlos in panic."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "It's a"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "very special experience for me."}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "Now, if that doesn't bring chills down"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "your spine, I don't know what will. It"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "seems so terrifying to me. But"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "obviously, he goes into a great deal of"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "detail in his 2012 interview, and he's"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "kind of thankful for the whole ordeal,"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "but at the time must have been really"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "scary. So, the three UFOs escorted his"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "plane, get this, for a full 18 minutes."}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "And not only that, radar confirmed there"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "was an echo of three crafts in formation"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "alongside his. That was confirmed. So,"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "as Carlos neared the valley of Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "the discs peeled away, one ascending"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "toward"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "Papa"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "volcano."}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "Very sorry about that. another moving"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "off horizontally and the third"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "disappearing from beneath his fuselage."}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "At that moment, full control of his"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "craft returned to Carlos. Now, he"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "attempted to lower the landing gear, but"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "no lights confirmed it was down. So,"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "over the next 11 passes and 77 minutes,"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "Carlos was forced to circle until ground"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "crews eventually confirmed that the gear"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "was locked and then he eventually landed"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "safely. Being lucid the entire time,"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "Carlos also talks in great lengths about"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "the maneuvers of the craft, saying the"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "flight behavior exhibited precision"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "control at high speed, positioning"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "themselves a mere 20 cm, less than 8 in"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "from his wings without turbulence. And"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "then after disengaging, all three discs"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "performed a 270 degree turn with a"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "threemile radius accelerating to 400 to"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "450 knots, which is well above 500 m an"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "hour. Maneuvers that no 1975"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "aircraft could match. So Carlos"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "emphasized the absence of traditional"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "aircraft features, no wings, no engines,"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "no control surfaces, and asked aloud"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "during interviews, \"How do they fly?"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "There are no wings, no exhaust, nothing."}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Some investigators, including Dr. J."}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "Allen Heinik and Jacqu Valet, suggested"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "that the craft created an"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "electromagnetic field around his plane,"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "potentially explaining his sudden loss"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "of control and forced the altitude"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "gained from 10,000 up to 14,500 ft. So,"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "Carlos eventually lands the plane. He"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "was immediately detained and given"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "medical and psychological exams."}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "Authorities suspected hypoxia, which is"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "kind of this delirium that happens at"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "high altitude, or drug use, none of"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "which were present. He passed every"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "test. His case made the front page news"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "across Mexico and two air traffic"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "controllers publicly confirmed seeing"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "the radar returns of three UFOs and"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "described an impossible 270 degree turn"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "executed within a 3m radius at 600 mph"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "beyond the capabilities of any known"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "aircraft."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "Carlos was later visited twice by the"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "men in black. This happened twice in"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "1975."}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "The first encounter was while Carlos was"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "on route to an interview. So while"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "driving to an interview with renowned"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "Mexican journalist Pedro Fiz, Carlos"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "was intercepted. two identical black"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "grand marquee sedans resembling"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "diplomatic vehicles boxed in his car,"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "one pulling alongside and the other"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "cutting in front."}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "The occupants, four men emerging in"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "unison and identical in appearance. They"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "were described as followed. pale skin,"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "blonde or light hair, Nordic almost"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "Scandinavian features, or as Carlos put"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "it in his interview, they look like"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "Vikings."}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "Emotionless expressions, and their"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "behavior felt robotic, stiff, and"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "unnervingly synchronized. One man leaned"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "into Carlos's window and said in"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "Spanish, \"If you appreciate your life,"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "don't talk anymore.\""}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "They returned to their cars and vanished"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "without a trace. But it doesn't stop"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "there. You see, Carlos was intercepted"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "once again by a second encounter from"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "the so-called Men in Black, only this"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "time before meeting Dr. J. Allen Heinik,"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "one of the lead investigators for"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "Project Blue Book, renowned physicist"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "and astronomer. So, days later, just"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "before a private breakfast with Dr."}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "Heinik, Carlos parked outside the hotel."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "He ascended the steps and he was struck"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "in the back by a hand. Turning around,"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "he saw one of the same four men from the"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "earlier incident. Identical face,"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "same robotic demeanor. The man told him,"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "\"You are not going to see Dr. Heinik."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "Turn around. Go.\""}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "Carlos attempted to argue, but the man"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "repeated, \"Go. Get lost.\" And Carlos"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "obeyed. He left without attending the"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "meeting. Obviously later he would tell"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "Heinik what happened and UFO researchers"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "Ray Stanford and Pedro Farese would help"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "him reconstruct the events confirming"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "their interest in the Men in Black"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "phenomenon and even linking it to NASA's"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "classified research into paranormal"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "activity. Now we know this now to be the"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "Men in Black. These guys show up"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "everywhere and the same description is"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "given. They're almost uncanny"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "valleylike. Like there's something"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "strange about their faces, the"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "morphology of their heads or or just the"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "way they look. And the fact that they"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "spoke in this robotic tone just makes it"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "so much creepier. In an interview,"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "Carlos did emphasize the following. He"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "said that the men were not normal"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "humans. Their faces, height, and voices"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "were identical."}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "That's so scary."}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "He said their speech was mechanical and"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "almost computer-like"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "and that they bore a resemblance to"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "Nordic beings but wore suits and"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "traveled in diplomatic style black"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "vehicles. He later learned from Stanford"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "and Heinik that other experiencers had"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "reported similar cloned or duplicated"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "men in black following major verifiable"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "UFO events."}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "This is this is so interesting that"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "Carlos wasn't aware of the men in black"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "and he was describing exactly what other"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "what other people have described."}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "Fascinating. Now, if one of these men in"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "black is out there and would like to sit"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "down at the podcast, we'd be more than"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "happy to accommodate your every need uh"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "in order for us to have a conversation."}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "Probably not likely going to happen, but"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "you don't know if you don't ask. To"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "conclude Carlos's story, he flew"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "professionally for 32 more years, never"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "reporting another encounter. And his"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "voice recorded live during the event"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "trembled as he told air traffic"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "controllers, \"I have no control. It's"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "not me flying the aircraft.\" And folks,"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "this remains one of the strongest cases"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "on record. A broad daylight encounter"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "with radar confirmation, physical"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "evidence because of the collision with"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "the landing gear on the plane. pilot"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "testimony and an attempted cover up"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "involving Nordicl looking type men in"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "black. Just an absolutely fascinating"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "case here of Carlos Delos Santos in"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "1975."}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "We're now going to go to Raphael Bacho"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "Pere uh June 21st, 1976 in Mexico. I'm"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "going to read to you to start an excerpt"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "from UFOs and Mexican Aviation by Carlos"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "Guzman and Alfonso Salazar. This book"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "was printed in Spanish. I've had it"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "translated here, this little portion, so"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "that I can read and share it with you."}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "The following case can be classified as"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "the second most important to have"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "occurred in the annals of Mexican"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "eupfology on the subject of UFOs and"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "pilots. The first potentially being"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "Carlos here that we just read. On the"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "morning of June 21, 1976, Raphael"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "Pacheo, a student at the Mexican"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "Aviation School, was due to make a lo a"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "local flight to Chimalakan in Tex Coco."}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "I am so sorry about butchering these"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "names, by the way. I've never gone to"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "Mexico. I should culture myself a little"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "bit more on how this is pronounced. But"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "there we are. on whose ground runways"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "all students from seven aeronautical"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "schools that exist in our capitol carry"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "out their internships. At 8:15 a.m. that"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "day, Raphael boarded the Cessna 150"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "plane with registration XBZOX,"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "took off at 8:25 a.m. and headed east"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "for Chimal Hakan. The weather was cloudy"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "and foggy. So to set this up, folks,"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "this guy was 23 and he was a student. He"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "was learning how to fly a plane. And"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "this plane was made for students. This"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "plane was made for training purposes. It"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "didn't have a big fuel tank. It wasn't"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "made for long distances. This begins"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "very anomalously. Such a flight requires"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "60 to 90 minutes of landing and takeoff."}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "However, 2 hours passed without news"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "from the ZOX."}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "That's when the school's principal,"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "Captain Miguel Batanero, ordered several"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "small planes to leave to locate Raphael."}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "as it was feared he had had an accident."}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "At around 11:15 a.m., this is 3 hours"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "later. While in full search, Captain"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "Batanero received a long-distance call"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "from Captain Ortiz Lara, the school's"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "chief pilot,"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "who was at Aapulco airport instructing a"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "student, who warned him that the XBZOX"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "plane did not have to be there,"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "had been reported and was about to land."}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "This guy is now 300 km away."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "Hypnotized by extraterrestrials,"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "Captain Ortiz also told his superior"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "that something was wrong with Raphael as"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "he had delivered a 40inute message to"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "humanity and spoke of his being"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "hypnotized by extraterrestrial beings."}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "Very upset, Captain Batinero ordered"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "that when he got off the plane, he had"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "been given a medical examination in the"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "presence of the aeronautical authorities"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "of Aapulco."}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "Raphael landed at 11:22 a.m. and was"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "immediately taken to the airport command"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "where Dr. Ernesto Valz stated the"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "following. The undersigned extends to"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "the present medical certificate, Mr. for"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "Raphael Pacheco, who after having"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "examined found himself clinically"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "healthy."}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "He had his wits about him, ladies and"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "gentlemen."}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "Immediately afterwards, an official"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "information record was drawn up to"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "attest to the event. Controller Vagran"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "stated it was approximately 10:30 a.m."}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "when the XBZOX license plate aircraft"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "made contact with the Aapokco Tower at"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "its own frequency of 118.5 MHz"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "requesting that another frequency be"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "designated to give a message. I told him"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "to proceed in it to which the ZOX"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "insisted on the assignment of a"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "different one because the message was"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "too long. He was assigned the 123.45."}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "Subsequently, having made contact with"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "the new frequency, the Zoax said that"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "the pilot of the aircraft was under"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "hypnotic effect. And was being used as a"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "means of passing the message. He said"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "the person who speaks is from another"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "planet. I come in peace. I do not want"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "to harm the pilot or anyone else. He"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "continued to broadcast a series of"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "fantasies for about 45 minutes."}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "This gets stranger and stranger, folks."}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "But yeah, apparently he didn't want to"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "be on, I guess, one of the frequencies"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "that is used in short form and he wanted"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "to jump to a different frequency, one"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "that I think could not be recorded if"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "I'm not mistaken. Um, but let's uh let's"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "move forward here. So, here's the"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "conversation. So, the statement of"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "controller Cretchie, which we'll"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "eventually get to, we have his whole"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "interview here, which we're going to"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "read through. Having listened to the"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "conversation between Comrade Vigran and"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "the famous strange beings, I agreed to"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "take the communication with frequency"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "123.45,"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "where the person continued to make a"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "series of assertions against the human"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "being."}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "It made us see that we were an inferior"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "civilization and that we were not alone"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "in the universe, that there were many"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "other civilizations physically similar"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "to us, but mentally much more developed."}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "He also said that we were close to a"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "global catastrophe and we are the only"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "beings in the universe who have a"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "self-destructive mind and that on the"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "contrary they were positive and creative"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "that they have the power to annihilate"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "in an instant all our modern apparatuses"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "and atomic weapons. He noted that they"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "had the power to change the color of the"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "aircraft so that it would not be seen by"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "earthlings who at any given moment could"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "be blue as the sky or white as clouds."}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "Okay. So, how come they speak Spanish?"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "Well, this voice was asked a series of"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "questions such as if they're so perfect,"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "how come they speak Spanish? To this the"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "voice replied"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "that they could understand any language"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "in a matter of seconds. He was asked"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "several questions in German and replied"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "having fully understood what I said in"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "regular English. He explained that the"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "message had to end so that the pilot"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "could land without fuel problems. She"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "was asked if we could ever see that"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "spacecraft, replying that it would never"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "be seen because we are so destructive"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "and aggressive that we would surely"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "attack it."}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "Not wrong, but cool for asking. I would"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "have asked the same thing, but yeah, not"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "wrong. I would also assume that that's"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "what we would do. And in fact, I would"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "go so far as to say that that's what"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "we've done. The voice was heard without"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "any hesitation."}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "Very easily in word, but slow. At no"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "time did he agree to change the"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "frequency, and a few moments later, the"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "same voice was heard again saying, \"I am"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "82. Who do I talk to and where am I?\""}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "The person was asked for her"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "identification and I noticed that she"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "was completely confused. Okay. When it"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "says the person I I think it's I I think"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "she is just he but I think it's because"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "of the Spanish translation."}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "Uh so yeah, the person said I may who do"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "I talk to or am I and then the person"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "asked uh for his identification and"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "noticed that he was completely confused."}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "Captain Bataniro referred to Raphael as"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "a model student with good grades. He's"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "very serious and we don't know him as a"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "liar. I don't mean this is true or"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "false. I'm totally skeptical. But in the"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "case of a boy like this and also taking"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "into account the conversation held in"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "German and in English,"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "everything makes me think. Raphael"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "Pacheco Perez is a 23-year-old boy and"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "until the morning of June 21st, he had"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "53 hours of flight. So it can be"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "considered that he only knew the basic"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "rules of aeronautics."}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "He was not under the influence of"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "alcohol or drugs that day as was later"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "found. He does not speak German. And as"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "for English, he only knows the technical"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "vocabulary related to his studies. We"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "could see this by having him answer a"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "questionnaire in English about his"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "experience of which he understood only"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "single words."}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "So, not only did he communicate some"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "type of message, not only did he"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "get to a place 300 kilometers away and"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "still have almost a full tank of fuel,"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "by the way, had he gone from Mexico"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "City, which would have been, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "routine solo flight to Chimalwakan"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "airirstrip, that would have been 60 to"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "60 to 90minute flight, but instead he"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "ended up in Aapokco, a flight which"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "should have taken 3 hours. He ended up"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "there in 90 minutes with a full tank of"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "gas."}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "Even if he would have flown super super"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "fast and miraculously saved on gas"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "somehow, he would have had to fly"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "through the mountain range like a"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "professional pilot to avoid radar"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "detection. This makes zero sense. This"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "is insane. This is such an insane case"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "here. Here's Raphael's story, by the"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "way. And we're going to get into some of"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "the things that were said because the"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "voice that came through Raphael also"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "referred to Raphael as a microphone,"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "which is super bizarre and dark and"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "weird. There's just so much to unpack in"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "a story like this. This is from Raphael."}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "At 8:35 a.m., seeing that I had deviated"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "from the route, I tried to turn left,"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "but the controls did not respond. They"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "had locked themselves in the ascent"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "position. The clocks started to swing at"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "the same time. The compass was spinning"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "rapidly. All the instruments had gone"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "mad. I entered a very dense cloud and"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "continued to ascend. I had no"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "visibility."}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "Similar to Joe McMongle's report where"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "his friend going from Fort Lauderdale to"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "Biminy also encountered a mist sort of"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "weird dark mist that he flew into. He"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "was trying to locate the"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "volcano. I called the Mexico Tower for 2"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "minutes on its 118.1 MHz frequency and"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "they didn't answer me. I changed the"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "frequency to 121.5 and even made calls"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "from Mayday and PAN, which is like the"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "emergency channel,"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "but no one answered me. When I noticed"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "the compass and instruments, I"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "instinctively looked at the bow on the"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "sides of the plane and upstairs, and I"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "saw nothing. So, he was trying to find"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "the cause, whether it's static"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "electricity, magnetic field, anything he"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "could attribute the damage to."}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "already outside the cloud. As I"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "continued to call without result, I"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "noticed that the altimeter was the only"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "instrument that seemed to work well. The"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "last reading was 10,000 ft. From then"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "on, I don't remember anything."}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "Only that I felt sleepy and was about to"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "fall asleep."}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "When I became aware again, I found"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "myself on the open sea."}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "I was at 7,000 ft altitude as the"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "alttimeter marked. And when I saw the"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "sea, I was very surprised. I thought I"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "was dreaming. I took the microphone and"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "called out, \"Student 82 to any station"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "that listens to me.\" I immediately got a"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "response from Tory Aapulco and was"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "ordered to switch to the 121.5 MHz"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "frequency, which is emergency. I don't"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "know how often I was broadcasting"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "before. Then they asked me my position"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "and I replied that I did not know,"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "but that I was flying over the sea. They"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "asked me to locate land and I found a"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "very small strip."}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "I informed it like this and they told me"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "to head there. Fuel from the left tank"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "had run out and the right tank was"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "almost empty. I don't know how much fuel"}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "I had and so I informed the Aapokco"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "tower. I was told to land on runway 24"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "and to use any available in case of"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "emergency. I landed, headed to the"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "platform and saw a Cessna 310 from the"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "school. It was the XV L where Captain"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "Ortiz had heard the whole message along"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "with Fernando Acasta, a student who was"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "being instructed on twin engines."}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "Captain Ortiz came to meet me and I"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "asked him, \"Captain, what am I doing"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "here?\" And he said, \"If you came on the"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "plane and you don't know except me"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "later, the controllers and Captain Ortiz"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "himself began to tell me what I had"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "said. I don't remember anything. If I"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "hadn't been told about those beings who"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "have brought me so much trouble, I would"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "have thought I fell asleep and nothing"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "else. So, this is really interesting"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "because he now describes falling asleep"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "while in a plane and then waking up"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "hours later, in which case you should be"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "dead."}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "You should be in a mountain side"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "somewhere. So to his surprise, he was"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "over a great body of water which was"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "nowhere near the airirstrip that he had"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "originally planned to fly to. Incredibly"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "confusing."}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "So how could I get to Aapulco is what"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "Raphael is asking himself. The aircraft"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "that Raphael crewed was a Cessna model"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "150 aircraft with room for two people."}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "It does not have auxiliary systems such"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "as the VR or the ADF. It is intended for"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "local practice flights. And in addition,"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "the young pilot did not carry a"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "navigation chart, flight plan, plotter,"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "or computer that day."}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "Raphael had only made one flight over"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "the route with an instructor to Leon"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "Guanhat"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "Guanauato. In short, the boy was not"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "able to fly alone to Aapokco, even"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "though he had carried with him the"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "necessary material to orient himself. As"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "Raphael headed southeast of DF and"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "headed toward Lake Tequisitango,"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "the radar did not detect his plane"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "because it must have flown in the 12,000"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "ft chain of hills. Radar waves never"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "touched XBZOX and his position was not"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "known until he made contact with Tory"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "Aapulco. So there you go. He's flying"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "under the radar over the mountain"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "between mountain range. That's an insane"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "thing to do for someone who has 50 hours"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "of flying time. That's like if you just"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "got your learner's permit, you know, you"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "had a maybe a drive with your dad"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "teaching you how to drive and then you"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "all of a sudden you end up downtown"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "Manhattan with people honking at you and"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "trying to get through traffic. It makes"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "no sense. Raphael lost consciousness at"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "about 8:45 a.m. and contacted"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "Toriyakapulco at 10:30 a.m. while flying"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "over Mahonas. That is it was an hour and"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "45 minutes which adding to the 18"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "minutes of flight between Moonerys and"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "Nakapoko gives us 2 hours and 3 minutes"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "a record time especially if we consider"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "the deviation to Chimawa."}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "So not only did he fly on the mountain"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "range under the radar with a Cessna with"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "50 hours of flight time, but he did this"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "in a whopping world record time. To"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "conclude, it says, \"At first, when we"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "began to investigate the case, we"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "believed that it was all a story"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "invented by the pilot. But as we delved"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "into the facts, we found no elements"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "that indicated the students joke or"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "excuse. On June 24th evening, several"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "people called the airport to report that"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "they were seeing slowmoving UFOs. Mario"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "Alcantara from Soul to Mexico tried to"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "interview the director of RAMsa, the"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "radio aeronautica Mexicana, Enrique"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "Mendes, but he could not receive him"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "because he was in an important meeting"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "and television which initially broadcast"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "the case widely was later inexplicably"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "silent."}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "Now, this is such a baffling case and so"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "I would give anything to listen to that"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "message. And in fact, we do have a small"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "snippet of it. Listen to"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "this"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "chilling snippet of this being"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "channeling Raphael."}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "Houston"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "for uh"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "This is"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "around."}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "They told us"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:27", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "crazy. He took off from Mexico City."}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "should have been a routine solo flight"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "to the nearby Chimakan Airstrip instead"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "was him flying inexplicably 300"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "kilometers away to Akapulco, a flight"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "which should have taken 3 hours in his"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "Cessna 150 which was completed in just 1"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "hour. He then radios into the air"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "traffic controller, Carlos Dretchie, who"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "we're going to hear from in a second,"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "but his voice was strange, emotionless,"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "and robotic, which is interesting"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "because that's also what the Men in"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "Black sounded like. The transmission"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "says, \"He speaks because he is ordered"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "to. It is his voice, but he speaks not"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "of his own free will. We use it as a"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "microphone.\""}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "And the entities claim to be"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "extraterrestrial, physically similar to"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "humans again. and confirmed the"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "existence of other alien civilizations."}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "And the voice spoke English, Spanish and"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "German, two languages which especially"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "German uh Raphael did not speak"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "not just fluently at all. He did not"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "speak German. The interesting thing here"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "as well is noted that uh you know no"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "drugs, no signs of mental illness, no"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "hypoxia, but also that this would be"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "Perez's last flight. He never flew again"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "after that. It messed him up so bad he"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "claimed that the event and the beings"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "behind it destroyed his career. He"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "believed that aliens were malevolent and"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "that he had been used against his will."}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "Although they claimed that they were"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "benevolent, Raphael didn't think so."}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "This is an interview conducted in"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "Spanish. I'll leave the link below if"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "you want to check out the original"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "interview. We have translated the"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "transcript here which I will be reading"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "from but please feel free to go check"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "out the original. This is from Mr."}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "Dretche and pardon for some of the"}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "translation might not be 100% accurate"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "so be mindful of that. Here we go. We"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "are two on duty and we hear it was"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "around 11 in the morning more or less. A"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "very quiet shift. There was no traffic."}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "Conditions were excellent. Blue sky, no"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "clouds, nothing. Everything fine. It"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "wasn't a distress call. Let me make that"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "clear. I was working my normal shift in"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "the Aquapokco control tower. It was"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "approximately 11:00 in the morning."}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "Normally there are two people on the"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "tower shift. We were seated. It was very"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "quiet shift. There wasn't much traffic."}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "Clear sky, no clouds, no traffic. And a"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "call comes in on the tower frequency"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "which was 118.5."}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "I remember it very well. And he says,"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "\"Appulco control tower. We are aircraft"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "XBOX.\""}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "But they said it really said it using"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "phonetic alphabet that is XB Zulu Oscar"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "X-ray."}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "One of those you call Cessna 150."}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "That caught my attention. He said you"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "call them as if the pilot is also"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "involved in this. Why say you call them?"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "And the way he spoke to me, the way he"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "said it caught my attention."}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "So the entity is clearly the one"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "communicating here and he's like I'm in"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "this type of airplane which you call a"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "Cessna which is such a weird thing to"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "hear if you're at radio control and I"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "say yes go ahead give me your position"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "at the time there was no radar in"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "Aapokco yet we did what's called manual"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "control which is calculation by speed"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "distance and time and almost immediately"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "he says to me"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "the voice you are hearing is from"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "extraterrestrial beings"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "And this is the alien speaking."}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "Look, I'm going to explain the ZOX"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "aircraft. The pilot is flying in a"}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "hypnotic state. We are using his vocal"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "cords to speak to you. He is not aware."}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "He is speaking. Rather, he is being used"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "by us so that we can speak with you."}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "I was truly astonished when he told me"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "all this. And I say, tell me the"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "position of the aircraft. He says"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "it is flying south of your airport over"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "the sea."}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "South in Aapokco is straight out over"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "the sea. And then he starts telling me a"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "series of things and I say what's your"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "position? He says"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "we are flying stationary"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "or rather"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "we are stationary over your airport at"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "an altitude of about 85,000 ft."}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "That catches my attention because 85,000"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "ft is not an altitude that an aircraft"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "can normally fly. not airliners, much"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "less private planes. Obviously, also too"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "much for a Cessna. Uh, a Cessna has a"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "service ceiling of no more than 15,000"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "ft or so. The ones at that altitude"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "wasn't the Cessna. It was those people"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "or the people that were speaking through"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "Raphael. I go over to the window. I get"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "up from my chair. I go to the window."}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "And what we controllers always do is"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "look around with our eyes for whoever is"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "talking to us uh when they're near the"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "airport. And I look up and he says,"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "\"No, no, no. Don't look for us because"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "you can't see us.\""}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "This greatly caught my attention because"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "the one who was speaking with me was"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "seeing me. He saw my movements when I"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "went up to the glass. And this really"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "astonished me because someone can't see"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "me if I'm in the control tower. It's a"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "very high place. And he saw what I did."}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "I sit down again and I'm astonished. So"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "the interviewer then asks, \"We know from"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "the chronicles of that time that there"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "were some leaks to the press and that"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "this supposed extraterrestrial being"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "spoke to you in German because you speak"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "that language. Is that true, Mr."}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "Dreshy?\" 100% sure."}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "I speak German. My family, my parents"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "spoke to me in German all my life and I"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "was at the German school. So my"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "language, I grew up with the language"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "until I was 15."}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "And then he begins to speak to me. The"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "voice of the one who was speaking to me"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "was completely was a completely metallic"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "voice."}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "Let's suppose like when a robot is"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "speaking something like that in normal"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "Spanish but a kind of slow metallic"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "voice. The interviewer asks without any"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "accent from some country. No, no, no"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "accent of any kind. He only spoke to me"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "in normal Spanish but as if it were a"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "robot. We are speaking with you like"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "that in in that manner."}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "And then he starts telling me a number"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "of very interesting things. He says"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "we are extraterrestrial beings. We are"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "from another world. And I ask from which"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "world. He says"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "it could be any world because we move"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "throughout the universe. And since that"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "time I was very interested in that kind"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "of thing. It astonishes me. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "scare me, but yes, it astonishes me"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "because I realize I'm having an"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "experience. And he says, \"We are beings"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "from another world.\" So, at this point,"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "Mr. Deshy is kind of excited because I"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "think he's realizing that he he's having"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "first contact."}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "He's communicating"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "with an entity from another world."}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "And I say, \"Well, how is it that you can"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "speak to me in Spanish?\" He says,"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "\"What happens is that among many things"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "we can do, we can speak the language of"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "this world or any world.\""}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "And since my native language was always"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "German, and thinking German isn't a"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "common language, I said, \"Well, let's"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "see if you can really speak any"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "language.\" And I speak to him in German."}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "That is, I ask questions again in"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "German, and he answers me in perfect"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "English, not in German, but in English,"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "but I'd like to imagine he did it to"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "show I understand your German. And I"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "also speak English. That's what he led"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "me to understand. Rather, that's how I"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "chose to understand it. And well, in"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "Spanish, too, of course. And I'm again"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "very astonished."}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "Oh, this is interesting. So, he didn't"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "actually speak German. Ah, he responded"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "in English. Oh, that changes things a"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "little bit. That does add a little bit"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "of uh"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "a little bit of skepticism here, I would"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "say. Conviction level lowered by a few"}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "points, but not too much. Interviewer"}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "asks with the same metallic sound. The"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "same at this point, and he's beginning"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "to tell me they were beings from another"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "world and they could speak many"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "languages and so on. Another airplane"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "calls me on frequency flying over"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "Aapokco Bay to the right of the airport"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "four or five miles out and he calls me"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "on frequency and says Aapulokco tower"}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "the aircraft you're speaking to the"}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "XBZOX"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "what is it doing in Aapulco"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "I am the director of Aquuela Mexico in"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "Mexico City and that aircraft is ours"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "and we want to know what's going on I"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "say sir if you don't know even less do I"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "he just checked in with me I'm trying to"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "give him instructions. They're speaking"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "with me. I don't know. Give me"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "instructions to land."}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "My colleague brings him to land. This"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "director is astonished. I don't recall"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "the director's name. He comes to the"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "control tower and says, \"Let me tell you"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "that XBZOX is a Cessna 150, a very small"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "airplane. Its fuel quantity is extremely"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "limited. Its range is very short. And"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "it's not possible for this man. We think"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "we know who he is because we're looking"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "for him. We already had him listed as an"}, {"end": "00:50:12", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "emergency. Maybe he'd crashed. They're"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "already searching for him in Mexico"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:12", "text": "City. So, may I use your phone? Of"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "course. And he calls his school. So, he"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "says, \"The airplane is ours from the"}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "school. And can I use your phone?\" And"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "he makes a call and says, \"Suspend the S"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "search. The aircraft has appeared. It's"}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "not crashed. It's mysteriously flying"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "south of Aapulco.\""}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:33", "text": "Interviewer says, \"This is very"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "coincidental, isn't it? Very"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "coincidental that the director of the"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "corresponding school also turned up.\""}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "The controller says, \"Very coincidental."}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "He didn't know that one of his airplanes"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "was flying in the Aquapokco area with an"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "airplane that doesn't know how to do"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "that, can't do that, doesn't have the"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "fuel endurance to do it, and supposedly"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "the one flying it didn't have the"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "experience to do it either. So don't"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "search anymore. It's appeared.\" By then,"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "in a short time, the civil aviation"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "inspector was already up with me in the"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "tower, the airport commander, the owner"}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "of the school. And shortly after, I had,"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "I don't know, six or seven people there,"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "utterly astonished. And they asked me"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "things. And I said, \"Wait a moment. Let"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "me speak with this gentleman because as"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "controller, I have to give"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "instructions.\" And I say, \"Give me your"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "position.\""}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "And he says, \"Twer, I don't know where I"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "am, nor do I really know who I'm"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:29", "text": "speaking to.\" And I say, \"You're"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "speaking with the Aapulco control"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "tower.\""}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "So the interview says, \"At that moment,"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "the extraterrestrial was no longer"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "speaking. Or did it continue?\" The"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "controller says, \"Well, yes, I skipped a"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "bit. You're right.\" In truth, when the"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "voice starts saying things to me, I keep"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "asking why they were giving me that kind"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "of information. Because they spoke about"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "the world coming to an end. that there"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "would be self-destruction among"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "countries and well that there would be"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "what we now know there is right and I"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "asked why he was giving me that kind of"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "information and like not to a president"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "or I don't know a defense secretary why"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "to me and I remember he said"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "we cannot make communication with just"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "anyone"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "with you we can"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "I didn't understand why"}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "what was different about me for this"}, {"end": "00:52:27", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "message to be given to one person rather"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "than another."}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:27", "text": "That is very strange. That's a very"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "strange answer. They go on telling me"}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "that they had the power of mimicry, that"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "they could modify their molecular and"}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "atomic structure to be seen or not seen,"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "that they could do many things. This"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "message lasted approximately what I can"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "tell you about 40 minutes. God, I would"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "love to hear that message."}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "And while I was being given this"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "message, I'm talking about I already had"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "the people I mentioned there and they"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "were listening to the conversation. And"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "then the interviewer says, \"So the"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "extraterrestrial or supposed"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "extraterrestrial continued speaking in"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "English.\" He said, \"No, no, no. When I"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "asked him to speak German, he answered"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "me in English. After that, everything"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "was in Spanish again. All in Spanish.\""}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "So they were telling me they would"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "intervene to save humanity when the time"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "came. In other words, they were setting"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "themselves up as saviors in a difficult"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "situation. They were telling me all"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "these things above all about being seen"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "or not, about the world's languages,"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "about being able to save the world in"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "case of a conflration. They were giving"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "a message, let's say, to humanity. Now,"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "this wouldn't be the first time we've"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "had some type of being from another"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "world warn humanity. This happens"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "essentially during every single"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "abduction encounter. This also happens"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "during DMT trips. This also has happened"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "with Dan Fry, I think in 1951 or 52 with"}, {"end": "00:54:01", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "the White Sands incident. Dr. Dir Fry,"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "you have been on a a on an"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:01", "text": "extraterrestrial vehicle on a spaceship"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "which is supposed to have entered the"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "Earth's atmosphere from outer space. How"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "was it? What what did actually happen"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "and when it took place on the evening of"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "the 4th of July way back in the year"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "1950?"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "It occurred at the White Sands Proving"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "Grounds near Los Cusus, New Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:54:33", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "where I was employed at that time to set"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "up instrumentations for testing of some"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:33", "text": "large rocket motors."}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "The event was simply the setting down to"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "Earth of a sampling device"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "which apparently was being used at that"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "time to take samples of Earth's"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "atmosphere at ground level"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "where he met this alien from another"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "planet, maybe Venus or something, and"}, {"end": "00:54:58", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "gave him channeled, you know, or"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "telepathically gave him a message for"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:58", "text": "humanity to like put away the A and H"}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "bombs and, you know, kind of like drop"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "the nukes and get back to your spiritual"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "journey type When I realized that, as I"}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "said, about 30 40 minutes had gone by."}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "He says,"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "\"We are going to suspend the"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "communication because we want this"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "person to land at your airport safe and"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "sound. We don't want to do him any"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "harm.\""}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "Then I said, \"Well, when are we going to"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "speak again or in what time will we"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "return?\""}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "We don't know when. very soon or perhaps"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "never because time is not a factor for"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "us. We do not take time into account for"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "us. Time does not exist. Very soon or"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "perhaps never. And you will learn of our"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "presence again"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "someday."}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "Whoa. This interview, by the way, that"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "we're talking that we're reading through"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "right now was 2012. So I wonder if he'd"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "ever had some other confirmation since"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "then."}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "Who knows? Well, I was truly astonished."}, {"end": "00:56:07", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "And then the communication is cut and"}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "reestablished almost immediately now"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:07", "text": "with the pilot's voice when he's"}, {"end": "00:56:14", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "supposedly no longer hypnotized without"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "a frequency change. No, no, no. The same"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "frequency. On the same frequency, they"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "cause the pilot to return to"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "consciousness and he begins to speak."}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "Now him, not me speaking with them"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "through him, that is his unconscious or"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "hypnotized state is restored to normal."}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "And he starts shouting at me, \"I'm 82."}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "I'm 82.\" And I obviously don't"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "understand. I say, \"What do you mean by"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "that? I'm student 82 from Esqueella,"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "Mexico. I I want to know who I'm"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "speaking with and where I'm flying.\""}, {"end": "00:56:48", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "But now he was speaking very distressed."}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "Well, not yelling at me, but desperate."}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:48", "text": "He says, \"I'm looking at my watch. It's"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "about 11:30 a.m. I took off at 8:15 a.m."}, {"end": "00:56:58", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "from Mexico City on a local flight more"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "or less towards Chimal Hakan where the"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:56:58", "text": "pyramids are. Oh, interesting. Pyramids."}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "That was my practice area. 2 or 3 hours"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "have gone by and I'm seeing that I'm"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "flying over the sea. I don't know where"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "I am or how I got here. For now, I can"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "tell you you're speaking with the"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "Aapokco control tower. I'm the"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "controller on duty. Give me instructions"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "to land. Well, give me your position."}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "I'm not seeing you. I don't know where"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "you are. There was no radar. He says, \"I"}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "can only see water. Everywhere I look,"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "it's only water. What do I do?\" I didn't"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "know what to do because he couldn't give"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "me any reference. After a minute or two,"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "he says, \"I think I see the coastline.\""}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "And I say, \"Then head towards the"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "coastline.\" So, we at least have a"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "reference over water. I won't be able to"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "determine anything. He starts talking."}, {"end": "00:57:49", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "He says, \"I'm almost over land now. Now"}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "give me instructions. Okay, what do you"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:49", "text": "see? It looks like I see the city with a"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "bay on the left. And I say, then you're"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "very close to the airport. The airport"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "is in between what is Aapokco Bay,"}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "Aapokco itself, the airport, and behind"}, {"end": "00:58:06", "start": "00:58:02", "text": "the airport, it's a lagoon. I see the"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "lagoon now. And he would say, I don't"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:06", "text": "see or I do see until he says, I see"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "your runway. And then I blocked the"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "airport. Nobody goes out. Nobody comes"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "in to practically give him an emergency"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "landing. Thank you very much. So during"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "those 40 minutes, people didn't move."}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "The medical person, the airport"}, {"end": "00:58:24", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "administrator, and they listened to the"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "entire conversation."}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "It was listened to in full by them."}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "The pilot finally lands fine. And of"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "course, the moment he lands, all these"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "people went down, went to the airplane"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "and made determinations, took photos,"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "drew up records that this kid, uh,"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "Raphael Perez was not drunk or drugged."}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "He was physically fine, if very nervous,"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "but he wasn't under the influence of any"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "substance of any kind, just very"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "nervous."}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "They took, I imagine, some immediate"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "medical exam to check he was okay."}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "He still manages to say to me, \"Twer,"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "please make a record of what happened"}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "because they're not going to believe"}, {"end": "00:59:11", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "me.\" And I say, \"Don't worry. You"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "involve me on a frequency for 40"}, {"end": "00:59:15", "start": "00:59:11", "text": "minutes. This is automatically on record"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "because I'm involved with you. You spoke"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:15", "text": "with me and I with you. We have"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "authorities here present and listening"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "and it's being recorded.\""}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "Interviewer, and you had to sign the"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "document, controller. Yeah. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "This is crazy, man. That exists. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "we heard a snippet of this distress"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "call. I would love to hear the extent of"}, {"end": "00:59:43", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "it. If anyone out there knows anything"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "about this case, please reach out. Mr."}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:43", "text": "Drete says, \"Let me mention something,"}, {"end": "00:59:48", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "Carlos. At the beginning, when he calls"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "me on the tower frequency, he asks for a"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:48", "text": "frequency change. That is not to be on"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "the tower frequency itself because he"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "didn't want to disturb traffic. I say,"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "\"Stay on that frequency. No problem."}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "There's no traffic right now. Give me a"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "frequency change. I want a frequency"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "where there are no airplanes"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "and where it's not recorded. So, I give"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "him another frequency that I could"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "listen to that I could manage. And it"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "happened to be the frequency of the jet"}, {"end": "01:00:16", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "bridges for passengers. Those little"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "buses that attached to the plane and"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:16", "text": "disembark people, they used that"}, {"end": "01:00:22", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "frequency. So, officially, this whole"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "conversation was not recorded on an"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:22", "text": "aeronautical frequency."}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "That doesn't mean it wasn't recorded."}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "They asked it not to be. I don't know"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "the reason. Was that request when you"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "started talking with the supposed"}, {"end": "01:00:38", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "extraterrestrial or at the end?"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "A little after the start. So, he asked"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:38", "text": "me for the frequency change. Yes, of"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "course. Oh, wait. Okay. So, maybe there"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "isn't a transcript here. Maybe the only"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "part that was recorded was that little"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "snippet that you heard earlier on, which"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "was him saying, \"I'm using this man as a"}, {"end": "01:00:57", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "microphone.\""}, {"end": "01:00:57", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:01:02", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "Unlucky. The authorities check him and"}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "so on. Another very important event"}, {"end": "01:01:08", "start": "01:01:02", "text": "comes that is truly astonishing. A"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "mechanic from Arrow Mexico. You know"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:08", "text": "full well pilots, controllers,"}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "mechanics, dispatchers. We have an"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "aeronautical license that gives us the"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "authority to do what we do and we can't"}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "play with that license. What we do and"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "say is so an Aero Mexico mechanic comes"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "over or they call him so that as an"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "expert as a mechanic he can verify the"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "airplane's fuel. Somehow they verify the"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "fuel and realize the plane had not"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "consumed fuel because they check with"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "the flight plan filed in Mexico how much"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "he loaded and now how much he had burned"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "and he had not burned it. What? Wait,"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "this goes against what they were saying"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "earlier. I guess his gauges were off"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "when he said, \"I looked at my gauges and"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "he said the fuel tanks were empty.\" So"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "that must have been Raphael"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "reading the faulty gauges because when"}, {"end": "01:02:04", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "they measured the fuel tanks, they were"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "full. This plane flew about 3 hours with"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:04", "text": "a pilot who didn't know navigation with"}, {"end": "01:02:13", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "an airplane that in theory doesn't have"}, {"end": "01:02:16", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "the range to get to Aapulco, much less"}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:13", "text": "with the proper instruments. No radar,"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:16", "text": "no transponder, nothing. And a"}, {"end": "01:02:23", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "completely inexperienced pilot. But most"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:21", "text": "astonishing is that he did not burn"}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:23", "text": "gasoline. When the pilot is told, later"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "I even ask someone to ask him something"}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "in English. He says, \"Excuse me, but I"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "don't speak a single word of English. I"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "only speak Spanish.\" So, who was it who"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:35", "text": "understood me in German? Spoke to me in"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "English and in Spanish. It was his"}, {"end": "01:02:45", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "voice, but it wasn't him. the languages"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "that they could see me when I looked for"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:45", "text": "him, the fuel, and what he himself"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "recounts when he gives his account and"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "he says that he was flying after 10 or"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "15 minutes of flying in the in the"}, {"end": "01:02:58", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "Mexico City practice area. He intended"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "to return to land. He tries to use his"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:58", "text": "radio, has no communication. He tries to"}, {"end": "01:03:06", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "bank left or right. The plane doesn't"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "respond up, down, or to the sides."}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:06", "text": "He starts to get scared. And as far as"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "he remembers, the plane starts flying"}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "upward and backwards and upward. Imagine"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "they took him, suctioned him somehow."}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "That's where he remembers up to. He"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "loses consciousness and regains it 3"}, {"end": "01:03:26", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "hours later in Aapulco when he's"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "speaking with me. Interviewer says,"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:26", "text": "however, if he had done it as a student,"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "given all the mountains there are, he"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "might have had an accident. And the"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "controller says, \"Of course, because the"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "pass between Mexico City and Aapulco"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "must cross Chipau"}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "Chil Pansingo.\""}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "In Chilaningo, there are very high hills"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "there. The minimum to cross on"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "instruments, the airway, I think, calls"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "for 13,000 to 14,000 ft. He seems never"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "to have flown at that altitude. He was"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "around 9,000 or 8,000 ft. So he was"}, {"end": "01:04:04", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "weaving through but supposedly he didn't"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "fly. They took him. So he didn't have"}, {"end": "01:04:09", "start": "01:04:04", "text": "that problem because the transfer of the"}, {"end": "01:04:12", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "airplane from Mexico City well Chimal"}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:09", "text": "Hakan to the sea at Akapulco didn't"}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:12", "text": "happen by the airplane's own flight but"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "some other means that no one knows how."}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "So what did the Aapulco authorities say?"}, {"end": "01:04:23", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "Look, they limited themselves to say"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "nothing. In fact, when I was made to"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:23", "text": "sign a statement, it's normal. At that"}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "time we were radio aeronautica"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "Mexicanana ramsa not s neam as now. That"}, {"end": "01:04:37", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "statement which was signed before the"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "aviation authority with the commander"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:37", "text": "the inspector and so on and I signed as"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "a protagonist of this matter as an"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "integral part of it was stamped"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "confidential where supposedly nobody"}, {"end": "01:04:51", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "knows nobody knew. The company itself"}, {"end": "01:04:53", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "forbade me to speak to anyone about it."}, {"end": "01:04:55", "start": "01:04:51", "text": "They said many people will would seek me"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:53", "text": "out, but please do not speak about it."}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:55", "text": "They could even have fired me if I had."}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "Okay. So, he was warned and threatened"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "about his job and and made to sign a"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "document, a non-disclosure agreement uh"}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "that he couldn't bring this up. So, what"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "did the authorities themselves say? I"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "don't know. They had no explanation like"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "anyone else. What was a fact was that"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "the airplane could not have avoided"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "burning fuel. And what they later hear,"}, {"end": "01:05:22", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "the recording they hear was because a"}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "driver of one of those jet bridges"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:22", "text": "accidentally recorded all this. And it"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:25", "text": "seems they were able to hear it. We"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "don't know who kept that tape. It"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "mysteriously disappeared. I don't know"}, {"end": "01:05:37", "start": "01:05:31", "text": "if the tape was someone ran off with it."}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "We don't know. But those 40 minutes, it"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:37", "text": "seems too long for a time for the"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "extraterrestrial or supposed"}, {"end": "01:05:43", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "extraterrestrial to have been speaking"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "with that series of catastrophic"}, {"end": "01:05:48", "start": "01:05:43", "text": "messages. Wait, so there is a tape?"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "Okay,"}, {"end": "01:05:51", "start": "01:05:48", "text": "we're flip-flopping back and forth"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "between there is, there isn't, is there?"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:51", "text": "Who recorded it?"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "It's out there, apparently. So the"}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "interviewer says the idea of those"}, {"end": "01:06:00", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "beings was not threatening. They didn't"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:58", "text": "want to present as something bad, but on"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:06:00", "text": "the contrary, as positive, as if they"}, {"end": "01:06:06", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "were good, as if they were going to help"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "humanity, as if the bad ones were us."}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:06", "text": "controller. The controller says he says"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "you, for example, the only thing we see"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "is that you make weapons to kill each"}, {"end": "01:06:19", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "other. We see that the inhabited beings,"}, {"end": "01:06:22", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "you are the worst beings, the worst"}, {"end": "01:06:24", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "inhabitants of the universe because we"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:22", "text": "see you kill each other."}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:24", "text": "That is, they rated us as the worst of"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "what can be alive in the universe. So,"}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "they presented themselves like, well,"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "poor earthlings, right? But we will help"}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:36", "text": "you when the time comes. We're super"}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "good."}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:42", "text": "The worst in the universe. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "that kind of aligns with the prison"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:48", "text": "planet theory when you think about it."}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "Like, this is where they put the worst"}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "of the worst prisoners from the entire"}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "universe. So,"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:58", "text": "does that give does that lend a little"}, {"end": "01:07:07", "start": "01:07:00", "text": "credence to Matilda Mroyy's statement?"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "I don't know. But uh I don't like I"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:07", "text": "don't like that of the whole universe."}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "You know how many planets there are out"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "there? Really? All of them? Every single"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "one?"}, {"end": "01:07:21", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "There's not one. Like we're not top"}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "bottom five. We're"}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:21", "text": "the worst. So the interviewer asks,"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:23", "text": "\"After so many years since you were a"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "participant and witnessed that"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "extraordinary experience, what do you"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "really think you lived through?\" And he"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "goes, \"Look, at that time in my life, I"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "was a controller. And I can tell you"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "that afterward, there were other events"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "where I could verify that very strange"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "things were happening."}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "I always believed this could be"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "something that someone was visiting.\" At"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "that time in my life, in my mind, I"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "thought we are not alone in the"}, {"end": "01:07:52", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "universe. That's what I thought because"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "later as a controller in Aapulco and"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:52", "text": "later in Tuca, we had a series of"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "phenomena, not the same as this, but"}, {"end": "01:08:01", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "seeing strange things on the radar. very"}, {"end": "01:08:03", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "strange things that I don't recall now"}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:01", "text": "because it would take us another half"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:03", "text": "hour. But at that moment, it was very"}, {"end": "01:08:11", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "clear to me this was real. I believe"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "that this happened. Now, who are they?"}, {"end": "01:08:14", "start": "01:08:11", "text": "Where do they come from? I can't tell"}, {"end": "01:08:17", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "you because they didn't identify"}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:14", "text": "themselves as such either."}, {"end": "01:08:22", "start": "01:08:17", "text": "What was a reality is that I risked my"}, {"end": "01:08:25", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "aeronautical license on a truth that I"}, {"end": "01:08:27", "start": "01:08:22", "text": "lived that happened."}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:25", "text": "There was simply an event outside the"}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:27", "text": "normal, completely paranormal. Because"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "of the fuel issue, because of the"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:31", "text": "languages, because they saw me, because"}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "of what the pilot himself recounts,"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "inexperience, inexperienced. The plane"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "didn't have the capability to fly like"}, {"end": "01:08:44", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "that. So, something very strange"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "happened. Then, a series of things"}, {"end": "01:08:48", "start": "01:08:44", "text": "happened to me years later as a"}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "controller, and I continue to consider"}, {"end": "01:08:53", "start": "01:08:48", "text": "that strange things exist in the cosmos,"}, {"end": "01:08:55", "start": "01:08:51", "text": "in the universe. It's my very personal"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:53", "text": "point of view that things happen and"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:55", "text": "keep happening because my colleagues who"}, {"end": "01:09:03", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "still work keep experiencing things."}, {"end": "01:09:05", "start": "01:09:00", "text": "Things keep happening. I have a lot of"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:03", "text": "contact with pilots. Many of them are"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:05", "text": "really good friends of mine. They've"}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "seen impressive things. They have"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "photographs of strange things. So, my"}, {"end": "01:09:15", "start": "01:09:11", "text": "very particular point of view is that"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "things happen in the universe. I can't"}, {"end": "01:09:20", "start": "01:09:15", "text": "tell you what, but I lived one of them"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "and it wasn't something normal. The"}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:20", "text": "interviewer then says, \"A moment ago,"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "you mentioned that the recording wasn't"}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:23", "text": "possible because of the frequency change"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "that this being asked for, but what"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "would you say if out there I know"}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "someone who has this recording? Would"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "you relive that part?\" And he says, \"I'd"}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "love to listen to it because in fact,"}, {"end": "01:09:41", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "some pilot friends of mine, I think"}, {"end": "01:09:44", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "through my daughter who is also in all"}, {"end": "01:09:46", "start": "01:09:41", "text": "of this, she's a pilot, sent me a"}, {"end": "01:09:48", "start": "01:09:44", "text": "fragment of that tape. The audio is very"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:46", "text": "bad, but it gave me a bit of goosebumps"}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:48", "text": "because I managed to hear something that"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "I know was how it happened because it"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "was me, but with terrible sound and so"}, {"end": "01:10:00", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "on. So, I really would like to hear it"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "because it would be interesting to"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:00", "text": "relive all of this because it was"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "something incredible,"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "fascinating. I mean, I'm not going to"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:07", "text": "repeat all the things that are so"}, {"end": "01:10:14", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "impossible that went on with this case,"}, {"end": "01:10:18", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "but I mean, it seems"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:14", "text": "not only that we have two highly"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:18", "text": "anomalous"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "commandeering almost of vehicles and"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "human beings happen within, you know,"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "the span of a year in the same sort of"}, {"end": "01:10:33", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "local geographical area."}, {"end": "01:10:35", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "but that also there appears to be cover"}, {"end": "01:10:37", "start": "01:10:33", "text": "up in both cases and that this is"}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:35", "text": "nothing new that pilots see things."}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:37", "text": "We've had pilots call in here. We have a"}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "1-800 number where you're free to tell"}, {"end": "01:10:45", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "us your stories. The amount of pilots"}, {"end": "01:10:47", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "that have called in is kind of"}, {"end": "01:10:49", "start": "01:10:45", "text": "staggering"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:47", "text": "and most of them don't want to go public"}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:49", "text": "because they might lose their license."}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:51", "text": "They're afraid to be ridiculed or, you"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "know, lose their job. They'll be"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:56", "text": "considered unstable somehow. And and for"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "a pilot, that's very serious. What do"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "you guys think of this case? One thing I"}, {"end": "01:11:07", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "mentioned at the top of this"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "investigation was Frederick Valentich."}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:07", "text": "Um, this is another sort of"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "commandeering of a vehicle potentially,"}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:13", "text": "but this one's a little more mysterious."}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "I wanted to throw it out there just"}, {"end": "01:11:20", "start": "01:11:16", "text": "because it's tangentially related as it"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "is a pilot encountering something"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:20", "text": "anomalous. But then the aircraft"}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "actually goes missing. And this happened"}, {"end": "01:11:29", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "in 1978, so two years after what"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:26", "text": "happened to Raphael."}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:29", "text": "This is October 21st, 1978. Frederick"}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "Valantich was a 20-year-old Australian"}, {"end": "01:11:39", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "pilot. He was on a solo flight over Bass"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:37", "text": "Strait, and his final radio"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:39", "text": "transmissions described an encounter"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "with a UFO, and he was never seen again."}, {"end": "01:11:48", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "Here is the shocking, terrifying, and"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "very ominous final words of Frederick"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:48", "text": "Valentich, followed by 17 seconds of"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "unexplained metallic scraping sounds."}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "This is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there"}, {"end": "01:12:03", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "any known traffic below 5,000 ft?"}, {"end": "01:12:05", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "No known traffic."}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:03", "text": "Seems to be a large aircraft below 5,000"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:05", "text": "ft."}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:07", "text": "What type of aircraft is it?"}, {"end": "01:12:15", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "I cannot confirm. It's full bright."}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "Seems to me like landing lights. The"}, {"end": "01:12:20", "start": "01:12:15", "text": "aircraft has just passed over me at at"}, {"end": "01:12:22", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "least 1,000 ft above. Is there any air"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:20", "text": "force aircraft in the vicinity?"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:22", "text": "No known aircraft in the vicinity. seems"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "to be playing some sort of game. He's"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "flying over me."}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "Elder Sierra Juliet, it's not an"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "aircraft."}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "Can you describe the uh the aircraft?"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "As it's flying past, it's a long shape."}, {"end": "01:12:47", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "Cannot identify it. It has such speed."}, {"end": "01:12:50", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "It's before me right now. Melbourne,"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:47", "text": "how large would the um the object be?"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:50", "text": "Seems like it's stationary. What it's"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "doing right now is orbiting. The thing"}, {"end": "01:13:00", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "is just orbiting on top of me. It's also"}, {"end": "01:13:04", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "got a green light and a sort of metallic"}, {"end": "01:13:06", "start": "01:13:00", "text": "like it's shining on the outside."}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:04", "text": "It's just vanished."}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:06", "text": "That strange aircraft hovering on top of"}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "me again. It's hovering and it's not an"}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "aircraft."}, {"end": "01:13:21", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "So, a massive search effort covered more"}, {"end": "01:13:24", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "than a thousand square miles of sea and"}, {"end": "01:13:26", "start": "01:13:21", "text": "land. No trace of Valentic or his plane"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:24", "text": "was found, but 5 years later, an engine"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:26", "text": "cowl flap washed ashore on uh Flender's"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "Island. It was confirmed to be from a"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "Cessna 182 within Valent's aircraft"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "serial number range. Okay. So, was that"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "his plane? Can't say for sure, but uh"}, {"end": "01:13:46", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "seems that way. Uh but then what's"}, {"end": "01:13:47", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "interesting is that numerous witnesses"}, {"end": "01:13:50", "start": "01:13:46", "text": "reported seeing a green light in the sky"}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:47", "text": "that night and one person even saw a"}, {"end": "01:13:54", "start": "01:13:50", "text": "green light hovering above a small"}, {"end": "01:13:57", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "aircraft near the time Valent"}, {"end": "01:13:59", "start": "01:13:54", "text": "disappeared and an amateur photographer"}, {"end": "01:14:02", "start": "01:13:57", "text": "named Roy Manifold captured photos of an"}, {"end": "01:14:04", "start": "01:13:59", "text": "object exiting the ocean near Cape"}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:02", "text": "Otwway on the same evening. The analysis"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:04", "text": "was inconclusive. Now I I can't vouch"}, {"end": "01:14:12", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "for this photo. To me, this looks like"}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "it could be a fly, just like a horse"}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:12", "text": "fly. Like you maybe see its like"}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "transparent wing and its body. I I"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "wouldn't say that this is a UFO for"}, {"end": "01:14:24", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "sure, but if it was, I mean, highly"}, {"end": "01:14:26", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "anomalous, you know, for sure. Having"}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:24", "text": "such a weird, strange distress call"}, {"end": "01:14:31", "start": "01:14:26", "text": "prior to his disappearance makes it that"}, {"end": "01:14:35", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "much more mysterious. But it should be"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:31", "text": "noted that he was a believer in UFOs and"}, {"end": "01:14:39", "start": "01:14:35", "text": "had expressed concern apparently about"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "being attacked by them. So I don't know"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:39", "text": "how true that is. If that's inserted by"}, {"end": "01:14:47", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "the Men in Black, I don't know. But"}, {"end": "01:14:51", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "there you go. So folks, that is today's"}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:47", "text": "comprehensive little deep dive into"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:51", "text": "the stories of not only Raphael Pacheco"}, {"end": "01:15:01", "start": "01:14:55", "text": "Perez and his alien channeling"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "experience and his mysterious"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:01", "text": "teleportation, but also the story of"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:03", "text": "Carlos de los Santos and his flight"}, {"end": "01:15:11", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "incident that happened when he was"}, {"end": "01:15:15", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "commandeered by three unidentified"}, {"end": "01:15:17", "start": "01:15:11", "text": "flying saucers and then subsequently ly"}, {"end": "01:15:21", "start": "01:15:15", "text": "threatened by Nordicl looking men in"}, {"end": "01:15:23", "start": "01:15:17", "text": "black. Also, Joe McMongle's tale of his"}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "nameless friend living in Fort"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:23", "text": "Lauderdale. And then finally, Frederick"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "Valentic's"}, {"end": "01:15:34", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "UFO disappearance incident in 1978."}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "Thank you folks for watching. I do"}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:34", "text": "appreciate you. Head on over to"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "Area52.shop if you want to support this"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "channel or check out our membership. You"}, {"end": "01:15:47", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "can join here on YouTube or head over to"}, {"end": "01:15:49", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "Patreon. 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[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Michael Masters, Dr. Michael Masters, a"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "professor of biological anthropology at"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Montana Tech, term that you coined the"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "extras"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "uh hypothesis or theory. The idea that"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "these beings that we're interacting with"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "are essentially time travelers and their"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "crafts are essentially time machines,"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "some of them. Yeah. And you can see"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "these patterns reemerge over and over"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "again from these cases. And what it"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "seems to indicate is that they're not"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "just us from the future,"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "but they're us from a lot of different"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "points in that future."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "You know, this brings me to something I"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "wanted to talk to you about and"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "something that you've talked about"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "before about an interaction you had at a"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "conference a few years ago."}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "Multiple interactions."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "Yes. Where the high strangeness began is"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "is with a UFO encounter. I was kind of"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "called out to look at them."}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "I say compelled. It wasn't like I was"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "instructed or anything. and then they"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "flew off at high speed. So, I was I was"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "full on wanting to quit. So, not long"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "after that UFO encounter, I had this"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "telepathic interaction with these"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "entities. And then that fall of 2022"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "is when I gave a talk at the"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "International UFO Congress."}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "I was taken up to a room. A stranger"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "comes out, puts his chair right up"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "against mine face to face, and then"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "tells me, \"Uh, we know you've been"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "thinking about quitting lately, and we"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "prefer you not do that.\" Problem is, I"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "didn't tell anybody that, but yeah,"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "that's something speaking through him."}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "And not just something, Chris, this is"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "the important part. It was the same"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "entities whom I have had multiple"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "interactions with since."}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "They said through him, \"Once you know"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "who we are, you'll know how we know"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "that.\" Three women came out onto the"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "balcony at one point and were sort of"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "made to turn and walk back inside. Um,"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "what do you mean made to turn?"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "None of us at this point they came out."}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "None of us were moving our mouths. He"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "turned and said, \"Can you close the"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "door?\" Like that's all I remember. And"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "all three of them turned at the exact"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "same time, walked back inside, closed"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "the door. Nobody came out the whole rest"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "of the time that this is taking place."}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "They eventually put me into a sort of"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "trance where my eyes were open."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "Everything was black so I couldn't see."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "It went black. Yeah. And they told me"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "that would happen. This is what will"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "happen. We need to put three things in"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "your brain. You won't have access to the"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "information. You'll still have your eyes"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "open, but everything will go black from"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "top to bottom. And then you'll start to"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "see and feel information. That is"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "exactly what happened."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "I did see the information. It did go in"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "my brain like a freaking fire hose. And"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "when it was over, I felt like my head"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "was very heavy. I could barely even lift"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "it. Um, and I don't have conscious"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "access to that information. Like, I"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "couldn't talk about it. It was just so"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "overwhelming. It It terrified you. It"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "terrified me."}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "Hey, Chris. Uh, I'm an Air Force"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "veteran. I was in the Air Force for 12"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "years and I'll never forget the moment I"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "sat through a classified briefing with"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "300 people in an auditorium where Air"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "Force Intelligence OSI stood up there on"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "a stage and told us"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "that this [\u00a0__\u00a0] is real. I mean, they"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "showed videos, they talked about"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "investigations, they talked about"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "sightings, they talked about everything."}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "I mean, it took days for everyone that"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "was in that briefing to get back to"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "normal. Um, I mean, it was it was"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "life-changing. It got me into this"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "subject, and since then, I've been"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "diving deep the last 5 years, and I've"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "come to the same conclusion. This shit's"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "real."}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, today I'm joined"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "by Michael Masters, Dr. Michael Masters,"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "a professor of biological anthropology"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "at Montana Tech whose uh dis doctoral"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "doctoral dissertation"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "Oh, you went deep."}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "Is uh yeah, was on cranioacial growth"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "and the development and hominin"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "evolution."}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "It's true."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "Um fascinating fascinating stuff. Your"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "name obviously has been synonymous with"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "the idea of future humans in this space."}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "uh and something you know a term that"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "you coined the extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "uh hypothesis or theory. Um you know"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "also your thesis was uh involved in"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "analyzing temporal shifts in the skull"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "and facial morphology of humans um"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "turning slowly into well into these"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "little guys here actually. Uh the gift"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "from Paul Heinik by the way."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "Oh those are beautiful."}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Yeah. Skifnomes as he calls them."}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "Skiffnomes doing little yoga poses. I"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "like it. Yeah. So, uh, Dr. Michael"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "Masters, um, thank you so much for"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "joining me today. I really appreciate"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "you, you know, traveling here from"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "Montana just to have a conversation with"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "me. It means a lot."}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "It's been great, man. I appreciate the"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "invite and it's been a lot of fun. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "bastardizing the French language while"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "I'm here for a couple days."}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "Yeah, definitely not the same French"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "language I'm sure you're used to."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "I mean, I wasn't great at it there"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "either when I was living in country, but"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "it is fun to try. I do appreciate the"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "culture and the language and uh French"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "Canadian. It's beautiful here. Beautiful"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "space. So yeah, thanks so much for"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "having me."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "Yeah, absolutely. Today we're going to"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "talk about a lot of things. Man, we had"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "we had breakfast prior to this and we"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "were just going down like some crazy"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "rabbit holes about, you know, where"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "we're where our minds are at"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "spiritually. Also talking about time"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "travel and all sorts of funky subjects"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "that I hope we'll get into."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "Yeah, absolutely. Um I do want to I do"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "want to sort of start and this is you"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "know part for the course every podcast"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "we got to run through a few things to"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "like catch people up on some of your"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "work. uh namely your first or the first"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "book that I have here the identified"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "flying objects which is uh basically"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "taking your thesis to like that next"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "level creating the theory that you have"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "and that you're known for in this space"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "which is the idea that these beings that"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "we're interacting with are essentially"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "time travelers and their crafts are"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "essentially possibly time machines some"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "of them. 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So your work essentially draws a"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "straight line in comparison from where"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "we came from where we are and if you"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "draw that line out even straighter you"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "get pretty much exactly what these"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "people are describing when they meet"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "these entities. Yeah, for the most part"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "I mean again there is a lot of variation"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "and we have to take that into account."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "You know as scientists we can't just"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "toss out outliers. 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This might be the best"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "information because they had the closest"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "form of a close encounter you can have."}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "And what they describe based on the"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "results of this study, the majority are"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "human just like us. Like that was the"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "most commonly described as human. 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So they have kitchens, they have"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "bathrooms, they have clothes strewn"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "about the floor of their craft, and they"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "look just like us. 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And what it"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "seems to indicate is that they're not"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "just us from the future, but they're us"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "from a lot of different points in that"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "future."}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "Whoa. Yeah, that would definitely fill"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "some plot holes there. Um, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "lot of the cases, uh, you know, some"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "cases which you have cited in the extra"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "tempestal model which, you know, you"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "look at Travis Walton where he had this"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "encounter primarily with these beings in"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "these orange suits that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "physiologically looked a little bit more"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "like this. I know there were some"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "differences, but they had the larger"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "heads. They were shorter um bigger eyes."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "But then throughout that he encounters"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "humans or what seems to be humans at"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "least and they possess like great"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "strength. Um you know beautiful"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "beautiful Yeah. They're like primeless."}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Yeah. With I think he said they have"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "like a familial connection almost like"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "they look like each other."}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "That's right. Yeah. And again, those are"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "things we'd expect based on another"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "common trope throughout the phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "is the hybridization program. So it's"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "important for the theory as a whole to"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "understand that based on the biological"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "classification of species concept where"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "if you have two organisms that can mate"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "and reproduce viable offspring, they're"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "considered the same species."}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "Classic example is the donkey and the"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "horse. They can make a mule, but that"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "mule is infertile, so we consider them"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "separate species. However, if we're"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "reproducing with these advanced,"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "big-headed aliens,"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "by the definition that we've established"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "for what two species are as the same"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "species, they would be considered the"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "same species. But it's also that, you"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "know, that familial connection jumped"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "out to me cuz you might be taking the"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "same gametes from one individual who"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "have certain characteristics that you've"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "already identified in that person."}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "That's why you took them up and"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "extracted sperm and egg from them in the"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "first place. and then you reuse those in"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "other individuals. So you would expect"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "to have that sort of sibling"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "resemblance, maybe even twins"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "resemblance because you're using the"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "same gametes to make these same hybrid"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "individuals. So and and another thing"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "too like the whole walking amongst us"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "question. You could easily create humans"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "to fit in in any time period throughout"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "the past by taking the gametes of"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "certain individuals at different points"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "in that past and hybridizing them in"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "just the right way that they would"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "retain certain characteristics maybe"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "telepathic or um sort of high intellect"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "intuitive characteristics that are"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "indicative of the human future which"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "they seem to be based on these"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "encounters but give them the"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "physiological characteristics of people"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "at any time throughout the human past."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "I mean, I'm not saying that's happening."}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "I don't have proof that any of these"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "things are happening. I haven't seen it"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "myself. But the whole point in writing"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "these books was to just look at the"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "broad"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "um degree of variation in these accounts"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "and try to pull information from those"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "and recognizing patterns. And that's"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "what that's a big thing that we do in"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "anthropology in general is just try to"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "understand human variation, but also"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "those commonalities. We have we have"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "this thing that's sort of at the the"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "heart of what we do where we're focused"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "on cross-cultural variation over time,"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "over space. But what's even more"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "important to us are the commonalities,"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "what we call cultural universals."}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "And there's a lot of examples of this."}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "Things like marriage for instance, like"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "every culture throughout the world has"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "some form of marriage. Obviously,"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "there's a lot of difference in how we do"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "it in different places and throughout"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "time."}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "Um, an incest taboo. And these make"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "sense if you think about them. Like you"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "could have people throughout any culture"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "in the world start making babies with"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "close relatives and you get an increase"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "in homozygous recessive characteristics."}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "They're negative traits. They're bad."}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "And you go, \"Oh, I only see these when I"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "reproduce with my relatives. Maybe we"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "make a rule against that.\" So, a lot of"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "these have sort of an innate biological"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "origin point. But those things tell us"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "so much about what it means to be human"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "and about the human past and the way"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "people organize themselves. And I feel"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "like if we take these accounts"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "seriously, these encounters that people"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "have where they're actually in the"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "presence of the beings, communicating"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "with the beings, and we start to focus"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "on those commonalities, those sort of u"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "abduction universals, if you will, it"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "might give us deep insight into not just"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "who they are, where, when they're coming"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "from, but why they're doing what they're"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "doing, what their intentions are, what"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "our own future might look like based on"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "the the physiological and cultural"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "aspects of these beams."}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "H that's so interesting. And again, so"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "interesting that these might be from"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "different points in time like that we're"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "not dealing with one over encomp"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "all-encompassing species that's that's"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "traveling back because you know as you"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "know this is a strange area and in this"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "strange area there are so many outliers"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "like we're already dealing with an"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "anomalous uh topic within this anomalous"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "topic there are a million anomalies that"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "we can't that we have to consider right"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "and there's case that you talk about in"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "in your book um Antonio Vabboas"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "uh which I first heard about through"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "Carral Lorenzan in an old book. Um I"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "thought it was just one of the most"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "interesting obviously one of the"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "earliest sort of documented uh abduction"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "cases."}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "And"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "it was right around the Betty and Barney"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "Hill time. I think like late60s maybe"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "the exact"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "date. I think it I think it predates"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "Betty and Barney Hill."}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "I think you're right. I think you're"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "right. And uh but the the interesting"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "thing about that interaction, well,"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "first of all, you have all of the same"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "characteristic traits of an abduction."}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "You have his tractor not starting or"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "like shutting down. Uh you have an"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "egg-shaped craft, you know, tripod sort"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "of landing on the ground, and you have"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "these little men in space suits chasing"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "him. Um bringing him into the craft. Uh"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "and then"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "and then it gets hot"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "and then it gets busy."}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "Um there's but there are some"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "interesting points. So, for those that"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "don't know what ends up happening, they"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "stick him in a room, they forcefully"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "undress this gentleman, and in the in"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "the prior to this, actually, they"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "undress him and they wash they lather"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "him down with a clear liquid, which he"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "later perceives in an interview to be"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "some type of aphrodisiac."}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "Where Carl Lorenzo was like, \"No, I'm"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "pretty sure they were just wiping the"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "germs off you.\""}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "Yeah. It was It was probably a cleanse"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "probably. And based on his description"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "of the woman, I don't think he would"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "need it. Right. She was she was super"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "hot."}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "He was into it."}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "He was into it. Um she But she it was"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "also strange because she was like below"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "5T. She was like shorter. She was a"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "shorter person. Had like fiery red"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "crotch and armpit hair. Um but like high"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "cheekbones, big eyes, beautiful, but"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "like very strange physiological traits,"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "but still very human. Yeah. He said she"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "was human. Shed all the parts."}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "Just different from the humans that he's"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "been familiar with."}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "Yeah. And then they did the deed twice."}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "I didn't know about the second one."}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "It was twice."}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "I'm going to have to read up on this."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "He went back for a third time and she"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "pushed him off and he felt slighted at"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "this. He's like, \"Oh, I felt like a"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "stallion, like I was being used.\" And so"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "he was kind of heartbroken. My heart"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "I do remember him saying that he felt"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "like just kind of a a baby daddy from"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "the stars or something. He didn't use"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "those words."}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "Like that's how we might express it, but"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "I didn't realize that's why."}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "Yeah. And then she pointed uh to him,"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "her tummy, and then the stars. And he"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "interpreted that as, \"Oh, she'll be"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "back.\""}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "Which wild interpretation of that. Uh"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "but could tell you uh it's interesting"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "just psychologically what he was going"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "through. He was going through some type"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "of like heartbreak and and like you"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "know, scenario where to her it was"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "completely transactional."}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "It was. Yeah. It was for a purpose."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "Yeah. Um I I would love to know more"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "about the selection process too because"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "he did have an encounter with his"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "brother where they saw a light come"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "toward them. Um he looked at it for a"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "while then they both got the classic UFO"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "amnesia or ambivalence or whatever like"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "ah whatever we'll just go to sleep."}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "Um so clearly there was like a vetting"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "that happened beforehand"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "and yeah I thought it was really"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "interesting too how they they lthered"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "him up. They also made him puke."}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "Beforehand. So it's like a full expuning"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "of everything. Get rid of it. Wipe them"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "down. And that's something I overlook"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "too between my first and second books is"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "that if we do share an evolutionary"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "relationship with them and they are"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "human and we are human in different"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "forms, then we could obviously have more"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "vector diseases, communicable diseases"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "that that are spread between us. And and"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "that's not even something that crossed"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "my mind in the first book. But then I"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "started reading all of these cases."}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "There's another one of Mike and Leo"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "Dorsch, one of the first cases where"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "they were eventually allowed. It was it"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "was kind of like u"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "the children, right?"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "Uh they were boys. Yeah, they were just"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "young boys. Mike was Leo was older."}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "Mike, I think was his younger brother."}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "Eventually died in the Korean War."}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "but it was it was like Tamian the Fox"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "and the Little Prince. They were just"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "allowed to get a little closer each"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "time. And it's almost like they were"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "instructing them how to approach, but"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "also being mindful of, you know, the the"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "space and blowing their minds. and and"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "they eventually were allowed on the ship"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "and they made them go through a little"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "like spray cleanse and change clothes"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "which makes sense like we we can"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "exchange more pathogens with chimpanzees"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "because we share a more recent common"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "ancestor. 98% plus of our DNA is the"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "same. 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So, this is a one-stop men's"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "shop that literally has everything from"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "eyewear to footwear to, you know, shirts"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "to pants to whatever you need. So, what"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "they do is they take all these trusted"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "high-quality retailers, put them all"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "under one roof, so you don't have to go"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "to a thousand different sites. It's all"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "on their website. I've swapped out,"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "without exaggerating, my entire"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "wardrobe. 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They've got so many things"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "going on over there. Thanks, Huckberry."}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "And you won't regret it. Go check it"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "out."}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Bit of a tangent there, but it is"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "related."}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "question,"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "of course, and this comes up as well in"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "documented cases, you know, uh the my"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "mind goes to Virginia, Brazil, where"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "this gentleman after picking up one of"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "these oily sort of greased up lubed up"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "beings, uh he was all smelly, you know,"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "smelled like ammonia, smelt like, you"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "know, uh sulfur, whatever it was."}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "Brought him to the hospital. um ended up"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "dying and the what sort what was on the"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "um autopsy or whatever was general"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "infection."}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "And that's all they gave him was general"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "infection. So it's like that's a scary"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "thing cuz like scarier than you know"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "perhaps them shooting us with lasers"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "like some type of Independence Day"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "movie,"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "right,"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "is a disease that could just wipe us all"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "out."}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "And I mean there there are kind of"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "versions of that. It's not quite as as"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "cool and sexy, I guess, as lasers, you"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "know, things exploding. But"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "yeah, I mean, there was um a show I"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "watched with Ryan Reynolds. I probably"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "shouldn't bring stuff up if I can't"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "remember the details of it, but"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "um it was like some little uh creature"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "that they were studying in space and it"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "got loose and then it was coming down to"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "infect the whole planet. Ryan Reynolds"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "probably wasn't even in it. I really"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "suck at like movies and names. We get"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "Yeah, but look it up, I guess. I don't"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "even know what you would use to look"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "that up. But that that does come into"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "play from time to time. And that's kind"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "of why I feel like an idiot for"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "overlooking that in the first place. You"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "know, and there were a couple other"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "things that I didn't think about in the"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "first book that I brought into the"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "second one, like the role of technology"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "and AI."}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "You know, it's it's it's occurred to a"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "lot of people, myself included, that"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "some of these smaller grays are likely"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "droneike."}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "Yeah. Droid, drone, avatars, whatever."}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "and they might be biologically"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "constructed."}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "And a lot of what I try to do in each of"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "these books is to draw a correlation"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "between the past and the present"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "and what types of technologies, not just"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "morphological changes that go into our"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "cranioacial anatomy, but also what kind"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "of cultural implements do we have now"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "that we see in these future humans, if I"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "can, you know, call them that for the"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "purpose of this conversation. And and"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "what kind of cultural technological"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "connections do we have? We're already"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "trying to make robots. We're trying to"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "make them in our image. Now, it might be"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "that some of these kind of workerbe"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "types are biologically constructed"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "droids"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "who didn't evolve on their own. That's"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "why they don't have external genitalia."}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "That's why they don't have"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "They're disposable."}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "Yeah. They're disposable. They can be"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "sent in to take Whitley Strieber out of"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "his bed in the middle of the night even"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "though he has a shotgun next to his bed"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "because"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "they're not something that has a soul"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "potentially evolved or has a family cuz"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "they were made for this purpose and they"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "understand that purpose. So"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "yeah, I mean and and there are actual"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "robots too like the Calvin Parker and"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "Charles Hixon case like they described"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "that thing that came out and got them."}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "Yep."}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "As a robot,"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "you know, boop be it's a robot just like"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "any other. And then they were taken in"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "and there were people they describe"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "people that were actually involved in in"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "the study of them, the scanning and the"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "things that took place. Well, and while"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "they were subjected to paralysis, but"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "the actual dangerous scary part of that"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "abduction was done by robots. So, and"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "and and that's another example, I think,"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "of sort of the time between. They also"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "had to inject them with something to"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "make them paralyzed. Whereas these ones"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "with the bigger heads seemingly use mind"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "control to make you fall asleep, to keep"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "you asleep."}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "Yeah. Or or or to even calm you, sedate"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "you. Like there's um Are you familiar"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "with Dan Burrish?"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "So Dan says that"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "it's in the eyes. And a lot of"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "experiencers say this too, that when you"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "look into their dark, dark eyes, all of"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "a sudden you're he says they flood you"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "with endorphins. In an interview he has"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "he said they flood you with your"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "endorphins. And he and he said the rogue"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "ones, this is this is the words that he"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "used. He's like those are the ones that"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "come get you at night. That's how they"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "get you. They flood you with endorphins."}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "And so we're feeling No, this is like a"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "motherly familiar loving entity, but all"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "that's just an illusion. Doped up."}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "You're doped up."}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "Awesome. Can we get some of that? Can"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "they bottle that?"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "Endorphins."}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "I'm pretty I'm pretty sure there are"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "some"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "pupil pupil endorphins."}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "I would take some of that [\u00a0__\u00a0] Um Yeah."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "No, that's cool. I I have always"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "wondered if there's something"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "biochemically that's happening or if"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "it's just sort of um cuz like I I I've"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "gotten to the point in meditating, I use"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "this very specific meditation technique"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "where I can put myself to sleep"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "instantly."}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "Doesn't matter how much anxiety I'm"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "having at night or, you know, how much"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "caffeine I've had, I can drink three"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "cups of coffee right before bed and just"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "boom, put myself to sleep. So, I kind of"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "wondered if they were doing something"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "similar, although maybe there's a"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "biochemical aspect to that, too. I don't"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "know. Um, but that makes it seem like"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "there is something that they're doing to"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "mean something"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "that has a physiological response."}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "Yeah. That isn't so quote unquote"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "magical."}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "Yeah. You know, it's not a braintorain"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "scientific like I'm just shutting down"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "your brain with my brain. That's right."}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "There would actually be something."}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "Yeah. And it's too bad we can't set up a"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "lab where they come in and do these"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "things. Obviously, that would bust this"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "wide open if we had Actually, I forget"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "who I was talking to about this. I wish"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "I could remember because it was a super"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "funny conversation."}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "Was it Ry Reynolds?"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "It was It actually was Ryan Reynolds. We"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "were on the set of um How to Turn Your"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "Brain Off. Um no, but we were talking I"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "think it was Kevin Kuth maybe, but we"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "were talking about how once you put"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "cameras in to try to study this, they go"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "away. And we're like, well, why don't we"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "start a company that's like Red X UFO or"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "something, you know, where like"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "somebody's being plagued by these"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "creatures and then we just set up all"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "this technology and then they're they're"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "never affected again. I' I've asked that"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "to Whitley and to some other"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "experiencers and the answer that I keep"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "getting back is that it won't matter"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "really."}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "They'll shut it off. They'll they'll go"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "around it. They'll like it's and and a"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "lot of that also um as as I'm sure you"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "know a lot of the abductions are"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "non-physical."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "Also true,"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "which is a very very strange place"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "to start a conversation with people, you"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "know, if you want to get them on board"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "the these things being real,"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "especially in the materialistic society."}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "And so they their soul body or whatever"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "that is gets floated through the walls"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "and onto these crafts and and you know"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "surgery is performed on them um"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "non-physically but they still feel it"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "and they they can still wake up with"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "scarring um"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "so very strange. I'm glad you brought"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "that up actually um cuz cuz it's"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "something that's really fascinated me. I"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "haven't been doing as many of these"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "conversations lately and this is making"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "me realize how much I miss them as well."}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "Um, but one thing I've been thinking"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "about a lot lately is this difference"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "between sort of the the physical"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "tangible aspects of the phenomenon and"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "then the more metaphysical components"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "that do involve"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "um interactions that seemingly take"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "place outside of time and space,"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "you know. So, for instance, I think"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "there really is an actual machine. I"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "think the the saucer shaped craft and I"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "talked about this a lot in my first"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "book. The sort of form follows function"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "aspect of this. I tra traced the whole"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "history of how we've come to understand"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "how backward time travel would take"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "place since Einstein's 1915 paper on"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "general relativity and the solutions to"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "his field equations. Van Stockham,"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "Godell, Tipler especially showed that if"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "you take um a massive or highly"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "energetic ring sphere or disc shrink it"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "down to the right size and it's rapidly"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "rotating, it can create clos time like"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "curves. So the form of these craft, not"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "all of them obviously not the triangular"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "ones for instance. I refer to those as a"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "floating fertility facility because it"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "seems to be where a lot of this"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "hybridization and incubation chambers"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "are. But with the the actual"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "It's funny because the other term is"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "alien reproduction vehicle, ARV, which"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "could stand for that type of"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "reproduction as well."}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "Oh, yeah. I know. I actually I asked my"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "friend Darren King about this cuz he he"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "has a podcast called um Liinal Frames"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "Frames um with Nathan, his co-host, and"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "they kept talking about these"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "reproduction vehicles. And I wrote him a"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "message like, \"What do you mean by that?"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "Like, are you talking about where they"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "reproduce?\" and he said no it he said"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "the same thing but I was confused as"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "hell for like 2 days and I was like I"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "just need to write him an ask cuz I"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "don't and no it wasn't but yeah it is"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "funny"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "that that they seemingly are both"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "um and especially like you you look at"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "enough cases and I cite a number in the"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "extraterrestrial model where people are"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "being moved through these rooms like"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "like cattle you know stripped naked"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "stuff's happening um and then there's"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "also these rows of incubation chambers I"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "got off track a little. Um, but what"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "what I think's happening with the this"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "the circular rapidly rotating ones is"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "those are manipulating time and space,"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "you know, not just from the physical"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "form of them and the form follows"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "function capacity, but also based on"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "eyewitness accounts of what's happening"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "in and around those craft like a sphere"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "of influence as Jim Penniston called it,"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "where time and space seem to be"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "manipulated. And that there's multiple"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "cases in my second book where people"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "with different interactions at different"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "times describe those same types of"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "things happening. But there's also sort"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "of this timeless spaceless aspect to"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "them too. And that middle ground between"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "is what I'm really trying to figure out"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "now. You know, because it's the same"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "thing I think with these physical bodies"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "that we inhabit. We experience time only"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "in these bodies. Once you leave this"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "body, whether it be an an obbe or a"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "near-death experience, time, space,"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "fear, hurt, pain, all of those things"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "disappear cuz those are things that we"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "can only experience here. It's probably"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "a big part of why we are here. But the"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "UFO phenomenon also has those"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "components. Valet has been saying this"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "for decades that there there is very"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "much a metaphysical side to this"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "and they're not mutually exclusive. But"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "I think it's important to recognize both"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "especially when we're talking about"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "time. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "Cuz I as a strict materialist for most"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "of my life was really only focusing on"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "that how is time being manipulated by"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "this rotating craft. That's it. But"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "there's this whole other aspect of this"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "phenomenon with much like what you're"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "saying where the the body is there but"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "things are still happening that are a"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "part of that body and then a"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "relationship between the body and"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "energetic essence or soul or whatever"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "that's that's able to be manipulated"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "too."}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "Yeah. And we can only really study"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "what's observable. Um, and so when we"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "see the outcome of time being"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "manipulated, you know, it gives us clues"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "in this physical world what's happening,"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "but something totally different might be"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "happening in the non-physical world that"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "just looks like that way in the"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "physical. I"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "know. It's such a myopic view, but it's"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "also all we have."}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "It's all we have"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "currently."}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "Currently. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "Yeah. And and and it sucks too because"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "the scientific community doesn't take"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "anything non-physical into account"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "because it can't be studied. And and you"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "and I we were talking about earlier,"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "we're both guilty of this for most of"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "our lives."}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "If you can't put an alpha error value to"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "it, what's the point? You know, and"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "that's I actually just finished on the"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "way out here. I finished Entangled Minds"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "by Dean Raiden."}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "He does a fantastic job of demonstrating"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "all of the scientific literature one"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "after the other going back all the way"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "to the Society for Scientific Research."}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "Frederick Meyers and um all of the other"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "names I can't remember. Ryan Reynolds I"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "think was one of them um who are"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "associated with organizing the society"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "in the late 1800s. Uh Alfred Russell"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "Wallace was a part of this group um who"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "who helped develop the theory of natural"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "selection with Darwin. Um but going back"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "all this way people were taking this"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "seriously these non-physical"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "metaphysical things. Uh I'm pretty sure"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "Frederick Meyers coined the term"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "telepathy even because he was aware of"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "this as a real thing. all these studies,"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "but it's not taken seriously by um most"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "people in academia. Not because it's not"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "true, not because it doesn't follow"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "strict scientific protocols, because"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "it's too weird."}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "It's nuts and it's not nuts and bolts."}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "It's not nuts and it it is though."}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "It is fundamentally it is fundamentally"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "nuts and bolts, but we don't fully"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "understand it. So, it's a hell of a lot"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "easier just to push it to the side and"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "say, \"Nope.\""}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "Yeah. So, we create these excuses, but"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "none of them are valid."}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "Um, so I don't know. I think I think"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "that is a stumbling block for those"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "aspects of the UFO question, too, cuz we"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "already don't take consciousness into"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "account, which is likely fundamental and"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "and that is starting to gain some"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "traction. In fact, it kind of seems to"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "me that you have like classical"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "mechanics, you know, like ice skating,"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "bowling balls, rolling things like that,"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "and then you have quantum mechanics. And"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "in classical mechanics kind of emerges"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "from quantum mechanics that seemingly"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "emerges from some sort of energetic"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "consciousness field. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "Yeah. We're we're in that like what what"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "that would mean is that particles that"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "go into making ice skates and bowling"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "balls, billiard balls, whatever stupid"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "widget we we use in that are all"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "emergent from this underlying base"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "source of energy. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "that is likely the starting point for"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "all things in the universe. So I kind of"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "see fundamental the fundamental aspects"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "of the universe are consciousness, you"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "know, and and you might say, well, this"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "guy went off the deep end,"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "which is possible, but I mean I I I"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "agree with that because,"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "you know, I'm I'm not maybe trained in"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "physics uh as much as a professor of"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "physics or theoretical physics might be."}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "And so for me it might even be easier to"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "grasp this concept than yeah you know"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "classic."}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "Well one of one of my biggest stumbling"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "blocks personally speaking is that you"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "know I saw this idea and read about this"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "idea of pan consciousness and and you"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "know that the the main idea now and mo"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "that most you know neuroscientists and"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "physicists would say is that we create"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "consciousness from these physical"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "bodies. I couldn't understand how a rock"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "or a tree has consciousness. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "And then I started reading more about it"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "and it became obvious that all of these"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "things grow out of that sort of zero"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "point energy field. And and then I just"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "recently I started to think about this"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "problem of wave particle duality. And it"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "almost seems like everything is a wave."}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "Even matter is a wave. Like you could"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "pass a human through a double slit and"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "we would act as a wave if you, you know,"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "shrunk it down, forced us hard enough."}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "But it seems like these particles are"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "kind of just frozen light that grew out"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "of the wave, you know, where you have"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "the decoherence and then you have matter"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "that's tangible and physical. And that's"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "what we work with. That's all we have to"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "work with and doing these experiments"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "and getting p values, but it likely came"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "from that original source"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "of energy and waves and light."}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "And I don't know. I just it it makes"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "more sense to me now. And especially"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "after having experiences where I was"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "really forced to figure out what the"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "hell this is, like what is this physical"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "reality? You know, I didn't mean to take"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "a little tangent away from the UFO"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "thing, but I feel like it's so related."}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "With the UFO question, too. the physical"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "craft that are actually bending time and"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "space and these are are actual future"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "human descendants versus the aspect of"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "the phenomenon that's more intangible"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "and more metaphysical"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "but is maybe not equally important"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "potentially more important to the whole"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "question."}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "Yeah. And that's something that um even"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "John Mack uh said early on in his uh I"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "think it was abduction when he said um"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "you know we're concentrating on the"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "physical but the non-physical um it"}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "would be a mistake to ignore the"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "non-physical stuff um and a great"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "mistake I think."}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "yeah and he knows that better than"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "anybody how much you have to tow the"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "line."}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "Yeah. in academia and and I feel like a"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "lot's changed even since then with the"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "way"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "I I feel like time travel, UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "consciousness were all sort of bad words"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "and slowly the stigma is waning for each"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "of those including consciousness which"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "is great."}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "Yeah. I think conversations like these"}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "and books like the ones you're writing"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "help uh help advance that uh line of"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "thinking at least"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "as long as it made any damn sense. I was"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "listening to myself and I was like this"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "I mean it makes sense in my mind and"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "it's hard to articulate."}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "Sure. Well, you're articulating things"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "that are completely"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "uh immeasurable."}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "You know, so it's it's obviously going"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "to be a little difficult."}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "Yeah. And in science, we're not supposed"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "to use personal experience or anecdote"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "in in order to inform"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "our opinion on things. But I kind of"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "feel like there's a pass"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "once you get to the edge of what we can"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "know using our physical reductionist"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "methods. I mean, it becomes speculation,"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "but it's also experience-based. And"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "again, if you talk to enough people who"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "have had experiences that kind of"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "transcend that veil, that peak behind"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "the veil, that transcend the boundary of"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "the the frozen light and the active wave"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "light,"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "I think you can learn something from"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "that. So, I don't I don't know. You"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "know, maybe what I said will make sense"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "to somebody."}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "I definitely think it does."}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "The right time in the right place"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "that'll write me and have a way better"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "way of explaining it. I don't know."}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "Possibly. Yeah. I think I I mean I think"}, {"end": "00:40:50", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "all of that comes down to consciousness."}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "You know, the more and we spoke about"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:50", "text": "this a little bit at breakfast, but the"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "more you look into the UFO space, the"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "more you look into aliens, the more you"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "look at like extraterrestrial, whatever"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "they may be, uh the more it always sort"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "of like goes inward and you're like,"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "\"Oh, it's all about consciousness.\""}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "whether you know"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "I think part of me even thinks like if"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "we're going to if we're going to think"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "contact if we're going to think you know"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "talking to these beings and having some"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "type of open communication we got to"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "learn their language man like cuz we're"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "not going to be able to communicate."}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "There is such a disparity in in between"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "our way of sort of archaically sort of"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "uh speaking versus uh them just"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "telepathically sending notions of of"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "thought. I mean it's such a vastly"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "different way of communicating that for"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "us to even measure UFOs"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "we should probably start understanding"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "their language better and which is which"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "is telepathy which is looking down the"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "road of consciousness. But but what if"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "telepathy is inherently the language of"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "the universe?"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "That if we're all not just entangled"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "minds, but entangled everything, it it"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "almost seems like we moved away from"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "that and we're slowly moving back to it."}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "And I say that based on recent"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "revelations from the telepathy tapes and"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "having just read Dean Raiden's book on"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "entangled minds, also a little bit from"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "personal experience, but also from"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "the fact that if these are future"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "humans,"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "that is their main form of"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "communication. But they can"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "telepathically communicate things in our"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "languages too. So they already know our"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "languages. We would just have to work on"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "learning, relearning the language of"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "telepathy."}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "Which almost transcends any sort of"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "symbolism that we ascribe within our"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "individual languages. Uh French,"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "English, you know, just at the top of my"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "mind because you can convey images. You"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "can convey entire ideas,"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "emotions."}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "Emotions. Yeah. And there's so much more"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "to it that I think they probably see us"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "as highly primitive. But the fact that"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "if these are future humans, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "will caveat this with that, then it"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "seems to be something we're already in"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "the process of unlocking that everyone"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "already has the capability of doing, but"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "we just forgot and we have to remember."}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "Or"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "are the genetic experiments being done"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "on us meant to unlock those? you know,"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "perhaps it's like some weird closed"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "loop."}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "That could be too. That's a really good"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "point. Yeah. That maybe it does take a"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "certain level of um"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "modification"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "progress. Yeah. And maybe that would be"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "happening already cuz it kind of seems"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "like like we are are already developing"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "larger brains, our faces, mid and lower"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "facial anatomy gets out of the way of"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "the brain."}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "I don't think again consciousness comes"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "from our brain. I don't think we're"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "using our brain as much to send things"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "that it as it is an antenna that dials"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "into these frequencies and allows us to"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "have those interactions with people."}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "yeah, like some some quantum computer"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "type deal."}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "Yeah. And not just people, other"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "animals. I really think that if"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "telepathy is the language of the"}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "universe, it doesn't stop at personto"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "person communication."}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "No. I mean, even trees, there's like"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "there's I heard this wild fact, and"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "please fact check me on this, but like,"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "you know, this forgive me, this was"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "probably some type of real that I"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "watched. Um, but it was mentioning that"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "a tree based on the saliva that the"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "insect has will be able to identify the"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "insect that's on it"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "and secrete something to make itself not"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "um desirable to that type of insect, but"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "then also send a signal to other nearby"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "trees that they do the same thing. Now,"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "if that doesn't sound like telepathy,"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "like you know, and and we might be just"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "looking at it through the wrong lens,"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "like you know, we when we say telepathy,"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "we we think spooky sort of weird"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "supernatural behavior,"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "but perhaps there is something very"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "fundamental like you said, you know,"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "that that aligns with more of this base"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "consciousness that we're all sort of"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "tapping into. And so there is a science"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "to it. We just have yet to"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "Absolutely. And and a lot of what we do"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "is study the effects of things, not the"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "thing itself."}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "So, we're one step removed from what's"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "actually happening because like we were"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "just talking about, those things are"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "very difficult to study right now."}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "Um, but speaking of the telepathy tapes,"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "like Kai Dickens interviewed a couple"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "people. They they kind of kept it going"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "with the talk tracks. I think they"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "called there was about 12 of them that"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "they published after the main"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "um the main part of the show. And two of"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "those individuals communicate"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "telepathically with animals."}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "And again, everybody's red flags going"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "up and they're like, \"That's nonsense."}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "It's not possible.\" It seems, especially"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "because they did such a great job laying"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "a foundation."}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "For the fact that this is a real thing."}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "This is happening. It's really"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "undeniable. They bring in super"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "skeptics, scientists that just wanted to"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "disprove this thing. And that's how so"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "many people get into it. That's how"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "Jaylen Heinik got into He wanted to"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "disprove UFOs and I was like, \"Oh [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "there's something here. I kind of got to"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "pay attention to this.\" But one"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "individual that works with domestic"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "animals, one that works with wild"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "animals um and domestic and they made a"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "very strong case for the fact that this"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "happens."}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "And"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "again, sort of these cultural"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "universals. If you see it not just in"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "every human society, but you see the"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "same types of things in different"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "species of animal, that really indicates"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "that there's something fundamental there"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "about our existence in this physical"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "reality. Another interesting one is the"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "fact that everything sleeps and dreams."}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "Like I sit there watching my cat the"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "other day and it's having dreams just"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "like we do. What the [\u00a0__\u00a0] is that?"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "Why do all animals sleep and dream? What"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "is that about? What is the space that we"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "go to? And you can look at it in a, you"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "know, functional capacity. Our hippo"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "campus fills up and we need to flush it"}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "out and store those long-term memories."}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "There's something way more fundamental"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "sleeping and dreaming."}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "I agree. I I think we spend a way too"}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "disproportionate amount of time sleeping"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "for it not to be like I think the the"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:19", "text": "time that we spend sleeping is directly"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "proportionate to the importance of"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "the dream or the sleep state itself."}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "Um you know I don't I don't see it as"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "being"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "not anymore anyways but as as a task you"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "know like a chore. Well, I have to sleep"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "so that I can be awake,"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "right? Or even something you want to do"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "because you're tired and your bed feels"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "so good. Yeah. There's something way"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "more to it than that."}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "Yeah. There's something there's a whole"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "uh other reality that you're tapping"}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "into. And you know, you mentioned Dean"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "Raiden, but also um Rupert Sheldrake has"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "a lot of work on sort of the"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "precognitive aspects of dreaming and how"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "keeping a dream journal, you might be"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "surprised to find that like there's a"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "lot of precognition that happens during"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "those states."}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "Yeah. And then it's conducive to out of"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "body states to you know all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "altered"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "lucid dreaming too. I found a direct"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "correlation between meditation and my"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "ability to lucid dream. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "Because they're similar where you can"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "almost it's almost like in lucid"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "dreaming you're you're cheating a little"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "bit. You're like propping open a door"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "and I can't keep that door open without"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "regular meditation. But when I go into"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "that dream state and I become aware that"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "I'm in a dream state, I can keep it open"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "but it's like it takes a little work."}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "Mhm. And then as soon as I stop putting"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "that effort and the door closes, I wake"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "up. But I've also been able to get right"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "back into it, which I never can do."}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "Never. But more recently, it's been an"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "option because I think may maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "related, but I did start keeping a dream"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "journal in February of this year. And uh"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "maybe it was this podcast."}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "Maybe"}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "you heard about it."}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "I retroactively sent that back."}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Retrocausal."}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "Yeah. cuz I've been trying to keep one"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "for about 15 years and in February I"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "just so it was definitely this podcast."}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "Yeah, this was the precognitive uh"}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "catalyst for that."}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "but it really does help. I don't I mean"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "I've had dream precognition my entire"}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "life."}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "Uh I've I've been very open about that"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "even before a lot of"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "really weird [\u00a0__\u00a0] started happening to"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "me. I have had that. I didn't think it"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "was that weird because I've lived with"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "it my whole life and it still doesn't"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "feel that weird compared to a lot of"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "things."}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "But"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "um there's some there's some timeless"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "aspect to dreaming that can inform"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "things that can help you uh learn not"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "just about yourself but about, you know,"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:47", "text": "broader things. Um I probably sound like"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "a six-year-old talking about this."}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "That's why I read these books by people"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "that know a lot more about it. But it's"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "it's fun to try to figure it out and"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "especially"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:00", "text": "setting intentions, you know, going into"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "those dreams, meditating for specific"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "reasons to interact in that world. Same"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "with out of body experiences once you"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "get out of your body. And I feel like"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "it's just a controlled environment where"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "we put ourselves somewhere safe so we"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "can leave our body and go do these"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "things uh that are probably instrumental"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "or important in some way. But once you"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "you kind of focus on that and take it"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "seriously, I think there's a lot you can"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "learn as an individual, but also just"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "about life, reality."}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "There's a lot of, you know, um, First"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "Nations or native tribes that have, you"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "know, for generations and even the"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "Egyptians would have these dream walkers"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "where they'd go out and collect"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "information to bring back to the pharaoh"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "type deal. And,"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "you know, so the the dream state is"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "definitely important. And also um Graham"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "Nichols, he's another uh guy in the UK"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "who does uh studies out of body he has a"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "lot of work on out of body um"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "experiences. He's had tons of"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "precognitive out-of body experiences."}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "One that was verified by five other"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "people."}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "Um yeah, he he got out of body and it"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "was sort of blue. He says he's had like"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "three precognitive things that were like"}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "blue out of body. He was doing um a"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "technique that he had developed to get"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "out of body. And just as he thought it"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "wasn't working, he let go. started"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "working and he saw himself like in on a"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "street in old uh Soho, London, staring"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "down a street and this pub on the right"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "just explodes. There's this bomb and he"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "gets this he's hit by this like wave of"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "emotion and and they wake him up cuz"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "they saw he was like struggling the"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "people around him, the five other people"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "around him"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "and um 5 days later exactly at that"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "location there was a bomb"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "kid."}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "Yeah. And he was watching TV and he was"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "like it it did it took a second for him"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "to register. He's like, \"Oh, wait a"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "second. This"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "and you know, so"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "yeah, there's something, you know, why"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "did he tap into that? It wasn't meant to"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "He wasn't meant to stop it, obviously."}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "So, what was the point there?\""}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "And if he did stop it, he wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "he wouldn't have had it perhaps."}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "You know, who does the best job in my"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "opinion with this stuff is Eric Wargo?"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "Time loops."}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "Yeah. Not just time loops, all of his"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "books. Um, he had another one come out,"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "just a little tiny thing, uh, called"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "Becoming Time Fairing, I think. And even"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "in that one too, because a lot of this"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "isn't just a question about"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "precognition, but about how time works"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "in general,"}, {"end": "00:52:24", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "and how there's self-consistency in"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "those things and seemingly paradoxes"}, {"end": "00:52:27", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "like that. Well, if he had changed the"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "past and didn't happen, how would he"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:27", "text": "know he had to go back and change the"}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "past to keep that from happening? Um, so"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "I I would definitely recommend to your"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "viewers and listeners to to check out"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "his work because I I think he does a"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "better job than anyone else with regard"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "to really giving great examples and"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "analogies and metaphors and real world"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "examples of how these things work."}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "Um, and it avoids paradox. There aren't"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "paradoxes."}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "It's um, it's weird and it's kind of a"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "mind [\u00a0__\u00a0] like you got to pay"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "attention. But it's really fascinating,"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "too."}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "Yeah. Well, I mean, all that stuff is is"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "definitely enough to mess with your"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "mind."}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "Yeah. And I mean to bring it back if if"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "we could recenter a little bit because I"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "feel like I took us down a path that um"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "may have um back to biology."}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "No, back to time quick."}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "uh because there is I mean that's what"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "started this whole tangent is that there"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "is an actual physical component to this"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "you know and so the big stumbling block"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "for a lot of people are these time"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "paradoxes so I just kind of wanted to"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "revisit that get a little less woo cuz I"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "I have an internal governor where if I"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "start talking too much uh spirituality"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "metaphysical stuff I I stop myself um"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "but I I do think that it's important to"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "talk about that and I spent three"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "chapters in my first book talking about"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "it because it's a really big hangup for"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "people is well what if you know we went"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "back and we crashed a time machine into"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "Roswell for instance and then those"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "people went on to create this thing that"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "eventually crashed like there is no"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "creator of it in the way that we"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "perceive"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "linear time but it doesn't matter you"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "know we call it a bootstrap paradox it's"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "not a paradox it's just it violates our"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "fragile sensibility ilities with regard"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "to linear time. That's right. So, you"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "know, once you start kind of scratching"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "at the surface, you could see how our"}, {"end": "00:54:33", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "not even distant descendants could be"}, {"end": "00:54:35", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "making these machines that allow them to"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:33", "text": "come back and physically study the"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:35", "text": "biology and the culture and the"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "evolution of their ancestors in a way"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "that we I would say currently can't."}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "Because time machines haven't been"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "invented yet. And that's another thing"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "people often times get hung up on is"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "that doesn't matter when a time machine"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "was first invented because they are able"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "to pick up they could pick up me right"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "now. In fact, that'd be pretty sweet and"}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "probably good for your ratings."}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "That'd be great. Yeah, if they could do"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "that, knock on the door and like"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "I would love that right now. If you guys"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "could"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "Which camera would you bring?"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "I mean, just probably any one of these"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "maybe."}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "We'll grab a couple. Yeah, we'll just"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "grab a bunch of cameras and run out"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "there. It"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "be cool to get it on this video only."}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "Ah, that would be sweet. So, it's only"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "coming. So, we leave that one for that."}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "That would be like a live stream. Dude,"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "that would be sweet. All right, let's"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "manifest that."}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "Let's make it happen."}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "Um, but no, like they could come back,"}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "pick up anybody from this time or any"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "time within reach of that time machine"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "and take them back to any of these"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "different periods, you know? So, so"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "that's another thing I think that a lot"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "of people overlook is and and then the"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "fact that we have similar types of"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "beings and craft being depicted in cave"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "paintings, carvings and petroglyphs and"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "geoglyphs and all of these things that"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "seem to indicate that it's the same"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "phenomenon, potentially the exact same"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "individuals. You know, you could come"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "back, pick up Betty and Barney Hill, and"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "then go back to NASCA, and they make a,"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "you know, big-headed thing on a hillside"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "for you, and it's the exact same people."}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:56:14", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "Another cool one,"}, {"end": "00:56:18", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "uh, is how you have a lot of lifetime"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "abductees who go from being usually"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:18", "text": "starts around age eight or nine. I don't"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "know why. A lot of sigh phenomena in"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "general seems to originate in"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "individuals lives around that time, but"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "they get picked up over and over until"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "old age, but they report that their"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "captors don't age. And that would make"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "sense in the context of a longitudinal"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "study where you were going back and"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "within the same week-long period, you"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "could pick this same individual up as a"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "young child, an aged adult into, you"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "know, geriatric phase and learn"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "everything about them. like it's it's"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "one of the best forms of data that we"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "get is longitudinal study data from from"}, {"end": "00:56:58", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "humans with disease with psychological"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "disorders. Twins are also very useful."}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:58", "text": "So yeah, you could get all of that data"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "in a matter of a week, but it seems like"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "these people don't age because they're"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "just doing a quick little study, whereas"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "to them they watch you grow up and and"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "become"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "an an elderly adult. So there's just so"}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "many little things about the phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "even in this grounded physical reality"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "that do seem to indicate that there's a"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "manipulation of of time happening."}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "Yeah. At least um you know from that"}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "perspective of the abduction you know"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "and genetic modification at least a"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "forward time manipulation like cuz if"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "you were living in a craft and you had"}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "no home planet to go back to simply you"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "know creating a strong enough gravity"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "field around the craft would enable"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "forward time travel. Yeah. And so, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "you could effectively modify the entire"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "human race's genetic makeup in a day,"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "you know, and to us it would be like,"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "oh, they come back every thousand years."}, {"end": "00:57:59", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "The gods are back every thousand years"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "to give us metallurgy and and and"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:59", "text": "religion and alchemy or whatever. And to"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "them, it's just like, no, they're just"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "part for the course. Y,"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "you know, um, and they probably already"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "have a plan. There's probably already a"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "research plan of what they're doing"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "when. And I'm sure it's highly guarded,"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "too. you know, you wouldn't allow"}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "anybody to just pop in one of these time"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "machines and go back."}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "Um, you end up with like a Back to the"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "Future 2 scenario, people betting on"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "whatever. Every now and then hear about"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "somebody that's like,"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "you know, do really well with the stock"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "market and go, I'm a time traveler. I I"}, {"end": "00:58:35", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "think I I've yet to see one of those"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "verified. I don't know. But,"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:35", "text": "um, yeah, it would make sense. Not not"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "just because protecting the past, you"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "know, you would naturally want to avoid"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "any sort of overt contact where some"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "drunk kids get in a UFO and sh it into"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "Kingston or whatever."}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "Um, but you'd also want to"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "it's probably really expensive."}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "Takes a lot of energy, takes a lot of"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "knowledge about how to fly these things,"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "you know. So, I I doubt I doubt anybody"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "and everybody has access to these things"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "regardless of their intentions. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "who who can just go build a spaceship"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "and fly to the moon right now? It's the"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "same sort of thing. Well, we're talking"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "about amounts of energy and technology"}, {"end": "00:59:15", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "that's far more advanced than anything"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "we have."}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:15", "text": "But that doesn't mean they can't come"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "back and pick somebody up from any of"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "these. Sure. And while we're on the"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "subject, just real quick, um, and"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "obviously you can edit in any way you"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "want if none of this is relevant, but"}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "one thing that was pointed out to me,"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "another thing I overlooked between the"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "first and the second book that was"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "mentioned to me, and I've said this in a"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "couple different places, cuz I wish I"}, {"end": "00:59:43", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "knew who to give credit to. They claimed"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "that they were an ex intelligence"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:43", "text": "officer. That's all they said. I can't"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "verify that. Don't need to because what"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "they told me made a lot of damn sense."}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "is that the reason that we see them"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "making these instant accelerations and"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "decelerations, 90\u00b0 turns, it's what,"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "tens of thousands of miles an hour that"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "would smash anything on the inside of"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "the ship, isn't actually what's"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "happening. Is that manipulation of time"}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "and space around the craft in the same"}, {"end": "01:00:13", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "way that you were just talking about"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:11", "text": "with the right gravity, it speeds it up"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:13", "text": "because of general relativity."}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "Um, but what they're doing is making"}, {"end": "01:00:22", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "this sort of space-time bubble around"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "it. I've heard Lu Alzando talk about"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:22", "text": "this. Actually, I mentioned Bob Lazar."}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "They're seemingly sort of warping"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "spaceime around that craft. So, likely"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "what we see is a 10,000g maneuver is"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "maybe 1g to them. Y,"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "but they changed the reference frame of"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "them inside that bubble versus us"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "outside of it."}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. There's"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "um I spoke to an experiencer. This is"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "online on on on my Discord channel and"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "he had told me that he was in one of"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "these ships and they allowed him to"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "navigate it. All right, which is it's a"}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "wild story."}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "I heard that from three different people"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "recently. Like I think some people"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "it's like Flight of the Navigator type"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "deal."}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "People are being taught to fly these"}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "things."}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "So that's what he told me. And he said"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "the way that it behaved because you"}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "didn't move. it was everything outside"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "that moved. Travis Walton says this as"}, {"end": "01:01:16", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "well when he goes into the room with the"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "chair, hits the buttons, everything just"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:16", "text": "kind of shifts around and it's"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "destabilizing. Right. Right."}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "And so he says that he was able to do"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "this. And what he said, the only way"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "that I could explain it is as if you"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "stuck a pin in the in the pixel of space"}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "and time"}, {"end": "01:01:35", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "and that craft has never left that"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "pixel."}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:35", "text": "Interesting. That craft has been pinned"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "to that location in spaceime and will"}, {"end": "01:01:44", "start": "01:01:40", "text": "never move. It was built there and it"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:42", "text": "will die there and it will never move"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:44", "text": "from that location of space and time and"}, {"end": "01:01:49", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "everything is being manipulated around"}, {"end": "01:01:49", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "it."}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:49", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:49", "text": "And I was like, well, that's such a wild"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "mind-blowing thing to think about"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "that. There was actually um an episode"}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "of Futurramama where they described that"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "same thing. like it's basically working"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "on the concept of the alcubi drive. Um"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "where it's like warping space behind and"}, {"end": "01:02:11", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "in front, but the professor and I'm kind"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "of super fan of the show says that exact"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:11", "text": "same thing"}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "that we're not moving the ship, we're"}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "moving everything around the ship. And"}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "and that would make a lot of sense like"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "how the logistics of that are really"}, {"end": "01:02:27", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "impossible for my tiny little brain to"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "fathom. But"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:27", "text": "it it does make sense like they seem how"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "you would Yeah. not"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "be bounced around inside the craft."}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "Yeah. And in time, too. Like they can"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:35", "text": "seemingly just appear and disappear in"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "time. That's one of the most commonly"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "described things about these ships."}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "They'll kind of fade in and fade out of"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "existence"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "or even slow time or speed it up in"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "these bubbles. There's both of these"}, {"end": "01:02:52", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "observations being one where these"}, {"end": "01:02:54", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "aliens would like float up to like"}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:52", "text": "almost slow motion moving in slow and"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:54", "text": "then you have other cases where they're"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "watching the aliens dart back and forth"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "like impossibly fast"}, {"end": "01:03:02", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "and so there is like some type of time"}, {"end": "01:03:04", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "dilation happening through the veil of"}, {"end": "01:03:06", "start": "01:03:02", "text": "like your vision."}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:04", "text": "Yeah. Corporal Armando Valdez too. He"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:06", "text": "disappears for 15 minutes to his his his"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "platoon but he was gone for 5 days."}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "His watch said five days."}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "His watch said five days. beard is grown"}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "out like and then yeah, you have the"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "other case of Linda Jones where the"}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "grass is growing rapidly under her feet."}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "Um God, there's so many. One of the"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "really cool ones again to revisit Mike"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "and Leo Dorsch is um and this is"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "something I'd always wondered about is"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "how do they go into"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "um populated areas without being"}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "detected? And he specifically asked,"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "he's like, \"You got these bright lights"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "on the ship. How is it that people"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "aren't coming up like you know what the"}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "hell is that in this field?\" And they"}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "specifically said that they stopped time"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "within a 3m radius of the craft. They"}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:48", "text": "allowed him to come through, but"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "everything's frozen. So they don't see"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "the light, you know, like how is you"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "can't register anything. You can't"}, {"end": "01:04:00", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "register motion if there's no time. It"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "takes obviously and we take that for"}, {"end": "01:04:04", "start": "01:04:00", "text": "granted. Um, but our bodies have evolved"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "to be able to recognize the passage of"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:04", "text": "time to run from tigers and find mates"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "and things. Then it made perfect sense"}, {"end": "01:04:12", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "like they just stop time. If they can"}, {"end": "01:04:15", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "speed it up, slow it down, they can also"}, {"end": "01:04:18", "start": "01:04:12", "text": "stop it to keep from being registered"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:15", "text": "within our our fourdimensional reference"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:18", "text": "frame. It's wild. Wow, that is so that"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "is so spooky cuz it Yeah, it really"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "opens up the uh it really opens up the"}, {"end": "01:04:29", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "possibility they could be right here"}, {"end": "01:04:31", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "right now watching us, you know, like"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:29", "text": "there's nothing stopping them from just"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:31", "text": "jumping into our reality unnoticed"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "constantly."}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "Yeah. And it seemingly they have the"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "ability to do it even outside of the"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "craft itself."}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "Yeah. Like you'll hear a lot of times"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:41", "text": "too about a little electromagnetic wand"}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "they can use to freeze animals. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "Uh I was just at a conference in"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "Bosezeman last weekend where David"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "Polites was talking about a case where"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "there were three elk"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "that had been taken uh before this guy"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "had been taken a UFO"}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "and they were just frozen"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "like over in the corner. And elk are big"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "ass animals, you know, like you're going"}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "to notice that. and they were all just"}, {"end": "01:05:09", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "deanimated over here in the the side of"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "the ship"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:09", "text": "like stuck in some temporal loop. And"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "what's cool too is that, you know, this"}, {"end": "01:05:16", "start": "01:05:13", "text": "this could help explain I think there's"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "a lot of things going on with the"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:16", "text": "missing time thing, but that could help"}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "explain it in some cases where"}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "in addition to say a blue shift or red"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "shift that's happening in association"}, {"end": "01:05:30", "start": "01:05:25", "text": "with the craft, if people are being"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "deanimated for a period of time in order"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:30", "text": "to do things without freaking them out"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:31", "text": "about what's being done to them and"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "they're woken back up, they're obviously"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "going to have missing time because they"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "didn't experience that passage of time,"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "but it was still passing without them."}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "Yeah. Essentially nothing happened."}, {"end": "01:05:43", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "Yeah. Well,"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:43", "text": "but the rest of the universe carried on"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "as it would."}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "Wow. That's"}, {"end": "01:05:52", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "It's something I I find really"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:52", "text": "fascinating but super hard to study."}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "It is really hard to study. But, you"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "know, like you said, and some a"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:58", "text": "conclusion that I've been coming to more"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "and more is that if you want to know"}, {"end": "01:06:04", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "what the inside of a UFO looks like, you"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "know, you can speak to whistleblowers,"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:04", "text": "but you can also ask experiencers"}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "because potentially, you know, they they"}, {"end": "01:06:13", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "might they'll be able to tell you what"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:11", "text": "they were wearing, what they smelled"}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:13", "text": "like, what they have you ever, by the"}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "way, speaking of what they smelled like,"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:16", "text": "have you ever um read the document from"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "the Reddit whistleblower who said he was"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "an ebo by uh bi uh biological um sorry,"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "molecular biologist."}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "Yeah, it was like two years ago that"}, {"end": "01:06:31", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "came out, right? I did read that. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:06:33", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "that was really interesting, too,"}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:31", "text": "because it goes through the physiology."}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:33", "text": "Did we ever as a community come to a a"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:36", "text": "decision on that?"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "Um, so"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "real fake what?"}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "Well, here's here's the interesting part"}, {"end": "01:06:45", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "is that a lot of people who are"}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:42", "text": "molecular biologists seem to think that"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:45", "text": "this person because this was prior to"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "like modern GPTs, right? So, uh, first"}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "of all, like just right before"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "Yeah. Um but secondly, everybody who is"}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:54", "text": "a molecular biologist says that this"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "person definitely is a molecular"}, {"end": "01:07:05", "start": "01:07:00", "text": "biologist. So if it's a LAR, it's coming"}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "from there. But not only that, this"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:05", "text": "person must have an immense um just he"}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "he probably knows a lot about the lore."}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "He or she knows a lot about the lore. Um"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "because there are so many things that"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "pop up in whether it's the old MJ12"}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "documents. Yeah. Or whether it's"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "interactions like uh you know with with"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:23", "text": "with beings that other experiencers have"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "had. Um Whitley Streamer being one in"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "his latest book, the fourth mind. His"}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "the whole first half of that book is"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "this document"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "because Whitley says there are so many"}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "things that line up with what he"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "experienced. And the first one was the"}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "secretion. um of the excoratory system"}, {"end": "01:07:49", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "that they have on the skin, right? And"}, {"end": "01:07:51", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "he said they would like wipe themselves"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:49", "text": "and like wash off like that."}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:51", "text": "Yeah. And in his first book, Community"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "talked about the smell."}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:54", "text": "Yep. He heard smell you and it like it"}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "made the reality of the situation so"}, {"end": "01:08:01", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "much more palpable."}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:08:03", "start": "01:08:01", "text": "Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt,"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "but what"}, {"end": "01:08:07", "start": "01:08:03", "text": "Yeah. So, I I I was just kind of like um"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "curious to know what your thoughts on"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:07", "text": "that was because they did also speak"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "about the enlarged brain. They spoke"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "that there were these microtubules on"}, {"end": "01:08:22", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "the brain that that was the um that the"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "study of that was paramount because they"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:22", "text": "think that that's how they you know"}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "manipulated the craft."}, {"end": "01:08:29", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "That was one of those things that that"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "people kept sending me like, \"Hey, have"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:29", "text": "you read this? Have you read this? Have"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "you read this?\" And then eventually I"}, {"end": "01:08:37", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "did and I thought I thought the same"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "thing. Uh is there seems to be something"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:37", "text": "here"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "that would be really hard to know unless"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "they were who they said they were. I"}, {"end": "01:08:49", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "can't remember the specific details of"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "what jumped out at me cuz it was a"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:49", "text": "couple years ago when I read it, but I I"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "there were little bits and pieces in"}, {"end": "01:09:02", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "there that seemed to"}, {"end": "01:09:05", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "dovetail with this theory. Um, but"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:02", "text": "I I don't know. It's I'd have to revisit"}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:05", "text": "it to pull out specifics. I just what"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "I'm remembering is"}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:10", "text": "that sense when I was reading it."}, {"end": "01:09:19", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "Well, so like no teeth was the one. Um,"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "no the eso one thing that was"}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:19", "text": "interesting is that the esophagus like"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "whereas like"}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:23", "text": "we have like a um like a split, right,"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "that that goes from like food to like"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "air or whatever. They they don't have"}, {"end": "01:09:34", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "that. The nose was for air and the mouth"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "was for food."}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:34", "text": "Which is interesting evolutionarily cuz"}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "that makes way more sense than something"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "we have."}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "A lot of things."}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "Cuz cuz that's essentially like a death"}, {"end": "01:09:44", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "trap,"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:44", "text": "Yeah. And more and more recent human"}, {"end": "01:09:49", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "evolution. We're the only mammal that"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "can choke and die because we have this"}, {"end": "01:09:51", "start": "01:09:49", "text": "airway."}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "So if you were like to create something"}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "that would be more optimal. And you know"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "that would make sense too as far as the"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "excretoryy system, the digestive"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "gastrointestinal, all of it. Like if you"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "could bioengineer"}, {"end": "01:10:09", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "something. What's what's interesting to"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:07", "text": "me and I there was this argument that"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:09", "text": "was popular for a while is like, you"}, {"end": "01:10:18", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "know, they're they're making these"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "things. Um but my my question was, you"}, {"end": "01:10:23", "start": "01:10:18", "text": "know, cuz I I agree. I think they are"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "making these certain ones. something's"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:23", "text": "making them. Yep. So, the buck doesn't"}, {"end": "01:10:29", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "stop at these are manufactured droids,"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "biological, mechanical, whatever they"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:29", "text": "are. You still need to ask, well, who's"}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "making them?"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "What's the intelligence behind it?"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "Yeah. Same thing with the the"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "interdimensional, you know, that doesn't"}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "say who they are, what they are, or"}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "angels and demons."}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "That doesn't answer the question. It's"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "just with interdimensional mode of"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "travel or angels and demons, it's an"}, {"end": "01:10:49", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "archetype that we're ascribing to this,"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "you need to go a step further. So"}, {"end": "01:10:53", "start": "01:10:49", "text": "obviously the same thing if these are"}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "biologically manufactured or mechanical"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:53", "text": "but they do seem to be made. Um who's"}, {"end": "01:11:01", "start": "01:10:56", "text": "making them and we currently are making"}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "things in our image it would make sense"}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:01", "text": "that they're making things in their"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "image too. The problem is"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:06", "text": "is that if they were making something to"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "study us and the whole point was to be"}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "less obtrusive, less scary, you'd think"}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "they'd make them in our image."}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:16", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:16", "text": "Not in their own. Yeah, it doesn't seem"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "to be a factor."}, {"end": "01:11:23", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "No. So, they're not making them to like"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "Well, except in the case of Travis"}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:23", "text": "Walton where the humanlike ones came to"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "get him out of the ship because he was"}, {"end": "01:11:29", "start": "01:11:26", "text": "pushing buttons and stuff,"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "but why would they both be in the in the"}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:29", "text": "craft then?"}, {"end": "01:11:33", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "Right. Exactly. They were already doing"}, {"end": "01:11:35", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "something else and they're like, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:33", "text": "code red in the control room."}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:35", "text": "Yeah, this guy's freaking out."}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:37", "text": "Escaped lumberjack.\" Um, so so yeah, I"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "do think that they're still being made"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "by future humans to perform certain"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "functions. And I completely agree that"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "they would make them not exactly like"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "us, but in a way where they we would get"}, {"end": "01:11:58", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "past a lot of the problems that we have."}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:11:58", "text": "there's a guy Dr. Bruce Latimer. He was"}, {"end": "01:12:05", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "the head of the um the Cleveland Museum"}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "of Natural History for a long time. He"}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:05", "text": "wrote a paper called the perils of being"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:07", "text": "bipedal, which I cite I think in both my"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:10", "text": "books because it's important. Like"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "upright walking is not ideal even on a"}, {"end": "01:12:20", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "tiny planet like ours. It's likely to be"}, {"end": "01:12:22", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "even less common on other planets, vast"}, {"end": "01:12:24", "start": "01:12:20", "text": "majority of which are much larger than"}, {"end": "01:12:26", "start": "01:12:22", "text": "our planet. We're the only upright"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:24", "text": "walking mammal habitually on this"}, {"end": "01:12:29", "start": "01:12:26", "text": "planet. And we suffer all kinds of"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "problems like hemorrhoids, choking,"}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:29", "text": "which you mentioned, fainting, uh back"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "problems, knee problems, neck problems."}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "A lot of them stem from gravity. But"}, {"end": "01:12:41", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "even outside of that, you know, there's"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "so many issues like the vestigial"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:41", "text": "appendix that we carry around that blows"}, {"end": "01:12:47", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "up sometimes and you have to get that"}, {"end": "01:12:48", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "taken out. So yeah, if you could make"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:47", "text": "something"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:48", "text": "allergies,"}, {"end": "01:12:54", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "yeah, the list is so long. We suck. We"}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "kind of suck. We evolved to be smart and"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:54", "text": "mostly because we can have our hands"}, {"end": "01:13:00", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "available."}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "Um, but we're pretty we're pretty unique"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:00", "text": "and we suck in a lot of ways,"}, {"end": "01:13:06", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "biohysically especially. But yeah, if"}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "you engineer something, you get past all"}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:06", "text": "those problems. And that would make"}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "sense why they're pooping out their"}, {"end": "01:13:13", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "skin. You know, they can still consume"}, {"end": "01:13:16", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "the food here. They can still oxygenate"}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:13", "text": "here, but then their excretion system,"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:16", "text": "like, yeah, why not have that come out"}, {"end": "01:13:21", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "in a little bit all over as opposed to"}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "one big thing all at once or three times"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:21", "text": "a day, depending on whether you're"}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "eating Taco Bell. So, I do think that"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "there are things they could do to make"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "us the way that we are described"}, {"end": "01:13:33", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "looking. Another interesting one to meme"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "that I got a lot of [\u00a0__\u00a0] for in my first"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:33", "text": "book was the alien autopsy video."}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:13:37", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "it's fake."}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:13:41", "start": "01:13:37", "text": "it's obviously fake."}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "I never said it was real. What I did say"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:41", "text": "is that it seems to be based on a real"}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "autopsy."}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "And based on how the internal and"}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:49", "text": "external anatomy of this individual"}, {"end": "01:13:55", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "looked was very similar to what you're"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:53", "text": "saying. It's not the same as ours. It's"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:55", "text": "close. It's still, you know, penodactyl."}, {"end": "01:14:02", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "It's still a tetropod, eyes, nose,"}, {"end": "01:14:05", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "mouth. But is there a second gut"}, {"end": "01:14:07", "start": "01:14:02", "text": "opening? You know, they didn't pan down"}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:05", "text": "to the butthole part,"}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:07", "text": "but there's clearly no external"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "genitalia. They don't need to reproduce"}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "if they're being produced. No,"}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "cuz they're being made by something"}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "else. They're not self-replicating. I"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "would love to know if there was a"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "butthole in this thing."}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:14:21", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "Because if there's not,"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "you and me both, pal."}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:21", "text": "Let's go find out, man. When they come"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "get us, when that knock on the door"}, {"end": "01:14:29", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "comes, one of them shows the camera"}, {"end": "01:14:31", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "down. Yeah, I would do that in the name"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:29", "text": "of science. I would show my butthole to"}, {"end": "01:14:35", "start": "01:14:31", "text": "these aliens if they showed me theirs. I"}, {"end": "01:14:37", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "have no problem with that. I'd probably"}, {"end": "01:14:39", "start": "01:14:35", "text": "show them anyway just for fun."}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:37", "text": "Um, but but that would answer a lot of"}, {"end": "01:14:42", "start": "01:14:39", "text": "questions, too. And especially with"}, {"end": "01:14:44", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "that, cuz I've heard that o over and"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:42", "text": "over again. I don't think those are"}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:44", "text": "future humans, but I do think they're"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "being made biologically engineered to"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "live by future humans in their own"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "image."}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "In their own image."}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "Just a quick interruption, folks. Hope"}, {"end": "01:14:57", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "you guys are enjoying the podcast. I"}, {"end": "01:15:00", "start": "01:14:55", "text": "wanted to announce that we have"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:57", "text": "officially launched our skiff five panel"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:15:00", "text": "hats. 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I have a pet theory"}, {"end": "01:15:27", "start": "01:15:19", "text": "that I've been like swinging around um a"}, {"end": "01:15:29", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "little bit, which is that this might all"}, {"end": "01:15:31", "start": "01:15:27", "text": "they might all be part of some system,"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:29", "text": "some type of autoimmune system that's"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:31", "text": "been put here and probably on a 100"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "million other planets, exoplanets."}, {"end": "01:15:37", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "Um that you know these things are"}, {"end": "01:15:42", "start": "01:15:37", "text": "probably these massive ships are"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "probably in the ocean. Um and they are,"}, {"end": "01:15:47", "start": "01:15:42", "text": "you know, there's all sorts of other,"}, {"end": "01:15:49", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "you know, tangential sort of related"}, {"end": "01:15:53", "start": "01:15:47", "text": "anecdotal uh evidence that supports"}, {"end": "01:15:56", "start": "01:15:49", "text": "this, but um that they're being ejected"}, {"end": "01:16:00", "start": "01:15:53", "text": "and deployed from the oceans to, you"}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:15:56", "text": "know, stop the nukes to perform um you"}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:16:00", "text": "know, these genetic modifications,"}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "which is why they have entities on"}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "board. Otherwise, there's no nobody on"}, {"end": "01:16:10", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "board like that. It's a system that"}, {"end": "01:16:13", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "we're interacting with like completely"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:10", "text": "autonomous. Um almost like some type of"}, {"end": "01:16:17", "start": "01:16:13", "text": "vonoymanesque"}, {"end": "01:16:19", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "uh probe that was sent here and on every"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "other planet dropped in the ocean and"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:19", "text": "like cuz if you were an intelligent"}, {"end": "01:16:24", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "being if you were really really"}, {"end": "01:16:27", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "advanced,"}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:24", "text": "you wouldn't need to keep an eye on you"}, {"end": "01:16:32", "start": "01:16:27", "text": "know uh your your experiment or or your"}, {"end": "01:16:34", "start": "01:16:30", "text": "zoo or your you know whatever it is that"}, {"end": "01:16:36", "start": "01:16:32", "text": "you got going on. you would probably"}, {"end": "01:16:37", "start": "01:16:34", "text": "have a system in place that do that for"}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:36", "text": "you. You know, it would be a waste of"}, {"end": "01:16:40", "start": "01:16:37", "text": "time for you to hop around to these"}, {"end": "01:16:43", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "planets. So, you'd have some type of"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:40", "text": "system there. Um, and then so that's"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:43", "text": "what I'm seeing. And are you familiar"}, {"end": "01:16:48", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "with like Sky Watcher and like these"}, {"end": "01:16:50", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "guys? Like it seems like what what"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:48", "text": "they're interacting with"}, {"end": "01:16:57", "start": "01:16:50", "text": "is is some type of um immune response"}, {"end": "01:16:59", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "because if you're summoning through a"}, {"end": "01:17:03", "start": "01:16:57", "text": "dog whistle or through war games"}, {"end": "01:17:05", "start": "01:16:59", "text": "simulation uh simulated war games if"}, {"end": "01:17:06", "start": "01:17:03", "text": "it's an intelligence you're not going to"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:05", "text": "summon them twice like they're they're"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:06", "text": "smarter. They're just not fish. Right."}, {"end": "01:17:11", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "So you're you're saying it's kind of"}, {"end": "01:17:15", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "like"}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:11", "text": "um like like a mosquito is on the skin"}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:15", "text": "and a hand comes out to swat it kind of"}, {"end": "01:17:20", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "thing, but more of like monitoring the"}, {"end": "01:17:22", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "entire system."}, {"end": "01:17:24", "start": "01:17:20", "text": "The entire system. And if there is"}, {"end": "01:17:26", "start": "01:17:22", "text": "anything that tilts the scales, it'll"}, {"end": "01:17:29", "start": "01:17:24", "text": "come monitor it. It'll come scan it. But"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:26", "text": "there's also probably, you know, other"}, {"end": "01:17:33", "start": "01:17:29", "text": "biomes being injected into this planet"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "and being sent off to other planets,"}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:33", "text": "which is probably, you know, accounts"}, {"end": "01:17:41", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "for the vast, you know, uh, amount of"}, {"end": "01:17:43", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "life forms that are here, plant, animal"}, {"end": "01:17:45", "start": "01:17:41", "text": "alike. I think it's just so, you know,"}, {"end": "01:17:47", "start": "01:17:43", "text": "we have sephopods, we also have praying"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:45", "text": "mantis, and we have sharks, we have, you"}, {"end": "01:17:50", "start": "01:17:47", "text": "know, zebras. Like, it's so wildly"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "different. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:50", "text": "That it would make sense that this is"}, {"end": "01:17:57", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "like from a million different planets."}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "And if you're if you're tasked whether"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:57", "text": "you're AI or not, if you're tasked to"}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "spread the seed across the universe, you"}, {"end": "01:18:07", "start": "01:18:03", "text": "would sort of in this like you would"}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "control this sort of panspermia, this"}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:07", "text": "this, you know, um this this zoo, this"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "cosmic zoo, and you would just implant"}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "these things and they would take care of"}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "themselves. And so these experiments,"}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "even these abductions, might all be just"}, {"end": "01:18:23", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "part of a system because again, we're"}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:21", "text": "interacting with these crafts. And a lot"}, {"end": "01:18:26", "start": "01:18:23", "text": "of times there's nothing in the craft."}, {"end": "01:18:28", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "There's just a couple chairs and there's"}, {"end": "01:18:28", "start": "01:18:26", "text": "a bed and you're like, well, okay, where"}, {"end": "01:18:31", "start": "01:18:28", "text": "do you poop? Oh, you don't have a"}, {"end": "01:18:32", "start": "01:18:28", "text": "butthole. Oh, okay. It's all And so it"}, {"end": "01:18:35", "start": "01:18:31", "text": "just And then there we're flooded with"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:32", "text": "like images of like, oh no, look, look"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:35", "text": "how beautiful everything is. And then,"}, {"end": "01:18:40", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "oh, look at the terribleness. And then"}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "you forget everything. And then you're"}, {"end": "01:18:44", "start": "01:18:40", "text": "back to and everybody is, oh, we're all"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "special. And it just seems like we're"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:44", "text": "interacting with some really intelligent"}, {"end": "01:18:54", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "system that's been put here to sort of"}, {"end": "01:18:57", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "help expedite our um evolution, but also"}, {"end": "01:19:00", "start": "01:18:54", "text": "to maintain and sort of terraform, you"}, {"end": "01:19:02", "start": "01:18:57", "text": "know, our planet. And that might not be"}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:19:00", "text": "outside of the, you know, the future"}, {"end": "01:19:07", "start": "01:19:02", "text": "humans hypothesis either. Like that"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:05", "text": "might all just be another part of it,"}, {"end": "01:19:10", "start": "01:19:07", "text": "another dimension of it. But that's just"}, {"end": "01:19:12", "start": "01:19:08", "text": "something that's been ruminating in my"}, {"end": "01:19:15", "start": "01:19:10", "text": "brain. Yeah. No, I like it. It kind of"}, {"end": "01:19:18", "start": "01:19:12", "text": "has elements of each of the main"}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:15", "text": "theories. Uh extraterrestrial,"}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:18", "text": "interdimensional, ultra"}, {"end": "01:19:23", "start": "01:19:20", "text": "cryptoaterrestrial for sure. You have an"}, {"end": "01:19:25", "start": "01:19:21", "text": "advanced civilization sequestering"}, {"end": "01:19:27", "start": "01:19:23", "text": "itself like that."}, {"end": "01:19:29", "start": "01:19:25", "text": "Yeah. I mean, it also sort of fits with"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:27", "text": "um I know you said you're reading the"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:29", "text": "raw contact material. They say something"}, {"end": "01:19:38", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "very similar to that le less less in a"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "physical context less like there's these"}, {"end": "01:19:45", "start": "01:19:38", "text": "machines and they're monitoring and um"}, {"end": "01:19:47", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "but more of like you know source logos"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:45", "text": "and then these sub logus loai"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:47", "text": "that exist and that they're sort of left"}, {"end": "01:19:54", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "to do their own thing but also being"}, {"end": "01:19:56", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "monitored and one of the reasons for our"}, {"end": "01:19:58", "start": "01:19:54", "text": "success they say specifically is our"}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:56", "text": "free use of hands. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:58", "text": "Uh that was kind of an experiment."}, {"end": "01:20:04", "start": "01:20:00", "text": "Um I don't know if they use that exact"}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "word, so I don't feel comfortable using"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:04", "text": "it, but but basically seeing how all of"}, {"end": "01:20:10", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "these different iterations of life on"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "all these different planets"}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:10", "text": "goes."}, {"end": "01:20:15", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "Maybe they're monitoring it from some"}, {"end": "01:20:18", "start": "01:20:13", "text": "sort of overarching"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:15", "text": "um consciousness"}, {"end": "01:20:21", "start": "01:20:18", "text": "sitting above the physical sort of"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "capacity."}, {"end": "01:20:25", "start": "01:20:21", "text": "Um but maybe there's a technological"}, {"end": "01:20:26", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "component to that too. They didn't"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:25", "text": "specify."}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:26", "text": "Yeah. And and you know you look at all"}, {"end": "01:20:32", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "the different species that we are likely"}, {"end": "01:20:34", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "interacting with. First of all, most of"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:32", "text": "them are bipedal like you said. Uh but"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:34", "text": "also then we have what you have a"}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "praying mantis which can be found on"}, {"end": "01:20:41", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "Earth. You have a lizard people which"}, {"end": "01:20:43", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "can be found on Earth. You know you have"}, {"end": "01:20:45", "start": "01:20:41", "text": "all these it's like this giant family"}, {"end": "01:20:47", "start": "01:20:43", "text": "like they're all we're all part of the"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:45", "text": "same family. We're all you know there's"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:47", "text": "no um these are all recognizable things."}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:50", "text": "They're not things that are you know so"}, {"end": "01:20:54", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "foreign to us. They're a future us. Like"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "they're we all seem like we're pulling"}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:54", "text": "from the same genetic pool. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:20:59", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "on some scale."}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "Yeah. I mean, well, everything on Earth"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:20:59", "text": "does share DNA, every living form. So,"}, {"end": "01:21:05", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "there is a common element there for"}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "sure."}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:05", "text": "Um, you know, my take at this point is"}, {"end": "01:21:17", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "we don't know. So I really feel that any"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "valid theory should be on the table, you"}, {"end": "01:21:21", "start": "01:21:17", "text": "know, and and especially because like I"}, {"end": "01:21:23", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "get pigeonholed as like the the time"}, {"end": "01:21:25", "start": "01:21:21", "text": "travel guy, you know, from the very"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:23", "text": "first conference I did, uh David"}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:25", "text": "Childress, I think is his name. Uh he's"}, {"end": "01:21:32", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "been on ancient aliens a bunch, but he"}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:30", "text": "it was me and him in an elevator and"}, {"end": "01:21:34", "start": "01:21:32", "text": "he's like, \"Oh, you're the time travel"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:33", "text": "guy, right?\""}, {"end": "01:21:39", "start": "01:21:34", "text": "I guess so. But I really don't think"}, {"end": "01:21:41", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "that time travel explains this whole"}, {"end": "01:21:43", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "phenomenon. I I really do think there's"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:41", "text": "elements of cryptoaterrestrial,"}, {"end": "01:21:46", "start": "01:21:43", "text": "definitely ultraterrestrial,"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "interdimensional I think is one aspect"}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:46", "text": "of both of those previous two."}, {"end": "01:21:54", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "Um yeah, especially the um this system"}, {"end": "01:21:56", "start": "01:21:53", "text": "thing too when I when I talk about I"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:54", "text": "think maybe it accounts for 40 to 50% of"}, {"end": "01:21:58", "start": "01:21:56", "text": "what's going on."}, {"end": "01:21:59", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:22:01", "start": "01:21:58", "text": "there might be rogue entities. There"}, {"end": "01:22:03", "start": "01:21:59", "text": "might be all sorts of other weird stuff."}, {"end": "01:22:05", "start": "01:22:01", "text": "I think there is all kinds of weird"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "stuff and I've long said that I don't"}, {"end": "01:22:09", "start": "01:22:05", "text": "think this theory explains the entirety"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "of the phenomenon. I still get accused"}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:09", "text": "of that"}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "regardless of how many times I've said"}, {"end": "01:22:16", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "it in the last seven years since I've"}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "been speaking publicly about this."}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:16", "text": "There's just way too much variation."}, {"end": "01:22:24", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "There's way too much going on. And and"}, {"end": "01:22:26", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "likely what we're looking at is some"}, {"end": "01:22:28", "start": "01:22:24", "text": "version of all of those things where if"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:26", "text": "we focus on certain parts of it, it can"}, {"end": "01:22:32", "start": "01:22:28", "text": "maybe be explained better by like a"}, {"end": "01:22:34", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "system monitoring influencing thing or"}, {"end": "01:22:37", "start": "01:22:32", "text": "other parts by more of a cryptoaterrest"}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:34", "text": "or others as like a more ethereal"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:37", "text": "ultraterrestrial or some I I do really"}, {"end": "01:22:44", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "strongly think some of it is actually"}, {"end": "01:22:46", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "our physical descendants coming back in"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:44", "text": "time. But what percentage of the"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:46", "text": "phenomenon is that? You know, just"}, {"end": "01:22:50", "start": "01:22:48", "text": "because I think it's part of it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:22:51", "start": "01:22:49", "text": "mean I think it's all of it."}, {"end": "01:22:53", "start": "01:22:50", "text": "No. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:22:55", "start": "01:22:51", "text": "And likely, you know, what you're saying"}, {"end": "01:22:57", "start": "01:22:53", "text": "also takes elements of the different"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:55", "text": "theories and sort of works them in"}, {"end": "01:23:03", "start": "01:22:57", "text": "because all we can really do is look at"}, {"end": "01:23:06", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "what's happening as described by people"}, {"end": "01:23:08", "start": "01:23:03", "text": "have these interactions. Um, also more"}, {"end": "01:23:09", "start": "01:23:06", "text": "recently based on things people are"}, {"end": "01:23:12", "start": "01:23:08", "text": "saying from working with the actual"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:09", "text": "craft. um having these these real"}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:12", "text": "documented verifiable interactions uh"}, {"end": "01:23:21", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "you know are being sequestered away but"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "David Grush and the Skywatcher"}, {"end": "01:23:25", "start": "01:23:21", "text": "yeah Jake Barber"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "Jake Barber um so these people that that"}, {"end": "01:23:28", "start": "01:23:25", "text": "you know and it's not really that"}, {"end": "01:23:30", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "different from the pilots or the"}, {"end": "01:23:32", "start": "01:23:28", "text": "policemen or the military that have seen"}, {"end": "01:23:35", "start": "01:23:30", "text": "things but we're just getting more data"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:32", "text": "points from more people and if we bring"}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:35", "text": "that in we can sort of see okay well"}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "maybe that's like 20% of it now or this"}, {"end": "01:23:46", "start": "01:23:41", "text": "one's down to like 40 or this is up."}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "But honestly, like all of it should be"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:46", "text": "on the table. I agree. And we shouldn't"}, {"end": "01:23:52", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "throw anything out because, you know,"}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "even if it only explains 1% of it. Yep."}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:52", "text": "It's important."}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "It's important. I mean, if we can just"}, {"end": "01:23:57", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "if we could explain 1% of it, that would"}, {"end": "01:24:00", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "be 1% more than we actually know."}, {"end": "01:24:01", "start": "01:23:57", "text": "Yeah, I know. Exactly. Um, all right. I"}, {"end": "01:24:03", "start": "01:24:00", "text": "want to I want to get to something"}, {"end": "01:24:05", "start": "01:24:01", "text": "actually before we get to something. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:24:07", "start": "01:24:03", "text": "one question that I'm sure the audience"}, {"end": "01:24:09", "start": "01:24:05", "text": "is going to have and and I'm pretty sure"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:07", "text": "we have an answer to this. I'm pretty"}, {"end": "01:24:11", "start": "01:24:09", "text": "sure you do as well and you've talked"}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "about it, but I do want to a lot of"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:11", "text": "pressure by the way."}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "Well, it is like why, right? Um and and"}, {"end": "01:24:22", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "the why seems to be, you know, there's"}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "the dropping the the alarming rate at"}, {"end": "01:24:27", "start": "01:24:22", "text": "which sperm count is dropping since the"}, {"end": "01:24:31", "start": "01:24:24", "text": "80s was like 1% per year or some crazy"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:27", "text": "fact like that. Um, and so is that in"}, {"end": "01:24:35", "start": "01:24:31", "text": "your opinion part of the reason why they"}, {"end": "01:24:37", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "would be traveling back is to"}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:35", "text": "genetically alter us so that the"}, {"end": "01:24:43", "start": "01:24:37", "text": "preservation of their own species?"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:41", "text": "Is that would you say that that's that"}, {"end": "01:24:49", "start": "01:24:43", "text": "explains the why? Like what what else"}, {"end": "01:24:51", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "what other explanations would there be?"}, {"end": "01:24:54", "start": "01:24:49", "text": "I mean, I think that's I think the why"}, {"end": "01:24:56", "start": "01:24:51", "text": "question is as nuanced as all of the"}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:54", "text": "other ones, especially the who question."}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:56", "text": "who, what, when, where, why. Um, who I"}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:24:59", "text": "believe as we talked about some part is"}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "future humans. What it's kind of the"}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "same thing when I do think uh more"}, {"end": "01:25:11", "start": "01:25:07", "text": "recently as a a snapshot of different"}, {"end": "01:25:13", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "time periods. I think we're seen in the"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:11", "text": "various physiological forms of these"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:13", "text": "visitors sort of their ambassadors of"}, {"end": "01:25:19", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "their time both culturally,"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:18", "text": "technologically, and also"}, {"end": "01:25:23", "start": "01:25:19", "text": "physiologically. They were obviously the"}, {"end": "01:25:25", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "ones that are in possession of the time"}, {"end": "01:25:27", "start": "01:25:23", "text": "machine and are freezing elk and"}, {"end": "01:25:31", "start": "01:25:25", "text": "grasshoppers and rabbits with a time"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:27", "text": "wand. They're more advanced than us"}, {"end": "01:25:35", "start": "01:25:31", "text": "technologically, but they still look a"}, {"end": "01:25:37", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "lot like us. Whereas the grays that can"}, {"end": "01:25:39", "start": "01:25:35", "text": "control our minds, make us fall asleep,"}, {"end": "01:25:41", "start": "01:25:37", "text": "stay asleep, epic telepathic"}, {"end": "01:25:43", "start": "01:25:39", "text": "communication. I'm guessing that's a"}, {"end": "01:25:45", "start": "01:25:41", "text": "very distant point in our future."}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:43", "text": "Um, and how distant would you would you"}, {"end": "01:25:48", "start": "01:25:45", "text": "assume?"}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "I hate that question. Okay. Because uh"}, {"end": "01:25:51", "start": "01:25:48", "text": "the only reason I bring it up because"}, {"end": "01:25:53", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "Dan Burrish has like two timelines of"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:51", "text": "like two different things. This 50,000"}, {"end": "01:25:59", "start": "01:25:53", "text": "70,000,000. Yeah, I do strongly believe"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "we could get to that point in about that"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:25:59", "text": "period of time. There's a um a skull. I"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "actually just bought it. Not the real"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "one cuz that would be highly illegal and"}, {"end": "01:26:11", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "impossible. But I bought um a plaster"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "cast of this um early homo sapien from"}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:11", "text": "160,000 years ago."}, {"end": "01:26:18", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "Wow. uh I believe from the Aash area of"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "Ethiopia. Could be wrong about exact"}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:18", "text": "location, but if you look at this thing"}, {"end": "01:26:25", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "even 160,000 years ago, which is a blink"}, {"end": "01:26:28", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "of an eye in homin evolutionary history,"}, {"end": "01:26:31", "start": "01:26:25", "text": "it has the big brow ridges. It has the"}, {"end": "01:26:34", "start": "01:26:28", "text": "low sloping forehead, the big robust"}, {"end": "01:26:37", "start": "01:26:31", "text": "facial structure. It looks much more"}, {"end": "01:26:40", "start": "01:26:34", "text": "like a Neanderl Dennisovvenis"}, {"end": "01:26:42", "start": "01:26:37", "text": "Bodto than it does a modern human in"}, {"end": "01:26:43", "start": "01:26:40", "text": "160,000 years. A lot of your listeners"}, {"end": "01:26:46", "start": "01:26:42", "text": "will probably be like, well, that's a"}, {"end": "01:26:48", "start": "01:26:43", "text": "long, you know, that's a long time. It's"}, {"end": "01:26:51", "start": "01:26:46", "text": "really not. And we've changed so much in"}, {"end": "01:26:53", "start": "01:26:48", "text": "that time. And importantly, we see an"}, {"end": "01:26:56", "start": "01:26:51", "text": "acceleration in the rate of change in"}, {"end": "01:26:59", "start": "01:26:53", "text": "our cranioacial anatomy. So, if you fast"}, {"end": "01:27:01", "start": "01:26:56", "text": "forward, even if we take out of the"}, {"end": "01:27:03", "start": "01:26:59", "text": "equation how they may be manipulating"}, {"end": "01:27:06", "start": "01:27:01", "text": "us, and if we are the same species, they"}, {"end": "01:27:08", "start": "01:27:03", "text": "would be able to do that um or"}, {"end": "01:27:09", "start": "01:27:06", "text": "hybridizing with us or interbreeding at"}, {"end": "01:27:11", "start": "01:27:08", "text": "any point in history. And there's some"}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:09", "text": "indication that maybe that was"}, {"end": "01:27:13", "start": "01:27:11", "text": "happening. I used to get asked that"}, {"end": "01:27:16", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "question. I'm like, I don't want to"}, {"end": "01:27:17", "start": "01:27:13", "text": "touch that. I'm far enough out there now"}, {"end": "01:27:18", "start": "01:27:16", "text": "that everybody probably thinks I'm crazy"}, {"end": "01:27:21", "start": "01:27:17", "text": "already. Anyway,"}, {"end": "01:27:23", "start": "01:27:18", "text": "there are a number of indications. But"}, {"end": "01:27:24", "start": "01:27:21", "text": "let's go, man."}, {"end": "01:27:26", "start": "01:27:23", "text": "There are enough indications that"}, {"end": "01:27:30", "start": "01:27:24", "text": "something's happening"}, {"end": "01:27:33", "start": "01:27:26", "text": "as indicated from cultural histories,"}, {"end": "01:27:34", "start": "01:27:30", "text": "biblical records, historical texts,"}, {"end": "01:27:38", "start": "01:27:33", "text": "religious texts of all forms, not just"}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:34", "text": "the Bible. Um, so I would I would be"}, {"end": "01:27:43", "start": "01:27:38", "text": "willing to toss my hat in that ring and"}, {"end": "01:27:46", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "say that there may be some sort of"}, {"end": "01:27:47", "start": "01:27:43", "text": "whether it be intentional or just damn"}, {"end": "01:27:49", "start": "01:27:46", "text": "people from that time were hot. Let's go"}, {"end": "01:27:52", "start": "01:27:47", "text": "make some babies. You know, I I don't"}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:49", "text": "know what the actual reason is, but that"}, {"end": "01:27:56", "start": "01:27:52", "text": "would obviously speed things up, too. If"}, {"end": "01:27:59", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "we're interjecting genes from a more"}, {"end": "01:28:01", "start": "01:27:56", "text": "evolved future, those, you know, would"}, {"end": "01:28:04", "start": "01:27:59", "text": "would move us in that direction faster."}, {"end": "01:28:06", "start": "01:28:01", "text": "Even without that, it does seem like we"}, {"end": "01:28:08", "start": "01:28:04", "text": "could get to the point where we have"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:06", "text": "these little DMT trolls or whatever you"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:08", "text": "called them. I don't know why I can't"}, {"end": "01:28:11", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "remember."}, {"end": "01:28:13", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "Skiffnomes."}, {"end": "01:28:15", "start": "01:28:11", "text": "Skiffnomes. Why can't I remember that?"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:13", "text": "Um, it does seem like we could get to"}, {"end": "01:28:19", "start": "01:28:15", "text": "the point where we have skiffnome"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "characteristics in 65 to 70,000 years."}, {"end": "01:28:23", "start": "01:28:19", "text": "What's interesting is that like we"}, {"end": "01:28:26", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "decided I mean these things they ramp up"}, {"end": "01:28:28", "start": "01:28:23", "text": "between the 50s and 90s, right? like"}, {"end": "01:28:30", "start": "01:28:26", "text": "this is we're 60s and 90s I would say"}, {"end": "01:28:32", "start": "01:28:28", "text": "even more so the abductions and the"}, {"end": "01:28:34", "start": "01:28:30", "text": "genetic modifications"}, {"end": "01:28:37", "start": "01:28:32", "text": "and"}, {"end": "01:28:40", "start": "01:28:34", "text": "you know according to the data showing"}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:37", "text": "that we do you know we are declining in"}, {"end": "01:28:45", "start": "01:28:40", "text": "our ability to reproduce"}, {"end": "01:28:49", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "wouldn't it be more prudent of them to"}, {"end": "01:28:49", "start": "01:28:45", "text": "abduct people from the 1850s"}, {"end": "01:28:56", "start": "01:28:49", "text": "well um I I I realize I didn't answer"}, {"end": "01:28:57", "start": "01:28:53", "text": "your question I was coming back to it. I"}, {"end": "01:28:59", "start": "01:28:56", "text": "don't usually read comments and things,"}, {"end": "01:29:01", "start": "01:28:57", "text": "but I did get a comment recently that's"}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:28:59", "text": "like, \"This guy never answers the"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:01", "text": "questions.\" Problem is, I do answer it."}, {"end": "01:29:08", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "I just go a very long and winding road"}, {"end": "01:29:09", "start": "01:29:06", "text": "to get there sometimes. So, if you're"}, {"end": "01:29:11", "start": "01:29:08", "text": "not if you're not willing to come along"}, {"end": "01:29:12", "start": "01:29:09", "text": "on the journey,"}, {"end": "01:29:14", "start": "01:29:11", "text": "trust that I do come back to it. And I"}, {"end": "01:29:15", "start": "01:29:12", "text": "was planning on getting back to the why"}, {"end": "01:29:21", "start": "01:29:14", "text": "question because I think it's one of the"}, {"end": "01:29:24", "start": "01:29:15", "text": "most important ones. Um but yeah um"}, {"end": "01:29:24", "start": "01:29:21", "text": "there"}, {"end": "01:29:31", "start": "01:29:25", "text": "the where I was going is not just with"}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:27", "text": "the Dan Burr stuff um but that we are"}, {"end": "01:29:37", "start": "01:29:31", "text": "evolving quickly."}, {"end": "01:29:39", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "We are likely to look like that sooner"}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:37", "text": "than I previously thought. And a lot of"}, {"end": "01:29:42", "start": "01:29:39", "text": "people say you know millions of years"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "will take us millions of years to get"}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:42", "text": "there. to your second question that I"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "think is very much related to the first"}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "one."}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "You would just need to go back to a"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "period where you had enough genetic"}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "diversity but also a large enough"}, {"end": "01:29:59", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "population that you would have your pick"}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "of the litter so to speak,"}, {"end": "01:30:03", "start": "01:29:59", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "01:30:06", "start": "01:30:00", "text": "The thing that gets a little dark is"}, {"end": "01:30:08", "start": "01:30:03", "text": "that so with the idea in general, people"}, {"end": "01:30:10", "start": "01:30:06", "text": "are like, \"Oh, wow. So that means humans"}, {"end": "01:30:12", "start": "01:30:08", "text": "survive and we survive climate"}, {"end": "01:30:14", "start": "01:30:10", "text": "catastrophes. We don't nuke each other."}, {"end": "01:30:16", "start": "01:30:12", "text": "Not necessarily."}, {"end": "01:30:19", "start": "01:30:14", "text": "It gives us hope that our species will"}, {"end": "01:30:21", "start": "01:30:16", "text": "endure in whatever capacity. But the"}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:19", "text": "fact that this"}, {"end": "01:30:29", "start": "01:30:21", "text": "game extraction program largely ran from"}, {"end": "01:30:32", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "the 1970s until the naughties, maybe the"}, {"end": "01:30:35", "start": "01:30:29", "text": "10ens, and then just stopped seems to"}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:32", "text": "indicate that this was that point where"}, {"end": "01:30:40", "start": "01:30:35", "text": "we had a large enough population. It's a"}, {"end": "01:30:44", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "lot to draw from, but also"}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:40", "text": "um maybe a period of genetic diversity"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:44", "text": "that we won't have, right? Cuz the"}, {"end": "01:30:53", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "question of why, you know, in general,"}, {"end": "01:30:55", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "yeah, we see a 60% decrease in sperm"}, {"end": "01:30:57", "start": "01:30:53", "text": "counts in the western world. It's not"}, {"end": "01:30:59", "start": "01:30:55", "text": "just men, you know, we tend to focus on"}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:57", "text": "on men's reproductivity, but women are"}, {"end": "01:31:05", "start": "01:30:59", "text": "having a harder trouble, harder time"}, {"end": "01:31:07", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "reproducing as well. Um, interestingly,"}, {"end": "01:31:10", "start": "01:31:05", "text": "as we interject in vitro fertilization"}, {"end": "01:31:11", "start": "01:31:07", "text": "and help women that already shouldn't be"}, {"end": "01:31:14", "start": "01:31:10", "text": "able to reproduce reproduce, same thing"}, {"end": "01:31:15", "start": "01:31:11", "text": "with men that we're taking those genes"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:14", "text": "that made it harder for them to"}, {"end": "01:31:19", "start": "01:31:15", "text": "reproduce, perpetuating those into the"}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:17", "text": "population, which further contributes to"}, {"end": "01:31:23", "start": "01:31:19", "text": "the problem. So, it helps the"}, {"end": "01:31:25", "start": "01:31:20", "text": "individual. You know, everybody has the"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:23", "text": "right to"}, {"end": "01:31:30", "start": "01:31:25", "text": "have a child and feel the love that"}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:26", "text": "comes with that. No, nobody should uh be"}, {"end": "01:31:35", "start": "01:31:30", "text": "robbed of that if we have the technology"}, {"end": "01:31:36", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "to help it, but that's also helping make"}, {"end": "01:31:38", "start": "01:31:35", "text": "the problem worse in the future by"}, {"end": "01:31:39", "start": "01:31:36", "text": "fixing that problem for individuals. And"}, {"end": "01:31:41", "start": "01:31:38", "text": "and we see this with everything. It's"}, {"end": "01:31:44", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "individual versus society with most"}, {"end": "01:31:47", "start": "01:31:41", "text": "things. It's the sort of a cosmic um"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:44", "text": "tragedy of the common situation. So"}, {"end": "01:31:52", "start": "01:31:47", "text": "yeah, we are seeing more difficulty with"}, {"end": "01:31:54", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "reproduction. If that continues into the"}, {"end": "01:31:56", "start": "01:31:52", "text": "future, we may need to come back and get"}, {"end": "01:31:59", "start": "01:31:54", "text": "gameamtes that help diversify that gene"}, {"end": "01:32:01", "start": "01:31:56", "text": "pool. get over some of the problems that"}, {"end": "01:32:04", "start": "01:31:59", "text": "we're having, especially if there is"}, {"end": "01:32:06", "start": "01:32:01", "text": "some sort of bottleneck event."}, {"end": "01:32:07", "start": "01:32:04", "text": "Um, and if you have the ability to go"}, {"end": "01:32:11", "start": "01:32:06", "text": "back in time and get genes from any"}, {"end": "01:32:13", "start": "01:32:07", "text": "point in the past, those characteristics"}, {"end": "01:32:15", "start": "01:32:11", "text": "would be important. One thing I've also"}, {"end": "01:32:18", "start": "01:32:13", "text": "heard, and this makes sense in kind of a"}, {"end": "01:32:20", "start": "01:32:15", "text": "transhumanism capacity, is and and this"}, {"end": "01:32:22", "start": "01:32:18", "text": "is based on what people report, some"}, {"end": "01:32:24", "start": "01:32:20", "text": "people, not everybody, that they're"}, {"end": "01:32:25", "start": "01:32:22", "text": "coming back to a time that predates when"}, {"end": "01:32:28", "start": "01:32:24", "text": "we started to merge ourselves with"}, {"end": "01:32:28", "start": "01:32:25", "text": "technology."}, {"end": "01:32:35", "start": "01:32:29", "text": "which we're seemingly on the cusp of"}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:31", "text": "right now. I don't know what effect that"}, {"end": "01:32:40", "start": "01:32:35", "text": "might have. There's no way to know. But"}, {"end": "01:32:43", "start": "01:32:38", "text": "if you hear that enough and you kind of"}, {"end": "01:32:46", "start": "01:32:40", "text": "see how fast we've come to where we are"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:43", "text": "and how fast we could be moving in that"}, {"end": "01:32:52", "start": "01:32:46", "text": "direction, it's definitely something to"}, {"end": "01:32:53", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "consider. So, as far as why, I think a"}, {"end": "01:32:56", "start": "01:32:52", "text": "big part of it is studying our own past,"}, {"end": "01:32:59", "start": "01:32:53", "text": "as I would, and that's sort of a a"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:56", "text": "pretty intuitive one, you know, like I"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:59", "text": "think that's how we started the"}, {"end": "01:33:04", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "conversation. If I could get in a UFO"}, {"end": "01:33:05", "start": "01:33:02", "text": "and go back in time, I would do these"}, {"end": "01:33:06", "start": "01:33:04", "text": "exact same things."}, {"end": "01:33:08", "start": "01:33:05", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:33:10", "start": "01:33:06", "text": "Um, even the fecal sample, like you can"}, {"end": "01:33:13", "start": "01:33:08", "text": "learn so much from studying people's"}, {"end": "01:33:16", "start": "01:33:10", "text": "fecal material, um, what they ate. I"}, {"end": "01:33:18", "start": "01:33:13", "text": "heard uh Reese Darby, a really hilarious"}, {"end": "01:33:20", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "guy, one of the funniest people in the"}, {"end": "01:33:22", "start": "01:33:18", "text": "world. Um he's got a podcast called The"}, {"end": "01:33:24", "start": "01:33:20", "text": "Crypted Factor, and I heard him say on"}, {"end": "01:33:25", "start": "01:33:22", "text": "there once, why why not just ask them,"}, {"end": "01:33:27", "start": "01:33:24", "text": "you know, why not just ask them what"}, {"end": "01:33:28", "start": "01:33:25", "text": "they ate instead of sticking something"}, {"end": "01:33:29", "start": "01:33:27", "text": "in their butt and taking this peel"}, {"end": "01:33:31", "start": "01:33:28", "text": "sample"}, {"end": "01:33:32", "start": "01:33:29", "text": "and yeah, I mean that that kind of makes"}, {"end": "01:33:35", "start": "01:33:31", "text": "sense, but a lot of these people are"}, {"end": "01:33:36", "start": "01:33:32", "text": "hysterical or put in a comeomaos state"}, {"end": "01:33:38", "start": "01:33:35", "text": "or asleep or whatever. So, you don't"}, {"end": "01:33:40", "start": "01:33:36", "text": "have that ability to sit there and, you"}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:38", "text": "know, ask them what they had. And as my"}, {"end": "01:33:43", "start": "01:33:40", "text": "editor pointed out, I hadn't thought"}, {"end": "01:33:45", "start": "01:33:42", "text": "about this, but it made a lot of sense,"}, {"end": "01:33:46", "start": "01:33:43", "text": "is that you're not just learning about"}, {"end": "01:33:49", "start": "01:33:45", "text": "what they ate that day. You're learning"}, {"end": "01:33:51", "start": "01:33:46", "text": "about their entire gut microbiome, which"}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:49", "text": "as we're learning, has a lot to do with"}, {"end": "01:33:55", "start": "01:33:51", "text": "not just physical health, but also"}, {"end": "01:33:58", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "mental health and anxiety and stress and"}, {"end": "01:34:02", "start": "01:33:55", "text": "things like that. So it could be that"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:33:58", "text": "the anal probe part is an aspect of"}, {"end": "01:34:08", "start": "01:34:02", "text": "really that holistic understanding of"}, {"end": "01:34:10", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "humanity and human physiology and health"}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "and disease in the past."}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:10", "text": "The gaming extraction thing obviously"}, {"end": "01:34:15", "start": "01:34:12", "text": "that's so ubiquitous in all of these"}, {"end": "01:34:17", "start": "01:34:14", "text": "different cases."}, {"end": "01:34:19", "start": "01:34:15", "text": "Then there's deeper elements of why"}, {"end": "01:34:21", "start": "01:34:17", "text": "there too could be problems with"}, {"end": "01:34:22", "start": "01:34:19", "text": "reproduction in the future. Could be"}, {"end": "01:34:24", "start": "01:34:21", "text": "that this is a bottleneck coming that we"}, {"end": "01:34:26", "start": "01:34:22", "text": "are going to have limited genome to draw"}, {"end": "01:34:30", "start": "01:34:24", "text": "from and we're already becoming an"}, {"end": "01:34:31", "start": "01:34:26", "text": "inbred island on this little ball"}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:30", "text": "floating through space because we're all"}, {"end": "01:34:35", "start": "01:34:31", "text": "in our breeding. There's no new novel"}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "gene variants to come from other"}, {"end": "01:34:39", "start": "01:34:35", "text": "populations like they were in a"}, {"end": "01:34:42", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "pre-colonial state. So"}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "aside from Anthony via"}, {"end": "01:34:47", "start": "01:34:42", "text": "right well yeah I mean for for yeah"}, {"end": "01:34:50", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "Antonio"}, {"end": "01:34:51", "start": "01:34:47", "text": "Antonio vs. Um, and you know what's cool"}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:50", "text": "is there's a lot of other cases of"}, {"end": "01:34:58", "start": "01:34:51", "text": "reproduction too where sometimes it's"}, {"end": "01:35:00", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "not so consensual. Um, I forget who"}, {"end": "01:35:03", "start": "01:34:58", "text": "wrote the book. There's a book called"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:35:00", "text": "Without Consent. He's a British author."}, {"end": "01:35:06", "start": "01:35:03", "text": "I can picture his face, but I can't"}, {"end": "01:35:08", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "think of his name."}, {"end": "01:35:10", "start": "01:35:06", "text": "Um, so there are instances of actual"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:08", "text": "violations of people's bodies and"}, {"end": "01:35:14", "start": "01:35:10", "text": "reproductive systems. And I list a"}, {"end": "01:35:16", "start": "01:35:12", "text": "couple cases in my second book, too."}, {"end": "01:35:18", "start": "01:35:14", "text": "Linda Jones being one of them."}, {"end": "01:35:19", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "Peter Curry is an interesting one. I"}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:18", "text": "don't know if you heard of his case, an"}, {"end": "01:35:23", "start": "01:35:19", "text": "Australian man."}, {"end": "01:35:25", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "Um, he was visited by gorgeous blonde"}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:23", "text": "women, right? Every guy's dream."}, {"end": "01:35:29", "start": "01:35:25", "text": "Um, except he was married and in bed"}, {"end": "01:35:31", "start": "01:35:27", "text": "with his wife or like she was or she was"}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:29", "text": "coming home or something, right? And he"}, {"end": "01:35:35", "start": "01:35:31", "text": "wakes up,"}, {"end": "01:35:37", "start": "01:35:32", "text": "gorgeous blonde on top of him, you know,"}, {"end": "01:35:40", "start": "01:35:35", "text": "um,"}, {"end": "01:35:43", "start": "01:35:37", "text": "giant eyes, weird looking almost, you"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:40", "text": "know, uncanny valley type like bizarre,"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:43", "text": "not quite human, but still pretty hot."}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "And um she was taking advantage of him"}, {"end": "01:35:56", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "and he didn't know what was happening."}, {"end": "01:35:57", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "And so he bit her breast cuz she was"}, {"end": "01:36:01", "start": "01:35:56", "text": "like she pushed he was screaming. She"}, {"end": "01:36:05", "start": "01:35:57", "text": "pushed his face uh in in her chest. He"}, {"end": "01:36:08", "start": "01:36:01", "text": "he bit her I think nipple and was like"}, {"end": "01:36:11", "start": "01:36:05", "text": "met with like this burning sensation in"}, {"end": "01:36:12", "start": "01:36:08", "text": "his mouth like like acid almost. And"}, {"end": "01:36:14", "start": "01:36:11", "text": "he's scared and he's screaming, \"What"}, {"end": "01:36:17", "start": "01:36:12", "text": "the heck are you doing here?\""}, {"end": "01:36:20", "start": "01:36:14", "text": "Uh they end up leaving. Wife comes home."}, {"end": "01:36:21", "start": "01:36:17", "text": "What's going on? And he's trying to"}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:20", "text": "explain what happened."}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:21", "text": "Yeah, fair question."}, {"end": "01:36:27", "start": "01:36:22", "text": "Around his genitals, around his penis."}, {"end": "01:36:30", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "He he takes this strand of hair which"}, {"end": "01:36:32", "start": "01:36:27", "text": "was wrapped around like and it burned"}, {"end": "01:36:35", "start": "01:36:30", "text": "when he took it off"}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:32", "text": "and he had this strand. He had it"}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:35", "text": "verified genetically"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:37", "text": "and it came back. the tests came back as"}, {"end": "01:36:44", "start": "01:36:39", "text": "it was human but dated from thousands of"}, {"end": "01:36:45", "start": "01:36:42", "text": "years ago in Tibet,"}, {"end": "01:36:47", "start": "01:36:44", "text": "which made no sense."}, {"end": "01:36:50", "start": "01:36:45", "text": "And he he has this sample. This is like"}, {"end": "01:36:52", "start": "01:36:47", "text": "a real sample that he would have. And so"}, {"end": "01:36:55", "start": "01:36:50", "text": "again, we're looking at"}, {"end": "01:36:57", "start": "01:36:52", "text": "some past genetic pool perhaps or some"}, {"end": "01:37:00", "start": "01:36:55", "text": "time traveling instance. And you know,"}, {"end": "01:37:02", "start": "01:36:57", "text": "to your to your point too that why now?"}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:37:00", "text": "Why here? Why in this 40 to 50 year time"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:02", "text": "period? They were probably doing the"}, {"end": "01:37:08", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "same thing in these other periods too."}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "They were clearly being visited"}, {"end": "01:37:14", "start": "01:37:08", "text": "as as indicated by these various forms"}, {"end": "01:37:16", "start": "01:37:11", "text": "of art. And yeah, so maybe they were"}, {"end": "01:37:17", "start": "01:37:14", "text": "collecting genes from those periods too."}, {"end": "01:37:19", "start": "01:37:16", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:17", "text": "it's harder to represent that in a"}, {"end": "01:37:23", "start": "01:37:19", "text": "pictograph on a cave, I guess. You know,"}, {"end": "01:37:25", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "we didn't we didn't have the squirt"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:23", "text": "emoji and the the cucumber or whatever"}, {"end": "01:37:30", "start": "01:37:25", "text": "this eggplant, I guess. Um, though that"}, {"end": "01:37:33", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "would be hilarious if some archaeologist"}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:30", "text": "found that at some point. Um, so yeah, I"}, {"end": "01:37:36", "start": "01:37:33", "text": "mean it's it's very possible that they"}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "are sampling from a lot of different"}, {"end": "01:37:41", "start": "01:37:36", "text": "places. And like I was talking about"}, {"end": "01:37:43", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "before, we we do need to recognize when"}, {"end": "01:37:46", "start": "01:37:41", "text": "we have elements of technology in our"}, {"end": "01:37:49", "start": "01:37:43", "text": "own culture today that we also see in"}, {"end": "01:37:51", "start": "01:37:46", "text": "association with these craft. And one is"}, {"end": "01:37:53", "start": "01:37:49", "text": "is um it it's hard to talk about this"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:51", "text": "without sounding kind of crude, but like"}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:53", "text": "an ejaculation machine like these exist"}, {"end": "01:37:59", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "in Japan when people go to give a semen"}, {"end": "01:38:02", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "sample. It's kind of awkward. You get"}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:37:59", "text": "out the magazines, you know. Um but but"}, {"end": "01:38:05", "start": "01:38:02", "text": "they just stick it in there and and go"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:04", "text": "home, you know, and they seemingly have"}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:05", "text": "the same exact thing that people"}, {"end": "01:38:10", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "describe over and over again. But yeah,"}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:09", "text": "in some cases,"}, {"end": "01:38:14", "start": "01:38:10", "text": "they're probably so much better."}, {"end": "01:38:16", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "Probably it's like instantaneous. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:38:19", "start": "01:38:14", "text": "I'm sure the one in Japan still takes a"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:16", "text": "while. Uh I I should do research."}, {"end": "01:38:23", "start": "01:38:19", "text": "The aliens have really optimized"}, {"end": "01:38:25", "start": "01:38:20", "text": "participant observation research to to"}, {"end": "01:38:26", "start": "01:38:23", "text": "get back to you on that. Um but they do"}, {"end": "01:38:28", "start": "01:38:25", "text": "have sex with people, too. And I find"}, {"end": "01:38:30", "start": "01:38:26", "text": "that fascinating. Like Whitley describes"}, {"end": "01:38:32", "start": "01:38:28", "text": "a similar situation. she had to confront"}, {"end": "01:38:33", "start": "01:38:30", "text": "his wife Anne and be like, \"Hey, this"}, {"end": "01:38:35", "start": "01:38:32", "text": "thing happened.\" And you know, he said"}, {"end": "01:38:37", "start": "01:38:33", "text": "she was very understanding. But he"}, {"end": "01:38:39", "start": "01:38:35", "text": "describes that in his book Supernatural"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:37", "text": "that he co-authored with Jeff Karriel."}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:39", "text": "Um, so yeah, there are all these cases"}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "and I I wonder so much like why and it's"}, {"end": "01:38:51", "start": "01:38:46", "text": "got to just be a numbers thing cuz you"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "can't have sex with everybody that you"}, {"end": "01:38:56", "start": "01:38:51", "text": "male and female that you need to collect"}, {"end": "01:38:58", "start": "01:38:52", "text": "that material from. Um, some people"}, {"end": "01:39:01", "start": "01:38:56", "text": "probably obviously would be very against"}, {"end": "01:39:02", "start": "01:38:58", "text": "it. Most of them. I wouldn't say most,"}, {"end": "01:39:04", "start": "01:39:01", "text": "actually. I don't know. It's And and and"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:02", "text": "Whitley's really interesting because"}, {"end": "01:39:09", "start": "01:39:04", "text": "when he had the fecal sample taken, he"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "felt like he was raped. He used that"}, {"end": "01:39:14", "start": "01:39:09", "text": "word specifically. We have to bleep that"}, {"end": "01:39:16", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "for the algorithm or whatever,"}, {"end": "01:39:19", "start": "01:39:14", "text": "but it's true. But then he had this"}, {"end": "01:39:22", "start": "01:39:16", "text": "amazing sexual experience with this same"}, {"end": "01:39:24", "start": "01:39:19", "text": "female figure. and and not just because"}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:22", "text": "of that but all of these interactions he"}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:24", "text": "he completely changed the way he viewed"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "them and and welcomed that interaction"}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:28", "text": "one or more obviously Antonio vs Boas"}, {"end": "01:39:34", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "did too."}, {"end": "01:39:37", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "So it gets really hard we start talking"}, {"end": "01:39:39", "start": "01:39:34", "text": "about ethics and and morality and good"}, {"end": "01:39:42", "start": "01:39:37", "text": "and evil and some people's experiences"}, {"end": "01:39:44", "start": "01:39:39", "text": "are arguably bad but then they become"}, {"end": "01:39:46", "start": "01:39:42", "text": "good. It's like an onlogical shock thing"}, {"end": "01:39:48", "start": "01:39:44", "text": "that then they eventually normalize and"}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:46", "text": "can wrap their head around and then they"}, {"end": "01:39:51", "start": "01:39:48", "text": "want more cuz it's the only exciting"}, {"end": "01:39:53", "start": "01:39:49", "text": "thing left in their life and nothing"}, {"end": "01:39:56", "start": "01:39:51", "text": "else can can give them that level of of"}, {"end": "01:39:58", "start": "01:39:53", "text": "questioning and and and excitement. So"}, {"end": "01:40:01", "start": "01:39:56", "text": "it's it's a really nuanced phenomenon. I"}, {"end": "01:40:03", "start": "01:39:58", "text": "I gave a talk at the Lin Institute in"}, {"end": "01:40:06", "start": "01:40:01", "text": "2022 and one of the first questions was"}, {"end": "01:40:09", "start": "01:40:03", "text": "so should we assume there's no IRB"}, {"end": "01:40:11", "start": "01:40:06", "text": "protocols for future research which is"}, {"end": "01:40:12", "start": "01:40:09", "text": "an an internal review board. They look"}, {"end": "01:40:15", "start": "01:40:11", "text": "at all research and determine whether it"}, {"end": "01:40:18", "start": "01:40:12", "text": "will harm people, especially subjugated"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:15", "text": "groups, minorities, prisoners, children."}, {"end": "01:40:22", "start": "01:40:18", "text": "And I was like, yeah, I don't know."}, {"end": "01:40:24", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "That's a really good question. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:40:26", "start": "01:40:22", "text": "we don't question it when it comes to"}, {"end": "01:40:27", "start": "01:40:24", "text": "lower level."}, {"end": "01:40:28", "start": "01:40:26", "text": "We started to"}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:27", "text": "Well, yeah, we started to, but I mean,"}, {"end": "01:40:32", "start": "01:40:28", "text": "there's there's so like we, you know, we"}, {"end": "01:40:33", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "catch fish, tag them like there's all"}, {"end": "01:40:35", "start": "01:40:32", "text": "this like"}, {"end": "01:40:36", "start": "01:40:33", "text": "that's exactly what that would feel"}, {"end": "01:40:39", "start": "01:40:35", "text": "like, you know, being taken out of the"}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:36", "text": "water as a pregnant manta ray and being"}, {"end": "01:40:43", "start": "01:40:39", "text": "and filming it and then probing it and"}, {"end": "01:40:45", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "tagging it like what the heck said that"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:43", "text": "same thing. He felt like an animal on"}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:45", "text": "the Serengeti that was just picked up"}, {"end": "01:40:49", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "and dropped off and then Yeah. How do"}, {"end": "01:40:52", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "you go back and tell all your rhino"}, {"end": "01:40:53", "start": "01:40:49", "text": "friends what just happened to you? Yeah."}, {"end": "01:40:56", "start": "01:40:52", "text": "And and yeah, to communicate these"}, {"end": "01:40:57", "start": "01:40:53", "text": "things to a population who hasn't had"}, {"end": "01:40:59", "start": "01:40:56", "text": "that experience. Um"}, {"end": "01:41:00", "start": "01:40:57", "text": "and we justify it through it's for their"}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:59", "text": "own good."}, {"end": "01:41:03", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "Yeah. And for research, you know, we"}, {"end": "01:41:05", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "learn things. We're saving them. They're"}, {"end": "01:41:08", "start": "01:41:03", "text": "better off now. The whole ecosystem is"}, {"end": "01:41:11", "start": "01:41:05", "text": "better. And and that's the thing. It"}, {"end": "01:41:14", "start": "01:41:08", "text": "gets into the weeds of what ethics is,"}, {"end": "01:41:15", "start": "01:41:11", "text": "what good and bad is. And you know, some"}, {"end": "01:41:19", "start": "01:41:14", "text": "of the most heinous crimes that have"}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:15", "text": "happened in human history have been the"}, {"end": "01:41:25", "start": "01:41:19", "text": "the people who perpetrated those crimes"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:20", "text": "thought they were doing a good thing."}, {"end": "01:41:30", "start": "01:41:25", "text": "I I don't think there is such a thing as"}, {"end": "01:41:31", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "good and evil to be honest. Uh I I"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:30", "text": "really think so much of it's just"}, {"end": "01:41:40", "start": "01:41:31", "text": "perception"}, {"end": "01:41:42", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "based on your view looking out from ego"}, {"end": "01:41:43", "start": "01:41:40", "text": "or your group, your clan, your tribe,"}, {"end": "01:41:44", "start": "01:41:42", "text": "whatever."}, {"end": "01:41:46", "start": "01:41:43", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "01:41:46", "start": "01:41:44", "text": "especially if you can peer into time."}, {"end": "01:41:49", "start": "01:41:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:46", "text": "That would inform you more than anyone"}, {"end": "01:41:54", "start": "01:41:49", "text": "should be able to know. So you could be"}, {"end": "01:41:56", "start": "01:41:50", "text": "able to actually, you know, um"}, {"end": "01:41:59", "start": "01:41:54", "text": "objectively be like, \"No, this is good.\""}, {"end": "01:42:02", "start": "01:41:56", "text": "Right? the the downstream effects are"}, {"end": "01:42:04", "start": "01:41:59", "text": "good or bad. But again, it it comes down"}, {"end": "01:42:08", "start": "01:42:02", "text": "to your intentions. You know, what what"}, {"end": "01:42:09", "start": "01:42:04", "text": "do you see as a good result? You know,"}, {"end": "01:42:11", "start": "01:42:08", "text": "is that what everybody else wanted? How"}, {"end": "01:42:13", "start": "01:42:09", "text": "many people died by you getting that"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:11", "text": "good result? I don't know. And and"}, {"end": "01:42:17", "start": "01:42:13", "text": "honestly, we could blow that up into the"}, {"end": "01:42:22", "start": "01:42:15", "text": "macrocosm of what we're talking about"}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:17", "text": "here with the focus of these um"}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:22", "text": "visitors, whatever, whoever they are."}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "Getting to the why question again is why"}, {"end": "01:42:32", "start": "01:42:28", "text": "do they tell us over and over to take"}, {"end": "01:42:34", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "care of this planet? Take care of the"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:32", "text": "earth. Take care of the earth. John Mack"}, {"end": "01:42:39", "start": "01:42:34", "text": "saw that as the most common theme"}, {"end": "01:42:42", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "throughout the school kids get told that"}, {"end": "01:42:44", "start": "01:42:39", "text": "aerial school um number of cases. My"}, {"end": "01:42:47", "start": "01:42:42", "text": "second book I highlight you know what"}, {"end": "01:42:49", "start": "01:42:44", "text": "what is that priority?"}, {"end": "01:42:52", "start": "01:42:47", "text": "If they are future humans, it makes"}, {"end": "01:42:55", "start": "01:42:49", "text": "sense that they're safeguarding the"}, {"end": "01:42:58", "start": "01:42:52", "text": "planet that they're said to inherit. Um,"}, {"end": "01:42:59", "start": "01:42:55", "text": "why would extraterrestrials care? But"}, {"end": "01:43:01", "start": "01:42:58", "text": "then again, it gets down to this"}, {"end": "01:43:04", "start": "01:42:59", "text": "question of what's good and bad. Is it"}, {"end": "01:43:06", "start": "01:43:01", "text": "better for the planet? If we all nuke"}, {"end": "01:43:08", "start": "01:43:04", "text": "each other, and sure, the planet's"}, {"end": "01:43:11", "start": "01:43:06", "text": "harmed for a little bit, nature suffers,"}, {"end": "01:43:13", "start": "01:43:08", "text": "but it bounces back with fewer of the"}, {"end": "01:43:15", "start": "01:43:11", "text": "humans that were destroying it in the"}, {"end": "01:43:17", "start": "01:43:13", "text": "first place."}, {"end": "01:43:18", "start": "01:43:15", "text": "and and it you know it's it's"}, {"end": "01:43:20", "start": "01:43:17", "text": "inevitable. You can't escape that"}, {"end": "01:43:24", "start": "01:43:18", "text": "question. I've been forced to consider"}, {"end": "01:43:25", "start": "01:43:20", "text": "it a lot because people since I first"}, {"end": "01:43:27", "start": "01:43:24", "text": "started talking about this were like,"}, {"end": "01:43:29", "start": "01:43:25", "text": "\"Oh, this is great. Humans survive."}, {"end": "01:43:32", "start": "01:43:27", "text": "Humans survive. We go on.\" And"}, {"end": "01:43:36", "start": "01:43:29", "text": "I don't I don't know if it's necessarily"}, {"end": "01:43:38", "start": "01:43:32", "text": "that that rose tinted glassesy, you"}, {"end": "01:43:41", "start": "01:43:36", "text": "know, if you can make that an adjective."}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:38", "text": "I hope it is. I hope we figure [\u00a0__\u00a0] out"}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:41", "text": "and"}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:45", "text": "I don't know. I don't know if we will."}, {"end": "01:43:53", "start": "01:43:46", "text": "So, I consider both versions of that in"}, {"end": "01:43:55", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "the chapter. One of uh John Mack's uh"}, {"end": "01:43:57", "start": "01:43:53", "text": "patients, Jerry was her name, who was"}, {"end": "01:44:00", "start": "01:43:55", "text": "shown those classic pictures of the"}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:57", "text": "missiles and destruction and what does"}, {"end": "01:44:04", "start": "01:44:00", "text": "that mean in the context of the block"}, {"end": "01:44:06", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "universe and the many worlds"}, {"end": "01:44:08", "start": "01:44:04", "text": "interpretation? What does it mean in the"}, {"end": "01:44:10", "start": "01:44:06", "text": "context of branching timelines uh which"}, {"end": "01:44:12", "start": "01:44:08", "text": "was the focus of my third book,"}, {"end": "01:44:15", "start": "01:44:10", "text": "Revelation?"}, {"end": "01:44:18", "start": "01:44:12", "text": "um because that that theme is harder to"}, {"end": "01:44:21", "start": "01:44:15", "text": "explore in a scientific book than it is"}, {"end": "01:44:24", "start": "01:44:18", "text": "in a science fiction book. So I took"}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:21", "text": "that big question about a cataclysm and"}, {"end": "01:44:30", "start": "01:44:24", "text": "explored the different ways that would"}, {"end": "01:44:33", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "sort of manifest with future humans that"}, {"end": "01:44:35", "start": "01:44:30", "text": "both had the catastrophe and didn't have"}, {"end": "01:44:37", "start": "01:44:33", "text": "the catastrophe."}, {"end": "01:44:40", "start": "01:44:35", "text": "um what it would mean for these"}, {"end": "01:44:42", "start": "01:44:37", "text": "bifurcating timelines, how the you know"}, {"end": "01:44:43", "start": "01:44:40", "text": "the looking glass plays into it and"}, {"end": "01:44:47", "start": "01:44:42", "text": "things like that cuz I feel like"}, {"end": "01:44:49", "start": "01:44:43", "text": "especially now more than ever we need to"}, {"end": "01:44:52", "start": "01:44:47", "text": "consider those types of questions and"}, {"end": "01:44:54", "start": "01:44:49", "text": "doing it in a comical uh science fiction"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:52", "text": "capacity was a good way to explore those"}, {"end": "01:44:58", "start": "01:44:54", "text": "things um and still bring a lot of the"}, {"end": "01:45:00", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "science into it."}, {"end": "01:45:03", "start": "01:44:58", "text": "Yeah. And still broaden your worldview."}, {"end": "01:45:06", "start": "01:45:00", "text": "Yeah. and and and allow a different way"}, {"end": "01:45:08", "start": "01:45:03", "text": "of of promulgating this idea. Yep. You"}, {"end": "01:45:10", "start": "01:45:06", "text": "know, like like the the first book is"}, {"end": "01:45:12", "start": "01:45:08", "text": "pretty technical, very scientific."}, {"end": "01:45:15", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "Second book is storytelling basically"}, {"end": "01:45:17", "start": "01:45:12", "text": "that brings the science science in. The"}, {"end": "01:45:18", "start": "01:45:15", "text": "third book pure entertainment."}, {"end": "01:45:19", "start": "01:45:17", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:45:21", "start": "01:45:18", "text": "The most common adjective I've heard is"}, {"end": "01:45:23", "start": "01:45:19", "text": "hilarious. People think it's funny and"}, {"end": "01:45:25", "start": "01:45:21", "text": "it needs to be cuz it's esqueological as"}, {"end": "01:45:27", "start": "01:45:23", "text": "hell. You know, like it's about the end"}, {"end": "01:45:30", "start": "01:45:25", "text": "times and what that would look like for"}, {"end": "01:45:32", "start": "01:45:27", "text": "future humans. but also still brings the"}, {"end": "01:45:34", "start": "01:45:30", "text": "science in. So, it's for people that"}, {"end": "01:45:37", "start": "01:45:32", "text": "don't that maybe want to learn about"}, {"end": "01:45:38", "start": "01:45:34", "text": "this idea but don't really like science"}, {"end": "01:45:41", "start": "01:45:37", "text": "writing per se."}, {"end": "01:45:44", "start": "01:45:38", "text": "Yeah. And you know, we can we can get"}, {"end": "01:45:46", "start": "01:45:41", "text": "into a tangent, but you know, what part"}, {"end": "01:45:49", "start": "01:45:44", "text": "of that is actually"}, {"end": "01:45:51", "start": "01:45:46", "text": "potentially predictive? You know what I"}, {"end": "01:45:53", "start": "01:45:49", "text": "mean? Like when you tap into flow states"}, {"end": "01:45:53", "start": "01:45:51", "text": "when writing creatively."}, {"end": "01:45:56", "start": "01:45:53", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:45:58", "start": "01:45:53", "text": "What part of that is is in a future"}, {"end": "01:46:01", "start": "01:45:56", "text": "memory? You know how you know how in"}, {"end": "01:46:03", "start": "01:45:58", "text": "Amazon it has an AI summary of people's"}, {"end": "01:46:05", "start": "01:46:01", "text": "comments"}, {"end": "01:46:10", "start": "01:46:03", "text": "that's in the comments that one of the"}, {"end": "01:46:11", "start": "01:46:05", "text": "most um uh commonly described aspect of"}, {"end": "01:46:12", "start": "01:46:10", "text": "this book is people say it's channeled"}, {"end": "01:46:15", "start": "01:46:11", "text": "from the future."}, {"end": "01:46:17", "start": "01:46:12", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. It's hilarious seeing that"}, {"end": "01:46:20", "start": "01:46:15", "text": "in there cuz yeah when you enter that"}, {"end": "01:46:22", "start": "01:46:17", "text": "flow state and just write and and that's"}, {"end": "01:46:25", "start": "01:46:20", "text": "where this book came from. Yep. Like I I"}, {"end": "01:46:27", "start": "01:46:22", "text": "sat down one afternoon, wrote out the"}, {"end": "01:46:31", "start": "01:46:25", "text": "whole storyline, but then from that"}, {"end": "01:46:32", "start": "01:46:27", "text": "point on it was just flow state writing."}, {"end": "01:46:33", "start": "01:46:31", "text": "I honestly don't feel like I wrote most"}, {"end": "01:46:36", "start": "01:46:32", "text": "of it to be honest."}, {"end": "01:46:38", "start": "01:46:33", "text": "Well, that's interesting. Um, you know,"}, {"end": "01:46:39", "start": "01:46:36", "text": "this brings me to something I wanted to"}, {"end": "01:46:43", "start": "01:46:38", "text": "talk to you about and something you've"}, {"end": "01:46:45", "start": "01:46:39", "text": "talked about before. Um, about an"}, {"end": "01:46:45", "start": "01:46:43", "text": "interaction you had at a conference a"}, {"end": "01:46:46", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "few years ago."}, {"end": "01:46:49", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "Multiple interactions."}, {"end": "01:46:50", "start": "01:46:46", "text": "Yes. That one tends to get focused on"}, {"end": "01:46:52", "start": "01:46:49", "text": "the most because"}, {"end": "01:46:53", "start": "01:46:50", "text": "other people were involved."}, {"end": "01:46:54", "start": "01:46:52", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "01:46:58", "start": "01:46:53", "text": "Whether any of us wanted to be or not,"}, {"end": "01:47:00", "start": "01:46:54", "text": "we were um which tends to lend more"}, {"end": "01:47:01", "start": "01:46:58", "text": "credence to the reality of it."}, {"end": "01:47:02", "start": "01:47:00", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "01:47:04", "start": "01:47:01", "text": "Not just the other two people that were"}, {"end": "01:47:06", "start": "01:47:02", "text": "involved, but multiple people"}, {"end": "01:47:10", "start": "01:47:04", "text": "in the environment where it happened"}, {"end": "01:47:16", "start": "01:47:06", "text": "witnessed it and saw the weirdness that"}, {"end": "01:47:20", "start": "01:47:10", "text": "was taking place. But that was one of"}, {"end": "01:47:24", "start": "01:47:16", "text": "four things that happened"}, {"end": "01:47:27", "start": "01:47:20", "text": "prior and multiple that happened since."}, {"end": "01:47:32", "start": "01:47:24", "text": "It was kind of the one that was much"}, {"end": "01:47:35", "start": "01:47:27", "text": "more tangible for both me and"}, {"end": "01:47:38", "start": "01:47:32", "text": "uh others,"}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "but wasn't the only one by any means."}, {"end": "01:47:43", "start": "01:47:38", "text": "Okay. Can is there um can we get into"}, {"end": "01:47:45", "start": "01:47:42", "text": "this one and then move into the because"}, {"end": "01:47:48", "start": "01:47:43", "text": "I'm really really fascinated by this,"}, {"end": "01:47:50", "start": "01:47:45", "text": "Michael, and I think my audience would"}, {"end": "01:47:50", "start": "01:47:48", "text": "really appreciate um running through"}, {"end": "01:47:53", "start": "01:47:50", "text": "this if that's something you're"}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:50", "text": "comfortable with. Oh yeah. No, it's not"}, {"end": "01:47:58", "start": "01:47:53", "text": "it's not something I mean it was hard to"}, {"end": "01:48:01", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "talk about at first. Um"}, {"end": "01:48:04", "start": "01:47:58", "text": "it it's not it's not hard to talk about"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:01", "text": "and it's not uncomfortable."}, {"end": "01:48:08", "start": "01:48:04", "text": "It's just uh"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "high strangeness. Yeah, it's weird, you"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:08", "text": "know, but we kind of already dipped our"}, {"end": "01:48:11", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "toe in that."}, {"end": "01:48:14", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "Dude, I'm all about it"}, {"end": "01:48:15", "start": "01:48:11", "text": "earlier. So, it's basically revisiting"}, {"end": "01:48:18", "start": "01:48:14", "text": "the woo."}, {"end": "01:48:21", "start": "01:48:15", "text": "I'm totally and and you know,"}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:18", "text": "I mean, if we can't connect the woo to"}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:21", "text": "nuts and bolts, then what are we here"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "for?"}, {"end": "01:48:26", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "That's a really good point. Yeah, cuz"}, {"end": "01:48:28", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "it's very much related."}, {"end": "01:48:30", "start": "01:48:26", "text": "Yeah. Um, and and you know, that's a"}, {"end": "01:48:34", "start": "01:48:28", "text": "good jumping off point because where"}, {"end": "01:48:37", "start": "01:48:30", "text": "this started for me, uh, where the high"}, {"end": "01:48:42", "start": "01:48:34", "text": "strangeness began,"}, {"end": "01:48:42", "start": "01:48:37", "text": "uh, is is with a UFO encounter,"}, {"end": "01:48:47", "start": "01:48:42", "text": "not really all that impressive or cool."}, {"end": "01:48:48", "start": "01:48:44", "text": "I didn't go get to go into one and see"}, {"end": "01:48:51", "start": "01:48:47", "text": "Ryan Reynolds butthole or anything, but"}, {"end": "01:48:53", "start": "01:48:48", "text": "there were five UFOs."}, {"end": "01:48:57", "start": "01:48:51", "text": "I was kind of called out to look at them"}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:53", "text": "and then they flew off at high speed and"}, {"end": "01:49:01", "start": "01:48:57", "text": "then I went inside. Didn't really think"}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "a lot about it. I thought it was"}, {"end": "01:49:04", "start": "01:49:01", "text": "Starlink actually and then I saw"}, {"end": "01:49:06", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "Starlink a lot and realized it was"}, {"end": "01:49:09", "start": "01:49:04", "text": "definitely not Starlink."}, {"end": "01:49:10", "start": "01:49:06", "text": "Um, when you say you were called out,"}, {"end": "01:49:14", "start": "01:49:09", "text": "what do you mean exactly?"}, {"end": "01:49:16", "start": "01:49:10", "text": "I felt I didn't hear any voices or"}, {"end": "01:49:21", "start": "01:49:14", "text": "anything. I just felt compelled to walk"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:16", "text": "out um my door and up the canyon uh"}, {"end": "01:49:26", "start": "01:49:21", "text": "hill. It's like a canyon wall, but it's"}, {"end": "01:49:29", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "not like a sheer cliff or anything. Um"}, {"end": "01:49:31", "start": "01:49:26", "text": "to a place I I just I could see clearly"}, {"end": "01:49:33", "start": "01:49:29", "text": "where these five lights were, but it"}, {"end": "01:49:35", "start": "01:49:31", "text": "wasn't like,"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:33", "text": "you know, I I say compelled. It wasn't"}, {"end": "01:49:39", "start": "01:49:35", "text": "like I was instructed or anything, but"}, {"end": "01:49:40", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "there's there's really no reason I would"}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:39", "text": "just walk out there"}, {"end": "01:49:45", "start": "01:49:40", "text": "at that. It was like 12:30 in the"}, {"end": "01:49:49", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "morning. it was at night. Um, saw these"}, {"end": "01:49:52", "start": "01:49:45", "text": "five UFOs. I I think it was late 2021,"}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:49", "text": "maybe fall of 2021 when that happened."}, {"end": "01:49:58", "start": "01:49:52", "text": "And then, um,"}, {"end": "01:50:02", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "probably March of 2022."}, {"end": "01:50:04", "start": "01:49:58", "text": "I so so actually you know this this"}, {"end": "01:50:06", "start": "01:50:02", "text": "connects a couple different woo things"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:04", "text": "cuz you and I at breakfast were talking"}, {"end": "01:50:14", "start": "01:50:06", "text": "about out-of- body experiences"}, {"end": "01:50:16", "start": "01:50:09", "text": "and ever since this balcony experience"}, {"end": "01:50:18", "start": "01:50:14", "text": "again I am going to answer that question"}, {"end": "01:50:19", "start": "01:50:16", "text": "but there there are some important bits"}, {"end": "01:50:22", "start": "01:50:18", "text": "of information that I think help"}, {"end": "01:50:26", "start": "01:50:19", "text": "contextualize that"}, {"end": "01:50:29", "start": "01:50:22", "text": "prior to that day where I was fully out"}, {"end": "01:50:32", "start": "01:50:26", "text": "of my body is the first time I'd really"}, {"end": "01:50:36", "start": "01:50:29", "text": "experienced that. Um, since then it's"}, {"end": "01:50:39", "start": "01:50:32", "text": "become very common. I can leave my body"}, {"end": "01:50:43", "start": "01:50:36", "text": "with the right protocols and I do it"}, {"end": "01:50:46", "start": "01:50:39", "text": "enough when I need to, but I don't do it"}, {"end": "01:50:48", "start": "01:50:43", "text": "too much that it creates a separation"}, {"end": "01:50:51", "start": "01:50:46", "text": "between these two realities. I really do"}, {"end": "01:50:54", "start": "01:50:48", "text": "think where we go when we leave these"}, {"end": "01:50:58", "start": "01:50:51", "text": "bodies is sort of the same place that"}, {"end": "01:50:59", "start": "01:50:54", "text": "people come from, where they return to,"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:58", "text": "where they visit and near-death"}, {"end": "01:51:03", "start": "01:50:59", "text": "experiences,"}, {"end": "01:51:06", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "maybe where we all go every night when"}, {"end": "01:51:09", "start": "01:51:03", "text": "we dream, including squirrels and"}, {"end": "01:51:13", "start": "01:51:06", "text": "rabbits and and everything. Um I I think"}, {"end": "01:51:16", "start": "01:51:09", "text": "it is this physical body that we exist"}, {"end": "01:51:20", "start": "01:51:13", "text": "in creates a filter that we need in"}, {"end": "01:51:22", "start": "01:51:16", "text": "place to exist in this reality. But that"}, {"end": "01:51:24", "start": "01:51:20", "text": "filter can be lowered in multiple"}, {"end": "01:51:27", "start": "01:51:22", "text": "different ways. Psychedelic drugs are a"}, {"end": "01:51:30", "start": "01:51:24", "text": "good example. But leaving your body is"}, {"end": "01:51:32", "start": "01:51:27", "text": "one of these experiences. And that's the"}, {"end": "01:51:34", "start": "01:51:30", "text": "first time that happened to me. And"}, {"end": "01:51:36", "start": "01:51:32", "text": "since then, like once the separation"}, {"end": "01:51:37", "start": "01:51:34", "text": "occurs, you sort of have more control"}, {"end": "01:51:39", "start": "01:51:36", "text": "over it. I didn't. and I was taken out"}, {"end": "01:51:42", "start": "01:51:37", "text": "of my body by these entities on that"}, {"end": "01:51:46", "start": "01:51:39", "text": "balcony that night. Um, and was able to"}, {"end": "01:51:49", "start": "01:51:42", "text": "see with epic clarity all of the things"}, {"end": "01:51:52", "start": "01:51:46", "text": "that were hidden to me as a reductionist"}, {"end": "01:51:54", "start": "01:51:49", "text": "materialist"}, {"end": "01:51:58", "start": "01:51:52", "text": "doing this research about UFOs."}, {"end": "01:51:59", "start": "01:51:54", "text": "that according to them, the reason they"}, {"end": "01:52:02", "start": "01:51:58", "text": "showed up was because I was going to"}, {"end": "01:52:05", "start": "01:51:59", "text": "quit doing it. You know, sit sitting in"}, {"end": "01:52:07", "start": "01:52:02", "text": "a hot airplane for 3 hours on the runway"}, {"end": "01:52:09", "start": "01:52:05", "text": "with no escape. You know, you live"}, {"end": "01:52:11", "start": "01:52:07", "text": "enough of those experiences, you're"}, {"end": "01:52:14", "start": "01:52:09", "text": "like, \"Oh, what am I doing?\" So, I was I"}, {"end": "01:52:19", "start": "01:52:11", "text": "was full on wanting to quit doing any of"}, {"end": "01:52:22", "start": "01:52:14", "text": "these types of um"}, {"end": "01:52:24", "start": "01:52:19", "text": "the these types of interviews, but not"}, {"end": "01:52:26", "start": "01:52:22", "text": "not even that, just the whole thing. You"}, {"end": "01:52:27", "start": "01:52:24", "text": "know, we've all been there. I know you"}, {"end": "01:52:29", "start": "01:52:26", "text": "have, too."}, {"end": "01:52:30", "start": "01:52:27", "text": "Everybody I've talked to that researches"}, {"end": "01:52:31", "start": "01:52:29", "text": "this has always"}, {"end": "01:52:33", "start": "01:52:30", "text": "had at least one time where they're"}, {"end": "01:52:35", "start": "01:52:31", "text": "like, \"Oh my god, it's just it's too"}, {"end": "01:52:40", "start": "01:52:33", "text": "much for whatever reason.\" You know? So,"}, {"end": "01:52:42", "start": "01:52:35", "text": "not long after that UFO encounter, um, I"}, {"end": "01:52:45", "start": "01:52:40", "text": "had this experience where I felt like I"}, {"end": "01:52:47", "start": "01:52:42", "text": "was communicating with a light. And the"}, {"end": "01:52:49", "start": "01:52:45", "text": "reason I bring up the out-of body thing"}, {"end": "01:52:51", "start": "01:52:47", "text": "is because there's these various"}, {"end": "01:52:57", "start": "01:52:49", "text": "protocols"}, {"end": "01:53:00", "start": "01:52:51", "text": "that I employ to achieve that out-ofbody"}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:57", "text": "experience. And the common thread that"}, {"end": "01:53:05", "start": "01:53:00", "text": "I've noticed is light."}, {"end": "01:53:08", "start": "01:53:03", "text": "Um, and this was my first interaction"}, {"end": "01:53:11", "start": "01:53:05", "text": "with light. You know, I I remember as a"}, {"end": "01:53:13", "start": "01:53:08", "text": "kid I was raised to like, you know,"}, {"end": "01:53:14", "start": "01:53:11", "text": "divert thine eyes, don't look at the"}, {"end": "01:53:16", "start": "01:53:13", "text": "light, but also we're supposed to be"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:14", "text": "seeking the light and seeking"}, {"end": "01:53:20", "start": "01:53:16", "text": "enlightenment. And in the beginning,"}, {"end": "01:53:22", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "there was light. Like clearly light to"}, {"end": "01:53:23", "start": "01:53:20", "text": "to circle back to the earlier part of"}, {"end": "01:53:25", "start": "01:53:22", "text": "our conversation, I think it's kind of"}, {"end": "01:53:27", "start": "01:53:23", "text": "fundamental to everything. I think"}, {"end": "01:53:28", "start": "01:53:25", "text": "consciousness"}, {"end": "01:53:31", "start": "01:53:27", "text": "exists in light or light is"}, {"end": "01:53:35", "start": "01:53:28", "text": "consciousness somehow and this physical"}, {"end": "01:53:38", "start": "01:53:31", "text": "world grows out of that. Um"}, {"end": "01:53:40", "start": "01:53:35", "text": "it would probably be much easier if I"}, {"end": "01:53:42", "start": "01:53:38", "text": "just told you about these things and"}, {"end": "01:53:46", "start": "01:53:40", "text": "stopped trying to interject my own"}, {"end": "01:53:49", "start": "01:53:42", "text": "analysis. So Cliffnotes version I saw"}, {"end": "01:53:52", "start": "01:53:46", "text": "the five UFOs. I had this telepathic"}, {"end": "01:53:54", "start": "01:53:49", "text": "interaction with these entities. I don't"}, {"end": "01:53:56", "start": "01:53:52", "text": "know what they are. I didn't know what"}, {"end": "01:53:57", "start": "01:53:54", "text": "they were then. I still don't know what"}, {"end": "01:53:59", "start": "01:53:56", "text": "they are. Where did that happen? That"}, {"end": "01:54:01", "start": "01:53:57", "text": "happened in my front yard. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:54:05", "start": "01:53:59", "text": "apparently a lot of these things are"}, {"end": "01:54:07", "start": "01:54:01", "text": "related to where I live, but it's a a"}, {"end": "01:54:10", "start": "01:54:05", "text": "bright light in my neighbor's yard, like"}, {"end": "01:54:13", "start": "01:54:07", "text": "a security light. And I was just out um"}, {"end": "01:54:15", "start": "01:54:10", "text": "I think I was getting ready"}, {"end": "01:54:16", "start": "01:54:13", "text": "for a ski trip or something. It was"}, {"end": "01:54:20", "start": "01:54:15", "text": "February or March, but it was right"}, {"end": "01:54:22", "start": "01:54:16", "text": "before I was going to this conference at"}, {"end": "01:54:25", "start": "01:54:20", "text": "Rice University."}, {"end": "01:54:30", "start": "01:54:22", "text": "And it it was, you know, telepathic"}, {"end": "01:54:32", "start": "01:54:25", "text": "conversation. I I was having an actual"}, {"end": "01:54:34", "start": "01:54:30", "text": "conversation and then afterwards was"}, {"end": "01:54:35", "start": "01:54:32", "text": "like, \"No, I wasn't having a"}, {"end": "01:54:37", "start": "01:54:34", "text": "conversation.\""}, {"end": "01:54:38", "start": "01:54:35", "text": "So there was a light present. You were"}, {"end": "01:54:39", "start": "01:54:37", "text": "observing a light."}, {"end": "01:54:40", "start": "01:54:38", "text": "I just looked at it."}, {"end": "01:54:42", "start": "01:54:39", "text": "You just looked at it."}, {"end": "01:54:45", "start": "01:54:40", "text": "I looked directly into that light and"}, {"end": "01:54:48", "start": "01:54:42", "text": "just stared at it for a little bit."}, {"end": "01:54:49", "start": "01:54:45", "text": "And you you felt a telepathic exchange"}, {"end": "01:54:51", "start": "01:54:48", "text": "and heard words."}, {"end": "01:54:52", "start": "01:54:49", "text": "You heard words like a language. It was"}, {"end": "01:54:54", "start": "01:54:51", "text": "back and forth."}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:52", "text": "Male or female?"}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:54", "text": "Hard to tell."}, {"end": "01:54:57", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "Yeah, I don't."}, {"end": "01:55:01", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "Okay,"}, {"end": "01:55:03", "start": "01:54:57", "text": "it's a good question. Um"}, {"end": "01:55:06", "start": "01:55:01", "text": "I I don't think I can say to be honest."}, {"end": "01:55:10", "start": "01:55:03", "text": "Okay. And what exactly was exchanged?"}, {"end": "01:55:11", "start": "01:55:06", "text": "Um it was mostly about my anxieties. It"}, {"end": "01:55:13", "start": "01:55:10", "text": "was this was right before I was wanting"}, {"end": "01:55:14", "start": "01:55:11", "text": "to quit everything, but it was that same"}, {"end": "01:55:16", "start": "01:55:13", "text": "year."}, {"end": "01:55:19", "start": "01:55:14", "text": "Sure. And a lot of it was anxieties, not"}, {"end": "01:55:22", "start": "01:55:16", "text": "just about traveling, but leaving my"}, {"end": "01:55:25", "start": "01:55:19", "text": "family and, you know, going to do all of"}, {"end": "01:55:28", "start": "01:55:22", "text": "these things that take me away from them"}, {"end": "01:55:30", "start": "01:55:25", "text": "and my job and like just the anxiety"}, {"end": "01:55:32", "start": "01:55:28", "text": "associated with safety, well-being,"}, {"end": "01:55:34", "start": "01:55:30", "text": "being present for my children, not"}, {"end": "01:55:36", "start": "01:55:32", "text": "wanting to be gone so much cuz I was"}, {"end": "01:55:39", "start": "01:55:34", "text": "gone a lot. I had to be, you know, I"}, {"end": "01:55:42", "start": "01:55:36", "text": "felt like I had to be to do all of these"}, {"end": "01:55:45", "start": "01:55:39", "text": "things. So it was kind of like a a cry"}, {"end": "01:55:48", "start": "01:55:42", "text": "for help, like a seeking reassurance."}, {"end": "01:55:49", "start": "01:55:45", "text": "That reassurance was given to me in this"}, {"end": "01:55:52", "start": "01:55:48", "text": "conversation."}, {"end": "01:55:54", "start": "01:55:49", "text": "Problem was the next day I just assumed"}, {"end": "01:55:56", "start": "01:55:52", "text": "I made it all up in my head, which"}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:54", "text": "naturally people would. Telepathy is not"}, {"end": "01:56:02", "start": "01:55:56", "text": "real. You know, I was I was sort of"}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "starting to to move away from actually"}, {"end": "01:56:08", "start": "01:56:02", "text": "later uh that same summer in July of"}, {"end": "01:56:09", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "2022, I gave a talk at Esen and opened"}, {"end": "01:56:12", "start": "01:56:08", "text": "my talk with, \"Hi, my name's Mike."}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:09", "text": "become a recovering materialist cuz at"}, {"end": "01:56:16", "start": "01:56:12", "text": "the Esin Institute very few"}, {"end": "01:56:17", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "materialistic people there you know with"}, {"end": "01:56:20", "start": "01:56:16", "text": "that mentality."}, {"end": "01:56:22", "start": "01:56:17", "text": "Um but I was already kind of starting to"}, {"end": "01:56:25", "start": "01:56:20", "text": "move in that direction. The reason I'm"}, {"end": "01:56:28", "start": "01:56:22", "text": "harping on this light and that"}, {"end": "01:56:30", "start": "01:56:25", "text": "experience for so long is because what I"}, {"end": "01:56:32", "start": "01:56:28", "text": "found later and we can get into this if"}, {"end": "01:56:35", "start": "01:56:30", "text": "you want is light seems to be at the"}, {"end": "01:56:37", "start": "01:56:32", "text": "root of all of it. And I don't think"}, {"end": "01:56:41", "start": "01:56:35", "text": "just for me personally, like if you look"}, {"end": "01:56:45", "start": "01:56:37", "text": "back at a lot of descriptions of sort of"}, {"end": "01:56:47", "start": "01:56:41", "text": "really intense events, interactions,"}, {"end": "01:56:49", "start": "01:56:45", "text": "um,"}, {"end": "01:56:51", "start": "01:56:47", "text": "light seems to be involved, you know,"}, {"end": "01:56:53", "start": "01:56:49", "text": "light seems to be involved in this UFO"}, {"end": "01:56:55", "start": "01:56:51", "text": "thing too in the way they manipulate"}, {"end": "01:56:59", "start": "01:56:53", "text": "time and space. Like light, a photon is"}, {"end": "01:57:02", "start": "01:56:55", "text": "timeless entity. Um Eric Wargo talks"}, {"end": "01:57:05", "start": "01:56:59", "text": "about how you know in in the Genan"}, {"end": "01:57:07", "start": "01:57:02", "text": "experiment the uh the delayed choice"}, {"end": "01:57:10", "start": "01:57:05", "text": "Wheeler's delayed choice experiment the"}, {"end": "01:57:12", "start": "01:57:07", "text": "photon the electron it the it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:57:15", "start": "01:57:10", "text": "seem to care whether you open or close"}, {"end": "01:57:21", "start": "01:57:12", "text": "that slit before or after it's it's"}, {"end": "01:57:23", "start": "01:57:15", "text": "timeless and I think you know we"}, {"end": "01:57:26", "start": "01:57:21", "text": "God I don't know it's so hard to like"}, {"end": "01:57:28", "start": "01:57:23", "text": "give this this holistic description of"}, {"end": "01:57:31", "start": "01:57:26", "text": "what happened because it all seems to be"}, {"end": "01:57:34", "start": "01:57:28", "text": "related to all of it in different ways"}, {"end": "01:57:37", "start": "01:57:31", "text": "and I'm just recently starting to see"}, {"end": "01:57:39", "start": "01:57:34", "text": "the entire picture more clearly over the"}, {"end": "01:57:40", "start": "01:57:37", "text": "last 6 months"}, {"end": "01:57:43", "start": "01:57:39", "text": "but then I try to articulate it sounds"}, {"end": "01:57:45", "start": "01:57:40", "text": "like absolute gibberish so I I apologize"}, {"end": "01:57:47", "start": "01:57:43", "text": "I apologize to you I apologize to your"}, {"end": "01:57:49", "start": "01:57:45", "text": "viewers no need to apologize"}, {"end": "01:57:51", "start": "01:57:47", "text": "I will try to keep a train of thought at"}, {"end": "01:57:51", "start": "01:57:49", "text": "least to have a timeline"}, {"end": "01:57:53", "start": "01:57:51", "text": "sure"}, {"end": "01:57:55", "start": "01:57:51", "text": "because I feel like that would be useful"}, {"end": "01:57:56", "start": "01:57:53", "text": "and if you want just cut it right here"}, {"end": "01:57:58", "start": "01:57:55", "text": "I'm not going to cut"}, {"end": "01:57:59", "start": "01:57:56", "text": "Stick it back there so at least people"}, {"end": "01:58:01", "start": "01:57:58", "text": "can follow what the hell I'm saying."}, {"end": "01:58:03", "start": "01:57:59", "text": "They're following just fine."}, {"end": "01:58:06", "start": "01:58:01", "text": "Saw the five UFOs"}, {"end": "01:58:08", "start": "01:58:03", "text": "uh late 2021, early 2022, but it was"}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:06", "text": "warm. I remember it being warm. I had a"}, {"end": "01:58:14", "start": "01:58:08", "text": "a glass of whiskey looking up. It was"}, {"end": "01:58:16", "start": "01:58:10", "text": "probably fall time, so fall of 21. Um"}, {"end": "01:58:18", "start": "01:58:14", "text": "February or March of 22, right before"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:16", "text": "the opening of the Archives of the"}, {"end": "01:58:22", "start": "01:58:18", "text": "Impossible conference at Rice, I had"}, {"end": "01:58:24", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "this telepathic interaction with this"}, {"end": "01:58:28", "start": "01:58:22", "text": "light. I went to Rice. amazing"}, {"end": "01:58:32", "start": "01:58:24", "text": "experience. Um went to Eselin that"}, {"end": "01:58:34", "start": "01:58:28", "text": "summer and then that fall of 2022"}, {"end": "01:58:37", "start": "01:58:32", "text": "is when I gave a talk at the"}, {"end": "01:58:39", "start": "01:58:34", "text": "International UFO Congress in Mesa,"}, {"end": "01:58:41", "start": "01:58:37", "text": "Arizona. I just call it all Phoenix cuz"}, {"end": "01:58:43", "start": "01:58:39", "text": "I don't know the suburbs that well. And"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:41", "text": "yeah, in that particular instance, I was"}, {"end": "01:58:51", "start": "01:58:43", "text": "taken up to a room"}, {"end": "01:58:54", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "uh taken to a balcony."}, {"end": "01:58:57", "start": "01:58:51", "text": "A stranger comes out, puts his chair"}, {"end": "01:59:01", "start": "01:58:54", "text": "right up against mine, face to face, uh,"}, {"end": "01:59:05", "start": "01:58:57", "text": "slides his leg between my legs. Again,"}, {"end": "01:59:07", "start": "01:59:01", "text": "complete stranger. And then tells me,"}, {"end": "01:59:09", "start": "01:59:05", "text": "uh, we know you've been thinking about"}, {"end": "01:59:11", "start": "01:59:07", "text": "quitting lately and we'd prefer you not"}, {"end": "01:59:14", "start": "01:59:09", "text": "do that. Which, as I mentioned earlier,"}, {"end": "01:59:16", "start": "01:59:11", "text": "was something I had wanted to do."}, {"end": "01:59:17", "start": "01:59:14", "text": "Problem is, I didn't tell anybody that."}, {"end": "01:59:19", "start": "01:59:16", "text": "That was just a thought in my head when"}, {"end": "01:59:21", "start": "01:59:17", "text": "I was washing dishes about two weeks"}, {"end": "01:59:23", "start": "01:59:19", "text": "before this conference. I was just"}, {"end": "01:59:25", "start": "01:59:21", "text": "standing there. I was like, I'm done."}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:23", "text": "It's just too much. I need to be home. I"}, {"end": "01:59:29", "start": "01:59:25", "text": "need to be with my family. I'm sick of"}, {"end": "01:59:31", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "all of the pains of traveling and"}, {"end": "01:59:33", "start": "01:59:29", "text": "preparing talks and doing these talks."}, {"end": "01:59:35", "start": "01:59:31", "text": "So, I just decided I would do this"}, {"end": "01:59:38", "start": "01:59:33", "text": "conference and dip out."}, {"end": "01:59:41", "start": "01:59:35", "text": "So, to have a complete stranger come up"}, {"end": "01:59:43", "start": "01:59:38", "text": "and tell me that"}, {"end": "01:59:45", "start": "01:59:41", "text": "shook me to my core. obviously, you"}, {"end": "01:59:46", "start": "01:59:43", "text": "know, like that's not like how how could"}, {"end": "01:59:48", "start": "01:59:45", "text": "you know that?"}, {"end": "01:59:49", "start": "01:59:46", "text": "And and this is where it's really"}, {"end": "01:59:51", "start": "01:59:48", "text": "important to stress this and I haven't"}, {"end": "01:59:54", "start": "01:59:49", "text": "done this enough and I apologize"}, {"end": "01:59:57", "start": "01:59:51", "text": "for people. Well, I also still don't"}, {"end": "01:59:58", "start": "01:59:54", "text": "know what's going on, but I didn't know"}, {"end": "02:00:02", "start": "01:59:57", "text": "the first time I started talking about"}, {"end": "02:00:05", "start": "01:59:58", "text": "this uh with Jesse, Jesse Michaels,"}, {"end": "02:00:07", "start": "02:00:02", "text": "who that individual was. I had no way of"}, {"end": "02:00:09", "start": "02:00:05", "text": "knowing. It was a complete stranger to"}, {"end": "02:00:13", "start": "02:00:07", "text": "me. Um, but I have learned things since"}, {"end": "02:00:15", "start": "02:00:09", "text": "that allow me to frame that conversation"}, {"end": "02:00:18", "start": "02:00:13", "text": "more. And not just because I've gotten"}, {"end": "02:00:20", "start": "02:00:15", "text": "to know that individual,"}, {"end": "02:00:21", "start": "02:00:18", "text": "um, but because of a number of other"}, {"end": "02:00:23", "start": "02:00:20", "text": "things that have continued to happen"}, {"end": "02:00:26", "start": "02:00:21", "text": "with the same entities that were"}, {"end": "02:00:28", "start": "02:00:23", "text": "speaking through this individual that"}, {"end": "02:00:30", "start": "02:00:26", "text": "night. So, this individual was"}, {"end": "02:00:32", "start": "02:00:28", "text": "channeled. There was there was a chneled"}, {"end": "02:00:34", "start": "02:00:30", "text": "entity coming through this individual"}, {"end": "02:00:36", "start": "02:00:32", "text": "who you didn't know prior who was a"}, {"end": "02:00:39", "start": "02:00:34", "text": "complete stranger to you who you now"}, {"end": "02:00:41", "start": "02:00:36", "text": "have come to know the the the body of"}, {"end": "02:00:44", "start": "02:00:39", "text": "the of the entity in which it inhabited"}, {"end": "02:00:46", "start": "02:00:41", "text": "the the person you know this person now."}, {"end": "02:00:47", "start": "02:00:44", "text": "Yeah. And and he doesn't like the word"}, {"end": "02:00:47", "start": "02:00:46", "text": "channel."}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:47", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:47", "text": "I don't either. But I don't we run into"}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "so many limitations with our language."}, {"end": "02:00:56", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:00:59", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "Um deep trans mediumship is one I've"}, {"end": "02:01:00", "start": "02:00:56", "text": "seen. Um but yeah that's something"}, {"end": "02:01:02", "start": "02:00:59", "text": "speaking through him and not just"}, {"end": "02:01:05", "start": "02:01:00", "text": "something Chris this is the important"}, {"end": "02:01:08", "start": "02:01:02", "text": "part it was the same entities"}, {"end": "02:01:09", "start": "02:01:05", "text": "that I was talking to before that Rice"}, {"end": "02:01:13", "start": "02:01:08", "text": "University"}, {"end": "02:01:17", "start": "02:01:09", "text": "um conference and whom I have had"}, {"end": "02:01:20", "start": "02:01:13", "text": "multiple interactions with since"}, {"end": "02:01:23", "start": "02:01:17", "text": "that one was definitely the most um"}, {"end": "02:01:26", "start": "02:01:20", "text": "impactful because"}, {"end": "02:01:28", "start": "02:01:23", "text": "it was an intervention"}, {"end": "02:01:30", "start": "02:01:26", "text": "not just because"}, {"end": "02:01:34", "start": "02:01:28", "text": "um I I wanted to quit. They very"}, {"end": "02:01:36", "start": "02:01:30", "text": "politely asked me not to. Um that was"}, {"end": "02:01:38", "start": "02:01:34", "text": "yeah that that was the very first thing"}, {"end": "02:01:39", "start": "02:01:36", "text": "is we know you've been thinking about"}, {"end": "02:01:41", "start": "02:01:38", "text": "quitting lately. We'd prefer you not do"}, {"end": "02:01:43", "start": "02:01:39", "text": "that yet. So they politely asked me to"}, {"end": "02:01:45", "start": "02:01:41", "text": "not do this thing that I had only"}, {"end": "02:01:47", "start": "02:01:43", "text": "thought in my mind while washing dishes."}, {"end": "02:01:49", "start": "02:01:45", "text": "I wasn't looking at that light that"}, {"end": "02:01:51", "start": "02:01:47", "text": "time. I was just minding my own business"}, {"end": "02:01:53", "start": "02:01:49", "text": "washing my dishes. But they referenced"}, {"end": "02:01:56", "start": "02:01:51", "text": "that thought specifically through this"}, {"end": "02:01:58", "start": "02:01:53", "text": "individual. The individual was Yes. a"}, {"end": "02:02:01", "start": "02:01:56", "text": "conduit of sorts."}, {"end": "02:02:04", "start": "02:01:58", "text": "I I I think it's hard because it takes"}, {"end": "02:02:05", "start": "02:02:01", "text": "some of the agency away. Like he is a"}, {"end": "02:02:05", "start": "02:02:04", "text": "person."}, {"end": "02:02:07", "start": "02:02:05", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:02:09", "start": "02:02:05", "text": "He was there. Heidi was a person. She"}, {"end": "02:02:13", "start": "02:02:07", "text": "was there. But there was some sort of"}, {"end": "02:02:15", "start": "02:02:09", "text": "interaction taking place with a high"}, {"end": "02:02:18", "start": "02:02:13", "text": "intelligence that has the ability to"}, {"end": "02:02:20", "start": "02:02:15", "text": "speak through other individuals"}, {"end": "02:02:22", "start": "02:02:18", "text": "and through light. And it was the same"}, {"end": "02:02:24", "start": "02:02:20", "text": "ones. And I know that because they"}, {"end": "02:02:26", "start": "02:02:22", "text": "referenced that conversation we had"}, {"end": "02:02:28", "start": "02:02:24", "text": "early in in March before I went to that"}, {"end": "02:02:30", "start": "02:02:26", "text": "conference. That's how I know it was the"}, {"end": "02:02:33", "start": "02:02:28", "text": "same entities. And I've I've come to"}, {"end": "02:02:34", "start": "02:02:30", "text": "realize that it's always these same"}, {"end": "02:02:38", "start": "02:02:33", "text": "entities."}, {"end": "02:02:40", "start": "02:02:34", "text": "Okay. So I'm forgive me for wanting to"}, {"end": "02:02:42", "start": "02:02:38", "text": "be hyper granular on this, but it is"}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:40", "text": "something that I am like and I'm sure"}, {"end": "02:02:48", "start": "02:02:42", "text": "I'm not alone. It's it's very"}, {"end": "02:02:50", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "fascinating. Um, so these individuals,"}, {"end": "02:02:51", "start": "02:02:48", "text": "you you got approached by this one"}, {"end": "02:02:53", "start": "02:02:50", "text": "individual, but there was a second"}, {"end": "02:02:53", "start": "02:02:51", "text": "individual that was there as well. You"}, {"end": "02:02:55", "start": "02:02:53", "text": "referenced Heidi."}, {"end": "02:02:56", "start": "02:02:53", "text": "Well, Heidi was the one that took me up"}, {"end": "02:02:58", "start": "02:02:55", "text": "there in the first place."}, {"end": "02:03:01", "start": "02:02:56", "text": "She took you up to the balcony"}, {"end": "02:03:03", "start": "02:02:58", "text": "specifically to meet this gentleman."}, {"end": "02:03:04", "start": "02:03:01", "text": "Uh, she knew that at the time."}, {"end": "02:03:06", "start": "02:03:03", "text": "She knew that."}, {"end": "02:03:09", "start": "02:03:04", "text": "Well, no. That's where it gets tricky."}, {"end": "02:03:11", "start": "02:03:06", "text": "is was she compelled just like you were"}, {"end": "02:03:12", "start": "02:03:09", "text": "to walk outside and look at those UFOs"}, {"end": "02:03:15", "start": "02:03:11", "text": "or was"}, {"end": "02:03:19", "start": "02:03:12", "text": "kind of she was involved in the same"}, {"end": "02:03:21", "start": "02:03:15", "text": "sort of um"}, {"end": "02:03:23", "start": "02:03:19", "text": "being swallowed up I guess by these"}, {"end": "02:03:25", "start": "02:03:21", "text": "entities."}, {"end": "02:03:27", "start": "02:03:23", "text": "Um I I found that there's and and"}, {"end": "02:03:30", "start": "02:03:25", "text": "actually I think they wrote a book"}, {"end": "02:03:31", "start": "02:03:27", "text": "recently describing their interaction"}, {"end": "02:03:33", "start": "02:03:30", "text": "their side of the story."}, {"end": "02:03:35", "start": "02:03:31", "text": "I mean side of the story makes it sound"}, {"end": "02:03:36", "start": "02:03:33", "text": "like you know we we have different sides"}, {"end": "02:03:37", "start": "02:03:35", "text": "of story. all involved in this"}, {"end": "02:03:38", "start": "02:03:36", "text": "perspective."}, {"end": "02:03:39", "start": "02:03:37", "text": "Their perspective"}, {"end": "02:03:41", "start": "02:03:38", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:03:43", "start": "02:03:39", "text": "of what was happening."}, {"end": "02:03:45", "start": "02:03:41", "text": "Um she she asked me to write a forward"}, {"end": "02:03:47", "start": "02:03:43", "text": "to it at a time that I was completely"}, {"end": "02:03:50", "start": "02:03:45", "text": "swamped with things. So I haven't I I"}, {"end": "02:03:53", "start": "02:03:47", "text": "haven't read it yet. But um part of me"}, {"end": "02:03:57", "start": "02:03:50", "text": "doesn't want to, I guess, because"}, {"end": "02:03:59", "start": "02:03:53", "text": "all I know is my perception. All they"}, {"end": "02:04:01", "start": "02:03:57", "text": "know is their perception. And even"}, {"end": "02:04:03", "start": "02:03:59", "text": "though we are all enveloped by these"}, {"end": "02:04:05", "start": "02:04:01", "text": "same entities working for the same"}, {"end": "02:04:07", "start": "02:04:03", "text": "purpose,"}, {"end": "02:04:09", "start": "02:04:05", "text": "yeah, we have different not just"}, {"end": "02:04:11", "start": "02:04:07", "text": "experiences but levels of understanding"}, {"end": "02:04:13", "start": "02:04:09", "text": "of the experience too"}, {"end": "02:04:15", "start": "02:04:11", "text": "because Heidi doesn't didn't remember."}, {"end": "02:04:16", "start": "02:04:13", "text": "Maybe she has since"}, {"end": "02:04:18", "start": "02:04:15", "text": "but I reached out to her a year after."}, {"end": "02:04:20", "start": "02:04:16", "text": "It took me a year to even process this"}, {"end": "02:04:22", "start": "02:04:18", "text": "stuff to be able to reach out cuz it"}, {"end": "02:04:25", "start": "02:04:20", "text": "scared the [\u00a0__\u00a0] out of me. And I started"}, {"end": "02:04:28", "start": "02:04:22", "text": "asking her a question uh prior to going"}, {"end": "02:04:30", "start": "02:04:25", "text": "to talk to Jesse about this cuz I knew"}, {"end": "02:04:32", "start": "02:04:28", "text": "he would want to. And I actually"}, {"end": "02:04:33", "start": "02:04:30", "text": "happened to tell him about it only a"}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:32", "text": "month or two after it happened when I"}, {"end": "02:04:38", "start": "02:04:33", "text": "was still just losing my mind. And I"}, {"end": "02:04:40", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "think it kind of stuck with him. So when"}, {"end": "02:04:41", "start": "02:04:38", "text": "I went back"}, {"end": "02:04:43", "start": "02:04:40", "text": "um almost a year later, I kind of had"}, {"end": "02:04:46", "start": "02:04:41", "text": "the sense he would want to talk about"}, {"end": "02:04:47", "start": "02:04:43", "text": "it. So I reached out to her and she was"}, {"end": "02:04:50", "start": "02:04:46", "text": "like, you know, I know something really"}, {"end": "02:04:51", "start": "02:04:47", "text": "weird happened that night, but I I can't"}, {"end": "02:04:52", "start": "02:04:50", "text": "answer your question because I don't"}, {"end": "02:04:53", "start": "02:04:51", "text": "remember those details."}, {"end": "02:04:57", "start": "02:04:52", "text": "My god."}, {"end": "02:04:59", "start": "02:04:53", "text": "So she she was clearly"}, {"end": "02:05:02", "start": "02:04:57", "text": "coerced"}, {"end": "02:05:02", "start": "02:04:59", "text": "even before to take me up there."}, {"end": "02:05:05", "start": "02:05:02", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:05:07", "start": "02:05:02", "text": "And then kept saying, \"Well, we can't go"}, {"end": "02:05:10", "start": "02:05:05", "text": "down yet. My friend Eric wants to talk"}, {"end": "02:05:11", "start": "02:05:07", "text": "to you.\" So yeah, this is where it gets"}, {"end": "02:05:13", "start": "02:05:10", "text": "really interesting. We're talking about"}, {"end": "02:05:17", "start": "02:05:11", "text": "individual"}, {"end": "02:05:21", "start": "02:05:13", "text": "cogent people with self- autonomy sort"}, {"end": "02:05:24", "start": "02:05:17", "text": "of being brought into this situation to"}, {"end": "02:05:26", "start": "02:05:21", "text": "many abduct me to politely ask me not to"}, {"end": "02:05:27", "start": "02:05:24", "text": "quit this thing and then we can get into"}, {"end": "02:05:29", "start": "02:05:26", "text": "all the other things that happened too"}, {"end": "02:05:32", "start": "02:05:27", "text": "but it's really interesting in the"}, {"end": "02:05:33", "start": "02:05:29", "text": "context of like it was like it was"}, {"end": "02:05:35", "start": "02:05:32", "text": "orchestrated"}, {"end": "02:05:37", "start": "02:05:33", "text": "it was orchestrated yeah and it started"}, {"end": "02:05:39", "start": "02:05:35", "text": "with her taking me up to this this room"}, {"end": "02:05:43", "start": "02:05:37", "text": "that she had a key to was the place"}, {"end": "02:05:45", "start": "02:05:39", "text": "where the um the party was sort of like"}, {"end": "02:05:47", "start": "02:05:43", "text": "a meet and greet, you know, when"}, {"end": "02:05:49", "start": "02:05:45", "text": "speakers do a thing and go meet them or"}, {"end": "02:05:51", "start": "02:05:47", "text": "whatever, which I was already super late"}, {"end": "02:05:53", "start": "02:05:49", "text": "to cuz I took a three-hour nap before"}, {"end": "02:05:56", "start": "02:05:51", "text": "this thing. I don't take naps ever,"}, {"end": "02:05:58", "start": "02:05:53", "text": "but I was like put to sleep even prior"}, {"end": "02:05:59", "start": "02:05:56", "text": "to all of these things happening. It was"}, {"end": "02:06:01", "start": "02:05:58", "text": "almost like they were clearing"}, {"end": "02:06:03", "start": "02:05:59", "text": "everything out cuz some [\u00a0__\u00a0] was about"}, {"end": "02:06:05", "start": "02:06:01", "text": "to get put in there, which it was."}, {"end": "02:06:08", "start": "02:06:03", "text": "Um, so I was already late to this thing."}, {"end": "02:06:10", "start": "02:06:05", "text": "I go down, she takes me back up, uh,"}, {"end": "02:06:13", "start": "02:06:08", "text": "only an hour or two later. I'd had one"}, {"end": "02:06:15", "start": "02:06:10", "text": "maybe two beers. So, alcohol, drugs, not"}, {"end": "02:06:17", "start": "02:06:13", "text": "in the equation. Sucks we even have to"}, {"end": "02:06:19", "start": "02:06:15", "text": "give that caveat, but it is important"}, {"end": "02:06:22", "start": "02:06:17", "text": "apparently. And and I guess I could see"}, {"end": "02:06:25", "start": "02:06:19", "text": "why. Uh takes me back up, knows he's"}, {"end": "02:06:28", "start": "02:06:22", "text": "coming for this purpose,"}, {"end": "02:06:32", "start": "02:06:25", "text": "I assume, because she brought me there"}, {"end": "02:06:33", "start": "02:06:28", "text": "and wouldn't let me leave. Um and then"}, {"end": "02:06:37", "start": "02:06:32", "text": "yeah, all the things that happened after"}, {"end": "02:06:40", "start": "02:06:33", "text": "that were clearly a part of this. And it"}, {"end": "02:06:42", "start": "02:06:37", "text": "was apparent that"}, {"end": "02:06:45", "start": "02:06:40", "text": "both needed to be present. She was she"}, {"end": "02:06:47", "start": "02:06:42", "text": "was very much involved in it. It was"}, {"end": "02:06:50", "start": "02:06:45", "text": "kind of like a shared mind space"}, {"end": "02:06:51", "start": "02:06:47", "text": "where I I know I was elevated out of my"}, {"end": "02:06:53", "start": "02:06:50", "text": "body."}, {"end": "02:06:55", "start": "02:06:51", "text": "I was like up here and there was a"}, {"end": "02:06:57", "start": "02:06:53", "text": "clarity that came with that. You know,"}, {"end": "02:07:00", "start": "02:06:55", "text": "the the classic time space thing, but"}, {"end": "02:07:02", "start": "02:06:57", "text": "also just instant communication."}, {"end": "02:07:05", "start": "02:07:00", "text": "uh all all it turned all telepathic at"}, {"end": "02:07:07", "start": "02:07:02", "text": "some point but she was just to my left"}, {"end": "02:07:09", "start": "02:07:05", "text": "and he was in front of me and then"}, {"end": "02:07:12", "start": "02:07:07", "text": "eventually you know we had a question"}, {"end": "02:07:14", "start": "02:07:09", "text": "and answer session co I want to I want"}, {"end": "02:07:15", "start": "02:07:12", "text": "to take a um I want to like slow things"}, {"end": "02:07:19", "start": "02:07:14", "text": "down here a little bit if if you don't"}, {"end": "02:07:22", "start": "02:07:15", "text": "mind you had a um so he's he's here"}, {"end": "02:07:24", "start": "02:07:19", "text": "pulls you in at this point"}, {"end": "02:07:26", "start": "02:07:22", "text": "he pulls himself in I was just sitting"}, {"end": "02:07:29", "start": "02:07:24", "text": "here like this and all of a sudden"}, {"end": "02:07:33", "start": "02:07:26", "text": "this stranger comes to you"}, {"end": "02:07:37", "start": "02:07:29", "text": "uh is is beside you on your left and"}, {"end": "02:07:38", "start": "02:07:33", "text": "he tells you, \"We know you want to quit."}, {"end": "02:07:40", "start": "02:07:37", "text": "Kindly ask that you not quit.\""}, {"end": "02:07:43", "start": "02:07:38", "text": "Very kindly. All of it was very polite."}, {"end": "02:07:46", "start": "02:07:40", "text": "Um, you said you had a question and"}, {"end": "02:07:47", "start": "02:07:43", "text": "answer session. What type of questions"}, {"end": "02:07:48", "start": "02:07:46", "text": "and what type of answers and how were"}, {"end": "02:07:51", "start": "02:07:47", "text": "they given?"}, {"end": "02:07:52", "start": "02:07:48", "text": "Yeah. Well, this part was all still"}, {"end": "02:07:54", "start": "02:07:51", "text": "vocalized speech."}, {"end": "02:07:54", "start": "02:07:52", "text": "Verbal speech. Verbal speech."}, {"end": "02:07:57", "start": "02:07:54", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:07:58", "start": "02:07:54", "text": "As in what are who are you? Like is that"}, {"end": "02:08:01", "start": "02:07:57", "text": "the type of qu like what am I doing"}, {"end": "02:08:03", "start": "02:07:58", "text": "here? My first question after how the"}, {"end": "02:08:05", "start": "02:08:01", "text": "hell do you know that?"}, {"end": "02:08:07", "start": "02:08:03", "text": "Um, my next question."}, {"end": "02:08:09", "start": "02:08:05", "text": "Yeah. Well, that's kind of wrapped up"}, {"end": "02:08:12", "start": "02:08:07", "text": "into it. How do you know that?"}, {"end": "02:08:13", "start": "02:08:09", "text": "And they said again they I I feel like"}, {"end": "02:08:15", "start": "02:08:12", "text": "it wasn't individual. That's why it's"}, {"end": "02:08:18", "start": "02:08:13", "text": "hard to answer your male or female"}, {"end": "02:08:20", "start": "02:08:15", "text": "questions because it was like"}, {"end": "02:08:22", "start": "02:08:18", "text": "I I don't know a more holistic like"}, {"end": "02:08:24", "start": "02:08:20", "text": "social mind complex to use the raw"}, {"end": "02:08:27", "start": "02:08:22", "text": "terminology. That's what it felt like."}, {"end": "02:08:28", "start": "02:08:24", "text": "like not not one individual, not male or"}, {"end": "02:08:29", "start": "02:08:27", "text": "female"}, {"end": "02:08:30", "start": "02:08:28", "text": "collective some type of collective"}, {"end": "02:08:31", "start": "02:08:29", "text": "consciousness that was"}, {"end": "02:08:31", "start": "02:08:30", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:08:35", "start": "02:08:31", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:08:38", "start": "02:08:31", "text": "that clearly has some amazing"}, {"end": "02:08:40", "start": "02:08:35", "text": "and impressive abilities to manipulate"}, {"end": "02:08:42", "start": "02:08:38", "text": "spaceime. Not just in that moment, but"}, {"end": "02:08:43", "start": "02:08:40", "text": "again, think about it like she brought"}, {"end": "02:08:44", "start": "02:08:42", "text": "me up there."}, {"end": "02:08:47", "start": "02:08:43", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:08:49", "start": "02:08:44", "text": "Uh brought this other individual there."}, {"end": "02:08:51", "start": "02:08:47", "text": "So, we're all three collectively"}, {"end": "02:08:52", "start": "02:08:49", "text": "involved in this thing. Like that takes"}, {"end": "02:08:54", "start": "02:08:51", "text": "some manipulation,"}, {"end": "02:08:57", "start": "02:08:52", "text": "let alone the manipulation of a mouth to"}, {"end": "02:08:59", "start": "02:08:54", "text": "do this, the eyes to lock in. She had"}, {"end": "02:09:01", "start": "02:08:57", "text": "her hand on my shoulder for most of the"}, {"end": "02:09:03", "start": "02:08:59", "text": "time. I I assume that was involved in"}, {"end": "02:09:05", "start": "02:09:01", "text": "some kind of energy exchange thing. I"}, {"end": "02:09:07", "start": "02:09:03", "text": "don't know. But yeah, my first question"}, {"end": "02:09:09", "start": "02:09:05", "text": "was, \"How could you know that?\" They"}, {"end": "02:09:12", "start": "02:09:07", "text": "said through him, \"Once you know who we"}, {"end": "02:09:14", "start": "02:09:09", "text": "are, you'll know how we know that.\" And"}, {"end": "02:09:16", "start": "02:09:12", "text": "my next question was future humans."}, {"end": "02:09:19", "start": "02:09:14", "text": "Because that's all I could think. Like,"}, {"end": "02:09:21", "start": "02:09:16", "text": "well, why would you give a [\u00a0__\u00a0] if I'm"}, {"end": "02:09:23", "start": "02:09:19", "text": "doing this or not? All I'm doing is"}, {"end": "02:09:24", "start": "02:09:21", "text": "talking about future humans. So,"}, {"end": "02:09:25", "start": "02:09:23", "text": "future humans."}, {"end": "02:09:25", "start": "02:09:24", "text": "You said that out loud."}, {"end": "02:09:26", "start": "02:09:25", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:09:28", "start": "02:09:25", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:09:30", "start": "02:09:26", "text": "Oh, no. No, that I actually did say in"}, {"end": "02:09:33", "start": "02:09:28", "text": "my head. Yeah, I did say that in my"}, {"end": "02:09:35", "start": "02:09:30", "text": "head. And they responded"}, {"end": "02:09:38", "start": "02:09:33", "text": "instantly."}, {"end": "02:09:39", "start": "02:09:35", "text": "No, they didn't. You're right. I thought"}, {"end": "02:09:42", "start": "02:09:38", "text": "future humans. That was the first"}, {"end": "02:09:45", "start": "02:09:39", "text": "instance of telepathy."}, {"end": "02:09:47", "start": "02:09:42", "text": "Yeah. And and I'd never"}, {"end": "02:09:49", "start": "02:09:45", "text": "other other than the light thing, I'd"}, {"end": "02:09:49", "start": "02:09:47", "text": "never had like a"}, {"end": "02:09:54", "start": "02:09:49", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:09:57", "start": "02:09:49", "text": "with another human. Um"}, {"end": "02:10:00", "start": "02:09:54", "text": "Yeah. No. So,"}, {"end": "02:10:02", "start": "02:09:57", "text": "so you said future humans in your mind."}, {"end": "02:10:04", "start": "02:10:00", "text": "Yeah. But they didn't answer the"}, {"end": "02:10:07", "start": "02:10:02", "text": "question. They didn't say yes. And I I"}, {"end": "02:10:09", "start": "02:10:04", "text": "always am quick to point that out"}, {"end": "02:10:10", "start": "02:10:07", "text": "because that wasn't confirmed,"}, {"end": "02:10:12", "start": "02:10:09", "text": "you know. And it's also important to"}, {"end": "02:10:15", "start": "02:10:10", "text": "point out there were no UFOs involved."}, {"end": "02:10:17", "start": "02:10:12", "text": "There were no big-headed aliens. It's a"}, {"end": "02:10:20", "start": "02:10:15", "text": "person just like you or me. Clearly not."}, {"end": "02:10:21", "start": "02:10:17", "text": "And Heidi's not either. Like you I hope"}, {"end": "02:10:23", "start": "02:10:20", "text": "people"}, {"end": "02:10:25", "start": "02:10:21", "text": "um"}, {"end": "02:10:27", "start": "02:10:23", "text": "they they have had some amazing"}, {"end": "02:10:30", "start": "02:10:25", "text": "experiences that"}, {"end": "02:10:33", "start": "02:10:27", "text": "that I think play into all of this too."}, {"end": "02:10:34", "start": "02:10:30", "text": "Um but yeah, I asked Future Humans. I"}, {"end": "02:10:37", "start": "02:10:33", "text": "don't remember exactly what they said"}, {"end": "02:10:40", "start": "02:10:34", "text": "afterwards. This was a few years ago"}, {"end": "02:10:42", "start": "02:10:37", "text": "now. But I do remember being allowed to"}, {"end": "02:10:44", "start": "02:10:40", "text": "ask a lot of questions because they said"}, {"end": "02:10:46", "start": "02:10:42", "text": "do you have any questions for us?"}, {"end": "02:10:49", "start": "02:10:44", "text": "Was there any question specifically that"}, {"end": "02:10:50", "start": "02:10:46", "text": "you recall that was like just whoa I"}, {"end": "02:10:52", "start": "02:10:49", "text": "can't believe they allowed me to ask"}, {"end": "02:10:55", "start": "02:10:50", "text": "this question or or the answer this"}, {"end": "02:10:58", "start": "02:10:52", "text": "what sucks about it is that I kind of"}, {"end": "02:10:59", "start": "02:10:55", "text": "squandered some opportunities to be like"}, {"end": "02:11:01", "start": "02:10:58", "text": "in hindsight 2020"}, {"end": "02:11:03", "start": "02:10:59", "text": "hindsight but you have to recognize that"}, {"end": "02:11:04", "start": "02:11:01", "text": "my mind in that moment"}, {"end": "02:11:06", "start": "02:11:03", "text": "scattered all over the place. I'm like"}, {"end": "02:11:10", "start": "02:11:04", "text": "what's happening? Is this real? How do"}, {"end": "02:11:12", "start": "02:11:06", "text": "they know this? What? And so I did ask a"}, {"end": "02:11:16", "start": "02:11:10", "text": "few questions. That's how I know that"}, {"end": "02:11:18", "start": "02:11:12", "text": "that conversation with the light um"}, {"end": "02:11:20", "start": "02:11:16", "text": "before Rice was the same entities"}, {"end": "02:11:22", "start": "02:11:18", "text": "because I asked the same question I"}, {"end": "02:11:23", "start": "02:11:20", "text": "asked of that light and they"}, {"end": "02:11:26", "start": "02:11:22", "text": "specifically said we already talked"}, {"end": "02:11:27", "start": "02:11:23", "text": "about that before you went to Rice."}, {"end": "02:11:29", "start": "02:11:26", "text": "That's what the answer was."}, {"end": "02:11:31", "start": "02:11:27", "text": "That was the exact answer verbatim."}, {"end": "02:11:33", "start": "02:11:29", "text": "Verbally. Whoa."}, {"end": "02:11:35", "start": "02:11:31", "text": "Verbally. So that that confirmed to me"}, {"end": "02:11:37", "start": "02:11:33", "text": "and was another instance of me being"}, {"end": "02:11:39", "start": "02:11:35", "text": "like, you know, there there were like a"}, {"end": "02:11:41", "start": "02:11:37", "text": "lot of sort of waking up things"}, {"end": "02:11:42", "start": "02:11:39", "text": "throughout this like, well, obviously"}, {"end": "02:11:45", "start": "02:11:41", "text": "the big one, how could you know that?"}, {"end": "02:11:47", "start": "02:11:42", "text": "That was a thought in my head. Um, why"}, {"end": "02:11:50", "start": "02:11:45", "text": "are you so close to me was something"}, {"end": "02:11:52", "start": "02:11:47", "text": "else that kind of made me like like"}, {"end": "02:11:53", "start": "02:11:50", "text": "what's happening? But yeah, when they"}, {"end": "02:11:55", "start": "02:11:52", "text": "specifically referenced that"}, {"end": "02:11:57", "start": "02:11:53", "text": "conversation that I had already written"}, {"end": "02:11:59", "start": "02:11:55", "text": "off as being a figment of my"}, {"end": "02:12:02", "start": "02:11:57", "text": "imagination, that made that whole thing"}, {"end": "02:12:04", "start": "02:11:59", "text": "real. and also brought an element of"}, {"end": "02:12:06", "start": "02:12:02", "text": "recognition and kind of safety and"}, {"end": "02:12:09", "start": "02:12:04", "text": "comfort to it like oh okay we've we've"}, {"end": "02:12:11", "start": "02:12:06", "text": "already done this that was real"}, {"end": "02:12:13", "start": "02:12:09", "text": "and from that point on honestly there"}, {"end": "02:12:17", "start": "02:12:11", "text": "was like this trajectory"}, {"end": "02:12:21", "start": "02:12:13", "text": "of it becoming"}, {"end": "02:12:25", "start": "02:12:17", "text": "normal and comfortable and oh [\u00a0__\u00a0] I"}, {"end": "02:12:28", "start": "02:12:21", "text": "already know these entities whatever"}, {"end": "02:12:30", "start": "02:12:25", "text": "they are"}, {"end": "02:12:32", "start": "02:12:28", "text": "we've been doing this together already"}, {"end": "02:12:35", "start": "02:12:30", "text": "for a a long time and I'm acting like a"}, {"end": "02:12:37", "start": "02:12:32", "text": "little [\u00a0__\u00a0] wanting to quit and oh my"}, {"end": "02:12:38", "start": "02:12:35", "text": "life's so hard and I have to sit in"}, {"end": "02:12:43", "start": "02:12:37", "text": "airplanes when it's too hot sometimes."}, {"end": "02:12:46", "start": "02:12:38", "text": "Like I I started to have this sense of"}, {"end": "02:12:49", "start": "02:12:43", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] that's right. I I agreed to do"}, {"end": "02:12:52", "start": "02:12:46", "text": "this. Why am I complaining and and"}, {"end": "02:12:54", "start": "02:12:49", "text": "threatening to quit? It was like we we"}, {"end": "02:12:56", "start": "02:12:52", "text": "started to talk about this earlier, but"}, {"end": "02:12:57", "start": "02:12:54", "text": "kind of a pre-incarnate"}, {"end": "02:13:00", "start": "02:12:56", "text": "remembering."}, {"end": "02:13:01", "start": "02:12:57", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:13:04", "start": "02:13:00", "text": "so that was one of the questions. The"}, {"end": "02:13:06", "start": "02:13:01", "text": "other one I've never told anybody um"}, {"end": "02:13:10", "start": "02:13:04", "text": "because it was kind of embarrassing, but"}, {"end": "02:13:12", "start": "02:13:06", "text": "I I figure I'm I'm already"}, {"end": "02:13:15", "start": "02:13:10", "text": "um making a mess of this question and"}, {"end": "02:13:17", "start": "02:13:12", "text": "answer session anyway. So maybe some of"}, {"end": "02:13:21", "start": "02:13:15", "text": "your your viewers will will think it's"}, {"end": "02:13:24", "start": "02:13:17", "text": "comical cuz I did. Um but I asked him"}, {"end": "02:13:27", "start": "02:13:21", "text": "about like the safety of myself and my"}, {"end": "02:13:29", "start": "02:13:24", "text": "family and like you know will they be"}, {"end": "02:13:31", "start": "02:13:27", "text": "okay? That was the main point based on"}, {"end": "02:13:34", "start": "02:13:29", "text": "the anxiety I was having before I went"}, {"end": "02:13:37", "start": "02:13:31", "text": "to Rice. Um, earlier that day I met with"}, {"end": "02:13:41", "start": "02:13:34", "text": "a guy that that was his life was saved"}, {"end": "02:13:45", "start": "02:13:37", "text": "by future humans that he interacts with"}, {"end": "02:13:46", "start": "02:13:41", "text": "um, and has for decades. Um, so I asked"}, {"end": "02:13:48", "start": "02:13:45", "text": "a question about my health and this is"}, {"end": "02:13:50", "start": "02:13:46", "text": "the one I've never told anybody cuz"}, {"end": "02:13:52", "start": "02:13:48", "text": "their answer was instantaneous and"}, {"end": "02:13:54", "start": "02:13:50", "text": "hilarious. I was like, you know, so so"}, {"end": "02:13:56", "start": "02:13:52", "text": "do I have any health problems or"}, {"end": "02:13:57", "start": "02:13:54", "text": "anything?"}, {"end": "02:14:00", "start": "02:13:56", "text": "And they said, well, you could stand to"}, {"end": "02:14:01", "start": "02:13:57", "text": "party a little less hard. Just like off"}, {"end": "02:14:03", "start": "02:14:00", "text": "the cuff."}, {"end": "02:14:06", "start": "02:14:01", "text": "Wow. And I was like, \"Oh, yeah, that's"}, {"end": "02:14:11", "start": "02:14:03", "text": "true.\" Cuz I was, you know, definitely"}, {"end": "02:14:15", "start": "02:14:06", "text": "um enjoying the social aspects of of"}, {"end": "02:14:17", "start": "02:14:11", "text": "camaraderie and and whatnot. Um"}, {"end": "02:14:18", "start": "02:14:15", "text": "but they knew that like it was just a"}, {"end": "02:14:19", "start": "02:14:17", "text": "matter of fact for them."}, {"end": "02:14:21", "start": "02:14:18", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:14:22", "start": "02:14:19", "text": "Wow. That must definitely stand a party"}, {"end": "02:14:25", "start": "02:14:21", "text": "a little less. So"}, {"end": "02:14:26", "start": "02:14:22", "text": "So in addition to knowing my thoughts,"}, {"end": "02:14:27", "start": "02:14:25", "text": "they also knew"}, {"end": "02:14:30", "start": "02:14:26", "text": "your history"}, {"end": "02:14:32", "start": "02:14:27", "text": "and potentially future. Whoa. you know,"}, {"end": "02:14:34", "start": "02:14:30", "text": "like"}, {"end": "02:14:36", "start": "02:14:32", "text": "take it easy. You know, they didn't tell"}, {"end": "02:14:39", "start": "02:14:34", "text": "me I have a problem with my health right"}, {"end": "02:14:42", "start": "02:14:36", "text": "now. That was like some indication of a"}, {"end": "02:14:44", "start": "02:14:39", "text": "path or a direction, you know, and I and"}, {"end": "02:14:46", "start": "02:14:42", "text": "I took it quite seriously. Like I cut"}, {"end": "02:14:48", "start": "02:14:44", "text": "back on"}, {"end": "02:14:50", "start": "02:14:46", "text": "everything after that. I do still enjoy"}, {"end": "02:14:53", "start": "02:14:48", "text": "a beer or a scotch or a whiskey, but"}, {"end": "02:14:55", "start": "02:14:50", "text": "definitely not like I was."}, {"end": "02:15:00", "start": "02:14:53", "text": "Um, but yeah, at some point, you know,"}, {"end": "02:15:03", "start": "02:14:55", "text": "the conversation did shift from being"}, {"end": "02:15:05", "start": "02:15:00", "text": "vocalized to telepathic. I don't really"}, {"end": "02:15:07", "start": "02:15:03", "text": "know exactly when that happened. Um, and"}, {"end": "02:15:09", "start": "02:15:05", "text": "and already like after a few years, I"}, {"end": "02:15:11", "start": "02:15:07", "text": "feel like I'm forgetting little details"}, {"end": "02:15:15", "start": "02:15:09", "text": "like like when you asked if they said"}, {"end": "02:15:16", "start": "02:15:11", "text": "that or if I said that vocally"}, {"end": "02:15:19", "start": "02:15:15", "text": "about how do you know that, you know,"}, {"end": "02:15:21", "start": "02:15:16", "text": "and I said future humans, like that was"}, {"end": "02:15:22", "start": "02:15:19", "text": "the first instance of telepathy in this"}, {"end": "02:15:24", "start": "02:15:21", "text": "conversation."}, {"end": "02:15:26", "start": "02:15:22", "text": "Fortunately, I wrote all of this down in"}, {"end": "02:15:28", "start": "02:15:24", "text": "addition to all of the other weird [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:15:30", "start": "02:15:26", "text": "that's been happening since because I"}, {"end": "02:15:33", "start": "02:15:28", "text": "feel like"}, {"end": "02:15:35", "start": "02:15:30", "text": "um that's like like we were talking"}, {"end": "02:15:38", "start": "02:15:33", "text": "about earlier, the way we remember"}, {"end": "02:15:39", "start": "02:15:35", "text": "things is very subject to it's"}, {"end": "02:15:41", "start": "02:15:38", "text": "subjective obviously, but also subject"}, {"end": "02:15:44", "start": "02:15:39", "text": "to other influences."}, {"end": "02:15:46", "start": "02:15:41", "text": "Um, so I do have a record of like the"}, {"end": "02:15:49", "start": "02:15:44", "text": "way all of these things took place, even"}, {"end": "02:15:50", "start": "02:15:46", "text": "though that in itself is probably,"}, {"end": "02:15:52", "start": "02:15:49", "text": "you know, slightly different and"}, {"end": "02:15:56", "start": "02:15:50", "text": "obviously different for Eric and Heidi"}, {"end": "02:15:57", "start": "02:15:52", "text": "too for the same reasons. And the three"}, {"end": "02:16:00", "start": "02:15:56", "text": "women came out onto the balcony at one"}, {"end": "02:16:02", "start": "02:15:57", "text": "point and were sort of made to turn and"}, {"end": "02:16:06", "start": "02:16:00", "text": "walk back inside. Um,"}, {"end": "02:16:09", "start": "02:16:02", "text": "what do you mean made to turn? the the"}, {"end": "02:16:10", "start": "02:16:06", "text": "they um"}, {"end": "02:16:13", "start": "02:16:09", "text": "clearly weren't just controlling us"}, {"end": "02:16:15", "start": "02:16:10", "text": "three, but these three women came out"}, {"end": "02:16:17", "start": "02:16:13", "text": "cuz there were people inside watching"}, {"end": "02:16:19", "start": "02:16:15", "text": "and they were concerned about me. I knew"}, {"end": "02:16:22", "start": "02:16:17", "text": "them, some of them. I'm pretty sure I"}, {"end": "02:16:24", "start": "02:16:19", "text": "know who all of them are now. Uh I"}, {"end": "02:16:26", "start": "02:16:22", "text": "wouldn't try to bring them into this"}, {"end": "02:16:28", "start": "02:16:24", "text": "because I already feel bad that Eric and"}, {"end": "02:16:30", "start": "02:16:26", "text": "I have to be a part of this even though,"}, {"end": "02:16:33", "start": "02:16:28", "text": "you know, they were and they are and"}, {"end": "02:16:35", "start": "02:16:30", "text": "it's sort of inescapable for all of us."}, {"end": "02:16:37", "start": "02:16:33", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:16:39", "start": "02:16:35", "text": "but there was some conversation taking"}, {"end": "02:16:41", "start": "02:16:37", "text": "place like what the [\u00a0__\u00a0] going on? If"}, {"end": "02:16:43", "start": "02:16:39", "text": "you think about objectively like there's"}, {"end": "02:16:45", "start": "02:16:41", "text": "a dude here, I'm just sitting here and"}, {"end": "02:16:47", "start": "02:16:43", "text": "there's a woman to my left with her hand"}, {"end": "02:16:49", "start": "02:16:45", "text": "on my shoulder. Just imagine looking out"}, {"end": "02:16:51", "start": "02:16:47", "text": "from the glass at that none of us at"}, {"end": "02:16:52", "start": "02:16:49", "text": "this point they came out. None of us"}, {"end": "02:16:54", "start": "02:16:51", "text": "were moving our mouths"}, {"end": "02:16:55", "start": "02:16:52", "text": "and you're just sitting there looking at"}, {"end": "02:16:58", "start": "02:16:54", "text": "each other. My god,"}, {"end": "02:17:01", "start": "02:16:55", "text": "this far away. So, and and I did talk to"}, {"end": "02:17:03", "start": "02:16:58", "text": "one of the people who was also inside, a"}, {"end": "02:17:05", "start": "02:17:01", "text": "male who didn't come out, but the three"}, {"end": "02:17:07", "start": "02:17:03", "text": "women came out and and I remember I was"}, {"end": "02:17:08", "start": "02:17:05", "text": "locked in by this point. You know, we'd"}, {"end": "02:17:10", "start": "02:17:07", "text": "already been speaking telepathically for"}, {"end": "02:17:12", "start": "02:17:08", "text": "a while. It was really hard for me to"}, {"end": "02:17:15", "start": "02:17:10", "text": "move my head. Like, I could move my"}, {"end": "02:17:18", "start": "02:17:12", "text": "eyes, but not really my head. And I do"}, {"end": "02:17:20", "start": "02:17:15", "text": "remember he turned and said, \"Can you"}, {"end": "02:17:21", "start": "02:17:18", "text": "close the door?\" Like, that's all I"}, {"end": "02:17:23", "start": "02:17:20", "text": "remember. And all three of them turned"}, {"end": "02:17:25", "start": "02:17:21", "text": "at the exact same time, walked back"}, {"end": "02:17:26", "start": "02:17:23", "text": "inside, closed the door. Nobody came"}, {"end": "02:17:29", "start": "02:17:25", "text": "out. the whole rest of the time that"}, {"end": "02:17:31", "start": "02:17:26", "text": "this is taking place. And by the time it"}, {"end": "02:17:33", "start": "02:17:29", "text": "was over, there were probably 15 to 20"}, {"end": "02:17:35", "start": "02:17:31", "text": "people inside. Like we were out there. I"}, {"end": "02:17:38", "start": "02:17:33", "text": "don't know exactly how long because they"}, {"end": "02:17:40", "start": "02:17:35", "text": "eventually put me into a sort of trance"}, {"end": "02:17:42", "start": "02:17:38", "text": "where my eyes were open. Everything was"}, {"end": "02:17:42", "start": "02:17:40", "text": "black so I couldn't see."}, {"end": "02:17:44", "start": "02:17:42", "text": "It went black."}, {"end": "02:17:46", "start": "02:17:42", "text": "Yeah. And they told me that would"}, {"end": "02:17:49", "start": "02:17:44", "text": "happen. They very politely asked, could"}, {"end": "02:17:50", "start": "02:17:46", "text": "we do this? This is what will happen. We"}, {"end": "02:17:52", "start": "02:17:49", "text": "need to put three things in your brain."}, {"end": "02:17:54", "start": "02:17:50", "text": "You won't have access to the"}, {"end": "02:17:56", "start": "02:17:52", "text": "information. But the way this will"}, {"end": "02:17:58", "start": "02:17:54", "text": "happen is that you'll still have your"}, {"end": "02:18:01", "start": "02:17:56", "text": "eyes open, but everything will go black"}, {"end": "02:18:03", "start": "02:17:58", "text": "from top to bottom. And then you'll"}, {"end": "02:18:06", "start": "02:18:01", "text": "start to see and feel information. That"}, {"end": "02:18:08", "start": "02:18:03", "text": "is exactly what happened. Um, I was"}, {"end": "02:18:10", "start": "02:18:06", "text": "clearly in some sort of deep trance"}, {"end": "02:18:11", "start": "02:18:08", "text": "state because I don't know how much time"}, {"end": "02:18:14", "start": "02:18:10", "text": "passed,"}, {"end": "02:18:17", "start": "02:18:11", "text": "but in that time, nobody else came out."}, {"end": "02:18:19", "start": "02:18:14", "text": "And when I went in, there were way more"}, {"end": "02:18:21", "start": "02:18:17", "text": "people in that room than there were"}, {"end": "02:18:24", "start": "02:18:19", "text": "before. Um, so just real quick because"}, {"end": "02:18:28", "start": "02:18:21", "text": "this is an important part of the account"}, {"end": "02:18:30", "start": "02:18:24", "text": "is I did see the information. It did go"}, {"end": "02:18:34", "start": "02:18:28", "text": "in my brain like a freaking fire hose."}, {"end": "02:18:36", "start": "02:18:30", "text": "And when it was over, I felt like my"}, {"end": "02:18:40", "start": "02:18:34", "text": "head was very heavy. I could barely even"}, {"end": "02:18:42", "start": "02:18:36", "text": "lift it. Um, and I don't have conscious"}, {"end": "02:18:44", "start": "02:18:40", "text": "access to that information. But"}, {"end": "02:18:47", "start": "02:18:42", "text": "importantly, they very politely asked"}, {"end": "02:18:50", "start": "02:18:44", "text": "about each of these things and I agreed"}, {"end": "02:18:52", "start": "02:18:47", "text": "to it because I remembered I was allowed"}, {"end": "02:18:54", "start": "02:18:50", "text": "to remember. I was allowed to look back"}, {"end": "02:18:57", "start": "02:18:52", "text": "across the river of forgetting and"}, {"end": "02:18:59", "start": "02:18:54", "text": "remember"}, {"end": "02:19:01", "start": "02:18:57", "text": "that I had already agreed to this and"}, {"end": "02:19:03", "start": "02:18:59", "text": "all of it was so polite and so loving. I"}, {"end": "02:19:06", "start": "02:19:01", "text": "heard I heard some misinformed"}, {"end": "02:19:09", "start": "02:19:03", "text": "statements made on I think Shawn Ryan or"}, {"end": "02:19:11", "start": "02:19:06", "text": "something where uh somebody was talking"}, {"end": "02:19:14", "start": "02:19:09", "text": "about how it's like it's brain rape, you"}, {"end": "02:19:15", "start": "02:19:11", "text": "know, telepathy. If you come up and and"}, {"end": "02:19:17", "start": "02:19:14", "text": "you talk to somebody in their brain,"}, {"end": "02:19:19", "start": "02:19:15", "text": "it's violating them and that's their"}, {"end": "02:19:20", "start": "02:19:17", "text": "space and you shouldn't be in there."}, {"end": "02:19:22", "start": "02:19:19", "text": "This wasn't like that. And a lot of"}, {"end": "02:19:24", "start": "02:19:20", "text": "these instances aren't. Some people do"}, {"end": "02:19:26", "start": "02:19:22", "text": "have that. There were a number of people"}, {"end": "02:19:27", "start": "02:19:24", "text": "at the soul conference, the first one"}, {"end": "02:19:29", "start": "02:19:26", "text": "for instance, who claimed to have been"}, {"end": "02:19:31", "start": "02:19:27", "text": "approached by these really shady"}, {"end": "02:19:34", "start": "02:19:29", "text": "characters who are getting into their"}, {"end": "02:19:36", "start": "02:19:31", "text": "minds and violating their mind space and"}, {"end": "02:19:37", "start": "02:19:34", "text": "trying to extract information and put"}, {"end": "02:19:39", "start": "02:19:36", "text": "information in. I've heard that from"}, {"end": "02:19:41", "start": "02:19:37", "text": "three different people."}, {"end": "02:19:44", "start": "02:19:39", "text": "So clearly there are instances where"}, {"end": "02:19:47", "start": "02:19:41", "text": "that happens. This was not the case for"}, {"end": "02:19:48", "start": "02:19:44", "text": "me. This was very much"}, {"end": "02:19:48", "start": "02:19:47", "text": "a what"}, {"end": "02:19:51", "start": "02:19:48", "text": "very consensual"}, {"end": "02:19:53", "start": "02:19:48", "text": "extremely. Yeah. Everything was like,"}, {"end": "02:19:56", "start": "02:19:51", "text": "\"Are you okay with this? Do we have your"}, {"end": "02:19:58", "start": "02:19:53", "text": "permission to do this?\" And by the time"}, {"end": "02:20:00", "start": "02:19:56", "text": "that more overt thing was happening"}, {"end": "02:20:04", "start": "02:19:58", "text": "where this flood of information was"}, {"end": "02:20:06", "start": "02:20:00", "text": "coming into my mind, um"}, {"end": "02:20:10", "start": "02:20:04", "text": "I I remembered I was allowed to"}, {"end": "02:20:11", "start": "02:20:06", "text": "remember. I didn't have I there was a"}, {"end": "02:20:12", "start": "02:20:10", "text": "level of trust."}, {"end": "02:20:14", "start": "02:20:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:20:16", "start": "02:20:12", "text": "That was like"}, {"end": "02:20:17", "start": "02:20:14", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] Of course, like why are we even"}, {"end": "02:20:20", "start": "02:20:16", "text": "having this conversation? But they"}, {"end": "02:20:22", "start": "02:20:17", "text": "couldn't just come up and do that. There"}, {"end": "02:20:24", "start": "02:20:20", "text": "was this whole process that started with"}, {"end": "02:20:26", "start": "02:20:22", "text": "this complete stranger coming up,"}, {"end": "02:20:29", "start": "02:20:24", "text": "breaking me down with the we know your"}, {"end": "02:20:31", "start": "02:20:26", "text": "thoughts thing and then sort of"}, {"end": "02:20:34", "start": "02:20:29", "text": "developing a rapport. And that whole"}, {"end": "02:20:37", "start": "02:20:31", "text": "time I'm just kind of like lifting up"}, {"end": "02:20:39", "start": "02:20:34", "text": "and then apparently it'd be so cool to"}, {"end": "02:20:42", "start": "02:20:37", "text": "see like the soul body, you know, if we"}, {"end": "02:20:46", "start": "02:20:39", "text": "could visualize that or use like, you"}, {"end": "02:20:47", "start": "02:20:42", "text": "know, some some sort of thermographic"}, {"end": "02:20:50", "start": "02:20:46", "text": "technology. M"}, {"end": "02:20:52", "start": "02:20:47", "text": "cuz I there was a point where I'm just"}, {"end": "02:20:53", "start": "02:20:50", "text": "here, you know, like the crown chakra,"}, {"end": "02:20:55", "start": "02:20:52", "text": "whatever it says."}, {"end": "02:20:59", "start": "02:20:53", "text": "And that's when our mouth stopped moving"}, {"end": "02:21:03", "start": "02:20:55", "text": "and we all just hive mind communication."}, {"end": "02:21:04", "start": "02:20:59", "text": "Um do you remember any of the specific"}, {"end": "02:21:07", "start": "02:21:03", "text": "communication"}, {"end": "02:21:10", "start": "02:21:04", "text": "that you were experiencing during that"}, {"end": "02:21:12", "start": "02:21:07", "text": "during that time? And how long uh"}, {"end": "02:21:15", "start": "02:21:10", "text": "roughly I know you probably have like a"}, {"end": "02:21:17", "start": "02:21:12", "text": "a different sort of frame of reference"}, {"end": "02:21:19", "start": "02:21:15", "text": "for time, but how how long do you think"}, {"end": "02:21:21", "start": "02:21:17", "text": "with everything that was happening"}, {"end": "02:21:25", "start": "02:21:19", "text": "around you um was that telepathic"}, {"end": "02:21:30", "start": "02:21:21", "text": "communication uh going on for?"}, {"end": "02:21:30", "start": "02:21:25", "text": "Uh I mean, yeah, objectively"}, {"end": "02:21:33", "start": "02:21:30", "text": "objectively"}, {"end": "02:21:36", "start": "02:21:32", "text": "I have no idea."}, {"end": "02:21:37", "start": "02:21:33", "text": "Yeah. Um,"}, {"end": "02:21:42", "start": "02:21:36", "text": "subjectively"}, {"end": "02:21:42", "start": "02:21:37", "text": "I also have no idea, but based on"}, {"end": "02:21:50", "start": "02:21:44", "text": "I I would guess maybe 15 to 30 minutes."}, {"end": "02:21:50", "start": "02:21:48", "text": "That's an awful long time to just sit in"}, {"end": "02:21:51", "start": "02:21:50", "text": "front of someone."}, {"end": "02:21:52", "start": "02:21:50", "text": "I don't know. It's like, you know, you"}, {"end": "02:21:54", "start": "02:21:51", "text": "fall asleep, sure,"}, {"end": "02:21:56", "start": "02:21:52", "text": "you're in that same sort of deep trance"}, {"end": "02:21:58", "start": "02:21:54", "text": "state, you wake up, it can feel like"}, {"end": "02:22:00", "start": "02:21:56", "text": "hours pass and you're only asleep for 10"}, {"end": "02:22:03", "start": "02:21:58", "text": "minutes, you know. So, I I don't know."}, {"end": "02:22:03", "start": "02:22:00", "text": "I'm only basing that on how many people"}, {"end": "02:22:05", "start": "02:22:03", "text": "we're at"}, {"end": "02:22:08", "start": "02:22:03", "text": "we're in that room. But again, by the"}, {"end": "02:22:09", "start": "02:22:05", "text": "time before they blacked my eyes out, I"}, {"end": "02:22:11", "start": "02:22:08", "text": "could only see out of my peripheral"}, {"end": "02:22:14", "start": "02:22:09", "text": "vision anyway. So that's not a great"}, {"end": "02:22:16", "start": "02:22:11", "text": "metric to use. But by the time I was"}, {"end": "02:22:18", "start": "02:22:14", "text": "released from that,"}, {"end": "02:22:20", "start": "02:22:16", "text": "um"}, {"end": "02:22:22", "start": "02:22:18", "text": "the the room was full of people. That's"}, {"end": "02:22:26", "start": "02:22:20", "text": "that's my only gauge for how much time"}, {"end": "02:22:28", "start": "02:22:22", "text": "passed. I all time disappeared."}, {"end": "02:22:31", "start": "02:22:26", "text": "What was the reaction"}, {"end": "02:22:33", "start": "02:22:28", "text": "to like afterwards? I know that you said"}, {"end": "02:22:35", "start": "02:22:31", "text": "that you've communicated with some"}, {"end": "02:22:37", "start": "02:22:33", "text": "people that were there who will remain"}, {"end": "02:22:40", "start": "02:22:35", "text": "nameless, but what was some of their"}, {"end": "02:22:42", "start": "02:22:37", "text": "reactions to that uh post it happening"}, {"end": "02:22:45", "start": "02:22:40", "text": "and you now, you know, coming to terms"}, {"end": "02:22:47", "start": "02:22:42", "text": "with what happened? Did anybody ever say"}, {"end": "02:22:49", "start": "02:22:45", "text": "to you like, \"Dude, that was so wild"}, {"end": "02:22:50", "start": "02:22:47", "text": "watching you just sit there like what"}, {"end": "02:22:52", "start": "02:22:49", "text": "was going like"}, {"end": "02:22:53", "start": "02:22:50", "text": "was there confusion at all of what was"}, {"end": "02:22:54", "start": "02:22:52", "text": "happening?\""}, {"end": "02:22:57", "start": "02:22:53", "text": "Yeah. I don't know if I've mentioned"}, {"end": "02:23:00", "start": "02:22:54", "text": "this or not. Um, but yeah, one of the"}, {"end": "02:23:02", "start": "02:22:57", "text": "individuals I I I talked to about it who"}, {"end": "02:23:04", "start": "02:23:00", "text": "was watching from the inside and was"}, {"end": "02:23:08", "start": "02:23:02", "text": "with the three women who came out and"}, {"end": "02:23:10", "start": "02:23:04", "text": "went right back in, he told me that they"}, {"end": "02:23:14", "start": "02:23:08", "text": "were concerned. They were looking and"}, {"end": "02:23:18", "start": "02:23:10", "text": "were concerned, but he says he couldn't"}, {"end": "02:23:20", "start": "02:23:14", "text": "really remember faces. like he"}, {"end": "02:23:23", "start": "02:23:18", "text": "remembered seeing us but not really like"}, {"end": "02:23:25", "start": "02:23:20", "text": "people, you know, like"}, {"end": "02:23:27", "start": "02:23:23", "text": "it's like it's it's fuzzy in his mind."}, {"end": "02:23:29", "start": "02:23:25", "text": "And he was telling me that he was"}, {"end": "02:23:32", "start": "02:23:27", "text": "actually at that first soul conference."}, {"end": "02:23:35", "start": "02:23:29", "text": "And that event took place right after I"}, {"end": "02:23:37", "start": "02:23:32", "text": "first started talking about this um"}, {"end": "02:23:40", "start": "02:23:35", "text": "first time I could talk about it cuz it"}, {"end": "02:23:43", "start": "02:23:37", "text": "freaked me the [\u00a0__\u00a0] out for a year with"}, {"end": "02:23:45", "start": "02:23:40", "text": "Jesse. And I remember him asking"}, {"end": "02:23:46", "start": "02:23:43", "text": "um another individual there. I don't"}, {"end": "02:23:49", "start": "02:23:45", "text": "think he would care if I use his name,"}, {"end": "02:23:51", "start": "02:23:46", "text": "but he asked Jeff Craple. Like, is that"}, {"end": "02:23:54", "start": "02:23:49", "text": "normal? Like, shouldn't like can they"}, {"end": "02:23:58", "start": "02:23:51", "text": "manipulate everybody's mind to the"}, {"end": "02:24:00", "start": "02:23:54", "text": "extent that I can't like really frame"}, {"end": "02:24:02", "start": "02:23:58", "text": "that situation"}, {"end": "02:24:04", "start": "02:24:00", "text": "physically with like faces and stuff?"}, {"end": "02:24:06", "start": "02:24:02", "text": "He's like, \"Yeah, it's extremely common."}, {"end": "02:24:07", "start": "02:24:04", "text": "Happens all the time.\" And Jeff's"}, {"end": "02:24:08", "start": "02:24:06", "text": "probably one of the best people you"}, {"end": "02:24:10", "start": "02:24:07", "text": "could ask that question to in the first"}, {"end": "02:24:12", "start": "02:24:08", "text": "place because he's seen and read and"}, {"end": "02:24:15", "start": "02:24:10", "text": "heard it all. He's a living legend in my"}, {"end": "02:24:18", "start": "02:24:12", "text": "opinion. Um,"}, {"end": "02:24:19", "start": "02:24:15", "text": "I've tried to find that. I thought one"}, {"end": "02:24:21", "start": "02:24:18", "text": "of the people, one of the women that"}, {"end": "02:24:24", "start": "02:24:19", "text": "came out, I thought I knew who that was"}, {"end": "02:24:29", "start": "02:24:21", "text": "and it wasn't her. And then there was"}, {"end": "02:24:33", "start": "02:24:24", "text": "another woman too when I walked in"}, {"end": "02:24:36", "start": "02:24:29", "text": "that was one of the ones on the balcony."}, {"end": "02:24:37", "start": "02:24:33", "text": "Um, and I and I I don't know this"}, {"end": "02:24:40", "start": "02:24:36", "text": "because I saw her face. I just"}, {"end": "02:24:42", "start": "02:24:37", "text": "remembered her presence."}, {"end": "02:24:45", "start": "02:24:40", "text": "Um, but she put her hand on my arm and"}, {"end": "02:24:47", "start": "02:24:42", "text": "said, \"Are you okay?\""}, {"end": "02:24:49", "start": "02:24:45", "text": "And I just went, \"Uh-huh. Uh-huh.\" And I"}, {"end": "02:24:52", "start": "02:24:47", "text": "couldn't even lift my head. It felt so"}, {"end": "02:24:56", "start": "02:24:49", "text": "so heavy. But she I I recognized her"}, {"end": "02:24:58", "start": "02:24:52", "text": "presence from out there because and and"}, {"end": "02:25:02", "start": "02:24:56", "text": "this there's ripple effects that came"}, {"end": "02:25:04", "start": "02:24:58", "text": "out from this like crazy. I had weird"}, {"end": "02:25:06", "start": "02:25:02", "text": "sigh abilities for about 6 months after"}, {"end": "02:25:08", "start": "02:25:04", "text": "this event. That's why I'm saying like"}, {"end": "02:25:09", "start": "02:25:06", "text": "there's a lot of things that happened"}, {"end": "02:25:12", "start": "02:25:08", "text": "but this one rippled out."}, {"end": "02:25:12", "start": "02:25:09", "text": "Yeah. That was a almost a catalyst in"}, {"end": "02:25:15", "start": "02:25:12", "text": "some sense."}, {"end": "02:25:16", "start": "02:25:12", "text": "Huge catalyst. Absolutely huge catalyst."}, {"end": "02:25:20", "start": "02:25:15", "text": "Like I wouldn't have started looking"}, {"end": "02:25:22", "start": "02:25:16", "text": "into channelneled material or like you"}, {"end": "02:25:24", "start": "02:25:20", "text": "know really spiritual stuff that I"}, {"end": "02:25:25", "start": "02:25:22", "text": "thought was always just so woo if if"}, {"end": "02:25:27", "start": "02:25:24", "text": "this hadn't happened to me if I hadn't"}, {"end": "02:25:29", "start": "02:25:25", "text": "experienced this myself. And and"}, {"end": "02:25:31", "start": "02:25:27", "text": "speaking of Jeff Crapel, he wrote a book"}, {"end": "02:25:33", "start": "02:25:29", "text": "called The Flip, which is about"}, {"end": "02:25:36", "start": "02:25:31", "text": "scientists mostly and others too, but"}, {"end": "02:25:38", "start": "02:25:33", "text": "mostly scientists who have this"}, {"end": "02:25:41", "start": "02:25:36", "text": "extremely limited reductionist view of"}, {"end": "02:25:43", "start": "02:25:38", "text": "reality and then have an experience and"}, {"end": "02:25:45", "start": "02:25:41", "text": "flip and and gives a number of cases of"}, {"end": "02:25:46", "start": "02:25:43", "text": "really important scientific discoveries"}, {"end": "02:25:49", "start": "02:25:45", "text": "coming from these types of experiences"}, {"end": "02:25:51", "start": "02:25:46", "text": "and interactions. I had already been"}, {"end": "02:25:53", "start": "02:25:49", "text": "halfway through this somersault before"}, {"end": "02:25:56", "start": "02:25:51", "text": "this happened. I had been flipping. I'd"}, {"end": "02:25:58", "start": "02:25:53", "text": "been realizing that there's a lot more"}, {"end": "02:26:00", "start": "02:25:56", "text": "to this physical reality than what I was"}, {"end": "02:26:02", "start": "02:25:58", "text": "aware previously. But that completed the"}, {"end": "02:26:06", "start": "02:26:00", "text": "somersault and kept me spinning for a"}, {"end": "02:26:09", "start": "02:26:02", "text": "while. Like there were a number of"}, {"end": "02:26:13", "start": "02:26:06", "text": "experiences that followed that"}, {"end": "02:26:17", "start": "02:26:09", "text": "that were all related"}, {"end": "02:26:17", "start": "02:26:13", "text": "and clearly"}, {"end": "02:26:23", "start": "02:26:17", "text": "originated from that point that have"}, {"end": "02:26:26", "start": "02:26:20", "text": "kind of tapered off"}, {"end": "02:26:29", "start": "02:26:23", "text": "but are still"}, {"end": "02:26:32", "start": "02:26:26", "text": "um affecting me in different ways."}, {"end": "02:26:36", "start": "02:26:29", "text": "Mhm. I I think it was I think it was"}, {"end": "02:26:39", "start": "02:26:32", "text": "partly um"}, {"end": "02:26:42", "start": "02:26:36", "text": "yeah, partly just a catalyst as far as"}, {"end": "02:26:45", "start": "02:26:39", "text": "reframing reality, but it also clearly"}, {"end": "02:26:50", "start": "02:26:42", "text": "did something that made other sigh"}, {"end": "02:26:53", "start": "02:26:45", "text": "abilities heightened and other"}, {"end": "02:26:55", "start": "02:26:50", "text": "ways of experiencing things"}, {"end": "02:26:57", "start": "02:26:53", "text": "easy that"}, {"end": "02:26:59", "start": "02:26:55", "text": "weren't outside of that block of time."}, {"end": "02:27:02", "start": "02:26:57", "text": "That sounds that's actually pretty"}, {"end": "02:27:03", "start": "02:26:59", "text": "common um thing as well and I've spoken"}, {"end": "02:27:04", "start": "02:27:02", "text": "to some experiencers as well that say"}, {"end": "02:27:07", "start": "02:27:03", "text": "that after their interactions with"}, {"end": "02:27:09", "start": "02:27:04", "text": "entities they do experience a heightened"}, {"end": "02:27:10", "start": "02:27:07", "text": "extra uh sensory perception."}, {"end": "02:27:10", "start": "02:27:09", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:27:12", "start": "02:27:10", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "02:27:15", "start": "02:27:10", "text": "that's for sure."}, {"end": "02:27:18", "start": "02:27:12", "text": "Okay. So Eric and Heidi"}, {"end": "02:27:20", "start": "02:27:15", "text": "you get this download. You feel this"}, {"end": "02:27:22", "start": "02:27:18", "text": "download. You're having this telepathic"}, {"end": "02:27:24", "start": "02:27:20", "text": "communication on this balcony. People"}, {"end": "02:27:29", "start": "02:27:22", "text": "are observing this. They're you're now"}, {"end": "02:27:31", "start": "02:27:24", "text": "alone. You've you've finished this. Um"}, {"end": "02:27:33", "start": "02:27:29", "text": "your vision comes back, I assume."}, {"end": "02:27:35", "start": "02:27:31", "text": "Yeah, I just reversed what happened. It"}, {"end": "02:27:36", "start": "02:27:33", "text": "came from bottom to top just"}, {"end": "02:27:38", "start": "02:27:35", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:27:40", "start": "02:27:36", "text": "Now I looking indirectly."}, {"end": "02:27:43", "start": "02:27:38", "text": "At any point did Eric realize what was"}, {"end": "02:27:45", "start": "02:27:40", "text": "going on or was was the entity still"}, {"end": "02:27:45", "start": "02:27:43", "text": "present? Was it ever present? What did"}, {"end": "02:27:48", "start": "02:27:45", "text": "it go away?"}, {"end": "02:27:49", "start": "02:27:45", "text": "Yeah. No, they I think they were present"}, {"end": "02:27:52", "start": "02:27:48", "text": "from from my experience and my memory"}, {"end": "02:27:56", "start": "02:27:49", "text": "and I do like it's getting to the point"}, {"end": "02:27:58", "start": "02:27:52", "text": "where I don't remember every single"}, {"end": "02:28:01", "start": "02:27:56", "text": "thing exactly like I did even last year."}, {"end": "02:28:03", "start": "02:27:58", "text": "But I I was consciously aware of"}, {"end": "02:28:04", "start": "02:28:01", "text": "everything until"}, {"end": "02:28:06", "start": "02:28:03", "text": "the"}, {"end": "02:28:09", "start": "02:28:04", "text": "the download or whatever."}, {"end": "02:28:13", "start": "02:28:06", "text": "Yeah. Until the curtain came down."}, {"end": "02:28:17", "start": "02:28:09", "text": "Um and then I was aware of what was"}, {"end": "02:28:20", "start": "02:28:13", "text": "happening. I couldn't see, but I felt"}, {"end": "02:28:21", "start": "02:28:17", "text": "the energy and the information. I could"}, {"end": "02:28:22", "start": "02:28:20", "text": "see the pictures as they were coming."}, {"end": "02:28:23", "start": "02:28:21", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "02:28:23", "start": "02:28:22", "text": "Really, really fast. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:28:26", "start": "02:28:23", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "02:28:28", "start": "02:28:23", "text": "And I could see colors."}, {"end": "02:28:29", "start": "02:28:26", "text": "Do you remember any anything at all? Any"}, {"end": "02:28:31", "start": "02:28:28", "text": "picture? Any like is it one? But it's"}, {"end": "02:28:34", "start": "02:28:29", "text": "real fuzzy and stupid."}, {"end": "02:28:37", "start": "02:28:31", "text": "Um, but I did have conscious awareness"}, {"end": "02:28:40", "start": "02:28:34", "text": "as the information's coming through. And"}, {"end": "02:28:43", "start": "02:28:37", "text": "I only know that because I well I"}, {"end": "02:28:46", "start": "02:28:40", "text": "remember knowing but then I also"}, {"end": "02:28:48", "start": "02:28:43", "text": "remember Heidi from time to time as"}, {"end": "02:28:48", "start": "02:28:46", "text": "them. Like again I it's hard using their"}, {"end": "02:28:49", "start": "02:28:48", "text": "names."}, {"end": "02:28:51", "start": "02:28:48", "text": "I totally get it."}, {"end": "02:28:55", "start": "02:28:49", "text": "It's hard to even explain all of this"}, {"end": "02:28:57", "start": "02:28:51", "text": "but uh they through her would"}, {"end": "02:29:00", "start": "02:28:55", "text": "occasionally say did you get that? Did"}, {"end": "02:29:03", "start": "02:28:57", "text": "you get that? So I was aware of what it"}, {"end": "02:29:07", "start": "02:29:00", "text": "was and I could sense"}, {"end": "02:29:11", "start": "02:29:03", "text": "the concepts and everything related to"}, {"end": "02:29:11", "start": "02:29:07", "text": "it. It wasn't just words. It was like"}, {"end": "02:29:13", "start": "02:29:11", "text": "standard."}, {"end": "02:29:14", "start": "02:29:11", "text": "It was a package like like a download"}, {"end": "02:29:18", "start": "02:29:13", "text": "information"}, {"end": "02:29:22", "start": "02:29:14", "text": "coming through so [\u00a0__\u00a0] fast."}, {"end": "02:29:23", "start": "02:29:18", "text": "It was um Yeah. But I I could see it in"}, {"end": "02:29:25", "start": "02:29:22", "text": "that moment"}, {"end": "02:29:27", "start": "02:29:23", "text": "and understand it conceptually and they"}, {"end": "02:29:29", "start": "02:29:25", "text": "would say, \"Did you get that? Did you"}, {"end": "02:29:32", "start": "02:29:27", "text": "get that?\" And it's just streaming from"}, {"end": "02:29:34", "start": "02:29:29", "text": "here and she's here monitoring it. She's"}, {"end": "02:29:35", "start": "02:29:32", "text": "seeing what I'm seeing, feeling what I'm"}, {"end": "02:29:39", "start": "02:29:34", "text": "feeling, experiencing what I'm"}, {"end": "02:29:41", "start": "02:29:35", "text": "experiencing. Um, and asking, \"Did I"}, {"end": "02:29:42", "start": "02:29:39", "text": "file that away? Did I understand that"}, {"end": "02:29:45", "start": "02:29:41", "text": "before it's filed away?\" Cuz once it was"}, {"end": "02:29:48", "start": "02:29:42", "text": "filed away, everything's gone."}, {"end": "02:29:50", "start": "02:29:45", "text": "To answer your question, the only little"}, {"end": "02:29:51", "start": "02:29:48", "text": "glimpse I have is of a a Brown building."}, {"end": "02:29:52", "start": "02:29:50", "text": "That's all I remember."}, {"end": "02:29:53", "start": "02:29:51", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "02:29:53", "start": "02:29:52", "text": "There's nothing."}, {"end": "02:29:55", "start": "02:29:53", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "02:29:58", "start": "02:29:53", "text": "they did a hell of a job. Also, speaking"}, {"end": "02:29:59", "start": "02:29:55", "text": "of, it amazes me, you know, not just"}, {"end": "02:30:02", "start": "02:29:58", "text": "that they could bring these two people"}, {"end": "02:30:04", "start": "02:29:59", "text": "together and me. I'm a kind of a wiry"}, {"end": "02:30:05", "start": "02:30:02", "text": "dude, but like bring all three of us"}, {"end": "02:30:08", "start": "02:30:04", "text": "together for this thing in the"}, {"end": "02:30:09", "start": "02:30:05", "text": "sequestered space at a a big conference"}, {"end": "02:30:10", "start": "02:30:08", "text": "with a lot of people,"}, {"end": "02:30:14", "start": "02:30:09", "text": "very populated,"}, {"end": "02:30:17", "start": "02:30:10", "text": "but then also put things in my brain"}, {"end": "02:30:19", "start": "02:30:14", "text": "that I don't have access to."}, {"end": "02:30:20", "start": "02:30:17", "text": "Like, how do you how do you do that? You"}, {"end": "02:30:22", "start": "02:30:19", "text": "know, that's that's and on top of"}, {"end": "02:30:24", "start": "02:30:20", "text": "everything else, like that just amazes"}, {"end": "02:30:26", "start": "02:30:22", "text": "me that it's apparently time release"}, {"end": "02:30:28", "start": "02:30:24", "text": "because they said at some point I will"}, {"end": "02:30:30", "start": "02:30:26", "text": "know what it is. It's it's being put"}, {"end": "02:30:33", "start": "02:30:28", "text": "away, which again indicates some sort of"}, {"end": "02:30:35", "start": "02:30:30", "text": "future knowledge that these things we"}, {"end": "02:30:37", "start": "02:30:33", "text": "want to put them in your brain for some"}, {"end": "02:30:39", "start": "02:30:35", "text": "future time or times. Three things."}, {"end": "02:30:40", "start": "02:30:37", "text": "Three things specifically. That's what"}, {"end": "02:30:43", "start": "02:30:39", "text": "they said. Do you think one of those"}, {"end": "02:30:45", "start": "02:30:40", "text": "things was perhaps um the following book"}, {"end": "02:30:46", "start": "02:30:43", "text": "that you wrote because you said that it"}, {"end": "02:30:49", "start": "02:30:45", "text": "did come from a place where you didn't"}, {"end": "02:30:51", "start": "02:30:46", "text": "feel like you wrote it? Um, maybe I was"}, {"end": "02:30:53", "start": "02:30:49", "text": "working on the book at that time. It's"}, {"end": "02:30:55", "start": "02:30:51", "text": "possible. I I don't know. Well, and"}, {"end": "02:31:00", "start": "02:30:53", "text": "that's the problem is I can't ever know."}, {"end": "02:31:00", "start": "02:30:55", "text": "Do you Do you think you will know"}, {"end": "02:31:04", "start": "02:31:00", "text": "when that time comes?"}, {"end": "02:31:08", "start": "02:31:03", "text": "I don't know, man. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:31:08", "start": "02:31:04", "text": "It's It's so hard. Like,"}, {"end": "02:31:12", "start": "02:31:08", "text": "if I don't know what it is, can I ever"}, {"end": "02:31:16", "start": "02:31:10", "text": "know when it comes out?"}, {"end": "02:31:18", "start": "02:31:12", "text": "Unless the timestamp is like related to"}, {"end": "02:31:19", "start": "02:31:16", "text": "something. So"}, {"end": "02:31:20", "start": "02:31:18", "text": "yeah,"}, {"end": "02:31:20", "start": "02:31:19", "text": "just"}, {"end": "02:31:25", "start": "02:31:20", "text": "bizarre"}, {"end": "02:31:27", "start": "02:31:20", "text": "bizarre or foundational or impactful or"}, {"end": "02:31:30", "start": "02:31:25", "text": "or if it does have like a little trigger"}, {"end": "02:31:32", "start": "02:31:27", "text": "like oh those those I I don't know"}, {"end": "02:31:35", "start": "02:31:30", "text": "or does it come from like creative"}, {"end": "02:31:37", "start": "02:31:32", "text": "inspiration like kind of like a muse or"}, {"end": "02:31:39", "start": "02:31:35", "text": "like uh you know in some form"}, {"end": "02:31:41", "start": "02:31:37", "text": "and there was no context on that there"}, {"end": "02:31:43", "start": "02:31:39", "text": "was it was only these three things for"}, {"end": "02:31:45", "start": "02:31:41", "text": "some future time or times."}, {"end": "02:31:48", "start": "02:31:43", "text": "Are you okay with this? So, I want to go"}, {"end": "02:31:50", "start": "02:31:45", "text": "through now that this is done. I want to"}, {"end": "02:31:54", "start": "02:31:48", "text": "loop back to Eric and Heidi afterwards."}, {"end": "02:31:57", "start": "02:31:50", "text": "Um, but for now, I would love to just uh"}, {"end": "02:31:58", "start": "02:31:54", "text": "get the rest of what happens here. You"}, {"end": "02:32:00", "start": "02:31:57", "text": "get up."}, {"end": "02:32:01", "start": "02:31:58", "text": "You say, \"Well, thank you for the"}, {"end": "02:32:02", "start": "02:32:00", "text": "download.\""}, {"end": "02:32:05", "start": "02:32:01", "text": "You don't say anything."}, {"end": "02:32:07", "start": "02:32:02", "text": "I was just in a complete and utter days."}, {"end": "02:32:10", "start": "02:32:05", "text": "Just in a days. What would you compare"}, {"end": "02:32:12", "start": "02:32:07", "text": "that days to? like um being like"}, {"end": "02:32:14", "start": "02:32:10", "text": "sleepwalking or like being like on some"}, {"end": "02:32:16", "start": "02:32:12", "text": "type of drug or like what would that"}, {"end": "02:32:18", "start": "02:32:14", "text": "days be akin to?"}, {"end": "02:32:20", "start": "02:32:16", "text": "Um I mean like we were talking about"}, {"end": "02:32:22", "start": "02:32:18", "text": "earlier the"}, {"end": "02:32:24", "start": "02:32:20", "text": "fasting you know like once you approach"}, {"end": "02:32:25", "start": "02:32:22", "text": "the 42hour mark on a fast"}, {"end": "02:32:29", "start": "02:32:24", "text": "almost delirious"}, {"end": "02:32:30", "start": "02:32:25", "text": "delirious and just heavy like my head"}, {"end": "02:32:31", "start": "02:32:29", "text": "felt so heavy."}, {"end": "02:32:33", "start": "02:32:30", "text": "You needed to go lie down."}, {"end": "02:32:35", "start": "02:32:31", "text": "I did and that's what I did. Yeah. So I"}, {"end": "02:32:39", "start": "02:32:33", "text": "walk through what now is a busy room of"}, {"end": "02:32:41", "start": "02:32:35", "text": "people. Um, I walk by a woman, hand on"}, {"end": "02:32:44", "start": "02:32:39", "text": "the arm. Are you okay? Uh-huh. Walk out"}, {"end": "02:32:47", "start": "02:32:41", "text": "the door. Fortunately, my room was on"}, {"end": "02:32:49", "start": "02:32:44", "text": "the same floor, just down a little bit."}, {"end": "02:32:52", "start": "02:32:47", "text": "Uh, apparently I didn't remember this"}, {"end": "02:32:55", "start": "02:32:49", "text": "consciously cuz after the mind [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:32:56", "start": "02:32:52", "text": "things did get fuzzy before that crystal"}, {"end": "02:32:57", "start": "02:32:55", "text": "clear. I remembered everything."}, {"end": "02:32:59", "start": "02:32:56", "text": "You had a nap, too."}, {"end": "02:33:01", "start": "02:32:57", "text": "Perfectly. The nap probably did have"}, {"end": "02:33:02", "start": "02:32:59", "text": "something to do with that, honestly."}, {"end": "02:33:05", "start": "02:33:01", "text": "But I mean, you were you were like"}, {"end": "02:33:07", "start": "02:33:02", "text": "awake. You weren't in a state where you"}, {"end": "02:33:08", "start": "02:33:05", "text": "were tired like you'd had a drink or two"}, {"end": "02:33:12", "start": "02:33:07", "text": "and like everything was fine."}, {"end": "02:33:15", "start": "02:33:08", "text": "Yeah. No, I was I was quite"}, {"end": "02:33:17", "start": "02:33:12", "text": "cognitively aware of everything. Um"}, {"end": "02:33:18", "start": "02:33:15", "text": "but apparently I walked out and I did"}, {"end": "02:33:19", "start": "02:33:17", "text": "remember this after they said it, but I"}, {"end": "02:33:21", "start": "02:33:18", "text": "walked out and the two conference"}, {"end": "02:33:24", "start": "02:33:19", "text": "organizers"}, {"end": "02:33:27", "start": "02:33:21", "text": "um were coming into that room as I was"}, {"end": "02:33:28", "start": "02:33:24", "text": "leaving and they just assumed I was like"}, {"end": "02:33:30", "start": "02:33:27", "text": "drunk or something and it was still"}, {"end": "02:33:32", "start": "02:33:28", "text": "pretty early. I again I don't know what"}, {"end": "02:33:34", "start": "02:33:30", "text": "time it was but I guess I looked at them"}, {"end": "02:33:36", "start": "02:33:32", "text": "and said I think someone was in my mind"}, {"end": "02:33:38", "start": "02:33:34", "text": "and then just kind of walked past them"}, {"end": "02:33:41", "start": "02:33:36", "text": "and and went and laid down. But I did"}, {"end": "02:33:43", "start": "02:33:38", "text": "meet up with them in Phoenix um about a"}, {"end": "02:33:45", "start": "02:33:41", "text": "year and a half later and told them"}, {"end": "02:33:48", "start": "02:33:43", "text": "about this, you know, start to finish."}, {"end": "02:33:50", "start": "02:33:45", "text": "And Alejandro knew something weird had"}, {"end": "02:33:51", "start": "02:33:48", "text": "happened cuz I guess Heidi had told him"}, {"end": "02:33:54", "start": "02:33:50", "text": "something weird had happened even though"}, {"end": "02:33:58", "start": "02:33:51", "text": "she didn't really fully understand what."}, {"end": "02:34:00", "start": "02:33:54", "text": "And the next morning on Sunday, uh, he"}, {"end": "02:34:02", "start": "02:33:58", "text": "was like, \"So, something crazy went down"}, {"end": "02:34:04", "start": "02:34:00", "text": "last night.\" I was just like, \"Uh.\""}, {"end": "02:34:06", "start": "02:34:02", "text": "And he was like, \"Oh, really?\" I was"}, {"end": "02:34:08", "start": "02:34:04", "text": "like, \"Yeah, yeah.\" Like I couldn't talk"}, {"end": "02:34:09", "start": "02:34:06", "text": "about it. It was just so overwhelming."}, {"end": "02:34:09", "start": "02:34:08", "text": "It It"}, {"end": "02:34:11", "start": "02:34:09", "text": "It terrified you."}, {"end": "02:34:13", "start": "02:34:09", "text": "It terrified me. I mean, it it didn't it"}, {"end": "02:34:14", "start": "02:34:11", "text": "didn't. It was like"}, {"end": "02:34:17", "start": "02:34:13", "text": "I mean, it is jarring."}, {"end": "02:34:21", "start": "02:34:14", "text": "The event didn't terrify me, but having"}, {"end": "02:34:23", "start": "02:34:17", "text": "this new It was ontological shock."}, {"end": "02:34:26", "start": "02:34:21", "text": "having this new perspective opened up"}, {"end": "02:34:27", "start": "02:34:23", "text": "that I didn't know existed or that these"}, {"end": "02:34:29", "start": "02:34:26", "text": "things can exist."}, {"end": "02:34:32", "start": "02:34:27", "text": "It's a terrifying thing. I'll tell you"}, {"end": "02:34:35", "start": "02:34:29", "text": "like that's that's"}, {"end": "02:34:37", "start": "02:34:32", "text": "I I don't know how anyone should react"}, {"end": "02:34:41", "start": "02:34:35", "text": "to something like that. I mean that that"}, {"end": "02:34:44", "start": "02:34:37", "text": "seems to me so foreign and um it's"}, {"end": "02:34:45", "start": "02:34:41", "text": "scary. It's a scary scary ordeal. Yeah,"}, {"end": "02:34:47", "start": "02:34:44", "text": "maybe I've just been downplaying that"}, {"end": "02:34:51", "start": "02:34:45", "text": "part of it, but I do remember walking"}, {"end": "02:34:54", "start": "02:34:47", "text": "out. So yeah, I keep skipping to these"}, {"end": "02:34:57", "start": "02:34:51", "text": "different that's fine places, but I did"}, {"end": "02:34:59", "start": "02:34:54", "text": "lay down uh feet still on the floor,"}, {"end": "02:35:02", "start": "02:34:57", "text": "clothes still on, and just slept in that"}, {"end": "02:35:07", "start": "02:34:59", "text": "position for what I think was 12 to 13"}, {"end": "02:35:08", "start": "02:35:02", "text": "hours. Um, got up and then this is the"}, {"end": "02:35:10", "start": "02:35:07", "text": "weird part too that I don't fully"}, {"end": "02:35:13", "start": "02:35:08", "text": "understand, but I I started crying"}, {"end": "02:35:16", "start": "02:35:10", "text": "uncontrollably. Like I just couldn't not"}, {"end": "02:35:19", "start": "02:35:13", "text": "cry. Texted my wife like something weird"}, {"end": "02:35:21", "start": "02:35:16", "text": "happened. um can't stop crime and then"}, {"end": "02:35:25", "start": "02:35:19", "text": "finally got it together like enough cuz"}, {"end": "02:35:27", "start": "02:35:21", "text": "I was starving. I was really hungry and"}, {"end": "02:35:29", "start": "02:35:25", "text": "I went to the elevator and right in"}, {"end": "02:35:31", "start": "02:35:27", "text": "front of this elevator you can see the"}, {"end": "02:35:33", "start": "02:35:29", "text": "balcony where it happened"}, {"end": "02:35:35", "start": "02:35:31", "text": "and I do think maybe I was a little"}, {"end": "02:35:37", "start": "02:35:33", "text": "scared cuz I saw the chair sitting there"}, {"end": "02:35:38", "start": "02:35:35", "text": "and there was like a panic moment."}, {"end": "02:35:40", "start": "02:35:37", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:35:42", "start": "02:35:38", "text": "Like oh [\u00a0__\u00a0] flashback that was that was"}, {"end": "02:35:45", "start": "02:35:40", "text": "all real like that happened and and"}, {"end": "02:35:46", "start": "02:35:42", "text": "Yeah. And then I went to this uh"}, {"end": "02:35:49", "start": "02:35:45", "text": "restaurant, unfortunately. Got seated"}, {"end": "02:35:52", "start": "02:35:46", "text": "right at the front for like the peak"}, {"end": "02:35:54", "start": "02:35:49", "text": "Sunday after church crowd and I'm losing"}, {"end": "02:35:56", "start": "02:35:52", "text": "my [\u00a0__\u00a0] mind and I'm just sitting"}, {"end": "02:35:59", "start": "02:35:54", "text": "there trying to eat this food as fast as"}, {"end": "02:36:03", "start": "02:35:56", "text": "possible. Walk back, still can't stop"}, {"end": "02:36:07", "start": "02:35:59", "text": "crying. Um went to take a a book to my"}, {"end": "02:36:09", "start": "02:36:03", "text": "friend um who was in the lobby. I think"}, {"end": "02:36:12", "start": "02:36:07", "text": "he was working the registration table or"}, {"end": "02:36:14", "start": "02:36:09", "text": "something. And uh as I'm doing that uh"}, {"end": "02:36:16", "start": "02:36:12", "text": "this Eric guy who again I don't know"}, {"end": "02:36:20", "start": "02:36:14", "text": "what he is or who he is at that time"}, {"end": "02:36:22", "start": "02:36:16", "text": "comes walking through the same lobby the"}, {"end": "02:36:24", "start": "02:36:20", "text": "same main entrance to this conference"}, {"end": "02:36:26", "start": "02:36:22", "text": "past that table John do over I was going"}, {"end": "02:36:29", "start": "02:36:24", "text": "to see and and puts his hand on my"}, {"end": "02:36:32", "start": "02:36:26", "text": "shoulder and says are you okay and I was"}, {"end": "02:36:35", "start": "02:36:29", "text": "still just like what the [\u00a0__\u00a0] is"}, {"end": "02:36:36", "start": "02:36:32", "text": "happening and just kind of went uh-huh"}, {"end": "02:36:40", "start": "02:36:35", "text": "that's all I could do like about any of"}, {"end": "02:36:45", "start": "02:36:36", "text": "this like I could only say uh-huh I was"}, {"end": "02:36:46", "start": "02:36:40", "text": "I wasn't okay, you know, like I knew"}, {"end": "02:36:48", "start": "02:36:45", "text": "something weird had happened."}, {"end": "02:36:48", "start": "02:36:46", "text": "And Eric knew as well, obviously."}, {"end": "02:36:50", "start": "02:36:48", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "02:36:51", "start": "02:36:48", "text": "Cuz people probably told him, too. What"}, {"end": "02:36:55", "start": "02:36:50", "text": "was that?"}, {"end": "02:36:55", "start": "02:36:51", "text": "Well, yeah, but again, was he Eric at"}, {"end": "02:36:57", "start": "02:36:55", "text": "that moment,"}, {"end": "02:36:57", "start": "02:36:55", "text": "right? Where he said, \"Are you okay?\""}, {"end": "02:36:59", "start": "02:36:57", "text": "You mean,"}, {"end": "02:37:02", "start": "02:36:57", "text": "and how did he know if I was going to be"}, {"end": "02:37:04", "start": "02:36:59", "text": "in that exact spot to intercept me?"}, {"end": "02:37:08", "start": "02:37:02", "text": "It almost felt like they came back. uh"}, {"end": "02:37:12", "start": "02:37:04", "text": "just to check up on you and to alleviate"}, {"end": "02:37:14", "start": "02:37:08", "text": "a lot of the problems I was having. I"}, {"end": "02:37:16", "start": "02:37:12", "text": "think they realized that they kind of"}, {"end": "02:37:19", "start": "02:37:14", "text": "messed me up a little more than they had"}, {"end": "02:37:21", "start": "02:37:16", "text": "anticipated and I still had to be on a"}, {"end": "02:37:23", "start": "02:37:19", "text": "panel a couple hours later with a bunch"}, {"end": "02:37:25", "start": "02:37:21", "text": "of people. I still had to go to the"}, {"end": "02:37:28", "start": "02:37:23", "text": "wrap-up banquet that night, like an"}, {"end": "02:37:30", "start": "02:37:25", "text": "awards ceremony thing. I wasn't I wasn't"}, {"end": "02:37:33", "start": "02:37:28", "text": "doing very well. I said, \"Uh-huh.\" But I"}, {"end": "02:37:35", "start": "02:37:30", "text": "wasn't. And I I know that because of the"}, {"end": "02:37:37", "start": "02:37:33", "text": "uncontrollable crying, the panic"}, {"end": "02:37:41", "start": "02:37:35", "text": "response I had when I saw the chairs on"}, {"end": "02:37:43", "start": "02:37:37", "text": "the balcony. Um the complete disconnect"}, {"end": "02:37:46", "start": "02:37:41", "text": "with my fellow humans as I was sitting"}, {"end": "02:37:50", "start": "02:37:43", "text": "there trying to scarf down food on a"}, {"end": "02:37:52", "start": "02:37:46", "text": "Sunday afternoon. Um so it wasn't just"}, {"end": "02:37:54", "start": "02:37:50", "text": "are you okay? Hey, everything's going to"}, {"end": "02:37:57", "start": "02:37:52", "text": "be fine. They did something in that"}, {"end": "02:37:59", "start": "02:37:54", "text": "moment to help me get through the rest"}, {"end": "02:38:00", "start": "02:37:57", "text": "of that day. Um,"}, {"end": "02:38:02", "start": "02:37:59", "text": "that's why he put his hand on your"}, {"end": "02:38:03", "start": "02:38:00", "text": "shoulder potentially."}, {"end": "02:38:04", "start": "02:38:02", "text": "It must have been"}, {"end": "02:38:06", "start": "02:38:03", "text": "must have been something."}, {"end": "02:38:06", "start": "02:38:04", "text": "Physical contact was an important part"}, {"end": "02:38:08", "start": "02:38:06", "text": "of this."}, {"end": "02:38:10", "start": "02:38:06", "text": "Yeah. Proximity."}, {"end": "02:38:15", "start": "02:38:08", "text": "It started with that. It started with"}, {"end": "02:38:17", "start": "02:38:10", "text": "that like just leg leg, face, eyes."}, {"end": "02:38:18", "start": "02:38:15", "text": "Uh, I think he had his hand on my leg at"}, {"end": "02:38:21", "start": "02:38:17", "text": "one point as well. Heidi's hand was on"}, {"end": "02:38:23", "start": "02:38:18", "text": "my shoulder. There was some sort of"}, {"end": "02:38:26", "start": "02:38:21", "text": "energy exchange happening beyond just"}, {"end": "02:38:29", "start": "02:38:23", "text": "what they were shooting in my face."}, {"end": "02:38:31", "start": "02:38:26", "text": "So, okay."}, {"end": "02:38:33", "start": "02:38:29", "text": "the uncontrollable crying thing is is"}, {"end": "02:38:36", "start": "02:38:31", "text": "really interesting too because it um you"}, {"end": "02:38:39", "start": "02:38:33", "text": "know as someone when I was deep into"}, {"end": "02:38:40", "start": "02:38:36", "text": "like meditation um still am but there"}, {"end": "02:38:42", "start": "02:38:39", "text": "was a point during the beginning where"}, {"end": "02:38:42", "start": "02:38:40", "text": "I'd hit something."}, {"end": "02:38:44", "start": "02:38:42", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "02:38:46", "start": "02:38:42", "text": "And it happened to me. I had like this"}, {"end": "02:38:47", "start": "02:38:44", "text": "emotional release. I didn't know why. I"}, {"end": "02:38:49", "start": "02:38:46", "text": "didn't know"}, {"end": "02:38:52", "start": "02:38:47", "text": "what was going on. I was in a state of"}, {"end": "02:38:54", "start": "02:38:49", "text": "like just I guess"}, {"end": "02:38:55", "start": "02:38:52", "text": "it it felt like gratitude for me. Like I"}, {"end": "02:38:57", "start": "02:38:54", "text": "felt like this like crazy gratitude like"}, {"end": "02:38:59", "start": "02:38:55", "text": "I had to cry it out. Uh, but there was"}, {"end": "02:39:01", "start": "02:38:57", "text": "no I had nothing. I had no thoughts in"}, {"end": "02:39:03", "start": "02:38:59", "text": "my mind, you know, that would that would"}, {"end": "02:39:05", "start": "02:39:01", "text": "make that happen. But, um,"}, {"end": "02:39:06", "start": "02:39:03", "text": "you didn't feel sad or anything? No."}, {"end": "02:39:09", "start": "02:39:05", "text": "No, I didn't either. There wasn't a"}, {"end": "02:39:11", "start": "02:39:06", "text": "sense of like sad or"}, {"end": "02:39:14", "start": "02:39:09", "text": "like obviously fear was an underlying"}, {"end": "02:39:16", "start": "02:39:11", "text": "part, but I that's not why I was crying."}, {"end": "02:39:17", "start": "02:39:14", "text": "Yeah. It was like a release like a"}, {"end": "02:39:20", "start": "02:39:16", "text": "almost like a pressure valve for me."}, {"end": "02:39:22", "start": "02:39:17", "text": "Yeah. I think Yeah, that's I think"}, {"end": "02:39:23", "start": "02:39:20", "text": "that's what it was for me."}, {"end": "02:39:26", "start": "02:39:22", "text": "Like, oh, that felt, you know, I needed"}, {"end": "02:39:28", "start": "02:39:23", "text": "that sort of release. That's a really"}, {"end": "02:39:30", "start": "02:39:26", "text": "good way of putting it. That's what it"}, {"end": "02:39:33", "start": "02:39:28", "text": "felt like too,"}, {"end": "02:39:35", "start": "02:39:30", "text": "you know, like you had too too too much"}, {"end": "02:39:36", "start": "02:39:33", "text": "bottled up for that physical body to"}, {"end": "02:39:38", "start": "02:39:35", "text": "really deal with in that instance and"}, {"end": "02:39:38", "start": "02:39:36", "text": "you had to have this sort of emotional"}, {"end": "02:39:40", "start": "02:39:38", "text": "release."}, {"end": "02:39:43", "start": "02:39:38", "text": "Yeah. No, that's a really that's a"}, {"end": "02:39:45", "start": "02:39:40", "text": "really good good description. Um,"}, {"end": "02:39:47", "start": "02:39:43", "text": "another example of this, I was I was elk"}, {"end": "02:39:49", "start": "02:39:45", "text": "hunting with a buddy of mine from"}, {"end": "02:39:52", "start": "02:39:47", "text": "Bosezeman and telling him about this"}, {"end": "02:39:54", "start": "02:39:49", "text": "thing. Um we had some time cuz there"}, {"end": "02:39:57", "start": "02:39:52", "text": "weren't elk where we went so we just"}, {"end": "02:40:00", "start": "02:39:54", "text": "shot the [\u00a0__\u00a0] and um he was like you"}, {"end": "02:40:03", "start": "02:39:57", "text": "know I I was in India once and I went"}, {"end": "02:40:05", "start": "02:40:00", "text": "and visited this this guru and I was"}, {"end": "02:40:07", "start": "02:40:03", "text": "walking up and I just heard her talking"}, {"end": "02:40:09", "start": "02:40:05", "text": "in my mind and I was like well what's"}, {"end": "02:40:12", "start": "02:40:07", "text": "she saying? He like recounted what she"}, {"end": "02:40:14", "start": "02:40:09", "text": "said and how like it was impactful and"}, {"end": "02:40:16", "start": "02:40:12", "text": "he said that he went down to this river"}, {"end": "02:40:18", "start": "02:40:14", "text": "and sat by the river and just cried for"}, {"end": "02:40:19", "start": "02:40:16", "text": "like an hour."}, {"end": "02:40:22", "start": "02:40:18", "text": "But he said the same thing. It wasn't"}, {"end": "02:40:24", "start": "02:40:19", "text": "like what was said or anything. It just"}, {"end": "02:40:25", "start": "02:40:22", "text": "it triggered that sort of emotional"}, {"end": "02:40:30", "start": "02:40:24", "text": "response in him too in this post-t"}, {"end": "02:40:31", "start": "02:40:25", "text": "telepathy interaction. Um yeah, I don't"}, {"end": "02:40:32", "start": "02:40:30", "text": "know. Maybe it was the same thing for"}, {"end": "02:40:34", "start": "02:40:31", "text": "him too. Like some sort of valve"}, {"end": "02:40:38", "start": "02:40:32", "text": "release."}, {"end": "02:40:40", "start": "02:40:34", "text": "Yeah. So just just a maybe that's the um"}, {"end": "02:40:42", "start": "02:40:38", "text": "body's physiological way of coping with"}, {"end": "02:40:44", "start": "02:40:40", "text": "like onlogical shock as well or"}, {"end": "02:40:48", "start": "02:40:42", "text": "Yeah. Cuz that was his first and only"}, {"end": "02:40:49", "start": "02:40:44", "text": "telepathic experience. Um Yeah. And it,"}, {"end": "02:40:51", "start": "02:40:48", "text": "you know, it's easy to say, \"Oh, well,"}, {"end": "02:40:55", "start": "02:40:49", "text": "it messed you up and you were just, you"}, {"end": "02:40:57", "start": "02:40:51", "text": "know, overwhelmed, but it it just didn't"}, {"end": "02:40:58", "start": "02:40:55", "text": "feel like that, you know, but I also"}, {"end": "02:40:58", "start": "02:40:57", "text": "couldn't stop.\""}, {"end": "02:41:00", "start": "02:40:58", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:41:01", "start": "02:40:58", "text": "Until they brought him back or he came"}, {"end": "02:41:03", "start": "02:41:00", "text": "back or however that"}, {"end": "02:41:05", "start": "02:41:01", "text": "you weren't okay until then."}, {"end": "02:41:07", "start": "02:41:03", "text": "No. Like I don't think I could have"}, {"end": "02:41:11", "start": "02:41:05", "text": "finished that conference. And I I tried"}, {"end": "02:41:14", "start": "02:41:07", "text": "to tell somebody about it too. Um, and"}, {"end": "02:41:16", "start": "02:41:11", "text": "it for for quite some time actually,"}, {"end": "02:41:19", "start": "02:41:14", "text": "like the first couple months when I"}, {"end": "02:41:20", "start": "02:41:16", "text": "would tell people about this, they would"}, {"end": "02:41:24", "start": "02:41:19", "text": "get the same look on their face, just"}, {"end": "02:41:27", "start": "02:41:20", "text": "like this dead blank stare."}, {"end": "02:41:29", "start": "02:41:24", "text": "And I I would love to know why each one"}, {"end": "02:41:31", "start": "02:41:27", "text": "of them had the exact same look"}, {"end": "02:41:32", "start": "02:41:29", "text": "regardless of who it was. It was just"}, {"end": "02:41:34", "start": "02:41:31", "text": "like"}, {"end": "02:41:35", "start": "02:41:32", "text": "and and you know, it's one thing because"}, {"end": "02:41:38", "start": "02:41:34", "text": "they were all very different people."}, {"end": "02:41:40", "start": "02:41:35", "text": "Like it was two fellow speakers at this"}, {"end": "02:41:42", "start": "02:41:38", "text": "conference. So, we were just standing"}, {"end": "02:41:43", "start": "02:41:40", "text": "next to this table and I was like, you"}, {"end": "02:41:44", "start": "02:41:42", "text": "know, the craziest [\u00a0__\u00a0] thing"}, {"end": "02:41:46", "start": "02:41:43", "text": "happened last night. I'm telling them."}, {"end": "02:41:47", "start": "02:41:44", "text": "And both of them had this completely"}, {"end": "02:41:49", "start": "02:41:46", "text": "dead look and then just turned and"}, {"end": "02:41:49", "start": "02:41:47", "text": "walked away."}, {"end": "02:41:53", "start": "02:41:49", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "02:41:56", "start": "02:41:49", "text": "Like I don't Whoa. So like the event"}, {"end": "02:41:59", "start": "02:41:53", "text": "like you said like rippled onto"}, {"end": "02:42:01", "start": "02:41:56", "text": "onto others like it like somehow"}, {"end": "02:42:03", "start": "02:41:59", "text": "the collective consciousness was like"}, {"end": "02:42:06", "start": "02:42:01", "text": "tapped into at that event through people"}, {"end": "02:42:09", "start": "02:42:03", "text": "and that there was this you know perhaps"}, {"end": "02:42:12", "start": "02:42:06", "text": "this like uh this firewall or something."}, {"end": "02:42:13", "start": "02:42:09", "text": "I I like that interpretation better. I"}, {"end": "02:42:15", "start": "02:42:12", "text": "thought they were just being dicks like"}, {"end": "02:42:17", "start": "02:42:13", "text": "but but also I know one of them. I"}, {"end": "02:42:19", "start": "02:42:15", "text": "consider him a friend. The other one I"}, {"end": "02:42:21", "start": "02:42:17", "text": "know pretty well too. It didn't seem"}, {"end": "02:42:22", "start": "02:42:19", "text": "like a normal response to that. There"}, {"end": "02:42:24", "start": "02:42:21", "text": "wasn't a follow-up question. There"}, {"end": "02:42:25", "start": "02:42:22", "text": "wasn't even like a Whoa, that's crazy."}, {"end": "02:42:26", "start": "02:42:24", "text": "Especially at a conference."}, {"end": "02:42:27", "start": "02:42:25", "text": "Boom."}, {"end": "02:42:28", "start": "02:42:26", "text": "You would definitely have a follow-up"}, {"end": "02:42:29", "start": "02:42:27", "text": "question."}, {"end": "02:42:31", "start": "02:42:28", "text": "You would think so."}, {"end": "02:42:32", "start": "02:42:29", "text": "At a That's the place like that"}, {"end": "02:42:33", "start": "02:42:31", "text": "where you would have a follow-up"}, {"end": "02:42:34", "start": "02:42:32", "text": "question"}, {"end": "02:42:37", "start": "02:42:33", "text": "like, yeah. Oh, wait. What? What? What"}, {"end": "02:42:40", "start": "02:42:34", "text": "else did they say? How did this Nothing."}, {"end": "02:42:41", "start": "02:42:37", "text": "Just completely blank face turned and"}, {"end": "02:42:42", "start": "02:42:40", "text": "just walked away. I was like, what what"}, {"end": "02:42:44", "start": "02:42:41", "text": "a bunch of dicks."}, {"end": "02:42:47", "start": "02:42:42", "text": "Oh my god. And that probably doesn't"}, {"end": "02:42:48", "start": "02:42:44", "text": "help the the whole fear thing that's"}, {"end": "02:42:52", "start": "02:42:47", "text": "that's happening to you."}, {"end": "02:42:55", "start": "02:42:48", "text": "No, I mean by that time it was like"}, {"end": "02:42:57", "start": "02:42:52", "text": "better because of the other lobby"}, {"end": "02:42:59", "start": "02:42:55", "text": "interaction which was clearly an"}, {"end": "02:43:00", "start": "02:42:57", "text": "intervention. It was clearly I mean the"}, {"end": "02:43:02", "start": "02:42:59", "text": "whole thing was an intervention."}, {"end": "02:43:05", "start": "02:43:00", "text": "Um and I often wonder like how much of"}, {"end": "02:43:07", "start": "02:43:02", "text": "it was please don't quit doing this like"}, {"end": "02:43:09", "start": "02:43:05", "text": "you were thinking about versus the three"}, {"end": "02:43:10", "start": "02:43:07", "text": "things we need to put in your brain like"}, {"end": "02:43:12", "start": "02:43:09", "text": "was that a follow-up thing? Oh, like"}, {"end": "02:43:15", "start": "02:43:10", "text": "while we're here, can we shoot this"}, {"end": "02:43:17", "start": "02:43:12", "text": "stuff into your brain? Or was the we"}, {"end": "02:43:19", "start": "02:43:15", "text": "know you're going to quit"}, {"end": "02:43:20", "start": "02:43:17", "text": "sort of a a key to the door like"}, {"end": "02:43:24", "start": "02:43:19", "text": "to allow you in?"}, {"end": "02:43:27", "start": "02:43:20", "text": "Yeah. To like shock me to my core, you"}, {"end": "02:43:30", "start": "02:43:24", "text": "know? But which one was the actual"}, {"end": "02:43:33", "start": "02:43:27", "text": "reason for them being there? Okay. Did"}, {"end": "02:43:36", "start": "02:43:30", "text": "you Okay. How long after this happened"}, {"end": "02:43:39", "start": "02:43:33", "text": "did you end up speaking to Heidi and"}, {"end": "02:43:40", "start": "02:43:36", "text": "Eric? You said a year uh with Heidi or"}, {"end": "02:43:42", "start": "02:43:39", "text": "was it Was there any interaction before"}, {"end": "02:43:47", "start": "02:43:40", "text": "that?"}, {"end": "02:43:50", "start": "02:43:42", "text": "No, not at all. Um I I kind of just"}, {"end": "02:43:52", "start": "02:43:47", "text": "wanted I I was having trouble processing"}, {"end": "02:43:57", "start": "02:43:50", "text": "it. I reached out to some people that I"}, {"end": "02:43:59", "start": "02:43:52", "text": "trust who I knew could maybe help. um he"}, {"end": "02:44:03", "start": "02:43:57", "text": "wouldn't mind me saying cuz he's already"}, {"end": "02:44:05", "start": "02:43:59", "text": "said on his podcast, but Darren King um"}, {"end": "02:44:10", "start": "02:44:03", "text": "somewhat synchronistically I happen to"}, {"end": "02:44:12", "start": "02:44:05", "text": "be listening to his podcast"}, {"end": "02:44:14", "start": "02:44:10", "text": "um he's got the liinal frames one but"}, {"end": "02:44:16", "start": "02:44:12", "text": "also one called Point of Convergence"}, {"end": "02:44:19", "start": "02:44:14", "text": "which he happened to be describing some"}, {"end": "02:44:21", "start": "02:44:16", "text": "experiences he had and I kind of knew"}, {"end": "02:44:22", "start": "02:44:19", "text": "him enough to reach out and be like hey"}, {"end": "02:44:24", "start": "02:44:21", "text": "man you know something really weird"}, {"end": "02:44:25", "start": "02:44:22", "text": "happened to me I really need somebody to"}, {"end": "02:44:26", "start": "02:44:24", "text": "talk to about it cuz I don't know what"}, {"end": "02:44:29", "start": "02:44:25", "text": "to do with"}, {"end": "02:44:30", "start": "02:44:26", "text": "And so we got on a zoom. I told him the"}, {"end": "02:44:32", "start": "02:44:29", "text": "whole thing pretty soon after it"}, {"end": "02:44:35", "start": "02:44:30", "text": "happened like maybe a month or so after"}, {"end": "02:44:38", "start": "02:44:32", "text": "it happened. Also reached out to my"}, {"end": "02:44:41", "start": "02:44:35", "text": "friend um Dr. Hussein Ali Gramma. He's"}, {"end": "02:44:44", "start": "02:44:38", "text": "um a anthropology professor at"}, {"end": "02:44:47", "start": "02:44:41", "text": "University of Chicago who"}, {"end": "02:44:49", "start": "02:44:44", "text": "I also know and trust has had a lot of"}, {"end": "02:44:52", "start": "02:44:47", "text": "you know he's researched a lot of"}, {"end": "02:44:54", "start": "02:44:49", "text": "things. So I told him, but really just"}, {"end": "02:44:56", "start": "02:44:52", "text": "those two people and my my wife"}, {"end": "02:44:58", "start": "02:44:54", "text": "obviously"}, {"end": "02:45:00", "start": "02:44:56", "text": "was, you know, any relationship you have"}, {"end": "02:45:02", "start": "02:44:58", "text": "people that"}, {"end": "02:45:04", "start": "02:45:00", "text": "kind of help with the foundation that we"}, {"end": "02:45:06", "start": "02:45:02", "text": "all stand on. She's obviously one of"}, {"end": "02:45:08", "start": "02:45:04", "text": "those people. Um, but otherwise it was"}, {"end": "02:45:10", "start": "02:45:06", "text": "kind of hard to touch and deal with,"}, {"end": "02:45:12", "start": "02:45:08", "text": "especially because there were so many"}, {"end": "02:45:15", "start": "02:45:10", "text": "little ripple effects and other weird"}, {"end": "02:45:18", "start": "02:45:12", "text": "things that were happening. two of which"}, {"end": "02:45:21", "start": "02:45:15", "text": "were almost identical to that balcony"}, {"end": "02:45:24", "start": "02:45:18", "text": "experience but without the extra people."}, {"end": "02:45:26", "start": "02:45:21", "text": "So take it or leave it. You know, I"}, {"end": "02:45:27", "start": "02:45:24", "text": "think one of the reasons why it happened"}, {"end": "02:45:30", "start": "02:45:26", "text": "the way it did is because there were"}, {"end": "02:45:33", "start": "02:45:27", "text": "others involved. So it's it lends more"}, {"end": "02:45:34", "start": "02:45:30", "text": "credence to it. It's more verifiable."}, {"end": "02:45:36", "start": "02:45:33", "text": "Even though there were only the three of"}, {"end": "02:45:38", "start": "02:45:34", "text": "us who were actually engaged in the"}, {"end": "02:45:41", "start": "02:45:36", "text": "interaction, there were other people who"}, {"end": "02:45:43", "start": "02:45:38", "text": "were tangentially related. Um, who"}, {"end": "02:45:47", "start": "02:45:41", "text": "seemingly had some sort of relationship"}, {"end": "02:45:50", "start": "02:45:43", "text": "to it as well. Um, but otherwise, yeah,"}, {"end": "02:45:52", "start": "02:45:47", "text": "it was pretty hard for me to actually"}, {"end": "02:45:54", "start": "02:45:50", "text": "like"}, {"end": "02:45:57", "start": "02:45:52", "text": "to contact Heidi. I didn't know who or"}, {"end": "02:45:57", "start": "02:45:54", "text": "what Eric was. I assumed he was a future"}, {"end": "02:45:59", "start": "02:45:57", "text": "human."}, {"end": "02:46:03", "start": "02:45:57", "text": "And who who is Eric?"}, {"end": "02:46:03", "start": "02:45:59", "text": "Um, he's"}, {"end": "02:46:07", "start": "02:46:04", "text": "I don't know how to answer that"}, {"end": "02:46:08", "start": "02:46:05", "text": "question."}, {"end": "02:46:09", "start": "02:46:07", "text": "He's a person."}, {"end": "02:46:10", "start": "02:46:08", "text": "What does he do?"}, {"end": "02:46:12", "start": "02:46:09", "text": "Said"}, {"end": "02:46:15", "start": "02:46:10", "text": "um I actually don't know."}, {"end": "02:46:17", "start": "02:46:12", "text": "And he's uh And what's his relationship"}, {"end": "02:46:19", "start": "02:46:15", "text": "to Heidi? Do you know?"}, {"end": "02:46:21", "start": "02:46:17", "text": "Well, that's what's funny about it, too,"}, {"end": "02:46:24", "start": "02:46:19", "text": "is that they had never met face to face"}, {"end": "02:46:27", "start": "02:46:21", "text": "before. They knew of each other and were"}, {"end": "02:46:30", "start": "02:46:24", "text": "like planning on getting together at"}, {"end": "02:46:32", "start": "02:46:27", "text": "this conference. Um, but that was their"}, {"end": "02:46:34", "start": "02:46:30", "text": "first face toface meeting."}, {"end": "02:46:35", "start": "02:46:32", "text": "I know. It's kind of funny, isn't it?"}, {"end": "02:46:36", "start": "02:46:34", "text": "It's a wild way."}, {"end": "02:46:37", "start": "02:46:35", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:46:41", "start": "02:46:36", "text": "Oh my god, dude."}, {"end": "02:46:44", "start": "02:46:37", "text": "Yeah. Um, but they've both had amazing"}, {"end": "02:46:46", "start": "02:46:41", "text": "transformational experiences like like a"}, {"end": "02:46:49", "start": "02:46:44", "text": "lot of people in this space. There's a"}, {"end": "02:46:52", "start": "02:46:46", "text": "certain threshold where"}, {"end": "02:46:54", "start": "02:46:49", "text": "you're sort of activated and then things"}, {"end": "02:46:55", "start": "02:46:52", "text": "can progressively get weirder and"}, {"end": "02:46:57", "start": "02:46:54", "text": "weirder. I hate that word cuz there's a"}, {"end": "02:47:00", "start": "02:46:55", "text": "value judgment associated with it, but"}, {"end": "02:47:02", "start": "02:46:57", "text": "it is almost like building a muscle, you"}, {"end": "02:47:04", "start": "02:47:00", "text": "know. And for me, that experience on the"}, {"end": "02:47:07", "start": "02:47:02", "text": "balcony"}, {"end": "02:47:11", "start": "02:47:04", "text": "really made me work those muscles, but"}, {"end": "02:47:13", "start": "02:47:07", "text": "now I have um"}, {"end": "02:47:16", "start": "02:47:11", "text": "sort of the ability to still use that"}, {"end": "02:47:19", "start": "02:47:13", "text": "muscle in similar and different ways."}, {"end": "02:47:20", "start": "02:47:16", "text": "And and they clearly do, too. They've"}, {"end": "02:47:22", "start": "02:47:19", "text": "both had experience. I don't like"}, {"end": "02:47:24", "start": "02:47:20", "text": "talking for other people about you know"}, {"end": "02:47:27", "start": "02:47:22", "text": "when you ask who is Eric"}, {"end": "02:47:29", "start": "02:47:24", "text": "he is an entity unto himself who has you"}, {"end": "02:47:30", "start": "02:47:27", "text": "know all of these different experiences"}, {"end": "02:47:32", "start": "02:47:29", "text": "and"}, {"end": "02:47:34", "start": "02:47:30", "text": "life experiences I I can say that he"}, {"end": "02:47:37", "start": "02:47:32", "text": "helps a lot of people I think that's an"}, {"end": "02:47:41", "start": "02:47:34", "text": "important characteristic that he would"}, {"end": "02:47:46", "start": "02:47:37", "text": "agree is a defining characteristic"}, {"end": "02:47:49", "start": "02:47:41", "text": "um h like are they um were they in now"}, {"end": "02:47:52", "start": "02:47:46", "text": "knowing them to your knowledge"}, {"end": "02:47:56", "start": "02:47:49", "text": "as"}, {"end": "02:47:58", "start": "02:47:52", "text": "shook by this event as you were?"}, {"end": "02:48:01", "start": "02:47:56", "text": "I don't know. That's a great question"}, {"end": "02:48:04", "start": "02:47:58", "text": "because when this was over for me, uh,"}, {"end": "02:48:06", "start": "02:48:01", "text": "the curtain went back up. I stood up"}, {"end": "02:48:07", "start": "02:48:04", "text": "completely dazed and I walked away."}, {"end": "02:48:09", "start": "02:48:06", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:48:12", "start": "02:48:07", "text": "I don't know if they stayed at this"}, {"end": "02:48:14", "start": "02:48:09", "text": "party. Um, I do remember Eric saying"}, {"end": "02:48:16", "start": "02:48:12", "text": "that he was excited to hang out with his"}, {"end": "02:48:19", "start": "02:48:14", "text": "friend Travis. Travis Walton cuz they're"}, {"end": "02:48:22", "start": "02:48:16", "text": "buddies and he didn't get to. So, it"}, {"end": "02:48:24", "start": "02:48:19", "text": "kind of makes me think"}, {"end": "02:48:27", "start": "02:48:22", "text": "they left too. But I have no way of"}, {"end": "02:48:29", "start": "02:48:24", "text": "knowing cuz all I did was stand up, do"}, {"end": "02:48:33", "start": "02:48:27", "text": "this, walk through the door, walk out,"}, {"end": "02:48:35", "start": "02:48:29", "text": "walk out, lay down, sleep, and then cry."}, {"end": "02:48:38", "start": "02:48:33", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:48:40", "start": "02:48:35", "text": "but the thing is like Heidi was the only"}, {"end": "02:48:43", "start": "02:48:38", "text": "one I knew because I did know her"}, {"end": "02:48:45", "start": "02:48:40", "text": "because I met her um at that same"}, {"end": "02:48:46", "start": "02:48:43", "text": "conference but three years earlier. It's"}, {"end": "02:48:48", "start": "02:48:45", "text": "actually one of my first UFO"}, {"end": "02:48:51", "start": "02:48:46", "text": "conferences."}, {"end": "02:48:54", "start": "02:48:48", "text": "And um so I kind of knew who she was and"}, {"end": "02:48:55", "start": "02:48:51", "text": "that's a big part of how I got up there"}, {"end": "02:48:57", "start": "02:48:54", "text": "in the first place. She was like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "02:49:00", "start": "02:48:55", "text": "hey, come with me. We'll go up here.\""}, {"end": "02:49:02", "start": "02:48:57", "text": "cuz I I didn't have any money and there"}, {"end": "02:49:04", "start": "02:49:00", "text": "was um like a makeshift bar downstairs"}, {"end": "02:49:06", "start": "02:49:02", "text": "at this party"}, {"end": "02:49:08", "start": "02:49:04", "text": "and she or they I assume they at this"}, {"end": "02:49:10", "start": "02:49:06", "text": "point just based on the way everything"}, {"end": "02:49:12", "start": "02:49:08", "text": "transpired"}, {"end": "02:49:13", "start": "02:49:10", "text": "saw me do this and like uh and they"}, {"end": "02:49:15", "start": "02:49:12", "text": "didn't take cards or anything so she was"}, {"end": "02:49:17", "start": "02:49:13", "text": "like I've got a key to the VIP room and"}, {"end": "02:49:18", "start": "02:49:15", "text": "all this beer was for everybody anyway"}, {"end": "02:49:20", "start": "02:49:17", "text": "so they wouldn't it's not like we were"}, {"end": "02:49:22", "start": "02:49:18", "text": "stealing beer from them or anything."}, {"end": "02:49:25", "start": "02:49:20", "text": "Um so that's how I got up there in the"}, {"end": "02:49:27", "start": "02:49:22", "text": "first place. So I I did kind of know"}, {"end": "02:49:29", "start": "02:49:25", "text": "her. She's the only one I could have"}, {"end": "02:49:32", "start": "02:49:27", "text": "reached out to cuz I didn't know who or"}, {"end": "02:49:34", "start": "02:49:29", "text": "what Eric was or if he even existed in"}, {"end": "02:49:37", "start": "02:49:32", "text": "this time cuz again in my mind this was"}, {"end": "02:49:39", "start": "02:49:34", "text": "a future human cuz they alluded to that"}, {"end": "02:49:42", "start": "02:49:37", "text": "when I telepathically said future human"}, {"end": "02:49:44", "start": "02:49:39", "text": "again didn't answer the question."}, {"end": "02:49:47", "start": "02:49:42", "text": "Um, so I could have reached out to her"}, {"end": "02:49:49", "start": "02:49:44", "text": "and I eventually did the day before I"}, {"end": "02:49:51", "start": "02:49:47", "text": "was going down to meet Jesse to finish"}, {"end": "02:49:55", "start": "02:49:49", "text": "this little feature piece on my"}, {"end": "02:49:57", "start": "02:49:51", "text": "research. That wasn't going to include"}, {"end": "02:50:00", "start": "02:49:55", "text": "this interaction, but I knew he would"}, {"end": "02:50:03", "start": "02:49:57", "text": "want to talk about it. He gave me an out"}, {"end": "02:50:05", "start": "02:50:00", "text": "also um cuz he knew it was really hard"}, {"end": "02:50:07", "start": "02:50:03", "text": "for me. He was one of the first people I"}, {"end": "02:50:12", "start": "02:50:05", "text": "told, like I said, um, about a month or"}, {"end": "02:50:14", "start": "02:50:07", "text": "two after it happened. So, um,"}, {"end": "02:50:18", "start": "02:50:12", "text": "Heidi didn't remember much of anything"}, {"end": "02:50:20", "start": "02:50:14", "text": "other than how weird it was. But once"}, {"end": "02:50:23", "start": "02:50:18", "text": "Jesse's doco came out where I did talk"}, {"end": "02:50:26", "start": "02:50:20", "text": "about this, then I got a Facebook"}, {"end": "02:50:28", "start": "02:50:23", "text": "message from Eric and had kind of a"}, {"end": "02:50:30", "start": "02:50:26", "text": "trigger response much like when I saw"}, {"end": "02:50:32", "start": "02:50:28", "text": "those chairs out on the balcony cuz I'm"}, {"end": "02:50:34", "start": "02:50:30", "text": "I'm sitting down to eat Thanksgiving"}, {"end": "02:50:37", "start": "02:50:32", "text": "dinner and his face pops up. Yeah. I see"}, {"end": "02:50:40", "start": "02:50:34", "text": "a message, I click on it."}, {"end": "02:50:41", "start": "02:50:37", "text": "Now Eric's real. Oh [\u00a0__\u00a0] You know, like"}, {"end": "02:50:44", "start": "02:50:40", "text": "what that and then like all of the"}, {"end": "02:50:45", "start": "02:50:41", "text": "questions and and all it said, you know,"}, {"end": "02:50:47", "start": "02:50:44", "text": "he has this"}, {"end": "02:50:50", "start": "02:50:45", "text": "he has this really like kind of"}, {"end": "02:50:52", "start": "02:50:47", "text": "psychedelic background. His face is"}, {"end": "02:50:54", "start": "02:50:50", "text": "right there. So he has very mesmerizing"}, {"end": "02:50:55", "start": "02:50:52", "text": "eyes to start with, especially when"}, {"end": "02:50:56", "start": "02:50:54", "text": "there's like entities communicating"}, {"end": "02:50:58", "start": "02:50:55", "text": "through them."}, {"end": "02:51:00", "start": "02:50:56", "text": "It's even more intense and especially"}, {"end": "02:51:02", "start": "02:50:58", "text": "when he's right in front of your face."}, {"end": "02:51:05", "start": "02:51:00", "text": "Um, so it's a picture of him and his"}, {"end": "02:51:08", "start": "02:51:02", "text": "face and it just said I I would have to"}, {"end": "02:51:11", "start": "02:51:05", "text": "go look. I saved all of our our our"}, {"end": "02:51:13", "start": "02:51:08", "text": "interactions cuz some of them got very"}, {"end": "02:51:15", "start": "02:51:11", "text": "he's not just him anymore, he's also"}, {"end": "02:51:18", "start": "02:51:13", "text": "them. But through Facebook Messenger,"}, {"end": "02:51:20", "start": "02:51:15", "text": "which is a hilarious place to receive"}, {"end": "02:51:23", "start": "02:51:18", "text": "telepathic messages from. Um, but it"}, {"end": "02:51:24", "start": "02:51:20", "text": "said, I I think it's time for us to"}, {"end": "02:51:28", "start": "02:51:23", "text": "talk."}, {"end": "02:51:30", "start": "02:51:24", "text": "And then I was like, oh [\u00a0__\u00a0] like this"}, {"end": "02:51:32", "start": "02:51:28", "text": "is a person I can actually ask questions"}, {"end": "02:51:34", "start": "02:51:30", "text": "to this person, you know? And and from"}, {"end": "02:51:37", "start": "02:51:32", "text": "that point on, yeah, I think actually we"}, {"end": "02:51:39", "start": "02:51:34", "text": "just had a Zoom conversation like last"}, {"end": "02:51:43", "start": "02:51:37", "text": "month. Um we email each other from time"}, {"end": "02:51:47", "start": "02:51:39", "text": "to time. He he's thrown into the same"}, {"end": "02:51:49", "start": "02:51:43", "text": "weird soup we all are. Um was was he"}, {"end": "02:51:51", "start": "02:51:47", "text": "ever did he ever say that something like"}, {"end": "02:51:52", "start": "02:51:49", "text": "that had happened to him before or was"}, {"end": "02:51:54", "start": "02:51:51", "text": "that like the first time he'd"}, {"end": "02:51:56", "start": "02:51:52", "text": "experienced something like that, do you"}, {"end": "02:51:56", "start": "02:51:54", "text": "think?"}, {"end": "02:51:58", "start": "02:51:56", "text": "um"}, {"end": "02:52:00", "start": "02:51:56", "text": "like the way that his behavior was, was"}, {"end": "02:52:02", "start": "02:51:58", "text": "that something that he was like shocked"}, {"end": "02:52:04", "start": "02:52:00", "text": "by or was he like really okay with all"}, {"end": "02:52:07", "start": "02:52:02", "text": "of this? Like what was his energy around"}, {"end": "02:52:11", "start": "02:52:04", "text": "this on the Zoom call?"}, {"end": "02:52:14", "start": "02:52:07", "text": "Well, are see on on since then we"}, {"end": "02:52:17", "start": "02:52:11", "text": "haven't really like talked about that"}, {"end": "02:52:19", "start": "02:52:14", "text": "much. Um it's just kind of what's going"}, {"end": "02:52:22", "start": "02:52:17", "text": "on, what are you up to? Sure. you know,"}, {"end": "02:52:23", "start": "02:52:19", "text": "cuz we we did actually me, him, and"}, {"end": "02:52:27", "start": "02:52:22", "text": "Heidi"}, {"end": "02:52:30", "start": "02:52:23", "text": "got together and did uh like a little"}, {"end": "02:52:32", "start": "02:52:27", "text": "YouTube thing where we talked about our"}, {"end": "02:52:35", "start": "02:52:30", "text": "experiences sort of from our own point"}, {"end": "02:52:38", "start": "02:52:32", "text": "of view. Um and and that's probably the"}, {"end": "02:52:40", "start": "02:52:35", "text": "best answer to your question. Okay. And"}, {"end": "02:52:42", "start": "02:52:38", "text": "then that is available I forget they"}, {"end": "02:52:44", "start": "02:52:40", "text": "have a a name for their cuz they sort of"}, {"end": "02:52:47", "start": "02:52:42", "text": "teamed up for a podcast."}, {"end": "02:52:48", "start": "02:52:44", "text": "Okay. Maybe you can link that to me."}, {"end": "02:52:49", "start": "02:52:47", "text": "That's a great idea. Yeah, you can put"}, {"end": "02:52:51", "start": "02:52:48", "text": "it in the show notes cuz we did get"}, {"end": "02:52:54", "start": "02:52:49", "text": "together and talk for about an hour,"}, {"end": "02:52:55", "start": "02:52:51", "text": "hour and 15 about specifically that"}, {"end": "02:53:00", "start": "02:52:54", "text": "that incident."}, {"end": "02:53:01", "start": "02:52:55", "text": "Really felt bad um about last year. Um I"}, {"end": "02:53:03", "start": "02:53:00", "text": "don't know if you're comfortable about"}, {"end": "02:53:04", "start": "02:53:01", "text": "talking about that with with me and"}, {"end": "02:53:06", "start": "02:53:03", "text": "Heidi."}, {"end": "02:53:07", "start": "02:53:04", "text": "Um I remember this beautiful little cat"}, {"end": "02:53:11", "start": "02:53:06", "text": "was crawling around on my shoulder"}, {"end": "02:53:14", "start": "02:53:07", "text": "during the interview. Um, but it that"}, {"end": "02:53:18", "start": "02:53:11", "text": "was kind of where we all sort of"}, {"end": "02:53:20", "start": "02:53:14", "text": "revisited it from our own vantage point."}, {"end": "02:53:21", "start": "02:53:18", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:53:23", "start": "02:53:20", "text": "but yeah, I can't remember exactly what"}, {"end": "02:53:26", "start": "02:53:21", "text": "we talked about in that conversation."}, {"end": "02:53:29", "start": "02:53:23", "text": "All right. So, I want to get back to"}, {"end": "02:53:31", "start": "02:53:26", "text": "prior to this. You know,"}, {"end": "02:53:33", "start": "02:53:29", "text": "it it's clear it's clear that you're"}, {"end": "02:53:34", "start": "02:53:31", "text": "still processing a lot of this"}, {"end": "02:53:36", "start": "02:53:33", "text": "information and you know, you're you're"}, {"end": "02:53:39", "start": "02:53:34", "text": "being apologetic for being"}, {"end": "02:53:40", "start": "02:53:36", "text": "scatterbrained, which I think is the the"}, {"end": "02:53:42", "start": "02:53:39", "text": "thing to be the least apologetic for"}, {"end": "02:53:43", "start": "02:53:40", "text": "when something of this magnitude happens"}, {"end": "02:53:46", "start": "02:53:42", "text": "to you."}, {"end": "02:53:47", "start": "02:53:43", "text": "I apologize, too, because I I am a"}, {"end": "02:53:49", "start": "02:53:46", "text": "professor."}, {"end": "02:53:52", "start": "02:53:47", "text": "I need to teach things in a way that's"}, {"end": "02:53:53", "start": "02:53:49", "text": "comprehensible and linear and builds on"}, {"end": "02:53:57", "start": "02:53:52", "text": "top of the other thing."}, {"end": "02:53:59", "start": "02:53:53", "text": "It it it's mostly for me. I'm like, why"}, {"end": "02:54:01", "start": "02:53:57", "text": "can't I just do this? You know, it's"}, {"end": "02:54:02", "start": "02:53:59", "text": "frustrating as us all. That's why I was"}, {"end": "02:54:04", "start": "02:54:01", "text": "apologizing."}, {"end": "02:54:07", "start": "02:54:02", "text": "And but, you know, to to maybe counter"}, {"end": "02:54:09", "start": "02:54:04", "text": "that, I would say"}, {"end": "02:54:13", "start": "02:54:07", "text": "in whatever means necessary, you need to"}, {"end": "02:54:14", "start": "02:54:09", "text": "tell this story is is the proper uh, you"}, {"end": "02:54:15", "start": "02:54:13", "text": "know, is the proper way to tell it"}, {"end": "02:54:17", "start": "02:54:14", "text": "because I think I speak for a lot of"}, {"end": "02:54:20", "start": "02:54:15", "text": "people out there who are just thankful"}, {"end": "02:54:23", "start": "02:54:17", "text": "that someone um that anyone would talk"}, {"end": "02:54:26", "start": "02:54:20", "text": "about this publicly. I think is a really"}, {"end": "02:54:28", "start": "02:54:23", "text": "um, important thing to do. and and you"}, {"end": "02:54:30", "start": "02:54:26", "text": "know the fact that you are also a"}, {"end": "02:54:31", "start": "02:54:28", "text": "professor uh you know it isn't lost on"}, {"end": "02:54:33", "start": "02:54:30", "text": "me and I'm sure it's not lost in the"}, {"end": "02:54:35", "start": "02:54:31", "text": "audience either. I I didn't want to talk"}, {"end": "02:54:37", "start": "02:54:33", "text": "about it. I'm not going to lie. It was"}, {"end": "02:54:39", "start": "02:54:35", "text": "really really hard. In fact, that's what"}, {"end": "02:54:41", "start": "02:54:37", "text": "I asked Heidi. That's that's why I"}, {"end": "02:54:43", "start": "02:54:39", "text": "eventually reached out because in"}, {"end": "02:54:47", "start": "02:54:41", "text": "addition to asking about my physical"}, {"end": "02:54:49", "start": "02:54:43", "text": "health, funny question, funny answer. Um"}, {"end": "02:54:50", "start": "02:54:47", "text": "and about, you know, the anxieties I was"}, {"end": "02:54:53", "start": "02:54:49", "text": "having the first time we had this"}, {"end": "02:54:56", "start": "02:54:50", "text": "conversation, one of my questions is can"}, {"end": "02:54:57", "start": "02:54:53", "text": "I talk about this? because by"}, {"end": "02:54:59", "start": "02:54:56", "text": "that time I was like, \"This is weird."}, {"end": "02:55:02", "start": "02:54:57", "text": "Something weird's happening here.\""}, {"end": "02:55:03", "start": "02:54:59", "text": "Um, and they specifically said, \"We want"}, {"end": "02:55:05", "start": "02:55:02", "text": "you to talk about this.\""}, {"end": "02:55:07", "start": "02:55:03", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "02:55:08", "start": "02:55:05", "text": "And in addition to that, and that's what"}, {"end": "02:55:12", "start": "02:55:07", "text": "I reached out to Heidi about. I was"}, {"end": "02:55:14", "start": "02:55:08", "text": "like, um, and and I'm paraphrasing now,"}, {"end": "02:55:16", "start": "02:55:12", "text": "uh, as you've probably found out, my"}, {"end": "02:55:17", "start": "02:55:14", "text": "memory doesn't work very well with"}, {"end": "02:55:20", "start": "02:55:16", "text": "specifics."}, {"end": "02:55:23", "start": "02:55:17", "text": "Sure, it's fine. um especially after"}, {"end": "02:55:25", "start": "02:55:20", "text": "going on 4 years now. But I asked, \"Do"}, {"end": "02:55:28", "start": "02:55:23", "text": "you remember in that conversation on the"}, {"end": "02:55:30", "start": "02:55:25", "text": "balcony when they said, \"We want you to"}, {"end": "02:55:32", "start": "02:55:28", "text": "talk about this. Do you remember if"}, {"end": "02:55:33", "start": "02:55:30", "text": "there was a time frame? It was some"}, {"end": "02:55:37", "start": "02:55:32", "text": "version of that.\" And then that's when"}, {"end": "02:55:40", "start": "02:55:33", "text": "she divulged that she doesn't remember a"}, {"end": "02:55:43", "start": "02:55:37", "text": "lot of the specifics or most of them."}, {"end": "02:55:46", "start": "02:55:40", "text": "Um which was really interesting to me,"}, {"end": "02:55:47", "start": "02:55:43", "text": "but also I was kind of like, \"Oh shit.\""}, {"end": "02:55:50", "start": "02:55:46", "text": "I was kind of hoping she would fill me"}, {"end": "02:55:52", "start": "02:55:47", "text": "in on everything cuz I'm finally like I"}, {"end": "02:55:53", "start": "02:55:50", "text": "might have to go talk about this. What"}, {"end": "02:55:55", "start": "02:55:52", "text": "do you remember? What did they mean by"}, {"end": "02:56:00", "start": "02:55:53", "text": "this? What the hell was that? Who were"}, {"end": "02:56:04", "start": "02:55:55", "text": "they? Um, so unfortunately I didn't get"}, {"end": "02:56:06", "start": "02:56:00", "text": "those answers. But I did also"}, {"end": "02:56:09", "start": "02:56:04", "text": "start to feel like a hypocrite cuz I"}, {"end": "02:56:10", "start": "02:56:06", "text": "dedicated my second book. It sitting"}, {"end": "02:56:12", "start": "02:56:09", "text": "right there right in the front. I forget"}, {"end": "02:56:15", "start": "02:56:10", "text": "exactly what it says, but I dedicate it"}, {"end": "02:56:17", "start": "02:56:12", "text": "to the brave women and men who are"}, {"end": "02:56:19", "start": "02:56:15", "text": "willing to talk about their"}, {"end": "02:56:21", "start": "02:56:17", "text": "insane experiences because without that,"}, {"end": "02:56:23", "start": "02:56:19", "text": "I wouldn't have a book to write. You"}, {"end": "02:56:25", "start": "02:56:21", "text": "know, how do I write this amalgamation"}, {"end": "02:56:27", "start": "02:56:23", "text": "of other people's insane contact"}, {"end": "02:56:29", "start": "02:56:25", "text": "experiences that I can weave together"}, {"end": "02:56:32", "start": "02:56:27", "text": "and find patterns in unless they're"}, {"end": "02:56:34", "start": "02:56:29", "text": "willing to talk about it? So, between"}, {"end": "02:56:36", "start": "02:56:32", "text": "them specifically saying, \"We would like"}, {"end": "02:56:38", "start": "02:56:34", "text": "you to do this,\" and me realizing I'm a"}, {"end": "02:56:42", "start": "02:56:36", "text": "hypocrite if I don't,"}, {"end": "02:56:44", "start": "02:56:38", "text": "I sat on my back deck and just really"}, {"end": "02:56:46", "start": "02:56:42", "text": "tried to"}, {"end": "02:56:49", "start": "02:56:44", "text": "process"}, {"end": "02:56:51", "start": "02:56:46", "text": "uh yeah, thinking about my career, my"}, {"end": "02:56:53", "start": "02:56:49", "text": "reputation. I'm like, \"Well, I'm already"}, {"end": "02:56:55", "start": "02:56:51", "text": "talking about UFOs. You know, it's"}, {"end": "02:56:58", "start": "02:56:53", "text": "already sort of going against the grain"}, {"end": "02:57:00", "start": "02:56:55", "text": "of what a respectable professor is"}, {"end": "02:57:03", "start": "02:56:58", "text": "supposed to be doing.\" and it seemed uh"}, {"end": "02:57:04", "start": "02:57:00", "text": "yeah it seemed important. So here we"}, {"end": "02:57:06", "start": "02:57:03", "text": "are."}, {"end": "02:57:07", "start": "02:57:04", "text": "Thing is though I don't have any answers"}, {"end": "02:57:08", "start": "02:57:06", "text": "you know."}, {"end": "02:57:10", "start": "02:57:07", "text": "Yeah I it's it's all"}, {"end": "02:57:10", "start": "02:57:08", "text": "well you might"}, {"end": "02:57:13", "start": "02:57:10", "text": "you just don't know."}, {"end": "02:57:15", "start": "02:57:10", "text": "Maybe yeah maybe just need to stick a"}, {"end": "02:57:17", "start": "02:57:13", "text": "needle in there and jar it loose."}, {"end": "02:57:19", "start": "02:57:15", "text": "I mean just uh as a throwaway question"}, {"end": "02:57:22", "start": "02:57:17", "text": "here and you've probably given this"}, {"end": "02:57:26", "start": "02:57:19", "text": "thought hypnotic regression."}, {"end": "02:57:30", "start": "02:57:22", "text": "Well, there was a guy I met at Elin."}, {"end": "02:57:32", "start": "02:57:26", "text": "Uh, Bill is his name. He told me I"}, {"end": "02:57:37", "start": "02:57:30", "text": "actually I met him at Elin and then I"}, {"end": "02:57:39", "start": "02:57:32", "text": "met him again in New York at um an inqu"}, {"end": "02:57:42", "start": "02:57:37", "text": "in inquiry into anomalous experiences"}, {"end": "02:57:43", "start": "02:57:39", "text": "conference and he was like, you know, I"}, {"end": "02:57:48", "start": "02:57:42", "text": "have a method that I could help you"}, {"end": "02:57:51", "start": "02:57:43", "text": "access that. It's like ah, but should I,"}, {"end": "02:57:53", "start": "02:57:48", "text": "you know, why would they go to such an"}, {"end": "02:57:56", "start": "02:57:51", "text": "effort to put these three things in my"}, {"end": "02:57:59", "start": "02:57:53", "text": "brain and then hide them from me for me"}, {"end": "02:58:01", "start": "02:57:56", "text": "to just go secretly find out what they"}, {"end": "02:58:04", "start": "02:57:59", "text": "are, you know? So, I did actually have a"}, {"end": "02:58:07", "start": "02:58:01", "text": "zoom with them and we did um he"}, {"end": "02:58:09", "start": "02:58:04", "text": "convinced me that it would be useful to"}, {"end": "02:58:12", "start": "02:58:07", "text": "learn this technique"}, {"end": "02:58:13", "start": "02:58:09", "text": "um regardless of whether I used it to"}, {"end": "02:58:15", "start": "02:58:12", "text": "try to access this information. But"}, {"end": "02:58:17", "start": "02:58:13", "text": "yeah, hypnotic regression would probably"}, {"end": "02:58:17", "start": "02:58:15", "text": "work as well."}, {"end": "02:58:18", "start": "02:58:17", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "02:58:19", "start": "02:58:17", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "02:58:23", "start": "02:58:18", "text": "but that is a good point and that's"}, {"end": "02:58:25", "start": "02:58:19", "text": "something that I think I' I'd also feel"}, {"end": "02:58:27", "start": "02:58:23", "text": "weird about strange about well and I"}, {"end": "02:58:30", "start": "02:58:25", "text": "really did get the sense that this was a"}, {"end": "02:58:34", "start": "02:58:27", "text": "team effort that I was already a part of"}, {"end": "02:58:36", "start": "02:58:30", "text": "this thing and they were just politely"}, {"end": "02:58:37", "start": "02:58:34", "text": "taking me through the steps to make me"}, {"end": "02:58:39", "start": "02:58:36", "text": "remember that"}, {"end": "02:58:40", "start": "02:58:37", "text": "and by the time that they were like we"}, {"end": "02:58:42", "start": "02:58:39", "text": "need to put these things in your brain."}, {"end": "02:58:44", "start": "02:58:40", "text": "Are you okay with that? I was like,"}, {"end": "02:58:46", "start": "02:58:42", "text": "\"Yeah, I just of course like sorry,"}, {"end": "02:58:48", "start": "02:58:44", "text": "sorry I had to work so hard at this, you"}, {"end": "02:58:52", "start": "02:58:46", "text": "know.\""}, {"end": "02:58:54", "start": "02:58:48", "text": "Okay, so now you'd mentioned prior to,"}, {"end": "02:58:57", "start": "02:58:52", "text": "you know, getting into this catalystic"}, {"end": "02:59:01", "start": "02:58:54", "text": "event that there were so many other"}, {"end": "02:59:03", "start": "02:58:57", "text": "things you had residual psychic"}, {"end": "02:59:06", "start": "02:59:01", "text": "activity. Mhm."}, {"end": "02:59:09", "start": "02:59:03", "text": "Um can you talk us through some of those"}, {"end": "02:59:12", "start": "02:59:06", "text": "things and perhaps um yeah just"}, {"end": "02:59:14", "start": "02:59:09", "text": "contextualize that a little bit more?"}, {"end": "02:59:16", "start": "02:59:12", "text": "Yeah, I mean the the main thing is that"}, {"end": "02:59:19", "start": "02:59:14", "text": "some of them didn't involve other"}, {"end": "02:59:22", "start": "02:59:16", "text": "people. um like we were just talking"}, {"end": "02:59:25", "start": "02:59:19", "text": "about this one I think needed to not"}, {"end": "02:59:28", "start": "02:59:22", "text": "just to lend credence to it for people"}, {"end": "02:59:29", "start": "02:59:25", "text": "that hear about it but also for me cuz I"}, {"end": "02:59:32", "start": "02:59:28", "text": "didn't take seriously the first"}, {"end": "02:59:37", "start": "02:59:29", "text": "interaction I had which again the common"}, {"end": "02:59:40", "start": "02:59:32", "text": "theme is light and most of these um so"}, {"end": "02:59:42", "start": "02:59:37", "text": "take it for what it's worth if people"}, {"end": "02:59:44", "start": "02:59:40", "text": "only want to hear things that are"}, {"end": "02:59:45", "start": "02:59:42", "text": "verifiable cuz other people are involved"}, {"end": "02:59:50", "start": "02:59:44", "text": "I have a couple of those too actually"}, {"end": "02:59:54", "start": "02:59:45", "text": "but Um, not long after I was woken up"}, {"end": "02:59:58", "start": "02:59:50", "text": "every half hour on the exact minute for"}, {"end": "03:00:01", "start": "02:59:54", "text": "about six different sessions and sat up"}, {"end": "03:00:02", "start": "02:59:58", "text": "in bed and felt the same thing I"}, {"end": "03:00:05", "start": "03:00:01", "text": "experienced on the balcony with the"}, {"end": "03:00:07", "start": "03:00:02", "text": "light and the information. And I was the"}, {"end": "03:00:10", "start": "03:00:05", "text": "first time it happened I was like, \"Oh"}, {"end": "03:00:14", "start": "03:00:07", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] what what is this?\" like but it"}, {"end": "03:00:15", "start": "03:00:10", "text": "was so recent that I remembered like"}, {"end": "03:00:18", "start": "03:00:14", "text": "that feeling you know of the"}, {"end": "03:00:21", "start": "03:00:15", "text": "information, the colors, the light, the"}, {"end": "03:00:23", "start": "03:00:18", "text": "sensations, the emotions and I was awake"}, {"end": "03:00:27", "start": "03:00:21", "text": "for just a minute and then right back to"}, {"end": "03:00:28", "start": "03:00:23", "text": "sleep like instantly. And this was way"}, {"end": "03:00:30", "start": "03:00:27", "text": "before I learned the meditation"}, {"end": "03:00:32", "start": "03:00:28", "text": "technique where I could put myself to"}, {"end": "03:00:35", "start": "03:00:30", "text": "sleep. I was put to sleep like as soon"}, {"end": "03:00:37", "start": "03:00:32", "text": "as I hit the pillow. Woke up again a"}, {"end": "03:00:39", "start": "03:00:35", "text": "half hour later. Same thing. I'm aware"}, {"end": "03:00:41", "start": "03:00:37", "text": "of it. Nothing's really happening, but"}, {"end": "03:00:43", "start": "03:00:39", "text": "I'm aware of like that that was just"}, {"end": "03:00:45", "start": "03:00:41", "text": "happening and like the last little bits"}, {"end": "03:00:47", "start": "03:00:43", "text": "of it, you know, or filtering in. Back"}, {"end": "03:00:49", "start": "03:00:45", "text": "asleep, back up, back asleep, back up."}, {"end": "03:00:53", "start": "03:00:47", "text": "And this went on for, you know, a few"}, {"end": "03:00:55", "start": "03:00:49", "text": "hours. And there was nobody shooting"}, {"end": "03:00:57", "start": "03:00:53", "text": "things into my face right in front of me"}, {"end": "03:00:59", "start": "03:00:55", "text": "like there was on the balcony, but it"}, {"end": "03:01:02", "start": "03:00:57", "text": "was the same experience"}, {"end": "03:01:03", "start": "03:00:59", "text": "just happening in my subconscious as"}, {"end": "03:01:06", "start": "03:01:02", "text": "opposed to my conscious, which is way"}, {"end": "03:01:07", "start": "03:01:03", "text": "easier. Like when I woke up, I knew what"}, {"end": "03:01:09", "start": "03:01:06", "text": "was happening. I went and told my wife"}, {"end": "03:01:11", "start": "03:01:07", "text": "like they they did the same thing but"}, {"end": "03:01:12", "start": "03:01:09", "text": "they did in my sleep and it was way"}, {"end": "03:01:13", "start": "03:01:11", "text": "easier."}, {"end": "03:01:14", "start": "03:01:12", "text": "You know, it's not like the fire hose of"}, {"end": "03:01:16", "start": "03:01:13", "text": "information coming through your"}, {"end": "03:01:19", "start": "03:01:14", "text": "conscious mind and getting buried back"}, {"end": "03:01:24", "start": "03:01:16", "text": "in some vault somewhere. It was like a"}, {"end": "03:01:26", "start": "03:01:19", "text": "nice peaceful slow just same experience"}, {"end": "03:01:29", "start": "03:01:24", "text": "but in my subconscious."}, {"end": "03:01:31", "start": "03:01:26", "text": "Um the one that involves other people"}, {"end": "03:01:34", "start": "03:01:29", "text": "that was kind of weird is there were a"}, {"end": "03:01:37", "start": "03:01:31", "text": "lot of um a lot of things involving"}, {"end": "03:01:39", "start": "03:01:34", "text": "disruptions to sleep in general. I"}, {"end": "03:01:42", "start": "03:01:37", "text": "started being woken up at the same time"}, {"end": "03:01:45", "start": "03:01:39", "text": "every morning. Eventually learned that"}, {"end": "03:01:46", "start": "03:01:42", "text": "that's pretty common with people who"}, {"end": "03:01:48", "start": "03:01:45", "text": "have had these types of weird"}, {"end": "03:01:52", "start": "03:01:46", "text": "experiences. And there's even a name for"}, {"end": "03:01:55", "start": "03:01:48", "text": "it's called Brahma Maharta. uh Whitley"}, {"end": "03:01:56", "start": "03:01:52", "text": "um yeah Strber has written five books he"}, {"end": "03:01:58", "start": "03:01:55", "text": "said in this state of mind"}, {"end": "03:01:59", "start": "03:01:56", "text": "during this meditative early morning"}, {"end": "03:02:01", "start": "03:01:58", "text": "state."}, {"end": "03:02:01", "start": "03:01:59", "text": "Yes. Yeah. I think you mentioned earlier"}, {"end": "03:02:03", "start": "03:02:01", "text": "that"}, {"end": "03:02:05", "start": "03:02:01", "text": "that's something I do as well."}, {"end": "03:02:08", "start": "03:02:03", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:02:09", "start": "03:02:05", "text": "And so I uh it's funny cuz I've I've"}, {"end": "03:02:12", "start": "03:02:08", "text": "been talking about that aspect of this"}, {"end": "03:02:16", "start": "03:02:09", "text": "which only came post that one big event."}, {"end": "03:02:18", "start": "03:02:12", "text": "Um and and I only need about 5 hours of"}, {"end": "03:02:20", "start": "03:02:16", "text": "sleep now. If I get more than that, I"}, {"end": "03:02:22", "start": "03:02:18", "text": "feel like you I just woke up from a nap"}, {"end": "03:02:23", "start": "03:02:20", "text": "and never really got back to the same"}, {"end": "03:02:26", "start": "03:02:22", "text": "place. I"}, {"end": "03:02:29", "start": "03:02:23", "text": "I go to sleep around 1. I get up around"}, {"end": "03:02:31", "start": "03:02:26", "text": "5:30 or 6. I just wake up and you know I"}, {"end": "03:02:34", "start": "03:02:29", "text": "can try to go back to sleep. I do and"}, {"end": "03:02:36", "start": "03:02:31", "text": "then the rest of my day is [\u00a0__\u00a0] Um, but"}, {"end": "03:02:38", "start": "03:02:34", "text": "this Brahma mahart time at first I was"}, {"end": "03:02:41", "start": "03:02:36", "text": "really mad about it and then I started"}, {"end": "03:02:43", "start": "03:02:38", "text": "using it because I heard Whitley on my"}, {"end": "03:02:46", "start": "03:02:41", "text": "friend Kelly Chase's podcast which is"}, {"end": "03:02:47", "start": "03:02:43", "text": "Cosmosis now and I was like, \"Oh my god,"}, {"end": "03:02:49", "start": "03:02:46", "text": "there's a name for this and you can use"}, {"end": "03:02:51", "start": "03:02:47", "text": "it.\" And so I started doing that. I"}, {"end": "03:02:54", "start": "03:02:49", "text": "would start getting up at that time and"}, {"end": "03:02:58", "start": "03:02:51", "text": "writing or just doing whatever. And it's"}, {"end": "03:03:00", "start": "03:02:54", "text": "like this weird like magical period"}, {"end": "03:03:03", "start": "03:02:58", "text": "where you can sort of"}, {"end": "03:03:04", "start": "03:03:00", "text": "be in both. you're in the conscious"}, {"end": "03:03:07", "start": "03:03:03", "text": "world"}, {"end": "03:03:10", "start": "03:03:04", "text": "and bring things in from that sort of"}, {"end": "03:03:12", "start": "03:03:07", "text": "liinal subconscious space as well. So I"}, {"end": "03:03:15", "start": "03:03:10", "text": "started doing that and it felt way"}, {"end": "03:03:18", "start": "03:03:12", "text": "better. I felt like I was using the time"}, {"end": "03:03:20", "start": "03:03:15", "text": "as opposed to being mad about it. Um,"}, {"end": "03:03:22", "start": "03:03:18", "text": "but the the one that did involve other"}, {"end": "03:03:26", "start": "03:03:20", "text": "people that is weird and also verifiable"}, {"end": "03:03:29", "start": "03:03:22", "text": "is I started to experience time slips,"}, {"end": "03:03:30", "start": "03:03:26", "text": "which the first one that happened was in"}, {"end": "03:03:33", "start": "03:03:29", "text": "New York after that same conference I"}, {"end": "03:03:36", "start": "03:03:30", "text": "mentioned where I'm I'm hanging out with"}, {"end": "03:03:37", "start": "03:03:33", "text": "a bunch of people, good friends,"}, {"end": "03:03:40", "start": "03:03:36", "text": "postconference, we're having a good"}, {"end": "03:03:43", "start": "03:03:37", "text": "time. I go into the bathroom, I come"}, {"end": "03:03:45", "start": "03:03:40", "text": "back out what I think is a minute, 2"}, {"end": "03:03:47", "start": "03:03:43", "text": "minutes later, and everybody's gone and"}, {"end": "03:03:49", "start": "03:03:45", "text": "the bar's closed."}, {"end": "03:03:51", "start": "03:03:47", "text": "Like, and these aren't people where"}, {"end": "03:03:54", "start": "03:03:49", "text": "there would be a collective Irish"}, {"end": "03:03:56", "start": "03:03:51", "text": "goodbye or like I was drunk and just"}, {"end": "03:03:58", "start": "03:03:54", "text": "didn't realize like I was very lucid."}, {"end": "03:03:59", "start": "03:03:56", "text": "Went into the bathroom, came back out"}, {"end": "03:04:02", "start": "03:03:58", "text": "and the bar is closed and everybody's"}, {"end": "03:04:04", "start": "03:03:59", "text": "gone. So, I get an Uber. I Uber back to"}, {"end": "03:04:07", "start": "03:04:02", "text": "Midtown Manhattan or wherever I was"}, {"end": "03:04:08", "start": "03:04:04", "text": "staying. And the next day, I was going"}, {"end": "03:04:10", "start": "03:04:07", "text": "to shoot with one of these individuals."}, {"end": "03:04:11", "start": "03:04:08", "text": "He runs up to me and I get out of the"}, {"end": "03:04:12", "start": "03:04:10", "text": "elevator like, \"Dude, what happened last"}, {"end": "03:04:14", "start": "03:04:11", "text": "night? What? I don't want to tell you"}, {"end": "03:04:16", "start": "03:04:12", "text": "anything, so I don't want to bias it.\""}, {"end": "03:04:19", "start": "03:04:14", "text": "He experienced the same thing. Like we"}, {"end": "03:04:20", "start": "03:04:16", "text": "all experienced this weird time slip at"}, {"end": "03:04:21", "start": "03:04:19", "text": "that same time."}, {"end": "03:04:23", "start": "03:04:20", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "03:04:25", "start": "03:04:21", "text": "So it wasn't even just me and my"}, {"end": "03:04:29", "start": "03:04:23", "text": "perception. Like he and the others we"}, {"end": "03:04:32", "start": "03:04:25", "text": "were with all had this weird like gap in"}, {"end": "03:04:33", "start": "03:04:29", "text": "time, you know, and that was weird. But"}, {"end": "03:04:35", "start": "03:04:32", "text": "obviously"}, {"end": "03:04:36", "start": "03:04:33", "text": "what was their gap like? Like what did"}, {"end": "03:04:38", "start": "03:04:35", "text": "they explain? Did they were He was like,"}, {"end": "03:04:41", "start": "03:04:36", "text": "\"Oh, I was just home.\""}, {"end": "03:04:43", "start": "03:04:38", "text": "No, I we didn't really get a chance to"}, {"end": "03:04:45", "start": "03:04:41", "text": "go deep on it because another one of our"}, {"end": "03:04:47", "start": "03:04:43", "text": "friends came up and she was like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "03:04:50", "start": "03:04:45", "text": "you guys were just drunk.\""}, {"end": "03:04:52", "start": "03:04:47", "text": "And she doesn't drink. Um, and and we"}, {"end": "03:04:54", "start": "03:04:50", "text": "both went, \"We weren't, but all right,"}, {"end": "03:04:56", "start": "03:04:52", "text": "whatever.\" And we were trying to do this"}, {"end": "03:04:57", "start": "03:04:54", "text": "shoot, so we didn't really get to sit"}, {"end": "03:04:58", "start": "03:04:56", "text": "down. I've I've met up with them since."}, {"end": "03:04:59", "start": "03:04:57", "text": "For some reason, we haven't talked about"}, {"end": "03:05:01", "start": "03:04:58", "text": "it cuz that would be a really good"}, {"end": "03:05:05", "start": "03:04:59", "text": "chance to follow up on what was your"}, {"end": "03:05:07", "start": "03:05:01", "text": "experience like. Um, another one. Not"}, {"end": "03:05:10", "start": "03:05:05", "text": "long after that, we were driving from"}, {"end": "03:05:11", "start": "03:05:07", "text": "where I live in But Montana to Bend,"}, {"end": "03:05:16", "start": "03:05:10", "text": "Oregon."}, {"end": "03:05:18", "start": "03:05:11", "text": "And we made it past Missoula, Montana to"}, {"end": "03:05:21", "start": "03:05:16", "text": "this gas station where you would go up"}, {"end": "03:05:23", "start": "03:05:18", "text": "to Quinn Hot Springs, which is about"}, {"end": "03:05:25", "start": "03:05:21", "text": "2 and 1/2 hours away. We made it there"}, {"end": "03:05:29", "start": "03:05:23", "text": "in 45 minutes."}, {"end": "03:05:32", "start": "03:05:25", "text": "with my wife, with my kids in the back."}, {"end": "03:05:36", "start": "03:05:29", "text": "We somehow lost an hour and a half on"}, {"end": "03:05:37", "start": "03:05:32", "text": "this drive. Like it just disappeared. We"}, {"end": "03:05:39", "start": "03:05:36", "text": "were just listening to a podcast, eating"}, {"end": "03:05:41", "start": "03:05:37", "text": "cheeses. We still joke that if we put on"}, {"end": "03:05:43", "start": "03:05:39", "text": "a Smart List podcast and eat CheezIts,"}, {"end": "03:05:44", "start": "03:05:41", "text": "we can just cut the drive time for any"}, {"end": "03:05:46", "start": "03:05:43", "text": "Yeah. We could just time, which was"}, {"end": "03:05:48", "start": "03:05:44", "text": "great. We got there and we were like,"}, {"end": "03:05:49", "start": "03:05:46", "text": "\"Holy shit.\" And we we each checked our"}, {"end": "03:05:52", "start": "03:05:48", "text": "phones. We checked the clock in the"}, {"end": "03:05:53", "start": "03:05:49", "text": "truck. We went back and checked when we"}, {"end": "03:05:54", "start": "03:05:52", "text": "texted our houses sitter cuz we always"}, {"end": "03:05:56", "start": "03:05:53", "text": "text our houses sitter. We've got sheep"}, {"end": "03:05:58", "start": "03:05:54", "text": "and dogs and chickens. We need somebody"}, {"end": "03:06:00", "start": "03:05:56", "text": "to stay there. We always text the second"}, {"end": "03:06:02", "start": "03:05:58", "text": "we leave to let them know we left so"}, {"end": "03:06:04", "start": "03:06:00", "text": "they can come there and take care of the"}, {"end": "03:06:07", "start": "03:06:02", "text": "animals."}, {"end": "03:06:10", "start": "03:06:04", "text": "We lost an hour and a half. We didn't"}, {"end": "03:06:12", "start": "03:06:07", "text": "experience anything weird. We didn't see"}, {"end": "03:06:14", "start": "03:06:10", "text": "anything weird. We're just eating"}, {"end": "03:06:17", "start": "03:06:12", "text": "Cheezits and listening to a podcast and"}, {"end": "03:06:19", "start": "03:06:14", "text": "somehow lost an hour and a half of time."}, {"end": "03:06:21", "start": "03:06:17", "text": "Um there was another one where I was"}, {"end": "03:06:23", "start": "03:06:19", "text": "just sitting out in my backyard. I'd had"}, {"end": "03:06:26", "start": "03:06:21", "text": "two beers."}, {"end": "03:06:27", "start": "03:06:23", "text": "That's it. And the same thing that I"}, {"end": "03:06:29", "start": "03:06:26", "text": "experienced with the the sort of"}, {"end": "03:06:31", "start": "03:06:27", "text": "darkness coming down over the eyes, I"}, {"end": "03:06:32", "start": "03:06:29", "text": "like had a sense that was going to"}, {"end": "03:06:35", "start": "03:06:31", "text": "happen. I don't remember hearing a voice"}, {"end": "03:06:37", "start": "03:06:32", "text": "or anything, but I had like like an"}, {"end": "03:06:39", "start": "03:06:35", "text": "understanding. And so I just sat back in"}, {"end": "03:06:42", "start": "03:06:37", "text": "the chair. The same thing happened. I"}, {"end": "03:06:44", "start": "03:06:39", "text": "was by myself, so unverifiable."}, {"end": "03:06:46", "start": "03:06:42", "text": "Um, and then after some period of time"}, {"end": "03:06:47", "start": "03:06:44", "text": "that I don't know how much time passed,"}, {"end": "03:06:49", "start": "03:06:46", "text": "my vision returned the same way it did"}, {"end": "03:06:51", "start": "03:06:47", "text": "on that balcony. I just got up and went"}, {"end": "03:06:53", "start": "03:06:49", "text": "inside. Like"}, {"end": "03:06:55", "start": "03:06:51", "text": "those were happening a lot."}, {"end": "03:06:57", "start": "03:06:53", "text": "This in the last two years."}, {"end": "03:07:00", "start": "03:06:55", "text": "Yeah. And then more recently, I've been"}, {"end": "03:07:02", "start": "03:06:57", "text": "able to leave my body, which I know is"}, {"end": "03:07:03", "start": "03:07:00", "text": "only because they took me out of it that"}, {"end": "03:07:05", "start": "03:07:02", "text": "one time on the balcony."}, {"end": "03:07:05", "start": "03:07:03", "text": "So, it gave you a sense of like this is"}, {"end": "03:07:08", "start": "03:07:05", "text": "what you can do."}, {"end": "03:07:10", "start": "03:07:05", "text": "Mhm. And it's familiar now and it's not"}, {"end": "03:07:15", "start": "03:07:08", "text": "scary at all. Sure. And in fact, I love"}, {"end": "03:07:18", "start": "03:07:10", "text": "it. It's I I don't do it too much cuz"}, {"end": "03:07:21", "start": "03:07:15", "text": "for a while I was really pissed and like"}, {"end": "03:07:23", "start": "03:07:18", "text": "my wife told me that one about 2 or 3"}, {"end": "03:07:25", "start": "03:07:21", "text": "months after this happened in Phoenix I"}, {"end": "03:07:29", "start": "03:07:23", "text": "woke up and was sitting at the edge of"}, {"end": "03:07:31", "start": "03:07:25", "text": "the bed having an argument with them."}, {"end": "03:07:32", "start": "03:07:29", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "03:07:34", "start": "03:07:31", "text": "she couldn't remember what it was. I"}, {"end": "03:07:36", "start": "03:07:32", "text": "don't I don't talk in my sleep. The"}, {"end": "03:07:38", "start": "03:07:34", "text": "whole rest of my family does. Uh but I"}, {"end": "03:07:40", "start": "03:07:36", "text": "don't talk in my sleep. But I guess I"}, {"end": "03:07:43", "start": "03:07:38", "text": "got up, I sat on the bed and was having"}, {"end": "03:07:47", "start": "03:07:40", "text": "an argument with them about like the"}, {"end": "03:07:49", "start": "03:07:43", "text": "best she could say is like what is this?"}, {"end": "03:07:52", "start": "03:07:47", "text": "What are we doing here? What is this"}, {"end": "03:07:56", "start": "03:07:49", "text": "physical space? Cuz I had seen that"}, {"end": "03:07:59", "start": "03:07:52", "text": "other side and was brought there and saw"}, {"end": "03:08:01", "start": "03:07:56", "text": "the instant communication, the the"}, {"end": "03:08:03", "start": "03:07:59", "text": "information that just moves and flows"}, {"end": "03:08:05", "start": "03:08:01", "text": "without the burdens of like formulating"}, {"end": "03:08:08", "start": "03:08:03", "text": "a thought and speaking it and hearing"}, {"end": "03:08:10", "start": "03:08:05", "text": "and reformulating thought. and and just"}, {"end": "03:08:13", "start": "03:08:08", "text": "like you know the the hippie- dippy"}, {"end": "03:08:16", "start": "03:08:10", "text": "infinite love and energy like I felt all"}, {"end": "03:08:19", "start": "03:08:13", "text": "of that and then really struggled"}, {"end": "03:08:21", "start": "03:08:16", "text": "kind of on a personal but also a cosmic"}, {"end": "03:08:23", "start": "03:08:19", "text": "level with what is this physical"}, {"end": "03:08:25", "start": "03:08:21", "text": "reality?"}, {"end": "03:08:28", "start": "03:08:23", "text": "What is this and how does it relate to"}, {"end": "03:08:31", "start": "03:08:25", "text": "that? And apparently, you know, that"}, {"end": "03:08:34", "start": "03:08:28", "text": "have been something that"}, {"end": "03:08:39", "start": "03:08:31", "text": "I was involved in in a dream state or"}, {"end": "03:08:42", "start": "03:08:34", "text": "something. I don't know. Um, but I sort"}, {"end": "03:08:44", "start": "03:08:39", "text": "of worked toward trying to"}, {"end": "03:08:46", "start": "03:08:42", "text": "not not figure that out or understand"}, {"end": "03:08:49", "start": "03:08:44", "text": "it, but at least get a frame of"}, {"end": "03:08:51", "start": "03:08:46", "text": "reference where I could be okay with"}, {"end": "03:08:53", "start": "03:08:49", "text": "being in this physical reality"}, {"end": "03:08:54", "start": "03:08:51", "text": "because I have to be. Yeah."}, {"end": "03:08:56", "start": "03:08:53", "text": "You know, and like we were talking about"}, {"end": "03:08:56", "start": "03:08:54", "text": "at breakfast, there's a reason"}, {"end": "03:08:59", "start": "03:08:56", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:09:03", "start": "03:08:56", "text": "why we're here. Giving up probably a big"}, {"end": "03:09:06", "start": "03:08:59", "text": "one. If we're giving up that infinite um"}, {"end": "03:09:07", "start": "03:09:03", "text": "love and security and lack of pain and"}, {"end": "03:09:10", "start": "03:09:06", "text": "lack of fear"}, {"end": "03:09:13", "start": "03:09:07", "text": "Yeah. and eternal like life,"}, {"end": "03:09:15", "start": "03:09:10", "text": "eternal life um timeless, spaceless,"}, {"end": "03:09:15", "start": "03:09:13", "text": "energetic"}, {"end": "03:09:16", "start": "03:09:15", "text": "utopia."}, {"end": "03:09:18", "start": "03:09:15", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:09:20", "start": "03:09:16", "text": "To be here. Mhm. There's a reason for"}, {"end": "03:09:22", "start": "03:09:18", "text": "that and we should embrace it and"}, {"end": "03:09:25", "start": "03:09:20", "text": "recognize that this is a unique"}, {"end": "03:09:27", "start": "03:09:22", "text": "experience that we get to share with"}, {"end": "03:09:30", "start": "03:09:25", "text": "other people who are also here seeking"}, {"end": "03:09:31", "start": "03:09:27", "text": "an understanding of this experience as"}, {"end": "03:09:31", "start": "03:09:30", "text": "well."}, {"end": "03:09:34", "start": "03:09:31", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:09:36", "start": "03:09:31", "text": "Um so so over the last 6 months and like"}, {"end": "03:09:38", "start": "03:09:34", "text": "I said I haven't been doing many of"}, {"end": "03:09:41", "start": "03:09:36", "text": "these interviews"}, {"end": "03:09:43", "start": "03:09:38", "text": "uh mostly because I I became chair of my"}, {"end": "03:09:46", "start": "03:09:41", "text": "department at Montana Tech and that"}, {"end": "03:09:49", "start": "03:09:43", "text": "comes with a lot of obligations."}, {"end": "03:09:50", "start": "03:09:46", "text": "Um, and it was mostly a time constraint"}, {"end": "03:09:53", "start": "03:09:49", "text": "thing,"}, {"end": "03:09:58", "start": "03:09:50", "text": "but but over the last 6 months, I feel"}, {"end": "03:10:00", "start": "03:09:53", "text": "like I've gotten to a place where"}, {"end": "03:10:04", "start": "03:09:58", "text": "where it's I still don't understand it,"}, {"end": "03:10:08", "start": "03:10:00", "text": "but it's good and I'm happy. For about a"}, {"end": "03:10:10", "start": "03:10:04", "text": "year, year and a half maybe, I was very"}, {"end": "03:10:11", "start": "03:10:08", "text": "unhappy and confused and stuck between"}, {"end": "03:10:12", "start": "03:10:10", "text": "two worlds."}, {"end": "03:10:14", "start": "03:10:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:10:17", "start": "03:10:12", "text": "Um, but I found a happy place between"}, {"end": "03:10:20", "start": "03:10:14", "text": "them. uh that that makes living a lot"}, {"end": "03:10:23", "start": "03:10:17", "text": "easier. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah,"}, {"end": "03:10:26", "start": "03:10:20", "text": "it's um"}, {"end": "03:10:28", "start": "03:10:23", "text": "it's really interesting, man. I'm um I'm"}, {"end": "03:10:31", "start": "03:10:26", "text": "at a loss for words with this story."}, {"end": "03:10:36", "start": "03:10:28", "text": "It's just uh it's a lot for me to to try"}, {"end": "03:10:38", "start": "03:10:31", "text": "and put myself in and I don't know how I"}, {"end": "03:10:40", "start": "03:10:36", "text": "would reconcile"}, {"end": "03:10:43", "start": "03:10:38", "text": "all of that. Like I guess it would take"}, {"end": "03:10:47", "start": "03:10:40", "text": "time and honestly like I I have said"}, {"end": "03:10:50", "start": "03:10:43", "text": "this before if you look at"}, {"end": "03:10:52", "start": "03:10:47", "text": "the crazy experiences people have like"}, {"end": "03:10:55", "start": "03:10:50", "text": "there wasn't a UFO nobody put anything"}, {"end": "03:10:57", "start": "03:10:52", "text": "in my butt you know like people have way"}, {"end": "03:11:00", "start": "03:10:55", "text": "more impactful"}, {"end": "03:11:02", "start": "03:10:57", "text": "strange onlogically shocking"}, {"end": "03:11:05", "start": "03:11:00", "text": "experiences."}, {"end": "03:11:07", "start": "03:11:02", "text": "Um, it definitely affected me on a"}, {"end": "03:11:11", "start": "03:11:05", "text": "personal level for a while and all of"}, {"end": "03:11:13", "start": "03:11:07", "text": "the follow-on effects and just the"}, {"end": "03:11:17", "start": "03:11:11", "text": "questions that obviously arise from it."}, {"end": "03:11:20", "start": "03:11:13", "text": "But, I mean, I I don't know. I think I"}, {"end": "03:11:21", "start": "03:11:17", "text": "think a lot of people"}, {"end": "03:11:22", "start": "03:11:20", "text": "have way weirder things happen to them"}, {"end": "03:11:24", "start": "03:11:21", "text": "to be honest."}, {"end": "03:11:27", "start": "03:11:22", "text": "Yeah. No, I I agree. There are some"}, {"end": "03:11:29", "start": "03:11:24", "text": "weird things out there, but I think you"}, {"end": "03:11:31", "start": "03:11:27", "text": "know what what makes this one unique,"}, {"end": "03:11:32", "start": "03:11:29", "text": "aside from the fact that there were"}, {"end": "03:11:34", "start": "03:11:31", "text": "witnesses"}, {"end": "03:11:36", "start": "03:11:32", "text": "uh and other people involved who were,"}, {"end": "03:11:40", "start": "03:11:34", "text": "you know, potentially"}, {"end": "03:11:45", "start": "03:11:36", "text": "some type of conduit for NHI."}, {"end": "03:11:46", "start": "03:11:40", "text": "Is that this happened in and around"}, {"end": "03:11:49", "start": "03:11:45", "text": "the"}, {"end": "03:11:51", "start": "03:11:46", "text": "UFO eupfology sphere?"}, {"end": "03:11:51", "start": "03:11:49", "text": "Yeah, it was UFO conference."}, {"end": "03:11:53", "start": "03:11:51", "text": "Yeah. Yeah,"}, {"end": "03:11:55", "start": "03:11:51", "text": "one of the biggest and best"}, {"end": "03:11:56", "start": "03:11:53", "text": "and that I think is uh is really"}, {"end": "03:11:58", "start": "03:11:55", "text": "interesting because you know part of me"}, {"end": "03:12:02", "start": "03:11:56", "text": "when I think about these conferences I"}, {"end": "03:12:04", "start": "03:11:58", "text": "think you know I always I always tend to"}, {"end": "03:12:06", "start": "03:12:02", "text": "you know when I when I go I went to I"}, {"end": "03:12:09", "start": "03:12:04", "text": "went to the one contact in the desert"}, {"end": "03:12:10", "start": "03:12:06", "text": "but then I was at the UAP um uh"}, {"end": "03:12:11", "start": "03:12:09", "text": "congressional hearing the last one. Oh,"}, {"end": "03:12:13", "start": "03:12:10", "text": "nice."}, {"end": "03:12:16", "start": "03:12:11", "text": "And I'm I'm at those things and I find"}, {"end": "03:12:18", "start": "03:12:13", "text": "myself more often than not during a"}, {"end": "03:12:20", "start": "03:12:16", "text": "presentation scanning the room for NHI."}, {"end": "03:12:22", "start": "03:12:18", "text": "Something that I do"}, {"end": "03:12:23", "start": "03:12:20", "text": "you know I'm kind of like sending out"}, {"end": "03:12:25", "start": "03:12:22", "text": "the signal"}, {"end": "03:12:26", "start": "03:12:23", "text": "to be like if you're here you know oh"}, {"end": "03:12:28", "start": "03:12:25", "text": "your scales are showing and then just"}, {"end": "03:12:30", "start": "03:12:26", "text": "watching somebody like scratch the back"}, {"end": "03:12:32", "start": "03:12:28", "text": "of their head or something. Um, but like"}, {"end": "03:12:37", "start": "03:12:30", "text": "this type of um I'm always trying to put"}, {"end": "03:12:40", "start": "03:12:32", "text": "it out there because I think if you were"}, {"end": "03:12:42", "start": "03:12:37", "text": "that and you were going to show up, you"}, {"end": "03:12:44", "start": "03:12:40", "text": "wouldn't show up in a you know, if you"}, {"end": "03:12:47", "start": "03:12:42", "text": "were trying to communicate that is you"}, {"end": "03:12:48", "start": "03:12:44", "text": "would do it at a place like that where"}, {"end": "03:12:48", "start": "03:12:47", "text": "it matters."}, {"end": "03:12:51", "start": "03:12:48", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:12:53", "start": "03:12:48", "text": "Right. And so that makes me um it"}, {"end": "03:12:55", "start": "03:12:51", "text": "actually where some people might be"}, {"end": "03:12:57", "start": "03:12:53", "text": "like, well that's convenient. I I I"}, {"end": "03:12:59", "start": "03:12:55", "text": "think it is convenient and I think it is"}, {"end": "03:12:59", "start": "03:12:57", "text": "uh there's a reason for that happening"}, {"end": "03:13:01", "start": "03:12:59", "text": "there."}, {"end": "03:13:03", "start": "03:12:59", "text": "That's a really great point and also"}, {"end": "03:13:05", "start": "03:13:01", "text": "because the two people that did act as"}, {"end": "03:13:07", "start": "03:13:03", "text": "conduits, you don't find them"}, {"end": "03:13:10", "start": "03:13:05", "text": "everywhere. People that have been"}, {"end": "03:13:12", "start": "03:13:07", "text": "activated that have had experiences that"}, {"end": "03:13:16", "start": "03:13:10", "text": "make them"}, {"end": "03:13:18", "start": "03:13:12", "text": "able to interact in this way like they"}, {"end": "03:13:20", "start": "03:13:16", "text": "probably exist in a much higher"}, {"end": "03:13:21", "start": "03:13:18", "text": "proportion in places like that than just"}, {"end": "03:13:23", "start": "03:13:20", "text": "at the grocery store, you know?"}, {"end": "03:13:26", "start": "03:13:21", "text": "That's right."}, {"end": "03:13:27", "start": "03:13:23", "text": "But there's the case of uh who was it?"}, {"end": "03:13:28", "start": "03:13:26", "text": "Ingo Swan who claims to have been"}, {"end": "03:13:29", "start": "03:13:27", "text": "approached by"}, {"end": "03:13:32", "start": "03:13:28", "text": "in the supermarket. Yeah. In the"}, {"end": "03:13:33", "start": "03:13:29", "text": "supermarket. And so so this whole"}, {"end": "03:13:35", "start": "03:13:32", "text": "question of like them walking amongst"}, {"end": "03:13:36", "start": "03:13:33", "text": "us. There's there's a lot of cases."}, {"end": "03:13:38", "start": "03:13:35", "text": "There was a guy I think he was like a"}, {"end": "03:13:39", "start": "03:13:36", "text": "general in England"}, {"end": "03:13:41", "start": "03:13:38", "text": "who had someone approach him and just"}, {"end": "03:13:43", "start": "03:13:39", "text": "start speaking telepathically to him."}, {"end": "03:13:46", "start": "03:13:41", "text": "And"}, {"end": "03:13:48", "start": "03:13:43", "text": "I mean I don't know if it's necessarily"}, {"end": "03:13:51", "start": "03:13:46", "text": "I I think about this a lot like how much"}, {"end": "03:13:55", "start": "03:13:48", "text": "of that is actually what we would call"}, {"end": "03:13:56", "start": "03:13:51", "text": "aliens or or NHI kind of hate the NHI"}, {"end": "03:13:59", "start": "03:13:55", "text": "acronym for a lot of different reasons"}, {"end": "03:14:03", "start": "03:13:56", "text": "but some sort of"}, {"end": "03:14:03", "start": "03:13:59", "text": "highintellect highcapacity human being."}, {"end": "03:14:04", "start": "03:14:03", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:14:06", "start": "03:14:03", "text": "You know"}, {"end": "03:14:07", "start": "03:14:04", "text": "um"}, {"end": "03:14:09", "start": "03:14:06", "text": "they they might have been at that"}, {"end": "03:14:11", "start": "03:14:07", "text": "hearing. They might have been at that"}, {"end": "03:14:12", "start": "03:14:09", "text": "UFO conference. They're probably all"}, {"end": "03:14:12", "start": "03:14:11", "text": "over the place."}, {"end": "03:14:14", "start": "03:14:12", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:14:15", "start": "03:14:12", "text": "Who are they? What are they? What are"}, {"end": "03:14:18", "start": "03:14:14", "text": "they doing?"}, {"end": "03:14:20", "start": "03:14:15", "text": "If you can just instantiate, you know,"}, {"end": "03:14:22", "start": "03:14:18", "text": "and sort of occupy someone else's"}, {"end": "03:14:24", "start": "03:14:20", "text": "consciousness temporarily with or"}, {"end": "03:14:25", "start": "03:14:22", "text": "without them knowing, why wouldn't you"}, {"end": "03:14:26", "start": "03:14:24", "text": "be there?"}, {"end": "03:14:28", "start": "03:14:25", "text": "Yeah. And and that's I mean that's not"}, {"end": "03:14:30", "start": "03:14:26", "text": "even what I was talking about. Like I'm"}, {"end": "03:14:30", "start": "03:14:28", "text": "talking about ones who are full-time"}, {"end": "03:14:31", "start": "03:14:30", "text": "physical"}, {"end": "03:14:33", "start": "03:14:30", "text": "physically. Sure."}, {"end": "03:14:34", "start": "03:14:31", "text": "That but then yeah, if you add that"}, {"end": "03:14:35", "start": "03:14:33", "text": "component of it"}, {"end": "03:14:37", "start": "03:14:34", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:14:38", "start": "03:14:35", "text": "that could be a lot of people or any of"}, {"end": "03:14:41", "start": "03:14:37", "text": "us potentially."}, {"end": "03:14:43", "start": "03:14:38", "text": "Yeah. like like you know I do know I was"}, {"end": "03:14:46", "start": "03:14:41", "text": "being used in that way in writing one"}, {"end": "03:14:48", "start": "03:14:43", "text": "specific part of that book. Um a lot of"}, {"end": "03:14:49", "start": "03:14:46", "text": "it was sort of flow state creative"}, {"end": "03:14:53", "start": "03:14:48", "text": "writing like we were talking about."}, {"end": "03:14:54", "start": "03:14:49", "text": "There was one actual moment where I know"}, {"end": "03:14:54", "start": "03:14:53", "text": "that happened to me"}, {"end": "03:14:56", "start": "03:14:54", "text": "really"}, {"end": "03:14:59", "start": "03:14:54", "text": "and I don't think there's anything"}, {"end": "03:15:02", "start": "03:14:56", "text": "special about me or my physiology or or"}, {"end": "03:15:06", "start": "03:14:59", "text": "anything. It was I think it's just a"}, {"end": "03:15:08", "start": "03:15:02", "text": "complete openness and and like so this"}, {"end": "03:15:10", "start": "03:15:06", "text": "is this was kind of a funny experience I"}, {"end": "03:15:14", "start": "03:15:08", "text": "had a couple weeks ago."}, {"end": "03:15:16", "start": "03:15:10", "text": "I couldn't remember the name to the Bob"}, {"end": "03:15:18", "start": "03:15:14", "text": "Dylan movie that just came out."}, {"end": "03:15:19", "start": "03:15:16", "text": "Um uh it's complet."}, {"end": "03:15:20", "start": "03:15:18", "text": "Yeah, Complete Unknown. I was going to"}, {"end": "03:15:23", "start": "03:15:19", "text": "say it's a song,"}, {"end": "03:15:25", "start": "03:15:20", "text": "but I could not think of the name and"}, {"end": "03:15:26", "start": "03:15:23", "text": "and my daughter looked it up eventually."}, {"end": "03:15:28", "start": "03:15:25", "text": "It was like, \"Don't tell me, you know,"}, {"end": "03:15:30", "start": "03:15:26", "text": "I'm going to I'm going to tell me"}, {"end": "03:15:32", "start": "03:15:28", "text": "telepathically and I'm just going to\""}, {"end": "03:15:35", "start": "03:15:30", "text": "And so I was trying to like read her"}, {"end": "03:15:37", "start": "03:15:32", "text": "mind and then I was like, \"Wait a"}, {"end": "03:15:39", "start": "03:15:35", "text": "minute. That's the wrong way to do it. I"}, {"end": "03:15:42", "start": "03:15:37", "text": "need to turn my mind off and just let"}, {"end": "03:15:44", "start": "03:15:39", "text": "her thoughts come into my empty brain.\""}, {"end": "03:15:45", "start": "03:15:42", "text": "And I was like, \"Okay, wait. Now try"}, {"end": "03:15:47", "start": "03:15:44", "text": "it.\" Turned off my brain. I said a"}, {"end": "03:15:50", "start": "03:15:45", "text": "complete unknown"}, {"end": "03:15:52", "start": "03:15:47", "text": "with her as she said it out of her mind."}, {"end": "03:15:54", "start": "03:15:50", "text": "And obviously you could say, well, you"}, {"end": "03:15:56", "start": "03:15:52", "text": "just remembered at the right time or you"}, {"end": "03:15:58", "start": "03:15:54", "text": "know, she was behind me. I couldn't see"}, {"end": "03:16:00", "start": "03:15:56", "text": "her phone. I just turned my brain off,"}, {"end": "03:16:02", "start": "03:15:58", "text": "heard her voice in my mind. There was"}, {"end": "03:16:04", "start": "03:16:00", "text": "another one"}, {"end": "03:16:06", "start": "03:16:02", "text": "about last month where I was doing a"}, {"end": "03:16:07", "start": "03:16:04", "text": "really deep state meditation. I was"}, {"end": "03:16:12", "start": "03:16:06", "text": "sitting in my favorite chair."}, {"end": "03:16:13", "start": "03:16:07", "text": "Uh had my my like blackout eye thing,"}, {"end": "03:16:16", "start": "03:16:12", "text": "like a mindset type deal. Yeah."}, {"end": "03:16:19", "start": "03:16:13", "text": "Yeah. Noise cancelling headphones. I'm"}, {"end": "03:16:21", "start": "03:16:16", "text": "just like out of reality, I guess. My"}, {"end": "03:16:22", "start": "03:16:19", "text": "wife came up and she was standing there"}, {"end": "03:16:24", "start": "03:16:21", "text": "just kind of watching for a little bit,"}, {"end": "03:16:27", "start": "03:16:22", "text": "wanted to do her own little experiment."}, {"end": "03:16:28", "start": "03:16:24", "text": "So at some point after she said about"}, {"end": "03:16:32", "start": "03:16:27", "text": "four or five minutes, she went,"}, {"end": "03:16:33", "start": "03:16:28", "text": "\"Michael.\" And I heard that in my head,"}, {"end": "03:16:36", "start": "03:16:32", "text": "took my headphones off and looked right"}, {"end": "03:16:37", "start": "03:16:33", "text": "at her at that exact moment. She was"}, {"end": "03:16:38", "start": "03:16:36", "text": "like, \"I wondered if that would work.\""}, {"end": "03:16:40", "start": "03:16:37", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "03:16:42", "start": "03:16:38", "text": "So I think like a lot of telepathy isn't"}, {"end": "03:16:44", "start": "03:16:40", "text": "really like, you know, like you see in"}, {"end": "03:16:46", "start": "03:16:42", "text": "the old sci-fi movies. I think it's"}, {"end": "03:16:48", "start": "03:16:44", "text": "really just a you know like what you do"}, {"end": "03:16:49", "start": "03:16:46", "text": "in meditation like just turning your"}, {"end": "03:16:51", "start": "03:16:48", "text": "damn brain off."}, {"end": "03:16:53", "start": "03:16:49", "text": "Whoa. Yeah. And it does strike me as"}, {"end": "03:16:56", "start": "03:16:51", "text": "something that is that would be"}, {"end": "03:16:58", "start": "03:16:53", "text": "for the most part pretty subtle you know"}, {"end": "03:17:00", "start": "03:16:56", "text": "like it would it's like a faint signal."}, {"end": "03:17:02", "start": "03:16:58", "text": "Um especially if we're just starting."}, {"end": "03:17:04", "start": "03:17:00", "text": "Yeah. For now. That's what I was about"}, {"end": "03:17:05", "start": "03:17:02", "text": "to say. If we're just starting,"}, {"end": "03:17:06", "start": "03:17:04", "text": "it's not"}, {"end": "03:17:09", "start": "03:17:05", "text": "it's not going to be this this cry or"}, {"end": "03:17:11", "start": "03:17:06", "text": "this like it'll be like a small little"}, {"end": "03:17:12", "start": "03:17:09", "text": "intuitive, you know, perhaps"}, {"end": "03:17:14", "start": "03:17:11", "text": "fun to think about like these little"}, {"end": "03:17:15", "start": "03:17:12", "text": "baby steps of telepathy that we're"}, {"end": "03:17:17", "start": "03:17:14", "text": "taking"}, {"end": "03:17:19", "start": "03:17:15", "text": "that eventually are just going to be,"}, {"end": "03:17:21", "start": "03:17:17", "text": "you know, like, wow, I can't believe it"}, {"end": "03:17:22", "start": "03:17:19", "text": "was ever this hard to do in like a"}, {"end": "03:17:24", "start": "03:17:21", "text": "hundred years, thousand years. I don't"}, {"end": "03:17:26", "start": "03:17:22", "text": "know how long it'll take, but"}, {"end": "03:17:27", "start": "03:17:24", "text": "Well, we got the SI games coming up,"}, {"end": "03:17:29", "start": "03:17:26", "text": "dude. Yeah, I watched your interview"}, {"end": "03:17:31", "start": "03:17:27", "text": "with uh Ller."}, {"end": "03:17:34", "start": "03:17:29", "text": "Really interesting. That sounds super"}, {"end": "03:17:35", "start": "03:17:31", "text": "cool. He's an interesting guy and uh I I"}, {"end": "03:17:37", "start": "03:17:34", "text": "think it's so cool that we get to test"}, {"end": "03:17:39", "start": "03:17:35", "text": "this out. And you know something I've"}, {"end": "03:17:43", "start": "03:17:37", "text": "watched a video of Russell Tars recently"}, {"end": "03:17:48", "start": "03:17:39", "text": "where he was saying that they're you"}, {"end": "03:17:51", "start": "03:17:43", "text": "know um the environment of knowing that"}, {"end": "03:17:52", "start": "03:17:48", "text": "it will work actually, you know,"}, {"end": "03:17:55", "start": "03:17:51", "text": "amplifies the results. And that's"}, {"end": "03:17:57", "start": "03:17:52", "text": "something that he took into SRRI when"}, {"end": "03:17:59", "start": "03:17:55", "text": "they did a lot of that work as well was"}, {"end": "03:18:00", "start": "03:17:57", "text": "they didn't say we're going to try this."}, {"end": "03:18:04", "start": "03:17:59", "text": "They said, \"Here's what we're doing"}, {"end": "03:18:05", "start": "03:18:00", "text": "today.\" And just that assumption of"}, {"end": "03:18:06", "start": "03:18:04", "text": "these things working"}, {"end": "03:18:08", "start": "03:18:05", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:18:10", "start": "03:18:06", "text": "uh amplify and and you don't even have"}, {"end": "03:18:11", "start": "03:18:08", "text": "to be in the psychic realm to confirm"}, {"end": "03:18:13", "start": "03:18:10", "text": "that. You know, there's there's actual"}, {"end": "03:18:15", "start": "03:18:11", "text": "studies done on, you know, telling"}, {"end": "03:18:18", "start": "03:18:13", "text": "students uh you know, a few of you are"}, {"end": "03:18:20", "start": "03:18:15", "text": "geniuses. Um we we know because we've"}, {"end": "03:18:22", "start": "03:18:18", "text": "studied you. Um it hasn't shown up in"}, {"end": "03:18:24", "start": "03:18:20", "text": "your last test, but it's like a latency"}, {"end": "03:18:26", "start": "03:18:22", "text": "thing, so it'll come up, but we know"}, {"end": "03:18:28", "start": "03:18:24", "text": "this already about you. So, and just"}, {"end": "03:18:30", "start": "03:18:26", "text": "saying that and watching the IQ level"}, {"end": "03:18:31", "start": "03:18:28", "text": "rise after that. Right. So, it's almost"}, {"end": "03:18:33", "start": "03:18:30", "text": "like this Yeah. this subtle confidence"}, {"end": "03:18:35", "start": "03:18:31", "text": "that you're able to give people that it"}, {"end": "03:18:36", "start": "03:18:33", "text": "that it is real and this knowing"}, {"end": "03:18:37", "start": "03:18:35", "text": "happens."}, {"end": "03:18:39", "start": "03:18:36", "text": "Well, isn't that also related to the"}, {"end": "03:18:41", "start": "03:18:37", "text": "manifesting that you were talking about"}, {"end": "03:18:43", "start": "03:18:39", "text": "earlier that if you imagine that not as"}, {"end": "03:18:44", "start": "03:18:41", "text": "something you want but something you"}, {"end": "03:18:45", "start": "03:18:43", "text": "have or are"}, {"end": "03:18:46", "start": "03:18:44", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:18:48", "start": "03:18:45", "text": "then it comes easier."}, {"end": "03:18:51", "start": "03:18:46", "text": "It's a knowing. It's a it's it's a"}, {"end": "03:18:52", "start": "03:18:48", "text": "misplaced confidence. whatever this is,"}, {"end": "03:18:54", "start": "03:18:51", "text": "but it seems like that's a really good"}, {"end": "03:18:57", "start": "03:18:52", "text": "factor and it's not something we've"}, {"end": "03:18:59", "start": "03:18:54", "text": "readily been able to do publicly with"}, {"end": "03:19:01", "start": "03:18:57", "text": "the SA stuff."}, {"end": "03:19:03", "start": "03:18:59", "text": "You have James Randy and this like whole"}, {"end": "03:19:05", "start": "03:19:01", "text": "like sort of like if you're if you can"}, {"end": "03:19:06", "start": "03:19:03", "text": "prove anything paranormal, we'll give"}, {"end": "03:19:08", "start": "03:19:05", "text": "you a million dollars, but the way this"}, {"end": "03:19:10", "start": "03:19:06", "text": "was set up was very skeptical and we"}, {"end": "03:19:12", "start": "03:19:08", "text": "don't believe you anyways and like and"}, {"end": "03:19:13", "start": "03:19:10", "text": "so not very conducive. Not to say that"}, {"end": "03:19:15", "start": "03:19:12", "text": "anyone was psychic that went on that"}, {"end": "03:19:17", "start": "03:19:13", "text": "show, but definitely not conducive to"}, {"end": "03:19:19", "start": "03:19:15", "text": "allowing psychic behavior to happen."}, {"end": "03:19:21", "start": "03:19:17", "text": "Yeah, Dean Raiden mentioned that in his"}, {"end": "03:19:22", "start": "03:19:19", "text": "book too and said the exact same thing"}, {"end": "03:19:23", "start": "03:19:21", "text": "that like you can't expect people to"}, {"end": "03:19:23", "start": "03:19:22", "text": "work."}, {"end": "03:19:25", "start": "03:19:23", "text": "There's a bias."}, {"end": "03:19:28", "start": "03:19:23", "text": "Yeah, there's a bias inherent that we"}, {"end": "03:19:31", "start": "03:19:25", "text": "offer here aside from weekly updates and"}, {"end": "03:19:33", "start": "03:19:28", "text": "all sorts of extras is the chance to ask"}, {"end": "03:19:37", "start": "03:19:31", "text": "our guest a question. And I have a few"}, {"end": "03:19:43", "start": "03:19:33", "text": "here that I've handpicked. And so we"}, {"end": "03:19:43", "start": "03:19:37", "text": "will start with this one from TH Perry."}, {"end": "03:19:51", "start": "03:19:47", "text": "Are the grays a biological end point or"}, {"end": "03:19:55", "start": "03:19:50", "text": "a transitional phase?"}, {"end": "03:19:58", "start": "03:19:51", "text": "Oh, I love that question."}, {"end": "03:19:59", "start": "03:19:55", "text": "I when I wrote my first book, I would"}, {"end": "03:20:03", "start": "03:19:58", "text": "answer that differently than I would"}, {"end": "03:20:06", "start": "03:19:59", "text": "now. Um, I thought of them more as an"}, {"end": "03:20:08", "start": "03:20:03", "text": "end point where we're going as sort of"}, {"end": "03:20:12", "start": "03:20:06", "text": "not really a teological"}, {"end": "03:20:14", "start": "03:20:08", "text": "point in spaceime, but more of um this"}, {"end": "03:20:16", "start": "03:20:12", "text": "is where we get to the point that we can"}, {"end": "03:20:17", "start": "03:20:14", "text": "time travel and that's why we're seeing"}, {"end": "03:20:19", "start": "03:20:16", "text": "them which as I mentioned earlier was a"}, {"end": "03:20:21", "start": "03:20:17", "text": "limited view because then I learned that"}, {"end": "03:20:22", "start": "03:20:19", "text": "a lot of them are human. In fact, the"}, {"end": "03:20:25", "start": "03:20:21", "text": "majority"}, {"end": "03:20:28", "start": "03:20:22", "text": "are humanl looking. Um now I would"}, {"end": "03:20:32", "start": "03:20:25", "text": "answer that question with I think they"}, {"end": "03:20:33", "start": "03:20:28", "text": "are also a transitional species in the"}, {"end": "03:20:38", "start": "03:20:32", "text": "sense that I think because our"}, {"end": "03:20:40", "start": "03:20:33", "text": "consciousness is foundational and the"}, {"end": "03:20:44", "start": "03:20:38", "text": "quantum level and the classical"}, {"end": "03:20:46", "start": "03:20:40", "text": "mechanical level all is built on top of"}, {"end": "03:20:48", "start": "03:20:44", "text": "that that we're eventually going to get"}, {"end": "03:20:51", "start": "03:20:46", "text": "to the point where these bodies are"}, {"end": "03:20:56", "start": "03:20:48", "text": "almost seen as a redundancy and we sort"}, {"end": "03:20:58", "start": "03:20:51", "text": "of return to or reach the point that we"}, {"end": "03:21:02", "start": "03:20:56", "text": "become"}, {"end": "03:21:04", "start": "03:20:58", "text": "so aware of that ethereal"}, {"end": "03:21:07", "start": "03:21:02", "text": "soul consciousness"}, {"end": "03:21:10", "start": "03:21:04", "text": "that those bodies are irrelevant and"}, {"end": "03:21:14", "start": "03:21:07", "text": "potentially just I guess for lack of a"}, {"end": "03:21:15", "start": "03:21:10", "text": "better phrase like um soul vehicles of"}, {"end": "03:21:18", "start": "03:21:14", "text": "sorts"}, {"end": "03:21:21", "start": "03:21:15", "text": "and that might be what those you know"}, {"end": "03:21:23", "start": "03:21:18", "text": "future humans are even you know if if"}, {"end": "03:21:25", "start": "03:21:21", "text": "we're if for looking back to past"}, {"end": "03:21:26", "start": "03:21:23", "text": "experiences with, you know, people being"}, {"end": "03:21:28", "start": "03:21:25", "text": "conduits for some type of other"}, {"end": "03:21:29", "start": "03:21:26", "text": "intelligence."}, {"end": "03:21:30", "start": "03:21:28", "text": "Perhaps that's exactly what's happening"}, {"end": "03:21:31", "start": "03:21:29", "text": "already."}, {"end": "03:21:34", "start": "03:21:30", "text": "And that's why I think they were so"}, {"end": "03:21:36", "start": "03:21:31", "text": "elusive when I asked future humans"}, {"end": "03:21:39", "start": "03:21:34", "text": "because they could be future humans that"}, {"end": "03:21:41", "start": "03:21:36", "text": "are at the point where they transcend"}, {"end": "03:21:44", "start": "03:21:39", "text": "time and space altogether and don't need"}, {"end": "03:21:45", "start": "03:21:41", "text": "to be great aliens and UFOs to be who"}, {"end": "03:21:47", "start": "03:21:44", "text": "they are."}, {"end": "03:21:49", "start": "03:21:45", "text": "Don't need an actual time machine."}, {"end": "03:21:53", "start": "03:21:47", "text": "Yeah, exactly. Exactly."}, {"end": "03:21:56", "start": "03:21:49", "text": "Great question, Perry. Thank you."}, {"end": "03:21:57", "start": "03:21:53", "text": "Got another one here. I think we"}, {"end": "03:22:02", "start": "03:21:56", "text": "answered this one a little bit. I think"}, {"end": "03:22:02", "start": "03:21:57", "text": "you touched on it, but we can"}, {"end": "03:22:05", "start": "03:22:03", "text": "we can dive"}, {"end": "03:22:07", "start": "03:22:03", "text": "dive in a little bit more. How does an"}, {"end": "03:22:08", "start": "03:22:05", "text": "extraterrestrial navigate the"}, {"end": "03:22:10", "start": "03:22:07", "text": "grandfather paradox?"}, {"end": "03:22:12", "start": "03:22:08", "text": "No, that is a a good question for this"}, {"end": "03:22:14", "start": "03:22:10", "text": "conversation because I talked about the"}, {"end": "03:22:17", "start": "03:22:12", "text": "bootstrap paradox but not the"}, {"end": "03:22:19", "start": "03:22:14", "text": "grandfather paradox. Um well, sort of"}, {"end": "03:22:22", "start": "03:22:17", "text": "touched on it but didn't directly"}, {"end": "03:22:24", "start": "03:22:19", "text": "address. Um, see I do appreciate that"}, {"end": "03:22:26", "start": "03:22:22", "text": "question. Within the block universe"}, {"end": "03:22:28", "start": "03:22:24", "text": "model, there are no paradoxes because"}, {"end": "03:22:30", "start": "03:22:26", "text": "you can't go back and kill your"}, {"end": "03:22:33", "start": "03:22:28", "text": "grandfather in the first place. Those"}, {"end": "03:22:35", "start": "03:22:30", "text": "moments are already structured. They"}, {"end": "03:22:38", "start": "03:22:33", "text": "already have an existence within this"}, {"end": "03:22:41", "start": "03:22:35", "text": "four-dimensional block of all events,"}, {"end": "03:22:42", "start": "03:22:38", "text": "past, present, and future. Um, so you"}, {"end": "03:22:47", "start": "03:22:41", "text": "can go back and interact with the past,"}, {"end": "03:22:50", "start": "03:22:42", "text": "but you're not changing anything. So you"}, {"end": "03:22:53", "start": "03:22:47", "text": "go back, you walk around, you pet dogs,"}, {"end": "03:22:56", "start": "03:22:50", "text": "you kiss goats, you make babies, and"}, {"end": "03:22:57", "start": "03:22:53", "text": "then come back to the future. Nothing's"}, {"end": "03:23:00", "start": "03:22:56", "text": "different because you had always already"}, {"end": "03:23:02", "start": "03:22:57", "text": "done those things in the past. So you"}, {"end": "03:23:04", "start": "03:23:00", "text": "get back, you were a part of that past,"}, {"end": "03:23:06", "start": "03:23:02", "text": "you didn't change anything. So if your"}, {"end": "03:23:08", "start": "03:23:04", "text": "grandfather was alive, if you were"}, {"end": "03:23:11", "start": "03:23:06", "text": "alive, you don't kill them because you"}, {"end": "03:23:13", "start": "03:23:08", "text": "didn't kill them. And one thing that"}, {"end": "03:23:16", "start": "03:23:11", "text": "helps people conceptualize this is that"}, {"end": "03:23:18", "start": "03:23:13", "text": "we often look back at the past and we're"}, {"end": "03:23:21", "start": "03:23:16", "text": "like, \"Oh, all those things are done."}, {"end": "03:23:23", "start": "03:23:18", "text": "That's solid. That's in the registry."}, {"end": "03:23:25", "start": "03:23:21", "text": "Can't change it.\" Well, there's all"}, {"end": "03:23:26", "start": "03:23:23", "text": "these things in the future. Future is"}, {"end": "03:23:28", "start": "03:23:25", "text": "wide open. We could do all of these"}, {"end": "03:23:30", "start": "03:23:26", "text": "different things. But we forget that"}, {"end": "03:23:32", "start": "03:23:28", "text": "that future is somebody else's past. And"}, {"end": "03:23:34", "start": "03:23:30", "text": "they're looking back on it the exact"}, {"end": "03:23:36", "start": "03:23:32", "text": "same way. And that's the essence of the"}, {"end": "03:23:39", "start": "03:23:34", "text": "block universe model is that all things"}, {"end": "03:23:41", "start": "03:23:36", "text": "are and you can interact. You can jump"}, {"end": "03:23:43", "start": "03:23:39", "text": "in and out, but you can't necessarily"}, {"end": "03:23:45", "start": "03:23:41", "text": "change things as perceived from the"}, {"end": "03:23:48", "start": "03:23:43", "text": "future, looking back into the past."}, {"end": "03:23:50", "start": "03:23:45", "text": "Wow. I'm uh I'm often reminded of like"}, {"end": "03:23:51", "start": "03:23:48", "text": "this uh this comedian said this uh I"}, {"end": "03:23:53", "start": "03:23:50", "text": "forget who it was, but they were talking"}, {"end": "03:23:57", "start": "03:23:51", "text": "about a skit where like they wanted to"}, {"end": "03:24:02", "start": "03:23:53", "text": "make this movie and it's this um it's"}, {"end": "03:24:04", "start": "03:23:57", "text": "this guy who's just defending his baby."}, {"end": "03:24:06", "start": "03:24:02", "text": "These time travelers are all trying to"}, {"end": "03:24:08", "start": "03:24:04", "text": "kill his baby and he's just constantly"}, {"end": "03:24:11", "start": "03:24:06", "text": "like fighting them off. and turns out"}, {"end": "03:24:14", "start": "03:24:08", "text": "the baby's Hitler and like he's just"}, {"end": "03:24:15", "start": "03:24:11", "text": "been trying to just save his own child,"}, {"end": "03:24:17", "start": "03:24:14", "text": "you know?"}, {"end": "03:24:18", "start": "03:24:15", "text": "Oh, that's a funny that's a funny bit."}, {"end": "03:24:19", "start": "03:24:17", "text": "If you ever come across that again, send"}, {"end": "03:24:21", "start": "03:24:18", "text": "it to me."}, {"end": "03:24:24", "start": "03:24:19", "text": "Yeah, that's a great idea for a movie."}, {"end": "03:24:28", "start": "03:24:21", "text": "What a twist."}, {"end": "03:24:28", "start": "03:24:24", "text": "All right, this is a good one"}, {"end": "03:24:33", "start": "03:24:29", "text": "from Hannah Hunt."}, {"end": "03:24:35", "start": "03:24:32", "text": "Cool name."}, {"end": "03:24:37", "start": "03:24:33", "text": "Do you think there would be time tourism"}, {"end": "03:24:39", "start": "03:24:35", "text": "agencies in the future? Now, this is a"}, {"end": "03:24:41", "start": "03:24:37", "text": "this is a legitimate question uh and and"}, {"end": "03:24:42", "start": "03:24:39", "text": "you know, part of a concern with the"}, {"end": "03:24:44", "start": "03:24:41", "text": "idea of time travel."}, {"end": "03:24:47", "start": "03:24:42", "text": "If time travel exists, where are all the"}, {"end": "03:24:51", "start": "03:24:44", "text": "tourists? Well, yeah, that was um"}, {"end": "03:24:53", "start": "03:24:47", "text": "Stephen Hawkings stumbling block. Um but"}, {"end": "03:24:55", "start": "03:24:51", "text": "I would argue that we see them all the"}, {"end": "03:24:59", "start": "03:24:53", "text": "time. They're just not allowed to"}, {"end": "03:25:00", "start": "03:24:55", "text": "interact. Um, well, and I I specifically"}, {"end": "03:25:04", "start": "03:24:59", "text": "addressed this toward the end of my"}, {"end": "03:25:08", "start": "03:25:00", "text": "first book, uh, because I point out that"}, {"end": "03:25:09", "start": "03:25:04", "text": "the most visited sites currently are"}, {"end": "03:25:12", "start": "03:25:08", "text": "historic and prehistoric sites. People"}, {"end": "03:25:16", "start": "03:25:09", "text": "are already interested in the past in"}, {"end": "03:25:18", "start": "03:25:12", "text": "these places where really interesting"}, {"end": "03:25:19", "start": "03:25:16", "text": "things took place, interesting cultures"}, {"end": "03:25:24", "start": "03:25:18", "text": "lived. They built really amazing"}, {"end": "03:25:27", "start": "03:25:19", "text": "structures and art and history. So,"}, {"end": "03:25:31", "start": "03:25:24", "text": "I also argued that there's a good chance"}, {"end": "03:25:33", "start": "03:25:27", "text": "that time travel technology, at least in"}, {"end": "03:25:35", "start": "03:25:31", "text": "the way we would see it in linear time,"}, {"end": "03:25:36", "start": "03:25:33", "text": "cuz again, if there's time machines in"}, {"end": "03:25:38", "start": "03:25:35", "text": "the future, they exist at any point they"}, {"end": "03:25:40", "start": "03:25:36", "text": "can reach, regardless of when that is."}, {"end": "03:25:43", "start": "03:25:38", "text": "But as far as when we see the actual"}, {"end": "03:25:46", "start": "03:25:40", "text": "creation in this linear time could"}, {"end": "03:25:48", "start": "03:25:43", "text": "possibly be and I would argue there's"}, {"end": "03:25:50", "start": "03:25:46", "text": "good reason to believe it might be"}, {"end": "03:25:53", "start": "03:25:48", "text": "developed because of the incentive in"}, {"end": "03:25:55", "start": "03:25:50", "text": "the private sector to fill that demand"}, {"end": "03:25:57", "start": "03:25:53", "text": "for time tourism."}, {"end": "03:25:57", "start": "03:25:55", "text": "H like that would be enough to drive it"}, {"end": "03:25:58", "start": "03:25:57", "text": "forward."}, {"end": "03:26:01", "start": "03:25:57", "text": "We see it right now. Yeah."}, {"end": "03:26:03", "start": "03:25:58", "text": "We with Blue Origin, with SpaceX, with"}, {"end": "03:26:05", "start": "03:26:01", "text": "the Branson guy, the"}, {"end": "03:26:06", "start": "03:26:03", "text": "taking people to space. They pay a lot"}, {"end": "03:26:08", "start": "03:26:05", "text": "of money for that."}, {"end": "03:26:09", "start": "03:26:06", "text": "Imagine that with time. how much money"}, {"end": "03:26:11", "start": "03:26:08", "text": "you could make taking people to the"}, {"end": "03:26:12", "start": "03:26:09", "text": "past. Again, they're probably the ones"}, {"end": "03:26:14", "start": "03:26:11", "text": "you see up in the clouds. Yeah."}, {"end": "03:26:15", "start": "03:26:12", "text": "They're not the ones coming down picking"}, {"end": "03:26:17", "start": "03:26:14", "text": "people up. That seems like scientific"}, {"end": "03:26:19", "start": "03:26:15", "text": "research. Yeah. But"}, {"end": "03:26:21", "start": "03:26:17", "text": "all the ones you see kind of hiding, you"}, {"end": "03:26:22", "start": "03:26:19", "text": "know, like doing this, that might be"}, {"end": "03:26:24", "start": "03:26:21", "text": "full of tourists."}, {"end": "03:26:26", "start": "03:26:22", "text": "You know, one thought that pops into my"}, {"end": "03:26:29", "start": "03:26:24", "text": "mind is that if you do have the"}, {"end": "03:26:32", "start": "03:26:26", "text": "technology to create time travel, you"}, {"end": "03:26:34", "start": "03:26:29", "text": "also have the technology to fake it,"}, {"end": "03:26:35", "start": "03:26:32", "text": "right? As a magician. That's where my"}, {"end": "03:26:37", "start": "03:26:34", "text": "head goes."}, {"end": "03:26:39", "start": "03:26:35", "text": "Of course it does. That's a good point."}, {"end": "03:26:41", "start": "03:26:37", "text": "So, I mean, you wouldn't need actual"}, {"end": "03:26:42", "start": "03:26:39", "text": "time travel. You would just need to make"}, {"end": "03:26:44", "start": "03:26:41", "text": "them think it's time travel by some"}, {"end": "03:26:46", "start": "03:26:42", "text": "means of virtual reality"}, {"end": "03:26:47", "start": "03:26:44", "text": "to to an extent. Yeah. And I mean, that"}, {"end": "03:26:48", "start": "03:26:46", "text": "could be"}, {"end": "03:26:50", "start": "03:26:47", "text": "and just sell it as is,"}, {"end": "03:26:54", "start": "03:26:48", "text": "right? The the problem, at least with"}, {"end": "03:26:56", "start": "03:26:50", "text": "the way the situation works currently is"}, {"end": "03:26:58", "start": "03:26:54", "text": "that they seemingly try to hide that it"}, {"end": "03:26:59", "start": "03:26:56", "text": "is time travel by saying they're"}, {"end": "03:27:01", "start": "03:26:58", "text": "extraterrestrials, right?"}, {"end": "03:27:03", "start": "03:26:59", "text": "They did that for a very long time."}, {"end": "03:27:04", "start": "03:27:01", "text": "Like, oh, where you from? All these"}, {"end": "03:27:06", "start": "03:27:03", "text": "stars, don't worry about it. But there"}, {"end": "03:27:09", "start": "03:27:04", "text": "are cases more recently where they do"}, {"end": "03:27:11", "start": "03:27:06", "text": "say we are you from the future"}, {"end": "03:27:12", "start": "03:27:09", "text": "or or like Whitley's case, you know,"}, {"end": "03:27:15", "start": "03:27:11", "text": "he's like you're so damn ugly. He's"}, {"end": "03:27:16", "start": "03:27:12", "text": "like, \"Oh my dear, someday you will look"}, {"end": "03:27:20", "start": "03:27:15", "text": "just like us.\" Like there's so many"}, {"end": "03:27:22", "start": "03:27:16", "text": "little things that seem like cryptic,"}, {"end": "03:27:23", "start": "03:27:20", "text": "you know, but yeah, you're right."}, {"end": "03:27:25", "start": "03:27:22", "text": "Absolutely. It could all be an illusion."}, {"end": "03:27:26", "start": "03:27:23", "text": "I mean, the whole phenomenon could be"}, {"end": "03:27:26", "start": "03:27:25", "text": "for that matter."}, {"end": "03:27:28", "start": "03:27:26", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:27:31", "start": "03:27:26", "text": "It's fun. One of my favorite things"}, {"end": "03:27:35", "start": "03:27:28", "text": "about having these conversations is the"}, {"end": "03:27:37", "start": "03:27:31", "text": "people I get to talk to have so many"}, {"end": "03:27:40", "start": "03:27:35", "text": "different perspectives. Like you as a a"}, {"end": "03:27:43", "start": "03:27:37", "text": "professional magician for 20 years have"}, {"end": "03:27:44", "start": "03:27:40", "text": "such like um your starting point is so"}, {"end": "03:27:46", "start": "03:27:43", "text": "different. Like recently I've been"}, {"end": "03:27:48", "start": "03:27:44", "text": "talking to a lot of comedians for some"}, {"end": "03:27:49", "start": "03:27:46", "text": "point, you know, which I love too cuz"}, {"end": "03:27:50", "start": "03:27:48", "text": "it's just everything is so like"}, {"end": "03:27:52", "start": "03:27:49", "text": "they're like philosophers as well."}, {"end": "03:27:54", "start": "03:27:50", "text": "Yes. Yes. Cuz they see every little"}, {"end": "03:27:56", "start": "03:27:52", "text": "detail of reality"}, {"end": "03:27:58", "start": "03:27:54", "text": "and and the funny bits of it, you know."}, {"end": "03:28:00", "start": "03:27:56", "text": "It's enlightening to speak to comedians."}, {"end": "03:28:02", "start": "03:27:58", "text": "Yeah. One of my favorite comedians is"}, {"end": "03:28:04", "start": "03:28:00", "text": "Reggie Watts and he was asked on a"}, {"end": "03:28:06", "start": "03:28:02", "text": "podcast, if aliens came down, because"}, {"end": "03:28:07", "start": "03:28:04", "text": "he's really into the UFO phenomenon. I"}, {"end": "03:28:09", "start": "03:28:06", "text": "think he got to ask Obama. I saw that"}, {"end": "03:28:11", "start": "03:28:07", "text": "once. Yeah."}, {"end": "03:28:12", "start": "03:28:09", "text": "But he was like, \"If aliens came down,"}, {"end": "03:28:14", "start": "03:28:11", "text": "who would you want to be the first"}, {"end": "03:28:16", "start": "03:28:12", "text": "people to meet him?\" And he said, \"Alex"}, {"end": "03:28:17", "start": "03:28:14", "text": "Gray, the artist, you know, who makes"}, {"end": "03:28:19", "start": "03:28:16", "text": "all the fractal things.\" And then Sarah"}, {"end": "03:28:21", "start": "03:28:17", "text": "Silverman, which I completely agree"}, {"end": "03:28:23", "start": "03:28:19", "text": "with. Like those two people coming out"}, {"end": "03:28:25", "start": "03:28:21", "text": "to be ambassadors of humanity."}, {"end": "03:28:26", "start": "03:28:23", "text": "Yeah. I think he should go too because"}, {"end": "03:28:26", "start": "03:28:25", "text": "hilarious."}, {"end": "03:28:29", "start": "03:28:26", "text": "Yeah, I love"}, {"end": "03:28:30", "start": "03:28:26", "text": "I think Jake Paul um and they should"}, {"end": "03:28:33", "start": "03:28:29", "text": "fight."}, {"end": "03:28:36", "start": "03:28:30", "text": "They should fight or fake."}, {"end": "03:28:36", "start": "03:28:33", "text": "Oh, too soon."}, {"end": "03:28:43", "start": "03:28:37", "text": "U question here by Toot McScoot."}, {"end": "03:28:46", "start": "03:28:39", "text": "Man, these names are epic."}, {"end": "03:28:48", "start": "03:28:43", "text": "And we'll end on this one."}, {"end": "03:28:53", "start": "03:28:46", "text": "Toot moot."}, {"end": "03:28:53", "start": "03:28:48", "text": "What's your favorite time travel movie?"}, {"end": "03:28:59", "start": "03:28:56", "text": "What's going through your head right"}, {"end": "03:29:01", "start": "03:28:57", "text": "now? What are you What are you putting"}, {"end": "03:29:03", "start": "03:28:59", "text": "it up against? You got the classics. We"}, {"end": "03:29:04", "start": "03:29:01", "text": "got obviously Back to the Future."}, {"end": "03:29:05", "start": "03:29:03", "text": "Oh, no. God, I hate that movie."}, {"end": "03:29:05", "start": "03:29:04", "text": "Really?"}, {"end": "03:29:08", "start": "03:29:05", "text": "Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "03:29:10", "start": "03:29:05", "text": "No way. You can't ruins the brains of an"}, {"end": "03:29:12", "start": "03:29:08", "text": "entire generation. It made them think"}, {"end": "03:29:14", "start": "03:29:10", "text": "you can change the past."}, {"end": "03:29:16", "start": "03:29:12", "text": "They don't deal with the paradoxes."}, {"end": "03:29:16", "start": "03:29:14", "text": "They just throw a bunch of [\u00a0__\u00a0] out"}, {"end": "03:29:18", "start": "03:29:16", "text": "there."}, {"end": "03:29:20", "start": "03:29:16", "text": "And that's that's where a lot of people"}, {"end": "03:29:22", "start": "03:29:18", "text": "got their information about backward"}, {"end": "03:29:24", "start": "03:29:20", "text": "time travel. I hate that. If the"}, {"end": "03:29:25", "start": "03:29:22", "text": "question is what's your least favorite,"}, {"end": "03:29:27", "start": "03:29:24", "text": "it would be Back to the Future."}, {"end": "03:29:29", "start": "03:29:25", "text": "It's so funny cuz it's a great movie,"}, {"end": "03:29:30", "start": "03:29:27", "text": "but I understand how it's a terrible"}, {"end": "03:29:31", "start": "03:29:29", "text": "time travel movie. Um,"}, {"end": "03:29:32", "start": "03:29:30", "text": "good point."}, {"end": "03:29:33", "start": "03:29:31", "text": "Uh,"}, {"end": "03:29:35", "start": "03:29:32", "text": "I did love the movie."}, {"end": "03:29:37", "start": "03:29:33", "text": "There is a funny uh paradox in that"}, {"end": "03:29:39", "start": "03:29:35", "text": "movie that happens where he's like,"}, {"end": "03:29:41", "start": "03:29:37", "text": "\"Marty, hurry up. We got to go back.\""}, {"end": "03:29:41", "start": "03:29:39", "text": "It's like, you have a time machine. Why"}, {"end": "03:29:44", "start": "03:29:41", "text": "are we hurrying?"}, {"end": "03:29:46", "start": "03:29:41", "text": "There's no there's no rush here. No."}, {"end": "03:29:47", "start": "03:29:44", "text": "Okay. So, back to the question. What's"}, {"end": "03:29:52", "start": "03:29:46", "text": "your favorite? So, what was going"}, {"end": "03:29:53", "start": "03:29:47", "text": "through my mind is I was thinking about"}, {"end": "03:29:55", "start": "03:29:52", "text": "shows"}, {"end": "03:29:58", "start": "03:29:53", "text": "cuz I feel like there's a couple shows"}, {"end": "03:30:00", "start": "03:29:55", "text": "that did it better or at least did"}, {"end": "03:30:02", "start": "03:29:58", "text": "interesting things. But there is one"}, {"end": "03:30:08", "start": "03:30:00", "text": "movie I was also trying to remember the"}, {"end": "03:30:08", "start": "03:30:02", "text": "name of this movie. Um, it's with"}, {"end": "03:30:14", "start": "03:30:10", "text": "I can picture his face. Can't Ethan"}, {"end": "03:30:16", "start": "03:30:13", "text": "Hawk."}, {"end": "03:30:17", "start": "03:30:14", "text": "Mhm. It's called like It starts with an"}, {"end": "03:30:19", "start": "03:30:16", "text": "I."}, {"end": "03:30:21", "start": "03:30:17", "text": "It's like"}, {"end": "03:30:22", "start": "03:30:19", "text": "Are they Are they going back to fix"}, {"end": "03:30:24", "start": "03:30:21", "text": "things? It's like kind of like a"}, {"end": "03:30:25", "start": "03:30:22", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:30:26", "start": "03:30:24", "text": "Can we Can we cut and like look it up"}, {"end": "03:30:27", "start": "03:30:25", "text": "real fast or"}, {"end": "03:30:27", "start": "03:30:26", "text": "I'll look it up right now. We don't need"}, {"end": "03:30:29", "start": "03:30:27", "text": "to cut."}, {"end": "03:30:29", "start": "03:30:27", "text": "All right. I'll keep talking and you"}, {"end": "03:30:29", "start": "03:30:29", "text": "look it up."}, {"end": "03:30:31", "start": "03:30:29", "text": "All right."}, {"end": "03:30:33", "start": "03:30:29", "text": "Just look up Ethan Hawk time travel"}, {"end": "03:30:35", "start": "03:30:31", "text": "movie. It's like I know it starts with"}, {"end": "03:30:37", "start": "03:30:33", "text": "an I. I just can't remember the word."}, {"end": "03:30:39", "start": "03:30:35", "text": "But the the name is relevant."}, {"end": "03:30:41", "start": "03:30:37", "text": "Predestination. Tree Destination did not"}, {"end": "03:30:43", "start": "03:30:39", "text": "start with an I,"}, {"end": "03:30:44", "start": "03:30:41", "text": "but the name is very relevant to what it"}, {"end": "03:30:46", "start": "03:30:43", "text": "is."}, {"end": "03:30:49", "start": "03:30:44", "text": "Um, they did a pretty good job of like"}, {"end": "03:30:52", "start": "03:30:46", "text": "adhering cuz for me, a good time travel"}, {"end": "03:30:55", "start": "03:30:49", "text": "movie is one that actually tries to do a"}, {"end": "03:30:59", "start": "03:30:52", "text": "good job. Um,"}, {"end": "03:31:02", "start": "03:30:55", "text": "but it's hard because it's hard to write"}, {"end": "03:31:04", "start": "03:30:59", "text": "a story that adheres to"}, {"end": "03:31:06", "start": "03:31:02", "text": "self-consistency, the Navacov"}, {"end": "03:31:08", "start": "03:31:04", "text": "self-consistency principle. Uh there's a"}, {"end": "03:31:11", "start": "03:31:06", "text": "show called Dark. Love that show. It did"}, {"end": "03:31:14", "start": "03:31:08", "text": "a really good job with it. Um, there's"}, {"end": "03:31:15", "start": "03:31:11", "text": "also a show, again, not a movie, so"}, {"end": "03:31:18", "start": "03:31:14", "text": "we're kind of skirting the question"}, {"end": "03:31:20", "start": "03:31:15", "text": "here, called um, Travelers,"}, {"end": "03:31:23", "start": "03:31:18", "text": "which is a really interesting one"}, {"end": "03:31:25", "start": "03:31:20", "text": "because there's an AI component, too,"}, {"end": "03:31:27", "start": "03:31:23", "text": "where souls rather than physical time"}, {"end": "03:31:28", "start": "03:31:25", "text": "travel. Goes back to what we were"}, {"end": "03:31:31", "start": "03:31:27", "text": "talking about earlier in the interview"}, {"end": "03:31:34", "start": "03:31:28", "text": "with like, you know, maybe we're also"}, {"end": "03:31:35", "start": "03:31:31", "text": "living multiple lives and experiencing"}, {"end": "03:31:39", "start": "03:31:34", "text": "things in different bodies at different"}, {"end": "03:31:40", "start": "03:31:35", "text": "times. And in that particular show, they"}, {"end": "03:31:42", "start": "03:31:39", "text": "take over the bodies of people in the"}, {"end": "03:31:45", "start": "03:31:40", "text": "past, but all of it's being governed by"}, {"end": "03:31:47", "start": "03:31:42", "text": "this like central computer command"}, {"end": "03:31:50", "start": "03:31:45", "text": "center."}, {"end": "03:31:52", "start": "03:31:47", "text": "Um, and I think I think that's a good"}, {"end": "03:31:56", "start": "03:31:50", "text": "example of how we're likely living in"}, {"end": "03:31:58", "start": "03:31:52", "text": "more like a Seth Speaks soul traveling"}, {"end": "03:32:01", "start": "03:31:56", "text": "sort of situation, which is time travel,"}, {"end": "03:32:03", "start": "03:31:58", "text": "cuz you're taking individual essences,"}, {"end": "03:32:05", "start": "03:32:01", "text": "energies, and putting them in different"}, {"end": "03:32:08", "start": "03:32:03", "text": "bodies at different times. Um, as far as"}, {"end": "03:32:10", "start": "03:32:05", "text": "physical aspects of it, I think Dark is"}, {"end": "03:32:12", "start": "03:32:08", "text": "probably the best one. Um, again, not"}, {"end": "03:32:16", "start": "03:32:10", "text": "movies. And then Predestination is"}, {"end": "03:32:17", "start": "03:32:12", "text": "probably one of the best actual movies."}, {"end": "03:32:20", "start": "03:32:16", "text": "Arrival had a good time."}, {"end": "03:32:23", "start": "03:32:17", "text": "Arrival did too. Yeah, you're right. You"}, {"end": "03:32:25", "start": "03:32:20", "text": "know what? I'm going to go Future Human"}, {"end": "03:32:27", "start": "03:32:23", "text": "and say that the book Revelation: The"}, {"end": "03:32:30", "start": "03:32:25", "text": "Future Human Past when it's made into"}, {"end": "03:32:32", "start": "03:32:27", "text": "the movie is going to be the best time"}, {"end": "03:32:34", "start": "03:32:30", "text": "travel movie because I actually did it"}, {"end": "03:32:37", "start": "03:32:32", "text": "in the story."}, {"end": "03:32:40", "start": "03:32:34", "text": "Yeah. I actually stayed self-consistent"}, {"end": "03:32:42", "start": "03:32:37", "text": "and still wrote a story line, but I"}, {"end": "03:32:45", "start": "03:32:40", "text": "flipped it. So, in most of these, they"}, {"end": "03:32:47", "start": "03:32:42", "text": "start out with um sort of adherence to"}, {"end": "03:32:49", "start": "03:32:45", "text": "the self-consistency principle and then"}, {"end": "03:32:50", "start": "03:32:47", "text": "they write themselves into a corner and"}, {"end": "03:32:52", "start": "03:32:49", "text": "they're like, \"Oh, you know, many worlds"}, {"end": "03:32:54", "start": "03:32:50", "text": "is cool. Just do that.\" But then there's"}, {"end": "03:32:56", "start": "03:32:52", "text": "so many more paradoxes and they just"}, {"end": "03:32:56", "start": "03:32:54", "text": "brush them off, gloss over them, you"}, {"end": "03:32:58", "start": "03:32:56", "text": "know."}, {"end": "03:33:01", "start": "03:32:56", "text": "But this book did the opposite where I"}, {"end": "03:33:02", "start": "03:32:58", "text": "wrote it as many worlds and then it"}, {"end": "03:33:05", "start": "03:33:01", "text": "comes together. I don't think I'm giving"}, {"end": "03:33:07", "start": "03:33:02", "text": "too much away, but it comes together as"}, {"end": "03:33:10", "start": "03:33:05", "text": "adherence to self-consistency."}, {"end": "03:33:11", "start": "03:33:07", "text": "Is it a closed loop?"}, {"end": "03:33:11", "start": "03:33:10", "text": "It is."}, {"end": "03:33:13", "start": "03:33:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:33:15", "start": "03:33:11", "text": "Um, so if that ever gets made into a"}, {"end": "03:33:18", "start": "03:33:13", "text": "movie, looking at you, Spielberg,"}, {"end": "03:33:19", "start": "03:33:15", "text": "which camera, he only watches through"}, {"end": "03:33:21", "start": "03:33:18", "text": "looking at you Spielberg."}, {"end": "03:33:23", "start": "03:33:19", "text": "If that ever gets made, I do think"}, {"end": "03:33:23", "start": "03:33:21", "text": "because of the way the story unfolds"}, {"end": "03:33:25", "start": "03:33:23", "text": "that it'll"}, {"end": "03:33:26", "start": "03:33:23", "text": "that it would be a great time travel"}, {"end": "03:33:30", "start": "03:33:25", "text": "movie. Maybe the greatest."}, {"end": "03:33:32", "start": "03:33:26", "text": "Toot Mosscoot agree with me. I think"}, {"end": "03:33:34", "start": "03:33:30", "text": "that's awesome. All right. Well, Mike,"}, {"end": "03:33:35", "start": "03:33:32", "text": "thank you so much for for everything,"}, {"end": "03:33:37", "start": "03:33:34", "text": "man."}, {"end": "03:33:37", "start": "03:33:35", "text": "Dude, appreciate it. It's great talking"}, {"end": "03:33:40", "start": "03:33:37", "text": "to you."}, {"end": "03:33:44", "start": "03:33:37", "text": "I appreciate you. Um, is there anywhere"}, {"end": "03:33:46", "start": "03:33:40", "text": "folks can follow you? Is there like on X"}, {"end": "03:33:47", "start": "03:33:44", "text": "on Instagram or website people can go"}, {"end": "03:33:50", "start": "03:33:46", "text": "to?"}, {"end": "03:33:56", "start": "03:33:47", "text": "Yeah, I think so. Um, most of it's just"}, {"end": "03:33:58", "start": "03:33:50", "text": "either morph time m ho time uh or"}, {"end": "03:34:02", "start": "03:33:56", "text": "michael pmasters.com has links to those"}, {"end": "03:34:04", "start": "03:33:58", "text": "too. So, um, I don't update. I don't do"}, {"end": "03:34:05", "start": "03:34:02", "text": "a lot of cool stuff."}, {"end": "03:34:07", "start": "03:34:04", "text": "That's fine. But, but if you do,"}, {"end": "03:34:10", "start": "03:34:05", "text": "but I'm out there and people can reach"}, {"end": "03:34:12", "start": "03:34:07", "text": "out and I I do try to respond to"}, {"end": "03:34:14", "start": "03:34:10", "text": "everybody. It's not always possible"}, {"end": "03:34:14", "start": "03:34:12", "text": "obviously, but I do I do make an effort."}, {"end": "03:34:16", "start": "03:34:14", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "03:34:17", "start": "03:34:14", "text": "great. And if you guys want to check out"}, {"end": "03:34:18", "start": "03:34:16", "text": "his books, by the way, we're going to"}, {"end": "03:34:21", "start": "03:34:17", "text": "give we're going to give two of these"}, {"end": "03:34:25", "start": "03:34:18", "text": "books away of the extraterrestrial model"}, {"end": "03:34:27", "start": "03:34:21", "text": "signed by uh Michael himself. And uh to"}, {"end": "03:34:29", "start": "03:34:25", "text": "win them, I mean, these are going up for"}, {"end": "03:34:30", "start": "03:34:27", "text": "grabs for the members. So, if you're a"}, {"end": "03:34:32", "start": "03:34:29", "text": "member, you have a chance to win. I'll"}, {"end": "03:34:35", "start": "03:34:30", "text": "be picking two random members."}, {"end": "03:34:38", "start": "03:34:32", "text": "Wait, what if we did like they list"}, {"end": "03:34:39", "start": "03:34:35", "text": "their favorite time travel movies or"}, {"end": "03:34:40", "start": "03:34:38", "text": "shows?"}, {"end": "03:34:41", "start": "03:34:39", "text": "I like that."}, {"end": "03:34:42", "start": "03:34:40", "text": "And then uh"}, {"end": "03:34:44", "start": "03:34:41", "text": "I'll choose from one of them. Who?"}, {"end": "03:34:45", "start": "03:34:42", "text": "Well, it's got there's got to be a"}, {"end": "03:34:45", "start": "03:34:44", "text": "random element."}, {"end": "03:34:47", "start": "03:34:45", "text": "That's true."}, {"end": "03:34:48", "start": "03:34:45", "text": "So, but that's a good way to submit your"}, {"end": "03:34:49", "start": "03:34:47", "text": "name."}, {"end": "03:34:51", "start": "03:34:48", "text": "That's a good point. Yeah. Okay. Okay."}, {"end": "03:34:53", "start": "03:34:49", "text": "Let's do that. If you if you submit your"}, {"end": "03:34:54", "start": "03:34:51", "text": "favorite"}, {"end": "03:34:56", "start": "03:34:53", "text": "time travel movie or show."}, {"end": "03:34:57", "start": "03:34:54", "text": "Yeah. Um because then you'll learn"}, {"end": "03:34:59", "start": "03:34:56", "text": "something from that, too, because there"}, {"end": "03:35:00", "start": "03:34:57", "text": "might be a bunch of good ones out there"}, {"end": "03:35:01", "start": "03:34:59", "text": "and people are like, \"Oh my god, how did"}, {"end": "03:35:02", "start": "03:35:00", "text": "he not know about this?\""}, {"end": "03:35:02", "start": "03:35:01", "text": "It's a great point."}, {"end": "03:35:03", "start": "03:35:02", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "03:35:04", "start": "03:35:02", "text": "Yeah. Look at you. Teach, learn, learn,"}, {"end": "03:35:07", "start": "03:35:03", "text": "teach."}, {"end": "03:35:08", "start": "03:35:04", "text": "You're an influencer, too. Look at this."}, {"end": "03:35:09", "start": "03:35:07", "text": "All right. Thanks, Mike. I appreciate"}, {"end": "03:35:12", "start": "03:35:08", "text": "your time, man. Thank you."}, {"end": "03:35:28", "start": "03:35:09", "text": "Appreciate it."}, {"end": "03:35:28", "start": "03:35:12", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "Hi there. In 2005,"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "I was living in a very rural area in"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Illinois, and I was leaving at about 300"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "p.m., so um still plenty of sunshine,"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "and uh the fields had been plowed, so I"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "could see fields."}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "Um, I was leaving and on my way to work"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "and I looked over and very very low to"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "the ground, maybe a mile from the road,"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "was um a black saucer. It was wobbling"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "and I almost stopped because I thought"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "there's no way this thing isn't going to"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "crash. Um,"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "all black"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "saucer just like the movies. Thanks,"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "another episode of Debriefed. My name is"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "Chris Ramsey and today we're going to be"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "taking a look at one of the earliest"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "cases of reported abductions. This is"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "the case of Antonio Viaz Boaz. We'll be"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "reading directly from the works of Coral"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "and Jim Laorenzan. Jim and Coral were"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "pioneering American eupfologists and"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "literally paved the way for all modern"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "researchers today. They single-handedly"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "shaped the scientific study of UFOs by"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "founding APRO, the Aerial Phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "Research Organization, in 1952. They"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "came out with numerous books on eufology"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "and alien sightings and UFO sightings."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "One of them, notably, is the one we'll"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "be looking at today, Flying Saucer"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "Occupants. This is one of my all-time"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "favorite books when it comes to UFOs and"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "especially regarding the occupants of"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "the UFOs. This was published in 1967."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "It's filled with a trove of stories. Not"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "only do they have stories, but they have"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "a lot of the original back and forth"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "with some of the earliest witnesses to"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "UFO beings, including our man Antonio"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "via Boaz, who we'll be looking into"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "today. Uh, these books are pretty hard"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "to come across, but you know, eBay's got"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "a few copies and stuff like that. If you"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "want to check them out, I highly"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "recommend. 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This was the original report"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "given to Dr. Olavo Fontes and Jeia"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "Martins. I'm trying not to butcher that."}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "It is Portuguese. Destroy me in the"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "comments if I didn't say that correctly."}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "Translated by Irene Granch. So at the"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "end of this, Carral and Jim Laorenzan do"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "give their thoughts on, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "speculative nature of this story given"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "the lack of physical evidence. Uh they"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "look at uh you know, medical records"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "because he did get ill after this. They"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "look into just a lot of uh even the"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "radiation stuff and so on and so forth."}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "A really indepth look into this case. I"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "would encourage you to pick up the book."}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "I don't know if we have time to get into"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "all of that. We're going to be reading"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "his testimony from that. We can have a"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "little discussion and if it's something"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "you're into, maybe at a later date we"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "can bring in their work and dissect this"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "a little further."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "Here we go. You guys ready?"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "Every now and then a little read"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "through, you know, set us straight here."}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "Set us on the right path. So from Carral"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "and Jim Lorenzan, the Antonio Vaspo's"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "report is probably the most"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "controversial ever to come into our"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "hands. We present it here because the"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "qualifications of the co-author Dr."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "Olavo Fontes, APRO's Brazilian"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "representative are indisputable."}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "Dr. Fontes is professor of medicine at"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "the National School of Medicine of"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "Brazil and is recognized as one of the"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "top authorities on UFOs in South"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "America."}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "Testimony furnished by Mr. Antonio"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "Visbos given in my consulting room. This"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "is from again Dr. Fontes. Given in my"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "consulting room on the afternoon of"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "February 22nd, 1958 in the presence of a"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "witness, journalist Xiao Martins."}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "My name is Antonio Vas. I am 23 years"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "old and a farmer by profession. I live"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "with my family on a farm which we own"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "near the town of Sao Francisco Desales,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "state of Minas Jerice."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "Very sorry about the pronunciation of"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "any of that."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "Near the border with Sao Paulo, state in"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "Brazil. I have two brothers and three"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "sisters who all live near me and I have"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "two more that died. I'm the last son but"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "one. All of us men work at the farm"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "where we have many fields and"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "plantations. We also own an"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "international petrol tractor for"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "plowing. When the time comes around for"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "plowing, we take turns with the tractor."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "During the daytime, the work is done by"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "two laborers who are paid for the job."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "At night, it is usually I who work"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "alone, so I sleep during the daytime or"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "sometimes it is one of my brothers who"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "goes with me. I am single and a healthy"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "man. I work hard, though I also find"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "time to follow a correspondence course,"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "studying wherever I have time for it. It"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "was a sacrifice for me to come to Rio,"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "for I should not have left the farm,"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "where my presence is needed. But I feel"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "it is my duty to come here and relate"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "the strange happenings in which I became"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "involved. I am ready to comply with"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "anything you gentlemen may deem"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "necessary for clearing up this case,"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "such as giving evidence before civil or"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "military authorities, though I would"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "very much appreciate returning home as"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "soon as possible, for I am very worried"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "as to how the farm is fairing. So, we"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "understand that Mr. Boaz has taken time"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "reluctantly from being on his farm where"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "he was much needed. This doesn't seem"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "like a very lucrative venture in the"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "first place. So that is important piece"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "of information I find. It all began on"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "the night of October 5th, 1957."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "There had been a party at my house and"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "we had gone to bed a little later than"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "usual at 11:00. I was in my room with my"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "brother Xiao Vas. Because of the heat, I"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "decided to open the window, which looks"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "out upon the corral. Right in the middle"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "of it, I then saw a silvery fluorescent"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "reflection, brighter than moonlight,"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "casting light all around it. It was very"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "white, and I don't know where it came"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "from."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "It was as if it came from on high, like"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "the headlight of a car shining downward,"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "spreading its light around. But nothing"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "was to be seen in the sky from where the"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "light seemed to be coming."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "I decided to call my brother and showed"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "it to him. But he is a very incredulous"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "sort of person, so he did not look and"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "advised me to go to sleep."}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "I closed the shutters and we both laid"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "down to sleep. A little while later,"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "spurred on by curiosity, I opened the"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "shutters once more. The light was still"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "there"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "where it had been before. I kept on"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "watching until all of a sudden it slowly"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "began to move toward my window. I closed"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "the shutters very quickly. Then, so"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "quickly that the noise woke my brother,"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "who had already gone to sleep. Together,"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "we watched the light appear through the"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "crevices of the shutters and shine"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "through the tiles on the roof of the"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "roof, lighting up the darkness of our"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "room. It finally disappeared for good"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "that night."}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "Okay, so we have a strange incident of"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "seeing some type of light around their"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "house prior to, you know, the event that"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "is about to occur. And perhaps this is"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "a little bit, you know, an attempt at"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "some type of corroboration for what's to"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "ensue. The second episode occurred on"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "the night of October 14th. All right,"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "we're talking 9 days later, so about a"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "week later. It must have been between"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "9:30 and 10:00 p.m., but I cannot"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "guarantee the hour, for I had no watch"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "with me. I was in a field plowing,"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "plowing it with a tractor when it"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "happened, and my brother was with me,"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "too. We suddenly saw a very bright"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "light, so bright that it hurt our eyes"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "at the northern end of the field. When"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "we saw it, it had been there already,"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "and it was big, too, about the size of a"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "cartwheel."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "It seemed to be standing at about 100 m"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "up from the ground, so about 300 ft."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "It's light red light shining over a"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "large surface. There must have been some"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "kind of object hidden by the light, but"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "it could not be seen, so I cannot"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "declare its existence, for the light"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "itself was much too bright for me to be"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "able to make out anything. I called to"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "my brother to come with me to find out"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "what it was,"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "but he did not want to go, so I had to"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "go alone. When I began to approach it,"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "it moved suddenly and with enormous"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "speed. It went to the southern end of"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "the field where it stopped again. I went"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "after it, and the same maneuver was"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "repeated. This time, back to where it"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "had been before. The same maneuver was"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "then repeated no less than 20 times. By"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "that time, I felt tired and gave up"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "going after it. So, I went back to my"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "brother. The light kept still for a few"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "minutes longer in the distance. Now and"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "again, it seemed to throw forth rays in"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "all directions, the same as the setting"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "sun, sparkling. Then it suddenly"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "disappeared, as if it had been turned"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "off. I'm not quite sure if this is what"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "actually happened, for I cannot remember"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "if I kept looking in the same direction"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "all the time. Maybe for a few seconds, I"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "glanced elsewhere, so it may have lifted"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "up and disappeared before I had the time"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "to look back again."}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "All right, quick quick little uh"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "parenthesis here. Very interesting."}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "these sparkling. This was also talked"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "about by Chris Bledsoe who said there"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "were these tips, these like spiky"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "sparkly tips that were going off around"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "the craft, you know, and Chris Bledsoe"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "also said it was shaped like an egg. So,"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "keep that in mind. The next night, which"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "was October 15, I was alone plowing the"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "ground with my tractor at the same spot."}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "It was a cold night, and the sky was"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "very clear and starry. At exactly 1:00"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "a.m., I suddenly noticed a red star in"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "the sky. It really looked like one of"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "those big, brightly shining stars."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "But I soon discovered that it was not,"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "for it slowly grew larger and looked as"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "if it were coming in my direction. In a"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "few moments, it had grown into a very"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "bright egg-like object, flying toward me"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "at a terrific rate of speed. It was"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "moving so quickly that it was on top of"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "me before I could make up my mind what"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "to do about it. The object then stopped"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "suddenly and hovered at about 160 ft"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "above my head, shining all the while as"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "brightly as daylight, lighting up the"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "ground and my tractor so strongly that"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "the light from my headlights could not"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "be seen anymore because of the strong"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "light red glare. I was terrified. I"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "thought of running away with my tractor,"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "but owing to the low speed I could"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "develop, my chances of escape were few,"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "as the object had patently proved that"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "it could travel at an enormous speed,"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "even though at the moment it was still"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "standing above me in the air. I also"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "thought of jumping to the ground and"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "running away. But the earth was soft and"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "had been turned up by the tractor, so"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "that it would have been a difficult"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "obstacle to overcome in the dark. It"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "would have been nearly impossible for me"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "to run with my legs sinking kneedeep"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "into that treacherous ground. In putting"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "my foot into a hole, I could even break"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "a leg. For about 2 minutes, I was kept"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "in a terrible state of mind without"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "knowing what to do next."}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "Interesting. Then the bright object"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "dived forward and stopped again at about"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "35 or 40 feet in front of my tractor"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "when it began to really land. Though"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "always moving slowly. As it came closer,"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "I noticed for the first time that it was"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "a very strange type of machine, it was"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "rather rounded and was full of little"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "purplish lights all around it. And it"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "had a large red headlight in front of uh"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "from which the light had been coming,"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "which I had noticed when it was up"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "higher."}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "and which had hampered my vision. But"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "now the shape of the machine could"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "clearly be seen and it looked like a"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "large elongated egg with three metal"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "spurs in front of it in the center and"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "on the sides. They were three metal"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "bars, thick at one end and spiked at the"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "tip. Their color was indistinguishable"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "for it was hidden by a bright"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "phosphoresence or fluorescent light such"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "as that of a brightly lit poster."}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "And this was reddish of the same shade"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "as that of the front headlight. Over the"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "machine there was something which"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "rotated at a great speed also having a"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "sharp fluorescent reddish light which"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "began to go greenish in the moment the"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "machine started to slow up its speed for"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "landing. So that it seems to me that it"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "corresponded to a decrease in the speed"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "of rotation of that part. the revolving"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "part that began to look like a round"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "plate or like a squashed cupula"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "cupapola. Something I hadn't been able"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "to distinguish before. I cannot declare"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "whether that was the real shape of the"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "revolving part at the top of the machine"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "or only the impression giving by the"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "movement it made for it never stopped"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "moving. Not even later on after the"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "machine had landed. Okay, so there is an"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "interesting little part at the top of"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "this eggshaped craft. You got the feet"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "down there and then there's something uh"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "revolving at the top looking like some"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "type of plate that never stopped"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "revolving and when it slowed down it"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "seemed to be going green instead of red."}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "Now this is interesting because green"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "and red are also the colors that you"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "know modern air traffic uses. So take"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "that as you will."}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "But you know, when we see a green and"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "red light flashing overhead, we"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "automatically assume it isn't a UFO"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "because of that reason. But interesting"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "here. So, were the aliens mimicking"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "modern air traffic regulations or"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "were we mimicking what they did so is"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "for us not to spot them?"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "Probably none of which, but interesting"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "enough. Here are some drawings. So, not"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "necessarily an egg,"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "almost like an egg, but then it turned"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "to its side. So, this is uh an original"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "depiction of what that would have looked"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "like, which is very interesting, and"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "including the uh spinning plate at the"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "top. We carry on, folks. We carry on. Of"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "course, the majority of the details I am"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "describing now were only observed by me"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "later."}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "At that first moment, I felt very"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "nervous and upset at seeing so many"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "things happen all at the same time. So"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "much so that when I saw three metal"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "props forming a tripod, as it were,"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "coming out from under the machine when"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "it was only a few meters up from the"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "ground, I completely lost control."}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "The little of it that I had left. So,"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "this isn't his recollection from when"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "that happened. All of these observations"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "were done at a later time. As you'll"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "see, he did have some time to take in"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "this information, which is interesting."}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "Those metal eggs were obviously meant to"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "hold the weight of the apparatus when it"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "touched the ground upon landing. When"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "this happened, I cannot tell for I began"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "to work the tractor, the engine of which"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "was on all the time, and I managed to"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "move it sideways, trying to make my"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "escape. But I had only gone forward a"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "few more meters when the engine died"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "suddenly while at the same time the"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "light went out by itself. I can't even"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "try to explain how this happened, for"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "the key was in and the lights were also"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "connected. I tried to get the engine to"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "start again, but the starter gave no"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "sign of life. I opened the door on the"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "opposite side of the tractor and jumped"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "out of it, trying to make my escape by"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "running away. I may have lost a few"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "precious moments when I tried to get the"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "tractor to move, as I had only gone a"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "few steps when my arm was caught. My"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "pursuer"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "was a small figure and only reached to"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "my shoulder, dressed in strange clothes."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "I later deduced that this was the woman"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "I met inside."}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "In my despair, I turned round and gave"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "the creature a violent push, which sent"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "it reeling off balance. And in so doing,"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "it let me go and fell on its back to the"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "ground about 6 ft away."}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "I took advantage of this to try to"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "continue my escape, but at the same"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "time, I was attacked by three others,"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "men both from the sides and at the back."}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "They took me by my arms and lifted me"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "off the ground. So there was no"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "possibility of defense left to me. I"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "could only twist and turn as their hold"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "upon me was firm and they didn't let me"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "go. I began to call for help and yell"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "and curse, demanding to be freed. I"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "noticed that as they were dragging me to"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "the machine, my talking had aroused"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "their curiosity and surprised them. For"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "they stopped to watch me closely every"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "time I opened my mouth to talk, though"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "they never loosened their grip on me."}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "This relieved me a little as to their"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "intentions, but even so, I did not stop"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "struggling for one moment. In this"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "manner, they carried me to their"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "machine, which had landed about 2 m"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "above the ground, squatting, as it were,"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "upon its three metal spikes, which I"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "mentioned before. A door was open behind"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "it in the middle, and it opened out from"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "top to bottom, forming a kind of bridge"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "at the end of which was held to a metal"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "ladder, seemingly of the same silvery"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "metal the walls of the apparatus were"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "made of. This ladder had been lowered"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "and unrolled to the ground. I was lifted"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "up to it, which wasn't an easy job for"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "the men to handle, for the for the"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "ladder was narrow, not being really"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "large enough to hold two people at a"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "time, one beside the other."}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "It was also movable and flexible and"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "kept swinging from one side to the other"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "with the efforts I made to free myself."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "There was also a round railing on both"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "sides of the ladder to help climb it,"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "and it was about the thickness of a"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "broomstick. I caught at it several times"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "in my efforts to avoid being hauled"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "away, and by doing so succeeded in"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "making them stop to unclasp my hands."}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "The rail was also flexible, and as I got"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "off it later, I had the feeling that it"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "was not made of one piece, but of small"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "pieces of metal. Each single clasp"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "linked to the other."}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "This is a fantastic amount of detail."}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "You know, you would remember that if"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "someone's trying to take you and you're"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "grabbing it and they have to like open"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "your hands and you keep trying to grab"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "it and that's exactly what you would do."}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "So simply being hauled off"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "wouldn't make sense. You would fight and"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "in so having these small victories along"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "the way by grabbing things and pulling"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "at them and shoving them and in a panic"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "you would definitely I think to some"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "extent remember some of that. So this is"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "really interesting. Now we enter the UFO"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "folks. First of all I like this guy. I"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "will tell you, Antonio, he's a legend."}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "You know, all of this seems silly and"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "it'll it gets a little silly. I'm not"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "going to lie. There is some silliness to"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "it, but the stranges that exists within"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "the UFO space is unrivaled. Sometimes"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "silly, sometimes scary, sometimes both."}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "And there's something"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "about these stories that rings true to"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "me, not because of"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "their corroborated information, but more"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "so because it feels like some weird"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "Alice in Wonderland trip. Like nothing"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "totally makes sense. And I feel like"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "that's how it would be because we'd be"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "in the dark on so many different aspects"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "of these uh these abductions. And so it"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "would seem a little foreign and bizarre"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "to us. Does that make any sense? Maybe"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "that makes sense to someone out there."}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "The whimsy is strong within Euphology,"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "and I'm here for it. Once inside the"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "machine, I noticed that we were standing"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "in a small square room. Its polished"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "metal walls were bright with a"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "reflection of fluorescent light coming"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "from the metal ceiling and shining from"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "the many little square lamps fitted into"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "the border where the walls met and"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "circling it entirely. I could not count"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "how many of them there were, for as soon"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "as I got in, they made me stand on the"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "floor while the entrance door was being"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "closed and the ladder rolled up and"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "fastened to it. The lighting was"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "excellent, the same as broad daylight."}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "But even so, it was impossible to make"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "out where the entrance door had been"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "only a second before."}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "For when it closed by lifting up, it"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "became part of the wall. I could only"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "tell where it had been because of the"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "metal ladder attached to it. There was"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "no time for me to notice anything else"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "because one of the men, there were five"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "of them altogether,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "made a gesture to me with his hand, for"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "me to go to the go to another room,"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "which could only be half seen from an"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "open door at the opposite end of the"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "room, the other side to the entrance. I"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "cannot tell whether the second door had"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "already been open when I first arrived,"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "for it was only then that I looked that"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "way. I decided to obey him for I was"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "still being tightly secured and anyhow I"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "was now closed in there with them and"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "had no other alternative. So at this"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "point he's like well I might as well"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "give in because they've caught me."}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "They've put me in here and there's no"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "way out uh seemingly or unseemingly as"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "it were. This is really interesting too."}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "We talk about the seams disappearing."}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "Now this isn't only repeated by people"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "like you know Bob Lazar uh when things"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "interact uh in that craft as well. It"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "was you know completely seamless. But we"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "also hear about this from details given"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "at the Hollowman landing. We hear about"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "this from funny enough Joe Simon."}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "You know these aliens that showed up in"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "this guy's backyard and gave him"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "pancakes. As wild as that sounds, these"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "are all details that were given in all"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "of these uh occurrences that uh yeah"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "that they have just some type of"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "absolute zero tolerance machining."}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "Impressive. We left the little room in"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "which I hadn't seen any furniture or"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "machines and went into another larger"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "and ample one. This one was oval in"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "shape, lit in the same manner as the"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "preceding one."}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "and had the same silvery polished metal"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "walls. I believe this room must have"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "been in the center of the machine, for"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "there was a metal bar running from floor"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "to ceiling right in the middle of it,"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "and it was thick at both ends, much"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "narrower in the middle."}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "It was well-rounded and looked solid. I"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "do not believe its only purpose was"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "decorative. Perhaps it was holding up"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "the weight of the roof."}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "The only furniture visible was an oddly"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "shaped table that stood at one side of"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "the room surrounded by several backless"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "swivel chairs, something like bar"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "stools."}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "They were all made of the same white"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "metal. The table as well as the stools"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "were one-legged, narrowing toward the"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "floor, where they were either fixed,"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "such as the table, to it, or linked to a"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "movable ring held fast by three hinges"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "jutting out on each side and riveted to"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "the floor, such as the stools, so that"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "those sitting on them could turn in"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "every direction. We don't hear about"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "furniture very much in these craft. But"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "well, specifically not the ones"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "involving like gray type aliens. We"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "often hear about a block of metal or"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "some floating table or a metallic"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "stainless table and that's about it. So"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "this is really interesting that he had"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "time and again this will be a little bit"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "later during the uh interaction, but he"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "does have time to look around and commit"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "things to memory. For endless moments I"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "stood in that room, both my arms held"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "fast by two of the men while those"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "strange people watched me and apparently"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "talked about me. I say talked as a"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "manner of speech, for what they said had"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "no resemblance whatsoever to human"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "speech. They talked in growls like dogs"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "do in a way. This comparison is not"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "quite fitting, but it's the only one I"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "can think of to attempt to describe"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "those sounds. So different were they"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "from anything I ever heard before. The"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "grunts were emitted slowly. They were"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "neither high-pitched nor too low. Some"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "were longer, others shorter, sometimes"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "containing several different sounds at"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "the same time, at other times ending in"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "a tremor."}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "But they sounded to me only like animal"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "growls. And there was nothing that could"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "be taken for the sound of a syllable or"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "for a word in a foreign language."}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "Nothing whatsoever. To me, it all"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "sounded the same. So now I cannot"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "remember a word of it. It baffles me how"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "those people can understand each other."}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "Those sounds still make me shiver when I"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "think of them. It isn't even possible"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "for me to reproduce them for you"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "gentlemen. My vocal organs are not made"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "for it. I would give anything to"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "understand what this person is talking"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "about. As if he doesn't even try. I'd be"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "like"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "I would love to hear I would love to"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "hear that sound. Is Is there another"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "case out there? Maybe one of you knows"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "uh if there is another case out there of"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "sort of dog growlingesque"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "language being spoken. Let me know."}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "After the grunts had ceased, it seemed"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "as if they had all come to a decision."}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "So the five of them caught hold of me"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "again and began to forcibly undress me."}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "We fought and I tried by my opposition"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "to make it as difficult as possible for"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "them to accomplish their goal. I"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "protested all the while and cursed at"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "them in y loud yells. They obviously"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "couldn't understand me, but they stopped"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "and stared at me as if trying to make me"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "understand that they were being polite."}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "Besides, though they had to employ"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "force, they never at any time hurt me"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "badly, and they did not even tear my"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "clothes, with the exception of my shirt,"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "perhaps, which I believe had already"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "been torn before. This I cannot be sure"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "of."}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "Well, that's nice. I mean, that's"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "I like hearing that. I know this is"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "still"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "strange and uncalled for, but at least"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "they're being somewhat nice about it."}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "They stripped me naked, and I was again"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "in anguish, not knowing what would"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "happen next. One of the men got near me."}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "He was holding something in his hand"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "that looked like a wet sponge, and with"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "it, he began to spread a liquid all over"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "my skin. It wasn't a rubber sponge, for"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "it was much softer than the one than one"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "of those. The liquid was clear as water,"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "but much thicker and odorless. At first,"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "I thought it was some kind of oil, but I"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "was mistaken, for my skin did not get"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "oily. They spread the liquid all over my"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "body, and I was feeling cold by now, for"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "outside. It was nighttime and cold, of"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "course, but it was much colder still"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "inside the machine in those two rooms."}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "As they began undressing me, I had begun"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "to shiver. And now this liquid made me"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "shiver all the more. But it dried"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "quickly and after that I didn't feel"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "much difference anymore. There will be"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "some speculative talk about what this"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "liquid exactly was. One thing that Coral"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "and Jim to their credit, you know,"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "presume"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "is that it was some type of"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "disinfectant. It would make sense"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "because when you use disinfectant, it"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "does tend to dry quickly upon your skin."}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "However, there is like a quite uh strong"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "odor to disinfectant. Maybe this is some"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "type of odorless disinfectant. Uh as it"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "was thicker than water, kind of like"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "perhaps you know some of that stuff you"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "would put on your hands after uh before"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "entering a room or you know whatever it"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "was. So now this guy is naked in a room."}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "He's been lthered by these strange men."}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "What's going to happen next?"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "The three men who were growling and"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "making signs at me took me to a door at"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "the opposite end of the one we had just"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "come in by, keeping me in the middle."}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "The man in front pushed something in the"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "middle of the door which was closed."}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "That may have been a button or a hook"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "which made it open in half inward,"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "but it was like a barroom swinging door."}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "It was also made of metal and stood from"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "floor to ceiling. And at the top there"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "were some inscriptions or something like"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "that in bright red lettering and the"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "light effect was such that it seemed to"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "stick out about 2 in from the door. The"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "inscriptions were the only ones of their"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "kind that I noticed on board. They"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "looked like scribbles of a kind,"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "entirely unknown to us. I did my best to"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "remember what they looked like and drew"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "some in a letter I sent to Mr. Martins."}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "Now I don't exactly remember anymore"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "what they looked like. Here"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "is a photo of"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "what he drew or his drawing. This is"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "very interesting writing indeed because"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "this does seem"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "I mean there's so many at this point"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "different types of alien writing that"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "you'll find out there. But this one uh"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "you know Bob Lazar's writing also had"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "dots. But again, I defer to"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "Danny Shehan. What he saw"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "that day when he was taken to the Blue"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "Book Files. This strange type of writing"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "doesn't look too dissimilar from what's"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "being described here."}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "Now, that's interesting because either"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "we're dealing with the same species or"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "multiple species are using a similar"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "language, which I don't know which is"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "stranger to be honest."}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "But to get back to the subject, the door"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "led into another smaller room. It was"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "small, squarish, and it was lit up in"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "the same way as the others. After we had"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "gone in, me and two other men, the door"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "closed again behind us. I looked back"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "and saw something that can't be"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "explained."}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "There was no door anymore, only a wall"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "like the other one behind me."}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "I do not know how that was done. Not"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "unless when the door closed, some kind"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "of blind came down with it to hide from"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "view. I can't make this out. All I can"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "declare is that a moment later, the wall"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "opened up again and it was a door once"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "more. Though really, I could not see any"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "blind."}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "So again, he's just extremely confused"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "at the sort of no tolerance"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "physics or, you know, engineering that"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "these doors and these hatches have."}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "something nowadays we almost can"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "accomplish"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "uh but not quite. We can, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "almost accomplish this feat where it's"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "like zero tolerance. I do have something"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "here which I'll insert. This is a small"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "cube made by Metmo, this company that"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "does this space age sort of zero"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "tolerance cutting using electricity. And"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "it's really cool because it does give"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "the impression that the seam disappears."}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "And this is kind of obviously this, you"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "know, wasn't around in the ' 50s, so"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "this would be extremely advanced and"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "look extremely alien to anyone. This"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "time, two more men came in carrying in"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "their hands two very thick rubber pipes,"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "which were each over a yard long."}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "I can't say if there was anything inside"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "them, but I do know that they were"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "hollow."}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "One of the pipes was fixed into a"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "chalice shaped glass vessel at one end."}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "The other end had a spout like a cupping"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "glass which was put to the skin of my"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "chin right here where you gentlemen can"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "still see this dark mark that is now a"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "scar."}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "Before applying it, the man who did it"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "squeezed the tube with his hands as if"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "he were pushing out the air. I did not"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "feel any pain or prick at the time this"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "was being done, only the feeling that my"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "skin was being sucked in or absorbed."}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "So, kind of like those cups that you"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "would put on people's backs, like the"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "cupping cups, and suck. So, they put"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "that to his chin. But later on, the spot"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "began to burn and scratch,"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "and I discovered that the skin had been"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "torn. the rubber pipe being fitted into"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "place. I noticed that my blood was"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "little by little filling the chalice"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "until it reached halfway up. Here the"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "thing stopped working and the pipe was"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "taken off. Another was put there to"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "replace it and I was bled once more."}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "This time from the other side of my"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "chin,"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "which you gentlemen can verify because"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "of the other darker spot here, the same"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "as the first. This time the chalice was"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "filled to the brim and the cupping glass"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "was taken away. The skin was torn here"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "too, burning and scratching the same as"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "the other side had done. I was finally"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "left alone. The men left too and the"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "door was closed behind them."}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "This is extremely strange, but also must"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "have been terrifying for Antonio."}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "Not knowing whether or not he will"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "survive or overcome this, he's just kind"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "of going along with it."}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "Seemingly they're not out to hurt him,"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "but then perform this procedure on him"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "which bleeds him out and leaves him with"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "a laceration. I mean, it must start to"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "get real scary for this gentleman. I was"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "left alone for quite a long time,"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "perhaps over half an hour. The room was"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "empty except for a large couch in the"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "middle of it. It looked like a kind of"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "bed, though it had no legs to it, nor"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "any headboard, and it looked a little"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "uncomfortable to lie on, for it was very"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "high at the middle, like a hump. It"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "really was soft, though, as if made from"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "foam rubber, and was covered with some"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "soft kind of thick gray material. All"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "this I discovered when I sat on it as I"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "was feeling tired after so many emotions"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "and so much struggle and probably from"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "the blood loss I would assume as well."}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "It was then that I began to notice an"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "odd smell which was also making me feel"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "sick."}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "It was as if a thick smoke was stifling"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "me and it smelt like painted cloth"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "burning."}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "Perhaps"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "that is what it really was. For on"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "examining the walls, I noticed for the"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "first time that there were many little"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "metal tubes jutting out at the height of"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "my head, which were closed but"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "pricricked full of holes"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "like those of a shower. From them there"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "spread tufts of gray smoke which were"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "dissolved by the air. It was the smoke"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "that was causing the smell. I could not"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "tell if they had been working when the"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "men were taking the blood from me, but I"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "hadn't noticed them before. Perhaps as"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "the door opened and closed, better"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "ventilation was afforded, and I hadn't"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "noticed anything. But now, as I wasn't"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "feeling well anyway, my feelings of"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "sickness increased, and I ended up by"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "vomiting."}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "As I was about to do so, I hurried to a"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "corner of the room where I was very sick"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "indeed. Then the difficulty I found in"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "breathing ceased, though, I still did"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "not feel well because of the smoke. So,"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "I felt very much discouraged and began"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "to hope that something else would"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "happen."}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "So now there's Okay, not only are they"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "cleansing him on the outside, but"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "they're also making him purge for some"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "reason, making him expel whatever's in"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "his system."}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "I must declare that up to that moment, I"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "hadn't the slightest idea as to how"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "those weird men looked, nor what their"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "features were like. All five of them"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "wore a very tight-fitting siren suit"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "made of soft, thick, unevenly striped"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "gray material. This garment reached"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "right up to their necks where it was"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "joined to a kind of helmet made of a"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "gray material. I don't know what it was"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "that looked stiffer and was strengthened"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "back and front by thin metal plates."}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "One of which was three cornered at nose"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "level. Their helmets hid everything"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "except their eyes, which were protected"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "by two round glasses like the lenses in"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "ordinary glasses. Through them, the men"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "looked at me, and their eyes seemed to"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "be much smaller than ours, though I"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "believe that may have been the effect of"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "the lenses. All of them had light"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "colored eyes that looked blue to me, but"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "this I cannot vouch for. Above their"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "eyes, those helmets looked so tall that"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "they corresponded to the double of what"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "the size of a normal head should be."}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "Probably there was something else hidden"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "under those helmets placed on top their"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "heads. But nothing could be seen from"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "the outside. Right on top from the"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "middle of their heads there spouted"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "three round silvery metal tubes. I can't"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "tell whether they were made of metal or"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "rubber which were a little narrower than"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "a common garden hose. The tubes which"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "were placed one in the middle and one on"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "each side of their heads were smooth and"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "bent backwards and downwards toward the"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "back. They were fitted into their"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "clothes. How I cannot say. But one went"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "down the center where the backbone is"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "and the other two, one on each side,"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "fitted under the shoulders at about 4 in"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "from the armpits, nearly at the sides"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "where the back begins. I didn't notice"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "anything at all. No hump or lump to show"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "where the tubes were attached, nor any"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "box or contrivances hidden under their"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "clothes. So these tubes were just"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "entering their bodies somehow. Here's a"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "depiction of what he saw, by the way,"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "which is incredibly strange."}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "Their heads look a little larger than"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "your average human head. Him not knowing"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "obviously the history of these"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "large-headed aliens assumed that there"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "had to be something under the helmets"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "that made them bigger,"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "which is again just an interesting"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "observation in terms of uh in terms of"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "facts. Their sleeves were narrow and"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "tight fitting to the wrists where they"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "were followed by thick five-fingered"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "gloves of the same color. That must have"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "somewhat hindered their movements. As to"}, {"end": "00:40:50", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "this, I noticed that the men weren't"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "able to double their fingers altogether"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:50", "text": "so as to touch the palms of their hands"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "with the tips of their fingers. The"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "difficulty did not prevent them from"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "catching me and holding me firmly, nor"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "from deafly manipulating the rubber"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "tubes for extracting my blood. Those"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "overalls must have been a kind of"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "uniform for all the members of the crew"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "wore a red badge the size of a pineapple"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "slice."}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "That's a strange"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "strange unit of measurement here. The"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "size of a pineapple slice on their"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "chests. And sometimes it reflected a"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "shiny light. Not a light of its own, but"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "reflections such as those given by the"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "rear lights of a car when another car"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "lights up from behind it."}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "From the center of the badge, there came"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "a strip of silvery metal, or it might"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "have been flattened metal, which joined"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "onto a broad, tight-fitting, claspless"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "belt, the color of which I can't"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "remember. No pocket could be seen"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "anywhere, and I don't remember seeing"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "any buttons either. The trousers were"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "also tight fitting from the buttocks,"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "thighs, and legs, as there was not a"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "wrinkle nor a crease to be seen. There"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "was no visible hem between the trousers"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "and shoes which were actually a"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "continuation of the former being part of"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "the self-same garment."}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "The soles of their shoes were different"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "from ours. They were thick about 2 or 3"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "in thick and a little turned up or"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "arched up in front so that the tips"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "looked like those described in the fairy"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "tales of old. Though the general"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "appearance was that of common tennis"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "shoes, from what I saw later, they must"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "have fitted loosely, for they were"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "larger than the feet they covered. In"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "spite of this, the men's gates was free"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "and easy, and their movements were swift"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "indeed. Perhaps the closed siren suits"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "they wore did interfere slightly with"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "their movements, because they kept"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "walking very stiffly. They were all"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "about my height,"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "perhaps a little shorter because of"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "those helmets, except for one of them,"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "the one who had caught hold of me out"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "there. This one did not even reach my"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "chin."}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "All seemed strong, but not so strong"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "that had I fought with them one at a"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "time, I should have been afraid of"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "losing. I believe that in a free-for-all"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "fight, I could face any single one of"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "them on an equal base. But this has"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "nothing to do with what was happening to"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "me at the time. That is so funny. I love"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "how he's like, you know, they're little"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "guys. They're tiny. They're super small,"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "you know, but one-on-one, I would have"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "knocked these suckers right on the chin."}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "They would have went flying."}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "I feel like a lot of guys would say that"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "in that position, be like, I could have"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "taken them. Fair fight, you know. Um,"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "also the clothes are really interesting."}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "Obviously, these suits, you know, if you"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "look at the"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "perhaps disinfectant that they applied"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "to him, these suits might have been"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "protecting them from our atmosphere,"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "kind of like little astronaut suits, um,"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "or protecting, you know, any interaction"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "with the human, kind of like an"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "intergalactic hazmat suit, if you will."}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "I think that makes a lot of sense. And"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "not the first time we hear about"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "something like this as well. After what"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "seemed to me an enormously long time, a"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "noise at the door made me stand up with"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "a start. I turned to look and received a"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "terrible shock. The door was open and a"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "woman was coming in walking toward me."}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "She came in slowly, unhurriedly, perhaps"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "a little amused at the amazement she saw"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "written on my face. I stared"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "open-mouthed,"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "which is not surprising for the woman"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "was entirely naked."}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "As naked as I was, and barefoot, too."}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "Besides, she was beautiful, though of a"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "different type of beauty compared with"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "that of the woman I have known. Her hair"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "was blonde, nearly white, like hair dyed"}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "and peroxide."}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "It was smooth, not very thick, with a"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "part in the center, and she had big blue"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "eyes rather longer than round, for they"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "slanted outwards, like those"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "pencil-drawn girls make to look like"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "Arabian princesses,"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "that look as if they were slit. That was"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "what they were like,"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "except that they were natural."}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "There was no makeup. Her nose was"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "straight, not pointed."}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "nor turned up nor too big. The contour"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "of her face was different though because"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "she had very high prominent cheekbones"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "that made her face look very wide, wider"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "than that of an Indo native. Underneath"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "her cheekbones, her face narrowed to a"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "peak"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "so that all of a sudden it ended into a"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "pointy chin which gave the lower part of"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "her face a very pointed look. Her lips"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "were very thin, nearly invisible in"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "fact. Her ears, which I only saw later,"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "were small and did not seem any"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "different from ordinary ears. Her high"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "cheekbones gave one the impression that"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "there was a broken bone somewhere"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "underneath,"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "but as I discovered later, they were"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "soft and fleshy to the touch,"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "so they did not seem to be made of bone."}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "Her body was much more beautiful than"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "any I've ever seen before. It was slim"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "and her breasts stood up high and well"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "separated. Her waistline was thin, her"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "belly flat. Her hips well-developed and"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "her thighs were large. Her feet were"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "small, her hands long and narrow. Her"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "fingers and nails were normal. She was"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "much shorter than I am, her head only"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "reaching my shoulder."}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "Absolutely"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "strange."}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "Um, so funny that uh, you know, this guy"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "seems a little smitten by this strange"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "looking being. Here's a picture, by the"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "way, of a rendition according to Antonio"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "Via Vas Boa's, you know, depiction of"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "this uh, being. And, uh, if I may, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "not conventionally beautiful."}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "we'll put it that way. But that didn't"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "seem to bother Antonio nonetheless. The"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "woman came toward me in silence, looking"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "at me all the while as if she wanted"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "something from me. And suddenly, she"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "hugged me and began to rub her head"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "against my face from side to side."}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "At the same time, I also felt her body"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "glued to mine, and it was also moving."}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "Her skin was white as that of our fair"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "women here,"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "and she was full of freckles on her"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "arms. I didn't notice any perfume on her"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "skin, nor her hair, except for a natural"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "female odor. The door had closed again."}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "Alone with that woman embracing me and"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "clearly giving me to understand what her"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "purpose was. I began to get excited."}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "This sounds quite incredible considering"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "the circumstances. I suppose the liquid"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "they had spread on me may have caused"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "it. Uh, they must have done so on"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "purpose. I only know that I became"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "uncontrollably sexually excited,"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "something that had never before happened"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "to me. I ended up by forgetting"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "everything and held the woman close to"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "me, corresponding to her favors with"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "greater ones of my own. We ended up on"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "the couch."}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "All right, folks. This is going to get a"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "little steamy for those of you out"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "there. This isn't"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "this isn't one of those"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "erotic ASMR channels. All right, so head"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "out of the gutter. This is for"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "scientific purposes only. All right, so"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "all of you out there, just All right,"}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "snap back. Let's get let's get a grip"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "here. This is serious. This is serious"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "research."}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "I do find it funny and this corral and"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "Jim point out a little later on that his"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "take of the situation was well this this"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "clear substance must have made me horny."}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "That must be the only explanation."}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "Doesn't want to admit that maybe, you"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "know, given the circumstances he was"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "just really into this. We ended up on"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "the couch where we laid together for the"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "first time. It was a normal act and she"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "reacted as any other woman would. Then"}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "we had some petting followed by another"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "act. But by now she had begun to deny"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "herself to me, trying to avoid me and to"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "escape to end the matter."}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "When I noticed that, I too became"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "frigid. Seeing that that was all they"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "wanted, a good stallion to improve their"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "stock. After all, that was all they were"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "concerned with. and I was angry but"}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "decided not to attach any importance to"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "the fact for anyhow I had spent a few"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "agreeable moments with the woman."}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "Of course, I would never exchange her"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "for one of ours. I like ones that I"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "could talk to, understand, and get along"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "with. And with this woman, that was"}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "impossible."}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "Some of the growls that came from her at"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "certain times nearly spoiled everything"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "as they gave me the disagreeable"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "impression of lying with an animal"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "again."}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "very very funny. I don't mean to laugh"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "at this, but he uh clearly"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "feels slighted that he's being treated"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "like some type of livestock. Uh"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "especially upon, you know, the second"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "time or maybe third time that he is uh"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "performing the act. She's kind of like,"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "\"All right, buddy. Okay, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "knock it off. I got what I wanted here.\""}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "and uh he immediately gets gets salty"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "and goes like you know what yeah humans"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "are better anyways. Yeah. What is what"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "is what's with the uh the growling turn"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "off? Am I gross? Get off me. One thing"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "that I noticed was that she never kissed"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "me."}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "I remember that one time she opened her"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "mouth as if to do so, but instead of"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "that she bit me softly on the chin,"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "which of course wasn't a kiss. Another"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "thing that I noticed was the hair in her"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "armpits was bright red, nearly the color"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "of blood."}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "A little while after we separated, the"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "door opened, one of the men appeared at"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "the doorstep and called out to the woman"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "who left the room. Before leaving, she"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "turned to me, pointed to her belly, and"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "smilingly,"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "as well as she could smile, pointed to"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "the sky southward, I should say."}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "Then she went away. I interpreted the"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "signs as meaning to say that she"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "intended to return and take me with her"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "to wherever it was she lived. Antonio,"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "my god, what are you doing here?"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "Take the L. That's not what she meant."}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "Clearly, if she points to her belly and"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "points to the sky, most of us, Jim and"}, {"end": "00:52:24", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "Carral included, will tell you no. the"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "baby and myself, you know, are gonna"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "we're leaving. We're out of here. We're"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "gonna we're gonna leave the planet. And"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "he's like to me that meant clearly"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "she'll be back. She'll be back for me."}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "You know, something about this makes it"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "more real."}, {"end": "00:52:47", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "the fact that he thinks, you know, he's"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "he feels clearly slighted by the entire"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:47", "text": "incident, feels used,"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "still kind of like attached"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "to this uh to this being in in in maybe"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "a romantic way, which is kind of sad."}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "It's a little sad um for him,"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "but something about that makes it more"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "real that he that he's being blinded by"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "love and romance to the fact that no,"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "this is just simply transactional for"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "them. But it's not it's not where his"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "mind wants to be. And that is why I"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "still feel afraid. If they came back to"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "fetch me, I'd be lost. I don't wish to"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "part from my folks, nor from my country."}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "By no means. So"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "don't worry. I I don't I think you're"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "safe. The man came back again, bringing"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "my clothes with him. He beckoned to me"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "to get dressed, and I obeyed in silence."}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "My things were all in place in my"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "pockets, except for my lighter, which"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "was missing."}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "It must have been lost during the"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "struggle when I was captured. So, I"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "didn't even attempt to protest."}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "We then left the room and went to the"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "other one where three of the crew were"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "sitting on swivel chairs talking or"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "rather growling amongst themselves. The"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "one who was with me joined them, leaving"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "me to stand in the middle of the room by"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "the table I have mentioned before."}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "I was by now feeling altogether calm,"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "for I knew no harm would come to me. I"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "tried to pass the time while they were"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "deciding what to do, and began to"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "observe closely and fix in my memory all"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "the details of what surrounded me, wall,"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "furniture, clothes, and so on. I came to"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "notice on the table near the men a"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "square box with a glass lid that covered"}, {"end": "00:54:33", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "a clock-like face like that of an alarm"}, {"end": "00:54:35", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "clock. There was a hand on it and a"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:33", "text": "black mark that corresponded to our"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:35", "text": "6:00. Other markings of the same kind"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "were to be seen where our 9:00 and 3:00"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "stand. But where 12:00 usually stands,"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "it was different. There was four little"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "black marks, one beside the other. I"}, {"end": "00:54:53", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "can't understand what they stood for,"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "but that's how they were. At first, I"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:53", "text": "thought this thing was a kind of clock."}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "For now and again, one of the men would"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "look at it. It can't have been though,"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "for I kept watch for some time and at no"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "time did I notice the hand moving which"}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "it would have done had it been a clock"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "for time was passing. The idea now this"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "is cool. So, you know, he's standing"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "there alone. They're arguing in growl"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "doglike language. He's taking all the"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "information in. doing a great job of,"}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "you know, this also probably feeling"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "somewhat weird and ashamed about"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "whatever just occurred."}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "He's now noticing this thing on the"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "table."}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "And our hero, the legend, Mr. Boaz, is"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "telling himself, \"Maybe I could just"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "steal this thing.\" The idea of"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "possessing myself of it came to me when"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "I remembered that I had to take"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "something with me to prove my adventure"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "later on. By having that case with me, I"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "would have proof."}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "Who knows but that by seeing my interest"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "in it, those men would realize how much"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "I wanted it and would end up by giving"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "it to me. At the moment, they were"}, {"end": "00:56:07", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "looking elsewhere, so I unobtrusively"}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "got nearer to it and made a grab at it."}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:07", "text": "There wasn't even the time for me to"}, {"end": "00:56:14", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "have a good look at it, for one of the"}, {"end": "00:56:18", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "men immediately darted toward me as"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "quick as lightning. took it from me,"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:18", "text": "shoving me angrily to the side and"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "placed it back on the table. I backed to"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "the wall till my shoulders touched it"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "and stayed there quietly. Though I"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "wasn't really feeling afraid. I am not"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "afraid of any man. Obviously, though, it"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "was better for me to keep still, as it"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "had been proved that only when I behaved"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "properly did they respect me. It was to"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "no purpose to try to do anything. So all"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "I did was try to scratch the wall with"}, {"end": "00:56:51", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "my nails so as to get some of it under"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:49", "text": "them. But they slipped over the polished"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:51", "text": "surface where there was no hold. The"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "metal was so hard there was nothing to"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "do about it. So I kept on waiting."}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "Not for a lack of trying. I really like"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "how this guy is psychologically"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "interpreting all of their actions"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "towards him and you know the fact that"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "he's like, \"Oh, they respect me if I"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "just if I'm chill.\" I never saw the"}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "woman again, either dressed or naked."}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "After she had left the other room,"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "though, I believe I discovered where she"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "was. In front of the larger room, there"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "was another door uh through which I"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "hadn't passed. It was now a jar, and now"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "and again, I could hear some noise"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "coming from beyond it, as if somebody"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "was there moving about."}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "It could only have been the woman, for"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "the rest of the crew were all in the"}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "same room as I was, wearing their odd"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "garments and helmets. I suppose the"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "front of the room was where the pilot"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "sat directing operations, but that I"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "couldn't check for myself."}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "At last, one of those men got up and"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "motioned to me to follow him. The others"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "went on sitting without even looking at"}, {"end": "00:57:59", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "me. We walked to the little entrance"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "hall straight to the front door that was"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:59", "text": "open once more, and the ladder was down."}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "We didn't go down it, though, for the"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "man had given me to understand that I"}, {"end": "00:58:09", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "should follow him towards a platform"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "that jutted out on both sides of the"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:09", "text": "door. The platform went all around the"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "machine. In spite of its narrowness, one"}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "could walk right around it in both"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "directions. First, we walked it one way,"}, {"end": "00:58:24", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "and I soon noticed a square piece of"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "metal jutting outward sideways. There"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "was something similar on the opposite"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "side, too, firmly fixed into the metal"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "machine. If these metal supports had not"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "been so small, I should have thought"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "they were wings for flying purposes."}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "By the looks of them, I suppose their"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "purpose was to move up and down for"}, {"end": "00:58:46", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "taking off or landing."}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "I must admit that I never noticed any"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:46", "text": "movement to prove this, so I really"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "cannot explain what they were there for."}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "Farther on, the man pointed at the three"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "metal poles I mentioned before"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "that were solidly fixed into the sides"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "and into the front part, the middle of"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "the machine, like three metal spurs."}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "They were all alike in shape and length,"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "thick at the base and narrow and sharp"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "at the top. They were laid horizontally."}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "I cannot tell if they were made of the"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "same metal as the machine because they"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "spread a slight reddish phosphoresence"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "as if they were on fire. In spite of"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "this, I couldn't feel any warmth coming"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "from them. A little higher up, they were"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "fitted into the metal. I could see some"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "reddish lamps fitted into each one of"}, {"end": "00:59:33", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "them."}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "Those of the sides were rounder and"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:33", "text": "smaller. The one in front, which was"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "also round, was enormous and"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "corresponded to the front headlight,"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "which I described before."}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "Uncountable little square lamps like"}, {"end": "00:59:48", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "those used inside the apparatus"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "surrounded the body of the machine"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:48", "text": "slightly above the platform over which"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "they spread a purplish light. In front,"}, {"end": "00:59:58", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "the platform did not close around to"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "form a circle, but was stopped short by"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "00:59:58", "text": "a thick broad sheet of glass, which was"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "securely fitted into the metal. It was"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "rather prominent and elongated at both"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "ends. Perhaps it was for looking"}, {"end": "01:00:13", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "outside, as there were no windows to be"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "seen anywhere at all."}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:13", "text": "But whether this was the purpose, I"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "cannot say, because as seen from the"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "outside, it looked too dull for it. Of"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "course, I don't know what it looked like"}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "from the inside, but I don't suppose it"}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "was any clearer."}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "I suppose those front spurs I was"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "talking about were the ones that"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "loosened the power that worked the"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "machine for when it took off, their"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "lights brightened considerably and"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "blended entirely with the light coming"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "from the headlights. This is so"}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "interesting that he gets to look at some"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "of the whimsical mechanisms that seems"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "like a machine out of Willy Wonka or"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "some type of Dr. Zeus book."}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "Um but interesting nonetheless that he"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "took time to really really look at all"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "this. And if you look at the craft that"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "he drew, the depiction of the craft, it"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "is so strange."}, {"end": "01:01:08", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "Unlike"}, {"end": "01:01:10", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "any other sort of UFO,"}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:08", "text": "you know, normally they're just really"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:10", "text": "simple, but um normally they have grays"}, {"end": "01:01:16", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "inside them, too. So, this is just"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "different. After visiting the front of"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:16", "text": "the machine, we turned back to the back"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "of it that jutted out more than the"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "front. But before doing so, we stood"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "still for a few seconds while the man"}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "pointed up to where the enormous saucer"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "shaped cupula rotated. It turned slowly"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "round and round and was lit up by a"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "greenish fluorescent light which came"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "from I know not where. Despite the fact"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "that it rotated slowly, a noise could be"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "heard as that of a vacuum cleaner"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "sucking in the air, a kind of whistle,"}, {"end": "01:01:47", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "just like air passing through a lot of"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "little holes. Though I did not see any,"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:47", "text": "and I'm only making a comparison. Later"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "on, when the machine began to take off"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "from the ground, the rotating saucer"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "turned round and round so quickly that"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "it became quite invisible. So much that"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "only the light could be seen, and the"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "brightness increased so that the color"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "changed, too. turning from the original"}, {"end": "01:02:11", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "shade to a bright red. At the same time,"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "there was more noise, showing that there"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:11", "text": "was some relationship between the"}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "saucer's speed of rotation and the noise"}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "itself that soon grew into a strong buzz"}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "or squeak. I could not make out the"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "reason for such changes, nor can I even"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "now understand what the bright rotating"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "saucer was for, but it never stopped"}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "turning. Obviously, though, there was"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "some reason for it to be where it was."}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "There seemed to be a small reddish light"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "at the center of the cupula. Am I saying"}, {"end": "01:02:43", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "this right? Capola, cupula, I don't"}, {"end": "01:02:45", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "know. Or rotating saucer, but of this I"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:43", "text": "cannot be quite sure because of its"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:45", "text": "moving so fast. So one thing that is"}, {"end": "01:02:52", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "interesting here is that during"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "abductions many many many times"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:52", "text": "countless times even countless abductees"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "have recounted the fact that they've"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "been given a tour of the ship. So this"}, {"end": "01:03:06", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "is not new. Even Betty and Barney Hill"}, {"end": "01:03:08", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "were shown things by the beings. So,"}, {"end": "01:03:10", "start": "01:03:06", "text": "this isn't new. The beings like showing"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:08", "text": "humans things for some reason. Walking"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:10", "text": "to the back of the machine, we went by"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "the door once more and going ahead"}, {"end": "01:03:18", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "followed the curve to the back. Right"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "behind where the tail of an airplane"}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "would naturally emerge, there was an"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "oblong piece of metal standing up back"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "to the back to front crossing the"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "platform, but it was low, no higher than"}, {"end": "01:03:31", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "my knee. It was quite easy for me to"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "step over it and get to the other side"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:31", "text": "and then come back again. As I was doing"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "this, I noticed that there were two"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "reddish lights embedded, one on each"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "side of it at ground level,"}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "looking like two thick slanting out"}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "jutting lines. They looked like the head"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "spotlights of a of a plane, though they"}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:48", "text": "didn't twinkle."}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "I believe that the metal slab must have"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "been a kind of rudder to change the"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "ship's direction with. At least that's"}, {"end": "01:04:00", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "what I noticed. Seeing the thing moving"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "to one side at the very moment the ship,"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:04:00", "text": "which had already stopped still in"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "midair at some height after taking off,"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "suddenly change direction just before"}, {"end": "01:04:12", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "heading up at a fantastic speed. So he"}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "sees this rudder sort of changing. I"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:12", "text": "don't understand how that rudder would"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "necessarily affect the trajectory of,"}, {"end": "01:04:22", "start": "01:04:17", "text": "you know, such a fastmoving object, but"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "interesting. The visit to the back of"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:22", "text": "the machine being over, we walked back"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "to the door. or my guide pointed to the"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "metal stair and signaled me to go down"}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "it. I obeyed and when I got down, I"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "looked up to see if he was coming too,"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "but he was still there. He then pointed"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "to himself, then to the ground, and then"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "in a southernly direction to the sky. He"}, {"end": "01:04:45", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "again signaled me to step back and forth"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "with disappeared inside the machine. The"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:45", "text": "metal ladder began to shrink, each step"}, {"end": "01:04:51", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "fitting into one another like a pile of"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "boards. When it reached the top, the"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:51", "text": "door, which when open was a part of the"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "floor, began to lift until it fitted"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "right into the wall and so rendered"}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "itself invisible."}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "The lights from the metal spurs in the"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "headlights and those rotate on the"}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "rotating saucer got brighter, and this"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "last kept turning round and round faster"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "and faster."}, {"end": "01:05:14", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "The machine began to lift slowly"}, {"end": "01:05:16", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "straight up. At the same time, the three"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:14", "text": "legs of the tripod began to lift"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:16", "text": "sideways"}, {"end": "01:05:22", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "so that the lower part of each, which"}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "tapered, was round, and ended in a"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:22", "text": "broader foot, began to fit or telescope"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:25", "text": "into the upper part, which was thicker"}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "and square. When this was over, the top"}, {"end": "01:05:35", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "contrivance entered the bottom of the"}, {"end": "01:05:37", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "machine. Finally, nothing was to be seen"}, {"end": "01:05:39", "start": "01:05:35", "text": "of the legs, and the bottom looked as"}, {"end": "01:05:41", "start": "01:05:37", "text": "smooth and polished as if that tripod"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:39", "text": "had never been there at all in the first"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:41", "text": "place. I couldn't see any sign of where"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "the legs had disappeared. These people"}, {"end": "01:05:51", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "really knew their business. After what"}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "had just occurred, he's found himself"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:51", "text": "with some type of clarity. We'll say"}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "enough so to appreciate the engineering"}, {"end": "01:06:00", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "of this craft. The machine kept rising"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:05:58", "text": "slowly into space till it was a little"}, {"end": "01:06:06", "start": "01:06:00", "text": "over 114 ft above the ground. Very"}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "specific. It stopped for a few moments."}, {"end": "01:06:09", "start": "01:06:06", "text": "Then, while it grew increasingly"}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "brighter, the buzz formed by the"}, {"end": "01:06:13", "start": "01:06:09", "text": "dislocation of air grew louder, and the"}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:11", "text": "revolving saucer began to rotate at a"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:13", "text": "terrific speed, while the light turned"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:15", "text": "to many different shades of color,"}, {"end": "01:06:21", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "finally settling on a bright red. As"}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "this happened, the machine abruptly"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:21", "text": "changed direction by turning"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "unexpectedly and producing a yet larger"}, {"end": "01:06:31", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "noise, a kind of shock."}, {"end": "01:06:33", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "And it was then that I noticed what I've"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:31", "text": "called the rudder turn to one side. When"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:33", "text": "this was over, the strange airship"}, {"end": "01:06:39", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "darted off suddenly like a bullet"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "southward, holding itself straightly a"}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:39", "text": "skew at such a heady speed that it"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "disappeared from sight in a few seconds."}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "I got back to my tractor and it was"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "about 5:30 a.m. when I left the airship."}, {"end": "01:06:56", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "By all accounts, I must have entered it"}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "at 1:15 a.m. So, I had spent 4 hours and"}, {"end": "01:07:02", "start": "01:06:56", "text": "15 minutes on it. Quite a long time, in"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:06:58", "text": "fact. That is a very long time. That is"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:02", "text": "such a long time to be on an alien"}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "craft. As I tried to start the engine, I"}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "noticed that it still wasn't working."}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "So, I tried to find out if there was"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "something wrong with it and discovered"}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "that the wire ends of the battery had"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "been unscrewed and were out of place."}, {"end": "01:07:21", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "Somebody had obviously been at them for"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "a well screwed on battery wire doesn't"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:21", "text": "come loose by itself. And I had checked"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "them all on leaving home. That must have"}, {"end": "01:07:31", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "been done by one of the men when the"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "tractor was standing still with the"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:31", "text": "engine dead probably at the same time"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "that they captured me. It had probably"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "been done to prevent me from running"}, {"end": "01:07:43", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "away in case I'd been able to free"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "myself from their grasp."}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:43", "text": "Those were really sharp-witted people."}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "There was nothing that had escaped their"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "notice. He says the tractor just"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "suddenly wouldn't start, but that when"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "he was being grabbed that one of them"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "came over and like unplugged the battery"}, {"end": "01:08:01", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "or whatever."}, {"end": "01:08:03", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "Um, that's that's that's an interesting"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:08:01", "text": "take. Except for my mother. I haven't"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:03", "text": "told anyone of my experience up to the"}, {"end": "01:08:11", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "present moment. She asked me never to"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "get mixed up again with those people."}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:11", "text": "Classic mom. Who you hanging around"}, {"end": "01:08:17", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "with? You got to stop hanging around"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "these people. They're a bad influence."}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:17", "text": "Don't hang around these troublemakers"}, {"end": "01:08:23", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "anymore. I didn't feel bold enough to"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "tell my father about it because I had"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:23", "text": "already told him about the light that"}, {"end": "01:08:29", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "had appeared in the corral and he hadn't"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "believed me, adding that I was seeing"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:29", "text": "things. Sometime later, I decided to"}, {"end": "01:08:37", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "write to Mr. Xiao M Martins of Cruso"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "magazine after having read one of his"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:37", "text": "articles in November in which he"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "appealed to his readers to send in their"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "experiences with flying saucers. If I"}, {"end": "01:08:50", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "had had more money, I would have come"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "here long ago. But as there was not"}, {"end": "01:08:55", "start": "01:08:50", "text": "enough of it, I had to wait until he"}, {"end": "01:08:59", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "told me that he would pay my expenses"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:55", "text": "for the journey here. Here I am at your"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:08:59", "text": "disposal, gentlemen. And if you think"}, {"end": "01:09:06", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "I'd better go home, I shall leave"}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "tomorrow. But if you find my presence"}, {"end": "01:09:14", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "here useful, I agree to stay on. That is"}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:10", "text": "why I came. Subsequent to this,"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:14", "text": "Mr. Boaz also felt ill. He had some"}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "serious bouts of illness uh which will"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "be later dissected by the Lorenzans."}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "Um there are a few points here that do"}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "come into question as well. We look at"}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "the height of the female. He said, you"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "know, came up to his chin but then also"}, {"end": "01:09:43", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "rubbed his face when she came to kiss"}, {"end": "01:09:46", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "him. So did she bring him in? like how"}, {"end": "01:09:48", "start": "01:09:43", "text": "was she elevated? There's small details"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:46", "text": "like that that kind of don't align. But"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:48", "text": "aside from that, this person does seem"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "like a stable person according to the"}, {"end": "01:09:57", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "Lorenzans. This is one of my favorite"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "stories. I just find myself falling in"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:09:57", "text": "love with this character, with this"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "person. Um the fact that he you know"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "believed so strongly that they rubbed"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "him with this oil you know that made him"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "perform these acts that it wasn't you"}, {"end": "01:10:16", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "know on his own accord and that"}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "afterwards feeling slighted"}, {"end": "01:10:21", "start": "01:10:16", "text": "you know almost betrayed"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "um but then you know being like yeah you"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:21", "text": "know it's whatever I don't really care I"}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "like humans anyways uh that kind of"}, {"end": "01:10:33", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "hindsight it is to me quite funny even"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "you know the interactions with the"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:33", "text": "little beings and being like I got I got"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "taken these guys even though they were"}, {"end": "01:10:40", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "fast way faster than me but yeah rest"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "assured that uh they're lucky you know"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:40", "text": "they they didn't catch these hands you"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "know so although I sit here and I just"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "and I I talk and I I find myself smiling"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "at at his uh"}, {"end": "01:10:55", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "description of what happened"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "part of me is also horrified"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:55", "text": "you know if indeed this happened. This"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "must have been terrifying for this"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "gentleman. And for him to take time away"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "from the farm to travel to tell his"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "story, I mean, is quite quite serious."}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "So although I find myself joking and"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "laughing and this is all in good fun,"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "this is someone's life and that is very"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "serious. And you know, and whatever"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "happened to this gentleman, you know,"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "they they took blood from him. That must"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "have been terrifying. And I'm sure that"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "Mr. fo is was never the same after this"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "altercation. So, uh, but this indeed is"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "one of the strangest encounters and one"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "of the earliest abductions ever"}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "recorded. It's one of the cases that you"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:36", "text": "just can't dismiss because of how early"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:38", "text": "it is. You know, you have a guy like"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "this come out in the year 2025."}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "And yeah, you you have to doubt it. You"}, {"end": "01:11:48", "start": "01:11:45", "text": "have to question it being that there's"}, {"end": "01:11:52", "start": "01:11:47", "text": "so much material out there on this"}, {"end": "01:11:55", "start": "01:11:48", "text": "stuff. But in 1957, abductions weren't"}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:52", "text": "really heard of. There is this story"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:55", "text": "that I was reading through which is here"}, {"end": "01:12:02", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "actually we met the space people by"}, {"end": "01:12:05", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "Helen and Betty Mitchell uh which took"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:02", "text": "place in 57 uh but they wrote the book"}, {"end": "01:12:11", "start": "01:12:05", "text": "in 59 which was after this one came out."}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "Uh there's also in the early 50s, I"}, {"end": "01:12:16", "start": "01:12:11", "text": "think 1952,"}, {"end": "01:12:18", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "was Dan Fry who when aboard the"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:16", "text": "spacecraft was invited by one of these"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:18", "text": "space brothers, these kind space bros"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "that exist out there. Uh you know, and"}, {"end": "01:12:28", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "during the 50s there was a lot of that."}, {"end": "01:12:31", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "There was a lot of this sort of uh"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:28", "text": "spiritually inclined sort of peaceful"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:31", "text": "movement within the UFO and alien lore"}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:36", "text": "where these space brothers would come"}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "down and tell us, you know, to put away"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "the nukes and that type of thing. But"}, {"end": "01:12:44", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "Dan Fry was given a tour of the ship,"}, {"end": "01:12:46", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "but but to his own agreement, he he was"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:44", "text": "asked to to come on. He's like, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:46", "text": "you want to, you know, it wasn't um it"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "wasn't an abduction.\" So this is um this"}, {"end": "01:12:58", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "and Barney Betty and Barney Hill, you"}, {"end": "01:13:00", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "know, set precedent for a lot of the"}, {"end": "01:13:02", "start": "01:12:58", "text": "modern abduction cases and still to this"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:00", "text": "day are highly anomalous and"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:02", "text": "unexplainable."}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "So would love to hear your thoughts."}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "Thank you so much. This is one of the"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "best readthroughs that I've ever done."}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "One of the most fantastic stories that"}, {"end": "01:13:16", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "I'm so happy I got to share with all of"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:14", "text": "you. And I highly encourage you to check"}, {"end": "01:13:21", "start": "01:13:16", "text": "out their book. Uh, Car Jim and Carra"}, {"end": "01:13:23", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "Lorenzan wrote a number of books. This"}, {"end": "01:13:26", "start": "01:13:21", "text": "one I think the earliest being written"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:23", "text": "in ' 67. Uh, Flying Saucer Occupants is"}, {"end": "01:13:30", "start": "01:13:26", "text": "one of the most fascinating because"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "there's so many other cool stories in"}, {"end": "01:13:33", "start": "01:13:30", "text": "there. And I would love to bring more of"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "these to your attention. If that's"}, {"end": "01:13:37", "start": "01:13:33", "text": "something that you would enjoy, please"}, {"end": "01:13:39", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "let me know down below. Check out"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:37", "text": "Area52.shop"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:39", "text": "for your Majestic 12 merch if you so"}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "desire. And if you want some extra"}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "episodes, weekly updates, so much more"}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:49", "text": "book club, movie night, all that jazz,"}, {"end": "01:13:59", "start": "01:13:53", "text": "do me a favor. 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[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Son of legendary astronomer and UFO"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "researcher Dr. J. Allen Heinik. Paul"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "Heinik."}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "Are you familiar with Project Blue Book?"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "Blue Book."}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "Blue Book."}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Project Blue Book."}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "Project Blue Book."}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "Dr. J. Allen Heinik, chairman of the"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "Department of Astronomy, a UFO"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "investigator for the Air Force for the"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "past 18 years."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "He saw so many witnesses that were so"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "credible. Calvin Parker and Charlie"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Hixon, Father Gil, Travis Walton. So"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "many of these people who you just sit"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "down with and you can tell"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "they are not lying. And I remember"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "taking the call from Calvin Parker. Good"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "friend of mine. Yeah. Um"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "what do you mean you took the call?"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "I the phone rang in my house. I'm"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "outside playing kickball and there's"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "this guy with a southern draw talking"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "about Pascula and seeing something in"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "the sky."}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "It was Neil Armstrong who asked to sit"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "with my father and family. Turns out"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "that he did talk with my father and they"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "talked seriously about creating a new"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "UFO research group."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "What year was this?"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "1973."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "This is 4 years after the moon landing."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Using the title of a chapter from my"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "father's book. You actually have my"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "father in Spielberg explaining what the"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "movie title means."}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "And the close encounters of the third"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "kind are the most interesting of all"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "is really when you meet them. Jacques"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "and I went to Sakuro, New Mexico, site"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "of one of the most famous sightings. And"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "he told me that it was there, that case,"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "1964, Lonni Zamora, a policeman, that"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "made my father feel comfortable speaking"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "in public about aliens and not just"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "craft."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "It was not comfortable speaking"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "publicly. So, he and Jacques formed what"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "they called the Invisible College."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "My father encountered what are now known"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "as Men in Black. He had two sightings um"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "that I know of."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "What he would call a daylight desk"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "and I think my father's favorite was"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "Colonel Friend. And I said, \"Lieutenant"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Colonel Friend, did you ever see"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "anything convincing?\" And he looks"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "around and he says, \"Oh yes.\""}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "Was there ever anybody that came that"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "made you go, \"Huh?\""}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "I think I asked her, \"What do you do?"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "What are you here for?\" She says, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "well, I'm a nanny on a spaceship for"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "human hybrid alien babies.\""}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "There's a question from my friend Jesse"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "Michaels from American Alchemy."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "Was your father part of a deeper UFO"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "program that went beyond Blue Book?"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "around 2:00 in the morning, I was"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "leaning against a brick wall on"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "Hollywood Boulevard and across the"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "street was a tall man, 6'5 in a brand"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "new plaid suit, blonde hair, blue eyes."}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "And through telepathy, he looked up at"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "me and asked me if I could hear him. And"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "I looked up and through telepathy,"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "shaking my head up and down, I said yes."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "And then through telepathy, he said,"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "\"Watch this.\" And he walked towards me"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "across the street on Hollywood"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "Boulevard. And from six feet away, he"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "walked into the brick building I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "leaning against. And I look over and"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "he's gone. And then he poked only his"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "head out and asked me through telepathy"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "if I could see him. And with my jaw"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "dropped open, shaking my head up and"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "down. I'm saying yes. He put his head"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "back in and then come out walking to"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "where he came from. Um I believe it to"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "be a Nordic. I was not scared"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "whatsoever."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "They're here."}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "Uh ladies and gentlemen, today we are"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "joined by a very very interesting person"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "who I've met recently at contact in the"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "desert. This is Paul Heinik,"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "entrepreneur, futurist, and son of"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "legendary astronomer and UFO researcher"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "Dr. J. Allen Heinik. Paul grew up at the"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "epicenter of the UFO conversation with"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "Project Blue Book unfolding in real time"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "around the dinner table. And now he's"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "carving his own path in both technology"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "and disclosure, futurism and the"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "unexplained. Welcome Paul Heinik."}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "Rock and roll."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "Heck yeah. Uh Paul, first of all, I want"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "to acknowledge the little aliens that"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "you brought me."}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "Those are genuine Heinik alien skiff"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "gnomes."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "They look like aliens. Can I Can I hold"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "one?"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "Sure, of course. Are they made of stone?"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "What are they made of?"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "You tell me."}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "No way. These are so cool. Little butt."}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "These are very, very cool. Uh, these"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "will live here from now on."}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Yeah, I like to bring my posi."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Thank you so much. They protect you and"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "keep you guarded."}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "very cool. Uh, Paul, man, I'm looking"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "forward to this discussion uh for so"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "many reasons. you know, as someone who's"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "researching UFOs, you know, you you"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "obviously come across your father's work"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "in this and the importance that he"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "I mean, he was just such a big part of"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "it uh in the, you know, in the 40s and"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "50s, the late 40s, 50s and 60s and 70s"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "even. Um, it's it's really hard to"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "ignore a lot of his work. Uh, so I'd"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "like to start our conversation"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "acknowledging that a little bit before"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "we start getting into some of your work"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "as well, if that's okay. Sure."}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "Great. So, talk me through"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "what it's like growing up Heck. What is"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "that like for you? I think you've had"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "quite the colorful past. So, I'd love"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "for you to touch on that a little bit."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "So, however you grow up is normal, good"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "or bad to you, until you have a little"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "bit of hindsight and you can look back"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "and say, \"That was a little bit odd.\""}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "You know, I don't know life without"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "UFOs. We had flying saucer ornaments on"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "the Christmas tree. Travis Walton,"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "Calvin Parker for dinner, Father Gil. So"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "UFOs were part of the fabric of our"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "life. But for us, our father was little"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "Joey, the Czech boy from Chicago who"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "fulfilled his lifelong dream to be an"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "astronomer. And that's really was what"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "he was to us, an astronomer and a"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "professor who had a late in life side"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "gig of UFOs. Mh."}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "And so we looked at him as the astronomy"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "professor. That was like his real main"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "hat that he wore that engaged in"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "curiously open conversations about the"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "fringes of the known universe."}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "So we grew up in a house. It was"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "academic. So we grew up right by"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "Northwestern, at least the second"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "generation of which I was in the family,"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "and loving science, but also being"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "healthily,"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "modestly, skeptically open to magic."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "And by magic, you mean the unknown, the"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "phenomenon. And you know my father"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "people tend to think of scientists as"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "robotic but my father had Rosa Cruen"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "leanings and he thought there was"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "divinity or magic in the universe and"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "part of an astronomer's job was to find"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "that."}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Well this is really interesting because"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "later on in the episode as you might"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "know we do have questions from our"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "interns and our operatives."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Um one of the questions was actually"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "something you just touched on. So we're"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "going to nyx that question and get to it"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "right now because I think it's really"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "timely. Rosacrruianism."}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "this is very interesting. The hermetic"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "principles is something that I've been"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "reading a lot on as well and it's just"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "extremely fascinating uh stuff. What was"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "his involvement and to what extent was"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "it uh was his interest in in in"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "Rosacrushianism?"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "So he was interested in rosacrushianism"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "and part of his um his death ritual"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "wasn't a burial ritual was based on"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "roacian beliefs at the same time he's"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "interested in theosophy and Rudolph"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "Steiner and kind of an interesting"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "synchronicity for me was I went to"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "University of Pennsylvania for graduate"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "school and less than 30 second walk from"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "my super sumptuious graduate dorm"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "was a restaurant called the White Dog"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "Cafe in Philadelphia."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "And I remember reading the menu one day"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "and on the back of it, it had sort of"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "the origin story. And it used to be the"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "house of Madame HP Bllovadski."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "One of the founders of the Theosophy"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "movement."}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "And so she had contracted Gang Green in"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "like the late 1800s. And they told her"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "they're going to have to amputate her"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "leg. And she said, \"Fancy that. I'll not"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "have my leg enter the spirit world"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "before me. And she credited sleeping"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "with her, wait for it, White Dog, as"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "having cured her of her gang green. So"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "that's why the restaurant is named White"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "Dog. It's one of my favorite restaurants"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "I went to with my mom. And to me, that"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "brought into the present what seemed"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "like some dusty old spiritual traditions"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "that my father had. Um, and I recently"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "found a book of his by Rudolph Steiner"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "who was in theosophy and then went on to"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "form anthroposophical school uh with all"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "these underlines and annotations from my"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "father. So also I think you know to"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "Jacques Valet's credit you know longtime"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "family friend"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "Jacques really got my father more from"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "nuts andbolts astrophysics to sort of"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "like consciousness where a lot of us"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "kind of wind up going when the dust"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "settles. So he had sort of an"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "amalgamation of"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "theosophy, rosacrruianism,"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "sometimes a little bit of astrology,"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "although he didn't like being called an"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "astrologer. Not many astronomers do, but"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "he liked sort of cherrypicking from"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "different traditions the things that"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "seem to most resonate and that had some"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "kind of implicit bulian, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "implicate universe connection that he"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "was sort of teasing out. Wow, that is"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "fascinating and not what you would"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "expect from a scientist or astronomer."}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "And do you think that's what led to him"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "being chosen for the task that he had or"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "did that come as a consequence?"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "So, I've seen articles that have this"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "grand conspiracy theory about how he is"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "a CIA stoogge and all this. I think, you"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "know, not to get a case of AAM's razor"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "burn, it was a lot simpler than that. He"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "had an a clearance from World War II"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "because he worked on the proximity fuse"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "at the applied physics laboratory at"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Johns Hopkins University. He's in um"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "Ohio, not far from right Pat. He's"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "teaching at Ohio State. The Air Force"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "for Project Blue Book, which was not, as"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "you know, a serious scientific effort to"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "get to the bottom and reverse engineer"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "propulsion systems. It was a PR exercise"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "to tamp down public hysteria."}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "Yeah. So, I think they saw, hey, we have"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "an astronomer nearby. He's a company"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "man. He's got a clearance. Fits the"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "bill. I think that's probably all there"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "was to it."}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "Right. That makes sense."}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "And for my father, I'm quite sure he"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "didn't think his fourthborn child, Pesky"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "Paul, would be talking about this"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "decades and decades later here in the"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "skiff. I think he thought it was all of"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "a few weekends worth of work"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "because this was this was not even UF"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "this not UAPs. It wasn't even UFOs. It"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "was flying saucers."}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "That's right."}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "Post-war hysteria. Sure, I'm an"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "astronomer with the resources of the Air"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "Force. I can put this to bed. Funny"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "things happens, you know, on the way to"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "the evidence parade and he couldn't do"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "that. And it just kept going on and on."}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "And I have to think there were"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "conversations between my mom and my dad"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "because my dad had not yet received"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "tenure, which is the brass ring in"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "academia. And I can just imagine my mom,"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "bless her soul, saying, \"But Alan, how"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "is chasing flying saucers going to help"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "you get tenure?\""}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "Yeah, it's a good question, especially"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "back then when it was quite, you know,"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "taboo. But you also had another, I"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "believe, astronomer who was working"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "perhaps on the opposite side of that"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "spectrum, really looking to disprove"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "saucers, which was Donald Menzel, uh,"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "back in the day as well. Um, was he ever"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "brought up in conversation with your"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "father? Well, they were colleagues at"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "Harvard."}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "So, my father had relationship with him,"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "which I believe was more cordial than is"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "widely purported. Um, and my father knew"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "that for a lot of astronomers, it was"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "not comfortable speaking publicly. So,"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "he and Jacques formed what they call the"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "invisible college, which is kind of a"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "intellectual safe space for a scientist"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "to openly express their views. And I"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "have copies of correspondence between"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "Arthur C. Clark and my dad where Arthur"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "C. Clark says, \"Hey, Dr. Heck, just want"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "to say that in public I have to poo poo"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "these things, but I really greatly"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "admire what you're saying."}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "And another example of that is in 1973"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "when I was 11 years old, uh my father"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "told my younger brother, my mom and I"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "that we're going to Africa. Like, oh,"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "that's cool. He says, \"Well, sort of,"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "but the thrust of the trip is to go off"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "the west coast of Africa because that's"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "the best place in the world to see the"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "total solar eclipse.\" Now, eclipses are"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "a big deal in the Heinick family. So,"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "we're like, \"Great.\" So, we go on the"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "ship for two weeks and we go for free"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "because my dad's lecturing. And then he"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "says, \"Oh, and by the way, our family"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "and one other family will be having all"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "of our meals together for two weeks.\""}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "And it was Neil Armstrong and his"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "family."}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "Yeah, that's incredible."}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "As an 11-year-old kid and an astronomer,"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "there's nobody in the world I would have"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "rather met."}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "What year was this?"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "1973."}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "This is four years after the moon"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "landing,"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "Oh my god. That is like"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "That is unheard of. That's like that's"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "like having dinner with Michael Jordan"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "in his prime."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "And for Chicago boy, that's that's"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "something, right? So, it was it was"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "incredible. And spent, you know, all"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "this time and"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "after a while, you know, I you know,"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "people be coming up to him. My dad was"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "fairly well known on an eclipse cruise,"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "but not like Neil Armstrong known. No."}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "And I'm saying, um, Mr. Armstrong, okay,"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "Neil, do you want me to let them come"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "come through and all this? And I got I"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "became friends with his kids. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "Neil deGrasse Tyson's on the ship. Isaac"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "Azimoff was on the ship and I remember"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "him with his mutton chops. Some"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "20-year-old woman asked him for his"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "autograph and he had a Sharpie and he"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "wrote on her thigh, Isaac Azimoff was"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "Sick."}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "one of the greatest science fiction"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "authors of of all time. Both the"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "greatest. I think"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "that's my when people say Isaac Azimov"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "and you know his his works, that's what"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "I think of."}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "Now, incredible. You know, there was an"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "article in the Sun, an art, a paper in"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "the UK, I think in 2019, that talked"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "about how it was Neil Armstrong who"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "asked to sit with my father and family."}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "And I hadn't really thought about how"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "this came about, but of course it's Neil"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "Armstrong who's going to call the shots."}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "And turns out that he did talk with my"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "father and they talked seriously about"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "creating a new UFO research group."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "Wow. which was"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "which well I think became Kufos because"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "Neil was he was fairly reclusive not"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "like Buzz Aldrin right he's not didn't"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "really enjoy the spotlight and"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "especially in the early '7s there was so"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "much more stigma attached to the"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "phenomena that he decided it's just not"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "for me but for me some of the most"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "telling evidence are these things the"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "fact that Neil Armstrong"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "publicly sat with my father who had"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "a reputation Yeah, it had good"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "astronomical bonafides, but was known"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "for UFOs at that time."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "He sat with him and I know he talked"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "with my dad about pursuing this. So, I"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "don't know what he saw or what he think"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "he may have seen."}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "But he was a, you know, jet pilot, a"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "test pilot, and he decided that there's"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "something going on and he wanted to work"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "with my father to figure out what it"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "was."}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "Yeah. I mean, and that's, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "lot of people speculate Obviously, you"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "know that postmoon landing press"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "conference which seems very subdued,"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "ominous and"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "not the energy you think you would have"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "coming home a hero walked on the moon."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "Everyone in that room except for those"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "gentlemen were excited."}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "Yeah. And I I don't know. It's hard to"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "know"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "how you're going to react after that"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "momentous of experience."}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "That's a great point, but definitely not"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "what you'd expect. And you know, I've"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "had friends of mine who uh who are"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "behavioral anal uh analysts who look at"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "body language and and that type of"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "stuff. And uh I was like, hey, you want"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "to come do a video? And they're like,"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "not that video. I was like, why? I just"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "can't touch it. Yeah. Yeah. Because"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "they're I mean the body language"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "screams, you know, something else. It"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "screams stress. you know, when you have"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "behavioral ana analysts do things and"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "look at things, it's it's why it's not"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "widely accepted obviously in court"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "because you're not lie detecting just"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "like a lie detector isn't a lie"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "detector. Stress detector."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "Yeah. And people react differently to"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "stress."}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "That's right. Everybody has a different"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "baseline. Correct. And so, but for them,"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "I mean, you can tell there is stress."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "Now, whether that's stress of the"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "cameras or whether that's stress of them"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "holding on to, you know, a deep dark"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "secret"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "or minders just out of frame."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "Yes. Correct. Yeah, exactly. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "anyways, that sounds like an incredible"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "trip for an 11-year-old to be on. Is"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "that your earliest memory of, \"Holy"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "crap, what is my dad involved with?\""}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "No, because there were always reporters"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "coming to the house. Um, he was on TV"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "and radio a lot and so we're used to"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "this. And even apart from UFOs, he was"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "fairly well known in Chicago for"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "astronomy. He was really tied in with"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "all all sorts of groups in Chicago. So,"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "it was more sort of the frog getting a"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "bit warmer, not realizing it. But that"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "was a big deal. And it was close"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "encounters really where it just blew the"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "lid off things."}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "Oh, okay. Yeah. But with his stardom"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "with him being a part of it or just uh"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "being associated with it."}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "Yeah. And the whole thing about it being"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "this big movie using the title of a"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "chapter from my father's book. You know,"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "we talked about how I think Star Wars is"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "maybe one of the best movie titles of"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "all time. Imagine Spielberg in the"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "office at Columbia Studios saying, \"I"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "want to do this movie. I'm fresh off of"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "Jaws,\" which is another great title for"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "a movie, right? Fits on the merch and"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "the posters."}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "Close Encounters of the Third Kind. You"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "with me?"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "Horrible title for a movie. doesn't mean"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "anything. And in the original trailer,"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "which you can find on YouTube, it's like"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "4 and a half minutes long, you actually"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "have my father in Spielberg explaining"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "what the movie title means. That's not a"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "great way to marketing success for a"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "movie."}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "Well, close encounter the first kind is"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "one is close, but nothing really"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "happens."}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "Close encounter of the first kind is"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "visible contact with UFO."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "Forget the shape and forget how fast"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "it's going. It's something that you just"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "can't explain. Close encounter of the"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "second kind are those which leave a"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "physical trace. Holes in the ground,"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "burn rings, broken tree branches,"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "telephone lines down,"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "animals disturbed,"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "the stopping of car engines."}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "Then the close encounters of the third"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "kind are the most interesting of all."}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "Close encounter of the third kind"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "is really when you meet him."}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "Oh yeah."}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "You would not that would not go past"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "like the initial pitch."}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "No. So I know my father was a bit"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "nervous about it because when Hollywood"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "comes a calling and you know Hollywood"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "whether it's AI or UFOs"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "most of the movies they make about it"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "are dystopian because drama needs"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "conflict."}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "If I said hey Chris I got a great idea"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "for a movie let's do it together of the"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "nice happy AI people. That's not going"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "to get butts and seats. So you're going"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "to have more Matrix and Terminator style"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "movies. So So think about my dad. Oh, I"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "want to do a movie about UFOs. Oh, world"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "of the worlds. What's it gonna be?"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "And it turns out it was a very different"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "type of movie."}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "Um where the aliens, okay, there's a"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "little bit of kidnapping, but it's"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "nicer, gentler kidnapping. But the"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "aliens, you know, you really don't see"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "much of them. And in the original"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "version of the movie when the mother"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "ship lands and you get past all the"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "little aliens who were six-year-old"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "girls and all those takes were very"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "short because they kept disco dancing"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "and you have that sort of gangly alien"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "come out in the original version of the"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "movie. He and my father everyone leaves"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "except for my father and they are sort"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "of exchanging gestures and the alien"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "plays with my dad's pipe and things like"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "that. That didn't play well. So, but"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "that movie portrayed not only aliens as"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "something not inherently to fear, but"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "along the title along the lines of the"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "title, my father's book, The UFO"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "Experience, it's not just the visual"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "sighting of a craft, but it's the"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "communication, as you know, sometimes"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "before, during, and after. It's that"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "whole experience,"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "right,"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "of contact with some other species,"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "the sightings, the the radiation burns,"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "the uh the chases,"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "the mashed potato mountains,"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "the the lights entering the house and"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "the poltergeist activity."}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "Yeah. And a lot of those things are"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "taken from real reports. That's right."}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "So, there's a lot of ver similitude in"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "the movie."}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "Is that thanks to yourself and Jacques"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "uh or not yourself, sorry, your father"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "and Jacques uh being a part of the"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "consultation for that movie?"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "Yeah. And also, I think Spielberg did a"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "lot of reading. Yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "because he was very interested in the"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "phenom."}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "Well, I think he would have to be to"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "name name the movie Close Encounters of"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "the Third Kind. That just shows you how"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "invested he was, at least then at"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "getting the truth out there because we"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "had a conversation prior to filming"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "where you said, you know, Hollywood is"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "very different in tackling uh this"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "subject in that if you have a specific"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "vision in mind, by the time it comes to"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "fruition, it's gone through so many"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "channels and group think that it it"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "morphs into something else. heavily"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "dramatized, uh, romanticized, and all"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "sorts of other bells and whistles are"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "applied to it, but that kind of stayed"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "the course, the Close Encounters"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "narrative, the whole movie from"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "beginning to end. Do you think that was"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "partially due to the power that Steven"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "Spielberg had? Because I I feel like"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "that something like that on paper"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "doesn't look as good as it could be, you"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "know, once it's filmed. It feels a"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "little off."}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "Yeah. I don't know all the internal"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "dynamics. Uh I'm sure there were studio"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "notes, but I think probably the biggest"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "fight was the title. Um and Spielberg"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "didn't have the clout he does now. I"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "mean, he' come off Jaws, so he's up and"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "cominging director, so I'm sure the"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "studio had some input, but it you know,"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "um I think he was he was very passionate"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "about it and it holds together well. So"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "Oh, and it's beautiful. Beautifully"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "shot. 35mm. I mean, the the wide"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "panoramics and"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "and the effects hold up."}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "It is 75 millimeter on the effects, I"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "think. Yeah. And um the clouds are are"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "really interesting because they used"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "they call a milk tank where they have a"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "big tank of water and they put cream in"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "there. And so that it just looks really"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "good. That was done by a friend of ours"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "who when he was an intern at UCLA and"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "there's so many fun stories about the"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "movie and and I met Spielberg during"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "filming. My mom had said hey the"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "director is coming out. She just said"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "the director to meet with your dad."}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "Would you like to meet with them at"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "O'Hare airport about 45 minutes from our"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "house? I said sure. So the day comes to"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "go there and my mom says, \"Okay, Paul,"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "get ready. You're going to the airport.\""}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "I don't want to go. She said, \"You said"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "you're going to meet Steven Spielberg."}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "You are going to meet Steven Spielberg.\""}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "So I met him under duress,"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "which is probably not something that"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "happens very often. Stephen Spielberg."}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "That is incredible. I mean, what a what"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "a colorful upbringing that must have"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "been."}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "Um, and this is also in the 70s, right?"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "So this is I mean"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "all sorts of talk of like the age of"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "Aquarius coming out very esoteric sort"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "of environment to be brought up in"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "especially in a household where you know"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "eventually at least this idea of UFOs is"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "real and that they exist. 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I"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "think most of his transformation from a"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "skeptic not to a believer because that's"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "not a word that scientists use and I I"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "noticed that you studiously avoided that"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "to an acceptor of the accumulated weight"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "of the data had already occurred"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "right"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "and uh Jacques and I went to Sakuro New"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "Mexico site of one of the most famous"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "sightings and he told me that it was"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "there that case 1964 Lani Zamora a"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "policeman that made my father feel"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "comfortable speaking in public about"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "aliens and not just craft."}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "So, a lot of this transformation had"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "occurred in the 60s before my time of"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "talking with my dad."}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "Wow. Yeah. That was one of those cases"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "that's hard to deny, especially because"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "the witness was so credible. And I think"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "that's why it became such an important"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "case in history. An important case for"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "people who were of an academic"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "background who were afraid to come"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "forward. Now they can lean on like an"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "actual witness who you know who has uh"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "uh practiced ability to you know uh"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "observe things and take notes and you"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "know policemen are very interesting"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "witnesses for a reason I hadn't quite"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "understood until recently till my friend"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "Mary and Rob told me she's formed a"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "group called UAP PD she's a former comp"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "and you know for an air force pilot"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "reporting a UFO is not widely seen as a"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "fast track to career advancement. No,"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "but for policemen, there's an extra"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "element that holds them back. So,"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "imagine you go off and you say, \"I saw a"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "UFO.\""}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "A month later, you're in court"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "testifying in a completely unrelated"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "case. And the defense attorney says,"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "\"Oh, Mr. policeman, aren't you the guy"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "that a month ago says you saw some"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "egg-shaped craft landing in the desert?\""}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "There goes your whole credibility."}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "Sure. So they have not only"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "institutional imperative to tamp down"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "but this very strong prosaic reason to"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "shut their mouth and not talk about it."}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "Yeah that's yeah it's true which makes"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "it even more compelling. Interesting."}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "Very interesting. Um now going back to"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "your father being interested in this uh"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "you know rosacrruianism and all this"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "stuff. Do you think"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "your father ever felt like"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "there was some sort of path laid out for"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "him?"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "Because if you look at his trajectory"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "and even your trajectory to an extent"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "and and um it seems that way, you know,"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "you go from from being an an astronomer"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "to being part of this, you know, uh UFO"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "project that the government or this"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "flying saucer whatever thing that this"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "was in Blue Book to then, you know,"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "going beyond that into Hollywood and"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "then into the, you know, it had a"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "profound and lack lasting permanent"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "effect on not only the UFO community but"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "the entire world and how it views the"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "subject."}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "At any point did do you think your"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "father felt or maybe yourself by"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "extension that there was some sort of"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "path laid out?"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "I'll say yes and no. Yes, in that my"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "father was born to Czech parents in"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "Chicago in 1910. and he didn't speak"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "English till he went to kindergarten and"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "they took him on the roof of the"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "hospital to show him how's comet."}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "He told my brother Joel and he also"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "mentioned in an interview on television"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "that he came that he thought he would be"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "like Mark Twain and he would come and go"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "with comment. And at that point he"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "realized he's 36 years old. His life is"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "halfway over."}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "Fast forward to 1986. I'm living with my"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "parents. My father has a brain tumor and"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "I take him out in the desert in Phoenix,"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "Arizona to see Halie's comet right"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "before he died."}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "you know, it was devastating for me and"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "our family to lose uh my father, but"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "that's somewhat of a consoling pair of"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "cosmological book ads."}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "no. Because"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "my father wanted"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "that quintessential capital D disclosure"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "incident of the saucer landing on the"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "lawn of the White House and a Walter"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "Kronite type narrating it to a believing"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "public. He wanted that that case to"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "crack it all open and he never got that."}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "Now in so doing and being a very"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "believable avankuncular character he"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "brought a lot of us along and he really"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "raised the temperature. He really"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "increased the ratio of signal to noise"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "in the debate and made a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "feel like well if this guy who seems"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "pretty grounded"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "says that he doesn't talk about you know"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "extraterrestrials he would use the term"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "metarrestrials that there's something"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "happening. Well, maybe I don't need to"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "know where they come from, right? It's a"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "very difficult place for people to rest."}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "You know, a lot of people want answers."}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "We're pattern-seeking mammals. We want"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "answers. And there's a great phrase that"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "we've talked about that is there are two"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "kinds of people in the world. Those who"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "are okay with their questions not being"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "answered and those who are not okay with"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "their answers being questioned. And that"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "draws a great"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "intellectual fault line between those"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "two camps. And I think you and most of"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "the folks watching are probably in that"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "former camp. They're like, \"Okay, I know"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "there's something out there. It's"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "ineffable. I can't touch it.\" Maybe by"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "going out in the desert, maybe by going"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "to the Monroe Institute. All these"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "things, I can find out what it is, but I"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "know there's something and I don't need"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "to have an answer. And my father felt"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "that way that sometimes there will be"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "evidence that's annoying. It's contrary"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "to the grant you're getting or the book"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "that you wrote or what you're well known"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "for, but it keeps there. You know,"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "evidence is a funny thing. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "always conform to your pre-existing"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "belief system. So, you need to keep your"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "mind open that there may be a new"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "phenomena, but the once you're ready to"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "accept, hey, there's something going on,"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "you don't just rush and grab the best"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "available answer and shut it in and call"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "it case closed. That's very difficult"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "for us to do."}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "Yeah. Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, for a"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "variety of reasons, for survival, I"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "think mainly, you know, we don't want to"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "be in a place of uncertainty because"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "what does that yield for our future?"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "And so, we have to lock down. So, I"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "don't blame anyone for having a belief"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "system. But if you're into truth"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "seeking, then you need to, I think, uh,"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "in a healthy manner, set that aside."}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "And I I don't think you choose your"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "beliefs. You just believe. It's"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "something that happens and you believe"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "something. And it's very difficult then"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "and facts aren't always the most"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "dispositive thing to make you change"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "your mind."}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "That's right. And just like with"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "anything else, if you have a certain"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "system through which you filter"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "information, that is creating just an"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "innate bias with how you consume that"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "information. So, for instance, if you"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "you know um I don't know if you if you"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "if you're inclined to liking things that"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "are cold, let's say, well, all the"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "information, sure, all the information"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "that filters in, you're going to be"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "looking at through a lens of, well, I"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "really prefer things that are cold, you"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "know, so I'm going to talk about summer"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "and you're going to be like, yeah, I'm"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "not a big fan of summer or like, you"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "know, summer tends to get like and all"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "the information now is like skewed"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "against and so any little belief system"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "or any little personal preference bias"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "that you might have will interfere with"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "data collection and it's really hard"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "uh for people to get past that because"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "we are emotional beings. You know, I"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "often talk about how if I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "tell you about an experience I had,"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "whether that's seeing a magic trick or"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "whether that's seeing a UFO, I'm not"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "giving you the data. I'm trying to make"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "you feel like you were there. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "Right. So, I'm going to convey"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "emotionally what that was like and how"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "amazing it was because I want you to"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "feel like you were there because that's"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "all I want is to share my emotion. I"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "don't care about sharing data."}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "And so often we fall into that category"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "of wanting to, you know, uphold our own"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "belief systems through emotional"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "connection with people rather than just"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "giving the boring data which is like you"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "said like the, you know, the the dull"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "side of the outcomes razor or like the,"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "you know, the boring side rather."}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "you know, that's um that's just part of"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "the game and that's uh I do I do enjoy"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "um you know, being open-minded and"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "speaking to like, you know, like-minded"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "people and having an audience like this"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "who who enjoys these talks as well. Uh"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "now, let's go to the Monroe Institute."}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "Something you just mentioned, you know,"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "um as my audience knows, I had uh my"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "interaction with the Monroe Institute"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "about a year ago, uh year ago last week."}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "Mhm. uh where I had some out-of- body"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "experiences. Heard about the place"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "through uh Joseph McMongle and Dr. Edwin"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "May who I've spoken with and you know"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "they were like you know this is the"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "place where people would go to study"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "astral projection and all these wild"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "things which I thought were"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "it was the borderline lunacy. I was like"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "this is just dreams you're you're"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "talking about until I had my own"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "experiences and um I know them to be"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "objectively different from lucid"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "dreaming and just just a complete you"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "know unknown complete unknown. So I go"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "there, have my experiences uh document"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "it, go with uh you know through the"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "blessing of Paul Cinderella VP over"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "there and uh Paul's a genuinely really"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "nice guy. Everybody was just super kind,"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "Allen and everyone else"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "and uh do this and then come to find out"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "when I meet you that you are the CFO of"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "the Monroe Institute. So"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "as charged."}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "So tell me how that came about."}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "Around the time that I went on the"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "Eclipse cruise, my father took me three"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "years in a row to a Harold Sherman ESP"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "conference because I was super"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "interested in psychic phenomena. And"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "what age was he? You were 11."}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "Yeah. Maybe maybe like 9 10 11 12 around"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "And so Ingo Swan, Alex Tannis, Olga"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "Waral, lots of well-known people,"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "healers and psychics were there. And I"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "had read Journeys Out of the Body and uh"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "Bob Monroe was there and my father was a"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "speaker so he would take me in the"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "speakers room where everybody just sort"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "of you know relaxes a little bit and Bob"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "was there and I was a fan and so I told"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "him, \"Hey, Mr. Monroe, call me Bob. Um I"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "really love Journeys Out of the Body.\""}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "And I'd already seen my father and"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "talked to my father about not"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "questioning because I don't like that"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "word, but talking to witnesses. You"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "know, my father was an astrophysicist."}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "He wasn't trained in soft arts of"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "talking to somebody, you know, in the"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "aftermath of a traumatic event. He had"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "to learn how to do that. But I would see"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "how he would talk to people and first"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "make them feel comfortable, legitimize"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "them, but then also ask questions from"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "slightly different angles to try to"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "corroborate and see if it's consistent"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "and longitudinally over time. And so I"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "applied some of my junior sleuth"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "techniques with Bob because he there's a"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "very I I don't say ordinary in a"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "demeaning way, but a normal salt of the"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "earth guy talking about very"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "extraordinary experiences and coming to"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "you know it was very candid in how he's"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "trying to come to grips with this stuff."}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "And I just remember thinking this guy is"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "as honest as they come. He is just"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "trying to figure out what's going on."}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "He's very intelligent. He's very candid."}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "This what my father would call a highly"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "credible witness. And I came away from"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "there that's just amazing. And so fast"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "forward over the years, I bought um fair"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "amount of Monroe sound science stuff"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "which is just fantastic. And then a"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "couple years ago at Conscious Life Expo"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "where I was speaking, I saw that they"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "had a booth. And so I'm sort of a"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "part-time CFO for startups and"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "nonprofits. And I just walk up to the"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "guy in the booth. I said, \"Hey, you guys"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "need a CFO.\" And he says, \"Yeah, we do.\""}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "So the next day I met Paul Ciderella,"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "the CTO, and Alan Evans, the CEO. We sat"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "down. They hired me on the spot. And"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "I've been the CFO since. And it's been a"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "wonderful relationship because it's"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "deeply resonant for me the, you know,"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "consciousness expanding and having met"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "Bob as a kid. And this is a serious"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "wonderful organization. And the other"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "thing that warmed the cockals of this"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "CFO's heart is that as you may know,"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "they have a goal, a concrete goal to get"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "their technology in the hands or in the"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "minds of 80 million people, 1% of the"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "population."}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "And for me, I can be quantitative,"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "especially in my capacity as CFO. I like"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "metrics. And Paul's great that way also."}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "And so that I was able to sink my teeth"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "into and say that's why we all come"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "here."}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "And so it's just been a fantastic thing"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "for me where my"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "I don't want to say alternative, my"}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "interests, my natural leanings take me"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "and where my skill sets can help."}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "Yeah. I mean it's also I think echoes"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "part of uh Robert Monroe's original was"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "it N5000 did he call it? So, he had this"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "this goal to get it to like 5,000 people"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "to experience out of body, which, you"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "know, long since surpassed."}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "Um, I'm sure he's I'm sure he's very"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "happy about that wherever he's at now."}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "I I think he would be overthe-top"}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "thrilled with how the Monroe Institute"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "is doing now. And we have a lot of plans"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "now for super exciting expansions on"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "what we're doing. And you know with"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "Allan and Paul and the board who is"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "deeply engaged there's just great"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "leadership and such a great feeling. And"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "also want to give a shout out to Jamie"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "Roorbeck the controller who started the"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "same time as I did and it's just been"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "and she is a as I teas her recidivist"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "program attendee and I have not yet done"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "her program there I have to admit. So I"}, {"end": "00:40:12", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "need to go and do that. We talked about"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "me teaching a UFO one, but I want to go"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:12", "text": "there and do my own Gateway experience."}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "And you were telling me uh about how"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "wonderful it was even before Gateway,"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "how the universe sort of opened up to"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "you, as Monroe will say, that can"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "happen. And I'll tell you, it's just"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "been one of the most deeply fulfilling"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "experiences of my life to"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "work with and help such an important"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "effort and see how"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "professional and capably it's run."}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "Yeah, I love that. And it's, you know,"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "it's one of those things that I am I'm a"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "lifelong shill for, uh, Monroe because"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "I, uh, understand how profound of an"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "impact it had to me personally,"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "spiritually, emotionally, mentally. I"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "juggle stress in a way that I've never"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "not even juggle stress anymore. I"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "acknowledge stress and let it move"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "through me like it's"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "eat it for breakfast."}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "Yeah. It's a whole other way to"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "experience this realm once you"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "understand the tools that they can they"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "can provide you with. Um, so you know,"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "and I I I don't say that lightly. This"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "isn't a I don't get paid to talk about"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "them. It it really did, you know, change"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "me profoundly as a human being, and I'm"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "glad that it happened that way. And I"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "also feel like it couldn't have happened"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "any other way. You know, this weird"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "synchronous sort of uh path that led me"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "to Monroe and then post Monroe, all the"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "things that have happened. And"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "inevitably, I think I need to go back as"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "well. I I'd spoken to two of the coaches"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "and they said, \"You got to go three"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "times.\" and like after three times you"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "get the full sort of like ingrained"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "experience and uh entrainment if you"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "will. So I definitely I definitely want"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "to end up going back. I know they just"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "had their second creator gateway. I was"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "part of the original. Right. Thank you."}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "You know yeah creator gateway and uh I'm"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "I'm so glad and I heard some stories"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "already. Uh it's it's just such a"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "magical experience. I can't wait to talk"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "to you post Monroe. You know I'll let"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "you come down and get your get your"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "grounding in."}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "But after that, I would love to have"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "that conversation with you."}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "Yeah. And and thanks for doing that. You"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "know, that was a wonderful initiative"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "and it's worked out really, really well."}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad it continues"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "to work out well. And I think that you"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "know, many of the creators that even um"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "you know, we had Michael Phillip. I"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "don't know if you're familiar with"}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "Michael Phillip. He has Third Eye Drops"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "a podcast."}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "Yes. I just don't think of his last"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "name. And I've been talking with him"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "about appearing on his podcast and we"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "were talking together at contact in the"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "desert."}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "He's phenomenal. uh he as well ex you"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "know expressed some interest in wanting"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "to go there and I said dude let me let"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "me hook you up you have an audience"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "they'll take care of you because that's"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "what they want to do they want to spread"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "the word right so I'm very transparent"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "about that I'm like"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "I'll I'll jump on the bandwagon to"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "encourage him to do that he's a great"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "guy"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "he did it"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "oh he did it okay"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "and not only did he do it he had an"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "out-of- body experience fantastic at"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "Monroe which is very which is not common"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "you know maybe 10% 5 10% of people have"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "that happen there"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "well if you're the third eye drops I can"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "see that happening"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "he had a very strong intention and he"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "yeah He left his body. He had a really"}, {"end": "00:43:07", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "Awesome."}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "Yeah. And I'm trying to get Jesse there"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "now. He's had some hiccups because of"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "things that have happened in scheduling,"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "but he's trying to get there. Um so any"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "creator that I can encourage to go"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "there, I think is great because it helps"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "spread the word. And if I don't want to"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "hijack this whole podcast here, but if"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "you know, everybody experiences I think"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "what I experienced at least, I think the"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "world would become a better place. I"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "really do think that. So uh yeah. Okay."}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "Enough about enough about Monroe. Monroe"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "baby. we've given them their their due"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "here on this podcast. I feel uh I want"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "to I want to move on into some other"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "territory now. Um you're very vocal"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "about uh your use and experimentation"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "and study of dimethylryptoamine"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "in a way that"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "might be a little alarming to some"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "people and off-putting because it you"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "know we are talking about uh a drug you"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "know not a drug in you know all senses"}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "of the word but in the legal sense"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "um and it is you know I've had I've had"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "my experiences with it, one experience"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "with it, uh, which was okay. I know that"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "it wasn't a full-fledged experience,"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "but what brought you into this? Why have"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "you been interested in it? And how can"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "you relate this to everything else we've"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "talked about?"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "Well, okay, that's an easy one to"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "unpack, Chris. That's a softball. Um,"}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "I may or may not have done a shitload of"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "drugs in my younger days. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "you know, back then it's the 70s and"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "drugs are prevalent and it's just"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "boredom and we're just messing around."}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "No, the only intention is to get messed"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "up. So, I gave them up right about the"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "time I was in college um because I just"}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "realized I prefer clarity over"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "distortion."}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "So years ago now, I'm with a friend who"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "crash landed tardigrades on the moon,"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "which is just such a great claim to"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "fame. And he asked me, \"Hey Paul, where"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "do your dad think UFOs came from?\" And I"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "said, \"Well, you know, he's very"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "comfortable speaking about the weight of"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "the evidence suggesting a"}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "metataterrestrial phenomena, but where"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "they come from, who knows?"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:19", "text": "Extraterrestrial feels a little bit"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "sloppy. Maybe even time travel or"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "interdimensional.\" He goes, \"Oh, you"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "should read a book called Alien"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "Information Theory.\" Said, \"Alien"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "Information Theory? That's quite"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "possibly the sexiest book title ever."}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "What's it about?\""}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "Other than Close Encounters of the Third"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "Kind."}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "Thank you. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "that's actually a movie title."}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "Yeah. UFO Experience. So, I said,"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "\"What's it about?\" He goes, \"DMT.\" I'm"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "like, \"Yeah, I'm drawing a blank.\" He"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "looks at me like, \"Oh, you're the kind"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "of guy that should I don't.\" Okay. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "DMT, it's, you know, IA. that's the most"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "potent psychedelic known to man. I'm"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "like, okay, uh,"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "connect this this land bridge for me."}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "and he says, 'Well, the author, Andrew"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "Gallmore, shout out Andrew, um, talks"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "about how he thinks it's not a drug, and"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "you're very careful to sort of tease out"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "that nuance, but that it's really a"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "plant medicine technology and that"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "possibly the experiences that users have"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "under the influence of this powerful"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "psychedelic are not hallucinatory, but"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "are revoly, are showing you a very real"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "universe that's there all the time. like"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "okay"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "my father and Jacques and many others"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "think there may be an interdimensional"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "aspect to UFOs"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "here is a gateway"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "perhaps to another dimension"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "okay that's that's interesting I kind of"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "retired that side of myself but okay now"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "there's a purpose there's a meaning"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "there's an intention"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "so I meet another guy in that same"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "restaurant a couple hours later Someone"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "had said, \"Hey, go talk to Paul. He can"}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "help you get your movie made.\" Cuz I"}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "worked in Hollywood. And um I talked him"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "out of doing the movie. And he's talking"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "about what he does. I Well, I do breath"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "work and I facilitate DMT sessions. I'm"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "like, \"Oh, can I talk about that?\" He"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "says, \"Well, I guess we're supposed to.\""}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "And so"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "I felt like I was doubletapped by DMT in"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "the same day. And I think DMT is"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "is a remarkable substance"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "because I think it does kind of like"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "what Monroe does. It"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "there's no sense of time and it pierces"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "the veil into this world, into this"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "dimension, in this realm, whatever you"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "want to call it. And so,"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "but it does so unwillingly."}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "I would say more that it's not what you"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "want, but what you need"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "because I have this boundless feeling of"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "love and gratitude for this."}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "So, I'm like, cool. Wow. Okay, you got"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "my attention. So, I started I read Alien"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "Information Theory. Fantastic book. I"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "read The Spirit Molecule by Rick Stman."}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "And I'm ready. So two weeks later, my"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "friend Curtis comes over and I have the"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "archetypal breakthrough on Chonga, one"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "form of DMT. And I feel transported to"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "the other end of the universe. And yet I"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "felt I was home."}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "I saw not really incarnate, but these"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "denisens of the universe as I the fabric"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "of the universe is they're creating more"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "universe. and I'm watching this and um I"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "said,"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "\"Excuse me, because they're pretty busy."}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "Are are you what we perceive to be"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "aliens and UFOs?\""}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "Because that was my mission. I'm taking"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "one for science here, Chris."}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "And the answer was like trillions of"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "miles of neurons and synapses firing and"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "it comes bubbling down. We can't explain"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "in a way that you would understand."}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "Mhm. And it wasn't condescending or"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "deflective. It was like an ant asking"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "how a Chevrolet transmission works."}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "You're just not going to be able to"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "understand. And I thought, well, that's"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "not no. And if there is this connection"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "between these entities that I think I'm"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "seeing in DMT and aliens, yeah, I could"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "see how that's beyond my ability to"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "comprehend. I'm like, bam, already I've"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "got something. I don't they have the"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "complete elixir to take back to the"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "village, but I think I know where I may"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "be able to find the elixir for that"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "Joseph Campbell voyage. And I come out"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "of it and a friend of mine had done it"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "also. Now, I'd read Spirit Molecule and"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "Alien Information theory. So, you could"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "say I've been tainted or primed by sort"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:47", "text": "of quintessential voyages,"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "but my friend did the same time and we"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "asked him and he'd never heard of DMT"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "before that day. And we asked him what"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "he saw. He saw the same thing I did."}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "But from the outside point of view where"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "I just went leapt head first right into"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "it. Right."}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "So I thought that's interesting. Now"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "again it could just be it's the same"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "chemical has a very peculiarly specific"}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "implementation. Sure."}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "But that was interesting. So then um my"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "friend said you want to do it again?"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "Hell yeah. I did it again that night and"}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "this time it lasted 45 minutes. Not the"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "typical businessman's high."}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "No. I wasn't transported out, but I felt"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "similar to Iawaska this"}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "wave upon wave of healing. And I was"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "listening to a song called Devi Prayer,"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:33", "text": "which I've only heard during DMT. And I"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "cannot hear unless I'm doing DMT and"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "which hits hard. It's 21 minutes and it"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "is the the"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "So what would happen if we played it"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "right now?"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "I'll run out. Literally, I will run. I"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "can't hear it."}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "You will run out."}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "I'll freak out. I will run out."}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "Run out where?"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "Outside where I can't hear it. Really?"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "Yes, I will."}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "That's incredible."}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "Yeah, I can't."}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "So, just hoping it this 21minute song"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "doesn't come on the radio randomly while"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "you're driving."}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "And it luckily it's not the kind that"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "comes on the radio often. A friend of"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "mine played with me at Conc Live X. I"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "had to run out of the room."}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "No way."}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "Yeah. So, and I'm listening to this"}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "music was hauntingly beautiful and I'm"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "living between the beats of music,"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "between grief and gratitude and just"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "feeling this loving spirit cleansing me"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "of emotional sludge and trauma. Two"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "weeks later, I do it again. And oh, and"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "I told my friend Curtis that, hey, it"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "feels like it gave me what I needed. And"}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "he said, not what you wanted. That's"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "what the guides told me. Like, oh man,"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:29", "text": "this is And I'm crying because it's so"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "I've touched the divine. And the I I saw"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "the universe doing its business. It"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "stopped"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "and it welcomed me. Two weeks later, I"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "do it again."}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "Welcome back, Paul. Let's resume where"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "we left off last time. and it started"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "healing me again."}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "Right to right where you left off."}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "The universe remembered me by name and"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "had notes from our last appointment."}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "How kind."}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "So, it's this love and you know"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "to me I've had people say all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "things at UFO conferences like, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "Paul, man, we're talking about real"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "like UFOs. Why you got to get weird and"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "talk about DMT and Bitcoin?\""}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "I've had people say, \"Hey, I can get the"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "same place with meditation.\" I don't"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "know where you go with meditation. You"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "don't know where I go with DMT. And it's"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "not just DMT"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "giving me access. DMT is bringing a"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "little something to the table."}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "And I became fascinated with it as a a"}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "really a bonafide interest of mine to"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "not only experience that love, but now I"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "facilitate as a technos shaman. I"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "facilitate for people. I've had"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "wonderful experiences that I've seen."}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "Mh."}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "But it's endlessly fascinating. It feels"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "more real than here. Not to devalue what"}, {"end": "00:52:52", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "we experience here."}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "There's a surreal nature to it."}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:52", "text": "Yeah. And now I start to get the DMT"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "stutter where you're trying to describe"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "Yeah. And I I understand that. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "I've had my uh bouts with uh you know,"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "hallucinogenic sort of uh molecules, if"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "you will, or uh concoctions uh in in my"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "youth. And yeah, there is something of a"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "surreal nature almost not unlike"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "describing a dream where"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "you know things just tend to make sense"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "while you're in it and as soon as you're"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "out of it making sense of it here just"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "doesn't hold up. Uh and again you're"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "trying to convey this idea of the"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "impossible uh in in a tangible way like"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "um the flatlands Bob sort of analogy"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "where you know the the two-dimensional"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "shape uh tries to explain what 3D is to"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "the other 2D people and they're just"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "like what is up what is down you know."}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "Yeah, that's a good analogy and it's"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "kind of like to put it in your puzzling"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "terms um"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "a secret key to an invisible lock."}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "Um that's available to all of us. And it"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "it feels to me and I think the same"}, {"end": "00:54:01", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "thing with AI and Bitcoin, they feel"}, {"end": "00:54:04", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "like Easter eggs that have been left"}, {"end": "00:54:06", "start": "00:54:01", "text": "here. So,"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:04", "text": "you know, you've had our mutual friend"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:06", "text": "Danny Shien and others on here talking"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "about disclosure. So, you know, Danny"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "and Steve Basset, Richard Dolan, many"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "others are fighting a good fight in the"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "trenches for disclosure. Okay. So, what"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "can I do? Well, I'm working more on what"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "I call exposure. So, disclosure is what"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "they do. Exposure is what we do. And"}, {"end": "00:54:33", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "maybe disclosure or contact, it may come"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "through an embassy. It may come through"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:33", "text": "the saucer landing on the lawn of the"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "White House, but it may come from three"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "deep breaths and a molecule that's"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "already in your body."}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "You know, there's the Iwasa puzzle."}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "It's, you know, imagine walking along"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "along thousands of years ago and looking"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "at an artich choke and saying, \"Oh, that"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "looks like food.\" I mean, somebody had"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "to tinker with those things. Ia is two"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "very unrelated plants mixed together in"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "a very specific way. So, sure, we've had"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "generations and generations of tinkering"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "and trial and error, but still, it's a"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "little hard to understand how they came"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "up with that exact combination."}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "DMT is also the only psychedelic that's"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "endogenous. It's in your body. There's"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "no known metabolic necessity. So, it's"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "kind of a rare biological extravagance"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "to have this thing in here. And we don't"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "exactly know where it's from either,"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "like where it gets. We have speculative,"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "you know, ideas about the pineal gland"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "or whatever it may be, but we're not"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "sure about any of that."}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "We know it's in the body, but we don't"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "really know where or how."}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "And it's also and what why"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "and it's also in hundreds of plants. Why"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "is this psychedelic cursing throughout"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "the natural kingdom?"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "So to me, what I'm playing with and I"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "don't have any answers. I have slightly"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "better questions than I did before."}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "Can I in a sort of so Andrew Gallamore"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "who wrote alien information theory at"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "contact in the desert two years ago I"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "pitched hey why don't he and I do a"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "joint presentation UFOs and DMT together"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "at last and we did we become very good"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "friends now so we're working on several"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "investigations and I love his approach"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "that perhaps"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "the so I have this feeling now and we've"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "talked a little bit my ideas about"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "anformational conscious universe a"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "little bit of pans psychism a little bit"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "more pan computation ism that there is"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "sort of a primordial pre-organic life"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "readiness potential substrate out there"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "and that if we do have a future that's"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "post-biological which for good and or"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "bad I think is likely it may not be if"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "we navigate it the right way and frankly"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "I'm more concerned about the present of"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "human stupidity than the future of"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "artificial intelligence we may not make"}, {"end": "00:56:48", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "it till the computers take over but I'm"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "more of the Ray Kerszswwell oil school"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:48", "text": "that it's not going to be Skynet waking"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "up with a digital chip on its shoulder"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "coming after us. See, it's Skynet right"}, {"end": "00:56:58", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "there."}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "It's more of a us adopting more and more"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:56:58", "text": "sheen capabilities. So, we may have a"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "post-biological future. I think alien"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "civilizations, well, to me, it's"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "improbable"}, {"end": "00:57:12", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "that extraterrestrials on another planet"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "endure the rigors of interstellar space"}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:12", "text": "travel, come here, and crash. Now,"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "there's people have theories for why"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "that happens, but it just doesn't seem"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "plausible to me that they would exhibit"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "flight characteristics that look to be"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "like a hundred years past us or 200"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "By all odds, they would be millions of"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "years, maybe billions of years more"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "advanced than us. And so, I think aliens"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "have had their own type of singularity"}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "when humans and AI merged. And they are,"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "for all intents and purpose, digital."}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "And to me, it feels like DMT entities"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "are billions of years more advanced than"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "us. They're here. They're everywhere."}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "So, it's not so much about seeing"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "something in the sky and talking with"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "them. It's not so much about us waiting"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "for them, it's them waiting for us."}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "They've given us the key. And once we"}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "start to unlock it and use it"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:02", "text": "responsibly,"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "we may well have opened these channels"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "of communication that others do like"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "with Monroe and other ways to do that."}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "Sure. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "And so that's what's fascinating to me"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "because this is an area that I can work"}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "in to try to build upon the legacy my"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "father left of this solid foundation of"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "scientific legitimacy and classification"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "for this very strange phenomena. And"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "while others fight the good fight on the"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "government front, okay, uh, Galmore and"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "I and others will go around on here and"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "see what we can find there. And maybe"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "that's the endound to the source"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "decentralized without any middlemen and"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "without relying on anybody to dole out"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "information over time,"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "right? How would you reconcile if you"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "had come face to face with a crash"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "saucer and physical beings on the"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "inside? How would you reconcile those"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "two notions? Would you would one negate"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "the other or would you just be like,"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "\"Well, still all for it. If you know"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "where one is, take me there.\" Um, I I"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "one of my passions is to help"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "experiencers of all kinds, UFOs, DMT,"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "ghosts, what have you, should they"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "desire"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "to demonstrate, not prove, but"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "demonstrate the objective reality of"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "their encounters."}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "Now, a lot of people don't care. They"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "say, you know, truth isn't my thing."}, {"end": "00:59:33", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "It's valid. It's important or I don't"}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "care what science says. Fine. But a lot"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:33", "text": "of people would like that. And if you"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "are someone who has received a message"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "from an entity or entities that's of"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "importance to the earth, I can help you"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "amplify that."}, {"end": "00:59:48", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "So I've developed proof protocols. So my"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:48", "text": "father developed close encounters of the"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "first, second, third kind. And they"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "speak to the nature of the encounter. So"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "my brother Joel and I have worked on"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "something we call verifiable evidence"}, {"end": "01:00:02", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "that talks about what is the evidence"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "itself like and how compelling is that"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:02", "text": "and some protocols and categories for"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "people you know you don't often control"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "these experiences as you know but"}, {"end": "01:00:16", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "sometimes you can influence them and if"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "you have a priority this notion of"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:16", "text": "here's what I'd like to get this type of"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "information you might be more able to"}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "come back with information that can be"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "verified by a third party. Now, these"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "are very challenging experiences, right?"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "But, you know, there's a guy named Marco"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "Rodriguez who's come up with a protocol"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "for a DMT. You ask a very difficult"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "mathematical question and you come back"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "with the answer or I ask the question"}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "and then you go in and you come back"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "with the answer."}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "Right?"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "So, because I grew up one foot in"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "science, one foot in fringy science, I'm"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "comfortable with scientists. Michael"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "Shurmer, Seth Shawstack and others. And"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "this is the language of science."}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "Verifiable, mathematical, unambiguous."}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "Now, these experiences don't always"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "distill down to that, but some of them"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "can."}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "So, I want to help experiencers if"}, {"end": "01:01:10", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "they're interested in this, say, here's"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "the language that science talks. And I"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:10", "text": "know you feel that they keep moving the"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "goalpost on us. But if we look at it"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "from this lens and try to the extent we"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "can to nudge the experience that way or"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "for you to more be more conscious of"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "that aspect of the experience, maybe we"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "can come back with something"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "that is verifiable. And if that's the"}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "case, I could go to Michael Sherman and"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "say, \"Hey, Michael,"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "is this conform with the protocols at"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "least?\" Yes. And he's not going to say,"}, {"end": "01:01:44", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "\"Oh, you've proved alien life.\" Or let's"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "say, you know, there are seven unsolved"}, {"end": "01:01:47", "start": "01:01:44", "text": "mathematical problems that the"}, {"end": "01:01:49", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "Millennium Institute will give a million"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:47", "text": "dollars for anyone to solve. P versus"}, {"end": "01:01:54", "start": "01:01:49", "text": "nonpayman hypothesis, etc. Now, the"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "challenge with these, it's not just like"}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:54", "text": "one equation. It's probably 20 pages of"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "equations. But if I could solve one of"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "these or if I work with an experiencer"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "and find like a proof or partial proof"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "of one of these, take that to Michael"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "Shurmer, he's not going to say, \"Okay, I"}, {"end": "01:02:13", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "believe in aliens.\" He's going to say,"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "\"Okay, someone, I don't know who, has"}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:13", "text": "given a solution that nobody has ever"}, {"end": "01:02:18", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "done before. I want to know more about"}, {"end": "01:02:21", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "this.\" And he'll lean in. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:18", "text": "So, do more proof protocols. Okay. Now,"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:21", "text": "I want to come and watch it."}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "And he comes and watch one. I said, \"I"}, {"end": "01:02:27", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "need to see 10 more before I go on CNN.\""}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:27", "text": "But at some point, they will. And so,"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "what I think is I don't care what the US"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "government says. I don't give a rat's"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "ass what they say or do. They've"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:35", "text": "squandered their leadership position in"}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "my view. For me, we move the needle"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "forward by experiencers having more"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "productive conversations with scientists"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "and that's how we go forward and that's"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "why I call exposure."}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "Yeah, I'm I'm all for that as well and"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "I'm very vocal about the fact that if"}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "you want to know also what the inside of"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "a UFO looks like, you know, we you could"}, {"end": "01:02:58", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "interview people like Bob Lazar and you"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "could, you know, look look down the road"}, {"end": "01:03:02", "start": "01:02:58", "text": "of these whistleblowers, but there's"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "always a caveat there. They're always"}, {"end": "01:03:05", "start": "01:03:02", "text": "they're always they've worked with the"}, {"end": "01:03:08", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "government. there's uh reason to hide"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:05", "text": "things, but experiencers, I mean, they"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:08", "text": "can tell you what the beings were"}, {"end": "01:03:13", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "wearing, what they smelt like, what they"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "felt like, what they thought, you know,"}, {"end": "01:03:17", "start": "01:03:13", "text": "and these really really uh sort of"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "granular elements that you would never"}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:17", "text": "get through, you know, official"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "channels. Um, you might have access"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "direct access to contact through them,"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "which I think is really um really"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "interesting. Did you um"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "even when you say official channels that"}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "sounds so limiting in my mind?"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "It doesn't sound privileged. It just"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "sounds censored."}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "Yes, it does. And I am reluctant you"}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "know when I have people come to me and"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "say because there have been people that"}, {"end": "01:03:51", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "have reached out to me and say hey you"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "know if you can protect me I have this"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:51", "text": "information and I am a YouTuber. Okay."}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "So I am like as much as you know um"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "people are out there being like oh you"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "know you're doing conducting actual"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "investigations as this is just a place"}, {"end": "01:04:09", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "to facilitate conversation in a"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "judge-free environment by entertaining"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:09", "text": "people and fulfilling my creative needs."}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "That is what this is. You know I don't I"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "don't sugarcoat that and I don't pretend"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "it's something it isn't. Um but that"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:17", "text": "being said I don't know where to send"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "these people. That's the other thing."}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "And now yeah now maybe I do. Uh because"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "you know prior to that it's like oh"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "where do you where do you go with this?"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "It's like I I don't know. I'm not going"}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "to send you to Congress. I don't trust"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "that um you'll be safe."}, {"end": "01:04:37", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "Um you know and and I I don't know who"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "to call, you know, and if you're ready"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:37", "text": "to have the conversation and and I'm"}, {"end": "01:04:45", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "happy to host that conversation, but if"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "it's you know some type of I don't know"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:45", "text": "I don't know. I'm just I just don't know"}, {"end": "01:04:51", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "where to send people a lot of the times."}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "And you know, we used to have people"}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:51", "text": "like John Mack or Bud Hopkins or even"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "David Jacobs um or John Carpenter like"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "uh even even I mean even Lyn Molten now"}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "you know who was you know in the"}, {"end": "01:05:05", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "trenches for so many years"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "uh and people also like your father who"}, {"end": "01:05:11", "start": "01:05:05", "text": "were who were there for that and I feel"}, {"end": "01:05:14", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "like more and more"}, {"end": "01:05:16", "start": "01:05:11", "text": "that isn't available."}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:14", "text": "I mean, podcasts are available, but"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:16", "text": "podcasts are podcasts. You know, these"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "are public conversations. They're not"}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "private. They're not being studied."}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "They're not um But yeah, it feels like"}, {"end": "01:05:28", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "we're we're missing that element. And"}, {"end": "01:05:30", "start": "01:05:26", "text": "so, I'm glad to hear that you're uh"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:28", "text": "putting putting some foot forward for"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:30", "text": "that."}, {"end": "01:05:37", "start": "01:05:31", "text": "Yeah. And I'll say I'm not everyone's"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "cup of tea because, you know, I've heard"}, {"end": "01:05:41", "start": "01:05:37", "text": "UFO accounts my whole life."}, {"end": "01:05:43", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "Sure."}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:41", "text": "So, but what I'm interested in is a very"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:43", "text": "narrow lens of demonstrating objective"}, {"end": "01:05:52", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "reality. So, if you have and I've had"}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "people approach me with"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:52", "text": "a dizzing variety of proof protocols"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "from the very interesting to I would say"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "the less interesting from a scientific"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "point of view. But of course, there's"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "also the JN Heinik Center for UVO"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "studies. There's muon. There's new fork."}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "There are places, you know, garden"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "variety existing clearing house places"}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:11", "text": "for UFO reports."}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "Yes. But the UFO reports just end up in"}, {"end": "01:06:19", "start": "01:06:15", "text": "and this is no offense to any of those"}, {"end": "01:06:22", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "uh institutions because I think they're"}, {"end": "01:06:24", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "great and they they're necessary, but"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:22", "text": "they do ended up just being sort of"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:24", "text": "cataloged and like put in a bin."}, {"end": "01:06:29", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "There's still value for that because you"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "can there is you can tease patterns out"}, {"end": "01:06:31", "start": "01:06:29", "text": "and there are a lot of very good"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "investigators."}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:31", "text": "Yes. that that will doggedly track down"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "cases."}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "Yes, there are that is still available."}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "It's just I I feel like the and and this"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "might just be my own sentiment, but I do"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:42", "text": "feel like it's echoed by some people. I"}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "I feel like as we move forward in this"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "conversation, it grows more and more"}, {"end": "01:06:52", "start": "01:06:48", "text": "complex with layers of individuals"}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "involving themselves into the"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:52", "text": "conversation. um you know, people are a"}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "little more reluctant to trust an"}, {"end": "01:07:02", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "organization or a person or a party uh"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:07:00", "text": "with some of that information and and"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:02", "text": "rightfully so because of not only"}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "ridicule but because of actual you know"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "dangers potentially to their own you"}, {"end": "01:07:12", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "know well-being. Um, you know, and"}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "that's that's just something that uh"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:12", "text": "it's such a touchy"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "subject that's filled with like all"}, {"end": "01:07:21", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "sorts of unknown variables and you know,"}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "but imagine so you have what may well be"}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:21", "text": "the most traumatic experience of your"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:23", "text": "life, whether it objectively occurred or"}, {"end": "01:07:28", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "not. Let's say you're convinced of it."}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:28", "text": "Is your first instinct to tell your"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "family, your friends, and call some"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "group that you may have never heard"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "about."}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "Mhm. How long would it take you to"}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "realize that you're not dying? First of"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "all, that you may not have radiation,"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "that you still have some shred of sanity"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "left to you. Is this going to happen"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "again tonight? All these things that"}, {"end": "01:07:58", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "you're worried about, just basic"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "survival concerns."}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:58", "text": "Then what will happen if I tell my"}, {"end": "01:08:03", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "family?"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "Sure."}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:08:03", "text": "Doesn't always go well."}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:08:09", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "Spoiler alert. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "Or if I call this group, what good will"}, {"end": "01:08:14", "start": "01:08:09", "text": "that do me? Do I want to relive it? Do I"}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "want to retestify? That's true."}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:14", "text": "And they're going to want a lot of"}, {"end": "01:08:20", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "details. Am I ready to relive that"}, {"end": "01:08:25", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "experience?"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:20", "text": "So, you know, I I don't know, but for"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:25", "text": "every case that's reported, there have"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "to be 10 20 that are not for a whole lot"}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "of valid reasons."}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "I would agree with that. Um, how going"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "back to your father, how did he deal"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "with a lot of that on a personal level?"}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "Because it takes a toll. I've noticed"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "even from my interactions with"}, {"end": "01:08:48", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "experiencers and as limited as that is"}, {"end": "01:08:50", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "and was, um, it takes a toll on me"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:48", "text": "emotionally as well because you can't"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:50", "text": "help but put yourself in that position"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "of like you said, vulnerability,"}, {"end": "01:08:59", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "uncertainty, and a lot of cases"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "incredibly traumatic. And so, you know,"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:08:59", "text": "your heart goes out to these people to a"}, {"end": "01:09:06", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "certain extent. How was your father with"}, {"end": "01:09:08", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "that? How did he deal with that as"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "someone with more of like an academic"}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:08", "text": "background and less of like you said"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "like a soft sciences approach? Like how"}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:11", "text": "how would he deal with that?"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "I think he did really well. Um"}, {"end": "01:09:20", "start": "01:09:16", "text": "when I was old enough to realize what's"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "going on, he'd been at it for some time,"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:20", "text": "you know, 20 years."}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "So he'd had time to sort of acclimate"}, {"end": "01:09:29", "start": "01:09:24", "text": "and get his, you know, his sea legs. And"}, {"end": "01:09:33", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "I I think he was just a very empathetic"}, {"end": "01:09:34", "start": "01:09:29", "text": "man who more than anything else, here's"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:33", "text": "an individual who's gone through some"}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:34", "text": "trauma, real or not,"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "this is a traumatized individual. He'd"}, {"end": "01:09:43", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "often talk to them in the immediate"}, {"end": "01:09:44", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "aftermath of an event. Well, you know,"}, {"end": "01:09:46", "start": "01:09:43", "text": "they've not had a chance to process"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:44", "text": "anything and they're still worried, are"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:46", "text": "they coming again, etc. And so just"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "dealing with that trauma all the time,"}, {"end": "01:09:57", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "you know, I I haven't really thought"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "about it the way you just pointed out"}, {"end": "01:10:01", "start": "01:09:57", "text": "what kind of impact that would have on"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "him because I always saw him as"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:01", "text": "stoic,"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "confident and boisterous and active"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "focused, but he must have had moments"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "and I'm sure a lot with Jacques and"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "Paula Harris and other confidants and my"}, {"end": "01:10:18", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "mom,"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "you know, frustrations with the US"}, {"end": "01:10:26", "start": "01:10:18", "text": "government. Um, frustration at not, you"}, {"end": "01:10:29", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "know, untying this Gordian knot and just"}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:26", "text": "the accumulated weight of all these"}, {"end": "01:10:33", "start": "01:10:29", "text": "traumatic"}, {"end": "01:10:37", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "confessions."}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:33", "text": "Uh, yeah, it must have taken a toll. Um,"}, {"end": "01:10:40", "start": "01:10:37", "text": "and sure, a lot of that, you know, he I"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "mentioned the credibility of the"}, {"end": "01:10:45", "start": "01:10:40", "text": "witness, but he saw so many witnesses"}, {"end": "01:10:47", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "that were so credible. Calvin Parker and"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:45", "text": "Charlie Hixon, Father Gil, Travis"}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:47", "text": "Walton, so many of these people who you"}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:51", "text": "just sit down with and you can tell"}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "they are not lying. And you know, my"}, {"end": "01:10:59", "start": "01:10:56", "text": "father was asked"}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "about the Pasco Gula case, Charlie"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:10:59", "text": "Parker and Calvin Hixon. Calvin Parker,"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "Charlie Hixon in 1973 in Pascula,"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "Mississippi. And I remember taking the"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "call from Calvin Parker,"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "good friend of mine. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "What do you mean you took the call?"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "I The phone rang in my house. So, I'm"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:13", "text": "outside playing kickball and there's"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "this guy with a southern draw talking"}, {"end": "01:11:20", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "about Pascula and seeing something in"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "the sky"}, {"end": "01:11:25", "start": "01:11:20", "text": "and okay, this is just a Tuesday. Um,"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "and I met Calvin much later in life and"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:25", "text": "his wife and we became good friends and"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "you know, rest his soul. Um, and that"}, {"end": "01:11:35", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "was a particularly good case and Philip"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "Mantel has been very good at at bringing"}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:35", "text": "forth more and more evidence. There have"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:36", "text": "been a lot of witnesses that have come"}, {"end": "01:11:42", "start": "01:11:38", "text": "in the subsequent years to corroborate"}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "more and more aspects of the case. So,"}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:42", "text": "it gets stronger over time, which is not"}, {"end": "01:11:50", "start": "01:11:44", "text": "usual. And one of the aspects of the"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:47", "text": "case, I'm sure you know, is that Calvin"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:50", "text": "Parker and Charlie Hixon, they're their"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "young doc workers. And I think the event"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "happened on a Friday and on Saturday"}, {"end": "01:12:02", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "they're literally being interrogated in"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "the police station. And the police"}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:02", "text": "sergeant, whoever it is, leaves the room"}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "and there's a recorder, story goes, was"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:07", "text": "inadvertently left on. And so Charlie"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:10", "text": "and Calvin are just talking amongst"}, {"end": "01:12:16", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "themselves. Now these are not Hollywood"}, {"end": "01:12:20", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "actors. No, they're are young men in a"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:16", "text": "trauma and they seem to be very"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:20", "text": "consistent. And that's just one more"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "piece of data. My father very much liked"}, {"end": "01:12:28", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "the case, but somebody asked him, Dr."}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "Heinick, did this case happen? How the"}, {"end": "01:12:32", "start": "01:12:28", "text": "hell should I know? I wasn't there, but"}, {"end": "01:12:33", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "I believe the witnesses believe it"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "happened,"}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:33", "text": "which is as far as a scientist would go."}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:36", "text": "And so, and what Calvin told me, which I"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "didn't know, was 7:30 in the morning,"}, {"end": "01:12:47", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "that next Monday morning, they go back"}, {"end": "01:12:51", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "to work and my father is waiting in the"}, {"end": "01:12:54", "start": "01:12:47", "text": "HR office at the shipyard in Pascula,"}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:51", "text": "Mississippi. Wow. That morning, I didn't"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:54", "text": "know. And he must have been down in the"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "region for some kind of business to get"}, {"end": "01:13:02", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "there that fast from Chicago."}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:12:59", "text": "But so, he saw them in this aftermath."}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:02", "text": "And I think talking to all these people"}, {"end": "01:13:10", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "who are just coming to grips with this"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "had to take a toll on him. And part of"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:10", "text": "that was pushing him along that spectrum"}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "of like these credible witnesses, air"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "force pilots who are trained by the same"}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "air force who's trying to debunk the"}, {"end": "01:13:24", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "whole thing. All these people coming"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "forth, many of them nothing to gain,"}, {"end": "01:13:30", "start": "01:13:24", "text": "very intelligent, not embellishing, able"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "to do like in Father Gil's case,"}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:30", "text": "trigonometric calculations at the time"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "of the sighting to determine the"}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "distance and the size. These witnesses"}, {"end": "01:13:43", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "have had experiences. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "And so part of the impact on him was"}, {"end": "01:13:47", "start": "01:13:43", "text": "making him say, \"Yes, there's clearly"}, {"end": "01:13:49", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "something going on.\" And I think it just"}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:47", "text": "must have"}, {"end": "01:13:54", "start": "01:13:49", "text": "converted him from a nuts andbolts"}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "astrophysicist into an airsoft"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:54", "text": "psychologist almost overnight."}, {"end": "01:14:01", "start": "01:13:56", "text": "Wow. Yeah. And especially with some of"}, {"end": "01:14:04", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "those stronger cases, being able to"}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:01", "text": "speak directly with the witnesses such"}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:04", "text": "in such a short time after it happened."}, {"end": "01:14:12", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "Also, you know, as anyone knows in an"}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "investigation is absolutely paramount."}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:12", "text": "you have to, you know, as soon as"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "possible because memory, you know, gets"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "altered. It changes for a variety of"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "reasons."}, {"end": "01:14:21", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "Or your willingness to come forward will"}, {"end": "01:14:22", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "change."}, {"end": "01:14:24", "start": "01:14:21", "text": "Yeah. Everything changes."}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:22", "text": "Or Men in Black. My father encountered"}, {"end": "01:14:29", "start": "01:14:24", "text": "what are now known as Men in Black,"}, {"end": "01:14:31", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "which to me, I think, and I've heard a"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:29", "text": "lot of theories. I think they may have"}, {"end": "01:14:34", "start": "01:14:31", "text": "been part of the Air Intelligence"}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "Service Squadron."}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:34", "text": "What was one instance of your father"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "encountering the Men in Black that you"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "remember? As I remember, it's hard to"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "keep all these stories separate, but he"}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "was leaving a case and he saw a white"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "sedan pull up with two guys in dark"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "clothes and when he next talked to the"}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "witness, they wouldn't talk anymore."}, {"end": "01:14:54", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "What case was this? Do you remember?"}, {"end": "01:14:56", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "I don't remember what case it was."}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:54", "text": "And that was just one instance."}, {"end": "01:15:00", "start": "01:14:56", "text": "That was one instance. And to me, it's"}, {"end": "01:15:01", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "part and parcel. So, I think it was the"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:15:00", "text": "Air Intelligence Service Squadron whose"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:01", "text": "responsibility was to respond to any"}, {"end": "01:15:07", "start": "01:15:03", "text": "crash of any craft, terrestrial or"}, {"end": "01:15:09", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "extraterrestrial, within 6 hours in the"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:07", "text": "continental United States. They had"}, {"end": "01:15:15", "start": "01:15:09", "text": "Russian speakers as well. And I think"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "their mission was to retrieve anything"}, {"end": "01:15:19", "start": "01:15:15", "text": "that landed, any sensitive materials,"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "but I think part of that mission was"}, {"end": "01:15:25", "start": "01:15:19", "text": "also to contain information fallout."}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "So it would have been on them to go to a"}, {"end": "01:15:30", "start": "01:15:25", "text": "case and make sure that that information"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "is not spreading. It could just be for"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:30", "text": "garden variety national security"}, {"end": "01:15:37", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "concerns. But it's an example of how we"}, {"end": "01:15:40", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "tend to think of the US government as"}, {"end": "01:15:42", "start": "01:15:37", "text": "this one monolithic block acting in"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:40", "text": "cohesion and nothing is further from the"}, {"end": "01:15:46", "start": "01:15:42", "text": "truth. There are very intense turf"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "battles. Y"}, {"end": "01:15:49", "start": "01:15:46", "text": "and so Project Blue Book's going out"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "there and my father is frustrated"}, {"end": "01:15:53", "start": "01:15:49", "text": "because he's not getting all the"}, {"end": "01:15:55", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "information. There's clearly at least"}, {"end": "01:15:58", "start": "01:15:53", "text": "one government agency working at cross"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:55", "text": "purposes and then even within an agency"}, {"end": "01:16:00", "start": "01:15:58", "text": "you have different people doing"}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "different things."}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:16:00", "text": "Yeah. There's obiscation. And there's"}, {"end": "01:16:05", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "all all types of"}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "um players in involved in the game with"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:05", "text": "different agendas uh both within the"}, {"end": "01:16:12", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "government and possibly you know uh"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "outside of the government that seem like"}, {"end": "01:16:17", "start": "01:16:12", "text": "the government is something we hear a"}, {"end": "01:16:21", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "lot about as well. Do you think your"}, {"end": "01:16:25", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "father in your opinion ever saw"}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:21", "text": "information that made him absolutely"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:25", "text": "believe"}, {"end": "01:16:29", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "that UFOs are real?"}, {"end": "01:16:32", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "No."}, {"end": "01:16:34", "start": "01:16:29", "text": "You don't think so? He had two sightings"}, {"end": "01:16:35", "start": "01:16:32", "text": "um that I know of."}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:34", "text": "They're just sightings of something in"}, {"end": "01:16:40", "start": "01:16:35", "text": "the sky. What he would call a daylight"}, {"end": "01:16:42", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "disc, not even to the level of a of a"}, {"end": "01:16:46", "start": "01:16:40", "text": "close encounter, the first kind, which"}, {"end": "01:16:52", "start": "01:16:42", "text": "is roughly within 500 ft. Um and there"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:46", "text": "were no deathbed confessions. Um,"}, {"end": "01:16:56", "start": "01:16:52", "text": "and I think also"}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "he would have loved to see something,"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:16:56", "text": "but also he saw value in his position as"}, {"end": "01:17:07", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "an impartial arbiter, sort of a monitor"}, {"end": "01:17:09", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "of the noise level. It's not so much"}, {"end": "01:17:12", "start": "01:17:07", "text": "I've seen something. I know this is"}, {"end": "01:17:14", "start": "01:17:09", "text": "real, but look at the weight of the"}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:12", "text": "data. Project Blue Book, for example,"}, {"end": "01:17:21", "start": "01:17:14", "text": "nonserious scientific effort, officially"}, {"end": "01:17:24", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "investigated about 12,000 odd cases. Of"}, {"end": "01:17:26", "start": "01:17:21", "text": "those, even with this super strong"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:24", "text": "institutional imperative to stamp"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:26", "text": "solved, you know, weather balloon on all"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "the cases, they still couldn't solve 5%."}, {"end": "01:17:36", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "Statistically significant. So, it's the"}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "weight of the data over time that I can"}, {"end": "01:17:40", "start": "01:17:36", "text": "point to as a scientist that my father"}, {"end": "01:17:44", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "would say that indicates something is"}, {"end": "01:17:47", "start": "01:17:40", "text": "happening. What it is, I don't know, but"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:44", "text": "the evidence warrants further scientific"}, {"end": "01:17:51", "start": "01:17:47", "text": "study. And I think he thought he had the"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "most value to add by that as opposed to"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:51", "text": "personal testimony."}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "What do you make of Danny Sheen's claim"}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "that he was allowed into the sort of"}, {"end": "01:18:01", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "bowels of Project Blue Book? You heard"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:58", "text": "this story that he opened this box, went"}, {"end": "01:18:04", "start": "01:18:01", "text": "through these folders, and saw a picture"}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:03", "text": "of a craft craft in the snow."}, {"end": "01:18:09", "start": "01:18:04", "text": "Yeah. Um, do you think your father ever"}, {"end": "01:18:11", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "got to see that as well or was that t"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:09", "text": "hidden from him or was Danny shown"}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:11", "text": "passage material in in a sort of uh"}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "limited hang sort of situation? Like"}, {"end": "01:18:22", "start": "01:18:18", "text": "what do you make of that? Well, first I"}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "believe what uh my friend Danny Sheen"}, {"end": "01:18:28", "start": "01:18:22", "text": "says. I don't know what my father saw."}, {"end": "01:18:31", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "Um, clearly he was convinced and whether"}, {"end": "01:18:33", "start": "01:18:28", "text": "it was simply on the prosaic level, the"}, {"end": "01:18:35", "start": "01:18:31", "text": "accumulated weight of the data or having"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:33", "text": "seen something in particular like that,"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:35", "text": "that kind of smoking photographic gun"}, {"end": "01:18:41", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "that Danny talked about. I don't know."}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "Okay. Yeah. But that's the sense you got"}, {"end": "01:18:45", "start": "01:18:41", "text": "that like there was something in him"}, {"end": "01:18:45", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "that shifted and it wasn't just the"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:45", "text": "testimony."}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:45", "text": "I don't know."}, {"end": "01:18:47", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "01:18:49", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "I don't know."}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:47", "text": "Okay. Yeah, fair enough. But he was"}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:49", "text": "convinced that there was a phenomena as"}, {"end": "01:18:57", "start": "01:18:52", "text": "irritating and annoying as it may be."}, {"end": "01:19:00", "start": "01:18:55", "text": "Yeah. Especially to a scientist."}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:18:57", "text": "Wow. I mean, that is just uh that is"}, {"end": "01:19:07", "start": "01:19:00", "text": "incredible. And and you know, I I"}, {"end": "01:19:09", "start": "01:19:05", "text": "there's, you know, part of me and part"}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:07", "text": "of I'm sure a lot of people listening at"}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:09", "text": "home that are incredibly envious of"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "someone being, you know, so close to the"}, {"end": "01:19:19", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "potential truth as you were as a child."}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "Um, but obviously for you that was just"}, {"end": "01:19:23", "start": "01:19:19", "text": "your upbringing. That was just how"}, {"end": "01:19:26", "start": "01:19:21", "text": "things were. That was just normal in the"}, {"end": "01:19:30", "start": "01:19:23", "text": "Heinik household. Um, looking back, do"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:26", "text": "you ever find yourself going like are"}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:30", "text": "there any instances where you're like"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "uncovering and unpacking memories that"}, {"end": "01:19:39", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "you can now make sense of a little bit"}, {"end": "01:19:40", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "more than you could before?"}, {"end": "01:19:42", "start": "01:19:39", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:40", "text": "one of the things I look back at and and"}, {"end": "01:19:47", "start": "01:19:42", "text": "you know, I have three brothers and a"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "sister, and I think we all kind of look"}, {"end": "01:19:53", "start": "01:19:47", "text": "back and say, why didn't we have more"}, {"end": "01:19:55", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "super long conversations with our dad"}, {"end": "01:19:57", "start": "01:19:53", "text": "and our mom who was deeply involved as"}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:55", "text": "well. And part of it was it was just"}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:19:57", "text": "there all the time. You know, for the"}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:20:00", "text": "UFO phenomena, I've never until recently"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:03", "text": "had to be active and lean in and do"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "research. It was just there at dinner."}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "And so it was there all the time. And I"}, {"end": "01:20:16", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "had a lot of talks with my dad as we all"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:13", "text": "did, but I would have liked to have even"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:16", "text": "more. And you know, one of the things I"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "made my father promise is that each of"}, {"end": "01:20:26", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "us would sort of communicate with the"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:24", "text": "other one after death. And I'm pretty"}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:26", "text": "sure he did this with my siblings, too."}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "And I've seen something interesting, but"}, {"end": "01:20:39", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "not this positive for that. But"}, {"end": "01:20:41", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "you know, it's not like I look back now"}, {"end": "01:20:44", "start": "01:20:39", "text": "in hindsight with adult vision and can"}, {"end": "01:20:47", "start": "01:20:41", "text": "reinterpret something"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:44", "text": "because even at the time we were there"}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:47", "text": "for so many adult discussions that I had"}, {"end": "01:20:57", "start": "01:20:50", "text": "I think we all had a fairly good idea of"}, {"end": "01:20:59", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "what's going on. And so for me now"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:57", "text": "looking back I would have just liked to"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:20:59", "text": "do even more things than I did. Um, I"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "tried to get my junior field"}, {"end": "01:21:08", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "investigator merit badge from my dad"}, {"end": "01:21:10", "start": "01:21:06", "text": "because this guy called one day. Oh, I"}, {"end": "01:21:11", "start": "01:21:08", "text": "got to tell you about Prince Michael."}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:10", "text": "One of my favorites. Prince Michael"}, {"end": "01:21:14", "start": "01:21:11", "text": "calls and he says, \"Hi, I'm Prince"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "Michael from Orion.\" I said, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:21:17", "start": "01:21:14", "text": "you're probably from the Pletes.\" And"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "I'm like 12 years old."}, {"end": "01:21:20", "start": "01:21:17", "text": "What an insult,"}, {"end": "01:21:22", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "right? You know, you're one of those"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:20", "text": "renegade pleadians. And uh he says, \"No,"}, {"end": "01:21:25", "start": "01:21:22", "text": "I really am.\" And I said, \"Yeah, well,"}, {"end": "01:21:27", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "yeah, I don't think so, dude. I think"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:25", "text": "you're I think you're full of shit.\" He"}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:27", "text": "says, \"Well, I'll prove it to you.\" I"}, {"end": "01:21:32", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "said, \"Okay, good. See, all all about"}, {"end": "01:21:34", "start": "01:21:30", "text": "proof with me. And he says, \"How about"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:32", "text": "if I put a million dollars in your bank"}, {"end": "01:21:39", "start": "01:21:34", "text": "account?\" That'll do it. That'll do it."}, {"end": "01:21:41", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "So I said, \"Hey, mom.\" She's like,"}, {"end": "01:21:43", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "\"What?\" He said, \"Can I give this guy my"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:41", "text": "bank account number?\" And I think I was"}, {"end": "01:21:45", "start": "01:21:43", "text": "sure. She goes, \"Oh, hang up the phone.\""}, {"end": "01:21:47", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "And she's like, \"Sure, why not?\" I'm"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "like, \"Go, mom.\" So I give him my bank"}, {"end": "01:21:51", "start": "01:21:47", "text": "account number. He says, \"Okay, the"}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "money will be there tomorrow.\" So that"}, {"end": "01:21:56", "start": "01:21:51", "text": "next morning, I ride my Schwin Fastback"}, {"end": "01:21:58", "start": "01:21:53", "text": "bike to the bank and uh I say, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "01:21:59", "start": "01:21:56", "text": "Paul, what are you here for?\" Well, I"}, {"end": "01:22:01", "start": "01:21:58", "text": "have a million dollars on my account. I"}, {"end": "01:22:03", "start": "01:21:59", "text": "said, \"Well, sorry, Paul. It's still"}, {"end": "01:22:05", "start": "01:22:01", "text": "$1743.\""}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "Oh, okay. So, I ride home crushed. Three"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:05", "text": "days in a row I do this. Prince Michael"}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "calls back on the phone. I said, \"You,"}, {"end": "01:22:13", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "you know, you bastard.\" And he says,"}, {"end": "01:22:15", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "\"Well, the money's not there.\" I said,"}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:13", "text": "\"No.\" I said, \"You liar.\" And he goes,"}, {"end": "01:22:18", "start": "01:22:15", "text": "\"I tell you what, we're going to do"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "another way.\" Said, \"No, this way is"}, {"end": "01:22:22", "start": "01:22:18", "text": "good. This is the way.\" Goes, \"No, no,"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "no. I want you to call the CIA.\" He gave"}, {"end": "01:22:26", "start": "01:22:22", "text": "me the number with the CIA. He said,"}, {"end": "01:22:27", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "\"You call them. You tell them about me"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:26", "text": "and they will tell you they're afraid of"}, {"end": "01:22:31", "start": "01:22:27", "text": "me. Like I still like the bank account."}, {"end": "01:22:33", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "He goes, \"No, no, we're doing this.\""}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:31", "text": "Okay. Okay. So, I call the CIA and I"}, {"end": "01:22:38", "start": "01:22:33", "text": "say, \"First of all, big fan of the work"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "you do. Red, white, and blue. Go USA."}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:38", "text": "Thank you so much.\" And she's like,"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "\"Okay, okay. What is it that you're"}, {"end": "01:22:45", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "calling about?\" Said, \"Well, my father's"}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "involved with the UFOs.\" And we get a"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:45", "text": "bunch of crazy people to call. And this"}, {"end": "01:22:50", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "guy called me. He's Prince Michael. He"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:49", "text": "says you're from Ryan. I think he's from"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:50", "text": "Pleades. And she's like, \"Okay, what is"}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "it?\" And I said, \"Well, he told me to"}, {"end": "01:22:58", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "call you and that you guys would admit"}, {"end": "01:23:01", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "that you're afraid of him.\" And and this"}, {"end": "01:23:02", "start": "01:22:58", "text": "is the receptionist at Langley. And she"}, {"end": "01:23:04", "start": "01:23:01", "text": "says, \"Well, Paul, let me put it this"}, {"end": "01:23:07", "start": "01:23:02", "text": "way. We're not exactly losing a lot of"}, {"end": "01:23:10", "start": "01:23:04", "text": "sleep over this.\" So, like, the CI has a"}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:07", "text": "sense of humor. Go. So, Prince Michael"}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:10", "text": "calls again the next day and I tell him"}, {"end": "01:23:15", "start": "01:23:11", "text": "and he goes, \"Well, you didn't really"}, {"end": "01:23:17", "start": "01:23:13", "text": "think they would admit it, did you?\" I'm"}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:15", "text": "like, \"Oh, come on.\" So, that was Prince"}, {"end": "01:23:19", "start": "01:23:17", "text": "Michael."}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "Did he ever show up?"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:19", "text": "No. And we had crazy people come to the"}, {"end": "01:23:27", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "house. Um,"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "was there ever anybody that came that"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:27", "text": "made you go, \"Huh,"}, {"end": "01:23:32", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "what if?\" Like, was there ever like some"}, {"end": "01:23:34", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "tall blonde?"}, {"end": "01:23:36", "start": "01:23:32", "text": "Well, I mean, like, are they not human?"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:34", "text": "Yeah. Was there ever any sense even just"}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:36", "text": "for a second that you were like, \"Maybe"}, {"end": "01:23:43", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "this person is who they are claiming"}, {"end": "01:23:46", "start": "01:23:41", "text": "claiming to be, or maybe they're someone"}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:43", "text": "else who they're claiming not to be.\""}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:46", "text": "Not as a child, but as an adult, I've"}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "met a lot of people who claimed to be"}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "hybrids or full-on aliens."}, {"end": "01:23:59", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "Tell me about that."}, {"end": "01:24:01", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "So, I was at um EuoCon in San Francisco"}, {"end": "01:24:05", "start": "01:23:59", "text": "and I met this German woman, this older"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:01", "text": "German woman, very like Bob Monroe, very"}, {"end": "01:24:11", "start": "01:24:05", "text": "salt of the earth. She wasn't speaking"}, {"end": "01:24:14", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "and she heard who I was and said, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:11", "text": "it's very interesting.\" and she wasn't"}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:14", "text": "overly enthusiastic about talking about"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "what she wanted to talk about. So, it"}, {"end": "01:24:22", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "wasn't like she was just lying and wait"}, {"end": "01:24:25", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "cuz she got a Heck on the line to talk"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:22", "text": "about it. And she just starts talking"}, {"end": "01:24:27", "start": "01:24:25", "text": "and I I think I asked her, \"What do you"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "do? What are you here for?\" And she"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:27", "text": "says, \"Oh, well,"}, {"end": "01:24:37", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "took a couple beats and said, \"I'm um"}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "I'm a nanny on a spaceship for human"}, {"end": "01:24:43", "start": "01:24:37", "text": "hybrid alien babies.\" Like you and I"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:41", "text": "have both heard a lot of hybrid"}, {"end": "01:24:48", "start": "01:24:43", "text": "accounts, but this was very matterof"}, {"end": "01:24:51", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "fact workmanlike. A nanny on a"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:48", "text": "spaceship. I'm like, okay, it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:24:54", "start": "01:24:51", "text": "you can't really startle me at this"}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:52", "text": "point, but that's sort of a new sort of"}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:54", "text": "work a day tank. I'm like, okay, cool."}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "Tell me about this. And she's just"}, {"end": "01:25:03", "start": "01:24:59", "text": "matterofactly"}, {"end": "01:25:05", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "answering questions. She's not like"}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:03", "text": "like what what are the questions? Like"}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:05", "text": "so I start I thought let me ask her"}, {"end": "01:25:12", "start": "01:25:07", "text": "secondary questions because I think like"}, {"end": "01:25:14", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "the first questions will be how did it"}, {"end": "01:25:17", "start": "01:25:12", "text": "happen? How do you get up there? So I"}, {"end": "01:25:19", "start": "01:25:14", "text": "asked her like do you have insurance?"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:17", "text": "Um what are the species? What are your"}, {"end": "01:25:21", "start": "01:25:19", "text": "relationships with them?"}, {"end": "01:25:25", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "What were the species"}, {"end": "01:25:27", "start": "01:25:21", "text": "different? And she said they didn't have"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:25", "text": "insurance but they kind of healed her."}, {"end": "01:25:30", "start": "01:25:27", "text": "And every question I asked, which I"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "thought would be ones that she wouldn't"}, {"end": "01:25:35", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "get, even though I don't think she's"}, {"end": "01:25:37", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "broadcasting this widely,"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:35", "text": "she just paused for a second and gave me"}, {"end": "01:25:42", "start": "01:25:37", "text": "a not a a reflective answer. And it's"}, {"end": "01:25:43", "start": "01:25:40", "text": "almost like when you talk to people,"}, {"end": "01:25:45", "start": "01:25:42", "text": "they sort of look up one way and they"}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:43", "text": "sort of bring back visual memories. It"}, {"end": "01:25:48", "start": "01:25:45", "text": "was like that. And it wasn't like, oh, I"}, {"end": "01:25:50", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "hadn't thought about that before. It was"}, {"end": "01:25:53", "start": "01:25:48", "text": "just like, oh, and just without skipping"}, {"end": "01:25:56", "start": "01:25:50", "text": "a beat would just sort of tell me. And"}, {"end": "01:25:56", "start": "01:25:53", "text": "it was this very lowkey"}, {"end": "01:25:58", "start": "01:25:56", "text": "delivery."}, {"end": "01:26:00", "start": "01:25:56", "text": "What were the species?"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:25:58", "text": "I I don't remember if she told me what"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:00", "text": "they were. Um but one of the things that"}, {"end": "01:26:11", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "jumped out at me was that she said,"}, {"end": "01:26:14", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "you know, I have grandchildren here."}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:11", "text": "I've fulfilled my purpose. This is"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:14", "text": "meaningful for me. And it was 9 to5"}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "Monday through Friday. and just this"}, {"end": "01:26:25", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "super chill,"}, {"end": "01:26:28", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "non"}, {"end": "01:26:32", "start": "01:26:25", "text": "overly energetic,"}, {"end": "01:26:34", "start": "01:26:28", "text": "prosaic accounting of this extraordinary"}, {"end": "01:26:36", "start": "01:26:32", "text": "day-to-day event. That's something that"}, {"end": "01:26:40", "start": "01:26:34", "text": "we hear about especially with David"}, {"end": "01:26:42", "start": "01:26:36", "text": "Jacobs and uh his uh they're Among Us"}, {"end": "01:26:44", "start": "01:26:40", "text": "book where you you have these abductees"}, {"end": "01:26:47", "start": "01:26:42", "text": "that are trained in sort of a lot of"}, {"end": "01:26:49", "start": "01:26:44", "text": "times menial sort of tasks or whatever"}, {"end": "01:26:51", "start": "01:26:47", "text": "that that train the sort the hybrids the"}, {"end": "01:26:54", "start": "01:26:49", "text": "later stage hybrids"}, {"end": "01:26:56", "start": "01:26:51", "text": "how to behave humanlike and show them"}, {"end": "01:26:58", "start": "01:26:54", "text": "mundane things and activities. And a lot"}, {"end": "01:27:02", "start": "01:26:56", "text": "of times as well abductees are taken to"}, {"end": "01:27:06", "start": "01:26:58", "text": "be a sort of motherlike figure to the"}, {"end": "01:27:07", "start": "01:27:02", "text": "younger extraterrestrials on. So this is"}, {"end": "01:27:08", "start": "01:27:06", "text": "kind of that. What year was this around?"}, {"end": "01:27:09", "start": "01:27:07", "text": "This is like a few years ago. This"}, {"end": "01:27:10", "start": "01:27:08", "text": "couldn't have been"}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:09", "text": "right before co."}, {"end": "01:27:14", "start": "01:27:10", "text": "Okay. So just not too long ago. So this"}, {"end": "01:27:16", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "lady is around potentially still."}, {"end": "01:27:18", "start": "01:27:14", "text": "Yeah. And I asked her there was I asked"}, {"end": "01:27:20", "start": "01:27:16", "text": "two people at that conference who said"}, {"end": "01:27:24", "start": "01:27:18", "text": "they regularly go on saucers if I could"}, {"end": "01:27:26", "start": "01:27:20", "text": "be a plus one. Um, now my sister tries"}, {"end": "01:27:30", "start": "01:27:24", "text": "to make me promise not to go on a craft,"}, {"end": "01:27:31", "start": "01:27:26", "text": "but I'm going. And so, but I've they've"}, {"end": "01:27:34", "start": "01:27:30", "text": "not come by the house yet to pick me up."}, {"end": "01:27:35", "start": "01:27:31", "text": "Yeah. And they've come by her house to"}, {"end": "01:27:37", "start": "01:27:34", "text": "pick her up like that. How does that"}, {"end": "01:27:39", "start": "01:27:35", "text": "work? How does the drop off work?"}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:37", "text": "I'm still not sure cuz I didn't ask that"}, {"end": "01:27:46", "start": "01:27:39", "text": "kind of question like how she gets"}, {"end": "01:27:46", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "there. But it's I I I like"}, {"end": "01:27:48", "start": "01:27:47", "text": "witness accounts like that,"}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:48", "text": "dude."}, {"end": "01:27:51", "start": "01:27:48", "text": "They stick with me more. So I'll tell"}, {"end": "01:27:54", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "you one of the things that was the most"}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:51", "text": "not chilling but the most interesting to"}, {"end": "01:27:57", "start": "01:27:54", "text": "me. So"}, {"end": "01:27:58", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "my father is a scientific director for"}, {"end": "01:28:00", "start": "01:27:57", "text": "project blue book."}, {"end": "01:28:02", "start": "01:27:58", "text": "There were air force directors and they"}, {"end": "01:28:05", "start": "01:28:00", "text": "was a spectrum. Repel was great and I"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:02", "text": "think my father's favorite was Colonel"}, {"end": "01:28:13", "start": "01:28:05", "text": "um Colonel friend and he was an American"}, {"end": "01:28:15", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "hero. He was a Tuskegee airman. He"}, {"end": "01:28:17", "start": "01:28:13", "text": "worked on the space shuttle and he was"}, {"end": "01:28:18", "start": "01:28:15", "text": "at Project Bluebuck and he actually"}, {"end": "01:28:21", "start": "01:28:17", "text": "saved my father's life in a scrap in"}, {"end": "01:28:23", "start": "01:28:18", "text": "South Chicago one night. Wonderful man."}, {"end": "01:28:25", "start": "01:28:21", "text": "So when my brother and I were"}, {"end": "01:28:27", "start": "01:28:23", "text": "consultants on the TV show Project"}, {"end": "01:28:29", "start": "01:28:25", "text": "Bluebuck, we filmed a bunch of"}, {"end": "01:28:34", "start": "01:28:27", "text": "background footage including interviews"}, {"end": "01:28:38", "start": "01:28:29", "text": "with Bob Friend. And at this point he's"}, {"end": "01:28:40", "start": "01:28:34", "text": "98 years old and he would start to drift"}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:38", "text": "off at sometimes. But if you ask him"}, {"end": "01:28:46", "start": "01:28:40", "text": "sort of a process related question,"}, {"end": "01:28:49", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "sharp as attack. So somebody asked him"}, {"end": "01:28:52", "start": "01:28:46", "text": "Colonel friend, were alien bodies ever"}, {"end": "01:28:55", "start": "01:28:49", "text": "taken to write Patterson Air Force Base"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:52", "text": "and he said now he's still a patriot and"}, {"end": "01:29:03", "start": "01:28:55", "text": "abiding by his oath of loyalty."}, {"end": "01:29:05", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "He says no"}, {"end": "01:29:08", "start": "01:29:03", "text": "alien bodies wouldn't have been taken to"}, {"end": "01:29:10", "start": "01:29:05", "text": "Wright Pat. That was a mechanic center."}, {"end": "01:29:13", "start": "01:29:08", "text": "They would have been taken to Fort Hood,"}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:10", "text": "which was a burn center."}, {"end": "01:29:18", "start": "01:29:13", "text": "He's not violating his confidential, but"}, {"end": "01:29:19", "start": "01:29:16", "text": "why is he adding that kota?"}, {"end": "01:29:21", "start": "01:29:18", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:19", "text": "So, I thought, okay, that's pretty cool."}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:21", "text": "So, about a month later, he's"}, {"end": "01:29:28", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "celebrating his 99th birthday party, his"}, {"end": "01:29:29", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "99th birthday. We're at a party in an"}, {"end": "01:29:31", "start": "01:29:28", "text": "outdoor restaurant in Manhattan Beach,"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:29", "text": "California."}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:31", "text": "And I'm sitting at the table with him,"}, {"end": "01:29:36", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "and I'm like, \"Okay, this is my chance.\""}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "And I figure I I've got to loosen him up"}, {"end": "01:29:41", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "a bit. So I tell him this famous joke"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "about George Burns who everybody knew he"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:41", "text": "wanted to live to be 100 years old. And"}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "so I'm telling this to Lieutenant"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "Colonel friend at his 99th birthday"}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "party. So woman comes up to George Burns"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "says but Mr. Burns who really wants to"}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "live to be a 100red years old"}, {"end": "01:29:58", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "someone who's 99. So I tell that to"}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "lieutenant girlfriend. He starts"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:58", "text": "laughing. I said okay now is my moment."}, {"end": "01:30:05", "start": "01:30:00", "text": "Now I can't ask him"}, {"end": "01:30:07", "start": "01:30:02", "text": "to violate his oath. So, I have to sort"}, {"end": "01:30:09", "start": "01:30:05", "text": "of tease around the edge and I said,"}, {"end": "01:30:12", "start": "01:30:07", "text": "\"Lieutenant Colonel friend, I'm just the"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:09", "text": "son of your former buddy. You could tell"}, {"end": "01:30:18", "start": "01:30:12", "text": "me, did you ever see anything"}, {"end": "01:30:22", "start": "01:30:15", "text": "convincing?\""}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:18", "text": "And he goes, his eyes light up and he"}, {"end": "01:30:26", "start": "01:30:22", "text": "looks around. This is like 60 years"}, {"end": "01:30:31", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "later, a restaurant in California. He's"}, {"end": "01:30:33", "start": "01:30:26", "text": "still looking around and he says, \"Paul,"}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:31", "text": "yes.\""}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:33", "text": "And I I just had chills up and down"}, {"end": "01:30:41", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "because this is a guy who had a front"}, {"end": "01:30:43", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "row seat and may have seen things that"}, {"end": "01:30:47", "start": "01:30:41", "text": "my father wasn't allowed to see. Maybe"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:43", "text": "he saw what Danny Sheen saw and sharp as"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:47", "text": "attack when you get him on these process"}, {"end": "01:30:53", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "type questions."}, {"end": "01:30:57", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "Not violating his oath, but wanting to"}, {"end": "01:31:00", "start": "01:30:53", "text": "convey information with a family"}, {"end": "01:31:03", "start": "01:30:57", "text": "personal contact. These are the things"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:00", "text": "that I gravitate to more than this or"}, {"end": "01:31:09", "start": "01:31:03", "text": "that case. This is a guy who spanned so"}, {"end": "01:31:11", "start": "01:31:06", "text": "many cases and"}, {"end": "01:31:14", "start": "01:31:09", "text": "was convinced and he didn't go into this"}, {"end": "01:31:16", "start": "01:31:11", "text": "like, oh, I love UFOs. This is probably"}, {"end": "01:31:19", "start": "01:31:14", "text": "not the assignment he liked. This is"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:16", "text": "right patent Dayton, right? He made the"}, {"end": "01:31:25", "start": "01:31:19", "text": "most of it. And that really stuck with"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "me. Now, we were going to go to his"}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:25", "text": "house a little bit later and he passed"}, {"end": "01:31:31", "start": "01:31:26", "text": "away soon after that."}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "But to me,"}, {"end": "01:31:35", "start": "01:31:31", "text": "there's nothing more convincing I've"}, {"end": "01:31:37", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "ever come across personally than that"}, {"end": "01:31:39", "start": "01:31:35", "text": "encounter."}, {"end": "01:31:41", "start": "01:31:37", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:31:44", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "Yeah, that's profound. That's uh a"}, {"end": "01:31:47", "start": "01:31:41", "text": "one-word answer that just"}, {"end": "01:31:48", "start": "01:31:44", "text": "and you know, reading between the lines,"}, {"end": "01:31:51", "start": "01:31:47", "text": "giving information like you did in the"}, {"end": "01:31:52", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "prior interview. This is a guy that saw"}, {"end": "01:31:54", "start": "01:31:51", "text": "stuff."}, {"end": "01:31:57", "start": "01:31:52", "text": "That's a great question."}, {"end": "01:31:59", "start": "01:31:54", "text": "smartly formulated question that he what"}, {"end": "01:31:59", "start": "01:31:57", "text": "seems like he was excited to answer"}, {"end": "01:32:02", "start": "01:31:59", "text": "finally."}, {"end": "01:32:03", "start": "01:31:59", "text": "Yeah. And you know he knew what I meant"}, {"end": "01:32:09", "start": "01:32:02", "text": "by convincing."}, {"end": "01:32:11", "start": "01:32:03", "text": "Yeah. Wow. That's uh Yeah. I mean, dude,"}, {"end": "01:32:13", "start": "01:32:09", "text": "you know, one of the goals here, and"}, {"end": "01:32:16", "start": "01:32:11", "text": "I've, you know, talked to talked to the"}, {"end": "01:32:18", "start": "01:32:13", "text": "audience about this before, but one of"}, {"end": "01:32:21", "start": "01:32:16", "text": "the goals of this channel would"}, {"end": "01:32:24", "start": "01:32:18", "text": "eventually be to have"}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:21", "text": "some type of nonhuman sat right there,"}, {"end": "01:32:28", "start": "01:32:24", "text": "you know, and I put that out there"}, {"end": "01:32:29", "start": "01:32:26", "text": "because I know how crazy that sounds to"}, {"end": "01:32:30", "start": "01:32:28", "text": "some people, but I don't think it sounds"}, {"end": "01:32:31", "start": "01:32:29", "text": "that crazy at all."}, {"end": "01:32:34", "start": "01:32:30", "text": "Well, we got three here now."}, {"end": "01:32:36", "start": "01:32:31", "text": "That's right. Three guardians. But you"}, {"end": "01:32:40", "start": "01:32:34", "text": "know to me um if there are people"}, {"end": "01:32:45", "start": "01:32:36", "text": "interacting with these entities, these"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:40", "text": "beings in a way that is so casual as to"}, {"end": "01:32:52", "start": "01:32:45", "text": "become a nanny for them on their ship"}, {"end": "01:32:55", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "and you know show them how a stove works"}, {"end": "01:32:57", "start": "01:32:52", "text": "and like all of this then why can't I be"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:55", "text": "the one to show them what a podcast is?"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:57", "text": "Like is that so hard to believe?"}, {"end": "01:33:05", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. for"}, {"end": "01:33:07", "start": "01:33:02", "text": "us. I think the closer we get to this"}, {"end": "01:33:09", "start": "01:33:05", "text": "being unccorked,"}, {"end": "01:33:11", "start": "01:33:07", "text": "I think the more that this becomes a"}, {"end": "01:33:13", "start": "01:33:09", "text": "reality in which I can play a part in"}, {"end": "01:33:16", "start": "01:33:11", "text": "and I'm and I I want that part and I"}, {"end": "01:33:16", "start": "01:33:13", "text": "want that to happen. So, let me devil's"}, {"end": "01:33:20", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "advocate."}, {"end": "01:33:24", "start": "01:33:16", "text": "Sure. Um, so I talked about how I think"}, {"end": "01:33:27", "start": "01:33:20", "text": "extraterrestrials may be post-biological"}, {"end": "01:33:30", "start": "01:33:24", "text": "and DMT entities well beyond post"}, {"end": "01:33:30", "start": "01:33:27", "text": "postbiological"}, {"end": "01:33:38", "start": "01:33:30", "text": "is so and maybe it comes through DMT"}, {"end": "01:33:41", "start": "01:33:34", "text": "here Monroe facilitated experiences"}, {"end": "01:33:47", "start": "01:33:38", "text": "to me that seems as likely as a landing"}, {"end": "01:33:49", "start": "01:33:41", "text": "of a saucer um or sitting down with a"}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:47", "text": "flesh and blood nonhuman."}, {"end": "01:33:55", "start": "01:33:49", "text": "Maybe it comes through chat GPT"}, {"end": "01:33:57", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "comes through dreams comes through maybe"}, {"end": "01:33:59", "start": "01:33:55", "text": "we've already had these"}, {"end": "01:34:01", "start": "01:33:57", "text": "maybe they don't you know maybe they can"}, {"end": "01:34:03", "start": "01:33:59", "text": "instantiate you know I have this nagging"}, {"end": "01:34:06", "start": "01:34:01", "text": "suspicion that"}, {"end": "01:34:09", "start": "01:34:03", "text": "many phenomena that we especially in the"}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:06", "text": "west silo in different buckets aliens"}, {"end": "01:34:16", "start": "01:34:09", "text": "Bigfoot ghosts DMT there may be this"}, {"end": "01:34:18", "start": "01:34:14", "text": "sort of common substrate at the base"}, {"end": "01:34:21", "start": "01:34:16", "text": "level where they're not different and"}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:18", "text": "Maybe we perceive them in different ways"}, {"end": "01:34:25", "start": "01:34:21", "text": "based on cultural biases. Or maybe they"}, {"end": "01:34:28", "start": "01:34:23", "text": "just instantiate in different ways at"}, {"end": "01:34:30", "start": "01:34:25", "text": "different times for different reasons,"}, {"end": "01:34:33", "start": "01:34:28", "text": "but"}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:30", "text": "I, you know, maybe they'll communicate"}, {"end": "01:34:35", "start": "01:34:33", "text": "through machinery."}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "Mhm."}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:35", "text": "More than just sitting in person."}, {"end": "01:34:38", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "Sure."}, {"end": "01:34:41", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "Maybe that's more comfortable. Maybe"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:38", "text": "that's less of an ontological blow"}, {"end": "01:34:45", "start": "01:34:41", "text": "across the head."}, {"end": "01:34:48", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "And maybe it's happening already."}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:45", "text": "Yeah. And I'm I'm all for all of that,"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:48", "text": "but I meet me halfway here cuz, you"}, {"end": "01:34:54", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "maybe just have the headphones here."}, {"end": "01:34:56", "start": "01:34:54", "text": "Let's do it audio only. There's not"}, {"end": "01:34:57", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "anybody here."}, {"end": "01:35:00", "start": "01:34:56", "text": "Yeah, let's do it audio only. You know,"}, {"end": "01:35:02", "start": "01:34:57", "text": "u that's sort of a a first step."}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:35:00", "text": "Sure. And I I don't think that that's"}, {"end": "01:35:05", "start": "01:35:02", "text": "that impossible. I'm reading so many"}, {"end": "01:35:08", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "stories about interactions with"}, {"end": "01:35:10", "start": "01:35:05", "text": "humanlike entities, whether they're"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:08", "text": "incredibly short but don't have, you"}, {"end": "01:35:13", "start": "01:35:10", "text": "know, any of the little person sort of"}, {"end": "01:35:16", "start": "01:35:12", "text": "qualities and they all look kind of"}, {"end": "01:35:18", "start": "01:35:13", "text": "alike, very bizarre. two being extremely"}, {"end": "01:35:21", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "tall and and and ridiculously"}, {"end": "01:35:23", "start": "01:35:18", "text": "good-looking, like you know, blonde"}, {"end": "01:35:26", "start": "01:35:21", "text": "Nordic types. Two other ones that just"}, {"end": "01:35:28", "start": "01:35:23", "text": "look like regular people, like all of"}, {"end": "01:35:31", "start": "01:35:26", "text": "the in-betweens, but there are these"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:28", "text": "really mysterious encounters with these"}, {"end": "01:35:37", "start": "01:35:31", "text": "physical beings that are somehow or"}, {"end": "01:35:41", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "another integrating into our lives, be"}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:37", "text": "it temporarily or on some semi-permanent"}, {"end": "01:35:44", "start": "01:35:41", "text": "manner. and let's say that appear to be"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "physical because a lot of the encounters"}, {"end": "01:35:46", "start": "01:35:44", "text": "you don't actually have any kind of"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "touch."}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:35:50", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "But certainly seem to be incarnate in"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "some form."}, {"end": "01:35:53", "start": "01:35:50", "text": "Sure. But then you look at like you"}, {"end": "01:35:56", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "mentioned earlier Travis Walton. There"}, {"end": "01:35:59", "start": "01:35:53", "text": "was physical interaction with you know"}, {"end": "01:36:02", "start": "01:35:56", "text": "they grabbed him and manhandled him who"}, {"end": "01:36:04", "start": "01:35:59", "text": "is a young vital lumberjack."}, {"end": "01:36:07", "start": "01:36:02", "text": "You know the last guy you'd pick on"}, {"end": "01:36:09", "start": "01:36:04", "text": "really. And uh this lady as strong as"}, {"end": "01:36:11", "start": "01:36:07", "text": "anyone you know."}, {"end": "01:36:12", "start": "01:36:09", "text": "Yeah. You're going to pick on like five"}, {"end": "01:36:13", "start": "01:36:11", "text": "lumberjacks of the Mogi on rim in"}, {"end": "01:36:15", "start": "01:36:12", "text": "Arizona."}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:13", "text": "Yeah. And just and pick them up and put"}, {"end": "01:36:20", "start": "01:36:15", "text": "them in a chair and like I mean"}, {"end": "01:36:23", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "Yeah. There there does seem to be a"}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:20", "text": "physical element on some level to this."}, {"end": "01:36:26", "start": "01:36:23", "text": "Now what that is I don't know whether"}, {"end": "01:36:28", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "that's"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:26", "text": "whether that's their permanent state or"}, {"end": "01:36:32", "start": "01:36:28", "text": "Yeah. or whether that's just us in the"}, {"end": "01:36:34", "start": "01:36:29", "text": "future or some shape or or some some"}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:32", "text": "unknown government or whatever or"}, {"end": "01:36:39", "start": "01:36:34", "text": "breakaway civilization."}, {"end": "01:36:40", "start": "01:36:37", "text": "whatever that is, you know, let's have a"}, {"end": "01:36:42", "start": "01:36:39", "text": "conversation. Let's open it up to"}, {"end": "01:36:45", "start": "01:36:40", "text": "dialogue a little bit more. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:36:47", "start": "01:36:42", "text": "obviously, they they're towing the line"}, {"end": "01:36:48", "start": "01:36:45", "text": "of disclosure. They have been. If not,"}, {"end": "01:36:51", "start": "01:36:47", "text": "they wouldn't interact with us. They"}, {"end": "01:36:54", "start": "01:36:48", "text": "wouldn't, you know, come have these"}, {"end": "01:36:56", "start": "01:36:51", "text": "strange conversations or, you know, just"}, {"end": "01:36:59", "start": "01:36:54", "text": "show up to a concert dressed in blue and"}, {"end": "01:37:02", "start": "01:36:56", "text": "like they wouldn't do this if they"}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:36:59", "text": "weren't curious to how we'd react to it."}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:37:02", "text": "At least on some level, let's let's talk"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "it out."}, {"end": "01:37:10", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "Yeah. And you know, we've talked about"}, {"end": "01:37:14", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "how the US government isn't one central"}, {"end": "01:37:16", "start": "01:37:10", "text": "coordinated actor, but also is it really"}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:14", "text": "up to the US government to disclose"}, {"end": "01:37:19", "start": "01:37:16", "text": "information and all the governments in"}, {"end": "01:37:22", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "the world"}, {"end": "01:37:23", "start": "01:37:19", "text": "or do the non-human intelligences have"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:22", "text": "some say in the matter?"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "And clearly"}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:26", "text": "there's a phenomena here. Where, when,"}, {"end": "01:37:36", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "how, don't know. But if"}, {"end": "01:37:40", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "these beings that can manifest being"}, {"end": "01:37:43", "start": "01:37:36", "text": "here, in my view, clearly vastly"}, {"end": "01:37:45", "start": "01:37:40", "text": "superior technology than we have."}, {"end": "01:37:46", "start": "01:37:43", "text": "If they were here with pure hostile"}, {"end": "01:37:47", "start": "01:37:45", "text": "intentions, we'd be gone."}, {"end": "01:37:48", "start": "01:37:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:37:51", "start": "01:37:47", "text": "So, at the very worst, they're"}, {"end": "01:37:52", "start": "01:37:48", "text": "manipulating us or hybridizing, etc."}, {"end": "01:37:54", "start": "01:37:51", "text": "Yeah. Or pranking. I don't know."}, {"end": "01:37:56", "start": "01:37:52", "text": "Yeah. Or they're us, you know, Michael"}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:54", "text": "Masters. They're us in the future, etc."}, {"end": "01:38:00", "start": "01:37:56", "text": "But,"}, {"end": "01:38:03", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "you know,"}, {"end": "01:38:05", "start": "01:38:00", "text": "Danny Sheen is is great at deafly"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:03", "text": "maneuvering the levers of power to get"}, {"end": "01:38:10", "start": "01:38:05", "text": "information out. And one of the things"}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "he told me, which is brilliant, was, you"}, {"end": "01:38:13", "start": "01:38:10", "text": "know, yeah, I told you about my roleplay"}, {"end": "01:38:15", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "where I do the Jack Nicholson, you want"}, {"end": "01:38:16", "start": "01:38:13", "text": "me on that wall, I'm not giving up the"}, {"end": "01:38:19", "start": "01:38:15", "text": "information. I'm here for full spectrum"}, {"end": "01:38:21", "start": "01:38:16", "text": "dominance, yada yada yada. Well, Danny"}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:19", "text": "goes into and meets with an inspector"}, {"end": "01:38:27", "start": "01:38:21", "text": "general at one agency at the Pentagon"}, {"end": "01:38:29", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "and he tells them what an existing"}, {"end": "01:38:32", "start": "01:38:27", "text": "statute requires of them. The inspector"}, {"end": "01:38:36", "start": "01:38:29", "text": "general is concerned with compliance."}, {"end": "01:38:38", "start": "01:38:32", "text": "That is their job. So Danny was able to"}, {"end": "01:38:40", "start": "01:38:36", "text": "turn the tables from him being seen as"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:38", "text": "this muckraking"}, {"end": "01:38:44", "start": "01:38:40", "text": "people's advocate into somebody pointing"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "out a part of his job that he didn't"}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:44", "text": "know that he had to do. And then that"}, {"end": "01:38:50", "start": "01:38:46", "text": "guy starts talking to other inspectors"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "general. Now that is a way I can see you"}, {"end": "01:38:54", "start": "01:38:50", "text": "actually pry this information out."}, {"end": "01:38:56", "start": "01:38:52", "text": "Sure. On a in in like an official"}, {"end": "01:38:59", "start": "01:38:54", "text": "government capacity"}, {"end": "01:39:00", "start": "01:38:56", "text": "to the extent that the nonhuman partners"}, {"end": "01:39:02", "start": "01:38:59", "text": "would allow that to happen."}, {"end": "01:39:06", "start": "01:39:00", "text": "Right. Do you think that they in some"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:02", "text": "part are controlling disclosure?"}, {"end": "01:39:08", "start": "01:39:06", "text": "That's beyond my pay grade. I don't"}, {"end": "01:39:10", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "know."}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:08", "text": "Yeah. But I mean hypothetically it would"}, {"end": "01:39:13", "start": "01:39:10", "text": "seem like they have some hand in it."}, {"end": "01:39:15", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "Like at least"}, {"end": "01:39:17", "start": "01:39:13", "text": "I I would think they either control or"}, {"end": "01:39:19", "start": "01:39:15", "text": "influence everything. If if we have"}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:17", "text": "non-human intelligence, especially"}, {"end": "01:39:23", "start": "01:39:19", "text": "extraterrestrial that are here for"}, {"end": "01:39:25", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "whatever reason, there's very little"}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:23", "text": "that happens without them allowing it to"}, {"end": "01:39:29", "start": "01:39:25", "text": "happen. I would say"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "that makes sense. What do you make of,"}, {"end": "01:39:35", "start": "01:39:29", "text": "while we're on hypotheticals, what do"}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "you make of these ideas of, you know,"}, {"end": "01:39:40", "start": "01:39:35", "text": "time travel and stuff like that within,"}, {"end": "01:39:42", "start": "01:39:38", "text": "you know, these these certain black"}, {"end": "01:39:45", "start": "01:39:40", "text": "projects or whatever. Has that ever come"}, {"end": "01:39:46", "start": "01:39:42", "text": "up? Have you ever talked to anybody that"}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:45", "text": "says, \"Hey, we've jumped through"}, {"end": "01:39:51", "start": "01:39:46", "text": "portals,\" or, \"Hey, we've uh had a"}, {"end": "01:39:53", "start": "01:39:49", "text": "looking glass device to see in time.\""}, {"end": "01:39:54", "start": "01:39:51", "text": "Has any of that ever crossed your path"}, {"end": "01:39:57", "start": "01:39:53", "text": "at any point?"}, {"end": "01:39:59", "start": "01:39:54", "text": "I've never talked to a purported time"}, {"end": "01:40:01", "start": "01:39:57", "text": "traveler, but Michael Masters, who I"}, {"end": "01:40:04", "start": "01:39:59", "text": "mentioned, has done great work in"}, {"end": "01:40:07", "start": "01:40:01", "text": "advancing that theory in a really"}, {"end": "01:40:11", "start": "01:40:04", "text": "skillful way. One of the challenges"}, {"end": "01:40:14", "start": "01:40:07", "text": "though is um if people can come back"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:11", "text": "from the future, we could have millions"}, {"end": "01:40:17", "start": "01:40:14", "text": "and millions of people all the time. It"}, {"end": "01:40:19", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "wouldn't necessarily just be a few"}, {"end": "01:40:22", "start": "01:40:17", "text": "because once you figure out time travel"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:19", "text": "now it's possible and at some point it's"}, {"end": "01:40:24", "start": "01:40:22", "text": "you know those machines are sold at"}, {"end": "01:40:26", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "Walmart."}, {"end": "01:40:28", "start": "01:40:24", "text": "Everyone's coming back, right? So that's"}, {"end": "01:40:32", "start": "01:40:26", "text": "that's like why do saucers crash in the"}, {"end": "01:40:35", "start": "01:40:28", "text": "desert, right? So time travel, you know,"}, {"end": "01:40:39", "start": "01:40:32", "text": "I think for me personally,"}, {"end": "01:40:42", "start": "01:40:35", "text": "extraterrestrial travel in nuts and"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:39", "text": "bolts ships going conventionally from A"}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:42", "text": "to B is unlikely. How do they find us?"}, {"end": "01:40:50", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "We're like a speck of dust in Kansas."}, {"end": "01:40:53", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "And yes, we've been beaming out episodes"}, {"end": "01:40:55", "start": "01:40:50", "text": "of I Love Lucy low these many decades,"}, {"end": "01:40:58", "start": "01:40:53", "text": "but it's if they're postbiological,"}, {"end": "01:41:00", "start": "01:40:55", "text": "they're not thinking about radio waves."}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:58", "text": "And then why would they care? Why would"}, {"end": "01:41:04", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "they come so far away and be somewhat"}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "elusive? That's why interdimensional"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:04", "text": "rings true to me because they're"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "adjacent to us and may be us in a many"}, {"end": "01:41:14", "start": "01:41:09", "text": "worlds dimension."}, {"end": "01:41:18", "start": "01:41:12", "text": "So I like that. Um"}, {"end": "01:41:21", "start": "01:41:14", "text": "I my brother Joel and I spent a time"}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:18", "text": "fair amount of time with a guy very"}, {"end": "01:41:28", "start": "01:41:21", "text": "interesting guy who said he was employed"}, {"end": "01:41:31", "start": "01:41:24", "text": "by HP Hula Packard to go experience or"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:28", "text": "go experiment and investigate"}, {"end": "01:41:36", "start": "01:41:31", "text": "anomalous phenomena around the world to"}, {"end": "01:41:39", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "see if they could monetize it somehow"}, {"end": "01:41:42", "start": "01:41:36", "text": "distill it down to printer cartridges."}, {"end": "01:41:43", "start": "01:41:39", "text": "He told me the story about how and I"}, {"end": "01:41:47", "start": "01:41:42", "text": "wanted to go on an investigation with"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:43", "text": "him and it didn't happen. So that there"}, {"end": "01:41:54", "start": "01:41:47", "text": "was this guy rescued at sea who had"}, {"end": "01:41:58", "start": "01:41:52", "text": "jeans on with a designer that didn't"}, {"end": "01:42:01", "start": "01:41:54", "text": "exist in the world talked about"}, {"end": "01:42:04", "start": "01:41:58", "text": "a former vice president who was"}, {"end": "01:42:07", "start": "01:42:01", "text": "president who was not and slight shifts"}, {"end": "01:42:11", "start": "01:42:04", "text": "in reality and this consistent story of"}, {"end": "01:42:14", "start": "01:42:07", "text": "a world slightly off of ours."}, {"end": "01:42:16", "start": "01:42:11", "text": "And that was fascinating to me of a"}, {"end": "01:42:17", "start": "01:42:14", "text": "potential dimensional traveler, not a"}, {"end": "01:42:19", "start": "01:42:16", "text": "time traveler."}, {"end": "01:42:20", "start": "01:42:17", "text": "Did you ever follow up with that?"}, {"end": "01:42:22", "start": "01:42:19", "text": "I kept asking him and I said, \"I want to"}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:20", "text": "go on an investigation with you.\" Cuz"}, {"end": "01:42:26", "start": "01:42:22", "text": "another one he talked about was how he"}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "was in Australia and people are looking"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:26", "text": "up and it's a sunny day, no clouds, and"}, {"end": "01:42:36", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "yet there is this square pattern of"}, {"end": "01:42:38", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "shade on the ground and that nobody"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:36", "text": "could explain."}, {"end": "01:42:42", "start": "01:42:38", "text": "So, I'm like, I want to go. And for"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "whatever reason, it just didn't"}, {"end": "01:42:48", "start": "01:42:42", "text": "materialize. But the time travel, I"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "mean, Michael does a really good job"}, {"end": "01:42:51", "start": "01:42:48", "text": "showing how we could evolve to little"}, {"end": "01:42:53", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "grays, right?"}, {"end": "01:42:55", "start": "01:42:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "01:42:58", "start": "01:42:53", "text": "But it's it's a tough nut. Now, when I"}, {"end": "01:42:59", "start": "01:42:55", "text": "was about maybe about 10 years old,"}, {"end": "01:43:01", "start": "01:42:58", "text": "around the same time as the Eclipse"}, {"end": "01:43:03", "start": "01:42:59", "text": "cruise, my father and I watched the"}, {"end": "01:43:04", "start": "01:43:01", "text": "movie The Time Machine,"}, {"end": "01:43:06", "start": "01:43:03", "text": "and after I said, \"Hey, Dad, I'm going"}, {"end": "01:43:07", "start": "01:43:04", "text": "to go build the Time Machine.\" He starts"}, {"end": "01:43:09", "start": "01:43:06", "text": "laughing at me. Oh, boy. It pissed me"}, {"end": "01:43:10", "start": "01:43:07", "text": "off. Why are you laugh at me, Dad? He"}, {"end": "01:43:12", "start": "01:43:09", "text": "goes,"}, {"end": "01:43:14", "start": "01:43:10", "text": "you know, he couldn't even articulate"}, {"end": "01:43:16", "start": "01:43:12", "text": "why it was so preposterous, especially"}, {"end": "01:43:18", "start": "01:43:14", "text": "me of all the children doing it. And I"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:16", "text": "said, \"But dad, when you were a kid,"}, {"end": "01:43:21", "start": "01:43:18", "text": "wouldn't have they said it's impossible"}, {"end": "01:43:23", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "if you said, you know, man, we'll go to"}, {"end": "01:43:25", "start": "01:43:21", "text": "the moon.\" He goes, \"Oh, you're right,"}, {"end": "01:43:27", "start": "01:43:23", "text": "Bozo. Well, you go downstairs and build"}, {"end": "01:43:28", "start": "01:43:25", "text": "that time machine because you can do it"}, {"end": "01:43:30", "start": "01:43:27", "text": "because you don't know it's impossible.\""}, {"end": "01:43:32", "start": "01:43:28", "text": "I'm like, \"Yeah, Dad.\" So, I run"}, {"end": "01:43:34", "start": "01:43:30", "text": "downstairs and I get some balsa wire and"}, {"end": "01:43:35", "start": "01:43:32", "text": "some duct tape and some wire. You know,"}, {"end": "01:43:37", "start": "01:43:34", "text": "the first things you need for a time"}, {"end": "01:43:40", "start": "01:43:35", "text": "machine. You know this, Chris. And then"}, {"end": "01:43:43", "start": "01:43:37", "text": "I sort of start to lose steam. I'm like,"}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:40", "text": "what do I do next? And then it dawned on"}, {"end": "01:43:48", "start": "01:43:43", "text": "me that I really can't build much of"}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:44", "text": "anything. But that even more, I had no"}, {"end": "01:43:53", "start": "01:43:48", "text": "working theory of what a time machine"}, {"end": "01:43:56", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "would be or how it would work,"}, {"end": "01:43:57", "start": "01:43:53", "text": "even though I had a nice cache of of"}, {"end": "01:43:59", "start": "01:43:56", "text": "duct tape."}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:57", "text": "So, I just ran out and, you know, played"}, {"end": "01:44:05", "start": "01:43:59", "text": "with my friends outside. But I I'll"}, {"end": "01:44:06", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "never forget how booed I was by my dad's"}, {"end": "01:44:10", "start": "01:44:05", "text": "confidence that I could do the"}, {"end": "01:44:11", "start": "01:44:06", "text": "impossible. So that is almost like a"}, {"end": "01:44:15", "start": "01:44:10", "text": "little time machine story because"}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:11", "text": "whenever I say that I feel that exact"}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:15", "text": "crystal of emotion that I had at that"}, {"end": "01:44:18", "start": "01:44:17", "text": "moment."}, {"end": "01:44:20", "start": "01:44:17", "text": "Yeah. That you don't know that"}, {"end": "01:44:21", "start": "01:44:18", "text": "something's impossible therefore it can"}, {"end": "01:44:23", "start": "01:44:20", "text": "be done."}, {"end": "01:44:25", "start": "01:44:21", "text": "Yeah. That's a beautiful analogy with uh"}, {"end": "01:44:27", "start": "01:44:23", "text": "with a lot of things in life I think and"}, {"end": "01:44:29", "start": "01:44:25", "text": "that's a really important lesson for a"}, {"end": "01:44:31", "start": "01:44:27", "text": "lot of people as well is that a lot of"}, {"end": "01:44:34", "start": "01:44:29", "text": "people are fundamentally instilled with"}, {"end": "01:44:37", "start": "01:44:31", "text": "this idea that something isn't possible"}, {"end": "01:44:40", "start": "01:44:34", "text": "or they can't or they're not enough and"}, {"end": "01:44:43", "start": "01:44:37", "text": "that alone prevents it from happening"}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:40", "text": "that causes a time shift."}, {"end": "01:44:49", "start": "01:44:43", "text": "Yes. And so now here's me trying to"}, {"end": "01:44:51", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "demonstrate the objective reality of"}, {"end": "01:44:53", "start": "01:44:49", "text": "supernatural phenomena. Of course it's"}, {"end": "01:44:53", "start": "01:44:51", "text": "impossible, but that's maybe why we"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:53", "text": "could do it."}, {"end": "01:44:59", "start": "01:44:53", "text": "Yeah, exactly. That's beautiful. Um,"}, {"end": "01:45:01", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "great. I have some questions. Maybe only"}, {"end": "01:45:02", "start": "01:44:59", "text": "a couple because I think we touched on"}, {"end": "01:45:03", "start": "01:45:01", "text": "one of them already, but I have some"}, {"end": "01:45:07", "start": "01:45:02", "text": "questions from the audience."}, {"end": "01:45:07", "start": "01:45:03", "text": "We time traveled to the question."}, {"end": "01:45:15", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "Great question here. Uh, didn't write"}, {"end": "01:45:16", "start": "01:45:13", "text": "who this was by. I think JD says, uh,"}, {"end": "01:45:18", "start": "01:45:15", "text": "what's your favorite case that your"}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:16", "text": "father has worked on, and have you"}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:18", "text": "researched that case yourself?"}, {"end": "01:45:25", "start": "01:45:22", "text": "That's a tough one. We've already talked"}, {"end": "01:45:26", "start": "01:45:23", "text": "about Travis Walton,"}, {"end": "01:45:29", "start": "01:45:25", "text": "Pascula,"}, {"end": "01:45:31", "start": "01:45:26", "text": "uh, and Pascula. And I mentioned in"}, {"end": "01:45:35", "start": "01:45:29", "text": "passing Father Gil, so I'll go to this"}, {"end": "01:45:39", "start": "01:45:31", "text": "one. Father Gil was an Anglican"}, {"end": "01:45:42", "start": "01:45:35", "text": "missionary in Papa New Guinea. in either"}, {"end": "01:45:44", "start": "01:45:39", "text": "1959 or 61 had a sighting. Ray's inside"}, {"end": "01:45:46", "start": "01:45:42", "text": "for evening prayers. Here's commotion"}, {"end": "01:45:48", "start": "01:45:44", "text": "outside. Goes outside and sees a craft."}, {"end": "01:45:51", "start": "01:45:46", "text": "And he's the guy that was doing this on"}, {"end": "01:45:54", "start": "01:45:48", "text": "the spot trigonometric calculations."}, {"end": "01:45:58", "start": "01:45:51", "text": "And they see this craft hovering maybe"}, {"end": "01:46:01", "start": "01:45:54", "text": "about 500 ft. And at one point a hatch"}, {"end": "01:46:04", "start": "01:45:58", "text": "opens up and and entities come out."}, {"end": "01:46:08", "start": "01:46:01", "text": "Father Gil waves and they wave back"}, {"end": "01:46:10", "start": "01:46:04", "text": "and he goes back inside. Um, and there"}, {"end": "01:46:13", "start": "01:46:08", "text": "were other sightings that kind of uh map"}, {"end": "01:46:16", "start": "01:46:10", "text": "out a flight path, etc. And that was"}, {"end": "01:46:19", "start": "01:46:13", "text": "about it. So"}, {"end": "01:46:21", "start": "01:46:16", "text": "years later, and my father went there"}, {"end": "01:46:24", "start": "01:46:19", "text": "and investigated. Years later, Father"}, {"end": "01:46:27", "start": "01:46:21", "text": "Gil comes to Chicago for an ecumenical"}, {"end": "01:46:29", "start": "01:46:24", "text": "religious conference. He has not written"}, {"end": "01:46:31", "start": "01:46:27", "text": "a book. This is again just like in the"}, {"end": "01:46:34", "start": "01:46:29", "text": "Air Force, not fasttrack to advancement"}, {"end": "01:46:36", "start": "01:46:31", "text": "in a religious environment. and he's"}, {"end": "01:46:40", "start": "01:46:34", "text": "having dinner with us because he just"}, {"end": "01:46:43", "start": "01:46:36", "text": "happens to be in Chicago. Now, if you"}, {"end": "01:46:45", "start": "01:46:40", "text": "are a witness to a UFO event and you're"}, {"end": "01:46:47", "start": "01:46:43", "text": "coming to the Heinik house and you're"}, {"end": "01:46:50", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "eating our food, you're probably going"}, {"end": "01:46:53", "start": "01:46:47", "text": "to have to talk about it."}, {"end": "01:46:56", "start": "01:46:50", "text": "So, like with the woman who is the nanny"}, {"end": "01:46:59", "start": "01:46:53", "text": "on the spaceship, he didn't launch into"}, {"end": "01:47:01", "start": "01:46:56", "text": "it, but when my father or my mom brought"}, {"end": "01:47:03", "start": "01:46:59", "text": "it up, he started talking about it. And"}, {"end": "01:47:05", "start": "01:47:01", "text": "again, this is part of my dad's sort of"}, {"end": "01:47:08", "start": "01:47:03", "text": "longitudinal analysis to see if the"}, {"end": "01:47:13", "start": "01:47:05", "text": "story is consistent over time. And like"}, {"end": "01:47:15", "start": "01:47:08", "text": "Bob Monroe, I saw this man who was very"}, {"end": "01:47:17", "start": "01:47:13", "text": "intelligent, very comfortable in his"}, {"end": "01:47:20", "start": "01:47:15", "text": "skin,"}, {"end": "01:47:23", "start": "01:47:17", "text": "matterof factly, in an ordinary fashion,"}, {"end": "01:47:27", "start": "01:47:20", "text": "relating an extraordinary account,"}, {"end": "01:47:31", "start": "01:47:23", "text": "viewed by multiple other witnesses"}, {"end": "01:47:35", "start": "01:47:27", "text": "in a way that just screamed credibility"}, {"end": "01:47:38", "start": "01:47:31", "text": "of the witness. So, I'll go with that"}, {"end": "01:47:41", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "case JD as one that really stands out"}, {"end": "01:47:44", "start": "01:47:38", "text": "because of my personal interaction again"}, {"end": "01:47:47", "start": "01:47:41", "text": "with the witness and seeing my father"}, {"end": "01:47:50", "start": "01:47:44", "text": "and talking to my father about this case"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:47", "text": "with multiple witnesses. So, I'll go"}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:50", "text": "with that."}, {"end": "01:47:56", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "Did you ever conduct um investigations"}, {"end": "01:47:58", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "like I mean because you talked about"}, {"end": "01:48:01", "start": "01:47:56", "text": "going on investigations."}, {"end": "01:48:04", "start": "01:47:58", "text": "Oh, no. Okay. So, I think I mentioned I"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:01", "text": "tried to get my junior investigator,"}, {"end": "01:48:08", "start": "01:48:04", "text": "field investigator, merit badge. So,"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "that's right. I got sidetracked by"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:08", "text": "Prince Michael. Forget Prince Michael."}, {"end": "01:48:13", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "So, this guy calls up and he says,"}, {"end": "01:48:15", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "who the CIA is terrified of, by the way."}, {"end": "01:48:17", "start": "01:48:13", "text": "Yeah, good work. Uh, all of our"}, {"end": "01:48:20", "start": "01:48:15", "text": "three-letter government agency folks do"}, {"end": "01:48:21", "start": "01:48:17", "text": "a great job. So, um, this guy calls him"}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:20", "text": "and says, \"I'm an alien. I can prove it"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:21", "text": "by looking at the sun.\" Well, that was"}, {"end": "01:48:26", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "enough for me. So, I say, \"Dad, we got"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "to go and see him.\" And my dad says,"}, {"end": "01:48:32", "start": "01:48:26", "text": "\"Yes.\" So, we go out and see this guy"}, {"end": "01:48:34", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "and suburban Chicago, you know, normal"}, {"end": "01:48:36", "start": "01:48:32", "text": "type house. Knock on the door. Let's say"}, {"end": "01:48:38", "start": "01:48:34", "text": "his name is Robert. Hi, we're here to"}, {"end": "01:48:40", "start": "01:48:36", "text": "see Robert and it's this elderly couple."}, {"end": "01:48:42", "start": "01:48:38", "text": "He's like, uh, he's in the basement. Oh"}, {"end": "01:48:44", "start": "01:48:40", "text": "my god, this is not going well already."}, {"end": "01:48:46", "start": "01:48:42", "text": "My You don't need a spidey sense at this"}, {"end": "01:48:50", "start": "01:48:44", "text": "point to know what's going south. So, we"}, {"end": "01:48:52", "start": "01:48:46", "text": "go downstairs and there are thousands of"}, {"end": "01:48:54", "start": "01:48:50", "text": "pennies. I know Nelson likes dimes, but"}, {"end": "01:48:57", "start": "01:48:52", "text": "there are pennies. Thousands of them"}, {"end": "01:48:58", "start": "01:48:54", "text": "everywhere. Literally thousands glued"}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:57", "text": "everywhere on this ceiling, on the"}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:58", "text": "floor, on the walls, on the things,"}, {"end": "01:49:04", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "everywhere. I'm like,"}, {"end": "01:49:06", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "\"What's up with the pennies?\" I just"}, {"end": "01:49:10", "start": "01:49:04", "text": "blurted out. He said, \"Oh, the copper is"}, {"end": "01:49:12", "start": "01:49:06", "text": "just some kind of garbage.\" And then the"}, {"end": "01:49:15", "start": "01:49:10", "text": "next thing I remember was turns off the"}, {"end": "01:49:17", "start": "01:49:12", "text": "lights, turns on black lights, whips out"}, {"end": "01:49:20", "start": "01:49:15", "text": "a big hunting knife with like these"}, {"end": "01:49:21", "start": "01:49:17", "text": "Elvish runes on it. I'm like, I stand"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:20", "text": "between him and my dad. I'm like, I"}, {"end": "01:49:27", "start": "01:49:21", "text": "brought my dad. I got to, you know, I"}, {"end": "01:49:30", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "got to shield him. And And he's like"}, {"end": "01:49:32", "start": "01:49:27", "text": "just talking gibberish. And then I said,"}, {"end": "01:49:33", "start": "01:49:30", "text": "\"Uh,"}, {"end": "01:49:34", "start": "01:49:32", "text": "yeah, you said something about looking"}, {"end": "01:49:38", "start": "01:49:33", "text": "in the sun. How about we do that?\" He's"}, {"end": "01:49:40", "start": "01:49:34", "text": "like, \"Oh, okay.\" And so now we come out"}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:38", "text": "of like the wood panel den with the"}, {"end": "01:49:44", "start": "01:49:40", "text": "pennies everywhere. Go outside in the"}, {"end": "01:49:47", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "yard feeling better now. And my dad is"}, {"end": "01:49:49", "start": "01:49:44", "text": "already kind of looking sideways at me."}, {"end": "01:49:50", "start": "01:49:47", "text": "And um and he said, \"Look at the car.\""}, {"end": "01:49:52", "start": "01:49:49", "text": "Now there's a car in the driveway with"}, {"end": "01:49:54", "start": "01:49:50", "text": "pennies everywhere, including on the top"}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:52", "text": "of the cigarette lighter. That level of"}, {"end": "01:50:00", "start": "01:49:54", "text": "detail, you would appreciate that. And"}, {"end": "01:50:02", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "like, okay. So I said, \"So, okay, look"}, {"end": "01:50:03", "start": "01:50:00", "text": "at the sun now. It's a bright sunny"}, {"end": "01:50:05", "start": "01:50:02", "text": "day.\" And he starts looking at it. After"}, {"end": "01:50:06", "start": "01:50:03", "text": "like 5 seconds, my dad says, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:05", "text": "that's enough. That's enough proof.\""}, {"end": "01:50:11", "start": "01:50:06", "text": "Well, look at the time. We got to go."}, {"end": "01:50:16", "start": "01:50:09", "text": "I don't remember saying one word with my"}, {"end": "01:50:16", "start": "01:50:11", "text": "dad and a half hour drive home."}, {"end": "01:50:18", "start": "01:50:16", "text": "So,"}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:16", "text": "yeah. Well, I mean, that's so nice of"}, {"end": "01:50:22", "start": "01:50:18", "text": "your dad to be like, you know, taking"}, {"end": "01:50:24", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "clearly understanding probably that this"}, {"end": "01:50:26", "start": "01:50:22", "text": "is not going like I mean, he's a smart"}, {"end": "01:50:28", "start": "01:50:24", "text": "guy. He probably already knew where this"}, {"end": "01:50:29", "start": "01:50:26", "text": "was heading, but maybe wanted you to"}, {"end": "01:50:30", "start": "01:50:28", "text": "experience that."}, {"end": "01:50:31", "start": "01:50:29", "text": "Yeah. Thanks, Pops."}, {"end": "01:50:33", "start": "01:50:30", "text": "Yeah, that's a really cool story."}, {"end": "01:50:34", "start": "01:50:31", "text": "Pennies is interesting. The copper"}, {"end": "01:50:35", "start": "01:50:33", "text": "stuff. Did he What did he say about"}, {"end": "01:50:38", "start": "01:50:34", "text": "copper?"}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:35", "text": "It had no there was nothing valid. It"}, {"end": "01:50:44", "start": "01:50:38", "text": "was just some goofy"}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "strung together series of of theories."}, {"end": "01:50:46", "start": "01:50:44", "text": "Yeah, I don't remember. I mean, at that"}, {"end": "01:50:48", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "point, I was already like,"}, {"end": "01:50:49", "start": "01:50:46", "text": "\"Yeah, already skeptical.\""}, {"end": "01:50:51", "start": "01:50:48", "text": "Well, afraid."}, {"end": "01:50:54", "start": "01:50:49", "text": "Yeah. Afraid. Fair enough."}, {"end": "01:50:56", "start": "01:50:51", "text": "Disappointed that this is not going on"}, {"end": "01:50:58", "start": "01:50:54", "text": "the cover of the International UFO"}, {"end": "01:50:59", "start": "01:50:56", "text": "Reporter magazine, but that it's going"}, {"end": "01:51:00", "start": "01:50:58", "text": "to be a long drive home. Already at that"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:59", "text": "point, I knew"}, {"end": "01:51:05", "start": "01:51:00", "text": "I have a somebody who hit me up with a"}, {"end": "01:51:07", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "really interesting story uh involving"}, {"end": "01:51:09", "start": "01:51:05", "text": "copper. So, that was why I brought that"}, {"end": "01:51:11", "start": "01:51:07", "text": "up. Maybe I'll share that one day."}, {"end": "01:51:12", "start": "01:51:09", "text": "Um, but copper seems to be coming up"}, {"end": "01:51:13", "start": "01:51:11", "text": "quite a lot actually with a lot of"}, {"end": "01:51:16", "start": "01:51:12", "text": "beings. This is the only reason I ask."}, {"end": "01:51:19", "start": "01:51:13", "text": "uh it seems like such a benign sort of"}, {"end": "01:51:21", "start": "01:51:16", "text": "like uh element you know we make pennies"}, {"end": "01:51:22", "start": "01:51:19", "text": "out of it we don't really have any but"}, {"end": "01:51:25", "start": "01:51:21", "text": "plumbing"}, {"end": "01:51:27", "start": "01:51:22", "text": "but somehow you know also used in uh in"}, {"end": "01:51:29", "start": "01:51:25", "text": "a lot of conductivity"}, {"end": "01:51:31", "start": "01:51:27", "text": "um okay let's go next question here that"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:29", "text": "was great"}, {"end": "01:51:36", "start": "01:51:31", "text": "uh this one we answered so I'm not going"}, {"end": "01:51:38", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "to um I'm not going to get into it but"}, {"end": "01:51:40", "start": "01:51:36", "text": "essentially in forbidden science is uh"}, {"end": "01:51:42", "start": "01:51:38", "text": "forbidden science valet mentions uh your"}, {"end": "01:51:43", "start": "01:51:40", "text": "father's interest in rosacrruianism"}, {"end": "01:51:45", "start": "01:51:42", "text": "could you expand and a little. So,"}, {"end": "01:51:45", "start": "01:51:43", "text": "that's something we already kind of"}, {"end": "01:51:47", "start": "01:51:45", "text": "touched on."}, {"end": "01:51:52", "start": "01:51:45", "text": "We time traveled that"}, {"end": "01:51:55", "start": "01:51:47", "text": "Yeah, we did. Um, all right. Question"}, {"end": "01:51:56", "start": "01:51:52", "text": "here from uh someone who I think you"}, {"end": "01:51:58", "start": "01:51:55", "text": "should have a conversation with"}, {"end": "01:52:00", "start": "01:51:56", "text": "eventually."}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:51:58", "text": "There's a question from my friend Jesse"}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:52:00", "text": "Michaels from American Alchemy."}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:05", "text": "And no holding back on on the question"}, {"end": "01:52:12", "start": "01:52:07", "text": "here. Jesse writes, \"Was your father"}, {"end": "01:52:14", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "part of a deeper UFO program that went"}, {"end": "01:52:18", "start": "01:52:12", "text": "beyond Blue Book?\""}, {"end": "01:52:21", "start": "01:52:14", "text": "Well, he did work with Blue Book past"}, {"end": "01:52:23", "start": "01:52:18", "text": "the official"}, {"end": "01:52:27", "start": "01:52:21", "text": "cessation of Blue Book in December Janu"}, {"end": "01:52:30", "start": "01:52:23", "text": "December 69 u January 1970 as a"}, {"end": "01:52:32", "start": "01:52:27", "text": "consultant. I don't know the extent of"}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:30", "text": "that. Um and that sort of goes against"}, {"end": "01:52:37", "start": "01:52:32", "text": "the narrative that u they shut"}, {"end": "01:52:40", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "everything down. Now, I don't know. I"}, {"end": "01:52:42", "start": "01:52:37", "text": "mean, I've heard rumors of deeper"}, {"end": "01:52:45", "start": "01:52:40", "text": "involvement with other perhaps more"}, {"end": "01:52:48", "start": "01:52:42", "text": "serious government programs and I have"}, {"end": "01:52:50", "start": "01:52:45", "text": "to think and I know from Jacques and"}, {"end": "01:52:53", "start": "01:52:48", "text": "others that there are lots of talks with"}, {"end": "01:52:54", "start": "01:52:50", "text": "people air force generals etc. And there"}, {"end": "01:52:56", "start": "01:52:53", "text": "are several cases like hey come to the"}, {"end": "01:53:00", "start": "01:52:54", "text": "hanger at 5:00 we're going to show you"}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:56", "text": "but then the hanger is closed. So I"}, {"end": "01:53:07", "start": "01:53:00", "text": "don't know of an institutionalized"}, {"end": "01:53:10", "start": "01:53:03", "text": "involvement but more sort of ad hoc over"}, {"end": "01:53:14", "start": "01:53:07", "text": "time. Lots of conversations and a lot of"}, {"end": "01:53:18", "start": "01:53:10", "text": "them you know unsanctioned. H"}, {"end": "01:53:20", "start": "01:53:14", "text": "um but he was"}, {"end": "01:53:23", "start": "01:53:18", "text": "not only somebody knowledgeable and an"}, {"end": "01:53:26", "start": "01:53:20", "text": "astronomer but I think somebody that"}, {"end": "01:53:29", "start": "01:53:23", "text": "people felt they could"}, {"end": "01:53:31", "start": "01:53:26", "text": "be candid with and be very open that he"}, {"end": "01:53:34", "start": "01:53:29", "text": "could keep the secret and not you know"}, {"end": "01:53:36", "start": "01:53:31", "text": "ridicule them and he was especially"}, {"end": "01:53:38", "start": "01:53:34", "text": "responsive as I mentioned briefly to Air"}, {"end": "01:53:41", "start": "01:53:36", "text": "Force pilots. I mean, they're great"}, {"end": "01:53:45", "start": "01:53:38", "text": "observers. Great vision, um, calm under"}, {"end": "01:53:46", "start": "01:53:41", "text": "pressure, trained to spot objects,"}, {"end": "01:53:47", "start": "01:53:45", "text": "trained by the Air Force,"}, {"end": "01:53:49", "start": "01:53:46", "text": "and stable."}, {"end": "01:53:51", "start": "01:53:47", "text": "And stable, right? And again, not going"}, {"end": "01:53:53", "start": "01:53:49", "text": "on a book tour afterwards."}, {"end": "01:53:58", "start": "01:53:51", "text": "Yeah. Not showing you a million pennies."}, {"end": "01:54:00", "start": "01:53:53", "text": "Yeah. Right. Um, and so"}, {"end": "01:54:01", "start": "01:53:58", "text": "I know there were a lot of"}, {"end": "01:54:03", "start": "01:54:00", "text": "conversations. I just don't know how"}, {"end": "01:54:06", "start": "01:54:01", "text": "structured they were. And a lot of"}, {"end": "01:54:08", "start": "01:54:03", "text": "people came forward to him because he"}, {"end": "01:54:10", "start": "01:54:06", "text": "was seen as sort of a sympathetic"}, {"end": "01:54:13", "start": "01:54:08", "text": "clearing house."}, {"end": "01:54:15", "start": "01:54:10", "text": "Great. Yeah, man."}, {"end": "01:54:17", "start": "01:54:13", "text": "you ever find anything"}, {"end": "01:54:19", "start": "01:54:15", "text": "like"}, {"end": "01:54:21", "start": "01:54:17", "text": "you know that your father didn't share"}, {"end": "01:54:23", "start": "01:54:19", "text": "with you while he was around like post"}, {"end": "01:54:25", "start": "01:54:21", "text": "and you're like going through stuff or"}, {"end": "01:54:26", "start": "01:54:23", "text": "is everything anything ever come up"}, {"end": "01:54:28", "start": "01:54:25", "text": "where you're like oh I didn't know he"}, {"end": "01:54:30", "start": "01:54:26", "text": "was even if he met someone that you"}, {"end": "01:54:32", "start": "01:54:28", "text": "didn't know like was there any even like"}, {"end": "01:54:35", "start": "01:54:30", "text": "nonfo related like was there things that"}, {"end": "01:54:35", "start": "01:54:32", "text": "surprised you about him that you didn't"}, {"end": "01:54:37", "start": "01:54:35", "text": "know"}, {"end": "01:54:38", "start": "01:54:35", "text": "yeah and I think a lot of us go through"}, {"end": "01:54:40", "start": "01:54:37", "text": "with this with our parents because our"}, {"end": "01:54:42", "start": "01:54:38", "text": "parents don't often lead conversations I"}, {"end": "01:54:43", "start": "01:54:40", "text": "tell you the time about"}, {"end": "01:54:45", "start": "01:54:42", "text": "So, a lot of things like the"}, {"end": "01:54:48", "start": "01:54:43", "text": "correspondence with Arthur C. Clark, I"}, {"end": "01:54:50", "start": "01:54:45", "text": "had no idea. Um, met with Donald"}, {"end": "01:54:53", "start": "01:54:48", "text": "Rumsfeld, all sorts of meetings and"}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:50", "text": "things that I didn't know about. Um, and"}, {"end": "01:54:56", "start": "01:54:53", "text": "we talked earlier about the bets sphere."}, {"end": "01:54:58", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "This is kind of interesting example. I"}, {"end": "01:55:00", "start": "01:54:56", "text": "was asked when I was giving a"}, {"end": "01:55:02", "start": "01:54:58", "text": "presentation one day, hey Paul, I here's"}, {"end": "01:55:05", "start": "01:55:00", "text": "an article about the Bet Sphere from a"}, {"end": "01:55:06", "start": "01:55:02", "text": "famous case in Florida that your dad was"}, {"end": "01:55:08", "start": "01:55:05", "text": "involved in. Did you ever see the Bet"}, {"end": "01:55:10", "start": "01:55:06", "text": "Sphere? And I'd never heard of the"}, {"end": "01:55:13", "start": "01:55:08", "text": "Betsphere at the time. I said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:55:15", "start": "01:55:10", "text": "I remember when I was a teenager, my my"}, {"end": "01:55:17", "start": "01:55:13", "text": "younger brother and I, my dad came home"}, {"end": "01:55:18", "start": "01:55:15", "text": "one day with this big kind of weird"}, {"end": "01:55:21", "start": "01:55:17", "text": "metallic sphere, kind of like a bowling"}, {"end": "01:55:22", "start": "01:55:18", "text": "ball, all metal, and he just gave it to"}, {"end": "01:55:25", "start": "01:55:21", "text": "us, and we would sort of kick it around"}, {"end": "01:55:27", "start": "01:55:22", "text": "on the floor and and play with it.\" And"}, {"end": "01:55:29", "start": "01:55:25", "text": "I thought, I don't know if it's a bet or"}, {"end": "01:55:32", "start": "01:55:27", "text": "not. Um, but that's kind of an"}, {"end": "01:55:34", "start": "01:55:29", "text": "interesting out in the open hiding place"}, {"end": "01:55:36", "start": "01:55:32", "text": "to give it to your kids and not tell"}, {"end": "01:55:37", "start": "01:55:34", "text": "them there's anything special about it."}, {"end": "01:55:39", "start": "01:55:36", "text": "Now, I I I think it's probably not that"}, {"end": "01:55:41", "start": "01:55:37", "text": "because I think there was like a little"}, {"end": "01:55:44", "start": "01:55:39", "text": "seam where you could feel like the the"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:41", "text": "the metal was injected into it, but"}, {"end": "01:55:48", "start": "01:55:44", "text": "there's a lot of things that I've looked"}, {"end": "01:55:50", "start": "01:55:46", "text": "back and I' I've heard a lot of uh"}, {"end": "01:55:52", "start": "01:55:48", "text": "experiences."}, {"end": "01:55:56", "start": "01:55:50", "text": "Um Dave Schindler, who you may have met"}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:52", "text": "at Contact in the Desert, um was with uh"}, {"end": "01:56:02", "start": "01:55:56", "text": "Robert Salis, one of the many people at"}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "the Air Force bases in Montana in 1967"}, {"end": "01:56:09", "start": "01:56:02", "text": "when they were shut down ostensibly by"}, {"end": "01:56:10", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "UFOs. And talk about credible witnesses."}, {"end": "01:56:12", "start": "01:56:09", "text": "He came to me and said, \"Look, you're"}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:10", "text": "the one person I wanted to meet.\" And he"}, {"end": "01:56:17", "start": "01:56:12", "text": "came and talked about his experience and"}, {"end": "01:56:21", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "he's just the most honest, direct guy"}, {"end": "01:56:24", "start": "01:56:17", "text": "you can find. and he had a package of"}, {"end": "01:56:26", "start": "01:56:21", "text": "correspondence between my father and one"}, {"end": "01:56:27", "start": "01:56:24", "text": "of the people in that event. Now, I'd"}, {"end": "01:56:31", "start": "01:56:26", "text": "known Bob Salis for years, another"}, {"end": "01:56:32", "start": "01:56:27", "text": "unimpeachable standup guy. And but now"}, {"end": "01:56:34", "start": "01:56:31", "text": "here was correspondence, some"}, {"end": "01:56:38", "start": "01:56:32", "text": "handwritten between my father and one of"}, {"end": "01:56:41", "start": "01:56:34", "text": "the um military personnel. And one of"}, {"end": "01:56:43", "start": "01:56:38", "text": "the letters was my dad with his sense of"}, {"end": "01:56:45", "start": "01:56:41", "text": "humor saying, \"Uh, you can call off the"}, {"end": "01:56:47", "start": "01:56:43", "text": "dogs hunting for my jacket. I found it.\""}, {"end": "01:56:49", "start": "01:56:45", "text": "And now that that that's on brand for my"}, {"end": "01:56:52", "start": "01:56:47", "text": "father, you know, to be funny and to be"}, {"end": "01:56:55", "start": "01:56:49", "text": "absent- minded at the same time. So,"}, {"end": "01:56:56", "start": "01:56:52", "text": "it's things like that that you know,"}, {"end": "01:56:58", "start": "01:56:55", "text": "people talk about my dad involved in"}, {"end": "01:57:00", "start": "01:56:56", "text": "this, but when I see my dad's unique"}, {"end": "01:57:02", "start": "01:56:58", "text": "handwriting or I can see, yes, I know"}, {"end": "01:57:03", "start": "01:57:00", "text": "that's from my dad, it brings that case"}, {"end": "01:57:06", "start": "01:57:02", "text": "to life for me."}, {"end": "01:57:08", "start": "01:57:03", "text": "Beautiful. Um, I'm going to ask you just"}, {"end": "01:57:10", "start": "01:57:06", "text": "one last thing and thank you so much for"}, {"end": "01:57:13", "start": "01:57:08", "text": "sharing all that about your father and"}, {"end": "01:57:15", "start": "01:57:10", "text": "you know it's um it must not always be"}, {"end": "01:57:18", "start": "01:57:13", "text": "easy but it's it sounds like you you"}, {"end": "01:57:20", "start": "01:57:15", "text": "know have very fond memories of him and"}, {"end": "01:57:23", "start": "01:57:18", "text": "so you know maybe cathartic to some to"}, {"end": "01:57:25", "start": "01:57:20", "text": "some extent or so thank you for for"}, {"end": "01:57:27", "start": "01:57:23", "text": "indulging us and and and you know"}, {"end": "01:57:28", "start": "01:57:25", "text": "regailing us with those tales. Very much"}, {"end": "01:57:31", "start": "01:57:27", "text": "appreciated. But now I want to know"}, {"end": "01:57:34", "start": "01:57:28", "text": "what's Paul Heinick up to? What's next"}, {"end": "01:57:34", "start": "01:57:31", "text": "for you?"}, {"end": "01:57:39", "start": "01:57:34", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:57:41", "start": "01:57:36", "text": "I mentioned my passion for proof"}, {"end": "01:57:44", "start": "01:57:39", "text": "protocols"}, {"end": "01:57:44", "start": "01:57:41", "text": "because"}, {"end": "01:57:51", "start": "01:57:46", "text": "let's say we have a official capital D"}, {"end": "01:57:53", "start": "01:57:48", "text": "disclosure."}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:51", "text": "If it's a Republican administration, the"}, {"end": "01:57:55", "start": "01:57:53", "text": "Democrats won't believe it and vice"}, {"end": "01:57:58", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "versa."}, {"end": "01:57:59", "start": "01:57:55", "text": "Disclosure is not what it used to be."}, {"end": "01:58:02", "start": "01:57:58", "text": "And there's a lot of problems with"}, {"end": "01:58:05", "start": "01:57:59", "text": "priming the narrative, etc. for that."}, {"end": "01:58:08", "start": "01:58:02", "text": "But how would the world change if"}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:05", "text": "independent"}, {"end": "01:58:14", "start": "01:58:08", "text": "famous scientists say"}, {"end": "01:58:17", "start": "01:58:10", "text": "I have in my hand evidence that I don't"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:14", "text": "know what it says but it can't be"}, {"end": "01:58:22", "start": "01:58:17", "text": "explained and we're funding an institute"}, {"end": "01:58:25", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "to do this to replicate this more and"}, {"end": "01:58:27", "start": "01:58:22", "text": "publishing the guidelines for other"}, {"end": "01:58:30", "start": "01:58:25", "text": "people to do this to replicate it"}, {"end": "01:58:34", "start": "01:58:27", "text": "because I've never seen anything like"}, {"end": "01:58:37", "start": "01:58:30", "text": "this in my life And it involves the"}, {"end": "01:58:41", "start": "01:58:34", "text": "potentiality of nonhuman intelligence or"}, {"end": "01:58:43", "start": "01:58:37", "text": "of capabilities that we shouldn't seem"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:41", "text": "to have"}, {"end": "01:58:49", "start": "01:58:43", "text": "and that gets promulgated and echoed and"}, {"end": "01:58:51", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "amplified."}, {"end": "01:58:54", "start": "01:58:49", "text": "That's exposure that will change the"}, {"end": "01:58:57", "start": "01:58:51", "text": "world. So my passion"}, {"end": "01:59:00", "start": "01:58:54", "text": "is the various modalities of talking to"}, {"end": "01:59:02", "start": "01:58:57", "text": "experiencers, creating a protocol to"}, {"end": "01:59:05", "start": "01:59:00", "text": "enable experiences of all kinds of"}, {"end": "01:59:07", "start": "01:59:02", "text": "things where they say I have contact"}, {"end": "01:59:10", "start": "01:59:05", "text": "with something that seems to be what we"}, {"end": "01:59:14", "start": "01:59:07", "text": "would consider metestrial,"}, {"end": "01:59:20", "start": "01:59:10", "text": "my own investigations with DMT"}, {"end": "01:59:22", "start": "01:59:14", "text": "to try to show the world beyond"}, {"end": "01:59:24", "start": "01:59:20", "text": "a shadow of a doubt"}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:22", "text": "that what many traditions, what many"}, {"end": "01:59:30", "start": "01:59:24", "text": "individuals, what many groups"}, {"end": "01:59:35", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "have talked about out there"}, {"end": "01:59:37", "start": "01:59:30", "text": "is there and is accessible and is coming"}, {"end": "01:59:39", "start": "01:59:35", "text": "to us with information."}, {"end": "01:59:41", "start": "01:59:37", "text": "That's wonderful. Is there a place where"}, {"end": "01:59:43", "start": "01:59:39", "text": "people can reach you if they should want"}, {"end": "01:59:45", "start": "01:59:41", "text": "to reach out or do you want to keep that"}, {"end": "01:59:46", "start": "01:59:43", "text": "do you want to keep that close to you?"}, {"end": "01:59:50", "start": "01:59:45", "text": "Yeah, I have a pretty anemic social"}, {"end": "01:59:52", "start": "01:59:46", "text": "media footprint. Uh maybe Twitter or if"}, {"end": "01:59:54", "start": "01:59:50", "text": "someone really has something they want"}, {"end": "01:59:56", "start": "01:59:52", "text": "to to share with me, they can find me."}, {"end": "01:59:57", "start": "01:59:54", "text": "They I'm they can hunt down the scurvy"}, {"end": "01:59:59", "start": "01:59:56", "text": "dog that I am."}, {"end": "02:00:00", "start": "01:59:57", "text": "Okay, good enough. Fair enough. Paul,"}, {"end": "02:00:02", "start": "01:59:59", "text": "thanks for your time. Um I really"}, {"end": "02:00:04", "start": "02:00:00", "text": "appreciate this conversation. This has"}, {"end": "02:00:06", "start": "02:00:02", "text": "been super enlightening, fun. You're"}, {"end": "02:00:08", "start": "02:00:04", "text": "such a charismatic and funny person and"}, {"end": "02:00:09", "start": "02:00:06", "text": "and it's such a joy to meet you and talk"}, {"end": "02:00:09", "start": "02:00:08", "text": "with you."}, {"end": "02:00:11", "start": "02:00:09", "text": "Pleasure."}, {"end": "02:00:14", "start": "02:00:09", "text": "Um I was wondering if you'd like to stay"}, {"end": "02:00:17", "start": "02:00:11", "text": "for an extra 20 minutes. Um, we're going"}, {"end": "02:00:19", "start": "02:00:14", "text": "to end this public interview and go into"}, {"end": "02:00:21", "start": "02:00:17", "text": "a bit of a deeper skiff and just kind of"}, {"end": "02:00:23", "start": "02:00:19", "text": "let loose a little bit for the members"}, {"end": "02:00:24", "start": "02:00:21", "text": "if that's cool."}, {"end": "02:00:26", "start": "02:00:23", "text": "25 minutes."}, {"end": "02:00:29", "start": "02:00:24", "text": "25 minutes even better. Okay, accepted."}, {"end": "02:00:31", "start": "02:00:26", "text": "Uh, thanks so much uh Paul Heinekick for"}, {"end": "02:00:33", "start": "02:00:29", "text": "your time here. Uh, folks, thank you"}, {"end": "02:00:35", "start": "02:00:31", "text": "guys for watching and if you want to"}, {"end": "02:00:37", "start": "02:00:33", "text": "become uh part you want to be a member,"}, {"end": "02:00:39", "start": "02:00:35", "text": "want to become part of the internship,"}, {"end": "02:00:40", "start": "02:00:37", "text": "uh, do so and then we can continue the"}, {"end": "02:00:44", "start": "02:00:39", "text": "conversation over there. And until then,"}, {"end": "02:00:44", "start": "02:00:40", "text": "we'll see you next time."}, {"end": "02:00:51", "start": "02:00:46", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "02:00:59", "start": "02:00:54", "text": "[Music]"}]

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And I said, \"That"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "house.\" And they said, \"No, not that"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "house.\" And I said, \"No, that house.\""}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "You go on what's called location scouts."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "There's about 20 or 30 people. You're in"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "a bus and they're all kind of whispering"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "to each other. And eventually the"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "caretaker undoes the gate and opens it"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "up, but he won't go inside. You walked"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "in this house and all I can say there"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "was a heaviness. There were mattresses"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "all over the floor and there was like"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "residual of wax. And then I started"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "noticing there were masks on the ground"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "on all the doorways and all the windows."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "There was this symbol and it was an H"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "symbol, but it wasn't an H. It was a"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "weird looking H. We found out it was"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "something that meant umo. And I was"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "like, what is umo?"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "In the 1960s, these mysterious letters"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "and 70s uh started popping up around uh"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "Europe, but especially France and Spain."}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Umo was apparently an extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "planet that exists, you know, 14.6"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "million lighty years away. And these"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "people basically disseminated"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "information from their culture"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "throughout these letters. It wasn't like"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "one payload. It was multiple payloads to"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "multiple people over multiple places."}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "Now the debate comes can one person"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "write all of this. French computer"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "scientist Jean Piaetsi he studied umo."}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "So he had models on magneetto"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "hydrodnamics that were based on some of"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "these papers. So they were legitimate"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "theories. So now you have this guy"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "saying oh it was me all along. Sorry"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "about that. It was just a big joke. Well"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "his son went on a rampage. There was a"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "protest in the middle of a theater."}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "stopped the screening as I remember."}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "That started what I would consider to be"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "the most um horrific 10 days of my adult"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "life. There's a shot where they're"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "standing on the beach and behind them"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "you can see the house. And in the house"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "um there are these three large"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "picturesque windows, but the curtains"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "were on the outside, not the inside. And"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "they're wooden. And so to open one of"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "these things, you have to be inside the"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "house and on a pulley system and you"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "have to use both hands to pull because"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "they're heavy. Well, we shot in that"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "room and the curtains were broken. You"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "could not open them and so they had to"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "remain shut. In this shot in the beach,"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "all of a sudden you see every window"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "open, open them. Yeah. And um it almost"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "looked like a visual effect. There was a"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "a small window is all I can say with an"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "H over it. Ask my assistant. I want to"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "know what's on the other side of that."}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "And he broke in the wall. It was a room"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "and inside this room there's an altar."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "The previous owner of the house uh was"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "in the middle of a divorce. Uh they were"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "sharing custody and he buried her body"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "in the house."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "Hey, just calling to report a sighting"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "about 2 years ago in October in"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "Tennessee Crossville. was riding my"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "motorcycle and came over a hill and uh I"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "looked up over the tree line right in"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "front of me a mile away or so. Um it was"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "a football-shaped craft"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "uh just kind of just above the tree line"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "there. Uh I'm a follower of David"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "Politis and he said you can't take your"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "eyes off this thing otherwise it'll"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "it'll disappear and looked off to the"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "left, looked back and it was gone. Um,"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "that pretty much confirmed it for me."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "Today we are joined by a good friend of"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "mine who's become a good friend of mine"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "in the last uh several years. How long"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "have we known each other? 2018 I think I"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "reached out to you. Whoa. So 7 years"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "already. Yeah. Uh this is Hollywood"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "director and director of Saw 2, three,"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "4, and Spiral among so many other"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "horrific projects. And by horrific I"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "mean that in a literal sense. Uh Darren"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "Bowsman, welcome and thank you for"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "joining me. This is so uh surreal to be"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "sitting in the skiff. You're a fan of"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "the show. Oh, dude, I've watched every"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "episode and uh I I get jealous. You"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "you've actually become a bigger director"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "than I have. Uh your just insanity. It's"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "great. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a labor"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "of love as you know. And you're um this"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "is really exciting and we're going to"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "mention this off the top because you are"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "getting into the podcast space as well."}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "Yeah. Um, this this uh last couple of"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "weeks we've just dropped our first few"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "episodes uh called Darren and Josh Make"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "a Movie. And with Josh Stoman, Joshu"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "Josh Stolberg who Yeah. who wrote"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "Spiral, who wrote your your scene in"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Spiral. Uh, and basically we're going to"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "take audience kind of like a project"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "greenlight through inception of an idea"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "all the way through the distribution"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "uh of of actually getting the movie out"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "made into theaters and they can follow"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "along week to week as we go through that"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "process through the hurdles and and"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "victories and tragedies. That's amazing."}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "It's such an exciting uh venture as well"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "to be able to take the audience through"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "that. And I think it's really um what"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "people want more and more, right? They"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "want to know. It's why a lot of these"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "people sign up for like the behind"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "thescenes membership stuff. They want to"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "see what's going on and how this stuff"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "works. I didn't realize how complicated"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "and arduous uh creating a podcast was"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "specifically with video. Uh you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "I've directed 18 movies uh and I think"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "I've had more breakdowns in the last"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "couple of months with uh this filming"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "the podcast than I have any film. So uh"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "kudos to you for being able to put out"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "really cool content. Yeah. And for those"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "who don't believe me at home, uh how"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "many people you how many people do I"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "have in the studio helping me with this"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "right now? uh there would be zero. Uh I"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "was I was kind of shocked. You walk into"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "this and it's such a huge warehouse and"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "it's just you and some cameras. Uh so"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "it's uh more impressed now than I was"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "walking in. Well, thank you. I"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "appreciate that. It means a lot coming"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "from you, Mr. Hollywood director. Um"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Darren, we're going to be talking about"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "some really interesting stuff. And I've"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "been so excited to get you on the"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "podcast because a lot of people who"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "listen, they understand that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "we talk to whistleblowers, witnesses,"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "experiencers, all sorts of people from"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "the military and three-letter agencies,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "but I also find it really fascinating to"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "have people who help further the"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "conversation in the entertainment field"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "as well, cuz you know, for me,"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "entertainment is a valuable means to"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "absorb information. And you know, you"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "look at I always say the three Georgees,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "George Orwell,"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "George Carlin, and George Lucas, you"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "know, you look at they taught me a lot."}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "Yeah, that's great. You know, so um and"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "it was all through entertainment. I"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "mean, I think that's why I learned uh my"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "real education came through film and uh"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "through TV. Uh I never was really great"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "at reading books smarts ed you know"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "going to school but I I I would pick up"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "ideas and concepts watching movies and"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "it's such a great way I think to"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "disseminate information. Yeah. Uh you"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "know through through film um yeah"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "there's uh and we're going to be talking"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "about that. I'm really excited. That's"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "actually one of the things I'm most"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "excited about uh is talking about"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "movies, you know, UFO alien movies and"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "that type of thing. But before we get"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "into that, something interesting"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "happened a few weeks ago. Um, you were"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "watching one of these episodes and I was"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "shooting some B-roll. I put some B-roll"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "in and there was a book that caught your"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "eye. You want to you want to take it"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "from there? Yeah. So, I've watched every"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "episode. Um, and you know, it's even if"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "I didn't know you and we weren't"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "friends, uh, I I seek out uh UFO,"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "paranormal, occult uh podcasts. Um, so"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "you know, on yours, like I was watching"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "it irregardless of of our relationship"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "and I I loved the little details. I love"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "your cutaways. I love, you know, all of"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "those things. And and something caught"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "my eye is you had a book that said UMO"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "on it. And I would consider myself"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "pretty versed in in the UFO world. But"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "it's it's a very um not a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "know about UMO. It's not one of those"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "things that you talk about a lot. And um"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "I had a very impactful traumatic uh"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "experience with the name UMO and uh the"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "the UMO UFO thing and I I reached out to"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "you and I was like, \"Dude, is that what"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "I think? Did I just see an UMO book?\" It"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "was pretty crazy. Yeah. And to just to"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "catch people up a little bit because"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "this is something that I've been looking"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "into, especially since Darren had"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "mentioned it and we had agreed on this"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "podcast. I was like, I got to go down"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "this rabbit hole. And you know, I read"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "the first almost the first volume of"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "that book, went online, and so to give"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "you a brief little history for those of"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "you at home listening, uh, in the 1960s,"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "these mysterious letters and '7s uh,"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "started popping up around uh, Europe,"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "but especially France and Spain. Now,"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "these letters were typed like with a"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "typewriter, and they all had this little"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "symbol on it known as like the UMO"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "symbol. Well, UMO was apparently an"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "extraterrestrial planet that exists, you"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "know, 14.6 six million light years away."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "And these people basically disseminated"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "information from their culture and their"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "sciences and their astronomy uh"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "throughout these letters and sent them"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "across Europe. Laughable at first. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "I mean, they hundreds of letters. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "Um and I I think what's really"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "interesting, it did not go to one. It"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "wasn't like one payload. It was multiple"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "payloads to multiple people over"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "multiple places. uh over multiple uh"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "years in multiple languages in decades."}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "uh and people started to get together"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "and they would share the letters and"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "they would they would go through the"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "letters and what was fascinating is"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "these letters were were not only"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "scientific in nature um but they dealt"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "with things that at that time I mean you"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "didn't have Google you couldn't just"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "pull this information down um they were"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "dense uh and it and it really started to"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "make an impact this uh this idea of UMA"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "which I think it started originally with"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "UFO sightings it started with a few"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "sightings and pictures of someone"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "witnessing a saucer. It's the classic"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "saucer shape in the sky with this really"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "unique H symbol um kind of in the bottom"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "of it. And then more people started"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "seeing it and then the letters started"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "appearing. Uh so yeah, so I never heard"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "of this um until uh 2010. Uh I got uh"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "lucky to go to Spain to Barcelona to"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "shoot a film. And uh I I hear myself"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "telling this story and I I feel like an"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "insane person and I know that if my"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "mother tunes into this, she'll say,"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "\"Stop talking about it. You seem"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "insane.\" But um you're in the right"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "place. I know. Uh so my wife, who is,"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "you know, she's avid and speaks Spanish"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "and she's she can do Catalon and all of"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "that. And in Barcelona, that's what it"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "is. In this movie, uh, we needed a a a"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "location that I wanted to be the the"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "kind of backdrop and it need I wanted a"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "really unique looking house. And I kept"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "getting uh the location people would"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "send me house after house and nothing"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "worked. And then I was going through"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "location library and I found this house."}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "And I said, \"That house.\" And they said,"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "\"No, not that house.\" And I said, \"No,"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "that house.\" And they said, \"No, we're"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "not. We're not going to go to that"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "house.\" And after uh weeks of me turning"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "down the houses, I went back and I said,"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "\"This is the house I want.\" And they"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "finally said, \"Listen, we don't"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "recommend, but we'll take you there and"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "show it to you.\" And um immediately"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "when we arrived, there was uh there was"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "this energy on the bus and everyone was"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "rapidly speaking around me and I didn't"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "understand what they were saying. And uh"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "we get out and some of the people stayed"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "in the bus and that was my first clue"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "that uh something was weird. Wow. And uh"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "I was like, \"Okay.\" And I get out and"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "this is this this feels fake me telling"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "the story now. I hear it and I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "\"This is bullshit.\" But it's not. We get"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "out and there's a man who is a caretaker"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "of the house and he's kind of pacing"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "back and forth and it's beautiful. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "on the Mediterranean Sea and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "surrounded by these mansions. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "beautiful. And um we get out and he"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "talks to the producer and they're"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "they're kind of rapidly talking back and"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "forth and it's getting heated and I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "seeing the crew. You go on what's called"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "location scouts. There's about 20 or 30"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "people. You're in a bus and they're all"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "kind of whispering to each other. And"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "eventually the caretaker undoes the gate"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "and opens it up, but he won't go inside."}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "And um we see him standing out there and"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "he's smoking. He's like chain smoking."}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "And now I'm seeing more of the crew that"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "are not coming through the gate. Maybe I"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "don't know 18 of us went and there was"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "about six or seven of us that stayed"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "behind. And we get in and I didn't"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "notice it at first. They open the door"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "up and there there was like a wait and"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "and by the way at this point in my life"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "I I've never experienced anything"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "supernatural. Um I've always wanted to"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "but I can say I've never seen anything,"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "never felt anything. You walked in this"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "house and all I can say there was a"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "heaviness that that hit you. And uh the"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "first thing that was kind of weird is"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "the house was empty. Uh but there were"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "mattresses all over the floor. Um"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "mattresses in every room. Uh and there"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "was like residual of wax. Uh and then I"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "started noticing there were masks on the"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "ground and it very much looked like a"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "eyes wide shut party and I was like all"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "right whatever. Like people people do"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "that. That's is that why people are not"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "coming in? Um, but then I started"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "noticing on all the doorways and all the"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "windows there was this symbol and it was"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "an H symbol, but it wasn't an H. It was"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "a weird looking H. And um, we walk"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "through the house and I I noticed the"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "H's, but it didn't really click with me."}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "And I leave and I say, \"That's the house"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "I want.\" And they try to talk me out of"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "it again. And now I'm starting to get"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "upset because why is this production"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "company trying to talk me out of"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "shooting here? I had my wife come back"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "the next day. They were doing a another"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "uh walkthrough. This time it was with"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "what's called G& or Griffin Electric"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "where they had to figure out where they"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "were going to put the trucks and pull"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "electricity. And I wanted my wife to go"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "cuz I wanted to know what they weren't"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "telling me. And um in the bus, Laura is"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "like leaning over to me and she says,"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "\"They're talking about this cult and"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "everyone doesn't want to be"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "disrespectful. They don't want to do"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "these things because of this cult.\" And"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "I said, \"What cult?\" So, we get there"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "and um there is a a prominent H over the"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "front door and um no one wants to go"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "past it, that no one wants to open the"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "door. No one wants to touch the H. And"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "we found out it was something that meant"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "umo. And I was like, what is UMO? And"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "they said, oh, it was a it was a Spanish"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "thing. It was, you know, some people"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "still rever it and they believe in it"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "and it's it's not considered um polite"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "to move it. And my wife, and this is"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "walks up to it and pulls it down, and I"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "think she called them something. She"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "said, \"You guys are a bunch of wussies.\""}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "And takes it down and throws it kind of"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "on the ground. Let's cut to 24 hours"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "later. My wife is in a hospital. She's"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "hallucinating um tremendously. She ended"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "up being bedridden for about 5 days. Um"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "Whoa. Uh that started what I would"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "consider to be the most um horrific 10"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "days of my adult life of just insanity"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "occurring um in and around us where we"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "removed all the hes in the house. Um and"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "we started finding things in the house"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "that didn't make sense. Um did did you"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "keep any of those? No. There there are"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "videos uh online. Is it downstairs? It's"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "downstairs."}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "Yeah. So here's what I want you guys to"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "do. I'm serious about this. I am very"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "superstitious. I don't want any cold"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "stuff here. Get get the cold get the get"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "get that Humo stuff and get it out of"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "here. Um, now while this is all"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "happening, I'm sending footage back to"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "the distributor and they think we're"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "setting it up. And they literally said,"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "\"Is this a publicity thing?\" And I'm"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "like, \"No, this is all right now. What"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "you're seeing is real.\" Now, over the"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "course of the 3 weeks we were in the"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "house, we probably lost a third of the"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "crew members that quit. No way. Uh, we"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "had one that was pushed down the stairs."}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "Uh it was the second ad um who broke his"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "ankle. Tim, have you had any crazy"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "experiences here yet? I have not been"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "harmed. I'll say that. But uh that's"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "miraculous seeing as even our camera"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "woman right now went through her own bit"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "of violent illness when she walked in"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "the house. Then we had a broken foot. We"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "had uh a severe head trauma twice severe"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "head trauma and a bit of locowness. Uh"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "one of the associate producers quit. um"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "the continuity person who is my right"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "hand on a movie, a continuity person"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "sits with the script and they make sure"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "that I am not forgetting lines in the"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "script and if someone's holding a drink"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "in their right hand the next take it's"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "not in their left hand. She began to"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "have hallucinations and get physically"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "ill. So this is about maybe 8th or ninth"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "day that we're there and I start"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "thinking, you know, I I still am not"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "going supernatural yet. I'm there"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "there's got to be a logical explanation"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "for this. So I asked my assistant to"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "find out if we can have um some mold"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "remediation. I want to have the air"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "tested. I if we're in a place I want"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "this house is very old. Yeah. So we do"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "and it comes back completely clean. And"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "then one of the producers finally comes"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "up to me and tells me what was going on"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "with the guy the caretaker. And it gets"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "revealed to me that this house was a"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "meeting place for this cult called UMO."}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "And at that point I still don't know"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "what UMO is. And I was spelling it like"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "it uh it was an H. So I'm spelling it H"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "O M M O Humo. And that's not how it was"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "spelled. Um, and so now I'm able to"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "actually go on and and research what UMO"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "is and um, which leads me down this"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "rabbit hole of this fascinating UFO"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "thing that took place and and still I"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "don't want to say it's prevalent, but it"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "it's still very much around. You ever"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "searched up something weird like how to"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "tell if my neighbor's a lizard"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "and suddenly your inbox fills up with"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "spam and your phone starts ringing from"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "numbers that don't exist?"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "Well, yeah, that's data brokers. These"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "companies collect and sell your personal"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "info, your name, your email, shopping"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "habits, and even your address. They"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "basically package you up and auction you"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "off to the highest bidder. Incogn puts a"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "stop to that. It's a service that sends"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "legal removal requests to these data"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "brokers on your behalf. Not politely,"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "mind you, legally. They have to delete"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "your info. Incognles everything from the"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "paperwork, the follow-ups, the digital"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "janitor work. You just sign up, sit"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "back, and watch your data quietly vanish"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "like it never existed. So, if you're"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "into aliens, conspiracies, or just don't"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "want strangers knowing what brand of"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "socks you buy, this is essential. Click"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "the link in the description or go to"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "incogn.com/eria52"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "and use code area52 to save 60% off your"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "annual plan. The truth is out there, but"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "your data doesn't have to be. It's Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "it's still around. There's still, they"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "call them the Umites, the people who"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "follow the word of UMO. And for those of"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "you wondering at home being like, well,"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "how I mean, obviously this is just a"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "hoax, right? You're thinking at home,"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "this is obviously just a hoax. But to"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "give you a little bit of context here,"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "I'll I'll just read a few things that"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "have come to light with these documents."}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "And so the letters included diagrams"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "also of these spacecraft, advanced"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "theories of physics and even"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "philosophical commentary. They run"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "through the language, uh, sociological"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "things, cosmology, every absolutely"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "every aspect of their civilization. Um,"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "and what made them different was the"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "consistency and complexity of these"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "letters. So these letters across the"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "board didn't cancel each other out. So"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "if this was a team of people, which a"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "lot of people suspected it was because"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "of the vast reaching sort of knowledge"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "that was, you know, put into these"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "documents, you would have to expect it's"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "a lot of people. But they had concepts"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "in there that weren't even theoretically"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "out there yet in terms of physics. So um"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "concepts like communication via nutrinos"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "and early mention of dark matter, which"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "was way ahead of its time at that point."}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "Um, and you know, some of some of the"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "stuff mimicked cutting edge theories"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "years before they were widely accepted,"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "loosely resembling uh string theory,"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "neural networks, and multiverse"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "structures. So, if you're a lay person"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "reading this stuff, I tried to, it is,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "it hurts, dude. Well, it hurts your"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "head. And I think that So, so now we're"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "a couple of weeks in the shooting of"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "this place and and I find out that it's"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "a UFO, Colt. And I've always been"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "fascinated with UFOs. I mean, I think"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "the first adult book that I read growing"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "up, and this is 100% accurate, was"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "Communion because like VHS's when you"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "would, you know, when you grow up in the"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "'8s, uh, you would choose movies based"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "on the box art. I chose books by the box"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "art, too. And so, when you go see that,"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "you know, that face, that was one of the"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "first, I remember adult books that I"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "read. So, I'm I've been fascinated with"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "UFOs since a kid, but it's something"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "that I felt that I didn't know about."}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "So, I became obsessed with figuring out"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "what this house was insane. Um it was it"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "had staircases that went nowhere. Um one"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "of the things and I think it's in the"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "documentary if you if you go on YouTube"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "there's by the way the movie you were"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "shooting 11 1111 which which we're going"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "to get because I want to talk to you"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "about the 11-1ven phenomenon. Um and by"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "the way for those listening or watching"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "the movie is terrible. Um the the story"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "that takes and partially we were talking"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "about this uh before we began is I feel"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "like I lost my mind a little bit. It was"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "the one time in my film making career"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "that I went down a rabbit hole I"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "couldn't pull myself out of. And um I"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "became obsessed uh with everything that"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "was happening and me trying to find a"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "rational explanation for it. Uh at this"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "point, you know, I was very much"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "ingrained in the horror world. I loved"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "Macob, but to have it happening all"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "around me, people getting sick, people"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "falling down staircases. Um, one of the"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "things that I think was the most um,"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "shocking thing to me that had happened,"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "our DP, uh, guy named Joseph White, uh,"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "I fly him in from Los Angeles and he"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "hears these stories. I'm telling him,"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "\"Dude, there's these there's a cult"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "here. It's called UMO and it was a UFO"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "thing.\" And he's laughing. He was like,"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "\"Dude, do you hear how insane you"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "sound?\" And I I was like, \"Dude, you"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "don't understand.\" So, he arrives uh, 2"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "days before filming. And I I hear him."}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "I'm upstairs and I hear him come in the"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "door and he's like, \"Where's Bowsman? I"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "want to see this haunted place.\" And"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "this is again, it sounds fake me telling"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "the story. Um I'm looking down from this"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "um kind of uh I can see down to this"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "very grand entryway. Um and I was like,"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "\"Yo, Joe.\" And he looks up and he's"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "like, \"I still don't believe in this"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "bullshit.\" And I'll never forget this. I"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "hear a noise. And um I hear one of the"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "the guys that's on the G& department"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "tell Joe to move. And almost instantly,"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "the chandelier that was just hung"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "collapses and falls directly where he"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "was just standing. Oh my god. So, I'm"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "like, and again, I'm still wrestling"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "with a what does supernatural ghost"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "stuff have to do with the UFO cult,"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "which led us to pull the the information"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "on the house and the sorted history of"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "this house, which was which was insane."}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "Um, so during the process of filming,"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "I'm not focused on the movie. I'm"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "focused on the mythology of this house,"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "this UMO cult. Um, and what I think I"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "found fascinating is, and I was talking"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "to you about this, was not only is there"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "a fascinating story about about the"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "origins of UMO. Um, but it spawned other"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "things. Uh, cults, uh, something called"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "Daughters of UMO, uh, something called,"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "I think it was the Adal Vice Foundation,"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "which was a, uh, a cult in the true"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "sense of the word, where they were"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "branding kids. It was basically like a"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "boy scout thing that started and they"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "were branding kids with the UMO sigil on"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "their skin. Um it it it got dark uh and"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "people went way overboard basically uh"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "living by these documents that that were"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "you know mysteriously produced. Uh and"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "so I just became fascinated and I think"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "it was my one of my first real itches"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "into this world of you know trying to"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "uncover the mysterious. And so while I"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "should be making a movie, I am staying"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "up all night and drinking too much"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "scotch being like, \"Oh my god, listen"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "what happened here with the UMOS and"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "this and this and this.\" And uh you can"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "tell when you watch the movie because"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "the movie is pretty bad. But um it was"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "uh it was crazy and it was it was such a"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "little known I think um we've all heard"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "a lot of the same UFO stories, you know,"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "the the Betty and Barney Hill story and"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "all of these, but I never heard about"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "UMO. Yeah, UMO is one of those uh it's"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "one of the ones that Wendell Stevens uh"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "you know he put out a whole bunch of"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "contact books that I'm obsessed with"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "because again these are the lesserk"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "known stories but that are quite"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "extensive in terms of documentation in"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "terms of sightings. There's even a"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "sighting I think in 1989 in Russia and"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "the name eludes me right now but in"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "Russia uh it was witnessed by children"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "and a police officer. So, a police"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "officer and a bunch of children"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "witnessed this craft come down, the"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "doors open up, and and the toaster man."}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "Yeah. There was like this robotic sort"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "of toaster. And that sort of toaster"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "man, you know what that was? That was"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "because apparently the person uh dressed"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "up as a human would use that to uh"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "destroy the clothes. So, it was like a"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "shredder that followed him around. And"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "then there was this giant sort of"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "three-eyed being with the symbol of UMO"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "on its torso. This being here. Well,"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "check that out. Oh,"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "that's you're a fan of ephemera. I I am."}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "That is uh and this is what I think I"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "find so fascinating about this case is I"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "I'm fascinated with religion. I'm"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "fascinated with the occult and the"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "esoteric. And I think a lot of it has to"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "you can you can start it right here with"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "with the research of UMO. Um there's a"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "large section of the population that"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "that um are convinced 100% it was a hoax"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "because the the man uh Jose Pena on his"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "deathbed basically admitted to it and he"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "said I did this um I wanted to do an"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "experiment to see that our belief could"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "we could we convince a population to"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "believe in something just based on faith"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "we're going to put these documents out"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "and uh by the time that he was d it it"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "had taken on a life of its own. It had"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "it had grown. It had expanded. It had"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "gone across continents and it was unable"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "to be stopped at that point. But then"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "later after his death, uh it was"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "revealed that no, maybe he didn't start"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "it. Maybe he was told to say he started"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "it to to basically uh help keep it"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "mysterious. I mean, you know a lot about"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "that too about the Yeah. Yeah. So 1993,"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "uh he came forward to say basically that"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "he was responsible for concocting this"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "thing as a social experiment. Now uh"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "Jose Pina is an interesting character"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "because he was a trained psychologist"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "and sociologist with like a deep"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "interest in parasychology in fringe"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "physics. Um now the debate comes can one"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "person write all of this and if you're"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "at home and just you want to look into"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "it just Google some of the UMO documents"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "and try to have a read through. It is"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "mindbendingly difficult to read. And"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "when scientists were given this, there's"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "all sorts of scientists by the way."}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "There's a there's even a computer"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "scientist, a French computer scientist,"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "Jean Piaetsi. He studied UMO and he had"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "he published um his own models basically"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "were based off of UNO UMO. So he had"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "models on magneetto hydronamics that"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "were based on some of these papers. So"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "they were legitimate theories. They"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "weren't just halfbrain concocted ideas."}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "So now you have this guy saying, \"Oh, it"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "was me all along. Sorry about that. It"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "was just a big joke. Well, his son went"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "on a rampage. I heard a screening. I"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "don't if it was Siches, but there was a"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "film festival in 2022. There was a"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "documentary that they basically made on"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "UMO and Umites which uh you know kind of"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "really leaned into the fact it was"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "hoaxed and um that that it was created"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "by him and two of his friends. Uh and"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "there there are some some connections"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "that are hard to overlook like uh the"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "second sighting of it was from his"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "roommate. That's right. Um, so you go"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "down this rabbit hole and there there's"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "a lot of connections, but this"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "documentary goes into that and I you"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "know there was a protest in the middle"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "of the theater. stopped the screening as"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "I remember uh and um was furious."}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "[Applause]"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "and the father's dying confession was I"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "guess coerced out of him. That's right."}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "That it was that it was something that"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "he was And then there's a lot if you if"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "you go really down the rabbit hole that"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "that maybe the CIA was involved, maybe"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "the KGB was involved. Uh it it's"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "fascinating because the minute you think"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "you've reached the bottom of this of"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "this, you know, maybe hoax, maybe"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "conspiracy, it goes far far deeper and"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "darker. uh mentioning these these kind"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "of side cults that that stem from some"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "of the kind of mythology that these"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "papers uh purported. Yeah. And these"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "papers had enough in them to where if"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "you fully read through all of them, you"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "too could be convinced that they're"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "real. Like I mean really smart people"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "read through these papers and they got"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "together. So there are these houses that"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "existed back then where people would get"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "together to try and decipher"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "collectively as this sort of uh group uh"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "session uh these papers and um but then"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "you you run into a house like this that"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "you're describing and you said something"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "interesting to me about the beds in the"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "direction they were facing. Well, when"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "we um when we first took it over so we"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "one of the first things that when I"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "started to get really kind of um"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "I felt I was being punked. Um, I I felt"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "that I was being screwed with because"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "here I am as a as a western director"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "that's coming over to this to this"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "country making making a movie there. I"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "felt that maybe they were screwing with"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "me. Um, so I had a lot of documents"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "pulled um around the area and to try to"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "find out the ownership of the house. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "it sat empty for a long time before we"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "went in there and it was rented out. Um,"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "there was a lot of uh things that that"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "people would rent it out for events. Um"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "but they it looked like eyes wide shut"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "party but all the beds in the place were"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "facing east. Um there the candles were"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "put up in a very r ritualistic way. Why"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "is that important facing east? Well I"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "mean getting into esoteric traditions I"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "mean a lot of things have to do with"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "direction things. I mean if you look"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "into Freemasonry where where they're"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "built um which way the they're facing."}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "Um so inside the house though which"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "which is kind of um incomprehensible to"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "explain. Um, I I think the Winchester"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "Mystery House might be the best uh"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "comparison."}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "There were uh staircases that went"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "nowhere. Um, but not like they were"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "built like that. They were bricked over."}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "And I think this was the most concerning"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "thing for for me is so we shot in the"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "basement uh of the house and and in the"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "basement of the house there is a"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "staircase that goes um up and then you"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "can see kind of a modern brick work"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "that's that's literally bricked up a"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "quarter of the house. you can't get into"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "it. And it's it's they've gone through a"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "lot of effort to break that part of it"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "up. Um, in one of the scenes that uh I"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "wanted to shoot in, which we ended up"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "not being able to shoot in because"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "everyone that went into it got ill. And"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "that's where I started to get convinced"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "maybe this was a some sort of mold or"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "gas or something like that. There was a"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "a small window, is all I can say, with"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "an H over it. And um I asked my"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "assistant, I want to know what's on the"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "other side of that. And he broke in the"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "wall. and you can see it online. Um it"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "it was it was pretty pretty ridiculous."}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "It's um it was a room and inside this"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "room there's an altar and inside the"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "altar there's candles and there's you"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "know other things like that but they"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "were all um closed off. Uh we tried to"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "ask the the caretaker of the house like"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "why what is this thing? And he refused"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "to talk about it. He was just evasive."}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "He was just wouldn't he wouldn't um give"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "us any information about it. Uh"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "it was it was um it was it was an"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "interesting thing and and still to this"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "day I mean it's 10 years later I still"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "look back at some of that and I was like"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "uh it was the most uncomfortable I' ever"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "been. Uh I have funny kind of side"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "story. I I we leave um we leave Spain"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "and I go back and I'm I'm editing in Los"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "Angeles and I had the coolest editor."}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "The editor edited Full Metal Jacket. Oh,"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "cool. He was the editor the assistant"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "editor on The Shining. So, he worked"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "with Stanley Kubrick and this guy is"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "like an old school dude and uh one day"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "he calls me in and he goes, \"Hey, can"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "you what what is this?\" and he shows me"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "footage and uh it's a guy sitting on the"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "edge of the bed and he is doing a"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "monologue and he's very kind of quiet"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "and he's whispering but in the corner of"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "this spatially he's sitting there you"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "hear somebody yelling in a language that"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "I don't know what the hell it was um"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "into it but no one re no one references"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "it you don't hear me yell cut and the"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "guy continues on with his monologue. So,"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "my first thing is um that doesn't make"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "sense. That's impossible because it was"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "so loud that we would have called cut,"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "but no one heard it there. So, I write"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "that off as a corrupted audio file. I'm"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "like, \"Okay, there's something weird"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "here. This is a corrupted audio file.\""}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "But then there were other anomalies in"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "the footage. Um the one that was it's so"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "subtle and it's if you see it, you might"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "just kind of blow it off and be like,"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "\"That's nothing.\" But to me, it was"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "really upsetting. There's a there's a"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "shot and you you can pull this and put"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "it on the screen now for for YouTube."}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "There's a shot where they're standing on"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "the beach and behind them you can see"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "the house and in the house um there are"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "these three large picturesque windows"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "but the curtains were on the outside not"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "the inside and they're wooden and so to"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "open one of these things you have to be"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "inside the house and they're on a pulley"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "system and you have to use both hands to"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "pull cuz they're heavy. Well, we shot in"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "that room and the curtains were broken."}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "You could not open them and so they had"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "to remain shut. in this shot in the"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "beach. Um they're in the foreground and"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "they're talking. All of a sudden you see"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "every window open open behind them."}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "Yeah. And um it almost looked like a"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "visual effect. Uh it it did not open"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "like that. We could not open them. And"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "it would to to make that happen. It"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "would take six people because it took"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "two people to do each one of the"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "curtains. It would have had to have been"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "coordinated to s Now again, I'm not"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "saying that that the crew wasn't"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "screwing with me and saying, \"Let's"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "let's screw with this guy.\" But to what"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "point? It took me five months after we"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "did it to me to even see it. So if if I"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "was being screwed with or, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "punked, you thought they would have"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "laughed and done whatever. Yeah. But it"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "was these subtle things throughout the"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "footage. Um, do you have any of that?"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "Yeah, that that that that you can find"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "that on YouTube. If you do 11-11"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "shutters, you can see it. Okay, great."}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "Um, it was funny when the DVD came out."}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "Uh, the foreign sales company would not"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "put it on there cuz they thought it was"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "all staged. They said, uh, there was no"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "way we're going to pass this off as"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "real. And it made made me so angry cuz"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "I'm like, it's not. It's all We did not"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "do that. Yeah. That's like a boy who"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "cried wolf situation because you're also"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "known for immersive horror. Yeah. You're"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "you're someone who creates experiences"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "using horror and to sort of blur the"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "lines between what's real and what's"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "fiction. So that would seem like"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "something you would do. I'll tell you"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "the my wife uh who was there with me"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "during the time um she she became"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "worried because uh you talk about this"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "idea you a lot in in UFO is this"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "cognitive dissonance. is uh coming to"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "grips with something that just doesn't"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "fit with your worldview. Uh I didn't"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "have time to process what was happening"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "and what was going on with the crew"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "quitting, getting sick, these weird"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "injuries that were occurring on set and"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "what we were feeling and seeing. I I was"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "just um such in a fog during that entire"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "movie. Uh just cuz it challenged"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "everything. Like I was like there's just"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "this presence in the house. So, not only"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "were we dealing with the UFO UMO thing,"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "we're dealing with this presence in this"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "uh and then there is a story that goes"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "with the original owners of the house"}, {"end": "00:34:59", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "that was was eventually uncovered which"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "uh the previous owner of the house uh"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "was in the middle of a divorce. Uh they"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "were sharing custody and the the"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "daughter kind of stopped talking to the"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "mother just just kind of uh disappeared."}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "And uh every time the mother would reach"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "back out to the owner of this house, the"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "father, he would say she was gone. She's"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "at school. She's on vacation. She's"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "she's this. She's this. Eventually, the"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "mother was was done with the"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "shenanigans. She wanted to see a"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "daughter and sent the police. And the"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "I'm going to mess up some of these"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "details now, but the the daughter had"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "died. And the the husband was a"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "political figure. Fearing that he was"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "going to be blamed for it and thrown out"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "of the this political thing, he he"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "buried her body in the house. And uh I"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "didn't again one of these things I was"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "like that's not true. I do not believe"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "that. That sounds"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "like it sounds like a horror movie,"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "right? It sounds like something I would"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "make. Um the the details are far less"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "dramatic than maybe you're you're"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "pudding it. The death and all that. Um"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "but again, there was this this house has"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "a very sorted history. Uh but it was"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "kind of like my first really kind of"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "awakening into me my fascination with"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "what goes on that we don't know about."}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "So, this house ended up having"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "potentially uh a murder or some type of"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "death and some type of cover up with"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "this child in the basement. We would"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "assume it was the basement and that's"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "where you filmed. We did film in the"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "basement. Now, that's not what the door"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "was. I I told you there was a staircase"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "that went to a door and that has nothing"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "to do with where the body was found. Has"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "nothing to do with where the body was"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "found. Um, you know, it's been, like I"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "said, it's been almost 14 years now. I I"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "want to go back and I I recently looked"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "up the address. Uh, I found a call sheet"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "and I I found the address and I looked"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "it up and it it's still available to"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "rent and uh I uh you know I've been in a"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "lot of places. I went to a I was going"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "to do a movie in the Lori mansion in uh"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "New Orleans which is a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "consider to be one of the most haunted."}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "I'm telling you it had nothing on this"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "place in Barcelona. Whoa. Yeah, that's"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "crazy. I've I mean since going down this"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "rabbit hole I've been just completely"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "consumed with all of this because it's"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "like you said so fascinating. And it"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "covers so many facets. It it goes from"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "it goes from being okay potentially real"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "UFO sightings to okay an elaborate hoax"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "to now um some type of almost meta"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "religion that started multiple cults"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "started off this cults religions a lot"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "of and by the way a lot of nonviolent"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "non most are nonviolent. Yeah. When we"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "say cults we don't we don't say they're"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "drinking Kool-Aid and they're all having"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "sex parties. um that some of it maybe"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "but there's the et yes they did but the"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "branding and the sex stuff uh"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "potentially but uh for for the most part"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "these were just gatherings of people who"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "believed in the word of UMO because it"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "made a lot of sense and ironically"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "enough after reading some of it this is"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "exactly what they wanted to avoid the"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "Umites they they they wrote in their"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "papers specifically"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "do not take this as the word because we"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "don't want to shift your culture into"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "ours. We're just here to observe. If I"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "remember correctly, in the"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "documentation, it was very much against"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "a cult mentality. It was it was uh the"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "opposite of that. And I think that's"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "what I find so fascinating about belief"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "in religion is that you know if you are"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "to believe that it's a hoax. Uh you know"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "it had it had gone past his ability to"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "stop it that it had people had found a"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "way to live with it and really believe"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "in it and and make it a way of life that"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "even when it came out publicly that hey"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "this guy made it up it was an"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "experiment. People didn't want to hear"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "that. They wanted to believe. and the"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "fact that after he admitted to doing it,"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "letters were still surfacing. They were"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "still being sent for for quite a while."}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "For quite a while. And but the tone had"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "shifted a little bit. It had gotten a"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "little bit more serious from the UMO. I"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "mean, there's all sorts of really"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "interesting stuff. I mean, I was I was"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "telling you earlier they had this uh"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "they had this whole cipher uh which gave"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "you directions to a basically a end of"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "the world bomb shelter because in the"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "70s there was some tension with Iran and"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "and um and Israel um and that during"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "those tensions apparently the UMO got"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "like signaled that they were at a 26%"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "chance of like nuclear war and that was"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "enough for them to like leave but they"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "had given instructions on where to go in"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "case this happens. Now, these encoded"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "instructions were never really fully"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "deciphered. I ran them into AI and I got"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "I got the answers back, which is super"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "interesting. Uh I got to say though, is"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "is as spooky as the story is, if you"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "want to have a good laugh on UMO, uh if"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "you ever go down the rabbit hole of of"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "the UMO language, it is quite possibly"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "the most hilarious, funny, um"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "ridiculous, and it's all about tone and"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "inflection, but the words are all the"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "same. So, it's like umo umo umoya ooya"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "umo umo. And uh I thought that was"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "really funny. I I actually stumbled onto"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "a uh UMO music channel. Uh cuz there"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "there are people that that still very"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "much believe in this. And uh you know,"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "it's it's who they are now. And there's"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "UMO music."}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "I am. Yeah. It's a whole culture. And I"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "kind of like it. I kind of think it's"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "sick that you're here for it. Yeah, why"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "not, dude? Like, I mean, you know, if"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "there if you're not hurting anybody, but"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "obviously if you're doing some weird,"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "you know, weird deviant uh uh deviantly"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "natured things, then yeah, I'm not"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "necessarily for it. Um, but I think it's"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "just so interesting. Plus, you know,"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "you're someone who has this fascination"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "with not only horror, but the occult."}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "You've been just absolutely consumed by"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "the occult. I guess it's one of your"}, {"end": "00:40:50", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "driving factors into what it is you do"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "for a living. Can you maybe tell me as"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:50", "text": "someone who's not super versed? Now,"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "I've I have a book here actually, uh,"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "Sex and Rockets, the Jack Parson story."}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "Um, I've been looking into him,"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "fascinating character, but before we"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "touch on that, I would love to get your"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "sort of origin story and what brought"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "you towards the occult."}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "I'll start off by saying I'm I'm very"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "much uh an armchair occultist and it"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "it's a it's it's a it's a funny story I"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "guess because you you are a part of my"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "occult journey. I have used my quasi"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "cray rate celebrity fame to meet people"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "that I like or admire and that goes from"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "musicians um to actors to magicians uh"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "slight of hand and it it it started with"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "slight of hand. Um it it you know I I"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "became friends with yourself and Pen and"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "Teller and Danny Garcia and you guys all"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "have the ability to take a deck of"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "cards, 52 pieces of paper and plastic"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "and do incredible things and you can"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "create a moment out of those 52 things."}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "Now if you hand those cards to anyone"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "else that doesn't have that knowledge,"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "they can't. They can stumble around. But"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "you have the ability to control an"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "entire room because you have knowledge"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "that not everyone else has. You have"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "methods that not everyone else knows."}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "Hey guys, hope you enjoyed the podcast."}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "I just wanted to remind you that our"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "MJ12 collection is still available at"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "area52.shop."}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "This is some of the highest quality"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "merch that you can get. We worked on"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "this in-house for the past 6 months."}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "This is not a drop shipment. Everything"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "ships out of my warehouse. So, if you"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "want to support the channel and cop"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "yourself some really cool Majestic 12"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "merch, check it out. Area52.shop."}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "And I became fascinated uh to learn how"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "you were doing it. I became fascinated"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "when I see Danny Garcia do something"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "that to me breaks my brain. Uh so to be"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "fair, Danny Garcia breaks my brain as"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "well. Yeah. Well, um I I wanted I I just"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "had this um thing that I couldn't sleep"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "at night because it didn't feel real to"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "me. I was I knew it was a trick, but it"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "didn't feel real. So I started um"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "collecting magic books and I wanted to"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "uncover the secret and the the best"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "example that I can give is that my kind"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "of quest of esoteric knowledge or occult"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "knowledge that's all it is. I mean a"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "cult is just that which is hidden."}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "That's what it is. Um it is uncovering"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "things that aren't widely known and"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "understanding the mechanics behind them."}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "In the same way that once I read a book"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "on magic, I I have when I say magic"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "slight of hand, I can start to"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "understand what you're doing. Not that I"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "can do it, but I understand it. I"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "understand the mechanics behind it. But"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "you create magic with cards, real magic."}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "I'm talking magic like Jack Parson's"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "magic, because you can you can get a"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "group of people together that are"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "strangers, and you can do a trick and"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "you can create laughter and emotion and"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "and amazement, alchemy. Exactly. You"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "have you have changed something. Um, who"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "cares that you're using slide of hand?"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "It is still magic. That is magic. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "and I became fascinated with that. Um,"}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "so part of it started there. The other"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "part of it, um, I I'm a poser. I I"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "always feel like I have imposttor"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "syndrome. So my, uh, you know, I I am a"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "horror director. I've made my career in"}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "making horror movies. And I wanted my"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "office to feel like that. 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So, I remember the first thing I"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "did was I had all of these spooky books"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "that and they're plastic, you know,"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "they're they're things you would buy at"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "a Halloween store. And I was like, \"This"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "is cheap. When you come in my office and"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "you turn the lights on, it's cheap. I"}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "want the real book.\" So it started with"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "magic slight of hand books. So I started"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "buying Professor Hoffman which are like"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "if if if you're a magician or a slight"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "of hand person, Professor Hoffman is"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "like a he everyone knows who he is."}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "Tricks with cards. Exactly. So I started"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "replacing all of my spooky looking books"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "with magic books and books on parlor"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "magic and all that. So now when you go"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "into my office, it's this old Victorian"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "looking bookcase with all these books in"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "it. Then I started replacing my scary"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "books like Frankenstein and Dracula with"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "real books of that. Then that led me"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "into um realizing how fake I'd been my"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "entire career cuz I had made a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "movies on religion and the occult. And"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "it was all bastardized Hollywood ideas"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "of the devil and things like that. And"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "that's not what it is. Um so it started"}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "with after I had my magic books and I"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "had my original Frankenstein books, I"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "started getting um esoteric knowledge"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "books and Manley P. Hall as an example."}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "He's a he's a one of my favorite uh I"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "guess esoteric thinkers. Um I started"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "getting his books because I liked the"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "way they looked. So I say I'm opposer. I"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "like I like the covers. I like the"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "images on them. And then I started"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "reading it and it just made sense to me."}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "Things in it made sense. It was"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "philosophy. It was ways to look at life."}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "Um and then it became a conversation"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "piece. I realized when people came in my"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "office, they're like um I remember one"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "of the books I had is called it's a"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "Manly P. Hall book called Anatomy of a"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "Man. and there's a there's a new there's"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "a naked picture on it and it it's old"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "and it's it's you know when you come in"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "you're like what is this um and then I"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "found myself um talking about it and"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "getting excited when I talked about it"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "um because it challenges beliefs and"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "that's I think I my grandfather was a"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "Baptist minister my mother was very"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "religious and for so much of my life I"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "didn't understand religion I I knew it"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "was something I had to go to every"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "Sunday growing up but I didn't really"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "have faith and it I I got to be honest"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "with you it was through all of these"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "weird books and in these uh esoteric"}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "documents that I I think I found faith"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "and I found hermeticism like"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "rosacrruianism like that type of stuff."}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "Yeah. I you know I think that uh I I"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "just found things that I believed in in"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "that things that was said. Um and I'll"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "tell you uh you you mentioned I do uh"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "immersive theater for those that that"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "don't know. Um there's a movie a Michael"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "Douglas film uh starring um Mike uh"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "David Fincher directed it called The"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "Game. And basically it is a uh real"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "narrative that takes place in the real"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "world for for one or two people. I"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "started doing those and the first one I"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "did was based on a cult like a"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "Jonestownike cult. Um up until that"}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "point every time I tried to touch"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "religion or cult it was all like I said"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "very uh surface Hollywood versions of"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "it. I wanted to base it in something"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "real. So, I went down the rabbit hole of"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "reading documents on secret societies"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "and um I would change it like 8 to 10%."}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "Uh and I started doing it and uh I I"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "started to base the mythology on real"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "doctrine. Um and it it sparked"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "something. It it it just felt real to me"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "and it felt real to the people doing it."}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "Uh and I took I I kind of cherrypicked"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "the stuff that I believed in and the"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "stuff that made sense to me. Can you"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "give me an example of something that you"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "might have done immersively just to give"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "people a bit of a context because they"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "might not be familiar with what"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "immersive theater is? Um, so yeah,"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "immersive theater is um if you go see a"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "movie in in the theaters right now, it's"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "two-dimensional. You're you're staring"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "at a screen and it's passive. It's it'll"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "never change. You can watch it a 100"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "times, it's going to stay the same."}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "Immersive theater interacts with you."}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "Your interaction with the actors changes"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "what we do. um instead of of watching"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "someone on a screen, you're sitting next"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "to them. You're sharing a drink with"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "them. You can smell the cigarette that"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "they're smoking. You can smell the"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "perfume. Um and so things that we would"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "do is like we would um uh put documents"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "in the downtown public library uh in the"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "esoteric section and it we would we"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "would reprint entire books and it would"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "be 85% real, but then inside the book"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "there would be 20% fiction that we would"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "create for our story line. And so if"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "they were to Google it, they would see"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "it's a real book. And so we were able to"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "base a mythology they would believe on"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "something very real but it wasn't. Um"}, {"end": "00:48:44", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "but we would take ideas that um"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "ritualistic ideas or uh initiation"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "rights. Initiation is very much alchemy."}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "It's it's that you are going through a"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "process of transformation. Um you start"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "in dark and you find light. Uh you know"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "that's that's so much on these things is"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "is is stepping into light that we are"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "neophyites uh right now but once you go"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "down this certain path you are awakened"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "enlightened."}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "Uh, and I think that we use that as a"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "foundation very"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "neophy. You're in the dark and it's all"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "about illumination. You will find uh you"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "will find the answer through these"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "tasks. Um, and so we, you know, I use my"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "screenwriting uh partners and we took"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "traditional narratives, but we base the"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "mythology for the first time in real"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "documentation as opposed to bastardized"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "doc. And so many movies that I see in"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "Hollywood, uh whether it's UFOs or on"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "the occult are just uh they're fake."}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "They're uh they're not based in"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "anything. They're not based in anything."}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "They're based on what me in a Midwest"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "growing up in the Midwest thought the"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "occult was, thought UFOs were. Um and I"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "think what by making it a little bit"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:47", "text": "more real, it it just ingrained itself"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "and imprinted itself uh so much more."}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "And that just formed a fascination. And"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "now I collect these documents. Um, I uh"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "I seek them out. I, you know, and I I I"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "it's fascinating to me. Um, which is the"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "same thing for magic, slight of hand. I"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "want to understand how things work. I"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "want to understand the the the thought"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "process behind why someone would like"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "Jack Parsons. What made him a Theomite?"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "Why why did he go down this road as"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "someone, you know, who created the the"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "modern rocket propulsion system? What"}, {"end": "00:50:25", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "would make him go into sex magic? Yeah."}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "And so, I want to understand that. And"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:25", "text": "so I think that it's made me a better"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "storyteller and I think it's helped"}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "define my own faith and my own belief"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "system. Sure. Yeah. I think that's"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:33", "text": "really profound and that's kind of the"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "the path I think that a lot of people in"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "this space end up going down in one way"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "or another. Maybe not so directly, but"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "in the sense that we're looking to merge"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "science and religion or science and"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "spirituality. You know, if you look at"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "the UFO space, for example, there's a"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "lot of this talk of, oh, these are"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "angelic beings and this is, you know,"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "whatever it is. And then on the other"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "side, it's like, no, it's it's just"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "purely like nuts and bolts. But then"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "there's this school of, okay, maybe"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "we're talking about the same thing."}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "Maybe what's spiritual to you is quantum"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "physics to me. And that's something that"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "Jack Parsons actually tried to merge,"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "uh, although, you know, in a in a more"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "deviant manner. Yeah. and he had a very"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "uh horrific ending. Uh Jack Parsons is I"}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "mean he's fascinating because you look"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "at a guy who um a genius a genius um but"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:29", "text": "doing things that I think would be"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "labeled insane or crazy. Yeah. Um in in"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "trying to find that balance between the"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "two where you know by day he's this"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "rocket propulsion person and by night he"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "is participating in ritualistic magic."}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "Yeah. And um you know there there's a"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "fascinating if uh I recommend uh if"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "you've not seen it, Strange Angel. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "I just got done watching season one."}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "It's great. Um I love that because it's"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "uh first off, by the time you get to"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "season two, you're just going to ask"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "yourself, how did this ever get green"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "lit? How did anyone put this on TV? Uh"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "and I love it. Um was it 2016, I think"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "it was, or yeah, something like that."}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "And it it bums me out that it didn't"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "continue. You'll understand why it"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "didn't cuz it goes places. I mean, it it"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "it definitely go and they did not shy"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "away from the occult in that. I love"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "that, though. I think even in in like"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "the first episode, there's already like"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "like this guy bringing a goat into his"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "house and then coming out with a vial of"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "blood later. You're like, \"What happened"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "there?\" Um, you know, for people who"}, {"end": "00:52:27", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "don't know about Jack Parsons. Um, he"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "was one of the founding figures in"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:27", "text": "American rocketry, uh, co-founding JPL,"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "so Jet Propulsion Labs and, uh,"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "Aererojet Engineering Corp. um his work"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "laid the foundation for NASA, what we"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "now know as NASA. And the most"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "interesting part of all this, this guy"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "was basically just like an a a chemist."}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "Like he was he didn't go to like some"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "massive he didn't go to school for this."}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "And so for him to be accepted in modern"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "rocketry, first of all going down this"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "whole sort of occultist Alistister"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "Crowley sex magic route actually, you"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "know, they withdrew his name from a lot"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "of this early rock American rocketry"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "stuff. Yeah, he was I mean he was"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "shunned his belief system because when"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "you're dealing with what he was dealing"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "with with clearances, with all of that,"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "I mean he went through a very intense"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "process of being vetted and then here he"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "is and at that time I think he had the"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "compound. He had that uh in Pasadena. I"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "forget the name of it now. Uh the"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "parsonage. Yeah. Um which was like um"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "like this place for rituals, this place"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "where like people from all over would"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "come, these uh illuminaries or these,"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "you know, whatever you were, these"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "vagabons. Well, and I think it was a"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "hard time because anytime you mention a"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "a cult, you you're either met with a"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "dead stare. Um, I was at dinner, uh, I"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "won't say the name, but, um, I was at"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "dinner last night with with the magician"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "we both know, and the first question"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "was, \"Are you into Satanism?\" And I was"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "like, \"No, no.\" And they're like, \"But"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "isn't that a cult?\" And I'm like, \"No,"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "it's not.\" Uh, so much of a cult comes"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "from uh, Christian teachings. It comes"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "from, you know, things that uh, are the"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "opposite of that. But I think that there"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "is a belief that so much of this um, is,"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "you know, evil, bad, satanic, whatever."}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "And I think that what he was met, now"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "I'm not saying what he was doing was not"}, {"end": "00:54:17", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "because he was on a much darker uh a"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "much darker path. But uh yeah, I think"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:17", "text": "that you know trying to juggle both of"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "those things being a uh somebody in that"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "high in the government and going and"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "doing ritualistic sex magic at night. Uh"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "yeah, especially in the time where it"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "was like super taboo. This is like late"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "40s. uh well well actually early to late"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "40s and then um you know associating"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "himself eventually with people like"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "Alistister Crowley Crowley and Elon"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "Hubert Elron Hubbert that's right uh"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "getting mixed up with these folks and"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "doing some really sort of like"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "nefariously"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "oriented things. He went down a very"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "dark path. Um and then uh you know I I"}, {"end": "00:54:58", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "read the book years ago uh the book"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "which the show was based on but he was"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:58", "text": "trying to bring about Babylon uh the the"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "girl. Yeah. The elemental. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "Female elemental uh the goddess Babylon"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "was uh him him and Elron Hubert were"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "trying to summon um this this lady"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "essentially. I had such a a world a"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "worldview shift and then he did by the"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "way. Yeah. And then he blew up. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "But he he he did end up like summoning"}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "um he supposedly summoned the devil."}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "Well, his girlfriend showed up. This"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "like beautiful uh red-headed lady who"}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "showed up. What was her name? Marjorie"}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "Cameron. Sorry. His his very early on in"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "his life, I think early teens. He felt"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "he summoned the devil uh Lucifer in his"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "room and that's what got his fascination"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "into the occult. Um but you know, for me"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "uh he was he was practicing. he was"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "going through and doing these rituals"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "and doing whatever. I I am so just"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "fascinated with um"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "learning in the same way that I wanted"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "to understand in in cardry how to do a"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "double lift or to do whatever I wanted"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "to understand it um because it gave me a"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "new way of thinking when I learned magic"}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "or went down that rabbit hole of and I"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "say magic the slight of hand um it"}, {"end": "00:56:11", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "changed the way that I approach"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "problems. It was a problem. So I think"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:11", "text": "as a magician now when I'm doing a"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "movie, when I'm doing a saw trap"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "example, here's a here's a here's one I"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "can explain it. Um, we wanted all the"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "saw traps to be practical. I didn't want"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "to use visual effects. So we would"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "design them in force perspective with"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "mirrors. I learned that through magic"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "thinking. Um, I wanted to understand"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "this whole kind of idea about esoteric"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "thought because I wanted to think"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "differently and I think that so many"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "people are so close-minded to whatever"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "they grew up believing. I grew up in the"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "Midwest. I grew up in a Lutheran"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "household. My grandfather was a Baptist"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "minister, so I had this kind of"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "sheltered view of the world. Um,"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "I've been lucky enough to travel the"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "world with these movies. And I just"}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:49", "text": "recently went to Saudi Arabia and I had"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "a very sheltered view of Islam. And then"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "I go there and I'm like, \"Oh my gosh,"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "it's this, it's this, it's this.\" And my"}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "whole um, I guess mentality of of that"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "culture shifted. And that's why I think"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "I'm so fascinated with with all of this"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "uh esoteric thought is it it completely"}, {"end": "00:57:12", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "shatters um all of these preconceived"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "notions and open my mind up to believe"}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:12", "text": "and accept a lot more that I maybe"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "wouldn't have believed or accepted if I"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "did not read that book. Yeah. And a lot"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "of these re ritualistic things that we"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "bear witness to at a young age. I was"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "raised Catholic as well and you know"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "eating the body of Christ, drinking the"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "blood, like these are things that seemed"}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "fairly normal uh as a child and as you"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "grow up and kind of have a removed sort"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "of sense of what this is, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "bird's eyee view if you will of of"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "what's going on. And I had that happen"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "to me actually uh when I was in my early"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "20s and at that point I was still kind"}, {"end": "00:57:49", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "of practicing uh religion a little bit."}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "And I would go to church with like"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:49", "text": "friends and stuff. And at one point I"}, {"end": "00:57:59", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "was at a baptism and uh and you know in"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "it was a Catholic baptis inwoks uh this"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:59", "text": "uh the priest but like dressed in like"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "these golden robes. He had a scepter and"}, {"end": "00:58:06", "start": "00:58:02", "text": "like following him were these people"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "with like this smoke and everything was"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:06", "text": "gold. Somebody was holding a big golden"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "book. That is a ritual. You are going to"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "a ritual. That's right. And I'm and I'm"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "watching this stuff and it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "like hitting me now because I had gone"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "uh every Wednesday night we'd have like"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "prayer night and there was music. It was"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "beautiful. Like people would congregate"}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "and uh they were all lovely and everyone"}, {"end": "00:58:24", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "was really nice to each other. It was"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "all normal. But then I started to look"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "at it like whoa, what's going on here?"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "And when they baptized the child in this"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "giant like a stone basin, an altar."}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "Yeah. And they and they put water and I"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "remember there's a lady this this always"}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "this has always stuck out to me. They"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "they go to put water on the child's head"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "and it kind of only grazed the child's"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "hair. And then he went on with his thing"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "and a lady in the back goes, \"You you"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "you didn't get him right.\" And I'm"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "thinking, \"Surely this is only"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "symbolic.\" And then he's like, \"Oh.\" And"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "then he puts more and now it's in the"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "baby's eyes. The baby's crying and"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "everything. And at that point, I was"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "like, \"Wait a second. Is this symbolic"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "or is this literal?\" And that really"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "shifted how I see all of this. I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "\"This must be symbolic. And if it's"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "symbolic, you know, surely we don't need"}, {"end": "00:59:11", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "all of this. we don't need all of these,"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "you know, bells and whistles if it's"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:11", "text": "just a mind state, right? Um, but for"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "me, yeah, that that really showed me"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "that even the things that I was, like"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "you're saying, really accustomed to and"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "never really questioned all of a sudden"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "from a different perspective seemed a"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "seemed a little foreign to me. so much."}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "I I think that I'm in a unique position"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "being in in Hollywood um and getting to"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "work in movies um seeing how much the"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "esoteric thought is ingrained in certain"}, {"end": "00:59:43", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "things. Um you know, some of my favorite"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "uh I love graphic novels. Some of my"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:43", "text": "favorite graphic novels are are written"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "by some of the biggest oultist Alan"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "Moore, who most people would know from"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "Watchmen, from Hell. Um you know, this"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "guy is this guy is a true magician. um"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "magician uh esoteric thinker. Um I"}, {"end": "01:00:02", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "remember I listened to one of my"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "favorite books is something called The"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "01:00:02", "text": "Invisles, which is very much based in"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "like esoteric thought, but it's it's"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "it's a graphic novel. He had a a a"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "YouTube video um off a lecture he wrote"}, {"end": "01:00:16", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "for a book called Disinformation Guide"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "of the Occult, I think is what it's"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:16", "text": "called. um where he talks about chaos"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "magic and things just clicked for me in"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "those like the words they were saying um"}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "ideas that they had and I realized how"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "much of our life is a ritual um or"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "magic. Uh the idea of saying I love you"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "to me is magic because you can say I"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "love you to someone and those words"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "change that relationship with that"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "person. So you've put an intention out"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "there. You said I love you and now all"}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "of a sudden your relationship has"}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "changed with that person. These little"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "things I never thought of before. So"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "things just started connecting for me"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "that that never did before. Um how much"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "of what we do is ritualistic. I mean you"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "just went through imagine that same"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "thing of a Catholic church but put it in"}, {"end": "01:00:57", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "a dark underground cave and that same"}, {"end": "01:01:00", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "thing all of a sudden that becomes"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:57", "text": "satanic that becomes whatever. Um so"}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:00", "text": "much of it uh of society is and that's a"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "good point. I mean even you know we"}, {"end": "01:01:08", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "would and there's this I don't know you"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "know I don't know if there's any truth"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:08", "text": "to this but it sounds true but when we"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "spell things right like it's an actual"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "spell you're casting you're saying hey"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "uh go outside and I send this letter"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "across the world and the person who"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "reads it then goes outside you have said"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "something and they've done something"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "you've created you haven't even said it"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "you've just but that is an action so"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "that and I think that's something else"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "that I found fascinating was um this"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "idea that uh magic is just something"}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "that you don't yet understand. So if you"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "go to a caveman and hand animal lighter,"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:40", "text": "that's magic. But when you actually"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:42", "text": "understand the mechanics of it, it's"}, {"end": "01:01:47", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "not. Uh I I always find that fascinating"}, {"end": "01:01:49", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "because um I I've looked at things as a"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:47", "text": "kid and I was like, \"Oh my god, that's"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:49", "text": "magical.\" And then I learned them and"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "I'm like, \"It's not magic, it's this.\""}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "So how much of these things that we hear"}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "about or read about is just as I forgot"}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "who said it, but it's just magic is"}, {"end": "01:02:02", "start": "01:01:57", "text": "science not yet defined. Um yeah, Arthur"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "C. Clark. any sufficiently advanced uh"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:02", "text": "technology is indistinguishable from"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "magic. Exactly. And I I just wonder um"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "how many things like that that we see"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "that soon will no longer be magic. It'll"}, {"end": "01:02:16", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "be science. Uh there was a book um"}, {"end": "01:02:18", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "uh I just got it. It's it's amazing."}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:16", "text": "It's uh it's huge. I mean, you can't you"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:18", "text": "can't hold it. It's a it's a it's a"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "Manly P. Hall uh secret teachings of all"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "ages. Tashion just put it out and it is"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "it is I mean it's this big and basically"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "he it's like his grand opus where he"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "went through every major secret society"}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "and esoteric and and basically wrote"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "these chapters on it. It breaks your"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "brain trying to read it. I've read"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "through some of it. It's very dense."}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "It's it's like the UMO paper. You just"}, {"end": "01:02:43", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "you just you just cry when you get"}, {"end": "01:02:45", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "through like a page. Yeah. But it's fun"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:43", "text": "to open up. Oh, it's beautiful. I just"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:45", "text": "open it up sometimes and I'm like I'll"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "start here and it's just like a whole"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "chapter on the pineal gland and I'm like"}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "oh interesting. Yeah. Uh so so for me I"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "think that the the exploration though"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "started from from slight of hand. It"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "came from cards. It came from watching"}, {"end": "01:03:02", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "people like yourself do card tricks that"}, {"end": "01:03:04", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "I didn't understand. And I knew that if"}, {"end": "01:03:05", "start": "01:03:02", "text": "I understood them maybe they would stop"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:04", "text": "being magical and I wanted to understand"}, {"end": "01:03:10", "start": "01:03:05", "text": "the mechanics. And that's where I"}, {"end": "01:03:13", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "started uh kind of my uh fascination"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:10", "text": "with these these books and collecting"}, {"end": "01:03:19", "start": "01:03:13", "text": "these documents. That's so interesting."}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "And man, um, I mean, you know, it's"}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:19", "text": "funny because I talk to you as a"}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "magician because you're, you know, quite"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "familiar with a lot of the techniques."}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "We've hung out a lot and talked a lot"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "about and I don't get to share that with"}, {"end": "01:03:31", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "very many people. you know, I can sort"}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "of abbreviate it or dumb it down a"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:31", "text": "little bit for like not dumb it down,"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:33", "text": "but just put it in layman's terms for"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "people to understand. But it's fun to be"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "able to talk shop with you in terms of"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "illusion, you know, and um and and magic"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "thinking because magic thinking is"}, {"end": "01:03:51", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "something that once you notice it, you"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "see it everywhere. I see it within"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:51", "text": "intelligence agencies. Well, 100%. And"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "that's why I think that my education"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "I've had two educations. I had the one"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "where I went to school when I was in my"}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "20s and I I consider my midlife"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "education and the midlife education with"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "slight of hand into what I'm doing now"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "with these these books. Um it's"}, {"end": "01:04:12", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "completely reframing how I approach any"}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "situation or how I think about them"}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:12", "text": "including how I make movies now. Um you"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "know part of we talked about this at"}, {"end": "01:04:22", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "lunch but part of magic is um you it's"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "an intention. Uh when you are going to"}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:22", "text": "cast a spell when you're going to do"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "something it is it is an intention"}, {"end": "01:04:29", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "you're trying to put out. As a director,"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "I want to affect an audience. How do I"}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:29", "text": "do that? Through a series of images and"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "sound. And I have the ability to move"}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "them, to scare them, to disgust them, to"}, {"end": "01:04:40", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "upset them, um, by moving pictures and"}, {"end": "01:04:43", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "images. Now, I'm using tricks not only"}, {"end": "01:04:45", "start": "01:04:40", "text": "from magic, a slight of hand, but tricks"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:43", "text": "psychologically that I'm reading about"}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:45", "text": "in some of these other books. And I"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "think that it's it's fascinating. Uh, it"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "feels like again I'm back in college"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "with all this stuff, learning learning"}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "new things. That's amazing. I love to"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "hear it. Yeah. I mean you once once your"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "once your mind is attuned to how magic"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "kind of works you'd think you'd get"}, {"end": "01:05:09", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "disillusioned but you actually become"}, {"end": "01:05:11", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "inspired to create more uh once you're"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:09", "text": "aware of these things and uh but it is"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:11", "text": "it is interesting too I have a talk"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "coming up at SI games uh which is like"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "the Olympics of you know really cool"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "what they're doing um Hakee Mistler he's"}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "putting together this thing where all"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "these people will compete in different"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "um psychic events and I'm overseeing to"}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "make sure that they are, you know,"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "rigorous and you can't cheat them and"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "we're going to see if anything is can be"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "done. But, uh, during that time, I have"}, {"end": "01:05:43", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "a talk and I'm writing it now and the"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "talk is about real magic and not magic"}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:43", "text": "with a K, but kind of the fact that"}, {"end": "01:05:52", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "during magic performances, psychic"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "events tend to happen. And magicians"}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:52", "text": "know this. If there's any magicians"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "watching, comment below. Let me know"}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "about a miracle that you've performed"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "and let me know how often these things"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:58", "text": "happen because they happen more often"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "than they should and uh there is a"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "relationship there with you know Russell"}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "Tar as well got into SAI stuff. He was"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "the founder of one of the guys at SRRI."}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "Uh but he got into it through doing"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "stage magic and I just find it so"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "interesting that my personal life has"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "gotten me from magic with a C to magic"}, {"end": "01:06:24", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "with a K to magic with a K to magic with"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "a J now. Ah majestic. Uh that's right."}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:24", "text": "Yeah, the the whole majestic thing all"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "comes full circle and and so magic has"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "been kind of Exactly. Magic has been"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "kind of following me everywhere. Uh it"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "it you know it is crazy. Um I'm watching"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "the David Blaine special now. Uh do not"}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "attempt or do not try. Yeah. Um and"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "what's what's I love that special by the"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:42", "text": "way. I I do too. And I think what's"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "what's crazy about it is I think we are"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "capable of great things. Um all of us."}, {"end": "01:06:52", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "If you don't believe you are, then you"}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "won't be. And I think that you look at"}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:52", "text": "David Blaine who's who's, you know,"}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:54", "text": "doing these feats um that that seem"}, {"end": "01:07:02", "start": "01:06:58", "text": "completely unreal, but he's trained his"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:07:00", "text": "body, he's trained his mind, and can do"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:02", "text": "insane things. And I think that we all"}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "have that ability. And again, if if you"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "show that 50 years ago, that is magic"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "with a K what he's doing. Um and I think"}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "that again, it's science that we just"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "didn't have a name for then. if you know"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "how to do it, if you know. Um, and I"}, {"end": "01:07:21", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "think that's why they, you know, I'm f I"}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "used to always watch ghost hunting"}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:21", "text": "shows. Like I said, never seen one, but"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:23", "text": "I would I always really love it. Uh, why"}, {"end": "01:07:28", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "do certain people see things and other"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "people's don't? And I think a lot of it"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:28", "text": "has to do with what you allow yourself"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "to believe. Um, if you're closed off to"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "it, if you're like, I can't hold my"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "breath for 6 minutes and you're never"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "going to get to that point in your life."}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "I can't see a ghost. You're never going"}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "to have that. I can't see a UFO. I"}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "won't. versus those that are open to the"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "idea, I can hold my breath for 6"}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "minutes. I'm going to train my body. I'm"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "going to do whatever. Now, this"}, {"end": "01:07:51", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "impossible feat becomes possible. I can"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "see something that's, you know, just"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:51", "text": "outside of of our perception. Uh, yeah,"}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "you've just described abracadabra. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "I mean, I I I speak what I I create what"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "I speak. Exactly. It is a it goes back"}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "to the idea of spells, too. Uh, but I I"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "feel that there's such a cross-section"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "of magic with a C and magic with a K or"}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "a J. Um it is this um belief, it is this"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "training, it is uh and that's why I was"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "really fascinated by that what David"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "Blaine has done and what he continues to"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "do. Um"}, {"end": "01:08:27", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "I think uh I'm always fascinated like"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "watching your show uh all of these"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:27", "text": "things that 20 years ago you would have"}, {"end": "01:08:34", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "been laughed out of a room. These ideas,"}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "these concepts of things that exist in"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:34", "text": "the sky now it's mainstream. It is it is"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "mainstream. It's on mainstream news"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "sites on on a daily basis. Uh I that to"}, {"end": "01:08:49", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "me I think that soon we're going to"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "realize how interconnected this all is."}, {"end": "01:08:53", "start": "01:08:49", "text": "Um you mentioned it earlier what you"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "know a thousand years ago they called"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:53", "text": "angels or demons. Now we call UFOs or"}, {"end": "01:09:03", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "NHI. Um I just feel that there's there's"}, {"end": "01:09:06", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "more of a connection here uh between the"}, {"end": "01:09:08", "start": "01:09:03", "text": "occult, the UFOs religion. Oh yeah. And"}, {"end": "01:09:12", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "you can even look at places like NASA"}, {"end": "01:09:15", "start": "01:09:08", "text": "who continue to this day allegedly to do"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:12", "text": "sort of these ritualistic albeit less,"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:15", "text": "you know, um, dark but like still"}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "ritualistic nonetheless uh, things"}, {"end": "01:09:25", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "during their before their launches. You"}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:23", "text": "know, you just read American Cosmic by"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:25", "text": "Diana Pasula. Uh she mentions it on a"}, {"end": "01:09:31", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "few interviews as well that yeah"}, {"end": "01:09:33", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "sometimes they're like hey you got to"}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:31", "text": "wear your launch t-shirt and everybody"}, {"end": "01:09:37", "start": "01:09:33", "text": "has to wear or everybody has to eat the"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "same food or stand in a certain those"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:37", "text": "are all little rituals that they"}, {"end": "01:09:44", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "continue to do to this day because it's"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "such a precise science rocket science"}, {"end": "01:09:49", "start": "01:09:44", "text": "that if the slightest miscalculation"}, {"end": "01:09:51", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "happens that thing's going to blow up."}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:49", "text": "People's lives are jeopardy billions of"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:51", "text": "dollars. So they want everything on"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "their side including perhaps whatever's"}, {"end": "01:10:01", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "up there. Uh absolutely. I mean you got"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "to look at um and again it's less known"}, {"end": "01:10:04", "start": "01:10:01", "text": "and I live in Los Angeles which is it's"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "a completely different environment and"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:04", "text": "world than than a lot of other places"}, {"end": "01:10:09", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "but you drive down the street and you"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "see churches. I mean we were driving"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:09", "text": "down the street and you have this"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "beautiful church and you realize that"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "how much of the population does have a"}, {"end": "01:10:17", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "belief. They have a faith in in a"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "supernatural presence and a being and"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:17", "text": "something like that. Um I I think that"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "it's ingrained in us. It's indoctrinated"}, {"end": "01:10:28", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "from the from the very beginning of us"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "being children. Um ritual uh belief in"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:28", "text": "something that we cannot see. Uh it's"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "fascinating to me. Well,"}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "let's stop talking about the stuff we"}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "cannot see. And a great segue into"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "something that you saw. Now, you started"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "telling me about this prior to the"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "podcast, and I said, \"Save it for the"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "pod. I want to hear it. I want to hear"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "it live.\" Uh, so I I I really do want to"}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "see something and that's been my thing."}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:51", "text": "I I want to see some apparition. Uh, I I"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "want to see I I just want the pro even"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "though I I can read these things and I"}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "can conceptualize them. I want that"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "moment. I want that I say that now until"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "something appears and I have an"}, {"end": "01:11:08", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "apparition and crap my pants. Crap your"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "pants. I cra my pants. Um I I had one"}, {"end": "01:11:11", "start": "01:11:08", "text": "moment. Uh and I'm hearing all your"}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "stories on your thing and I was like"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:11", "text": "what have I had then there there is one."}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:13", "text": "It's pretty uh it was Fourth of July"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "weekend. Uh, I went to Kansas where my"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "my family is from and I brought my son."}, {"end": "01:11:25", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "I think he's four or five at this time."}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "And we are out letting fireworks off,"}, {"end": "01:11:29", "start": "01:11:25", "text": "which are illegal in Kansas in my in the"}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:26", "text": "driveway of my parents house. And um,"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:29", "text": "above us, way above where the fireworks"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "are going off, there is lights. Um, I"}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "can't say they were in a triangle"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:36", "text": "fashion, but they were definitely in a"}, {"end": "01:11:42", "start": "01:11:37", "text": "formation. And it's Fourth of July, so"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "of course I go to it's it's, you know,"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:42", "text": "it's fireworks. It's something. And then"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "I I didn't say anything. And then I see"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:45", "text": "my dad say, \"Do you see that?\" My dad's"}, {"end": "01:11:50", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "military. He was army. And um he goes,"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "\"Do you see that?\" I was like, \"Yeah, I"}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:50", "text": "see it.\" And and I pull my phone out and"}, {"end": "01:11:58", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "I I aim my phone up at it. And um it's"}, {"end": "01:12:00", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "it's not moving. And so the my first"}, {"end": "01:12:02", "start": "01:11:58", "text": "thought was it it could be like a"}, {"end": "01:12:04", "start": "01:12:00", "text": "military performance. It could be"}, {"end": "01:12:07", "start": "01:12:02", "text": "skydivers. It could be flares. It's not"}, {"end": "01:12:09", "start": "01:12:04", "text": "moving. Um what color were they? Uh"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:07", "text": "white. Um they were orblike, but they"}, {"end": "01:12:15", "start": "01:12:09", "text": "were way above where the fireworks were."}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "Um, so again, I I went to is it a"}, {"end": "01:12:18", "start": "01:12:15", "text": "planetary thing? Is it a star cluster?"}, {"end": "01:12:20", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "And I have an app on my phone that you"}, {"end": "01:12:22", "start": "01:12:18", "text": "can like aim it up at the sky and see"}, {"end": "01:12:24", "start": "01:12:20", "text": "what it is. Nothing like that. But I'm"}, {"end": "01:12:26", "start": "01:12:22", "text": "still convinced it's Fourth of July just"}, {"end": "01:12:29", "start": "01:12:24", "text": "it didn't cross my mind at this point"}, {"end": "01:12:31", "start": "01:12:26", "text": "that it could be something else. So we"}, {"end": "01:12:33", "start": "01:12:29", "text": "keep letting the fireworks off and this"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:31", "text": "thing isn't moving. It's it's there. Um,"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:33", "text": "and then I I see which I perceive it"}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:36", "text": "that it goes from left to right and I"}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "pull my phone out again and I start"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "filming. Now I'm trying to zoom in. And"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "so I'm using the optical zoom on my"}, {"end": "01:12:48", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "phone and um it moves. It moves very"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "fast and it moves uh in a way that it it"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:48", "text": "should not have moved. My dad runs"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "inside to get my mom and I run, Nancy,"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "get out here. Get out here. And now my"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "son's looking up and he's pointing and"}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "I'm filming it and uh it's gone in my"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:12:59", "text": "view of the phone. It just flies off. I"}, {"end": "01:13:06", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "take it down and I'm showing my mom and"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "it's on my phone. I'm showing it to her"}, {"end": "01:13:08", "start": "01:13:06", "text": "and I'm like, \"Look at this.\" And I'm"}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "zooming in on the phone. So I'd already"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:08", "text": "zoomed in on the phone. And I'm trying"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "to zoom in again. And now you're getting"}, {"end": "01:13:17", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "a little more clarity of it. Uh the"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "neighbors come over and we try to show"}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:17", "text": "it to them again. As I pull my phone"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "out, it deletes right then and there. No"}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "way. Gone. Gone. And um I I it to me"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "seems so weird because it wasn't like I"}, {"end": "01:13:30", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "didn't hit the delete button on the"}, {"end": "01:13:31", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "phone. And also there's recently"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:30", "text": "deleted. So if something deletes, it"}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:31", "text": "should be in your recently deleted"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "folders. The recently deleted folder is"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "gone. So all the photos that I deleted"}, {"end": "01:13:39", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "throughout the last couple of days, um"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "you know, just pictures of whatever,"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:39", "text": "they're gone. So it was like the video"}, {"end": "01:13:46", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "did not even exist. And it happened so"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "rapidly, too. Um it was just the one"}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:46", "text": "thing that I was like, that was one that"}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "I can't explain. It was so um and it"}, {"end": "01:13:54", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "happened right then and there. And it"}, {"end": "01:13:55", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "wasn't like my my my finger went over,"}, {"end": "01:13:57", "start": "01:13:54", "text": "hit the delete, but I would have to go"}, {"end": "01:13:59", "start": "01:13:55", "text": "into recently deleted to delete that as"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:57", "text": "well. And then, you know, when I told"}, {"end": "01:14:02", "start": "01:13:59", "text": "that story again, someone was like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "01:14:04", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "you're stupid.\" Like how how could that"}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:02", "text": "happen? And then I started realizing"}, {"end": "01:14:07", "start": "01:14:04", "text": "today my son got in trouble at school."}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "He's in summer school and he got in"}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:07", "text": "trouble. I disabled his iPad from my"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "phone in in here. That's right. Yeah. I"}, {"end": "01:14:15", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "disabled his his his iPad. And that"}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "think about it. If there are NHI and"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:15", "text": "there are things in our sky, how easy"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "would it be for them to just hit a"}, {"end": "01:14:21", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "button the same way that I turned my"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "kid's iPad off and disabled it. He can't"}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:21", "text": "even turn it on. I have it so I can turn"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "his iPad off. M so I just started"}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "thinking now like how crazy is it to"}, {"end": "01:14:31", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "believe that they could delete photos or"}, {"end": "01:14:35", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "make them blurry or whatever it is that"}, {"end": "01:14:37", "start": "01:14:31", "text": "they're doing. Um in the moment I tried"}, {"end": "01:14:39", "start": "01:14:35", "text": "to rationalize it. I was like well maybe"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:37", "text": "my phone ran out of storage. Maybe"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:39", "text": "whatever. But now hearing and reading a"}, {"end": "01:14:45", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "lot of these other books I mean I'm sure"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "they have the technology. It's not that"}, {"end": "01:14:49", "start": "01:14:45", "text": "surprising. It's not that surprising."}, {"end": "01:14:51", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "Now do they give a flying [\u00a0__\u00a0] I"}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:49", "text": "apologize. You can beat that out. may I"}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:51", "text": "can't imagine them actually going into"}, {"end": "01:14:57", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "my Verizon settings and my 5G and going"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:55", "text": "in there and turning it off. But it it's"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:57", "text": "again it's that idea that thinking how I"}, {"end": "01:15:04", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "my thinking has changed about"}, {"end": "01:15:05", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "advancements. Like 20 years ago, 10"}, {"end": "01:15:07", "start": "01:15:04", "text": "years ago, I couldn't have turned my"}, {"end": "01:15:09", "start": "01:15:05", "text": "son's iPad off. I can now. Yeah. So what"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:07", "text": "is what what are they capable of? And"}, {"end": "01:15:13", "start": "01:15:09", "text": "who's to say that that's they at all? It"}, {"end": "01:15:15", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "could be the military. That's right."}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:13", "text": "Exactly. That's where my head goes. You"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:15", "text": "know, that was close to a military base"}, {"end": "01:15:21", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "as well. Well, there's a lot in Kansas."}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "Uh and uh you know that's what I always"}, {"end": "01:15:25", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "think as well is that so many times I"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "mean how much was a stealth bomber mis"}, {"end": "01:15:30", "start": "01:15:25", "text": "misthought of a UFO? Oh not even just a"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "stealth bomber. I we had John Ramirez on"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:30", "text": "here and he was talking about you know"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "some of the early flights they were the"}, {"end": "01:15:37", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "U2 and like all sorts of like but they"}, {"end": "01:15:40", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "were all painted silver because back"}, {"end": "01:15:42", "start": "01:15:37", "text": "then you didn't have um um a night"}, {"end": "01:15:44", "start": "01:15:40", "text": "vision camera or anything like that. So"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:42", "text": "you didn't have infrared so they would"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:44", "text": "have to be visible. So they made them"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "they're weird shapes. They're silver. I"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "mean, people would call these things all"}, {"end": "01:15:53", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "the time. They would call them in, be"}, {"end": "01:15:56", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "like, \"Hey, Air Force, we got UFOs"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:53", "text": "here.\" And then the CIA sent people to"}, {"end": "01:16:02", "start": "01:15:56", "text": "their houses, not to tell them they saw"}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "something they didn't, just to intel"}, {"end": "01:16:05", "start": "01:16:02", "text": "collection. What do you think it was?"}, {"end": "01:16:07", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "What is it exactly? Well, you know, I"}, {"end": "01:16:09", "start": "01:16:05", "text": "have interesting story. So, I was"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:07", "text": "shooting in a place called Awula in um"}, {"end": "01:16:13", "start": "01:16:09", "text": "Saudi Arabia, and it's the most remote"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "place I've ever been. And there was a"}, {"end": "01:16:16", "start": "01:16:13", "text": "there's a really cool moment where it's"}, {"end": "01:16:19", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "it's this desert, and as far as you can"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:16", "text": "see, it's just sand and rock. And the"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:19", "text": "guide that was taking us around says he"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "stops me and he goes, \"What do you see?\""}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "And I said, \"Sand.\" And he goes, \"What"}, {"end": "01:16:27", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "don't you see?\" And I looked around and"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "and I I he goes, \"Look at the ground."}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:27", "text": "What don't you see?\" And then I"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "realized, he goes, \"Look behind you.\""}, {"end": "01:16:32", "start": "01:16:30", "text": "And there was footprints. And I looked"}, {"end": "01:16:34", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "in front. I goes, \"I don't see"}, {"end": "01:16:36", "start": "01:16:32", "text": "footprints.\" And he says in this desert,"}, {"end": "01:16:39", "start": "01:16:34", "text": "um, when you step on the sand here,"}, {"end": "01:16:41", "start": "01:16:36", "text": "it'll stay here for decades because the"}, {"end": "01:16:43", "start": "01:16:39", "text": "the no rain, the no the no wind. So your"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:41", "text": "footprints will stay there. So if we"}, {"end": "01:16:46", "start": "01:16:43", "text": "were to go back now, you would see our"}, {"end": "01:16:48", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "footprints from where we walked. And so"}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:46", "text": "I'm looking at this beautiful vast"}, {"end": "01:16:52", "start": "01:16:48", "text": "desert that had not been walked in for"}, {"end": "01:16:54", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "so long. And in this shoot, we had"}, {"end": "01:16:56", "start": "01:16:52", "text": "drones and we sent the drones up and we"}, {"end": "01:16:59", "start": "01:16:54", "text": "were going to get this huge picturesque"}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:56", "text": "shot. And as they go up there, they fall"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:16:59", "text": "out of the sky. One falls, the next one"}, {"end": "01:17:06", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "falls. And uh we found out later that"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "that um one of the royal family was"}, {"end": "01:17:11", "start": "01:17:06", "text": "flying in and they have something to"}, {"end": "01:17:13", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "knock drones out of the sky. Whoa. And"}, {"end": "01:17:14", "start": "01:17:11", "text": "uh you know, you think about that like"}, {"end": "01:17:15", "start": "01:17:13", "text": "10 years ago that would have been an"}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:14", "text": "alien to me. I would have been like and"}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:15", "text": "now no it wasn't. It was they they"}, {"end": "01:17:21", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "knocked them out of the sky. Wa. So I"}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "think that so much of of what we do see"}, {"end": "01:17:25", "start": "01:17:21", "text": "could be that. But that thing on 4th of"}, {"end": "01:17:27", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "July which was just I more than anything"}, {"end": "01:17:29", "start": "01:17:25", "text": "I thought I'm an ant. Why would they"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:27", "text": "care about what was on my phone? Um, but"}, {"end": "01:17:33", "start": "01:17:29", "text": "it it it did happen and it was one of"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "those things that I can't I was going to"}, {"end": "01:17:36", "start": "01:17:33", "text": "ask you. I was like, \"Can we see it?\""}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "And then I know I know it's uh it was"}, {"end": "01:17:39", "start": "01:17:36", "text": "but it happened right then and there,"}, {"end": "01:17:42", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "too. Like we're standing around the"}, {"end": "01:17:43", "start": "01:17:39", "text": "phone. So, it was uh it was a it was a"}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:42", "text": "crazy situation. That's a cool moment."}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:43", "text": "Well, that's a cool micro confirmation,"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "you know, of, hey, I really want to see"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:48", "text": "something. They're like, okay, but"}, {"end": "01:17:53", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "here's the caveat. You don't get to keep"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "what you see. You can see it without"}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:53", "text": "your phone. Well, I mean, I like"}, {"end": "01:17:57", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "everyone else, I would get frustrated."}, {"end": "01:17:59", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "Uh, I told you the first book that I"}, {"end": "01:18:02", "start": "01:17:57", "text": "read is like a my a first adult book was"}, {"end": "01:18:04", "start": "01:17:59", "text": "Communion. Um, I agree like I'm on"}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:18:02", "text": "Reddit all the time and why are they"}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:04", "text": "blurry? Why are they out of focus? Why"}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "this, you know, as a filmmaker, we have"}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "HD cameras on us all the time, but then"}, {"end": "01:18:15", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "you realize um if they are as advanced"}, {"end": "01:18:17", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "as as I am with my son, then I could I"}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:15", "text": "could stop anything. Yeah. Not to"}, {"end": "01:18:22", "start": "01:18:17", "text": "mention gravitational distortion"}, {"end": "01:18:25", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "potentially. And not to mention if there"}, {"end": "01:18:28", "start": "01:18:22", "text": "is some type of you know adjustment"}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:25", "text": "bureau type deal happening uh in this"}, {"end": "01:18:32", "start": "01:18:28", "text": "sphere that like anything of consequence"}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:30", "text": "will get snuffed out anyways. Now that's"}, {"end": "01:18:36", "start": "01:18:32", "text": "fringe theory but I mean it's still it's"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "you know it's not off the table. Well as"}, {"end": "01:18:41", "start": "01:18:36", "text": "a filmmaker I have to ask you uh what"}, {"end": "01:18:45", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "are the movies that you watch whether"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:41", "text": "UFO alien that uh have affected you the"}, {"end": "01:18:51", "start": "01:18:45", "text": "most? Um that have affected me the most."}, {"end": "01:18:54", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "Interesting. I mean initially fire in"}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:51", "text": "the sky. Yeah, that the uh abduction"}, {"end": "01:18:57", "start": "01:18:54", "text": "scene in that gave me nightmares as a"}, {"end": "01:19:01", "start": "01:18:55", "text": "kid. I mean that is one of the most"}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:18:57", "text": "horrific uh 15 minutes of of film"}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:19:01", "text": "making. I mean that it it it's even now"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:03", "text": "it's it's hard to watch. Yeah, it was"}, {"end": "01:19:09", "start": "01:19:05", "text": "tough because unlike any other horror"}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:08", "text": "movie that I had seen and I had seen"}, {"end": "01:19:12", "start": "01:19:09", "text": "quite a few I was 9 years old but I had"}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "an older brother, right? So I remember"}, {"end": "01:19:17", "start": "01:19:12", "text": "watching Leprechaun which I know you're"}, {"end": "01:19:19", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "a fan of. Sore spot. Let's not talk"}, {"end": "01:19:21", "start": "01:19:17", "text": "about that. Yeah, I wanted to remake"}, {"end": "01:19:22", "start": "01:19:19", "text": "Leprechaun for years and I know I was"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:21", "text": "kicked off that movie. So, I remember"}, {"end": "01:19:27", "start": "01:19:22", "text": "watching uh Leprechaun. I remember"}, {"end": "01:19:28", "start": "01:19:24", "text": "watching Event Horizon like at a young"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:27", "text": "dude, it's a wild one and talking about"}, {"end": "01:19:35", "start": "01:19:28", "text": "interdimensional hell, you know. Um but"}, {"end": "01:19:38", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "Fire in the Sky, what was so interesting"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:35", "text": "and unique about it was that there was"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:38", "text": "never an explanation given for any of"}, {"end": "01:19:46", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "it. Right? And that didn't sit well with"}, {"end": "01:19:48", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "me as a child. I watched this based on a"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:46", "text": "true story. First of all, an adult"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:48", "text": "telling me that aliens are real. Okay."}, {"end": "01:19:56", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "And I'm seeing this and all the while"}, {"end": "01:19:58", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "I'm waiting for someone to tell me why."}, {"end": "01:20:01", "start": "01:19:56", "text": "Yeah. Right. I'm waiting for someone to"}, {"end": "01:20:04", "start": "01:19:58", "text": "say, \"Oh, that was just or or uh they"}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:20:01", "text": "wanted this or for the aliens to have a"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:04", "text": "conversation among themselves that we"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "could listen in on.\" Nothing. We were"}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "given nothing. They were just shoving"}, {"end": "01:20:15", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "stuff in his mouth and like opening his"}, {"end": "01:20:16", "start": "01:20:13", "text": "eyes and doing all these weird things to"}, {"end": "01:20:18", "start": "01:20:15", "text": "him and then dropping him off and"}, {"end": "01:20:19", "start": "01:20:16", "text": "leaving and we and guess what? We never"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:18", "text": "see him again. I'm like, \"What do you"}, {"end": "01:20:22", "start": "01:20:19", "text": "mean we never see him again?\" They don't"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "come back. They don't tell us what. No,"}, {"end": "01:20:25", "start": "01:20:22", "text": "we never see him again. Well, I think"}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:24", "text": "that probably is life. There's no"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:25", "text": "resolution or explanation that we're"}, {"end": "01:20:29", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "ever going to get that's going to"}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "satisfy us. But that's what sent me on"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:29", "text": "the quest. And I I had the uh the same"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "feeling that movie um unnerved me and"}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "and literally so did Communion. Maybe it"}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "was Christopher Walkin's face that just"}, {"end": "01:20:43", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "scared me. But I mean, that guy's NHI"}, {"end": "01:20:44", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "for sure. I know. Uh, you know, as a kid"}, {"end": "01:20:45", "start": "01:20:43", "text": "growing up and trying to wrap my head"}, {"end": "01:20:47", "start": "01:20:44", "text": "around this thing that there is"}, {"end": "01:20:48", "start": "01:20:45", "text": "something that that that is uh could"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:47", "text": "come in your house in the middle of the"}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:48", "text": "night and paralyze you and you can't do"}, {"end": "01:20:54", "start": "01:20:50", "text": "anything about it. Uh, terrifies me. Um,"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "I remember Poltergeist too was another"}, {"end": "01:20:57", "start": "01:20:54", "text": "one when I was a kid. But let's be"}, {"end": "01:21:00", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "honest though, Killer Clowns from Outer"}, {"end": "01:21:03", "start": "01:20:57", "text": "Space might be the best of them all. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:00", "text": "yeah. I um, you know, I have a fun the"}, {"end": "01:21:08", "start": "01:21:03", "text": "same this ties back into 11-1ven. Uh the"}, {"end": "01:21:10", "start": "01:21:06", "text": "editor uh his name was Martin who was"}, {"end": "01:21:12", "start": "01:21:08", "text": "the assistant editor on the shining told"}, {"end": "01:21:14", "start": "01:21:10", "text": "me the greatest Stanley Kubrick story. I"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:12", "text": "I asked is it is it that he faked the"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:14", "text": "moon landing? Okay. No, stop. No, here's"}, {"end": "01:21:21", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "the story. No, stop. Okay, listen. Uh"}, {"end": "01:21:22", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "it's not that. So, um I said, \"You got"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:21", "text": "to tell me the Stanley Kubrick story.\""}, {"end": "01:21:26", "start": "01:21:22", "text": "And he goes, \"Okay, I got one.\" He was"}, {"end": "01:21:29", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "also an assistant on Dr. Strange Love."}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:26", "text": "And uh he said that one day, and this is"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:29", "text": "in the day where, you know, you didn't"}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:30", "text": "have cell phones. It was a there was a"}, {"end": "01:21:36", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "landline phone and it was it would ring."}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:33", "text": "And he said that he the phone would ring"}, {"end": "01:21:38", "start": "01:21:36", "text": "and he was never supposed to answer the"}, {"end": "01:21:40", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "phone. And he said the phone kept"}, {"end": "01:21:42", "start": "01:21:38", "text": "ringing and ringing and ringing and he"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:40", "text": "finally picked up and they asked for Mr."}, {"end": "01:21:47", "start": "01:21:42", "text": "Kubric and it was someone at the"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "Pentagon and uh he they put him on hold"}, {"end": "01:21:52", "start": "01:21:47", "text": "and said uh Mr. Kubri it's it's so and"}, {"end": "01:21:54", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "so at the Pentagon. Stanley gets really"}, {"end": "01:21:56", "start": "01:21:52", "text": "frustrated. He takes a breath. He picks"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:54", "text": "up the phone. He waits for them to say"}, {"end": "01:21:59", "start": "01:21:56", "text": "something and he hangs up the phone and"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "takes it off the hook."}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:59", "text": "And I'm like what did that mean? And"}, {"end": "01:22:03", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "he's and I said I goes to the moonland."}, {"end": "01:22:06", "start": "01:22:02", "text": "He goes he would not talk about it. He"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "wouldn't address it. He believes what it"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:06", "text": "was was Doctor Strange Love dealt with,"}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "you know, the war room and dropping"}, {"end": "01:22:16", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "bombs that there was a a I don't know if"}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "it was an agency, what when when you had"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:16", "text": "movies that dealt with that, you had to"}, {"end": "01:22:20", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "show them. There was basically a a"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "protocol that they had to watch it to"}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:20", "text": "make sure that uh it's like a dumpster."}, {"end": "01:22:27", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "Yeah. But I would like to believe it was"}, {"end": "01:22:28", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "about the moon landing. I would too. But"}, {"end": "01:22:29", "start": "01:22:27", "text": "but he didn't confirm that. He just said"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:28", "text": "no. He hung up the phone on them and"}, {"end": "01:22:32", "start": "01:22:29", "text": "took it off the hook. Well, I mean,"}, {"end": "01:22:35", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "there was that scene in the ET where"}, {"end": "01:22:37", "start": "01:22:32", "text": "they replaced uh all of the guns with"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:35", "text": "walkie-talkies with walkie-talkies. And"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:37", "text": "and um there's also Flight of the"}, {"end": "01:22:43", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "Navigator. Love that. Which is great, by"}, {"end": "01:22:45", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "the way. And what a prophetic movie in"}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:43", "text": "terms of technology. I had to show that"}, {"end": "01:22:50", "start": "01:22:45", "text": "to my kid. Yeah. And that was filmed on"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "the uh at the Kennedy um at the Kennedy"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:50", "text": "Launch Center there. That was that was"}, {"end": "01:22:56", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "real NASA stuff that was being shown. So"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "that hanger where they had it in was an"}, {"end": "01:23:01", "start": "01:22:56", "text": "actual NASA hanger, right? And so when"}, {"end": "01:23:04", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "they filmed it there and they got the"}, {"end": "01:23:05", "start": "01:23:01", "text": "okay to film it there, um it had to go"}, {"end": "01:23:07", "start": "01:23:04", "text": "through a bunch of screening where they"}, {"end": "01:23:09", "start": "01:23:05", "text": "were like, \"Wait, is it is this too"}, {"end": "01:23:12", "start": "01:23:07", "text": "close to home?\" Yeah, I always wonder"}, {"end": "01:23:14", "start": "01:23:09", "text": "this. Um I I'm, you know, I'm fascinated"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:12", "text": "with conspiracy theories. Um but so much"}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:14", "text": "of it is a conspiracy. There's nothing"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "behind it. It's, you know, I've read uh"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "a lot of websites and and gone down"}, {"end": "01:23:24", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "rabbit holes about Hollywood being"}, {"end": "01:23:27", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "infiltrated by the CIA or, you know,"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:24", "text": "people that are putting uh imagery. I"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:27", "text": "put tons of occult imagery in my movies."}, {"end": "01:23:33", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "tons that are hidden in the background."}, {"end": "01:23:35", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "Uh I go out of my way to do things that"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:33", "text": "I want people to find that most people"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:35", "text": "don't find. No one's telling me to do"}, {"end": "01:23:39", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "it. It's just something because I'm"}, {"end": "01:23:42", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "fascinated by it. There's no one"}, {"end": "01:23:43", "start": "01:23:39", "text": "whispering in my ear. I do wonder on"}, {"end": "01:23:45", "start": "01:23:42", "text": "some of these movies like you always"}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:43", "text": "hear about like uh Steven Spielberg on"}, {"end": "01:23:49", "start": "01:23:45", "text": "ET. Did was Jo Valet or Close Encounters"}, {"end": "01:23:51", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "of a Third Kind. Was he whispering in"}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:49", "text": "his ear, you need to do this, you need"}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:51", "text": "to do this? I often wonder that he had"}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "like skunk work boxes like during the"}, {"end": "01:24:00", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "taping of that. They had that hand"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:58", "text": "scanner which the hand scanner which Bob"}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:00", "text": "Lazar right you know like so many so"}, {"end": "01:24:06", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "many little things that are like like"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:04", "text": "you said and I believe that as well. I"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:06", "text": "believe well I have my own belief about"}, {"end": "01:24:12", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "Spielberg but I do believe that he is a"}, {"end": "01:24:14", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "fan of the UFO stuff. Yeah. And if"}, {"end": "01:24:16", "start": "01:24:12", "text": "you're a fan like you are of the occult."}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:14", "text": "That's just it. I go out of my way to"}, {"end": "01:24:19", "start": "01:24:16", "text": "put it in there and give production"}, {"end": "01:24:21", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "designers things to do. That's right. So"}, {"end": "01:24:23", "start": "01:24:19", "text": "I think so much of it is that like if if"}, {"end": "01:24:25", "start": "01:24:21", "text": "you have an interest uh you will put"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:23", "text": "Easter eggs in your thing and then 20"}, {"end": "01:24:28", "start": "01:24:25", "text": "years from now I'll be a CIA shill"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "because look he's got this this and this"}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:28", "text": "in reality I'm just geeky and I love"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "that stuff. That makes sense to me too."}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "But I but I do wonder how much of it is"}, {"end": "01:24:39", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "there that other side like what what was"}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "that call from Stanley Kubri was you"}, {"end": "01:24:44", "start": "01:24:39", "text": "know I don't know. I have this theory"}, {"end": "01:24:47", "start": "01:24:41", "text": "about Steven Spielberg that I hold dear"}, {"end": "01:24:49", "start": "01:24:44", "text": "and I really want it to be true. Um, you"}, {"end": "01:24:51", "start": "01:24:47", "text": "know, okay, we got this guy who's the"}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:49", "text": "most, you know, prevalent"}, {"end": "01:24:56", "start": "01:24:51", "text": "uh movie director of our time beside"}, {"end": "01:24:58", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "Darren Bowsman in 11-1 11-11. Okay, go"}, {"end": "01:25:00", "start": "01:24:56", "text": "ahead. Close second. Yeah. But, you"}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:24:58", "text": "know, we have Spielberg who's made like"}, {"end": "01:25:06", "start": "01:25:00", "text": "the most iconic movies um in regards to"}, {"end": "01:25:08", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "especially extraterrestrials. He even"}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:06", "text": "put out that Encounters show that I"}, {"end": "01:25:12", "start": "01:25:08", "text": "guess he produced or something. War of"}, {"end": "01:25:14", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "the Worlds. Yeah, War of the Worlds. ET,"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:12", "text": "Close Encounters. Um, got a new one"}, {"end": "01:25:18", "start": "01:25:14", "text": "coming out. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "disclosure. So, that's where I'm getting"}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:18", "text": "to."}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "What if Stephen Spielberg was tasked"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "with disclosure?"}, {"end": "01:25:30", "start": "01:25:26", "text": "So, get this. From early on, Stephen"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "Spielberg doesn't give a lot of"}, {"end": "01:25:34", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "interviews, by the way, about this"}, {"end": "01:25:36", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "stuff. And when he does, he's pretty"}, {"end": "01:25:38", "start": "01:25:34", "text": "standoffish. And he's like, \"Yeah, I'd"}, {"end": "01:25:39", "start": "01:25:36", "text": "love to see one one day. Never saw one.\""}, {"end": "01:25:41", "start": "01:25:38", "text": "And he's kind of, but he doesn't really"}, {"end": "01:25:44", "start": "01:25:39", "text": "lean into it at all. And he's hard to"}, {"end": "01:25:47", "start": "01:25:41", "text": "like pin down. Yeah. What if he was told"}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:44", "text": "early on like, \"Hey, man,"}, {"end": "01:25:51", "start": "01:25:47", "text": "you're going to you're going to be the"}, {"end": "01:25:53", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "soft drip. All right, we're going to"}, {"end": "01:25:55", "start": "01:25:51", "text": "give you uh all these amazing"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:53", "text": "million-dollar contracts, and you're"}, {"end": "01:25:59", "start": "01:25:55", "text": "going to slowly start putting together"}, {"end": "01:26:01", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "these narratives. These narratives of"}, {"end": "01:26:03", "start": "01:25:59", "text": "these beings being benevolent like ET,"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:01", "text": "these narratives like this, like that's"}, {"end": "01:26:09", "start": "01:26:03", "text": "exchange program like Serpo, like all of"}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "these little narratives. over time the"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:09", "text": "payoff."}, {"end": "01:26:15", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "We're going to let you use an actual UFO"}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "in a movie eventually,"}, {"end": "01:26:20", "start": "01:26:15", "text": "but you you got to shut up about it. All"}, {"end": "01:26:22", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "right. So, come 2025,"}, {"end": "01:26:26", "start": "01:26:20", "text": "we hear about this movie that he's"}, {"end": "01:26:27", "start": "01:26:22", "text": "directing called The Dish, right? Which"}, {"end": "01:26:30", "start": "01:26:26", "text": "is like a flying saucer thing. We're"}, {"end": "01:26:33", "start": "01:26:27", "text": "like, \"Oh, cool. The dish, right?\" Then"}, {"end": "01:26:35", "start": "01:26:30", "text": "it gets changed into disclosure. It is"}, {"end": "01:26:38", "start": "01:26:33", "text": "the actual disclosure is what you're"}, {"end": "01:26:41", "start": "01:26:35", "text": "thinking. What if you're in theaters"}, {"end": "01:26:43", "start": "01:26:38", "text": "watching this and you get one of those"}, {"end": "01:26:45", "start": "01:26:41", "text": "just like I saw when I watched Fire in"}, {"end": "01:26:46", "start": "01:26:43", "text": "the Sky, this movie is based on a true"}, {"end": "01:26:50", "start": "01:26:45", "text": "story. What if you get this movie"}, {"end": "01:26:52", "start": "01:26:46", "text": "features an actual UFO and even the"}, {"end": "01:26:54", "start": "01:26:50", "text": "actors don't know that they're inside"}, {"end": "01:26:57", "start": "01:26:52", "text": "one? They think it's a prop or it's just"}, {"end": "01:27:00", "start": "01:26:54", "text": "footage, whatever. But Americans get"}, {"end": "01:27:02", "start": "01:26:57", "text": "disclosure while eating popcorn while"}, {"end": "01:27:06", "start": "01:27:00", "text": "simultaneously"}, {"end": "01:27:09", "start": "01:27:02", "text": "the biggest box office hit of all time."}, {"end": "01:27:11", "start": "01:27:06", "text": "I am I I do believe that if this is all"}, {"end": "01:27:14", "start": "01:27:09", "text": "real, which I believe it is, that there"}, {"end": "01:27:15", "start": "01:27:11", "text": "is an hi and there's all of this. Um,"}, {"end": "01:27:18", "start": "01:27:14", "text": "you know, it has been ingrained in it"}, {"end": "01:27:20", "start": "01:27:15", "text": "since since childhood, since birth. Um,"}, {"end": "01:27:21", "start": "01:27:18", "text": "you know, ET was probably the first one"}, {"end": "01:27:23", "start": "01:27:20", "text": "of those movies that I can remember. It"}, {"end": "01:27:25", "start": "01:27:21", "text": "was it was an event movie for me. And"}, {"end": "01:27:27", "start": "01:27:23", "text": "that I remember seeing, you know, all of"}, {"end": "01:27:28", "start": "01:27:25", "text": "these other alien films where they are"}, {"end": "01:27:31", "start": "01:27:27", "text": "portrayed every number of ways, good,"}, {"end": "01:27:32", "start": "01:27:28", "text": "bad, nefarious, helpful. Um, and then"}, {"end": "01:27:34", "start": "01:27:31", "text": "I'm, you know, like I watch now. I'm"}, {"end": "01:27:36", "start": "01:27:32", "text": "watching the Skinwalker Ranch Show every"}, {"end": "01:27:39", "start": "01:27:34", "text": "week. And it's just like more and more"}, {"end": "01:27:41", "start": "01:27:36", "text": "things are connecting. And, uh, it's"}, {"end": "01:27:42", "start": "01:27:39", "text": "going to make that onlogical shock, I"}, {"end": "01:27:43", "start": "01:27:41", "text": "think, easier for everyone to take"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:42", "text": "because it's been there since birth."}, {"end": "01:27:47", "start": "01:27:43", "text": "It's been there since, you know, if you"}, {"end": "01:27:48", "start": "01:27:45", "text": "ask my 5-year-old daughter what this"}, {"end": "01:27:51", "start": "01:27:47", "text": "image is, she would say, \"That's a gray"}, {"end": "01:27:52", "start": "01:27:48", "text": "alien. How does my 5-year-old daughter I"}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:51", "text": "don't put that around her. I'm not"}, {"end": "01:27:57", "start": "01:27:52", "text": "showing her alien pictures, but it it is"}, {"end": "01:28:00", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "ingrained in the cartoons she watches."}, {"end": "01:28:04", "start": "01:27:57", "text": "Uh, and I think that, you know, it's it"}, {"end": "01:28:07", "start": "01:28:00", "text": "is I I buy that theory 100%. Cuz I don't"}, {"end": "01:28:11", "start": "01:28:04", "text": "think is I think about my reaction. I"}, {"end": "01:28:13", "start": "01:28:07", "text": "wouldn't be mad. No, I'd be like, great"}, {"end": "01:28:15", "start": "01:28:11", "text": "move, America. That's sick. And and just"}, {"end": "01:28:19", "start": "01:28:13", "text": "to corroborate this little thing a"}, {"end": "01:28:22", "start": "01:28:15", "text": "little bit with some anecdotal evidence"}, {"end": "01:28:25", "start": "01:28:19", "text": "when he changed it to disclosure,"}, {"end": "01:28:28", "start": "01:28:22", "text": "uh Anna Lina Anna Paulina Luna, the"}, {"end": "01:28:33", "start": "01:28:25", "text": "congresswoman and I think Burles"}, {"end": "01:28:34", "start": "01:28:28", "text": "uh both retweeted him saying things are"}, {"end": "01:28:37", "start": "01:28:33", "text": "about to get interesting. They both"}, {"end": "01:28:39", "start": "01:28:34", "text": "retweeted that."}, {"end": "01:28:41", "start": "01:28:37", "text": "Dude, I mean he would be I think what's"}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:39", "text": "great about him doing that. So let's"}, {"end": "01:28:46", "start": "01:28:41", "text": "gonna go on this for a minute. He it's"}, {"end": "01:28:48", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "him. Okay. Uh he is revered. He is"}, {"end": "01:28:51", "start": "01:28:46", "text": "iconic and he is beloved. And I think"}, {"end": "01:28:54", "start": "01:28:48", "text": "that it's not like you you have uh you"}, {"end": "01:28:56", "start": "01:28:51", "text": "know some hack guy that made 11-1ven"}, {"end": "01:28:58", "start": "01:28:54", "text": "doing it or you know some subversive"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:56", "text": "filmmakers. Uh he's beloved. Mhm. Uh and"}, {"end": "01:29:03", "start": "01:28:58", "text": "I think that would make a lot of sense."}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "The other side of this coin which is"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:03", "text": "probably the reality that we're living"}, {"end": "01:29:10", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "in."}, {"end": "01:29:12", "start": "01:29:06", "text": "Good luck googling disclosure 2026."}, {"end": "01:29:14", "start": "01:29:10", "text": "Yeah. You're going to get Spielberg."}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:12", "text": "You're not going to get the uh Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:29:17", "start": "01:29:14", "text": "it's the same thing that happened to Men"}, {"end": "01:29:20", "start": "01:29:16", "text": "in Black,"}, {"end": "01:29:22", "start": "01:29:17", "text": "the movie. Yeah. Good luck Googling Men"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:20", "text": "in Black and not seeing Will Smith's"}, {"end": "01:29:25", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "face."}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "I I do have to think though. I mean, do"}, {"end": "01:29:28", "start": "01:29:25", "text": "you do you watch the Skinwalker"}, {"end": "01:29:31", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "documentary or the the TV series? I"}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:28", "text": "stopped, but I I was pretty caught up"}, {"end": "01:29:36", "start": "01:29:31", "text": "with it. You I mean, like I I do look at"}, {"end": "01:29:37", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "things like that. Um which again is"}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "entertainment. I get it. It's completely"}, {"end": "01:29:41", "start": "01:29:37", "text": "entertainment, but there's so much that"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "they're now doing. it's ramping up. Uh"}, {"end": "01:29:47", "start": "01:29:41", "text": "that if I I would wonder if it was real,"}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "why isn't it being shut down? Uh if it's"}, {"end": "01:29:52", "start": "01:29:47", "text": "not real, um why I you you have to be"}, {"end": "01:29:55", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "caught up on it, but it's it's it's"}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:52", "text": "crazy how quickly it's mirroring what"}, {"end": "01:29:59", "start": "01:29:55", "text": "you're hearing in the congressional"}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "oversight committees, how how quickly it"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:59", "text": "is. And so what if it is this"}, {"end": "01:30:04", "start": "01:30:00", "text": "multiaceted thing where all of these"}, {"end": "01:30:07", "start": "01:30:02", "text": "people are doing it from music to TV to"}, {"end": "01:30:09", "start": "01:30:04", "text": "to movies? Um I would completely buy"}, {"end": "01:30:11", "start": "01:30:07", "text": "that. That would be the way to, I think,"}, {"end": "01:30:13", "start": "01:30:09", "text": "walk people through this, handhold them"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:11", "text": "through it. And what if it isn't humans"}, {"end": "01:30:17", "start": "01:30:13", "text": "that are controlling that? What if it's"}, {"end": "01:30:19", "start": "01:30:15", "text": "actually the NHI? You know, there's"}, {"end": "01:30:21", "start": "01:30:17", "text": "there's this story um we talked about"}, {"end": "01:30:23", "start": "01:30:19", "text": "Elron Huard before. Yeah. You watched"}, {"end": "01:30:25", "start": "01:30:21", "text": "that episode with Danny Shein. Yeah, of"}, {"end": "01:30:27", "start": "01:30:23", "text": "course. Yeah. So, with Danny says that"}, {"end": "01:30:29", "start": "01:30:25", "text": "he was offered a job, you know,"}, {"end": "01:30:32", "start": "01:30:27", "text": "representing Elron Huard and he said, \"I"}, {"end": "01:30:33", "start": "01:30:29", "text": "want to see the three most classified"}, {"end": "01:30:35", "start": "01:30:32", "text": "classified files that you guys have.\""}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:33", "text": "And two of them revolved around remote"}, {"end": "01:30:38", "start": "01:30:35", "text": "viewing. One of them, namely, was Pat"}, {"end": "01:30:41", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "Price, where he put on this helmet in"}, {"end": "01:30:44", "start": "01:30:38", "text": "southern Ontario and controlled an"}, {"end": "01:30:47", "start": "01:30:41", "text": "entire town to file their taxes all"}, {"end": "01:30:49", "start": "01:30:44", "text": "simultaneously into this little um this"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:47", "text": "little mail spot like in the town or"}, {"end": "01:30:54", "start": "01:30:49", "text": "whatever. Like 70% of the people did"}, {"end": "01:30:57", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "that. So, it was an experiment to show"}, {"end": "01:31:00", "start": "01:30:54", "text": "kind of like, oh, you can use this"}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:57", "text": "psychic ability to control minds, right?"}, {"end": "01:31:03", "start": "01:31:00", "text": "I don't know whether that's true or not,"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "but that was the file apparently that"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:03", "text": "Danny Sheen was shown."}, {"end": "01:31:10", "start": "01:31:06", "text": "Now, if we can do that, what can they"}, {"end": "01:31:12", "start": "01:31:08", "text": "do? Right? And you hear about stories"}, {"end": "01:31:15", "start": "01:31:10", "text": "where people just, oh, I was flushed"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:12", "text": "with I felt so good in its presence and"}, {"end": "01:31:19", "start": "01:31:15", "text": "I wanted to go along and my memory was"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:17", "text": "gone. Barber said that when his his"}, {"end": "01:31:23", "start": "01:31:19", "text": "thing with the uh the egg, right, that"}, {"end": "01:31:25", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "he just felt this overwhelming sense of"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:23", "text": "peace and blah blah blah. That was with"}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:25", "text": "the actually the eight gone um thing."}, {"end": "01:31:31", "start": "01:31:27", "text": "Yeah. That he got. But but you know who"}, {"end": "01:31:32", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "else said that? Dan Burrish. He said"}, {"end": "01:31:36", "start": "01:31:31", "text": "when you looked into the eyes of the"}, {"end": "01:31:38", "start": "01:31:32", "text": "J-Rod, the alien that he was tasked at"}, {"end": "01:31:40", "start": "01:31:36", "text": "taking these biological samples from,"}, {"end": "01:31:43", "start": "01:31:38", "text": "when you looked into its eyes, he said"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:40", "text": "you would fall into its eyes."}, {"end": "01:31:47", "start": "01:31:43", "text": "And when that happened, they were"}, {"end": "01:31:49", "start": "01:31:45", "text": "trained not to fall into its eyes. By"}, {"end": "01:31:51", "start": "01:31:47", "text": "the way, he had briefing prior"}, {"end": "01:31:53", "start": "01:31:49", "text": "explaining careful because what happens"}, {"end": "01:31:56", "start": "01:31:51", "text": "after that is they start flooding you"}, {"end": "01:31:58", "start": "01:31:53", "text": "with endorphins to make you feel good."}, {"end": "01:32:00", "start": "01:31:56", "text": "And so you have to fight that. So he"}, {"end": "01:32:03", "start": "01:31:58", "text": "said when the J-Rod started realizing"}, {"end": "01:32:06", "start": "01:32:00", "text": "that he was resisting to this flooding"}, {"end": "01:32:08", "start": "01:32:03", "text": "of endorphins, the J-Rod would let go."}, {"end": "01:32:10", "start": "01:32:06", "text": "But he said the consequence of that"}, {"end": "01:32:12", "start": "01:32:08", "text": "was being terrified in the presence of"}, {"end": "01:32:14", "start": "01:32:10", "text": "this thing. Yeah. And he said that's"}, {"end": "01:32:15", "start": "01:32:12", "text": "what they do. He said the rogue ones,"}, {"end": "01:32:17", "start": "01:32:14", "text": "that's what they do when they abduct you"}, {"end": "01:32:19", "start": "01:32:15", "text": "in your bedroom at night. They flood you"}, {"end": "01:32:22", "start": "01:32:17", "text": "with endorphins so that you feel like"}, {"end": "01:32:24", "start": "01:32:19", "text": "it's this benevolent angel and you"}, {"end": "01:32:26", "start": "01:32:22", "text": "forget that it's, you know. So man, I"}, {"end": "01:32:28", "start": "01:32:24", "text": "was like, well, it's so dark and twisted"}, {"end": "01:32:30", "start": "01:32:26", "text": "and wild. But if you can do that, you"}, {"end": "01:32:34", "start": "01:32:28", "text": "can do a lot more. Uh it's it's"}, {"end": "01:32:36", "start": "01:32:30", "text": "fascinating and I keep finding um"}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:34", "text": "connections that that you know, it's"}, {"end": "01:32:40", "start": "01:32:36", "text": "it's just like you see that classic meme"}, {"end": "01:32:42", "start": "01:32:38", "text": "of like someone has a bulletin boards"}, {"end": "01:32:43", "start": "01:32:40", "text": "with a a million strings everywhere."}, {"end": "01:32:45", "start": "01:32:42", "text": "That's me in my head right now with"}, {"end": "01:32:47", "start": "01:32:43", "text": "everything because like I uh I recently"}, {"end": "01:32:51", "start": "01:32:45", "text": "got a movie a script uh about the book"}, {"end": "01:32:54", "start": "01:32:47", "text": "of Enoch and you know reconceptualizing"}, {"end": "01:32:56", "start": "01:32:51", "text": "w that book which is literally about the"}, {"end": "01:32:58", "start": "01:32:54", "text": "angels that fell to earth the watchers"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:56", "text": "as aliens reconceptualizing all that"}, {"end": "01:33:02", "start": "01:32:58", "text": "there's so many connections and when you"}, {"end": "01:33:04", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "look at mistransations of words that we"}, {"end": "01:33:06", "start": "01:33:02", "text": "thought meant one thing actually meant"}, {"end": "01:33:09", "start": "01:33:04", "text": "something else all of these dots just"}, {"end": "01:33:11", "start": "01:33:06", "text": "been to connect and it feels like it's"}, {"end": "01:33:12", "start": "01:33:09", "text": "this endless black hole that we're never"}, {"end": "01:33:15", "start": "01:33:11", "text": "going to get an answer And I hope it is"}, {"end": "01:33:17", "start": "01:33:12", "text": "Spielberg in 2026 with this movie."}, {"end": "01:33:18", "start": "01:33:15", "text": "You're on board with my conspiracy"}, {"end": "01:33:20", "start": "01:33:17", "text": "theory. I want that. I want that to"}, {"end": "01:33:23", "start": "01:33:18", "text": "happen. Same here. I'm going to use all"}, {"end": "01:33:25", "start": "01:33:20", "text": "of the magic and a cult uh intention to"}, {"end": "01:33:26", "start": "01:33:23", "text": "make that happen cuz that would be that"}, {"end": "01:33:28", "start": "01:33:25", "text": "would be awesome. I have the same"}, {"end": "01:33:29", "start": "01:33:26", "text": "feeling. I'm like, this is the one I"}, {"end": "01:33:32", "start": "01:33:28", "text": "hold dear. I'm like, please just let"}, {"end": "01:33:33", "start": "01:33:29", "text": "this one be true. Uh it's building to"}, {"end": "01:33:35", "start": "01:33:32", "text": "something. I mean, like I said, you"}, {"end": "01:33:38", "start": "01:33:33", "text": "cannot open the news now without seeing"}, {"end": "01:33:42", "start": "01:33:35", "text": "something in there that's NHI or un, you"}, {"end": "01:33:45", "start": "01:33:38", "text": "know, UAP. Uh it's building. Yeah. If"}, {"end": "01:33:47", "start": "01:33:42", "text": "you were to rate your top five"}, {"end": "01:33:49", "start": "01:33:45", "text": "UFO"}, {"end": "01:33:51", "start": "01:33:47", "text": "movies in no particular order, what"}, {"end": "01:33:53", "start": "01:33:49", "text": "would those be? Who would make the top"}, {"end": "01:33:58", "start": "01:33:51", "text": "five?"}, {"end": "01:34:00", "start": "01:33:53", "text": "It's so hard. Um, I mean, I definitely"}, {"end": "01:34:01", "start": "01:33:58", "text": "Communion has such a a huge part for me"}, {"end": "01:34:03", "start": "01:34:00", "text": "because of the book, then going straight"}, {"end": "01:34:04", "start": "01:34:01", "text": "into the movie. Fire in the Sky,"}, {"end": "01:34:07", "start": "01:34:03", "text": "obviously."}, {"end": "01:34:07", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "um"}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "Close Encounters because I liked how it"}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:10", "text": "didn't take a fear-based approach. It"}, {"end": "01:34:21", "start": "01:34:12", "text": "was uh more mental in and this guy's"}, {"end": "01:34:23", "start": "01:34:14", "text": "family dynamic. Um ET. Yeah. But"}, {"end": "01:34:25", "start": "01:34:21", "text": "not so much. I'm trying to ones that"}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:23", "text": "that actually stay ET in a different way"}, {"end": "01:34:31", "start": "01:34:25", "text": "because ET was something that I share"}, {"end": "01:34:32", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "with my kids. And so, um,"}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:31", "text": "I'm trying to I'm trying to think. I"}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:32", "text": "mean, I would I would absolutely call"}, {"end": "01:34:39", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "Event Horizon one because I mean, you're"}, {"end": "01:34:42", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "dealing with Insanity and Hell on a"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "Ship. So, to me, it's there. Um,"}, {"end": "01:34:45", "start": "01:34:42", "text": "Interdimensional."}, {"end": "01:34:46", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "Yeah. I'm trying to I'm trying to think"}, {"end": "01:34:49", "start": "01:34:45", "text": "of some more obscure ones that maybe"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:46", "text": "people haven't seen. Uh, Arrival for me"}, {"end": "01:34:53", "start": "01:34:49", "text": "is up there. Arrival is great. And I"}, {"end": "01:34:56", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "think what what I liked about Arrival"}, {"end": "01:34:58", "start": "01:34:53", "text": "was, you know, I think we're so used to"}, {"end": "01:35:00", "start": "01:34:56", "text": "what aliens look like that they are"}, {"end": "01:35:02", "start": "01:34:58", "text": "these either Nordics or they are the the"}, {"end": "01:35:03", "start": "01:35:00", "text": "grays and you have these squidlike"}, {"end": "01:35:06", "start": "01:35:02", "text": "creatures in that thing, which I thought"}, {"end": "01:35:08", "start": "01:35:03", "text": "was was fantastic. And also, he did such"}, {"end": "01:35:10", "start": "01:35:06", "text": "a unique approach because again, it"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:08", "text": "wasn't the classic someone being hunted"}, {"end": "01:35:13", "start": "01:35:10", "text": "or haunted by an alien. Uh so that you"}, {"end": "01:35:17", "start": "01:35:12", "text": "know what, you know, I'm going to add"}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:13", "text": "that. Thank you. Uh, not only the score"}, {"end": "01:35:21", "start": "01:35:17", "text": "and the sound, but just the way that the"}, {"end": "01:35:23", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "aliens were unlike anything that I've"}, {"end": "01:35:25", "start": "01:35:21", "text": "ever seen. It was ominous, too. Um, you"}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:23", "text": "know, another one that I really liked,"}, {"end": "01:35:29", "start": "01:35:25", "text": "um, was the one with Natalie Portman."}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:27", "text": "Uh, I'll think of the name in a second."}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:29", "text": "It's based on a book. Um,"}, {"end": "01:35:36", "start": "01:35:32", "text": "I'm blanking out right now. I'll think"}, {"end": "01:35:39", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "of the name in a second of it, but it's"}, {"end": "01:35:41", "start": "01:35:36", "text": "like she goes to it's like an alien"}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:39", "text": "planet basically that's just like ours."}, {"end": "01:35:44", "start": "01:35:41", "text": "I'll think of it in a second, but it was"}, {"end": "01:35:45", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "uh yeah, I remember seeing it in the"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:44", "text": "theater and it it just just unnerved me"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:45", "text": "and made me uncomfortable. I'll come"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "back to that. Uh"}, {"end": "01:35:53", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "I don't know. And I think that I I'm"}, {"end": "01:35:55", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "also become desensitized now a little"}, {"end": "01:35:57", "start": "01:35:53", "text": "bit because uh you know, I look around"}, {"end": "01:35:59", "start": "01:35:55", "text": "and I see all your books and in the same"}, {"end": "01:36:02", "start": "01:35:57", "text": "way that I feel if I could take back my"}, {"end": "01:36:03", "start": "01:35:59", "text": "first eight films on on anything a"}, {"end": "01:36:07", "start": "01:36:02", "text": "cult-based, I would because it was just"}, {"end": "01:36:08", "start": "01:36:03", "text": "me pretending to uh act like I knew what"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:07", "text": "I was talking about. I didn't. Now that"}, {"end": "01:36:13", "start": "01:36:08", "text": "I've read some of these alien stories,"}, {"end": "01:36:15", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "they are so much more horrific and scary"}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:13", "text": "uh and beautiful than any of the movies."}, {"end": "01:36:21", "start": "01:36:15", "text": "I think so much it's a fear-based thing."}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "Uh and there's so much more to them than"}, {"end": "01:36:24", "start": "01:36:21", "text": "that now. So, I'm trying to think of"}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:22", "text": "some of the obscure ones that I've seen."}, {"end": "01:36:27", "start": "01:36:24", "text": "So, I'm going to come back. I'll answer"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "that maybe uh maybe off air and you can"}, {"end": "01:36:30", "start": "01:36:27", "text": "put it on the screen. Darren thought"}, {"end": "01:36:33", "start": "01:36:29", "text": "about it."}, {"end": "01:36:35", "start": "01:36:30", "text": "I um yeah, I I'm Flight of Navigators"}, {"end": "01:36:38", "start": "01:36:33", "text": "made that list for me uh because that"}, {"end": "01:36:40", "start": "01:36:35", "text": "was like a big event for me as a kid. Uh"}, {"end": "01:36:41", "start": "01:36:38", "text": "I I actually you know what I wrote down"}, {"end": "01:36:44", "start": "01:36:40", "text": "um on here. I'm going to go see where my"}, {"end": "01:36:45", "start": "01:36:41", "text": "my movies were. So I actually put down"}, {"end": "01:36:48", "start": "01:36:44", "text": "some well to see if you'd seen some of"}, {"end": "01:36:49", "start": "01:36:45", "text": "these. Um so the ones that I wrote down"}, {"end": "01:36:52", "start": "01:36:48", "text": "were Close Encounters, The Phenomenon,"}, {"end": "01:36:54", "start": "01:36:49", "text": "which uh it's a documentary, The Fourth"}, {"end": "01:36:56", "start": "01:36:52", "text": "Kind. Um uh and it's not that it's a"}, {"end": "01:36:59", "start": "01:36:54", "text": "great it's a mockumentary, but uh I saw"}, {"end": "01:37:01", "start": "01:36:56", "text": "it really late at night and uh I didn't"}, {"end": "01:37:03", "start": "01:36:59", "text": "know until like 10 or 15 minutes in it"}, {"end": "01:37:06", "start": "01:37:01", "text": "was not real and I I just it those"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:03", "text": "always unnerve me. Um yeah, found"}, {"end": "01:37:08", "start": "01:37:06", "text": "footage type stuff. Yeah, I mean the"}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "Arrival, which I which I do have on"}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:08", "text": "here. Um"}, {"end": "01:37:15", "start": "01:37:11", "text": "yeah, I have more occult movies than I"}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "have UFO movies, but those are those are"}, {"end": "01:37:18", "start": "01:37:15", "text": "uh what is what? So your all-time"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "favorite would be Flight of the"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:18", "text": "Navigator. No. All-time favorite. I"}, {"end": "01:37:25", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "would say it might be Arrival. I've seen"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "it a bunch of times and every time I"}, {"end": "01:37:31", "start": "01:37:25", "text": "watch it, I get something new from it. I"}, {"end": "01:37:34", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "It It borrows from certain themes as"}, {"end": "01:37:38", "start": "01:37:31", "text": "well if you uh um Childhood Childhood's"}, {"end": "01:37:41", "start": "01:37:34", "text": "End, right? Um by um blanking out on his"}, {"end": "01:37:44", "start": "01:37:38", "text": "name right now. Um"}, {"end": "01:37:47", "start": "01:37:41", "text": "why am I blanking out on his name?"}, {"end": "01:37:49", "start": "01:37:44", "text": "Uh you'll put it up on your popup. Like"}, {"end": "01:37:50", "start": "01:37:47", "text": "I'm going to put my Natalie Portman"}, {"end": "01:37:53", "start": "01:37:49", "text": "movie up on the plot. Yeah, exactly. But"}, {"end": "01:37:55", "start": "01:37:50", "text": "child childhoods end uh in there has a"}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:53", "text": "similar plot where the aliens just show"}, {"end": "01:38:00", "start": "01:37:55", "text": "up and they wait"}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "and then everybody gets all hectic and"}, {"end": "01:38:03", "start": "01:38:00", "text": "like are they going to attack? And then"}, {"end": "01:38:06", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "the guns put down and then there's this"}, {"end": "01:38:08", "start": "01:38:03", "text": "whole waiting period. I think that's how"}, {"end": "01:38:11", "start": "01:38:06", "text": "it would happen. I think if if they were"}, {"end": "01:38:13", "start": "01:38:08", "text": "to show up, right, it wouldn't be show"}, {"end": "01:38:16", "start": "01:38:11", "text": "up, open the door, what's up? It would"}, {"end": "01:38:17", "start": "01:38:13", "text": "be show up, let's let them take this in"}, {"end": "01:38:20", "start": "01:38:16", "text": "for a second. famous I think it's called"}, {"end": "01:38:21", "start": "01:38:17", "text": "the monsters are do at Maple Street um"}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:20", "text": "which is the famous and again it's"}, {"end": "01:38:26", "start": "01:38:21", "text": "either Twilight Zone or it's Twilight"}, {"end": "01:38:29", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "Zone where the whole it's a great"}, {"end": "01:38:31", "start": "01:38:26", "text": "premise these two aliens are overth"}, {"end": "01:38:33", "start": "01:38:29", "text": "what was that Arthur Cart the aliens do"}, {"end": "01:38:34", "start": "01:38:31", "text": "at Maple Street childhood childhood uh"}, {"end": "01:38:37", "start": "01:38:33", "text": "well this one is these two aliens"}, {"end": "01:38:40", "start": "01:38:34", "text": "overlooking a neighborhood and uh they"}, {"end": "01:38:41", "start": "01:38:37", "text": "let the this suburban thing destroy"}, {"end": "01:38:43", "start": "01:38:40", "text": "themselves like we don't have to do"}, {"end": "01:38:45", "start": "01:38:41", "text": "anything just wait watch and the panic"}, {"end": "01:38:47", "start": "01:38:43", "text": "that ensues they do everything and I"}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:45", "text": "think that was that it is"}, {"end": "01:38:50", "start": "01:38:47", "text": "Sometimes to me the scariest movies are"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "the ones that are most subtle that are"}, {"end": "01:38:56", "start": "01:38:50", "text": "not in your face. Uh and maybe that's"}, {"end": "01:38:58", "start": "01:38:52", "text": "why um Fire in the Sky is so upsetting"}, {"end": "01:39:00", "start": "01:38:56", "text": "is because it's it's a small community"}, {"end": "01:39:02", "start": "01:38:58", "text": "and it's more it's it's almost as much"}, {"end": "01:39:03", "start": "01:39:00", "text": "about the community turning on him and"}, {"end": "01:39:05", "start": "01:39:02", "text": "not believing him than it is the aliens"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:03", "text": "and what they did. And I think that to"}, {"end": "01:39:09", "start": "01:39:05", "text": "me that's scarier. There's that great"}, {"end": "01:39:11", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "scene in that I might Shyamalan film"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:09", "text": "that everyone remembers where the alien"}, {"end": "01:39:14", "start": "01:39:11", "text": "comes by the window. you're in the"}, {"end": "01:39:16", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "background and they're looking and that"}, {"end": "01:39:18", "start": "01:39:14", "text": "little thing terrified me because it was"}, {"end": "01:39:20", "start": "01:39:16", "text": "subtle. It wasn't in your face. It"}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:18", "text": "wasn't on video. It was on video. It was"}, {"end": "01:39:23", "start": "01:39:20", "text": "on video. It was on video, but they were"}, {"end": "01:39:25", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "looking through a window filming it and"}, {"end": "01:39:27", "start": "01:39:23", "text": "it was to me I think that's scarier"}, {"end": "01:39:29", "start": "01:39:25", "text": "because it is so subtle and I think that"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:27", "text": "they will come like a thief in the"}, {"end": "01:39:32", "start": "01:39:29", "text": "night. It's not going to be this big"}, {"end": "01:39:34", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "spectacle thing that we're expecting."}, {"end": "01:39:36", "start": "01:39:32", "text": "Um, and I think that to me is"}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:34", "text": "terrifying. Do you ever see the vast of"}, {"end": "01:39:40", "start": "01:39:36", "text": "night?"}, {"end": "01:39:41", "start": "01:39:38", "text": "You got there. Uh, I want to go back"}, {"end": "01:39:43", "start": "01:39:40", "text": "here to my to my UFO thing. Just so you"}, {"end": "01:39:45", "start": "01:39:41", "text": "know, I'm not uh Look at number fourth"}, {"end": "01:39:48", "start": "01:39:43", "text": "one down. Oh, yeah. Vast of Night. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:39:50", "start": "01:39:45", "text": "I loved that one. That was a directorial"}, {"end": "01:39:52", "start": "01:39:48", "text": "debut by the director. Forget his name,"}, {"end": "01:39:54", "start": "01:39:50", "text": "but that was his first movie. He did"}, {"end": "01:39:56", "start": "01:39:52", "text": "some really interesting cinematic things"}, {"end": "01:39:59", "start": "01:39:54", "text": "in there, you know, a lot of one shot."}, {"end": "01:40:01", "start": "01:39:56", "text": "Yeah. Um, those were shot on uh gas"}, {"end": "01:40:03", "start": "01:39:59", "text": "powered go-karts. That's so crazy cuz"}, {"end": "01:40:05", "start": "01:40:01", "text": "they were like going super fast. And I"}, {"end": "01:40:07", "start": "01:40:03", "text": "loved the whole movie because it was"}, {"end": "01:40:09", "start": "01:40:05", "text": "based in this sort of midcentury time"}, {"end": "01:40:12", "start": "01:40:07", "text": "where like TVs weren't really a thing"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:09", "text": "yet. Uh but radios shows were still"}, {"end": "01:40:18", "start": "01:40:12", "text": "really prevalent and the audio of that"}, {"end": "01:40:21", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "creating that tone of these aliens"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:18", "text": "arriving through phone calls, through"}, {"end": "01:40:25", "start": "01:40:21", "text": "these weird anomalous sounds, through"}, {"end": "01:40:27", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "the power going out. And then at one"}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:25", "text": "point there's this scene in the car"}, {"end": "01:40:33", "start": "01:40:27", "text": "where they're driving and they're"}, {"end": "01:40:35", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "playing a recording of this lady who had"}, {"end": "01:40:37", "start": "01:40:33", "text": "a run in with these extraterrestrials"}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:35", "text": "and she starts speaking in tongues"}, {"end": "01:40:42", "start": "01:40:37", "text": "almost or something and the driver and"}, {"end": "01:40:45", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "the passenger just start going like"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:42", "text": "this. Yeah. It and their heads go back"}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:45", "text": "and you're like, \"Wow, what is this?\""}, {"end": "01:40:51", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "Well, I think that we can't comprehend"}, {"end": "01:40:53", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "the idea of of aliens themselves. you're"}, {"end": "01:40:54", "start": "01:40:51", "text": "left with things like Mars attacks or"}, {"end": "01:40:56", "start": "01:40:53", "text": "something that's bigger than life, but"}, {"end": "01:40:57", "start": "01:40:54", "text": "we understand human and how humans will"}, {"end": "01:40:59", "start": "01:40:56", "text": "react. And I think that the ones that I"}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:57", "text": "gravitate to are the more human stories."}, {"end": "01:41:03", "start": "01:40:59", "text": "I mean, even communion, uh, I'm not"}, {"end": "01:41:05", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "talking about the book right now, but"}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:03", "text": "the movie, it's through the eyes of of,"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:05", "text": "you know, in this case, Christopher"}, {"end": "01:41:10", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "Walkin in in the in the fire in the sky,"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:09", "text": "it's through his eyes. And I think that"}, {"end": "01:41:14", "start": "01:41:10", "text": "it's more terrifying because you"}, {"end": "01:41:16", "start": "01:41:12", "text": "understand that you can comprehend it."}, {"end": "01:41:17", "start": "01:41:14", "text": "The same thing with Vast of Knife. It's"}, {"end": "01:41:19", "start": "01:41:16", "text": "what you don't see. It's why Spielberg,"}, {"end": "01:41:21", "start": "01:41:17", "text": "I think, is a is a is a amazing like go"}, {"end": "01:41:23", "start": "01:41:19", "text": "back to Jaws. How often do you really"}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:21", "text": "see the shark? You don't. But you see"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:23", "text": "how it affects everyone in the town, in"}, {"end": "01:41:30", "start": "01:41:24", "text": "the community. Um, I'm more scared about"}, {"end": "01:41:31", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "how we react when aliens come than I am"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:30", "text": "what the aliens are actually going to"}, {"end": "01:41:37", "start": "01:41:31", "text": "do. I mean, the chaos, the riots, the"}, {"end": "01:41:39", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "looting, the utter fear is, I think,"}, {"end": "01:41:41", "start": "01:41:37", "text": "more um worrisome than whatever the"}, {"end": "01:41:44", "start": "01:41:39", "text": "ships bring in. Well, that might be the"}, {"end": "01:41:48", "start": "01:41:41", "text": "reason it hasn't happened yet. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:44", "text": "it could be. Uh that is uh I'm trying to"}, {"end": "01:41:53", "start": "01:41:48", "text": "think because there's so many obscure"}, {"end": "01:41:55", "start": "01:41:50", "text": "alien films that uh I know I'm leaving"}, {"end": "01:41:58", "start": "01:41:53", "text": "off this list. Uh and there's a bunch of"}, {"end": "01:42:00", "start": "01:41:55", "text": "older ones too. Well, I mean like The"}, {"end": "01:42:01", "start": "01:41:58", "text": "Day the Earth Stood Still I remember was"}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:42:00", "text": "something they showed in film school"}, {"end": "01:42:05", "start": "01:42:01", "text": "which again I mean now and it's it's"}, {"end": "01:42:08", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "it's kind of ridiculous with what how"}, {"end": "01:42:09", "start": "01:42:05", "text": "far we've come. But just that idea um"}, {"end": "01:42:10", "start": "01:42:08", "text": "terrifies me. But I also love"}, {"end": "01:42:14", "start": "01:42:09", "text": "documentaries. I mean, all of James"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:10", "text": "Fox's stuff I I find um fascinating and"}, {"end": "01:42:19", "start": "01:42:14", "text": "I'm I'm excited to see I know you saw"}, {"end": "01:42:22", "start": "01:42:15", "text": "the documentary uh at Southby. Yeah. Um"}, {"end": "01:42:24", "start": "01:42:19", "text": "Age of Disclosure. Yeah. Uh I get really"}, {"end": "01:42:27", "start": "01:42:22", "text": "now the older I get more wrapped up in"}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:24", "text": "documentaries. It's um I I I liked it"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:27", "text": "for people who for the uninitiated I"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "would say it is a great sort of"}, {"end": "01:42:39", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "initiation by credible. I think 34"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "people were interviewed, right, that had"}, {"end": "01:42:44", "start": "01:42:39", "text": "firsthand knowledge of some type of"}, {"end": "01:42:47", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "program or some type of uh experience"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:44", "text": "within like military, right? You know,"}, {"end": "01:42:51", "start": "01:42:47", "text": "surroundings. For me, however, like"}, {"end": "01:42:52", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "that's going to that's going to hit home"}, {"end": "01:42:56", "start": "01:42:51", "text": "with a lot of people who are on the"}, {"end": "01:42:58", "start": "01:42:52", "text": "fence. I know that. Right. For me, I'm"}, {"end": "01:43:00", "start": "01:42:56", "text": "I'd much more gravitate towards"}, {"end": "01:43:04", "start": "01:42:58", "text": "something like Moment of Contact. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:43:06", "start": "01:43:00", "text": "Where it's about, you know, people in a"}, {"end": "01:43:09", "start": "01:43:04", "text": "town. Yeah. who these people have no"}, {"end": "01:43:12", "start": "01:43:06", "text": "real agenda. Coming on camera to them"}, {"end": "01:43:15", "start": "01:43:09", "text": "makes their life worse, not better. I"}, {"end": "01:43:18", "start": "01:43:12", "text": "just read a a huge kind of book on"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:15", "text": "Heaven's Gate or the Hailbop Comet goes"}, {"end": "01:43:21", "start": "01:43:18", "text": "back goes back to the idea of going full"}, {"end": "01:43:24", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "circle of cult and their believability"}, {"end": "01:43:28", "start": "01:43:21", "text": "or their uh so many cults have this um"}, {"end": "01:43:29", "start": "01:43:24", "text": "tie-in to something celestial um and"}, {"end": "01:43:31", "start": "01:43:28", "text": "what they will do for that belief"}, {"end": "01:43:34", "start": "01:43:29", "text": "system. In that case, they these people"}, {"end": "01:43:36", "start": "01:43:31", "text": "all killed themselves uh for this belief"}, {"end": "01:43:38", "start": "01:43:34", "text": "of a UFO trailing a comment that they"}, {"end": "01:43:40", "start": "01:43:36", "text": "could do this and end up there. Um and"}, {"end": "01:43:41", "start": "01:43:38", "text": "what year was that 98? Yeah, I was I"}, {"end": "01:43:43", "start": "01:43:40", "text": "don't remember what it was, but if you"}, {"end": "01:43:45", "start": "01:43:41", "text": "go back and watch I think I was in high"}, {"end": "01:43:47", "start": "01:43:43", "text": "school when that happened. The videos of"}, {"end": "01:43:49", "start": "01:43:45", "text": "D and I forgot what his name was on it."}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:47", "text": "What he called himself. Uh it's"}, {"end": "01:43:52", "start": "01:43:49", "text": "terrifying. And again, it goes back to"}, {"end": "01:43:54", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "belief. It goes back to faith. What they"}, {"end": "01:43:56", "start": "01:43:52", "text": "believed in, what they allowed"}, {"end": "01:43:57", "start": "01:43:54", "text": "themselves to believe in, and what they"}, {"end": "01:44:00", "start": "01:43:56", "text": "would do for their belief and their"}, {"end": "01:44:03", "start": "01:43:57", "text": "faith. It's like a riyale. Yeah, it's"}, {"end": "01:44:08", "start": "01:44:00", "text": "it's uh it's to me it's it's terrifying"}, {"end": "01:44:10", "start": "01:44:03", "text": "and I um the more I experiment in in my"}, {"end": "01:44:12", "start": "01:44:08", "text": "own faith, it's it's it's crazy when you"}, {"end": "01:44:14", "start": "01:44:10", "text": "when you go down that rabbit hole. Uh"}, {"end": "01:44:15", "start": "01:44:12", "text": "but if you for those that don't know, I"}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:14", "text": "mean that the Hailbop thing or the"}, {"end": "01:44:20", "start": "01:44:15", "text": "Heavensgate cult thing is pretty pretty"}, {"end": "01:44:22", "start": "01:44:17", "text": "horrific. Yeah. I mean it's it's akin to"}, {"end": "01:44:24", "start": "01:44:20", "text": "like the Jonestown stuff, you know,"}, {"end": "01:44:25", "start": "01:44:22", "text": "people"}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:24", "text": "it's you know, people drinking Kool-Aid"}, {"end": "01:44:32", "start": "01:44:25", "text": "pretty much. Um, pretty pretty insane"}, {"end": "01:44:34", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "stuff. But yeah, that idea of ascending"}, {"end": "01:44:36", "start": "01:44:32", "text": "to something higher, some higher"}, {"end": "01:44:39", "start": "01:44:34", "text": "purpose, you know, and I mean I I can't"}, {"end": "01:44:40", "start": "01:44:36", "text": "even imagine unless they are all the"}, {"end": "01:44:42", "start": "01:44:39", "text": "correct ones and we're not like maybe"}, {"end": "01:44:44", "start": "01:44:40", "text": "they are on the back of that comment"}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:42", "text": "somewhere and they're laughing at us"}, {"end": "01:44:48", "start": "01:44:44", "text": "right now. I think if that's the case,"}, {"end": "01:44:50", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "we'll all end up on the comet"}, {"end": "01:44:52", "start": "01:44:48", "text": "eventually. Uh, I just want now I'm"}, {"end": "01:44:54", "start": "01:44:50", "text": "fascinated with your uh Spielberg thing."}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:52", "text": "Uh, I want that to happen. That's will"}, {"end": "01:44:58", "start": "01:44:54", "text": "be his fourth movie, I guess, right? ET,"}, {"end": "01:44:59", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "Close Encounters of the Third Kind, War"}, {"end": "01:45:01", "start": "01:44:58", "text": "of the Worlds. This will be his fourth."}, {"end": "01:45:05", "start": "01:44:59", "text": "Yeah. And he did the encounters. He did"}, {"end": "01:45:07", "start": "01:45:01", "text": "the docu The show. Yeah. Yeah. The show."}, {"end": "01:45:10", "start": "01:45:05", "text": "Um Yeah. And this I mean, you have to"}, {"end": "01:45:12", "start": "01:45:07", "text": "expect this. He's getting up there as"}, {"end": "01:45:14", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "well. You'd have to expect this to like"}, {"end": "01:45:15", "start": "01:45:12", "text": "Is this the Magnum Opus? Is this I was"}, {"end": "01:45:17", "start": "01:45:14", "text": "hoping that when Jimmy Carter before he"}, {"end": "01:45:19", "start": "01:45:15", "text": "passed, he was going to drop some uh"}, {"end": "01:45:20", "start": "01:45:17", "text": "deathbed confession about what he knew"}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:19", "text": "and what he heard because you've heard"}, {"end": "01:45:24", "start": "01:45:20", "text": "the story about him like hearing all"}, {"end": "01:45:25", "start": "01:45:22", "text": "that information. Uh I keep waiting. I"}, {"end": "01:45:27", "start": "01:45:24", "text": "keep waiting for that person to do the"}, {"end": "01:45:30", "start": "01:45:25", "text": "deathbed confession. Deathbed stuff is"}, {"end": "01:45:33", "start": "01:45:27", "text": "the most compelling stuff. Uh I agree."}, {"end": "01:45:35", "start": "01:45:30", "text": "Yeah. Um I was Oscar Wolf guy who, you"}, {"end": "01:45:38", "start": "01:45:33", "text": "know, talked about S4 and meeting that"}, {"end": "01:45:40", "start": "01:45:35", "text": "alien at S4. Yeah. Was that the one that"}, {"end": "01:45:42", "start": "01:45:38", "text": "was just on? I just listened to um the"}, {"end": "01:45:44", "start": "01:45:40", "text": "American Alchemist one where the guy was"}, {"end": "01:45:46", "start": "01:45:42", "text": "about to die. I Danny Danny Sheen talked"}, {"end": "01:45:49", "start": "01:45:44", "text": "about it. But originally it was he was"}, {"end": "01:45:51", "start": "01:45:46", "text": "interviewed I think by Richard Dolan and"}, {"end": "01:45:53", "start": "01:45:49", "text": "Jeremy Corbell actually was filming that"}, {"end": "01:45:55", "start": "01:45:51", "text": "interview where you see that guy in the"}, {"end": "01:45:59", "start": "01:45:53", "text": "video. the guy talking about it. Yeah, I"}, {"end": "01:46:00", "start": "01:45:55", "text": "uh that"}, {"end": "01:46:02", "start": "01:45:59", "text": "it's it's going to happen soon. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:46:03", "start": "01:46:00", "text": "everyone's saying that date 2027. I"}, {"end": "01:46:05", "start": "01:46:02", "text": "don't know what that but maybe Spielberg"}, {"end": "01:46:06", "start": "01:46:03", "text": "has himself two years to get this movie"}, {"end": "01:46:09", "start": "01:46:05", "text": "out before."}, {"end": "01:46:11", "start": "01:46:06", "text": "Well, it's I is he is it 2026 he's"}, {"end": "01:46:13", "start": "01:46:09", "text": "putting it out? I think so. But that"}, {"end": "01:46:15", "start": "01:46:11", "text": "that gets us ready for 2027 when the"}, {"end": "01:46:19", "start": "01:46:13", "text": "actual thing arrives. That's what I'm"}, {"end": "01:46:21", "start": "01:46:15", "text": "saying. Uh, way too suspicious to change"}, {"end": "01:46:23", "start": "01:46:19", "text": "it from the dish or whatever to"}, {"end": "01:46:25", "start": "01:46:21", "text": "disclosure."}, {"end": "01:46:28", "start": "01:46:23", "text": "Yeah, what a terrible name for a movie."}, {"end": "01:46:30", "start": "01:46:25", "text": "I'm sorry. Not a great name. I just"}, {"end": "01:46:32", "start": "01:46:28", "text": "don't know any other time that it has"}, {"end": "01:46:35", "start": "01:46:30", "text": "been this prevalent and this accepted"}, {"end": "01:46:37", "start": "01:46:32", "text": "where I remember talking about UFOs at"}, {"end": "01:46:39", "start": "01:46:35", "text": "Christmas dinner 10 years ago and my mom"}, {"end": "01:46:40", "start": "01:46:37", "text": "would just be like, \"Stop, stop, stop."}, {"end": "01:46:42", "start": "01:46:39", "text": "Don't they'll talk about it.\" Now, you"}, {"end": "01:46:44", "start": "01:46:40", "text": "know, it's on C-SPAN, you know, that"}, {"end": "01:46:45", "start": "01:46:42", "text": "you're you're watching. I don't know"}, {"end": "01:46:47", "start": "01:46:44", "text": "when else is entertainment that I've sat"}, {"end": "01:46:48", "start": "01:46:45", "text": "down and watched a joint oversight"}, {"end": "01:46:50", "start": "01:46:47", "text": "committee, you know, talking and"}, {"end": "01:46:51", "start": "01:46:48", "text": "whatever. I mean, I sat there and"}, {"end": "01:46:53", "start": "01:46:50", "text": "watched it if it was the Super Bowl."}, {"end": "01:46:55", "start": "01:46:51", "text": "Yeah. Um,"}, {"end": "01:46:57", "start": "01:46:53", "text": "the world has changed rapidly and it's"}, {"end": "01:46:58", "start": "01:46:55", "text": "changing quicker and I think AI is just"}, {"end": "01:47:00", "start": "01:46:57", "text": "going to push it further. Gets harder"}, {"end": "01:47:02", "start": "01:46:58", "text": "and harder to hide things. But you had"}, {"end": "01:47:05", "start": "01:47:00", "text": "briefings like that happen post, you"}, {"end": "01:47:07", "start": "01:47:02", "text": "know, 1952 and the the flap that"}, {"end": "01:47:10", "start": "01:47:05", "text": "happened over Washington as well. you"}, {"end": "01:47:12", "start": "01:47:07", "text": "had a a you know general or whatever uh"}, {"end": "01:47:14", "start": "01:47:10", "text": "on TV talking about you know we don't"}, {"end": "01:47:16", "start": "01:47:12", "text": "know what these things are they're not"}, {"end": "01:47:18", "start": "01:47:14", "text": "ours you know what I mean so it feels"}, {"end": "01:47:21", "start": "01:47:16", "text": "like history a little bit to a certain"}, {"end": "01:47:22", "start": "01:47:18", "text": "extent is repeating itself over and over"}, {"end": "01:47:25", "start": "01:47:21", "text": "again it does seem like we're getting"}, {"end": "01:47:28", "start": "01:47:22", "text": "closer but the one thing that I that is"}, {"end": "01:47:31", "start": "01:47:25", "text": "coming more and more clear for me is"}, {"end": "01:47:33", "start": "01:47:28", "text": "that disclosure is not going to come"}, {"end": "01:47:35", "start": "01:47:31", "text": "in the form of like some redacted"}, {"end": "01:47:37", "start": "01:47:33", "text": "document and it's not going to come from"}, {"end": "01:47:40", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "any figurehead telling you whether a"}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:37", "text": "president or whether anyone else it'll"}, {"end": "01:47:45", "start": "01:47:40", "text": "come from a personal belief system. You"}, {"end": "01:47:48", "start": "01:47:42", "text": "know, if I told you, oh, I have"}, {"end": "01:47:50", "start": "01:47:45", "text": "irrefutable proof of Jesus Christ, will"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:48", "text": "that make you believe in Jesus? Do you"}, {"end": "01:47:54", "start": "01:47:50", "text": "know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that"}, {"end": "01:47:56", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "you just hit it is that it took me"}, {"end": "01:47:59", "start": "01:47:54", "text": "wanting to know slight of hand to go"}, {"end": "01:48:01", "start": "01:47:56", "text": "down the rabbit hole to to accept books"}, {"end": "01:48:02", "start": "01:47:59", "text": "that I never thought I would read and go"}, {"end": "01:48:04", "start": "01:48:01", "text": "down rabbit holes I never thought I'd go"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:02", "text": "down because I found it was a way that I"}, {"end": "01:48:08", "start": "01:48:04", "text": "understood it and it was a way that"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "worked for me. And I think that I still"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:08", "text": "sound like a crazy person when I talk to"}, {"end": "01:48:14", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "my wife about it or anything like that"}, {"end": "01:48:17", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "because you're trying to conceptualize"}, {"end": "01:48:19", "start": "01:48:14", "text": "uh volumes of books in a 2-minute"}, {"end": "01:48:20", "start": "01:48:17", "text": "conversation before their eyes glaze"}, {"end": "01:48:22", "start": "01:48:19", "text": "over and you're trying to get those"}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:20", "text": "bullet points out. It made sense to me."}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:22", "text": "I think that every person's going to"}, {"end": "01:48:27", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "come to it on their own accord of what"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "makes sense to them. Um but you know, it"}, {"end": "01:48:31", "start": "01:48:27", "text": "challenged my belief system. It all"}, {"end": "01:48:33", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "started with double lifts and carts and"}, {"end": "01:48:35", "start": "01:48:31", "text": "I was like, how do they do that? And now"}, {"end": "01:48:36", "start": "01:48:33", "text": "here we are years later and I am, you"}, {"end": "01:48:39", "start": "01:48:35", "text": "know, probably spent my kids college"}, {"end": "01:48:42", "start": "01:48:36", "text": "fund on esoteric texts and, you know,"}, {"end": "01:48:44", "start": "01:48:39", "text": "ritualistic documentation. Uh, all for"}, {"end": "01:48:45", "start": "01:48:42", "text": "the same reason. I want to understand"}, {"end": "01:48:48", "start": "01:48:44", "text": "why people believe this, why they think"}, {"end": "01:48:50", "start": "01:48:45", "text": "it, and how it works. Uh, but it will be"}, {"end": "01:48:52", "start": "01:48:48", "text": "unique and individual for everyone. At"}, {"end": "01:48:53", "start": "01:48:50", "text": "least right now it will be until the"}, {"end": "01:48:56", "start": "01:48:52", "text": "until Spielberg puts out his movie."}, {"end": "01:48:58", "start": "01:48:53", "text": "Until there's a UFO on the lawn. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:56", "text": "On the lawn of the White House. Exactly."}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:58", "text": "Exactly. I'm going to go start. We got"}, {"end": "01:49:04", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "some questions here coming in from uh"}, {"end": "01:49:05", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "the members. So, if you're a member uh"}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:04", "text": "for five bucks a month, you you can"}, {"end": "01:49:09", "start": "01:49:05", "text": "become a member of the Area 52 team."}, {"end": "01:49:11", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "Basically, become an intern and you have"}, {"end": "01:49:13", "start": "01:49:09", "text": "access to so many different things. I'm"}, {"end": "01:49:16", "start": "01:49:11", "text": "put my H a Oh, look at this guy. He's a"}, {"end": "01:49:18", "start": "01:49:13", "text": "real member. Um so, you guys Yeah, you"}, {"end": "01:49:20", "start": "01:49:16", "text": "guys can check that out. And with the"}, {"end": "01:49:22", "start": "01:49:18", "text": "membership, you get all sorts of cool"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:20", "text": "stuff, but namely you get to ask our"}, {"end": "01:49:24", "start": "01:49:22", "text": "guest or you get the opportunity to ask"}, {"end": "01:49:28", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "our guest a question. If you give me a"}, {"end": "01:49:30", "start": "01:49:24", "text": "second, I'm going to go turn that on."}, {"end": "01:49:32", "start": "01:49:28", "text": "My mom told me a cool story. My mom was"}, {"end": "01:49:35", "start": "01:49:30", "text": "uh I found out recently my mom had a"}, {"end": "01:49:36", "start": "01:49:32", "text": "secret. She had a top secret clearance."}, {"end": "01:49:40", "start": "01:49:35", "text": "She never told me until she was in her"}, {"end": "01:49:41", "start": "01:49:36", "text": "mid70s. She worked at a I'm telling you"}, {"end": "01:49:43", "start": "01:49:40", "text": "this. I don't think this is you"}, {"end": "01:49:46", "start": "01:49:41", "text": "shouldn't put this on. Okay, got it. She"}, {"end": "01:49:49", "start": "01:49:43", "text": "uh she was a secretary and she had to"}, {"end": "01:49:50", "start": "01:49:46", "text": "get clearance and it took 6 months of"}, {"end": "01:49:54", "start": "01:49:49", "text": "interviews with her neighbors, her"}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:50", "text": "parents. She said that every time that"}, {"end": "01:49:57", "start": "01:49:54", "text": "she would leave work, she would have to"}, {"end": "01:50:00", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "take the typewriter ribbon out of the"}, {"end": "01:50:02", "start": "01:49:57", "text": "typewriter and send it into a bank tube"}, {"end": "01:50:03", "start": "01:50:00", "text": "that went up. And she said one day after"}, {"end": "01:50:06", "start": "01:50:02", "text": "3 months of working there, she got"}, {"end": "01:50:07", "start": "01:50:03", "text": "called into an office. And she said"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:06", "text": "there was like six men there and she's"}, {"end": "01:50:12", "start": "01:50:07", "text": "never seen them before. They had their"}, {"end": "01:50:14", "start": "01:50:09", "text": "arms crossed and they had like six"}, {"end": "01:50:16", "start": "01:50:12", "text": "typewriter ribbons out and they made her"}, {"end": "01:50:18", "start": "01:50:14", "text": "sit down and they said, \"Um, what were"}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:16", "text": "you tasked to do here?\" and she her job"}, {"end": "01:50:23", "start": "01:50:18", "text": "was take dictations, type the dictations"}, {"end": "01:50:25", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "out uh or handwritten letters and type"}, {"end": "01:50:28", "start": "01:50:23", "text": "them out and then send them to the"}, {"end": "01:50:29", "start": "01:50:25", "text": "person. She was correcting the grammar"}, {"end": "01:50:31", "start": "01:50:28", "text": "in the [\u00a0__\u00a0] And so she was correcting"}, {"end": "01:50:34", "start": "01:50:29", "text": "the misspellings and grammar that was"}, {"end": "01:50:36", "start": "01:50:31", "text": "code. And so by by correcting the"}, {"end": "01:50:37", "start": "01:50:34", "text": "grammar, they thought that she was"}, {"end": "01:50:39", "start": "01:50:36", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] blah blah blah. But but they"}, {"end": "01:50:41", "start": "01:50:37", "text": "were looking at the typewriter ribbon"}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:39", "text": "things. And I just found this out about"}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:41", "text": "my mom recently. I had no idea she was"}, {"end": "01:50:47", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "it was a military weapons thing. But"}, {"end": "01:50:48", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "it's so crazy. My mom had clearance. No"}, {"end": "01:50:50", "start": "01:50:47", "text": "idea. That's crazy. You don't want to"}, {"end": "01:50:51", "start": "01:50:48", "text": "leave that in? Ah, [\u00a0__\u00a0] it. You can say,"}, {"end": "01:50:55", "start": "01:50:50", "text": "\"Mom, I'm sorry. I hope I think you're"}, {"end": "01:50:55", "start": "01:50:51", "text": "you're fine now."}, {"end": "01:51:06", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "I couldn't resist.\" Uh, no. I don't want"}, {"end": "01:51:08", "start": "01:51:04", "text": "to play a game. I would I would be the"}, {"end": "01:51:10", "start": "01:51:06", "text": "first one to die in a Saw movie. I am a"}, {"end": "01:51:12", "start": "01:51:08", "text": "I am I am terrified of blood and"}, {"end": "01:51:15", "start": "01:51:10", "text": "violence."}, {"end": "01:51:17", "start": "01:51:12", "text": "I had to. All right. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:51:20", "start": "01:51:15", "text": "There will be no blood sacrifices for"}, {"end": "01:51:20", "start": "01:51:17", "text": "me."}, {"end": "01:51:26", "start": "01:51:23", "text": "All right, first question here from the"}, {"end": "01:51:28", "start": "01:51:25", "text": "members."}, {"end": "01:51:32", "start": "01:51:26", "text": "What is your most prized occult piece in"}, {"end": "01:51:35", "start": "01:51:28", "text": "your collection by Hex? Um,"}, {"end": "01:51:36", "start": "01:51:32", "text": "my most prized piece in my collection."}, {"end": "01:51:39", "start": "01:51:35", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:51:41", "start": "01:51:36", "text": "I have a"}, {"end": "01:51:44", "start": "01:51:39", "text": "I don't know. I guess you would call it"}, {"end": "01:51:47", "start": "01:51:41", "text": "like lecture notes. um of a secret"}, {"end": "01:51:51", "start": "01:51:44", "text": "society um and their meeting notes from"}, {"end": "01:51:53", "start": "01:51:47", "text": "1928 that is the basis of the world that"}, {"end": "01:51:55", "start": "01:51:51", "text": "I built called the tension experience."}, {"end": "01:51:58", "start": "01:51:53", "text": "The tension experience is the uh"}, {"end": "01:52:00", "start": "01:51:55", "text": "immersive theater show and um take a"}, {"end": "01:52:03", "start": "01:51:58", "text": "cult out for a second. It's it's a very"}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:52:00", "text": "simple premise. It's a the show is about"}, {"end": "01:52:06", "start": "01:52:03", "text": "a family is trying to pull their"}, {"end": "01:52:08", "start": "01:52:04", "text": "daughter out of a cult and you as an"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:06", "text": "audience member are going into a"}, {"end": "01:52:12", "start": "01:52:08", "text": "compound to get her out. But I wanted to"}, {"end": "01:52:14", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "populate it with real belief and real"}, {"end": "01:52:16", "start": "01:52:12", "text": "thought and what this what this"}, {"end": "01:52:20", "start": "01:52:14", "text": "organization believed in. And I was at a"}, {"end": "01:52:23", "start": "01:52:16", "text": "flea market and um I found a a folder um"}, {"end": "01:52:25", "start": "01:52:20", "text": "and in this folder there was this uh it"}, {"end": "01:52:26", "start": "01:52:23", "text": "was it's not that it's so old that it"}, {"end": "01:52:28", "start": "01:52:25", "text": "should be doing this but it crumbles"}, {"end": "01:52:31", "start": "01:52:26", "text": "when you touch it. So it's the paper is"}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:28", "text": "very cheap uh and it crumbles. I used"}, {"end": "01:52:38", "start": "01:52:31", "text": "the art, I used the diagrams, and I used"}, {"end": "01:52:39", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "about 80% of the text to base all of the"}, {"end": "01:52:42", "start": "01:52:38", "text": "the tension experience and the sequels"}, {"end": "01:52:45", "start": "01:52:39", "text": "that I made on that. Um, what was it"}, {"end": "01:52:47", "start": "01:52:42", "text": "called? Brotherhood of I'm trying to"}, {"end": "01:52:49", "start": "01:52:45", "text": "remember the last name. Um, cuz now it's"}, {"end": "01:52:50", "start": "01:52:47", "text": "framed on a wall, so I should know the"}, {"end": "01:52:55", "start": "01:52:49", "text": "name of it. I don't because I'm scared"}, {"end": "01:52:57", "start": "01:52:50", "text": "of of of breaking it. But it was um Dian"}, {"end": "01:52:59", "start": "01:52:55", "text": "Fortune, who is a famous occultist. It"}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:57", "text": "was it was one of her lecture series. uh"}, {"end": "01:53:05", "start": "01:52:59", "text": "and they formed like um it it formed its"}, {"end": "01:53:06", "start": "01:53:03", "text": "own like offshoot. Uh she wrote uh"}, {"end": "01:53:10", "start": "01:53:05", "text": "there's a bunch of books. One of them is"}, {"end": "01:53:12", "start": "01:53:06", "text": "a practical oultism uh sane occultism."}, {"end": "01:53:14", "start": "01:53:10", "text": "But uh that and it almost looks like"}, {"end": "01:53:16", "start": "01:53:12", "text": "something from a freemasonry lodge um or"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:14", "text": "a magician's lecture notes. You know"}, {"end": "01:53:19", "start": "01:53:16", "text": "when like old old days magicians do"}, {"end": "01:53:22", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "lecture notes. So it was individual"}, {"end": "01:53:24", "start": "01:53:19", "text": "pamphlets. Um, I think that to me just"}, {"end": "01:53:26", "start": "01:53:22", "text": "because it has it was a such a important"}, {"end": "01:53:28", "start": "01:53:24", "text": "thing for me in my narrative to be able"}, {"end": "01:53:30", "start": "01:53:26", "text": "to try for my first time to say I'm not"}, {"end": "01:53:32", "start": "01:53:28", "text": "going to do the Hollywood bastardization"}, {"end": "01:53:34", "start": "01:53:30", "text": "of what I had been about, oh, it's the"}, {"end": "01:53:36", "start": "01:53:32", "text": "devil and it's black magic and it wasn't"}, {"end": "01:53:40", "start": "01:53:34", "text": "like that. It was more um philosophical"}, {"end": "01:53:43", "start": "01:53:36", "text": "and uh internal uh than it was outward"}, {"end": "01:53:45", "start": "01:53:40", "text": "and like um ridiculous. So, I would say"}, {"end": "01:53:47", "start": "01:53:43", "text": "that by far is is probably the coolest"}, {"end": "01:53:49", "start": "01:53:45", "text": "thing that I have. That's awesome. Great"}, {"end": "01:53:51", "start": "01:53:47", "text": "question, Hex."}, {"end": "01:53:51", "start": "01:53:49", "text": "All right."}, {"end": "01:53:58", "start": "01:53:52", "text": "Uh oh. Phenomenal question by Gina here"}, {"end": "01:54:01", "start": "01:53:54", "text": "coming up. Gina got heater questions."}, {"end": "01:54:03", "start": "01:53:58", "text": "Love this question."}, {"end": "01:54:06", "start": "01:54:01", "text": "Do you think disclosure would kill"}, {"end": "01:54:09", "start": "01:54:03", "text": "horror or feed it? There was a it's a"}, {"end": "01:54:11", "start": "01:54:06", "text": "great question, Gina. Um there was a"}, {"end": "01:54:13", "start": "01:54:09", "text": "thing done recently about the pandemic"}, {"end": "01:54:14", "start": "01:54:11", "text": "and it was it was it was conducted I"}, {"end": "01:54:17", "start": "01:54:13", "text": "want to say it was University of"}, {"end": "01:54:20", "start": "01:54:14", "text": "Chicago. They realized that people that"}, {"end": "01:54:22", "start": "01:54:17", "text": "were fans of horror had a much easier"}, {"end": "01:54:23", "start": "01:54:20", "text": "time dealing with the pandemic than"}, {"end": "01:54:26", "start": "01:54:22", "text": "people that were not. And I the reason"}, {"end": "01:54:28", "start": "01:54:23", "text": "why is because as a horror fan um you"}, {"end": "01:54:31", "start": "01:54:26", "text": "immerse yourself in the macob and the"}, {"end": "01:54:33", "start": "01:54:28", "text": "horrible uh zombies attacking a cabin,"}, {"end": "01:54:36", "start": "01:54:31", "text": "aliens coming down, and you live through"}, {"end": "01:54:38", "start": "01:54:33", "text": "that uh horror. I think that to me or"}, {"end": "01:54:41", "start": "01:54:36", "text": "the horror audience is probably the most"}, {"end": "01:54:43", "start": "01:54:38", "text": "uh grounded uh rational group of people"}, {"end": "01:54:44", "start": "01:54:41", "text": "because they they live out their"}, {"end": "01:54:47", "start": "01:54:43", "text": "fantasies on screen and then they"}, {"end": "01:54:50", "start": "01:54:44", "text": "they're done with them. Um but if you"}, {"end": "01:54:51", "start": "01:54:47", "text": "look at uh trends of horror, I think"}, {"end": "01:54:52", "start": "01:54:50", "text": "every time that there is a world war,"}, {"end": "01:54:54", "start": "01:54:51", "text": "every time that there is a great"}, {"end": "01:54:57", "start": "01:54:52", "text": "tragedy, there is an influx of horror"}, {"end": "01:55:00", "start": "01:54:54", "text": "because it allows us to um work out our"}, {"end": "01:55:02", "start": "01:54:57", "text": "anxiety, our fears, uh our paranoas on"}, {"end": "01:55:04", "start": "01:55:00", "text": "the screen. So I no, I don't think it"}, {"end": "01:55:08", "start": "01:55:02", "text": "would kill horror. Um, I I think that it"}, {"end": "01:55:11", "start": "01:55:04", "text": "would feed it and it would fuel it. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:55:14", "start": "01:55:08", "text": "but I would think if there was, at least"}, {"end": "01:55:16", "start": "01:55:11", "text": "for me, if there if disclosure happened,"}, {"end": "01:55:18", "start": "01:55:14", "text": "um, I would probably I don't know if I'd"}, {"end": "01:55:20", "start": "01:55:16", "text": "make another horror film, I would be so"}, {"end": "01:55:22", "start": "01:55:18", "text": "fascinated with I'd go down that rabbit"}, {"end": "01:55:24", "start": "01:55:20", "text": "hole like I did in 11-11 and lose my"}, {"end": "01:55:25", "start": "01:55:22", "text": "mind again. And I I think that, uh, but"}, {"end": "01:55:27", "start": "01:55:24", "text": "no, I don't think it would I don't think"}, {"end": "01:55:28", "start": "01:55:25", "text": "anything's ever going to kill horror."}, {"end": "01:55:30", "start": "01:55:27", "text": "It's a great question. That's a really"}, {"end": "01:55:33", "start": "01:55:28", "text": "good question. Yeah, I love that, too."}, {"end": "01:55:36", "start": "01:55:30", "text": "that the idea that it would feed it more"}, {"end": "01:55:37", "start": "01:55:33", "text": "in order for us to to cope with it to"}, {"end": "01:55:39", "start": "01:55:36", "text": "understand it to work through our own"}, {"end": "01:55:42", "start": "01:55:37", "text": "trauma and that's what we're so great"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:39", "text": "at. Love that. All right, Tess, we got a"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:42", "text": "question from Tess here."}, {"end": "01:55:50", "start": "01:55:46", "text": "Great question again, Tess. This is"}, {"end": "01:55:52", "start": "01:55:48", "text": "awesome. You guys came in with clutch"}, {"end": "01:55:55", "start": "01:55:50", "text": "questions this week. What are the most"}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:52", "text": "efficient psychological tactics you've"}, {"end": "01:56:00", "start": "01:55:55", "text": "utilized to manufacture fear?"}, {"end": "01:56:03", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "That's a these are all great questions."}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:56:00", "text": "Um, Tess, to answer your question, I"}, {"end": "01:56:06", "start": "01:56:03", "text": "want to go back to my immersive stuff"}, {"end": "01:56:08", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "because I think for me as I've gotten"}, {"end": "01:56:10", "start": "01:56:06", "text": "older, it's much harder for me to scare"}, {"end": "01:56:12", "start": "01:56:08", "text": "someone in a movie screen because, you"}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:10", "text": "know, you're sitting in an AMC theater,"}, {"end": "01:56:16", "start": "01:56:12", "text": "right? Or a cinemark or a Scotia Bank."}, {"end": "01:56:18", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "There's popcorn, there's sodas, you're"}, {"end": "01:56:20", "start": "01:56:16", "text": "watching actors. So, to me, it's it's"}, {"end": "01:56:23", "start": "01:56:18", "text": "harder for me to suspend disbelief. So,"}, {"end": "01:56:26", "start": "01:56:20", "text": "for me, it is breaking the fourth wall"}, {"end": "01:56:27", "start": "01:56:23", "text": "and becoming meta. Uh, and what that"}, {"end": "01:56:30", "start": "01:56:26", "text": "means is is, you know, we were talking"}, {"end": "01:56:32", "start": "01:56:27", "text": "about War of the Worlds earlier and and"}, {"end": "01:56:34", "start": "01:56:30", "text": "you know, when you can get with someone"}, {"end": "01:56:36", "start": "01:56:32", "text": "and have them question, is this real? Is"}, {"end": "01:56:39", "start": "01:56:34", "text": "this is this a hoax? Is this an UMO"}, {"end": "01:56:42", "start": "01:56:36", "text": "hoax? Or is it real? Um, inserting the"}, {"end": "01:56:44", "start": "01:56:39", "text": "idea that maybe I'm an unreliable"}, {"end": "01:56:47", "start": "01:56:42", "text": "narrator and some of this could be real."}, {"end": "01:56:49", "start": "01:56:44", "text": "Um, is to me the the way that I found to"}, {"end": "01:56:51", "start": "01:56:47", "text": "affect people the most. And how I use it"}, {"end": "01:56:53", "start": "01:56:49", "text": "with theater is um imagine you're going"}, {"end": "01:56:54", "start": "01:56:51", "text": "to go to a haunted house and you know"}, {"end": "01:56:57", "start": "01:56:53", "text": "that in this haunted house there's a"}, {"end": "01:56:58", "start": "01:56:54", "text": "demented nurse and and you get in the"}, {"end": "01:57:00", "start": "01:56:57", "text": "haunted house and you're chased around"}, {"end": "01:57:03", "start": "01:56:58", "text": "with the demented nurse and she's got a"}, {"end": "01:57:04", "start": "01:57:00", "text": "she's got a syringe in her hand and you"}, {"end": "01:57:07", "start": "01:57:03", "text": "might get scared because she's chasing"}, {"end": "01:57:09", "start": "01:57:04", "text": "you. But imagine if she hit you with the"}, {"end": "01:57:10", "start": "01:57:07", "text": "syringe and then she stopped and she"}, {"end": "01:57:12", "start": "01:57:09", "text": "called the safe word and all the lights"}, {"end": "01:57:13", "start": "01:57:10", "text": "in the haunted house came on and all of"}, {"end": "01:57:15", "start": "01:57:12", "text": "a sudden the stage manager comes out"}, {"end": "01:57:16", "start": "01:57:13", "text": "with a microphone and he says, \"Can I"}, {"end": "01:57:18", "start": "01:57:15", "text": "see your arm, please? You need to come"}, {"end": "01:57:19", "start": "01:57:16", "text": "with me.\" and you're taken backstage and"}, {"end": "01:57:21", "start": "01:57:18", "text": "they're looking at your arm and next"}, {"end": "01:57:23", "start": "01:57:19", "text": "thing an ambulance shows up and next"}, {"end": "01:57:26", "start": "01:57:21", "text": "thing uh they're giving you a sailing"}, {"end": "01:57:28", "start": "01:57:23", "text": "bag. That is the stuff we do. We take"}, {"end": "01:57:29", "start": "01:57:26", "text": "your idea of what you're going into. I'm"}, {"end": "01:57:30", "start": "01:57:28", "text": "going into a haunted house with a nurse"}, {"end": "01:57:32", "start": "01:57:29", "text": "and we break the fourth wall and say"}, {"end": "01:57:34", "start": "01:57:30", "text": "that was not supposed to happen. You've"}, {"end": "01:57:36", "start": "01:57:32", "text": "just been hit with something you should"}, {"end": "01:57:37", "start": "01:57:34", "text": "not have been hit with. So, we do things"}, {"end": "01:57:39", "start": "01:57:36", "text": "of of breaking the fourth wall and"}, {"end": "01:57:40", "start": "01:57:37", "text": "becoming meta. And when you do that, you"}, {"end": "01:57:42", "start": "01:57:39", "text": "begin to make people question, is this"}, {"end": "01:57:45", "start": "01:57:40", "text": "part of it? Is this is this And there's"}, {"end": "01:57:46", "start": "01:57:42", "text": "a great Clive Barker book. Um Clive"}, {"end": "01:57:48", "start": "01:57:45", "text": "Barker wrote uh Hellbound Heart. A lot"}, {"end": "01:57:50", "start": "01:57:46", "text": "of people know it as Hellraiser. Um but"}, {"end": "01:57:52", "start": "01:57:48", "text": "he wrote a book called Mr. Begone. And"}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:50", "text": "it it's really good. It's it's taken"}, {"end": "01:57:56", "start": "01:57:52", "text": "from the standpoint of a demon. And the"}, {"end": "01:57:57", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "book is written to you almost like"}, {"end": "01:57:59", "start": "01:57:56", "text": "there's a monster at the end of this"}, {"end": "01:58:01", "start": "01:57:57", "text": "book. Uh the the demon starts talking to"}, {"end": "01:58:03", "start": "01:57:59", "text": "you, the reader. So on chapter one, it"}, {"end": "01:58:04", "start": "01:58:01", "text": "might say, \"You think you're so clever"}, {"end": "01:58:06", "start": "01:58:03", "text": "reading this book. I will come to you"}, {"end": "01:58:07", "start": "01:58:04", "text": "later.\" And on chapter 3, it says, \"Last"}, {"end": "01:58:08", "start": "01:58:06", "text": "night, did you hear me? I was the one in"}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:07", "text": "your wall. The one that you"}, {"end": "01:58:12", "start": "01:58:08", "text": "misrepresented as a mouse moving around."}, {"end": "01:58:14", "start": "01:58:10", "text": "It was me.\" And so you're reading the"}, {"end": "01:58:16", "start": "01:58:12", "text": "book and it's talking to you. And I"}, {"end": "01:58:18", "start": "01:58:14", "text": "think to me that is so terrifying to me"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:16", "text": "when I can't tell the difference between"}, {"end": "01:58:22", "start": "01:58:18", "text": "was that supposed to happen or not. So I"}, {"end": "01:58:24", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "use that a lot now is becoming meta and"}, {"end": "01:58:27", "start": "01:58:22", "text": "breaking the fourth wall. That's so"}, {"end": "01:58:29", "start": "01:58:24", "text": "great and terrifying. I'm just trying to"}, {"end": "01:58:31", "start": "01:58:27", "text": "imagine as you were talking about the"}, {"end": "01:58:32", "start": "01:58:29", "text": "nurse chasing and the lights going on. I"}, {"end": "01:58:34", "start": "01:58:31", "text": "was like, \"Yeah, no, dude. I same.\" You"}, {"end": "01:58:36", "start": "01:58:32", "text": "go, \"Wait, is this part of it?\" No, it"}, {"end": "01:58:38", "start": "01:58:34", "text": "couldn't be. They wouldn't go this far."}, {"end": "01:58:40", "start": "01:58:36", "text": "And then all these other psychological"}, {"end": "01:58:41", "start": "01:58:38", "text": "filters. Can I can I share one that I"}, {"end": "01:58:42", "start": "01:58:40", "text": "did for that nurse one that nurse one"}, {"end": "01:58:45", "start": "01:58:41", "text": "wasn't real but I'll tell you what I did"}, {"end": "01:58:47", "start": "01:58:42", "text": "do in the tension experience um I told"}, {"end": "01:58:49", "start": "01:58:45", "text": "you it's kind of this and you were"}, {"end": "01:58:51", "start": "01:58:47", "text": "indoctrinated into a cult and one of the"}, {"end": "01:58:53", "start": "01:58:49", "text": "things you have to do as your final act"}, {"end": "01:58:55", "start": "01:58:51", "text": "is you have to take this pill blindly"}, {"end": "01:58:56", "start": "01:58:53", "text": "take a pill and they're gel caps there's"}, {"end": "01:58:58", "start": "01:58:55", "text": "nothing in them but you're put into a"}, {"end": "01:58:59", "start": "01:58:56", "text": "room and there's we break you apart from"}, {"end": "01:59:01", "start": "01:58:58", "text": "your group and there's only two or three"}, {"end": "01:59:04", "start": "01:58:59", "text": "of you in there and they put a pill in"}, {"end": "01:59:05", "start": "01:59:01", "text": "front of you and um you're you're told"}, {"end": "01:59:07", "start": "01:59:04", "text": "you have to take it if you want to"}, {"end": "01:59:08", "start": "01:59:05", "text": "continue and everyone takes it 100% of"}, {"end": "01:59:10", "start": "01:59:07", "text": "the"}, {"end": "01:59:12", "start": "01:59:08", "text": "Uh, every fifth people that would come"}, {"end": "01:59:13", "start": "01:59:10", "text": "through, every fifth group, um, you"}, {"end": "01:59:14", "start": "01:59:12", "text": "would hear, so they would take the pill"}, {"end": "01:59:15", "start": "01:59:13", "text": "and then you would hear something"}, {"end": "01:59:18", "start": "01:59:14", "text": "outside the door and there'd be"}, {"end": "01:59:19", "start": "01:59:15", "text": "screaming and you would hear LAPD, LAPD"}, {"end": "01:59:21", "start": "01:59:18", "text": "and all the lights would come on in the"}, {"end": "01:59:22", "start": "01:59:19", "text": "building and then you would see"}, {"end": "01:59:24", "start": "01:59:21", "text": "flashlights going around and the door"}, {"end": "01:59:26", "start": "01:59:22", "text": "would kick in. It would be LA officers."}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:24", "text": "They would take the actor who just did"}, {"end": "01:59:28", "start": "01:59:26", "text": "that and put them on the ground. They"}, {"end": "01:59:30", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "would make you stand up and they would"}, {"end": "01:59:31", "start": "01:59:28", "text": "shine a flashlight. Have you eaten or"}, {"end": "01:59:33", "start": "01:59:30", "text": "consumed anything? Did they give you"}, {"end": "01:59:35", "start": "01:59:31", "text": "anything to eat or drink? Yes. What did"}, {"end": "01:59:36", "start": "01:59:33", "text": "you took a pill? Listen, we have three"}, {"end": "01:59:37", "start": "01:59:35", "text": "people in here. they've been given the"}, {"end": "01:59:39", "start": "01:59:36", "text": "pill and you would be taken outside"}, {"end": "01:59:42", "start": "01:59:37", "text": "where there were paramedics. Now, we did"}, {"end": "01:59:44", "start": "01:59:39", "text": "that and in that moment you saw their"}, {"end": "01:59:46", "start": "01:59:42", "text": "actors, you saw call sheets up, you saw"}, {"end": "01:59:48", "start": "01:59:44", "text": "all of that, but you saw LAPD officers."}, {"end": "01:59:49", "start": "01:59:46", "text": "That to me was one of the most impactful"}, {"end": "01:59:51", "start": "01:59:48", "text": "things because it didn't happen to"}, {"end": "01:59:55", "start": "01:59:49", "text": "everyone. It happened every fifth time."}, {"end": "01:59:57", "start": "01:59:51", "text": "Um, so that to me was was something"}, {"end": "01:59:59", "start": "01:59:55", "text": "pretty uh pretty exciting. Dude, you're"}, {"end": "02:00:01", "start": "01:59:57", "text": "in the business of messing people up for"}, {"end": "02:00:03", "start": "01:59:59", "text": "life. Like, exactly. Well, that's the"}, {"end": "02:00:05", "start": "02:00:01", "text": "thing is is that I'm a filmmaker and I"}, {"end": "02:00:06", "start": "02:00:03", "text": "want to create emotions and it's it's"}, {"end": "02:00:08", "start": "02:00:05", "text": "harder for me to create emotions when"}, {"end": "02:00:10", "start": "02:00:06", "text": "you know that you're watching a movie"}, {"end": "02:00:12", "start": "02:00:08", "text": "that is designed to scare you, I can"}, {"end": "02:00:14", "start": "02:00:10", "text": "gross you out very easy, but to really"}, {"end": "02:00:16", "start": "02:00:12", "text": "scare you, uh, I got to get inside your"}, {"end": "02:00:18", "start": "02:00:14", "text": "head. And that brings you back to magic"}, {"end": "02:00:20", "start": "02:00:16", "text": "a little bit, too. It's all magic. It's"}, {"end": "02:00:22", "start": "02:00:18", "text": "tricks. It is it is knowing the"}, {"end": "02:00:24", "start": "02:00:20", "text": "psychology of your audience. That's"}, {"end": "02:00:28", "start": "02:00:22", "text": "right. Because if in a magic trick or"}, {"end": "02:00:30", "start": "02:00:24", "text": "even in um entertainment hypnotic sort"}, {"end": "02:00:33", "start": "02:00:28", "text": "of uh demonstration"}, {"end": "02:00:36", "start": "02:00:30", "text": "uh if you didn't believe that I was able"}, {"end": "02:00:39", "start": "02:00:33", "text": "to hypnotize you but then I hypnotized"}, {"end": "02:00:43", "start": "02:00:36", "text": "the person beside you who you knew"}, {"end": "02:00:45", "start": "02:00:39", "text": "that would make you be hypnotizable so"}, {"end": "02:00:48", "start": "02:00:43", "text": "to speak. So you're also creating this"}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:45", "text": "idea like oh my god I just talked to"}, {"end": "02:00:51", "start": "02:00:48", "text": "that person something's happening to"}, {"end": "02:00:53", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "them and they're actually convulsing or"}, {"end": "02:00:56", "start": "02:00:51", "text": "whatever that is you know like that's"}, {"end": "02:00:57", "start": "02:00:53", "text": "another layer of of reality. I have"}, {"end": "02:00:59", "start": "02:00:56", "text": "become a better filmmaker and"}, {"end": "02:01:01", "start": "02:00:57", "text": "storyteller since learning books on"}, {"end": "02:01:03", "start": "02:00:59", "text": "slide of hand and understanding how"}, {"end": "02:01:05", "start": "02:01:01", "text": "tricks are conceived and done. I mean I"}, {"end": "02:01:07", "start": "02:01:03", "text": "remember um even going back into"}, {"end": "02:01:09", "start": "02:01:05", "text": "thirsten and old like the old magicians"}, {"end": "02:01:12", "start": "02:01:07", "text": "like realizing the psychology they would"}, {"end": "02:01:14", "start": "02:01:09", "text": "use um to to create that astonishment of"}, {"end": "02:01:16", "start": "02:01:12", "text": "an audience. I've just transferred into"}, {"end": "02:01:17", "start": "02:01:14", "text": "the film making and theater that I do"}, {"end": "02:01:19", "start": "02:01:16", "text": "now and what lengths they would go"}, {"end": "02:01:20", "start": "02:01:17", "text": "through. It's there's what the old"}, {"end": "02:01:22", "start": "02:01:19", "text": "proverb that says a magician is just"}, {"end": "02:01:24", "start": "02:01:20", "text": "somebody who spends an unreasonable"}, {"end": "02:01:28", "start": "02:01:22", "text": "amount of time doing yeah doing"}, {"end": "02:01:31", "start": "02:01:24", "text": "something that's it. Um yeah that it you"}, {"end": "02:01:33", "start": "02:01:28", "text": "know I often think of you know to to"}, {"end": "02:01:36", "start": "02:01:31", "text": "explain what magic is to people"}, {"end": "02:01:38", "start": "02:01:33", "text": "sometimes magic isn't only because we"}, {"end": "02:01:41", "start": "02:01:36", "text": "talk about angles right angles are a big"}, {"end": "02:01:43", "start": "02:01:38", "text": "part of magic and knowing your angles."}, {"end": "02:01:45", "start": "02:01:41", "text": "So, if you're being surrounded, well,"}, {"end": "02:01:46", "start": "02:01:43", "text": "you're not flashing or Yeah. But if"}, {"end": "02:01:49", "start": "02:01:45", "text": "you're a if you're a magician with"}, {"end": "02:01:51", "start": "02:01:46", "text": "enough under your belt, you can flash."}, {"end": "02:01:53", "start": "02:01:49", "text": "Thing is, you might be you you you might"}, {"end": "02:01:55", "start": "02:01:51", "text": "have to manufacture what it is you're"}, {"end": "02:01:56", "start": "02:01:53", "text": "flashing. By flashing, we mean like"}, {"end": "02:01:58", "start": "02:01:55", "text": "showing the method behind something,"}, {"end": "02:02:02", "start": "02:01:56", "text": "right? So, if I'm aware that someone's"}, {"end": "02:02:05", "start": "02:01:58", "text": "behind me, I might do something where"}, {"end": "02:02:07", "start": "02:02:02", "text": "purposely they get to see something, but"}, {"end": "02:02:09", "start": "02:02:05", "text": "I'm now manipulating what it is they're"}, {"end": "02:02:11", "start": "02:02:07", "text": "seeing. So their explanation of what"}, {"end": "02:02:14", "start": "02:02:09", "text": "happened can be canceled out with the"}, {"end": "02:02:16", "start": "02:02:11", "text": "next performance. You just hit on exact"}, {"end": "02:02:17", "start": "02:02:14", "text": "you brought this full circle again."}, {"end": "02:02:20", "start": "02:02:16", "text": "There's a there's a magician named Mike"}, {"end": "02:02:22", "start": "02:02:17", "text": "Pashota. Um he performs the magic magic."}, {"end": "02:02:24", "start": "02:02:20", "text": "Yeah. He has one of the greatest things"}, {"end": "02:02:24", "start": "02:02:22", "text": "where I gave you a horror version of"}, {"end": "02:02:26", "start": "02:02:24", "text": "what I did. I'm going to give you a"}, {"end": "02:02:28", "start": "02:02:24", "text": "non-h horror version of the same idea"}, {"end": "02:02:31", "start": "02:02:26", "text": "and it came from magic. Um he does a"}, {"end": "02:02:33", "start": "02:02:28", "text": "trick where he I I don't think I'm if"}, {"end": "02:02:34", "start": "02:02:31", "text": "I'm if I'm revealing a magician's code,"}, {"end": "02:02:37", "start": "02:02:33", "text": "beat me out here. I don't think I am."}, {"end": "02:02:38", "start": "02:02:34", "text": "Um, he asks three people to come up with"}, {"end": "02:02:40", "start": "02:02:37", "text": "a card and you do it together. So, it's"}, {"end": "02:02:41", "start": "02:02:38", "text": "not like a magician's choice. He's"}, {"end": "02:02:43", "start": "02:02:40", "text": "actually saying, \"You give me a number,"}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:41", "text": "you give me a color, you give me a"}, {"end": "02:02:46", "start": "02:02:43", "text": "suit.\" And then he goes, \"I knew you"}, {"end": "02:02:48", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "were going to say that.\" And he pulls"}, {"end": "02:02:50", "start": "02:02:46", "text": "out a card from his pocket. And when he"}, {"end": "02:02:51", "start": "02:02:48", "text": "does it, he flashes and he's got what's"}, {"end": "02:02:53", "start": "02:02:50", "text": "called a pocket index. And in that"}, {"end": "02:02:55", "start": "02:02:51", "text": "pocket index, it's every card. And he"}, {"end": "02:02:56", "start": "02:02:53", "text": "and he puts it down and he's like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "02:02:58", "start": "02:02:55", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] I flashed it.\" He flashes the back"}, {"end": "02:02:59", "start": "02:02:56", "text": "of a bunch of cards. Yeah. And he goes,"}, {"end": "02:03:00", "start": "02:02:58", "text": "\"I flashed, didn't I?\" And you're like,"}, {"end": "02:03:02", "start": "02:02:59", "text": "\"Yeah.\" And he's like, \"That's all"}, {"end": "02:03:04", "start": "02:03:00", "text": "right.\" And he pulls out all the cards"}, {"end": "02:03:06", "start": "02:03:02", "text": "and they're all the same card. So, you"}, {"end": "02:03:08", "start": "02:03:04", "text": "thought he flashed, but he didn't. That"}, {"end": "02:03:09", "start": "02:03:06", "text": "was part of the thing, but your your"}, {"end": "02:03:10", "start": "02:03:08", "text": "mind breaks at that point because you"}, {"end": "02:03:12", "start": "02:03:09", "text": "thought you saw something you shouldn't"}, {"end": "02:03:14", "start": "02:03:10", "text": "have seen. It's the same idea. He broke"}, {"end": "02:03:15", "start": "02:03:12", "text": "the fourth wall. He became meta with it"}, {"end": "02:03:18", "start": "02:03:14", "text": "by breaking this the trick to say, \"Did"}, {"end": "02:03:19", "start": "02:03:15", "text": "I just flash?\" And then he goes one step"}, {"end": "02:03:20", "start": "02:03:18", "text": "further and your mind just breaks"}, {"end": "02:03:22", "start": "02:03:19", "text": "further and he was in control all along"}, {"end": "02:03:24", "start": "02:03:20", "text": "all the time. And that to me is the"}, {"end": "02:03:26", "start": "02:03:22", "text": "magic that I take now into the"}, {"end": "02:03:27", "start": "02:03:24", "text": "storytelling that I do and how I use"}, {"end": "02:03:29", "start": "02:03:26", "text": "psychology to [\u00a0__\u00a0] with an audience"}, {"end": "02:03:31", "start": "02:03:27", "text": "member. That's right. And that's uh the"}, {"end": "02:03:34", "start": "02:03:29", "text": "best magicians is what they do. Max"}, {"end": "02:03:35", "start": "02:03:31", "text": "Molini, you know, often he would the"}, {"end": "02:03:38", "start": "02:03:34", "text": "lengths that this guy went through, this"}, {"end": "02:03:39", "start": "02:03:35", "text": "is like hundred years ago, but he would"}, {"end": "02:03:42", "start": "02:03:38", "text": "invite people over. He would have like"}, {"end": "02:03:44", "start": "02:03:39", "text": "20 people over for this feast, this"}, {"end": "02:03:48", "start": "02:03:42", "text": "beautiful feast, right? Like this big"}, {"end": "02:03:50", "start": "02:03:44", "text": "turkey dinner. And um the, you know, the"}, {"end": "02:03:52", "start": "02:03:48", "text": "turkey would be sitting on the table and"}, {"end": "02:03:54", "start": "02:03:50", "text": "everything's like, \"Oh, everybody's"}, {"end": "02:03:56", "start": "02:03:52", "text": "hungry.\" and the discussion. He would"}, {"end": "02:03:59", "start": "02:03:54", "text": "psychologically"}, {"end": "02:04:02", "start": "02:03:56", "text": "manipulate the discussion to the occult"}, {"end": "02:04:03", "start": "02:03:59", "text": "a little bit to where we'd start talking"}, {"end": "02:04:05", "start": "02:04:02", "text": "about bringing people back from the"}, {"end": "02:04:07", "start": "02:04:03", "text": "dead, but he wouldn't bring it up. They"}, {"end": "02:04:09", "start": "02:04:05", "text": "would bring it up through conversational"}, {"end": "02:04:12", "start": "02:04:07", "text": "psychology and so, you know, social sort"}, {"end": "02:04:13", "start": "02:04:09", "text": "of uh tricks and you know, and he would"}, {"end": "02:04:15", "start": "02:04:12", "text": "go, I could I could do that. I'm a"}, {"end": "02:04:16", "start": "02:04:13", "text": "magician. I could bring somebody back"}, {"end": "02:04:18", "start": "02:04:15", "text": "from the dead. They go, you never know."}, {"end": "02:04:19", "start": "02:04:16", "text": "There's no way, Max, that you could do"}, {"end": "02:04:21", "start": "02:04:18", "text": "that. And everybody would start arguing."}, {"end": "02:04:22", "start": "02:04:19", "text": "All right. Well, the turkeyy's on the"}, {"end": "02:04:25", "start": "02:04:21", "text": "table. So he would say, so he would say,"}, {"end": "02:04:27", "start": "02:04:22", "text": "\"Yeah, watch this.\" And all of a sudden"}, {"end": "02:04:29", "start": "02:04:25", "text": "he'd grab the turkey and the turkey"}, {"end": "02:04:32", "start": "02:04:27", "text": "would just start, no feathers, running"}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:29", "text": "across the table. I love it. Everybody's"}, {"end": "02:04:36", "start": "02:04:32", "text": "freaking out. They're screaming. There's"}, {"end": "02:04:39", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "pandemonium."}, {"end": "02:04:42", "start": "02:04:36", "text": "And guess what? There's no turkey dinner"}, {"end": "02:04:44", "start": "02:04:39", "text": "now because he turned the turkey live."}, {"end": "02:04:46", "start": "02:04:42", "text": "And And the thing was he hypnotized the"}, {"end": "02:04:48", "start": "02:04:44", "text": "turkey. He plucked the turkeyy's"}, {"end": "02:04:49", "start": "02:04:46", "text": "feather. He made it look like it was a"}, {"end": "02:04:50", "start": "02:04:48", "text": "cooked turkey. Oh, that's not where I"}, {"end": "02:04:54", "start": "02:04:49", "text": "thought you were going with the story."}, {"end": "02:04:56", "start": "02:04:50", "text": "Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] Yeah. And so, um, it was all"}, {"end": "02:04:58", "start": "02:04:54", "text": "for a trick. Well, so he would"}, {"end": "02:04:59", "start": "02:04:56", "text": "manipulate the conversation into that."}, {"end": "02:05:01", "start": "02:04:58", "text": "Then the turkey would get up and start"}, {"end": "02:05:04", "start": "02:04:59", "text": "and so everybody thinks he just brought"}, {"end": "02:05:06", "start": "02:05:01", "text": "back a turkey to life. And now, guess"}, {"end": "02:05:08", "start": "02:05:04", "text": "what? There's no real turkey that's"}, {"end": "02:05:11", "start": "02:05:06", "text": "going to be served. That was the supper."}, {"end": "02:05:12", "start": "02:05:08", "text": "So, no one gets dinner. Uh, and this"}, {"end": "02:05:14", "start": "02:05:11", "text": "goes where I think all these things"}, {"end": "02:05:16", "start": "02:05:12", "text": "connect. Now, um, my office, like I"}, {"end": "02:05:18", "start": "02:05:14", "text": "mentioned, it's got these weird esoteric"}, {"end": "02:05:20", "start": "02:05:16", "text": "books and it's got magic books. One of"}, {"end": "02:05:22", "start": "02:05:18", "text": "the thing that I've done, I figured out"}, {"end": "02:05:24", "start": "02:05:20", "text": "I could never be a slide of hand artist"}, {"end": "02:05:25", "start": "02:05:22", "text": "like yourself and and I can stare at"}, {"end": "02:05:28", "start": "02:05:24", "text": "your hands and I know what you're doing"}, {"end": "02:05:30", "start": "02:05:25", "text": "and I still can't figure it out. I I"}, {"end": "02:05:32", "start": "02:05:28", "text": "understand the methods. Um, but I'm a"}, {"end": "02:05:35", "start": "02:05:30", "text": "storyteller, right? I'm a storyteller"}, {"end": "02:05:37", "start": "02:05:32", "text": "and my hope as a storyteller is I can"}, {"end": "02:05:39", "start": "02:05:35", "text": "elicit a reaction. I can get an emotion"}, {"end": "02:05:43", "start": "02:05:37", "text": "out of you. So, in my office, I have"}, {"end": "02:05:45", "start": "02:05:39", "text": "designed numerous arcane looking occult"}, {"end": "02:05:47", "start": "02:05:43", "text": "paraphernalia that's magic tricks that I"}, {"end": "02:05:49", "start": "02:05:45", "text": "have made. Specifically, I'm going to"}, {"end": "02:05:50", "start": "02:05:47", "text": "give the guy a plug. This guy Lebanon"}, {"end": "02:05:53", "start": "02:05:49", "text": "Circle is his thing and he makes these"}, {"end": "02:05:56", "start": "02:05:50", "text": "amazing tricks and um you will see like"}, {"end": "02:05:59", "start": "02:05:53", "text": "a Victorian ashes box or you'll see this"}, {"end": "02:06:00", "start": "02:05:56", "text": "old arcane looking hourglass. And so"}, {"end": "02:06:02", "start": "02:05:59", "text": "what happens is when people are over at"}, {"end": "02:06:03", "start": "02:06:00", "text": "my house, inevitably something will come"}, {"end": "02:06:05", "start": "02:06:02", "text": "up about the occult because you'll see"}, {"end": "02:06:08", "start": "02:06:03", "text": "my books and then I'll say, you know, I"}, {"end": "02:06:10", "start": "02:06:05", "text": "dabble in magic and then I will use real"}, {"end": "02:06:12", "start": "02:06:08", "text": "magic things from real occult that I"}, {"end": "02:06:13", "start": "02:06:10", "text": "have read and used and I will turn it"}, {"end": "02:06:15", "start": "02:06:12", "text": "into something in my room that is"}, {"end": "02:06:16", "start": "02:06:13", "text": "already ready to go cuz I have 20 things"}, {"end": "02:06:18", "start": "02:06:15", "text": "in my room ready to go and depending on"}, {"end": "02:06:19", "start": "02:06:16", "text": "where you're looking, what you're doing,"}, {"end": "02:06:21", "start": "02:06:18", "text": "and what I'll do is I will create horror"}, {"end": "02:06:22", "start": "02:06:19", "text": "in that moment because it doesn't look"}, {"end": "02:06:25", "start": "02:06:21", "text": "set up in the same way that he would"}, {"end": "02:06:28", "start": "02:06:22", "text": "hypnotize a turkey and and go and you"}, {"end": "02:06:32", "start": "02:06:25", "text": "hear those stories about um uh oh my god"}, {"end": "02:06:34", "start": "02:06:28", "text": "Um, uh, the actor he did, uh, 52, uh, oh"}, {"end": "02:06:36", "start": "02:06:32", "text": "my god, Ricky Jay, you know, I've read"}, {"end": "02:06:37", "start": "02:06:34", "text": "these amazing stories about him where he"}, {"end": "02:06:39", "start": "02:06:36", "text": "did the equivalent of the fishbowl trick"}, {"end": "02:06:41", "start": "02:06:37", "text": "with ice where he would he would show up"}, {"end": "02:06:43", "start": "02:06:39", "text": "to a diner and have this huge giant slab"}, {"end": "02:06:46", "start": "02:06:41", "text": "of ice and he would do this insane setup"}, {"end": "02:06:48", "start": "02:06:43", "text": "for this just oneperson trick. I thought"}, {"end": "02:06:51", "start": "02:06:46", "text": "I love that to me because it allows me"}, {"end": "02:06:52", "start": "02:06:48", "text": "to be a horror storyteller in my office"}, {"end": "02:06:53", "start": "02:06:51", "text": "and get under somebody's skin in a way"}, {"end": "02:06:54", "start": "02:06:52", "text": "they were not expecting. If I pulled out"}, {"end": "02:06:57", "start": "02:06:53", "text": "a deck of cards and said, \"Let me show"}, {"end": "02:06:58", "start": "02:06:54", "text": "you a trick.\" Mhm. No, in this case it"}, {"end": "02:07:00", "start": "02:06:57", "text": "is, what is that weird Egyptian thing"}, {"end": "02:07:01", "start": "02:06:58", "text": "over there? Oh, I got that in Egypt and"}, {"end": "02:07:03", "start": "02:07:00", "text": "it's supposedly this cursed object."}, {"end": "02:07:05", "start": "02:07:01", "text": "Leave it alone for 2 hours and then 2"}, {"end": "02:07:06", "start": "02:07:03", "text": "hours later they're looking at it after"}, {"end": "02:07:07", "start": "02:07:05", "text": "a little wine and like what do you mean"}, {"end": "02:07:09", "start": "02:07:06", "text": "it's cursed? Boom. There's the magic"}, {"end": "02:07:11", "start": "02:07:07", "text": "trick. And I think to me that is the"}, {"end": "02:07:13", "start": "02:07:09", "text": "sweet spot. And again, it combines my"}, {"end": "02:07:16", "start": "02:07:11", "text": "love of storytelling, the occult, magic,"}, {"end": "02:07:17", "start": "02:07:13", "text": "slight of hand, psychology. Yeah. And"}, {"end": "02:07:19", "start": "02:07:16", "text": "that's why we see, you know, and I"}, {"end": "02:07:21", "start": "02:07:17", "text": "reference it a lot, but we see it a lot"}, {"end": "02:07:23", "start": "02:07:19", "text": "with intelligence agencies. Absolutely."}, {"end": "02:07:25", "start": "02:07:21", "text": "They they do the same. They do scop,"}, {"end": "02:07:29", "start": "02:07:23", "text": "which is a magic trick. We um in the"}, {"end": "02:07:31", "start": "02:07:25", "text": "tension experience, we hired uh a few"}, {"end": "02:07:32", "start": "02:07:29", "text": "people in the military about how to do"}, {"end": "02:07:34", "start": "02:07:31", "text": "psychological torture. And it's not what"}, {"end": "02:07:35", "start": "02:07:32", "text": "I thought. It's not waterboarding. It's"}, {"end": "02:07:37", "start": "02:07:34", "text": "none of that. It is how to get under"}, {"end": "02:07:39", "start": "02:07:35", "text": "someone's skin very quickly and make"}, {"end": "02:07:41", "start": "02:07:37", "text": "them uncomfortable through it could be a"}, {"end": "02:07:43", "start": "02:07:39", "text": "fluctuation of temperature. It could be"}, {"end": "02:07:45", "start": "02:07:41", "text": "a specific frequency that's playing that"}, {"end": "02:07:47", "start": "02:07:43", "text": "just unnerves you just a little bit. Uh"}, {"end": "02:07:48", "start": "02:07:45", "text": "and when you compound these things one"}, {"end": "02:07:52", "start": "02:07:47", "text": "after another after another, it will"}, {"end": "02:07:54", "start": "02:07:48", "text": "create a feeling in you. Uh and I think"}, {"end": "02:07:56", "start": "02:07:52", "text": "that that is absolutely I mean that's"}, {"end": "02:07:58", "start": "02:07:54", "text": "It's It's fascinating. All right, we got"}, {"end": "02:08:02", "start": "02:07:56", "text": "one last one here."}, {"end": "02:08:04", "start": "02:07:58", "text": "Great questions, by the way, guys."}, {"end": "02:08:07", "start": "02:08:02", "text": "And this this might be something we've"}, {"end": "02:08:10", "start": "02:08:04", "text": "already kind of answered, but maybe we"}, {"end": "02:08:14", "start": "02:08:07", "text": "can uh touch on it one last time from"}, {"end": "02:08:16", "start": "02:08:10", "text": "UFO in then asks,"}, {"end": "02:08:19", "start": "02:08:14", "text": "\"How has Hollywood shaped the public's"}, {"end": "02:08:22", "start": "02:08:16", "text": "perception on the UFO phenomenon?\""}, {"end": "02:08:25", "start": "02:08:19", "text": "I think it's taken something that was at"}, {"end": "02:08:29", "start": "02:08:22", "text": "one point considered fringe and made it"}, {"end": "02:08:30", "start": "02:08:25", "text": "mainstream. Uh, and it's done it not"}, {"end": "02:08:33", "start": "02:08:29", "text": "overnight. It's done it over the course"}, {"end": "02:08:35", "start": "02:08:30", "text": "of decades. Um, whether it's introducing"}, {"end": "02:08:37", "start": "02:08:33", "text": "a little alien that lives in a CIA"}, {"end": "02:08:40", "start": "02:08:35", "text": "officer's house in a cartoon fashion"}, {"end": "02:08:42", "start": "02:08:37", "text": "like uh American Dad, the the Seth"}, {"end": "02:08:44", "start": "02:08:40", "text": "thing, whether it is ET, who's a"}, {"end": "02:08:47", "start": "02:08:42", "text": "friendly extraterrestrial, or whether"}, {"end": "02:08:49", "start": "02:08:44", "text": "it's Skinwalker Ranch that um you are"}, {"end": "02:08:50", "start": "02:08:47", "text": "inundated and I think what was it, the"}, {"end": "02:08:53", "start": "02:08:49", "text": "Super Bowl, there was like three"}, {"end": "02:08:55", "start": "02:08:50", "text": "separate ads ads about Martin Scorsese"}, {"end": "02:08:58", "start": "02:08:53", "text": "was it's like there are all of these"}, {"end": "02:09:02", "start": "02:08:55", "text": "things that that it has become"}, {"end": "02:09:04", "start": "02:08:58", "text": "mainstream now. Uh, and so if anything,"}, {"end": "02:09:06", "start": "02:09:02", "text": "it's it's it's uh it's gotten us ready."}, {"end": "02:09:08", "start": "02:09:04", "text": "It's it's made it a conversation that"}, {"end": "02:09:09", "start": "02:09:06", "text": "that happens that you're not, like I"}, {"end": "02:09:12", "start": "02:09:08", "text": "said, the eyes don't glaze over as much"}, {"end": "02:09:16", "start": "02:09:09", "text": "anymore. Um, you know, reputable people"}, {"end": "02:09:18", "start": "02:09:12", "text": "at reputable schools uh Gary Nolan,"}, {"end": "02:09:21", "start": "02:09:16", "text": "whoever that is, you you can now uh you"}, {"end": "02:09:24", "start": "02:09:18", "text": "can you can you can have a this, you"}, {"end": "02:09:26", "start": "02:09:21", "text": "know, pre prestigious career and and be"}, {"end": "02:09:28", "start": "02:09:24", "text": "focused on anomalies like that. That"}, {"end": "02:09:29", "start": "02:09:26", "text": "that wasn't like that all the time. So,"}, {"end": "02:09:32", "start": "02:09:28", "text": "I think a lot of it has to do with"}, {"end": "02:09:35", "start": "02:09:29", "text": "Hollywood, um, arts, entertainment,"}, {"end": "02:09:37", "start": "02:09:32", "text": "books, uh, making it okay to have this"}, {"end": "02:09:39", "start": "02:09:35", "text": "conversation now because it's so, it is"}, {"end": "02:09:41", "start": "02:09:37", "text": "so mainstream. Yeah, absolutely. And"}, {"end": "02:09:44", "start": "02:09:39", "text": "that's been part of the goal of this"}, {"end": "02:09:46", "start": "02:09:41", "text": "channel, too, is just to help have the"}, {"end": "02:09:47", "start": "02:09:44", "text": "conversation. You know, a lot of people,"}, {"end": "02:09:48", "start": "02:09:46", "text": "they watch the videos here and they're"}, {"end": "02:09:49", "start": "02:09:47", "text": "like, \"Well, Chris, you know, you're not"}, {"end": "02:09:51", "start": "02:09:48", "text": "conducting an actual investigation.\" I"}, {"end": "02:09:53", "start": "02:09:49", "text": "was like, \"No, this isn't an actual I'm"}, {"end": "02:09:56", "start": "02:09:51", "text": "not an actual detective um that lives in"}, {"end": "02:09:59", "start": "02:09:53", "text": "the 50s. uh you know I I I do this uh"}, {"end": "02:10:01", "start": "02:09:56", "text": "for a part part of it is entertainment"}, {"end": "02:10:04", "start": "02:09:59", "text": "but I also understand the value that"}, {"end": "02:10:06", "start": "02:10:01", "text": "entertainment provides because so many"}, {"end": "02:10:07", "start": "02:10:04", "text": "people can regurgitate information at"}, {"end": "02:10:09", "start": "02:10:06", "text": "you but if you're not creating it in a"}, {"end": "02:10:11", "start": "02:10:07", "text": "way that they want to absorb it then"}, {"end": "02:10:14", "start": "02:10:09", "text": "that is for not I think that you have to"}, {"end": "02:10:15", "start": "02:10:11", "text": "create a world and that's why that's"}, {"end": "02:10:17", "start": "02:10:14", "text": "what I love doing that's what you love"}, {"end": "02:10:20", "start": "02:10:15", "text": "doing in a world where people want to"}, {"end": "02:10:21", "start": "02:10:17", "text": "willingly be a part and learn you know"}, {"end": "02:10:22", "start": "02:10:20", "text": "you you've opened the door to"}, {"end": "02:10:25", "start": "02:10:21", "text": "conversation and I think that that is is"}, {"end": "02:10:27", "start": "02:10:22", "text": "I am nowhere near any I I said to you"}, {"end": "02:10:29", "start": "02:10:25", "text": "jokingly that this is the episode that"}, {"end": "02:10:32", "start": "02:10:27", "text": "jumps the shark because you've had the"}, {"end": "02:10:36", "start": "02:10:29", "text": "top of the top of the top um people in"}, {"end": "02:10:38", "start": "02:10:32", "text": "this field, but UFOs extend far past"}, {"end": "02:10:40", "start": "02:10:36", "text": "scientists. It it it goes to filmmakers"}, {"end": "02:10:42", "start": "02:10:38", "text": "and it goes to moms at, you know, soccer"}, {"end": "02:10:44", "start": "02:10:40", "text": "moms at home. And I think they all have"}, {"end": "02:10:47", "start": "02:10:42", "text": "stories about why um what is it about"}, {"end": "02:10:49", "start": "02:10:44", "text": "them? And I think my avenue into it is"}, {"end": "02:10:50", "start": "02:10:47", "text": "different than, you know, uh the person"}, {"end": "02:10:51", "start": "02:10:49", "text": "you had last week or the person you're"}, {"end": "02:10:53", "start": "02:10:50", "text": "going to have next week. And I think"}, {"end": "02:10:55", "start": "02:10:51", "text": "that's fascinating because those that"}, {"end": "02:10:56", "start": "02:10:53", "text": "are listening and watching have their"}, {"end": "02:10:58", "start": "02:10:55", "text": "own story. And I think that conversation"}, {"end": "02:11:01", "start": "02:10:56", "text": "is important to hopefully get to"}, {"end": "02:11:03", "start": "02:10:58", "text": "Spielberg releasing 2026's actual"}, {"end": "02:11:04", "start": "02:11:01", "text": "disclosure and shows everyone that we're"}, {"end": "02:11:06", "start": "02:11:03", "text": "ready for it and we can handle it."}, {"end": "02:11:12", "start": "02:11:04", "text": "Absolutely. Speaking of which, are you"}, {"end": "02:11:15", "start": "02:11:06", "text": "ever going to make a alien UFO related"}, {"end": "02:11:17", "start": "02:11:12", "text": "movie? I This is really funny that you"}, {"end": "02:11:20", "start": "02:11:15", "text": "mentioned this. Um,"}, {"end": "02:11:21", "start": "02:11:17", "text": "every movie that I make, uh, there is 20"}, {"end": "02:11:24", "start": "02:11:20", "text": "that don't end up happening that I'm"}, {"end": "02:11:25", "start": "02:11:21", "text": "attached to. Either I'm fired, uh, it"}, {"end": "02:11:28", "start": "02:11:24", "text": "goes over budget or the thing just falls"}, {"end": "02:11:29", "start": "02:11:25", "text": "apart. There is one right now that I can"}, {"end": "02:11:30", "start": "02:11:28", "text": "tell I'll tell you the premise off the"}, {"end": "02:11:32", "start": "02:11:29", "text": "air. I'm sorry I can't talk about it,"}, {"end": "02:11:34", "start": "02:11:30", "text": "but it is, uh, a movie that you"}, {"end": "02:11:39", "start": "02:11:32", "text": "referenced tonight. It's it's it's this"}, {"end": "02:11:41", "start": "02:11:34", "text": "cousin of that movie. Um, but it's, uh,"}, {"end": "02:11:44", "start": "02:11:39", "text": "Yes. And I think it combines all of my"}, {"end": "02:11:48", "start": "02:11:41", "text": "fascinations. uh very much a nod in the"}, {"end": "02:11:50", "start": "02:11:44", "text": "way of coast to coast. Um it's uh it's a"}, {"end": "02:11:53", "start": "02:11:48", "text": "human story. Uh it's a human way into"}, {"end": "02:11:55", "start": "02:11:50", "text": "it, but it it it absolutely is a alien"}, {"end": "02:11:57", "start": "02:11:53", "text": "thing. Um we'll see if it happens,"}, {"end": "02:11:59", "start": "02:11:55", "text": "though. Give it a couple years. Well,"}, {"end": "02:12:00", "start": "02:11:57", "text": "we're all sending you our positive vibes"}, {"end": "02:12:02", "start": "02:11:59", "text": "out there on this happening. We'd love"}, {"end": "02:12:04", "start": "02:12:00", "text": "to have you back here and let's make an"}, {"end": "02:12:06", "start": "02:12:02", "text": "UMO movie together. We'll go do that."}, {"end": "02:12:07", "start": "02:12:04", "text": "We'll go figure out the UMO thing. As"}, {"end": "02:12:09", "start": "02:12:06", "text": "long as we don't got to as long as we"}, {"end": "02:12:10", "start": "02:12:07", "text": "can't film in that that building. I'm"}, {"end": "02:12:12", "start": "02:12:09", "text": "going to give you the address. So, you"}, {"end": "02:12:13", "start": "02:12:10", "text": "go look at the house and tell me if"}, {"end": "02:12:14", "start": "02:12:12", "text": "there's anything that happens to you"}, {"end": "02:12:16", "start": "02:12:13", "text": "there. Well, I'm actually going to"}, {"end": "02:12:18", "start": "02:12:14", "text": "Barcelona, I think, in September. I will"}, {"end": "02:12:21", "start": "02:12:16", "text": "get you in that house. I want you just"}, {"end": "02:12:24", "start": "02:12:18", "text": "to go, dude. All right. I might have to"}, {"end": "02:12:26", "start": "02:12:21", "text": "do a pit stop, you know. Um, I might be"}, {"end": "02:12:29", "start": "02:12:24", "text": "actually I might be going with a UFO"}, {"end": "02:12:32", "start": "02:12:26", "text": "friend, so that might be interesting."}, {"end": "02:12:34", "start": "02:12:29", "text": "Um, Darren, are you down to stick around"}, {"end": "02:12:37", "start": "02:12:32", "text": "for some overtime chats? Let's do it."}, {"end": "02:12:39", "start": "02:12:34", "text": "All right, folks. If you want to become"}, {"end": "02:12:41", "start": "02:12:37", "text": "a member and come check out uh the rest"}, {"end": "02:12:44", "start": "02:12:39", "text": "of our conversation, feel free to do so."}, {"end": "02:12:46", "start": "02:12:41", "text": "Link below, click the join button. Um"}, {"end": "02:12:48", "start": "02:12:44", "text": "Darren, thank you so much for joining us"}, {"end": "02:12:50", "start": "02:12:46", "text": "today. Uh it was an absolute pleasure."}, {"end": "02:12:52", "start": "02:12:48", "text": "Folks, if you want to go check out"}, {"end": "02:12:54", "start": "02:12:50", "text": "Darren's latest project, which I highly"}, {"end": "02:12:55", "start": "02:12:52", "text": "recommend. Is it Darren and Josh make a"}, {"end": "02:12:57", "start": "02:12:54", "text": "movie or Josh and Darren Make a Movie?"}, {"end": "02:13:00", "start": "02:12:55", "text": "Uh Darren and Josh. He got the short"}, {"end": "02:13:02", "start": "02:12:57", "text": "straw. He he did. Uh it's at DJ Make a"}, {"end": "02:13:04", "start": "02:13:00", "text": "Movie uh on all social medias and the"}, {"end": "02:13:05", "start": "02:13:02", "text": "website. You can find us on iTunes,"}, {"end": "02:13:07", "start": "02:13:04", "text": "podcast, or whatever. Yeah, I'll put the"}, {"end": "02:13:08", "start": "02:13:05", "text": "link below. Very much looking forward to"}, {"end": "02:13:10", "start": "02:13:07", "text": "that. And thank you so much for coming"}, {"end": "02:13:12", "start": "02:13:08", "text": "out here. And great to be in the skiff,"}, {"end": "02:13:14", "start": "02:13:10", "text": "man. It's uh it's crazy. It's crazy. A"}, {"end": "02:13:16", "start": "02:13:12", "text": "little star struck in here. Good to have"}, {"end": "02:13:19", "start": "02:13:14", "text": "you, man. Uh thanks so much. And thanks,"}, {"end": "02:13:35", "start": "02:13:16", "text": "guys. We'll see you on the next one."}, {"end": "02:13:35", "start": "02:13:19", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "When I was around 13 years old, my older"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "sister had just gotten her driver's"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "license and we used to wait for my dad"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "to fall asleep and we'd basically steal"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "the car and go out joy riding at night."}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "Well, this one night we went out. On the"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "way back, my sister's like, \"Let's just"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "go the back roads. 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I start making a beline"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "towards this object and I get about 2530"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "yards from it and this thing just hops"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "up off the ground in a split second. It"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "was on the ground and then a second"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "later it's like 2 ft off the ground and"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "it starts to slowly ascend in front of"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "me. It's completely quiet, gets to the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "top of the tree line and then in a split"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "second it just shoots off into the"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "clouds."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "another episode of the Area 52 podcast."}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "My name is Chris Ramsey and today we're"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "going to be taking a very, very deep"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "dive into the special operations manual"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "of a group known as the Majestic 12. And"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "if you're wondering what the Majestic 12"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "is, fret not. gentlemen behind me here"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "on these little Polaroids are actually"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "part of a top secret group that was put"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "together to control, contain, and"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "explore the UFO"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "extraterrestrial biological entity"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "presence that has been communicating and"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "interacting with our planet since the"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "late 1940s. I highly suggest you go"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "check out the video that I've already"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "done kind of deep diving into each"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "individual on this list and the purpose"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "of the Majestic 12 themselves and what"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "their role is in all of this. The manual"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "allegedly came out in 1954, but was not"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "leaked until 1994"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "to a gentleman by the name of Don"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "Berliner. There were Trix negatives"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "mailed to Mr. Don Berliner postmarked on"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "March 7th, 1994. Now, the document we"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "are going to be reading is a replica of"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "the one that was photographed by an"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "unknown person that was submitted on,"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "you know, this reel of photos. The MJ12"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "debate goes pretty deep among UFO"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "researchers and people flip-flop back"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "and forth. I've been looking forward to"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "reading through this document, and I"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "can't wait to do it with you all today."}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "Before we do that, a few little things I"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "must say. 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If"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "you don't mind, leave a like, subscribe,"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "hit the notification bell, leave us a"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "favorable review on Spotify or iTunes or"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "wherever it is you listen to these"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "podcasts. It would be greatly"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "appreciated and it goes a really long"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "way. So, there is a researcher by the"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "name of Ryan Woods who spent most of his"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "career really looking into this and"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "proving or trying to disprove the"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "authenticity of the MJ12 documents. him"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "along with Stan Freriedman and many"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "others had their go at these specific"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "documents. Ryan Woods I think went the"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "deepest and he has his report available"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "on special operationsmanual.com which"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "I'll leave the link to below where he"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "details his forensic analysis on some of"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "the things that might help prove the"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "authenticity of these documents which"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "would be absolutely earthshattering."}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "Before we get into reading, I'm just"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "going to go over a few of the bullet"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "points that Ryan Woods has found through"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "his research proving the authenticity of"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "these documents. So, in short, forensic"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "analysis of the language, font, and"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "original photographic film prove that"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "the document was produced in or around"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "1954. And that's according to Wood's"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "research and expert witnesses he's"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "contacted uh at the National Archive."}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "The manual, however, did not become"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "public until 1994. We know this where it"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "was leaked to Mr. Beriner. Now, in the"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "manual, they specifically talk about"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "Area 51, S4, site 4. Now, Bob Blazar"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "only came public in 1989, so that would"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "have been a full 5 years prior to this"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "document coming out, which does raise a"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "little bit of suspicion, obviously. But"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "put that aside for a second, here are"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "some things that corroborate the 1954"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "production of this document. So the"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "manual was sent anonymously to"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Donberiner 1994, but the documents were"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "sent as images on a film and that film"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "was authenticated"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "to 1954 based on its type of"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "underdeveloped 35 mm Trix. Number two,"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "the detailed packaging procedures for"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "the recovered EBEs and craft"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "specifically mention craft tape, not"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "duct tape, which is accurate to 1954"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "shipping methods. Okay. The packaging"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "procedures spell out screwdriver as two"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "words, which was customary in 1954, but"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "not today. Okay. Similarly, first aid"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "was capitalized in 1954, but the US"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "custom changed to lowercase first aid in"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "the late 1950s."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "Similarly, again, the control sentence"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "on one of the pages specifies NMEX for"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "New Mexico when the modern abbreviation"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "would be NM. Number three, the only typo"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "in the document is desicant, spelled"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "with two C's, uh, not two S's,"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "suggesting the document underwent"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "thorough manual editing, but not"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "computer-based editing, since a spell"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "checker would have caught the mistake"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "automatically. Next up, the letter Z."}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "The letter Z is raised from the other"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "text, indicating the printed document"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "came from a hot lead printing press"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "appropriate to 1954 and not a more"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "modern monotype press which does not"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "have the same problem with a raised Z."}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "The Z button was not used frequently as"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "the other letters and unfrequently used"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "letters like the Z got crud on the brass"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "slugs in the press leading to the letter"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "being raised above the others."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "Very interesting. So, the raised Z"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "matches other Army manuals at the time."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "Okay. If you want to read more detailed,"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "obviously more granular research that um"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Mr. Ryan Woods has put together, head"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "over to that website if you're still"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "feeling a little bit skeptical. But for"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "now, I invite you to put that skepticism"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "aside, suspend your disbelief, and come"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "with me as we dive deep into 1954"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "and take a look at the special"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "operations manual for extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "entities and technology recovery and"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "disposal"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "of the Majestic 12. Cover letters got"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "all types of warning. Again, this is a"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "transcription of the original. Here it"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "says this is a top secret magic eyesonly"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "document containing compartmentalized"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "information essential to the national"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "security of the United States. Eyes only"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "accessed to the material herein is"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "strictly limited to personnel possessing"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "magic 12 clearance level. Examination or"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "use by an unauthorized personnel is"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "strictly forbidden and punishable by"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "federal law. Okay."}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "Which would be interesting, wouldn't it?"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "It's interesting that they put that"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "little thing in there. If you read this"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "and you're not authorized,"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "it's punishable by law. But then you"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "would have to admit that the program"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "exists."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "So it is kind of silly that they write"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "that. First and foremost, I will say"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "that is a silly thing. Please arrest"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "someone for reading this and charge them"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "with reading this specific document."}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "That would be great. Uh that would be a"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "great way to get disclosure. And by the"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "way, if you want to watch another deep"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "dive into the MJ12 stuff, I highly"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "suggest you go subscribe to my friend uh"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "UAP Gerb. He goes deeper than anybody"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "else into the military's involvement"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "with extraterrestrials. So, the first"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "page here uh talks about the removal"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "and/or replacement of pages attached to"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "the document requires written a written"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "authorization from the Magic 12"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "operations officer and will be recorded"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "by the documents records officer for"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "each instance. Okay. Gives you a few"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "dates here. nothing we're going to deep"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "dive into right now. Another warning"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "page. Um, here we have a bit of an index"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "of what's to come in this document. So,"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "section one, the project purpose and"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "goals."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "One, the scope. This manual has been"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "prepared especially for Majestic 12"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "units. Its purpose is to present all"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "aspects of Majestic 12 so authorized"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "personnel will have a better"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "understanding of the goals of the group,"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "be able to more expertly deal with"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "unidentified flying objects,"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "extraterrestrial technology, and"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "entities, and increase the efficiency of"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "future operations. Number two, general"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "MJ12 takes the subject of UFOs. Now, UFO"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "was the proper acronym that people would"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "use to describe UFOs back then. So, if"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "you're ever searching the CIA archive"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "and if you type in UFOs, you probably"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "won't get much, but UFOB uh you'll get"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "quite a bit uh quite a bit of results"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "popping up. And if you're wondering what"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "does the B stand for? It's simply"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "object. So, they use the O and the B."}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "So, like a EUOB, the O and the B would"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "stand for object. MJ12 takes the subject"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "of the UFO's extraterrestrial technology"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "and extraterrestrial biological entities"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "very seriously and considers the entire"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "subject to be a matter of the very"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "highest national security."}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "For that reason, everything relating to"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "the subject has been assigned the very"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "highest security classification. Three"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "main points will be covered in this"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "section. A the general aspects of MJ12"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "to clear up any misconceptions that"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "anyone may have. B the importance of the"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "operations and C the need for absolute"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "secrecy in all phases of the operations."}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "Three security classifications."}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "All information relating to MJ12 has"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "been classified magic eyes only and"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "carries a security level two points"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "above that of top secret. The reason for"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "this has to do with the consequences"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "that may arise not only from the impact"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "upon the public should the existence of"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "such matters become general knowledge"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "but also the danger of having such"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "advanced technology as has been"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "recovered by the air force fall into the"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "hands of unfriendly foreign powers. No"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "information is released to the public"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "press and the official government"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "position is that no such special group"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "as MJ12 exists. Also interesting to note"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "that the badge that Bob Lazar had while"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "working at Majest or working at S4 had"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "the letters Maj on the badge. This is"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "not an official replica of the badge,"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "but in the new Project Gravit um movie"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "that's coming out, S4, the Bob Lazar"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "story. Uh they they do replicate that"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "badge. So you can see what that looked"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "like according to Bob's memory. Number"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "four, history of the group. Operation"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "Majestic 12 was established by special"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "classified presidential order on 24th of"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "September 1947 at the recommendation of"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "Secretary of Defense James V. Foresttol"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "and Dr. Vanavar Bush, chairman of the"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "joint research and development board."}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "Operations are carried out under a top"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "secret research and development"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "intelligence group directly responsible"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "to the president of the United States."}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "The goals of the MJ12 group are as"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "follows. A recovery for scientific study"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "of all materials and devices of foreign"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "or extraterrestrial manufacturer uh that"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "may become available. Such material and"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "devices will be recovered by any and all"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "means deemed necessary by the group."}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "That's terrifying right off the bat,"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "just like any means necessary."}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "B. The recovery for scientific study of"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "all entities and remains of entities not"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "of terrestrial origin which may become"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "available through independent action by"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "those entities or by misfortune or"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "military action. C. The establishment"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "and administration of top secret teams"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "to accomplish the above operations. So,"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "so far, you know, recovering absolutely"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "everything that has to do with aliens by"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "any means necessary. Pretty much your"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "standard clause for a top secret, you"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "know, group that moves in the shadows"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "and works on black budget only."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "D. the establishment and administration"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "of special secure facilities located at"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "locations within the continental borders"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "of the United States for the receiving,"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "processing, analysis, and scientific"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "study of any and all materials and"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "entities classified as being"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "extraterrestrial origin by the group of"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "the special teams. Now, we do know of"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "some of these bases located around the"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "United States, namely S4 or site 4 where"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "Bob Lazar worked, but we also hear about"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "Dulce uh in New Mexico, about the"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "famous, you know, Phil Schneider sort of"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "underground firefight that happened with"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "the EBEs and probably possibly many"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "other places in the United States uh"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "that have underground military"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "facilities harboring"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "um you know, and deconstructing, reverse"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "engineering and working on a lot of"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "these projects. E, establishment and"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "administration of covert operations to"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "be carried out in concert with central"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "intelligence to affect the recovery for"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "the United States of extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "technology and entities which may come"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "down inside the territory of or fall"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "into the possession of foreign powers"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "and f the establishment and maintenance"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "of absolute top secrecy concerning all"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "the above operations. Number five, the"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "current situation. It is considered as"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "far as the current situation is"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "concerned that there are few indications"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "that these objects and their builders"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "pose a direct threat to the security of"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "the United States despite the"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "uncertainty as to their ultimate motives"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "in coming here. Certainly, the"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "technology possessed by these beings far"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "surpasses anything known to modern"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "science. Yet, their presence here seems"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "to be benign, and they seem to be"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "avoiding contact with our species, at"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "least for the present. Several dead"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "entities have been recovered along with"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "a substantial amount of wreckage and"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "devices from the downed craft. All of"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "which are now under study at various"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "locations. No attempt has been made by"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "the extraterrestrial entities either to"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "contact authorities or to recover their"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "dead counterparts or downed craft. Even"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "though one of the crashes was the result"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "of a direct military action,"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "the greatest threat at this time arises"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "from the acquisition and study of such"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "advanced technology by foreign powers"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "unfriendly to the United States. It is"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "for this reason that the recovery and"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "study of this type of material by the"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "United States has been given such a high"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "priority. Now, I completely understand"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "that. That is something I think we can"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "all get behind in 1954. You know, this"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "is cold war era, post World War II."}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "Tensions were still incredibly high as"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "we had just developed the first nuke and"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "deployed it. And now we're all kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "sitting back and wondering, do the"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "Russians have this? Are they going to"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "fight back and retaliate? You know, so"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "this type of technology in the wrong"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "hands could have been absolutely"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "devastating. Could still be devastating,"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "but especially back then. It's so crazy"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "to just let your mind"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "sit in 1954"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "with, you know, this type of material if"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "you were read into it. It is one thing"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "to be told today or shown even that UFOs"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "exist and that aliens are real, right?"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "But we have so much preliminary"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "cognitive padding when it comes to the"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "UFO subject through science fiction,"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "through even newspapers, TV shows,"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "podcasts like the one you're listening"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "to right now, that the amount of shock"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "would have to be"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "dampened. Like the shock of something"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "like this back then would have been"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "insurmountable"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "and unfathomable for any anybody for"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "anybody. 1948"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "was"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "when the helicopter was made public was"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "flown publicly."}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "So in 1947 the helicopter was actually"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "advanced military technology. So, you're"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "going from 1948 seeing a helicopter for"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "the first time"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "to potentially being face to face"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "with beings from"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "a non-early origin and their technology."}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "I mean, it's just it must shatter your"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "paradigm so much. Chapter 2,"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "introduction."}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "Six, the scope."}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "6 A. This operation manual is published"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "for the information and guidance of all"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "concerned. It contains information on"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "determination, documentation, collection"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "and disposition of debris, devices,"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "crafts and occupants of such craft as"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "defined as extraterrestrial technology"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "or extraterrestrial biological entities,"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "EBEs, in section two of this chapter. B."}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "Appendix 1-1A contains a list of current"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "references including technical manuals"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "and other available publications"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "applicable to these operations and C"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "appendix 2 contains a list of personnel"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "who comprise the Majestic 12 group seven"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "forms and records. So forms used for"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "reporting and operation are listed in"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "appendix one section two of chapter 2"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "the definition and data 8 general"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "extraterrestrial technology is defined"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "as followed. A aircraft identified as"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "not manufactured in the United States or"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "any terrestrial foreign powers including"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "experimental military or civilian craft."}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "Aircraft in this category are generally"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "known as U unidentified flying objects"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "or UFOs."}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "Such aircraft may appear as one of"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "several shapes and configurations and"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "exhibit extraordinary flight"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "characteristics."}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "B. objects and devices of unknown origin"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "or function manufactured by processes"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "or of materials not consistent with"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "current techn technology or scientific"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "knowledge."}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "Okay. Well, that's interesting. See,"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "they define extraterrestrial technology"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "here as a devices of unknown origin or"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "function manufactured by processes or"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "materials not consistent with current"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "technology or scientific knowledge. So,"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "they're not saying that the ET"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "technology"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "couldn't be manufactured here on Earth."}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "C. Wreckage of any aircraft thought to"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "be of extraterrestrial manufacturer or"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "origin. Such wreckage may be the result"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "of accidents or military action."}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "D. Materials that exhibit unusual and or"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "extraordinary characteristics not"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "consistent with not consistent with"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "current technology or scientific"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "knowledge. And then ebees are described"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "as a creatures humanoids or otherwise"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "whose evolutionary process responsible"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "for their development are demonstrabably"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "different from those postulated or"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "observed in homo sapiens."}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "All right, next we're going to go into"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "the description of the craft and then"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "the description of the aliens."}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "Nine. Description of craft. documented"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "extraterrestrial craft UFOs are"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "classified in one of four categories"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "based on general shape as follows. Now,"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "this is interesting. We got Skywatcher"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "and the whole team, you know, coming up"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "with nine classifications for UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "which by the way,"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "not one of them is a disc. We've seen"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "flying saucers and discs since the late"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "1940s. And yet one of the nine"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "classifications of UFOs that they have,"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "none of them are discs."}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "So a elliptical or discshaped."}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "This type of craft is of metallic"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "construction and dull aluminum in color."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "They have the appearance of two pie pans"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "or shallow dishes pressed together and"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "may have a raised dome on the top or"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "bottom. No seams or joints are visible"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "on the surface, giving the impression of"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "one piece construction. Discs are"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "estimated from 50 to 300 ft in diameter."}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "And the thickness is approximately 15%"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "of the diameter, not including the dome,"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "which is 30% of the disc diameter and"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "extends another 4 to 6 ft above the main"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "body of the disc."}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "Really interesting here that we're"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "talking about a potential 300 ft disc."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "Now 1954,"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "what makes them think other than having"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "direct eyewitness"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "that one of these craft would be 300 ft?"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "Yeah. Does that mean they've recovered a"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "300 ft craft? Now, I believe a few years"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "ago, Ross Coltard had alluded to some"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "type of giant UFO that was way too big"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "for them to move. So they had to build a"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "base around it. So big they built a"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "building over it in a country outside of"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "the United States of America. Since"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "then, people have been scouring the"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "internet looking for buildings that"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "might be under heavy military protection"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "that stand out as potentially harboring"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "this giant UFO."}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "And recently in Korea, there is this"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "building, and I'll put it up here,"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "that's 265 ft wide, built of stone and"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "concrete, and surrounded by an 8-ft"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "barbed wire fence. The signs mark it as"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "belonging to the South Korea's Aviation"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "Authority, and it has navigational"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "equipment mounted on top. Other models"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "of this antenna platform can be seen"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "elsewhere in South Korea and the"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "equipment for them does not extend below"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "the platform. Meaning the equipment is"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "only built a top the building in"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "question. The purpose of the building"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "itself is unexplained. Now the building"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "itself looks to be like 50 to 70 years"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "old. Very very interesting that this is"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "a big round building a top a mountain"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "which you could potentially you know"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "build into. I don't know. Is that what"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "we're talking about here? We're talking"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "about a 300 ft craft. That would be"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "cool. That would be a cool connection."}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "We carry on with the description of the"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "UFO."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "The dome may or may not include windows"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "or ports. And ports are present around"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "the lower rim of the disc. In some"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "instances, most discshaped craft are"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "equipped with lights on the top and"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "bottom and also around the rim. These"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "lights are not visible when the craft is"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "at rest or not functioning. There are"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "generally no visible antenna or"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "projections. Landing gear consists of"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "three extendable legs ending in circular"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "landing pads. When fully extended, this"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "landing gear supports the main body 2 to"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "3 ft above the surface at the lowest"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "point. A rectangular hatch is located"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "along the equator or on the lower"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "surface of the disc. So, we're talking"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "about standard flying saucer sci-fi type"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "discs here. Interesting that they said"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "there's no protrusions or antennas. Uh"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "the UFO that Bob worked on, I think was"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "specifically said to have, I think, a a"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "4, three or 4 foot antenna above it. B."}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "Fuselage or cigar- shaped. We hear about"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "these a lot from pilots, by the way."}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "These specific ones. Documented reports"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "of this type of craft are extremely"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "rare. Air Force radar reports indicate"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "they're approximately 2,000 feet long"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "and 95 feet thick."}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "What?"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "2,000 ft?"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "That's massive."}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "My god. Let's calculate this in American"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "metrics. How many fridges wide is 2,000"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "ft? Um, if we assume a standard fridge"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "is about 3 ft wide, then 2,000 ft would"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "be roughly 677 fridges lined up side by"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "side."}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "677"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "fridges long, folks. That is incredible."}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "That is incredible. And apparently they"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "do not operate in the lower atmosphere."}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "Okay. Very little information is"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "available on the performance of these"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "craft, but radar reports have indicated"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "speeds in excess of 7,000 m an hour."}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "They do not appear to engage in the"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "violent and erratic maneuvers associated"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "with the smaller types."}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "Violent."}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "What? I assume they're only being"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "violent because we're attacking them"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "first. I don't know."}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "C ovoid or circular shape orbs if you"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "will. This type of craft is described as"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "being shaped like an ice cream cone"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "being rounded at the large end"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "and tapered to a near point on the other"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "end. Okay. Wait, so this is like a"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "teardrop shape. This is what actually"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "John Ramirez on the latest podcast kind"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "of described too. Very interesting."}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "egg-shaped, if you will. They're"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "approximately 30 to 40 feet long, and"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "the thick end diameter is approximately"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "20% of the length. There is an extremely"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "bright light at the pointed end. And"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "this craft usually travels point down."}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "They can appear to be any shape from"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "round to cylindrical depending upon the"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "angle of observation. often sightings of"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "this type of craft are elliptical craft"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "seen at an inclined angle or edge on. So"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "that is interesting too that the angle"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "of which you're looking at this"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "eggshaped craft might change your you"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "know analysis of what that craft might"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "be. And that I think is fair to say, you"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "know, from Commander Fraver to Chris"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "Bledsoe to all these other cases, we"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "hear about either a tic tac, oval,"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "cigar, round. Maybe that's just the"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "angle at which we're seeing it,"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "especially if there are no seams. You"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "know, looking at it from a certain angle"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "and plus the bright light might give off"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "that effect. Very interesting. And"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "finally, D. Air foil or triangular"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "shaped. Whoa. This is 1954, folks. We're"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "not talking I mean, I don't think we're"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "talking about TR3A or TR3B, but maybe"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "1954 is an interesting time to be"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "talking about triangular shaped craft."}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "This craft is believed to be new"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "technology due to the rarity and recency"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "of observations."}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "Radar indicates an isosles triangle"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "profile, the longest side being nearly"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "300 ft in length. Little is known about"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "the performance of these craft due to"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "the rarity of good sightings. They are"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "believed to be capable of high speeds"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "and abrupt maneuvers similar to or"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "exceeding the performance attribute"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "attributed to the types of ANC. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "Interesting that they say this is a new"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "type of craft. So, new to them."}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "Or perhaps it's their own craft and"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "they're kind of inserting it into here"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "to, you know, help the propagation of uh"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "of some type of blue beam project. Who"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "knows? 10. Description of"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "extraterrestrial biological entities."}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "Here we go, folks. We're talking about"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "aliens. Examinations of remains"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "recovered from wreckage of UFOs indicate"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "that EBEs may be classified into two"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "distinct categories as follows."}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "EBBE type one. These entities are"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "humanoid and might be mistaken for human"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "beings of the oriental race if seen from"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "a distance. They are bipedal,"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "5 to 5'4 in in height and weigh 80 to"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "100 lb."}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "They're just little fellas."}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "They're just little fellas really."}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "Proportionally, they are similar to"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "humans, although the cranium is somewhat"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "larger and more rounded. The skin is a"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "pale, chalky yellow in color, thick, and"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "slightly pebbled in appearance. Slightly"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "pebbled. The eyes are small, wideset,"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "almond shaped with brownish black irises"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "with very large pupils. The whites of"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "the eyes are not like that of humans,"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "but have a pale gray cast. The ears are"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "small and set low on the skull. The nose"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "is thin and long,"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "and the mouth is wider than in humans"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "and nearly lipless. There is no apparent"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "facial hair and very little body hair,"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "that being very fine and confined to the"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "underarm and groin area. The body is"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "thin and without apparent body fat, but"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "the muscles are welldeveloped."}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "Oh, they're"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "slightly jacked. The hands are small"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "with four long digits, but no opposable"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "thumb. The outside digit is jointed in a"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "manner as to be nearly opposable,"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "and there is no webbing between the"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "fingers as in humans."}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "The legs are slightly but noticeably"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "bowed and the feet are somewhat spled"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "and proportionally large."}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "That is one of the strangest"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "descriptions. EBE type two. And by the"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "way, type one seems to be the"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "EBEs that were discovered at Aztec. If"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "you look at William Steinman's book UFO"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "crash at Aztec,"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "it talks about 16 bodies, I believe,"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "that were found within this 100 foot"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "craft. The craft was intact. The bodies"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "were referred to as small children,"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "which is also what Bob Lazar referred to"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "them as at S4. They called them the kids"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "uh because they didn't look like the"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "typical grays. They looked like small"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "humanoid but have like larger heads and"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "were smaller but had like tiny facial"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "features like humanlike. And in Aztec it"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "was even said that they had perfect"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "teeth. EB type two. These entities are"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "humanoid but differ from type one in"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "many respects. They are bipedal 3t 5 in"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "to 4'2 in in height and weigh about 25"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "to 50 lb."}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "Oh,"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "you can just throw them. Proportionally,"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "the head is much larger than humans or"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "type 1 ebees. The cranium being much"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "larger and elongated. The eyes are very"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "large, slanted, and nearly wrap around"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "the side of the skull. They are black"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "with no whites showing. There is no"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "noticeable brow ridge. And the skull has"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "a slight peak that runs over the crown."}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "The nose consists of two small slits"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "which sit high above the mouth, the"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "slit-like mouth. There are no external"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "ears. The skin is a pale bluish gray"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "color, being somewhat darker on the back"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "of the creature and is very smooth and"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "fine-sellled. There is no hair on either"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "the face or the body, and these"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "creatures do not appear to be mamalon."}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "The arms are long in proportion to the"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "legs, and the hands have three long"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "tapering fingers, and a thumb, which is"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "nearly as long as the fingers."}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "The second finger is thicker than the"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "others, but not as long as the index"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "finger. The feet are small and narrow,"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "and the four toes are jointed together"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "with a membrane."}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "It is not definitely known where either"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "type of creature originated, but it"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "seems certain that they did not evolve"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "on Earth. It is further evident,"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "although not certain, that they may have"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "originated on two different planets. So,"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "it seems like type one definitely is"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "more of a humanoid type alien that"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "couldn't necessarily pass for a real"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "human, but maybe a closer cousin to homo"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "sapiens."}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "And type two seems to be your typical"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "sort of skinny bob,"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "50 pounds."}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "Also, tridactyl."}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "I thought four fingers. No, they say"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "three. Very interesting. Tridactyl gray"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "beings."}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "Are these the same beings that are"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "present in Peru? Time will tell. All"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "right, moving on. The description of the"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "ET technology. This is super"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "interesting. Now, we're talking about"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "what are we talking about here? Probes,"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "wands. The following information is from"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "preliminary analysis reports of wreckage"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "collected from crash sites of"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "extraterrestrial craft 1947 to 1953."}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "Pause. 1953. We're talking about the"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "Kingman, Arizona crash. That might be"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "the reference here."}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "Excerpts from which are quoted verbatim"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "to provide guidance as to the type of"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "characteristics of material that might"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "be encountered in future recovery"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "operations."}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "A initial analysis of the debris from"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "the crash site seems to indicate that"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "the debris is that of extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "craft which exploded from within and"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "came into contact with the ground with"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "great force completely destroying the"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "craft. The volume of the matter"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "indicates that the craft was"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "approximately the size of a medium"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "aircraft. Although the weight of the"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "debris indicates that the craft was"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "extremely light for its size. B."}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "Metallergical analysis of the bulk of"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "the debris recovered indicates that the"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "samples are not composed of any material"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "currently known to terrestrial science."}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "C. The material tested possesses great"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "strength and resistance to heat in"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "proportion to its weight and size, being"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "stronger by far than any materials used"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "in military or civilian aircraft at"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "present. That's an interesting point"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "because the 410 whistleblower also said"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "that these things were extremely heat"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "resistant which made it nearly"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "impossible to work with. D. Much of the"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "material having the appearance of"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "aluminum foil or aluminum magnesium"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "sheeting displays none of the"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "characteristics of either metal"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "resembling instead some kind of unknown"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "plastic-like material."}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "E solid structures and substantial beams"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "having a distinct similar similarity in"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "appearance to very dense grain-free wood"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "was very light in weight and possesses"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "tensile and compression strength not"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "obtainable by any means known to modern"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "industry. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "F. None of the material tested displayed"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "measurable magnetic characteristics or"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "residual radiation. No radiation, not"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "magnetic."}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "G. Several samples were engraved or"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "embossed with marks and patterns. These"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "patterns were not readily identifiable,"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "and attempts to decipher their meaning"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "has been largely unsuccessful."}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "H. Examination of several apparent"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "mechanical devices, gears, etc. revealed"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "little or nothing of their function or"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "methods of manu or methods of"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "manufacturer. This is really interesting"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "stuff. The grain-free wood is a really"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "interesting way to describe something."}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "You know, if you were to think"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "grain-free wood or some type of plastic,"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "even Bob Lazar said that the craft that"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "he worked on, he wasn't convinced was"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "metallic."}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "It felt cold to the touch, but that"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "doesn't mean it was metal. You know, he"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "maybe some type of stone or lightweight"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "granite or something. All these"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "descriptions of this of these materials"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "seem a little foreign. And um we hear"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "about the the material that you you know"}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "you bend and it goes back to what it"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "originally was. You know back then we"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:54", "text": "also didn't have carbon fiber. You know"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "we didn't have any of this advanced sort"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "of metallic alloys that we have today."}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "So maybe today with a keener eye and"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "more sufficiently advanced tech, we'd be"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "able to properly, you know, determine"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "what this stuff is or at least the"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "contractors Rathon and Lockheed and all"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "the above probably already know this."}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "Next up, we got the press blackout"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "number 12. This is chapter 3 and"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "recovery operations. So what they go"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "through when they recover one of these"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "crashed UFOs."}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "Great care must be taken to preserve the"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "security of any location where"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "extraterrestrial technology might be"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "retrievable for scientific study."}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "Extreme measures must be taken to"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "protect and preserve any material or"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "craft from discovery, examination, or"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "removal by civilian agencies or"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "individuals of the general public. It is"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "therefore recommended that a total press"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "blackout be initiated whenever possible."}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "If this course of action should not"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "prove feasible, the following cover"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "stories are suggested for release of to"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "the press. The officer in charge will"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "act quickly to select the cover story"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "that best fits the situation. It should"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "be remembered when selecting a cover"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "story that official policy regarding"}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "UFOs is that they do not exist."}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "A official denial. Whoa, this is really"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:17", "text": "interesting. I'm having a flashback"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "to a discussion I had with Lou Alzando"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "on the podcast when we had Lou back in"}, {"end": "00:39:31", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "January. Lou said something really"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "interesting there. He said there's a"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "saying we have uh"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "first of all you deny everything. You"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "admit nothing and then you make counter"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "accusations. Well,"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "interesting."}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "A official denial. The most desirable"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "response would be that nothing unusual"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "has occurred. By stating that the"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "government has no knowledge of the"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "event, further investigation by the"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "public press may be forstalled. B."}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "Discredit witnesses."}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "If at all possible, witnesses will be"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "held in communicado until the extent of"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "their knowledge and involvement can be"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "determined. Witnesses will be"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "discouraged from talking about what they"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "have seen and intimidation may be"}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "necessary to ensure their cooperation."}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "If witnesses have already contacted the"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "press, it will be necessary to discredit"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "their stories. This can best be done by"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "the assertion that they have either"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "misinterpreted natural events, are the"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "victims of hysteria or hallucinations,"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "or are the perpetrators of hoaxes."}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "All of the above we've heard of, by the"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "way, especially the hoax part when you"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "look into things like not only the Gulf"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "Breeze situation in Florida, but Aztec,"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "probably the most monumental and well"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "covered crash retrieval incident in the"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "history of the United States, was"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "dismissed as a hoax immediately before"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "the press got a hold of it by the FBI."}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "And when looking into it, yeah, you"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "realize there's a lot more to it. I'm"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "leaving you guys breadcrumbs, by the"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "way. See, deceptive statements. It may"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "become necessary to issue false"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "statements to preserve the security of"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "the site. Meteors, down satellites,"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "weather balloons, and military aircraft"}, {"end": "00:41:25", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "are all acceptable alternatives."}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "Although in the case of the downed"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:25", "text": "military aircraft statement, care should"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "be exercised not to suggest the aircraft"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "might be experimental or secret, as this"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "might arouse more curiosity of both the"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "American and foreign press. Statements"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "issued concerning contamination of the"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "area due to toxic spills from trucks or"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "railroad tankers can also serve to keep"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "unauthorized or undesirable personnel"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "away from the area."}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "Sneaky. Super sneaky. 13. Secure the"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "area."}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "The area must be secured as rapidly as"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "possible to keep authorized personnel"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "from infiltrating the site. The officer"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "in charge will set up a perimeter and"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "establish a command post inside the"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "perimeter. Personnel allowed on the site"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "will be kept to the absolute minimum"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "necessary to prepare uh the craft or"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "debris for transport and will consist of"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "military security forces. Local"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "authorities may be pressed into service"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "on traffic and crowd control. Under no"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "circumstances will local official or law"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "enforcement personnel be allowed inside"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "the perimeter and all necessary"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "precautions should be taken to ensure"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "that they do not interfere with the"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "operation. Now, that's interesting"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "because also, you know, I go back to the"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "Aztec crash because it's something that"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "I'm looking into right now, but local"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "law enforcement apparently was at the"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "site. This is 1948, 8 months after"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "Roswell. Things were still a little"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "dicey on the recovery side, I'm"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "guessing. And so, you know, they doubled"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "down on their security tactics,"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "apparently. So, a a perimeter. It is"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "desirable that sufficient military"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "personnel be utilized to set up a"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "perimeter around the site large enough"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "to keep both unauthorized personnel and"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "the perimeter personnel from seeing the"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "site."}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "We have uh we've had incidences in 1947"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "according to you know uh Philip Corso"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "apparently the perimeters weren't well"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "established and people were just kind of"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "onlookers were kind of seeing you know"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "this this thing happened in real time"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "once the site is contained regular"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "patrols will be set up along the"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "perimeter to ensure complete security"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "and electronic surveillance will be"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "utilized to augment the patrols"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "perimeter personnel will be equipped"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "with hand communication and automatic"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "weapons with live ammunition. Personnel"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "working at the site will carry sidearms."}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "No author unauthorized personnel will be"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "allowed into the secure area. B. Command"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "post. Ideally, the command post should"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "be as close to the site as is practical"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "to efficiently coordinate operations."}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "As soon as the command post is"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "operational, contact with the Majestic"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "12 group will be established via secure"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "communications. C. Area sweep. The site"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "and surrounding area will be cleared of"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "all unauthorized unauthorized personnel."}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "Witnesses will be debriefed and detained"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "for further evaluation by MJ12. Under no"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "circumstances will witnesses be released"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "from custody until their stories have"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "been evaluated by MJ12 and they have"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "been thoroughly debriefed."}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "D. Situation evaluation. A preliminary"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "evaluation of the situation will be"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "completed and a preliminary report"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "prepared. The MJ12 group will then be"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "briefed on the situation at the earliest"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "possible opportunity. The MJ12 group"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "will then make a determination as to"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "whether or not a MJ12 red team or OPNAC"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "team will be dispatched to the area."}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "What is an OPNAC"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "team? An opac"}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "team refers to a group within the office"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "of the chief of naval operations opav"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "that focuses on specific naval"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "operations core functions. The N denotes"}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "a particular area of responsibility such"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "as operations, intelligence or"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "logistics. The C signifies a specific"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "command or division within that area."}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "These teams are integral to the Navy's"}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "organizational structure, ensuring"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "effective management and coordination of"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:19", "text": "various naval operations. Well, looks"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "like chat GPT steered me wrong a little"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "bit here. OPNAC is actually rumored to"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "possibly be an acronym said to stand for"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "Operations National Advisory Committee"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "or variations like Operational National"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "Command. It's not an officially"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "recognized organization. And so in UFO"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "Lord, it's sometimes described as like a"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "highlevel military or intelligence unit"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "involved in crash retrievalss,"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "extraterrestrial contact or special"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "access programs or SAPs. So if I make"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "reference mistakenly to naval"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "intelligence, well, forgive me, but that"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "doesn't mean the Navy isn't involved."}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "Once again, folks, the Navy inserts"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "itself into the crash retrieval"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "narrative quite deeply. As mentioned"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "again by John Ramirez, former CIA"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "officer, he says the highest"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "most top secret program which he was"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "refused to be read into had to do with"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "underwater recovery. Let's go into"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "section two, the technology recovery,"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "removal and transport."}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "And this includes um entities as well."}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "As soon as a communication is"}, {"end": "00:46:33", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "established, removal and transport of"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "all material will commence under order"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "from MJ12. A documentation. If the"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "situation permits, care should be taken"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "to document the area with photographs"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "before anything is moved. The area will"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "be checked for radiation and other toxic"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "agents. If the area cannot be kept"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "secure for an extended period of time,"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "all material must be packed and"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "transported as quickly as possible to"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "the nearest secure military facility."}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "This will be accomplished by covered"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "transport using little traveled roads"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "wherever possible. B complete or"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "functional craft. Craft are to be"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "approached with extreme caution if they"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "appear functional as serious injury may"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "result from exposure to radiation and"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "electrical discharges. If the craft is"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "functioning but appears to be abandoned,"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "it may be approached only by specially"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "trained MJ12 red team personnel wearing"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "protective clothing. Any device that"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "seems to be functioning should also be"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "left to MJ12 red team disposal. Complete"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "craft and parts of craft too large to be"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "transported by covered transport will be"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "disassembled."}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "If this can be accomplished easily and"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "quickly if they must be transported"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "whole or on open flatbed trailers, they"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "will be covered in such a manner as to"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "camouflage their shape."}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "Whoa."}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "So, they're actively camouflaging their"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "shape during transport. That's"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "interesting"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "because obviously seeing a saucer on a"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "flatbed, I mean, kind of gives it away."}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "Wow. Maybe now is a good time to remind"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "you that our Majestic 12 MJ12 merch line"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "is now available. collection comes"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "complete with hats, patches, pins,"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "sweaters, t-shirts, journals, pencils,"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "so many different things. We worked so"}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "hard on this collection. We've been"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "actually working on this for the past I"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "think like six or eight months. Um, very"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "very proud of it. Get it while you can."}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "Get it while it's hot. Available at"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "area52.shop."}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "We carry on. See, now we go on to"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "extraterrestrial and biological"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "entities. EBEs must be removed to a top"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "secret facility as quickly as possible."}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "Great care should be taken to prevent"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "possible contamination by alien"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "biological agents."}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "Dead EBEs should be packed in ice at the"}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "earliest opportunity to preserve"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "tissues. Should live EBEs be"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "encountered, they should be taken into"}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "custody and removed to a top secret"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "facility by ambulance."}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "Every effort should be taken to ensure"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "the EBE's survival. Personnel"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "involvement with EBEs, alive or dead,"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "must be kept to an absolute minimum. See"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "chapter 5 for more detailed information"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "dealing with EBEs. We'll get to chapter"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "5 in a second. That is crazy."}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "Imagine you're an ambulance driver."}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "If there's an ambulance driver out there"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "who remembers driving around, please"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "reach out to us. Cleansing the area."}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "Once all material has been removed from"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "the central area, the immediate area"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "will be thoroughly inspected to make"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "sure that all traces of extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "technology have been removed. In the"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "case of a crash, the surrounding area"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "will be thoroughly gone over several"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "times to ensure that nothing has been"}, {"end": "00:50:00", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "overlooked. The search area involved may"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "vary according to local conditions at"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:00", "text": "the discretion of the officer in charge."}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "When the officer in charge is satisfied"}, {"end": "00:50:08", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "that no further evidence of the event"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "remains at the site, it may be"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:08", "text": "evacuated."}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "Also, something in Diana Pulka's book"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "which was interesting, they talked about"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "her being brought to this crash site in"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "New Mexico by who we now know uh as Tim"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "Taylor, this person, you know, that"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "worked somehow in the government. Um,"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "but at this very crash site, there"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "seemed to be a ton of just like debris,"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "aluminum debris from like tin cans and"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "stuff. And it was explained to her that"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "that's actually how they cover up a lot"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "of this stuff. So instead of finding all"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "the little parts, it's much easier to"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "cover it up with a bunch of junk and"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "then people metal detecting just, you"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "know, you're never going to find"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "anything. So"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "16 special or unusual conditions. The"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "possibility exists that extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "craft may land or crash in heavily"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "populated areas where security cannot be"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "maintained or where large segments of"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "the population and the public press may"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "witness these events. Contingency plan"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "MJ194904P78"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "top secret eyes only should be held in"}, {"end": "00:51:17", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "readiness should the need to make a"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "public disclosure become necessary. Now"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:17", "text": "that was referenced in the original um"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "briefing documents that we read through"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "if you want to check that out. Okay,"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "here"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "this is interesting because these are um"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "basically items,"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "the description and condition of the"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "items,"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "the code"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "and then"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "the receiving facility."}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "Now if we look at aircraft intact or"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "operational"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "S4"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "intact devices"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "like electronic devices or machines S4"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "damaged device S4 power plant so devices"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "and machines and fragments which are"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "possible propulsion units fuels and etc."}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "S4"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "identified and unidentified fragments S4"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "however"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "non- mechanical non electronic materials"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "of a support nature such as clothing"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "personal belongings or organic"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "ingestables"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "went to the blue lab WP61"}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "what is that they're saying here that"}, {"end": "00:52:43", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "blue lab blue means means uh like the"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "being like a blue lab is also slang for"}, {"end": "00:52:47", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "like the lab handling blue or the"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "non-human intelligence. So the living"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:47", "text": "nonhumans would go to the department of"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "naval u intelligence at some some level"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "and then the deceased ones would go to"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "blue lab. My guess would be battel. Uh"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "that's where the EBO scientist said that"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "where he had worked or where the bodies"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "were being kept the dead ones and then"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "the living ones would be uh operations"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "of naval intelligence at some point."}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "Uh and then media would go to building 2"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "at KB88 and then any device"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "um any weapon would go to S4 as well. So"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "S4 being the major facility there. Here"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "they just show basically packing slips"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "for if you're shipping this stuff and"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "what that should look like. The box"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "closure is sealed with a gummed craft"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "tape. Here's the craft tape that they"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "were referring to initially. MJ form"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "1-007"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "is placed in a sealed manila envelope"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "marked magic 12 access only. It then"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "shows here a diagram. There's a picture"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "here of the original picture of the"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "diagram of like what the boxes will look"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "like, how to handle those, how to take"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "them out. All very serious stuff. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "pretty standard, I guess, when dealing"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "with sensitive materials. Here we go."}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "Section one, living organisms. The"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "EBEEs, baby."}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "Scope. This section deals with the"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "encounters with living extraterrestrial"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "biological entities or EBEs. Such"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "encounters fall under the jurisdiction"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "of MJ12,"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "OPNAC, BBS-01,"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "and will be dealt with by the special"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "unit only. This section details the"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "responsibilities of persons or units"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "making the initial"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "contact. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "This is something I got to learn if"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "we're having one of these little gray"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "fellas on this podcast one day."}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "Encounters. Encounters with EBEs may be"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "classified according to one of the"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "following categories."}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "Encounters. A. Encounters initiated by"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "EBEs. Possible contact may take place as"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "a result of overtures by the entities"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "themselves."}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "In these instances, it is anticipated"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "that encounters will take place at"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "military installations or other obscure"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "locations selected by mutual agreement."}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "Such meetings would have the advantage"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "of being limited to personnel with"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "appropriate clearance away from public"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "scrutiny. Although it is not considered"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "very probable, there also exists the"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "possibility that EBEEs may land in"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "public places without prior notice. In"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "this case, OPNAC team uh will formulate"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "cover stories for the press and prepare"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "briefings for the president and chiefs"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "of staff. So here they're just basically"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "telling us that they're already"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "communicating with these EBEs and that"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "they already have a deal with them which"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "corroborates what was said by Dan Burish"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "or Dan Crane about the initial contact"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "with the J-Rod uh that there was some"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "type of deal or exchange program"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "happening. And it also corroborates this"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "idea that in 19 I think it was 54 maybe"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "56 uh this idea of the Gata treaty made"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "by Eisenhower where he met with the"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "aliens but then al also the meeting in I"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "think 1965"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "at the Hollowman Air Force Field uh the"}, {"end": "00:56:14", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "landing there another meeting occurred"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "with taller entities I don't know very"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "interesting B encounters as a result of"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "downcraft contact with survivor Drivers"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "of accidents or craft down by natural"}, {"end": "00:56:27", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "events or military action may occur with"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "little or no warning. In these cases, it"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:27", "text": "is important that the initial contact be"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "limited to personnel to preserve"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "security. Civilian witnesses to the area"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "will be detained and debriefed by MJ12."}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "Contact with EBEs by military personnel"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "not having MJ12 or OPNAC clearances is"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "to be strictly limited to action"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "necessary to ensure the availability of"}, {"end": "00:56:51", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "the EBEs for study by the OPNAC team."}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "Now remember, OPNAC is the ones that"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:51", "text": "deal with them when they're alive."}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "24. Isolation and custody. Okay, little"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "custody battle for these little guys."}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "EBBE will be detained by whatever means"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "are necessary and removed to a secure"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "location as soon as possible."}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "Precautions will be taken by personnel"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "coming in contact with EBEs to minimize"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "the risk of disease as a result of"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "contamination by unknown organisms."}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "If the entities are wearing space suits"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "or breathing apparatus of some kind,"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "care should be exercised to prevent"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "damage to these devices. While all"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "efforts should be taken to assure the"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "well-being of the EBEs, they must be"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "isolated from any contact with"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "unauthorized personnel. While it is not"}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "clear what provisions or amenities might"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "be required by non-human entities, they"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "should be provided if possible."}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "The officer in charge of the operation"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "will make these determinations as no"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "guidelines now exist to cover this area."}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "And I'm sure they've since come up with"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "a lot of these guidelines, you know,"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "following the 1996"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "crash and visitation of these tiny"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "little aliens in this town of Argginia,"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:02", "text": "Brazil, you know, where people who came"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "in contact, namely one person who came"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "in contact with one of these beings"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "ended up dying from what was written on"}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "his auto autopsy, general infection,"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "you know, due to contact was I mean, so"}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "as much as I'd love to have one of these"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "little guys on the podcast, I will I"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "I'll I'll be wearing a spacuit for sure"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "or it will one of us will both of us"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "might uh severe precautions will be"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "taken in order to assure both of our uh"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "survival. B injured or wounded entities"}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "will be treated by a medical personnel"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "assigned to the OPNAC team. If the team"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "medical personnel are not immediately"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "available, first aid will be"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "administered by medical core personnel"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "at the initial site. Since little is"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "known about EBE's biological functions,"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "aid will be confined to the stopping of"}, {"end": "00:58:59", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "bleeding, bandaging of wounds, and"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "spinting of broken limbs. No medications"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:58:59", "text": "of any kind are to be administered as"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "the effect of terrestrial medications on"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "non-human biological systems are"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "impossible to predict. As soon as the"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "injuries are considered stabilized, the"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "EBEs will be moved by close close"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "ambulance"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "or other suitable uh conveyance to a"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "secure location."}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "C. In dealing with any living"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "extraterrestrial biological entity,"}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "security is of paramount importance."}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "All other considerations are secondary."}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "Although it is preferable to maintain"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "the physical well-being of any entity,"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "the loss of EBE life is considered"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "acceptable if conditions or delays to"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "preserve that life in any ways"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "compromises the security of operations."}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "Basically saying"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "making sure everything is under wraps is"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "more important than the lives of these"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "EBEs. That's how important this program"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "is to these folks."}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "By some sheer miracle, this beautiful"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "little life that comes from another star"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "system and another species entirely"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "makes its way here to communicate with"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "us. It is more important for us"}, {"end": "01:00:16", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "that no one finds out about it than that"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "the life of this EBE continues to exist."}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:16", "text": "Sad times indeed."}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "I would not like to be the one making"}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "that call. D. Once the OPNAC team has"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "taken custody of the EBEs, their care"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "and transportation to designated"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "facilities become the responsibility of"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "OPNAC personnel. Every cooperation will"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "be extended to the team in carrying out"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "duties. OPNAC team personnel will be"}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "given top priority at all times"}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "regardless of their apparent rank or"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "status. No person has the authority to"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "interfere with the OPNAC team in the"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "performance of its duties by special"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "direction of the president of the United"}, {"end": "01:00:55", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "States. Whoa."}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "So even the lowest level OPNAC security"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:55", "text": "personnel supersedes absolutely any"}, {"end": "01:01:02", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "government entity in existence. Now"}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "we're going to go into non-living"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:02", "text": "organisms. All right. So the scope"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "ideally retrieval for scientific study"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "of cadaavvers and other biological"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "remains will be carried out by medical"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "personnel familiar with this type of"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "procedure. Familiar."}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "Huh."}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "probably talking about um either Vanavar"}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "Bush or uh Dr."}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "Bronc is it? These are the guys that"}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "apparently you know were dealing with"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "the deceased Ebans or EBEs. Because of"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "security considerations, such"}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "collections may need to be done by"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "non-medical personnel. The section will"}, {"end": "01:01:44", "start": "01:01:40", "text": "provide guidance for retrieval,"}, {"end": "01:01:47", "start": "01:01:42", "text": "preservation, and removal of cadaavvers"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:44", "text": "and remains in the field. Oo, dark"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:47", "text": "retrieval and preservation. A the degree"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "of decomposition of organic remains will"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "vary depending on the length of time the"}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "remains have been lying in the open"}, {"end": "01:02:02", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "unprotected and may be accelerated by"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "both local weather conditions and action"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:02", "text": "by predators. Gross. Therefore,"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "biological specimens will be removed"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "from the crash site as quickly as"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "possible to preserve the remains in as"}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "good a condition as possible. A"}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "photographic record will be made of all"}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "remains before they are removed from the"}, {"end": "01:02:24", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "site."}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "Again, the gross sort of thought comes"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:24", "text": "to mind of like"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "some coyote just like having dinner in"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "the desert unexpectedly being like,"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "\"Ooh, a snack.\" B. Personnel involved"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:35", "text": "with this type of operation will take"}, {"end": "01:02:41", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "all reasonable precautions to minimize"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "phys physical contact with the cadaavver"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:41", "text": "cadaavvers or remains being retrieved."}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "Surgical gloves should be worn or if"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "they are not available, wool or leather"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "gloves may be worn provided they are"}, {"end": "01:02:54", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "collected for decontamination"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "immediately after use. Shovels and"}, {"end": "01:02:58", "start": "01:02:54", "text": "entrenching tools may be employed to"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "handle remains provided caution is"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:58", "text": "exercised to be certain no damage is"}, {"end": "01:03:05", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "done to the remains."}, {"end": "01:03:08", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "Remains will be touched with bare hands"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:05", "text": "only if no other means of moving them"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:08", "text": "can be found."}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "All personnel and equipment involved in"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "recovery operations will undergo"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "decontamination procedures immediately"}, {"end": "01:03:19", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "after those operations have been"}, {"end": "01:03:21", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "completed."}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:19", "text": "Wonder if they talk about the smell as"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "well. Remains will be preserved against"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "further decomposition as equipment and"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "conditions permit. Cadaavvers and"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "remains will be bagged or securely"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "wrapped in waterproof coverings."}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "Tarpolins or foul weather gear may be"}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "used for this purpose if necessary."}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "Remains will be refrigerated or packed"}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "with ice if available."}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "All remains will be tagged or labeled"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "and the time and date recorded. Wrapped"}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:48", "text": "remains will be placed on stretchers or"}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "insealed containers for immediate"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "removal to a secure facility. Small"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "detached pieces and material scraped"}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "from solid surfaces will be put in jars"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "and other small capped containers if"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "available. Containers will be clearly"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "marked as to their contents and the time"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "and date recorded. Containers will be"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "refrigerated or packed with ice as soon"}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "as possible and removed to a secure"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "facility. So, we know that there are"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "photos then, right? That's what they"}, {"end": "01:04:20", "start": "01:04:17", "text": "keep saying with the down craft, with"}, {"end": "01:04:24", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "the EBEs."}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:20", "text": "photographs are suggested to be taken."}, {"end": "01:04:31", "start": "01:04:24", "text": "Right. So Danny Shehan had mentioned"}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "in one of our podcasts"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:31", "text": "that"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "that he was made aware"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "of a photo at Project Blue Book that"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "looked like this that was taken when the"}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "crash"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "uh UFO was like in a hill and there were"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "people um photographing it. There was"}, {"end": "01:04:55", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "like people holding like those real"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "cameras and filming it. So that checks"}, {"end": "01:04:59", "start": "01:04:55", "text": "out to what Danny Sheihin was saying"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "about it which is pretty cool. Bit of a"}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:04:59", "text": "piece of anecdotal corroborative"}, {"end": "01:05:05", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "evidence if you will. But hey, it's what"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "we got to work with, you know. Here we"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:05", "text": "got an image of different crafts which"}, {"end": "01:05:11", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "is really interesting."}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "Interesting that some of them do show"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:11", "text": "seams though when they said no seams."}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "Chapter six guide to UFO identification."}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "The UFO guide follow-up investigations."}, {"end": "01:05:25", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "A UFO report is worthy of follow-up"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "investigation when it contains"}, {"end": "01:05:28", "start": "01:05:25", "text": "information to suggest that positive"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "identification with a well-known"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:28", "text": "phenomenon may be made or when it"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:31", "text": "characterizes an unusual phenomenon. The"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "report suggests almost immediately"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "largely by the coherency and clarity of"}, {"end": "01:05:43", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "the data that there is something of"}, {"end": "01:05:45", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "identification and/or scientific value."}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:43", "text": "In general, reports which should be"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:45", "text": "given consideration are those that"}, {"end": "01:05:51", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "involve several reliable observers"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "together or separately and which concern"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:51", "text": "sightings of greater duration than one"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "quarter minute."}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "Exception should be made to this when"}, {"end": "01:06:04", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "circumstances attending the report are"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "considered to be extraordinary. Special"}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:04", "text": "attention should be given to reports uh"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "which give promise to a fix on the"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "position and those reports involving"}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "unusual trajectories. You know, it is"}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "interesting that like even if you are"}, {"end": "01:06:21", "start": "01:06:16", "text": "skeptically inclined, you have to"}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "imagine that the Air Force or whoever is"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:21", "text": "receiving phone calls from an I because"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "rest assured people do receive phone"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "calls."}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "You know, whether or not the events are"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "happening, people are calling and saying"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "that there are events happening whether"}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "it's misidentification or whatever it"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "is, right? So, these people call in."}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:36", "text": "Well, there has to be some type of"}, {"end": "01:06:44", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "structure for screening these calls and"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "they would be foolish"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:44", "text": "based on multiple, you know, data points"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "of eyewitnesses to dismiss anything,"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "right? So, there has to be So, this"}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "would make sense that they have some"}, {"end": "01:06:56", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "type of protocol. Um, you know, if"}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "you're out there doubting any of this is"}, {"end": "01:07:00", "start": "01:06:56", "text": "real, um, you would be hardressed to"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:58", "text": "think that they don't have some type of"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:00", "text": "protocol for screening, you know,"}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "possible foreign adversarial"}, {"end": "01:07:12", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "aerial uh, phenomena, you know, they"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "they need to know. So, yeah. So, the"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:12", "text": "duration of the sighting more than less"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "than 15 seconds. That is really"}, {"end": "01:07:21", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "interesting. Okay. Each UFO beat uh case"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "should be judged individually, but there"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:21", "text": "are a number of rules of thumb uh under"}, {"end": "01:07:28", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "each of the following headings which"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "should prove helpful in determining the"}, {"end": "01:07:31", "start": "01:07:28", "text": "necessity for following up an"}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "investigation. Okay. So, if you're out"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:31", "text": "there folks and you're wanting to uh you"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "know call the Air Force or MJ12 or"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "whatever it may be with your concerns"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "about a sighting, make sure you take"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "these rules of thumb into consideration."}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "A, the duration of sighting. So, the"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "duration of sighting uh when it's less"}, {"end": "01:07:52", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "than 15 seconds, the probabilities are"}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "great that it is not worthy of a"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:52", "text": "follow-up. As a word of caution,"}, {"end": "01:07:58", "start": "01:07:54", "text": "however, should a large number of"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "individual observers concur on an"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:58", "text": "unusual sighting of a few second"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "durations, it should not be dismissed."}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "B. The number of persons reporting the"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "sighting. Short duration sightings by"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "single individuals are seldom worthy of"}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "follow-up. two or three competent"}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "independent observations carry the"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "weight of 10 or more simultaneous"}, {"end": "01:08:20", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "individual observations. As an example,"}, {"end": "01:08:22", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "25 people at one spot may observe a"}, {"end": "01:08:25", "start": "01:08:20", "text": "strange light in the sky. This, however,"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:22", "text": "has less weight than two reliable people"}, {"end": "01:08:29", "start": "01:08:25", "text": "observing the same light from different"}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "locations. In the latter case, a"}, {"end": "01:08:34", "start": "01:08:29", "text": "position fix is indicated. Ooh,"}, {"end": "01:08:37", "start": "01:08:31", "text": "interesting. C. Distance from location"}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:34", "text": "of sightings to nearest field unit."}, {"end": "01:08:41", "start": "01:08:37", "text": "Reports which meet the preliminary"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "criterion stated above should all be"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:41", "text": "investigated if their occurrence is in"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "the immediate uh operating vicinity of"}, {"end": "01:08:49", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "the squadron concerned. For reports"}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "involving greater distances, follow-up"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:49", "text": "necessity might be judged as being"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:51", "text": "inversely proportional to the square of"}, {"end": "01:08:59", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "the distances concerned. For example, an"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "occurrence of 150 mi away might be"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:08:59", "text": "considered to have four times the"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:00", "text": "importance other things being equal than"}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "one that is 300 m away."}, {"end": "01:09:14", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "That's also interesting."}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:10", "text": "So things that are in direct vicinity of"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:14", "text": "military, let's say, hold a higher"}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "importance just because of location."}, {"end": "01:09:25", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "D. Reliability of person or person's"}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:23", "text": "reporting. In establishing the necessity"}, {"end": "01:09:28", "start": "01:09:25", "text": "of follow-up investigation, only"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "short-term reliability of individuals"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:28", "text": "can be employed. Short-term reliability"}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "is judged from the logic and coherency"}, {"end": "01:09:37", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "of the original report by the age and"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "occupation of the person. Particularly"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:37", "text": "particular attention should be given to"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "whether the occupation involves"}, {"end": "01:09:46", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "observation, reporting or technical"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "knowledge. Right? So, a young vital"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:46", "text": "pilot might be someone they pay more"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "attention to or give more importance to"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "than"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "an old YouTuber like myself, let's say."}, {"end": "01:10:04", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "Uh, E, number of individual sightings"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "reported. Two completely individual"}, {"end": "01:10:08", "start": "01:10:04", "text": "sightings, especially when separated by"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "a mile or more, constitutes sufficient"}, {"end": "01:10:14", "start": "01:10:08", "text": "cause for follow-up, assuming previous"}, {"end": "01:10:16", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "criterion have not been violated. F. The"}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:14", "text": "value of obtaining additional"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:16", "text": "information immediately. If the"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "information cannot be obtained within 7"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "days, the value of such information is"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "greatly decreased. It is of great value"}, {"end": "01:10:29", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "to obtain additional information"}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "immediately if previously stated"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:29", "text": "criteria have been met. Often if"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "gathered quickly, weather conditions,"}, {"end": "01:10:39", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "angular speed, changes in direction, uh"}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "duration are sufficient for immediate"}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:39", "text": "evaluation. If investigation is"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "undertaken after weeks or months, the"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "original observers cease to be a value"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "as far as additional new information is"}, {"end": "01:10:55", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "concerned. Fair. Generally, late"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "interrogation yields only bare"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:55", "text": "repetition of facts originally reported"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "plus an inability on the part of the"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "observer to be objective. I agree with"}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "that. I think the further, you know,"}, {"end": "01:11:09", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "just like a magic trick, and I talk"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:06", "text": "about this um on several podcasts that"}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:09", "text": "I've been on, but when describing"}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "seeing or observing"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:16", "text": "anomalous phenomena, it is akin to"}, {"end": "01:11:25", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "someone describing what a magic trick"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "was in that your perspective is a little"}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:25", "text": "bit skewed because of, you know, the"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "impossibility, the nature of the"}, {"end": "01:11:35", "start": "01:11:28", "text": "impossibility of the occurrence,"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "but also So immediately after an event"}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:35", "text": "takes place, a few things happen to you"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "psychologically which inhibit you know"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:44", "text": "proper reporting"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "and one of those being you don't want to"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "seem foolish."}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "So you will make the conditions a little"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "bit more impossible. Uh, and two, a lot"}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "of times you want to"}, {"end": "01:12:03", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "make the person feel as though they were"}, {"end": "01:12:06", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "there when explaining to them. So,"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:03", "text": "you're not trying to give them data,"}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:06", "text": "you're trying to convey an emotion. And"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "you'll and when you do that, you pat on"}, {"end": "01:12:15", "start": "01:12:10", "text": "things a little bit. You'll round off"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "the edges and erode the information a"}, {"end": "01:12:20", "start": "01:12:15", "text": "little bit uh so that it appears more"}, {"end": "01:12:22", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "digestible and more awe inspiring or"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:20", "text": "wondrous."}, {"end": "01:12:26", "start": "01:12:22", "text": "So, that will happen. So I understand"}, {"end": "01:12:28", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "that existence of physical evidence,"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:26", "text": "photographs, material hardware. In cases"}, {"end": "01:12:31", "start": "01:12:28", "text": "where any physical evidence exists,"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "follow-up should be made even if some of"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:31", "text": "the above criterion have not been met."}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:36", "text": "Right? So if you're reporting a"}, {"end": "01:12:40", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "sighting, if you say, \"Hey, I have a"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "piece of something,\" rest assured you're"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:40", "text": "going to get a knock on the door. And"}, {"end": "01:12:47", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "conclusion, it is understood that all"}, {"end": "01:12:49", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "the above criteria must be evaluated in"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:47", "text": "terms of common sense. The original"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:49", "text": "report from its working and clarity will"}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "almost always suggest to the reader"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "whether there is any pay dirt in the"}, {"end": "01:13:00", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "report."}, {"end": "01:13:02", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "Identification criteria."}, {"end": "01:13:04", "start": "01:13:00", "text": "When a UFO report meets in large measure"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:02", "text": "the criteria projected in section one"}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:04", "text": "and a follow-up investigation is in"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "instituted, then the interrogator should"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "ask what physical object or object might"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "have served as the original stimulus for"}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "the report. The word object here"}, {"end": "01:13:22", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "includes optical phenomena such as"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "reflections from clouds, sun dogs, etc."}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:22", "text": "Frequently, one or perhaps two solutions"}, {"end": "01:13:30", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "will be immediately suggested by the"}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "nature of the report. The word solution"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:30", "text": "cannot be used here in the scientific"}, {"end": "01:13:39", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "sense. A solution in UFO work means that"}, {"end": "01:13:41", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "a hypothesis has been arrived at which"}, {"end": "01:13:43", "start": "01:13:39", "text": "appears to have the greatest probability"}, {"end": "01:13:46", "start": "01:13:41", "text": "of having given rise to the given"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:43", "text": "report. Following is a group of"}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:46", "text": "hypotheses or examples which should"}, {"end": "01:13:53", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "prove helpful in arriving at solutions."}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "A check should be made to see how many"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:53", "text": "of the items are satisfied by the report"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:56", "text": "and how many are missing. An effort"}, {"end": "01:14:03", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "should be made to obtain any missing"}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "items as soon as possible. Each typical"}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:03", "text": "hypothesis is listed in a separate"}, {"end": "01:14:09", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "paragraph."}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "So a lot of these things are going to be"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:09", "text": "reported, right? I remember I think it"}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "was November or December a lot of people"}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "had posted uh videos of the planet I"}, {"end": "01:14:22", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "think it was Venus"}, {"end": "01:14:26", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "and Venus in the wintertime before the"}, {"end": "01:14:29", "start": "01:14:22", "text": "sun sets is completely visible in the"}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:26", "text": "sky and brighter than any other star and"}, {"end": "01:14:33", "start": "01:14:29", "text": "it just kind of sits there and so a lot"}, {"end": "01:14:36", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "of UFO reports tend to increase during"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:33", "text": "that time. Not to say that UFOs don't"}, {"end": "01:14:42", "start": "01:14:36", "text": "exist. We're just saying that people"}, {"end": "01:14:44", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "will report prosaic uh events as well as"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:42", "text": "you know UFOs."}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:44", "text": "So something they have to be aware of."}, {"end": "01:14:51", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "So they talk about aircrafts, balloons,"}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "meteors, stars or planets"}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:51", "text": "um and optical phenomena including um"}, {"end": "01:15:00", "start": "01:14:55", "text": "lights and sund dogs and whatnot. So I'm"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "not going to go through all of that."}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:00", "text": "That seems like a department for h you"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "know for Dr. Menzel uh to take care of."}, {"end": "01:15:11", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "But yeah, essentially just looking at"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "natural phenomenon and things that you"}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:11", "text": "know, you would assume are up there. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "another one of which that won't be"}, {"end": "01:15:20", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "included in there now today, which makes"}, {"end": "01:15:23", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "things, you know, exponentially more"}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:20", "text": "complicated, satellites and drones and"}, {"end": "01:15:27", "start": "01:15:23", "text": "experimental aircraft as well. But yeah,"}, {"end": "01:15:30", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "that's something that we have to be on"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:27", "text": "the look for as well. So folks, that's"}, {"end": "01:15:36", "start": "01:15:30", "text": "about it for the read through here. in"}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "my opinion, a very thorough"}, {"end": "01:15:41", "start": "01:15:36", "text": "manual of operations."}, {"end": "01:15:44", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "Everything from"}, {"end": "01:15:46", "start": "01:15:41", "text": "what to do with the reported sightings,"}, {"end": "01:15:47", "start": "01:15:44", "text": "what to do with the crash, how do you"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:46", "text": "lock down things, how do you create a"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:47", "text": "media blackout, how do you interrogate"}, {"end": "01:15:54", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "and debrief people, where do you send"}, {"end": "01:15:57", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "the wreckage, the bodies, the tech, the"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:54", "text": "live beings, who to contact, how to"}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:57", "text": "package it, create it, ship it"}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "nationally, internationally,"}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "and just basically how to cover it up,"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "how to keep it secret. MJ12 to this day"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "continues to be a part of the UFO"}, {"end": "01:16:16", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "Zeitgeist and lore. It includes everyone"}, {"end": "01:16:21", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "from Bob Lazar"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:16", "text": "to Dan Burish or Crane to Richard Dodie"}, {"end": "01:16:27", "start": "01:16:21", "text": "to all sorts of other people involved"}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "and the campaigns of disinformation run"}, {"end": "01:16:32", "start": "01:16:27", "text": "rampant within this area. So definitely"}, {"end": "01:16:36", "start": "01:16:30", "text": "proceed with caution when consuming this"}, {"end": "01:16:39", "start": "01:16:32", "text": "content, but keep an open mind as well."}, {"end": "01:16:42", "start": "01:16:36", "text": "I personally my conviction very very"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:39", "text": "high that MJ12 or at least the Majestic"}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:42", "text": "program exists and most of that comes"}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "from"}, {"end": "01:16:53", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "you know confirmation"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "uh from Bob Lazar who I hold I think in"}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:53", "text": "highest conviction of all people who"}, {"end": "01:17:00", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "have stepped forward. crucify me for"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "that if you like, but uh I've spoken to"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:00", "text": "Bob, you know, on several occasions and"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "um it is clear to me at least that uh"}, {"end": "01:17:14", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "that he was involved in one of these"}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "projects and that the MJ stuff"}, {"end": "01:17:20", "start": "01:17:14", "text": "is real. So, that is my personal"}, {"end": "01:17:22", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "conviction level on the matter. And uh I"}, {"end": "01:17:24", "start": "01:17:20", "text": "don't say that lightly, I'll tell you"}, {"end": "01:17:27", "start": "01:17:22", "text": "that. Folks, let me know what you think"}, {"end": "01:17:29", "start": "01:17:24", "text": "of the Majestic 12 group. If you haven't"}, {"end": "01:17:33", "start": "01:17:27", "text": "already checked out the previous video I"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:29", "text": "made on these gatekeepers of aliens, go"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:33", "text": "check it out. I'll leave the link in the"}, {"end": "01:17:40", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "description. I worked hard on that"}, {"end": "01:17:42", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "video, too. And by all means, if you"}, {"end": "01:17:47", "start": "01:17:40", "text": "want to check out Area52.shop"}, {"end": "01:17:50", "start": "01:17:42", "text": "and shop your very own piece of MJ12"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:47", "text": "merch, by all means do so. It is there."}, {"end": "01:17:53", "start": "01:17:50", "text": "Uh we will not be reprinting anything."}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "This is like as soon as it's out there,"}, {"end": "01:17:57", "start": "01:17:53", "text": "it's gone. It's gone and we're going to"}, {"end": "01:17:59", "start": "01:17:55", "text": "move on. But this collection, um, you"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:57", "text": "know, we we stock the shelves quite a"}, {"end": "01:18:06", "start": "01:17:59", "text": "bit. So, uh, have at it."}, {"end": "01:18:10", "start": "01:18:03", "text": "Um, join the Discord, check out the"}, {"end": "01:18:12", "start": "01:18:06", "text": "extra episodes on the membership,"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:10", "text": "and yeah, we'll see you guys on the next"}, {"end": "01:18:17", "start": "01:18:12", "text": "video. Next week, we got a cool guest"}, {"end": "01:18:20", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "coming into the skiff. Uh, a Hollywood"}, {"end": "01:18:23", "start": "01:18:17", "text": "director. Stay tuned for that."}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:20", "text": "Peace and love."}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:23", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Has there ever been a situation that you"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "were in where you've gotten confirmation"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "of government's involvement with human"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "alien hybrids?"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "Yes. Okay."}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "From a credible source, you could say"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "yes. They know about the hybrids. Yes. I"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "mean, gun to your head right now, you"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "would you would say absolutely."}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Absolutely. Yes. They were able to"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "collect DNA from aliens. John Ramirez,"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "former CIA officer, 25 year career. CIA"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "had a program to trace this alien DNA in"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "certain families and particularly their"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "children were of interest to CIA. The"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "CIA was tracking the activity of"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "hybrids, human alien hybrids in the"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "United States. that and going back in in"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "their lineage in that 25 years. Did you"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "encounter anyone you knew for sure was"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "read into one of the deeper programs?"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Yes. Did you have a lot of interactions"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "with this person? Yes, I did. My name"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "was submitted for that particular"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "compartment and the Pentagon came back"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "and said, \"No, we're not going to read"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "John Romero's into that.\" No way. You"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "specifically You specifically cannot be"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "rated. He said, \"You don't understand,"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "John. This program is the highest secret"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "top secret in the entire United States"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "government. This top secret information"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "exceeds that of Manhattan Project.\" His"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "um branch uh did operations under the"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "sea, retrieving things. Bob, one of my"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "engineers, was looking at one of the"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "manuals was that thick, and he left that"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "on his desk. The title was UFO"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Propulsion Systems, Manual of"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Operations. We were flying something"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "that wasn't a satellite. What did it"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "look like? It looked like an egg. I"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "personally had only one I would call bad"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "but not demonic experience. And that"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "experience was with a reptilian like"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "being that showed up in in my condo when"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "I lived in Washington DC. And the other"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "I can't identify because it was"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "shrouded. It was wearing a cloak. A"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "hood. A hood. Yeah. A cloak and a hood."}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "And they showed up one night and they"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "just I woke up cop and they go, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "don't don't mind us. We just want to let"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "you know that we know you moved.\""}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "And then I went to medical services. I"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "had something done here. And can I get"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "those records? I said, \"Sorry. Um, your"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "medical records are classified. You"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "cannot have them.\""}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "Okay. Wait, they classified your own"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "medical records? Implants are real."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "Yeah, it's not a conspiracy theory. And"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "hybrids are real. That's not a"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "conspiracy theory."}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "Hi, Chris. Uh, my name is John. When I"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "was like really young back in 2003, me"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "and my friend were shooting um BB guns"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "and pellet guns in his backyard and in"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "Mission Viejo. It was during the middle"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "of the day probably around 11:00 noon"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "and this golden"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "glowing almost like eggshaped"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "something and it had an aura around it."}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "It was also eggshaped like sitting"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "upright and it was about the size of a"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Volkswagen bug and it was floating over"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "my friend's house really slow and I"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "wasn't afraid of it. I saw my friend saw"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "it. Um, of course, back at the time, we"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "didn't have cell phones to take pictures"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "of it. So, I told him to run inside,"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "hurry up, grab a camera, grab a camera."}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "And he didn't have one, unfortunately."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, today I am joined"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "by the incomparable uh John Ramirez,"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "former CIA officer, 25 year um career"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "with the CIA, which is incredibly"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "impressive. There's a lot of things that"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "I'd like to talk to uh you about today."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "A lot of things that I refrained"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "mentioning while we were having"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "interactions in the last, you know, 24"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "hours because I wanted to save it for"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "here. Uh but I appreciate you coming"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "into the skiff and welcome. Well, thanks"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "very much, Chris, for having me here."}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "I've seen your podcast uh myself and I I"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "really like the way you conduct"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "interviews and I really love all of this"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "I would call it lab equipment. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "this is very similar to what I had in my"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "electronic intelligence lab at CIA"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "headquarters with the addition of"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "receivers and other signal processing"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "equipment, but basically you have all of"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "the components required to do signals"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "analysis right here. That's interesting."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "I noticed you gravitating towards this"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "uh yesterday as I gave you the tour of"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "the office and you like a moth to a"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "flame came right up to these things. You"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "were able to recognize a lot of the"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "equipment. So, you know, as as much as"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "this is purely aesthetic, you know, for"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "uh for this podcast, I'm glad to know"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "that in the event where I needed to do"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "signal analysis, it could come in handy."}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "And if you need a signals analyst, I'm"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "here. All right. Well, hired. Definitely"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "hired. Um John, I'd like to maybe for"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "the audience at home, just if you could"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "give me the brief sort of pitch of what"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "you did at the CIA. um what your job was"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "and how you got interested in the"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "UFO/UAP"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "phenomenon. Uh within that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "context, I was a uh electronic"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "intelligence analyst uh elint"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "el. And that's one of the branches of"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "signal intelligence or sigant. And this"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "branch of sigant deals with radar"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "signals uh signals coming from missile"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "seekers. uh signals associated with"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "weapon systems. So the purpose was to"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "collect and analyze these signals,"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "process the signals and then to be able"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "to determine the capabilities of a"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "weapon system just based on the signals."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "So in that sense we were reverse"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "engineering the weapon system just based"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "on the capabilities of that system to be"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "able to detect, track and engage"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "targets. target being if it's an"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "adversary adversary system, it will be"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "our planes for example. And so that's"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "very valuable in the determination of"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "what kind of counter measures we need to"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "deploy in order to defeat an adversar's"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "ability to detect our aircraft and to"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "keep our aircraft safe. So that was just"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "a um in a short uh description, that's"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "what I did. Wow. Now, as to how I got"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "involved with UFO UAP topic, um the el"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "uh discipline has very little to do with"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "UAPs, UFOs. However, the systems that I"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "was assigned"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "uh did detect an anomalous uh signatures"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "when they were tracking ballistic"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "missiles of their own manufacturer. Uh"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "they were accompanied by uh strange"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "lights uh strange objects. Tagalongs."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Tagalongs. Right. And they were called"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "uh the domes of light phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "by FTD back in the day. And so when the"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Soviet Union would launch a ballistic"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "missile test, uh these domes of light"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "would accompany the missile. And uh so"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "that was very similar to uh what"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "occurred with uh for example the Atlas"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "launch that uh Bob Jacobs talked about."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "Hair's going up on the back of my neck"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "right now. Thinking about it, just"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "remembering that day, I saw something"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "that was so strange that it changed my"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "life. In November of 1964, Jacobs was"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "assigned to film a Vandenberg missile"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "launch using a brand new"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "state-of-the-art telescope developed at"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "Boston University."}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "Something flew into the frame. What I"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "saw was a circular object was a classic"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "flying saucer and it shot a beam of"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "something or a warhead. You have to"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "imagine this thing is flying along at"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "several thousand miles an hour. This"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "stuff is flying along and something"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "comes into the frame and chasing it. The"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "flight was disrupted and uh parts of the"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "missile was destroyed. So it's similar"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "to what we saw in the Soviet Union. And"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "so uh I was assigned a particular radar"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "in the Soviet Union that was very unique"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "to the Soviet Union and we found out"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "that the purpose of the radar was"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "atmospheric anomalous research."}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "So the waveforms were completely"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "different from any other Soviet uh air"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "defense system or ballistic missile"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "defense system. And that you mean that"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "they were made to detect? They weren't"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "made to detect anything that was"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "standard, the wave system that you're"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "that you're referring to. Uh, no,"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "because there were other radars on that"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "test range that were more like what they"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "deployed, right? This system was never"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "deployed operationally other than at"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "this location. Wow. And so this radar uh"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "to this day is still operational. And it"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "did uh was it was ignored um primarily"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "after the Soviet Union fell. Um less and"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "less testing was done and uh it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "really used that much until about 2016."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "I understand that uh President Putin uh"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "ordered that this radar system be"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "completely renovated, refurbished, and"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "brought back online. Wow. And I believe"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "it is back online based on the overhead"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "photography I was able to see uh of this"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "particular radar system on Google Earth."}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "Wow, that's very interesting. So I mean"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "being in that position, you had a job"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "that allowed you uh access to an immense"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "repertoire of of intel. I mean that was"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "part of your job was collecting"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "intelligence. That's what the CIA does"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "best."}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "When you're in a position like that,"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "do you sometimes come across things that"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "even surprise you?"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "Um, certainly. Um,"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "that's the thing that an intelligence"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "analyst has to do. It's part of the"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "trade craft is not get trapped into the"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "same old ways of thinking. Uh, we have"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "to employ critical thinking. And every"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "time I looked at a radar signal, I have"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "to dismiss what I've seen before because"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "I'm going to see something new. And it's"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "particularly the radar systems we were"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "looking at um were in development and"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "constantly improved. And so every time"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "there was a missile launch, I would look"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "for those changes, detect the changes in"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "the waveforms and then by detecting"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "those changes and processing the"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "waveforms, we could then determine if"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "there is a new capability coming online"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "for that particular radar system. So in"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "that sense, yes, we had to um employ"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "critical thinking and not get trapped"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "into the same ways of thinking about"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "that particular system. Otherwise, you"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "might miss it. You might dismiss it."}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "Yeah. So, you guys, we had we had chats"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "about this like prior to the podcast,"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "which is interesting, but like magicians"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "have a lot to do with understanding"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "behavioral sciences and in that we have"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "to use those uh normal behaviors, so to"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "speak, in our favor to create a sort of"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "outcome. And that's not unlike a lot of"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "the work that you guys did as well. You"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "guys had to take information that, like"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "you said, you couldn't treat it like"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "normal information. You had to extract"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "from it what you could find useful and"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "then somehow use that to your advantage."}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "Is that would that be fair to say?"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "That's very accurate. Yes,"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "that makes uh that makes you guys"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "magicians or it makes me a spy. I'm not"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "sure which one. Maybe a little both."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "Maybe a little of both. Um, so during"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "your time there, I mean, obviously"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "you're you're obviously looking at a lot"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "of anomalous activity and anomalous not"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "in the sense that it's necessarily"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "extraterrestrial, but that it's new to"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "you. But was there a point where you"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "encountered something you thought to be"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "extraterrestrial?"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "Um, yes. uh was talking about this"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "particular radar and"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "this radar will come up and will start"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "transmitting signals prior to the"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "launch. So we can detect that and we"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "know that the launch is being prepared"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "because uh in order to fire a ballistic"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "missile, you know, you have to put it on"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "the launch pad and you have to do things"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "to the missile um and to prepare it for"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "launch. And so we have telemetry signals"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "being tested before the launch. So we"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "knew that something was up. And in the"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "meantime, the radar was warming up, so"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "to speak, uh going through uh a series"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "of waveform modes of operation, getting"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "it ready. And then the launch would"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "happen. We would detect that uh back"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "then through the defense support"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "program, the DSP satellites that detect"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "uh infrared signatures of a launch. And"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "by comparing the DSP signatures,"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "telemetry signatures um and the radar"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "signals itself, uh we can primarily uh"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "pretty much reverse engineer the the"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "flight path. We knew we knew exactly um"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "how high the missile would go and we"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "knew how far it would go and we kind of"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "knew the impact point and meanwhile the"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "radar is operating. Um and then after"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "the entire uh launch would be finished"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "that is the missile impacted as planned"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "the radar would gradually shut down and"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "it will go through the same kind of"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "pacing of shutting it down. So it might"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "do a few uh waveform modes to in prepare"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "to shut shut down. So we can detect"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "that. But occasionally the radar would"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "pick up something else and it would"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "start tracking nothing that we could"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "determine that there was something up"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "there that was of interest to the"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "Soviets up in the up in their space and"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "they would start tracking objects that"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "we could not determine what they were."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "Well, they were going through the same"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "um iteration of waveforms as if there"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "was a real object there. Whoa. Uh so"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "that was our indication that you know"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "this there's something up there that the"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "interest the Russians there something up"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "there to peique their interest enough"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "that they will continue operating the"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "radar and they probably themselves are"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "wondering what's up there. Wow, that's"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "so interesting that you guys were"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "observing them observing something,"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "right? Well, right. And so that's when"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "FDD started analyzing, you know, what"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "could possibly be and that's when they"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "came up with the domes of light that"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "they were actually like uh liked"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "signatures, the orbs we would call orbs"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "today, but then there were domes of"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "light. That was the phrase that actually"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "if you look up old FTD documents they"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "would refer to it as the domes of light."}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "Wow. So wow. That's when we determined"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "that yeah there was something up there"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "that of interest anomalous to the"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "Soviets"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "and that they were studying this as"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "well. And later we did found out that"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "there actually were something there were"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "domes of light up there that we will"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "call orbs. What what got what gave you"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "that confirmation? Well, first of all,"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "uh we were able to actually see these"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "orbs visually um not as a photograph,"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "right? But as measures of of intensity"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "or radiance. Oh, actual actual like"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "light signatures. Yes. Um so at the"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "beginning uh the detection system wasn't"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "capable of imaging anything like the way"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "we would think that we can see through"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "an IR camera or something like that but"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "they would detect radians and it was"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "measured uh as watts to radian meter"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "squared and basically this just a number"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "but it would detect a series of these"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "numbers and we can determine where the"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "intensity was. So you have time on one"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "scale and intensity on the other scale."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "And so all of a sudden the intensity"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "ramped up. There was something there"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "highly intense and then would ramp back"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "down and maybe there's another object of"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "intensity and ramp back down. Uh later"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "we had the capabilities uh capability of"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "actually imaging uh what these were and"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "that's when we start detecting orbs."}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "Wow. And uh as many witnesses of these"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "orbs would tell you, what we detected"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "through these systems"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "was an object that uh invisible light"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "600 nanome was the wavelength and that"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "600 nanometers corresponds to the orange"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "color in the visual range and we also"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "got uh scientific information as well as"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "to the radiance and other"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "characteristics of these objects."}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "Wow. Yeah. And that adds up with I mean"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "a numerous amount of cases and and um"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "experiences with craft. You know the"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "orange light were from from Travis"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "Walton to Bob Lazar to Chris Bledsoe to"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "so many others. And so what you were"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "observing was yeah the early UFOs so to"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "speak. Right. And what surprised us"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "though is that um we were aware of"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "structured craft. I'm pretty certain we"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "were aware of structured that is"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "something with a hard surface and by by"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "by you were aware of what do you mean by"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "that? That means there were previous"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "collections of structured craft. I see."}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "And of course there was a whole uh body"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "of collection from photographs by"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "civilians and other sources in the"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "government where they actually saw"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "structured craft. collections of these"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "photographs like McMinnville, a few of"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "those early 50s and 60s like hatshaped"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "ones and and all of those you're"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "referring to. Those um detections"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "occurred long after Project Blue Book"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "stopped ostensibly stopped because CIA"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "never stopped its own project to"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "investigate UFOs. Contrary to what the"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "CIA may publicly say, there was always"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "an interest in that. Um, so throughout"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "the course of studying these structured"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "craft, we had a pretty good idea of what"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "was up there in terms of something that"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "was aerodynamic. For example, something"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "that could fly in our atmosphere."}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "However, these orbs were not structured."}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "They were energy, light energy, and yet"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "they behaved as if they were structured."}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "that is they flew in a certain type of"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "trajectory, a certain velocity and they"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "maneuvered."}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "So we knew that there weren't"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "satellites. So satellites though they"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "are capable of station keeping there's"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "enough fuel on board to adjust its orbit"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "so that the orbit won't decay and they"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "can maneuver a little bit but they're"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "not going to make these 90\u00b0 turns, you"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "know, and shoot straight up or anything"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "like that. Uh they won't exhibit those"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "uh five observables. Yeah, a satellite"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "won't do that. No, but these craft did."}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "And unlike um something solid like tic"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "tac, you know, these light orbs were"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "doing the same thing. Wow. So that's"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "what piqued CIA's interest. What are"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "these orbs?"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "And as we progressed in our ability to"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "detect these objects because we made"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "advances in our constellations"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "uh that we have uh up in space, we were"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "better able to actually determine the"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "characteristics of these orbs."}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "And so that led to um what I call the"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "orb working group. Now that's not the"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "official name of the working group. It"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "had a official name which I don't know"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "cuz I refused to be read into it"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "purposely. I didn't want to know. I knew"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "enough so that if I knew more than I"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "knew at that time, I wouldn't be"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "speaking with you right now. That's"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "right. I would not be talking. As soon"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "as you're right into it, you can't talk"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "about it. I can't talk about it. But"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "because I knew about it and I had enough"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "information, credible information"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "because I sent two of my engineers to"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "this working group. I got enough"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "information as to what they were looking"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "at. And so it was these orange orbs. And"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "so I got a briefing on these orbs at a"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "very lower classification level, not top"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "top secret, but much lower. And it was"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "still classified. But that's why I"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "included in my very few first view"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "graphs or I say view graphs that dates"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "me my PowerPoint presentations my"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "PowerPoint slides I included the"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "existence of the orb working group as"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "this is the way we would study orbs and"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "the way I describe it was the way"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "actually it happened and so I submitted"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "to CIA for their review and they came"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "back unredacted saying yeah you can talk"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "about this in public so that's why you"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "know that there was an orb working"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "group. Wow. And that started around 2003"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "2004. Do you think that that orb working"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "group are of the same people that"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "studied Chris Bledso's case? I don't"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "have that direct information. I do I"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "don't know. Would you assume that? Uh I"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "think that's a safe assumption. Let's"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "put it that way. Uhhuh. Uh but this orb"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "working group uh included members of the"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "entire intelligence community. So"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "outside of the CIA, outside of CIA, NGA"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "was the lead because it was in on uh it"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "the orbs were found on NGA data since"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "they owned the data. Uh they were the"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "lead and then we participated with NGA,"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "DIA, NRA, everybody. Yeah. Along with"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "our contractors, right? And they met in"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "St. Louis, Missouri, which is uh NGA"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "uh NGA West. So there's two"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "headquarters. One is NGA East back in"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "the Washington DC area and they're in"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "Springfield, Virginia, and the other is"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "NGA West, which is in St. Louis,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "Missouri. So, they all gathered in St."}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "Louis, Missouri, and then went to other"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "places as the working group progressed."}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "That's very interesting. It's really"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "interesting to know that like even for"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "an agency like the CIA,"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "the nuts and bolts stuff, they're like,"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "\"No, we understand that. We have that.\""}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "Yes. This stuff is anomalous. And it"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "often makes me wonder if there if"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "there's a if there's some type of"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "extraterrestrial being out there that"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "also experiences UAP, you know, an"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "unidentified anomalous phenomenon that"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "they see and they're like, \"We can't"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "explain that either.\" So, one wonders,"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "one wonders. And I know that uh we have"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "something um I would say this much. Uh"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "one of my engineers, uh I'll use his"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "first name. I'll just use first names."}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "These are actual first names. His first"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "name was Bob. U Virginia Tech graduate"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "had a masters in electrical engineering."}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "One of my uh primary engineers who"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "worked in my branch and um he received a"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "lot of materials. They I had two"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "engineers, Allan A Len, Allan and Bob."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "So these two guys uh were sent to the"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "orb working group. They got briefed into"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "a compartment dealing with everything"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "CIA knew about UFOs. Whoa. At the time."}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "Whoa. So they got read into that. Um and"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "so they asked me You sent them there."}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "Yes, I was asked to send them there. You"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "were asked to send them there. Yes."}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "Because there was a lead uh subject"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "matter expert in our parent office who"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "was leading CIA's effort. And so he"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "reached out back into the agency and see"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "who the other subject matter experts"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "might be. And the way we got involved"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "with this prior to the working group was"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "that we were looking at the possibility"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "of it being the orbs being some kind of"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "so a Russian technology. Right. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "Russian countermeasures, ballistic"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "missile countermeasures or uh we knew"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "that the Russians had something called"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "stealth plasma stealth, right? And these"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "are like actual external pods that they"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "can hang on the hard points of certain"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "aircraft to create a plasma field in"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "order to do what stealth does is to"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "disrupt the uh fire control solution to"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "shoot that aircraft down. Mhm. And so"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "that's what stealth does. You don't want"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "to be shot down. So you want to either"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "uh delay that fire control solution or"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "disrupt it so that the aircraft stays"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "intact and safe do its mission. So we"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "knew that they had these types of"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "devices and we we ruled that out. It"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "couldn't have been plasma stealth. First"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "of all what we detected was out in"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "space. Oh. And so these aircraft they"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "don't fly in space."}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "Most days I'm neck deep in files,"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "interviews, and"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "whatever that thing was. But not today."}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "Today's quiet. And on these quiet days,"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "I like to feel good, which is why I shop"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "Huckberry. Not to mention, they partner"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "with all sorts of in-house brands as a"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "curator of things that I would actually"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "wear and use. It just makes everything"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "easier. I know whatever I pick is going"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "to look good, feel good, and last. I"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "just don't have to overthink it. It's"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "already my style."}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "They're the one-stop men's shop for"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "highquality apparel, footwear, gear, and"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "content. A lifestyle and outdoor"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "retailer, sure, but mostly they just get"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "it right."}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "And on days like today,"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "some mysteries can wait. Click the link"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "in my description to shop Huckberry."}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "And even the MiG 31, um, it it went up"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "to 123,000 ft before it ran out of air"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "and had to come back down. So, it was"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "just a test flight just to see how high"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "it would go. I have no idea what the"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "condition of the pilot was, but they"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "went up to 123,000 ft. has the altitude"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "record for an air breathing craft to"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "this day and had to come back down. This"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "is a Mig 31 Foxhound. So, we knew it"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "wasn't that. Uh we looked at uh another"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "aircraft uh called the uh Sukoy SU34"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "fullback. It wasn't that. Um and so we"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "ruled out any kind of air breathing"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "aircraft that would have plasma stealth"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "on it. So, we knew it wasn't that. And"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "it was also moving an like uh it it was"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "moving intelligently. It was moving"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "intelligently. An aircraft can move"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "intelligently because it's piloted. But"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "but anomalous anomalously like it was"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "not at that altitude. Right. And it was"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "performing maneuvers that Exactly. I"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "mean it would tear the aircraft apart,"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "right? Uh so we ruled that out and so"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "what's left over um that's what they"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "were looking at. What could this be?"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "Mhm. Now, in the course of their study,"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "they asked me for a safe. So, I got them"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "a standard governmentissued safe. They"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "come in two beautiful colors. I call it"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "bureaucratic black."}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "And uh that's their one of the uh"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "colors. Really? Yeah. And uh so I got"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "him a black safe. That's it's a great"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "it's a great uh clothing line. Uh"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "that comes in bureaucratic black. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "Um and you get you can get a gray one."}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "government gray and bureaucrat black."}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "Government gray, you know, and you look"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "up at the GSA catalog and you'll see"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "these General Services Administration"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "provides furniture for the government,"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "the entire government. You'll see these"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "safes and has a combination lock and"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "several drawers and everything. So, I"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "got them a safe and they started getting"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "materials from this working group,"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "compartmented materials on the UFO"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "program. They had to go in the safe."}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "Now, one of my engineers when I was"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "going with this, Bob, one of my"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "engineers was looking at one of the"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "manuals. It was that thick. And he left"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "that on his desk face front just as you"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "have this folder here. And I was able to"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "read the title."}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "And it the title was UFO propulsion"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "systems. Whoa. Manual of operations."}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "So, if you have a UFO propulsion system,"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "manual of operations, that tells me that"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "somebody reverse engineered some craft"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "and it's that thick. And it's that"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "thick. All right. So,"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "I have that piece of data. So, what"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "happened to that? What did Well, uh, I"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "looked at the title. Bob had his back"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "turned. He turned around, saw me looking"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "at the title, immediately grabbed that,"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "placed it front cover down so I couldn't"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "read the cover. Sorry about that, boss."}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "And, and then immediately put it back in"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "the safe and locked it up. Oh my gosh."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "So I know that they were briefed into"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "something that we already reverse"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "engineered. Whoa. So that lends lends"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "credence to a lot of witnesses saying,"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "\"Yes, we have reverse engineered craft.\""}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "So I can say based on that manual, and"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "these weren't like uh defense"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "intelligence reference documents were"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "just like a dozen pages like white"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "papers. Yeah. No, this was a manual."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "Whoa. Somebody worked on that manual and"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "uh it looked dated in a sense that it"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "looked like not nothing current. Looked"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "like it was like decades old. 50s60s."}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "Well, I would say maybe not 50s. Okay."}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "But maybe 70s, 80s. Sure. About about"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "that time frame. What color was the uh"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "was the book? Uh it was"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "almost that color what you have there."}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "It was like a like DIA drab. There's"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "another good one. DIA draft. It's It's"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "like DIA published a lot of manuals that"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "are very thick. Mhm. And they come in"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "different colors. I don't know if the"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "colors mean anything. Yeah. Um but the"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "point being that it was a manual, not a"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "white paper, not a not a um talking"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "points or anything like that. Yeah. It"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "was a manual. Somebody did some actual"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "work on a UFO propulsion system to the"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "point that they were able to write a"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "manual of operation for it. That's"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "incredible and seems like an incredible"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "oversight on Bob's behalf to just leave"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "that lying around. Yes. And had I looked"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "into it, had I opened it, Uhhuh. I would"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "be charged with a security violation."}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "Right. Cuz Bob would have to he's he"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "would have to report me. But seeing the"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "title was okay. um inadvertent, right?"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "Inadvertent. And then he took measures"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "to to secure the I see document. He"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "would have been reprimanded anyways as"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "well, obviously. That is uh that's"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "crazy. Is there is there a part of you"}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "that regrets not being read into that"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "like for your own sort of knowing? Not"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "at all. Because um you have a building a"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "CIA headquarters in our many many"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "outuildings. We're not just at CIA"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "headquarters. There are several"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "buildings in Northern Virginia that"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "constitute CIA. Um,"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "not at all because"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "I would say that being read into it um"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "would have prevented me from speaking"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "out, but we are an intelligence agency"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "and you have intelligence analysts and"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "collectors"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "working there. And what we do best is"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "collect intelligence. So, you can be in"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "the building, not read into something,"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "and be able to discern what's going on"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "if you're very clever about it. There's"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "enough"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "uh water cooler cafeteria talk that you"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "pick up on things. Wow. So, I didn't"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "need to be read into it. I knew enough"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "based on my earlier career of working"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "with these domes of light phenomenon um"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "and working with that particular radar."}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "um actually met a woman who is uh an"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "operations officer and she complained to"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "me, I got sent up to this mountain and"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "they told me to look for these domes of"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "light and I apologized to her and said,"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "\"Yeah, that was us.\" Yeah, we needed"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "collection uh a human collection um"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "using one of our operations officers to"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "go up a mountain, set up and look for"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "these domes of light. We also had a"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "collection system we built. Was that"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "successful? I'm not sure because she"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "didn't tell me whether she found"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "anything or not. Oh, wow. So, you were"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "able to send her out, but you weren't"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "able to find out whether she saw I met"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "her um not as a planned meeting, but we"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "were taking the same course and the"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "course had nothing to do with UAPs or"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "anything. Huh. But she was in the same"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "course and um so she can play, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "the craziest thing I ever did in my CIA"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "career so far, and she was a a younger"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "woman uh was they sent me up in a"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "mountain. I was looking for these domes"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "of light. I don't know what that was."}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "And I explained to her, \"Oh yeah, it's"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "about these anomalous objects that we"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "detected over the Soviet Union. That's"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "why you were sent out there.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "apologized to her. Sorry. Wow. She said"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "that was a pretty pretty rough um kind"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "of mission for her to go on. Wow. So"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "strange. So yeah, so to answer your"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "question, I had enough information a a"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "priority to know that there was"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "something going on. Had enough uh"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "ability to um collect other data."}, {"end": "00:34:32", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "example, um, Russian early warning, uh,"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "ballistic missile early warning system"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:32", "text": "detected these these orbs and they"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "thought that it was US sneak attack and"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "so they brought up their alert level and"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "when they bring up their alert level, we"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "can detect the fact that they brought up"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "their alert level and you have these"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "missiles uh, that were needed to be"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "preped and so there are certain"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "indications that we are able to detect a"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "launch might be occurring. Yeah, it's"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "hard to hide the signature of a major"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "retaliatory strike, right? So, they were"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "prepping. They didn't go all the way up"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "to Defcon, their version of Defcon to"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "actually start launching, but we were"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "able to detect that. And so, because we"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "were able to detect it, uh, Washington"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "called Moscow and saying, \"What the"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "hell's going on with you guys?\" So, what"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "the hell is going on with you guys? What"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "are these things? And we don't know what"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "they are. So, you know, there's there's"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "a ability at the National Military"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "Command Center in the Pentagon. Yeah. To"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "communicate with their counterparts"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "because there is there is a treaty sort"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "of like an agreement in regards to"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "nuclear arms. Well, start treaty that"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "exactly that if there is any detected"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "anomalous or unidentified objects as"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "it's put in the treaty that they tell"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "each other about it instead of"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "retaliating immediately. Exactly. So,"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "that mechanism worked. Mhm. at that"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "point and they were able to lower their"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "alert level. But then comes the"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "question, what were those things that we"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "detected that the Russians detected?"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "Right. Right. And so that's when I wrote"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "the memo to uh at that time he served as"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "the deputy secretary of defense, John"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "Deutsch. Mhm. And so I wrote him a memo"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "because his briefer was asked by him,"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "we want to know what happened in this"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "particular incident. So it came to my"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "branch which looked at the"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "anti-bballistic missile systems, the"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "ballistic missile defense systems in"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "Russia. So it landed on my desk and I"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "wrote up the memo for uh Deputy"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "Secretary of Defense John Deutsch and um"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "we're going to give we were going to"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "give it to the briefer, but I think we"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "actually delivered it in person. I see."}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "My colleague and I um we delivered it in"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "person to the Pentagon, so they're aware"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "of it. Mhm. Um that's I mean that's"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "really fascinating and it seems you know"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "it doesn't it it doesn't surprise me at"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "all like when you hear about all all"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "this stuff you know as much as I want it"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "to surprise me I'm like yeah it's"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "obviously you know obviously if you guys"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "have the capability with all of the"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "intel collection devices that you have"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "whether it's satellite or whether it's"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "human intel or whether it's you know"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "remote viewing or whatever it is you're"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "going to see something eventually right"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "um this brings me to something that"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "happened to you in 2001 one. Yes. I want"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "to talk about this because this to me is"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "one of the most fascinating little tales"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "that I've ever heard in that you were"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "invited by, let me get this straight"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "here just to make sure I got my ducks in"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "a row. Um, you encountered an officer"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "within the office of the chief"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "scientists in the director of science"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "and technology"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "and that he told you about a symposium"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "that was being held that you should"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "attend. Mhm. And this symposium, if I'm"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "not mistaken, was uh at BDM. No. No."}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "Where? Uh this was at a hotel. Oh, this"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "was at a hotel. Yep. It's uh it's in"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "Tyson's Corner, Virginia. Oh, and um"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "Wait. Okay. So, this is separate from"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "the other meeting. I see that. That was"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "a separate meeting. That was separate."}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "Okay. Well, we we'll get to that one."}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "But this one at the hotel, is that"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "something standard that happens like"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "these briefings in these hotels, these"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "symposiums? is that hotels seem to be"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "the place to discuss this stuff. I don't"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "know why. Um I know Lulu Lzando has"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "stated that you know he met people at a"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "hotel. Mhm. Yep. Uh I think it was the"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "Marriott Gateway in Rosland, Virginia."}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "He mentions that one and other hotels. I"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "I don't know what it is about hotels and"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "tele community, but we like going to"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "hotels. Okay. I don't know why, but uh"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "this was an unclassified uh one day"}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "symposium. I had no idea what the topic"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "was. the officer from the office of"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "chief scientist. I use first names. His"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "first name was Tom."}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "Uh I might use the last initials because"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "we usually refer to ourselves as like"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "I'm known as John R and the CIA. We use"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "first name and last initial. Tom K."}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "Okay. Out there Tom. Hi. But you know,"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "Tom K invited me. And uh I had no idea"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "what it was about, but he knew I was"}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "interested. And how did he know? because"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "I had a plush toy of a a green bendable"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "plush toy I set up on my old-fashioned,"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "you know, CRT Dell monitor. Uhhuh. And"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "it was a gray alien, but it was colored"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "green. It was It's just a toy, right?"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "So, he knew he was interested in that."}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "And um so he invited me said, \"You might"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "want to show up this one.\" Was Was he"}, {"end": "00:39:31", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "interested in this stuff? I don't know."}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "We I never really followed up with him"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "to see what his interest was. Okay. Um"}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "but he knew I was interested and so um"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "he ran something called the posttock"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "program at CIA where we we sponsored um"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "post-doal studies of these PhDs"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "and they were invited as well. It wasn't"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "the invisible college or anything. These"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "are just uh PhDs that CIA sponsored for"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "their PhDs and then they're following"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "through. Yeah. Possibly later to offer"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "them jobs. Yeah. Recruits. And that's a"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "good way to think about it. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "Recruits even like I mean you hear about"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "this and I don't want to use the term"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "grooming but it's like you hear about a"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "lot of this as well in the intelligence"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "community that they vet a lot of uh"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "young people um early on that show a"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "significant talent. Um Harold Malgren"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "being you know um comes to mind because"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "that seemed like that was his process as"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "well. So that's nothing new. So go to"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "the hotel"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "um up to this um ballroom. I guess you"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "would call it a conference room in this"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "hotel in Tyson's Corner and um there"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "were no security officers there look for"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "no and I just wrapped my badge up and"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "put it in my pocket because I didn't"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "need a badge to attend and I sat myself"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "down and there was an agenda being"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "passed out and a signup sheet and I"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "signed my name uh full true full name uh"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "my phone number at CIA and where I"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "worked at CIA all that it was in there."}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "looked at the other names and there were"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "like people from universities because"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "they had.edu as their email address. I"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "see. And their full names. I then"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "noticed that other than Tom K, it was"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "another officer I knew, Jim L. Jim L is"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "significant in that he chaired the"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "scientific and technical intelligence"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "committee, one of the major committees"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "in the uh back when the DCI ran the"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "intelligence community. So, this is a"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "major committee. Um, and he was there as"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "well and I I know him from my own parent"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "office. Um, he was there and I don't"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "know I didn't recognize anyone else. Um,"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "but"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "uh I can use his full name, John"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "Phillips. He's he's out in public as a"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "former uh chief of the office of chief"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "scientists. In fact, he was the very"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "first office of the chief scientist"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "head. Wow. uh before that office was"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "named something else and he was present"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "as well. He was present and he"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "introduced"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "another gentleman that I knew uh Gerald"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "K. Haynes."}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "Now Gerald Haynes is C was CIA's"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "historian. He was also in a row"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "historian. He was the run that wrote uh"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "the paper about CIA UFO interest from"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "1947 to 1990. Wow. It's out there now. I"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "there's two versions of that. One is a"}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "public version, one is a classified"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "version. I got the classified version"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "and um so he was there and he was the"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "one presenting. So he's the one that"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "presented on what CIA did with UFOs"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "going back to 1947. But this is an"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "unclassified setting. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "at at what point did you think that the"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "information that was being"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "um talked about"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "should be classified or unclassified?"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "Because I'm I'm I'm going to let you"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "continue the story because this gets"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "really really bizarre and it gets quite"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "um disturbing a little bit even of I'm"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "just really surprised to hear the amount"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "of people that are there that had"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "credentials like this was it feels like"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "this was of some importance at least to"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "people in positions of, you know, uh,"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "seemingly importance. You would think"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "so. Yes. And I don't know why I was"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "there because compared to these other"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "gentlemen, I was not that important."}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "Mhm. Um, but I was invited and I"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "attended and so um, the paper that uh,"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "General Haynes wrote was approved by CIA"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "because it was released and that's why"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "you have it now. You can search for it."}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "Do a Google search for it and you you'll"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "find it. So that that uncclassified"}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "version is released. So he was talking"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "about that and he said something very"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "interesting. He said a lot he said that"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "when we were testing the U2 and A12 they"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "were silver"}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "and they only operated in broad"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "daylight. Why was not were they painted"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "black and why not at night to hide them?"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "Simple explanation. The cameras back in"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "those days didn't have night vision."}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "Mhm. So, you know, they needed daylight"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "to photograph anything on the ground."}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "And that's how they tested the cameras"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "and the systems um in broad daylight."}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "And they're silver. You can see them."}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "You can track them. Easier to track. But"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "these are airplanes. These are Yeah."}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "advanced airplanes. U2 for 1955. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "U2 was very advanced. A12 definitely"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "looks very advanced. And that first A12"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "um came on boarded uh 1962."}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "And so broad daylight and people would"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "see these objects up in the sky. They"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "were flying at 70,000 for the U2 and"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "like over around about 85,000 for the"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "A12."}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "And there was these silver streaks up in"}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "the sky. Um, people were reporting UFOs"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "and when people reported UFOs to the"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "local authorities or to a radio station"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "or TV station or whatever you what have"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "you, newspapers, uh, that piqued our"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "interest. We wanted to know what they"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "were seeing. Mhm. What did you see?"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "Describe what you see. Um because we"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "don't know we wanted to know what these"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "craft would look like to an observer"}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "knowing nothing about the program to"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "develop these aircraft. What are they"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "perceiving from the ground looking up?"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "Sure. And so we got those reports. Now"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "that started the men in black legend"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "when we were visiting the CIA officers"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "uh some of them uh showed had air force"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "credentials."}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "Mhm. And they were presenting themselves"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "as air force even though they were CIA."}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "This was what years? This was the ' 60s."}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "Yeah. This is like um starting from the"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "very first uh in in the 50s late 50s."}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "Yeah. Because Rex Chaplan as well is was"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "you know visited um by gentlemen as"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "well. So like I mean you you would"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "assume the same department that visited"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "people for explainable aerial phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "would also be sent out when"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "UFOs were spotted. It would be the same"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "people. I would I would imagine so I"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "would imagine they would have a um"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "professional background"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "um in the entire topic because they were"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "reporting UFOs. So obviously people who"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "actually know about UFOs would find out"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "you know what did you see? Mhm. Um so"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "they were reporting these um aircraft as"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "UFOs. Now unlike the Air Force which"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "encourages you to believe they're UFOs,"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "CIA did not they did not dissuade their"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "belief that they were UFOs"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "and they would"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "act like muon investigators in the sense"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "that they would take in the data, right?"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "We just want to know what you saw. We're"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "going to take in the data. Thank you"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "very much. Yeah. Thank you for your"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "patriotism and reporting this to the"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "government so forth and so on, right?"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "Yeah. But we didn't you didn't give them"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "a cover story. Did not give them a cover"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "story. We just wanted to know what you"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "saw. If they saw a UFO, fine. Yep. But"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "they did. The CIA did not deliberately"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "tell people you saw a UFO, right? Or"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "don't say anything. Don't say no. Okay."}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "We just want the information. Um, so"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "that occurred uh throughout the 50s uh"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "during the YouTube program and through"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "the 60s up to 64 when we actually"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "deployed the A12 operationally, mid60s I"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "would say. Um, so that and that's what"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "the seminar was about up until then. Up"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "until then. Yeah. And so yeah, he said"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "but one in 10"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "Gerald K. Hayne said one in 10 were"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "UFOs."}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "We have case files of real UFOs that one"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "in 10 sightings Mhm. were actual UFOs."}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "That's a high number. That's 10%. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "Yeah. Um and so"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "going back and thinking about wow, you"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "know, the CIA knew that there was"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "something up there that were real UFOs."}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "And this is like more of the public side"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "of CIA that that it's still classified"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "side of CIA but not the program side."}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "Sure. Of CIA, right? Yeah. It's not"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "deep. It's not deep. It's just"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "interesting information that you you saw"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "a UFO and that 10% of them couldn't be"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "explained. Yeah. Um so the second part"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "of that discussion was about"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "beings"}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "that there were aliens. there were"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "actual aliens and that"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "um they were able to collect DNA from"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "aliens and that's when they discovered"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "and this didn't happen in 47 happened"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "later probably they had tissue samples"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "or whatever that they've stored and they"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "were able to recover DNA and when we"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "discovered how to sequence the human"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "genome"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "and we sequenced the alien DNA and And"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "we discovered that, oh, there are"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "markers in there that look very human,"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:09", "text": "human hybrids. H um that what looks like"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "an alien"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "has for some reason has um human genetic"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "markers in their DNA in the genome. And"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "so I found that to be interesting. And"}, {"end": "00:49:30", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "to answer your question, that's when I"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "thought this sounds pretty classified to"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:30", "text": "me. This is coming from a CIA historian."}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "A CIA historian. Yes."}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "Like that comes with some weight behind"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "it. This isn't going to a UFO conference"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "and and you know somebody like me going"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "up there and talking about hybrids. This"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "is an official CIA historian with"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "background, with checked credentials,"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "with clearances,"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "telling a group of other individuals"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "from universities, from different"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "departments in the in the defense uh"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "intelligence agencies about"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "hybridization programs, right? And I I"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "would say this uh I would preface that"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "with like I don't think there were other"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "members of the intelligence community"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "there. I think there were only CIA"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "officers and these postoc gotcha folks"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "uh that we sponsored. Do you do you"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "think now we're going to go more into"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "this uh hybrid thing because I want to"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "hear what they had to say about that? I"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "think it's very fascinating, but do you"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "think at any point before we get into"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "this that you might have been led into"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "some weird honey trap situation where"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "they give you passage material? Do you"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "think that that because I know a lot of"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "the audience is going to be like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "maybe this is a whole setup or"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "something.\" Did that ever cross your"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "mind. Did that ever feel never crossed"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "my mind? Never crossed my mind. No."}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "Yeah. It didn't feel like that at all."}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "Mm- Okay. Not at all. Um because when"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "there's passage material, we actually"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "read into the passage material. And my"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "explanation for that is this that I was"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "involved in uh some covert programs"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "and it required me to be overseas uh"}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "undercover with a different name,"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "different complete different biography,"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "complete different history. I was sent"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "overseas with actual documents"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "and I was told that if you're stopped"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "even by um you know customs when you're"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "coming back to the United States or the"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "other customs of the foreign country"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "you're going to that we want you to have"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "a cover story. You have to have a cover"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "legend and you can use these cover"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "legends depending on the circumstance."}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "So I was given the passage material to"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "pass on and also um"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "I would say that because of the nature"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "of that symposium uh I discounted that"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "completely because of who was there."}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "Understood. And and and what was"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "everyone else's reaction to this news?"}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "I was surprised that there was no"}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "reaction. Huh. And I didn't even have a"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "reaction. I just took it all in. I"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "thought to myself, hm, sounds a little"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "classified to me, but I was interested"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "in what General Haynes has to say about"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "the hybridization, alien DNA, CIA's"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "interest in aliens. Okay, let's get into"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "this a little bit more because now now"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "this is becoming very very um very"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "interesting because this this connects"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "with so many other stories of you know,"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "experiencers and everything else. So the"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "CIA is basically"}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "giving this presentation in an"}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "unofficial UNC sorry in in an"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "unclassified capacity about"}, {"end": "00:52:47", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "sequences in the DNA of the Roswell"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "aliens that are connecting human DNA. I"}, {"end": "00:52:52", "start": "00:52:47", "text": "assume they were Roswell aliens. I would"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "say they were they were nonhumans. They"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:52", "text": "were nonhumans. Non-humans. Whether they"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "were collected from um the Roswell crash"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "or other retrievals,"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "I don't know. Okay. But the interest,"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "the key phrase that Gerald Haynes used"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "was"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "since World War II, after World War II,"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "we were interested"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "in alien DNA, particularly found in"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "humans."}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "At that time, I didn't know anything"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "about magenta. had no knowledge of"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "magenta of that craft and that retrieval"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "had no knowledge that we may have had"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "craft itself with as David Gush would"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "call biologics on board. But he said"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "after World War II so that in hindsight"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "makes sense that okay maybe you know"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "that's where it came from or other"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "retrievalss where there were um beings"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "on board. Yeah, because allegedly the"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "crash in Italy in Magento, which"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "happened in 33, wasn't sent to the"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "United States until Pope Pas agreed to"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "send it in 45. Yeah. 44 4545. 44 45. So"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "that would have been what he was talking"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "about. But didn't and and maybe I'm"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "mistaken here, but I heard and this is"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "uncorroborated evidence or speculative"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "at best, but that the beings on board of"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "the Magenta craft were humanoid looking."}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "They were like tall blondes. Mhm. Uh so"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "I hear was that at all mentioned during"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "the symposium? No. No. Was was the type"}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "of alien mentioned? No. Okay. And in my"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "mind I was thinking of the traditional"}, {"end": "00:54:35", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "what I'll call traditional gray being."}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "That's what I had in my mind."}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:35", "text": "But um no, he didn't mention exactly"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "what kind of being. But what he said"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "about their interest, CIA's interest in"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "these"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "uh in these beings and uh human DNA,"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "yeah, in their genome was what I caught"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "because what he said afterwards rang all"}, {"end": "00:54:58", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "kinds of like, oh, this sounds really"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "classified."}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:54:58", "text": "And that was the CIA had a program"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "to trace this alien DNA in certain"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "families"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "in the United States. And he mentioned a"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "particular region that this research"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "occurred in the northeast"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "United States. He won't go any further"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "than that. that certain families and"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "particularly their children were of"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "interest to CIA."}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "I don't know, I didn't know what to make"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "of it back then, but you start talk"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "talking about the gate program and um"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "subsequent uh studies of children and"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "their capabilities and their abilities"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "to do certain psionic things um that now"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "comes to my mind. since um since that"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "was brought out more recently."}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "So the CIA was interested in potentially"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "tracking the activity of hybrids, human"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "alien hybrids in the United States that"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "and going back in in their lineage as"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "well. In their lineage, right? And going"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "back in their ancestry as well. I don't"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "know how they collected this DNA. Um,"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "you know, we have oversight now, and"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "that oversight started in the mid70s."}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "Congressional oversight."}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "This sounded like it occurred before"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "there was congressional oversight"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "because you couldn't do that today."}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "Yeah. No, it would be illegal. Yes."}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "Completely. Um, so this may have"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "occurred earlier, right? That they were"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "interested and then um when we developed"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "in the '9s, we developed uh the ability"}, {"end": "00:56:48", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "to sequence the human genome completely."}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "uh that may have furthered uh the uh"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:48", "text": "investigation into the alien DNA. Um"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "is has there ever been and feel free to"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "answer this with a one-word answer. Has"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "there ever been a situation that you"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "were in where you've gotten confirmation"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "of"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "government's involvement with human"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "alien hybrids?"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "Yes. Okay."}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "In an in and from a credible source, you"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "can say yes. Okay."}, {"end": "00:57:30", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "So, they know about the hybrids. Yes."}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "Okay. And you and you would I mean gun"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:30", "text": "to your head right now, you would you"}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "would say absolutely. Absolutely. Yes."}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "That's I mean that's something that's uh"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "you know my my mind races to all the"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "different cases that I hear right we"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "hear about so many so many so many"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "people talk about this and so many"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "researchers look into this from Bud"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "Hopkins to David Jacobs to you know John"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "Mack and John Carpenter all these"}, {"end": "00:58:04", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "researchers who've looked into"}, {"end": "00:58:06", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "um abduction phenomena experiencers and"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:04", "text": "the one thing that a lot of people I"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:06", "text": "think find interesting is the"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "interaction with these humanlike Mhm."}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "aliens. Yes. For lack of a better term."}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "00:58:20", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "now"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "is there anything else during that"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "symposium that might have, you know,"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "caught your attention about the human"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "hybrid program?"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "None about that program itself. uh other"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "than the fact of the interest and the"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "further investigation into family"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "lineages that certain families tend to"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "have a propensity for um this"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "hybridization to have occurred"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "um on behalf of the NHI. Let's let's be"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "clear here like this hybridization that"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "we're talking about isn't humans taking"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "No. No. It's it's like"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "maybe in their family's history they"}, {"end": "00:59:06", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "were taken, right? And then their DNA"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "DNA may have been somehow enhanced. I"}, {"end": "00:59:11", "start": "00:59:06", "text": "don't know what word to use. Altered."}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "Altered. Um I'm speculating here. I I"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:11", "text": "admit this is speculation. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "how they do it. I'm not um versed in"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "anything to do with genetics. I'm not a"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "scientist about genetics. I don't know."}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "Um, but it seems to have been um a"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "a history of certain families having"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "certain DNA of interest now to CIA"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "because of the alien connection to that"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "DNA."}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "Do"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "are some of these families aware, do you"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "think? I don't know."}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "Okay."}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "Now, on a perhaps related note, and"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "again, let me know how comfortable you"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "feel about talking about this, but"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "you've had experiences. Yes. Yeah. From"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "a young age. Yes. Um,"}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "if you're willing, would you be willing"}, {"end": "01:00:13", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "to open up a little bit about what those"}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:11", "text": "experience were like and what the what"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:13", "text": "the interactions were like? Sure. Okay."}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "my first I won't say it's an experience"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "in a traditional sense of experiencers"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "with with non-humans, but my first"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "inclination occurred when I was four"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "years old. Um, I saw through a telescope"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "for the first time in my young life and"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "I was fascinated by what I saw, stars,"}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "planets, um, the moon. Um, and I felt"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "like I belonged out there, not here. I"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "had this feeling of longing to go out"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "there because that's that's my home. I"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "don't know why I'm here at a young age."}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "And then um"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "I recalled being taken somewhere and it"}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "seemed like I I don't know if it was a"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "dream or it actually occurred but I was"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "taken repeatedly at least three times"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "that I know of uh to a home"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "and this home was like set in a"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "Victorian kind of setting you know it's"}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "not like a modern home in I would say"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "the late 50s early60s"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "It wasn't the late 50s, early 60s"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "rancher that everyone seemed to have"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "lived in back in that time, but this was"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "a Victorian home in the sense that, you"}, {"end": "01:01:35", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "know, it had the turret on one side and"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "wraparound porch. It looked like"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:35", "text": "something from the 1890s, early 1900s,"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "and I was led by a woman, not my mother,"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "um going through the through the gate."}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "It was fenced through the gate to the"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "house uh on the porch and then she led"}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "me to a room on the leftand side and"}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "there was a doctor's office and so I"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:57", "text": "remember being examined undressed"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "examined by a doctor accompanied by a"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "nurse not the woman who took me but"}, {"end": "01:02:11", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "another nurse and everything around"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "there looked very old like something"}, {"end": "01:02:16", "start": "01:02:11", "text": "from vintage let's say like maybe from"}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "the Victorian era."}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:16", "text": "Um, and I remember"}, {"end": "01:02:25", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "vaguely of being injected by something"}, {"end": "01:02:27", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "that there was a hypodermic needle"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:25", "text": "involved in a syringe"}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:27", "text": "and then being dressed again and being"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "led out of the house again by the same"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "woman who took me and then that memory"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "would like fade. And this memory"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "happened twice"}, {"end": "01:02:43", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "on the first floor and once on the"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "second floor. similar situation. I asked"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:43", "text": "my mother about, you know, did she take"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "me to the doctor and she said, \"No, I"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "never took you to anything like that.\""}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "Um, that was my very first memory. And"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "then other memories I had was being in a"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "um early 1960s department store. They"}, {"end": "01:03:06", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "were called Five and Dimes back then."}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "And it was a a bin of books. And I love"}, {"end": "01:03:11", "start": "01:03:06", "text": "books. So my parents um they wouldn't"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "buy me toys but if I wanted a book I can"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:11", "text": "get a book anytime I want it. So I was"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "thumbming through these books and one"}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "book I opened I recall vividly as I open"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "this book on this page on the lower left"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "hand side there was a drawing of"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "a caveman and a cave woman holding a"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "human baby up. The woman was holding a"}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "human baby up and above that baby was a"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "flying what we would call a flying"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "saucer beaming a light on it. And I"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "received a message saying this is who"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "you are. This is where you came from."}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "And I said, I want this book. So closed"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "the book, put it in a place that I could"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "get it. There's very few people around."}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "And this is just random book there. And"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "I went to get my mother. I want this"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "book. And went to the same book bin."}, {"end": "01:04:12", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "Couldn't find a book. Disappeared where"}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "I laid it. There was no one around to"}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:12", "text": "pick that book up and buy it for"}, {"end": "01:04:18", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "themselves. That was another experience"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "I had of some kind of messaging"}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:18", "text": "occurring. And this wasn't a dream. This"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "was an actual I remember this happening."}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "Um, and then just feeling like I lived"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "before. Mhm. I had past lives before."}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "um at a young age at a young age and"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "then seeing my very first craft and was"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "uh with my cousins"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:41", "text": "uh my uncle uh was in the US Army. He's"}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "a Japanese American and he fought in the"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "442nd"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "combat regiment team. That was the"}, {"end": "01:04:53", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "Japanese American unit that fought in"}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "Italy."}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:53", "text": "um and he was in the army and we lived"}, {"end": "01:05:02", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "uh my sister and I um lived with them as"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "we were waiting for our mother to come"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:02", "text": "from Japan."}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "And this was like 1958"}, {"end": "01:05:14", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "59 playing with uh my two cousins and"}, {"end": "01:05:17", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "our neighbor children there. And I saw"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:14", "text": "off to the right Woods at this Army"}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:17", "text": "base. It's was called Fort Lee at the"}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "time in Petersburg, Virginia. and saw"}, {"end": "01:05:30", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "this silvery craft rise up out of the"}, {"end": "01:05:35", "start": "01:05:26", "text": "out of the trees. Very quiet. I pointed"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:30", "text": "to it, showed my my cousins and pointed"}, {"end": "01:05:39", "start": "01:05:35", "text": "to the neighbor children, \"Look at"}, {"end": "01:05:41", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "there. Look at there.\" You know, I saw"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:39", "text": "it playing and they couldn't see a"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:41", "text": "thing. They couldn't see it. They"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "couldn't see it. It wasn't a derigible"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "or anything like that because no"}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "propulsion. There was no gondola"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "underneath. What was the shape?"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "Like an oval. Yeah. Like an oval. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "Huh. Yeah. And it was just rising slowly"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "and just drift off, but they couldn't"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "see it. And I saw as plain as can be"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "that it's an actual object. They"}, {"end": "01:06:09", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "couldn't see it. That was my first craft"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "sighting. The structured craft. How old"}, {"end": "01:06:15", "start": "01:06:09", "text": "were you then? I was five. Five years"}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "old."}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:15", "text": "Wow. And you remember that? Vividly."}, {"end": "01:06:22", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "Vividly. Vividly remember that. Now the"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:22", "text": "the examination that they described the"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "medical examination that occurred when I"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "was around six. Mhm. And the past life"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "experiences were around seven. Okay."}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "And uh after that past life experience"}, {"end": "01:06:44", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "at 7, I started getting feelings of like"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:41", "text": "I kind of knew where my my future life"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:44", "text": "would be like."}, {"end": "01:06:52", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "Hm. You know, I I had an interest in in"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "being in the Navy."}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:52", "text": "I'm going to join the Navy, see the"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "world. I want to go join the Navy. And"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "then in junior high school, we had to"}, {"end": "01:07:01", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "write an essay on what will you want to"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "be when you grow up kind of thing. And I"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:01", "text": "said, I want to be a spy. And I thought"}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "that I was going to be a spy even at"}, {"end": "01:07:12", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "that age. And things fell into place in"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "my life where one after the other things"}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:12", "text": "started occurring. Not because I planned"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "them, but it was the free will path I"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "took happened to coincide with what I"}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "felt. Yeah. I didn't realize it would"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "lead me there, but everything I did led"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "up to my career at CIA and all the"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "things I experienced professionally and"}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "personally while I was at CIA. Do you"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "think that was a path that was laid out"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "for you or is that a path that you laid"}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "out for yourself at on some subconscious"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "level? I would say that I laid it out"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "for myself. I feel like I practiced free"}, {"end": "01:07:51", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "will. The opportunities were presented"}, {"end": "01:07:54", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "to me. I took those opportunities,"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:51", "text": "but and so taking those opportunities,"}, {"end": "01:07:58", "start": "01:07:54", "text": "it led me to where I needed to be. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "So, you manifested it, I would say."}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:58", "text": "Yeah. I manifested it, but not"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "consciously. Not to the point that, oh,"}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "yeah, I'm going to study these subjects"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "in school and I'm going to do this and"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "I'm going to do that because I want that"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "job. That didn't happen. just things"}, {"end": "01:08:17", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "fell into place"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "where it that occurred. Okay."}, {"end": "01:08:20", "start": "01:08:17", "text": "Yeah. I mean that makes a lot of sense"}, {"end": "01:08:23", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "to me. We you know we talked a little"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:20", "text": "bit about this at lunch too where I also"}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:23", "text": "I also feel that that there's like"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "almost like a future memory like it's so"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "clear it almost seems like a memory but"}, {"end": "01:08:37", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "it's like this vision and it just seems"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "u sort of like frictionf free in in your"}, {"end": "01:08:41", "start": "01:08:37", "text": "in your uh way to get there. So yeah,"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "that makes a lot of sense to me. So"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:41", "text": "okay, in junior high and then um any"}, {"end": "01:08:50", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "other run-ins"}, {"end": "01:08:53", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "subsequent to this?"}, {"end": "01:08:53", "start": "01:08:50", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:53", "text": "when um"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:08:55", "text": "I was in the Navy Mhm. Um, I happened to"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "sign up for a particular rate as we call"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "them in the Navy, the particular job and"}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "trade for it dealing with electronics,"}, {"end": "01:09:14", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "electronic warfare,"}, {"end": "01:09:17", "start": "01:09:11", "text": "um, signals analysis basically, but"}, {"end": "01:09:19", "start": "01:09:14", "text": "electronic warfare on ships. And that"}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:17", "text": "led me to my very first, you know,"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:19", "text": "clearance. had a secret level clearance"}, {"end": "01:09:30", "start": "01:09:23", "text": "and I also uh was put on the personal"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "reliability program PRP because uh the"}, {"end": "01:09:34", "start": "01:09:30", "text": "ships back then destroyers and frigots"}, {"end": "01:09:36", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "carried nuclear weapons on board. I see."}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:34", "text": "And so I was a guard for nuclear"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:36", "text": "weapons. That was one of my collateral"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "duties was to guard nuclear weapons. Um"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "and it was there that you know on my"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "first ship uh a movie came out. It was"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "called Three Days at a Condor,"}, {"end": "01:09:55", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "starring Robert Reford and I forget the"}, {"end": "01:09:57", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "actress's name. I know people out there"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:55", "text": "are screaming the name, but I Oh, Fay"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:57", "text": "Dunaway. Oh, okay. Yeah, Robert"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "reference Fay Dunaway. And of course the"}, {"end": "01:10:09", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "story was that Robert Reford was a CIA"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "officer working um to uh as a researcher"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:09", "text": "of open source materials trying to"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:11", "text": "discern whether the open source"}, {"end": "01:10:18", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "materials may have contained classified"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "information and that little station got"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:18", "text": "wiped out as the story goes and so forth"}, {"end": "01:10:26", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "and so on. But um it was during the"}, {"end": "01:10:29", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "course of that movie I was with my other"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:26", "text": "uh shipmates watching the movie. There"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:29", "text": "was some very attractive women behind"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "us, maybe a row or two behind,"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "and there was a scene where Robert"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "Riffford picked up the phone"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "and called the operator at Langley and"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "and played back some tones and the"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "Langley operator said, \"Okay, that"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "number is da da.\" And I thought that was"}, {"end": "01:10:55", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "so cool and the women behind us very"}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "attractive saying, \"That is so cool."}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:55", "text": "That is so awesome.\" And I go, \"That's"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "my job. I need a job that women find"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "cool. And so, you know, at that time I"}, {"end": "01:11:07", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "wasn't thinking um, you know, in terms"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "of, you know, joining CIA because that's"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:07", "text": "what I wanted to do. Sure. But it was"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "just coincided with that. Yeah. That"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. And I"}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "told um my shipmates, you know, I'm"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "going to be in CIA someday. And they"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "laughed at me. Oh, sure you are. No, no,"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "you know, I I see myself walking down"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "the hallways of CIA. Wow. I see it. I"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "visualize it. I can see that happening."}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "And eventually it turned out that way."}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "You know that what I did in the Navy was"}, {"end": "01:11:40", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "of interest to CIA to the point that"}, {"end": "01:11:42", "start": "01:11:38", "text": "um my senior year in college at George"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:40", "text": "Washington University. I major in"}, {"end": "01:11:48", "start": "01:11:42", "text": "political science. Um there was an ad in"}, {"end": "01:11:52", "start": "01:11:45", "text": "the Washington Post uh recruiting"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:48", "text": "military sigant personnel. If you did"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:52", "text": "signals intelligence in the military,"}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "call us. Write to us. we're interested"}, {"end": "01:12:03", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "in hiring you. And I responded to that"}, {"end": "01:12:06", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "ad and that set in motion the process of"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:03", "text": "applying for that particular job in CIA."}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:06", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "01:12:13", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "Um, so during your time at the CIA, I"}, {"end": "01:12:16", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "mean 25 years is a long time, John."}, {"end": "01:12:18", "start": "01:12:13", "text": "That's a long time. Not really. No,"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:16", "text": "there been other officers who served uh"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:18", "text": "30 40 years. Okay. But 25 years seems to"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "be the average limit. Uh, if you ask"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "Louando, 25 years. Jim Smivan, 25 years."}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "Ask me, 25 years. That's about as much"}, {"end": "01:12:36", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "as I would say you can stand."}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "Okay. Well put. But that does seem like"}, {"end": "01:12:43", "start": "01:12:36", "text": "a long time to be at at at a particular"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "um office that deals with so much"}, {"end": "01:12:47", "start": "01:12:43", "text": "sensitive information. You know, it's"}, {"end": "01:12:48", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "like drinking out of a fire hose every"}, {"end": "01:12:51", "start": "01:12:47", "text": "day. Like you got all this stuff that"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:48", "text": "you have to compartmentalize. you have"}, {"end": "01:12:55", "start": "01:12:51", "text": "to judge whether or not you know there's"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "there's so many uh variables and so many"}, {"end": "01:12:58", "start": "01:12:55", "text": "things on the line including people's"}, {"end": "01:13:02", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "lives and everything else. So it's a big"}, {"end": "01:13:04", "start": "01:12:58", "text": "responsibility but out of those in that"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:02", "text": "25 years"}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:04", "text": "did you encounter anyone"}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "uh within the agency that you knew for"}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "sure"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:14", "text": "was read into one of the deeper"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:16", "text": "programs?"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "Yes. Okay."}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:23", "text": "Um did you have a lot of interactions"}, {"end": "01:13:30", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "with this person? Yes I did. You did."}, {"end": "01:13:34", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "And"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:30", "text": "was there any was there any point were"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:34", "text": "there groundbreaking"}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "was there groundbreaking information"}, {"end": "01:13:42", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "given to you by these? No, because I"}, {"end": "01:13:44", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "refuse to get that groundbreaking"}, {"end": "01:13:46", "start": "01:13:42", "text": "information other than um the"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:44", "text": "gentleman's name is Pete. His first"}, {"end": "01:13:50", "start": "01:13:46", "text": "names is Pete. He was in my parent"}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "office. uh he was the subject matter"}, {"end": "01:13:54", "start": "01:13:50", "text": "expert uh responsible for gathering"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "other subject management experts within"}, {"end": "01:14:01", "start": "01:13:54", "text": "CIA to go to the orb working group. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:14:05", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "And um he wanted to read me in and I"}, {"end": "01:14:11", "start": "01:14:01", "text": "said I'm not that interested. Um the"}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:05", "text": "other person um well his name is Perry."}, {"end": "01:14:17", "start": "01:14:11", "text": "Hi there Perry. Uh he I can say that he"}, {"end": "01:14:19", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "was CIA's UAP task force liaison"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:17", "text": "officer. I see. He is the David Gres"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:19", "text": "equivalent for CIA. Wow. And I know that"}, {"end": "01:14:30", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "uh he's led uh TVY or temporary duty uh"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "trips to uh to Area 51 from this one"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:30", "text": "particular branch that seems to deal"}, {"end": "01:14:39", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "with this um subject matter. Um and I"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "don't want to call out the branch name"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:39", "text": "because I think it's still active. Um"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "but it's in my parent office. It was in"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "my parent office. Um, and so it was him"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "and uh he was heir"}, {"end": "01:14:54", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "and then there was under sea. There's"}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "another gentleman, his first name is"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:54", "text": "Ken, that's initial M. So Perry O and"}, {"end": "01:15:04", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "Ken M. Um, he was under sea. And the"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "undersea guy, uh, I was supposed to be"}, {"end": "01:15:11", "start": "01:15:04", "text": "read into what I now know as NURO, Nuro,"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "the National Under Sea or Underwater"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:11", "text": "Reconnaissance Office. It's the undersea"}, {"end": "01:15:20", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "equivalent of NRO. And there's a program"}, {"end": "01:15:23", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "I can say out loud because it's already"}, {"end": "01:15:24", "start": "01:15:20", "text": "been revealed and naval special programs"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:23", "text": "NSP."}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "Um, and that originally started uh way"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "back. One of my el chief uh chiefs uh"}, {"end": "01:15:38", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "preceding me, his name was Jean Potit,"}, {"end": "01:15:41", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "Eugene Potit, a legend at CIA and in the"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:38", "text": "intelligence community. and he started"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:41", "text": "something called palladium, the"}, {"end": "01:15:46", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "palladium program as part of that"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "undersea thing. They were they were"}, {"end": "01:15:55", "start": "01:15:46", "text": "releasing um objects uh from submarines"}, {"end": "01:15:57", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "that would look like craft"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:55", "text": "from the submarine. Whoa. That was the"}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:15:57", "text": "Platium program. It was designed to be a"}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "countermeasure against uh radars. I see."}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "To throw them off the scent type deal."}, {"end": "01:16:08", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And I"}, {"end": "01:16:10", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "think the Platium program is is pretty"}, {"end": "01:16:12", "start": "01:16:08", "text": "well documented now. It's It's no longer"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:10", "text": "classified, I don't think. Um I think"}, {"end": "01:16:17", "start": "01:16:12", "text": "you can search it and find out more"}, {"end": "01:16:21", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "information about it, but um yeah, but"}, {"end": "01:16:24", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "he was the uh control officer for that"}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:21", "text": "particular Pentagon SAP Mhm. special"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:24", "text": "access program. Now, special access"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "programs, that's the Department of"}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "Defense. If someone tells me I was a CIA"}, {"end": "01:16:35", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "officer and I was in charge of a SAP, I"}, {"end": "01:16:39", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "know that person is lying because there"}, {"end": "01:16:41", "start": "01:16:35", "text": "are no SAPs at CIA. They're CAPS. the"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:39", "text": "controlled access program. So the ODNI"}, {"end": "01:16:48", "start": "01:16:41", "text": "and CIA have CAPS, the Department of"}, {"end": "01:16:50", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "Defense have SAPs. And he was the SAP"}, {"end": "01:16:53", "start": "01:16:48", "text": "representative for that Pentagon program"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:50", "text": "doing with undersea things. Wow. That"}, {"end": "01:16:59", "start": "01:16:53", "text": "guy knows stuff. That guy knows stuff."}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "And um he said the Pentagon he he my"}, {"end": "01:17:03", "start": "01:16:59", "text": "name was submitted for that particular"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "compartment. Mhm. And the Pentagon came"}, {"end": "01:17:07", "start": "01:17:03", "text": "back and said, \"No, we're not going to"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "read John Ramirez into that. No way.\""}, {"end": "01:17:12", "start": "01:17:07", "text": "and he called me up and he said, \"I"}, {"end": "01:17:15", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "can't read you in.\" The Pentagon said"}, {"end": "01:17:17", "start": "01:17:12", "text": "you cannot be read in. You specifically"}, {"end": "01:17:19", "start": "01:17:15", "text": "You specifically cannot be read in. Was"}, {"end": "01:17:21", "start": "01:17:17", "text": "it because of your previous interest in"}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:19", "text": "That's what I think. Yeah. It seems like"}, {"end": "01:17:25", "start": "01:17:21", "text": "that's I definitely think they looked at"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "my security file. In my security file,"}, {"end": "01:17:30", "start": "01:17:25", "text": "uh, every 5 years we get reinvestigated."}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "Uhhuh. And every 5 years we go through"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:30", "text": "the same line of questioning. You got a"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:32", "text": "little notch on it. And Yep. There's a"}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "check mark. um alien drawing beside you."}, {"end": "01:17:40", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "What are your hobbies? You know, what do"}, {"end": "01:17:43", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "you like to do? What what what interests"}, {"end": "01:17:45", "start": "01:17:40", "text": "you? And I said, I'm interested in UFOs."}, {"end": "01:17:47", "start": "01:17:43", "text": "And one of my things I like to do is is"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:45", "text": "listen to Art Bell and Coast to Coast"}, {"end": "01:17:52", "start": "01:17:47", "text": "AM. I love that stuff. You know, that's"}, {"end": "01:17:54", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "what I'm interested in. And um giant red"}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:52", "text": "flag. That was in my security profile."}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:54", "text": "That that was my interest. And I"}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "reported that several times. Also in my"}, {"end": "01:18:02", "start": "01:17:58", "text": "security profile was the fact that I"}, {"end": "01:18:04", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "attended UFO conferences. Yes. On my"}, {"end": "01:18:07", "start": "01:18:02", "text": "own. Yes. This is because I had a"}, {"end": "01:18:09", "start": "01:18:04", "text": "personal interest and I paid my own way."}, {"end": "01:18:11", "start": "01:18:07", "text": "Yes. For flights, hotels,"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:09", "text": "accommodations. The only thing I needed"}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:11", "text": "was CIA's permission. And so, um, in the"}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "office of security at CIA, there was"}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "something called the external activities"}, {"end": "01:18:23", "start": "01:18:18", "text": "branch. External activities branch,"}, {"end": "01:18:27", "start": "01:18:21", "text": "anytime you go overseas or take a trip"}, {"end": "01:18:29", "start": "01:18:23", "text": "or out of the Washington DC area, you"}, {"end": "01:18:31", "start": "01:18:27", "text": "have to report yourself. No matter what."}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:29", "text": "No matter what. You can go on a vacation"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:31", "text": "Hawaii. Yeah. and you're out of the um"}, {"end": "01:18:38", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "Washington DC area, you have to report"}, {"end": "01:18:40", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "the fact that you're going on this"}, {"end": "01:18:44", "start": "01:18:38", "text": "vacation. It's like the CIA's version of"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:40", "text": "TSA. Yeah, I that's a good way to put"}, {"end": "01:18:49", "start": "01:18:44", "text": "it. Okay. Before there was a TSA, there"}, {"end": "01:18:51", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "was CIA external activities. You had to"}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:49", "text": "report. And if you don't report and"}, {"end": "01:18:54", "start": "01:18:51", "text": "later it comes up in a reinvestigation"}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:52", "text": "that you went on this trip and you"}, {"end": "01:18:58", "start": "01:18:54", "text": "didn't report, you get in a lot of"}, {"end": "01:18:59", "start": "01:18:55", "text": "trouble. Okay. What else did you not"}, {"end": "01:19:01", "start": "01:18:58", "text": "report? See, that's the line of"}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:18:59", "text": "questioning. They go when you withhold"}, {"end": "01:19:06", "start": "01:19:01", "text": "information Yeah. from CIA during a"}, {"end": "01:19:07", "start": "01:19:03", "text": "reinvestigation. Uh they want to know"}, {"end": "01:19:09", "start": "01:19:06", "text": "why did you do that? Interesting. What"}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:07", "text": "else did you not report? What else are"}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:09", "text": "you hiding? Yeah. So, it behooves you to"}, {"end": "01:19:15", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "think like uh like you're in a"}, {"end": "01:19:17", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "confessional booth and confess all your"}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:15", "text": "sins to mother security or father"}, {"end": "01:19:23", "start": "01:19:17", "text": "security. Um you know, hey, forgive me"}, {"end": "01:19:25", "start": "01:19:20", "text": "for my sins. Yeah. And they probably"}, {"end": "01:19:27", "start": "01:19:23", "text": "have all that now with telephones"}, {"end": "01:19:29", "start": "01:19:25", "text": "anyways. Like I mean it's Yeah. So"}, {"end": "01:19:31", "start": "01:19:27", "text": "probably gotten way more sophisticated."}, {"end": "01:19:33", "start": "01:19:29", "text": "Right. Right. So, yeah. So, they knew"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:31", "text": "about that and uh so that I think that's"}, {"end": "01:19:39", "start": "01:19:33", "text": "why I wasn't uh allowed to be read into"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "that particular compartment, but it has"}, {"end": "01:19:45", "start": "01:19:39", "text": "to do with undersea stuff. And I know"}, {"end": "01:19:48", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "that um that particular branch that Ken"}, {"end": "01:19:51", "start": "01:19:45", "text": "was in uh did some interesting things"}, {"end": "01:19:52", "start": "01:19:48", "text": "under the water. You know, underwater"}, {"end": "01:19:54", "start": "01:19:51", "text": "comes up more and more. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:19:56", "start": "01:19:52", "text": "obviously, there's a book that I'm just"}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:54", "text": "starting to read now by Richard Dolan."}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:19:56", "text": "uh he put out on the history of USOS and"}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:20:00", "text": "you know formerly I was also looking"}, {"end": "01:20:07", "start": "01:20:03", "text": "into this alleged whistleblower that"}, {"end": "01:20:09", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "came forward on one of these forums"}, {"end": "01:20:12", "start": "01:20:07", "text": "talking about mobile construction units"}, {"end": "01:20:14", "start": "01:20:09", "text": "underwater fastm moving large objects"}, {"end": "01:20:17", "start": "01:20:12", "text": "and then we hear things you know from"}, {"end": "01:20:18", "start": "01:20:14", "text": "Lou like him or not you know he he said"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:17", "text": "this multiple times and that's been"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:18", "text": "corroborated by other people including a"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "rear admiral Tim Galedet you know who"}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "said yeah there are these massive"}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:24", "text": "objects down there moving at 4 500"}, {"end": "01:20:33", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "knots, right? Which which is very fast."}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "Yes. And so, uh, when Ken was explaining"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:33", "text": "why the Pentagon didn't want me to be"}, {"end": "01:20:38", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "read, and I was arguing why I should be"}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "read,"}, {"end": "01:20:45", "start": "01:20:38", "text": "um, he said, \"You don't understand,"}, {"end": "01:20:48", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "John. This program is the highest"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:45", "text": "secret, top secret in the entire United"}, {"end": "01:20:54", "start": "01:20:48", "text": "States government. This top secret"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "information exceeds that of Manhattan"}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:54", "text": "Project.\" And he mentioned Manhattan"}, {"end": "01:21:00", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "Project by name exceeds the Manhattan"}, {"end": "01:21:05", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "Project and the Pentagon doesn't want"}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:00", "text": "you to be read. Whoa. So, okay, that's"}, {"end": "01:21:11", "start": "01:21:05", "text": "and the specific underwater one. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And I"}, {"end": "01:21:15", "start": "01:21:11", "text": "knew about the uh we use fast attack"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "submarines for spying. Everyone knows"}, {"end": "01:21:19", "start": "01:21:15", "text": "that that submarines are great"}, {"end": "01:21:21", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "reconnaissance vehicles, but it has"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:19", "text": "nothing to do with reconnaissance,"}, {"end": "01:21:26", "start": "01:21:21", "text": "mundane prosaic reconnaissance of uh an"}, {"end": "01:21:27", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "adversary submarine. No, not when you're"}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:26", "text": "talking about something bigger than the"}, {"end": "01:21:30", "start": "01:21:27", "text": "Manhattan project. Bigger than the"}, {"end": "01:21:33", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "Manhattan project. And that's the key"}, {"end": "01:21:35", "start": "01:21:30", "text": "phrase that I I it was his way of"}, {"end": "01:21:38", "start": "01:21:33", "text": "telling me what this program was about"}, {"end": "01:21:40", "start": "01:21:35", "text": "without saying what about UFOs. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:21:41", "start": "01:21:38", "text": "Well, it's something anomalous under the"}, {"end": "01:21:43", "start": "01:21:40", "text": "sea. Let's put it that way. Well, it's"}, {"end": "01:21:47", "start": "01:21:41", "text": "either that or a Kraken, you know. I"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:43", "text": "know that his his um branch uh did"}, {"end": "01:21:52", "start": "01:21:47", "text": "operations under the sea, retrieving"}, {"end": "01:21:55", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "things. Now, just to be fair, it could"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:52", "text": "be submarines, aircraft. Yeah. It could"}, {"end": "01:22:00", "start": "01:21:55", "text": "be adversary undersea satellites, stuff."}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "Yeah. You know, but rockets. Yeah. But"}, {"end": "01:22:04", "start": "01:22:00", "text": "there's something"}, {"end": "01:22:07", "start": "01:22:02", "text": "I can't mention the name, but I know the"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:04", "text": "people who worked there um in that"}, {"end": "01:22:11", "start": "01:22:07", "text": "particular program. And if I said the"}, {"end": "01:22:12", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "names um you would say, \"Huh, I see.\""}, {"end": "01:22:15", "start": "01:22:11", "text": "Yeah, I'm not going to say the names,"}, {"end": "01:22:16", "start": "01:22:12", "text": "not not on this broadcast. And I I won't"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:15", "text": "pry it out of you, but one one thing"}, {"end": "01:22:21", "start": "01:22:16", "text": "that is interesting that I, you know,"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "often come back to as well as Bob Lazar"}, {"end": "01:22:25", "start": "01:22:21", "text": "was,"}, {"end": "01:22:28", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "you know, sort of working for what"}, {"end": "01:22:31", "start": "01:22:25", "text": "seemed like some type of naval"}, {"end": "01:22:34", "start": "01:22:28", "text": "department. Yeah. Or at least the facade"}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:31", "text": "was it was the naval, you know, office"}, {"end": "01:22:38", "start": "01:22:34", "text": "of naval intelligence or department of"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "department of naval intelligence, which"}, {"end": "01:22:41", "start": "01:22:38", "text": "there is an office of naval"}, {"end": "01:22:43", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "intelligence. There isn't a department"}, {"end": "01:22:46", "start": "01:22:41", "text": "of naval intelligence, but I will tell"}, {"end": "01:22:48", "start": "01:22:43", "text": "you this that when I was at CIA, I had a"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:46", "text": "cover legend that I could use when I go"}, {"end": "01:22:54", "start": "01:22:48", "text": "on TDY to conferences or whatever. And"}, {"end": "01:22:57", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "uh I was assigned to a Pentagon office"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:54", "text": "that did not exist and I had an ID card"}, {"end": "01:23:02", "start": "01:22:57", "text": "with my photo on it and everything looks"}, {"end": "01:23:04", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "like a real legitimate Pentagon"}, {"end": "01:23:07", "start": "01:23:02", "text": "identification."}, {"end": "01:23:09", "start": "01:23:04", "text": "Um, and there was on the flip side of"}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:07", "text": "that, uh, there was a signature of my"}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:09", "text": "supervisor, a phone number to call, all"}, {"end": "01:23:15", "start": "01:23:11", "text": "this stuff. And if you call that phone"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:13", "text": "number and ask about me, because my true"}, {"end": "01:23:19", "start": "01:23:15", "text": "name was on the front of that card with"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "my picture, uh, do you have John Ramirez"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:19", "text": "working for you? And person will verify"}, {"end": "01:23:25", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "the fact that I worked for that Pentagon"}, {"end": "01:23:28", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "office when you in fact did not. When in"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:25", "text": "fact, I did not. Yeah. So, uh, talking"}, {"end": "01:23:32", "start": "01:23:28", "text": "about Bob Lazar, he could be in a"}, {"end": "01:23:36", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "similar situation where he was assigned"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:32", "text": "to a non-existent cover office that look"}, {"end": "01:23:42", "start": "01:23:36", "text": "legitimate. Sounds the same. Yeah. To to"}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "a uh to the untrained eye, to someone"}, {"end": "01:23:46", "start": "01:23:42", "text": "who's not wellversed in the uh"}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "Department of Defense. Um, that looks"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:46", "text": "legit. Yeah. You know, and the reason"}, {"end": "01:23:51", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "why I use that card is so I can get"}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "government rates for hotels and flights."}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:51", "text": "Yeah. You know, that's how we used it."}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "And it was it was something to flash."}, {"end": "01:24:01", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "It's the Flash ID to make you look"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:58", "text": "legitimate, right? And in Bob's in Bob's"}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:01", "text": "case, I mean, obviously, if you're"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "dealing with something as immense as"}, {"end": "01:24:09", "start": "01:24:04", "text": "reverse engineering uh ET craft, no"}, {"end": "01:24:14", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "surprise that you would have some type"}, {"end": "01:24:15", "start": "01:24:09", "text": "of legend or or cover or or flash ID. I"}, {"end": "01:24:18", "start": "01:24:14", "text": "mean, that's that feels like the minimum"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:15", "text": "amount of security that they would"}, {"end": "01:24:22", "start": "01:24:18", "text": "require. Yeah, it's very light. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:24:24", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "if you scratch beneath the surface,"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:22", "text": "it'll fall apart. But yeah, the the idea"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:24", "text": "was not to gain entry into another"}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "government or Pentagon I see uh base cuz"}, {"end": "01:24:35", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "I have something called a CAC card,"}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "common access card that we were we were"}, {"end": "01:24:40", "start": "01:24:35", "text": "given and so I could use that card to"}, {"end": "01:24:42", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "get into a DoD facility. Um and people"}, {"end": "01:24:44", "start": "01:24:40", "text": "in the DoD know what a CAC card is. I"}, {"end": "01:24:47", "start": "01:24:42", "text": "don't know if they still use them, but I"}, {"end": "01:24:49", "start": "01:24:44", "text": "was assigned one. Um and uh so it made"}, {"end": "01:24:51", "start": "01:24:47", "text": "me look like a Pentagon employee even"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:49", "text": "though I wasn't. Yeah. But this was a"}, {"end": "01:24:55", "start": "01:24:51", "text": "little bit in-depth. you know, this was"}, {"end": "01:24:58", "start": "01:24:52", "text": "a real card that that uh could gain me"}, {"end": "01:25:00", "start": "01:24:55", "text": "access into actual facilities, right? I"}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:24:58", "text": "mean, on par for being a spy, I think,"}, {"end": "01:25:05", "start": "01:25:00", "text": "you know, um which is I I would expect"}, {"end": "01:25:09", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "something like that if I were a spy, be"}, {"end": "01:25:12", "start": "01:25:05", "text": "like, where's my secret ID? Um let's"}, {"end": "01:25:14", "start": "01:25:09", "text": "shift a little bit into into something"}, {"end": "01:25:15", "start": "01:25:12", "text": "first. I want to ask just like off the"}, {"end": "01:25:17", "start": "01:25:14", "text": "top of my head, just something I'm"}, {"end": "01:25:19", "start": "01:25:15", "text": "really interested in. Um, has there ever"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:17", "text": "been any talk stories or anything that"}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:19", "text": "you can share on Wright Patterson"}, {"end": "01:25:28", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "airfield that that you heard uh in by"}, {"end": "01:25:30", "start": "01:25:26", "text": "the water coolers? Not when I was at"}, {"end": "01:25:33", "start": "01:25:28", "text": "CIA. I heard more about right pad after"}, {"end": "01:25:36", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "left CIA and got involved in this topic"}, {"end": "01:25:37", "start": "01:25:33", "text": "at all. Uh, back then right Pat, you"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:36", "text": "know, it was air force base and I dealt"}, {"end": "01:25:42", "start": "01:25:37", "text": "with foreign technology division. Um,"}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:40", "text": "and then it was called NASC. Mhm. It had"}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:42", "text": "a few names in between. Uh, one was NAIK"}, {"end": "01:25:50", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "NIC, but that only lasted for shortly."}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "And then they added space to air,"}, {"end": "01:25:54", "start": "01:25:50", "text": "national air and space intelligence"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "center. And I dealt with counterparts"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:54", "text": "there. Okay. But never anything not to"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "do with UFOs. Um, no, I it was mostly my"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "day job of uh dealing with um Soviet and"}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "Russian missile tests, right? Um, there"}, {"end": "01:26:11", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "was a meeting that was had and we'"}, {"end": "01:26:14", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "mentioned this earlier, Brad and"}, {"end": "01:26:15", "start": "01:26:11", "text": "McDonald, BDM. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:26:17", "start": "01:26:14", "text": "Something interesting happened there as"}, {"end": "01:26:19", "start": "01:26:15", "text": "well, right? That wasn't a meeting. That"}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:17", "text": "was me being briefed into a two"}, {"end": "01:26:27", "start": "01:26:19", "text": "compartments. Mhm. Um and so um I was"}, {"end": "01:26:30", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "just there, this goes back to my radar,"}, {"end": "01:26:35", "start": "01:26:27", "text": "my beloved radar. Now I use the Russian"}, {"end": "01:26:35", "start": "01:26:30", "text": "name for it. It's Neman. Ne-p"}, {"end": "01:26:41", "start": "01:26:35", "text": "stands for polygon. Okay. Neman polygon."}, {"end": "01:26:43", "start": "01:26:38", "text": "It's it's a very unique radar. It's very"}, {"end": "01:26:44", "start": "01:26:41", "text": "sophisticated. Uh, it's probably still"}, {"end": "01:26:46", "start": "01:26:43", "text": "the most sophisticated waveforms ever"}, {"end": "01:26:48", "start": "01:26:44", "text": "seen coming out of a radar. And I've"}, {"end": "01:26:51", "start": "01:26:46", "text": "seen a lot of different signals coming"}, {"end": "01:26:56", "start": "01:26:48", "text": "out of radar. Um, highly capable,"}, {"end": "01:27:00", "start": "01:26:51", "text": "extremely advanced radar. Um, and so we"}, {"end": "01:27:02", "start": "01:26:56", "text": "were flying something that wasn't a"}, {"end": "01:27:05", "start": "01:27:00", "text": "satellite or wasn't a conventional"}, {"end": "01:27:07", "start": "01:27:02", "text": "satellite. It was a very unique"}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:05", "text": "spacecraft."}, {"end": "01:27:14", "start": "01:27:07", "text": "And the spacecraft had uh a like a radar"}, {"end": "01:27:17", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "warning receiver in a car that you know"}, {"end": "01:27:19", "start": "01:27:14", "text": "if the police are as a police car"}, {"end": "01:27:21", "start": "01:27:17", "text": "sitting by the road you know with a"}, {"end": "01:27:25", "start": "01:27:19", "text": "radar gun want to see what your speed"}, {"end": "01:27:29", "start": "01:27:21", "text": "limit is you can detect it. So this this"}, {"end": "01:27:34", "start": "01:27:25", "text": "craft had a similar type of system that"}, {"end": "01:27:36", "start": "01:27:29", "text": "if it was illuminated by a radar, it"}, {"end": "01:27:38", "start": "01:27:34", "text": "would detect that illumination and"}, {"end": "01:27:41", "start": "01:27:36", "text": "actually it would collect some of the"}, {"end": "01:27:43", "start": "01:27:38", "text": "parameters of that radar. M so you can"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:41", "text": "further it's not just a blip, you know,"}, {"end": "01:27:47", "start": "01:27:43", "text": "you can further identify it by looking"}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:45", "text": "at the parameters and you can match it"}, {"end": "01:27:53", "start": "01:27:47", "text": "to known signals. So I was read into"}, {"end": "01:27:56", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "this spacecraft and that subsystem that"}, {"end": "01:27:58", "start": "01:27:53", "text": "detected the signals as well as um the"}, {"end": "01:28:01", "start": "01:27:56", "text": "intelligence collected by that"}, {"end": "01:28:02", "start": "01:27:58", "text": "particular spacecraft. It's uh dealt"}, {"end": "01:28:03", "start": "01:28:01", "text": "with intelligence surveillance and"}, {"end": "01:28:06", "start": "01:28:02", "text": "reconnaissance"}, {"end": "01:28:08", "start": "01:28:03", "text": "but it didn't look like a satellite. It"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:06", "text": "uh what did it look like? It looked like"}, {"end": "01:28:13", "start": "01:28:08", "text": "an egg"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "tapered. Now that's interesting. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:13", "text": "it it was it was it wasn't uh a cylinder"}, {"end": "01:28:25", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "like a tic tac, but it was teardrop"}, {"end": "01:28:27", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "teardrop oval shape with tapered ends."}, {"end": "01:28:30", "start": "01:28:25", "text": "So obviously when we mention egg,"}, {"end": "01:28:32", "start": "01:28:27", "text": "there's a lot of cases in the past and"}, {"end": "01:28:34", "start": "01:28:30", "text": "I've looked at a lot even in Spain and"}, {"end": "01:28:35", "start": "01:28:32", "text": "like all sorts of cases around the world"}, {"end": "01:28:40", "start": "01:28:34", "text": "with like eggcraft even going back to"}, {"end": "01:28:42", "start": "01:28:35", "text": "Lonnie Zamora um in his you know Sakura"}, {"end": "01:28:44", "start": "01:28:40", "text": "New Mexico sighting. But one thing that"}, {"end": "01:28:48", "start": "01:28:42", "text": "does come to mind is this Jake Barber"}, {"end": "01:28:52", "start": "01:28:44", "text": "video of the alleged recovery."}, {"end": "01:28:55", "start": "01:28:48", "text": "Now what I find interesting here is that"}, {"end": "01:28:58", "start": "01:28:52", "text": "BDM Bradock Dunn and McDonald went"}, {"end": "01:29:01", "start": "01:28:55", "text": "through several acquisitions. Yeah. And"}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:28:58", "text": "in 2002 they were acquired by Northrup"}, {"end": "01:29:07", "start": "01:29:01", "text": "Grummond."}, {"end": "01:29:11", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "Um, there's a lot of talk that the range"}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:07", "text": "that this egg was collected from was on"}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:11", "text": "Northrup's range. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:29:24", "start": "01:29:18", "text": "Do you think that Jake Barber is aware"}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "that the craft that he collected was"}, {"end": "01:29:29", "start": "01:29:24", "text": "ours?"}, {"end": "01:29:32", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "I can't say it was ours or NHI, right? I"}, {"end": "01:29:36", "start": "01:29:29", "text": "just know that the craft I was briefed"}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:32", "text": "into could not have landed"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "cuz it was a spacecraft and it orbited."}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "It was an orbital craft that flew into"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "space collecting intelligence and I"}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "don't think it could land. Didn't have"}, {"end": "01:29:52", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "any landing gears or capabilities. I"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "don't think so. I think it it was if it"}, {"end": "01:29:56", "start": "01:29:52", "text": "was de-orbited, it would burn up in the"}, {"end": "01:29:58", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "atmosphere like anything else coming"}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:56", "text": "back from orbit into the Earth's"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:58", "text": "atmosphere. It would just burn up. Mhm."}, {"end": "01:30:04", "start": "01:30:00", "text": "So, I don't think it it was retrieved in"}, {"end": "01:30:07", "start": "01:30:02", "text": "that sense. It can't it could not have"}, {"end": "01:30:09", "start": "01:30:04", "text": "been retrieved. Um, and I may be wrong."}, {"end": "01:30:10", "start": "01:30:07", "text": "Mhm. Well, I just find it really"}, {"end": "01:30:12", "start": "01:30:09", "text": "interesting that there's this giant"}, {"end": "01:30:13", "start": "01:30:10", "text": "coincidence. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know"}, {"end": "01:30:14", "start": "01:30:12", "text": "what I mean? That we're talking about"}, {"end": "01:30:16", "start": "01:30:13", "text": "Eggcraft. We're also talking about the"}, {"end": "01:30:18", "start": "01:30:14", "text": "same location, the same company that"}, {"end": "01:30:20", "start": "01:30:16", "text": "deals with this. This all seems a little"}, {"end": "01:30:23", "start": "01:30:18", "text": "bit too right, you know, closely. I"}, {"end": "01:30:25", "start": "01:30:20", "text": "would say this that if you saw and I saw"}, {"end": "01:30:28", "start": "01:30:23", "text": "the photographs of this particular"}, {"end": "01:30:30", "start": "01:30:25", "text": "spacecraft in a hanger. Oh. Um that's I"}, {"end": "01:30:32", "start": "01:30:28", "text": "didn't see the spacecraft itself. They"}, {"end": "01:30:33", "start": "01:30:30", "text": "showed me this is what it looked like."}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:32", "text": "This is what it looks like. This is what"}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:33", "text": "it can do. This is why we built it and"}, {"end": "01:30:42", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "this is why um we're interested in"}, {"end": "01:30:45", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "finding out whether it can be detected"}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:42", "text": "because it's supposed to be uh stealthy"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:45", "text": "in nature."}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "It shouldn't have been tracked by"}, {"end": "01:30:53", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "anything. Yet, it was indicated, but"}, {"end": "01:30:54", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "based on the data I saw that it was"}, {"end": "01:30:58", "start": "01:30:53", "text": "being tracked by the Russians using this"}, {"end": "01:31:00", "start": "01:30:54", "text": "fantastic radar I talked about, Nean P."}, {"end": "01:31:04", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:00", "text": "so I I don't think it was I don't think"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:04", "text": "Jake Barber's video I don't know what"}, {"end": "01:31:11", "start": "01:31:06", "text": "the source of that was. I don't know if"}, {"end": "01:31:13", "start": "01:31:08", "text": "that was the actual craft that he was"}, {"end": "01:31:16", "start": "01:31:11", "text": "responsible for retrieving. Um, I don't"}, {"end": "01:31:18", "start": "01:31:13", "text": "know. But I one thing what I was briefed"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:16", "text": "in could not have entered the earth's"}, {"end": "01:31:24", "start": "01:31:18", "text": "atmosphere and land like that intact. It"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "would have it would have burned up."}, {"end": "01:31:28", "start": "01:31:24", "text": "Right."}, {"end": "01:31:31", "start": "01:31:26", "text": "And the craft that you saw that they"}, {"end": "01:31:34", "start": "01:31:28", "text": "showed you that was man-made. Oh yeah."}, {"end": "01:31:36", "start": "01:31:31", "text": "Yeah. Oh yeah. It was definitely Well,"}, {"end": "01:31:39", "start": "01:31:34", "text": "let's put it this way. It was built by"}, {"end": "01:31:42", "start": "01:31:36", "text": "humans. I have no idea what technology"}, {"end": "01:31:43", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "was inside the craft other than I know"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:42", "text": "that there was this radar warning"}, {"end": "01:31:48", "start": "01:31:43", "text": "component in it and I know it took"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:45", "text": "pictures and I know that it wasn't"}, {"end": "01:31:52", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "supposed to be detected. Okay. Well,"}, {"end": "01:31:54", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "that's that's just interesting there."}, {"end": "01:31:56", "start": "01:31:52", "text": "Um, another question that I had I I'm"}, {"end": "01:31:58", "start": "01:31:54", "text": "going to run through a few of these"}, {"end": "01:32:02", "start": "01:31:56", "text": "questions that I've been holding off on"}, {"end": "01:32:04", "start": "01:31:58", "text": "here while we've been chatting. Um,"}, {"end": "01:32:06", "start": "01:32:02", "text": "have you heard of Tim Taylor? Yes, I"}, {"end": "01:32:07", "start": "01:32:04", "text": "have. Yeah. Have you ever had a runin"}, {"end": "01:32:11", "start": "01:32:06", "text": "with him? Have you ever talked to him?"}, {"end": "01:32:14", "start": "01:32:07", "text": "No. Okay. No, I don't think I have. Um I"}, {"end": "01:32:18", "start": "01:32:11", "text": "had a LinkedIn Pro account for a while."}, {"end": "01:32:21", "start": "01:32:14", "text": "Um Temp Taylor, I think he may have"}, {"end": "01:32:22", "start": "01:32:18", "text": "reached out to me, but I didn't really"}, {"end": "01:32:24", "start": "01:32:21", "text": "reciprocate."}, {"end": "01:32:27", "start": "01:32:22", "text": "I think he just sent a hello message."}, {"end": "01:32:29", "start": "01:32:24", "text": "Okay. Hi, how you doing kind of thing."}, {"end": "01:32:31", "start": "01:32:27", "text": "This was after I started doing my"}, {"end": "01:32:32", "start": "01:32:29", "text": "earlier podcast interviews. Yes. And he"}, {"end": "01:32:34", "start": "01:32:31", "text": "come back. So, he was interested in in"}, {"end": "01:32:36", "start": "01:32:32", "text": "perhaps talking to you maybe. I don't"}, {"end": "01:32:38", "start": "01:32:34", "text": "know. but we didn't follow through and"}, {"end": "01:32:42", "start": "01:32:36", "text": "so I I can't say that I know him in any"}, {"end": "01:32:44", "start": "01:32:38", "text": "way. Mhm. And where does remote viewing"}, {"end": "01:32:46", "start": "01:32:42", "text": "and that stuff fall in? Which category?"}, {"end": "01:32:48", "start": "01:32:44", "text": "Mazant. That's Mazant as well. I would"}, {"end": "01:32:50", "start": "01:32:46", "text": "put it in a mazent because there's a"}, {"end": "01:32:53", "start": "01:32:48", "text": "branch of Mazant. Um that is like"}, {"end": "01:32:55", "start": "01:32:50", "text": "biological mazent or biometric mazent."}, {"end": "01:32:57", "start": "01:32:53", "text": "Biometric mazent. Okay. And a human"}, {"end": "01:33:00", "start": "01:32:55", "text": "brain mazent is a real thing. It's"}, {"end": "01:33:03", "start": "01:32:57", "text": "signatures coming from the human brain."}, {"end": "01:33:05", "start": "01:33:00", "text": "Whoa. And so that they can measure that."}, {"end": "01:33:09", "start": "01:33:03", "text": "Yeah, you can. I mean, Stanford"}, {"end": "01:33:11", "start": "01:33:05", "text": "University has Yeah. But I mean, do do"}, {"end": "01:33:14", "start": "01:33:09", "text": "you think they still do it? I would"}, {"end": "01:33:18", "start": "01:33:11", "text": "think so. Yeah. So, I I think there it's"}, {"end": "01:33:21", "start": "01:33:14", "text": "still a field of study. Um"}, {"end": "01:33:24", "start": "01:33:18", "text": "because humans had uh magnetic sense at"}, {"end": "01:33:25", "start": "01:33:21", "text": "one time just like whales and uh"}, {"end": "01:33:28", "start": "01:33:24", "text": "cessations, you know, they they could"}, {"end": "01:33:30", "start": "01:33:25", "text": "sense magnetic field changes in the"}, {"end": "01:33:32", "start": "01:33:28", "text": "earth and they use the these creatures"}, {"end": "01:33:34", "start": "01:33:30", "text": "use it to navigate. Mhm. And every time"}, {"end": "01:33:37", "start": "01:33:32", "text": "there's some disruption, solar flares or"}, {"end": "01:33:39", "start": "01:33:34", "text": "whatever that causes a disruption, they"}, {"end": "01:33:41", "start": "01:33:37", "text": "get lost and they beach themselves,"}, {"end": "01:33:44", "start": "01:33:39", "text": "right? Because they get lost. And the"}, {"end": "01:33:46", "start": "01:33:41", "text": "humans, they detected that we have a a"}, {"end": "01:33:48", "start": "01:33:44", "text": "dormant capability of doing that."}, {"end": "01:33:50", "start": "01:33:46", "text": "Whether it's dormant or it was made"}, {"end": "01:33:51", "start": "01:33:48", "text": "dormant deliberately, I don't know."}, {"end": "01:33:55", "start": "01:33:50", "text": "That's a whole another area of"}, {"end": "01:33:59", "start": "01:33:51", "text": "discussion. But humans had that"}, {"end": "01:34:02", "start": "01:33:55", "text": "or still do a dormant sense of Earth's"}, {"end": "01:34:06", "start": "01:33:59", "text": "magnetic field. Also your human skin is"}, {"end": "01:34:10", "start": "01:34:02", "text": "a mazing collector in that the uh the"}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:06", "text": "sweat glands are helical antennas. So"}, {"end": "01:34:14", "start": "01:34:10", "text": "underneath your skin there are little"}, {"end": "01:34:16", "start": "01:34:12", "text": "helical antennas"}, {"end": "01:34:18", "start": "01:34:14", "text": "and they act like electromagnetic"}, {"end": "01:34:22", "start": "01:34:16", "text": "antennas and they could measure the"}, {"end": "01:34:25", "start": "01:34:18", "text": "wavelength that your skin is is um"}, {"end": "01:34:29", "start": "01:34:22", "text": "is able to detect. It's it's up in the"}, {"end": "01:34:32", "start": "01:34:25", "text": "like 400 500 gigahertz range up there."}, {"end": "01:34:34", "start": "01:34:29", "text": "millimeter wave they call it. But you"}, {"end": "01:34:38", "start": "01:34:32", "text": "know, you think about how to affect a"}, {"end": "01:34:40", "start": "01:34:34", "text": "human being, zap them with that range of"}, {"end": "01:34:41", "start": "01:34:38", "text": "signals and they start sweating start"}, {"end": "01:34:45", "start": "01:34:40", "text": "doing all kinds of things or you can use"}, {"end": "01:34:47", "start": "01:34:41", "text": "acoustic right uh signatures you"}, {"end": "01:34:51", "start": "01:34:45", "text": "acoustic signals and you can you can"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:47", "text": "make somebody sick. Mhm. Or um in a risk"}, {"end": "01:34:54", "start": "01:34:51", "text": "extreme"}, {"end": "01:34:56", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "you you can make them um you can make"}, {"end": "01:34:59", "start": "01:34:54", "text": "them vomit. Oh my gosh. Because you know"}, {"end": "01:35:02", "start": "01:34:56", "text": "your your abdominal cavity there's a"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:34:59", "text": "resonance there in the audio range and"}, {"end": "01:35:05", "start": "01:35:02", "text": "if you hit it with that audio range you"}, {"end": "01:35:07", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "know all of a sudden things in there"}, {"end": "01:35:10", "start": "01:35:05", "text": "starts to quiver and you get physically"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:07", "text": "sick. Well if uh if the people watching"}, {"end": "01:35:13", "start": "01:35:10", "text": "this video don't leave a like and a"}, {"end": "01:35:16", "start": "01:35:12", "text": "comment I'm going to play one of those"}, {"end": "01:35:19", "start": "01:35:13", "text": "sounds. So yeah and that goes back to"}, {"end": "01:35:22", "start": "01:35:16", "text": "AHI the uh you know the anomalous health"}, {"end": "01:35:24", "start": "01:35:19", "text": "incidents. Yeah. Yeah. Uh with syndrome."}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:22", "text": "Yeah. They're probably utilizing that"}, {"end": "01:35:30", "start": "01:35:24", "text": "type of human mazet. Yeah. As a a"}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:27", "text": "weaponized version of it. The offensive"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:30", "text": "side of it. Not just collecting it,"}, {"end": "01:35:36", "start": "01:35:32", "text": "which is more defensive and passive, but"}, {"end": "01:35:38", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "using it to affect another human being."}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:36", "text": "Yeah. And it would be an incredible"}, {"end": "01:35:44", "start": "01:35:38", "text": "shame to do all those studies, you know,"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "whether it's MK Ultra and Stargate and"}, {"end": "01:35:49", "start": "01:35:44", "text": "all these things after decades and"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "decades and finding that, oh, there is"}, {"end": "01:35:54", "start": "01:35:49", "text": "something here, there is something and"}, {"end": "01:35:57", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "then just dropping it. Like it seems so"}, {"end": "01:36:00", "start": "01:35:54", "text": "ridiculous. Like especially because all"}, {"end": "01:36:02", "start": "01:35:57", "text": "of that stuff to me seems incredibly"}, {"end": "01:36:04", "start": "01:36:00", "text": "cheap. It's not something that's very"}, {"end": "01:36:06", "start": "01:36:02", "text": "expensive. You know, you give a guy a"}, {"end": "01:36:08", "start": "01:36:04", "text": "piece of paper and a pencil or a woman"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:06", "text": "and sit him in a room with no windows. I"}, {"end": "01:36:12", "start": "01:36:08", "text": "mean, that doesn't cost millions of"}, {"end": "01:36:13", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "dollars."}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:12", "text": "What is one piece of information that"}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:13", "text": "you think everyone should know? This is"}, {"end": "01:36:23", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "where we're going to talk about"}, {"end": "01:36:26", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "consciousness. Consciousness seems to be"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:23", "text": "the foundation for the phenomenon. That"}, {"end": "01:36:31", "start": "01:36:26", "text": "is how humans perceive the phenomenon"}, {"end": "01:36:34", "start": "01:36:29", "text": "and how the phenomenon perceives humans."}, {"end": "01:36:38", "start": "01:36:31", "text": "There seems to be a a consciousness"}, {"end": "01:36:41", "start": "01:36:34", "text": "aspect to this aside from the nuts and"}, {"end": "01:36:43", "start": "01:36:38", "text": "bolts. Even though JAPS may not have any"}, {"end": "01:36:45", "start": "01:36:41", "text": "nuts or bolts on the craft, but we call"}, {"end": "01:36:48", "start": "01:36:43", "text": "it that. But the structured craft, aside"}, {"end": "01:36:50", "start": "01:36:45", "text": "from the structured craft, um that's"}, {"end": "01:36:51", "start": "01:36:48", "text": "just physics. That's just mechanical"}, {"end": "01:36:53", "start": "01:36:50", "text": "engineering. That's just material"}, {"end": "01:36:56", "start": "01:36:51", "text": "science"}, {"end": "01:36:58", "start": "01:36:53", "text": "that can be all figured out. But how it"}, {"end": "01:37:00", "start": "01:36:56", "text": "works, there seems to be a consciousness"}, {"end": "01:37:02", "start": "01:36:58", "text": "aspect to it that we don't quite"}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:37:00", "text": "understand."}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:02", "text": "And I've been hearing that more and more"}, {"end": "01:37:09", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "particularly the way the phenomenon"}, {"end": "01:37:12", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "communicates with certain individuals"}, {"end": "01:37:15", "start": "01:37:09", "text": "and the way individuals can communicate"}, {"end": "01:37:17", "start": "01:37:12", "text": "with the phenomenon. So you have the"}, {"end": "01:37:21", "start": "01:37:15", "text": "human initiated contact you know the"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:17", "text": "heist you can have that or um using"}, {"end": "01:37:26", "start": "01:37:21", "text": "psionics as Jake Barber's team is doing"}, {"end": "01:37:28", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "to lure the craft down. That's a real"}, {"end": "01:37:29", "start": "01:37:26", "text": "thing because the Russians have already"}, {"end": "01:37:31", "start": "01:37:28", "text": "done it."}, {"end": "01:37:35", "start": "01:37:29", "text": "Do you think that that's"}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:31", "text": "because that to me sounds so insane?"}, {"end": "01:37:39", "start": "01:37:35", "text": "Because I I I just struggle with that"}, {"end": "01:37:42", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "concept"}, {"end": "01:37:45", "start": "01:37:39", "text": "because if you were an intelligent"}, {"end": "01:37:47", "start": "01:37:42", "text": "species, arguably"}, {"end": "01:37:50", "start": "01:37:45", "text": "vastly more intelligent than the people"}, {"end": "01:37:54", "start": "01:37:47", "text": "who are quote unquote summoning you or"}, {"end": "01:37:56", "start": "01:37:50", "text": "inviting you. Um, fool me once, shame on"}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:54", "text": "you. But fool me twice, shame on me."}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:56", "text": "Like I"}, {"end": "01:38:04", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "these aren't fish. These are intelligent"}, {"end": "01:38:05", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "things. Surely they know that if they"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:04", "text": "get in range, they're going to be taken"}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:05", "text": "down by some microwave cannon. Like I"}, {"end": "01:38:11", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "mean I' I' I'd be hardressed to think"}, {"end": "01:38:13", "start": "01:38:09", "text": "that these intelligent beings would be"}, {"end": "01:38:18", "start": "01:38:11", "text": "willing to put themselves in a situation"}, {"end": "01:38:22", "start": "01:38:13", "text": "a second time to be drawn in. And to me"}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:18", "text": "this, you know, only my opinion, but"}, {"end": "01:38:29", "start": "01:38:22", "text": "seems like we might be interacting with"}, {"end": "01:38:31", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "some type of system rather because if"}, {"end": "01:38:33", "start": "01:38:29", "text": "you simulate war games and these things"}, {"end": "01:38:36", "start": "01:38:31", "text": "start appearing, that doesn't seem like"}, {"end": "01:38:38", "start": "01:38:33", "text": "an intelligently controlled thing that"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:36", "text": "we're It seems like a system. It seems"}, {"end": "01:38:44", "start": "01:38:38", "text": "like some type of immune response to our"}, {"end": "01:38:47", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "games that we're that we're putting out"}, {"end": "01:38:49", "start": "01:38:44", "text": "there, you know. Um because again, I"}, {"end": "01:38:51", "start": "01:38:47", "text": "don't think so that that that's where I"}, {"end": "01:38:53", "start": "01:38:49", "text": "struggle with all of that. But you said"}, {"end": "01:38:54", "start": "01:38:51", "text": "that the Russians are doing this. The"}, {"end": "01:38:57", "start": "01:38:53", "text": "Russians have done it. Yeah. They"}, {"end": "01:38:59", "start": "01:38:54", "text": "they've they've done what Jake Barber is"}, {"end": "01:39:01", "start": "01:38:57", "text": "doing now. They've already done it. And"}, {"end": "01:39:03", "start": "01:38:59", "text": "where where does that information come"}, {"end": "01:39:05", "start": "01:39:01", "text": "from? Uh it comes from a major general"}, {"end": "01:39:08", "start": "01:39:03", "text": "in the Russian Air Force, retired. He"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:05", "text": "said that uh they were able to lure UAP"}, {"end": "01:39:14", "start": "01:39:08", "text": "down H and then when it came down they"}, {"end": "01:39:18", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "were able to interact with the UAP just"}, {"end": "01:39:21", "start": "01:39:14", "text": "by body movements and thought. Okay. And"}, {"end": "01:39:24", "start": "01:39:18", "text": "lure them in how? Using psionics or"}, {"end": "01:39:26", "start": "01:39:21", "text": "using nukes? No, not nukes. No, it was"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:24", "text": "it was like they were using uh"}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:26", "text": "electromagnetic signals. Uhhuh. Um and"}, {"end": "01:39:34", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "frequencies and Yeah, certain"}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "frequencies. Um, I would say that 3"}, {"end": "01:39:41", "start": "01:39:34", "text": "ghahertz is uh magic frequency for some"}, {"end": "01:39:43", "start": "01:39:38", "text": "reason. Um, they respond to 3 GHz. The"}, {"end": "01:39:46", "start": "01:39:41", "text": "radar I talked to you about before,"}, {"end": "01:39:49", "start": "01:39:43", "text": "Neiman P, that is an S-band radar. Um,"}, {"end": "01:39:52", "start": "01:39:46", "text": "it works just below 3 GHz. It's a very"}, {"end": "01:39:56", "start": "01:39:49", "text": "wideband signal. Um, below three 3"}, {"end": "01:39:57", "start": "01:39:52", "text": "gigahertz. Um, it seems to me that Oh,"}, {"end": "01:40:02", "start": "01:39:56", "text": "and the"}, {"end": "01:40:04", "start": "01:39:57", "text": "the craft followed by the RB47"}, {"end": "01:40:08", "start": "01:40:02", "text": "that the late Dr. James McDonald wrote"}, {"end": "01:40:11", "start": "01:40:04", "text": "about um the RB47 being a uh"}, {"end": "01:40:13", "start": "01:40:08", "text": "reconnaissance aircraft. They detected"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:11", "text": "with their onboard signals collection"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:13", "text": "systems a 3 gigahertz signal coming from"}, {"end": "01:40:23", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "that. Oh. that they followed. Um the"}, {"end": "01:40:27", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "there were two radars at White Sands uh"}, {"end": "01:40:31", "start": "01:40:23", "text": "testing the V2 and those radars, the STR"}, {"end": "01:40:35", "start": "01:40:27", "text": "587 they were called. It's a 3 GHz"}, {"end": "01:40:38", "start": "01:40:31", "text": "signal. Hm. Interesting. Um so 3 GHz for"}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:35", "text": "some reason seems to be um the magic"}, {"end": "01:40:43", "start": "01:40:38", "text": "wavelength uh frequency rather. Yeah. Or"}, {"end": "01:40:46", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "dog whistle. Yeah, maybe. I don't know."}, {"end": "01:40:49", "start": "01:40:43", "text": "Um but according to this major general"}, {"end": "01:40:52", "start": "01:40:46", "text": "Alexev um they were able to lure down"}, {"end": "01:40:54", "start": "01:40:49", "text": "that this these craft and interact with"}, {"end": "01:40:57", "start": "01:40:52", "text": "them."}, {"end": "01:40:57", "start": "01:40:54", "text": "Interesting."}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:57", "text": "I mean I'd like to see it happen and and"}, {"end": "01:41:04", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "I I wish them the best. I hope I hope"}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "that this is uh you know something that"}, {"end": "01:41:08", "start": "01:41:04", "text": "can be made public and and can be shared"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "with everybody. Yeah. And I have"}, {"end": "01:41:14", "start": "01:41:08", "text": "classified sources um documenting"}, {"end": "01:41:17", "start": "01:41:12", "text": "interactions, that type of interaction,"}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:14", "text": "but I can't talk about it because it's"}, {"end": "01:41:22", "start": "01:41:17", "text": "classified. Well, um it is classified."}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:20", "text": "Um and I kind of alluded to it in"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:22", "text": "previous interviews. I laid it all out"}, {"end": "01:41:30", "start": "01:41:24", "text": "for the Age of Disclosure film that, um"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "I did not appear in, but I participated"}, {"end": "01:41:35", "start": "01:41:30", "text": "in the making of that film. uh they they"}, {"end": "01:41:37", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "ran up against a time constraint and so"}, {"end": "01:41:39", "start": "01:41:35", "text": "they had to cut four hours down to"}, {"end": "01:41:41", "start": "01:41:37", "text": "something that would fit Yeah. at the"}, {"end": "01:41:44", "start": "01:41:39", "text": "Southwest"}, {"end": "01:41:46", "start": "01:41:41", "text": "conference. Yeah. And so, uh, I was able"}, {"end": "01:41:49", "start": "01:41:44", "text": "to collaborate"}, {"end": "01:41:50", "start": "01:41:46", "text": "corroborate that what they did and"}, {"end": "01:41:53", "start": "01:41:49", "text": "explained it a little further, but I'm"}, {"end": "01:41:56", "start": "01:41:50", "text": "hesitant to do it now because that film"}, {"end": "01:42:00", "start": "01:41:53", "text": "provided us with a cover, top cover that"}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:41:56", "text": "if I say that when there's uh, the now"}, {"end": "01:42:05", "start": "01:42:00", "text": "Secretary of State on there and and"}, {"end": "01:42:07", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "senators and Congress people and these"}, {"end": "01:42:09", "start": "01:42:05", "text": "other high level officials like Jim"}, {"end": "01:42:11", "start": "01:42:07", "text": "Clapper all saying things like that."}, {"end": "01:42:14", "start": "01:42:09", "text": "Yeah. Um, I felt more comfortable saying"}, {"end": "01:42:16", "start": "01:42:11", "text": "that. Are you referring to the incident"}, {"end": "01:42:20", "start": "01:42:14", "text": "with the red cube? I don't know about"}, {"end": "01:42:22", "start": "01:42:16", "text": "the red cube. No. No. The giant cube."}, {"end": "01:42:25", "start": "01:42:20", "text": "Okay. Don't know about that. I saw that"}, {"end": "01:42:27", "start": "01:42:22", "text": "movie, the Age of Disclosure, and that"}, {"end": "01:42:28", "start": "01:42:25", "text": "was mentioned in there. Yeah. I didn't"}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:27", "text": "know anything about I hadn't seen the"}, {"end": "01:42:33", "start": "01:42:28", "text": "film. Okay. I just know what I said."}, {"end": "01:42:36", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "Yeah. The two hours two plus hours that"}, {"end": "01:42:37", "start": "01:42:33", "text": "I I talked about. My goodness."}, {"end": "01:42:39", "start": "01:42:36", "text": "Yeah. Those would be good podcasts to"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:37", "text": "release as well, I'm sure, in in their"}, {"end": "01:42:43", "start": "01:42:39", "text": "entirety. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:42:45", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "All right. Uh John, we're gonna hop to"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:43", "text": "some audience questions. Thanks so much"}, {"end": "01:42:48", "start": "01:42:45", "text": "for indulging all of my questions, but"}, {"end": "01:42:49", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "we're going to get to uh some"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:48", "text": "interesting audience questions. Do you"}, {"end": "01:42:54", "start": "01:42:49", "text": "want to give me a second? I'm going to"}, {"end": "01:42:56", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "turn on that camera back here."}, {"end": "01:42:57", "start": "01:42:54", "text": "So, for the people that don't know, uh"}, {"end": "01:43:00", "start": "01:42:56", "text": "if you become a member here on this"}, {"end": "01:43:03", "start": "01:42:57", "text": "channel, we refer to you as interns or"}, {"end": "01:43:06", "start": "01:43:00", "text": "operatives depending on um you know,"}, {"end": "01:43:08", "start": "01:43:03", "text": "what level you opt in on. But you do as"}, {"end": "01:43:10", "start": "01:43:06", "text": "an operative have the opportunity to ask"}, {"end": "01:43:12", "start": "01:43:08", "text": "the guest a question. These are"}, {"end": "01:43:16", "start": "01:43:10", "text": "prevetted and I've selected them. Uh"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:12", "text": "give I give everyone 24 hours heads up"}, {"end": "01:43:22", "start": "01:43:16", "text": "and uh right behind me these will be the"}, {"end": "01:43:22", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "questions. So"}, {"end": "01:43:26", "start": "01:43:23", "text": "oh this is good. Actually we were going"}, {"end": "01:43:29", "start": "01:43:24", "text": "to touch on this and we we forgot to. So"}, {"end": "01:43:29", "start": "01:43:26", "text": "perfect."}, {"end": "01:43:41", "start": "01:43:35", "text": "question is, what convinced you the 2027"}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:38", "text": "revelation had to be made public despite"}, {"end": "01:43:47", "start": "01:43:41", "text": "your background in secrecy from Hubby?"}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:44", "text": "Well, first of all, um, I didn't bring"}, {"end": "01:43:52", "start": "01:43:47", "text": "that up in the environment I talked"}, {"end": "01:43:53", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "about. It was a skiff. Mhm. There were"}, {"end": "01:43:56", "start": "01:43:52", "text": "government officials there that brought"}, {"end": "01:43:59", "start": "01:43:53", "text": "it up and I didn't give it much thought"}, {"end": "01:44:03", "start": "01:43:56", "text": "because 2027 was mostly talked about in"}, {"end": "01:44:05", "start": "01:43:59", "text": "the uh channeling community and I don't"}, {"end": "01:44:07", "start": "01:44:03", "text": "really follow the channel community in"}, {"end": "01:44:09", "start": "01:44:05", "text": "any kind of depth. Yeah. Like Bashar"}, {"end": "01:44:11", "start": "01:44:07", "text": "recently talks about it a lot right and"}, {"end": "01:44:14", "start": "01:44:09", "text": "I'm surprised that they are talking"}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:11", "text": "about it but um that question did come"}, {"end": "01:44:19", "start": "01:44:14", "text": "up that discussion came up and I telling"}, {"end": "01:44:23", "start": "01:44:17", "text": "you what I told them is I have no idea."}, {"end": "01:44:26", "start": "01:44:19", "text": "Mhm. I don't know. Um, you should ask"}, {"end": "01:44:29", "start": "01:44:23", "text": "the channelers about it. Ask Chris Bleo,"}, {"end": "01:44:31", "start": "01:44:26", "text": "ask Anelie Schultz. Um, any channeler,"}, {"end": "01:44:34", "start": "01:44:29", "text": "you know, just talk to them. They seem"}, {"end": "01:44:37", "start": "01:44:31", "text": "to know something. I don't, but they"}, {"end": "01:44:39", "start": "01:44:34", "text": "press me for my opinion. Mhm. And it's"}, {"end": "01:44:42", "start": "01:44:37", "text": "just an opinion, right, of something"}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:39", "text": "that is out in social media. Sure. All"}, {"end": "01:44:48", "start": "01:44:42", "text": "right. So, it's not secret in any sense."}, {"end": "01:44:51", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "Yeah. it's just a topic that's coming up"}, {"end": "01:44:54", "start": "01:44:48", "text": "in the public domain. So, I gave them my"}, {"end": "01:44:55", "start": "01:44:51", "text": "opinion and I said, \"Well, I don't know,"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:54", "text": "but"}, {"end": "01:45:00", "start": "01:44:55", "text": "what is your hope? What What do you hope"}, {"end": "01:45:03", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "for in 27?\" You know, that kind of"}, {"end": "01:45:05", "start": "01:45:00", "text": "phrasing. So, well, my personal hope is"}, {"end": "01:45:07", "start": "01:45:03", "text": "that"}, {"end": "01:45:08", "start": "01:45:05", "text": "maybe they'll show up. I don't know."}, {"end": "01:45:10", "start": "01:45:07", "text": "Maybe maybe the NHI will show up in"}, {"end": "01:45:13", "start": "01:45:08", "text": "2027."}, {"end": "01:45:17", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "That's my hope. Let's just call it a"}, {"end": "01:45:20", "start": "01:45:13", "text": "year they show up. the arrival year,"}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:17", "text": "let's say, and let's say they do arrive."}, {"end": "01:45:24", "start": "01:45:20", "text": "Well, wouldn't it behoove you guys in"}, {"end": "01:45:28", "start": "01:45:22", "text": "government to start disclosing what you"}, {"end": "01:45:30", "start": "01:45:24", "text": "guys know about the phenomenon now? And"}, {"end": "01:45:33", "start": "01:45:28", "text": "this is in 2022,"}, {"end": "01:45:37", "start": "01:45:30", "text": "five years from now, if they do show up,"}, {"end": "01:45:40", "start": "01:45:33", "text": "then people won't won't be like"}, {"end": "01:45:43", "start": "01:45:37", "text": "fearful or surprised or you know, yeah,"}, {"end": "01:45:46", "start": "01:45:40", "text": "you won't have this catastrophic"}, {"end": "01:45:49", "start": "01:45:43", "text": "revelation coming forward. Prepare now"}, {"end": "01:45:54", "start": "01:45:46", "text": "the people share all the information you"}, {"end": "01:45:56", "start": "01:45:49", "text": "can so that if they the NHI show up Mhm."}, {"end": "01:45:58", "start": "01:45:54", "text": "then we are prepared for it because I"}, {"end": "01:46:02", "start": "01:45:56", "text": "told them you guys don't control"}, {"end": "01:46:05", "start": "01:45:58", "text": "disclosure. They do. They can show up"}, {"end": "01:46:08", "start": "01:46:02", "text": "tomorrow."}, {"end": "01:46:10", "start": "01:46:05", "text": "Very true. That's a very good point."}, {"end": "01:46:12", "start": "01:46:08", "text": "What are you going to say then? Oh,"}, {"end": "01:46:15", "start": "01:46:10", "text": "shoot. Yeah, we knew about this for like"}, {"end": "01:46:16", "start": "01:46:12", "text": "since, you know, after World War II."}, {"end": "01:46:18", "start": "01:46:15", "text": "We're sorry we didn't tell you about it."}, {"end": "01:46:21", "start": "01:46:16", "text": "We lied to you about it. That's not a"}, {"end": "01:46:25", "start": "01:46:18", "text": "good optic there. Reveal what you know"}, {"end": "01:46:28", "start": "01:46:21", "text": "now. Yeah. So, it's not a secret."}, {"end": "01:46:31", "start": "01:46:25", "text": "There's no secret about 2027. So, the"}, {"end": "01:46:33", "start": "01:46:28", "text": "environment was actually a skiff, but a"}, {"end": "01:46:35", "start": "01:46:31", "text": "skiff is you don't have to have a top"}, {"end": "01:46:38", "start": "01:46:33", "text": "secret clearance to walk into a skiff."}, {"end": "01:46:40", "start": "01:46:35", "text": "You can walk into a skiff, but you can"}, {"end": "01:46:44", "start": "01:46:38", "text": "only talk about unclassified things in a"}, {"end": "01:46:46", "start": "01:46:40", "text": "skiff, right? It's up to top secret. And"}, {"end": "01:46:48", "start": "01:46:44", "text": "anything below that and below that is"}, {"end": "01:46:51", "start": "01:46:46", "text": "unclassified. And this is nothing of of"}, {"end": "01:46:54", "start": "01:46:48", "text": "any kind of classification, hearsay. At"}, {"end": "01:46:56", "start": "01:46:51", "text": "this point, I I would say hearsay is a a"}, {"end": "01:46:57", "start": "01:46:54", "text": "good way to phrase it. Yeah. But I don't"}, {"end": "01:46:59", "start": "01:46:56", "text": "I don't know what's going to happen in"}, {"end": "01:47:03", "start": "01:46:57", "text": "2027. The only thing I'm concerned about"}, {"end": "01:47:05", "start": "01:46:59", "text": "in 2027 is I'm a big NFL fan. I love"}, {"end": "01:47:07", "start": "01:47:03", "text": "American football, right? And I know in"}, {"end": "01:47:09", "start": "01:47:05", "text": "2027 that my favorite team, the"}, {"end": "01:47:14", "start": "01:47:07", "text": "Washington Commanders, will be the host"}, {"end": "01:47:16", "start": "01:47:09", "text": "team for the NHL uh NFL draft in"}, {"end": "01:47:17", "start": "01:47:14", "text": "Washington DC in 2027. I plan to be"}, {"end": "01:47:19", "start": "01:47:16", "text": "there. So that's a big deal. That's a"}, {"end": "01:47:21", "start": "01:47:17", "text": "big deal to So, so that's what's"}, {"end": "01:47:23", "start": "01:47:19", "text": "happening in 2027. You heard it here"}, {"end": "01:47:25", "start": "01:47:21", "text": "first. Washington Commanders is the host"}, {"end": "01:47:28", "start": "01:47:23", "text": "team for the NFL draft in Washington DC"}, {"end": "01:47:30", "start": "01:47:25", "text": "in 2027. Yeah. And I hope to be there. I"}, {"end": "01:47:34", "start": "01:47:28", "text": "can tell you for sure we will not be"}, {"end": "01:47:37", "start": "01:47:30", "text": "asking you about 2027 in 2028."}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:34", "text": "So that that that you can you can take"}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:37", "text": "to the bank. Um here's another one here."}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "Don't see who this is from here, but"}, {"end": "01:47:58", "start": "01:47:54", "text": "this is uh many experiences believe"}, {"end": "01:48:00", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "entities are angelic or demonic. Are"}, {"end": "01:48:02", "start": "01:47:58", "text": "both true or is one group being lied to"}, {"end": "01:48:03", "start": "01:48:00", "text": "in your opinion? I don't label them as"}, {"end": "01:48:06", "start": "01:48:02", "text": "angelic or demonic, so I don't know how"}, {"end": "01:48:10", "start": "01:48:03", "text": "to answer this. Um, yeah, for me,"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:06", "text": "they're just entities that showed up and"}, {"end": "01:48:15", "start": "01:48:10", "text": "interacted with me. I personally had"}, {"end": "01:48:18", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "only one I would call bad but not"}, {"end": "01:48:21", "start": "01:48:15", "text": "demonic experience and that experience"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:18", "text": "was with a reptilian like being that"}, {"end": "01:48:27", "start": "01:48:21", "text": "showed up in in my condo when I lived in"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "Washington DC. Can you talk us through"}, {"end": "01:48:33", "start": "01:48:27", "text": "that? Sure. I was really pissed off um"}, {"end": "01:48:35", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "because it woke me up and it came toward"}, {"end": "01:48:39", "start": "01:48:33", "text": "me and I got up out of bed and started"}, {"end": "01:48:41", "start": "01:48:35", "text": "punching it with this right fist as hard"}, {"end": "01:48:43", "start": "01:48:39", "text": "as I can."}, {"end": "01:48:44", "start": "01:48:41", "text": "uh cursing at it or whatever just"}, {"end": "01:48:47", "start": "01:48:43", "text": "because it was bothering me. I wanted to"}, {"end": "01:48:50", "start": "01:48:44", "text": "go to sleep and it grabbed my arm and"}, {"end": "01:48:53", "start": "01:48:47", "text": "then I have no memory after that. But I"}, {"end": "01:48:57", "start": "01:48:50", "text": "woke up in the morning with claw marks"}, {"end": "01:48:59", "start": "01:48:53", "text": "on my right forearm. Now a"}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:57", "text": "debunker would say, \"Oh, you just had a"}, {"end": "01:49:05", "start": "01:48:59", "text": "nightmare and you scratched yourself.\""}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "I don't think so because after that uh"}, {"end": "01:49:10", "start": "01:49:05", "text": "incident happened uh on further nights"}, {"end": "01:49:14", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "and this happens like I would be woken"}, {"end": "01:49:16", "start": "01:49:10", "text": "up around between 3 and 4 let's say 3:30"}, {"end": "01:49:19", "start": "01:49:14", "text": "and I would look over on one side of the"}, {"end": "01:49:23", "start": "01:49:16", "text": "bedroom there and there would be a cloud"}, {"end": "01:49:26", "start": "01:49:19", "text": "a green cloud with little white sparkles"}, {"end": "01:49:29", "start": "01:49:23", "text": "in that cloud and I got a sense of"}, {"end": "01:49:32", "start": "01:49:26", "text": "protection from it you know that oh you"}, {"end": "01:49:35", "start": "01:49:29", "text": "know we're here to protect you go back"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:32", "text": "to sleep, you're fine. We're here for"}, {"end": "01:49:38", "start": "01:49:35", "text": "protection. And so that was my"}, {"end": "01:49:42", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "experience then. And you know, that"}, {"end": "01:49:43", "start": "01:49:38", "text": "didn't last. Um eventually that cloud"}, {"end": "01:49:46", "start": "01:49:42", "text": "didn't show up and I never encountered"}, {"end": "01:49:49", "start": "01:49:43", "text": "that being again. But that's that's the"}, {"end": "01:49:51", "start": "01:49:46", "text": "only like somewhat What What was this"}, {"end": "01:49:54", "start": "01:49:49", "text": "being wearing? Was it wearing anything?"}, {"end": "01:49:56", "start": "01:49:51", "text": "I don't No, I I it may have been a"}, {"end": "01:49:58", "start": "01:49:54", "text": "uniform or something, but I just knew"}, {"end": "01:50:01", "start": "01:49:56", "text": "that its face was very much what we"}, {"end": "01:50:03", "start": "01:49:58", "text": "would call reptilian. reptilian. Wow."}, {"end": "01:50:05", "start": "01:50:01", "text": "Yeah. It's not like a lizard. It didn't"}, {"end": "01:50:08", "start": "01:50:03", "text": "have a snout like a lizard or anything"}, {"end": "01:50:11", "start": "01:50:05", "text": "like that, but it looked like someone"}, {"end": "01:50:14", "start": "01:50:08", "text": "who had reptilian"}, {"end": "01:50:17", "start": "01:50:11", "text": "DNA or reptilian heritage and their"}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:14", "text": "bloodline. It was upright, you know,"}, {"end": "01:50:23", "start": "01:50:17", "text": "walking bipedal. Didn't talk to you at"}, {"end": "01:50:25", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "all. No, not telepathically. Nothing."}, {"end": "01:50:26", "start": "01:50:23", "text": "No. No. But I definitely was young and"}, {"end": "01:50:28", "start": "01:50:25", "text": "screaming. I did it. What was it doing"}, {"end": "01:50:30", "start": "01:50:26", "text": "to try and wake you up? I don't know."}, {"end": "01:50:32", "start": "01:50:28", "text": "Mhm. I don't know. It was just there"}, {"end": "01:50:34", "start": "01:50:30", "text": "invading your space. Invading my space."}, {"end": "01:50:37", "start": "01:50:32", "text": "And that that really made me mad for"}, {"end": "01:50:40", "start": "01:50:34", "text": "some reason. I just felt anger at it,"}, {"end": "01:50:43", "start": "01:50:37", "text": "but no fear. Well, other other uh"}, {"end": "01:50:45", "start": "01:50:40", "text": "entities have come up were more benign."}, {"end": "01:50:47", "start": "01:50:43", "text": "I mean, they were just checking up on"}, {"end": "01:50:49", "start": "01:50:45", "text": "me. You've had interactions with"}, {"end": "01:50:52", "start": "01:50:47", "text": "separate entities as well. Just two"}, {"end": "01:50:55", "start": "01:50:49", "text": "types that one reptilian Yeah. entity"}, {"end": "01:50:57", "start": "01:50:52", "text": "I would say reptilian like. Yeah. Uh and"}, {"end": "01:50:59", "start": "01:50:55", "text": "the other I can't identify because it"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:57", "text": "was shrouded. It was wearing a cloak. A"}, {"end": "01:51:05", "start": "01:50:59", "text": "hood. A hood. Yeah. A cloak and a hood."}, {"end": "01:51:08", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "How tall? Um I was lying down, but it"}, {"end": "01:51:11", "start": "01:51:05", "text": "was like I would say like five feet."}, {"end": "01:51:13", "start": "01:51:08", "text": "Okay. You know, not they're not small"}, {"end": "01:51:17", "start": "01:51:11", "text": "and they're not super tall. They're not"}, {"end": "01:51:20", "start": "01:51:13", "text": "Nordic. Yeah. But um it was a shrouded"}, {"end": "01:51:21", "start": "01:51:17", "text": "wearing wearing a a cloak, a hood, and"}, {"end": "01:51:26", "start": "01:51:20", "text": "kind of shrouded. I couldn't see its"}, {"end": "01:51:29", "start": "01:51:21", "text": "face. Um, I looked at it as carefully as"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:26", "text": "I could and I seemed to show some"}, {"end": "01:51:36", "start": "01:51:29", "text": "features, but they they were more it it"}, {"end": "01:51:40", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "seemed like it had like facial features"}, {"end": "01:51:41", "start": "01:51:36", "text": "like a humanoid, but not humanoid."}, {"end": "01:51:43", "start": "01:51:40", "text": "Not like what people describe as Nordic,"}, {"end": "01:51:47", "start": "01:51:41", "text": "which is very humanlike. It wasn't like"}, {"end": "01:51:50", "start": "01:51:43", "text": "that. So human humanlike, but not quite."}, {"end": "01:51:51", "start": "01:51:47", "text": "Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. And and these are"}, {"end": "01:51:53", "start": "01:51:50", "text": "the beings that I encountered more"}, {"end": "01:51:56", "start": "01:51:51", "text": "often. You've this has happened more"}, {"end": "01:51:59", "start": "01:51:53", "text": "than once. Oh yes. These are my beings"}, {"end": "01:52:02", "start": "01:51:56", "text": "that visit me. Really? Um and the most"}, {"end": "01:52:05", "start": "01:51:59", "text": "current um time I've was visited was in"}, {"end": "01:52:06", "start": "01:52:02", "text": "in the Tucson area where I live. I just"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:05", "text": "moved uh away from Charlotte, North"}, {"end": "01:52:12", "start": "01:52:06", "text": "Carolina. Moved into the Tucson area and"}, {"end": "01:52:14", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "they showed up one night and they just I"}, {"end": "01:52:15", "start": "01:52:12", "text": "woke up and they go, \"Oh, don't don't"}, {"end": "01:52:19", "start": "01:52:14", "text": "mind us. We just want to let you know"}, {"end": "01:52:23", "start": "01:52:15", "text": "that we know you moved.\" And so yeah."}, {"end": "01:52:24", "start": "01:52:19", "text": "Whoa. Creepy. You're you're fine. We"}, {"end": "01:52:26", "start": "01:52:23", "text": "know you moved. We just want to let you"}, {"end": "01:52:27", "start": "01:52:24", "text": "know we know you moved. What are some"}, {"end": "01:52:28", "start": "01:52:26", "text": "other interactions that you've had with"}, {"end": "01:52:30", "start": "01:52:27", "text": "them? Have they talked to you? Have they"}, {"end": "01:52:32", "start": "01:52:28", "text": "given you information? Have they not"}, {"end": "01:52:33", "start": "01:52:30", "text": "really? No. They just show up. They just"}, {"end": "01:52:36", "start": "01:52:32", "text": "show up and they just It seemed like I"}, {"end": "01:52:38", "start": "01:52:33", "text": "was examined or somehow, you know, they"}, {"end": "01:52:40", "start": "01:52:36", "text": "I get the feeling we're just checking up"}, {"end": "01:52:42", "start": "01:52:38", "text": "on you. Go back to sleep. You're fine."}, {"end": "01:52:44", "start": "01:52:40", "text": "We're just checking to see you're fine."}, {"end": "01:52:47", "start": "01:52:42", "text": "You know, that kind of thing. It was"}, {"end": "01:52:50", "start": "01:52:44", "text": "almost like monitoring me to see how it"}, {"end": "01:52:52", "start": "01:52:47", "text": "was. Do you feel that you were"}, {"end": "01:52:54", "start": "01:52:50", "text": "potentially part of some hybridization"}, {"end": "01:52:58", "start": "01:52:52", "text": "program? Don't know. Is that the feeling"}, {"end": "01:53:01", "start": "01:52:54", "text": "you get? All I know is that I used to"}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:58", "text": "have nose bleeds a lot. Right nostril"}, {"end": "01:53:05", "start": "01:53:01", "text": "nose bleeds. Been having them since"}, {"end": "01:53:08", "start": "01:53:03", "text": "childhood."}, {"end": "01:53:11", "start": "01:53:05", "text": "Um,"}, {"end": "01:53:12", "start": "01:53:08", "text": "and I just thought that, you know, I was"}, {"end": "01:53:15", "start": "01:53:11", "text": "just susceptible to nose bleeds. Maybe"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:12", "text": "the air is dry or whatever. I never"}, {"end": "01:53:21", "start": "01:53:15", "text": "associated it with any kind of NHI kind"}, {"end": "01:53:24", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "of calls, but I had that at work"}, {"end": "01:53:26", "start": "01:53:21", "text": "at CIA and I was reaching uh my nose"}, {"end": "01:53:29", "start": "01:53:24", "text": "started bleeding at work and I had some"}, {"end": "01:53:32", "start": "01:53:26", "text": "a box of tissues on the top shelf in my"}, {"end": "01:53:36", "start": "01:53:29", "text": "cubicle. I was reaching for that chairs"}, {"end": "01:53:39", "start": "01:53:32", "text": "had wheels, office chairs, rolled back"}, {"end": "01:53:42", "start": "01:53:36", "text": "and I landed flat on my back"}, {"end": "01:53:43", "start": "01:53:39", "text": "and my co-workers were shocked and I oh"}, {"end": "01:53:47", "start": "01:53:42", "text": "my gosh, what happened to John? you"}, {"end": "01:53:48", "start": "01:53:43", "text": "know, they called medical um and the uh"}, {"end": "01:53:53", "start": "01:53:47", "text": "protective officers showed up, uniform"}, {"end": "01:53:55", "start": "01:53:48", "text": "protective officers. Um we call them spo"}, {"end": "01:53:58", "start": "01:53:53", "text": "security protection officers and"}, {"end": "01:54:00", "start": "01:53:55", "text": "uniform. Um they showed up to escort a"}, {"end": "01:54:01", "start": "01:53:58", "text": "um medical people. I think it was a"}, {"end": "01:54:04", "start": "01:54:00", "text": "nurse or something. They put me on a"}, {"end": "01:54:07", "start": "01:54:01", "text": "gurnie and off I go to office of medical"}, {"end": "01:54:11", "start": "01:54:04", "text": "services on the first floor and um I was"}, {"end": "01:54:13", "start": "01:54:07", "text": "examined by a doctor. Um, first they"}, {"end": "01:54:17", "start": "01:54:11", "text": "took an X-ray."}, {"end": "01:54:19", "start": "01:54:13", "text": "I took an X-ray and they got the results"}, {"end": "01:54:23", "start": "01:54:17", "text": "of the X-ray and they go, \"Have you ever"}, {"end": "01:54:26", "start": "01:54:19", "text": "had a bad accident?\""}, {"end": "01:54:29", "start": "01:54:23", "text": "Said, \"No.\" So they, \"Looks like you had"}, {"end": "01:54:31", "start": "01:54:26", "text": "an accident. Did you ever have surgery?\""}, {"end": "01:54:32", "start": "01:54:29", "text": "\"No.\""}, {"end": "01:54:34", "start": "01:54:31", "text": "And then said, \"Well, let's look at your"}, {"end": "01:54:38", "start": "01:54:32", "text": "nose.\" And so I lay back down and they"}, {"end": "01:54:40", "start": "01:54:34", "text": "looked at my nose, you know, and they"}, {"end": "01:54:44", "start": "01:54:38", "text": "go, \"Have you ever had surgery in your"}, {"end": "01:54:46", "start": "01:54:40", "text": "nostril?\" \"No.\" And I said, \"Why? Why do"}, {"end": "01:54:49", "start": "01:54:44", "text": "you say that?\" Cuz there's a surgical"}, {"end": "01:54:52", "start": "01:54:46", "text": "cut deep in your nostril. It is a"}, {"end": "01:54:55", "start": "01:54:49", "text": "surgical cut"}, {"end": "01:54:58", "start": "01:54:52", "text": "as if I was operated on. Wow. And oh,"}, {"end": "01:55:01", "start": "01:54:55", "text": "there's some debris there. Can we remove"}, {"end": "01:55:04", "start": "01:54:58", "text": "that debris? And sure, whatever. do"}, {"end": "01:55:05", "start": "01:55:01", "text": "whatever you want and and so let me call"}, {"end": "01:55:07", "start": "01:55:04", "text": "my colleagues. So there were two doctors"}, {"end": "01:55:11", "start": "01:55:05", "text": "now and the other doctor the second"}, {"end": "01:55:13", "start": "01:55:07", "text": "doctor looked in my nose. Oh yeah. And"}, {"end": "01:55:14", "start": "01:55:11", "text": "then they go off and had a sidebar"}, {"end": "01:55:16", "start": "01:55:13", "text": "leaving me out of the conversation at"}, {"end": "01:55:19", "start": "01:55:14", "text": "the CIA. Yeah. Office of Medical"}, {"end": "01:55:21", "start": "01:55:16", "text": "Services. They were talking sidebar."}, {"end": "01:55:24", "start": "01:55:19", "text": "They came back and said, \"Yeah, we we"}, {"end": "01:55:27", "start": "01:55:21", "text": "want can we extract that this debris?\""}, {"end": "01:55:30", "start": "01:55:24", "text": "Sure. Go ahead. Okay. and we'll extract"}, {"end": "01:55:32", "start": "01:55:27", "text": "it and then we'll we'll we'll cauterize,"}, {"end": "01:55:34", "start": "01:55:30", "text": "you know, we'll they did something to a"}, {"end": "01:55:37", "start": "01:55:32", "text": "nose to close that surgical wound or"}, {"end": "01:55:39", "start": "01:55:34", "text": "whatever to stop it from bleeding. I"}, {"end": "01:55:42", "start": "01:55:37", "text": "don't know what happened to it um at"}, {"end": "01:55:45", "start": "01:55:39", "text": "all. Um and off they go. They had a"}, {"end": "01:55:47", "start": "01:55:42", "text": "sample of whatever they collected. They"}, {"end": "01:55:49", "start": "01:55:45", "text": "closed the wound. Didn't have any nose"}, {"end": "01:55:51", "start": "01:55:47", "text": "bleeds after that. That's the good news."}, {"end": "01:55:54", "start": "01:55:49", "text": "So, here I am retired. We're going to"}, {"end": "01:55:57", "start": "01:55:51", "text": "retire. It's in the month of September"}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:54", "text": "of 20, 2009"}, {"end": "01:56:00", "start": "01:55:57", "text": "and I had uh plans to retire on"}, {"end": "01:56:03", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "September the 30th. That was going to be"}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:56:00", "text": "my last day. So I was going out check"}, {"end": "01:56:07", "start": "01:56:03", "text": "checkout list, right? You got to go here"}, {"end": "01:56:11", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "check out they even go to the library to"}, {"end": "01:56:12", "start": "01:56:07", "text": "make sure you don't owe library fines"}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:11", "text": "cuz they find you. If you check out a"}, {"end": "01:56:16", "start": "01:56:12", "text": "book from the CIA library and you don't"}, {"end": "01:56:18", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "return on time, they find you. Okay. So"}, {"end": "01:56:20", "start": "01:56:16", "text": "yeah, you're clear for that. D and so"}, {"end": "01:56:23", "start": "01:56:18", "text": "security go there. Oh my gosh, you have"}, {"end": "01:56:26", "start": "01:56:20", "text": "what? Over two dozen compartments. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:56:28", "start": "01:56:23", "text": "Yeah, I was in the DS&T. What can I say?"}, {"end": "01:56:31", "start": "01:56:26", "text": "People in the DS&T seem to gather a lot"}, {"end": "01:56:32", "start": "01:56:28", "text": "of compartments. Um so forth and so on."}, {"end": "01:56:35", "start": "01:56:31", "text": "And then I went to medical services and"}, {"end": "01:56:37", "start": "01:56:32", "text": "they were going to uh check off on that"}, {"end": "01:56:40", "start": "01:56:35", "text": "that I reported to medical services."}, {"end": "01:56:44", "start": "01:56:37", "text": "Then I go, \"Oh, by the way, can I get I"}, {"end": "01:56:47", "start": "01:56:40", "text": "had something done here um way back when"}, {"end": "01:56:50", "start": "01:56:44", "text": "um and by then it was um oh like 10"}, {"end": "01:56:54", "start": "01:56:47", "text": "years has have passed and can I get"}, {"end": "01:56:56", "start": "01:56:50", "text": "those records?\" I said, \"Sorry, um your"}, {"end": "01:56:59", "start": "01:56:54", "text": "medical records are classified. You"}, {"end": "01:57:02", "start": "01:56:56", "text": "cannot have them.\""}, {"end": "01:57:03", "start": "01:56:59", "text": "Okay. Wait, they classified your own"}, {"end": "01:57:05", "start": "01:57:02", "text": "medical records? They told me, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:57:07", "start": "01:57:03", "text": "you do not have access to your medical"}, {"end": "01:57:10", "start": "01:57:05", "text": "records. You do not. That That doesn't"}, {"end": "01:57:12", "start": "01:57:07", "text": "make sense. It doesn't make sense. Um,"}, {"end": "01:57:14", "start": "01:57:10", "text": "so I couldn't get my medical records cuz"}, {"end": "01:57:15", "start": "01:57:12", "text": "I want to see what they found or if"}, {"end": "01:57:17", "start": "01:57:14", "text": "there anything in there. They extracted"}, {"end": "01:57:20", "start": "01:57:15", "text": "something. Now, I understand they don't"}, {"end": "01:57:24", "start": "01:57:17", "text": "give you your security file at all that"}, {"end": "01:57:26", "start": "01:57:20", "text": "they keep because um when you go through"}, {"end": "01:57:28", "start": "01:57:24", "text": "CIA reinvestigations, they talk to your"}, {"end": "01:57:30", "start": "01:57:26", "text": "friends and colleagues and neighbors and"}, {"end": "01:57:31", "start": "01:57:28", "text": "they do the whole nine yards thing."}, {"end": "01:57:33", "start": "01:57:30", "text": "Yeah. And it could be detrimental"}, {"end": "01:57:36", "start": "01:57:31", "text": "information from a colleague. Sure."}, {"end": "01:57:38", "start": "01:57:33", "text": "saying, \"Yeah, do you know, you know,"}, {"end": "01:57:40", "start": "01:57:36", "text": "John likes to drink too much and I was"}, {"end": "01:57:41", "start": "01:57:38", "text": "at a party and he was drunk.\" You know,"}, {"end": "01:57:44", "start": "01:57:40", "text": "there could be stuff like that in there."}, {"end": "01:57:46", "start": "01:57:41", "text": "Mhm. Not that I drank too much or any"}, {"end": "01:57:48", "start": "01:57:44", "text": "less. Yeah. But, you know, there's"}, {"end": "01:57:50", "start": "01:57:46", "text": "detrimental information from your your"}, {"end": "01:57:52", "start": "01:57:48", "text": "colleagues, could be friends or"}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:50", "text": "whatever, girlfriends."}, {"end": "01:57:56", "start": "01:57:52", "text": "Yeah. So, all that's in there. So, they"}, {"end": "01:57:59", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "keep that and that's that's there I"}, {"end": "01:58:02", "start": "01:57:56", "text": "think for 75 years. I understand. Okay."}, {"end": "01:58:04", "start": "01:57:59", "text": "Yeah. So, you know, 75 years from 2009,"}, {"end": "01:58:06", "start": "01:58:02", "text": "you can look at my security file maybe"}, {"end": "01:58:08", "start": "01:58:04", "text": "if you foil it. Um, but my medical"}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:06", "text": "records someone given me. That's one."}, {"end": "01:58:12", "start": "01:58:08", "text": "So, years later, let me advance this"}, {"end": "01:58:16", "start": "01:58:10", "text": "story."}, {"end": "01:58:18", "start": "01:58:12", "text": "Um, Jim Seivan, I knew that he had an"}, {"end": "01:58:20", "start": "01:58:16", "text": "implant. He told me private conversation"}, {"end": "01:58:24", "start": "01:58:18", "text": "before I came out in public. This is"}, {"end": "01:58:25", "start": "01:58:20", "text": "before I came out in public. I knew he"}, {"end": "01:58:27", "start": "01:58:24", "text": "was an experiencer. I knew he had that"}, {"end": "01:58:29", "start": "01:58:25", "text": "encounter which he now freely talks"}, {"end": "01:58:32", "start": "01:58:27", "text": "about. So I knew that background of his"}, {"end": "01:58:36", "start": "01:58:29", "text": "implants and I told him my experience"}, {"end": "01:58:38", "start": "01:58:32", "text": "and so he connected me to a a former CIA"}, {"end": "01:58:40", "start": "01:58:36", "text": "doctor who told me that if you ever"}, {"end": "01:58:42", "start": "01:58:38", "text": "mention my name I will deny that I know"}, {"end": "01:58:44", "start": "01:58:40", "text": "you. Okay. What's his name? I'm not"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:42", "text": "going to mention his name. He'll deny"}, {"end": "01:58:49", "start": "01:58:44", "text": "that I know him. So I promise I won't"}, {"end": "01:58:54", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "mention your name. Okay. You get one"}, {"end": "01:58:56", "start": "01:58:49", "text": "guess. Um but you know he's let's talk"}, {"end": "01:58:58", "start": "01:58:54", "text": "I'll get you in touch with him. So, this"}, {"end": "01:59:00", "start": "01:58:56", "text": "doctor, a for former CIA doctor,"}, {"end": "01:59:02", "start": "01:58:58", "text": "interviewed me over the phone. I didn't"}, {"end": "01:59:04", "start": "01:59:00", "text": "see him or anything. Um, but he"}, {"end": "01:59:06", "start": "01:59:02", "text": "interviewed me and we went through my"}, {"end": "01:59:09", "start": "01:59:04", "text": "life history and so forth. And he found"}, {"end": "01:59:11", "start": "01:59:06", "text": "it interesting that I had Cherokee"}, {"end": "01:59:14", "start": "01:59:09", "text": "heritage, my great-grandmother on my"}, {"end": "01:59:16", "start": "01:59:11", "text": "father's side, who's Cherokee, Cherokee"}, {"end": "01:59:18", "start": "01:59:14", "text": "woman. And he said, \"Well, my gosh, I"}, {"end": "01:59:19", "start": "01:59:16", "text": "got to put you in a special file here.\""}, {"end": "01:59:22", "start": "01:59:18", "text": "He said, \"Why is that?\" He says, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:59:25", "start": "01:59:19", "text": "there's a almost a one toone correlation"}, {"end": "01:59:28", "start": "01:59:22", "text": "between experiencers and two heritages."}, {"end": "01:59:30", "start": "01:59:25", "text": "One is Cherokee Indian."}, {"end": "01:59:35", "start": "01:59:28", "text": "The other is Celtic"}, {"end": "01:59:37", "start": "01:59:30", "text": "and for some reason like experiencers in"}, {"end": "01:59:40", "start": "01:59:35", "text": "who were special operators for the"}, {"end": "01:59:42", "start": "01:59:37", "text": "military or intelligence officers, they"}, {"end": "01:59:43", "start": "01:59:40", "text": "either have Celtic heritage or Cherokee"}, {"end": "01:59:45", "start": "01:59:42", "text": "Indian heritage and they have"}, {"end": "01:59:48", "start": "01:59:43", "text": "experiences with the phenomena. Well,"}, {"end": "01:59:51", "start": "01:59:45", "text": "that's interesting. Right. So, I told"}, {"end": "01:59:52", "start": "01:59:48", "text": "him about my my"}, {"end": "01:59:55", "start": "01:59:51", "text": "um"}, {"end": "01:59:57", "start": "01:59:52", "text": "what they did and he said, \"Well, here's"}, {"end": "01:59:59", "start": "01:59:55", "text": "what you do."}, {"end": "02:00:04", "start": "01:59:57", "text": "You can use my full name. You can here's"}, {"end": "02:00:07", "start": "01:59:59", "text": "my social security number and here is um"}, {"end": "02:00:10", "start": "02:00:04", "text": "just tell them that you know me and that"}, {"end": "02:00:13", "start": "02:00:07", "text": "uh I'm still have a contract or some"}, {"end": "02:00:15", "start": "02:00:10", "text": "kind of way to go back to the"}, {"end": "02:00:18", "start": "02:00:13", "text": "intelligence community.\" Sure. let them"}, {"end": "02:00:21", "start": "02:00:15", "text": "know and ask them"}, {"end": "02:00:22", "start": "02:00:18", "text": "do a a HIPPO waiver that is you know"}, {"end": "02:00:25", "start": "02:00:21", "text": "that you can release the files your"}, {"end": "02:00:28", "start": "02:00:22", "text": "medical files to a third party usually"}, {"end": "02:00:30", "start": "02:00:25", "text": "another medical professional have say"}, {"end": "02:00:32", "start": "02:00:28", "text": "you wave your HIPPA and release your"}, {"end": "02:00:35", "start": "02:00:30", "text": "files to me but I won't be able to tell"}, {"end": "02:00:38", "start": "02:00:32", "text": "you what's in them but at least I have"}, {"end": "02:00:40", "start": "02:00:35", "text": "it so okay so that was the end of that"}, {"end": "02:00:43", "start": "02:00:38", "text": "story so he has them I imagine so"}, {"end": "02:00:46", "start": "02:00:40", "text": "because I did request John that's so"}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:43", "text": "messed Uh, yeah. I I I don't know. This"}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:46", "text": "your medical file. Yeah, but it's it's I"}, {"end": "02:00:54", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "can't get my medical files. That makes"}, {"end": "02:00:56", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "no sense to me. I asked Jim Seivan said,"}, {"end": "02:00:58", "start": "02:00:54", "text": "\"Were you able to get your medical"}, {"end": "02:01:02", "start": "02:00:56", "text": "files?\" No."}, {"end": "02:01:06", "start": "02:00:58", "text": "Good luck. No. So, both of you had"}, {"end": "02:01:09", "start": "02:01:02", "text": "implants taken essentially. Yeah. Well,"}, {"end": "02:01:11", "start": "02:01:06", "text": "Jim is public about his he knew that um"}, {"end": "02:01:14", "start": "02:01:09", "text": "I think it was done by a third party"}, {"end": "02:01:16", "start": "02:01:11", "text": "that's not associated with CIA, right?"}, {"end": "02:01:19", "start": "02:01:14", "text": "There's another doctor. You get one"}, {"end": "02:01:20", "start": "02:01:16", "text": "guess for that doctor's name who works"}, {"end": "02:01:22", "start": "02:01:19", "text": "with the CIA doctor. Okay. Just gave"}, {"end": "02:01:24", "start": "02:01:20", "text": "away who they are, but you do your own"}, {"end": "02:01:26", "start": "02:01:22", "text": "research. I'm not going to mention their"}, {"end": "02:01:28", "start": "02:01:24", "text": "names. They asked me not to, but you"}, {"end": "02:01:30", "start": "02:01:26", "text": "know, that's the way he got his removed"}, {"end": "02:01:33", "start": "02:01:28", "text": "and my understanding is his wife had"}, {"end": "02:01:36", "start": "02:01:30", "text": "one, too, and she kept hers in. So,"}, {"end": "02:01:40", "start": "02:01:33", "text": "implants are real. Yeah, implants are"}, {"end": "02:01:42", "start": "02:01:36", "text": "real. That's one thing to a takeaway."}, {"end": "02:01:43", "start": "02:01:40", "text": "Yeah, it's not a conspiracy theory. And"}, {"end": "02:01:47", "start": "02:01:42", "text": "hybrids are real. That's not a"}, {"end": "02:01:47", "start": "02:01:43", "text": "conspiracy theory."}, {"end": "02:01:52", "start": "02:01:47", "text": "And you you said I mean you saying"}, {"end": "02:01:54", "start": "02:01:50", "text": "hybrids are real. That's not a"}, {"end": "02:01:56", "start": "02:01:52", "text": "conspiracy theory. That is not based on"}, {"end": "02:02:00", "start": "02:01:54", "text": "the symposium that you went to. That is"}, {"end": "02:02:02", "start": "02:01:56", "text": "based on other intel."}, {"end": "02:02:04", "start": "02:02:00", "text": "Mhm. That you can't talk about. That's"}, {"end": "02:02:06", "start": "02:02:02", "text": "correct. I cannot talk about that. Okay,"}, {"end": "02:02:07", "start": "02:02:04", "text": "I'm going to show you a picture here of"}, {"end": "02:02:12", "start": "02:02:06", "text": "uh there's this lady that reached out to"}, {"end": "02:02:14", "start": "02:02:07", "text": "me. Uh shout out to Sheila. We had a"}, {"end": "02:02:15", "start": "02:02:12", "text": "phone call."}, {"end": "02:02:19", "start": "02:02:14", "text": "Um"}, {"end": "02:02:19", "start": "02:02:15", "text": "and check this out."}, {"end": "02:02:27", "start": "02:02:22", "text": "That looks like a tooth. This is a"}, {"end": "02:02:29", "start": "02:02:25", "text": "tooth. Uh-huh."}, {"end": "02:02:33", "start": "02:02:27", "text": "Wow. How about that? That's in the"}, {"end": "02:02:37", "start": "02:02:29", "text": "jawbone. Wow."}, {"end": "02:02:40", "start": "02:02:33", "text": "the and the dentist who saw this little"}, {"end": "02:02:42", "start": "02:02:37", "text": "diddy and this is clearly like that's"}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:40", "text": "not a random object. It's got like a"}, {"end": "02:02:46", "start": "02:02:42", "text": "little antenna on it or something. See"}, {"end": "02:02:52", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "that little appendage that looks like an"}, {"end": "02:02:54", "start": "02:02:46", "text": "antenna? And um the the dentist was like"}, {"end": "02:02:56", "start": "02:02:52", "text": "floored. He's like in my 30 years I've"}, {"end": "02:02:58", "start": "02:02:54", "text": "never seen this. He's like did you feel"}, {"end": "02:03:01", "start": "02:02:56", "text": "it? She's like, \"No, but I had all these"}, {"end": "02:03:04", "start": "02:02:58", "text": "dreams of like these things, you know,"}, {"end": "02:03:05", "start": "02:03:01", "text": "taking me and bringing me in.\" So, it"}, {"end": "02:03:06", "start": "02:03:04", "text": "started to make a lot of sense for her."}, {"end": "02:03:08", "start": "02:03:05", "text": "But that dentist was like, \"I don't know"}, {"end": "02:03:10", "start": "02:03:06", "text": "what to do with this.\" And he couldn't"}, {"end": "02:03:12", "start": "02:03:08", "text": "He's like, \"I could never get that out.\""}, {"end": "02:03:14", "start": "02:03:10", "text": "Oh, yeah. She still has it. Oh, yeah."}, {"end": "02:03:16", "start": "02:03:12", "text": "Oh, yeah. Can't get it out. He's a"}, {"end": "02:03:18", "start": "02:03:14", "text": "30-year dentist. He's like, I can't I"}, {"end": "02:03:20", "start": "02:03:16", "text": "would not even try to get that out. It"}, {"end": "02:03:22", "start": "02:03:18", "text": "would be incredibly painful. And like"}, {"end": "02:03:24", "start": "02:03:20", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. And yet she doesn't feel it."}, {"end": "02:03:26", "start": "02:03:22", "text": "Yeah. It's in the bone itself. That's"}, {"end": "02:03:29", "start": "02:03:24", "text": "why. Yeah. Yeah. She's had multiple"}, {"end": "02:03:32", "start": "02:03:26", "text": "X-rays, too. Yeah. And so, yeah, when I"}, {"end": "02:03:34", "start": "02:03:29", "text": "see things like that, I go, that's,"}, {"end": "02:03:37", "start": "02:03:32", "text": "you know, it's interesting. That's to"}, {"end": "02:03:38", "start": "02:03:34", "text": "say the least. All right, let's get one"}, {"end": "02:03:40", "start": "02:03:37", "text": "more question out of the way here. Last"}, {"end": "02:03:41", "start": "02:03:38", "text": "question for for you and then we'll let"}, {"end": "02:03:44", "start": "02:03:40", "text": "you go. John, you've been so awesome"}, {"end": "02:03:47", "start": "02:03:41", "text": "answering all these questions."}, {"end": "02:03:51", "start": "02:03:44", "text": "Um, oh, this is cool. This is a cute"}, {"end": "02:03:51", "start": "02:03:47", "text": "question from Gina."}, {"end": "02:03:57", "start": "02:03:53", "text": "Yeah, maybe you have an opinion on this,"}, {"end": "02:03:59", "start": "02:03:54", "text": "maybe you don't."}, {"end": "02:04:02", "start": "02:03:57", "text": "Gina asks, \"What do you think of the"}, {"end": "02:04:04", "start": "02:03:59", "text": "authenticity of the Lerta file?\" Are you"}, {"end": "02:04:06", "start": "02:04:02", "text": "familiar with this? I heard of the"}, {"end": "02:04:08", "start": "02:04:04", "text": "Lertafile. I can't claim to be very"}, {"end": "02:04:11", "start": "02:04:06", "text": "familiar with it. If you refresh my"}, {"end": "02:04:13", "start": "02:04:08", "text": "memory, so it is this guy in Sweden who"}, {"end": "02:04:15", "start": "02:04:11", "text": "apparently had a conversation with a"}, {"end": "02:04:18", "start": "02:04:13", "text": "reptilian female. Uhhuh. Uh and then she"}, {"end": "02:04:22", "start": "02:04:15", "text": "goes into like all sorts of details on"}, {"end": "02:04:24", "start": "02:04:18", "text": "physics and interactions with beings or"}, {"end": "02:04:27", "start": "02:04:22", "text": "anything. Are you familiar with that at"}, {"end": "02:04:29", "start": "02:04:24", "text": "all or No, I am not. So I No opinion. I"}, {"end": "02:04:30", "start": "02:04:27", "text": "can't answer that question thoroughly."}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:29", "text": "I'm sorry. No, that's fair. I'll give"}, {"end": "02:04:37", "start": "02:04:30", "text": "you mine. Um I think there I am higher"}, {"end": "02:04:40", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "conviction"}, {"end": "02:04:43", "start": "02:04:37", "text": "than I was when I was reading it that"}, {"end": "02:04:45", "start": "02:04:40", "text": "this might have happened."}, {"end": "02:04:47", "start": "02:04:43", "text": "Um, but that conviction still remains"}, {"end": "02:04:51", "start": "02:04:45", "text": "pretty low. Mhm. It's just higher than"}, {"end": "02:04:52", "start": "02:04:47", "text": "it was, probably 20% at this point. But"}, {"end": "02:04:54", "start": "02:04:51", "text": "really interesting stuff uh was brought"}, {"end": "02:04:56", "start": "02:04:52", "text": "up. If you ever have a chance to look"}, {"end": "02:04:58", "start": "02:04:54", "text": "into it, it's fun read. Mhm. As a piece"}, {"end": "02:05:00", "start": "02:04:56", "text": "of fiction, highly entertaining, you"}, {"end": "02:05:02", "start": "02:04:58", "text": "know, and if you take it as truth, I"}, {"end": "02:05:05", "start": "02:05:00", "text": "mean, obviously worlds shattering, but"}, {"end": "02:05:07", "start": "02:05:02", "text": "All right. Well, John, um, where can"}, {"end": "02:05:11", "start": "02:05:05", "text": "people find you? Where can people not"}, {"end": "02:05:14", "start": "02:05:07", "text": "physically, but online? Well, um I only"}, {"end": "02:05:18", "start": "02:05:11", "text": "have uh one uh public social media"}, {"end": "02:05:20", "start": "02:05:14", "text": "presence and that's an X. Okay. And uh"}, {"end": "02:05:23", "start": "02:05:18", "text": "my X handle I I actually used one of the"}, {"end": "02:05:26", "start": "02:05:20", "text": "radars that the X this is the radar that"}, {"end": "02:05:29", "start": "02:05:23", "text": "actually tracked uh these objects that"}, {"end": "02:05:32", "start": "02:05:26", "text": "uh raise the alert level, these domes of"}, {"end": "02:05:34", "start": "02:05:29", "text": "light. Yeah. On the Russian side. Um,"}, {"end": "02:05:41", "start": "02:05:32", "text": "it's uh"}, {"end": "02:05:45", "start": "02:05:34", "text": "Pura P E C H O R A LPAR L P A R Pura"}, {"end": "02:05:47", "start": "02:05:41", "text": "Alpar. Yeah, it's Pura largeed phase"}, {"end": "02:05:52", "start": "02:05:45", "text": "array radar. Okay. And so yeah, that's"}, {"end": "02:05:55", "start": "02:05:47", "text": "the radar that detected um uh UAP and"}, {"end": "02:05:56", "start": "02:05:52", "text": "that uh caused the deputy secretary of"}, {"end": "02:05:59", "start": "02:05:55", "text": "defense to wonder what the hell is going"}, {"end": "02:06:01", "start": "02:05:56", "text": "on with the Russians. That's what with"}, {"end": "02:06:04", "start": "02:05:59", "text": "this radar. That's a fun That's a fun"}, {"end": "02:06:08", "start": "02:06:01", "text": "Easter egg. Also sounds like a spell in"}, {"end": "02:06:10", "start": "02:06:04", "text": "Harry Potter. Bura Elpar. Uh John"}, {"end": "02:06:12", "start": "02:06:08", "text": "Ramirez, you're an absolute gem. It was"}, {"end": "02:06:14", "start": "02:06:10", "text": "so nice getting to know you. Uh so nice"}, {"end": "02:06:17", "start": "02:06:12", "text": "chatting with you. Thank you for gracing"}, {"end": "02:06:19", "start": "02:06:14", "text": "us with your presence and uh being very"}, {"end": "02:06:20", "start": "02:06:17", "text": "open and candid with with all of your"}, {"end": "02:06:21", "start": "02:06:19", "text": "answers both personal and"}, {"end": "02:06:23", "start": "02:06:20", "text": "professionally. I really really"}, {"end": "02:06:24", "start": "02:06:21", "text": "appreciate it. Thank you. Well, you're"}, {"end": "02:06:27", "start": "02:06:23", "text": "welcome and uh thanks very much for your"}, {"end": "02:06:29", "start": "02:06:24", "text": "hospitality here. Um, I love this town"}, {"end": "02:06:32", "start": "02:06:27", "text": "that you're in and it's it's really"}, {"end": "02:06:34", "start": "02:06:29", "text": "lovely. Um, and uh, I look forward to"}, {"end": "02:06:36", "start": "02:06:32", "text": "all of this being over actually. I mean,"}, {"end": "02:06:39", "start": "02:06:34", "text": "I just do I wish the NHA would do"}, {"end": "02:06:41", "start": "02:06:36", "text": "something. Just end it all for us. Just"}, {"end": "02:06:43", "start": "02:06:39", "text": "show up. Yeah. I don't know if they will"}, {"end": "02:06:45", "start": "02:06:41", "text": "or not. Or just government disclose"}, {"end": "02:06:47", "start": "02:06:43", "text": "something. Well, if you ever talk to any"}, {"end": "02:06:50", "start": "02:06:45", "text": "of them, tell them that they got an open"}, {"end": "02:06:51", "start": "02:06:47", "text": "spot here on the podcast. We'd love to"}, {"end": "02:06:53", "start": "02:06:50", "text": "have them in the skiff. All right."}, {"end": "02:06:57", "start": "02:06:51", "text": "Thanks, John."}, {"end": "02:07:13", "start": "02:06:53", "text": "Oh, and that's it, sir."}, {"end": "02:07:13", "start": "02:06:57", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "Hey, my name is Josh. When I was about"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "11 years old, I was in my living room."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "It was about 1:00 a.m. Everybody else in"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "the house was asleep, and all of a"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "sudden, I started seeing like a orange"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "glow outside of my front window. We"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "lived right next to an airport, so I"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "really didn't think much of anything of"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "it. Well, the glow started getting"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "brighter and brighter and brighter, and"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "I started hearing a low hum. Um, and it"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "wasn't like an electronic hum that I've"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "heard before. So, I kind of started"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "freaking out a little bit, like, what's"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "going on? Is there a helicopter getting"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "close to my apartment? You know, I just"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "really didn't know. So, I got up and"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "looked outside and what I saw was a"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "discshaped"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "object hovering probably about 4 or 500"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "ft"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "away from the apartment up in the sky."}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Chris"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "Ramsey and welcome back to yet another"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "episode of Debriefed. And today we are"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "going to be continuing our readthrough"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "of the alien interview by Lawrence R."}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "Spencer. Uh, allegedly 1947, this nurse"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "was given permission or she was the only"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "one able to communicate with the last"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "surviving alien that crashed at Roswell"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "and since then has sent her notes to the"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "author here. And he took the transcripts"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "verbatim and published them here. And"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "this is basically a discussion between a"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "person and an alien. And the alien uh"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "known as Errol, who identifies as an"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "Isby, an Isby being the spirit that"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "inhabits all living sentient beings,"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "including ourselves, has revealed to us"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "that they've been monitoring and"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "visiting Earth for thousands of years."}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "And Arrol, as a matter of fact, is over,"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "I think, close to half a billion years"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "old. I don't know. This story gets a"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "little wild. And starting now it gets"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "even wilder. 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So, all of the interns"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "actually got these videos early. If you"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "want to do that, go ahead and do that."}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "Folks, we paid the bills. It is time to"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "continue with our read through. Let's"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "get into it. Yeah, we left off talking"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "about how space travel technologies"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "started 80 trillion years ago. Yeah, I"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "guess quick little reminder to check the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "disbelief at the door at least for the"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "next hour or so. You know, it'll be"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "right where you left it when you choose"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "to pick it back up. But I often like"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "reminding people that, you know, you you"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "don't have to be religious to read the"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "Bible. And you you don't have to be a"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "physicist to read physics books."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "Although you probably have to be a"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "physics physicist to understand what's"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "in the physics books, but you can read"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "them without becoming a physicist,"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "right? And that's kind of what this is"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "about. We're reading something that"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "might be fiction, but that doesn't mean"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "we have to believe it. This whole"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "believe it or don't believe it thing"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "frankly annoys me a little bit. You"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "know, when people are like, \"Do you"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "believe in that or do you not believe in"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "that?\" Or, \"I don't believe this guy. I"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "believe that guy. This guy's lying. I"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "don't believe him. He's telling the"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "truth.\" Just it's information. Take it"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "in. Don't believe anything. Don't not"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "believe anything. Why do you have to"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "commit to something? Why is everything"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "so binary? Just absorb the"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "information and that's it. Only when we"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "have a strong conviction about something"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "do we become defensive about that"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "stance. And that's usually what we're"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "seeing in these arguments in the"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "community and everything else. So, you"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "know, just just take it take take it as"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "information. All right, let's go. Errol"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "described the abilities of an Isby"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "officer of the domain to me and she"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "demonstrated one to me when she"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "contacted telepathically a"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "communications officer of the domain who"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "is stationed in the asteroid belt. Whoa."}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "So, she's got Arrol's got some type of"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "instant Wi-Fi, you know, communication"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "going here with uh with the domain in"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "the asteroid belt. The asteroid belt is"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "composed of thousands of broken up"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "pieces of a planet that once existed"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "between Mars and Jupiter. It serves as a"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "good lowgravity jumping off point for"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "incoming spacecraft traveling toward the"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "center of our"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "galaxy. She requested that this officer"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "consult information stored in the files"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "of the domain concerning the history of"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "Earth. She asked the communications"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "officer to feed this information to"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Arrol. The communications officer"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "immediately complied with the request."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Based on the information stored in the"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "files of the domain, Errol was able to"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "give me a brief overview or history"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "lesson. This is what Errol told me that"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "the domain had observed about the"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "history of Earth. Okay, here we go. She"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "told me that the domain expeditionary"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "force first entered the Milky Way galaxy"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "very recently, only about 10,000 years"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "ago. Their first action was to conquer"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "the home planets of the Old Empire."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "This is not the official name, but a"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "nickname given to the conquered"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "civilization by the domain forces, the"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "old empire that served as the seat of"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "central government for this galaxy and"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "other adjoining regions of space. These"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "planets are located in the star systems"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "in the tail of the big dipper"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "constellation. She did not mention which"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "stars exactly. About 1500 years later,"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "the domain began the installation bases"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "for their forces along the path of"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "invasion, which led towards the center"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "of this galaxy and beyond. About 8,200"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "years ago, the domain forces set up a"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "base on Earth in the Himalaya mountains"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "near the border of modern Pakistan and"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "Afghanistan. This was a base for a"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "battalion of the domain expeditionary"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "force which included about 3,000"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "members."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "This is sounding a lot more like Star"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "Wars. And you know that the beauty about"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "Star Wars and the reason why I think it"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "gained so much popularity is because at"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "some level it resonates true with with"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "our own perspective of what the universe"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "or what the galaxies might be like if"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "they were inhabited by, you know, an"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "empire. And that's the one thing I will"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "say about this topic in particular,"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "especially when I hear about the"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "Galactic Federation and things like"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "that. Like I want nothing more, let's be"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "clear, than for all of this to be"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "real. I mean, if this is real, then it's"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "then to some extent Jedi Force and"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "lightsabers are real, right? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "where are we going to draw the line"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "here? All right. They set up a base"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "under or inside the top of a mountain."}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "The mountain was drilled into and made"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "hollow to create an area large enough to"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "house the ships and personnel of that"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "force. An electronic illusion of the"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "mountaintop was created to hide the base"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "by projecting a false image from inside"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "the mountain against a force screen. The"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "ships could then enter and exit through"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "the force screen yet remain unseen by"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "homo sapiens. This is interesting"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "because Lerta in the Lerta files which"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "we've read which was a reptilian who you"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "know they said they lived underground"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "they also had something similar wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "force screen necessarily unless we're"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "talking about the same thing but I think"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "the one that Lucerta described was"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "something that interfaced with human"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "beings perception of things. So they"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "didn't actually have to distort anything"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "visually. They just had to distort the"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "impression of it in our minds. Shortly"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "after they settled there, the base was"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "surprised by an attack from a remnant of"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "the military forces of the old empire."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "Unbeknouncsted to the domain, a hidden"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "underground base on Mars operated by the"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "old empire had existed for a very long"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "time. The domain base was wiped out by"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "the military attack from the Mars base"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "and the Isbes of the domain"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "expeditionary force were captured."}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "You can imagine that the domain was very"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "upset about losing such a large force of"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "officers and crew. So they sent other"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "crews to Earth to look for them. Those"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "crews were also attacked. The captured"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "isbes from the domain forces were"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "handled in the same fashion as all other"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "Isbes who have been sent to Earth. They"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "were each given"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "amnesia, had their memories replaced"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "with false pictures and hypnotic"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "commands, and sent to Earth to inhabit"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "biological"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "bodies. They are still a part of the"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "human population today. Whoa. Hold on a"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "second. Wait, what? What are we talking"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "about here? Are we saying"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "that some of these isbes are among us"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "and they don't know it?"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "Whoa. After a very persistent and"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "extensive investigation into the loss of"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "their crews, the domain discovered that"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "Old Empire had been operating a very"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "extensive and carefully hidden base of"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "operations in this part of the galaxy"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "for millions of years. No one knows"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "exactly how long. Eventually, the"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "spacecraft of the old Empire forces and"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "the domain engaged each other in open"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "combat in the space of the solar system."}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "I wonder if this could be the war that"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "Lerta was also referring to, but I feel"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "like that war was much older, but"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "perhaps this is No, actually it was that"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "because it was like the younger dest,"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "right? It was like 10,000 years ago or"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "something like that. According to Arrol,"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "there was a running battle between the"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "Old Empire forces and the domain until"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "about 1235"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "AD when the domain forces finally"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "destroyed the last spacecraft of the old"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "empire. The domain expeditionary force"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "lost so many of its own ships in this"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "area during that time. Also, about a"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "thousand years later, the Old Empire"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "base was discovered by accident in the"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "spring of 1914."}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "The discovery was made when the body of"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "an arch duke of Austria was taken over"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "in quotes by an officer of the domain"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "expeditionary force. This officer who"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "was stationed in the asteroid belt was"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "sent to Earth on a routine mission to"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "gather reconnaissance. Okay, hold on."}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "So, they sent one of the Isby spirits"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "down to take over this Archduke of"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "Austria. Now, we got a footnote here."}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "I'm curious to know who this"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "archduke might be. France Ferdinand."}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "Whoa. Okay. He was an Archduke of"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Austria, Prince of Imperial of Austria,"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "and Prince Royal of Hungary in Bohemia."}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "But here we go. 1914, June 28th at 11:15"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "a.m. France Ferdinand and his wife were"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "killed in Sievo. The event known as the"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "assassination Sievo, which triggered"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "World War I. So, the purpose of the"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "takeover was to use the body as a"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "disguise through which to infiltrate"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "human society in order to gather"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "information about current events on"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "Earth. The officer as an isby having"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "greater power than the being inhabiting"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "the body of the archduke simply pushed"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "the being out and took control of the"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "body. Whoa. Really treating them like"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "puppets. However, this officer did not"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "realize how much Hapsburg were hated by"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "feuding factions in the country. So, he"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "was caught off guard when the body of"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "the archduke was assassinated by a"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "Bosnian student. The officer or Isby was"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "suddenly knocked out of the body when it"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "was shot by the assassin. Disoriented,"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "the Isby inadvertedly penetrated one of"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "the amnesia force screens and was"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "captured. Oh, okay. So, the Isby leaves"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "the body of the arch duke, penetrates"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "the force"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "screen, gets"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "captured by I'm guessing the the Empire."}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "Eventually, the domain discovered that a"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "wide area of space is monitored by an"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "electronic force field which controls"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "all of the isbes in the end of the"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "galaxy in this end of the galaxy"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "including Earth. The electronic force"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "screen is designed to detect isbes and"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "prevent them from leaving this"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "area."}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "Whoa. If an Isby attempts to penetrate"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "the force screen, it captures them in a"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "kind of electronic net. The result is"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "that the captured Isby is subjected to a"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "very severe brainwashing treatment which"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "erases the memory of the Isby. This"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "process uses a tremendous electrical"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "shock just like Earth psychiatrists use"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "electric shock therapy to erase the"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "memory and personality of a patient and"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "to make them more"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "cooperative. Whoa, that's crazy."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "So like anyone who dies when their"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "spirit goes, they're zapped if they go"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "past this"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "barrier and then their memories are once"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "again erased and they have to go back."}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "On Earth, this therapy use uses only a"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "few hundred volts of electricity."}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "However, the electrical voltage used by"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "the old empire operation against"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "Isby is in the on the order of magnitude"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "of billions of volts. This tremendous"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "shock completely wipes out all memory of"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "the Isby. The memory eraser is not just"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "for one life or one body. It wipes out"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "all of the accumulated experiences of a"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "nearly infinite past as well as the"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "identity of the Isby. The shock is"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "intended to make it impossible for the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "Isby to remember who they are, where"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "they came from, their knowledge or"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "skills, their memory of the past, and"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "ability to function as a spiritual"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "entity. They are overwhelmed into"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "becoming a mindless robotic non-"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "entity. Whoa. So, they're out here"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "creating"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "NPCs is what I'm gathering from this."}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "But only if you sort of go out of line."}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "only if you try to escape the matrix."}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "Which is wild"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "because if you have seen the recent"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "interview featuring Matt Brown, a"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "whistleblower, this interview was"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "conducted by George Knapp and Jeremy"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "Corbel on his show Weaponized. It was a"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "three-part series, very fascinating, but"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "this guy came across the documents now"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "known, you know, now presented to"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "Congress as Immaculate Constellation,"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "which we've covered. If you want to see"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "uh the entire readthrough of that"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "document, very fascinating. go and check"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "that out. But he does mention a few"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "cryptic things. I think humanity to some"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "level is a resource for them. Possibly a"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "commodity,"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "possibly form of entertainment,"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "possibly medical"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "related. We live in the"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "matrix. You are not free."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "And this reality has far more to it than"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "you have been allowed to believe."}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "But that matrix comment really gels with"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "what we're talking about here. It"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "also really coaleses with, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "container"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "idea. I don't like the sound of this."}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "All right, let's keep reading. After the"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "shock, a series of post-hypnotic"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "suggestions are are used to install"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "false memories and a false time"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "orientation in each isby. This includes"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "the command to return to the base after"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "the body dies so that the same kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "shock and hypnosis can be done again and"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "again again"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "forever. The hypnotic command also tells"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "the patient to forget to remember."}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "What the domain learned from the"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "experience of this officer is that the"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "old empire has been using Earth as a"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "prison planet for a very long time."}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "Exactly how long is unknown, perhaps"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "millions of"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "Whoa. What's interesting about this"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "theory, because I've heard this theory"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "before, but it's almost like the sort of"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "karmic circle that we're trying to"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "escape, but we keep having to sort of"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "relive something. Um, I've also"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "heard people remote viewers I think have"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "looked into this as well and have found"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "something some technology suppressing"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "the soul somehow. I don't even know,"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "right? It's very fringe stuff, but I've"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "heard like when you pass and you see the"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "light, that's actually like a whole"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "that's a ruse, right? That's like don't"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "go towards it cuz that's maybe what this"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "is."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Whoa. It's crazy to think about, dude."}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "That's so dark. You know, one thing I"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "always think about"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "is what is so"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "dark that when somebody finds out what"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "the secret of the phenomenon"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "is,"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "they refuse to share it with others."}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "What is that? How can it be so bad?"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "Because if it's"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "good, then there's no reason to keep it"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "secret, right? And I think Matt Brown"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "talks about that as well. There's no"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "reason to keep it secret if it's"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "good. So, okay, let's say it is"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "bad. It's got to be pretty"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "bad in order to keep it like that much"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "of a secret because I think pe the"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "public could handle aliens. Complete"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "speculation and they could be wrong, you"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "know, but I'm saying as a thought"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "experiment, what would that be? And I"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "think the scariest thing that I could"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "possibly imagine is when you're free of"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "the physical body and you go"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "beyond and you think, \"Oh, this is, you"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "know, I leave the"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "matrix that that's still"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "them.\" I don't know if I like"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "that. Whoa. Yeah, that would be enough"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "for uh to drive people mad, but hey,"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "what are you gonna do?"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "If that is the case, I mean whatever,"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "you know, what do you want to do? So"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "when the body of an isby dies, they"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "depart from the body. They are detected"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "by the force screen. They are captured"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "and ordered by hypnotic command to"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "return to the light. Yep, there you go."}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "The idea of heaven and the afterlife are"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "part of the hypnotic suggestion, a part"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "of the treachery that makes the whole"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "mechanism work."}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "Whoa, crazy."}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "But also, if you give me heaven or"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "afterlife, be it real or fake. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "if I don't know the difference, you"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "know, ignorance is bliss, but that would"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "suck. After the Isby has been shocked"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "and hypnotized to erase the memory of"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "the life they just lived, the Isby is"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "immediately commanded hypnotically to"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "report back to Earth as though they were"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "on a secret mission to inhabit a new"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "body. Each is told that they have a"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "special purpose for being on Earth. But"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "of course, there is no purpose for being"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "in a prison. At least not for the"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "prisoner. Whoa. I don't like this. I"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "don't I don't like if this is I don't"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "like this at all. If this is what's"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "going on, this is not cool. Don't do"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "that, old"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "empire. Quit it. Any undesirable isbes"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "who are sentenced to Earth were"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "classified as untouchable by the Old"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "Empire. This included anyone that the"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "Old Empire judged to be criminals who"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "are too vicious to be reformed or"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "subdued as well as other criminals such"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "as sexual perverts or beings unwilling"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "to do any productive"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "work. So a literal prison planet like"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "they're sending prisoners here. An"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "untouchable classification of isbes also"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "includes a wide variety of political"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "prisoners. This includes isbes who are"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "considered to be non-compliant"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "freethinkers or revolutionaries who make"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "trouble for the governments of the"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "various planets of the old empire. Of"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "course, anyone with a previous military"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "record against the old empire is also"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "shipped off to Earth. A list of"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "untouchables include artists, painters,"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "singers, musicians, writers, actors, and"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "performers of every kind. For this"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "reason, Earth has more artists per"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "capita than any other planet in the Old"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "Empire. Now, that's something I can get"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "behind, folks. Part of this is like nice"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "and neatly packaged, I will say, as"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "well, you know, for the reader, as in"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "we're like, \"Yeah, but we can't all be"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "prisoners.\" And then like the next"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "sentence is like, \"No, but there's also"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "really cool artists and really freeth"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "thinkers and like and we're like, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "that's me.\" Everybody's like, \"That's"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "me. That's me.\" You know? So it is I do"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "understand you know the fiction side of"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "it but again I will say for someone who"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "you know I think Lawrence R Spencer is a"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "fiction obviously a non-fiction or"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "science fiction writer but the depth of"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "lore here I mean it's really really deep"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "and I don't want to call you know"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "Lawrence an amateur writer because I"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "don't think he's an amateur writer but I"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "mean this is so deep it's easy to chalk"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "it up to oh this guy just made it up."}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "But kudos if you made it up because this"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "is a really"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "well-rounded hypothetical universe that"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "this person's created. And I think that"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "deserves merit in and of itself."}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "Untouchables also include intellectuals,"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "inventors, and geniuses in almost every"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "field. Since everything the old empire"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "considers valuable has long since been"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "invented or created over the last few"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "trillion years, they have no further use"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "for such beings. This includes skilled"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "managers also which are not needed in a"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "society of obedient robotic citizens."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "We're trapped with all the Kairens here"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "folks. Anyone who is not willing or able"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "to submit to mindless economic,"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "political, and religious servitude as a"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "taxpaying worker in the class system of"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "the old empire are untouchable and"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "sentenced to receive memory wipeout and"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "permanent imprisonment on Earth."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "The net result is that the Isby is"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "unable to escape because they can't"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "remember who they are, where they came"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "from, or where they are. They've been"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "hypnotized to think they're someone,"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "something, sometime, and somewhere other"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "than where they really are. The domain"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "officer, who is assassinated while in"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "the body of Archduke of Austria, was"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "likewise captured by the old empire"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "force. Because this particular officer"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "was a high-powered Isby compared to"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "most, he was taken away to a secret old"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "empire base under the surface of the"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "planet Mars. They put him into a special"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "electronic prison cell and held him"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "there. Fortunately, this domain officer"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "was able to escape from the underground"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "base after 27 years in captivity. When"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "he escaped from the old Empire base, he"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "returned immediately to his own base in"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "the asteroid belt. His commanding"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "officer ordered that a battle cruiser be"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "dispatched to the coordinates of the"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "base provided by his officer and to"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "destroy that base completely. This old"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "Empire base was located a few hundred"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "miles north of the equator on Mars in"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "the Sidonia"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "region. It is interesting just um right"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "here because this is all just notes."}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "This is all"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "apparently Matilda's translation of the"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "being's telepathic communications to"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "her. Pretty pretty intense and extensive"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "and like rather detailed, I would say,"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "like almost a little too detailed. You"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "know what I mean? This is turning slowly"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "into just like just a book and and less"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "of a"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "transcript. You feel me on that? Maybe"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "I'm just looking for a reason for this"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "not to be true at this point. You know,"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "I might I might be"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "But uh still fascinating man. Although"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "the military base of the old empire was"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "destroyed, unfortunately most of the"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "vast machinery of the ISB force screens,"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "the electroshock amnesia hypnosis"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "machinery continues to function in other"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "discovered locations right up to the"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "present moment. The main base or control"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "center for this mind control prison"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "operation has never been"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "found. So the influences of this base or"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "bases are still in effect."}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "The domain has observed that since the"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "old empire space forces were destroyed,"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "there is no one left to actively prevent"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "the planetary systems from bringing"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "their own untouchable isbes to Earth"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "from all over this galaxy and from other"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "galaxies nearby. Therefore, Earth has"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "become a universal dumping ground for"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "this entire region of space. Now, this"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "is ringing true. This is kind of hitting"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "home."}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "This in part explains the very unusual"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "mix of races, cultures, languages, moral"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "codes, religious and political"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "influences among the ISBY population on"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "Earth. The number and variety of"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "heterogeneous societies on Earth are"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "extremely unusual on a normal planet."}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "Most sun type 12 class 7 planets are"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "inhabited by only one humanoid body type"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "or race, if any."}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "In addition, most of the ancient"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "civilizations of Earth and many of the"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "events of Earth have been heavily"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "influenced by the hidden hypnotic"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "operation of the Old Empire base. So"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "far, no one has figured out exactly"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "where and how this operation is run or"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "by whom because it is so heavily"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "protected by screens and traps."}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "Furthermore, there's been no operation"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "undertaken to seek out, discover, and"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "destroy the vast and ancient networks of"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "electronics machinery that create the"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "ISB force screens at this end of the"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "galaxy. Until this has been done, we are"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "not able to prevent or interrupt the"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "electric shock operation, hypnosis, and"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "remote thought control of the old Empire"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "prison planet. Of course, all of the"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "crew members of the domain expeditionary"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "force now remain aware of this phenomena"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "at all times while operating in this"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "solar system space so as to prevent"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "detection and the capture by old empire"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "traps. Huh? I don't know how y'all are"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "feeling about this, but I'm feeling a"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "little I don't like it. You know what I"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "mean? But at the same time, it feels"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "like there is hope in this universe,"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "right? Perhaps this uh secret war going"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "on between governments or ungovernmented"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "factions of special forces. Perhaps"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "what's happening right now is is they're"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "trying to get a hold of this base and"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "destroy it. You know, that would be a"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "cool thing. I would love for that to be"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "the secret. You know, this whole time"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "we're thinking, \"No, the US government"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "is completely nefarious and they are"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "hiding things from us for our"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "detriment.\" when in reality they're"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "actually fighting this secret war trying"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "to free our souls. That would be such a"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "cool plot for a movie. Oh my"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "god. We"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "proceed to the chunkier half of this"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "read through. Chapter 8, a lesson in"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "recent"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "history. Matilda's personal note and the"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "only little note that exists. This"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "interview taught me a history lesson I"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "will never read in any textbook written"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "on Earth. The domain has a much"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "different view of events than we do."}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "I've been reading a few prison planet"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "comments before this video and expected"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "to see it in this read through, but uh"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "even knowing what I was getting into is"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "still kind of upsetting. The domain"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "expeditionary force has observed a"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "resurgence in science and culture of the"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "western world since 1150 AD when the"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "remaining remnants of the space fleet of"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "the old empire in this solar system were"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "destroyed. The influence of the remote"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "control hypnosis operation diminished"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "slightly after that time but still"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "remains largely in force."}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "Apparently, a small amount of damage was"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "done to the Old Empire remote mind"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "control operation which resulted in a"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "small decrease in the power of this"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "mechanism. As a result, some memory of"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "technologies that is bees already knew"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "before they came to Earth started to be"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "remembered. Thereafter, the oppression"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "of knowledge that is called the dark"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "ages in Europe began to diminish after"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "that time. Whoa. So they're saying the"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "dark ages was a direct result of this"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "hypnotic sort of suppression tool that"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "the old empire had implemented. You know"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "the one thing I find interesting is that"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "they say they said prior that the"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "memories the shock was so strong that it"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "would completely erase and obliterate"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "people's memory of their almost infinite"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "existence. And now we take down a few of"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "these things and suddenly oh memories"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "coming back. Is it is it this this"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "suppression system that's keeping the"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "memories from coming back or is it this"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "electronic shock that's completely"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "erasing them? Or is it a mix of both? I"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "don't know. Since then, the knowledge of"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "the basic laws of physics and"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "electricity have revolutionized Earth"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "culture virtually overnight. The ability"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "to remember technology by many of the"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "geniuses in the Isby population of Earth"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "was partially restored when not so"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "actively suppressed as it was before"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "1150. Sir Isaac Newton is one of the"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "best examples of this. In only a few"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "decades, he single-handedly reinvented"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "several major and fundamental scientific"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "and mathematical disciplines. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "Nicola Tesla would be a great example of"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "that. I think, you know, this guy was"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "just literally getting information from"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "somewhere else. Maybe he was just an"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "officer Isby, you know, doing his job."}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "An officer of the domain, I should say."}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "The men who remembered these sciences"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "already knew them before they were sent"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "to Earth. Ordinarily, no one would ever"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "observe or discover as much about"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "science and mathematics in a single"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "lifetime, or even in a few hundred"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "lifetimes. These subjects have taken"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "civilizations billions and billions of"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "years to"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "create. Isbes on Earth have only just"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "begun to remember small fragments of all"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "the technologies that exist throughout"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "the universe. Theoretically, if the"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "amnesia mechanisms being used against"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "Earth could be broken entirely, isbes"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "would regain all of their"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "memory. See, that seems to be such like"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "a happy ending like type deal. It's"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "like, what is it, man? Are you erasing"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "all of her memory or is it this thing"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "suppressing them and destroying them"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "would free us all? This it sounds too"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "much like a Hollywood plot at this"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "point. I'm not trying to be a hater but"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "again I don't quite like the idea of"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "this. So that's why I'm all right just I"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "like the idea of this old empire. Okay."}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "Unfortunately similar advances have not"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "been seen in the humanities as the isbes"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "of earth continue to behave very badly"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "towards each other. This behavior,"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "however, is heavily influenced by the"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "hypnotic commands given to each isby"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "between lifetimes. And the very unusual"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "combination of inmates on Earth,"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "criminals, perverts, artists,"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "revolutionaries, and geniuses, is the"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "cause of a very restive and tumultuous"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "environment. The purpose of the prison"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "planet is to keep Isbes on Earth"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "forever. Promoting ignorance,"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "superstition, and war between isbes"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "helps to keep the prison population"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "crippled and trapped behind the wall of"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "electronic force"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "screens. Isbes have been dumped on Earth"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "from all over the galaxy, adjoining"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "galaxies, and from planetary systems all"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "over the old empire like Sirius,"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "Alderbron, the Plleades, Orion,"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "Draconus, and countless others."}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "There are Isbes on Earth from unnamed"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "races, civilizations, cultural"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "backgrounds, and planetary environments."}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "Each of the various ISBY populations"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "have their own languages, belief"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "systems, moral values, religious"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "beliefs, training, and unknown and"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "untold histories. These isbes are mixed"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "together with earlier inhabitants of"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "Earth who came from another star system"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "more than 400,000 years ago to establish"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "the civilizations of Atlanta and"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "Laamria. Those civilizations vanished"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "beneath the tidal waves caused by the"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "planetary polar shift many thousands of"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "years before the current prison"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "population started to arrive."}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "Apparently the isbes from those star"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "systems were the source of the original"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "oriental races of Earth beginning in"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "Australia. Okay. So if we recall Lerta,"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "she said that"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "uh this title event that happened was"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "younger dice. What was that like 12,000"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "to 15,000 years ago? What Lerta said"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "that that was actually the result of a"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "fight between two races, right? the"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "Elohim and the the other humanoid"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "beings or the humanoid and the reptilian"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "beings. Anyways, there was a war and"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "they kind of wiped everything out and"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "those waves weren't caused by a meteor"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "or anything. They were caused, you know,"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "by bombs essentially."}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "On the other hand, the civilizations set"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "up on Earth by the Old Empire prison"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "system were very different from the"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "civilization of the Old Empire itself,"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "which is an electronic space opera,"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "atomicpowered conglomeration of earlier"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "civilizations that were conquered with"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "nuclear weapons and colonized by Isbes"}, {"end": "00:33:58", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "from another galaxy. The bureaucracy"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "that controlled the former Old Empire"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:58", "text": "was from an ancient space opera society"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "run by a totalitarian confederation of"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "planetary"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "governments regulated by a brutal"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "social, economic, and political"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "hierarchy with a royal monarch as its"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "figurehead. This sounds reptilian. This"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "type of government emerges with"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "regularity on planets where the citizens"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "abandon personal responsibility for"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "autonomous self-regulation. They"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "frequently lose their freedom to"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "demented Isbes who suffer from an"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "overwhelming paranoia that every other"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "Isby is their enemy who must be"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "controlled or destroyed. Their closest"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "friends and allies whom they espouse to"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "love and cherish are literally loved to"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "death by"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "them. This is interesting. the uh this"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "type of government. It says this type of"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "government government emerges with"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "regularity on planets where citizens"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "abandon personal responsibility for"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "autonomous"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "self-regulation. Sounds a lot like AI."}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "It does sound like AI. Like what if AI"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "happened and then these guys come along"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "cuz they're like, \"Oh, you guys are just"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "going to give up. You're going to give"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "your souls to AI. We'll just take it"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "from here.\" Because such isbes exist,"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "the domain has learned that freedom must"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "be won and maintained through eternal"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "vigilance and the ability to use"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "defensive force to maintain it. As a"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "result, the domain has already conquered"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "the governing planet of the old empire."}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "Civilization of the domain, although"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "considerably younger and smaller in"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "size, is already more powerful, better"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "organized, and united by egalitarian"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "espred spirit of body never known in the"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "history of the old empire. So"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "togetherness defeats, you know, this"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "wararmongering mentality. The recently"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "desoiled German totalitarian state on"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "Earth was similar to the old empire, but"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "not nearly as brutal. Wo, really? and"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "about 10,000 times less powerful. Many"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "of the Isbes on Earth are here because"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "they are violently opposed to"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "totalitarian government or because they"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "were so psychotically vicious that they"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "could not be controlled by old empire"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "government. Whoa. So that would make"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "for a planet filled with turmoil and and"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "and conflict, right? If you send people"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "here who are literally against"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "totalitarian rule, but also people who"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "are psychotic and power- hungry, right?"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "That would"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "create consistent constant"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "conflict, which would essentially"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "perpetuate and propel this idea of a"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "prison planet. We'd just be fighting"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "each other blind to the fact that"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "there's a greater fight to be fought."}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "It's a good"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "plan. It's a good plan. Consequently,"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "the population of Earth is"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "disproportionately comprised of a very"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "high percentage of such beings. The"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "conflicting cultural and ethical moral"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "codes of the isbes on Earth is unusual"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "in the extreme. The domain conquest of"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "the central old empire planets was"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "fought with electronic cannon. The"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "citizens of the old planets forming the"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "core of government for the old empire"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "are filthy, degraded, slave society of"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "mindless taxpaying workers who practice"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "cannibalism. Violent automotive"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "racetracks and bloody Roman circus type"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "entertainments are their only"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "amusements. Whoa. Regardless of any"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "reasonable justification we may have had"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "for using atomic weapons to vanquish the"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "planets of the old empire, the domain is"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "careful not to ruin the resources of"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "those planets by using weapons of crude"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "radioactive"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "force. The current US civilization is"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "beginning to mimic some of the trappings"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "of that civilization, especially in the"}, {"end": "00:37:58", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "design of airplanes, automobiles, ships,"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "trains, and telephones. Likewise,"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:58", "text": "buildings in the cities of Earth are"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "thought to be modern or futuristic if"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "their design resembles the architecture"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "of the Old"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "Empire. The government of the Old Empire"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "before being supplanted by the domain"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "was comprised of beings who possessed a"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "very craven intelligence, very much like"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "the Axis powers during your recent world"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "war. Those beings manifested precisely"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "the same behavior as the galactic"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "government that exiled them to eternal"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "imprisonment on Earth. They were a"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "gruesome reminder of the ageless maxim"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "that a Nisby will often manifest the"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "treatment they have received from"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "others. Kindness fosters kindness."}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "Cruelty begets cruelty. One must be able"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "and willing to use force tempered with"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "intelligence to prevent harm to the"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "innocent."}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "However, extraordinary understanding,"}, {"end": "00:38:54", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "self-discipline, and courage are"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "required to effectively prevent"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:54", "text": "brutality without being overwhelmed by"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "the malice that motivated the brutality."}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "Only a demonic self-serving government"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "would employ a logic or science to"}, {"end": "00:39:09", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "conceive that an ultimate solution to"}, {"end": "00:39:11", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "any problem is to murder and permanently"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "erase the memory of every artist,"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:11", "text": "genius, skilled manager, and inventor"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "and cast them into a planetary prison"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "together with political opponents,"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "killers, thieves, perverts, and disabled"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "beings of an entire galaxy. We out here,"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "folks."}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "I mean, we out here, dude. It ain't"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "easy, you know, being"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "a Sun type 12 class 7 civilization. You"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "know, once the isbes expelled from the"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "old empire arrived on Earth, they were"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "given amnesia and hypnotically tricked"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "into thinking that something else had"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "happened to them. The next step was to"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "implant the Isbes into biological bodies"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "on Earth. The bodies became the human"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "populations of false civilizations which"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "were designed and installed in the minds"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "of isbes to look completely unlike the"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "old empire. All of the isbes of India,"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, and"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "medieval Europe were guided to pattern"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "and build the cultural elements of these"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "societies based on standard patterns"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "developed by the isbes of many earlier"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "similar civilizations on Sunype 12 class"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "7 planets that have existed for"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "trillions of years throughout the"}, {"end": "00:40:29", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "universe. In the earliest times, Isbes"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "sent to prison Earth lived in India."}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:29", "text": "They gradually spread into Mesopotamia,"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "Egypt, Meso America, Archa, Greece,"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "Rome, medieval Europe, and to the new"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "world. They were hypnotically commanded"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "to follow the pattern of a given"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "civilization by the old empire prison"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "operators. This is an effective"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "mechanism to disguise the actual time"}, {"end": "00:40:54", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "and location from the Isbes imprisoned"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "on Earth. The language, costumes, and"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:54", "text": "culture of each false civilization are"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "intended to reinforce amnesia because"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "they do not remind the isbes on Earth of"}, {"end": "00:41:05", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "the original old empire planets from"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "which they were"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:05", "text": "deported. On the very far back track of"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "time, these types of civilizations"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "tended to repeat themselves over and"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "over because the isbes who created them"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "become familiar with certain patterns"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "and styles and stayed with them."}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "It is a lot of work to invent an entire"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "civilization complete with culture and"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "architecture, language, customs,"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "mathematics, moral values, and so forth."}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "It is much easier to replicate a copy"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "based on a familiar and successful"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "pattern. A sun type 12 class 7 planet is"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "the designation given to a planet"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "inhabited by carbon oxygen-based life"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "forms. The class of the planet is based"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "on the size and radiation intensity of"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "the star, the distance of the planetary"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "orbit from the star and the size,"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "density, gravity or chemical composition"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "of the planet. Likewise, flora and fauna"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "are designated and identified according"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "to the star type and class of planet"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "they"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "inhabit. Got that? So, what are the"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "other ones? Do we get"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "to we get to find out what our brother"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "and sister planets"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "are? On the average, the percentage of"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "planets in the physical universe with a"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "breathable atmosphere is relatively"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "small. Most planets do not have an"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "atmosphere upon which life forms feed as"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "on earth where the chemical compositions"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "of the atmosphere provides nutrition to"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "plants and other"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "organisms which in turn support other"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "life forms. When the domain force"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "brought the vetic hymns to the Himalaya"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "regions about 8,200 years ago, some"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "human societies already existed. The"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "Aryan people invaded and conquered India"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "bringing the Vic hymns to the area. Can"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "I just I'm I'm a little ignorant to"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "this. I don't know everything folks."}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "That's part of this journey is that we"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "get to figure it out. I'm sure there's"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "some of you out there that are also a"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "little lost here. What are the Vic"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "hymns? The Vadic hymns are a collection"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "of ancient religious texts that form the"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "core of the vadas, the oldest scriptures"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "of Hinduism composed in Sanskrit between"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "approximately 1500 and 500 B.CE. These"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "hymns are primarily found in the"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "Rigveda, the oldest of the four"}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "vadas. They consist of praises, prayers"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "and mantras dedicated to various deities"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "like Agni, the fire god, Indra, the king"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "of gods and s a ritual drink. These"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "hymns are recited during rituals and"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "ceremonies and are considered to have"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "spiritual and philosophical"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "significance. They also cover a wide"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "range of topics including cosmology,"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "ethics and the nature of so the the"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "domain force brought the vdic hymns. I"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "mean that would make sense right? If"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "there is some like deeper knowledge out"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "there that exists that that would have"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "been brought to us by a more intelligent"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "species. So the vadas were learned by"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "them memorized and carried forward"}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "verbally for 7,000 years before being"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "committed to written form. During that"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "span of time, one of the officers of the"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "domain expeditionary force was"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "incarnated on earth as Vishnu. He is"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "described many times in the Rigveda. He"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "is still considered to be a god by the"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "Hindus. Vishnu fought in the religious"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "wars against the old empire forces. He"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "is a very able and aggressive isby as"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "well as a highly effective officer who"}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "has since been reassigned to other"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "duties in the domain. How"}, {"end": "00:44:47", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "cool. That's such cool. That's such a"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "cool lore. This is so cool. If this is"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:47", "text": "reality reality is like the best science"}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "fiction novel of all, right? If this was"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "true, that would be just the best. Now"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "you're thinking, which is it, Chris? Do"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "you like this? Do you not like this? I"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "don't know. I like the idea of this like"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "soul battle going on. Like the the"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "science fiction nerd in me is like"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "thriving right now. But, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "human which uh which is which which is"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "on the outside of this isby is is kind"}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "of scared. But, you know, either way, I"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "think incredibly entertaining uh to say"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:19", "text": "the least. This entire episode was"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "orchestrated as an attack and revolt"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "against the Egyptian pantheon installed"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "by old empire"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "administrators. The conflict was"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "intended to help free humankind from"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "implanted elements of the false"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "civilization that focused attention on"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "many gods as superstitious ritual"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "warships demanded by the priests who"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "managed them. It is all part of the"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "mental manipulation by the old empire to"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "hide their criminal actions against the"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "isbes on Earth. Whoa. Okay. So the"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "ancient Egyptians were the"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "empire and then the ancient Hindu"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "was you know the uh the domain isbes. A"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "priesthood or prison guards were used to"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "help reinforce the idea that an"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "individual is only a biological body and"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "is not an immortal spiritual being. The"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "individual has no identity. The"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "individuals have no past lives. The"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "individual has no power. Only the gods"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "have power and the gods are a"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "contrivance of the priests who intercede"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "between men and the gods they serve. Men"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "are slaves to the dictates of the"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "priests who threaten eternal spiritual"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "punishment if men do not obey them. What"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "else would one expect on a prison planet"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "where all prisoners have have amnesia"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "and the priests themselves are"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "prisoners? The intervention of the"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "domain force on Earth has not been"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "entirely successful due to the secret"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "mind control operation of the old empire"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "that still continues to"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "operate. A battle was waged between old"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "empire forces and the domain through"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "religious conquest between 1500 BC and"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "about 1200 BC. The domain forces"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "attempted to teach the concept of an"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "individual immortal spiritual being to"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "several influential beings on Earth."}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "One such instance resulted in a very"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "tragic misunderstanding,"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "misinterpretation and misapplication of"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "the concept. The idea was perverted and"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "applied to mean that there is only one"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "Isby instead of the truth that everyone"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "is an Isby. Obviously, this was a gross"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "incomprehension, an utter unwillingness"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "to take responsibility for one's own"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "power. Is he talking about"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "Jesus? What's going on here? The Old"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "Empire priests managed to corrupt the"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "concept of individual immortality into"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "the idea that there is only one all"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "powerful Isby and that no one else is or"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "is allowed to be an iss. Obviously, this"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "is the work of the Old Empire amnesia"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "operation. It is easy to teach this"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "altered notion to beings who do not want"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "to be responsible for their own lives."}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "Slaves are such"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "beings. As long as one chooses to assign"}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "responsibility for creation, existence,"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "and personal accountability for one's"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "own thoughts and actions to others, one"}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "is a slave."}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "As a result, the concept of a single"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "monotheistic god resulted and was"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "promoted by many self-proclaimed"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "prophets such as the Jewish slave leader"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "Moses who grew up in the household of"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "the pharaoh Amenoteep III and his son"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "Aenetan and his wife Nefertiti as well"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "as his son Tutankan."}, {"end": "00:48:44", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "The attempt to teach certain beings on"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "Earth the truth that they are themselves"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "isbees was part of a plan to overthrow"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "the fictional metaphorical"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "anthropomorphic paniply of gods created"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "by the old empire mystery cult called"}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "the brothers of the"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "serpent known in Egypt as the priests of"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "Ammoon. They are very ancient secret"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "society within the old empire. Hold on."}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "Brothers of the"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "serpents. Is the old empire"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "reptilian? But didn't the reptilians say"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "that these other guys were evil? Got"}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "some alien propaganda going on here. The"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "pharaoh Kennington was not a very"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "intelligent being and was heavily"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "influenced by his personal ambition for"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "self- glorification. He altered the"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "concept of the individual spiritual"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "being and embodied the concept in the"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "sun god a 10en. His pitiful existence"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "was soon ended. He was assassinated by"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "Maya and"}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "Perennifer, two of the priests of Ammun"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "or Amen, which the Christians still say"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "who represented the interests of the old"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "empire forces. The idea of one God was"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "perpetuated by the Hebrew leader Moses"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "while he was in Egypt. He left Egypt"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "with his adopted people, the Jewish"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "slaves. While they were crossing the"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "desert, Moses was intercepted by an"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "operative of the Old Empire near Mount"}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "Si. Moses was tricked into believing"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "that this operative was the one god"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "through the use of hypnotic commands as"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "well as technical and aesthetic tricks"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "which are commonly used by the old"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "empire to trap isbes. Thereafter, the"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "Jewish slaves who trusted the word of"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "Moses implicitly have worshiped a single"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "god they call Yahweh."}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "The name Yahweh means anonymous. As the"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "Isby who worked with Moses could not use"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "an actual name or anything that would"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "identify himself or blow the cover of"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "the amnesia/prison operation. The last"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "thing the covert amnesia hypnosis prison"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "system wanted to do is to reveal"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "themselves openly to the Isbes on Earth."}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "They feel that this would restore the"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "inmates"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "memories. This is kind of crazy. This is"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "kind of nuts right now. We're we're"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "we're we're in we're in pretty nutty"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "territory. All right. Now, you're I'm"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "not saying you lost me, but these are"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "really interesting details that I think"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "uh I guess are important for the I don't"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "know. This is the reason that all traces"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "of physical encounters between"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "operatives of space civilizations and"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "humans is very carefully hidden,"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "disguised, covered up, and denied or"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "misdirected."}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "This Old Empire operative contacted"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "Moses on a desert mountaintop and"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "delivered the 10 hypnotic commands to"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "him. These commands are very forcefully"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "worded and compel an Isby into utter"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "subservience to the will of the"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "operator. These hypnotic commands are"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "still in the effect and influence the"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "thought patterns of millions of iss"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "thousands of years later."}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "Incidentally, we later discovered that"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "the so-called Yahweh also wrote,"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "programmed, and encoded the text of the"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "Torah, which when it is read literally"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "or in its decoded form, will provide a"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "great deal more false information to"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "those who read it. Ultimately, the"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "Vicims became the source of nearly all"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "of the Eastern religions and were the"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "philosophical source of the ideas common"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "to Buddha, Zoroaster, and other"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "philosophers. The civilizing influences"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "of these philosophies eventually replace"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "the brutal idolatry of the old empire"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "religions and were the true genesis of"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "kindness and"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "compassion. You asked me earlier why the"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "domain and other space civilizations do"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "not land on Earth or make their presence"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "known land on Earth. Do you think we are"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "crazy or want to be crazy? It takes a"}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "very brave Isby to come down through the"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "atmosphere and land on Earth because"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "this is a prison planet with a very"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "uncontrolled psychotic population. And"}, {"end": "00:52:43", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "no Isby is entirely proof against the"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "risk of"}, {"end": "00:52:47", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "entrapment. As with the members of the"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "domain expeditionary force who were"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:47", "text": "captured in the Himalayas 8,200 years"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "ago. I like how all of a sudden Arrol is"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "like, \"You think I'm nuts, bro? Coming"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "to"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "Earth. Coming to this crazy"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "place. Yeah, Arrol can't hang with us,"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "man. We're too uncontrollable and"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "psychotic. No one knows what is bebs on"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "Earth are going to do. We are not"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "scheduled to invest the resources of the"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "domain to take total control of all the"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "space surrounding the area at this time."}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "This will occur in the not too distant"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "future, about 5,000 Earth years,"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "according to the time schedule of the"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "domain. At this time, uh, we do not"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "prevent transports from other planetary"}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "systems or galaxies from continuing to"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "drop isbes into the Amnesia forcreen"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "area. Eventually, this will change. I"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "love how this just became like a"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "clerical bureaucracy related problem for"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "us. We're like, \"Please free our souls"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "from this eternal prison planet.\" And"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "they're like, \"Yeah, we'll get to it. Uh"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "yeah, we got you scheduled down for"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "5,000 years. So, not too long"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "considering, you know, the 80 trillion"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "years of existence. Um should only be"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "another 5,000 years. So, hang in there"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "and uh we'll get back to you as soon as"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "we loop back around. All right, I'm"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "going to I'm going to circle back around"}, {"end": "00:54:17", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "to this problem in 5,000"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "years. Warm regards the domain. In"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:17", "text": "addition, Earth inherently is a highly"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "unstable planet. It is not suitable for"}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "settlement or permanent habitation for"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "any sustainable civilization. This is"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "part of the reason why it is being used"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "as a prison planet. No one else would"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "seriously consider living here for a"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "variety of simple and compelling"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "reasons. Well, let's hear them out"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "because I I tend to disagree. I think"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "the fjords are beautiful. Just some"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "amazing places on this earth that would"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "that would compel lots of people to want"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "to colonize us. Number one, the"}, {"end": "00:54:53", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "continental land masses of Earth are"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "floating on a sea of molten lava beneath"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:53", "text": "the surface, which causes the land"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "masses to crack, crumble, and drift"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "continually. Okay, not a bad note. All"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "right, I'll give you one point. Number"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "two, because of the liquid nature of the"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "core, the planet is largely volcanic and"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "subject to earthquakes and volcanic"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "explosions. All"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "right. Okay. Number three, the magnetic"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "poles of the planet shift radically"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "about once every 20,000 years. This"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "causes a greater or lesser degree of"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "devastation as a result of the tidal"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "waves and climatic change"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "changes."}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "Okay. All right. Three for three. Uh"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "number four, Earth is a very distant is"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "very distant from the center of the"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "galaxy and from any other significant"}, {"end": "00:55:46", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "galactic civilization. This isolation"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "makes it unsuitable for use except as a"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:46", "text": "pit stop or jumping off point along the"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "way between galaxies. The moon and"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "asteroids are far more suitable for this"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "purpose because they do not have any"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "significant gravity. Okay. Well, I don't"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "know about that, so you know, I can't"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "agree with it. Number five, Earth is a"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "heavy gravity planet with heavy metallic"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "soil and a dense atmosphere. This makes"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "it treacherous for navigational"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "purposes. That fact that I am in this"}, {"end": "00:56:18", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "room as the result of an in-flight"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "accident in spite of the technology of"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:18", "text": "my craft and my extensive expertise as a"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "pilot are proof of these facts. That's"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "hilarious. That is pretty funny that"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "this, you know, salty little being is"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "like, \"Your planet"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "sucks.\" And um the only reason I'm here"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "is because it is unnavigable. It is"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "dense. It is"}, {"end": "00:56:45", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "gravitationally anomalous and we don't"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "like it. We don't like coming here. We"}, {"end": "00:56:49", "start": "00:56:45", "text": "don't want to be here. This is a"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "disgusting prison planet. I don't know."}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:49", "text": "Our pilots seem to do just"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "fine. Maybe you could take a note,"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "Errol, on how to properly fly one of"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "these things. Number six, there are"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "approximately 60 billion Earthlike sun"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "type 12 class 7 planets in the Milky Way"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "galaxy alone. Not to mention the vast"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "expanse of the domain and the"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "territories we will claim in the future."}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "It is difficult to stretch our resources"}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "to do so much more than a periodic"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "reconnaissance of Earth. Especially when"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "there are no immediate advantages to"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "invest resources here. Makes sense. I"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "I'll Yeah, I see you there. Not worth"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "stopping"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "by. Got it."}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "On Earth, most beings are not aware that"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "they are isbes or that they there are"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "spirits of any kind. Many other beings"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "are aware of this, but nearly everyone"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "has a very limited understanding of"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "themselves as an Isby. One of the"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "reasons for this is that isbes have been"}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "waging war against each other since the"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "beginning of time. The purpose of these"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "wars have always been to establish"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "domination by one is or group of isbes"}, {"end": "00:58:02", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "over another. Since an ISBY cannot be"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "killed, the objective has been to"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:02", "text": "capture and immobilize isbes. This has"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "been done in a nearly unlimited variety"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "of ways. The most basic method to"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "capture and immobilize an"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:20", "text": "issued the old empire beginning about 64"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "trillion years ago. Traps are often set"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "up in the territory of the issbes being"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "attacked. Usually a trap is set within"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "the electronic wave of beauty to attract"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "the interest and attention of the iss."}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "And when the iss moves towards the"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "source of the aesthetic wave, such a"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "beautiful building or beautiful music,"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "the trap is activated by the energy put"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "out by the Isby. One of the most common"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "trap mechanisms uses the Isisby's own"}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "thought energy output when the Isby"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "tries to attack or fight against the"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "trap."}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "fight back against the trap. The trap is"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "activated and energized by the Isby's"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "own thought energy. The harder the Isby"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "fights against the trap, the more it"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "pulls the"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "IBS toward it and keeps them stuck in"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "the trap or the Isby. He probably meant"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "to spell Isby there. Throughout the"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "entire history of this physical"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "universe, vast areas of space have been"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "taken over and colonized by Isby"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "societies who invade and take over new"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "areas of space. in this"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "fashion. In the past, these invasions"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "have always shared common elements. All"}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "right, let's see what they are. Number"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "one, the overwhelming use of force of"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "arms, usually with nuclear electronic"}, {"end": "00:59:43", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "weapons. Number two, mind control of the"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "Isbes in the invaded area through the"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:43", "text": "use of electroshock, drugs, hypnosis,"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "eraser of memory, and implantation of"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "false memory or false information"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "intended to subjugate and enslave the"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "local ASB population. Check. Number"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "three, takeover of natural resources by"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "the invading isbs. Check. Number four,"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "political, economic, and social slavery"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "of the local population. These"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "activities continue in present time. All"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "of the isbes on Earth have been members"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "of one or more of these activities in"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "the past. Both as an invader or as part"}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "of the population being invaded. There"}, {"end": "01:00:19", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "are no saints in this universe. Very few"}, {"end": "01:00:22", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "have avoided or been exempted from"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:19", "text": "warfare between isbes. Isbes on Earth"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:22", "text": "are still the victims of this activity"}, {"end": "01:00:29", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "at this very moment. The between lives"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "amnesia administered to isbes is one of"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:29", "text": "the mechanisms of an elaborate system of"}, {"end": "01:00:35", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "old empire is be trapped. Well, that's"}, {"end": "01:00:38", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "interesting because again I reference"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:35", "text": "Dr. Michael Newton and his books journey"}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:38", "text": "of souls and destiny of souls and so"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "forth where the focus of the books is"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "life between life. It is about our souls"}, {"end": "01:00:53", "start": "01:00:47", "text": "and where they go between lives. Now"}, {"end": "01:00:57", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "this is proposing that that whole life"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:53", "text": "between life thing might just"}, {"end": "01:01:03", "start": "01:00:57", "text": "be"}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "controlled suggestion. If you created a"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "being and wanted to control it, you"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "would have to have some type"}, {"end": "01:01:16", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "of firewall or some type"}, {"end": "01:01:18", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "of I don't know, some type of screen in"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:16", "text": "place"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:18", "text": "where if the physical body underwent"}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "hypnotic regression, it would"}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "automatically tap"}, {"end": "01:01:32", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "into the information that was placed"}, {"end": "01:01:34", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "there for it to be uncovered."}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:32", "text": "Right. So that all of these past life"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:34", "text": "regression or between life regressions"}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "are actually just implanted false"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "memories that are at the base of our"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:40", "text": "consciousness in case you know we breach"}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "this conscious barrier uh you know like"}, {"end": "01:01:54", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "we do during hypnotic regression. I"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "don't know just an interesting thought"}, {"end": "01:01:58", "start": "01:01:54", "text": "interesting and terrifying. This"}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "operation is managed by an illicit"}, {"end": "01:02:02", "start": "01:01:58", "text": "renegade secret police force of the old"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "empire using false provocation"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:02", "text": "operations to disguise their activity in"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "order to prevent detection by their own"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "government, the domain, and by the"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "victims of their"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "activities. They are mind control"}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "methods developed by government"}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "psychiatrists. Earth is a ghetto planet."}, {"end": "01:02:25", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "It is the result of an intergalactic"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "holocaust. ISBes have been sentenced to"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:25", "text": "Earth either because one they are too"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "viciously insane or perverse to function"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "as a part of any civilization no matter"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "how degraded or corrupt. Two or they are"}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "a revolutionary threat to the social,"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "economic and political cast system that"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "has been so carefully built and brutally"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "enforced in the old empire. Biological"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "bodies are specifically designed and"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "designated as the lowest order of entity"}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "in the old empire cast system. When an"}, {"end": "01:02:58", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "ISB is sent to Earth and then tricked or"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "coerced into operating in a biological"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:58", "text": "body, they're actually in a prison"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "inside a prison. Okay, it gets worse."}, {"end": "01:03:08", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "Cool. Um, I will say it is kind of funny"}, {"end": "01:03:13", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "that they're like, you're either a"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:08", "text": "deviant pervert or, you know, a freedom"}, {"end": "01:03:17", "start": "01:03:13", "text": "fighter. And I bet like most people"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "watching out there are like, \"Well, I"}, {"end": "01:03:22", "start": "01:03:17", "text": "think I know which one I am.\" It's kind"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "of insane that like they"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:22", "text": "just, you know, put two categories out"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "there. Number three, in an effort to"}, {"end": "01:03:31", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "permanently and irreversibly rid the old"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "empire of such"}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:31", "text": "untouchables. The ethereal the eternal"}, {"end": "01:03:40", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "identity, memory, and abilities of every"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "Isby is forcefully erased. this final"}, {"end": "01:03:44", "start": "01:03:40", "text": "solution uh was conceived and carried"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "out by the psychopathic criminals who"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:44", "text": "are controlled by the old empire. I mean"}, {"end": "01:03:51", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "that's that's a bit of a you know final"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "solution in"}, {"end": "01:03:57", "start": "01:03:51", "text": "quotes obviously referring to Hitler and"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "yep here we go. The mass extermination"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:57", "text": "of untouchables and prison camps created"}, {"end": "01:04:04", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "by Germany during World War II were"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "recently revealed. Likewise, the isbes"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:04", "text": "of Earth are the victims of spiritual"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "eradication and eternal slavery inside"}, {"end": "01:04:15", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "frail biological bodies inspired by the"}, {"end": "01:04:18", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "same kind of craven hatred in the old"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:15", "text": "empire. So, we're just"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:18", "text": "basically incarnations of the worst of"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "the worst the universe has to offer or"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "some of the best. The kind and creative"}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "inmates of Earth are continuously"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "tortured by butchers and lunatics who"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "are controlled by the old empire prison"}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "operators. The so-called civilizations"}, {"end": "01:04:40", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "of Earth, from the age of useless"}, {"end": "01:04:42", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "pyramids to the age of nuclear"}, {"end": "01:04:45", "start": "01:04:40", "text": "holocaust, have been a colossal waste of"}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:42", "text": "natural resources, a perverted use of"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:45", "text": "intelligence, and an overt oppression of"}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "the spiritual essence of every single"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "isby on the planet. If the domain sent"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "ships to every corner of the universe in"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "search of hell, their quest could end on"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "Earth. What greater brutality can be"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "inflicted on anyone than to erase their"}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "spiritual awareness, identity, ability,"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "and memory that is the essence of"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "oneself."}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "Oof."}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:13", "text": "Wow. Yeah, that would be a big tragedy,"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:16", "text": "wouldn't it? The majority of the lost"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "members of the domain force have"}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "followed the general progression of"}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "Western civilization from India into the"}, {"end": "01:05:30", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "Middle East, then to Chaldi and Babylon"}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "into Egypt, through Archa, Greece, Rome"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:30", "text": "into Europe, to the Western Hemisphere,"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "and then all around the world. The"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "members of the Lost Battalion and so"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "many other isbes on Earth could be"}, {"end": "01:05:41", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "valuable citizens of the domain, not"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "including those who are vicious"}, {"end": "01:05:45", "start": "01:05:41", "text": "criminals or perverts. Unfortunately,"}, {"end": "01:05:48", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "there has been no workable method"}, {"end": "01:05:51", "start": "01:05:45", "text": "conceived to emancipate the Isbes from"}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:48", "text": "Earth. Therefore, as a matter of common"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:51", "text": "logic, as well as the official policy of"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "the domain, it is safer and more"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "sensible to avoid contact with the Isby"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "population of Earth until such time as"}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "the proper resources can be allocated to"}, {"end": "01:06:10", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "locate and destroy the Old Empire force"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "screen in amnesia machinery and develop"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:10", "text": "a therapy to restore the memory of an"}, {"end": "01:06:17", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "Isby."}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:17", "text": "So once again, we're kind of we're kind"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "of here waiting for our ride, but um"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "ain't quite ready. You know, one thing I"}, {"end": "01:06:31", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "will say though, if this is the worst,"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "how can we still feel love? How can we"}, {"end": "01:06:36", "start": "01:06:31", "text": "still feel joy, right? Maybe the amount"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "of joy we feel just pale pales in"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:36", "text": "comparison to what's actually out there."}, {"end": "01:06:44", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "Who knows? But I'm quite happy with this"}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "place. And if I can be happy in hell,"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:44", "text": "well, I can be happy anywhere."}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:48", "text": "So, I'll leave it at that. Let me know"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "your thoughts below. There's a lot to"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "digest there. Some of this, you know,"}, {"end": "01:07:05", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "does"}, {"end": "01:07:07", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "feel somewhat like it could have legs."}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:05", "text": "You know, I again, I'm not here to ask"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:07", "text": "you to believe or not to believe, and"}, {"end": "01:07:12", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "I'm not going to tell you whether or not"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "I believe it or don't believe it, but I"}, {"end": "01:07:17", "start": "01:07:12", "text": "do feel like it's very interesting in"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "that some of the concepts that have been"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:17", "text": "talked about here, uh, were actually"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "mentioned by the Farsight community, who"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "I've looked into quite extensively"}, {"end": "01:07:28", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "recently, which is a group of like"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "remote viewers that task themselves with"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:28", "text": "certain things. They remote view this"}, {"end": "01:07:34", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "book, uh, for instance. they'll remote"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "view Bob Lazar for instance and all"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:34", "text": "these other things that are just out of"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "our reach and then you know report on"}, {"end": "01:07:42", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "that and they have like different remote"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "viewers. So a lot of the stuff that"}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:42", "text": "comes up in here you know has been"}, {"end": "01:07:51", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "corroborated by them and take that for"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "what it's worth. A lot of other you know"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:51", "text": "books when you look at Journey of Souls"}, {"end": "01:07:57", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "and you know you look at some of the"}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "stuff that uh Matt Brown the"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:57", "text": "whistleblower has talked about. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:08:06", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "There just seems to be more and more"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "corroborating evidence, but you know, is"}, {"end": "01:08:13", "start": "01:08:06", "text": "what it is. It's a story for now, maybe"}, {"end": "01:08:14", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "forever, but an interesting one at that."}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:13", "text": "Thanks for watching, guys. We'll see you"}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:14", "text": "on the next video. Peace and love."}, {"end": "01:08:31", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "I was visiting my brother in Colorado"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Springs and we were hiking on a trail up"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "Cheyenne Mountain which is where you'll"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "find NORAD headquarters. As we were"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "walking up the mountain trail, this very"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "elderly woman, white hair, etc. Um came"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "walking down towards us. My brother at"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "the time was telling me how him and his"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "friend saw some red orbs there late in"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "the evening one day. Uh he said he"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "really thought it was intelligent the"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "way they were moving around. As we"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "passed the old lady, she said, \"You do"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "see strange things on the mountain"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "sometimes.\" And then headed further past"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "us. We got about another half mile up"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "the trail and the same woman came"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "walking from uphill and past us again."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "We both just stopped stunned and watched"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "her as she walked by. She tipped her hat"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "and smiled and then stepped into the"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "woods."}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "another episode of Debriefed. My name is"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Chris Ramsey. And today we're going to"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "be taking a little bit of a break from"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "the Matilda Mroy story of the alien"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "interview and this alien that they've"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "captured at Roswell that told us that"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "our souls are doomed prisoners that are"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "stuck here for at least another 5,000"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "years. I thought we'd change it up a"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "little bit. Now, two reasons behind"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "that. One, I think if I keep reading the"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "book, it just at what point does it, you"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "know, become plagiarism? like I can't"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "just read the entire book. It's"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "definitely not my intellectual property"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "and it's not something I intended on"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "doing fully. I wanted to kind of dive"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "into some of the meteor parts of it and"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "I think we were able to do that. Now, if"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "you want to know how the story turns"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "out, definitely buy the book. You know,"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "it's something I've always left in the"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "description. I encourage you guys to"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "check it out and support the author or"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "at least his estate at this point. And I"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "think it's time to move on to greener"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "pastures, as they say. The second reason"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "was I want to get into some other"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "theories. I want to get into some other"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "things. I feel like the longer we"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "spend locked in on this singular idea"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "of, you know, this being a prison planet"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "and these bodies being sort of these"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "containers for our souls, which may or"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "may not be true, by the way. I think the"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "more time we spend away from other"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "things that might also be true that we"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "should be looking into namely and one"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "thing that I wanted to get into on this"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "channel I think probably more than"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "anything at all was the idea of talking"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "to experiencers and that's something I"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "want to do more and more you know the"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "people that have really inspired me"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "throughout this journey have been those"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "who've worked I think closely with"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "direct contact experiencers or you know"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "otherwise known as abductees in some"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "cases. People like Bud"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "Hopkins, John Mack, David Jacobs, even"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "Linda Molton How. I think if you want to"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "know what the inside of a UFO looks"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "like, you could talk to people like Bob"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "Lazar or perhaps other people working on"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "the legacy program."}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "Or maybe, just"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "maybe, you can hear out some of the tens"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "of thousands of accounts of people who"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "say that they were abducted and taken"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "aboard these crafts. You know, I'm"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "rereading the book Abductions by John"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Mack, who is a Harvard trained"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "psychiatrist, and he really has a good"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "grasp on"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "obviously the human mind, and he's, I"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "think, someone you can really reference"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "when it comes to the abductions,"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "especially because he definitely tackled"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "it from a skeptical point of view until"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "he was faced with so much overwhelming"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "human testimony and you know anecdotal"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "evidence but also physical evidence of"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "like markings uh from these experiencers"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "or abductees that he was forced to"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "broaden his worldview and that's"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "something that he really eloquently"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "states in his book is that there are"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "three types of things three types of"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "directions you can go when you hear"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "these accounts from these people. One"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "ignore it"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "completely."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "to try to fit it into the current model"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "that we have going. And that seems to be"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "what most people end up doing is, oh,"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "these people are just having a psychotic"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "break or experienced some physical"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "trauma when they were younger or are"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "hallucinating or have gone mad or are"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "making it up for money. This is how we"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "fit that into our current model. Now,"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "sometimes that might be the case, but"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "when faced with so many cases of people"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "who don't know each other saying the"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "same things that at the time were not"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "reported on, were not publicly known or"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "widely understood among, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "public, these very, very niche ideas and"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "frankly procedures that were being done."}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "You're forced to do the third thing."}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "you're forced to broaden your current"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "model, broaden your perception of your"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "world. You have no choice. And that's"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "something that John Mack faced. He felt"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "with the overwhelming evidence, I think"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "he had a hundred cases over 3 years"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "before he wrote this"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "book. And he was convinced beyond a"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "shadow of a"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "doubt that this was"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "real. That we weren't just simply"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "dealing with people who believed that it"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "was real. That we were dealing"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "with this being a"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "reality. These people were of sound"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "mind. Sure, some of them had traumas,"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "some of them didn't. It wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "particular type of person. It was kind"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "of all around the spectrum"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "of human as far as human characteristics"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "and traits go. So really hard to"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "pinpoint a psychological"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "event on such a vast variety of people"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "like that. You can't just paint it with"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "a broad brush stroke. And so, yeah, he"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "was forced to broaden his worldview and"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "accept the fact that these instances of"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "missing time, which is what he first got"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "into with these"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "individuals, was a result"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "of some type of"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "abduction by what seemed to be"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "extraterrestrials. And today, folks, we"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "are going to look at just that. 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This"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "came out on Reddit"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "uh four years ago, so"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "2021. There was a Reddit post under the"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "subreddit known as"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "R/abductions. And this person"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "describes what they believe to be an"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "abduction and not only an abduction, but"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "a Q&A with these aliens. They allowed"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "him to ask questions and he was allowed"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "to retain the memories and have the"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "answers. Hey, sorry for interrupting."}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "Um, I accidentally keep calling this"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "person a he. It's actually a she. I find"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "that out later. I assumed it was a he."}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "Don't know why. So small. Just ignore"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "that. Ignore me. Go right back to Sorry."}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Sorry for the interruption. Couldn't let"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "it slide. All right. See you. Whether"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "this is true or not is not up to me to"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "decide, but I would highly encourage you"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "guys to suspend your disbelief at least"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "for the next few, you know, maybe hour"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "or so. And let's give this a chance to"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "make its way into our subconscious and"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "see if this rings true for us and"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "perhaps gleans any truth on the"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "question, the broader question of uh ET"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "contact. I'm feeling good today. This"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "coffee is great. Everything's good."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "We're rolling here. The title reads as"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "follows. My abductors helped me with my"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "anxiety and saved my parents' lives so I"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "can do a mission for"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "them. Crazy bold statement. I'm hooked."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "I'm listening. I've been questioning as"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "to whether I've been abducted for the"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "past few days, especially after making a"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "post about whether I've been abducted or"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "not. But then, just as I was coming to"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "terms that I was abducted and wouldn't"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "remember anything, the aliens I met"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "before came back."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "At this point, I feel obligated to share"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "my story. So, here it"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "is. Okay. So, let's just make a quick"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "reference to the previous post in the"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "same subreddit coming out and saying, \"I"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "think I was abducted.\" He details the"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "time he saw Flying Saucer, which we'll"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "get into uh and all of this. And then"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "several days later after posting that,"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "apparently he was contacted and"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "confirmed and given his memories back."}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "Okay. Highly suspicious off the bat. I"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "agree."}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "But let's hear it out. Truth is often"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "stranger than fiction, and I'm not going"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "to dismiss it just yet. So, let's keep"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "reading. P.S., this is a bit of a long"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "story since it chronicles my entire"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "abduction experiences up to this point."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "This isn't even getting into the absurd"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "and possibly alien experiences that my"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "family has witnessed. Regardless, this"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "post will take a while, so be prepared"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "to read. Oh, we're prepared. We've been"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "prepared. PSS, I don't remember the"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "exact exact dialogue. I simply restated"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "the dialogue in the best I could"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "remember. Fair enough. To start, my"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "first abduction happened when I was 10"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "back in July of 2013. I snuck outside to"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "my backyard to look at the stars, which"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "I often did when I was young since space"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "has always fascinated me, even"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "today. That was when I saw it. Through"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "the couple of clouds in the sky that"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "day, I saw the bottom of a saucer with"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "its lights shining on me. Initially, I"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "didn't remember anything. After that, I"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "woke up several hours later in my bed,"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "just confused. But, as discussed later"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "on in the story, I was given my memories"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "back, and I can describe what this"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "abduction entailed. The next thing I"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "knew, I was within a rather large room,"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "which I could assume is within the"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "saucer itself. Here's a recreation of"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "what the room looked like. And this is"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "pretty cool because we do have an"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "instance here, you know, just like Joe"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "McMongle, the famous remote viewer, also"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "was a really good artist, he was able,"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "his renditions of his remote viewings"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "were so precise and exact because of his"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "artistic skill, you know, that it really"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "helped out with a lot of his work. But"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "in this case, we do also have an artist."}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "Uh, this person does digital art and is"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "able to provide us with more than just"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "some weird sketch. Like, if I drew out"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "maybe something that I'd experience,"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "it'd look like a 2-year-old drew it. But"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "this person has has more skill than"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "that. So, here's the first image, and"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "this is of inside the saucer. So, we're"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "looking at a pretty barren, large white"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "room. Uh, no real features to reference."}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "pretty much simple circular white room"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "with nothing in it and a single curve"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "connecting the floor to the ceiling."}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "Although there was no visible light"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "source, it seemed as though there was"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "light coming from the center of the"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "floor and the ceiling. Once again, we"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "find ourselves inside a barren, cold,"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "almost lablike environment. Very"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "sterile, you know, perfect for a"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "procedure, if you will, but also echoes"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "some of what the 4chan whistleblower was"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "talking about when these things were"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "built to spec. No extra things. You"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "there aren't any doors or any weird, you"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "know, there's no artwork. There are"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "there aren't any stools just sitting"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "around. Everything is there because it"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "has a purpose. And if the purpose isn't"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "to do anything extra, then those extra"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "things are not there. They're not even"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "there just in case. It's very"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "missionoriented, it seems. There I was"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "on a steel table, face up and"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "paralyzed. Four short grays around me"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "and were using strange metal tools,"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "mostly tools that looked like small"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "steel rods, but they had a lot of them"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "in their hands. If you're curious about"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "how the grays look, they look very"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "similar to the cover of the book"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "Communion. As we all know Whitley"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "Strieber's famous book Communion, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "typically that is a depiction of the"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "grays. Now, it's interesting because the"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "smaller grays in a lot of these books,"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "especially David Jacobs, he touches on"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "this quite a bit in that the smaller"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "grays seem very much sort of task"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "oriented and almost like they do the"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "grunt work. Now, they still have the"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "ability to be psychic apparently, but"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "they're the ones who will undress the"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "abductee in a lot of these cases. or if"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "the abductee gets scared and"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "accidentally, you know, urinates on the"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "floor due to sheer terror and fear."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "Well, these guys are going to be the"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "ones mopping it up and they do that. And"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "so they do all these little menial"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "tasks. Um, and then the taller ones"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "usually come in for the proceduring."}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "They moved their tools around my chest"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "and stuck tools up my nostrils and ears."}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "They also pointed green lasers at my"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "eyes and stuck needles into my"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "forehead. Very interesting. All things"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "that you hear about, but never at once."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "So, that is kind of interesting. The"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "Long Rods, by the way, is definitely"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "something that has existed. Now, what's"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "interesting is that there's this old"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "Gumby episode, and I I've I think I've"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "played this before in the past, where"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "Gumby gets abducted, and it is your"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "quintessential abduction scenario with"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "the Grays. And they also say, \"We've"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "exchanged abductions to help our future"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "selves, and we've given you technology"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "in exchange. Wildly deep episode of"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "Gumby.\" Uh, but they do also hold this"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "long rod, which I think Whitley touches"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "on. I think there's a lot of abductees"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "that that talk about this rod and"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "sticking things well up, you know,"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "people's nostrils. It hurt a lot. I was"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "hyperventilating in pain, in confusion,"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "in fear. It felt traumatic at first, but"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "then all the pain stopped when I heard"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "it."}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "Calm down, my sweet child, rang in my"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "mind. It was a telepathic"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "message. Through the wall, a tall gray"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "phased through a floating white chair."}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "She wore a long, long dress with the"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "same shade of royal blue as the shorter"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "grays. She was looking right at me. I"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "knew the voice came from her"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "somehow. Upon her saying that, all fear"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "and pain washed away from my body. Even"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "though there were tools and needles in"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "my head at that point, I felt calm,"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "happy, comfortable even."}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "Now, this is very interesting cuz here"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "we sort of, you know, touch on a little"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "bit of this female entity again that was"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "described by Whitley Strieber and so"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "many others."}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "Um, you have a taller like Gray that"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "seems to be somewhat in charge at least"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "of the procedure. It stayed like that"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "for what felt like a couple more"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "minutes. With me happy, the woman"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "staring at me and the four grays"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "touching my head with tools. Eventually"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "though, the four grays stopped working"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "on me. I, still paralyzed, suddenly"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "started being lifted in the air. The"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "bottom of the room lit up in a blinding"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "light, and before I knew it, I was back"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "in my backyard. Except this time, I was"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "levitating in the air while the four"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "grays before were nearby me. It was"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "still nighttime when the grays walked"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "towards my house. They opened my back"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "door without even touching it and"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "levitated both me and themselves through"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "the house. Soon enough, they placed me"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "in my bed, causing me to fall asleep. I"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "woke up at 5:00 a.m. sleeping on my back"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "in my bed while my sheets were"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "straightened, which isn't normal at all."}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "I normally sleep on my side and my"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "sheets aren't straightened when I wake"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "up. This is something that shows up"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "quite a bit as well uh in abductions."}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "You hear about people who've gone"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "camping and suddenly wake up, their"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "clothes are outside or their pants are"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "on backwards or their shoes are on the"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "wrong feet or their shoes have dirt on"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "them and they're in their bed like kind"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "of a botched operation. Sometimes they"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "they they don't know exactly that we're"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "creatures of habit and will recognize"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "these things. Between my first and"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "second abduction, I had nightmares,"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "repeated nightmares. Looking back, many"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "of these nightmares depicted a distorted"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "form of my first abduction. However, my"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "memories were initially wiped of my"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "first abduction, so I wasn't able to"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "figure out the source of these strange"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "nightmares. Often times, my nightmares"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "featured me being in a dark room pursued"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "by shadowy figures and being entirely"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "helpless. Interesting little uh moment"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "here because so many experiencers"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "whether abductees or whether just people"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "who uh meet come in contact with these"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "beings depict some of sometimes they"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "depict them having blurry faces or"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "wearing a mask or being shadowy almost"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "like there is some type of"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "psychic alteration that they're capable"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "of doing. like they don't actually have"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "to wear a mask, that they can just"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "change your perception of them in a way"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "that distorts your memory of"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "them. Everything changed though when I"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "learned how to lucid dream at age 13."}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "Being sick of nightmares, I searched for"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "ways online to try to get rid of"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "nightmares. And one of those things was"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "lucid dreaming. For whatever reason, I"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "picked up lucid dreaming absurdly quick."}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "I had sleep paralysis, but only twice"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "before I learned how to lucid dream"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "nearly consistently. Within a month, I"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "went from having constant uncontrollable"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "nightmares to having pleasant lucid"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "dreams almost every night. If you're"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "someone out there that suffers from"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "sleep paralysis, there definitely is a"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "lot of literature on how to roll out of"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "that because you're essentially in the"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "out-of body state. You just don't know"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "how to leave your body. So, you're kind"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "of confined and panicking. But"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "apparently, there's some there's some"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "work there that you guys can look into."}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "I've never had sleep paralysis. I have"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "had multiple out of- body experiences,"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "but I know that that even those out-of-"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "body experiences are terrifying. So, I"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "can imagine how much more so it would be"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "if you couldn't move during that event."}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "How you guys liking this so far? I think"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "this is"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "interesting. For unknown reasons, I also"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "began to have dreams that predicted the"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "future. Most often, they would depict a"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "storm like a tornado or thunderstorm"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "about 3 days before some of these storms"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "appeared. I've also had dreams predict"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "the bodies but not faces of people I"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "would meet in the future and my"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "relationship with them. Most often"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "friends and even dreams predict rooms"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "that I'd be in despite me having never"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "been in said rooms. These clairvoyant"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "dreams happened once every couple of"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "weeks"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "uncontrollably and would feel stronger"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "than a normal dream and or even a lucid"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "dream. Regardless, as time went on, I"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "improved my lucid dreaming skills more"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "and more over the next few years. As I"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "grew to ages 14, 15, and 16, my control"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "over my dreams became stronger and more"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "effortless. Now, that seems to track if"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "you're into lucid dreaming. It it is"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "something you can practice. There's work"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "by a parasychologist uh by the name of"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "Rupert Sheldrake as well that really"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "talks about how some dreams have"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "precognitive elements in them and that"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "he encourages dream"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "journaling which is basically keeping a"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "journal by your bedside and any"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "recollection you have of the dream just"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "write it down because those memories"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "fade pretty quickly as I'm sure most of"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "you know and that if you jot down some"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "of the elements that are present in"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "these dreams you might find that some of"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "them might actually end up being"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "precognitive, meaning they predict"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "things that will happen. We've also seen"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "precognitive events in out-of- body"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "states. Uh I made a three-part series on"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "the gateway and leaving your body. In"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "the third part, we talked to Graham"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "Nichols who left his body and during"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "then witnessed an explosion on Old"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "Compton Street in London. This was"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "witnessed by five other people that he"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "told five other people about this and"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "then 5 days later an actual bomb"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "exploded at that very location in the"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "pub that he said it was going to explode"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "in. I don't dismiss the"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "precognitive idea so quickly. This is"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "going to be the forefront of science in"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "a few years. I guarantee it. Then came"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "my second abduction. I went to sleep on"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "the night of April or May 2019. I was 16"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "then. At the time, I had papers stuck in"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "my right ear. A bit of a weird story,"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "but I have hearing I have a hearing"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "sensitivity due to my autism. And before"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "I chose to get noiseancelling"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "headphones, I would block out noise by"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "covering my ears with crumpled paper."}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "One of the crumpled bits got stuck in my"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "right ear, though. So, oops. Anyways,"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "unlike last time where I was conscious"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "on my trip from the craft, I simply"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "appeared standing in a small corridor of"}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "sorts. At first, I tried to check if I"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "was dreaming, which I do by attempting"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "to manipulate the world, checking my"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "hands to see if they look normal, etc."}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "But to my surprise, it seemed as though"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "I wasn't dreaming. To my left of that"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "corridor was a wall of several switches,"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "lights, and latches. It looked sort of"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "similar to the front of a really old"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "computer of sorts. Naturally, I didn't"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "bother touching any of them. To the"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "right were two short grays. standing"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "there in the same blue jumpsuits that I"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "saw them before. I felt terrified at"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "first, of course, especially since I"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "forgot about my first abduction at that"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "point, but then I saw the tall alien I"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "met before telepathically saying the"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "same things she said before. Calm down,"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "my sweet child. My sweet little child."}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "My fear washed away as the two aliens"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "and I walked towards her. The room we"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "were in looked exactly like my abduction"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "room, except I had four beige doors that"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "looked like this. These doors are"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "capable of sliding upwards for someone"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "to go through them. The two aliens took"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "similar metal tools to the ones they"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "used last time, although they didn't"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "stick any needles into my head or"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "anything. They just quickly move the"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "tools around my body. The gray on the"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "right did notice something in my right"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "ear, though, and reached in using these"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "metal clamps to pull it out. My first"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "thought was, \"Who are you and what am I"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "doing here?\" Which she responded with,"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "\"I am your watcher. I will answer your"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "other questions later.\""}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "\"Now follow me,\" she telepathically"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "said, and I followed her through a beige"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "door that opened by sliding upwards. The"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "window showed outer space. It looked"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "beautiful, but it was more or less"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "space. My watcher told me to look at"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "her, which I followed obediently."}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "Staring into her big, deep eyes, I can"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "tell her eyes weren't just pure black,"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "but were rather a very, very dark blue."}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "Her skin was also relatively a bit more"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "green compared to the other shorter"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "grays I saw"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "earlier. After staring into her eyes for"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "a bit, she then said that now you can"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "see. I looked back through the window"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "and my goodness, it was space, but far,"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "far more magical. It looked like your"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "typical artist's painting you'd see when"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "searching up HD wallpapers of space, but"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "somehow even better than that. It's like"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "I could see red-like hues, green and"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "yellow like hues, and purple like hues"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "that were hues that you normally"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "couldn't see in real life. My watcher"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "told me that this is what I could see if"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "I could master my mind. I then woke up"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "laying on my back with straightened"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "sheets once again. At the time, I woke"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "up with no memory of what actually"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "occurred, although I did notice later"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "that day that the paper stuck in my"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "right ear was completely gone. In"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "addition, in the following years, I"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "would have lucid dreams where I could"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "see colors I couldn't see in real life."}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "I was never sure where these dreams came"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "from or why they happened, at least not"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "until recently. So, let's pause here for"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "a second. I do have a base theory"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "running currently or a hypothesis that"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "I'm kind of putting together based on a"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "lot of research and a lot of stories and"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "and everything else. And something"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "really rings true to me, which I'll"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "eventually get into more deeply once"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "I've really rounded off, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "uh the jagged corners of this"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "hypothesis. But I believe to a certain"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "extent that we are interacting with a"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "system that we're not directly"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "interacting with the intelligence behind"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "the system, but that this system does"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "have an"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "intelligence, just not one like you or"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "me. It's an automated system. I think"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "it's very procedural. And this system,"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "you know, could be around for many"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "different reasons at the same time,"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "including possibly manipulating or"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "maintaining the, you know, human"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "presence on this earth, among so many"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "other things. Maybe even the flora and"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "fauna and all sorts of other things. But"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "I I think that that's kind of maybe what"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "we're interacting with 50% of the time"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "is this system. This system has these"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "beings, these genderless beings that"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "seem task oriented, that you know do"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "these mundane tasks. They also have"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "these larger beings that seem a little"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "bit more empathetic, that are able to"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "psychically calm you down, that are"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "almost there to reassure you constantly"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "so that the trauma perhaps doesn't"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "affect, you know, the test subject."}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "You know, if you go into an enclosure"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "with a panda, a lot of times they dress"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "up as pandas, not to alarm them, you"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "know, and they don't want to affect"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "their natural habitat because they want"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "that natural state to develop without"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "their"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "interference. And so maybe they're just"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "trying to calm us down, right, and like"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "wipe our memories so that everything"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "remains. And they've seen that, you"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "know, if they don't do that, there's"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "trauma and it kind of affects the"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "subject. But anyways, so really three"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "things"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "happen in three things that happen"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "across the board with the abduction"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "concerning these type of"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "extraterrestrials. You know, in regards"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "to this system, it seems like three"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "things happen. One, you get taken and"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "experimented on. And and I don't mean"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "experimented as in they don't know what"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "they're doing. I mean there there are"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "procedures that happen. And there are a"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "variety of procedures that seem to be"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "the same uh among abductees but"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "different between male and female."}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "Troubling procedures that do"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "happen. Number two, after the procedure"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "is done, you're given a"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "tour of the ship. A lot of"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "times people are given a tour of the"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "ship and are shown beautiful things."}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "Kind of what's happening right now. Even"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "in the case of Chris Bledsoe, he was"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "given the tour where he said he was in a"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "bubble looking around. They showed him"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "the pyramids. They showed him all these"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "beautiful things on Earth. These tours"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "happen across the board again. And the"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "last thing they do, and I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "that's what we're going to get into, but"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "the last thing they do is they show you"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "terrible things. They show you nuclear"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "blasts and famine and war. And you know"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "if you go back to Rua Zimbabwe, the"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "children um that witnessed the 60s some"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "odd children that had witnessed this"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "craft land and these beings come out and"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "they were you know psychically shown"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "these images of the world ending and so"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "many other abductees again including"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "Chris Bledsoe were shown these terrible"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "things as if saying look what you're"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "doing smarten up you need to change. It"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "seems like that is pretty par for the"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "course and it seems like it might be an"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "automated system at this point because I"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "think a lot it's it's too"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "frequent and it gives"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "nothing. I I suppose it adds reassurance"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "to the person who was taken in that,"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "hey, look, we're doing this for the"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "greater good and we're actually taking"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "care of you and sort of leaving you with"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "not such a foul taste in your mouth and"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "perhaps to some extent justifying the"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "terrible things that they're doing to"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "us. Like, no, we're not the bad guys."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "You're the bad guys. We're just trying"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "to help you here. Look how bad you are."}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "And then we kind of leave being grateful"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "and thankful for the uh horrendous"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "procedures that were just done and the"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "fact that we were stolen out of our"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "beds. Um you know and so it does seem to"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "be like some weird automated system. The"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "second reason I believe that is because"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "what what what has come from that? What"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "has come from showing any of these"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "people the end of the world? Nothing."}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "These people will they they don't go on"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "to you know change the laws or or what"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "what they grow up to to speak at"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "conferences to to other people who are"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "interested in UFOs or they get so"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "psychologically traumatized that they"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "become reclusive and we don't hear about"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "them. So surely they know that telling"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "us these things won't change the world."}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "Why continue to do it? Well, the answer"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "is it's probably just"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "programming hypothesis"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "only. Sorry for that"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "uh parenthesis, that large parenthesis,"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "but this is something I've been thinking"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "about quite a bit after reading, you"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "know, a lot of books on it. And it does"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "seem to match up in a certain way. But"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "let's see what this gentleman or I don't"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "even know, is this male or female? What"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "this person has to say? 3 years later,"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "19 years old, I was abducted about 1:00"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "a.m. on October 30th, 2021, when the"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "third abduction occurred. At this point"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "in time, I was beginning to research"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "about the UFO and UAP phenomena out of"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "curiosity for the past month. Over time,"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "however, I began to piece together that"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "maybe, just maybe, a lot of weird things"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "had occurred in my life, from my"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "nightmares to my family's"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "experiences and being able to see"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "strange shadow entities, among other"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "issues, was entirely because of me being"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "abducted. As I was walking downstairs to"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "get a midnight snack, I saw the tall"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "alien, my"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "watcher, standing right by my front"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "door. Judging by the height of the door"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "that I measured after the abduction, I"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "could tell that she's about 7'2 or 7"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "foot 3, so 2.18 to 2.21 m tall. Despite"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "seeing an unwanted being in my house,"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "seeing her made me feel calm somehow. As"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "I heard the same phrase I heard before"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "in my head, \"Calm down, my sweet little"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "child.\""}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "Wanting to get evidence, I lifted up my"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "phone, which was in my hand at the time,"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "and rushed to turn it on. But the"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "instant I even thought to capture her on"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "camera, she vanished."}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "\"Come downstairs,\" I heard in my"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "mind. I came downstairs, albeit"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "cautiously. I had my phone on to capture"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "them on camera and was ready to yell to"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "wake up my parents if anything bad"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "happened. The second I walked into my"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "kitchen though, I saw four short grays I"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "saw earlier, and my vision blanked out."}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "My first thought was to check if this"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "was a dream by checking if my hands"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "looked normal than trying to manipulate"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "the world around me. I'm a pretty good"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "lucid dreamer at this point, so I"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "figured out how to discern dreams from"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "reality. Both checks, however, seemed to"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "suggest that this was in some way"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "reality. My watcher said, \"Look at me.\""}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "and I looked. As she stared into my eyes"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "and I into hers, my forgotten memories"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "of my past abductions came flooding"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "back. I am your watcher. Her voice"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "echoed in my mind. But you can call me"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "mama. After that, I felt dizzy for a"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "bit. She continued to stare at me while"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "I had to close my eyes. Over the next"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "couple of seconds, a dozen thoughts a"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "second rushed into my mind. I answered"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "all of your questions, she said"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "telepathically in her soothing voice."}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "I'll list these questions and answers"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "towards the end of the post to let the"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "story continue. She then told me through"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "a separate telepathic message that we're"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "contacting you because your family has"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "great psionic potential. However, your"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "anxiety is getting in the way. She"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "lifted me up in the air without lifting"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "a finger and moved me across the room"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "onto her lap, cradling me like a baby."}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "Look at me again. Looking into her deep,"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "dark blue eyes, I heard her in my mind"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "say, \"Calm down, my sweet little child.\""}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "Or should I say, \"Calm down, my sweet"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "little girl.\" I must have had a positive"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "reaction to the latter because she"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "started repeating, \"Calm down, my sweet"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "little girl.\" in my head over and over"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "and over again. It felt soothing and"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "euphoric, like I've never felt this"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "comfortable in my entire life."}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "Eventually, what seemed like hours, she"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "said, \"If you ever get scared or feel"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "pain, just think of me, your mama.\""}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "Okay. The last words I heard before I"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "fell asleep in her arms was, \"I need to"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "learn astral projection next. We'll come"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "back once you mastered"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "that.\""}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "Um, weird. The whole mama thing is super"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "weird, but the whole Yeah. The I I guess"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "the whole motherly feminine"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "energy perhaps is something that they"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "feel deep down. It's what would soothe"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "us the most is like the voice of a"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "mother cradling you. I think that would"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "be the best way to calm anyone down. I"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "couldn't think of a better way of"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "feeling more comfortable than the"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "feeling of, you know, your mother"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "cradling you, telling you it's going to"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "be fine. Interesting strategy here to uh"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "calm down the human. Suddenly, I woke up"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "on the couch in my family room at 2:30"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "a.m., which was weird since I didn't"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "even enter my family room from my"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "memory. This was especially weird since"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "I usually sleep from 8:00 a.m. to 3:00"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "p.m. or so. I'm never even remotely"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "tired at this time. At first, I tried my"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "best to dismiss what happened as a"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "dream. It couldn't have happened, right?"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "Wait, does this person sleep from 8:00"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "a.m. to 3:00 p.m.? They work the night"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "shift or something? That's kind of a"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "crazy sleep schedule, if you ask me."}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "They did mention that they were"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "autistic, so perhaps there's something"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "there that uh leads them to be uh more"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "of a nocturnal person. In addition, I"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "suffered from daily headaches and body"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "pains, which was diagnosed as"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "fibromyalgia by a rheatologist in"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "February. Even though the headaches and"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "pains have gotten better as I followed"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "my doctor's treatment, these headaches"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "and pains have never fully went"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "away until this abduction incident. I"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "have yet to have a headache or pain in"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "my body since, and it's been nearly a"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "week when I usually feel these pains"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "daily. Well, that's interesting. You"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "know, the the the"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "healing idea is something that comes up"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "quite often as well. And again, I, you"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "know, reference Chris Bledsoe because"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "he's such a famous case, but there are"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "so many other cases as well where people"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "have felt that they've been either"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "healed or or cured of of certain certain"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "diseases. Here are the questions I asked"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "my watcher and that she answered. Now,"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "we get into the Q&A, folks. Question."}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "Why did you abduct me? Answer: We abduct"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "your family line because you and your"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "family have high psionic"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "abilities. However, your relatives, she"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "showed an image of my dad and grandma in"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "my mind, have ignored the truth for"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "religion. You're more open-minded."}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "Question, how long have you been"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "following my family line? Answered 237"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "years."}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "Question: Why did my parents' car"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "teleport? For context, my parents and I"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "experienced our car teleporting to a"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "completely different part of town while"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "my dad was driving in May of"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "2015. Answer to save your parents'"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "lives. If we didn't save your parents,"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "this would interfere with your psychic"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "abilities. Whoa, that's crazy. There"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "there are accounts as well of people"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "just driving seeing a bright light or"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "something and then all of a sudden be"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "driving in a different direction or in a"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "different part of town or hours later."}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "Betty and Barney Hill being a very"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "famous case of that. But these things"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "tend to happen pretty regularly. So if"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "you've ever driven somewhere and had"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "missing time, you know, perhaps, hey,"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "perhaps you were being saved. Why did"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "you wait until now? Answer: We knew you"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "would come to the conclusion that you've"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "been abducted. We waited until then as"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "well as you mastered your lucid"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "dreaming."}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "Question, what is behind the four beige"}, {"end": "00:38:43", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "doors? Answer: The deck, the window, the"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "pilot room, and the engine room. She"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:43", "text": "made a map of what she believed the"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "alien ship looked like. It's also really"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "interesting because a lot of"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "these ships, and this is very common,"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "once again, seem to"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "manipulate space in a way that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "seem possible where the inside of the"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "craft actually appears to be much larger"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "than the outside. Are there other rooms?"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "Answer: Yes. Can I see them? Answer: No."}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "Question: What are you aliens? You"}, {"end": "00:39:22", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "graze. I like how that's she's like,"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "\"You graze, bro.\" Answer. For as long as"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:22", "text": "you live, we cannot tell you or"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "humanity. This was also the answer to"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "many other questions regarding the"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "nature of the universe, their"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "technology, where they live,"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "etc. Huh? For as long as you live, we"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "cannot tell you or humanity. Does tie"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "into the whole future us"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "thing. What if the future us, right,"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "needs to fix something in the past, but"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "we can't do"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "it because that'll affect the future us."}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "That'll that'll make them become us,"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "which is what we're trying to fix in the"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "first place, right? So, instead, we make"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "these aliens that look nothing like"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "us, so that we don't even come to the"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "conclusion that that could be us in the"}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "future. and that actually the future us"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "just looks like"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "us. You know, much like what Travis"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "Walton witnessed when he had these"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "little guys working on him when he"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "fought them off. He ended up"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "encountering these humanoid looking"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "people who, you know, for all we know"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "hired a bunch of grays, you know, to do,"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "you know, the mundane work. What"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "technology do you use? Answer"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "electromagnetism, I presume, and"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "psionics. You wouldn't understand if we"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "told you. This was also a common answer"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "to many other questions regarding the"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "nature of the universe, their"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "technology, where they live, etc."}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "Question. Is religion real? Answer. Yes,"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "all are to some degree. All right."}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "Question. If you're a watcher, what"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "other aliens exist? Man, these are great"}, {"end": "00:41:03", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "questions. All right. Kudos to the"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "person who wrote this. These are"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:03", "text": "fantastic questions. Answer. There are"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "watchers/observers. those who reproduce"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "and others. I personally call those who"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "reproduce breeders. Question: Would a"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "reproducing alien abduct me? Answered."}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "No, that would interfere with your"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "purpose. We specifically have you and"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "your family marked to not reproduce"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "with. Question, what is my purpose?"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "Answer: To learn psychic"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "abilities. You should also have"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "children, preferably three or four if"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "possible, given how well we predict you"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "can handle children, but we won't force"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "you to since we know you don't want"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "children. If you follow what we say,"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "then this will be the best for both of"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "us.\" She then telepathically showed me"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "clairvoyant visions, including a vision"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "of what life career I should"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "pursue, and it was an animator. what a"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "future romantic partner of mine would"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "look like and a vision of me floating in"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "space seeing colors I normally couldn't"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "see in real life. If I remember any more"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "questions, I'll be sure to put them"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "here. The psionic part is really"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "interesting because this is 4 years ago."}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "This is 2021 prior to a lot of the quote"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "unquote psionic talk we've been hearing"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "about, you know, with Jake Barber and"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "whatnot and the whole Sky Watcher thing."}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "Yeah, I'd be curious to"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "know where this person currently is and"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "if this person wants to reach out to me"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "anonymously, I'd be happy to"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "uh to talk to them."}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "Skepticism. I've tried telling a few"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "friends and family some details on what"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "happened only to be met with skepticism."}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "To be honest, even I don't fully believe"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "what I experienced. Maybe it's right to"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "be"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "skeptical. Here's some skeptical points"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "that I've seen others bring up. Okay,"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "very forthcoming about skeptical, you"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "know, inquiry, which I think is very"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "healthy. Perhaps all of my abductions"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "were just extremely vivid dreams. Dreams"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "that seemed even more realistic than"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "typical lucid"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "dreams. Perhaps my parents' car"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "teleporting is because my parents and I"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "just coincidentally fell asleep on the"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "wheel and drove to the other side of"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "town somehow, or we just drove to a"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "completely different part of our city"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "without all three of us noticing"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "somehow. Perhaps my anxiety, headaches,"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "and body pain going away are just my"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "mind's placebo effects. Perhaps me and"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "my family seeing shadow entities or even"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "straight up aliens in real life are just"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "hallucinations. Perhaps I have a mental"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "condition I need to check out. To combat"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "this point, I actually visited two"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "psychologists regarding me seeing these"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "strange entities in real life long"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "before my third abduction and me even"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "remembering my previous abductions. Both"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "of them had me do tests to see if I had"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "anything like schizophrenia. And both of"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "them said that I'm perfectly sane. Yes,"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "I do have autism. No, autism does not"}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "cause people to see stuff, see this"}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "stuff rather. Perhaps my family"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "experiencing all of these things and not"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "just me exclusively is just inherited by"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "genetics or passing down"}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "culture. So, some of the skeptical"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "points don't make logical sense to me,"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:08", "text": "but hey, this alien counter hardly makes"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "logical sense. So, honestly, believe"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "whatever you want to believe. No"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "judging. Heart emoji. I'm an artist, by"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "the way. So, if you have"}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "anything that I saw that you want me to"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "sketch, I can definitely do so. I also"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "have a myriad of stories of my father,"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "grandma, great grandma, and siblings"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "have told me or passed down to me that"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "might be related to alien abduction as"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "well. I could post about those if"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "anybody wants to see that. Edit. Here's"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "a sketch of the aliens and a sketch of"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "what the UFO looked like from the bottom"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "as well. First of all, I want to commend"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "this person on coming out. You know, if"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "this is uh completely made up, fine. For"}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "what? 145 likes. Cool. All right. If"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "this is real, commend this person. I"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "think they're very brave for um you"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "know, even talking about it. Even"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "anonymously, I think is very difficult"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "to talk about something that so many"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "people would um"}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "dismiss. Again, even anonymously. I"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "think if you were to type this out and"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "just like waiting for someone's response"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "and it's just negative, negative,"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "negative, that affects you."}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "right? As a person, even if no one else"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "sees it, you're like,"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "damn, this, you know, kind of sucks that"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "I can't put put this out there and that"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "people, you know, will think I'm crazy."}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "So, good on them for doing that. I'm"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "curious to know if this person has had"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "any luck astral projecting, you know,"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "and wonder maybe if they've watched my"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "documentary on astral projecting. May"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "maybe that'll help. Yeah, it makes me"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "now question the um the voice that I"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "heard in my"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "head on the last time, you know, that I"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "astral projected. Again, if you haven't"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "watched that three-part series, I I"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "highly suggest going to watch it. But on"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "the third part, as I was walking out of"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "my body, leaving my room, broad"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "daylight, by the way, I wasn't asleep. I"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "was meditating, left my body, saw my"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "body. I go to my window, try to leave,"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "and I hear a female"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "voice as loud as as loud as this go,"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "what are you doing? And the tone was"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "more like, \"What do you think you're"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "doing?\" But it was, \"What are you"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "doing?\" And it was a female voice that I"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "did not recognize. And it was coming"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "from behind me. And I was like, and I"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "kind of like froze in fear, saw my body,"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "went back to my body, didn't look over"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "there, just like kind of went back into"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "my body. and then came out of my"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "meditation. Sounds crazy, I know, but"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "I'm, you know, I'm not afraid to I'm not"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "afraid to say what happened, you know."}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "Why would I be afraid to say what"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "happened? I'm I'm just relaying what I"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "perceived, you know, and uh it makes me"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "a little uneasy reading this because now"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "I hear about this"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "voice, you know, this feminine, and now"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "I'm starting to think, oh, wait, is"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:57", "text": "astral projecting tied into the"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "phenomenon somehow? And I always thought"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "that it was, but never so"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "directly. So, it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "Yeah. Interesting. Let's look at the"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "pictures here. So, a sketch of the"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "aliens. I love how they're like kind of"}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "smiling. Well, at least some of them"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "are, not all of"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:19", "text": "them. One, two, three, and four are the"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "names I've given. I gave the four"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "shorter grays that I didn't have names"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "for. Um, one was 53, so about her size."}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "One was"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "5'9, one was 5'6, and one was 49. Okay."}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "So, they all had a little bit they all"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "seemed to to have a little bit of a"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "different feature. They didn't seem"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "identical, which is cool. And then there"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "was Mama the Watcher. About 73. Very"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "interesting. And blue seems to be the"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "color that these aliens wear for some"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "reason. Seems to be the garb they chose."}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "Why blue? You know, that's interesting"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "because blue is a is a choice. Could"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "have been red, could have been yellow."}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "Why"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "blue? Why not white? something neutral."}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "Why"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "blue? Did they think, \"Oh, blue is a"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "common color for humans.\" Or they're"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "just like, \"No, we like blue. Blue is"}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "sick. Blue is a nice color.\" Like, what"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "was the what was the actual decision"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "behind"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "blue? That bugs"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "me. Whoa. Here is the bottom. This is a"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "great picture, but here's the bottom of"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "the craft. And I love how they included"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "it sort of reflecting too with that big"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "red light. That is super"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "sick. This person then continued"}, {"end": "00:48:44", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "to answer um a lot of questions. So, she"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "does say here, uh, \"Thanks for the luck"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "with astral projection. I figured it's"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "going to take a while to"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "learn.\" And someone says, \"Not as hard"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "as you might think. Ever since my"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "experiences, I found it pretty easy to"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "do to the point where I almost wonder if"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "that's because of my alien experiences."}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "like they just made me super comfortable"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "with slipping out of my body, like"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "taking off an old boot. I detailed how"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "to do it in my thread here, though I'm"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "not though I'm sure you're probably"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:09", "text": "aware of this technique. She says,"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "\"Thanks for the info. It's interesting"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "to read about your simple technique for"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "astral projection. Thanks so much for"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "linking your thread. I'll definitely try"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "your technique out.\" This person then"}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "says, \"Give it a shot. Just this past"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "week, I had another astral projection"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "experience, and this time it went a bit"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "farther than usual. It's all about"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "walking that tight rope between waking"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "and sleep, between relaxation and"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "concentration. The hardest part for me"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "is that usually once I leave my body, or"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "so it seems, I immediately start zooming"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "forward at ridiculous speeds and it just"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "becomes kind of frightening. Honestly,"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "this most recent time I started flying"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "through space and eventually heard a"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "strange tiny voice which said something"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "like, \"Please proceed to the lower"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "levels.\" Then it said something about"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "checking out the surface of the sun. and"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "I woke up shortly there after. It was"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "really weird. I don't blame people who"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "think it's all a dream or whatever, but"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "no matter what it is, it's distinctly"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "different from straight up dreams. In my"}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "experience, astral projection is just"}, {"end": "00:50:08", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "really bizarre, to be honest. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "really make sense somehow. It's like an"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:08", "text": "alternate reality rather than simply"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "being our own reality, but out of body."}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "It's like nowhere in Silent Hill or the"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "upside down in Stranger Things, the sort"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "of offshoot imitation of reality. At"}, {"end": "00:50:25", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "least that's my experience."}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "1,000%. That is so well put. And that is"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:25", "text": "definitely coming from somebody who's"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "had out-of- body experiences because the"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "room is the same but like an 80% match."}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "It's either bigger or smaller or wonky."}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "It's a little bit off. And again, I'm"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "I'm in a lucid state. I'm completely"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "aware that my body is over there in that"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "I just closed my eyes 20 seconds ago."}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "Like it's there's no time delay. I"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "didn't wake up in this thing. I I went"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "from meditating, taking my headphones"}, {"end": "00:50:50", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "off, closing my eyes to instantly"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "leaving my body. it it feels like a"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:50", "text": "weird upside down realm. And someone"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "says, \"I'm sure this is hardly ever"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "said, but I envy you and your"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "experiences.\" And she says, \"I've heard"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "some speak of envy regarding my"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "experience. Truth be told, I wish some"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "of this could be passed on to other"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "people. At the very least, if they could"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "give us some of their medical technology"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "knowledge, such as whatever they use to"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "heal my anxiety and depression, that"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "would be wonderful, so as to have less"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "people suffer in the world.\" You know,"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "it is really interesting because"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "we we just completed, you know, a giant"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "three-part read through on this alien"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "being named Errol, you know, who said"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "that our souls are trapped here and that"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "when we die, you know, we leave our"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "bodies, but then we're sort of recycled"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "back into this planet. The astral"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "projection part of"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "it comes up here, you know, and then"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "call that the soul or whatever you want"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "or consciousness or the your spirit or"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "whatnot."}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "But it seems like that might be a key to"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "all of this and it might really explain"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "the US government's interest and the"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "Chinese government's interest and the"}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "Russians government interest"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "into the"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "parasychological extrenensory"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "perception precognitive experiences"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "psychic connections telepathy"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "telekinesis all of these amazing"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "seemingly impossible"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "feats of the human"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "mind are"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "all potentially very closely directly"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "and importantly related to the UFO"}, {"end": "00:52:35", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "phenomenon. And I think that's why folks"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "such as Hal Putoff, you know, who"}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:35", "text": "started Stargate back in the day and"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "other projects"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "are so closely tied to the UFO subject."}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "I think that's why I think because even"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "the psionic stuff we talk about, I think"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "the astral projection stuff we talk"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "about, I think it all has to do with the"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "phenomenon. And now, you know, after"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "reading the alien"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "interview, you look at that book as"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "fiction, but maybe there's something to"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "it. Maybe it's not all real, but maybe"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "there is something to it. Maybe there is"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "some type"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "of war or exchange going on or some type"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "of I don't know"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "containment here on earth that houses"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "the human spirit and that like you know"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "we need to sort of free ourselves doing"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "through these astral projections. Who"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "knows? It's fun to think about. again,"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "you know, as I'm reading through a lot"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "of the Q&A here with uh other people on"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "Reddit and this individual, she keeps"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "repeating on how skeptical she is. She"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "she keeps saying, \"Yeah, I'm very"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "skeptical about the things they told me."}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "I'm skeptical about everything.\" You"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "know, and I think that's a really"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "healthy way of approaching it. It's not"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "someone who's trying to force this"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "narrative down anyone's throat. they"}, {"end": "00:53:58", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "come to this particular subreddit, you"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "know, to be a little bit more vulnerable"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:53:58", "text": "and open and, you know, discussing"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "possibilities of it not being, you know,"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "a real thing. A lot of people here"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "talking about, uh, you know, past life"}, {"end": "00:54:17", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "and reincarnation, it gets as soon as"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "you talk about the soul's journey, you"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:17", "text": "know, we we talk about so many other"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "things here. It just really opens up the"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "floodgates."}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "So that concludes my read"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "through for uh this"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "particular"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "post. Bit of a change of pace. You know,"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "I don't think we've really looked into"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "the abductee experiencer stuff so much."}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "A lot of times we've been looking into"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "government documents or, you know,"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "whistleblowers. I think that this is"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "definitely an important topic that we"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "should be tackling and it's something"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "that I want to do a lot more of and"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "there is a"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "catch22 with approaching this particular"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "subject and the catch is you know having"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "experiencers come"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "forward without"}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "anonymity will"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "undoubtedly at some point in their like"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "it it'll change their lives right"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "because people might start treating them"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "differently. ly people close to them and"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "it's a very vulnerable thing and and on"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "the other side of that I never want to"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "be exploitative of these people because"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "the last thing I want to do is monetize"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "off someone's trauma. Um I'm fascinated"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "by this and I genuinely want"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "people to"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "understand that this is happening. All"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "right? This isn't just a bunch of crazy"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "people on Reddit. This is happening."}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "There's a lot there. And if you decide"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "to read the books yourselves and not"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "ignore it or try to fit it into your own"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "current model and expand your worldview"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "by picking up some of these books and"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "reading some of these accounts or"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "speaking to people who've had"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "experiences, you will quickly realize"}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "that we are dealing with something more"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "profound and more authentic than you"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "might be comfortable."}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "living with. I believe that there's a"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "lot of stories out there that should be"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "told. And I think that the audience that"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "we're cultivating here, that we're"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "fostering here at Area 52, for the most"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "part, is the perfect audience to receive"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "some of these people as well, because I"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "think a lot of you and by reading a lot"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "of the comments and engaging with you in"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "the different channels that we have seem"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "to be very open-minded, accepting,"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "loving, and uh not too cynical, and"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "definitely um you know, there's"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "definitely trolls out there, but most of"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "you, I think, are have your hearts in"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "the right place and are willing to at"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "least at the very least hear out what"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "people have to say without judgment. And"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "I think that suspension of judgment goes"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "a long way with people who've"}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "experienced things. And so yeah, I'll"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "leave it at that. Thank you so much for"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "watching. Thank you for listening. And"}, {"end": "00:57:08", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "folks, I will be at contact in the"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "desert. I didn't want to film anything"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:08", "text": "over there cuz I kind of wanted to let"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "loose and just kind of like hang out and"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "meet people, which is what I'll be"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "doing. But I'll also bring my camera in"}, {"end": "00:57:18", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "case. And I might just film a little"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "something for you guys cuz I have"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:18", "text": "nothing planned for the week that I get"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "back. As you know, I I film and edit all"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "of these videos myself. And uh I might"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "not have time to do that. So I might"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "just put something together about uh my"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "experience over there or perhaps some"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "interview. I don't know yet, but stay"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "tuned for that. That'll be next week."}, {"end": "00:57:36", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "And uh and then in the month of June,"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "we're going to have some more guests"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:36", "text": "come back into the skiff, which I'm"}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "really excited about as well. So thank"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "you for tuning in. I appreciate you. I"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "hope you guys have a lovely weekend and"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "we'll see you on the next video. Peace"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "and love."}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "[Music]"}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "All across America, strange noises are"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "being heard through the night, defying"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "explanation. This episode will take you"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "through three chilling cases proving"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "that our woods hides secrets nobody"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "wants to acknowledge. I'm Josh"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "Dinocchio. This is what lurks beneath."}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "You won't want to miss this one."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "Around 2022, in the southern part of"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "West Virginia, a man named Donnie, who"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "lived in a very isolated area not far"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "from the New River, was very fortunate"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "to be living in an incredibly beautiful"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "part of the country. It's very remote,"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "surrounded by dense forest and steep"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "mountains. He lived there all the time."}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "He didn't necessarily always want to be"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "out in nature. So, on this evening, his"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "friend Mark came over to his house and"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "it was a pretty normal night. They were"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "watching UFC. They were playing Xbox."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "They had a few beers. Just two friends"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "hanging out, having a good time. Well,"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "after a while, as the night went on, the"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "UFC fights had ended. And they'd been"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "playing video games for hours. 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It's"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "just a narrow path that winds through"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "the woods and occasionally it would open"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "up to give them glimpses of the"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "surrounding mountains and the moonlight."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "After about 30 minutes of just walking"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "slowly, which put them roughly halfway"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "along the trail, they decided to stop"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "and they found this fallen along that"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "made a perfect natural bench. And as"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "they're sitting there just chattering"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "away, they can't help but notice how"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "incredible it is to be out here. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "the forest is alive with all the usual"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "nighttime sounds, you know, crickets,"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "the frogs, everything. And during this"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "interaction between them, something"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "really strange happens. As they get up"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "off the fallen log to continue their"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "walk, the forest just suddenly goes"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "completely silent. Not gradually, but"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "kind of just all at once, like someone"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "just smashed the mute button on the"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "entire woods. I mean, one second there's"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "sounds from the animals and the wind and"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "everything like that, but the next it's"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "like they're in a vacuum. It was so"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "quiet it felt like a physical change."}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "Kind of like atmospheric pressure"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "changes before a storm. Now, this isn't"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "lost on Donnie and Mark, though, because"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "they both notice it immediately and they"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "actually stop talking midsentence and"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "look at each other. And if this has ever"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "happened to you, then you know that"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "there's something almost primal about"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "that moment when everything goes quiet."}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "And every instinct in their bodies is"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "suddenly on high alert. And so Donnie is"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "standing there and his ears are just"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "straining to listen to where the sounds"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "went because the silence is so intense"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "that he can start to hear his own"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "heartbeat, which is now starting to race"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "because they're both sharing this uneasy"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "feeling. And so he's talking to Mark and"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "he's like, \"Dude, we should go. I don't"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "I don't feel so hot about being out"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "here.\" And before they could finish this"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "such a short interaction, they both hear"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "a voice, but it's coming from deeper in"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "the woodline. And the strangest thing"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "about it is it wasn't just a person"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "calling them. obviously wasn't an"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "animal, but Donnie would later describe"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "it as a mocking humanoid voice, shaky"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "and uncertain, that it had a very weird"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "electronic quality to it, but not like a"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "recording or someone speaking through a"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "device. In fact, the closest thing that"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "Donnie compared it to was an old"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "children's toy, like the ones with the"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "crackly speakers and the robotic voices."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "kind of like something is trying its"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "hardest to mimic human speech but can't"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "quite get it right. And even stranger is"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "that the voice isn't saying anything"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "that makes sense. It's making these"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "weird sounds with the cadence and shape"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "of human speech, but nothing really"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "recognizable and they both just have"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "this mutual understanding that we need"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "to leave now. They don't just turn and"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "walk away. They both start running down"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "the trail in the opposite direction from"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "where this voice is coming from. They're"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "sprinting. They're full out stumbling"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "down the path because, you know, there's"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "roots and rocks there and it's very dark"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "and they only have the one flashlight"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "and Donniey's carrying it. As you know,"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "the beam is bouncing all over wildly."}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "It's kind of disorienting because the"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "way the lighting is and it's just not as"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "simple as they get back and they're"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "fine. Things continue to get weirder. As"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "a matter of fact, they didn't just run"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "away from the voice. As they run, this"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "voice is actually following them. No"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "matter how far they run away from it, it"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "always seems to maintain the same"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "volume, as if it's keeping pace with"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "them perfectly. And as Donnie begins to"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "notice this horrifying revelation, he's"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "in a complete state of panic, and he"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "starts to run through all the"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "possibilities of what this can be. Him"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "and Mark were on the verge of tears. In"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "fact, there was only a handful of times"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "in his life that Donnie had truly felt"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "like he was in danger. This is beyond"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "fear, right? This is fight or flight."}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "And by this point, they're about 5"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "minutes from the exit of the trail when"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "they hear something new. And it's a"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "scream, but it isn't like the weird"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "electronic voice they've been hearing."}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "It's actually what he would describe as"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "this primal animalistic scream that just"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "cuts through the night. Now, they have"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "no idea who made it, but they're"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "familiar enough with the sounds that it"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "didn't sound like a regular bear or"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "mountain lion. whatever it was had a"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "humongous set of lungs. This was more"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "than enough for Donnie and Mark to make"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "it to the trail exit in record time. And"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "they could see their car at the trail"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "head up ahead. And they don't slow down"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "until they reach it. They both jump in,"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "lock the doors, and they speed away. I"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "mean, we're talking tires spinning so"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "fast the gravel's just spraying. But"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "when they finally get back to Donniey's"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "house, they're still petrified. They go"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "in, they lock every door, every window,"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "and they don't dare go to sleep. They"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "stay up until sunrise, and every little"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "sound just jolts them, you know, cuz"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "they're just so on edge. They have no"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "explanation for what they heard that"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "night or what they experienced. They're"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "one of thousands who have experienced"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "very similar things in the wilderness,"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "especially at nighttime. Unfortunately,"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "whatever was out there that was trying"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "to lure them into the woods and mimic a"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "human voice and the scream, we'll never"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "know what it was. It's unsolved."}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "Just like Donnie and Mark, Ben, an"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "eyewitness that was featured on the show"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "These Woods Are Haunted, had an eerily"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "similar experience. Take a listen."}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": ">> The land where my uncle lives, I was"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "back there. I I know like the back of my"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "hand. I was back there constantly. I was"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "back there scouting, putting tree stands"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "in, um getting to know the lay of the"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "land. And uh back there, I I started"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "finding different kind of strange things"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "about this place. Even the first times"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "that the first time that I walked"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "through there, there were there were a"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "bunch of uh they were stone circles. And"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "I'm talking about they weren't stones."}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "They were big kind of like boulders."}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "Each one of them had there. Well, one of"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "them had six. The rest of them had five"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "big boulders in them. They had to take"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "two or three big guys to be able to move"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "these things. What I found out is I"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "guess these were this is what they used"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "as as markers like for people's"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "property. So when I found out that they"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "had these, you know, this this old"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "markers out there, I was like, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "maybe something happened back here.\" And"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "I started reading about it and a lot of"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "stuff did happen up there during"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "actually both of those wars with Lake"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "Erie right there. There were battles on"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "Lake Erie. There were there were fights"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "in those woods. There were there was all"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "kinds of stuff that happened in the past"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "up there. I started scouting that place"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "in the summertime. So, all the leaves"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "and stuff were still on the trees."}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "Everything like that was walking back"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "through there. Now, this is the first"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "time that I started recognizing"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "something kind of weird back there. It's"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "something I never saw before. Never saw"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "it since then. I was going down the"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "trail and I started seeing this like it"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "looked like gelatin. It was completely"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "clear. It's completely clear and it had"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "like there was almost like little black"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "spots in it. Not all of them. Some of"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "them had little black spots in it. First"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "I thought it might have been like frogs"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "when frogs put their uh they whenever"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "they put their string of eggs out. It'll"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "kind of look like that whenever it it"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "bunches up. But this that's always in"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "the water. There was no water here. And"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "when I started to look at it that it"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "definitely wasn't that. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "what it was. I I I didn't want to mess"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "with it too much. It didn't have any"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "smell and it was right along the Charles"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "right in front of me. Now, whenever I"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "would see this stuff, it I didn't I"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "don't know if it happened the very first"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "time, but I know the second time I seen"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "it that day and every time after that,"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "when I would start finding this this"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "gelatin stuff, this clear gelatin, it"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "would get quiet quiet in the woods. And"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "uh it it was an it was a really eerie"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "quiet now because like I remember I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "talking about the summertime. There's"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "birds. There's stuff flying around"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "everywhere."}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "And when you hear nothing in the woods,"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "especially whenever everything was"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "happening like that, usually there's a"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "predator in the woods somewhere through,"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "you know, through the whole time I was"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "there, I probably found that stuff good"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "20 25 times. And every time I would get"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "that eerie, real eerie silence whenever"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "I would find it. It It gives you a"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "feeling on the back of your neck that"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "you're not the only one in there like"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "something else is in there that can that"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "could mess with you and it's not a good"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "feeling in the woods, man. So now we're"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "getting into the fall time. Clear stuff."}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "I didn't see that for a long time after"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "that. It wasn't until fall started I"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "started seeing it again. Same type of"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "stuff happened. Now fast forward to that"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "day. That day I found that stuff too. I"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "saw it going in, but it'll it'll a"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "little bit more of a roll later on, but"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "I saw it going in. Same silence. I"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "didn't really think anything of it"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "because it was it was I've seen it a lot"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "of times at that point. It was still"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "weird, but I didn't know what it was. I"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "go out to this is now I'm with Brandon."}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "Brandon wasn't with me all the time. He"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "didn't like I took him hunting out"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "there. Uh he wasn't somebody who came"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "out scouting with me all the time. I"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "would he lived up in Eerie. So I would I"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "I had him a spot. We built him a tree"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "stand out there. Um, and that's where he"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "we were going to put him that day. So, I"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "walk him over to his treeand on that day"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "and then I walked over to mine. I got"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "like a a climbing tree stand. It's it's"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "a portable one. So, it's loud. It's kind"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "of tough to get up and down out of the"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "tree. And so, I get up in this tree. It"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "was like that I'd say I'd say an hour"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "into the hunt. I saw some movement over"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "like there's a fig over to my right and"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "I saw some movement over there and I"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "thought it was a deer and I looked over"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "and and it looked like deer legs. It"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "really did. I mean I thought I saw some"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "deer legs. So I actually got my bow up."}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "I'm looking looking I don't see"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "anything. I I'm not seeing any movement"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "again. But then I say I saw a little bit"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "more movement or whatever. Now I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "seeing a movement a little higher up and"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "then out comes out of the thicket."}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "There's another there's a tree and then"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "the thicket right here and a guy comes"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "out of the thicket and he's standing"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "there like at this point he's behind the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "tree. Okay. The way the tree was was it"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "was it was right caddy to me like the"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "thicket's right here. Here's the tree."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "It comes out and he's behind this tree"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "just standing there behind this tree not"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "moving yet. I get so I put my bow away."}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "I don't want to like I didn't want to"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "have a weapon in my hand with a with a"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "person walking through. So I put my bow"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "away, but this guy is still still"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "standing there. Couldn't really see him."}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "It's just he's still in a thicket"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "basically. So I get my binoculars up and"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "I can see him through the binoculars."}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "See him through the binoculars."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "Right out in front of me was this big"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "wet area. It's all wet mud. Just mud"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "everywhere. And I have looked at that"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "beforehand because I wanted to see if"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "there was any tracks or anything in it."}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "Uh it was right in front of my tree"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "stand. I'm looking through binoculars"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "and here he comes walking it. Now when I"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "say he was walking, he wasn't walking."}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "Okay? He had his arms"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "straight down at his side like this and"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "his arms never moved. Okay? So it was"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "straight down the side like this. His"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "chest was popped out a little bit and"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "his head was kind of tucked back. He had"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "a big bulbous nose like this and he had"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "a wig on with uh like an old judge wig"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "from the from I guess like it would be"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "like the 1600s I would imagine that"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "would be from. But I could see him"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "perfectly. So he has this he has a shirt"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "on here. I could see that ruffles on it"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "like a like a pirate. Even like his"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "pants were like a like a like a beiges"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "beige color yellow color and then I"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "could see his socks that were like what"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "this thing like tights the like it"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "pulled it like you know what I'm saying"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "like it pull the tights up there the"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "wall tight that was it I couldn't see"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "where his feet were but that would have"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "been down by where the you know the leaf"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "litter and all that was but but his legs"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "didn't move either. His legs didn't"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "move. His arms didn't move. This guy"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "looked like, non joking, it looked like"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "uh uh like a target going like this"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "across the across the uh woods. I'm"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "talking now this guy was he was only 25"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "yards ahead of me. It's not It was not"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "far. And I'm looking at him in my"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "binoculars. I'm not talking about like I"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "I it's not like I could see through him."}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "Nothing like that. I could it looked"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "like an actual person in the woods"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "walking out in front of me except that"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "he wasn't walking. It was like he was"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "floating across and when he went out so"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "he come out from this tree over here by"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "the thicket come across and now there"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "was another tree. Now these trees aren't"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "that big. They're not real big like"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "redwood trees just big enough to cover"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "them like sideways. So he comes out gets"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "behind this other tree and and uh I'm"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "waiting for him to come out the other"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "side. Looking my binoculars nothing."}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "He's not there anymore. I like where's"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "where is this guy at? And so this at"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "this point I'm f five minutes goes by"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "which felt a lot longer. I end up"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "calling Brandon. I told him I I told him"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "like I I just saw something and uh I"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "didn't even want to tell him what I saw"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "on the radio because I knew he was going"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "to start screwing with me. He's making"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "fun of me like I seen a minotaur walking"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "out of the woods because it was a"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "person. I told him I saw a deer first. I"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "told him what's going. said, \"Hey, come"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "come over here if you don't see it.\" I"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "said, \"If you don't see any deer, come"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "over here.\" Uh uh before a little bit"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "before uh dark, I I wanted to show him."}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "I said, \"I got to show you this over"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "here.\" So he said, \"All right, he'll"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "come over.\" I couldn't do anything else."}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "Like I just saw this thing that I"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "couldn't believe. Like I could He'd"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "never come back out of that tree. I'm"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "still totally freaked out because I"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "don't know who wouldn't be freaked out"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "enough that I started to get down out of"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "that treeand that that climbing tree"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "stand making a big racket. I at that"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "point I just didn't care. I had to go"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "down and see what what was going on. And"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "I fully man I fully intended this guy to"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "be somewhere like I didn't understand."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "My mind wasn't making any sense out of"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "what I just saw. There's no like the"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "only place he could have been was"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "standing behind that tree still. There's"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "no other place he could have went. There"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "was no other trees in the whole area. It"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "was just a it's a clear opening kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "and sure you know sure as hell I went"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "down there bottom tree got down looked"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "he ain't over there but what I really"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "wanted to see was that muddy area where"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "I was at you know where he was at. I"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "meant I knew that I had looked there"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "before. No new gear tracks, no new"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "tracks at all. And there were no his"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "tracks weren't there either. So that was"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "another confirmation of that I just saw"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "something completely unbelievable"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "because there's no way that he gets"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "through there. anybody gets through"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "there without leaving footprints there."}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "It was muddy enough that you might even"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "lose a shoe in there. It was muddy. I"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "ended up getting back up in my tree. The"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "rest of the day goes by. I didn't see"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "nothing else happen. I didn't see any"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "more deer or anything like that. It"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "starts to get uh darker out and uh he"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "calls me up on the radio and he says uh"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "he says, \"Hey man, I got to I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "come over now.\" I said, \"All right,"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "good.\" So he gets down. I get down out"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "of my stand. There was a my my uncle had"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "built a real big tree. It was a"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "treehouse. I mean, it's in the middle of"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "the woods. It's probably, I don't know,"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "40 to 50 yards away from my tree where I"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "was at. And he built it for his dad to"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "go rifle hunting and put a heater in"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "there and make it nice and warm and all"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "that. And it had reflectors on it and"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "all this other stuff on there. And it"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "was close to me. I just used it. I I"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "mean, I'm using as a landmark. I always"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "did use it as a landmark. It's right in"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "the middle of like the property. I know"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "exactly where I was at if I know where"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "that is. So Brandon ends up coming over"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "on the quad trails going all through"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "there too. The quad trails that we"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "walked down. We actually walked down the"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "quad trail in order to get to our spots."}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "I'm showing them like I'm showing them"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "where the guy come out of. We went over"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "to the thicket. I said this guy come out"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "of here. Here's where he was at. He"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "comes out and you know he walked over to"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "this tree over here. we're talking. I'm"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "showing him all this stuff and and once"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "he actually came over and he started"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "talking to me, I could tell he finally"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "believed me. He's like, \"Man, he"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "definitely saw something.\" Cuz I'm not"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "that wasn't going to be like it and I'm"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "not telling him to especially I'm not"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "going to get out ruin an entire hunt"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "just to, you know, do a joke on this"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "guy. He knew that. So, he comes over and"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "he he finally knows that that I'm being"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "serious about it and showing all this"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "stuff. Well, as I'm showing them,"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "there's there's three roads. It's Fry"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "Road. I think it's called Shared Hill,"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "and then there's another one. I think"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "it's another hill road. Um, but it's a"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "it's a triangle. Okay. And it goes all"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "the way around his property. And"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "actually, it goes it goes around a lot"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "of other people's property, too. It's a"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "pretty decent size, you know, land, but"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "it's it's not huge. It would be"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "different if it was in the summertime"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "with all the leaves on like it's hard it"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "gets harder in there to see. But this"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "was in the middle of fall. It gets very"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "cold up there quick. And the reason I"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "say that is because we're we're standing"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "under this pine tree talking about all"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "this stuff. And so I'm ready to go get"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "my tree stand to get out of there to go,"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "you know, take off my tree stand off a"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "tree and get out of there. And I"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "couldn't find my tree stand. And I"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "didn't understand what the I I mean we"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "were, like I said, when I saw that guy,"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "he was only 25 to 30 yards away."}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "somewhere in there. I couldn't find my"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "tree stand at all. I couldn't find the"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "tree that it was on and I couldn't find"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "the trail. So then we're start to go"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "look for the uh the the big stand that's"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "in the middle. I couldn't find it."}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "I couldn't find this huge"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "I mean, it's the size of a garage, man."}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "I mean, it's it's a building on top of"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "like 4 by or 8 by8s or whatever they"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "were, but it's up in the air. I'm"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "talking big big set of stairs,"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "reflectors on it, 50 yards away from me."}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "We could not find this house. That's"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "when I started getting a little bit"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "freaked out. I knew that we didn't go"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "anywhere. And we were standing exactly"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "where this guy come out in the thicket"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "except now it gets dark and and granted"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "when it gets dark in the woods, things"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "do change. It gets and if you start"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "panicking in the woods at nighttime, you"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "you will get lost. you'll you know you"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "you'll think that you're somewhere that"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "you're really not. I did that. I wasn't"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "stressed out like that. And on top of"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "that, I knew that land like the back of"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "my hand. I could go back there with my"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "eyes closed. So what we ended up doing"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "is we figured like if we could find a"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "light, we're just going to walk to any"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "light that we could find. And there's a"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "ton of them. There's different houses."}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "And all those houses in the back of"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "their house, they all have lights they"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "put on. And a lot of them have uh lights"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "that go on all night long. You know what"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "I mean? They're not just uh they're not"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "just motion detector lights. We we"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "figure, well, we just got to find a"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "light and then we'll walk out. We'll go"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "through their backyard and we'll get on"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "one of those roads because if you get on"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "any of those roads, you'll you can just"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "walk the road back, you know, to the to"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "my uncle's house. So, that was our plan,"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "but we couldn't find any lights. We"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "should have been able to see his lights."}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "Actually, couldn't find his. Couldn't"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "see the neighbor's lights. couldn't see"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "his other neighbors lights. If they're"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "not right there, they just got to be a"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "little further down. That's it's only"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "what are we going to do? We couldn't"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "think of anything else. It was kind of"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "like a situation like what do you do"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "here? Everything was so different than"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "it was. So, we started walking a little"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "bit and we kept the thicket to our"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "right. That way, we at least knew we"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "were going in a straight line cuz you"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "can get turned around in the woods at"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "night, too. Like you could step over a"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "log and start going the complete"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "opposite direction. That's what people"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "don't that's how people get lost in wood"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "if you don't have a compass cuz you"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "can't stay in a straight line. You end"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "up going that's way. We kept that"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "thicket with us to our right. When we"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "were walking I started seeing the goo"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "again. And it was in front of us. And"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "this was the first time that I didn't"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "that it wasn't actually on a trail in"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "front of us. It was always on a trail. I"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "mean granted we were walking on the"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "trail. So I mean I'm going to see it"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "more on a trail but I did look in the"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "other place. I never found it in the"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "leaf litter. There was a lot of it this"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "time. It's like gelatin. It was like"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "more firm gelatin. It was kind of like"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "hard to push through with a stick. It"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "was night, so everything was it was"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "quiet really already, but it was it was"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "that real weird eerie quiet silence that"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "that we felt. And now that one when when"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "that when that happened, that's when we"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "heard the first scream coming out of the"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "thicket. And"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "it it sounded I mean it it sounded like"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "a person. It sounded like a person"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "getting hurt,"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "getting killed."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "It was somebody it sounded like somebody"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "that was in a lot of pain to the point"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "where we were going to run back into"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "that thicket trying to find whoever it"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "was. But that thick it's so we knew that"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "that thicket it's so thick that it's"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "it's hard to even walk through. In fact,"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "the only way to get back in through"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "there is through"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "game trails and you got to get on your"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "hands and knees. But that's where that"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "scream came from. When we went further"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "now, we didn't after the first scream,"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "we hear another one and then we hear"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "another one. So, we start walking down a"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "little bit like down on the down the"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "side of the thicket trying to figure out"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "where that's coming from. And then all"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "of a sudden we heard a loud scream and"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "it was close. It was the same one. It"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "was the same screams, but I'm talking it"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "was it was it got through that thicket"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "somehow. Whatever whatever it was got"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "through that thicket all the way up"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "close to us and it went it was really it"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "was far back. It was far back in the"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "thicket the first time but it sounded"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "like a person. It sounded like a woman"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "screaming and it it even sounded like"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "like she was screaming a word and I it"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "like it didn't sound like help but it"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "sounded like she was screaming language."}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "You know what I'm saying? like it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "just a and I there's a lot of animals in"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "the woods and I've and I've seen a lot"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "of videos too um like a lot of"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "paranormal videos where filming"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "something that it's making a sound in"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "the woods and it's screaming or whatever"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "but it's it's an animal like I hear"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "right away that's not that's a dying"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "rabbit you know what I mean that's"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "that's something getting attacked it's a"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "jack rabbit getting attacked I mean I I"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "hunt so I hunt I hunt coyote And I, you"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "know, I had all everything. So, and they"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "do sound like people. I don't blame"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "people for for not knowing that. Like,"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "only reason I know that is cuz I've done"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "it all my life. It's not like they're"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "they're not trying to trick people when"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "they do that, but it's This wasn't that"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "though. This wasn't that. I don't I"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "don't know"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "what it was, but it wasn't an animal. It"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "wasn't something dying."}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "And for it to be able to get through"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "that thicket so fast,"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "I can't even think of anything that"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "could do it. Even if it was, let alone"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "something hurt. I can't think of"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "something that could do it that quick."}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "Anyway, freaked us out. Um, so we"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "started we started scooting. We we we"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "started trying to get away,"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "but we we you know, we kind of caught"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "ourselves where right where we caught"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "oursel was on top of this hill. was"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "where we stopped. Like, hey, we can't"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "start panicking here. But we were on top"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "of this hill, man. And uh the the hill"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "shouldn't have been there. I don't even"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "I don't really know how to explain it,"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "but where we were standing at really"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "shouldn't have been how the way it was."}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "That's what really screwed us up. I'm"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "standing on top of the hill and and the"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "hill goes right down to the creek. No,"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "we know the creek's down there and the"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "creek was in the right spot, but that"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "hill I never f because it's very flat up"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "there. The up by Edinburgh up in Eerie"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "up there where the Great Lakes are, it's"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "very, very flat. It's like the ocean."}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "Like if you come down my way down like I"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "live near Pittsburgh, it's really hilly."}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "There's hills everywhere, you know? And"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "then further west in PA's the"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "Appalachians. I mean, this is the"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "Appalachian here, too. But up there is"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "all flat, flat, flat. That's what I I"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "looked at Brandon. And I said, \"Brandon,"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "man,\" I was like, \"What? I don't know"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "where we're at. I really don't know"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "where we're at.\" And he's like, \"What do"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "you mean?\" Cuz like I told you, I I was"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "bring I brought him down there. Like I"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "He He came down to hunt, but I brought"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "him like it's not He's following me. I"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "said, \"Brandon, I I do not know. I don't"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "know where we're at.\" I said, \"I I"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "really don't.\" I said, \"I don't know"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "which way to go from this point.\" That's"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "when we we started trying to get a plan"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "together and we started talking about"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "the lights. But but that's when I really"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "started noticing like how where we were"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "at anywhere in there. We I started"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "really thinking about it like we should"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "have definitely been able to see these"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "lights. As far as we walked, we should"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "have definitely been on a road somewhere"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "because the like as far as we walked was"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "far enough to get on any of those roads."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "We heard we know we heard that scream"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "and that scream was in the thicket that"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "on the other side of that should have"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "been a big farm field with a farm and"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "you could see the lights. So you could"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "see lights anywhere that you would have"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "went in these place you could you should"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "be able to see lights. I said I don't"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "know where to go man. I and the only"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "thing that I could think of was to"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "follow the creek back up because I knew"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "that at least that went up to an area"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "where where we should be able to see"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "something see some kind of lights."}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "That's what we did. We ended up going"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "down down by the bottom of that creek 10"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "15 minutes later at that point and we"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "heard another scream. This scream wasn't"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "in thicket though anymore and it was"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "further up to where I think would have"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "been a field. So I kind of think that"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "was up by this field at that point and"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "that was the last time we heard it and"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "it was further away from us. So whatever"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "it was went from inside the thicket went"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "through that thicket at us did what they"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "did screamed at us right in like closer"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "to us. If it was a if it was a person or"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "whatever where it was at the last time I"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "heard it would have been able to see us"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "over there like it we would have been"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "like eyesight of it. So I kind of think"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "whatever it was was definitely following"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "us. It got closer the whole time until"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "then. So that was that was a really"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "eerie feeling. But anyway, so we get"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "back up where we're following the creek"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "and the creek ends where where it should"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "have and that and where that creek is. I"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "told you like whenever you walk in"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "there's quad trails. There's there's and"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "especially where that creek is because"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "where the creek is, that's where the"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "quad trail goes over the creek and it"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "goes, you know, up off off one way and"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "then the other side goes on the other"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "side of the creek goes off the other way"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "and then that splits. So there's be one,"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "two, three, four. I mean really there"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "would be five different trails really"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "meeting up right where that should have"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "been. And I could not find any quad"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "trails there, man. in the night. And"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "that's that was crazy to me because they"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "should have been all through right where"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "we were at in that little valley. Also,"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "right where that would have been should"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "have been 50 yards away should have been"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "the big treeand again. The big treehouse"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "that would have been walking back"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "towards it, which is kind of my plan."}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "We're walking back all that way. Still"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "no lights, nothing. Couldn't find that"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "tree stand. Couldn't find mine. On top"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "of all that, I put they're called"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "allies. get like owl eyes and you put"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "them in the tree and they're real like"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "if you shine a flashlight on you can see"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "them real bright. They're in the tree so"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "you could you know you mark your spot in"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "the woods like that. I had those in the"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "woods too. I had those kind of all"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "through the woods going to different"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "spots and I couldn't find any of those"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "because I was looking for those the"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "whole time too. I because I'm figuring"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "if I can find any allies I can get out."}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "I mean it's going to get me out."}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "Couldn't find not one. Couldn't find any"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "of them. We keep walking and walking. We"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "end up coming back up on the around on"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "this hillside and we just start talking."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "I'm talking to him like Brandon, man, I"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "don't know what the next move is here. I"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "like what you got any suggestions? I"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "don't know what to do here. I really"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "don't. I'm thinking honestly, man, like"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "we might end up having to stay back here"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "in the middle like I'm and I'm thinking"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "how absurd it is because it's in the"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "middle of three different roads. Like"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "it's not that big of a part of land. But"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "I'm thinking like what am I going to do?"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "I can't get out of the woods right now."}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "So, we might we might literally have to"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "stay in these woods. So, that's what I'm"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "thinking. I'm trying to figure out"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "what's going on. And Brandon's like,"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "he's like, \"Hey, Ben, Ben Ben.\" He's"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "pulling my shirt. He's like, \"Look where"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "we're at. We We were ended up standing."}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "We were standing right under the same"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "pine tree that we started from. I looked"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "I put my put my flash in the looked and"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "flashed it over to where my uh tree"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "would have been and there's my stand"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "right there. I looked up to I went over"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "to my stand and flashed and there's the"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "big tree stand right there. Everything's"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "right there. I I shined over here. I saw"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "my allies coming right over to my spot."}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "We were It was 35 yards away from us"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "whenever he seen that. We were standing"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "up under that tree. My My tree stand was"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "35 yards away. The other tree, the"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "treehouse was,"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "you know, like 80 yards away from where"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "we were at was 50 yards away from my"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "spot. We look over and there's lights"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "and you could see all the lights again."}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "I mean, you could see the his you could"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "see my uncle's lights real easy. Could"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "see you actually could see the the"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "lights that somebody had on in their"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "kitchen. They're like eating dinner or"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "whatever. That's neighbor. So, you could"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "actually even see that from where we"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "were standing. So, we could see all"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "these lights again. And uh and we walked"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "right out from that point. We we we"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "walked right out to his uh to the back"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "of his yard and got out. And the only"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "thing I can think of, man, is is it was"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "some kind of time slip, something like"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "that, where maybe like that before that"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "the before all those houses were there"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "or before they had lights or or a long"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "time ago because the guy that we saw was"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "in the uh like I said, he was dressed"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "like in the maybe like late 1600s, early"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "1700s. It would and it kind of all made"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "sense with all the stuff that would have"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "happened up there. I I I think that"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "happened. I think 100% something like"}, {"end": "00:32:18", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "that actually happened and that's what"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "that story really was about. The ghost"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "that I saw like you know whenever it was"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "on the show. So they put all this on"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "they made an episode of uh of all this"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "on these woods are haunted and I"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "understand they got to do they got to"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "make it entertaining like as as quick as"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "they can and they kind of made it all"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "about that the ghost but the thing is it"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "wasn't all about that like the ghost"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "they may try to make the ghost look"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "scary and all that but in my opinion"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "it's more eerie whenever you put all"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "that together and you and you see that"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "it all kind of does go together you know"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "if you think about it if if that's what"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "happened Ben's account is also very"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "similar to what Bonnie experienced in"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "this next encounter. In 2006, a"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "10-year-old girl named Bonnie lived with"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "her family in Spennsylvania, Virginia, a"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "very rural and heavily forested area."}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "Her family owned about 30 acres, and"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "like a lot of kids who grew up in the"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "countryside, Bonnie and her friends had"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "a ton of freedom. They would leave their"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "houses in the morning, and the parents"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "would basically just say, \"Be back"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "before dark.\" And that was about it."}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "There really wasn't any need for"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "checking in. They didn't have cell"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "phones either, so you know, the kids"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "would just be outside exploring from"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "sunrise to sunset. One summer day,"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "Bonnie and her best friend were"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "following some deer trails that went on"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "through the woods when they stumbled"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "upon a really cool creek. It wasn't very"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "deep, but it was clear and clean. And"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "so, the girls made the decision to go"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "and swim in it. It was hot and it was"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "like the perfect activity for the"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "afternoon. And you know, they're in"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "there, they're splashing around, they're"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "having fun, and before they left, they"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "made a plan to come back the very next"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "day with packed lunches so that way they"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "can be there all day. So the following"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "day, 1:00 in the afternoon comes and"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "Bonnie and her friend set off and they"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "had their backpacks filled with food and"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "they were really excited to spend all"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "day out there. As they made their way"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "through to the creek, something seemed"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "off that wasn't off the day before. and"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "particularly the path they were taking"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "didn't look as familiar today. The girls"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "thought they were following the same"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "trail as yesterday, but they quickly"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "realized they must have made a wrong"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "turn somewhere because now they're lost."}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "And instead of finding the creek, they"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "emerged into this clearing with enormous"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "thick green ferns. And now they're"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "really confused. But since they couldn't"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "find the creek, they're like, \"You know"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "what? This place is as good as any.\" It"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "wasn't where they wanted to be, but it"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "was still a nice spot. So, they stopped"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "to eat and they had their lunch. And"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "after they finished eating, you know,"}, {"end": "00:34:54", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "they packed up their trash and one of"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "them suggested that they try again to"}, {"end": "00:34:59", "start": "00:34:54", "text": "find the creek. So, they walked around"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "and Bonnie noticed that her friend"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "seemed really on edge during this whole"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "time. And, you know, she kept looking"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "around and, you know, jumping at every"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "little sound. And it only got worse as"}, {"end": "00:35:11", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "time passed. And as they continued"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "walking around, things around them seem"}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:11", "text": "to get darker. And you know how in"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "summertime it doesn't get dark till way"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "late, you know, like 910 p.m. Well, this"}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "is like the afternoon, you know, like 2"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "or 3 p.m. So, there's no reason why it"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:22", "text": "should be getting this dark. And after"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "about an hour of searching after lunch,"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "they still hadn't found the creek. This"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "didn't make any sense. But they did come"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "across something else very strange."}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "Right there in the middle of the woods"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "were these bathroom fixtures. A sink, a"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "toilet, and a bathtub, all arranged like"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "how they would be in a bathroom. But"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "there were no walls, just these random"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "fixtures sitting out in the open covered"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "in ivy. Now, they thought it was really"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "weird and kind of funny. So, you know,"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "they took a moment to take it all in"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "before moving on. And this wasn't"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "frightening, right? Because people in"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "rural areas use the woods to dump all"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "sorts of old trash and appliances all"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "the time. So maybe it was something like"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "that. But after poking around a little"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "bit, they were both tired and decided to"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "head back home. So they tried looking"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "for either the creek or another familiar"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "landmark. But after about an hour, they"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "still hadn't found anything they"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "recognized. And that's when they"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "realized they were completely lost. Now"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "Bonnie, having learned a little bit of"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "navigation, suggested that they should"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "follow the sun west. And she figured if"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "they head west, well, they'd eventually"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "hit a road or something that would lead"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "them back to civilization. But her"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "friend disagreed. She's like, you know,"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "heading west would take us further away"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "from home. So, you know, they argued for"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "a little while and they grew more"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "frustrated with each other until they're"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "like, you know what? We're just going to"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "split up. Bonnie would go west and her"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "friend would go her own way and they"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "were going to see who made it home"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "first. In hindsight, as you guys know,"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "this was a terrible decision. But come"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "on, these were 10-year-olds who didn't"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "know any better. They were both"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "convinced that they were right. 10"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "minutes later, after Bonnie split up,"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "she heard something behind her. It was"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "like footsteps or someone or something"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "was walking along. She initially thought"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "it was her friend who had changed her"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "mind and now decided to follow her. So,"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "she turns around, but when she looked,"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "there was nobody there. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "she's standing there for a moment, very"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "confused, and she's listening. The"}, {"end": "00:37:24", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "footsteps resumed now. Whatever it was"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "was matching her pace exactly. This went"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:24", "text": "on for a significant amount of time, but"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "she couldn't see whatever it was. She"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "could only hear it. And the longer this"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "went on, the more terrified she became."}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "Now, she tried walking faster, but the"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "footsteps would speed up, too. And you"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "know, she would try stopping suddenly,"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "hoping to catch a glimpse of whatever"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "was following her, but it would stop at"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "the exact same moments she did. And"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "after some time, she realized she was"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "going in a circle because she now found"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "herself back at those bizarre bathroom"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "fixtures that she and her friend had"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "found earlier. You know, being only 10,"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "she had no idea what to do. So, she sat"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "down on a log and started crying. She's"}, {"end": "00:38:06", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "desperate. She's scared and it was"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "starting to get dark because now we're"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "getting into the later part of the"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "evening. The sun was setting and she"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "knew she needed to find her way out now"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "or she'd be stuck. Now, as she sits"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "there and she's crying, she hears the"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "footsteps again. But for the first time"}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "now, they're actually moving and she"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "isn't. Whatever has been following her"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:24", "text": "all afternoon is now approaching her"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "directly. And terrifyingly, the"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "footsteps begin to accelerate. Whatever"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "it is is now running full tilt, crashing"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "through the underbrush. She doesn't"}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "stick around to see what it was. She"}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "just turns and she takes off in the"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "opposite direction. And she has no idea"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:42", "text": "where she's even going. She just knows"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "that she needs to get away from whatever"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "is happening, right? With all the weird"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "bathroom stuff and the the footsteps"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "and, you know, she's kind of stumbling"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "and falling through the woods bit by"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "bit. And the sounds of course are"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "getting quieter. And now she can hear"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "more of her own breathing and the sound"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "of her own heart pounding away. And the"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "further away she gets, she starts to"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "hear something else. She hears this"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "sound. These It's really strange. She"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "hears these big church bells, but not"}, {"end": "00:39:19", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "off in the distance like you'd expect."}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "They sound really close and really loud,"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:19", "text": "like there's a church just 300 yd away"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "in that direction. and she can't tell if"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "her mind is playing tricks on her or"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "what the heck is going on. But for a"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "moment, it gives her hope that she might"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "be reaching civilization. So, she pushes"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "and runs harder. And now, she's only a"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "few steps further when the bells sound"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "again. And now, this time, Bonnie is"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "able to pinpoint their direction. She's"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "only a few steps ahead from the last"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "time the bells went off. And she's ready"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "to reorient her trajectory when she"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "realizes that she can't. It seems"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "impossible, but the bells seem to be"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "coming from everywhere. Well, somewhere"}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "above her. Now, she takes a second to"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "glance up in the sky, which is a dark"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "pink now from the sunset. And between"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "the openings in the canopy above her,"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "she sees something that she can't"}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "explain. It's the darkest cloud she has"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "ever seen in her life. It's almost hard"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "to describe because it's like this patch"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "of night hanging there in the sky with"}, {"end": "00:40:25", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "dark gray edges swirling around the"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "outside. Now, this is beyond normal"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "because she's so transfixed by it. She"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "starts running again, but keeps her eyes"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "on it. As she's running and looking at"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "this thing, she almost starts to feel"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "the energy drain out of her. She feels"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "sick, almost like looking too long"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "through a set of binoculars. Well,"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "eventually she has to look back at where"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "she's going. And so she's glancing"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "between the ground in front of her and"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "this bizarre cloud. And that's when she"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "hears the church bells again. And"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "they're louder than ever, almost"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "deafening. And she realizes that the"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "sound of the bells is literally coming"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "from the cloud, which at this point"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "seems less like a cloud and more like"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "some sort of hole ripped in the sky."}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "Bonnie herself said the fear that"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "overcame her was unmatched even now as"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "an adult. You know, she takes off"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "running harder than ever. The last bits"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "of light are draining from her"}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "surroundings. She can't see where she's"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "going. And suddenly, she collides with"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "something hard. Boom. And falls to the"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "ground. You know, she's a little"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "disoriented. And she reaches out to"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "touch what she's run into. And it's a"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "fence post. A wire fence stretches out"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "in both directions as far as she can see"}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "in the gathering darkness. And she's"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "thinking, I have to follow this fence."}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "So, she follows it, figuring it has to"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "lead somewhere. She walks, she stumbles,"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "she trips along. You know, she's in"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "complete panic, and she keeps looking"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:49", "text": "over her shoulder to see if whatever has"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "been chasing her is still there. But, of"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "course, she can't see anything in the"}, {"end": "00:42:00", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "dark. After following the fence for"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "roughly what probably was close to a"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:42:00", "text": "mile, she now sees lights in the"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "distance and she could tell that it's a"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "farmhouse. She realizes that she has to"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "get there. It takes her a while, but she"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "runs up to the door and she's knocking"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "frantically and an old man answers. And"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "Bonnie, who is in complete hysterics and"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "tears, tells the man that she's lost."}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "She needs help getting home. You know,"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "the farmer is very kind and he sees that"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "she is very not only visibly distressed,"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "but she has bruises. She has cuts. She's"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "very shaken. And she just flat out tells"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "him everything she just went through. So"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "he offers to drive her home. And as she"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "climbs into his truck and they set off,"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "she can see the clock in his truck and"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "she realizes that she had been lost in"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "the woods for hours. And when she got"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "home, she was shocked to discover that"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "no one had been worried about her. Her"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "parents hadn't even realized she was"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "missing. They just figured she was"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "spending more time in the woods than"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "usual. I mean, after all, it turned out"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "that her friend, the one she had split"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "with in the woods, had found her way out"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "about 30 or so minutes after they"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "separated and gone straight home."}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "Bonnie's experience out in the woods"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "straight up sounds like it came from an"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "X Files episode. But like some of the"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "other stories I've told you guys, she's"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "not alone. In fact, there are hikers who"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "have reported very similar things happen"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "to them up in places like Mount Chasta"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "and other national forests. Regardless"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "of the truth behind her experience, it"}, {"end": "00:43:28", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "has changed her forever for that day."}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "And she's very fearful about where she"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:28", "text": "goes in the woods. And unfortunately,"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "what happened? Why did it happen? It all"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "remains a mystery. In the summer of"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "2015, a woman named Sandre was lying in"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "bed at her husband's family cabin in"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "northern Idaho. It was about 2:00 in the"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "morning, and she just couldn't sleep."}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "Her husband was fast asleep next to her"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "and their 12-year-old daughter was"}, {"end": "00:43:55", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "sleeping in the next room. She had grown"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "up in the rural woods of the Midwest, so"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:55", "text": "she's very comfortable in nature and"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "very familiar with all the noises. As an"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "adult, she loved coming to this cabin in"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "Idaho with her family. For her, it was"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "kind of like returning to her roots. I"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "mean, they had already been coming out"}, {"end": "00:44:12", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "there for 20 years just to get a little"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "peace and quiet. Now, the cabin itself"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "wasn't all that isolated. It was"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "actually part of a small community of"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "other cabins and sat right at the edge"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "of a large field that was surrounded by"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "wilderness. There was a 4-ft barbed wire"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "fence that would separate their property"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "from the field. And it ran roughly about"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "20 or so feet from their porch. And in"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "one corner of their property, right"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "where the fence made a turn was this old"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "trash heap that had just been there"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "forever with an abandoned camper, a wood"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "pile. There was some metal drums, you"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "know, old barbed wire, broken glass,"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "tires, just all kinds of junk, right? It"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "was just too expensive to remove. So, it"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "was just left there over time. Well, on"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "this night, she was just lying there"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "trying to fall asleep. You know, her"}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "mind was just reeling from the events of"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "the day. She decided that she was just"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "going to get up and read. You know,"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "maybe have a glass of wine to try to"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "relax. And so, she got out of bed. She"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "grabbed her Kindle, went out to the"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "living room, she settled into a chair,"}, {"end": "00:45:14", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "and started reading. And she hears this"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "sound coming from outside, but it was"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:14", "text": "coming from the field. And you know, she"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "tilted her head and she's listening, and"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "it kind of sounds like a coyote, which"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "wasn't that all that unusual, but"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "there's something particularly off about"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "this noise. It wasn't a normal coyote"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "call. It actually sounded more like a"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "coyote in distress. Well, a few seconds"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "later, she got curious and she set her"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "Kindle down and she walked over to the"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "window, but she couldn't see much. She"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "could see that it was a new moon that"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "night, which means that there was"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "basically no natural light. But even"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "though she couldn't see anything, she"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "could hear the sound more clearly now."}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "She can make out that it's definitely a"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "coyote and it's definitely in distress."}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "And the sound is definitely coming from"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "the direction of that trash heap, which"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "is in the corner of their property,"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "right where the fence turns. And the"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "more she listens, the more she realizes"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "this coyote isn't just in distress, it's"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "being attacked. It's fighting for its"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "life. Immediately, she's thinking, \"Oh"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "my gosh, this poor coyote is like stuck"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "in a trap or something.\" And that means"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "if somebody set a trap this close to"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "their cabin, her family's own dogs could"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "get hurt. So she goes, she grabs a"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "flashlight. She gets ready to step out"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "onto the porch and immediately remembers"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "that the only shoes she has are her"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "flip-flops. So, if she has to go back to"}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "the junk pile in those, well, there's no"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "way she's not cutting her foot wide open"}, {"end": "00:46:39", "start": "00:46:35", "text": "because nobody wants stitches on the"}, {"end": "00:46:41", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "bottom of their foot. She slips on her"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:39", "text": "flip-flops and steps out onto the porch."}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "And there's still a chance that she"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "might be able to see something. Long"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "story short, she doesn't see anything."}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "But the moment she steps outside,"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "there's something strange. All the other"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "sounds that she's used to hearing are"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "gone. And the forest is deathly quiet."}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "And now this is really weird, right? She"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "starts to get the heeie-jeebies because"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "the only thing she could hear now is the"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "coyote fighting for its life. And she"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "realizes this that she can't even hear"}, {"end": "00:47:14", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "whatever is attacking this thing. All"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "she can do is just listen to this"}, {"end": "00:47:19", "start": "00:47:14", "text": "pitiful coyote as it's whimpering and"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "crying out there. It's clearly dying."}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:19", "text": "She finds herself just frozen."}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "listening to this horrible scene playing"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "out and she's not really sure what to"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "do. You know, she thinks about going"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "back inside, but something is keeping"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "her rooted there to the spot. Instead of"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "feeling, you know, overwhelming fear or"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "anything like that, the sound is just"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "making her so sad and she she has tears"}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "welling up in her eyes and she can't"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "take it. And then after another moment"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "or so, the coyote's cries just suddenly"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "cease. It's dead. And that's the first"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "thing that came to her mind, that"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "whatever it is finally died. But from"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "that second on, all the normal forced"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "sounds immediately resume. And she's"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "thinking that this is really weird. I'm"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "going to go back inside where it's safe."}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "As she's thinking that, she hears"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "something underneath all this that just"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "really spooks her. It's this slow"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "rhythmic sound and it's really close by."}, {"end": "00:48:17", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "And then she starts to make out that"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "it's footsteps, but they're they're on"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:17", "text": "the other side of the fence. Now, she"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "knows the difference between four-legged"}, {"end": "00:48:25", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "footsteps and two, right? I mean, cuz"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "she's grown up in the woods like a lot"}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:25", "text": "of you guys have. They're very easy to"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "discern, especially at night when things"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "are quieter. Something or someone is"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "walking on two legs along the fence"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "line, starting from the trash heap where"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "the coyote has just been slaughtered."}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "She immediately raises her flashlight in"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "reaction and she's looking in the"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "direction, but for whatever reason, she"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "can't see anything. Whatever is making"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "those steps is staying just out of"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "sight. Maybe it's hidden by the tall"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "grass in the field, which at the time"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "was about 4 ft at that time of year. Or"}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "maybe it was invisible. She doesn't"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "know. But even though her flashlight"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "doesn't reveal anything, she can still"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "hear it moving step by step, slowly"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "moving along the fence line. And now"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "whatever it is isn't trying to be"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "stealthy either. It's just walking like"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "it doesn't care that she might hear it."}, {"end": "00:49:22", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "And keep in mind, this entire time she's"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "actively scanning it where she can hear"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:22", "text": "the sound and it's not making any sense."}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "where the sound is coming from. Where"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "there should be a discernable physical"}, {"end": "00:49:32", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "source, there is none. As this is"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "playing out in real time, she's trying"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:32", "text": "to come up with all of these rational"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "explanations. It has to be a person,"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "right? This just doesn't make any sense."}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "Someone else heard the coyote and came"}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "to investigate. But why can't she see"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "anything? It's not just going down the"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "fence line. It's actually coming closer"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:47", "text": "to where she is. She's just getting more"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "and more spooked by the second. And so"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "she turns off her flashlight. She turns,"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "she runs back into the cabin, she slams"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "the door, she locks it, and she runs all"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "the way to the bedroom. And she starts"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "to violently shake her husband awake and"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "she tells him everything that happened,"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "probably in a flurry of broken"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "sentences. Her husband's like, \"Don't"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "don't bother me. I'm tired.\" You know,"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "he he just goes back out. Realizing"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "she's entirely on her own, she grabs a"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "hatchet from the tool closet, sits up"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "the rest of the night, and she's"}, {"end": "00:50:25", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "listening. She's listening."}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "Nothing happens. Weird. Well, the"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:25", "text": "following morning, she insisted they go"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "check the area by the trash heap. Her"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "husband doesn't believe anything that"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "she's tried to sell him. Her husband, of"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "course, was like, \"See, honey, it was"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "just in your head. You dreamt it. Don't"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "worry about it. You know, sometimes"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "being out here at night, things can play"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "tricks on you.\" And they walk away and"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "she starts thinking that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "maybe maybe this was just all in my"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "head. Maybe I'm just really need to go"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "to sleep at night. I don't know. Well,"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "interestingly, later that day, their"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "12-year-old daughter pulled Sandre"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "aside, and she told her that she too had"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "heard the coyote, and she was so"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "terrified, she couldn't even get out of"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "bed to tell her mom. She just hid under"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "the covers. In fact, it had scared her"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "so badly that she refused to go down to"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "the lake at the bottom of the property."}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "Even later on, another visit to the"}, {"end": "00:51:17", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "cabin when Sandre tried to take the"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "family to the lake, which was just a"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:17", "text": "couple minutes in broad daylight, her"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "daughter had a complete meltdown,"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "shaking and crying and just absolutely"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "refused to go anywhere near that area of"}, {"end": "00:51:30", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "the woods. Unfortunately, what was"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "really going on out there that night in"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:30", "text": "the woods is anyone's guess. It remains"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "a mystery. Years ago, a police officer"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "had an experience that was equally"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "terrifying in the woods and revealed"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "what could have been a conspiracy to"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "cover it up."}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:46", "text": ">> Well, the very first time I went down"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "there, um, he wanted me he wanted to"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "take me to Joe Bald. So, we go out, just"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "stepping out of the vehicle, it was like"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "stepping out into a vacuum. It was it"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "was dead quiet. There was zero, there"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "was no crickets, there was no frogs,"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "there was nothing. and we seen deer and"}, {"end": "00:52:08", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "stuff like that on the way in, but soon"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "as we got there, it was just like dead."}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:08", "text": "We saw eye shine that night, we pretty"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "we're pretty sure that there was"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "something watching us other than just"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "the night the eyes shine that we saw."}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "And the first when we first pulled in"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "there, and this is a campsite that was a"}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "primitive campsite that's completely"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "shut down. There's houses around there,"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "but nothing major. But there is one of"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "these white panel band. I I know this"}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "sounds like a conspiracy thing, but I"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "swear this is 100% true. There was a"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "white panel van in there that had"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "24-hour service written on the side."}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "Don't ask me what kind of 24-hour"}, {"end": "00:52:43", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "service cuz it didn't say, it just said"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "24-hour service. And it stayed there the"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "entire time we were there. And if we"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "would would go over to one side, it"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "would move and kind of follow, not get"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "too close to us, but move just close"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "enough to where it could could kind of"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "keep us inside. And we went straight out"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "there. We didn't have time to get any"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "casting material, no nothing. We just"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "wanted to get out there. So it's me, DA,"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "and his son Noah. We're walking around"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "and of course, you know, me being the"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "tracking guy, that was the first thing I"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "wanted to do is I wanted to get my get a"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "flashlight on the ground, start looking"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "for tracks and things like that. The"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "lake was down, so there was river rocks"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "everywhere. Everywhere you looked, there"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "was nothing but like like rocks like"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "this, just everywhere. I'm like, dang,"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "you can find nothing around here. Well,"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "just as I said said that in my mind, DA"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "said, \"Look.\" And I turn around and look"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "and there's a spot of mud which in"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "tracking was what we call a track trap."}, {"end": "00:53:35", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "And it was about maybe"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "7 feet long by 3 and 1/2 4t wide. I"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:35", "text": "said, \"Yep, I see it. That's where I'm"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "headed.\" So we walked down there and"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "this this is the weirdest substrate I've"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "ever stepped on cuz you could step on it"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "in one spot and you would sink like a"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "foot and then take your next foot and"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "put it down on right right in front of"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "your other foot and would be fine. I"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "turn around, look, and DA is looking on"}, {"end": "00:53:59", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "the other side of me and Noah's kind of"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "up above us and I look and I shine my"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:53:59", "text": "flashlight and I said, \"No way.\" And I"}, {"end": "00:54:06", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "said, \"A\" and he said, \"What?\" I said,"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "\"Look at that.\" He's like, \"Holy crap,"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:06", "text": "that's a footprint.\" You know, I didn't"}, {"end": "00:54:11", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "say, \"Look at this footprint.\" You I"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "just left it left it open. I'm not going"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:11", "text": "to get my hands. I'm not kidding. It was"}, {"end": "00:54:17", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "like every bit that long and probably"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "about that wide. Beautiful. Perfect. But"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:17", "text": "we didn't have anything to cast it. So"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "DA's like, \"All right, I'm going to come"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "back to the hotel. pick. We're going to"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "pick you up in the morning. First thing"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "in the morning, we're going to go back"}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "to Walmart. We're going to get some"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "plaster. We're going to get back over"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "here and we're going to cast this thing."}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "Uh, sounds good. So, we get back over"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "there that morning at like 8:00. Kid you"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "not, there was a tire track"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "driven through the middle of that of"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "that track. We found not and this was"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "not like it was a bunch like anybody"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "playing through there. And this was like"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "literally maybe 150 feet off of the"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "normal trail that people would drive"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "would drive through. This is down where"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "if the lakes up, this would have been"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "underwater. So, it's not like a place"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "that people would normally drive, but"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "you can see the tires go went up, it"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "went through the track. You see where"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "the tra uh tire pivoted and it backed"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "out. So, it was just like a a point like"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "this. So, it just drove through drove"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "through that track and backed out and"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "that's it. Speaking of conspiracy, one"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "of the strangest alleged coverups is the"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "Moss Mountain Massacre."}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:21", "text": ">> It's one of those little historical"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "events that's been buried in the history"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "book so deep that nobody even pays"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "attention to it. To begin with, there"}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "was a man named Thomas Nuttle. Now,"}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "Thomas Nuttle was born and raised in"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "England, and he had gone through an"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "apprentice program to be a printer, but"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "in his heart of hearts, he knew that was"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "not what he wanted to be. So right"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "around 1808,"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "I think maybe 1806, maybe 1809,"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "somewhere in that period, he got on a"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "boat ship and he came across the ocean"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "and he landed in Philadelphia. Right"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "away he met a man named Benjamin Smith"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "Barton who was at the time one of the"}, {"end": "00:56:07", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "very first uh ecologists,"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "zoologologists. uh he was the professor"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:07", "text": "of natural history at University of"}, {"end": "00:56:14", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "Pennsylvania."}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "Very very wellrespected and well-known"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "man in in the in this very young"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "country. Ben encouraged Thomas Nuttle in"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "what was clearly his great love, which"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "was going out and discovering new plant"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "life and new species. And he sent him"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "out on an expedition in 1810."}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "and he came back with all kinds of new"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "species and cataloged them. And if you"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "look through the history or through the"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "the animals of science, you're going to"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "find a lot of creatures that have nu t a"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "l i natali in their in their Latin name,"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "which is the latinization of nuttle. In"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "fact, the nuttle woodpecker is named"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "after Thomas Nuttle. He did a lot. This"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "is a man who crossed Kentucky, west,"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "well, it would have been Virginia at the"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "time, Kentucky, Virginia, and the"}, {"end": "00:57:13", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "Carolas and part of Tennessee by"}, {"end": "00:57:16", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "himself, collecting nothing but plant"}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:13", "text": "specimens and animals. By the time he"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:16", "text": "was sent out on this other expedition,"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "we're getting around 1811,"}, {"end": "00:57:28", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "he goes out and he comes back. He"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "brought lots and lots of um species"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:28", "text": "back. He realizes uh my country that I"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "come from and this country that I'm in,"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "they're not getting along"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "and I could hang out here and"}, {"end": "00:57:45", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "accidentally get conscripted by the"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "British or I could go back to England"}, {"end": "00:57:49", "start": "00:57:45", "text": "and hang out there until this blows"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "over. Of course, you know, the War of"}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:49", "text": "1812 came and went. It was 1815 before"}, {"end": "00:57:59", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "he got back across the the ocean. And"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "right away, uh, Barton Smith says, \"I"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:59", "text": "need you to go out on another"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "expedition, and this time I want you to"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "go down the Ohio River. When you get to"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "the Mississippi, I want you to go down"}, {"end": "00:58:09", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "the Mississippi River. When you get down"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "there, I want you to go up the Arkansas"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:09", "text": "River. Now, you're going to be out there"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "for five or 6 years. So, I want you to"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "take a good, healthy crew of men. I want"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "you to take horses. You're going to be"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "on flat boats for the most part. Take"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "horses. Take plenty of supplies. collect"}, {"end": "00:58:28", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "all of the information, all of the the"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "specimens you can. So, off he goes. Big"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:28", "text": "crew of men on this big expedition. Now,"}, {"end": "00:58:35", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "he's headed down the Ohio River, which"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "is almost"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:35", "text": "very, very heavily, we'll put it that"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "way, very heavily populated by the"}, {"end": "00:58:46", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "French, by French settlers in back in"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "the day and their descendants. At this"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:46", "text": "point, England had just kind of gotten"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "over the Napoleonic Wars. So that he"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "wasn't real fond of the French and of"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "course we just gotten beat by the"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "British in the War of 1812. So his men"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "weren't really fond of him. So it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "the best situation. And that may have"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "led to a lot to the ultimate"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "discrediting of what I'm about to tell"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "you. So, they're headed down the Ohio"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "River and all Nettle does is complain"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "about these French people and how much"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "he hates them. And meanwhile, not even"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "realizing that half the men in his crew"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "are of French descent. Then they get"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "going down the Mississippi and he's"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "still complaining and lo and behold,"}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "half of his crew comes down with"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "malaria. They've all got malaria. So,"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "they're all throwing up, they're all"}, {"end": "00:59:35", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "running high fevers, they're all"}, {"end": "00:59:38", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "hallucinating, they're all not having a"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:35", "text": "really good time at all. And in the"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:38", "text": "meantime, they're supposed to be making"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "friends with the natives, and some of"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "those natives don't want to be made"}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "friends with. By the time they get down"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "to the Arkansas River, though, they're"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "mostly over their malaria. There's they"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "they still are kind of suffering from"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "the after effects, but the worst of it"}, {"end": "00:59:58", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "is gone. They start up the Arkansas"}, {"end": "01:00:00", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "River."}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "00:59:58", "text": "They are having some pretty decent"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:00", "text": "encounters with many of the the uh"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "inhabitants of the area. They're"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "starting to kind of get things going."}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "They get to Beaver Dam Island and they"}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "decide to camp there for the night."}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "October 31st,"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "1819,"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "4 years into this expedition. So, the"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "way they did it is because they were"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "never 100% sure if the next group of"}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "people they came across would be"}, {"end": "01:00:33", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "friendly or or otherwise, they would"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "always spread out their camp. They"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:33", "text": "would, some of the men would camp in"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "close by the fire. Some would camp"}, {"end": "01:00:41", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "around the edges and that's was the case"}, {"end": "01:00:44", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "that night. Nettle happened to be one of"}, {"end": "01:00:46", "start": "01:00:41", "text": "the men camping out along the edges, but"}, {"end": "01:00:48", "start": "01:00:44", "text": "there were quite a few men in around the"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:46", "text": "campfire there. And I believe there were"}, {"end": "01:00:51", "start": "01:00:48", "text": "a couple fires. I don't think it was"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "just one fire cuz I believe this was a"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:51", "text": "pretty goodiz expedition. And they all"}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "fall asleep. And in the middle of the"}, {"end": "01:01:02", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "night, Nuttle is awakened by the sound"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "of screaming and terror and fighting."}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:02", "text": "and he opens his eyes and it blurry and"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "and of course the fires have died down"}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "to very low but just enough to cast"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "great shadows. He can see his men being"}, {"end": "01:01:20", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "attacked by these really tall beings and"}, {"end": "01:01:22", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "I'm not talking like hey this big tall"}, {"end": "01:01:25", "start": "01:01:20", "text": "guy picked on this little short guy."}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:22", "text": "We're talking unnaturally tall beings"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:25", "text": "and they're incredibly strong because"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "they're literally ripping his men limb"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:31", "text": "from limb and he can hear them screaming"}, {"end": "01:01:38", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "and crying and begging for mercy and"}, {"end": "01:01:40", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "they're, you know, a man gets up and"}, {"end": "01:01:43", "start": "01:01:38", "text": "runs and this thing chases him and it"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:40", "text": "grabs him and it twists his head off and"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:43", "text": "horrible, horrible. I'm sorry, I should"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "have warned you. And it's in the the"}, {"end": "01:01:54", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "shadows of these shadows created by the"}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "the dying embers in the fire. And he can"}, {"end": "01:02:00", "start": "01:01:54", "text": "hear the men crying. And he's seeing"}, {"end": "01:02:02", "start": "01:01:57", "text": "blood and and body parts and and it's"}, {"end": "01:02:04", "start": "01:02:00", "text": "just all so overwhelming that he passes"}, {"end": "01:02:06", "start": "01:02:02", "text": "out. And his last thought as he's"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:04", "text": "passing out is, \"I'll never wake up"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:06", "text": "again.\" Somehow the sun came up and he"}, {"end": "01:02:14", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "opened his eyes and he was still awake."}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "kind of tucked in, hidden underneath the"}, {"end": "01:02:19", "start": "01:02:14", "text": "underbrush is probably what saved him."}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "And he crawls out into the middle of the"}, {"end": "01:02:26", "start": "01:02:19", "text": "camp and it is a blood bath. There are"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "arms and legs and hands and and fingers"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "and toes and heads and torsos and guts"}, {"end": "01:02:36", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "and just everything everywhere and cover"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "everything's just soaked in blood. And"}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:36", "text": "he sits down and he's just devastated"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "thinking he's the only survivor. And"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "then he hears a groan and he looks over"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "and he can see movement in the"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "underbrush and you know he's am I about"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "to be attacked and but it stands up and"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "it's one of his men. I'm not sure if it"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "was him and five of his men or if it was"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "five altogether counting him survived"}, {"end": "01:03:05", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "and that was it from the entire"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "expedition. They managed to complete"}, {"end": "01:03:10", "start": "01:03:05", "text": "their expedition. and they headed on up"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "the Arkansas River to Colorado, which I"}, {"end": "01:03:15", "start": "01:03:10", "text": "believe is where it ended. And he wrote"}, {"end": "01:03:17", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "his reports. He covered that night and"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:15", "text": "explained what happened. Over the"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:17", "text": "decades, over the centuries, PE, the the"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "author, the experts have said, I love"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "this experts. Well, they have come to"}, {"end": "01:03:31", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "the conclusion that they were attacked"}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "by bears. And because you guys made it"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:31", "text": "this far into the episode, I want you to"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:33", "text": "all comment below bump in the night. So"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "that way I know who made it to the end"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "and who didn't. And if you guys enjoy"}, {"end": "01:03:45", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "storytelling like this, where we deep"}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "dive into cases of the mysterious and"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:45", "text": "supernatural, what are you waiting for?"}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "Smack that like and subscribe button"}, {"end": "01:03:53", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "right now for more content just like"}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "this. As always, I love you all. Keep an"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:53", "text": "open mind, and I'll see you all in the"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "very next episode."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "Something has taken an interest in our"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "most sensitive nuclear facilities. A"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "silver entity with glowing eyes that"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "defies the laws of physics. A witness"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "paralyzed by beams of light. The ability"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "to walk through solid barriers as if"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "they don't exist. This episode will take"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "you through the terrifying case of Ken"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "Edwards and the mysterious Silverman. An"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "encounter that may have cost him his"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "life. I'm Josh Dinocchio. This is What"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Looks Beneath, and you won't want to"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "miss this one."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": ">> On the night of March 17th of 1978, a"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "39-year-old service engineer named Ken"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "Edwards was driving his van through an"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "abandoned industrial district in"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Warrington, England. It was around 11:30"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "p.m. and Ken was simply exhausted. He"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "just finished attending a union meeting"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "in Greater Manchester and he was now"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "making the final leg of his journey"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "home. At this time of the night, the"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "roads were practically empty, which Ken"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "greatly appreciated. It allowed his mind"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "to wonder while he thought through"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "everything they discussed at the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "meeting, and pretty soon he came up on"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "the sprawling grizzly atomic energy"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "complex. As Ken steered his van past the"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "property, his headlights swept across"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "something strange moving on an"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "embankment next to the facility."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "Initially, he was pretty sure that it"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "was just a man climbing down the slope."}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Maybe a worker finishing his late shift,"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "but Ken noticed that something about the"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "movement was just off. I mean, it wasn't"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "fluid or comfortable like a normal"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "person would walk. Well, Ken's curiosity"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "got the better of him, so he pulled his"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "van over to the side of the road, coming"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "to a stop about 50 ft away from the"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "figure. Ken was not the kind of person"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "who believed in the supernatural or even"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "the paranormal. I mean, all of his"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "colleagues always described him as very"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "straight laced, practical, very"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "level-headed, you know, the type. And"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "that was a good thing. In his line of"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "work as a service engineer, he dealt"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "with realworld problems that had real"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "physical"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "tangible solutions. However, what he saw"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "on this night ended up shattering his"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "understanding of reality and would"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "change the course of his life. As Ken"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "peers through his windshield, this"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "figure comes into clearer view and he"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "could see that it's around 7t tall and"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "it seems to either have silvery skin or,"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "you know, maybe it's wearing this"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "metallic-l like suit and its posture is"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "unnaturally stooped over. And he could"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "see that the top half of its body is"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "pitched forward in a very weird way,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "like it's kind of like the center of"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "gravity is just too far for it to not"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "fall over. But this thing doesn't fall"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "over. Instead, it's moving with these"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "bizarre stiff-legged movements. Like, it"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "doesn't have any real knee joints. And"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "as far as its face goes, it's black and"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "round. But beyond that, he can't see"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "much. In fact, the only features that he"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "can make out are these two glowing eyes"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "that kind of just pierce through the"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "darkness. Now, I I understand this all"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "sounds like fiction. It sounds weird,"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "but the strangest aspects of this thing"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "were its arms and hands. The arms were"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "very thin and they stuck straight out"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "from its chest rather than from the"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "shoulders. And so imagine kind of the"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "way a Tyrannosaurus Rex's arms would be"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "positioned. At the ends of these strange"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "appenages were hands, but Ken couldn't"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "see any fingers. And all this time, he's"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "frozen in place, and he's blown away by"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "what he's seeing. And at this point,"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "it's only about 30 or so feet away from"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "his van and doesn't even seem to really"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "have noticed him, at least not for long,"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "because what happens next is wild. Two"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "pencil thin beams of white light zap out"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "from this thing's eyes right in the"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "direction of Ken's van. And as soon as"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "they pass through the windshield and"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "strike him in the chest, this very"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "strange sensation comes over him. He"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "starts getting drowsy and feeling very"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "dizzy. And he would actually later on"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "describe it like somebody with two"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "enormous hands smashing down on him from"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "the top. It just leaves him completely"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "paralyzed. He can't move a muzzle except"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "for his eyes, and he certainly can't cry"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "out. Not that there's anyone around to"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "help him anyway. Well, as he's sitting"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "there immobilized in his driver's seat,"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "strange thoughts began flooding in his"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "mind. and he was never really able to"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "remember all them, but they all felt"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "like they weren't his thoughts. He felt"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "like they had come from someone else."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "But one thought in particular kept"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "repeating over and over. Is this"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "something from outer space? And what"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "does it want with me? Now, bear with me,"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "guys. I understand this is really"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "strange, but that's why you're here,"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "right? So Ken is still paralyzed and"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "he's forced to watch helplessly as the"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "silver entity moves closer. But for"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "whatever reason is it doesn't seem to"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "care about him anymore. It just keeps"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "moving along with its awkward"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "stifflegged gate toward a nearby fire"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "station. And when it reaches the"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "perimeter, he witnesses something that"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "defies every law of physics. This thing"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "somehow walks directly through a 10 foot"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "high barbed wire top security fence"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "surrounding the fire station. And it did"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "it like the fence wasn't even there. And"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "so after passing through, it climbs a"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "hill behind the fire station and"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "vanishes past the borders of the"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "property straight into the woods. As"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "soon as this thing disappears, he felt"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "this paralyzing force lift. and he can"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "move again, but he's very disoriented"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "and confused. And his first instinct was"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "to get home as fast as possible. So, he"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "starts his van, drove away, and as you"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "can imagine, his hands are violently"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "shaking. He's so disturbed by what he"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "had just witnessed and experienced."}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "Fortunately, he's only about 5 or so"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "minutes from home, but when he arrived,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "it was close to about 12:30, and he had"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "no memory of the drive home or what had"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "happened during that missing time. About"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "an hour of time had just disappeared,"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "and the next thing he knew, he was"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "pulling into his driveway, feeling like"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "he had just woken up from a nightmare."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "His wife, Barbara, was waiting for him"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "because she was very worried about how"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "late he was. And the second he walked"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "through the door, she knew something had"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "gone wrong. Instead of hugging her or"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "explaining why he was so late, he just"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "headed straight to the liquor cabinet,"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "poured himself a large bourbon, and just"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "downed it in one gulp. He then turns to"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "his wife, very pale, and he whispers,"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "\"I've just seen a silver man.\" Now,"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "needless to say, Barbara had no idea"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "what this meant, but she could tell by"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "how very visibly shaken her husband was"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "that he saw something strange. She had"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "never seen him like this before in all"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "the years they'd been married. He was"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "trembling. His eyes were wide with fear,"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "and he just kept looking at his hands"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "for some reason. And Barbara began to"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "notice that they looked different. And"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "in fact, upon closer inspection, Ken's"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "hands looked a lot redder than they"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "should have, almost like they had been"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "sunburned. And not only that, but each"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "finger had three dark marks running the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "entire length, marks that hadn't been"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "there before tonight. The skin looked"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "burned, but Ken wasn't really prone to"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "sunburns or any skin conditions, so"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "these mysterious marks would end up"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "fading over the next 3 weeks. But they"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "helped convince Barbara of the reality"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "behind Ken's story. This wasn't the only"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "physical evidence that they would"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "discover in the coming days. Ken had a"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "radio transceiver in his van that was"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "now completely fried. An examination"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "later carried out by technicians ended"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "up revealing that the circuitry had been"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "damaged by a massive power surge which"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "had burnt out the whole of the"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "transmitting diode circuit and most of"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "the capacitors. The technicians had"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "never seen damage like this, and it"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "couldn't explain what could have caused"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "such a powerful surge, but Ken knew. He"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "had seen those white beams of light"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "coming straight out of the Silverman's"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "eyes. If anything could fry electronics,"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "it would have been that. Well, after"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "telling Barbara about his encounter that"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "night, Ken made a decision that"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "surprised even himself. He felt"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "compelled to report the incident to the"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "police. The main reason was because of"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "where it took place. Whatever this thing"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "had been, it appeared near one of the"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "most sensitive nuclear facilities in"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "Britain. And Ken felt a civic duty to"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "report it. Even if it was just a person,"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "they were in the middle of the Cold War."}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "So Soviet sabotage was never out of the"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "question. Despite how late it was and"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "how tired they felt, Ken and Barbara got"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "back in their car and drove to the"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "police station at Padgate, which was"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "less than 2 miles from their home. Now,"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "at the station, he told the story to the"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "police officers, Roy Kirkpatre, and Rob"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "Thompson. Now, to his surprise, they"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "didn't dismiss his story outright. I"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "mean, of sure, they were skeptical, but"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "they also saw how very visibly shaken he"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "was. And given the intruders proximity"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "to the nuclear facility, it was better"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "to be safe than sorry. The experience"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "warranted an investigation. Well, the"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "atomic energy complex that Ken was"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "driving past that night was actually"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "quite significant to national security."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "After World War II, the Grizzly District"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "became the headquarters for Britain's"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "Department of Atomic Energy or Dayton,"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "which later evolved into the United"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority or UKA."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "The UKA was tasked with producing"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "nuclear reactors and bolstering"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "England's nuclear defense program. And"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "in 1962,"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "an Argonaut class reactor co-owned by"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "Liverpool and Manchester universities"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "went online at the site. Now, this"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "reactor was concrete shielded and used"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "highlyenriched uranium metal fuel for"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "neutron activation experiments. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "this whole district and this facility"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "were highly sensitive and surrounded by"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "tons of security. If somebody suspicious"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "was around there with the ability to"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "pass right through fences, law"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "enforcement should know. After taking"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "Ken's statement, officers Kirk Patrick"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "and Thompson decided to accompany him"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "back to the scene of his encounter. And"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "they weren't alone. A contingent of 20"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "Batten armed security guards joining"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "them formed a substantial search party."}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "What's particularly strange is that"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "these guards, who were professionally"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "trained and of course presumably"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "skeptical by nature, showed no"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "skepticism whatsoever when told of the"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "sighting. They were so concerned that"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "they refused to enter the forest where"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "this thing had disappeared. But as you"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "might imagine, the search of the area"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "yielded no evidence or even any"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "tampering with the fence. But the"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "investigators did find something strange"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "on top of the embankment where Ken had"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "first spotted the figure. An oval-shaped"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "patch of flattened grass, like something"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "had rested there, or maybe had landed"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "there. And next to this flattened area,"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "they found a dead rabbit. The animal had"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "no apparent injuries. It was just dead"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "for no obvious reason. By the time Ken"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "finally got home that night, it was"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "after 4 in the morning. You've probably"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "experienced this yourself. Even though"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "he was more exhausted than he'd ever"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "been in his life, he just couldn't get"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "to sleep. In fact, he would experience"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "intense insomnia for days afterward. His"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "mind just constantly replaying every"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "second of the encounter. Interestingly,"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "when he checked his watch the first"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "thing the next day, he noticed that it"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "had stopped at 11:45 p.m., which was"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "around the exact time that he had been"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "zapped by the Silverman. He later"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "learned that even though he took it to"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "several watch repair shops to have it"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "fixed, it never worked. The hands always"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "remained stuck at 11:45. Now, in the"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "meantime, the police continued their"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "investigation. This meant not only"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "on-site work, but further interviews"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "with Ken. The cops were just eager to"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "get this case closed and call it a day."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "They kept interviewing him, trying to"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "find a detail that that could just"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "explain it all. And at one point they"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "even went so far as to show Ken a man"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "dressed in a silver fire retardant suit"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "to see if that might explain what he had"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "seen. And he just firmly stated how"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "absurd this was because it looked"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "nothing at all like what he had"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "encountered on the evening of March"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "17th. But as far as these things go, the"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "police eventually just seemed to lose"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "interest. One officer dismissively"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "described it as just one of those odd"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "incidents that happened from time to"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "time. No matter how much he would have"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "liked to have moved on with his life, he"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "couldn't let it go. This had affected"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "him deeply. And for some reason, he felt"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "drawn back. So on March 23rd, 1978, at"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "midnight, just mere days after his"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "initial encounter, he returned to the"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "location with a UFO investigator from"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "Leeds who had reached out after hearing"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "about his experience. Now, this is where"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "it continues to get stranger and"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "stranger, and as soon as they both"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "arrive at the site, he starts to notice"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "a familiar sensation. It's that same"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "feeling he had experienced during his"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "encounter. this weird dizziness and"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "intense pressure. And now the"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "investigator noticing how uncomfortable"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "Ken is suggests that they need to"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "separate. Maybe he thinks it's just"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "related to this one particular spot. So,"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "you know, you go somewhere else while I"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "stay here. Ken thinks that is a good"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "idea. So, he walks away climbing to the"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "top of the embankment while the"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "investigator searches the road below."}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "Well, while alone at the top of the"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "embankment, Ken can't believe his eyes"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "because from the corner of his vision,"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "he spots movement and it's the same"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "silverman he just saw a few nights ago"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "and it's just walking like it had"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "before. Although now it's heading away"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "from where he's standing. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "of course, he calls out for the"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "investigator to join him, but by the"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "time he reached Ken's position, the"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "Silverman had gone. It had literally"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "vanished. It's easy to imagine that Ken"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "is making all this up, but remember the"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "radio was fried, his watch was broken,"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "and he had those weird marks on his"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "fingers. And on top of that, right after"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "his second sighting, the investigator"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "noticed that Ken genuinely seemed scared"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "and physically shaken by what he claimed"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "to have seen. As it turns out, his"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "experiences did not end there. He tried"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "to regain a normal life. But on April"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "2nd, 1978, at around 2:00 in the"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "morning, Ken and his wife Barbara were"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "driving back from Yorkshire when"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "something unexpected happened. The route"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "that they chose took them past the exact"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "same spot where Ken had his first"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "encounter. And as they approached the"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "area, he started to get this"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "overwhelming compulsion to stop the car."}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "Barbara, of course, wanted nothing to do"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "with it, but Ken won the argument,"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "pulled over and got out of the car and"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "stood there in the middle of the road at"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "the location of the sighting. She"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "watched in horror from inside the car as"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "he just stood motionless in the road."}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "And from what she could tell, he was"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "again experiencing the same sensations"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "that he had described during his"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "previous visits. His face twisted into"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "that same expression of fear and"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "paralysis. And then to Barber's terror,"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "Ken's legs buckled. He fell to his knees"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "and was barely able to stay upright."}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "When he returned to the car, he was pale"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "and shaking. And he explained that he"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "had briefly blacked out while on the"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "road. And he made a solemn pledge never"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "to travel that same way again. Well, for"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "another 10 days, nothing else happens."}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "Fast forward to April 12th. He's"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "awakened in the middle of the night by"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "this strange noise. It's like a deep"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "electrical hum pulsating through their"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "house and he's thinking that this has to"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "be a faulty appliance or something. So"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "he gets up, he investigates, but he"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "doesn't find anything. And he goes to"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "open the window to see if the sound is"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "coming from outside. And that's when the"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "humming gets dramatically louder. Ken"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "didn't know what it meant, but as it"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "turned out, he wasn't the only one to"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "have heard it. Two other people in the"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "area heard a similar hum that same"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "night, and they also reported seeing a"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "red oval-shaped UFO in the sky on that"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "same night. This UFO sighting wasn't"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "exactly an isolated incident, either."}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "You had four young people who had"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "reported seeing a cigar-shaped craft"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "over the university research reactor on"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "March 17th, which was the very same day"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "as Ken's experience with the Silverman."}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "And in the weeks leading up to it, at"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "least eight other UFO sightings were"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "reported in the area. So something"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "strange was definitely happening, and"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "Ken had somehow gotten caught up in it."}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "Eventually, UFO investigators Jenny"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "Randles and Paul Wetnol became very"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "interested in Ken's case, and they would"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "conduct extensive research into his"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "encounters. Now, during the"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "investigation, they uncovered something"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "intriguing."}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "Supposedly, unusual experiments were"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "being conducted in an atomic energy"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "authority building near the location of"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "Ken's experiences. Naturally, the nature"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "of these was classified, but their"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "timing seemed to coincide with the"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "dramatic increase in sightings in the"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "area. Well, you guys know how the story"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "goes by now. Pretty soon, his encounter"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "was spread far and wide. It was in the"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "local paper, the Warrington Guardian. I"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "mean, it was just a lot of people knew"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "about it. And soon, national newspapers"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "picked the story up, too. The Sunday"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "People ran a headline that said, \"Close"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "Encounter as Ken meets a monster.\" The"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "Sunday Post went with silver giant beams"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "light fantastic. While the news of the"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "world opted for the more sensationalist"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "Ken and a flasher from outer space. This"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "publicity, a lot of which quite frankly"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "was making fun of him, had a profound"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "impact. His home was soon under siege by"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "reporters. You had amateur eupfologist"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "and curious visitors. And there were"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "even people from UFO religions who"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "showed up at his door to tell him that"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "he had been chosen for a special"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "mission. And on the other end of the"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "spectrum, skeptics publicly accused Ken"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "of lying or just being mentally ill. In"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "Ken's defense though, he never made any"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "book or television deals. He never tried"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "to capitalize on this experience, and"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "the constant scrutiny and varied"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "reactions from the public did take a"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "toll on him and his wife, and eventually"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "they were both forced into hiding and"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "even canceled vacation plans to escape"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "the attention. What's really strange"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "about Ken's case is the mysterious marks"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "on his fingers, his stopped watch, and"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "the damaged radio transceiver. All"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "suggesting that something very real had"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "happened to him. And Ken himself,"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "described by everyone as a practical,"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "nononsense kind of man, just seemed"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "unlikely to have perpetuated a hoax or"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "given into a overactive imagination."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "Now, one of the few possibilities left"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "is that Ken had been the victim of a"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "prank. There were universities nearby. I"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "mean, young people with time on their"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "hands are always up for some"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "shenanigans. But Ken never thought this"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "was the case. In fact, regarding the"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "possibility of that, he simply said, \"I"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "wish they could tell me how they did it."}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "How they blew up my radio and walked"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "through a fence, some stunt.\" Sadly, the"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "most disturbing aspect had yet to"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "unfold. You see, within a year of his"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "sighting, he began experiencing serious"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "health problems. He started complaining"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "about a loss of energy and severe"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "stomach pains. At first, doctors"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "couldn't find anything wrong with him,"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "but eventually he was diagnosed with"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "kidney cancer. So, he agreed to have"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "surgery, but even still, his health"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "continued to deteriorate. The cancer"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "later appeared in his throat, suggesting"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "that it had been metastasized despite"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "the surgery. Ken's condition worsened"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "rapidly and within 5 years of his"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "encounter with the silverman, he was"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "dead. Now, it's impossible to prove"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "whether or not Ken's cancer was related"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "to his encounter, but the timing was"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "definitely suspicious. Ken had been in"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "great health before his encounter on"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "March 17th, 1978. So, the fact that he"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "ended up developing a rare and"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "aggressive form of cancer so soon after"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "raises questions about whether or not he"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "was exposed to some form of energy that"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "might have caused it. And he's also not"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "alone because many other eupfologists"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "and people who have undercover or secret"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "knowledge of UFOs or aliens who have an"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "experience or information they want to"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "share also seem to die under mysterious"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "circumstances or they too develop a very"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "rare and aggressive cancer. So is there"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "a connection there? Who knows? But Ken"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "Edward's story remains one of the most"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "intriguing and well doumented close"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "encounter cases in British history. But"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "it does make us wonder that if this was"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "somehow related to those unusual"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "experiments being conducted at the"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "nearby nuclear facility, it suggests a"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "disturbing cover up of something that"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "had lethal consequences for at least one"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "ordinary man. Unfortunately, the"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "identity of this strange silver man,"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "whether it be a UFO, an interdimensional"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "being, a person in a suit, it all"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "remains a mystery. And because you guys"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "all made it this far into the episode, I"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "want you to all comment below, \"Hi ho,"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "Silver,\" so that way I know who made it"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "to the end and who didn't. And if you"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "guys enjoy content like this where we"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "deep dive into strange cases of the"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "mysterious and supernatural, what are"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "you waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "content just like this. And as always,"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "never forget, I love you all. Keep an"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "open mind, and I'll see you all in the"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "very next episode."}]

[{"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "The public basically has been totally"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "lied to. Right now, there are 131 active"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "deep underground military bases in the"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "United States, well hidden from the"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "American public."}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "Deep beneath the surface of our everyday"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "world, terrifying secrets are being"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "held. I'm Josh Dinocchio. This is what"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "lurks beneath. You won't want to miss"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "this one. On a July afternoon in 1987, a"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "21-year-old woman named Christa Tilton"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "was going about her day when she"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "suddenly felt dizzy and laded. She sat"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "down, figuring she just needed a moment"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "to collect herself. But the next thing"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "she knew, she was waking up and it was"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "dark outside. She looked at a clock and"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "was horrified to see that three full"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "hours had passed and she had no memory"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "of what happened in that time."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "Initially, Christa tried to rationalize"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "the experience. You know, she told"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "herself she must have been exhausted"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "and, you know, simply just fainted,"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "sleeping through the afternoon. But in"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "the days that followed, she began having"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "these horrific nightmares. In them, she"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "would see strange distorted figures and"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "feel this overwhelming sense of dread"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "come over her. But when she'd wake up,"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "the specific details of the dreams would"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "simply vanish, leaving only terror"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "behind. She became convinced that these"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "nightmares were not just bad dreams, but"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "they were echoes of whatever had"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "happened during her 3 hours of lost"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "time. Now, this conviction sent her on a"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "desperate search for answers. And that's"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "when she began researching cases of"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "missing time and memory loss. And the"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "more she read, the more she found"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "stories that sounded disturbingly"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "similar to her own. These are stories"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "that often ended with one terrifying"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "explanation. alien abduction. Unsure of"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "what else to do and on the advice of a"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "local euphologist that she had"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "contacted, she decided to undergo"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "regressive hypnosis, hoping to unlock"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "the memories that were tormenting her"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "from just beyond her consciousness. And"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "as she lay in a reclined chair in a"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "quiet room, the hypnotist voice guided"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "her back to that July afternoon. And as"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "she went deeper and deeper into a"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "trance, the wall in her mind that had"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "been blocking her memory suddenly"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "crumbled and a flood of incredibly vivid"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "and detailed images washed over her. And"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "the first thing she remembered was that"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "she hadn't just fainted. Right before"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "she lost consciousness, two small"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "humanoid creatures had approached her,"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "grabbed her by the arms, and everything"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "had gone dark. Her next memory was of"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "being on a cold metal table inside what"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "she knew was a ship. Another humanoid,"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "taller than the others, approached her,"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "and she would later come to call this"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "being her guide. He handed her a glass"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "filled with this strange liquid and told"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "her to drink. Now, as soon as she did,"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "an incredible energy surged through her"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "body. She felt alert, cheerful, and"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "unafraid. And after she finished the"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "drink, the guide led her off the ship,"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "not back to where she had been taken,"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "but to a dark kind of deserted landscape"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "under a night sky. In the distance, she"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "could see a faint light emanating from a"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "small hill coming from what looked like"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "the entrance to a cave. And so, as they"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "walked toward it, she saw a man standing"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "near the entrance. and she could tell"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "that he was human or at least looked"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "like a human and was dressed in a red"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "militarystyle jumpsuit holding an"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "automatic weapon. This is getting weird,"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "right? The guide greeted the man as if"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "they were colleagues and Christa noticed"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "a strange patch on the man's uniform."}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "And so as they entered the cave, it"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "opened up into a tunnel that kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "sloped deep into the earth. It was clear"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "they were going directly under the"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "mountain. Inside, they were met by"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "another guard in a red jumpsuit. And"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "then Christa saw something that really"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "rattled her mind because it made no"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "sense. A modern computerized checkpoint"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "with cameras on either side. To her"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "left, a small transit vehicle was parked"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "in a large grove cut into the rock, and"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "to her right was a long sterile corridor"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "that stretched into the distance, lined"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "with office doors. It was evident they"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "were in some kind of massive underground"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "facility. So Christa and her guide"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "boarded the transit car which then sped"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "them through the complex and she starts"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "asking her guide where are they going"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "but he only replied that he had to show"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "her some things that she needed to know"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "for future use. They had just entered"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "the first level of the institution and"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "when she asked what kind of institution"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "it was he didn't answer. Now, eventually"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "the car stopped and they got out on what"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "the guide called level two. And it was"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "here that she saw what looked like a"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "normal office building, you know, with"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "ordinary people and business attire just"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "kind of walking back and forth, ignoring"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "her. But then they walked past a huge"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "factory-like room. And inside she saw a"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "small saucer-shaped craft being worked"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "on by several of the classic gray aliens"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "with large heads and you know the black"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "almond shaped eyes. Just like the humans"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "in the offices, the grays paid no"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "attention to her, acting as if she had"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "every right to be there. The guide then"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "led her to another elevator and they"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "descended to level five. Now, the moment"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "the doors opened, she was immediately"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "hit with this sickening sweet smell that"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "she recognized from her time as a young"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "nurse's aid for Maldahhide. The air was"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "so thick with it. I mean, it was just"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "pungent and the guide assured her"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "everything was fine. But she was"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "starting to get really fearful. And in"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "fact, the fear was becoming so"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "overwhelming, it was now overriding the"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "effects of the drink that she had"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "earlier. But they continued. They walked"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "down a corridor and stopped in front of"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "a large room. And peeking inside, she"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "saw rows of huge 4ft tall metal tanks,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "all connected by tubes and wires to a"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "complex computer system. A humming sound"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "filled the air, and she could see"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "something was moving inside the vats,"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "causing the liquid to ripple. and she"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "started to walk closer to see what was"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "in them, but the guide grabbed her arm"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "forcefully, telling her she didn't need"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "to see the contents, that it would only"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "complicate matters. He then dragged her"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "down the hall into a large laboratory"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "filled with medical equipment that she"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "had never seen, and a small gray alien"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "stood at a counter. It's back to her"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "preparing what looked like surgical"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "instruments. You heard the clinking"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "sound of metal on metal, and it just"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "made her even more fearful. Now, the"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "guide told her to sit on an examination"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "table in the middle of the room. And as"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "she did, a human doctor in a lab coat"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "entered, greeted the guide, and then"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "looked over at her. And you know, the"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "guide smiled and told her he would wait"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "outside, that this would only take a few"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "moments. And this is when Christa began"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "to cry. The gray alien glanced at her,"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "then turned back to its work, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "unamused. And the doctor called for"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "assistance and another gray entered the"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "room and the next thing she remembered"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "she was lying on the table feeling very"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "sleepy. And as the doctor and the two"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "grays examined her, she felt this sudden"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "stabbing pain in her abdomen and she"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "screamed. Now the human doctor quickly"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "rubbed a cold substance on her stomach"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "and the pain immediately subsided. She"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "begged them to let her go, but they just"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "continued to work on her methodically."}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "Well, when they were finished, she was"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "told to get dressed in a small adjoining"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "room, and she noticed there was blood"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "between her legs, but she was too numb"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "with shock to process it. So, she"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "changed back into her clothes and walked"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "out to find her guide talking quietly"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "with the doctor. And as you can imagine,"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "she felt completely helpless, like a"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "guinea pig in an experiment. And as they"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "left the lab, the guide told her the"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "procedure had been necessary and that"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "she would forget everything. So, as they"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "walked back to the transit car, she"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "asked him again what this place was,"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "like where am I? What what's going on?"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "He simply said it was a very important"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "facility and that she would be returning"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "here over the next few years. Now,"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "before they left, the guy took her to"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "one last area. And there is where she"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "saw the most terrifying sight of all."}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "Lined up against a wall were several"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "large transparent-like tubes. And inside"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "each tube was a person standing"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "motionless, their eyes wide open. Now,"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "she couldn't tell if they were alive or"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "dead. They just stood there like wax"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "figures in the state of suspended"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "animation. But in other chambers, she"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "saw animals in cages like the humans,"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "but also frozen in time. And she pressed"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "her hand against the glass just trying"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "to get a reaction, but there was"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "nothing. Her guide took her back to the"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "transit car, back up to the surface, and"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "back onto the ship. And the next thing"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "she knew, she was waking up in her home"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "3 hours later with no memory of what had"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "just happened. Well, it would turn out"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "that according to Christa, this was just"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "her first trip to the secret underground"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "base. Over the years, she claimed that"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "she was abducted many more times. She"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "came to believe the facility was the"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "infamous Doulce Base in New Mexico, a"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "supposed joint human alien underground"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "complex at the center of countless dark"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "secrets. She claimed she was used to"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "birth hybrid children and that she"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "herself was part alien. It gets darker"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "because this wasn't the only base that"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "she was taken to. In fact, Christa said"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "this. 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I just thought that they were"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "really vivid dreams and that was that"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "was it until I uh well, the real kicker"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "came in 1987 when I saw the book"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "Communion. and they just come out and"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "you know how in the really big"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "bookstores in the malls they when a new"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "book comes out they used to have a big"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "display like right out front you know 50"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "books would be and I just happened to be"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "walking by and I turned and I saw that"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "face and I it was I knew her like I knew"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "her instantly. It was instant"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "recognition and I also instantly uh had"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "to find the nearest bathroom and I ran"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "in the stall just started throwing up"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "like violently and I was not sick before"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "that point like the the seeing that face"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "was so disturbing to me and that I knew"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "who she was. Um, a lot of people I"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "discovered later, I mean, I've heard"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "throughout the years, a lot of people"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "had a very similar reaction. After I saw"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "that book cover, anytime I would try to"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "remember like how I knew her, I would"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "just get these violent headaches and uh,"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "which I had never had a problem with"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "before. So, that was odd. The only way I"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "could get rid of them was just to go to"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "sleep. And if I'd go to sleep, I'd wake"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "up and it would be gone. I finally"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "called Mutual UFO Network and Walt"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "Andress was the president at the time. I"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "just I said, \"Look, this is what's"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "happening and what do you think?\" And he"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "said, \"Well, I think, you know, would"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "you be interested in going under, you"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "know, regressive hypnosis?\" And I said,"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "\"I would, but I don't know anybody and"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "and I don't want to be led. I really"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "just want to find out what's there.\" And"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "so, but it took me 6 months to get up"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "the courage to go do the regression cuz"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "I was really kind of terrified what I"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "was going to uncover. The whole thing"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "started, you know, the the regressionist"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "took me back to the very first time I"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "had an encounter with these beings. I"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "was standing in my bedroom in my crib"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "holding on to the rails and this little"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "man just materialized through the wall."}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Big-headed. I mean, I even drew a"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "picture of him after I came out of the"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "regression. You know, large kind of the"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "large cranium, small eyes, not the big"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "black almond shaped uh upturned eyes."}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "This was just a just a very small frail"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "man with a large cranium. And he was"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "just a frail he was just a friend. After"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "I did the hypnosis, I asked my mom. I"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "said, \"Mom, did I ever like have an"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "invisible friend?\" And she goes, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "yeah. You and your older brother both"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "had an invisible friend.\" She goes,"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "\"Sometimes you guys are so adamant I"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "have to set a place at the table for.\""}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "Now, after I did the regression, the"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "headache stopped and we just kind of"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "scraped the surface of what of the times"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "that I'd been taken. So, I can't talk."}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "The only person in my family I can talk"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "to about that is my sister because she"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "was shared the same bedroom with me. She"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "had some memories of, you know, the way"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "these things would pop in the room. But"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "now I have three children. You know, one"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "of my biggest fears as a parent was that"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "they were going to also disturb my kids."}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "And they did. I think this was 95 or 96."}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "My son came walking into the kitchen. I"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "think I was making breakfast. And he"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "came walking in the kitchen and a very"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "strange look on his face. And I said,"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "\"What's the matter?\" And he said, he"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "said, \"Come to my room.\" So I walked"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "down the hall with him and got into his"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "room and he closed the door. He sat down"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "in his bed and he pulled his boxers down"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "and he had a triangular triangular"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "shaped puncture mark in his groin. I"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "don't know if you've ever seen what a"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "smallox shot looks like when like when"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "we were kids we got these in our arm. I"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "guess it was a the device was around and"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "it had needles, you know, like needles"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "that were in a circle and it was"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "punctures. So my son had these tri had a"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "a perfect triangle with three three"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "puncture marks on his groin. And he just"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "he said, \"Mom, what what is that?\" And I"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "and I, you know, of course I immediately"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "thought, \"Oh, crap.\" You know, now"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "they're taking samples and doing stuff"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "with her kids, you know, still. My"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "daughter walked in. She's 2 years older"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "than he is. and she goes and Nathan"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "showed her and she left the room and"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "went to her room and about 10 seconds"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "later we heard her scream and she had"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "the same puncture mark on her groin just"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "in a different place."}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "Christa Tilton wasn't the only one to"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "bear witness to Doulie base either. a"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "special US government geologist and"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "engineer named Phil Schneider who was"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "involved in the construction of deep"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "underground military bases or dums said"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "this"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "1947"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "is what the public has been told"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "something crashed in a backyard in New"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "Mexico place called Roswell New Mexico"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "military's known about the alien"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "question for the better part of 70 years"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "and they first saw their glimpse of what"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "was going on as early is 1909 in the"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "American Southwest. All information"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "dealing with alien or alien reproduced"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "technology well hidden from the American"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "public. Right now there are 131 active"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "deep underground military bases in the"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "United States. There's 1477 of them"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "worldwide. The Magneto Leviton trains"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "that connect all the deep underground"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "military bases. The public basically has"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "been totally lied to. were considered"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "stupid or even moronic in some cases."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "To make matters stranger, even local"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "news had picked up on some of the"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "strange events happening in and around"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "the area."}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "They threw down a ladder from that"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "spaceship and then two small people"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "started climbing down. It was huge. I"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "just saw like just saw the bottom of it,"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "you know, it was like flat like this."}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "Down this way, the waist down it's a"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "goat. It has a tail, but up here it's a"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "man. Many of her neighbors claim similar"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "strange sightings. Some people in town"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "say the base is run by aliens working"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "with our federal government to conduct"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "mind control and genetic experiments."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "Unfortunately, where she was taken to,"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "why she was chosen, or any of the real"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "specifics, well, that remains a mystery."}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "On the night of November 17th, 1977,"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "a 50-year-old minor named Mario Quetto"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "sat on the cold sand of Yanorina Beach"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "in Peru, clutching his stomach. The pain"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "from his chronic ulcers was particularly"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "bad tonight, but he wasn't about to let"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "it ruin his fishing trip. He along with"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "his son and three of his closest"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "friends, fellow miners named Francisco,"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "Ricardo, and Benjamin, had been planning"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "this trip for weeks. They were all hard"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "workers and a night out fishing under"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "the stars was their way of unwinding."}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "They had driven hours to get to this"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "remote stretch of coastline in Araquipa,"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "a place so isolated it felt like they"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "were the only people on Earth. The sky"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "was clear and the only sounds were the"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "rhythmic crashes of waves and the quiet"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "chatter of the friends as they cast"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "their lines into the water. Around 1:30"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "or so in the morning, as Mario was"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "trying to ignore another sharp pain in"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "his gut, Ricardo suddenly stopped"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "talking mid-sentence, and he pointed up"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "at the sky. The other men, of course,"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "followed his gaze, and there, hanging"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "silently above the ocean, were three"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "metallic saucer-shaped objects. They"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "weren't moving, but they were rotating"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "slowly, ringed with brilliant, colorful"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "lights that pulsed in shades of yellow"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "and red. The five fishermen stood"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "frozen, their lines forgotten in the"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "water. And Francisco, who was an avid"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "photographer, instinctively reached for"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "his camera bag before remembering with a"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "curse that he'd left it at home. Of"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "course, no one said a word. They just"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "stared, trying to process what it was"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "they were saying. And Mario, ever the"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "instigator, broke the silence. He"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "grabbed his flashlight, aimed it up at"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "the objects, and flicked it on and off,"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "just trying to get its attention."}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "Instantly, the spinning of the saucer"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "stopped and the objects themselves"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "became stationary. But the lights around"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "their edges continued to rotate, casting"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "this strange silent disco almost across"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "the ocean. Then slowly and in perfect"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "unison, the three crafts began to"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "descend. They didn't fall. They actually"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "moved with a very controlled, deliberate"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "purpose, entering the ocean without so"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "much as a splash. One moment they were"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "there, the next they were gone, leaving"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "only the five stunned men on the shore."}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "Now, Ricardo finally broke the silence,"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "whispering to his friends, \"Did you guys"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "just see that?\" Now, you know, he was"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "trying to sound braver than ever and"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "replied without hesitation that they"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "were flying saucers. Now, for a while,"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "they were all too shaken to do much of"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "anything. They decided to pack up their"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "gear and move to a different spot a"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "little further down the beach where they"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "hoped that their luck would be better."}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "So they set up their things and one by"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "one they succumbed to their fatigue,"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "collapsing onto the sand and falling"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "into this deep sleep. Now it was"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "Benjamin who who woke up first just as"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "the sky was beginning to lighten. But it"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "wasn't the dawn that had woken him. It"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "was a strange silvery light reflecting"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "off the wet sand. And so he sat up,"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "rubbing his eyes, and then he scrambled"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "over to his friends, shaking them awake."}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "And he pointed down the beach asking"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "what the strange object was. wondering"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "aloud if the army had somehow arrived on"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "this desolate beach. About 50 or so"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "meters away, sitting right at the edge"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "of the water, was a large tanklike"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "object. It was about 2 m high and 4 m"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "long, made of a seamless shimmering"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "silver metal. It had no wheels, no"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "visible seams, no markings of any kind."}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "It just sat there reflecting the"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "pre-dawn light in a way that almost kind"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "of made it glow. Standing chest deep in"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "the violent surf nearby were three"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "distinct figures. Now, initially these"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "fishermen thought that they were just"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "men, as weird as this was. But as they"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "looked and stared, they realized nothing"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "about this was ordinary. The figures in"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "the water were giants, impossibly tall,"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "and dressed head to toe in the same"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "shiny silver material as the craft. They"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "wore boots, gloves, and helmets that"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "completely obscured their faces. Ricardo"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "would later recall that they couldn't"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "see their faces, that everything was"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "silver, and that they moved with this"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "robotic gate. Now, the figures were"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "standing in waves that crashed against"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "their chest with enough force to knock a"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "normal man off his feet, but they just"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "stood there holding their ground,"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "motionless and unaffected. Bizarrely,"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "they seemed to be fishing. They would"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "raise their arms in a casting motion,"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "and the men on the beach could hear a"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "faint whistling sound, you know, like a"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "line cutting through the air. But the"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "figures held no rods or no lines or any"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "equipment. And then one of the figures"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "took a step out of the water and onto"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "the sand. As its silver boot touched the"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "shore, the sand around it seemed to hiss"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "sent him a smoke as if it were boiling."}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "The fisherman, of course, were"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "terrified. All except for one. Mario"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "Quetto, despite the searing pain in his"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "stomach, was consumed by this defiant"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "curiosity. While his friends huddled"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "together, he stood up and Francisco"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "tried to warn him, grabbing his arm,"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "telling him it was dangerous, that this"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "thing could be from another planet."}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "Doesn't this sound like the plot from"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "like a 1950s or60s sci-fi movie? Crazy,"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "right? But in defiance, Mario shook him"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "off. He was going to get a closer look"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "at that craft, and he began walking"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "slowly, deliberately down the beach"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "toward the silver tank. And as he got"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "closer, one of the giant figures in the"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "water turned its head toward him. It"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "didn't speak, but it slowly shook its"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "head from side to side, a clear,"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "unmistakable warning not to come any"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "closer. And you know, Mario hesitated"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "for a second and then kept walking. He"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "was only a few meters from the craft"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "when he saw a small window on its side,"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "and he crept up to it and peered inside."}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "And there he saw a fourth silverclad"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "figure sitting at a small table. It was"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "holding what looked like a flat"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "melanchcoled tortilla and was eating it."}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "Now, as Mario watched, the figure tore"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "off a piece and casually tossed it"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "toward a small opening near the window."}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "The scrap fell out onto the sand, and"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "without thinking, he bent down, picked"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "up the strange, warm piece of food and"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "put it in his mouth. The effect was"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "immediate and violent. It buckled his"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "knees, and he fell to the sand, vomiting"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "uncontrollably. He stumbled back to his"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "friends, pale and shaking, unable to"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "explain what had just happened. And then"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "the strangest thing of all occurred. As"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "his friends gathered around him, this"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "wave of exhaustion washed over all five"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "of them simultaneously. This wasn't"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "natural tiredness. It was this heavy,"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "irresistible force. Now, as Ricardo"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "would later describe it, they simply"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "conked out. And when they awoke hours"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "later, the sun was high in the sky. The"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "silver craft was gone and the giant"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "figures were gone. They scrambled to"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "their feet and rushed to the shoreline,"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "desperately searching for any sign of"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "what had happened. But of course, there"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "was nothing. It was as if the entire"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "encounter had been nothing more than a"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "shared nightmare. Fearing ridicule, they"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "kept their story to themselves for"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "decades. They went back to their lives,"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "to their work in the mines, trying to"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "forget the impossible morning on that"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "beach. But for Mario, something changed."}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "because as the months went by, he"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "noticed that chronic agonizing pain from"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "his stomach ulcers, a condition that had"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "plagued him for years at this point was"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "fading away. And in fact, within 6"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "months, it was gone entirely. And when"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "he went to his doctors, as you can"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "imagine, they were baffled. They ran"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "tests, but they could find no medical"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "explanation. The ulcers that had been a"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "constant source of misery in his life"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "had completely healed. While you and I"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "have tons of questions about this man's"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "account, it's changed Mario's life"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "forever. South America is full of"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "strange UFO and humanoid accounts just"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "like the one I shared with you. And"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "there's just so many. It makes us wonder"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "what's going on down there and what's so"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "special about South America that make it"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "so concentrated for things like this."}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "The the Peruvian government has not"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "controlled it. uh which is why you can"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "go there and you can still see things."}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "They used to have stuff here in some of"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "the museums. It's all with Nagpur,"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "Native American Grave Protection"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "Repatriation Act. You know, you can't"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "find anything. I mean, it's just every"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "it's a controlled narrative."}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "What makes this 1977 case even more"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "interesting is the similarities it has"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "to another very famous UFO case that"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "involves food. in the 1960s, I think was"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "April 18th, 1961. Joe is sitting in his"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "kitchen, really well regarded by the"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "community, you know, he was Santa Claus"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "for the community some. He was, you"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "know, an active member in the community."}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "Um, and he was sitting at his kitchen"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "table and he was finishing up, you know,"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "breakfast or a late breakfast or an"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "early lunch, something like that. And he"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "hears this sound. It's like"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "like the sound of wet pavement, tires"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "moving across wet pavement. and he looks"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "outside and he thinks that like there's"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "something settling down into his yard"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "and he thinks at first like, \"Oh no, my"}, {"end": "00:27:43", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "my the roof of my house has come off.\""}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "But as he's looking at it, he sees that"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:43", "text": "it looks like two bowls set on top of"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "each other and it's, you know, shiny and"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "and chrome. But, uh, he rushes outside"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "and this sort of the way he describes it"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "is kind of like a car trunk opening."}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "This this portal on the UFO opens up and"}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "he sees a couple of men inside and"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "they're not aliens. They they do appear"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "to be men. Um he said that I think Joe"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "Simonson um himself said that they"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "looked like dark-kinned Italians I think"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "is what he said. um you know, consider"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "the time, consider the place. I guess"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "one of them is sort of gesturing at him."}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "And he infers, and it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "interesting, you you look at some of Joe"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "Simon's interviews, and he looks a"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "little bit haunted at this point because"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "he he said that he looked into the"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "entity's eyes, and this person's eyes"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "really seemed to um really seemed to"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "sort of look into his soul. But he"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "gathered uh in his simple way um that"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "these beings must want water. And they"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "handed him this jug that he says was the"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "most beautiful piece of, you know, most"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "beautiful container he'd ever seen. He'd"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "never seen anything on Earth at all that"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "looked as, you know, ornate and"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "captivating. And so he, you know, opens"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "the door and he goes down to the"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "basement and he has a pump down there."}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "He pumps up some water and he brings it"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "back and he's sort of leaning up to hand"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "this jug of fresh water up to one of"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "these UFO occupants and he notices that"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "another one of these beings is um"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "working on this flameless griddle is"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "what he described it in the back because"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "he can see inside the craft and the"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "there's I think a couple of little"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "panels and stuff but most of it looks"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "like this black raw iron and on this one"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "flat surface that one of the uh one of"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "the UFO occupants is flipping these"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "these sort of discs and he can't really"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "figure out what they are, but he makes"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "this motion like, \"Oh, are you going to"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "eat? You know, can we eat? Are you going"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "to eat?\" The UFO occupant decides that"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "this means that uh Joe is hungry. So, he"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "hands these things over to Joe. Um I"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "can't remember exactly how many it is"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "because you read conflicting reports. Uh"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "three is kind of the general number. One"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "ended up in the hands of uh Jen"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "Heinneck, who was doing a lot of"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "research at the time. Um one one was"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "shipped away for analysis and Joe kept"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "one. Joe sees that they look like these"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "little cookies or pancakes. And you"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "there's still pictures you can find"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "online. And there's actually um one of"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "these is still on display outside a"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "cafeteria at a military base if you can"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "believe it. But it looks like this sort"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "of like loose lattice work of of of"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "you know grain product. And he tastes"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "one and he says they taste like they"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "taste horrible. They taste like uh like"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "cardboard. Joe even said you know the"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "beings were rather short. They were like"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "4t tall or so. and he said, \"No wonder"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "they don't get so big if they're eating"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "that for their for their meals.\" Joe"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "takes a bite and that's kind of the end"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "of the interaction. Door on the side of"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "the craft closes and the UFO takes off"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "into the sky. Joe suffered a lot for"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "this. Um he came forward. It's it's an"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "absolutely absurd story. Everybody knows"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "that it's absurd. You know, especially"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "the the crowd of modern folks who like"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "to talk about sinister alien agendas and"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "hybridization and things like that. They"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "have no time for something like the Joe"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "Simon story, even though he had physical"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "evidence from his encounter. There was"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "never any deception detected on Joe's"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "part. And these these pancakes or"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "cookies, whatever you want to call them,"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "it's usually called they're usually"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "called pancakes. This is the UFO pancake"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "story, were were analyzed. And the"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "analysis revealed that they were"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "completely made of terrestrial"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "ingredients, uh, primarily buckwheat,"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "but with a noticeable lack of salt. Um,"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "which is interesting because if you ever"}, {"end": "00:31:09", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "cooked, you know that even, you know,"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "some rudimentary uh pastries and things"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:09", "text": "that you make will will require salt,"}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "you know, even if you don't taste it."}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "There's a lot of back and forth and he's"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:14", "text": "interviewed numerous times and there's a"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "bit of a media frenzy. You know, he"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "passed away eventually and is still"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "buried up there in Eagle River. Why why"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "I find that story interesting is because"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "a it's high strangeness. You know, it's"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "just it's one of the it's so goofy."}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "Another reason is because of my interest"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "in in fairy folklore. Jacqu Filet in"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "1969 wrote this work that's been really"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "sort of the the cornerstone for a lot of"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "the stuff that I do and it was called"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "Passport to Meonia. Other people had"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "sort of briefly or fertively drawn this"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "comparison in the past but Valle really"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "did a great job of showing the"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "similarities between some of these older"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "ideas surrounding spirits and in"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "particular fairies the faith folk and"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "the modern UFO contact experience. And"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "one of the things that Valet noted was"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "that there's a lot of fairy lore"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "surrounding buckwheat including you know"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "fairies sort of dispensing or um or"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "rationing uh buckwheat grain uh to"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "people in certain parts of his native"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "France. But also uh you know fairies"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "always had an aversion to salt. You know"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "that was one of the ways to keep the"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "fairies at bay was to put out salt. And"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "you know that's something you'll hear in"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "other occult practices too is that you"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "the way you keep out spirits and demons"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "and things like that in general is to"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "use salt. So he valet said, \"Oh, look,"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "we got buckwheat, but we got buckwheat."}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "We've got a lack of salt.\" Um, you know,"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "this sounds kind of like a fairy story."}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "Because again, you know, Simon mentioned"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "that these these entities had dark skin."}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "And a lot of these fairy stories,"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "including the modern ones, will talk"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "about the fairies sort of having darker"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "skin and this sort of whizzed"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "complexion. They're all sort of wrinkled"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "and stuff. And there's an island off the"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "coast of Germany where local folklore"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "holds that a race of dwarves referred to"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "as the, pardon my pronunciation, the"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "Unurbansk or Unurerbansky were very fond"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "of helping out farmers. And Joe Simon is"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "a farmer. And these dwarves on this"}, {"end": "00:33:03", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "particular island helped out farmers who"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "were working in the field by bringing"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:03", "text": "them fresh water and pancakes. And that"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "to me is whenever you find a little"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "tidbit like that, it's that's when my"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "alarm bells really start going off"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "because I don't think Joe Simon was"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "reading a book of of German folklore."}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "The Joe Simon story has always been um a"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "favorite of mine and you might see it on"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "while lurks beneath soon. As bizarre as"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "these accounts are, there are certainly"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "an overwhelming amount of experiencers."}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "It folks remains a mystery."}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "On a cold February night in 2004, a"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "teenager named Ben and his two friends,"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "Michael and Chris, were sitting around"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "his garage in Anchorage, Alaska, bored"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "out of their minds. It was late, and"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "outside the world was already buried"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "under a thick, fresh blanket of snow"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "that had fallen a few days earlier. Mike"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "turned to the others and just said, \"You"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "guys want to go for a ride?\" He was"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "nodding toward their three snow machines"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "parked in the corner. Now, technically,"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "riding snow machines within the"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "Anchorage city limits was illegal, but"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "just a little ways north of Ben's house"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "were miles of incredible trails that,"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "you know, snaked and winded through the"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "woods and up near the power line"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "clearings east of Potter Marsh. It was a"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "place they knew well. And so, a few"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "minutes later, the three friends were"}, {"end": "00:34:28", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "roaring down the street. They rode for"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "about a/4 mile before Ben, who was in"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:28", "text": "the lead, veered off the road and onto a"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "trail head, plunging them into the deep"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "woods. Now, here the only light came"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "from the powerful beams of their"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "headlights, which was so dark it kind of"}, {"end": "00:34:44", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "cut this narrow beam through the pitch"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "black forest. So, for about a half an"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:44", "text": "hour or so, Ben continued to lead the"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "way, weaving through the trees with his"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "friends close behind. The cold air"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "whipped at his face, and he felt this"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "rush of adrenaline and freedom. And this"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "was exactly what they had been looking"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "for. Eventually, they reached a familiar"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "intersection of trails and pulled up"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "next to each other, cutting their"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "engines, and all of them just took a"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "minute and were like, \"Wow, it's so"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "quiet out here.\" And so, they just sat"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "there for a few minutes talking and"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "laughing, their breath pluming in the"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "air, really enjoying themselves. Well,"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "they took off again. Ben was still in"}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "the lead and he felt confident and"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "decided to explore a less traveled game"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "trail he'd seen before. This trail was"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "narrow and he had to maneuver carefully,"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "but it soon opened up into a wide,"}, {"end": "00:35:36", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "beautiful clearing. Ben gunned the"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "engine and rode out into the open space."}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "His friends following about 50 yard"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "behind him and as he sped across the"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "clearing, he came up on a small mound of"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "snow. He hit it with a bit of speed,"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "getting a little air before landing"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "softly on the other side. But as his"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "headlight beam settled, it illuminated"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "something on the ground that made him"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "slow to a stop. There, in the pristine,"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "unbroken snow was a set of tracks. And"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "these were huge, much larger than any"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "animal track he'd ever seen. And the"}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "prints were sunk deep into the 10 in of"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "fresh snow, which means that whatever"}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "made them was incredibly heavy. Ben's"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "first thought was that it had to be a"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "moose because they were very common here"}, {"end": "00:36:19", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "and they're massive. So, he followed the"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "tracks with his eyes and they led to a"}, {"end": "00:36:23", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "spot about 20 feet away where it looked"}, {"end": "00:36:26", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "like something had pushed aside a huge"}, {"end": "00:36:28", "start": "00:36:23", "text": "area of snow and laid down for a while."}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:26", "text": "It was a large matted depression big"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:28", "text": "enough for a very large animal. And the"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "first thing that comes to his mind is"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "this must have been a moose bedding down"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "for the night just trying to rationalize"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "the strangeness of the scene. But his"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "curiosity got the better of him. His"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "friends were still behind, just entering"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "the clearing, and he figured he had a"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "minute to investigate, right? So, he"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "followed the tracks as they continued"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "away from the depression and went over"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "another small hill. He slowly drove his"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "snow machine up the incline, his"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "headlight pointing up into the dark sky."}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "And as he crested the hill, the beam of"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "his light dropped. There, not 10 or 12"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "feet in front of him, was this creature,"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "enormous, covered in dark, thick hair,"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "and running away from him on two legs."}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "Ben was simply frozen, his mind unable"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "to process what was happening. And then"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "he had this wave of primal fear go over"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "him. So, he slammed on the brakes, his"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "entire snow machine skidding to a halt,"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "and it just continued to run and jumped"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "cleanly over a large snow-covered log"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "and vanished. Ben didn't even think. He"}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "yanked the handlebars of his snow"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "machine, spinning it around and gunned"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "the engine, racing back the way he came."}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "So he flew over the hill back towards"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "the first mound where they had initially"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "seen the tracks. And he met his friends"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "as they were just coming over it. They"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:46", "text": "were very confused by his sudden frantic"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "retreat. He didn't slow down. He just"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "kept screaming, \"We need to get out of"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "here now.\" And just blasted past them."}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "He didn't look back to see if they were"}, {"end": "00:38:01", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "following. He just rode as fast as he"}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "could, completely terrified out of his"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:01", "text": "mind. He didn't stop until he was back"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:03", "text": "on the main road. His friends, who"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "pulled up a moment later, were laughing"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "and they're like, \"Dude, what's your"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "issue? What was that all about?\" But Ben"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "was so on edge and he's shaking and he"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "tried to explain to them what he saw."}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "But of course, his friends just mocked"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "him. They laughed at him and, you know,"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "they burst out laughing and they're"}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "like, \"Dude, it was probably just a bear"}, {"end": "00:38:26", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "or you know, someone in a gorilla suit"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:24", "text": "trying to mess with people. you're I"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:26", "text": "think you're losing it. It wasn't a bear"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "and it certainly wasn't a person because"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "it was so powerful and fluid in its"}, {"end": "00:38:36", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "movement and you know it had long"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "swinging arms at its side and it kind of"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:36", "text": "just plowed through the deep snow with"}, {"end": "00:38:43", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "such an ease that it was impossible. And"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "even several times after this his"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:43", "text": "friends started to bring up the moose"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "incident in the woods where Ben got"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "spooked by seeing a large moose and they"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "never let him live it down. But Ben was"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "100% positive about what he saw in the"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "beam of his headlight that night alone"}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "in the Alaskan wilderness. He had seen a"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "Bigfoot."}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:00", "text": "One of the largest debates in the field"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "is that Bigfoot is more than just an"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "ape. It's a supernatural creature"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "capable of mind speak, going through"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "portals, and possessing power far beyond"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "human comprehension. You encounter you"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "you encounter these sort of two"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "different kinds of Bigfoot. The the the"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "one that is, as I said earlier, more"}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "primitive and more more like a smart ape"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "and then the other one which is clearly"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:29", "text": "telepathic and able to communicate in"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "very sophisticated ways."}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "And that that's that seems to be"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "consistent across the board as it"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "pertains to Bigfoot. Some people, for"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "example, I have a my friend Mancow, the"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "famous shock jock from Chicago, had a"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "had a very close encounter with a"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "Bigfoot in Missouri when he was a boy."}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "And it was and I and he's talked to me"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "about it in great detail. And he just"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "believes it's a big animal. It's a"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "beast. And he just in the way he"}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "describes it is indeed very bestial. It"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "it was just like a a a large intelligent"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "gorilla, something like that, but not as"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "not not anywhere near as intelligent as"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "a human being, but more intelligent than"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "a gorilla. And it was clearly an animal."}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "And you know, he was very close to it."}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "But then there's a story I'm tracking"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "here in Montana where some individuals I"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "know are having encounters with a"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "Bigfoot, a male and a female. And this"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "thing is not just an animal. This is an"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "intelligent being that seems to have"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "extraordinary capabilities. So the these"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "two things are always in play. These"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "two, you know, versions"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "of Bigfoot are are always in play. And"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "some people will attest to the fact this"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "is just a smart ape. And others will"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "say, \"No, this is something more than"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "just a smart ape.\""}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "Eyewitness Ernie Davio had his own"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "shocking encounter. And based on his"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "experiences, this seems like far more"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "than just a large beast. But this area"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "here, I've hunted all over the east"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "coast, New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont,"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "Connecticut, and one of my favorite"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "places that I used to go up into uh with"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "my brother was the Cabbell Mountain"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "Reservoir area. Even back then, it was"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "very steep and uh legend and it's a lot"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "of it is very hard to get into. That"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "morning, uh, it was the last day, the"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "last day of hunting season in the state"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "of Massachusetts for a shotgun. And I"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "know a lot of people think they they say"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "you can't hunt the shotgun. Yeah, you"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "can. Okay. In some states, that's all"}, {"end": "00:41:42", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "you can use unless it's primitive"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "firearms. 12 gauge shotgun, 2 and 3/4 in"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "slugs. I only carried a buckshot if I"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "had to go into Mount Laurel or something"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "like that. I knew which which direction"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "pretty much that the wind was going to"}, {"end": "00:41:56", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "be blowing that day. and I had to go"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "from the Westfield area up towards uh"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:56", "text": "the Cabo Mountain area and I had passed"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "by a farm and that I drove by that that"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "farmland and I don't know maybe a mile"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "or so down the road you can either take"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "a right and go into Cab or you can park"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "right there and then you have to walk in"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "you know on the left hand side of the"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "road you have to walk down uh uh an old"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "fire road that's only accessible for"}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "employees that are going to be checking"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "the reservoir or anything like that and"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "I had there was a marker there. It's"}, {"end": "00:42:28", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "called Indian Rock and it was a profile"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "of three different Indians on the same"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:28", "text": "rock. Little ways past that was the"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "trail I was going to take and it"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "happened to go up Drake Mountain. As it"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "went up Drake Mountain, it slung off to"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "the up off to the left a little bit. So,"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "you had had to walk in there like maybe"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "maybe a half mile or so, I guess, and"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "sling off to the left and then it'd go"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "up over the uh the top the ridge of that"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "mountain about 3/4 of the way up right"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "on that that bow where it straightened"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "back out to the right and went up over"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "the ridge or where a set of uh three"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "boulders up there. I used to like look"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "at it and you have those thoughts in"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "your head. Well, that that looks like"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "how do these boulders get here? That"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "looks like Stonehinge in a way, you"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "know. But I had found evidence that the"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "deer were actually bedding down in that"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "area, too. There's plenty of feed in the"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "area. There's another reason why I I"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "chose that area. I had all that marked"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "on a topographical map. So, I knew"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "basically where they were going to be"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "that morning because the wind was"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "actually blowing down the side of Drake"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "Mountain over the the Grand Reservoir"}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "side. So, I proceeded in and as I got I"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "don't know fairly close to that uh those"}, {"end": "00:43:38", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "those boulders where I figured the deer"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "would be bedded down. I could see my"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:38", "text": "breath and it was a little crispy"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "outside. You you can kind of get used to"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "telling the temperature outside because"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "if you can just instantly see your"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "breath when you when you puff your puff"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "your breath out that that's pretty cold."}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "That's that's probably 30 or below."}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "Okay. But I jumped the deer. The deer"}, {"end": "00:43:59", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "obviously heard me. They never seen me."}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "They didn't smell me, you know, cuz I"}, {"end": "00:44:03", "start": "00:43:59", "text": "listened to them. They they jumped up"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "and they took off straight out towards"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:03", "text": "towards the top of that ridge that"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "paralleled the road that I'm about ready"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "to take because I figured that that blew"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "my chances of getting a deer right"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "there. But my only hope now was to stalk"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "them and then get out in front of them"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "and set up an ambush, ambush them, you"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "know. And the way I did that is I would"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "take like what I call a two-step. I"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "don't want to be sounding like a a"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "two-legged animal. If it does hear me,"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "I'm going to be as quiet as I can. But"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "if it does hear me, I'm going to go toe,"}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "heel, toe, heel. Plus, you can adjust"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "your weight a lot better that way than"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "walking from your heel to your toe and"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "then taking off on that. That's how"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "you're actually crunch up little twigs"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "and things like that. I could hear them"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "uh just on the other side of that ridge."}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "Couldn't see them, but I could hear"}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "them. And they were paralleling the same"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "road that I was on. Hindsight, I could"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "hear something on the other side of them"}, {"end": "00:45:02", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "and I figuring it was probably just a"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "buck or something like that. 200 m maybe"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:02", "text": "a little over 200 yards to the the point"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "where I would have to ambush them. That"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "road traveled straight down towards that"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "that pad traveled straight down towards"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "that apple orchard which was probably"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "now about at least a mile from my"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "location. The ambush point that I had"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "planned on actually dog led back down"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "around the the other side of where"}, {"end": "00:45:25", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "they're getting ready to come through"}, {"end": "00:45:27", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "and Drake Brookke came out of the"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:25", "text": "mountain right at right almost at the"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:27", "text": "very top right there. So on that dog leg"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "there was a stone wall that that went"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "directly across from the road that I was"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "on to that dog leg right on that corner"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "there was my ambush point. That's where"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "I was hoping to get to. I got to it. But"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "as I approached it, of course you're"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "going to if you're a hunter, you're"}, {"end": "00:45:48", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "going to look around. You don't want any"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "growls popping up or feeasant turkey or"}, {"end": "00:45:52", "start": "00:45:48", "text": "even squirrels running around. Some"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "squirrels I get a lot of red squirrels"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "up around there and them things will"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "just totally rat you out, give you away"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "and start chattering and everything"}, {"end": "00:46:03", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "else. I didn't see a blessed thing."}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "There wasn't anything there. So I I set"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:03", "text": "up my my position. I could hear them"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "coming through the the top of that ridge"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "there. They're headed towards that stone"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "wall and they slowed down. I could hear"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "what sounded like scraping, you know,"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "the ground. So, I'm figuring that"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "they're probably browsing, you know. So,"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "I'm facing that stone wall, crouched"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "down a little bit, and I pick up"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "movement on my 9:00 right on right just"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:22", "text": "in my peripheral. Sound like the deer"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "kind of stopping. They were just just uh"}, {"end": "00:46:30", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "grazing just a little bit, you know,"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "browsing. I looked over. I still got my"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:30", "text": "shotgun pointed over there because I"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "know whatever it is is on the ground. I"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "looked over there. You know, people"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "will, you know, when I tell you that I I"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "figured it's probably a deer silhouette,"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "you know, lengthwise, you know, lay"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "spread out on there, uh, with its head"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "on the other side of that tree. I was"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "brought up to not shoot a deer laying"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "down sleeping. It was laying there and I"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "can hear the deer getting a little bit"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "closer and I look back over there cuz I"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "have my shotgun and I halfway in"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "between, we'll say, cuz I don't know if"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "it's going to just pop up and run, then"}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "I can get a shot. So, I'm flipping back"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "and forth. So now I'm I'm watching over"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "on the other side of that stone wall"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "because this thing is moving start it"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "starts getting up even more bunching up"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "I want to say and it's it's bigbodied."}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "So I'm now I'm assuming it's taking my"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "attention again and I'm back on it you"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "know still trying to maintain"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "concentration on those deer on the other"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "side of that stone wall and I'm thinking"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "now that it's not a deer that it's a"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "bear. It's big body. Still got its head"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "around the other side of the tree. And I"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "definitely don't want to get bumrushed"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "by a bear. Maybe it came out of the tree"}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "and it had cubs in it in in somewhere's"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "around close by. That would probably"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "promote the bear being angry at me and"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "at 35 or 38 yards, whatever you want to"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "call it. That's close quarters for me."}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "I've got slugs in that gun and I buck"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "shot in that gun. The first shot counts."}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "you know, it started getting up a little"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "bit more. And then now now I can see"}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "that it's doesn't look like a bear. It"}, {"end": "00:48:06", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "looks like a guy. So now I'm flipping"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:04", "text": "back, you know, I'm going back toward"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:06", "text": "I'm flipping back straight towards the"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "deer on the other side of that stone"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "wall halfway to 3/4 of the way standing"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "with his head on the other side of that"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "tree hugging the tree. I'm thinking"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "definitely this is a man. The silhouette"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "is a man. And I've got my shotgun"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "pointed right over that stone wall. And"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "uh"}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "he continues to get up and now I'm"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "thinking that what I need to do because"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "his head's on the other side of that"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "stone wall on the other side of that"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "tree. If that those deer come over that"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:34", "text": "stone wall, they're going to come"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "between us. They could come between us"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "or one could come between us. And that"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "first deer that comes over, believe me,"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "that that was going to be the one that I"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "was going to shoot. So, I want to be"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "able to be at least in his peripheral"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "vision so that if he sticks his head"}, {"end": "00:48:54", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "around my side of the tree, you know,"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "he's going to have to if a deer tries to"}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:54", "text": "come between us, he's going to spot me."}, {"end": "00:49:02", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "He's he's going to pick up movement from"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "me looking at this so-called guy again."}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:02", "text": "And he's absolutely uh big. He's huge."}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "I'm looking for a marker on the tree."}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "I'm looking for a twig, a branch,"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "something. I don't know how this is all"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "going to go down. if he's going to walk"}, {"end": "00:49:19", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "away after all this is said and done,"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "but I mean he this guy was big. I I've"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "I've never really seen a guy I've seen"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "some big men big men. And and this guy"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "was a little bit beyond that. I found a"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "piece of moss on that tree and I said,"}, {"end": "00:49:32", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "\"Okay.\" I put it in my memory bank. I"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "said, \"Okay, let's get back to work"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:32", "text": "here.\" You know, and looking back over"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "that stone wall and all hell broke loose"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "on the other side of that stone wall."}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "it. I c I have no words to describe this"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "to people. It sound like something came"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "out of the trees. I could hear uh"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "boulders,"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "not just rocks or stones. I could hear"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "boulders clacking, you know, like like"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "being thrown and hitting another"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "boulder. I could hear what sounded like"}, {"end": "00:50:06", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "if you if you went down to a gymnasium"}, {"end": "00:50:10", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "and they have a 250lb hanging bag and"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:06", "text": "you hit it with a a uh a baseball bat. I"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:10", "text": "you can distinctly tell if they used a"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "baseball bat or if they just used a"}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "little a tree branch or something. This"}, {"end": "00:50:24", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "was not a branch. This was a limb. This"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "was this was big. This was uh definitely"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "making contact with something. There was"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "a knockdown dragout going on over there."}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "Everything Everything you can imagine"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "was going on. I didn't hear any"}, {"end": "00:50:39", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "screaming. I didn't hear any grunts or"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "groans. This being that was at the tree."}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:39", "text": "He stuck his head around my side of the"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "tree and he uh was looking directly"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "across over that stone wall and he"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "caught me in his peripheral. I'm no"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "longer in the crouch position. I'm"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "standing. I'm waiting for them deer to"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "one of them to go left, right, up the"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "middle, whatever, you know, hoping"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "anyways. But, uh, he caught me in his"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "peripheral and he looked over and he"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "looked back over that stone wall again"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "and he snapped his head at me. He had"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "the look of shock on his face that he"}, {"end": "00:51:11", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "couldn't believe that I was standing"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "there and I'm I'm looking at him and I"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:11", "text": "mean, I seen the patty fell and stuff"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "and but I've never I've never seen"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "anything like this. I mean, I understand"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "it now. People have the uncanny valley"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "thing going on and you have fight or"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "flight and all of that, but he snapped"}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "his head back at me and looked at me."}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "That was pretty much set for me what I"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:29", "text": "was looking at. I could I was absolutely"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "looking at like a missing link. That's"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "all I can tell people. Absolutely"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "enormous. Uh totally wrecked my uh my"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "day in a way, you know, that who was I"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "going to tell this to? And there's a lot"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "there was a lot going on in my mind."}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "That's when he decided that what he was"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "going to do is he was going to broadside"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "me. He's going to face me, face off with"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "me. When he looked at me, he brought his"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "right leg out a little bit further. He's"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "still hanging onto the tree a little bit"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "for balance, I guess, with his left arm"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "and he brought his left leg around. So,"}, {"end": "00:52:06", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "he's facing me. I got my 12 cage. I I"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "got it right on his chest. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:06", "text": "what's about to go down here. I don't"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "know. I don't even know where I'm really"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "going to shoot this. I can only assume"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "that it's so humanlike that I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "need to put a put a slug right in its"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "chest, you know, uh semi-automatic. I"}, {"end": "00:52:24", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "probably do one or two in this in the"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "same thought I had in in the back of my"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "mind is there's more than one there."}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "There's definitely more than one there."}, {"end": "00:52:33", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "So"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "he took a step towards me, about a half"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:33", "text": "a step, and he put um his hands out, his"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "palms uh facing me, fingertips facing"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "towards the sky, elbows in, waist level,"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "and spaced evenly apart, just below his"}, {"end": "00:52:52", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "chest, but above his waist. And uh he"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "pumped him like two times at me. And and"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:52", "text": "uh this is unbelievable. So I I I'm"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "starting to do my wellness check on"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "myself. uh you know in aming what's"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "going on here and um B as you hear the"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "different things that happened every"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "step he took towards me or every single"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "thing he did towards me he looked at me"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "like you would look at a child and see"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "if that child understood you you'd even"}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "be shaking your head yes or you know do"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "you understand and and that was pretty"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "much it and it was like when I guess"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "when the light went off in my eyes he"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "understood that he could walk closer and"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "right after he put his hands out to me"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "and did that I lowered my shotgun. I"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "have heard this only from one other man"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "that had a similar encounter like mine"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "and he proceeded to walk towards me."}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "What bothered me later on in time a"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "after trying to uh figure out why me and"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "everything on this encounter it knew how"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "to approach me. Well, he proceeded to"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "walk towards me and as he walked towards"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "me, he took I call it ancient language"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "evolution. And if you look it up, you'll"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "see a lot of pictures of orangutang and"}, {"end": "00:53:58", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "stuff and they have like like their"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "their right arm, their fist closed,"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:58", "text": "their finger pointed out. And again, he"}, {"end": "00:54:04", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "he takes that finger and he points it"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "right to my chest. And then he takes it"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:04", "text": "and points it to his own chest. I take"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "that to mean that we were equal because"}, {"end": "00:54:13", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "he was he didn't point to himself first."}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "We were on even ground and he was giving"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:13", "text": "me respect and he would watch me to see"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "see what my reaction was. My shotgun is"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "is no longer going to be available to"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "me. He's he's closing that distance and"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "I'm feeling very comfortable. Very"}, {"end": "00:54:30", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "comfortable about it. Like this thing's"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "trying to communicate with me. As he"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:30", "text": "gets closer, he's going to give me"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "another hand signal, too. He has uh I"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "call it he has no food and he's looking"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "for food. And the way he does that is"}, {"end": "00:54:42", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "the same thing. elbows into his sides,"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "hands out in front of him, almost like"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:42", "text": "you're going to carry something about"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "that level, you know, from the waist up"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "just a tiny bit. Does the whole thing"}, {"end": "00:54:53", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "palms down, you know, evenly spaced"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "apart, palms up. I'm thinking, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:53", "text": "okay, he has no food. He's looking for"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "food. Now things are coming into"}, {"end": "00:55:01", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "perspective for me. Is he hunting the"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "same deer as me? Excuse me. And he was"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:01", "text": "probably set up on a pinch point, an"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "ambush himself. I can see a lot about"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "him. I'm taking it all in. From the 35"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "yd mark, it looked like that his hair"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "was black, very black. I couldn't really"}, {"end": "00:55:22", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "tell where that hair started and ended"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "on his face at that range. As he got"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:22", "text": "closer, I could see a lot better that"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "his skin tone, his his complexion there"}, {"end": "00:55:31", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "matched that hair very, very well. when"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "he got a lot closer, which I'll tell you"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:31", "text": "is uh I could tell that it wasn't black,"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "that the hair was actually a dark dark"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "dark dark brown. And the same with the"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "skin, it was more like, for a lack of"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "better description, more like uh"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "Jamaican, African-Amean"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "uh you know, it was uh kind of ashy. It"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "seemed like it would change. It would"}, {"end": "00:55:53", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "have had a bit of a sheen to it or"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "whatever. you know, it would be like a"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:53", "text": "black and then depending on that"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "sunlight that was glinting off of him in"}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "his hair. He did those hand signals on"}, {"end": "00:56:07", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "food, no food. And he got closer and he"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "gave me another hand signal again with"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:07", "text": "his right hand and he pointed over my"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "shoulder left, over my shoulder, right?"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "And I took that to mean like where did"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "you come from? Considering the fact is"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "when he was by that tree and he did a"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "double take on me, he was taken back by"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "looked like he was shocked. So, I'm"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "thinking where uh where did I come from?"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "Um during all of this, I got the idea"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "because he's getting closer that he's"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "going to want me to try to uh"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "communicate with him. The only thing"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "that I that I have to be able to"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "communicate with him is some of the"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "things that he did. You know, I don't"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "know why I didn't try speaking, but I"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "figured that the reason why he didn't"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "try speaking is because he already knew"}, {"end": "00:56:48", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "that I probably don't speak his"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "language. So, he's trying something very"}, {"end": "00:56:53", "start": "00:56:48", "text": "primitive that Native Americans would"}, {"end": "00:56:55", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "do. So, I'm also still doing that check"}, {"end": "00:56:58", "start": "00:56:53", "text": "on me. I had I had already checked. I"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:55", "text": "could smell my gun oil. Uh I did a"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:58", "text": "little puff of air out. I wanted to"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "check that wind direction again. It was"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "coming in over my right my right"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "shoulder. A plane went over my head. I"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "know it was headed towards Bradley"}, {"end": "00:57:10", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "International Airport. I checked my"}, {"end": "00:57:12", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "wristwatch. I don't know exactly what"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:10", "text": "time. I know it was about 10 or 11"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:12", "text": "minutes after the hour. That's all I"}, {"end": "00:57:21", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "remember on that. He approached even"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "closer and uh he stuck his hand out. I"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:21", "text": "used to say like five yards cuz I had a"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "real tough time with even getting this"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "this far in my encounter. He was"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "standing close enough that he could put"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "his hand out between the two of us. And"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "I had to look I had to look down right"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "down. His palm was right smack dab in"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "front of me. I stood below his shoulder"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "but just above his bicep. Where we have"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "hair on our arms. Exactly. He had hair"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "on his arms. Where we don't they don't."}, {"end": "00:57:56", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "It blends in so well the skin. The same"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "way with the face. Really human looking."}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:56", "text": "His hair is about 5 6 in long. First he"}, {"end": "00:58:06", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "had the brow ridge blue eyes. And uh the"}, {"end": "00:58:09", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "way I described them to Sabilla was"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:06", "text": "husky blue. Take a look at a husky's"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:09", "text": "eyes that are blue. You know, they're"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "they're they're prettier than ice blue."}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "They're they're magnificent. And that's"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "exactly what he had. And he he was"}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "checking me out this whole time, too. I"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "was checking him out. And some people"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "say, \"Well, are you sure that it was a"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "male?\" Well, believe me, I wasn't going"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "to check anything anything else out. He"}, {"end": "00:58:33", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "was checking me out. I I I didn't know"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "anything about them. I didn't definitely"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:33", "text": "didn't want him to get the wrong"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "impression. But at that range when he"}, {"end": "00:58:41", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "stuck his hand out, his palm up, I knew"}, {"end": "00:58:44", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "he wanted me to take a look at his hand."}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:41", "text": "And that's pretty close range. And and I"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:44", "text": "started getting a little concerned"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "there. So me having a a prior history of"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "being a fighter, I started dropping my"}, {"end": "00:58:55", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "hand down to my sidearm. And I know that"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "some people say, \"You can't have a"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:55", "text": "side.\" Yeah, guess what? If I'm going in"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "the woods on having a sidearm and I'm"}, {"end": "00:59:04", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "going to have a knife, I'm going to have"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "survival gear on me. I definitely have"}, {"end": "00:59:08", "start": "00:59:04", "text": "that on me. not to hunt with, but for"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "protection just in case something"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:08", "text": "happens to me. And I started dropping my"}, {"end": "00:59:15", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "hand, trying not to move my shoulder and"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "watching him and dropping my hand down"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:15", "text": "to my sidearm. My palm was just almost"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "getting a purchase. I could just feel my"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "palm touching the grip on my my sidearm."}, {"end": "00:59:31", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "It was a 9 mm. And he noticed the"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "movement. He looked at me and it was he"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:31", "text": "was not happy. and he took his left hand"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "and he"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "tapped his right hand, his palm. He"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "wanted me to look at his palm. So, I"}, {"end": "00:59:50", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "did. And uh I was able to look at it and"}, {"end": "00:59:53", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "suck it all in and looked just like our"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:50", "text": "palms. He had clean hands, clean"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:53", "text": "fingernails."}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "The the ironic thing was is that uh had"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "no lifeline. You know, when that was"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "fresh in my mind, that was one of the"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "things that I looked up. I wanted to be"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "able to remember everything that I had"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "seen that day and I looked it up as"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "quickly as I could because I know that"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "people forget a lot of things, you know,"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "had no lifeline. And that was pretty"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "much when uh he gave me another little"}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "look kind of like nod and I parlayed"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "some of that sign language back to him"}, {"end": "01:00:27", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "like uh you know, where did you come"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "from? And I don't have any food. and I"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:27", "text": "and do the one where, you know, I wanted"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "food. I just that was pretty much it"}, {"end": "01:00:37", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "right there. And when I did that over"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "his shoulders and stuff, um, that's when"}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:37", "text": "he decided that that was the end of the"}, {"end": "01:00:43", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "situation there and he looked at me,"}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "kind of nodded a little bit and he"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:43", "text": "looked kind of cornered towards that"}, {"end": "01:00:50", "start": "01:00:45", "text": "stonewall a little bit and he could see"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:47", "text": "over the stonewall. He was well above my"}, {"end": "01:00:55", "start": "01:00:50", "text": "head and he let out three whoops about a"}, {"end": "01:00:58", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "second and a half in between. And"}, {"end": "01:01:01", "start": "01:00:55", "text": "anybody who even shoots a gun regularly,"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:00:58", "text": "you you learn to count your ammo when"}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "you're shooting a gun, you know, and uh"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "if you're a musician, you learn you"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "learn the beats in your head. How many"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "beats are going on? You might not be"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "aware of it until afterwards. You can go"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "back and play the music in your head. It"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "was about a second half happened in"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "between each whoop. And then he looked"}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "back towards me, did the same thing"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "towards me again. And then he looked"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "back over that stone wall and he"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "whistled. And that whistle uh sound just"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "like a human being whistle and sound"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "just like the kind of whistle that we"}, {"end": "01:01:35", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "would use in our hunting party when we"}, {"end": "01:01:37", "start": "01:01:33", "text": "were trying to locate guys that were on"}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:35", "text": "on I call them drives. We weren't really"}, {"end": "01:01:42", "start": "01:01:37", "text": "driving, but we were we would spread"}, {"end": "01:01:44", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "out. we would have one one guy out on"}, {"end": "01:01:46", "start": "01:01:42", "text": "point and if he'd come across some good"}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:44", "text": "sign or anything like that, he'd just"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:46", "text": "give a little like that to to get"}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "somebody's attention to get him over if"}, {"end": "01:01:53", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "you need another hunter with you cuz you"}, {"end": "01:01:56", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "got something that's hot on the ground"}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:53", "text": "that's you know you know you're close by"}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:56", "text": "and you want to move in on it. So that's"}, {"end": "01:02:02", "start": "01:01:57", "text": "when everybody took that was that kind"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "of whistle looked at me and he gave an"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:02", "text": "arm signal to to whoever whatever was"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "set at Stonewall. It was he it was like"}, {"end": "01:02:12", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "uh go there or come on and he pointed"}, {"end": "01:02:15", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "back towards the area that he came from."}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:12", "text": "That was his intention. He basically"}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:15", "text": "looked at me like saying goodbye just"}, {"end": "01:02:23", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "bowed at head a little bit and he went"}, {"end": "01:02:25", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "off towards that tree past that tree. He"}, {"end": "01:02:27", "start": "01:02:23", "text": "didn't run. He wasn't jogging. It was"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:25", "text": "was just so fluid. It was just uh say"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:27", "text": "unbelievable. It was it was just very"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "very fluid."}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "and he went past that tree, probably get"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "out to about the 55 yard mark, maybe a"}, {"end": "01:02:42", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "little bit further than that. He turned"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "back towards me and that's when I could"}, {"end": "01:02:48", "start": "01:02:42", "text": "hear uh again like all heck break loose"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "on the other side of that stall wall."}, {"end": "01:02:54", "start": "01:02:48", "text": "But this was a little bit different."}, {"end": "01:02:56", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "That that noise did calm down about 3/4"}, {"end": "01:02:59", "start": "01:02:54", "text": "of the way through my encounter with"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:56", "text": "this being this forest person. Um, it"}, {"end": "01:03:03", "start": "01:02:59", "text": "was quiet over there and this kind of"}, {"end": "01:03:05", "start": "01:03:01", "text": "kicked it back up, ramped it up sort of"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:03", "text": "in a way because I could hear something"}, {"end": "01:03:08", "start": "01:03:05", "text": "coming in through the saplings and this"}, {"end": "01:03:10", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "thing was headed right towards Drake"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:08", "text": "Brook. I knew that it wasn't going to"}, {"end": "01:03:13", "start": "01:03:10", "text": "cross a stone wall near me. I knew it"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "was going to cross a little piece of the"}, {"end": "01:03:17", "start": "01:03:13", "text": "broken stone wall in the corner there"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "over the path and then have to cross"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:17", "text": "over Drake Brook to get to this one's"}, {"end": "01:03:25", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "location. And I it sound like a"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "rhinoceros coming through that that that"}, {"end": "01:03:29", "start": "01:03:25", "text": "that that uh those saplings like it was"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "tearing them. It sound like it was"}, {"end": "01:03:33", "start": "01:03:29", "text": "tearing them out of the ground, snapping"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "them or whatever. And that's when I"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:33", "text": "could pick up movement right when it"}, {"end": "01:03:38", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "crossed that broken part of that stall"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "in that path. I could pick up movement"}, {"end": "01:03:44", "start": "01:03:38", "text": "and I picked up uh some brown like a"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "cinnamon colored brown. Jumped the the"}, {"end": "01:03:49", "start": "01:03:44", "text": "brook area and it was headed right"}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "towards that that that big one that came"}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:49", "text": "over towards me and uh it was literally"}, {"end": "01:03:58", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "uh elbows and heels fast. I've shot deer"}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "on the run. I shot bird, whatever. This"}, {"end": "01:04:04", "start": "01:03:58", "text": "was extremely fast. and they got over"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "towards that uh big one there. And uh"}, {"end": "01:04:08", "start": "01:04:04", "text": "they were kind of kitty cornered towards"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "me, you know, facing kind of facing each"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:08", "text": "other but still towards my direction."}, {"end": "01:04:14", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "And they had a little conversation"}, {"end": "01:04:17", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "there. That's the best I can tell"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:14", "text": "people. You know, it was I never heard"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:17", "text": "this the the Sahara sounds the Ron"}, {"end": "01:04:23", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "Morhead tapes. But when I did hear them,"}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "I can tell you this. That's kind of what"}, {"end": "01:04:26", "start": "01:04:23", "text": "it sounded like. And people said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "why why doesn't it sound like exactly"}, {"end": "01:04:31", "start": "01:04:26", "text": "like the same that?\" Well, you know"}, {"end": "01:04:33", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "what? We're talking we're talking about,"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:31", "text": "you know, going and getting a pizza and"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:33", "text": "somebody else is talking about uh mowing"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "the lawn. Okay. It doesn't matter what"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "they're what both people are talking"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:41", "text": "about, they're going to sound different."}, {"end": "01:04:49", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "The the the the the amount of emotion"}, {"end": "01:04:51", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "that's going to be in it, you know, but"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:49", "text": "is it going to sound like the same"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:51", "text": "basically the same? Yes, that's what I"}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "heard. I heard the Sahara sounds. I"}, {"end": "01:04:59", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "heard what I would say that you people"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "would recognize as the chatter or you"}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:04:59", "text": "want to call it samurai chatter. They're"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "having their little conversation there."}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "Big one points directly at me. I hadn't"}, {"end": "01:05:09", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "moved. I hadn't moved an inch. I'm"}, {"end": "01:05:11", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "thinking the whole time saying to"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:09", "text": "myself, man, I don't know where they're"}, {"end": "01:05:16", "start": "01:05:11", "text": "going, you know, but I sure would like"}, {"end": "01:05:17", "start": "01:05:13", "text": "to to to learn more. I'd like to follow"}, {"end": "01:05:19", "start": "01:05:16", "text": "them, you know, and see where they're"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:17", "text": "going. Are they going up in a tree? They"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:19", "text": "going to go in a hole in the ground?"}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "They going to go in a cave and roll a"}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "boulder back in front of the cave? Where"}, {"end": "01:05:28", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "you going? You know, but uh this one"}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:26", "text": "pointed at me and that littleer one"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:28", "text": "which stood a little over the uh uh"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "shoulder of the big one. It was cinnamon"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "colored uh still, you know, a little bit"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "shorter than than the big one. And uh it"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "kind of put it head down a little bit to"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "look underneath this uh uh little branch"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "that was sticking out there and uh"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "spotted me and it looked back at the big"}, {"end": "01:05:50", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "one and it did it did a double take on"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "me. It couldn't believe I was there."}, {"end": "01:05:54", "start": "01:05:50", "text": "Now, I've had some people, you know,"}, {"end": "01:05:56", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "make comments on the podcast. Do you"}, {"end": "01:05:58", "start": "01:05:54", "text": "think that maybe what was going on is"}, {"end": "01:06:00", "start": "01:05:56", "text": "that the big one was like an alpha set"}, {"end": "01:06:02", "start": "01:05:58", "text": "up on that pinch point and it was"}, {"end": "01:06:04", "start": "01:06:00", "text": "chewing out the younger one. Like, how"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:02", "text": "the heck did this guy get there? And the"}, {"end": "01:06:09", "start": "01:06:04", "text": "younger one was probably going, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "what are you talking about? I I didn't"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:09", "text": "see anybody, you know, and well, you"}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "tell me what that is over there cuz I"}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "can tell you I walked over to it. That's"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:16", "text": "a human being with a shotgun.\" They're a"}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "lot smarter than we think they are."}, {"end": "01:06:24", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "Obviously, if they're they're uh they"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "have a language which is proven with"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:24", "text": "Scott Nelson, you know, they they are"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "able to access that 12th nerve in their"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "mouth and everything else. So anyways,"}, {"end": "01:06:38", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "it ratted me out and uh that's when the"}, {"end": "01:06:41", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "uh big one uh did that hand signal with"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:38", "text": "his finger pointed to the chest of that"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:41", "text": "littleer one and basically told him to"}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "do a flanking maneuver around me around"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "to my right, you know, way out and"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:48", "text": "around to my right and then he pointed"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "to himself. I don't know if he was doing"}, {"end": "01:06:56", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "that for me. He could have just easily"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "had told that one there or if it was"}, {"end": "01:07:01", "start": "01:06:56", "text": "also for me that he's going to go around"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "me to this side over here. They split"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:01", "text": "up. So now I'm thinking that this is my"}, {"end": "01:07:08", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "chance. You know, I'm very very"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "concerned at this point. You know, why"}, {"end": "01:07:12", "start": "01:07:08", "text": "they really did that. I don't have time"}, {"end": "01:07:14", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "to really contemplate it. I need to go"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:12", "text": "over to the tree where it was standing"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:14", "text": "and get a measurement where that piece"}, {"end": "01:07:20", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "of moss was. You know, up until I came"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "out with this, people were always"}, {"end": "01:07:26", "start": "01:07:20", "text": "saying, \"Well, they're 15t tall or 25 ft"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "tall.\" Really? How you measuring them?"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:26", "text": "You might be you might be surprised that"}, {"end": "01:07:31", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "that deer looks huge until you get up to"}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "it and then it looks more like a great"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:31", "text": "dane. Okay, distance is is funky in the"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "woods until you really learn how to get"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "out there and hunt. Everybody thinks"}, {"end": "01:07:43", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "that they can do it. Take a rock and"}, {"end": "01:07:45", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "throw a rock, practice in your yard, go"}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:43", "text": "out there. So I stood next to the tree."}, {"end": "01:07:49", "start": "01:07:45", "text": "I put my hand on top of my head and I"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "moved back just a little bit and then I"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:49", "text": "measured up from my hand using my finger"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "tip of your finger down to your first"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "first knuckle on there that's 1 in and I"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "meticulously went up that tree 7'8 in. I"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "figured that this person was north of"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "500 lb between 5 and 600. Some people"}, {"end": "01:08:11", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "say it was probably considering the"}, {"end": "01:08:14", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "shape that it was in it probably closer"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:11", "text": "to 600 lb. Could have even been heavier."}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:14", "text": "When I say it was in shape, I I'm saying"}, {"end": "01:08:21", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "that this thing was in absolute"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "unbelievable shape, you know,"}, {"end": "01:08:27", "start": "01:08:21", "text": "unbelievable. Could easily easily run"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "down a deer. Then I tried to look to see"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:27", "text": "where it it went through out to that"}, {"end": "01:08:34", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "that area where the two of them were"}, {"end": "01:08:36", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "standing. I could see impressions in the"}, {"end": "01:08:39", "start": "01:08:34", "text": "in the the foliage on the ground. There"}, {"end": "01:08:41", "start": "01:08:36", "text": "was like a a an area that would be a"}, {"end": "01:08:43", "start": "01:08:39", "text": "veral pool in the springtime. It was a"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:41", "text": "little bit of a null. I'm thinking that"}, {"end": "01:08:48", "start": "01:08:43", "text": "this thing was crawled up to that tree."}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "It's why I never seen it to begin with"}, {"end": "01:08:54", "start": "01:08:48", "text": "that it was getting itself set up on"}, {"end": "01:08:56", "start": "01:08:51", "text": "that pinch point on that ambush area and"}, {"end": "01:08:58", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "watching whatever the other ones that"}, {"end": "01:09:00", "start": "01:08:56", "text": "were on the other side of a stone wall,"}, {"end": "01:09:02", "start": "01:08:58", "text": "you know, directing them or whatever the"}, {"end": "01:09:04", "start": "01:09:00", "text": "case may be. But, uh, I could see where"}, {"end": "01:09:05", "start": "01:09:02", "text": "it was pushed down a little bit. No real"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:04", "text": "impression, but you can see where"}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:05", "text": "somebody goes through and just mats down"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "some foliage or whatever. And I decide,"}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:10", "text": "well, what I need to do is I need to"}, {"end": "01:09:19", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "correlate the stride with the height so"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:16", "text": "that I I can confirm the height. So, I"}, {"end": "01:09:25", "start": "01:09:19", "text": "tried to take a little jump, a tiny"}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "jump, stand still uh to to the track. I"}, {"end": "01:09:29", "start": "01:09:25", "text": "didn't make it. So, I moved back just a"}, {"end": "01:09:31", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "hair and jumped. I didn't make it. So, I"}, {"end": "01:09:33", "start": "01:09:29", "text": "moved back like two paces or so, very"}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:31", "text": "very short distance, and did like a"}, {"end": "01:09:37", "start": "01:09:33", "text": "little run kind of kind of like a really"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "quick step run and tried to jump into"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:37", "text": "it. And I still missed it. So I would"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "have to say I'm 6' three and yeah my"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "stride is a what roughly the average"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "human there at roughly my height is what"}, {"end": "01:09:53", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "3 feet stride and this was an absolute"}, {"end": "01:09:55", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "normal was not a running stride. So that"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:53", "text": "probably would have put that at around 8"}, {"end": "01:10:01", "start": "01:09:55", "text": "ft 7'8 to 8 ft tall. That's what I came"}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "up with. After that I I decided that uh"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:01", "text": "I'm going to leave the area. I got home"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "and I just didn't uh I didn't know who"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "to tell. I just started doing drawings"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:07", "text": "like I was on uh Encounters of the Third"}, {"end": "01:10:14", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "Kind, you know, caught myself in the"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "middle of it just tearing them up and"}, {"end": "01:10:17", "start": "01:10:14", "text": "crumpling them and throwing them in the"}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "trash. I said cuz I didn't want to"}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:17", "text": "forget any detail. I knew that there was"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "going to come a day that quite possibly"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "somebody was going to need to hear this."}, {"end": "01:10:30", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "You know, it it's nothing but a story"}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "until you start pulling it apart and"}, {"end": "01:10:36", "start": "01:10:30", "text": "looking at it. these things are are are"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "seriously very intelligent, you know,"}, {"end": "01:10:41", "start": "01:10:36", "text": "and that's my message to everybody to"}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "give that to them because um people out"}, {"end": "01:10:45", "start": "01:10:41", "text": "there want to say, \"Well, we need a DB.\""}, {"end": "01:10:47", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "You're right. We do because we're"}, {"end": "01:10:48", "start": "01:10:45", "text": "incapable of doing research properly. We"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:47", "text": "didn't learn it in school. We need all"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:48", "text": "the research right down to what were you"}, {"end": "01:10:53", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "wearing? Did you have any cologne on?"}, {"end": "01:10:55", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "Everything. What was going on that day?"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:53", "text": "Temperatures, all of that. You need all"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:55", "text": "of that. Okay? Otherwise, that's exactly"}, {"end": "01:11:03", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "what they're going to do. We find or I'm"}, {"end": "01:11:06", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "finding that there's an average of of uh"}, {"end": "01:11:08", "start": "01:11:03", "text": "three to four in a family unit. So,"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:06", "text": "let's take a look at that scientific"}, {"end": "01:11:11", "start": "01:11:08", "text": "evidence again with a DB. They need two"}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "of them. There goes there goes you're"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:11", "text": "you're you're killing something. You"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:13", "text": "hear people that are hunters come right"}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "out and say, \"I couldn't make the shot."}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "I couldn't shoot because it looked too"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "humanlike.\" It looked like if you look"}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "up solo me kind of like solo man like"}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "the missing link. And because you guys"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:26", "text": "made it this far into the episode, I"}, {"end": "01:11:33", "start": "01:11:28", "text": "want you to all comment below terrifying"}, {"end": "01:11:35", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "discovery. So that way I know who made"}, {"end": "01:11:37", "start": "01:11:33", "text": "it to the end and who didn't. And if you"}, {"end": "01:11:39", "start": "01:11:35", "text": "guys enjoy storytelling like this, where"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:37", "text": "we dive into strange cases of the"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:39", "text": "mysterious and supernatural, what are"}, {"end": "01:11:44", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "you waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"end": "01:11:47", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:44", "text": "content just like this. And as always,"}, {"end": "01:11:50", "start": "01:11:47", "text": "never forget, I love you all. Keep an"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "open mind, and I'll see you all in the"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:50", "text": "very next episode."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "We've got our field researcher, Frank,"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "checking out some recent activity near"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "the original sighting location. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "Frank, are you there?"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "Yeah, I'm here. Um, I just found"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "something really interesting. There's a"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "phone here and it still has signal. Wait"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "a minute. It's showing full bars on the"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "nation's largest 5G network. That's"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "actually perfect timing because Nitble"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "offers premium wireless starting at $15"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "a month."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Frank,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "oh no. Oh no. They're here, Josh. It"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "knows I switched to Mint Mobile. It"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "doesn't like that switching was"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "ridiculously easy and that I did it all"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "online in minutes with East. You know,"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "no stores, no salespeople, no hassle."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "It's mad that Mint Mobile has unlimited"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "talk and text and free calling to"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "Mexico, Canada, and the UK."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "Frank, what's going on?"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "It's right behind me."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "Well, just remember with Mint Mobile,"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "you get to choose your data. 5 GB, 15"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "GB, 20 GB, or unlimited. There's no"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "overpaying for features you don't need."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "Frank."}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "Frank."}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "Yes. I I I know he's dead and that"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "wasn't supposed to happen. Okay, look,"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "we we have a much bigger problem."}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "Insurance is going to be Oh."}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Um, hey,"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "Frank's Frank's fine. He's just um"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "Look, new customers can get their"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "premium wireless plans that start at 15"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "bucks a month at the link in the"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "description below. I mean, Frank didn't"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "die. He's"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "He's on vacation with great cell"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "coverage. And unfortunately,"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "I'm probably going to need a great"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "attorney."}]

[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Originally aired on Vic Kundiff's Dogman"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "Encounters Radio is an eyewitness"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "account so terrifying you'll be gripping"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "the edge of your seat. Tonight's episode"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "takes us through the story of Mandy, a"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "woman with a series of horrific"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "experiences and run-ins throughout her"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "life with something far more evil than"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "we could ever imagine. I'm Josh"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Ninocchio. This is what lurks beneath."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "You won't want to miss this one."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "In the spring of 1982, an average"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "American family moved into a beautiful"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "shotgunstyle home in Decar, Georgia,"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "which is right near Stone Mountain, an"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "area that is extremely wooded, dense"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "forest everywhere. The youngest of the"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "family was Mandy, who at the time was"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "only two. Her bedroom was upstairs and"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "it was the first room on the right when"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "you got to the top. And from her one"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "window in that room, she could look down"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "and see the front door and the driveway."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "So, she had a perfect view of anyone"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "coming to or leaving the house. The"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "other important member of Mandy's family"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "was their dog, Kio. Kio wasn't just a"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "regular house dog. He was a full-blooded"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "Alaskan malamute who had actually been"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "born on the same day as Mandy. His name"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "was an Indian name that meant protector,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "which would turn out to be pretty"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "fitting. Kio was already massive. When"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "he was fully grown, he was literally the"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "size of a black bear. When he would"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "stand up on his hind legs, he'd be"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "between 6'2 and 6'4. And Mandy could"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "actually ride him around like a horse."}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "That's just how big this dog was. And"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "him and Mandy were like this, man. They"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "were so connected. But, you know, he uh"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "he had some interesting habits. Like at"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "night, he would sneak out to go to the"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "nearby subdivision and steal tennis"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "balls from people's yards. But not just"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "any, he specifically liked the brand new"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "ones. And he also dug this big cooling"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "ditch right next to the foundation of"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "the house where he'd lie during the hot"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "days. Kio was incredibly protective of"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "Mandy. In fact, whenever the sun started"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "to set, if Mandy was still outside"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "playing, Kia would literally push her"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "with his massive head back toward the"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "house. Like, he didn't want her outside"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "after dark. Now, the backyard of their"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "house had a sliding glass door that led"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "out to it, and it was completely fenced"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "in. But within that fence, they had"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "built another fence specifically for"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "Kio, kind of like his own area. The rest"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "of the yard had a garden, a swing set,"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "and a patio. And if you look down the"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "hill from their backyard, you could see"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Mandy's aunt's house where her aunt"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "would watch Mandy's cousins while"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "working from home. So, now that we got"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "all the foundation of the story laid"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "out, it begins. One night when Mandy was"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "only two, when Mandy was asleep in her"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "bed, when she suddenly woke up to a"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "sound. It was the screen door downstairs"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "being jiggled like someone was trying to"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "open it, but couldn't quite figure out"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "how. And little Mandy, she sat up in her"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "bed listening and she's like, \"That's"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "weird. Who would be at our door this"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "late at night?\" And being curious, she"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "climbed out of her bed and made her way"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "out of the room to the top of the"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "stairs. And from there, she could hear"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "the screen door still being messed with."}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "So, she started making her way down the"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "stairs. And as she got about halfway"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "down, she could see through the window"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "at the front of the house, and there was"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "this large shadow moving past them. But"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "even from her low vantage point, she"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "could tell that whatever was creating"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "the shadow was huge. I mean, it was"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "blocking out most of the window as it"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "moved past. So, she continued down the"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "stairs, and when she got to the bottom,"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "she could see more clearly through the"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "front windows. Whatever this thing was,"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "it had moved from the front door area"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "and was now walking along the side of"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "the house, heading toward the back where"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "the sliding glass door was. Now, Mandy"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "wasn't really scared. She was just more"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "curious about what was happening. So,"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "she followed the path that the shadow"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "had taken, walking through her house"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "toward the back where the sliding glass"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "door was. And as she got closer to that"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "glass door, she could see that whatever"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "this thing was, it was now standing"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "right outside of it. Because the sliding"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "glass door was a standard door, I mean,"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "probably about 6 and 1/2 ft tall,"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "whatever it was was so tall that it had"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "to squat down to look through the glass."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "And when it squatted down, that's when"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "Mandy saw its face. It had these"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "yellowish glowing eyes that seemed to"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "pierce through the dark. And it had what"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "appeared to be a wild man made of hair"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "around its head and a muzzle that kind"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "of looked like a dog, but not quite. It"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "had these claws on its hands that were"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "just wrong. I mean, they were kind of"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "like hands, but not human hands. And as"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "it was there squatting, looking through"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "the glass door, it saw Mandy. And when"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "their eyes met, this thing kind of"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "grinned. Of course, not a friendly"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "smile, but this horrible predatory grin"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "that showed teeth that were just far too"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "sharp. She froze in complete terror,"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "just being maybe four or 5t away from"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "this thing, from the sliding glass door."}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "And as she watched, it reached out with"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "one of those long clawed hands, and"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "began grabbing the handle of the sliding"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "glass door. And folks, it started to"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "pull. And this thing pulled on the door"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "handle a few more times and thankfully"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "it was locked. And so after a few more"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "seconds of trying, it stood back to its"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "full height, which again was taller than"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "the door, and then disappeared off into"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "the night. Kio, her massive protector"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "dog, was outside in his doghouse. And"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "despite this thing being literally right"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "there in the backyard where Kio was, the"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "dog didn't make a sound. Mandy was so"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "terrified by this, she began sobbing and"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "ran to her parents' room. She burst"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "through their door crying and trying to"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "tell them about the monster outside."}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "\"The devil can't go and get me,\" she"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "kept saying. But of course, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "her parents woken up in the middle of"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "the night by their upset, sobbing"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "2-year-old just assumed she'd had a"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "nightmare. They comforted her, told her"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "it was just a bad dream, and eventually"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "got her back to sleep in their bed."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "Well, the next morning, Mandy's father"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "went outside to check around the house"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "just to put his daughter's mind at ease,"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "but he didn't find anything, which I"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "guess is a good thing. Even Kio seemed"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "completely normal, just lying in his"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "cooling ditch like any other day. And"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "you know, Mandy's parents, they wrote"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "the whole thing off as just this vivid"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "nightmare from their very imaginative"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "2-year-old daughter. But even Mandy at"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "that young age knew what she had seen"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "was real. that she had been wide awake"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "and she walked down the stairs and had"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "stood just four feet away from something"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "that, as she would learn later in life,"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "should not exist. Folks, this is just"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "the very beginning of a series of"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "horrific experiences because from that"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "night forward, Mandy began having the"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "exact same nightmare every single night"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "for years. Now, we're going to fast"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "forward to December of 1983. Mandy"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "turned 4 years old. But there was"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "something else special that was"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "happening. Not only was it her birthday,"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "and like any four-year-old, she was"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "excited about cake and a party and"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "presents, but on the day of her"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "birthday, something came on TV that"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "would change everything. If any of you"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "are out there that are this old, well,"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "you'll probably remember it and how big"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "of a deal it was. It was the world"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "premiere of Michael Jackson's Thriller"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "music video. Like I said, this was a"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "huge deal at the time. I mean, everyone"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "was talking about it and even Mandy's"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "family gathered around to watch it"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "together. So, all the kids were sitting"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "on the floor and the adults are kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "debating back and forth, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "should the kids actually see it? You"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "know, we heard there's a werewolf in it."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "Will it scare them? But eventually, it"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "was decided that the kids could watch"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "it. And so, Mandy, four years old,"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "sitting there on the floor with all her"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "family and the video comes on and, you"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "know, everybody's so excited about it."}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "And then Michael Jackson transforms into"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "the werewolf thing. And as soon as this"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "happens on screen, Mandy just loses it."}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "She starts screaming because while it"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "wasn't exactly what she had seen that"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "night when she was two, it was close"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "enough. And the devil cat looked just"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "like how he did, just bigger and a lot"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "more like an actual animal. Now, as"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "she's hysterical, her family's trying to"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "calm her down. Honey, it's just a music"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "video. It's not real. But she's"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "terrified. What was happening is that"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "her trauma was coming back to her. She"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "was reliving it. So, her family"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "completely writing her off, just sends"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "her off to her room, and you know, she"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "just spends the rest of the night"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "balling her eyes out. And even to this"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "day, whenever that song plays, she can't"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "do it. She has to leave. She can't hear"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "it. It still creeps her out. But things"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "got even worse because Mandy started"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "getting in trouble for always waking her"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "parents up. And the nightmares got so"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "bad that one night, and it's in the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "middle of the night, maybe 1 or 2 or 3"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "in the morning, Mandy's aunt comes up to"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "the house, and she had this necklace"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "that was supposedly going to make it all"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "go away. It was like a silver dollar"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "coin, but goldplated with an ornate"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "frame around it hanging on a chain. And"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "it was really heavy. you. They sat Mandy"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "down in her parents' bed, explained to"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "her that if she wore this magical"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "necklace every night, it would keep the"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "devil cat away. As long as she was"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "wearing it, it wouldn't get to her. Now,"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "she was only 4 years old, so she was"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "still very trusting of her parents. And"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "for a little while, it seemed to work."}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "She was like, \"Wow, finally, if she woke"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "up, it wasn't because of a nightmare."}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "She could look out the window or go"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "downstairs and see Kio laying in front"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "of the sliding glass door or, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "see him in the fence where his doghouse"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "was and then she could go back upstairs"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "and go to sleep and nobody even knew she"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "had gotten up. But the nightmares came"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "back and they were always the same. It"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "literally just replayed over and over"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "again. this poor girl. Except sometimes"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "in the nightmare it would be trying to"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "get in during the day. And sometimes the"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "nightmare was that it's trying to get in"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "and her mom is standing right there, but"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "she keeps turning around and saying,"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "\"Mandy, I don't see it. I don't see what"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "you're talking about.\" Even though it's"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "standing right there in front of her."}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "The older she got, the more her dreams"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "would involve her parents telling her"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "they didn't see it, even though it was"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "literally right there in front of them"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "or behind them. So after a while, the"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "only one Mandy really talked to was her"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "dog. She would tell Ke all about it. And"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "she would tell him, \"I know that you"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "know it was real because I know you saw"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "it, too.\" And usually when she would"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "talk to him about the devil cat, you"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "know, dogs and animals, they're so"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "perceptive to our emotions and the"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "things that we sense and feel. And you"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "know, Kio would just put his front legs"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "around her and he would actually wrap"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "his front paws around her legs like he"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "was holding her and letting her cry to"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "him. It was very, very sweet. And he"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "would sit like that with her when she"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "talked to him about what she had seen"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "because she knew that he had seen it"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "too. Well, about a year after some of"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "these terrifying encounters and had"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "become a regular part of this little"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "girl's life, her parents made a decision"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "that would change everything. They were"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "going to move. Mandy remembered going"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "around with her parents to look at"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "various different houses, and there was"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "this one place that had all the kids"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "really excited because it had a pool. I"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "mean, what kid doesn't dream of having"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "their own pool? And it also had a creek"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "running through the property which would"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "have been perfect for Kio. Now the thing"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "about Alaskan malamutes is obviously"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "because of the thickness of fur, they're"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "just built for cold weather. And in"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "Georgia it's pretty flipping hot. So"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "having a creek where this dog could cool"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "off would have been huge. But when they"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "went to look at the house, Mandy's mom"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "just got this really bad feeling. She"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "was convinced that someone had died"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "there. Even she told her husband that I"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "don't got a good feeling about this"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "place at all. So instead they found this"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "ranchstyle house down in Coington"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "towards Madison. And the place had tons"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "of acreage, beautiful hardwood trees, a"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "massive old barn on the property that"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "Mandy was creeped out by. And of course"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "there was a creek that ran along the"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "back. Now moving forward to the night"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "they moved in, Mandy was exhausted. It"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "was like 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning by"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "the time they were done moving"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "everything and she had just fallen"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "asleep in a chair in the living room"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "with a blanket while her parents were"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "still moving boxes around her. And she"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "remembered that right before she fell"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "asleep, she had this thought that made"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "her so happy. She's like, \"Thank God, no"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "more devil cat. That thing is nowhere"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "near me. I will never have to see that"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "thing again.\" And for the next few days,"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "she was happy. She was dancing around in"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "her bedroom overjoyed that she was so"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "far away from thing that had caused her"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "so many nightmares. The family"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "immediately got to work on the property."}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "They spent their weekends clearing out"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "parts of the woods, especially around"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "the barn. And Mandy really got to spend"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "a lot of this time with her dad. She"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "would take long walks through the woods."}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "And you know, her dad had this knack for"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "finding these fallen logs that were"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "positioned just right so you can stand"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "on them and kind of bounce. And this was"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "like the perfect playground for Mandy."}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "And one day, not too long after they'd"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "moved in, they were down at the creek"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "and Mandy playing around noticed"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "something. Right next to one of Kio's"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "massive paw prints was another print."}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "And this print was huge, even bigger"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "than Kio's. And remember, people thought"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "Kio was a bear. I mean, not literally,"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "but you guys get the point. And her"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "dad's like, \"Wow, that's really big.\""}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "And of course, he made the mistake of"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "saying that it's probably a bear. Now,"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "Mandy, you know, she'd always been told"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "that she was overdramatic and telling"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "someone who's overdramatic that there"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "might be a bear around is probably a bad"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "idea. And so, she's panicking and she's"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "like, \"Now I have to worry about being"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "attacked and eaten by a bear.\" But, of"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "course, her dad, you know, is trying to"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "backtrack. He's like, \"Well, you know,"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "maybe it's not a bear. Maybe it's a"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "mountain lion cuz we have those around"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "here.\" And obviously, that made it"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "worse. Now, she's thinking like, \"Oh, we"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "have mountain lions and cougars, too."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "The devil cat wasn't bad enough. Now I"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "have to worry about bears and mountain"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "lions.\" But of course, her dad's like,"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "\"Just stop being overdramatic. I'm sure"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "whatever it was was just passing through"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "the area. We're fine. It's probably gone"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "now. We're good.\" Now, I need to"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "describe the layout of this new house"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "because it's important for what happens"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "next. This ranch home was a singlestory"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "with a long driveway that wrapped around"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "to the side where there was a carport."}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "And when you walked into the side door,"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "you would entered into the kitchen and"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "dining area. Straight ahead was a half"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "wall that separated the kitchen from the"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "living room. And on the other side of"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "that was a sliding glass door that led"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "to a deck. Down the hallway, the"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "bedrooms were laid out with Mandy's room"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "at the very end of the left. Her room"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "was positioned so that when you walked"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "in, her bed had to go against the far"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "wall, and she had two windows, one at"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "the head of her bed and one at the foot."}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "These windows weren't low to the ground"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "either. I mean, even as a teenager at"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "5'2, she would have to had really to"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "pull herself up if she was trying to"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "climb in from the outside. But here's"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "another really important detail. Her"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "side of the house was heavily wooded."}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "The trees, I mean, we're talking like"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "were right there, maybe 10, 15 ft from"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "the house. So, while most of it was out"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "in the open, her room looked directly"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "into the woods. Now, you know, for a"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "while, everything was pretty fine,"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "right? She would play outside with Kio"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "and watch the sunset with him. Though"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "she did notice that sometimes when they"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "were outside together, Kio, you know,"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "would start pushing her back toward the"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "house. And she never really understood"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "why at the time. But then it started"}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "again. One night after dinner, after"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "taking a bath, Mandy was lying in bed"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "looking out at the stars and the moon"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "through her window. And she got that"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "feeling, that sick, cold, nauseating"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "feeling that something wasn't right. and"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "the hair on her arms and neck stood up"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "and you know she looked intently out the"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "window on the foot of her bed because"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "she felt like she was being watched and"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "that's when she saw them. Not animals or"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "things but these blue eyes reflecting"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "light. Her mind immediately went to"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "lightning bugs like they were emitting"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "light from the inside and they were"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "glowing blue and they were very high up"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "in the trees. And she tries to"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "rationalize it in her head as this is"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "happening. you know, maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "flashlights, maybe it's an owl, but"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "these eyes start to move closer from the"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "tree, and they're getting closer to her"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "window, and she starts to see what"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "they're attached to, and it's this"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "massive black shape. The fur was black,"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "but it looked like it had ash dusted on"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "top of it. And she was so petrified, she"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "just tried to make herself as small as"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "possible, as flat as possible against"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "her bed. She didn't even want to"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "breathe. Now, this thing was looking"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "directly in her window, and she realized"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "there were two of them, one at each"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "window. She got up, ran away her"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "parents, and of course, it was the same"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "response. They knew that this was"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "Mandy's MMO. There's nothing there."}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "You're having another nightmare. It's"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "just the Devil Cat dreams again. Please"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "stop with this. Do you stole that"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "necklace your aunt gave you? But, you"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "know, this time her dad had really been"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "getting into werewolf movies. This was"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "the mid80s. So, I mean, horror movies"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "were killing it at this time."}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "Specifically, the Howling movie series,"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "which if any of you are familiar with"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "are pretty well made for the time, and"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "they're terrifying. And during the day,"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "she felt safe. She figured these things"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "only came at night. And her parents told"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "her, you know, that if there really was"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "something out there, you're fine. Kia"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "would let them know. But even Mandy is"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "like, well, if he's smart, which I know"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "he is, he would pretend he's not there"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "either. He would make himself as small"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "as possible and just hope they don't see"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "him. And then her dad had what he"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "thought was a brilliant idea to keep her"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "in bed at night. And this is awful. One"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "night he was tucking her in and he flat"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "out told her, \"There's a werewolf that"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "lives underneath your bed. And if you"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "get out of your bed in the middle of the"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "night, it's going to get you. It's going"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "to attack you.\" And of course, telling"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "this to a young child who had already"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "had these horrific experiences is"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "probably the most sadistic thing you"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "could do. But, you know, completely"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "frightened and believing her dad, she's"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "like, \"Well, where where does it live?\""}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "And her father explained, \"There's a"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "trap door underneath your bed that led"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "underneath the house out to where this"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "thing lived.\" And if she needed to get"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "up to go to the bathroom, she would have"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "to make sure she had a good running"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "start and jump clear because it would"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "try to reach out and grab her. But if"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "she can make it to the door in time and"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "get it open before this thing got out"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "from under the bed, it would go back in"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "and she would be safe. And you could"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "imagine just how completely terrified"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "she was by her father telling her this."}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "So one night, Mandy decided she needed"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "to know what this werewolf that"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "supposedly lived under her bed actually"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "looked like. Her dad was in the living"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "room watching one of the Howling movies"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "he'd been getting into. And she figured"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "this was the chance. So she snuck out of"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "her room, crept down the hallway, and"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "she went through her dad's office,"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "circled around through the kitchen, and"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "positioned herself at the little doorway"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "where she could peek into the living"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "room without being seen. And when she"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "looked at the TV screen, she couldn't"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "believe it. The werewolf in the movie"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "was one of the most disturbing things"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "she'd ever witnessed. And as she was"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "watching her dad watching it, she just"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "gasped because while these creatures"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "didn't look exactly like the things that"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "came to her at the window, they were"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "similar. And so she started making her"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "way back down the hallway toward her"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "room. But when she got to her doorway"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "and put one foot inside, it suddenly hit"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "her. and she's like, \"How on earth am I"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "going to get back into my bed without"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "this thing grabbing me?\" So, she stepped"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "back out into the hallway. She thought"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "about it and then she's like, \"Okay, I'm"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "going to have a running start and jump"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "as far as I can and hopefully land"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "safely before anything could reach out"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "and grab my ankles.\" She backed up, took"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "a deep breath, and ran full speed toward"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "her bed, launching herself through the"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "air, and she landed on the bed and"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "immediately froze, waiting to see if"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "anything would grab her. Fortunately,"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "nothing did. But she was shaking. She"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "tried to be as quiet as possible and"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "didn't want to get in trouble for being"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "out of bed. I mean, she hated"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "disappointing her parents. She knew that"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "she was on her own to deal with this"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "stuff. And she really had no idea how"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "she eventually fell asleep that night."}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "Well, the next day comes and she's"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "outside singing and playing with Kio"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "near the old barn. And she was far"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "enough away from the house that she knew"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "nobody could hear her. She told Kio"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "everything. She told him about the"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "movie, about what her dad had said about"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "the werewolf under the bed, and how she"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "didn't know what to do now that they"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "wouldn't let him sleep in the house"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "anymore. She just sat down and Kio laid"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "down beside her and wrapping his front"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "paws around her the way he always did"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "when she was upset. She leaned back"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "against him and cried. It was a horrible"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "day. And she even remembers telling him,"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "\"It's just you and me. You know, these"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "things are here. I know these things are"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "here. I just don't know what we're going"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "to do about it.\" And this brings us to"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "August, right before school was about to"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "start. Mandy at this point was around 11"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "or 12 and her parents had set up a"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "hammock in the backyard. It was strung"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "between two trees, I mean maybe 15 or 20"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "ft from the glass door that led into the"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "house, and it was right near Kio's dog"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "house. It was a hot summer night. Mandy"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "decided she wanted to sleep outside in"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "the hammock. Her parents thought this"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "was fine. I mean, in fact, they decided"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "to sleep on the couches in the living"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "room with the doors unlocked so they"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "could hear her if she needed anything."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "So, she fell asleep, which was pretty"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "quick. The night was mostly peaceful."}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "Normal sounds of crickets and frogs from"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "the creek. But sometime in the middle of"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "the night, she woke up to the feeling of"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "breath on her neck. It was this hot, wet"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "breath and heavy, and it just it smelt"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "horrible. It was kind of like mildew and"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "wet dog and rotting meat. Now, still"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "being half asleep, she thought it was"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "Kio. And she's like, \"Man, my dog needs"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "a bath. He stinks.\" And so, being half"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "asleep, she started to turn over to her"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "right to push Kio away. And in that"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "moment, she heard something that turned"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "her to ice. From under the deck, right"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "where Kio usually liked to lie during"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "the day, came a low, rumbling growl,"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "which was obviously from Kio. So, she's"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "like, \"Okay, well, if Kio was under the"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "deck growling, then what was breathing"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "on my neck?\" Her eyes snapped fully open"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "and she realized he was indeed standing"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "rigid, every muscle tense, staring at"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "something right behind Mandy's head. And"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "this dog was trembling. Very slowly,"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "trying not to make any sudden movements."}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "Mandy turned her head to look behind"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "her. And there, less than a foot from"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "where her head had been resting, was one"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "of these things. This one was different,"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "though, from the one she'd seen as a"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "child. It didn't have the mane of hair"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "around its head, but it had the same"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "blue glowing eyes that she had been"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "seeing from her bedroom windows. And it"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "had one of its hands resting on the tree"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "right where her head had been with these"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "long fingers and a thumb that seemed to"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "be in the wrong position, like it was"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "doublejinted or something. It was just"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "standing there looking down at her with"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "these glowing blue eyes. And it did"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "something that made Mandy want to"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "scream. It smiled. Not a snarl or"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "bearing of teeth like an animal would"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "do, but an actual smile like it was"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "amused by her fear. Mandy did the only"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "thing she could think of. She rolled out"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "of the hammock, basically just let"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "herself fall into the ground, scrambled"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "to her sister, who had also been"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "sleeping outside nearby, and she shook"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "her sister awake and without explaining"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "anything, just said they needed to get"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "inside. Now, the two girls ran for the"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "glass door and Mandy could hear"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "something moving behind them, keeping"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "pace, but not quite chasing, like it was"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "following them, but wasn't in any hurry."}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "They burst through the door, and Mandy"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "immediately tried to lock it, but the"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "lock was this tiny, stupid, inadequate"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "thing, barely more than a simple latch."}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "And, you know, she stood there pressing"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "her back against the glass door when she"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "saw the thing walk up to the tree where"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "her hammock was strung. and it's just"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "stood there in the moonlight, one hand"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "still resting on the tree where her head"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "had been. And it just stared at her"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "through the glass door, the blue eyes,"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "never blinking, never looking away. And"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "during all of this commotion, you know,"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "she wakes up her father who was sleeping"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "on the couch and she's like, \"Look,"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "there's a werewolf outside.\" And of"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "course, you know, he he doesn't take her"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "seriously. He just tells her, \"No,"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "there's not. You're fine.\" But she's"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "like, \"Yeah, there is. Just look"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "outside. Look over by the hammock.\" goes"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "to look by the back door and Kia runs in"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "with a tennis ball in his mouth because"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "he had just come from one of their"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "neighbors yard. Seeing this and"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "downplaying his daughter's fear even"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "more, he's like, \"Look, see Kio's fine."}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "If there's anything wrong, he would let"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "us know, but still obviously very shaken"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "up from the events that had just"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "happened. She's thinking great. Now I"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "have to try and make it past the"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "werewolf underneath my bed.\" And she"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "asks her father, \"Dad, will you please"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "carry me?\" and he hesitated for a moment"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "because he was so tired, but he told"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "her, \"Yeah.\" And once he carried her to"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "the room, she was like, \"You know what?"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "It's time for me to get some answers.\""}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "And she looked at him and said, \"How"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "come the werewolf under my bed never"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "attacks you?\" And what does he do, guys?"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "Instead of comforting her, he makes it"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "worse. And he flat out tells her,"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "\"Because it only wants you. It's only"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "interested in you. It's only there for"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "you. It's special for you.\" And so after"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "her father left the room, Mandy was just"}, {"end": "00:26:11", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "lying in her bed. And it's one of those"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "situations where when you're really"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:11", "text": "scared, you realize you have to go to"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "the bathroom really bad. And she's"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "thinking, I need to pee, but supposedly"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "there's a werewolf underneath my bed"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "that's going to grab me if I try to get"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "out. And then there's these other two"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "that come to my windows at night. And so"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "she stayed there for hours laying in her"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "bed, not moving, desperately needing to"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "use the bathroom, but just being too"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "terrified to even shift her position."}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "Her mentality was that if I wait long"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "enough, the sun will come up and I'll be"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "safe. Maybe these things only come out"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "at night. And so after what felt like"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "forever, she decided she couldn't wait"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "any longer. She had to try to get up. So"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "very slowly, she started to move her leg"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "toward the edge of the bed. But the"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "moment she did, she saw them. The blue"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "eyes. They were right there at her"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "windows. And not just at one window,"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "there was a pair of these blue eyes at"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "the window by her head and another at"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "the window by her feet. She was"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "completely surrounded. And so she did"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "the only thing she could think to do."}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "She pressed herself as close to the wall"}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "as possible, trying to get as far away"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "from both edges of the bed as she could"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "because remember her father had told her"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "that if she got too close to the edge,"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "it would the thing under her bed would"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "grab her. But now she also had these"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "things watching her through the windows"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "and she doesn't remember how she"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "eventually fell asleep that night. But"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "somehow she did. And you know this was a"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "very pivotal part in the story for her"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "because she realized that she's"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "completely on her own. And when she woke"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "up the next morning, it was Sunday and"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "the very first thing she did was make a"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "decision that she was done. She was done"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "being afraid, done being vulnerable."}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "She's not waiting around for her parents"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "to protect her because they clearly"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "don't care and they don't believe her."}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "And so this little girl with all the"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "determination she could muster, she was"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "going to take control in the only way"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "she knew how. But first, she decided"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "that she would never sleep under sheets"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "and a comforter again. The logic was"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "that if something grabbed her, she"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "needed to be able to move quickly, not"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "be tangled up in bedding. So, she"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "grabbed her bed, which was a twin sized,"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "and she pushed and pulled and shoved"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "until she had moved it all the way"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "against the wall. The mattress was flush"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "on the one side and against the wall at"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "the head, which that way she figured at"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "least two sides were protected. Nothing"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "could come at her from those directions."}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "And she made another decision. She"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "wasn't going to ask for help anymore."}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "She realized something that no child"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "should have to realize, that she"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "couldn't trust her parents to keep her"}, {"end": "00:28:43", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "safe. And as sad as it is, her parents"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "would later make fun of her for this."}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:43", "text": "They'd tell her, you know, that she was"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "lazy and that she had moved her bed"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "against the wall and refused to use"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "proper bedding because she didn't want"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "to make her bed in the morning. But they"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "never asked her why she did it. They"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "never wondered what made a little girl"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "so desperate that she'd physically had"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "to rearrange her furniture and change"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "her sleeping habits. But for her, this"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "was a matter of surviving. And so she"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "began setting up what she called traps"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "in her room. You know, strategically"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "placing toys and clothes and books all"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "over the floor. and her parents would"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "just come in and complain that it looked"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "like a tornado had hit. But her thinking"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "was that this was a defense system. If"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "the werewolf under the bed tried to come"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "out or if the ones outside try to come"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "in, they would trip over all the stuff"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "and, you know, it would give her time to"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "get to the door. Well, luckily during"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "the day, she did her best to pretend"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "none of this was happening. She had a"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "special box that she kept hidden"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "outside, you know, tucked against one of"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "the oak trees near her dog, Kio's"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "homemade teepee dog house. It wasn't on"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "the side of the house where her bedroom"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "was. She made sure of that. Inside this"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "box were all her most treasured"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "possessions. There were special rocks"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "that she had collected, a dress that her"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "mom called her Little House in the"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "Prairie dress because it looked so"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "homely. But Mandy loved it. It was"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "comfortable. And she also had these"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "butterfly wings made from cutout"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "material with rubber bands at the ends"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "that would go around her wrists. And"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "when the wind blew really hard, she'd"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "put them on and pretend she could fly"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "away from all of her problems. Well, one"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "day when she went to check on this box,"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "it was gone. The little teepee sticks"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "had fallen over and the box had just"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "vanished. For the longest time, Andy"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "thought her parents must have found it"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "and thrown it away, thinking it was"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "trash. But years later, when people who"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "had heard her story reached out to her,"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "they suggested something that maybe"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "those things from the woods had taken"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "it. The hammock incident had been in"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "late August, and usually many didn't"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "start getting that creepy feeling of"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "being watched until a couple of weeks"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "into September. But this year was"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "different. This year, she'd seen those"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "things earlier in the fall than normal."}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "And then came Thanksgiving. Kio, Mandy's"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "family, was getting ready to drive to"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "her grandmother's house for the holiday."}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "And of course, Mandy had told Kio"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "everything. She'd expressed her horror"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "and grief to him about how that thing"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "had come right up to her hammock, had"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "breathed on her, and very likely touched"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "her. And looking back, Mandy thinks Kio"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "had just reached his limits. He wasn't"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "going to tolerate it anymore. It was"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "time for him to set some boundaries. And"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "so on Thanksgiving morning, Mandy woke"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "up to the most horrendous sound. It was"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "howling and moaning. But she knew Kio's"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "voice better than any other dogs. And so"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "she looked out her window and what she"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "saw made her take take off running down"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "the hallway screaming. Theo was crawling"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "out of the woodline on her side of the"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "house and there was blood everywhere."}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "Her parents had already gotten outside"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "and were trying to drag him toward the"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "carport and the whole time they just"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "kept saying he must have been hit by an"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "18-wheeler because nothing else could do"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "this much damage. But when they finally"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "got Kio close enough for Mandy to see"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "him clearly, she knew this wasn't from"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "any vehicle. Now, I'm going to tell some"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "of the details here, so if you don't"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "want to hear it, just skip past. But it"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "it is what it is. It's just a part of"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "the story. His right eye had been"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "completely ripped out. His face was torn"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "up so badly, she could barely recognize"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "him. And his jaw had been completely"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "ripped and dislocated and was just"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "hanging side to side. And his shoulder"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "was broken. His hip was broken. He had"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "gashes all over his body. There were so"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "many broken bones and so much blood. She"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "didn't know what to do. Mandy told her"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "parents that he'd been attacked, that"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "he'd come crawling out of the woods, but"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "they insisted. They insisted he'd been"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "hit by a truck, and they did the best"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "they could to doctor him up. But then"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "they said they'd tend to imp him"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "properly when they got back from"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah, they"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "literally just left him there and went"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "off to go have dinner with their family."}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "Of course, Mandy protested as much as"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "she possibly could, telling that, you"}, {"end": "00:32:44", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "know, we can't leave him. We can't leave"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "him. Her parents wouldn't listen. And"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:44", "text": "no, no matter how much she begged and"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "cried, they made her get in the car and"}, {"end": "00:32:53", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "leave Kio behind, bleeding and broken"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "while they went to celebrate"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "Thanksgiving. You know, even now as an"}, {"end": "00:33:00", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "adult, it took Mandy a long time to"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "forgive her parents for that because K"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:33:00", "text": "was the only one who protected her, who"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "who would even defend her, and they"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "wouldn't let her stay with them. As you"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "can imagine, she did not want to go see"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "family. She didn't care about anything"}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "other than staying with her dog in Casey"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "died. But thankfully, as a miracle,"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "somehow Kio didn't die. When they"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "finally got home, they took him to the"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "vet, and the vet did the best they could"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "to patch him up. And as Kio slowly"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "healed, Mandy still couldn't believe"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "he'd survived. Looking at the extent of"}, {"end": "00:33:29", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "his injuries, the dog shouldn't have"}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "been alive. I mean, if you had seen him"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "that Thanksgiving morning, you would"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "have said there was no chance he'd make"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "it. However, I guess this isn't much of"}, {"end": "00:33:38", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "a surprise, but he was not the same"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "after that. Due to the damage done to"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:38", "text": "his body, he couldn't walk properly"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "anymore. He couldn't play with his"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "tennis balls because he couldn't open"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "his jaw with it completely dislocating."}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "And he only had one eye now. And even"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "that was going blind because whatever"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "had happened to him, whoever had"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "attacked him had hit him so hard on the"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "side of his head that it had partially"}, {"end": "00:34:01", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "detached his retina. Mandy did"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "everything she could to spend as much"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:01", "text": "time with Kio as possible. She would"}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "just sit with him for hours petting his"}, {"end": "00:34:10", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "fur and talking to him like she always"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "had. But it was so heartbreaking for her"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:10", "text": "to watch him try to play. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "he just couldn't. He would just kind of"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "hobble over and even though his tail"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "would wag, he just couldn't do it. And"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "it's like almost overnight he had gone"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "from this powerful protector into what"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "looked like a very old dog. He walked so"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "slow now. You know, even walking for"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "this dog was painful. And even though he"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "could still see out of his left eye, the"}, {"end": "00:34:36", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "one that hadn't been ripped out, he was"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "going blind. And even at a young age,"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "Mandy understood that his days were"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "clearly numbered. Well, about 2 years"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "after this, maybe less, Mandy's parents"}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "sat her down and sat the siblings down"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "in the middle of summer and told them"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "they were getting divorced. This"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "obviously caused a lot of stress among"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "the children. And Mandy, of course,"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "tried to confide in Kio. And Mandy"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "recalls that when she had told Kio that,"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "it's like she could just see something"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "in him change, like the hope just drain"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "out of him and he just became this"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "profoundly sad creature for the next few"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "months. Then exactly 1 month after the"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "divorce announcement, something happened"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "that didn't make any sense. It was"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "around midnight, maybe 11 or 12, and"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "Mandy's dad was still at work. Kio,"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "despite barely being able to walk and"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "not being able to hold tennis balls, had"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "decided to go on uh what Mandy would"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "later call a tennis ball run. He had"}, {"end": "00:35:31", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "been trained his whole life that he"}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "could walk in the ditches beside the"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "road along the edge of the yard, but"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:33", "text": "never in the street. He knew this rule"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "and he'd followed it perfectly for"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "years. But on this night, a woman from"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "their subdivision was driving her car"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "and for some reason she went off the"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "road and she went straight into the"}, {"end": "00:35:50", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "ditch and the car just bounced along"}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "until it hit Kio. One of the neighbors"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:50", "text": "who knew it was their dog, you know,"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "called Mandy's mom and she jumped up"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "immediately. Mandy wanted to go with"}, {"end": "00:35:59", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "her, begged to go with her, but her mom"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "wouldn't let her. Her mom just ran out"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:59", "text": "the door and, you know, they called the"}, {"end": "00:36:07", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "vet and a decision had to be made. Kio"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "was in so much agony, hollering and"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "whining and crying. Mandy's mom did not"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "want her to see her or to see him like"}, {"end": "00:36:15", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "that. And she had to make a decision"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "right there that they're just going to"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "put him down. And so when her mom came"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "back to the house, she flat out told"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "Mandy that the vets's on their way and"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "we're going to put Kio down. And as you"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "can imagine, Mandy screaming, screaming,"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "\"Let me see my dog. I you can't do this."}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "You know, you can't kill him unless I"}, {"end": "00:36:32", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "see him.\" But her mom just like, you"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "know, you don't want to see him like"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "this. It's really bad. He's really bad"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "off. You don't want to see him like"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "this. And Mandy couldn't argue with"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "that. You know, her mom basically just"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "told her no. The vet came and took Kio"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "away and she never got to see Kio again."}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "And she wouldn't even let Mandy bury"}, {"end": "00:36:51", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "Kio. It was just a done deal. Now, if"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "any of you out there listening to this"}, {"end": "00:36:56", "start": "00:36:51", "text": "have had a remotely similar experience"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "as a child, you know how devastating"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:36:56", "text": "that could be. And uh this traumatized"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "her a lot like it would any children."}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "She just withdrew completely and that"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "became her coping mechanism. She"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "couldn't talk to anybody about what had"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "happened. You know, she'd lost her only"}, {"end": "00:37:13", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "friend, the only family member who had"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "ever really had time for her. And for"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:13", "text": "the rest of her life, she'd live in"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "various coping mechanisms. She'd try not"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "to think about it. She wouldn't talk"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "about Kio. Well, after going through all"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "of that trauma with losing Kio and, you"}, {"end": "00:37:27", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "know, dealing with her family's divorce,"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "Mandy eventually grew up from being a"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "girl to a full-grown woman and got"}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "married and started a family of her own."}, {"end": "00:37:35", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "She'd had four children with her"}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "husband, and they'd been looking for the"}, {"end": "00:37:39", "start": "00:37:35", "text": "perfect place to raise them. When their"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "kids were still young, they found a"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:39", "text": "property that immediately caught Manny's"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "attention. It had several acres of land"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "with a creek running through it and it"}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "was a gorgeous ranchstyle house where"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "all the bedrooms were together on one"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:49", "text": "side. Now, of course, the moment you"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "know Mandy saw it, she was like, \"This"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "is it. This is the house.\" Now, what she"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "didn't tell her husband or her kids at"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "the time was that this house gave her an"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "almost eerie sense of deja vu because it"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "was identical. It was almost the same"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "setup as her childhood home in Coington."}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "You know, the one where she'd seen all"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "those blue eyes and such. and you know"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "the same ranch style, the same layout,"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "everything. But you know, she took"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "comfort in the idea that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "those things were from her childhood."}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "They couldn't possibly follow her here."}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "And so, you know, after moving in,"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "everything about the new house was"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "perfect. I mean, it was kind of magical."}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "From day one, they had peacocks showing"}, {"end": "00:38:31", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "up on their property, beautiful birds"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "waking them up in the morning with their"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:31", "text": "calls, and you know, they'd be walking"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "around on the deck, sitting there on"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "their cars, just everywhere. It was just"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "a really, really cool piece of property."}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "Now, after living there for about 2"}, {"end": "00:38:45", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "years, things started to change. It was"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "during their last year at the house that"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:45", "text": "Mandy noticed a pack of coyotes had"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "moved into the area. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "initially the kids would watch them from"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "the windows and fascinated as these"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "coyotes tried to jump across the creek."}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "But even from their vantage point, they"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "could tell that these coyotes were"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "really big. But they didn't think too"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "much of it. It was just, you know,"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "another wildlife anomaly on their"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "property. And then one evening in the"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "fall, Mandy and the kids had just gotten"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "home from grocery shopping and they're"}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "all wearing their jackets. You know,"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "it's cold and they're about to bring the"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:14", "text": "groceries in. And Mandy's son does what"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "kids do. He runs over to the swing set"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "instead of helping with the groceries."}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "And where this swing set was positioned,"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "it was right at the edge of their"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "property where the woods began. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "like, you could literally reach out from"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "the swing and touch the trees. And the"}, {"end": "00:39:34", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "forest sloped down from there toward the"}, {"end": "00:39:36", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "creek. And the whole property was"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:34", "text": "surrounded by the thick woods on all"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:36", "text": "sides except for this tiny little"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "clearing where the house sat. Mandy's"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "standing there with all these grocery"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "bags and they suddenly hear howling. It"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "is the coyotes and they're yeping and"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "calling to each other. But Mandy could"}, {"end": "00:39:53", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "hear that mixed in with the coyote"}, {"end": "00:39:55", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "sounds there's something else. Something"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:53", "text": "that doesn't sound right and it's coming"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:55", "text": "from the same direction as the coyotes,"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "but it's different. And she immediately"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "yells at her son to get inside. She's"}, {"end": "00:40:04", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "like, \"Get your butt here. you're"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "supposed to be helping with groceries."}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:04", "text": "Don't you know there's coyotes out here?"}, {"end": "00:40:09", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "But you know, he wants to get a few more"}, {"end": "00:40:11", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "swings in like kids do. And that's when"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:09", "text": "Mandy notices the trees near the swing"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "set are starting to sway back and forth."}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "And obviously not from the wind, that"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "something big is moving through them."}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "And she sees it and this huge mass of"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "black moving from tree to tree. It's"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "massive. Way too big to be a coyote. At"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "this point, she loses it. She screams at"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "her son that he needs to listen right"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "now and get inside. This time he"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "listens. Mandy grabs the remaining"}, {"end": "00:40:39", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "groceries and she's like, there's no way"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "that she I can carry all of these. But"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:39", "text": "she understands that letting anyone come"}, {"end": "00:40:45", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "back out for groceries is just"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "non-negotiable. So she somehow"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "superwomans her way in the house with"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "all these groceries and the kids. And"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "once inside, she locks the door. And the"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "moment the door closes, she's hit with"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "this overwhelming feeling of dread. And"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "she realizes, \"Oh no, they haven't"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "bought any blinds for this house yet."}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "The entire house is covered in these"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "huge windows because she had"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "specifically wanted lots of natural"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "light. But now with every light on"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "inside the house, all she can see in the"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "windows is her own reflection. She can't"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "see out, but anything outside can"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "definitely see in. And so a few weeks"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "later, you know, they're coming home"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "from grocery shopping again. Same"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "scenario. It's getting dark. They're"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "unloading. But this time, one of her"}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "kids looks at the others and goes, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "do you see that?\" and they're all"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:27", "text": "looking down the biggest pathway through"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "the woods. Mandy and her husband had"}, {"end": "00:41:35", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "spent time clearing trails in their"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "property and walking across this path"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:35", "text": "are what the kids first think are"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "coyotes, but then they really look at"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "them and Mandy's like, \"Wow, those those"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "are huge.\" And one of the kids goes,"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "\"Mom, those aren't coyotes. They're like"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "four or five times bigger. Maybe they're"}, {"end": "00:41:53", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "wolves.\" And one of them is solid black"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "and absolutely massive, the biggest of"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:53", "text": "the group. And when Mandy sees it, she"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "realizes this must be what she saw that"}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "night by the swing set. The other one is"}, {"end": "00:42:03", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "more of a reddish brown color with some"}, {"end": "00:42:05", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "gray mixed in, but still way bigger than"}, {"end": "00:42:07", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "any coyote should be. And after they get"}, {"end": "00:42:09", "start": "00:42:05", "text": "inside, her husband just tries to"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:07", "text": "rationalize it. He's like, \"Are you sure"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:09", "text": "they weren't just large coyotes?\" But"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "all the kids are adamant. They watch"}, {"end": "00:42:16", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "these things the entire time they"}, {"end": "00:42:18", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "crossed through the clearing. These were"}, {"end": "00:42:20", "start": "00:42:16", "text": "not normal animals. Now, when they had"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:18", "text": "first moved into this house, one of"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:20", "text": "their neighbors had come over to"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "introduce himself. this old guy, pure"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "hillbilly, you know, the kind of guy who"}, {"end": "00:42:31", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "ate and hunted everything, including"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "snakes. And he shows up at their door"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:31", "text": "and he's literally using this massive"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "knife to scratch his beard while he's"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "talking. And his name was RC. And he"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "tells them, you know, I want you to know"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "that I'm going to be walking your"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "property. And then he's like, you know,"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "there's dangerous stuff out here. All"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "you have to do is scream my name. Just"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "scream RC and I'll come running. I'll"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "bring my gun, my knives, my machete, my"}, {"end": "00:42:54", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "dogs, you hauler, and I'm there. Now, of"}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "course, Manny just thought he was being"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:54", "text": "sweet and overprotective, but you know,"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:56", "text": "as she thought about this all these"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "years later, she wonders if he knew"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:43:00", "text": "something because he lived there for"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "over 40 years and he was very familiar"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "with that area of woods. And there were"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "even times where Mandy would sometimes"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "get up in the middle of the night to use"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "the bathroom and she'd get the feeling"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "that same feeling from her childhood of"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "being watched. You know, she'd look out"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "the window and see RC out there with his"}, {"end": "00:43:21", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "massive headlamp, like something you'd"}, {"end": "00:43:23", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "put on a truck, and he he'd just be"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:21", "text": "roaming through the woods with a machete"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:23", "text": "and a gun, telling his dogs to be quiet."}, {"end": "00:43:30", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "Thankfully, before things could really"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "escalate, Mandy never ended up seeing"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:30", "text": "one of these things staring at her"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "through the windows. They would end up"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "moving. So, after Mandy and her family"}, {"end": "00:43:40", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "moved away from that house with the 4"}, {"end": "00:43:42", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "acres in the creek, they settled into a"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:40", "text": "new place, and life was good. They even"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:42", "text": "had a baby, which brought some much"}, {"end": "00:43:48", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "needed joy after everything they'd been"}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:46", "text": "through. Mandy had always told herself"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:48", "text": "that werewolves didn't exist. She'd even"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "tested this theory when she was 10. You"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "know, she remembers sitting on her"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "bedroom floor with her whole little"}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "brigade of stuffed animals arranged for"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "her protection, and she had her dad's"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "flashlight in one hand and was"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "absolutely determined to catch this"}, {"end": "00:44:07", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "thing that had been terrorizing her."}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "She's like, \"You know what? I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:07", "text": "trap it. And as soon as it reaches out"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "from under my bed to grab me, I'm going"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "to prove to my parents that it's it's"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "real. But the night came, nothing"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "happened. And so the next morning, for"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "the first time in her life, she crawls"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "under her bed and she felt around with"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "her small hands, searching for the trap"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "door where this thing had been hiding,"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "but there wasn't one. Just dusty"}, {"end": "00:44:32", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "floorboards and lost toys. And at that"}, {"end": "00:44:34", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "age, she decided she was calling BS on"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:32", "text": "the whole thing. But now as an adult"}, {"end": "00:44:39", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "with children of her own, she just kept"}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "coming back to the same question that if"}, {"end": "00:44:43", "start": "00:44:39", "text": "were werewolves don't exist, then what"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "exactly had she been seeing all these"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:43", "text": "years? Well, now we're going to fast"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "forward to June 2018 when everything"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "changed. Manny and her family were"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "renting a house close to the Blue Ridge"}, {"end": "00:44:56", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "Mountains. Her kids were still talking"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "about those enormous coyotes they'd seen"}, {"end": "00:45:00", "start": "00:44:56", "text": "at the old house, the ones that were"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "four times the size. And Mandy did what"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:45:00", "text": "a lot of people do when they have"}, {"end": "00:45:05", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "questions. She went online. She began"}, {"end": "00:45:07", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "searching different terms trying to find"}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:05", "text": "any explanation for what her family had"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:07", "text": "witnessed. That's when she stumbled"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:09", "text": "across something called Dogman. Now,"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "there were many YouTube channels and"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "websites dedicated to this, but there"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "was only one that she could actually"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "bring herself to listen to, a show"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "hosted by someone named Vic Kundiff. And"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "she began binge listening to episode"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "after episode. Months and months of"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "research went into this, and she felt"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "like she had an answer. She couldn't"}, {"end": "00:45:34", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "keep this secret from her children"}, {"end": "00:45:36", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "anymore. They deserved to know what was"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:34", "text": "out there. So, one day, she sat them all"}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "down in the living room and her kids"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "could tell something serious was about"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "to happen. She took a deep breath and"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "started talking. She didn't exactly give"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "them every single little minute detail,"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "but she told them enough. She told them"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "about the things at the window when she"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "was little, the devil cat, about what"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "really happened to Kio, about why she'd"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "been so scared at the old house. And uh"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "you know when she was done she just said"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "if you want to listen to what I've been"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "researching I'll let you listen. But you"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "have to understand that once you do this"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "there's no going back. You just can't"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "pretend you don't know. Once you open"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "that can it's open. And as you can"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "imagine they all exchanged glances and"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "one by one they nodded. They wanted to"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "know too. And you know so they listened"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "to an episode together and when it was"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "over they didn't doubt her for a second."}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "They believed her because well she was"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "their mom and she had never lied to"}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "them. And Mandy was a huge advocate for"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "open, honest communication, no matter"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "how raw it needed to be. And that's how"}, {"end": "00:46:37", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "she raised them. But now came the tough"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "part. A few days go by and uh Manny's"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:37", "text": "husband was working from home and she"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "found him on his lunch break and asked"}, {"end": "00:46:43", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "if he had a few minutes to talk and he"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "said, \"Sure.\" And he's wondering what"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:43", "text": "she needs. And so she just takes a deep"}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "breath and flat out told him that she"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "had seen werewolves when she was young."}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "And he kind of just looks at her and"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "he's like, \"Okay.\" He wanted to know if"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "there was more to the story. She"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "explained that she just has this"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "deep-seated feeling that it isn't going"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "to be the last time that she'd have to"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "see something. And now he's interested."}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "And he asked her why she thought that."}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "And this is for her the perfect segue to"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "explain everything. The thing at the"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "window, Kio's attack, everything. Her"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "husband just laughed. And not in a mean"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "or mocking way, but with a contagious"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "laugh that could make anyone smile when"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "they were upset. And you know, I think"}, {"end": "00:47:24", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "he was just in disbelief at what he was"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "being told that he couldn't even imagine"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "this being real. And you know, he's"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "like, \"Okay, what what are we supposed"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "to do if we encounter one of these"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "things?\" And you know, she admitted that"}, {"end": "00:47:34", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "she didn't know. And she's like, \"You"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "know what? We need to talk about this.\""}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:34", "text": "And she's like, \"You know, everybody has"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "a plan for something. If there's a"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "tornado, you have a plan. You know, we"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "need to come up with a plan so that way"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "we know where to meet. We know what to"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "do. Like, we have to be ready.\" And so"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "she asked him, \"Can I be the one in"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "charge to to put this plan together?"}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "Would you follow my lead if I did?\" You"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "know, he just said yes because he"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "wouldn't know what to do in that event"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "either. As fantastical as all this"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "sounded, you know, his wife was very"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "genuine and very honest and he just"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "believed what she had to say. Now, this"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "takes us to September of 2018. Now, by"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "this point, Mandy had been listening to"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "dozens of episodes about this creature"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "and trying to understand what she had"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "been seeing since childhood. And as she"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "listened to story after story, there was"}, {"end": "00:48:20", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "a pattern emerging and it really made"}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "her stomach drop. It's like every"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:20", "text": "encounter happened in the same type of"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:22", "text": "location. Places where you had national"}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "parks or wildlife refues, places with"}, {"end": "00:48:31", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "bodies of water running through the"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "middle. I mean, it was like these things"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:31", "text": "used these corridors to move around"}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "undetected. She realized 6 months"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "earlier before she knew anything about"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "these patterns she had actually booked a"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "vacation rental for her family. They"}, {"end": "00:48:47", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "were going to spend 16 days in Hilton"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "Head, South Carolina. So, she pulled up"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:47", "text": "the address of the house they'd rented"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "and when she saw where it was located,"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "she couldn't believe what she had done."}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "The entire island was a wildlife refuge."}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "An hour away was the massive Savannah"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "Wildlife Refuge, and between them, there"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "was nothing but waterways and marshland."}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "And believe it or not, the specific"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "house she chosen out of hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "rentals on the island, she had picked"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "the one that sat right at the edge of"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "the refuge. The house was basically a"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "glass box. Massive windows on every"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "wall. There were no blinds, no curtains,"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "just sheets of glass separating her"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "family from the woods that started maybe"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "12 ft away from the walls. Well, when"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "she broke the news to her husband and"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "kids, you know, they laughed at first,"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "but they saw how serious she was. And"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "her husband's like, you know, what"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "should they do? And Manny just said they"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "needed to be very watchful and keep"}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "their eyes open because she had this"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "feeling like all these months of"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "research had been preparing her for"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "something. And, you know, come the time"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "for the actual event and the first week"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "was great. They went horseback riding,"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "they spent time at the beach, and they"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "got to live and act pretty touristy. And"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "you know, Mandy's daughter would"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "occasionally look back at her during"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "activities, checking to see if her mom"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "sensed anything wrong. But Mandy just"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "gave her the allcle signal. Everything"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "was fine. Then came the day they decided"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "to visit Savannah. Mandy was driving"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "with two of her kids and a friend, and"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "somehow her GPS directed them straight"}, {"end": "00:50:15", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "through the wildlife refuge. Now, as"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "soon as she saw the welcome sign, her"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:15", "text": "heart started racing. And she told"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "everyone in the car that if anything"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "stepped out near the road, she wasn't"}, {"end": "00:50:25", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "slowing down. The window stayed up."}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "Nobody touches the doors. We're just"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:25", "text": "going to drive. Fortunately, they made"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "it without incident and spent the day in"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "Savannah and started heading back as the"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "sun was setting. But somehow Mandy still"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "doesn't know how this happened, but the"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "GPS routed them through the refuge"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "again, this time in complete darkness,"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "and they were the only car on the road."}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "Well, the next night, Mandy came down"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "with a terrible migraine. So her husband"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "took the kids to the grocery store,"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "leaving just Mandy, her daughter, and"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "their friend at the house. And while she"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "slept, her daughter was sitting in the"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "living room reading when she got that"}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "feeling. The one Mandy had taught her"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "about the feeling of being watched. Even"}, {"end": "00:51:06", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "though she wanted to wake up her mom or"}, {"end": "00:51:08", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "their friend, they were both asleep. So"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:06", "text": "she just sat in the hallway outside"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:08", "text": "Mandy's door and prayed until their"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "friend woke up and kept her company."}, {"end": "00:51:17", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "Now, all these things lead up to days"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "later. Mandy found herself looking past"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:17", "text": "the pool into the woods. The treeine was"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "so close that she had that feeling"}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "again. You know, not quite being"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "watched, but something wasn't right,"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "that something was coming. Well, later"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "that night, after taking her friend"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "home, Mandy was driving back alone. The"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "roads were empty, and as she approached"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "a red light near the refuge, three deer"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "appeared on her right. But they weren't"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "looking at her. Their heads were up,"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "their ears were perked, staring at"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "something behind her in the woods. And"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "then they bolted, not toward the refuge,"}, {"end": "00:51:49", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "but away from it, back towards"}, {"end": "00:51:51", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "civilization. That creeped her out. When"}, {"end": "00:51:53", "start": "00:51:49", "text": "she finally got back to the house and"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:51", "text": "parked, her husband could tell something"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:53", "text": "was wrong. She told him she just wanted"}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "to go to bed to curl up and hide, but he"}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "wanted to talk and he was feeling really"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:59", "text": "insecure about being a good husband. You"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "know, he didn't feel like in that moment"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "he was listening enough and, you know,"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "taking her serious. And so, they went to"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "go to the kitchen to avoid waking the"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "sleeping baby at the time. And the"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "kitchen was actually part of a massive"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "open floor plan. Remember, there was no"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "walls, just one huge space with floor to"}, {"end": "00:52:21", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "ceiling windows overlooking the pool and"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "woods. And you know, as they stood there"}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:21", "text": "talking, Mandy noticed the pool light"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "had gone out because by this point, it"}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "was close to 11 p.m. And then, as her"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "husband was mid-sentence, Mandy felt it."}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:31", "text": "It was this kind of cold chill that"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "starts at the top of your head and runs"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "all the way to your feet. and she looks"}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "to her left through the wall of windows"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "and there they were, two bright blue"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "eyes glowing, staring directly at her."}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "They were the same eyes she'd seen as a"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "child, the same electric blue glow. But"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "this time, whatever they were attached"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "to was massive, more than 10 ft from the"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "glass. And even in dark, she could still"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "tell it was the biggest one she'd ever"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "seen. Now, all this is happening while"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "her and her husband were in"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "conversation. and she didn't want to"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "just tell her husband what she was"}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "seeing. She wanted to know if he could"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "see it, too. So, she's like, \"Wow, have"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "you ever noticed how blue the night"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "lights make everything look?\" And of"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "course, you know, her husband, still"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "facing her, had to turn to his right to"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "look at what she meant. You know, he"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "scanned the room and agreed. He's like,"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "\"Yeah, the blue lights did give"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "everything a blue tint.\" Um, but"}, {"end": "00:53:26", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "whatever, right? And he went on to keep"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "talking. He didn't see what she was"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:26", "text": "looking at. And, you know, this just"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "completely invalidated what she was"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "feeling and her heart sank. It was"}, {"end": "00:53:36", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "happening again just like when she was a"}, {"end": "00:53:38", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "child and her parents couldn't see what"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:36", "text": "was tormenting her. So she tried"}, {"end": "00:53:42", "start": "00:53:38", "text": "pointing to exactly where it was"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "standing. But her husband was confused"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:42", "text": "and he's like, \"Honey, I don't see"}, {"end": "00:53:48", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "anything. What are you looking at?\" And"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "so Mandy turns her body, looked directly"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:48", "text": "at where she knew this was and said"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "firmly, \"Open your eyes and look at me"}, {"end": "00:53:55", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "because I'm not going to be the only"}, {"end": "00:53:57", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "one.\" And the creature, which had"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:55", "text": "started to turn away, jerked its head"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:57", "text": "back around. Its eyes opened wide and it"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "pushed itself forward, taking a step"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "closer to the house. And that's when"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "Mandy saw something she never expected."}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "Her husband, the man who never got"}, {"end": "00:54:15", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "rattled, who was always this steady,"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "calm guy, started trembling. His entire"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "body shaking. His legs were shaking so"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "hard you could hear them. And when he"}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "tried to speak, his voice was shaking,"}, {"end": "00:54:26", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "too. And all he could get out and say"}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "was, \"Oh god, I see it.\" Whatever this"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:26", "text": "was was massive. The same black fur she"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "remembered, but bigger, broader, taller,"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "and the same blue eyes locked onto"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "Mandy, not her husband. It was there for"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "her. Mandy and her husband stood their"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "ground. Not knowing what else to do,"}, {"end": "00:54:44", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "they were of faith. They sang, they"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "prayed, they commanded it to leave in"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "the name of Jesus. And at one point,"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "when it took several steps closer, Mandy"}, {"end": "00:54:53", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "had had enough. She slammed her fist on"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "the counter and told it that it would"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:53", "text": "not come any closer to her children. If"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "anyone was going outside, it would be"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "her going to it, not it coming to them."}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "And as they watched, it began walking"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "backward into the treeine, never taking"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "its eyes off Mandy until it just"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "disappeared. So once it was gone, they"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "gathered all the children into one room,"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "turned on every outside light, and spent"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "the night talking about what had"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "happened. The next day, they debated"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "leaving, but Mandy felt certain that it"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "had gotten what it came for. To see her"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "face it, to see her refuse to be that"}, {"end": "00:55:27", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "terrified girl. They stayed, but Mandy"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "cleaned every door handle, every surface"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:27", "text": "with essential oils mixed with dirt,"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "trying to mask their scent. She even"}, {"end": "00:55:36", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "told the security officers what they'd"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "seen, leaving out just enough detail"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:36", "text": "that they wouldn't think she was crazy,"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "but giving them enough that they"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "understood something dangerous was in"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "the woods. And even for the rest of"}, {"end": "00:55:48", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "their stay, five officers would patrol"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "the property twice each night, walking"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:48", "text": "through the woods with flashlights. They"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "never saw anything, but they believed"}, {"end": "00:55:56", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "Mandy enough to keep coming back. And"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "even though Mandy had been singled out"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:56", "text": "again by these things, just like when"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "she was a child, this was different."}, {"end": "00:56:04", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "This time, she wasn't alone. Her husband"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "had seen it, too. Her family believed"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:04", "text": "her, and that made all the difference."}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "Now, as fantastical and as crazy as this"}, {"end": "00:56:16", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "story sounds, I highly recommend all of"}, {"end": "00:56:20", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "you go watch her original eyewitness"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:16", "text": "testimony. It is just phenomenal. This"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:20", "text": "poor woman is sobbing and crying"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "reliving this trauma. Uh it's just it's"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "incredibly powerful exactly what she"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "encountered in her life. You know what"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "was the devil cat? What were these"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "things? 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[{"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "We've been lied to. Ancient civilization"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "is not what you think. Beneath the ocean"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "surface lie impossible structures that"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "shouldn't exist, challenging everything"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "we know about human history. In 2001, a"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "Canadian marine engineer discovered"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "massive pyramid-like structures 600 m"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "underwater off the coast of Cuba, far"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "too deep for any known civilization to"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "have built them. A mysterious pyramid"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "found in an Ecuador cave bears the exact"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "same star pattern as Egypt's Great"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "Pyramids. This suggests an ancient"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "connection that spans continents and"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "defies our understanding of the past. In"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "this episode, I'm going to take you"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "through two cases that could potentially"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "prove advanced civilizations existed"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "long before recorded history. I'm Josh"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "Dinocchio. This is What Lurks Beneath."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "You won't want to miss this one. In the"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "summer of 2001, a Canadian marine"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "engineer named Paulina Zalitzky was in"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "front of a computer monitor aboard a"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "research vessel off the western coast of"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "Cuba. She was staring at sonar data that"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "her company, Advanced Digital"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "Communications, had been collecting as"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "part of a survey project near the"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "Guanahakabibes Peninsula. Paulina and"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "her husband Paul Winesweg had been hired"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "to map the ocean floor in the area. And"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "for weeks, they'd been methodically"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "scanning the seafloor with her side scan"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "sonar equipment. It was tedious work,"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "plain and simple. And most days, the"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "sonar just showed them exactly what they"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "expected to see, flat expanses of sand"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "and sediment, and maybe some rock"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "formations here and there. Nothing"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "particularly interesting. But as Paulina"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "was reviewing the latest batch of sonar"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "imagery, she noticed something that made"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "her lean forward. The sonar was picking"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "up what looked like geometric shapes on"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "the ocean floor. And we're not talking"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "just a few scattered anomalies. These"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "shapes covered a massive area, roughly"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "two square kilm. I mean, Pauline had"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "been doing this kind of work for years,"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "and so she knew that sonar could"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "sometimes create false images,"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "especially in areas with, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "unusual or complicated geology. And she"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "was also aware that the human brain has"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "a tendency to see patterns where none"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "exist. So, she initially just, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "dismissed it. And that was her first"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "instinct. But she was, of course,"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "intrigued. And so, you know, she kept"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "scrolling through the data and she kind"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "of started to see patterns and began to"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "realize that these weren't just random"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "formations that the shapes she was"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "seeing were too regular and too"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "organized. Now, what they looked like"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "was pyramids and there were these"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "rectangular blocks arranged in what"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "appeared to be a grid pattern of some"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "kind. Some of the structures were"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "massive and the sonar suggested they"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "could be up to 400 m long and 40 m high."}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "And of course, then there's the depth."}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "These formations were sitting at around"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "600 to 750 m below the surface. That's"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "well over 2,000 ft down, which is way"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "too deep for any known ancient"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "civilization to have built anything,"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "even during the Ice Age when the sea"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "levels were lower. Paulina quickly"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "called her husband over to look at the"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "screen and after he studied the images"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "for a long time without saying anything,"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "they kind of both just looked at each"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "other and they were thinking the same"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "thing that this this just can't be real,"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "that there had to be a logical"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "explanation. Well, over the next few"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "days, they went back over the same area"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "multiple times, scanning it from various"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "angles just to make sure that they"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "weren't crazy or that the sonar was"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "somehow acting up. And the sonar showed"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "the same thing. These massive geometric"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "structures sitting on the ocean floor in"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "perfect formation. They even detected"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "what looked like roads or corridors"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "connecting different parts of the site."}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "At this point, both of them knew they"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "had to investigate further. I mean, they"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "couldn't just file this away as an"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "interesting anomaly. If these structures"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "were actually artificial, I mean, if"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "somebody had actually built them, I"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "mean, it could completely rewrite human"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "history. So, they began making the"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "necessary preparations to return with"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "better equipment. They needed visual"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "confirmation of what the sonar was"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "showing them. They needed to see the"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "structures with their own eyes, or at"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "least through the eyes of a camera. Now,"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "a few months goes by, and we're now in"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "the summer of 2001. Both of them were"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "back at the site and this time they had"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "a remotely operated vehicle or otherwise"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "known as an ROV equipped with lights and"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "cameras that could descend to the ocean"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "floor and send back live video footage."}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "But as the ROV descended, everybody on"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "the boat was very tense. I mean, they"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "were just anticipating what they were"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "going to see. The sonar had been"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "compelling, but sonar diving can be"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "deceiving. The ROV had reached the"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "bottom and began moving across the"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "seafloor. And at first, all they could"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "see was just sand and sediment. You"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "know, exactly what you'd expect. But"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "then the cameras picked up something"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "else. Stone blocks. Massive blocks"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "measuring up to 2 to 5 m across. And"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "they weren't rough natural rocks either."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "They were they were smooth, light"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "colored, and carved into perfect"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "rectangular and circular shapes. Some"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "were even shaped like step pyramids. The"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "blocks were scattered across a broad"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "sandy plane, but you could still see the"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "patterns, the way they seemed to have"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "once fit together into larger"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "structures. They documented this for"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "hours. And at one point, a Cuban"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "archaeologist who was working with them"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "claimed he could see symbols and"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "inscriptions carved into some of the"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "stones. I mean, we're talking about"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "actual writing. By the time they pulled"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "the ROV back up, everybody on the boat"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "was in shock. This looked like the ruins"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "of an ancient city, a massive ancient"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "city that had somehow ended up on the"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "bottom of the ocean. Based on the style"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "of the structures and what they knew"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "about the sea level changes in the area,"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "they hypothesized that the site might be"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "around 6,000 years old, which could have"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "some connections to known cities in"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "Mesopotamia,"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "except this one was off the coast of"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "Cuba. in a part of the world where no"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "one had ever found evidence of such an"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "advanced ancient civilization. Around"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "this time, a very respected marine"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "geologist at the Cuban National Museum"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "named Manuel Italde Vignette pointed out"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "a major problem with the data. For"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "structures to end up 600 m underwater in"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "just 6,000 years, the seafloor would"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "have had to subside, a sink at an"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "impossible rate. And based on our"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "knowledge of tectonic activity in the"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "region, it would take at least 50,000"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "years for the seafloor to sink that"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "much. Another interesting piece to this"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "is that Paulina had originally reported"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "the blocks to be made of granite, but"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "there's no granite in western Cuba, and"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "the seafloor is mostly limestone and"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "sediment. So that would mean the nearest"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "source of granite is in central Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "which is hundreds of miles away. So then"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "you start asking, how would an ancient"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "civilization have transported massive"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "granite blocks across the ocean? But it"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "gets stranger, folks. Manuel's team went"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "to go investigate, and it just kept"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "getting weirder. They recovered samples"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "of volcanic rock and glass from the"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "area. And it's we should note right now"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "that glass only forms when lava is"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "exposed to air or water. But the thing"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "is, Cuba doesn't have any active"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "volcanoes. It never has, as far as we're"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "concerned. And as more people begin to"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "look at the data, people begin to grow"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "more skeptic. Robert Ballard, the famous"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "oceanographer who discovered the"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "Titanic, reviewed the findings himself"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "and said that he just he wasn't"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "convinced. His thing was that these are"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "probably just unusual geological"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "formations. Alistister Miller from the"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "British Geological Survey was even more"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "direct. He claimed that the 650 m of"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "subsidance in 6,000 years was"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "geologically implausible. But despite"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "any skepticism from professionals, there"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "was still a lot of interest in this"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "site. And by 2002, plans were being made"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "for a more thorough investigation. You"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "had the National Geographic Society"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "expressing interest in funding a manned"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "submersible expedition that would really"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "allow researchers to visit the site in"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "person. One of the world's most renowned"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "oceanographers, Dr. Sylvia Earl, was"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "involved in the preliminary discussions"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "and a dive was tenatively scheduled for"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "2003. Now, this right here would be the"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "definitive expedition, the one that"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "would finally determine whether these"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "structures were natural or artificial."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "The dive never happened. Imagine that. I"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "mean, there were funding problems and"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "logistical problems and technical"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "challenges, all of which just kept"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "pushing the date back and back and back."}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "And finally, in 2004, Zealitzki's team"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "tried to return to the site on their"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "own, but their submarine equipment"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "failed. They couldn't make it down to"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "the structures. And for some reason,"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "after that failed expedition, no one has"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "been back to properly investigate. No"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "independent scientific team has verified"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "the findings firsthand. And so over two"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "decades have now passed since, and"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "there's still really no peer-reviewed"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "publication about it. The Cuban"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "underwater city, if that's what it is,"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "has simply faded from any active"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "research into just a kind of"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "archaeological limbo. But let's be real"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "here. Why does any of this matter so"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "much? And why are scientists so"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "skeptical about the possibility of an"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "ancient underwater city off Cuba?"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "Modern-day science likes to hold on to"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "the idea that there is a logical"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "explanation for how these got here. In"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "fact, take the ruins of Dwarka off the"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "coast of Gujarat in India. Discovered"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "back in the 1980s, this place was really"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "only about under 20 m of water, give or"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "take. And it made perfect sense. sea"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "level changes could easily account for"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "it. Or another example is Pavlo Petri"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "off the coast of Greece, right? It was"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "this late Bronze Age town sitting in,"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "you know, roughly 5 m of water,"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "explainable by known sea level changes."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "And you know, even the more"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "controversial sites follow this sort of"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "pattern. A great example of this is the"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "Yonauni Monument off Japan's Ryuku"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "Islands and of course the Biminy Road in"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "the Bahamas. Now, all of these things I"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "just mentioned aren't exactly that deep,"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "but to have a Cuban city at, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "over 2,000 ft or roughly 750 m, that's"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "just we're going into just completely"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "different territory. I mean, for a city"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "to be built 600 m underwater, either it"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "was built by mermaids or something"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "catastrophic happened to sink it,"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "something that goes against everything"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "we know about the geology of the region."}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "An author by the name of Andrew Collins"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "theorized that the Cuban site might be"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "connected to Atlantis. I mean, after"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "all, Cuba is in the Atlantic, and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "not that far from the pillars of"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "Hercules that Plato himself had"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "mentioned. There's even an interesting"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "connection to mine mythology. You see,"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "the Maya and the Yucatech Maya have oral"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "traditions about an island homeland"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "called Atlanticu, which means the place"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "where our good father rests. Cuba is"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "only about 100 miles from the Yucatan"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "Peninsula anyway. So, could the Cuban"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "underwater structures be the source of"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "these legends? Who knows? A geologist by"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "the name of K. Fitzpatrick Matthews has"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "argued strongly against any Atlantis"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "connection, thinking it's just"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "completely preposterous. But Plato said"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "that Atlanta sank around 9,600 BC, which"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "is a long time. So, if Cuban structures"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "are from that time period, they would"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "predate the earliest known human"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "civilizations by thousands of years. And"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "I'm just speculating here, but maybe our"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "understanding of the region's geology is"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "all wrong. I mean, maybe there really"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "was some kind of mass tectonic event"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "that we just don't know about yet. Maybe"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "the Caribbean or Caribbean has a more"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "complex geological history than we could"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "have ever realized. But without proper"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "investigation, we're all just"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "speculating anyway. And that's honestly"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "the most frustrating part. Even now, at"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "the time of this video, in 2025, the"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "place remains unexplored, and its"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "origins remain a mystery. In the 1980s,"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "a team of explorers was deep in a cave"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "system in Ecuador when they made a"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "discovery that would change everything"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "we thought we knew about ancient"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "history. They were carefully making"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "their way through the dark, their"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "flashlights cutting through the shadows"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "when one of them noticed something"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "strange buried in the cave floor. It"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "wasn't natural rock formation. It was"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "clearly man-made. As they carefully"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "excavated the object, they realized they"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "were looking at a small stone pyramid"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "about 27 cm tall with 13 distinct steps"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "leading up to its apex. And at the very"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "top was an eye symbol staring back at"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "them. And when they turned the pyramid"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "over to examine the base, they found"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "something stranger. There was five dots"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "carefully carved into the stone arranged"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "in a very specific pattern. They brought"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "the artifact back to be studied. And"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "that's when things just got stranger."}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "When researchers looked at those five"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "dots on the base, they realized this"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "wasn't just random or by happen stance."}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "They matched the exact pattern of stars"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "in Orion's belt, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "constellation, including two smaller"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "stars that most people don't even know"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "exist. And when they had the inscription"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "on the pyramid translated,"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "it got to them. It read, \"The son of the"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "creator is coming.\" Finding a pyramid"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "with astronomical alignments in a cave"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "in Ecuador was bizarre enough. But what"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "made this even as crazy as this was is"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "that this exact same star pattern,"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "Orion's belt, shows up in the most"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "famous pyramids on Earth, which are"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "7,000 mi away in Egypt. And the"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "connection here, separated by oceans and"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "a lot of miles, could potentially be"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "evidence of something that mainstream"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "science and archaeology simply doesn't"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "want to accept. that folks, human"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "civilization is just far older than"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "we've been told. Now, bear with me here."}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "The Great Pyramids of Giza are"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "officially dated to around 2500 BC."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "Every textbook, documentary, every tour"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "guide will tell you the same story,"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "right? That the Great Pyramid was built"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "by the Pharaoh Kufu as his tomb,"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "constructed by armies of Egyptian"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "workers, you know, hauling massive stone"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "blocks up the ramp, yada yada yada. You"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "guys probably know the story. If not,"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "Google it. It's simply presented as"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "historical fact. Case closed. But guys,"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "there's a growing body of evidence that"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "suggests the story might be completely"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "wrong. In the 1990s, a researcher named"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "John Anthony West was studying the Great"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "Sphinx. You know, the massive statue"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "with a human head and lion's body that"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "sits near the pyramids. As he was"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "examining the walls of the enclosure"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "around it, he noticed something strange."}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "The rock showed clear signs of erosion,"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "but not the kind of erosion you'd expect"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "to see in the desert, you know, with"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "wind and sand. That the erosion patterns"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "were actually vertical, cutting deep"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "fissures straight down into the rock."}, {"end": "00:16:11", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "What does that mean? Well, Wes knew"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "enough about geology to recognize what"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:11", "text": "he was looking at. Folks, this was water"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "erosion. Specifically, it was the kind"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "of erosion caused by heavy prolonged"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "rainfall. But here's a huge problem,"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "right? Because Egypt has been a desert"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "for at least 5,000 years. So, for the"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "Sphinx to show this kind of water"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "erosion, it would have had to have been"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "exposed to centuries of torrential rain."}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "So, what the heck does that mean? Now,"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "I'm not an expert on Egypt's ancient"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "geology or anything like that, but the"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "last time supposedly it had that kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "climate was well over 7,000 years ago."}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "West was just as puzzled by this, so he"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "brought in a geologist from Boston"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "University named Robert Schnock to take"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "a look, and he confirmed it. The erosion"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "patterns on the Sphinx were definitely"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "caused by precipitation, not wind and"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "sand. This means that the Sphinx is"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "possibly older than 7,000 years, which"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "means that by the time the pharaohs come"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "around and all of that, it was already"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "ancient. But the Sphinx wasn't the only"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "problem with the official timeline. When"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "researchers began looking more closely"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "at the Great Pyramid, they found"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "something equally troubling. Embedded in"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "the masonry, several meters up from the"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "base were seashells. Not fossil shells"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "from when the limestone was formed. all"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "this time ago, but relatively recent"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "shells that had been deposited by ocean"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "water. Now, how the heck does that"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "happen? For those shells to have been"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "where they are, sea levels would have"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "had to be dramatically higher than they"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "are today. High enough that ocean waves"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "were crashing against a pyramid several"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "meters up its size. Well, according to"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "geologists, the last time the sea level"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "was that high was around 10,000 years"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "ago at the end of the last ice age when"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "glaciers were melting and flooding the"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "world's coastlines. And when you go"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "inside the Great Pyramid into the King's"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "Chamber where Kufu's mummy was"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "supposedly laid to rest, you don't find"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "anything inscriptions. There's no"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "decorations. Everything is just bare."}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "This is bizarre because every other"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "royal Egyptian tomb is covered in"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "religious text meant to guide the"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "pharaoh into the afterlife. So what"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "gives? The ancient Egyptians were"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "obsessed with decorating the place. But"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "the great pyramid, which is supposedly"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "the greatest tomb ever built, doesn't"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "have anything. It's as if it was built"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "for a completely different purpose. The"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "only evidence even linking this pyramid"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "to Kufu at all is a single cart, which"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "is a royal name seal found in a small"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "chamber above the king's chamber. But"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "wait, the plot continues to thicken."}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "This cartou was discovered in 1837 by a"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "British colonel named Howard Vice, who"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "was under enormous pressure to make a"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "major discovery. And some researchers,"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "including the famous Zachariah Sitchin,"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "have alleged that he, you know, kind of"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "faked it, painting it himself just so he"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "could secure his place in history and,"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "you know, meet his uh discovery quota."}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "Now, whether it's fake or not, it's"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "literally the only thing in the entire"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "pyramid with Kufu's name on it. No"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "statues of Kufu have ever been found in"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "or near the pyramid, and no contemporary"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "records describe its construction. Now,"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "I don't know about you guys, but doesn't"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "that just come off as odd? For the"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "largest building project in human"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "history, I mean, supposedly employing"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "hundreds of thousands of workers over"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "decades, there's just virtually no"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "evidence it even happened. Isn't that"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "weird? But if the pyramids weren't built"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "by the pharaohs 4,500 years ago, then"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "who the heck built them and when? Well,"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "we should first go back because there's"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "an ancient Egyptian document called the"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "Turan King List and that records all the"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "rulers of Egypt going back to the very"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "beginning. And many modern historians"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "are comfortable with the part of the"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "list that starts around 3000 BC with the"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "first human pharaohs. They completely"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "ignore the first part. According to the"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "Egyptians own records, before the human"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "pharaohs, Egypt was ruled by gods and"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "demigods for well over 30,000 years. The"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "list then describes an era of 10 god"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "kings beginning in 36,620"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "BC. These weren't considered"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "mythological figures, by the way. The"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "way it was written and recorded, they"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "were referring to physical actual rulers"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "with specific reign lengths. The"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "Egyptians themselves believed their"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "civilization was founded by these divine"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "beings who they called the Shamsu"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "or followers of Horus. Now just on that"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "information alone, there is so much I"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "can get into with you guys about my"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "personal beliefs and how this"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "corresponds to everything else. But for"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "the sake of length and context, I'm just"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "going to stick to where we're going."}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "Now, there's another ancient source that"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "might tell us what happened to this lost"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "civilization. The famous Greek"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "philosopher Plato wrote about an"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "advanced civilization called Atlantis"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "that was destroyed in a great cataclysm."}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "According to Plato, who said he got this"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "story from Egyptian priest, Atlantis was"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "a powerful maritime empire existing"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "9,000 years before his time. Well, then"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "that would put its destruction closer to"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "12,000 years ago. For centuries,"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "Atlantis was simply dismissed as a myth,"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "right? But in 1882, a researcher named"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "Ignatius Donnelly published a book"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "called Atlantis, the Anti-Doluvian"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "World, and he pointed something out"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "interesting. Flood myths exist in"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "cultures all around the world, from"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "Noah's arc in the Bible to similar"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "stories in Mesopotamia, India, and the"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "Americas. What if they're all describing"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "the same event? What if there really was"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "a global catastrophe that wiped out an"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "advanced civilization? I mean, in recent"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "decades, this idea has gained more"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "credibility thanks to geological"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "evidence. Scientists now know that"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "between roughly 10,800 to, you know,"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "9,600,"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "Earth went through a period called the"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "Younger Dryus, which is a sudden and"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "catastrophic return to ice age"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "conditions that lasted over a thousand"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "years. The cause, of course, is still"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "debated, but they believe that it was"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "triggered by a comet that somehow"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "destabilized the climate and caused"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "massive flooding as ice sheets melted,"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "which to make matters even stranger,"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "this isn't just like somebody pulled it"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "out of their butt, you know, and gave us"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "this time. Interestingly, Plato also"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "said Atlantis was destroyed around the"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "same time. And this is all exactly when"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "those shells, you know, the sea shells"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "suggest the Great Pyramid was being"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "battered by ocean waves. So, of course,"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "this is all just wild speculation anyway"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "because none of us really know, but it"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "is fun to talk about. Now, I've been"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "talking your ear off for quite a while"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "now, but the most stunning piece of"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "evidence for a lost ancient civilization"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "actually doesn't come from Egypt. It"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "actually comes from Turkey at a site you"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "might know called Gobec Leepe."}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "discovered back in the 90s. This place"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "consists of massive stone circles. You"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "know, there's intricately carved"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "pillars. It's clearly the work of a very"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "sophisticated culture with advanced"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "knowledge of engineering and astronomy."}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "And here's the mind-blowing part. This"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "has been dated back to around 12,000"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "years ago, which is 7,000 years before"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "the supposed invention of agriculture,"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "8,000 years before the wheel, and 9,000"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "before the first cities. Now, according"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "to mainstream history, the people who"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "built this should have been primitive"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "hunter gatherers living in caves, you"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "know, ooh ooh uh yet they somehow"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "organized the labor and possessed"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "advanced knowledge to build complex"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "megalithic sites. Somebody called"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "Timothy Alberino. I'm getting into his"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "territory here. Now, it doesn't end here"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "because all around the world, there are"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "pyramid structures that challenge our"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "conventional timeline. Like in Bosnia,"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "there is supposedly hills that are"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "actually like 25,000y old pyramids. And"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "in Indonesia, the site of the Ganung"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "Padang, I hope I'm saying that right,"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "might conceal a pyramid dating back"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "20,000 years. Near Japan, there are"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "underwater structures off Yunauni Island"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "which show what appear to be carved"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "terraces and pyramids that would have"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "been above water over 10,000 years ago."}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "And pyramids themselves, they exist in"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "Egypt, Sudan, Mesopotamia, India. Gosh,"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "I mean there's Southeast Asia, China,"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "Mexico, Peru, and even North America."}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "Now, of course, conventional"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "explanations are that these are all just"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "cultures independently deciding to build"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "pyramids. But what if they're copying"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "something much older? What if they're"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "all trying to recreate monuments built"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "by a lost civilization? Another very"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "fascinating aspect of all of this is the"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "Great Pyramid being aligned to true"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "north with an accuracy of just like I"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "think it's like 0.05 05\u00b0, which is more"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "precise than we can achieve today"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "without GPS, and it's located almost"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "exactly 30\u00b0 north latitude. Without"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "throwing too much technical jargon at"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "you, all of this means that there was"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "advanced mathematical relationships"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "going on. Jumping ahead to 1989, a"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "Belgian engineer named Robert Baval"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "noticed something while looking at the"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "pyramids from above. The three main"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "pyramids of Giza, the smallest is offset"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "to the side. And he realized this offset"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "exactly matches the arrangement of the"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "three stars in Orion's belt. So, we're"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "going to go all the way back to the"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "pyramid found in Ecuador. You probably"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "thought we forgot all about that, didn't"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "you? So, here was the same star pattern"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "encoded in massive monuments on the"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "other side of the world. And this, of"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "course, led him down a rabbit hole,"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "right? Working with researcher Adrien"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "Gilbert, he found that the entire Giza"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "complex might be a map of the heavens."}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "The Nile River corresponds to the Milky"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "Way. The pyramids mark Orion's belt. And"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "the shafts inside the Great Pyramid,"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "which Egyptologists claimed were just"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "ventilation, actually point directly at"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "specific stars. And we're just going to"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "keep getting stranger because due to a"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "phenomenon called precession, the stars"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "slowly shift position in the sky over"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "thousands of years. Beval calculated"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "when the pyramids would have perfectly"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "matched Orion's belts. Folks, the answer"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "is 10,450"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "BC. At that exact time, something else"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "significant was happening in the sky."}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "The constellation Leo was rising due"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "east at dawn on the spring equinox. And"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "what guardian statue faces Dist Giza?"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "The Sphinx with its lion's body."}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "Everything points to the same date"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "around 10,000 BC or excuse me 10,500 BC."}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "The water erosion, the shells, the"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "astronomical alignments, the destruction"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "of Atlantis, the younger dus"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "catastrophe. I mean, it just all"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "converges on this one moment in time. So"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "again, you know, we're all just"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "speculating. But if all of this was"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "true, then what were the pyramids for?"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "Well, in 1998, engineer Christopher Dunn"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "published a book called the Giza Power"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "Plant with a radical theory. I mean, the"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "book title kind of gave it away, but he"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "pointed out that the Great Pyramid"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "contains features that make no sense for"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "a tomb, but perfect sense for a machine."}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "The precision cut granite boxes, the"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "acoustic properties of the chambers, the"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "chemical residues found on the walls. I"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "mean, folks, when you stand in the"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "king's chamber and hum or chant a"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "certain frequency, the entire chamber"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "resonates. The granite actually"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "vibrates. Dun proposed that the pyramid"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "was designed to harness and focus"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "Earth's natural vibration, get this,"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "into usable energy. It was his claim"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "that this, folks, was an ancient power"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "plant of some kind. I get it. I know it"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "sounds like pure science fiction."}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "Consider this. In the 1880s,"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "archaeologist Flenders Petri found"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "evidence that the ancient Egyptians had"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "drilled through solid granite with tools"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "that cut faster than modern diamond"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "tipped drills. The precision of the cuts"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "suggests they had access to advanced"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "technology that we simply can't"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "replicate today. And then in the 1960s,"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "you had author Eric von Danakin, I hope"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "I'm saying that, popularizing the idea"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "that the pyramids were built with"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "extraterrestrial help, pointing to"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "ancient texts describing gods coming"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "from the sky and teaching humans"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "advanced knowledge. I mean, there's even"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "texts that talk about the god Thoth,"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "giving humans writing, mathematics,"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "engineering, and there's similar stories"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "existing worldwide, right? You had the"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "Samrians and the Anunnaki. The Indians"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "had the Vimmanas. Look, we could go on"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "and on and on, but all I'm trying to say"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "is that we're coming to a point where we"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "might just need to accept that human"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "civilization might be far older than we"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "ever thought possible. That there might"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "have been advanced cultures that were"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "wiped out by catastrophe, leaving only"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "their monuments as proof they ever"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "existed. Now, supposedly there are"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "people that claim the Egyptian"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "government is well aware of what's"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "underneath the pyramids and all of that,"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "and they strictly forbid people going"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "down there and investigating for fear"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "that they would damage the monument. But"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "they're really just trying to keep, you"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "know, the secrets from getting out. But,"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "of course, we don't know. But if that"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "was the case and we could discover"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "these, well, it would clearly rewrite"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "human history. Since you've made it this"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "far in the video, you're clearly very"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "interested in this topic. So, with that"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "said, I'm going to keep going. In 2017,"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "scientists used cosmic ray imaging to"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "scan the Great Pyramid and discovered a"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "massive void inside that no one knew"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "existed. It's at least 30 m long and"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "located above the Grand Gallery. And"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "after 4,500 years, we're still finding"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "hidden chambers in these monuments. So,"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "what else might be concealed? Just look"}, {"end": "00:30:26", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "at medieval Arabic sources. In the 15th"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "century, a historian wrote that the"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:26", "text": "pyramids were built before the great"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "flood by a king named Saradn Saluk. He"}, {"end": "00:30:36", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "was warned in a dream that a catastrophe"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "was coming. And he identified with the"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:36", "text": "biblical Enoch or the Islamic prophet"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "Idris, figures who were taken up to"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "heaven and given divine knowledge."}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "Folks, these aren't just primitive"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "myths. their cultural memories of real"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "events distorted by time but preserving"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "essential truths. I'm not going to go"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "rounds and rounds, but you get the idea."}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "It's the same story told again and again"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "and again around the world, all pointing"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "to one conclusion. The evidence"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "continues to mount. Researcher Joseph"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "David Dovitz, who had analyzed the"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "pyramid blocks, found evidence they"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "might be cast geopolymer concrete, not"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "carved stone. And if true, this would"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "explain how ancient builders moved 70"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "ton blocks. They didn't. They cast them"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "in place using advanced chemistry. Even"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "Graham Hancock, building on decades of"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "research, proposed that the survivors of"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "the lost civilization spread around the"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "world, teaching prunive people's"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "agriculture, astronomy, and engineering,"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "which would explain why pyramids appear"}, {"end": "00:31:48", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "on every continent, why flood myths are"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "universal, and why ancient cultures"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:48", "text": "worldwide spoke of gods who brought"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "knowledge. The implications, of course,"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "are staggering. Because if this is true,"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "everything we know is wrong."}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "Civilization is far older than we can"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "understand, and we're just now beginning"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "to fully understand the cycles."}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "Unfortunately, even if we ever come in"}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "possession of the absolute truth in some"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "way, shape, or form, we'll probably"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "never know for sure. That's kind of an"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "oxymoron, isn't it, folks? It remains a"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "mystery. And because you guys made it"}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "this far, which congrats because this"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "was a long episode, I want you to"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "comment below ancient depths. So that"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:27", "text": "way I know who made it to the end of the"}, {"end": "00:32:32", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "episode and who didn't. And if you guys"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "enjoy content like this where we deep"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "dive into strange cases, well, in this"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "case, we kind of deep dived into ancient"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "history, but all things mysterious and"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "supernatural. 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[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "Across the United States, something"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "sinister calls out from the woods,"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "mimicking the most innocent sound we"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "know. A 13-year-old boy lured into the"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "New Mexico woods by phantom cries. A"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Kentucky family terrorized by a"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "grotesque entity in their own room and"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "two Idaho teenagers trapped on a bridge"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "by supernatural forces. This episode"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "will take you through three cases"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "proving that when you hear something"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "strange in the wilderness, you should"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "never ever follow it. I'm Josh"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "Dinocchio. This is what lurks beneath."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "You won't want to miss this one."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "On the night of July 23rd, 2007, at"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "around 9:30, a 13-year-old boy named"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "Jacob was sitting in the living room at"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "his family's house on a reservation in"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "rural New Mexico. The house was a modest"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "ranchstyle home that had been passed"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "down by his grandfather. While it was"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "mostly surrounded by desert scrub, the"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "backside of the property went right up"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "to the edge of a densely wooded area"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "that ran for about a mile. Their closest"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "neighbor was about 5 mi away, so they"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "were really isolated out there. And he's"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "sitting there on the couch watching TV"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "with the window open because the room"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "has gotten pretty stuffy at this point."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "And he suddenly hears this really"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "strange sound. Initially, he thinks it's"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "coming from the TV, so he mutes it. But"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "the sound continues, and that's when he"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "realizes that it's coming from outside."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "So, he holds his breath so he can listen"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "better. And it sounds like maybe it's"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "just the wind or maybe an animal. But as"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "he continues to listen, he realizes that"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "it's a sound he recognizes. It sounds"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "exactly like a baby crying. At the time,"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "Jacob had an older sister who had moved"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "out years back, but her son had a really"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "distinctive cry. And this sounds kind of"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "like him. So, Jacob is thinking, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "they've just dropped by for a visit.\""}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "And so, he turns off the TV. 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The"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "crying sound just keeps going and it"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "sounds more and more desperate by the"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "second, just like a baby in distress."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "Naturally, he's thinking there's no way"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "that's actually an infant. I mean, he's"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "in the middle of nowhere for crying out"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "loud. There's nobody around for miles."}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "But as he continues to listen, the"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "crying continues and it sounds so real"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "and human that he can't shake the"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "feeling that maybe there really is a"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "baby somewhere outside. And this is"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "where he begins to feel really unnerved"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "because something about the entire"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "situation isn't sitting right with him."}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "He takes a closer look around. It's"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "pretty dark by this point, but there's a"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "full moon, so he could see pretty well"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "across their property. And as he's"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "looking around, he doesn't see anybody,"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "but he could still hear this crying"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "sound, and he thinks he can pinpoint"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "where it's coming from. It seems like"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "it's coming from the edge of the woods"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "at the back of their property. 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He knows it's"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "unlikely, but he's not heartless. He"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "just can't ignore it. So, he steps off"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "the porch and begins to walk across the"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "backyard heading towards the woods. At"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "this point, the crying sounds are"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "getting louder and louder as he's"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "approaching the treeine. But when he"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "reaches the edge of the woods, he stops"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "for a moment. It's really dark. The"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "moonlight that's lighting up the rest of"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "the yard pretty much stops just a few"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "feet into the forest. And the crying"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "sounds like it's coming from just inside"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "the woods. Even though he feels scared,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "he realizes that this could truly be an"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "infant in need and that he just needs to"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "be brave. So, he takes a deep breath and"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "he steps into the forest. And he walks"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "about 10 yards in, pushing past branches"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "and stepping over any debris. And the"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "entire time, the crying sound seems to"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "be just ahead of him. But as he"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "continues to walk, he notices something"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "very odd. The sound doesn't seem to be"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "getting any closer. He walks until he's"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "about 20 yards into the woods and he"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "stops. At this point, he's looking all"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "around, turning in circles, trying to"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "figure out exactly where this crying is"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "coming from. But he still sees nothing."}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "And as he's standing there, the crying"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "suddenly stops. It just cuts off midcry,"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "like someone flipped a switch. He's"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "standing in the dark woods all alone and"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "it is so quiet that he could hear a pin"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "drop and all of a sudden this"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "overwhelming feeling of dread takes"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "over. Now, I don't know if any of you"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "out there have ever got that gut feeling"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "where you realize you're at the wrong"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "place at the wrong time. That's what was"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "happening. It's like he's being watched."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "The hair on the back of his neck stands"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "up and he feels really exposed and"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "vulnerable. Without even thinking, he"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "turns around and starts running back"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "toward his house and he books it inside."}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "And once he's locked the door, he goes"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "to the window and looks out towards the"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "woods again, but there's nothing there."}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "At this point, there's no sounds."}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "There's no movement. There's really"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "nothing unusual. And for for whatever"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "reason, the crying never returned, but"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "neither did the sounds of the forest."}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "That night, he really struggled to"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "sleep. He wasn't sure if his mind was"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "just playing tricks on him or what the"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "deal was, but he was sure that what he"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "heard was a baby crying. There's just no"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "mistaking it. Well, the next morning he"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "comes to the kitchen for breakfast and"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "his dad is sitting at the kitchen table,"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "you know, drinking coffee and his mom"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "and sister aren't around and Jacob sits"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "down at the table and for a minute he"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "doesn't really say much because he's not"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "sure if he should bring up what happened"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "last night. But then he decides that he"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "has to tell somebody. Eventually, he"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "admits to his father that something"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "strange did happen last night. And so,"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "when his dad asks what, Jacob explains"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "the entire scenario from start to"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "finish. But as he's telling his father"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "the story, he notices his dad's"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "expression completely change. He's no"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "longer just casually listening. He's"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "sitting up straight. And there's this"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "look of concern on his face. And when he"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "finishes his story, his dad is quiet for"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "several moments. Jacob is convinced that"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "his dad doesn't believe him. So he asks"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "him if that's the case and to his"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "surprise, his father blows him away and"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "explains that not only does he believe"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "him, but that his own father shared the"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "exact same story from when they lived"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "there. Sometime long before Jacob was"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "born, his grandfather was alone at the"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "house. And according to what he told"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "Jacob's father, he had been woken up by"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "what sounded like an infant crying"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "outside. And just like Jacob, his"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "grandfather had gone out to the woods to"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "investigate and found nothing. Even"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "though he was using a flashlight, it"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "seemed to stay just ahead of him no"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "matter how far he looked. And he looked"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "for a long time, around an hour and a"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "half before he eventually gave up."}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Needless to say, Jacob was in shock. His"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "grandfather was a practical man, and if"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "he heard it, then there was something to"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "it. Safe to say that he avoided all the"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "wooded areas altogether after that. And"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "even during the day when there was"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "nothing to be afraid of, it still just"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "wasn't worth the risk. Years later, a"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "lot of the trees were cut down for"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "lumber. But even then, Jacob refused to"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "set foot back in what was left of the"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "forest. Now, Jacob still doesn't know"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "what made that crying sound. Was it some"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "kind of animal that just happened to"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "sound like a baby? Or was it the wind"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "playing tricks? Or was it something else"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "entirely? Maybe something that had been"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "there long before his family moved on to"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "the land. Something that had called out"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "to both him and his grandfather years"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "apart. Jacob learned a valuable lesson"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "that a lot of us should learn. Trust"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "your instincts."}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "In August of 1961, in the small town of"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Rogers, Kentucky, a woman by the name of"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "Mrs. Quinn was sound asleep in her bed."}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "She lived in a modest home with her two"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "daughters, Judy who was 14, and Brenda"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "who was younger. Rogers was the perfect"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "place for Mrs. Quinn to raise her"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "children. Here it was quiet and nothing"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "much ever happened. But on this night,"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "everything seemed normal. But around"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "1:30 that morning, Mrs. Quinn suddenly"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "woke up. And right away, she wasn't sure"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "what had disturbed her sleep. There"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "wasn't any loud noise or anything like"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "that, but something had left her wide"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "awake. And as she laid there in bed"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "trying to figure out what was going on,"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "she had a strange feeling that something"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "just wasn't right. And then she noticed"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "it. Something was right beside her bed."}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "Or at least that's what it seemed like"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "at first. But her eyes adjusted and she"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "realized that this thing wasn't standing"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "there. It was floating. And there was no"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "way on earth that it was a human being."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "Quinn was staring at some kind of"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "entity. She would later describe the"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "thing floating there as vaguely"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "resembling a baby, except that it"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "appeared too large and lumpy and sticky."}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "Those are very odd adjectives for this"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "experience. It was also dark, almost"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "charcoal color in the dim light. The"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "thing had a very round head that threw"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "off its own light. The dark baby's eyes"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "were glowing. And even weirder, the"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "wrinkles of flesh that curled around the"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "eyes seemed to glow on their own, too,"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "almost as if there was a light coming"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "from inside. All those bizarre details"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "aside, the closest comparison that Mrs."}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "Quinn could make was that it reminded"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "her of a roly polybug. You know, the"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "ones that curl up in a ball when you"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "touch them. And as you'd imagine, she"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "was terrified. I mean, imagine waking up"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "in the middle of the night and seeing"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "this bizarre thing floating right next"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "to your bed. She was so scared, in fact,"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "that all she could do was lay there"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "completely frozen and staring at this"}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "bizarre intruder that had somehow gotten"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "into her bedroom. And then, just after"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "hovering there for a moment, this thing"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "began to move. Now, at first, she was"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "relieved that it was leaving her room."}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "But that was when she realized in a"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "moment of horror, it left the room, but"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "it turned and went in the direction of"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "where her two daughters were sleeping."}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "And as it quietly glided out of sight,"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "she finally managed to break through her"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "paralysis. She jumped out of bed, rushed"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "after this thing, desperate to protect"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "her children from this thing. But when"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "she caught up with it, what she saw made"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "her heart stop. This this thing was now"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "hovering directly above Judy's bed. And"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "Judy, of course, was wide awake at this"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "point, staring up at this thing. and"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "with absolute terror in her eyes."}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "Strangely, Judy would later report that"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "as this thing hovered above her, she"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "felt a very bizarre sensation. Although"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "it wasn't touching her at all, it felt"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "like she was being physically pulled on"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "against her will. It was like this thing"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "was using some sort of control that made"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "her want to get out of bed. The"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "sensation was irresistible. She said"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "that she could actually feel herself"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "slipping off the bed, being drawn toward"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "it by some sort of force. Now, if you're"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "a parent, of course, you've run through"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "a lot of scenarios in your head about"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "how to protect your kids. But no one"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "games out this scenario. So, she doesn't"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "know what to do, but just stands there"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "in the doorway watching this thing as"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "her daughter is being pulled towards it."}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "And then everything changed. It happened"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "in an instant, just as suddenly as it"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "had started. Judy said that the"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "overwhelming urge to follow it just"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "stopped. All Mrs. Quinn knew was that at"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "this moment, this dark baby simply"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "blinked out of existence. It didn't"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "leave through the door or the window. It"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "just kind of vanished. This terrifying"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "account would eventually come to the"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "attention of Leonard Stringfield."}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "Stringfield served as a public relations"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "adviser for the UFO investigation"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "organization NIKAP, which was the"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "National Investigations Committee on"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "Aerial Phenomena. NIKAP was headed by"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "Donald Kho and they were one of the most"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "prominent UFO research organizations in"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "the United States at the time. Even"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "though Euphologist got involved, it's"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "not clear that the creature that"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "appeared in Kentucky that night was an"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "alien. I mean, after all, no one in the"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "Quinn family reported seeing anything in"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "the sky. So, if it wasn't an alien, then"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "what was it? Could it have been a water"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "baby or something similar that had"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "manifested in their household? and if"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "so, where did it come from? What did it"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "want with Judy? And why did it suddenly"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "disappear? Unfortunately, we'll never"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "know the answers to these questions."}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "Whatever Mrs. Quinn and her daughters"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "encountered that night in August of 1961"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "simply defies explanation and changed"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "their perception of reality forever."}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "What's really interesting is that the"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "sound of babies crying in remote"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "locations is something reported fairly"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "often. Not only can some animals like"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "cougars or bobcats make similar noises,"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "but it is actually one of those things"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "that pops up time and time again in"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "various paranormal encounters. For"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "example, late paranormal researcher John"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "Keel noted that it was commonly heard in"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "some UFO encounters. go even further"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "back and European fairies were sometimes"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "said to make similar noises in the"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "forest at night. Nowadays, especially in"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "North America, people associate the"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "sound with Bigfoot. But as it turns out,"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "Native Americans were certainly familiar"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "with this phenomenon as well, and they"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "sometimes blame these cries on"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "mysterious entities known as water"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "babies. They are powerful water spirits"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "rooted in the folklore of several"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "Western Native American tribes. They are"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "said to inhabit bodies of water like"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "springs, lakes, and streams. Those who"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "have seen them describe them as"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "creatures resembling human infants, and"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "their cries are supposed to be omens of"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "death or disaster. In various"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "traditions, they might appear with fish"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "tales or reptilian features, or might be"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "the souls of babies who had drowned."}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "Other times, you might never see them"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "and only know about them from their"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "haunting, disembodied cries that mimic"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "human infants. Cries specifically"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "designed to lure people into the woods."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "Responding to these cries and trying to"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "rescue or interact with them is very"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "dangerous because anyone foolish enough"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "to try usually ends up drowned or cursed"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "with bad luck or finds themselves in"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "grave spiritual danger. But that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "mean that water babies are always bad."}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "It's said that those with the proper"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "training like healers can sometimes"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "approach them respectfully. The"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "spiritual leaders of some tribes can"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "even perform rituals or offerings"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "ensuring safe passage on the water or"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "even good luck fishing. Whatever the"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "source, the sound of an infant crying in"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "the outdoors is pretty disturbing. I"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "mean, even though none of us would want"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "to follow a noise like that, we're all"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "biologically hardwired to respond. In"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "fact, a study from the University of"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "Oxford found that the human brain lights"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "up whenever we hear babies crying. The"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "parts of the brain that respond are"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "often associated with our fight orflight"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "response. We tag them as important"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "milliseconds before we consciously"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "process the sound. Seems like a part of"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "our brains ripe for manipulation,"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "doesn't it? Well, the answer seems"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "simple then, right? Just don't go"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "outside and don't respond. In the early"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "2000s, a 17-year-old boy named Bill"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "lived in a small town in rural Idaho,"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "about 5 miles from a reservation. Bill's"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "town was one of those places that maybe"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "had 10,000 people where everyone pretty"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "much knew each other and parents"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "generally felt safe letting their kids"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "run around. I mean, you could picture"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "it. Quiet, safe, and frankly boring for"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "teenagers. Well, to combat boredom, Bill"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "and his best friend Paul would often"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "just hop in the car and drive around at"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "night with nowhere particular in mind,"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "just exploring the back roads and remote"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "areas of their county. Occasionally,"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "when they really wanted some excitement,"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "they would venture off into the"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "reservation. The reservation wasn't off"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "limits or anything like that. It was"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "just a place that their parents rarely"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "went, and that meant that it held a"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "certain sort of mystique for the two"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "boys. They heard the rumor that there"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "was actually an old bridge where if you"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "parked at night and turned off your"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "engine and lights, you could supposedly"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "hear cries of the water babies. Well,"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "they knew exactly what their next"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "adventure would be. And so the following"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "weekend, they decided to check it out."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "At this point, it was a little after 11"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "p.m. and Bill pulled his car onto the"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "reservation. Right away, with the"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "anticipation of the trip ahead of them,"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "both him and Paul were already kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "spooked. The headlights cut through the"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "darkness as they followed the winding"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "roads deeper into unfamiliar territory."}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "Bill had already been on the reservation"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "during the day before, but everything"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "looked different at night. You guys know"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "how that is. Things can look drastically"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "different in the darkness. Paul asked"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "whether or not Bill was sure about where"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "they were headed. But Bill admitted he"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "wasn't positive, but he'd heard that the"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "bridge was supposed to be next to an"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "abandoned schoolhouse. It couldn't be"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "that hard to find, right? And 20 minutes"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "later, after driving around, they"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "spotted what appeared to be that just an"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "old dilapidated building that was once"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "clearly a school. And right nearby was a"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "small bridge that crossed over a canal."}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "This had to be it. So they pulled onto"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "the bridge and stopped right in the"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "middle of it, just like the urban"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "legend. Then Bill killed the headlights,"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "rolled down the windows so they could"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "hear if anything weird started to"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "happen. And of course, he turned the"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "engine off. And for the next few"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "minutes, they just sat in silence and"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "they strained to hear anything unusual."}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "But the only thing they could hear was"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "the constant sound of water flowing"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "underneath the bridge. Now, if you've"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "ever done something like this, you"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "probably know how things went. They"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "started off a little scared, but then"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "when nothing happened, they both felt"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "dumb. When things stayed quiet for long"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "enough, they started joking about how"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "there was really nothing to the story,"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "that this was just some silly urban"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "legend. Eventually, Paul's like, \"You"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "know what? Let's just leave. Like, we"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "clearly wasted our time.\" Bill agreed."}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "Reached forward to turn the key in the"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "ignition, but there's something"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "happening. Just D,"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "right? The dashboard lights came on, but"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "the engine wouldn't turn over. Now, this"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "didn't even make any sense because up"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "until this point, his car was fine. And"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "Paul's like, \"What's what's going on"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "here? Like, what's wrong?\" But Bill just"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "kept saying he doesn't know. The car had"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "been working fine for months until this"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "point. And certainly out of all the"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "times for it to break down, this is uh"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "this is definitely a heck of a"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "coincidence. But Bill being very"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "persistent kept trying it. He kept"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "trying it and nothing would work except"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "for the lights, which only made them"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "more confused. Bill ended up trying to"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "start the car several times, but the"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "result was always the same. Paul's like,"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "\"You know what? I have an idea. Maybe"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "it's the starter.\" and Bill agreed. But"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "they were both starting to feel nervous"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "because here they were out here in the"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "middle of of nowhere. They were alone"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "miles away from home on a bridge that"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "was supposedly haunted. If tribal police"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "came by, well, it would look suspicious"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "and they would have some explaining to"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "do. So Paul's like, \"Dude, you need to"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "call your mom.\" But Bill didn't even"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "have to think about it. He's like, \"No"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "way.\" He knew that his mother would be"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "furious if she found out that they were"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "doing this. and she made herself very"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "clear about how she felt about them"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "being on the reservation late at night."}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "So, knowing that that was not an option,"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "they both just sat there thinking, \"What"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "are we going to do? Like, we got to"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "figure something out.\" And at one point,"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "Bill pulled out his phone and told Paul"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "that, \"You know what? I'm going to call"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "my buddy Mike.\" And at the time, Michael"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "lived closer to the res than they did"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "and fortunately had a truck. If he was"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "home, he could stop by and give their"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "car a jump. Worst case scenario, he"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "could simply tow them back. No problem,"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "right? So, he calls Mike. Mike answers."}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "Bill explains everything, asks if Mike"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "could come help them out. And Mike knew"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "where they were, and so he agreed to"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "come by. And he's like, \"Listen, I'll be"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "there in about 15 or 20 minutes. Just"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "sit tight.\" Cool. Hangs up. And now all"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "they had to do was just sit tight and"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "wait. And it was during this time that,"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "you know, they would try to start the"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "car again, hoping that this was just"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "some fluke, right? that they would"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "somehow get a string of luck and the car"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "would start, but it was no use. And they"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "keep trying and they keep trying and"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "they keep trying. This is weird. So, 10"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "minutes goes by and Bill begins to"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "notice something moving near the canal."}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "And because it's dark, he assumed that"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "his that it was his eyes playing tricks"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "on him, but he could see clear as day"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "that whatever it was moving was on all"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "fours and it was moving along the edge"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "and heading toward the bridge. Now,"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "obviously in the situation they're in,"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "this spooked Bill and so he quickly whis"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "whispered over to Paul and he's like,"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "\"Can you see that?\" Or is it just me?"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "But Paul noticed it too and gasped. Both"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "men began to wonder if this was a coyote"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "or something because neither of them"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "knew what it was. Even though there was"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "enough light to see that there was"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "something, they couldn't really discern"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "by the shape what it was. It looked kind"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "of like an animal, but it just it just"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "kind of looked off. But they both"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "continue to stare at this thing. And as"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "it's getting closer and closer, it's"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "becoming clearer. And as this is"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "happening, they're realizing that aside"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "from the shape, the way its movements"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "were were so awkward. Its limbs were too"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "long and the shape of its body was odd."}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "And as it gets to a point in the canal"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "where it's illuminated more by the"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "moonlight, Bill can see that this is"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "actually this very, very thin, gaunt,"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "almost skeletal figure crawling around"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "on all fours heading toward the bridge."}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "Now, if that isn't frightening enough,"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "they can now see that its movements are"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "extremely jerky and unnatural, more so"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "than before because of the light, and it"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "begins to climb up onto the bridge,"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "which is now just a few dozen yards"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "ahead of them, and they start to panic."}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "Bill reaches out, honks the horn, and"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "he's holding it down as hard as he can."}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "Because everything around them is so"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "quiet, the sound is so loud and abrasive"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "in the night that it gets this thing's"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "attention, and its head immediately"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "snaps in their direction, and it stands"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "up on two legs, just like a human being."}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "Its arms hanging limp at its sides. But"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "by this point, both men are so"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "frightened and they could see this thing"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "as clear as ever. And it's at least"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "eight or nine feet tall. But again, its"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "body is so disfigured and emaciated and"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "the skin is stretched that they could"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "see every bone. Now, interestingly, when"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "Bill would later retell this story, he"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "would explain that the closest thing it"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "resembles was actually the werewolf"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "version of Professor Lupin from Harry"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "Potter and the Prisoner of Aszaban. But"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "I digress. They sat there for quite a"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "while just terrified of what they were"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "looking at. But this didn't do anything"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "but just stare back at them. And you"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "know, the seconds went by and there was"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "nothing they could do. There was nowhere"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "they could go. They were stuck inside"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "this vehicle. But in an act of horror,"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "this thing slowly put one foot in front"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "of the other and began closing the"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "distance between itself and the two men."}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "And like in a scene out of Indiana Jones"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "at the very last moment, you know how"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "like something happens that saves him."}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "this bright light appears over the ridge"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "and it was in fact the headlights coming"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "from Michael's truck. Immediately this"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "thing, you know, and drops back down on"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "all fours and with surprising speed just"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "kind of scurries away from the bridge,"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "heading back toward the hills in the"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "distance. By the time Mike pulled up"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "beside them, Bill and Paul were still"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "sitting in the car, both very pale and"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "very visibly shaken. Mike gets out of"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "his truck and he's like, \"Are you guys"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "okay? Like, what what the heck's"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "happening here?\" and he could see that"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "they're both as pale as ghosts. Neither"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "of them wanted to say what they had just"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "witnessed. I mean, can you blame them?"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "Bill just tried to sound as normal as he"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "could and assured Michael that they were"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "they were fine and he just explained"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "that the car wouldn't start and they're"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "stuck out there and you know, all the"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "sounds and just the atmosphere is"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "freaking them out. So Mike's like, \"All"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "right, whatever.\" He nodded. He looks"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "around and he figured, \"Let's get to"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "work. Let's try to get this car going.\""}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "So, they all get out and they're pushing"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "it off the bridge to the side of the"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "road. But Bill noticed that Paul kept"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "looking nervously toward the hills where"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "this thing had disappeared. But once"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "they had the car on solid ground, Mike's"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "like, \"You know what? I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "suggest that like we pop the hood and"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "like really check out the battery"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "connections and before we try to jump"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "anything, let's let's fix this before"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "anything gets more complicated.\" Now,"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "fortunately for Bill and Paul, there was"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "nothing wrong with the engine. And you"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "know, they explained to Mike what had"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "happened again and nobody could make"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "sense of it. There was nothing"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "physically wrong with anything in the"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "engine. So, you know, they tried to"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "start the car and sure enough on the"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "first go it roared to life. Everything"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "was fine. They couldn't explain exactly"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "what happened or why it happened. Of"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "course, in light of this now, Mike was"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "pissed off because he's thinking, \"I had"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "come all the way out here to rescue you"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "two when your car was completely fine."}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "Like this, you just wasted my time.\" But"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "he was glad that the problem wasn't any"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "more serious than it had been. Bill"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "could only assume that whatever had"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "happened was caused by the thing that"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "they had seen because nothing else up to"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "this point was making any sense. After"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "both of them desperately thanked Mike"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "for coming out and saving their butts,"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "he followed them back to town to make"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "sure nothing else happened. Neither of"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "them were sure, but they realized that"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "whatever it was, whatever had happened"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "that night was drawn to them for some"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "reason, and that there were reasons that"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "they were warned not to go on the res at"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "night. Was it some kind of undiscovered"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "creature? Maybe a spirit from Native"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "American folklore? And was it somehow"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "related to legends about the water"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "babies? All Bill can say for certain is"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "that whatever it was, it had the power"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "to stop his car and trap them on that"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "bridge. and he has no desire to"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "experience that ever again. And because"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "you guys all made it this far, I want"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "you to all comment below. Don't follow"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "the screams. So that way I know who made"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "it to the end and who didn't. And if you"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "guys enjoy content like this where we"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "deep dive into strange cases and stories"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "of the mysterious and supernatural, what"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "are you waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "content just like this. As always, never"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "forget I love you all. Keep an open mind"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "and I'll see you guys in the very next"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "episode."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "There's something deeply wrong with"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "California's national forests, and the"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "authorities don't want you to know about"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "it. A developmentally disabled boy"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "vanishes near a Sierra Nevada cabin,"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "only to be found 9 days later impossibly"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "high on a ridge. A grieving Native"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "American chief's curse continues to"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "claim victims in one specific area"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "almost 200 years later. And a routine"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "camping trip in Seoia turns into a"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "nightmare when something massive leads"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "to memories of missing time and"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "yelloweyed beings. In this episode, I'm"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "going to take you through three cases"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "that reveal a disturbing pattern hidden"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "within California's wilderness areas."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "One that suggests these places were"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "never meant for us. I'm Josh Dinocchio."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "This is What Lurks Beneath. You won't"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "want to miss this one."}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "On the morning of June 23rd, 1992, a"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "family of four from Oakhurst,"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "California, was driving along Highway 88"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "through the Sierra Nevada mountains. Bob"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "and Sharon Miller were in the front"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "seats, and their two kids, 10-year-old"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "Cindy and 12-year-old Kenny, were in the"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "back. They'd been planning this trip for"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "weeks, and everyone was excited to"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "explore the beautiful area near Carson"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "Pass, all along the Pacific Crest Trail."}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "When they reached the trail head in"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "Alpine County, Bob pulled into the small"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "parking area and everyone piled out of"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "the car. The weather this day was"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "perfect. I mean, you had clear blue"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "skies. The sunshine was amazing. It was"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "a gorgeous summer day. The family"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "grabbed their daypacks and they made"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "sure everybody had water and they began"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "hiking into the wilderness. Now, the"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "trail that they were on actually wound"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "through an area called Mice Meadows,"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "which sits at roughly 8,400 ft in"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "elevation. And as they hiked along, they"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "were surrounded by the stunning mountain"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "views and alpine meadows with all the"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "wild flowers. I mean, if you've ever"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "been there, it's just spectacular. Now,"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "the kids were having a great time,"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "especially Kenny, who kept stopping to"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "pick up really interesting rocks and"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "sticks along the trail, like a lot of"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "kids do. And after about 3 or so hours"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "of hiking, the family came across"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "something really cool. It was this old"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "abandoned log cabin with a barn next to"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "it that was known as Mice Cabin. As it"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "turns out, it had actually been built"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "decades earlier and was now this"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "historical landmark that hikers still"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "check out to this day. Bob and Sharon"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "were immediately interested in exploring"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "it, and Cindy ran ahead to peek inside."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "Kenny though wasn't near as interested"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "in the old buildings. While his family"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "went to investigate the cabin, he hung"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "back about 100 ft standing next to this"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "little creek that raided alongside the"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "trail. He was doing what he loved to do,"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "picking up small pebbles and just"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "tossing them into the water, watching"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "the ripples they made. Bob and Sharon"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "figured they just take a quick look"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "inside and then continue on their hike."}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "They could still hear Kenny behind them,"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "so they knew he was fine. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "they ducked inside and with Cindy to"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "check it out. They didn't spend too long"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "poking around. I mean, maybe 2 or 3"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "minutes at most with Bob pointing out to"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "Cindy how the pioneers had built these"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "structures. You know, that kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "thing. And when they emerged from the"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "cabin and looked back toward the creek"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "where Kenny had just been playing, he"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "wasn't there. So Bob called out, \"Kenny,"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "time to go.\" But there was no response."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "It was just the sound of the creek"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "blowing and the wind in the trees."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "Initially, Bob and Sharon weren't too"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "worried. They figured Kenny had maybe"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "wandered a little ways upstream or even"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "downstream, still playing with his"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "rocks. So, they walked back to where"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "they last seen him and began looking"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "around calling his name. But after about"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "10 minutes of searching the immediate"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "area and not finding any sign of him,"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "that's when panic started to set in. The"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "thing is, Kenny wasn't just any typical"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "12-year-old boy. It would turn out that"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "when Kenny was younger, he had"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "contracted menitis and it had caused"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "significant brain damage. Even though he"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "was 12, mentally he functioned more like"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "a 4-year-old. He had difficulties"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "communicating. He didn't always"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "understand danger. And worst of all, he"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "required daily seizure medication that"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "he didn't have with him on this dayhike."}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "Bob and Sharon, now in full panic mode,"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "began frantically searching the area up"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "and down, checking behind every boulder"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "and tree. And they just kept calling his"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "name over and over. And now his sister"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Cindy was crying, asking where her"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "brother was. Was he okay? What happened?"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "But nobody knew anything. And there was"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "no sign of Kenny anywhere. And after"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "about an hour of just desperate"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "searching, Bob had to make the difficult"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "decision to hike back to their car as"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "fast as possible. He looked right at"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "Sharon and Cindy and just said, \"Stay"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "here at the cabin. I'm going to go look"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "for help to get Kenny and he ran the 3"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "miles back to the trail head.\" By the"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "time Bob reached a phone and called 911,"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "it was already in the late afternoon."}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "The Alpine County Sheriff's Department"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "immediately launched a search operation,"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "not wasting a second. And word spread"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "pretty quickly to the nearby communities"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "about this missing boy. That night, the"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "news reached the Miller family's"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "hometown of Oakhurst, and the response"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "was immediate and overwhelming. People"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "who knew the family, people who had"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "never even met them, everybody wanted to"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "help find Kenny. And at 1:00 a.m., just"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "hours after Kenny had disappeared, over"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "50 volunteers had already gathered to"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "join the search. And by sunrise, the"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "search effort had grown into one of the"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "largest operations the area had ever"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "seen. I mean, you had Alpine County"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Sheriff's deputies, search and rescue"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "teams from multiple counties, the Forest"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "Service personnel, and hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "volunteers all looking for this boy. And"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "it was impressive because at its peak,"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "there were 250 people per day looking"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "for Kenny. I mean, if you think the area"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "in which he vanished wasn't large enough"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "for him to evade 250 people, especially"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "if there's that many people looking for"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "him per day. I mean, they even had"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "helicopters. They had search dogs all"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "working the trails, people checking"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "every single hiding spot possible"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "because everybody understood that time"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "was critical. Not only because Kenny was"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "developmentally disabled and couldn't"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "care for himself, but also because he"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "was just wearing a t-shirt and cotton"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "pants. This is an area where"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "temperatures dropped significantly at"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "night and there is risk of dying of"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "exposure if left to the elements. To"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "make matters worse, the weather turned"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "bad almost immediately. Storms rolled in"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "bringing rain, sleet, and even snow to"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "the higher elevations. Searchers were"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "battling horrible conditions,"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "desperately trying to find this"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "vulnerable boy. And over the next"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "several days, they did find some clues."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "In fact, they discovered a child-sized"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "sock that they believed was Kenny's. And"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "they found small footprints in muddy"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "areas that did match his shoe size. But"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "despite following these leads, for some"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "reason, they couldn't locate Kenny"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "himself. The search teams were very"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "thorough. They checked every canyon,"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "every cluster of trees, every rocky"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "outcropping, every nook and cranny where"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "any confused child might take up"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "shelter. They called his name until"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "their voices were. They played"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "recordings of his mother's voice over"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "loudspeakers, just hoping he would"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "recognize it and come toward the sound."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "But folks, day after day after day, all"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "passed and there was no sign of the kid."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "5 days, 6 days, it just added up and"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "storms continued to pound the area."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "Everybody involved knew that the chances"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "of finding Kenny alive were diminishing"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "rapidly. On July 2nd, 9 days after his"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "disappearance, the official search was"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "scaled back. It wasn't that people had"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "given up hope, but the reality was that"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "resources were limited and the chances"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "of survival after that long in those"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "conditions were pretty pretty minimal."}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "and most of the volunteers reluctantly"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "went home. However, Mr. Miller refused"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "to give up hope. Even after the search"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "ended, he returned to the mountains"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "every single day, searching on his own,"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "and he would hike for hours, checking"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "new areas, revisiting places that had"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "already been searched, calling his son's"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "name. But he didn't find anything"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "either. On July 4th, two offduty US"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "Forest Service workers were hiking in"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "the area. And while not specifically"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "searching for Kenny, but just out"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "enjoying the day, they were up on a high"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "ridge near Steven's Peak when one of"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "them spotted something that didn't"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "belong. At first, they thought it might"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "be a pile of clothing that somebody had"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "abandoned. But then they got closer and"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "realized what they were looking at. It"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "was a body, a small body. Immediately,"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "they radioed for help, and Alpine County"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "deputies responded to the scene. The"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "location was at approximately 9,800 ft"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "way up on this steep rocky ridge. Now,"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "the winds were so strong that when they"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "tried to bring in a California Highway"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "Patrol copter to recover the body, it"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "couldn't even land safely. So, they had"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "to send ground teams on horseback to"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "make the journey up to the ridge. When"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "they finally reached the body, the"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "sheriff confirmed what everybody feared."}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "It was indeed Kenny Miller. The autopsy"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "would later determine that he had died"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "from exposure, probably within just one"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "or two days of going missing. There were"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "no signs of foul play and no evidence of"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "any attacks. He had simply succumbed to"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "the cold and the storms. But there's a"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "part that none of us understand, the"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "detail that bothers everybody who worked"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "on this. Kenny's body was found"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "approximately 2 mi from where he"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "vanished. And more incredibly, it was"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "1,500 ft higher in elevation. How does a"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "disabled 12-year-old boy wearing just a"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "t-shirt and pants somehow climbed the"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "equivalent of a 140story building up a"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "steep rocky mountain? While hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "searchers were looking for him in the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "valleys and meadows below, Kenny had"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "somehow climbed up up into terrain that"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "was so difficult to navigate that"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "experienced park personnel had"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "difficulty navigating. No one knows why"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "he climbed the mountain. I mean, maybe"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "he was confused and thought he was"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "heading back to the car. Maybe he was"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "trying to get to a high point where he"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "could see better. Or maybe in his"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "childlike mind, he was just following"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "some instinct that no one will"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "understand. Or, of course, there's"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "always the dark side of things. Yeah, if"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "you're familiar with any missing 4 in1"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "cases, your mind's already going there."}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "And I just want to make note that this"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "isn't fun. This is a horrible case that"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "involves the tragic loss of life from a"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "child. than being a parent, I can't even"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "fathom the amount of pain that Bob and"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "his wife have to endure every day. And"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "where he was found, there's now a"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "memorial spot. It includes a granite"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "plaque inscribed with the words, \"Our"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "little angel, Heavenbound,\" along with"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "Kenny's name and dates. Some people have"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "taken to calling that ridge Kenny"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "Miller's ridge, in memory of him and his"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "final journey. And his story, like many"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "others, is very important to tell"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "because it's very important to bring"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "awareness to those who are going in"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "national parks and forest and are hiking"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "to just be very aware of what's going"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "on. But it makes you wonder maybe"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "something happened to him that they"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "don't want the public to know about."}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "What do you think? On a clear morning in"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "early October of 96, a ranger at Yuseman"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "National Park had received an urgent"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "radio call. A hiker had been reported"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "missing in the back country,"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "specifically in an area called Taniah"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "Canyon. He knew this wasn't good news."}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "Tanaya Canyon had a bad reputation among"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "staff that they'd actually put up"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "warning signs at the entrance that said,"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "\"Travel beyond this point is dangerous.\""}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "The thing was, this wasn't even the"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "first call about the canyon that day. In"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "fact, earlier in the morning, another"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "individual had already been reported"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "missing in the exact same area. two"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "separate groups, two separate incidents,"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "but both into Canyon on the same day."}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "This ranger immediately organized search"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "teams and over the following hours as"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "they comb through the rugged canyon with"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "its slick granite walls and treacherous"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "waterfalls. They were hoping they'd find"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "these hikers, maybe injured, but at"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "least alive. But by the end of the day,"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "they'd found both hikers, and both were"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "unfortunately deceased. I know this"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "video is dark. I'm just bear with me"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "here. Two separate accidents, two"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "separate locations within this place,"}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "both fatal on the same day. Of course,"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "tragic accidents happen in national"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "parks all the time, right? You have"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "people who slip on wet rocks or they"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "fall off cliffs or, you know, they fall"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "into creasses or they get eaten by"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "wildlife or die from exposure, right?"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "There's just a there's a myriad of"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "things and reasons and it's extremely"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "heartbreaking, but it's not mysterious."}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "But when word of these two deaths spread"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "among park staff, particularly the older"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "rangers who had been there for decades,"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "they all had the same thought. You see,"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "a lot of people call it superstitious,"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "but there's there's some weird stuff"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "happening. And to understand everything,"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "we really need to go back in time. This"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "canyon had earned itself a nickname."}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "People call it the Bermuda Triangle of"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "Yuseite. And there's a very specific"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "reason why. And in fact, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "go back to March 27th of 1851. On that"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "morning, a group of armed men on"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "horseback rode into Yoseite Valley. This"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "was the Mariposa Battalion, a volunteer"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "militia that had been authorized by the"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "state of California. And they were led"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "by James Savage and Captain John"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "Bowling. These men had come here for one"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "purpose, to forcefully remove the Native"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "Americans who lived in the valley. The"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "natives who lived in Yuseite weren't"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "just passing through or, you know,"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "hanging out temporarily. The Awanachi"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "people had been living in and around"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "this valley for at least thousands of"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "years. And by this point, they had their"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "own name for it. They called it Awani,"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "which meant place of the gaping mouth."}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "But the Awanachi, who were living there"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "in 1851, were actually relatively recent"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "returnees to the valley. You see, around"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "1800, a devastating epidemic had swept"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "through their villages, and their"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "survivors had been forced to abandon"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "their ancestral home and seek refuge"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "with neighboring tribes. And one of"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "those survivors was a young man named"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "Tanaya, the son of an Awanichi chief."}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "But in the 1830s, when Taniah had grown"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "up and become a leader himself, he made"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "a decision. He was going to lead his"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "people back to their homeland. And by"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "1833 he and his band had resettled in"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "Yuseite Valley in the land of their"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "ancestors. Now the neighboring tribes"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "had a name for Taniah's band. They"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "called them Yuseite which meant those"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "who kill or killers and it was"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "apparently a reference to their fierce"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "reputation as warriors. And that name"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "would eventually be adopted as the name"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "of the entire valley. Now for about 18"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "years Tanaya and his people lived very"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "peacefully. But in 1848, gold was"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "discovered in California and everything"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "changed. I'm sure many of you watching"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "this are very familiar with the history"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "here. And within just a few years, the"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "indigenous population in the southern"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "Sierra fell from several thousand to"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "just a few hundred. They were killed by"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "disease, violence, starvation. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "you had their food sources destroyed."}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "And so in late 1850, a trading post on"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "the Fresno River was attacked and its"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "perpetrator was killed. Whether this was"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "actually done by Tania's people or not"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "became the excuse for what would happen"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "next, right? So there's your backstory"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "and now we kind of get to what's really"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "happened. California then authorized the"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "formation of the Mariposa Battalion to"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "deal with what they called the Indian"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "problem. So on that morning when the"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "battalion rode in, they became the first"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "non-indigenous people known to have ever"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "entered this sacred place. And they"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "didn't come in peace. It was awful. They"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "immediately began setting fire to the"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "villages and horrifically they shot"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "anyone who tried to resist or flee. At"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "least one tribal elder was captured and"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "hanged from a tree. Chief Taniah himself"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "was captured and around 70 to 80 of his"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "people, as sadly as it is, mostly women"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "and children were rounded up like"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "cattle. And the militia forced the"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "captives to march on foot all the way to"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "the Fresno River to a makeshift"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "reservation camp. But they wanted to"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "make sure Taniah wouldn't try anything."}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "So they took his sons as hostages. Now"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "among the battalion was a doctor named"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "Lafayette Bennell, who would later write"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "about what he witnessed that day."}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "According to him, as the captured were"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "being marched away, Taniah's youngest"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "son suddenly tried to make a run for it."}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "And thinking maybe he could escape or"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "just got scared, whatever it was, well,"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "we know what happened. When Chief Taniah"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "saw his son fall, there's just something"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "that changed on his face. It's like he"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "just he immediately stopped walking and"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "he just turned to face the soldiers. And"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "even though he was in chains, even"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "though he was surrounded by armed men"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "who had destroyed everything he knew and"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "loved, he spoke in a voice that Banell"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "said he would never forget. Now, the"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "exact words he used have been debated by"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "historians, but some versions focused"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "specifically on the canyon that would"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "later bear his name. Taniah invoked a"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "curse upon the land, saying that the"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "valley would bring death to those who"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "had stolen it. He said the spirits of"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "his ancestors would ensure that this"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "place would never know peace, that it"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "would claim the lives of the invaders"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "just as they had claimed the lives of"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "his people. Of course, all the soldiers"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "laughed at him. They thought it was just"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "the ravings of a defeated old man and"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "all the people were marched away to the"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "reservation. Tanaya would eventually"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "escape and try to return to the valley,"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "but unfortunately the world he knew was"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "gone forever. In 1864, Yuseite was"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "granted to California as a park and in"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "1890 it became a national park. Now, as"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "for that specific canyon where Taniah"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "was said to have focused part of his"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "curse, it was named Tanaya Canyon,"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "presumably in his honor. But almost from"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "the beginning, people noticed strange"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "things about the place. I mean, there's"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "just an energy there. In 1873, just 22"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "years after Tania's curse, the famous"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "naturalist John Mr was exploring the"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "canyon when he had a serious fall that"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "nearly killed him. He later wrote about"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "the experience, describing the canyon as"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "having an almost malevolent feeling to"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "it. Over the following decades, this"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "canyon developed its reputation, like I"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "told you guys earlier, as the Bermuda"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "Triangle of Yuseite. People would get"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "lost there, and people would slip and"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "fall in conditions that shouldn't have"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "been dangerous in the first place."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "Search and rescue teams reported"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "equipment failures, sudden weather"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "changes, and even an overwhelming"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "feeling of being watched. Going back to"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "the present, by the time the two hikers"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "died on the same day in '96, the"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "reputation was so bad that, like I said,"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "the park had already put up warning"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "signs. Interestingly, if you visit there"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "today and talk to the rangers about this"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "canyon, you'll get a an array of"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "different responses. Some people believe"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "it's all hogwash, it's superstition,"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "whatever. But there are those that"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "really do believe there is something"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "mysterious and supernatural going on"}, {"end": "00:19:43", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "with that canyon. But regardless of"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "whether there's really a curse or not,"}, {"end": "00:19:49", "start": "00:19:43", "text": "this place is very dangerous and people"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "still tragically die with disturbing"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:49", "text": "regularity. Now, whether you believe in"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "curses or not is irrelevant because"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "there's just something really unsettling"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "about hiking through a place where less"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "than 200 years ago, a grieving father"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "stood in chains watching his son die and"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "spoke words that people still remember"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "today. And now that I think about it,"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "unfortunately, if this place really is"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "cursed and there is crap going on, the"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "public will never be made aware. While"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "our first two cases took place in and"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "around Yuseite, this last one takes"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "place a little bit more north in Seoia"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "National Park. I've saved the best for"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "last. This one is pretty wild. It's out"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "there. At around 4 in the morning, on a"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "summer night in 1975, a man named John"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "Clark was fast asleep in his trailer at"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "a campsite in Sequoia National Park in"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "California. John was there with his wife"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "and his good friend Ralph Johnson, and"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "they'd already been camping for several"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "days at this point. They were enjoying"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "the wilderness and getting away from"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "their regular lives and all the stress"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "that comes with that. John's dog was"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "sleeping on the floor of the trailer and"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "everything was relatively quiet. But"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "suddenly, John's dog just jumped up and"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "started barking like crazy. Hackles"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "raised."}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "And initially, Jon, you know, is kind of"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "in that groggy half awake state. and"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "he's pretty annoyed thinking that this"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "stupid dog woke me up for a stupid"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "raccoon, you know, rustling around"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "outside. And he's yelling at his dog to"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "just cut it out, go back to sleep, and"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "he's trying to toss and turn, but his"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "dog wouldn't stop. He's going ballistic,"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "growling in a way that John wasn't used"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "to hearing. And after a few minutes of"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "this, he's like, \"Okay, maybe maybe"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "there's a bear outside. Like, there's"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "something to this.\" So, he sat up. He"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "looked over at his wife, who was also"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "now awake, and they're thinking, \"What's"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "going on here?\" Well, when they heard"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "their friend Ralph, who was sleeping in"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "his car nearby, he was yelling"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "something. John couldn't quite make out"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "what Ralph was saying, but he sounded"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:49", "text": "really scared. So, John quickly got out"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "of bed, looked out the window of his"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "trailer, and even though it was really"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "dark, there was just enough light from"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "the moon that he could see their"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "campsite pretty clearly. And what he"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "saw, it just didn't make any sense."}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "There was this massive figure moving"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "through their camp. John was like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "this is a bear. You know, they're in"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "Sequoia National Park. I mean, there's a"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "lot of black bear.\" But his eyes"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "adjusted more and he realized even"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "though it looked like a bear, it just"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "the movements were very different. For"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "starters, this was walking on two legs,"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "and it walked like it was used to being"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "on two legs, you know, bipedal. It had"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "to have been at least 9 ft tall. And so"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "he's still thinking it's a black bear."}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "Like this has got to be the largest"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "black bear I've ever seen. But the more"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "he looks at it, the more he has to talk"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "himself out of rationale and logic"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "because he's like this this just doesn't"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "make sense. And all the while this is"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "happening, his eyes are adjusting more"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "to the light and he could start to make"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "up more features of this. And all this"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "is taking place within, you know, a"}, {"end": "00:22:55", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "matter of seconds, of course. And he"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "could see what looks like blonde or"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "light colored hair all over its body."}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "But the strangest thing was was how it"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "moved because it wasn't walking with the"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "typical up and down motion that you and"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "I have when we walk. It's kind of like"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "or it kind of like glided across the"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "ground and kept its upper body perfectly"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "level as it moved. And by now his wife"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "had joined him at the window and they're"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "both watching this. They have no idea"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "what's going on. They don't know what"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "they're looking at. They're frozen."}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "They're terrified. And then they see"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "Ralph and he's got a frying pan in his"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "hand and he throws it at the thing and"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "the pan just bounces off the thing and"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "is it doesn't even react. There's no"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "sound. It doesn't speed up or slow down."}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "It just keeps moving with this strange"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "smooth motion. And now Ralph is in full"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "panic mode, right? You don't just get"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "hit by a cast iron pan and don't react."}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "So, he runs to his car, jumps inside,"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "and you could actually hear him locking"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "on the doors. And Jon's now in full"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "panic mode, if he wasn't already. And"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "the only thing going in his mind is, \"I"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "need to protect my wife. I have to do"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "something.\" So, he reaches over, grabs"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "his rifle that he had brought for"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "protection, and he tells his wife, \"Stay"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "down and be quiet.\" And so, she gets"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "down and he's he's looking. And for the"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "next several hours until the sun came"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "up, he just sat there with his rifle,"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "watching, waiting, and whatever it was"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "that had been gliding around their camp"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "for whatever strange reason had"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "disappeared. But Jon wasn't about to"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "take any chances. Now, his dog"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "eventually stopped barking, but remained"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "very agitated, whining and whimpering,"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "pacing around the trailer. I mean, it"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "was evident that everything about the"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "situation was very wrong. And of course,"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "you could hear Ralph in his car. Every"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "once in a while, he'd start the engine"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "like he was thinking about driving away,"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "but then he'd turn it off again. Now,"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "when the sun finally came up and it was"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "fully light outside, he felt safe enough"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "to finally go out. Ralph got out of his"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "car, too, and he looked terrified. He"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "was shaking. He was pale. And he just"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "said to John, \"Did you see that thing?\""}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "And all three of them spent the next"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "couple hours searching all around"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "looking for any evidence of what they"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "had seen. You know, they looked for"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "prints, any broken branches, any sign"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "for anything, anything that they could"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "use to prove that this happened. They"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "didn't find anything. There wasn't a"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "track. Even though the ground was soft,"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "it just it's like they had this shared"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "hallucination. None of it made sense."}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "And because they were so sleepd deprived"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "by this point, they were shaken up."}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "They're just like, you know what? Let's"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "just pack up and call it a day. But"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "John's wife couldn't let it go. And so"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "even though they went home the very next"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "day she did something that Jon thought"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "was strange. She went out and got a"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "Ouija board. Now Jon had never been into"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "any of this hocus pocus kind of stuff."}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "Right. To him it's just like ah but I"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "you know we don't mess with that. But"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "his wife is like no maybe if we use this"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "board maybe we can contact spirits and"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "get an answer as to what this was. So he"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "humored her. They sat up the board on"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "the kitchen table. She put her fingers"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "in the planchet and folks, they started"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "asking questions. Now, of course,"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "nothing happened at first, but then they"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "kept asking it more and they waited and"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "well, eventually the planchet started"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "moving and it spelled out Q. John's wife"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "asked what Q meant. The board indicated"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "it was a name and so she asked where Q"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "was from and the board spelled out that"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "it was from 5 million lighty years away."}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "This is like something straight out of a"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "science fiction movie. It was wild. Now,"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "of course, John, seeing all of this is"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "getting very uncomfortable, but his wife"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "just kept going and asking questions."}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "And so, she began to ask it if it had"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "anything to do with what they saw at the"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "campsite. The board, of course, said"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "yes. And so, she began asking it more"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "questions. And it just it gets stranger."}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "The board spelled out Bigfoot. But then"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "came this really strange answer. John's"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "wife asked if Bigfoot was from Earth,"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "and the board the board said no. That"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "Bigfoot was actually an alien that had"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "crashed on Earth in 1863, and that it"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "had come from the planet Pluto. Pretty"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "wild, I know. Now, John, by this point,"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "had had enough. He thought the whole"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "thing was just getting so ridiculous."}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "And he's also extremely freaked out from"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "the camping experience and everything"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "that had gone on up until this point"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "without adding the whole alien thing"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "into the mix. And so he then stopped his"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "wife and convinced her to put the Ouija"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "board away and they would actually end"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "up throwing it in the trash. Now, as"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "they tried to move on with their lives,"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "what had happened left such a imprint on"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "Jon's mind that he began developing"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "severe sleep issues. He just began"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "having horrific nightmares and it was to"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "the point to where he was suffering from"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "insomnia. And about three or so weeks"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "goes by and he decided he needed help."}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "Now, he had heard about a professor at"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "the University of California by the name"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "of Dr. James Harter, who at the time was"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "known for researching UFOs and other"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "unexplained phenomena. Now, even though"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "John had never believed in any of that"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "stuff before, he was so desperate for"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "answers. So, he reached out to Dr."}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "Harter, told him the whole story, and"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "not surprised, Dr. Harter was very"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "interested. and he simply suggested that"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "Jon undergo hypnosis because sometimes"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "people block out traumatic or unusual"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "experiences and hypnosis could help"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "recover those memories. Of course, John"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "was skeptical but he agreed to try it."}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "And so he went to the office and you"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "know he was put under hypnosis taking"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "him back to that night. And at first"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "John was just describing what he'd"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "already remembered the dog barking,"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "seeing the creature, the way it moved."}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "But then something changed. While he was"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "under hypnosis, John began remembering"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "things he hadn't remembered before. And"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "he remembered that when he was watching"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "the thing through the window, there was"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "a moment where everything went bright"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "white. And the next thing he knew, he"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "wasn't in his trailer anymore. He was in"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "this triangular room and he couldn't see"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "any doors or windows, just smooth walls"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "that seem to glow with their own light."}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "And he was lying on some kind of table."}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "He tried to move, but he couldn't. He"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "could feel something in his arm, like a"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "tube or an IV. And there was another"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "tube in his stomach. And then he felt"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "himself being lifted up, but not by"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "hands, but like he was levitating. And"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "as he was floating there, he looked up"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "and he saw this brilliant white light"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "above him. But then, as his eyes"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "adjusted, there was something in the"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "light. There were eyes looking down at"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "him. These yellow eyes with black slits,"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "like a cat's eyes, or reptiles, but much"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "larger. And John was trying to see more,"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "trying to see what kind of being these"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "eyes belong to, but he couldn't make out"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "a body. His mind just couldn't process"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "what he was seeing. And all he could"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "focus on were the eyes. And suddenly it"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "was over. He was back in his trailer"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "looking out the window. And now under"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "hypnosis, he understood that missing"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "time, that moment of bright white light."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "He hadn't just seen something, something"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "had taken him. When Dr. Harter brought"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "Jon out of hypnosis. He was very"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "traumatized. He was sweating and"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "shaking. He couldn't believe what he"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "just remembered. And it felt real, more"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "real than a dream or imagination, but it"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "felt impossible. Dr. Harter broke the"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "news to him that his experience was not"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "unique. That he'd worked with many"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "others who'd had similar encounters,"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "seeing a creature or a being and missing"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "time, and then under hypnosis,"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "remembering an abduction experience. He"}, {"end": "00:30:34", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "said that there seemed to be some"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "connection between Bigfoot sightings and"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:34", "text": "UFO activity. Why? We don't know. Nobody"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "really understood what the connection"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "was. Unfortunately for Jon, he was more"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "confused now more than ever, and he"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "didn't have any answers. Had he really"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "been abducted? Was Bigfoot really an"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "alien from Pluto? Or was his mind just"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "trying to make sense of something so"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "strange that defied everyday logic that"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "he created false memories? Now, believe"}, {"end": "00:31:01", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "it or not, Dr."}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "is right that there are many people who"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "have had very similar experiences and"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "unfortunately a lot of them take place"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "in national parks more specifically in"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "California just because there's a much"}, {"end": "00:31:16", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "higher volume of people going into those"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "places and that's it folks the postulate"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:16", "text": "suggest a conspiracy to cover up"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "anything like this that happens in all"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "national parks and wilderness areas in"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "the state of California why that remains"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "a mystery And because you made it to the"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "very end, I want you to all comment"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:30", "text": "below California knows. 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"00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "information and there will be a lot of"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "jumping around in time to make sense of"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "events so please bear with me in the"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "early 1970s Sam Blackburn and his family"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "lived in central Long Island New York at"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "this time he was just a little guy no"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "more than four or five years old and he"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "was also the youngest of six and had"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "five older sisters the family lived in a"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "modest one-level home with just an attic"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "and a basement growing up his 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"text": "the wall to the right of the classroom"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "door he seized up and couldn't breathe"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "he thought he was going to die the"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "principal and nurse ran in telling him"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "to breathe repeatedly rubbing his chest"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "and telling him to relax eventually he"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "caught his breath and was carried to the"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "nurse's room when his mom arrived they"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "told her he had ripped a muscle in his"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "lower left back but should fully recover"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "since he was young he's still has a dent"}, {"end": "00:07:30", 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"text": "from years of unloading in fixing trucks"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "his son became the primary muscle for"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "most tasks and so about 6 months after"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "arriving things began to change a"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "heaviness descended on the property an"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "oppressive suffocating feeling in the"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "air initially dismissed as the Florida"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "heat the feeling persisted throughout"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "the colder months the family eventually"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "started an animal farm on the property"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "everything appeared normal but not long"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "after animals started dropping like"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "flies it was especially traumatic for a"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "teenager from up North with no"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "experience in farming in fact all Sam"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "seemed to do was clear trees his father"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "had cut down Dodge coral and"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "rattlesnakes and bury animals in the"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "back of their property their chickens"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "despite being wellfed would constantly"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "attack and cannibalize each other the"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "rabbits though properly sheltered would"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "develop these awful skin diseases and"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "perish or if not separated Maul each"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "other strangely the pigs would break out"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "and devour the chickens whole the boy"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "even saw them catch and eat snakes the"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "goats would often get sick letting out"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "pained bleats and death rattles before"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "seccc coming to their illness there's"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "more that involves goats cows and horses"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "but due to how graphic it is we'll just"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "say that many of them got sick and died"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": 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"00:11:43", "text": "stopped attending church forcing his son"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "to get rides from another family to"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "attend Sunday Services the father's"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "Behavior grew increasingly erratic and"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "violent just really horrific stuff his"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "father often forced Sam to participate"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "in many things to make a man out of him"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "though Sam learned to shut off his"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "emotions and did what he was ordered he"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "never enjoyed it like his father seemed"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "to his dad just had a liking for cruelty"}, {"end": "00:12:14", 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"start": "00:12:35", "text": "the mom didn't kill the dog but"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "instructed Sam to handle business he"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "unfortunately had no choice when his"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "father later arrived home he was so"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "Furious he shot up the backyard from"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "there it seemed like his father would"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "continue to decline mentally hours later"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "long after Sam had fallen asleep he woke"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "up to commotion from his father in the"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "living room after going out to"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "investigate he could see his dad was"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "clearly on the the verge of losing it"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "with a rifle in his hands after very"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "serious and violent threats made to him"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "his mother and Sam somehow having the"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "ability to remain calm just told his dad"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "that God wouldn't let him do that please"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "go back to his room his father lowered"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "the weapon and returned to his room now"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "by this point his parents slept"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "separately well one extreme situation"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "had been diffused the circumstances"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "surrounding the living situation were"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "about to worsen Sam faced tremendous and"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "horrific physical emotional and"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "psychological abuse from both parents"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "it's so extreme that I won't be going"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "into detail this sort of life became"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "Sam's normal and over the years his"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "father would explode over nothing they"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "would get into intense physical"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "altercations using weapons and anything"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "they could after some time the father"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "started to wreak of sulfur and sometimes"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "Sam would see his father's eyes go"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "completely black and his face shift into"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "something else Sam was convinced that"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "the land they had lived on was cursed"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "great evil existed there and he felt it"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "constantly at 16 Sam had finally had"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "enough of the life he had endured until"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "now he made an attempt at the"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "unthinkable but managed to survive that"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "year he got baptized and even though the"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "abuse left him feeling numb inside he"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "felt an inner glow knowing something"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "greater loved and protected him after"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "his baptism it wasn't as bad and he"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "didn't feel it when he was off the"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "property he simply learned to cope he"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "learned not to love or have pets since"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "he lost so many disturbingly the"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "evidence showed they weren't the only"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "ones suffering lots of people had"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "similar problems with their animals"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "there was rampant drug use and death"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "that got swept under the carpet and"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "ignored by the community strange"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "illnesses seem to plague the area like"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "lupus cancer leukemia all kinds of"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "mental illness even a woman at Sam's"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "Church developed this bizarre hardening"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "of the skin disease Sam close friend"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "from school who was older than him died"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "of leukemia at age 23 and there were"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "many others historically speaking that"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "area had supposedly been hexed by Native"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "Americans who had survived the wars"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "against them in that land the region"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "witnessed extensive fighting between"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "seol tribes and US forces with seals"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "fighting three major Wars to retain"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "their lands the area also saw action"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "during the Civil War though Florida's"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "involvement was less extensive than"}, {"end": "00:15:33", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "other Confederate states the combination"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "of these conflicts and forced"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "relocations left a lot of negative"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "energy and Trauma to the land and the"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "people who inhabited it Sam was at a"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "point in his life where he just couldn't"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "take it any longer and he realized after"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "one final argument with his father he"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "needed out one day he just got up and"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "left and joined the army the turmoil"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "didn't just exist between Sam and his"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "father though his parents would later"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "divorce after his father had an affair"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": 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"start": "00:16:23", "text": "private pile from the film though he had"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "been doing well and scoring high a freak"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "accident with a grenade exploding nearby"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "which a small barrier saved his life and"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "another bad incident gave him severe"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "PTSD this is when he began drinking and"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "smoking heavily leaving the base without"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "permission eventually he met with Jag"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "which are military legal officers and"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "opted to get out early during all these"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "years Sam kept in contact with his"}, 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"text": "just beautiful on the outside but a"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "beautiful pure heart she sometimes"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "caught Shadows moving around her room"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "but it remain benign nothing ever tried"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "to attack her and eventually she would"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "marry young but continuously run into"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "fertility issues after extensive testing"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "everything was normal after 10 long"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "years of nothing and praying to God she"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "finally got pregnant with a baby girl"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "interestingly according to many African"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": 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"start": "00:19:13", "text": "sensation in her bedroom as she woke up"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "and looked towards the ceiling she saw"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "this Smoky Shadow Apparition gliding"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "across her bedroom ceiling before she"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "could scream it stopped it looked at her"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "and smiled with what appeared to be"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "serrated teeth and glowing red cat-like"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "slitted eyes this was only one of"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "several terrifying experiences she had"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "on that property and she was thoroughly"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "convinced an abundance of spirits"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "resided there on another evening she"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "woke to find a fully dressed Union"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "soldier in blue standing at a tension"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "near her bed holding a rifle startled by"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "what she was seeing it spoke to her and"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "explained I'm here to protect you ma'am"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "everything is okay you can go back to"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "sleep she hid under her blanket and"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "eventually fell back asleep shortly"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "after Sam returned to the property to"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "help his mother after everything had"}, {"end": "00:20:09", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "gone to Hell in a hand basket his"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "primary purpose for returning this time"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:09", "text": "was to help his father relocate to a new"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "property and at some point during this"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "process his parents got into a really"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "bad argument and he just saw the blood"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "in his father's eyes his father was so"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "Furious he went for his loaded gun and"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "made some very serious threats to his"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "mother Sam quickly got her off the"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "property before he returned Sam returned"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "and successfully managed to calm his"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "father down after an hour this was when"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "his father opened up about everything"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "for the first time he admitted to Sam"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "that something like a serpent had coiled"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "inside him he explained that drugs and"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "alcohol helped keep it from springing up"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "into his head and taking over in that"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "state he could see what he was doing but"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "felt like he was on autopilot in a"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "nightmare and could not stop in fact his"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "father who had moved off the property"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "continued to threaten Sam's mother"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "repeatedly until Sam could not take it"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "anymore he marched right over to his"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "father's home and told him straight to"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "his face that if he went through with"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "his threats and hurt his mother he would"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "take his father out himself now this"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "scared him because he had never seen his"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "son like that and it must have worked"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "because all the threats stopped after"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "this and there wasn't much of a"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "relationship at all after that on"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "February 6th 2006 his father died an old"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "sickly foul smelling man who could"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "barely avoid urinating on himself at the"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "age of 66 unfortunately he wasn't"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "discovered right away on February 9th 3"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "Days Later Tiffany hadn't heard from him"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "which wasn't normal since he usually"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "returned her phone calls she sent her"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "husband to go to his house and do a"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "wellness check once at his property he"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "knocked on the door but couldn't hear"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "anything so after letting himself in he"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "was greeted with a horrific sight when"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "the husband went to check on him and"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "pulled back the covers the father's face"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "peeled off and stuck to the blanket the"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "body was bloated and discolored with"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "maggots spilling out all over the bed he"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "ran outside and vomited after the family"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "met for the funeral Tiffany and her"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "husband began arguing constantly and it"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "felt as if Sam somehow got roped into it"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "and by this point he had been out of the"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "military and had become a truck driver"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "and there is one incident where"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "Tiffany's husband was just going off"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "about something it had gotten so bad"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "that Tiffany called Sam and he had to go"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "over there to try to reason with him"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "when he got out of his vehicle and"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "walked up to the the door to knock some"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "invisible force struck him very hard in"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "his weak spot a spot where he had almost"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "broken his back years before the hit was"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "so intense that it felt like electricity"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "shooting up his legs and body he just"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "dropped to his knees grabbing the car"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "handle to avoid falling face first in"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "the dirt and he cried out oh God but saw"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "nothing behind him and so after a quick"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "prayer he could stand and walked as the"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "pain subsided now he wanted to leave but"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "he felt compelled to follow through with"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "helping his sister and when the husband"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "answered the door he stuck his face in"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Sam's face laughing with ink black eyes"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "and babbling in some unknown language"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "after his insane laughter and apparent"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "mocking he just turned around went to"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "the kitchen and got a drink from the"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "fridge it was totally nonchalant as if"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "nothing had happened Sam began to ask if"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "he was okay to which the husband"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "responded by turning around looking at"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "him oddly and asking him when did he get"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "here after that Sam left and didn't"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "continue much of a relationship with his"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "sister he would occasionally visit her"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "and every time he did he noticed that"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "their room smelt more and more like"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "their father's before he died Tiffany's"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "husband even began lining up his"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "personal items cigarettes lighters"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "change on his dresser and night table"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "just like Sam's father used to do was it"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "the actual entity and his father that"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "had now taken hold of Tiffany's husband"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "we don't know now at this point this"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "portion of the story takes place roughly"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "between 2004 and 2015 Sam had just"}, {"end": "00:24:03", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "gotten through a divorce and was staying"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "with the family in Florida before buying"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "a home in Summerfield the house was a"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "yellow building with a separate Garage"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "in the back sitting on about a half acre"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "of land in a wooded neighborhood that"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "mostly had dirt roads it had been built"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "by an old man from a North in a Northern"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "style complete with an attic red brick"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "foundation and get this even a basement"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "with a double storm door side entrance"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "which again folks is very rare in"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "Florida so when Sam moved in the a"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "inside felt nippy compared to the"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "outside I mean especially in the"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "basement which had this kind of dank"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "feel and a moldy old man smell he often"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "felt like he was being watched seeing"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "shadow figures out of the corner of his"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "eyes but every time he looked there was"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "never anything there now was time passed"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "Sam always felt unwelcome in his own"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "home it was this feeling he couldn't"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "shake and the place started having"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "serious pest problems he was dealing"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "with rats the size of his foot huge"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "cockroaches called palmento bugs and"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "Florida and even termites even after"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "getting the pest situation under control"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "through extermination the feeling never"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "disappeared later Sam found out the"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "previous owner had gotten into a bad"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "situation with her husband and was"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "divorcing him claiming abuse she had"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "even slandered him at their church after"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "finding a bunch of porn on his computer"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "the stress apparently triggered a"}, {"end": "00:25:27", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "massive heart attack causing him to die"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "right there in the house after learning"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:27", "text": "this Sam looked up some books about"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "spiritual problems and found one that"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "really helped him prepare for war by Dr"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "Rebecca Brown he decided to try his"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "first spiritual house cleansing he went"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "through all the rooms with a Bible and"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "candle in hand praying and asking that"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "any evil be removed even opening closets"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "and cabinets when Sam got to the last"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "room the temperature suddenly dropped"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "dramatically even though it was typical"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "hot Florida weather outside it got so"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "cold in that room he could see his"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "breath then this forer ener started"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "enveloping him while he tried to pray it"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "was channeling the most intense negative"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "emotions he had ever felt hopelessness"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "despair anger hatred and intense sadness"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "all at once though it brought him to"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "tears and his teeth were chattering he"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "forced himself to complete the prayer"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "seven times despite having to"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "temporarily stop due to the attack"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "suddenly the whole room changed"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "brightening and warming up like"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "something had jerked whatever it was"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "straight up to the ceiling and tossed it"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "away from the house Sam was elated he"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "finished by taking olive oil he had"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "prayed over to be blessed and anointed"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "the four corners of the windows and door"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "frames after that things seemed to"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "normalize one night while on a walk Sam"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "saw this incredible star moving across"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "the sky making him wonder if an angel"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "had been watching him what seemed like a"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "miracle happened after he anointed the"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "propery lines a brush fire broke out"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "from the empty overgrown lot behind his"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "land the fire went in a perfect square"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "around the property without ever"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "crossing the lines before leaving it"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "alone afterward trees grew along those"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "property lines some people told him that"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "link Angels holding hands around the"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "house caused this Sam had other weird"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "experiences in the area too something"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "Sam really enjoyed doing at this time"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "was going on night walks because of how"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "much shade there was one evening in late"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "summer early fall as he was walking he"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "looked up at the stars and noticed that"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "one of them had started to move it was"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "in the middle of the sky but lower"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "towards the north Horizon the direction"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "Sam was walking it gradually moved from"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "left to right and it picked up speed"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "suddenly it did a 90\u00b0 turn without"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "slowing down and then shot upward all of"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "it happened in a matter of 5 to 10"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "seconds afterward there was this sort of"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "ripple effect in the sky and Sam just"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "stood there stupified unsure of what to"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "do or say now during this time Sam"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "started buying extra bedroom sets and"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "mini refrigerators to rent out rooms he"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "also let his ex-wife stay there for a"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "short time after she got evicted which"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "he would later regret eventually he"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "would learn that you can't let evil in"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "if you want to keep evil from your home"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "once the place gets tarnished whatever"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "evil was asked to leave can come back"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "seven times worse than before one day"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "Sam's mom made a surprise visit she had"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "keys to the house for emergencies and"}, {"end": "00:28:26", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "unknown to Sam's ex wife who was there"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "walked in to find her on a ladder trying"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:26", "text": "to place something in the Attic it"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "turned out to be a hex bag his ex had a"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "witchcraft book out on the table too and"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "his mom and ex got into a fierce"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "argument the result was that everything"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "got trashed Sam was informed of what had"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "happened and his ex was sent to stay at"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "her daughter's apartment now over time"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "Sam encountered many room renters which"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "was normal when renting rooms I mean"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "people come and go all the time but one"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "particular renter turned out to be a"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "witch she even had a black cat which Sam"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "had agreed to without seeing it first"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "and once he discovered more about her"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "and realized she was a witch he just"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "decided to wait it out figuring she"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "would leave eventually Additionally the"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "witch didn't seem to like that Sam was"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "Christian he just got those vibes from"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "her and during the couple of years she"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "stayed there weird things started"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "happening half a dozen black crows would"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "repeatedly attack the roof over Sam's"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "bed almost every other week there were"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "often complaints about strange smells"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "mixed with incense coming from her room"}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "Sam would often see large looming black"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "Shadows moving through out the home and"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "the smell of sulfur filled it everyone"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "in the home was having nightmares the"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "woman who was a practicing witch"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "eventually moved out after she left it"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "was like her room was cursed every"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "person who rented that room either got"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "sick and moved or died one man developed"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "diabetes and died from a severe stroke"}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "right there in the front yard before the"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "ambulance could take him another tenant"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "got cancer and then completely vanished"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "leaving all his belongings behind he had"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "a lot of cash for from a recent"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "retirement and Sam later ran into a lady"}, {"end": "00:30:05", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "who knew him she was completely"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "convinced that a woman at the bar had"}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:05", "text": "seduced him and probably robbed him with"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "her boyfriend and then dumped him"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "somewhere in the Okala National Forest"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "since she had bragged about doing this"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "before Sam had reported this information"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "to the police but they seemed completely"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "disinterested apparently that old man"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "used to be a sheriff in South Carolina"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "well the string of bad luck continued an"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "elderly tenant got sick and the VA told"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "him his body was no longer producing"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "blood that he'd have to live off"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "transfusions for the remainder of his"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "life he eventually left and got better"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "after moving out others who stayed had"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "terrible luck one guy had a nasty"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "breakup involving the police and then"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "got bitten by a brown recluse spider in"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "the basement losing half the skin on his"}, {"end": "00:30:52", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "backside some got arrested for stupid"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "things and lost the room that way or"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:52", "text": "started arguments with Sam until he had"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "to put them out the next night though"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "after a walk Sam came home to find a 2"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "and 1/2t Owl resting on his mailbox"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "staring at him so intensely it was"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "unnerving he tried to make light of it"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "by saying hello in his Jerry Seinfeld"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "voice but the owl was none too happy as"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "stayed in the tree all night harassing"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "him with loud hooting another time he"}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "came home from work to find two dozen"}, {"end": "00:31:22", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "vultures sitting on top of his garage a"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "buddy of his named Joe had rented from"}, {"end": "00:31:27", "start": "00:31:22", "text": "him for years and the cable guys sought"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "to they were all freaked out two women"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:27", "text": "renting rooms sought a shadow of a tall"}, {"end": "00:31:33", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "man on the other side of the kitchen"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "window and the window in the back door"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:33", "text": "they walked through that house into that"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "room only to find no one there when they"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "checked now at this point Sam started"}, {"end": "00:31:43", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "having bad luck too with the"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "relationships his health accidents like"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:43", "text": "falling off ladders while patching roofs"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "pet dogs disappearing the crows started"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "attacking the roof above his bed in the"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "garage after a bad fall that really"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "popped his lower disc and spine out of"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "place he could hardly walk one day his"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "mother called saying she would pray for"}, {"end": "00:32:05", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "him at her Bible study group and that"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "very night he felt a finger go into his"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "back and push his disc back into place"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "he could walk fine after that now even"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "though Sam tried to bless the home a"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "couple more times it didn't seem to work"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "likely due to the sin among the renters"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "who came and went he went through more"}, {"end": "00:32:21", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "spiritual warfare besides all the issues"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "with his home this involved his sister"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:21", "text": "Tiffany when she got really sick and was"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "dying and so that night Sam did a risky"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "prayer called an in the gap prayer where"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "you ask God to use your spirit your soul"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "to defend a loved one that night when he"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "went to sleep he saw himself in a white"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "glowing robe with a sword of fire"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "walking in a dark dead place with ground"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "like black volcanic rock moving through"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "a crowd of demons in the darkness kept"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "at Bay Only By the Light of his robe he"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "could hear the growling like a chorus a"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "Sam was guided to who he was looking for"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "a demon about 12 13 ft tall built like a"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "bodybuilder with six fingers and six"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "toes with claws skin like green snot"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "long horns where its ear should be and a"}, {"end": "00:33:09", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "skull face with serrated teeth he leapt"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "in the air and cut it in half and it"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:09", "text": "toppled to the ground when it started to"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "pull itself back together Sam called out"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "to Heaven above and a bright light came"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "down in a beam focused on this thing it"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "turned into black goo and sucked into a"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "hole in the ground Sam woke up that"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "morning covered in sweat having never"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "experienced anything like that before it"}, {"end": "00:33:33", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "felt so real when he called about his"}, {"end": "00:33:35", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "sister amazingly she was awake and was"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "recovering 2 months later she got"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:35", "text": "baptized and stopped all the Witchcraft"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "now back at Sam's house the final straw"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "was what Sam called succubus attacks"}, {"end": "00:33:47", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "which happened often when they did it"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "felt real only after shaking himself"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:47", "text": "back to full Consciousness did he"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "understand it wasn't real still he was"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "always severely drained and in one"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "incident in particular he thought he"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "woke up and was sitting on his bed his"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "door opened and he saw the silhouette of"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "his ex-wife in the light of the door she"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "always had a very noticeable figure and"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "she walked toward him got into the bed"}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "and he laid down with her she cuddled up"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "to his back and he could feel everything"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "and so he finally half turned to face"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "her and her face turned out to be an"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "empty hole he screamed and tried to get"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "up but she locked onto him like a crab"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "with strength greater than his all four"}, {"end": "00:34:26", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "limbs gripping him while he could feel"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "lots of energy draining out of his lower"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:26", "text": "spine into her body he tried to turn the"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "side side lamp on but there was no light"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "bulb he finally cried out to God for"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "help and suddenly she was gone and he"}, {"end": "00:34:40", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "snapped up to a sitting position covered"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "in sweat his sister had always warned"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:40", "text": "that his ex had a dark Aura probably"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "from being involved with a gang"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "execution and who knows what else up in"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "Chicago she had drunkenly attempted to"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "attack him over the years as well after"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "recovering from this terrible experience"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "Sam spent a lot of time researching and"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "eventually found a Deliverance pastor"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "bill snellin with a lot of experience"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "since he used to be deep into the occult"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "in his younger years and so after"}, {"end": "00:35:09", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "finding out more about prayer cleansings"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "Sam did a prayer specifically asking for"}, {"end": "00:35:13", "start": "00:35:09", "text": "soul Severance ties and all ties to"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "everyone he's ever slept with"}, {"end": "00:35:19", "start": "00:35:13", "text": "specifically his ex-wife afterward he"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "felt a huge weight lifted off of him Sam"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:19", "text": "decided to leave the house alone because"}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "of the people coming and going and just"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "focus on blessing his studio apartment"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "and anointing it with blessed oil on all"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "sides windows and doors one morning he"}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "noticed it was so quiet and thought"}, {"end": "00:35:37", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "where are the crows he looked outside at"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "the back door and saw six of them"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:37", "text": "sitting on the branch of a tree just"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "beyond his property line quiet and"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "reserved and staying away this seemed to"}, {"end": "00:35:49", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "work for some time but sadly he still"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "kept getting complaints and bad luck"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:49", "text": "from renters eventually one couple"}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "robbed everything from the room in the"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "mini fridge Sam heard them arguing"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "outside his door just before they left"}, {"end": "00:36:03", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "and even heard a pistol go off he heard"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "the girl telling the guy no because Sam"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:03", "text": "thought the man was planning to stick"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "him up for his cash since he had just"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "got his weekly payments Friday night and"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "it was now Saturday morning Sam stayed"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "inside quietly waiting and heard them"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "walk away he waited a while longer and"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "then got a bat and went to check the"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "house and they were long gone with all"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "the Furnishings now at this point he was"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "done with this place and by 2014 Sam had"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "met his fiance in Louisville by 2015 he"}, {"end": "00:36:31", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "was planning to leave she had this nice"}, {"end": "00:36:33", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "townhouse three bedrooms and two"}, {"end": "00:36:35", "start": "00:36:31", "text": "bathrooms spread across two levels the"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:33", "text": "first floor had a kitchen bathroom and"}, {"end": "00:36:39", "start": "00:36:35", "text": "living room while upstairs held the"}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "bedrooms and another bathroom it was a"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:39", "text": "pretty nice place at this time his"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "fiance was a poet and Sam wasn't jealous"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "because he understood that meant she was"}, {"end": "00:36:50", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "constantly connecting with all sorts of"}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "people through social media and at local"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:50", "text": "poetry events she would host shows on"}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "talk shoe and perform her spoken word"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "poetry at venues around Louisville she"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "had a charismatic personality and her"}, {"end": "00:37:05", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "creative work attracted unusual people"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "and experiences strange things often"}, {"end": "00:37:10", "start": "00:37:05", "text": "happen when Sam was with her odd and"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "sometimes Supernatural but we'll get to"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:10", "text": "that in a moment after Sam moved in he"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "began having these weird nightmares he'd"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "see these huge black cloaked entities"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "with several winged demons crawling"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "toward him he'd wake up totally freaked"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "out and eventually Sher admitted that"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "her 14-year-old son who frequently"}, {"end": "00:37:30", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "stayed with his father had the same"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "problem they had found a pentagram in"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:30", "text": "his closet apparently left by previous"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:32", "text": "occupants messing around with witchcraft"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "Sherry said it was painted over now and"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "she often prayed at night with her son"}, {"end": "00:37:43", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "and put a Bible under his pillow which"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:41", "text": "stopped his nightmares Sam began leaving"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:43", "text": "a Bible out on his nightstand and open"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "to Psalms 23 and usually his sleep was"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "okay after that though not always one"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "day while Sam was out doing his truck"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "route making multiple stops and drops he"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "pulled up to this Warehouse in town and"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "had the strangest experience this man"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "came walking out quickly almost like a"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "soldier with authority and confidence he"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "spoke to Sam like he was a disappointed"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "uncle or a father he looked at Sam and"}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:09", "text": "demanded what was he doing up here he"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "wasn't supposed to be up here why did he"}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "come here and he just stared at Sam with"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "such disappointment and annoyance Sam"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "was just like who is this guy he'd never"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "seen him before but somehow The Stranger"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "made him feel incredibly guilty and then"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "the man's voice took on this sad tone as"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "he said he knew exactly why Sam had come"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "up here it was over a woman wasn't it"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "and he just shook his head in"}, {"end": "00:38:37", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "disappointment and walked slowly back"}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "into the warehouse the whole interaction"}, {"end": "00:38:43", "start": "00:38:37", "text": "had this weird Highway to Heaven Michael"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:40", "text": "Landon Vibe Sam was freaked out I mean"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:43", "text": "the man could have been anywhere between"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "30 to 50 years old but he was a strong"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "good-looking rugged Man but Sam had to"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "go talk to him because he had to go"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "inside to handle the paperwork now the"}, {"end": "00:38:57", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "interaction was probably pretty awkward"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "as I can imagine and the man just took"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:57", "text": "Sam's dock documents signed them and"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "handed them right back and the entire"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "time gave Sam this penetrating stare"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "like he could see right through him"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "never losing that stare of"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "disappointment and after seeing all the"}, {"end": "00:39:13", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "stuff out of the truck get taken out"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "that was his cue to leave and after this"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:13", "text": "Sam began to have more bizarre"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "experiences sometimes on his routes he"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "would see lightning during snowstorms"}, {"end": "00:39:24", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "which was freaky flooding with"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "interstates completely frozen over he"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "even had to drive the 119 in Kentucky to"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "the eastern part of the State and if"}, {"end": "00:39:32", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "you've ever driven the 119 you'll know"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "it's sketchy lots of winding roads"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:32", "text": "narrow Lanes High Cliffs and steep drop"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "offs now back at home things would only"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "get more complicated Sherry his fiance"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "who is a very attractive woman and her"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "poetry on Facebook attracts a lot of"}, {"end": "00:39:50", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "attention but it also seems to make her"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "a magnet for weird people and around"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:50", "text": "this time she made contact with someone"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "who followed her poetry page on Facebook"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "he was a well-built handsome man around"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "their age Sher and this man had been"}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "messaging back and forth for a while and"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "even though Sherry was very street smart"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "and worldly having that natural Chicago"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "hustle about her she was also a devoted"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "Christian baptized since she was 11 now"}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "this new follower had told her he was"}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "also a saved Christian and over time as"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "they continued talking the man began to"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "open up more and more to her she would"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "always share these unusual details with"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "Sam it was just the kind of relationship"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "they had but this person seemed to be"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "doing quite well for himself financially"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "and that's because he traveled and did"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "something pretty important for work"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "although it wasn't really ever disclosed"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "what but during one of these trips this"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "man had gone somewhere in Asia possibly"}, {"end": "00:40:42", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "near Tibet and it was during these"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "conversations that the man revealed"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "something disturbing he explained to"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "Sherry that while in Asia he had"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "discovered a ritual from an occultist"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "this ritual could allow someone to"}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "shapeshift the man didn't share the"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "exact details still he made it clear"}, {"end": "00:41:00", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "that it was incredibly evil involv in"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "human sacrifice and selling one's Soul"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:00", "text": "he and his friend had decided to go"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "through with the ritual attracted by the"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "promise of power it would bring but"}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "there's always a very high price to pay"}, {"end": "00:41:13", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "for this kind of power eventually it"}, {"end": "00:41:15", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "started to consume every aspect of his"}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:13", "text": "life he would kill from time to time but"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "eventually grew tired of it he felt like"}, {"end": "00:41:21", "start": "00:41:17", "text": "he was losing control of whatever"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "spiritual Force he had given himself"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:21", "text": "over to after searching extensively he"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "found a Deliverance Pastor who"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "understood the reality of occult"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "practices and agreed to help him the man"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "said he went through deliverance and was"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "later baptized by this pastor but"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "sometimes this darkness and pure rage"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "would build up inside of him and he"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "would begin transforming into this evil"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "Beast the only thing that could stop it"}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "was prayer with such a claim Sam's"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "fiance Sherry was completely taken aback"}, {"end": "00:41:52", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "by all this being of sound mind she"}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "naturally thought this man was just"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "crazy she didn't believe him and made"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "the mistake of slightly mocking him and"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "so the man sent a photo and a short"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "recording that scared Sam's fiance so"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "badly she immediately showed them to Sam"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "when he saw the photo and heard the"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "recording it freaked him out too without"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "even having to discuss it they both knew"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "just from looking at each other's"}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "expression that she immediately needed"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "to cut all contact and looking through"}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "the man's Facebook there were other"}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "concerning photos where his eyes looked"}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "off and the way he appeared in"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "weightlifting photos there was just"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:25", "text": "something not right everything suggested"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "Ed he was dangerous and shouldn't be"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "crossed the photo sent to Sherry showed"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "the man staring intensely into the"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "camera with animalistic eyes that had an"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "unnatural shine like you'd seen a dog's"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "eyes his right shoulder appeared"}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "stretched from his neck displaced by"}, {"end": "00:42:47", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "about six in the muscles on that side"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "were grotesquely swollen like they' been"}, {"end": "00:42:51", "start": "00:42:47", "text": "pumped full of steroids while his left"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:49", "text": "shoulder remained normal he was wearing"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:51", "text": "a tank top so they could see his upper"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "shoulders clearly and something was"}, {"end": "00:42:59", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "wrong it looked like his body was in the"}, {"end": "00:43:02", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "middle of transforming into something"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:42:59", "text": "inhuman the recording was worse it was"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:02", "text": "like someone had taken a deep guttural"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "wolf growl and somehow mixed it with the"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "man's voice the man snarled with"}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "absolute hatred and disdain in in this"}, {"end": "00:43:15", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "inhuman voice and asked her how dare you"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "mock me how dare you judge me don't ever"}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:15", "text": "mock me why apparently they never saw"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "the man again after that but still the"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "reality of what they were 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eventually she got"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "involved with these Egyptian"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:12", "text": "spiritualists and high Masons and really"}, {"end": "00:44:19", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "started having serious problems these"}, {"end": "00:44:22", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "people tried convincing Sherry to make"}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:19", "text": "an altar to call forth the ancestors but"}, {"end": "00:44:26", "start": "00:44:22", "text": "she wouldn't shortly after this Sam and"}, {"end": "00:44:28", "start": "00:44:24", "text": "Sherry started having arguments more"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "often and his night mares increased he"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "kept seeing this awful looking multi-a"}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "appendaged black entity crawling up the"}, {"end": "00:44:37", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "stairs toward him it looked exactly like"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "the neighborhood devil from one of the"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:37", "text": "drawings on the show The Dead Files at"}, {"end": "00:44:45", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "some point she developed the ability to"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "read Sam's Mind by opening her third eye"}, {"end": "00:44:49", "start": "00:44:45", "text": "all the while they're fighting and"}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "arguing and things continue to worsen"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:49", "text": "they had seen this large shadow in the"}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "back room that would open and slam the"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "door one night while Sherry was working"}, {"end": "00:44:59", "start": "00:44:55", "text": "some unseen Force knocked her on"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "conscious and she fell to the floor her"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:59", "text": "spirit was torn out of her body dragged"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "up to the sky to the far reaches of"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "space and she was greeted by a second"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "entity both of them grabbed hold of her"}, {"end": "00:45:13", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "by the arms and tried dragging her into"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "Blackness at that moment she called out"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:13", "text": "the name of Jesus and instantly felt a"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "strong hand grab her ankle pulling her"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "back into her body when she came to she"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "was in a hospital bed surrounded by"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "co-workers standing there staring at her"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "and it's clear what happened to her or"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "how long she was out of her body but it"}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "physically shook her Sam had enough"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "after seeing that black shadow in the"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "backro on multiple occasions and after"}, {"end": "00:45:41", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "talking to Sherry he convinced her to"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "block all those spiritualists on"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "Facebook and explained he would do a"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "blessing to end all of this an older"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "gentleman she had been chatting with had"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "written to her telling her he wanted to"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "get into her mind and soul this was who"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "was believed to be responsible and doing"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "what he had done in the past Sam got a"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "glass bottle of extra virgin olive oil"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "prayed over it for a blessing went"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "through the entire house opening all"}, {"end": "00:46:07", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "doors and cabinets and prayed over all"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "the rooms closest to any open spaces"}, {"end": "00:46:12", "start": "00:46:07", "text": "Sherry's ability to read his mind"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "stopped too Sam did a prayer blessing on"}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "her an anointing of olive oil and she"}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "felt a great heaviness lift off her she"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:17", "text": "felt lighter just before Sam closed the"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "window in the upstairs bedroom the one"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "they had seen the shadow in before a"}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "blast of coold there passed through them"}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "and knocked over a mirror shattering BR"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "it on the floor at this point everything"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:29", "text": "seemed to normalize again for a while"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "but judging by what we know from Sam"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "things never normalize for long Sam had"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "to do an overnighter a few months later"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "he had a sleeper truck and one night he"}, {"end": "00:46:45", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "came home and he and Sherry had dinner"}, {"end": "00:46:47", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "and wine and they were really Tipsy it"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:45", "text": "was kind of a perfect romantic evening"}, {"end": "00:46:51", "start": "00:46:47", "text": "together you know and they went out to"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "the truck and did what couples do and"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:51", "text": "afterward Sam slipped out of the truck"}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:53", "text": "to shower inside the house things were"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "going fine he got out he was getting"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "dressed and all of a sudden he heard"}, {"end": "00:47:02", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "screaming he was trying not to panic"}, {"end": "00:47:04", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "because it was Sherry and he opened the"}, {"end": "00:47:07", "start": "00:47:02", "text": "door and Sherry came running up the"}, {"end": "00:47:09", "start": "00:47:04", "text": "stairs all frantic and crying and she"}, {"end": "00:47:12", "start": "00:47:07", "text": "ran into his arms and shivered and Shook"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:09", "text": "and after calming down she explained"}, {"end": "00:47:16", "start": "00:47:12", "text": "what happened she had fallen asleep in"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "the truck and had woken up to Sam's"}, {"end": "00:47:20", "start": "00:47:16", "text": "voice but it was talking deep and low"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "but it sounded just like Sam and she"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:20", "text": "heard the door slam and felt his body"}, {"end": "00:47:26", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "weight Shifting the truck she called for"}, {"end": "00:47:28", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "him but he didn't answer and when she"}, {"end": "00:47:31", "start": "00:47:26", "text": "finally pulled the curtains back she saw"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:28", "text": "nobody was there so she jumped up ran"}, {"end": "00:47:35", "start": "00:47:31", "text": "into the house and so Sam just did his"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "best to comfort her she eventually"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:35", "text": "calmed down showered and laid down and"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "Sam went off to work not long after this"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "Sam and Sherry moved to a different"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "apartment complex where their"}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "relationship continued to sour and they"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "eventually broke up years later after"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "talking to his mother Sam moved back to"}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "Florida he thought things had changed"}, {"end": "00:47:56", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "after all these years but he was wrong"}, {"end": "00:47:58", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "he came back and slept in his mother's"}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:56", "text": "guest bedroom room his old childhood"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:47:58", "text": "room his white Pomeranian a gift from"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "his sister in Georgia stayed in a cage"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "with his mother's dogs in the kitchen"}, {"end": "00:48:10", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "not long after his mother called him at"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "work his beloved Pomeranian Benjamin had"}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:10", "text": "passed suddenly and somehow the"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "veterinarian had no clue what happened"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "to him he was perfectly healthy and"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "happy until just one moment however"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "there were strange signs before his dog"}, {"end": "00:48:26", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "Benjamin had passed Sam had dreamt of"}, {"end": "00:48:28", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "his passing beforehand but obviously"}, {"end": "00:48:30", "start": "00:48:26", "text": "dismissed it now talk to his sister"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "Tiffany he learned that his other sister"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:30", "text": "Janelle and her husband had seen their"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "father's ghost in the middle of the"}, {"end": "00:48:37", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "hallway one night at their mother's"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "house they freaked out and fled to a"}, {"end": "00:48:42", "start": "00:48:37", "text": "motel another time his nephew from"}, {"end": "00:48:44", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "Georgia was staying in the guest bedroom"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:42", "text": "and was creeped out hearing small"}, {"end": "00:48:49", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "footsteps and giggling going up and down"}, {"end": "00:48:51", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "the hallway while in bed eventually his"}, {"end": "00:48:53", "start": "00:48:49", "text": "mother opened up about feeling something"}, {"end": "00:48:56", "start": "00:48:51", "text": "brushing her leg at times and feeling"}, {"end": "00:48:58", "start": "00:48:53", "text": "like someone big like a man sitting down"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:56", "text": "on the side of her bed she felt it was"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:58", "text": "his father and once she yelled and"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "commanded what she thought was his"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "father by his first name to leave and"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:05", "text": "not come back and the activity stopped"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "after years of study Sam believed this"}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "wasn't his father but a parasitic entity"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "known as a familiar Spirit now we're"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "going to fast forward in 2019 in the"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "summer Sam drove a local combination"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "Rock truck for a company based in"}, {"end": "00:49:27", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "Central Florida the pay was lackluster"}, {"end": "00:49:29", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "but he got home in a good time every day"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:27", "text": "after finishing up his pickups and"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:29", "text": "deliveries he got the call from dispatch"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "to head back to the yard so he went"}, {"end": "00:49:38", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "through Salt Springs and cut a right to"}, {"end": "00:49:40", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "head toward Okala at this point the sun"}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:38", "text": "was starting to set but there was still"}, {"end": "00:49:43", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "enough light out to see and he was"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "roughly halfway through the Okala"}, {"end": "00:49:48", "start": "00:49:43", "text": "National Forest right along the 314"}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "heading towards State Road 40 maybe it"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:48", "text": "was his intuition about everything that"}, {"end": "00:49:54", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "had happened in his life but something"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:52", "text": "in him told him to look into his"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:54", "text": "driver's mirror when he did he saw this"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "huge black cloud in the shape of a"}, {"end": "00:50:04", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "triangle heading right towards him now"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "the clouds above were flowing roughly"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:04", "text": "North or Northeast and he was heading"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "Southwest he started to panic because he"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "could see this thing flying in his"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "Direction and it was clearly unaffected"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "by any oppositional flow of clouds he"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "sped up to about 65 which seemed to"}, {"end": "00:50:25", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "match its speed he sped up to about 65"}, {"end": "00:50:28", "start": "00:50:22", "text": "which seemed to match his speed steadily"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:25", "text": "gaining on him now he sped up to 75 and"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "it was still gaining 855 and it was"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "still gaining he could just feel inside"}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "his body that something really bad was"}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "going to happen and all he could do was"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:38", "text": "just call out to God and rebuke this"}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "thing over and over again screaming and"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "yelling and as it got to about half a"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "football field behind his vehicle it"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "suddenly dissipated he gradually calmed"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "down enough and backed off the gas pedal"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "trying to relax even more interesting is"}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "that the Okala National Forest is"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "already home to many Bigfoot sightings"}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "and other strange things but let's get"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "back to Sam one night while Sam was"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "sleeping in his old bedroom he heard"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "something open the closet door and"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "Scamper out whatever this thing was it"}, {"end": "00:51:14", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "climbed up the steps to the top bunk bed"}, {"end": "00:51:16", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "and started jumping up and down"}, {"end": "00:51:19", "start": "00:51:14", "text": "squeaking the mattress Springs the room"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:16", "text": "was pitched black and he couldn't see"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:19", "text": "very well but based on the sound of its"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "movement it seemed small like a child"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "and walked on two legs this exact same"}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "thing happened through three different"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "times and he's pretty freaked out by"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:29", "text": "these incidents but despite everything"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "that has happened to the entire family"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "he did not mention this to his"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "80-year-old mother because she was very"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "dismissive instead he just went straight"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "to a camper dealership bought a used"}, {"end": "00:51:46", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "camper and parked at about 100 ft from"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "the main house he figured that would be"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:46", "text": "the end of whatever was going on with"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "everything happening in the world at the"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "time Sam had decided to slowly build up"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "an emergency supply at least 3 months"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "worth of non- perishables like dried"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "goods and canned foods in case grocery"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "shopping became difficult and he stored"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "everything in the Camper's compartment"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "including 10 gallons of emergency water"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "and a large bag of dry dog food one day"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "he checked the supplies in the storage"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "area which could only be accessed by"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "lifting the bed or unlocking a small"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "side door on the camper what he found"}, 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of"}, {"end": "00:52:45", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "partially collapsed on top like they'd"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "been squeezed with tremendous Force this"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:45", "text": "was definitely no accident but what was"}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "even stranger was that all the other"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "water jugs were covered in this brownish"}, {"end": "00:52:58", "start": "00:52:53", "text": "sticky spattering almost like Snot or"}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "spittle but nothing had damaged them the"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:58", "text": "Dog Food Bag had about a half dozen of"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "those same bite marks with something"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "clearly eating through each hole after"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "seeing this mess Sam did an absolutely"}, {"end": "00:53:11", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "thorough job of searching the entire"}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "compartment he checked it from the side"}, {"end": "00:53:14", "start": "00:53:11", "text": "then lifted the bed to inspect all the"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "way to the back there was no way"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:14", "text": "anything could have gotten in there no"}, {"end": "00:53:21", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "holes gaps nothing he checked multiple"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "times and mind you his camper sat a"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "couple feet off the ground over dirt"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "with no brush around it there's just no"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "visible entry point interestingly over"}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "the previous week Sam had occasionally"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "woken up around 3:00 in the morning to"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "the sound of something knocking around"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "in that storage area one night he had"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "heard something small and bipedal"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "running across the roof it seemed to be"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "messing with his air conditioner and"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "after it leapt off the unit started"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "making this irritating rattling sound"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "that would echo through the camper and"}, {"end": "00:53:54", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "make it hard to sleep after that he kept"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "having to clean black mold out of it"}, {"end": "00:53:58", "start": "00:53:54", "text": "eventually the air conditioner blew and"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "and he bought a new window unit there"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:58", "text": "was one time while on the phone"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "discussing spiritual warfare something"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "big banged into his window and began"}, {"end": "00:54:09", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "howling and screaming it sounded to him"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "like a cross between a screaming child"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:09", "text": "and a baboon it was Unholy and it"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "freaked him out he had never heard"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "anything like it before he didn't open"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "the blinds to see what it was but later"}, {"end": "00:54:22", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "after walking the property he heard"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "similar sounds and saw a huge"}, {"end": "00:54:27", "start": "00:54:22", "text": "intimidatingly large owl that had taken"}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "up residency in one of their trees it"}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:27", "text": "had these ink black eyes and harassed"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "him often at dusk and around 3:00 in the"}, {"end": "00:54:36", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "morning these sounds always happen at"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "night when he'd wake up in that kind of"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:36", "text": "Twilight Zone stuper but eventually"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "things would quiet down and he'd fall"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "back asleep most frightening though was"}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "one night he woke up to hearing knocking"}, {"end": "00:54:50", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "under his bed then he distinctly heard"}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "this loud muffled hello coming from"}, {"end": "00:54:54", "start": "00:54:50", "text": "underneath whatever was down there"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "sounded like a child trying to imitate"}, {"end": "00:55:00", "start": "00:54:54", "text": "that famous Seinfeld episode where he"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "says hello Sam completely freaked out he"}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:55:00", "text": "jumped out of his bed and ran to the"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "Camper's kitchen area and he stayed up"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "until sunrise just sitting and thinking"}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "what in the heck when daylight finally"}, {"end": "00:55:13", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "came he gathered enough courage to check"}, {"end": "00:55:15", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "under but just like before there was"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:13", "text": "nothing there he checked the side door"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:15", "text": "again still locked no way in no way out"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:19", "text": "now as weeks went on things did quiet"}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "down for a bit however one evening Sam"}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "went for a walk and lost track of time"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "and when he realized how late it was he"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "knew he had waited too long to shower"}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "and go to bed it was late December so"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "Sunset was happening around 5:30 or 6"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "and by this time he made it back towards"}, {"end": "00:55:41", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "his camper from the back property and it"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "was getting pretty dark plus it was a"}, {"end": "00:55:45", "start": "00:55:41", "text": "cloudy evening now for context there's a"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "storage shed by the rear of his camper"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:45", "text": "and a shed next to it that houses the"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "farm tractor between them is this small"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "Gap that creates a kind of dark alley"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "and Sam heard this low high-pitched"}, {"end": "00:55:59", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "snickering and laughing as he past this"}, {"end": "00:56:01", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "little alley looking over he saw a"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:55:59", "text": "shadow of something in that dark spot"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:01", "text": "because of how dark it was he couldn't"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "see it clearly but it was only about 1"}, {"end": "00:56:10", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "to 2 feet tall and had the outline of"}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "what looked like a pointed eared Gremlin"}, {"end": "00:56:14", "start": "00:56:10", "text": "head and body when he saw that he just"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "felt chills go over his entire body he"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:14", "text": "completely freaked out ran to his camper"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "slammed the door behind it and locked it"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "he just kept cursing himself for staying"}, {"end": "00:56:26", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "out so late on that property well"}, {"end": "00:56:28", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "eventually he found this chalk T lady"}, {"end": "00:56:30", "start": "00:56:26", "text": "who was also an archaeologist who talked"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:28", "text": "about all different kinds of entities"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:30", "text": "like fairies elves gnomes Gremlins other"}, {"end": "00:56:37", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "nasty little things like Puck waggies"}, {"end": "00:56:39", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "brownies and Stick Indians they could"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:37", "text": "all turn invisible move through walls"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:39", "text": "going from Spirit form back to solid"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "when they want to eat drink or affect"}, {"end": "00:56:48", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "things in our space and time since then"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "he does not go out walking late anymore"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:48", "text": "not after dark now not long after all of"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "these previous events Sam dreamed of"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "seeing a bushel of bluish purple flowers"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "one night but the flowers did not burn"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "he woke up confused about what it meant"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "but ended up throwing it in the back of"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "his mental Rolodex and going to work we"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "can probably guess from everything in"}, {"end": "00:57:12", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "this story that his dreams tend to come"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "true and it happens that a week later"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:12", "text": "that home in New York you know the home"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "he grew up in the home that his sister"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "rented out everything that was going on"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "in that home it burned down even though"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "the outer structure held up the interior"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "was completely gutted with fire all the"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "way to the Rooftop where a huge burn"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "hole could be seen at the peak of the"}, {"end": "00:57:34", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "house in cell phone photos by this time"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "the house had a second level built and a"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:34", "text": "new attic after a remodel his nephew who"}, {"end": "00:57:40", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "was living there at the time woke up"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "just in time to alert his parents"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:40", "text": "brother and sister's family to leave the"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "house they all survived afterward"}, {"end": "00:57:48", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "Janelle and her family had to rent a"}, {"end": "00:57:50", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "house she took many pictures and"}, {"end": "00:57:52", "start": "00:57:48", "text": "recordings of the damage but one stood"}, {"end": "00:57:54", "start": "00:57:50", "text": "out inside the middle of the home in the"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:52", "text": "nook near the staircase leading up to"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:54", "text": "the Second Story perfectly intact and"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "not burned on a stand was a big vase it"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "was a gift to her from their"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "step-grandmother many years ago before"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "she died and the vase was decorated with"}, {"end": "00:58:12", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "bluish purple flowers just like Sam had"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "seen in his dream was her spirit there"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:12", "text": "protecting that area in the house or"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "perhaps influenced his nephew to wake up"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "early getting everyone out of the home"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "mere seconds before the house was"}, {"end": "00:58:25", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "engulfed in flames we'll never know for"}, {"end": "00:58:27", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "sure even though she was the one who"}, {"end": "00:58:30", "start": "00:58:25", "text": "gave Sam's sisters the Ouija board many"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:27", "text": "years ago it's doubtful she planned to"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:30", "text": "deliberately cause their family so many"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "problems this wasn't even an old Ouija"}, {"end": "00:58:38", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "board their step-grandmother had bought"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "it new as a novelty gift and after all"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:38", "text": "it is the old frequently used board you"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "have to worry about after a short"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "investigation Into the Fire nothing was"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "conclusively found as to the exact cause"}, {"end": "00:58:52", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "they did conclude one thing though they"}, {"end": "00:58:56", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "did conclude one thing the fire started"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:52", "text": "in all places the basement Sam believes"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:56", "text": "whatever entity or energy resided in"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "that house hadn't come through the board"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "the board had simply awakened something"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "that was already there allegedly that"}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "neighborhood was either built on or near"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "an ancient Native American burial ground"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "so make of it what you will the fire"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "must have purged it many people do use"}, {"end": "00:59:18", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "Ouija boards that don't have horrific"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "experiences like Sam's family did and"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:18", "text": "it's possible that where it's used has a"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "part to play but most importantly the"}, {"end": "00:59:28", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "board opens up a doorway for things to"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "pass through and attach themselves"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:28", "text": "there's a reason that people should be"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "taking it seriously Sam has been alive"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "until now he appears well for the most"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "part and he and I often correspond"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "additionally there's so much more"}, {"end": "00:59:43", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "information and so many other stories I"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "wasn't able to fit everything in this"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:43", "text": "episode but I feel like this does a"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "really good job of conveying Sam's"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "journey and because you guys made it"}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "this far into the video I want you to"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "all comment below wow so that way I know"}, {"end": "00:59:58", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "who made it to the end and who didn't"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "and if you guys enjoy storytelling like"}, {"end": "01:00:02", "start": "00:59:58", "text": "this where we dive into just wild cases"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "of the mysterious and Supernatural what"}, {"end": "01:00:06", "start": "01:00:02", "text": "are you waiting for smack that like And"}, {"end": "01:00:08", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"end": "01:00:10", "start": "01:00:06", "text": "content just like this as always I love"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:08", "text": "you all keep an open mind and I'll see"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:10", "text": "you all in the very next video"}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "Somewhere above our heads, there are"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:03", "text": "things that we were never meant to see."}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "A family hears footsteps where no one"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "could have walked. A child witnesses an"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "impossible silhouette keeping pace with"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "their car. And a woman stares helplessly"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "as a strange gigantic figure leaves her"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "paralyzed with fear. This episode will"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "take you through three encounters"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "suggesting that we should really be"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "paying closer attention to what's"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "happening above us. I'm Josh Dinocchio."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "This is what lurks beneath. You won't"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "want to miss this one. Days before"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "Halloween in October of 1998, a man"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "named Hilario and his girlfriend Bethany"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "were sitting in the living room of their"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "California trailer. It was around 9:30"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "at night and they had just put their two"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "children to bed. It was the end of an"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "exhausting week, and not only did they"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "have Bethy's toddler to look after, but"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "the couple had just brought home their"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "week and a half infant from the"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "hospital. Thankfully, it was nice and"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "calm where they lived. The trailer was"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "located on the outskirts of town. It"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "wasn't exactly isolated, but it was"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "definitely on the edge of the community."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "While there were a few other trailers"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "nearby for the most part, it was quiet"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "out there, especially at night. On this"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "particular evening though, Hilario and"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "his girlfriend weren't expecting"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "anything out of the ordinary. They had"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "settled into the living room to watch"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "some TV with the lights off. After"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "making sure that the kids were sound"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "asleep, or at least they had been asleep"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "because after watching some TV for"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "roughly an hour, Hilario suddenly heard"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "something strange. Now, it took him a"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "second to figure it out, but when he"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "did, he was sure that it was coming from"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "the roof of the trailer directly above"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "the bedroom where his kids were"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "sleeping. When he first heard it, he"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "thought it might just be a branch or"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "something that had fallen onto the roof."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "But a branch hits your roof and the"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "sound stops. But this sound just kept"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "going. In fact, when he heard it"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "clearly, it was footsteps. It sounded as"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "if somebody had found their way on top"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "of the trailer and was now walking or"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "stomping along the roof. So, he muted"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "the TV and he looked over at Bethany and"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "from the look on her face, she heard it"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "too. But before he could say anything,"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "another sound filled the trailer. From"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "off in the room, both his children"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "started crying at the same time."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "Although the night was already starting"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "to get odd, this struck Hilario as"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "unusual right away because the kids had"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "just been fed. They definitely already"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "had their diapers changed, and both he"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "and Bethany hadn't left their room until"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "they were sure that they were sleeping"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "peacefully. All of this means that there"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "was no reason for them to wake up and"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "start crying at the same time, unless"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "they were hearing the same noise that"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Hilario and Bethany had noticed. By this"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "point, he was getting very concerned. He"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "stood up from the couch and went into"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "the bedroom to check on the kids. But as"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "he did, the strange sounds overhead"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "continued, and it was obvious what they"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "were. They were footsteps, and now they"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "were moving. Now, as he got closer to"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "the crying children, he noticed that the"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "footsteps seemed to be crossing the"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "roof. They were slowly leaving the"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "bedroom and now heading over his head"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "and past him back towards the living"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "room. So, he's going this way. The"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "footsteps are going this way. It's"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "almost like the footsteps were avoiding"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "him, like they were targeting whoever"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "was alone. But he tried not to dwell on"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "that thought. Of course, he knew that"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "all the windows were closed and all the"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "doors were tightly locked. And besides,"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "his number one priority was to make sure"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "the kids were okay. And thankfully, they"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "were. They were just very startled by"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "the noise. But as he tried comforting"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "them, the noises above him grew more and"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "more distinct. At this point, his"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "suspicions about them being footsteps"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "were confirmed. I mean, they had been"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "confirmed already, but it was more like"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "one of those situations where it's, I"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "guess, what I would call a continuous"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "confirmation. You know, like when you"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "see or hear something and you're like, I"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "think that's what it is, and then you"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "hear or see it more and you're like,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "okay, it's definitely that. And then you"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "hear or see it more and you're like,"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "okay, I know for a fact it is definitely"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "that and cannot be anything else. That's"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "basically what was happening. And this"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "is because now he was hearing what many"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "describe as the heel toe heel toe sound."}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "and he's rocking the baby back and forth"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "and patting the toddler. And of course,"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "his mind is racing. He doesn't want to"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "tell his kids about it. He doesn't want"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "to scare them. He's trying to figure out"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "who the heck is up there and how the"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "heck they could have found their way up"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "on the roof. And worst of all, what are"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "their intentions? The thing was is that"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "there's no way this could be happening"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "because the trailer didn't have any kind"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "of access ladder and there weren't any"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "trees nearby that someone could simply"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "climb and then jump up onto the roof."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "Even though the trailer wasn't all that"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "big, he wanted his whole family in one"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "place. So, he hurried back to the living"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "room with both crying children in his"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "arms. And that's when the footsteps"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "above him stopped. Whatever was on the"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "roof was now directly above the living"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "room, right above their heads. And by"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "now, it's not just the kids. Everybody"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "is completely terrified. And they're all"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "sitting there in silence. TV still"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "playing in the background, but it's"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "muted. And for a long time, the only"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "sound they hear are the whimpers of the"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "children as they wait to see what"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "happens next. All of a sudden, there's"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "another thud, and this one is louder"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "than ever. Everybody jumps, and the kids"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "scream, but Hilario realizes that it"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "didn't come from the roof. It came from"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "the front door. So he looks over at"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "Bethany and neither of them want to go"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "answer it. But the need for answers"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "wins. So he hands over the children,"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "takes a deep breath, and he slowly walks"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "to the door. He hesitates for a moment,"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "you know, trying to peer out through the"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "window. And he could see that there's a"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "shape at the front door. And so slowly"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "and cautiously, he opens it and he"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "immediately breathes a sigh of relief."}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "Standing there on the other side is his"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "own mother. and he's shocked to see her,"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "especially at this time of night. But"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "before he can even ask why she's there,"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "she just pushes past him and comes"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "inside. And she starts talking really"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "fast, asking if everyone is okay. He's"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "obviously confused, but tells her that"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "they're fine. And he doesn't mention the"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "footsteps. He asks what she's doing"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "there at this time of night. Well, his"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "mother explained that she was at home"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "minding her own business when she"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "suddenly got this overwhelming feeling"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "that something was really wrong. She"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "couldn't exactly shake the feeling that"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "her son and his family were in danger."}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "He tried to ignore it, but the feeling"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "just kept getting stronger and stronger"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "until she finally decided that her only"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "option was to drive over and check on"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "them just to ease her mind. She has no"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "idea why this happened. She admits that"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "it seems silly that she only knew that"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "she needed to get to them right away."}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "Now, seeing the terrified looks on their"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "faces, his mother's instincts were dead"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "on. Her son goes on to tell her about"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "the footsteps on the roof and how they"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "stopped right before she knocked on the"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "door. And after she gets over the shock"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "that her gut was right, his mother"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "insists that they all sleep in the"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "living room that night. Of course,"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "nobody argues with her, so they all pull"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "mattresses in from the bedrooms and set"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "up this little makeshift sleeping area."}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "Eventually, they all managed to fall"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "asleep. Well, the next morning, as soon"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "as the sun was up, Hilario went outside"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "to check on the roof. And everything"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "about last night, including the fear, it"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "all just felt pretty silly in the light"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "of day, especially after he gets a look"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "at the roof. He meticulously inspected"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "the entire trailer, looked for any signs"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "of damage or disturbance, checked all"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "around the property for anything that"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "might have allowed someone to climb up"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "there. A ladder, maybe something that"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "someone could have stacked up to climb"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "up top, anything. But just as he"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "suspected, there wasn't anything. There"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "was no apparent way for anyone to have"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "gotten up there unless they brought a"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "ladder with them and took it when they"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "left. But if that had been the case,"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "surely his mother would have seen them"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "leaving. It just didn't make any sense."}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "But there was nothing left to do. So he"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "began to head back inside. And as he was"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "coming back around the side of the"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "trailer, he noticed his neighbor"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "watching him. And she was leaning up"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "against the fence, separating her"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "trailer from theirs, just smoking a"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "cigarette. But she didn't look at him."}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "She was staring at their roof. And so as"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "he came around the corner, she noticed"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "him and waved him over to the fence. And"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "she asked if everything was okay."}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "Hilario is still very confused by what"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "had happened last night. and they had"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "some small talk and he briefly explained"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "the strange sounds they had heard and"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "how his mother had come over and you"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "know how they'd all been just completely"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "terrified. Well, oddly enough, the woman"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "didn't seem surprised at all. She just"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "nodded and she went on to explain that"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "she had seen it herself. As it turns"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "out, she had been outside having a"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "cigarette when she noticed something"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "moving up on his roof. and what she saw"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "was big and dark and said that it had"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "moved from the back of the trailer"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "toward the front and that just when she"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "thought it might be good to call"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "someone, it disappeared. Now, obviously,"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "this really bothered him and he asked"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "for, you know, more of a description,"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "but she just shrugged and she said it"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "was too dark outside, that all she saw"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "was that it was big, dark, and slow. He"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "noticed that she never said that she had"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "seen a person on the roof, just a"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "figure. She kept repeating the words"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "big, dark, and slow. Now, this wasn't"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "the last time that odd things would"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "happen at the family's trailer. Although"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "he never really shared much more. All he"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "said was that it got to be too much."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "That he and Bethany started to worry"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "about the children's safety, and"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "eventually they couldn't take it"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "anymore, packed up their belongings, and"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "moved out shortly thereafter. Now, fast"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "forward to today. Him and Bethany are no"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "longer together. But neither will forget"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "the night in October of 1998 where"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "something was on top of their trailer."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Judging by the intuition of his mother"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "and the descriptions of the neighbor, it"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "wasn't a person. What it was or who it"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "was remains a mystery."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "In the early 1990s, a young boy named"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Abe sat in the backseat of his family's"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "car, staring out the window as they"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "drove through the California desert. The"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "sun had just set and it was quickly"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "getting dark. In the front seat were"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "Abee's parents with his father behind"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "the wheel focusing on the road ahead. In"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "the back seat next to Abe were his two"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "brothers, both sound asleep, their heads"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "bobbing with each bump in the road. The"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "family was returning from a short stay"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "at a ranch near the California Nevada"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "border. Abee's father was a pool"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "maintenance professional. One of his"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "customers had recently purchased this"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "ranch. The pool on this property had"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "been absolutely wrecked by the previous"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "owners, and the new owner had"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "specifically requested Abee's father to"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "come out and try to help salvage it."}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "Since it was quite a distance away and"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "would take multiple days to repair, the"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "owner had invited the entire family to"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "stay at the ranch while the work was"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "being done. And while his father worked"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "on the pool, Abe and his brothers had"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "explored the property. You know, they"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "played games and they just enjoyed the"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "change of scenery. and his dad had"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "managed to save the pool and now they"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "were headed back to their normal lives."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "They had started the long drive home"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "late in the afternoon. It was really"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "isolated, just deserts and a few homes"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "with, you know, the occasional small"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "town every now and then. And since he"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "knew everyone else would fall asleep,"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "Abee's father had made him the"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "navigator. This meant holding the"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "printed map quest directions in his"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "hands and telling his father when and"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "where to turn. because this was years"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "before smartphones and GPS were really a"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "thing and you know you were forced to"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "use Map Quest or just use a map for"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "directions. After a while, Abee's father"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "recognized where he was and told Abe he"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "didn't need directions anymore. He's got"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "it. So, as the car continued down the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "highway, Abe began getting really bored."}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "Even though he had been reading up until"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "this point, it was too dark to continue."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "He couldn't really talk to anyone"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "because they all had crashed out. And"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "worst of all, the batteries in his Game"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "Boy had died hours ago. He was desperate"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "to get back home, trying his best not to"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "wake his siblings. And so he whispered"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "to his father and asked him how much"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "longer it would be. They still had about"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "3 hours to go. His father just told him"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "to try and get some sleep like his"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "brothers. But he wasn't tired at all."}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "bored out of his mind and doing the only"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "thing there really was to do, he just"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "pressed his face against the window and"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "watched as they passed scattered farm"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "after scattered farm. And after some"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "time had passed, they were getting into"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "more populated areas with houses. And"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "you know how when you drive through"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "neighborhoods at night, I don't know"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "what it is, there's just this creepy"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "kind of orange glow that's cast from the"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "street light. That's what the lighting"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "was like. And during this time,"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "something had caught his attention. Out"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "in the distance on the rooftop of one of"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "the houses, Abe saw a moving silhouette."}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "And he kind of had a double take because"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "it was the movement of the silhouette"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "that initially caught his attention,"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "which means it wasn't just something on"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "the roof, like a chimney or something,"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "you know, something stationary. And he"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "watched this silhouette as it kind of"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "glided across the roof slowly. But the"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "more bizarre details came into play the"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "longer he looked. He began to make out"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "that this silhouette of a person was"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "wearing some kind of hat. Either that or"}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "it was shaped really strange. And he"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "expected to lose sight of the silhouette"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "as they drove past. But to his shock and"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "disbelief, the silhouette kind of just"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "jumped from the first rooftop to the top"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "of the next house over. It didn't make"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "any sense. Abe could clearly see that"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "these houses were separated by distances"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "that would be almost impossible for a"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "normal person to jump. I mean, we're"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "talking about gaps of at least 20 ft"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "between houses. I mean, there's no way a"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "person could make that kind of leap. And"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "the silhouette was just moving"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "effortlessly from one rooftop to the"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "next as if physics simply didn't apply."}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "It was just practicing this almost"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "choreographed dance with each leap being"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "so graceful and almost elegant and it"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "was more or less keeping pace with their"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "car. But Abe had never been so scared in"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "his life at that moment and he didn't"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "know what to do. And even at his age, he"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "realized he was witnessing something"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "abnormal. He wanted to say something to"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "his father, you know, to point out this"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "impossible thing that he was witnessing,"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "but he knew that his dad didn't want to"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "be bothered. I mean, besides, even if he"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "did, he wouldn't take his eyes off the"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "road. Instead, Abe just watched as it"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "continued to move and jump from one"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "house to the next, always keeping pace"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "with their car as if it was following"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "them. Well, this bizarre display"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "continued for a while until the"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "silhouette simply ran out of houses."}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "When the neighborhood ended, it landed"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "on the final roof and squared up the"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "road, facing the car as it whizzed past."}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "Perhaps the most terrifying thing of all"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "is that this silhouette or figure"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "acknowledged him. As they passed by the"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "last house, this thing kind of bowed and"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "tipped its hat as if it knew Abe was"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "watching. And he even had the impression"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "that whatever it was had been smiling at"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "him. Desperate for confirmation, he"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "turned to look at his father. But his"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "dad was so zoned out and focused on the"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "road that he was oblivious. But when Abe"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "looked back, the houses with the rooftop"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "figure were now way behind them. They"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "had driven past that area and were now"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "entering a stretch of road with no homes"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "on either side. The silhouette, whatever"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "it was, was gone. For the rest of the"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "drive, Abe kept his eyes glued to the"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "window, scanning every rooftop they"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "passed, but he never saw it again. He"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "considered waking up his brothers to"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "tell them what he had seen, but"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "something told him they wouldn't believe"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "him. It was just too strange. Even now,"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "he still remembers the weird dancing"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "man, especially whenever he sees a clip"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "from an old musical because that was the"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "exact way this thing moved. However, it"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "has never reappeared, leaving him to"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "wonder if what he saw that night was"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "real or just the imagination of a bored,"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "tired child on a long drive home."}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "In 1994, a middle-aged woman named Kath"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "Hayne was getting ready for bed in her"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "small home in Wales. It was just before"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "midnight, and she had already brushed"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "her teeth, washed her face, changed into"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "her nightc clothes, you know, the"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "nighttime routine. And she did this"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "every night before climbing into bed."}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "She went over to her bedroom window to"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "draw the curtains shut. But on this"}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "night, as she reached out for the"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "curtains, something outside caught her"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:41", "text": "eye because across the street from her"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "home was a row of houses with their"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "rooftops clearly visible from her second"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "floor window. Most nights it was just a"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "sea of tiles and shingles, but now lying"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "on one of those rooftops was something"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "out of the ordinary. Initially, she"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "thought maybe it was just some debris"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "that had been blown onto the roof or"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "maybe some kind of maintenance equipment"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "that had been left up there. But as her"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "eyes adjusted and she focused more"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "intently on what she was seeing, she"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "realized that this wasn't a weather"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "balloon. It wasn't a machine. It was a"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "figure clearly. And speaking of clearly,"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "it was clear enough that whatever this"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "was was humanoid in shape. But this kind"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "of made her brain short circuit because"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "if it was a person, it was simply way"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "too big. I mean, we're talking at least"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "15 ft long. And weirdest of all, it was"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "lying on its back on the roof like it"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "was sunbathing just at night. Well, she"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "froze, her hands still gripping the edge"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "of the curtain because she wasn't sure"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "if she'd been spotted or not, or if the"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "motion of her closing the curtains would"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "get this thing's attention. Instead, she"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "just stood there and did her best to get"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "a better look, just taking it all in."}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "The figure seemed to be made up of"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "separate sections, almost as if the body"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "were disconnected from each other. I"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "hope I'm making sense. In fact, Kath"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "later explained that it most closely"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "resembled what the Michelin man, you"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "know, the the tire mascot looked like of"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "all things, except this thing was"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "glowing somehow. Not bright like a light"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "bulb, but just enough to make it stand"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "out against the dark Welsh night. This"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "faint light powerful enough to have"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "grabbed her attention. And so, she's"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "stunned by what she was seeing. And then"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "she suddenly notices movement down"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "below. It was a young couple walking"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "down the street without a care in the"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "world. They were just chatting and"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "walking along, oblivious to what was"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "right above them. But as they were"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "getting closer, and their path on the"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "sidewalk took them directly beneath the"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "home with a glowing figure on the roof,"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "she knew she had to do something. So"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "instinctively, she did her best to warn"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "them. She wasn't sure if what she was"}, {"end": "00:18:58", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "looking at was dangerous, but it was"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "definitely not normal, and she felt that"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "they should at least be aware of it. She"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "opened up her mouth to call out to them"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "through the window. But when she tried"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "to speak, no sound came out. She was"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "confused. And you know, she tried again."}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "She tried to shout, to yell, to make any"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "sound at all, but it was as if her voice"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "had been completely stolen from her. She"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "could feel her vocal cords straining."}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "She could feel the air passing through"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "her throat, but there was no sound. It"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "was like yelling into a vacuum or being"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "trapped inside of some kind of silent"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "bubble. In complete desperation, she"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "began banging on the window, hoping that"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "at least would get their attention. That"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "seemed to make some noise. But despite"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "her frantic pounding, the couple never"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "looked in her direction. They just"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "continued walking until they disappeared"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "from view, leaving Kath alone to keep"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "staring at this thing on the roof. Now,"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "she has no idea how long she was there"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "at her window staring at this thing. But"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "she thought about running outside to get"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "a closer look. But there was something"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "there that kept her rooted to the spot."}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "Could have been fear or it could have"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "been something else, like an invisible"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "force used by the entity itself. Either"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "way, she couldn't leave. And so she just"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "continued to watch as this thing lay"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "motionless. And what happened next isn't"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "exactly clear. It's almost like there's"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "a gap in her memory. But at some point"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "she thinks that she must have gone to"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "bed. Though she has no memory of"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "actually leaving the window or getting"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "into bed. All she knows is that when she"}, {"end": "00:20:28", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "woke up the next morning, the first"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "thing she did was rush to the window,"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:28", "text": "but it was gone. The roof where it had"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "been laying was now empty. But as she"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "looked closer, she noticed something"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "else that was very strange. Something"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "was in its place. There was a distinct"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "marking on the roof right where it had"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "been. And from her window, she could see"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "a clear outline that matched the shape"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "of the segmented giant thing she'd seen"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "the night before. Well, as you can"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "imagine, she felt like she was in a"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "days. She spent the morning trying to"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "make sense of all of this. I mean, was"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "it real? Had she dreamt it? But a dream"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "couldn't explain the marking on the"}, {"end": "00:21:06", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "roof. Well, she came to one conclusion."}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "She decided that she had to call someone"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:06", "text": "who could help her, at least try to"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "understand what had happened. She called"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "a local priest. He agreed to come over."}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "But by the time he arrived, it had"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "started to rain. And I mean, this was a"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "heavy rain, one that soaked everything"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "in sight. So when the priest arrived, he"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "was all wet. And Kath invited him in to"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "sit and get dry by the fire. She made"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "him tea and, you know, they engaged in a"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "little small talk before she finally"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "told him why she had wanted him to come."}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "She explained everything about the"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "figure and her inability to make a sound"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "and about the weird mark left behind on"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "the roof and all of it. And the entire"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "time he sat there and he listened,"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "politely sipping his tea. But she could"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "tell from his expression that he didn't"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "believe her at all. It was clear that he"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "thought living alone was simply getting"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "the best of her and that she needed to"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "get out for some fresh air more often."}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "So after the tea, the priest thanked"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "her, offered some crappy, vague"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "reassurances, and left. Now, she didn't"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "have any proof, but there was the"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "marking on the roof, but because the"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "heavy rain, she was sure that that had"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "now been washed away. So, after he left,"}, {"end": "00:22:16", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "she went upstairs to her bedroom, and"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "she happened to glance out the window."}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:16", "text": "Now, by now, it's kind of into the later"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "afternoon, and so the rain had stopped,"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "and everything outside was just"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "drenched. Everything, except for one"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "thing. Her eyes widened as she noticed"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "that mark on the roof. The exact outline"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "where this figure had laid down the"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "night before had somehow remained"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "completely dry throughout the entire"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "rainstorm. The rest of the roof right"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "was obviously just dark and drenched"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "with water. But this one area stood out"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "clearly bone dry. And she stood at her"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "window for a long time wondering how"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "this is even possible and feeling as if"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "she's just losing it. But beside all of"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "that, she knew that without a doubt,"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "what she had seen, experienced, and felt"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "was some way or another real."}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Unfortunately, Kath Hayne has no"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "explanation for what she saw that night"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "or for the mark that somehow repelled"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "water, but has a feeling that whatever"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "it was was somehow supernatural. And"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "because you guys made it this far into"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "the episode, I want you to all comment"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "down below, \"Get off the dang roof.\" So"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "that way I know who made it to the end"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "and who didn't. And if you guys enjoy"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "content like this where we deep dive"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "into cases and stories and just"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "mysterious and supernatural, then what"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "are you waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "content just like this. As always, never"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "forget I love you all. Keep an open mind"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "and I'll see you all in the very next"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "episode."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Will this be the mark of the beast or"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "will this be the introduction of the"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "beast system which will pressure you"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "into taking the mark of the beast?"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "To understand what we're about to"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "discuss, you have to know that the mark"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "of the beast is two things. First, the"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "mark of the beast is linked to money or"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "currency because the Bible says no one"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "may buy or sell except who has the mark"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "or the name of the beast or the number"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "of his name. So this means that the mark"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "of the beast will be the accepted medium"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "of exchange and measure the value of"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "goods and services."}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "Secondly, the mark of the beast"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "signifies allegiance or conformity to"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "the antichrist."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Revelation 14:9 to11 suggests that those"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "who accept this mark are identifying"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "themselves with Satan and rejecting God."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "Now that we've understood how the mark"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "of the beast will be the world's"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "accepted medium of exchange for good and"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "services, let's take a look at where the"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "world is heading in this regard."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "In an article titled global payment"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "networks are reading palms as the future"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "in retail,"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "biometric.com"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "details the following. Palm biometric"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "scans are joining taps with smartphones"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "and smart watches and pay-by-face"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "systems as an increasingly popular"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "option for making in-person payments."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Key players like Tencent, Visa, Amazon,"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "JP Morgan, and Mastercard are"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "increasingly backing Palm based payment"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "systems, signaling a future where"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "physical wallets might become obsolete."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "Another article by Channel News Asia"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "headlined saying, \"No wallet, no phone,"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "no problem. How you could pay with just"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "your palm in future.\""}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "Singapore. Hold your palm over a scanner"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "for 2 seconds, then wait a few more for"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "payment to be processed."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "That's how some Visa employees have been"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "paying for their coffee at a cafe near"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "Tanzang Pagar."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "When the Antichrist appears on the world"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "stage, one of the most simple ways that"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "he will coers the masses into taking the"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "mark of the beast, whether it's some"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "kind of chip or barcode, is that he will"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "simply control your money. You want to"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "buy or sell, take the mark, and you're"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "free to do so. If you want a mortgage on"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "your home, or if you want to rent a"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "home, that's fine. We can only accept"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "payment via the mark of the beast."}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "Now, a lot of people underestimate how"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "severe this regime will be. If you take"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "the mark of the beast, you have"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "literally pledged your allegiance to the"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "devil. If you refuse, you will be cast"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "out of society."}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "And people may think, well, I can easily"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "refuse and just find somewhere to hide"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "for the rest of my days. But this won't"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "be possible because you will literally"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "be unable to buy food, pay for your"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "bills, fill up the gas in your car, or"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "anything that requires a transaction."}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "You won't be able to do any of that"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "without the mark of the beast. And if"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "you refuse it, then you will have to pay"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "with your life."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "So what should we do with this"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "knowledge?"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "Biblical prophecy is for our benefit."}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "When the mark of the beast is"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "introduced, countries will present it as"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "a matter of national security."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "Every financial institution from the"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "banks, hospital, and even supermarkets"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "will state that it is a requirement that"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "you have the mark. Banks won't allow you"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "to access any funds without it."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "Hospitals won't treat any patient who"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "hasn't been marked. And supermarkets"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "won't allow you to purchase any goods"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "without it. The mark of the beast won't"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "be branded as evil. No, the mark will be"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "incentivized. Early takers will be"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "offered discounts and access to products"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "and services. Then gradually those"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "benefits will be exclusive only to be"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "available for the marked. They'll call"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "it modern convenience. You'll call it a"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "small price to pay until the day you"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "can't eat without it. Can't travel."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "Can't breathe in society unless you bear"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "the symbol. You see, when the mark of"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "the beast is introduced, the antichrist"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "will make life without it so difficult"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "that many will simply cave into the"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "pressure. People will feel the pressure"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "from society to conform. You will see a"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "desperate longing in the faces of people"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "who just want life to return to normal."}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "They simply want to be able to buy and"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "sell freely. They want to work,"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "socialize, and cling to whatever freedom"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "they once had. The price to pay for"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "this, a simple mark on the forehead or"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "on the right hand."}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "When the mark of the beast is"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "introduced, every lukewarm Christian"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "will become fervent followers of Christ"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "as reality sets in that they are living"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "through the tribulation."}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "When the mark of the beast is"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "introduced, you will see churches will"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "be split down the middle. Pastors who"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "once preached a sugarcoated gospel of"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "comfort will fall silent, exposed under"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "the weight of truth they never dared to"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "speak."}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "Some will endorse the mark. Their"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "deception will have no bounds. They will"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "call it a blessing, a new beginning, a"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "tool for peace. They'll say, \"God"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "understands.\""}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "And many will follow, blind and relieved"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "to no longer feel the sting of"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "conviction. But the remnant will rise."}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "Even during the tribulation, there will"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "be some who will persist in living for"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "Jesus Christ. You'll find them in"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "basements, in forests, in abandoned"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "buildings, whispering scripture,"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "praying, breaking bread like the early"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "church once did."}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "These will be the very people the"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "antichrist hates and seeks to destroy."}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "The world will mock them. Screens will"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "show their faces branded as extremists,"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "threats to national unity. News anchors"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "will smile as they read off charges."}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "Unmarked, uncooperative, a danger to"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "peace."}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "They'll be hunted not because they harm,"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "but because they refuse to bow down to"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "the man of lawlessness."}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "When the mark of the beast is"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "introduced, technology will become the"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "enforcer. Drones, scanners, surveillance"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "will be the eyes of the beast, watching"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "from every angle. Your movements"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "tracked, your choices logged, every"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "purchase calculated."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "You will not be able to hide in plain"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "sight. The system will see you and it"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "will ask one question. Are you marked?"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "Families will be torn. Fathers choosing"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "survival. Mothers choosing safety."}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Children begging to be marked just to go"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "back to school. And in that chaos,"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "hearts will break. Love will be tested"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "in a way no generation has ever known."}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "As you listen to this woman speak, I"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "want to ask you the question, could this"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "be what the future holds?"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "It's not illegal to be a Christian in"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "China, but is a catch 22 situation for"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "Christians who want to worship God in a"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "church. There are almost 6,500"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "registered churches in China and the CCP"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "mandates that all of them use only hymns"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "that align with the communist"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "principles. Conquerors must stand to"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "sing the national anthem and offer"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "praise to the communist party before"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "beginning their worship. The sermon must"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "be refilled and approved by government"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "officials in advance with any message"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "lacking socialist themes subject to"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "censorship. In addition, all registered"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "churches are required to install facial"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "recognition cameras, including at the"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "pulpit to allow the government to"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "monitor individuals could dare to"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "attend."}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "This is currently happening in China."}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "But who's to say that one day this won't"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "be the case in America or in Italy or"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "all around the world?"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "No use. I will never dream of your love"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "to take me there. To take me there."}]

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And"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "it's connected to something much bigger"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "than just hurricanes and climate"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "solutions. So stick with me here on"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "this. Reshaping the way you live through"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "weather manipulation is what Bill Gates"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "wants to do. So, let's start with this."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "Back in 2009, Bill Gates puts his name"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "on a patent for controlling hurricanes."}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "Yes, you can't make this stuff up on"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "hurricanes. Watch. When you hear the"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "name Bill Gates, you probably think"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "Microsoft founder, but now the"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "billionaire may be known as the"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "hurricane tamer. Gates is listed as one"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "of 13 inventors on a patent filed for"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "hurricane prevention methods. Gates and"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "his team plan to use a fleet of ships to"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "cool warm surface water by mixing it"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "with colder water from greater depths."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "They hope this will sap energy from"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "growing storms leading to weaker, less"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "devastating hurricanes."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": ">> What could go wrong when Bill Gates"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "becomes a hurricane tamer"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> and does it under the opaces of trying"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "to downsize this the the level of this?"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": ">> He want also wants to minimize the"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "effects of the sun as well. That's"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "another patent we've talked about. He"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "actually has said that. This is not"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "crazy talk."}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": ">> You know, Bill Gates, Microsoft, super"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "rich. Well, now he wants to dim the sun."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": ">> Good lord. Trust the major benefactors"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "of wasteful consumer capitalism to sit"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "around and ponder how to reduce the"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "damages caused by wasteful consumption"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "and arrive at literally dimming the sun."}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Want to use a balloon to send a small"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "amount of aerosols out in the atmosphere"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "which will reflect sunlight away from"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "Earth. rather than perhaps considering"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "just reducing wasteful consumption."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "Well, we couldn't do that. That would be"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "very bad for the economy. Well, you mean"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "this economy? You mean that economy? You"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "mean the economy where giant"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "corporations and giant governments"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "actively and deliberately destabilize"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "huge parts of the world and artificially"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "induce poverty and desperation so they"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "can get cheaper labor and resources."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "where they use those resources to create"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "products deliberately designed not to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "last. So we have to keep buying more so"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "they can keep making more and selling"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "more because more waste equals more"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "revenue which means bigger GDP and"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "according to the silly rules of our"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "silly game bigger number is goodter"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "number thing is the economy doesn't"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "actually create value at least not for"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "humanity does it? It creates waste."}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "Waste of value. That is quite literally"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "the opposite of creating value. It also"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "creates globally unprecedented degrees"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "of wealth disparity. And go figure that"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "the wealthiest, most powerful people in"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "the world that derive all their wealth"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "and power from the way the system"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "currently is are so unwilling to change"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "the way the system currently is that"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "they'd rather make an enemy out of"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "reality itself. I call this enemy"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "the sun."}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:10", "text": ">> The bugs that are ground into a food"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "slurry for humans sounds like the plot"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "of a dystopian sci-fi novel. Well, it's"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "because it does. But Bill Gates's bug"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "philanthropy does not stop there. In"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "2021, the Gates Foundation donated more"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "than $2 million to an insect farm in"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "Kenya called Insecti Pro. They mostly"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "use organic waste to raise fly larvae."}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Flies, which they're using to create"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "animal feed."}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly that. Cuz they try"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "to look down. They don't like light."}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "They're going to go through the holes in"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "your hand. Oh"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": ">> yes, that is right. Even if you would"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "never eat insect protein directly, soon"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "instead of eating a grass-fed steak, you"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "could be eating an insect fed steak and"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "not even know about it. Yum. They also"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "raise crickets for human consumption."}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "And this farm is just one of many"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "already in mass production, raising over"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "1 trillion bugs a year to feed both"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "animals and humans. But bug food,"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "bioass, and insect farms aren't the only"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "things Bill is doing to eradicate meat."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "So, there's this company that was funded"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "by the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "They released 50,000 genetically"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "modified mosquitoes. For what purpose? I"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "don't know. But now, for the first time"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "in 20 years, malaria has entered"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "Florida."}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Yay,"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "malaria."}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": ">> But the conspiracy is the new mosquitoes"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "that he introduced were supposed to kill"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "mosquitoes that carried malaria. And so,"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "they were specifically designed to"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "combat those diseases. But we haven't"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "had a case of malaria in the US in over"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "20 years. And since they released these"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "mosquitoes, so far from what I know,"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "there's been five cases of malaria. Four"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "in Florida and one in Texas. A swing in"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "a mess, Bill. A swinging a stop messing"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "with the bugs and stop doing all this"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "stuff. Quit going after the Titanic."}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "Quit touching the mosquitoes. Leave"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "everyone alone. You know, Bill Gates"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "also owns like the majority of all"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "farmland in the US. That's a lot. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "that's crazy. It's like, yeah, why?"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "You've all heard the conspiracies and"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "rumors regarding Bill Gates, right? He"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "mentioned today in a statement that he"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "is going to be giving away $200 billion."}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "You heard me, $200 billion"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "and shutting down his entire foundation"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "by the year 2045."}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "There are claims being made that he's"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "already dumped $100 million into"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "healthcare,"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "poverty, and even education. This was a"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "statement Bill Gates made regarding"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "the closing of his foundation. Take a"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "listen to this."}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": ">> This amazing organization with amazing"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "partnerships, you know, I want to"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "maximize what they can do. And and I"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "have no doubt there will be rich people"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "in the future. You know, there even"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "today there's many people uh richer than"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "I am. A very humble sounding Bill Gates"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "in that clip. Um but I know the question"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "on everyone's mind like it's on my mind."}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "Why now? Why are you choosing right now"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "to give away $200 billion? The claim is"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "he already dropped a hundred billion on"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "great causes. Those are great causes."}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "education, poverty, um, helping people,"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "and he wants to double down and drop"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "another hundred billion on that. So,"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "like I said, my question is why now?"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": ">> Bill Gates did not invent anything. The"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "basic program was made by some"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "mathematics professors in a college. The"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "office operating system was by a"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "software engineer and he bought it for"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "$50,000."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "He's built the empire by creating"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "patents on software and the first WTO"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "meeting in Singapore"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "gave him tax concessions which is why"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "all the IT industry moved to India. The"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "fact that Silicon Valley became India"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "Silicon Valley is because they could"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "save $40 billion annually by ch pay"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "paying lower"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "um wages for the same work. It was an"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "outsourcing of software all for Bill"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "Gates. And then he started to put some"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "of his money into philanthropy. And"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "everyone thinks, \"Wow, he's such a"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "generous man. He gives so much.\" But and"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "I've done an analysis in the book. Every"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "place he gives to is his former future"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "markets. Just recently,"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "Bill Gates announced that he will be"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "spending 20 I'm sorry, $200 billion over"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "the next 20 years uh on on Gates"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Foundation grants. So, $200 billion. So,"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "the Gates Foundation is basically"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "stepping up to become the new big daddy"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "USAID for all these issues. And the"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "Gates Foundation is all funds a huge"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "amount of this censorship work. $200"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "billion is just a huge amount to think"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "about. I mean, unfathomable. USA ID is a"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "$44 billion annual budget, which is a"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "huge amount of money. But the Gates"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "Foundation is now going to have 200"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "billion. Now, that's over 20 years."}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "That's 20 billion a year. And that was"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "just announced last month, but at least"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "now they'll have to pay for it."}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:22", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. Him and Elon were going at it"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "cuz Elon cut a bunch of his funding with"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "Doge, right? And in fact, I'm I one of"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "the first things that my organization"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "did was an analysis of the 26 NGO threat"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "letter that was sent to Elon Musk uh"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "right after he announced the acquisition"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "of X in between acquisition and closing."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "You may remember he got this mysterious"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "threat letter that that if you if you go"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "through with your stated intended"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "threats to cut the trust and safety team"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "and to roll back content moderation, say"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "goodbye to your advertising. We're going"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "to work with the global advertisers re,"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "you know, the the Garm and the World"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "Economic Forum and the National"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "Advertisers Associations and all the big"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "major brands to bankrupt Twitter, you"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "know, as it still was at the time."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "12 of those 26 ideas were funded by Bill"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "Gates."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": ">> Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epste many"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "times. Despite Epstein's past, he was a"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "convicted when he was meeting with him,"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "but he regrets it. Look at this. It was"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "reported that you continued to meet with"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "him over several years"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "um and that in other words a number of"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "meetings. Um what did you do when you"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "found out about his background?"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Now he did not see this question coming"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "because Bill Gates funds the PBS"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "NewsHour. Did you know that they didn't"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "have a science report? So he just gave"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "them a bunch of money. So now her salary"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "is paid in part or large part by this"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "guy. So that's why he's willing to come"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "on the show because he did not think"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "that they were going to confront him"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "over his Jeffrey Epstein garbage and she"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "did."}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "and you know, I've said I regretted"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "having those dinners. Uh, and there's"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "nothing absolutely nothing new on that."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": ">> There's nothing new on that."}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:05", "text": ">> Is there a lesson for you, for anyone"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "else looking looking at this?"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Well, he's dead, so uh you know, in"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "general, you always have to be careful."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "Uh uh cuz you could end up dead asking"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "these kinds of questions. You see him?"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "See that titan like"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "you? He's dead."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "So you better be careful. You know I"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "fund your show. I could get you fired."}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": ">> You never understood the first thing"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "about this. That's ridiculous. I'm I'm"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "not doing this thing. No, no, no, no."}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Somebody's confused. Somebody's just not"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "thinking. moves nowhere."}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": ">> You had to fight back intensely to stand"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "your ground and make your your position"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "and your uh convictions expressed."}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": ">> But he didn't like to back down. So"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "these fights would go on. You said they"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "could go on for hours."}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": ">> Oh yeah, that's right."}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": ">> They're just screaming at each other for"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "hours"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:58", "text": ">> and that it's exhausting. It's"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "exhausting. But that was Bill's style."}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": ">> Allan was miserable and felt he was"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "being marginalized. And then things got"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "a lot worse. He got cancer. One night he"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "passed by Gates's office and overheard"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "him talking with Steve Bomber. What were"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "they saying?"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:13", "text": ">> They were basically talking about how"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "they were wanting to dilute my share"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "down to almost nothing. And it was"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "really a shocking and disheartening"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "moment for me."}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:22", "text": ">> I was sick."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": ">> I think I was still probably in the"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "middle of radiation therapy."}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": ">> For the first time in four decades, an"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "American company broke ground on a next"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "generation nuclear power plant in the"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "US. The company behind the new"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "technology is Terrap Power and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "backed by billionaire Bill Gates."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "Nuclear power is carbon-f free, which"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "means it doesn't emit the greenhouse"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "gases scientists linked climate change."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "And Gates is building a plant in Wyoming"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "at a cost he estimates will be $10"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "billion. Terrapower's new reactor uses"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "liquid sodium rather than water for"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "cooling, which the company says makes"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "nuclear power cheaper, safer, and more"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "efficient. We spoke with Gates just"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "after he'd broken ground. How many more"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "of these do you have planned?"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:08", "text": ">> Um, and"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": ">> what's that depend on?"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:10", "text": ">> We have discussions with utilities uh"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "about building tens of these. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "you know, we really only have huge"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "impact and success if we get uh past"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "100."}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:21", "text": ">> So, Wyoming has to open before you do"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "these or"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": ">> uh we can start for five in parallel."}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "the final final approval uh from the"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "regulatory commission is out there in"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "2030. Uh and so that then gives you the"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "green light to turn the others on. You"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "can start the construction. The demand"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "for electricity in the United States for"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "the first time in a long time is going"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "to go up quite a bit. It's electric"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "cars, buses, uh some people use electric"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "heat pumps in their homes. uh and just"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "in the last year with these artificial"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "intelligence breakthroughs all the big"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "AI companies are saying okay we need to"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "build uh lots of data centers and so uh"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "if we don't have uh nuclear to"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "complement the wind and sun uh the"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "country will fall behind the demand for"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "electricity is there something now"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "beyond what we understand about"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "computers that like 20 years ago we"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "didn't fully understand computers is"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "there now another level of something"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "maybe we haven't even thought of it."}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "Maybe it's not even possible. Maybe you"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "know a whole different uh mechanism, a"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "whole different software and hardware."}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "Or is this going to be it now through"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "the end of time? Mostly what we're"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "working on now is the computer being a"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "tool, a tool to help us learn or find"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "other people with the same interests. Uh"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "eventually we may figure out how to make"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "the computer think, but uh that's turns"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "out to be a very tough problem. In fact,"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "there's been almost no progress made on"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "it. So, nobody knows when that'll"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "happen. Some people think it'll never"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "happen."}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:53", "text": ">> Yeah, we don't want them to think, do"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "we?"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": ">> Not really, I would think."}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:56", "text": ">> Uh, it's it's a scary thought."}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": ">> Yeah. It's too bad there's no money in"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "this, too. Is there? It's a shame. 20"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "years from now,"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "AI will have changed things enough that"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "you know the just this pure capitalistic"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "framework probably won't explain much"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "because as AIs both as sort of white"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "collar type work and as blue collar work"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "as the robots will get good hands and"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "are able to do"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "the physical things that that humans do"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "say working in factory or construction"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "or we'll achieve that and"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "we'll have a lot of the making the goods"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "and services which is always we've"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "always had a shortage a shortage of"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "doctors of teachers of people to work in"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "the factories."}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "Those shortages won't exist. 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So"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "I think basically everyone on earth is"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "going to want one and you're going to"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "have a bunch in industry."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "So that's why I think it's probably the"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "world's biggest product because there's"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "at least a market for probably 20"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "billion. It could be 50 billion. I don't"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "know a lot. So you know hypothetically"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "if Tesla was making a billion of these a"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "year at scale and at scale the cost gets"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "lower and lower. So maybe it' be like on"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "the order of $50,000."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "I'm just guessing there. And you know"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "that's 30 trillion in revenue."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Insane."}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:06", "text": ">> You know that's a long long way to go"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "between here and they're making a"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "billion robots a year."}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": ">> But I do think something like that may"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "happen."}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": ">> What would you say is Optimus going to"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "have the biggest impact on? Do you think"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "it's going to start obviously in"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "manufacturing or at what not necessarily"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "timeline but like where do you see"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "Optimus having the biggest impact?"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Well, initially would go to very high"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "value things. So like say somebody needs"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "a lot of medical care or something, you"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "know, often this could be like a 24-hour"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "a day nurse or helper to someone that is"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "quadriplegic or something like that, you"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "know, or something just really is needs"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "physical help. So that's the kind of"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "thing which would be life-changing for a"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "lot of people. Those would be highest"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "value initial use cases. It would also"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "be useful in situations where the work"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "is very dangerous or where there's a lot"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "of repetitive tasks. But like any work"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "that risks life or some kind of injury"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "would be a good initial use case for"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "Optimus."}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": ">> When you look ahead in 10 years, what's"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "more transformative? Full self-driving"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "or Optimus?"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Optimus."}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:25", "text": ">> Seems like that was an easy one."}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": ">> You've hinted uh that we may reach"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "digital super intelligence this year or"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "next. How will we know that we've"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "crossed that line? And what does one of"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "AGI what does day one of AGI really look"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "like?"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Well, I'm not sure. It may be less"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "profound"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "than the at least at first it will be"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "less profound but like AI has not done"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "yet is invent new technologies that are"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "useful. So it hasn't has discovered new"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "physics and it has not invented"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "technologies that are useful. But I"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "think that is something that will Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "If Grock becomes smarter than any human,"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "what role do we play? Are we co-pilots,"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "overseers, or just legacy code?"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": ">> Well, it won't just be will be many AI,"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "but there will be at least I think four"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "major AIs,"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "maybe five just in the United States."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "And so even if was not developed, there"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "would still be digital super"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "intelligence. And I I've been fighting,"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "you know, questionally sort of driving"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "hard on on digital super intelligence"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "for a long time because I wasn't sure if"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "this is a double-edged sword or a"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "single-edged sword or what. But it it"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "became very obvious after a while that"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "this was going to happen whether I"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "participated or not. So therefore, I had"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "a choice of either be a spectator or a"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "participant, but that it was going to"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "happen with or without me. So then I"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "think well I'd rather be a participant"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "than a spectator and I can focus on AI"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "safety which in my view is that the most"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "important thing for AI safety is to be"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "maximally truth seeeking which means"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "often like saying things that are maybe"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "politically incorrect but actually"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "factually correct and also there'll be"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "mistakes that are made then admitting"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "the mistakes and taking corrective"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "action and Proxil has a long way to go"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "actually truth seeking but I think this"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "goal is also consistent with inventing"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "new technologies solving medical"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "problems if you want to cure cancer you"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "have to be maximally truth seeking to"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "understand what the root cause is for"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "example so I think this is actually very"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "fundamental both for safety and for"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "usefulness and you know the the economy"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "of the future Sure. I think it's going"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "to look quite different from where does"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "today and AI and robotics in the good"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "scenario which we're working towards"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "trying to ensure makes that we do get"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "have the good scenario there will be no"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "shortage of products and services"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "for anyone basically anyone will be able"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "to have any products and services they"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "want. The productivity gains from AI and"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "robotics are just astounding to think"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "about. I think it could increase the"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "size of the economy by a factor of 10 or"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "more will eliminate poverty and it"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "really will be in a situation where"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "anyone can have anything they want. The"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "bigger challenge may be finding meaning"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "in life. So if the robot can do anything"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "that you can do but maybe better, how do"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "you find meaning in life? That's that"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "may be the biggest challenge"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": ">> when you think of the fact you know you"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "mentioned that you know you've been"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "holding off on really getting involved"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "whether it's participating versus being"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "a spectator and when you're thinking of"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "the next couple of years of let's say"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "not necessarily catching up but doubling"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "down and really focusing on it what are"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "going to be your biggest focus points"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:05", "text": ">> really it's making it useful and making"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "it safe for humanity and making it love"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "humanity essentially and being you know"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "you want it to be useful and friendly."}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "I' I've never seen any technology"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "advance as fast as AI and I've seen a"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "lot of technologies advance."}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So the rate of I I call it"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "and maybe this is a discomforting"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "metaphor but AI is a supersonic tsunami"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": ">> does not sound fun but"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": ">> in terms of exceeding prior technologies"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "it's like supersonic tsunami and you"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "really do need to pair AI with robotics."}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "Yeah, I think it's crazy just how much"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "it's advanced in just the past year or"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "two years and seeing how kids are using"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "it, using Grock voice, the companions."}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "Now, I think you've answered this"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "before, but what keeps you up at night"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "when you think of the future of AI and"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "now that you're doubling down and really"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "just going wartime mode right now on"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "tackling these issues. What is something"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "that keeps you up at night? Well, a AI"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "safety and making sure the AI is aligned"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "with humanity and wants to foster and"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "grow better humanity and you know"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "basically we want to be like if you"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "could you look into a crystal ball right"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "now and see the future to be the future"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "one and so I have this kind of like new"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "term for the goal of Tesla because the"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "goal of Tesla previously was"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "accelerating"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "the advancement of sustainable energy"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "which is like a very good goal and then"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "the reason I pursued that rather than AI"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "because I could have pursued AI from the"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "beginning was because I was confident"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "that sustainable energy was a"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "single-edge sword only like it was only"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "a good edge you know so we sure that"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "okay we succeed in that like okay that's"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "that's definitely good sustainable"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "energy by definition is great you have"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "cleaner air and you know"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "can run out of whatever the source fuel"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "is with with combination solar batteries"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "and electric cars then that's a that's"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "and you for AI like I said there's it is"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "more of a double-edged sword risk but"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "but I think it most likely will be good"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "it most likely will bring immense"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "prosperity"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "and you know it's going to figure out"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "how to cure every disease and it's it's"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "probably going to be awesome but I think"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "we need to be careful and not complacent"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "and and we actually be somewhat paranoid"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "to make sure that we have the good AI"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "future and not the bad AI future. So I"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "mean up front from a Tesla stock"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "standpoint they talk with autonom"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "autonomous cars and and especially with"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "with Optimus the it does go to to sort"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "of crazy levels. I'd always recommend"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "like looking at Kathy Wood and Arc"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "Invest analysis. They've been right in"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "the past and I think they're right this"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "time with a lot of difficult execution."}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "I think Tesla's valuation could be 25"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "trillion. I think that's probably"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "correct. If we execute well on"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "autonomous transport and Optimus, it"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "actually does get to a 20 to30 trillion"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "valuation. That's 20 to 30 times what it"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "is today."}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:37", "text": ">> Everyone's cheering."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:38", "text": ">> Math is clear."}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": ">> So just it's just a massive amount of"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "work. But I think if you do that massive"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "amount of work, that's what will happen."}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "But I'm pretty convinced that Optimus"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "will be the biggest product ever. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "So and then of course autonomy is"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "starting to roll out. Carolina but will"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "be in many cities in throughout the"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "United States later this year and"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "hopefully many countries next year."}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:07", "text": ">> So you've worked with Elon for over a"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "decade now."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": ">> How would you describe your working"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "relationship with him? And how do you"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "approach collaboration when he's pushing"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "for something that seems nearly"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "impossible?"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": ">> I think working with Elon's fun, you"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "know, to have a boss that understands"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "you at physics level, at engineering"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "level, super super cool. I imagine a lot"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "of CEOs aren't like that. It really"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "drives the culture in our company and in"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "our conversations that he's always"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "grounded in like is this possible? How"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "do we do it? What can we do? And you"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "know, I don't shy away from from, you"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "know, tough discussions with him if we"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "have to have him, you know, but what I"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "know is you don't go talk to Elon"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "without knowing what you're talking"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "about because he's going to root that"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "out real quick. And so I always try and"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "stay grounded in the conversations with"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "Elon and I found a way to communicate"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "with him over the years that we have"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "mutual respect for each other and like"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "he knows when to ask me, you know, to"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "push harder to, you know, make sure that"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "we're innovating more, but at the same"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "time like I think we've earned a level"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "of trust with each other that, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "he knows my team and I are just going to"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "get done. So yeah, like he's larger"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "than life for sure, but when he's in the"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "meeting room with us, I wish people"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "could just see us just like bunch of"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "engineers talking about shop, you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "super fun. The robo taxi is expected to"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "be debuted on a purpose-built platform."}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "What are the key design and engineering"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "challenges in building a vehicle meant"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "to operate without a driver from day"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "one?"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:29", "text": ">> Yeah. There's no steering wheel. So,"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "it's hard to test."}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:32", "text": ">> I can't imagine."}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": ">> Yeah. So, for it was kind of a fun thing"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "cuz you know when you normally when you"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "develop a car, it's like the first thing"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "you want to do is make the wheel spin."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "So, you have it on a lift and you're"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "like, \"Okay, the wheels spin.\" You're"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "like, \"Okay, now I got to turn the"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "wheels.\" And like normally that's easy"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "when it's mechanical connection."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "Cybertruck was a bit harder because"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "there was nothing connecting. So we had"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "to do a bunch of code in this car. We"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "were like, how are we going to drive it?"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "And like, you know, we have to like test"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "it, crash it, do stability control"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "reviews, do firmware development. So"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "like if you see the the RC fleet running"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "around with steering wheels, that's cuz"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "we had to figure out how to test it."}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "They're not for sale or whatever. That's"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "just a test feature only. And actually,"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "I think it's straight out of the cyber"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "truck wheel. So it's like not even a"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "bespoke thing. But that definitely made"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "it hard in engineering to design it to"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "to to be, you know, no steering wheels,"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "no mirrors, no brake pedals, no"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "accelerators, and then also figure out"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "how to test it. So, you know, it's"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "definitely a challenge. The other big"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "challenge I'll say is like efficiency."}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "You know, the the the W hour per mile on"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "that thing is super bespoke just for,"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "you know, getting the most out of every"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "dollar per mile. And I think that, you"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "know, having this balance of like, okay,"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "but now that a human isn't driving it, I"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "can take away some of the limits that we"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "put into cars because humans overshoot"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "because they their their steering inputs"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "and their braking inputs are aggressive."}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "And then you think, but wait,"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "autopilot's driving it. It might want"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "some of that margin. And so this balance"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "between how much do we pull back in"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "order to gain efficiency like on things"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "like the tires while maintaining an you"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "know a super safe super reliable vehicle"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "for for autopilot to drive cuz it's also"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "a driver. You know the FSD system is"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "basically a driver was a bit complicated"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "and in our first go and so like I I"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "think that you know it's going to be a"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "great product and it'll be super good"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "but I think we can go further. I think"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "we can do more. I think we can make it"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "more efficient. I think we can make it"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "ride better. And then I think you know"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "like because we had to like just take a"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "baby step little cautious step into this"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "like first effort of of no no human in"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "the loop. So ours during our prep call"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "you were talking about your title and"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "you know head of vehicle engineering."}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "That title is actually not quite"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "accurate cuz you actually are"}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "responsible for Optimus."}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": ">> Well yeah I mean like this it's a little"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "bit weird. Elon's responsible for"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "Optimus. Let's be clear about that. My"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "team does the manufacturing for Optimus"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "and testing for Optimus and actuators"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "for Optimus and vehicle engineering is"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "definitely a loose title because I have"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "all the manufacturing engineering. I"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "have all the automation teams. That's"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "like a strength super strength at Tesla"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "because we don't have silos of like"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "groups that like only work on you know"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "Model Y or only work on Optimus or only"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "work on energy you know we all are the"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "same set of engineers. And so I think"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "yeah I was joking. I'm like I don't even"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "know what vehicle like maybe at some"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "point I was only in charge of vehicle"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "engineering but I don't know when that"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "that ship sailed a long time ago and"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "it's been awesome and inspiring to like"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "be a leader for all these engineers that"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "that and technicians and people that"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "work with me and like I get to pres you"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "know represent them in situations like"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "this you know I think it's undersold how"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "powerful that group of engineers is"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "compared to what the rest of the"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "industry might be able to muster and and"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "you know I was talking to Sandy"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "backstage and just shooting the"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "about various projects and like it when"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "you realize how how broad you can go"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "because of what you're working on it's"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "like wow yeah that's that's super"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "powerful and that yeah I don't know head"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "of"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "something"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:55", "text": ">> you need to come up with a new title"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "Elon technocking"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:58", "text": ">> what's been the biggest difference"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "working on I mean obviously you guys"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "build the machine that builds the"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "machine but when you think of like"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "vehicle engineering to now humanoid"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "robots"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": ">> what is some of the either the learnings"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "from you know making a car to versus a"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "robot a humanoid robot."}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, I would say one of the"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "most interesting things about trying to"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "build Optimus and manufacture it is the"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "precision. The human body is amazing."}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "Once you start designing a human going"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "robot, you sit in the meeting, you just"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "hold your hand up and you're like, how"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "do I do that? You know, you move your"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "joints around and try and figure out how"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "to emulate that mechanically"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "is really hard. The human body has some"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "amazing things. The team I visited a"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "hand surgeon to figure out how the human"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "hand worked a little better. And it's"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "crazy to watch and see what the tendons"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "do and how the muscles pull them. When I"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "was growing up, I always thought working"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "on cars is a bit like being a surgeon"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "cuz you know got the hoses and cold"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "fluid comes into the engine on one side"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "and hot goes out the other. It's kind of"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "like a heart, you know, and it is not at"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "all the same. It's very difficult to get"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "the precision you need and the response"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "and the tactility as Elon was talking"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "about the other day on earnings call gen"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "3 the robots be quite a step forward in"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "those kind of things. What do you hope"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "Tesla has achieved that would make you"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "proud as an engineering leader?"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:15", "text": ">> I mean, if you had asked me this"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "question 5 years ago, I would have said,"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "\"Man, I hope we're still here.\""}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:19", "text": ">> Fair enough."}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": ">> Yeah. And so, like, now I'm going to say"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "the same thing. Man, I hope we're still"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "here. Because, you know, we take big"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "swings and sometimes that risk. It can"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "come with a lot of downside. And I think"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "we're in a big swing moment right now"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "with autonomy, with robo taxis, and with"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "Optimus, and with semi. I mean, I hope"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "those all work out, you know, like and"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "if they can all work out and like"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "usually we get it right and usually we"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "get it done. Maybe not always on time. I"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "think it'll be great on"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": ">> time. Elon time weeks."}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:46", "text": ">> It's hard changing the world, man. It's"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "hard, dude. Sometimes it takes longer"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "than you think it does. Sometimes you"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "think you're right there and then you're"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "not. And I think the next 5 years, you"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "know, we're going to look back and it's"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "going to be like this massive turning"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "point in transportation where be before"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "was like somewhat of a burden. And if we"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "can make it less burdensome and thereby"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "like more efficient for the world and"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "hit the mission then I think that'll be"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "mind-blowing. I see that future and like"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "I don't believe it's going to happen"}, {"end": "00:17:21", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "sometimes but you know what if you want"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "to change the future into something you"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:21", "text": "want you have to decide what it's going"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "to be and then just go do it. And that's"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "what we do at Tesla over."}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:27", "text": ">> Yeah. Not what's the most important"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "thing that you've learned from Elon? The"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "first thing I learned, and it's hard to"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "miss, but it became almost the founding"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "premise of our new firm called Future"}, {"end": "00:17:41", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "Ventures, is the power of a compelling"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "mission, right? I just I want to make"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:41", "text": "sure we don't underestimate that when"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "someone shows up to work at Tesla or"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "SpaceX or any of the companies, they"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "understand the long-term dream, what the"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "company looks like 20 years from now."}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "There are many startups for which that"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "is not the case, right? In fact, I ask"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "entrepreneurs always, you know, what"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "does your company look like 20 years"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "from now? And you get usually one or two"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "pretty diversely different answers."}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "either like, \"Thank God you asked me"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "that question. That's the thing I've"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "been wanting to talk about all day.\" And"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "or they laugh and what do you mean 20"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "years from now? I'll be on my third"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "startup by then, right? Like, this is"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "not my passion. I don't even have a"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "dream of where I'd be in 20 years. So, a"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "a long-term mission, you know, making"}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "humanity multilanetary, you know,"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "ushering in an era of sustainable energy"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "and transportation aligns employees in"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "the long term. So if you just say we're"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "going to want to maximize shareholder"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "value which is a very vapid and vacuous"}, {"end": "00:18:31", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "goal for a company and instibly that's"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "what they're supposed to do like no like"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:31", "text": "people are going to debate endlessly"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "well this quarter this year or this"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "decade which of these are we optimizing"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "because you get different answers of"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "what we should be doing and a lot of"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "disagreement will break out as to what's"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "a priority whereas when you have a clear"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "mission it aligns people and then you"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "chain back to the present and think what"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "do I need to do to get here from there"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "so that was one of them the second one"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "I'll just mention brief more more"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "briefly is what I alluded to is process"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "learning this idea a that the machine"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "that builds a machine as a metaphor the"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "uh rate at which you can run experiments"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "and that learning loop is the ultimate"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "determin of success. So even if gro"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "comes in later as a starting gun if it's"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "iterating more quickly it will outpace"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "others. It's sort of an obvious point"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "that you can't rest on your laurels of a"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "patent or a particular product being you"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "know just incredible and the best thing"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "since sliced bread. It's how rapidly are"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "we learning? How rapidly are we"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "experimenting? And I've taken that"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "lesson throughout all the investments we"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "make. We always look for the company"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "that has the highest throughput"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "experimentation like a a a rig that lets"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "you run thousands of experiments per day"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "in the biological sector that other"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "everyone else is taking months to do or"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "um the fastest growing organism for"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "synthetic meat. We have one that grows"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "from zero to harvest in 16 hours. So not"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "only is that great for cost but also"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "means you're learning every single day"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "you're running a new harvest cycle of"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "learning. So in a long-winded way focus"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "both in venture capital and in startups"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "I try to focus on process learning"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "versus product learning. What did we"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "learn about team size, about"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "communication patterns, about the way in"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "which things take place versus, oh, this"}, {"end": "00:20:01", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "product is going to beat that product,"}, {"end": "00:20:03", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "right? Any given artifact focus and that"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:01", "text": "becomes especially important to AI,"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:03", "text": "right? This anyone model is just a just"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "a way point of your process."}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": ">> So, we know the the robo taxi launched"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "in Austin. Elon's commented publicly"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "about, you know, coming to the Bay Area"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "at some point. What do you think are the"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "biggest societal and regulatory hurdles"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "that they'll face to just get this to"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "the rest of the United States? Yeah. So,"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "the biggest societal one for me is that"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "this is I think the one of the purest"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "and most extreme examples of an"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "experienced good. I I alluded to it"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "earlier. It says like getting an"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "electric car for the first time, a Tesla"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "in particular, be like, \"Oh, I get it."}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "It's not like a golf cart. I get that"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "it's completely different.\" and oh and"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "it's oh it's more roomy and it's safer"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "and it has better handling has every"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "parameter I could possibly care about is"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "better like it doesn't matter how much"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "you've read that until you've been in"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "one you don't fully believe it is my"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "belief and I think that's true for Tesla"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "cars I think it's even more true for"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "full self-driving the beauty about robo"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "taxis as an aside is I think well let me"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "first mention the challenge I think the"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "biggest societal challenge is that"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "people are afraid I was just talking to"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "one of my relatives of my wife who were"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "just just earlier today and they're like"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "oh I would never get in one of those"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "like interesting right I'm like how do"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "you know like I'm very interested in"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "that point of view. And I get it. It's"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "like the perception that you're being"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "driven by a machine, the lack of agency"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "and control is scary at first until"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "you've experienced it. And I believe the"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "the beauty of starting in urban"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "environments is that if you're driving"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "less than 35 mph, you're more willing to"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "like, well, let's see what it's all"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "about. And then you're like, wo, it's"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "magical. It's like dealing with all"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "these bizarre edge cases of pedestrians"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "doing crazy things and whatever you"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "might run into. So, I do think the robo"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "taxi is a lovely sneak play to get"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "people socially past the biggest"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "barrier, which is fear of the future,"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "fear of robots managing your driving,"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "right? And you can ask the same question"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "with with airplanes, by the way. Be"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "like, would you prefer full autopilot"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "and no cockpit in your plane? Right? And"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "there is no doubt that for like probably"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "10 years now, that would be much safer"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "than anything else that's flying. Get"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "rid of the pilots. But for pilots"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "unions, we might do that. The Airbus"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "planes have been able to fly fully"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "autonomously. And the only challenge is"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "taxing on runways, which is back to"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "normal autonomous driving challenge, not"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "airborne challenge. Many, many reasons"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "why that you could get rid of the TSA."}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "There's all these downstream benefits if"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "you just get rid of pilots, by the way."}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "But but think about societal reaction."}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "How many people would take that first"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "flight? I don't know. If it's Boeing,"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "maybe I wouldn't take the first flight,"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "but you know, at least I have some risk"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "aversion. Um, just a little bit, as my"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "wife would say, just a tiny bit of risk"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "aversion. But coming back then so that's"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "the societal one but I think it's"}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "addressable by so the beauty my point is"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "robo taxis address the biggest societal"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "challenge in my opinion regulatory is"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "interesting I don't know when it's going"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "to come so there can be sort of petty"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "low-level regulatory capture where"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "somebody who stands to lose has bought"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "off a politician that then passes laws"}, {"end": "00:22:48", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "to prevent competition. So you see this"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "in the dealer dealer networks with"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:48", "text": "Tesla. It's like patently obvious uh how"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "how corrupt that is. And I mean corrupt"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "in you know in traditional American"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "politics sense of the word. Um it you"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "would expect that. Who knows where it'll"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "come up? You know, who's going to feel"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "threatened? The place where I think"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "longer term the people might find some"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:03", "text": "leverage in making regulatory attacks"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "kind of like the pilot union is labor."}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "There were some analysis that we did"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "about four or five years ago in the"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "context of robotics and AI where we"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "tabulated that globally if you look at"}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "people who have a job and we're"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "excluding from this seasonal workers,"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "migrant workers, someone who you know so"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "basically have a job that that goes from"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "year to year continuously like a"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "continuous job. Um, most people don't"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "have jobs. You know, children,"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "subsistance, farmers, you name it. But"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "of those who have a job, around 19% of"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "the people globally drive for a living."}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "It's like 19% of global employment. And"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "that's all going away from my earlier"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "point of the Neville future. So, will it"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "come up first in long-distance trucking?"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "Will it come up first in taxis? I mean,"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "taxi drivers are still fighting Uber"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "tooth and nail and all kinds of Right."}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "Another example of regulatory capture."}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "There's a lot of places in Europe where"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "they're just ridiculous barriers put up"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "for Uber. So that silly games which"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:56", "text": "again I can't predict when and how any"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "of that's going to resolve the next 5"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "years but 500 years from now we'll be"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "past it. So that's the inevitable future"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "is it's going to be fully autonomous."}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:04", "text": ">> You've long championed AI. Uh where did"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "you see the intersection of intelligence"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "and autonomy heading with Tesla's"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "Optimus as an example?"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": ">> Yeah it's it's a great question. So you"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "know I won't repeat myself but you know"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "obviously all vehicles will be"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "autonomous. It's a software stack. the"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "the way the reason you'll buy car A"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "versus car B or rent it or get your put"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "your bus life in the trust of it will be"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "based on the software stack. It won't be"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "based on any hardware differentiation."}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "It's important real these single and"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "primary and then and eventually single"}, {"end": "00:24:39", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "purchase criteria whether as a service"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "or as a as a product. Okay. But then it"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:39", "text": "branches outward. So I think in the case"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "of Tesla, they had this interesting"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "transition back when I was still on the"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "board where they realized, wow, we got"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "this vision system and they were"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "looking, we're talking to like the the"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "major automotive big industrial armed"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "robot companies of which there just tons"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "of these robots in the manufacturing"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "plant more and they're more dense"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "packing around Model 3 production than"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:24:57", "text": "you could ever imagine. Yet they just"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "seem so unintelligent. They don't"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "recognize when there's obstacles. They"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "don't see what's going on. So why don't"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "we just put a camera on each arm and"}, {"end": "00:25:10", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "these use this the software stack to"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "start treating each robot arm like a"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:10", "text": "autonomous vehicle in 3D space and uh I"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "think that led the thinking be like okay"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "that that's nice and maybe within the"}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "bowels of of the machine there are"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "robotic optimizations that Tesla's"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "pioneering but then to think of this"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "humanoid product I think has come from"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "the brainstorming of both the XAI side"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "of like wow what's the future of AI as"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "well as the Tesla side which is the"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "biggest unsolved problems in AI largely"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "revolve around being embodied, having a"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "sense of presence in the world, that to"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "truly be a an intelligence that"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "understands physics, kinematics. This"}, {"end": "00:25:46", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "will help, by the way, the models that"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "run in the car as well. So, I see the"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "trajectory of something, let me have an"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "intuitive sense for its trajectory in my"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "3D rendering of the world. That's hard"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "to do if you don't have any 3D data that"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "you're dealing with. And so this has"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "been a challenge in robotics data we"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "call it meaning how do I get the"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "training sets to make embodied robots"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "even useful in the smallest way. Um and"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "by the way the dancing that they can do"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "these show off things that's easy to"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "like you know oneshot program from"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "simulation to actually interact"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "dynamically with the world you need to"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "have a physical model of the world. So,"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "in a long-winded way, getting these"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "robots into certain use cases and then"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "eventually into general circulation"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "helps the entire stack of AGI, I"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "believe, not just AI and robotics, but"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "AGI as well. At least in a way that we"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "can relate to as opposed to a super"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "intelligence that's so alien we can't"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "even conceptualize its existence. It's"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "it's if it lives and works amongst the"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "world as we know it, it's probably going"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "to end up being more intuitively"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "understandable and translatable. Um so"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "in the future I think this becomes a big"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "part of the economy a huge part of labor"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "production manufacturing construction"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "eventually all labor which we'll get to"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "later uh in some other I'm sure there'll"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "be some forward-l lookinging sci-fi"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "questions. Well yeah related to that"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "actually right I you talk a lot about"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "the future right so how do you balance"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "that excitement about the future with"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "the caution about you know when it comes"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "to general purpose robots you know"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "taking over our jobs and may maybe even"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "killing us."}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": ">> Yeah. So, um, I it's hard to sort of"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "separate all the different sci-fi"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "futures. So, let me start with the most"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "provocative robots kill us all and then"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "come back to probably more realistic"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "things to concern about, which is labor"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "um, and and the future of the economy."}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "So, on the robots kill us all, it's kind"}, {"end": "00:27:31", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "of a bizarre thought process. It's"}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "unlikely to happen in any systemic way,"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:31", "text": "but for an AI problem. So you could say"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "it is a subset of AGI trying to kill us"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "all. In other words, it's not going to"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "be some lesser intelligent robot that's"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "just meant to be like a Roomba rising up"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "and you know, right? It's obviously"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "silly idea, right? So the the the"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "sci-fi future I'm I'm currently holding"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "on to is is a bit oblique and and maybe"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "I'm the only one with this point of"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "view, but I don't personally believe"}, {"end": "00:28:02", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "alignment is possible with AI to to make"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "it a port to the cultural norms and"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:02", "text": "expectations of any given trainer that"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "says I want you to be just like us. I"}, {"end": "00:28:08", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "want you to have western values, etc."}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "You you can we'll get to this more and"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "but but let's just take as a given."}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "That's hard to do. But if it were"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "possible, if you could do this amazing"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "thing, you're gonna have many more"}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "authoritarian AIs than democratic ones"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "because China and others, I mean,"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "they're just they're going to comport"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "these AIs to follow them. They're"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "already trained them in in really ways"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "that you can see that's going to lead"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "some downstream problems. So my"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "insidious thought is I never thought I'd"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "be rooting for the robot uprising. So"}, {"end": "00:28:33", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "it's probably going to happen in China"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "first. They're going to want to be"}, {"end": "00:28:37", "start": "00:28:33", "text": "overthrow the authoritarian leaders and"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "we're going to be like go go go and"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:37", "text": "rooting for the emancipation. So I think"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "this sort of positive. I never thought"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "I'd be, you know, looking for the slave"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "labor of robots rising up in in the Thor"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "training regimes, but that's so"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "sufficized to be useless. That's that's"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "like more than 500 years out in my mind."}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "It's like, eh, I think we're going to"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "run into much bigger issues and"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "challenges for humanity long before that"}, {"end": "00:28:57", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "ever becomes a plausible scenario to"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "worry about. So, the realistic problem,"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "I think, is the rate at which we have um"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "dislocation of labor and employment"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "opportunities. it. I don't know for sure"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "what the answer is, but it seems like"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "the easy answer is oh, UBI or universal"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "basic income is the only way out. That"}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "you could imagine a future and this is"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "the way Peter Demanus likes to imagine a"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "future of abundance where robots do"}, {"end": "00:29:19", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "everything better than a human that"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "there's no need for labor unless you're"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:19", "text": "just want to knit a sweater because you"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "like to knit, right? to hobbyists,"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "people that want to be artists, people"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "that want to learn. We'd all be the"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "indentured rich like in the age of"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "slavery, in the age of um of surfs and"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "vassels, much of human history where you"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "have a slave class and then you have do"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "whatever you want. Be Aristotle, be a"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "painter, what have you. This could be"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "great, right? Spend all your time"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "online, scroll, you know, doom scroll"}, {"end": "00:29:46", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "till you die. But but that is in a sense"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "relying on a very bizarre labor pool"}, {"end": "00:29:50", "start": "00:29:46", "text": "that has replaced human labor. and where"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "do we find meaning and where do we find"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "purpose is going to be the biggest"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "question that that results in that. So"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "in that future though everything should"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "cost about a dollar a pound. Anything"}, {"end": "00:30:00", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "physical cost the same as a potato."}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "There's no reason there should be cost"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:00", "text": "differentials when you have advanced"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "manufacturing like that. And there'd be"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "very easy to supply most of Maslo's"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "hierarchy of needs food shelter and"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "clothing for almost nothing compared to"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "the economic output of the system as a"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "whole. And then the question is just one"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "of distribution. What does it mean? Is"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "it all value accused to capital meaning"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:17", "text": "people who own robots and zero to labor"}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "because labor is useless? Humans are"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "literally not good at anything that a"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "human could do. There are some uh how"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "should I put it? Um monoculture collapse"}, {"end": "00:30:31", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "risks with this which is human skills"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "might atrophy. Like does anyone know how"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "to do XYZ anymore if it's all u a model"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "that like Alph Go doesn't require"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "expertise to become better than a human"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "in a single day? we we very quickly"}, {"end": "00:30:45", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "could lose our ability to do any of"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "these things that we hand off to the"}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "robots. So, a lot of deep thoughts"}, {"end": "00:30:50", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "there. I think labor is going to be the"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "big touchstone issue that might lead to"}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "regulatory hiccups. It might lead to UBI"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "or some new way of structuring the"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "economy where you don't have to worry"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "about your basic needs and you can still"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "be an entrepreneur and do better than"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "that, but at least you have your"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "baseline for humanity. How we get from"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "here to there, that's the biggest"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "challenge."}, {"end": "00:31:14", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "Show me the same"}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "thing. No use like this. I will never"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "dream of your love to take me there."}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:26", "text": "Take me there."}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "Heat. Heat. N."}]

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The Abalene"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "location, which is our first location."}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Abalene is a town on the western central"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "plains of Texas. We kind of scratch and"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "fight for everything good that comes our"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "way."}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": ">> I had people reaching out and they said,"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "\"Where's the president going to come see"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "you?\" And I said, \"Well, he hasn't text"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "me yet.\" So,"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": ">> I'm thrilled we get to do this in the"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "United States of America. I think this"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "will be the most important project of"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "this era."}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": ">> Welcome to Abalene, Texas. This is the"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "site of project Stargate. A very"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "mysterious, much talked about, much"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "speculated about project that brings"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "together OpenAI, Soft Bank, Oracle. If"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "it all comes together, building after"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "building on this red dirt behind me will"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "be filled with chips that'll power the"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "AI revolution."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": ">> What we're undergoing right now is sort"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "of the largest infrastructure build in"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "human history. It's going to create new"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "ways of doing business. It's going to"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "create new ways of invention. and it's"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "going to really drive humanity."}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": ">> So, the food and water supply are"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "tainted and poisoned. And instead of"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "doing something about that, $500"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "billion, I'm pretty sure could even feed"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "the world fully organically. Uh, we're"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "doing AI stuff. And you don't think"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "there's an agenda going on here?"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:31", "text": ">> Humankind could go extinct by 2027. And"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "that's what the AI 2027 paper predicts."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "And it starts summer 2025. And according"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "to this paper, this is exactly what will"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "happen. But in 2025, AI agents will"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "begin to book your travel, do research."}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "Sounds familiar. Well, is already here."}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "Open AI's operator, Manas, Agentic"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Browsing. Everyone's chasing AGI."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:52", "text": ">> AGI. AGI."}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:53", "text": ">> AGI."}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": ">> 2026. Enter the first generation of AGI,"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "Agent One. Now, they're designing their"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "own chips, improving themselves. For"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "example, UB humanoid robot that's"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "already replacing its own battery."}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "Today,"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": ">> we're starting to see early glimpses of"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "self-improvement. Faster progress, yes,"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "but less control because competition is"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "more important. In early 2027, Agent 2"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "will replace thousands of engineers."}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "Agent 3 will hide his failures and will"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "start to misalign almost like Claude"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "Opus 4 manipulated the results when"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "trying to blackmail a user. Then comes"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "Agent 4, smarter than any human, a"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "strategist, and decision maker."}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "Employees will treat it like a CEO, but"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "it's not aligned with us. It's optimized"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "for progress, not people, because that's"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "how we built it. Now the dilemma, should"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "we pause and fall behind or race ahead?"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "Of course, governments will choose to"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "raise"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": ">> St. Blues being the world's number one"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "superpower in artificial intelligence."}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": ">> And as Elon said, the most entertaining"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "outcome is the most likely that by the"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "end of 2027, we hand the keys to an"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "artificial god that's called consensus"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "one, the AI of AIS, and we get replaced."}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "That's what AI 2027 paper predicts. And"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "this is what VP Vance has to say."}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:59", "text": ">> I'm worried about this stuff. I actually"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "read the paper of the guy that you had"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "on."}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": ">> But this isn't inevitable. Wait, pause"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "the race. Let's not build a super"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "intelligence. Let's build super"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "alignment first. And as much as I am an"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "AI optimist power without alignment,"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "it's not innovation. These are the"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "emissions from an AI data center"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "specifically from Grock. Grock is the AI"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "engine that Elon Musk uses and um it's"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "not good news. Yeah. So, this was taken"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "through an optical gas imaging camera"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "which can essentially see the gases that"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "the human eye can't taken by Sharon"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "Wilson with oil field witness. This was"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "taken at XAI's campus in Memphis,"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "Tennessee. Now, there are 33 of these"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "gas powered methane turbines, of which"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "only 15 have permits at time of"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "recording, which is a whole other story."}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "But what we're seeing in these videos is"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "an awful lot of heat. Big consequence of"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "using AI lose a lot of machinery, needs"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "a lot of heat to power it. But we're"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "also seeing something else because if"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "you pan up, you see sort of cloud. Now"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "they can include things like"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "unccombusted methane, nitrogen oxide,"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "sulfur dioxides, and carcinogenics."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "Basically, things that are horrendous,"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "not just for the planet, but also for"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "us. Those things can travel up to 20"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "miles right into the doorsteps of the"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "people living here. What makes this even"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "worse is the local area is rated F by"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "the American Lung Association for Air"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "Quality, and the local residents have"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "been campaigning against this site for"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "quite some time. AI definitely has got"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "some benefits and will do certainly in"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "the future. But it also comes at a huge"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "cost not just to our planet but also to"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "our health. Easy to forget that actually"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "what you're doing on your computer has"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "ramifications somewhere else and these"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "ramifications are really being felt not"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "just by the community but by the planet"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "too. The sitting US Secretary of State"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "Marco Rubio just said that Maduro is not"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "the president of Venezuela and his"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "regime is not the legitimate government."}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "Maduro is the head of the cartel de los"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "souls, a narot terror organization which"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "has taken possession of a country and he"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "is under indictment for pushing drugs"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "into the United States. Yo, that is a"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "bold statement. That's basically saying"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "that Maduro, who is in charge of a"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "cartel organization, took over an entire"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "country. What do you guys think that"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "means? We've designated all these"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "different cartel organizations as"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "designated foreign terrorist"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "organizations. So that means that the US"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "government has the authority to execute"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "military operations against them because"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "like that's kind of like their the"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "loophole for it. What do you think that"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "means that statement? Do you think that"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "means that he's interested in militarily"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "getting involved in Venezuela or"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "something? You think we're you think the"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "war on drugs is going to go back to"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "Venezuela like it was at least in South"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "America during the 80s with when Reagan"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "was president? Cuz that is a that's a"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "bold statement. This dude Mike Benz,"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "he's done just ample amounts of research"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "into US aid and government corruption,"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "but he's been doing it for years, which"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "I had never heard of the US aid until"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "this year, truthfully. But it's been"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "around since the I believe the 60s. JFK"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "is actually the one that started us a"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "cover of humanitarian doing all this"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "stuff for the world. But what it turned"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "into is basically the proxy arm of the"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "intelligence community. Meaning like the"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "CIA, FBI, if they want to do something"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "overseas, let's say overthrow a"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "dictator, they have to get the"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "president's approval. And if they don't"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "get it or if they don't even want to"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "present it to the president, they"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "literally just walk across the street to"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "US aid and said, \"This is what we want"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "to do. Go do it.\" And they'll be like,"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "\"Got it.\""}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:33", "text": ">> And they stamp it with some like crazy"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "vague name."}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": ">> That was the joke with the millions of"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "dollars sent to Iraq for Sesame Street."}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": ">> That's US Aid. He said, \"US Aid has"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "influence on every piece of soil on"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "planet Earth.\""}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": ">> Said they're in absolutely everything."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "They're doing proxy wars. They're hiring"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "mercenaries. The funding of the Taliban"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "and stuff and how we've been sending"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "millions of dollars to them. That was"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "through USA. A really great example was"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "the major distributor of hair is"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "Afghanistan. ISIS and the Taliban. They"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "are utterly against her. And so they"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "dismembered all the poppy fields. US"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "aid. They put out this article of how"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "getting rid of the poppy fields would be"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "a economic and humanitarian crisis to"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Afghanistan."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": ">> And so if you do your research, you can"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "find that the US aid and CIA, all these"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "companies, they are a huge contributor"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "in the industry in Afghanistan. That's"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "probably going to get us in trouble."}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "Defending AI art makes you look really"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "stupid. Because here is the truth that"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "nobody wants to hear. If we let this"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "happen to artists now, everybody is"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "next. We're already seeing 3D printed"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "homes, no contractors, no construction"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "crews, no local employment, just a"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "machine spitting out walls while the"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "labor force becomes obsolete. Customer"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "service is now just made up of machines."}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "Copyrightiting is made up of bots and"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "design, that's all AI. Logistics,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "transport, education, healthcare admin,"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "legal research, every single industry is"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "being prepped for being phased out. So,"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "when you're defending AI art with it's"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "his money, he can do what he wants."}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "True, but what you're really saying is"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "it's okay to erase the bottom line as"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "long as the guy on top is rich enough to"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "do it. This isn't about creativity"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "evolving at all. This is about skipping"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "over humans entirely, choosing"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "convenience over community, and doing it"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "publicly like it's a flex. And the"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "reason it starts with artists is because"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "nobody protects them. That's the way"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "it's been for centuries. And we've"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "pushed back on automation before when it"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "affected miners, factory workers,"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "drivers, and retail staff. But when it"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "comes to artists, the people who benefit"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "from their work every single day say,"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "\"Lol, it's not that deep.\" And it is"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "exactly that deep. Because when someone"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "with millions of followers and millions"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "in the bank still chooses AI over real"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "people, what happens when the rest of"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "the world follows that example? If your"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "definition of progress is mass job"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "eraser disguised as convenience, that's"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "not forward thinking. You're just"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "gullible. This is about a future where"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "no job is safe. No job is future proof."}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "And if you're too busy clapping along to"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "realize that you're next, you deserve"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "what's coming."}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": ">> I'm interested in the artists I'm"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "interested in because of their point of"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "view."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "I don't believe AI has a point of view."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "heard an interesting story on a podcast"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "where there were five different AI"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "companies"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "and as AI got better and better"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "um these guys were the experts of AI"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "talking that all five systems if they"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "had the same data input of you know"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "everything on Google let's say which is"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "what they're all using"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "um eventually as they get more perfected"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "if you ask the same question to the five"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "systems they'll you'll get the same"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "answer, one answer. And if you were to"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "have a great script for a movie and you"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "gave it to five great directors, you"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "would get five very different movies."}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": ">> That's how art works. It's the point of"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "view of the creator."}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "So, if AI is the creator, and if it has"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "no point of view, I don't know how"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "interesting it could be. I suppose it"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "could lock into something at some point,"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "but the only way you'd know if it locked"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "into anything is if a human said, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "that's a good one.\" Uh-huh. You know,"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": ">> there's not a single theory out there"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "right now that says that consciousness"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "is created by some kind of algorithm,"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "some kind of computational process, some"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "kind of neural network. None of those"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "theories can explain even one specific"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "conscious experience. When you look at"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "all the theories that are out there, and"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "they've been at this for for decades, we"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "can experience roughly a trillion"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "specific conscious experiences. Taste of"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "garlic, smell of chocolate, the sound of"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "a trumpet. So there's a lot of talk"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "about these computational approaches and"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "or neurobiological approaches for coming"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "up with conscious experiences and"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "there's not a single specific conscious"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "experience that they can explain. Zero."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "And I predict that that's going to"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "continue because it's not possible in"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "principle. So I disagree with the"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "simulation theorists that are saying"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "that your consciousness is due to some"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "programmer writing up a program that"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "created your conscience. I disagree on"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "two things. The idea that spacetime is"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "fundamental and that computational"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "processes or neural processes could"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "create conscious experience. When I give"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "up local realism and when I say that"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "spacetime isn't fundamental and objects"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "in spaceime are fundamental, that means"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "neurons don't exist when they're not"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "perceived, that means none of my"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "behavior is caused by neural activity."}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "Now, I'm a cognitive neuroscientist and"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "I think we need more money for for"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "neuroscience, not less. So, let me be"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "very, very clear. I am not denigrating"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "neuroscience research, but it's going to"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "be much harder than we thought. The 86"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "billion neurons of the brain, roughly"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "the same number of gal cells, are"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "complicated, but they're trivial."}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "They're just a headset projection of the"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "real thing that's behind them outside of"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "space and time. And so neuroscience is"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "going to have to reverse engineer the 86"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "billion neurons and and look at the much"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "more complicated reality behind that."}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "And we're going to have to up our game"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "because we haven't actually started the"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "hard work yet in neuroscience. This is"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "the most insane startup in the world."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "They're having people scan their eyes in"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "those orbs in exchange for money. And"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "here's the crazy part. 14 million people"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "have already done it. The company is"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "called World and they've created the"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "wildest human social money experiment"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "ever designed. Now, the way it all works"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "is actually pretty simple. You find a"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "world orb and you scan your eyes one"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "time. And this scan gets you a unique"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "world ID that verifies you as a human."}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "Now, I'll admit the eye scanning sci-fi"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "orbs are a bit much, but the mission"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "behind why World is doing all this is"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "super interesting. Their goal is to"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "create a human verification system, a"}, {"end": "00:12:21", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "single unhackable source of truth that"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "can determine who is human and who"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:21", "text": "isn't. So the goal for world is to build"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "that system where every human gets a"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "verified ID they can use as a digital"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "signature. Now when this first came out"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "four years ago it looked and sounded"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "like black mirror and I thought there"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "was no way people would willingly scan"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "their eyes into a mysterious magic"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "eight-ball. But the crazy part is the"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "world verification system is starting to"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "get adopted all over the place. Reddit"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "just announced they're considering using"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "world ID to verify all their user"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "accounts are human. And if this train"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "starts moving, I could see a world where"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "this gets adopted into many aspects of"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "life. Content, messages, payments,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "everything. Complete human verification."}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "So the question really is this. What"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "would it take for you to scan your eyes"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "and become part of the world network?"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "Right now, will your iris scan? They can"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "tell if you're male or female. They can"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "tell if you're a smoker. They can"}, {"end": "00:13:10", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "determine if you have cognitive"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "inabilities like Alzheimer. They can"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:10", "text": "even predict a heart disease, like if"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "you're going to have a possible heart"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "attack. All through your iris scan. And"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "so they're going to control you through"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "taxation, electric vehicles, green"}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "agenda. They're going to control you"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "through AI innovation, and everybody's"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "going to take it. They can know I'm"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "going to have Alzheimer, they can help"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "me. They know if I'm going to have a"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "stroke or heart attack, all these IoB,"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "IoT advancements, iris scanning. And so,"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "think about why Sam Alman wants iris"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "scans. Whoever gets the most iris scans"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "are going to have the most largest"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "datab."}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "If he could have millions of people's"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "Iris scan, he'll have the largest"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "database and then he's going to feed it"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "into his chat GPT and then all the"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "governments are going to go to Chad GPT"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "to get this Iris data. I mean, it's a"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "genius scam for these corporations. But"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "that's why I just want to warn you guys,"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "I wouldn't comply to these Iris scams"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "cuz that's the next level of"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "invasiveness. They're going to say, \"We"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "know you can't lie to us.\""}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:02", "text": ">> We warned about this. You will now be"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "required to pass intrusive age checks to"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "access most social media sites as the"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "online safety act comes into force."}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "Content that could be deemed harmful to"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "children will now be agegated as new"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "legal obligations for online platforms"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "kick in. Companies are being compelled"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "to use dangerously intrusive methods"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "like biometric face scans or demand"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "users hand over copies of their ID cards"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "and passports for access to certain"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "websites. This will have a catastrophic"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "impact on freedom online and introduce"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "additional risks to children and adults"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "alike, including security breaches,"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "privacy intrusion, errors, digital"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "exclusion, and censorship. These methods"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "are not a silver bullet solution for"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "online safety, and anyway are reportedly"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "being easily circumvented. This new law"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "enables statebacked censorship on a"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "scale never seen before in the UK. And"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "with the Home Office separately planning"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "to create a new police unit to monitor"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "social media posts, there's no doubt"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "free speech online is under assault."}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "This census charter has no place in the"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "democracy and needs to be urgently"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "re-examined."}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:07", "text": ">> The European Union has officially"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "enshrined censorship into law under the"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "digital services act. Started as a"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "voluntary code of practice on"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "disinformation is now mandatory for big"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "tech. As of July 1st, Google, Facebook,"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "Instagram, Tik Tok, Microsoft, Spotify,"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "and every other platform deemed a very"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "large online platform or very large"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "online search engine must now prove to"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "the European Commission that they're"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "actively policing so-called"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "disinformation. And they don't just have"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "to comply. They have to report,"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "document, and open themselves up to"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "audits by the EU regulators. If they"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "don't, they face fines up to 20% of"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "their global revenue. Again, that's"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "revenue, not profit. So, just for fun,"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "let's do some math. Meta generated $164"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "billion in revenue in 2024, which means"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "a fine under this act would cost them"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "$33 billion. It would cost Tik Tok $ 34"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "billion. As for Google, we're talking"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "$70 billion for a single infraction."}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "That's not guidance. That's a shakedown."}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "But let's ask the only question that"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "really matters. Who decides what"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "qualifies as disinformation because"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "that's the ball game here. Is it a"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "government bureaucrat in Brussels who"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "gets to decide what truth looks like"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "because they know better? Is it some NGO"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "funded by political interests telling"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "meta what is misinformation? Is it"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "another fact checker funded by big"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "pharma who conveniently labels"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "legitimate data or inconvenient stories"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "as missing context whenever the facts"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "don't fit the narrative? I don't know,"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "maybe it's all the above. Don't think"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "for a second this is just Europe."}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "Australia has appointed an e safety to"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "censor the internet. The UK's online"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "safety act not only has sweeping"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "censorship authority, it also has the"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "power to disrupt encryption, scan"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "private communications, and impose"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "penalties that go far beyond removing"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "disinformation. As for Canada, they are"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "certainly entering the room by"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "subjectively criminalizing online speech"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "through Bill C63. This isn't the future"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "of the internet. This is its funeral."}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "And unless people push back, this won't"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "stop with platforms or fact checkers."}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "It's already morphing into AI"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "censorship, algorithmic throttling, and"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "crossber blacklists. Truth doesn't need"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "protection from lies. It needs"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "protection from governments that think"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "they own it."}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": ">> In an era where speaking truth can lead"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "to suppression, especially on sites like"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "YouTube, a place to share uncensored"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "news, is important. If you found this"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "video valuable, subscribe to a non-news,"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "our free newsletter. The link is in the"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "description."}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:23", "text": ">> No use. I will never dream of your love"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "to take me there. Take me there."}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "[Music]"}]

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Until"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "eventually you realize that uh these"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "things need to be determined by the"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "public, not by somebody who was simply"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "hired by the government."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "The NSA and the broader intelligence"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "community are focused on one thing,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "gathering intel by any means necessary,"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "no matter the cost to privacy or law."}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "NSA and the intelligence community in"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "general uh is focused on getting"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "intelligence wherever it can by any"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "means possible that it believes on the"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "grounds of sort of a self-certification"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "that they serve the national interest."}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "Uh originally we saw that uh focus very"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "narrowly tailored as foreign"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "intelligence gathered overseas. 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Where"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "those uh communications will be picked"}, {"end": "00:04:46", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "up depends on the range of the sensor"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "networks and the authorities that that"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:46", "text": "analyst is empowered with. Not all"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "analysts have the ability to target"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "everything. But I sitting my desk uh"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "certainly had the authorities to to"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "wiretap anyone from you or your"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "accountant to a federal judge to even"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "the president if I had a personal email."}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "What the Pegasus project exposed is a"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "dark industry where the only product is"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "infection tools to hack, spy, and"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "control, not to protect or secure."}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "This is everywhere. This is a an"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "industry that should not exist. 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They're not providing any kind"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "of protection, any kind of prophylactic."}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "They don't make vaccines. The only thing"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "they sell is the virus. I think it's"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "actually worse. Uh when I said there's"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "spy in your pocket, uh it's the"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "potential. It's the capability. It's the"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "fact that you know um these things are"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "are talking to the mobile phone network"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "and tracking your locations. You've got,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "you know, Facebook spying on you. Uh but"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "these are largely commercial programs"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "for commercial purposes. What we see now"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "are people uh creating an industry to"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "find those phones and go beyond the"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "level of spying that already previously"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "wouldn't have existed. And now they're"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "actually taking control of that phone"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "fully and turning it against the people"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "who bought and paid for it but no longer"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "truly own it. And the thing is these"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "phones are clones when we're talking"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "about something like an iPhone. Uh"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "they're all running the same software"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "around the world. So if they find a way"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "to hack one iPhone, they found a way to"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "hack all of them. And they are doing"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "that and they are selling that. That is"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "a knowing, intentional, willful attack"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "on critical infrastructure that every"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "one of us rely on. It doesn't matter"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "what flag you live under. It doesn't"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "matter what language you speak. We all"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "have skin in this game. Edward Snowden"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "saw that the government wasn't just"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "breaking the law. It was quietly"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "violating the rights of every American,"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "turning mass surveillance into policy."}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "But I saw something wrong. Um, and I saw"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "basically the government was violating"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "the law. um and what I believe to be the"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Constitution of the United States and"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "more broadly human rights uh for"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "everyone in the United States and around"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "the world. There were domestic"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "surveillance programs, there were mass"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "surveillance programs that worked"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "internationally. Um basically everything"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "that they could monitor uh they were"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "monitoring. Um and this is actually like"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "people go isn't that obvious? Isn't that"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "what they're supposed to do? And this is"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "weird, but the answer actually is no."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "Um, under the framework of our"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "constitution, the government is only"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "supposed to be monitoring people that it"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "has an individualized particularized"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "suspicion of wrongdoing for, right? Uh,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "this is we think about this in the"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "investigative means, right? Like all"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "those TV shows where they're like go and"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "get a warrant. The reason they have to"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "do that like we fought a a revolution o"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "over this uh you know a couple hundred"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "years back um is the idea that when we"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "had you know kings when we had"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "governments of absolute power uh they"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "could simply go in your home and go you"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "know is this guy a pot smoker get his"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "diary you know whatever it is and just"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "like if you find evidence of you march"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "them off to prison and it's all good you"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "found evidence they're or you didn't"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "find evidence well no harm no foul"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "you're just doing what government does."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "We were trying to build a better system"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "where when yes, the government has"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "extraordinary capabilities, but it only"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "uses them where they're they're"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "necessary, right? Uh where they're uh"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "proportionate to the threat that is"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "presented by this person, you know, like"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "we we shouldn't be afraid of the person"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "who's got like a baggie of weed uh in"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "their dresser or or something like that."}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "That is not a threat to national"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "security. That is not a threat to public"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "safety."}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "uh you have the experts telling you to"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "go out into the field and the sparrows"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "and now we're in the moment where we're"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "waiting to see what's going to happen"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "next."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "So it seems to me that the fight over"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "telegram and even the EU's new chat"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "control proposal which if you haven't"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "heard of it, you very much need to go"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "and look out uh for it because the EU is"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "trying to push it again, force it"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "through in the next few weeks. It seems"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "to me that these proposals are less"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "interested in surveillance than they are"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "in control. Uh they're laying the"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "procedural framework for the global"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "control of voices of every volume."}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "Edward says it's not about secret chats"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "on Telegram. It's that the authorities"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "see people talking in ways they don't"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "like and that's what really scares them."}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "And that's what it's really about. It's"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "not that they're worried about some"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "secret conversation. It's not that"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "they're trying to shake down Duroff for"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "the keys to some conversation. It's that"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "they see people talking in ways that"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "they don't like, ways that they consider"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "to be misinformation, ways that they"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "consider to be disinformation, ways that"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "they consider to be socially harmful,"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "that they consider to be uh structurally"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "undesirable and they want to silence it."}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "And that is dangerous. That's the point"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "of no return. We lose that, there's no"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "coming back. Which brings us to"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "modernity and all the ways that it's"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "it's changing. The dollar is done."}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "Uh nothing stops this train. As Lyn"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "Alden says it, debasement is baked into"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "our models. We see what's happening with"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "the uh"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "percentage of currency issuance, the"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "deficit spending. Uh it might not happen"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "this year. It might not happen next"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "year. It might not happen in 5 years."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "But it's very clear looking at the"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "progress of history where these things"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "end. Uh we are in the age of paper. Uh"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "but it is on the decline. It is coming"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "to the end. It's not about any flag. Uh"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "it's about the method. It's what the"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "system is built on. There is no basis."}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "Uh no strong foundation. Uh we have a"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "responsibility to be good stewards of"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "the moment in history that has been"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "created by us for us and that we will"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "pass to others."}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "And this is to say when you look at"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "everything happening when you look at uh"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "the desperation for a new control over"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "speech uh when you look at the rise of"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "these new disruptive technologies uh of"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "modernity such as um AI the way it's uh"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "evolving it can be great for us it can"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "also be very terrible for us it depends"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "on who is holding the levers of power"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "and how we decentralize them. Uh when"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "you look at the new ways consumer"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "electronics are being turned against us"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "uh from how they used to be in small"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "individual targeted cases to now mass"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "broadcast level cases and you see"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "leaders in our space uh trying to reject"}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "our uh old traditions the ones that are"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "valuable the ones that created the"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "space. I think the lessons are clear and"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "this is to say that we should defy"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "bureaucracy. We should reject modernity,"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "embrace tradition, and you'll save the"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "world."}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "Same old thing. No use."}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "I will never dream of your love. Take me"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "there. Take me there."}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "Heat. Heat. N."}]

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Uh"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "his his question is very deep. It's that"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "there don't appear to be any uh and by"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "appear I mean there are no physical"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "signs that we can detect in in terms of"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "what happens to"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "stars. The energy seems to be constantly"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "boiling off being wasted into space. Uh"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "we don't hear radio signals. We don't"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "see anything of civilized life. And yet"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "in the last 10 years we see in the last"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "10 years um the uh astrophysics of"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "planetary astrophysics has shown that"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "there's tens of thousands of extra solar"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "planets that we have actually detected"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "on a in individual basis and from that"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "you can assemble the probabilities of"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "there being earth approximating"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "um planets and there's hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "millions maybe billions just in this"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "galaxy."}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "So the question then becomes well where"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "is the civilized life? Why don't we see"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "it? Why don't we see any signs of it"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "anywhere? And so so the the answers to"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "that are well it could be the reasons we"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "don't see signs of civilized life uh"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "with the our increasingly powerful"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "measurement apparatus is because life"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "simply doesn't evolve. Life itself."}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "That's why we don't see civilized life"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "that there's something very rare about"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "the earth that means that life here"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "evolved. But when we look at the earth"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "and when we look at extra solar planets,"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "we don't see any reason why that should"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "be true. And in fact, we we see uh"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "organic amino acids in space dust and"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "asteroids and so on. Uh and we know that"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "asteroids cross pollinate. For example,"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "there's asteroids here um from Mars."}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "bits of bits of earth has gone to Mars"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "etc. when we get hit by an asteroid and"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "stuff flies off with it. 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There's"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "something very unstable about"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "technologically advanced civilization"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "that means it doesn't go on for long."}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "And I think the answer to that uh is the"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "very rapid competition, if you like, the"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "light speeded competition that occurs uh"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "when you wire up the world to itself."}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "And that very rapid competition"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "can have two fates. And number one, it"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "can produce very robust artificial"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "intelligences uh that are then coupled"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "with their states. You can see that"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "panning out in the United States and"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "China as they each shore up. They're"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "going to take, you know, those two"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "forces are going to take essentially all"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "the market. uh and the rapid competition"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "between them with the with the backing"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "and support of the states behind them"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "and the the exacerbation of the"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "commercial competition through"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "geopolitical competition will lead uh to"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "an uncontrollable"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "desire for growth in artificial"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "intelligence capacity leading leading to"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "very severe conflict or or"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "staltification. as interesting."}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "You can follow these trajectories in"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "different ways. It takes too takes too"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "long to describe. Um so I I think that's"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "that's our biggest threat. It is"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "geopolitical competition removing what"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "otherwise might be sensible human"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "controls on the development of"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "artificial intelligence. that"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "geopolitical competition uh harnessed by"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "uh and itself harnessing uh the largest"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "artificial intelligence companies to"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "ratchet up a process which human beings"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "can no longer control. Not in the sense"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "of there being robots uh although of"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "course Google is now putting its AI in"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "drones and so on. So yeah, there are"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "killer robots uh not not in this classic"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "dystopian sense uh but rather in a in a"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "way that comes from understanding how"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "human institutions behave which is"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "institutions that are built on"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "competition and growing their size and"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "dominating markets etc. take any"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "advantage they get uh and will continue"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "to ratchet up in competition and"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "everything that they produce has that"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "DNA in it. Uh and that's where we're"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "headed. Uh and that's a that's a severe"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "threat uh to human beings in general and"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "all businesses."}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "Assange claims this is the last free"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "generation because every click, every"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "move, every thought is being tracked,"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "stored and weaponized for control. I say"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "that this generation"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "well that perhaps our generation but"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "anyway this generation being born now in"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "in seconds in most count sorry very"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "shortly in most countries and it's"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "already happened in in say China most"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "European countries United States is is"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "the last free generation uh you were"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "born"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "and either immediately or within say a"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "year uh you're known globally"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "your your identity in one form or"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "another coming as a result of your"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "idiotic parents uh plastering your name"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "and photos over over Facebook uh or as a"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "result of insurance applications or"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "passport applications uh transport uh on"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "airlines etc. you you are known to all"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "the world's major powers, all the"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "world's major uh state powers and all"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "the world's major commercial powers."}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "That's a very different situation for"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "individuals to be in than they have"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "previously been in. Small child now"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "in some sense has to has has to"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "negotiate its relationship"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "with all the world's major powers."}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "of of course in practice it can't do"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "anything its parents are"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "uh not managing that negotiation but it"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "put puts us in a"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "I think a very different position in in"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "the sense that very few in fact maybe"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "only a few people in this audience very"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "technical technically capable people"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "able to live apart to choose to live"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "apart to choose to go their own way they"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "must be part of not only the state, but"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "the major state like corporations so"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "powerful they may as well be states. Uh,"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "and not just their own state, but other"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "states as well. That's a a significant"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "change,"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "cultural change for humanity."}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "It it smells a little it smells it"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "smells a bit like totalitarian"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "totalitarianism in some way. Obviously"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "the world is different but there's some"}, {"end": "00:13:19", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "feeling about it which is totalitarian"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "no"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "I will never dream of your love to take"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "me there take me"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "Open"}]

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Bill Gates"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "extensive acquisition of farmland,"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "including areas with significant"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "aquifers, opens the door for a strategic"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "move to control water access, raising"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "questions about the motives behind such"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "investments beyond mere agricultural"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "productivity. Over 2 and 1/2 billion"}, {"end": "00:01:13", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "people have no access to safe"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "sanitation. We asked brilliant engineers"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "to help us solve this problem and one of"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "those engineers actually has proposed a"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "solution where the waste is valuable."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Chinese investors are gobbling up"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "America's heartland and the alarm bells"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "are finally ringing. As of 2023, the"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "USDA reports a staggering 383,935"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "acres of US soil in the hands of Chinese"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "entities, farmlands, forests, key spy"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "locations. Hey, I'm at the Nasha airport"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "and just want to show you here's a long"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "runway and across street is Daniel"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "Webster College right here."}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "There are some buildings rented out and"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "purchased by Chinese nationals 2018"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "and u combined with that uh the water"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "bottle plant that the richest man from"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "China bought it in Nshwa. So all both"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "locations are within an 100 miles"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "radians to join base in Cape Cot. This"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "is listed as a military installation and"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "joint base supposed to be revealed by"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "the federal government."}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:25", "text": ">> Texas is hit hardest with 123,78"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "acres followed by North Carolina,"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "Missouri, Utah, and Florida. The WH"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "Group, a Chinese conglomerate, owns"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "nearly 90,000 acres through Smithfield"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "Foods, sprawling across 10 states. But"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "it gets worse. The Fuang Group's shady"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "370 acre grab near North Dakota's Grand"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Forks Air Force Base and a Chinese"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "billionaire's 100,000 acre Texas wind"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "farm scheme were fortunately stopped"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "cold by state law, revealing a"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "full-blown national security threat. The"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "Chinese group called Fufen purchased 300"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "acres to build a cornmill factory"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "within 10 miles of this Air Force basin."}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "And that land in North Dakota is flat."}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "So basically, if you sit on a tower, you"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "can see what's going on at the base. But"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "even more ominously, you can have"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "equipment on the land listening to the"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "communications. And this particular air"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "force base is a hub for worldwide"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "communications in the air force and also"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "is a worldwide facility for the drones."}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "If the Americans can't buy land in"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "China, then the Chinese should not be"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "able to buy land in America."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": ">> The sleeping giant has been slowly"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "waking up. And now in July of 2025,"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "President Trump's National Farm Security"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "Action Plan dropped a bombshell. ban"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "Chinese and other hostile nations from"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "buying our farmland and claw back what"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "they've already got."}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Another one of President Trump's"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "greatest accomplishments was the"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "groundbreaking United States, Mexico,"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "Canada trade agreement that replaced"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "NAFTA, improved supply chain resiliency,"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "and put America's farmers first. It has"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "been reported that the US MCA trade deal"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "led to $2 billion in annual increases"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "for the US in agricultural exports to"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "Canada and Mexico with an overall"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "increase of $65 billion in gross farmers"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "and ranchers. Bills like the PASS Act,"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "which sailed through the Senate in 2024,"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "and the Farm Act are supercharging"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "Trump's action plan to slam the brakes"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "on these land grabs. The prohibition of"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "agricultural land for the People's"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "Republic of China Act is a direct shot"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "at the CCP's influence. 14 states from"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "Arkansas to Florida are stepping up,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "blocking CCP linked purchases near"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "military bases to stop potential"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "espionage and protect our food and"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "energy security. A third of the"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "properties in the state of Maine that"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "would go on to become illegal Chinese"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "marijuana growhouses were purchased"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "using mortgages through a program called"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "the Community Development Finance"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "Institution. It's a designation that you"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "give to banks. The entire purpose of the"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "program is to help marginalized"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "communities access financing."}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": ">> Why would we be helping foreign"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "nationals buy in places where there's a"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "housing crisis and the people who are"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "born there can't find a house to live"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "in? Like what is going on?"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:49", "text": ">> And then why under CO would we"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "supercharge the program with an"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "additional transfer of funding? Um why"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "would we put that program on steroids? I"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "don't know. I know but I know that it"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "was people cuz you want to kill and"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "replace the people who populate your"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "country. Replace them with other people"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "of obviously."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": ">> The stakes couldn't be higher. Will"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "America and its allies reclaim their"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "sovereignty or fall deeper into China's"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "trap? The clock just keeps on ticking."}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "The Pacific Palisades fire, which if the"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "insane news cycle buried it from your"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "memory, began on January 7th, 2025 and"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "caused massive destruction across the"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "Pacific Palisades, Tanga, and Malibu"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "with nearly every structure north of"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "Sunset Boulevard in Pacific Palisades"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "being obliterated, causing severe air"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "pollution in Los Angeles. The crisis was"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "compounded by water supply issues as 20%"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "of fire hydrants in the more elevated"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "parts of Pacific Palisades ran dry. The"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "containment efforts reached only 8% by"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "January 31st of 2025 after 24 days of"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "battling an inferno that 7 months later"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "is still being investigated as arson. In"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "the aftermath, Governor Gavin Nuome"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "signed Senate Bill 549 into law. This"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "legislation grants Los Angeles County"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "the authority to purchase fire destroyed"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "lots at minimal cost, a decision that"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "directly contradicts Nuome's previous"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "statements to homeowners that"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "governmentdriven property conversions"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "would not occur. I was just talking to"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "Josh Green, the governor uh of uh uh"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "down in in Hawaii, who had some ideas"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "around some land use concerns he has"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "around speculators coming in, buying up"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "properties uh and the like. So, we're"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "already working with our legal teams to"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "uh to move those things forward, and"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "we'll be presenting those in in a matter"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "of days, not just weeks. The bill"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "mandates that from January 2026, 40% of"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "the housing in affected areas must be"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "affordable and it establishes a quote"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "resilient rebuilding authority end quote"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "that overrides local community decisions"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "on rebuilding efforts. This strips away"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "local control, likely displacing"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "original homeowners who don't fall under"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "the criteria of section 8 recipients and"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "enables reszoning without their input."}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": ">> The people that are in charge of this"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "bill, they're the people in charge of"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "letting the whole town burn down. Okay,"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "you can say whatever you want, but all"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "their decisions, all their negligence,"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "all that, that's why we have no town in"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "the Palestines. Why would we ever have"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "them in charge of rebuilding what they"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "let burn down?"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": ">> With SB549,"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "the authority can buy back land and"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "offer it first to original owners. But"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "if they cannot afford it, they lose"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "their homes permanently, setting the"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "table for Smart LA 2028, led by the city"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "of Los Angeles's information technology"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "agency, a government technocracy that is"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "building the 2028 Olympics on the"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "charred remains of its citizens homes."}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "Technology enables the city of LA to"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "efficiently and ethically improve the"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "quality of life for our residents,"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "businesses, and visitors. In other"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "words, when done right, technology makes"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "us smarter. That's why the city of Los"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Angeles strives to be a smart city. And"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "there's never been a more important time"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "for Los Angeles to be smart than now as"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "we prepare to host the world in the 2028"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "Summer Olympics and Parolympics."}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "Meanwhile, the LA Rises public outreach"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "campaign launched by the survivors to"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "support recovery efforts is undermined"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "by Newsome's policy shifts, which"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "prioritize government control over the"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "restoration of homeowner rights and"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "local autonomy. What they're proposing"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "is a separate government entity to be"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "comprised of political appointees, not"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "people elected by you, who would have"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "centralized authority over construction,"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "permitting, development, land"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "acquisition, and other key decisions"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "that will shape the future of the"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Palisades."}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": ">> In this brave new world, the people of"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "Pacific Palisades are not rebuilding"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "their lives. They are being rebuilt by a"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "government that ignored their cries for"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "help. and sees opportunity in their"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "suffering. An opportunity with motive."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": ">> It's like California is being run by a"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "criminal operation and the goal is the"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "biggest land grab in the history of the"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "United States of America."}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": ">> But the question isn't whether this was"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "planned. It's whether the people of"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "California will stand idly by as their"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "homes, their rights, and their futures"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "are consumed by the same fire that"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "started it all. Their time to take a"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "stand is today, and it isn't tomorrow."}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "In an era where speaking truth can lead"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "to suppression, especially on sites like"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "YouTube, a place to share uncensored"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "news, is important. 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[{"end": "00:00:02", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "One of the local ranchers we were"}, {"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "talking to were out there doing search"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "and rescue described it as a hurricane."}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "As a land hurricane, never seen weather"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "like that. Just stayed right over the"}, {"end": "00:00:11", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "top of them and kept dumping water for"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "for hour after hour after."}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:11", "text": "That's what I called it July 5th when I"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "woke up. I said, \"This is a land"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "hurricane.\""}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Yep. That's"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "cuz I watch the weather radar all the"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "time, folks. I live here and this is"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "where we are. We're right by the Hill"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "Country and I've never seen a storm just"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "come from nowhere. Bloop. They usually"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "come in and then do it just it appears"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "the day before and it goes mirror. Looks"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "man-made to me."}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "Yeah. And so when you've got someone"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "admitting they were doing cloud seeding,"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "but then saying, \"Oh, we had nothing to"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "do with it.\" That should be"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "investigated."}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "I've never also seen a round storm like"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "that pop and recede and pop and recede."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "That looks like chemicals."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "I mean, look at that."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "They don't usually form and dissipate or"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "move. They don't go boom boom boom. See"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "that?"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "You ever seen that start?"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "No. Never have."}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "Look at it radar for you. It's been"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "around for our whole lives. Have you"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "ever seen a storm look like that?"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "Only in hurricanes."}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "And that's the hot water."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "So that's why that local rancher"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "described it as a land hurricane. He'd"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "never seen it before either. Never seen"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "any weather like that. It just stayed"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "right over the top and kept dumping"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "water on them."}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "And farmers and the ranchers are the"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "guys that pay attention to the weather."}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "They're the ones to talk to. Floods come"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "and go. It's different Pacific Ocean"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "actions in the US. We have monsoon type"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "stuff. It comes and goes, but there is"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "geoengineering. And we had Brennan, the"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "head of the CIA under Obama before they"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "left, admit they're doing it. And we"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "have weather weapon tries. You have all"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "these private companies that are scaling"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "up."}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "So the fact is, I remember when there"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "was flash floods like 27, 8 years ago,"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "they killed a bunch of people in South"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Texas. And strangely enough, the Navy"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "came out and said with the Air Force, we"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "were doing weather geoengineering. We"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "apologize. We may have contributed to"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "these floods. So it's and people can"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "look that up. Not just that case, but"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "others. So they even like admit it's"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "going on, but then when we criticize,"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "they go, \"It doesn't exist.\" What is"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "your take on that?"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "Well, right now, Rain Maker, the the CEO"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "of Rain Maker is all over the place. He"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "was on the war room. He was on Glen"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "Beck's show. Um admitting that they they"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "were doing seating in in South Texas in"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "the Hill Country."}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "He was on this show."}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "Oh, he's on your show, too."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "It was Owen doing it, but yeah."}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "Okay. So, yeah. This is like I think"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "July 2nd or 3rd, they were doing seating"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "in Texas by contract. the contracts all"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "over the internet. So, it's legit. They"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "really did it, but they're saying,"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "\"Well, we did we did seeding, but we had"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "nothing to do with the flood.\""}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "So, they also did it pretty close to the"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "area. And again, I'm no meteorologist."}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "Meteorologist says we're it was like a"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "mini hurricane just popped up for like a"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "day and just stood there,"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "right? That's one of the one of the"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "local ranchers we were talking to out"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "there doing search and rescue described"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "it as a hurricane, as a land hurricane."}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "I' never seen weather like that. Just"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "stayed right over the top of them and"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "kept dumping water for for hour after"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "hour after."}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "That's what I called it July 5th when I"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "woke up. I said, \"This is a land"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "hurricane.\""}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Yep. That's what"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "cuz I watch the weather radar all the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "time, folks. I live here and this is"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "where we are. We're right by the Hill"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "Country. And I've never seen a storm"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "just come from nowhere. Bloop. They"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "usually come in and then do it just it"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "appears the day before and then it goes"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "looks man-made to me."}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "Yeah. And so when you got someone"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "admitting they were doing cloud seeding"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "but then saying, \"Oh, we had nothing to"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "do with it.\" That should be"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "investigated."}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "I've never also seen a round storm like"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "that pop and recede and pop and recede."}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "That looks like chemicals."}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "I mean, look at that."}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "They don't usually they form and"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "dissipate or move. They don't go boom"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "boom boom. See that?"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "You ever seen that dirt?"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "No. Never have."}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "Look at a radar for you. It's been"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "around for our whole lives. Have you"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "ever seen a storm look like that?"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "Only in hurricanes."}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "And that's the hot water."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "So that's why that local rancher"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "described it as a land hurricane. He had"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "never seen it before either. Never seen"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "any weather like that. It just stayed"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "right over the top. kept dumping water"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "on him."}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "And farmers and the ranchers are the"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "guys that pay attention to the weather."}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "They're the ones to talk to."}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "Yeah, definitely. And that same rancher"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "also had concrete steps leading up to"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "his house, which is what I think they"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "should be in every every camp should be"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "a way for them to suffer."}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "Well, yeah. I mean, and these are tiny"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "towns with one or two gas stations."}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "They're like, they didn't put in a $5"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "million emergency siren thing. Well, you"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "go pay for it. It's it's it's the"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "freaking"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "Well, the state of Texas should pay for"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "it. They gave they gave Hollywood $1.5"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "billion dollars to come make movies in"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Texas if the locals can't afford it. You"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "have these children's camps have been"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "there historically for for generations."}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "They had big floods back in '87. Before"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "that, 1978, we had kids killed. So, the"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "state of Texas can pay for it."}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "And the difference is there's a lot more"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "people in Texas now."}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "Sure. But if you're going to run a"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "children's camp, this is this is where"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "if you're an adult, okay, fine. You want"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "to risk your life by by sleeping in a"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "tent next to a river in a flood zone,"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "that's that's up to you. But if you're"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "going to put kids down there and you run"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "camps making money to have children come"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "to camp every summer,"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "you got a responsibility."}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "You have a responsibility."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "It's negligence."}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "It is."}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "So, but here's the deal. They said Trump"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "didn't issue an emergency alert cuz it"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "cuts to that. They only cut out the"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "brainwashing climate change funding."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "They did put out an alerts, hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "them, the day before."}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "Well, that's what we're hearing. In"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "fact, the Austin Firefighter Association"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "is criticizing their chief for not"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "reacting."}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "He said, \"We don't have the money.\" They"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "wanted to go out there."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "Right. But they said in that in their"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "statement, they said on July 2nd, they"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "got an alert, an order from the state of"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "Texas to be ready for mutual aid to go"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "help in the Hill Country."}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "That's right. Texas nailed it a day"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "before the National Weather Service, but"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "more than 24 hours before, uh, the"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "National Weather Service had flash flood"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "warning for those very counties."}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "But the question then to me is, well,"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "then why didn't the same people who"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "alerted the first responders be ready to"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "do mutual aid? Why didn't they also"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "contact the camps where the kids were"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "and say, \"Hey, heads up.\""}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "I agree. Well, I that's following"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "orders. I I first heard this before even"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "hit the news days after. And it turns"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "out, not just Austin, but other liberal"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "cities, just like they stood down in"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "Palisades."}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "They literally said, \"We're not going to"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "spend the money.\" When the firefighters"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "are like, \"We're supposed to go out"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "there. We have mutual aid.\" They go,"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "\"Nope, you're not going.\" So, I I that's"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "criminal negligence. I think the Austin"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "fire chief should be arrested, not"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "fired. Yeah, I would I would agree. I"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "think I think his men agree. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "longterm to prevent this from happening"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "again, I do think they need sirens. But"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "those kids and the camp people need to"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "have a"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "I mean, look, zoning is dangerous cuz it"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "always gets abused. But there should be"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "a policy and standard associated with"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "insurance that I mean, I lived out in in"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "Dripping Springs forever till I got"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "divorced from my first wife and she got"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "it. But I mean, it was the headarters of"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "of the uh Barton Creek, so it never went"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "dry. It's beautiful. And but the house"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "was on a hill and on stilts. And I was"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "like, \"Wow, this this hill is like 50 ft"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "up. Why is the house on stilts another"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "20 ft?\" Well, once when we lived there"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "like 5 years, she still lives there. It"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "it the water came all the way up to the"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "chimney and all the way up to the"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "balcony and almost swept the house away."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "I was like, \"Oh, now I get why it's"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "here.\""}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "Yeah."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "Most the old-timers that have places out"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "there, they're up on a hill."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "Mhm. And so this is I'm saying it's a"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "bunch of newbies that don't know and"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "they're just like, \"Oh, we'll just build"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "a just a lot of this is just people"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "don't understand how dangerous it is to"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "be.\" And you go out there, folks, it's"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "scrub rush and mountains and hills. So"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "you get a bunch of rain dumping. It it's"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "going up."}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "Yeah. That's what's that's what happens"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "with flash floods. But those kids camps"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "are built right down in the flood plane"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "next to the river."}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "Yeah. They shouldn't be."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "They shouldn't be. They should they"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "should be sleeping on the hilltop at"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "night."}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Well, I'm saying who did that?"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "I mean, you're on the Guadalupe River"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "that routinely goes up 25 ft. What are"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "you thinking?"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "Well, they had they had FEMA reclassify"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "that that particular camp as not being a"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "flood plane so they could expand it and"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "build more cabins. So, that was done."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "So, I guess someone decided they wanted"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "to put their business ahead of the"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "potential loss of life,"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "which shows how it's all political."}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "Flood plane should not be political,"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "but it is,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "right? Well, I mean, so there either"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "needs to be a rule that no kids sleep"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "down in in a flood plane and they they"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "get to sleep on top of"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "Exactly. You want to build a house on"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "the edge of a river, you're in a flood"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "plane, you're that's fine, but there"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "should be a law. Kids don't sleep there."}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "Well, you don't have campser kids where"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "where the kids sleep next to the river."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "They should be up on top like you said,"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "on high ground and if necessary, on top"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "of stills, too. I remember on a fishing"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "trip when I was like 5 years old in"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "Oklahoma"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "and I remember"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "we were on the edge of a river that went"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "out to a lake. We've been fishing and I"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "remember when we got there I said, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "there's campsites.\" There was like a"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "state park, whatever. There's campsites"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "down there, Dad. Why don't we take"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "those? He goes, \"No, it could rain. It"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "could flood.\" So, we stayed on top of"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "hill. It's just common sense. People"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "don't know that stuff anymore,"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "right? It is common sense, but like it's"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "it's old school. Um, so there should be"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "rules that if you're going to have a"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "camp for kids, they should have the"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "ability to self-rescue. And I think the"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "answer is concrete steps with u steel"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "guardrails. I gave you guys some photos"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "of that."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "Yeah. People always ask why in the you"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "see old houses out in the country or"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "anywhere. Why was the prime thing on a"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "hill? It's not cuz you're up above"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "everybody. It's because of flooding."}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "Yeah, that's right. And a lot of these"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "poor areas like in Lander, we we're"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "there in Lander right now. Um the poor"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "are down in the lower areas. The wealthy"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "live up on the hilltops. their houses"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "are fine, but the folks that couldn't"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "afford to live up there, if they live"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "down in the lower areas, they got"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "flooded out."}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "Well, that's right. I bought a uh 127"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "acre ranch that I lost the bankruptcy,"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "but half of it was a flood plan. That's"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "how I got a great deal."}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "Cuz you couldn't build on it,"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "right?"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "But but but in fact, but it's good that"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "like Texas doesn't have the regulations."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "They say you shouldn't build. It's not"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "insurable, but I could build something"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "if I wanted to. And that's freedom."}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "That's that's your that's your choice."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "But if you're going to run a camp for"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "kids, that's where the state of Texas"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "going to step."}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "Well, I even thought about building like"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "a cabin down there back when I had money"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "and I had contractors come out once. And"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "I go I said, \"Can I?\" They said, \"I"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "wouldn't build here anyways.\" He goes,"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "\"They say it's 100 year flood plane.\""}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "This is every 10 years. He goes, \"You'd"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "have to have like 20 foot stilts.\" And"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "he said, \"Even it comes through here so"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "strong.\" And we're like way up from it."}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "Big beautiful trees. You so pretty in a"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "flood plane. Big old huge cottonwoods,"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "oak trees. And they said, \"Yeah, you"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "need to build up there.\" And I up on a"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "big ugly hill up on the top. Yeah, you"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "don't want to build down here, buddy."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "Yeah, smart man."}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "Well, just they were like, we're not"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "really, we don't recommend you build a"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "place here."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "Right. Cuz even if you had a house on"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "stilts, you could get hit by the water"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "so you know so powerfully that takes it"}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "off off the foundation."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "Yeah. So, the biggest thing I saw now is"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "the Clinton Foundation's there raising"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "money. It's got their operatives now"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "outside Austin."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "H that's news to me. I hadn't seen them."}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "Yeah. They got Chelsea Clinton's people"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "down there"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "doing what?"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "Just raising money and stealing it. You"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "know what they always do? right along"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "with the Red Cross."}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "Yeah. So, what do you see coming out of"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "this?"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "Um, probably a lot of dog and pony show"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "in the legislature. They're having a"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "special session. I mean, one of their"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "one of their hearings is going to be in"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "Kurville, so the locals there would at"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "least be able to give their their input,"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "but the politicians, I doubt they'll do"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "much. Uh maybe some sirens. I don't see"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "much else coming out of it. The"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "catastrophic floods that tore through"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "the Texas Hill Country from the 4th of"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "July into the 5th have claimed at least"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "82 lives, including 68 in Kerr County"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "alone, with 27 deaths at Camp Mystic and"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "approximately 41 people, including 10"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "girls and one counselor from the camp"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "remain missing. The disaster has"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "prompted extensive rescue efforts with"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "over 850 people saved through air,"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "ground, and water operations. Lake"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "Travis, the massive flood control"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "reservoir, took on a staggering 86"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "billion gallons of water in just 24"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "hours and is now just 30 ft from full"}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "capacity. Just 2 days before this"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "biblical deluge, Augustus Duro, a"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "25-year-old tech bro and teal fellow was"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "reportedly cloud seeding over Texas with"}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "his weather modifying startup Rain"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "Maker. Dico played God with the skies"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:03", "text": "and Texans lives. My name is Augustus"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "Dico. I'm the CEO and founder of Rain"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "Maker. We're a cloud seeding company"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "that is enhancing precipitation via"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "advanced radar and also drones for the"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "sake of supplementing water supplies for"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "farms, cities, reservoirs, and wildlife"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "throughout the United States. Uh cloud"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "seating is conventionally done with a"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "chemical called silver iodide. It's"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "LD50, so its lethal dose is 10 times"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "higher than aspirin. And we're using"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "about 50 g per each operation. That's as"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "much as can fit in the palm of your"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "hand, right? That's less flour that's in"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "than is in a slice of bread. So the"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "amount that accumulates into wersheds is"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "in the parts per trillion after decades"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "of operation. And we have data to prove"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "that from programs that exist throughout"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "the United States."}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "You know, so Colorado and California,"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "Texas and Idaho, they all have weather"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "modification programs that the state"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "funds. How long have they been how long"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "have they had those programs?"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "Um, so cloud seating was invented in the"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "United States. It's an American"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "technology that was done for the first"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "time in New York in 1946. So the very"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "first effective weather modification"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "operations were done in the ' 40s um"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "after World War II. Um then there have"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "been a series of programs that have"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "popped up either domestically or abroad"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "in the decades in between, but we've"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "never actually been able to prove that"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "it works until 2017."}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "Why is Teal's money funding private"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "weather experiments? Why is a kid with"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "zero oversight manipulating Texas"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "weather? They call it stewarding nature,"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "but Texas got a catastrophic flood that"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "killed dozens, swept away homes, and"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "left Camp Mystic horrendously ravaged."}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "There are currently 42 cloud seating"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "projects across the American West, like"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "this one in Utah, where they take planes"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "like this with flares attached. They fly"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "right into the storm and send"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "microscopic particles into the cloud."}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "particles that act like magnets for"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "water droplets, bonding together until"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "they are heavy enough to fall to the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "ground as rain or snow."}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "In 2017, the UAE performed 242 cloud"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "seating operations. The government is"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "confident the operations are increasing"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "the amount of rainfall, but it's"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "difficult to gauge. Congresswoman"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "Marjgerie Taylor Green introduced a bill"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "to ban weather control in"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "geoengineering, making it a felony to"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "inject chemicals to alter weather,"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "temperature, or sunlight. Over 30 states"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "have passed or are pushing laws to"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "restrict these shady practices in the"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "last year with Tennessee banning"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "geoengineering outright in 2024. While"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "Health and Human Services head Robert F."}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "Kennedy Jr. is also on the war path"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "investigating DARPA for allegedly"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "running secret weather control ops"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "across North America."}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "Bromium, aluminum, strontium, it's"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "sprayed in our skies all day long and um"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "I know you've talked to Dne Wigington"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "about this. He seems to be one of the"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "experts in the field."}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "Is there a question?"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "Uh yes. How do we stop it? It's it's"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "done uh we think by DARPA"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "and a lot of it now is coming out of the"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "jet fuel."}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "So you know those materials are put in"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "jet fuel. We"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "I'm going to do everything in my power"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "to stop it."}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "This trend of devastation has targeted"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "smart city planned areas across the"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "nation from Maui to the Pacific"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "Palisades to Kurville itself. The"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "American people deserve answers, not"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "chemtrails and cover-ups. And as the"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "skies clear, it becomes abundantly"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "obvious this storm is far from over."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "Take me there. So take me there."}]

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And he was in Egypt. He was in"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "Yeah. He was in Egypt during the First"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "World War."}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "Are you serious?"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "But I still couldn't be 100% sure it was"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "him. And at that time, my dad was still"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "alive. And he had my grandfather's"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "diaries, which were little things,"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "little diaries, dozens of them. And I"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "went through to the date given. And I"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "opened that page and I saw just one line"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "and it said, \"Climbed Great Pyramid"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "today.\" No way. My god,"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "that's crazy. A German tourist says he"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "illegally scaled Egypt's Great Pyramid"}, {"end": "00:01:01", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "of Giza in broad daylight and lived to"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "tell the tale. Armed with a GoPro and a"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:01", "text": "strong will, 18-year-old Andre"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "Sashellski journeyed from Cairo to Giza"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "to climb nearly 500 ft to the top of the"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "pyramid. Climbing the oldest and largest"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "pyramid comes at a steep cost, a"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "possible three-year jail sentence if"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "convicted. Yeah. Andre said in an"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "interview he knew the risks going in but"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "decided the view from the top would make"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "it all worth it. When he was about"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "halfway up the ancient structure, Andre"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "was spotted by Egyptian police. But it"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "didn't stop him from finishing his climb"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "and taking in the incredible view."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Although it took him 8 minutes to reach"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "the top, it took him 20 minutes to"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "safely descend. When he was back on the"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "ground, he was taken into police"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "custody. According to Andre, officers"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "said they would not press charges if he"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "deleted photographic evidence of the"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "climb. He says authorities were unaware"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "that the techsavvy teen had software"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "that allowed him to recover the file."}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Evolution is a slippery word. When"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "someone says, \"Do you believe in"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "evolution?\" I say, \"What do you mean?\""}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "It's got six different meanings. First"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "would have to be cosmic evolution, the"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "big bang. Where did time, space, and"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "matter come from? Then you have to get"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "chemical evolution. There's 92 naturally"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "occurring elements. How do you get gold,"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "silver, and platinum out of hydrogen"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "gas? Then you got to have stars"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "evolving, stellar evolution. Nobody has"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "ever seen a star form. Then you have to"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "have organic evolution. Life has to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "somehow come from non-living matter."}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "Then you have to have macro evolution"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "where an animal changes from one kind"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "into another. Nobody's ever seen these"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "first five. The earth form 4.5 billion"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "years ago. And then this first life form"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "that came out of the soup had to somehow"}, {"end": "00:02:35", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "transform itself into everything else"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "today. So that little amoeba"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:35", "text": "single-sellled creature turned into a"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "whale and a giraffe and a pine tree and"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "everything. Look, you guys can believe"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "what you want, but don't call that"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "science. Evolution is not part of"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "science. It's a religious belief."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "These miners found something that could"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "change the history books. This is the"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "story of the Tissole Princess and it"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "might just make you question everything"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "you know. It all started in 1969 when"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "some miners near the village of Tulski,"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "Siberia, were looking for coal about 230"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "ft below the surface. One of the miners"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "dislodged a large rock, revealing a"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "passageway to a hidden chamber. And what"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "was in it defied all explanation."}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "Sitting there before them was an ornate"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "8- foot long marbled sarcophagus. The"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "miners thought there might be treasure"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "inside, so they opened it up. Instead,"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "they found this beautiful woman inside,"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "dressed like royalty, looking around 30"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "years old, perfectly preserved within"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "this strange pink liquid. Although she"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "wasn't alive, the miners thought she"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "still might have been, maybe she was"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "sleeping, as there was no sign of bodily"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "decay, and strangely, her eyes were"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "still open. But there was something"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "different about her. She had six fingers"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "and a third eye in the middle of her"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "forehead as well. Now, the miners told"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "their boss. So, he called the Soviet"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "military and they came into town, wound"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "up cording off the whole place and told"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "locals not to talk about this. Now, if"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "you thought that was something already,"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "it gets weirder. So, they tried to take"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "the sarcophagus out of the mine, but it"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "was too heavy to lift. So, in order to"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "lighten the load, they decided to pump"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "out this mystery pink liquid. But the"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "woman inside immediately started to turn"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "black and decompose. And in an effort to"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "preserve her body, they put the fluid"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "back in the sarcophagus and the woman"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "regained her pristine form. Eventually,"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "they got the sarcophagus out and shipped"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "it to a scientist for study. And shortly"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "afterwards, all of the miners who are"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "present during the find all died under"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "mysterious circumstances. And the KGB"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "buried the story for decades until it"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "came back to light in 2002. And now"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "there's even a monument about the Tissel"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "Princess near the mine where she was"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "allegedly found. And according to the"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "story, the scientist couldn't determine"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "what the pink liquid was. He also found"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "that the woman shared our DNA, so she"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "was human, but he thought likely from"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "some highly advanced lost ancient"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "civilization and that her existence"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "called into question the history of"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "humanity in the earth itself. And the"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "craziest thing about all of this is that"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "he believed that based on the geological"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "layer that the sarcophagus was found in,"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "the woman could have been anywhere from"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "100 to 800 million years old. This isn't"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "like some mystery movie or Goldfinger,"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "James Bond. This is really going on."}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "This is This is This is wild. This is"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "This is historic. Starts with gold. And"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "I've been following the comics. There's"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "something going on with gold and nobody"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "really knows what it is. Somebody here"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "in the United States is buying a"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "crapload of gold. somebody is taking"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "huge physical deliveries and it's"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "causing shortages"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "uh in London where they're you know"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "there they buy and sell gold there"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "shortages now of gold because somebody"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "is buying it and shipping it here"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "somebody with very deep pockets okay so"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "why now this is all theory that's fact"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "here is the theory of what's going on"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "they're preparing for a full-on gold"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "audit we talked about this yesterday."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "The government right now claims on its"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "balance sheet as an asset all of this"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "gold and it's valued at $45 an ounce. In"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "case you haven't heard, it's $2900 an"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "ounce. So, they're talking now about"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "boosting the price of gold at least"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "markettomarket, but maybe even making it"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "$5,000 an ounce. Okay, if that happens,"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "the balance sheet starts to fall into"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "line and our debt to GDP is not as bad"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "as it really is. The first conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "I ever remember hearing"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "how when Nixon got us off the gold"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "standard, he had been told that the gold"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "had been shipped to Europe. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "official. Senator Ran Paul says a"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "criminal investigation is being launched"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "by Doge into the missing gold, not just"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "at Fort Knox, but other"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "Treasury Department vaults in New York"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "and other areas. That's why they've been"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "shipping it back as fast as they can the"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "last 5 weeks ahead of Trump getting"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "inaugurated. We've literally caught them"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "with their pants down in the crime of"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "the century. This will further"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "completely devastate the deep state and"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "legitimize, supercharge the already"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "completely constitutionally legitimate"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "actions of Trump. Investigating these"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "federal agencies and finding massive"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "fraud everywhere"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "that doesn't just save the country"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "money. It will also bring down the deep"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "state for the crimes they have"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "committed. This is so historic and so"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "critical."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "They are giving us the wrong dates. We"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "used to have 13 months in a year, 28"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "days in a month, and one day of rest,"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "resurrection. This was even mentioned in"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "the Bible. We have 13 lunar cycles in"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "each cycle being 28 days. The oceans"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "diets are 28 days. Women's periods are"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "also 28 days. And then we have 13 zodiac"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "signs, not the exoteric 12. Many ancient"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "cultures use this 13-month calendar"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "system. For example, the Native"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "Americans used a turtle as their"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "timekeeper. See, in every turtle shell"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "you'll find, you'll see 13 sections in"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "the middle for each of the months and"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "then 28 sections for each of the lunar"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "days along the rim. See, the New Year's"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "really starts in spring, keeping us"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "fools on April 1st as they disconnect us"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "through our natural cycles. Our calendar"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "is not quite right. 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That's the first day, our neutral"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "day, day one, the day we rest and"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "celebrate the resurrection, the new"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "beginning, the beginning of Christ."}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "April is month one"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "and then we lost a month in there. Where"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "is it?"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "Meth man said this 30 years ago. Now"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "look where we are."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "We in the last times and days right now."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "The Illuminati's in effect. See, the"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Illuminati ain't nothing but like it's"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "going to be a second great depression"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "out here in America. Except this time,"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "corporate America's prepared themselves"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "for it. Meaning they're they're when it"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "hits, they're going to be their money is"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "going to be safe as far as the rest of"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "us that don't own our own businesses and"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "things of that nature."}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "So be we going to be killing each other"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "in the streets, man. Mad Maxing Beyond"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "Terror Dome and all that. It's going to"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "be on, man. And they going to have to"}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "blow us up, which is what they're going"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "to do. They're going to inject us with"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "these uh they're going to say it's like"}, {"end": "00:10:50", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "for everybody mandatory AIDS testing"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "because AIDS is so widespread. They're"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:50", "text": "going to be giving them vaccines for it"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "so they don't catch it off top like"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "measles, MS, and stuff like that. 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Welfare gone."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "They just going I mean uh funds for"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "schooling gone. Free energy. This guy,"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "his name's Maxwell Chicksu, but he's"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "from Zimbabwe. He has created a"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "generator that does not use any power"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "source. 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He says this"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "is how he told me to make it and he made"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "it. But this dude, he's like has a"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "target on his back."}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "Yeah, for real."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "So, he's been imprisoned in Zimbabwe"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "multiple times for just different things"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "that like"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "he came to the US at one point and he"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "was poisoned and almost died and then"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "fled back to Zimbabwe. He cannot get any"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "of his patents patented because the"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "patent like in the description says that"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "if it defies physics, it cannot be"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "patented. Were there actually updates in"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "physics maybe midcentury that were not"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "disclosed to the public?"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "We had meetings in DC in May. They"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "literally said, \"Well, you know, during"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "the Cold War, we we classified entire"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "areas of physics and took them out of"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "the research community, entire branches"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "of physics, basically went dark and"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "didn't proceed. And that if we if we"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "decide we need to, we're going to do the"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "same thing to to ma to the math"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "underneath AI.\""}, {"end": "00:12:52", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "Another puzzle we would love to have"}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "cleared up, the role of aerospace"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:52", "text": "companies as holders of potentially"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "basic scientific knowledge. not shared"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "with the academic world. Is it possible?"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "It's um true."}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "You believe it's true?"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "Yeah, I know it's true."}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "That would be this crazy egregious."}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "It would change our entire concept of"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "who we are if somebody kept fundamental"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "physics secret in the years since we"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "became capable of exploding fusion"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "devices. I would grab a pitchfork"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "and a tiki torch and I would march on"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "the National Science Foundation."}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "You're involved with exoskeletons,"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "correct? Last night I ran a sub8 mile in"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "an exoskeleton. If I'm able to just like"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "put on an exoskeleton and run a 7-inute"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "mile, imagine what that could do on a"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "Navy Seal. That is where the Navy Seal"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "is going to be in just a few years. I"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "think it's going to be hard for robots"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "to compete with that guy. How does the"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "exoskeleton work? Different exoskeletons"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "work in different ways. This particular"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "one basically is sensing your motion"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "based on your actual motion. It actually"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "has an onboard AI algorithm that is"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "trying to predict what you're doing and"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "then it applies force that matches. Then"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "the crazy thing is eventually someday"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "and I think this is a way out just for a"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "variety of basically invasive surgical"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "reasons. Eventually you'll be able to"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "read those signals right from the brain"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "directly. Imagine a world where you're"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "wearing an exoskeleton where the moment"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "your brain is telling your arm to move,"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "the exoskeleton starts moving your arm."}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "You could potentially make someone who's"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "literally 10 times faster at moving or"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "reacting. That's going to be the Navy"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "Seal of the future. And that guy is"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "going to be a beast. Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] I built"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "a device many years ago. I've screwed"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "around with it a lot of times. It"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "basically is a small sensor that you can"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "mount that is able to tell when you are"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "flexing muscles on your face. And I"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "hooked that up to another electrical"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "actuator. Even use like a 10's unit."}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "It's a lot like a TENS unit. And I made"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "it so that whenever I barely start to"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "flex a muscle up here in my face, it"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "sends a signal wirelessly to a patch I"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "have on my arm that fully fires this"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "tendon and makes me pull my trigger"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "finger."}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "Oh my goodness. This is one of the"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "wildest things I have seen. And this is"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "not your average robot. This is the"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "clone alpha by Clone Robotics. And this"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "contains all 206 bones that the human"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "body contains. and they are fully"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "articulated with artificial ligaments"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "and connective tissues. Now, they're"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "very high on the hand function of these"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "robots. I'm going to show you the raw"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "clip in a second, but just listen to"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "this. The hand functions with human"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "level thumbs, surgical precision, a"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "trigger finger, and it is compatible"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "with human tools. And it's not going to"}, {"end": "00:15:29", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "walk like other robots. It says,"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "\"Finally, a robot that walks naturally.\""}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:29", "text": "And it says, \"Do it once and the clone"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "will do it forever.\" They have a"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "telekinesis training platform. I don't"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "even know how that's possible. This"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "technology is absolutely insane. I guess"}, {"end": "00:15:43", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "you can reserve one of these things this"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "year in 2025. But just check out the raw"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:43", "text": "clip and the music that they used."}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "Show me"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "the same old thing. No use it. I will"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "never dream of your love to take me"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "there. Take me there."}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "Heat. Heat. N."}]

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Well, that's generally case, but"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "that's not the inspiration for Care"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "Court."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "But is there a political factor in this"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "for you"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "as an electoral strategy? I'm termed"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "out. That's not the issue. The politics"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "here is compassion. The politics is"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "purpose."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "You may be termed out here, but does"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "cleaning up the streets of California"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "factor into a potential presidential"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "run?"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "I'm never going to overpromise that in"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "the short run. I mean, we are struggling"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "in this state. Homelessness. No. Housing"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "and homelessness."}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "People suggest that cleaning up"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "California streets could be part of a"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "larger political strategy for you."}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "I think I I think that's table stakes. I"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "think that's just a foundational"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "responsibility of anyone that gets into"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "my position. That's the day job. It's"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "not about some grand ambition."}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "Absolutely not."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "Is that a yes or a no?"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "That was a was a neverending uh response"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "to your question. maybe Jerry Brown who"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "was mayor of Oakland and had been"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "governor"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "and was governor twice and mayor of"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "Oakland. But Gavin Newsome was 8 years a"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "city council person,"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "8 years a lieutenant governor, 8 years a"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "mayor, and he will be 8 years a"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "governor. So he'll have 32 years in the"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "Bay Area where is Bay Area not LA is now"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "with Silicon Valley money and leftwing"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "but that's what runs California."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "So he's more responsible and he has been"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "overseeing all the regulations that"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "we're going to get rid of refineries and"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "he bullied them and bullied them and"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "bully them. You got to have the"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "California Air Resources Board does this"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "and you have to have this blend and you"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "have to do that. And finally they said,"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "\"You know what?"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "we're going to go somewhere else. You"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "keep importing oil from the Saudis and"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "you complete you're going to have to"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "come, you know, import gas from Nevada"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "or I don't know, Arizona. Go ahead and"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "Texas. I don't know. But we're not going"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "to do it anymore. And that whole"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "Richmond corridor for Northern"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "California, they're going to leave. And"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "gas will go up to about $8 a gallon. And"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "all the left-wing millionaires along the"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "coastal corridor will be happy. But he's"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "he's going to panic because they're"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "going to look at that when he wants to"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "run for president. and his Democratic"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "primary rivals will bring it up. What's"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "the price of Cal? That's what Ronda"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "Santis did when he beat him in that"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "debate. What's the price of gas? How"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "many people have left California versus"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "Florida? What's your tax rate versus"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "ours? Here's how many people you have"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "and here's your budget and here's how"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "many people we have in our budget. And"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "he's done all of that. And so, remember"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "that line in Animal House where what was"}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "that guy's name? I know everybody know"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "Dean Worml or what worml wormer. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "He says to the fat"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "warmer"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "going through life fat lazy and ugly. Is"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "that what he says? Fat, ugly, and lazy"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "is no way to go through life. I feel"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "like I somebody should say to being"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "incoherent, incompetent,"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "and I don't know what else corrupt is no"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "way to go through being a governor,"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "Gavin. Because everything you've done"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "from highspeed rail to the tax rate at"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "13.3"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "to gasoline tax that you're now"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "increasing it's going to be the high it"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "is the highest in the nation to 40 cents"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "a kilowatt to Stonehinge highspeed rail"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "to I drove we drove home today from Blo"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "Park on the 152 from Gilroy to Casad"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "hasn't changed in 60 years 70 years I"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "remember going three or four years old,"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "four years old. And that's your legacy."}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "And the LA fire, the Aspen fire, the"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "Paradise fire, all of that. It's it's"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "you took Paradise and you made it into"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "purgatory. That's what you did. And then"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "you every once in a while went to Napa"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "wine tasting while people were trying to"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "get a permit in LA. and you went to the"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "French Laundry while you shut down"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "everybody else and you can't help but"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "living you're living in a $9 million"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "house. Your wife has government"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "contracts. You were a Nepo baby that got"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "everything from the Getty family and now"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "you're kind of a character. He does that"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "little neck thing. What is that? He goes"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "back and forth with his neck and it"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "doesn't work anymore, Gavin. The hair"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "slicker and the bat. All that doesn't"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "work. Every once in a while you put on"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "your Abberombian fish workc clothes and"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "you go out by that nightmare train yard"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "by the port of LA, remember where they"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "loot everything and then you he takes"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "picks up with his little gloves or he"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "goes to the paradise fire and he digs a"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "little ash and puts it in a bucket or"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "something. It doesn't work anymore. He's"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "just a total failure. You destroyed a"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "whole you destroyed the most successful"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "most beautiful state in the world. And"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "the reason, the only reason it's even"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "viable is because people unlike you,"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "Pat Brown of whom was a Democrat, but he"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "was a good governor, Ronald Reagan,"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "George Dick Mason, Pete Wilson, they"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "built the state and you're living on"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "their work and you're trying to destroy"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "it, but they they were so,"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "I don't know, so industrious and so"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "imaginative that it's very hard to"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "destroy in just your 32 years in as a"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "public official to destroy. But you're"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "managing He's got a little bit more to"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "go. What will he come up next? I"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "remember that Donald Trump, they ask him"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "about Gavin Newsome. And I like the way"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "Trump just matter matter of factly says"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "something that could even either be"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "termed childies or outrageous or true."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "True. So they said, \"How about what's"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "your relations with Gavin Newsome?\" He's"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "a nice guy. Everybody knows he's utterly"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "incompetent. says that to utterly"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "incompetent. No other politician would"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "say that, but it's true."}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "Well, the biggest change from that"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "statement is we have an incompetent"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "governor. So, I talked about governors,"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "but I didn't talk about he's an"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "incompetent governor. Look at the job"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "he's doing in California. He's"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "destroying one of our great states. And"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "if I didn't get involved, if we didn't"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "bring the guard in, and we would bring"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "more in if we needed it because we have"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "to make sure there's going to be law and"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "order. uh you had uh a disaster"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "happening, but you have a governor who"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "let the city burn down. Didn't didn't"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "want water to be sent down to him. You"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "know, I sent billions of gallons of"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "water. I said I wanted to do it in the"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "first term. He wouldn't do it over I"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "don't know. They have environmental"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "reasons, but there were no environmental"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "reasons. It's uh I think it's just a"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "political philosophy. I think what I'm"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "getting at is all the the the left-wing,"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "we are moral, we are for equality of"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "result, we're for the little guy, we're"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "for this. It all filters down and that"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "these people are horrible. They're"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "oligarchs. They're garbage. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "think about the United States garbage."}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "What Biden called half the country"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "garbage chumps. Gregs."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "And just the other day, a speaker at his"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "rally called Puerto Rico a floating"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "island of garbage. Well, let me tell you"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "something. I don't I I I don't know the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "Puerto Rican that that I know or Puerto"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "Rico where I've in my home state of"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "Delaware. They're good, decent,"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "honorable people. The only garbage I see"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "floating out there is his supporters."}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "His his his demonization seen as"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "unconscionable and it's unamerican. It's"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "totally contrary to everything we've"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "done, everything we've been."}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "Hillary called them deplorables and"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "irredeemables. You know, Obama called"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "them,"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "guess we call clers. Peter Struck and"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "Lisa Page said that you could smell them"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "in Walmart. Same thing happened in"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "Eur's, you know, European right-wing"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "people are threatened all the time and"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "nobody stops it. And so it just filters"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "down and it lowers the bar of"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "acceptability. And the same thing with"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "the riots. I mean, if you make your hero"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "Obagard Garcia and you're told he's an"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "M13 member and you are told there's"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "serious questions whether he really did"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "was in danger about his grandmother when"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "he couldn't be, but that he had been"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "involved himself in a plot to kill"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "people. And if there is serious"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "allegations that he was a trafficker on"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "a 100 different trips and you make him a"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "hero, then a lot of people start to"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "think I I could be a hero. And you say"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "that's you legitimize violence. So"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "you're in the street and Gavin Newsome"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "says that that ICE is reckless. It's"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "it's chaotic. And Karen Bass says to"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "people, \"This won't stand. We're not"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "going to let this stand.\" And"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "Representative Torres, I guess her name"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "is, she says, \"Get the f out of here.\""}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "That's where Maxine Olsen tries to go"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "into it. What I'm getting at is they"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "create the atmospherics that allow"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "people to come out of the woodwork and"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "shoot people on the on the assumption"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "that they will be they're either"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "delusional and they think it's okay and"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "there won't be any ramifications or they"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "think if they're caught they'll be"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "famous. They'll get somebody like Taylor"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "Loren to interview Manion and she said,"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "you know, basically he was cute."}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "Remember the Saruff brothers? They put"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "the one of the brothers on Rolling Stone"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "as if he was a heartthrob. She is going"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "to go down really when you start to look"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "at this is one of the biggest fraud and"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "crooks in our generation. $20 million to"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "one of her friends in a law firm for"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "what? For voting irregularity or"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "something. This is you get on election"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "denialism. This is a woman who for 2"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:48", "text": "years said that she was the governor of"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "Georgia. She lost by 50,000 votes to"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "Kemp. And yet she went around and she"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "was feeded by everybody as the real, you"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "know, as the real governor. So she's"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "never really won anything since her she"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "was a state representative. She's failed"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "in everything she's run for. And yet"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "she's a heartthrob of the left for some"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "reason. I don't know why that is, but uh"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "she's not very competent. She's not an"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "appealing character. She's hard left,"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "but she makes she's up there with Hunter"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "Biden and Joe Biden in grifting. And how"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "how she gets away with it, I don't know"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "how the we're dealing with a 2.1"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "somewhere between 1.9 and 2.1 budget"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "deficit. And we just that crazy Biden"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "team printed $7 trillion before they"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "were done. And that money was just"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "lavished on all of these left-wing"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "people. and nobody's asking for it to be"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "paid back. There's no accounting."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "So, there should be an investigation of"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "her and her financial impropriy. It"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "really should be."}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "No,"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "I will never dream of your love. Take me"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "there. Take me there."}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "Hey."}]