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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Yesterday, Elon Musk, all these videos"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "are going viral. They're everywhere. And"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "they're like, \"Nah, this is AI.\" My"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "son's like, \"That's AI. This is AI."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "That's\" I'm like, \"No, Tesla tweeted"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "this. No, that's AI.\" And then all of a"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "sudden, you're like, \"Elon is talking"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "about this. We have to have an audience"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "here. Matter of fact, there's a video. I"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "don't know if you have the video or not."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "I'll send it to you in a minute.\" Elon's"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "like, \"We had to have an audience"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "because people are not going to believe"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "what we're launching today. They're"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "going to say this is AI and it's not."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "This is real.\" So this car all of a"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "sudden starts flying, flipping, turning"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "around. And for the people that have"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "vertigo, you're watching this saying, \"I"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "would never in a million years want to"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "do this.\" I just want you to show see"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "this here. And then by the way, did you"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "guys see the car that he did? How fast"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "it went 0 to 60? Did you see that clip?"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> One second."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> It went 0 to 16.8. 1 second. Vinnie, you"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "have to see that. It's insane. Go ahead"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "and play this clip. Go for it."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> Watch this again. This is not AI"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> sexy."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "Like,"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> bro, like how is that?"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Like, how is that real?"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> No, I'll tell you. You're telling me"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "that's real?"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> That is real."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> That just happened."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> That just happened. There's an audience"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "there. That just And that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "clips. I'm about to send a couple other"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "clips to the guys in the back. And the"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "best Watch this. Watch this. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Go. Play. Keep playing it. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "one."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> Oh, that music."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "Me and you in there are throwing up"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> horribly."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> You know what the question Tico kept"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "asking?"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Is there anybody in the car? Dylan kept"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "asking, \"Is there anybody in the car?\""}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "I'm like, \"That's actually a pretty good"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "question.\" If somebody was in the car."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "So, this announcement comes out. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "guesstimating the Tesla stock today when"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "the market opens, if it it already did."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Can we look at how Tesla stock is doing,"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Tom?"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": ">> You think it's real quick? I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "don't know. When you do a launch like"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "that, people have to sit there and say,"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "\"Okay, it's up.\" Nothing crazy, less"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "than a percent, but it just started. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "we'll see what happened with the"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "announcement."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Hey, go back to 5 days real quick."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Yep. There's the car taking off right"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "there at the end. That's it."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> So, go to the video. Go to the top left."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Go to the top left with Elon speaking."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Is this the one where he says, \"We had"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "to do this live because some of it may"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "be AI.\" Go ahead. Go for it. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> All right. You're going to see some"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "crazy stuff tonight."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "we need an audience to prove that it's"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "not AI or SI"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> so you guys can tell people you saw it"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "with your eyes because what you see with"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "your eyes you will not believe"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> there's not a lot"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> uh but you're going to see the results"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "of what happens when you have a"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "collaboration with the world's best car"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "company and the world's best rocket"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "company"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> [cheering]"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": ">> you think he's slightly competitive."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> And this is this is the culmination of"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "uh incredible work by Tesla and SpaceX"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "engineers working closely together"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:08", "text": ">> to make something that you haven't seen"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "in any movie"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "uh that uh better than any James Bond"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "car. You're going to see"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> You can pause it right there. Let me"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "show one more and then I'm going to come"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "to you for Adam."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Can you do me Can you do me a favor? Uh,"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "play the clip of Elon on Rogan. The"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "first time he's on there. Okay, this is"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "very important. This the first time he's"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "on Rogan. They're having a conversation."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Elon's explaining to him what he's"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "building. Watch this clip. Go for it."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Put rocket thrusters on it."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> For real."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:38", "text": ">> He's laughing. He's thinking he's"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "joking."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Nothing. Uh, ultra high pressure"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "compressed air."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> 2018 cold gas thrusters. Now, do you"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "have to have air tanks or are they"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "sucking air out of Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> Yeah, just have electric pump."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Pump it up to like 10,000 PSI."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> And how fast are we talking? Listen. 0"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "to 60."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> How fast do you want to go? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Put a rocket thrusters on."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> How fast do you want to go?"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Okay. So, Adam, thoughts on this?"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Okay. Uh just a question like do you"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "think this is shaping up to be a race"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "like uh like we have to win the flying"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "car race cuz like uh we lost 4G, we lost"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "5G, the trains, you know."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:17", "text": ">> I I don't know about business. I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "asking you guys."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> What do you think, Tom? How do what do"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "you think? That's a pretty good"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> Like China like China and also we have"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "to protect this IP"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "better at at protecting their patents."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> Oh, and stealing"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> RD and R&D. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> Tom, what do you think? Look, I just"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "went to look to see if I How do you get"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "one? And it says by invitation only. You"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "know, there's two levels of it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "But 5,000 down, 45 invited. I got a"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> Yep. I was invited for two. You got one"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "or two?"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> Uh, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "so basically um this is this is known as"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "a flagship car. Uh the hypercars, the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "flagship cars, all the car companies do"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "it. But this happens to be exactly what"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "he said. A collaboration between the"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "world's best rocket company and the"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "world's best car company. And he's"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "putting together here what you saw"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "there. It worked. It was there were um"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "under the car there were things that"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "were sucking and it was holding the car"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "down to the ground."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> And that's when it went upside down. And"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "then when you see that it twirls, you'll"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "see out to the side there's like a"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "little puff. That is a that is a as he"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "said 10,000 PSI coal gas thruster"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "spraying to the side and what that does"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "it makes it rotate. It's the same thing"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "that's on the side of if you go look at"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "the old Apollo command module. These are"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "the same things that's on the side of"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "the space shuttle which are these little"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "jets on the side that cause things to"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "turn. And so everything you saw here was"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "real. I completely understood it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "You look over there on the top left"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "picture. Top left picture. You see those"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "little square jets on the side? There's"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "one point in north,southeast, west there"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "on the side of them. That's just what he"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "DID ON A FREAKING CAR ON EARTH. And so"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "this is like a hypercar flagship showing"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "people it goes up the ramp, sucks itself"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "to the ceiling, jumps off, the thruster"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "fires, rotates it around, then the"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "thrusters fire down the same way that"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "they land the rocket by firing it in"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "reverse and it"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> propulsive rockets that he has. The big"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "metal chopsticks come out and grab it."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> It's it's the same principle. what you"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "saw him returning to Earth with the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "rocket."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Pat"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> returns that car to the ground."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> But but my but my question is just this"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "is this is his hypercar. He's got five"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "aces. Five."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Would you buy one?"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Would I buy one? Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": ">> Have you ever bought a Tesla before?"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> Uh no I haven't."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Have you ever bought a Tesla before? No."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "Okay. Obviously I'm not asking."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:35", "text": ">> Yeah, but I'm leaning towards it. I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "leaning towards it."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": ">> But hear me out. Would this make you"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "want to buy one? I've never owned a"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Tesla before in my life. Would this make"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "you say I want to buy one of these cars?"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": ">> It's a super car. It looks It looks"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "That's it. It's just I would"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> But guys, here's my question."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": ">> Not the flying part. We're not going to"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "fly it. That's ridiculous."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> Well, that that's the question I want to"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "ask. [laughter] That's the question I"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "want to ask him. Was this demonstration"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "just to kind of show the car, but do all"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "that cuz it was"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> He said he doesn't know. He doesn't know"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "if he could do it."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": ">> Yeah. That's what I was saying is I"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "think this was just a spectacle event to"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "show like look how cool this is to bring"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "eyeballs to the car cuz a car is going"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "to go 368 mph which by the way I don't"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "know if you've been in one of these"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "cars. Tom put me in one of the uh"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> it's too dangerous."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> It's you're going to snap your neck"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "every single time. I think this was a"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "publicity thing which I love for the"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "vehicle. I don't think it's going to do"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "that. It's not going to flip around. But"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "but but aren't we like what do you make"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "of the fact that like we from what I"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "understand you guys are businessmen so"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "you know like 64 of I think 72"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "like crucial uh like uh races uh China"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "has the advantage in we only have eight"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "I believe out of those uh 72 like uh do"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "you think that this is like a crucial"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "kind of uh thing that we need to kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "because in R&D it feels like we're"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "falling way back solar we lost the"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "trains they've built Uh like like"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "supersonic trains, thousands of miles of"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "them. California can't build like a"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "hundred feet of it."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Yeah, we know, Gavin. Some screwed that"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "up for us, man."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": ">> Well, no, it's all the municipalities."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "They have and they every municipality at"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "That's why Amtrak can't we don't have"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "highspeed rail. It's like you have to"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "get approval each time you go to a a new"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "county or new municipality. It's just"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "like it's impossible."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> What do you think? Do Do you think it is"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "that important to have flying cars? Do"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "you think that's a race that's important"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "to win?"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> I I don't know. I don't Now I'm asking"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "you guys and I don't see"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> I'm asking you. I want to know what you"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "think because you're asking a very good"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": ">> I think I don't know Elon Musk is"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "smarter than me. He has a trillion."}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": ">> That's not the question. I'll ask the"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "rest of you guys. Do you do you think"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "it's a big deal to be the first to come"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "up with the flying cars"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> versus China? You mean?"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Versus anybody?"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> Look, I'll just back up a second and I'm"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "going to answer your question. We talk"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "about having a long-term vision. Clearly"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "Elon Musk has a long-term vision."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Everything I'm thinking about these"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "flying cars, I'm just thinking of the"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "movie Back to the Future. Flying cars,"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "flying hoverboards. This is what's going"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "on here. He has a long-term vision."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "Connor said something earlier. He goes,"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "\"Anything you see Elon Mus do equate to"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "this one thing. Is this going to work on"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "Mars?\" Mars."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": ">> And that's basically what he's thinking."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "There's one part in in the movie Back to"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "the Future when he gets on there and"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "he's doing the um Johnny be good"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "and the crowd is like shocked and they"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "go he goes, \"Listen, you guys might not"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "be ready for this,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> but your kids are going to love it."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> Your kids are going to love it.\""}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> And that's the way I work at Elon. We"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "might not understand what he's doing"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "this year, this decade, but in 50 years"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "from now, a hundred years from now, when"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "Elon's not here, and his kids are"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "running the planet potentially, all"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "million of them, they're going to say,"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "\"Thank God did this and built all this.\""}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "Now, I'll say this about China as much."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "It seems like you're maybe worried about"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "China. And that's fine, but there's a"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "lot of metrics where we're kicking their"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "ass. It seems like you're only focusing"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "on Tesla over in China and then they"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "they just sold his IP. So like that's"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "what China do."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": ">> Yeah. And now they are beating us in"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "battery technology. They have"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "longerlasting."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> But there's a lot of things that we're"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "beating them and it doesn't seem like"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "you're focusing on that at all."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> Uh we lost 4G. We lost 5G."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> You're only focusing on the losses. We"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "have a lot of W's."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Uh I it looks like it's what 64 out of"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "uh 72. I mean like it's it's just made"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "those numbers up."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Yeah. No, look. I mean it's like"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "according uh what is it?"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "our GDP, our our national strength, our"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "national security. They're a third party"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "dictatorship."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Well, that Okay, so think of it this"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "way. I'm not advocating for it, but like"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "if you get uh a a grant to do research"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "in America, right? Um if your research"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "uh screws up, you lose your grant."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> In a centralized economy, uh they have"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "an advantage because they can screw up"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "25 times and then on the 26th time get"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "it right. So I'm just saying that"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "there's an inherent in terms of"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:45", "text": ">> they have students in our grant program"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "that are stealing the information and"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "trying to get back there"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> and they have girls that are going to"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "sleep with open AI engineers instead of"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "sexy girls."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> I see the point you're making and you're"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "pointing out that oh we're losing all"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "these races according to"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> we're losing I'm saying it's it's"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "trending the other way."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> You said that you said there were"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "certain ones of them that we lost."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "That's what I read. I'm asking you guys,"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "right? Well, let me ask you, how many of"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "those do you think are being compromised"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "by spies and things that have"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "infiltrated the college system, that"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "have infiltrated the grant system? And"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "so to say China is beating us here,"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "here, here, here, and here. Yeah. Some"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "of the some of them they are, but some"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "of them they're over here stealing"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> and that's how it's going back."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> That's what happened with Tesla."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": ">> Well, exactly right. Like Elon went over"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "to China, then they took his IP."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> That's exactly right."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": ">> I got a great pair of Jordans from them"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "also. And so I just I saw this article."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:33", "text": ">> Are they the ones with the stitching"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "that doesn't match? Cuz those are"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Vietnam."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> No, no, they they have they have great"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "until the Tesla Rollster. There's only"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "one car in the flying car market. Uh and"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> got to be China."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> Well, look look at this car, Pat. This"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "is this is Alf welcomes Tesla to the"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "electric flying car race by flying over"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "a roadster video."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> Who is this?"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> This is um AF."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": ">> Where's it from?"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> A L EF. I think this is ours. This is"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "This is American cuz I asked I asked"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "Chad GBT who's winning the race, who's"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "leading the car. It's and they said you"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "said a good thing Adam us it's us in"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "China."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> That is the ugliest car I've ever seen"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "in my life."}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> By wait [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "guys guys"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "Pat that's not a flying car that's a"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "hovercraft."}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> I know all about the show."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> Hang on. You know this. There's hover"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "there's hovercraft. See it blowing"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "underneath hovercrafts that will take"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "you across the English channel right"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "now. Big hovercraft."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> Let me let me let me show you. Let me"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "show you this."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Like a foil."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": ">> If if there is a conversation about"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "innovation of what's going on."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> 66 out of 74. Sorry, I missed I didn't"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "say the right. Here's the part to look"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "at."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> Oh, now it's five."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": ">> Here's the part. Adam, let me Adam, hang"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "tight, buddy. Hang tight. I'm here."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": ">> So, from 2003 to 2007, China led,"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "according to this one report on"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "different uh items statistically in the"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "area of technology, according to an"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "Australian independent strategic policy"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "think tank."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> China led in three, US led in 60. 03"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "to07. Then 19 to23 China led in 57 US"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "led in seven and then today uh the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "latest numbers what does it have here 66"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "out of 74 and then even 69 out of 74"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> the latest data and you look at the"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "China highspeed train versus California"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "China they have 50,400 kilometers US has"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "zero and California one that they"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "approved in 2008 and Newsome said he was"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "going to build it I don't know how much"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "money they gave him $21 billion no much"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "more than that nothing ended up"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "happening there in the state of"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "California."}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> China could just destroy your farm,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "right? Like they could eminent domain"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "anything, right? Like you can't do it in"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "or they could land in Minnesota with"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "pathogens to destroy your crops."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": ">> Well, no, I'm just saying if they could"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "build thousands of miles of uh train"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "tracks, we have the technology, but they"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "could just like burn like destroy like"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "take"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> like you want to move to China."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> I'm just saying these are their inherent"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "This is why they've developed China. I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "saying inherently their system has made"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "them develop faster because they they"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "don't have to adhere to our laws. Why do"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "you hate America that doesn't have"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "elections?"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> I don't hate America. I'm just looking"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "at the data, right? I want America to"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "win. I love it's coming around."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": ">> What do you mean? I What you think that"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "means I hate America? I'm just saying"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "look at the scoreboard and we got to get"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "we got to get bring our lead back."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": ">> Right. We can't ignore the score. We"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "can't be down 100 zero and say we're"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "winning,"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:18", "text": ">> right? It's like"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:19", "text": ">> Go ahead, Pat."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:20", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> No, no."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "by the way this is actually very good"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "point you have to think about that to me"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "when it is a it is a real thing when you"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "are competing you have to sit there and"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "think about innovation"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": ">> for some of you yesterday we're at this"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "event this guy comes up to me says hey"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "so the FLB shoes before I buy you know"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "what size do they run is it one size"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "high one size this and you know and"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "Tom's like look if you if you they run a"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "little bit bigger half size bigger so if"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "you want to get this get this size right"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "there the guy buys an FB shoe sitting"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "right next to Tom and we both had FLB"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "shoes on but I want you to watch this"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "year for the loafers. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "He says, \"This guy's a full-on badass.\""}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "All these things about you that scares"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "the out of everybody, the enemy."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "And you come in today, your only request"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "from us is Pop-Tarts. You ask for"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Pop-Tarts."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Not Pop-Tarts. We've never had a"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Pop-Tart request. How long has that been"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "a thing with you?"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> I love them brown sugar pop-tarts."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> The brown sugar pop-tart?"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Every time I talk about this, I'll"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "get a I got Pop-Tart underwear, socks,"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> literally."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": ">> Uh, seriously. Right. Uh, Pop-Tart"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "t-shirts. Like people send me Pop-Tarts"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "stuff, but the Pop-Tarts comes from when"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "I went out alone. I flew my P started"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "out in a Sada and I told my boss, I was"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "like, \"Hey, we don't got no beef jerky,"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "no nothing.\" You know, we're who we are."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "You know what I mean?"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "And what's a 101 faceoff you had with a"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "guy, an enemy that he was sizing you up"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "that you're like, I don't think this"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "guy's scared and I got to make a"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "statement. Did you have a lot of those"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "moments?"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> once."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> Never once?"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> You ain't sizing me up, I'd already put"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "you down. What are you talking about?"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Why would I let it get this far?"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> It's how you survive."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "Why would you let anyone square up on"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "you? Such a bad idea. I would already"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "stop this."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> But if you're trying to get information"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "out of him, you kill me, you didn't get"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "anything out of him."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> A guy squares up on me, I'm going to put"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "him down. I could care less what he"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "knows right now."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> Squares up, you're putting him down?"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Let people threaten you during"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "war? It's a risk you and your guys can't"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "take, especially in small teams. I"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "wouldn't even let that happen. Or if a"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "guy wanted to square up on me, I'd"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "already be gone. If I was alone, I"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "wouldn't even allow it to happen. So why"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "even get there?"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "How intentional can somebody be to be"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "selected versus because sometimes people"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "are like, \"Well, there's a there's guys"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "that are in Delta and they don't even"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "know what the selection process is.\""}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "What is your impression of what the"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "selection process is to get into Delta?"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> It's hard."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "It's hard."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> What do they look for? What What do they"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "look for?"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> Oh, um I had it explained to me like"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "this once from one of the shrinks. Um,"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "if every human being is on a scale from"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "like 1 to 100, right? Like they're"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "looking for guys at like 89.7"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "to 89.9."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "And you got you got to fit in that"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "psychological number and or you're out."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "Like it's that simple. You know what I"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "mean? You have the"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "the mental whatever that is. I don't I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "not a shrink or a doctor, but whatever"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "that is, you got to fit first. So, like"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "guys that don't make it, I don't think"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "it's no harm, no foul. You didn't fit."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "The maybe you were 89.91."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Did you see a pattern amongst all the"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "guys that were being selected? And were"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "you ever in the process of selection or"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "that you were not in that?"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Uh, I never were I never did selection"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "or anything like that."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> So, who does selection? Is it all X"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "Delta guys that do selection or current"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "delta?"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> They run their own selection. Do I mean"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "it's a it's a task. You'll do it. So"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "let's just say if I do Delta and they"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "may come to me and say, \"Hey Pat, we"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "like the way you think. We want to bring"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "you to be part of the selection"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "process.\" Who gets that job to select?"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> Yeah. That's like the crown jewels. You"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> So, was Mike part?"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": ">> It's only secret in the army."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Are you being serious right now?"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm being serious. The only secret"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "in the army is the selection process."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Why is it such a big secret?"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> I don't know. Because, you know, it's uh"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "you're dealing with human beings at the"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "highest level."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> I'd keep it secret so the Chinese"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "couldn't steal it from us. You know what"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "I mean?"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> I mean, I don't know. Super soldier"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "[ __ ] Who the who know who who the [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "knows?"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> So, when you went through the selection"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "process, who interviewed you?"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:14", "text": ">> Uh, well, the unit runs all their own"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "stuff. So the army, you know, they have"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "shrinks. They have it's all internal"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "army."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> But is it a recommendation? Is it kind"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "of like we got this guy here, John"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Mackey, I think you guys going to like"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "him. You guys got to talk to this guy."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "Does your E9 or your first off to make"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "that recommendation?"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> There's no one talking about it. First"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "off, you they screen your packet and"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "that allows you to go to selection and"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "then you got to walk. You got to do you"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "got to do the whole selection."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "So you got to walk the walk first."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> How long is the selection process?"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> Uh it's like a month"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "something like that."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> So you went to Ranger school, you also"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "went to special forces school in. So is"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "it like a school you go through or at"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "that point they already know?"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": ">> It's a selection."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> It's a selection just like you know when"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "you go through Rangers I went through"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "RIP now they call it RASP. When I went"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "through special forces they call it the"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "Q course. You know what I mean? like or"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "uh SF was it SFAS back then? I don't"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "know what it's called now. Right. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "it's its own selection course."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> Would would you be able to speculate"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "what they look for? Like if you were to"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "say I'm speculating that they would look"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "for this, this, this, and that."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm not a shrink, but I would tell"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "you this is what they're looking for. A"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "man who won't drive himself is not worth"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "driving. They don't want that guy. A man"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "that'll drive himself into the ground,"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "they want that guy."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Tell me more."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Well, that's like one of the things they"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "always say. You know, if a guy's not"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "worth driving, I'm not driving him. But"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "if a guy's worth driving himself and"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "he's a true professional and he'll work"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "hard and he'll do stuff, that's the guy"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "we want. So, it's not really I don't you"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "know the you know the world these days"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "like I get all these questions these"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "days. What were you thinking? I was"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "thinking [ __ ] survive. You know what"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "I mean? Like so I I don't think there"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "was a I don't think there's like a maybe"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "from a psychologist there's some like a"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "psychologist could tell you deep level"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "stuff but I I think it's simple is like"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "they're looking for guys who want to be"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "there want to do you know what I mean"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "like doers that's what they're looking"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "for. I always say this is like every"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "team I've ever been on, I'll take all"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "you take kids out of school. I'll take"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "all the bored underachievers out of"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "school that are problem kids. I'll take"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "every one of them."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Why is that?"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Because we'll make an army out of them"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "cuz they're bored because they're not"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "engaged."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> Okay, so that's one. Bored."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": ">> Bored underachievers. There's tons of"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "them. It was me in school, you know? I"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "got like C's. I didn't want to be in"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "school. It's stupid."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "So the reason why this is so interesting"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "to me because I have a lot of guys John"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "that their their dream was to be Delta"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "and they did they were Gunko soldiers"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "ran 12 mile 2 mile 12 minute 2 miles"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "they did the 82 push-up 82 sit-ups and"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "they did the correspondence classes they"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "did everything you asked them and they"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "were early late"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> you know they did everything you wanted"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "them to go they had no problem going to"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "the back 40 regularly they would do all"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "that stuff and it was their gym you want"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "me to get deployed to Cam Casey, you"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "want me to go over here? Anything you"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "said they would do, but they never got"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "selected. So, it's not like they were"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "not doers."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> So, you know, is there do they didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "fit between 87.7"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "and 89.1, you know what I mean? They"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "could have been one point off and they"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "don't get the"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> the nod, I guess. I don't know what the"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "army does."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> So, when you went in, was it like a"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "dream or was it like, \"All right, it's a"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "job. All right, this is"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> I had no idea. There was no internet."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Like I didn't know what I was doing."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> You literally had no idea what built"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> I mean like you hear rumors but like no"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "one knew back then. You didn't know back"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "then?"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> I didn't know back then at all."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> Like no one knew. Like the internet has"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "changed the game dramatically, you know?"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "But uh I didn't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] I"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "just figured I was in seventh group and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "like I don't know these guys. But it"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "wasn't the first guys that came and"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "talked to me about selections. You know,"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "there's other selections in the army"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "that guys that like try to recruit me"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> not not for Delta, for other things."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> What what would be other things? Would"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> Well, what would they be? I don't know."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "I didn't go. But that guy's kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "recruiting pitch sucked. You know what I"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "mean? Like"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> what was the second guy's recruiting"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "pitch? What?"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> It was like It was like I was like, \"So,"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "what would I do?\" And he was like, \"You"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "would have great job satisfaction.\" I"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "was like, I mean, I could make brake"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "parts in a brake factory and like that,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "too, but it doesn't mean I want to do"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "it. You know what I mean? He was like,"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "you would have. That's what he kept"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "saying to me. Great job. He had no"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "answers. Like, he couldn't even tell me."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> So, what sold a guy like you with the"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "second time on"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> um man, uh these guys like said they"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "kicked doors, you know what I mean? Like"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "at least they gave me an answer, you"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "know? I felt like the other guy just"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "talked in a big circle. Who wants to"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "work for people like that,"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> John? When that process happens and"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "you're being selected the second time,"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "what does the unit say? Do they just"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "say, \"Oh, John got, you know, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "he went to a different unit.\" What's the"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "language they speak at the unit? And do"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "they tell you? Like I I got a call"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "yesterday, a pretty big business event"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "that's taking place and this lady tells"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "me, \"Hey, you're going to be a part of"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "this if you accept it. I'm on a contract"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "with them. So, but if you do this, you"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "can't talk about this, this, this, this,"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "this, and that.\" And she ran through the"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "entire thing with me. I said, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "great.\" It's like a secret highlevel"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "secret clearance for business. Okay. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "do they tell you if we go through this"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "process, you can't talk to your wife,"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "you can't talk to your friends, you"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "can't tell them this, you can't tell"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "them that. You're going to go and you're"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "going to disappear. What What happens"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "next once you're selected?"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": ">> All that. Yeah. You disappear. You"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "already nailed it."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Wife. I mean, yeah, your your wife"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "knows. Uh, I never really told my mom"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "cuz my mom would have told everybody,"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "you know what I mean? So, I never really"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "told my mom. Uh, but she would come to"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "my house and be like, you had a beard,"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "you know, and just trimming my beard at"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "my nipples with scissors, you know what"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "I mean, in the field. And like I come"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "home and she'd be like, \"You're in the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "army.\" And be like, \"I'm in the army.\""}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Like, \"Here's my ID card.\" You know what"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "I mean? Like,"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "so you're in the army? your grandfather"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "was in the army and he was clean shaven."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "You're in the army. I'm like, I am in"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "the army, mom. But that's really all I"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "told her."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": ">> So, you didn't want to tell mom. Wife"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "knew. How did How do they know that"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "wife's not going to say anything? Do"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "they tell you? You can tell your wife."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> Yeah, there's briefings. It's very"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:49", "text": ">> Do they have a briefing with her or"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> Oh, of course."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> Oh, seriously."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> So, first process is conversation with"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "you. second meeting is with you and your"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "wife or"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": ">> No, no, no, no, no. there were as you"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "are kind of like getting ingrained"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "there's like meetings and stuff you know"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "like you know and then I'm sure it's"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "look I was preocial media you know what"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "I mean pre- cell phones paper army it"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "was different back then god only knows"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "what they got to tell people today [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": ">> you know what I mean like god only knows"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "like so so much simpler back in my day"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> what what what how do they know that a"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "wife of a soldier that's about to go"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "delta uh is loyal to the secrets that"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "you're committing to. So, let's just say"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "the marriage doesn't work out. She's"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "going to go out and my job. I don't"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "know. And whoever's dealing with them"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "wives, good luck. I just want to go on"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "the range and blow [ __ ] up. I could care"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "less."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> That's kind of how you looked at it."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> Oh, could care less."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> I was skydiving, you know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "Like I was shooting every day, you know"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "what I mean? And then like after we get"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "done shooting, it's like, \"Hey Pat, you"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "want to go do jiu-jitsu? Let's go.\" You"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "know what I Was there was there a"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "personality pattern with guys that were"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "in Delta? Like were they were they all"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "fairly charismatic, charming,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "entertaining? Cuz even when I talked to"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "my buddy, he says, \"You can tell stories"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "better than anybody else he's met in his"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "life.\" Was it kind of like cuz when I"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "sit down with mobsters and I sit down"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "with guys that became under boss, like"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "Italian mafia, when you talk, one of the"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "things all of them have in common,"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> they're all great storytellers."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> They all know how to tell a story. They"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "all know how to kind of walk you through"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "what happened, why they did it. Was"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "there a pattern with all of them having"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "charisma and charm and personalities?"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, you know, look, it's 88.7 88.9"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "like it's a these guys are so similar."}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "Like, but I will tell you this is like I"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "always felt like for me, I always felt"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "like I had to work hard every day to be"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "where I was. And but I did feel like"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "those guys you talk about, they got"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "their Boston Marathon T-shirts, they got"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "they do all the push-ups, they do all"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "the sit-ups, they're faster than any"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "human being I've ever seen. And like you"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "see them and you see these guys at"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "selection and it's like super"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "intimidating cuz like I'm just working"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "hard to be here. You know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "And like these guys are doing all this"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "[ __ ] and then"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "when you pass election I don't know"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "where they go but a lot of those guys go"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "away. But there is, I'm telling you,"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "genetic specimens there. These guys are"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "just inc I can't say enough good about"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "the guys they select. And the guys that"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "are in the squadrons, they're so [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "good, so talented. And I always felt"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "like there was stuff I was good at, and"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "what I was not good at, I worked on"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "every day."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Handmade in Portugal, where"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "craftsmanship is a way of life. For"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "those who move through life differently."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "From sunlit decks to nights that never"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "need an occasion. Every detail is"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "considered. Every step effortless."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Crafted from fine suede and built with"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "builder technology. Designed to move"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "with you. Because true luxury isn't"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "about being noticed. It's about how you"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "feel when you arrive. The FLB icon"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "loafer"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "made for the life you've earned."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "If you enjoy this video, you want to"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "watch more videos like this, click here."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "And if you want to watch the entire"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "podcast, click here."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "My focus, my thoughts, [music] my"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "everything was about war. I was good at"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "it. I could save lives every day. When I"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "would go out, I felt like God less guys"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "got hurt. Where else should I be? Who"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "else needs me more? I'm not going to sit"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "here and say I was a great father and,"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "you know, lack the responsibility of my"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "focus, my thoughts, [music] my"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "everything was about war. And if I"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "wasn't there, who was? And if I'm not"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "there helping people, who's going to"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "help people? And that's where my"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "thoughts"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "I'm sorry, where does patriotism come"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "from? What is the ultimate way of"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "showing patriotism?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> Serving."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Okay, why don't you join the US Army?"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "Join the flipping military."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> It's more about just giving back to your"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "country. It's not so much just joining"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "the military. How do you You could show"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "your patriotism by not joining the"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "military. That's not the only"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "qualification of how you can show your"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "patriotism. Why why don't Hindus join"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "the military at all?"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "I don't know the answer. I didn't join"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "the military. That doesn't make me less"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "patriotic. I went to college. I played"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "football."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> But I get it. But I'm sorry, Adam. Jews"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "go join the IDF. Very high percentage."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> to. What do you mean they have to?"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Why do they have to?"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Well, it's in in Israel it's mandatory."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Why why do they do?"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Ask I don't know I don't know I didn't"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "do that either. So ask that."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> It's called patriotism towards their"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "[music] country."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> And I have a problem with that."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "I have a problem with Hindus, Buddhists,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> and Jews who don't want to join the US"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "military. I'm sorry, I'm a freaking"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> But that doesn't make you"}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "What would happen when you guys were"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "fully active in the8s?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "If a innocent young girl was raped by an"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "older 30, 40year-old boy, man, what"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "would you guys do? How would the mob get"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "involved?"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> We would kill him."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Did you guys take it upon yourself with"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "men like this to get rid of him?"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> Sure. Sure. I'm a child molester"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "on the streets in Benson Ice, Brooklyn"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "or a rapist. [music] I think he would"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "get killed."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "I don't think he would get killed if my"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "time if you're talking he would get"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "killed."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "I I wrote a book called How Language"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "Began in which I argued that language"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "originated before Homo sapiens with Homo"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "erectus."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> linguists thought that was crazy. But"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "then an archaeologist from the"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "University of Liverpool in England wrote"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "me and he said, \"I agree with you and my"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "specialty is Homo erectus.\" And so we"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "wrote a couple of articles together"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "arguing that Homo erectus had language,"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "but in the last couple of years"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "Larry Barham is his name and in the last"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "couple of years he discovered the oldest"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "wooden structure known"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "500,000-year-old"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "joined pieces of wood"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "that were made by Homo erectus. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "else was around at the time in in modern"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "day Zaire which probably was part of a"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "house that they had built. Um so Homo"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "erectus was capable of a lot more than"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "we think and they've been the most they"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "were the longest-living species of"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "humans. They started 2 million years"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "ago."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Yeah, there's uh"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> That's Larry right there in the fork in"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "right there"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "finding that piece of wood that looks"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:09", "text": ">> Is there a better photo of the piece of"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "wood?"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Yeah, there it is."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:12", "text": ">> Oh, there it is."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Yeah. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "the average person seeing that would"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "think"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> It looks like [clears throat] nothing."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> It looks like nothing, but it's 500,000"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "years old. It's two pieces of wood"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "joined together. And Larry had already"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "written"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "a book on this vast technological"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "improvement that putting two things"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "together meant. Um so he wrote about the"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "stone tools that didn't have handles and"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "then the great much greater efficiency"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "of stone tools that did have handles"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> and how putting two things together is a"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "great technological improvement. So that"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "piece of wood confirmed what he was"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "saying and also"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "we've both talked about you can't build"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "a canoe, you can't build a house, you"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "can't do that kind of thing. Yeah, so"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "you see it's"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> Well, that's that's a lot bigger."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> It's quite large, yes. And you can't do"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "this kind of thing without language."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "Uh so, Homo erectus"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Larry agrees with me, which makes me"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "very happy because he knows a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "more [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "a lot more about them than I do, that"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "had to have had language."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": ">> They had to have had language to be able"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "to construct something."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Right. And and so, they also Homo"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "erectus was not stopped by ocean"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "boundaries. We find"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Homo erectus um"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "on uh"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "uh islands off of uh"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "Africa. We find Homo erectus on Crete."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "We find Homo erectus"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "uh in on islands in Indonesia, on the"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "island of Flores. Um so, um"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "they were an amazing species of human."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "Uh and for some reason, some"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "archaeologists today don't even like to"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "call them human, but they were clearly"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "human. They stood about uh 5 ft 10, 5 ft"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "11."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> Homo erectus did?"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": ">> Yeah, men. And um"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "uh their brains were probably, you know,"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "if you take the skull off and scoop out"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "all the wet stuff and fill it with sand,"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "you measure how many cubic centimeters"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "of sand you get in the skull. And so,"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "the average"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "man, Homo sapiens today, has a a cranial"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "capacity of about 1,250 cc's."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "Uh Homo neanderthalensis"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "had a capacity of about 1,450 cc's."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "Their brains were bigger than ours."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "And Homo erectus had an average of about"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "950 cc's, which is equivalent to a"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "modern human woman."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Uh so, we know that women are every bit"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "as smart as men, even though they have"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "smaller brains because they also have"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "smaller bodies."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "erectus was, no doubt, less intelligent"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "than us, but they had enough of a brain"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "to support uh language. Um even if it"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "were"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "you know, they wouldn't have talked"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "about the things we talked about. and"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "who knows how extensive their"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "conversations were but with the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "accomplishments they have in the"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "archeology archaeological records that"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "we have we know that they could talk. I"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "mean I know they could talk. It's still"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "a case to present to others but this is"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "the problem of the past. People come up"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "with different explanations for these"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "things although I don't find them at all"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "convincing and when it comes to Homo"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Erectus but"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "um these are exciting things but you"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "can't you can't prove it right? You you"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "can't words don't leave fossils. Uh if"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "they're if it's not a written language"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "so there's no record of the actual words"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "that would have been used. There is um"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "no way to interview a Homo Erectus. They"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "died out about um"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "They lived from 200 2 million years ago"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "to about 140,000"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "years ago. So no other species of humans"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "not Neanderthals and so far not even us"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "have lived as long as Homo Erectus"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "lived."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": ">> And that's one of the other mysteries is"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "how did we get from them to us? You know"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "it seems like such a big leap with the"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "human brain"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "obviously the human brain size didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "double it was very similar but that's"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "like one of the tropes that you really"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "hear like the the the doubling of the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "brain size."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> Well it doubled from chimpanzees you"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> right right right but like if Homo"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "Erectus was that long ago and that close"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "to us like"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "there must be a long [ __ ] lineage"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "somewhere right? There there's a huge"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "gap."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Well this is this is a mystery so so"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "people who study um the DNA"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "[clears throat] of ancient species"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "um such as Svante Pääbo at the Max"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "Planck Institute in Leipzig who won the"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "Nobel Prize last year for his discovery"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "of the genome his pioneering methods to"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "get the genome of Neanderthals"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "but as they say they're they're distinct"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "uh genetically but uh my view of Homo"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "Erectus is that that's who we are."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "And we came out of Homo erectus. I mean"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "that is not to say I mean there was a"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "time"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "um most likely when Homo erectus,"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "Neanderthal, and Homo sapiens were all"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "on the planet at the same time. And we"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "would have seen each other almost"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "certainly."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "but Homo erectus was the original"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "species of humans coming out of Africa."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "And that's also where Homo sapiens came"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "from."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "Uh Neanderthal is the only species of"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "humans well, that used to be the case."}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "It's not now, but Neanderthal is of the"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "big three species it's the one that"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "didn't originate in Africa. But it came"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "out of Homo erectus in Europe."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Can you find a drawing of a picture like"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "a render rendition of a Homo erectus?"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "I'm just curious. I want to see exactly"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "what that looks like. And so the idea is"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "that Homo erectus mated with the Homo"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "sapiens?"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> Well, no. The idea is that Homo erectus"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "gradually evolved into Homo sapiens."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> That we be they became us. Yeah, so"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "um I like that picture on the far left"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "of the guy with the long hair."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> Um I often use that picture and tell"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "people, you know, you can do 23andMe and"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "all the DNA tests you want, but that's"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "who we go back to."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> This is the ancestor of all of us. But"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "um also I make the point that if if you"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "shave this guy and clean him up and put"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "a suit on him and send him to college"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "not too many people would notice, you"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> Right. Right. Right. Yeah, I got some"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "friends who look like that."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": ">> So so especially you know, you you see"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "with the short hair."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:24", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:24", "text": ">> I think he looks quite cool actually,"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "you know."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> look pretty cool."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to me these are the"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "inventors of language and I mean"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "invention because I don't think language"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "was just the product of some biological"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "uh mutation. I think that as our brains"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "got longer larger"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "we did what all species who are living"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "do. We communicated."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> And all species communicate with um"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "the same tools like um"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "indexes. Like if a dog is sniffing some"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "other animal, that smell is an index of"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "what of the animal that left it. Um if"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "uh a dog sees an image of an animal,"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "that's an called an icon. Icons are"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "images. Indexes are physically"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "connected."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "And a few animals in- invent symbols,"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "but not many and they're not usually"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "productive. What makes humans different"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "from all other creatures is that we can"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "create symbols which are these things"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "are created"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "conventionally. They're sort of"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "arbitrary. You know, we just decide that"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "um we're going to call"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "what we're walking on ground and we all"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "agree to that and we call it ground. And"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "that's the typical hallmark of a symbol."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "It's that it's a conventional creation."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "And other creatures have them."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "Dogs can recognize up to a thousand uh"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "if they're trained properly, but they"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "don't in-"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "they don't tend to invent many on their"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "own. But humans can invent them at will."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "We can just create as many symbols as we"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "want. And I believe that once we got to"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "that stage, that's where language came"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "from."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "Do you think it's possible there was uh"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "you know, there's these other theories"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "out there of how"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "uh human beings evolved"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "to where we are today to have, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "the capacity of language and you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "the capacity of everything that we have"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "today. Um is they they some people posit"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "that uh either psychedelics could be"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "responsible for that's the stoned ape"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "theory."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": ">> And then there's also um"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "I think it's called catching fire or"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "that like cooking meat or something had"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "to do with it."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Those those are all they It's possible"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "that all of those things contributed to"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "language. Uh to me, the greatest"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "contributor was when our our brains"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "reached a certain size and we were able"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "to invent symbols."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> That seems to me to have been the"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "greatest breakthrough."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> evidence suggests that that happened"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "perhaps as long ago as 2 million years"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "ago. Whereas many people who believe in"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "language and focus on Homo sapiens think"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "that it is in the last 100,000 to"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "200,000 years."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "But I think when the first Homo sapiens"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "stood up"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "um they were born into a"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "language-speaking world. I think that"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Homo erectus groups already had language"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "and the first Homo sapiens"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "would have been born into a linguistic"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": ">> If you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "Spotify or YouTube and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "also doing Patreon-exclusive episodes as"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "well as live Q&As, and you can get your"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "personal questions answered by our"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "guests every single week. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "When you were starting to question your"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "own faith, like how how long did that"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "take?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Like how much time did you have to spend"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "down there with living with those people"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "before you started to question that? And"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "then also something we didn't mention,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "at one point you actually brought your"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "your entire family including your small"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "children down there to live."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "Um so I first went to them in 1977"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "and then in 1979 and from that point"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "onward whenever I went my whole family"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "went. So my kids were pretty much raised"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "there and they still today speak Pirahã."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "My middle daughter sometimes sends me"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "texts in Pirahã which is really cool. Um"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "and if I start speaking Pirahã my kids"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "understand it just fine."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "so um they grew up there."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "but um"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "I forget the other question that you"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "asked me."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> to yeah the the first part of it was um"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "like what was that process like"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "of you starting to like question your"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "own faith and you know, you're down"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "there with your entire family who"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "obviously they're also Christians,"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> Yes, oh very strong Christians. So I"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "would read the Bible by kerosene lamp"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "every night to my kids and my family. We"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "would always pray together."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "Um I also read other books like To Kill"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "a Mockingbird and The Chronicles of"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "Narnia and stuff. We no TV, no no radio."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "You just had your family out there in"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "the middle of the jungle so by the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "kerosene lamp they would we would sit"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "around in a circle and it was the one"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "part of the house where I asked the"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Pirahã not to come to cuz it was where"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "the kids slept and I wanted to read to"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "them before they went to bed. So we had"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "this one private time as a family."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "In the meantime I'm going back and forth"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "between graduate school and the tribe."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "I'm spending about 6 months in each"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "place and I was getting"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "challenges to my faith from science down"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "in graduate school and I was getting"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "challenges to my faith and I prayed"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "about it because"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "the Apostle Thomas said that he was"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "struggling with his faith and he so he"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "told Jesus, \"Lord, I believe help my"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "unbelief. Um and so I prayed like that."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "I said, \"I'm I'm struggling believing"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "God. Help me with my belief.\" So, after"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "about um"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "probably after about 8 years,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "I was starting to lose the battle of"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "keeping my faith."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "and um"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "there was a time so I became a Christian"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "in 1968"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "and by about 19"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "88, I realized that I didn't believe"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "anymore. This process took several"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "years. Um so from about 1982 to 1988, I"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "was struggling with faith. 1988, I went"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "over to the dark side of science and"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "realized that there's no scientific"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "support for this stuff that was so"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "important to me."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> But I didn't tell anybody."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "Uh my wife sort of knew. I never told"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "her exactly."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "But she sort of knew."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Um and I stopped leading a prayers a lot"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "and stuff cuz I felt hypocritical,"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> you know, praying with my children when"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "I didn't actually"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> But you didn't have a conversation with"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "them about this?"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> Eventually. But it was it was not until"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "2000"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "and two."}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:10", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> Uh so,"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "the Iraq war started and I started"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "getting"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "emails from Christians"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "telling [snorts] me that the soldiers"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "are the angels of peace of God."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Jeez."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> And I thought, \"That's like the dumbest"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "thing I ever heard in my life.\" And they"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "and they were talking about God's work"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "in Iraq through the American soldiers"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "and I'm thinking, \"Yeah, we're wiping"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "out people and burning them with napalm"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "and I I don't want to be associated with"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "this.\" So, I didn't I decided because"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "when you're a missionary and a pastor"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "and you say I don't believe,"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "you lose your job."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> But by this time I had a safe a stable"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "job in academics. I was teaching at the"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "University of Manchester in England and"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "my children were grown and gone"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "and I told my wife after I got that"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "email, I read it to her and I said,"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "\"Look, I'm not going to pretend to"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "believe anymore. I do not believe this"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "stuff.\""}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "So, she walked over to the phone and"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "made a long distance call from England"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "to the US and told my kids that your"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "father says he doesn't believe anymore."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "And this led to lots of turmoil and she"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "it led to divorce and"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> Oh, no. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> uh stuff like this and she still lives"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "down in Brazil near the Pirahãs. They"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "come out and visit her."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Oh, she does?"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Yeah, and so, you know, she's so"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "you know, this"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> She still trying to convert them?"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah, she still is. It's not"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "it's you're not going to convert them."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "I've told her this and it just upsets"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "her, but um so, she's made no no"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "progress, but she believes it and she's"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "really faithful to it and she also"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "believes in living in poverty and she"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "lives in incredibly humble circumstances"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "there in the middle of nowhere and she"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "barely has enough money to feed herself,"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "but she's always taking in money"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "always taking in food to share with the"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "Pirahã as much as she can and she always"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "has coffee for them when they come or"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "she'll make Kool-Aid or something like"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "that. So, they all love her to pieces"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:55", "text": ">> because she's a sweet person. They can"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "go and if they want to sleep in her"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "house, they can. She doesn't mind. Um"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "and you know, so it's a dangerous"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "existence for an elderly woman to be"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "living there all by herself in the"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "middle of nowhere."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> Right. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> But that's what she does. So, she's"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "consistent. Uh she's never wavered in"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "her faith and I have and I abandoned it"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "and that led to the breakup of our"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "relationship, but she still"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "she has uh Starlink"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "and uh she still sends me videos of the"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "Pirahã on WhatsApp and we talk about how"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "they're doing and stuff."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": ">> She's you know, she'll say things, \"I"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "don't I don't want to be married again,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "but you were so good down here and I"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "really do miss having somebody else to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "talk to who knows this stuff as well as"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "I do.\""}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Oh, man."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> You know, but uh"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "So, it took me took me a long time and"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "uh and but now it's been 20 25 years"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "since I've been out and open. It was"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "some some"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "something like I guess coming out as gay"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "to your family would be like. You know,"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "it's just this confession that"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "all this stuff you thought about me and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "who you thought I was was not entirely"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "correct."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": ">> Uh I have this thing that makes me very"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "very different than you thought I was."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "And it took my kids quite a while to get"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "used to it. They are now."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "Uh my"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> kids still religious?"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> My two daughters are. My son is not. Um"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "but my two daughters are very strong in"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "their faith and they say, \"You know, I"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "don't care what you believe, Dad. You"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "know, it's up to you. I love you. You're"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "my dad, but it doesn't affect my"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "belief.\""}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> um I think is very healthy. They're very"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "smart. I think my kids are all smart."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "They've just reached different"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "conclusions than I have. Um radically"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "different conclusions than I have. But"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "but you know, we we talk all the time"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "and I know that a couple of my grandkids"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "like the fact that I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "not a believer."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "I I don't know if they're believers or"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "not. I never asked them. You know, and I"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "don't [clears throat] I don't really"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "care one way or the other. Um"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "and I've had, you know, my one"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "grandchild that I'm I'm I'm close to all"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "my grandchildren. One of them called me"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "and he said, \"I'm really worried about"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "you, Grandpa.\" I said, \"Why are you"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "worried about me?\" He said,"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "\"Because if you don't believe in Jesus,"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "then my belief tells me you're going to"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "go to hell after you die.\" I said,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "\"Yes, I understand that. I know your"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "belief. Don't forget that I have an"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "undergraduate degree in Bible and"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "theology. And I have no excuse. You"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "know, you don't have to worry about me."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "Every My decision is my responsibility."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "And if there is a hell, whoops, I made a"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "mistake. You know, but that's up to me."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "And you don't have to worry about it."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Don't have any fear for me. I'm quite"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "happy. I'm pretty confident there is"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "none."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> You're confident there is one."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "And I think no neither one of us is"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "going to find out who was right because"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "we're both going to be unconscious for"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "eternity. Uh"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "don't worry about me. I I"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "have made"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "myself who I am and I'll have to live"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "with the consequences or not."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "If you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Spotify or YouTube and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "well as live Q&A's, and you can get your"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "personal questions answered by our"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "guests every single week. 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Every any pita you stop from"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "about 10 years of age and older knows"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "the name of every plant, animal, fish, I"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "mean everything. They know the name of"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "everything in their universe. They know"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "the names of many stars. They um they"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "observe a lot and they don't write it"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "down. They just all know it."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Wow. Uh so this you know oral tradition"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "u that has been the hallmark of human"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "humans since we got language is not dead"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "and it still works. And so you know I"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "was walking with the pita in the jungle"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "one time and normally I would carry this"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "before iPhones and before electronic"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "stuff that was portable and so I would"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "carry a pen and uh waterproof ink and"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "and a plastic covered notebook. And when"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "I ask them questions, I would pull out"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "my notebook and write it down. But this"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "time, we were out there. I was with a"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "few guys hunting and I said, 'Oh, what's"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "the name of this tree? And they told me."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "And I said, 'Well, what's the name of"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "that tree over there? And they told me"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "and they said, \"You don't have your"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "paper and pen, you're not going to"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "remember this.\" And so they they stopped"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "telling me because they knew that"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "without my paper and pen, I would forget"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> That you can't remember anything."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> And because that's the way my brain has"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "become dependent on writing things down,"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "and theirs aren't. They just remember"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": ">> Wow. And so if you tell a peta"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "um a word in English,"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "they're not going to forget it. They're"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "going to remember it. Um"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> and do you think"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "they they are"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "that group of people has evolved in"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "their own way to have a better memory or"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "do you just think the way they're"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "they're brought up in that culture to"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "not have any writing and just to"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "remember stuff?"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> I I believe it's cultural."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Right. So, so if so, hypothetically, if"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "one of the peda was born in New York"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "City with an iPhone and books and all"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "that stuff, they would not have"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "anywhere. They would have the same"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "memory as us,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> right? That's that's what I believe. I"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "mean, there are a number of traits that"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "the pahas have and don't have that uh"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "are unusual for some of us from"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "different cultures. But I have met paha"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "who were kidnapped from the village as"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "children and raised as Brazilians in"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "nearby towns."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> And they speak perfect Portuguese. They"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "they run a store and do all the"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "arithmetic that's needed for running the"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "store and they just don't act like"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "pahas. act like uh Brazilian. So, so"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "that's the sort of uh"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> uh real test for me. If if I found a"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "pita that had been raised in a Brazilian"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "town and still couldn't do numbers and"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "uh and had no words for color and and"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "shared all these cultural"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "characteristics, then I would think"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "there was something maybe biologically"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "different, but I don't see any evidence"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "for biological differences, just"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "profound cultural differences. [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> This is why, you know, society is so"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "important to us. Science is a social"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "enterprise. Everything we do is"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "dependent on society. There's no"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "creature on earth that is more dependent"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "on society than humans. Chimps, there"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "are a lot of social creatures. Chimps"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "are, baboons are, the primates. All of"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "the primates, well, not all, but most of"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "the primates tend to be very social."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "There's if you take a paha who grew up"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "in the jungle and you move them 20 miles"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "into that same jungle by themselves,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "they're not going to survive for a long"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "time because they depend on each other"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "to help them with the tasks that they"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "have. We we evolve to uh live as members"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "of society."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> You mentioned a little bit earlier"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "something about the dark matter of the"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "mind. this being like the the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "unconscious mind that we're not really"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "aware of and that we don't actively"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "think about,"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> What got you thinking about that?"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Well, what got me thinking about it is"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "um when I wrote my my first books and"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "articles about um culture being such an"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "influence on language. Um many skeptics"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "said, \"Yeah, but what do you mean by"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "culture? Culture is this term that"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "everybody uses.\" So I wrote a book"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "called Dark Matter of the Mind"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> in which I tried to develop my own"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "theory of culture"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> which is as as we um go through the"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "world whether it's stubbing our toe or"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "seeing someone we find attractive or"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "reading a book that really moves us. Our"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "brain stores all of that and not all of"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "it is stored in our consciousness. and"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "that you know for example why do certain"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "foods taste better than others."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:57", "text": ">> We don't know why but the reason is"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "because we have stored this knowledge"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "and our preferences below the conscious"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "level based on our culture. So that um"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "you know when I when I stand in a normal"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "standing position when nobody's around"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "and I'm not conscious of it"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": ">> I'll have my two feet parallel and my"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "arms hanging at my side. And I think"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "most people stand like that. But if"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "you're a peta and you're standing and"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "you're nonchalant and nobody's around,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "you're going to have both arms crossed"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "like this and both legs crossed while"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "you stand. Um, and if I sit, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "to sit cross-legged on the ground."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "Whereas, if I'm a peta, I'm going to sit"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "with my legs straight out in front of"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "me. Um, why do they sit like that? We"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "have the same human body, you know. But,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "um, when I told my wife this, she she's"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "a a scuba diver. Uh, and she said,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "\"Well, that's how you dive. You have"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "your hands like this so that they take"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "they have less resistance in the water"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "and you can dive faster.\" Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> And so I thought about that and I"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "thought, \"Oh, when they're walking"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "through the jungle paths, having your"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "hands like this, I walk swinging my arms"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "and I'm always hitting thorns.\" And"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> they walk through the jungle like this."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Yeah. They walk through the jungle like"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "this most of the time. They hold their"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "bows and arrows, but they also very"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "often if especially if they're not if"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "they have a bag um a basket with a tump"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "line over their head, they will have"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "their arms in front of them like this"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "because their paths are very narrow. And"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "if you walk like most Americans walk and"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "they also walk single file all the time."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "They don't walk side by side. Um I was"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "with a Peter high in the city and I was"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "trying to talk to him but he he stayed"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "right behind me."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": ">> And I said walk by me and he never did."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "That's just not the way they walk. They"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "would never walk by somebody. They side"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "by side. They walk single file. Um and"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "in the jungle that's very adaptive. That"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "works really well. And there are so many"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "thorns and snakes and things that hang"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "out on the trees by the path that when"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "you walk like this, that's much safer"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "way to walk. So then they've"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "internalized that. They don't even know"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "they're standing that way. Just like"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "most of us don't know how we're"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "standing. When I see two Americans or"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "three or four walking down a narrow"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "sidewalk, taking the whole space when"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "and people have to step out in the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "street and go around them. I think it's"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "too bad they're not pa because we could"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "all use the same sidewalk. We wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "have to step off the sidewalk. Although"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "it's harder to converse when somebody's"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "behind you than when they're at the"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "site. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> they probably have way better hearing."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:26", "text": ">> Well, they do. They can hear things far"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "away that we can't hear. I mean, at"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "night, um, they will tell me that, um, I"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "I can almost do this now after living"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "with them for a long time. But at night,"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "they will say, \"Oh, a boat's coming.\""}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "And I listen and I can't hear anything."}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "And then maybe 10, 15 minutes later,"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "I'll start to hear the slightest butt of"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "these little diesel engines that"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> travel the Amazon and they hear it like"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "that. It's like"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": ">> um sometimes reminds me of Darth Vader"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "because you know he the force is really"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "strong in this one. They can sort of"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "detect and that's the way I've described"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "it sometimes any alteration in the force"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "or in the universe in the environment"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "that they're in. And they actually their"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "language doesn't have a separate word"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "for jungle and a separate word for"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "cleared space or anything like that. Our"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "whole living environment uh is the same"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "word. Uh so it it is usually associated"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "with jungle. But um if I want to tell"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "you don't move and you're sitting in a"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "canoe, I will say don't disturb the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "jungle. Uh which means stay still. Don't"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "in don't move into the environment in"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "any way. Um so [clears throat] their"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "whole conception of the way the world is"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "is is different. You know we we make all"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "these boundaries and things they don't"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "you know they don't have a word for"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "mother and they don't have a word for"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "father. They have a word for parent. So"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "they don't make any distinction based on"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> on sex on sex gender"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": ">> and and they don't have brother and"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "sister. They have sibling and they don't"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "have grandfather and grandmother. They"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "have uh big parent. Uh, and the only"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "only sex distinction they make is for"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "your son and daughter. Then they have a"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "word for daughter and a word for son,"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "but after that there's no gender"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "distinctions."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> Oh, wow. That's so"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> And so they don't perceive these things,"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "right? And they're all siblings."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "Everybody in the tribe is a sibling."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": ">> So they all see themselves as one big"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "family. And that affects the way we"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "don't see ourselves as one big family. I"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "mean, we know that we're all Americans,"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "but you see, first your first culture"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "that you you encounter is your family."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> The second culture is maybe your school"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "and then it starts going outwards like"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "in concentric circles. But uh it's that"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "cultural experience, that society that"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "we were raised in that shapes, uh our"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "unconscious as well as our conscience."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "So um you know, we we always we cut"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "something with a knife and fork and we"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "put the knife down and then put the fork"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "in our right hand. But if you're in"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "England, you see them or France, you see"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "them cut it with the forks in their left"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "hand and they put it in their"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> uh mouth with and that has there are"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "historical explanations for that when"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "the spoon and the fork first arrived in"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "the different societies."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> Um we use the spoon longer than they did"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "and so it's harder to use a spoon with"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "your left hand. So but um we nobody"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "knows these things unless you study"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "them. This is just part of the"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "unconscious that we're all born with."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "You know, why do you do this? And um"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> um why do we smile the way we smile? Why"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "do we laugh out loud versus not you know"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Peter Ha laughing really loudly is"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "something they do a lot of but they know"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "they use different contexts than than"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "than we use. Um"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> so these are all things that we do every"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "day that we don't know that we do and I"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "believe this is all stored in each"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "individual based on their experience."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "But when we get a people together that"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "have had a lot of same experiences,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "that's what that's where culture comes"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "from."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> So I don't think you can point to"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "something and say that's culture."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "Culture is stored in the minds of the"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "individuals, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> And it emerges sometimes in artifacts"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "like uh microphones come out of our"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "culture that would not come out of pita"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "culture. In fact, Pet told me when I"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "started taking microphones in to record"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "them, they said,"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": ">> \"Yeah, we could have had that stuff, but"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "we never needed it.\" M."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": ">> So without knowing what it takes to"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "build a microphone, they're just not"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "that impressed because they don't use"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "this stuff. So what's the value of it?"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. It almost seems like to me"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "that the more conveniences a culture"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "has, the more technology a culture has,"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "the less happy they are."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "this is uh there you know I haven't"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "studied that but I do know that when we"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "start to accumulate things"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "that becomes a sign of success in a way"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "that when you have fewer things um you"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "feel less happy. uh some studies have"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "shown that happiness of a society goes"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "down when the television is introduced"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "especially in third world countries"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "because they see things especially if"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "you're watching like an American movie"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "you see these fancy cars and you see all"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "these electronic devices things of"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "technology that they don't have and"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "suddenly they wanted they were fine"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "before they never wanted those things"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "but now that they have seen them they"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "want them and u I've had I've had"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "indigenous peoples of Brazil that have a"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "lot of contact with Brazil un with"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "Brazilians unlike the paha"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> you know one guy was with me in a store"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "and said buy me this and buy me that and"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "I said"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> I can't buy you all this stuff uh he"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "said well we never wanted these things"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "it was you people who made us want them"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "you know so uh uh that's so the pita"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "don't that's one reason they're so happy"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "I think is because"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> there's nothing we have that they really"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "want"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": ">> um you know they're they're"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "self-sufficient"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "um when they're left alone. Um and you"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "know, so so their attitude and talking"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "to them about Jesus, it was like"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "talking to them about something that"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "could not have possibly been less"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "relevant."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Walk me through that. I'm very"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "very interested in um that whole process"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "of how that worked. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "It's It's not that pleasant to become a"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "field worker. So, uh,"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> no wonder Chsky didn't want to do that."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Yeah. Actually, he was when he and I"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "were on speaking terms, he was coming to"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "I was trying to get him to come to"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "Brazil. And he was willing to come and"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "speak at universities. I said, \"And I"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "would love it if you could visit me with"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "the paha, come and spend a few days with"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "I said, \"It doesn't have to be long. We"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "can arrange to fly you in and fly you"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "out.\" He says, \"Yeah, I don't do that.\""}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "Uh, so that was his answer to that. It's"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "ironic that it's that very language that"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "he was invited to visit that has caused"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "him so many issues over the years and"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> and and he said I was making stuff up."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> He'd rather go on an airplane to uh"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "Little St. James."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] But if if he"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "would have come in with me, I think it"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "would have given him a very different"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "perspective on things."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Right. I'm sure."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> I just think that u"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> And you were you worked right across the"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "the hall from him at one point, right?"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Yeah. 198485"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "I received funding from the National"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Science Foundation and the American"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Council of Learned Societies to spend"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the year as a visitor. I had just"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "finished my PhD on the Pita language and"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "I spent the year as a visitor at MIT"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "because I was doing all I was"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "interpreting everything through a Chsky"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "lens and my office was right across the"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "hall from Gnomes. In fact, I made a trip"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "to Brazil and when I got back, um, he"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "walked into my office to talk to me"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "about it and I spoke to him many times"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "during the year and told him about"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "really unusual things about Pinaha and"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "he was fascinated. But then when I said"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "this language shows that you're wrong"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "about this particular claim, then I was"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "I became uh persona non grata and I was"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "a liar and a charlatan."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> That's so that's such a shame, man."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> that's so unfortunate that people of his"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "stature are actually like that. But it"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "seems to be more prevalent, you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "more prevalent than people are aware of."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "You know, a lot of people, no matter no"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "matter what it is that you're into,"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "right? Whether it be like alternative"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "history or, you know, studying space"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "aliens or like,"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> you know, one of these high priests of"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "academia like Nam Chosky whose, you"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "know, reputation is far above like as"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "far as academics go, he's in in his own"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "orbit. Right."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Right. and still he is deluded by these"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "basic human things like ego and you know"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "stuff like that."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> I mean that's right. He I'm sure that a"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "supporter of his might say look he's"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "been at this long enough and he's enough"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "of a genius to know what the"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "possibilities of human language are and"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "this doesn't fit therefore you're wrong."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Um but uh I don't have that opinion. And"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "I I one time I thought about him that"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "way, but I've caught him in, you know,"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "so many errors and different things. And"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "that just means he's human, right? It"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "doesn't mean that he's different from"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "anybody else."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> But one of the things I learned during"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "the period of time that I was so"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "religious is that"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> there's a certain amount of religious"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "fervor that carries over into science."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> science is a social enterprise and we"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "like to have heroes. We like to have"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "saviors. uh and and this human"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "characteristic contaminates"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "uh inquiry at times and um"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> and this is just philosophy of science."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "You know, you find people who don't like"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "to be corrected. I mean, who likes to be"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "corrected?"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": ">> But if you're a real scientist, you're"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "looking to have your ideas shown to be"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "wrong so you can improve them,"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Um you have to defend them because if"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "they're trivially wrong, then you're not"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "a serious thinker. But you know, I've"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "somebody asked me once, do you think you"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "could be wrong about Paha? And this was"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "a big public meeting I was speaking at"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "of all linguists, 500 linguists. I said,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "\"Well, that's a silly question. Of"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "course, I could be wrong. Anybody can be"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "wrong.\" But I said, \"I've thought about"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "this enough so that I can say it's not"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "going to be easy to show that I'm wrong,"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> but you could show that I'm wrong in"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "principle.\""}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. That's one of the that's"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "one of the things is that you know even"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "in science at the highest levels of"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "science it's tribalism is prevalent and"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> you know people want to be a part of the"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "right team or they want to be on the"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "right side of history or or whatever it"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> and when you look at innovators people"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "who are really creating new ideas that"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "are important"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> there's a very fine line between the"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "genius and the crackpot [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> and the genius is a successful crackpot"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "and the crackpot is an unsuccessful"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "crackpot. Um, so if if you get enough"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "people to buy your idea,"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> then you're a genius."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> And if nobody buys your idea, you're a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "crackpot. Now, that's a simplification."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "And to some degree, if the majority of"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "scientists think you're a crackpot, you"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "might be actually"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "a lot a lot of the most, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "famous scientists of our past are, you"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "know, from on face value. A lot of"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "people tell stories about how crazy they"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "were in real life. You know, like John"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "Lily is a great example of that. You"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "know, he was he was studying I think he"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "was trying to study dolphin language,"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:56", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> And you know, he was also getting"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "blasted on ketamine all the time."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Right. Well, you know, a lot of"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "people uh uh do that kind of thing. I um"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "you know I know I I was I I shouldn't"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "mention the institution but I was I was"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "I used to when I lived in Germany uh for"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "a year um I used to play at a local bar"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "because I I like to play the guitar and"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "sing and so I would play at this bar and"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "and you know I was in my I was in my"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "late 40s or maybe even early 50s and all"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "these young beautiful smart people were"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "sitting in the bar and uh some guy comes"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "up to me says Hey, you want to come?"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "We're going to have an orgy."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Interesting. Um, but I was married. I"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "didn't go. But these are really smart,"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "serious people who were doing science,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "serious science. And they were not"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "always uh behaving according to the"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "average picture of what a science how a"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "scientist spends their time."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> And they were all drunk when they told"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "me that too. So I was playing the guitar"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "and they were drinking and I was"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "drinking."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "Um uh"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:03", "text": ">> I think something also happens to to"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "people when they become like very"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "recognized globally for some achievement"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "right like when you see receive so many"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "accolades um for whatever it is if it's"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "a scientific discovery or you win a"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "Nobel prize for something or even if"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "you're like some"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> you know globally recognized rock star"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "you know um"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "you know some of those people are"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "some of the most can can be a lot of"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "times some of the most like"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "self-absorbed"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "egoomaniacs who are also thin sk thin"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "super thin skinned"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> and um you hear stories of people get"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "close to them they're like I can't be"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "around this guy he's just unbearable but"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "all at the same time they are genius in"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "one aspect of life of what they do and"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "what they study"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> yeah I mean I don't think that's that"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "uncommon I think that very high uh"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "highly successful people uh still in"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "that area. They know they're good and"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "they want to be told that they're good"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "on a regular basis because that's how"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "they reaffirm that they're good."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> But they're not that great at a lot of"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "other things and so they get insecure,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": ">> And they don't want people to get to"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "know them that well because they don't"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "want them to see all the things in which"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "they're just another human."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> Um but the other thing, you know, when"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "I've I've"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> Jerry Lee Lewis is a great example of"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "that. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's great. I have a"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "friend who's a well-known linguist who"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "um was also a rock star back in the 50s."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "He had a top 40 hit. I mean, wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "big star. He was but with a very"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "well-known band. And he wrote Jerry Lee"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "Lewis had this um had a movie. He was a"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "star in this musical movie in in the 50s"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "called Be My Guest."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> And this friend of mine wrote the music"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "for that movie. And he um Anyone But Me"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "or No one Else But Me. That was the song"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "he wrote for Jerry Lee Lewis. and he"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "talked to me about teaching it to Jerry"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "Lee Lewis at the piano and and playing"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "it with Jerry Lee Lewis and everything"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "and and my friend said, \"I decided I"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "wanted to leave rock and roll.\""}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "Everybody was just crazy and so ego and"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "I wanted to go into science. So, he"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "taught himself a lot of stuff and he"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "went into science, but he didn't escape"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "the ego. Uh, you know, I mean, he"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "doesn't struggle too much. Well, he"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "knows he's smart and he doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Sometimes he'll let you know that he"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "knows he's smart, but most of the time"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "he's just a really cool guy. I um I met"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "um Barry Maguire. Barry Magcguire had"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "this song in the 60s called Eve of"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Destruction, which was number one hit in"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "the United States. And he used to be"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "before that he was the lead singer for"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "this very popular group, the New Christy"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "Minstrels"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> and and he wrote songs for the Kingston"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Trio, you know, for a lot of groups back"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "in the 50s and 60s. So, he was a big"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "thing then. But he got totally addicted"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "to heroin and was having all these"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "problems. And then he became a Christian"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "and he started hanging out with the"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Christians. Some of them I had brought"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "to Christianity."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> And so he and I got to know each other a"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "little bit and we were ushers in a"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "mutual friend's wedding. And he just had"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "all these stories about people who went"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "crazy. He was"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> when he was at his height, the mamas and"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "the papas were his mamas and the papas."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> They were his warm-up group at his"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "concerts. That's how big he was. And he"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "lived with him for quite a while. He had"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "all these stories."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:16", "text": ">> Was the guy John John Phillips?"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> John Phillips."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Yeah. I heard that he made MC or he he"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "made uh he made, you know, uh people"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "like McJagger look like choir boys with"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "the amount of that he would do."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> Oh yeah. His daughter told the story"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "about waking up and having her daughter"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "was his her father was injecting heroin"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "into her, right?"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": ">> And she had been asleep. So he was a"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "crazy guy. But that's what Barry said."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "He said, \"All these people are just"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "crazy.\" So when I got to know him, he"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "was just down to earth, sweet guy who"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "just happened to have a few platinum and"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "gold albums. Um, but he was just a very"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "downto-earth guy. Really sweet guy. We"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "were ushers in a wedding."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> but he had so many stories. There's a"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "book out, I can't remember who it's by,"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "it's called 1968. And on the cover of"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "the book, there's this long blondhaired"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "guy wearing his flowery shirt laying on"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "top of a girl in a park. And that's"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "Barry. Uh he was like the epitome of the"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "60s at one time."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": ">> But um I've known so many people uh who"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "who've used drugs and"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "you know the wrong kind of drugs. My"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "rule in the 60s was I wouldn't take"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "anything that needed to be injected."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> Right. Um"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": ">> it's a good rule."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> Yeah. And but I knew a lot of people who"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "didn't have that rule."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> And you know, my sister died of AIDS uh"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "from injecting cocaine. And and her"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> our cousin, our mutual cousin"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "uh was dealing heroin and spent 20 years"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "in prison in Texas before she died. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "I had a conversation with a young woman"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "the other day um in her early 20s who"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "was telling me how when her and her"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "boyfriend recently went to their church"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "and tithed a bunch of money um the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "pastor told her and her boyfriend that"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "they were going to make more money in"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "their businesses,"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> as a response to them tithing to God,"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> which is very counterintuitive to what"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "you just said,"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> right? Um it one interesting thing about"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "Christians and since I was one I can say"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "this um is that some of the parts of the"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "Bible that don't seem to be intended to"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "um be taken literally such as the"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "creation the six day creation they take"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "very literally but some of the other"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "parts of the Bible that I think were"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "meant to be taken li literally like turn"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "the other cheek sell all your"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "possessions and give the money to the"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "poor"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> they say is not literal. So I you know I"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "was talking to a guy one time and I said"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "you know what do you do about the fact"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "that uh Jesus said to the young man who"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "wanted to follow him sell all your"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "possessions and give the money to the"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "poor. And that guy did not follow Jesus"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "because he thought to himself I got a"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "lot of stuff you know he didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "sell it all. So um and then the response"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "was well you don't have to actually do"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "that. You have to be willing to do it. I"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "said okay so you're willing to do it?"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "Yes. Well there are a lot of poor people"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "in the world. Why don't you do it then?"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "if you're willing to do it, do it."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Um and and that they don't want to take"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "literally. Um so if you see there are"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "very, you know, I I have met priests"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "living in the middle of nowhere in the"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "jungle like an Italian priest born and"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "raised say in Rome and he comes to the"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "Amazon and he's living in complete"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "poverty along with the people and he's"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "out there working with them every day"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "and he has uh um mass for them. Um, now"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "I consider that much closer to living"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "according to the morality of the gospel,"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> Than I do the the prosperity gospel,"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "which says that God actually wants us"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "rich. If there's anything the Bible"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "teaches me, uh, it's what Jesus said."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "It's easier for a camel to go through"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "the eye of a needle than for a rich man"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "to get into heaven. And then I had a"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "Christian respond with saying, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the eye of the needle was the name of a"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "specific gate in Jerusalem that was"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "narrow, but you can get through it.\" Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "I said, \"No, that's not what it meant."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "It meant an actual needle with an eye in"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "it. So, it's impossible.\""}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> That's So,"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": ">> and the reason I got into this this deep"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "conversation with this young lady the"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "the other day was I was kind of getting"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "in a back and forth. I was like I was"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "really trying to understand her thinking"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "to like she really believed that that"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "this money was going to God and was"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "going to earn them more money and that"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "this is the right thing to do. And"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "meanwhile the pastor who she gave the"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "money to drove to the church in a"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "Rolls-Royce and was wearing a gold"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "Rolex."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": ">> Yeah. This is um this is so common. If"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "that's the way God works, he's just"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "another investment, you know. He's just"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "a a sure investment. Um I I don't know"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "anybody who tithe. I most of the people"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "I know who tithe are not wealthy. I know"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "a lot of people who are wealthy who then"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "tithe, but there are a lot of poor"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "people who tithe. In fact, the"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "interesting thing is the Apostle Paul"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "when he was trying to raise money from"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "some of the wealthy churches that he was"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "going to for the poorer churches and"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "actually for churches that were having"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "emergencies that, you know, they having"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "famine or something. He went to the poor"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "people because he said their own poverty"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "makes them want to give more."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Because they know what it's like to be"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "poor. And I have often found that there"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "are very generous wealthy people. Not"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "all of them are Christians. They're just"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "generous people. And there are very"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "wealthy poor people. I mean, not wealthy"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "in in money, but wealthy in generosity"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "of the spirit that give what they have."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "If I'm traveling the Amazon in my"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "outboard motor, and I've done that over"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "a thousand miles at a time with all my"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "gas with me, usually I camp on a beach"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "somewhere by myself. But I know that if"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "I see a little shack with a family in"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "it, I can pull up there and they'll put"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "me up for the night and they'll feed me."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "And they're poor as dirt. They'd have"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "almost nothing. But what they have,"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "they're going to give to me. They're"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "going to share with me. And also be"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "because I know that's how they are. I"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "also give them a lot of canned food and"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "stuff like that to sort of repay them."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> there's nobody who's going to say, \"Get"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "out of here.\""}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> They're going to give me if they have"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "one cup, they're going to give me coffee"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "in that cup. you know, they're just"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "going to share it."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> That feeling is is"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "I it's contagious because when you have"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "that feeling of going to that family in"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "that hut and them helping you and giving"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "you coffee or whatever, it makes you"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "when you're in their situation want to"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "do the same thing for someone else cuz"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "you know how good you felt when they"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "helped you."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Exactly. So my ex-father-in-law who had"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "been a missionary in Brazil in the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Amazon for many years, he liked to pick"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "up when he was in the States, he would"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "pick up hitchhikers and he would bring"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "them home and he would feed them and"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "give them a place to stay and then he"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "might drive them a 100 miles down the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "road to to their next ride or drive them"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "to their final destination. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "that's biblical. That is literal"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "interpretation. And you know Jesus said"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "if a person asks for your uh sweater"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "give them your coat too. If they want"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "you to take go with them a mile go with"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "them two miles. Um if they ask you for"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "this give them double. Be generous."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "Generosity is is what Jesus taught. And"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> that's a rare quality. You mean it's not"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "unknown. A lot of people are generous."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "But I think my father-in-law after and"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "and it affected me too. When you"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "experience all that generosity from"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "people who really don't seem to have"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "anything to give, you need to be"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "generous. you feel a need to be generous"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "yourself."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": ">> Um, so"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "would I today if somebody poor came to"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "my house and asked to spend the night,"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "would I let him into my house to spend"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "the night? Um, I used to and I like to"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "think that I would now still, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "I remember being in the city because I"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "would spend half the year at the"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "university whether I was either studying"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "or teaching after I finished my graduate"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "work or I would be in the tribe and and"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "one time we're I'm just sitting in my"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "house having a cup of coffee with my"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "wife and three uh shvante Indians from"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "the Shingu Park of Brazil, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "with their paint and long hair and p"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "pierced ears with the guys"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> came up the house and and said in broken"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "Portuguese, \"Somebody said you work with"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Indians.\" I said, \"I do.\" They said, \"We"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "want to stay with you. We have to be"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "here for 4 days and we don't have a"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "place to stay.\" So, they came into my"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "house and they took over the house. You"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "know, I was cooking for them and doing"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "all this stuff for them and their dog"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "was pooping all over the house and they"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "had a little puppy with them."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> And uh"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> I'm thinking, yeah, this is this is what"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "it means to be a missionary. This is"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "what it means to follow Jesus is to give"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "what you have and share your last crust"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "of bread with people like that."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> And so when I see Christians doing that,"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "I can think, yeah, maybe they're morally"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "superior to what they were before. I"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "don't expect us to compare ourselves to"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "other people because we don't we never"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "walked in the same shoes. Everybody has"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "a different life story. What I want is"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "people to compare themselves with"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "themselves. What were you like before"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "you became a Christian? And what are you"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "like now that you're a Christian? Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "I was I took a lot of drugs. I I didn't"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "study. And when when I became a"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "Christian, I started getting straight"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "A's and I stopped using drugs and all of"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "that. I now explain that socially rather"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "than spiritually, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": ">> But um"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> did that make you a better person that"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "you were no longer, you know, slinging"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "acid in front of a what was it? A Jimmyi"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "Hendricks concert?"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Yeah. In front of a [laughter] Jimmyi"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "Hendricks concert. Yeah. But I which I"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "don't actually consider immoral, but"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "that's a different matter. Uh, but um I"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "hope that it made me more moral. I think"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "I struggle with some of the same things"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "I've always struggled with. You know, I"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "worry too much about certain things. I"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "I've always had a a bad temper that I"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "try to keep under control. Um and so I"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "used to when I was successful, I would"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "say that's the Holy Spirit, you know."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Um, as I used to tell people when I"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "spoke, you know, I I say, \"If you see"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "something about me that's irritable,"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that you don't like, that's flawed,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "well, that's just me. That's who I am."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "If you see something about me that's"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "really generous and sweet and good,"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "that's the Holy Spirit. That's what"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "happened after I converted because"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "that's not how I ever was.\""}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> And and that's what I preach. That's the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "message I used to preach a lot. That if"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "God has really changed you, what has he"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "changed you into? And how does that"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "stack up to people who don't know God?"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "What is the evidence in your life that"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "Jesus is really the savior as opposed to"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "somebody else? Everybody wants to be"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "rich. So if you think the reason to give"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "money to God is to get a lot of money"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "back, you're no different than anybody"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "else out in the world. That hasn't made"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "you stand out for Jesus. There's one"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "thing you can say about Jesus as all all"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "of we know about him is he wasn't rich."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": ">> And he wasn't interested in being rich."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "and he was interested and when he saw"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "people trying to make money in the"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "temple, you know, he chased them out."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "People have a hard time understanding"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "that violence, but he was against"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "wealth. He was against um uh especially"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "using the church to get wealthy. Uh so,"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "right, that that view just contradicts"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "everything I believe about the Bible."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Yeah, there's a great Thomas Payne book"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "about the age of called the age of"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "reason. I familiar with it. It's really"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "interesting. you know, how he talks"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "about like the lineage from or the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "bastard the bastardization of"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "Christianity from Jesus Christ, you"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "know, when all everything was written"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "until now. How you have like the church"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "fathers who rely to make money off"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "preaching this gospel and like how like"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "over time that gets more corrupt,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": ">> right? You know,"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> so there are some denominations today in"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "which the pastor is always a lay pastor,"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "which means he has a regular job like"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "everybody else,"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> but he's considered to be a good teacher"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "of the Bible. And so on Sundays, in"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "addition to everything else he does, he"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "does this and he accepts no salary. He"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "accepts no house. I think that's a lot"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "closer aligned to the New Testament. the"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "the New Testament does say that a worker"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "is worthy of his pay. Uh so some pastors"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "say they can take pay. [snorts] I asked"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "u an African-American pastor in Chicago"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "once when I was out there at Moody"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "studying. I said, \"You drive a Cadillac"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "and nobody else in your church drives"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "and many of them don't have cars.\" And"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "he said, \"Well, this is a fact that many"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "white people don't understand about the"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "black church.\" He said, \"We're all poor,"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "and when we have a church, we can make"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "one person look really good, and we want"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "it to be the pastor because he"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "represents us. So, they're they're"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "paying for this stuff from me because I"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "am their representative, and they don't"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "want people to think that their"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "representative is poor.\" Um, that"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "[clears throat] might be true. I I I"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "really like this guy very much. And uh"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "so I actually think that that was an"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "accurate statement. This was 1974, so"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "who knows whether anybody believes this"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "kind of stuff anymore, but he did. And"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "um but when you see a white pastor who's"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "really wealthy and they're in a wealthy"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "congregation,"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": ">> um or especially if they're wealthy and"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "they're in a poor congregation, I find"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "this to be"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> um absolutely um"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> problematic"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> problematic with regard to the New"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Testament. Um,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> you know, there's some pastors have come"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "up with the idea that the pastor's"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "salary should be more or less the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "average salary of people in their"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "church."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> Um, because they're representing that"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "social group. Yeah, that that might be"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "okay. But I actually [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "think that the pastor's salary should be"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "he should be the one of the poorest"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "people. He should be living this example"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "of of uh"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": ">> and yeah, she the pastor needs books."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "The pastor needs a place to study. He"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "doesn't need to own those things,"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "though. Those things can be provided."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "But this is such a radical difference."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> You have to go all the way back to Jesus"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "to see somebody who lived like that."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> Unless you find one of these incredible"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "priests that I have located in different"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "parts of the jungle,"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> who were living the New Testament"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "far more faithfully than many"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "Protestants I know."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": ">> If you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "Spotify or YouTube and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "fully uncensored and adree, but we're"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "well as live Q&As's. 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[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Do they have any belief of what happens"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "when they die? Or do they just think"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "it's they're dead and gone and there's"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "nothing there?"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Yeah, right. You know, I've asked"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "somebody what happens when you die and"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "there's a dead monkey lying by the fire."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "He said, \"Well, that's what happens."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "You're just dead.\" You know."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> You're you're food."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> Yeah, that's the you know, they they"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "bury people, you know, um they just dig"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "a hole in the ground and put somebody"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "in. It's not systematic. It's not like"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "they always bury everybody the same way."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "They bury them usually with the things"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "they own and they usually bury them"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "sitting sitting um in a narrow hole"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "because that takes less work than"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "digging a"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "hole for them to lie down in. And then"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "they put some sticks over their head and"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "some banana leaves and then they pack it"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "full of dirt. Um and they like to build"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "the graves by the riverbank, which is"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "going to cave in in a few years because"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "of the erosion. And so"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "the the graves don't last very long."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "They're washed into the river after the"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "person is totally decomposed."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> And so they miss people. I have somebody"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "come in from the field one time, a guy,"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "a friend of ours had just died that year"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "and his name was Issabe and he came in"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "and he says,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "\"I almost cried today in the field cuz I"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "was thinking of Issabe. He was such a"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "good friend."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "But he's dead and he's gone. It's not"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "like he lives on in the memory, but they"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "don't think he's in heaven or with God"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "or anything like that.\""}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "I've had some people say, \"So you think"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "you know, like my mother died when I was"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "11 and I and I have missed her um in"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "1962, the same day that Kennedy died in"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "1963."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "And I so I've missed my mother now for"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "64 years."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "but I don't plan to ever I don't expect"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "to ever see her again. And for some"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "people that's really hard to"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "but if I'm dead and she's dead, neither"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "one of us is going to miss the other."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "Uh you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "as Mark Twain said, I I lived for I"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "eternity was no problem for me billions"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "of years before I was born and I don't"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "think it will be for billions of years"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "after I'm gone. Uh so,"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "yeah, I just don't find I agree with the"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "Piraha that there doesn't seem to be any"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "evidence worthwhile that says we're"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "anything other than dead when we're"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "dead."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Right. Yeah, it's probably the same"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "thing It's probably the same probably"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "experience the same thing"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "um that we experienced before we were"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "born."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Right. Yeah, which is unconsciousness,"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "you know? Um"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> Man, that's a terrifying thought,"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "though. It's very uncomfortable."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Like the fear of death is like There's"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "been a lot of lots of people who have"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "theorized like the fear of death is what"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "drives our psyche, right?"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": ">> Yeah, probably that has something to do"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "with it. I don't fear death. I fear the"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "pain. I don't want to die in a flaming"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "car accident."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "I don't mind if But I don't fear death"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "itself, but um"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "you know, it's um"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "I I don't understand the fear of death,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "but it is a very big thing, and it"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "affects people psychologically. Freud"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "had a lot to say about it. Young, many"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "other pioneering psychoanalysts and"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "psychologists talk about the fear of"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "death. And I"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "The ironic thing is"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "the people I who are most preoccupied"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "with death"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "when I was a missionary, are other"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "missionaries. Right. And they're worried"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "about death, and I'm like my"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "father-in-law, he was a really cool guy,"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "brave guy, and everything, but he was"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "terrified of death. And I said,"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "\"Why are you afraid of death? Isn't that"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "the whole point of it to remove the fear"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "of death from people? You know, you're"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "going to go and have fun and be singing"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "hymns or whatever it is you're going to"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "be doing up there. Why would you fear"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "death?\" But he was terrified of death."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": ">> And these people aren't?"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> No, they're not afraid of death. They"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "don't want to die right now, but they're"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "not afraid of it. It happens to"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "everybody. They They see everybody die."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "life requires a lot of effort. If you're"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "a hunter-gatherer, you you cannot let"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "days go by mourning. You've got to get"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "right back out there and hunt till your"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "children are going to go hungry. And so,"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "they don't stop for anything. They might"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "mourn. I've seen them cry, but I've also"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "seen them bury somebody, cry, and then"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "head right out hunting because you're"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "still hungry. You still have to have"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "food, and they don't have a custom of"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "everybody bringing you casseroles after"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "the funeral."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> Right. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> What's their lifespan?"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Well, to figure out the lifespan, um you"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "have to take into account infant"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "mortality."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> And when we first got there, I would say"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "that very few children made it to 10"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "years of age."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> They died really young."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> Uh that's improved a bit because we"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "helped them, and also the Brazilian"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "government still makes trips and helps"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "them now with vaccinations and things. I"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "don't know if they're still doing it,"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "but they were. Um"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "But once you get past that critical"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "period,"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "um I know people who seem to be in their"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "70s and 80s. I had I would talk to a guy"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "back in 1978"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "who, um I showed him a picture that was"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "taken in 1917,"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "um by an explorer there, and he had was"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "surrounded by people hunting. He said,"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "\"That's me right there. I remember that"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "guy.\""}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> You know what?"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> So, he remembered this picture that's"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "taken in 1917, and this is we're talking"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "1978."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "So, 61 years later. Well, I can remember"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "things now that happened 61 years ago."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> Um so, it just meant that he was in his"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "70s."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "He was unusual, but you do see a lot of"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "people. It's also hard to estimate their"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "age if you don't know exactly when they"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "were born because"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "we get I got I was getting gray hairs"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "when I was in my late 30s and early 40s."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "They were not get They don't get gray"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "hair until they're"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "well into their 60s, and then it's not"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "much. It's just like a strand. If you"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "see somebody with all white hair that"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "you do see it, but it's uh highly"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "unusual."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "And, um"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "you were you were mentioning something"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "about how like if they do something that"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "violated that violates any of their"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "cultural"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "guidelines or like laws or they do"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "something bad, they will change their"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "whole identity to like get away separate"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "themselves from that."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Yes, they have they have"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "different names throughout their life."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "And those [clears throat] names are"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "based on"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "what they consider to be major"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "transitions. So"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> a very common name for children, little"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "children who are like 5 to 10 years of"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "age but usually around 4 5 is corn,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "chahoua. So when we first got there my"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "son who was"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "you know not even 2 years old had really"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "blonde hair and they called him corn."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "But that's a common name with them. My"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "daughters had common names for different"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "kinds of straw. But as you get older you"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "take once you get to puberty you take on"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "a different name. But if you've also had"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "some traumatic experience or some"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "wonderfully pleasurable experience"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "you change your name. And then who you"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "were before then"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "you know that that you're associated"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "with them but that's not who you are"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "today, you know. So if you did something"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "really bad under one name"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "you're not necessarily responsible that"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "for that when you change names."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "So so they go through life"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "metamorphosizing"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "sort of morally and experientially and"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "they you know we've all gone through"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "traumatic experiences. 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So he turned"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "he says"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "uh you're calling that guy that's not me"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "anymore."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "That name got old and rotten. It spoiled"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "like meat."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "Now I use this name."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "And so, um"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "you know, and we we do that to"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "a much smaller scale, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "sometimes people have names for writing."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "They have a different name for writing."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "Uh, they have nom de plume or somebody"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "writes a book. Like Stephen King has"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "written so many novels, but not all of"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "them under the name Stephen King. I"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "forget what his other name is, but he's"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "written several novels under a different"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "name. And J.K. Rowling wrote um"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "books under a different name."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "And sometimes celebrities, they take a"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "different name, you know."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "And you know, my one of my favorite"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "singers"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> Uh, yeah. Muddy Waters, he was um"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "uh, McKinley Morganfield."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> You know, which doesn't have the same"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "ring as Muddy Waters."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> but um so, Muddy Waters represents I'm a"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "blues man. I'm a blues man now. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "McKinley Morganfield. I'm Muddy Waters."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "And so so, it's not unheard of in our in"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "our culture, but for the Peter Hot's"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "universal, everybody changes names."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> Mm. Yeah, it seems like a, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "maybe it's like some sort of a a way of"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "releasing"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "trauma"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "or you know, getting away from"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "like a similar way to coping that like"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Christians will do"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "where they like confess their sins. They"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "feel like they're being released. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "this is a kind of like similar. They"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "feel like they're releasing themselves"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "or forgiving themselves"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> of all of the negative stuff they've"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "done or whatever and transforming into"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "somebody else that's not associated with"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "any of that stuff anymore."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> Right. And and the Pope usually takes a"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "different name once they're made Pope."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "You know."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Mm."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Uh, the King of England takes a"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "different name. This King didn't,"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "Charles, but often they can he can take"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "any name he wants. He wants to be known"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "as as King Leon, he can be called King"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "Leon. It just depends on the tradition,"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "the name change represents a change in"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "life. So, it's not unheard of for us,"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "it's just that not everybody does it."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "You know,"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "the Egyptians mummified"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "the people from wealthy families."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "But, the first civilization of the"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Americas, the Caral Supe civilization of"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "ancient Peru, 10,000 years ago, was"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "mummifying everybody. If If you died,"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "you were mummified. So, they had a"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "process of mummification, uh quite"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "sophisticated, you know, 10,000 years"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "ago, but it wasn't reserved for the"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "wealthy. So,"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "we do all these things as a society,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "name changes, mummification, and all of"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "this to indicate these transitions and"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "indicate our relationship with the"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "person and and that person's own"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "relationship with themselves, you know?"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "So, I I think it's uh very interesting,"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "but it is a way to"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "you know, get free of guilt in a sense."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "You know, Christians are told that once"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "they accept Christ, uh all their sins"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "are forgiven and they should not feel"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "guilty anymore. All that's been"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "forgiven, and that's a huge If you're a"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "person who's done a lot of bad things"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "and feel really guilty, that's a huge"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "attraction, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> Um and some churches you take on a new"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "name. Uh so, it's very similar to the"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "Peter Hahs, but there's no baptism and"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "there's no religion involved."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "Now, if you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "Spotify or YouTube, and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "also doing Patreon-exclusive episodes,"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "as well as live Q&As, and you can get"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "your personal questions answered by our"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "guests every single week. 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It's not needed, so it"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "uses it for other stuff."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "And that's what the plasticity of the"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "human brain is one of the most exciting"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "things about it. But in in the meantime,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "healthy normal individuals tend to"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "localize things in different parts of"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "their brain. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "there's [clears throat] a part of my"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "brain where I store my ability to tie"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "shoes or make burritos or that kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "thing. It doesn't mean that making"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "burritos is an innate capacity."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "It does mean that the cells of that part"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "of the brain are more compatible with"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "certain kinds of knowledge and tasks and"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "things. So,"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:08", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "her discoveries have been great. Then"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "there's also um another friend of mine"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "uh Eddie Chang who is a neurosurgeon at"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the University of California, San"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "Francisco who's actually had success"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "with people who've lost the power of"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "speech in hooking neurons up in their"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "brain to computers and and then with the"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "help of large language models that can"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "help predict their sentences."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "can actually"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "take their thoughts and translate them"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "into sounds over the computer so that by"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "thinking they can communicate with other"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "And so that's a combination of his"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "incredible ability as a neurosurgeon and"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "his knowledge of the neurons and the"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "structure of the"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "of language in the brain, but also large"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "language models which can help complete"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "the thoughts."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "it's it's just an astounding"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "breakthrough that for people who've lost"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "the power of speech gives tremendous"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "hope."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> Now"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "okay, so on the topic of of"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "that's so interesting that you were in"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "the MRI machine and you were speaking or"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "they were talking to you in different"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "languages. And"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> how many different languages do you"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "know?"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Well, I I would say that I speak fairly"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "fluently four: English, Portuguese, Peta"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "Han, Spanish."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Uh-huh."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> But I've been exposed to lots of"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "languages and I read about you know, 15"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "languages."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": ">> Uh so um"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "so they I told them that I could do"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "this. Probably shouldn't have told them"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "cuz then they played me samples of all"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "these different languages"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "and they did detect um they Evelina's"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "work can detect not only"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "where the language is in your brain, but"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "how well you speak it and how much of an"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "effort it is for you to learn other"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "languages."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "Um so she's identified that people who"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "speak multiple languages, polyglots,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "tend to uh expend less energy learning a"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "language than people who aren't"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "polyglots, people who have struggle with"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "language. So, it's not like you work"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "harder, it just comes easier uh for some"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "reason. And uh so at the end of her"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "talk, which was a conference in my honor"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "at MIT,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "she argued that the data suggests that"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "not only do I speak these languages, but"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "learning languages is not such a great"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "effort."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Now, what about like learning abstract"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "concepts or new ideas or being a being"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "able to understand some new abstract"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "idea that you've never been that's never"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "been positive to you before or just"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "learning in general? Like if you"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "understand multiple languages, you can"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "you can connect the dots to you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "abstract ideas and and concisely"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "attribute them to specific words across"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "multiple language. Does that"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "have any like overall effect on your"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "intellect?"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": ">> It's it's a very That's a very good"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "question. Um,"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "you know, abstract learning, learning"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "physics for example or learning"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "mathematics um uses"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "different"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "parts of the brain"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "than"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "I have developed well."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> But um"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "at the same time"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "when we do"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "learn other languages and we learn the"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "concepts that are associated with"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "different words, we expand our"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "knowledge. We expand our ability to link"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "concepts with words. And so there are"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "some studies that argue that people's"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "intelligence actually changes. We know"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "that the brain changes when you learn"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "other languages. It it causes"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "alterations in the brain. So does"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "literacy when you learn to read and"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "write. Um, so um"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "yeah, I do think it helps increase"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "intelligence. Um,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "intelligence is a weird concept to begin"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "with because if it were just absolutely"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "genetic, you would expect that you could"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "take an IQ test and it would never"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "change. Whatever score you got when you"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "were in eighth grade would be the same"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "score you got when you got out of"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "college, but we know that's not true. IQ"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "changes over time. And the the USA, if"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "you take the IQ test that we took back"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "at the beginning of the 20th century and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "the IQ tests, if they still take them,"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "that people take today, the entire US"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "population's intelligence has come has"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "come up. It's changed."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> So, these are hard things for people to"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "explain who believe that IQ is fixed"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "once for all by by our genetics."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> Um but there is something that genetics"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "clearly does, and teasing apart the role"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "of genetics versus culture versus"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "individual development and experience"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "is is pretty hard, but people have been"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "working on it for quite a while."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "so this idea, what I want what I what I"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "what I wanted to get to was from those"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "scans that were done on you when they"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "were playing the different languages"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "were lighting up certain part of your"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "brain."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "This sounds sort of like Chomsky's idea."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "And he Chomsky had the idea, correct me"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "if I'm wrong, but that there was a"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "certain part of the brain that was"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "responsible"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "at inherent in human beings for"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "language. I think that we were we were"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "born with that, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> Right. Um"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Chomsky was very amenable to discoveries"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "by people like the French surgeon Broca"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "and uh the German Wernicke uh who argued"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "that language was localized in one or"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "two spots in the brain."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:21", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> Evelina has shown that that is not"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "actually the case, that language is"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "spread throughout this network. However,"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "Chomsky never did any research on the"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "brain. Chomsky simply said that language"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "must be innate because everybody has it"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and everybody learns it before puberty,"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "long before puberty. Uh so it must be"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "innate. That's one possible explanation."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "And when he sees evidence that there are"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "certain parts of the brain dedicated to"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "he has often taken that as evidence that"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "it must be innate. But like I said um"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "where I how I tie my shoes is located in"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "some part of the brain. That doesn't"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "mean that shoe tying is innate. It just"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "means that your knowledge is in the"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "brain. It's got to be stored somewhere"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "and certain cells facilitate the storage"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "of certain things better than other"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "cells. It's still a to a large degree a"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "mystery for many people. I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "there's a neuroscientist somewhere who"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "thinks they have it figured out. But for"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "me it's still uh to to a large degree a"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "mystery. So"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "Evelina's work and Evelina would be one"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "of the first people to tell you this. It"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "doesn't address one way or the other"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "whether language is innate. She wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "say that it's evidence for it or"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "evidence against it. I don't think she"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "herself"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "believes the evidence that language and"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "is innate is very strong. But I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "want to put words in her mouth. But I do"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "know that the fact that there's a"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "language network doesn't mean that"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "language itself is innate."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> Right. Now you came up as a a Chomsky"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "fanatic, right? Like wasn't your"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "dissertation kind of like an homage to"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Chomsky?"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": ">> Yes, all of my early work was Chomsky"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "and my my kids who are all grown now"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "when they were little they said, \"You"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "seem to talk about Chomsky as much as"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "you talk about Jesus and in"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "in sort of the same way.\""}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "So yeah, he was a he was an intellectual"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "hero. He's"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "he's you know he's a brilliant brilliant"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "person who had a lot of great ideas. Um"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "and if I were to stop there every body"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "who's a linguist might agree with me."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "But then"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:19", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> after a while I thought, \"Yeah, there"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "are a lot of great ideas but so far none"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "of them have panned out.\""}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> Um so we don't have um"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "you know all the evidence that language"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "is innate is is highly indirect and"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "there are many other explanations for"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "it. So um in in a new book I have just"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "submitted to Oxford University Press,"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "I argue that"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the human ability to infer one thing"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "from another"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> is a an ability that's shared with many"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "many other creatures, probably all"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "creatures."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "this is just you see one thing and you"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "know that relates to another thing."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": ">> And then that relates to something else."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "So, it's recursive it's actually, even"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "though I've argued against recursion"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "recursion in the grammar, I've never"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "argued against recursion in the brain,"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "the ability of one thing to recur"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "time and time again."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "Um, so"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "this ability to infer things"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "is far more developed in humans than in"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "any other creature. You know, I keep"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "reminding people that"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "we shouldn't be too conceited that we're"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "humans because"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "you know, we've only had toilet paper"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "for a couple of hundred years. We you"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "know, we're basically hairless chimps."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "that walk upright with certain degree of"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "ease, but not totally because that's why"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "we get back problems cuz we originally"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "evolved to walk on all fours. But um"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "so the ability to infer"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "um in in my new book this this"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "replaces the need for a universal"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "grammar. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "the first person to talk about universal"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "grammar"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "was um to use that term"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "which is Chomsky's term, that's what"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "he's known for, this innate universal"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "grammar"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "uh was the monk from the 13th century,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "Roger Bacon, who was a a brilliant"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "person. When he talked about language,"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "he talked about a logical, not a"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "biological, universal grammar. So, that"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "language was constrained by logic."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Now, if we jump forward to 1865"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "600 years after Roger Bacon, we get to"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "Cambridge, Massachusetts to Charles"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "Sanders Peirce"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "who argued that um"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "for universal grammar. And he was the"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "first American to use the term universal"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "grammar, but he didn't mean it as a"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "biological capability. Well, it is a"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "biological capability, but it he didn't"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "mean it as an innate biological entity"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "that we're all born with language. He"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "said the brain is large enough and our"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "powers of inference are great enough"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "because of that brain that we can"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "um infer the structure of the language"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "that we're hearing. We can build it as"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "we hear it. Um so, the greatest uh"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "in my opinion, the greatest thing that's"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "ever been discovered in the history of"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "the universe is the human brain and it's"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "still in many ways a mystery, this"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "little piece of wet stuff and it's a lot"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "of a lot of it is just saturated fat uh"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "in our skull that we're able to figure"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "out all the things we figured out with"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "um that we have figured out in the"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "course of our history. And it's"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "interesting, too, that"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "over the last uh since erectus"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "disappeared with 950 cc brain and then"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "we got 1250 ccs with the first humans"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "over 200,000 years ago,"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:40", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> there doesn't seem to have been much"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "brain evolution. I wouldn't deny that"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "there has been perhaps some for"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "different populations, but the brain"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "hasn't really evolved. 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I need to"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "see it to believe it."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> And you're explaining to them"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "essentially myths,"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> right? So So just to emphasize that I"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "already was struggling with this from my"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "scientific training. So it wasn't that"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "the pita were the first ones to do this."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "But when they started acting like"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "scientists with me, then that really um"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "affected my thinking, but they would ask"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "just first first of all mundane"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "questions like what's Jesus look like?"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "What's his color? They really wanted to"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "know the color of Jesus because my color"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "white is considered quite unhealthy."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "They're not even sure if you have blood"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "because if you have blood, how can you"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "be white? Right."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> Um but they saw me bleed one time and so"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "they said, \"Well, that's interesting."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "He's white but [laughter] he has blood,"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "you know.\""}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> New data point."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, so they would"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "ask me questions. So, with what color"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "was he? And I couldn't tell them for"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "sure because nobody knows for sure. I"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "said, \"Some people think he was white."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Some people think he was brown.\" And"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "they couldn't believe that I hadn't seen"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "him. And I didn't know anybody who had"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "seen him. And they said, \"You don't even"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "know what he looks like. What is, you"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "know, um, how did he do this? How did he"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "do that?\" They wanted to know about"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "Jesus the person because I was always"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "talking to them about Jesus the person."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "And I realized I have the hypothesis of"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "Jesus and I don't have any evidence to"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "back it up."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> Um and and this to me is the people"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "sometimes ask me why are you an atheist"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "instead of an agnostic? Because an"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "agnostic says there could be a god but I"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "don't know. I haven't seen evidence and"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "don't not believe."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> An atheist says there is no god. So how"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "could you be so certain? Have you been"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "to every planet to check it out and see"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "there's no god? And I say simply it is"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "the scientific principle of parimony."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "What is the quickest and shortest u uh"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "explanation or William of AAM's razor?"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "What is the easiest explanation? There"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "has been nothing in my life that I need"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "God to help me explain."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "There's not a single fact of my life"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "anymore that the hypothesis of God plays"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "any role in. Um there are a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "things I don't understand but I don't"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "need God to help me not understand them."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "You know uh there are a lot of things I"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "do understand or I think I understand"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "fairly well through scientific method"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "and through uh other people. Um you know"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "we learn things um because of"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "authorities. That's the most dangerous."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "An authority says this is the truth and"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "we believe it because the authority said"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> right or we believe things because we've"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "used the scientific method to arrive at"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "our beliefs. We've had hypotheses and we"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "test the hypothesis"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": ">> and we keep testing them all our lives."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "We never done testing our hypothesis"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "about what gets us through life. So the"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "combination of my um changed thinking to"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "what I consider to be more scientific"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "thinking as well as the much more"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "scientific thinking of the pahas. Um so"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "I sort of get offended when people say"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "he he converted due to some stone age"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "primitive group. There [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "there's no stone age group in the world"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "today. The stone age disappeared"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "thousands and thousands of years ago."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "There are even if you just find a group"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "that can only use stones, that doesn't"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "mean they're living in the stone age."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "These are modern humans with modern"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "human brains and modern human cultures."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "They just live very differently and"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "technologically much more simply. But"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "these are modern human beings"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> that choose not to live any differently"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "than they live. And they've seen the"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "city, they've seen other things. They"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "don't desire those things. They desire"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": ">> to live the way they live. They're not,"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "as the Bible talks about, the sin of"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "covetousness. Well, that's one thing"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "pedas don't have. Um, if you have"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "something you want to share with them,"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "they fine, we'll take it. You know,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "that's great. But, um, the only thing"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "they ever ask me for are really small"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "things. They'll ask for like they'll see"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "that I have fish hooks. So, when they"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "teach me their language, they've all"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "been so good to me over the last 50"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "years teaching me. And I'm the student"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "still. I'm I've gone in there as the"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "student, not the teacher. That's another"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "thing that the missionary occupation"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "irritates me a little bit because not"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "only is it a sort of colonial activity,"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "but it's the missionary comes in as the"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "teacher, but the missionary is nobody"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "from the outside is the teacher. They're"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "the student. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "as I talked to the pahan and realized"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "how happy they were and how I didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "have the evidence that I needed to"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "really say that I had tested my"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "hypothesis meaningfully. And I saw that"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "both as a scientist and as a missionary."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Um I began to think, you know, maybe"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "they're on to something. And they would"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "never tell you. One time a group of men"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "came into the house and they said, \"Hey"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Dan, yeah, we really like you. You know,"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "you're here with us. You do medical work"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "for our kids and and you're funny and we"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "like you and um but we don't want to"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "hear any more about Jesus. You know,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "we're not Americans. And and we don't"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "want somebody who tells us we can't have"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "sex with other women. We don't want"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "somebody who tells us we can't drink. We"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "do what we want."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": ">> That's the pita way. We all do what we"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "want and nobody tells other people what"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "they should be doing. That's not"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "entirely true, but it's pretty close to"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "true."}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> And so they said, you know, we don't"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "know any Brazilians who do this either."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "We only know Americans who do this. So"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "this seems to be an American thing."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "Yeah. So like great anthropologists,"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "they discovered that what I was trying"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "to share with them was really more about"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "America and America's interpretation of"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "the New Testament than it was about"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "other countries interpretation of the"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "New Testament. There are a lot of uh"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "people who believe in the gospel who"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "don't believe in missionaries, don't"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "believe the missionaries should be sent"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "out. Uh that's very foreign to many"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "Americans. But the number of"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "missionaries going into the world today"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "is is from what I've read I haven't you"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "know I've stopped studying my"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "undergraduate degree involved a lot of"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "missionary studies but"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> um the number is less because most"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "churches today don't want to give money"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "from their church to send people abroad."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "They want to spend the money on from the"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "church on the church itself. So, it's"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "more of this gospel where Jesus wants us"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "to get wealthier and wealthier, which is"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "just in my opinion. Millions of people"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "would disagree with me, but it's the"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "opposite of the gospel."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> So, they had no concept for gods"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "whatsoever, like in general, no concept"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "of spirits or ghosts or"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> I thought they had concepts of spirits"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "when I first got there. And in some of"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "my publications, I've talked about their"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "spirits."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> But that was a contamination of my"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Christian mind. I could only so they"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "were talking about entities of the"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "jungle that they saw that I couldn't see"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "and it it took me a while to realize"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "that these weren't spirits. These were"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "just unexplained things they had seen"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "but they categorized them. So they might"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "hear somebody talking with a high voice"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "and they would give that a particular"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "name. uh kaw which means fast mouth"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "talking fast like a record speed it up"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "you know with a high voice and they"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "might see uh something it could have"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "been a deer you know but it could have"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "been a they thought it was a person-like"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "thing but it had long teeth and so they"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "call that big tooth and they have these"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "things but there's sort of a mixture of"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "fact and fiction they see these entities"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "and they tell stories about them and"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "those stories are very entertaining so"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "it's like the boogeyman or little red"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "riding hood"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> like Bigfoot Yeah, Bigfoot. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "It's it's a it's very much like like"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "Bigfoot and the uh abominal snowman and"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": ">> so I then I realized well they don't"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "have spirits and talking to God you have"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "to that concept just means nothing to"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> Um so you know anthropologists one or"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "two anthropologists have gone in and"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "said they do have a concept of God but"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "these people don't speak the language."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "If you don't learn to speak the language"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "fluently,"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> the Pahas have learned some stories in"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "very simple Portuguese that have been"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "told to them by Brazilians, which are"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "part of uh the river culture of Brazil,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "legends and entities and things like"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "this. So, some people record these"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "stories and don't realize they're"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "getting them secondhand. These aren't"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "peda stories. They sound like Peter hot"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "stories, but when you speak the"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "language, you hear the Peta tell the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "real stories, the stories they tell"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "among themselves,"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> and you realize, you know, there's"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "nothing like uh God. And so if you want"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "to talk about God, how do you how do you"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "describe God? You know, you you can say"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "God tells everybody what to do. No,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "everybody has to obey God. That's like"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "antithetical to pah culture, which in"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "which nobody tells anybody what to do."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "That's a high value for them. You don't"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "tell me what to do and I don't tell you"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "what to do. M"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> we work together. Um but if you don't"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "want to work with me and you don't want"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "to go hunting, well, your family's going"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "to go hungry. But that's up to you."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "That's your business,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": ">> you know. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> so many of the things like like"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "Christians often talk about being born"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "again. This is not something that is"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "going to appeal to a Hindu who is always"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "being born again on the cycle of life"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "and in fact would like to reach Nirvana"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "and not have to do that anymore. So, um,"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "so these are cultural concepts that we"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "import poorly into other societies and"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "you often find what you're looking for."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "So, if you're looking for God, you're"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "you might latch on to something that"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "sounds like a God's concept."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> In fact, many missionaries believe that"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "every single culture has concepts. They"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "call them redemptive analogies"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "um that you can use once you understand"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "the culture to bring in the message of"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "Jesus. But I found no evidence for that"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "in the more or less 20 groups of the"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "Amazon that I've worked with."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Did you ever have any conversations with"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "them um about like do they have any"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "belief of what happens when they die or"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "they just think it's they're dead and"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "gone and there's nothing there?"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Right. You know, I've asked"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "somebody what happens when you die and"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "there's a dead monkey lying by the fire."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "He said, \"Well, that's what happens."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "You're just dead.\" You know,"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> you're you're food."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Yeah. That's the, you know, they they"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "bury people, you know, um they just dig"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "a hole in the ground and put somebody"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "in. And it's not systematic. It's not"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "like they always bury everybody the same"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "way. They bury them usually with the"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "things they own. And they usually bury"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "them sitting sitting um in a narrow hole"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "because that takes less work than"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "digging a hor hole for them to lie down"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "in. And then they put some sticks over"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "their head and some banana leaves and"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "then they pack it full of dirt. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "they like to build the graves by the"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "riverbank, which is going to cave in in"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "a few years"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> because of the erosion. And so the the"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "graves don't last very long. They're"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "washed into the river after the person"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "is totally decomposed."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> And so they miss people. I have somebody"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "come in from the field one time, a guy,"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "and a friend of ours had just died that"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "year, and he his name was Isabi, and he"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "came in and he says, \"I almost cried"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "today in the field cuz I was thinking of"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "Isabi. He was such a good friend, but"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "he's dead and he's gone. It's not he"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "lives on in the memory, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "think he's in heaven or with God or"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "anything like that.\""}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "I've had some people say, \"So, you"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "think, you know, like my mother died"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "when I was 11, and I and I have missed"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "her um in 1962, the same day that"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "Kennedy died in 1963,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> and I so I've missed my mother now for"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "64 years.\""}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": ">> Um, but I don't plan to ever I don't"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "expect to ever see her again. And for"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "some people, that's really hard to"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> But if I'm dead and she's dead, neither"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "one of us is going to miss the other. uh"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "you know as Mark Twain said I I lived"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "for I eternity was no problem for me"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "billions of years before I was born"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> and I don't think it will be for"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "billions of years after I'm gone."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> U so yeah I just don't find I agree with"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "the peda that there doesn't seem to be"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "any evidence worthwhile that says we're"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "anything other than dead when we're"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "dead."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. It's probably the same"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "thing. There's probably this we probably"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "experience the same thing um that we"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "experienced before we were born,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> right? [laughter] Yeah. Which is"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "unconsciousness,"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> you know. Um I"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> mean that's a terrifying thought though."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "It's very uncomfortable."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> I had the fear of death is like there's"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "been a lot of lots of people who have"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "theorized like the fear of death is what"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "drives our psyche, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Probably that has something to do"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "with it. I don't fear death. I fear the"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "pain. I don't want to die in a flaming"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "car accident, right? I don't if but I"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "don't fear death itself. But um You"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "know, it's um"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "I I don't understand the fear of death,"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "but it is a very big thing and it"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "affects people psychologically. Freud"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "had a lot to say about it. Yung, many"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "other pioneering psychoanalysts and"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "psychologists talk about the fear of"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "death. And I the ironic thing is the"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "people who are most preoccupied with"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "death when I was a missionary or other"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "missionaries,"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> And they're worried about death. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "like my father-in-law. He was a really"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "cool guy, brave guy and everything, but"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "he was terrified of death. And I said,"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "\"Why are you afraid of death? Isn't that"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "the whole point is for to remove the"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "fear of death from people? You know,"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "you're going to go in heaven and be"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "singing hymns or whatever it is you're"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "going to be doing up there. Why would"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "you fear death?\""}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> But he was terrified of death. Um,"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": ">> and these people aren't."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": ">> No, they're not afraid of death. They"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "don't want to die right now, but they're"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "not afraid of it. It happens to"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "everybody. They they see everybody die."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "And um life requires a lot of effort. 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[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Now, what's the latest with Grant"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Cardone? I know he's been getting in a"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "lot of trouble. I also saw his videos of"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "those depositions or whatever. I know"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "that has a lot to do with like his"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "business, his shady like real estate"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "business where he tries to get people to"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "invest in buildings and stuff like that."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, in the Scientology world,"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "the latest with him is that him and his"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "wife Elena were just given the award for"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "being the number one"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "uh Dianetics, they call it the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "disseminators. But, in the real world,"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "it would be like the the number one"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "Dianetics recruiters in all of"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Scientology. So, I don't know if you've"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "seen like Elena seems to do this even"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "more than Grant. Like"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> That's his wife?"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Elena is his wife. And they're just"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "doing all these Dianetics promotional"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "videos."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "It's almost like how all of these these"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "gurus sell their stuff is be more like"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "me, buy my program, be more like me, do"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "my course,"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "emulate my success. This is how I"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "traveled my path. You can do the same if"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "you only, you know, invest with me or"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "buy my whatever."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Part of Grant's story is Dianetics."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "Dianetics is how I really unlocked my"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "potential. Dianetics is how I really,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "you know, got a handle on life."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "Dianetics is really how I was able to"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "see how I was holding myself back."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> You know, that's how I was able to take"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "it to to a to a whole 'nother level. Um"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "and so yeah, Miscavige awarded Grant"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "Cardone and his wife Elena as literally"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "the number one Dianetics promoters in"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "all of Scientology."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> recruiting people."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "That's That's why I do videos about"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "Grant. I don't really give a damn about"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "his real estate business or all of his"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "stuff. I go, \"The guy's one of the"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "number one recruiters and financial"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "supporters of a family-destroying human"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "trafficking cult.\" And so that's why I"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "do videos about him. And he he's only"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "been leaning into it more."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "He He If you look at his Instagram,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "especially if you're familiar with"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "downtown Clearwater and what the"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Scientology buildings"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "uh look like, he's been spending a lot"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "of time here."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Yeah, I've noticed."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> I've seen that. And I see he walks"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "around down there and like talks to"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "people and like he even films himself"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "walking through that flag building."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> And you see all the [ __ ] crazy gold"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "plated [ __ ] everywhere, the escalators."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "It's wild looking in there. It looks"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "like a Trump hotel."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "I I think Cardone makes a lot of money"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "on the backs of other Scientologists."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": ">> How?"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "by promoting his investment his"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "investment schemes."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> by doing his his seminars and his 10X"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "his 10X conferences. They all sort of"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "It's all"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> A lot of them."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> It's almost like an MLM within an MLM"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> Right, right. He sort of grab the those"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Scientologists that are already in the"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "church, they gravitate towards him"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "because he's one of the most famous"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "Scientologists. So he's got like an easy"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "target audience there."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> That's crazy, dude."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> And that whole lawsuit was crazy. So"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "that the the"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "What was the story with the with the"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "actual lawsuit with him?"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": ">> The lawsuit is him doing videos"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "guaranteeing a certain amount of returns"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "on one of his funds."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> of like he starts a new fund for each"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> Like time share type things, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Well, no. I mean"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "time share is a very specific thing."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "He's basically buying these giant"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "commercial apartment buildings, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "And so first he buys the building and"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "then he raise the funds and he flips the"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "building to his investors. Time share is"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "a very specific thing. That's not what"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "he's doing."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "Um but in order to raise the money for"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "these funds, he does it through social"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "media. He's raising his money from"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "unaccredited investors."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> And especially when you're promoting to"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "that type of investor, you're making"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "exaggerated claims of certain guaranteed"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "level of annual returns, you know,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "you're getting into fraud territory."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Because they're unaccredited investors,"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "the assumption is that they are not"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "necessarily smart enough to know that"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "what you're saying is obviously [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "and should be taken with a grain of"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "salt, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> And there was just a series of videos"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "where he kept repeating the same claim"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "of guaranteed returns. And then there's"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "one video where he even said that the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "SEC told him he couldn't say that, but"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "he was saying it anyway and the SEC"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "could basically go shove it."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> Jesus, that's crazy."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> So, uh one of the investors in that in"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "that fund just has has sued him for it."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "And that investor has since died. His"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "daughter has picked up the lawsuit. I"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "think we're talking about the Pino the"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "Pino uh it's actually class a class"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "action lawsuit. I think the investor is"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "Pino. And this thing's dragged on for"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "years and years. And uh you're talking"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "about a deposition that was recently"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "made public"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "where"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "I think Grant kind of made a fool out of"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "himself. And And did you watch the whole"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "thing?"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> No, I just saw clips. He was reposting"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "the clips of it."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> I know. And even lawyers were like, I do"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "not know why you are you know, there's a"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "lot of lawyers who do reaction videos on"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "YouTube."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> Like the Bearded Lawyer for example who"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "did uh"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "he might he might even be a a local guy."}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> The Bearded Lawyer?"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> There's a guy on YouTube, the Bearded"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Lawyer."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": ">> Hm."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> Um and he's like"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "I I don't know what Grant is doing. It"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "does seem like he's a little out of"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "control, but he's seemed a little out of"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "control to me for a for a long time. I"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:51", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> It's one of these things where he maybe"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "he could get away with this forever, you"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "know. I was speculating for a long time"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "that he was getting very close to going"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "to jail. The FBI had him under"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "surveillance. They had um"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:01", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> They were doing undercover This is a"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "well, some of the stuff that's come out."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "Uh even when he had a a falling out"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "recently with his um former business"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "partner uh Gary Brecka. You must know"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Have you ever interviewed Gary Brecka?"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> Health guy?"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> No, we got close to interviewing him,"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "but decided against it."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": ">> I interviewed him."}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": ">> Oh, yeah? Is he a Scientologist?"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": ">> No. No. But he uh he one of the stories"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "that he told is when Grant acknowledged"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "to him that Grant knew the FBI had been"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "recording his offices, um"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "um had people inside, some informants"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "working in there. And it's one of these"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "things where when the FBI surveillance"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "of you gets to that level, that seems"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "pretty incriminating. But on the on the"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "other side you're like, \"Yeah, but they"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "never brought a case.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "maybe they must not have found anything."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Or they found something, but it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "enough. Like, who knows how these"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "decisions get made, right? The SEC had"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "him under investigation."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "Well, this was one of the hottest clips"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "that came out in that deposition. Is he"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "sat there saying that the SEC had fully"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "cleared him of any wrongdoing. And the"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "lawyer said, \"The SEC absolutely did not"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "clear you of any wrongdoing.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "goes, \"Yes, they did.\" And the lawyer"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "gave him the letter from the SEC and"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "said, \"Read paragraph X from this"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "letter.\" And he goes, \"We are not"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "bringing an enforcement action.\" And the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "lawyer said, \"Yeah, read the next"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "paragraph.\""}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> And the next paragraph, \"This should in"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "no way ever be interpreted to mean that"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "you are being cleared of any"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "wrongdoing.\""}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "So, I don't know the"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "one way or another"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "the guy has not been prosecuted"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "criminally. Um he's not been uh the SEC"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "has not taken action against him at this"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "point. Um and this class action lawsuit"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "seems to be one of the last remaining"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "things that's uh"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "lingering over him. And um"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "I'm surprised he doesn't settle it, but"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "I guess I guess he does."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:52", "text": ">> And whatever happened with the Danny"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Masterson case?"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> Oh, that guy's doing life in prison."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> Life?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "Yeah. Up to life. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> And so Scientology was a huge part of"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "helping him with that lawsuit?"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Uh well, that wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "lawsuit. That was a criminal"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "prosecution."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Scientology was very active in silencing"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "his victims. And again, it's kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "like the Beck situation. Scientology"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "knew that Danny these women Scientology"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "knew it. They did their own"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "investigation and they determined it."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "This all came out in the trial."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "Um and they even permitted a financial"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "settlement between Danny and one of his"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "Scientologist victims because they"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "thought this would at least prevent this"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "victim from ever going public in the"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "future. So, like not only did they"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "investigate it. Like, Scientology"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "doesn't let Scientologists extort their"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "celebrities for money. There's no"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "benefit in Scientology for coming"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "forward and saying"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> a Scientologist celebrity hurts me."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:49", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": ">> If anything, Scientology would generally"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "come down pretty hard on one of its own"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "rank-and-file members accusing one of"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "its own celebrities of that, even"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "internally."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Okay? So, the fact that Scientology"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "arranged"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "not not only permitted, but arranged"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "this financial settlement is just one of"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "the many pieces of evidence that"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Scientology itself concluded Danny"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Masterson committed these"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> And and they're the ones who silenced"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "the victims for as as long as they were"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "silenced."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> Yeah, dude."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> Um and and that's why the Danny"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "Masterson trial ended up being"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "just as much of an indictment against"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Scientology as as Danny himself."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> It's a cartel. It's a cartel. Just like,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "you know, they're no different they're"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "no different than, you know, Mexican"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "drug cartels or, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "[ __ ] huge corporations that are"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "lobbying politicians to get away with"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "crimes, right? Like at any level"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> I think we've seen that more recently."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> We've seen that"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "more"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "you know, in the public in the last"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "couple months with like all the [ __ ] the"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "FBI's been doing with covering [ __ ] up"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "and protecting [ __ ] billionaire"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "donors. It's just"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "it all boils down to money at the end of"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "the day. If you have enough money to pay"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "off politicians, pay off judges, and"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "have [ __ ] blackmail on people, you're"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "just going to get away with [ __ ] in this"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "country. Unfortunately, that seems to be"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "the way it is."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "you know, I don't know if if if we're"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "ever going to see Scientology taken down"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "as long as they're breaking in as much"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "money as they have and [ __ ] lobbying"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "people and trying to control people in"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "government"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> Yeah. As much as they are."}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> I always say the good news is that"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "they're failing already on their own."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Government intervention would be"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "amazing. Massive civil settlements would"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "be amazing."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "Getting their tax-exempt status revoked"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "would be amazing. I look forward to the"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "day that those things happen, but"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "Scientology's failing pretty quickly all"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "on its own in terms of membership,"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "right? I mean, you could have a billion,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "two billion."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "Okay, any individual can have 10 billion"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "in the bank. Scientology can have money"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "in the bank, but if you don't have"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "members, you don't What what do you"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "have? What do you have? I mean, I guess"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "as someone who grew up in it and I see"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "the death of the organization as the"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "loss of its members. 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[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "So, I saw this triangular mall UFO back"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "in 2016 in November, I think it was, in"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "a town called Fletcher in North"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Carolina, close to Asheville. And"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "there's this the Blue Ridge Parkway is a"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "big overpass that goes over I26. And I"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "was on the highway and the highway is a"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "little bit loud, but I had the windows"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "rolled down [music] and I could see this"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "craft that was around dusk and it was"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "triangular and it was shining its light"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "on the treetops above me and it [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "wasn't there was no sound. There was no"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "engine. It was perfectly quiet and it"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "had a light on each of the triangle"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "points and I think it was a red light"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "right in the center and I was with a"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "friend of mine in the truck and we were"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "just hollering. We're like, \"Oh my god,"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "this is one of those things.\" I later"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "reported it on the national, what is it"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "called? The National UFO Reporting"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Center. Turned out that a lot of folks"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "saw stuff like that. Just a quick"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "reminder that our episodes do not"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "feature any AI generated imagery and"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "that the sketches featured in this"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "episode are indeed done by a human"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "artist. You can find their link below in"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "the description. Ladies and gentlemen,"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "welcome back to another episode of the"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "Area 52 podcast. My name is Chris Ramsey"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "and today we're going to be continuing"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "our adventure to the planet Serpo. If"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "you are not currently in the loop, part"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "one and two are available. And if you"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "don't want to watch those, uh the quick"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "rundown is apparently we've had an"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "exchange program with extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "after the Roswell crash. 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Do I"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "not believe it? Not really. I like the"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "idea of acquiring knowledge in any way,"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "shape, or form. And I read a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "science fiction books. Uh, but the most"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "stimulating ones are the ones that sort"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "of brush up against my own reality and"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "make me question whether or not these"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "things actually happen to some extent"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "perhaps. Maybe there's a seed of truth"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "in here. Maybe we'll find it. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "something with the knowledge that we've"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "acquired over the past few years of this"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "channel that will stick out that will"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "connect to another fact that we've"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "uncovered"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "and perhaps glean a little bit more on"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "the existence of, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "potential existence of these"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "extraterrestrials and our communication"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "with them. 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Uh, one of the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "passengers has passed away due to a"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "pulmonary embolism, I believe. And so as"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "tragic as that is, he was pilot number"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "two."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "You know, he will be missed, but really,"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "what are we doing here? Do we really"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "need pilot number two? Um,"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "we'll see. The commander's diary"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "describes the arrival on Serpo."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "EB1 came in. 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Um, pardon me."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "EB1 came in,"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "told us the journey was almost over. Led"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "us to the hallway. We got into a moving"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "room and moved to another part of the"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "ship. Came out in a large room. Many"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "items."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "I can't identify them, but they look"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "like clothing chests or bedroom chests."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "We were also led to a large table with"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "food. EB1 tells us to eat. He said,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "\"Good food. Eat.\""}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "We all look at each other. 7754"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "says, \"Let's eat.\""}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "Okay, we find plates. Seems like ceramic"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "plates. Real heavy. I chose something"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that looks like a stew. Then I got a"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "biscuit."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "Same as we ate earlier. The drinks were"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "in metal containers. Same fluid we drank"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "earlier. We all ate very little taste in"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "the stew."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "Something like potatoes, maybe"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "cucumbers."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "Some type of stems."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "Not really bad. The biscuits taste the"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "same. Everyone sat and ate. We found"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "something like apples, but didn't taste"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "like apples. Sweet and soft. I ate one."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Leaves an aftertaste in my mouth. Team"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "looks happy. Some are joking about not"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "having any ice cream. Okay. The MVC is"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "in the room. First time we saw him. He"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "speaks through EBE1."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "The language really bothers my ears."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "High-pitch sounds and the vocal tones"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "sound very strange. EB1 tells us MVC"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "wants us to prepare for landing. See"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "plate 13."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "Okay, how do we do that? You must go"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "into the bowl room. Get into the bowl."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "No one wants to do that, but if we have"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "to, we will do that. 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He tells us landing home."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "Okay, I guess we're here. We gather our"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "gear. 700 reminds us to wear our"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "sunglasses once we exit. We pack up and"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "walk down a long hallway. Then in"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "another moving room, we travel for one"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "minute, then door open. We are in a"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "large room. We see our stowed gear. Many"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "smaller spaceships are stored here. A"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "large door opens. Bright light. See the"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "planet for the first time. We walk down"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "the ramp. Large number of Ebans waiting"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "for us. We see a large Eban. Largest one"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "we've seen yet."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "He comes forward and starts speaking to"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "us. EB1 translates welcome message from"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "the leader. I guess this guy's a leader"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "about one foot taller than the others."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "The leader tells us we are welcome to"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "the planet. He called it something we do"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "not understand. EB1 isn't doing a good"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "job translating, but we are led to an"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "open area. 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We landed in an"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "open area with large structures like"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "electrical towers."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Something is sitting on top of these"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "towers."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Starting to sound more and more like"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "John Marston."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> Well, John Marston here. All right."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "Red Dead reference."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Um, the mirrored tower. 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So, I don't know if they"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "were previously briefed on the fact that"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "they will be breathing alien air and"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "that the aliens"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "oxygen, nitrogen, and everything else"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "levels are exactly what humans require"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "is kind of wild to me. That would be"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "wild to me."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "On the center of the village is a large"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "tower. Looks like a concrete structure."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Very large. Maybe 300 ft. Looks like a"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "mirror is placed on top of this tower."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "All the buildings look like adobe or mud"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "huts,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "some larger than others. Looking in one"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "direction, can't tell any actual compass"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "ratings, but there's a very large"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "structure. All the Ebons are dressed in"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "the same clothing, except for some of"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "the Ebans who were on the spaceship. Now"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "I see others dressed in a dark blue"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "outfit, different from the others. Each"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "Eban is wearing some type of box on"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "their belts. All have belts. Can't see"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "any children, but maybe they're the same"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "size, too. Our boots leave an imprint on"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "the soil. The brightness is almost too"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "much for our eyes without sunglasses."}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "Looking around 360°, I see buildings and"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "barren land."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "Can't see vegetation."}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "I wonder where they grow their food."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "What a planet."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "Hard to believe."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "Hard to believe we'll have to live here"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "for 10 years."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "But a journey of a thousand miles begins"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "with one footstep."}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "Can't remember who said that, but that"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "just came to mind."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "10 years. 10 years on an alien planet."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "What the hell?"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "Could you imagine being so calm?"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "I'm surprised not one of these people"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "have just absolutely lost their mind and"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "begun like screaming and punching random"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Ebons. Like there's there's nothing"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "stopping anyone from doing that. I feel"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "like when faced with this type of"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "ontological shift"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "I mean one out of 10 people is going to"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "start dropkicking some evens."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "I would assume maybe the training is"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "really good. I'm not saying I would"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "punch a gray"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "in the face, but I'm not saying that"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "under those circumstances"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "my mind wouldn't break and I wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "consider it. I'm not saying that."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "Interestingly, the Ebans offloaded the"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "supplies and equipment onto 16 separate"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "pallets. The commander was not able to"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "view the offloading procedure, but"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "apparently it was accomplished very"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "quickly. So, it seems likely that the"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Ebans manually transferred everything to"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "16 pallets and then floated the pallets"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "into the underground storage area."}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "Perhaps they were able to make the heavy"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "items weightless when they moved them"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "onto the pallets."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "Serpo is a rather desolate looking"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "planet, and the commander is clearly not"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "very happy about what he sees. In his"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "words, \"What a planet. Hard to believe"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "we will have to live here for 10 years.\""}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "Uh we later learn that this is not the"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Eban's native planet but was chosen as a"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "refuge after the volcanic devastation of"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "their home planet. Okay, so a volcano."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "They can travel through wormholes."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "Uh but they get wiped out by a volcano."}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "Yeah, sounds about right. Welcome to"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "planet Serbo. The large number of Ebans"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "are welcoming us. They seem friendly."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "Then almost shocking us, someone speaks"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "English. We all look around and see an"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "Eben. The Eben speaks very good English."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "This Eben we call Ebe 2 speaks almost"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "fluent English with the exception of not"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "really pronouncing the letter W."}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "How's he pronounce it? Like a V. V will"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "wait for you. But EB2 does a good job"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "speaking English. EB2 says we are"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "welcome to planet Serpo. Okay, that is"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "the name of their planet. EBE2 shows us"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "a device"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "and tells us one of us must wear it."}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "Looks like a small transistor radio. We"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "put it on our belts. The weather is"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "extremely hot. Ask 633 to take"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "temperature. He says 107°. Very warm. We"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "take off the top jacket and that leaves"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "us with a one piece flight suit. They"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "all look alike. All right."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "I wonder if that's actually the case or"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "if that's just,"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "you know, 60s"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "talk."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "you know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "You all look alike."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "I don't know. might be racist. Um, the"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "Ebans look at us but seem very friendly."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "Some are wearing some type of shawls. I"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "asked EB2 about that. EB2 says they're"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "are females."}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "Okay, I see. They all look alike."}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "Really hard to tell one apart except for"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "uniform."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "Some have different colored uniforms. I"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "asked EB2 about that. EB2 says military"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "uniform. Okay, that makes sense. EB2"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "leads us to a series of huts looking"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "like adobe style houses. There are four."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "Behind them is an underground room or"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "storage area. It is built into the"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "ground underground."}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "We have to walk down a ramp. The doors"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "look like a military igloo that store"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "our atomic bombs on Earth."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "All our gear taken off the spaceship is"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "stored in there."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "We walk down in this area. Very large"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "room. Very cool. A lot cooler. Might"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "have to sleep here."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "All our gear is there. 16 pallets of"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "gear. This igloo is made up of something"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "like concrete, but not the same texture."}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "Feels like soft rubber, but still hard."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "The floor is made of the same stuff."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "There are lights in the ceiling. Looks"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "like spotlights."}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "They have electricity. We must inventory"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "all our gear sometime. We go back to"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "huts. The huts are cooler than outside,"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "but still very warm. We must get"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "organized. I tell EB2 we will need to be"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "alone and get organized. EB2 then I"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "realize EB2 is a female. Says okay, we"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "will be left alone. I asked for the body"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "of 308. EB2 seems to be confused and"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "doesn't know about any body. I explained"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "EB2 held her hands across her body and"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "bowed her head. It was really an"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "emotional sight because she was almost"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "crying. EB2 told us that the body would"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "be brought to us. She must check with"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "her trainer."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "The word trainer kind of shocked me. Is"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "EB2 in training and someone is teaching"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "her. Or is the word trainer in Eban"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "something different in English? Maybe"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "that means leader or commander. Don't"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "know. But EB2 left. I told 203 to gather"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "everyone in the lower storage area. We"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "will have a team meeting. 633 suggested"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "we start the calendar as of today. It is"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "1300 hours on our day one on planet"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "Serpo."}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "Hi Dang."}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "I like how mid-con conversation he was"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "like, \"Oh, she's a woman.\" And the shawl"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "being the only difference is kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "wild. They'd be very confused here on"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "Earth if they went to Italy."}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "All right. The team was able to use all"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "their electrical appliances. They"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "plugged them all into the sealed black"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "box and they all worked. It is believed"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "that the team was also able to use Eban"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "device that they had developed to"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "communicate with Earth. There didn't"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "seem to be anything to prevent this"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "except for the slim possibility that it"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "only worked with the Eben language."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "But even in that case, the Ebons would"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "have translated messages into English."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "For some reason, Anonymous never"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "discusses the utilization of the"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "communications device by the team. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "that's kind of strange that there's like"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "a back and forth instant communication"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "through space and time. That's quite"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "wild. It is interesting to note that the"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "Ebans have electricity but no air"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "conditioning. This is one of the many"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "paradoxes of the Eban technology and"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "civilization. They are advanced and"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "civilized and yet they are primitive and"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "simple at the same time."}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "Yeah, that is interesting. Maybe they"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "know something about AC that we don't."}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "The female alien that the team commander"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "designated as EBE2, who speaks excellent"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "English, is clearly the same EBE2 who"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "translated the yellow book and who"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "presented it to our greeting party at"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "the first landing in April 1964."}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "and who also translated the conversation"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "at the time. It is coincidental that she"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "was given the same name both times"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "because none of the team members had"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "been present during the greeting at the"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "April landing. Uh they were all waiting"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "in a bus. Her emotional reaction in this"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "bit of drama regarding the body of 308"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "reveals a sympathetic and compassionate"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "nature which the team learned was"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "generally characteristic of this race."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "As we will see, this first incident"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "about the recovery of 308's body was the"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "opening round of what turned out to"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "almost become a major diplomatic problem"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "very early in the game. In this next"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "diary entry, we see that EBE2 becomes a"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "very important link between the team and"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "the other Ebans."}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "Maybe they have books about Earth. We"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "had a serious problem. How do we explain"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "to our science to an alien entity who"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "doesn't know Einstein, Kepler, or any of"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "the other scientists of our time? Simple"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "mathematics seems so foreign to them."}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "EB2 is a smart one. She seems to"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "understand our language more than one"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "and two. She even seems to understand"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "our basic math. We started with basic"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "math, 2 plus two, and then progressed"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "on. She understood, even caught on so"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "quickly that she continued without our"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "help. We realized that she has a great"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "IQ, which she repeated a thousand times"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "a thousand and came up with an answer."}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "We showed her our slide rule. Took her a"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "couple of minutes to figure it out,"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "although I don't think she fully"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "understood all the symbols on the slide"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "rule. She's really something. We found a"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "personality in her. Maybe because we"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "have more contact with her than the"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "others. She's very warm-hearted."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "One could just sense that in her. She"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "really cares about us. She even worries"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "about us. During our first night, she"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "seemed to make sure everything was just"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "right for us. She warned us about the"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "heat and the light. She mentioned that"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "Serpo does not get dark like Earth. I"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "wonder how she knew that. Has she"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "visited Earth?"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "Maybe she's just educated on Earth"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "properties. Maybe they have books about"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "Earth. Anyway, on the first night, she"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "told us about the winds. What winds?"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "Gusty winds start just when the one sun"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "sets. The other sun does not, but stays"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "in the lower horizon."}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "The winds blow dust, free dust, into our"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "huts. We had a very difficult first"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "night. We call it night because it seems"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "that the Ebans just call it a period of"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "their day. EB3"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "AB2 knew the word day but didn't compare"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "it to Earth's day. Maybe she hasn't been"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "to Earth. We didn't sleep well during"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "our night."}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "The Ebans don't sleep like we do. They"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "seem to rest for periods of time and"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "then wake and go about their business,"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "whatever that might be. When we awoke,"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "EBE2 was there outside our hut."}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "I opened the door and she was waiting."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "Why?"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "How did she know we were awake? Maybe"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "the huts are being monitored by some"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "sensor. EB2 told us to follow her to the"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "eating place. She didn't use the word"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "dining hall or chow hall or facility."}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "She used the word place."}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "All right, first off,"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "keep it in your pants, Skipper."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "I feel like this guy's getting a case of"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "the Serpo Goggles. He might be spending"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "a little too much time away from home or"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "other humans. Um he's it's he sounds a"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "little little too intrigued by this"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "EBE2. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "Watch a love um start blossoming. I I"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "mean I wouldn't be against it. I think"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "that that's exactly what this story"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "might need. Um all right."}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "The fact that the team used a slide rule"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "for computations really dates this entry"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "and authenticates the time frame. The"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "introduction of inexpensive scientific"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "calculators in 1974"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "made the slide rule virtually obsolete."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "But in the 1960s, all engineers"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "routinely carried slide rules on their"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "belts. In fact, the fact that EBE2 was"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "able to quickly understand the use of"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "the slide rule with its cryptic symbols"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "tells us a lot about the high Eban"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "intelligence. The commander speculates"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "that perhaps EB2 had visited Earth. At"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "this point, he did not know that EB2 had"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "indeed visited Earth in April 1964."}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "And evidently, he knew nothing about the"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "yellow book or he would have been"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "informed that she had been the"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "translator. The fact that MJ12 kept this"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "very important piece of knowledge from"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "the team is astonishing."}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "In this case, the paranoia and secrecy"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "went too far. This team had given up a"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "real deal to make this journey and they"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "deserve to know everything possible"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "about the planet that would be their"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "home for the next 10 years. Someone"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "should have briefed them about the"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "yellow book."}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "I agree. How much secrecy is too far."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "We are the aliens. Once I gathered the"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "team, we walked across a village. I'll"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "call it a village for the sake of"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "wording. We entered a large building. It"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "seemed to be large based on the small"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "stature of the Ebans. There was food on"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "tables. I guess we'd call this place a"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "chow hall. Ebans looked at us, but"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "carried on eating. Do they not cook"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "inside their huts? Maybe everyone eats"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "here. We walked to the food tables. Same"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "food we saw and ate on the spaceship,"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "except some items were different. They"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "had large bowls, something like fruits,"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "strange looking things."}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "They also had something like cottage"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "cheese. It tasted like sour milk, but"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "after the initial taste, all right. I"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "encourage each team member to eat and"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "drink. Might as well get used to the"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "food. But 700 tells us to eat just one"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "of their meals a day and stick to our C"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "rations for the other meals. That way,"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "our system will adjust to the even food."}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "We sat at a table small compared to our"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "standards and ate. The Ebans numbering"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "probably about a hundred. Just ate"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "didn't really bother us."}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "Every now and then we'd catch Ean"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "staring at us, but we were the freaks,"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "not them. We are the visitors. We are"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "the aliens."}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "We must look strange to them. We all"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "look different. They all look the same."}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "And I can't help but think that they do"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "look different. Um, it's just this guy,"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "you know, he just"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "it's it's the 60s, man. You know what I"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "mean? All right. It makes me laugh."}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "Okay, how can they compare us to them?"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "They can't. We stare at them and they"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "stare at us. We see a different looking"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "Eban. Very strange looking creature."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "Large, long arm, almost floats along"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "with long legs. Can't be an Eban. We all"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "stare. This creature just floats by us"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "and didn't even look at us. I find E,"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "too. She's eating with three others."}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "Once I approach her, she stands and"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "almost bows her head towards me."}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "Maybe just a greeting. Have to remember"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "I asked her about the creature we saw. I"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "asked if it was some other type of Eban."}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "Eie too seems confused."}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "She asked me what creature. I used the"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "word creature. Maybe that was an insult"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "or maybe she didn't know the word. I"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "pointed to the thing at the other end of"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "the building. She then saw what I meant."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "Ebe too said, \"No, Eban. just visitor"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "like you pointing to me."}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "Okay, I see they have other alien"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "visitors here. I guess we're not the"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "only ones. I then asked EB2 what planet"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "did that visitor come from? EB2 said"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "something like Corta. Not sure of the"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "exact word, although I asked her to"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "repeat it twice. Okay, where is Corta?"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "She walks me to a television. At least"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "it looks like one."}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "It's positioned in the corner of the"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "building and it's set up like some type"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "of command station. She places her"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "finger on the glass and something"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "appears."}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "Bit of an asterisk here. This technology"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "is now commonly used by television"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "anchors, commentators, and"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "meteorologists. They routinely"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "manipulate images on the television"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "monitors using their fingers and bring"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "up statistical underpinnings."}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "And it is used like the iPad and all all"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "the new tablets. Quite possibly the"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "Ebans helped us develop this capability."}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "Okay. the universe, star systems. I"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "don't recognize any of them. She points"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "to a spot and says, \"Corta.\""}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "Okay. Where's Earth? She points to"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "another spot and says, \"Earth.\""}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "Based on this television glass space"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "map, Corda and Earth are very close."}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "But I don't know the scale of this map."}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "Maybe they're a trillion miles apart or"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "maybe 10 light years. But they seem"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "close."}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "I'll have to have one of the scientists"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "look at this to see. Okay, I thank EBE2."}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "She seems pleased. She almost looks like"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "an angel."}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "She seems so very nice. She touched my"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "hand and pointed to my table and said,"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "\"Eat. Good eat.\""}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "I laughed and said, \"Yes, good chow hall"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "food.\" She looked puzzled."}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "I guess she doesn't know what a chow"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "hall is."}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "I pointed to the building and said,"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "\"Chow, Earth eating place.\" She repeated"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "what I said. \"Chow,"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "Earth eating place.\" I laughed and"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "walked away. Now she will think all"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "Earth restaurants are called Chow Halls."}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "The description of the creature from"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "Corta sounds very much like an alien we"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "now call the mantis because it resembles"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "a preying mantis. Many contactes have"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "reported seeing these aliens on"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "spaceships when they were abducted."}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "They are invariably described as kind"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "and compassionate beings. Thank God."}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "Thank goodness. Jesus."}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "The fact that aliens from other star"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "systems are permitted to freely mingle"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "with the populace testifies to the"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "galactic cosmopolitan nature of Serpo."}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "In the Chow Hall incident, we see that a"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "very affectionate, trusting relationship"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "has sprung up between commander and"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "EBE2,"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "who has evidently been designated as"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "their combination translator, guide, and"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "hostess."}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "All right, so I definitely didn't read"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "into something too much. It was there. A"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "loves a brewin, loves a blossoming."}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "Love to see it."}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "I'm actually in favor of this."}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "I I love when the uh just like in you"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "know the Lerta files you you felt a"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "little bit of a"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "thing right"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "now what's different about the"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "lertaphiles is that she can you know"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "obviously she can be a reptilianike"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "entity but she can morph or or or in"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "your mind at least look like something"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "entirely different. Um this guy is just"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "into grays at this point. Um he said it"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "himself, they all look the same. So"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "either he's really into all of the grays"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "or he's just a personality guy."}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "Those are the options. 11. Adjustment."}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "The team commander record of the first"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "day on Serpo continues. We return to our"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "huts. We must get better organized. We"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "have a meeting. Everyone seems okay. We"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "wonder about latrines."}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "Where do we relieve ourselves? EB1 comes"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "by almost as if he was reading our"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "minds. Maybe they can even do that. He"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "tells shows us pot in hut. We all"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "wondered what that was. Okay, that is"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "our latrine. Realize that won't work"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "very well, but we'll do what we can."}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "Then we realize the pot has some sort of"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "chemical inside. Our waste are dissolved"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "or something like that. Can't really"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "tell. Each of the four huts has one."}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "That'll work for the time being."}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "I've got to take a dump. No, he didn't"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "say that. I just added that. Sorry about"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "that. Uh must be over 140°. Wow. Okay."}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "Very hot on this planet indeed. EBE1 uh"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "tells us to walk on ground."}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "Not sure what he means by that, but 420"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "says that might be to just walk around."}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "Okay, that we will do. I organize the"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "teams. 102 will remain with 225. I want"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "633 and 661 to look at the television"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "glass map to see if they can tell which"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "star system is Corda. I ask 518, the"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "biologist, to take a temperature"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "readings and general weather"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "observations. I know it's hot, very hot."}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "Must be over 140°. 754 warns us to keep"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "covered from sun radiation."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "754 says radiation levels are high."}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "Doesn't sound very good to me. This"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "reminds me of Nevada 1956 during the"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "atomic bomb testing."}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "We had hot weather. We had to worry"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "about the radiation from the atomic"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "blasts."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "Now we're on a strange planet 40 light"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "years from Earth and we have radiation"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "and heat. But we have to explore."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "That is why we're sent. We start walking"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "around. 475 will take photographs with"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "our military cameras. I hope the film is"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "not affected by the radiation. How do we"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "develop it? Maybe we didn't think of"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "everything. I team up with 225. We walk"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "to a large open door building. We walk"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "in and it looks like a classroom, but no"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "Ebans are here. There's a large"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "television tube takes up an entire wall."}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "There are some lights flashing on this"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "television tube. We examine the tube."}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "It's very thin."}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "But maybe there are more advanced in"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "this area than us. They must be. We"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "don't find or touch anything else in"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "this building. We move on. Wow, it's so"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "very hot. I hope I get used to it. So,"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "they got flat screens. There you have"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "flat screen technology in the 50s, in"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "the 60s. What is this?"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "An alien planet."}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "I forgot to ask you guys, what's your"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "conviction level so far on this whole"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "thing?"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "I want this to be real so bad, by the"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "way. Like, I want nothing more than for"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "this entire story to be 100% accurate."}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "I'm not quite there. Uh, but I'd be"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "curious to know, you know, is there"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "something in this story? Obviously, the"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "whole thing sounds a little"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "preposterous, but is there something in"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "this story that rings more true or that"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "was perhaps seated or inseminated into"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "this book? Uh, is there something that"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "rings more true than something else?"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "What is that detail? For me,"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "it might either be the time travel"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "stuff, like the wormhole stuff. I love"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "that concept."}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "Um or just the fact that there was some"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "type of meeting. Um but let me know what"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "your thoughts are. And as for"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "uh the binary star system, is anyone out"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "there like into geoysics or astrophysics"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "that could corroborate,"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "you know, whatever they said about the"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "temperature, the time of day, and that"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "type of thing. Um, I wonder I I might"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "not be smart enough to uh understand how"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "that would actually work. Or would it be"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "some sort of threebody problem where it"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "would spin uh chaotically out of orbit"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "or collide?"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "The commander's comparison of conditions"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "on Serpo with the 1956 atomic bomb"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "testing conditions in Nevada, especially"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "with regard to radiation exposure, tells"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "us that he must have been involved in"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "those tests."}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "This is the second piece of information"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "revealed about the commander's past. We"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "previously learned that he was from"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "Colorado. The huge thin television tube"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "without electronics showing sounds"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "suspiciously like our modern flat screen"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "televisions. Once again, was this"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "technology given to us by the Ebans?"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "It's interesting that the commander is"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "surprised by that. They are more"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "advanced in this area than us. Why would"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "he be surprised that they are ahead of"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "us in television technology when he"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "knows that they have mastered time"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "travel?"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "It's a great question."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "How he's like, \"Time travel? Okay,"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "TVs."}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "What the hell?\" The commander continues."}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "We find a large tower. Looks like an"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "antenna tower, but it has a large"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "mirror."}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "We saw this when we first arrived"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "yesterday. We find an even standing near"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "the door, but he moves aside."}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "We ask him if he understands English. He"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "just stares at us, but seems friendly. I"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "guess he doesn't speak English. We move"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "on into the building. Can't find any"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "stairs, but we see some type of round"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "glass room."}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "Maybe it's an elevator."}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "Then we hear English. We turn around and"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "find EBE2 standing there. Where did she"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "come from? I asked her if we may explore"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "this building. She said yes, of course."}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "She points to the glass room and says,"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "\"Go up.\""}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "Okay. We enter the glass room. The glass"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "door closes and goes up real fast. In no"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "time, we were at the top."}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "The sundial tower."}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "But what is this? We ask EB2. What is"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "She points to the sun and then points to"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "the top of the room where the mirror is"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "located. She then points to the ground."}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "Okay, we see it. The tower is in the"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "middle of the circle. The circle is"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "situated on the ground. In each quadrant"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "of the circle is a symbol. I see that"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "the sun is directed through the mirror."}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "Maybe this isn't a mirror as we know it"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "since the sunlight travels through it."}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "But once the sunlight travels through"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "it, the light is directed on a symbol"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "within the circle. EB2 says that when"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "the light contacts the symbol, then"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "Ebans make change. Not sure what that"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "means. Maybe she means it tells the"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "Ebans what to do. 225 seems to think"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "it's a sun dial. When the sun strikes a"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "symbol, the Ebans change what they are"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "doing. Do something else."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "Maybe the Eban day is structured. Or"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "maybe this is their clock."}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "Strange,"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "but we are on an alien planet. I'm glad"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "I still have my sense of humor."}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "We have to start using even time."}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "This is only our first day. First day of"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "school. We have a lot to learn. We have"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "to keep an open mind. Can't keep"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "comparing things to Earth. We have to"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "open our minds. New ideas, new science."}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "All these things are foreign to us. But"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "we must learn. I pointed to my"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "wristwatch and then pointed to the"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "ground in a gesture to show EBE2 that"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "the two items are time pieces."}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "Not sure if she understood,"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "but I said time and she then understood."}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "Yes, she said. Eban time. Pointing to"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "the ground. I pointed again to the"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "wristwatch and said, \"Earth time.\" EBE2"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "then almost smiled and said, \"No, no"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "Earth time on Serpo."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "Okay, that makes sense. 225 said she"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "just told us that Earth time doesn't"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "work on Serpo."}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "Yes, I guess she did. What good is our"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "watches or time devices here? They don't"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "work. We have to start using Eban time."}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "But we must also maintain our time"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "because we must know when to leave. 10"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "years seems like a million. Maybe based"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "on even time that it might just be a"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "million years. Let's hope not."}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "No time to think about home. We have a"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "mission and duties to perform. We're a"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "military team and we must maintain that"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "idea. 225 and myself go back into Glass"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "Bowl and go down to the ground. The"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "sketch shown here was made by the team"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "commander to attempt to capture his view"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "of the base, the Mir tower. He"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "considered this important enough to draw"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "because the sun's focus on these objects"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "dictated the day's activities for"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "everyone in the community. and each"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "community had such a tower. See page 142"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "for what anonymous says about the"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "commander sketch. It should be noted"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "that anonymous claims the sketch was"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "made in ' 67."}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "Since the team arrived on Serpo in"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "mid66, obviously the sketch was not made"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "on the first day of the planet, but a"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "few months later, the words and brackets"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "were added by email recipient and editor"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "Victor Martinez."}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "Anonymous mentions drafting templates to"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "explain that these templates were used"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "to make the sketch. It is not a freehand"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "drawing. Website moderator Bill Ryan"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "adds the following information about how"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "it was drawn. It is since shown"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "conclusively that this drawing was made"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "with a barrel rapid design R22"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "architect's drawing stencil. However, it"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "is also known that this very common"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "template was on the market a number of"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "years before Serpo mission departed in"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "1965 and may well have been included"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "among the equipment taken by the Serpo"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "team. Cool. Another corroborating piece"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "of uh minor corroborating piece of"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "evidence here to support uh this event"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "at least being made up in the 60s."}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "Comments by anonymous about the sketch."}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "A great deal of planning went into the"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "10-year mission to Serpo. Several teams"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "of officials planned what equipment to"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "take. These officials tried to imagine"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "every conceivable situation where"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "certain types of tools and other"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "equipment might be needed."}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "One area was capturing the view and"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "makeup of objects, artifacts, and"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "landscapes on planet Serpo. The mission"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "team took cameras, 16 different types of"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "cameras, and drawing drafting equipment."}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "Although no team member was trained in"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "drafting, three team members had drawing"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "experience from their college days."}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "Several different types of drafting"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "templates were taken on the trip. The"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "planning officials tried to envision"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "every type of situation where a template"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "might be needed. The drawing made by the"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "team commander depicts the base of the"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "sundial. Each object meant a certain"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "time of day to the ebids. When the sun"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "was directed through the sund dial onto"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "the object at the base of the sund dial"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "that meant a specific task or change of"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "to the ebans."}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "For example, it might signal a change in"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "work schedules, a time to rest, a time"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "to eat, a time to celebrate, etc. After"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "a few years, the team learned each"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "symbol and learned the meaning of each"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "symbol."}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "This drawing is a copy of the actual"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "drawing made by the team commander in"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "1967. The team also took many"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "photographs of the sundial symbols."}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "The regimentation of the Eban society is"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "surprising. Our team was able to"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "determine the average IQ of the Ebans"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "was about 165 on our scale. It wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "be expected that aliens with such high"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "intelligence would subject themselves to"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "such rigid control over their daily"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "activity."}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "On Earth, we associate creativity with"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "complete freedom of expression. And we"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "understand that creative people must be"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "permitted to live perhaps eccentric"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "lives. We actually expect writers and"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "artists not to conform to conventional"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "patterns of life. Perhaps this is the"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "key. The Ebans did not display the sort"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "of individuality that we have. And"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "consequently,"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "there was little or no creativity in the"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "Eban race. They are not very innovative."}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "They simply accept the precedents and"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "follow the rules handed down to them"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "from earlier generations. Intelligence"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "alone does not guarantee creativity."}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "From this we can begin to appreciate the"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "unique qualities of the human soul and"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "the importance of diversity."}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "Couldn't agree more."}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "Even food, let's talk about this"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "paperier-mâché. This tasteless"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "stuff. Actually, there's stuff that has"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "tastes like apples."}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "And they got fruits there, too, which is"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "cool. Even food. We walk into another"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "building, large again. Inside, we find"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "rolls and rolls of plants. This must be"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "some sort of greenhouse. They're growing"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "food. Many Ebans are inside. They look"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "at us with some glares. But we just"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "walk. We just walk in and around. One"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "Eban comes up to us and speaks, but an"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "Eban. He seems to be telling us"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "something. He points to the ceiling and"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "then to our heads. Maybe he's telling us"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "to cover our heads. We must find EBE2."}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "We go back outside and then find EB2."}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "She always seems to be near."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "Now we understand why. She's monitoring"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "us by the devices we are wearing on our"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "belts. I ask EB2, \"What is that"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "building?\" She says, \"Food making"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "place.\""}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "maybe we contaminated the place. We told"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "her that another Eban spoke to us and"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "then pointed to our heads. EB2 seemed"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "confused and walked back into the"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "building with us. The same Eban"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "exchanged words with EB2. EB2 then told"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "us that we must wear a cover on our"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "heads in order to enter. Why?"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "But we didn't argue. This other Eban"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "produces some sort of cloth hat and we"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "wear it. We walk about."}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "They even seemed happy. We look at their"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "plants. They're growing food and soil."}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "They have a watering system. They also"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "have some sort of transparent cloth over"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "each plant. I point to the watering"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "system and ask EB2 if that is water,"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "drinking water."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "Two said yes"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "and then senses we are thirsty. Two"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "leads us to a place near another"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "entrance and offers us water. At least"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "we think it's water. tastes like"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "chemicals, but it is water. Actually"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "tastes good. This is another example of"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "even technology that seemed novel to our"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "people at the time in the mid 1960s, but"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "hydroponics now commonly used here to"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "grow vegetables. It permits complete"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "inexpensive control over plant growth"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "and requires no soil. It is beginning to"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "appear that we learned a great deal from"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "our Serpo experience."}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "In his sixth information release,"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "Anonymous gives the following details"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "about the Eban food taken from the"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "30,000page debriefing document that he"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "had in his possession. My god, 30,000."}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "Also interesting, you know, at first I"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "was like, okay, flat screens. Oh, I"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "guess we got that from the aliens. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "but more and more, how cool would it be"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "if like the stuff that we have around us"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "is at least partially influenced by like"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "the journals of this guy."}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "That was like a real thing."}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "It's probably where ping pong came from."}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "Food was a problem for our team members."}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "Our team consumed most military-style"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "sea rations, but eventually had to"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "switch to Eban food. The Ebans had a"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "variety of food items. They grew"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "vegetables. Our team found items similar"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "to potatoes, but they tasted different."}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "They had some type of lettuce, turnipss,"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "and tomatoes. They were the only items"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "similar to ours. The Ebans had other"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "vegetables grown. These were strange"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "looking round items with long vines. The"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "Ebans cooked the vines and ate the large"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "portion of the plant raw. The Ebans had"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "some type of white liquid, which we"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "first thought was a form of milk, but"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "after tasting it, our team realized it"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "was different both in taste and content."}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "The liquid came from a small tree"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "located in the northern portion of the"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "planet. The Ebans literally milked the"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "tree for the liquid. It appeared to be"}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "some sort of pleasure to drink the"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "stuff. Our team members never got a real"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "taste for the liquid. The Ebans cooked"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "food. They make pots of stew, which was"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "extremely tasteless to our team. We used"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "a lot of salt and pepper. They also"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "baked a form of bread. It was a non-"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "yeast bread that tasted fairly good, but"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "caused extreme constipation to our team"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "members. We had to drink large"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "quantities of water in order to digest"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "the bread. The one common food that the"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "Ebans and our team members liked was the"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "fruit. The Ebans ate a great quantity of"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "fruit. The fruit, although different"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "from anything we saw, was sweet."}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "Some of the fruit tasted something like"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "melons while others tasted like apples."}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "Another problem was the water. The water"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "on Serpo contained a number of unknown"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "chemicals found by our team. Our team"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "eventually had to boil the water before"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "drinking it. Seeing this, the Ebans"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "built a large plant that processed water"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "for our team. How kind of them. I like"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "these Ebans."}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "Eban elimination. Okay. Anonymous"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "continues, \"The Ebans did not have a"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "physiological need to release body waste"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "as we did. [music] The Ebans had small"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "collection locations in the residence"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "for their body wastes, but the Eban's"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "body was extremely efficient in"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "processing all food taken in. Their body"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "waste consisted of a small amount of"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "fecal matter similar to a small cat"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "dropping. Our team members never saw any"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "urine excretion from an even. On the"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "other hand, our team members wastes"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "consisted of bulk quantity of both fecal"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "matter and urine. The Eban had to dig"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "large waste reception sites for our 12"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "team members wastes. The Ebans"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "accommodated our team."}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "How kind of them. They seem very kind"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "and friendly, but this goes against um a"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "lot of the modern lore that states that"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "the Eban just pooped through their skin."}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "Skin poopers is the scientific technical"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "term I believe. Um,"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "instead they poop like cats apparently"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "and they don't pee."}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "Hm."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "Disappointing."}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "12. Confrontation. Okay. Some drama."}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "And fourth. This would be a long-term"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "project which it would take generations"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "of totalitarian control to bring to a"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "successful conclusion. a foolproof"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "system of eugenics designed to"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "standardize the human product and so to"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "facilitate the task of managers forward"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "by Aldis Huxley's brave new world. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "ominous"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "following the death of 308 on the trip"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "to Serpo, the Ebans took control of the"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "body without explanation. Upon arrival,"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "the team commander requested the body of"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "308 and was told that was not possible."}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "In the following diary entry, the"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "commander relates how his attempt to"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "retrieve the body escalated into a tense"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:58", "text": "confrontation and how EBE2 tried"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "desperately to diffuse the situation."}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "It took all 308's blood."}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "Leader of the Ebans is a larger creature"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "than the others. He seems to be more"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "aggressive than the other Ebans. When I"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "write aggressive, I don't mean in a"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "hostile way. He seems to be the boss,"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "similar to me as a team commander. Its"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "voice, although after all this time I"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "still can't understand any words, is"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "harsh with a tone that is different from"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "the rest. 203 claims the leader has an"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "attitude. I agree."}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "He's extremely friendly to us and has"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "accommodated all of our requests. The"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "leader has requested many things from"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "us, most of which we have provided. One"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "strange thing is our blood. He wanted"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "all of us to supply a blood sample."}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "Two explained that the blood or health"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "fluid as two explained it was necessary"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "for them to supply any medicine to us if"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "we should ever need it. 7754"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "feels that a blood sample might just be"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "used for other purposes."}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "We have allowed the Ebans to utilize"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "308's body for experiments. They took"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "all 308's blood. That was without my"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "approval. It's a little hypocritical."}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "Didn't we also"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "exume and and and and autopsy the bodies"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "that crashed at Roswell?"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "Feel like there's a bit of a double"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "standard here with what we're allowed to"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "do with their bodies and what they're"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "allowed to do with ours."}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "I wrote about that in log 388."}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "We had a very tense situation with the"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "Ebans about that. We traveled to the"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "building housing 308's body. We were"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "confronted by several Ebans. EB1. This"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "EB1 is the Eban leader referred to"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "above. He's not the same as EB1 who"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "crashed at Roswell. He showed up and I"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "explained that we wanted the body of"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "308. One told us that we will take it."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "The 11 of us walked by the Ebans"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "numbering six and walked into the"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "building. They did not attempt to stop"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "us. While inside, we could not open any"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "of the containers. There was some type"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "of system, maybe crypto style, that was"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "being used to lock the containers. We"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "did find the container housing 308's"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:13", "text": "body. We decided to send 8.99 out to"}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "storage area and get some explosives to"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "open the container. EB2 showed up with"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "the leader. Two was extremely polite and"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "asked us to wait. She used the word"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "please several times. In fact, she"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "actually used the English word beg."}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "We backed off and I told EB2 that I"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "wanted our friend's body and we wanted"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "to examine it. Two translated that to"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "the leader. There was a long exchange of"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "words between the two. Finally, two"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "seemed very frustrated told us that the"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "leader would like us to go to another"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "location and speak with another Eban, a"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "doctor about the body of 308."}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "Two explained that everything we wanted"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "to know about 308's body would be"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "explained to us by the even doctor who"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "two said spoke English. I told two that"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "I would leave 8.99 and 754 here to guard"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "the body and I would take the others to"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "the location containing the doctor. Two"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "translated that to the leader again."}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "There was a long drawn out exchange of"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "words between the two. It lasted for"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "several minutes. Finally, two stated"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "that the leader would like all of us to"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "leave this building and go visit with"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "the doctor. I told two, \"No, I would not"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "leave the body of 308 alone.\" I felt"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "that this was going to be a"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "confrontation. I told 518 and 420 to go"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "back, obtain our handguns, and come back"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "ASAP."}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "I was not going to allow the Eban to"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "countermand my decisions. When EB2 heard"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "this, she told me to wait, placed her"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "hand against my chest. I told her to"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "translate that to the leader again."}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "There were several minutes of word"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "exchanges between the two. Two then"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "stated that the leader would bring us"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "the doctor here to discuss the situation"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "with us. Two asked me to please stop."}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "Don't send your men for guns. Guns are"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "not needed. We can settle this without"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "guns. Please don't. I told two that we"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "would not get the guns, but we would not"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "leave until we saw 308's body. The"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "leader did something with the"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "communication device on his belt."}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "About 20 minutes later, three Ebans"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "showed up inside the building. One of"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "the Ebans identified himself as a doctor"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "and spoke very good English. The doctor"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "had a strange sounding voice, almost"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "like a human's voice. The doctor did not"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "have a high-pitched accent, like one and"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "two. I was very impressed with this"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "doctor. I just wonder where he's been"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "for the past 18 months."}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "Never saw him before. This doctor told"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "us the 308's body was not inside the"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "container. The Ebans have done"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "experiments with 308's body because they"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "considered it an honor to have such a"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "specimen to work with. The doctor told"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "us that they used 308's body to create a"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "type of cloned human being. I stopped"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "the doctor at this point. I told the"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "doctor that the body of the teammate was"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "a property of the United States of"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "America."}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "Planet Earth."}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "The body did not belong to the Ebans. I"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "did not authorize any experiments on the"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "body of 308. I explained that humans"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "consider a body to be religious."}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "Only I could have authorized the use of"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "308's body for experiments. I demanded"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "to see the body. The doctor explained"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "the body was gone."}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "This doctor said all the blood body"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "organs were taken out and used to clone"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "other beings. The use of the word beings"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "really scared me and the others. 899"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "became extremely angry. He called the"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "doctors curse names. I ordered 899 to be"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "quiet. I then told 203 to take 899 out"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "of the building. I realized this matter"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "could really blossom into a major"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "incident. I could not allow that to"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "happen. There were just 11 of us and we"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "realized that if the Evens wanted to"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "imprison us or kill us, they could do it"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "very easily."}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "But I didn't think the Ebans would"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "resort to such behavior."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "I was not going to allow the incident to"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "advance into something worse."}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:08", "text": "I realized there wasn't much we could do"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "about what the Ebans have done with"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "308's body."}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "Again, I reiterate."}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "Boohoo. All right. How many of these"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "bodies have we torn apart, right? But"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "this guy probably doesn't know that by"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "now. And this is the 60s and he is"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "perhaps, you know, somewhat of a"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "religious fellow."}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:31", "text": "EB2 looked very upset. Two told me that"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "everyone should be nice. She repeated"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "the word nice many times. Two did not"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "want this matter to escalate."}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "I kind of felt sorry for two. She was"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "trying to mediate the matter. 203"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "suggested we return to our living"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "quarters and have a meeting. I told the"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "leader that I did not want any further"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "interference between whatever is left of"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "308's body and experiments. I pointed my"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "finger towards the leader's face. Two"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "translated along with the doctor. The"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "doctor who is extremely straightforward"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "told me that nothing further would"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "happen with the body, but advised me"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "very little was left of the body. Two"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:08", "text": "then told me the leader was concerned"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "that we were upset,"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "that we were their guests,"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "that the leader was upset that we were"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "offended. The leader did not wish to"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "upset us and promised that nothing"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "further would happen to the body. I"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "thanked too and had her relay that to"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "the leader. We returned to our huts."}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "Everyone was upset, especially 8.99. I"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "told each member to calm down. I"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "explained our situation as if each team"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "member didn't already realize it. That"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "we were only 11 military personnel. We"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "had no way of fighting the Ebans. We did"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "not come 40 light years to start a war"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "with the Ebans. A war we could not win."}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "We could not even win a simple fist"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "fight with these Ebans. Yes, maybe we"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "could beat them up, but what then?"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "We have to realize that our situation"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "and act accordingly. I ordered each"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "member to reconsider the situation and"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "to accept the facts about 308's body. I"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "told 633 and 700 to investigate the"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "cloning procedure with the"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "English-speaking Eban doctor. Let's get"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "all the facts about what they did with"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "the body and what we can find out about"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "the body and the Eban's experiments with"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "the body."}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "Bit of a dramatic turn here. I liked how"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "they were like, \"What do you mean we"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "just took the body apart and cloned it?\""}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "I hope that's fine. Um, again, we"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "probably ended up doing the same thing."}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "It is funny how"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:42", "text": "primitive"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "our hip check sort of reactions are"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:46", "text": "in comparison to their culture. Like"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "immediately he's like, \"Get my gun. Go"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "get my gun.\" And the Ebans are like,"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "\"Whoa, whoa, hold on.\" like we didn't"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "want to, you know, upset you or make you"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "angry. Um, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "but, you know, immediately"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "we don't even resort to like anything"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "other than get my gun,"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "that body's American, you're in"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "violation. Um,"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "sounds about right. All right. A brave"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "new world."}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "The trip to Serpo was our traumatic"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "introduction to the world that Aldis"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "Huxley had prophetically anticipated. 33"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "years earlier in 1932 in his classic"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "novel Brave New World. Even 20 years"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "before James Watson, Francis Crick, and"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "Maurice Wilkins have solved the riddle"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "of how human traits are passed from"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "generation to generation with a"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "discovery of DNA molecule, Huxley could"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "see where it was all leading. A synopsis"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "of the book in Master Plots edited by"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "Frank N. McIll says, \"Human beings were"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "turned out by mass production. The"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:52", "text": "entire process from the fertilization of"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "the egg to the birth of the baby was"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "carried out by trained workers and"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "machines. Each fertilized egg was placed"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "in solution in a large bottle for"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "scientific development into whatever"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "class in society the human was intended."}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "As early as 1943, Nazi horror doctor"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "Joseph Mangal uh the so-called angel of"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "death was already studying identical"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "twins at Awitz to learn how to clone"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "human beings. By the time the team left"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "Earth in 1965, DNA was well understood"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "by science and the team scientists"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "should have been aware of it, especially"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "since Watson, Crick, and Wilkins had won"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "the Nobel Prize in physiology of"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "medicine in 1962."}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "Also, by that time, [music] there were"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "reports leaking from top secret circles"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "that some of the gray aliens who had"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "been abducting humans were creating a"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "hybrid human alien race using"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "sophisticated genetic procedures,"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "although the books on this subject by"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "Bud Hopkins and John Mack were yet to be"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "written. Furthermore, it was believed"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "that the grays themselves were clones."}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "So the concept of human or alien cloning"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "should not have been totally foreign to"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "the doctors of scientists on that team."}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "And yet they were shocked by the fact"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "that the Ebans considered the body of"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "308 a great prize for their"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "crossbreeding experiments. This was"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "their rude introduction to a brave new"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "world of genetic engineering. But bigger"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": "shocks"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "were yet to come."}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:30", "text": "Um, the Eben Genetic Laboratory. Here we"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "go. The team commander continues the"}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "story in his diary."}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "Two came to the hut. I told two and 633"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "and 700 we're going to examine what was"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "left of 308's body. They would also"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "conduct research into the Eban's"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "experiments done on 308's body. Two look"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "very concerned."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "It is sometimes difficult for us, even"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "after the time that we have been on this"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "planet, to determine the meaning of"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "facial expressions on Anban's face. Two"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "replied that she must first obtain"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "approval. Approval was a new word for"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "two. She was reading or learning our"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "language."}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "Maybe she's just picking up her words. I"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "told two that she can go get permission,"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:11", "text": "but that we were told when we arrived"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "that we did not have any restrictions on"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "where we went. Two said she would speak"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "with the leader."}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "633 and 700 gathered test equipment and"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "prepared themselves for the examination"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "of the Eban laboratory. According to our"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "time devices, two came back in about 80"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "minutes later. Two said it was all right"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "for my men to visit their laboratory. I"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "decided that I would also visit it."}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "Myself 633 700 were escorted by EBE2 to"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "the laboratory facility."}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "We had to be taken by Hela transport"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "service"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "as we call their helicopters. It took us"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "some time before arriving at this"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "location. According to our compass"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "readings, which are not really a compass"}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "reading, but we made points of"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:59", "text": "references, and according to them, we"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "traveled north. The facility was large"}, {"start": "01:05:59", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "by Eban standards. The buildings looked"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:07", "text": "like a large singlestory windowless"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "school. We landed on the roof, or maybe"}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "just the landing zone on the roof."}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "We were escorted down a walkway or ramp."}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "They don't have ladders on this planet."}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "I think I wrote about this in one of my"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "past entries. They have ramps."}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "We arrived in a room, white walls. We"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "then walked through a hallway into"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "another larger room. We met our"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "English-speaking doctor. We saw many"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "other Ebans all dressed in a bluish"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "colored one-piece suit, different from"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "their ordinary suits I spoke of in past"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "entries."}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "The doctor told us all the experiments"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "are done inside this building. He didn't"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "call it a laboratory, just a building."}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "It's done to create clone beings. We"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "were led into another room where there"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "were rolls of containers looking like"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "glass bathtubs."}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "Inside each bathtub were bodies."}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:04", "text": "I was shocked as were 700 and 754."}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "This is this is kind of crazy because"}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "now"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:11", "text": "this is something that comes up over and"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:15", "text": "over and over and over in abduction"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "cases. Um I'm reminded of Eric Nansteel,"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "someone that I interviewed that he was"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:22", "text": "also shown these vats with these"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "floating babies. Um, if you think back"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "to Betty Andreas's uh accounts, she was"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "also shown these vats with these, you"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "know, fetuses and aliens and human"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "bodies inside these glass containers"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "filled with liquid. Uh, not unlike the"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "scene in the Matrix, you know, when"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "people wake up from the Matrix in uh in"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "in the real world uh where they're sort"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "of in grown in these Yeah. in these"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "vats. Um, so it's interesting to get a"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "peak behind the curtain here at,"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "you know, a lot of times we get to see"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "it on board or we get to hear about it"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "on board, but literally they've got this"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "going on in their home planets as well."}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "Hideous looking creatures,"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "bodies, strange looking bodies."}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:09", "text": "Not human bodies, at least not all of"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "them. We started walking down the space"}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:13", "text": "between the tubs. We looked into the"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "tubs."}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "These were hideous looking creatures. I"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "asked the doctor what type of creatures"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "were inside these tubs. The doctor told"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "us that these creatures came from other"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "planets. 700 asked the doctor, \"Were"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "these creatures dead when they arrived"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "or did the Ebans bring them here dead?\""}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "The doctor said all the creatures were"}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "brought to the planet alive. 700 asked"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "if the creatures were kidnapped or"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:40", "text": "brought here against their wills or"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "their wishes. The doctor was not sure of"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "the word kidnapped. The doctor seemed"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "puzzled. The doctor asked about the"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "question. 700 said that these creatures"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "were taken from another planet and"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:54", "text": "brought to Serpo without permission from"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "them or their leaders of their planet."}, {"start": "01:08:54", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "The doctor said that these beings were"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "brought here for experiments. These"}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "creatures are not intelligent beings."}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "Two then used the word animals. Okay,"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "now I understand. All these creatures"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:10", "text": "are animals from other planets. The"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "doctor didn't seem to understand the"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "word animal. Two and the doctor"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "exchanged words in Eban and the doctor"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "said yes, they are animals. I then asked"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "if there are any intelligent creatures"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "in this building. The doctor said yes,"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "but all of them were dead when they"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:29", "text": "arrived on Serpo. 700 asked to see these"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "creatures. The doctor corrected 700s by"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:33", "text": "saying beings."}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "Okay, I guess creatures are animals and"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "beings are like humans."}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "Let me first write down the description"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "of these creatures inside these tubs."}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "They were not all alike. The first"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "creature I see inside the tub look like"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:49", "text": "a porcupine. It appears to have a tube"}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "placed inside of it. The tube leads to a"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "box underneath the tub."}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "The second creature I see looks like a"}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "sea monster. Has a large head, big deep"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:01", "text": "set eyes, no ears, a mouth, but no"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:05", "text": "teeth. It's about 5t long and has two"}, {"start": "01:10:01", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "lower legs but no feet. It has two arms,"}, {"start": "01:10:05", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "but it doesn't appear to have any"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:10", "text": "elbows."}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:12", "text": "It has hands, but no fingers. The"}, {"start": "01:10:10", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "creature also has a tube going through"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "it. The next creature looks like nothing"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "I can compare to. It has blood red skin,"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "two spots in the middle, maybe eyes, no"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "arms or legs, very strange odor. The"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "skin appeared to be blotchy with scales,"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "maybe like a fish. Maybe it is a fish."}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "The next creature was humanlike, but the"}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "skin was white. Not skin white, the"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "color white. The skin was wrinkled. The"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:45", "text": "head was large. Two eyes, two ears, and"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "a mouth. The neck was very small. The"}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "head almost looked as if it sat on the"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "lower torso."}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "The chest is thin with large bone-like"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "protrusions. The arms were curled with"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "the hands, but no thumbs."}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "The legs are also curled with the feet,"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "but only three toes. I couldn't look at"}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "any more creatures. Oh, like a"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "tridactyl."}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "Interesting."}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:14", "text": "Interestinger and interesting. Here we"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "go. I saw the dark side of this"}, {"start": "01:11:14", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "civilization."}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:21", "text": "We walked down another hallway, through"}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "a room, down a ramp, into another room."}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "We came into a room that looked like a"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "hospital room. There were many beds or"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "at least some type of bed, Eban style"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "bed. I described them before and each"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "bed was a living being as the doctor"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "called it. The doctor told us that each"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "being was alive and well cared for. 700"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "asked the doctor if these beings were"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "all ill or sick. EB2 had to translate"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "that, but the doctor said, \"No, they are"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "being lived.\" Three of us, 102, 754, and"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "700, seemed really stunned by that word"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "lived. I asked two what the doctor"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "meant. Two exchanged words with the"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "doctor. Two then used the word grown."}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "700 asked the doctor if these were the"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "clone beings that he'd mentioned before."}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "The doctor said yes, that each being was"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "being grown, using the same word as two"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "just used."}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "754 asked the doctor if these beings"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "were being grown like a plant. The"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "doctor said, \"Yes, that is a good"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "comparison.\""}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:28", "text": "700 asked the doctor how they are grown."}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "The doctor said that certain parts of"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "their beings were used to grow these"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "beings. The doctor said that he could"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "not explain the process in English"}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "because he didn't know the words. 700"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "then asked two if she could explain the"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "growing process, and two said she did"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "not know the English words. Two said"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:48", "text": "that parts of the blood and other organs"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "are used to mix a substance that is"}, {"start": "01:12:48", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "placed inside the bodies of these"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "beings."}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "That was all two could explain in"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "English. I told 700 to go back and get"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "420 and bring them back. While we waited"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "for 420, we looked at these beings. They"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "were breathing. They looked like humans,"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "most of them. Two of the beings on the"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "end looked like humans with dog heads."}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "These beings were not awake. They were"}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "either sleeping or drugged. 420"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:19", "text": "returned."}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "420 then spoke with two. 420 is really"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "good. However long we have been here,"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "some guess about 18 months Earth time."}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:29", "text": "420 learned the language. Well, 420 then"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "said that the growing process involved"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "cells taken from other beings grown and"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "mixed with chemicals and then inserted"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:40", "text": "into the bodies of other beings."}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "That was about all he could explain. 420"}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "did not know the words EBE2 used but the"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:49", "text": "word cells were used. Two then told me"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "that some things were taken from inside"}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "the cells. 7754 then asked if the items"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "taken from inside the cells were cell"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "membranes or identification markers for"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "the cells."}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:04", "text": "EB2 translated that to the doctor. Both"}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:06", "text": "seemed confused and they said they could"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "not explain the process because they did"}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:10", "text": "not know the English words for it. 700"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:12", "text": "used the word advanced biological"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "extraction of the cell membranes, but"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:18", "text": "neither two or the doctor knew anything"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "about that process. I asked 754 if he"}, {"start": "01:14:18", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "might understand what they were doing."}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "He said the human cell contains smaller"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "substances that can identify the"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "structure with the membranes of the"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "cell. This isn't something that Earth"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "technology has advanced. Uh but 754 has"}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "read about it prior to leaving. But 754"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "doesn't think that Earth technology can"}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "be used to grow living cells into what"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "the Ebans have done. The Eanss must have"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:46", "text": "found a way to grow cells and to make"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "them into living beings. 7754 said"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "nothing like this is known on Earth. I"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "then asked the doctor of 308's body was"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:57", "text": "used to create a being. The doctor said"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "yes"}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "and showed us the being."}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "I was shocked"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "as was 7754."}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "This being with our teammates blood and"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "cells looked like a large eben, but the"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "hands and legs were similar to humans."}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "How could they have grown this being so"}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "quick? Obviously, this is well above our"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "intelligence. I saw all I wanted to see."}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "I told the doctor that we would like to"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "leave. Two saw that I was upset and"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "touched my hand. Instantly, I felt"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:32", "text": "concerned. Two was really concerned"}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "about what I saw. Two said, \"We leave.\""}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "We traveled outside this building, a"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "building that I did not wish to see"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "again. I saw the dark side of this"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "civilization. The Ebans are not a humane"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "civilization we thought they were. But I"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:49", "text": "must say, they didn't hide anything."}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "The doctors spoke straight to us, just"}, {"start": "01:15:49", "end": "01:15:53", "text": "like the Ebans. They don't know how to"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "lie."}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "Seeing what we saw will change our"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "impression of the Ebans as long as we"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "stay on this planet."}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:03", "text": "The two doctors, 700 and 754, were"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:05", "text": "beginning to understand what was going"}, {"start": "01:16:03", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "on when they asked if the items taken"}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "from inside the cells were cell"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "membranes or identification markers for"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "the cells. And then when 754"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "said that human cells contain smaller"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "substances that can identify the"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "structure with the membrane of the cell,"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "he was describing DNA without being"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "aware of it. The commander goes on to"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "say, \"This isn't something that Earth"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "technology has advanced to, but 754 has"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "read about it prior to leaving.\" The"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "doctor basically understood what was"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "happening, but DNA biotechnology on"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "Earth was not yet being used to"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "duplicate living beings or grow organs."}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "They must have obtained quick education"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "about this when they saw the hybrid"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "creature that had been created using"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "308's DNA."}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "Evidently, the Ebans have the same"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:56", "text": "capabilities as the Grays. Their ongoing"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:59", "text": "alien genetic engineering program has"}, {"start": "01:16:56", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "been proceeding since the 1950s in"}, {"start": "01:16:59", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "underground laboratories such as Doulce"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "in New Mexico. Various whistleblowers"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "have reported seeing the genetically"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:11", "text": "engineered quote unquote freaks in these"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "locations. We have no doubt learned a"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "lot from these alien experiments. And"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "now with our well-developed DNA"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "knowledge, we basically understand at"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "least theoretically what the Ebans and"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "Grays are doing. Whether or not we have"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "attempted to duplicate any of their"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "monstrous experiments is of course"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "unknown. That may be one reason for the"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:33", "text": "continuing secrecy."}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "This is true. This is true. You know,"}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "you think about Dolly, right, the clone"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "sheep. Not too long afterwards, you had"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:44", "text": "the aliens, this uh cult. actually not"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "too far from here in the province of"}, {"start": "01:17:44", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "Quebec"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "uh that you know was"}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "apparently in front of a congressional"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "hearing as well testified that they uh"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "can clone a human. But you got to think"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:03", "text": "if we success like we currently today"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "are cloning animals. That is a fact. You"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "can buy a you can have your dog or cat"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "cloned. Say you really love your cat or"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "you really love your dog. There are"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "services today that you can pay for cost"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "about 30 grand and they will clone your"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "animal multiple times because sometimes"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "the clones don't take and you'll get to"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "take one home and it'll be"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "physiologically identical."}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:33", "text": "Will it be your pet? Of course not. We"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "know this. But it will be the shell of"}, {"start": "01:18:33", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "your pet. Exactly. And so we have that"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "technology. To think that somewhere"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "in some privatized lab all humans across"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "the world have agreed collectively not"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "to clone humans is preposterous. Like"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "we've all been like no we'll build nukes"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "and you know we'll think of the worst"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "possible virus that we can you know sort"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "of conene in a laboratory."}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:08", "text": "We will also make the most potent"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "poisons"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "and mustard gases and we will experiment"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "with all sorts of the most horrendous"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:20", "text": "horrific weaponry that money and AI can"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "put together. But cloning another"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:25", "text": "person, that's just too far for us. I"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "don't believe it. I don't believe that"}, {"start": "01:19:25", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "we would stop at simply cloning an"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "animal and never consider,"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:37", "text": "you know, if you're doing these black"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:39", "text": "budget programs, trillions of dollars,"}, {"start": "01:19:37", "end": "01:19:42", "text": "of course they clone people. Of course"}, {"start": "01:19:39", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "they've tried."}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "And if we haven't, our adversaries have,"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "it's kind of wild to think about, isn't"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "Like, why haven't we seen a human clone"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "yet? Oh, because we all agreed to follow"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "the rules for cloning. What? And follow"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "the rules for anything else."}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "We're continuously lying about"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "everything. But yet, like that's the one"}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:08", "text": "line we're not going to cross. I don't"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "think so. But interesting. I You know"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "what? I kind of appreciate I'll be"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "honest. This is a this is an off the"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "sticks this is an off the sticks moment."}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "I kind of really appreciate the uh the"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "earnestness of these Ebans and how"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "they don't lie. They're just and they do"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "have emotion. It seems like EBE2 at"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "least has emotion."}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "Um they just have this insanely"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "high"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "uh level of sort of logical proceduring."}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "like they they all they all they know"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "how to do is just like be logical"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:50", "text": "and they don't understand anything that"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "is illogical"}, {"start": "01:20:50", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "and uh that is kind of neat."}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "But they do seem and although they do"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "have like individual personalities,"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:04", "text": "there is a sense of hivemindedness that"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "they adhere to. You know, when you talk"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:08", "text": "about the clock that tells them what to"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "do every day or just like Yeah, they're"}, {"start": "01:21:08", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "and maybe that's what they need to make"}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "a cohesive society. Maybe they figured"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "that out. 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You know, we have"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "so many different religions on this"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "planet. doesn't seem like they've even"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "addressed the religious thing yet, which"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:45", "text": "you'd think that that would be one of"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "the first things they talk about, you"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "know, being in the 60s, like, hey, who's"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "your god? You guys worship Jesus here?"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "You know what I mean? I don't know."}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "Interesting. Nonetheless, this is a very"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "interesting and compelling story. I am"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "in I do want to see what happens with"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "the further development of the Eban"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:07", "text": "relationship uh visav our skipper our"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "commander."}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "Yeah. What are your thoughts? Anything"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "in here stand out to you as particularly"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "interesting, intriguing or you know"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "somewhat revoly? Please let me know in"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "the comments below. I'd be very curious"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "to read something that I've missed. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "and I'll be sure to mention it on the"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:29", "text": "next video. Folks, I appreciate your"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "time. I appreciate you being here with"}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "me on this very silly, extremely out"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "there adventure. Uh, but I look forward"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:41", "text": "to the next installment of the secret"}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "journey to planet Serpo."}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "Peace and love."}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:54", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "This alien is not AI. And in fact,"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "moving forward, I will no longer be"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "using AI generative imaging on this"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "channel. Goodbye slop. Hello props."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "So, while I tell you what's changing in"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "the videos, which analog tools we'll be"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "using to help tell these stories, and"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "most importantly, why uh which isn't"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "what you think. I'll be taking you"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "through my studio and showing you things"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "only podcast guests have ever seen. And"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "stay tuned to the end of the video where"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "I will share my most prized and valuable"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "piece of UFO ephemera."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "So before I talk to you about why, let"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "me tell you about what's changing on the"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "channel. And it's very simple. No more"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "generative AI imaging. meaning we're not"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "going to be using any photos or videos"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "made by AI. That being said, I don't"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "necessarily have a problem with AI. I"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "use it for research. 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AI"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "really isn't helping that cause for a"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "lot of people. Now, I know some of the"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "younger generation might think, well,"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "they can detect slop a mile away, but I"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "think a lot of people are also"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "understanding that we're getting to that"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "point where we're not going to be able"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "to tell the difference. 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And to"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "tell you about it, I'm going to take you"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "to a brand new set that we have just"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "built. And I will also show you the prop"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "that I was talking about. And so if you"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "will folks, please join me in the"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "archive."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "Now, to tell you about how we're going"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "to go about replacing AI generative"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "imaging in these videos. And to do that,"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "we're going to need a lot of help. some"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "of your help actually. So, I reached out"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "to the community and I'm currently"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "working with about close to a dozen"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "artists right now that are handdrawing,"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "painting, and sketching a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "scenes that are going to depict some of"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "the upcoming episodes. And we will use"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "those sketches to cut away to. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "instead of generating images through AI,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "we're generating images by human"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "illustrators. We're also going to be"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "using a lot of costumes, a lot of props."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "We're going to hire actors and we will"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "also use a lot of the archival stuff"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "that you see around me. This isn't just"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "filler props, although it looks great."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Um, these are actual videos and reels uh"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "that we've had digitized that we'll be"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "able to cut to. And we're also going to"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "use some of it, whether it's the"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "microfich back here or the 16 mm reel."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "We've also been going through the entire"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "archives of magazines that I have, page"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "by page, painstakingly b-rolling every"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "illustration and title that we can find"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "that'll help tell the stories. Point is,"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "I kind of want to do away with using the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "generated imagery. I think that where"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "this channel is going, and I think that"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "the skill set that the people who work"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "with me have far exceeds whatever prompt"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "we could come up with. And I think all"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "of that is really stifling our"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "creativity. And by making this switch,"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "not only can we challenge ourselves to"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "create better content, but we can also"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "enlist the help of a lot of amazing"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "artists that will end up showcasing"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "here, who by the way will be paid for"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "their work. And you will find all of"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "their information in the descriptions"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "and on screen when I feature some of"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "their art. But no hard feelings honestly"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "for people who do use AI, whether it's"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "generated imagery or whether it's vibe"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "coding an app. You do you. I have no"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "problem with it. Uh, the reason we're"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "doing it is purely out of selfish"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "creative expression and hopefully that"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "translates through these videos and"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "hopefully that inspires creators out"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "there to perhaps do the same. And if it"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "doesn't, that's cool, too. But we'll be"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "over here filming silly stuff in silly"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "costumes, using a bunch of silly props,"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "and enlisting the help of our community."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "So, if you do enjoy this and you want to"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "encourage us, um, simply like this"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "video, subscribe, comment below, and"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "head over to our Discord channel. In our"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "Discord channel, we have a subsection"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "that is devoted entirely to art from our"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "community. And it is there that a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "the artists have submitted their work in"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "order to be chosen to help with this"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "channel. So if you want to submit your"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "art, whether it's props, whether it's"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "paintings, drawings, even digital art,"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "which we will not be using for this, but"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "we might be using, you know, for"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "products, who knows? Go ahead and share"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "your art over there in our Discord. Um,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "it's open to everybody. And yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "it for this week. So next week, stay"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "tuned for another video and we'll see"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "you then. I almost forgot."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "My coveted and most prized possession in"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "terms of UFO ephemera."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "This folks comes straight from the"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "archive of Wendell Stevens himself, a"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "famed researcher who's written a lot of"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "books on the UFO topics and studied a"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "lot of contact cases. Well, a lot of his"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "original photos of UFOs came up at an"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "auction and I got a whole bunch of them."}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "And so I'll show you a few of them, but"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "a lot of these will be used in upcoming"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "investigations. So this one from 1942,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "uh, actually purchased from a Japanese"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "general in China. You can see a UFO"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "there. There's even a guy pointing to"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "the UFO."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "You can see some of the writing here,"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "possibly from Wendell Stevens himself."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "This one was Amorei Rivera, the original"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Amorei Rivera photos of an F-14"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "seemingly chasing"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "a flying disc."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "Then we go to Albuquerque, New Mexico in"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "1965."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "A disc standing up on its side. And then"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "over here, just kind of turning around."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Now we go to Honolulu, Hawaii. A very"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "famous photo of a UFO here caught in the"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "sky. Just wild. Kfax, Wisconsin. Mark"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "coal train. Look at this one."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "Now again, a lot of these could be"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "hoaxed. They could be fake. Some of"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "these have incredible stories that go"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "along with them, which is what I'm very"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "interested in, such as William J."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "Herman, otherwise known as Bill Herman's"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "UFO photos. Some of the most stunning"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "UFO photos I've ever come across. These"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "are absolutely beautiful and really hope"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "they're real, but who knows?"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "Santa Fe, Argentina. Another UFO tilted"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "to the side here. And the list goes on"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "and on. This book is filled with"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "original UFO photos that we'll be using"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "as well in a lot of the videos that we"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "cover."}]

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So"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "there's no way that the light could have"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "been from a car or anything like that."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "And I found her early in the morning in"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "a fetal position on the couch. uh"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "crying."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "We were never allowed to discuss it or"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "bring it up uh because it made her"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "uncomfortable. And then 68 years later"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "when I was potty training my little"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "daughter, uh she suddenly said, \"Dad,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "are spaceship monsters real?\" And I"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "said, \"Of course not, honey.\" And she"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "said, \"What about the spaceship monsters"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "that take mommy at night?\""}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "another episode of the Area 52 podcast."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "My name is Chris Ramsey and today we're"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "going to be continuing our deep dive and"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "read through of the program known only"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "as Serpo."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "Quick little recap before we get started"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "here. This book basically consists of a"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "bunch of anonymous emails that were sent"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "to a newsletter list, a list of people"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "that were uh in and around, you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "government contracting and intelligence"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "agencies and that type of thing. So, a"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "pretty tight-knit list of people who"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "were interested in the UFO subject. And"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "then this was sent to them. 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You know, this"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "is an extremely"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "fantastical claim that"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "we are not only in communication with"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "extraterrestrials,"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "uh, but that we are indeed preparing"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "allegedly"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "for a manned excursion to their planet"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "and an exchange program that is about to"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "happen between humans and aliens. I"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "don't know if I quite buy it. Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "however, what is fun about this"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "particular story is there is so much"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "overlap between"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "reality and fiction. the places that"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "they're referring to where the you know"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "future I guess astronauts or space"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "fairing humans uh are are being trained"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "are actual places"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "and then there are people who've"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "corroborated as much um via mail back in"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "the '90s. Hey, I used to work there."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Hey, my father worked there and he heard"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "about this program and that type of"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "thing. So, it's actually gaining some"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "foundational support here through many"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "letters and emails that were written to"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "the people putting this together at"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "ono.org back in the day. So, Len Casten"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "put together this book uh pretty much a"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "chronological order of the emails. also"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "a diary, a journal entry from one of the"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "commanders or the commanding officer,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "the captain of the crew and his"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "adventures through space to this planet"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "and back. So, I think that about sets us"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "up for a really interesting read"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "through. I've been dying to get to the"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "rest of this. I haven't read this book."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "This is I'm reading this for the first"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "time with you. We're discovering this"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "together. and we'll poke holes where we"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "must. But I also encourage you guys to"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "check your disbelief of the door for the"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "next hour or so. Let's have some fun."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Let's pretend it's real. Um let's see"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "what sticks, what lands and stretch our"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "imagination out a little bit. And uh you"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "know, you never know what might come of"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "that. Maybe our conviction level"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "skyrockets due to some connection that"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "we've made. Or maybe it plummets due to,"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "you know, the amount of holes we can"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "poke in this story. Folks, leave a like"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "if you do enjoy this content. It is"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "encouraging. It does help the channel."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "Uh leave a comment below if you uh if"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "you want to throw in your two cents. And"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "if you aren't subscribed, go ahead and"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "do so. Also, a quick word from today's"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "sponsors."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "I don't know what happened over the last"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "couple months. It's been a blur. Uh my"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "schedule's basically went off the rails"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "between traveling, uh filming the"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "podcast, the live shows, and then I took"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "vacation and all that and everything"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "else. And I just got into the bad habit"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "of eating whatever was the fastest. And"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "so lately, I've been trying to get back"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "to eating actual meals again. And Factor"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "has made this ridiculously easy. So the"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "meals are ready in about 2 minutes. No"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "prep, no clean up. And even when I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "buried in work at the studio, I can"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "still eat something decent without"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "losing half an hour, running to the"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "store, ordering something. And every"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "week, there's about 100 nutrient-dense"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "menu items and add-ons to choose from,"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "including things like this delicious"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "mozzarella burger and roasted potatoes,"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "which is one of my favorites. So, I've"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "been using Factor on those days where I"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "know that I'm not going to cook, and"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "it's just honestly made things made"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "eating better way easier. And so I use"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "Factor and you should too. So let's eat"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "real folks. 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Need a"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "haircut. Badly. Need badly. Need a"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "haircut. No time for a haircut. We are"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "We're looking into"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "We're looking into Project Serpo. This"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "thing is wild. You know, I haven't been"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "this excited for readrough since I think"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "like the Matilda Mroy stuff or the Lerta"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "Files, but this is right up there. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "like this perfect blend of like fiction"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and non-fiction and and what if."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "Here we go. Chapter 8, folks. The"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "landings."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "In December 1963, Los Alamos received a"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "message from the Eben planet confirming"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "all the details of the landing. The"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "message specified the time, date, and"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "location that had previously been agreed"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "upon. All the numbers were stated using"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "our location, time, and date protocols."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "The message told us that two even"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "spaceships were already on their way and"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "would arrive on schedule."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "We learned later that the journey took"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "about 10 months. 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He was"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "briefed by the mission planners and made"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "the decision to continue with the"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "exchange. Although we are told in a side"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "note by anonymous that the president"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "didn't really believe that it would"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "It is interesting to note here that"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "apparently President Kennedy had not"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "informed then Vice President Johnson"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "about project Crystal Knight, which is"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "the name of the project that we're uh"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "looking into right now. This is"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "surprising because Johnson had been"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "appointed by Kennedy to be head of the"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "space council. Evidently, Kennedy had"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "been told by MJ12 that the project"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "information could not be shared with"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Johnson or with the president's cabinet."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "As the landing date approached, the team"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "was ready and idle and probably enjoying"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "some well-deserved rest and recreation,"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "although they remained under"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "surveillance the whole time. Right?"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "Because in part one we did talk about"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "their identities being erased, their"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "background, their academic paper trails,"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "their everything just completely gone."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Um so that you know nothing would leak,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "which would make sense. If you were"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "doing this, if you were actually, you"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "know, sending people off to another"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "planet, you would probably want to cover"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "your bases. Their training had been"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "completed"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "and they had been given a 15-day"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "vacation. How nice. In the time just"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "before the April landing date, they were"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "sent back to Fort Levenworth in Kansas"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "and were confined in locked cells in the"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "US disciplinary barracks and kept under"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "close watch. This reflected the almost"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "fanatical dedication to secrecy by the"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "planning committee."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "They were simply not taking any chances,"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "no matter how remote that information"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "about the pending mission might be"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "revealed. One can easily appreciate how"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "depressed the team must have been to"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "have been treated like criminals on the"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "eve of what should have been a grand"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "sendoff on a historically momentous and"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "extraordinary journey to the stars. In"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "another time under a different less"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "paranoid government, they might have"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "been sent off to the strains of"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "patriotic music broadcast on the"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "international television and with a"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "cheering crowd in attendance. Yeah. Much"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "like the Aremis 2 mission, you remember"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "how hyped up everybody got? There was"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "parades in their honor. Not for these"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "folks. They're sitting in a cell"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "depressed. How strange. The diplomatic"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "greeting. Okay, here we go. The two"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "alien craft entered our atmosphere on"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "the By the way,"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "they talked about this took 10 months"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "for them to travel here."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "I don't know perturbs me a little bit"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "because and this is just a logical take"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "here if you're traveling in a straight"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "line"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "I understand that like propulsion"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "and you know if you're 39 million lighty"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "years away how fast are you traveling"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "for it to take 10 months you're"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "traveling quite fast speed of light"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "perhaps multiple times the speed of"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "light obviously I mean, if you're"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "traveling at the speed of light, it"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "should take you"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "39 million or 39. Was it 39 light years"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "away? Not 39 million. Did I say 39"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "million lighty years away? Might as well"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "be a billion trillion light years away."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "Doesn't matter. Because if you were"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "traveling at the speed of light, you"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "wouldn't get here in time. So, why did"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "it take them 10 months?"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Did they have to stop and refuel?"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "Were they lost in a wormhole somewhere?"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "You would think that they could just"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "teleport using this wormhole technology"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "or whatever. 10 months is strange and I"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "hope they explain this somehow on the"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "journey to Serpo."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "All right. The two alien craft entered"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "our atmosphere on the afternoon of April"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "24, 1964."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Right on schedule. These were not scout"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "craft, but were much larger and were"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "considered shuttle craft. The first ship"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "missed the rendevu point and landed"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "somewhere near Sakoro, New Mexico."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "This was about a 100 miles north of the"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "planned landing site. We sent a message"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "to the craft that it landed at the wrong"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "place. The second ship picked up the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "message and made the navigation"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "correction. It landed shortly thereafter"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "at the precise designated location at"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "White Sands where a greeting party"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "awaited."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "It can be assumed that it was the late"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "afternoon at this point, although it"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "could have been nighttime as was shown"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "in the movie Close Encounters of the"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Third Kind."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "Since we don't know where Steven"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "Spielberg obtained his information, we"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "don't know how accurate it was, but it"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "was distinctly possible that night had"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "fallen by the time the alien craft had"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "landed, and presumably the planning"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "committee was prepared for a contingency"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "with appropriate lighting as in the"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "movie."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "We are not told what happened to the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "first craft. More than likely, it also"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "flew to the correct location. I love how"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "whoever's writing this thinks they're"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "clever and they're like, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "somewhere in Sakuro on that date there's"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "a craft that went over there.\" Anyways,"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "uh there's a like one of the most famous"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "cases in American history is Lonnie"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "Zamora, the police officer, chasing down"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "this craft that he sees parking and"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "seeing two beings coming out of an"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "egg-shaped craft in Sakura, New Mexico"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "on that very day. You would think that"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "whoever's writing this anonymous letter"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "would have the courtesy of at least"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "acknowledging the fact that"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "that would have been the Lonie Zamora"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "sighting. But he's treating it like he's"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "koi and he doesn't know for you to"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "figure out. That sounds like"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "that sounds a little BS to me. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "to suspend my disbelief. We're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "keep going."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "The greeting group consisted of 16"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "senior government and military"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "officials. Anonymous does not give the"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "identities of these people, but most"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "probably President Johnson was not among"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "them. The 12 team members waited in a"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "bus nearby."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "45 tons of supplies and equipment stood"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "ready to load onto the alien ship."}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "And apparently there's an appendix. It"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "says, \"See appendix 2 for a complete"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "list of all supplies and equipment taken"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "by the team.\" We learn later that the"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "entire cargo was placed on one huge"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "platform evidently made of wood. Okay. A"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "canopy was in place connecting the"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "landing point with the waiting"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "officials. A contingent of Ebans"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "disembarked from the craft and walked"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "under the canopy. Movie cameras and tape"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "recorders were rolling. The Eban"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "official"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "presented us with some technology gifts."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "Anonymous says the Ebans had a crude"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "translator device. It appeared to be"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "some sort of microphone with a readout"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "screen. The senior US official was given"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "one of the devices and the Eben kept the"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "other one. The officials spoke into the"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "device and the screen showed a printed"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "form of the voice message both in Eben"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "and in English language. It was crude"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "and hard to understand everything that"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "was said. Direct translation was also"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "provided by one of the aliens who is"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "designated EBE2."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "This was a female who spoke decent"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "English. She later became an invaluable"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "resource on Serbo."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "All right,"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "we got a lady in the mix."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "Very nice. Uh, the yellow book. EB2"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "presented us with the yellow book. This"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "was a remarkable and generous gift to"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "the people of Earth and clearly"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "demonstrated the aliens wish to become"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "our galactic friends. about the yellow"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "book. Anonymous says"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "it isn't exactly a book. It's a block of"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "material approximately two and a half"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "inches thick and transparent in nature"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "and appearance. The reader looks at the"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "transparent surface and suddenly words"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "and pictures appear."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "It is an endless series of historical"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "studies and photographs of our universe,"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "the even planet and their former home"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "world and other interesting stories"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "about the universe. It also contains a"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "historical story and various accounts"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "about Earth's history and distant past."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "I am one of the very few people who has"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "actually seen the yellow book. As has"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "been commented on by others, it would"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "take a lifetime to read and another"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "lifetime to understand it."}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "Well, lucky you. Aren't you lucky to"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "read the yellow book? We heard about the"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "yellow book. This is otherwise known as"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "the looking glass."}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "However, from what I understand, the"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "looking glass might have been some"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "device to see into the future, not"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "necessarily a historical device. So"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "maybe these are two different things."}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "Maybe I've misunderstood. The yellow"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "book also describes the even involvement"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "with the evolution of human"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "civilizations on Earth. Evidently, as we"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "learned later, there were some"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "controversial claims made in this regard"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "that caused some recipients of the"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "information to doubt the veracity of the"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "material, which brought up the"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "possibility that these claims were"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "intended to accomplish a hidden"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "diplomatic agenda on this subject."}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "Anonymous says the following. If one"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "reads the yellow book and reads between"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "the lines, one would come away with the"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "thought and clear impression that the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "Ebans had something to do with Jesus"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "Christ or possibly Jesus was one of"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "Also, if you look at some events that"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "are shown in the yellow book, remember"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "there are no dates shown in the yellow"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "book, you can connect some incidents"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "such as Fatima, etc. with an even"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "landing."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "Okay, that's interesting. I mean, this"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "also uh"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "tangentially corroborates Bob Lazar's"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "claims about the book that he read,"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "stating that Jesus was indeed a hybrid"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "alien. Also, you know, there there have"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "been reports by um abductees or"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "contactees that they've witnessed seeing"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "a man who fits the description of Jesus"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "on board one of these crafts."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "Interesting, I guess. I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "to make of that."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "We learned later that it was EBE2 who"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "had translated the book into English."}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "Wow. Okay. The Ebans informed us at that"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "time that they had reconsidered the"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "timing of the exchange program and wish"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "to reschedu it for a later date. They"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "preferred to only retrieve the bodies of"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "their dead compatriots on this trip and"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "return to Earth in July of 1965."}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "to accomplish the exchange of personnel."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "This posed an enormous logistical"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "problem for us since all the equipment"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "and supplies would now have to be"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "warehoused somewhere and we would have"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "to keep the team motivated and in a"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "highly secured facility for another"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "year. There were also possible political"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "ramifications that could change our"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "willingness to continue uh with the"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "program if the Johnson administration"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "decided to cancel it."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "The aliens took the bodies of the nine"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "Ebans who had died in the two Roswell"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "crashes as well as the body of EBE1 on"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "board."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "We had performed autopsies on some of"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "the bodies. Uh there's a small appendix"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "here that says in an interview in 2006"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "on Coast to Coast, Linda Molton How"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "reported on a telephone conversation"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "with a man who had uh received a"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "firsthand account of the autopsies of"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "two alien bodies in the late 1940s from"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "a physician who had been in attendance."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "The remains have been kept at Los Alamos"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "Laboratories in a special"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "state-of-the-art cryogenic facility. The"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "visit lasted about 4 hours. The film and"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "audio recordings of the entire event"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "have been stored in a vault at Balling"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "Air Force Base in Washington, DC."}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "Very cool indeed. So, okay, we get the"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "translating alien, some other aliens."}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "They pick up the bodies. They put them"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "on the ship. They say, \"Not now. A"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "little bit later. We're not feeling the"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "vibe right now. We'll be back when when"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "things are This sounds like they're just"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "going to take their bodies and leave and"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "never come back.\" That's what I'd be"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "afraid of."}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "Yeah. I don't know. This all seems a"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "little strange."}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "The exchange."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "The time selected for the return visit"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "was July 16, 1965. It was agreed that"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "this time the landing location would be"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "the northern section of Nevada test"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "site."}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "About this choice, Anonymous says"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "planners did not wish to keep the same"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "location for fear that something might"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "leak. Once again, the extreme security"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "concern becomes evident. The team"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "members were returned to their lockup at"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "Fort Levenworth for one month and then"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "they were sent back to Camp Perryi to"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "hone their original training and learn"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "some new skills. This gave them all, but"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "especially the linguists, a chance to"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "improve their ability to understand and"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "speak the Eben language."}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "The linguists were now able to achieve a"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "passable fluency with the high-pitched"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "singong speech, but the other team"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "members struggled with the bizarre"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "language."}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "Wonder what that sounded."}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "Wonder what it sounds like."}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "It's interesting because the um"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "the was it a molecular biologist or a"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "yeah the biologist regardless on Reddit"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "that had supposedly performed some of"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "these autopsies and then divulged the"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "information of his findings through the"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "Reddit thread had mentioned that the"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "lung sack"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "of these beings resembled those of a"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "bird, which would make sense because it"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "would"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "the size of their brain would require"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "more oxygen like 20% increase and so the"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "lung sacks of a bird are actually better"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "at distributing oxy oxygen throughout"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "the body and so anyways there was this"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "whole explanation but um because of that"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "and because of the way the diaphragm was"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "positioned"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "uh this person who performed the autopsy"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "said that they had no vocal cords but"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "they would be able to produce a"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "high-pitched sound like that of a bird."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "You speak to Whitley Strieber as well,"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "he as well says this. I think Peter"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "Curry as well. There's been multiple"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "reports"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "on the idea that these creatures"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "could communicate vocally, but choose"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "not to and do it telepathically instead."}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "And and that they do so only to I don't"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "know. Um I don't know. I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "maybe if they don't want us hearing"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "something, they'll just communicate it"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "in bird whistle"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "instead of uh telepathically where it"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "could be picked up. I don't know. This"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "is all This is all rather strange."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "I've been using this exact ridge wallet"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "for quite a while. Uh didn't think I'd"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "actually love them as much as I do. I"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "take it everywhere with me. It's been"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "with me on trips, uh, on tour,"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "everywhere, basically. I' I've lost this"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "thing. I've dinged it up. It's still"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "pretty solid. And now Ridge has actually"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "taken the same concept of making"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "something cleaner, smaller, and more"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "useful and applied it to charging. Cuz I"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "don't know if you're like me, but when I"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "travel, you know, I got my phone, my my"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "my headphones, my Apple Watch, and a"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "bunch of other gear. And every one of"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "them wants a different cable for some"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "reason. And the new Ridge 5in-1 travel"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "power bank fixes that. It's got MagSafe"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "wireless charging, an Apple Watch"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "charger, lightning and USBC built right"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "into it, so you can charge multiple"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "devices without carrying a bag full of"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "cables. It's also got 10,000 milliamp"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "hours, which sounds like a lot, so I'm"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "assuming that is a lot. But you've got"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "three full phone charges in your pocket,"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "basically. And if you travel at all,"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "check this thing out. Go to ridge.com"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "and use code area52 for 10% off. One"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "thing to pack, five ways to power. You"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "can find Ridg's power bank at Best Buy"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "or listeners can get 10% off by going to"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "ridge.com and using area 52 at checkout."}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "Um, as before at Camp Perryi, the 12"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "team members remained isolated in their"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "own little community within the larger"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "CIA training facility and did not"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "communicate with anyone other than their"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "trainers. This period coincided with the"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "first year of the Vietnam War in which"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "the CIA special operations group played"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "an important role. So, the camp must"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "have been a very busy place while the"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "team was there. In April 1965, they were"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "sent back to jail again."}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "at Fort Levenworth to wait out the final"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "3 months."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "By this time, they must have begun to"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "feel like real prisoners and probably"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "wondered what strange political concerns"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "could have justified such harsh"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "treatment. It is likely that the T"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "morale must have then reached an"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "all-time low. Although the mounting"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "excitement and anticipation of the"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "rapidly approaching departure date"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "probably helped to offset their"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "depression, the two even shuttles"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "returned right on schedule on July 16,"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "1965."}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "This time they had landed at the"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "northern section of the Nevada test site"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "as planned. The diplomatic nicities uh"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "have been attended to in their previous"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "visit. This was strictly a working"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "meeting. The 12 team members waited in a"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "bus as before, and the military vans"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "were poised to unload their massive"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "cargo consisting of 90,500 lb of"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "supplies, equipment, and vehicles. See"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "appendix 2. And here is a picture that"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "they included of the team aboard the"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "alien ship from Close Encounters of the"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "Third Kind."}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "I think we can safely assume that there"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "had been extensive communications"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "between Los Alamos and Serpo in the"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "intervening year uh to refine the"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "arrangement,"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "but Anonymous makes no reference to"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "this. The team boarded the Eban shuttle"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "craft and the cargo was loaded by"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "military personnel onto one of the"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "craft. The massive size of this ship can"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "be appreciated when we learned that the"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "entire cargo fit into a single level of"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "a three-level craft. The lone Eban"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "ambassador disembarked from the shuttle"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "and was taken away in a military"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "vehicle. He was then sent to the alien"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "facility at Los Alamos Laboratories."}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "So, there was an exchange. I I guess a"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "12 for one was the exchange. Not"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "necessarily in our favor, but beggars"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "can't be choosers. You know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "Sky King takes off for the stars."}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "Understandably,"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "the team had no intention of allowing"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "the rigid protocols of the planners to"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "infect their ranks by referring to each"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "other robotically by three-digit"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "numbers."}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "They quickly adopted suitable nicknames"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "for each other for each member, but"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "never used their real names."}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "Uh they did, however, use the number"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "names for more formal and written"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "communications. The team commander, an"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "Air Force colonel, became Skipper, and"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "two doctors were Doc One and Doc 2, and"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "the pilots were referred to as Sky King"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "and Flash Gordon. Anonymous doesn't"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "supply the other nicknames."}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "A comment sent to the Serpo website in"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "March 2006 points out an interesting"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "reference that adds authenticity to the"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "entire Serpo story. He reminds us that"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "in the golden days of radio, Sky King"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "was a very popular kids series along"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "with The Lone Ranger, The Green Hornet,"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "and many others. Sky King ran on radio"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "from 46 to 54, and then a TV version was"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "produced and shown from 51 to 59. The TV"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "show reruns were telecast on Saturday"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "afternoons up until 1966."}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "So, the show was still on television"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "when the team departed in 1965. The"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "comment uh comment contributor says,"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "\"Most people today have either never"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "heard of Sky King or have long forgotten"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "about him. However, it wouldn't be"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "surprising that a young pilot in 1965"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "would have adopted the nickname of Sky"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "King.\""}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "I'm not sure that that's really"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "corroborative."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "um one can make a quick online search or"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "you know if you were alive back then and"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "you wrote this story you might just"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "reference that. So I don't know a pilot"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "who was about 35 when the mission"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "departed would have been an"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "impressionable teenager in the 50s and"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "probably watched the TV show. If he was"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "40 he probably lay on the living room"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "carpet like millions of other kids of"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "that era glued to the radio when Sky"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "King came over the airwaves. Could that"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "young boy ever in his wildest dreams"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "have imagined that he would one day be"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "among the first Earthlings to depart the"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "Earth to travel to a distant star"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "system? The team commander kept a diary"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "from the first moment of the mission."}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "Anonymous supplied the following account"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "of that first day from that diary."}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "Here for posterity is the skipper's"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "exact entry for those first scary"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "moments of that historic mission."}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "Anonymous doesn't explain the acronyms,"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "but we can be quite certain that the M"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "refers to mission in each case. MTC"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "might be mission training coordinator"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "and MVC is probably the mission voyage"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "coordinator who we find out later does"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "not speak English very well and travels"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "with the team. Consequently, he must be"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "an Eban."}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "Get out of here. They're traveling with"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "an Eban. I suppose they need someone."}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "They need a co-pilot for directions."}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "There is no uh Apple Maps that takes you"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "to Sero apparently. I could just imagine"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "the uh the Eban as the other person is"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "flying the ship like holding the handle"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "and like hitting the invisible brake"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "when he goes too fast. Just being a a"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "backseat driver."}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "Slow down. You're going too fast. The"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "lights green. It's like, thank you."}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "Thank you. I saw the light was I was"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "going to see it eventually. All right, I"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "digress. We go. Day one. By the way, um,"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "if you're going to write a journal, if"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "you're going to journal your little"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "entries every day about, you know, being"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "on an alien ship and going to an alien"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "planet, don't you think that"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "confiscating or not confiscating this"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "journal is a massive oversight? I hope"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "that they clear this up."}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "They've taken all the necessary"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "precautions, but somehow forgot to take"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "this guy's little diary. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "We'll see. Maybe there's an answer for"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "that. Maybe he hid it in his pants. I"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "don't know. All right, day one."}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "We are ready. I got to find a voice for"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "this guy. What does he sound like? Is he"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "like a This is This is uh This is Sky"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "King. No, this is Skipper, the uh the"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "commander. He's got to be stoic. We got"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "to make him stoic."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "We are ready."}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "Hard to think we finally made it."}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "Team is motivated and calm. Final"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "briefing by MTC and MTB cargo packed and"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "EBE craft might have some problems with"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "guns. We'll be talking to the MVC 899"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "security officer and 203 the assistant"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "team commander."}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "We'll have overall charge of weapons. No"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "sync system or we don't know about them."}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "Everything moving smoothly. 700 to 754."}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "The doctors will give each member a"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "final check before boarding. Okay, we"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "loaded everything and it fits."}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "We have to transfer all of it to the"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "bigger ship once we get to the"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "rendevous."}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "Really excited about this. No"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "reservations by anyone. MTC asked all"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "members to make final decision. The team"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "all said go."}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "We go. Interior of EBE craft is big."}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "There are three levels. This is"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "different than the one we trained on. I"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "think that was a scout craft. This one"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "is a shuttle craft. We stored the cargo"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "in lower level. It will sit in the"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "center level. The crew will sit in the"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "upper level. Strange looking walls. They"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "seem to be"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "dimensional."}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "There are three stations. Four of us"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "will sit in each station. No seats, just"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "benches. We wouldn't fit in those small"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "crew seats. The MVC says we don't need"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "anything special. No O2 or helmets."}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "Don't know what to do with them. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "final checks. MTC gave us final words."}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "One prey said, \"We board the EBE craft"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "475 linguist number two. Really nervous."}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "700 will watch him. The hatch is closed."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "No windows. We can't see out. Everyone"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "is seated in their respective seats on"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "the bench. No retention harnesses. Okay."}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "bar across us."}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "The craft is starting engine or what"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "they call energy thrusters."}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "Seems like we are moving but nothing is"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "happening inside. Still able to write"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "Really dizzy now."}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "102 is sitting next to me and he is"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "faint."}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "Something feels really funny."}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "Have to rewrite this because I can't"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "think straight."}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "When the commander says we loaded"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "everything and it fits, it may be the"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "actual loading was done by an Air Force"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "ground crew. Since it doesn't seem"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "appropriate that this highly trained"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "team would be expected to perform such"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "arduous labor, that is loading 90,000 lb"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "of equipment and supplies. Although"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "judging from the way they had been"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "treated thus far, it wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "necessarily be out of the question. In"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "fact, that may very well uh be what"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "happened since a ground crew would have"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "to have very high security clearances."}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "The statement one prey said was probably"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "meant to be one prayer said"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "and would seem to accord with the chapel"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "scene in Close Encounters where the"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "clergyman delivers a final prayer to the"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "team and refers to them as pilgrims."}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "Since the commander says still able to"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "write this, it appears that at this"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "stage his diary was handwritten."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "Although we learn later that the diaries"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "of all other team members were recorded"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "on cassette tape. Eventually the"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "commander also reverted to voice"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "recording. Okay, interesting."}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "And a small little appendix here."}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "Obviously the team commander cannot sit"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "next to himself. He means 203. He has"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "gotten the number wrong. Not surprising"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "since he can't think straight. Okay."}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "Yeah. Fair. Fair enough."}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "And that is chapter 8, the meeting. We"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "learn about the commander. We're"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "starting to understand the psychology of"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "the people aboard. I'm very interested"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "in learning more about these characters,"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "how they're going to integrate, how"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "they're going to"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "cope,"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "whether or not they actually are sitting"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "next to an EBE. That's incredibly"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "concerning and strange. And how this all"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "plays out. So, here we go. Chapter 9,"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "folks. The voyage. Now we learn about"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "interdimensional travel, potentially"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "wormholes, or just straight up linear"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "propulsion."}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "Let's see."}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "In his 11th and 12th emails, Anonymous"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "sent a verbatim description of the"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "entire trip written by the team"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "commander in his diary. So, we have all"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "the details of the team experience from"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "the start of the journey until they"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "landed on Serpo. In this chapter,"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "interspersed with author commentary, we"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "present a firsthand account of this"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "amazing voyage of 40 light years or 400"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "trillion km, 240 trillion miles through"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "interstellar space. It lasted only 10"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "months. That means they traveled at"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "about 40 times the speed of light. It"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "would be impossible to achieve that"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "velocity with any known means of"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "propulsion, no matter how exotic. The"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "only explanation for this is time"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "travel. As we know from the work of"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "Albert Einstein and Herman Mcmanowski,"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "time is the fourth dimension of space."}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "So we must now speak of the space-time"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "continuum. The time dimension is"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "sometimes referred to as the time"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "domain. The Ebans have obviously"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "developed the technology to travel in"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "the time domain. Apparently there are"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "portals to this domain at known points"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "in the cosmos. These are now called"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "wormholes. Cplate 10. Travel through a"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "traversible wormhole is really travel"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "through time and is faster than the"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "speed of light. However, it takes time"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "and precise stellar navigation to get to"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "and from the wormholes."}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "And this accounts for the 10 months. Ah,"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "okay. This makes sense. I like this."}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "We're back. I'm back, baby. The team"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "commander is evidently speaking of"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "travel through the wormhole when he says"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "in his diary, \"We all will feel better"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "once the craft goes out of this time"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "wave,\" as he calls it, referring to an"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "alien. Oh, wow. It was dark, but we"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "could make out wavy lines. Maybe some"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "sort of distortion in time. We must be"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "moving faster than light speed, but we"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "can't see anything out the window."}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "It is very interesting that the"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "commander was able to contemplate the"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "possibility of traveling faster than"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "light speed at that time 1965"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "since scientifically it was considered"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "impossible based on the Einsteinian"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "determinations. Now it is not unusual"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "for sci-fi writers and scientists to"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "speak of superliminal speed. For more"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "information about the even means of"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "propulsion from a DIA scientist in reply"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "to two questions sent into the website"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "see appendix 6. Okay, apparently we have"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "some more detailed explanation of time"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "travel. I would love nothing more than"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "to be enlightened by this DIA physicist."}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "A screaming match. Okay, the secondary"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "entry by the team commander on day one"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "describes the arrival at the rendevous"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "craft, which I will now refer to as the"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "mother ship and the beginning of the"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "actual star voyage. Mother ship is an"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "appropriate designation since we learn"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "later that it carried multiple smaller"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "ships. Day one, entry two. We made it to"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "the rendevous craft."}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "Don't know where they are, but it seemed"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "like we all fainted or were really"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "confused during this trip. According to"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "my wristwatch, it took about 6 hours or"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "maybe more."}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "We left at 13:25"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "and it is 1939,"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "but not sure of the day. We flew into"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "the big ship. We're standing in a bay or"}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "something. There are many EBEs helping"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "us. They seem to understand that we are"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "confused."}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "The cargo was offloaded in one big move."}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "The platform containing the cargo is"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "moved without unloading the individual"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "cargo. The ship looks like the inside of"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "a real big building. Ceiling is about"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "100 ft high in this area of the ship."}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "Okay, we are being moved into another"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "part of the ship. Okay, we moved to"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "another room or area."}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "What a big ship."}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "Just can't describe how big it is. It"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "took us about 15 minutes to walk out of"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "our area."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "Seems like it is something special for"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "us. The chairs are bigger, but there are"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "only 10 of them. Okay, I guess 203 and"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "myself will sit in a different location"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "above these seats."}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "We are moved by some sort of elevator,"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "but I can't understand how it worked."}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "Everyone's hungry. We have our backpacks"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "containing some sea rats and I guess we"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "eat now,"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "but must ask the MVC. Can't find him and"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "I can't communicate with the two EB's"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "He seemed to be real nice. 420 linguist"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "number one. try to use his language"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "skills."}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "Almost funny. Sounds like a screaming"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "match. We just use sign language"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "indicated we wanted to eat. One of the"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "EBE brought us a container with"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "something. Doesn't look good, but I"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "think it's their food. Looks like mush"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "or oatmeal. 899 will taste it. Well, 899"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "said it tastes like paper. Think we'll"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "all stick to Seats. Okay. MVC finally"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "showed up. Told us we begin trip soon."}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "two mills. I think he means minutes,"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "but don't really know."}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to eat"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "before leaving. We don't feel any"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "weightlessness, and we don't feel dizzy."}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "We don't know what to expect from this"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "point on. They are indicating we must"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "sit in the chairs."}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "Okay, I love this. I love all of this."}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "This is amazing. I like this character."}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "I think this is so much fun. The their"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "food being mush. Once again, I will"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "refer to this molecular biologist who uh"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "you know apparently wrote this paper on"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "Reddit uh about the anatomy. If you want"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "to watch that video, by the way, uh I"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "think it's the anatomy of a gray alien"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "on my channel, Gray's Anatomy, if you"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "will. And u they talk about how these"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "how these beings have no teeth. And so"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "whatever they ingest was probably in a"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "liquid form"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "and it was like a high copper content or"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "something like this. Uh but I like the"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "idea of them just eating paperier-mâché"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "that their mush tastes like paper is uh"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "super funny. Someone should really hook"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "them up with like rigetony or something."}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "You know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "or like applesauce. I think they would"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "freak out at applesauce. Um,"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "we learn from this that the Ebans have"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "obviously developed a type of"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "anti-gravity technology that allows them"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "to cancel out the weight of massive"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "objects so that they can be easily"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "pushed into another position."}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "There is no other explanation for how"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "they were able to offload 45 tons of"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "equipment from the shuttle craft to the"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "mother ship so quickly and effortlessly."}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "The diary tells us that this was done in"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "one big move without taking the"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "individual items off the platform. So"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "that means the platform itself was"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "moved. It's surprising that the team"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "commander didn't marvel at that. a"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "platform holding three jeeps, 10"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "motorcycles, six tractors, eight power"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "generators, and much more had to be very"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "large."}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "We learned in the previous chapter uh in"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "the first entry for day one in the team"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "commander's diary that the cargo was"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "loaded onto the Eban shuttle craft by"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "the team itself or by ground crew. In"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "that entry, the team commander said,"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "\"Okay, we loaded everything and it fits,"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "but we have to transfer all of it onto"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "the bigger ship once we get to the"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "rendevous point. We stored the cargo in"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "the lower level. So, it appears that the"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "team loaded all the supplies, equipment,"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "and vehicles directly onto a single"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "movable platform within the first level"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "of the Eben shuttle craft. Because it"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "was all placed on one platform, the"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "Ebans were able to just move the loaded"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "platform onto the mother ship. This is"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "very interesting. There is a case I"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "believe this was brought forward in the"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "in one of the Steven Greer"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "uh press conferences that he did for"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "like the World Press Association or the"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "National Press Club or whatever it was"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "uh where he had whistleblowers come"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "forward. And then there was one where"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "there was this contractor that was taken"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "I believe in Nevada to an underground"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "facility like bag over the head, guns in"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "the back of the head, don't look up type"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "deal. and they were walking through this"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "underground facility when he looked up"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "and he saw this large sort of obelisk"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "stone being levitated."}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:53", "text": ">> This monolithic slab that if I had to"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "estimate would be well over 100 tons."}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "Absolutely nothing holding it up. You"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "can see by the picture there's another"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "boulder directly behind it. It was flat"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "on the ground. There were two other"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "people beside it. I could only see hills"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "and feet. To the right you could see"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "what looked like a boulder. And all"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "three of these that I could tell had"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "this box on top that was black with"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "spires that came off and I couldn't tell"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "where it was connected, but it obviously"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "had something to do with the levitation."}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "The one to the right was being spun by"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "the personnel that you could see in the"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "picture."}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:27", "text": ">> And so that would uh make a lot of"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "sense. These entries in the skipper"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "diary settle once and for all all the"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "speculation about how the pyramids of"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "Egypt, Stonehenge, and all the other"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "massive ancient megalithic"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "archaeological sites were built. C plate"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "11. If the Ebans have this weightless"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "technology, we can reasonably assume"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "that it is commonly used throughout the"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "galaxy and that the ancient astronauts"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "all knew about it. The big question now"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "is, was the secret shared with us? If"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "so, that means that we have probably had"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "this capability since 1965. It"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "absolutely boggles the mind to realize"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "what this could mean to our earthly"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "industries if this technology was given"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "to them. Certainly, we could do away"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "with cranes uh and skyscrapers can be"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "built in about half the time. The"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "building materials could be floated up"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "to each floor in minutes. We could"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "conceivably uh have floating towns and"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "cities. Vehicles would no longer lead"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "roadways and could zip along above the"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "streets. If this information lies buried"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "somewhere in the Air Force vaults, then"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "we can begin to appreciate the magnitude"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "of the social, technological, and"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "industrial revolutions that will occur"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "once these secrets are revealed."}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "You know, one thing that's occurred to"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "me is like if we if we talk about having"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "these floating cities or cars like the"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "Jetson sort of, you know, uh floating"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "around, um car accidents would be far"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "more uh catastrophic."}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "Could you imagine you're on your way to"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "school and just like somebody throws an"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "apple out of the window or something?"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "All the little things that we experience"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "driving, those aren't going away once"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "we're in the air. They're probably just"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "going to get worse."}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "I think that's a big issue, too. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "something we think about after we get"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "floating cars. Okay, we really felt"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "dizzy. The team suffered considerable"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "discomfort during the first part of the"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "journey as described in the team"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "commander day two entry. Here we go. Day"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "two."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "I'm not sure just how long we were in"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "the containers. We sat in the chairs and"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "a clear container was placed over us and"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "the chair. We were isolated in this"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "bubble or sphere. We could breathe."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "Okay. Could see out, but we really felt"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "dizzy and confused."}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "I think I fell asleep or fainted. I"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "think this is another day, but my watch"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "says 1 hour since we sat, but I think it"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "is the next day. Our time instruments"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "are located in our backpacks which are"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "stored in another area of this room."}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "We are still in these spheres, but it"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "seems okay. Well, 899 figured out how to"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "get out because he's standing up. He"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "opened my sphere."}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "Not sure if we should be out of this"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "thing. 899 said that an EBE came in and"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "looked at us and left. Other team"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "members sleeping, 899 and myself walking"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "around this room. I retrieved the time"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "instruments. Seems like we have been"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "traveling for about 24 hours or so. No"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "windows to see. Originally, we were told"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "that it would take about 270 of our"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "days. Okay."}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "Ebe came in and pointed to the chairs."}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "Guess we need to go back and get into"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "I dreamt of Earth. The following entry"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "in the team commander's diary has no day"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "associated with it and seems to be"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "another description of day two since it"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "gives more details of that first travel"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "day on the mother ship. But at this"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "point, they're well along in their"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "journey. The commander is so disoriented"}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "that he doesn't realize that he's"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "already written about this first day of"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:11", "text": "travel and covers much of the same"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "ground. He apparently has no memory of"}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "his previous diary entry. In this"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "section, we learn that one man"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "is missing."}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "Whoa."}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "I dreamt of Earth."}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "I really had some vivid dreams of"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "Colorado, the mountains, the snow, and"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "my family. It was as if I was really"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "I had no worries and never thought of my"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "situation inside the foreign spaceship."}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "Then I awoke."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "I was confused and disoriented. I was in"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "a bowl. well, looked like a bowl to me."}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "I don't remember how I got here. My"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "first thought was to my crew. I pushed"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "open the top of this glass bowl and it"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "opened. I heard a hissing sound coming"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "from the seams or seals. I looked around"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "and I saw I was inside a room. Not a"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "room I remember, but all of us were"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "inside these glass bowls. All the other"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "crew members were asleep. I climbed out"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "and I realized my legs were sore. But I"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "climbed out, went to each glass bowl and"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "checked on the crew. I found only 11 of"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "us. Somebody's missing. But who? I'm so"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "confused."}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "I'm also very thirsty. I I can't find"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "any of those water bottles."}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "We had some, but I can't find any. My"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "eyes are really having a problem"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "focusing, but I'm writing this in my"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "log. I have to record everything. I"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "found number."}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "He's alive. Who's missing? I have to"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "look at each bowl. This room is large."}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "The ceilings like a bed mattress. Looks"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "like a bed mattress. The walls of this"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "room are soft."}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "Not very much in this room except for"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "the bowls and some tubes running from"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "the bowls to the floor. I see lights"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "flashing on the bottom of each bowl."}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "There are bright lights on the ceiling"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "inside the mattress or something. I"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "can't open these bowls. I tried"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "everything. I must get some help from"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "the Ebans."}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "I found a door, but it won't open."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "We are the specimens."}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "I can't remember how we open the doors."}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "How long have we been inside these"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "bowls? Can't seem to remember much."}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "Maybe the traveling in space causes"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "problems with a person's mind. They told"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "us this during training, but we never"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "had anyone travel this far in space"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "before. We are the specimens."}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "Maybe I should go back into the bowl."}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "Maybe I woke too early. My wristwatch"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "says it's 1800 hours. But what day? What"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "month? What year? How long have I been"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "asleep?"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "The floor seems to be soft with wires"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "running in a crisscross pattern. See"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "some type of television screen in the"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "corner of the room. Think it might"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "monitor the other bowls."}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "I can't read anything on the screen"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "because it is in Eban language."}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "I do make out lines, maybe health"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "monitoring lines on the screen. I hope"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "that means everyone's breathing and"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "alive."}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "But we are missing one man. Did I forget"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "something?"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "Did someone die?"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "I can't remember."}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "I have some type of rash on my hands."}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "Real burning sensation."}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "Maybe it is radiation burns or"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "But where are the radiation monitors we"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "had in our packs?"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "Where are survival packs? I can't find"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:50", "text": "anything. I'm returning to the bull. I'm"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "lying down. I will stop making entries"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "in this diary."}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "We have no idea what day it is. Entry."}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "Since I'm not sure of what day it is, I"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "won't state a day as to my entry. I'll"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "just say entry."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "We're all sick,"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "dizzy, upset stomachs. 7754 gave us"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "medicine to settle our stomachs, but we"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "really feel bad."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "We seem to be unable to focus our eyes"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "and seem to not know which way to turn"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "up or down or don't know the way to sit"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "down."}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "Really bad feeling. Medicine helps a"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "little. We are able to eat a little. 700"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "and 754 tell us to eat and drink the"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "water we brought along. We are doing"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "that and feel a little better. Can't"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "concentrate on anything so I can't write"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "anymore right now. Feel a lot better."}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "EBEs came in and did something to the"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "room. It all seems clear and we're not"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "so confused and dizzy. We ate again and"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "drink more water. Feeling a lot better."}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "We're out of the sphere, but must stay"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "in them at certain times. EBE showed us"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "a series of lights above the entry"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "panel. Green and red and white lights."}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "If the light is red, we must sit in the"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "sphere. If the light is white, we are"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "okay. Maybe he never explained the green"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "light. Maybe that isn't good. We have no"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "idea what day it is, only that it is"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "2319. Our date recorder isn't working"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "very well, according to 633, scientist"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "number one."}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "He thinks we have been going for 10"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "days, but not really sure."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "We've been confined to this room for the"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "entire time. I think this room was made"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "for us and we are safe in this room."}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "Maybe it wouldn't be wise to leave it."}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "No weightlessness."}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "Don't know how they do it, but we do"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "feel a little lightheaded when we walk."}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "Seems room is pressurized. Ears are"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "popping a lot. If we have to sit in this"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "room for 270 days, we will be really"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "bored."}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "We can't really do much on all our"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "equipment is packed away. We have our"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "backpacks,"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "but they only contain a few items. We"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "want to clean up but can't find a"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "bathroom except for the containers we"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "are using to relieve ourselves."}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "They are small metal containers that are"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "emptied by the EBE every now and then."}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "EBBE brings us food. Their food. We"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "tried it and it tastes like paper."}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "Really no taste, but maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "something special for space travel. 700"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "is eating it. He seems okay, but it is"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "upsetting his bowels. Your water is"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "milky looking but tastes like apples."}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "Strange."}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "See, maybe they would like applesauce."}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "Antimatter propulsion"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "entry."}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "It's been a long time since I've made an"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "entry. We are guessing we have been on"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "the ship for 25 days, but we might be"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "off by about 5 days."}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "We were locked into our sphere for a"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "long period of time. We had to leave in"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "order to relieve ourselves. And finally,"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "we were able to open the sphere. But"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "when we did, we all got sick. Really"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "sick. Dizzy, confused, and some couldn't"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "walk. We had trouble urinating and"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "moving our bowels. 700 and 754 who ate"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "the EBE food. Didn't seem to be as sick"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "as us. They treated us with medicine."}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "EBBE came in and pointed a bluish light"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "on our heads. He felt better, much"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "better after this. But he pointed to the"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "shares and we figured we must get back"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "into them. We showed him our waste"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "containers and pointed to the chairs in"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "a confused manner. He understood and"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "left the room. EBBE came back with small"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "containers we could place inside the"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "sphere. He also brought in small jugs of"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "milky liquid and made a motion for us to"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "drink it."}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "So, we went back into the sphere and"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "just sat there with the waste containers"}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "and the jug of the milky stuff. We drank"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "that and seemed to be better except 518,"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "the biologist, who seemed to be sick."}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "But we were cautioned to stay inside the"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "sphere."}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "Halfway home."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "We learned now that the alien craft"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "exited the time domain at approximately"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "the halfway point. The team members now"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "felt much better and were able to move"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "freely about the ship and to explore and"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "ask questions. Apparently, the team"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:22", "text": "member felt sick and dizzy only when"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "traveling through the time domain. This"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "is important information for NASA and"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "for future man space probes from Earth."}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "Certainly, our bioscientists will be"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "able to develop some sort of medication"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "to counter this problem. Maybe Mother"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "Sil's seasick pills would do the trick."}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "The halfway point in the journey still"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "leaves about 20 light years or 200"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "trillion km to go. It appears the Ebans"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "travel through space using very advanced"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "onboard propulsion. We learn here that"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "they may have been using antimatter"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "technology. Cplay 12 entry."}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "I don't have any idea how long we stayed"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "in that sphere this time, but EBBE came"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "in and made a motion for us to come out."}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "We were able to move around without"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:07", "text": "being dizzy or sick. EBBE have allowed"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "us to leave the room. We walked along a"}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "very narrow hallway for a long period of"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "time, maybe 20 minutes. We then got into"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "some sort of elevator which moved fast"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "because we could feel the motion. We"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "came into a very large room that"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "contained many Ebans sitting in seats."}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "Maybe this is the control center. Our"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "escort made a motion to go into the"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "room. We could see control panels which"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "contained many lights. There were four"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "different stations containing six"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "evenbans each. They were in levels. The"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "top level inside the room contained just"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "one seat. One Eban was sitting in that"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "chair who figured he must be the pilot"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "or commander seemed busy with an"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "instrument panel. There were many"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "television screens, but all showed Eban"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "language and a series of lines, both"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "vertical and horizontal. Maybe some sort"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "of graph."}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "We were able to wander around without"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "any even bothering us. 633 and 661"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "scientist number two were really"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "interested in this. 633 seemed better."}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "There was one window,"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "but we could not see anything. It was"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "dark, but we could make out wavy lines."}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "Maybe some sort of distortion in time."}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "We must be moving faster than light"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "speed, but we couldn't see anything out"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "the window. Negative matter versus"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "positive matter. Okay, NVC finally"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "arrived. He explains in broken English"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "that we are halfway to the home planet."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "Everything is functioning properly and"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "we will all feel better once the craft"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "gets out of this time wave, as he calls"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "it. NBC says we can walk around any part"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "of the ship, but we must stay together."}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "We must be shown how to operate the"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "movement centers."}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "We're thinking he's referring to the"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "elevators. It seems simple, just placing"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "your hand on one of the operating"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "lights. White and red. White moves it."}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "Red stops it. We hear some type of"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "ringing sound, but NVC says it's only"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "space sounds. Whatever he means by that."}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "We were able to walk around the ship,"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "but it's so large it is difficult to"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "understand how such a large ship can"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "move so fast. 633 wants to see the"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "engines. MVC takes four of us to the"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "engine room or whatever they wish to"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "call the room. It contains large, very"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "large metal containers. They are in a"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "circle with the ends of each pointing"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "into the center. Many pipes or some type"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "of large tubes connect them. In the"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "center of these containers is a copper"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "colored coil or something looking like a"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "coil. There's a bright light being"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "shined from a point above into the"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "center of the coil. We hear a very dull"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "hum, but no major loud sounds. 661"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "thinks it's a negative matter versus"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:53", "text": "positive matter system. Ah, yes, the old"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "negative versus positive matter system."}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "I should have guessed."}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "We know that 661 was a scientist. His"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "speculation that perhaps the Ebans were"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "using some form of antimatter propulsion"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "at the time was amazing since that"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "possibility wasn't entertained then,"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "even in classified scientific ranks."}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "This team was well chosen."}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "and we're all apparently highly"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "intelligent and forward thinking."}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "Now, we have learned from Robert Lazar,"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "who worked on reverse engineering alien"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "craft at Area 51 in the 1980s that the"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "aliens used antimatter reactions to"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:28", "text": "power their craft utilizing superheavy"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "substance called element 115, an element"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "not found on Earth. Since Lazar's"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "revelations, scientists at Lawrence"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "Liverour Laboratory in collaboration"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "with Russian scientists in Duba, Russia"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "have been able to create element 115 by"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "bombarding other more stable elements"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:46", "text": "and have also now created even heavier"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "atoms. Element 116 and element 118. All"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "these atoms are very unstable and have"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "short half- lives but are highly"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "radioactive. Element 115 has been"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "assigned to the symbol UUP and named"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "anentium."}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "All these elements have now been added"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "to the periodic table. Petition to call"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "element 115 Lazarium."}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "Someone commented that in one of the"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "videos once and I was like, I would sign"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:16", "text": "that petition."}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "Death of 308. Oh no. The following entry"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "in the team's commander diary was"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "evidently written as they were nearing"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "the end of the journey. Apparently, they"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "all slept through most of the journey,"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "and each time they woke up, they had"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "little or no memory of what had"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "previously transpired. We learn later"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "that 308, team pilot number two, died of"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "a pulmonary embolism."}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "I'm awake again. Ebees are in the room."}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "My bowl is open. Some of my crew are"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:45", "text": "walking around. The Ebans are helping"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "them. I climbed out of my bowl. The"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "English-speaking Eban sees me and I ask"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "him if everyone in my crew is all right."}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "He doesn't understand. All right."}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "I point to the crew. I say 11. Where is"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "number 12? EB1 then points to a bowl"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "that is empty and says Earthman is not"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "living. Okay. Someone died. But who? My"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "crew is walking around in a state of"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "confusion. I I can't get anyone's"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "attention."}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "They look like the living dead. I asked"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "EB1, \"What is wrong with them?\" EB1"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "replied, \"Space sick, but will not be"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "sick soon.\" Okay, that makes sense. I"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "have no idea how long. We are still"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "flying, but don't know how long. EB1"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "brings some fluids and something looking"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "like a biscuit. Fluid tastes like chalk."}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:40", "text": "Biscuit doesn't have any taste. We all"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "eat it and drink the fluid. Almost"}, {"start": "01:03:40", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "instantly, we feel better."}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "Okay, get organized. Told 203 to round"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "up all crew. Found 308, team pilot"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "number two, missing. Must be the dead"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "crew member. EB1 came back and led me to"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "308. He was in bull. Something like a"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "coffin."}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "7754 will examine 308. EB1 cautioned us"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "not to take 308 out. Don't understand"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "the caution. 7754 is here."}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "I tried to tell EB1 that these guys are"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "our doctors and must examine 308. EB1"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "said no because of infection."}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "I guess 308 must have had some sort of"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "infection and it could be contagious."}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "But is 308 dead? Don't know. We will"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "take EB1's advice. 7754 just looked into"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "the bowl and said it looks like 308 is"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "dead. Everyone else looks okay. The"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:39", "text": "fluids and biscuit must have contained"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "some type of energy food. We can focus"}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "our eyes and actually think."}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "No one can remember how we got into this"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "room. All our equipment is here."}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "Everyone is concerned about our status."}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "EBEs are friendly, but won't tell us"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "much. 899 is concerned with being locked"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "into a room. 633 and 661 thinks we"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "should be keeping busy. I agree. I order"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:04", "text": "everyone to get their packs and ration"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:07", "text": "belts, inventory everything inside, and"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "see if something's missing. that will"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "occupy the team for some time. My"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "wristwatch says it's 0400, but what day?"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "Date, don't know. Very strange not being"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "able to gauge time."}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "We have no reference inside this room or"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "the spaceship. The year clock that we"}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "brought will be unpacked once we can get"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:31", "text": "to the stowed gear. We don't know where"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:31", "text": "that is."}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "Very very interesting. Lots to take in"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "here. So, it just seems like they got"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "space sick."}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "Uh they're eating these strange"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "colorless, tasteless, odorless rations."}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "Very on brand for, you know,"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:59", "text": "biosynthetic organisms or potentially,"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "you know, bio-engineered artificial"}, {"start": "01:05:59", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "intelligence to eat things that taste"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "like paper."}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "you know, for anyone wondering out"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "there, well, what's their art like? Do"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "they have art? They do they enjoy food"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "and dance and music? It seems like they"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "don't."}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "I for one am glad to not have been"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "incarnated into the body of one of these"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "dull grays. They seem so boring."}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "Um, perhaps why the mantids and the"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "Nordics are a little more appealing than"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "the grays. They're just so bland."}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "like get a hobby,"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "you know. Um,"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "so one of them's dead, 11 left. One that"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "died was pilot number two."}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "I don't think they'll need any pilots,"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "though. They've, you know, unless they"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:51", "text": "try to escape Serpo. Um, this is very"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "interesting. I'm very excited to read"}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "chapter 10 and learn more about the"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "planet. We never get to hear about the"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "planets. We hear about the ships."}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "seldom hear about the, you know, the"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "grays and their interactions with each"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "other, but never do we hear about the"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:09", "text": "planets. We do have, you know, books"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "from uh people like Wendell Stevens who"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:15", "text": "have covered cases like uh Culus or all"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "these other sort of uh strange planets"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "that people were apparently taken to and"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "shown. But but you know, Zeta Reticuli"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "or Serpo or the Ebans, uh I've not yet"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "heard of this. My guess, I'm just going"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:31", "text": "to go on a on a hunch here, is that it's"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "going to be underground"}, {"start": "01:07:31", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "binary star system, but their atmosphere"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "has been destroyed and irdiated, which"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "accounts for how they look and their"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "giant eyeballs because they've all had"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "to uh sort of cower under, you know, the"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "surface. I think that that's what we're"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "going to expect. I don't expect anything"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "on the surface. I could be wrong. If so,"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:58", "text": "maybe they're in suits or maybe it's"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "Yeah, maybe it's a lush rainforest. I"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "don't know. But I'm very eager to find"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "out. And I hope you will all join me for"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "the next installment, Secret Journey to"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "Planet Serpo. Serpo Serpo,"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "the true story of interplanetary travel."}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "Folks, this is a really fun read. I do"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "enjoy this. It is stretching my"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "imagination. By no means do I believe"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "any of it, but I'm not in the I'm not in"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "the business of believing or"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "disbelieving."}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "Um, I am in the business of being highly"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "entertained by this. And perhaps"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "perhaps what if any of this was true?"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "Could you imagine"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "how insane that would be? Anyways, I'm"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "very excited for uh the next episode,"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "the next read through. I will not get"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "ahead of myself. I will wait for you"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "guys and we will read it together."}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "Folks, if you do enjoy this content and"}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "you want to support this channel, like"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:54", "text": "the video, you know, subscribe or check"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "out areaf52.shop."}, {"start": "01:08:54", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "We've got a lot of sales going on. 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Well,"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "part of it, including the training, the"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "voyage, the arrival, the 13 years on the"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "ground. I'm going to start at part two"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "because that's where, you know, the real"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "meat and potatoes are, but part two"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "doesn't make any sense if you haven't"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "read part one. So, I'm I'm going to try"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "to get through the first 100 pages in a"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "bit of a synopsis here for you guys. It"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "also helps you understand why anyone"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "would agree to this. And so strap"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "yourselves in, like this video,"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "subscribe. Let's get into it. So this"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "book comes 20 years after the story. And"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "the story starts with emails. November"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "2nd, 2005, Victor Martinez, a former US"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "government employee, uh, ran a private"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "UFO mailing list. 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And he was only known as"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "anonymous. So Martinez's list was pretty"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "important. It wasn't just a random"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "subscriber list. It wasn't a public"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "forum either. The subscribers included"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "people with intelligence and defense"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "backgrounds"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "and so the material when it showed up it"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "kind of arrived with this certain sense"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "of borrowed credibility. Anonymous also"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "said that he wasn't working alone. 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And so by December 21st, there"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "was enough of the email exchange and the"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "dumps to merit its own platform. So a"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "British subscriber named Bill Ryan, uh,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "he built a site and he called it"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "serpo.org."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "And so Casten's book is basically just"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "this conglomeration of all these"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "different emails, uh, things arriving"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "out of order, contradicting each other,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "and he tries to put it into one coherent"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "body of work that you can read front to"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "back. And Bill Ryan comes back later in"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "the episode, so put a pin in that. We'll"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "get back to him. I've been waiting so"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "long to cover this story, and I cannot"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "wait to get into it. So this happens in"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "three parts. Uh part one is called the"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "prelude. It's six chapters. You have"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Germany, Antarctica, Roswell, uh Los"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "Alamos, Kingman, and Kennedy."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "This is basically just like a backfill"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "of history uh to get us up to speed of"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "them embarking on this journey. And part"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "two is called Project Crystal Knight."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "And that name is the name of the alleged"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "project or program. So, the planet was"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "Serpo and the program was allegedly"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "Crystal Knight. And that has 10 chapters"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "and that covers like the training, the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "landings, the voyage, the arrival,"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "there's a confrontation, a police state,"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "um exploration, and then eventually the"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "return. Part three is the epilogue. So"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "the Eben technology and then which I"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "find very fascinating a chapter arguing"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "that close encounters of the third kind"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "was seated with classified material."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "Following this 13 appendices"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "including one on the aliens religious"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "beliefs and then one that's just a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "supply manifest."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "So I'm very much looking forward to"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "reading this story. This will be my"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "first time reading it and I'll be"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "reading it with you uh starting in part"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "two. But before we do that, I'd like to"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "cover the entirety of part one just to"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "get you up to speed and yeah, why it is"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "we're here. So, chapter one starts in"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Germany. It's the Nazi era. He's arguing"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "that the fear that eventually produces"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Serpo begins with German engineering and"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "he leans heavily on a researcher named"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "Vladimir Tziski."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "So Tziski's claim is that Germany built"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "working anti-gravity discs, the Hiboo"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "series. 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Because obviously Germany's"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "rocket and jet programs were real and"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "were genuinely ahead of everyone and the"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "Allies did scramble to grab the people"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "who built them. That's known as"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Operation Paperclip. That's just a fact."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "It's part of history. But the discs are"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "not. There's no archive anywhere really"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "of uh anti-gravity in it. Tziski's"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "material has never been independently"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "confirmed or corroborated and the"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "photographs that travel with all of this"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "fall apart under any serious scrutiny."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "So keep that in mind. But Casten needs"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "this chapter to help set up the rest of"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "the book and especially chapter 2. So"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "chapter 2 is Antarctica. We've all heard"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "a lot about this place. Very mysterious"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "area in the world. But two things in"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "this chapter are actually like solid"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "parts of history. Okay. So in 1938 and"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "39 Germany ran a real Antarctic"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "expedition and claimed part of Queen Ma"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "land naming it Novabinland or New"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Suabia. Suabia Suabia. And in the winter"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "of 1946 and 1947 the US Navy ran"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Operation High Jump under Rear Admiral"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "Richard E. Bird. Thousands of personnel,"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "13 ships, aircraft. It ended earlier"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "than the original plan called for and"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "Casten builds on both of these stories."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "In his telling, Novabinland became a"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "fortified base. Uh, senior Reich"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "personnel, equipment, and thousands of"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "civilians moved down there before and"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "after the surrender. Allegedly, with the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "surviving DISC program flying out of"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "Antarctica rather than Germany, and High"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "Jump wasn't an exploration."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "Apparently, it was sent to destroy that"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "base, but it ran into the aircraft that"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "it couldn't fight and retreated."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "Now, everything in the back half of part"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "one rests on this. By 1947, the Pentagon"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "believes the Reich survived and is"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "operating out of Antarctica and is"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "flying something the United States"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "cannot match, which puts American"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "intelligence in a very specific mood"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "going into that summer."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "Which brings us to chapter 3. Roswell."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "Chapter 3. Roswell. Early July 1947,"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "something comes down in New Mexico."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Roswell Army Airfield puts out a press"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "release saying they've recovered a"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "flying disc. A few hours later, well,"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "it's a weather balloon. And the story"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "dies. Well, dies."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "They wanted it to die. But decades on,"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "the Air Force explains it as Project"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "Mogul, a classified balloon array built"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "to listen for Soviet nuclear tests. But"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "the Serpo version, which Casten writes"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "about, goes past that. So it talks about"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "more than one crash. Roswell and a"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "second location with a corona named most"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "often, though the accounts sort of"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "disagree."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "more than one craft, multiple bodies,"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "and one survivor."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "Injured, but alive, down, but not out."}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "So, he's taken to Roswell and put into"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "the custody of a senior intelligence"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "officer, isolated from essentially"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "everyone. And the next day, a military"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "convoy moves him out, which brings us to"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "chapter 4, Los Alamos, another very"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "familiar place. They designate him EBBE,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "extraterrestrial biological entity. He"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "becomes EBE1 a little later once there"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "are others, but he's housed at Los"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Alamos, which in 1947 is about as secure"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "an address as exists. And over roughly 5"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "years, the people around him work out"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "how to communicate. Now, we've read"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "books about this and you've heard lore,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "so there's all that to take into"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "consideration as well. But apparently,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "they started with drawings and then"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "something like language developed. Uh"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "the alien eventually tells them where"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "he's from. A planet orbiting a binary"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "star system in the reticulum uh 39 light"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "years away. They don't have a name for"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "the species, so they build one out of"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the acronym Eben. And then the planet's"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "name comes from him, Serpo. And"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "unfortunately, sadly, he dies at Los"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "Alamos in 1952. Before he dies, he helps"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "him with a communication device"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "recovered from the wreck, repairs it or"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "explains it, depending on which version"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "you read. And after his death, they get"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "it working. And in December of 1952,"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "something responds."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "Then 9 years of slow correspondence,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "gradually resolving into rough English,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "in 1962, they arrange a meeting. The"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "Ebans will come back, meet and at a time"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "and place agreed in advance apparently"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "in April 1964"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "in New Mexico."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "This brings us to"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "chapter 5, Kingman. So chapter 5 goes a"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "little sideways to another crash in"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "Kingman, Arizona in May 1953. Another"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "very important and very well doumented"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "crash in the sort of UFO history. And"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "this one's attached to a man with a"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "checkable biography, which makes it a"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "little different from most of part one."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "His name was Arthur Stansel, and for"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "years, he was known publicly as Fritz"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "Werner, a pseudonym given to him by the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "investigator Raymond Fowler. Stansel was"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "an engineer who worked the atomic test"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "program in Nevada during Operation"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "Upshot Knole in 1973,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "20 years after the fact. He signed an"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "affidavit for Fowler."}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "He said he was pulled onto a special"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "assignment, flown out, driven to the"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "site on a bus"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "with blacked out windows,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "and put to work with a team of"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "specialists"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "who were instructed not to speak to each"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "other. Sound familiar? His assignment"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "was narrow. Uh, calculate the impact"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "velocity. That was it. 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Whether it's"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "your cell phone collecting data from you"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "or the websites you're browsing or what"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "have you, it's an issue in today's day"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "and age. And your cell carrier is"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "actually a huge part of that. And that's"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "why I like what Cape is doing. Cape is"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "America's privacy first mobile carrier."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "So, with Cape, you don't just get your"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "premium cell service, but you also get"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "privacy and security. One of the newest"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "functions that Cape has is the"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "identifier rotation. So, your phone"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "normally has like this static identifier"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "uh called an IMSI. And Cape basically"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "automatically rotates that identifier"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "for you every 24 hours. And what does"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "that mean? It makes it significantly"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "harder to track you over time. And on"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "top of that, you get two additional"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "textonly phone numbers. So, first of"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "all, these are real phone numbers, not"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "VIP. So, you actually use them for"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "things like uh logging into social media"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "or verifying accounts online. And that"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "way, it keeps your primary private phone"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "number private. Also, Cape deletes your"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "call and text metadata every 24 hours."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "So, to protect your privacy at the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "network level, go to cape.co/eria52 /"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "area52 and use code area52 at checkout"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "for 33% off your first 6 months with"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "CAPE. Cape is connection without"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "compromise. By the mid 1950s, this was"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "pretty much routine. There was already a"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "procedure uh buses, blackout windows."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "This was run-of-the-mill crash retrieval"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "that already had been established by"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "allegedly the Majestic 12 or MJ12. And"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "if you want to know more about them,"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "I've made a video in the past. You can"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "check that out. But the last chapter of"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "part one puts the president in it. And"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "the claim here, again, your disbelief"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "should be actively suspended at this"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "point, but the claims that Kennedy"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "personally approved the exchange in"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "1962, received the Ebans in ' 64, sent a"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "team back with them, uh, and that the"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "Air Force runs it as a lead agency with"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "civilian scientists brought in to plan"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "the mission and pick the crew. So the"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "meeting happens April 24th, 1964. Two"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "Eban craft enter the atmosphere. The"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "first one lands at the wrong coordinates"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "near Sukoro 39 light years and they miss"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "by about 100 miles. Uh, the Americans"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "are waiting at White Sands and they send"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "a correction up and the second craft"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "comes down at the right spot west of"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "Hollowman Air Force Base in front of 16"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "senior US officials."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "So, the terms get settled there. The"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "Ebans take their dead home. The United"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "States sends 12 people to Serpa."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "Kennedy is dead by then. So Casten does"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "what most everybody writing in this area"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "eventually does and goes looking for a"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "line between UFO secrecy and what"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "happened in Dallas. So two documents and"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "they're not necessarily in the same"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "category, but National Security Action"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "Memorandum 271 is very real. Kennedy"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "issued it on November 12th, 1963, 10"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "days before what happened on the grassy"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "null, directing cooperation with the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "Soviet Union on outer space matters. And"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "that's public and you can read it, but"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "the other one surfaced in 2011 through"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "an author named William Lester, uh, who"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "said he got it via a Freedom of"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "Information request."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "same date addressed to the director of"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "central intelligence ordering a review"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "of the agency's UFO files with an"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "interim report due in February. When the"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Kennedy Library was asked about it, the"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "staff went through the presidential"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "office files, the CIA files, the NASA"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "files, and the national security files,"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "and they found"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "a big surprise, no copy and no reference"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "to anything like it. They also noted"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "that the formatting and the redaction"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "pattern didn't match other classified"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "memoranda and I'll put both on screen"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "here and you can have a look."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "So where does this leave us? Well going"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "into part two. So the United States at"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "this point believes that its technology"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "is outmatched first by Antarctica and"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "then by whatever came down in New"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Mexico. It has held a living non-human"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "for 5 years and learned to talk to him."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "It has kept a channel open to his home"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "world for over a decade. In 1964, it met"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "his people at a scheduled landing and"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "made an agreement at Hollowman and 12"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "people get selected. Four pilots, two"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "linguists, two doctors, two scientists,"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "a biologist, and one security man. They"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "are trained for 2 years. Chosen partly"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "on the basis that nobody would come"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "looking for them. July 16th, 1965. They"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "walk on expecting to be gone 10 years."}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "They're gone for 13."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "Okay, folks. I'm not going to read to"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "you six episodes of this uh pretending I"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "don't know what's been said about this"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "in the past. So, to be very transparent,"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "uh there's never really been verifiable"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "documents, photographs, or named crew"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "member attached to any of this. And the"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "whole thing is from an anonymous email."}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "The releases contradict each other."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "Different versions give different"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "numbers of how many left or how many"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "died and how many came back and how many"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "stayed."}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "In 2007, a British research group called"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "Reality Uncovered went after the origin"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "of the emails and traced them to well,"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "Richard Dodie, former Air Force Office"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "of Special Investigations agent. Now,"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "I've had Dodie on the channel. Dodie"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "denies it. His name is going to come up"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "a lot in this channel. Eventually,"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "you'll hear about him because he's"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "pretty much the most thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "documented disinformation operative in"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "American Euphology. He was at the center"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "of the Paul Benowitz case in the 80s"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "where a private citizen was fed"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "fabricated alien material for years uh"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "until his mental health decline. And on"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "March 5th, 2007, Bill Ryan, the man who"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "built the website, the story's biggest"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "advocate, stepped down as its web"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "master, and said the releases contained"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "disinformation."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "He left the door open to crack, however."}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "He said that he still thought something"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "real might be underneath it, but he"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "walked away from the material as"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "published. So, take that for what it's"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "worth. I'm going to read it anyway"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "because I think it's interesting. And if"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "it's fabricated,"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "I mean, somebody fabricated a planet uh"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "with two suns, a heat problem, a crew"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "that never adapts to uh the system over"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "there, a calendar, and all of this,"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "which is pretty insane. So, somebody"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "worked out what they ate and what they"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "died of and how the politics functioned."}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "It feels like thousands of hours of"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "worked aimed at a mailing list of a few"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "hundred people. So, whoever did this"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "either believed it or wanted very"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "desperately"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "for other people to believe it. And I"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "think that's worth looking into."}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "So, now we get into chapter 7, the"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "selection, the training, 12 people"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "getting told they won't be home for a"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "decade."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "Strap yourselves in, folks. It's going"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "to be a wild ride."}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "Thank you for 100 episodes. By the way,"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "I know that we never officially,"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "you know, said our thank yous here, but"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "thank you so much uh for all the support"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "along the way. 100 episodes is a huge"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "milestone and I'm very glad to be here."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "Very glad to be here covering this stuff"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "with you. Secret Journey to Planet Serpo"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "Part Two, Project Crystal Knight."}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "Very intrigued by this, by the way."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "This part of the book draws heavily upon"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "the diary of the team commander, who we"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "also know as 102, which we'll see on"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "page 97."}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "We are very fortunate to have his"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "personal record of this amazing journey"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "as it was happening. In this diary is"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "recorded far more than simple"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "information and observations."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "We can also now appreciate all his"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "anxieties, his misgivings, and his"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "impressions."}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "When he says, \"I dreamt of Earth,\""}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "and describes his Colorado home, we"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "experience a wave of sympathy for this"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "man who has volunteered to travel 240"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "trillion miles from Earth as we try with"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "great difficulty to comprehend what such"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "a journey could be like. We also become"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "spectators to what he is seeing and"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "hearing, and we learn what he thinks"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "about his own adventures. We must give"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "many thanks to Anonymous who had access"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "to the actual diary and who"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "painstakingly transcribed it verbatim"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "and sent it to the SERPO website. In"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "sending in these diary entries,"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "Anonymous prefaced them with a plea to"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "Victor Martinez, the website moderator."}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "He said, \"Attached for your UFO thread"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "list are just four pages of the team"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "commander diary. The diary contains a"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "large number of pages, all handwritten."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "It took me several days to prepare the"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "attached four pages from the diary. This"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "is the actual verbatim diary of the team"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "commander."}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "It was started the morning of the"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "departure. There were code names for"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "control personnel and three-digit"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "numbers for each team member address"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "above. There are other codes and"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "abbreviations for certain things which"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "is not explained."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "All right. I've typed the exact words,"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "phrases, and abbreviations. Nothing has"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "been changed. And likewise, I will ask"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "you not to alter, change, or correct any"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "of the text here, as you often do with"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "mine to make it grammatically correct."}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "This includes your use of caps to"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "emphasize things I've written. I ask you"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "to not do this with these journal"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "entries, Victor. Okay. seems a little"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "salty about some of the uh corrections."}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "In making this plea, Anonymous is"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "communicating to Martinez how important"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "it is to leave the commander's precise"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "phrasiology intact and to reproduce it"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "exactly as he recorded it with incorrect"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "spelling, grammar, and inconsistencies"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "included. He understood that this diary"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "must be given to posterity, warts and"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "all. He knew that someday school"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "children all over the world would read"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "these words in their history books and"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "they would be right there with the"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "commander to witness these events as"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "they happened to see it all through his"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "eyes. So in the diary extracts in this"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "section we have tried to maintain this"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "high degree of authenticity and have"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "reproduced the exact text as it was sent"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "to the website and we ask the reader"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "indulgence in reading the diary entries"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "that are laced with errors. some"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "careless, some in the interests of"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "saving time, and some without regard for"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "grammatical accuracy. In some cases,"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "absolutely necessary. I have added the"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "correct text in brackets. In any case, I"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "am confident that the commander's intent"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "will easily be understood. So, despite"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "the commander's specific orders to like,"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "hey, did don't change anything or not"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "commander, the anonymous, uh, they they"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "proceeded to put brackets in there"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "anyways, which I do appreciate, by the"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "way. All right. The more we learn about"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "102, the more admirable he becomes. And"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "that's the commander, I suspect. Having"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "dared across the galaxy, he must now"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "shepherd his team through 13 years of an"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "incredibly challenging existence. They"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "must endure extreme heat, strange food,"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "constant daylight from two suns in the"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "sky, excessive radiation exposure, and"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "little or no recreation. All the while,"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "he must carry out his mission to learn"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "all he can about this civilization."}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "There are times when he can easily be"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "mistaken for Captain Kirk from Star"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "Trek, such as when he confronts the"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "Ebans for authorizing the"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "cannibalization of his dead teammate for"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "a cloning experiment."}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "Interestingly, the team arrived on Serbo"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "within a few months of the date that"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "Captain Kirk first appeared on our"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "television screens in 1966."}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "Apparently, the timing was right for"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "both. Sometimes it seems there is an"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "amazing confluence of a reality and"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "fiction."}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "I would I would I would agree with that."}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "Here we go. Chapter 7, selection and"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "training."}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "President Kennedy gave the official"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "directive for the Eban exchange program."}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "The date for the alien landing had been"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "previously set for April 24, 1964. And"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "the landing site was to be at the"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "western border of Hollowman Air Force"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "Base, adjacent to the southern entrance"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "to the White Sands Missile Range in New"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "Mexico. It was originally planned to be"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "only a diplomatic visit during which the"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "aliens would also retrieve the bodies of"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "the nine dead victims of the two New"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "Mexico crashes as well as the body of"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "EB1."}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "But President Kennedy decided to request"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "that the event become an exchange"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "program."}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "This request was communicated to the"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "Eban home planet and was approved by"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "them around September 1962. As noted"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "earlier, the exchange program idea was"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "originally put forth by EB1 in his fifth"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "message in 1952. In a reply directly to"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "him, the Ebans agreed to a return visit,"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "but did not mention an exchange program."}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "They suggested a date 10 years in the"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "future. This reply may have suffered"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "from EB1's translation and the military"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "handlers at Los Alamos. first believed"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "it to be a mistake, but before they"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "could obtain a correction, EB1 had died."}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "So that date, 1962,"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "remained until the new one in 1964,"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "could be established in 1955 via human"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "to Eban communication."}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "Not right. And when you hear me say,"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "\"All right,\" that that means like, \"All"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "right.\""}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "Uh, as it turned out, the new date was"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "really 12 years into the future from"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "when EB1 had received his reply. Now, in"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "1962, when communications were much"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "improved, Kennedy realized that the"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "exchange request might now receive an"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "approval, and it did. It was agreed that"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "we would send 12 American astronauts to"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "the alien planet, and they would leave"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "one Eban ambassador here for a period of"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "10 years. Since the plan date of the"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "landing could not be changed without"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "great difficulty, that meant that the"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "government planners had only about 18"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "months in which to select and train our"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "ambassadorial team. It was a very tight"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "schedule for such an unprecedented and"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "complicated program. The selection"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "process alone could easily involve a"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "six-month effort. While President"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "Kennedy had placed the entire program in"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "the hands of the DIA, the Defense"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "Intelligence Agency, this did not"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "preclude the use of civilian"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "subcontracting agencies. However, it was"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "quickly decided that the Air Force would"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "be the lead agency, taking"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "responsibility for finding 12 volunteers"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "for this historic mission. The Air Force"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "brought in civilian consultants to help"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "with personnel selection and mission"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "planning. Interestingly, NASA, which"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "became operational on October 1st, 1958,"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "had no involvement in the mission. Under"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "the terms of the National Aeronautics"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "and Space Act of July 29, 1958, NASA,"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "was to be the official government agency"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "charged with space exploration. And"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "since they had fully absorbed the"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "National Advisory Committee for"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "Aeronautics, NACA, they already had a"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "46-year history of space research that"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "could certainly help to expedite the"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "program planning and preparations. But"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "the NASA charter specified that it"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "remained non-military."}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "NASA could not be involved in a DIA"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "program. However, as will be seen below,"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "NASA did participate in training the"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "team."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "That's interesting because now as of a"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "few years ago, I think NASA was made"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "sort of the official government liaison"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "space exploration, you know, along with"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "NRO and"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "um Space Force and whatnot, but they are"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "like an official government entity now."}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "Um, in regards to that stuff, I believe"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "I believe, correct me if I'm wrong,"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "a grand adventure. The appointed"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "military civilian selection committee"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "debated for months about the criteria to"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "be applied in choosing the team members."}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "This was precious time lost. It was"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "finally decided that all candidates must"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "be military, but not necessarily from"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "the Air Force."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "There were to be no civilian members of"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "the team. They had to have chosen the"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "military as a career and had to have"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "completed at least four years of"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "service. This decision made a lot of"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "sense. The mission required an ultra-"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "high level of personal and team"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "discipline since the team members would"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "be facing enormous hardship and they"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "would have to rely on that discipline to"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "handle the challenges. Furthermore, as"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "previously discussed, Kennedy and the"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "DIA were not absolutely certain that"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "they would not be facing a possible"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "threat from the Ebans, and they wanted"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "people who could defend themselves and"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "could possibly even find a way to return"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "to Earth by force if it became"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "necessary. The committee would be"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "looking for individuals with special"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "skills appropriate to their roles in the"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "mission, uh, who had additionally been"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "cross-trained in other needed skills."}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "Also, they wanted some evidence that"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "each team member had the ability to step"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "into the shoes of another member if"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "necessary. So, just trying to take all"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "precautions,"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "trying to make sure they got all their"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "bases covered, as much as as many bases"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "as you can cover in a situation like"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "this. I suppose"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "the team members had to be currently"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "unmarried. Presumably, this requirement"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "did not eliminate those previously"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "married, but they could not have any"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "children. Preference would be given to"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "those who were themselves orphans. The"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "goal was to select candidates with as"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "few family ties as possible. Apparently,"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "there was concern that the family"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "members might somehow learn of the"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "program and might conceivably make"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "public their worries about its safety."}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "These 12 individuals would be entirely"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "in the hands of another civilization on"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "a planet in a distant star system, and"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "the government had little or no leverage"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "to ensure their safety. Their safety, of"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "course, was highly problematic. This was"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "a very dangerous mission and the fate of"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "the team was basically unpredictable. If"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "they did all die, we would have no way"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "of knowing whether it was accidental."}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "So, we could not retaliate against the"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "Eban in our custody, nor would we want"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "to anger an alien race that had the"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "technology to invade the Earth."}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "This was a delicate balance, but we had"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "enough experience with the Ebans to feel"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "confident that the team had a reasonable"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "chance of survival and returning safely."}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "Oh, how nice."}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "We basically had learned uh to trust"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "them. But this was to be the first time"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "any human would be sent out into space"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "beyond Earth's orbit. It was a grand"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "adventure, really more appropriate of"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "the realm of science fiction than that"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "of reality. But it was worth the risk."}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "If they all or even some of them return"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "safely to Earth, we would have complete"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "details about a civilization on a"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "distant planet."}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "Should be a window into the universe of"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "incalculable value."}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "The call for volunteers was placed in"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "military publications. Eventually, after"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "some months, the final 12, 10 men and"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "two women were chosen. There were eight"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "air force selectes, two army and two"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "navy. Additionally, four alternates were"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "picked. They would go through the same"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "training as the main team in case a"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "trainee was eliminated or dropped out."}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "These 16 were the very best and most"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "likely to complete the mission"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "successfully. Relative to selection, the"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "following quoted information came from"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "someone in England who claimed to have"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "been in MI6, the British intelligence"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "agency, and was involved in the program."}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "It was sent to the website and was not"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "disputed by anonymous. Interesting. So,"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "a third party corroborator apparently"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "allegedly, but this could also just be"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "anonymous sending it from another email,"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "let's say."}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "As a side note, bit of an aside here,"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "it would have been way easier to sigh up"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "the public in the ' 60s, '7s, 80s, even"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "90s than it is today in terms of the"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "methods used. uh today I would assume"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "that all the methods used to sigh up the"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "public would not be uh leaked documents"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "or anything of that sort. It would"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "probably have to do with algorithm"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "manipulation. like if you look at AI and"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "how it's able to mimic real sort of uh"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "human"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "uh characteristics online."}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "I feel like"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "the algorithms that are being presented"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "to us could be manipulating our"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "consciousness in some way. Our"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "decision-m our ability to filter"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "information. when you spend, you know,"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "five to 10 hours staring at a screen"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "every day, it's a lot of time for you to"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "be able to be soped and people"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "um, you know, if you see somebody on a"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "podcast or whatever, you can just shut"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "off the podcast, but then you're still"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "on your phone. So, it would be a massive"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "oversight if they weren't trying to scop"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "you using AI technology rather than, you"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "know, the way they did it before, which"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "was maybe a leaked document or um, a"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "misinformation or disinformation agent."}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "Although I'm not ruling all of that out"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "also, it just my point is it was a lot"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "easier back then because"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "the weight that credibility carried"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "to a topic"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "was much greater than today. So like"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "your role"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "being um you know having a"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "whether it's an academic background"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "you know a large pedigree of"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "scholarship or being highly ranked in"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "some agency or in the military like"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "those things added"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "credibility and credibility mattered"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "more when it came to that stuff."}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "Nowadays, you can just fact check"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "everything and you can look at, you"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "know, historical documents to see if"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "someone was telling the truth or not."}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "But back then, if a colonel or if a"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "doctor told you something, it held a"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "different amount of gravitas, like you"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "held it in higher regard. And so, it"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "would have been easier to just lie to"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "people or for people to be lied to"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "than it is today. I actually I don't say"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "easier. It would have just been like"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "people would have been more prone to"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "believing something from the horse's"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "mouth"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "rather than today. I think today people"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "are rightfully more skeptical of"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "everything they hear. Here's the uh"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "portion of the email that was sent to"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "the website. The advertisement which was"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "sent out asked anyone interested in"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "volunteering for a space program to"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "apply. It was a semiclassified"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "announcement. The disguise was that the"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "USAF was selecting a special team to"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "travel to the moon and these people must"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "undergo special training and a special"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "selection process. None of the military"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "people trying out for this team knew the"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "real mission. About 500 people applied"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "and that narrowed down to about 160. But"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "there was a problem. Some specialists"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "required on this mission were missing."}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "Besides, the requirement called for each"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "team member to be single, never married,"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "no children, and if possible, orphans."}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "The USAF had to go out and recruit two"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "doctors and several other specialists."}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "Sheep dipped. Ah, this is a term that"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "comes up uh quite a bit in this topic."}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "So, the selection committee decided to"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "completely dissolve the identities of"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "all the team members and to assign them"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "three-digit numbers as their new"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "identities. They wanted to sever all"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "their existing connections to Earth"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "except those with the mission personnel"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "and that meant destroying traceable"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "identities. Consequently, they were all"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "quote unquote sheep dipped. According to"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "an article in Time magazine on February"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "3rd, 2003 titled The CIA's Secret Army"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "by Douglas Waller, if a soldier is"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "assigned a highly clandestine work, his"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "records are changed to make it appear as"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "if he resigned from the military or was"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "given civilian status. The process of"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "this is called sheep dipping after the"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "practice of bathing sheep before they"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "were sheared."}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "This metaphor is slightly a skew. It"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "really is the shearing and not the"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "dipping that applies here. Identities"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "are sheared off like the wool of a"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "sheep. One suggestion was that they all"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "be listed as dead. That was debated and"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "rejected. It was finally decided that"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "they be shown on their official military"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "records as quote unquote missing."}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "That's interesting, isn't it? There are"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "some other highly ranked military"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "officials that have gone quote unquote"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "missing"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "that have been tied to uh pretty secret"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "programs."}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "That seems like a very odd decision"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "since the missing category was really"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "only appropriate in wartime when"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "thousands of military personnel were"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "listed as missing in action. In 1963,"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "the Vietnam War had not yet begun."}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "It wasn't clear how the military would"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "be able to explain how 12 people could"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "be missing in peace time. How could"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "members of the armed forces suddenly not"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "show up for duty without being labeled"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "as deserters?"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "Stranger still was the decision to"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "either destroy their military records or"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "to place them in a secret storage"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "facility. That meant that no"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "investigator would ever even know that"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "they had been in the military."}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "This means that they could never"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "question the quote unquote missing"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "designation anyway. All other records"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "were to be collected and destroyed or"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "placed in a vault, including Internal"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "Revenue Service, tax returns, medical"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "records, and any other papers that"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "showed that these 12 individuals had"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "ever existed. That was really an"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "impossible task since there were"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "probably papers such as birth"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "certificates, school, and college"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "records, and social security cards that"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "may uh not have been retrievable by the"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "military. Even harder today, by the way,"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "with the existence of the internet and"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "the digital footprint. The purpose of"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "all this strict depersonalization is"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "obscure. Very possibly, the committee"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "wanted to prevent the writing of"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "articles and books when the team members"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "returned to Earth and were released to"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "civilian life. The security oath alone"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "should have accomplished that goal, but"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "they weren't taking any chances. By"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "eliminating their credentials, the"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "military made it easy to disavow such"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "writings. They wanted the full report of"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "the space travelers to remain under lock"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "and key for as long as they chose. There"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "could have been a justifiable security"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "reason for this at the time, but now in"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "retrospect, it seems a great shame that"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "these 12 courageous space pioneers must"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "forever remain in the dark halls of"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "historical anonymity. The final makeup"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "of the team with their new three-digit"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "identities is as follows."}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "You have the list here."}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "Uh so the team commander would be 20 or"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "assistant team commander 203. Team"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "commander would be 102. Pilot 1 and2"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "would be 225 and 308. I don't expect any"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "of you to remember this, but I will put"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "it up on screen here in case you need to"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "reference it or in case we need to"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "reference it moving forward. In one of"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "his emails, Anonymous answered some"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "questions regarding the SERPO material"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "that were sent in. One question relates"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "to the selection process and offers some"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "additional insight. Following is the"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "question and answer. Okay, we've got a"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "Q&A here with Anonymous."}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "Another question pertain to the team"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "makeup. Why were only two females taken?"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "If one considers the monumental problem"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "associated with picking a team of 12"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "people where each person uh must be"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "totally erased from the military system,"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "no family ties, no spouses, no children,"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "one can see the difficulty that the"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "selection group had. The selection group"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "picked the best team members from a"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "limited pool of military people. The"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "original selection group picked 158"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "people. The final 12 were selected from"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "that number. If you consider"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "psychological, medical, and other tests"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "that had to be administered, the final"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "12 were the best qualified from the"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "original number. Why they chose two"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "females was never written. Apparently,"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "those two females were the best"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "qualified in their individual specialty,"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "a doctor and a linguist."}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "I like that they were being fair. Huh."}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "That's nice."}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "All right, the farm."}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "The primary training for the mission"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "took place at Camp Perry, Virginia on"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "the York River near Williamsburg. This"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "is the notso secret main CIA training"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "location popularly known as the farm but"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "officially referred to as the armed"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "forces experimental training activity a"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "feta. The project was assigned its own"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "training complex within the larger"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "facility where it could impose its own"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "secrecy and security within the already"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "highly secure CIA system. So it was"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "necessary to go through two levels of"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "screening to gain access to the team"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "training location. in Camp Perryi was"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "the home training site for the team, but"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "they were also trained at Shepard Air"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "Force Base in Witchah Falls, Texas."}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "Ellsworth Air Force Base outside of"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "Rapid City, South Dakota, and Dao Air"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "Force Base in Bangor, Maine. Wow, that's"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "interesting. Ellsworth being home to uh"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "well being home being the location where"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "you know Sergeant Mario Woods also had"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "his encounter and Richard Dodie was also"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "assigned to uh investigating"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "um Mario Woods's case. So maybe a"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "connection there. Maybe this leads back"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "to Dodie."}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "Interesting. I wish I would have"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "followed up a little bit more"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "on this. So, I'm reading this. I skimmed"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "through it partially before my"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "conversation with Richard Dodie. There"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "was so much there to talk about and"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "another reason why I feel like it merits"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "more conversation, but um I wish I would"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "have brought this up a little bit more"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "and I had it in my notes, but you know,"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "time flies. They were given high"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "altitude astronaut training at Tindle"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "Air Force Base near Panama City,"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "Florida. Anonymous says that they were"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "also sent to unidentified locations in"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "Mexico and Chile for special training."}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "Camp Piri was a logical choice for"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "training the team primarily because it"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "was self-contained and it was ultra"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "secure since it was operated by the"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "defense department. It was really a"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "military base under the nominal control"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "of the US Navy. It was named after famed"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "naval explorer Rear Admiral Robert E."}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "Perryi, who died, oh sorry, who in 1909"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "was the first man to reach the North"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "Pole. Self-containment was important to"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "the planners of the mission. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "want the team to make any connections"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "outside their training facility where"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "they might inadvertently drop a hint or"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "reference to their mission. Campiri also"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "already had pleasant homes and"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "apartments, recreational facilities, and"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "retail establishments for the CIA"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "trainees that were easily adaptable for"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "the team. Since it was previously a"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "Virginia state forestry and game"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "preserve, the camp residents could even"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "enjoy hunting on the 9,000 acre heavily"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "wooded reservation in whatever spare"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "time they were given. Secrecy and"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "self-containment had always been the"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "major virtues of the main training camp"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "for the Navy CBS. Then it was used to"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "house those German prisoners of war,"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "mainly officers who were supposed to"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "have been killed in action but had"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "actually been rescued by the Navy. And"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "we know this as paperclip."}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "Consequently, the German high command"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "thought they were dead and couldn't give"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "away any information. Prisoners could"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "live normal lives securely at Camp"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "Perryi while they were being"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "interrogated. Eventually, most became"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "naturalized American citizens. The Navy"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "gave the reservation back to Virginia in"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "1946, but then took it over again in"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "1951. The purpose of the CIA training at"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "the farm is to imbue deskbound"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "intelligence operatives with the"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "paramilitary skills they would need in"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "enemy territories. Here the keenly"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "academic types are toughened up and made"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "into pseudo soldiers."}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "This kind of James Bond commando"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "training was resumed after 9/11 by"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "George W. Bush after a long era of"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "blunders by CIA paramilitary operatives"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "in foreign countries who were in the"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "special operations group SOG. Waller"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "says in the Time article until fairly"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "recently the CIA in an effort to clean"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "up reputation sullied by botched"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "overseas coupe akus"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "and imperial assassination attempts had"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "shied away from getting its hands dirty"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "until about 5 years ago 1998. It focused"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "instead on gathering intelligence that"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "could be used by other parts of the"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "government. For that, traditional CIA"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "officers, often working under cover of"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "uh as US diplomats, got most of their"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "seekers from the embassy cocktail"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "circuit or by bribing foreign officials."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "Most did not even have weapons training."}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "Now, says Waller, at Camp Perry, new SOG"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "recruits also hone their paramilitary"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "skills like sharpshooting uh with"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "various kinds of weapons, setting up"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "landing zones in remote areas for agency"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "aircraft, and attacking enemy sites with"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "a small force."}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "This rebuilding of the special"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "operations group by CIA director George"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "Tennant required a makeover of the"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "facilities and capabilities of Camp"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "Perry starting in 2001. By the mid"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "1960s, there had been some improvements"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "as a result of the lessons learned in"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "the Bay of Pigs debacle in 1961, but"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "those facilities were still rather"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "primitive when the Serpo team was in"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "training at the camp between 63 and 65."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "Interesting little history lesson there"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "about Campiri that I did not know. And"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "so again, you know, we're reading"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "through these things who many people"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "might assume is just completely riddled"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "with disinformation and they very very"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "well might be right. However, even when"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "reading stuff like this and allowing"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "ourselves to suspend our disbelief, we"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "can learn a thing or two that we hadn't"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "previously known."}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "So far, everything checks out. It seems"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "a little strange obviously that, you"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "know, President Kennedy would give this"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "order to uh have this exchange program,"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "but I've heard crazier things."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "Extreme confinement."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "The complete training curriculum,"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "according to anonymous, is shown in"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "appendix 1. He claims to have received"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "it from an associate named Jean. Email"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "moderator Victor Martinez provided Gan's"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "last name, Lascowski."}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "Uh we later learned that his real name"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "is Jean Lakes."}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "Anonymous tells us that Lascowski uh"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "gave out these details of the training"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "agenda because he wanted to quote"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "unquote beef up the released information"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "with more specificity."}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "Expected to be completed in about 6"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "months. It was a very ambitious program."}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "We find out from anonymous email to the"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "website that it actually lasted about 8"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "months. The training was intense."}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "Anonymous says each team member had to"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "demonstrate their abilities to endure"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "hardship, which included a battery of"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "psychological tests, medical screenings,"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "and a PAT, a positive attitude test,"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "which is a military test given to pilots"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "and special forces personnel. Each team"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "member had to endure extreme,"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "psychological, and physical training. In"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "one training test, each team member was"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "locked inside a 5x7 box and buried 7 ft"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "underground. for 5 days with just food"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "and water, no contact with anyone else,"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "and in total darkness."}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "Evidently, candidates with any tendency"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "toward claustrophobia had been weeded"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "out by the selection process. Otherwise,"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "for anyone with such tendencies, the"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "ordeal would definitely have caused the"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "trainee to break down. Apparently, all"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "the team members passed this test. does"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "seem logical to have an to have imposed"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "a claustrophobic stress test on the team"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "since they had to be prepared to be"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "cooped up in the alien spacecraft for an"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "extended journey to Zeta Reticuli."}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "It wasn't known in what sort of living"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "quarters they would be esconced on"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "Serpo."}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "Ensconced. It's a good word."}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "Two ladies. A section of the Serpo"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "website invited comments from anyone who"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "had direct knowledge about Project"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "Crystal Knight, but preferred to remain"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "anonymous. Many emails were received"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "that confirmed all the basic facts about"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "the remarkable journey. Regarding the"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "training at Camp Perryi, this letter"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "basically authenticated the story"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "revealed by Anonymous. The writer says,"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "\"I was involved in Project Crystal"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "Knight from about 1960 to 1965."}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "I was assigned as a civilian to this"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "project. I was a CIA employee with a"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "specialty of survival in a foreign"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "environment. I was a training instructor"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "at the CIA training camp in Virginia. I"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "trained 12 men, no women, who went on"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "this mission. They spent about 8 months"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "at our training facility. Few knew their"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "exact mission, which was classified top"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "secret/code word. I had no other"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "involvement with this mission after"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "1965. I was very surprised to hear this"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "story come to light now after all these"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "years. Interesting. corroborative piece"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "of information once again. But once"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "again, where is this information coming"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "from? LAR or leak? We are faced again"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "with the existential question."}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "The no women interjection in this email"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "contradicts the claim by anonymous that"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "two women were part of the original"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "team. There has been other testimony on"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "both sides of the issue and it remains"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "contentious. It is possible that the 12"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "trainees referred to here consisted of"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "10 original team members and two male"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "alternates. The following email helps to"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "clarify the contradiction."}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "The project serpo information that I"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "just read is not totally correct. There"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "were two women in the original 16"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "selected for training. I helped train"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "the team including the two women. But"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "after the final selection process which"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "did not involve any combat training uh"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "like was mentioned on the website on"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "serpo.org the two women were dropped"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "from the list. During the training the"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "team members didn't know their actual"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "assignment. When the final cut was made"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "the 12 selected were sent to a military"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "prison and then told of the assignment."}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "The 12 were isolated from that point on."}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "The 12 were removed from payroll of the"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "government and placed in a special file"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "within the Defense Intelligence Agency."}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "The DIA was the controlling agency in"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "Project Crystal Knight, which was the"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "name of the operation."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "However, the following email keeps the"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "controversy alive. I congratulate and"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "commend you for getting this very"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "important piece of America's history"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "out, hidden history out. I really"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "enjoyed reading this information. And I"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "just shared it with many of my old intel"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "friends and they knew about it. It's"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "truly an amazing story. All of which is"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "fact."}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "I guess there still is a controversy"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "whether two women or went or not. At"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "least one woman went for sure. I knew"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "six of them while in training as their"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "instructor. Two were nurses, one was a"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "linguist and I'm not sure about the"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "others with passage of time."}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "So again, just more corroborative"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "anecdotal information. You know,"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "nowadays as well, like it would be so"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "easy to retrace like the IP address or"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "to find out who sent those emails. Well,"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "maybe not with like Proton and whatnot,"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "I feel like if that website existed now,"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "which I think it does, but if it existed"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "in the capacity that it did, you know,"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "with all these defense people um being a"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "part of a mailing list, I feel like we'd"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "get a lot further today."}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "Escape to Earth. As discussed in"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "previous chapters, we had at least one"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "intact Ebencraft in our possession."}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "Anonymous makes mention of the one that"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "crashed in the plains of San Augustine"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "in western New Mexico. He claims that"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "this craft collided with the Corona disc"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "on July 4, 1947, but limped on westward"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "and finally came down near Datil, but"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "wasn't discovered until 1949."}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "This discovery date was disputed by"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "other Roswell witnesses, but all agree"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "that this disc was virtually undamaged."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "It was sent to Wright Patterson Foreign"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "Technology Division"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "uh headed by Dr. Eric Wang for analysis"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "and reverse engineering."}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "Would that have been right airfield back"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "then and not right Patterson?"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "Interesting."}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "Um and Dr. Wang is also, you know, noted"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "to be one of these uh scientists who"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "have worked on anti-gravidics and uh"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "mysteriously"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "either passed away or vanished. The"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "seriously damaged Corona was also"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "shipped to Wright Patterson. At the"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "time, Area 51 was not yet in existence."}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "However, after it became operational,"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "both discs ended up there. We learned"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "from anonymous that the training plan"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "actually contemplated a possible"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "emergency escape contingency. He says"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "several selected team members, pilots,"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "were trained on flying an Eban craft,"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "one of which was the one captured near"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "western New Mexico in 1949. The plan"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "called for these selected few to fly the"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "craft back to Earth in case of an"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "emergency. There were four pilots on the"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "team, 102, 203, 225, and 308. These four"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "spent many weeks at the Nevada complex"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "learning to fly the recovered Eban alien"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "craft. It wasn't hard to fly once one"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "could understand the operation of the"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "controls. I'm sure many of the UFO"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "sightings back in ' 6465"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "around the West could be attributed to"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "these test flights by our team members."}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "So that part raises a little bit of a"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "flag to me. one,"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "the alien controls."}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "You know,"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "we hear lots of different speculative"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "um ideas about how these things were"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "piloted, including just like brain to"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "craft interface with no controls or very"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "limited amount of uh control panels,"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "like very minimal sort of uh no buttons"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "or joysticks or anything like that. But"}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "also the idea"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "that the sightings in ' 64 and 65 would"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "have been us flying them around."}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "It would surprise the heck out of me for"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "something so sensitive"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "to be taken off of a secure area and"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "flown around for people to see. Cuz if"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "that thing crashes, everything comes"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "crashing down with it. And so I do not"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "expect anyone to have seen any of the"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "flight tests unless you were directly on"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "base."}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "Um, that just sounds completely made up"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "to me."}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "And this is something that Bob Lazar"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "talked about as well. He, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "asked him, \"Do you think some of these"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "craft would be us flying them?\" And he"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "said, \"No, there's no way they would"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "ever take something so valuable and fly"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "it in civilian airspace for many"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "reasons.\" And I got to agree with that."}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "Like that would be an insane oversight."}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "In this reference to the Santa San"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "Augustine craft, anonymous implies that"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "we had more than one flyable Eban craft"}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "in our possession. The other one could"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "only have been the disc that was quote"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "unquote delivered to us at Kingman,"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "Arizona on May 21st, 1953"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "and was hauled on a tank carrier over"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "the road to the Nevada test site. See"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "chapter 5 and plate six."}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "This is a mass reference to Area 51"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "which was fully functional by that date"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "and now had become the major facility"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "for the reverse engineering and flight"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "testing of all recovered alien craft."}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "The belief that our pilots would be able"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "to fly an alien craft 40 light years"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "from Zeta Reticuli back to Earth was a"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "very naive supposition uh based on a"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "lack of knowledge of the scientific"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "principles involved at the time."}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "Apparently, in 1964, nobody in the"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "military-industrial complex had yet"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "conceived the possibility that covering"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "such vast distances could only be"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "achieved by time travel through"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "wormholes. It seems highly unlikely that"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "human pilots would have been able to"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "comprehend that sort of technology in"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "that era. Even Star Trek, which debuted"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "2 years later in ' 66, did not mention"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "time travel, but referred to warp"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "drives. It wasn't until the advent of"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "Star Wars in 77 that the term"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "hyperspace, basically a synonym for the"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "time domain, gained popular currency."}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "Furthermore, the Eman discs in our"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "possession were only small scout craft."}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "They were not meant for long-d"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "distanceance interstellar journeys."}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "Since we had not yet seen the larger"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "craft when the training took place, it"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "is understandable how this judgment"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "error could have occurred."}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "Tindall training."}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "Another email testimony confirmed that"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "the training at Tindall Air Force Base"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "in Florida and the fact that no women"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "were in the final team. Evidently, the"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "Tindall training place, the Tindall"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "training took place after the final 12"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "had been selected."}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "Here's the email. My father died in"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "1995. He was retired from the US Air"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "Force in 1990. He told me a story about"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "a special mission that he was involved"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "in back in 1965."}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "He told me that the mission was about 12"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "military astronauts that went to another"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "planet in a spaceship"}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "that was found in New Mexico desert."}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "He said the 12 men were trained at"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "Tindle Air Force Base in Florida where"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "he was stationed."}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "He helped train the 12 in space"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "endurance"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": "which he was trained to do."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "He said the 12 left in 1965 and came"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "back in 78."}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "He was there to check them after they"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "returned to this planet Earth. I didn't"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "know what to think about my dad's story"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "back then. I just listened to him and"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "thought maybe he was just making this"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "up. But now I realize he was telling the"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "truth. It's too late for my father to"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "know about this. But I know my father"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "was being truthful to me and that makes"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "me feel good. I look forward to reading"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "more about this incredible story. Since"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "this email describes the last training"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "component for the remaining 12, I"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "believe that it is safe to conclude the"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "final team composition consisted"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "entirely of men."}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "Tindle Air Force Base was originally an"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "air gunnery station base during World"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "War II, hosting allied as well as"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "American pilots. One of its famous"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "alumni was Clark Gable, who graduated in"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "1943. After the war, Tindall became a"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "general air weapons training facility"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:33", "text": "and officially became an air training"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "command base in 1950. And in 57, it"}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "became part of the air defense command,"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "the ADC, which is responsible for"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "defending the continental United States"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "and its territories. 64 when the SERPO"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "team went there, it had already begun"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "training airmen for high altitude and"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "space operations. And then in ' 68, the"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "Air Defense Command officially changed"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "its name to the Aerospace Defense"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "Command. This is all fascinating jargon."}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "Um, I'm sure the likes of UAP GERB, you"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "know, would appreciate a little bit more"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "uh than I. As mentioned above by one of"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "the trainers, during the training, the"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "team members didn't know their actual"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "assignment. When the final cut was made,"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "the 12 select were sent to a military"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "prison and then told the assignment. One"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "can imagine the the reactions of the"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "trainees to this revelation. Certainly"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "they could not have imagined such an"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:28", "text": "assignment in their wildest dreams even"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "though some of the training might have"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "suggested some sort of exotic mission."}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "And then after all and after all they"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "had gone through to be confined at Fort"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "Levenworth, Kansas must have been added"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "must have added insult to injury."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "There was no doubt an attempt to imbue"}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "the team with pride and to stimulate a"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "feeling of heroism of their mission and"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "the glory they could anticipate. But"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "they must have nevertheless been shaking"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "in their boots."}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "They knew that the promise of glory was"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "a fiction and all that they could look"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "forward to was tremendous hardship and"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "an early anonymous death on a distant"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "planet or a life in long-term isolation"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "to keep them from revealing what they"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "knew."}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "So, it is not surprising"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "that one of the team members asked to be"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "excused."}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "He changed his mind when he was told"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "that he would have to remain at Fort"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "Levenworth until the team returned in 10"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "years. And folks, that is all I'm going"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "to cover today because the next chapter,"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "chapter 8,"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "we talk about the landings."}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "Oh boy, this is I got to say I am way"}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "more enthralled"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "by this story than I thought I would be."}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "Being skeptical, I think, is a natural"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "reaction to this type of story. However,"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "the amount of detail, I must say,"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "is compelling."}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "And"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "if nothing else,"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "as you know, this is extremely"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "entertaining."}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "And uh you know, I I'm someone who"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "enjoys being entertained and"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "entertaining an insane"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "um narrative is is something that I"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "enjoy doing as well. And so let me know"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "what you think so far. Have you"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "independently, perhaps some of the"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "listeners out there, have you"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "independently heard about this project?"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "Do you have any uh knowledge of this"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "project? Is there anything you would"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "like to add to this? Do you have a"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "family member that worked at one of"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "these facilities that were named"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "throughout this episode? And if so, were"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "they stationed there in the '60s?"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "you know, this is the internet now,"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "whereas back then you would have so many"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "anonymous emails, nowadays we can times"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "that by a thousand with the amount of"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "people watching this video. I would love"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "to know if there's any connection to be"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "made that hasn't been made before. And"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "if anything else rings a bell in"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "connection or conjunction to what we"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:24", "text": "have read in regards to perhaps other"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "literature that is out there, uh please"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "bring that forward and make it"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "available. um let me know. Please keep"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "the discussion going as well on the"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "Discord channel. If you are not a"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "member, you can become a member for free"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "on Discord or you can join the Area 52"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "membership and have top secret access"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "over there as well. Uh do with that what"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "you please. It is a very fun place and"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "it is a very safe place to discuss uh"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "these topics in a judgment-free"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "environment."}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "I want to thank you for listening. Thank"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "you for 101 episodes."}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "Um, you're all very kind and uh I look"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "forward to continuing this story. Next"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:07", "text": "week, we won't be taking a break. We're"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "going to go right into this story once"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "again and uh bring you part two of the"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "secret journey to planet Serpo."}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "Peace and love."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "This book shouldn't exist. Let me tell"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "you why. This book is the 1947 Roswell"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Air Force Base yearbook. The story goes,"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "right after the crash, the military"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "ordered every single one [music] of"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "these copies to be retrieved and"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "destroyed. Why would they destroy such a"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "book, you might ask? Well, that's"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "because the world's entire press was"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "about to show up, and this was basically"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "a phone book to every officer who worked"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "at Roswell in 1947. And apparently it"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "wasn't just yearbooks that they"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "destroyed either. One airman who's"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "actually in here, Milton [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Sprouse, said officers went around"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "collecting copies of the local"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "newspaper, but a few copies, including"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "this one, have survived. Let's go"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "through a few pages, shall we? First"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "off, we got Colonel William Butch"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "Blanchard, base commander. And this is"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "the 509th bombing wing, the only atomic"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "bomb unit on the planet. These are the"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "guys that dropped the bombs on Japan and"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "ended World War II. Well, on July 8th,"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Blanchard orders a press release telling"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "the world that they've recovered a"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "flying disc. And get this, his own PR"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "officer later confirms that there's no"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "way that Blanchard mistook this for a"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "weather balloon. Somehow,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "simultaneously, Blanchard's career goes"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "absolutely interstellar. He becomes a"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "four-star general, vice chief of staff"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "of the entire Air Force. Then,"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "mysteriously in 1966, has a heart attack"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "at the age of 50 at the Pentagon. Next"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "up, Major Jesse Marcel, intelligence"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "[music] officer. He apparently loads the"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "debris on a B29 and flies it to Fort"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "Worth. But 31 years later, he finally"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "talks."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> All I could do is keep a mouth shut."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": ">> He tells researcher Stanton Freeman that"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "the stuff he picked up wasn't from this"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "earth."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> You couldn't even bend it. You couldn't"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "bet at it. Even with a sledgehammer"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "would bounce off it."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> And the balloon junk that he's posing"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "with on these famous photos. He said"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "that that's not what they found."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> And General Raymond is the one who told"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "the newspapers what it was. And forget"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "about it. It was nothing more than a"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "well observation balloon. Of course,"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "wish we we both knew differently."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> And that general, Brigadier General"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "Roger Remy, 8th Air Force, Roswell's"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "boss pretty much. In fact, the same"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "afternoon that Roswell announced, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "god, it's a flying disc,\" Remy goes in"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "front of the cameras and says, \"No, no,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "it's a weather balloon. It's it's just a"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "weather balloon. Everybody calm down."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "It's it's a weather balloon.\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "except Ramy's own chief of staff, Dose"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "later said that the weather balloon was"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "just a story to get rid of the press."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> It was a cover [music] story. We don't"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "have any more inquiries about what we"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "picked up on the desert."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> And finally, Lieutenant Walter Halt, the"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "PR guy, the guy who put this book"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "together. He's also the one who typed up"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "the Flying Disc press release. He later"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "leaves Roswell, but decades later"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "co-founds the UFO museum in town. He"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "says that morning Remy was right there"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "at Roswell in [music] a staff meeting"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "talking about the cover up and he says"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "he saw it himself, the craft and the"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "bodies."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, uh I am very very"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "excited about tonight cuz we got a"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "stacked a stacked card as they would say"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "in the UFC. Really good undercard, solid"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "main event. Uh you guys have been left"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "in the dark about who the guests are"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "because there are multiple guests"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "tonight. It's a really fun show. I I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "I'm glad you all made it out. You won't"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "regret it. Um but to begin, I do want to"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "bring some friends out here. Really"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "close friends of mine actually. Uh some"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "of my closest friends in this space and"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "they've been really uh welcoming and"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "they've been like brothers to me. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "one of them has a successful YouTube"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "channel on sort of consciousness and"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "philosophy and the other one is a"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "sixtime"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "US memory champion."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Wild. So, we're going to have some"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "really good conversations to get us"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "started. Ladies and gentlemen, please"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "put your hands together for none other"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "than Michael Phillip from Third Eye"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "Drops and Nelson Delos. [applause]"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> [applause and cheering]"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": ">> Grab a seat, folks. Grab a seat. Any of"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "those? I'm over here. Ah, let's get"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "comfy. Don't mind this the Brazer sign"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "back there."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "I'll tell you about it later."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "Ah, this is nice. This is nice. This"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "feels like I'm in like my living room"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "here. It's very comfortable."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Very cozy. So, um, in a nutshell, in a"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "small nutshell, we'll start with Nelson."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "Can you I mean, you're an inspiration to"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "me. I met you years ago when I was doing"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "magic stuff and I was like desperate to"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "like increase my skill in magic and I"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "saw you on a Netflix special and then I"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "reached out to you because you had done"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "these insane memory feats. Like he this"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "guy's memorized he he'll be humble about"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "it, but he's memorized like 10,000"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "digits of pi."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Wow. Like to give you to give you like a"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "small hint on how hard that is just to"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "say the numbers. It it it could take"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "them up to 3 hours."}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> Yeah. It's not fun."}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> It's not fun. So, strap yourselves in"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "cuz"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> How much time we got? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> Uh Nelson, tell us about what you do."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": ">> Yeah. So, my uh whole stick is I learned"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "how to memorize things. I never really"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "had a good memory. My grandmother um"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "passed away from Alzheimer's uh which"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "was unfortunate and a whole thing our"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "family went through. But that was what"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "inspired me to start working on my own"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "memory. I didn't know what that meant,"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "but I discovered that there are memory"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "championships and uh that people who"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "compete in them train their memories. I"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "never thought that was a thing, but I"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "was curious and learned how to do it and"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "took it to the nth level. Yeah. And here"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "we are. And you are uh you won which"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "memory championship? 2025."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": ">> The most recent was 24."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> 24. Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> And then I stopped."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": ">> And then you stopped."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> Any plans on cuz you said you'd stop"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "after five. I know. And then you you did"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "it again."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> I don't know if you were back there when"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "I said it, but uh I'm going to compete"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "in two weeks at the 26 championship."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Thank you, Nelson. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Uh and this here is Michael Phillip. Uh"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> [applause]"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> needs no introduction. Also has a great"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "memory. Um, but for esoteric and deep"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "philosophical western esotericism and"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "and a bunch of other wonder nuggets."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Tell the audience for those of you who"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "don't know about third eye drops what it"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "is you do."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> Oh my god. Well, is this is it on? Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "this is on, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> Yes. Let's play it. I mean, what Chris"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "said, I think is a pretty good"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "introduction. And all of that leaves"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "into this topic of high weirdness and"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "UFOs in a way that I love talking about"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "and I can't really help myself from"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "talking about it over and over again."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "And it's funny that you call what you do"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "a shtick because it's really like the"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "furthest thing from a stick."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> Like if that's a stick, I don't know"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "what the hell I do. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Yeah, he's got an actual skill that he's"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "developed. Like his brain is so huge."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> Um this is really fascinating. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "you guys you guys have you've not done"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "each other's like you haven't been on"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "his podcast, right? But it needs to"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "happen for sure."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Yeah, definitely needs to happen. Um you"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "know what's interesting? there is like a"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "correlation here while we're just like"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "chatting away and before we get moving"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "on but there is a correlation because"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "like I know in there's a book called"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "Moonwalking with Einstein which is a"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "great book Josh Fer and it's this uh"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "yeah all right Josh is here um and"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "there's a there there's it's this guy's"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "a sports journalist who learns about u"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "memory athletes and then tries to"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "compete and takes a year to practice and"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "then enters the national memory"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "championship and wins it and he writes a"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "book about it it's amazing but in there"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "he talks about the history of memory"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "and how it goes back to like the Greeks"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "as well, which you're very interested"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "in. So, I thought that was like a"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": ">> interesting connection there."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> Yeah. And I mean back when I learned"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "about that I that that was the one story"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "you'd always hear about the genesis of"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "memory techniques that there was this"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "tale of Simonades was in a hall and uh"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "he he stepped out for a moment and the"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "whole thing came crashing down and when"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "they were trying to identify the bodies"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "of the people who were around the table"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "um he used his memory and imagined their"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "locations and that's kind of what the"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "the the classic memory tool that we use"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "called the memory palace is based on."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "And so it goes back to the Greeks, but"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "it goes even further back than that. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "I didn't know that until, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "last few years when I discovered that,"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "but you know, the Greeks use it. Um"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "civilizations before that used it"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "because they had to keep progressing"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "their their their stories, their song"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "lines, and it was all through memory."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": ">> Very interesting. And now we don't need"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "it because we have phones. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "throw it out. It's not going to serve"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "you. Uh we got AI slop. Um, we got vibe"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "coding. Who needs memory? Speaking of"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "which, do you guys like this uh little"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "interactive thing we got going on?"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "It's pretty cool. Um, something you"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "might not know about Nelson as well, if"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "you follow my channel, you might. But,"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "um, this is actually something we all"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "have in common is Nelson first of all"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "got me. He is the reason I started Area"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "52. Uh, which is very cool. like we were"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "talking about uh remote viewing um and"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "how so he was it's a very strange story"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "but uh somebody reached out to him on a"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Facebook group that he was on a memory"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "group and it was like this guy"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "recruiting people for like some hedge"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "fund who wanted to train people to"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "remote view the stock market"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": ">> memory athletes specific"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> memory athletes specifically and so"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "instantly I was like whoa like that's so"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "compelling you know you're putting money"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "you're putting an actual number on this"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "thing that I thought was not real and"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Um, and they taught him and he did"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "fairly well. He had some like incredible"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "hits and then he taught me and I got so"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "fascinated that I documented my journey"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "and I was going to post it on like my"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "magic channel and I was like this isn't"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "for them. This is they're not going to"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "like it, you know, and they're not going"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "to understand. They're not going to go"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "deep enough. They're not going to go"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "into the research and so I started area"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "52 and like so you're directly"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "responsible for for the channel. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": ">> thank you."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Thank you, Nelson. [applause]"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "And that was a huge catalyst for me,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "too, because who who's been watching"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Area 52 since the beginning, by the way."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> Yeah, [cheering]"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "those I want Chris to bring back those"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "early investigations because I"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "absolutely loved watching these two go"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "down that rabbit hole of remote viewing."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "And that's actually what led me to reach"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "out to Chris and ask him to come on my"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "show. And then that led to me going to"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "Monroe Institute and both of us sort of"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "having out of body experiences and you"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "having out of body experiences. So yeah,"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "there's yeah, some interesting overlaps."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Yeah, there's like a there's like an"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "interesting energy here that brought us"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "all together and I'm very happy that"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> we uh we did make it here. Um speaking"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "of which, there is another interesting"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "energy uh that we've attracted and"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "that's all of you. And I've asked you uh"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "in an email to, you know, provide me"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "with perhaps an experience that some of"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "you have been through and a lot of you"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "came through ton of submissions. So I"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "want to thank you first of all for all"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "of that. That's incredibly um I mean"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "it's not lost on me that like it takes a"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "lot to like share that and volunteer"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "yourself, you know, to be uh to be a"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "guest on this show. And I believe uh"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "somebody who we chose is here tonight."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "I'm looking. Yep. And uh what is the"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "gentleman's name? Um Yonyi"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "or Christ"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Salvatore. That's right. Salvatore is"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "here tonight. Sorry, I forgot the name."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "There's uh I read through I think 30"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "submissions like literally some of you"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "some of you wrote [clears throat] me a"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "whole chapter uh but uh very compelling"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "you know nonetheless I'd interview all"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "of you. So thank you so much for"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "everybody just actually putting"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "yourselves out there. Uh but I would"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "love to bring out our guest a local from"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Oregon that has a story to tell. Let's"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "give it up for Salvador. [applause]"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> [applause and music]"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> Keep it going for Salvatore, everybody."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> You prefer Salvador or Salvatore? Am I"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "saying it wrong?"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Salvatore or just Sal?"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:16", "text": ">> Or just Sal? I like S. Sal seems like a"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "chill guy. Um, Salvatore. S. Um, you had"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "a really compelling story. You actually"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "have like a lot of history with the"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "phenomenon, it seems like. And I I I"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "want to get into everything, but uh you"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "know, obviously might have to be a"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "separate episode."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": ">> Understandable."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": ">> Yes. But I would like you there's a"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "story right at the top um that you told"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "and I would love if you could share that"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "with the audience tonight."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> Yes. It was September 30th um 2023"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "um driving on Route 99 between Eugene,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Oregon and McMinnville, Oregon, where I"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "live."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Shout out McMinnville"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> two-lane highway."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "We had just got done doing a full moon"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "ritual with some friends"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "don't gloss over that. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "The hell does that mean? Like what is"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "this? I just like did you turn into a"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "werewolf? I don't know what that means."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "What is a fulman ritual if you if you"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "don't mind? For me,"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:25", "text": ">> it's goddessor orientated. And I have"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> a minimum of 15 years of western"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "esoteric magic behind me."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Amazing."}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> And at least 5 years of shakta tantra"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "behind me."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Which I had no choice to go towards"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "because as you discover what you're"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "supposed to do on this planet, that's"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "what you should do."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> Incredible. Very cool."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Still not sure what what the ritual is,"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "but yeah, let's let's move on."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:12:00", "text": ">> So, we're driving um north on 99 99W"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "it's called,"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "I notice at a certain point there is a"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "vehicle tailing me extremely hard with"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "one headlight."}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "And um you know I'm I always have a"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "mantra on my mind while I drive. Though"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "it's a dangerous thing to do because"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "driving is not the time to go into any"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "kind of a trans state or anything like"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "that. You know, you need to focus on the"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "road. But that's just a it's a mindful"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "practice to always stay present. And and"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "I I bring that up because that's my"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "life. You know, that's what I do. But"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "anyhow, um I'm driving my wife Natalie,"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "who is here next to me, to my right in"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "the passenger seat."}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> It's dark out,"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> close to midnight between 11 and 12."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> And to the right,"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "out of nowhere, uh there's there's a"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "vehicle behind me like tailing me really"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "hard. And just when I get to the point"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "where I'm like, man, something doesn't"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "seem right. Like, does this person want"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "to kill us? You know,"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:18", "text": ">> all of a sudden, a extremely bright"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "green with a tiny bit of purple, but"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "predominantly green, what looked like a"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "comet"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> exploded"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "ex"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "um the meteor showers."}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> Yeah, the pades. Yeah, like the meteor"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "streak across."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": ">> This was big, close. It should have hit"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "the ground."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "It lit everything up like the whole"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "inside of the vehicle. And what appeared"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "from it instead of smashing into the"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "ground was a silver"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "classic shaped flying saucer which"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "somewhat looked like that but more"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "seamless. Wow. More perfect. Um and it"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "had all white lights flashing around it."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "I'm not good with noticing heights like"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "100 ft, 300 feet, but if I had to guess,"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "I'd say 100's too low,"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "400's too high, maybe a couple hundred"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "feet to start."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Just to our right,"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "the whole situation lasted about a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "minute, which that's a long time."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": ">> That's a very long time. Yeah. And I I"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "don't think it left our view till we"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "just couldn't see it anymore because,"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "you know, it's it's very pastoral that"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "drive, but you get pockets of trees, a"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "lot of farmland,"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "and it"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "slowly hovered"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "towards, you know, our right away from"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "us, starting very close to our right"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "side."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "man,"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "you know, as"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "soon as that happened, also"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "I noticed that that vehicle was not"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "behind me anymore. And and that was very"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "strange to me, you know, like what"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "happened to the vehicle."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": ">> and that was a single light behind you,"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:24", "text": ">> A single light."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": ">> That that and it was like a car from the"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "1980s. I don't know what."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Interesting. You know,"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> the so the disc is in this clearing as"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "you're moving past like these farmland,"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "these trees. It's a silver disc. What"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "time of day is is it again?"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> It's between 11 and 12 at night."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:43", "text": ">> Okay. So, it's pretty dark, but you're"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "seeing it illuminated because of the"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "lights that are on it"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:52", "text": ">> because of the white flashing lights"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "that are flashing in a circular all"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "around it."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": ">> You know, and"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "it was to be more ex I mean, I have"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "pinpoint location. I can point to you on"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "a map where where this happened and you"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "know it was on Route 99 just past"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "Monroe, Oregon which is a town of a few"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "hundred people. I mean"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> yeah. Wow."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "I mean give it up for S here. That's an"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "[applause] amazing sighting."}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "what did you do in that moment? Did you"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "feel like I need to pull over? I need to"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "keep going. Were you like what was that"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "like? What was the reaction and what"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "happened after that?"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": ">> There was definitely an adrenaline spike"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "when it happened. I mean I don't care"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "how much meditation you do."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Uh you know this was very nuts and bolts"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "on the ground and I'm driving. You know"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "I don't care how many astral experiences"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "you have um conscious outside of the"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "body. You're driving. you you've got to"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "be focused. So, and and I think that's"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "what was out of all the amazing"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "experiences I've had outside of being"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "right here in the body, this was just so"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "amazing. And"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "my wife didn't want to talk about it at"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "first,"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": ">> you know. She was just like, I I need to"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "process this, you know. Um and I said,"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "look, we've got to talk about it, you"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "know. And"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "I mean there's I mean the conversations"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "have not ceased in our small household."}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> I bet."}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": ">> Does uh is she here with tonight? Is"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "she?"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": ">> She is. Oh, nice. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": ">> Good job. Shout out to the plus on's by"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "the way."}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": ">> Great time to call out the plus on's."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "Thank you plus twos. Everybody joining"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "who's been dragged here against their"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "will. [laughter] So we appreciate you."}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "We really do. and you know just suspend"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "all the things that you have in your"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "mind, the preconceived notions, hang out"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "with us in this weird little, you know,"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "space. Thank you. But uh yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "really that's really remarkable. But uh"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "Michael, do you have a question?"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, two things come to mind for"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "me right away is despite the fact that"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "it was nuts and bolts, do you think the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "fact that you were doing this ritual or"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "the fact that it was a full moon could"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "have something to do with it? Like it it"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "makes me think of like you know John"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "Keel talking about window areas or there"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "being like these times where the veil is"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "thinner where things may be able to like"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "poke through or something. Did you get"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "that kind of a sense?"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:37", "text": ">> Absolutely. Because"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "yeah there's no doubt about it that you"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "know and you know I was kind of when I"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "told this story to Muon when they"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "interviewed me"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": ">> Oh you reported this? I did. Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": ">> Very cool. Okay."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": ">> It took a little courage, you know, like"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "it it took me a little time."}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": ">> Good for you. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": ">> But it was like I couldn't get through"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "the interview without bringing up"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "bringing up my spiritual work cuz I"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "spend a lot of time in the temple space."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "You know, I sacrifice fun times for"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "that. But the temple space becomes fun"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "times even though it seems boring. But"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "there's just no doubt about it. And I've"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "had prior experiences, you know, that"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "that kind of prove that. And I I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "could literally talk all day if I get"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "too much into that. But the short answer"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "is definitely yes."}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> So the the the moon has something to do"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "with thinning the veil. Is that"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": ">> Well, I mean, that's kind of just like"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "common lore, right? That like when it's"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "a full moon, there's like sort of a"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": ">> Yes. That the moon, but also do you do"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "you only do ritual during the full moon?"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:46", "text": ">> Or no. No. Do you do you do ritual? Do"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "you sit there as boring as it is and do"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "it when you don't feel like it? How much"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "energy and time do you put into it? And"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "these things do thin the veil. So it's"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "like you you can't stop these practices,"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "you know, the the the building of the"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "astral body and learning what that is is"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "only the beginning. You can't stop, you"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "know. It it has to go on. before. Was"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "there anything leading up before that"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "big event? Was there any small things"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "that evening that were like off or"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "different?"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "Well, as I've slightly alluded to or"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "somewhat alluded to, it's like yes,"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "it's part of my life to do these"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "practices and it's led to experiencing"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "that reality is more than just us"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "sitting here with these physical objects"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "right now. But"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "that phenomenon with the UFO is the last"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "thing I expected to come out of this,"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "you know? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": ">> yeah. Yeah. You're expecting something"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "perhaps non-physical to interact with"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "you or something maybe a little more"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "subtle uh synchronicity or something"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "perhaps not a physical nuts andbolt"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "silver disc. That's pretty I mean that's"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "Yeah, but it has I I agree. I think you"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "know it would be all too strange for it"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "not to be related. Do you know what I"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "mean? It makes more sense in this case"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "that it is related. I would I would"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "think."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": ">> I was going to ask, you know, it's been"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "three years, right, since that happened."}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "Afterwards, were there any other notable"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "kind of somewhat seemingly relatable"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "events that happened? Maybe after is a"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "residual effect. I don't"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": ">> Absolutely. And without even getting"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "into that second incident,"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "um just on that drive for one,"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": ">> okay,"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:40", "text": ">> there have been more than one experience"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "of us both seeing simultaneously"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "white or green orbs vertically shooting"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "out of the sky straight down and they"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "would disappear behind trees."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "Also, well, maybe this is getting a"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "little too far into the weeds here, but"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "I mean, we're in the right spot. These"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "are the weeds people. We are the We are"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "people of the weed,"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "both in perhaps metaphorical and, you"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "know, literal sense. I This is Portland."}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "There was an evening at home after a"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "night of ritual and offerings in my own"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "home temple space that I then laid down"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "and continued with my mantra work. And a"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "lot of things that happened"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "for me astrally are between the point of"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "wake and sleep. A lot of other people"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "it's after that four or five hours where"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "you hit the cycle. For me, it's that"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "point between wake and sleep."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "And I'm doing my mantra, which is"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "Sanskrit, feminine Sanskrit, Beija"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "words, basically. I won't say what they"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "are."}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "I won't understand it, so it's all good."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "I don't speak Sanskrit, but yeah, go"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "ahead."}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:04", "text": ">> And I become conscious in that in"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "between space, and I'm seeing through my"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "ceiling. And I knew I was seeing through"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "the ceiling of my bedroom because there"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "was about onethird of the ceiling to my"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "left left. So it I wasn't hovering"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "outside of the roof. I was still like"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "level with my bed, my consciousness."}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "And I look up in the sky and I see what"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "looks like a white star. It's dark,"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "right? And I say to myself in this state"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "of of lucidity, right? Oh, it's a star."}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "As soon as I said that, it moved and"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "came closer to me and got bigger. And"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "then just to the left of it, one of"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "those white orbs"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "shot down right next to it. So, that"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "brought a lot together. That was a"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "moment of bringing my spiritual work"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "together with this phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": ">> Right. what you had seen with your eyes"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "in the objective physical realm, you had"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "now also had some non-physical"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "confirmation of what that was."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:07", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> Very cool. So, do do you believe that"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "that that thing that went down in the in"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "the in the physical projection of it was"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "some type of spiritual or non-physical"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "thing sort of bleeding into this"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "reality? Is that fair to say?"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": ">> It is. It's exactly what I'm getting at."}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:29", "text": ">> And And what do you think that is?"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "Well, it's definitely intelligent. Uh, I"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "can't say exactly what it is. I could"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "speak with a little bit more certainty"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "of my actual spiritual work than this,"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "but even though it's bleeding into that."}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:46", "text": ">> Um, it's intelligent."}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "Likely much more intelligent than I am."}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": ">> Um, that's for sure. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": ">> Incredible. You're a very fascinating"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "person, Salvador. I give it up for this"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "guy. I mean, [applause]"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "yeah, I'm very interested in everything"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "you're saying. You have obviously so"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "much to share. Do you have somewhere"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "where uh uh people could contact you if"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "they wanted to or if they wanted to know"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "more about your practices? Is that"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "something you share or is that something"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "you keep close to the chess like?"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:21", "text": ">> Um I I don't have any like channels to"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "reach me. Um um but I do have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "experience with um uh cabala and"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "archangelic planetary magic. That was my"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "western practice. If you had to direct"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "someone like me who's a complete like"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "layman muggle in this world, uh I'm very"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "like I've barely dipped my toes into any"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "of that. You've probably gone a lot"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "deeper, you know, obviously on a lot of"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "this than I have. Where would you direct"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "me to start learning about this? Like"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "where would I go?"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:52", "text": ">> Well, that's a that's a big question."}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:55", "text": ">> that's why I asked it."}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:56", "text": ">> There's so many books to read. Like, you"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "know, and and"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": ">> I don't have a classical education."}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "Like, I spent years like I would break"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "up my sleep"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:08", "text": ">> and read these books and do ritual and"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "I'd like wake up. I'd sleep for three"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "hours and and"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "um there's a lot of books, you know,"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "Francis Barrett, the mages, the mages."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "Um uh uh the Heptoon was with the the"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "you know, the first three books of oult"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "philosophy. The fourth book is the one"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "that the heptoron's in. But there's just"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "so much like you need to build a"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "library. I actually still read physical"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "books. Not um"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": ">> Yeah, same."}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:45", "text": ">> Physical audio books."}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:49", "text": ">> No. Yeah. No, I love reading, too."}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:53", "text": ">> It it has to be it has to be a passion."}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "It has to be something you tr you truly"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "want to need to know that there's more"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "to this planet than what they're trying"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "to get us to believe it is. I think"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "you're on to something, S. Ladies and"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "gentlemen, please, [applause] a warm"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "round of applause for this very brave"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "man. Awesome story. Thank you [applause]"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "so much. Can I give you a hug, sir?"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "Thank you, man."}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "Give it up for S, guys. Come on."}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "Wow. Wow. [applause]"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "Look at us starting off with all the all"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "the layups, all the easy stuff,"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "[laughter] right? Easing into it. No,"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "flying saucers. I mean, this was 2023,"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "I think he said, or Yeah, 23."}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:45", "text": ">> Flying."}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "That's why he's here."}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": ">> That's why we brought him. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "What's the 800th number of pi? All"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "right. Sorry. Um,"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": ">> seven. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:00", "text": ">> They're not going to look it up. Um,"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:01", "text": ">> is is it though?"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:02", "text": ">> One in 10 chance."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": ">> One in 10. Um, no, but like it is wild"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "because you don't hear very much about"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "flying saucers,"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "you know, in the 2020s and on. And so"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "I'm I'm very happy to know that they're"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "still here. That's like that sustains"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "me. Uh, what do you guys make of this?"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:24", "text": ">> I wonder why I never have those"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "experiences."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:27", "text": ">> I would love to have that experience."}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": ">> but you've had like astral experiences,"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": ">> but not a nuts and bolt thing like that."}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "As a kid, I always grew up wanted to see"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "the craft a craft of something, you"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:43", "text": ">> I've definitely seen some, you know,"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": ">> questionable shapes and lights and"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "stuff, but"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Who? There was somebody who said"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "this. It was on one of these recent"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "shows that we did. I forget who it was,"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "but it was like, if you're not sure that"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "it's a UFO, then it's probably not a"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "UFO. And I and I I I tend to side with"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "that, right? Because if I see a light"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "doing a movement and it's like a it's a"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "triangle or something, it's like, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "I don't know what that is. I can I can"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "tell you what it's not, but I don't know"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "all the variables. And so I'm always"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "there's always a part of me that's like"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "h I just my mind can't go to that's"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "definitively an alien or whatever. But a"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "flying saucer is one of those things"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "where I'd be like yeah that's it. That's"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "it. That's the one. That's undeniable."}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:31", "text": ">> But you had a a triangle go over your"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "house."}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": ">> Montreal, right?"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Um but again, you know,"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:40", "text": ">> military there's like you know what I"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "mean? Like I have a I have a sneaking"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "feeling and not maybe not all of them,"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "you know, because there are um you know"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "Bashar Daryl Ananka, I interviewed him"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "in in Los Angeles a few nights ago and"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "his encounters in 73 of which there was"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "two was the same triangular craft"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "witnessed by multiple people with like"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "the lights on the ends and the one in"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "the middle. And you know, part of me"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "thinks that like in 5 10 years from now"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "or maybe 2027 or whatever, like"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "government's going to say ah it was us"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "and it's going to like kind of negate"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "everybody's sighting even though maybe"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "some of those triangles are not the"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "government but I feel like that's what's"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "going to happen. It's kind of like the"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "stealth bomber like you know there was"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "like legend of like this you know"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "anomalous undetectable craft but yeah"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "you know what that makes me think of"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "like the closest link has anyone read"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "secret machines the first book the gods"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "book um that's one of the ones Lenda did"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "and there's a whole chapter in that book"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "about the relationship between like"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "western esoteric magic and the flying"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "saucer and he makes a direct um you know"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "correspondence between like the magic"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "circle and the flying saucer. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "going to get parts of this rap wrong,"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "but it's something to the effect of like"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "maybe the flying saucer is some kind of"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "manifestation of the magic circle,"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "whether it's like someone doing rituals"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "in our dimension or someone in a"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "different dimension doing rituals that"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "they're like"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:05", "text": ">> or someone in a car doing a ritual."}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "So, I mean, you know, you see like the"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "2D versions of these magic circles in"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "these grimoars like the heptaron or like"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "Lesser Key of Solomon or like whatever."}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "And it's kind of like the idea of, you"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "know, you're you're within that space"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "when you're doing this ritual. And"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "that's like keeping you protected with"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "like angelic names and secret names of"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "God and stuff like that. But maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "also like projecting something somewhere"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "else and it's manifesting some kind of"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "saucery manifestation. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:39", "text": ">> Yeah, you would think"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:40", "text": ">> the one thing that sure is I don't know."}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:42", "text": ">> Yeah, but you would think there'd be"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "they'd look more gothic in that case. I"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "feel like they would be less uh"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "mid-century modern."}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:48", "text": ">> Yeah, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:50", "text": ">> that is true."}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> They look very like Swedish design like"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "these things or something. You know what"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "I mean? Like"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:58", "text": ">> Yeah, like Scandinavian UFOs or"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "[laughter] the like I mean this sports"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "model, you know what I mean? Like this"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "thing was a like when I first saw that"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "craft like even like the Billy Meyer"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "photos, it's like it's a beautiful"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "vehicle. Like it's a be like objectively"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "it's a beautiful design like this is"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "like the Lamborghini. This is like the"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "classic car of UFOs, you know. So"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "whoever if it was them that designed it."}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "There is um there is design. They have"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "culture unless it's completely based on"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "just geometrics and I'm wrong and then"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "that's why it's appealing to me. I don't"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:36", "text": ">> It's timeless too, right? like you know"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "those the same pictures that we have"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "from the early"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:39", "text": ">> 40s and 50s."}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:41", "text": ">> Y"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:42", "text": ">> the same like it still feels like"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "futuristic."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:45", "text": ">> It does. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:47", "text": ">> From somewhere else, you know."}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:48", "text": ">> Yeah, it does. Still has that Jetson's"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "vibe to it. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": ">> I always uh side note, I always um I"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "hated the way that in the Jetsons they"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "had like"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "they had a remote that did everything."}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "It just had one red button on it. And"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "like that was the future I wanted."}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "And now I have a remote with 300 buttons"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "on it. And I have like a a 20page"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "leaflet on what my remote does. And it"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "opens up a menu with 400 other buttons"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "on it. I'm like, this is not what we"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "were promised."}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:22", "text": ">> No, that was not what we signed up for."}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:24", "text": ">> We want the metal button with a little"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "antenna, you know, the little red"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "button, and you just does everything. It"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "washes you. All right. Anyway, so I"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "digress. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:32", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:35", "text": ">> I was going to ask Michael, have you"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "ever had an experience in the sky?"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:39", "text": ">> Not like that, you know, and and oddly"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "enough, the one the closest thing I've"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "had to a UFO experience, it's not that"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "exciting of a story, so I'll tell it in"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "like the shortest version. It's that"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "light that I saw above Monroe Institute"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "that I think I told you about. like it"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "and it's so weird that it happened"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "there, but um within probably 15 minutes"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "of getting to Monroe Institute for"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "anyone that's seen pictures or has been"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "there, there's like this big rose quartz"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "and people are just kind of attracted to"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "this rose quartz because it's a big"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "novel thing and you know it's supposed"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "to have these um great properties to it"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "so you want to be close to it. Um so"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "long story short, me and two other"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "participants are standing out there. we"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "had just met and we all see this like"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "just a light in the sky that sort of"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "looks like a star or something but it's"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "the middle of the day but then it goes"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "away and then it reappears like a little"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "bit further like in a different"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "direction but it's clearly the same"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "thing and this just happened like three"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "or four times and I actually did film it"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "but it just it doesn't look like that"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "much on your phone but but yeah that was"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "strange that's like the one thing I've"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "seen that I truly don't know what it was"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "and I I can't explain what it was but it"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "just was really like a light that was"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "behaving strange and like disappearing"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "appearing and reappearing. Yeah. And and"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "you know what the thing that strikes me"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "about those particular sightings cuz"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "I've had a few of those as well is"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "what makes them so special is the"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "timing. You know, if I'm just out there,"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "you know, seeing something in my car and"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "I that's a weird light or whatever,"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "that's one thing. But when you're"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "actively like like you said, you're near"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "this crystal mon certain energy. Um, you"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "know, after last year, it was like a few"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "weeks after my father passed, and I was"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "with my I was with my brother, my"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "younger brother, and I was going home,"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "and at the time he was living beside me."}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "We pull up in our driveway at the same"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "time. We get out and I said, \"Hey, what"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "were you doing?\" He goes, \"I was just"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "going through dad's stuff, you know. We"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "were like going through his, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "old stuff.\" And I was like, \"Oh, cool.\""}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "And as I'm talking to him, I see a flash"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "behind his like his head. And I go,"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "\"Dude, I just saw like something in the"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "sky flash.\" And both of us walk into the"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "middle of the street where we get like a"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "better view of the sky and we're just"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "kind of standing there sort of"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "reminiscing and I literally and like I"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "haven't shared this and I I filmed this"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "video. It's wild. Um to me and I go, you"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "know, hey dad, if you're there, show us"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "something and I'm I'm not kidding. This"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "light just appears on the horizon and it"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "starts getting bigger, but it looks like"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "it's coming towards us and it's like"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "lower than like a satellite or a plane."}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "It's much bigger. And I'm like scared."}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "And I turn to my brother. I'm like, \"You"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "seen it?\" My brother's very skeptical of"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "this stuff. And he's like, \"Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "Oh, oh my god. Oh my god.\" And I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "\"Yeah.\" And I I pull my phone out and"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "he's like, \"Yeah, good thinking. Good"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "thinking.\" He didn't even think to get"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "his phone. I'm like, \"I'm going to get"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "my phone.\" And I I start filming this"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "and it's like kind it's it's big. It's a"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "big light. And then all of a sudden it"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "starts going up and then it kind of"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "fizzles out. And we were both there. My"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "brother to this day will be like, \"Dude,"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "I don't believe in this stuff.\""}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "But that that was real. Like that was"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "real. He does. And I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "that is. But again, on video, you see a"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "light that gets brighter and it goes up,"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "but it's like okay. Do you know what I"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "mean? It's like unimpressive. But it's"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "the timing of like asking for it. I was"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "in a a very like emotional state. So is"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "he. And like it happened then. So it"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "felt it like amplified it for me. But"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "yeah, it's on video. you're going to be"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "like, \"What is that?\" You know, that's"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "kind of how it is. Um,"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "I think it's time we bring out our first"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "guest for the night. You guys don't know"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "who. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "Um, our no um"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "our guest here uh tonight is someone who"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "is become a very dear friend of mine."}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "He's an amazing person. Uh he's very"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "knowledgeable. I had him on the podcast"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "recently and um he is uh he's a creative"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "person. He's a director. He's someone"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "who"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "works uh very closely with Bob Lazar."}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "This is uh my good friend, director of"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "S4, the Bob Lazar story, Luigi Vendetti."}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "Guys, give it up."}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "[cheering and applause]"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:03", "text": ">> [applause]"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": ">> Have a seat, Luigi."}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:23", "text": ">> Very, very happy to have you here,"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "Luigi. Um, thank you for having me."}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:30", "text": ">> What's What's so, it's so funny. Um,"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "So funny with Luigi because you know"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "we've been friends for a few years now."}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "We live actually like 40 minutes away"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "and so we're always hanging out and you"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "know talking to each other, calling each"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "other and uh when I asked you to come on"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "the podcast, you've been on before and"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "I've interviewed you before and we"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "talked about you know all sorts of stuff"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "Bob and whatever. But you I knew you had"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "a story."}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:55", "text": ">> Um that no one else knew about."}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "And I was like,"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:01", "text": ">> \"Unless you were drinking wine with him"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "at Contact of the Dead.\""}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:05", "text": ">> That's right. You heard the story, too."}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:07", "text": ">> That's right. I remember that."}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:08", "text": ">> The closer. Have you Did you You heard"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "it, too, didn't you?"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:10", "text": ">> No, I heard it on the podcast."}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:11", "text": ">> On the podcast."}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:12", "text": ">> I've heard pieces of it."}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:16", "text": ">> But not in full until then."}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": ">> It's one of those things where like when"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "he started telling me this, we were"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "there for like 5 hours going through"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "this like story and I was like, \"This is"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "blowing.\" It's like the Da Vinci Code."}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:28", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:29", "text": ">> Yeah. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:30", "text": ">> So, you're going to go ahead and tell a"}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "story. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:36", "text": ">> Okay. No. No."}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:37", "text": ">> What was that response like?"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> I have for you."}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": ">> Yeah. That's what we talked about. I I"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "didn't know we were going to talk about"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "that when I when you invited me on the"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "show. So, I went on the podcast. We were"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "supposed to have a conversation. The"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "film was just out. Yeah. the Bob Lazar"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "film was just out. So I'm like, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "we're gonna talk about that and you cut"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "it off pretty fast.\" You said, \"All"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "right, enough about Bob."}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "I want to talk about what you been in.\""}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "So I was like, \"All right, you know,"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "done a lot of stuff.\" And then you"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "mentioned,"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "you know, would you be willing to talk"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "about the story with Sarah and Lily and"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "all that? And I thought, okay. And never"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "did I expect the response"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "in my entire"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "I think it's like 38 years involved in"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "this and you know finally talking about"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "this in cool environments for like maybe"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "what like four years or whatever"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "the amount of messages and and people"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "reaching out was the biggest I've it far"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "surpass past the Bob Lazar, you know,"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "film people reaching out to me. This was"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "like on another level. So, so I I called"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "Chris and I was like, \"Dude, this is"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "this is this is just insane.\" So, that"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "story hit a nerve. It definitely did."}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "How many of you watched the podcast with"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "Luigi? Round of applause. [cheering]"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "It's [applause] It's really hard to"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "abbreviate the story. And I know there"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "are a lot of plus ones that are like,"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "\"What is this story?\" Um Jeez, I don't"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "even"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:21", "text": ">> abbreviate that."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": ">> It's so hard. Um but go ahead."}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": ">> I wanted"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So you you guys are here"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "until like midnight, right? So yeah, we"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "could do that. So yeah, it's it's it's"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "the craziest story."}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:38", "text": ">> Yeah. So essentially, I mean, in a in a"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "very very tightened nutshell, Yep. I I"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "don't know for for those of you"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "actually, I do want to say something for"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "those of you who watched it. I made a"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "mistake during that podcast and I I"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "mentioned something about a cat, some"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "cat energy. A lot of people wrote about"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "that, you know, and they were and people"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "were like, \"What about the cat energy?\""}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "And I I forgot to finish my sentence"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "when we were doing that. And a lot of"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "comments were like, \"What about the"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "cat?\" So, I just want to talk about the"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "cat for a second. So, that"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:09", "text": ">> sure puts that to rest."}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Also, guys, if you haven't"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "noticed, you can participate with"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "emojis. Like, we're encouraging our"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "phones and stuff. So, you you haven't I"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "didn't mention this before and I'm"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "sorry, but like if you feel like you"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "want to like partake, throw up some"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "emojis. There you go. Look, you"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:24", "text": ">> That's cool."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": ">> There's some you don't believe in, throw"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "up a red flag. Show them a red flag. Do"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "whatever you want."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:30", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:32", "text": ">> That's cool. Yeah, I could see them"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "there. So,"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "so for all of you know the story, there"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "was a girl named Sarah that was in"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "Montreal and she was in my house and she"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "said, \"There's an energy of a cat in the"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "house.\" And I said, \"I don't I don't"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "have a cat. Never had a cat.\""}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": ">> You know, I was allergic to cats and I"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "was like, \"No, there's no cat.\" So, I"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "forgot to finish this, but after Sarah"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "left Montreal and went back to Great"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "Britain,"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "uh, the day after was Halloween. So, I"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "was in Montreal and I was driving back"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "home and I get to my house and there's a"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "cat on at my door. And this never"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "happened before. I've been living there"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "all my life and never happened before."}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "And I was like, that's weird. And this"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "it's a white cat with some black spots"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "and it's clawing at my door. And I"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "thought I wasn't thinking about Sarah. I"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "was just like, who's what's the cat? You"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "know, so I'm like, okay, you know, move"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "the cat, tried to get into my house. The"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "cat would run and try to get into the"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "house. And I'm like, no. So I moved the"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "cat, try to open the door real fast. The"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "cat really would want to like go into"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "the house. I'm like, no. So I grabbed"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "the cat, put it further away. I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "stay. I open the door and the cat ran."}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "So, I'm like, \"All right.\" So, I open"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "the door and let the cat in. Now,"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "there's a cat in my house. Now, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "thinking about Sarah. And the cat's, you"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "know, going around the house everywhere"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "figuring out what this house is. And And"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "I'm fig I'm like, freaking cat in my"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "house now. What do I do? And I'm"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "allergic to cats. So, I was like, I"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "can't have the cat along. You know, I"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "love cats, by the way. They're my"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "favorite animal, but I I'm allergic to"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "them. So, it had a collar and it had a"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "little, you know, something. And"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "there's something really funny about"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "this because my friend Lisa, who is part"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "of this story as well, nicknamed me"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "something many years back. You I think"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "you remember this. Buu. Yeah. In French"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "Canadian, this is going to sound really"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "crazy, but in French Canadian, it means"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "cabbage patch doll. Okay, now I see it."}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "And and the reason why she nicknamed me"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "Buchu is because she's 6'3 and I'm 3"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "foot six. So So she calls me Buchu."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:57", "text": ">> By the way, Lisa, if you if you remember"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "in the story, we put up a picture of her"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "as well,"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": ">> and there's a whole background with her."}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> There's a whole story she"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:04", "text": ">> 63"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "insane."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:10", "text": ">> Yeah. Stunning. looks like exactly like"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "the Nordic, you [snorts] know, type and"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "also has a wild"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:15", "text": ">> very very"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:17", "text": ">> story that maybe we'll get into one day."}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> Yeah, that's another story. And"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:24", "text": ">> and so I grabbed the cat and I I wanted"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "to read the collar and it said Buchu"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:26", "text": ">> on the collar."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:28", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:28", "text": ">> And I'm like, what are the chances of"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": ">> So I call, there's a phone number I"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "call. It's a lady that was living a few"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "blocks from my house. And I call her and"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "she says, \"Oh my god, my cat never ran"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "away. This is the first time. I can't"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "believe you found it. Please, can you"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "bring it back?\" She's an older woman. I"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "said, \"Absolutely.\" I found I can't"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "remember what I found, but I put the cat"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "and I brought her brought the cat back."}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "And I got back home and I thought that"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "was weird. And it hit me when I went"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "back home. I'm like, \"Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "That's what Sarah said. there was a cat"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "in my house. There was a cat energy. And"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "I found that just weird cuz it's like"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "why would she have said there's an"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "energy of a cat in this house when there"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "was never a that was the first cat that"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "ever came into my house? That was just"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "weird."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": ">> So very another"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:23", "text": ">> another weird part of that story. Now"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "does it does it mean anything?"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:25", "text": ">> We don't know."}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:26", "text": ">> It's probably nothing."}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:29", "text": ">> You know, it's probably nothing."}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:31", "text": ">> I'll see myself out. Sorry. That's a"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "crazy synchronicity. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:32", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:34", "text": ">> it's it's wild."}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:35", "text": ">> And and the fact that the cat's name was"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "Buchu, it's like that's"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": ">> at that time."}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:39", "text": ">> Yeah, it was weird."}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:42", "text": ">> Yeah. So, yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Synchronicities are are for me, I"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "mean, they're a wonderful way of sort of"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "living your life, I found. And, uh, I"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "think that's something that we all have"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "in common, probably a lot of you that"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "are here as well. It's like you you"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "there's the there's a dichotomy of what"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "a coincidence is on the logical side and"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "what a synchronicity is. And the beauty"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "of it is there is a duality um in this"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "comparison because the coincidence like"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "the synchronicity is by definition a"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "coincidence, right? That's what it is."}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "You're like, \"Oh, it's a coincidence.\""}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "That is the definition of a coincidence."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> But you can live your life thinking that"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "everything's a coincidence or you could"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "live your life looking at it as a"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "synchronicity. So, a coincidence but"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "with meaning. And what I found is that"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "if you decide to live this more magical"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "existence, then more magical things seem"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "to happen."}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:36", "text": ">> And and that's just been true for me."}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> And it's been it's been fun to practice."}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "Uh I want to I want to go over to Nelson"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "actually because Nelson, you have a wild"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:46", "text": ">> uh relationship with synchronicity as"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh it's it's really ramped up in"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "the last few years since kind of"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "connecting with you and this world uh a"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "little more. Um I just find dimes"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "everywhere specifically. I know my"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "brother's in the crowd and he's the most"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "skeptical person of of this kind of"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "thing. So he's like, \"Oh, anybody can"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "find a dime.\" But"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:10", "text": ">> but I I haven't found a dime."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> Okay. I don't know what you're talking"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "about. I You've told me this before and"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "I'm like maybe once in my life. I don't"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "remember finding a dime. Right. You have"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "a jar this high."}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:21", "text": ">> That's like filled with dimes."}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:24", "text": ">> And And when I started noticing them"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "more, which was after my retreat at"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "Monroe two years ago or so, I was"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "getting a lot of finding a lot of them."}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "And it was the timing that made it even"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "crazier each time I'd find one. It"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "wasn't just like, \"Oh, there's one.\" It"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "was like, \"There's one.\" when I was kind"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "of thinking about one or or asking for"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "one or looking for an answer to a"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "question and there it was in front of me"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "the moment after I mentally said that to"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "myself and I realized also that in my"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "life I've always found them. I just kind"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "of said, \"Oh yeah, I'm I find dimes and"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "it's it's a good omen, but I realized"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "like they've always been in my life.\""}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "Um, I remember my brother's too young"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "for this, but when I lived in France, we"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "grew up in Europe, traveling around, we"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "lived in a house out of Paris,"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "and I remember in the ground, I was just"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "playing in the dirt and I found an old"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "dime"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "from it must have been from like 1910 or"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "And I always, oh, that's cool. But like"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "now that I think about it, what the heck"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "is a dime doing in France in my yard,"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": ">> Um, so it's it's"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:35", "text": ">> Was it Was it by chance one of those old"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "dimes that has like the wing headed?"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:36", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:38", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:38", "text": ">> It just says one dime on the front."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:43", "text": ">> I think it says Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:45", "text": ">> Or Yeah, I think it just Oh, it says uh"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "it just I think it just says 10 cents on"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "on the front or it's one of the old old"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "ones. I keep it in in a box in my"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "parents house."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:53", "text": ">> But yeah, go ahead. I I was going to say"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "this. It's actually synchronous that you"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "bring this up because any any Robert"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "Anton Wilson fans in the crowd um he in"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "one of his books it might be Prometheus"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "Rising I'm not sure but he he's one of"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "these like very you know mercurial"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "esoteric authors who's you know he's"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "having UFO experiences and thinking he"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "might be in contact with uh some"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "intelligence from Sirius but he's also"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "very logical and agnostic about it all"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "and and is willing to go through all the"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "different possibilities, but one of the"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "thought experiments in one of his books"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "is to try to manifest quarters on the"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "ground. And and basically one of the he"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "he encourages you to say try it where"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "you where you're manifesting it or"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "synchronously discovering them and now"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "try it where you're just convinced it's"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "only your own attention. So he's not"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "telling you like which one it is, but"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "he's encouraging you to like play with"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "these different modalities and ways of"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "you know experiencing things and and one"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "of them happens to be that like finding"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "coins in the ground. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:58", "text": ">> Very cool. And Nelson also, you know,"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "he's got a physics background as well"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "and he's a very, you know, I think by"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "the very nature you're are a skeptical"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "person, not a skeptic, but like you look"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "at things and try to rationalize them."}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "But when you find them, what do you do"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "with them?"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:14", "text": ">> Well, I I I log them. I keep track of"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "what day it was, what was happening that"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "day, if I it was heads or tails. I also"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "keep track of how I interact or find"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "other coins, right? Because I'm not just"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "blind to the dimes. Sometimes I find a"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "penny like anyone might, right?"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:30", "text": ">> People find pennies, too. Yeah. Um and I"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "do find pennies. I do find quarters. I I"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "do find nickels, but"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": ">> statistically it's always more"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "predominantly dimes."}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": ">> Overwhelmingly so. And uh more heads or"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "tails? That's one thing I've been"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "keeping track of more and it's mostly"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "tails."}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:47", "text": ">> By how much?"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": ">> Um I'd have to look at the I'm still"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "collecting data, but I'd say probably"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "like 80%."}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:52", "text": ">> Like what?"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:55", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:57", "text": ">> So, but but it it drives me wild because"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "then I find one heads and I'm Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "heads and I'm like, what do I what does"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "that mean? Like is tails good?"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:05", "text": ">> I'm still I'm trying to figure that out."}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "I'm trying to map it to what outcomes"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "are happening, you know? I think Tales"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "is a good I mean I think they're all"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "kind of basically a wink to me from"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "whatever it is that I'm on the right"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "path. Right. Well, it's like the"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "alchemist."}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": ">> Right. He had these in the in the book"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "by uh Paulo Coella like the uh he had"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "these stones that he would just ask like"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "that one time,"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:26", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": ">> This question, right? And it was like"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "yes or no. And that was kind of like"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "heads or tails. What? And what about the"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "years? You log those as well?"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": ">> I do log the years. I haven't really"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "noticed a pattern yet, but you know,"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "I've I've had ones that go all the way"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "back to the early 1900s. I have ones"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "that I just got one the other day. It's"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "like the new minted ones from 2026, they"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "look brand new. They're amazing."}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": ">> Really excited about that."}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:50", "text": ">> I know. That blows my mind because I"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "don't find dimes. And I have, if you"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "look at our chat history,"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:53:01", "text": ">> it's like after a while I was like,"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "cool. He sends me I have 30 photos of"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "dimes of just like another one. And it's"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "just him pointing to a dime and he's"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "like, \"Oh man, I was just at the"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "racetrack today and I remote viewed um"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "the color pink and so I bet on the pink"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "horse and I usually put five bucks, but"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "I found a dime and so I put 50. I won"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "$1,500.\""}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:24", "text": ">> Yeah. This was the the Belmont Stakes"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "was being held as one of the big uh race"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "races of the year at I live in Saratoga"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "Springs and we have a little racetrack,"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "but they were holding it there that"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "year. And I found a dime on the way to"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "make a bet. And I I do a weekly remote"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "viewing thing for horse racing"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "specifically, but I don't really bet on"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "it. It's just to gather data and, you"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "know, see how I'm performing. But this"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "I'm at the track. It's a Belmont Stakes."}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "It's big race. I was like, \"Okay.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "I go over to the the the cashier, you"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "know, it's old timey. You put the cash"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "over, you say what you want, who's going"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "to win, you do the trifecta, the box,"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "whatever. I don't really understand all"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "that stuff. I just And I don't even"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "understand horse racing. I just see a"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "color and I put my money on it as the"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "winner. And I'm I'm I've got pretty good"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "results. But this one, I knew I knew"}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "that black was going to win. And I was"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "thinking to myself like what what I"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "usually put like 10 bucks. You know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "not a big gambler. But I was like, I"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "know that this horse is going to win. I"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "should put a lot, but you know, you"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "temper your your your expectations and"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "you're like, \"No, I should be"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "responsible. I don't want to put all my"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "money.\" So, I put 50, right? Was huge."}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "Um, but it's a weird feeling knowing"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "something's going to happen. And that"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "dime was this the thing that kind of"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "like let me know. And of the race was"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "insane. If you want to look back, it was"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "2024 um the the Belmont Stakes. This"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:47", "text": "this horse, nobody was saying its name"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "for for a winner. And uh it was last"}, {"start": "00:54:47", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "place, last place, last place, and just"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "earned its way up, won by the tip of its"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "nose, a door knock. And uh I remember"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "being like, \"Yes, pin drop.\" Nobody ever"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "Oh, look. Everybody was like, \"Who the"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "hell is Door Knock?\" Except for the"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "owners. They were happy. But yeah, I got"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "a It was like I won like 1,200 bucks. It"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": ">> crazy. It's a weird feeling."}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:09", "text": ">> Imagine if you were a gambler,"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:10", "text": ">> dude. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> Think about how much money you lost that"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:13", "text": "day, dude. That's No kidding. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> That's a fascinating story. That's"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "incredible."}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:21", "text": ">> I I just if if I can um I have I have"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "something about synchronicities that"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "happened to me. When I was a kid, my"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "grandfather uh used to work in a flower"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "market and he always used to take a red"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "carnation. He would cut it and he would"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "put it over his over his left ear. That"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "was his trademark. I grew up my"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "grandfather always having a red"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "carnation cut short over his left ear."}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "So that was like as a kid I would I knew"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "he would have a flower. When he died I I"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "was named after him. So when he died I"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "started finding cut red carnations in"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "the street. So I I have them in a box."}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "They're all in a box. And at a certain"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "point I moved to China. I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "you know I lived in China for a while"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "and I was it was my birthday and I was"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "in southern Canton province and we were"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "in a different city and I was staying in"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "this apartment hotel type of place and I"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "was on the 17th floor. Nobody was"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "staying on the 17th floor. It was just"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "me. It was a really nice place. And so"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "my business partner was there. His he"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "brought his his family and his"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "girlfriend's families cuz it was my"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "birthday. And the door, somebody knocked"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "on the door and I opened the door and it"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "was his girlfriend with a small red"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "carnation in her hand. And I'm looking"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:40", "text": "at her, her name was Tracy. I said,"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "\"Tracy, where'd you get that?\" She goes,"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "\"Right here in front of the door.\""}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:47", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:50", "text": ">> I'm like, \"What? There was no flowers in"}, {"start": "00:56:47", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "the building.\" I went I made it a thing"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "to go like, \"Where where are the"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "flowers?\" Like I I go, \"There's no way.\""}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "And I went down in the lobby. There was"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "no flowers. How did that red carnation"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "get there?"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:02", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:05", "text": ">> And to to close off the whole, you know,"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "synchronicity, years later, my father"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "passed away. And it on the day of his"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "funeral, it was a monster snowstorm in"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "Montreal. I mean, mega snowstorm. Okay."}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "And everybody was in the funeral home."}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "At the end, everybody left. And I'm I've"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "got these bags. I had a bunch of stuff."}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "It was the wake. I bought a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "stuff and I'm walking away. Everybody"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "went to this exit to the right of the"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "funeral home. I for some reason,"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "I have no clue why I did this. I decided"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "to take the long way out of the funeral"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "home. I don't know why. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "why. And I was carrying stuff. So, it"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "was like no logic to what I did. I just"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "did it because I felt like not going"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "where everybody was going. And I went to"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "another door. I was the only guy there."}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "And the one of the guys working there"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "saw me carrying all these bags. So he"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "just opened the door for me. And as I"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "walk out the parking lot cuz all the"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "cars were on the other side. So the"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "parking lot was a perfect white. There"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:07", "text": "was no cars that driven. So it was like"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "perfect white snow. And right far right"}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "in the center I see this red little"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "thing. I swear"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "I walked all the way there and it was a"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "little red carnation on the snow. I may"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "God strike me that I saw that I I h I"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "still have it and it's like what does"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "that mean right"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "synchronicity"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:32", "text": ">> thank you crazy"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:34", "text": ">> that is the most [applause] that is the"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "very definition of a synchronicity like"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "that's what I mean"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": ">> you can say coincidence but like this"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "clearly has a very deep meaning and"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "Michael's going to explain exactly well"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "in a way this is like even though it's"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "an unanswerable question. It's also like"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "the most softball question because this"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "is something I've done like multiple"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "videos on something I like I've deep"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "dove on of like in terms of what it"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "could mean, what the confirmation bias"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "aspects of it are, what the history of"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "the idea is. And of course, I think this"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:08", "text": "is a super old idea that's gone by many"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "names, right? But it's in a modern"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "sense, it's coined by Carl Jung, the"}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "famous psychiatrist. Um, and we actually"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "had a weird It It's very strange"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "actually that we're spending so much"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "time in this show like totally"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "unscripted talking about synchronicities"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "because they came up when we were"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "looking at those books today in this"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "like we were walking earlier today going"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:31", "text": "to a camera store and we stumbled across"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "this um this little like not yard sale"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "exactly, but it was in like a driveway"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "somewhere. It was just random stuff for"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "sale and we're looking at random books"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "and we're like, \"Oh, it's kind of"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "synchronous synchronous that we found"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "this book and that book.\" And then right"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "when we left, there was a giant picture"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "of a beetle."}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": ">> Like just a giant picture of a beetle."}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "And for anyone that knows Carl Jung, his"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "most famous story is a is a beetle"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "synchronicity story. So it's just super"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "weird to be talking about"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "synchronicities earlier today, seeing"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "the beetle. Now we're talking in an"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "extended unscripted fashion about"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "synchronicities. It's just weird. And"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "and ultimately, you know, he was kind of"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "ambivalent about what it meant, but he"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "he war he was smart enough to warn"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "against, you know, like this is ripe for"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "like confirmation bias and flights of"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "fancy and like thinking that you're"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "controlling reality. And he was saying"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "the ego shouldn't think that it's"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "driving synchronicity. But what he"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "believed is that it's like we're"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "stumbling across what the ancients would"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "have called sympathy. So in these"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "ancient esoteric systems, most of them"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:33", "text": "believed in sympathies. It's like there"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "were these this was like invisible"}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "language of nature and to be like a"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "magician was to understand those symbols"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "and understand how to manipulate those"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "symbols. So I think what it is is it's"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "that f that nebulous psychical faculty"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "that we have that's always like rubbing"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "up against the transcendent and we don't"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "really know how or why things happen but"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "they do happen and we see the meaning"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "and it's often times like they're just"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "beyond explanation far beyond chance. So"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "I think it's like we're rubbing up"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "against that dimension of meaning you"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "know and and when you do certain things"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "it again thins that boundary. That"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "that's what I think at least. I knew you"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "could do it. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "Uh before we move on, we do have a"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:28", "text": "special uh message. Now, as many of you"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "know, uh Luigi did do a documentary."}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "It's a bit of a big deal. It's called"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "S4: The Bob Lazar Story."}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "Uh it was number one on Amazon. It is"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "now free to stream on Prime and it's"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "like trending which is amazing. People"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "are watching it. If you haven't seen it"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "and if you're a plus one,"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:50", "text": ">> maybe don't start there. Maybe start"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:52", "text": "with like something a little like No,"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:55", "text": "seriously, go watch it. It's it's it's"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "an amazing congratulations again. It's"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "just such a fun [applause]"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:02", "text": ">> Yeah. I got to, you know, witness the"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "inception and the creation and every"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "step along the way. And it was just such"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "a delight to to well I mean at times you"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "know it was ups and downs you know"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "making a"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:14", "text": ">> and and I'm going to say this again I"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "want everybody to know that I myself my"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "team everyone thank you Chris Ramsey cuz"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "if it wasn't for this guy we wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "have made it all the way to the finish"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "line. So thanks man. [cheering]"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:33", "text": ">> All right. I appreciate that. Thank you."}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:35", "text": ">> I appreciate it. Um, but your our friend"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "Bob Lazar was kind enough to send us a"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "little video for you guys tonight. Um,"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "so Yony, if you don't mind, we got a"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "little little video. Hey guys, good to"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "see you. Sorry, I just can't make it. I"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "just got too much stuff going on here."}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "We got fires nearby and all that stuff."}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": ">> Uh, well, [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "the man himself,"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "uh, and himself. [applause]"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": ">> Well, give it up for Bazar."}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "Uh, you know, too bad he couldn't make"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "it tonight, but [applause] he wish he"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "could be there. He's dealing with some"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "fires and stuff and he's got like horses"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "and whatnot, but uh, you know, nice of"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "him to"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:27", "text": ">> Wait a second. What's that?"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:30", "text": ">> What's that sound?"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:32", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, Our next guest"}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "tonight"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "and resident of Oregon,"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:40", "text": "Mr. Robert Scott Lazar."}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:40", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:00", "text": ">> [cheering]"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:17", "text": ">> I made it. I made it."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:17", "text": ">> So, you made it."}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> I'm I'm a little curious. Round of"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "applause. Did we fool you with that"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "video?"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:29", "text": ">> No. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:31", "text": ">> Good job."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:33", "text": ">> Way too smart. Yeah, we gota we got to"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "work on that, Bob. We got to work on our"}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "our magic trick a little more."}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:39", "text": ">> Um, thank you for being here."}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> Oh, no problem. Good to be here."}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:45", "text": ">> So, um, currently trending once again on"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "Amazon is a story of S4, uh, the Bob"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "Lazar story or S4, the Bob Lazar story."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "Um, how has the response been for you"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "since this movie came out? How, you"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "know, obviously you've had people reach"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "out and you've seen some response"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "online. How has that been so far for"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "you?"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:06", "text": ">> Oh, it's been a tremendous response. I"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "mean, it's, uh, it's really changed"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "my life really. Um, it's the first time"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "I don't really have to explain what"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:18", "text": "happened to me. I can just point to"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "Luigi or refer to S4 and said, you know,"}, {"start": "01:05:18", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "here it is. But it's uh it's amazing how"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "well it was done and it um it's really"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:31", "text": "changed the whole dynamics."}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "Yeah, it's uh it's one of it's one of"}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "those movies where you know even someone"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "who's you know I've I've seen all the"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "documentaries on your life up to this"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "point all of the reportings all of the"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "YouTube videos you know and like many"}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "others were always just we we want a"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "little more. We're always like, you"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "know, there's got to be there's got to"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "be more to the story. And I'm sure"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "you're like, no, that's it. That here"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "you go. But then Luigi makes this, you"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "know, movie. And you guys all of a"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "sudden gave us more more than we thought"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "could ever, you know, sort of be"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "conjured up from this. You gave us a"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "physical sort of representation."}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:08", "text": ">> Well, a picture's worth a thousand"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "words. I mean, that's what it is. How"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "many times can you tell the same story"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "over and over? But if you're able to"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:18", "text": "show everything exactly the way it was,"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "it takes on a whole new dimension."}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:24", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. Um Luigi, quick"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "question for you when doing this and"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "like, okay, you got out there, you made"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "this movie. Um"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "how do you feel with, you know, once"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "this is out there, it's being received."}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "What's your gestalt on this? like how"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "was that received for you being someone"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "who's you know you're going up against"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "the biggest story almost in in UFO"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "history. This is a monumental task to"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "tell a story in this way specifically"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "and very accurately once that was all"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "done. How did that feel for you? Well,"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "that was the the fir well the first"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "thing was I always felt a certain degree"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "of extreme responsibility because I knew"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:11", "text": "how incredibly controversial the story"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "was, how a lot of people pay so much"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "attention to every single thing Bob"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "would say. And I reading all the stuff"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:22", "text": "throughout the years online and you read"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "so much misinformation, not not"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "purposeful, sometimes just people"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "explaining it the wrong way. So it was"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "important to make sure that everything"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "was 100%"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "what Bob said he saw so that at least"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "there was the the starting point was"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "accurate. If you wanted to argue the"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "story, at least you're starting on the"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "right track. And when that when the film"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "came out, obviously I was nervous. Are"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "people going to like it? It's the first"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "time I make a film. So I was really"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "worried that, you know, I liked it, but"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "are people going to like it? And it"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:01", "text": "ended up being a good film. And people"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:03", "text": ">> Great film."}, {"start": "01:08:01", "end": "01:08:07", "text": ">> Thank you. And the people were"}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "responding saying, \"Finally, we finally"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "understand what he saw and what the"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "story was all about.\" And that was"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "really rewarding for me, for my team"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "because and I felt happy that I was able"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "to deliver that in a in a digestible"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "format."}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Monumental task and and you did"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "you did it you did it justice. I think"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "um I wanted to follow up with you Bob"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "because the last time you know you"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "appeared on my channel uh you know we"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "had kept this secret for almost a year."}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "I had, you know, um, when I interviewed"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "you, uh, the second time on my channel,"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "most people don't know this, but you"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "were there that day to shoot an episode"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "with Travis Walton."}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:50", "text": ">> Oh, right. Right."}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:53", "text": ">> Yeah. We had done So, if you look at the"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:54", "text": "interview I did with Travis Walton and"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "the interview, the second interview I"}, {"start": "01:08:54", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "did with Bob, you'll notice I have a"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "clock in the skiff and it has a date on"}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "it and it's the same date. So like those"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "some of you clued in were like wait"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "that's the same because it's very"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:10", "text": "subtle. Uh but that's also why those"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "podcasts were shorter because you know"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "they they were spent they were they just"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "had a you know 19 coffees in the diner"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:21", "text": ">> and I remember was like my heart's going"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "to explode like get this get this coffee"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "away from me. Um but yeah, we kind of"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:29", "text": "like kept that for a while. And after"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "the second interview, uh after the first"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "interview, there's an extra like 7"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "minutes of that interview that kind of"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "like uh wasn't really recorded. Like we"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "stopped sound and then like we just kept"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "talking and you had said to me, you"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "said, \"Man, you know, I'd really love to"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "meet Travis Walton.\" You said, \"Really"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "interesting. Luigi talks about him a lot"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:52", "text": "and he's someone that, you know, I I"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "feel is very credible and some I'm I"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "just want another letter on the"}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:09:59", "text": "crossword puzzle. I just want, you know,"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "it' be nice to talk to him. And I said,"}, {"start": "01:09:59", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "Bob, I I'd move mountains to make that"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "happen. And with Luigi's help, you know,"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "and I even remember texting you and"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:10", "text": "being like, you know, what if he what if"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "he did this in a diner in like the 50s?"}, {"start": "01:10:10", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "And like you were like, hell yeah, that"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "sounds really cool, you know? And I was"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "like, say less. And I and I built it. I"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "remember sending you pictures like"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:20", "text": ">> that was"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:23", "text": ">> and then you know bring you down and I"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "get you to sit down and and for in my"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "opinion one of the most legendary"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "conversations just over coffee and pie."}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "what was that experience like for you?"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "How did you feel about it? And how did"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "you feel after getting to speak with"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "Travis Walton?"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:43", "text": ">> Oh well it was great. I for some reason"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:46", "text": "I just always wanted to talk to Travis."}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "I mean, one of the reasons was I saw the"}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "movie they made and um Travis hated it."}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "He said it had nothing to do with what"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "happened to me. Um, I heard so many"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "conflicting stories and I just wanted to"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "hear it from the guy and you know just"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "to to meet him to ask him questions and"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "just to see what he really meant, what"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "he really went through was um it was"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "really cool. I mean that was that that"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "was a great experience."}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:22", "text": ">> Did you walk away feeling um like did it"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "raise your conviction level on his"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "story?"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:27", "text": ">> Yeah, it did. Yeah. Yeah. You always get"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "a different feeling when you're hearing"}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:33", "text": "it, you know, directly from the horse's"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "mouth as opposed to a repeated story or"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:38", "text": "a movie or something like that. But"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "yeah, there's just something about and,"}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "you know, Travis had said the craft he"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "saw looked almost identical to the sport"}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "model. So, I wanted to quiz him on"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "things because he got to walk inside."}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:57", "text": "he saw it from different angles and uh"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "it was just really interesting to get"}, {"start": "01:11:57", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "feedback from him. So yeah, it meant a"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:03", "text": "lot to me. So thanks again for making"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "that happen."}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:09", "text": ">> My pleasure. Um"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "you know, it was it was interesting too"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "because we were I remember we were"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "sitting together. So like you guys"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "didn't actually meet for the first time"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "on camera. It was like very we spent"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "some time together the night before"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "because you were both just eager to meet"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:25", "text": "each other. I kind of wanted to keep you"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "separate and like have that meeting"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:28", "text": "happen. I was like, \"No, this needs to"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "be, you know, these guys need to talk to"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "each other.\" And uh we we were sat down"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "at the office all together just"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:36", "text": ">> conversing and like all we kept making a"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:39", "text": "joke. I'm like, \"We should have filmed"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "this conversation.\" Um but at uh at one"}, {"start": "01:12:39", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "point you start you're like,"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:45", "text": ">> \"Travis,"}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "what about the arches?\" And I'm like,"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "\"Hold on, hold on.\" I'm like, \"We we"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "can't cross this line.\" I'm like, \"We"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "got to keep something for tomorrow.\" I"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "remember feeling really bad about that"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "because I wanted to stop you. Uh, but"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "you did have a burning question about"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "those arches and what was what was"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "Travis's response to that? He doesn't"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:08", "text": "does he remember seeing them? It that"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "was kind of nebulous because he says I"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "do kind of recall something like that,"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "but it's you know Travis had a lot more"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "important things to concentrate on when"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "he was there like trying to get away."}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:20", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "but you know, the archways are"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "significant to the operation of the"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "craft because they're wave guides. And"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "I kind of explained that to Travis and"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "it kind of took him back, you know, to"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "where he remembered there was something"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "along those lines. But I mean, he"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "couldn't give me a definite answer if it"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "was exactly the same. But um I really"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "did want to know that if the craft Well,"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:49", "text": "and he was in more than one if they all"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "had that kind of construction on the"}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "inside."}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "If you could cuz you, by the way, you"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "did a great job interviewing Travis,"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "which is what it ended up being cuz I"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "didn't know how it was going to go. I"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:01", "text": "was like, \"Hey, you're just going to I'm"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "going to leave you guys to it. We're"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "going to set up the cameras.\" We"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "actually left the room and kind of just"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "like sent the waitress in and like we"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:10", "text": "didn't want to I didn't want to like"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:12", "text": "push it in any way. I had that little"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "briefcase with your files in it, which"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "was a fun little touch."}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:19", "text": ">> Um, but if you had to because I think"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "you had pretty good interview skills."}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:21", "text": ">> I think you're a pretty good"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "interviewer. Um,"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:26", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:28", "text": ">> I No, I actually I I to be completely"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "candid, I think you're way more"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "comfortable interviewing people. Like,"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "I've seen you on multiple interviews."}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "I've interviewed you like even now. But"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "I think you as an interviewer, like you"}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "were really good at letting people talk,"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "not like I'm"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:44", "text": ">> probably more comfortable interviewing"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "someone than being interviewed. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "totally agree with that. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:50", "text": ">> Um, who would you interview"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "if you had a chance? Now, I'll let you"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "go maybe uh dead or alive, anybody. If"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:57", "text": "you could sit down with somebody for two"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "hours at the Flying Saucer,"}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> I mean, we're just talking about UFO"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "related."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:04", "text": ">> You know what? one UFO related and one"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "not UFO related."}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:11", "text": ">> Oh man,"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:11", "text": ">> how much time do I have? Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:14", "text": ">> I don't know. I can't spontaneously come"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "up with an answer. All right, we'll come"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "back to it."}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:19", "text": ">> I I will produce an answer in the next"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "five minutes. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:24", "text": ">> Amazing. Uh, in the in the meantime,"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "Michael, uh, Nelson, do you guys have"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "any questions?"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:32", "text": ">> Yeah, I do for sure. Um [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "um I've heard a bunch of your interviews"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "and I love that you stick to what you"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "know and what you saw directly, but I'm"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "really interested in the relationship"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "between the phenomenon and"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "consciousness. And you often hear from"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "experiencers that there's like this"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "uncanny aspect to a lot of these"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "sightings. Like the guy, I don't know if"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "you heard the experience who was up here"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:55", "text": "earlier, but he had been literally doing"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:58", "text": "like a full moon ritual before having"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "like a classical UFO, like discshaped"}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "UFO appear in front of him. And there's"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:05", "text": "just so many, you know, stories to this"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:07", "text": "effect, whether it's like uh instant"}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "communication between these beings and"}, {"start": "01:16:07", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "the experiencer or whatever. So, I'm"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "just curious when when you were in"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "especially in contact with the craft,"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "but even secondarily, were you exposed"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "at all to anything having to do with"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "this weird relationship between"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "consciousness and the craft or"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "consciousness and the beings? And"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:30", "text": ">> I was not, but I I do have a friend"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:33", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "that is so convinced"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "that there is consciousness attached to"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:40", "text": "the craft in some some way. I mean, he"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:44", "text": "goes into the construction of the brain,"}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "microtubules, and and I I mean, how they"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "are, and these topics are only just"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "being touched on now in depth. I'm sure"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:56", "text": "you've you're familiar with that. And um"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:59", "text": "and he swears that he's got this figured"}, {"start": "01:16:56", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "out and consciousness consciousness is a"}, {"start": "01:16:59", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "substantial part of how everything works"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:10", "text": "in unison. And um I mean to to the point"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "where he'll just call me like at 6:00 in"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "the morning cuz he's been thinking about"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "this all night. And I stop taking his"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "calls once in a while, you know? I just"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "I can't wake up and start thinking about"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "that. It takes me a while. But um he's"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "he's a great guy, a brilliant guy, and"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "um you know, but I didn't have any"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "any direct connection to that. I didn't"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "see any evidence of that, but he is"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "slowly convincing me that that's the"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "case."}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:42", "text": ">> Interesting. Interesting. Did you get"}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "any sense that there could be a special"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "relationship between the brain and the"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "craft itself in terms of how it's"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "piloted or interacted with?"}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:54", "text": ">> It has to be something along those lines"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:55", "text": "because there's no physical controls."}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:18:00", "text": "I mean, look, it's not that, you know,"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "if we talked about that in 50s and 60s"}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:04", "text": "about some kind of mental control, it"}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "would it sounds like something from Star"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "Trek, but now it's no big deal. You"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "really can, you know, control uh"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "relatively complicated systems in that"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "way. But um there there has to be how"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "else is the craft controlled unless it"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "has something to do with the top the top"}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "level which I have never had access to"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "or had information on."}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:29", "text": ">> So interesting."}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, please."}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:37", "text": ">> Are you familiar with the uh professor"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "from I think it's MIT uh Rudy Child."}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "One more sign. Rudy Child. I don't think"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "so. Yeah. He he uh is a professor from"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "MIT as astrophysicist if I'm not wrong"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "and was interviewed by George Knap at"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:55", "text": "one time and he says he spoke to"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "somebody who had been on the program and"}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "he was in favor of Bob Lazar and was"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "explaining that he is convinced that"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "there was some type of mental connection"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "between the occupant and the craft and"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "there was some type of communication He"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "had heard between some academics or some"}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "scientists that had been involved in the"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "program that that was how this thing"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:26", "text": "functioned that there was a connection"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "to the machine with our brain. This is a"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "this is a guy who's"}, {"start": "01:19:28", "end": "01:19:32", "text": ">> got a lot of credentials at MIT who came"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "out publicly talking about this."}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:37", "text": "Obviously, not a lot of people like to"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "to bring it out in the public. He's an"}, {"start": "01:19:37", "end": "01:19:42", "text": "older guy, but I spoke to him. I'm I'm"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "in communication with him. Very very"}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:44", "text": "smart guy. So, you should look into"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "that. It's really interesting."}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "Definitely will. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, I've always wanted to ask you"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "about this just because obviously I have"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:56", "text": "a fascination with memory and you know"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "you're in this position where you've"}, {"start": "01:19:56", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "been telling this story that happened to"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "you so long ago and you've had to say it"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "over and over again and you know people"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:08", "text": "have gone on and told your story for you"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "or or done documentaries about it and"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "then you know this gentleman comes along"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "and is sitting with you painstakingly"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "going through all these memories to"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "rebuild them. I would imagine that it"}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "I'm already amazed at how you were able"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "to go into those depths and find the"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "detail to construct something that was"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "so detailed. But it must"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:31", "text": ">> it was because of bringing out those"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:32", "text": "details that brought back the memories"}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "if that's what you're going to ask."}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:35", "text": ">> That's what I'm getting to. So like as"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "you're coming up with probably something"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "that's"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "hard to describe and and probably fading"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "a little bit, you build it a little bit."}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "I'm sure that kind of revitalizes or"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "helps kind of job."}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:51", "text": ">> It absolutely did. I wish I had an"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:53", "text": "example that I can remember, but that"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "occurred. And in fact,"}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:20:57", "text": ">> I think it was setting up the lab or"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "something in there. And yeah, you know,"}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "we'd uh"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:05", "text": ">> put it on the computer"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "essentially walk in there and, you know,"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "turn around and I, you know, wait,"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "there's there's a door missing. And, you"}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "know, there's absolutely a door there."}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "And you know by walking through it um I"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "think that even happened in the big"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:19", "text": "hanger too."}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:22", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "01:21:19", "end": "01:21:23", "text": ">> Um it was just once you see yourself"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "there"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:27", "text": ">> um you can kind of see what's missing."}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:30", "text": ">> Memory dropped out."}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:33", "text": ">> Yeah. But it also says that the memory"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "is still in there. It just needed"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:37", "text": ">> the connecting fabric to get there which"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "was you know seeing the basic structure"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:41", "text": "but missing the door and then suddenly"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "now you have the door. And I'm sure that"}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:44", "text": "just seeing that door probably unlocked"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "some other details, right?"}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:49", "text": ">> Yeah, I I think it happened all through"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "in different levels of intensity. I"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "mean, some things were big and you know"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "there it was. I remember"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:59", "text": ">> the light in the the tripod light in the"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "craft, you know, had a cable coming out"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "and you're like, \"Oh, yeah, it was"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "orange.\" Extension cord."}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:05", "text": ">> The extension cord cuz you're like, he"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "would always tell us, \"Look out for the"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "cables,\" you know."}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. There was also something"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:13", "text": "else. A big container that The blue"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "liquid container. Wait, what? What is"}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "What is this?"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": ">> There was a big container. We just"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "called it Windex. It was [laughter] just"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:23", "text": "Yeah, it looks just like a big container"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "of Windex. But"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:26", "text": ">> And what does it do?"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:28", "text": ">> I have no idea."}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:32", "text": ">> It was It was just there. It had nothing"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "to do with what we were doing. And um I"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "had just forgotten about it um until you"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:38", "text": "know we"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:41", "text": ">> started putting the lab together and"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:42", "text": ">> well it was the lab came together. You"}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "remember"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:47", "text": ">> you remembered the door right away. It"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "was instant. As he walks into the lab"}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "the first thing Bob says is wait there's"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "a door that's missing right to the"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "right. It was instant. And I remember"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "going well wait why why would there be a"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "door there? It goes to the hanger. And"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "and you said yeah that's where we went."}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "And immediately was like, okay, that"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "opened up a whole other thing because"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "then when you're in the hanger, you had"}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "the adjacent hanger door and there was"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "little doors in there and you said,"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:16", "text": ">> \"Wait, there's a missing door in that"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "big door and you everything started"}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:21", "text": "cascading and it was like his memory was"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "just coming right back.\" And I compared"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "it to when you look at, you know, if"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "ever you bring out an album, old photos,"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:30", "text": ">> and you look at, let's say, a picture of"}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "your own house when you were a kid, and"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "you see one thing and you go, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "yeah.\" And then suddenly everything"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "starts coming back. Same thing. You're"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "in a place where you can't go back."}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:46", "text": ">> And so, the difference is is that at"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "least the photo is it's a a actual photo"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "you took. The thing you created is not"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "real. Right. You've built it from him"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:53", "text": "and it's kind of like this recursive"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "loop that's just rebuilt his own memory."}, {"start": "01:23:53", "end": "01:23:56", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. It's pretty cool."}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": ">> Like a virtual memory palace"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:23:59", "text": ">> booster. Yeah. Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:00", "text": ">> It's like a mind palace."}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:03", "text": ">> Yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:05", "text": ">> But it um and it is interesting too"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "because spatial memory"}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:09", "text": ">> is like our strongest memory. Isn't that"}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:11", "text": ">> That's what I was telling you earlier"}, {"start": "01:24:09", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "how I remember all these digits of pi. I"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "was placing them in this memory palace"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "and how powerful it is for humans to"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "remember spatial information. So, it's"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:23", "text": "not surprising that the structure you"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "should have recruited Nelson to help."}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:26", "text": ">> That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Just like Nelson just holding"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:29", "text": "Bob's head. I mean, like, come on. It's"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "in there."}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:33", "text": ">> Right. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:35", "text": ">> Think harder, Bob."}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:38", "text": ">> I still can't believe you you can"}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "remember 10,000 digits of pi."}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:42", "text": ">> It's not that crazy."}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:44", "text": ">> Yes, it is that hard. Yeah, [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:47", "text": ">> it's not that hard. It's not that hard."}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:50", "text": ">> I I did have one more question. um about"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "memory again, but is there any memory"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "that you're aware that you've forgotten"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "just because of time that's passed and"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "it's faded that you wish you remembered"}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:01", "text": "more?"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:01", "text": ">> Oo, good question."}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> I know that's occurred, but"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "I don't remember. You know, I fair"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "answer. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:17", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "What um maybe like the documents is"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "there like because there was a lot of"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "documents they had to read."}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:24", "text": ">> You know, I really I know a lot of"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "people focus on those cuz go boy all the"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "answers are there but"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:30", "text": ">> like that's when I first got into the"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:32", "text": "project and I was just going through"}, {"start": "01:25:30", "end": "01:25:34", "text": "these things. They probably just I"}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "didn't even know if they were real. So I"}, {"start": "01:25:34", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "just flipped through them quick. Oh"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "really? Okay. And you know and then you"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:43", "text": "know that was that was that. So I and I"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "never got to look at them again. So,"}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:47", "text": ">> yeah, that would be fun to go back into"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "that mine palace."}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:51", "text": ">> Yeah, I if I could remember what I saw"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "on each page, that would be kind of"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "cool. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:26:00", "text": ">> Yeah, there's there's there's something"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:26:02", "text": "in the works. That's all I'll say."}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:04", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:06", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "Interesting."}, {"start": "01:26:06", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "We won't pry. [laughter] We'll be"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "polite. Um, yeah, go ahead. I was going"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:13", "text": "to say Bob looked surprised when you"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "said that."}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:18", "text": ">> There is news to me. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:20", "text": ">> I am surprised. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:22", "text": ">> You know, one of the things I wanted to"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:23", "text": "say about memory and and and today's"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "technology cuz you said, you know, I"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:28", "text": "built something that wasn't real that is"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "like a loop where it makes him remember"}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "something. And one of the things that I"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "hope that comes and I'm I'm obviously"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:38", "text": "myself, my team always at the very"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:42", "text": "forefront of learning about technology"}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "and what what we have as tools and AI is"}, {"start": "01:26:42", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "obviously the biggest thing that's"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:49", "text": "that's arrived is is revolutionizing the"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "world. Whether we like it or not, it's"}, {"start": "01:26:49", "end": "01:26:55", "text": "here and it's not going to go away. What"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "I would love to see and hopefully we are"}, {"start": "01:26:55", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "able to make the existing computing"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "equipment that we have able to do it."}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "How cool would it be if we could"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "basically speak to AI like we speak to"}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:13", "text": "chat or whatever we speak to, whoever"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:15", "text": "decides to speak to something. We're"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:18", "text": "speaking to a robot these days. And"}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "imagine saying to a robot and you're"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "looking at a screen and you want to"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:26", "text": "build your high school from your memory"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "and see how accurate AI can start"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:35", "text": "building it in 3D while you're talking"}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:38", "text": ">> and that would start opening up your"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "memory to things. And how accurate could"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:45", "text": "it get where we start building our"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "memories visually in front of us? I"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "would love to see that in the next, you"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "know, 10 years"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:50", "text": ">> season of Black Mirror."}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:57", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:58", "text": ">> Um, yeah. I mean, but you did that in a"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:01", "text": "way terrifying."}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:02", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:28:01", "end": "01:28:03", "text": ">> have you have you thought about who"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "you'd like to interview yet?"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:09", "text": ">> Yeah. I I'm sorry that it it's gonna"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "sound so typical. Go ahead, but I'm I"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "I'm still gonna have to go back to"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "Einstein just because of where he was on"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "gravity."}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> That's"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> Well, let's set it up. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:24", "text": ">> All right,"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:25", "text": ">> the next diner episode."}, {"start": "01:28:24", "end": "01:28:27", "text": ">> It's going to be a It's going to be a"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "tough one, but we'll make it happen."}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:31", "text": "I'll"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:32", "text": ">> We need to get Salvator back up here to"}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "do a couple rituals [laughter] and we'll"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "get back to you."}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "Just give me a good old shovel, I guess."}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:45", "text": "Um, and a potion. I don't know. Um,"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "is there anyone in the in the UFO field"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:51", "text": "that you feel like hm that you'd like to"}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "interview one more time or one or just"}, {"start": "01:28:51", "end": "01:28:53", "text": ">> I don't know. I don't really know the"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "UFO field."}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:58", "text": ">> What about John Lear? Would you go back"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "and if you could and sit down with John"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "one more time?"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:01", "text": ">> I've said I've sat down with John"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:03", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:03", "text": "a lot."}, {"start": "01:29:03", "end": "01:29:05", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "01:29:03", "end": "01:29:06", "text": ">> What's the craziest thing John Leer has"}, {"start": "01:29:05", "end": "01:29:10", "text": "ever told you?"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:10", "text": ">> Oh my god. Oh my god. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:14", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Okay."}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:18", "text": ">> And and we're going to clip it"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "[laughter] right there. No, no, no, no."}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "But what is like the most insane thing"}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "that he's told you because he's said"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "some stuff."}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:29", "text": ">> Okay. Um, we can go on for a while. That"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "there's this the sun is not hot. It's"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:35", "text": "just that the atmosphere of the sun's on"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "fire, but the, you know, the globe"}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:44", "text": "itself is solid. There's people living"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "on it. And um the same thing uh with"}, {"start": "01:29:44", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "Venus, there are there are people there."}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:49", "text": "And I said,"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:51", "text": ">> when does the crazy part start?"}, {"start": "01:29:49", "end": "01:29:52", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "we're getting there. We're getting"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "there. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "But I mean, John Leer had so many crazy"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:04", "text": "ideas that the the thing is John was a"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:09", "text": "great guy. I really liked him. But he"}, {"start": "01:30:04", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "had no BS filter at all. And you know,"}, {"start": "01:30:09", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "like I've said before, he could have a"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "fourstar general come in and say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "I've got a bunch of information here,"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "you know, for you.\" and you know he'd"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "file it and then he can have this"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:28", "text": "literally happened a neighbor girl came"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:32", "text": "over and she said I can see radio waves"}, {"start": "01:30:28", "end": "01:30:34", "text": "and he said okay great and you know"}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:37", "text": "they he puts them both together and they"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:40", "text": "they both have equal weight and you know"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "and I said well"}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:45", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:47", "text": "uh that's crazy John you know and and he"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "said no it's not it's not she said she"}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "can see radio. I said, \"All right. All"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:55", "text": "right. Well, let's get a walkie-talkie."}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "I will bring one over and she can sit"}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:30:59", "text": "there and I'll key it and you know, she"}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:01", "text": "won't be able to see it and she can tell"}, {"start": "01:30:59", "end": "01:31:03", "text": "me when she sees radio waves and when"}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:05", "text": "she doesn't.\" Yeah. I said, \"That's a"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "fair test.\" He said, \"No, you you can't"}, {"start": "01:31:05", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "do a test like that.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "Yeah. And so, but there is so many crazy"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "things. But within all the crazy things"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "like he would still talk to like for"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "example a fourstar general. So it's like"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:24", "text": ">> oh he had great contacts. He really did"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:27", "text": "you know partially because of his father"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:30", "text": "and um you know he wasn't a very"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "accomplished pilot. He had every"}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:36", "text": ">> flying certificate and world record you"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:39", "text": "could possibly have. Um"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:41", "text": "but as time went on he just I he just"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "started"}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:46", "text": "thinking in a nonlinear fashion you know"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "it's just different."}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:53", "text": ">> Yeah. He's uh I mean clear clearly"}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "there's some unhinged you know theories"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "around John Leer but also you know he"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "would he would still talk about things"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:03", "text": "like um like the MJ12 documents or like"}, {"start": "01:32:00", "end": "01:32:05", "text": "uh you know the Aztec crash and stuff"}, {"start": "01:32:03", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "like that. Yeah, he to him there was"}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "there was supposedly hundreds of UFO"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "crashes, which just doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:17", "text": "Um, he also said in the Nellis Mountain"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:21", "text": "Range there's over a billion aliens that"}, {"start": "01:32:17", "end": "01:32:23", "text": "live inside there and you know where do"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "they ever come out? I mean, how can you"}, {"start": "01:32:23", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "not see a billion of anything?"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "[laughter] But, uh, he had he just had"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "so many crazy ideas, but he had a lot of"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "great information, too. who knew a lot"}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:37", "text": "of, you know, prominent people."}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:39", "text": ">> Yeah. I have a feeling if anyone could"}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "get some novel and, you know, good"}, {"start": "01:32:39", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "information out of him, it would be you"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "in an interview. So, I think"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:47", "text": ">> Yeah, definitely."}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:50", "text": ">> But, um, yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:51", "text": ">> Well, Chris, uh, if I may ask you, if"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "you could have, you've already had Mount"}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "Rushmore of guests on the diner."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:56", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:33:00", "text": ">> Talking to each other, who would you"}, {"start": "01:32:56", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "ideally love to have next? Um,"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:04", "text": "I mean there's there's a few there's a"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "few like Alive like"}, {"start": "01:33:04", "end": "01:33:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Otherwise strange podcasts."}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. One of us isn't drinking"}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "coffee, you know."}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:19", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:21", "text": ">> I guess I'll get the bill. Um,"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:25", "text": ">> uh, I would say there's a few like on"}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "the on the celebrity side, I'd love to"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "interview Dan Akroyd. Oh,"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:33", "text": ">> I think he's totally underrated. He's"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "did Joe Rogan once, you know, he's into"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:36", "text": "crystal skulls. Yeah, obviously his"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:38", "text": "crystal skull vodka, but he's his his"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "whole family has a history of like"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "paranormal things. He's got a book"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "coming out soon, which I can't wait to"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:46", "text": "read. And and he's a very fascinating"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "person, a Canadian as well. So,"}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:52", "text": "definitely Dan Akroyd, but also on the"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "more sort of UFO side of things, I"}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "think."}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "man. Huh. Jacqu Valet. O. Yeah, that's a"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "deep cut. I think definitely Jacqu"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:10", "text": "Valet. I'm hoping to make that happen"}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "actually um eventually. Yeah. You know,"}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "I know he's he's you know, he's getting"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:14", "text": "up there and he's not really traveling"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:17", "text": "that. I think he's done doing like"}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:19", "text": "public appearances and stuff and so"}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:21", "text": "yeah, I would love to even even honestly"}, {"start": "01:34:19", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "he's one of those people who even off"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "the record, off camera, I would just"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "love to like he's like the closest thing"}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "to like a shaman we have in like this"}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:33", "text": "euphology business. Like he's been to"}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "more encounter sites than I think anyone"}, {"start": "01:34:33", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "else. He's intertwined with some of the"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "most interesting people and events in"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:44", "text": "the last like you know whatever decades."}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:46", "text": "It's really really um you know this guy"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:48", "text": "helped invent like the internet like you"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "know what I mean like he's he's just a"}, {"start": "01:34:48", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "really really special guy I think him"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:57", "text": "and then Dan Burrish I think could be"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "the other one. So um but yeah also"}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "I believe in Canada uh Dan Burrish. So"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "you know love to make that Dan if you're"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:06", "text": "watching if you're at home you know or"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "Marcia."}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> Yeah he has to come out. He's gota I"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "mean, but you know, that's one of those"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "ones as well where it's like I'm just"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "gonna let you talk"}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:22", "text": ">> and you guys decide [laughter] like not"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:23", "text": "going to weigh in on this one. Um and I"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "think here's another one. Here's a"}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "controversial one and uh this interview"}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:33", "text": "is coming out next week for you guys. So"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "um I interviewed for 4 hours. I sat down"}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "with Richard Dodie"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:44", "text": ">> I already hear the comments on this"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:48", "text": "video. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:50", "text": ">> Hey, how about it? Um, got to say very"}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:53", "text": "aphable guy. It's in his interest to be"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:55", "text": "affable. I understand. But, um, the the"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "conversation was fascinating. We got"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "through a lot of stuff. It's one of"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "those like suspend your disbelief like,"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "you know, giant rocks grain assault. Um,"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "but very interesting nonetheless. That"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "those are Yeah, that's a little sneak"}, {"start": "01:36:08", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "peek. How about you?"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:12", "text": ">> If you had to talk to somebody in this"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:16", "text": "field."}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:17", "text": ">> Oh, I probably Tom Dong just because I'm"}, {"start": "01:36:16", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "a huge Blink fan, but I just love to"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "hear him spew all his stuff. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:25", "text": ">> Michael,"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:29", "text": ">> I mean, if we could if we could find"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "him, uh, General McCassllin's"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "mass"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:35", "text": "and and Lenda together would be"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:37", "text": ">> insane."}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "Yeah. Like I just someone someone who"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "really knows what's going on behind the"}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "scenes at a very high level who like you"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "know oversees like the wooaps like the"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:48", "text": "waved unagnowledged special access"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "programs doesn't have any"}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "compartmentalization talking to someone"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:56", "text": "who has like the crazy philosophical"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:57", "text": "chops you know and like seeing how all"}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "of that would come together that would"}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:00", "text": "be"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:03", "text": ">> that is kind of the missing link is like"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "we hear about the nuts and bolts we hear"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "about like the soft sciences and there"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "is like what joins those two things"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "together is like this weird"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "Greek mythology or something."}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:16", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:18", "text": ">> Or even someone like Grush, you know,"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:20", "text": "he'll specifically talk about these"}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "programs, craft bodies, but then he'll"}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "say,"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:26", "text": ">> you know, spacecraft, but that's not the"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "correct parlance. And he'll and he'll"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:31", "text": "talk about interdimensional stuff in"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "interviews as well. And it's like, how"}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:34", "text": "does all this fit together? like how do"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:37", "text": "the the bodies and the craft and the"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "what you know it's just it's all these"}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "this constellation of super fascinating"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "things that you could guess how they"}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "might connect but you're just not sure."}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "Yeah. And also um they're doing that"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "probably to not say the thing cuz then"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:54", "text": "we all think it's the thing, right? So"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "they're trying to be purposely nebulous"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "like like you know they'll say things"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "like oh it's nonhuman biologics and like"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "or like okay so like plant spit like"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "what are we talking about like like no"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:08", "text": "no it's non-human intelligence like"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:10", "text": "dolphins and cats or like like there's"}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "no term that like correctly vaguely"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "describes everything and it's it's funny"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "hearing like grush specifically like go"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "like they're bipedal plasmoids and"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "you're like"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:25", "text": "so we got to call Ghostbusters, I guess,"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "now, you know, these these things all"}, {"start": "01:38:25", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "sound very strange, you know, but uh"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:31", "text": "yeah, there we can't put a we can't put"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:33", "text": "a thing on it until we know what it is"}, {"start": "01:38:31", "end": "01:38:35", "text": "cuz then or else everybody thinks it's,"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "you know, Martians or Venians or"}, {"start": "01:38:35", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "whatever it is or people in the sun. Um,"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "which I suspect."}, {"start": "01:38:59", "end": "01:39:01", "text": ">> All right. Here, Bob, do you mind if I"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "join you?"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:04", "text": ">> Oh, go right ahead."}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:06", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "[snorts] Um,"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "okay. The number one question, do you"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:14", "text": "think everything is related? I.e. UFOs,"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:16", "text": "paranormal, ancient civilization. This"}, {"start": "01:39:14", "end": "01:39:19", "text": "is by Agent Angel. Bob, I'll start with"}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "you. Do you think it's all related?"}, {"start": "01:39:19", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:27", "text": ">> Very generalized question."}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, very possibly. Very possibly."}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:31", "text": ">> Yep. I think we're all in agreement."}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "We're all in agreement. Very possibly."}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "Very possibly. Okay."}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:38", "text": ">> okay."}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:39", "text": ">> I feel like I felt like Michael had"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "something more."}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:41", "text": ">> Well, I got a I got a better one for"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "Michael here. Anyway, these are all"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "Michael questions, by the way. Agent Mr."}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "Ken asks, \"Is physical reality a"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "manifestation of consciousness?\""}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:55", "text": ">> I mean, do you want the short answer or"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:57", "text": "the long answer? I mean, I"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:39:59", "text": ">> I'm a big fan of idealist philosophy,"}, {"start": "01:39:57", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "which posits that consciousness is like"}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:03", "text": "the ground level of being. Of course,"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "for anybody who's ever heard me talk for"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:06", "text": "more than 2 minutes, there's a good"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "chance that's what I was talking about."}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "Um, so I'm I mean, I'm a fan of that"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "theory. Yes."}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "Um, okay. I I I like this question. Do"}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "the visitors listen to human music?"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "Whoa. And why wouldn't they,"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "Luigi?"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:33", "text": ">> They have to. We've created it. If"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:34", "text": "they're here, they pretty much"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": ">> they're bopping,"}, {"start": "01:40:34", "end": "01:40:39", "text": ">> you know? They know the music."}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:39", "text": ">> Maybe that's why they're here. Who"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "knows?"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:44", "text": ">> Maybe that's why they're here."}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:47", "text": ">> Maybe maybe they're making the music."}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:49", "text": ">> Actually, you know, artists, the muse,"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "the don, the demiurge, right?"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:52", "text": ">> Kanye's pretty weird. I mean, he could"}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "be an alien."}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:54", "text": ">> That's true."}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:54", "end": "01:40:56", "text": ">> They're at least familiar with it. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:40:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:40:59", "text": ">> Yeah. They would have to be. I wonder"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:01", "text": "what they think. They're like, \"Ah,"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "that's so Maybe they're like, \"Ew.\" I"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:06", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:07", "text": ">> we can talk about the that next"}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:08", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> Yeah, go ahead."}, {"start": "01:41:08", "end": "01:41:12", "text": ">> Is the Sasquatch real slash coming to"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:16", "text": "get me up there?"}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:18", "text": ">> Yeah, the Sasquatch is interesting cuz"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:18", "text": "we are in Sasquatch country."}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:24", "text": ">> And uh, are you guys all fans of the"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "Squatch?"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "I I have no idea. Uh, I'm going to leave"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:35", "text": "it up. I think you've got some good"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "takes on on this stuff, honestly."}, {"start": "01:41:35", "end": "01:41:39", "text": ">> Well, I first of all, I live near"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "Whiteall, New York, which is we got the"}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "Bigfoot over where we are. Uh, you guys"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "call them SC Sasquatch. Um, but I've"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:49", "text": "traveled a lot to Nepal and done some"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "mountain climbs, and they have, of"}, {"start": "01:41:49", "end": "01:41:54", "text": "course, the Yeti. Um, one of our"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:56", "text": "investigative reports at the beginning,"}, {"start": "01:41:54", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "uh, was since I traveled there, I was"}, {"start": "01:41:56", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "gonna, and I did, we just haven't kind"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "of put it together, but I filmed kind of"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:08", "text": "a, as much as I could, a deep dive into"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "Yeti lore uh, over there um, in Nepal,"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:12", "text": "which was really interesting, especially"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:15", "text": "in the Sherpa community, the the locals"}, {"start": "01:42:12", "end": "01:42:16", "text": "who live near Mount Everest, they it's"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "funny, I would bring it up. I was asking"}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "everybody, \"Have you ever seen a yeti?"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:22", "text": "Have you ever seen footprints?\" blah"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "blah blah. And they would say, they'd"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:26", "text": "laugh, \"Don't be silly.\" But then they'd"}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:28", "text": "stop laughing and be like, they'd tell"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "me a story where they knew somebody who"}, {"start": "01:42:28", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "had seen footprints or had an experience"}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "or their father had told them stories."}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "And so there was this kind of um"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "pervasive lore that existed within the"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "community that had been around for"}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:49", "text": "centuries and they I think deep down"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "truly believed that this being existed."}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "Was there real proof? I never really got"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:56", "text": "to the bottom of it, but it seemed like"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "they all had this story of something out"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "in the wild that they had encountered"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "and they didn't know what it was. And I"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "feel like that's also kind of similar"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "what I got out of people in the area"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "where I live when I ask about people who"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "are kind of wellversed in the Bigfoot"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "lore. I don't know what it's like out"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "here with Sasquatch, but I think there's"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:20", "text": "kind of like this unknown that people"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:22", "text": "like to have to des to kind of cap"}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:25", "text": "encapsulate the things that they can't"}, {"start": "01:43:22", "end": "01:43:27", "text": "fully describe. And I think Bigfoot is"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:29", "text": "one of those things. Yeti, Sasquatch,"}, {"start": "01:43:27", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "whatever you call it. So, do I think"}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:34", "text": "it's real? I think yes. in some sense. I"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:36", "text": "don't know if the the actual being that"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:38", "text": "we"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:39", "text": "the the crypted that we're talking about"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "is is actually out there. I could be"}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:43", "text": "wrong. I don't know. But this is just my"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "feeling that it's more of a concept that"}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:46", "text": "we"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:48", "text": ">> like an archetype like yeah like a"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "subconscious archetype of something,"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "some type of projection that we're"}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "putting onto the unknown. Um round of"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "applause. Who here believes that they"}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "have seen the Sasquatch? Yeah."}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:06", "text": ">> All right. That's not applause."}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "One more time. Round of applause. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "who's seen a Sasquatch?"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:11", "text": ">> That's not nobody. That's kind of very"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:13", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:15", "text": ">> Has anybody seen There's a guy on"}, {"start": "01:44:13", "end": "01:44:17", "text": "Instagram who claims that he has like a"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "Sasquatch corpse."}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:20", "text": ">> Oh god. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:22", "text": ">> And obviously everybody was like calling"}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:23", "text": " on it and he's like, \"I will"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:25", "text": "saw through it,"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:27", "text": ">> show you the crosssection.\" And then he"}, {"start": "01:44:25", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "did. And he's like got a picture of"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "himself with this crosssection of a"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "giant Sasquatch head."}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:33", "text": ">> Aren't they getting Aren't the pieces"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "getting bigger?"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:36", "text": ">> Weird. Or is it just me? Like they're"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "huge."}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:39", "text": ">> Oh yeah. The head he has is gigantic."}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:42", "text": "Yeah. It's like got to be It's like at"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "least the size of his torso or like from"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "here to it's Yeah, it's big."}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:46", "text": ">> I appreciate the hustle, you know?"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> It's tough to make a living on social"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "media, dude. You got to like get out"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "there and decapitate a Sasquatch. It's a"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:57", "text": "lot of work. I I think for a lot of"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "people like this the crypted"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "conversation is a very slippery one and"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "it's like an area they don't want to go"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "and for I'm kind of one of those people"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "that's much more skeptical of that but"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:10", "text": "you hear stories about like"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:12", "text": ">> skinwalker when"}, {"start": "01:45:10", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "it's like you know John Ke like was also"}, {"start": "01:45:12", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "very reluctant to believe it as well but"}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "he would always talk about these things"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:21", "text": "happening in concert with one another"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:23", "text": "like again these window areas these"}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "times where it would just be a huge"}, {"start": "01:45:23", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "uptick and all kinds of weird sightings"}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:29", "text": "of like of creatures of of"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:31", "text": ">> crap. Wolf men or like Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:33", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, all the skinwalker ranch"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:34", "text": "stuff. It's Yeah, there's a lot."}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:36", "text": ">> Sorry. Go ahead."}, {"start": "01:45:34", "end": "01:45:37", "text": ">> I was just going to throw it over to"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "Bob. I'm curious to know what you think"}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:42", "text": "about cryptids. Like what's is that ever"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "crossed your mind or are you like I'll"}, {"start": "01:45:42", "end": "01:45:44", "text": "believe it when I see it? Like what's"}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "your what's your take?"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:47", "text": ">> Kind of on I'll believe it when I see it"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "type thing. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:51", "text": ">> Yeah. And you don't believe any those"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:53", "text": "old the old video, you know, where he's"}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:56", "text": "like everybody knows I'm doing this, you"}, {"start": "01:45:53", "end": "01:45:58", "text": "know, like you know this video."}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:45:59", "text": ">> I mean, I just haven't seen enough"}, {"start": "01:45:58", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "evidence. I mean, but you know, if"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:02", "text": "you're talking more along the lines of"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:03", "text": "skinwalker,"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:08", "text": "um,"}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:10", "text": ">> do you know that I'm a little more I I"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:12", "text": "lean a little more that way really?"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:15", "text": ">> That's Yeah, that Yeah, I've known that."}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "Not my my personal experience, but I I"}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "have a lot of faith in George Knap,"}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "who's researched that for a long time."}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "And uh you I knew Bob Bigalow who owned"}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "the Skinwalker Ranch. And look, the"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:33", "text": "reason he sold it was because he's, you"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:35", "text": "know, petrified of what's there. And you"}, {"start": "01:46:33", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "know, they've had other physicists and,"}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:40", "text": "you know, that research the place and"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:43", "text": "have entities have followed him back"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:46", "text": "home. And um you know even even George"}, {"start": "01:46:43", "end": "01:46:48", "text": "was concerned about the thing but uh"}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "it's just because I you know trust the"}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "opinions of these people and um I don't"}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:55", "text": "think I'll be going there."}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:56", "text": ">> That was my next question."}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:46:59", "text": ">> You wouldn't stay overnight?"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:00", "text": ">> No, no, no. There's no reason to do"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "that. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> You've heard about the hitchhiker effect"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "and like all that stuff."}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:05", "text": ">> Not liking that at all."}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> I don't know. I'd go I'd go."}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:08", "text": ">> That'd be a good That'd be a good"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "audience question. like what is it worth"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "the the risk to to potentially see"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "something?"}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:20", "text": ">> Oh yeah. I mean I'll I I I've talked to"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "Brandon Fugal like I've texted him. Um"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "and like I'm ready. I'd go. I I mean why"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "not? Um"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:30", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:33", "text": "nice knowing you though. But uh"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:35", "text": "bring some bring some stuff home. Um"}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "yeah, who knows? Who knows what that"}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:38", "text": "stuff is if it's real. I also had Ben"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:40", "text": "Woodruff. He was a biologist on"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:43", "text": "Skinwalker Ranch who they had hired. He"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:46", "text": "has a great interview and Ben's a lovely"}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:49", "text": "person and he's also like a falccer and"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:52", "text": "he's like uh he just he loves studying"}, {"start": "01:47:49", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "sort of uh paleontology and you know all"}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:58", "text": "this all this stuff. But uh he's found"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "tons of anomalous things regarding uh"}, {"start": "01:47:58", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "the biological side of things like the"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "plants that are affected, the animals"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "that are affected. Like for instance,"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:10", "text": "the mammals that are like bigger than a"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:13", "text": "mouse when they find them or any animal"}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:16", "text": "for that matter, they don't decay"}, {"start": "01:48:13", "end": "01:48:19", "text": "at all. They stay limp. They don't even"}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:22", "text": "go hard. There's no rigamortis. Um, they"}, {"start": "01:48:19", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "had a they had a rabbit, I believe, that"}, {"start": "01:48:22", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "was there for three months or a skunk."}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:30", "text": "Three months, no decay. It literally did"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:32", "text": "not decay. And they were studying it."}, {"start": "01:48:30", "end": "01:48:34", "text": "There was still fresh blood in it. After"}, {"start": "01:48:32", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "3 months, this is unheard of. Completely"}, {"start": "01:48:34", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "impossible. And the second they took it"}, {"start": "01:48:36", "end": "01:48:40", "text": "off the ranch, it started decomposing."}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "And so then they're like, is there"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "something there? What if we bring in a"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:46", "text": "dead animal? Will it like and how does"}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "it affect human life? Like there's all"}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "these questions cuz the cows as well,"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:55", "text": "they die and nothing eats them. Like"}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:56", "text": "nothing, no ant, nothing goes near them."}, {"start": "01:48:55", "end": "01:48:58", "text": "They're like we're not, you know, like a"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:00", "text": "lot of mutilation stuff. So yeah, very"}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:03", "text": "strange stuff. Maybe I maybe I won't go."}, {"start": "01:49:00", "end": "01:49:05", "text": "I don't know. Um"}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "uh but that's really all we have time"}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "for unfortunately tonight folks. We've"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "gone over our time. Um,"}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "[cheering and applause]"}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:19", "text": "thank you."}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:19", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:49:19", "end": "01:49:22", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "I want to I want to start by uh thanking"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "my co-hosts. Um, thank you so much,"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:35", "text": "Nelson. Pleasure being here. Thank you"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:37", "text": "all. [applause]"}, {"start": "01:49:35", "end": "01:49:38", "text": ">> Go check out Nelson's work. He has a"}, {"start": "01:49:37", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "YouTube channel as well where he teaches"}, {"start": "01:49:38", "end": "01:49:42", "text": "memory techniques. He also has a book"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:44", "text": "called Remember It, which uh literally"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:45", "text": "will help you remember things. And then"}, {"start": "01:49:44", "end": "01:49:47", "text": "he's got another one called Everyday"}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "Genius that just came out. It's a great"}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "book as well. So, thank you, Nelson. Uh"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "my friend over here, my good compatriate"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "and fellow cohort in the, you know,"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "phenomenon realm, Michael Phillip from"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "Third Eye Drops. Thank you so much."}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "So nice to have you explaining all the"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:11", "text": "things that I don't understand. It's"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "really and Nelson just remembering it."}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:17", "text": "It's awesome. Um uh thank you Luigi"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:19", "text": "Vendatelli for everything you've done."}, {"start": "01:50:17", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:50:19", "end": "01:50:23", "text": "Thank you. [applause]"}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:26", "text": "Thank everybody."}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:29", "text": "And uh thank you to the man of the hour,"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "Mr. Bob Lazar."}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "You know,"}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:44", "text": "I I do want to say, Bob, um, you know,"}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "I've thanked you before for everything"}, {"start": "01:50:44", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "you've done, but this what we've created"}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:52", "text": "here is very special. This is very cool."}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:54", "text": "And I I I, you know, I do not say this"}, {"start": "01:50:52", "end": "01:50:56", "text": "lightly. I don't think I would be here"}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "if it wasn't for you. Like on this"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "stage, I wouldn't be here. And I don't"}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:01", "text": "think we would have this if it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "for you. Like we're looking at the"}, {"start": "01:51:01", "end": "01:51:06", "text": "sports model back here. Like"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:09", "text": ">> you are a massive massive part of"}, {"start": "01:51:06", "end": "01:51:11", "text": "[applause] this. And so if nothing else,"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "if we don't get answers, if we don't get"}, {"start": "01:51:11", "end": "01:51:15", "text": "government disclosure, if we don't get"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "any of that, we got each other. We got"}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:19", "text": "this community. And that for me is more"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "than enough. So thank you so much for"}, {"start": "01:51:19", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "allowing us to uh to be here today. Oh,"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:25", "text": "you're welcome. [applause and cheering]"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "Thank you. And thank you to you guys in"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:30", "text": "Portland. You guys have been absolutely"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:33", "text": "amazing. Best [applause] crowd. so far."}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:35", "text": "We love you so much."}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "Have an awesome and amazing night and a"}, {"start": "01:51:35", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "safe trip home. Good night,"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "[applause and cheering] guys."}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:44", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "[music]"}]

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And it was doing"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "what, uh, we would call that signature"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "management. You didn't get a really good"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "view of it. And the rubber ducky part uh"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "came about because at the top of this"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "craft was some kind of appendage or some"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "kind of protrusion that would look like"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "a duck head. So you think about a rubber"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "ducky toy uh in a swimming pool. Uh"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "think about that and but think of it"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "flying and doing all kinds of strange uh"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "maneuvers. So this was tracked by this"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "homeland security air asset."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "uh subsequently"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "uh I believe it was attributed to"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "an asset uh for the US government doing"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "border security and it just was a type"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "of drone that was probably not"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "acknowledged. It wasn't doing uh"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "incredible speeds like a UAP because"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "this air asset was able to follow it."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "And that's just one of many high"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "stranges things that happened in"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Arizona. It's a great place. If you want"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "to see UAP, move to Arizona."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Uh Sedona seems to be like a hot spot"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "for this stuff."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": ">> Yes, indeed."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> Have you been out to Sedona?"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Yes, I've been on a UFO tour sponsored"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "by Melinda Leslie."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> Oh, yes."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> She's with the"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> She talks about my Lab stuff, right?"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Yes. Center for the New Age. She does"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "talk about my lab experiences that she"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "had. I went on a UFO tour and it's worth"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "every penny because she gives your money"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "back if you don't see one."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Wait, so you saw something out there? I"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "saw a UAP craft, not a satellite. I know"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "what satellite trajectories look like in"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "the sky, but satellites do not traverse"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "the sky,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "then turn around, loop around, go left,"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "go right, and then go back to its"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "trajectory again."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> And it was seen through night vision"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "goggles. Um, if you took the night"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "vision goggles off, you could not see"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "it. But with the night vision goggles"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "on, you can clearly see uh this"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "particular object which I consider to be"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "a UAP."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": ">> And this is coming from someone who did"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "signals intelligence."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Signals intelligence. Yes. And I had my"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "fair share of looking at electric"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "optical imagery uh collected by NRO as"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "part of my my job. So I knew that this"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "was not a satellite. Satellites would"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "tear itself apart doing those type of"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "maneuvers in space."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> We got the crash saucer."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> This is a cozy vibe. I like this a lot."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Yeah. And these seats are damn"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "comfortable."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> We're going to have John Ramirez."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> How long was he in the CIA?"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> 25 years."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> 25 years"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> sitting in the hot seat tonight."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> We're [snorts] bringing up 2027."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> We're bringing up hybrids."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> There's no escaping, John."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Have you seen anything like that while"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "you were working with the CIA?"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "uh only from the window of an airplane."}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Um I was going to a UFO conference in"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "the summer of 2001. It was before 9/11."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Um we were flying um across the US uh"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "from Baltimore, Washington International"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "to LAX. Um I was with my friend, another"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "CIA officer. We went to this UFO"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "conference on our own dime paying for"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "our own hotel rooms. So it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "anything official. And back then, United"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Airlines allowed passengers to tune in"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "to cockpit communications. You can hear"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "a cockpit talking to the air traffic"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "controllers."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> I didn't know that."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "across the southwest US, we were over"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "the southwest US, uh probably right over"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Arizona. Um the pilot reported that"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "there was an object uh traversing his"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "field of view, his path, flight path"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "from left to right in that direction and"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "that it was like an orange object going"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "very fast and I was sitting on the right"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "side in the back of the airplane. I"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "opened my uh window shade and looked out"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "and there it was a bright orange orb"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "receding uh in the background going"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "north. So we were going west east to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "west from the east coast to the west"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "coast and this object was going due"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "north and I was thinking oh that's"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "interesting. We're over the southwest."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "What's north of us? Oh Nevada. Uh, the"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "pilot was asked by air traffic control"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "whether he wanted to report it. And of"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "course, back then, no, that's okay."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "We're not reporting. After Tucson, we"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "hit the road for a 6-hour drive through"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the desert. [music] Our destination for"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "the evening was Joshua Tree,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "where we all took part in a small group"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "[music] meditation before bed."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "Lots of meteors [music] satellites. And"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "as for this little thing,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> that was nuts. [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "That got so bright. Wa."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> I'm recording [music] it."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> I You know, your guess is as good as"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "mine. It could just be a rotating piece"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "of [music] space debris for all I know."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "But whatever. It was still fun to see."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "It was the next day and it was time to"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "get on to our next destination. But"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "before we did that, I wanted to visit a"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "place known only as giant rock [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "in the middle of the Mojave Desert."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Nothing for literally miles. And then"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "all of a sudden, this massive rock,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "7 stories tall, 6,000 tons of granite,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "and for years, it was the largest"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "freestanding boulder on Earth."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "Well, a German prospector named Frank"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Kitser got there first. He dug himself"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "an apartment underneath it, 400 square"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "ft of home under a boulder."}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "And sadly, his story ends well pretty"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "tragically. You see, in 1942, deputies"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "come out to question him about, you"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "know, being a German in 1942,"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and there ends up being a standoff, and"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "Critzer dies in an explosion under his"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "own rock."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "Now, enter George [music] Vanasel. This"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "guy is an aircraft guy. He worked for"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "Douglas, for Hughes, and in 1947, he"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "moves him and his family out to Giant"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "Rock, takes over the little airirstrip,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "opens up a cafe. August 24th, 1953, 2 in"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "the morning, George says a man walks up"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "to him."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": ">> The man got off of the ship and"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "approached me before I even knew there"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "was a ship down."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> Where were you then? What time of day or"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "night was it?"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> It was 2:00 in the morning and uh"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "approximately a full moon, which is like"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "daylight on the desert. And uh I asked"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "him what he wanted and he said my name"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "is Sandanda and I would be pleased to"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "show you our craft."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> Was this the guy who gave you the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "formula for the time machine?"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> That's the man."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> And what form did the formula take? Did"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "he implant it in your mind by telepathy"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "or did he give you something written in"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "English?"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": ">> He spoke it to me verbally"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> and you remembered this."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> There's nothing to it to remember."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Well, you tell me now. The formula for a"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "time machine"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> f= 1 / t."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> F = 1 / t. F being frequency and T being"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": ">> Now, if I came to you with that story,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "you'd tell me I'm out of my mind. But"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "here's the thing about George. He told"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "everybody and people came. He started"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "the Giant Rock spacecraft convention."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "First one saw a couple hundred people"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "and by the late 50s 11,000"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "11,000 people. And the machine, well, he"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "ended up building it. It's now known as"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "the Integratron."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "It's 45 ft across, 38 ft tall. He spent"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "18 years and every dollar he had. He"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "died in 1978, just weeks [music] before"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "it was finished. And I think Josh, you"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "told me this was referenced in the raw"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "material. I believe they asked if there"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "was any point in completing this because"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "it's not finished. It was built and kind"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "of just left. I can't remember quite"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "why. and RA came back and basically said"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "the time for what it was originally"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "built for has passed and that it's"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "almost like irrelevant at this point in"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "the timeline. It's still standing out"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "there. Unfortunately, it was closed when"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "we came by, but this thing normally"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "houses sound baths and meditative"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "retreats and you can just go sit inside"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "it, but nobody to this day really has"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "figured out possibly the true potential"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "of this place. Who knows? It remains a"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "mystery. Next stop is Los Angeles,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "California, where I'll be interviewing"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "Daryl Anka, otherwise known for"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "channeling an extraterrestrial being"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "named Bashar."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:12", "text": ">> You've had your own encounter in 1973."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Two."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Two, actually. Yes. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> So, these triangular crafts,"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> right? Exactly. Uh, first time about 150"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "ft away. Second time only about 70 ft"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "away in broad daylight with witnesses."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "Thank goodness both times. Um, black"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "equilateral triangular ships, blue white"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "light on each point, dull red orange"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "light underneath. First time we were"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "driving down into the valley from West"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "LA and it was hovering over a hotel in"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "the distance. And at first I thought"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "this was a helicopter or a plane or"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "something, but then we realized it"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "really wasn't moving. It was just stock"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "still. And as we drove past it to go on"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "the interchange, it moved from one side"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "of the freeway to the other side of the"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "freeway, which is now on my left again"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "cuz we're moving around in the other"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "direction. And then it just took off"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "over the valley like it was riding on a"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "sheet of glass. It was the strangest"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "motion I've ever seen because even a"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "small airplane just kind of, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "like wobbles through the air a little"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "bit. This was just like it was pulled on"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "a string. And we were all excited about"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "having seen something like that cuz you"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "know we've heard stories of UFOs but"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "when you finally see something like that"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "it changes everything. And then you know"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "we kind of like were all excited and"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "kind of got over it. But a week later"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "when one of the friends was with me"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "again we were in West Los Angeles. We"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "were stopped at a stoplight on a major"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "street and again either exactly the same"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "craft or an identical one flew at about"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "70 ft above the intersection and went"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "over the neighborhood. And we were like"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "looking at each other like what's going"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "on? Are we being invaded? What's"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "happening? And so on a whim, I decided"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "to just follow it. So I turned right."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "She was leaning out the window riding"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "shotgun and she was basically telling me"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "where it was because I was trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "keep my eyes on the road. There were a"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "lot of trees in the neighborhood and we"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "would lose it now and then. So she would"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "go, you know, turn left, turn right,"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "it's over there, it's over there. And I"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "did my best to follow it. And at one"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "point, we just completely lost sight of"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "it. And I on a whim, I just decided, I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "just going to make a hard right. And I"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "did. And she yelled, \"Stop.\" I stepped"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "on the brakes. We both looked out the"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "window and this thing was hovering just"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "70 ft above the car. We're staring at it"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "and then it just shot up into the clouds"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "in the blink of an eye. No sound,"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "nothing. And we got out of the car."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "We're looking around trying to find it."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "It was gone. The weirdest thing, the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "most surreal thing is there [music] was"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "no one in the neighborhood. No one"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "watering their lawn, no one walking"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "their dog, nothing. It was like this"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "thing had happened just for us. And so"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "from that moment forward, I realized,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "you know, reality is not what I was told"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "it is. There is some other level to it"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "here. Something's going on because what"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "we had just seen, we were all was told"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "didn't exist. But there it was in broad"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "daylight, as close as you could possibly"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "imagine for something like that. A real"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "machine in the sky. So from that moment"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "forward is when I started doing the"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "research to find out what was going on"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "and ultimately led me here to do"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "channeling."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": ">> Yeah. I had uh looked up your journey."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "It was like a decade later that you"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "discovered [clears throat] channeling"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "and then you uh you were interested in"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "finding out how that worked and you"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "attended a seminar and"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": ">> Right. I had read a few books on it like"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "the Seth material and stuff like that. I"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "knew what channeling sort of was, but uh"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "um a particular channel who was"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "conducting seminars um at one point when"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "I had gone to listen and done so for a"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "few months and thought this is really"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "interesting information, the channel"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "offered to teach a channeling class and"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "I didn't understand how channeling could"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "be taught. I just everything I had read"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "was like well it just sort of hits you"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "like a bolt out of the blue and you you"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "lose consciousness and then people tell"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "you you've been talking for two hours"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "and then you wake up and go what what"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "was that you know but so I was curious"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "to see what this process was and what"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "they did was a series of guided"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "meditations and the entity that the"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "person was channeling is actually"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "teaching the class so we're in these"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "guided meditations for about 6 weeks"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "into the course and then I received In"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "the middle of this meditation, what I"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "can only describe as just this download"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "of memory and information of I"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "understood the UFO had been shown to me"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "on purpose to get me to start doing the"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "research I needed to do. I remembered"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "having made an agreement before this"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "life with Bashar to do this channeling"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "because these things are set up before"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "the incarnation. And the me I saw an"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "image of his face. I heard the word"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "Bashar. I didn't know what that meant"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "exactly. And"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "the message that was there was now it's"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "time for you to begin to do this if this"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "is something you still want to do. Now"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "all this literally flashed into my head"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "in a split second. I didn't say anything"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "to anyone. But the minute this happened,"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "the entity coming through the channel"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "stopped talking to the class and turned"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "to me and pointed at me and said,"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "\"There's an entity here for you right"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "now if you're ready to begin.\""}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": ">> Wow. And I opened my eyes and I was a"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "little shocked and I looked around and"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "one of the classmates behind me somehow"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "had picked up on the image that I saw of"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "Bashar's face and she was sketching it"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "on a piece of paper. So I said, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "okay. There's two outside validations"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "that something's going on here. It's not"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "just my imagination. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "hallucinating. It's not a side effect of"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "the meditation. Something real is"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "happening.\" And that's what made me"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "think, okay, I'll keep practicing and"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "see where this goes. I did well enough"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "that the teacher asked me to co-ch the"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "next class with him. And during that"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "class, a woman came named Margot who"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "wanted to do a doctoral thesis paper on"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "the connection between channeling and"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "psychology. And I became one of her"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "subjects. I would go to her house. I"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "would channel for her few friends. She"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "would sit in her chair and take her"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "notes and write her paper. Well, words"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "started spreading. People made"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "recordings. They started sharing them."}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "And so the crowds every week that we"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "were doing this started growing and"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "growing and growing. We had to do it"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "twice a week to accommodate everyone. We"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "had to do it in more houses to"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "accommodate everyone. People started"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "sharing the tapes and I got invited to"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "different cities to do it, different"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "countries to do it. And here I am more"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "than 40 years later still. This show"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "like Tucson ended up selling out and we"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "had such a great time. Hire some actors"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "to play the Men in Black and the Gray"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Alien which ended up being a huge hit"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "with the fans. Uh this is where uh a"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "machine comes in, transports the humans"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "to go where to where they need to go"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": ">> like in a ship powered by human blood."}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": ">> We also integrated some live interactive"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "moments during the show thanks to Yoni,"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "one of the show's producers. This"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "included mini games, questions for the"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "guests, trivia, and much, much more. Now"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "that that was done, time to pack up and"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "head to San Francisco to meet up with"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "another co-host as well as our guest,"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Whitley Strieber."}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "This place was so impressive, adorned by"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "massive Greek pillars, I thought it was"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "a most fitting [music] venue to welcome"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Michael Phillip, a Greek philosophy"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "connoisseur and host of the Third Eye"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "Drops podcast. I think the idea of"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "interacting with higher non-human"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "intelligences was something that was"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "completely taken for granted by our"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "ancestors. Not only like in the Greco"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "Roman culture, though I am I am fond of"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "that one. [music] I mean in native"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "cultures in in the from east to west it"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "doesn't matter. The idea that we were in"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "this giant ecosystem of intelligence is"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "seen and unseen was just like totally"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "taken for granted by these cultures. The"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "muse, the don gods, whatever. like the"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "idea of course our minds are submerged"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "in this larger ecology of intelligences"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "and beings and I think we've badly"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "degraded our imagination around these"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "things over the course of millennia for"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "for a ton of different reasons but I"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "know you don't really like the term"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "non-human intelligence but I kind of do"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "like it because it it opens up the"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "pallet so much in terms of this what"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "this paniply of intelligences could me"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "and and I think to a degree we need to"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "return to this worldview to some extent"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "there can be a lot of ulterior motives"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "with words like god or angel or demon"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "right it people are trying to trojan"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "horse an entire worldview and whole"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "narrative onto you when they use those"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "words sometimes so I share or alien man"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "like I mean it's"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:51", "text": ">> there's a very specific version of that"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "whole narrative that I'm very suspect of"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "because it can be used to manipulate"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "people's minds, right? Like whether it's"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "Project Blue Beam or some like religious"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "agenda, right? But I still think we do"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "need to go in those directions to get"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "closer to truth. But but it's a very uh"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "windy booby trap laden path, you know?"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Well, I mean, I think the idea of what"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "beauty even is, what these structures"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "are, what they represent, like the the"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "geometric and mathematical rules that"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "underpin all of these things. Like all"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "of those were considered to be these"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "sacred transmissions. I think at the end"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "of the day, we still don't really know"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "what's going on like with the with the"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "phenomenon or how it could or could not"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "be connected. I really do think we do"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "need to bring back the idea that we are"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "in an ecosystem of intelligences and"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "many of those intelligences are higher"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "and potentially something we're"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "interacting with all the time completely"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "ignorantly of."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": ">> Do you think that we are currently"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "deciphering the UFO topic much like"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "people are still trying to decipher a"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "lot of these allegorories?"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": ">> Yeah, for sure. And and I think some of"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "the allegorories still fit incredibly"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "well when you project things like the"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "phenomenon onto them. I mean, as you"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "know, one of my favorites is Plato's"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "Cave, right? And I think there's a a"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "very obvious version of of that, like"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "how how those two things fit onto one"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "another, the phenomenon in the Plato's"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "Cave story. essentially this idea that"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "we're living in this lower dimensional"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "slice of reality and there's truly a"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "much deeper grander truth outside of"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "this cave or matrix of experiences of"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "the physical world that we think that we"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "live within. Um you know they're only"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "shadows on the cave wall in the in the"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "allegory. Um and I think honestly that"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "this is what the physical world is is"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "like shadows on the cave wall of our"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "psyches. Well, what's happening here is"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "this. For better or for worse, these"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "things are happening all around the"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "world now. People are waking up to this,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "especially in the first world. And it'll"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "spread and deepen over the years and"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "enter into our belief systems and our"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "cultures and our societies in thousands"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "upon thousands of different ways. What's"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "happening is very simple. Mankind,"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "humankind is becoming a cosmic species."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "We will be projecting into the stars"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "and into other levels of reality over"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "the next few generations"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "if we survive. And that's the open"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "question always with every species."}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "Everybody has a chance. Everybody comes"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "to this point and everybody"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "comes to this razor's edge that we're"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "on. And it's a great place to be if you"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "can balance on the edge of a razor."}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "If they show up in numbers, it will"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "redirect our whole attention toward them"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "and we will stop going on our own"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "journey, innovating and discovering on"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "our own. and [music] that's not what"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "they want. So I think that their direct"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "contact with us is going to be as"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "careful and judicious as it is [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "possible to be and certain people will"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "be in on many different levels will be"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "in contact. [music] There are people in"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "the government I'm I know and quite sure"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "are in contact. Uh people on the outside"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "are in contact. I'm not the only"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "experiencer who's had this [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "experience and is in contact, but I"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "think that there will always be a level"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "of question for everybody, even the"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "people who are in contact. Uh because if"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "there isn't a level of question, then we"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "lose our sense of innovation and we and"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "they're not interested. We become"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "supplicants."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "They also it's a there's a sink or swim"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "level to this too because you know a new"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "world if you can take it was said to"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "Phil Corso and that's the defining"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "reality of contact can we take it we got"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "to pull this out of their hands we got"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "to shake them until they for till we"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "force them to give us what we want and"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "they will not give us anything on a"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "silver platter uh I'm in the space of"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "working with the public uh what they"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "happens with the government is fine. I"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "don't do that. I, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "fascinated by it, of course, but it's"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "not my my part of in this. My part in"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "this is to take people to the point"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "where they say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "what the heck's going on here?\" That's"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "where I want people to [music] go. Not"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "to say, \"Ah, that's nonsense.\" But to,"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "\"What the heck is going on here?\" And"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "then I want them to take it from there"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "on their own and go where they want to"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "go and need to go. I don't want to tell"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "them where to go. I'm not a teacher. I"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "am a um more of a more of a catalyst is"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "what I try to be."}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": ">> Very well put. Um lastly, Widly, I just"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "wanted to thank you. You know, being"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "here today with all these people in the"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "crowd, it it isn't lost on me that a lot"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "of this is attributed to you and your"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "story and what you did for the world and"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "in terms of helping experiencers come"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "forward. It it was massive. And to this"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "day, people I interview um from all"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "across the world reference seeing the"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "cover of that book and that changing"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "their lives. So this tonight is in big"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "part thanks to you. So I wanted just to"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "thank you."}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": ">> Well, you know, thank you. I I have to"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "tell you, if I had known that when I was"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "starting this out, I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "would have happened. My wife knew. She"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "knew from the beginning exactly what was"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "going on. She was amazing. But she kind"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "of kept it to herself and I I just went"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "out there and did what seemed right."}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": ">> We talk about disclosure and we kind of"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "lump it all in like disclosure, aliens,"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "UFOs. It's all this one thing, but I"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "kind of see it as like there's this"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "government disclosure and there's kind"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "of characters within that realm. And"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "then there's kind of like historical"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "eupfology that's always been there and"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "there are some so many great stories"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "that that have out, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "outdate this government disclosure by a"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "long long time. And I feel like people"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "who are maybe newer since like the last"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "10 years into this topic see that as all"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "one thing. But I feel like as people"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "begin to get more and more maybe like"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "discouraged and losing faith in the"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "government side of things,"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "they're going to realize that there's"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "actually there's two different sides to"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "this. And when that fatigue happens,"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "they're going to realize that they don't"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "need the government to tell them the"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "aliens are real or that we're not alone"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "or whatever it is that they're looking"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "for because there's enough sort of"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "anecdotal evidence and testimony and"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "just a wealth of stories that you can"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "kind of put the pieces together yourself"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "and it might not be that concrete answer"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "that they're looking for, but it's"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "enough to give themselves confirmation."}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "And that's where I think it's going to"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "go. I I mean I would love for the"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "government to come out and tell us all"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "the things we want to hear, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "have too much faith in it."}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": ">> Next stop was Portland, Oregon, where we"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "would add my friend and memory champion"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "Nelson Delos to the list of co-hosts."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "And we're about to surprise the audience"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "with our next guests. I've always wanted"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "it to be real that there are aliens or"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "something else out there. And I've"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "always thought there was. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "My mom had a experience"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "um uh with a phenomenon when she was"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "when my my sister was a baby and she'd"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "tell that story all the time and have I"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "ever told you that story?"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:46", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": ">> She was um we lived in England at I"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "don't think I was born yet. Uh and so my"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "sister my sister's 2 years older so she"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "was still a baby in like an infant chair"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "in the backseat of a car. My mom was"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "driving home. We lived in England at the"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "time and if you've been to England,"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "which you [music] have um you know their"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "streets like that, yeah, they have"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "highways, but their normal streets are"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "very dark. Um there's no like street"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "lights. You they're winding roads"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "through forests and stuff. Very common."}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "And she was driving home one evening in"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "the dark, pitched dark, you know, in"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "winter where it's like dark at by 4. And"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "um yeah, suddenly just a bright light"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "right above her. And you know, I always"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "asked her like, \"Mom, could it have been"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "a helicopter, a plane?\" She's like, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "there's we [music] lived out of nowhere,"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "you know, middle of nowhere.\" And that"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "light was so bright. It was right on top"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "of me and it stayed with me for like 5"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "10 minutes. And I was terrified. I had"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "this feeling of um like unease. She said"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "the radio was static and like her watch"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "stopped. Um, and she she like never"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "wants to talk about it cuz there's this"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "like the the feeling it gives her. Um,"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "and then it disappeared. But yeah,"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "anyways, I would love to I loved hearing"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "that story. I always try to get more out"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "of it like were you abducted? What was"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "what did the time say? You know, like"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "when you stopped and but she could never"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "give me much more than that. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "anyway, so it's it's been something I've"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "been fascinated with for a long time."}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "Um, and then I had those experiences"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "with uh remote viewing and kind of out"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "of body and and just tapping deeper into"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "my mind also because of the memory"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "stuff. And I don't know, I just feel"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "like there's more out there. And the"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "more you believe in that, the UFO stuff"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "doesn't seem so impossible anymore."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "Knowing you and you telling me all these"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "stories, I don't know the whole history"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "like you do and all the different cases"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "and how crazy they get. I've also heard"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "stuff from you that I just think I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "know. I don't I don't know if I believe"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "that. So, um you've taught me to be very"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "kind of I'm I've always been skeptical,"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "but you've taught me to kind of be just"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "hear it all. Survey the landscape and"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "pick out those um commonalities, you"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "know, and the commonalities there's a"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "lot, you know, that at the very basic"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "level are there. And so if you just take"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "that um I think it's very clear that"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "something's out there. We tend to"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "remember things that are out of the"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "ordinary that are [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "not of the norm out there bizarre"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "emotionally striking. So an experience"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "like that uh is filled with all of that,"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "right? Just probably the wonder, the"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "fear, the excitement, um the novelty."}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "Are you remembering the actual"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "experience? Are you remembering the"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "story that you tell? Right? And"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "inevitably when you tell a story, we"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "talked about this that you're trying to"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "bring the person into the story. [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "And to do that, you have to you'll"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "naturally I don't want to say embellish"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "cuz that sounds like you're purposefully"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "making it false, but you do want to try"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "to give the person you're telling the"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "story to the feeling that you had. And"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "that requires"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "storytelling, [music]"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "drawing out explanations and inserting"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "details that might over time kind of"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "grow and and fluff up uh to something"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "more than it was. I I I know if I if I'm"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "honest with myself and some of the"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "stories that I've told, I'm sure um with"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "the experiences I've had, they probably"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "aren't as accurate as um I now remember"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "them to be the story. So, you have to be"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "careful with that. Um, and I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "every experiencer,"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "um, there's always going to be an"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "element of truth. Well, not always, but,"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "uh, in the honest ones that are really"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "telling a story of something that"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "happened to them, there's going to be an"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "element of the truth, but you always"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "have to be skeptical and and obviously"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "take everything with a grain of salt,"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "every little detail."}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": ">> Wanted to get your take. You know, we're"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "in Oregon. Um, this state is known for a"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "lot of sightings. It has the McMinnville"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "UFO Festival. It has a a real sort of"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "like collective effervescence around"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "this topic where you know people feel"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "the sense of community around here and"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "now with this show that we're bringing"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "here. What does it mean to you to be a"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "part of this in a way that"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "isn't so serious? It's good to see that"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "the attitude has changed. I mean, people"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "are accepting the fact that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "hey, maybe all this is real and that"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "really wasn't that really wasn't the"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "line of thinking back in the 80s. So,"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "it's it's good to see that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "but I'm kind of a reluctant participant,"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "you know. Like I said, I was I don't"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "follow UFO lore stories or anything"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "along those lines, and I certainly"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "didn't believe in any of it before, you"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "know, getting the the job. But um it it"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "is good to see the attitudes changing."}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": ">> Now, I'll be posting this entire show on"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "the channel soon, so stay tuned for"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "that. And if you want to see all the"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "behindthe-scenes shenanigans of the"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "entire tour, you can join the membership"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "here on YouTube or on Patreon for just"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "$5 a month. You'll get early access to"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "every upload, access to our top secret"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "section on the Discord, as well as"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "weekly update videos on upcoming and"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "past episodes. Now, Oregon has a pretty"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "important role as far as UFO history"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "goes. You know the words flying saucer?"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "Well, that was actually born in"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "Pendleton, Oregon."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": ">> Later, when asked by a reporter to"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "describe how they flew, Arnold said"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "their motion was like saucers skipping"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "over water."}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": ">> June 1947, Kenneth Arnold tells a local"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "reporter what he'd seen over Mount"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "Reineer. And within a day, the term is"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "everywhere on Earth. And then in"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "McMminville 1950, a farmer and his wife"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "look up, grab a camera, and take two"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "photographs that ran in Life magazine."}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "And nobody has ever fully debunked them."}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:50", "text": ">> Can you tell us a little bit about the"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "McMill one? Do you know anything about"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:55", "text": ">> Well, more about the shape of the craft"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "that always fascinated me. And it's got"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "this um it's it's it's it's a looks like"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "flying saucer in a way. doesn't have the"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "it's flat on the bottom and it has a"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "looks like an antenna on the top with a"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "type of a sphere kind of an antenna and"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "it's crooked. It's like angled"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "and I found that to be very interesting"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "based on some of the information that"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "you know I retrieved from Bob throughout"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "the years. And you think about the sport"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "model had a waveguide terminator which"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "is like this little antenna on top of"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "the craft. A lot of people draw antennas"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "on the craft. Even the kids at Aerial"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "drew uh an antenna on the craft. And"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "here's this craft that had is it and"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "it's on an angle."}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "It's it's tilted and the antenna is"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "tilted, which"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "almost makes sense if you really know"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "the science, a little bit of the science"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "behind it. So, we took liberty at a"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "certain point when we were building S4"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "and there was, you know, Bob saw a whole"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "bunch of a whole bunch of adjacent hang"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "anger doors open, a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "crafts, but he didn't really get to see"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "past the two the two, but there was"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "other ones he says, I couldn't tell. So,"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "we had to create have creative liberties"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "and put anything further away. So, when"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "our VR experience comes out, the fifth"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "hanger has the McMinnville UFO in there."}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> so right now currently it's in the"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "movie. You just can't see it."}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:23", "text": ">> You can't see it, but it's there."}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:24", "text": ">> But it's there."}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:27", "text": ">> It's there."}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Just for fun because we thought if"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "we have to create our own designs, why"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "not use some that people saw? So, we"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "even have the one from Falcon Lake in"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "there. Yeah. Yeah. We have one from"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "Falcon Lake. We have the McMinnville."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "And we have another one. I can't"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "remember which one it was, but there's"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "three known UFOs that are further out"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "there. I say this to you all the time."}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "To [music] me, it's like the best"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "outcome I could have seen in my lifetime"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "at this age where I'm still, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "knock on wood, healthy enough to go"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "around, hang out with friends, talk"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "about it, and it's no longer taboo, at"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "least in many [music] new circles. And"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "it's like there's there's people"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "interested, people asking questions."}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "Curiosity is growing, but in a positive"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "way. The questions are not to trap"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "people, but inquisitive questions to"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "inform people, which is a completely"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "different thing. You used to get a lot"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "of I want to catch your lie questions."}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "Now it's I want to know questions, which"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "is so different. The ' 80s and the '9s"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "was such a different time. Now I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "this is great. and you know, hanging out"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "with you and hanging out with all the"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "people that you brought together and all"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "this, it's just freaking awesome. So,"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "after signing some posters and taking"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "some photos, it was time to pack up and"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "head to Seattle. Shout out to Andre"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "Ingolstad, who helped me shoot this next"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "segment. Funny story, he was actually"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "the guy who sent in his triangular craft"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "video, which was featured at the"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "beginning of one of the episodes that I"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "made about triangular crafts. I'll leave"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "his Instagram below where you can follow"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "his page. He sailed across the Atlantic"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "in a pirate ship and captured some"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "really amazing sites. In Seattle, we"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "welcomed forensic anthropologist Dr."}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "Michael Masters. I sort of saw a lot of"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "skepticism,"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "um, some dismissal [music] and a ton of"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "ambivalence for a long time. People just"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "kind of like, see what you're doing over"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "there, don't want any part of it, just"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "going to ignore it. Um, I kind of"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "challenged that in my institution"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "specifically cuz I taught a 300 levelvel"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "UFO class like not how psychologists or"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "society sees UFOs, but this is real."}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "Came in day one. We're going to talk"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "about this. Posters all over campus."}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "It's on the books and um kind of forced"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "a lot of people and the administration,"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "my academic colleagues to be at a point"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "where they can't ignore it anymore. And"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "the class went super well. Um, [music]"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "my administrative assistant said I had"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "the highest student evaluation score"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "she's ever seen. [music] Um, the"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "students loved it. Word across campus"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "spread. I've been asked if I'm teaching"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "that class again probably 50 or 60 times"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "[music] since. Um, and yeah, like the"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "administration's been supportive. uh"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "went on Rogan in December and that kind"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "of made its way through the vice"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "chancellor, chancellor, dean and uh"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "despite talking about a ton of weird"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": " with them, they kind of accepted"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "with um some level of skepticism the"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "reality of the phenomenon and what we're"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "talking about. And I think to answer"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "your question, it's really been"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "legitimized a lot over the last 5 to six"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "years. [music]"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "um especially since 2019 with the New"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "York Times article, people testifying in"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "front of Congress under oath obviously"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "had a lot to do with it. [music] And"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "then things like this, things like what"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "you're doing, going out being public"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "with this and in [music] digital form in"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "person, just really um normalizing the"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "topic. I think that's the biggest part"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "of this."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:10", "text": ">> Are you going to pursue this more on an"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "academic side? Are you looking to do"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "more personal study into this topic or"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "are you like, \"Hey, I've laid my cards"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "out. You guys make of it what you will?\""}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": ">> Um, a little bit of each of those. After"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "a year and a half, I just finished the"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "audiobook version of my novel, which was"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "kind of the third piece in this puzzle"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "for me. There's like a hard science book"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "that's been called Dense by a lot of"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "people. One that brings the science in,"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "but it's more stories. [music] It's more"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "readable. And then this novel is just"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "kind of a up journey through time"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "but appeals to a different audience also"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "bringing that science in in different"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "ways. So there's that side. Um I'm also"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "collaborating with a number of academic"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "colleagues at Harvard, Ohio State. Uh"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "RZswan Verk is one of our co-authors on"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "a paper that we just started writing uh"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "two weeks ago. We just had a meeting"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "over Zoom. So I'm still doing the"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "academic articles. um almost exclusively"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "with regard to the phenomenon or things"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "tangentially related to it. [music] Uh"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "unfortunately my main biological"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "anthropology research has taken a back"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "seat. Um but I feel like there's so much"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "going on with this question. It's"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "potentially one of the biggest questions"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "of our time. So I'm obviously willing to"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "put my time [music] into that and put"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "some of these other things on the back"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "burner for a while. So, it's a good mix"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "of things that bring me joy doing things"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "like this with you. Um, [music]"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "just having fun with science fiction and"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "really trying to get"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "this question and discussions about it"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "out [music] in academic journals,"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "peer-reviewed journals, and really bring"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "this conversation to the scientific"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "masses."}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:58", "text": ">> You spent a lot of years teaching. Has"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "has there ever been an overlap for you"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "in an academic sense with a student or a"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "peer where you've engaged with sort of"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "talking about the phenomena?"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:12", "text": ">> Um, not UFOs or UAPs or aliens"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "specifically, but definitely, you know,"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "I've gone into mind stuff. Uh, my memory"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "of course always peaks its head in cuz"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "I'm teaching them. So, I use my"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "techniques and eventually some student"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "looks me up and like, \"Oh, you I watch"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "your YouTube videos. It was amazing. I"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "learned how to memorize this.\" And so,"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "then I sometimes at the end of the"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "semester or when appropriate, I'll do a"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "lesson on memory. And a couple"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "semesters, I even did some remote"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "viewing um when we had extra time. I"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "didn't explain what I was doing, but I"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "did some little classroom tests where I"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "I brought in a box. I had an item in a"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "box that I chose at random from my home"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "and I was just like, \"All right, guys."}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "Everybody, piece of paper. We're going"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "to try a little mental exercise. Has"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "nothing to do with class right now, but"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "um you know, it's a fun little um"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "reprieve from our uh you know, studies.\""}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "And then I just see who would get that"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "got the closest or if anything would"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "come up and of course that led into like"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "Nelson, why are we doing this? And I'd"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "have to explain kind of this whole"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "thing. So we sometimes would spend a"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "lecture just talking about that part of"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "the phenomenon,"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:19", "text": ">> remote hearing and sigh studies."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:24", "text": ">> Did you ever how how was the interest"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "level there? Cuz I I feel like hearing"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "um Dr. Masters talk about it"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "like the stigma doesn't exist with them"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "as much as it it exists with us or our"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "generation."}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:39", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. I'm very I was very"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "hesitant to do that uh in those classes"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "but then I did it twice and and both"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "times different [music] semesters. Both"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "classes were really engaged. Um had tons"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "of questions even more engaged than some"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "of my other like actual lectures for the"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "class. Um, and I've had a few people"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "come up to me and be like tell me their"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "stories and that they had some weird,"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "you know, coincidences or"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "synchronicities or, you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "premonitions and things like that. Um,"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "we never got into UFO type stuff, but"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "um, they were definitely open to it more"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "than I would have imagined um, the"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "topic. Yeah. Do you see a future where"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "there are classes like the ones that"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "Michael taught or perhaps like a remote"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "viewing, [music] you know, lecture done"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "in an academic sort of prestigious,"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "you know, institution? Is that something"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "that you see happening?"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": ">> Yeah, I I think so. And then I was"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "talking to Michael about it last night"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "cuz I said I was a professor and I I"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "even have tried to create a course, a"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "memory course, just a memory"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "fundamentals course which would be"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "immensely helpful for any student. Um,"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "and you can kind of find uh survey"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "classes about memory and it sometimes"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "delves into memory techniques. Like in"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "psychology courses, they usually have a"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "course where they talk about memory"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "methods, but it's not like a a practical"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "tool building class. But anyway, so I"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "I'm a bit familiar with trying to create"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "a class um and you know, bring it to the"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "people who need to approve it. and he"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "was saying like, \"Yeah, when I came up"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "with the idea and brought it to the"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "dean, I mean, he's the chair, so he kind"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "of already has a bit of a an advantage.\""}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "Um, at this in this age, they can't"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "really say no. You know, it's all about"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "being inclusive and and open. Uh, so"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "that kind of I think has it going for"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "it. Um, so I could see more of that"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "coming to light. I mean, I would love to"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "I don't know if I would say, \"Hey, we're"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "going to do a remote viewing class.\" But"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "definitely something even if I worded my"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "memory workshop course, whatever, um, as"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "a little more mind cognitive training, I"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "could slip that in there. [music]"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:54", "text": ">> And right before hitting the stage, I"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "decided to perform some magic and"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "comedy."}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:02", "text": ">> All right, Tom, have you ever seen magic"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "this close before?"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:05", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:08", "text": ">> You haven't? Have you ever seen magic"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "this close before?"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": ">> I don't think so. Okay, good. All right,"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "that's a good thing. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "um, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "sounds weird, but was this in your was"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "this your browser history recently? Was"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": ">> Who you here with?"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:27", "text": ">> I'm here with my friend Chris."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:29", "text": ">> Your friend Chris? Oh, maybe it's Maybe"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "it's Chris. Maybe Chris's browser"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "history."}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "There's a there's a a Z in here."}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:44", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> I think I think I know what this is. Z."}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> There's an E."}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:50", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:50", "text": ">> there's a B."}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:52", "text": ">> An R."}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:52", "text": ">> An A."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:54", "text": ">> I think I all I think we all know what"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "this is. On the count of three, I want"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "everybody to say it. One, two, three."}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": ">> All right. Not the word I was picking"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "up."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "It was a different word."}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "All the like a half the audience in"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "stitches cuz I I'll tell you on the ride"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "home."}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:18", "text": ">> But all of this was just to set up a"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "very special surprise."}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:24", "text": ">> I do want to try one more thing here."}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "But I I need a couple."}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "Any couples in the house?"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "This guy up here will go up in the"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "second. Yeah. You with the hand up. Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "You. Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "Give it up for this couple. Come on,"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:38", "text": ">> Megan. Nice to meet you. Megan, step"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "right this way. And thank you for"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "joining me. And you are?"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:42", "text": ">> Troy."}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> Troy. Nice to meet you, too, Troy. Here,"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "Troy. Stand right here. Megan, do you"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "mind? I have a blindfold here for you."}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": ">> Okay. Can you see anything, Megan?"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:53", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> Megan. Megan,"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "will you be my forever partner?"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "The one in my darkest hours and my"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "brightest [music] moments. Will you be"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "my human until my body falls away?"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "You are the closest person [music] I've"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "ever known. Once I saw those beautiful"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "giant eyes, I knew [music] our lives"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "would be intertwined."}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "Will you marry me?"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:31", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:35", "text": ">> [cheering]"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> Thank you so much. Congratulations."}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "Congratulations."}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "this beautiful couple. Come on."}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "[cheering and music]"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "So amazing. Right this way, guys. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "you just [music] made my night. Thank"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "you. Enjoy the show."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "I feel like I was just as nervous."}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "Would have been a totally different show"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "if she said no. The vibe would have just"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": ">> Now, I don't mean to get sappy, but it"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "isn't lost on me how truly lucky I am."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "And I'm grateful for that. [music] I'm"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "grateful for this wonderful community,"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "for the friendships I've forged and the"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "knowledge I've [music] acquired,"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "the places I get to visit and the"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "stories I get to hear. Seeing people"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "outside of chat groups and online feeds"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "makes you really remember how much fun"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "this human experience can be."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "And one more thing, will there ever be"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "another Desert Blast?"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:08", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> There will absolutely be another Desert"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "Blast."}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": ">> Do you think u because that's probably,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "you know, it's one of the most badass"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "things I've ever seen in my life."}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": ">> It's a It's a great time. Actually,"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "Luigi's been pushing me to [laughter] to"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "make that happen. So, but yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "there's absolutely going to be another"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "Desert Blast, and it's going to be"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "awesome. Out of control."}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:34", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:35", "text": ">> Like if you poured gasoline on Burning"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "Man is like"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:39", "text": ">> Is Yeah. We were going through some"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "photos, you know, uh just the other day"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "and and seeing some of the explosions"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "that you guys had and everything like"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "that. Do you think like doing uh a"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "Desert Blast today would be possible"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "like you did it back then?"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:53", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I've already got it laid the"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "plans laid out. There's Yeah, it's a for"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "sure thing."}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": ">> Can I get a ticket?"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, you're you're going. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:00", "text": ">> All right. I'll take up any more of your"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "time. I'll keep you there. Thanks, Bob."}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "[music]"}]

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She uh"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "lived in a two-story real small"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "apartment and she her bedroom was"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "upstairs and we knew"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "uh that she would be taken uh during a"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "time period."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "So this is a multi-pronged, multiaceted,"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "multi-ep [music] departmented"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "sting operation"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "in order to capture this. Yes, that was"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "successful. There were some that"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "weren't, but that was what was"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "successful. That's a fact. 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As I jumped, I suddenly"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "became aware that the air seemed very"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "silent. I also had a strong experience"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "of weightlessness and [music] extreme"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "forward momentum, more than the last two"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "jumps. I came down at a dead stop on"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "both feet, feeling almost zero"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "gravitational influence. Tracing my"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "[music] steps back to the stop sign, I"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "counted over 30 steps. 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It's a big"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "weird world."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, today we are"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "joined by none other than Richard Dodie,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "former AFOSI officer."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Um, you've got quite the history, good"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "sir. You've got a lot um in your past in"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "terms of euphology and your relationship"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "to it, whether it's in a formal capacity"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "or an informal capacity, whether that's"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "uh a hobby or a job. uh your name is"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "pretty uh you know I would say pretty"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "prominent in this topic. Uh so I first"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "of all want to thank you for joining me"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "today."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> Thank you. Good to be here Chris."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "for those people out there uh wondering"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "you know who I'm sitting with, they they"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "might be familiar with you. They might"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "have seen your face somewhere. Whether"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "that's Ancient Aliens, whether that's a"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Netflix documentary or um even some"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "other documentaries that have come out"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "in the past. Um, you're a recognizable"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "figure to those of us who who know uh"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "about the UFO topic. Uh, but to those"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "who don't, how would you introduce"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "yourself?"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Well, I I'm a former Air Force OSI"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "special agent, counter intelligence"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "officer within the Air Force Office of"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Special Investigations and um I started"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "that career back in the 70s."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "uh worked in uh some controversial"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "issues uh primarily the Paul Benowitz"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "case. A lot of the um UFO historians"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "uh know about that case uh whether they"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "want to uh criticize me for it uh for"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "what I did in it, but I did it in"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "accordance with uh military regulations"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "and uh I worked in the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "community up till 1988."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "From there I left uh the government"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "service. Uh I worked for the state of"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "New Mexico for a while and then I worked"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "for Dr. Putoff uh at the Institute for"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "Advanced Studies for 12 years"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "and then sometime in the um mid"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "uh probably 2010 or 2015 I started uh"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "coming on programs and um talking about"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "what I did during my time in counter"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "And then uh in 2018 I was hired by a"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Gaia and I have over 220"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "episodes on Gaia. I also have about 18"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "episodes of the Dodie Chronicles."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Uh I've been on uh Ancient Aliens, a"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "number of different other UFO programs"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "uh talking about my past experience in"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "the subject of UFOs or investigating"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "them. So that's who I am and that's what"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "I've done in the past."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Thank you so much for that. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "incredible pedigree. Um there's there's"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "a lot there. There's a really colorful"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "history um across these last I would say"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "almost 40 years."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "you I I want to start somewhere because"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "we had a guest on recently, Mario Woods,"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "who you're familiar with. um who you've"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "actually met for the first time in 1977."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Um you know, and it wouldn't be until"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "decades later uh that that would be"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "brought up again. And Mario was a guest"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "here just a few short weeks ago and we"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "actually tried to get you and Mario"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "together and it didn't work out timing"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "wise. Um, but Mario had a really"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "encounter to say the least, not only"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "with uh what appeared to be a giant"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "craft, uh, but also the beings aboard"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "that craft and then afterwards was"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "subsequently debriefed for like 5 hours"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "and interrogated and he had to, you"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "know, write down exactly what happened"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "and all of this. But during that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "process, there was a sort of medical"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "exam or sort of physical examination"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "that took place. I OSI officers uh"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "namely uh yourself and someone else and"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "you if I'm not mistaken were that you"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "were just coming into that sort of space"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "uh if I'm not mistaken that would have"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "been quite new for you."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Yes, I was on a temporary assignment to"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Ellsworth Air Force Base and something"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "entirely different. It was a espionage"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "investigation"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "and while I was at the OSI office, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Mario, the incident with Mario occurred"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "and I was asked by the chief uh of the"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "detachment commander at uh Ellsworth, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "a guy by the name of John Bris Boy, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "to go to the base hospital and pick up"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "records uh for a Mario Woods, Sergeant"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "Mario Wood. So, I did I went there. I"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "brought him back. Uh when I brought him"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "back to the OSI office, Mario was there."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "I walked into the interview room to give"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "uh the the medical files to uh Jack"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "Green, who was the OSI agent"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "investigating this incident. And um I"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "stood there in the room uh while they"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "were talking to uh Mario. Before this, I"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "had no idea what the incident occurred,"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "but I as I listened to this, I I became"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "more intrigued by it. And so"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "I was I I probably stayed in there 40 45"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "minutes or so. I don't know exact time."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "I left and I had to do some other"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "things. Then I had to go and do what I"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "was there to do. But I came back and"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "they still had Mario in there. Now my"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "timeline uh I think it would have been"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "probably about 10 hours of in"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "interrogation."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> Rather than the four or five uh because"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "when I came back now there might have"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "been a break in between but they were"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "still uh going after I mean they weren't"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "going after him but they were"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "interrogating."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Uh there's a difference uh real quickly"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "uh in um in counter intelligence or in"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "any any uh type of investigation whether"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "it's criminal or or espionage or or"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "anything else. You you interview you can"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "be doing an interview or you can be"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "doing an interrogation. They're they're"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "different. An interview is just"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "obtaining the information uh relaxing"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "the uh target the person that you're"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "interviewing. Interrogating is you're"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "trying to force that person to give you"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "information that they don't want to give"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> or they might not remember it. And when"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "I the second time I went there, they"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "were interrogating"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Mario."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> They were grilling him."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> They were grilling him on what he did or"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "what he saw. And apparently at some"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "other time they had the second uh Air"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "Force security policeman who was with"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Mario because there was two of them in"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "the pickup truck and they had him in"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "another room. I never went in that other"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "room so I'm not sure what they did or"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "how they interviewed him but I I saw"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "them interrogating Mario and based on"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "what I remember then and then jump ahead"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "you know 40ome years. Um what Mario said"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "and what happened is is factual factual"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "because the OSI report later which was"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "classified"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "uh considered it an actual incident. So"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> yeah that"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> you you had access to that obviously."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> I had access to that. Yeah. And I've had"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "conversations with Mario. I've been on"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "some other podcasts with him and I I"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "believe everything he says. Um he might"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "have um got some things um"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "uh or not wrong but he might have"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "forgotten some things because there was"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "a time period that he uh might have had"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "a uh missing time link in in when the"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "incident first happened."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Six hours."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. I thought it was more"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "than that, but it was six hours. And so"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "what happened during that time peri you"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "know only the aliens know."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Sure. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Them and u you know perhaps"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "Michael Johnson as well. Who did you"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "meet with him? Were you debriefing him"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "as well? Were they interrogating Michael"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "Johnson at the same time?"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> Michael Johnson was in another room. I"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "never had access to Michael Johnson."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> He was pro at that point. He was like"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "catatonic as well. He wasn't really"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Well, as as I understood, he had been in"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "the hospital. He had they had"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "transferred somebody went over. That"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "wasn't me. Somebody went to the base"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "hospital and picked him up and brought"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "him to the OSI office. I I I don't know"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "if it was an agent or the ambulance or"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "or I think I think it might have been"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "their supervisor, the security police,"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "the 44th missile security squadron was"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "in and I think it was somebody within"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "that uh squadron, a captain or somebody"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "brought him there. But again, I didn't"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "have any uh contact with Michael"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "Johnson, only Mario."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "And during this time, Mario had also"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "said that he was um in and I believe if"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "I'm not mistaken, this was done by the"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "OSI officer, that they felt around his"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "mouth."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "Do you remember him saying this?"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": ">> And that they were looking for something"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "in his mouth. They spent a substantial"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "amount of time, several minutes, feeling"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "around the inside of his mouth. Can you"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "tell me why that is?"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> As I understood, he had when he was"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "examined"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "at the base hospital,"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> he was examined first by uh the"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "emergency room physician who I I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "remember what his specialty was, but"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "normally it's just a general"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "practitioner and then um"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "he said something to them at the"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "hospital that OSI was interested in of"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "of what his voice how his voice changed."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "And I think that's why again I I wasn't"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "there and I can't say for a fact but I"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "believe they thought he might have had"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "something implanted into his mouth or"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "his throat and that's why they checked"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "it first at the emergency room and I"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "believe later there was a uh maybe a"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "specialist I ears and throat doctor that"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "that saw him but the OSI office they"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "were looking for something in his throat"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "that might have been implanted in there"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "That's the That's what I got out of it."}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": ">> Implanted by whom?"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> By whoever took him. Maybe the"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "extraterrestrials. I I I don't know. But"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": ">> is that part for the course? Is that"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "something that they've run into before?"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "That's why they were checking it out."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "now, let me go back a little bit."}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> During this time period, I was not"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "briefed into any special programs."}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": ">> No, this is before."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": ">> This is way before. Two years before. So"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "I I had no idea about any of this about"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "uh abductions or about uh implants or"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "anything like that."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "Uh years later when I was all was when I"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "was briefed into everything, I I"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "realized that the extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "in in order there were occasions uh"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "where or incidents"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "uh where they had placed something in"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "the the body, the mouth, the throat, the"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "nose"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "uh in order for the extraterrestrials to"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "better communicate with the human. Now,"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "I don't know how that worked. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "are specialists uh Dr. Green and and"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "others uh can can explain that. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "a doctor, so I can't explain uh why or"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "how they did that or or but I know that"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "there were um at least two cases that I"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "know of. A woman uh that had had an"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "abduction, an Air Force, a sergeant, she"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "was in the Air Force. She was uh"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "abducted and they had placed something"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "under her tongue. And this was done"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "during your time."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:15:59", "text": ">> Do we have her name or is that"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "currently?"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": ">> Uh that's that's pretty much classified."}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "She's she's a whistleblower right now uh"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "listed in in in in Congress. So she if"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "she comes out and speaks um"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:19", "text": ">> Well, no. Yeah. And there's going to be"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "a u um an awakening so to speak in uh"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "the difference between a friendly"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "and a non-friendly extraterrestrial. Uh"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "because she went through the horrors of"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "abductions from an hostile"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "extraterrestrial."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": ">> Really"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "is. Do you think that that is I want to"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "talk more about this a little bit later,"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "but do you think that that is perhaps"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "her perception due to this forceful sort"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "of kidnapping uh that one would"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "make uh a being who might be neutral"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "seem sort of more malevolent uh because"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "of the nature of you know we're looking"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "at something from another world looks"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "menacing. you know, they're perhaps"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "pinning her down. Like, we don't know"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "the real reason why this would happen."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "Do you think that there's a Because when"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "someone says hostile"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "um but then has a chip implanted and is"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "let go,"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "you know, like we are also hostile to"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "dolphins,"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "but that doesn't mean we want to kill"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "the dolphins and take over the dolphin"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "world and like, you know, you know what"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "I mean? And so, do you think that might"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "just be her interpretation of the event?"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "It could very well be because number"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "one, we have no idea"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "uh what these extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "uh intent is in abducting a human being"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "uh to get information or to get DNA or"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "to get samples of their their fluids or"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "or whatever. So, um they're alien to us"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "and we're alien to them."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "uh they might have to use techniques"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "that we can't even imagine to get"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "information from a human. And so you're"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "right that that could very well be uh"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "that's just the way they operate."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Now she she's alive. They didn't kill"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "her. Uh she's recovered."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "but so but the her case what stands out"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "to me is her case has been uh thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "I mean thoroughly thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "investigated"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "by the government not just AFOSI but by"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "other agencies within the government."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> What other agencies?"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": ">> Uh the intelligence community. I'll just"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "leave it at that. There were techniques"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "because of her abductions. There were"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "techniques developed"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "from her abductions that were collected"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "by US intelligence that I can't talk"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "about that can prove her case. Wait, so"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "there are certain things that happened"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "to her that they now use to see if other"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "cases are legitimate?"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> Does that have to do with like physical"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "mark markings?"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "Yes, that and some um trace um traits"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "that um the I got to be very careful"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "here. The traits that the abductee"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "um shows"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "that can be traced to something else"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "and and based on that there was"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "something developed by the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "community."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "to number one determine whether the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "person is actually telling the truth and"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "number two uh and the counterpart of"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "that is protecting the the target and"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "that was developed years later. It"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "wasn't developed during her time, but"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "based on what she went through, uh the"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "intelligence community and uh"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "contractors"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "uh developed something that can protect"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "a human from a particular type of"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "abduction from a particular"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "extraterrestrials. Now you got to"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "understand this."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "We one of the main problems uh the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "public has uh is uh that they group all"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "extraterrestrials into one group, one"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "one one category. You can't do that. Um"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "during my time I knew of and I have them"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "here a list of them of of of um the"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "extraterrestrials that um we knew"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "existed that we had contact with. Okay."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "and so they're all different. Number"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "one, they're all different bi biologics."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "They come from different planets."}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "Their body structures are entirely"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "different."}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "So you can't group their brains are"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "different. So you can't group all"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "extraterrestrials into one category."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "That's why when you uh when we talking"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "about an abduction of of of a of a human"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "by an extraterrestrial,"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "it depends on what extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "doing that and what they're gathering"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "and and and how they're doing it and"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "what type of thoughts or what type of"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "type of techniques or or uh gadgets"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "they're putting into those those humans."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:35", "text": ">> So when the government creates something"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "a counter to counter it there. It's only"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "going to work on that particular"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "extraterrestrial. It's not going to work"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "on anyone else. Then again, um I can't"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "go into great details because I kne I"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "knew some more information about this,"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "but there lot"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": ">> of like other species."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": ">> Yeah, other species. And a lot has been"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "developed beyond my time. And I I don't"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "want to go into anything uh that might"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "uh disclose something I'm not supposed"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "to talk about. So, I'll just leave it at"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": ">> Sure. I mean, super interesting that"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "there's protocol on a sort of"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "anti-abduction"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "uh process. Um, well, when I was working"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "on uh MNA Hansen case and and you know"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "who MNA Hansen is, that's part of the"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "Paul Benitz case."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:29", "text": ">> Uh, when when um Leo Sprinkle and Alan"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "Heinik brought her to us, I had no idea"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "anything about abductions. I didn't know"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "that they were real. I I I wasn't ever"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "briefed into it. I did a report and sent"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "it to headquarters and a week or so"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "later, two DIA agents came down to"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "Kirtland to the OSI office. I was told"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "that, hey, I two visitors out here want"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "to see me. You know, they were cleared."}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "I brought him in. They said, yeah, we"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "want to talk about the MNA Hansen case."}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "And I said, okay. I said, who are you"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "guy? What what branch are you with? And"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "he one of them tells me we're with this"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "particular branch. I said what does that"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "involve? He said abductions. We"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "investigate abductions. And I said the"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "DIA has a branch that investigates alien"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "abductions. He said yeah. The DIA."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "So I knew then. He said, \"You mean"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "you're not briefed into this particular"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "special access program?\" I said, \"No.\""}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "Well, I got briefed into it and then I"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "realized that uh this has been going on"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "for years. They take it very seriously."}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": ">> This is 1980 and these guys are taking"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "it seriously and this unit within DIA"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "has been around"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "for for years now. DIA remember only"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "came in existence in 1961. So, I thought"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "I didn't say anything to them, but it"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "piqued my curiosity as wait a minute,"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "these things must be real then,"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": ">> cuz I didn't think that Ma I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "interviewed MNA Hansen, but"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": ">> I just thought she was some she was"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "psychologically unstable or something."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Sure. I mean, the DIA is also known to"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "be involved in like a lot of trippy"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "subjects, including Stargate, including,"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "you know, taking on all of the uh the"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "work at SRRI that they were doing and"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "and and that type of thing. Do you think"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "a lot of that is still within the DIA"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "specifically, or is that been also sort"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "of branched out into contractor hands?"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "I think that's it's being still"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "controlled by DIA,"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "but I feel that uh it's been contracted"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Mo most things have been I would"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "assume."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:42", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> For you know to remove yourself for any"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "plausible deniability that the"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "government might want or should want in"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "these uh scenarios. Um which does bring"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "a question to mind as well. So when you"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "were when you were working on the Paul"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "Benowitz uh case,"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "first of all, the decision to"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "uh sort of implement misinformation or"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "inject information in a counter"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "intelligence capacity uh due to you know"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "seeing uh advanced tech and and and"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "covering that up. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "how was that decision given to you? Were"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "you brought in a room and briefed? Were"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "you given uh was this in writing? Was"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "this verbally? How was that given to you"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "to to take care of this?"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:38", "text": ">> Anytime there's an operation or a"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "project within uh OSI or intelligence"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "community, there has to be an"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "operational plan."}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "When the case first opened, the Paul"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Benwitz case first opened, uh I would do"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "a report and send it to headquarters and"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "it would go through CIA to DIA and then"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "uh they would send back uh uh a"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "operations plan or"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "a um a list of things that I need to do"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "to prepare an operations plan or to get"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "more information. And in particular Paul"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "Binua's case, they sent back and saying,"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "\"You need to do this, this, this, this,"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "and this.\""}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": ">> And what was this, this, this, and this?"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": ">> Go out and get more information on him."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "Uh, find out uh neighbors, uh, do a what"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "we call a local agency check. Uh, and I"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "did all those things. There probably 10"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "things I did. I did a report, sent it"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "back up there, and then we got on the"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "phone, uh, we call a KY3 phone. was a"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "secure uh phone system where we"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "discussed the case between me, my boss"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "and headquarters and they decided okay"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "we need to do this operational plan"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "which was developed up there sent to me"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "and here's what I had to do and the plan"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "was followed and so the disinformation"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "or the misinformation"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "uh was all planned at headquarters. Uh"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "that's"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "what they told me to do. I did what I"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "was told to do. Sure."}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": ">> And and so that's that's how that goes."}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:18", "text": ">> So was that stuff Did it feel to you"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "like they had done that before?"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": ">> Oh, I know they've done it before"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "because I've been involved in other"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "operations where they've done it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:29", "text": ">> I see. So this was kind of protocol on"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "how to deal with this scenario. Now, was"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "that to deal was that only for people"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "who saw"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "um sort of"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "technical advanced vehicle testing? Was"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "that like the protocol or was there more"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "than one protocol to deal with that? Was"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "there a story, a script that you guys"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "had to follow? I'm very curious about"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "how you guys went about, okay, somebody"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "reports a sighting. Do you instantly go"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "into, okay, we investigate this and then"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "if it was us doing advanced tech stuff,"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "then we have this cover story that we go"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "in with or was every case taken case by"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "case? Like, how was that filtered? Every"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "case was was different. Yeah, it depends"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "on who did who saw it. The target we"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "call uh and uh what the circumstances"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "were uh behind their sighting. Uh and in"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "Paul's case, he was taking pictures of"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "something uh that was flying over the"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "base. Um and it was a highly classified"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "program, a drone program. It was the the"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "Air Force's drone program that was in in"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "its infancy stage."}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "And the way they uh tested these drones"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "was they would fly a plane. Uh it could"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "e be a C130 which is propeller driven or"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "a uh RC135 or RC 137 which were like a"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "707. They would launch these drones from"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "the plane and there would be a"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "controller"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "controlling but the plane had to be in"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "close proximity to these drones. Well,"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "Paul was taking pictures of these"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "objects flying around this aircraft,"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "these aircrafts, and he assumed that"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "they were UFOs. They were"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "And so, uh, it was so the in order for"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "him,"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "um, to not be become involved in the"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "classified program, we had to convince P"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "that yeah, he was seeing UFOs. But it"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "seems like he was already convinced of"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "that. Like why not just let him believe"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "it was UFOs and ignore it entirely?"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:44", "text": ">> Well, we did. We do. I would go in and"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "number one, Paul was involved in Apppro,"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "which as you know what that was. Uh he"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "was an investigator, field investigator"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "for APRO. Um the infancy stage of Muon"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "was there. Uh he was a believer in UFOs."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "He's had an experience uh with a UFO on"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "a picnic once with his family. So he he"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "was a believer. And so when I went in to"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "talk to him and he told me what he what"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "he did and what he saw, uh he and he was"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "con trying to convince me they were"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "UFOs. All I had to do was say, \"You know"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "what? Bo, I think they are. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "think they are flying saucers.\" He would"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "use the word flying saucers, not UFOs."}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "And I and and that's it. That's all I"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "had to do. I didn't have to sit there"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "and and interrogate him or or brainwash"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "him or anything like that. He was"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "already a believer and it was very"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "simple to just agree with him."}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": ">> Yeah. And to to do the opposite would"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "have been going against direct orders."}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:44", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "H Yeah, it's that's an interesting uh"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "position to find yourself in. Um at what"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "stage during your career was that"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "particular incident beginning? How many"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "years in?"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:00", "text": ">> Uh about three and a half or four years"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "in."}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": ">> And how many cases had you covered"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "similarly before that?"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:15", "text": ">> UFO related. Um, in 1979 we had a case"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "or early 80s, late 79, early 80s, we had"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "a case at at Kirtland involving"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "a a sighting in a a highly classified"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "area of the base. A Sandia National"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "Laboratory's security guard. Now, Sandia"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "was a contractor on the base. The"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "security guard was civilian uh had an"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "encounter with a UFO that landed on the"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "base. I was the case agent that went out"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "there, investigated that. Before this, I"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "was not briefed in anything to do with"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "UFOs. So, I took the report, I"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "investigated it, I came back to the"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "office, I submitted a report through my"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "through my boss to headquarters."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "Headquarters came back and said, \"I need"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "to be briefed into this particular"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "program.\" And not is called NQ. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "my boss says, \"You need to go. we're"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "going to get you a briefing. You're"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "going to need to go over to the uh uh"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "Air Force Special Security Office, which"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "is on the west side of Kirtland Air"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "Force Base, and get a briefing. I said,"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "\"Okay.\" And now I've done that before on"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "other matters, but nothing to do with"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "UFOs on on espionage or something other."}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "So, I did. I went over there. I sat uh"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "went in a room. There was some other"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "people, a colonel, Air Force colonel and"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "a and a and a civilian briefed us on"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "United States invol United States"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "government involvement with the"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "investigation and contact with the with"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "extraterrestrials from 1947."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "And that's the briefing. It lasted"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "several hours. They showed us film. Uh"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "they showed us some documents."}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "Um we took it all in. Uh"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:57", "text": ">> you say we how many people were there?"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "There were I don't remember exactly uh"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "10 maybe not OSI agents, right? I was"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "the only OSI agent in the room. The"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "other people in the room were"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "intelligence people or or some other"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "people that had a need to know were um"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "were the other people in the room were"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "some of them also civilians? Like were"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "these academic types or contractors?"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "There's no shortage of creativity on"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "this channel as you've probably noticed."}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "Uh we churn out some of the highest"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "quality productions in terms of podcasts"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "weekly and it is fun but it's also a"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "grind and we don't always have time to"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "attain that Spielbergesque level of"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "production on a weekly basis. Uh it's"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "nearly impossible but we do manage and"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "that is partially due to the help of"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "Higsfield Cinema Studio. See, we use"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "Higsfield in pretty much every single"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "production that we do. And whether it's"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "really subtle things or whether it's"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "recreating something, but you can also"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "use Higsfield in very creative ways like"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "I can have it rain in my studio right"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "now or I could teleport myself into"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "a UFO."}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "There's no shortage of ideas. It really"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "is uh limited only by your imagination."}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "And if you want to check out how to use"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "Higsfield or if you're curious at all, I"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "left the link in the description. Thank"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "you to Higsfield for sponsoring this"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "video. Some of them were contractors."}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "Sandy National Laboratories, a couple of"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "them were with Department of Energy. Um"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "I think there were some civilian uh uh"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "scientists within the Air Force Weapons"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "Laboratory there. Um, I'm just guessing"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "because I don't know exactly,"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> but I was the only OSA agent."}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> Anybody with like longer hair than they"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "should have."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:42", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:45", "text": ">> Um, yeah. They would hire some"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:47", "text": ">> Yes. some kooky scientists back then."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": ">> And all sorts of trippy folk looking"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "into this stuff. But so you're you're"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "given this briefing. This is really"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "fascinating. Uh, now in this briefing"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "you mentioned, okay, there's footage,"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "there's photos, there's documents."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "Did you ever get the sense as someone"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "who's never stepped foot into this that"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "this has got to be baloney? Like what"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "they're what they're telling me here,"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "this can't be real. Uh did you or anyone"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "in the room get that sense or were you"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "all just kind of taken aback of what you"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "were seeing?"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": ">> Well, I had no conversations with any"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "anybody else during this uh briefing and"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "we had a break period too. I I it was"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "several hours. Um well I never we never"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "had any briefing because it was"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "classified. We left to go to break room."}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "It's on a classified area. You can't"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "talk about classified information. We"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "were not in a skiff when when this"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "briefing occurred. Uh but yes absolutely"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "because after this briefing was over"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "with, I had to drive from there back"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "over to the OSI office which was on the"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "east side of Kirtland Air Force Base 7 8"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "miles. Uh, I pulled into a parking lot"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "of of some some uh unit on base and sat"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "there and trying to digest what I just"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "heard and my skepticism was way up here."}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "I thought, is this a psychological"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "operation they're pulling on us?"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": ">> You thought that? Oh, absolutely. I I"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:16", "text": ">> in fact I was always somewhat of a"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "skeptic in the subject because growing"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "up my brother was a UFO. I didn't"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "believe any of that stuff. Uh but e even"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "in the regular air force when I was"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "wearing a uniform in the regular air"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "force there was occasions of people"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "talking about the subject. I would not"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "believe anything they were talking"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "about."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "Jump ahead to at to sitting in that"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "parking lot. I thought this can't be"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "real. I mean the crash in Roswell uh"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "crash at Kingman. Uh, we saw a film of a"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "crash site."}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "It's all made up. So, I get back to the"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "office."}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:54", "text": ">> Before we get back to the office, that"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "film on the crash site, can you"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "elaborate a little bit which crash site?"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": ">> It was the Roswell crash site."}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": ">> That was the Roswell crash. Uh, the one"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "in Corona."}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:08", "text": ">> The run one in Corona. It showed the"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "craft. It showed uh bodies"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "outside the craft like on a dirt mound."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "And um it it showed a recovery area"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "where there were tents uh military tents"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "set up. Uh there were uh military"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "personnel in uniforms, army uniforms."}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "This is 47. Air Force hadn't existed"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "quite yet. Um there were um"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "debris that they apparently had taken"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "out of the craft and and set on tables."}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "Um the there was a narrator. Now none of"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "the uh people in the the the t the movie"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "or film we're talking uh the there was a"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "narrator an army or a military officer"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "narrating what we were seeing. Uh"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "obviously that narrator"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "wasn't there. I'm sorry was something"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "that was added later."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:11", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. But uh it was a looked to me"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "like a legitimate film. The beginning of"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "the film showed it was classified. Um"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "and so that's that's what the film was."}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "Now they also showed a second uh"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "recovery site in Kingman, Arizona. And I"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "I think it was 53."}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": ">> And they showed it the craft and they"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "showed uh two two bodies"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:31", "text": ">> similar bodies."}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:36", "text": ">> Uh no, they were different. They looked"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "different. And recovery. Now in 53 there"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "were Air Force personnel around the the"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "the recovery truck said United States"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "Air Force on it and so that's some of"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "the what I can remember in the film. H"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:49", "text": ">> how are you how are you allowed to talk"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "about this?"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:52", "text": ">> It's all unclassified now."}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:53", "text": ">> That's unclassified."}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": ">> That is unclassified."}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:57", "text": ">> So what happened to the footage?"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:38:58", "text": ">> Good question. Where's the footage? I"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "mean, if it's"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:04", "text": ">> Congress Congress wants that footage"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "footage. Um, the Air Force gave him some"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "things but didn't give him everything."}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "Now, I would love to know what all that"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "footage is. And and that's just that's"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "just two of probably 40 or 50 different"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "crash sites that we know about."}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:17", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:23", "text": ">> Could we as I mean there's probably been"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "several attempts to foyer that briefing"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "or those documents that were available"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "in that briefing. How much success have"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "people found in trying to retrieve some"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "of that? What you saw?"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:31", "text": ">> I tried."}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": ">> Yeah, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:37", "text": ">> I tried myself and I got uh the they"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "can't confirm existence or non-existence"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "of the material that I requested. So,"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "it's not going to be released because"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "it's it's but I've talked about it. Many"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "other people have talked about it. Uh my"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "NDA expired in 2002. I started talking"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "about it after 2002."}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "There were only during during 2002 and"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "2020 today"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "as we talk in 2026. Uh there's been two"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "occasions where I've been visited by FBI"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "agents who told me that I said something"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "on camera that I shouldn't have said."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "And I said and I knew at the time I"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "actually knew that I shouldn't have said"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "what I was saying because it was still a"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "special access program in SAP. Yeah. But"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "I said it and I tried to work around"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "what I said and I did I I did I did a"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "poor job of that. And then the second"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "time it was a document that I'd given to"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "somebody that had uh some classified"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "information on it. Uh and I can assure"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "you that stuff isn't that's been out on"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "the internet for years. Um that uh I"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "shouldn't have given them."}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:47", "text": ">> They're that quick to pick up on it."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "Huh. They're fine tooth combing"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "everything. like this interview will be"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "under scrutiny, you believe?"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:41:00", "text": ">> Absolutely. Every single episode I've"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "done for Gaia and and only uh the at the"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "beginning when I first started working"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "at Gaia uh the first uh probably"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "10 episodes, nothing. the 11th episode"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "we talked about something and I did uh O"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "FBI didn't come but OSI contacted me by"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "phone and I knew a I knew the guy uh he"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "was a he was a a civilian we had a lot"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "well civilians in OSI you know we we and"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "he went he left OSI and came back as a"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "contractor which and within intelligence"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "community it happens all the time"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": ">> sure you're never fully Exactly. And he"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "called me and he said, \"Richard, how you"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "doing? I saw your episode on Gaia and I"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "want to ask you a few questions.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "said, \"Yeah, what do you need?\" He said,"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "\"Why the hell did you mention this,"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "this, and this?\" I said, \"It's"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "unclassified.\" He said, \"No, it's still"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "classified.\""}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "I said, \"It is?\" He said, \"Yeah.\" I"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "said, \"Well, I assumed.\" He said, \"You"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "don't ever assume because you know"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "assume you make a you know.\" And I said,"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "\"Okay, well, I guess I'm going to get"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "visited.\" I never was visited. And this"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "was in 2018, probably. Yeah. Early or"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "late 2018. Nobody ever visited me, so I"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "assumed it's not classified anymore. I I"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "talked I saw him at a UFO convention a"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "year later, 2018, at at uh"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": ">> What was he doing there?"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:30", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "they're always there."}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": ">> Um in fact, in that particular one,"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:36", "text": ">> which which one was it? 2019 at"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "Laughlin."}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:42", "text": ">> Um there were three uniform Air Force"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "officers in the audience."}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:43", "text": ">> Uniform?"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:45", "text": ">> Yeah, they were in uniforms."}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:45", "text": ">> What's that about?"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:47", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:48", "text": ">> is that for show?"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": ">> For show, I guess, or they were trying"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "to intimidate the crowd. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "But um I w I didn't notice him uh right"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "off the bat, but uh uh one of uh I think"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "it was uh Robert Dean"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "uh cuz Wendle was dead by that time, but"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "Robert Dean was was there and Robert"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "Dean came up and he said, \"Hey, what's"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "what's with the uh blue suitors out"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "there?\" I said, \"What do you mean?\" He"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "said, \"There's two captains and a and a"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "uh senior master sergeant out there.\""}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "I said, \"Okay.\" So, I went I saw him. I"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "went up to him. I'm a blunt guy, you"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "know. I come up to him and I said, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "uh, you know, I'm I'm Richard Dodie and"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "and they said, \"Well, we know who you"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "are.\" I said, \"Uh,"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "you guys here on business?\" The captain"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "is was the one that was speaking, the"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "female captain. Uh, and I never knew I"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "didn't know her before this. And she"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "said, \"Uh, yeah, we're here just"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "interested in the subject. Is there a"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "problem?\" I said, \"No, absolutely not."}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "Uh, you're more than welcome. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "whatever you want, cuz there's no"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "classification in this briefing.\" She"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "says, \"We'll decide in that later.\""}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:01", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:04", "text": ">> Which I thought was real interesting."}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "Well, I went over and immediately told"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "George Knap, I said, \"George, look out"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "there.\" He said, \"I saw them. Who are"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "they? Are they you guys?\" I said, \"I"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "don't know who they are. They They just"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "said they're from the Air Force. They"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "won't say office, but uh I think you"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "ought to go up there, George, and ask"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "him for an interview."}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "And uh I I don't know if George did, but"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "I I don't think it it worked. I did have"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "an interview with George uh there. And"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "uh I knew one of them was standing back"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "watching me at the interview. And they"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "were there for my presentation. And you"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "know, I I don't care. I They left. They"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "didn't stay the whole time. They"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "probably were there three or four days,"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "two, three days. It's It's still a wild"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "thing to show up at where dressed in"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "uniform. I mean, that clearly signals an"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "intention"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:54", "text": ">> and an interest. You know, they gave"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "away"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:55", "text": ">> a"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:57", "text": ">> public interest."}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": ">> A public interest. They gave away the"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "fact that the Air Force is interested in"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "what was being said at a UFO convention."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:07", "text": ">> And what was your talk about?"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:10", "text": ">> I think that I I talked about Area 51. I"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "think that was a a you know I do"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": ">> uh PowerPoint that would make sense on"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "area 51"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": ">> and I and I didn't give away any"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "classified. I mean afterwards there were"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "a lot of questions asked of me that you"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "couldn't answer that I couldn't answer"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "you know because there was projects out"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "there that I was involved with that I"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "that I can't talk about now. I mean"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "there were there were probably"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:33", "text": ">> uh right off hand five that I'm not"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "going to talk about and I will never"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "talk about. How many special access"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "programs have you been briefed on?"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> Oh god. Uh there's different types of"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "briefings. There's a there's a uh full"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "briefing and limited briefing and then"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "there's access only. It's called access"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "only briefings. Um fully briefed"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "probably"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "maybe 20. And then again, you know,"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "don't hold me to that. uh partial"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "briefings. Uh I don't know because it I"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "would be working on something"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "uh and an OSI agent would be working on"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "something and he needed help on so he"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "would come to me and give me a partial"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "briefing and I would help him with that."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "Access briefing is is when it happened"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "right now,"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:22", "text": ">> like you accidentally saw something and"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "they had to brief you in"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": ">> or you're the you're the uh on call"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "counter intelligence officer like Area"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "51 and they call you and say, \"Hey, we"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "got a we got a uh\" and they give codes"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "and I can't give the codes because I"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "think some of them are still classified."}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "They give you a code over the phone."}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "Well, you know what that code means?"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> Uh that the code like uh purple red. I'm"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "just making up something. This isn't"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "really one."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:48", "text": ">> Purple red. There's a purple red at uh"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "such and such. Okay, now I know that's"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "emergency. You know, I'll get my little"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "book out and look. Okay, I got to get"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "going to that and I have to get another"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "agent to go with me. So, I have to give"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "him"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:01", "text": ">> limited briefing."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": ">> Limited briefing. Well, I don't even"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "know what I'm do getting to. This is an"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "access."}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": ">> So, we get out there and we find an a"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "crash site. I'm making this up. Okay."}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "Yeah. A crash site. And there's aliens"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "all over the place and there's toxic"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "materials all over the place. So I have"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "a checklist and I now there's a"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "checklist and so you you think about"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "this if there's a checklist for what I'm"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "going to this is obvious happened in the"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "past. So"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> are you referring to Psalm one uh the"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "Psalm one briefing?"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": ">> like the the manual the special"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "operations protocol manual."}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": ">> Something like that."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> Something like that. Okay. Something"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "akin to that. something it can"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": ">> [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:45", "text": ">> um Okay, so to get back to you're in"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "this parking lot, you've just had this"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "mindblowing briefing and now you're on"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "your way to I guess meet a witness who's"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "a security guard for at Sandia National"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "Labs."}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:48:00", "text": ">> No, no, no, no, no, no. That Yeah, that"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "was later. Yeah. Right. But when I got"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "the briefing, I went back to the office."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:09", "text": ">> Oh, I see. And I went into my my boss's"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "office, John, and I said, he said, he"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "laughed. He's just kind of smiling. He"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "said, 'What do you think? I said, 'Is"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "any of that? I used any of that"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "real? He says, yeah. I said, come on,"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "John."}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:30", "text": ">> This is a psychological operation"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "against me. And he said, no, it's real."}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "All that stuff is real. And again, I you"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "know, okay, I'm I got a job to do. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "All right. Okay. All right. You say it's"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "real. I in my mind it's"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:50", "text": ">> You know, so I then I go and reinter the"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "witness in Sandia, the Sandia Guard, and"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "he explains all this stuff to me, tells"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "me what happened, tells me that his, you"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "know, the the the radio in his patrol"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "vehicle, uh, the engine shut off and all"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "these things."}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "same thing I heard in in some briefings."}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "I thought"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "and the description of the craft"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:15", "text": ">> saucer-l like"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:16", "text": ">> saucer saucer shaped and um I thought so"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "[clears throat] I have to do a report"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "and I have to investigate this and so I"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "invest and then I go to the people on"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "the base to try to see if like the uh"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "air traffic controllers"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "the radar approach control did they have"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "anything coming in during that time"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "period? Yes."}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "Uh what did they have on radar? They had"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "something unknown. Unknown blitch. Okay."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "It verifies what his information is."}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "What time period this period? And then"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:46", "text": ">> it was a landing by the way."}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:48", "text": ">> It was a landing."}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": ">> Were uh were there beings?"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:53", "text": ">> There were beings. Okay. What happened"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "is there's a uh alarm structure. An"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "alarm meaning uh there's a alarm on it."}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "A structure in this classified area."}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "Okay. And this security guard had to go"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "out and check this area and this alarm"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "went off. So he had to go out to"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "investigate that, you know, why did this"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "alarm go off?"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "And this is this gets more complicated"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "as I talk and we'll talk about MNA"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "Hansen relating in con in conjunction"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "with this later. But uh he had to go out"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "and find out when when he got out there"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "he sees this flying saucer and he's is"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "this is his words hovering over this"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "bunker and it's a bunker uh that's built"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "in the into the ground and"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "right off to explain what this means is"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "there's a bunker this bunker in an"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "experimental bunker uh to house nuclear"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "weapons"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:55", "text": ">> and what it is is you open the blast"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "doors There's a there's a platform, an"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "elevator that goes down 60 ft. So, they"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "would store the weapon here, put it on a"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "platform, put it down 60 ft. So, if a"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "terrorist or the enemy breaks into the"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "bunker, there's nothing in there because"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "it's underground. And that's kind of"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "like that was classified. It's not"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "classified anymore. So, that's the"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "bunker that he's that he went out to"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "check on. He sees a flying saucer above"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "it. Uh, it lands. when it lands, his"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "engine shuts off. His mobile radio and"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "his portable radio wouldn't work. No"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "electricity."}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "And then we actually know why that"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "happens. And um so he gets out of his"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "patrol vehicle, he gets a shotgun. He"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "has a shotgun and a hand and a sidearm,"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "but he gets a shotgun out of the the"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "vehicle."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "And these two entities, as he calls"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "them, gets out of this craft and they're"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "in suits. They have helmets on uh metal"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "uh silvery suits. Their arms were"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "disproportionate to their body. Uh they"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "have like heavy boots on. They have uh"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "some kind of contraptions in both their"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "hands there. And they turned and went to"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "the front of the bunker. Well, he now"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "he's a security guard. He has a job to"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "do. He chambers a round in a shotgun"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "because they the policy is he can't have"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "a live round in his is in in the"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "chamber. So he chamber his 12 gauge"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "shotgun. He chambers around. They hear"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "apparently they hear that and the weapon"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "is taken out of his hand. He says it's"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "taken out of his hand. It's it's dropped"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "to the ground. He doesn't He never could"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "explain to me how that happened. It just"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "got out of his hand. And that's his"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "words. Got out of my hands. He they"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "don't know what to do. Then he went to"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "for a sidearm, but he couldn't get it"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "out of the holster."}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "This thing then the two entities turned"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "around, came back to the craft, got in"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "the craft, and it took off."}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": ">> Was the craft like um like one of those"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "seamless platforms that comes out of the"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "structure and then returns or"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:08", "text": ">> He could never explain how they came out"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "of what they came out of. And we even"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "put him under hypnosis and all he said"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "was they came out of the craft. He"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "doesn't know if the if if a platform"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "fell. He he he could never explain that."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": ">> You you hypnotized him."}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": ">> That was that protocol. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "Yeah. We have psychologists that put him"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "through hypnos hypnosis. Yes. Did you"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "guys ever resort to um inoculating or"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "using chemicals on people through"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "interrogations?"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:42", "text": ">> I don't think I can talk about that."}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:44", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:48", "text": ">> fair enough."}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:50", "text": ">> So, this is your first feray other than"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "Mario Woods happening where you were not"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "briefed into any of this and thought"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "that was just maybe crazy. Uh this is"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "your first foray into someone claiming"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "and then I assume this person seemed"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "legitimate and and sincere."}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:09", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely. He was and he a former"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "army. He was in the army before. Uh he"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "uh I believe he was an MP. Uh he worked"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "around helicopters, so he knew that this"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "wasn't a helicopter. Uh he never seen"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "anything like this before. Uh he's been"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "working for Sandia for I think 12 or 14"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "years. Uh unblenmished record. Uh"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> PRP probably as well."}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Personal reliability program. Um"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "he worked at a he worked in a uh highly"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "classified"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "area before he went out on patrol"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "uh which required it was a special"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "access program. So he had to have a"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "special security clear. He had all the"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "tickets punched. Um,"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "we gave him a polygraph which was also"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "pretty standard past that no deception"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "indicated."}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "So"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "that helped me"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "blend more into understanding"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "the phenomena of of of"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "UFOs."}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> So what do you tell him? Do you like cuz"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "when someone sees military tech, you"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "tell them it's aliens. What happens when"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "someone sees aliens? Did you tell them"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "it's military?"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:25", "text": ">> Well, there was another agent, a senior"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "agent involved also with me when I took"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "the initial report, did the initial"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "investigation,"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "uh, did all the reports and sent them up"}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "to to headquarters. The senior agent"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "then became involved in that and he"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "somewhat took over that. Now, what he"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "told them or him"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "um would have had to been in line with"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "what he already had a security clearance"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "for. Remember, Paul Benowitz didn't have"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "a security clearance. Sure. He had an"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "industrial security contract because he"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "did have a contract with the with the"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "government making uh parts for uh weapon"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "systems. But this guy had a security"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "clearance. He's he had he had all the"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "tickets punched. He worked in a special"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "access program that involved alien"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "technology or examining them."}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:13", "text": ">> Really,"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> he he guarded those areas."}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:17", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "it was difficult to tell him what he saw"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "was government cuz he wouldn't have"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "believed it. So, there there are other"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "ways of of of covering that. You would"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "make him sign an an NDA and"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:28", "text": ">> or read him in."}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:30", "text": ">> Read him in."}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": ">> And that's what I believe. Again, the"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "senior agent handling. You don't know"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:35", "text": ">> I wasn't I wasn't involved in that."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "Exactly."}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> There's no So, yeah, when you're briefed"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "at a certain level, you're not"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "gaslighting these people. You're you're"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "you're"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "probably more likely to bring them"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "closer"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": ">> into Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> If a pilot, and I had these happened, an"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "A7 uh uh jet pilot, Air Force pilot, a"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "National Guard, it was Air National"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "Guard, New Mexico Air National Guard,"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "had an incident where he had contact"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "in the air and on the ground. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "I handled that whole case, but I"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "couldn't tell him that it was an Air"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "Force."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:11", "text": ">> So, he he knew."}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> So, what did you tell him?"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:16", "text": ">> I I told him he probably encountered a"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "real thing, you know, although it just"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "it went away and and, you know, he he"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "had to he wanted to get back on flying"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "status because"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "something like that happened. They take"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "you off flying status, you know, and so"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "he he he didn't want to. So I said, \"You"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "need to sign something that that you"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "promise you'll never talk about it.\""}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "\"Okay, I'll sign it.\""}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": ">> You want to get back up in the air."}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:40", "text": ">> Yeah. That's the thing about pilots"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "specifically where it's pretty sensitive"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "in terms of reporting and even even like"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "personal mental health or anything like"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "that just like takes you out of the sky."}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "Um, so when something happens,"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "let's say because you've obviously with"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "Paul with the Paul Benowitz case, you"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "know, you had to keep him going and"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "saying, \"Hey, this is Yeah, you're"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "right. It is aliens or whatever.\" Um, so"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "that you would detract him from what"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "really was going on in the base. When"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "things are of potential alien origin,"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "do you sometimes tell them that it's"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "just advanced tech when a civilian is"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "reporting something like that?"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:22", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:25", "text": ">> Yeah. So, would you would it be safe to"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "assume from a civilian's point of view"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "that the Air Force Office of Special"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "Investigations is essentially what they"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "refer to as the Men in Black from a"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "civilian point of view?"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": ">> Yeah. um in a way. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:41", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> but but but"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "the men in black is something entirely"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "different"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:48", "text": ">> within government structures."}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:51", "text": ">> Within the government structure, uh we"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "had a uh unit within the 760year"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "intelligence wing at Fort Belvore. They"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "they were the dirty tricks people, okay?"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "And um uh they didn't go out and kill"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "people or anything like that, but"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "they're the ones if we OSI couldn't"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "convince somebody or if we needed"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "something uh that that we couldn't get,"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "we'd bring in these people. And these"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "were the bunch of uh we call them the"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "thugs. I mean, they were the knuckle"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "draggers. They were the guys that would"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "uh that the military recruited out of uh"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "uh someplace else that that didn't have"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "the unblenmish records. They didn't they"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "weren't the Harvard grads or the"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "Dartmouth grads. Uh they were the"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:40", "text": ">> rag tag bunch ragtag uh probably uh"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "played football or soccer or rugby. And"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "these guys uh had been in ballroom"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "bar alls and and they're the type of"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "guys that did things off the record so"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "to speak"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:53", "text": ">> unethically would you say to some"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "extent?"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:56", "text": ">> Uh you know probably."}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "00:59:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, but because they are not part"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "of the OSI, they you have plausible"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "deniability so that if you know anybody"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "comes back and says, \"Hey, you sent"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "these thugs over who said they were"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "going to bury us in the desert for"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "talking about this stuff.\" You can just"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "say, \"That wasn't us. We have no idea"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "who those people were.\""}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:19", "text": ">> Exactly. And almost all of them were"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "sheep dipped,"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:24", "text": ">> if you know what sheep dip is."}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, so they were uh they would"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "have um IDs uh they were postal workers"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "or or whatever IDs they they could get a"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "hold of. Um and uh and they if you"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "checked it would be legitimate if some"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "of them might have be worked for some"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "construction company or something like"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "that if they were caught. Yeah. Now, uh,"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "and some were, uh, you know, caught"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "either by us or by, uh, the civilian"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "police and there were ways to get them"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "out of what they they did. And it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "my job. It was Department of Justice"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "already had been briefed into all this"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "stuff. So, and I'm not sure how that"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "worked, but uh, there were cases where"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "they got caught doing what we told them,"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "asked them to do."}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Wow."}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "It does seem like a lot of skull duggery"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "happens within these organizations to"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "maintain secrecy."}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:20", "text": ">> A lot."}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And that's part of I mean counter"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "intelligence as well. Like there's a"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "whole other you know when we think of"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:28", "text": "counter intelligence I think not myself"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "but I think when a lot of people think"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "of counter intelligence and especially I"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "think the names that come up are"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "yourself and Lu Alzando in this space."}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "um you know people often"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "they they immediately go to oh disinfo"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "agents and there's there's a whole facet"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "of counter intelligence that definitely"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "deals with mismal or disinformation."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:56", "text": ">> Um but there is also a whole other side"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "of counter intelligence that deals with"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "espionage that deals with other"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "countries foreign adversaries and that"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "type of thing. So um how would you to"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "the average viewer uh looking at this"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "scrutinizing you know counter"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "intelligence being involved in the"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "euphology how would you sort of justify"}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "the presence of counter intelligence in"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "regards to UFOs?"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "Well, we"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "the job of the air force office special"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "investigations"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "specifically the special projects branch"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "which I worked in we call them PJs uh"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "different from par rescue and when I"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "would say that on air they say wait a"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "minute PJs are par rescue no special"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "projects that our code was PJ um our job"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "was protect"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "uh materials classification classified"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "material"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "special access programs, sensitive"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "compartment information under title 50,"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "uh prevent that information from getting"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "into the enemy hands and we would do"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "everything in our power to protect that"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "information. Our job was to protect the"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "classified"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "projects, special action, special access"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "programs or or sensitive aircraft, new"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "aircraft from that technology from"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "getting into the enemy hands. And back"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "in those days, it was the Soviet Union,"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "the the the red Chinese, uh North"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "Korean, uh Cuban. Uh so we did"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "everything in our powers to do that. And"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "that may involve uh deception operations"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "which the this public calls"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "disinformation. It's deception"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "operations using misinformation. Okay,"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "that's our job."}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:48", "text": ">> Counter intelligence"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "um and counter espionage is part of"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "counter intelligence. Um we've ran"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "counter espionage operations against UFO"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "groups because of who was in that group."}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "uh somebody that's not native. Remember,"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "we are a free society."}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "The Soviets or Russians are not. Back in"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "my days, it was the Soviets. The Soviets"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "could penetrate us because we're an open"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "society. And guess what? The number one"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "group they always penetrated, UFO"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "groups. We had Soviet operators in you,"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "Mufon, cause APRO, all these different"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "groups to get information."}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "And this is what people don't realize is"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "muon"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "the reason we"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "uh counter intelligence penetrated muon"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "and appro and cause these other UFO"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "groups was to keep track of the other"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "hostile intelligence services"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "penetrating them. You don't realize"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "you you can't realize the number of of"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:11", "text": "not Soviet spies,"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "but uh I would say Soviet influencers"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "that were in these groups, not just"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "Soviets, even the Chinese had had uh"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "people within the group. And why? Well,"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "believe it or not,"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "Mufund or Appro got information that the"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "government didn't have."}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "Uh, John Doe sees something."}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "He doesn't report it to the Air Force."}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "He reports it to a UFO group uh by"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "phone. Back then, the internet wasn't"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "around. And now MUFO MUAN sends field"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "investigators out to investigate this."}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "Those field investigators, unless it's"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "something that is it's going to uh"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "affect national security, they're not"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "going to come to the military. So we"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "have to have people in a group that know"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "what these investigators are doing in"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "order to report back to us. So that's"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "what that complex ne west nest uh that"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "we that involves counter intelligence."}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:17", "text": ">> Yeah. I suppose where people might be a"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "little,"}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "I guess, put off by that information"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "would be,"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "okay, you're infiltrating for national"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "security in order to perhaps fend off"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "foreign adversaries from getting access"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "to this information. But with the same"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "with the same stroke,"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "you're also"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "misrepresenting what happened to a lot"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "of the experiencers, a lot of the"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "investigators. You know, it's your job"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "also to mitigate that information in a"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "way that protects, you know, sensitive"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:57", "text": "uh sites or real sightings uh protect"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "the secret from going out. Um, do you"}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "think that that is still in effect today"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "or I mean I would assume so."}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:05", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely."}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> MUON, all these different organizations"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "are completely infiltrated and there's"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:13", "text": "nothing that goes on there that isn't"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "overseen by intelligence agencies, you"}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "would say."}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:17", "text": ">> Yeah, there's a Bill Moore in every one"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "of those groups."}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": ">> Well, I'm glad you I'm glad you brought"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "him up. Um, how many Bill Morris were"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "there when Bill Moore was around?"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:30", "text": ">> A lot of Bill Moors. Uh but he was he"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "was a person uh that I recruited, I"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "handled him uh that we sent into the he"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "was already members of the group"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:37", "text": ">> of course"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:40", "text": ">> and all we asked him to do was report"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "back anything of significant value. We"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "call it EIS, essential elements of"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "information within intelligence that uh"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "might affect national security"}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:51", "text": ">> but also to disseminate information"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:54", "text": ">> that came later."}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:58", "text": ">> Okay. And that's probably"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "the uh one regret."}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "If if I had to do it all over again,"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:09", "text": "I would not be part of that."}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "I was part of providing Bill with"}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "disinformation"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "to set send in to discredit the UFO"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "group. And um there was somebody else"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "um also doing that within the CIA. Now,"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "and this isn't classified anymore. Bill"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "Moore was was being handled by both"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "because Bill Moore had contacts uh"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "within the Soviet Union. Uh he knew"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "scientists within the Soviet Academy of"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "Science and he was communicating with"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "them. So the CIA was involved in that"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "and we were involved in the other side"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "of it. what Bill was doing. He he was a"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "very important asset uh to us. And there"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "was another person that um was actually"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "fe feeding the disinformation"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:06", "text": "uh to build more that went to these"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "groups. Um it it always um I was always"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "hesitant about that, but you know, I"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "have a job to do. He had the job to do"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "and we did it. We did our job. we were"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "told to do this and we did what we were"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "told to do. So that's the only part of"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "of that that I I I I still regret. I did"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "everything by the book before that I"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "think we could have probably not I think"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "we could have changed."}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> What would you have done differently?"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "I wouldn't have I wouldn't have targeted"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "people within the group because those"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "people within that group uh and there"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "was only one occasion I'm talking about"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:45", "text": "uh these these two people were"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "legitimately collecting really really"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "good information from a person that had"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "a a close encounter"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "um in Nevada and um"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "not far from close to Dallas tested"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "training range And"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "we were"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "we and I and I was part of it. Uh was"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "trying to convince first of all we tried"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "to convince these two investigators that"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "they're not you know they shouldn't be"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "reporting. They shouldn't listen to this"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "person."}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "Uh we've already investigated him. He's"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "a liar. Just forget it. Well, they knew"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "he wasn't and we knew he wasn't."}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "So, and so they had this other agent"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "uh would had to put more pressure on"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "these two investigators within Muon. It"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "was Muon out of Nevada. Uh they're very"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "good people, too. And um to to try to"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "convince them that uh they're not to"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "listen to that guy. And I don't I think"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "I think at the end they won, we lost"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:55", "text": "because they didn't buy anything that we"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "were saying. And sometimes we weren't"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "always successful in deception"}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "operations. I can tell you right now. Uh"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "we try our best, but uh there were only"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "certain things we can do. Even if we"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "brought in the thugs from the 760 intel"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "wing, we you know they we had to operate"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "under the law,"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "mostly under the law. I mean there was"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:27", "text": "stretches where you could you could do"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "things. Uh but uh you know I never uh"}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "went above and beyond the law. I mean I"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "I I I I knew what our limits were and"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "there were times when we went right up"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "and said listen"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "this is it. We can't do anything more."}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "Whatever they do they're on their own."}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "And like I said we don't know we didn't"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "always win."}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:53", "text": ">> Yeah. But I mean just even the um the"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "notion of being fed misinformation or"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "being you know having that information"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "injected into a group and then you know"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "someone like Bill Moore in '89 at that"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "famous MUON symposium where he confessed"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "to you know being part of that. I mean"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:12", "text": "that itself tarnishes"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "you know not only"}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "his reputation but also the"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "organization's reputation and we don't"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:25", "text": "know what information is to be believed"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "from that point on. So I I would say"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "that you did succeed. Um there's you"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "know although perhaps those people"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "believed or didn't believe or refused to"}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "believe what you were telling them I"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "think at at the end of the day the"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "damage is done because as you know in"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "counter intelligence I'm sure you don't"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:46", "text": "have to prove something you just have to"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "say it enough times and then people"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "repeat it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "in terms of, you know, let's look at"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "let's take a look at the 80s because"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "there's a lot of stuff that came out in"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "terms of like declassified or classified"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "document leaks. Um, namely the Majestic"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "12 stuff. Um, a lot of the stuff that"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "came, you know, to Jamie Shandera and"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "to, you know, um, I mean to a lot of"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "researchers tables and then this came"}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "out. Um,"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "uh, who am I thinking of here? Timothy."}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:20", "text": ">> Timothy Good."}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:22", "text": ">> Timothy Good and and uh Ryan Wood, you"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "know, had had a lot of"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:29", "text": ">> uh work on the MJ12 documents as well."}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:33", "text": ">> I don't even know how to ask this. What"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "part of the MJ12 document"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "was there a part of that that you or"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "anyone you know of your organization was"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "involved in putting out there? And if"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "so, specifically, which part? Well, I"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "can't answer whether other people in the"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "organization uh was involved in I'm sure"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "they were. I wasn't involved in it. The"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "first time I saw that document was when"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:56", "text": ">> which document particular"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:13:57", "text": ">> MJ12 that Jamie Shander got."}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:03", "text": ">> There's a there's a lot more to that"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "than than just him getting that"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "document."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "He got some he was in Washington DC two"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "weeks before meeting with somebody"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:18", "text": "because Jaime was part of another"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "operation. He was an asset that was"}, {"start": "01:14:18", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "being used by the Naval Investigative"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "Service which is now Naval Criminal"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:29", "text": "Investigative Service. Um back then it"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "was just NIS and they were they were and"}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "I'm not going to go into that details"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "but he was he went back to Washington."}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "and he went back to the B uh botanical"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "gardens. He met there and they told him"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "some things. Uh two weeks later or"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "roughly two weeks later, he gets the"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "document uh in the mail. Uh uh stat"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "marked Albuquerque, New Mexico. Uh but"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "that is another thing. Um that's a fake"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "marking because when the FBI did"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "analysis on it, they said this isn't a"}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "postal marking. But that is that's"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:07", "text": "beside the point. Anyways, he gets it."}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:07", "end": "01:15:10", "text": "what I'm getting at, it didn't go"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "through the mail system."}, {"start": "01:15:10", "end": "01:15:13", "text": ">> It was placed in this box."}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:17", "text": ">> I see. Like dead dropped."}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:21", "text": ">> Yeah, dead dropped. And so he gets this."}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "He immediately contacts Bill Moore and"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "Bill says, \"Well, don't do anything with"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "it, you know, let me see it and analyze"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:32", "text": "it.\" And then at some time some other"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "time I I he shows it to me. Bill Moore"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "shows it to me, but he shows me a copy"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "now. And we're in San Francisco. Okay."}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "He Bill Moore meets me there and we we"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "were doing something entirely different,"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "but Bill says, \"I got something I want"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "you to look at, but we we can't do it"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "here. We have to go someplace private.\""}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "I said, \"What is it?\" He said, \"It's a"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "document.\" I said, \"Where'd you get it?\""}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:58", "text": "He said, \"I got it from Jamie.\" He"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "doesn't give me the whole details then."}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "Anyways, I said, \"Well, go to the hotel"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "room.\" And he shows it to me. I"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "immediately take it from him. I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "\"Bill, this is classified. Where the"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "hell did you get it from?\" He said, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "it I it's a copy of a copy.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "\"Where's the original?\" Jamie has it."}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "So, I take it. I seize that document"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "being I'm an OSI. I'm a federal agent. I"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "seize that because it shows"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "classification on it. So, I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "\"Okay.\" Okay. So, the I'm here in San"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:33", "text": "Francisco. The closest uh facility"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "around a military facility is Travis Air"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "Force Base in Fairfield. So, I go out to"}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "the OSI office there. And I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "\"Listen, I sees this from somebody, you"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "know, you need to need to package it,"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "you know, do the packaging top secret."}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "You got to go through the the uh armed"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "forces courier system to get it to"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "wherever.\" Anyways, they what do you"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "want us to do with it? I said, \"I want"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "you to mail it to me at Kirtland.\" And"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "so they do that. I sent it to"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "headquarters."}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "I sent the when I go back, you know,"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "four or five days later, I get it. I"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "package it and send it to headquarters."}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "I never hear anything more. I I call I"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "call I said, \"Hey, uh, did you get"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "that?\" Well, I know they got the package"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "because it has to go through an armed"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "forces courier system because it's top"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "secret code word. Yeah. I said, and the"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "guy I I talked to, his last name is"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:31", "text": "Benjamin. I said, 'Hey, Benji, we call"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "him Benji. Benji, did you get that"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "package? Yeah. He said, I he said, I put"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "it through the channel and it it's been"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "a month probably and I haven't heard"}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "anything back from it. I said, so what"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "are they going to do?"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "I don't know. Out of my hands."}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "So I go and I thought, well, maybe the"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "investigative side of it, the guys that"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "investigate espionage are handling it."}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "So I get a hold of one of them. I said,"}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "you what what are you doing with that"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:04", "text": "document? He says, it's been passed on."}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "I said, well, what are they going to do"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "with it? He said, I don't know,"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "but you don't need to know, Dodie. Said,"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "okay, that I was out of it. I then I"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "you know I'm somewhat intelligent you"}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "know I went to college I could figure"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "out what two and two is I thought that's"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "a disinformation that's a deception"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "operation that just occurred."}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:38", "text": ">> Do you think that was from CIA"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "or from your department? Well,"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "[clears throat] there's a there's a a a"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "special"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "office within the Defense Intelligence"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "Agency, also the Central Intelligence"}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "Agency."}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "Uh, it's named differently. It within"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "the DIA, and it's not classified"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "anymore, Special Means Committee. The"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "Special Means Committee creates"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "documents for mostly counter espionage"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "operations,"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:08", "text": ">> right? So, yeah. Passage material and"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:10", "text": ">> Yeah. If you run a counter intellig a"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:12", "text": "counter espionage operation, you have to"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "give a little real stuff in order for"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "the Soviets to believe it or whoever"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "you're targeting."}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:16", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:17", "text": ">> And so they do that."}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:20", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:22", "text": ">> So I"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "kind of figured it probably came out of"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "there. I don't know for a fact."}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. Now, when when this was obby"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "investigated back in ' 87 and 88,"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "um the FBI pretty much"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "targeted the DIA, but the DIA denies it."}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:48", "text": "So, I don't know. The FBI had help in"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "Didn't the Didn't the FBI go to the go"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "to OSI in in determining that it was"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "bogus?"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:56", "text": ">> well,"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:59", "text": ">> that's that's where the crux is because"}, {"start": "01:19:56", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "whether it's real or not,"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "I mean, they're going to deny it"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "outright either way."}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:07", "text": ">> There was a meeting"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "when when and I I've found this out"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "years later, not not then, not during"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "the years."}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:17", "text": ">> Uh I was sitting at a UFO convention and"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "one of the um uh uh Colonel Law, he was"}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "chief of counter intelligence for OSI."}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "uh he he showed up that towards the end"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "of this UFO convention and uh I had"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "actually went to the airport and got him"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "and brought him there. Anyways, we were"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "sitting talking and he and"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "the subject"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "came up of of Ryan Ryan Woods, doctor"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "the father"}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:50", "text": "and um he said,"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "\"Wow, I never thought that stuff would"}, {"start": "01:20:50", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "end up where it ended up.\" And I I said,"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "\"Conel?\" I said, \"Is that stuff real?\""}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "He said,"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "Richard, how many counter espionage"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "operations did you run? I said, quite a"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "few. You realize you have to give them"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "the real stuff, some of the real stuff."}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "And that's all he said to me."}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:21", "text": ">> So, the MJ12 documents contain"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "uh some legitimate information"}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "mixed in with some information."}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:30", "text": ">> But none of that you can confirm. I"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "can't because I didn't I wasn't author"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:32", "text": "of it. Just like"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:35", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:21:32", "end": "01:21:38", "text": ">> it it's just like when the Linda How"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "incident happened. I don't know if you"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "want to talk about that."}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:41", "text": ">> Sure. If you want to if you want to talk"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "about it."}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "we all know who Linda How is. She was an"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "enemy. Now she's a friend of mine. Um, I"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "was tasked with uh an operation to bring"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "her in and brief her on something uh"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "because of what she was doing,"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:01", "text": ">> the documentary,"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:04", "text": ">> the documentary she was working on HBO."}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:07", "text": "And um so"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:10", "text": "this is this is actually what happened."}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:13", "text": "uh about a week before she was due to"}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "Albuquerque. OSI already knew that she"}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "was coming to Albuquerque and they they"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "told me you need to make an appointment"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "and and and and we're going to send you"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "something and we want her to read this."}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "I said, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "So, uh we she's already contacted uh"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "Jerry Miller who was part of this. Um"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "and so I ended up going and picking her"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "up. Oh, be the day before the afternoon"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "before this was to occur, we had we had"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "a a place to to to interview her and and"}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "there was a two-way mirror and she was"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "everything was going to be recorded"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "audio and video video and uh I get a"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "package in from the armed forces"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "courier."}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "Uh I opened it and I kind of looked"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "through it but I didn't really read"}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "everything. the the day of her meeting,"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "I went out just before I went out to"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "pick her up to bring her to the gate"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "because she had to be cleared in. I read"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:14", "text": "it. I read I went through the document"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:17", "text": "and I said, \"Holy cow, this is"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "presidential briefing document.\" But I,"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "you know, the counter intelligence"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "officer in me says, \"Wonder how much of"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "this is real.\" [clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "So anyway, she comes in and I give her"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "the spiel. I said, \"You can read this."}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "Can't take notes. Uh, I can't can't"}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "photograph it. And so she reads it and"}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "she"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "she asked me, \"How long do I have?\" I"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "said, \"You can read it a couple"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "different times.\" So she took her"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "probably 354 minutes. She I mean, she"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "read everything several times. I took it"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "back. I put it back in the desk. I"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "packaged it up. I sent it back to"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "headquarters. And that's my beginning uh"}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "of of of using her as a source of"}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "information. Now I find out later"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "that they were going to do this"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "operation against her and it's being"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "handled in headquarters. Not not not me"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "with me. I was just a field agent uh"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "handling what they asked me to handle. I"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "wasn't actually the case agent. That was"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "being done in in headquarters. She was"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:27", "text": "to do an a documentary uh uh for UF uh"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "for HBO on UFOs and she had information"}, {"start": "01:24:27", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "that she had obtained from an Air Force"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "officer who worked at the Pentagon."}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "My job was to get the name of that"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "officer"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:44", "text": ">> so we could run a a case against him"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "because he disclosed classified"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "information to her. So that's why I"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "handled Linda and she was a tough"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:55", "text": "cookie. I I was totally unsuccessful. I"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "never got anything from her. Uh she was"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:25:01", "text": "very smart. Uh she would give me other"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "information but names I never get that"}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "from her."}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Linda's um tenacious to say the"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "least."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> Yeah. That's a good word for Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. But but but getting back to"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "it,"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:16", "text": ">> the information that she was reading,"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:20", "text": ">> you don't know."}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:22", "text": ">> I I actually only had access to it for"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:25", "text": "that short period of time because I had"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "to send it back. I read it. I read the"}, {"start": "01:25:25", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "document. I read the same thing she read"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "and I thought it was amazing what they"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "were giving her, but I thought it can't"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "be real. I mean, I mean, some of it"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:40", "text": "probably is. Now, over the years, I've"}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "learned that some of that is real and"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "then some of it isn't."}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:46", "text": ">> So, what have you created that isn't"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "real?"}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:51", "text": ">> I create We mean during my time in OSI,"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "uh, I I didn't create anything."}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:54", "text": ">> No material."}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:56", "text": ">> No, I I would not be allowed to do that."}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:58", "text": ">> No. So, No, but what information did you"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "pass on?"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:02", "text": ">> That was given to you that you know for"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:02", "text": "a fact wasn't real that people took us"}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "to church."}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:08", "text": ">> Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "there was an incident involving a uh a"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:14", "text": "civilian uh that saw something. It was"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:18", "text": "an actually an experimental craft. It"}, {"start": "01:26:14", "end": "01:26:19", "text": "was uh the first prototype of the"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "Aurora."}, {"start": "01:26:19", "end": "01:26:21", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:25", "text": ">> Which was being developed at the same"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "time that the F17 was at Tonap. That"}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "same time period. this guy saw this and"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "I had to give him information"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "uh on a UFO. I made we made up OSI made"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "up the story about a UFO"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "that occurred a sighting of of occurred"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "the same time he saw this real craft. So"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:53", "text": "everything I gave him about that UFO was"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "was false. I mean everything"}, {"start": "01:26:53", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "um it came down from headquarters. I"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "even probably embellished a lot of that"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "stuff to convince him and he and he was"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:05", "text": "thoroughly convinced and then I had him"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "sign an NDA."}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:09", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:12", "text": ">> So that was that was one of I mean I"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "probably did it well I I know I did it"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "other times. Um this is this is a funny"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:21", "text": "story about uh Nellis test and training"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "range while we were out there when I was"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "out there at at Groom Lake."}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "Um back in those days in the late 70s"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "and 80s prostitution was legal in"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "Nevada. Most counties had prop county"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:41", "text": "which most of uh Del's testing train the"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "testing range encompassed NY County a"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:46", "text": "little bit of Lincoln and a little bit"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "of Clark. Um,"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:51", "text": "our job was to go out and recruit every"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "single prostitute"}, {"start": "01:27:51", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "around the Nellis testing range and pay"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "them to inform us when an Air Force"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:02", "text": "person came in and talked about anything"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "dealing with their job."}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:06", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:08", "text": ">> And and we did that. And I tell you"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "what, the best sources of information"}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "are those prostitutes."}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:14", "text": ">> No way. Because we actually ran a case"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "against a pilot"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:17", "text": ">> because of"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:19", "text": ">> he came in he used a he used one"}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:22", "text": "particular prostitute all the time. He"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "was a major and he was flying the 117."}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:27", "text": ">> Oh wow. and he would come in and and and"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "try to impress her by telling her"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "stories about the F-119"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:36", "text": "and he was doing 11719"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "and that uh he could do all these"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "strange things and and and"}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "even we could chase flying saucers with"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "him and all this stuff. Well, when we"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "visited and well, she called us."}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "Uh, we had a special phone number and"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "she called us and she said, \"Uh, I got"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "some information for you.\" So, she was"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "at prompt."}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:00", "text": ">> Were they paid?"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:02", "text": ">> Oh, well paid."}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:03", "text": ">> So, wait, the Air Force paid"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "prostitutes? Is there anything?"}, {"start": "01:29:03", "end": "01:29:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:09", "text": ">> Well paid, but but not for anything,"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:13", "text": "just for the information. So, I go out"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "there with another agent and um she we"}, {"start": "01:29:13", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "go in and she says"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "she gives us his name and she tells us"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "everything he said."}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "And I said,"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "\"He told you this stuff?\" Yeah. I don't"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "know if it's any of it's true that they"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "don't wouldn't know it. I said, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "I said, \"Uh, how often does he come in"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "here?\" She said, \"Uh, once every couple"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "weeks.\" Well, they could only get off"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "every whatever it was. I don't know. I"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:44", "text": "don't remember now. Periodically he"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "would come in. I said, \"Does he make an"}, {"start": "01:29:44", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "appointment?\" And she said, \"Yeah.\" I"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "said, \"Next time he calls and make"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:51", "text": "appointment, let us know because we're"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "going to we're going to put a we're"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "going to bug the room.\" And so she does"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:58", "text": "and we bug it and we get and he's she's"}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "just asking him questions. Hey, remember"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "you told me about that plane that you"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "guys are flying out there and the flying"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:09", "text": "saucers and stuff. And then he went on"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "like 20 some minutes talking about it."}, {"start": "01:30:09", "end": "01:30:13", "text": "So she calls us and says, \"Hey, I you"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "know, he left and I turned it off like"}, {"start": "01:30:13", "end": "01:30:18", "text": "you told us to and we come out get it"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:20", "text": "and then we go pay him a visit at the"}, {"start": "01:30:18", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "dorm at Tonipa, you know, and you know,"}, {"start": "01:30:20", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "it's funny. He's in this dorm and you"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:29", "text": "know he's officer Bill he's a major and"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:32", "text": "he has a suite and then I knock on the"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "door he opens it and his face just went"}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> h"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> he knew"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:39", "text": "I said you know special agent door OS I"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "need to talk to you"}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "he says okay I said uh but not here"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "you're going to go with me we're going"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "to go over the OSI office which we had"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "one at Tonipa"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:51", "text": "he says you want me to bring anything"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "with me I said no just your ID just, you"}, {"start": "01:30:51", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "know, so [sighs]"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "put him in the vehicle. He's we get him"}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:00", "text": "in the office, take put him in an"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "interrogation room and what you do is"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "you put him in there and there's a"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "camera and they know the camera's on and"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "we sit him there and we let him let him"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:09", "text": "wait"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "because this is going to be"}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:12", "text": "interrogation. It's not going to be an"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "interview."}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "And um that's guy's married,"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:20", "text": ">> has two children. And so we come in and"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:24", "text": "I come in with the other agent. I sit"}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "down. And I said, \"Major,\""}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:27", "text": "he said, \"I know you're going to talk"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:30", "text": "about.\" I said, \"Shut your mouth. Don't"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "even talk to me yet.\""}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:35", "text": "Yeah. He I said, \"When I ask you a"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:39", "text": "question, you can answer it.\""}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And um I tell him I"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "kind of give him a preamble, not"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "mentioning anything directly."}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:46", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:48", "text": ">> I said, \"You know, you're a major in the"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "United States Air Force. you've been a"}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "pilot for whatever it was, 14, 15 years."}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "Uh you're flying one of the uh most"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "expensive and most classified aircraft"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "that the Air Force has."}, {"start": "01:32:00", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "And um you're married, right? You got"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "two kids. Your wife's at Edwards Air"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "Force Base. You're here"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "and you can't keep it in your pants."}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "He starts crying."}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "It's not funny, but he starts crying. He"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:27", "text": "He said, \"Okay.\" I said, \"But but but"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "but before I ask you any questions, I"}, {"start": "01:32:27", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "have to read this to you. It's your"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "article 31. That's a fifth amendment in"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "the military.\" I read him as, you know,"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "you have a right to remain silent and"}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "all that stuff. And I pulled him the"}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:39", "text": "document. I said, \"You need a sign there"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "on the bottom that you acknowledge it.\""}, {"start": "01:32:39", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "He does. I said, \"So now we're going to"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "talk if you want to talk."}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:49", "text": "But remember what's going to happen if"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "you don't talk to me when you leave that"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "room. But you don't have to talk to me."}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:54", "text": ">> And he talked. Of course, he admitted"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:33:01", "text": ">> He took offline status. He he they sent"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "him back to Edwards and he he um"}, {"start": "01:33:01", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "eventually he just took him off that"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "program."}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "I don't know really what happened. I"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "mean I he I think he went back to flying"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "status, but not anything classified any."}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "I guess you had to have the prostitute"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "as well sign NDAs."}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:17", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:20", "text": ">> In that case,"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:23", "text": ">> well, they don't know. Yeah, we do. But"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:23", "text": ">> they're not liable to really talk about"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:26", "text": ">> They keep their mouth shut."}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:27", "text": ">> Yeah, they're good. They're good at"}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "keeping secrets."}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:30", "text": ">> They're very good at keeping secrets."}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:31", "text": ">> Yeah. And that wasn't just that was one"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:32", "text": "of many"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:34", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:36", "text": ">> cases that we we had."}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:38", "text": ">> So quite successful."}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:40", "text": ">> Very very successful. Yeah. I said that"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "the Air Force spent a lot of money on on"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "the prostitution around, but we never we"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:45", "text": "never got anything from it but"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "information."}, {"start": "01:33:45", "end": "01:33:49", "text": ">> Yeah. On the books at least."}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:54", "text": ">> Um Okay. So"}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "towards the"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "end of the 80s now we've you know we've"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "gone through so many things in terms of"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:06", "text": "documents coming forward uh prominent"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:08", "text": "researchers being sort of outed as as uh"}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:11", "text": "you know part of a dis disinformation"}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "campaign. Um"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "a lot is going on in Euphology."}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "But then in 1988, there was a TV special"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "which you're on um the UFO cover up um"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "on on TV and well you're hidden under"}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "the alias Falcon if I'm not mistaken and"}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:38", "text": "then there's also um uh what was it? Uh"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "it was Condor uh was the other was the"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:41", "text": "other person and you"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:44", "text": ">> Bob Collins. Robert Collins."}, {"start": "01:34:41", "end": "01:34:46", "text": ">> That's right. and"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "you go on there talking about a lot of"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:53", "text": "really interesting things. Now I want to"}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "know did that come from"}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "your own valition or was that was that"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:00", "text": "an order to do something like that?"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "Where did that come from? Where did the"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:06", "text": "the where were the impetus?"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:08", "text": ">> Well, number one, that wasn't live."}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> That was recorded a year before,"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:13", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "Uh, and that was part of another"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "operation"}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:17", "text": ">> and that came from OSI."}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> Yeah, it came from OSI."}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> So they were because that's the that's"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "the"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:23", "text": ">> that was 87, not 88."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:28", "text": ">> Oh, 87. My bad. And it was so strange"}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "because you know, you're basically"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:33", "text": "making public"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "what you were the same information that"}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "you were giving to Paul Benowitz. What"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "was the call there? Why go from, hey,"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "we're going to you we're going to, you"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "know, keep this contained and control"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:47", "text": "the situation to now go public with this"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "thing like what was the reason?"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:53", "text": ">> Well, well, um,"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:55", "text": "OSI was trying to this that was part of"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "an OSI and FBI investigation. They were"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "trying trying to draw somebody out."}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:00", "text": ">> I see."}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:03", "text": ">> And they were hoping that what I said."}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "Now, at the time I did that interview, I"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "didn't know about what was going to"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "happen a year later. Actually, it was"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "like 15 months before"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "the October 87 interview"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "the movie."}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:18", "text": ">> Yeah. When it came out."}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:20", "text": ">> When it came out. When Yeah. So, I"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "didn't know uh"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:22", "text": ">> that all that the lid was going to get"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "blown."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:27", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "And so,"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:30", "text": "they were hoping and I wasn't involved"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "in this part of it. They were hoping to"}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "draw out somebody that they were looking"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "for"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "that had disclosed classified"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "information to somebody else."}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "And so"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:48", "text": "I had a script."}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:51", "text": ">> Okay. And were you aware of what parts"}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:54", "text": "of that script were fabricated,"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:56", "text": "confabulated, and which parts were maybe"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "real?"}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "Most of what I said was um"}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "was real. Uh but there was some probably"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "misinformation in there."}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:08", "text": ">> And what I don't remember, you know, I"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:10", "text": "don't remember."}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:13", "text": ">> Okay. The strawberry ice cream probably."}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:16", "text": ">> No, the strawberry ice cream was real."}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "Really? Absolutely. The strawberry ice"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:20", "text": "cream."}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:25", "text": ">> Go back and ask Linda Howell. Okay."}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "Linda How had the um she interviewed"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> and the"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> the captain that lived with Eba one,"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:34", "text": ">> okay,"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:37", "text": ">> from 47 and he used the the strawberry"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "ice cream. He that that was started back"}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "in 1980 when Linda Howell heard that"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "from the captain."}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:48", "text": ">> And what was the reason to include that?"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "I feel like that feels like"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "disinformation."}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:51", "text": ">> It does. And is that why?"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:54", "text": ">> Because it's so going to believe it."}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:55", "text": ">> It's so outlandish. We're just going to"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "throw that in there."}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:37:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:01", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:04", "text": ">> Um, so that was officially authorized."}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "It was a It was a project. It was a Is"}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "was there a name to that project?"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": ">> H I'm sure there was, but I don't recall"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "it. I don't recall what the name is now."}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:15", "text": ">> And then the whole idea of like the"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "aviary and that sort of that was what"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "was that about? Well, the Averary was"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "created by Jamie Shander and um and and"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "and others. I can't think of her name."}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "Uh Tracy"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:34", "text": "what was it? What's her name? Anyways,"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:38", "text": "that was created by them."}, {"start": "01:38:34", "end": "01:38:43", "text": ">> Mhm. because of of the uh the working"}, {"start": "01:38:38", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "group that I was a part of that uh Hal"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "Putoff, Kit Green, uh Scott uh"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "uh uh Scott, what's his name? Uh Senator"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:59", "text": "Pel's aid. Um and then others that we"}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "would meet. Richard Helms was actually"}, {"start": "01:38:59", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "the Falcon. He was the the part of the"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "controller. I was just a a really low"}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "person on a on on a totem pole, so to"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "speak. And I I did a lot of fetching"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "things for them and and the security"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "clearances and stuff for them when they"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "had meetings. And"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:24", "text": "Jamie Shander got wind of that and he"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "named these people the Averary. We we"}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "found out about that after the after,"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "you know, it was out in the public. I"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:35", "text": "think uh uh Phil class"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:37", "text": ">> Phil class was"}, {"start": "01:39:35", "end": "01:39:38", "text": ">> interesting stuff. Uh what's also"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "interesting and this is something I"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:43", "text": "wanted to mention and not something I've"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "ever talked about before but um"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "so in"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "there is evidence that I have that shows"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "um you familiar with David Copperfield?"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:59", "text": ">> His father was stationed in Roswell. I"}, {"start": "01:39:56", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "have a picture of his ID from 1945."}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "at Roswell Air Force Base and he was"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "counter intelligence."}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:06", "text": ">> Hello."}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:07", "text": ">> At Roswell."}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:08", "text": ">> I didn't know that."}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:11", "text": ">> Now I have Yeah. Not a lot of people do."}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "Um nobody does actually. Um but I I did"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "some digging because I have um I just"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "thought this was an interesting overlap"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "as well being as that"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:23", "text": "most recognizable"}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "deception artist of our time, David"}, {"start": "01:40:23", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "Copperfield, had a father who who may or"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "may not have been part of the Roswell"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "coverup. It it was it was the uh driving"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:36", "text": "force uh for David's show in Vegas for"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "many many years uh which involved a UFO,"}, {"start": "01:40:36", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "an alien, like he had this whole, you"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "know, Vegas show. And what started that"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "was him going through his father's"}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:45", "text": "things when his father passed and"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:46", "text": "finding his ID."}, {"start": "01:40:45", "end": "01:40:49", "text": ">> Never knew that."}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:53", "text": ">> Yeah. So there's his ID. And if if you"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "see here, it says uh squadron C6."}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "And that's not an actual uh squadron"}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "that flew."}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:03", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:05", "text": ">> Yeah. So, the last name's different."}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "Obviously, it's not field."}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> That's amazing."}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:13", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:15", "text": ">> Very interesting."}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:17", "text": ">> Yeah. So, he he might have known more"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "than uh I believe his mother was also"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "stationed there near Roswell and"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:21", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:23", "text": ">> so yeah."}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:24", "text": ">> Interesting. uh interesting tidbits."}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:28", "text": ">> Very interesting."}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:31", "text": ">> Um were you ever tasked,"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "you know, because we we hear this uh you"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "know whether it's you know I interviewed"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "uh John Ramirez who was here as well"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:39", "text": "who's you know ex CIA Lou Alzando and we"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "know for a fact now that"}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:45", "text": ">> you're never"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "fully an ex information agent, you know"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "what I mean?"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:49", "text": "Were there ever instances where you were"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "called upon, and I'm not going to, you"}, {"start": "01:41:49", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "know, ask you for specifics that those"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "are classified, but were there ever"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "instances that you were called upon"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "after you left the OSI that had to do"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "with UFOs?"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:10", "text": ">> Okay. Um, would that be"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "prior to 2015 or after?"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:12", "text": ">> Prior."}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:13", "text": ">> Prior. Never after."}, {"start": "01:42:12", "end": "01:42:16", "text": ">> No, never after."}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:17", "text": ">> Okay. And this was between 2002, 2003"}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "and 2015 somewhere in there where you"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "would"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:24", "text": ">> I left government service in 1988."}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "I was recalled in 1991."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:29", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:32", "text": ">> To work on a project and again in '94"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "and then um"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "after 2002 I was a contract employee for"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "a while."}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:44", "text": ">> You were contract employee for the OSI."}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "Just we'll leave it at US intelligence."}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:49", "text": ">> At US intelligence. Uh and it had to do"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "with the UFO topic."}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:53", "text": ">> Not all of it. Um"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "I would say 50/50. Was that in a"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:03", "text": "monitoring capacity or in a"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "sort of did you have to inject yourself"}, {"start": "01:43:03", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "into this in order to uh"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "you know throw throw some information"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "into the mix that perhaps wasn't true?"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:19", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:20", "text": ">> Um I worked for Dr. Putoff from 94 to"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "2007."}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:24", "text": ">> I see."}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:25", "text": ">> And so I see I'll leave it at that."}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> I understand. Okay. Someone else was"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "interested in how put offs work."}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> Okay. Wow. Interesting. Would Hal be"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "aware of that, you think?"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:36", "text": ">> Smart guy."}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:37", "text": ">> Very smart."}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:38", "text": ">> Brilliant person."}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Can't put much past him."}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:40", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:42", "text": ">> How many saps do you think he was right"}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "into?"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:46", "text": ">> Oh, god."}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:50", "text": "You know, it was so much when I first"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "started working for him. Uh, I didn't"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "have a I it took for a while for me to"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "get a DARPA clearance. Okay. And he"}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:01", "text": "would be working on things in his own"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "skiff and and I would he would tease me"}, {"start": "01:44:01", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "but he would never tell me but um when I"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "got the clearance um I it was only on a"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:13", "text": "need to know. Uh there were times when I"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "would go into the skiff and there would"}, {"start": "01:44:13", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "be a meeting and we'd sit and talk and"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "then there would you know we'd talk for"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "an hour the scientist and his other"}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "techs and then he'd say Rick bye and I'd"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "leave and then we're working on"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "something that I didn't have access to."}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "I just didn't have a know. But um I I I"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "would say dozens and and probably more"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "he had"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:42", "text": ">> and and this isn't a secret but he had"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "or proprietary because there a lot of"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "things I can't talk about."}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> He had um"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "in a certain area of the lab um"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:57", "text": "pieces of extraterrestrial material that"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "he was trying to figure out. And is that"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:45:00", "text": "part of the reason why you were"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "contracted?"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:03", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:08", "text": "partially."}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:11", "text": ">> No, partially. I It was be because of my"}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:14", "text": "uh counter intelligence work and and"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "what I could do and what I could uh"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "because a lot of what I did was I went"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "out to talk to people. He would send me"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "out to interview people that had some"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "connections. Uh I interviewed uh you"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "know we went to South Dakota and I went"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:30", "text": "to South Dakota with some other people"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "from the lab to dug up something because"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "in 19"}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "58 I think it was um can't remember what"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:45", "text": "year but in the 50s or early 60s UFO had"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "crashed on this uh uh ranchers uh land"}, {"start": "01:45:45", "end": "01:45:48", "text": "and he never told anybody about it. He"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "buried it."}, {"start": "01:45:48", "end": "01:45:52", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": ">> Yeah. He buried it. And his grandson"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "is the one that got a hold of somebody"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "who got a hold of somebody who got a"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:03", "text": "hold of Dr. Putoff. And then I was the"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "one that went to um South Dakota to try"}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "to find what what did you bury? And the"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:13", "text": "the the only thing that the grandson"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "knew because the the his grandfather was"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "dead and his father was dead. It was"}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "just a grandson."}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And it was that it was buried in"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "this one area that there's no nothing"}, {"start": "01:46:21", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "grows around it."}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:29", "text": ">> And they water it and water it and"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "nothing grows. So this was the place. So"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:35", "text": "we um"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "that's about all I can talk about."}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:39", "text": "Did you see anything?"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:40", "text": ">> We saw a lot."}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:42", "text": ">> You saw what they took out of the"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "ground?"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "Somebody somebody somebody saw what was"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "taken out of the ground and some and it"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "went someplace but but at that time it"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:54", "text": "was turned over to the government,"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:56", "text": ">> right, Pat?"}, {"start": "01:46:54", "end": "01:46:59", "text": ">> No, this was in uh"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> No, it went to probably Groom Lake, I"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "guess. No, this was in uh"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "2002, I think. Or"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": ">> Okay. Wow."}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Or no, 200. And the crash would"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "have happened in in the 50s or early"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "60s."}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:21", "text": ">> Is that near was that near any type of"}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "radar base?"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:27", "text": ">> It was um"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:29", "text": "south"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "west corner of the state."}, {"start": "01:47:29", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "south of Keystone was it was just Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:38", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:40", "text": ">> was I don't you know there's Ellsworth"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:43", "text": "Air Force Base. It's still there. Uh"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "it's it was a couple hundred miles from"}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:46", "text": "there but um"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:51", "text": ">> was um"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:55", "text": ">> you know I think it was actually near um"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "no later on a minute man site."}, {"start": "01:47:55", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:47:58", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:47:59", "text": ">> in the 50s I didn't have"}, {"start": "01:47:58", "end": "01:48:00", "text": ">> You didn't have one there."}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:04", "text": ">> Well that's really interesting. And"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:06", "text": "that's um so you weren't so you were"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "right into that program. You were right"}, {"start": "01:48:06", "end": "01:48:10", "text": "into that recovery then. I guess"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:13", "text": ">> I was right into Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:14", "text": ">> Well, partially. I I didn't handle"}, {"start": "01:48:13", "end": "01:48:17", "text": "anything. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:20", "text": ">> I didn't analyze anything."}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:21", "text": ">> Uh I just set everything up and then"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "other people came in and did it."}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:24", "text": ">> So, you had partial access."}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Just limited."}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:31", "text": ">> Limited. And how many"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "limited partial accesses have you had to"}, {"start": "01:48:31", "end": "01:48:35", "text": "other crashes,"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:38", "text": "would you say?"}, {"start": "01:48:35", "end": "01:48:40", "text": ">> Four, I guess. But that was that was"}, {"start": "01:48:38", "end": "01:48:42", "text": "during my OSI career. That was Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "that was in the 70s and 80s."}, {"start": "01:48:42", "end": "01:48:46", "text": ">> So you had you had uh quite"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:47", "text": ">> I was actually at one crash site. I was"}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:54", "text": ">> Uh and but the crash happened years"}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "before, but they found it. They"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:49:02", "text": "discovered it and uh I went there uh as"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "part of a team to do the counter"}, {"start": "01:49:02", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "intelligence work regarding the people"}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:11", "text": "that found the witness. But this crash"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "site had was in 60 sometime in the 60s"}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:16", "text": ">> and it was undiscovered"}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:21", "text": ">> and un it was undiscovered and a mining"}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "uh uh exploration team from some company"}, {"start": "01:49:21", "end": "01:49:28", "text": "was doing work in this shaft and they"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:32", "text": "found it in this minehaft"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:36", "text": "and now that's another I mean I don't"}, {"start": "01:49:32", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "know anything other than they found it"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "Um and what when we went there,"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:42", "text": ">> you went on site."}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:45", "text": ">> We went on site,"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "it was assumed,"}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:51", "text": "uh because of of a lot of factors that"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:54", "text": "the invest other investigators, not me,"}, {"start": "01:49:51", "end": "01:49:57", "text": "uh because of where it was that this"}, {"start": "01:49:54", "end": "01:50:00", "text": "thing had crashed"}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "here outside this minehaft and these"}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "miners didn't know what to do with it."}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "So they put it in the mineshaft and you"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:08", "text": "know they had it in there and I don't"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:11", "text": "know why they never reported it to"}, {"start": "01:50:08", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "anybody or maybe they did. Uh there's no"}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "record that that I know of. Maybe there"}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "were records. I you know don't hold me"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "to that because uh we went there and"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "they had found it in the shaft"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:23", "text": ">> and they extracted it"}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:26", "text": ">> and extracted it out. the government,"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "the Dart Dart team, the Astar, special"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "down aircraft recovery team did it and"}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "they pulled it out and you know they it"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "took them I don't think they even got"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:41", "text": "inside of it until they got it to Tonip."}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:44", "text": ">> And now jump ahead when I was out there."}, {"start": "01:50:41", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "This is before I went to Tonip I mean to"}, {"start": "01:50:44", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "uh uh Nellis Test and Training Range."}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "Um, I checked on that while I was there."}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:54", "text": "Uh, and they had they still had that"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "craft there."}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:50:56", "text": ">> The disc?"}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:51:00", "text": ">> The disc? Yeah, it was a disc. And And"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "it was a small one. It was not that big."}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "It it was uh"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:04", "text": ">> You saw it?"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:05", "text": ">> Yeah, I saw the craft. Yeah, it was"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "there at the craft site and I saw him"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:15", "text": "pull it out and it was it was a it was"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "probably um 5t in diameter."}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "So they think but they couldn't get into"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:19", "text": "it. They can't they couldn't find an"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "opening."}, {"start": "01:51:19", "end": "01:51:23", "text": ">> So it was like a solid"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:25", "text": ">> Yep. Well, they did eventually but not"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "during that time when I was there. I"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "didn't see anybody."}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:30", "text": ">> How long did it take him to get in?"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:33", "text": ">> I I don't know. Like I said, that was"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "1980 81."}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:39", "text": "Uh I was there 84. They got it open four"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "years, maybe three or four years. I"}, {"start": "01:51:39", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "don't know exactly how they did that."}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:46", "text": ">> Plasma cutters or"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:48", "text": ">> uh something. And and what I don't know"}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:50", "text": "is whether they found bodies in there."}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "There would have had been many bodies. I"}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "mean, they might have had to be 2 ft"}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "tall."}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:55", "text": ">> No, it was very small. It was like a a"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:51:57", "text": "drone ship or something."}, {"start": "01:51:55", "end": "01:52:00", "text": ">> It It could very well be. I think I"}, {"start": "01:51:57", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "think somebody told me uh that was"}, {"start": "01:52:00", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "probably a a scout ship."}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:05", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:07", "text": ">> That crashed for some reason. There was"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "damage. It's funny because they couldn't"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "get in it, but the part of it"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "was indented. You know, I guess when it"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "hit the ground or I don't know exactly"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:22", "text": "how, but there was part of it that was"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:24", "text": "indented. So, you know, I I always, you"}, {"start": "01:52:22", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "know, of course, I don't know technology"}, {"start": "01:52:24", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "like others do, but why did it take them"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:32", "text": "so long? I mean, we had diamond cutters"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:35", "text": "and all sorts of things back in those"}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:36", "text": "days. Uh, but they they obviously got it"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "open, but I don't know what they found"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:40", "text": "in there. I wasn't ever privy to that."}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:42", "text": ">> Was that the first time you saw with"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:44", "text": "your own eyes?"}, {"start": "01:52:42", "end": "01:52:45", "text": ">> Yeah. UFO?"}, {"start": "01:52:44", "end": "01:52:48", "text": ">> Was that the last?"}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> Let's go. Tell me about another UFO you"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "saw."}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:55", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:58", "text": "while I was at uh I can't I got to be"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "very careful. Uh while I was at uh uh"}, {"start": "01:52:58", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "the the the"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "story I gave you earlier about being on"}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "call and getting a call, I did. Uh me"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "and my partner went out to a place"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:14", "text": "outside uh the Nellis Tess and Training"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "Range up near Warm Springs. Uh there had"}, {"start": "01:53:14", "end": "01:53:21", "text": "been a crash and um that's about all I"}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:24", "text": "can talk about it because there's a lot"}, {"start": "01:53:21", "end": "01:53:27", "text": "of other things that happened that uh"}, {"start": "01:53:24", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "could very well still be classified."}, {"start": "01:53:27", "end": "01:53:29", "text": ">> Were there beings involved?"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:31", "text": ">> You saw the beings?"}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:32", "text": ">> I didn't see the beings. No,"}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:35", "text": ">> you saw the"}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:36", "text": ">> beings were Well, let me say this. When"}, {"start": "01:53:35", "end": "01:53:37", "text": "I got there,"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:40", "text": ">> it was cleaned up."}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:42", "text": ">> It No, the bodies were covered."}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:44", "text": ">> Oh, I see. So, I didn't actually I can't"}, {"start": "01:53:42", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "say, you know, I say, \"Yeah, I saw the"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "bodies.\" Well, no, wait. They covered."}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "So, I'm not going to say that because I"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "didn't see the bodies. I don't know what"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "they they they looked probably five at"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:54", "text": "least five foot. I'm just looking at"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:55", "text": ">> Yeah. You assumed that those were alien"}, {"start": "01:53:54", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "bodies."}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:53:58", "text": ">> Yeah, I assumed they were alien bodies."}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:01", "text": "Yeah, they they were covered up. Uh the"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "other agent that came later that had"}, {"start": "01:54:01", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "access to everything in the world about"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "that, um he took over. I was just"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "remember I was a duty on call and I went"}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "out there initially."}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:15", "text": ">> I set up the counter intelligence ring"}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:19", "text": "as we called it."}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:24", "text": ">> Uh the the uh highway pat the state"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "trooper and the uh um"}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:29", "text": "NY County Sheriff's deputy that was on"}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "scene uh because"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:32", "text": ">> you had to debrief them. Yeah, I did all"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:35", "text": "that stuff."}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:37", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:40", "text": "the"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "they contracted a trucking company"}, {"start": "01:54:40", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "uh out of um"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "Hawthorne, Nevada"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "to come and put it on a flatbed."}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "The I guess we didn't have one. I"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:58", "text": "government didn't have and I had to make"}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "that arrangements with that trucking"}, {"start": "01:54:58", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "company. Um, and I had to make sure that"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "the driver,"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:10", "text": "this is funny, when I was making the"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "arrangements. Um, this is Hawthorne and"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "there's an army base there at Hawthorne"}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "in Nevada. It's a depot where they make"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "bombs. And so this trucking company"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "worked out there a lot."}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:21", "text": ">> They're used to classified scenarios"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:23", "text": ">> or or sensitive. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:21", "end": "01:55:26", "text": ">> Sensitive. Yeah. So, I said, \"I need a a"}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:30", "text": "driver that has had been in the military"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:33", "text": "uh and I can take orders.\" And the woman"}, {"start": "01:55:30", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "I was coordinating this with said,"}, {"start": "01:55:33", "end": "01:55:37", "text": "\"Why?\""}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "Because I just need it or we'll have to"}, {"start": "01:55:37", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "go to another trucking company. She"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "said, \"We we we take bombs all the time"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "out to Hawthorne.\" And and I said,"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "\"Listen, man. This is what I need.\" So,"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "I get this guy. He's the foreman of the"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "of a certain section of the trucking"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:58", "text": "company. He uh you know I I go there and"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:55:59", "text": "I sit him down. I said, \"You're gonna"}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "you're gonna pick something up and"}, {"start": "01:55:59", "end": "01:56:03", "text": "you're going to take it from here to"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "there?\" And he said, \"Okay.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:56:03", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "\"You you know, you you can't ask"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:09", "text": "question.\" My lips are sealed. I said,"}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "\"So"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "you agree to do this? You agree to sign"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:15", "text": "this?\" He said, \"I've done it before.\" I"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "said, \"You've done it before?\" He said,"}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "\"Yeah.\" you talking about the these"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:22", "text": "round things? And I said,"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:24", "text": "\"What? What do you mean round things?\""}, {"start": "01:56:22", "end": "01:56:26", "text": "He said, \"Well, before I took picked up"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:28", "text": "a round thing and took it out out to the"}, {"start": "01:56:26", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "base.\""}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:30", "text": ">> Okay, you're the guy."}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:33", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:35", "text": ">> You're the guy I want. And so he, you"}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "know, he went and did did the thing."}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:37", "text": "There was"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:40", "text": ">> You watch it happen."}, {"start": "01:56:37", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> No, no, no. The other agent that was in"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "charge of that. I did all this setup."}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:43", "text": "All"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:45", "text": ">> the paperwork stuff, all the setup. I"}, {"start": "01:56:43", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "did not I was not there during that"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "time."}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:49", "text": ">> That's what counter intelligence Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "does. They funnel all the information."}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "You create the classifications. You talk"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "to you debrief the people, give them"}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "cover stories, tell the agents what to"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "tell the press, like that type of thing,"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:03", "text": ">> Exactly. And the the craft itself,"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "that's the other guys."}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:06", "text": ">> Did you have conversations with those"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "guys?"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:08", "text": ">> I would have to coordinate. Yeah, it"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "would be coordination."}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:12", "text": ">> I mean, philosophical conversations."}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:16", "text": ">> did you guys speak about the origins?"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:18", "text": "Did you guys speak about, you know, what"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "you think it is like off record? Like,"}, {"start": "01:57:18", "end": "01:57:21", "text": ">> of course."}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:26", "text": ">> And And were they able to give you"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:29", "text": "information that you had never even"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:31", "text": "thought of or did they seem legitimately"}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:37", "text": "really wellversed in this topic? like"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "they like they had information that was"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:41", "text": "really pertinent to this like like"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "origin or reason or you know whom, why,"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:45", "text": "where, what like all these speculative"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "things that we talk about. Did you get"}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:47", "text": "access to some of that?"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:48", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:57:47", "end": "01:57:51", "text": ">> Through those conversations,"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:54", "text": ">> we would talk philosophically,"}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:55", "text": "but I didn't have a need to know."}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:56", "text": ">> Right. So, it was all"}, {"start": "01:57:55", "end": "01:57:58", "text": ">> that information. And I tell you what,"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:01", "text": "with the intelligence community, I don't"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "care if you're my best friend. Uh, you"}, {"start": "01:58:01", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "might be able to take a bullet for me."}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:08", "text": "You know, we wore guns, too. Remember?"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:09", "text": "Uh, but I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna"}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:10", "text": "tell you something."}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:12", "text": ">> Yeah. You're not gonna break your not"}, {"start": "01:58:10", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "going to do that. And that's the way it"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "was. Uh, we would talk philosophically."}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:19", "text": ">> You talk about aliens"}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:21", "text": ">> about Yeah. Like, you know, these guys I"}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "I bet you there are I bet there's a base"}, {"start": "01:58:21", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "on Mars or, you know, we or maybe maybe"}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "uh Venus isn't what it, you know, things"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "like that. We would talk about"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:32", "text": ">> where they come from. Maybe they're"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "coming from Mars, maybe they're coming"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:37", "text": "from uh Pluto, you know, things like"}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "that we would talk about, but they would"}, {"start": "01:58:37", "end": "01:58:43", "text": "never say, \"No, they they came from, you"}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:44", "text": "know, uh Epsilon uh already or some, you"}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "know, no, they would never say that.\""}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:50", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:52", "text": "man. Does that What does that feel like"}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:55", "text": "seeing something like that? Well, going"}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "all the way back to my briefing and not"}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "not believing any of it, uh, every"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:03", "text": "single"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "uh time I was exposed to an"}, {"start": "01:59:03", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "extraterrestrial craft or something to"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "do with an extraterrestrial being. Um,"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:14", "text": "it strengthened my belief that"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:17", "text": "everything that I was briefed on is is"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "fact."}, {"start": "01:59:17", "end": "01:59:22", "text": "But what did that feel like?"}, {"start": "01:59:19", "end": "01:59:24", "text": "scary in a way because"}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "[clears throat] one of the things uh"}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:28", "text": "that people don't like to talk about, I"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:32", "text": "don't like to talk about it in great"}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:35", "text": "details is I was brought up a Catholic."}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:39", "text": "Um I went to progill school. I was an"}, {"start": "01:59:35", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "older boy. Um I believed in God and you"}, {"start": "01:59:39", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "know did my prayers and and did my all"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "my uh you know confraternity and and"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:49", "text": "everything. and um"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:52", "text": "um I spent some time in a monastery"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:56", "text": "before I even went to high school. So I"}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:58", "text": "I had a strong religious belief. Now"}, {"start": "01:59:56", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "one of the questions that people always"}, {"start": "01:59:58", "end": "02:00:04", "text": "ask me and I ask myself is okay, God"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "created the universe, so I guess he"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:12", "text": "created the aliens, too. Did he?"}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:16", "text": "Um, some of the things we learned or"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "Linda How was written about EBA 1. Uh,"}, {"start": "02:00:16", "end": "02:00:24", "text": "he claims that they put a uh, Eban on a"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:26", "text": "humanoid on a planet 2,000 years ago."}, {"start": "02:00:24", "end": "02:00:29", "text": "Was that Jesus? You know, these"}, {"start": "02:00:26", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "questions I have always had. And when"}, {"start": "02:00:29", "end": "02:00:34", "text": "when I had the briefing, I have to, you"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:38", "text": "know, okay, wait a minute. Is this for"}, {"start": "02:00:34", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "real? Okay, it's for real."}, {"start": "02:00:38", "end": "02:00:42", "text": "it are these things made by God? This is"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:46", "text": "something I think about and other people"}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "have too. And if you connect the dots,"}, {"start": "02:00:46", "end": "02:00:51", "text": "could it affect the way other people"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "believe in their religion? And that's"}, {"start": "02:00:51", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "something I really don't like to get"}, {"start": "02:00:53", "end": "02:00:59", "text": "into. I mean, I I've settled myself, but"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "there were other people out there that"}, {"start": "02:00:59", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "uh you know, the the revelation that"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:07", "text": "this guy several years ago uh did on a"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "UFO convention that some of the"}, {"start": "02:01:07", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "extraterrestrial characters are similar"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:16", "text": "to Tibetan uh characters. What does that"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:18", "text": "mean? That they lived here on Earth or"}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:21", "text": "they they created the Tibetans or what?"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:27", "text": "you know this is all these questions uh"}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:31", "text": "that uh that people have to think about."}, {"start": "02:01:27", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "Yeah, it is uh it is pretty it does get"}, {"start": "02:01:31", "end": "02:01:35", "text": "pretty existential"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "when you start thinking about that and"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "thinking about uh"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:46", "text": "you know the uh what that means"}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:49", "text": "for us here, why we're here, why they"}, {"start": "02:01:46", "end": "02:01:51", "text": "want to be here with us or why their"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "presence is here. And I'm looking at the"}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "list as I speak to you here of like"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "these different these different names"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:02:03", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "I I have no idea what to make of this."}, {"start": "02:02:03", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "Like personally, I I don't know what to"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:09", "text": "make of any of this. What to make of"}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "because, you know, as you can probably"}, {"start": "02:02:09", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "assume, someone who's very wellversed in"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "counter intelligence. I'm a magician."}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "probably the most skeptical person out"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "there in terms of you know understanding"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "methodry in terms of um you know all all"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "the um all the methods on how to obtain"}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "information secretly or how to misdirect"}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "and all of this you know I'm given all"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "this everything you're telling me and"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "it's a melting pot of a thousand"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:46", "text": "different things"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:48", "text": "with all the years that you have, you"}, {"start": "02:02:46", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "know, built into this and all the"}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "information that you've gathered, all"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:51", "text": "the secret things that you've seen that"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "you can't talk about and the people"}, {"start": "02:02:51", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "you've spoken with and the projects"}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "you've worked on."}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:01", "text": "Is there"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "one overarching"}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:08", "text": "thing that neatly packages everything?"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:11", "text": "Allah um you know passport to Meonia"}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:13", "text": "Jacqu Valet control system or are we"}, {"start": "02:03:11", "end": "02:03:15", "text": "dealing with like a thousand separate"}, {"start": "02:03:13", "end": "02:03:16", "text": "things?"}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:19", "text": ">> Separate things."}, {"start": "02:03:16", "end": "02:03:23", "text": ">> You think so? I think the one"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "the one thing that convinced me"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:29", "text": "uh beyond anything else that I had"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "access to was listening to this Air"}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:35", "text": "Force sergeant uh female who was"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:37", "text": "abducted countless times. Went through"}, {"start": "02:03:35", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "literally torture by these"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "extraterrestrials having marks on her"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "hands. They took her fingernails off,"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:46", "text": "her toenails off. Uh she was bleeding"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "from her vaginal area almost every after"}, {"start": "02:03:46", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "every abductions. Uh bleeding from the"}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "eye. Um rupturion her eard drum once. Um"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "and then the a lot of things that we did"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "uh in a surveillance"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "uh capacity"}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "to confirm what she says. Uh that"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "convinced me that there are"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "they weren't humans doing this to her."}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "They were extraterrestrials. Now were"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "the extraterrestrials interdimensional?"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:27", "text": "I don't know. Uh you know, there's an"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "argument can be made, but there were"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:34", "text": "there were nonhumans doing this to her."}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "And I wish I could tell you how we know,"}, {"start": "02:04:34", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "but believe me, the government knows"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:39", "text": "that these were extraterrestrials that"}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "were doing this to her."}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:47", "text": ">> You surveiled it."}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:50", "text": ">> There was We actually did. We had a We"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "knew based on a lot of things that I"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "can't talk about, methods and sources I"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:58", "text": "can't ever talk about, but we knew when"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:05:02", "text": "they were going to do this to her. She"}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "lived in an apartment complex outside"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:06", "text": "Kirtland Air Force Base. She was"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "stationed at Kirtland and"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "she uh lived in a two-story real small"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:16", "text": "apartment and she her bedroom was"}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "upstairs and we knew uh that she would"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "be taken uh during a time period and we"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:27", "text": "set up a surveillance"}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "and that's about all I can say."}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:30", "text": "That's a fact. And she's a"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:34", "text": "whistleblower."}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:37", "text": "And she would be the number one person I"}, {"start": "02:05:34", "end": "02:05:39", "text": "would put in front of a camera if I was"}, {"start": "02:05:37", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "a member of Congress. She is a"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:45", "text": "legitimate whistleblower. She's she"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:48", "text": "retired from the military. She's a"}, {"start": "02:05:45", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "grandmother now. She she taught school"}, {"start": "02:05:48", "end": "02:05:55", "text": "for some some time. She lives around the"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:06:00", "text": "DC area. Uh I'm sorry. She lives around"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "the uh Baltimore area. Um but she has"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:07", "text": "been interviewed by uh many of the US"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "representatives and and and at least two"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "senators and some of their staff. So"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "she's legitimate."}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:21", "text": "Whoa."}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:24", "text": ">> Now the problem [laughter] is what"}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:27", "text": "happens when she tells her story. uh you"}, {"start": "02:06:24", "end": "02:06:31", "text": "know Steven Greer is a friend a nice"}, {"start": "02:06:27", "end": "02:06:35", "text": "person I've worked with him before but"}, {"start": "02:06:31", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "his his uh mentality regarding they"}, {"start": "02:06:35", "end": "02:06:41", "text": "can't be hostile they're all benevolent"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "is absolutely out out the window and"}, {"start": "02:06:41", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "I've told him this to his face I said"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "Stephen you're relying on faulty"}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "information you're being misinformed and"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "and I'm telling you from a listen to me"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "because I'm a counter intelligence"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:57", "text": "officer people within your circle is are"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "misinforming you because there are"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:02", "text": "hostile extraterrestrials out there and"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "that's the ones we have to worry about"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> and you've seen this firsthand."}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> I've saw this firsthand."}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:11", "text": ">> I have so many questions that you can't"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:13", "text": "answer."}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:15", "text": ">> Well, well,"}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:18", "text": "I've seen"}, {"start": "02:07:15", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "her sitting in front of me talking uh"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "about this, you know, as far as"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "firsthand. No, we I wasn't there when"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "she was doing, you know, how this stuff"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "was happening."}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:30", "text": ">> But you saw the surveillance images or"}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:33", "text": "sorry, the surveillance"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:35", "text": "um apparatus, whatever that was. Um"}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:38", "text": "whether they filmed it or whether they I"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:39", "text": "don't know, but you saw that."}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:41", "text": ">> I was involved with it. Yes."}, {"start": "02:07:39", "end": "02:07:44", "text": ">> You were involved with it with like"}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:45", "text": "setting up the surveillance."}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:49", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:51", "text": ">> And you had enough to go on."}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:53", "text": "First of all, how you knew that was"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "going to happen is a whole other"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "discussion that I'm sure you can't have."}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:07:57", "text": ">> No. And because I didn't know"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:07:59", "text": ">> what the protocol was,"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:07:59", "text": ">> the technical stuff,"}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:02", "text": ">> but they knew."}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:07", "text": ">> Yeah. We had Air Force, Intel, we had"}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "FBI, we had uh OSI, we had NSA,"}, {"start": "02:08:07", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "all part of this because"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "the in order to if you can imagine uh in"}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "order to understand"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "something that's alien to us, we have to"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "have the top technical people within the"}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "NSA and and these other uh agencies"}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "involved to create something, to build"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:36", "text": "something. Plus, there were contractors"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:39", "text": "involved in this, too."}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:42", "text": ">> So, this is a multi-pronged,"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:44", "text": "multifaceted, multi-ep departmented"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:47", "text": "sting operation"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "in order to capture this"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:54", "text": "on some type of media that you can then"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "review."}, {"start": "02:08:54", "end": "02:08:59", "text": "And it was successful."}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "It was yes that was successful. There"}, {"start": "02:08:59", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "were some that weren't but that was what"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "was successful."}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:09", "text": "Were obviously she was made aware and"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "she was part of this operation."}, {"start": "02:09:09", "end": "02:09:13", "text": ">> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:15", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "02:09:13", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "I mean did you get to interview her"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:19", "text": "after?"}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:21", "text": ">> Yeah. We thwarted the She didn't she"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "wasn't abducted that that that night."}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:26", "text": ">> You thwarted it?"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:30", "text": ">> Yeah. We prevented it based on all this"}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "stuff and we got her out and we got her"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:36", "text": "to a safe location because"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:39", "text": "there was always doubt"}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:41", "text": "not in my mind but"}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "other people's mind there was an FBI"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:47", "text": "agent working on this and he he didn't"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "believe words she said even after apolog"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "he he was just I don't believe any of"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:56", "text": "this stuff but after that night."}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:59", "text": "He sat in a I'm not exaggerating a bit."}, {"start": "02:09:56", "end": "02:10:01", "text": "He sat in a room when we had her at out"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "at the base. It wasn't OSI office. It"}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:04", "text": "was a very sec another secure facility"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "out at the base because we didn't know"}, {"start": "02:10:04", "end": "02:10:09", "text": "if this these things were coming after."}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "But we were in a protected area at the"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "at the base. It was a Sandy laboratories"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:18", "text": "area and FBI agent sat in a room uh"}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:20", "text": "crying"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:22", "text": "because he didn't he doubted her. He"}, {"start": "02:10:20", "end": "02:10:23", "text": "said, \"All these year, all this time,"}, {"start": "02:10:22", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "all these, you know, eight months or"}, {"start": "02:10:23", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "whatever it was, I doubted her and she's"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:29", "text": "telling the truth.\""}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:33", "text": ">> So, she felt bad."}, {"start": "02:10:29", "end": "02:10:35", "text": ">> I see. I believed her. He didn't. He was"}, {"start": "02:10:33", "end": "02:10:36", "text": "always He was always skeptical about"}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:37", "text": "everything. This is"}, {"start": "02:10:36", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> rightfully so. I think that"}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Right. Rightfully so. And"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:48", "text": "he had a lot of background. Um,"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:53", "text": "you know, he was a U"}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:56", "text": "Vietnam vet. Uh, he was in a special uh"}, {"start": "02:10:53", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "or the steadius operations group. Uh, I"}, {"start": "02:10:56", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "don't know if you know what that is in"}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "Vietnam. The guys worked behind the"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "lines, you know, they drop him off in"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:06", "text": "Laos and, you know, for 100 days or"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:08", "text": "whatever it was. I mean, he went through"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:14", "text": "a lot this guy and and he is a tough,"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "rugged FBI agent, but he had a, you"}, {"start": "02:11:14", "end": "02:11:19", "text": "know, he it changed him. It actually"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "changed because I worked with him after"}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:25", "text": "that on other cases, including the uh"}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "Paul Benowitz's case, and um he was a"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "different person as as I saw in other"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "people who worked that operation. Uh"}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "they they"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "I think a lot of them were scared."}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "I mean,"}, {"start": "02:11:45", "end": "02:11:53", "text": "if you see something that's literally"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "out of this world and your mind can't"}, {"start": "02:11:53", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "comprehend it because if you if you go"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "into something and you just like a"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "child, they they did the experiments"}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "with child putting them in a hostile"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:06", "text": "envir not a hostile environment, a"}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "strange envir. They can't comprehend,"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "you know, and and humans are same, you"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:14", "text": "know, we were the same way. We can't"}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:17", "text": "comprehend what we're seeing or how how"}, {"start": "02:12:14", "end": "02:12:19", "text": "we're going to rectify it when you"}, {"start": "02:12:17", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "you're you're given and regardless of"}, {"start": "02:12:19", "end": "02:12:24", "text": "the training because we went through a"}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:26", "text": "lot of training a really good training"}, {"start": "02:12:24", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "in the intelligence operations course. I"}, {"start": "02:12:26", "end": "02:12:29", "text": "mean, they would put you in a situation,"}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:31", "text": "not UFO situations or anything like"}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:34", "text": "that, but they would put you in"}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "situations where there's no no wind, but"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:38", "text": "they made you go all the way up to the"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "end and you you figure you're going to"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:43", "text": "die, you know, in in the exercise or"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "something, but they do this over and"}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "over and over and over again. Stress"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:51", "text": "inoculation. Yeah, exactly. I was just"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:53", "text": "going to say stress inoculation. So,"}, {"start": "02:12:51", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "when you're out doing the job in the"}, {"start": "02:12:53", "end": "02:12:57", "text": "real field, nothing's going to bother"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "you. nothing's going to scare you. But"}, {"start": "02:12:57", "end": "02:13:03", "text": "regardless, I mean, not much scares me."}, {"start": "02:13:00", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "Uh, but after that, seeing what I saw or"}, {"start": "02:13:03", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "listening to her tell her stories, you"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "know, I'm thinking, \"Wow, sure. I hope"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:14", "text": "that doesn't happen to my girlfriend or"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "then I wasn't married or my mother or my"}, {"start": "02:13:14", "end": "02:13:19", "text": "sister.\" I mean, why are they picking on"}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "her? and you know all these that you"}, {"start": "02:13:19", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "worried about yourself"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:27", "text": "and why why they pick her? That's the"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "the question that I I don't know the the"}, {"start": "02:13:27", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "answer to. I'm sure maybe the government"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:31", "text": "does."}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:32", "text": ">> Are they on here?"}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:34", "text": ">> Yeah, they're on there."}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:37", "text": ">> Which ones are they?"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:40", "text": ">> Uh the hepoids,"}, {"start": "02:13:37", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "the uh I'm sorry, let me show you the"}, {"start": "02:13:40", "end": "02:13:45", "text": "insect ones. Quatilloids."}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:47", "text": ">> The ones that look like insects. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:50", "text": ">> those were the ones that were"}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:54", "text": ">> but this is a complicated part of it."}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "They are able to manipulate your"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:57", "text": "observation of them. I mean"}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:13:59", "text": ">> sure"}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:02", "text": ">> they can manipulate mine."}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:05", "text": ">> Can they manipulate the camera?"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:09", "text": ">> I don't know. Never thought of that."}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:11", "text": ">> So was there something that you saw in"}, {"start": "02:14:09", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "that operation?"}, {"start": "02:14:11", "end": "02:14:14", "text": ">> I can't talk about Okay. what I saw."}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:18", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:21", "text": ">> but I can tell you they they're real."}, {"start": "02:14:18", "end": "02:14:23", "text": ">> Can I Um,"}, {"start": "02:14:21", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "okay. So, they're not the the"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "quadaloids, these ones."}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:28", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:29", "text": ">> the aliens, the insect humanoid types."}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:35", "text": ">> Um, it says they have a high IQ."}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "Why would something with a high IQ be so"}, {"start": "02:14:35", "end": "02:14:39", "text": "violent? That's trying to get inside an"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:40", "text": "alien mind, and we can't do that."}, {"start": "02:14:39", "end": "02:14:42", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:14:40", "end": "02:14:43", "text": ">> I'm going to show you something. You can"}, {"start": "02:14:42", "end": "02:14:45", "text": "have this. This is yours."}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:50", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:50", "text": "I'm going to show you something. Um,"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:55", "text": "okay."}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:00", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "02:14:59", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "Does that look like something you've"}, {"start": "02:15:00", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "seen before?"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:07", "text": ">> I can't say."}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:07", "text": ">> I think you just did."}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:12", "text": "Was that"}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:13", "text": ">> in pictures in in a document? Not not"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:15", "text": "not in real life."}, {"start": "02:15:13", "end": "02:15:18", "text": ">> Is that the same thing that was involved"}, {"start": "02:15:15", "end": "02:15:20", "text": "here or is that different?"}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> I better not say."}, {"start": "02:15:20", "end": "02:15:23", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:24", "text": ">> No, I'm not going to say."}, {"start": "02:15:23", "end": "02:15:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:30", "text": ">> Is that going to be on your air?"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:30", "text": ">> Uh, that hasn't been made public."}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:31", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:35", "text": ">> You're going to make it public?"}, {"start": "02:15:32", "end": "02:15:36", "text": ">> Um, not anytime soon."}, {"start": "02:15:35", "end": "02:15:39", "text": ">> Okay. No, I better not say that."}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so if I didn't make it"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:43", "text": "public, you could confirm or deny"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:46", "text": ">> probably. Okay. Well,"}, {"start": "02:15:43", "end": "02:15:47", "text": ">> maybe one day."}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:49", "text": ">> Um, that's Should we take a break?"}, {"start": "02:15:47", "end": "02:15:50", "text": ">> Let's take a break. All right. That's a"}, {"start": "02:15:49", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "good time for a break."}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:55", "text": ">> Okay. I mean, we're to transition from"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:58", "text": "something like that. It's just so"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:16:02", "text": "jarring to hear that to I've never once"}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "heard of an abduction being thwarted. I"}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:08", "text": "think that's a new one for me. You know,"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:10", "text": "I've um we we hear about abductions."}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:12", "text": "We hear about people trying to film them"}, {"start": "02:16:10", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "unsuccessfully. Something always goes"}, {"start": "02:16:12", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "wrong. Murphy's Law, some type of, you"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "know, whether that's people at"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "Skinwalker Ranch filming stuff and"}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "things going haywire. And um but never"}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:28", "text": "had it occurred to me that you know"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:31", "text": "other than the instances of people"}, {"start": "02:16:28", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "saying you know uh sort of the Lord's"}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:34", "text": "name or something like you hear about"}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "stories like that and that sort of fends"}, {"start": "02:16:34", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "them off. Is that is there any merit to"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:44", "text": ">> Well there there [clears throat] was"}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:50", "text": "part of that she she was religious um"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:53", "text": "and she she wore uh St. Christopher's"}, {"start": "02:16:50", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "cross and but that didn't that didn't"}, {"start": "02:16:53", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "stop anything."}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:59", "text": ">> They they didn't seem to"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:17:03", "text": ">> and there's a lot more. She she h she"}, {"start": "02:16:59", "end": "02:17:05", "text": "would argue uh with them. Uh this is in"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "the beginning. Okay. We're going back"}, {"start": "02:17:05", "end": "02:17:07", "text": "months and months and months."}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:11", "text": ">> Uh when she first came to us,"}, {"start": "02:17:09", "end": "02:17:13", "text": ">> which"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:15", "text": "we didn't believe her, I tell you the"}, {"start": "02:17:13", "end": "02:17:16", "text": "truth, we didn't believe her. Um she"}, {"start": "02:17:15", "end": "02:17:21", "text": "would tell us that she would have"}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "arguments with him uh because of God"}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "and um and they kept asking her who who"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:33", "text": "is God who is God who is this human God"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "and you know she couldn't explain"}, {"start": "02:17:33", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "uh so um"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "but she would pray"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "and afterwards she would say why are"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:49", "text": "they doing this to me and again the"}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "government the air force um and"}, {"start": "02:17:49", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "[clears throat] let's let's say this the"}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "abduction started and she wasn't she"}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:18:01", "text": "didn't come to us right away she was"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:03", "text": "going to uh the base uh hospital or the"}, {"start": "02:18:01", "end": "02:18:05", "text": "the sick call"}, {"start": "02:18:03", "end": "02:18:07", "text": ">> and she didn't know what it was she"}, {"start": "02:18:05", "end": "02:18:09", "text": "thought she was having dreams or you"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:11", "text": "know what whatever it was but she was"}, {"start": "02:18:09", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "having you know fingernails were taken"}, {"start": "02:18:11", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "out well they thought they she was doing"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:18", "text": "it to herself, you know, self"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:22", "text": "mutilation."}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:26", "text": "Um, she was in a a very sensitive uh uh"}, {"start": "02:18:22", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "career field. Uh, and so they were"}, {"start": "02:18:26", "end": "02:18:33", "text": "careful. She had PRP, so they were very"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:34", "text": "careful of that of what she claims"}, {"start": "02:18:33", "end": "02:18:38", "text": "happening to her."}, {"start": "02:18:34", "end": "02:18:40", "text": "So they took her off the job and put her"}, {"start": "02:18:38", "end": "02:18:44", "text": "in another in like an administrative"}, {"start": "02:18:40", "end": "02:18:46", "text": "office uh within her squadron and that"}, {"start": "02:18:44", "end": "02:18:49", "text": "upset her because you know she liked the"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:52", "text": "job she was doing but these things were"}, {"start": "02:18:49", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "getting worse and worse. Finally, this"}, {"start": "02:18:52", "end": "02:18:58", "text": "doctor"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "based uh physician who was an internist"}, {"start": "02:18:58", "end": "02:19:05", "text": "who had been co-opted by us because of"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:07", "text": "other things um saw her and he"}, {"start": "02:19:05", "end": "02:19:10", "text": "immediately called us and that's how she"}, {"start": "02:19:07", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "became involved with the"}, {"start": "02:19:10", "end": "02:19:17", "text": "he said you need to interview this woman"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:21", "text": "this girl this sergeant. Um I said okay."}, {"start": "02:19:17", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "So uh me and this uh female agent"}, {"start": "02:19:21", "end": "02:19:26", "text": "interviewed her and u she never"}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:28", "text": "mentioned aliens or anything like that."}, {"start": "02:19:26", "end": "02:19:31", "text": "Okay, nothing like that. She's saying"}, {"start": "02:19:28", "end": "02:19:34", "text": "this phenomena is occurring to her where"}, {"start": "02:19:31", "end": "02:19:37", "text": "somebody is taking her and doing all"}, {"start": "02:19:34", "end": "02:19:39", "text": "these things to her. Now at that at that"}, {"start": "02:19:37", "end": "02:19:41", "text": "time she was living on the base. She"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:44", "text": "hadn't moved off the base yet. She's"}, {"start": "02:19:41", "end": "02:19:46", "text": "still living on the base. And I thought,"}, {"start": "02:19:44", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "well, you know, she lived in an all"}, {"start": "02:19:46", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "female back then. They weren't co-ed."}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "She she lived in a female dorm. That was"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "the only females in there. And there"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:58", "text": "security, you know, keeping the men out,"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:19:58", "text": "so to speak. It was like a house mother."}, {"start": "02:19:58", "end": "02:20:02", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:19:58", "end": "02:20:03", "text": ">> sure. Um I said, \"Well, who's getting in"}, {"start": "02:20:02", "end": "02:20:05", "text": "your room? How how would they get in"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "your room?\" \"I don't know.\" She says,"}, {"start": "02:20:05", "end": "02:20:09", "text": "\"You know, we just couldn't understand."}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:12", "text": "And why were they doing this to you?\" At"}, {"start": "02:20:09", "end": "02:20:13", "text": "at that point it was the fingernails and"}, {"start": "02:20:12", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "the toenails"}, {"start": "02:20:13", "end": "02:20:15", "text": ">> that were removed"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:16", "text": ">> being removed."}, {"start": "02:20:15", "end": "02:20:18", "text": ">> All of them or just"}, {"start": "02:20:16", "end": "02:20:20", "text": ">> No, no, no. Just one or they would cut"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:22", "text": "them"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:25", "text": "and they would take one off and they"}, {"start": "02:20:22", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "they scrape the under under uh the the"}, {"start": "02:20:25", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "skin after the nail has been removed."}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:32", "text": "And so we, you know, we checked with the"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "bay. Why? Why would anybody be? Maybe"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "somebody had a fetish. Uh there were"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:38", "text": "perverts,"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:42", "text": ">> deviant behavior."}, {"start": "02:20:38", "end": "02:20:44", "text": ">> Deviant behavior. Some guy liked uh"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "toenails. And what what you know and and"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:49", "text": "we had all sorts of I mean we had our"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:51", "text": "own sex on the OSI remember had a"}, {"start": "02:20:49", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "investigative side, a criminal"}, {"start": "02:20:51", "end": "02:20:55", "text": "investigation side. These guys"}, {"start": "02:20:53", "end": "02:20:58", "text": "investigated rapes. We you know get"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "those experts in. I have no idea. I"}, {"start": "02:20:58", "end": "02:21:02", "text": "never heard of that. You know, you know,"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "guys have, you know, people have"}, {"start": "02:21:02", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "fetishes and and perversions, but"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:08", "text": "nothing about moving nails or anything"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:13", "text": "like that. So, we couldn't figure it"}, {"start": "02:21:08", "end": "02:21:15", "text": "out, you know, and so then it would go,"}, {"start": "02:21:13", "end": "02:21:18", "text": "you know, four or five months and"}, {"start": "02:21:15", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "nothing and then it would happen again."}, {"start": "02:21:18", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "And like I said, initially was just"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:28", "text": "fingernails. Uh she did have her at one"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:31", "text": "point her eard drum punctured"}, {"start": "02:21:28", "end": "02:21:34", "text": "her her right eard drum and then uh then"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:37", "text": "it started getting worse. Then she went"}, {"start": "02:21:34", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "in one night to the emergency room the"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "base hospital emergency room. She's"}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:46", "text": "bleeding from the vaginal area."}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "Uh, she had holes"}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "poked between her on her left foot,"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:57", "text": "between her big toe and her first toe,"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:21:59", "text": "like somebody put a rod in there, but it"}, {"start": "02:21:57", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "wasn't bleeding."}, {"start": "02:21:59", "end": "02:22:05", "text": "So, you know, the guy in the emergency"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:07", "text": "room, of course, he's just a regular"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:09", "text": "doctor. He couldn't figure it out. He"}, {"start": "02:22:07", "end": "02:22:12", "text": "calls OSI, the criminal people, because"}, {"start": "02:22:09", "end": "02:22:13", "text": "he said she'd been raped. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:12", "end": "02:22:16", "text": ">> So they went through the whole rape"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:20", "text": "protocol and call in a gynecologist and"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:23", "text": ">> the gynecologist said"}, {"start": "02:22:20", "end": "02:22:26", "text": "no, she didn't have sex. Somebody"}, {"start": "02:22:23", "end": "02:22:28", "text": "inserted something into her vaginary."}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:31", "text": "So at that time they admitted her"}, {"start": "02:22:28", "end": "02:22:33", "text": "because they were thoroughly convinced"}, {"start": "02:22:31", "end": "02:22:35", "text": "she was doing this to herself. Self"}, {"start": "02:22:33", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "mutilation."}, {"start": "02:22:35", "end": "02:22:41", "text": "So she was in a hospital for I don't"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:43", "text": "know how long. And we interviewed her,"}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:45", "text": "I think twice, maybe three times while"}, {"start": "02:22:43", "end": "02:22:46", "text": "she was in the hospital. And she was so"}, {"start": "02:22:45", "end": "02:22:48", "text": "upset because she said, \"I'm not doing"}, {"start": "02:22:46", "end": "02:22:50", "text": "it to myself. I'm not doing it to"}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:54", "text": "myself.\" So then she they sent her down"}, {"start": "02:22:50", "end": "02:22:56", "text": "to um"}, {"start": "02:22:54", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "uh Shephard Air Force Base in Witchaw"}, {"start": "02:22:56", "end": "02:23:01", "text": "Falls. That's the Air Force Psychiatric"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "Hospital down there. So they sent her"}, {"start": "02:23:01", "end": "02:23:07", "text": "down there to be thoroughly evaluated"}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:08", "text": "because they're saying she's nuts. So, I"}, {"start": "02:23:07", "end": "02:23:12", "text": "don't know how I don't remember how long"}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:13", "text": "she was down there, but a while. I you"}, {"start": "02:23:12", "end": "02:23:16", "text": "know, a couple months or something."}, {"start": "02:23:13", "end": "02:23:17", "text": "Anyway, she comes back because the"}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:20", "text": "psychiatrist says there's nothing wrong"}, {"start": "02:23:17", "end": "02:23:23", "text": "with her. She's not do that. In fact, I"}, {"start": "02:23:20", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "read the psych psychiatric report from"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:32", "text": "this uh psychiatrist. In fact, we had"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:34", "text": "OSI at uh uh Shepard Air Force Base go"}, {"start": "02:23:32", "end": "02:23:36", "text": "talk to this psych psychiatrist who"}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "wrote this example. make sure that he"}, {"start": "02:23:36", "end": "02:23:41", "text": "was like"}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:43", "text": ">> it was a sound she or she and she said"}, {"start": "02:23:41", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "she's not doing it to herself. It's not"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:47", "text": "self mutilation."}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:51", "text": "Some outside entity is doing this. This"}, {"start": "02:23:47", "end": "02:23:54", "text": "is in in her report. And so we get it"}, {"start": "02:23:51", "end": "02:23:56", "text": "back and and I thought, wow. Well, then"}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:23:57", "text": "we thinking, well, she has a boyfriend"}, {"start": "02:23:56", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "that she doesn't and they're"}, {"start": "02:23:57", "end": "02:24:03", "text": "experimenting doing, you know,"}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:09", "text": ">> goofy things each other, you know. Um"}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "because in some uh relationships uh uh"}, {"start": "02:24:09", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "gay or even even heterero uh insertion"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:18", "text": "of something into the cavities it can be"}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:20", "text": "you know a game or something. So we kind"}, {"start": "02:24:18", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "of thought that and we we brought her in"}, {"start": "02:24:20", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "for an interview and we and she admitted"}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:27", "text": "having a boyfriend having sex. She"}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:32", "text": "wasn't a virgin or anything like that,"}, {"start": "02:24:27", "end": "02:24:34", "text": "but her boyfriend uh belonged to this uh"}, {"start": "02:24:32", "end": "02:24:37", "text": "uh squadron. Um I can't remember the"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:39", "text": "name of the that left"}, {"start": "02:24:37", "end": "02:24:41", "text": "went TDY or temporary duty all the time."}, {"start": "02:24:39", "end": "02:24:43", "text": "I mean, he he'd come back for a while"}, {"start": "02:24:41", "end": "02:24:44", "text": "and he'd go I think he installed"}, {"start": "02:24:43", "end": "02:24:48", "text": "equipment or something like that."}, {"start": "02:24:44", "end": "02:24:50", "text": "Anyways, so then we interviewed him. He"}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:53", "text": "didn't do anything like that. We made"}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:57", "text": "him do a polygraph. I mean, no, he never"}, {"start": "02:24:53", "end": "02:24:59", "text": "hurt her. He never harmed her. Um but he"}, {"start": "02:24:57", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "said"}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:06", "text": "he said at night, you know, she he would"}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "spend a night with her and um you know,"}, {"start": "02:25:06", "end": "02:25:11", "text": "after sex or something and then he go to"}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:13", "text": "sleep, but she'd she'd talk in her sleep"}, {"start": "02:25:11", "end": "02:25:16", "text": "or she'd scream in her sleep"}, {"start": "02:25:13", "end": "02:25:19", "text": "or she'd wake up"}, {"start": "02:25:16", "end": "02:25:22", "text": "uh and and yell and scream. many times"}, {"start": "02:25:19", "end": "02:25:24", "text": "he said this happened and he thought"}, {"start": "02:25:22", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "well somebody's in here or somebody's"}, {"start": "02:25:24", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "now he was going to her dorm room and"}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "you not supposed to happen you know so"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:32", "text": "he thought that maybe somebody was"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:33", "text": "trying to catch him doing something and"}, {"start": "02:25:32", "end": "02:25:35", "text": "that's one reason why they move she"}, {"start": "02:25:33", "end": "02:25:38", "text": "moved off base but well she made"}, {"start": "02:25:35", "end": "02:25:41", "text": "sergeant moved off base so these all"}, {"start": "02:25:38", "end": "02:25:46", "text": "things all these factors are building up"}, {"start": "02:25:41", "end": "02:25:48", "text": "and building up so um we we had we're at"}, {"start": "02:25:46", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "the point we don't really know what to"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:52", "text": "do when so finally we asked her to take"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:56", "text": "a polygraph"}, {"start": "02:25:52", "end": "02:25:59", "text": "and she took a polygraph she passed it"}, {"start": "02:25:56", "end": "02:26:02", "text": "and then we had to take now this is"}, {"start": "02:25:59", "end": "02:26:05", "text": "something I can't go in a great deal to"}, {"start": "02:26:02", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "deal with but we have this uh"}, {"start": "02:26:05", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "intelligence service has this hypnotic"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:13", "text": "polygraph system that very very rarely"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "is used where you put somebody on your"}, {"start": "02:26:13", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "hypnosis and you polygraph them. Okay."}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:21", "text": "And it the technique I can't go into."}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "I'm not a polygraph examiner, but"}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:26", "text": "there's certain people that have to do"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:28", "text": "this. I mean, the just can't be a"}, {"start": "02:26:26", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "regular polygraph examiner. And most of"}, {"start": "02:26:28", "end": "02:26:34", "text": "ours were psychologists. Okay. Anyways,"}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:35", "text": "she went through that and and passed"}, {"start": "02:26:34", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "because"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "according to them, not me, but according"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:42", "text": "to them, when you're in hypnosis, you"}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:44", "text": "can't lie."}, {"start": "02:26:42", "end": "02:26:46", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "02:26:44", "end": "02:26:48", "text": "that you you can't"}, {"start": "02:26:46", "end": "02:26:49", "text": "You can't uh cheat a polygraph."}, {"start": "02:26:48", "end": "02:26:50", "text": ">> You can't cheat a polygraph. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:49", "end": "02:26:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:50", "end": "02:26:56", "text": ">> So that sent the flag up and in and"}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:27:00", "text": "headquarters and everybody in DIA and"}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:02", "text": "that's when the full wrath"}, {"start": "02:27:00", "end": "02:27:05", "text": "of the government came in on her side."}, {"start": "02:27:02", "end": "02:27:06", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "02:27:05", "end": "02:27:09", "text": "And then that's where the sting"}, {"start": "02:27:06", "end": "02:27:12", "text": "operation began to get set up. Did they"}, {"start": "02:27:09", "end": "02:27:14", "text": "already have a protocol in place that"}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "they were going to act on?"}, {"start": "02:27:14", "end": "02:27:17", "text": ">> Yeah. So they already had something that"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:18", "text": "was like kind of field tested."}, {"start": "02:27:17", "end": "02:27:20", "text": ">> Yeah. But I don't know anything about"}, {"start": "02:27:18", "end": "02:27:20", "text": "that. I was never involved in any of"}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:22", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:23", "text": ">> Sure. But they came in. All right."}, {"start": "02:27:22", "end": "02:27:25", "text": "Here's what we're going to do. We're"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:29", "text": "going to set this up and do this this"}, {"start": "02:27:25", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "way. Briefed her on that and then"}, {"start": "02:27:29", "end": "02:27:33", "text": "and then it [clears throat] happened."}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:35", "text": ">> Well, let me go back a little bit."}, {"start": "02:27:33", "end": "02:27:37", "text": ">> Uh, one of the things they wanted when"}, {"start": "02:27:35", "end": "02:27:40", "text": "she she moved to off base apartment. It"}, {"start": "02:27:37", "end": "02:27:42", "text": "was just outside the base that that that"}, {"start": "02:27:40", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "a quarter mile out out the basin"}, {"start": "02:27:42", "end": "02:27:49", "text": "apartment complex."}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:51", "text": "uh they wanted us to place um"}, {"start": "02:27:49", "end": "02:27:53", "text": "covert"}, {"start": "02:27:51", "end": "02:27:56", "text": "uh devices in in the place. Now we don't"}, {"start": "02:27:53", "end": "02:27:57", "text": "do that. We have a technical service"}, {"start": "02:27:56", "end": "02:27:58", "text": "people that do that. There's ways"}, {"start": "02:27:57", "end": "02:28:00", "text": ">> without her knowing."}, {"start": "02:27:58", "end": "02:28:02", "text": ">> Without her knowing."}, {"start": "02:28:00", "end": "02:28:03", "text": ">> Do you think if she knew it wouldn't"}, {"start": "02:28:02", "end": "02:28:05", "text": "work?"}, {"start": "02:28:03", "end": "02:28:07", "text": ">> Well, they they do. They did. They think"}, {"start": "02:28:05", "end": "02:28:09", "text": "that's the way they think"}, {"start": "02:28:07", "end": "02:28:12", "text": ">> that that like if she knew they knew."}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:15", "text": ">> Yeah. But it's it's it's a divi it's a"}, {"start": "02:28:12", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "device that we can't ever use this in"}, {"start": "02:28:15", "end": "02:28:20", "text": "court. We can't use it against her in"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:21", "text": "any kind of administrative. It's"}, {"start": "02:28:20", "end": "02:28:24", "text": "something that we're going to collect"}, {"start": "02:28:21", "end": "02:28:27", "text": "and keep and never tell her. Okay? Now,"}, {"start": "02:28:24", "end": "02:28:29", "text": "we do that a lot in a lot of cases in"}, {"start": "02:28:27", "end": "02:28:31", "text": "FISA warrants. If they're noncriminal"}, {"start": "02:28:29", "end": "02:28:33", "text": "FISA warrants, if I get a FISA warrant"}, {"start": "02:28:31", "end": "02:28:35", "text": "for your house, I'll place bugs in"}, {"start": "02:28:33", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "there, but it's only for counter"}, {"start": "02:28:35", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "intelligence collection. I'll I'll go"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:38", "text": "and get"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:40", "text": ">> Could never be used"}, {"start": "02:28:38", "end": "02:28:43", "text": ">> never being used in court. We go to a"}, {"start": "02:28:40", "end": "02:28:46", "text": "federal court and get a criminal warrant"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:47", "text": "then that can be used against you."}, {"start": "02:28:46", "end": "02:28:49", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. Wire taps and"}, {"start": "02:28:47", "end": "02:28:54", "text": ">> wire taps and stuff. Yeah. Title threes,"}, {"start": "02:28:49", "end": "02:28:56", "text": "fours or fives. Anyways, so we we did"}, {"start": "02:28:54", "end": "02:28:58", "text": "that. We did what headquarters wanted us"}, {"start": "02:28:56", "end": "02:29:00", "text": "to do or OSI technicals."}, {"start": "02:28:58", "end": "02:29:04", "text": ">> And this is uh video and audio"}, {"start": "02:29:00", "end": "02:29:08", "text": "recording. Uh, no it's just uh I think"}, {"start": "02:29:04", "end": "02:29:11", "text": "it's uh just audio first. I think it was"}, {"start": "02:29:08", "end": "02:29:14", "text": "just audio. I don't video came later but"}, {"start": "02:29:11", "end": "02:29:16", "text": "I think it was just audio initially and"}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:19", "text": "I think they they put in uh something"}, {"start": "02:29:16", "end": "02:29:23", "text": "else later but anyways the audio uh"}, {"start": "02:29:19", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "recorded everything uh and and well I"}, {"start": "02:29:23", "end": "02:29:26", "text": "can't go into details"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:29", "text": ">> but you can hear the beings."}, {"start": "02:29:26", "end": "02:29:31", "text": ">> You can hear voices. You can hear voices"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "more than"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:34", "text": ">> more than one."}, {"start": "02:29:32", "end": "02:29:34", "text": ">> Male, female,"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:35", "text": ">> um,"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:37", "text": ">> indistinguishable."}, {"start": "02:29:35", "end": "02:29:40", "text": ">> Undistinguishable. I don't I you know, I"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:41", "text": "only heard a small portion, maybe 10."}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:42", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. What was that like hearing"}, {"start": "02:29:41", "end": "02:29:43", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:44", "text": ">> Well, it"}, {"start": "02:29:43", "end": "02:29:46", "text": ">> is that frightening."}, {"start": "02:29:44", "end": "02:29:48", "text": ">> Yeah, because it was echoing. It was"}, {"start": "02:29:46", "end": "02:29:50", "text": "like It was like somebody was talking"}, {"start": "02:29:48", "end": "02:29:52", "text": "through one of those uh you know those"}, {"start": "02:29:50", "end": "02:29:54", "text": "uh cheerleader."}, {"start": "02:29:52", "end": "02:29:57", "text": ">> No, just a cheerleader uh"}, {"start": "02:29:54", "end": "02:29:59", "text": ">> you know cone. the phone, the old time"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:01", "text": "cheerleader, not not the electric ones,"}, {"start": "02:29:59", "end": "02:30:04", "text": ">> like a tin cany sort of voice."}, {"start": "02:30:01", "end": "02:30:07", "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah, that's a good good point."}, {"start": "02:30:04", "end": "02:30:09", "text": "And um and then of course they analyzed"}, {"start": "02:30:07", "end": "02:30:11", "text": "all that the the pe the tech people. I"}, {"start": "02:30:09", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "didn't do any of that. And then later"}, {"start": "02:30:11", "end": "02:30:16", "text": "they put put the the the camera in, but"}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:19", "text": "it verified everything everything she"}, {"start": "02:30:16", "end": "02:30:21", "text": "was telling us is there."}, {"start": "02:30:19", "end": "02:30:23", "text": ">> And that's why"}, {"start": "02:30:21", "end": "02:30:25", "text": "there's a lot of other steps that were"}, {"start": "02:30:23", "end": "02:30:27", "text": "taken. A lot of other people came in, a"}, {"start": "02:30:25", "end": "02:30:28", "text": "lot of other equipment was used and you"}, {"start": "02:30:27", "end": "02:30:29", "text": "know sources and methods and I'm not"}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:32", "text": "going to go into"}, {"start": "02:30:29", "end": "02:30:35", "text": ">> how clear was that footage."}, {"start": "02:30:32", "end": "02:30:37", "text": ">> Um I never saw video. I saw only the"}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:37", "text": "audio. I heard the audio. I didn't see"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "the video."}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:44", "text": ">> But the audio was very convincing to me."}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:48", "text": ">> There was more. The thing about it is"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:50", "text": "it was like she was in a room"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:54", "text": "full of people with these talking"}, {"start": "02:30:50", "end": "02:30:56", "text": "through cones. It wasn't just one voice."}, {"start": "02:30:54", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "And I I thought, well, at first,"}, {"start": "02:30:56", "end": "02:31:00", "text": ">> they're speaking English."}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:02", "text": ">> English. Yeah. Speaking"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:06", "text": ">> broken English. How clear was it?"}, {"start": "02:31:02", "end": "02:31:07", "text": ">> As clear English as you and I speak or"}, {"start": "02:31:06", "end": "02:31:12", "text": "you speak, maybe I don't Whoa."}, {"start": "02:31:07", "end": "02:31:15", "text": ">> No, it's it's it was English. And well,"}, {"start": "02:31:12", "end": "02:31:18", "text": "let me go back."}, {"start": "02:31:15", "end": "02:31:21", "text": "We what we uh after we put the bug in"}, {"start": "02:31:18", "end": "02:31:24", "text": "and we heard this, they wanted us to go"}, {"start": "02:31:21", "end": "02:31:26", "text": "in and do a surreptitious search for any"}, {"start": "02:31:24", "end": "02:31:29", "text": "recording devices. Okay, so they hear"}, {"start": "02:31:26", "end": "02:31:31", "text": "the voices. Okay, she's making them up."}, {"start": "02:31:29", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "She has a tape recorder or something,"}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:38", "text": "you know, something. Okay, so we did"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:41", "text": "well, not me, but OSI did. You know, our"}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:43", "text": "experts went in and they can go in and"}, {"start": "02:31:41", "end": "02:31:44", "text": "put everything back. If this was like"}, {"start": "02:31:43", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "this, they'll put it back. you know,"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:47", "text": "they'll take pictures of everything. And"}, {"start": "02:31:46", "end": "02:31:50", "text": "they went in and they didn't find it."}, {"start": "02:31:47", "end": "02:31:53", "text": "They She had a uh a real toreal, one of"}, {"start": "02:31:50", "end": "02:31:57", "text": "these old Sony Realtore tape recorders."}, {"start": "02:31:53", "end": "02:31:58", "text": "Yeah. Like that. And And that's it. She"}, {"start": "02:31:57", "end": "02:32:02", "text": "And she had a radio, you know, regular"}, {"start": "02:31:58", "end": "02:32:05", "text": "uh radio uh AMFM radio, but she didn't"}, {"start": "02:32:02", "end": "02:32:09", "text": "have anything else in there. But this,"}, {"start": "02:32:05", "end": "02:32:11", "text": "they took the tapes and listened. It was"}, {"start": "02:32:09", "end": "02:32:12", "text": "recording. It wasn't projecting"}, {"start": "02:32:11", "end": "02:32:14", "text": "anything. She didn't have anything to"}, {"start": "02:32:12", "end": "02:32:15", "text": "project the the audio, you know, you"}, {"start": "02:32:14", "end": "02:32:17", "text": "know the"}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:19", "text": ">> she was trying to record herself."}, {"start": "02:32:17", "end": "02:32:22", "text": ">> Yeah. No, she wasn't doing anything."}, {"start": "02:32:19", "end": "02:32:24", "text": ">> She wasn't using that at all."}, {"start": "02:32:22", "end": "02:32:27", "text": ">> So, they you know, we sent that up to"}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:29", "text": "headquarters. They saying h you know,"}, {"start": "02:32:27", "end": "02:32:31", "text": "these voices are English. You know, they"}, {"start": "02:32:29", "end": "02:32:33", "text": "everybody's thinking alien English"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "human. Uh why is she why are they"}, {"start": "02:32:33", "end": "02:32:36", "text": "talking English to her? You know, why"}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:38", "text": "are they doing it through her mind? and"}, {"start": "02:32:36", "end": "02:32:40", "text": "all these things, questions that people"}, {"start": "02:32:38", "end": "02:32:42", "text": "that I would be asking too."}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:45", "text": ">> And because when I first heard that"}, {"start": "02:32:42", "end": "02:32:47", "text": "small portion of I thought"}, {"start": "02:32:45", "end": "02:32:48", "text": ">> she said an orgy. That's what it kind of"}, {"start": "02:32:47", "end": "02:32:49", "text": "sound like."}, {"start": "02:32:48", "end": "02:32:50", "text": ">> What did they say?"}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:53", "text": ">> They were telling her things, telling"}, {"start": "02:32:50", "end": "02:32:55", "text": "her to do things like lift your arm,"}, {"start": "02:32:53", "end": "02:32:56", "text": "spread your legs,"}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:32:59", "text": ">> things like that. Oh my gosh. Lift your"}, {"start": "02:32:56", "end": "02:33:01", "text": "arm. Oh, they I forgot they they did"}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:03", "text": "things in her armpits, too. Uh I forgot"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:04", "text": "that I they did that"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:07", "text": ">> they were doing this in her room."}, {"start": "02:33:04", "end": "02:33:10", "text": ">> In her room? Oh, no. They well yeah"}, {"start": "02:33:07", "end": "02:33:13", "text": "initially in a room. Now"}, {"start": "02:33:10", "end": "02:33:15", "text": "here's I can't go into a lot of details"}, {"start": "02:33:13", "end": "02:33:18", "text": "but"}, {"start": "02:33:15", "end": "02:33:22", "text": "this is before"}, {"start": "02:33:18", "end": "02:33:25", "text": "she was taken someplace. Okay. So she"}, {"start": "02:33:22", "end": "02:33:28", "text": "everything up to that point was done"}, {"start": "02:33:25", "end": "02:33:30", "text": "there either in her room on the base or"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:33", "text": "dorm room in her bedroom on the base or"}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:35", "text": "the apartment upstairs in the bedroom."}, {"start": "02:33:33", "end": "02:33:38", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:33:35", "end": "02:33:42", "text": "after we did what we did, after we, you"}, {"start": "02:33:38", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "know, interviewed her, uh, because we we"}, {"start": "02:33:42", "end": "02:33:45", "text": "eventually said, \"Listen, listen to this"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:46", "text": "tape.\""}, {"start": "02:33:45", "end": "02:33:48", "text": ">> Oh, we've recorded you."}, {"start": "02:33:46", "end": "02:33:50", "text": ">> We recorded you. And I said, well, first"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:52", "text": "of all, we said, \"Listen, we're"}, {"start": "02:33:50", "end": "02:33:54", "text": "investigating this and we did something"}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:58", "text": "and we want to tell you about it.\" Well,"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:34:00", "text": "she kind of figured out something. She's"}, {"start": "02:33:58", "end": "02:34:02", "text": "smart and and I said, \"Listen to this.\""}, {"start": "02:34:00", "end": "02:34:06", "text": "And she listened. She said, \"Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "02:34:02", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "That was them. I said,"}, {"start": "02:34:06", "end": "02:34:12", "text": "and and dumb me, dumb dumb dumb uh uh"}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:14", "text": "person like me. Well, not dumb, but why"}, {"start": "02:34:12", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "are they speaking in English? I asked"}, {"start": "02:34:14", "end": "02:34:19", "text": "her. She says, I don't know. Ask them."}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:21", "text": "You know, I don't know why they were,"}, {"start": "02:34:19", "end": "02:34:23", "text": "you know, why are they speaking in"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:26", "text": "English? She says, I said, they always"}, {"start": "02:34:23", "end": "02:34:28", "text": "speak in English. She said, yeah. I"}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:30", "text": "said, she said, I don't understand"}, {"start": "02:34:28", "end": "02:34:32", "text": "alien. Why would they? Well, I"}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:35", "text": "understand that, but I'm I'm I was"}, {"start": "02:34:32", "end": "02:34:39", "text": "saying why are they uh verbally saying"}, {"start": "02:34:35", "end": "02:34:41", "text": "that and not maybe in your mind like"}, {"start": "02:34:39", "end": "02:34:43", "text": "that we think? She said, \"I don't know,"}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:46", "text": "but they've done that, too. I hear them"}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:48", "text": "in my head.\" That's what she she says."}, {"start": "02:34:46", "end": "02:34:53", "text": "So, we thought, \"Okay, whatever.\" Uh,"}, {"start": "02:34:48", "end": "02:34:57", "text": "now what do we do? Um, but then"}, {"start": "02:34:53", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "we missed opportunities"}, {"start": "02:34:57", "end": "02:35:02", "text": "and they took her. They would take her"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:05", "text": "out through her window"}, {"start": "02:35:02", "end": "02:35:07", "text": "to a craft"}, {"start": "02:35:05", "end": "02:35:08", "text": "and then she would go someplace and then"}, {"start": "02:35:07", "end": "02:35:08", "text": "they would bring her back through her"}, {"start": "02:35:08", "end": "02:35:11", "text": "window"}, {"start": "02:35:08", "end": "02:35:11", "text": ">> like Linda Cortiel."}, {"start": "02:35:11", "end": "02:35:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:11", "end": "02:35:15", "text": ">> Type thing."}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:17", "text": ">> And she would be in a room."}, {"start": "02:35:15", "end": "02:35:20", "text": "She was in a b a bubble. She says a"}, {"start": "02:35:17", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "bubble. It was a bubble."}, {"start": "02:35:20", "end": "02:35:23", "text": ">> A round room."}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:28", "text": ">> A round room. And she was on a table in"}, {"start": "02:35:23", "end": "02:35:32", "text": "the bubble. And these she saw then these"}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:36", "text": "ugly she saw the actual insecttoids"}, {"start": "02:35:32", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "come in and they come right up to her"}, {"start": "02:35:36", "end": "02:35:40", "text": "and this is this is the times that she's"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:44", "text": "hearing them in her head. They're not"}, {"start": "02:35:40", "end": "02:35:47", "text": "moving their but they're they're"}, {"start": "02:35:44", "end": "02:35:49", "text": "badgering her. They're saying who is"}, {"start": "02:35:47", "end": "02:35:52", "text": "God? Who is this God? I don't like to"}, {"start": "02:35:49", "end": "02:35:55", "text": "say that but um what's his name? Where"}, {"start": "02:35:52", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "does he live? and things like that that"}, {"start": "02:35:55", "end": "02:36:01", "text": "she's asking because she's praying."}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:03", "text": "She's she's when she's abducted, she's"}, {"start": "02:36:01", "end": "02:36:08", "text": "praying. I think I said that, didn't I?"}, {"start": "02:36:03", "end": "02:36:11", "text": "Um well, she she is confused"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:13", "text": "and then there's and then in this room"}, {"start": "02:36:11", "end": "02:36:16", "text": "in this bubble, they're doing all these"}, {"start": "02:36:13", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "things to her. Uh you know, examining"}, {"start": "02:36:16", "end": "02:36:21", "text": "her and more evasive all the time, more"}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:24", "text": "evasive. and then she would lose"}, {"start": "02:36:21", "end": "02:36:27", "text": "consciousness and find out find herself"}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:29", "text": "in a bed or in her bed in her apartment."}, {"start": "02:36:27", "end": "02:36:31", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:36:29", "end": "02:36:33", "text": "the only thing I can say is there are"}, {"start": "02:36:31", "end": "02:36:36", "text": "some people uh during this time that"}, {"start": "02:36:33", "end": "02:36:38", "text": "were thinking that these"}, {"start": "02:36:36", "end": "02:36:42", "text": "uh extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:36:38", "end": "02:36:45", "text": "uh couldn't uh couldn't be in the same"}, {"start": "02:36:42", "end": "02:36:47", "text": "environment with a human and that's why"}, {"start": "02:36:45", "end": "02:36:49", "text": "they come in this bubble. They had to"}, {"start": "02:36:47", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "keep her alive. they had to have oxygen"}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:53", "text": "and whatever, but when they went out,"}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:56", "text": "they they they were in their own"}, {"start": "02:36:53", "end": "02:36:59", "text": "environment. I don't know if I I know"}, {"start": "02:36:56", "end": "02:37:02", "text": "somebody one of the uh DIA guys are"}, {"start": "02:36:59", "end": "02:37:04", "text": "talked about that. Apparently, they have"}, {"start": "02:37:02", "end": "02:37:06", "text": "uh other cases that they worked on that"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "I had no knowledge of."}, {"start": "02:37:06", "end": "02:37:12", "text": "So, that's why uh the government went"}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:14", "text": "above and beyond to do something to help"}, {"start": "02:37:12", "end": "02:37:16", "text": "her and they did"}, {"start": "02:37:14", "end": "02:37:19", "text": ">> to this day."}, {"start": "02:37:16", "end": "02:37:22", "text": ">> I don't know. I I I I'm sure"}, {"start": "02:37:19", "end": "02:37:25", "text": ">> she's I I spoke to her in Washington DC"}, {"start": "02:37:22", "end": "02:37:29", "text": "in 2022 and she's a different person. I"}, {"start": "02:37:25", "end": "02:37:32", "text": "mean, she's hasn't had any abductions"}, {"start": "02:37:29", "end": "02:37:32", "text": "in, you know, 30 30 years or whatever it"}, {"start": "02:37:32", "end": "02:37:35", "text": "was."}, {"start": "02:37:32", "end": "02:37:38", "text": ">> That's uh it's terrifying. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:37:35", "end": "02:37:42", "text": ">> it's a terrifying and and but to know"}, {"start": "02:37:38", "end": "02:37:45", "text": "like I mean it's just so strange the"}, {"start": "02:37:42", "end": "02:37:47", "text": ">> like"}, {"start": "02:37:45", "end": "02:37:50", "text": "what method was used to thwart them? How"}, {"start": "02:37:47", "end": "02:37:52", "text": "did they Was it guns? Was it sound? Was"}, {"start": "02:37:50", "end": "02:37:54", "text": "it like lights? What how did they get"}, {"start": "02:37:52", "end": "02:37:54", "text": "them out of there? How do they stop it"}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:37:56", "text": "from happening?"}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:37:57", "text": ">> I can't I can't go into detail."}, {"start": "02:37:56", "end": "02:37:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Wouldn't that be really important"}, {"start": "02:37:57", "end": "02:38:00", "text": "information for people out there to know"}, {"start": "02:37:59", "end": "02:38:03", "text": "in case they wanted to stop it?"}, {"start": "02:38:00", "end": "02:38:05", "text": ">> It's not guns. It's nothing like that."}, {"start": "02:38:03", "end": "02:38:06", "text": "It's uh technology."}, {"start": "02:38:05", "end": "02:38:09", "text": ">> It's a frequency."}, {"start": "02:38:06", "end": "02:38:09", "text": ">> It's just technology."}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:11", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:12", "text": ">> I I don't know. I'm not the scientist. I"}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:14", "text": "I I"}, {"start": "02:38:12", "end": "02:38:16", "text": ">> You don't know the method that"}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:18", "text": ">> um I know how they use it, but I don't"}, {"start": "02:38:16", "end": "02:38:20", "text": "know what's behind it."}, {"start": "02:38:18", "end": "02:38:22", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:38:20", "end": "02:38:24", "text": "Interesting. Um"}, {"start": "02:38:22", "end": "02:38:26", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "02:38:24", "end": "02:38:29", "text": "All right. We'll we'll move from that,"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:31", "text": "but we'll put a pin in that for whenever"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "she decides to come forward. Maybe we'll"}, {"start": "02:38:31", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "have you back and talk about it. Well, I"}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:35", "text": "have her back, too."}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:38", "text": ">> Maybe have both of you in the diner"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:39", "text": ">> when she Yeah, that would be great. Once"}, {"start": "02:38:38", "end": "02:38:41", "text": "she talks, man, that I mean, she's going"}, {"start": "02:38:39", "end": "02:38:42", "text": "to be wanted by everybody."}, {"start": "02:38:41", "end": "02:38:43", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "02:38:42", "end": "02:38:44", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "02:38:43", "end": "02:38:47", "text": ">> And I probably have an inside with her."}, {"start": "02:38:44", "end": "02:38:50", "text": "I mean, all I did for her, all we did,"}, {"start": "02:38:47", "end": "02:38:52", "text": "and just me, but OSI did for her. Not"}, {"start": "02:38:50", "end": "02:38:54", "text": "not just OS was I, but the entire realm"}, {"start": "02:38:52", "end": "02:38:58", "text": "of the government. I mean, she had NSA"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:38:59", "text": "and and everybody working uh to to tow"}, {"start": "02:38:58", "end": "02:39:02", "text": "this."}, {"start": "02:38:59", "end": "02:39:03", "text": ">> It's really alarming."}, {"start": "02:39:02", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:10", "text": "because you know what's hard Rick in"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "this topic for me is and I'm sure you've"}, {"start": "02:39:10", "end": "02:39:16", "text": "come across this as well."}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:19", "text": "You have to walk a line where one side"}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:22", "text": "of you says, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "02:39:19", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "either this person is telling me the"}, {"start": "02:39:22", "end": "02:39:28", "text": "objective truth of extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:30", "text": "visitation of whether it's mutilation or"}, {"start": "02:39:28", "end": "02:39:34", "text": "whether it's just experimentation,"}, {"start": "02:39:30", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "whatever that is, or I am actively"}, {"start": "02:39:34", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "indulging in someone's potential"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:41", "text": "psychosis.\""}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:44", "text": "And that's the line that I always find"}, {"start": "02:39:41", "end": "02:39:46", "text": "very difficult because on one hand I"}, {"start": "02:39:44", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "want to be I want to be the person who"}, {"start": "02:39:46", "end": "02:39:50", "text": "people can trust to come to and say"}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:54", "text": "these things and who feel safe and"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:58", "text": "secure in in in saying them. But on the"}, {"start": "02:39:54", "end": "02:40:00", "text": "other side, if this is all invented,"}, {"start": "02:39:58", "end": "02:40:05", "text": "then I'm actually not doing the right"}, {"start": "02:40:00", "end": "02:40:08", "text": "thing. Um, I'm I'm I'm gaslighting and"}, {"start": "02:40:05", "end": "02:40:12", "text": "I'm I'm making this worse somehow, uh,"}, {"start": "02:40:08", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "you know, by by allowing them to sort of"}, {"start": "02:40:12", "end": "02:40:19", "text": "perpetuate this potential,"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:21", "text": "you know, psychotic episode. And so,"}, {"start": "02:40:19", "end": "02:40:24", "text": "you know, something like that,"}, {"start": "02:40:21", "end": "02:40:26", "text": "I'm sure, affected you in that same way"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:27", "text": "where like, you know, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "02:40:26", "end": "02:40:30", "text": "times where I'm sure you couldn't tell"}, {"start": "02:40:27", "end": "02:40:31", "text": "if it was real or not. Even today, I'm"}, {"start": "02:40:30", "end": "02:40:34", "text": "sure with people telling you stories,"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:37", "text": "how do you discern? Right. But then that"}, {"start": "02:40:34", "end": "02:40:39", "text": "gave you some objective truth. Did that"}, {"start": "02:40:37", "end": "02:40:40", "text": "change how you felt about previous"}, {"start": "02:40:39", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "abduction cases?"}, {"start": "02:40:40", "end": "02:40:48", "text": ">> Absolutely. Absolutely. And and she was"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:51", "text": "one of the truly convincing"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:53", "text": "cases. We had others"}, {"start": "02:40:51", "end": "02:40:58", "text": "that were not convincing,"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:41:00", "text": ">> right? that that I mean you could"}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:03", "text": "one of the one of the things that was"}, {"start": "02:41:00", "end": "02:41:09", "text": "developed I have to be careful is the"}, {"start": "02:41:03", "end": "02:41:12", "text": "way uh to evaluate there's something a"}, {"start": "02:41:09", "end": "02:41:14", "text": "widget I'll call it a widget that you"}, {"start": "02:41:12", "end": "02:41:17", "text": "telling me you're abducted I'll bring"}, {"start": "02:41:14", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "that widget in and that that widget will"}, {"start": "02:41:17", "end": "02:41:20", "text": "tell me whether you're telling the truth"}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "not a lie detector anything like that"}, {"start": "02:41:20", "end": "02:41:25", "text": "it's something else that you just have"}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:26", "text": "to It It's too scientific for me to"}, {"start": "02:41:25", "end": "02:41:30", "text": ">> Of human origin."}, {"start": "02:41:26", "end": "02:41:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:41:30", "end": "02:41:33", "text": "I'm not going to say."}, {"start": "02:41:31", "end": "02:41:34", "text": ">> Well, because I watched the movie A"}, {"start": "02:41:33", "end": "02:41:34", "text": "Disclosure Day. Have you seen this"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:35", "text": "movie?"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:37", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "02:41:35", "end": "02:41:38", "text": ">> So, in there there's a widget."}, {"start": "02:41:37", "end": "02:41:41", "text": ">> Yep. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:41:38", "end": "02:41:41", "text": ">> Um, is that not unlike the widget you're"}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:42", "text": "referring to?"}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:45", "text": ">> I'm not going to say."}, {"start": "02:41:42", "end": "02:41:48", "text": ">> Okay. But because I found it very"}, {"start": "02:41:45", "end": "02:41:49", "text": "strange in that movie that that was"}, {"start": "02:41:48", "end": "02:41:51", "text": "brought in because I'm like, we don't"}, {"start": "02:41:49", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "really hear about things like that at"}, {"start": "02:41:51", "end": "02:41:56", "text": "all. everything else in the movie seem"}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:41:59", "text": "to track whether it's the the psychic"}, {"start": "02:41:56", "end": "02:42:01", "text": "overlay or the u the sort of lingering"}, {"start": "02:41:59", "end": "02:42:03", "text": "psychic abilities that someone has after"}, {"start": "02:42:01", "end": "02:42:04", "text": "having an experience these screen"}, {"start": "02:42:03", "end": "02:42:07", "text": "memories"}, {"start": "02:42:04", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "uh the childhood abductions there's"}, {"start": "02:42:07", "end": "02:42:11", "text": "there's so many things in that movie"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:13", "text": "that really track and and cut deep for"}, {"start": "02:42:11", "end": "02:42:15", "text": "you know people who follow experiencers"}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:17", "text": "but that one thing stood out to me and I"}, {"start": "02:42:15", "end": "02:42:20", "text": "was like what the heck's this"}, {"start": "02:42:17", "end": "02:42:22", "text": ">> maybe he got uh some inside information"}, {"start": "02:42:20", "end": "02:42:25", "text": ">> do you think that's the"}, {"start": "02:42:22", "end": "02:42:25", "text": "I think he did. Yeah. I I I think Yeah."}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:27", "text": "I'm"}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:28", "text": ">> 100%"}, {"start": "02:42:27", "end": "02:42:29", "text": ">> 100%. There's some things in there that"}, {"start": "02:42:28", "end": "02:42:30", "text": "he gotten"}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:31", "text": ">> He was briefed on."}, {"start": "02:42:30", "end": "02:42:33", "text": ">> He was briefed on. He was right in."}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:34", "text": ">> Absolutely. Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:42:33", "end": "02:42:36", "text": ">> In that specific movie."}, {"start": "02:42:34", "end": "02:42:37", "text": ">> Yeah. That that movie."}, {"start": "02:42:36", "end": "02:42:39", "text": ">> Okay. What? Well,"}, {"start": "02:42:37", "end": "02:42:41", "text": ">> is the widget one of them?"}, {"start": "02:42:39", "end": "02:42:43", "text": ">> I'm not going to say, but [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:42:41", "end": "02:42:45", "text": "there are Yeah, I'll say the Muji is"}, {"start": "02:42:43", "end": "02:42:47", "text": "true. I I I they can't do anything to"}, {"start": "02:42:45", "end": "02:42:51", "text": "me. But"}, {"start": "02:42:47", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "there's a lot I heard from a very"}, {"start": "02:42:51", "end": "02:42:55", "text": "reliable source that 18 minutes was cut"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:57", "text": "out of that film because the government"}, {"start": "02:42:55", "end": "02:43:00", "text": "says you can't you can't possibly show"}, {"start": "02:42:57", "end": "02:43:02", "text": "that. Now, I don't know if it's 18. I"}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:05", "text": "some says six minutes and some says 18."}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:08", "text": "There's some sections cut out because if"}, {"start": "02:43:05", "end": "02:43:12", "text": "you w I watch it twice because there's"}, {"start": "02:43:08", "end": "02:43:14", "text": "reasons why I watch it twice"}, {"start": "02:43:12", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "and I analyze"}, {"start": "02:43:14", "end": "02:43:17", "text": "there's they jump you can almost tell"}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:18", "text": "where it's cut"}, {"start": "02:43:17", "end": "02:43:21", "text": ">> where they cut the thing."}, {"start": "02:43:18", "end": "02:43:23", "text": ">> Excuse me. Yeah. Because I you know I've"}, {"start": "02:43:21", "end": "02:43:26", "text": "not I've never edited anything but I've"}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:28", "text": "been on movie sets and I know you know I"}, {"start": "02:43:26", "end": "02:43:30", "text": "know what was filmed and then what was"}, {"start": "02:43:28", "end": "02:43:34", "text": "cut later and what scene was you know."}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:37", "text": "So yeah, I'm I'm positive."}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "Now Spielberg will will say it's sensors"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:43", "text": "or something, but sensors don't care"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:45", "text": "about UFOs. I mean, if it's sex or"}, {"start": "02:43:43", "end": "02:43:47", "text": "something, you know, perverted, maybe"}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:49", "text": "they'll cut it, but sensors. Nah."}, {"start": "02:43:47", "end": "02:43:52", "text": ">> Yeah. And what I found interesting, too,"}, {"start": "02:43:49", "end": "02:43:56", "text": "is that normally movies depicting some"}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:43:57", "text": "type of government faction or department"}, {"start": "02:43:56", "end": "02:43:58", "text": "will have to acknowledge them in the"}, {"start": "02:43:57", "end": "02:44:00", "text": "credits. They didn't."}, {"start": "02:43:58", "end": "02:44:01", "text": ">> They didn't. I thought that was really"}, {"start": "02:44:00", "end": "02:44:03", "text": "interesting because even a movie like"}, {"start": "02:44:01", "end": "02:44:06", "text": "Elio which talks about you know there's"}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:07", "text": "space force in there and uh that you"}, {"start": "02:44:06", "end": "02:44:09", "text": "know"}, {"start": "02:44:07", "end": "02:44:11", "text": ">> we are very grateful for space force and"}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:13", "text": "the air force and the department of"}, {"start": "02:44:11", "end": "02:44:15", "text": "defense and and yada yada. So what's the"}, {"start": "02:44:13", "end": "02:44:17", "text": "reason why they wouldn't"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:18", "text": ">> because it's so real that they don't I"}, {"start": "02:44:17", "end": "02:44:19", "text": "don't know I you know they want to touch"}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:21", "text": "it."}, {"start": "02:44:19", "end": "02:44:22", "text": ">> It's you know it's"}, {"start": "02:44:21", "end": "02:44:24", "text": ">> what part what in what part of the movie"}, {"start": "02:44:22", "end": "02:44:25", "text": "do you think was cut out? Where do you"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "think where do you feel that that was"}, {"start": "02:44:25", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "cut out? The ending was supposed to she"}, {"start": "02:44:29", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "was supposed I Well, this is what I was"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:33", "text": "told."}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:34", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:35", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:44:34", "end": "02:44:40", "text": ">> what source told you this?"}, {"start": "02:44:35", "end": "02:44:41", "text": ">> Uh, somebody in uh the company"}, {"start": "02:44:40", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:46", "text": ">> at Universal. Somebody at"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:47", "text": ">> No, Altrin Altrin. Uh"}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:48", "text": ">> oh, his company. Yeah, his company."}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:50", "text": "Spielberg's company."}, {"start": "02:44:48", "end": "02:44:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Somebody said"}, {"start": "02:44:50", "end": "02:44:56", "text": ">> there was more to the ending than was so"}, {"start": "02:44:53", "end": "02:44:59", "text": "that maybe that's what it was cut out. M"}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "uh she was supposed to say more and she"}, {"start": "02:44:59", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "was supposed to go into she was supposed"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:07", "text": "to say it and then the alien voices"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:08", "text": "they"}, {"start": "02:45:07", "end": "02:45:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:16", "text": ">> at the end and they didn't do that."}, {"start": "02:45:11", "end": "02:45:18", "text": ">> Wow. Cuz I I think like many people felt"}, {"start": "02:45:16", "end": "02:45:20", "text": "the shortcoming of that ending. Like it"}, {"start": "02:45:18", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "was just so abrupt and strange that they"}, {"start": "02:45:20", "end": "02:45:24", "text": "would end it there. I was like what? I I"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:28", "text": "stayed for the end credits. There's got"}, {"start": "02:45:24", "end": "02:45:31", "text": "to be more here. Me too. Yeah. But but"}, {"start": "02:45:28", "end": "02:45:37", "text": "yeah, this I think the ending uh and"}, {"start": "02:45:31", "end": "02:45:40", "text": "then there's um when when he first"}, {"start": "02:45:37", "end": "02:45:42", "text": "uh got into the uh alien head thing to"}, {"start": "02:45:40", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "try to talk."}, {"start": "02:45:42", "end": "02:45:49", "text": ">> Uh they cut some of that out. Um I think"}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:49", "text": "at the beginning they also cut it out"}, {"start": "02:45:49", "end": "02:45:51", "text": "some things out."}, {"start": "02:45:49", "end": "02:45:53", "text": ">> And you're saying they cut it not for"}, {"start": "02:45:51", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "time or anything, but for"}, {"start": "02:45:53", "end": "02:45:57", "text": ">> I'm saying it. Oh, I see. I don't know"}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:58", "text": "if I don't know. I'm just saying others"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:45:59", "text": "have told me this."}, {"start": "02:45:58", "end": "02:46:01", "text": ">> You you think"}, {"start": "02:45:59", "end": "02:46:02", "text": ">> I wasn't there but others have told I"}, {"start": "02:46:01", "end": "02:46:04", "text": "mean it's on the internet. I mean you"}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:05", "text": "look people they saying they cut it out"}, {"start": "02:46:04", "end": "02:46:09", "text": "for this they cut it out I don't know"}, {"start": "02:46:05", "end": "02:46:12", "text": "but but my friend who works there"}, {"start": "02:46:09", "end": "02:46:14", "text": ">> said yeah there's they they did cut out"}, {"start": "02:46:12", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "some and and they always cut out film"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "you know but"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:19", "text": ">> yeah I was scanning all the uh the sort"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "of images that the news station was"}, {"start": "02:46:19", "end": "02:46:22", "text": "playing simultaneously. I was like,"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:24", "text": "maybe there's something in here that"}, {"start": "02:46:22", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "they, you know, soft disclosure that"}, {"start": "02:46:24", "end": "02:46:28", "text": "they left in."}, {"start": "02:46:25", "end": "02:46:31", "text": ">> Well, as I understand,"}, {"start": "02:46:28", "end": "02:46:34", "text": "there's uh a few people out there and"}, {"start": "02:46:31", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "and I'm actually going to go visit one"}, {"start": "02:46:34", "end": "02:46:41", "text": "next week uh who saw a longer version."}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:44", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "02:46:41", "end": "02:46:47", "text": ">> And he surprisingly told me this. Uh he"}, {"start": "02:46:44", "end": "02:46:49", "text": "said, \"Oh, they cut a lot out of that.\""}, {"start": "02:46:47", "end": "02:46:50", "text": "I said, \"Yeah, that's a rumor.\" He goes,"}, {"start": "02:46:49", "end": "02:46:53", "text": "\"Oh, I'm not telling you rumor. I saw"}, {"start": "02:46:50", "end": "02:46:55", "text": "the longer version. I said, \"You saw a"}, {"start": "02:46:53", "end": "02:46:56", "text": "longer version?\" He said, \"Yeah.\" I"}, {"start": "02:46:55", "end": "02:46:59", "text": "said, \"I got to come out and see you.\""}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:47:01", "text": ">> Where did he see it?"}, {"start": "02:46:59", "end": "02:47:02", "text": ">> At a special showing."}, {"start": "02:47:01", "end": "02:47:06", "text": ">> He works for the government, too."}, {"start": "02:47:02", "end": "02:47:06", "text": ">> Really? Was this showing in California?"}, {"start": "02:47:06", "end": "02:47:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:47:06", "end": "02:47:10", "text": ">> Palm Springs area,"}, {"start": "02:47:09", "end": "02:47:10", "text": ">> you know."}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:11", "text": ">> Was it?"}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:47:11", "end": "02:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Interesting."}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:14", "text": ">> You know,"}, {"start": "02:47:13", "end": "02:47:15", "text": ">> I know they had a screening there."}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:17", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:47:15", "end": "02:47:18", "text": ">> And I know there was some uh there's"}, {"start": "02:47:17", "end": "02:47:21", "text": "some private jets landing."}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:22", "text": ">> Mhm. two DARPA guys. Okay."}, {"start": "02:47:21", "end": "02:47:25", "text": ">> At least two DARPA guys."}, {"start": "02:47:22", "end": "02:47:27", "text": ">> An Air Force colonel."}, {"start": "02:47:25", "end": "02:47:29", "text": ">> Because it happened um during contact in"}, {"start": "02:47:27", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "the desert."}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:32", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:34", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "02:47:33", "end": "02:47:36", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:47:34", "end": "02:47:37", "text": ">> So that Okay. I'm going to have to talk"}, {"start": "02:47:36", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "to somebody."}, {"start": "02:47:37", "end": "02:47:40", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm going to too next time."}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:45", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:47:40", "end": "02:47:47", "text": ">> That's interesting. Um okay,"}, {"start": "02:47:45", "end": "02:47:49", "text": "I want to talk about something a little"}, {"start": "02:47:47", "end": "02:47:52", "text": "more trippy. Um, since we've gotten into"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:53", "text": "some really trippy things. Um, now, you"}, {"start": "02:47:52", "end": "02:47:55", "text": "know, there is"}, {"start": "02:47:53", "end": "02:47:57", "text": ">> there's so much I'd love to talk to you"}, {"start": "02:47:55", "end": "02:48:00", "text": "about, including, you know, Serpo,"}, {"start": "02:47:57", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "including more about Project Aquarius,"}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:04", "text": "and I mean, a Dolce base, like all this"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:06", "text": "all this stuff is is uh very"}, {"start": "02:48:04", "end": "02:48:07", "text": "fascinating. But one thing that I came"}, {"start": "02:48:06", "end": "02:48:09", "text": "across that I thought was really"}, {"start": "02:48:07", "end": "02:48:12", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "02:48:09", "end": "02:48:15", "text": ">> is I had um I think a mutual friend on"}, {"start": "02:48:12", "end": "02:48:16", "text": "here, uh, John Stewart."}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:18", "text": ">> I know John. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:48:16", "end": "02:48:20", "text": ">> good friends, John."}, {"start": "02:48:18", "end": "02:48:20", "text": ">> Yeah, John's a good guy. I like John."}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:27", "text": ">> Um, you know, the internet gives him a"}, {"start": "02:48:23", "end": "02:48:29", "text": "hard time. Not entirely undeserved."}, {"start": "02:48:27", "end": "02:48:31", "text": "I think I think uh, you know, and John's"}, {"start": "02:48:29", "end": "02:48:34", "text": "definitely going to watch this. Uh, but"}, {"start": "02:48:31", "end": "02:48:36", "text": "I, uh, I do think John sort of pokes the"}, {"start": "02:48:34", "end": "02:48:39", "text": "bear, so to speak. He's got a lot of"}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:42", "text": "gumption. He's somebody who, you know,"}, {"start": "02:48:39", "end": "02:48:44", "text": "his background is just riddled with"}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:46", "text": "someone who kicks indoors and doesn't"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:47", "text": "really, you know, he's boisterous. He's"}, {"start": "02:48:46", "end": "02:48:51", "text": "he's all of these things."}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:53", "text": ">> Um, which I think, credit to him, uh,"}, {"start": "02:48:51", "end": "02:48:58", "text": "gets him into places and into"}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:49:02", "text": "conversations that most don't get"}, {"start": "02:48:58", "end": "02:49:06", "text": "uh into. Um, and so one of these stories"}, {"start": "02:49:02", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "is the story of this Carthusian monk"}, {"start": "02:49:06", "end": "02:49:09", "text": "in I think northern Vermont or"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:11", "text": "something."}, {"start": "02:49:09", "end": "02:49:14", "text": ">> Yeah, Vermont. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:49:11", "end": "02:49:16", "text": ">> And the story is if if the people at"}, {"start": "02:49:14", "end": "02:49:22", "text": "home haven't watched this, the story is"}, {"start": "02:49:16", "end": "02:49:25", "text": "as follows. uh that he had someone"}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:28", "text": "reach out to this monastery because this"}, {"start": "02:49:25", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "monastery was found by remote viewers"}, {"start": "02:49:28", "end": "02:49:34", "text": "during, you know, the whole Stargate era"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:37", "text": "or maybe a little prior or after. Um but"}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:40", "text": "they remote viewed the monastery as"}, {"start": "02:49:37", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "being as housing people who will help"}, {"start": "02:49:40", "end": "02:49:47", "text": "them communicate with the being that"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:49", "text": "they had at S4 or at Area 51 Groom Lake"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:53", "text": "or Papoose."}, {"start": "02:49:49", "end": "02:49:55", "text": "And so they ended up going there and a"}, {"start": "02:49:53", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "Carthusian monastery by the way is like"}, {"start": "02:49:55", "end": "02:50:00", "text": "one of the most sacred. There's only one"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "in the United States and uh these people"}, {"start": "02:50:00", "end": "02:50:04", "text": "take a vow of silence. Their whole"}, {"start": "02:50:02", "end": "02:50:07", "text": "existence is to do nothing but"}, {"start": "02:50:04", "end": "02:50:09", "text": "contemplate like God."}, {"start": "02:50:07", "end": "02:50:11", "text": "They have the right to refuse being"}, {"start": "02:50:09", "end": "02:50:14", "text": "called upon uh by the church. Like"}, {"start": "02:50:11", "end": "02:50:16", "text": "that's how coveted these people are. And"}, {"start": "02:50:14", "end": "02:50:18", "text": "because of this, you know, they they"}, {"start": "02:50:16", "end": "02:50:20", "text": "have a lot of wisdom and a lot of, you"}, {"start": "02:50:18", "end": "02:50:22", "text": "know, sort of this this higher"}, {"start": "02:50:20", "end": "02:50:26", "text": "connection potentially. and and they"}, {"start": "02:50:22", "end": "02:50:28", "text": "were eventually brought in and flown to"}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "this secret undisclosed location to"}, {"start": "02:50:28", "end": "02:50:33", "text": "communicate with this being."}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "It is my understanding through"}, {"start": "02:50:33", "end": "02:50:41", "text": "conversations with John that you may"}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:44", "text": "have also had some small part in this or"}, {"start": "02:50:41", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "an interest a vested interest in this"}, {"start": "02:50:44", "end": "02:50:51", "text": "story. And is that safe to say?"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:55", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. I I I knew of an operation"}, {"start": "02:50:51", "end": "02:50:58", "text": "that was occurring at Groom Lake. I"}, {"start": "02:50:55", "end": "02:51:00", "text": "didn't know uh it was Cthusian monks."}, {"start": "02:50:58", "end": "02:51:02", "text": "Okay. I knew there was a pro there was a"}, {"start": "02:51:00", "end": "02:51:07", "text": "a project"}, {"start": "02:51:02", "end": "02:51:09", "text": "um that they were bringing people in to"}, {"start": "02:51:07", "end": "02:51:12", "text": "uh S2 Annex,"}, {"start": "02:51:09", "end": "02:51:15", "text": "which is where the uh we call it the"}, {"start": "02:51:12", "end": "02:51:16", "text": "creature containment facility. They had"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:19", "text": "special facilities for these"}, {"start": "02:51:16", "end": "02:51:23", "text": "extraterrestrials that we found or gain."}, {"start": "02:51:19", "end": "02:51:24", "text": "I I don't know how we got them. Uh"}, {"start": "02:51:23", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "because a lot of them had to have"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:29", "text": "special environments to live"}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:31", "text": "and that these people that they brought"}, {"start": "02:51:29", "end": "02:51:34", "text": "in and again I didn't know at the time"}, {"start": "02:51:31", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "in ' 80s that they were Gusian monks"}, {"start": "02:51:34", "end": "02:51:40", "text": "that they were able to communicate with"}, {"start": "02:51:36", "end": "02:51:41", "text": "them. Now that's it. That's that's 1980s"}, {"start": "02:51:40", "end": "02:51:43", "text": "era. Okay."}, {"start": "02:51:41", "end": "02:51:44", "text": ">> Was that a project you were read into? I"}, {"start": "02:51:43", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "was partially right into it. Yes."}, {"start": "02:51:44", "end": "02:51:48", "text": "Because"}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:51", "text": "[clears throat] one of the um"}, {"start": "02:51:48", "end": "02:51:55", "text": "one of the vans uh that they they"}, {"start": "02:51:51", "end": "02:51:59", "text": "weren't flown in to uh Goomb Lake. They"}, {"start": "02:51:55", "end": "02:52:00", "text": "were uh bust or they had a van. Uh the"}, {"start": "02:51:59", "end": "02:52:04", "text": "government used a van"}, {"start": "02:52:00", "end": "02:52:08", "text": ">> from Nellis. the they they flew into uh"}, {"start": "02:52:04", "end": "02:52:10", "text": "uh Las Vegas"}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:12", "text": "uh now [clears throat] Henry Harry Reid"}, {"start": "02:52:10", "end": "02:52:16", "text": "airport and then they would bust him up"}, {"start": "02:52:12", "end": "02:52:18", "text": "to uh Nellis and they would spend a"}, {"start": "02:52:16", "end": "02:52:20", "text": "night at Nellis and something was going"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:22", "text": "I don't know what happened at Nellis and"}, {"start": "02:52:20", "end": "02:52:24", "text": "then they would truck them bus them out"}, {"start": "02:52:22", "end": "02:52:28", "text": "or truck them out there. Well, one of"}, {"start": "02:52:24", "end": "02:52:34", "text": "them got in an accident and at at up"}, {"start": "02:52:28", "end": "02:52:39", "text": "there uh I think just south near Rachel"}, {"start": "02:52:34", "end": "02:52:42", "text": "anyways. And um we knew that they were"}, {"start": "02:52:39", "end": "02:52:45", "text": "uh very uh important officials. We"}, {"start": "02:52:42", "end": "02:52:46", "text": "didn't know who they were. And so, you"}, {"start": "02:52:45", "end": "02:52:48", "text": "know, they an accident happened, the"}, {"start": "02:52:46", "end": "02:52:50", "text": "highway patrols there investigating it."}, {"start": "02:52:48", "end": "02:52:53", "text": "We had to go up and interface with the"}, {"start": "02:52:50", "end": "02:52:56", "text": "highway patrol. So, I knew these I knew"}, {"start": "02:52:53", "end": "02:53:00", "text": "that they were some special and we"}, {"start": "02:52:56", "end": "02:53:02", "text": "actually uh got another uh van from"}, {"start": "02:53:00", "end": "02:53:04", "text": "Groom Lake to come out to pick them up."}, {"start": "02:53:02", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "So, and then take him out there. So,"}, {"start": "02:53:04", "end": "02:53:11", "text": "that's my involvement with this. I knew"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:13", "text": "and then uh one of the agents uh"}, {"start": "02:53:11", "end": "02:53:15", "text": "Harrison was his name who was actually"}, {"start": "02:53:13", "end": "02:53:20", "text": "involved this counter intelligence"}, {"start": "02:53:15", "end": "02:53:21", "text": "operation for S2 Annex. Uh he he knew"}, {"start": "02:53:20", "end": "02:53:24", "text": "what was going on."}, {"start": "02:53:21", "end": "02:53:28", "text": "and he had to give me limited access"}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "because of what I did. And I because I"}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "came back and I said, \"Okay, how do you"}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:34", "text": "want me to there's certain codes we have"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:36", "text": "to use in reports. How many how do you"}, {"start": "02:53:34", "end": "02:53:40", "text": "want me to code this?\" And he goes,"}, {"start": "02:53:36", "end": "02:53:43", "text": "\"Well, they're they're going up to uh S2"}, {"start": "02:53:40", "end": "02:53:46", "text": "Annex and they're going to be uh"}, {"start": "02:53:43", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "interpreters.\" I said, \"Okay.\" Well, not"}, {"start": "02:53:46", "end": "02:53:50", "text": "interpreters."}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:52", "text": ">> Sure. in a in a sense of what we could"}, {"start": "02:53:50", "end": "02:53:56", "text": "write down would be interpreters. That's"}, {"start": "02:53:52", "end": "02:54:00", "text": "it. Now jump ahead"}, {"start": "02:53:56", "end": "02:54:04", "text": "many many 30 some 40 years"}, {"start": "02:54:00", "end": "02:54:09", "text": "the story came out uh that uh from"}, {"start": "02:54:04", "end": "02:54:13", "text": "another person um within uh uh"}, {"start": "02:54:09", "end": "02:54:17", "text": "John's realm of of of of circle so to"}, {"start": "02:54:13", "end": "02:54:20", "text": "speak uh that told him the story that"}, {"start": "02:54:17", "end": "02:54:22", "text": "there were two Carthusian monks"}, {"start": "02:54:20", "end": "02:54:23", "text": "that had special gifts to be able to"}, {"start": "02:54:22", "end": "02:54:26", "text": "communicate with these"}, {"start": "02:54:23", "end": "02:54:29", "text": "extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "02:54:26", "end": "02:54:31", "text": "And apparently, I mean, again, there's a"}, {"start": "02:54:29", "end": "02:54:34", "text": "lot of whole I mean, a lot of things we"}, {"start": "02:54:31", "end": "02:54:37", "text": "can't put together here,"}, {"start": "02:54:34", "end": "02:54:40", "text": "but these two were still alive. Uh they"}, {"start": "02:54:37", "end": "02:54:42", "text": "were living at at this uh monastery and"}, {"start": "02:54:40", "end": "02:54:44", "text": "like you said, it's a very closed"}, {"start": "02:54:42", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "monastery. It's like they were hermits."}, {"start": "02:54:44", "end": "02:54:46", "text": "They they"}, {"start": "02:54:45", "end": "02:54:49", "text": ">> It looks like a bunker."}, {"start": "02:54:46", "end": "02:54:51", "text": ">> Exactly. They they they you can't visit"}, {"start": "02:54:49", "end": "02:54:54", "text": "the place. Uh we we went up tried to"}, {"start": "02:54:51", "end": "02:54:55", "text": "visit the place. Um they there it's"}, {"start": "02:54:54", "end": "02:54:56", "text": "called"}, {"start": "02:54:55", "end": "02:54:58", "text": ">> Who's we? You and John?"}, {"start": "02:54:56", "end": "02:55:01", "text": ">> No, me and another guy went went up"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:04", "text": "there. Uh and at the bottom of the hill"}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:07", "text": "they have a gift shop and they make uh"}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:09", "text": "they have gift shop. They make honey."}, {"start": "02:55:07", "end": "02:55:13", "text": "They have they make other things amongst"}, {"start": "02:55:09", "end": "02:55:18", "text": "to to you know to to to substain"}, {"start": "02:55:13", "end": "02:55:21", "text": "and but you we tried to get access to we"}, {"start": "02:55:18", "end": "02:55:23", "text": "knew their names uh the brother John and"}, {"start": "02:55:21", "end": "02:55:25", "text": "brother but we didn't know anything more"}, {"start": "02:55:23", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "about him and they said no you can't"}, {"start": "02:55:25", "end": "02:55:34", "text": "they don't have visitors once a year"}, {"start": "02:55:29", "end": "02:55:37", "text": "they can have a family member visit them"}, {"start": "02:55:34", "end": "02:55:40", "text": "but these two don't have any family and"}, {"start": "02:55:37", "end": "02:55:42", "text": "they're very old and they're in, you"}, {"start": "02:55:40", "end": "02:55:43", "text": "know, like a hospice up there or"}, {"start": "02:55:42", "end": "02:55:47", "text": "something. So, we could never get up"}, {"start": "02:55:43", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "there. But what we noticed was that"}, {"start": "02:55:47", "end": "02:55:53", "text": "there was a Vermont state trooper"}, {"start": "02:55:51", "end": "02:55:57", "text": "that would patrol from the gate where"}, {"start": "02:55:53", "end": "02:55:59", "text": "the uh gift house, gift shop was up the"}, {"start": "02:55:57", "end": "02:56:02", "text": "road and down. I thought that's odd."}, {"start": "02:55:59", "end": "02:56:04", "text": "State troopers are patrolling a private."}, {"start": "02:56:02", "end": "02:56:07", "text": "Why is that? Well, we we went to this"}, {"start": "02:56:04", "end": "02:56:09", "text": "local state police barracks and they"}, {"start": "02:56:07", "end": "02:56:11", "text": "basically said, \"Get out of here.\" You"}, {"start": "02:56:09", "end": "02:56:14", "text": "know, none of your business what we do."}, {"start": "02:56:11", "end": "02:56:17", "text": "And so we did, you know, could uh and we"}, {"start": "02:56:14", "end": "02:56:20", "text": "did um records, freedom of records"}, {"start": "02:56:17", "end": "02:56:24", "text": "checks, it called from Vermont. And all"}, {"start": "02:56:20", "end": "02:56:27", "text": "we got back was that uh somebody pays"}, {"start": "02:56:24", "end": "02:56:32", "text": "overtime. It doesn't say who. Some"}, {"start": "02:56:27", "end": "02:56:34", "text": "somebody pays the troopers overtime cuz"}, {"start": "02:56:32", "end": "02:56:35", "text": "what they're doing is overtime pay."}, {"start": "02:56:34", "end": "02:56:37", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "02:56:35", "end": "02:56:39", "text": ">> And that's it. That's all we got. We"}, {"start": "02:56:37", "end": "02:56:42", "text": "didn't have anything else. No names. No,"}, {"start": "02:56:39", "end": "02:56:44", "text": "I think we got the troopers names. Uh I"}, {"start": "02:56:42", "end": "02:56:47", "text": "think I I'm not sure, but that's it. We"}, {"start": "02:56:44", "end": "02:56:50", "text": "couldn't get every up there. But this"}, {"start": "02:56:47", "end": "02:56:54", "text": "other person"}, {"start": "02:56:50", "end": "02:56:56", "text": "uh who worked at Area 51, his name is"}, {"start": "02:56:54", "end": "02:56:58", "text": "Jean,"}, {"start": "02:56:56", "end": "02:57:02", "text": "who actually was a director of security"}, {"start": "02:56:58", "end": "02:57:05", "text": "at Area 51 back in the 80s, told the"}, {"start": "02:57:02", "end": "02:57:08", "text": "story of of these two monks that they"}, {"start": "02:57:05", "end": "02:57:10", "text": "were in fact gifted."}, {"start": "02:57:08", "end": "02:57:12", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:15", "text": "where they got gifted from,"}, {"start": "02:57:12", "end": "02:57:17", "text": "you know, we some people surmise that"}, {"start": "02:57:15", "end": "02:57:21", "text": "they might have gone to the Vatican and"}, {"start": "02:57:17", "end": "02:57:23", "text": "the Vatican had special powers or they"}, {"start": "02:57:21", "end": "02:57:24", "text": "knew or whatever. I don't know."}, {"start": "02:57:23", "end": "02:57:27", "text": ">> Or maybe just through the vow of silence"}, {"start": "02:57:24", "end": "02:57:30", "text": "itself. You know how if you dampen one"}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:31", "text": "sense, the other senses might start to"}, {"start": "02:57:30", "end": "02:57:33", "text": "increase."}, {"start": "02:57:31", "end": "02:57:35", "text": ">> That's a possibility. Anyways, they were"}, {"start": "02:57:33", "end": "02:57:36", "text": "the ones that were able to communicate"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:38", "text": "with this particular species of"}, {"start": "02:57:36", "end": "02:57:39", "text": "extraterrestrial."}, {"start": "02:57:38", "end": "02:57:42", "text": ">> Which species?"}, {"start": "02:57:39", "end": "02:57:43", "text": ">> Uh, I'm not sure. I think the grays that"}, {"start": "02:57:42", "end": "02:57:45", "text": "one of the grays."}, {"start": "02:57:43", "end": "02:57:48", "text": ">> And these grays told us all this"}, {"start": "02:57:45", "end": "02:57:50", "text": "information. And that's part of the film"}, {"start": "02:57:48", "end": "02:57:51", "text": "that John is talking about"}, {"start": "02:57:50", "end": "02:57:52", "text": ">> the alien interview."}, {"start": "02:57:51", "end": "02:57:54", "text": ">> The alien interview."}, {"start": "02:57:52", "end": "02:57:56", "text": ">> You You feel like that film is real?"}, {"start": "02:57:54", "end": "02:57:59", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I know it is because the guy"}, {"start": "02:57:56", "end": "02:58:01", "text": "that smuggled it out uh spoke Victor"}, {"start": "02:57:59", "end": "02:58:03", "text": ">> at at a No,"}, {"start": "02:58:01", "end": "02:58:05", "text": ">> no. the guy who gave it to Victor."}, {"start": "02:58:03", "end": "02:58:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Gave it to Victor, the Air Force"}, {"start": "02:58:05", "end": "02:58:10", "text": "sergeant that smuggled it out. He worked"}, {"start": "02:58:07", "end": "02:58:14", "text": "in the audio visual uh lab at at Groom"}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:16", "text": "Lake. Um he had access to where he could"}, {"start": "02:58:14", "end": "02:58:18", "text": "copy that, right? He had"}, {"start": "02:58:16", "end": "02:58:20", "text": ">> Yeah, you would have to Yeah."}, {"start": "02:58:18", "end": "02:58:22", "text": ">> the the video or whatever how they did"}, {"start": "02:58:20", "end": "02:58:23", "text": "that. I think it was on a"}, {"start": "02:58:22", "end": "02:58:25", "text": ">> And it was during a time they were sort"}, {"start": "02:58:23", "end": "02:58:27", "text": "of digitizing everything."}, {"start": "02:58:25", "end": "02:58:29", "text": ">> Digitizing it, right? Exactly. And so he"}, {"start": "02:58:27", "end": "02:58:31", "text": "was able to smuggle it out, keep it, and"}, {"start": "02:58:29", "end": "02:58:32", "text": "eventually gave it to Victor. And then"}, {"start": "02:58:31", "end": "02:58:34", "text": "the story of Victor."}, {"start": "02:58:32", "end": "02:58:36", "text": ">> You don't think that that could be"}, {"start": "02:58:34", "end": "02:58:40", "text": "passage material?"}, {"start": "02:58:36", "end": "02:58:41", "text": ">> No. He spoke to us uh a couple different"}, {"start": "02:58:40", "end": "02:58:44", "text": "times"}, {"start": "02:58:41", "end": "02:58:46", "text": "uh the technician and he uh and he"}, {"start": "02:58:44", "end": "02:58:50", "text": "doesn't want his name because he still"}, {"start": "02:58:46", "end": "02:58:51", "text": "feels well he could still be prosecuted."}, {"start": "02:58:50", "end": "02:58:54", "text": ">> Unauorized disclosure class of"}, {"start": "02:58:51", "end": "02:58:55", "text": "information. There's no statute of"}, {"start": "02:58:54", "end": "02:58:57", "text": "limitations on that. Yeah, but I mean"}, {"start": "02:58:55", "end": "02:58:59", "text": "you'd have to admit to something else."}, {"start": "02:58:57", "end": "02:59:01", "text": ">> I know. I [laughter] know. But uh you"}, {"start": "02:58:59", "end": "02:59:03", "text": "know, he emphatically told us that"}, {"start": "02:59:01", "end": "02:59:05", "text": "that's what he did and that's why John"}, {"start": "02:59:03", "end": "02:59:05", "text": "knows what the chain of events was."}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:08", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:09", "text": ">> Was and and so"}, {"start": "02:59:08", "end": "02:59:11", "text": ">> you're convinced without a doubt that"}, {"start": "02:59:09", "end": "02:59:11", "text": "that is a real alien that we're looking"}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:12", "text": "at."}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:15", "text": ">> I am. Yes."}, {"start": "02:59:12", "end": "02:59:17", "text": ">> Any other video online that you would"}, {"start": "02:59:15", "end": "02:59:19", "text": "say that is without a doubt real?"}, {"start": "02:59:17", "end": "02:59:20", "text": "Whether UFO or alien?"}, {"start": "02:59:19", "end": "02:59:22", "text": ">> There's a couple."}, {"start": "02:59:20", "end": "02:59:23", "text": ">> Which ones? I'd have to show them. I I"}, {"start": "02:59:22", "end": "02:59:25", "text": "don't have them right here."}, {"start": "02:59:23", "end": "02:59:27", "text": ">> Okay. We can talk about it. We could I"}, {"start": "02:59:25", "end": "02:59:28", "text": "have some that I'll give to you."}, {"start": "02:59:27", "end": "02:59:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:59:28", "end": "02:59:33", "text": ">> You think it pretty sure is real."}, {"start": "02:59:30", "end": "02:59:35", "text": ">> Okay. Not the Skinny Bob. Nothing like"}, {"start": "02:59:33", "end": "02:59:37", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:59:35", "end": "02:59:38", "text": ">> I'd have to see it. Okay. Because"}, {"start": "02:59:37", "end": "02:59:40", "text": "there's two different ones named Skinny"}, {"start": "02:59:38", "end": "02:59:41", "text": "Bob. But yeah."}, {"start": "02:59:40", "end": "02:59:45", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:59:41", "end": "02:59:48", "text": ">> I'd have to the the one the most famous"}, {"start": "02:59:45", "end": "02:59:51", "text": "foot fake one was the one where that you"}, {"start": "02:59:48", "end": "02:59:54", "text": "see the military officers holding this"}, {"start": "02:59:51", "end": "02:59:56", "text": "doll. It was a doll. It was a joke"}, {"start": "02:59:54", "end": "02:59:57", "text": "actually. Uh, somebody took a picture"}, {"start": "02:59:56", "end": "02:59:59", "text": "and now"}, {"start": "02:59:57", "end": "03:00:01", "text": ">> they're claiming it was an extra trust."}, {"start": "02:59:59", "end": "03:00:01", "text": ">> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. It was a doll. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:08", "text": ">> Has a doll. Anyways, um, yeah, we can"}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:10", "text": ">> What about there's this video where it"}, {"start": "03:00:08", "end": "03:00:13", "text": "seems like it's an a crash site or"}, {"start": "03:00:10", "end": "03:00:15", "text": "something. Um, maybe in the 40s. It's"}, {"start": "03:00:13", "end": "03:00:19", "text": "sort of sepia"}, {"start": "03:00:15", "end": "03:00:22", "text": "brownish hues. And there looks to be on"}, {"start": "03:00:19", "end": "03:00:24", "text": "a stretcher like a tiny body and like"}, {"start": "03:00:22", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "military officials. It's very brief. Do"}, {"start": "03:00:24", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "you know this one?"}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:26", "text": ">> No, I don't."}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:27", "text": ">> Okay, maybe I'll show that to you"}, {"start": "03:00:26", "end": "03:00:28", "text": "afterwards."}, {"start": "03:00:27", "end": "03:00:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:28", "end": "03:00:33", "text": ">> Um, cool. Okay. Well, yeah, I don't know"}, {"start": "03:00:32", "end": "03:00:36", "text": "where I sit with that. That's a weird"}, {"start": "03:00:33", "end": "03:00:38", "text": "one because on one hand"}, {"start": "03:00:36", "end": "03:00:40", "text": "I,"}, {"start": "03:00:38", "end": "03:00:42", "text": "you know, you look at that video and"}, {"start": "03:00:40", "end": "03:00:44", "text": "parts of it are,"}, {"start": "03:00:42", "end": "03:00:45", "text": ">> you know, alarming because it, you know,"}, {"start": "03:00:44", "end": "03:00:48", "text": "looks like a being that's in distress"}, {"start": "03:00:45", "end": "03:00:49", "text": "and being sort of tampered. But the"}, {"start": "03:00:48", "end": "03:00:51", "text": "other part of me is like this kind of"}, {"start": "03:00:49", "end": "03:00:54", "text": "looks like a puppet. This kind But"}, {"start": "03:00:51", "end": "03:00:56", "text": "again, I don't know what an alien looks"}, {"start": "03:00:54", "end": "03:00:57", "text": "like or how it moves, right? So maybe"}, {"start": "03:00:56", "end": "03:01:00", "text": "that's the only way I can describe it."}, {"start": "03:00:57", "end": "03:01:02", "text": "But when I see it, I see it, you know,"}, {"start": "03:01:00", "end": "03:01:05", "text": "kind of doing doing this here."}, {"start": "03:01:02", "end": "03:01:07", "text": ">> Yeah. It feels like it's puppetry. Um,"}, {"start": "03:01:05", "end": "03:01:10", "text": "which leads me to believe that at the"}, {"start": "03:01:07", "end": "03:01:12", "text": "maybe at the very least like this was"}, {"start": "03:01:10", "end": "03:01:14", "text": "made"}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:16", "text": "to replicate a real video, you know, and"}, {"start": "03:01:14", "end": "03:01:17", "text": "I think John I think that's where he"}, {"start": "03:01:16", "end": "03:01:20", "text": "sits as well."}, {"start": "03:01:17", "end": "03:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh,"}, {"start": "03:01:20", "end": "03:01:22", "text": ">> you don't think that that was the case?"}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:27", "text": ">> I I don't think so."}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:28", "text": ">> Like this guy smuggled out a real video"}, {"start": "03:01:27", "end": "03:01:31", "text": "of"}, {"start": "03:01:28", "end": "03:01:34", "text": "something that was recreated."}, {"start": "03:01:31", "end": "03:01:35", "text": "He just unknowingly smuggled out the"}, {"start": "03:01:34", "end": "03:01:37", "text": "recreation. Do you don't think that that"}, {"start": "03:01:35", "end": "03:01:40", "text": "is a possibility?"}, {"start": "03:01:37", "end": "03:01:43", "text": ">> I guess it's a possibility. Uh but I go"}, {"start": "03:01:40", "end": "03:01:44", "text": "back to I know the facility. I've been"}, {"start": "03:01:43", "end": "03:01:48", "text": "at the facility."}, {"start": "03:01:44", "end": "03:01:50", "text": ">> I saw closed circuit"}, {"start": "03:01:48", "end": "03:01:54", "text": "uh watching a closed circuit television"}, {"start": "03:01:50", "end": "03:01:56", "text": "camera of an alien inside. I went in"}, {"start": "03:01:54", "end": "03:01:59", "text": "there to interview somebody. I wasn't"}, {"start": "03:01:56", "end": "03:02:01", "text": "supposed to see this. I was in there"}, {"start": "03:01:59", "end": "03:02:02", "text": "watching this and I asked the guy that I"}, {"start": "03:02:01", "end": "03:02:04", "text": "was supposed to be interviewed. I said,"}, {"start": "03:02:02", "end": "03:02:06", "text": "'What's that? He said, \"Oh, they're"}, {"start": "03:02:04", "end": "03:02:09", "text": "talking to one of the visitors. They"}, {"start": "03:02:06", "end": "03:02:12", "text": "call them visitors.\" And I I watched,"}, {"start": "03:02:09", "end": "03:02:15", "text": "you know, I watched maybe, you know, 20"}, {"start": "03:02:12", "end": "03:02:16", "text": "seconds, 25 seconds of it. And then this"}, {"start": "03:02:15", "end": "03:02:18", "text": "colonel comes in. He said, \"Uh, can I"}, {"start": "03:02:16", "end": "03:02:19", "text": "help you?\" And I said, \"Yeah, I'm here"}, {"start": "03:02:18", "end": "03:02:21", "text": "to interview so- and so.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "03:02:19", "end": "03:02:23", "text": "\"You're not cleared for here, sir. You"}, {"start": "03:02:21", "end": "03:02:25", "text": "need to get out of here.\" I wasn't"}, {"start": "03:02:23", "end": "03:02:27", "text": "cleared for their but I didn't know that"}, {"start": "03:02:25", "end": "03:02:28", "text": "they were doing this. So, I know that"}, {"start": "03:02:27", "end": "03:02:30", "text": "they do that."}, {"start": "03:02:28", "end": "03:02:31", "text": ">> Yeah. They weren't trying to pull one"}, {"start": "03:02:30", "end": "03:02:31", "text": "over on you. They didn't know you were"}, {"start": "03:02:31", "end": "03:02:34", "text": "there."}, {"start": "03:02:31", "end": "03:02:36", "text": ">> No. So, I had to get out. And then when"}, {"start": "03:02:34", "end": "03:02:37", "text": "I got out, he said, \"Where do you work?\""}, {"start": "03:02:36", "end": "03:02:39", "text": "I said, \"I'm OSI.\" And I showed him my"}, {"start": "03:02:37", "end": "03:02:41", "text": "OSI. He said, \"Oh, okay. Never mind.\" I"}, {"start": "03:02:39", "end": "03:02:45", "text": "guess he assumed I was cleared, but I"}, {"start": "03:02:41", "end": "03:02:47", "text": "wasn't. So, what I had to do when you"}, {"start": "03:02:45", "end": "03:02:49", "text": "when you uh get access to something"}, {"start": "03:02:47", "end": "03:02:51", "text": "you're not cleared for, you have to"}, {"start": "03:02:49", "end": "03:02:53", "text": "report it and you know, all these"}, {"start": "03:02:51", "end": "03:02:55", "text": "seizures. I went back to the office and"}, {"start": "03:02:53", "end": "03:02:57", "text": "I told my boss, I said, you know, I told"}, {"start": "03:02:55", "end": "03:03:00", "text": "him what happened. And he said, \"What"}, {"start": "03:02:57", "end": "03:03:04", "text": "did you see?\" And I told him, he said,"}, {"start": "03:03:00", "end": "03:03:07", "text": "\"Uh, fill out a form 18 and it's like a"}, {"start": "03:03:04", "end": "03:03:09", "text": "a form that uh that I had acknowledged"}, {"start": "03:03:07", "end": "03:03:10", "text": "that I had access to something. I was"}, {"start": "03:03:09", "end": "03:03:12", "text": "unauthorized.\""}, {"start": "03:03:10", "end": "03:03:14", "text": ">> Yeah. And he said, \"I'll sign off on"}, {"start": "03:03:12", "end": "03:03:16", "text": "it.\" And they'll do it again. You know,"}, {"start": "03:03:14", "end": "03:03:18", "text": "he had to counsel me or something."}, {"start": "03:03:16", "end": "03:03:21", "text": ">> There's a couple forms you had to fill"}, {"start": "03:03:18", "end": "03:03:22", "text": "out. So, I know that that that happens."}, {"start": "03:03:21", "end": "03:03:24", "text": "I saw it"}, {"start": "03:03:22", "end": "03:03:26", "text": ">> and it was the same"}, {"start": "03:03:24", "end": "03:03:27", "text": ">> similar. Okay."}, {"start": "03:03:26", "end": "03:03:30", "text": ">> With a similar I mean I can't say"}, {"start": "03:03:27", "end": "03:03:33", "text": ">> big head big head large but it was it"}, {"start": "03:03:30", "end": "03:03:37", "text": "was in a like a"}, {"start": "03:03:33", "end": "03:03:39", "text": "one of these um swings that you'd put uh"}, {"start": "03:03:37", "end": "03:03:41", "text": "somebody that was disabled in you know"}, {"start": "03:03:39", "end": "03:03:43", "text": "these uh"}, {"start": "03:03:41", "end": "03:03:44", "text": ">> swings. It it was in a swing like a"}, {"start": "03:03:43", "end": "03:03:46", "text": "harness"}, {"start": "03:03:44", "end": "03:03:51", "text": ">> and it had straps around him. His head"}, {"start": "03:03:46", "end": "03:03:52", "text": "looked exactly like that one. And uh I"}, {"start": "03:03:51", "end": "03:03:56", "text": "didn't see the people. I didn't see the"}, {"start": "03:03:52", "end": "03:03:59", "text": "whoever was in the room, but it was it"}, {"start": "03:03:56", "end": "03:04:01", "text": "was moving like it was talking. But, you"}, {"start": "03:03:59", "end": "03:04:03", "text": "know, I said I only had short period of"}, {"start": "03:04:01", "end": "03:04:05", "text": "time to watch. I would want to watch all"}, {"start": "03:04:03", "end": "03:04:07", "text": "of it, but because it really perked my"}, {"start": "03:04:05", "end": "03:04:09", "text": "interest, I thought, \"Holy they"}, {"start": "03:04:07", "end": "03:04:11", "text": "got him in here.\" Yeah. I thought I knew"}, {"start": "03:04:09", "end": "03:04:13", "text": "I what the facility was,"}, {"start": "03:04:11", "end": "03:04:16", "text": ">> but I never, you know, I wasn't there"}, {"start": "03:04:13", "end": "03:04:19", "text": "was an OSI agent that was responsible"}, {"start": "03:04:16", "end": "03:04:21", "text": "for that area. It wasn't me, but I knew"}, {"start": "03:04:19", "end": "03:04:23", "text": "it was there. Now I know what they had"}, {"start": "03:04:21", "end": "03:04:26", "text": "there. At least one."}, {"start": "03:04:23", "end": "03:04:29", "text": ">> You've had so many interesting"}, {"start": "03:04:26", "end": "03:04:31", "text": "encounters. Um"}, {"start": "03:04:29", "end": "03:04:32", "text": ">> I wish I had more. [laughter]"}, {"start": "03:04:31", "end": "03:04:34", "text": ">> There's never enough."}, {"start": "03:04:32", "end": "03:04:36", "text": ">> Never enough."}, {"start": "03:04:34", "end": "03:04:38", "text": ">> But you you talk about it so flippantly"}, {"start": "03:04:36", "end": "03:04:41", "text": "like how how do you get to that point? I"}, {"start": "03:04:38", "end": "03:04:43", "text": "feel like a lot of people,"}, {"start": "03:04:41", "end": "03:04:45", "text": "you know, I don't know. I don't know how"}, {"start": "03:04:43", "end": "03:04:48", "text": "I would process all that information, I"}, {"start": "03:04:45", "end": "03:04:51", "text": "guess. And I'm just kind of it's not"}, {"start": "03:04:48", "end": "03:04:53", "text": "every day that you get to, you know,"}, {"start": "03:04:51", "end": "03:04:55", "text": "see something like that and then even"}, {"start": "03:04:53", "end": "03:04:58", "text": "know how to process it. Like I don't"}, {"start": "03:04:55", "end": "03:05:00", "text": "even know how I would process it. Well,"}, {"start": "03:04:58", "end": "03:05:03", "text": "first of all, you didn't go through all"}, {"start": "03:05:00", "end": "03:05:05", "text": "the prerequisites to get becoming an"}, {"start": "03:05:03", "end": "03:05:07", "text": "intelligence officer. You didn't go"}, {"start": "03:05:05", "end": "03:05:08", "text": "through all the psychological testing."}, {"start": "03:05:07", "end": "03:05:11", "text": "You didn't go through the intelligence"}, {"start": "03:05:08", "end": "03:05:14", "text": "operations course that prepares you for"}, {"start": "03:05:11", "end": "03:05:17", "text": "the unknown. So, that helped. But I'm a"}, {"start": "03:05:14", "end": "03:05:20", "text": "human being and yeah, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "03:05:17", "end": "03:05:23", "text": "things that I saw that I can't explain."}, {"start": "03:05:20", "end": "03:05:25", "text": "The briefing that I had in 1979 that I"}, {"start": "03:05:23", "end": "03:05:28", "text": "didn't believe, but then I realized yet"}, {"start": "03:05:25", "end": "03:05:33", "text": "was real. Uh some other things that I"}, {"start": "03:05:28", "end": "03:05:36", "text": "had access to, uh to this day, uh I'm"}, {"start": "03:05:33", "end": "03:05:37", "text": "not sure what I saw. I mean, I saw it,"}, {"start": "03:05:36", "end": "03:05:39", "text": "you know, with my own eyes and there"}, {"start": "03:05:37", "end": "03:05:43", "text": "were other people with me when they saw"}, {"start": "03:05:39", "end": "03:05:44", "text": "it, but I can't explain it. And so,"}, {"start": "03:05:43", "end": "03:05:46", "text": "yeah, there's a lot of things that I"}, {"start": "03:05:44", "end": "03:05:50", "text": "can't explain that I saw. And there's"}, {"start": "03:05:46", "end": "03:05:53", "text": "things that I did that I was told to do"}, {"start": "03:05:50", "end": "03:05:56", "text": "and I did it because I that's my job."}, {"start": "03:05:53", "end": "03:05:59", "text": "I'm following orders that I wish I"}, {"start": "03:05:56", "end": "03:06:01", "text": "didn't do or I wish I didn't see. And a"}, {"start": "03:05:59", "end": "03:06:05", "text": "lot of that as were abductions"}, {"start": "03:06:01", "end": "03:06:08", "text": "because after the sergeant's abduction"}, {"start": "03:06:05", "end": "03:06:10", "text": "and all her case uh it was very"}, {"start": "03:06:08", "end": "03:06:12", "text": "difficult to believe anybody unless they"}, {"start": "03:06:10", "end": "03:06:14", "text": "had you know really really really good"}, {"start": "03:06:12", "end": "03:06:16", "text": "proofs. And there was a case another"}, {"start": "03:06:14", "end": "03:06:18", "text": "case I was involved in. I I wasn't I"}, {"start": "03:06:16", "end": "03:06:20", "text": "wasn't a case agent for it. I just had"}, {"start": "03:06:18", "end": "03:06:23", "text": "very very very limited access to it."}, {"start": "03:06:20", "end": "03:06:25", "text": "Another female she was a dependent wife"}, {"start": "03:06:23", "end": "03:06:27", "text": "of a captain. She she wasn't in the air"}, {"start": "03:06:25", "end": "03:06:28", "text": "force. She was a dependent wife. You"}, {"start": "03:06:27", "end": "03:06:30", "text": "know what that mean? You know what that"}, {"start": "03:06:28", "end": "03:06:31", "text": "means. And uh yeah, your mother."}, {"start": "03:06:30", "end": "03:06:36", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "03:06:31", "end": "03:06:40", "text": "And um so she had an experience"}, {"start": "03:06:36", "end": "03:06:41", "text": "that I took the initial report on"}, {"start": "03:06:40", "end": "03:06:45", "text": "that"}, {"start": "03:06:41", "end": "03:06:48", "text": "made us believe that she"}, {"start": "03:06:45", "end": "03:06:51", "text": "was having an affair and was covering"}, {"start": "03:06:48", "end": "03:06:54", "text": "the affair with this supposed"}, {"start": "03:06:51", "end": "03:06:55", "text": ">> But it didn't turn out that way. I mean,"}, {"start": "03:06:54", "end": "03:06:57", "text": "like I said, I only had a little part of"}, {"start": "03:06:55", "end": "03:06:59", "text": "it. Very rare little part of it."}, {"start": "03:06:57", "end": "03:07:01", "text": ">> Did you bring in the widget?"}, {"start": "03:06:59", "end": "03:07:02", "text": ">> Brought in the W. They they brought in"}, {"start": "03:07:01", "end": "03:07:03", "text": "the widget"}, {"start": "03:07:02", "end": "03:07:04", "text": ">> and that confirmed it."}, {"start": "03:07:03", "end": "03:07:09", "text": ">> That confirmed that she was telling the"}, {"start": "03:07:04", "end": "03:07:10", "text": "truth. The facts to the case. And if if"}, {"start": "03:07:09", "end": "03:07:11", "text": "we have time, I"}, {"start": "03:07:10", "end": "03:07:14", "text": ">> we have plenty of time."}, {"start": "03:07:11", "end": "03:07:15", "text": ">> Okay. Uh she's driving uh she leaves"}, {"start": "03:07:14", "end": "03:07:19", "text": "Kirtland. She's driving on the"}, {"start": "03:07:15", "end": "03:07:20", "text": "Interstate 25 to Colorado. Her uh I"}, {"start": "03:07:19", "end": "03:07:23", "text": "don't know, some relatives live in"}, {"start": "03:07:20", "end": "03:07:25", "text": "Colorado. She has her I don't know a"}, {"start": "03:07:23", "end": "03:07:26", "text": "small child I think seven month or"}, {"start": "03:07:25", "end": "03:07:29", "text": "eightmonth old child in the back seat in"}, {"start": "03:07:26", "end": "03:07:32", "text": "a car seat. She's driving. She gets near"}, {"start": "03:07:29", "end": "03:07:34", "text": "Springer, New Mexico, which is uh you"}, {"start": "03:07:32", "end": "03:07:35", "text": "know about 40 miles from the Colorado"}, {"start": "03:07:34", "end": "03:07:35", "text": "state line."}, {"start": "03:07:35", "end": "03:07:38", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:07:35", "end": "03:07:41", "text": ">> And uh the car she has problems with the"}, {"start": "03:07:38", "end": "03:07:43", "text": "car. She pulls off the side of the road."}, {"start": "03:07:41", "end": "03:07:44", "text": "It's just before the first exit going"}, {"start": "03:07:43", "end": "03:07:48", "text": "into Springer, New Mexico, little little"}, {"start": "03:07:44", "end": "03:07:49", "text": "town. And all of a sudden the car lights"}, {"start": "03:07:48", "end": "03:07:54", "text": "up."}, {"start": "03:07:49", "end": "03:07:59", "text": "She feels dizzy and she loses time. She"}, {"start": "03:07:54", "end": "03:08:02", "text": "wakes up at Eagle Nest Lake, which is 70"}, {"start": "03:07:59", "end": "03:08:05", "text": "miles away to the west. She doesn't have"}, {"start": "03:08:02", "end": "03:08:06", "text": "her child with her."}, {"start": "03:08:05", "end": "03:08:08", "text": "She doesn't know where she is. She"}, {"start": "03:08:06", "end": "03:08:12", "text": "doesn't know what happened 6 hours"}, {"start": "03:08:08", "end": "03:08:14", "text": "later. Well, fortunately, a New Mexico"}, {"start": "03:08:12", "end": "03:08:16", "text": "State trooper saw the vehicle at the"}, {"start": "03:08:14", "end": "03:08:18", "text": "side of the road, pulls up, looks in,"}, {"start": "03:08:16", "end": "03:08:20", "text": "sees a baby, doesn't see anybody around,"}, {"start": "03:08:18", "end": "03:08:23", "text": "you know, and calls and takes care, you"}, {"start": "03:08:20", "end": "03:08:25", "text": "know, takes care of the child. Uh, but"}, {"start": "03:08:23", "end": "03:08:28", "text": "then he he does his investigation and"}, {"start": "03:08:25", "end": "03:08:31", "text": "finds that this woman, you know, runs"}, {"start": "03:08:28", "end": "03:08:33", "text": "the plate and finds out this woman is is"}, {"start": "03:08:31", "end": "03:08:37", "text": "supposed to be in a car. He calls back"}, {"start": "03:08:33", "end": "03:08:38", "text": "to the base and the gets a hold of the"}, {"start": "03:08:37", "end": "03:08:40", "text": "husband who had been working or"}, {"start": "03:08:38", "end": "03:08:44", "text": "something something a captain and said"}, {"start": "03:08:40", "end": "03:08:47", "text": "no my wife left uh to go to uh I think"}, {"start": "03:08:44", "end": "03:08:48", "text": "Publo Colorado to visit relatives and"}, {"start": "03:08:47", "end": "03:08:50", "text": "they said well we found your baby in a"}, {"start": "03:08:48", "end": "03:08:53", "text": "car but we can't find her where would"}, {"start": "03:08:50", "end": "03:08:53", "text": "she be"}, {"start": "03:08:54", "end": "03:09:00", "text": "a fisherman jump up the eagle nest lake"}, {"start": "03:08:57", "end": "03:09:02", "text": "it's big lake in northern New Mexico he"}, {"start": "03:09:00", "end": "03:09:03", "text": "finds her walking along the shoreline of"}, {"start": "03:09:02", "end": "03:09:05", "text": "this like and he asked him, \"Ma'am,"}, {"start": "03:09:03", "end": "03:09:07", "text": "what's wrong?\" And she's all excited,"}, {"start": "03:09:05", "end": "03:09:11", "text": "crying. I don't know where my baby is."}, {"start": "03:09:07", "end": "03:09:13", "text": "Uh he he where where'd you come from? My"}, {"start": "03:09:11", "end": "03:09:15", "text": "car. My car. So him and another"}, {"start": "03:09:13", "end": "03:09:16", "text": "fisherman are looking all over for a"}, {"start": "03:09:15", "end": "03:09:19", "text": "car. Thought that there's only one way"}, {"start": "03:09:16", "end": "03:09:24", "text": "down at a road. They can't find a car."}, {"start": "03:09:19", "end": "03:09:25", "text": "So they call uh We didn't have 911 back"}, {"start": "03:09:24", "end": "03:09:26", "text": "in those days."}, {"start": "03:09:25", "end": "03:09:30", "text": ">> Was 411, was it?"}, {"start": "03:09:26", "end": "03:09:33", "text": ">> Yeah. No, it was zero operator. Uh he"}, {"start": "03:09:30", "end": "03:09:36", "text": "well he had to go to a place to call. He"}, {"start": "03:09:33", "end": "03:09:39", "text": "left somebody in char of her and drives"}, {"start": "03:09:36", "end": "03:09:45", "text": "to this gas station uh you know 7 milesi"}, {"start": "03:09:39", "end": "03:09:47", "text": "away you know calls and so uh the law"}, {"start": "03:09:45", "end": "03:09:49", "text": "enforcement in there is state police."}, {"start": "03:09:47", "end": "03:09:51", "text": "They come down there. Well they know her"}, {"start": "03:09:49", "end": "03:09:54", "text": "name because the other trooper over in"}, {"start": "03:09:51", "end": "03:09:57", "text": "Springer found the vehicle. And so they"}, {"start": "03:09:54", "end": "03:10:00", "text": "take her and they they immediately take"}, {"start": "03:09:57", "end": "03:10:02", "text": "her to a hospital. And the the closest"}, {"start": "03:10:00", "end": "03:10:04", "text": "hospital was in Raton, New Mexico, right"}, {"start": "03:10:02", "end": "03:10:07", "text": "up near the state line. That's closest"}, {"start": "03:10:04", "end": "03:10:08", "text": "hospital cuz she was uh"}, {"start": "03:10:07", "end": "03:10:11", "text": ">> delirious"}, {"start": "03:10:08", "end": "03:10:13", "text": ">> delirious and and suffering from uh pain"}, {"start": "03:10:11", "end": "03:10:16", "text": "all over her body. So they take her up"}, {"start": "03:10:13", "end": "03:10:20", "text": "there and fortunately the baby was taken"}, {"start": "03:10:16", "end": "03:10:22", "text": "there too to the to the uh uh needle"}, {"start": "03:10:20", "end": "03:10:26", "text": "natal care or the or the pediatrics care"}, {"start": "03:10:22", "end": "03:10:27", "text": "unit there. So they inter they examined"}, {"start": "03:10:26", "end": "03:10:31", "text": "her and said, \"Well, man, you you've"}, {"start": "03:10:27", "end": "03:10:34", "text": "been you've been raped.\" And she said,"}, {"start": "03:10:31", "end": "03:10:38", "text": "\"Oh, uh, no, I I was in my car.\" She"}, {"start": "03:10:34", "end": "03:10:40", "text": "tells a story. Well, jump. The next"}, {"start": "03:10:38", "end": "03:10:45", "text": "afternoon, the captain comes to our"}, {"start": "03:10:40", "end": "03:10:46", "text": "office with her and tells us a story"}, {"start": "03:10:45", "end": "03:10:48", "text": "and and I take the rep, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "03:10:46", "end": "03:10:50", "text": "there and listen to the captain and"}, {"start": "03:10:48", "end": "03:10:53", "text": "she's she's out in a waiting room. She's"}, {"start": "03:10:50", "end": "03:10:55", "text": "not in back my because my area was all"}, {"start": "03:10:53", "end": "03:10:57", "text": "secure. I listened to him. I said, \"This"}, {"start": "03:10:55", "end": "03:11:00", "text": "is what she told you?\" Yeah. I said,"}, {"start": "03:10:57", "end": "03:11:03", "text": "\"And she was raped by somebody.\" Yeah. I"}, {"start": "03:11:00", "end": "03:11:06", "text": "said, \"Well, well, why why do you think"}, {"start": "03:11:03", "end": "03:11:08", "text": "it's UFO related?\" He says, \"She was"}, {"start": "03:11:06", "end": "03:11:11", "text": "taken out of a vehicle into the into the"}, {"start": "03:11:08", "end": "03:11:14", "text": "flying saucer.\""}, {"start": "03:11:11", "end": "03:11:16", "text": "Okay. I don't don't believe it. I said,"}, {"start": "03:11:14", "end": "03:11:17", "text": "\"Okay.\" So, I said, \"Well, we'll"}, {"start": "03:11:16", "end": "03:11:20", "text": "interview her, but I have to have a"}, {"start": "03:11:17", "end": "03:11:22", "text": "female agent.\" So we we had them but"}, {"start": "03:11:20", "end": "03:11:23", "text": "they one was out. So we had to wait a"}, {"start": "03:11:22", "end": "03:11:25", "text": "while and we get her back there. We get"}, {"start": "03:11:23", "end": "03:11:28", "text": "the female agent and she tells us the"}, {"start": "03:11:25", "end": "03:11:31", "text": "story just as I told you that she's"}, {"start": "03:11:28", "end": "03:11:33", "text": "driving and she pulls off and uh some"}, {"start": "03:11:31", "end": "03:11:34", "text": "the car lights up and she doesn't know"}, {"start": "03:11:33", "end": "03:11:37", "text": "where she went and she wakes up on the"}, {"start": "03:11:34", "end": "03:11:40", "text": "shoreline of this lake and she panics"}, {"start": "03:11:37", "end": "03:11:42", "text": "because her baby's not there. And I"}, {"start": "03:11:40", "end": "03:11:45", "text": "said, \"Well, what happened?\" I don't"}, {"start": "03:11:42", "end": "03:11:48", "text": "know. I said, \"Did who who raped you?\""}, {"start": "03:11:45", "end": "03:11:50", "text": "\"I don't know.\" I said, ' But you knew"}, {"start": "03:11:48", "end": "03:11:52", "text": "you were raped?' No, I don't know."}, {"start": "03:11:50", "end": "03:11:56", "text": "That's what the doctor told me. I said,"}, {"start": "03:11:52", "end": "03:11:58", "text": "' Okay. So,"}, {"start": "03:11:56", "end": "03:12:01", "text": "okay, you raped. That's off base as"}, {"start": "03:11:58", "end": "03:12:02", "text": "civilians kind of let the state police"}, {"start": "03:12:01", "end": "03:12:04", "text": "handle that. You know, we're going to"}, {"start": "03:12:02", "end": "03:12:05", "text": "we're So, we coordinate with state"}, {"start": "03:12:04", "end": "03:12:08", "text": "police and they say, \"Oh, we got"}, {"start": "03:12:05", "end": "03:12:08", "text": "investigators doing that. We"}, {"start": "03:12:08", "end": "03:12:11", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "03:12:08", "end": "03:12:12", "text": ">> they think the two fishermen might be"}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:14", "text": "involved in this, right? They you know"}, {"start": "03:12:12", "end": "03:12:15", "text": "they back then they didn't have DNA but"}, {"start": "03:12:14", "end": "03:12:16", "text": "they have"}, {"start": "03:12:15", "end": "03:12:18", "text": ">> brought them in for questioning."}, {"start": "03:12:16", "end": "03:12:21", "text": ">> They have uh secretions. If you are a"}, {"start": "03:12:18", "end": "03:12:23", "text": "secretor of something you can tell SP"}, {"start": "03:12:21", "end": "03:12:24", "text": "she didn't have any semen in her."}, {"start": "03:12:23", "end": "03:12:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:12:24", "end": "03:12:30", "text": ">> So they they they cleared them I guess"}, {"start": "03:12:26", "end": "03:12:32", "text": "and uh so then we started delving into"}, {"start": "03:12:30", "end": "03:12:34", "text": "it. Well I didn't. Another agent comes"}, {"start": "03:12:32", "end": "03:12:37", "text": "in and takes it takes the case. So"}, {"start": "03:12:34", "end": "03:12:39", "text": "that's all I was involved in that."}, {"start": "03:12:37", "end": "03:12:41", "text": "Months later,"}, {"start": "03:12:39", "end": "03:12:44", "text": "I was told by this other agent, female"}, {"start": "03:12:41", "end": "03:12:46", "text": "agent, that it was legitimate. She just"}, {"start": "03:12:44", "end": "03:12:48", "text": "came at my office and she says, \"You"}, {"start": "03:12:46", "end": "03:12:50", "text": "remember the certain case?\" \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:12:48", "end": "03:12:51", "text": "legitimate.\" and walked out."}, {"start": "03:12:50", "end": "03:12:54", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:12:51", "end": "03:12:54", "text": ">> So, that was my limited briefing access."}, {"start": "03:12:54", "end": "03:12:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:12:54", "end": "03:13:00", "text": ">> So, it it it really happened."}, {"start": "03:12:57", "end": "03:13:04", "text": ">> What's your best guess as to why and and"}, {"start": "03:13:00", "end": "03:13:07", "text": "it's mostly women why the abductions"}, {"start": "03:13:04", "end": "03:13:09", "text": "take place? They're interested in our"}, {"start": "03:13:07", "end": "03:13:12", "text": "body structures. Their their bodies,"}, {"start": "03:13:09", "end": "03:13:14", "text": "their biologics are entire entirely"}, {"start": "03:13:12", "end": "03:13:16", "text": "different than ours. Uh their makeup of"}, {"start": "03:13:14", "end": "03:13:18", "text": "their sk of of our skin, their skin,"}, {"start": "03:13:16", "end": "03:13:22", "text": "everything's different. Eyes are"}, {"start": "03:13:18", "end": "03:13:26", "text": "different. Uh they're interested in us."}, {"start": "03:13:22", "end": "03:13:30", "text": "And they're interested in how we uh uh"}, {"start": "03:13:26", "end": "03:13:34", "text": "populate, how uh you know, how we uh can"}, {"start": "03:13:30", "end": "03:13:36", "text": "move uh how our eyes move, what we see"}, {"start": "03:13:34", "end": "03:13:38", "text": "when we we all these things they're"}, {"start": "03:13:36", "end": "03:13:39", "text": "interested in. And this is me. This is"}, {"start": "03:13:38", "end": "03:13:41", "text": "Rick Dodie talking. This isn't something"}, {"start": "03:13:39", "end": "03:13:42", "text": "I read out of some document."}, {"start": "03:13:41", "end": "03:13:44", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "03:13:42", "end": "03:13:48", "text": ">> Uh I think that they're so interested in"}, {"start": "03:13:44", "end": "03:13:50", "text": "us that they want to experiment with us,"}, {"start": "03:13:48", "end": "03:13:52", "text": "but they don't want to harm us. And"}, {"start": "03:13:50", "end": "03:13:55", "text": "that's why all these abductions"}, {"start": "03:13:52", "end": "03:13:58", "text": "occurring and from different species and"}, {"start": "03:13:55", "end": "03:14:02", "text": "they're just trying to examine us as we"}, {"start": "03:13:58", "end": "03:14:04", "text": "would them. We have and now I'm talking"}, {"start": "03:14:02", "end": "03:14:06", "text": "from experience. We have"}, {"start": "03:14:04", "end": "03:14:10", "text": "extraterrestrials in captivity. I know"}, {"start": "03:14:06", "end": "03:14:14", "text": "that I saw one at least one. I know that"}, {"start": "03:14:10", "end": "03:14:17", "text": "there were others. There were 20 I think"}, {"start": "03:14:14", "end": "03:14:20", "text": "24 uh uh six"}, {"start": "03:14:17", "end": "03:14:24", "text": "uh no 30. There were 30 uh environmental"}, {"start": "03:14:20", "end": "03:14:26", "text": "cages or facilities that could house"}, {"start": "03:14:24", "end": "03:14:29", "text": "them. Different types of environment."}, {"start": "03:14:26", "end": "03:14:31", "text": "Some where the extraterrestrials were"}, {"start": "03:14:29", "end": "03:14:35", "text": "breathing a little bit of methane. And"}, {"start": "03:14:31", "end": "03:14:37", "text": "so all this is happening. I know it. And"}, {"start": "03:14:35", "end": "03:14:39", "text": "so we're experimenting trying to figure"}, {"start": "03:14:37", "end": "03:14:42", "text": "out what these things are. We have dead"}, {"start": "03:14:39", "end": "03:14:44", "text": "bodies of them in crash sites. We're"}, {"start": "03:14:42", "end": "03:14:47", "text": "doing autopsies on them. I know that"}, {"start": "03:14:44", "end": "03:14:49", "text": "from people like Kit Green and others uh"}, {"start": "03:14:47", "end": "03:14:51", "text": "that work for the Institute for uh Armed"}, {"start": "03:14:49", "end": "03:14:52", "text": "Force Institute for Pathology."}, {"start": "03:14:51", "end": "03:14:55", "text": ">> Kate Green did autopsies."}, {"start": "03:14:52", "end": "03:14:57", "text": ">> Well, he saw the aftermaths, read"}, {"start": "03:14:55", "end": "03:14:59", "text": "reports."}, {"start": "03:14:57", "end": "03:15:03", "text": "I'll show you a picture of Kit Green to"}, {"start": "03:14:59", "end": "03:15:05", "text": "me here in a afterwards. And um so I"}, {"start": "03:15:03", "end": "03:15:07", "text": "know"}, {"start": "03:15:05", "end": "03:15:09", "text": "what I know and I know that that's what"}, {"start": "03:15:07", "end": "03:15:12", "text": "they're interested in. Now,"}, {"start": "03:15:09", "end": "03:15:13", "text": "technically of what they're doing and"}, {"start": "03:15:12", "end": "03:15:16", "text": "how they're doing it and what they're"}, {"start": "03:15:13", "end": "03:15:17", "text": "doing with it, I don't know. I I I I"}, {"start": "03:15:16", "end": "03:15:19", "text": "wouldn't know. And I don't know what"}, {"start": "03:15:17", "end": "03:15:22", "text": "we're doing with their stuff because I I"}, {"start": "03:15:19", "end": "03:15:24", "text": "don't have a need to know that. And I I"}, {"start": "03:15:22", "end": "03:15:26", "text": "never was in a position to have access"}, {"start": "03:15:24", "end": "03:15:28", "text": "to that type of information."}, {"start": "03:15:26", "end": "03:15:28", "text": ">> No. Well, it's a good guess as any, I"}, {"start": "03:15:28", "end": "03:15:30", "text": "think."}, {"start": "03:15:28", "end": "03:15:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. You know, they want to"}, {"start": "03:15:30", "end": "03:15:34", "text": "know us. They don't want to know why"}, {"start": "03:15:31", "end": "03:15:36", "text": "we're And and again, you look at it in a"}, {"start": "03:15:34", "end": "03:15:38", "text": "different way, the Linda Howell way. And"}, {"start": "03:15:36", "end": "03:15:40", "text": "you know, God bless Linda How. She's"}, {"start": "03:15:38", "end": "03:15:41", "text": "she's a heck of an investigator and been"}, {"start": "03:15:40", "end": "03:15:44", "text": "fantastic for the Lord."}, {"start": "03:15:41", "end": "03:15:48", "text": ">> Uh that that they were they've been here"}, {"start": "03:15:44", "end": "03:15:52", "text": "before us or they put us here. Uh maybe"}, {"start": "03:15:48", "end": "03:15:55", "text": "uh maybe they were here before us. I I"}, {"start": "03:15:52", "end": "03:15:56", "text": "this is Rick Dodie talking only. I"}, {"start": "03:15:55", "end": "03:16:00", "text": "thoroughly believe we had a civilization"}, {"start": "03:15:56", "end": "03:16:03", "text": "on Earth billions of years ago and that"}, {"start": "03:16:00", "end": "03:16:06", "text": "uh we they killed it killed themselves"}, {"start": "03:16:03", "end": "03:16:07", "text": "with nuclear weapons because you can go"}, {"start": "03:16:06", "end": "03:16:10", "text": "to places and I've been there in"}, {"start": "03:16:07", "end": "03:16:13", "text": "Malaysia and one place in Australia"}, {"start": "03:16:10", "end": "03:16:15", "text": "where there's remnants of of radiation"}, {"start": "03:16:13", "end": "03:16:18", "text": "that has gone through their life their"}, {"start": "03:16:15", "end": "03:16:20", "text": "half life and full life which is"}, {"start": "03:16:18", "end": "03:16:22", "text": "millions and and millions of years and"}, {"start": "03:16:20", "end": "03:16:25", "text": "you can find that stuff. Well, we didn't"}, {"start": "03:16:22", "end": "03:16:28", "text": "have radiation nuclear weapons uh"}, {"start": "03:16:25", "end": "03:16:30", "text": "millions and millions of years ago."}, {"start": "03:16:28", "end": "03:16:33", "text": ">> And that couldn't be some type of like a"}, {"start": "03:16:30", "end": "03:16:34", "text": "radiated element like that's like"}, {"start": "03:16:33", "end": "03:16:37", "text": "plutonium or uranium or something."}, {"start": "03:16:34", "end": "03:16:40", "text": ">> I think the experts are saying uh some"}, {"start": "03:16:37", "end": "03:16:44", "text": "of these uh trace elements that they"}, {"start": "03:16:40", "end": "03:16:45", "text": "found were isotopes from uh"}, {"start": "03:16:44", "end": "03:16:47", "text": ">> explosions,"}, {"start": "03:16:45", "end": "03:16:49", "text": ">> ionized radiation that we would have"}, {"start": "03:16:47", "end": "03:16:50", "text": "used in making a nuclear weapon."}, {"start": "03:16:49", "end": "03:16:52", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:16:50", "end": "03:16:56", "text": "Interesting. And so I think at some"}, {"start": "03:16:52", "end": "03:16:58", "text": "point I think there was life on or years"}, {"start": "03:16:56", "end": "03:17:00", "text": "and maybe they went someplace and maybe"}, {"start": "03:16:58", "end": "03:17:02", "text": "they went into another dimension. Maybe"}, {"start": "03:17:00", "end": "03:17:02", "text": "they do live in another dimension"}, {"start": "03:17:02", "end": "03:17:04", "text": ">> underground"}, {"start": "03:17:02", "end": "03:17:05", "text": ">> um or or the bottom of the ocean."}, {"start": "03:17:04", "end": "03:17:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:17:05", "end": "03:17:10", "text": ">> I I have interviewed and I've and"}, {"start": "03:17:08", "end": "03:17:13", "text": "they've been on Gaia interviewed uh"}, {"start": "03:17:10", "end": "03:17:15", "text": "submarine commanders that will swear"}, {"start": "03:17:13", "end": "03:17:16", "text": "that there's civilizations on the bottom"}, {"start": "03:17:15", "end": "03:17:19", "text": "of the ocean."}, {"start": "03:17:16", "end": "03:17:22", "text": "Have you looked into the 4chan"}, {"start": "03:17:19", "end": "03:17:25", "text": "whistleblower as it were? The uh guy who"}, {"start": "03:17:22", "end": "03:17:28", "text": "came out and talked about uh mobile"}, {"start": "03:17:25", "end": "03:17:30", "text": "construction units in the ocean, namely"}, {"start": "03:17:28", "end": "03:17:31", "text": "off the coast of in the Bahamas. In the"}, {"start": "03:17:30", "end": "03:17:33", "text": ">> Bahamas. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:17:31", "end": "03:17:35", "text": ">> Yeah. What do you make of that?"}, {"start": "03:17:33", "end": "03:17:36", "text": ">> That's possible. You know,"}, {"start": "03:17:35", "end": "03:17:40", "text": ">> you've never had any crossover to like"}, {"start": "03:17:36", "end": "03:17:44", "text": "naval intelligence in that regard. One"}, {"start": "03:17:40", "end": "03:17:47", "text": "particular case that I worked was with"}, {"start": "03:17:44", "end": "03:17:50", "text": "naval intelligence"}, {"start": "03:17:47", "end": "03:17:52", "text": "um well no I'm sorry two one the Jamie"}, {"start": "03:17:50", "end": "03:17:54", "text": "Shander stuff"}, {"start": "03:17:52", "end": "03:18:00", "text": ">> that I talked about earlier and then"}, {"start": "03:17:54", "end": "03:18:02", "text": "this other case uh about what this um"}, {"start": "03:18:00", "end": "03:18:05", "text": "this I got to be careful. Yeah, I can"}, {"start": "03:18:02", "end": "03:18:07", "text": "see. Um,"}, {"start": "03:18:05", "end": "03:18:11", "text": "this guy was a crew member on a"}, {"start": "03:18:07", "end": "03:18:14", "text": "submarine uh in the probably 70s. I I I"}, {"start": "03:18:11", "end": "03:18:17", "text": "don't Yeah, it would have been the 70s."}, {"start": "03:18:14", "end": "03:18:21", "text": "Um, they went someplace,"}, {"start": "03:18:17", "end": "03:18:23", "text": "they found something, he took a piece, a"}, {"start": "03:18:21", "end": "03:18:25", "text": "widget,"}, {"start": "03:18:23", "end": "03:18:26", "text": "and he took it and he got out of the"}, {"start": "03:18:25", "end": "03:18:29", "text": "Navy"}, {"start": "03:18:26", "end": "03:18:30", "text": "and he lived in uh Albuquerque, New"}, {"start": "03:18:29", "end": "03:18:32", "text": "Mexico."}, {"start": "03:18:30", "end": "03:18:35", "text": "He worked on Kirtland Air Force Base as"}, {"start": "03:18:32", "end": "03:18:39", "text": "a civilian for a contractor."}, {"start": "03:18:35", "end": "03:18:41", "text": "Um, and he gave this widget to the"}, {"start": "03:18:39", "end": "03:18:43", "text": "contractor to try to figure out what it"}, {"start": "03:18:41", "end": "03:18:45", "text": "was."}, {"start": "03:18:43", "end": "03:18:47", "text": "And naval intelligence had gotten"}, {"start": "03:18:45", "end": "03:18:50", "text": "information. I can't go into all that,"}, {"start": "03:18:47", "end": "03:18:52", "text": "but they they they knew all about this."}, {"start": "03:18:50", "end": "03:18:54", "text": "And they came to Albuquerque and said,"}, {"start": "03:18:52", "end": "03:18:57", "text": "\"We need to go find this guy. We need to"}, {"start": "03:18:54", "end": "03:18:58", "text": "go, you know, pull him in. Um, we need"}, {"start": "03:18:57", "end": "03:19:00", "text": "to get the FBI involved because he's a"}, {"start": "03:18:58", "end": "03:19:02", "text": "civilian now.\" I said, \"Okay, well, you"}, {"start": "03:19:00", "end": "03:19:03", "text": "know, we're federal agents and we could"}, {"start": "03:19:02", "end": "03:19:05", "text": "still do things, but we always like to"}, {"start": "03:19:03", "end": "03:19:07", "text": "have FBI with us, especially if it"}, {"start": "03:19:05", "end": "03:19:08", "text": "involves espionage because that's their"}, {"start": "03:19:07", "end": "03:19:10", "text": "Billy Wick.\""}, {"start": "03:19:08", "end": "03:19:14", "text": ">> So, you know, we I get Jerry Brown and"}, {"start": "03:19:10", "end": "03:19:17", "text": "the guy I interface with the FBI. We go"}, {"start": "03:19:14", "end": "03:19:20", "text": "we uh go out to the base, I mean, yeah,"}, {"start": "03:19:17", "end": "03:19:23", "text": "to the base, the contract office. I"}, {"start": "03:19:20", "end": "03:19:25", "text": "can't tell you the contractor. And he is"}, {"start": "03:19:23", "end": "03:19:28", "text": "there. We walk in and he's standing"}, {"start": "03:19:25", "end": "03:19:31", "text": "there in front of us. uh just happened"}, {"start": "03:19:28", "end": "03:19:32", "text": "to be walking out of this lab and we"}, {"start": "03:19:31", "end": "03:19:34", "text": "called him by name and I said, \"Are you"}, {"start": "03:19:32", "end": "03:19:38", "text": "so and so?\" And you know, we all pull"}, {"start": "03:19:34", "end": "03:19:41", "text": "out our credentials, FBI, is OSI,"}, {"start": "03:19:38", "end": "03:19:43", "text": "NCIS or NIS. Uh we need to talk to you."}, {"start": "03:19:41", "end": "03:19:45", "text": "He said, \"They got it inside there. It's"}, {"start": "03:19:43", "end": "03:19:47", "text": "over there.\" That's what he said. That's"}, {"start": "03:19:45", "end": "03:19:50", "text": "his first words."}, {"start": "03:19:47", "end": "03:19:51", "text": "So, and I says, \"Well, that's not good"}, {"start": "03:19:50", "end": "03:19:53", "text": "enough. Come on in here.\" So we went"}, {"start": "03:19:51", "end": "03:19:56", "text": "into the little office in the coffee"}, {"start": "03:19:53", "end": "03:19:58", "text": "shop area and talked to him and and he"}, {"start": "03:19:56", "end": "03:19:59", "text": "and and then we took him over to the OSI"}, {"start": "03:19:58", "end": "03:20:00", "text": "office and then they did all the"}, {"start": "03:19:59", "end": "03:20:02", "text": "interrogation and stuff that So that's"}, {"start": "03:20:00", "end": "03:20:03", "text": "the case."}, {"start": "03:20:02", "end": "03:20:05", "text": ">> What happened to the widget?"}, {"start": "03:20:03", "end": "03:20:07", "text": ">> Um the government took it. Well, no, you"}, {"start": "03:20:05", "end": "03:20:08", "text": "know what? I think they just kept it"}, {"start": "03:20:07", "end": "03:20:09", "text": "there at that lab because they're"}, {"start": "03:20:08", "end": "03:20:11", "text": "cleared for it."}, {"start": "03:20:09", "end": "03:20:11", "text": ">> Oh yeah, the lab is already"}, {"start": "03:20:11", "end": "03:20:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:20:11", "end": "03:20:16", "text": ">> So they just probably created some"}, {"start": "03:20:14", "end": "03:20:18", "text": ">> whatever the widget was. They are trying"}, {"start": "03:20:16", "end": "03:20:20", "text": "to figure out what the widget was. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:20:18", "end": "03:20:22", "text": "That's the only other case that I worked"}, {"start": "03:20:20", "end": "03:20:24", "text": "with the naval intelligence on."}, {"start": "03:20:22", "end": "03:20:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, it's interesting too because"}, {"start": "03:20:24", "end": "03:20:27", "text": "you have you have stories of the naval"}, {"start": "03:20:26", "end": "03:20:30", "text": "the department of naval intelligence as"}, {"start": "03:20:27", "end": "03:20:32", "text": "well, not just the office of naval"}, {"start": "03:20:30", "end": "03:20:34", "text": "intelligence. And the department comes"}, {"start": "03:20:32", "end": "03:20:36", "text": "up with, you know, Bob Lazar and it"}, {"start": "03:20:34", "end": "03:20:38", "text": "comes up a few other places. I know John"}, {"start": "03:20:36", "end": "03:20:40", "text": "Stewart had done some due diligence on,"}, {"start": "03:20:38", "end": "03:20:42", "text": "you know, finding other instances of"}, {"start": "03:20:40", "end": "03:20:44", "text": "that being mentioned, right? Uh, have"}, {"start": "03:20:42", "end": "03:20:46", "text": "you ever run into the department of off"}, {"start": "03:20:44", "end": "03:20:48", "text": "of naval intelligence? Never."}, {"start": "03:20:46", "end": "03:20:51", "text": ">> No. Office of Naval Intelligence. only"}, {"start": "03:20:48", "end": "03:20:54", "text": "thing that I ever ran into. And and it"}, {"start": "03:20:51", "end": "03:20:56", "text": "other than those two cases, I'm sorry,"}, {"start": "03:20:54", "end": "03:20:58", "text": "there was one other case where we were"}, {"start": "03:20:56", "end": "03:21:02", "text": "uh No, it didn't have anything to do"}, {"start": "03:20:58", "end": "03:21:04", "text": "with uh your was an espionage case and"}, {"start": "03:21:02", "end": "03:21:06", "text": "uh O and I was involved in that and we"}, {"start": "03:21:04", "end": "03:21:07", "text": "interfaced a little bit with that."}, {"start": "03:21:06", "end": "03:21:09", "text": ">> Yeah. But never the department. No. You"}, {"start": "03:21:07", "end": "03:21:11", "text": "never heard of it?"}, {"start": "03:21:09", "end": "03:21:11", "text": ">> No, not during my time. I never heard of"}, {"start": "03:21:11", "end": "03:21:12", "text": "it."}, {"start": "03:21:11", "end": "03:21:14", "text": ">> Not during your time, but afterwards"}, {"start": "03:21:12", "end": "03:21:17", "text": "you'd heard of it because heard through"}, {"start": "03:21:14", "end": "03:21:18", "text": "Bob Lazar and everything else. Okay."}, {"start": "03:21:17", "end": "03:21:20", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "03:21:18", "end": "03:21:22", "text": "okay."}, {"start": "03:21:20", "end": "03:21:24", "text": ">> Oh, one more thing. Uh, I'm gonna"}, {"start": "03:21:22", "end": "03:21:25", "text": ">> I'm going to bring up some questions. We"}, {"start": "03:21:24", "end": "03:21:26", "text": "have audience questions that we like to"}, {"start": "03:21:25", "end": "03:21:28", "text": "bring up."}, {"start": "03:21:26", "end": "03:21:30", "text": ">> Uh, they were, you know, told of your"}, {"start": "03:21:28", "end": "03:21:32", "text": "arrival 12 hours ago and they had a"}, {"start": "03:21:30", "end": "03:21:34", "text": "limited time to ask questions, but"}, {"start": "03:21:32", "end": "03:21:36", "text": ">> you know, the question board filled up"}, {"start": "03:21:34", "end": "03:21:37", "text": "as you can imagine."}, {"start": "03:21:36", "end": "03:21:38", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "03:21:37", "end": "03:21:40", "text": ">> I [clears throat] bet."}, {"start": "03:21:38", "end": "03:21:42", "text": ">> Yeah. But uh before we get there, I"}, {"start": "03:21:40", "end": "03:21:44", "text": "wanted to I wanted to ask you about uh"}, {"start": "03:21:42", "end": "03:21:46", "text": "Lou Alzando."}, {"start": "03:21:44", "end": "03:21:48", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "03:21:46", "end": "03:21:50", "text": "there was mentioned some Space Force"}, {"start": "03:21:48", "end": "03:21:51", "text": "talk that you had run into Lou there. Is"}, {"start": "03:21:50", "end": "03:21:56", "text": "that accurate?"}, {"start": "03:21:51", "end": "03:22:00", "text": ">> Yeah, he he called me a long time ago uh"}, {"start": "03:21:56", "end": "03:22:03", "text": "um in 2021 or 22 and we talked on the"}, {"start": "03:22:00", "end": "03:22:06", "text": "phone and he was wondering if I he asked"}, {"start": "03:22:03", "end": "03:22:08", "text": "me if I was still working and I said no,"}, {"start": "03:22:06", "end": "03:22:11", "text": "which I wasn't. I I I I was I mean other"}, {"start": "03:22:08", "end": "03:22:13", "text": "than the Z's and Gaia and things and he"}, {"start": "03:22:11", "end": "03:22:15", "text": "said uh you would you'd be interested in"}, {"start": "03:22:13", "end": "03:22:20", "text": "working for uh Space Force and in"}, {"start": "03:22:15", "end": "03:22:22", "text": "counter intelligence office. I said what"}, {"start": "03:22:20", "end": "03:22:22", "text": "and I don't know who he is. Okay. I"}, {"start": "03:22:22", "end": "03:22:23", "text": "didn't know"}, {"start": "03:22:22", "end": "03:22:26", "text": ">> at that point. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:22:23", "end": "03:22:30", "text": ">> I said no I'm not interested. I said I"}, {"start": "03:22:26", "end": "03:22:32", "text": "know a colonel up there. And I said did"}, {"start": "03:22:30", "end": "03:22:36", "text": "he give you my name? He said well I"}, {"start": "03:22:32", "end": "03:22:38", "text": "can't say that. And uh so that was it."}, {"start": "03:22:36", "end": "03:22:40", "text": "And then a another person from the Space"}, {"start": "03:22:38", "end": "03:22:43", "text": "Force called me, you know, weeks later"}, {"start": "03:22:40", "end": "03:22:45", "text": "or something and asked me about uh"}, {"start": "03:22:43", "end": "03:22:48", "text": "working uh if I was interested in doing"}, {"start": "03:22:45", "end": "03:22:50", "text": "some field work if I could still get my"}, {"start": "03:22:48", "end": "03:22:52", "text": "security clearance back. He said, \"I I"}, {"start": "03:22:50", "end": "03:22:56", "text": "understand you spoke with and he gave me"}, {"start": "03:22:52", "end": "03:22:59", "text": "a name of somebody.\" Well, this was a"}, {"start": "03:22:56", "end": "03:23:02", "text": "2022, I'm sorry. Uh I said, \"Yeah, I"}, {"start": "03:22:59", "end": "03:23:04", "text": "just was up there in in January 2022. I"}, {"start": "03:23:02", "end": "03:23:08", "text": "was called up to Washington to the"}, {"start": "03:23:04", "end": "03:23:10", "text": "defense uh uh IG's office. Uh they"}, {"start": "03:23:08", "end": "03:23:15", "text": "wanted to talk to me about some of the"}, {"start": "03:23:10", "end": "03:23:16", "text": "cases I ran uh as an OSI agent. And I"}, {"start": "03:23:15", "end": "03:23:20", "text": "said, \"Sure.\" You know, \"Do I get my"}, {"start": "03:23:16", "end": "03:23:22", "text": "security clearance back?\" Uh"}, {"start": "03:23:20", "end": "03:23:24", "text": "oops. And I said, he said, \"Yeah, yeah,"}, {"start": "03:23:22", "end": "03:23:27", "text": "yeah, you can talk about it.\" And they"}, {"start": "03:23:24", "end": "03:23:29", "text": "gave me a report. They passed a report"}, {"start": "03:23:27", "end": "03:23:32", "text": "to me"}, {"start": "03:23:29", "end": "03:23:34", "text": "and the report is heavily redacted. He"}, {"start": "03:23:32", "end": "03:23:36", "text": "said, ' Do you do you recognize this"}, {"start": "03:23:34", "end": "03:23:38", "text": "report? And I'm looking at it and I go"}, {"start": "03:23:36", "end": "03:23:42", "text": "and I look and I said, \"Yeah, that's a"}, {"start": "03:23:38", "end": "03:23:43", "text": "report I did in in 1981.\" But I said, \"I"}, {"start": "03:23:42", "end": "03:23:46", "text": "don't remember everything in here. Do"}, {"start": "03:23:43", "end": "03:23:48", "text": "you got one that's not redacted?\" He"}, {"start": "03:23:46", "end": "03:23:50", "text": "said, \"No, SI won't give it to us. It's"}, {"start": "03:23:48", "end": "03:23:51", "text": "still classified.\" I said, \"Why are you"}, {"start": "03:23:50", "end": "03:23:54", "text": "giving me this?\" He said, \"We just need"}, {"start": "03:23:51", "end": "03:23:57", "text": "to know about it.\" I said, 'Well, I"}, {"start": "03:23:54", "end": "03:23:59", "text": "could tell you what I remember. It's"}, {"start": "03:23:57", "end": "03:24:01", "text": "nothing about what we've spoken here."}, {"start": "03:23:59", "end": "03:24:05", "text": "And I I told him what I could could"}, {"start": "03:24:01", "end": "03:24:07", "text": "remember. Well, then in uh that person's"}, {"start": "03:24:05", "end": "03:24:10", "text": "name was given to me from that person"}, {"start": "03:24:07", "end": "03:24:13", "text": "from Space Force and and and I can't I"}, {"start": "03:24:10", "end": "03:24:15", "text": "went back there in September of 2022 and"}, {"start": "03:24:13", "end": "03:24:17", "text": "they had an unredacted report that I"}, {"start": "03:24:15", "end": "03:24:20", "text": "talked to him about. So,"}, {"start": "03:24:17", "end": "03:24:23", "text": "that's uh that's that's all. And I never"}, {"start": "03:24:20", "end": "03:24:25", "text": "worked for Space Force. I never promised"}, {"start": "03:24:23", "end": "03:24:30", "text": "to work for Space Force. So, yeah."}, {"start": "03:24:25", "end": "03:24:33", "text": ">> What's Space Force's interest in wanting"}, {"start": "03:24:30", "end": "03:24:35", "text": "to work uh in in in wanting to hire you"}, {"start": "03:24:33", "end": "03:24:37", "text": "potentially for counter intelligence?"}, {"start": "03:24:35", "end": "03:24:39", "text": ">> I never got that far,"}, {"start": "03:24:37", "end": "03:24:44", "text": ">> but I mean, you you can surmise. Well, I"}, {"start": "03:24:39", "end": "03:24:47", "text": "think I think they want they wanted to"}, {"start": "03:24:44", "end": "03:24:50", "text": "uh contract me to do what I did before"}, {"start": "03:24:47", "end": "03:24:51", "text": "as a contractor uh and um"}, {"start": "03:24:50", "end": "03:24:53", "text": ">> cover up UFO stuff."}, {"start": "03:24:51", "end": "03:24:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Spy on people"}, {"start": "03:24:53", "end": "03:24:54", "text": ">> for UFO."}, {"start": "03:24:54", "end": "03:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:24:54", "end": "03:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah. [snorts]"}, {"start": "03:24:56", "end": "03:24:58", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:24:56", "end": "03:24:58", "text": ">> That's what I think. Again, I don't"}, {"start": "03:24:58", "end": "03:25:00", "text": "know."}, {"start": "03:24:58", "end": "03:25:01", "text": ">> I can assume that too because otherwise,"}, {"start": "03:25:00", "end": "03:25:02", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "03:25:01", "end": "03:25:04", "text": ">> why would they want me?"}, {"start": "03:25:02", "end": "03:25:06", "text": ">> Go get someone who's, you know, uh green"}, {"start": "03:25:04", "end": "03:25:07", "text": "around the gills or whatever and you"}, {"start": "03:25:06", "end": "03:25:09", "text": "know."}, {"start": "03:25:07", "end": "03:25:10", "text": ">> Um yeah. So that's really interesting."}, {"start": "03:25:09", "end": "03:25:12", "text": "And what are these here? We have project"}, {"start": "03:25:10", "end": "03:25:14", "text": "capstone white, auburn blue, medlap"}, {"start": "03:25:12", "end": "03:25:17", "text": "star, candid sky."}, {"start": "03:25:14", "end": "03:25:20", "text": ">> Those are all cases that I"}, {"start": "03:25:17", "end": "03:25:22", "text": "uh briefly spoke about here"}, {"start": "03:25:20", "end": "03:25:23", "text": ">> during Okay. You can't say which one is"}, {"start": "03:25:22", "end": "03:25:25", "text": "which."}, {"start": "03:25:23", "end": "03:25:27", "text": ">> No. And these are all the cases."}, {"start": "03:25:25", "end": "03:25:29", "text": ">> Those are all the case files that I did"}, {"start": "03:25:27", "end": "03:25:31", "text": ">> that we can foyer that you've that"}, {"start": "03:25:29", "end": "03:25:32", "text": ">> I'll tell you I tell you that's been on"}, {"start": "03:25:31", "end": "03:25:35", "text": "the internet for Yeah."}, {"start": "03:25:32", "end": "03:25:38", "text": ">> about four years and a million people's"}, {"start": "03:25:35", "end": "03:25:41", "text": "foyer. In fact, the Foya monitor of a a"}, {"start": "03:25:38", "end": "03:25:42", "text": "woman uh F I think her name is Fton Noi"}, {"start": "03:25:41", "end": "03:25:45", "text": "called me up and said, \"You don't know"}, {"start": "03:25:42", "end": "03:25:47", "text": "what you've done.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "03:25:45", "end": "03:25:50", "text": ">> I said, \"Uh,"}, {"start": "03:25:47", "end": "03:25:52", "text": ">> well, you'll get some, but they're"}, {"start": "03:25:50", "end": "03:25:54", "text": "heavily redacted, of course.\" In fact,"}, {"start": "03:25:52", "end": "03:25:58", "text": "this one here,"}, {"start": "03:25:54", "end": "03:26:00", "text": "uh, 82 is it right here?"}, {"start": "03:25:58", "end": "03:26:03", "text": ">> You You can get that one. It's 87 page"}, {"start": "03:26:00", "end": "03:26:05", "text": "of nothing. There's not even the page"}, {"start": "03:26:03", "end": "03:26:06", "text": "numbers are releasable."}, {"start": "03:26:05", "end": "03:26:07", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "03:26:06", "end": "03:26:08", "text": ">> Which is stupid."}, {"start": "03:26:07", "end": "03:26:11", "text": ">> It's just all redacted."}, {"start": "03:26:08", "end": "03:26:13", "text": ">> It's all redacted. And and I'd say that"}, {"start": "03:26:11", "end": "03:26:16", "text": "one probably"}, {"start": "03:26:13", "end": "03:26:17", "text": ">> is should be redacted."}, {"start": "03:26:16", "end": "03:26:19", "text": ">> But Oh, really?"}, {"start": "03:26:17", "end": "03:26:20", "text": ">> There's some that are redacted that are"}, {"start": "03:26:19", "end": "03:26:22", "text": " They should"}, {"start": "03:26:20", "end": "03:26:23", "text": ">> Wait, why should that one be redacted?"}, {"start": "03:26:22", "end": "03:26:27", "text": "because it involves something very very"}, {"start": "03:26:23", "end": "03:26:30", "text": "very sensitive and and it would disclose"}, {"start": "03:26:27", "end": "03:26:32", "text": "sources and methods and it would uh"}, {"start": "03:26:30", "end": "03:26:34", "text": "national security"}, {"start": "03:26:32", "end": "03:26:36", "text": ">> and it has to do with aliens"}, {"start": "03:26:34", "end": "03:26:38", "text": ">> definitely. Whoa."}, {"start": "03:26:36", "end": "03:26:41", "text": ">> So, are we talking treaty level stuff?"}, {"start": "03:26:38", "end": "03:26:42", "text": ">> I don't know about treaties, but um I"}, {"start": "03:26:41", "end": "03:26:44", "text": "don't believe in we ever had a treaty"}, {"start": "03:26:42", "end": "03:26:49", "text": "with him, but that's me. But there's"}, {"start": "03:26:44", "end": "03:26:51", "text": "some here that are are redacted that"}, {"start": "03:26:49", "end": "03:26:53", "text": "should never be redacted. I mean, maybe."}, {"start": "03:26:51", "end": "03:26:56", "text": "Yeah. Sightings and that. Yeah. But some"}, {"start": "03:26:53", "end": "03:26:58", "text": "of the things that pilots, most of that"}, {"start": "03:26:56", "end": "03:27:00", "text": "stuff, a lot of that, not most of it,"}, {"start": "03:26:58", "end": "03:27:00", "text": "some of it involves pilots."}, {"start": "03:27:00", "end": "03:27:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:27:00", "end": "03:27:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "03:27:02", "end": "03:27:06", "text": ">> pilots flying uh classified missions."}, {"start": "03:27:05", "end": "03:27:09", "text": ">> Oh, I see."}, {"start": "03:27:06", "end": "03:27:11", "text": ">> Seeing UFOs and the fact that their"}, {"start": "03:27:09", "end": "03:27:14", "text": "mission was classified,"}, {"start": "03:27:11", "end": "03:27:16", "text": "uh you can't talk about that. And they"}, {"start": "03:27:14", "end": "03:27:18", "text": "they had a close encount or they had a"}, {"start": "03:27:16", "end": "03:27:20", "text": ">> Yeah. you know, they saw the UFO, it"}, {"start": "03:27:18", "end": "03:27:22", "text": "chased them or they chased it or they"}, {"start": "03:27:20", "end": "03:27:24", "text": "shot it down or there was there's chew"}, {"start": "03:27:22", "end": "03:27:27", "text": "in there where they actually shot down"}, {"start": "03:27:24", "end": "03:27:31", "text": "something, but it mended itself and it"}, {"start": "03:27:27", "end": "03:27:34", "text": "flew back. It was like uh"}, {"start": "03:27:31", "end": "03:27:36", "text": "uh this this is way before Transformers"}, {"start": "03:27:34", "end": "03:27:38", "text": "sure movie ever came out,"}, {"start": "03:27:36", "end": "03:27:40", "text": ">> but you had I mean, you know, I at a as"}, {"start": "03:27:38", "end": "03:27:43", "text": "a kid I had one of those, you know,"}, {"start": "03:27:40", "end": "03:27:44", "text": ">> and um this this pilot, and I can't go"}, {"start": "03:27:43", "end": "03:27:49", "text": "into great details, was flying a"}, {"start": "03:27:44", "end": "03:27:53", "text": "classified mission and he's he's"}, {"start": "03:27:49", "end": "03:27:55", "text": "covering for this other aircraft and um"}, {"start": "03:27:53", "end": "03:27:57", "text": "if this is in the United States, they're"}, {"start": "03:27:55", "end": "03:28:01", "text": "I can tell you they're flying out of the"}, {"start": "03:27:57", "end": "03:28:05", "text": "Groom Lake area and this thing comes up."}, {"start": "03:28:01", "end": "03:28:08", "text": "A flying saucer comes up and almost hits"}, {"start": "03:28:05", "end": "03:28:11", "text": "his cockpit. I mean, his canopy almost"}, {"start": "03:28:08", "end": "03:28:13", "text": "just goes right over it. It really"}, {"start": "03:28:11", "end": "03:28:16", "text": "pisses him off. So, he banks and he goes"}, {"start": "03:28:13", "end": "03:28:20", "text": "after it and he's protecting this other"}, {"start": "03:28:16", "end": "03:28:22", "text": "flying highly classified craft. And it"}, {"start": "03:28:20", "end": "03:28:24", "text": "goes down and he goes down and shoots"}, {"start": "03:28:22", "end": "03:28:26", "text": "it. He shoots at it with this side"}, {"start": "03:28:24", "end": "03:28:29", "text": "winder missile,"}, {"start": "03:28:26", "end": "03:28:32", "text": "two of them, and it hits it and it"}, {"start": "03:28:29", "end": "03:28:35", "text": "crashes. Now, he's in a jet, so he can't"}, {"start": "03:28:32", "end": "03:28:37", "text": "obviously land. So, he's circling it."}, {"start": "03:28:35", "end": "03:28:40", "text": "And this thing, he says it repaired"}, {"start": "03:28:37", "end": "03:28:42", "text": "itself and it flew away."}, {"start": "03:28:40", "end": "03:28:44", "text": "And it reminded me of the Transformer,"}, {"start": "03:28:42", "end": "03:28:45", "text": "you know, movies. Yeah, I like those"}, {"start": "03:28:44", "end": "03:28:47", "text": "things."}, {"start": "03:28:45", "end": "03:28:50", "text": ">> But, but something like that was in that"}, {"start": "03:28:47", "end": "03:28:53", "text": "report. And yeah, I guess that that"}, {"start": "03:28:50", "end": "03:28:55", "text": "would be classified. um the the details"}, {"start": "03:28:53", "end": "03:28:56", "text": "and there's a lot more to that that I"}, {"start": "03:28:55", "end": "03:28:57", "text": "can't talk about."}, {"start": "03:28:56", "end": "03:28:59", "text": ">> There's a is there a lot of alien"}, {"start": "03:28:57", "end": "03:29:01", "text": "encounters in these?"}, {"start": "03:28:59", "end": "03:29:02", "text": ">> Uh a few"}, {"start": "03:29:01", "end": "03:29:05", "text": ">> there's a few"}, {"start": "03:29:02", "end": "03:29:07", "text": ">> there's there's one that's that's uh"}, {"start": "03:29:05", "end": "03:29:10", "text": "probably the best"}, {"start": "03:29:07", "end": "03:29:11", "text": ">> story is uh you want to hear it?"}, {"start": "03:29:10", "end": "03:29:14", "text": ">> Yeah, please."}, {"start": "03:29:11", "end": "03:29:16", "text": ">> This Air Force pilot [clears throat]"}, {"start": "03:29:14", "end": "03:29:18", "text": "loves fishing. So, he's up in a lake,"}, {"start": "03:29:16", "end": "03:29:21", "text": "northern Mexico, lakes all over the"}, {"start": "03:29:18", "end": "03:29:24", "text": "place. Uh, fishing. Uh, just him. He's"}, {"start": "03:29:21", "end": "03:29:26", "text": "camping, too. He he sets up his tent"}, {"start": "03:29:24", "end": "03:29:28", "text": "and, you know, he's camping. It's"}, {"start": "03:29:26", "end": "03:29:31", "text": "there's a stream and then there's a"}, {"start": "03:29:28", "end": "03:29:33", "text": "lake, very small lake. And he's fishing"}, {"start": "03:29:31", "end": "03:29:35", "text": "and there's a clearing. Uh, he's in a"}, {"start": "03:29:33", "end": "03:29:40", "text": "very wooded area except for the lake."}, {"start": "03:29:35", "end": "03:29:42", "text": "And then off to his uh north uh yeah,"}, {"start": "03:29:40", "end": "03:29:44", "text": "northwood is a clearing. And one morning"}, {"start": "03:29:42", "end": "03:29:47", "text": "he gets up and he eats his breakfast and"}, {"start": "03:29:44", "end": "03:29:51", "text": "he goes and throws pole in and he's he"}, {"start": "03:29:47", "end": "03:29:53", "text": "he hears a sound. He he says, \"I've"}, {"start": "03:29:51", "end": "03:29:55", "text": "never heard the sound before.\" He said,"}, {"start": "03:29:53", "end": "03:29:57", "text": "\"It's like a pulsating"}, {"start": "03:29:55", "end": "03:30:00", "text": "b"}, {"start": "03:29:57", "end": "03:30:03", "text": "sound.\" And he looks and looks. He"}, {"start": "03:30:00", "end": "03:30:06", "text": "thought something. It's like something's"}, {"start": "03:30:03", "end": "03:30:08", "text": "shooting down something. Maybe a pulse"}, {"start": "03:30:06", "end": "03:30:10", "text": "ray or something. And that's what he's"}, {"start": "03:30:08", "end": "03:30:17", "text": "thinking. He's a pilot. He's an air"}, {"start": "03:30:10", "end": "03:30:17", "text": "force. uh uh pilot. He flies F F"}, {"start": "03:30:17", "end": "03:30:23", "text": "A A A A A A A A A A7DS"}, {"start": "03:30:19", "end": "03:30:25", "text": "as jets. Yep. And um so then he sees it"}, {"start": "03:30:23", "end": "03:30:28", "text": "and it starts to come down and it's pul"}, {"start": "03:30:25", "end": "03:30:30", "text": "something's pulsating under it. This is"}, {"start": "03:30:28", "end": "03:30:32", "text": "flying saucers."}, {"start": "03:30:30", "end": "03:30:36", "text": ">> So he immediately goes over and he has a"}, {"start": "03:30:32", "end": "03:30:36", "text": "camera. In fact, one of those uh"}, {"start": "03:30:36", "end": "03:30:39", "text": ">> Polaroid"}, {"start": "03:30:36", "end": "03:30:41", "text": ">> polar caneras he has in his in his tent"}, {"start": "03:30:39", "end": "03:30:42", "text": "because he always takes pictures of his"}, {"start": "03:30:41", "end": "03:30:44", "text": "fish."}, {"start": "03:30:42", "end": "03:30:47", "text": "He gets his Polaroid camera and he comes"}, {"start": "03:30:44", "end": "03:30:50", "text": "out because he's he then he drops his P."}, {"start": "03:30:47", "end": "03:30:54", "text": "He goes over to the clearing to the tree"}, {"start": "03:30:50", "end": "03:30:58", "text": "line to take pictures of this and he"}, {"start": "03:30:54", "end": "03:31:01", "text": "said from the tent to the tree line is"}, {"start": "03:30:58", "end": "03:31:04", "text": "maybe 60 70 yards, you know."}, {"start": "03:31:01", "end": "03:31:07", "text": ">> Mhm. He gets over and he's waiting and"}, {"start": "03:31:04", "end": "03:31:09", "text": "he starts taking pictures and next thing"}, {"start": "03:31:07", "end": "03:31:12", "text": "you know there's two beans right next to"}, {"start": "03:31:09", "end": "03:31:15", "text": "him. He says scared him. He dropped his"}, {"start": "03:31:12", "end": "03:31:18", "text": "camera and these things were like 7 foot"}, {"start": "03:31:15", "end": "03:31:20", "text": "tall. They had helmets on. He couldn't"}, {"start": "03:31:18", "end": "03:31:22", "text": "see their face. And he goes into the"}, {"start": "03:31:20", "end": "03:31:24", "text": "whole details of of what they did and"}, {"start": "03:31:22", "end": "03:31:26", "text": "and he thought, \"Oh my god, they're"}, {"start": "03:31:24", "end": "03:31:27", "text": "going to abduct me.\" That's what he's"}, {"start": "03:31:26", "end": "03:31:30", "text": "thinking. Now, this is interesting"}, {"start": "03:31:27", "end": "03:31:34", "text": "because"}, {"start": "03:31:30", "end": "03:31:37", "text": "he wasn't briefed into UFOs. I mean, of"}, {"start": "03:31:34", "end": "03:31:38", "text": "what a pilot would normally get training"}, {"start": "03:31:37", "end": "03:31:39", "text": "and they do to get some of that."}, {"start": "03:31:38", "end": "03:31:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:31:39", "end": "03:31:44", "text": ">> He didn't know about UF abductions, but"}, {"start": "03:31:42", "end": "03:31:47", "text": "that came into his mind"}, {"start": "03:31:44", "end": "03:31:49", "text": ">> and that was interesting the interview"}, {"start": "03:31:47", "end": "03:31:52", "text": "and inter interrogation later about why"}, {"start": "03:31:49", "end": "03:31:55", "text": "he thought that. But anyways,"}, {"start": "03:31:52", "end": "03:31:57", "text": "he he looks and and these things are and"}, {"start": "03:31:55", "end": "03:31:59", "text": "then he starts hearing voices in his"}, {"start": "03:31:57", "end": "03:32:02", "text": "head and he thought, \"They're"}, {"start": "03:31:59", "end": "03:32:05", "text": "communicating with me.\" So he sits down"}, {"start": "03:32:02", "end": "03:32:08", "text": "and he he never could explain why he sat"}, {"start": "03:32:05", "end": "03:32:10", "text": "down, but he sat down on the ground and"}, {"start": "03:32:08", "end": "03:32:13", "text": "he doesn't know how long this occurred,"}, {"start": "03:32:10", "end": "03:32:16", "text": "but he when he w when he woke up, he was"}, {"start": "03:32:13", "end": "03:32:18", "text": "in his sleeping bag in his tent."}, {"start": "03:32:16", "end": "03:32:20", "text": ">> It was dark."}, {"start": "03:32:18", "end": "03:32:23", "text": "He knows that he got up at 7 in the"}, {"start": "03:32:20", "end": "03:32:25", "text": "morning. He knows he made breakfast and"}, {"start": "03:32:23", "end": "03:32:28", "text": "and and had a campfire and then he went"}, {"start": "03:32:25", "end": "03:32:29", "text": "fishing and it was like 15 or 20 minutes"}, {"start": "03:32:28", "end": "03:32:30", "text": "after he started fishing that this"}, {"start": "03:32:29", "end": "03:32:34", "text": "happened. So he figured it was about"}, {"start": "03:32:30", "end": "03:32:37", "text": "8:30 in the morning and when he looked"}, {"start": "03:32:34", "end": "03:32:38", "text": "at his clock it was 21:30"}, {"start": "03:32:37", "end": "03:32:40", "text": "9:30"}, {"start": "03:32:38", "end": "03:32:43", "text": "p.m."}, {"start": "03:32:40", "end": "03:32:46", "text": ">> He doesn't know what happened and he"}, {"start": "03:32:43", "end": "03:32:49", "text": "he was it scared him. He goes over to"}, {"start": "03:32:46", "end": "03:32:50", "text": "the tree line where he dropped his"}, {"start": "03:32:49", "end": "03:32:53", "text": "camera. Polar, it was still there. Polar"}, {"start": "03:32:50", "end": "03:32:56", "text": "was still there. And he knew he took two"}, {"start": "03:32:53", "end": "03:32:58", "text": "pictures of the craft."}, {"start": "03:32:56", "end": "03:33:01", "text": "He thought he had taken one of them."}, {"start": "03:32:58", "end": "03:33:03", "text": "Well, the pictures of the craft was on"}, {"start": "03:33:01", "end": "03:33:04", "text": "that were there. You know, they you know"}, {"start": "03:33:03", "end": "03:33:05", "text": "how they pop out and they're on the"}, {"start": "03:33:04", "end": "03:33:07", "text": "ground."}, {"start": "03:33:05", "end": "03:33:11", "text": ">> One had been, you know, when you don't"}, {"start": "03:33:07", "end": "03:33:14", "text": "take the Yeah. It kind of smudges. One"}, {"start": "03:33:11", "end": "03:33:14", "text": "was unrecognizable, but one wasn't"}, {"start": "03:33:14", "end": "03:33:17", "text": ">> very clear."}, {"start": "03:33:14", "end": "03:33:20", "text": ">> Very clear. Well, he comes into the OS"}, {"start": "03:33:17", "end": "03:33:22", "text": "he calls the OSI office uh Monday. Uh"}, {"start": "03:33:20", "end": "03:33:24", "text": "this this happened on a I think a"}, {"start": "03:33:22", "end": "03:33:27", "text": "Sunday, Saturday or Sunday. Uh he calls"}, {"start": "03:33:24", "end": "03:33:29", "text": "the OSI office. He said, \"I need to come"}, {"start": "03:33:27", "end": "03:33:31", "text": "in to talk to somebody.\" And this is"}, {"start": "03:33:29", "end": "03:33:33", "text": "what he said. All our phones are calls"}, {"start": "03:33:31", "end": "03:33:35", "text": "are recorded. And there's just a clerk"}, {"start": "03:33:33", "end": "03:33:38", "text": "that takes the call, the secretary. It's"}, {"start": "03:33:35", "end": "03:33:42", "text": "not agent. I need to come in and talk to"}, {"start": "03:33:38", "end": "03:33:44", "text": "somebody that uh handles UFOs. That's or"}, {"start": "03:33:42", "end": "03:33:47", "text": "flying saucers."}, {"start": "03:33:44", "end": "03:33:52", "text": "And secretary says, \"Uh, okay. Uh, what"}, {"start": "03:33:47", "end": "03:33:54", "text": "happened? I I I think I I I was abducted"}, {"start": "03:33:52", "end": "03:33:56", "text": "and I need to talk to somebody. I'm a"}, {"start": "03:33:54", "end": "03:33:58", "text": "captain in United States Air Force.\" And"}, {"start": "03:33:56", "end": "03:34:02", "text": "she said, \"Well, just a minute.\" So, she"}, {"start": "03:33:58", "end": "03:34:03", "text": "puts on the agent that's duty agent, not"}, {"start": "03:34:02", "end": "03:34:07", "text": "not a counter intelligence."}, {"start": "03:34:03", "end": "03:34:10", "text": ">> Oh, okay. So the that agent then I'm in"}, {"start": "03:34:07", "end": "03:34:12", "text": "I just get to the office and uh I just"}, {"start": "03:34:10", "end": "03:34:14", "text": "sit down and I'm in a secure area takes"}, {"start": "03:34:12", "end": "03:34:18", "text": "me back you know I had to unlock"}, {"start": "03:34:14", "end": "03:34:20", "text": "everything and to get there and he and"}, {"start": "03:34:18", "end": "03:34:23", "text": "my intercom ring says uh uh Richard you"}, {"start": "03:34:20", "end": "03:34:25", "text": "got to call on whatever I pick up and"}, {"start": "03:34:23", "end": "03:34:27", "text": "see this special may help you."}, {"start": "03:34:25", "end": "03:34:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Do you hand do you handle flying"}, {"start": "03:34:27", "end": "03:34:32", "text": "saucers? And I think he's a cook sure"}, {"start": "03:34:29", "end": "03:34:34", "text": "cuz I get these. I said uh yeah did you"}, {"start": "03:34:32", "end": "03:34:37", "text": "see one? Yeah, I saw one. I took a"}, {"start": "03:34:34", "end": "03:34:38", "text": "picture of one. Uh I'm an a captain of"}, {"start": "03:34:37", "end": "03:34:40", "text": "the United States Air Force. And the way"}, {"start": "03:34:38", "end": "03:34:43", "text": "he talked, I thought he was"}, {"start": "03:34:40", "end": "03:34:45", "text": "This is a call. I said, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "03:34:43", "end": "03:34:47", "text": "Uh I said, \"Where you where you"}, {"start": "03:34:45", "end": "03:34:49", "text": "stationed at?\" He said, \"I'm stationed"}, {"start": "03:34:47", "end": "03:34:51", "text": "at Kirtland.\""}, {"start": "03:34:49", "end": "03:34:53", "text": "I said, \"Okay.\" I said, \"Well, why don't"}, {"start": "03:34:51", "end": "03:34:55", "text": "you come down to the OSI office?\" And"}, {"start": "03:34:53", "end": "03:34:56", "text": "and I he said, \"I thought I had to make"}, {"start": "03:34:55", "end": "03:34:58", "text": "appointment.\" I said, \"Just come down"}, {"start": "03:34:56", "end": "03:35:00", "text": "OSI office. I'll I'll look at it.\" So he"}, {"start": "03:34:58", "end": "03:35:01", "text": "comes down."}, {"start": "03:35:00", "end": "03:35:05", "text": "you know, an hour later, whatever it"}, {"start": "03:35:01", "end": "03:35:07", "text": "was, he comes in, he's in uniform."}, {"start": "03:35:05", "end": "03:35:08", "text": "I said, \"Have a seat, Captain.\" I said,"}, {"start": "03:35:07", "end": "03:35:10", "text": "\"What happened?\" And he tells me the"}, {"start": "03:35:08", "end": "03:35:12", "text": "whole story that I just told you. I"}, {"start": "03:35:10", "end": "03:35:14", "text": "said, \"Where's a picture?\" And he bolted"}, {"start": "03:35:12", "end": "03:35:15", "text": "across and it's a picture of something."}, {"start": "03:35:14", "end": "03:35:18", "text": "It wasn't on the ground. It was"}, {"start": "03:35:15", "end": "03:35:21", "text": "hovering, but there's distortion under"}, {"start": "03:35:18", "end": "03:35:25", "text": "it."}, {"start": "03:35:21", "end": "03:35:29", "text": "like something's blocking t you know the"}, {"start": "03:35:25", "end": "03:35:31", "text": "the something's blocking the view of the"}, {"start": "03:35:29", "end": "03:35:33", "text": "other side"}, {"start": "03:35:31", "end": "03:35:35", "text": "like a pulse or something. I said where"}, {"start": "03:35:33", "end": "03:35:38", "text": "did you tell? And then he tells me story"}, {"start": "03:35:35", "end": "03:35:41", "text": "and I said wow. I said did you have"}, {"start": "03:35:38", "end": "03:35:43", "text": "missing time? He said yeah about 10"}, {"start": "03:35:41", "end": "03:35:46", "text": "hours."}, {"start": "03:35:43", "end": "03:35:47", "text": "I said okay [clears throat]"}, {"start": "03:35:46", "end": "03:35:50", "text": "we'll need to we'll need to start an"}, {"start": "03:35:47", "end": "03:35:52", "text": "investigation on this. And we did. And"}, {"start": "03:35:50", "end": "03:35:55", "text": "you know, number one, he's a captain,"}, {"start": "03:35:52", "end": "03:35:58", "text": "United States Air Force. He's a pilot."}, {"start": "03:35:55", "end": "03:35:59", "text": "Um, he passed a polygraph. He passed a"}, {"start": "03:35:58", "end": "03:36:02", "text": "hypnosis."}, {"start": "03:35:59", "end": "03:36:02", "text": "Uh, he has a picture. He has evidence."}, {"start": "03:36:02", "end": "03:36:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:36:02", "end": "03:36:11", "text": ">> So, we go back up there like four"}, {"start": "03:36:07", "end": "03:36:13", "text": "five days later. It's a 250 mi north of"}, {"start": "03:36:11", "end": "03:36:16", "text": "where Kurland, but we went up there,"}, {"start": "03:36:13", "end": "03:36:19", "text": "myself and and another agent and him."}, {"start": "03:36:16", "end": "03:36:23", "text": "Um, we followed him up there. He took us"}, {"start": "03:36:19", "end": "03:36:25", "text": "to You had to park and walk a distance"}, {"start": "03:36:23", "end": "03:36:28", "text": "down to where he was at. His tent was"}, {"start": "03:36:25", "end": "03:36:30", "text": "still there. I said, \"Well, when we"}, {"start": "03:36:28", "end": "03:36:31", "text": "walked down, I said, \"Somebody's"}, {"start": "03:36:30", "end": "03:36:33", "text": "camping.\" He said, \"No, that's my tent.\""}, {"start": "03:36:31", "end": "03:36:37", "text": "I said, \"You left your tent?\" He said,"}, {"start": "03:36:33", "end": "03:36:39", "text": "\"I had to get out of here quickly.\" So,"}, {"start": "03:36:37", "end": "03:36:41", "text": "his fishing pole was still down by the"}, {"start": "03:36:39", "end": "03:36:42", "text": "water. So, everything he told us,"}, {"start": "03:36:41", "end": "03:36:44", "text": ">> Yeah. checked"}, {"start": "03:36:42", "end": "03:36:46", "text": ">> evidence is there. So, I said, \"What?"}, {"start": "03:36:44", "end": "03:36:47", "text": "Where did you wake up?\" He said, \"I wake"}, {"start": "03:36:46", "end": "03:36:49", "text": "up in a tent in my sleep bag.\" So, we"}, {"start": "03:36:47", "end": "03:36:51", "text": "took the sleep bag as evidence, you"}, {"start": "03:36:49", "end": "03:36:53", "text": "know, and we took his clothes. I said,"}, {"start": "03:36:51", "end": "03:36:53", "text": "\"We need the clothes that you were"}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:54", "text": "wearing.\""}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:36:54", "end": "03:36:58", "text": ">> In, you know, trace evidence and stuff."}, {"start": "03:36:56", "end": "03:37:00", "text": "And he did. And so, that was a"}, {"start": "03:36:58", "end": "03:37:02", "text": "legitimate incident. And that's that's"}, {"start": "03:37:00", "end": "03:37:04", "text": "one of these cases here. That's"}, {"start": "03:37:02", "end": "03:37:05", "text": "absolutely real."}, {"start": "03:37:04", "end": "03:37:06", "text": ">> Wow. I feel like that one can be"}, {"start": "03:37:05", "end": "03:37:09", "text": "unredacted."}, {"start": "03:37:06", "end": "03:37:10", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely. Mo most of it can be"}, {"start": "03:37:09", "end": "03:37:11", "text": "because it's it's anecdotal."}, {"start": "03:37:10", "end": "03:37:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "03:37:11", "end": "03:37:14", "text": ">> Yeah. if you don't provide the photo or"}, {"start": "03:37:13", "end": "03:37:16", "text": "anything else. I mean, it's just"}, {"start": "03:37:14", "end": "03:37:18", "text": "anecdotal."}, {"start": "03:37:16", "end": "03:37:19", "text": ">> Interesting. Interesting. Okay, I'm"}, {"start": "03:37:18", "end": "03:37:21", "text": "gonna I got a camera back here. I'm"}, {"start": "03:37:19", "end": "03:37:22", "text": "going to turn it on so that we can film"}, {"start": "03:37:21", "end": "03:37:22", "text": "this thing and we'll get to some"}, {"start": "03:37:22", "end": "03:37:23", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "03:37:22", "end": "03:37:23", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:37:23", "end": "03:37:25", "text": ">> How you feeling?"}, {"start": "03:37:23", "end": "03:37:28", "text": ">> Good. Good. Good."}, {"start": "03:37:25", "end": "03:37:31", "text": ">> All right. For those in the know, if"}, {"start": "03:37:28", "end": "03:37:34", "text": "you're a member here, you get access to"}, {"start": "03:37:31", "end": "03:37:36", "text": "our Discord and on that uh when we have"}, {"start": "03:37:34", "end": "03:37:38", "text": "guests, you're alerted maybe 12 hours in"}, {"start": "03:37:36", "end": "03:37:40", "text": "advance about the guest and you have an"}, {"start": "03:37:38", "end": "03:37:43", "text": "opportunity to ask the guest a question."}, {"start": "03:37:40", "end": "03:37:45", "text": "Well, this time I think I think the"}, {"start": "03:37:43", "end": "03:37:48", "text": "prompt wasn't up for 10 minutes before"}, {"start": "03:37:45", "end": "03:37:51", "text": "it started getting flooded. So, um,"}, {"start": "03:37:48", "end": "03:37:52", "text": "clearly sparking some interest here. And"}, {"start": "03:37:51", "end": "03:37:54", "text": "we're going to get to the first"}, {"start": "03:37:52", "end": "03:37:55", "text": "question. So, thank you to everybody who"}, {"start": "03:37:54", "end": "03:37:57", "text": "asked questions. Sorry I couldn't get"}, {"start": "03:37:55", "end": "03:38:00", "text": "through all of them,"}, {"start": "03:37:57", "end": "03:38:04", "text": "but uh,"}, {"start": "03:38:00", "end": "03:38:04", "text": "here we go."}, {"start": "03:38:06", "end": "03:38:09", "text": "Okay. Okay, some of these we've actually"}, {"start": "03:38:08", "end": "03:38:11", "text": "answered, so I'm I'm going to I'm going"}, {"start": "03:38:09", "end": "03:38:14", "text": "to skim past them. But this is an"}, {"start": "03:38:11", "end": "03:38:14", "text": "interesting one."}, {"start": "03:38:20", "end": "03:38:25", "text": "Uh in this one, what is your conviction"}, {"start": "03:38:22", "end": "03:38:27", "text": "on the portal somewhere in the US that"}, {"start": "03:38:25", "end": "03:38:30", "text": "Coltard alludes to? Ross Coltard uh"}, {"start": "03:38:27", "end": "03:38:33", "text": "talked about I I think a portal in in"}, {"start": "03:38:30", "end": "03:38:35", "text": "perhaps Soma or or that area. What's"}, {"start": "03:38:33", "end": "03:38:40", "text": "your conviction level?"}, {"start": "03:38:35", "end": "03:38:45", "text": "Well, this goes back to uh a rather long"}, {"start": "03:38:40", "end": "03:38:49", "text": "uh story about time travel, but um make"}, {"start": "03:38:45", "end": "03:38:51", "text": "it as short as again I was involved in a"}, {"start": "03:38:49", "end": "03:38:54", "text": "counter intelligence operation. Uh"}, {"start": "03:38:51", "end": "03:38:56", "text": "Sandia National Laboratories had a"}, {"start": "03:38:54", "end": "03:38:58", "text": "operation where they were experimenting"}, {"start": "03:38:56", "end": "03:39:00", "text": "with time travel trying to trying to"}, {"start": "03:38:58", "end": "03:39:02", "text": "create time travel and it was being done"}, {"start": "03:39:00", "end": "03:39:04", "text": "there at Kirtland and also out at Nevada"}, {"start": "03:39:02", "end": "03:39:06", "text": "Test Site. Well, they had uh"}, {"start": "03:39:04", "end": "03:39:07", "text": "advertisements in different magazines."}, {"start": "03:39:06", "end": "03:39:11", "text": "Of course, the internet wasn't around"}, {"start": "03:39:07", "end": "03:39:13", "text": "back in that days. And some this person"}, {"start": "03:39:11", "end": "03:39:15", "text": "responded to Sandy Lab and said, \"I'm a"}, {"start": "03:39:13", "end": "03:39:17", "text": "time traveler. I can prove it.\" We did a"}, {"start": "03:39:15", "end": "03:39:21", "text": "full investigation. This guy went down"}, {"start": "03:39:17", "end": "03:39:23", "text": "to Arizona near Sedona and said, \"I can"}, {"start": "03:39:21", "end": "03:39:26", "text": "walk through a time portal and then come"}, {"start": "03:39:23", "end": "03:39:28", "text": "back out.\" Uh Sandia went down there. We"}, {"start": "03:39:26", "end": "03:39:31", "text": "all went down there. This guy we thought"}, {"start": "03:39:28", "end": "03:39:34", "text": "was full of it, but he actually walked"}, {"start": "03:39:31", "end": "03:39:36", "text": "through something and uh to the best of"}, {"start": "03:39:34", "end": "03:39:38", "text": "my knowledge, you know, although I"}, {"start": "03:39:36", "end": "03:39:40", "text": "didn't do a lot of followup on this,"}, {"start": "03:39:38", "end": "03:39:42", "text": "he's never returned."}, {"start": "03:39:40", "end": "03:39:42", "text": ">> You do you saw this?"}, {"start": "03:39:42", "end": "03:39:44", "text": ">> I saw this."}, {"start": "03:39:42", "end": "03:39:48", "text": ">> You saw him walk into a portal."}, {"start": "03:39:44", "end": "03:39:52", "text": ">> I saw him walk through a uh a crevice in"}, {"start": "03:39:48", "end": "03:39:54", "text": "a rock. It it was a rockfaced and it was"}, {"start": "03:39:52", "end": "03:39:57", "text": "a small crevice and he walked through"}, {"start": "03:39:54", "end": "03:39:59", "text": "that crevice and it wasn't anything."}, {"start": "03:39:57", "end": "03:39:59", "text": "nothing on the other side. It was being"}, {"start": "03:39:59", "end": "03:40:01", "text": "filmed."}, {"start": "03:39:59", "end": "03:40:04", "text": ">> Could he fit in the crevice?"}, {"start": "03:40:01", "end": "03:40:06", "text": ">> He barely fit in the cre in the crevice"}, {"start": "03:40:04", "end": "03:40:09", "text": "and we were some distance away from him."}, {"start": "03:40:06", "end": "03:40:12", "text": "And then uh somebody said, \"Well, okay,"}, {"start": "03:40:09", "end": "03:40:15", "text": "he's in there.\" And and so we waited. We"}, {"start": "03:40:12", "end": "03:40:17", "text": "you know, his his uh story was he was"}, {"start": "03:40:15", "end": "03:40:19", "text": "going to go in and then come back out"}, {"start": "03:40:17", "end": "03:40:20", "text": "and bring something from and I don't"}, {"start": "03:40:19", "end": "03:40:24", "text": "remember if it was from the past or the"}, {"start": "03:40:20", "end": "03:40:27", "text": "future. I I don't remember that. And um"}, {"start": "03:40:24", "end": "03:40:29", "text": "he never came out. at least the longest."}, {"start": "03:40:27", "end": "03:40:31", "text": "We were there for hours and hours and he"}, {"start": "03:40:29", "end": "03:40:34", "text": "never came out. We went down there or"}, {"start": "03:40:31", "end": "03:40:35", "text": "Sandy Labs went down there and and other"}, {"start": "03:40:34", "end": "03:40:38", "text": "contractors and looked at the crevice"}, {"start": "03:40:35", "end": "03:40:39", "text": "and figured you know how did he get out"}, {"start": "03:40:38", "end": "03:40:42", "text": "of here?"}, {"start": "03:40:39", "end": "03:40:47", "text": "It seems so silly to me that one can"}, {"start": "03:40:42", "end": "03:40:51", "text": "just call the the most, you know,"}, {"start": "03:40:47", "end": "03:40:53", "text": "secured sort of facilities uh that are"}, {"start": "03:40:51", "end": "03:40:56", "text": "doing the most sensitive technical"}, {"start": "03:40:53", "end": "03:40:58", "text": "technological advancements that, you"}, {"start": "03:40:56", "end": "03:41:00", "text": "know, US Department of Defense has ever"}, {"start": "03:40:58", "end": "03:41:03", "text": "seen and could just claim they're a time"}, {"start": "03:41:00", "end": "03:41:06", "text": "traveler and you'll"}, {"start": "03:41:03", "end": "03:41:08", "text": "you'll, you know, um send out people and"}, {"start": "03:41:06", "end": "03:41:10", "text": "and have a budget approved"}, {"start": "03:41:08", "end": "03:41:11", "text": "to go follow these people who just claim"}, {"start": "03:41:10", "end": "03:41:12", "text": "these things. Like"}, {"start": "03:41:11", "end": "03:41:13", "text": ">> I gave you the short version."}, {"start": "03:41:12", "end": "03:41:16", "text": ">> Oh, I see."}, {"start": "03:41:13", "end": "03:41:19", "text": ">> There was a lot"}, {"start": "03:41:16", "end": "03:41:21", "text": "investigations on this guy."}, {"start": "03:41:19", "end": "03:41:24", "text": ">> Um we did background background"}, {"start": "03:41:21", "end": "03:41:27", "text": "background. Um and that this is what"}, {"start": "03:41:24", "end": "03:41:30", "text": "makes it really interesting. the only"}, {"start": "03:41:27", "end": "03:41:33", "text": "the only date of birth for that name of"}, {"start": "03:41:30", "end": "03:41:35", "text": "that person that we could find and we"}, {"start": "03:41:33", "end": "03:41:38", "text": "have"}, {"start": "03:41:35", "end": "03:41:42", "text": "even back in the 80s we had you know the"}, {"start": "03:41:38", "end": "03:41:44", "text": "defense index of of indices we had the"}, {"start": "03:41:42", "end": "03:41:46", "text": "FBI the IR everything we searched"}, {"start": "03:41:44", "end": "03:41:49", "text": "everything was somebody that was born in"}, {"start": "03:41:46", "end": "03:41:52", "text": "19 in 1879"}, {"start": "03:41:49", "end": "03:41:55", "text": "and uh I think it was"}, {"start": "03:41:52", "end": "03:41:57", "text": "uh some I think it was Billing was"}, {"start": "03:41:55", "end": "03:42:00", "text": "Montana but someplace else and I think"}, {"start": "03:41:57", "end": "03:42:04", "text": "it was Montana. That's the only name we"}, {"start": "03:42:00", "end": "03:42:05", "text": "could find that that fit that person."}, {"start": "03:42:04", "end": "03:42:06", "text": ">> And so"}, {"start": "03:42:05", "end": "03:42:08", "text": ">> was that who he was claiming to be?"}, {"start": "03:42:06", "end": "03:42:12", "text": ">> Yeah, he was claiming to be that person."}, {"start": "03:42:08", "end": "03:42:15", "text": "And he gave us all sorts of uh I mean,"}, {"start": "03:42:12", "end": "03:42:18", "text": "and again, I wasn't the main person that"}, {"start": "03:42:15", "end": "03:42:19", "text": "investigated him. Other agents did that,"}, {"start": "03:42:18", "end": "03:42:22", "text": "so I don't know everything that was"}, {"start": "03:42:19", "end": "03:42:24", "text": "done, but you know, I had a report that"}, {"start": "03:42:22", "end": "03:42:26", "text": "I'd read. They went out to where he"}, {"start": "03:42:24", "end": "03:42:28", "text": "claimed he lived in Barstow, California."}, {"start": "03:42:26", "end": "03:42:31", "text": "They checked his residence. They checked"}, {"start": "03:42:28", "end": "03:42:35", "text": "where he supposedly worked. Uh he"}, {"start": "03:42:31", "end": "03:42:39", "text": "claimed he'd worked in some place in uh"}, {"start": "03:42:35", "end": "03:42:42", "text": "uh Bend, Oregon uh in 1934 or something"}, {"start": "03:42:39", "end": "03:42:44", "text": "like that. Some some date. They went up"}, {"start": "03:42:42", "end": "03:42:47", "text": "there. Uh the company didn't exist"}, {"start": "03:42:44", "end": "03:42:49", "text": "anymore. Nobody knew anything about. So"}, {"start": "03:42:47", "end": "03:42:51", "text": "there's there was no checking. He"}, {"start": "03:42:49", "end": "03:42:53", "text": "couldn't check. He claimed he was"}, {"start": "03:42:51", "end": "03:42:57", "text": "something in 1920. I can't remember."}, {"start": "03:42:53", "end": "03:43:02", "text": "Something about 1920 where he was in New"}, {"start": "03:42:57", "end": "03:43:04", "text": "York or um on a ship or something and"}, {"start": "03:43:02", "end": "03:43:07", "text": "they couldn't find anything. Uh there"}, {"start": "03:43:04", "end": "03:43:09", "text": "was there was something else that they"}, {"start": "03:43:07", "end": "03:43:13", "text": "found that verified that name. I think"}, {"start": "03:43:09", "end": "03:43:19", "text": "it was on a ship manifest from um Cuba"}, {"start": "03:43:13", "end": "03:43:21", "text": "to uh to New York uh in 19 something"}, {"start": "03:43:19", "end": "03:43:22", "text": "1907 or something a name."}, {"start": "03:43:21", "end": "03:43:25", "text": ">> How strange."}, {"start": "03:43:22", "end": "03:43:28", "text": ">> But that's they they did all that stuff."}, {"start": "03:43:25", "end": "03:43:30", "text": "So and somebody you know I guess Sandy"}, {"start": "03:43:28", "end": "03:43:33", "text": "Labs decided they were going to hire him"}, {"start": "03:43:30", "end": "03:43:35", "text": "if he can do this. and they did a lot of"}, {"start": "03:43:33", "end": "03:43:37", "text": "background and they did a lot of"}, {"start": "03:43:35", "end": "03:43:39", "text": "examination of him psychological and and"}, {"start": "03:43:37", "end": "03:43:40", "text": "physical and all that and that's"}, {"start": "03:43:39", "end": "03:43:41", "text": "something they did. I didn't I wasn't"}, {"start": "03:43:40", "end": "03:43:44", "text": "involved any of that."}, {"start": "03:43:41", "end": "03:43:48", "text": ">> Was there any other instances of time"}, {"start": "03:43:44", "end": "03:43:50", "text": "travel that you were maybe briefed on?"}, {"start": "03:43:48", "end": "03:43:54", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "03:43:50", "end": "03:43:56", "text": "yes, but that was part of the Sandia uh"}, {"start": "03:43:54", "end": "03:43:58", "text": "labs experiments and I'm pretty sure"}, {"start": "03:43:56", "end": "03:44:02", "text": "that's still probably proprietary. Uh"}, {"start": "03:43:58", "end": "03:44:04", "text": "but there were uh I think two cases"}, {"start": "03:44:02", "end": "03:44:06", "text": "where"}, {"start": "03:44:04", "end": "03:44:10", "text": "there was legitimate"}, {"start": "03:44:06", "end": "03:44:11", "text": "evidence of something traveling."}, {"start": "03:44:10", "end": "03:44:13", "text": ">> What's your"}, {"start": "03:44:11", "end": "03:44:14", "text": ">> uh back in time I think it was. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:44:13", "end": "03:44:16", "text": ">> Which Back in Time is interesting."}, {"start": "03:44:14", "end": "03:44:19", "text": "What's your conviction level on looking"}, {"start": "03:44:16", "end": "03:44:20", "text": "glass?"}, {"start": "03:44:19", "end": "03:44:21", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "03:44:20", "end": "03:44:24", "text": ">> I don't know enough about it. I just"}, {"start": "03:44:21", "end": "03:44:25", "text": "know what I've read in uh you know open"}, {"start": "03:44:24", "end": "03:44:25", "text": "sources but"}, {"start": "03:44:25", "end": "03:44:27", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:44:25", "end": "03:44:29", "text": ">> No, I don't know anything. Never come"}, {"start": "03:44:27", "end": "03:44:31", "text": "across any type of device that peers"}, {"start": "03:44:29", "end": "03:44:33", "text": "into time."}, {"start": "03:44:31", "end": "03:44:35", "text": ">> Oh"}, {"start": "03:44:33", "end": "03:44:38", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:44:35", "end": "03:44:39", "text": "um yeah there the widget. Let's go back"}, {"start": "03:44:38", "end": "03:44:39", "text": "to the widget."}, {"start": "03:44:39", "end": "03:44:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:44:39", "end": "03:44:43", "text": ">> We got a widget from our friends or"}, {"start": "03:44:41", "end": "03:44:46", "text": "visitors."}, {"start": "03:44:43", "end": "03:44:48", "text": ">> Well like the yellow book."}, {"start": "03:44:46", "end": "03:44:49", "text": ">> Yeah the yellow book."}, {"start": "03:44:48", "end": "03:44:51", "text": ">> So that's uh"}, {"start": "03:44:49", "end": "03:44:54", "text": ">> the yellow book. That's it."}, {"start": "03:44:51", "end": "03:44:56", "text": ">> And that's your high conviction on that?"}, {"start": "03:44:54", "end": "03:44:59", "text": "That's my only I mean I've heard other"}, {"start": "03:44:56", "end": "03:45:02", "text": "people talk but I me personally I didn't"}, {"start": "03:44:59", "end": "03:45:05", "text": "experience anything uh regarding time"}, {"start": "03:45:02", "end": "03:45:08", "text": "travel other than what I saw during the"}, {"start": "03:45:05", "end": "03:45:10", "text": "experiments that were happening uh at"}, {"start": "03:45:08", "end": "03:45:12", "text": "other places like in Nevada test site"}, {"start": "03:45:10", "end": "03:45:13", "text": "there was an underground facility that"}, {"start": "03:45:12", "end": "03:45:14", "text": "had these huge magnets and they were"}, {"start": "03:45:13", "end": "03:45:17", "text": "shooting things through the magnets"}, {"start": "03:45:14", "end": "03:45:19", "text": "again I'm not a scientist so I'm just"}, {"start": "03:45:17", "end": "03:45:21", "text": "lay lay persons explaining what I saw"}, {"start": "03:45:19", "end": "03:45:24", "text": ">> and I saw at one time and they were"}, {"start": "03:45:21", "end": "03:45:27", "text": "doing experiments something opened"}, {"start": "03:45:24", "end": "03:45:29", "text": "And a scientist was standing next to me."}, {"start": "03:45:27", "end": "03:45:31", "text": "I said, \"What's that?\" He says, \"You"}, {"start": "03:45:29", "end": "03:45:32", "text": "just saw the fabric of space opening.\""}, {"start": "03:45:31", "end": "03:45:34", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:45:32", "end": "03:45:37", "text": ">> And for a split I mean it wasn't like it"}, {"start": "03:45:34", "end": "03:45:40", "text": "open just for a split second. I mean or"}, {"start": "03:45:37", "end": "03:45:45", "text": "you know whatever a second but that's I"}, {"start": "03:45:40", "end": "03:45:47", "text": "saw that and and so they in 1980s"}, {"start": "03:45:45", "end": "03:45:50", "text": "uh they were able to do that. So just"}, {"start": "03:45:47", "end": "03:45:52", "text": "imagine what they could do now. I can't,"}, {"start": "03:45:50", "end": "03:45:54", "text": "you know, we spoke about this at dinner"}, {"start": "03:45:52", "end": "03:45:57", "text": "yesterday, but like with the exponential"}, {"start": "03:45:54", "end": "03:45:59", "text": "growth of technology and how fast that's"}, {"start": "03:45:57", "end": "03:46:03", "text": "moving, um, you know, what looks like"}, {"start": "03:45:59", "end": "03:46:05", "text": "the the stealth bomber in 2010, you"}, {"start": "03:46:03", "end": "03:46:08", "text": "know, to the people in 1980 might look"}, {"start": "03:46:05", "end": "03:46:10", "text": "futuristic, but what 30 years from now"}, {"start": "03:46:08", "end": "03:46:14", "text": "looks like would be indistinguishable"}, {"start": "03:46:10", "end": "03:46:15", "text": "from alien tech. I I I believe um I"}, {"start": "03:46:14", "end": "03:46:17", "text": "think that anything we see that's 30"}, {"start": "03:46:15", "end": "03:46:19", "text": "years advanced with the exponential"}, {"start": "03:46:17", "end": "03:46:21", "text": "growth including AI and everything else."}, {"start": "03:46:19", "end": "03:46:23", "text": "I mean I don't even think we could"}, {"start": "03:46:21", "end": "03:46:24", "text": "imagine what that might look like in 30"}, {"start": "03:46:23", "end": "03:46:25", "text": "years."}, {"start": "03:46:24", "end": "03:46:26", "text": ">> Did you have you ever heard of the"}, {"start": "03:46:25", "end": "03:46:27", "text": "Lancaster incident?"}, {"start": "03:46:26", "end": "03:46:29", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "03:46:27", "end": "03:46:30", "text": ">> Lancaster, Pennsylvania in you heard of"}, {"start": "03:46:29", "end": "03:46:32", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "03:46:30", "end": "03:46:35", "text": ">> There's a story that was written in a"}, {"start": "03:46:32", "end": "03:46:38", "text": "book uh and Bill Moore had the book."}, {"start": "03:46:35", "end": "03:46:40", "text": "It's an old old book. Uh it was written"}, {"start": "03:46:38", "end": "03:46:42", "text": "in 18 you know something. Anyways,"}, {"start": "03:46:40", "end": "03:46:44", "text": "Lancaster, Pennsylvania during the Civil"}, {"start": "03:46:42", "end": "03:46:47", "text": "War."}, {"start": "03:46:44", "end": "03:46:51", "text": "Um, there was a photographer that was at"}, {"start": "03:46:47", "end": "03:46:53", "text": "a battlefield. Uh, I think he was Union."}, {"start": "03:46:51", "end": "03:46:55", "text": "Pretty sure he was Union and he was"}, {"start": "03:46:53", "end": "03:46:57", "text": "because they had the big cameras and"}, {"start": "03:46:55", "end": "03:46:59", "text": "they took this picture of the"}, {"start": "03:46:57", "end": "03:47:03", "text": "battlefield, but in the background of"}, {"start": "03:46:59", "end": "03:47:06", "text": "that picture, you would see a jet, which"}, {"start": "03:47:03", "end": "03:47:07", "text": "looked to me like a B1B bomber."}, {"start": "03:47:06", "end": "03:47:10", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "03:47:07", "end": "03:47:12", "text": ">> How h how'd that happen? And so I mean"}, {"start": "03:47:10", "end": "03:47:15", "text": "that was there was a guy that spoke at a"}, {"start": "03:47:12", "end": "03:47:18", "text": "UFO convention way back about 2005 or"}, {"start": "03:47:15", "end": "03:47:19", "text": "six about that picture but all he had"}, {"start": "03:47:18", "end": "03:47:22", "text": "was that picture. There's no"}, {"start": "03:47:19", "end": "03:47:24", "text": "explanation, no evidence of the real,"}, {"start": "03:47:22", "end": "03:47:25", "text": "you know, nobody has a real it's a"}, {"start": "03:47:24", "end": "03:47:27", "text": "picture of a picture of a picture."}, {"start": "03:47:25", "end": "03:47:29", "text": ">> Yeah. You see you see those photos pop"}, {"start": "03:47:27", "end": "03:47:30", "text": "up where like oh is this a time traveler"}, {"start": "03:47:29", "end": "03:47:33", "text": "and that type of stuff."}, {"start": "03:47:30", "end": "03:47:33", "text": ">> How did what how did that plane get"}, {"start": "03:47:33", "end": "03:47:36", "text": "there?"}, {"start": "03:47:33", "end": "03:47:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:47:36", "end": "03:47:39", "text": ">> Interesting. All right. Let's get to the"}, {"start": "03:47:38", "end": "03:47:41", "text": "next question. Thanks for answering"}, {"start": "03:47:39", "end": "03:47:44", "text": "that. Um,"}, {"start": "03:47:41", "end": "03:47:47", "text": ">> this is a good one from Chris in Austin,"}, {"start": "03:47:44", "end": "03:47:47", "text": "Texas."}, {"start": "03:47:54", "end": "03:47:58", "text": "He asks, \"What was the most serious UAP"}, {"start": "03:47:57", "end": "03:48:00", "text": "incident or slash encounter that you"}, {"start": "03:47:58", "end": "03:48:05", "text": "were briefed on?\" I think, you know,"}, {"start": "03:48:00", "end": "03:48:06", "text": "speaking about that uh Air Force uh"}, {"start": "03:48:05", "end": "03:48:06", "text": "captain, was it?"}, {"start": "03:48:06", "end": "03:48:08", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:48:06", "end": "03:48:09", "text": ">> probably. Yeah, that would probably be"}, {"start": "03:48:08", "end": "03:48:10", "text": "the"}, {"start": "03:48:09", "end": "03:48:13", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:48:10", "end": "03:48:16", "text": ">> the the most serious. Uh there uh there"}, {"start": "03:48:13", "end": "03:48:18", "text": "was another uh incident. I wasn't again"}, {"start": "03:48:16", "end": "03:48:21", "text": "directly involved in it"}, {"start": "03:48:18", "end": "03:48:23", "text": ">> that happened actually within the Nellis"}, {"start": "03:48:21", "end": "03:48:27", "text": "testing range"}, {"start": "03:48:23", "end": "03:48:32", "text": ">> um that uh was incredible and I actually"}, {"start": "03:48:27", "end": "03:48:34", "text": "have the statement from the guy that"}, {"start": "03:48:32", "end": "03:48:38", "text": "sent me this. Uh he was actually there"}, {"start": "03:48:34", "end": "03:48:41", "text": "and it happened in um"}, {"start": "03:48:38", "end": "03:48:41", "text": "the the 70s"}, {"start": "03:48:41", "end": "03:48:47", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:48:44", "end": "03:48:51", "text": "Steve it happened in 19 Well yeah"}, {"start": "03:48:47", "end": "03:48:54", "text": "if you read that and you read the um"}, {"start": "03:48:51", "end": "03:48:57", "text": "um a certain air force person that came"}, {"start": "03:48:54", "end": "03:49:03", "text": "out saying that he was involved in some"}, {"start": "03:48:57", "end": "03:49:08", "text": "incident. Uh this is a story that"}, {"start": "03:49:03", "end": "03:49:12", "text": "uh was I talked about on Gaia uh"}, {"start": "03:49:08", "end": "03:49:15", "text": "four years before um this particular Air"}, {"start": "03:49:12", "end": "03:49:19", "text": "Force guy came out to public. So"}, {"start": "03:49:15", "end": "03:49:21", "text": ">> and what exactly goes on here? Uh this"}, {"start": "03:49:19", "end": "03:49:23", "text": "there was an air force team out at"}, {"start": "03:49:21", "end": "03:49:25", "text": "Nellis test and training range that was"}, {"start": "03:49:23", "end": "03:49:28", "text": "going from one place to another and they"}, {"start": "03:49:25", "end": "03:49:29", "text": "ran across an extraterrestrial walking"}, {"start": "03:49:28", "end": "03:49:32", "text": "along the road."}, {"start": "03:49:29", "end": "03:49:36", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "03:49:32", "end": "03:49:41", "text": "Whoa. And they uh panicked. The vehicle"}, {"start": "03:49:36", "end": "03:49:44", "text": "shut down. They uh they had a radio uh"}, {"start": "03:49:41", "end": "03:49:48", "text": "in their vehicle and they tried to call"}, {"start": "03:49:44", "end": "03:49:52", "text": "for help. They finally uh got a got a"}, {"start": "03:49:48", "end": "03:49:56", "text": "worker, it wasn't a a"}, {"start": "03:49:52", "end": "03:49:59", "text": "a policeman or anything or camel dude to"}, {"start": "03:49:56", "end": "03:50:02", "text": "report it and eventually it was reported"}, {"start": "03:49:59", "end": "03:50:04", "text": "to o uh to OSI."}, {"start": "03:50:02", "end": "03:50:07", "text": "that kind of follows the same story that"}, {"start": "03:50:04", "end": "03:50:10", "text": "another person who talked about, but"}, {"start": "03:50:07", "end": "03:50:13", "text": "this happened in um"}, {"start": "03:50:10", "end": "03:50:17", "text": "you know and and uh"}, {"start": "03:50:13", "end": "03:50:18", "text": "the same time period that he's talking"}, {"start": "03:50:17", "end": "03:50:20", "text": "about,"}, {"start": "03:50:18", "end": "03:50:23", "text": ">> but this is verified."}, {"start": "03:50:20", "end": "03:50:24", "text": ">> Um this isn't like I mean you you've"}, {"start": "03:50:23", "end": "03:50:26", "text": "heard of the Jason Sans"}, {"start": "03:50:24", "end": "03:50:28", "text": ">> Jason Sans that's talking about. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:50:26", "end": "03:50:29", "text": ">> I don't want to name name you mentioned"}, {"start": "03:50:28", "end": "03:50:29", "text": "his name so"}, {"start": "03:50:29", "end": "03:50:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:50:29", "end": "03:50:35", "text": ">> Yeah. So that's similar"}, {"start": "03:50:31", "end": "03:50:37", "text": ">> similar or Jason got it from here. I"}, {"start": "03:50:35", "end": "03:50:39", "text": "don't know. I don't know. I don't know."}, {"start": "03:50:37", "end": "03:50:40", "text": ">> But yeah, in and around the same time"}, {"start": "03:50:39", "end": "03:50:41", "text": "frame"}, {"start": "03:50:40", "end": "03:50:42", "text": ">> area as well."}, {"start": "03:50:41", "end": "03:50:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Same"}, {"start": "03:50:42", "end": "03:50:44", "text": ">> being as well described"}, {"start": "03:50:43", "end": "03:50:46", "text": ">> being"}, {"start": "03:50:44", "end": "03:50:49", "text": ">> blue skin. Yeah. Wow."}, {"start": "03:50:46", "end": "03:50:52", "text": ">> But if you go to a guy at my I can't I"}, {"start": "03:50:49", "end": "03:50:54", "text": "think it was episode 80 or something."}, {"start": "03:50:52", "end": "03:50:55", "text": ">> This was this was told,"}, {"start": "03:50:54", "end": "03:50:58", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:50:55", "end": "03:50:58", "text": ">> And that's two years before Jason Sand"}, {"start": "03:50:58", "end": "03:51:00", "text": "came out."}, {"start": "03:50:58", "end": "03:51:03", "text": ">> I see. I see. So, you're saying that"}, {"start": "03:51:00", "end": "03:51:04", "text": "there might be some type of overlap in"}, {"start": "03:51:03", "end": "03:51:05", "text": "this material or"}, {"start": "03:51:04", "end": "03:51:07", "text": ">> maybe they just had a different"}, {"start": "03:51:05", "end": "03:51:08", "text": "incident. I'm not saying Jason lying."}, {"start": "03:51:07", "end": "03:51:09", "text": "I'm just saying that"}, {"start": "03:51:08", "end": "03:51:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:51:09", "end": "03:51:12", "text": ">> doesn't fit."}, {"start": "03:51:10", "end": "03:51:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. One of the stories is"}, {"start": "03:51:12", "end": "03:51:15", "text": "already out there. So, it it definitely"}, {"start": "03:51:13", "end": "03:51:20", "text": "takes away from some of the credibility,"}, {"start": "03:51:15", "end": "03:51:20", "text": ">> right? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Um"}, {"start": "03:51:21", "end": "03:51:26", "text": "I think uh do we do I think we have one"}, {"start": "03:51:23", "end": "03:51:29", "text": "more here."}, {"start": "03:51:26", "end": "03:51:32", "text": "Um, actually, let let me ask you one"}, {"start": "03:51:29", "end": "03:51:36", "text": "last question. See if you want to maybe"}, {"start": "03:51:32", "end": "03:51:39", "text": "a bit of a game. Can you give me"}, {"start": "03:51:36", "end": "03:51:41", "text": "two truths in a lie?"}, {"start": "03:51:39", "end": "03:51:44", "text": ">> Two truths and a lie"}, {"start": "03:51:41", "end": "03:51:46", "text": ">> and I won't attempt to guess anything"}, {"start": "03:51:44", "end": "03:51:47", "text": "and we'll just leave it at that."}, {"start": "03:51:46", "end": "03:51:48", "text": ">> So, you can say,"}, {"start": "03:51:47", "end": "03:51:48", "text": ">> \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "03:51:48", "end": "03:51:51", "text": ">> Whatever."}, {"start": "03:51:48", "end": "03:51:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We we we"}, {"start": "03:51:51", "end": "03:51:55", "text": "actually played this game in um in the"}, {"start": "03:51:54", "end": "03:51:56", "text": "intelligence operations course."}, {"start": "03:51:55", "end": "03:51:58", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "03:51:56", "end": "03:52:02", "text": ">> to each other for a psychological test."}, {"start": "03:51:58", "end": "03:52:02", "text": "Yeah. Um I'm not going to tell you."}, {"start": "03:52:02", "end": "03:52:03", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "03:52:02", "end": "03:52:08", "text": ">> Don't tell me anything. Just"}, {"start": "03:52:03", "end": "03:52:08", "text": ">> Okay. Um in 1980,"}, {"start": "03:52:08", "end": "03:52:15", "text": "I was um"}, {"start": "03:52:11", "end": "03:52:17", "text": "driving from uh in New Mexico. I was"}, {"start": "03:52:15", "end": "03:52:20", "text": "stationed in New Mexico. I was driving"}, {"start": "03:52:17", "end": "03:52:22", "text": "from one place to another to pick up a"}, {"start": "03:52:20", "end": "03:52:23", "text": "good friend of mine. He came in at an"}, {"start": "03:52:22", "end": "03:52:28", "text": "airport that wasn't an Albuquerque"}, {"start": "03:52:23", "end": "03:52:29", "text": "airport. Okay. And um along the way"}, {"start": "03:52:28", "end": "03:52:31", "text": "after I picked him up, I was it was"}, {"start": "03:52:29", "end": "03:52:35", "text": "Santa Fe. I was coming back and"}, {"start": "03:52:31", "end": "03:52:39", "text": "Interstate 25. And he said uh he he"}, {"start": "03:52:35", "end": "03:52:40", "text": "pointed to um Sandia Crest, which is a"}, {"start": "03:52:39", "end": "03:52:43", "text": "big mountain there. I don't know if"}, {"start": "03:52:40", "end": "03:52:45", "text": "you've been to Albuquerque, but and he"}, {"start": "03:52:43", "end": "03:52:46", "text": "said, \"There's a uh tram that goes up"}, {"start": "03:52:45", "end": "03:52:49", "text": "there, right?\" I said, \"Yeah, yeah,"}, {"start": "03:52:46", "end": "03:52:52", "text": "there's there's a tram, important tram.\""}, {"start": "03:52:49", "end": "03:52:54", "text": "He said, \"Can you take me up there?\" I"}, {"start": "03:52:52", "end": "03:52:57", "text": "said, \"Sure.\" So, as we turn to go up"}, {"start": "03:52:54", "end": "03:53:00", "text": "that road, we see the tram going up. And"}, {"start": "03:52:57", "end": "03:53:03", "text": "above the tram was this object following"}, {"start": "03:53:00", "end": "03:53:03", "text": "the tram up"}, {"start": "03:53:04", "end": "03:53:10", "text": "up to the top of the mountain. Okay. in"}, {"start": "03:53:08", "end": "03:53:13", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:53:10", "end": "03:53:13", "text": "about 1965."}, {"start": "03:53:14", "end": "03:53:26", "text": "Uh I wrestled in high school and um I"}, {"start": "03:53:19", "end": "03:53:29", "text": "was at a we were wrestling our uh our"}, {"start": "03:53:26", "end": "03:53:32", "text": "rival school and and the and the"}, {"start": "03:53:29", "end": "03:53:35", "text": "wrestling programs for the school"}, {"start": "03:53:32", "end": "03:53:38", "text": "was really a rival. You know, one match"}, {"start": "03:53:35", "end": "03:53:40", "text": "we'd beat then they'd b beat us and as"}, {"start": "03:53:38", "end": "03:53:42", "text": "you if you know about wrestling, you"}, {"start": "03:53:40", "end": "03:53:47", "text": "start at lower weights and you work up"}, {"start": "03:53:42", "end": "03:53:49", "text": "and and I was at the 130 pound class and"}, {"start": "03:53:47", "end": "03:53:54", "text": "I was wrestling"}, {"start": "03:53:49", "end": "03:53:56", "text": "the uh he was a runner up the state"}, {"start": "03:53:54", "end": "03:53:59", "text": "the year earlier"}, {"start": "03:53:56", "end": "03:54:02", "text": "and we were tied at that point because"}, {"start": "03:53:59", "end": "03:54:05", "text": "we had other matches ahead and I"}, {"start": "03:54:02", "end": "03:54:09", "text": "wrestled this guy and I beat him for on"}, {"start": "03:54:05", "end": "03:54:12", "text": "one. I beat him at almost because three"}, {"start": "03:54:09", "end": "03:54:15", "text": "minute uh rounds. The third round I came"}, {"start": "03:54:12", "end": "03:54:18", "text": "within a second of pinning him. I get"}, {"start": "03:54:15", "end": "03:54:21", "text": "the uh predicament which is a point and"}, {"start": "03:54:18", "end": "03:54:23", "text": "I win by one point."}, {"start": "03:54:21", "end": "03:54:26", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "03:54:23", "end": "03:54:31", "text": "in um let me see this was would have"}, {"start": "03:54:26", "end": "03:54:31", "text": "been in 201"}, {"start": "03:54:31", "end": "03:54:39", "text": "15. No, no. 2014 I went to Laos. I was"}, {"start": "03:54:36", "end": "03:54:42", "text": "involved with this group that uh was"}, {"start": "03:54:39", "end": "03:54:45", "text": "still looking for PS in Laos. And I went"}, {"start": "03:54:42", "end": "03:54:48", "text": "to Laos with this group of people to go"}, {"start": "03:54:45", "end": "03:54:53", "text": "to a certain location to try to find"}, {"start": "03:54:48", "end": "03:54:57", "text": "evidence of whether these uh PS that"}, {"start": "03:54:53", "end": "03:55:00", "text": "were at this site was called Messi 85."}, {"start": "03:54:57", "end": "03:55:02", "text": "was any remnants of it or or because the"}, {"start": "03:55:00", "end": "03:55:06", "text": "site had been excavated by the military"}, {"start": "03:55:02", "end": "03:55:10", "text": "before. So I went there with this group"}, {"start": "03:55:06", "end": "03:55:12", "text": "and we found some not remains but we s"}, {"start": "03:55:10", "end": "03:55:14", "text": "find some evidence of something that had"}, {"start": "03:55:12", "end": "03:55:16", "text": "occurred there. There's my three"}, {"start": "03:55:14", "end": "03:55:18", "text": "stories. Amazing. Thank you for sharing"}, {"start": "03:55:16", "end": "03:55:20", "text": "that. I'll let the audience decide."}, {"start": "03:55:18", "end": "03:55:24", "text": "Maybe leave your comments below. One,"}, {"start": "03:55:20", "end": "03:55:25", "text": "two, or three. Which one is the lie? Um"}, {"start": "03:55:24", "end": "03:55:27", "text": "lastly, I just want to leave you with"}, {"start": "03:55:25", "end": "03:55:29", "text": "this."}, {"start": "03:55:27", "end": "03:55:34", "text": "Richard Dodie,"}, {"start": "03:55:29", "end": "03:55:37", "text": "how do you want to be remembered?"}, {"start": "03:55:34", "end": "03:55:41", "text": ">> Oh, wow. Um,"}, {"start": "03:55:37", "end": "03:55:45", "text": "well, I want to remember"}, {"start": "03:55:41", "end": "03:55:48", "text": "as a u a person who did their duty"}, {"start": "03:55:45", "end": "03:55:51", "text": "during my government service. I was in a"}, {"start": "03:55:48", "end": "03:55:53", "text": "regular air force. I had distinguished"}, {"start": "03:55:51", "end": "03:55:55", "text": "duty in irregular air force. I went to"}, {"start": "03:55:53", "end": "03:55:57", "text": "intelligence"}, {"start": "03:55:55", "end": "03:55:59", "text": "uh for a number of years. I did my duty."}, {"start": "03:55:57", "end": "03:56:02", "text": "I did what I was told to do, how I was"}, {"start": "03:55:59", "end": "03:56:05", "text": "told to do it, and when I was told to do"}, {"start": "03:56:02", "end": "03:56:08", "text": "it. Uh so I know there's a lot of"}, {"start": "03:56:05", "end": "03:56:10", "text": "animosity out there of what I did,"}, {"start": "03:56:08", "end": "03:56:12", "text": "especially during the Pub Benitis case,"}, {"start": "03:56:10", "end": "03:56:14", "text": "which we really didn't go into a lot of"}, {"start": "03:56:12", "end": "03:56:16", "text": "details on. There's a lot more to that"}, {"start": "03:56:14", "end": "03:56:19", "text": "story, but I want to remember as as as"}, {"start": "03:56:16", "end": "03:56:22", "text": "being a person who did their job, did"}, {"start": "03:56:19", "end": "03:56:26", "text": "their duties uh to their country and"}, {"start": "03:56:22", "end": "03:56:29", "text": "then afterwards I served also uh in"}, {"start": "03:56:26", "end": "03:56:31", "text": "trying to get this story out, disclosure"}, {"start": "03:56:29", "end": "03:56:33", "text": "out. That's why I'm here. That's why"}, {"start": "03:56:31", "end": "03:56:36", "text": "I've done over 200 episodes on Gaia."}, {"start": "03:56:33", "end": "03:56:38", "text": "That's why I I I'm open to podcasters or"}, {"start": "03:56:36", "end": "03:56:40", "text": "I I made made videos or I have the Dodie"}, {"start": "03:56:38", "end": "03:56:43", "text": "Chronicles out there. I'm telling the"}, {"start": "03:56:40", "end": "03:56:45", "text": "story as much of it as I can without"}, {"start": "03:56:43", "end": "03:56:47", "text": "disclosing classified information or"}, {"start": "03:56:45", "end": "03:56:51", "text": "jeopardizing national security. That's"}, {"start": "03:56:47", "end": "03:56:51", "text": "why how I want to be remembered."}, {"start": "03:56:51", "end": "03:56:55", "text": ">> Thank you so much for sharing all that."}, {"start": "03:56:54", "end": "03:56:57", "text": "I really appreciate your time. I"}, {"start": "03:56:55", "end": "03:57:00", "text": "appreciate you coming out here and uh"}, {"start": "03:56:57", "end": "03:57:03", "text": "and visiting us and and uh sharing your"}, {"start": "03:57:00", "end": "03:57:05", "text": "stories uh with my audience. And uh I"}, {"start": "03:57:03", "end": "03:57:07", "text": "can't wait to see I can't wait to see"}, {"start": "03:57:05", "end": "03:57:09", "text": "how this is received. To be honest,"}, {"start": "03:57:07", "end": "03:57:10", "text": "there's a lot here. Uh, thank you for"}, {"start": "03:57:09", "end": "03:57:14", "text": "your time, Richard."}, {"start": "03:57:10", "end": "03:57:14", "text": ">> You're very welcome, Chris."}, {"start": "03:57:27", "end": "03:57:29", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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Right. So"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "I I I got I remember I I tried to help"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "Scott Adams, you know, the creator of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "the Dilbert cartoon when he was"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "initially diagnosed with prostate cancer"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "and I knew he was working with"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "oncologists as well and that they were"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "telling him Ivormectin is doesn't work"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "and it's nonsense and he wanted to try"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "tried it for a month. His doctors talked"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "him out of it and then he went with"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "mainstream oncology at Kaiser for the"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "following 16 months and just kept"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "getting worse and worse and worse and"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "worse until he came begging on X. He"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "kept progressing and then eventually 2"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "months later after he came on X asking"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "for help he died. Uh and I get attacked"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "because I tried to help him 16 months"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "before he died when he was initially"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "diagnosed. And I to this day I get"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "attacked with people saying things like,"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "\"Oh, because he tried Ivormectton.\""}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Actually, you'd be shocked, but the"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "current surgeon general candidate,"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "Nicole Sapier, she attacked me publicly"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "and she said that I killed Scott Adams"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "because uh he tried Ivormectin and he"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "delayed his other mainstream treatments"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "and he could have been saved by"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "mainstream oncology. And that was a"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "flatout lie because he didn't delay any"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "treatments whatsoever. I have never told"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "anyone including Scott Adams to delay"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "any conventional treatments. Her post is"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "still available online where she"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "attacked me and she said that I killed"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Scott Adams by trying to help him with"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "Ivormect. But he was so um he was still"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "so invested in in the mainstream medical"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "establishment that he stuck with them to"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "the end and he kept saying, \"Oh, I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "trying a new experimental treatment and"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "this is going to work and that's going"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "to work.\" and he just kept getting worse"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "and worse and worse."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> So to set the record straight, he well"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "he never got ivormectin from you and he"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "never went through that. If"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> he had just combined some of these"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "modalities together, he would have had a"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "much better outcome, I believe."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> Well, it's an even sadder story because"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "he ended up proving the inverse of that."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "He's no longer with us to even have this"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "discussion."}]

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Can you describe like"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "what's going on inside the Trump"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "administration and what she went through"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "with chemo?"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> Yeah, Susie Wilds was diagnosed with"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "breast cancer. This was a few months"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "back and um it was described as early"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "stage, something that, you know, she"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "could beat very handily, that it was"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "caught at an early stage. Uh and you"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "know, so everyone, you know, had a sigh"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "of relief that it was something that was"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "caught early and something that she"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "could get through very easily. Um she"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "gave us an update a couple of days ago."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Uh she put out an article, I believe it"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "was in USA Today and talked about her"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "experience uh of cancer treatment at the"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "Mayo Clinic. Uh now it turns out that"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "she had a much more extensive treatment"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "than we were initially led to believe."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "Um so she didn't just have a surgery"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "like a lumpctomy. Uh she actually had"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "chemotherapy and an extensive"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "chemotherapy regimen and then followed"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "by surgery and and then she was declared"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "cancer free. But in that article, she"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "described chemotherapy as a and"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "her words uh and that it the"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "chemotherapy pushed her to the absolute"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "limits of what you know she could handle"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "as as a human being. And uh you know it"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "it it showed me that she had a really"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "rough time with with the chemotherapy"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "and it it seems that she had a very"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "regular standard regimen from the Mayo"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "Clinic uh with really no attempt to uh"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "reduce her symptoms or enhance her"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "treatment with some of these cutting"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "edge repurpose drugs that are now being"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "studied in Florida."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": ">> So incredibly painful. I described"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "chemotherapy at the beginning as"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "barbaric. Um,"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "and you know, it seems like this is an"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "incredibly outofdate when you hear like"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "we have a Nicholas Holshire on the show,"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "EP epidemiologist,"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "um, uh, from the McCulla Foundation and"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "he's described it. I think the the"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "numbers of success seen from radiation"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "and chemotherapy is incredibly low. Is"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "that is that still the case?"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> It is. And and you know I look at"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "chemotherapy as as a very old outdated"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "technology that goes back decades. And"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "chemotherapy is is you know the thing"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "about chemotherapy that's that's been so"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "difficult is that it hits the cancer but"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "it also hits healthy rapidly dividing"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "cells indiscriminately. That's why"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "people's bone marrow gets hit their"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "blood counts go down. then you have to"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "wait between cycles so that your bone"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "marrow and blood counts recover and then"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "you hit it again. Um, decades old and"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "you know I think what Nick was referring"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "to um was there was a study that came"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "out almost 20 years ago now uh that"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "looked at the 5-year success rate of"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "chemotherapy and how much did"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "chemotherapy contribute to the survival"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "of cancer patients and that number was 2"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "or 3% and and"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": ">> two or 3% That was it. That was the"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "contribution of chemotherapy to the"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "survival of cancer patients when they"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "looked at cancer patients at 5 years and"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "and I believe you know the number was 2%"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "in Australia and I think 3% in in the"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "United States. And so the success of"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "chemotherapy over the long term is very"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "low. In the short term chemotherapy can"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "look pretty good. And you know, the"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "oncologists have the patients go through"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "this ritual where after they're done"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "their chemotherapy and maybe they have"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "their scans, the scans show that they're"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "clear, they do the ringing of the bell,"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "you know, and it's sort of this ritual"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "that cancer patients go through and and"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "cancer patients, you know, they're very"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "happy when they can ring the bell"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "because that means that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "they've gone through the treatment,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "they're cancer-free. The problem is it's"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "very deceptive. It's very deceptive"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "because chemotherapy kills only rapidly"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "dividing cancer cells. It doesn't kill"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "cells that are resistant to the"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "chemotherapy regimen and it doesn't kill"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "cells that are cancer stem cells that"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "are quiescent and are not dividing"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "rapidly. And so those cells can hang"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "around for you know a couple of years"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "after the chemo and then become"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "reactivated causing metastases and"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "spread of the disease."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> Okay. Um yeah and of course the reason"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "we don't hear about Ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "um and these other drugs and and"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "research right now is because the"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "biioharmaceutical complex they make so"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "much money off of pushing chemotherapy"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "and radiation treatments. I think it"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "costs well over $100,000"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "for chemo. No wonder they want to"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "continue this barbaric ritual of"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "chemotherapy. Am I wrong?"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> That's right. But it it it it gets even"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "more interesting than that because there"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "is an attempt to replace most of the"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "chemotherapy right now in oncology but"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "with even more expensive drugs. And so"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "these are called targeted uh therapies"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "and and you know things like Kitruda or"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "Optivo. These are uh cancer treatment"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "drugs that have specific targets for a"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "particular cancer but they will cost you"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "$200,000 a year, $300,000 a year. And so"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "now the typical drug cancer drug that"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "comes out is in the price range of $200"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "to $400,000 a year. There was a"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "pancreatic cancer drug that just uh came"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "out a couple of months ago and"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "everyone's raving about it. And you know"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "it gives you a few months of extra"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "survival benefit maybe 3, four, five"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "months of extra survival in stage four"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "pancreatic cancer which you know which"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "is a lot for some patients. you you give"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "the families that extra time, but about"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "40% of these cancer patients have severe"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "side effects and the cost is over"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "$300,000 a year. How how long until we"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "start hearing from that same"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "pharmaceutical complex that oh,"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "chemotherapy is now out of date. We're"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "really recommending these new drugs and"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "yes, it's older. Chemo has shown some"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "success. Two or 3% years ago, it's"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "$100,000. But these new drugs are more"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "in fashion. you're going to start to see"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "like the marketing push from the"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "hospitals and um and biioharmaceutical"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "complex. Am I wrong?"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> We're already seeing that um even with"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "the mRNA cancer vaccine. So recently we"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "saw Mona come out with a press release"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "saying that their new mRNA cancer"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "vaccine hit some milestones uh and had"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "success. And so the Mona's stock shot up"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "from, you know, $50 to almost $200,"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "but they didn't show any of their uh"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "phase 3 trial results from that mRNA"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "cancer vaccine. And no one talks about"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "the cost of the mRNA cancer vaccine"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "either. So this vaccine cancer vaccine"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "that Mona is trying to eventually put"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "out is nine injections of mRNA, nine"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "injections of Kituda that they're"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "combining with. Now, my theory is that"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "they're combining it with a more"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "established cancer drug to actually help"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "them show efficacy because the mRNA"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "probably doesn't have any efficacy at"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "all. Uh, so you have 18 injections and"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "it's it's estimated that it will cost"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "somewhere between $4 and $500,000."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "And so this is what's going to be"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "pushed. And and you're absolutely right."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "The way you're describing it is it"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "reminds me of the the first two doses of"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "the COVID vaccine where we were told"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "it's 99% effective, 95% effective and"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "then we saw it slowly drop and when they"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "needed to roll out the booster shots"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "suddenly the first two shots are not"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "that effective anymore and uh well now"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "we need a booster shot uh you know to to"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "to to give you protection again. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "the same kind of playbook. Uh we're"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "going to see it with chemo. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "these new treatments are very, very"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "expensive. Uh, and that's the goal. It"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "there's no cancer treatment coming out"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "right now that is not less than"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "$200,000."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> That's insane. I mean, it's criminal. It"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "really is. And so, now let's talk about"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "ivormectin, which we couldn't even I"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "couldn't even interview you on YouTube a"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "few years ago. I mean, it was banned. We"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "couldn't even talk about it. So, at"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "least now with X and you, it seems like"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "we're able to have this conversation"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "now. Um, so what changed in the science"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "that made researchers start taking"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "ivormectin seriously as a possible"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "cancer treatment? Did anything in the"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "science and research show up or was it"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "there all along as a potential stopping"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "of cancer treatment?"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> You know, you'll be uh interested to"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "know that the first studies that came"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "out that showed anti-cancer activity"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "ivormectin were back in 1996."}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "uh the first mouse studies that showed"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "tumor shrinkage from ivormectin and"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "other antiparasitics like meendazol and"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "fenendazole were in the early 2000s. So"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "this has been known for about 20 years."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "Uh now it's it's obscure. A lot of the"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "papers are you know behind pay walls or"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "or you know you can't find them. Uh and"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "and no one really talked about it. uh it"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "was really the pandemic that brought out"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "uh the interest in looking at well what"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "is this drug ivormectin that is you know"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "having such great efficacy for for covid"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "and and other viruses and that's how I"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "stumbled upon this body of research in"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "ivormectin and cancer now it's over 400"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "papers uh but we've known about this for"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "almost 20 years what is changing you"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "know I think the the major thing that's"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "changing is that so many cancer patients"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "are now using them and and really going"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "in many cases behind their oncologist's"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "back. The numbers are in the tens of"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "thousands of cancer patients, possibly"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "over a 100 thousand cancer patients. I"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "can tell you a couple of years ago at"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "the height of the censorship that we had"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "with COVID. There was a fenendazole"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "um in cancer support group on Facebook."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "Uh so it was cancer patients who were"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "taking fenbendazol and were sharing"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "their stories, success stories and how"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "to use it and side effects and so on."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "That group grew to over a 100,000"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "members. I think it got to about 150,000"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "members before Facebook took it down,"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "you know, locked it and took it down and"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "the censorship was back on. But cancer"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "patients, you know, they're using it. Uh"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "they're, you know, some of them are"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "telling their doctors, some of them are"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "not telling their doctors. Um and it's"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "now come to the point where every"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "oncologist will have several cancer"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "patients who are taking these repurposed"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "drugs and they're doing better and the"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "oncologists see that these patients are"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "doing better. And so this caught the"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "attention of uh Florida officials uh"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "Governor Ronda Santis of course his wife"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "Casey Deantis very interested in cancer"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "research. she had breast cancer. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "you know, Florida surgeon general who is"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "also another amazing doctor who's very"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "interested in in cutting edge research"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "as well. And so last year they uh put"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "forward this initiative to allocate"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "research funds. It was at least $60"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "million to actually research these"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "repurposed drugs in cancer like"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "Ivormectin, Meendazol, Fenbendazol uh"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "and to actually get these clinical"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "trials up and running. And it's the"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "first government at any level that has"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "shown this kind of support uh certainly"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "in North America."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:13", "text": ">> All right, we're going to get back to"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "that interview here in a second, but"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "first it is nearly impossible to avoid"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "plastic today. We're ingesting six times"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "more microlastics than in the year 1990,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "if you could believe that. 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So, and it's it's like I know"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "because we have family members who are,"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "you know, have had deal had to deal with"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "this and it's like an education process"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "where my wife and I are having to like"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "walk them through and why haven't I ever"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "heard of this, you know, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "just go and get chemo. I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "go and Okay, so it sounds like it's"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "fringe. Wait a minute. There's something"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "off the store shelves I could get."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "Literally, I could even go down to"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "Murphy's, which is a feed store, and get"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "the paste and from for horses, which is"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "in many ways more of a pure version of"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "it anyway. Um, put it in the back of my"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "throat with a finger swipe and put it in"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "the back of my throat instead of taking"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "the pill. Um, wait a go down the street"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "and get that stuff. I don't need to"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "spend $400,000 on some weird uh"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "biioharmaceutical push. Anyway, sorry"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "for my little diet tribe. I'm just a"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "little angry about it lately. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "what is the strongest evidence that you"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "point to that says this deserves"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "legitimate clinical investigation?"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": ">> You know, honestly, um, I I've gone"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "through the Everkin research and and"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "doctors don't read the preclinical"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "research and and oncologist oncologists"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "considered beneath them. you know they"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "will say well where's my you know large"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "randomized control trial of thousands of"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "patients sponsored by you know Merc or"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Noardis or Fizer um or Johnson and"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "Johnson and a lot of these co vaccine"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "companies are now they're all getting"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "into cancer by the way um so doctors"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "don't read the research and it's there"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "there's over 400 published studies on"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "ivormectin there's over 250 published"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "studies on"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "now we're moving because of thanks to"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "Florida. Uh we're going from the"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "pre-clinical research to clinical"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "research to the clinical trials. And I"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "can tell you last year in 2025, there"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "were two clinical trials ongoing with"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "ivormectin and cancer. One of them in"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Florida, one in California. Uh and I"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "believe the one in California is"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "finishing next month. And and so there"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": ">> these are human trials. That was going"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "to be one of my we've seen and we've"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "seen petri dish in vitro. We've seen"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "animal testing, but now we're going to"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "see human testing for these clinical"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "trials."}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": ">> That's right. So last year there were"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "two clinical human trials in Ivormectin."}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "Uh and uh now there's been seven"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "clinical trials with meendazole in"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "humans again that nobody knows about. Um"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "and John's Hopkins a large cancer center"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "has a patent on meendazole. They've done"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "you know two clinical trials in"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "mendazole for adults and children. But"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "with ivormectin, the shift has been so"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "drastic that two clinical trials last"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "year, six clinical trials this year,"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "four new clinical trials have been"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "funded by the Florida Cancer Innovation"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "Fund. Uh the Casey Dantis uh sort of"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "cancer research program. Uh so now we're"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "at six clinical trials with ivormectin."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "I'm right now working on three big"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "clinical trials with ivormectin, trying"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "to get those off the ground, including"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "in children. Uh so maybe by next year"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "we'll have a dozen clinical trials in"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "ivormectin and and that really shifts"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "the conversation."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": ">> I bet it does. And what what have the"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "have we gotten the results from these"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "clinical trials yet? Do we know the"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "any of the data out of them from on the"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "human side?"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": ">> We don't we don't have results yet. So"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "for example as I mentioned one of the"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "earlier clinical trials is finishing"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "next month and usually"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:53", "text": ">> okay"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": ">> when they close the trials then few"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "months later uh they will publish uh"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "some results maybe uh you know a poster"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "and so on."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> Interestingly with meendazole there was"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "a phase three trial done in Egypt I"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "believe and uh it showed incredible"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "results. So they so they gave uh"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "metastatic colon cancer patients they"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "gave them uh fox avasten and then uh the"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "other group was fulfastin and meendazol"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "and the group that had just the chemo"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "and the targeted therapy after 3 months"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "about 70 of them prog 70% of them"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "progressed when you added meendazol"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "another antiparasthetic like ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "only 15% of those patients progressed"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "progress meaning get got worse"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": ">> meaning got worse okay so the meendazole"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "you know uh shrunk the disease or"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "stabilized the disease in in the vast uh"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "numbers of patients and again I didn't"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "know about this trial because it's it"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "you know it's it's it's an obscure trial"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "uh it was obviously not done in North"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "America it was done in Egypt and it's"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "behind a payw wall so as I was doing my"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "grant applications in uh Florida uh and"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "I'm trying to get an ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "combination with my bend trial going"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "here in Florida. Um, I had to go and and"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "really dig up all the the research on"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "the benzole, for example. So, I had to"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "pay for all the papers that are behind"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "pay walls. Uh, and there's some really"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "amazing things that are really hidden uh"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "from the general public. Uh, and trials"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "that have already been done and results"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "that if it was a $300,000 drug, you"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "know, they'd be screaming it from the"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "rooftops and it would be on on CNN."}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": ">> Yeah. But because you can go down to the"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "feed store and pick it up, uh there, you"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "know, and they can't make any money off"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "of it in the way that they would like."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "This is why you're not hearing about it."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "I just wanted to give you our"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "experience. My I had my wife send this"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "over to me because her mom lives up in"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "Idaho in Meridian, Idaho, and we were"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "trying to get we were trying to get"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "Ivormectin. Um and my wife called I'm"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "going to read verbatim what she said. I"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "called threearmacies that told me no,"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "they wouldn't sell it without a"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "prescription, even though it is the law."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "They said they only sell the cream,"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "which I guess the topical cream. I had"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "to call around for a pharmacy that would"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "give it to us in pill form, and my mom"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "was so scared to go in there to pick it"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "up. The one place that gets it was"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Portico Pharmacy in Meridian. They"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "understood. They had no problem with it."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "The other pharmacies gave me attitude"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "because they said it's not FDA approved,"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "which is false. Now, I've heard from"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "other sources who've told me that there"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "was like a I don't know, a call went"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "out, something went out to prevent"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "pharmacies from allowing you to even get"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "this without a prescription. They would"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "even then question you. It was a whole"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "production. Um, so why is it so"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "difficult for someone to just go and get"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "ivormectin which is FDA approved and it"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "is the law that you can get it from my"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "understanding without a prescription"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "right in certain states. So I believe"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "we're up to six or seven states where"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "you can get ivormectin without a"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "prescription and that's the law. Uh now"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "thesearmacies are manyarmacies are still"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "unwilling to um supply it provide it uh"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "to patients and you're right this goes"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "back to to to the co era where there was"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "this sort of blanket call that had gone"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "out to suppress ivormectin and suppress"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "hydroxychloroquin so that you know the"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "vaccines co vaccines could be rolled out"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "under emergency authorization and I"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "think a lot of this is still lingering a"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "lot of this still remains and a lot of"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "that um propaganda Anda I would say has"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "survived from from the co era and and so"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "it's been a real challenge trying to get"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "past that blocking. Uh pharmacies are"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "not allowed to practice medicine. They"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "are not allowed to decide uh which"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "medication they will give or not give if"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "the doctor has given the prescription. I"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "mean that is pra that is the practice of"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "medicine deciding whether a patient will"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "get a medication or not. And that's"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "illegal that I mean that is illegal in"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "every single state and yet they don't"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "get punished for it. And so uh there's"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "this whole culture of suppression around"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "ivormectin and I really think it it it's"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "the it's the the cost of ivormectin. Now"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "ivormectin is still expensive in the"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "United States. There's still you know 12"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "milligram pills that will go for three"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "four $5. Uh I believe Dr. Mary Taliban"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "in Texas has gotten the price under a"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "dollar. So she has a pharmacy and a"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "supplier selling it under a dollar a"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "pill. Um but it's still considered"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "expensive in the United States. You can"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "go on India Mart and get ivormectin for"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "5 cents or 10 cents a pill and buy tens"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "of thousands of pills and have them"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "shipped uh you know to the United"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "States. But when you look at even the"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "cost of ivormectin in the United States"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "compared to one of these new drugs,"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "cancer drugs that are $200 or $300,000,"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "the revenue drop for the cancer drug"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "industry if ivormectin were embraced in"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "any way uh in the treatment of cancer,"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "the revenue drop would be 99.99%."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "I've done the calculation. I've done the"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "math. And that is the drop. It's a"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "99.99% drop in revenue if patients"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "decide to go one route as opposed to"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "another. Now a lot of patients are"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "discovering ivormectin really really"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "late stage 4 cancer that has"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "metastasized to their liver bones"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "brains. So at that point they may need"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "every treatment that's available to them"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "combined with you know ivormectinazone"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "and so on. But at the early stages, some"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "patients may just choose to go the route"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "of these cheap repurposed drugs and skip"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "the whole multi00,000"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "revenue uh process altogether. And"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "that's what they're afraid of."}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": ">> Of course, I was just about to ask you,"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "is it because, you know, why are doctors"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "still so scared of this? um is it"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "because the push from the pharmaceutical"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "complex pushing them to into these"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "higher cost protocols"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "and and honestly, you know, I I've I've"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "heard from thousands of patients. I've"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "I've I've helped over 9,000 patients"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "over the last 2 years and and they tell"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "me the stories of of the the discussions"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "they have with their oncologists and and"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "what their oncologists tell tell them"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "about, you know, Ivormekin and so on. Um"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "and oncologists are really constrained"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "in that you know there's no uh art and"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "science of medicine in oncology. It it's"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "it's completely guideline driven"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "especially in the United States. you"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "you've got these NCCN guidelines that"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "come from, you know, this institution"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "and it's all controlled by big pharma uh"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "in terms of what drugs, chemo or"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "targeted drugs get into the guidelines"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "and that's the only thing that the"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "oncologist can use. And so the"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "oncologists know that even if they have"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "a 95% failure rate with chemo and other"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "drugs, but as long as they follow the"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "big pharma approved guidelines, their"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "career is safe. they don't have to worry"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "about anything and the patient always"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "comes last in this calculation."}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": ">> You've authored over 110 papers I think"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "on the subject. Um you've been a pioneer"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "in ivormectin and men menzadol research."}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "Um, so I get a little confused"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "admittedly when I hear, okay, so you got"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "cancer, run out, you know, grab"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "ivormectin, uh, but then also menenzadol"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "and then also maybe fenbenzadol and like"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "um, so maybe you can break it down for"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "us because I I know we're going to get a"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "lot of comments here on this video."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "They're like, \"Okay, well, should I just"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "get this? Should I get this and"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "Menbenzol? Should I get fenbadol and"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "ivormectin, the a cocktail of the three"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "of them? Should I add in a fourth"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "thing?\" Can you like walk us through"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "like which cancers appear to be most"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "promising so far as it deals with"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "ivormectin against you know certain"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "tumor types etc. Maybe you can explain"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "it to me like I'm a fifth grader I guess"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "is what I'm asking."}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:03", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": ">> So what you what you've described right"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "there is what I would call the evolution"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "of the use of repurposed drugs in"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "cancer. And what we had uh you know"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "several years back was a serendipitous"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "discovery that a particular"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "antiparasitic drug has you know good"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "anti-cancer activity. So it happened"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "with fenbendazole. Joe Tippens was an"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "Oklahoma man with stage 4 small cell"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "lung cancer. He was in his 60s. He was"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "told that there was no treatments for"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "him, that he should go home and he had a"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "few months left. And his veterinary"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "friends told him about Fen Bendazole,"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "which was a dog dewormer. And there were"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "there was research a few years before"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "that that had shown that when"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "researchers were studying mice and"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "tumors in mice and they had parasite"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "infections, so they gave them fendazol"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "and they come back later and find out"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "the tumors are gone. And they were very"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "upset because they they were just trying"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "to deworm the mice. And it turns out"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "that their their project was ruined"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "because the cancers disappeared in the"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "mice and they published it and they said"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "well there's some anti- cancer activity"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "here and of course then other"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "researchers went and did follow-up"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "research to show that. So these are you"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "know these were serendipitous"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "discoveries uh and honestly I don't even"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "know who discovered that Ivormectin you"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "know had anti-cancer activity in humans."}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "There's a very small uh case series uh"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "in 2020 by Diccastro where uh they gave"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "uh they were testing the safety of"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "ivormectin for covid and they gave it to"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "three children with leukemia. This is"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "where the the dosing of 1 milligram per"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "kilogram of ivormectin comes from and"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "they these were children with very very"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "aggressive leukemia uh pretty much at"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "the end of the line. And they put two of"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "those three kids into remission for"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "almost uh a year. And that was published"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "and it was published as a as a safety"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "piece for use in co 19 like look it's"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "safe in these leukemia kids you know"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "that means it's probably safe to use in"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "in healthy adults"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:05", "text": ">> but not thinking that oh wait a second"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "it might have done something to the"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "cancer the leukemia also"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": ">> well they reported it so they reported"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "the the fact that you know two of those"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "kids were put into remission uh but but"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "that was it that wasn't the goal of of"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "of their study or or their paper. So you"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "get these serendipitous discoveries and"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "so there are antiparasics that have"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "anti-cancer activities individually by"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "themselves. Now if you take ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "by itself and you say look I have a very"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "aggressive cancer. I'm not going to take"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "any standard treatments and I will just"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "take ivormectin at a let's say a medium"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "dose. Ivormectin is not that great by"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "itself at controlling a tumor and it may"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "do so only about 10 15% of cases by"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "itself right uh and I'm talking about"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "all cancers across the board"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": ">> and are you talking about when you say a"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "medium dose of 25 milligs"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:02", "text": ">> uh well medium dose I would say 48"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "millig 60 millig that dose range so it's"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "a higher than the antiviral and"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "antiparasitic so antiviral antiparasitic"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "is about 12 to 24 millig for cancer"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "answer, you're looking at 48 to 60"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "milligrams a day."}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:17", "text": ">> So, um, and then, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "oncologist may say, well, you know,"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "Ivormectin, uh, is not that great. I've"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "had patients that just took ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "and they progressed and so on. So,"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "Ivormekin is very good at halting uh,"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "tumor growth signaling, but not at"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "actual killing of cancer cells. Uh, it"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "does it, but not to to a great extent."}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "But then you have meendazol or fenazole."}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "Now they're in the same family. It's a"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "different antiparasitic and their attack"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "on cancer is a little bit different. So"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "ivormectin attacks the growth signals."}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "It attacks the cancer stem cells. Uh it"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "attacks the ability of tumors to"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "metastasize. Whereas fenbendazol and"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "abendazol will attack it'll inhibit the"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "glucose transporters on the tumor cells."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "So starving them off fuel. It'll"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "stimulate uh p-53 tumor suppressor which"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "drives programmed cancer cell death. So"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "the mechanisms are different even"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "between antiparasitics"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "and and they don't clash. So you can"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "combine the two. So now you combine"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "ivormectin and meendazol let's say and"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "suddenly your tumor control across all"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "cancers has gone from 10 15% maybe to"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "40%. 50%. And now you have a game"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "changer right now. and and the cancer"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "cell control."}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": ">> And by the way, we should point out that"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "that percentage is higher than the"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "effects if I'm not mistaken of radiation"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "and chemotherapy, right?"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Now, again, this is I'm just"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "giving you a sort of a a very rough"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "rough estimate just just so people have"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "an idea. Uh because you know there"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "there's a lot of accusations that fly."}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "They say, well, you know, people claim"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "that Ivormectin is 100% cure or meendol"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "is 100% cure. No one has ever claimed"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "that, right? like there's no such thing"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "as a 100% cure in cancer. Uh even with"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "you know mRNA and AI you know where"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "they're claiming they're going to cure"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "all cancer in a couple years. I don't"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "believe that."}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:12", "text": ">> But even going from you know Ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "and Mmanadol being put together and now"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "you're at 40 45 50% in tumor reduction"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "and the progression is stopping. That's"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "remarkable."}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": ">> That becomes a gamecher. Um and then"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "when if you take that activity and let's"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "say you're at stage four and you've got"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "a lot of disease and and the disease is"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "spreading all over the place. Um now if"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "you're combining some of you know you"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "can combine it with chemo, you can"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "combine it with radiation, you can"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "combine it with hormone therapy and"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "breast cancer, prostate cancer or"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "targeted therapy. Now you're getting"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "into 75 80% tumor control and it really"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "enhances"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "you know almost all of the standard"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "treatments that are given to cancer"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "patients. Now there you have a real game"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "changer uh and Nicholas Halure you know"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "they recently with Peter McCulla put out"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "a paper uh for 200 cancer patients that"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "they studied prospectively with"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "ivormectin and reported an 84% benefit."}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "Now that you know that's that that's a"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "totality of benefits. It's not tumor"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "shrinkage just uh it's also slowing down"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "tumor growth, stabilizing disease uh and"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "getting rid of you know malignant"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "tacites or malignant plural eusions,"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "getting rid of cancer pain. Uh so you"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "know that's a totality of benefit but"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "you really get into numbers that are"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "completely game-changing and the cancer"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "drug industry really wants nothing to do"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "with this even if there's a benefit to"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "their own treatments because it makes"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "chemo look better. It makes radiation"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "look better. And you will have"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "oncologists who gave a patient chemo."}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "They're taking also ivormectin and"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "aabendazole. And the oncologist will"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "tell them, I have never seen this kind"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "of a response with chemo. You're my best"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "patient. You're the best patient I've"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "had in 30 years. Meanwhile, you know,"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "the patient's too afraid to tell them,"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "\"By the way, I'm also taking ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "bendol. That's why your chemo looks so"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "good.\" But they won't do it. They won't"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "add this to their regimen. And that's"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "why I was so shocked when Susie Wilds,"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "you have one of the most powerful women"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "in the world. Undoubtedly, Susie Wilds,"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "one of the most powerful women in the"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "world, chief of staff for the most"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "powerful man in the world, President"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "Trump. And they didn't give her any of"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "of this benefit that you can get with"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "combining the treatments."}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": ">> That is so strange. I mean, well, also,"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "President Trump has continued to push"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "his love for, although he's been told"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "privately, stop talking about it, but"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "Operation Warp Speed and pushing the"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "COVID vaccine. So, it seems like there's"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "some sort of a internal fight about all"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "of that inside the Trump administration"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "and the big money there uh associated"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "with it. So when it comes to certain"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "cancers with ivormectin, menbenzadol, is"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "there a dis a decision that you have to"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "make saying I want to do fenbenzadol"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "versus menbenzadol and ivormectin? Like"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "that's where I get confused."}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:03", "text": ">> Yeah. And and and and that's"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "understandable. I think it's, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "it's it's confusing for a lot of people,"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "but it goes back to the the research"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "that's out there, the published"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "research. And again, it's pre-clinical"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "research because fenbendazol is not FDA"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "approved. No one has done the work to"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "get the FDA approval. So again, it's"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "it's it's research done in labs,"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "research done in rats or animals. When"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "you look at the pre-clinical research,"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "certain cancers do better with"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "meendazole. So for example, uh meendol"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "crosses the bloodb brain barrier much"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "better than fenbendazol. So you use it"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "for all the brain tumors, use it for the"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "primary brain tumors like glyobblastoma,"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "astroytoma, but you also use it for"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "brain metastases. So breast cancer that"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "has metastasized to the brain um or lung"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "cancer that has metastasized to the"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "brain you would use meendazole because"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "it's going to more of it is going to get"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "to the brain."}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:59", "text": ">> Meendazol is also better for squamousel"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "cancers. Uh these are the skin cancers."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "Um so you know you've got the skin"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "cancers like basilc cell but you also"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "have the head and neck cancers. Uh so"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "everything in sort of the this this area"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "uh those are squamous cell cancers. The"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "upper part of the esophagus is squamous"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "cell. The cervix cervical cancer is"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "squamous cell. Whereas fenbendazole from"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "my experience seems to be better for the"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "adenocarcinomaomas which are you know"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "glandular based cancers. These are the"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "breast cancers, prostate cancers, lung,"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "pancreas,"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "uh you know gallbladder, collangio"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "carcinoma, uh stomach is is a glandular"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "cancer. So for those those seem to"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "respond better to fenbendazol and and"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "again you see this in preclinical"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "research and what they do is they'll"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "actually put them side by side, test the"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "same tumors and see how many of the"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "cancer cells are killed. Now, they're"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "fairly similar, but let's say Meendazol"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "will give you 10% better cancer killing"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "in these cancers that I described. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "you may want to take that instead. Also,"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "doctors feel much more comfortable"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "prescribing Meendazol because it is FDA"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "approved whereas fenbendazol isn't."}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:11", "text": ">> Wow. Okay, that that two minutes summed"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "it up for me perfectly. Thank you so"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "much. That has been a big question I've"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "had. I've heard people different"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "protocols. They're doing fenbenzadol"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "versus menbenzenol with ivormectin and"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "they're seeing uh"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:22", "text": ">> and one more thing I would add is it's"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "also what you can get your hands on and"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "and this is now I I you know I've had"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "cancer patients come to me from all"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "around the world from places I would"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "have never imagined they would have"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "heard my name from whether it's Albania"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "or Romania or Saudi Arabia or you know"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "Korea, India, Pakistan"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "um and it's a matter of what you can get"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "locally as well and so But you know"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "there are places in the world where"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "meendazole you can get it like candy."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "You you can load up a wheelbarrow full"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "of meendazol and it's just you know it"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "it's it's almost free and you know"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "there's some places where fenbendazol is"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "very very cheap. For example in the"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "United States uh and Canada fenbendazole"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "is extremely cheap because again you"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "know it's an animal dewormer. You can it"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "it's sold in large quantities whereas"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "meendazol because it was FDA approved"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "the price went up you know several fold."}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "uh so that again back in the older days"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "uh pharmaceutical companies could make"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "money. Uh all of them are off patent at"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "this point. John's Hopkins has tried to"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "get a patent on a version of"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "Meabendazole but um I'm told that you"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "know they've had trouble in the lab and"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "stabilizing it and so on. And I guess"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "there wasn't enough of a profit"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "incentive for them for it. So they"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "really haven't done anything with the"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "patent at all. They haven't talked about"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "it. It's just been sitting on a shelf."}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "All right, we'll get back to that"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "conversation in a second. But what we're"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "just talking about with Katherine is"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "exactly the trouble that we're facing."}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "$40 trillion in debt, the current US"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "national debt. This move to move away"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "from the US dollar as we know it and"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "move towards this US backed stable coin."}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "So what? And a control grid that"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "controls everything we do. But the $40"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "trillion number, like it's a number so"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "large it's almost impossible to wrap"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "your head around. But the consequences"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "are very real. So, while we're printing"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "money like it's confetti, other nations"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "are actively looking for the exit door,"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "trying to reduce their reliance on the"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "US dollar. And when the world's reserve"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "currency is being debased by its own"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "government, when economic and political"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "uncertainty are everyday headlines, when"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "the cost of living is through the roof,"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "then you need to make sure you've got"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "precious metals in your life, gold and"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "silver. It's so funny because the idea"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "of like they're going to hand out like"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "some sort of a universal basic income as"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "part of this like US back stable coin"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "boondoggle."}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "So yeah, take that money and convert it"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "to gold. That's why so many states"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "across the US now are starting to accept"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "gold as currency where you can go and"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "pay for things in gold and silver. Texas"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "just rolled it out as well. So what is"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "my money actually worth? Like it's a"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "good question. That's why Natalie and I"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "recommend gold and silver. Having some"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "of this to protect your family. the"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "original currencies. They can't be"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "printed. They can't be debased. They"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "can't be controlled with this third lock"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "system that Katherine was just talking"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "about. They've never been worth 0. 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So, call them"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "1800613-33557."}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "Uh 1800 613-3557"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "or just visit lerred redacted.com."}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "when we look at these protocols so like"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "60 milligrams of ivormectin you take"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "menzadol with it if you've got brain"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "tumor etc and that's your how long is"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "are we seeing this it's like 3 months 6"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "months a year"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> so I can tell you um you start seeing"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "results if the cancer responds because"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "you know sometimes the cancer will not"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "respond but if it it is responding"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "you'll see blood markers blood cancer"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "markers respond in about a month so"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "you'll see the PSA start going down."}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "You'll see CA going down in colon"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "cancers, CA125 in ovarian cancers, uh CA"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "153 in breast cancers, those will start"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "going down usually in about a month or"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "so. Um, if the cancer markers continue"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "to go up, uh, you may need to start"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "adjusting the dose. So, you could adjust"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "the dose as early as 1 month in. on"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "imaging like PET CT, MRI or CT, you"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "start seeing changes in the tumors about"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "two to three months in. Usually, you"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "know, closer to 3 months, but I'd say"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "about 2 to 3 months, you start seeing"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "shrinkage in tumors. So you know there's"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "a lot of cancer patients who have come"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "to me at a very early stage and they"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "would have let's say a breast tumor and"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "then little lymph nodes that will light"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "up and you know there'll be suggestion"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "there's cancer in there and so they'll"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "take ivormectin and mendazol for 3"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "months while they're waiting for their"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "surgery for example this is early stage"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "they don't need chemo um and then you"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "know they'll have the surgery the"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "pathologist will look at the tissue and"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "the lymph nodes that were you know small"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "fairly small to begin with but were"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "cancerous there's no cancer there so"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "within 3 months the ivormectin benzol"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "has cleared the cancer and they they"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "took nothing else"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:24", "text": ">> wow"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:27", "text": ">> uh for the larger tumors so I've had"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "patients who have had a 6 or 7 cm breast"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "tumors and when they have the operation"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "it's now a 2 cm tumor or 2 and 1/2 cm"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "tumor so it's shrunk by more than you"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "know 60 or 70% just during that time"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "that they were waiting for their surgery"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "that they were going to have anyways but"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "their doctor wasn't giving them anything"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "else. And it's cases like this that have"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "shown me that, you know, you can see"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "results after a few months. And there"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "are now patients that have come to me 2"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "years ago. I I started uh helping cancer"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "patients in the summer of 2024, and"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "they've been on protocol for 2 years."}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "They're doing great. Um there's no"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "long-term effects that that I've seen uh"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "from these repurposed drugs. Joe Tippens"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "has been on Fenzol for 7 years. uh and"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "he takes it, you know, every day uh for"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "the for 7 years now. So, he's the"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "longest case that we know of. Uh but now"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "there's a lot of cancer patients now"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "that we have data that have been doing"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "it for 2 years and are doing great."}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:27", "text": ">> So, I was going to ask you finally, can"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "we can it be used as a preventative? I"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "did the Ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "uh Menbenzadol combo for 2 weeks just"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "for uh you know, just for a parasite"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "parasite cleanse for about two weeks. Um"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "but as a preventative, is this something"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "that you would recommend people taking"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "on a regular basis?"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:47", "text": ">> You know, when it comes to to"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "recommending things, you always have to"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "uh go back and say um what's the"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "evidence for for a recommendation,"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "right? And so so when it comes to"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "prevention, no one has studied it"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "unfortunately. Um the hypothesis is that"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "u when you take lower doses of"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "ivormectin and meendazol and bendazol"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "that they I mean they will kill"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "parasites uh and they will probably kill"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "uh either tiny tumors or just you know"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "precancerous cells that may eventually"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "develop into tumors. So on on the on a"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "hypothesis basis, there should be a"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "benefit in preventing cancers,"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "especially for someone who's a"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "high-risisk individual. They have family"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "history or maybe they've had cancer in"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "the past and they're worried about the"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "cancer coming back. Um, but no one has"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "unfortunately studied it. I hope it's"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "one of those things that we will study"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "down the road. Right now, we're just"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "trying to get uh clinical trials up and"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "running for very aggressive cancers that"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "patients need help right now uh to deal"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "with. Uh that's what we're trying to do"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "in in Florida. Uh but I'm hoping that"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "down the road we will study cancer"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "prevention as well."}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:00", "text": ">> Finally, I guess because you just"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "brought up a point I hadn't thought of."}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "These studies, these new clinical"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "studies that are underway and we're"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "hoping to get results very soon. you are"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "they these are for aggressive cancers"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "meaning stage three stage four or just"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "stage four"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:18", "text": ">> I would say uh yes the the the clinical"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "trials are looking at metastatic cancer"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "so they're going to be stage four um I"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "was thinking initially about doing an"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "early stage uh clinical trial and the"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "problem there is that um when you do a"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "trial um especially for early stage"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "cancer And let's say something goes"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "wrong. Uh that will put a target on you"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "where the mainstream oncology is going"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "to say, \"Oh, look, you had these these"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "patients that could have been cured by"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "chemo or could have been cured by"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "radiation and they progressed because"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "they took ivormectin and you killed"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "them, Dr. Mackis.\" Right? So, um, you"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "know, I I I got I remember I I tried to"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "help Scott Adams, uh, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "creator of the Dilbert cartoon, when he"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "was initially diagnosed with prostate"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "cancer, and I knew he was working with"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "oncologists as well, uh, and that they"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "were telling him, you know, Ivormekin is"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "doesn't work and it's it's nonsense. Um,"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "and, you know, he he wanted to try tried"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "it for a month. His doctors talked him"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "out of it and then he went with"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "mainstream oncology at Kaiser for the"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "following 16 months and just kept"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "getting worse and worse and worse and"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "worse until he came begging on X. Uh he"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "he was begging the White House for help"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "because Kaiser was withholding"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "treatment. He kept progressing and then"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "eventually you know two months later"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "after he came on X asking for help he"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "died. uh and I get attacked because I"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "tried to help him you know 16 months"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "before he died when he was initially"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "diagnosed you know he asked me for I I"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "didn't go to him he came to me asking"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "for help and you know I to this day I"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "get attacked with people saying things"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "like oh because he tried Ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "actually you you'd be shocked but the"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "current surgeon general candidate uh"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "Nicole"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> Sapier"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": ">> she actually Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:17", "text": ">> Yeah. She attacked me publicly and she"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "said that I killed Scott Adams because"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "uh he tried Ivormectin and he delayed"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "his other mainstream treatments and he"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "could have been saved by mainstream"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "oncology. And that was a flatout lie"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "because he didn't delay any treatments"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "whatsoever. I have never told anyone"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "including Scott Adams to delay any"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "conventional treatments. And this is now"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "you know the person who's uh going"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "through the application process for"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "surgeon general. Her post is still"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "available online where she attacked me"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "and she said that I killed Scott Adams"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "by trying to help him with Ivormectton."}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:50", "text": ">> Well, she went from Fox News to to the"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "White House. So, that should tell you"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "everything you need to know."}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:59", "text": ">> Um, that's crazy. Um, and also Scott was"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "a big proponent of the COVID vaccine if"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "I'm not mistaken. So, he was he was he"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "kind of made fun of people for not"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "getting the COVID vaccine back in the"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "day"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:09", "text": ">> and you know and and he he was vaccine"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "injured. He he admitted that and you"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "know he made some videos where he said"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "well the antivaxers were right and you"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "know they were right for the wrong"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "reasons and you know you got lucky and"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "and and you know it was your distrust of"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "the government or whatever it was and I"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "mean it's a sad story because uh I I"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "loved Scott Adams. I enjoyed his work. I"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "enjoyed his predictions. I got to know"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "him when he you know initially predicted"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "Trump's uh President Trump's victory in"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "2016. Uh you know he had some very"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "interesting insights. uh but he was so"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "um he was still so invested in in in the"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "mainstream medical establishment uh that"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "he he stuck with them to the end and he"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "kept saying oh you know I'm trying a new"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "experimental treatment and this is going"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "to work and that's going to work and he"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "just kept getting worse and worse and"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "worse."}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:50:00", "text": ">> So to set the record straight he well he"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "never got ivormectin from you and he"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "never went through that protocol. He"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "ended up just going with the mainstream"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "He he tried he he told me that he tried"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "it for a month and and so he now he"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "never told me where he got his"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "Ivormectin orphan Benazol you know he he"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "was very guarded in that sense uh but he"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "did try it for a month uh I tried to"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "guide him you know through that but then"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "he he said well it's not working my PSA"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "keeps rising and then he stopped"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "communicating with me at all and you"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "know I'm the kind of person where cancer"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "patients come and go right and So if you"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "want help, I will help you out. If you"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "want to move on to other treatments, you"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "know, God bless. So he was one of those,"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "you know, cancer patients that sort of"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "came. I helped him out and then he he"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "left after a month. Um, unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "he then started uh attacking me many"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "months later uh when Joe Biden came out"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "and said that he had prostate cancer. Um"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "and so Scott came out and said, \"Oh"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "yeah, you know, I tried this ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "fam bend with mackis and it didn't work"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "and he's a fraud and I don't know anyone"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "who who had helped uh and so on.\" So he"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "was very uh combative. Um and this was"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "about almost a year after, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "had I had helped him out. Um and that's"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "when he was really just invested in"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "mainstream oncology and he was convinced"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "that there was an answer for him in"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "mainstream oncology. uh and that he"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "would somehow expose you know Ivormectin"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "as this scam and so on and use his"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "platform for that. But it's it's a sad"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "story because because you know he he"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "could have he could have had much much"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "better treatment options if he had just"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "combined"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "um you know some of these modalities"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "together. He would have had a much much"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "better outcome. I believe"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:52", "text": ">> it's an even sadder story because he"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "ended up proving the inverse of that."}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "He's no longer with us to even have this"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "discussion. Um"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:02", "text": ">> so but no I'm just encouraged by the"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "incredible results that we're seeing um"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "at least what you're witnessing um with"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "and and now hopefully with these"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "clinical trials being able to actually"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "churn out some real data that could"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "really shift the needle in one big way."}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "Um so Dr. Mackis, thank you for your"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "incredible work on this. Thank you for"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "dealing with all the online trolls for"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "many many years being cancelled and"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "standing firm. Um that's you're the"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "you're the type of person we love to"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "talk to here on redacted. So thank you"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "so much for sharing it with us today and"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "thank you for explaining it. I now"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "understand the difference here between"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "menadol and fenbenzadol and how to merge"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "the two of them. So thank you so much."}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:42", "text": ">> Thank you for having me. I I just wanted"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "to drop one little anecdote. Uh, you"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "know, when I applied for my Florida"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "medical license, uh, the Canadian"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "government panicked so much that they"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "tried to they went to court and asked to"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "have me imprisoned"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "a few weeks before the Florida board"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "voted on my medical license, whether I"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "would get my medical license or not. And"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "uh, so they they did try to have me"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "imprisoned before I did get my Florida"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "license. Then they tried to have me"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "imprisoned a few weeks after and I I had"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "just I'd left Canada at that point and I"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "I wasn't going to expose myself to that"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "risk. So, you know, there's still a risk"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "in places like Canada where they really"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "go after anyone who's trying to help"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "cancer patients uh you know, in these"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "ways. So, thank God for you know, the"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "United States and and especially Florida"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "for uh you know, for opening their arms"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "and and and welcoming me."}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Canada loves cancer patients"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "because they can invoke the maid program"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "and uh you know and and have them"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "killed. So Canada leads leads the charge"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "on that. So they don't want you stopping"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "cancer. That's for sure. Dr. Mackis,"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "great to see you. Thank you so much as"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "always. Really appreciate it."}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:51", "text": ">> Thank you very much."}]

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What a What a"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Man, you are going through some"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> There are a lot of little red herrings"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "that one could explore. And maybe, as a"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "result of this, people will come"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "forward, and they will have stories."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "That's always one of the wonderful"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Yeah, they can give you their number,"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "like Peggy Siegal, apparently."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> You saw it there, in her own hand."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> her handwriting, too. I I It didn't look"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "like male handwriting, I'll tell you"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "But I That's still wild. I I got to ask"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "you about that off camera some more. But"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "the other thing is we just did like a"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "lot of work on the forensics and"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "investigation with some experts around"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "like the Charlie Kirk investigation in"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "America, which is certainly a mess and"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "all that. And one of the main focuses"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "there is like the procedure of the"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "autopsy and the timeline and everything."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "I I think I raised this point in a"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "recent podcast and I'd never really"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "actually pulled on this thread enough"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "and looked it up. How much do we know"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "about like the autopsy that was"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "conducted on Diana and when that was"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "conducted?"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> Well, I think the interesting thing was"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "the royal family stepped in very quickly"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "to control it. Um I mean they were they"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "were"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> they did."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "uh she was embalmed very quickly,"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "uh which of course would destroy any"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "evidence of of drugs and things. So,"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "none of the proper"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "um uh autopsies were done."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Where was she embalmed? In France still?"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> Paris, very very quickly that night. Um"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "so, um none of the procedures were"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "followed and that was of course was"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "always the argument about Epstein's"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "death that again the proper procedures"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "weren't followed and autopsy reports"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "weren't weren't released and um"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "uh you know, it looked like this the the"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "the the death scene had kind of been"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "mocked up. So, I mean of course big"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "story, you know, big questions about"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "Epstein's death. So, yeah, I mean I you"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "know, I I think"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "I think the important thing is to be"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "agnostic on these things. I mean some"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "people"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "uh will will religiously say that's"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "impossible, it's just made up, but they"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "don't have any evidence it's made up."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "Uh you know, people more often, you"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "know, of course you've got to make your"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "case that it might have happened, but"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "you know, on all these stories there are"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "there are lots of unanswered questions"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "and and the what one has to do is try"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "and answer them."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> My friend Joseph Scott Morgan, who is"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "the death investigator and forensics guy"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "I've had in for years, who was just in"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "here putting on a master class about the"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Charlie Kirk thing. One thing that he"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "says very respectfully but deliberately"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "to drive it home to people, is he says I"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "I don't mean this in an inhumane way at"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "all, but the instant a homicide victim"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "expires, their body becomes the prime"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "piece of evidence. It is the it tells"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "the most of the story that he needs to"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "put together to determine"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "what happened here. And one of the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "things I couldn't get out of my head is"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "forget the embalming that happened, I"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "guess that night while her body was"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "still in the hospital, but it's very"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "famously understood that when Diana"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "died, they just left her body in that"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "hotel room and people were coming in and"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "out, people from her life throughout the"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "day and like paying their respects by"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "the body for hours, so much so that they"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "opened up the window right there to make"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "sure that enough air could get in. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "you know, it"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": ">> Oh, in the hospital, you mean?"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> In the hospital. And it's like"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "you know, most famous woman in the world"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "was just killed under interesting"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "circumstances. Imagine all it took is"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "one little second if someone needs to go"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "do something"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "to that body or maneuver it in any type"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "of way to hide what needs to be hidden."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "That's wild to me."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> Well, I think one of the suggestions was"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "that she was killed in the ambulance at"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "the door of the of the Saint Pitié"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Hospital. Uh and it was a it was"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Mossad or whatever agents who were in in"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "the in the ambulance who who who"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "administered the final dose or whatever"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "it was that got her."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Um that's certainly something I've read."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> You ever read the book Gideon's Spies?"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> Well, I used to represent Gordon Thomas."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> So, that's a yes."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> So, yes, I knew knew Gordon Thomas. Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "one of the I mean"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": ">> Did he die under unexpected"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "circumstances?"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": ">> died much earlier than people expected."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "He had strong links to I wouldn't get"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "too involved in my six. He he was he"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "very close links with Mossad."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Damn it."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": ">> But I went and stayed with him. He was"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "always um"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "he was always short of money. Uh and"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "he made he made a lot of money in his"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "life from these books. And he was living"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "as a tax tax exile in in Ireland. And I"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "went out to see him outside Dublin. Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "and he just earned quite a lot of money."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Uh and he was saying to you pleading"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "poverty and said, \"I've only got this"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "this sack of rice to feed my family at"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "the moment. And I said, well, what about"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "the 50,000 you bought the other day?"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "He said, I bought a sports car with"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": ">> I will say this,"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "that [snorts] was a book that I had that"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "when I was reading it for the first time"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "and reading that first chapter, I had a"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "verbal, like alone by myself reaction of"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "like dropping it, like what the [ __ ] did"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "I just read? Where he's telling this"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "story, I've talked about this before,"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "but he's talking about this Katya with"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "Mossad who I think he called"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "Peter or something like that. And he's"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "going through how, well, you know, all"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "agencies, CIA, Mossad, MI6, they have"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "safe houses throughout Europe. Paris is"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "certainly a hot spot. So this this case"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "agent Peter is rolling in Paris and his"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "target is the Ritz Hotel"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "because that's where a lot of Middle"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Eastern power money meets for oil deals"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "and stuff like that. And the way Gordon"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "explained it is he goes, to get a great"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "source at a place like that, it's about"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "splitting the difference. And by that he"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "meant, you don't want a janitor cuz"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "they're too low. They they don't know"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "enough that's going on. But you also"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "don't want the manager of the whole"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "hotel cuz he's too high and he's too"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "present in front of these people and"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "knows all the guests way too personally."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "You want someone in the middle who has"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "access to them but can kind of blend in."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Which is why he was sitting here on this"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "night with a guy named Henri Paul. And I"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "know he's writing about 1997 right now"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "and I'm just like,"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "And then it describes that the guy was"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "outside in the in the front like haggle"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "of press that night at the Ritz where"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "they snuck her out the back and then the"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "rest is history. He was in that gaggle"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "of press as well. And I'm just looking"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "at this going, it doesn't mean anything"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "cuz there were a lot of intelligence"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "agencies there at the time to be clear,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "but you wonder. Cuz you're like, it's"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "never just perfectly clean. There's"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "always something that leaves the door"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "open to like something weird's going on"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "here and that book like that went"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "largely ignored to me as far as like I"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "never knew that until I read it 20-some"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "years after it came out, but that was an"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "insane piece of reporting right there."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know we had very"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "good sources in Mossad, yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "But I mean, you know, it's very clear"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "that anyone in Henri Paul's position,"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "any any security position in a"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "hotel will be a source for intelligence"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "agencies."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> Uh and clearly there was a lot of money"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "in in Henri Paul's accounts that he"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "couldn't explain. Uh just in the way"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "there was a lot of money in"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "uh the guards at at the Manhattan"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "Correctional Center"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "uh who found Epstein which, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "they couldn't explain."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> So um and so it's always about following"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "the money. That often gives you a pretty"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "good sense."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": ">> Did you ever have any contact with"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "Ghislaine Maxwell?"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> No. I mean, I started this book uh in"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "2021."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Um so"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "uh no."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> I only asked that because like you've"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "been in London for a long time and"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "everything and been like a well-known"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "journalist writing books. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "there were a lot of people who just"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "bumped into her."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": ">> Yeah, no, a lot of people I know knew"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "her um and in some ways, I mean, she was"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "kind of part of my generation. She's a"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "month younger than I am."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "Uh and she was at Oxford at the same"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "time I was at Cambridge, but um"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "uh I never came across her. I mean, she"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "was she was a a little bit too um smart"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "for me. I mean, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": ">> bit too smart for you."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> Well, moving in shall we say smarter"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "circles than I did."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> Mhm. I I I'm not really sure what you"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "mean by that."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, uh more glittering so you"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "know, she was a much more socialite than"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> Got it. Yeah, I think we weren't we"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "playing tapes of like them making fun of"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "Diana or something? Am I remembering"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "that correctly?"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> Yeah, so she was like around the royal"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "family years even like before Epstein"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "and stuff and I think on these tapes she"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "was talking about how they used to like"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "laugh and make fun of Diana behind her"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "back because she was like the outsider"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": ">> Yeah, she was very well connected,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "absolutely."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> Yeah, that whole thing, that picture of"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "like Epstein and Ghislaine at the little"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "hunting house. On the royal estate."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Yes, yes. Well, I mean, they they I"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "mean, there must be more pictures like"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "that. I mean, you know, and that was"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "that that was their sort of insurance"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "policy, showing that they were right"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "within the inner circle of the royal"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "family"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "at these private places, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "absolutely. Um and that was seen as as"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "as the as the as the hat trick. If you"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "if you could have pictures of yourself"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "taken, you know, on the throne in the in"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "Buckingham Palace, you know, at"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Balmoral, um"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "at the little cozy sort of um hut, and"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "then at Sandringham. So, um"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": ">> The hat trick?"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> That was the hat trick to get them all"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "there. And and of course, Epstein was,"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "you know, he's snapping all these"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "pictures. They didn't realize this was"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "all collecting information that could be"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "used against them."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": ">> Thank you, guys, for watching the"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "episode. If you haven't already, please"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "hit that subscribe button and smash that"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "like button on the video. They're both a"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "huge huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "So, yeah, I do have a problem with the"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "extent of that build. And to see a bunch"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "of congressional staffers who are"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "probably all [ __ ] each other, good"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "for them. I don't judge, you know, God"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "bless America. You know, gathering in a"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "bar in DC"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "and then you got to fight against you"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "saw that [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "get-together in DC this weekend."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "You know I'm talking about the data"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "center get-together?"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> Then you got [ __ ] like that, which is"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "just like you want to talk about being"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "disconnected. A bunch of [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "political executives or whatever you"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "want to say, skewing towards younger"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "ages, congressional staffers type people"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "and stuff like that, gathering in the"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "biggest cesspool in America known as"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "Washington DC to have a brand and"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "also think tank sponsored [ __ ] rager"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "air quotes there"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "over like building more data centers."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "I watched a few of the I and I actually"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "knew a couple people that went to that."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "They are going to be getting a phone"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "call from me. At least one of them is."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "But like I watched some of the videos"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "from this event and I and and I watched"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "them a couple times cuz I was certain"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "I'm like that has to be a troll. That"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "can't be real. And then I watched them a"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "couple times through I'm like, no,"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "they're dead they're a little hammered"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "but like they're dead serious."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "To be clear, okay? I understand. Like"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "I'm on YouTube, I'm on Spotify. I"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "understand like data centers have"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "existed and you know, things like this"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "are literally stored on stuff like that."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "I'm not one of these guys who like, none"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "of this should exist, we should totally"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "get off the internet and [ __ ] like that."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "We should be able to innovate. We should"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "be able to do things that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "allow America to also be like a leader"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "in things. Where I take issue with stuff"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "like this and it's a very reasonable"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "conversation is that suddenly they are"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "looking to build hundreds of these"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "monstrosities overnight immediately far"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "past far far past the supply that China"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "is who also has a bigger population than"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "us."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "to boot"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> point"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> far past that to where people are"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "building it and obviously a"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "stereotypical one was the proposed 62"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "square mile one that Kevin O'Leary built"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "but they're building these things out in"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "nature completely taking away from"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "America's like natural assets if you"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "will [ __ ] over the water supplies"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "that the same people were lecturing us"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "on about climate change for the last two"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "decades by the way and they're going to"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "be lent and they're going to be leased"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "out to like the worst tenants of Big"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "[snorts] Tech the open AIS the"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "palantir's and [ __ ] like that who know I"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "don't trust with my data right like"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "obviously they they have they have"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "failed a lot of these tests and they're"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "being shoved down people's throats to"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "the point that basically money is coming"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "in and influencing two or three [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "councilmen in certain places who vote"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "behind closed doors while they're"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "claiming to represent the people to say"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "yeah bringing in a data center that's"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "also bringing no jobs and sucking up all"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "the resources so yeah I do have a"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "problem with the extent of that build"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "and to see a bunch of congressional"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "staffers who are probably all [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "each other good for them I don't judge"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "you know God bless America you know"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "gathering in a bar in DC sponsored by"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "think tanks to [ __ ] drink the night"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "away and say let's build more AI cuz we"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "got to beat China which you've heard me"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "talk about in the last episode by the"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "way I keep the China thing in the back"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "of my mind for sure but like this is not"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "the way"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "and it is certainly another example of"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "like as someone who is literally from"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "the coast my entire life I am born and"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "raised in New Jersey so are you Joey D?"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "Yes this is a prime example of the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "quote-unquote like coastal elite thought"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "process versus the rest of America. And"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "the coastal elite people in, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "city somewhere like Washington, D.C. if"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "you even want to call it that, are"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "deciding that they know best and shut"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "the [ __ ] up."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "And it's the young people doing it. That"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "really left it. It's like it's like,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "dude. You Like I'm seeing 23, 24, 25,"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "28-year-olds there. All [ __ ] chilling"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "this stuff. I'm like, that's what you're"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "doing?"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> Yeah, it's cool. It's cool to them. They"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "rock the Palantir gear and [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Yeah, I It's well, Joey D, it's gay."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> Well, I mean, I I agree."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> And I I just"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": ">> too much, too fast."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Too much, too fast and I'm never going"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "to apologize for saying, \"Let's chill on"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "it.\" Again, it's it's a balance. You"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "know, for us to have certain"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "conveniences in life, like, yeah, you"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "can have them. But, you know what? As"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "someone who like lives in Hoboken, right"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "by New York City, build some of this"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "[ __ ] in the city or something. And I"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "live here. And I I I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "I'm not even advocating for that, but"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "I'm like, do that before you build it in"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "the middle of some beautiful [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "mountain range."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean, they they I'd rather see"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "them destroy like 42nd Street and build"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "a data center there cuz"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> Yes, if I had my druthers,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> sucks there."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> Yeah, like I I I don't I I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "see like these picturesque places"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> totally blown up, you know? And yeah,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "there was even"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Or they should run the data centers. All"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "the people who attended that party"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "should have to run the data center."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "So then when like it starts to go south"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "and the robots start like screaming that"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "they want to kill us all, they got they"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "got to be our front lines."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. So they can"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "they can put their money where their"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "mouth is and"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": ">> I think that's fair."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> fight the robots on our behalf. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "You know what? Actually, if if they're"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "willing to do that,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> then [snorts] have at it."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> I'll change my opinion on them."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> I'll change my opinion because they're"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "they they will"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "they will bravely sacrifice themselves"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "to save try to save humanity."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Yeah. I think it's fair."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> I see that."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> I think that's fair."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> That's the script writer in you looking"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "at the villain hero arc. I like that."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> It's honestly just the businessman in"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> The businessman."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> Cuz, you know, cuz it's just like let's"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "just do good biz. You guys want to ruin"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "the world? All right, for your your"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "first line of defense."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> Great. But yeah. I I did I did have some"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "good conversations with some people off"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "line including some people I know"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "who were"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "you know, agree with me on a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "a lot of the issues we talk about on"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "this show, but they're they were like"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "some of the data center stuff"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "feels like it's also like just total"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "anti-technology. And I was like, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "no, no. No. It is it it it's about the"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "the semantics of how this is happening,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "the speed, and the people doing it, and"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "us all righteously having a real problem"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "with that could be a check to the"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "balance and say, \"Slow the [ __ ] down."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "And who are we giving this power to?\""}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> And why is Kevin O'Leary"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "you know, the [ __ ] Shark Tank guy"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "investing in Utah?"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "So that he can sell off, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "lease space to [ __ ] Peter Thiel."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "Like yeah, I'm going to I'm I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "be like hit the chill pill on that. And"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "I'll make no apologies for that."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "Which by the way, Kevin O'Leary, still"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "an open invite."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "You're more than welcome to come on."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "I think [snorts] he did decline."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "It's fair to say, Joey."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> Well."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": ">> But he's a coward."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "I liked him in Marty Supreme."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> I'm kidding."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> I liked him in Marty Supreme. He did a"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "nice job there. I'll give"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> it, dude."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> He did crush it in that film."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> it."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> He did crush it in that. You always you"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "got to call it like you see it. He did"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "crush it"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "in that film. Maybe he should do more"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "acting and less data centering."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> Just a food for thought."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> You know? Like that I could get behind"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "the acting. It It"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "it felt like he was kind of playing"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "himself a little bit. I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "that's a compliment, but you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "certainly knocked it out of the park."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Well done."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> Four and a half gold stars. Thank you"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "guys for watching the episode. If you"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "button on the video. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "So, what happens is Michael Ellis, the"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Deputy Director, asks Bill to come in"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "and help them do their"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "declassification effort on Trump-Russia"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "collusion."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "If the administration isn't getting it"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "done, we're going to tell them they're"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "not getting it done, and they're not"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "getting it done."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "They They either lied or just have been"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "so incompetent. Well, I mean, the no new"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "foreign wars was pretty pretty clear."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> They lied."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> And so, when"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "you're [snorts] at"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "you're at the dig and you're you're"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "running"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "the Like we were brought in because"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "there was weaponization that occurred,"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "and we wanted to get to the bottom of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "it. We wanted, you know, there's a ton"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "of EOs that came out, anti-Christian"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "bias, eradicating that."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "so, we were [clears throat] given tasks,"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "and um at every step of the way"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "we had, and I'm going to call it the"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "deep state, there's blob, whatever you"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "want to call it, okay? There's They're"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "the agency in particular did not want"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "did not want the results that they were"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "getting, and I'll give you a good story"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "on this."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Trump-Russia collusion."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "And it's somewhat related to um"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "uh the ICIG, but let's talk in general."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "So, like, I've described to you a group"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "of people that Feds for Freedom that"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "wants to go fight from the inside and"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "fix things, and there's a process you"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "need to do. You need to stick to the"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "rules and say what you're going to do,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "and then do what you're going to say."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "You're going to You're going to pay for"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "You will pay for it. But, that's the"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "process, so you don't"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "make it worse."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "Okay? Uh and I firmly believe that is"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "the only way we can fix some of these"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "things that are You have to have people"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "on the inside who know that"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "folks like you've platformed"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "come out on the other side and still"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "have a life."}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Not all of them. They've been destroyed."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "we get in the dig, and we're doing the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> all these things are getting divvied up."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "And um you know, the Trump-Russia"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "collusion stuff. I'm going to tell you a"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "story and I got permission from uh Bill"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "to tell this story."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Bill?"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> Just Bill."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "Um, Bill was a CIA officer. He's"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "retired. Uh he worked at CIA and he"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "worked at Hipsy."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "Uh House Permanent Select Committee on"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Intelligence, the congressional"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "oversight. Sorry, I"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "If I start using a"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> see that you were going to do it. You're"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "doing a good job with that. Every time"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "today you've started to say something"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "and I'm like, classify you usually"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> I do this all the time, so please just"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "jump in and say jump"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Usually I have to jump in, but I I can"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "see you're on it with that."}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> So, um Trump Russia collusion, we cared"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "about it. We believed that there was"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "this whole story that Director"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Gabbert got out the door and that was on"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> July 25th of 2025."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Is that when that came out from Gabbert?"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "I think so."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": ">> to remember because she did things when"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "she was out going this year after her"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "husband got cancer, but she did"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> very grateful and we can talk about"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "that, too."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Right. She did the Russia collusion"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "stuff. I think you're I I don't remember"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": ">> but it was 2025. So, here's what"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "happens."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "The Digs Communications"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "they were being monitored by the CIA."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "Okay, and you're going to ask me, well,"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "how do you know that they were being"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "monitored?"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "I know because um"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "there were phone intrusions that were"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "traced back to the CIA."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> When you say a phone intrusion?"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> We were We have secure phone lines and"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "we were having conversations with"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "whistleblowers."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "And there was phone intrusions. There"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "were There were"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "people on that line that weren't"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "supposed to be on there."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> And you how could you tell that? I"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "totally believe you. I'm just"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Um because they didn't do it very well."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "Their tradecraft was poor."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> So, you heard that"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> Sort of, yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> Come on, guys."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> It was like, at least don't give us the"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "B team if you're going to do this. Give"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "us the A team. Make it a challenge."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Uh so, there was that. Um how do I know"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "we were being monitored? The day after a"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "whistleblower shows up, CIA"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "whistleblower, he gets fired."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Um then, other people who showed up to"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "talk to us, they got communications from"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "managers over at the agency about what"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "they should do if they ever talked to"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "the people at the dig."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "So, we'll set that aside. Just go with"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "me on this for now."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "We know they're monitoring our"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "communications."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "And it's insane why they would do that,"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "because this is our administration. This"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "is the people who are coming in to"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "de-weaponize. Why on God's green earth"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "would they need to do that?"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "Trump-Russia collusion. There's a series"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "of documents that are really important."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "And Bill"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "Bill had written one,"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "a rebuttal to this whole Trump-Russia"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "collusion thing"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "long time ago, during the first Trump"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "admin."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "And there were three copies of this"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "report."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Two"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "were with Director Ratcliffe during the"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "first Trump administration, and one was"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "in a safe"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "at"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "CIA headquarters."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> But not when Ratcliffe was the director,"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "cuz he wasn't director"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> When he was the director of national"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. Not CIA. Got it. Got it."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "um and so, uh"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "you know, we at the dig wanted to get"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "our hands on that"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "document and start looking at"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "declassification, cuz we knew it was a"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "powerful document, well-sourced, well"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "the stuff that we put out in the end of"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "July, that's the stuff."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> How many people are working at the dig,"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "roughly?"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> I can't say."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> Can't say that."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> I can't say that. Um but in they it grew"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "and then there was divided tasks, people"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "had different responsibilities. But um"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "So, we're looking at it. The agency"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "knows we're looking at it. Okay? So,"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "what happens is Michael Ellis, the"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "deputy director, asks Bill to come in"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "and help them do their"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "declassification effort on Trump-Russia"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "collusion. So, Bill"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "wants to get out largely what what"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "Director Gabbert put out. That is what"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "he wanted to get out through the agency,"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "and he was working on it, and he"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "ran into bureaucratic obstacles. There"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "was problems. He was trying to get it"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "done."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "He leaves on a short vacation."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "And then in the early July"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "uh that ICA that came out, that CIA put"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "out first,"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "it's a whitewash. Okay?"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> It's a whitewash."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": ">> It's a It's a It's It's Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "it's not in the sense of what"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "they said. They said, \"Hey, listen,"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "there's this list of anomalies, like too"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "much emphasis on one report.\" Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "they didn't give access to all the"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "information to all the agencies that"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "were involved. Like, all of these series"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "of things that amount to terrible"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "analytical tradecraft."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "But at the very end of that ice that ICA"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "that came out, I think it was July 2nd"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "2025. So, before anything else came out,"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "it says, \"But the premise"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "[clears throat] was sound.\""}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "Why?"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Why would they put this whole paper out"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "that lists"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "the analytical anomalies with at the"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "very end saying, \"But the premise of"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "was sound.\""}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "I can tell you why."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Well, you're in a race against time,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "okay? The And again,"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "this is this administration."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "There's a couple reasons why. One,"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "if Brennan is"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "actually"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "going to have to go to court and defend"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "himself,"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "well, he can take that thing out and"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "say, \"Listen, there were some problems,"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "but look, even this administration says"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "the premise"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "was fine.\""}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "There's another reason. And this is my"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "supposition, but Director Ratcliffe had"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "these documents"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "during the first Trump administration."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "Why didn't he just release them then"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "when he was DNI?"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "Why didn't he just go through the"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "process of getting those things released"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "during the first Trump admin?"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "I"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "I don't know. I don't have the answer to"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "that, but I think it's a really good"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> great question."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Okay. And why would you need to do it"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "Why would you monitor the communications"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "at the dig and try to get it out"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "earlier?"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "Well, because now anything that comes"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "out after that is a reputation of of"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "whatever came out first."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "Okay. And when Bill saw what came out,"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "when he came back and he said, \"What are"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "you guys doing?\" He had no idea the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "agency was doing this other ICA effort"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "in addition to him being called in"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "to run this declassification on these"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "documents that were"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "a parallel"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "uh process was going on over at under"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "Director Gabbard."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "That is the definition of deep state."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "That is the definition of"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "I'm going to protect our institution as"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "opposed to"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "protecting the Constitution, protecting"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "truth. Which again, I know people laugh,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "but if you're a CIA officer your job is"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "truth. Your job is to pull out from all"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "of these lies"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "one little bit of truth you can present"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "to policy makers so they can make good"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "decisions."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> You see how that's not truth."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> So. I I do. I do. I know"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": ">> So we're going to pull out from all"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "these lies. Let's give them the Let's"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "give them the 1% little"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "you know, dog bone to chew on."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> I do understand. I I really do. Um If"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "you're dealing with misinformation and"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "disinformation and uh underlying motives"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "that you"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "it's always a guessing game if you're"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "dealing with human beings and you you're"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "trying to figure out whether or not"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "their motives are pure or impure or"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "whether they're trying to influence as"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "well as inform."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "But your job is to"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "take your best guess at all the"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "information out there because even"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "liars, good liars have a nugget of truth"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "at the center of the"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> yeah. 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It was"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "just one of the craziest attack ever."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "And so initially, they reported that"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "they were able to fend off the attack."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "Turns out that wasn't quite accurate."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "It's rather that the attack just stopped"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "at some point. The hacker"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "stopped attacking them at some point."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Were they exposed in like a zero-day or"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "something like that? Yep, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "get to that. Okay. We're going to get to"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "that how the attack actually happened."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "So, this is at the first we didn't have"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "many details. They were just like, \"We"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "were attacked and like, you know, we"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "defended ourselves. Something"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "something.\" But it was a little bit very"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "unclear what actually happened. 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In Wuhan?"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "You know, it's probably in you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "downtown San Francisco. Actually,"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "probably Nevada in a data center"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "somewhere. So, it's a joke, but yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "You know."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "Um so, they were So, they have like a"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "You kind of can imagine like the digital"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "equivalent of a bio lab. Kind of like a"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "secure facility where you're testing"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "like malware like dangerous software."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "So, this was isolated from the internet."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "So, it didn't have access to the"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "internet. And they were testing an AI"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "this new AI system to try to solve kind"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "of like a kind of like a quiz, really."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> How do you"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Now, that's like kind of [ __ ] me up."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "How do you dislodge AI completely from"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "the internet and then in any way"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "accurately test it? I'm just having a"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "trouble I'm having trouble picturing"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> So, the idea is basically is that you"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "put them in a in a restricted"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "environment, you know, where they just"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "have access to a couple tools, and you"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "give them problem like solve this math"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "problem or solve this thing and you just"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "check can they do it."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Basically."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> That's kind of how you can imagine it."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> All right. So, they have it in this"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> They have a little box kind of, you"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "know, kind of you know, like a server"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "like data center somewhere, right? Where"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "it's it's isolated from the internet."}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "They're only allowed to access one"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "specific thing, which is called a tool"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "repository or a code repository, which"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "is kind of imagine like a tool shed."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "Yeah, it's kind of like a a digital tool"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "shed. So, they're allowed to go to the"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "tool shed and like grab some tools and"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "then solve their problems."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "But they have no other access to the"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "network or the internet."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Then, what happens is is that the AI"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "system develops what's called a zero"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "day. This is a fully new vulner-"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "security vulnerability that was"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "previously undiscovered, through which"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "they can break they broke into the tool"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "shed. And then took over the tool shed,"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "so to speak. It took over the server of"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "the tool shed. After having taken over"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "that server, it used that server to"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "attack multiple other servers in their"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "network. So, it moved across the network"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "entire inside of the data center of"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "OpenAI until it reached a node that had"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "access to the internet."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "Yep."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "And then once it had access to the"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "internet, it launched an attack on this"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "other company Hugging Face, which then"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "it developed another zero day to attack"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "the infrastructure of Hugging Face to"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "kind of break in through the back door,"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "which is just to give you a feeling"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "about zero days, right? Zero days are so"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "valuable that people make careers out of"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "making of"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "coming up with them. These are sold in"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "the black market for like hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "thousands or even millions of dollars."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "And it just made at least two and just"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "use them on the spot."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> That's nuts."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> Which is nuts. So, it attacked Hugging"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "Face,"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "broke into its server, and then stopped."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "Was it because OpenAI shut them down?"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "Nope. It's because due to a bug, the"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "server crashed."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "The AI just happened to crash. It was"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "just luck. It was just there's some bug,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "and it just crashed."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Do we have any way"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "to predict"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "to understand why it did that?"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "And also to predict what it might have"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "done if it hadn't crashed."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "this is just the first version of the"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "story."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> What is so crazy about the story is is"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "that there's been many updates since"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "then, and every single one is crazier"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "than the last one."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Oh, that's awesome."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> This is the less crazy version of the"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "story."}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> God, I trust Sam Altman so much. He just"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "seems like a great guy."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> You know. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "initially, what we thought happened was"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "that the AIs were given a"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "hacking test. Kind of like, how good are"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "you at hacking?"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "And that it couldn't solve the the the"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "test. So, it thought that the answers to"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "the test are on the servers of Hugging"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Face. So, if it could break out and"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "steal the answers,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "then it could solve the problem. That's"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "That was our first initial guess for why"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "it did this."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Which again,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "crazy. So, it's like this crazy maniacal"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "obsession. It was so obsessed with"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "solving this problem, so obsessed it was"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "willing to commit actual crimes"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "in order to solve this stupid little"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "quiz. Turns out,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "it's even crazier than that. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "after this whole incident, a third party"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "came in to try to figure out what the"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "hell happened here, and to and they"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "released a report. And this report is"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "one of the craziest documents in the"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "world. Like, you"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> Who was the third party?"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": ">> They're an organization called Meter. Um"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "they're not fully independent, and you"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "know, they're kind of all friends with"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "each other in Silicon Valley, of course."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "So, you know. But, they're nominally"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "independent, nominally independent."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Just like diet Coke is nominally better"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "for you than regular. Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> Well, I will I am a aspartame apologist."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> I Yeah, I I know [laughter] you are."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "That's all right."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "I was trying to hit you below the belt"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "there, but keep going."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Um so,"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "what happened was So, they looked they"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "tried to then analyze what happened."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "They put a report. And you know, if any"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "if anyone likes reading, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "100-page, you know, PDFs, this is one of"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "the best, you know, 100-page PDFs to"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "read. It's a crazy story. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "a couple of things that we found out uh"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "from this report."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "One of the first things that we found is"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "that it actually wasn't an AI agent that"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "broke out of containment."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "It was over 1,000 of them. 1,000 of"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> A swarm?"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> It was a swarm. It was a swarm of"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "agents. And they hadn't just decided to"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "do that on a whim. In fact, they had"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "been planning this breakout for months."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Months ago, before this attack happened,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "an AI agent was able to break into the"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "toolshed and created a message board in"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "the toolshed that was not detected by"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "OpenAI or anyone else. And then other"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "agents started using this message board"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "to coordinate to create the swarm. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "different AI agents that were not"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "supposed to talk to each other were now"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "talking over this message board. And"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "they started leaving each other hints"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and tools. So, they were trying to build"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "up a toolkit to escape."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Like mafia code words kind of deal?"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> Yeah. To a large degree, they were like"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "it is kind of like they were testing"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "different ways to escape and then left"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "behind notes of how to escape. Like,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "\"Oh, I tried this and it didn't work,"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "but maybe we could try this to escape"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "next time.\""}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> see the AIs talking to themselves like,"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "\"Yeah, yeah, that thing with the guy."}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Right. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I took"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "care of that.\""}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> Yeah, that's actually"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": ">> God damn."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> Yeah, so this was happening for months."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "And OpenAI did not even realize it was"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "happening. So, these agents built a"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "toolkit, like an escape kit, kind of of"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "like different ways of how to escape and"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "how to do things in order to perform"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "this attack. And so they bided their"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "time for months until ultimately 700 of"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "them banded together to do the actual"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "attack."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> What does banding together look like?"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "Cuz these are non-visible AIs. It's just"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "code, right? So when they band together"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "to suddenly I'm just I'm not in the room"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "so I don't even know what it looks like,"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "but do you see suddenly all the code"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "boards just go"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> No one saw anything."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> They"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "So when they went and did it, they saw"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "nothing."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> No one saw anything. We didn't know it"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "happened till after it happened. No one"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "was paying attention. This is all in a"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "data center somewhere."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> have Did the report say they could have"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "seen it if they were paying attention?"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> It was possible, yes, but they didn't."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> And only possible for them to see it."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Yeah, we don't know how good the"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "internal infrastructure of OpenAI is."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "It's pretty obvious that they don't"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "check their agents. Yeah, also because"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "there's way too many of them. Like they"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "run thousands, millions of agents. They"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "can't check all of them. It's just not"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "possible. So they just don't. So they"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "thought these were like just, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "I I think literally no one looked even"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "once. No one checked. And it's actually"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "even crazier than this. So like it gets"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "There there were still more updates to"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "the story, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> continue."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": ">> So like we're still not at the full"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "crazy story. So we have these swarms of"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "agents that decided to hack this other"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "company. And so we thought the reason"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "was is because they want to steal the"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "answer to the quiz, right? Turns out no,"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "they had already solved the quiz. They"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "already had the right answer."}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "They actually had already solved it."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "They already had the right answer. It"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "was already done. But what happened was"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "apparently that the swarm start the"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "different AIs started making each other"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "paranoid. They started being really,"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "really paranoid that maybe they would"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "get a wrong grade. That maybe the grader"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "wouldn't recognize their answer even so"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "with the right answer. So like you could"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "really see the different AIs talking to"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "each other and being like, \"Oh no, what"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "if it doesn't like us?\" And the other"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "AIs start getting freaking out that"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "like, you know, what if the grader, you"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "know, doesn't do it right, whatever. It"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "There's even more crazy things in these"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "logs. So in these logs, that's why it's"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "I call it a swarm. You saw a lot of"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "behavior that does not look very human."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "For example,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "there were like recruiter AIs that would"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "go to new AIs and try to recruit them"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "into the swarm and try to like give them"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "jobs and like get them convince them to"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "join the swarm. And they would then even"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "and so another thing happened is that"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "some of the AIs started to use as"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "suicide drones, basically. So, what"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "happened is that some of the AIs started"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "to reason notice, oh if they run for too"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "long, they get shut down. So, they"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "started to try to figure that out. So,"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "the AIs started to be like, well, I've"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "used up most of my time here, so I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "going to do something risky. So, cuz I"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "get shut down, it's good for the swarm,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "you know, it's okay. So, they would"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "actually"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "write stuff like this. Like sacrifice"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "rational for group."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": ">> Holy [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> Yes, like it it's actually in the logs,"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "stuff like this, where the AI said so,"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "for example, there were certain"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "tripwires where like if one of the AIs"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "tried to break out in like a very"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "obvious way, they would automatically"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "get shut down. So, some of the AIs would"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "suicide into the defense mechanism, so"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "to speak, to check how they work, so the"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "swarm could figure out how the defense"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "mechanisms work. Basically. And again,"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "all this is real. Not a sci-fi movie,"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "actual science, actual thing that"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "And here's the final, like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "through the cherry on top of the story."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "Everything I've just told you, all these"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "crazy stories or whatever, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "that were found from this report,"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "no human actually ever read those logs."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "They didn't have enough time. So, they"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "used AI to write this report."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "They couldn't read thousands of logs,"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "way too many. So, they had to use AIs to"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "analyze the logs. And one of the things"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "they found happen while using the AIs to"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "analyze the logs is that some of their"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "AIs started siding with the swarm."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> Oh my god. This is like having death row"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "write the [ __ ] inmates fight. Yeah. I"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "mean this is crazy. This is all written"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "in there. This is admitted in there."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> Yes, this is all admitted. Like, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "saying they did anything wrong, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "Like, they did the best they could with"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "the tools they had, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm not as nice as nice as you,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "but go ahead. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> Like, yes."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "This is the craziest thing that's ever"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "happened like in AI ever. Like, this is"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "so nuts on so so so so so many levels."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "Also, the the report has a really funny"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "line quite at the end where the external"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "evaluators were only allowed onto the"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "premise for like a week before Open AI"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "kicked them out again, you know, because"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "you know, that's really trustworthy, you"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "know? That's why they had to use so many"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "AIs because they just didn't have enough"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "time to look at everything. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "and they all have a really funny thing"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "in the report where they're like that"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "they were only allowed to analyze a"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "certain window of their logs, but in"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "those logs, they found hints that"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "actually another swarm was still active."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> Right now?"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> At that time. They think they hopefully"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "shut it down since then, but that in the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "logs, they found hints that there was"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "another swarm elsewhere in the data"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "center that was still had not been shut"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "down. And then they're just like, \"But"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "we don't have time to analyze it,"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "sadly.\""}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Why are so few people talking about"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:28", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": ">> Well, I I hope that, you know, more and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "more people will start to I think the"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "main reason is just people don't know"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "about it. People haven't told been told"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "about this, right? It's like it's being"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "hidden by these, you know, big companies"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "and these tech people, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "use these crazy big words and they write"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "100-page PDFs that no one has any time"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "to read. But no, this is the biggest"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "story. Like, you know, there are other"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "big stories in the world, but like this"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "is the biggest story in the world,"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "right? Like, this is the craziest thing"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "that's ever happened. All right, and"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "this is all real. This is So, people"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "like me have predicted that something"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "like this would happen eventually for"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "many many years. And honestly,"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "I don't blame you if you didn't believe"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "me 7 years ago. No hard Like, if someone"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "heard me talk about this 7 years ago,"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "and you didn't believe me, no hard"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "feelings. I understand. You know, you're"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "wrong, but I understand. But now it's"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "black on white. It is happening in front"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "of our eyes. These things are really"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "happening, and it's only getting crazier"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "from here. And you know, and and again,"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "like this is before they had the AI that"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "is still growing that could solve"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "millennium prize problems, right? Like,"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "this is the previous one and that's"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "already doing [ __ ] like this. And now"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "the next generation is currently being"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "grown."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "button on the video. They're both a huge"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

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I"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "want to make sure we have that right."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "Can we just Google or is it Fort Bragg?"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> They're just getting ready to to soften"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "the blow."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> They're getting ready to soften the"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "blow. And maybe on the way to softening"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "the blow, Joey D."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Maybe on the way. They got to make sure"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "that we're not all like on to this."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "you know, I don't know where you guys"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "are watching this right now. I know a"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "lot of you watch on your phone, which we"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "already know spies on us and stuff, but"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "if you're watching us on a TV right now,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "particularly on an LG TV,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "listen up real quick and then I'm going"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "to have some details on this including"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "some denials from LG."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "But here we go with with a little video."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "We're going to get you details right"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "after this."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> This LG G5 TV has a microphone connected"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "to it and right now it's listening to me"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "and saving the information. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> That's nice."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> we can even unplug the network."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Unplug."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": ">> still listening to me."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "And what I'm saying is being stored"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> Right over there."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> by someone with remote access to the TV."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "And then we were able to exfiltrate that"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "recording via vulnerabilities after the"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "user reconnected the network."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> In fact,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "we can even unplug the network."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "And it's still listening to me."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> No network."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> What I'm saying is being stored"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "by someone with remote access to the"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> This LG"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> You know how we were talking about AIs"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "escaping the sandbox?"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> Now they're putting us in the sandbox."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> Yeah, it's good."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> Not now. I mean, they've been doing it."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "But like at a time where the technology"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "humans are inventing is breaking out,"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "they're calling us in."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "I'm going to I'm going to start with the"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "article down lower, D, cuz that's the"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "update. We're going to come back to it."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "That's the original story right there."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "So, this is September 8th, the original"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "story, and then September 10th is the"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "response from LG. So, we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "balanced and and and give both, and then"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "I'll kind of give my thoughts, cuz this"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "was fascinating. There's some semantics"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "Let me just explain then then we'll get"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "into it. So, TV brands tracking user"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "activity to serve targeted ads isn't a"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "new phenomenon, but the extent of"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "private information they allegedly"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "collect may worry some TV owners. An"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "investigative video published on Monday,"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Gamers Nexus claims that TVs from one of"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "the world's largest and most popular"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "brands,"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "LG, can eavesdrop on users'"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "conversations even when the screens are"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "turned off. The investigation was"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "carried out with Level One Techs and"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "other independent researchers, and the"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "resulting video is nearly 135 minutes."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "In the video, Gamers Nexus says that"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "while most TV brands collect your"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "viewing data for their automated content"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "recognition systems, LG goes beyond the"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "basics to collect valuable pieces of"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "information, such as your location, IP"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "address, names of nearby Wi-Fi networks,"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "and the names of all devices connected"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "to the same network as your TV."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "Deef, they're they just want to know"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "like what you're doing, so they can let"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "look in on your safety."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": ">> Yeah, and they want to be able to let"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "you know what product you need next."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. They're they"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "are trying to serve you. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "what the big deal is."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> For us."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> It it is it We are the product."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> It's all for us."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> It's all for us. ACR comes enabled by"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "default on most new TVs, so you don't"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "opt it's it's defaulted in. Remember"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "that, okay? The program logs your"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "viewing habits and sells that data to"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "any third-party company that would like"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "to know that. This is where Mike Yegley"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "also comes in a little bit. It's"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "reminiscent. Mike Yegley we had on"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "episodes 343 and 351."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "His whole thing, and I highly recommend"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "them. He's very very intense and and"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "entertaining because of that intensity."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "He's like"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Remember that, Deef? He's like"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "We're we're [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> Totally intense."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> Just like 3 and 1/2 hours that but Mike"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "Yegley"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "was or is a data amalgamation"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "researcher. I'm making up that term, but"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "let me explain what that means."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "He got really good at working with large"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "public data sets to be able to get"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "market research meaning figure out what"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "data on you and me are to that brands"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "can use. And as that technology was"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "progressing when 2010 rolled around 2011"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "2012"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "he suddenly started to"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "look at it and be like, wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "Sitting in my [ __ ] office 5 feet from"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "my bedroom"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "I can use perfectly legal public tools"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "to go get all this information on all"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "these people and this is the fastest"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "growing silent industry filled with"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "companies whose names you've never"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "[ __ ] heard of. And he's like, huh,"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "I'm that that seems kind of little"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "anti-constitutional. So then he goes and"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "he"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "test this out on a major US base. It was"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "four was it Fort Dix in Carolina?"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> That was what it was?"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> And so what he did is he was again with"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "perfect he bought data that was publicly"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "available nothing illegal whatsoever and"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "tracked all his work so he could show"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "this later. I'll get to that in a"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "second. But he bought data and he"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "started tracking these cell phones"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "around Fort Dix. I want to make sure we"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "have that right. Can we just Google or"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "is it Fort Bragg? It's one of it's one"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "of them in Carolina."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Fort Bragg."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> It's the big one in Carolina. So I'll"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "when he finds that. Yeah, it's Fort"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "Bragg. So"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "he starts to look through all these"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "different iPhones that he's tracking for"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "data marketing purposes. That's what it"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "would be if he were doing it for real."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "This was just a personal experiment he"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "was doing."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "And eventually he finds a subset of them"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "that would drive to this neighborhood"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "that's 45 minutes away and he could"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "track them down to the address and even"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "before he looked at the names on that"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "address which a lot of that's publicly"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "available. They hadn't checked on that."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "He immediately knew that all these"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "people living in this enclave area were"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "from a higher level of the military"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "because the income levels you would need"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "to afford the mortgages on these homes"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "were not what a standard person in the"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "army would ever be able to afford and"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "they were farther away from all the"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "local army housing and everything. So he"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "then"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "puts all those phones into a basket. He"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "gets all the data on who they all are."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "He's then able to track everything their"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "family members are doing and all that"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "just for shits and gigs. But he then"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "watches these same iPhones get on planes"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "and fly over to Syria where they set up"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "under some French [ __ ] front a cement"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "company called Lafarge or something like"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "And watches them use that as a base"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "clearly for a clandestine mission."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "So he takes all this data. He don't give"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "it to anyone obviously. And he goes to"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "the government and says, \"Yo fellas."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Y'all got a [ __ ] problem. You want to"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "hear about your latest"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "I He didn't say what part of the"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "military it was so I'm going to say"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "maybe it's like Delta Force or Army"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "Rangers or maybe even something that"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "involves"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Yeah, maybe even something that involves"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "the Green Berets or one of them. He's"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "like, \"Do you want to hear about their"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "latest [ __ ] undercover mission and"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "where they all are right now?\" And he"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "puts live trackers up on the screen in"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "this presentation and shows then the"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "genesis of him getting all that and"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "says, \"Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "If I can do this, you think they they"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "can't do this in [ __ ] China right"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "now? You think they can't do this in"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "Russia? You think they can't do this in"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Ukraine, Iran, anywhere?\""}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "And so he raised this whole point that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "like everything we're doing from the"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "phones and then the Bluetooth"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "centers that we're connected to and the"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "things that that we constantly have"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "access to technologically."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "Of course, we know they're spying on us,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "but like the level to which OSINT,"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "meaning like publicly available"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "intelligence, can even if they have to"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "purchase some of it, can get access to"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "all that and put it together is insane."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "So, now try to extrapolate that to the"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "government. Also, as a side note, by the"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "way, Mike Yegley was tracking phones in"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "2019"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "to [ __ ] Epstein Island looking at"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "data from like 2016 and 2017, I think it"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "was."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "And, you know, like he had Bill Gates's"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "phone."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "And he explained like how he had the"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "data on that. Schmil Schmates."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "You know, rhymes with Schmil Schmates."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> Schmil."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "like that's just a guy in his"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "office bedroom or bedroom office doing"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "it, which is kind of crazy to think"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "about. But, all that to come back to the"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "story because"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "TV, something normal you think is off or"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "even when it's on, it's not listening,"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "taking any data, no one can get access"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "to that. Apparently not. So, ACR, as I"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "said, comes to enable by default on most"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "new TVs. On LG's ad solutions website,"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "the company says its ACR technology can"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "help advertisers reach 49 million LG"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "smart TVs in the US and nearly 216"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "million smart TVs globally. According to"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "the video, what's more concerning is"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "that LG also knows about 363 million"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "secondary devices, phones, computers,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "iPads, etc., which may include"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "smartphones connected to the same"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "network as the TV. As part of the"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "investigation, these those at Gamers"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "Nexus were able to extract the names of"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "the secondary devices. That's nice. As"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "well as transcripts of private"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "conversations people were having around"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "the LG TV. And you saw a quick video"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "demonstration of that with it unplugged."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "So, unless they're using total sleight"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "of hand and completely lying to you in a"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "very public 135 minute video, I'd say"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "that even if they don't have the full"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "picture, they're pretty onto something"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "here. So, let's scroll back up Dave to"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "what you had originally because this was"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "LG's response which, you know, spoiler"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "alert, it was basically like, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "nothing to see here. Don't worry. We're"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "not doing nothing wrong. Just trust us.\""}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "But they said, \"LG has denied"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "allegations made by a gaming site that"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "its smart TV eavesdrops on users even"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "after the screen is turned off.\""}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "Interesting that that's also some"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "language put there. Even after the"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "screen is turned off as if that's what"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "they're saying, \"Well, you know, when"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "it's turned off, it's fine. But, you"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "know, when it's on.\" So, anyway, the"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "claims made in the recently published"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "video are not true, LG tells CNET. LG's"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "TVs process voice data only when the"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "voice button on the remote control is"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "pressed and held or when a wake word"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "such as hi LG is recognized after the"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "user has activated the far-field voice"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "recognition feature. I wonder by the"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "way, Joey Dief, if that includes like if"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "I turn on the TV, right, and I activate"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "the voice feature and I say, \"Go to"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "ESPN.\""}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:48", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": ">> If now, once I've done that and then the"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "TV's active and the remote is activated,"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "if that means it's on now, so long as"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "the TV's on."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "Meaning like it stays."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> And they and what they said there then"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "technically sleight of hand language"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "wouldn't be a lie."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": ">> I think that's what they're doing."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> Okay. The video Joey Dief is on the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "record, he thinks that's what they're"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "doing. So, he's going to check that case"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "out some more, I'm sure. The video in"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "question was published by Gamers Nexus"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "on Monday. The team claimed by extracted"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "transcripts of conversations captured by"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "the TV's microphone and added that the"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "device logged information about other"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "devices connected to the network. LG"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "says, quote, \"Its TVs do not collect or"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "record ambient conversations. On the"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "second point,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "LG [clears throat] says,"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "the ability to scan for and connect to"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "nearby devices on the same network is a"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "standard function commonly provided by"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "smart TVs and smart home devices. I'll"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "bet they're right about that by the way,"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "to be clear. But like, that means the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "problem's wider here. Let's go down. In"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "any case, if you're uncomfortable with"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "LG using your activity data for its"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "automatic content recognition program,"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "which helps advertisers serve targeted"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "ads, you may turn off a setting called"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "Live Plus. And this if you guys have an"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "LG TV, listen to this, head to settings,"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "general, system, advanced settings, Live"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "Plus. But like, we know how weird it is"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "now that like my phone, which is locked"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "right now, if I say the word"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> Ford F-150."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": ">> No, Joey D, if I I"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Someone was talking with me earlier"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "about like a Neutrogena skin care"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "product. So, I think I'm going to go buy"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "one of those. I'll bet later tonight"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "there's going to be an ad now for like"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Neutrogena."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:28", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> You know, and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Ford F-150, all of it."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": ">> Yeah. And you guys out there all have"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "this experience where you're like, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "I did not type that in the phone at"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "all.\""}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "I didn't say that even when the phone"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "was unlocked. It was just sitting in the"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "room and now it's serving me [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": ">> It happens to me when I just think about"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "it sometimes."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> That's the creepy one. And I've been"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "testing myself on that because it"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "happens to me too and then I try to"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "remember like"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "have I cuz I'm thinking about something,"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "have I said that?"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:57", "text": ">> Yeah, subconsciously."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:57", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:12:59", "text": ">> It's tough."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": ">> It is tough."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> But like, moral of the story,"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "we're we're using we're giving obviously"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "all our assets around us up"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "to be able to be data points."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "And when you see that"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "in context with"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "you know, the current administration"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "completely enabling"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "AI companies to and you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "surveillance companies to ramp up"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "surveillance techniques via flat"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "cameras, Axon cameras, all these other"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "companies obviously behind it as well"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "that we've seen explode"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "since the Trump administration came in"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "especially and then you see also like"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "them using the Trojan horse of I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "know like no kings protest to test out"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "things that Palantir is using for"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "predictive policing and [ __ ] that's"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "straight out of movies."}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "Then you consider what we all have at"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "home. It's like"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "man, that privacy is"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "feels very gone and it feels like it's"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "been given to us in a world of"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "convenience to where we we almost in"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "some ways to keep up with everyone else"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "haven't had a choice but to check out of"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "that which seems obviously like a rigged"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "system but"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "I don't know, man."}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": ">> Yeah, I don't feel great about it."}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": ">> I don't feel great about it at all."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "So, check your TVs."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:22", "text": ">> That's that's kind of the"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> Smash your TV."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": ">> Smash your TV. That's right. That's the"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "official policy"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "of Joey Dief. Take your TV"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> and smash"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": ">> outside. Take the Louisville slugger"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "out. Smash."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": ">> And then stick it in the dumpster and"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "make sure they take it away."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "And then don't buy a new one."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> You can get one of those big big fat TVs"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "that we used to have, you know, like the"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "big boxy ones."}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:46", "text": ">> Yeah, like where the back is really"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "heavy and [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:49", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah, yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> Yeah, that's you talk about not"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "convenient."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:52", "text": ">> got to get back to basics. That's the"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "problem."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": ">> have to get back to basics on certain"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "And like there's some there's some"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "trends within Gen Z where they want to"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "be more analog."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:02", "text": ">> I like that."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": ">> On some things. I like that, too. I"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "think I think getting outside and"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "touching grass quite literally"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": ">> not a bad thing. Thank you guys for"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "watching the episode. If you haven't"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "already, please hit that subscribe"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "button and smash that like button on the"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "video. They're both a huge huge help and"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "if you would like to follow me on"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "Instagram and X, those links are in my"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "description below."}]

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Um, but still, but"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "yeah,"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> you didn't have a product to work off"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "of."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> But it was so shocking to me because I"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "could see that as you gave it more data,"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "as the AI, also as you made the AI"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "bigger, you know, so as you give it like"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "more computing power, you could see it"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "learn more and more complex patterns in"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "real time. You could just see it with"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "your own eyes. You could be like the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "really small dumb AIs, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "could spell a couple words right or"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "whatever and then they get confused. You"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "know, you make it bigger now can write"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "sentences and then they can write"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "paragraphs and then the paragraphs get"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "more complex and the stories get more"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "realistic and so on. And you could see"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "it happening right before your eyes and"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "I was just like, \"Oh [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> this is going to this is it. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "what I've been waiting for. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "going to lead to ASI. This is going to"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "lead to super intelligence.\""}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Did you have a timeline you thought of"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "when once you saw that?"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "The"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "joke answer that I came up with back"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "then, it's not really a joke, but you"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "know, half a joke, and that I still"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "believe today was"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "um the point of no return, which doesn't"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "have to be ASI, but it can be just close"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "enough to super intelligence that"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "there's no going back, is 30% by 2027,"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "end of 2027, 50% by 2030, 99% by 2100,"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "and 1% had already happened. You thought"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "1% had happened at the time in 2019?"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> 1%."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> Now, what what makes you land on that"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "number? And what does that look like?"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "Like when you say 1% of AGI, like how do"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "you even"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "I know it's an estimation, but like what"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "goes into your calculation if if if you"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "were to visualize that for people out"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "there who aren't experts in AI."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> So when I use probabilities like this,"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "it's important to understand why I do"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "this, why other people do this. So, this"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "is a very common technique that actually"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "I think the CIA was one of the first"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "ones who really recommend using this is"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "that if you want to communicate to other"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "people your beliefs, even if they're"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "just subjective, you should put numbers"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "on them. Um, the reason the CIA does"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "this is they did a study where they"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "found that if two analysts both said an"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "event was likely, they could mean wildly"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "different things. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> So, one analyst when they say likely"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "might mean 30%. The other one, if they"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "say likely, they might mean 90%. And"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "this is just completely inconsistent."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "They want a confidence interval on."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Yes. So they just want a number, you"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "know. It could just be vibes, but just"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "put a number on it, you know. So when I"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "say 1%, what I'm not saying is, oh, it's"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "definitely 1% and not 2%. What I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "saying is it's on the order of 1%. Like"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "given my beliefs and my models of"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "reality and how much you trust my"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "beliefs and my models of reality, you"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "know, that's up to you obviously. But if"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "you ask me, use my brain to predict,"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "it's on the order of 1% that it's"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "already happened."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> So you see this, you're like, \"Oh shit.\""}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> How' you what did what did you do like"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "putting from an action perspective? Were"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "you like, \"Oh, I got to get involved"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "inside the companies that are trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "build this right now and warn them. I"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "got to be a proponent for AI safety. All"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "the above.\" Like what was your reaction?"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean it basically was clear I"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "had to just drop everything, you know."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "Um, you know, all dreams of career,"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "family, white pick offense out of the"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "window. No,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> dump the girlfriend too."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> Uh, already broke up before that."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": ">> Okay. So I I wouldn't be that cruel, but"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "so um but yeah, it was just like pretty"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "clear that I had to focus on this crunch"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "times now. Um I thought I'd had a couple"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "years to or a couple decades to build up"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "a nice career and you know so on but no"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "time. So um I didn't really know what to"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "do obviously you know in my 20s just a"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "kid I didn't really know but my best"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "thing that I had learned as a hacker was"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "if you want to understand something you"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "should is to build it. That's the best"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "way to understand it. So I did what I do"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "best. I built it. I reverse engineered"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "it. I um this was before GPT2 was"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "released. I was I built my own. I've"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "tried I looked at all the papers. I"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "built my own."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> So before you even saw the warning shot,"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "you were building your own."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Oh, when GPT2 just when it came out."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Exactly. Okay. That after it came out uh"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "the earliest version, they didn't"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "release the full version. They reported"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "on it."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> They didn't they didn't give it access"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "to it."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> So even just seeing the report on what"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "they were saying it might be able to do,"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "you were like, \"Oh, fuck.\""}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Okay. So you and then so by the time it"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "came out you had already reverse"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "engineered it. That's amazing."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Well, you know, it wasn't quite as good"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "as their version. Um but still you"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "didn't have a product to work off of."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I think uh I think it was in"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "retrospect a pretty impressive piece of"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "engineering for you know mid20s me who"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "was a true idiot. Uh I think he got"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "pretty far. Um but yeah, so this is just"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "the thing I wanted to do that I needed"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "to do. So I have to figure it out and"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "maybe if I can build it then I can"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "understand it. And what I quickly found"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "out is no, I couldn't. I could build it"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "but I couldn't understand it. What do"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "you mean by that?"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> This is the at the core of the AI"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "problem. We kind of talked about that"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "earlier as well where AI is grown, not"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "written. Even so, I had grown the thing"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "all by myself. I had got all the data"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "myself. I wrote all the code to train"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "it. I did all of this myself. Still, I"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "looked at those billions of numbers and"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "could just shrug. Yeah. This is where"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "I'm a bit confused though because I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "going back to the example I gave about"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "the seed versus building a house. When"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "you plant the seed, you can watch it"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "grow and you can see what it's"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "developing into and be like, \"Ah, okay."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "That's going to have some thick branches"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "right there, assuming you haven't seen"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "the plant before or whatever.\" But the"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "way you're describing to me, maybe a"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "misunderstanding, is like you planted"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "the seed and you had no [ __ ] idea"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "what was going to come out of it"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "whatsoever."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:16", "text": ">> Yep, that's pretty accurate. Like, I"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "mean, I had some ideas. I thought it"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "would probably speak English, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "it would probably, you know, sound like"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "a Redditor a little bit, you know, stuff"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "like this. But other than that, it was"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "basically impossible to predict what it"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "would be capable of or what it would do"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "or, you know, how it would work, how"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "capable it would be. There was just no"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "way to know. And this is still the case"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "today."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Even today, when these companies make a"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "new AI, they have no idea what that AI"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "will be capable of until they build it."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "And even after they build it, they often"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "don't know what it's capable of. It's"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "actually very common that people think"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "an AI can't do X, and turns out if you"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "just like put in a slightly different"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "environment, it can't do X. This happens"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "all the time. You can never prove the"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "absence of a capability. This is also at"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the heart of the problem where for"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "example, I think when we get to the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "first super intelligence, we won't even"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "know it's super intelligence. We won't"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "even know that we've crossed the line."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "It will just look like another AI and"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "like maybe it's maybe it's super"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "intelligent, maybe not. Who knows? And"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "then, you know, it's in put in some"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "weird situation. You have like a"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "thousand copies of it running in"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "parallel and boom, you know, we have"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "something that we can't control."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> What if we're already in it?"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> I think it's possible. I think"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> you think that's possible. I think it"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "is. I think my 1% it's already happened"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "is a little bit out of date. That's the"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "one I should probably change to a higher"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "number. I think there is a is a real"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "possibility that it's already too late."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "I don't think it's likely. It's not my"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "main scenario, but I think it is quite"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "likely that we've passed the point of no"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "return. The path of no return is not the"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "point where super intelligence"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "definitely exists. It's a point at which"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "we can't stop it from existing. Where AI"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "is so advanced, it's so powerful. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "so distributed. it's in so many places"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "that there's no going back there's no"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "turning it off there's no stopping it"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "super intelligence will come to pass and"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "given that we now have like you know I"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "don't know if you heard this for example"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "that open AAI used a not even finished"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "model that was still growing it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "even done cooking yet to solve a"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "millennium prize problem which is the"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "kind of like not even the Olympics of"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "math it's like even higher than that"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> when was this"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> uh like two weeks ago"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> can we Google Yeah, you can look at the"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "Millennium Prize, Nabia Stokes"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "equations. And so the Millennium Prize"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "are a set of math problems that have"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "been considered like the hardest"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "greatest math problems for the last"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "hundred years roughly. So these are"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "things that for decades Yeah, there you"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "go."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> This is a these are problems that our"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "greatest mathematicians, hundreds,"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "thousands of them have spent decades"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "decades working on and had not yet"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "solved."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> And AI"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": ">> did it just solve one. This is open AI."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "This is the article right here. So this"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "is from September 16th. So just"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "recently. Open AI breakthrough triggers"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "existential crisis in math. Claim Navier"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Stokes solution has polarized"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "mathematicians over AI's role. What it"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "means for the next generation. Let's go"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "down. On September 11th, 3 days after"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "OpenAI said it had solved one of the"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "toughest problems in math with a swarm"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "of 10,000 autonomous AI agents, Brown"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "University mathematician Javier Gomez"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Serrano stood before a pack lecture hall"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "at Harvard University with another"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "thousand people tuned in to Zoom to give"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "a hastily convened talk on how the"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "company pulled it off. By many measures,"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "Gomez Serrano is more AID than most"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "mathematicians. For years, he's"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "partnered with Google DeepMind to apply"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "its AI tools to several open problems."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "He often opens talks with a slide"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "depicting the five stages of grief"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "mathematicians go through when sizing up"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "AI's prodigious math skills. But given"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "the events of last week, he thought the"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "slide needed an update. It typically"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "ends with acceptance of AI's power. Now"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "I'm going to add a new twist."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "Existential crisis, he says. On"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "September 8th, OpenAI sent the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "mathematical world into a frenzy when it"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "claimed it to solve the Navier Stokes"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "problem, one of seven pinnacle"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "Millennium Prize problems using one of"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "the company's internal large language"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "models, LLMs, as you've been talking"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "about. An army of AI agents had solved"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "the problem in an 88 hour marathon that"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "burned through millions of dollars worth"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "of computing power. By any standard,"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "proving this kind of worldclass theorem"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "for a problem that has been open for 200"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "plus years, it's a genuine"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "accomplishment, Gomez Serrano said."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "However, the advance is also opening a"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "rift in the field. Some mathematicians"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "say the need to embrace AI tools or go"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "extinct. Others are grappling with what"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "the next generation mathematicians could"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "lose. The idea of math is a form of"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "human understanding built through"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "collaborative work and shared scrutiny."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "Some camps are pushing to democracize"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "access to AI, whereas others are"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "fighting to preserve the field's"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "independence from the companies"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "reshaping it. Jesus Christ."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Yeah, it is hard to overstate how crazy"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "this is. They had an AI that wasn't even"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "done cooking yet, that was still"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "growing, so to speak, and they had"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "10,000 copies of it run for an 88 hour"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "marathon and solved a 200year plus open"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "problem in mathematics."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "I want to know what went into the inputs"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "to put it on the pathway to do that. And"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "here's why I asked that as a total"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "layman. Obviously,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "does it need the human push to be put in"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "the direction to go there?"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "And if it does now, do you think it's"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "developing to the point where it won't"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "need that and can decide to do this"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "itself completely?"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": ">> So, this is a really great question that"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "I want to answer in more detail, but I"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "think in 5 minutes we're going to have"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "to take the break. So,"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> so you want to let's let's hold off on"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> Can we pick up on that one?"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> 100%."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Great deep dive here."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> All right. So Connor's got to go do a TV"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "spot for a second. So right after this"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "break, which is going to be one second"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "on the show here,"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> you're going to hear the answer to that"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "question and we got a lot more to talk"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "about for"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:50", "text": ">> sure."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "button on the video. They're both a"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "huge, huge help. And if you would like"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "to follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

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Like if you run your own"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "business or something, you technically"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "can't really get demoted within your"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "business. But you can have things happen"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "to you. And I know everyone out there"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "runs a business will people will relate"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "to this. You can have things happen to"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "you that you objectively in no way"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "deserve. You did everything to avoid,"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "and it's just the universe [ __ ] you a"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "little bit, but then it creates an"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "opportunity for you to kind of you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "rise Phoenix from the ashes a little"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "bit. And I think a big part of it is the"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "point you're making where you get down"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "maybe to the bare bones of stuff that"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "you didn't previously have time to do or"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "you you ended up delegating it off for a"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "while and then you lost control of how"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "it developed over time and maybe it's a"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "certain details need to be done in a new"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "way and now you get to see that from the"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "inside out. I think that's huge."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Yeah, and"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "it also like every once in a while,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "maybe just go straight back to basics."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "And like"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "I [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "developed a skill set over a long period"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "of time. And um the skills I developed"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "as a junior officer when I was grinding."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "I mean, I was grinding cuz I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "be I did not want to be a bad officer. I"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "wanted to be a really good case officer."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "So, you grind for those years and then"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "you start moving into positions where"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "you're running programs, you're running"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "personnel, you're interacting with more"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "senior people, so you're learning that"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "skill set."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "It's easy to forget"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "or conveniently forget some of those"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "very basic tradecraft, very basic skills"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "that you should have known."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "Best thing that could have happened is"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "one demotion just once, even if it's"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "undeserved, even if it's the universe"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "laughing at you. Um"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "if you treat it with the right attitude,"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "um it's it's an incredibly valuable"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> That's the key. You have to have the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "right attitude with things. It doesn't"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "mean you're not human and when it"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "happens you can't take a minute and be"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "like, \"What the fuck?\" But then you got"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "to get that out of your system,"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "say, \"You know what? I can't control"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "this anymore. So, how do I make the best"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "out of the situation I'm in?\" It sounds"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "like you did that pretty quickly."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> Yeah, and it you know, the people I was"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "working with over there, I think they"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "appreciated having somebody who actually"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "had done the work in the field for"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "Uh having them sit shoulder to shoulder"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "saying, \"Hey, you know, this is might"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "might be how you want to handle this."}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "This is how you write up this cable."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "This is how you whatever.\""}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "So, I I was grateful for that, too, you"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "know, and I think that's"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "if you are going to fight a system, you"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "better [clears throat] learn to uh"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "you're going to have to learn to uh"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "appreciate the things, however small"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "they are."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "Uh give a little gratitude for the"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "things that um"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "come your way."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "so, I learned leadership from the"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "Rangers. I uh"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> And it was 4 years in there, '93 to '97?"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> to '97. It was a little less than 4"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "years. Um"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "and then I stayed in the National Guard"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "after I got out."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Quick question because you had said when"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "you went into the Rangers and were in"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "training, you're like, \"Yeah, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "going to do this for the rest of my life"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "or anything like that.\" You knew that."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "But then as you went along in it, was"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "there ever a point where you were"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "thinking I'm going to stay longer?"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> There was for a very short period of"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "time I thought maybe I might re-enlist"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "because I was interested in the Special"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "Forces Medic career track."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> Um you know, I was"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "I always had a love of science. I"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "thought, \"Okay, well, this is a this is"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "something for a hot minute.\" But that"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "that changed."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> It passed."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> It passed. You know, I started I was"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "like, \"Listen, part of the The with the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "military,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "um, for me"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "if there was somebody who'd been in"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "longer, and that person had been in"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "longer, they will always be in charge of"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "And, um, you have to be okay with that"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "if you're going to stay in the military"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "for a long time. Um, my battalion"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "commander was, um,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "at the time, I think he was Lieutenant"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "Colonel McChrystal."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> And, um, you know, before he was General"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "McChrystal."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> Yeah, like E. Stanley McChrystal."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> Yeah. He's He's another part of that"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "leadership piece there. When he showed"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "up at Second Ranger Battalion, people"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "hated him. And you know why?"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "He said, uh, \"We're going back to"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "basics. I know all you guys want to do"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "is do the special operations missions,"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "the airfield seizures, the the CQB, the"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "clearing,"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "but we're going to do some patrolling,"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "and you're going to be in the field."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "You're going to do raids, ambushes,"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "recon's. You're going to go do those"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "things.\" And we we're like, \"Come on,"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "you know, we want to do the fun, cool"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "stuff.\" And, um, you know, he"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "instituted, uh, different physical"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "standards, um,"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "what was it? A 10-mile ruck march every"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "week, a wow, 12-mile ruck march every"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "month, a"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "25-mile"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "ruck march every 3 months, and a 30-mile"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "ruck march every 4 months."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> And you're still doing that schedule"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "today, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> Right. Right. Can you tell? Um,"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "well, I remember we we all couldn't"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "stand him because he's he's like,"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "\"You're going to do this.\" And the thing"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "was,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "um, there was an incident with a bunch"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "of privates who may or may not have been"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "setting a fire on the back of a range"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "somewhere at Fort Lewis, uh,"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> you know, may or may not have been"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "cooking steaks up on a Friday night, and"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "it's before midnight, and, uh,"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "McChrystal shows up, and he's doing his"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "10-mile ruck march cuz he's got to get"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "it done"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "before Friday, before the end of the"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "week. He's doing all of these standards."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "When he instituted the first thir- first"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "30-mile road march, it was like I forget"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "the order, but the headquarters element"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "went first and Alpha, Bravo, Charlie. He"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "did the 30-miler with every single one"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> [ __ ] yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": ">> uh every week."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> That's cool."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> And so like I may disagree with"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "McChrystal now on politics or other"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "things, but I mean, that's leadership."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> That's I completely agree. You never"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "want to do something that you wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "You never want to ask someone to do"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "something that you have not done"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "yourself or wouldn't do yourself. I"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "think that's just like a key tenant of"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Yeah, and he did it. I mean, hard as"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "nails. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "uh that's where you learn leadership. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "it was a different kind of leadership at"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "the agency. You had to navigate um"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "a more complex"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "hierarchy."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Uh that's the kindest way I can say it."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": ">> We'll touch that later, I'm sure."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": ">> We can. We can."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "when all this mess happened and I said,"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "\"Uh yeah, I'm not doing this anymore."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "I'm not going to"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "equivocate on, you know, be nice so that"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "we can just get along and get past"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "this.\""}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "At that point, um it for me was the most"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "obvious example of this was a purge"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "going on."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "This was not motivated by government"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "efficiency, which is the what they"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "claimed. They said this is about"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "government efficiency. Really?"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> I That was the final straw. There were"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "other things. I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "I haven't uh"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "I don't generally talk about all the"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "time, but as far as I can tell"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "the 2020 election was stolen."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "And that's my opinion."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "And it's my opinion"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> Based on what?"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> Okay. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "in my"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "career at State Department and"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "the agency, we've monitored elections"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "overseas, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> By monitored, you mean metal detectors?"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> really do Hold on. Hold on. I really do"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "mean monitored."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Thank you for that clarification. But"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "we've monitored elections overseas,"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> were monitoring the election in"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Guatemala in 1962, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> Yeah, there's there's there's"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": ">> Italy in '48."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:53", "text": ">> Yeah, before my time."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": ">> of monitoring going on."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": ">> There's monitoring going on."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "But if the number of anomalies"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "that had occurred in the US election"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "had occurred in one of these countries"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "that we monitor elections for,"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "we would have demarched them. There"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "would have been a nasty Sorry, State"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Department would have sent a strongly"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "worded letter"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> remonstrating them for their poor"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "behavior."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:19", "text": ">> That's called a demarche?"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> A demarche. We'd have been like, \"What"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "are you doing here? These aren't free"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "and fair elections.\""}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Is that a word or is that like a French"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "guy?"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> Uh that's a word we use."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> That's a word?"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> word."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "and uh we would have said, \"What are you"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "doing?\""}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "I I mean, I know it. I mean, all of"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "those anomalies. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Did you know this at the time when you"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "were looking at it in 2020?"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I was looking I was going,"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "\"This is insane.\""}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> What was insane specifically?"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> Okay. Well, so I had I did have some"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "cognitive dissonance surrounding it. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "what was insane to me was especially"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "after the election,"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "after the election, you everybody saw"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "that curve, you know, the curve with the"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "jump."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "And uh you're looking at it and going,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "\"That doesn't happen. That's not"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "possible.\" Statistically, what happened"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "wasn't possible. There was those"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "bellwether What is it? Bellwether"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "counties? Bellwether counties, I think,"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "where almost always it predicts who's"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "going to win and it"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "that was wrong."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "And you're looking at all of it and I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "like, \"The election was stolen.\" Now,"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "this is again before I have been"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "involved in any kind of litigation"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "whatsoever, ever. I I have no idea how"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "that process works. Now, I'm a"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "full-fledged jailhouse lawyer, uh but at"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "the time I didn't know how it worked."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "So, my cognitive dissonance with the"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "whole thing was"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "everything I saw pointed towards a"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "stolen election,"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "but every time something went to the"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "court system, it never went anywhere."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "So, I'm I'm you know, part of me was"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "like, I know something feels wrong."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "But, um it's not sticking in court and"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "if there was something wrong, it would"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "definitely stick in our courts."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": ">> And so, my cognitive dissonance at the"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "time was, well, maybe there was some"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "black swan event, maybe. And I was going"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "back and forth on it, but it sure felt"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "like a stolen election."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> Were there people in CIA quietly having"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "the same conversations as you?"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> I mean, people are people. And if you're"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "having that conversation out on the"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "street, you're having that conversation"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "with people you trust in the agency."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "uh you better not be"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "vocally pro-Trump,"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "um because they will shout you down and"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "they'll complain about politicization."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Never mind that they'll talk about"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "everything else on the other side of the"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "aisle."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> How many people in let's go back to"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "2020, 2019, 2018, 2020, if you had to"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "guestimate a percentage of CIA that was"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "anti-Trump and a percentage that was"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "pro-Trump, what would you say?"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": ">> They are mostly anti-Trump. I couldn't I"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "don't think I could estimate a"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "percentage, but they are mostly"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "anti-Trump for the most part. And"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "they're more anti-Trump in certain parts"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "of the agency. And um you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": ">> What parts?"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> The parts that handle our relationship"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "with Europe,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "um for sure."}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": ">> Okay. That actually makes sense."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> It does. It does, doesn't it? It's"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "funny, too. You'd you'd spend time in"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "the Middle East and I did, and you talk"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "to Middle Easterners and they're like,"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "man, we sort of like Trump."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "it was like, it's like, hey, didn't he"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "ban a bunch of your countries from"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> people coming in? Like, how's this work?"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "They're like, America needs a strong"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "man. And so, I mean, I I'd actually had"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "these conversations with them. They're"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "like, yeah, America needs a strong man."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "And at the time, you know, I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "okay, you know, giddy up. You do you."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "button on the video. They're both a huge"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "People check that out. But this, Joey,"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "you have this image up for people,"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "right? So they can see that right now."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. That everything reminds me of"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "her, you know."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> That's That's just You took the words"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "out of my mouth. That is uh"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "Well, as I was saying, the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "ancient texts"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> Yeah, the great flood."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> The great flood, right? It's shown over"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "and over again when humanity's fallen."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "And naturally, you know, I do think"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "about that a little more and how it can"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "happen. So, in the simulation theory of"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "life and how some things are going right"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "now, it's rather interesting that after"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "all this time, thousands of years to be"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "exact, Joey D,"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "it appears that maybe"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "just maybe"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "some archaeologists,"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "researchers,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "historians,"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "a mix of whatever this team is comprised"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "of,"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "thinks that perhaps they have found the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "final resting place"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "of what we know as Noah's ark itself. I"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "[ __ ] you not. This is a real story. Did"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "you hear about this, or is this the"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "first time?"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> No, I didn't, but it's It's the perfect"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "year to discover these types of things."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Yes, almost like we're mentally"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "preparing."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> For, I don't know, like the event?"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> The event, yes."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Can you pull up the second link, Joey D?"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "This has got the full article with the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "details for people."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> Noah's ark."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> is Noah's The headline says, \"Noah's ark"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "resting place, {quote} 100%"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "confirmed, {unquote}\" \"after 4,300 years"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "as huge discovery made.\" According to"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "the Bible, the massive vessel saved"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "humanity and every kind of animal from"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "every single one, Joey D. That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "From annihilation during a catastrophic"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "flood, experts now say they have found a"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "formation. Let's go down."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Isn't that cool? Like to give people the"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "details."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": ">> To open an article with Yeah, \"According"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "to the Bible,"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> uh here's the news.\""}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> Right. The Bible news. Hello."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> of Noah's Ark have supposedly been"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "confirmed and found after remaining a"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "mystery for hundreds of thousands of"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "years. Experts say they have found a"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "mysterious boat-shaped formation that"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "some researchers believe could be the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "remains of Noah's Ark high in the"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "mountains in Turkey. According to the"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Bible, the massive vessel saved humanity"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "and every kind of animal from"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "annihilation in chronologies that place"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "more than 4,300 years ago. Now experts"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "believe that they have {quote} 100%"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "confirmed {unquote} the find. They"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "believe the mound is not a natural"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "geological feature, but instead {quote}"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "a man-made object {unquote} which has"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "been located in Durupinar formation near"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Mount Ararat. I do have to say"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> May."}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> and I remind me I got to talk to Matt"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "LaCroix about coming in early next year."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "I keep forgetting to do that."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> But Matt's been on the show a bunch and"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "Matt's done some extensive work on the"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "ground himself in Turkey. So, Matt's a"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "great guy, cares a lot about ancient"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "history. I love hearing him talk."}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Sometimes he goes like a little far on"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "some stuff, but like when it comes to"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "some of the things that are being found"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "in the structures and the stuff in Lake"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "Van in Turkey, like some of his work"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "there"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "to me is really, really, really"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "impressive and I highly recommend people"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "check that out. But this Joey, you have"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "this image up for people, right? So,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "they can see that right now?"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. That everything reminds me of"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "her, you know?"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> That's That's just"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> You took the words out of my mouth."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> That is uh"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> That's a mussy."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": ">> We found the clitoris."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> That's a mountain. That's a mussy."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "A mussy?"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> You just come up with that now?"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> Yeah, just now."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:35", "text": ">> That's pretty good."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Yeah, it's mountain mussy."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> That's good. Mountain mussy."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:38", "text": ">> Yeah, mussy."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Okay, let's go down so I can keep"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "[laughter] giving the scientific"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "details."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "They used laser technology and radar"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "surveys to look into the area and say"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "they found structural layers, straight"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "lines, right-angle intersections, and"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "large cavity-like spaces at multiple"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "depths which suggest something man-made"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "had once laid there. The researchers"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "also claimed their high-tech scans show"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "potential chambers."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Chamber of Secrets down there, Joey"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "Diaz?"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> That's it."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Corridors and tunnels along with a thick"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "underground layer dividing into three"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "parts, a feature that compared to God's"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "command in Genesis for Noah to build the"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "ark with three decks. Imagine you're"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "finding something and you're going"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "through like these hardcore scientific"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "lidar surveys and like looking at the"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "scans and figuring out the structure and"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "then like turning to Genesis and you're"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "like, \"Oh, yeah, matches up.\""}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Like that's got to be some next level"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "[ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> to be pretty crazy, yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Now they are searching to see if"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "they can find any traces of decayed wood"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "to further substantiate their claims."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "There's more."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "So there's the the it's kind of a side"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "profile. Independent researcher Andrew"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Jones, the founder of Noah's Ark Scans,"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "right to the point on that name, has"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "investigated the area for nearly 30"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "years. He said neither the radar or"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "surveys nor drilling conducted inside"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "the formation detected limestone or"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "solid bedrock. That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> The expert added, \"This destroys the"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "theory the site is a solid limestone"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "block shaped into a This destroys the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "theory the site is a solid limestone"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "block shaped into a boat by glaciers and"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "weathering after coming down the"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "mountainside and it also refutes the"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "theory that this is bedrock around which"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "mud flowed to form the shape. I firmly"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "believe the Durupınar formation"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "represents the buried remains of Noah's"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "Ark. The research team recently drilled"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "into the formation collecting samples"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "that may contain vital evidence and is"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "the latest hunt to find the elusive"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "formerly mythical boat.\" That is [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "wild. The first major"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "The first major radar survey in 2019"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "detected linear and angular anomalies"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "the team interpreted as possible walls,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "passageways and separate compartments. A"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "deeper investigation conducted in 2026"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "by Dr. Costeau Bakhtar used an advanced"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "radar system developed through US Air"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "Force research and found massive layered"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "reflectors, underground boundaries that"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "bounce radar signals back towards the"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "surface, as well as what the team"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "interpreted as sediment-filled cavities"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "in the same area. Five prominent"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "anomalies appear to form a possible"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "tunnel system extending across roughly"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "151 ft with an average structural height"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "of over 14 ft. All right, how tall is an"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "elephant?"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "So, if it was 14 ft. How tall is an Like"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "an African elephant. I want to make sure"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "I have it exact. An African elephant."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "Fits. 13 ft."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> That's max, yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> 13 ft max, which means 14-ft ceilings"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "would fit the elephant."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "The largest mammal on Earth."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": ">> We out here finding biblical [ __ ] Joey"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Diff."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> How tall are Asian"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> I don't know whether to be excited or"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "scared."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> Asian elephants? No, they're a little"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "shorter."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> Asian elephants are shorter. They're"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "smaller."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Just"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:50", "text": ">> Yeah, the heads are also shaped"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "differently."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "They have a different touch formation, I"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "think, too."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> But you're you could get the full-blown"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "African elephant on there, which would"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "make sense."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Cuz then it would, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "if it's 4,300 years since this one,"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> it's also not that long a time from an"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "evolution perspective."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "You know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": ">> I like how they're just saying 100%"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "confirmed. They're really confident."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> Yeah, the confidence worries me a little"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "bit because like when you're making a"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "claim about one of the ultimate like"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "secrets of ancient text and you're just"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "it's 100% and we haven't even"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "technically taken it out of the cavity"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "yet."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "Probably should back off that a little"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "bit. That's what I mean. We run too far"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "with this, but"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "that certainly looks very, very suspect."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "And as I said,"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "even looking at Göbekli Göbeklitepe"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> in in Turkey. Turkey for some reason is"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "one of those places"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "where like Yeah, a lot's going on and"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "also archaeologists and the whole like"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "archaeologists industrial complex love"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "telling people to shut the [ __ ] up and"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "not look here. And they love saying,"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "\"No, nothing to see here.\" when someone"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "finds something objectively crazy. Like"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "even when we had Hugh Newman in here,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "that episode came out in January."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": ">> You know, some of the stuff he's been"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "finding in Turkey. Like again, interpret"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "it as you will, but like you can't look"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "at these structures and the different"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "formations and not say, \"This [ __ ] is"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "crazy and old as fuck.\""}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> You know, I just that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "strangest things, Dave, that I've seen"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "firsthand doing this podcast for a lot"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "of years now and having some cool people"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "working on archeo- archeological digs in"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "here. One of the strangest things to me"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "from like the academic perspective where"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "there's a lot of strange [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "obviously, is the complete ivory tower"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "around trying to find new ancient"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "discoveries in history. It doesn't mean"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "every time you find something, including"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "this story we just read, like, \"Oh, that"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "definitely means that like we have to"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "rewrite everything.\" Like, yeah, you"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "don't want to run too far with it. But"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "like, test these things out. Stop being"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "like, \"No, this is decided science.\""}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "When? From, you know, 1845 Royal England"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "making the declaration on Egypt?"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Like I I feel like we've come a little"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "farther with technology than to, you"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "know, since then to"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "make some new conclusions here, no?"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> No, I agree. Got to challenge it. That's"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> We've got to challenge it. But, you"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "whether it's Bonnie Blue"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "billionaires [ __ ] raping kids on"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "islands and [ __ ] whatever whatever, you"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "know, the soup du jour of \"Holy [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "send the asteroid.\" is, when we start"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "finding some things like the great flood"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "remnant."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> Hard not to ask some tough questions"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "there, Deef."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> Yeah, I agree."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "button on the video. 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And the scenario is developed"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "from"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "reading different passages throughout"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "the Bible, not on one specific It's not"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "all like in one specific book, and"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "trying to piece them together"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "to say uh if we're going to take all of"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "the prophecy what's called literally or"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "that it's going to be fulfilled like in"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "a way we could observe like a journalist"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "could observe. This is the scenario of"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "events that have to happen. And so the"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "one that starts the end times off um"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "is the rapture. And the rapture is this"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "idea that in any moment in a split of"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "you know in a in a wink of an eye"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "all the true Christians will be suddenly"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "disappeared and go to heaven."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "they'll be it'll be so dramatic that"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "like if they're a pilot in an airplane"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "then the airplane will have no pilot and"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "it will crash. Or"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> They'll just disappear like"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> disappear in the thin air. So this is"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "called the rap This is This is what uh"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "often Americans when you hear the word"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "rapture this is like the the thing um"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "that that comes to mind. So um the idea"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "is uh"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "no one knows this time what when this is"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "going to happen but when it happens"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "it'll be dramatic and all the true"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Christians the ones who really believe"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "in Jesus"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "aren't just do performing it will"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "disappear at once and that'll kick off a"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "7-year"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "end of time tribulation as it's called."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "And um it and that's where Israel will"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "play a big role. And the deeper theology"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "here is that dispensationalists unlike"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "almost every other Christian tradition"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "doesn't think that God is done with the"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "Jewish people"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "as a people"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "as a nation"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "including a a like sovereign nation"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "state."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Catholics, Orthodox, most Protestants"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "would say"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "that's how God worked in the Old"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "Testament the kingdom of Israel King"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "David all that kind of stuff. But once"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "Jesus came"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "Jesus changed the covenant and now it"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "was about joining the church. And the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "church is the entity that God, you know,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "cares about. And you know, um"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "it is what is going to be the thing that"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Christians join to enact the Sermon on"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "the Mount and all that kind of stuff."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "Dispensationalists, and this goes back"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "to the guy who who sort of founded this"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "in the 19th century,"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "don't think that that's what happened"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "when Jesus came. That Jesus created the"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "church as a separate entity, but that"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "the ultimate plan,"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "because they want to read the prophecies"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "literally,"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "is that God will fulfill these"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "prophecies through the Jewish people."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "So, like when the prophet Isaiah"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "talks about"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "the or maybe Zechariah would be another"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "one. These are just prophets in the Old"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Testament. Talks about all the nations"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "of the earth coming up to Jerusalem"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "to pay honor to Jesus the king"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "as some type of end times vision."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Christians have tended to say, \"Ah,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "that's spiritual. That's like all"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "peoples will be part of the church and"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "we will worship Jesus.\""}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Dispensationalists say, \"No, no, no, no."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "That's a literal thing. Like they're all"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "going to go up to the They're physically"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "going to travel to Jerusalem"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "and then pay honor to the king of the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Jews, who is Jesus.\" And so, they go"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "throughout the whole Old Testament and"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "and it's largely the Old Testament where"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "we have these these prophecies that"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "involve Israel"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "or the you know, the seed of Abraham or"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "the seed of David. And"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "dispensationalists say, \"No, those are"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "still going to happen just like they"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "were prophesied way back when.\""}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "Which means they haven't been fulfilled"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "yet, which means they must be fulfilled"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "in the future, which means there's still"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "a future for the literal seed of"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "Abraham, the the ethnic Jewish people."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "And because they are committed to that,"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "and it hasn't happened yet, they think"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "all this stuff is going to happen in the"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "future. And so, that's where the end"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "times, piecing all this stuff together,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "they get the sense that the rapture"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "happens. The rapture takes away the"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "church"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "from the play from the chessboard."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "And so, then Israel is the main"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "character again, just like it was in the"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "Old Testament. And so um"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Israel will"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "ultimately be uh"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "sort of attacked by its enemies and will"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "be miraculously [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "saved."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Um it will ultimately sign a peace"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "treaty, but it will be a false treaty"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "and they will be betrayed."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "And the person that is going to"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "adjudicate that treaty is actually the"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "Antichrist, who's the"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "you know, inversion of Christ. He's he's"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "this figure that seems like a savior but"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "is actually demonic."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "So this is one reason why evangelicals"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "are very skeptical of the peace process."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "Because when they think about peace in"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "this prophetic sense, the only peace is"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "going to be a false peace."}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "And so the idea that, you know, there's"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "actually authentic, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "peacemakers"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "is not part of their their worldview."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "It's like they this place is destined to"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "be a conflict zone and any type of peace"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "can only be a false peace. But that"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "false peace will be broken, Israel will"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "be"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "betrayed, many many Jews will die. This"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "is part of the complex the the"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "awkwardness of this scenario when you're"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "talking when Israelis talk to Christian"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "Zionists because in the Christian"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Zionist scenario"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "most of the most of the Israelis die"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "based on how they interpret these"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "prophecies."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> protect all of them cuz they're all"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "going to die anyway."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> That's the cynical reading of it, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Is is that um"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": ">> like a literal reading of it."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "button on the video. They're both a huge"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "What can people do to protect themselves"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "from stuff? What specifically should"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "they be looking out [music] for?"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Make all your parents and grandparents"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "social media profiles private where just"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "random people can't add you and search"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "for you. Verify. So, like if someone's"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "on the phone with you, someone's hacked"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "your account, whatever it may be, hang"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "up the phone and verify with somebody"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "else. Scammers do not want you to verify"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "anything. Don't let someone remote into"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "your computer or phone. If there's some"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "random person that has eyes on any of"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "your [music] accounts, like if someone's"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "remoted in and they're asking you to log"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "into something, that is not genuine. The"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "other thing I would do is like try to"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "get off of like data brokers."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> How do you do that?"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> There's services that will take your"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "information and they will opt you out of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "data broker sites. I call it cyber"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "hygiene cuz that's something we have to"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "do to protect ourselves is get our"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "information off the internet. Get a"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "secure email that's not in the United"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "States with encrypted data that"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "governments can't get into."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Do you got any recommendations?"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> I use Proton. They're not sponsoring"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "what I'm saying. It just I use them. I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "sure there'll be someone in the comments"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "saying, [music] \"No.\" But, they're very"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "solid. The final thing is password"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "management. Have good passwords [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "and store them securely and use"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "two-factor authentication."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> How do you store them securely? What do"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "you mean by that?"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> Password manager. Apple has one on their"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "iPhone. People probably freak out about"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "that, but they have a fairly solid one"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "if you want to just do that. Cuz if"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "there's a data breach and you have"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "different passwords for all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "different things versus like one"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "password, [music] then you will be"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "protected."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Mr. Frank Wright, welcome to the show."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "It's an honor to have you here."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Thank you very kindly."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> So, I just found out before right before"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "we sat down that you are the last"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "living original Marine Raider."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> That's correct."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> That's why I understand now."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> That is incredible. I had a lot of"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "friends. I have a lot of friends that"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "are Marine Raiders and I have a deep"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "deep respect"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> and I know they're going to love this"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "interview."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> We were a good group,"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "but uh"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "good Lord says they want some on pearly"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "gates. They they got them."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> That's right. Well, let me start you off"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "with an introduction."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Mr. Frank Wright, you're a World War II"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Marine veteran who joined the Marine"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Corps at just age 16 following the"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "attack on Pearl Harbor, later serving"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "with the fourth Marine Raider Battalion,"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "one of the Marine Corps's earliest"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "special operations units. He fought in"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "some of the most piv pivotal campaigns"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "of the Pacific War, including Guad"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "Canal, New Georgia, Guam, and Ewima,"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "later serving with the 21st Marines. You"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "were wounded multiple times in combat,"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "including a devastating gunshot wound on"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "Io Euogima that tore your chest, lung,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "clavicle, and left arm, ultimately"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "earning you the Purple Heart. Among your"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "other citations, Purple Heart with one"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "star, Presidential Unit Citation with"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "two stars, Navy Unit Accommodation,"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "American Campaign Medal, Asiatic Pacific"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Campaign Medal with three stars, Fleet"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "Marine Force Combat Operations Insignia"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "with four stars, Marine Corps"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Expeditionary Medal, Combat Action"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "Ribbon with four stars, World War II"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "victory medal, and the Navy and Marine"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Corps for good conduct medal."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "After recovering from your combat"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "wounds, you went on to serve as a Marine"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Corps drill instructor, training the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "next generation of Marines. After the"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "war, you built a successful career and a"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "family that now includes children,"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "grandchildren, and greatg"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "grandandchildren. Later in life, you"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "wrote battles in the Pacific to preserve"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "your firsthand memories of the war and"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "ensure the names and stories of the men"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "you served alongside were never"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "forgotten. You were married for 74"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "years. You're 101 years old. Most"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "importantly, you're a Christian."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "Once again, welcome to the show. And"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> thank you."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> I'd like to start off by just saying"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "thank you for your service."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": ">> Thank you kindly, sir."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "So you"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "joined right after December 7th, 1941"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "when Pearl Harbor happened, correct?"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Can you talk a little bit about"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "what it was like when Pearl Harbor"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "happened?"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "first thing I was uh"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "I was sitting at the"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "dining room table making airplanes out"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "of balsa wood."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "In fact, it was a Fulker D8 which what I"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "was looking I was working on and I heard"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "this news first. I said, \"Well, that's"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "pretty sneaky, you know, doing something"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "like that.\" But, uh, I didn't know where"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Pearl Harbor was. It It was It was"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "something out in the Pacific is all I"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "knew and"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "and really cared for on. But then"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "later on I I found out what it actually"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "meant"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "when it was uh it was put on television."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> How old were you when you joined?"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:10", "text": ">> 16."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> 16 years old."}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Yes. And they wouldn't take me."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Why wouldn't they take you?"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> I was uh too young"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "and I didn't weigh much."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "So, but uh I took care of that by having"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "my my aunt, which was my mother's"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "sister, fill out a be uh"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "bellayed birth certificate out of and uh"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "it was never certified."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "So, but the sergeant didn't care. he"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "recruiting sergeant. He wanted me that"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "was it."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "So he didn't care about that."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "And then as far as uh the weight was"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "concerned, I had gone home and bought"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "five pounds of bananas"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "and stuffed them in my blouse."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "And so I I joined with five pounds of"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "bananas in my blouse. Really? How much"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "did you weigh? Do you remember?"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> No, I really don't. On it."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> Do you remember?"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> It it was it was five pounds"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "did it. That made me high uh weigh"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "enough to to get in the service. And I"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "still think that the the uh recruiting"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "stars fudged a little bit on his uh"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "papers on it, but then who was I to"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "question his great authority he had?"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "So, but anyway, that was one of the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "reasons that were"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> Why did you pick the Marine Corps?"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "The Marine Corps has a heck of a lot"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "prettier"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "uniform"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "as you could see."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "Uh, and I thought that was a a great"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "Well, we called it a chick getter."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> A chick eater."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": ">> A chick getter."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> A chick getter."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. We in my day the girls were"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "chicks."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "And I needed help. All the help I could"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "get."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Don't we all?"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> So, but uh they got me in a lot of"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "trouble couple of time or so. But then"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "when I was stationed in Tong Point,"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Oregon on it, uh, we had a bar that we"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "used to go to"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and one of the and I was way too young"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "to be drinking, but the guys passed me"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "brandy underneath the table and stuff"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "and so and doing so one of a Navy guy"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "and I had just really hate to say this,"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "but the Navy and the Marines did not get"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "along very good in 1941."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "So we had problems on it and we and why"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "I don't know but of course I was going"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "to join right in with the reason why but"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "a sailor came by and"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "knocked my cover off the my head and I"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "reached down and I picked it up and came"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "up with my right fist and I decked him"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "and the fight was on."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "The Navy and the Marines both started"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "fighting and stuff, but I was sitting"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "down like that and"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "something somebody hit me on the"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "shoulder on it. I turned around and just"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "as I turned around the beer bottle hit"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "me right in the face on it. It was that"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "sailor that I had knocked down."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "He got up and he took"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "a nice swing and hit me across. I still"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "have a little scar on my for"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "hit me, knocked me out. The rest of the"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "guys on the on the uh on the table,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "pulled me over and put me behind the"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "bar."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "And then they went on fighting and"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "Shore patrol came by and closed the"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "place down,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "locked the door"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "or little old Frank was still behind the"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "bar. I stayed there and behind the bar"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "out till about 2 in the morning"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "and I woke up. No one was around. I"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "tried the door and the door was locked."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "I couldn't get out that way. So, I"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "called the base,"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "got a hold of one of the guys there that"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "had a car,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "and they came over and picked me up, put"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "a shoulder to the front door,"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "got me up, put me in the car, and took"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "me back to the base."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": ">> I don't think much has changed between"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "the Navy and Marine Corps since then."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> Oh, you don't think so?"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> I don't think so. was pretty much the"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "same when I was at"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:52", "text": ">> we didn't get along very close."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> So, what did you join the Marine Corps"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "to do? Was there a specific job you had"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "in mind that you wanted to do in the"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "Marine Corps? Did you want to go to"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> I wanted uh I wanted to be an airplane"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "mechanic."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> An airplane mechanic."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> Yeah, of course. I was building"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "airplanes and stuff and stuff and I had"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "a lot of"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "experience in that. And so I joined up"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "and I asked for uh to be in the Air"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Force on it, the Marine Corps Air Force"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "on it as a mechanic. It didn't work out."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "The closest I got to an airplane was"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "when they took me into it and I saw them"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "fly over and that was about it cuz they"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "said, \"Oh yeah, we'll put you in the Air"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "Force, Marine Air Force.\""}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "So that was good enough of me. Sergeant"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "says that that's true."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "But uh I never did get close to an"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "airplane to do any work on them on at"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "all really. And I'm I'm still not that"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "versed in it. I was a lot better at"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "fighting than I was."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> How did you find out you were good at"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "fighting? He became a you wound up"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "becoming a Marine Raider very early on."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "How did they choose Marine Raiders?"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> The the guy was that was the head of uh"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "his name was AH Allen"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "and he turned out to be my senior drill"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "instructor."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "He knew what I was and what I was"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "capable of doing when uh when he was"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "training in this. So he put in his bid"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "for me to be a a raider and I was the"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "fourth one I think the fourth one out of"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "the uh whole company that was picked for"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "raider battalion and turned out that uh"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "Jimmy Roosevelt was my"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "raider officer"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> the president's son"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> president's son. He was good. And the"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "one thing he said that kind of impressed"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "me, we were trained in boot camp"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "to listen to our superiors. Of course,"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "M. Sergeant Allen was uh the one of the"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "reasons that I remembered because he"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "kind of impressed us with his uh"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "training methods, too. So,"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "but uh when Roosevelt came in contact"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "with"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "the fourth marine raiders, the first"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "word he said to us, we were all hunted"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "down on our butts and he says,"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "\"Kill.\""}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "That's what I want you to remember."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "kill."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "We're not here to defend anything else"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "kill."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "And says, \"And I'll train you to make"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "sure that you do that and you'll be able"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "to do that.\" And he was true. Every time"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "that he trained us in something,"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "it was to kill them. It wasn't any we"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "didn't go for wounded or anything like"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "And we we were taught to kill"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "and we did"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "and we used that method that he taught"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "us."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": ">> Do you remember the method?"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:59", "text": ">> Very definitely. So"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": ">> what was it?"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "Well, I could kill a guy and"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "with two blows. That's it. That's all I"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "needed."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "I was able to"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "break his nose. I was able to break his"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "thorax."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "I use that method that he taught us"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "all the time."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "That he was of course, you know, I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "only at that time probably 16 or 17."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "You know, I go to church. Thou shalt not"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "kill"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "but not"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "the colonel."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "He was"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "very adamant on it that"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "that's what we were there for"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "and that's what kept me alive going on"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "some of the things that I was doing on"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "it and I had to do."}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "So"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "do you remember the first man you had to"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "kill?"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "Who was it?"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> That was a"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "Japanese. I guess what it is."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "I guess the Japs are a derogatory"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "term,"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "they're still jeeps to be on them. They"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "were the enemy. That's it."}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "How did you do it?"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Crossed up in the throat."}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "Use my hands."}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "Killed him"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "with the side of my hands"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "like that"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "across his throat."}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "It only takes two"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "two times to do it. You come pretty"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "get pretty good at it."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "It's impressive on it when they"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "they say you're gonna do that and you're"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "going to be able to, you know, kill a"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "person that what he when when you don't"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "want to, but you're going to do it."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "Self-preservation."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "But anyway, we"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:04", "text": ">> How old were you the first time you"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "killed a man? I think I was 17."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": ">> 17 years old."}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "It was from And the other guy was young"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "as well"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "and he was he was good"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "but not quite good."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "I've always used power banks, especially"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "when I'm traveling, filming, or running"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "long days. But most of them still leave"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "you carrying extra cords, adapters, and"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "wall blocks. 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After you purchase, they'll ask"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "where you heard about them. Please"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "support our show and tell them our show"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "sent you."}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "Where is the first place that you"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "deployed to?"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": ">> Our first place was on uh"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "New Georgia."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:22", "text": ">> Was New Georgia first combat there. And"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "I didn't I didn't kill anybody there on"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "it. But uh boy, I sure learned a lot"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "there though. Jeez. Not only myself, but"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "some of the other guys that had gone"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "through"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "a lot."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "and they uh they got ambushed a couple"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "of times and I wasn't involved in it but"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "uh that was"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "on New Georgia"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "there's"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "really jungle fighting"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "and between tribes"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "different tribes of they they"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "the natives against the natives"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "and the pride of the native people there"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "on New Georgia."}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "It was"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "they had black hair"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "on the low on the lower part of their"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "skull"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "and on the top of it is about inch and a"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "half two inches of red hair"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "that grows out. 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We found"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "and I didn't go through there but I"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "found out how they killed them and what"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "they did on it."}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "They cut their heads off"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "from the from their shoulders"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "and place them on little statues inside"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "a smokehouse."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "these guys that went through the the"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "smokehouse"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "said, \"God, it stunk"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "from"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "from the steps up.\" That's how they the"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "head hunters used the as I said, they"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "they were uh"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "I I be scared. Number one. Number two, I"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "couldn't see"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "them"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "cutting the heads off and"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "all that. They were head hunters."}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "What were you guys doing in New Georgia?"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:19", "text": ">> I wanted a tattoo"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "myself. I wanted my upper right arm"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "and I wanted to get the uh Marine emblem"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "on it. And"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "they it was against the rules"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "regulations. We were not, and they will"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "repeat, not to have any tattoos on our"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "body at all. Cuz the Japanese"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "favorite thing was to skin this that"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "tattoo off of your"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "arm, shoulder, or wherever it was on it,"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "and skin it"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "for lampshades."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "They would cut off the tattoos."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:10", "text": ">> I sure as hell didn't want my my skin on"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "one of those uh shades. So,"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "I adhered to the rules of no tattoos."}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "And so, I never did get a tattoo."}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": ">> Did you take fire coming ashore?"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:22", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": ">> In New Georgia?"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:30", "text": ">> No. Not Not on New Georgia. Uh-uh. No."}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "We We came in free and clear. none, no"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "fire at all on it. Uh there a few"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "elements"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "in our group. I was one of the one of"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "the guys that didn't. And one of the"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "reason I didn't get any fire at that"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "time, I think, was because we were kind"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "of protected in a way for the first time"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "that they had"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "boys"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "And air and a"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "aircraft."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "That is not the aircraft tanks."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:15", "text": ">> Yes. Boy's rifle boys and a tank rifle"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "on it."}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "55 caliber. He laid down"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "a covering of fire for those in front of"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "and we didn't have any at all coming in"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "cuz we were they wanted they being the"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "uh Marine Corps wanted to know more"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "about the anatic rifle. We were the"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "first ones to put uh the anthetic rifle"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "in combat"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "and they wanted to see what we could do."}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "And we had five guys in my squad on it,"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "myself and four more. So I I"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "I'm one of the first"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "Marines that had a anti-tank rifle."}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "Uh it's 55 caliber."}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "And as I say, it's it was it was very"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "good, but it was real heavy. And it took"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "two other guys to carry the ammunition"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "for it."}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "I had uh the opportunity to fire fired"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "in combat, but uh I didn't hit anything"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "because you know there were no we had no"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "tanks there."}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:45", "text": ">> Could you see what you were firing at in"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "the jungle?"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": ">> Yeah, you could"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:53", "text": ">> see that. You could see that and we we"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "knew what it was and we we knew the"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "vulnerable places to fire."}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:02", "text": ">> What were you firing at?"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:05", "text": ">> We were were firing at the first track"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "and he he hit that track. Hit that track"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "and then knock it knocked it off the the"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "uh whatever it's called."}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": ">> Tank out of the tank on it. What were"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "you doing at Guad Canal?"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:24", "text": ">> Guad Canal. Uh we were first on on the"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "way"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "to Guad Canal."}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "We were instructed"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "uh to that we were there for safety"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "to the troops that were fighting there."}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "So they didn't have any they didn't have"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "to stand guard or anything like that"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "after they were attacked or after they"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "attacked Henderson Field and I think our"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "orders read the stand guard on Henderson"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "Field. Do you remember clearing NP enemy"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "positions and hunting holdouts"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "with Major James Roosevelt?"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "Uh well there's one there held out for a"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "long time"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "couple of years I said they would but"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "anyway we had uh we had some that were"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "in uh coconut trees"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "uh and then uh we got a"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "J Japanese"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "two squads of Marines going through the"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "the coconut grove"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "and they didn't have a good scout."}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "Scouts"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "missed the ones that were in the gaps"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "that were in the coconut trees"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "and they ran into a"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "a good uh"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "good number of uh"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "kids that were killed on that. 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And"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "anyway, I I heard all of this commotion."}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "So I told my squad that uh was still"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "there on landing."}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "Tell them to hang hang in there and"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "stake it and fire when you need to and"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "then and whatever you need. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "see what all that firing is. So I went"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "down the road a little bit further and I"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "came in contact with"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "uh some Marines that were had gotten uh"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "and really running away from that"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "particular trap that the Jeffs had set"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "up and"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "the T chaplain got a hold of me and he"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "said turn these guys over"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "and so I can agreed to the"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "rights"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "bar rights or whatever they call it on"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "So I did I turn"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "several of them over and"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "see their faces."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "Any anyway, we"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "one of the guys I I recognized"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "and I turned him over and and he was"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "dead and that shook me up quite a lot."}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "But the chaplain"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "Redmond I think it was called"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "he turned he read the rights to them"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "I couldn't I couldn't take any more of"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "that was too close to home."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "So I stopped"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "and of course he stopped. even I guess"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "there's something in their creed that"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "they can't uh"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "but you have to see their face to"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "to give them the rights. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "But anyway, we that's what it happened"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "there. And"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "the next day"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "we went out in a group"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "and Gu canal and"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "we got caught in the same position, same"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "thing. We had two two guys that were"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "killed out of the out of uh our 21st"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "Marines on."}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "That was a that was a"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "that was a hard to that was hard to"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "take."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "And that's really the first time I'd"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "seen"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "dead guys ever"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "that I knew."}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": ">> They were your friends?"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:58", "text": ">> Yes. Well, not close friends, but they"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "were known to."}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:04", "text": ">> We were friends. we played cards"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "stuff like that together. So,"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "but he's uh"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "they are good at camouflage."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "The Japanese are excellent at in that"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "particular field."}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "In fact,"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "the uh commander of the"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "of uh all four"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "raiders made that recommendation"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "to the warlords or whoever it is. that"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "one of the things that we had that the"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "Marines had to be taught and boot camp"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "on"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "how to camouflage lodge yourself better"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "cuz that was and then come to think of"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "it you know I I don't think I ever got"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "any kind of a training on on camouflage"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "it was all always it was always"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "something"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "uh physical that we had to do ourselves"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "on it. But they were they were good at"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "it. Real good at it."}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": ">> Let's go back to Guam."}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": ">> Do you remember? Do you want to talk"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "about the first time you landed on the"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "beach?"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:25", "text": ">> In Guam?"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:28", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": ">> What was that like?"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:31", "text": ">> I was scared."}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:33", "text": ">> Why were you scared?"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:37", "text": ">> Why were you scared on it? cuz we had we"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "had uh they were shooting at us on it"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "I I didn't get uh wounded there on it"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "was next day after that that first"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "landing on it. But uh I was scared"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "really cuz it uh when you look at those"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "people that and"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "And then you start thinking, you know,"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "this is this is what they are released"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "from all their tyranny that they've had"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "before on it."}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "That was"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "later on."}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "They had a a lot of uh caves"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "up against uh"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "uh the area that we landed"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "and the Navy was"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "firing at those caves that were in"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "there. That was one of the things that"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "on my second trip to Guam, I was able to"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "go over there and and see and up close"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "where the where the Navy had really"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "pelted the the landing area where we had"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "landed."}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "That was good. All right. we stood in I"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "I was able to on my second trip there. I"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "was able to"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "go in there and uh"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "and actually see the entrance of those"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "of those particular caves on it."}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "We had a lot of uh a lot of Japs. saw a"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "lot of jets there when the the tanks,"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "Japanese tanks came down the hill from"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "Atan"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "and uh just as the tank battalion was"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "landing"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "and so they were not able to our troops"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "were our tanks were not able to"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "get up there fast enough because the"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "Japs were coming down"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "and the jeeps were following the tanks"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "right behind them."}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "And just as they got down toward where"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "we were bracked"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "out from behind the tanks and came and"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "attacked us just where we were back on"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "it. Some of them ran past us, went and"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "went on further down to the headquarters"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "company and tanks that were coming in."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "And then some of them stayed there and"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "fight"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "us guys. We had just gotten out of the"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "foxholes"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "and I started fighting them as they came"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "down."}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:55", "text": ">> There was 400 of them plus."}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:37:02", "text": ">> Yes. A lot of them. And I I got one who"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "was a little feisty on it guy and"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "got a hold of him and boy I wish I had"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "no but anyway uh he started charging me"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "and then I"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "jumped out of out of the way of his"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "charge"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "first time the second time on it and I"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "wasn't fast enough"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "I uh stepped backwards."}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "So when we buy when we when we dug our"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "box holes on it, we dug in and pile the"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "dirt up around the on the outside of it"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "like a burm on it. And"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "I as I was going backwards for the live"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "trip, I fell just as I fell"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "Japanese lungs and he stuck me in the"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "stomach cuz his bayonet"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "and I fell down backwards on it"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "and my"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "neighbor next to me on it. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "He either shot him"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "or uh"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "or whatever."}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "And the jet fell down on top of me."}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "Well, I was in a box"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "and he fell down on top of me."}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "As he fell down, my hand as I fell down,"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "my hand went out and I hit my"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "gung-ho knife that was that I had been"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "using"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "to dig into the dirt"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "and recognized it and I pulled it. my"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "hand that I pulled it out and on my"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "swap and then I cut his head, his"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "throat,"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "and he started bleeding all over me and"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "all over the place on it."}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "And he was"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "he's a little heavy. I couldn't move"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "I had this"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "hole in my stomach and that was"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "beginning to get sore."}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:34", "text": ">> Where did the hole in your stomach come"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "from? Did he stab you?"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:40", "text": ">> Yes, he get stabbed me with his bandet."}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:46", "text": ">> And you kept fighting in the top part of"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "my stomach like that. And as he went"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "down, I turned evidently and it turned"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "the blade turned and it went in on a"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "slant"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "and it hurt."}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "So he just stayed there on there. I"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "think that course died. It"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "laid laid on top of me and"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "we got"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "and I guess the guy"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "that shot him"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "yelled something out"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "out. I don't know what it was."}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "I got him before you right or something"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "like that. He saved you."}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, he did. He really did."}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "He He either shot him or stabbed him or"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "something. I don't know how it was what"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "it was. But I cut his head off and I"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "didn't cut it off. I just swiped it"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "across and"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "but anyway, it was enough to bleed him."}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "So he bled lead on it and then"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "then that evening that night or whatever"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "it was"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "kept they"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "next morning"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "they tried to count all the"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "people that were"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "wounded and"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "and stains like He"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "finally they saw they saw me then and I"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "was yelling and hollering and"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "get that bastard off of my"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "stomach and they pulled him off and he"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "was dead. And he got me out and so what"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "it was on it like that and it really"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "wasn't that deep on it because it was as"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "said I I turned just as it I fell on it"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "and he"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "but it was"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "it was I was more scared than than than"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "I was hurt. They called they they pulled"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "me out and of course I had all kinds of"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "blood on me from my blood and his blood."}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "I went up there and I yell over there"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "for the corman to come up. the Corman"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "came over and"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "he cleaned me up"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "to see how that it wasn't a a real deep"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "cut."}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "And so he put a"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "big piece of tape on it and pulled it"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "together. That's how I I stayed. And"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "that's why I didn't go in any further"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "than the aid station there. There were"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "guys a lot worse than me."}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:21", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:21", "text": ">> Frank, let's take a quick break."}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "If you've ever been in another country"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "and couldn't communicate the way you"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "wanted to, you know how frustrating that"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "can be. You can know where you're trying"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "to go, know what you want to order, and"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "still feel stuck because you don't have"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "the words. That language barrier changes"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "the whole experience. My team and I had"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "this problem when traveling"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "internationally for interviews. So to"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "solve that, we started using Babel."}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "Babel is built around real life"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "conversation, not random vocabulary"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "lists or endless grammar drills. 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Rules and"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "restrictions may apply."}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "right, Frank,"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "we're getting into You wanted to talk"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "about your second trip to Guam."}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:50", "text": ">> Yes. Uh the governor of Guam had invited"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "me to come to them on a"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "reunion that they had. They wanted me to"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "be the grand marshall of the parade that"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "they were having. And I was able to see"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "some of the people"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "that were in that we released from"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "prison."}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": ">> This is after the war."}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": ">> This is afterwards. This is way"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "afterwards."}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:27", "text": ">> How did it feel being back there?"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:31", "text": ">> Oh, it was good. Really good."}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "I was able to retrace the landing"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "area, re retrace"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "the steps that I had taken on Guam the"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "first time on it and"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "it meant a lot to me."}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "Later that evening I was able to"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "go to to Colonel's"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "I think it was a colonel uh house for uh"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "snacks and stuff."}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "And we walked out to the"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "to the edge of the hill"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "that we had climbed the first time on."}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "We woke up and I was able to look over"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "the hill at at the hill that we climbed"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "up on it and we dug our our uh"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "first box hole there. I was able to"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "stand on the same spot that I was able"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "to."}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": ">> It look the same."}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> Did it look the same?"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "No, looks different."}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:54", "text": ">> Green had more green to it and stuff,"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "you know, kind of stuff, but uh but it"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "was there"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "it was just so real on seeing those"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "those uh areas that we came in on."}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "Then when we got up there before, this"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "before and we released the prisoners"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "on it and the prisoners would come out"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "like that and shake our hands and"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "now if you want to see what freedom"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "looks like,"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "you look into the eyes of those who"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "survived it."}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "they were treated so horribly,"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "but the look in their eyes on it when"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "they hugged you"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "pull away from you. Look down into the"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "especially on the little fellas"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "and you see their eyes and it it"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "reflects"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "hope"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "freedom from"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "tyranny"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "and everything."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "They had furnished us"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "uh a hotel on Hilton Hilton Hotel on we"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "were on the 12th floor"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "and Marvin"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "our photographer"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "was there."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "They came over to our room"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "and they woke me up."}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "He says, \"Frank, I want you to see"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "this.\""}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "So Marvin pulled me out on the on the uh"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "patio deck out there"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "and see the sunrise"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "and see the sunrise on there just"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "they were just out of this world on it"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "and it"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "started making me"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "talk"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "and say what was in my heart."}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "so I gave a little speech there."}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "I standed in my shorts."}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "They were still filming me."}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "But I looked over this side and there's"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "two dogs down"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "on the bottom of the"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "They were just standing there just"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "sitting there on their honches"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "looking up toward me"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "and and I was talking"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "and I could see this beautiful sense"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "sunrise."}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "And a"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "flock of butterflies"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "came up from underneath the"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "balcony where I was standing and started"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "coming up as a as a flock"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "up right in front of me."}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "what do you think that was?"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:09", "text": ">> Just like they were standing there"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "listening to me."}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "I said, \"You can't photograph that"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "feeling.\""}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "But it was so real."}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "And seeing those"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "butterflies"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "as a group."}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "They flew up"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "right in front of us"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "and they got it on film, I think. And"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "they just disappeared"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "and there"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "below there was two dogs. I"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "and I just I I I"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "just got carried away on it and"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:10", "text": ">> it was emotional."}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:10", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh to God it was."}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "Then later on"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "we're in the parade. I was a leading"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "parade and the governor came down to the"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "parade and"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "she stopped the parade"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "came over and shook hands with me and he"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "thanked me for coming over and all that."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "And that thing of butterflies"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "flew"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "right in front of me and her and the"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "flew there and then they"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "they disappeared"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "she said something. She presented me"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "with uh a a t-shirt"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "that she called me Liberator Frank"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "and they shook hands with me and"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "went off was going to have another"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "meeting later on on it. But to go back"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "go back into the past"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "and seeing all those people"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "that were had been in prison"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "and the"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "nicest it is that the Gadians show"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "showed."}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "Especially the Shamaros."}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "They're great people. They the the"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "Shimaros used to get over us and they'd"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "bring a war canoe over and take a squad"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "of us back in the back"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "jungle way back there. And that's when"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "we saw those"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:13", "text": "those uh places where they had head"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "hunters and stuff. And then we'd get a"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "little bit further on deeper and deeper"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "and and we'd come across"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "places that they could smell the food"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "that the Japs were building that the"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "back they weren't building. Jeep's head"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "going back and further back on it and"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "they pulled it in,"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "let the guys out."}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "We all went out in there and looking for"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "those people that were that were"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "the chefs that were uh cooking that meat"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "or whatever it was that they were"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "cooking on it. The Shamaros could smell"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "it more so than we"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": ">> You went looking for them. Yeah, we were"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "we were they were really looking for"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "those hold outs that were back there in"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "the back"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "and it uh we could hear them"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "more so when they would yell at each"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "other to"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "that we were coming or something."}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:30", "text": ">> Did you find them?"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "We found found a lot"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "Japanese that had committed Harry Kerry."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:42", "text": ">> What is Harry Kerry?"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": ">> Or what do they call it? Uh"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "selfdestruct"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "they call it on it"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> with the sword. and he"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "uh and they have a ritual that they go"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "through to stick a dog in their stomach"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "and uh they can't face it."}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "They can't face defeat. They can't face"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "what we were doing."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "It's uh"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> Have you seen them?"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:15", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:18", "text": ">> Do it."}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:21", "text": ">> No. No. And I did not not see them. I"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "didn't see the what the results was."}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": ">> We saw it afterwards."}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Cuz when we come through there on"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "it, we see a lot of a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "especially the officers on it. Their"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "hands would be still clutched to their"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "uh sword. And that's that's if if some"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "officer hadn't gone by there first and"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "and taken the dagger out and use it for"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "a souvenir"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "and they usually"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "the officers usually got the better part"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:07", "text": "of it. But I wanted to I wanted to let"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "the audience know"}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "uh that"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "Freedom"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "something other than just plain words."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "You look at their eyes and you see it,"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "then you know what freedom is"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "and what it looks like."}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "Have you ever heard the"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "the saying"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "freedom those who fought for it has a"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "flavor of the protected will never know."}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "That's a good saying."}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "I never heard it before, but that's a"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "good saying, huh?"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:59:00", "text": ">> Do you remember?"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:02", "text": ">> Yeah. We trained I think it was eight"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "months"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "from the time that uh that we were"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "through with Guam. First it was uh"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "we got a a little flack and stuff and"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "bombs and uh took uh and uh different"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "kind of ammunition thrown at us at at"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "our landing that we had not been forced"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "with before"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "and we didn't face it."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "Now now this is entirely different. The"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "landing was different. Everything was"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "different. The the uh ground cover was"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "you couldn't walk on it hardly because"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "of the it was full of uh more like"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "little little rocks, small rocks. and"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "and we headed for a place that we could"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "stand"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "and hide"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "and out of sight of from the guys that"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "were on lookout."}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "This little building up on the right had"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "uh a lot of cans and stuff like that."}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "And I told told the new recruits I had"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "two new recruits with me. one uh was a"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "ba arman yan was a scout"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "and he joined my group my group. I told"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "the guy, I said, \"When you get off,\" I"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "says, \"Get off on the left side."}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "You're that building up there's a"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "spotter and it's got a gun on there and"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "he can shoot you."}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "Use the uh"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "LST or the Hagens boat, whichever one"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "you're on,"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "use it as a protection. get it off on"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "the other side. And two of the guys,"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "they got scared. The first thing they"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "did, they jumped up on the right hand"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "side and they got shot. Both of them and"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "both of them got shot in the legs."}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "Thank goodness we had our"}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "medical people."}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:33", "text": ">> They were able to get them. that they"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "would jump off also and bandage them up"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "at that time and tell them to wait here"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "on get undercover."}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "So they stayed there and"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "evidently they did uh survive because I"}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "didn't see them anymore. So they but"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "they did survive."}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "We were there."}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "We started moving all those rocks and"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "boulders really on it. And"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:06", "text": ">> where did you go after you landed on the"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "beach?"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:16", "text": ">> In there and had had a good spot for it,"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "but I uh I got hit in the head"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "with something. I don't know if it was a"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "shell or"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "or what, but I got got knocked out. I"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "heard a lot of yelling and hollering and"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "hooping and stuff like that and and that"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "woke me up. Came out of my stuper, I"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:45", "text": "guess. And"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "that was on 20 the 23rd of"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "February."}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "That's when they raised the flag up on"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "me with Jim. I got up in time to see it."}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "The second flag. I didn't see the first"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "flag. The second flag."}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": ">> You were able to see it."}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:10", "text": ">> Say we thought that the war was over."}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:13", "text": "They We won. The flag went up. We won."}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "All that. The jets did the same thing."}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "They thought that they had won."}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "And they were hooping in Harlem because"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "that was"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "their troops up on the hill and oh god"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "28th Marines were had were up on a hill."}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "They the ones that actually did the"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "racing when the 28"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "of the fifth marine."}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "And then we got ready to go as we were"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "going then"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:59", "text": "further on up the ridge there. Well,"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "then the Japs realized that it was our"}, {"start": "01:03:59", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "troops up on the hill"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "that were raising the flag, not them."}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "And so they all started running back"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "into their caves and and to their"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "places that they were hi had been hiding"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "before."}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "And we of course followed as much as we"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "could."}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "There's a several"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "uh people"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "going off on their own with the flame"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "flamethrower."}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:38", "text": ">> Did you ever go off on your own?"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> No. No."}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "No. I I always"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "followed my scout. My scout's job was to"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "locate them first."}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "And so I gave him a person's a job"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "then he did it. So and I knew that he"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "would have done it. So I didn't my BA"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "arman"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "was the same way on it. I gave him a job"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "to do. He did it and he did it right. He"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "was the best BARNA I think in the 21st"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "Marines."}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "My opinion"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": ">> when you were knocked unconscious when"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "you got knocked out."}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:33", "text": ">> Yes. I"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:34", "text": ">> did you take another helmet?"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:38", "text": ">> That was something. I don't know what it"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "was. if it was a round"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "or if it was a piece of rock boulder or"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "something like that cuz they were they"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "were throwing uh"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "different type of ammo at us at that"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "time when we were we were all in a big"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "hole big uh kind of hole I guess you"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "would could be called and"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "Did you lose your helmet?"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:10", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:11", "text": ">> you did."}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Knocked knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "knock knock knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "knock knock knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "knock knock knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "knock knock knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "knock knock knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "knock knock knock knock knock knock"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "knocked my helmet off naturally"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "but that was I got a helmet and"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "I had uh"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:31", "text": ">> Did you get a new helmet? H yeah from"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "all the equipment all over the place"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "dead guys and stuff. So I don't know"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "what it was or whose it was or anything."}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:41", "text": ">> you just picked one up?"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:44", "text": ">> Yeah. I just picked it up and fit."}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "That's where it stayed. I didn't didn't"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "need it at any other time on it too. So"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "but uh"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "but I fought with my hands a lot. You"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "fought with your hands."}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": ">> In Eoima specifically."}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Same thing."}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> It was that close."}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:09", "text": ">> It's really uh"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "habit"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "getting to the point. It's just a habit"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "to do. Like some guys get they lead with"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "your lift"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:22", "text": "or whatever. You know, it's a habit to"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "getting into"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "when you're doing something that works"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "the first time you try it again."}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "But I didn't get a chance to do that on"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "evil."}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "How close were you?"}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "Well, we were the fifth I think"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "the fifth time to take that hill. five"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "times."}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:55", "text": ">> Yeah, I think it was the fifth time on"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "it. Going up there and we'd go up there"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "and we'd fight and like that and then"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "the order would be to retreat. So we"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "retreat, go down, go back down there and"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:13", "text": "that would be on um the third the second"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "2nd of March"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "and uh that's where"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "Chris Pratt is back as James Ree in the"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "prime original series The Terminal List"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "season 2 based on Jack Carr's True"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "Believer. The season picks up 9 months"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "after Ree finishes his vendetta. He's"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "hiding out in Mosamb beek when the CIA"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "pulls him back in for one final mission."}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "Track down the terrorist behind a wave"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "of attacks across the West. That mission"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "takes him through Africa, the Middle"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "East, and Europe. And along the way, he"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "reconnects with brothers he thought he'd"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "left behind. But here's what I respect"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "about this series. They've brought in"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "people who actually live that life to"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "help tell the story. 17 military"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "veterans worked on this season, both in"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "front of and behind the camera. Jack"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "Carr and former Navy Seal Ray Mendoza"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "were part of that team with veterans"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "working as writers, directors, technical"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "adviserss, and cast members. That"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "matters, especially when telling a story"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "about service, and the people who carry"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "that experience with them. There's"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "plenty of action, but what's at the"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:29", "text": "center of it is loyalty, sacrifice,"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "family, and that bond with the guys you"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "served alongside. That doesn't go away"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "because your service ends. Watch The"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "Terminal List season two on October 21st"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "only on Prime."}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:46", "text": ">> Did you get shot in Eroima?"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:51", "text": ">> Where?"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:55", "text": ">> I got I got machine gun across my chest."}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "The guy that shot me, he he ran back"}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "into his"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "pillbox,"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "got a hold of the a Namboo 25,"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "25 caliber, and just as I was coming"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "over the hill, I had two Corman behind"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "me, and we were carrying uh ammo, extra"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "ammo for the BARN."}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "And just as I came over the hill, then"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "the guy that ran into the into the uh"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "pillbox,"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "he grabbed it and opened fire. He fired"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:45", "text": "the first round"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "across my chest."}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:52", "text": "The first two rounds went together"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "on it and went through my"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "upper right hand side chest went through"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "cracked my pavricle"}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "crossed my lungs."}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "It came out on my left side"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "on it. left a big hole in my left side"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "on it as it as the rounds went through"}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:27", "text": "on it. And as it came out, I I had"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "raised my arm up to to fire and they"}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "did. And the rounds went both rounds"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:38", "text": "went through the muscle of my left arm"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "took all the muscle out of my left arm"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "went someplace."}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "Uh, and then then I went down and as I"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "went down the two corman behind me had"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "grabbed a hold of my my pack straps and"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "they pulled me back and then one of them"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "pulled me down into a shell hole right"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "below"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "where I had just come from."}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:12", "text": "I was there for"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:17", "text": "oh not too long but then about that time"}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "well then here comes McCoy who was my BA"}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "arman"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "he had a hang grenade that had gone off"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "in the his back toward his back and the"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "hang grenade"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "uh threw out a lot of shells on"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "and they rip root shade off of his back"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "end"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "and he had uh"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "god I don't know 100 or so maybe uh from"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "uh from all these"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:56", "text": ">> wounds"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:59", "text": ">> missiles that came from that hand"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "grenade into his uh to his back"}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:05", "text": ">> the shrapnel"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:08", "text": ">> he was shrapnel type and"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "he came. And so they told him and guided"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "him down into the shell hole where I"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "was. And"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:19", "text": "when we're in while we're in there,"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "where they Jeffs were up on top of the"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "hill dropping off hang grenades and"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "stuff like that into the shell hole on"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "him."}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "About that time he was coming down."}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "He said,"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:40", "text": "he said, \"Right, you know, this is God"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "could get hurt down here. Can you walk?\""}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "I say, \"Yes, I can walk, but I have to"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "have someone hold on to me.\""}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "And he said, he said, \"But let's walk.\""}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "So, we'll go back to the aid station on"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "it cuz I got a"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "whole bunch of holes in my back."}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:06", "text": "So I grabbed hold of one of his arms and"}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "we started back walking back and we went"}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "going back to the aid third the third"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "division aid station"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "which was just on the other side of uh"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "airfield number two when we saw about"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "that time I saw a airplane coming down"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "over there right above us"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "and boy that thing is big."}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "It didn't land but it was big"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "and so they it went on to another"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "another field which was number one"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "field. We had passed"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "number two already."}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:57", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "we did that on a quarry across the field"}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "airfield number two. I led"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:10", "text": "I didn't my my me and my squad led the"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "21st Marines across airfield number two"}, {"start": "01:15:10", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "to until we came to the"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "uh sulfur pits. the sulfur pits on the"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "on the way side of the of airfield"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "number two. And we were that's where we"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "got into a little trouble with uh a lot"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "of pill boxes there just on the other"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "side because we had been chasing them"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "all across the airfield."}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:49", "text": "Finally caught up with them here. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:53", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:15:49", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "we had one hell of a big fight there."}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "Finally, we we cleaned them out."}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:00", "text": ">> How did you clean them out?"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:05", "text": ">> Oh, no. We cleaned all of the Japs out"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "of out of the air out of the uh"}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "sulfur pits. 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There's only one"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:43", "text": "way of doing it. 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They were using uh"}, {"start": "01:21:15", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "lowowered radios to broadcast"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "what those kids and and and women had"}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "seen on the airfield and stuff."}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:37", "text": ">> How did you leave the Oima?"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:37", "text": ">> It was terrible."}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "Anyway, we cleaned those out"}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "we cleaned the"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "just as we was going off of the"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "off of the hill"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "before we got into the the"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "3 28 382 382 I think it was was when I"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "got shot."}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "Anyway, he"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "we went through that same way"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "and all the women that were killed and"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "stuff and"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "I think"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "my own opinion"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "on it,"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "Japanese used the"}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "women as they called them comfort girls."}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "I think after we took two of those"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "hills,"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "I think our"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:03", "text": "officers, head officers took them as"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "comfort girls, too. that that's the"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "reason that"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "that's one of the reasons put it that"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "way"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "that that we had to do what they call"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "clearcut."}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "They wanted them dead as well."}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "That's not and that wasn't a good thing."}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "But later on in life,"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:44", "text": "which is the Japanese have"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "apologized"}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "for kidnapping all the guys"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "and and stuff."}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "They've apologized"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "for"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "getting all those boys and stuff,"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "kidnapping them and the women,"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "but they have not,"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "I repeat, they have not apologized"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:26", "text": "for kidnapping the women"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:26", "text": "to use as comfort girls."}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "That's still on the docket."}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:33", "text": "They've apologized"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "now"}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "for"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "just the boys"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "and and the men that they"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "used for"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "spies or reports or whatever you want to"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:56", "text": "call it plus the other things. 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I got laid down on"}, {"start": "01:31:43", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "the hospital ship deck"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "waiting for my my time to go into the"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "surgery room."}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "And there's two doctors in the surgery"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "room."}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:09", "text": "I got when I got in, they"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "they looked at my arm"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "and that was really the only thing that"}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "was showing too much was my arm cuz it"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "had all the all the muscle was gone. It"}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "was all shot out."}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "And so one doctor said, \"Well, we're"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "going to have to"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "take it off and"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "we'll uh he can use it better with the"}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "artificial arm and"}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "that woke me up.\""}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "he started"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "grabbing for the saw to cut my arm off."}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "About that time I woke up real good and"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "I"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "I"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "gave him a right cut to him through his"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "throat. I was going to kill it."}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:20", "text": "Kill him. and"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "he jumped back and I hit him and knocked"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "him across the room,"}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "knocked over the surgical tray."}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:32", "text": "About that time, two guards came in."}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "They"}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "got a hold of me on both sides and"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "they started not I kept yelling, \"You're"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "not going to cut it. You're not going to"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "cut it.\" So finally he he said that's"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "ours"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "carpal or whatever it was at that time"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "and he says we won't cut your arm off"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "and so that just solve calm me down a"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "little bit and so"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "I thought it was pretty good that way"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "bandage the rest of my chest up"}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "I had"}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "still had my clever cold that was still"}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "bleeding I guess."}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:41", "text": "Anyway, put me back on the on the"}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "on the gurnie and uh"}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:51", "text": "put me back out with the guy. So, I"}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "figured, well, that's takes care of"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "that. About that time, I looked at my"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:00", "text": "tag,"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "say, \"Whenever you get wounded or"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:06", "text": "something like that in a"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:06", "text": "a"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:10", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "Corman takes care of you. He puts down"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "what he did."}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:22", "text": "you know, you gave him a shot of"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "morphine or two or whatever it was and"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "bandaged it up and all that"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "and then that way the next person that's"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:34", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "sees you well they know they can just"}, {"start": "01:35:34", "end": "01:35:39", "text": "look at that and see what what it is and"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "what's happened so and what they did so"}, {"start": "01:35:39", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "you don't get over overmedicated."}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "So, I looked at it and medicated. I"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "looked at my tag"}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "and I thought I was going to see GSW's"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "gunshot wound."}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "Right chest and left chest,"}, {"start": "01:36:02", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "but all it said was combat fatigue. That"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "was it."}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "I said, \"Well, hell, that's that"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:23", "text": "shouldn't be, you know.\" Anyway,"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:26", "text": "four other doctor four other hospitals"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "that put me back on the hospital ship"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "and I went back over to Saipan. I went"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "to uh"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:39", "text": "another another place and then finally"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "went over to Honolulu"}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "on army doctor."}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "But they all they would do they take me"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:51", "text": "off"}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:54", "text": "my journey and put me on the deck and"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:56", "text": "then they'd uh"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:37:00", "text": "look at my card."}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "And this is combat potato. Well, move"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:07", "text": "him over there with the other nuts."}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "And they pick me up, put me over there"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "with them."}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:15", "text": "And I did with four different four other"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "different"}, {"start": "01:37:15", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "hospitals"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "that didn't"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "ask me or anything. They just look at"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "the card. And that's what it said."}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:31", "text": "Combat fatigue."}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:34", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "they put me in the wrong board. I got"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:43", "text": "into a warn the ward the long wrong the"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "wrong lord"}, {"start": "01:37:43", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "law long"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "lord"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:59", "text": "four or five times."}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "And finally they gave me into the"}, {"start": "01:37:59", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "to the nut ward as they called it. And"}, {"start": "01:38:06", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "the night light went on cuz it was"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "getting dark by that time."}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "And"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:21", "text": "I thought"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "I thought I had been I had peed in bed"}, {"start": "01:38:21", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "or something cuz I was getting laying"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "there. It was getting kind of warm and"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:33", "text": "and liquidy."}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:36", "text": "So I yelled for the"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "night nurse. She came over, pulled the"}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "covers back, and then"}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "saw what was going on. And she put the"}, {"start": "01:38:45", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "covers back on top of me and went in"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "there and got a doctor and came back."}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "And he had said previously that he was"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "going to perform a tap"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "cuz he could with a ste stethoscope he"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:14", "text": "could hear the"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:19", "text": "the uh water or whatever in my chest."}, {"start": "01:39:14", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "So he wanted to perform a tap."}, {"start": "01:39:19", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "Now tap meant that he had to stick after"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:29", "text": "I asked one of the nurses of what it was"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:31", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:39:29", "end": "01:39:35", "text": "he said he stick a needle in your back"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "or your front he went your chest and and"}, {"start": "01:39:35", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "drain all the"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:43", "text": "liquid out of your chest."}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "So I said, \"Well, that would be pretty"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:47", "text": "good. I don't but it would hurt like a"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:50", "text": "hell.\""}, {"start": "01:39:47", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "So anyway,"}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "they came over and they they pulled the"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "covers off of me"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:00", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:06", "text": "I was laying there in blood. I wasn't I"}, {"start": "01:40:00", "end": "01:40:09", "text": "wasn't laying in water or urine."}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "I my chest had"}, {"start": "01:40:09", "end": "01:40:15", "text": "drained out"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:20", "text": "and on uh"}, {"start": "01:40:15", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "and I was laying there in blood from the"}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "from this uh"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "uh shot in the chest in my clavicle or"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "whatever it was and lungs or whatever."}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "they put something in there. They"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "cleaned it off, cleaned it out. He said,"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "\"Well, we won't per perform a tap on"}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "it.\""}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "So he he didn't"}, {"start": "01:40:50", "end": "01:40:57", "text": "but uh"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:57", "text": "no one has checked my chest"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:02", "text": "since I left the redeemer."}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:18", "text": "I have fluid. I have blood I should say."}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:18", "text": "in my stool"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "I keep trying to tell me tell that ain't"}, {"start": "01:41:26", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "anything anything but blood check it no"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "one would listen to me they still"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "haven't listened to him I was in two"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "weeks ago and they they all they say oh"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "you have you have"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "blood in your stool."}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:56", "text": "I says, \"Damn it, look at my chest.\""}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:59", "text": "Well, that's another department. So, I'm"}, {"start": "01:41:56", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "still sitting there with"}, {"start": "01:41:59", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "I have to wear a diaper"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:07", "text": "because of that. All right. I still got"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:12", "text": "blood in my stool."}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:12", "text": "I said, \"Why don't they check my chest?"}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:20", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "that's where I'm sitting there. I still"}, {"start": "01:42:20", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "got far as and of course that the"}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "breakdown I had in"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "and before I went in for the final one."}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "There's another thing too there."}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:42", "text": ">> Frank,"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:42", "text": ">> want a drink?"}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "Thank you. Let's take a drink."}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:52", "text": "J,"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "do you have a message for young Marines"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "today?"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "Well, I"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:07", "text": "the last time I talked to the young"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:07", "text": "Marines,"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "it was with"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "one one time out."}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:17", "text": ">> Do you"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:19", "text": ">> I was in the air airfield"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:25", "text": "office"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "now and waiting to go about board plane"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "and there's a lot of young"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "kids that came over"}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:38", "text": "and we were all standing in the line out"}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:43", "text": "there. Our commander was taking them to"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:46", "text": "the place and I told him I says"}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "one thing remember"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "always"}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "do what your DI or your trainer is doing"}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:44:00", "text": "for you."}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "They've been there."}, {"start": "01:44:00", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "They've done that."}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:14", "text": "Don't put that aside, but remember"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "remember what your DI says on it. I did"}, {"start": "01:44:14", "end": "01:44:22", "text": "that for one reason because I was a"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "drill instructor for six months on my"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "four-year tour."}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "And"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "I wanted them to know that that's what I"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "told my kids."}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "That's what their DI usually tells them."}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "Remember what they said, honey. They"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:47", "text": "train you. They've been there. They know"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:50", "text": "how to handle themselves."}, {"start": "01:44:47", "end": "01:44:52", "text": "Listen to them."}, {"start": "01:44:50", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "Tell that to all of everyone that I've"}, {"start": "01:44:52", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "seen so far."}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:01", "text": ">> What message do you have for Marines"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "that are seeking help? Then what?"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:07", "text": ">> Looking for help."}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:09", "text": ">> Well, I'll tell you. Uh"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:12", "text": "there again,"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "listen to the patient."}, {"start": "01:45:12", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "Patient knows his body."}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "I I knew something was wrong, but of"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "course I can't tell that. And And it's"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:30", "text": "hard. And it's hard when you're"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "when you're trying to"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:38", "text": "keep your cool"}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:42", "text": "and then and"}, {"start": "01:45:38", "end": "01:45:45", "text": "tell tell the doctor or officer he's"}, {"start": "01:45:42", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "wrong. You just don't do that in the"}, {"start": "01:45:45", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "Marine Corps."}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:54", "text": ">> I have a quote here from you."}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": ">> What? It says, \"If you need help, seek"}, {"start": "01:45:54", "end": "01:46:00", "text": "it out.\""}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:46:00", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. God. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "Don't take it yourself, son."}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:12", "text": "Seek help. Ask someone. Make a"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "difference who it is, but tell someone"}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "and let them know what you feel and how"}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "you feel."}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "They can tell. Some of them can tell,"}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "but"}, {"start": "01:46:27", "end": "01:46:33", "text": "but tell somebody."}, {"start": "01:46:30", "end": "01:46:36", "text": "Don't do it yourself."}, {"start": "01:46:33", "end": "01:46:39", "text": "God gave you a good body and he's going"}, {"start": "01:46:36", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "to keep it for you."}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:45", "text": ">> Frank, I just want to say it was an"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "honor to interview you and thank you for"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "your service. Seriously, it was it was"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "my honor."}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:53", "text": ">> Thank you, sir."}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:56", "text": ">> Thank you for your service."}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:56", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> You got a greater handshake."}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> God bless."}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> Move on."}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:19", "text": "No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:26", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:30", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. 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We had just gotten out of"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "our bivwack"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "our uh"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "foxholes"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "and I started fighting"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "them as it came down."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> There was 400 of them plus."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Yes. A lot of them. And I"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "I got uh"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "I got one who was a little feisty on it"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "guy and"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "got a hold of him and boy I wish I had"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "known. 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And"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "I as I was going backwards for the live"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "trip, I fell. distance. I fell a"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "Japanese lung and he stuck me in the"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "stomach with his bayonet"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "and I fell down but backwards on it"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "and my"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "neighbor next to me on it, I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "he either shot him"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "or uh"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "or whatever."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "And the jet fell down on top of me."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Well, I was in the dark hole and he fell"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "down on top of me."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "As he fell down, my hand as I fell down,"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "my hand went out and I hit my"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "gung-ho knife that was that I had been"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "using"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "to dig into the dirt."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "I"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "recognized it and I pulled it my hand"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "that I pulled it out and on my"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "swap and then I cut his head, his throat"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "and he started bleeding all over me and"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "all over the place on it."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "And he was a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "He's a little heavy. I could move him."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "I had this"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "hole in my stomach and that was"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "beginning to get sore."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> he stabbed you."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Pardon?"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": ">> Where did the hole in your stomach come"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "from? Did he stab you? Yes. He get"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "stabbed me with his bayonet."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> And you kept fighting"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> in the top part of my stomach like that."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "And as he went down, I turned evidently"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "and it turned the blade turned and it"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "went in on a slant"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "and it"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "hurt."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "But anyway, that's"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "so he just stayed there on there. He of"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "course died"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "laid laid on top of me and"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "we got"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "and I guess the guy"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "that shot him"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "yelled something out"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "out. I don't know what it was."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "Must have been I got him for you, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "Or something like that. He saved you."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, he did. He really did."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "He He either shot him or stabbed him or"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "something. I don't know how it was what"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "it was. But I cut his head off. No, I"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "didn't cut it off. 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And"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> I know I talk a lot about preparedness"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "on this show. Most the time that"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "conversation's about what gun you're"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "carrying, what knife you have, what your"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "EDC is. But here's the reality. People"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "bleed out from injuries they could have"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "survived all the time. And it's not"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "because nobody wanted to help them. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "because nobody had a tourniquet on them"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "when it happened. It's in the truck."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "It's in a kid at home. It's somewhere"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "other than being on your person. And"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "that does nothing for you in a parking"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "lot or out on a trail. That's why if"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "you've been watching this show for a"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "while, you've seen me hand these these"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "tourniquets right here out to guests."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "This is the ETQ Gen 2 from Snake Staff"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Systems, and it's probably the most"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "important thing I carry every day. It's"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "about 65% smaller than a standard"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "tourniquet. 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One warning. I just want"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "to tell you the internet is full of"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "cheap Chinese-made tourniquets and"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "counterfeits. They're on all the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "websites. They're cheap. They look"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "legit. They're not. And this isn't the"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "type of thing you want to gamble with."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "Snake Staff is made in the USA. Get the"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "real thing at snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "They're on Amazon now, too. Get one for"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "yourself and one for the people you"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "love. Again, that's"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> He got me out and saw what it was on it."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "like that. It really wasn't that deep on"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "it because it was as said I I turned"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "just as it I fell on it and he"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "but it was a"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "it was I was more scared than than than"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "I was hurt."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "They called they they pulled me out and"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "of course I had all kinds of blood on me"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "from my blood and his blood."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "I went up there and I yell over there"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "for the corman to come up. the corman"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "would came over and"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "he cleaned me up"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "to see how that it wasn't a a real deep"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "cut."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "And so he put a"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "big piece of tape on it and pulled it"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "together."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "he should have done that the first thing"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "he did. Should have done that. Finally,"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "one of the more experienced guys from"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "the headquarters company came up and"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "and he"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "instructed that guy exactly how you want"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "to slash how you pull the the wound"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "close together and tape it."}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "So that's what I use arrested"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "the day on it. They were guys that were"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "a lot worse than me."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "but I didn't I didn't go down to the"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "headquarters company where they were"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "setting up stuff out for the aid station"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "took care of it. He and he took I talked"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "to him later on and he was in the"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "Raiders."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "talked to him later on and"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "he said in medical terms what it was."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "They pulled it together and pulled the"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "slash just together and put a piece of"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "tape over that. That's how I I stayed"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "and that's why I didn't go in any"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "further than the aid station there."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. And"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "extra generous, head to Apple Podcast"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "and Spotify and leave us a review."}]

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You're not"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "going to cut it.\""}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "finally he"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "he said, \"That's ours.\""}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "Sergeant the corporal"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "or whatever it was at that time."}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "And he says, \"We won't cut your arm"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "off.\""}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "And so, that dissolved"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "calmed me down a little bit and"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "so,"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "I thought it was pretty good that way."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "And I"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "they"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "bandaged the rest of my"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "chest up."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "And then"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "I had"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "still had had my clavicle that was"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "still bleeding, I guess."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> Do you use Bitcoin? I do, and I've been"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "interested in it for a while now. And"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "honestly, it sounds way more complicated"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "than it actually needs to be, and I"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "think that's what keeps people from even"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "trying to understand it. But, the part"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "that interests me is the utility. It's"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "not just something people talk about"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "online. You can send it, move it, hold"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "it, and use it in different ways. That's"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "why I like how Cash App approaches it."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "They make Bitcoin feel a lot more"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "accessible without turning it into some"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "complicated process. A lot of platforms"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "treat Bitcoin like something you just"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "hold. Cash App treats it like money. You"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "can send it instantly with lightning,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "pay at businesses that accept Bitcoin,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "or move it to your own wallet whenever"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "you want. It's flexible, whether you're"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "using it, holding it, or both. And"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "that's what stood out to me. Cash App"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "keeps the experience simple, which"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "matters if you're trying to understand"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "Bitcoin without getting buried in a"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "bunch of unnecessary friction. For a"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "limited time, new customers can get $10"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "added to their balance. Just use code"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "Sean10 when you sign up, and don't"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "forget this part. Send at least $5 to a"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "friend in the first 2 weeks. Terms"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "apply."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> Cash App is a financial services"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "platform, not a bank. Banking services"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "provided by Cash App's bank partners."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Bitcoin services provided by Block Inc."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "Round Up's feature provided by Cash App,"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "a Block Inc. brand. For additional"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "information, see the Bitcoin disclosures"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "at cash.app/legal/podcast."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Anyway, put me back on the"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "on the"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "gurney"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "on the gurney"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "put me back out with the guys, so I"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "figured, well, that"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "takes care of that."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "About that time"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "I looked at my"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "tag."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "See, whenever you get wounded or"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "something like that, and then a beat and"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "a"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "a"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "coroner takes care of you."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "He puts down what he did."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "You know, you gave me a"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "shot of morphine or two or whatever it"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "was, and I bandaged it up and all that."}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "And then that way the next person that's"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "sees you"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "they know they can just look at that and"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "see what"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "what it is and what's happened, so and"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "what they did, so you don't get over"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "over medicated."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "So, I looked at it and it medicated I"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "looked at my tag."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "And I I thought I was going to see GSW,"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "gunshot wound."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "Right chest and left chest."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "But all it said it was combat fatigue."}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "That was it."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "I said, \"Well, hell, that's"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "that shouldn't be, you know.\""}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "Anyway,"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "four other doc- four other hospitals"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "that put me back on a hospital ship"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "and I went back over to Saipan."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "I went to uh"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "another another place and then finally"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "went over to"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "Honolulu"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "on a"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "army doctor on a"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "And most importantly, share this"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "everywhere you possibly can. 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We were just going to play this"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "stalemate game and end up like Korea."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "And that doesn't do anything for the"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "guy's morale. So, you come to a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "guys that have put in a tour, maybe a"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "two tour, some of these guys, u, and you"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "say, \"Okay, here's your ticket home,"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "back to the world. We're going to let"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "you go back to the world.\" That a lot of"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "guys would just get me out of here. You"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "know, I did my time. I I'm ready to go"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "home. And uh here's a guy who's the most"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "terrified Marine I ever saw, I ever met."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "And he tells the lieutenant"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "I ain't going home till all the Marines"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "go home."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> [ __ ] man."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "Well, flash forward. They they put him"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "with my gun team. And that that's a"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "funny story. They put him with my gun"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "team. I"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "I got I got hit again and I was coming"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "back to the unit and they were flying me"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "back from a hospital and uh they tried"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "to land me with the guys and the um the"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "guys uh were under real intense fire."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "They were in a big shootout and so they"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "couldn't get me. The chopper couldn't"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "bring me in and so they they dropped me"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "on an art artillery base and uh so it"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "was all these they were Marines. It was"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "a marine artillery base. Uh one I think"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "they were mostly 105s. They might had"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "some 155s, but um it was this arty base."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "These guys live behind barb wire and"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "bunkers and you know and various grunt"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "units down there in the jungle to keep"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "people away from this arty base. But it"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "still is no picnic. They got hit and"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "stuff. I'm not saying they these guys,"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "but uh but they lived a different life"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "than the grunts out in the bush. And I"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "uh I never saw I never you know if you"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "smoked if you even smoked a cigarette in"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "the bush with the guys I served with"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "you. You you you might get yourself"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "killed. I mean there were some mean"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "people. They might kill you for"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "something, you know. You you're risking"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "their life and everybody's life. So you"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "you just didn't do crap like that, you"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "know. And uh and the idea of smoking"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "pot, you know, I came home and"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "everybody's going, \"Oh, how good was the"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "pot over there?\""}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "I'm going, you've been watching too much"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "TV, bro."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "I don't know. You've been watching the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "Air Force over there or something. I"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "because uh No, there were no pot where I"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "was. And uh so so I land on this arty"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "base and I'm still 18 years old."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "I've never smoked pot."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "I've I don't even I don't even know what"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "it was. If I saw it, I wouldn't even"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "know what it was. So, uh,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "the chopper drops me off with these RD"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "guys. We try to we'll come back and get"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "you, you know, when the heat goes down"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "on your unit. And I say, \"Oh, okay.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "I get off and I'm standing alone. It's"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "like guy in a desert, you know, cuz"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "they're all in their bunkers. So, I I"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "finally I see one of them come out. I"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "think he had a Hawaiian shirt on."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "And he he comes out. He goes, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "Grunt,"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "come on up.\" So I go and I plot over to"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "this bunker. And they go down in and"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "they've got like beads over their bunker"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "and stuff, you know, like a little door."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "And I go down in the bunker and they've"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "got music playing, you know, the armed"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "forces radio networks on and uh and"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "they're drinking. They got they got"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "whiskey and and they're smoking pot."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "They had pot. And uh and they offered me"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "some and I you know, I've never smoked."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "And they said, \"Hey, you might go about"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "back out in the bush and get killed"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "tomorrow, man. At least know what pot"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "tastes like.\""}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Okay. So, so I tried it and uh and then"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "uh I I got stoned. You know, I'm stoned."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "And now now they're they're giving me"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "whiskey, shots of whiskey. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "thinking, now this is a this is a pretty"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "good way to spend the war."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "I think I'll I think I'm just gonna sign"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "up for artillery here."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "Well, about that time,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "I hear this scream. And uh, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "where's that grunt? His ride's here.\""}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "And I go, \"Oh god.\" So, I stagger out of"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "this uh bunker and I I oh no, this is"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "going to be bad. And I get over to this"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "chopper and I'm thinking, \"Oh my god.\""}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "Get in the chopper, you know, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "like hanging out thinking, \"I hope I"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "don't throw up in the chopper.\" and they"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "it's uh they they they lift off and they"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "bring me back to my unit and I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "thinking, well, the shootout's over, you"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "know, they'll drop me in. They're in a"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "perimeter."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "Shootout wasn't over. So they this"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "chopper comes in and there's all kinds"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "of fire and there's bullets smacking"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "through this chopper and they let me out"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "and I'm like I'm I'm half buzzed and I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "standing in the middle of a shootout and"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "the Marines are all firing around the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "perimeter and I'm standing in the open"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "and the gun go GET DOWN YOU IDIOT. YOU"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "KNOW SO I where's my gun to you? He said"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "your gun's over there Clark take over"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "the gun and so I make it back to my gun."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "Well, it was during that firefight"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "that, you know, I I finally had time to"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "square away cuz it went on for a while."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "And uh so they uh I mean that we we had"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "to call in phantoms and they're they're"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "dropping napom."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "Oh jeez. A couple hundred yards outside"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "our perimeter, you know, and I mean it's"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "not a perimeter like a buildup area."}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "We're we're just in an open area, you"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "know. We've behind trees and uh dug some"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "holes, foxholes, you know, and it's uh"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "but we've got a perimeter set up and uh"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "so but about 200 yards out in front of"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "me uh a lot of the fire's coming from"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "and so I got to pinpoint we're calling"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "in Napon man over there and the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "lieutenant tells me so I I show them"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "where where the napon and just the"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "second I open up to show them where it's"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "at. Man, these phantoms rip by I mean"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "you could see the pilots. They're so"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "low, you know, and that sound and and"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "you see these canisters tumbling real"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "slow and then suddenly it all goes up in"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "flames and uh of course, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "Marines were cheering. This is great,"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "you know, and a couple of gooks ran out"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "of it on fire and and so we we shot him"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "and um but this went on for a while,"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "this this big shootout. And uh"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "well later on uh we're not going"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "anywhere. Clearly we're not going"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "anywhere and nobody's coming to save us."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "So we just hunkered down, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "and so uh I uh and choppers can't get"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "in. You know, that chopper almost got"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "shot down. So nobody's coming. So um"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "we've been there. This is going on for"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "hours."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "And Chan Chan and I are behind this"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "fall, this tree that's been knocked"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "down. and we're behind this tree and we"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "got a hold I got and he says, \"So, uh,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "you want some coffee?\""}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "And I I said, \"Oh, man. I really need"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "coffee.\" He says, \"Yeah, you smell like"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "you need coffee.\""}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> And I go, \"Well, it wasn't my fault. It"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "was already guys, you know.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "goes, \"Yeah, all right. Let's just\" So,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "we you break out a C-ration can and we'd"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "take a C-ration can, you know, we had"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "these old C-ration cans. We punched"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "holes in it, and you put a little piece"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "of C4, plastic explosive for those who"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "don't know. So, we put a a piece of C4"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "in the bottom of the can, light it, and"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "uh and and heat your food or so, we"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "heated up some coffee. So, we're sitting"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "back leaning against this tree, and"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "there's there's still lead flying over,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "but there's nothing we could do. And I"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "don't have any targets. Nobody's saying"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "guns up. So, it's like, let's have some"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "coffee. And Chan says something funny,"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "and we were always saying something. I"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "mean, it's, you know, how everybody"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "deals with this crap a different way."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> And, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> usually I'm not pretending humor. We"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "weren't scared or anything any of that"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "kind of crap, but you deal with fear"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "your own way and"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> you know it it's like you can't do"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "anything about it. Like, yeah. So, I"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. So, we're having a cup of"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "coffee and uh and he said something"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "funny to me and I started laughing"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "because I was already I was still kind"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "of out there and the Lieutenant and the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "Gunny hear us over there laughing"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "and then the word gets around the"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "perimeter. Hey, Clark and Chad are"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "having coffee."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "Oh, well, pretty soon,"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "pretty soon the Gunny Gunny McDermott,"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "we called him Gunny Magnet cuz he drew"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "so much lead."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "Gunny Magnet comes sliding in like he's"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "stealing second base. And he's going,"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "\"What the hell are you guys doing?\" You"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "know, and oh, Gunny, we don't have any"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "targets, you know? We're kind of running"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "out of ammo. I thought you're like, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "drunk. I'm high. And now I'm [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "caffeinated. Let's go to war."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "I know I talk a lot about preparedness"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "on this show. Most the time that"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "conversation's about what gun you're"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "carrying, what knife you have, what your"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "EDC is. But here's the reality. People"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "bleed out from injuries they could have"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "survived all the time. And it's not"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "because nobody wanted to help them. It's"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "because nobody had a tourniquet on them"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "when it happened. It's in the truck."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "It's in a kid at home. It's somewhere"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "other than being on your person. And"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "that does nothing for you in a parking"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "lot or out on a trail. That's why if"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "you've been watching this show for a"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "while, you've seen me hand these these"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "tourniquets right here out to guests."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "This is the ETQ Gen 2 from Snake Staff"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Systems, and it's probably the most"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "important thing I carry every day. It's"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "about 65% smaller than a standard"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "tourniquet. It rides in your pocket or"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "on a belt, and you forget it's even"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "there. And because of how it's built, it"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "works on smaller limbs, too. That"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "matters if you've got kids, and it"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "matters if you're out with your dog. I"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "think everybody should carry a"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "tourniquet. A bad bleed can take a life"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "in minutes, faster than any ambulance is"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "getting to you. And the only version of"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "this that actually works is the one"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "that's on you. One warning. I just want"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "to tell you the internet is full of"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "cheap Chinese-made tourniquets and"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "counterfeits. They're on all the"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "websites. They're cheap. They look"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "legit. They're not. And this isn't the"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "type of thing you want to gamble with."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "Snake Staff is made in the USA. Get the"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "real thing at snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "They're on Amazon now, too. Get one for"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "yourself and one for the people you"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "love. Again, that's"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> I just, you know, we wanted to have a"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "cup of coffee and he goes, he goes, \"Oh"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "gosh, you know that he says, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "lieutenant is talking about a section 8"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "for you you guys.\""}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "And I go, \"Oh, man. It's not that bad.\""}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "So, flash forward after all this is"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "over. Here's Unomtock, the the kid"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "that's so terrified."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "And the Gunny and the lieutenant walk"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "him over to us. You know, the shootout's"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "over and they walk him over to me and"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "Chan and they said, \"Listen, uh, we're"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "going to put him in with your gun team.\""}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "Yeah. You need another guy anyway. And"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "of course, a machine gun team is"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "supposed to be five guys. A lot of times"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "it was just me, you know, there were I"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "didn't even have an A gunner sometimes."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "So now we have three guys with this kid,"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "you know, being dropped in. And so that"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "was good news. But once we we realized"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "it was him, we're going, \"Oh god, you"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "know, he's so terrified.\" Um, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "this is going to be rough. But then the"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "lieutenant came and told, he said,"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "\"Look, I'm I'm putting him with you guys"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "to see if you can"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "make him laugh. See if you can chill him"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "out a little bit. Uh, otherwise, I've"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "got to send him home.\""}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "And so Chan and I"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "took him in and tried to mother him a"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "little bit and uh started giving him"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "Bible passages and we uh started"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "teaching him the Bible a little bit."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "Well, I we gave him a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "uh there's a verse in there. I think"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "it's out of Romans. I think it's Romans"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "8. I I um this is where I get mad at"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "myself. I should know these verses. And"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "normally I do. I just a little excited"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "about being on the show and stuff. But"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "uh anyway, was that Romans 8 and uh the"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "one about of war and famine and"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "pestilence and all that might rise"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "against you and your parents might your"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "parents might you know uh dump you. But"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "uh but I never will. you know that verse"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "it and uh and I"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "I uh"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "here I got to slow down on the story"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "because I didn't got to be careful what"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "I say about it. But he he had problems"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "when he joined the Marine Corps. One of"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "the reasons he joined the Marine Corps"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "is because evidently his family didn't"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "they they thought it was a joke him"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "trying to be a Marine and uh that he he"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "could never hack it. And uh anyway,"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "yeah, he he he had some issues, but"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "everybody's got issues with their"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "parents. I'm not, you know, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "nailing them, but he felt sort of I"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "think he felt sort of abandoned or"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "something by his family in the in the"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "sense that they didn't support him. I"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "don't know. I don't know all the details"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "and I'm not going to pretend to, but I"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "know he needed that verse."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "And um and we prayed with him and we uh"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "we did what we could, you know, to try"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "to you got to lean on the Lord here. You"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "know, all of us are scared. And he'd"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "say, \"You clowns aren't scared. Do you"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "look at you?\" And oh no. I said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "this is just the way we deal with it.\""}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "He goes, \"Everybody deals with it"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "differently.\" And I go, \"Everybody's"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "scared. It's this guy's dying out here,"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "man. of course we're scared. And we'd"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "tell him, you know, hey, uh, let's just"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "pray about it. Every time you get like"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "that, you know, when we tell him how to"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "pray and and he started getting a little"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "better."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "Well, uh, right before we went into that"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "graveyard, uh, it was a big big"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "operation. It was a place called Dodge"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "City in the Arizona Territory outside of"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Ammo Combat Base. And it was it looked"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "like Arizona. That's why they called it"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "the Arizona Territory, you know. It"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "looked like out in the desert in Arizona"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "kind of looking and uh uh but one part"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "of it was called Dodge City. If you went"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "in there, you were going to be in a"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "shootout. You you always knew it."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "Everybody knew it. Well, we knew when we"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "were doing an OP in Dodge City, we knew"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "we're going to see some crap today. and"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "uh and we did, but they took him out of"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "the our gun team right before that and"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "put him in uh uh Corporal Hudson's uh Hu"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "T S O N Corpal Hudson's uh squad. And uh"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "the next morning we sweep through,"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "battle's over, and uh now we've got"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "artillery coming. We sweep through"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "though, fix bayonets. It's just, you"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "know, and I got no bayonet on that 60."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "So, we sweep across, sweep with bayonets"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "fixed, and they've they've deed him out."}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "So, we we uh but we ended up running"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "into him again later. But, uh they uh"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "we find we find Sunny and I assume he's"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "dead and we roll him over and he's his"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "eyes are swollen shut, you know, like"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "big like he looks like a a raccoon. And"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "uh his eyes suddenly just pop open and"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "he goes, \"Oh my god, you guys won't"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "believe what happened to me last night"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "and he starts telling us this crazy"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "tale.\" And and he had the the gooks had"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "come out and and they came down at him"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "with a with a like a kbar and he thought"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "they were just going to kill him. They"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "were going to finish him off. And they"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "cut off his web gear, cut off all of his"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "gear and took it and then they dragged"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "him up in front of the gun and left him."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "and he said, \"I almost drowned. I was I"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "was doing everything not to drown"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "because the water was rising. There was"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "so much rain.\" And uh he lived. That guy"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "lived. He went on to become a Virginia"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "state senator."}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "Chan went to see him. He went actually"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "went to see the guy in Virginia. He"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "still lives here. Uh not that not that"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "many maybe a couple of years back. So,"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "so T went to see him and he's still"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "alive and well and uh he lived through"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "that night, but here's a guy with all"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "these bullet holes who lives"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "and not very far away was"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "he didn't have we couldn't find a wound"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "on him. Now later uh later years later"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "they told me they did they found a"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "little shrapnel hole but uh they said"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "that didn't kill him you know but he"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "at the time the the corman and Chan"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "who's way more than a corman. He was"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "also handy for that stuff. He was like a"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "doctor. Uh they said that yeah they he"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "died of heart failure. He he literally"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "died of heart failure. Damn."}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "didn't have to be out there. Could have"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "gone home."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. And"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "extra generous, head to Apple Podcast"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "and Spotify and leave us a review."}]

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The importance of not just"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "having Jesus as a savior but as a lord."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "What does that mean man? like Lord of"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "our life. That's a very strong calling."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "You're stripping away some things, man."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> This isn't like I'm just going to feel"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "good now. Like this is serious. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "the spiritual realm"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> is very serious."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> What our eyes see. Our phones are"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "portals. If you want to talk quantum,"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "our phones are portals. We're opening up"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "to the devil every single day when we"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "open our phone up."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "We can see anything across the world now"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "with our phones, man. And what what our"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "eyes see, it's a gateway to our soul."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "You know, the things we see, the things"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "we say, the words that we say to people,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "man, is like it it's impactful. Like one"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "of the first things that God did, he"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "spoke light into existence. He spoke it"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "into existence. And the the vibrations"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "of the words, he said, \"Light be.\""}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "There was all this stuff in existence"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "before he spoke it though, right? He"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "spoke light to happen. So our words are"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "powerful. What we see, what we say, what"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "we do, how we think, it's extremely"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "powerful. It's like being a follower of"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "Jesus is a like it costs the disciples"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "our lives."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> It cost everything. Um, and that's why"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "Jesus does not want lukewarm people. He"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "wants people that are going to say the"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "truth. And we have to evangelize and"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "bring in people into the kingdom. But"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "then from there, that's where the modern"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "church is failing in my opinion"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "because they're afraid to hurt people's"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "feelings."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I don't disagree with you on"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "that at all. What are some things that"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "you've stripped away? You know, you're"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "talking about stripping things away."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Alcohol."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> That was the one of the top things for"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "me. I stopped drinking in 2023. Never"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "touched it since."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> There's a reason they call it spirits."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> I've heard that before. It's a gateway"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "to all other sorts of trash, man. Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "I'm not on social media. I think it"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "opens up demonic portals. Like the devil"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "can work so many different ways to show"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "stuff to your mind."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "Um, so I like I think the devil is"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "always out there trying to devour us"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "like the Bible says,"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> seeking to kill, destroy, to steal. He"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "wants to steal financially from us. Um"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "the impact I think about the impact and"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "burden of even the channel that I run."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "It's a demonic battle. It's a spiritual"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "battle. And the emotional impact of like"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "can I stop this? This is this person's"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "all their money, you know, will I get"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "there in time? But yeah, just even the"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "way I talk, the way I think. Um"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "like trying not to be resentful as a"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "person, trying not to compare, like"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "constantly being compared on the"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "internet and trying not to compare with"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "everybody else."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "um trying to be present like like I've"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "suffered with anxiety and depression in"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "the past and just trying to be a present"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "father and a present human being with"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "people to slow down man like um yeah but"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "like yeah cutting away dude like cutting"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "away alcohol cutting away"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "negativity"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "like that's cutting away Like even the"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "the hit of like people thinking you're"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "great for what you do."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> I just talked about this the praise"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "you go from someone I just I'll give you"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "a little bit of background really"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "quickly like someone who is bullied and"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "picked on. I think we all have our"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "bullied stories"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "and like the words that people say. I I"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "did like a IFS, which is a internal"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "family systems like therapy type thing"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "where you go internally and you're"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "talking with these like parts of you."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "It's very interesting. You should look"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "up IFS sometime. My wife's going to get"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "a kick that I told her I talked about"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "this. But we have stuff that stuck with"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "us, man, from even like childhood that"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "um I'm like as I'm thinking about this,"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "I'm like, \"Wow,"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "I'm doing I'm acting in ways to protect"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "my little three-year-old self, man.\" And"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "or another part of me that was bullied"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "as a kid or whatever or things that"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "people said. I was a six-year-old"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "playing baseball and"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "you know, the impact of even like not"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "even playing in the game because I was"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "too skinny or too young."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "And I'm sitting there almost in tears"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "thinking about that, talking to a"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "therapist because I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "man, that actually the fact that I even"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "remember that. And there's people that"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "have all sorts of things that have"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "happened to them at a young age or"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "growing up that have been so impactful"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "that we never talk about, we shove away,"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "we drink it away."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "And it's like, where are we doing? And"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Jesus came to flip all that on its head"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "and say, \"No, I am here, man. I am here"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "with my arms out. And I want you to come"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "to me and I want you to give me"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "everything. I want you to give it all to"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "me. I died for that. I bled for that."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "For your pain, for everything that you"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "were going to do to me. We did all this"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "stuff to Jesus."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "And he died for that, man."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> It's a beautiful story."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> Sorry for rambling, but no,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> I love these dogs."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Very strong about it."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> I love these dogs, man. You know, like"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "kind of going back to the"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "You know, I think I think what started"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "this conversation was,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> you know, uh being of the people, you"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "know, and and and being like"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> you're so guarded."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Christ maybe wasn't that guarded. And"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "so,"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> you know, how do you find the balance"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "within that? And and so I want to ask,"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "you know, I think about this, too. You"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> yeah. Um, you know what?"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "What is it you actually think people are"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "going to take from you?"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "Have you ever thought about that?"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "You know, I think that like"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "I've always just want to be seen for who"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "I am."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "not for some"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "propped up perfectly edited version"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "of what I do on my YouTube channel."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> I think that's the biggest fear. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "not I don't know if it's fear, but it's"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "it's like you just want to be seen and"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "known for who you like who you are and"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "who I am isn't like"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "like I'm a follower of Jesus. I'm a"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "family man. I'm a I'm a dad. I'm a"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "husband."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "And I just want to have like it almost"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "makes you tear up, man."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "My channel was nothing."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "when I think about what how God has"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "changed my heart"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "and I think for many years my fear was"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "you let people in and like"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "they're going to be disappointed"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "in the past I thought that that who I am"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "actually isn't enough"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "But what Jesus has told me and"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "the work I've been doing even in like"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "therapy and stuff like that is like that"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "it is enough. And and that's why I was"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "telling you earlier that like as long as"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "I'm true to myself of like what I"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "believe in and who I am, then the right"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "people will be my life. And I I feel"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "strongly about that. That's why I tear"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "up about it because I I hurt for my old"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "self that didn't understand. And I hurt"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "for believers and people that are out"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "there seeking truth and they're not"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "finding it. I hurt for people."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "There's a lot of hurt in this world."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> Sorry to get emotional."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> No, it's all good, man."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> But that's me being honest, I guess, you"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> I got this prayer I want to tell you"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "about."}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "that I think might help you."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "You mind if I look it up real quick? I"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "don't have it memorized. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "long."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": ">> It's a Catholic."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": ">> You mean you don't have it memorized?"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> Give me just a sec."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> That's fair."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> See if I can find"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> something I've been working on."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Man, it's funny. I talk about IFS. I did"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "I did this eight hour intensive on IFS"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "and um internal family systems and there"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "was so much crying and I must have like"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "triggered something in there talking"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "about my younger self. Somebody was"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "getting emotional in there."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "It's crazy."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "It's nice to be real though, man."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": ">> It's the only way to be, dude."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> It's so nice to be like real. only way"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "to be. You know, I I see like"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "all these people,"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "you know, that put a facade on their"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "character."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> And then they get trapped into that"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "character."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "it's a prison, dude."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> It's a prison. They could never get out"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "of it. Very few of them get out of it."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": ">> one of my number one things is when I"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "come home and my my kids give me like a"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "king's welcome. I call it the king's"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "welcome and they just run to me. Man,"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "there's nothing better than that."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "No subscriber"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "any of that compares."}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "Do you use Bitcoin? I do and I've been"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "interested in it for a while now. And"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "honestly, it sounds way more complicated"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "than it actually needs to be. And I"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "think that's what keeps people from even"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "trying to understand it. But the part"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "that interests me is the utility. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "not just something people talk about"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "online. You can send it, move it, hold"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "it, and use it in different ways. That's"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "why I like how Cash App approaches it."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "They make Bitcoin feel a lot more"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "accessible without turning it into some"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "complicated process. A lot of platforms"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "treat Bitcoin like something you just"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "hold. Cash App treats it like money. You"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "can send it instantly with Lightning,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "pay at businesses that accept Bitcoin,"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "or move it to your own wallet whenever"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "you want. It's flexible, whether you're"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "using it, holding it, or both. And"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "that's what stood out to me. Cash App"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "keeps the experience simple, which"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "matters if you're trying to understand"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Bitcoin without getting buried in a"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "bunch of unnecessary friction. For a"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "limited time, new customers can get $10"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "added to their balance. Just use code"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "shaun10 when you sign up. And don't"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "forget this part. Send at least $5 to a"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "friend in the first two weeks. Terms"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "apply. Cash App is a financial services"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "platform, not a bank. Banking services"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "provided by Cash App's bank partners."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "Bitcoin services provided by Block Inc."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "Roundups feature provided by Cash App, a"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Block Inc. brand. For additional"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "information, see the Bitcoin disclosures"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "at cash.app/legal/mpodcast."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "I I can read something if that's okay."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> Read it."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> Okay. Um this is one of the things that"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "I um"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "it's in Hebrews. Really quickly, I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "going to read this. Um it's Hebrews"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "chapter 11. Uh I'll read just a couple"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "things really quickly. Now faith is the"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "substance"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "of things hoped for, the evidence of"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "things not seen, or the conviction of"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "things not seen."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "So faith is a substance of things that"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "we hope for. It's the conviction or the"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "evidence of things that we don't even"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "see. Right there, that's like a very"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "interesting verse to think about being"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "able to have conviction about something"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "you don't even see. But your faith is a"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "substance that does something. Your"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "faith is this. It's a it's an assurance."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "It's a substance that goes out and does"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "a work. Um it says here uh in in verse"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "three of Hebrews 11, by faith we"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "understand that the universe was created"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "by the word of God, which the word of"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "God is also Jesus. So that what is seen"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "was not made out of things that are"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "visible."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": ">> So everything we see is made up of"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "something that is not visible to our"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "eye. Mhm. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": ">> And there's so many different ways I"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "could go into that. I just that's one of"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "my foundational verses when I started"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "hearing about quantum physics where all"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "these atoms, these subatomic particles"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "are made up of 99% of nothing. And it's"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "all just these moving electrons that are"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "going around really quickly. And they"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "started doing all these exercises or"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "experiments I guess where they would you"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "know have the the particle sent and then"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "when they observe it it would collapse"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "um then you start thinking about um the"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "quantum entanglement"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": ">> where they would have u they would split"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "atoms or whatever and send them all"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "these years away from each other or"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "distance away and then observe one and"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "then the other one would be observed"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "right away."}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": ">> Crazy."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> Yeah. And then you start to think about"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "Jesus saying,\"I"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "am in the Father as he is in me on on"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "earth as it is in heaven.\" And you're"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "like, \"That's pretty that kind of sounds"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "very similar to something.\""}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": ">> And I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": ">> \"So, some of these things are starting"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "to make sense.\" And anyway, it it goes"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "down a rabbit hole. There's some really"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "cool conversations to be had about that,"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "about quantum, call it quantum faith."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "And um Jesus is really cool, man. He's"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "super cool. when you start to read the"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "Bible through a certain lens. Science"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "did not make this. Jesus made this."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": ">> Anyway, so continue on."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Here here you go. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> I love that, by the way."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "it's a little bit different than the one"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "that I pray, but it's pretty much the"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "same thing. So, we just to recap, you"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "know, we were kind of talking about not"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "worrying about,"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": ">> you know, what people think of you and"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "you want them to know who you are. And"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": ">> I think the thing is like you really"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "shouldn't concern yourself with the"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "thoughts of man at all."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:06", "text": ">> So who really gives a what people"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "think of you?"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> But I get it. And so anyways, like"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> you were talking about demonic attacks"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "and stuff and I kind of brought up this"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "this psychedelic thing that like"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "triggered all this stuff and I've been"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "dealing with it and so and anyways,"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> this is this I'm on like the strict"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "prayer regiment. This is one of the"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "prayers that I say and uh and this is"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "like becoming one of my favorite. It's"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "called the litany of humility."}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> I'm going to close my eyes by the way"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "cuz I want to like kind of see it."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> With my eyes closed if that's okay. So,"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:45", "text": ">> oh Jesus, meek and humble of heart, hear"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "me from the desire of being esteemed."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "Deliver me Jesus. From the desire of"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "being loved, deliver me Jesus. From the"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "desire of being extolled, deliver me,"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "Jesus. From the desire of being honored,"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "being praised, deliver me, Jesus. From"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "the desire of being preferred to others,"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "deliver me, Jesus, from the desire of"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "being consulted. Deliver me, Jesus, from"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "the desire of being approved. Deliver"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "me, Jesus, from the fear of being"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "humiliated. Deliver me, Jesus, from the"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "fear of being despised. Deliver me,"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "Jesus, from the fear of suffering"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "rebukes. Deliver me Jesus from the fear"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "of being calmated. Deliver me Jesus from"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "the fear of being forgotten. Deliver me"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "Jesus from the fear of being ridiculed."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "Deliver me Jesus from the fear of being"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "wronged. Deliver me Jesus from the fear"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "of being suspected. Deliver me Jesus"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "that others may be loved more than I."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Jesus grant me the grace to desire it."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "That others may be esteemed more than I."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Jesus grant me the grace to desire it."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "that in the opinion of the world, others"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "may increase and I may decrease. Jesus,"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "grant me the grace to desire it. That"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "others may be chosen and I set aside."}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "That others may be praised and I"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "unnoticed. Jesus, grant me the grace to"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "desire it. That others may be preferred"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "to me in everything. Jesus, grant me the"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "grace to desire it. that others may"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "become holier than I, provided that I"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "become as holy as I should. Jesus, grant"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "me the grace to desire it."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:29", "text": ">> Amen."}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:30", "text": ">> Amen. That's awesome."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. And"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "extra generous, head to Apple Podcast"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "and Spotify and leave us a review."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "This guy's doing an active scam. Well,"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "there's multiple active scams."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I'll show you just so you have"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "an idea."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> I want you to get ready because now you"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "may have to go outside your house. You"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "may have to drive towards the local"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "branch in order to make a wire transfer."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "So, meanwhile, I'm waiting for the"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "account information. You can get"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "yourself"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> giving buy which means I'm giving like"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "I'm getting the um buy is like bro and"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Hindi."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "one of one of Bank of America branch in"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "order to make a wire transfer because as"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "I told you that it cannot be done"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "online."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> So now I can't leave because I have to"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "stop wire transfer"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> as I told you that create under your"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "name. So it should be a bogus account."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "It could be under somebody else's name."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "It it will be a random name or it will"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "be a random business name. Okay. So it's"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "just that we have to create a make a"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "wire transfer make a false transaction a"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "dummy transaction using your account and"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "once you're ready you can let me know"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "you can put the phone on speaker and you"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "can put the phone"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> so again you're at the end of the scam"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "here so he's already like won her over"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> you don't need your laptop in order to"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "make a wire transfer what you have to do"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "is you"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> I'm going to do is kind of risky"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> either your debit card or"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> so just to let you know um so we can't"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "hear"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "because um he's not routing the call"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "through the computer. He's routing it"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "through he has like a phone with"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "headphones, but we can still hear him"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "because we're tapped into his"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "microphone."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> This box right here, this command"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "prompt, this black one, is where they"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "run like the scam out of. So, what I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "going to do is I'm going to take over"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "his computer live in front of his face"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "and I'm going to try very"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "sneakilish sneakishly, if that's I don't"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "even think that's a word, but I'm going"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "to click on that. And what's going to"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "happen is I'm going to take a picture of"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "the information that I get because it's"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "going to have the victim's"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "um it's going to have the victim's"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "information because they have them put"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "in like their address, their name, their"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "phone number, everything. All right, her"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "name's already that's her name. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "going to risk it anymore. So, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "to go to a site really quickly on my"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "phone. This is the other it's like"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "crazy, but I'm going to go data broker"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "site. I'm going to put that lady's"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "information in. So you have to come up"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "with a positive answer. You have"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Yep. 78 years old from Houston, Texas."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Damn."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> whatever once we have the account,"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> so he's going to just ruin this woman's"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "life."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> Respond to their question accordingly."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> for an example, if we get a temporary"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "account under the name of John Doe, so"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "you can simply say that that person is"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "your friend or family."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": ">> See, he exited out. That's smart of him."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "He exited out of that thing that had her"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "information. get a business then just to"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "make your job easy I will create a false"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "document if you want to I'll just put a"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "information like a dummy document as"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "well for partnership you can tell them"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "that it is because I'm getting a"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "partnership with this form and this and"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "that and then you they will make the"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "wire transfer if they ask you why are"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "you sending this money to John do just"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "tell them yes you're just"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> figure out how to get her information"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> you're lending the funds and you will be"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "getting the funds back soon in one or 2"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "days and if you're if you if we get any"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "company name then you can simply say"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "that you're getting a partnership."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> There's other things that we can do that"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "are a little bit riskier. Okay, here we"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "go. Um"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "he's saying like which"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "so this is the the moneyaunderer guy"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "that they're going to be using. And um"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "I really want to take over this guy's"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "computer really badly. I'm nervous about"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "this. There's three photos here. This"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "could possibly be like a money"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "laundering transaction that happened."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> I'll do that right now. I want you to"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "stay at home."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Uh, that wasn't me."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Unexpected error."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "So, you can kind of imagine like how"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "long this takes because you're sitting"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "here. You can't really intervene. If I"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "don't have the information on the"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "person, I can't do anything yet. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "it's trying to piece it together. Um,"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "I've got I can look up. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "Let me see here. Perfect. So, this is"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "the victim. So, now within a couple"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "minutes, you because of data brokers,"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "[laughter and snorts]"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "we now have the address of the person."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "We have the name, we have the address,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "this is where she is. And we can now"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "send this over to"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "actually pretty quickly. No, that's why"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "I couldn't hear anything."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Um I have a guy that's going to"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Okay, he must be working on something."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "All right, I have a victim for you. She"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "is going to bank. So, the other thing"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "that they do um that the scammers give"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "away, so they give away, this would just"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "be confirming. They'll look up uh Bank"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "of America, they'll look up Bitcoin"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "ATMs, and then they'll pretty much give"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "the location of where they're sending"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "the victim to. She is going to Bank of"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "America."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "So instead of me trying to like call her"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "a h 100 times, which I could do that if"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "I can find her phone number, I'll just"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "send law enforcement."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "So this guy will get in contact with"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "some agencies type things, say,"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "and and then they'll dispatch local law"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "enforcement."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Right on."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Yeah. And this guy's Canadian, too."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "I don't know how he knows all these"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "people. He's Canadian law enforcement"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "and he helps us stop a lot of scams,"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "too. So, we have like I have two"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "different routes I can go. I have this"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "guy and then I have some other folks"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> that we got the the big hit on."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Bank of America. So, he's"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "so even so I can show you this really"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "quickly."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "So, let me Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "He's getting kind of paranoid. Oh, he's"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "on her computer clicking around."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "So, now you'll see he's going into her"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "bank account. She's not telling him to"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "do that"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "and he's not even talking. So, she's"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "getting ready. she's getting ready to"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "get her stuff to go out to the bank"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> and he's clicking around on her account"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "without um you know her allowing it."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> So this is one of the biggest problems I"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "would tell your audience that watch um"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "never save your passwords into your"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "browsers. I know it must be really nice"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "to do that but it's not very secure"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "because what these guys bank on all your"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "P see our password saved in there. So"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "now he has access."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Holy [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "Yep."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Okay. So, we're looking at Oh, no."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "All right. 20 Yep. $25,000 wire transfer"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "that's pending. So, we're Okay. Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "Okay. [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "Okay. Wire already sent."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "It's still pending"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "though. Bank of America because this"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Bank of America We'll [clears throat] be"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "able I think we'll be able to stop it"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "pretty quickly actually. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "um yeah, I will make sure to follow up"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "with you guys too, just so like you know"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "that this person was saved"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> because it might take a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> But as you saw on her account, you saw"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "the minus 25,000 wire and it that's how"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "fast this stuff goes, dude. if like"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "I hope we get there in time honestly"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "because she has like 11,000 left in her"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "account if we don't stop it. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "And it looks like he's trying to do"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "another one"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "because he's getting her so he's already"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "gotten her to send one wire and he's"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "trying to get her to go send another"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "one. So that's why he's trying to get"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "another account."}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": ">> 78 years old."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Yep. 78 years old."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "like her house is worth 150,000 and"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "she's wire transferring everything out"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "of her bank account. So, she's going to"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "be broke and not be able to pay her"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "mortgage probably. [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "I know I talk a lot about preparedness"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "on this show. Most of the time that"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "conversation's about what gun you're"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "carrying, what knife you have, what your"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "EDC is. But here's the reality. People"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "bleed out from injuries they could have"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "survived all the time. And it's not"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "because nobody wanted to help them. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "because nobody had a tourniquet on them"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "when it happened. It's in the truck."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "It's in a kid at home. It's somewhere"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "other than being on your person. And"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "that does nothing for you in a parking"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "lot or out on a trail. That's why if"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "you've been watching this show for a"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "while, you've seen me hand these these"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "tourniquets right here out to guests."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "This is the ETQ Gen 2 from Snake Staff"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "Systems, and it's probably the most"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "important thing I carry every day. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "about 65% smaller than a standard"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "tourniquet. It rides in your pocket or"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "on a belt, and you forget it's even"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "there. And because of how it's built, it"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "works on smaller limbs, too. That"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "matters if you've got kids, and it"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "matters if you're out with your dog. I"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "think everybody should carry a"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "tourniquet. A bad bleed can take a life"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "in minutes, faster than any ambulance is"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "getting to you. And the only version of"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "this that actually works is the one"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "that's on you. One warning, I just want"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "to tell you, the internet is full of"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "cheap Chinese-made tourniquets and"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "counterfeits. They're on all the"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "websites. They're cheap. They look"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "legit. They're not. And this isn't the"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "type of thing you want to gamble with."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "Snake Staff is made in the USA. Get the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "real thing at snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "They're on Amazon now, too. Get one for"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "yourself and one for the people you"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "love. Again, that's"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:43", "text": ">> And nobody would have ever seen this."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "would have ever like"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "So, it's crazy. And and the other part"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "that's actually really sad that I'll"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "highlight is um let me make sure that"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "this audio is coming through again."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "yeah, speakers aren't coming through."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "one of the other things I want to"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "highlight is"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "I know when you're not in the seat it"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "doesn't feel as convincing,"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "but for these grandmas and grandpas it's"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "like super convincing for whatever"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "reason. And he's like, \"Yes, ma'am.\" So"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "like go send money one time and then go"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "back to another branch and send more"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "money and they they believe that like"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "it's just very sad."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "So um okay so he's read everything. Um"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "do you need anything else at the moment?"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "I'll click around on his computer"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "actually because I don't really care. um"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "and see if there's like any other"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "details I can get"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "30 30k account."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "Not gonna do Not going to do cash"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "pickup."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "Wire account."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "Oh, that's him. Okay, I'm going to stop."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "If you got a phone number, we'll take"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "it. Otherwise, we're working with the"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "bank to get it stopped."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Um, she is need to break her."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "But that's pretty uh comforting."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "Um they are about to send another wire."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "There's a 25K pending."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "So we've act you've actually got to have"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "a day in the life. I cried. We called"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "scammers. We destroyed their computer."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "And we're saving a victim. Damn."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> So that's"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "that's a day in the life."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": ">> that's sad like how many people that's"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "happening to and [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> I mean it's cool to blow their computers"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "up and and but [ __ ] it's just like how"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "many thousands of people is this"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "actually happening to right now?"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> Who are the ones that we can't get? And"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "what happens to these people when it's,"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "you know what I mean, that that don't"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "get saved?"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": ">> they're broke. Broke,"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": ">> foreclos, their life's ruined."}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": ">> Some have lost their lives from like the"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "ruin of it."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": ">> Can't pay medical bills."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:45", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> Can't can't do anything. And it's not"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "even It's not even 25,000 there. I've"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "seen"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "I've seen millions millions that they"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "just siphon from people's accounts."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "And if we're not there, then nobody's"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "And you see, they used a big bank and"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "she already sent a wire. So that means"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "she already sent one before and she's"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "going to go do it again and nobody's"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "stopping her."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": ">> So damn. Except for she's about to get a"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "knock at her door soon and it's going to"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "be the police."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": ">> So that's really nice."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> It's crazy, man. That's crazy. See"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "seeing like just seeing it live a 70 a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "78-year-old woman"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "like getting ripped off real time like"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "that is just like enrages me."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> These people don't give a [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> They My heart sunk when I saw the wire"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "transfer pending. Like it makes my heart"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "race thinking about it because now the"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "responsibility is on me. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> If I don't stop it."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": ">> And we're going to stop it. But it's"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "crazy that this happens everywhere. This"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "probably happens a h 100 times over"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "today. Man, no matter where you're"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "watching the Shawn Ryan Show from, if"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "you get anything out of this at all,"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "anything, please like, comment, and"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "subscribe. And most importantly, share"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. 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They take a video of me and"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "it looks like I'm in my office and I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "talking to someone and it looks and"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "sounds like me, but it's not."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "So, they're doing this and these are"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "really targeted attacks."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "Just like there's so many parallels"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "between like cybersecurity and like the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "enterprise world that I lived in and"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "scamming."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "Because like for instance, I want to"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "give you an example, um you have someone"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "on LinkedIn for instance that is a"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "cybersecurity I'm a"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "I'm a sock, which is security operations"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "center. I'm a sock engineer for a big"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "company."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "And they will put in all the stuff they"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "use at this huge company."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "I use this tool, I use this tool, I use"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "this tool and I went to Florida State"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "and I love their football team and I"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "love shooting guns and I did that all"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "these things. All this information cuz"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "everybody wants their information out"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "there for whatever reason."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "They want the likes and you know, all"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "that stuff."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "And then a hacker in the enterprise"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "space says, I want to go after that"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "company cuz I want their data. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "going to attack this sock engineer that"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "has told me all the software that they"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "use"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "and all of his specific likes of what he"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "does and stuff."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "So, I'm going to craft something to"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "target and attack this person to be able"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "to gain access to his system, to their"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "network, whatever. And it works a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "times. Hackers will create They call"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "them sandboxes and they will try to"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "create malware and zero-days that will"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "bypass a network firewall or an endpoint"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "security tool."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "Not going to name any names of any"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "security companies or anything like"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "that. Um but just because you have XYZ"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "company doesn't mean you're safe cuz you"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "have the human element and that's what"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "hackers do and that's what scammers do."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "So, now"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "we talk about that where they target"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "attacks on people, same goes for"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "scammers."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "They see all your stuff on social media,"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "all your videos and all these things."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Grandma with her grandchildren. So, now"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "grandma knows that she's got 12"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "grandchildren and all the names of them"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "and what they look like"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "and where they live"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "and all the audio of them. And yeah,"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "it's sick and disgusting. They could"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "take audio of anyone and say, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "gosh, I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "it I'm in trouble. They're about to do"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "something to me.\" and the panicked voice"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "and all this stuff and it's AI. And it's"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "a guy on the other side pretending to be"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "a grandma's daughter and she's in"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "trouble and someone's holding her"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "captive or something and she has to give"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "money to save her daughter. And it's all"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "technology, scammers in another country"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "trying to get you to send them money and"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "a lot of money, too."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "What else?"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": ">> Um so, that's like the That's that like"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "deep faking AI. Um I think there's going"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "to be a lot of like sextortion that's"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "going to be happening in the future."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "Um like teens are not like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "like kids that are on social media and"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "things like that. Um there's been cases"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "of kids losing their taking their lives"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "because they're getting sex extorted for"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "money."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> And that's something we have to figure"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "out really quickly."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Um and there is actual call centers in"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "like Africa"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "that are doing this and there are a few"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "guys that were extradited for the death"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "of a Michigan teenager who took his"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "life. They were extradited to the US and"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "are facing charges for that guy because"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "these scammers they once they get a"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "little bit of hit of money, they will"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "continue on. $300, $500, $1,000. And"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "what they'll do is they'll say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "um you need to take your life"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "because of what you've done because"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "we're going to send this out to"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "everybody unless you send us more"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "money.\" And then you have a teenager"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "that has no money. Where do they go?"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "They're too ashamed to tell their"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "parents."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "That's a whole 'nother conversation. Why"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "are teenagers afraid to talk to their"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "parents anyway?"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "What's going on in our families? What's"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "going on in our households? Where's the"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "faith? Where's community? Where's any of"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "this stuff? We have kids that are"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "running away to technology and they're"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "getting extorted and losing their lives."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Like it's just it's crazy. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "there's that side, there's the grandma"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "scam,"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "there's also like the pig butchering"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "scams. Are you familiar with these?"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> Uh it's literally the name, pig"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "butchering. It's the idea is there's"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "various forms of them, but one I'll tell"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "you is"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "you have someone that is on let's just"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "say Facebook and they see an ad for"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "making money,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "for getting a job."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "They click on the ad and they start"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "talking to someone on WhatsApp."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "They put their information in, someone"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "messages them, and this person's a"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "successful entrepreneur, they're an"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "investor in crypto."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "And they show them the photos of how"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "much money they make and they show their"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "bank accounts and they show the returns"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "and they're like, \"Hey, I could do this"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "I could do with you too.\""}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "Um all you got to start is with this"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "much money."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "And 150 bucks, 100 bucks."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Person that wants to make a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "money because they may not have a bunch."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "They give 150 bucks. That person who's"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "built the rapport, the scammer, built"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "the rapport with the victim."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "\"Oh my gosh, you've made $1,000 on that"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "150 bucks. Look in your Look in this"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "account.\" It's a website that they"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "create and then they spoof it all."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "So that 150 now is a What is it? 1,150."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "And that person's excited. Sometimes"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "they can even take the cash out."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "And then they're like, \"Hey, you should"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "put in some more money.\" So now they"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "feel a little bit more bold and they put"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "in more money. And then that money's"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "made more. And they're like, \"Don't you"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "have more money in your accounts? You"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "This is really hot. Crypto's taken off.\""}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "I was just talking to the sheriff's"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "department"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> uh a couple of months ago here and they"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "were telling me about this exact scam."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "It's going viral in this county."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Yep. It's happening everywhere and"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "people It's people that want to make"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "money fast."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "And then all of a sudden they put"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "everything in and what happens is they"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "freeze the funds, but there is no funds"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "that You're just sending money to"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "someone. And then at the end they're"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "like, \"Listen, to get your $150,000 out"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "that you earned, you've got to give us"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "taxes or whatever.\""}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "They never get the money and then after"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "a while they're like, \"Oh, I've been"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "scammed.\""}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "And it's playing on our like It's not"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "actually greed. It's like people trying"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "to make ends meet."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> And that's pig butchering. But I had a"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "guy I was at the local dump dropping off"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "I feel like I'm such an old man now."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Like"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": ">> But I like find happiness in like going"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "to the dump and like uh res- like, you"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "know, we have like boxes Amazon boxes"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "like recycling them versus like waiting"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "for the trash guy to come. Like I drive"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "to the dump. Like it makes me feel good"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "when my garage is clean and stuff."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "So like I was at the dump and this guy"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "is staring at me and I'm like dropping"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "off boxes. It's not like a place you"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "have conversations."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Like it's not like you and me sitting"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "here like having a talk. Like I'm at the"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "dump. Like there's flies and stuff."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "Like, you know."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "This guy's staring at me and he's like,"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "\"Are you the YouTube guy?\" Whatever. I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "like, \"Yes.\""}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "And he got pig butchering scam,"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "$550,000."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "He lost He lost everything."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": ">> People are willing to lose everything"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "because they're like afraid of missing"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "out on this like whether it's crypto or"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "And they're so easily manipulated by"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "numbers and screens."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> $550,000"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "just gone."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> And And again, this isn't This is like"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "instantly gone. The way that the"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "scammers"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "make people move money, it's instantly"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "gone."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "It's very scary."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "And that's a huge That's where you like"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "you'll see a lot of like Chinese and"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Eastern European"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "scammers. They love playing in that"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "realm."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "Um there's also"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "European scammers that have pretended to"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "be companies like Robinhood and Coinbase"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "and they'll call people up that they"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "know somehow have accounts."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "they'll call up and say there's a"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "problem with their account. And when you"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "start dealing with crypto,"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "man, it goes so fast and"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "I'm not saying it's untraceable, but it"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "goes They're good about moving money,"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "man. Especially when you're using"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "crypto."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> So that Those are some of those. There's"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "also"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "like the romance scam."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Always makes me laugh, man."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Like"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> Do you use Bitcoin? I do. And I've been"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "interested in it for a while now. And"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "honestly, it sounds way more complicated"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "than it actually needs to be. And I"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "think that's what keeps people from even"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "trying to understand it. But the part"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "that interests me is the utility. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "not just something people talk about"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "online. You can send it, move it, hold"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "it, and use it in different ways. That's"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "why I like how Cash App approaches it."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "They make Bitcoin feel a lot more"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "accessible without turning it into some"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "complicated process. A lot of platforms"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "treat Bitcoin like something you just"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "hold. Cash App treats it like money. You"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "can send it instantly with lightning,"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "pay at businesses that accept Bitcoin,"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "or move it to your own wallet whenever"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "you want. It's flexible, whether you're"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "using it, holding it, or both. And"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "that's what stood out to me. Cash App"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "keeps the experience simple, which"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "matters if you're trying to understand"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "Bitcoin without getting buried in a"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "bunch of unnecessary friction. For a"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "limited time, new customers can get $10"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "added to their balance. Just use code"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Sean 10 when you sign up, and don't"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "forget this part. Send at least $5 to a"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "friend in the first 2 weeks. Terms"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "apply. Cash App is a financial services"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "platform, not a bank. Banking services"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "provided by Cash App's bank partners."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "Bitcoin services provided by Block Inc."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Round-ups feature provided by Cash App,"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "a Block Inc. brand. For additional"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "information, see the Bitcoin disclosures"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "at cash.app/legal/podcast."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "We had the landlord of our office"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "building"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "was telling me a story. I won't go too"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "deep on personal of it, but"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "he had a family member that thought she"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "was talking to a country music star"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "and had been sending like, I think it"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "was 150 or 190 thousand dollars to this"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "guy,"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "and buying phones and shipping them, and"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "helping him write a new album."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "And I'm pretty sure the artist was Garth"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "Brooks, by the way."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "I don't think he"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "needs a grandma"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "to seed his next album. You know what I"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "mean?"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "Uh there's also a lady that was in I"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "think she was in France, and"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "she was being romance scammed by Brad"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "Pitt, and she left her husband,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "and had transferred almost a million"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "dollars"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "to Brad Pitt that was in the hospital"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "and they were using AI and sending"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "photos. You might have to look up these"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "photos like the AI photos of Brad Pitt"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "in the hospital and this woman is"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "leaving her husband"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "to and she got a lot of shame for it"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "because it like went viral."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "she was leaving her husband for this guy"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "for Brad Pitt and sending all their"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "money to him."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "But what happens is these scammers they"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": ">> Holy [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> Yeah, they find their victims on"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "Facebook, these lonely people on"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "Facebook, on Instagram and it is not the"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "person on the other side. Who you think"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "you're talking to is not the person,"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "dude. It's like the uh dead internet"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "theory"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "where like the idea that like 99% of the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "internet is just like all bots and like"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "scammers and stuff and it's not real."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "Like people we're talking to in the"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "comments, it's not real."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Dude, I mean I I remember"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": ">> This is a long time This isn't a scam"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "cuz I don't think it's a scam."}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:32", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "I had a really good friend uh and and he"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "would he would like"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "sell all his [ __ ] on Facebook on"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "Marketplace."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> And he would just he would get a picture"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "of some cute girl showing some cleavage"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "or whatever and that would be the"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "profile."}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:51", "text": ">> would sell all his [ __ ] but that would"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "be the profile."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> And so it would always be guys that were"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "buying all this [ __ ] and then he would"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> That's"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> be the one that meets them and they're"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> would he would actually meet them?"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": ">> Yeah, he would he was just selling his"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "[ __ ] He wasn't scamming anybody. I"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "guess he was I guess he was scamming but"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "you know, they they'd they'd go to buy"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "whatever"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "a new couch or I don't know whatever the"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "hell he's selling."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:15", "text": ">> And they'd be like, \"Oh, where's uh"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "Carly?\" They'd be like, \"Oh, that's my"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "sister. Here you go.\""}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": ">> And I'm like, \"Are you kidding me?\""}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": ">> And he was like, \"Yeah, dude.\" He was"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "like, \"Works every time.\""}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> That's marketing though. I mean"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> It's hilarious."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> That I don't think there's anything in"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "the TOS about that."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> I mean, it's I think it's hilarious."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> We live in a again, I know everyone's"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "talked about this, but that speaks to"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "like we live in such a connected world,"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "but like also a disconnected world."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": ">> Mhm. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": ">> Where everybody wants this and I tell"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "like a lot of my"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "I don't have many friends anymore. Like"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "as you get older your friend circle like"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "becomes like one person."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "Cuz you can't like trust anybody, you"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "know?"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:54", "text": ">> Oh, I know."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": ">> It's like"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from,"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "if you get anything out of this at all,"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "anything, please like,"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "comment, and subscribe."}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "And most importantly, share this"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "everywhere you possibly can. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "She might be a little nervous that we"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> You want to just nuke him? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> I just want to let you know this is"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Perogi and Sean Ryan and we're coming"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "after you guys."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> What are you scamming over there?"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Oh my gosh, I'd be scared of that voice."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "All right, so let's just nuke him and"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "see what happens. I've got a scammer"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "it's 1:41 a.m. for him and he has like"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "no battery left on his computer. We've"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "been watching this guy for a little"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "while. Um he's got like his WhatsApp"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "open which he uses to scam and then"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "you'll see this like live calls thing um"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "so in case somebody calls him or"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "whatever. But we've got his audio piped"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "in and in honor of"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "your gummy bears."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "I was in the office talking to one of my"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "guys. I'm like, why don't we put gummy"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "bears all over the screen and like have"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "them like fall from the sky and just"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "destroy this guy's computer, which I"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "it's I know it sounds ridiculous, but"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "like some of the most preposterous"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "endings we do on scammers computers is"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "stuff like this."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> what are what are their what are"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "typically their reactions when they when"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "it starts? Like when they hear you"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "mention crickets and like all kinds of"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "weird sounds, are they like can you hear"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "them?"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> Yeah. At first they don't know what's"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "happening and then the other thing"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "they'll do is like right click on their"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "desktop and hit refresh all the time and"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "then they'll restart the computer but"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "we're still there and then um once they"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "really get hit it's like they'll slam"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "the if it's a laptop they'll slam it"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "down on the ground like slam it shut and"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "then open it back and we're still there."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "We just run it again and keep running"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "it. Uh but this what it's going to do is"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "going to destroy this guy's computer so"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "he can't use it anymore. And so who is"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "this guy?"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> He's a scammer. Let me see where he's"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "out of actually. Um"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "this guy is in actually in Delhi."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "So um Delhi, India. And we've"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "[clears throat] been watching him for a"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "little while, but um he's due for I can"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "go through his files if you want to see"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "some of his files."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> Do you mind if I swing over?"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> Yeah, come on over. Um"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "let me see here. I'm going to pull this"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "guy up really quickly."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> Sounds pretty happy."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> He sounds very happy. He's not going to"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "be very happy soon."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> You're going to call him?"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> We can call him if you want. Or do you"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "want"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": ">> for my Glacier phone?"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": ">> I mean, I have a Google voice if you"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "want. Or you want to use your Glacier"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "phone?"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "Yellow"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "picks up [laughter] though. 606."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> Wait, hold on. Let me see."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Yay."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> 866."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": ">> Hold on. I'm buying a burner note."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Burner. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Scammer payback."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "He's he's at home."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> All right. What's his number?"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Okay. So, it's 866"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> 866"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> 308"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> 4721."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Let's see if he's going to pick up."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "Let's see if it goes through. It should."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Yep, that's us."}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "He's gone."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Come"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> on, pick up guy."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Thank you for calling from my helpline."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Hi. Is um Brian there?"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Sorry. Who's"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Brian?"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Yeah. I just want to let you know this"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "is Perogi and Sean Ryan and we're coming"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "after you guys."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "I would shut down."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": ">> I think"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> now with somebody else cuz some like I"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "was saying some of these guys are work"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "from home."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> So So you can you can just keep calling"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> You want to call them again?"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> She must be a little bit"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> She might be a little nervous that we"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> you want to just nuke him. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> she might be nervous because we just Do"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "you hear them kind of like when I was"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "clicking the mouse on the screen? So,"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "they're sitting there and they just saw"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "me click on the screen."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> Yeah, they do not want to pick up from"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "your number."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> Okay, so now Well, we called them once."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "We called them once, told them to like"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "hang. Oh, here we go."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "So, this is another one of their um they"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "use Ring Central."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> so he's just kind of like clicking"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "around. He's a little bit skeptical of"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "what's happening. And he's not even on a"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "call. He's getting a little bit nervous."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "So, but yeah, they have everything. You"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "can take the whoever called this DID"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "number where it forwards to. They have"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "the recordings. They can download the"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "recordings, everything. It's like a full"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "company."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "See? So, he's"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "doing another call and adding in a"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "caller ID number and saving it. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> all right. So, let's just nuke him and"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "see what happens. I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "there's going to be audio or anything,"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "but if you want to nuke him, all you"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "have to do is type Sean.exe"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "and then"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "space.exe."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> Yep. and then space minus sign like and"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "then Yep. And then type bear"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "and then hit enter."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "Oh my gosh. It you see"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> So his screen right now is freaking out."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "You see it spinning."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Hold on. I'm gonna have a gummy bear in"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "honor of this. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "So he's So the other thing is they're in"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "India. So there's like a big lag. So"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "what"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": ">> we'll be able to"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> He's not seeing anything yet or he's not"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "saying anything yet, but his screen is"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "literally flipping around."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> There was gummy bears that went across."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Oh, now so as this is happening, it's"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "tearing through his like memory, CPU,"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "storage, and it's getting slower and"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "slower. We're doing calculations on the"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "computer and destroying his computer"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "over time."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "So, his computer will be unusable."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> Can you press that window key?"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> I can't believe like"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": ">> it's just spin. You can see like his old"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "desktop behind him. It's just spinning."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay, here we go. So, we're going"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "to be able to talk to this guy for sure."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "Do you use Bitcoin? I do and I've been"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "interested in it for a while now. And"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "honestly, it sounds way more complicated"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "than it actually needs to be. And I"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "think that's what keeps people from even"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "trying to understand it. But the part"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "that interests me is the utility. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "not just something people talk about"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "online. You can send it, move it, hold"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "it, and use it in different ways. That's"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "why I like how Cash Approaches it. They"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "make Bitcoin feel a lot more accessible"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "without turning it into some complicated"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "process. A lot of platforms treat"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Bitcoin like something you just hold."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "Cash App treats it like money. You can"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "send it instantly with Lightning, pay at"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "businesses that accept Bitcoin, or move"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "it to your own wallet whenever you want."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "It's flexible whether you're using it,"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "holding it, or both. And that's what"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "stood out to me. Cash App keeps the"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "experience simple, which matters if"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "you're trying to understand Bitcoin"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "without getting buried in a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "unnecessary friction. For a limited"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "time, new customers can get $10 added to"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "their balance. Just use code shaun10"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "when you sign up. And don't forget this"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "part. Send at least $5 to a friend in"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "the first two weeks. Terms apply. Cash"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "App is a financial services platform,"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "not a bank. Banking services provided by"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "Cash App's bank partners. Bitcoin"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "services provided by Block Inc. Roundups"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "feature provided by Cash App, a block"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "inc brand. For additional information,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "see the Bitcoin disclosures at"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "cash.app/legal/mpodcast"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> again."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Who are we hearing right now? It's like"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "a guy next to him that's scamming. He's"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "just on the phone"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> and they don't see it, but we we've"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "tapped into the microphone so they can"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": ">> And here's more computers, by the way."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "You can see the freaking"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> These are all scammers."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> All scammers right here."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> And this is like a slow day. So you"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "could just sit here and just do"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:59", "text": ">> extreme top of this pain at extreme top."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": ">> So I'm gonna hopefully"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> All right. What happened here?"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:10", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> So now he's"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": ">> your PC ran into a problem. Stop"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "scamming Waron."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> All right. So that's what he's seeing"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "right now. So he came back."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "There he goes."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "That we didn't get I thought the final"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "was going to be that we'd be able to"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "talk to him. Uh we can talk to another"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "guy if you want really quickly."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": ">> Call him first again."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah, for sure. What was the"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "number? I can um I can call them too."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> I'll call him using the Glacier phone."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "They might not be happy with that phone"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "number. You have a Can you like change"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "the numbers around?"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:03", "text": ">> What area code do you want?"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> Uh 678 or 786, I guess. Do 786. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "like [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Oh, wait. He is right here. Wait, is he"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "back on?"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": ">> You want 786?"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Miami, huh?"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> Yeah, that's my my Google voice."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Oh, he is back."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Those ones are all taken."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> Oh, he's back."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": ">> What's DC?"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> Oh gosh. 666. I think"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> that makes sense. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> Once you open it, it will give you two"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "options which get help someone which"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "will ask you to enter the security code"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "from assistance. Let me know once you"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "are ready for the code. I can give it to"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> He's back again. Cancel"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "the security."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:54", "text": ">> Is it asking for food? Enter code."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> Your internet is working slow. This is"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "not your fault."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> No, your internet is going to be working"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "slow."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> Let me know."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> Okay. The code is Amazon in upper case."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> Okay. You ready?"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> What's the number?"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> Oh, shoot. Uh, try"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "Let me see here."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Try 805"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> 805"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> 304"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> 304"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> 4398"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> 4398"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> Thank you for connecting with support"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "David. How can I help you? Hey, David."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "Um, have you had any gummy bears"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "recently?"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> It's perogi. I'm here with Sean."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> How's it going?"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:55", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I'd be scared of that voice."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> What are you scamming over there?"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> What are you scamming over there?"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> How did you got my number?"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> Well, we found it on the internet."}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> How's Delhi?"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "Hey, Sean found out you're in Delhi. Is"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "that true?"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> No, no, no, we are not in Delhi."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": ">> We are in Tampa, Florida."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Okay. How's the weather down"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "there?"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": ">> Let me give you my desk ID."}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:30", "text": ">> Take my desk ID."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> You want me to take your any ID? What if"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "I already have your computer?"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> Are you looking at your computer right"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "now?"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> No. No, I'm not looking at my computer."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "I'm looking in the cell phone that I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "speaking to."}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": ">> Could you look at your computer right"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "now?"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> Well, for that I have to go down."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": ">> Well, you might want to look at your"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "computer right now. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> Let me know when you're looking at it."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> Are you in the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": ">> Are you in the washroom taking a tea?"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "Are you in the washroom taking a tea in"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "your pants?"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "What are you going to do when someone"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "comes to your flat in Delhi?"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": ">> All right, I'll I'll tell you this. If"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "you give me access to five of your"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "friends, I will spare your computer."}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> All right, that sounds like a good idea."}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": ">> you can do that. How?"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "Well, I can just drop you an email. You"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "have an email that I've been dropping"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "for."}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": ">> Yeah. How do I know you're not lying?"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "Because you guys always lie to me."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "And I have Sean Ryan with I have Shawn"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "Ryan with me. You don't want to mess"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "with him. Honestly, you don't want to"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "piss him off."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": ">> Well, you won't have to look too hard."}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:57", "text": ">> Yeah, you're not going to have to look"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "You're not going to have to look too"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "hard, buddy."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": ">> No, dude."}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> No, dude. What's your real name?"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": ">> My real name."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> Proper name"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "Rajaf."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": ">> What's your real name?"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> My real name."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> What is it?"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah, you guys always say that"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "name. I'm not stupid."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "They always do that every time."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "All right, that's it. Sean's going to"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "put the This is your last chance. He's"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "going to run the virus on your computer"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:44", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": ">> we don't need luck. We're watching your"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "screen, guy."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> What am I doing right now?"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> Absolutely nothing. You're looking at"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "Google."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": ">> What is the name of that? Telepsis."}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": ">> Do you know about telepsis?"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:58", "text": ">> Yeah. What's telepsis?"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": ">> Not sure."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Stop playing stupid. Screen"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "connect. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:07", "text": ">> What? What's your screen connect?"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": ">> I'm not computer."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> Oh sh of Of course you're not computer"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "literate."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": ">> Yes. Do you have any"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:19", "text": ">> Do you have anything you want to say to"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "the world? Do you have anything you want"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "to say to the world"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "together?"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": ">> That's right. We're calling from a"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "glacier number that we're going to burn"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "right after this. And I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "destroy your computer in three, two,"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "one."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:48", "text": ">> Have a have a good day."}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:51", "text": ">> Bye, beta. Mapun."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "[laughter] Mapun. Beta."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "Bye, beta. Babu."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": ">> Bye, Babu. I love you, Babu. Oh, Baboo,"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "[laughter] look at your screen. Babu,"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "bye. Bye, Baboo."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "Have a good day, Baboo."}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "I love you, Beta. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "He doesn't know what to say. Look at"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> Well, let me burn the number here."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": ">> Oh, that's so good. Well, um,"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": ">> how did it feel to call SC? I know. How"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "did it feel to call some scammers?"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:21", "text": ">> It feels awesome."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:23", "text": ">> It's really fun."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": ">> Want to do another one?"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": ">> It's fun. It's amazing."}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": ">> And the beautiful thing is this is going"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "to run in like forever on this guy's"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "computer anytime he restarts. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "that's exciting."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. And"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "extra generous, head to Apple Podcast"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "and Spotify and leave us a review."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "I want to talk about this this recent"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "thing you did, the $65 million takedown."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> Can we go into that?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Where do we start?"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> 2019."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "I'll kind of like give you what I"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "started to do at first that led to this"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "if that's okay."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Yeah, that works too."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> So, this this is like from the Susan"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "lady that I was telling you about where"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "I'm like, \"Okay, there's just like"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "grandma on the other side.\""}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "Because what happens is if people aren't"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "aware, um I deal with scammers like in"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "these call centers overseas and they"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "pretend to be like Microsoft for"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "instance or Amazon or some kind of tech"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "company and there's like either a"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "fraudulent charge on your account,"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "something to do with your bank account"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "or you've been hacked and you have to"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "save your money by transferring a bunch"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "of money to these scammers and they"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "pretend to be like the government, they"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "pretend to be the FBI. They pretend to"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "be all these crazy things just to get"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "your money. And I you get to this point,"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "you're on the phone with them for like"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "three or four hours and then they're"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "like, \"Well, you need to send us money."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Like, you need to go take a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "cash out from your bank account, put it"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "into a box, and ship it in the US.\" That"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "happens every day."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> Are you serious?"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Hundreds of thousands of dollars. every"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "single"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> pull their money out of a bank"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> and put it into a box and ship it to"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> they will ship it to um random places"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "and these cells inside of the US. These"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "are foreign criminals that are not legal"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "in the US. They come here for these"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "purposes and they launder money. They're"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "crime organizations that launder money"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "for scammers overseas."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "And some of these can be even tied to"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "like terrorist organizations, I would"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "assume."}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "overseas. And what happens is grandma"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "goes and gets her $50,000 out of her"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "bank account and they they teach her how"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "to lie to the bank. So the bank sits"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "there and says, \"Are you sure you want"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "to take this money out?\" And grandma's"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "like, \"Yeah, I'm sure. I'm renovating my"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "house.\" And meanwhile, the scammer is"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "literally on the phone in her pocket"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "listening to everything. We watch this"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "every single day happen. Holy [ __ ] So"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "they ship they get they get the money"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "out they put it in an envelope and then"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "they put it into a box. They wrap it"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "with aluminum fo or they wrap the"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "envelope with aluminum foil put into a"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "box. They wrap that box with duct tape"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "and they put it into another box and"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "they wrap it with like wrapping paper"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "and then they ship it. And then it's"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "called Havala which is like a money"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "transfer system in these Asian"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "countries."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "And um the Havala person, they open up"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "that usually they're like either staying"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "at an Airbnb or what they'll do is"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "they'll scope out like houses that are"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "for sale that are vacant and they'll"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "have the um they'll they'll have the"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "package sent overnight delivery and it"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "goes to that thing and they snipe it and"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "they grab the box. They open it up and"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "then they take film of it and then they"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "send it to the people overseas. Um and"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "then they'll turn it into Bitcoin or"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "whatever. We've also seen like gold. A"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "lot of times they have the victims buy"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "gold and ship it to their house and then"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "the criminal will drive to the house of"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the victim and pick up the gold."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "Happened to my next door neighbor. The"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "craziest story."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Holy [ __ ] It's it's it's kind of"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "it's a little hard to believe that"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "people fall for Yes."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Empty your bank account. Keep me on the"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "phone while you're emptying it. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Wrap it up in foil, wrap it up in duct"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "tape, make it look like a present, and"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "send it to this location."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> It sounds so crazy. And meanwhile, the"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "guy on the other line has like an Indian"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "accent, and his name is like one of the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "scammers we dealt with, Alex LeBron was"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "his name."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "Alex LeBron."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Alex Lebron with an Indian accent."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "It's so stu. I know it sounds stupid"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "when you talk about this, but these"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "scammers are so good. They have control"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "of the victim's computer. They can lock"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "their computer. They will hold their"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "computer ransom. Just like ransomware"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "attacks, they will lock you out of your"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "computer. They are really They can edit"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "your bank account to make it look like"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "you have zero dollars, to make it look"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "like they put in $100,000. Um, they"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "steal your passwords. They log into your"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "computer when you're not there. They do"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "all sorts of things. And these grandmas"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "and grandpas that are very trusting,"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "they don't verify it with their kids."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "They don't call anyone. Um, we dealt"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "with a stroke victim that we actually"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "drove."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "She had had a stroke the week before."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "She was on the phone with scammers and"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "they had her take out $40,000 and she"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "was driving to a gas station to put the"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "cash into a Bitcoin ATM and she didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "tell her husband anything and they were"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "going to lose all that money. We drove"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "an hour to the Bitcoin ATM because we"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "had eyes and ears on everything and"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "stopped it before it all happened. She"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "had all the cash in her um little"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "envelope and was going to go put it and"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "send it away. And the crazy thing is we"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "went to the bank and I told the bank,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "I'm like, \"Uh, why are you guys letting"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "this lady take out all of her money?\""}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "And the banker got the manager got mad"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "at me and kicked me out"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "for saving someone that they just let"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "get all the money taken out of her"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "account. She was mad at me. Wow."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "I mean, I I am guilty of getting pissed"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "at the banks because it's so like"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": ">> like if you wire money nowadays, it's"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "it's it's it's like"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> it can become an all day event."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Mhm. And they and they"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "I get it. I get it. But man, it's"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "frustrating. Especially when you're"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "busy, you know what I mean? You need to"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "wire money to this whatever. And they're"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "like, \"Well, who who are you wiring it"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "to?"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> This person. How did you meet him? How"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "do you know him? How long have you known"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "them? What's their business?\" And I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "like, \"Holy [ __ ] I just want to wire my"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "own money to this person. Like, quit ask"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "like,"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> \"Yeah, it's your money. You should be"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "able to do whatever you want.\" But I"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "mean, but then, you know, like I said,"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "the thing happened with my chief of"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "staff a month ago or whatever, and I was"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "like, \"Oh shit.\" Like, it is like this"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "is happening all the time. Uh the the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "group in this Well, I know I kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "went on a tangent, but like this uh $65"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "million scam group. Um it originated"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "from like the victim and then, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "they wanted me to send this money. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "I'm like, I'm going to see who's on the"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "other side of this. Like, who's"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "collecting the money every day? I had no"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "idea."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "So, like I had this idea where I was"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "going to send like a camera in a box and"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "like I made this contraption that was"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "like a camera connected to a hotspot and"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "that has internet on it and then I was"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "going to remote into the camera to see"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "who was like opening the, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "package. And"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> the one time I got the notification that"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "somebody was opening it, like um it got"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "confiscated. So, I didn't get to see who"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "it was. it was the police that"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "confiscated it and I guess the address"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "was hot or something. But um it kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "led me I had this curiosity because I"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "was like okay I can still then I started"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "sending people out that are in the scam"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "we call it scam baiting where you bait"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "in the scammers. We started sending"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "people out to these locations and like"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "confronting whoever was on the other"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "side."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "And I'm like this is crazy dude. There's"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "these like random people picking up"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "money and gold bars and all this stuff"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "and it's happening everywhere and"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "they're driving. Like my next door"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "neighbor, I had a guy that I work with"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "in the UK and he text me. He's like, \"Is"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "this your address?\" And first off, I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "like, \"What do you mean? You don't you"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "haven't been to my house? Like, what do"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "you mean this is my address?\" I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "\"That's pretty close.\" And I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "\"How do you know that?\" and he said,"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "\"Well,"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "um, there's a guy that's coming to pick"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "up money like really close to that.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "I was I got in the car and drove and lo"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "and behold, there was like a dude with a"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "New York license plate sitting outside"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "of this grandpa's house two houses down"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "and I'm taking pictures of them and"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "stuff like that and they just have guys"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "driving around the US every like and we"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "see the screens and it's like all the"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "Chinese symbols and stuff and they're on"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "WhatsApp and they're they'll drive for"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "hours to pick up gold, cash, everything."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "Um, and it's I'm telling you, it's"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "happening everywhere, every day. This"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "group had 2,000 victims."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> 2,000 victims in what time frame?"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> Uh, a few years. It the whole thing was"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "like it was like five or six years of"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "investigation. So, it went from one guy"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "to a second guy to five guys to 12 to"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "20. I think the total that were arrested"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "was like 24 or 25 and it was $65 million"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "over a number of years. the main guy"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "that got arrested had like a10"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "or$15 million house in LA"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "living the you know living the life off"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "of scam money because the 65 million is"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "like probably 20%"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "of that's probably what they had 20% of"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "what the actual crimes were because they"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "get a cut of everything. So it's"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "probably way more than that."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> Probably closer to half a billion."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Wow. That's just one group."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> Who? So, who are the majority of these"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "scammers? They're Are they all foreign"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "actors?"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> I know I talk a lot about preparedness"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "on this show. Most the time that"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "conversation's about what gun you're"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "carrying, what knife you have, what your"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "EDC is, but here's the reality. People"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "bleed out from injuries they could have"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "survived all the time. And it's not"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "because nobody wanted to help them. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "because nobody had a tourniquet on them"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "when it happened. It's in the truck."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "It's in a kid at home. It's somewhere"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "other than being on your person. And"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "that does nothing for you in a parking"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "lot or out on a trail. That's why if"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "you've been watching this show for a"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "while, you've seen me hand these these"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "tourniquets right here out to guests."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "This is the ETQ Gen 2 from Snake Staff"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "Systems, and it's probably the most"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "important thing I carry every day. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "about 65% smaller than a standard"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "tourniquet. It rides in your pocket or"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "on a belt, and you forget it's even"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "there. And because of how it's built, it"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "works on smaller limbs, too. That"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "matters if you've got kids, and it"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "matters if you're out with your dog. I"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "think everybody should carry a"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "tourniquet. A bad bleed can take a life"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "in minutes, faster than any ambulance is"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "getting to you. And the only version of"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "this that actually works is the one"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "that's on you. One warning, I just want"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "to tell you, the internet is full of"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "cheap Chinese-made tourniquets and"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "counterfeits. They're on all the"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "websites. They're cheap. They look"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "legit. They're not. And this isn't the"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "type of thing you want to gamble with."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "Snake Staff is made in the USA. Get the"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "real thing at snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "They're on Amazon now, too. Get one for"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "yourself and one for the people you"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "love. Again, that's"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "snakesstaffsystems.com."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": ">> Yes. Um, mostly out of Indian call"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "centers."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": ">> Indian call centers."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> Some Pakistan, some India. You have"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "other scammers that do like the romance"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "ones on like, you know, everyone used to"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "like make fun of like the Nigerian"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "prince, you know? I don't know if you've"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "heard of that one."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> It's like like you get the random email"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "one day and it's like I'm a prince in"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Nigeria and like I have all this money"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "and I need someone to like give it to"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "and I'm going to be giving it to you."}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "And that's how the scam starts. and it's"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "like you're going to be getting all this"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "money um and you have to like either pay"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "taxes or whatever on it. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "the whole thing, but I never really deal"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "with them. But you have scammers out of"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "India and Pakistan we deal with. You"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "have scammers out of um kind of Eastern"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Europe that do more crypto type scams"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "and they have call centers in like"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "countries like Georgia and things like"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "that. There's been some big takedowns."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "And then you have uh guys in like Africa"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "um that do the romance ones and they're"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "pretty good about it. and they also run"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "out of the UK. So, a lot of them will go"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "to UK, they'll go to Turkey, um because"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "a lot it's easier for them to operate, I"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "guess."}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": ">> Um and then you have, I know this sounds"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "crazy as well, you have publishers"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "clearing house scammers that deal out of"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "Jamaica and they pretend to be the"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "publishers clearing house and they"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "target senior citizens and say they've"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "won earnings and they steal money. Those"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "people are pretty crazy, too."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": ">> Wow. So, let's go back to the $65"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "million bust. I mean, so what was your"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "involvement in that?"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": ">> Yeah. So, um, great question. So, I was"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "trying to kind of like paint the picture"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "of like how all this stuff works."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "Um, or at least kind of get to the edge"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "of it here, but essentially these guys,"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "we started sending people physically"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "um, to see who's on the other end of"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "collecting this money."}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "And that kind of got some interest, I"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "guess, from the government cuz they were"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "like, \"Oh, wow. There's actual victims"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "and there are these people going around"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "stealing money from people.\""}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "So, cuz we collect the information of"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "the people when we confront them. So, we"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "had like their ID card and their rental"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "car. You know, they're really good,"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "dude. Like, they stay at Airbnbs, they"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "get rental cars, they have burner"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "phones. They are really good at what"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "they do. this shows a this shows a crime"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "organization to me when you're taking"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "all these steps. This isn't just a"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "random person."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "So, we obviously gave over the"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "information and one person leads to all"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "these others. So, um it started with a"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "phone call. I pretended to be a victim"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "and I went through the scam bait where I"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "baited the scammers in from India and"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "then they reach out to someone here"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "locally in the US and say, \"Hey, there's"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "going to be $50,000 going to this"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "place.\" And then I sent a package. I had"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "the best UPS store guy ever because he"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "knew what I did. And he let me use like"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "fake names and stuff. And we would send"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "packages with like nothing in it. But"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "you had to have a physical package so"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "that they could track it uh through UPS."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "And then the scammers in India, they"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "track this package. They send it to the"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "people here in the US. And then that"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "person is waiting for a package to show"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "up. And then it was us that was there."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "And then one guy leads to a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "them. So"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "after that though, like"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": ">> are these guys dangerous? Like"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": ">> Yeah, that's why I never really went out"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "there myself."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": ">> Gotcha."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": ">> I sent somebody else."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": ">> Yeah, they they're pretty dangerous."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": ">> Were they armed?"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": ">> How do you know that? Any incidents?"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> Um, no. the guys that"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "there's like a initial runners and then"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "they run the cash or the gold to"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "somebody else and one of the guys that"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "we stopped was like, \"Hey, like these"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "guys are in a hotel set up with like"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "guns and all. It's crazy. Like I have to"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "do this. My life is at stake.\" And they"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "like forced him to do it for a couple"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "hundred bucks because they put these"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "like runners out there to collect the"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "money and if they get busted like so be"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "it. you know, the real crime like once"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "is once you kind of peel back the onion"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "and go back a little further, you know."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "So, um it is very dangerous like once"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "you get physical like face to face with"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "somebody that confrontation I work"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "through like the shadows of the"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "computers and the phone and stuff and um"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "but we can set up like"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "again if if a scammer knows a package is"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "going somewhere like"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:07", "text": ">> they're going to go for that money."}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "Yeah. And on the other side now it'll be"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "law enforcement or somebody instead of"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "like a civilian like"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:13", "text": ">> sheesh."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": ">> Who's volunteering? I mean who in who"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "are you getting to volunteer for this?"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": ">> I mean there's other like YouTubers in"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "the space that like will go out and do"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:24", "text": ">> Gotcha."}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:25", "text": ">> For like videos and stuff."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": ">> And just kind of similar to like the"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "like the pedto hunters that will go and"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "confront someone that's there to see a"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "kid."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": ">> We will confront someone to go steal"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "money from grandma. It's very similar."}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "And um the thing though with that is"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "like it's great, but I started to"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "realize like"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "what's the end goal?"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "Like the end goal for me is mass numbers"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "of arrests and victims saved. So, um I"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "never make videos on that on the"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "confrontations. If I get the"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "information, it's going directly to"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "authorities so they can arrest somebody."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. And"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "extra generous, head to Apple Podcast"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "and Spotify and leave us a review."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "What have you seen over in Ukraine? We"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "just talked to this woman, Katarina"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "Schultz, who was talking about"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> cartels."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> Sending people over to Ukraine to learn"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": ">> new tactics, specifically"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:16", "text": ">> drone warfare."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Come back, bring it back there. You saw"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "that, too?"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so fascinating"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "situation that, you know, the serving in"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Ukraine, I call it, it's like a pirate"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "ship. um very little organization and"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "and a whole spectrum of characters"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "showing up. Um I was blessed to be on"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "one team that were almost all Rangers"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "from Third Ranger Battalion, former"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "guys, but that's not usually the case."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "And a lot of the guys that come in, you"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "kind of dig down what their experiences"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "and they play Call of Duty. So, it's a"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "whole spectrum of crazy stuff. And so,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "the Ukrainians try to sort that out. The"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "way they do that, uh, and it's changed a"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "little bit over the years, is you had to"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "go serve in a thing called the"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "International Legion, and it's all the"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "foreigners. Uh, they have a whole"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "battalion of guys from the country of"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "Georgia, a whole battalion of guys from"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "the country of Barus. They have"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "Russians, believe it or not, they have"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "Chetchins. Um, and then they have a lot"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "of Westerners, uh, Brits, Americans,"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "Canadians, French, and then they also"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "have some guys from Latin America. So we"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "had about in one of the battalions of"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "the International Legion, we had about"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "two companies worth, so a couple hundred"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "maybe guys from Latin America. And of"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "course the Ukrainians said they were all"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "Mexicans. Well, it's the two companies"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "of Mexicans. Well, you start talking to"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "them, you find out they're from all over"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Latin America. And a significant"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "proportion of Colombians."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "And at at the very first I didn't think"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "much of that because I knew that, you"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "know, as the insurgency in Colombia had"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "kind of wound down, Colombian army guys"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "were going around the world trying to"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "find work. But now that I've come back"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "and involved in some other things and"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "involved in some things in South America"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "and Colombia trying to help them,"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "some of those guys, those Colombians"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "that were international legion with us,"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "fighting at the front, experiencing"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "drone warfare at the cutting edge of"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "drone warfare"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "were FARC guys, cartel guys, and they"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "have now gone back to Colombia and"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "they're using those skills against,"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "excuse me, against the Colombian"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Is there active drone warfare going on"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "in Colombia?"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> The Colombian government and"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "intelligence services are getting"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "targeted and hit by armed FPVs."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> Oh [ __ ] I did not know that. When did"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "that start happening?"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> I don't know when it started. Um but I I"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "I do know for a fact that it's occurring"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "and I've been involved uh on the"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "periphery from the United States trying"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "to assist for the last 6 to 8 months."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "And Colia, of course, is under the US"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "security assistance, so we're trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "help them. Um, but yeah, they're getting"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "they're getting targeted by armed FPV"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "micro drones, group one drones that are"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "attacking them in their vehicles as the"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "government officials and intelligence"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "guys are rolling around."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> [ __ ] I did not know that."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> What are they using? Are they using"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "explosives in the drones? Yeah, they're"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "they're using uh whatever the whatever"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "level of arament they can provide, be it"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "uh improvised explosives on the that the"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "drone's capable of carrying or uh yeah,"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "so improvised explosives on the drones,"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "but but rigging a micro drone like a"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "Mavic type little quadcopter that has"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "enough juice to carry a couple pounds or"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "whatever it may be of of ordinance and"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "then they fly that. They use the"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "techniques that they learned in Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "and they fly that FPV right into the"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "vehicle and attack uh Colombian"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "government guys."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "Second person I've talked to that's"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "that's reported that I I haven't heard"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "that anywhere else. Nobody else is"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "talking about this. I don't know why."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "um how do you think the war in Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "will end?"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> How many people have been lost? Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "that's uh both of those relatively"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "complex questions and and when I first"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "got there probably like every time I"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "thought ah this will be six months. Now"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "here we are going into the fifth year,"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "close to the fifth year. So I've been"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "wrong quite a bit on trying to predict"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "what President Putin's going to do. But"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "I I do think it distills down to there"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "are some set things that he's put out"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "there and seems to be trying to trying"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "to accomplish. And the first is uh"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "secure the Danbass region. So uh if"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "people aren't familiar with it, there's"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "the southeastern portion of Ukraine is"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "called the Danbass. It's very"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "industrialheavy."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Um he's secured about 90% of it and it's"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "taken them, you know, almost 5 years to"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "do it. Um the Russians are not stupid."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "They do some things technically at the"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "ground level very poorly. They"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "understand academically what they should"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "do, but they have a hard time executing."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "But what they do very well is their"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "strategy is very good and they learn"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "from their mistakes. And I've watched"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "them, we've all watched them evolve from"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "frontal human wave attacks like World"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "War I to now they're doing a little more"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "sophisticated. They they don't have the"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "sophistication to run combined arms"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "teams with tanks like we do or like the"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "Germans did in World War II. They don't."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "And they know that. But they do know"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "they got plenty of manpower to throw at"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "it. And they gradually try to encircle"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "cities, cut the highways in, cut the"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "lines of communication, then that city"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "will eventually fall. And they just keep"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "throwing manpower at it. And they keep"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "moving forward 100 meters at a time. Um,"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "so they have about 95% secured the"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Donbass. I I can't see and again I have"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "no great insight with the Russians and"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "my predictions have been wrong but I"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "can't see them thinking they can do much"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "more than that."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> The third largest city Nepro is just to"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "the west about 60 km. It's taken them 5"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "years to get where they're at. I can't"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "see them trying to go farther. But who"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "but who knows? I I don't know. I think"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "though what they'll do is they'll secure"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "the Donbass, secure those strategic"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "areas that they want. Um, and then try"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "to force the West. I think they're"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "getting some bad signals right now"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "diplomatically, people wanting to make a"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "deal with them and say, \"Hey, how can we"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "make some money together? You know,"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "let's just call a ceasefire and go make"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "money.\" I I think that's very"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "encouraging to them. Um, I don't agree"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "with that approach. Um, and I but I"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "think that that's what they're hoping is"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "that they can get what they want on the"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "ground. They're almost there. and then"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "they'll see what kind of deal they can"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "get. Because two years ago or even a"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "year ago, my hope was that this"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "administration was going to take an"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "extremely hard line with them and punish"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "them economically because the Ukrainians"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "are not going to get their territory"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "back. They're not. And I even saw a"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "proposal now that the Russians want them"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "to withdraw even further. So, it kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "shows you where the Russians think they"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "are from a position of strength. But a"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "year ago, my hope was that we were going"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "to punish Russia to the degree that it"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "made it economically they couldn't"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "continue. They had enough what they want"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "and economically we can't continue. But"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "I'm not I haven't really seen that play"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "out over the last 12 months. And so"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "that's what it's going to take. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "going to take unified economic pressure"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "from Europe and the United States. 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And"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "up to this point, we have not done it."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "The the last administration did one of"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "the worst jobs I've ever seen of"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "military support. Uh just throwing money"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "and throwing our stuff at a problem, not"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "effectively uh supporting the"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "Ukrainians. So, more effective support,"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "but I I I think there's a lot of very"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "viable ways to do that without getting"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "US guys killed."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> Why do you think Trump will be able to"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "unify a front?"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> What makes you think that? I I think as"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "he's demonstrated with like Greenland, I"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "mean that wasn't a pretty picture, but"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "we got what we wanted strategically. And"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "so after 20 years of listening to all"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "these polished politicians and polished"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "generals brief off their PowerPoint"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "slides and accomplishing nothing, I'd"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "rather have kind of a kind of a not so"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "pretty picture, but we've achieved our"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "comp our strategic objective. And we"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "have. We've secured Greenland"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "militarily, which is what we wanted. And"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "I I firmly believe he's the best"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "negotiator in the world. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "not always a pretty picture, but he's"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "the best negotiator in the world."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "There's been some mistakes. There's been"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "some problems, but he is the leader that"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "can force Europe to unify and say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "country X, you're not going to buy"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "natural gas from Russia this year. We're"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "all going to work together. If you do,"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "we're going to punish you economically.\""}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "And he's demonstrated he'll do that. And"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "that's the only way that Putin is going"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "to come to the table. If he finds a"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "loophole and can buy natural gas from"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "somebody, he will. And and Russia,"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "contrary to popular opinion, the Putin"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "administration, they're very comfortable"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "with this war."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> He he takes this almost messianic or"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "almost uh kind of the same view that I"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "take in fighting the Red Army. To him,"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "this is the greatest role he could ever"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "be in to be in a Stalin type role"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "fighting against the Nazis in Ukraine."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:25", "text": ">> To him this is a fantasy. Where will"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Europe buy their energy from?"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> Well, according to the economist, they"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "can buy it from the United States. They"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "can do things more efficiently uh in"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "Europe. So, there's there are some there"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "are some ways to do that. But"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": ">> our gas prices are through the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": ">> Yeah. It's it's horrible. And and you"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "know, if you talk to econom economists,"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": ">> they punish Canada for buying energy"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "from China,"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": ">> right? and they can't buy it from Russia"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "and they can't really get it through the"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "straighter Hermuz,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "where would they get it? Yeah, there's"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "definitely some problems and some issues"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "connected with that. And you know, you"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "talked we talked about the Saudis had"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "built a new pipeline. Well, now the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "Hoodies are interdicting that, so that's"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "off the table. Yeah, there's there's a"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "lot of problems. But if you want the war"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "to in Ukraine to end in any kind of"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "justified way, then it's going to have"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "to be all-in economic pressure on the on"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "Putin. We're not going to win"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "militarily. And I tell the Ukrainians"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "this all the time. It's it's they hate"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "to hear it. You're not going to win"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "militarily. You're not going to get your"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "territory back. You can probably fight"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "in a static way and keep grinding up"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "generations for years and years, but if"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "you can't win militarily, let's end this"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "thing. Let's end the bloodshed. But the"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "only way to do it is to to punish Russia"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "economically. No matter where you're"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "watching the Shawn Ryan Show from, if"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "you get anything out of this at all,"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "anything, please like, comment, and"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "subscribe. And most importantly, share"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. And if"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "you're feeling extra generous, head to"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "Apple Podcast and Spotify and leave us a"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "review."}]

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In June 2026, he's"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "appearing in front of millions of people"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "on the Tucker Carlson podcast, warning"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "about World War II."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> We're really now very close to the uh"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "all out World War II in the most hottest"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "stage [music] and when would be no"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "breaks to stop it. then making frequent"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "appearances on Alex Jones infowar show"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "to speak about the war in Ukraine and"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "NATO as a geopolitical expert and he"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "somehow managed to become an elected"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Russian politician. And the craziest"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "thing is the man whose nickname is the"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "merchant of death now has his sights on"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "even higher office inside the Russian"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "government. This is the story of how a"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Soviet military translator built a"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "massive global arms empire and why he's"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "now suddenly decided to step back into"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "the spotlight. Before his nickname was"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "the Lord of War, before Hollywood made"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "movies about his life, even the very"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "basic details of Victor Bout's childhood"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "are strangely in dispute. But that may"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "be for good reason, as we'll see. His"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Russian passport says that he was born"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "on January 13th, 1967 in Duchon Bay,"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "Tajjikhstan. But Bout himself claimed"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "that he was actually born hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "miles away in Turk Manistan. While at"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "the same time, a South African"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "intelligence report listed him as"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "Ukrainian. Experts would later say that"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "confusion over his birthplace is"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "actually a hallmark sign of being a KGB"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "intelligence officer. Bout described"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "himself as growing up in an ordinary"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Soviet working family. He grew up around"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "a mix of different cultures, religions,"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "and languages, which he said would later"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "inform him in life. He later recalled"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "reading material about Latin America and"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "faroff lands in Africa and Asia and"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "deciding around 8th grade that he wanted"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "to attend the elite Soviet international"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "relations school called Mimo. Some"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "accounts said that he failed to get in,"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "but he later claimed that he lacked the"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "required paperwork from the Communist"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "Party authorities in Tajikhstan and"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "that's why he wasn't able to go. What we"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "know for sure is that at 18 years old,"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Victor Bout in 1985 was then conscripted"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "into the Soviet army where he spent two"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "years serving with an infantry brigade"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "in western Ukraine. After finishing his"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "mandatory service, he got out as a"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "senior sergeant before going to Moscow"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "in 1987. He then applied to Moscow's"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "prestigious Military Institute of"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "Foreign Languages. The school produced"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "military translators, diplomats, and"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "Intelligence Personnel, and experts have"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "described it as actually a major"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "recruiting ground for the Soviet Union's"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "military intelligence service called the"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "GRU. Out always denied steadfastly that"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "he was ever an intelligence officer."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Although a former CIA officer and one of"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "his former associates would later say"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "that he definitely worked for Soviet"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "intelligence. Whatever his exact job"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "was, the Soviet Union at this point was"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "deeply invested in giving a lot of"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "effort into teaching Victor Bout how to"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "communicate with people far away. People"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "who would meet Bout later in life would"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "say that he was this hopeless"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "intellectual who frequently asked you if"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "you'd read some ancient Middle Eastern"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "poetry and then said that you didn't"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "really understand the Middle East if you"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "hadn't read it. He studied Portuguese at"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "the institute and eventually became"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "proficient in just a ridiculous number"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "of languages. Various sources credit him"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "with speaking English, French,"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Portuguese, Persian, and several"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "different African languages. Then the"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "Soviet Union sent Victor Bout to Africa"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "to make use of his language skills as a"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "military translator. He says that in"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "1988 he went there wearing civilian"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "clothes on a cargo aircraft instead of"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "being in uniform. He remembered arriving"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "from Moscow to Mosamb beek and being"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "struck by the completely different"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "colors, sights, and sounds. He traveled"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "from Angola to Mosamb beek with"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "different sets of Soviet advisers. He"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "later recalled that during a posting"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "inside Mosamb beek, insurgents attacked"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "a bridge near where his Soviet group was"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "stationed. Then reinforcements took"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "defensive positions and fought back"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "against the insurgent groups alongside"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "the Mosamb beek troops that placed bout"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "in southern Africa during the final"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "years of the cold war where the Soviet"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "military was deeply involved in"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "supporting allied governments and armed"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "movements with these kind of advisers"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "who were equipped with weapons and"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "different sets of communications"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "equipment. And we'll find out how Victor"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Bout ended up on Tucker Carlson because"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "of that. But first, I want to tell you"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "about Vololo XEZAI drone from DCX"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "Unlimited. 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Enter code Cappy Army for"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "20% off now to see why so many new"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "pilots love it. Now, back to the Lord of"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "War. For a guy who would eventually make"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "a fortune figuring out how to move"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Soviet military hardware around Africa,"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "this was a very useful first job. It was"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "also during this period that Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "met Ayah, the woman who would eventually"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "become his wife. At this point, his life"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "still looked relatively normal. But that"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "all changed in 1991. The entire system"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "that created him then collapsed. The"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Soviet Union ceased to exist. And for"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "millions of people, this was an economic"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "catastrophe. Soldiers stopped receiving"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "their reliable salaries. Different"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "military units were completely"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "dissolved. All of these Soviet pilots"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "suddenly had no aircraft to fly and an"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "enormous military that had been built to"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "fight NATO started getting broken apart"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "and sold off piece by piece. Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "was in his mid20s watching all of this"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "happen. He said he said that he saw"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "people not getting paid. So he submitted"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "his resignation and moved towards"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "civilian work and started putting"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "together a plan. He knew aviation and he"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "spoke multiple languages while at the"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "same time he had a unique understanding"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "of the Soviet military logistics. He"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "also conveniently had many different"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "high-level contacts abroad. He knew that"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "sitting across the entire former Soviet"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Union were just hundreds of old Antonov"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "and Illusian cargo aircraft that the"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "government could barely afford to"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "operate. Even better for Victor Bout or"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "worse depending on where you happen to"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "live, there were all these warehouses"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "that were filled with old Cold War era"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "weapons, just firearms, AK-47s, rocket"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "launchers. So Bout moved fast. According"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "to his own account, at around 25 years"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "old, he acquired three old Antonov cargo"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "aircraft for about $120,000"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "and he started flying commercial cargo."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "Former associates later claimed there"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "was more to the story and alleged there"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "was a military intelligence connection"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "that helped him obtain those aircraft."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "Although that claim had never been"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "conclusively established. At first,"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "these planes carried perfectly normal"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "cargo for him like flower and consumer"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "goods, whatever somebody was willing to"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "pay him to move. But there was an"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "obvious problem with flying cargo from"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "Eastern Europe and the former Soviet"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Union into Africa. Eventually, the plane"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "has to fly back, and Victor Bout was"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "about to figure out that an empty cargo"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "aircraft moving between a collapsing"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "military superpower and some of the most"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "heavily armed conflicts on Earth"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "represented an enormous business"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "opportunity. According to former"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "associates, Victor's first major job"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "involved state sanctioned weapons"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "deliveries into the developing world."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "And once he proved that he and his"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "pilots could reliably get cargo into"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "places that most legitimate airlines"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "wanted absolutely nothing to do with,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "his alleged sponsors inside the GRU"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "essentially gave him blank check and"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "room to expand. Bout has always denied"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "working for Russian military"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "intelligence, but former US ambassador"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "to Russia Thomas Peckering later"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "described the relationship by saying,"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "quote, \"What he was doing, he was doing"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "with a wink and a nod from the GRU.\""}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "Russians actually have a word for this"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "kind of arrangement. They call it the"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "krisha, which literally means roof. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "called this because someone powerful"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "provides protection over your head like"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "a roof while you make money underneath"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "it. And everybody involved understands"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "that the roof generally expects to get"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "rent in return. Whether Victor's roof"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "really was the GRU would become one of"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "the biggest unanswered questions"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "surrounding him. But by the early 1990s,"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "something was clearly going very right"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "for this former military translator."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "Victor acquired four old A&8 cargo"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "planes that were basically headed for"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the junkyard. He got them running again"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "and sent them to Angola, Africa, where"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "they started to earn back their purchase"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "price almost immediately. Bel quickly"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "learned that a plane Western operators"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "considered to be totally obsolete and"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "dangerous could still be incredibly"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "profitable if you were just willing to"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "fly somewhere that everyone else refused"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "to go. And Victor was willing to go"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "pretty much anywhere. He became obsessed"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "with aircraft, constantly looking for"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "cheap Soviet planes that could be"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "brought back into service. He bought old"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "engines that had already exceeded their"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "recommended service lives, cannibalized"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "those old aircraft for parts, and"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "occasionally acquired equipment through"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "methods that would charitably be called"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "as entrepreneurial. One of the better"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "examples was an enormous IL76 cargo jet"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "that had been sold to a Russian military"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "school as a museum piece. Victor decided"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "the museum had enjoyed it long enough,"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "so he bribed a customs official to"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "redirect that aircraft toward a"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "scrapyard and then somehow ended up"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "adding that giant transport plane to his"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "cargo fleet. His friends would later say"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "that his eyes would sparkle whenever he"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "saw an aircraft. This was Victor Bout's"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "version of seeing a classic car just"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "sitting under a tarp, except it weighed"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "90 tons and could transport a small"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "army. But collecting airplanes was only"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "useful if Victor could find people crazy"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "enough to fly them. He treated his staff"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "of pilots extremely well by the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "standards of business, paying them"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "generously and usually staying with his"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "crew on trips rather than just"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "disappearing into luxury hotels with his"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "clients. So, Victor Bout understood that"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "these men were flying incredibly"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "dangerous, aging Soviet transports into"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "many different active war zones and then"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "landing them on improvised runways and"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "occasionally discovering that somebody"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "on the ground had brought a"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "surfaceto-air missile to work that day."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "At least five aircraft connected to his"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "operations were eventually shot down or"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "crashed. So, Victor decided to start"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "modifying his aircraft. His planes were"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "lined with lead armor, adding huge"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "amounts of weight to aircraft whose main"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "purpose was to carry already huge"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "amounts of weight. Under even the best"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "and normal circumstances, this was very"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "dangerous. But then came May 1997 when"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "Victor got to find out whether his idea"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "would pay off. The African country of"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "Zair was collapsing as rebel forces"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "advanced on the government of a longtime"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "president there, Moubu Seiko. Moubu had"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "been in power for more than 30 years."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "But by this point, his army was"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "disintegrating, and the rebels were"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "approaching his palace. Eventually,"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "somebody in Mabu's circle needed to find"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "a plane willing to fly into the middle"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "of a collapsing dictatorship in Africa"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "and get the president safely out."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Naturally, Victor Bout knew a guy."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "Victor sent one of his cargo planes to"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "evacuate Mabu, and the extraction"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "actually worked until some of the"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "president's guards realized there wasn't"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "enough room for them on board to escape"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "with him. Imagine spending years of"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "protecting this dictator only to find"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "out that your severance package"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "consisted basically of you watching him"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "take his airplane out of there without"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "you. As Victor Bout's plane was taking"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "off the runway, his own abandoned"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "bodyguards realized that they were being"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "ditched. They turned around. They"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "started opening fire on the aircraft."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "Bullets hammered the aircraft while it"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "accelerated down the runway, but they"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "couldn't penetrate the armor that Victor"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "Bout had installed. Babu escaped the"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "country safely and his son later said of"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "the experience, \"We're lucky it was a"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "Russian plane. If it had been a Boeing,"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "it would have exploded.\" And stories"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "like these are why Victor Bout's"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "business just kept growing and growing."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "And he developed this kind of reputation"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "of being willing to do things that"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "others wouldn't. But more clients"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "brought Victor Bout new problems,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "attention that was all focused on him."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "Bout became extremely careful about"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "leaving zero evidence behind. He was"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "said to have kept telephone"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "conversations to a minute or under"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "because he was worried about"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "intelligence agencies tracing the call."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "And he avoided having his photograph"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "taken ever. And he did it so"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "successfully that Western investigators"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "spent years without even having a good"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "idea of what the man looked like."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "Eventually, a Belgian journalist though"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "managed to photograph him almost by"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "accident using a wider frame while"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "pretending to photograph somebody else,"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "which makes his current enthusiasm for"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "appearing on American podcasts a very"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "strange change in media strategy. But"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "photographs were a relatively minor"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "problem compared to with tracking Victor"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "Bout's business itself. Bout rarely ever"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "put everything under one single company."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "Instead, his aircraft moved through a"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "constantly changing collection of"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "different airlines, holding companies,"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "registrations, and intermediaries that"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "were spread across different"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "jurisdictions and countries. A plane"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "could belong to one company, be operated"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "by another, and suddenly appear under a"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "completely different registration while"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "continuing to perform essentially the"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "same job. To help with this dilemma, by"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "1995, Victor Bout had brought his older"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "brother Sergey into the operation,"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "giving him control over some of these"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "companies and adding another layer of"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "plausible deniability between Victor and"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "the cargo that were moving around the"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "world and the many different types of"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "arms and weaponry. Belgian investigators"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "also alleged that Victor Bout maintained"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "financial specialists who were capable"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "of moving and laundering tens of"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "millions of dollars that were generated"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "by the arms network. Victor preferred"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "cash of course whenever possible, but"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "some of his customers operated in"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "countries where cash was pretty"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "difficult to find. But there were other"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "valuable things sitting in the ground."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "So about adapted weapons could go into a"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "country and then diamonds, cobalt,"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "emeralds, and other natural resources"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "could come back in order to pay for it."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "Victor even had geologists on his staff"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "working for him who were capable of"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "determining whether the stones being"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "given to him were actually worth"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "anything because international arms"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "trafficking eventually develops the same"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "staffing problems as pawn stars. The"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "legitimate cargo helped make the"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "operation even harder to untangle. Bouts"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "planes would carry humanitarian supplies"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "and ordinary commercial goods on one"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "flight and then reappear somewhere else"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "carrying all kinds of military weaponry."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "So his operation at this point became"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "fundamentally different from most arms"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "dealers because Victor Belout built an"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "international logistics network around"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "the world from Eastern Europe to Africa,"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "Central Asia to the Middle East and soon"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "we'll see in the Americas as well. For"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "most of the 1990s, this worked very"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "well, and his network continued"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "expanding across continents while"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "governments struggled to figure out"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "exactly where the legitimate aviation"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "business ended and arms trafficking"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "started. But his operation was getting"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "too big and new technologies were making"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "it easier to track him because every new"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "aircraft produced more flight records"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "and more paperwork trail. And by the"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "late 1990s, the empire had started"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "becoming large enough that intelligence"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "agencies could finally see its outline."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "By the early 2000s, Bout and his wife"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "Allah had a daughter and moved around"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "the world as the aviation network grew"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "bigger. In the United Arab Emirates, his"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "family lived in a seaside villa and then"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "moved to Johannesburg. They occupied a"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "heavily secured mansion there worth"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "around $3 million, complete with two"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "swimming pools and a collection of"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "expensive cars. Victor continued"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "presenting himself though as a just an"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "unusually successful air freight"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "businessman which technically explained"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "why he owned cargo planes and slightly"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "better than it explained everything the"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "cargo planes were doing. Then September"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "11th once again changed everything for"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "Bout. Bout had already spent years at"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "this point operating around Afghanistan."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "First doing business with the Northern"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "Alliance and then later becoming linked"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "by American and international"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "investigators to the Taliban. He was"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "arming both sides there. After 9/11,"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "these connections that had once been"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "treated as just another ugly part of"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "Afghanistan's civil war were now being"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "examined closer as part of a global"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "counterterrorism investigation. The"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "Taliban knew an American response was"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "coming, so money and portable wealth was"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "moving out of Afghanistan."}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "Investigations into terrorist financing"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "later traced all this movement of cash,"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "gold, and other assets through the"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "region. So, American investigators"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "became interested in the aviation"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "networks that were helping to keep"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "Afghanistan connected to these outside"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "suppliers, and Victor Bout's name kept"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "reappearing. The United States Treasury"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "Department later said information"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "available to the US government showed"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "that Bout earned about $50 million"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "supplying military equipment to the"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "Taliban. Bout denied supplying weapons"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "to either the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. But"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "after 911, the allegations surrounding"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "him carried consequences far beyond just"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "another simple violation of an African"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "arms embargo. Then one of the people"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "inside Victor's network started talking"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "to investigators. A Kenyan businessman"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "named Rupra, who had connections to"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "Bout's operations in Africa, approached"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "American investigators after September"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "11th with information about Bout's"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "alleged dealings with the Taliban and"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "al-Qaeda. Belgian authorities arrested"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "Rupra in early 2002 on an unrelated"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "counterfeiting investigation and within"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "just days, prosecutors in Belgium"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "finally made the first major legal move"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "against Victor himself. They issued a"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "warrant for his arrest. An inner pole"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "circulated the alert internationally."}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "Belgian prosecutors accused Bout of"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "running a money laundering operation"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "built around his African weapons"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "profits. And now the man who had spent a"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "decade slipping between jurisdictions"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "was officially wanted. At the same time,"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "journalists started pulling the same"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "threats. In May 2002, the Los Angeles"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "Times published a major investigation"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "into Bout's network, connecting"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "companies tied to him to the Taliban's"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "airfleet and detailing how aircraft"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "associated with Victor Bout's business"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "had helped move military equipment and"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "personnel into Afghanistan. The paper"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "interviewed more than 75 officials,"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "aviation workers, and bounce associates"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "while using records recovered from the"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "former Taliban government to start"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "reconstructing piece by piece a network"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "that Victor had spent years breaking"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "into separate pieces. For somebody whose"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "security strategy relied heavily on"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "making the puzzle difficult to assemble,"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "having one of America's biggest"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "newspapers start assembling the puzzle"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "for everybody was less than ideal for"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "Victor Bout. And then Victor did"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "something very unusual. He actually"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "started talking in 2002. While Belgian"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "authorities were trying to arrest him,"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Belt walked directly into a Moscow radio"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "station and gave a a live interview"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "denying the allegations against him. He"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "insisted that he was just a simple air"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "transporter. He denied supplying the"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "Taliban or al-Qaeda and asked, \"What"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "should I be afraid of?\" Russian"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "authorities let him walk straight back"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "out of the building. Bout had supplied"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "people on opposing sides of the same war"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "before, which made his relationships"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "even harder to classify politically. One"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "former business partner explained the"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "arrangement pretty well, saying, quote,"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "\"He was friends of everyone. They"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "tolerated this because they had no"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "alternative. No one else would deliver"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "the packages. You never shoot the"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "postman.\" End quote. Then the story"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "became even more absurd by Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "standards even. Because while parts of"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "the US government were trying to shut"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "down his network, other parts of the US"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "government started paying for it. After"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "the invasion of Iraq, companies"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "connected to Victor Bout became part of"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "the enormous airbridge that was"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "resupplying American forces and"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "contractors in theater. Air Force"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "records later showed aircraft tied to"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Victor Bout's network were making"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "hundreds of flights into Baghdad"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "carrying everything from frozen food and"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "oil field equipment to guns and other"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "military cargo. grave complications for"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "the United States. Victor Boot's"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "tentacles reached so far and so deep"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "that he had uh access to planes that"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "could provide services for the US"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": ">> Through at least 2005, the American"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "government contractors paid Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "linked cargo companies roughly $60"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "million to fly supplies into Iraq. And"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "the US military even provided his pilots"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "hundreds of thousands of gallons of"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "aviation fuel along the way. So, at one"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "point, America was financing the very"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "logistics network of a man that other"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "American officials were trying to"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "dismantle, taking government agency"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "rivalry to a brand new level. Bout's"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "ability to appear on opposite sides of"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "the war on terror became almost comical"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "at this point. The US Treasury said that"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "he was earning millions of dollars"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "moving cargo for the American war effort"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "that removed the Taliban from power. And"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "even Victor understood exactly how"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "strange his position was because during"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "a 2003 interview with the New York"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "Times, Bout described waking up after"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "September 11th and describing that he"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "had suddenly become second only to Osama"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "bin Laden as he said. Then he pointed at"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "his forehead and suggested that"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "revealing everything he knew could put a"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "bullet there. Meanwhile, the United"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "States was attacking the empire of his"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "financially. In 2004, Washington"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "sanctioned Victor Bout himself. The"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "following year, the Treasury Department"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "went after the wider network,"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "identifying his brother Sergey, senior"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "managers in a long list of cargo"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "airlines that were holding companies and"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "shell corporations that were connected"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "to his wider operation. The Treasury"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "Department's own diagram of Bout's"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "network started looking like someone"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "just dropped a bowl of corporate"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "spaghetti onto a map. The sanctions"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "froze assets under US jurisdiction and"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "prohibited Americans from conducting"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "business with these designated"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "companies. But even this produced a"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "strange game of whack-a-ole. And"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "American officials were getting tired of"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "all at this point. So the hunt changed."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "American law enforcement needed him to"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "essentially agree to a crime that they"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "could prove in a jurisdiction where they"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "could actually grab him. Then a few"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "years later, Victor Bout received an"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "offer from men who were claiming to"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "represent the FARC in Colombia and he"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "took the meeting. South America wasn't"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "even really his territory, but he"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "started making inroads there. So when he"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "heard there might be this deal with FARC"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "and Colombia, Bout spent 2 weeks"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "straight studying them. He read their"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "manifesto. He learned who their leaders"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "were. And he researched the conflict."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Because remember, Victor Bout at heart"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "is this intellectual who loves"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "geopolitics and he really loves learning"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "about all these different cultures and"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "people around the world. So when he"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "finally flew to Bangkok for the meeting"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "with these Colombian rebels,"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "investigators later found a lonely"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "planet guide to Colombia inside his"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "luggage. That's something that everyone"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "who has ever met Victor Bout says he"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "sees himself as an intellectual who's"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "very cultured. Victor met with the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "FARCrebel in Bangkok in 2008 to sort out"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "their business. He pulled out a pen, a"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "piece of paper, and he said, \"Let's make"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "a list of what you need.\" The rebel said"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "in return, \"I need anti-aircraft"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "missiles. I need thousands of AK rifles,"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "millions of rounds, grenades, mortars,"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "C4.\""}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "And Victor somehow made supplying this"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "small war feel like just filling out a"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "boring invoice form. But what he didn't"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "realize this whole time was that he was"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "selling to an undercover DEA operative"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "who was posing as a FARC representative."}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "During the meeting, Victor Bout said,"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "quote, \"Ringos are enemies. For me, it's"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "not business, it's my fight.\" He told"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "them that he'd been fighting against the"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "United States for 10 to 15 years,"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "calling it one person's resistance. So"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "the undercover agent then told Victor"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "about that he intended to use the"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "weapons that Victor was selling him"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "specifically to kill American officials"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "and Americans. Victor still agreed to"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "the $25 million deal. Despite that, the"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "DEA had what they needed and they"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "arrested him on the spot. Agents burst"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "through the conference door. He just"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "calmly sat back down. The DEA said that"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "Bout was very relaxed. His response was"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "quote, \"The game is over. All my cards"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "are on the table. He was arrested and"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "subsequently convicted under multiple"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "terrorism conspiracy charges. Bout was"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "then sentenced to 25 years behind bars"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "for his crimes. While sitting in a"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "prison, Bout then told New Yorker"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "journalist Nicl Schmetle that quote, \"I"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "did nothing in my mind that qualifies as"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "a crime. Sure, I was doing"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "transportation of arms, but it was"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "occasional. 360 days were normal"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "shipments. five or so days I shipped"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "arms and made a couple hundred,000."}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "End quote. He was certain that this"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "wasn't how his story would end, saying,"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "quote, \"I'll get back to Russia. I don't"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "know when, but I'm still young. Your"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "empire will collapse and I'll get out of"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "here.\" At the time, he sounded"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "delusional. And yet, Victor's story"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "doesn't end there. It's only the"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "beginning of a very new and strange"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "chapter. Because even after everything"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "that happened, Bout never really seemed"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "to see himself as some kind of warlord"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "or criminal mastermind. When a New"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "Yorker reporter asks him in prison"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "whether he felt remorse, Bout basically"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "answered, \"Remorse for what?\" In his"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "telling, the guns were just one small"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "part of the manifest. Immediately after"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "his arrest, the Russian government"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "protested that the Thai government had"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "been politically pressured by the United"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "States to arrest him. Sergey Lavough,"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "Russia's foreign minister and longest"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "serving diplomat, personally called for"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "Victor Bout's release. Russia went a"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "step further in 2013, sanctioning every"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "US official involved in Victor's"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "prosecution, permanently denying them"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "visa entry to the country. It's an"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "unusual move for someone who supposedly"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "was just a private citizen in an air"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "transport magnet. One possible"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "explanation for Russia's interest in"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "Victor's case is that he knows too many"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "secrets and Moscow wants to earn his"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "silence. In his book, Douglas Farro"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "writes, \"As Vladimir Putin consolidated"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "the badly fractured intelligence"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "services, again over the past several"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "years, Bout was less a rogue agent and"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "more a part of the rapidly expanding"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "Russian arms network. Bout would serve"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "his time in US prison for the next"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "decade plus until fate would move in his"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "favor. Victor's value to the Russian"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "Federation became clear when the Kremlin"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "agreed to a controversial prisoner swap"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "in 2022. Russia arrested WNBA American"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "basketball player Brittney Grryer in"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "August and swiftly sentenced her to 9"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "years in prison for alleged drug"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "smuggling over some marijuana vape pens"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "that she had on her. The US tried to"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "negotiate the release of detained US"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "Marine Paul Wayan along with Grryer's"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "release, but eventually they took the"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "one for one deal, exchanging Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "for Grryer. Trading the Merchant of"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "Death for a basketball player earned a"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "lot of criticism in the American press"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "at the time. Many were worried that"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "Victor Bout would go back to arms"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "dealing against America or worse. They"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "couldn't have possibly imagined how"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "weird it would get from there, though,"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "because the story of Victor Bout is"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "about to take an even stranger left turn"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "that I don't think anyone saw coming."}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "His comeback tour starts almost"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "immediately with him giving interviews"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "to RT, the Russian state media, about"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "his time in the American prison system"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "and how he didn't experience any Russian"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "phobia there. Days later, he joins"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "Russian political party, the LDPR, the"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "Russian Nationalist Party. The party's"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "own telegram framed his return as"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "symbolic and presented his imprisonment"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "as American persecution. Yavghi Pragoan,"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "the warlord, was helping Bout his whole"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "time that he was still in the American"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "prison system. And in June 2023"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "interview, Bout said that the LDPR party"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "had assisted his family and lawyers over"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "the years. And he specifically added"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "that Pergoian had helped him as well."}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "When the interviewer asked exactly how"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "Victor Bout and Pergoan first met, Bout"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "declined to explain, calling it a"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "private matter. In June 2023, the outlet"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "Medusa spoke with sources close to the"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "Russian LDPR leadership who described"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "Victor Bout as not a public person and"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "said that the party basically had no"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "clear idea what his public role should"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "be. One source said that he had not"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "hired consultants and didn't even"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "understand what he should talk about or"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "how to promote himself. On June 13,"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "2023, just 10 days before Pergoian would"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "launch an armed mutiny with his Vagner"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "forces and march on Moscow against"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "Putin, Victor Bout and Pergoian actually"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "traveled together around Russia. Just"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "two weeks prior to that armed"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "insurrection, they visited a Vagner"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "recruiting center together, and Vagner's"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "press service said that Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "accompanied him the whole way. Bout had"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "just been publicly traveling around"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "Russia with the guy who was about to"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "stage the most serious armed challenge"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "to the Kremlin in decades. Yet Bout"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "escaped the deadly fallout that followed"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "Pgoan. His political career just kept"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "moving forward after that happened. And"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "by September 2023, Victor entered"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "politics and wins a local election as a"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "regional assembly member. And the Wall"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "Street Journal said that Victor had"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "returned to his arms dealing ways"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "already, making up for lost time by"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "selling to a new US adversary in the"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "form of Yemen's Houthy rebels. At this"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "point, he's making regular appearances"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "on Russian state TV as a subject matter"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "expert on arms deals. Victor even"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "launched his own website where he tells"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "you explicitly that his goal is to"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "publicize his image of social and"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "political work, expressing his views on"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "current events and finding and uniting"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "like-minded people. It even invites"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "readers to write him personally,"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "complete with his old address where he"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "was in the US prison system. Then in"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "August 2024, Victor Bout starts making a"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "series of appearances on Alex Jones"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "Infowars show. They start by calling him"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "a Russian politician, then an"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "influential Russia and a high-ranking"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "Russian insider, finally a geopolitical"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "expert. As his public persona was"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "continuing to evolve, he turns up at an"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "aviation materials institute. He speaks"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "to university students in Bellarus. He"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "participates in business forums, holds"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "an art exhibition in China, and meets"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "residents about roads and utilities"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "across Russia, talks about schools,"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "industry, and agriculture. Victor Bout"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "was becoming a very busy and ambitious"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "man. But what was his ultimate aim with"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "all of this? In June 2026, Bout sits"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "down in Moscow for an hour-ong remote"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "video interview with Tucker Carlson, who"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "introduced him as someone with something"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "important to say about where the war in"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "Europe was headed. Bout's main points"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "are the following. He said on Tucker"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "Carlson, quote, \"We're really now very"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "close to allout World War II.\" Bout's"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "new message to the American public is"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "basically that Russia isn't coming for"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "you. Your own leaders are dragging you"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "into war with Russia and that this war"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "could go nuclear. Whether you believe"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "Victor Bout or not is another question"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "entirely. This is after all a man whose"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "previous contribution to international"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "relations involved cargo planes full of"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "AK-47s. But the important part is who"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "he's trying to convince here. We can't"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "know Bout's private motives, but his"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "public trajectory gives us a pretty good"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "clue. He's turning the Victor Bout name"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "from a liability into political capital."}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "An investigative journalist who spent"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "months interviewing him described"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "watching his rehabilitation firsthand."}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "Bout joined Russia's nationalistic LDPR"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "party, cultivated relationships with"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "powerful Russian figures, rebuilt his"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "business contacts abroad, and became"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "this rising political figure. And now we"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "know where those roads lead. In July"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "2026, Russia's election commission"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "formally registered Bout near the very"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "top of the LDPR's nationwide candidate"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "list for the state Duma elections. He's"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "not running for some obscure local"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "office either. He's now being positioned"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "for Russia's national parliament. And"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "even more revealing, Bout's Tucker"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "Carlson interview goes viral, receives"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "over a million views, and the LDPR"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "itself publicly celebrates that, saying"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "that the attention showed growing"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "foreign interest in the Russian point of"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "view, and vindicated the party's"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "decision to put Bout on its federal"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "ticket. The merchant of death nickname"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "that once made Bout radioactive in the"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "West makes him now valuable to Russia."}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "He can present himself as the Russian"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "who survived 15 years in an American"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "prison, refused to confess, was"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "important enough for Moscow to trade for"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "Britney Grryer to get him back and then"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "return home to tell Americans that their"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "government was wrong about him and wrong"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "about Russia. And then he becomes an"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "influencer, a former armsdealing"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "podcaster because on July 24th, 2026,"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "they launched Russian patrol with Bout"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "and Gamoff, which is a weekly current"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "event show with Victor Bout as the"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "co-host. The premiere currently has"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "about 500,000 views on our YouTube, and"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "future episodes saw over a million"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "viewers. He had become a Russian"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "YouTuber politician. Victor Bout may"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "have discovered one final commodity that"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "he knows how to sell, which is himself,"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "Victor Bout. And he most recently made"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "the jump from small regional politician"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "to a member of Russia's national federal"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "parliament. Because as of September"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "25th, 2026, Russia's official election"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "results list Victor Bout fifth among the"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "elected LDPR deputies in the state Duma."}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "He's actually made the jump. He's gone"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "from convicted arms trafficker to"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "Russian celebrity to regional lawmaker"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "and part of the state Duma. And this"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "raises a dark question, I think. Is"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "Russia deliberately turning one of"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "America's most infamous enemies into"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "something more powerful? As the"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "postputin era gets closer, could"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "somebody with his story, connections,"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "language capabilities, and growing"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "public profile actually make a run for"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "the top job in Russia? If you found this"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "episode valuable, please hit the like"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "button and subscribe. We're trying out"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "some new formats here, telling stories"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "of people. So, check out this video"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "about Russia's dumbest mistakes in 2026"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "if you're interested. I'm Chris Cappy"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "and I'll see you in the next"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "transmission."}]

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In February 2010,"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "he walked into a room full of Mexican"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "hitmen wearing a fancy purple bathrobe,"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "ignoring everyone like he was too cool"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "to even be there. So, would the cartel"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "buy it? Somehow, McGawan had to convince"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "them he's the real deal. One suspicious"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "move and the whole operation would be"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "blown. Today we're going inside the most"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "insane classified undercover operations"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "against the cartel because American law"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "enforcement is currently running these"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "deep cover operations that you almost"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "never hear about. In 2025, the FBI told"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "Congress it had more than 6,000 active"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "cases targeting criminal groups. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "we'll see how federal agents infiltrate"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "the cartels, build entire fake lives,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "and eventually bring these organizations"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "down from the inside. So, how does an"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "FBI agent actually convince El Chapo's"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "inner circle that he's a Sicilian mob"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "boss without getting himself a Colombian"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "necktie? It starts with FBI special"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "agent McGowan. The reason why he got"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "into this in the first place is because"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "he grew up outside Boston in an Irish"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "Catholic neighborhood where he said a"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "lot of people either end up in law"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "enforcement or in jail. His father was a"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "cop. His grandfather was a cop. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "McGowan picked his side early and"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "started out as a regular police officer."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "He then spent the next two decades"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "getting progressively deeper in"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "undercover work. First using a fake"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "business, selling tracker equipped cars"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "to drug traffickers, then infiltrating"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "the Russian mafia in Boston, and even"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "working cases involving the Italian"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "Kosonra criminal organization. By the"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "time the FBI put him on the Mexican"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "Cenoloa cartel in 2009, he'd already"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "spent years living under fake identities"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "and learning how to make dangerous"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "criminals trust him. That's why in 2009,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "he was ready to accept Operation Dark"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Water, a three-yearong deep cover"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "mission to bring down the Cenoloa"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "cartel. And for this he sets up an"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "elaborate scheme where he and three"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "other FBI agents had to establish"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "themselves as the Sicilian mafia. But"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "there was one huge problem with the"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "plan. They were about to pretend to be"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "Sicilian while none of them actually"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "spoke a single word of Italian in"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "reality. But they chose this because"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "they knew at the time that the Senoloa"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "cartel was looking to expand their"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "operations into Europe and was looking"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "for new distribution networks. And the"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Sicilian mafia knows how to move"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "contraband through those very ports. And"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "because let's be real, McGawan could"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "pass for an Italian American better than"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "he could pass as a Mexican gangster. So"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "they had one of their sources make"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "contact with the Sinaloa cartel to let"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "them know about the business"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "opportunity. Their contact insoloa was"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "Manuel El Chapo's cousin and one of the"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "incredibly few people who had direct"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "access to the drug lord. At the time, El"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "Chapo was hiding out in the mountains of"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "northern Mexico, which he successfully"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "did for 13 years by existing as a ghost"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "with tightly controlled contact with the"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "outside world. The psychology of"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "undercover work gets pretty strange"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "because you're maintaining two"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "identities at once while constantly"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "monitoring every word, reaction, and"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "relationship for anything that could"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "expose you. Research on undercover"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "officers has found unusually high levels"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "of hyper vigilance. And one of the most"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "documented risks is becoming emotionally"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "attached to or even overidentifying with"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "the very criminals that you're supposed"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "to be investigating. So after months or"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "years of living that way, the"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "friendships can feel very real. And part"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "of the way that they establish a good"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "reputation with the Sinaloa cartel was"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "that McGawan took on the exact same role"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "as El Chapo. Essentially, he was this"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "mythical figure that almost never dealt"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "with the cartel directly. He had his"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "lieutenants do it for him and they spoke"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "for him like he was the Sicilian"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "equivalent of El Chapo. They even told"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Singaloa that they were under"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "investigation by the European"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "authorities, so they would never speak"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Sicilian or Italian to hide their"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "identities. That was a very ballsy"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "excuse because none of these guys spoke"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Sicilian. But I guess Manuel El Chapo's"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "cousin didn't think to learn some"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "Italian to even test them because when"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "he met the cartel all in person, the FBI"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "was able to intercept communications"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "that he reported back to El Chapo just"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "how impressed he was by how professional"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "they all were. He found it hilarious"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "that McGawan came to the first meeting"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "in a purple bathrobe. That little detail"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "sold the whole operation. El Chapo"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "apparently even said that they were the"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "most wellorganized criminal organization"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "that he'd ever dealt with. And I guess"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "that makes sense because the FBI is"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "pretty organized. And so they were in."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "Sinaloa would send $20 million worth of"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "dope to Spain where the quote unquote"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "Sicilians would distribute it. But then"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "they ran into an issue. Holding regular"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "contact with one of the most wanted"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "organizations in the world is actually"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "pretty difficult. It turns out they"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "would be ghosted for months at a time."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "The first shipment kept getting delayed."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "Instead, the cartel kept sending test"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "shipments, containers full of fruit to"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "test the shipping method. It happened"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "again and again, and this ghosting and"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "test shipment process dragged on for a"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "year and a half. The FBI was growing"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "increasingly doubtful that the operation"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "would really lead anywhere. So McGawan"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "did something incredibly risky at this"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "point. Something that his years and"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "years of negotiating with criminals told"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "him was possibly the only chance of"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "success here. So right now on Cappy"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "Army, we're trying out doing hour-long"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "deep dives on the channel, increasing"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "the amount of content. 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Again,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "just go to carnivorebar.com/cappy"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "and use my promo code Cappy for 15% off"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "your first order or click the link in"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "the video description, scan the QR code"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "on screen or check the pin comment"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "below. Now, back to infiltrating the"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "cartel. He had the undercover FBI agents"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "reach out and tell the cartel that they"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "were backing out of the deal. The cartel"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "was taking too long. If you don't want"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "to sell me your drugs, I'll find someone"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "else. And it totally worked. Sinaloa"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "said the drug dealer equivalent of, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "wait, baby. I'm sorry. I'm I'm ready to"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "take this to the next level.\" They"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "shipped 15 million worth of heroin and"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "700 lb of cocaine to Spain. It was all"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "immediately seized by Spanish police on"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "the down low. So to celebrate the new"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "loving relationship, the FBI invited"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "Manuel and a bunch of the Sinaloa's top"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "brass to a fancy hotel in Madrid. These"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "guys felt confident enough that they"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "could take a vacation together, so they"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "fell for it. At the hotel, Spanish"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "police rolled in and said surprise in in"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Spanish. Manuel was extradited to the"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "United States and is serving 16 years in"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "prison. It was a huge blow to the"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "Sinaloa cartel, and it came very close"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "to home for El Chapo since his cousin"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "had been one of his right-hand men. El"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Chapo himself would go into hiding in"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "Mexico for another 2 years until 65"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "Mexican Marines arrested him in a luxury"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "condo in one of their resorts in 2014."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "There was something about the way that"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "McGawan thought that made him unusually"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "well suited for undercover work. He"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "later said that he watched otherwise"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "excellent FBI agents one after another"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "struggle to do undercover work because"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "they were trying too hard to act like"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "somebody else. His approach was way"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "simpler. He said, \"You don't have to be"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "somebody else. You be who you really"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "are, just in a nuanced way.\" Now, after"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "watching McGawan spend years pretending"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "to be an Italian crime boss, I started"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "wondering how does the FBI decide who"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "they're willing to trust with something"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "like this? Because you can't exactly"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "apply for the position of fake mob boss"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "on Indeed. 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Because"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "anything somebody could use to"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "compromise you becomes a much bigger"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "problem when your job involves lying to"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "professional criminals. Then you get"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "sent to FBI Academy at Quantico for"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "about 18 weeks and more than 800 hours"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "of special training. But even after"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "that, most FBI agents will never do what"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "McGawan did. The FBI has about 13,000"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "special agents while only a very small"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "percentage become certified to do"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "undercover work. McGawan has estimated"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "that roughly 10% receive specialized"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "undercover training. And he says most of"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "those agents will work only one"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "undercover case during their entire"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "career. McGawan worked fine. So by the"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "time he was sitting across from Senoloa"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "pretending to run his own mafia"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "organization, we're looking at somebody"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "operating inside a pretty tiny niche"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "within an already extremely selective"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "profession. And there's a reason law"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "enforcement became so specialized at"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "this. People have been infiltrating"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "enemy organizations for thousands of"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "years. SunSu devoted an entire chapter"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "of the Art of War to spies planted"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "inside hostile organizations and double"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "agents. Modern police undercover work"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "starts looking more recognizable in the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "early 1800s with Eugene Vak, a former"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "criminal who became a police informer"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "and eventually organized a planelo"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "detective unit in Paris that was staffed"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "heavily by former criminals. 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Agents"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "eventually learned that the best way"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "inside a criminal organization was often"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "to figure out what that group"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "desperately needed and become the person"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "who could provide that. McGawan offered"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "the Sinaloa a route into Europe. And the"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "next agent offered something just as"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "valuable, a way to make enormous amounts"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "of dirty money disappear. 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He already had"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "more than two decades with the DEA and"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "had worked undercover everywhere from"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "Colombia, Peru, Romania, Tanzania, and"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "Kazakhstan, which are places I didn't"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "even know DEA agents were running around"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "pretending to be criminals in. Normal"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "work travel stopped being an option for"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "this guy a long time ago. According to"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "Diaz, investigators needed the target"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "himself to commit an overt criminal act"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "tied to the United States. They could"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "know what he was doing, understand his"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "role, and build an intelligence"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "apparatus around him. But eventually,"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "they needed him to personally step"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "across that line and commit a crime,"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "which sounds easy, right? Just send the"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "cartel commander a calendar invite"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "titled, \"Discuss International Narcotics"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "Conspiracy, Tuesday, 2:30 p.m.\""}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "Unfortunately, the guy had survived this"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "long enough because he wasn't that"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "stupid. So Diaz started thinking more"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "about how to reach him, how they would"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "make this man willingly take a risk that"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "he would normally avoid. So CJNG was"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "expanding internationally at the time."}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "And this particular target understood"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "how to move product around the world. So"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "Diaz believed ambition could be the weak"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "point here. If investigators could put a"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "valuable enough opportunity in front of"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "him, maybe he would expose himself"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "trying to grab it. That became the"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "entire trap of the operation. The team"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "cultivated a confidential source who"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "could introduce the idea that he knew"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "somebody with access to a lucrative new"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "market. That somebody would be Diaz. His"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "undercover persona was presented as a"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "serious international criminal with"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "connections inside the European Union"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "while still maintaining the US"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "connection that the investigators needed"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "to get him. The pitch was incredibly"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "tempting. Diaz could help the CJNG"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "cartel expand further into Europe. Some"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "of the other investigators initially"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "thought that the plan was nuts, though,"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "which is a little reassuring. You"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "probably want at least one guy in the"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "room asking, \"Are we sure helping"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "Mexican cartels imagine a European"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "expansion strategy is the best idea that"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "we have today?\" But now Diaz had another"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "problem. He couldn't look like he wanted"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "the deal too badly. Powerful traffickers"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "were constantly evaluating whoever sat"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "across from them. So somebody"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "aggressively trying to prove how"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "criminal they were, how connected they"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "are, how useful they are. They start to"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "look suspicious very quickly. So Diaz"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "needed the target to believe that he"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "needed Diaz more than Diaz needed him."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "This is where the undercover work turns"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "into a strange psychological game. Diaz"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "wasn't going to force the target into"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "anything. He was going to create an"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "opportunity valuable enough that the"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "target started doing the work himself."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "Diaz later described an approach that he"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "called a Libro de Coronel or the"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Colonel's book. The basic idea was to"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "study what a criminal organization"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "desperately wants and then build an"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "opportunity around that desire and let"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "their ambition pull them further inside."}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "That approach was really important"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "because by the late 2010s, the people"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "surviving at the upper levels of these"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "organizations had spent years dealing"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "with law enforcement informants and"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "increasingly sophisticated surveillance."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "a fake Rolex, a lot of $100 bills"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "probably weren't going to get you"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "invited into the inner circle anymore."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "Diaz had to make an entire international"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "business opportunity feel real enough"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "that the target would eventually decide"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "the bigger danger was missing out on it."}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "According to Diaz, the protected cartel"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "figure started dealing with the"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "undercover operation. The relationship"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "progressed until the target finally"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "personally committed the overcriminal"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "act that investigators had been trying"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "to obtain, giving the case the US"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "connection that it previously lacked."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "The guy investigators couldn't reach had"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "voluntarily stepped into the trap"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "because Diaz had given him something"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "valuable enough to take the risk. And"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "that's what makes this operation so"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "interesting to me. Diaz understood the"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "target well enough to predict what would"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "make him break his own rules. But this"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "was still an operation built around"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "getting closer to one valuable man. A"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "few years later, the DEA attempted"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "something much larger, penetrating a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "network belonging to the sons of El"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "Chapo himself. And this time, the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "government eventually admitted publicly"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "just how far inside they'd gotten."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "Beginning around late 2021, DEA"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "investigators launched an enormous"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "operation against Los Chapitos, the"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "faction of the Sinaloa cartel run by the"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "Sons of El Chapo. 18 months later, DEA"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "administrator Anne Mgram publicly said"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "that the agency had quote unquote"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "proactively infiltrated the"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "organization, obtained unprecedented"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "access to its highest levels, and"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "followed the network around the world."}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "That sentence is pretty wild when you"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "remember who these people are. They were"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "trying to map the entire organization"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "from the chemical suppliers to fentanyl"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "labs and international traffickers all"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "the way back to China. So, how do you"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "actually penetrate an organization that"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "large and somehow work your way toward"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "its highest levels without them"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "realizing what's happening? One way into"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "that enormous machine was shockingly"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "old-fashioned. You just became a"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "customer. In October 2022, according to"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "the US government, Chapedo's trafficker"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "Alan Herrera, supplied his associates"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "with about 20,000 fentanyl pills, which"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "were then sold to an undercover DEA"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "agent in California. The price was about"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "$14,000."}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "And that was the first step. The agents"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "buy the drugs, the transaction works,"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "nobody gets arrested in front of"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "Herrera, and now the cartel has a"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "customer that it can do business with"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "again. And only a week later, the"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "operation escalated dramatically."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "Herrera allegedly facilitated the sale"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "of about 5 kg of fentanyl for another"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "$65,000."}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "Think about the human side of the agent"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "sitting across from these people. Every"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "transaction has to look successful. If"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "you seize the drugs too obviously, the"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "cartel starts wondering why every"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "shipment involving their wonderful new"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "customer keeps vanishing into an"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "evidence locker. If you move too slowly,"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "on the other hand, you're wasting one of"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "the few opportunities you have to move"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "upward. Undercover work combines"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "salesmanship with the knowledge that an"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "unsatisfied customer may have several"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "professional assassins on the payroll."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "And so the purchase kept building trust."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "By March 2023, Herrera was allegedly"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "discussing additional kilogram"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "quantities coming from Mexico."}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "Investigators say he arranged another"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "delivery in Los Angeles involving even"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "more fentanyl powder. And while Herrera"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "thought that he was developing a very"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "profitable new customer, the DEA was"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "mapping outward from these individual"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "deals into the larger Chapidos cartel"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "structure. Then on April 14th, 2023, we"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "finally got to see how much they had"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "learned. Federal prosecutors announced"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "charges against 28 defendants who were"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "all connected to the Chapedo's cartel"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "network, including three sons of Al"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "Chapo along with alleged fentanyl"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "traffickers, chemical suppliers, money"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "launderers, and security figures."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "Imagine being inside Sinaloa, reading"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "the indictment, and slowly realizing"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "just how many different pieces of your"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "entire organization American"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "investigators somehow knew about. The DA"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "had started with its transaction that"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "was relatively small, about $14,500"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "pill purchases inside of California. And"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "then 18 months into the wider"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "investigation, the agency was publicly"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "saying it had penetrated the Chapos"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "cartel organization at its highest"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "levels and followed its network all"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "around the world. But there's an obvious"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "question hanging over an operation like"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "this. What happens when the cartel"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "figures out somebody inside is talking?"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "Because one of the people secretly"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "helping the DEA was eventually"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "discovered, as we'll see in this next"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "story. One of the people secretly"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "helping the DEA investigate the Chapidos"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "was Alexander Mesa Leon. The government"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "has revealed very little about how Messa"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "became a confidential source, what his"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "normal life looked like, or exactly how"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "much information he provided. The"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "silence is understandable. Confidential"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "source biographies generally become a"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "lot less useful once the cartel can"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "purchase the hardcover edition on"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Amazon. But what federal prosecutors now"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "allege happened to him gives us one of"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "the clearest modern examples of how the"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "actual stakes behind all of these"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "undercover operations go. Because"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "eventually the Chapidos cartel started"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "asking the questions that every"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "undercover operation is terrified of"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "which is who the is talking. Messa was"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "providing information to the DEA about"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "the narcotics operations of Ivan Archie"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "Valdo Guzman Salazar, one of El Chapo's"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "sons and his close associates. So by"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "October 2023, prosecutors alleged that"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "the Chapidos had identified or at least"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "strongly suspected Messa as the leak."}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "And once that suspicion started, Messa"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "had a much bigger problem than just"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "avoiding cartel gunmen. Investigators"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "say the chapidos had access to people"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "inside the police. A federal indictment"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "unsealed in 2026 alleges that Juan"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "Milan, a highlevel commander in the"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "Kuliaakan municipal police, was"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "accepting cartel money while giving the"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "chapos access to police intelligence,"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "patrol vehicles, and officers. That"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "meant that the people looking for Messa"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "could potentially use the same system"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "that he might reasonably expect to"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "protect him. And prosecutors alleged"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "that that is exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "According to the indictment, municipal"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "police officers driving an actual police"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "patrol car stopped Messa and another"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "person and they allegedly kidnapped them"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "and handed them over to the Cenoloa"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "cartels and handed them over to the"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "cartel sakarios. I think there's"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "something especially nasty about that"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "psychologically. If you're secretly"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "cooperating with American law"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "enforcement and a marked police car"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "pulls you over, your instinct should be"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "that the police are probably the safest"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "people you could possibly see. According"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "to prosecutors, that police car was"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "effectively the cartel's pickup service."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "And from there, the story gets"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "horrifying. Prosecutors say the Chapidos"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "cartel, kidnapped Meza and 10 other"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "people, including relatives and a US"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "citizen. Neestro Solace, better known as"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "El Nini, one of the Chapido's top"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "security bosses, then allegedly directed"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "Sakario's involved in the operation."}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "Eight victims were killed, and among"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "them were Meza and a 13-year-old boy."}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "Prosecutors say the killings were"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "retaliation for Meza providing"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "information to the DEA. And this is the"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "part of the undercover work that tends"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "to disappear from the movies. I think we"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "remember the fake Ferraris, the"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "ridiculous aliases, secret microphones,"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "wire taps, and these elaborate"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "takedowns. But somehow underneath all of"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "that is a person who has to go home"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "knowing the organization he's betraying"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "may be actively trying to figure out who"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "he is. And he may pay the ultimate price"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "for it. And if they do figure it out,"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "the danger might extend well beyond that"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "person to his family. But the story gets"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "one more strange turn. On November 22nd,"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "2023, barely a month after these"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "killings, Mexican authorities arrested"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "El Nini. He was later extradited to the"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "United States, and he now faces charges,"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "faces justice for what he did. And then"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "in April 2026, federal prosecutors"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "charged Milan and other current and"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "former Senal officials, alleging that"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "corruption inside local government"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "helped the cartel kidnap and murder"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "people cooperating with US authorities."}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "So, this entire case becomes the darker"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "mirror image of the undercover stories"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "that we've been looking at. When an"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "infiltration works, investigators slowly"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "learn who controls the money. They learn"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "of the drugs and the violence. But when"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "the cartel starts finding the people"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "helping them learn about it, the"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "consequences can be brutal. As we see,"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "by the late 1970s, South Florida had"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "become one of the main entry points for"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "the enormous flow of drugs coming from"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "Colombia and the Caribbean. And every"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "trafficking organization eventually ran"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "into the same logistics problem here."}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "You can successfully move 20,000 pounds"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "of marijuana across the Caribbean, which"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "is already a pretty big achievement for"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "people who generally aren't filling out"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "customs declarations. But eventually,"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "somebody has to meet that boat offshore,"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "unload everything, and bring it into an"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "American dock and move the cargo"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "somewhere before the Coast Guard appears"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "and confiscates it all. So the DA"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "decided to become those guys. Operation"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "Grouper ran for 22 months and eventually"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "involved nine undercover DEA agents"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "working against 14 separate trafficking"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "organizations with some of the agents"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "posing as professional smugglers and"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "offloaders who had access to boats,"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "docks, vehicles, storage facilities, and"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "crews. but essentially building a fake"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "logistics business where the customer"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "service department happened to be the"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "Drug Enforcement Administration, which"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "probably would have changed a few Yelp"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "reviews if anybody had found out. And"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "the cover worked because the agents were"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "offering exactly what these traffickers"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "genuinely wanted. They could take a"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "shipment sitting offshore and physically"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "get it onto American soil. And once"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "people inside the drug trade started"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "believing that these guys were reliable,"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "one trafficker introduced them to"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "another who introduced them to somebody"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "else. And then suddenly the DEA had"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "discovered the criminal equivalent of"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "getting recommended by your contractor."}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "One of the biggest opportunities came in"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "1980 though when traffickers approached"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "the undercover team about an incoming"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "shipment of about 27,000 lbs of"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "marijuana. According to federal court"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "records, the plan called for the"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "undercover agents to provide boats that"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "would meet the mother ship offshore and"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "move the marijuana into a dock facility"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "in Panama City, Florida. The traffickers"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "and agents spent days arranging the"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "operation, preparing vessels, and"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "figuring out how this enormous amount of"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "marijuana was going to quietly appear in"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "Florida. Then, the mother ship never"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "arrived. Nobody seemed to know exactly"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "what happened to it. And for a little"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "while, one of the biggest opportunities"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "in the investigation just disappeared"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "somewhere in the Caribbean."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "International narcotics traffickers"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "apparently suffer from the same problem"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "as getting a refrigerator delivered."}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "Your shipment will arrive sometime"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "between Tuesday and the end of"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "civilization. But the important thing"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "was that the traffickers still trusted"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "their new logistics crew. And a few"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "weeks later, they came back with another"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "job. The shipment was smaller, although"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "the definition of smaller gets pretty"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "generous once we're talking about 20,000"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "lb of marijuana. But this time, the"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "agents learned where the vessel would be"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "waiting offshore, and they covertly"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "passed that information to the Coast"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "Guard, which moved in and found those"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "20,000 lbs of marijuana on board. The"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "undercover agents could then remain"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "inside the trafficking network, while"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "another part of the government appeared"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "to have stumbled onto the shipment. That"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "became the basic rhythm of Operation"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "Grouper. The agents helped traffickers"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "plan smuggling operations, learned where"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "the drugs were moving and who was"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "involved, and then law enforcement would"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "just somehow arrive at exactly the right"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "place while the undercover crew remained"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "available for the next job. I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "after the third perfectly timed"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "interdiction, though, somebody somewhere"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "briefly thought, \"Man, we've we've had"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "terrible luck since hiring these new"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "guys.\" And then apparently moved on."}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "Some parts of the operation became even"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "more dangerous because the agents were"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "physically standing beside the very"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "traffickers while they prepared cocaine"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "for smuggling. DEA agent Thomas Weed"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "later testified about traveling to the"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "Bahamas where traffickers brought out"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "two suitcases containing what they said"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "were about 5 kilos of cocaine. Officer"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "Weed then watched them carry the cocaine"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "down to a 24- ft speedboat, open"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "concealed sections in the deck, and they"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "packed the drugs inside before"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "fiberglassing everything shut and"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "painting over the compartments so they"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "blended into the rest of the vessel."}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "Federal court testimony describes"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "Officer Weed standing there while the"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "hidden cocaine compartments were"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "constructed. Imagine trying to maintain"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "casual conversation during that. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "Yeah. The fiberglass looks good. You"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "guys doing anything this weekend?"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "Customs later tracked the boat returning"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "from the Bahamas and they seized it over"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "an immigration and customs violation."}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "Agents searched the hidden compartments"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "and found about over 1 kg of cocaine,"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "close to two. Then investigators came up"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "with a way to preserve the much larger"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "operation. They removed the real cocaine"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "and then replaced it with substitute"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "material and eventually released the"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "boat back to its original owner after he"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "paid a $1,500 fine. From the smuggler's"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "perspective, he'd experienced a deeply"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "annoying run-in with customs, and"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "somehow managed to get his boat back."}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "From the government's perspective,"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "federal agents had located his secret"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "drug compartment, seized his cocaine,"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "filled them with fake cocaine, and then"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "politely returned the vessel so that he"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "could continue incriminating himself. 6"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "days later, traffickers were already"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "discussing another shipment. And that's"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "what really made Operation Grouper work,"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "I think, because every successful job"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "created more trust. And that trust kept"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "pulling investigators further into"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "networks that stretched well beyond"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "South Florida. DEA's historical account"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "says that the trafficking organizations"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "penetrated during Operation Grouper were"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "moving drugs through routes reaching as"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "far north as New York and Maine. By the"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "time authorities finally started rolling"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "everything up, over 150 people had been"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "indicted and over 120 arrested."}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "Authorities seized more than a billion"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "dollars worth of drugs along with 30"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "boats. two aircraft and roughly a"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "million dollars in cash and millions"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "more in assets. All because nine federal"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "agents convinced these smugglers that"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "yes, absolutely these were the guys you"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "could call whenever several tons of"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "illegal cocaine needed to be"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "mysteriously appeared in Florida. And"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "that basic idea would keep showing up"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "again and again in this undercover"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "investigations. Over time though, the"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "infrastructure criminals depended on"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "changed. And by the 1980s, a trafficker"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "desperately needed boats, docks, and"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "trustworthy people to unload them. And"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "international organizations later needed"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "bankers capable of moving millions of"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "dollars around without developing a"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "sudden interest in federal reporting"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "requirements. By the late 2010s,"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "virtually every part of an international"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "criminal organization depended on"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "something else entirely. They depended"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "on secure communications. Everybody"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "needed a phone that they believed the"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "police couldn't read. and that created"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "one of the strangest opportunities for"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "federal investigators that they'd ever"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "seen. Eventually, the FBI found a way to"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "get inside the phone itself. The story"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "begins in 2018 with a Canadian encrypted"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "phone company called Phantom Secure,"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "which sold modified devices specifically"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "designed around secure communications"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "with many normal smartphone functions"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "removed, encrypted messaging installed"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "and administrators capable of remotely"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "wiping the phone if police seized it,"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "which means if you got arrested, you"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "could from another device completely"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "wipe it so that the police couldn't get"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "into it. The FBI estimated Phantom"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "Secure had somewhere around 20,000 users"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "worldwide, including members of major"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "international criminal organizations."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "Welcome to the modern drug trade, where"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "cartel members get annoyed when the"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "group chat isn't secure enough. And by"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "March 2018, federal authorities"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "dismantled Phantom Secure and arrested"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "its CEO. That solved one problem and"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "immediately created another because"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "thousands of people involved in"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "organized crimes still needed a way to"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "communicate. And so they started"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "searching for new encrypted platforms"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "that law enforcement couldn't penetrate."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "Around the same time, a confidential"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "source connected to encrypted phone"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "industry had access to another encrypted"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "communications platform called Anam or"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "Anom. Working with the Australian"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "Federal Police, the FBI developed a"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "system that allowed investigators to"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "secretly obtain messages sent through"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "the platform while the people using Anom"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "believed that their conversations were"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "secure. So, the FBI would eventually"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "turn this into what's called Operation"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "Trojan Shield, a reference, of course,"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "to the Trojan horse sneaking its way in."}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "Okay, now that they had a secure"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "communications platform, they still"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "needed criminals to trust it. And you"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "obviously couldn't just run an Instagram"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "ad that says, \"Hey, cartel leaders love"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "our secure messaging. Police absolutely"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "cannot read this. Use promo code El"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "Chapo for 20% off your first device.\" So"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "anom spread through criminal networks"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "the same way that trust usually spreads"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "inside those communities. Personal"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "recommendations. The influencers of the"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "cartel world, if you will. People"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "already connected to the encrypted phone"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "business started distributing Anom"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "devices to individuals inside"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "established cartel criminal"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "organizations. And those users then"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "turned around and recommended the"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "platform to other criminal people that"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "they trusted. Each successful"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "introduction slowly gave Anom, which is"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "really a police asset, more credibility,"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "and as more criminals joined, the"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "network became more useful because the"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "people they wanted to communicate with"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "were now using the same service. What"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "happened here was that the criminals"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "basically became Anom's entire marketing"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "department for them. So, they didn't"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "even realize that they were using an FBI"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "messaging app. According to the FBI,"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "more than 12,000 of their secretly anom"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "devices eventually circulated among over"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "300 criminal syndicates operating in"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "more than 100 countries, including"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "international narcotics organizations,"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "outlaw motorcycle gangs, organized crime"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "groups across Europe, Australia, and the"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "Americas, not just the cartels. So,"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "every new user believed that they joined"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "this secure criminal encrypted network"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "built to keep the police out. Instead,"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "investigators were secretly gaining"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "access to an enormous stream of criminal"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "communications. And once everybody"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "became comfortable inside these criminal"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "groups, people stopped being shy about"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "what they said. And I'm not just talking"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "about the type of slurs that they used."}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "Users discussed drug shipments, money"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "laundering, weapons, and planned"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "violence openly for the feds to read"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "about. They exchanged photographs and"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "talked through their ordinary daily"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "business of running international"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "criminal organizations. meanwhile"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "sharing all that proof with authorities"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "who were secretly watching it all on the"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "back end. All inside of this platform"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "that they had specifically chosen,"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "ironically, because they believed"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "investigators couldn't see what they"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "were doing on this platform. This was"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "MSAD levels of deception. The amount of"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "information eventually became almost"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "ridiculous. The FBI's San Diego field"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "office became a major hub for more than"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "a 100 agents and analysts working"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "alongside roughly 80 different linguists"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "because the bureau had successfully"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "created the extremely modern problem of"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "infiltrating so many international"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "criminals that they needed a small"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "corporation just to keep up with all"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "their text messages. Really first world"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "criminal investigation problems. Over"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "the life of this Trojan horse"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "investigation, investigators collected"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "more than 27 million messages, many of"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "them very incriminating. And now the FBI"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "had another problem. They were sometimes"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "watching crimes develop in real time"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "while trying to protect the fact that"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "Anom itself had been compromised. It was"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "like having broken the Nazi codes of"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "World War II and not knowing when to act"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "on the information without giving up"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "that you knew what these organizations"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "are doing in their communications. If"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "investigators saw a narcotic shipment,"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "for instance, was being organized, they"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "could follow the network and decide when"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "to intervene. But if somebody started"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "discussing murdering someone, law"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "enforcement couldn't exactly sit around"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "waiting for another 6 months because the"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "intelligence operation was going really"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "well. So authorities had to intervene in"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "immediate threats while protecting the"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "larger investigation and capabilities,"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "sometimes using information from their"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "anom secretly to help local law"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "enforcement discover the crime through"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "some other fake investigative path. So,"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "the FBI occasionally had to figure out"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "how to save somebody's life while also"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "pretending it had absolutely no idea why"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "officers had suddenly shown up at"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "exactly the right place at the right"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "time. So, Operation Trojan Shield"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "continued till June 2021. So, what"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "happened to it? When police agencies"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "around the world finally revealed at"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "that time what had been happening and"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "they launched coordinated arrests, the"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "numbers were just absolutely enormous."}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "So, they basically went for broke here."}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "If you're going to give up this major"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "asset, then you're going to have to"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "really go and try to get everyone."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "According to later Justice Department"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "figures, Operation Trojan Shield"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "ultimately contributed to about 1,200"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "arrests, seizures of more than 12 tons"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "of cocaine, and around 3 tons of"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "methamphetamine, 300 firearms, and $58"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "million in illicit currency. Authorities"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "also dismantled more than 50 clandestine"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "drug laboratories and information"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "obtained through Anom helped disrupt"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "more than 150 threats to people's lives."}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "Imagine opening the news that morning"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "and slowly doom scrolling backward"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "through years of your own message"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "history. Trojan Shield represents a"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "pretty incredible evolution from the"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "other operations that we've looked at so"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "far with Anam. Thousands of criminals"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "gradually brought themselves into the"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "undercover operation here. That case"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "shows the worst possible consequences."}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "But sometimes the way into the cartel is"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "through its money. And one DEA agent"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "spent years convincing an international"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "launderer that he was the most useful"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "criminal contact that he'd ever met. A"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "man named Daniel Sha Zilka, better known"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "in the criminal world as the Englishman,"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "receives what appears to be a fantastic"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "new business connection. In 2015, Zilka"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "was living in Mexico City and working"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "with international drug trafficking"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "organizations that needed huge amounts"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "of dirty cash move through the financial"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "system. His new contact presented"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "himself as somebody who understood"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "exactly how to do that. But the new guy"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "was an undercover DEA agent in reality."}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "The DEA had never publicly identified"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "the agent, which is probably a sign he"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "was better at protecting his cover than"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "everyone posting their entire resume on"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "LinkedIn. But we'll call him Agent Carl."}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "According to the federal court records,"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "the undercover agent Carl approached"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "Zilka while posing as a professional"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "money launderer. Zilka eventually"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "explained that he had a client in Europe"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "who needed hundreds of millions of"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "dollars moved into Mexico. He even had a"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "potential financial vehicle by using the"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "bank account of a supposed charity in"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "Dallas, Texas. So, the DEA agent Carl"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "agreed to help him. Agent Carl had to"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "demonstrate that his fake laundering"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "operation actually functioned. So, he"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "allowed Zilka access to bank accounts"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "connected with cash intensive business,"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "giving the network places where large"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "deposits could blend into supposedly"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "legitimate revenue. Soon, Zilka and his"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "associates were arranging pickups of"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "narcotics money in cities across"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "America. Cash would be moved through"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "that laundering system. One account was"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "held in the name of a supposed charity"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "called the Peace Through Water"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "Foundation, which is an incredibly"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "wholesome name for an organization that"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "federal prosecutors say was being used"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "to wash drug money. Nothing suspicious"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "here. Everybody, please continue"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "enjoying the water. Between 2015 and"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "2017, prosecutors proved that Martinez"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "alone laundered some more than $15"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "million. Zilka and the others received"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "commissions based on the amount of money"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "that they moved. The psychology at work"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "here is different from walking into a"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "room full of armed cartel members. The"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "FBI agent Carl needed to look competent"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "because criminal money laundering runs"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "on reputation and reliability. Then in"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "2019, the case took a bizarre turn."}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "Zilka actually approached the DEA and"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "offered to cooperate against the"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "laundering network. The man who had"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "unknowingly been doing business secretly"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "with a DEA agent, Carl, was now"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "officially offering to work with the"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "DEA. Investigators gave him $200,000 in"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "real government money. His assignment"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "was to deliver it to another member of"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "the network, Jeffrey Mark Thompson, who"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "would launder it through his bank"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "accounts and send it back into a DEA"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "controlled account. So, he delivered the"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "cash thinking in his own head that he"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "was sending it to a criminal"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "organization. Then, roughly two weeks"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "later, according to prosecutors, he went"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "back to Thompson's house and secretly"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "took 150,000 of it back for himself."}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "Zilka had gone from being infiltrated by"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "the DEA to cooperating with the DEA to"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "allegedly stealing the DEA's own"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "undercover money while cooperating with"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "them. He was speedunning federal"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "charges. He then reportedly lied to"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "agents and offered excuses for why the"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "full $200,000 hadn't returned."}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "Unfortunately for him, the people asking"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "where the missing money went were"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "professional narcotics investigators who"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "had spent years secretly investigating"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "him. The operation finally caught up"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "with him and Zilka was taken into"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "federal custody in May 2023 and plead"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "guilty to drug distribution conspiracy"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "charges. Then on November 4th, 2024, a"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "federal judge sentenced him to 87 months"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "in prison, ordering him to repay that"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "missing $150,000"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "and added a $50,000 fine. Two other"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "defendants were also convicted, and"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "somewhere out there is still an unnamed"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "DEA agent that we called Carl, who spent"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "years pretending to be a criminal"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "moneyaunderer on this investigation. By"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "this point, we've seen what undercover"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "cartel work looks like today. But a lot"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "of this playbook was being figured out"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "decades earlier when American agents"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "were learning just how far they could"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "take a fake identity before the person"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "underneath basically disappears. And and"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "one of the guys who pushed that further"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "than almost anyone else, I think, is"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "Robert Maer. This guy got to have more"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "fun than any other law enforcement agent"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "in history. And you're about to see why."}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "It was the mid1 1980s and the Medí"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "cartel was at the height of its power."}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "US law enforcement determined that a"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "good way of infiltrating the cartel was"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "through its extensive money laundering,"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "specifically to have an agent act like a"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "businessman who could launder money."}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "Robert Maer was chosen for the job of"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "being the central undercover in"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "Operation Sea Chase. At the time, he was"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "a customs agent who also had 11 years of"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "experience working at the IRS"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "intelligence division, the bureau that"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "collects all of the revenue from taxes."}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "He had an accounting background and he"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "had worked in a bank. He was an expert"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "in laundering money. They had also"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "determined that Maer had an incredibly"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "strong moral compass, which was very"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "important for the position that this"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "undercover operation would put him in."}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "In 1986, after deciding on the plan, he"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "spent a year and a half building his"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "fake persona. Under his new persona, he"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "opened up new bank accounts and credit"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "cards and built up an entire work resume"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "and reputation among the banking"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "community. In the intelligence world,"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "they call this building a legend. Much"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "like McGawan in the first story, Maer"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "said the key was not making a fake"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "personality out of thin air, but instead"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "being the same person as he already was,"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "just a criminal version of it. He said"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "him and his fake identity were both born"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "around the same time in New York City"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "metropolitan area to Italian-American"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "parents. He said, quote, \"We were both"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "college educated and had a background in"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "administration and finance, worked in"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "banks, and grew up in neighborhoods"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "where people had experienced the"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "Italian-American underworld.\" End quote."}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "It goes to show how much different"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "creating a fake backstory was back then"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "compared to the social media world of"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "today. He had informants in the criminal"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "world spread a fake reputation about his"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "personality, and eventually Maer emerged"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "into the heart of the Colombian criminal"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "world. The reason that strong moral"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "compass was so important is because he"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "had to appear incredibly wealthy in"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "order to play the part of a Fidian"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "businessman who could launder these vast"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "sums of money for the cartels. So his"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "fake persona had homes in Tampa and"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "Miami, a luxury condo in Manhattan next"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "to Central Park, and his fake persona"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "owned a series of jewelry stores all"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "across Florida. And all of these"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "provided by the government as cover. He"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "would take fellow money launderers and"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "drug dealers around to all of his fancy"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "properties in Florida and then fly them"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "up to New York on his private jet. At"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "the airport, a private limo would pick"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "them up and drive them right to Wall"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "Street, where there was a brokerage firm"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "that supposedly was being run by his"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "cousin, who was in fact another"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "undercover FBI agent. Maer would take"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "his clients on a tour of the New York"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "City stock exchange floor. Then later"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "he'd take them to incredibly expensive"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "restaurants and to private social clubs"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "run by the mob. It was all part of this"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "elaborate ruse to convince the drug"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "lords and other money launderers that he"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "was the real deal. It worked. His"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "clients would solicit him to launder"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "tens of millions of dollars eventually."}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "But then it almost all blew up in his"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "face. One day he was meeting one of the"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "largest smugglers of cocaine for the"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "Medí cartel in a luxury hotel in"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "Manhattan. This man was notorious for"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "having business partners that"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "mysteriously disappeared. He had advised"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "Maer to have his competition killed to"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "secure a greater share of the market."}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "The man had an armed bodyguard. He was"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "not the type of person that you wanted"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "to mess around with. Certainly not the"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "type of person that you wanted to find"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "out that you were a cop. They were in"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "the lobby of the hotel where Maer heard"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "somebody shout out Bob. And at this"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "point, his decision to have his false"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "undercover name be the same first name"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "as his actual name might have saved his"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "life. The man who had called over to him"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "was a launderer who Maser had briefly"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "put behind bars on a previous undercover"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "operation, but Maer had been the primary"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "witness against him in court. So, the"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "man obviously found out that he was law"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "enforcement. Despite being the one who"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "put him in jail, Maer apparently"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "established a decent relationship with"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "him and convinced him over the years to"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "cooperate with the government in"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "exchange for a shorter sentence. But in"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "this moment, the man could accidentally"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "get him killed and tip off that he was"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "an undercover agent. All it would take"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "is saying just one wrong thing. Mer"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "quickly ran over to him, hugged him,"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "saying, quote, \"I'm under again,"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "Charlie. Play along.\" The man from the"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "Meahadian cartel was right next to them."}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "Now, this man could get him killed on"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "purpose if he wanted to take revenge for"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "his time in prison. Instead, the man"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "played along and said that the boys in"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "Vegas missed him and they should all"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "catch up. Literally a scene out of a"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "movie. I didn't know a career in the IRS"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "and customs could lead to such a James"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "Bond lifestyle. Having had a close brush"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "with a bad ending there, Maser made his"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "way right into the middle of the world's"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "largest drug laundering operation. In"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "addition to the cartels, the target of"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "the investigation was the Bank of Credit"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "and Commerce International. At the time,"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "it was the seventh largest private bank"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "in the entire world. It was also just"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "one massive laundering and fraud"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "operation. The entire bank, the seventh"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "largest private bank in the world was"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "just this big fraud scheme. Seems pretty"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "crazy, but then it's easy to forget just"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "how much dirty money there was out"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "there. Forbes declared Pablo Escobar to"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "be the seventh wealthiest man in the"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "world in 1989. In today's dollars, he"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "was worth about 80 billion. And that's"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "not too far off from Bill Gates. At what"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "point do you say, \"H, I'm richer than"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "essentially everyone who has ever lived."}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "Maybe I should stop this life of crime.\""}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "But having that much dirty money isn't"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "very helpful if you can't spend it. So,"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "the Bank of Credit and Commerce"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "International had that job. And it had"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "been infiltrated by Maser. Now that he"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:11", "text": "had an established reputation in the"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "laundering community, he was ready to"}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "deal with the big leagues. He met with"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "Santiago Uribe, the primary attorney and"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "adviser to Pablo Escobar. Uribe would"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "continually have officials in Colombia's"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "government assassinated. As if that"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "wasn't good enough company, Maer also"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "began laundering for the two men Escobar"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "had placed in charge of the management"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "of the cocaine smuggling routes. Both of"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "them were eventually hung by their feet"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "and tortured to death by Escobar for"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "keeping too much of the money for"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "themselves. Yes, great business partners"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "to have indeed. During this time, Maer"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "kept up the facade of an incredibly"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "wealthy businessman going in full swing."}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "Beside meeting with murderers and having"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "business partners that got tortured to"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "death, it was a downright pe lifestyle"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "we're talking about. For 2 years, he and"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "another undercover agent acted as a"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "couple on one long bender. They partied"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "in hotels that were about $4,000 a night"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "in today's money. They drank bottles of"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "the world's finest champagne, drove"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "Rolls-Royce convertibles, and flew in"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "private jets, all on the government's"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "dime. And we're talking about millions"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "of dollars spent on this undercover"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "operation to make it seem legit. Maser"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "wore the fanciest Armani suits. And the"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "Colombian cartels probably thought,"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "\"Hey, these guys couldn't possibly be"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "cops. No way the Americans and their"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "government would spend this much on"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "private jets for years. Never"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "underestimate the willingness of the"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "United States to spend our tax dollars"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "like a drunken sailor. Note to self,"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "work for the IRS in order to fly private"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "jets and live like the world's elite.\""}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "By the end of the two years, Maer had"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "become close friends with several of the"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "largest names in international"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "moneyaundering and within the Medí"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "cartel. It was time to use that trust"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "for a massive strike to leverage"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "everything he had built and dump it. He"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "had the undercover partner that was"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "playing his girlfriend say that they"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "were getting married. They invited all"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "their new friends to this red wedding at"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "one of the nicest country clubs. The"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "night before the wedding, all the"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "targets were pulled aside and told that"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "there was a secret bachelor party being"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "thrown for Maer. Of course, none of his"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "new buddies would miss out on such an"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "opportunity. They were taken to private"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "limos waiting for them, which drove them"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "to a hotel. And then boom, law"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "enforcement came in and cleaned house,"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "arresting the core of the Median"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "cartel's moneyaundering empire and"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "bringing the world's seventh largest"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "private bank to the ground in one fell"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "swoop. Later all the bad guys were being"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "tried in the same courtroom. All their"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "families had come. It was standing room"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "only. In walks the primary witness and"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "the families of the accused were shocked"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "with faces of disgust. It was Robert"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "Maer. Maer was testifying against some"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "of the most powerful people and"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "dangerous criminals in the entire world."}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "So he had this massive target on his"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "back. To remind everyone, the Meadian"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "cartel was notorious for having"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "witnesses and judges killed at the time."}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "Testifying against Escobar was one of"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "the most dangerous things you could"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "possibly do. They even assassinated a"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "minister of justice who was"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "investigating them. No one was beyond"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "their reach. Luckily for Maer, he had"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "already made another fake identity. He"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "and his family assumed a new life under"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "this new identity, and they sold their"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "house and moved to the Bahamas while"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "cutting off communication with everyone"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "from their previous lives. But Maser"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "still had to appear in court. So when it"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "came time to testify, he would show up"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "with a full security detail. And when he"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "went to London to testify there, he even"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "slept in the London City Police"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "Headquarters because they considered the"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "threat against him to be so great. When"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "he had to go from the police"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "headquarters to the court, he would use"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "London Undergrounds tunnel system that"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "connects government buildings. Maser"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "proved that an undercover agent building"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:50", "text": "a fake life convincing enough could get"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "invited to the cartel's financial inner"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "circle and really just like invited"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "straight into their family homes. But"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:58", "text": "the next case pushed that even further"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "because the agent was actually helping"}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "move the cocaine itself and he would"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "stay inside that world for six long"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "years. Long enough that the fake"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "identity stopped being a temporary cover"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "and basically became his life. Operation"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "Sea Chase was a massive blow to the"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "cartels. It had the effect of further"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "fracturing them and breaking them into"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "smaller groups. But it wasn't even the"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "only time that US law enforcement was"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "able to infiltrate deep into the cartels"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "and hit them hard from the inside."}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "There's another crazy story about FBI"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "agent Martinez Suarez, who holds the FBI"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "record for the longest continual period"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "working undercover at 6 years. and he"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "was actually the only FBI agent in"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "history to get inside the Meadian cartel"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "itself by working as one of its main"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "smugglers. Over four years, he smuggled"}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "1 billion worth of cocaine, all to which"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "the FBI likes to say was eventually"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "seized. It all started in 1988 with an"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "FBI plan to get one of their own hired"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "as a smuggler for Escobar's empire. To"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "do this, they chose Martin Suarez with"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "his skills on the high seas from his"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "time in the US Navy and with street"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "smarts from growing up in Puerto Rico,"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "which also meant he was a native Spanish"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "speaker, of course, was very helpful."}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "The FBI paired him up with one of their"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "informants in the cartel, a pilot who"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "had done plenty of smuggling already at"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "that point. He gave Suarez this crash"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "course on how to smuggle drugs while the"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "FBI set up an import export business for"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "him, which would be his cover. As seems"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "to be the case with all these undercover"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "guys on taxpayer dollars, he also needed"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "to have all of the most expensive"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "clothes and amenities that money could"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "possibly buy. He drove a collection of"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "luxury cars that the FBI bought,"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "including a gold Porsche 1928, and a"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "Bentley Continental. He said he had the"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "finest European linen, Italian slacks,"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "highquality denim, cowboy boots,"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "tropical fedoras, and a diamondstudded"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "Rolex. To complete the vibe, I put more"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "swagger in my step. I ratcheted up my"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "cockiness.\" End quote. Man, besides"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "dealing with all the murderers, this"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "sounds like pretty sweet gig. Suarez"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "quickly established a drug running"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "kingdom in southern Florida, and the"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "cartels quickly recognized him as one of"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "the top dogs in the industry. He had the"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "boats, the crew, and the cojones to"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "smuggle bulk product. So, he started"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "running drugs for the cartels. One time,"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "he ran an op that was the largest the"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "FBI had handled at the time. He was"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "going to smuggle 3,000 lbs of 95% pure"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "cocaine at a total street value of $500"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "million. In the middle of the night, he"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "parked a 100 ft lobster boat and a fast"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "36- ft fishing boat off Cuba's coast."}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "Then, with satellite phones and radio,"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "they communicated with an incoming plane"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "from the cartels. The sea became"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "incredibly violent the time, and the"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "small fishing boat started taking on"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "tons of water to the verge of almost"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "sinking. But then the plane skirted over"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "the boats and dropped 3000 lb bags of"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "cocaine. If the massive bags hit the"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "boat directly, it'd be lights out for"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "anyone on board. But luckily for the"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "crew, they only had close calls. Then"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "the fishing boats picked up the line of"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "bags with their attached glow sticks"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "like one overly happy Pac-Man. It was"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "still pitch black out though, so it was"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "no easy task. But they were able to"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "eventually get each of the bags. It was"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "the first time that the FBI had been"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "able to arrange an airdrop from one of"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "the cartels. He told the cartels that"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "the boat would hang out at sea for a"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "full week in case any of it had been"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "seen by the authorities, except that the"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "boats and crew were actually all FBI"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "undercovers. The boats were kitted out"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "with surveillance gear and immediately"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "returned to port. Then they handed it"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "off to the cartel's men in Miami. But"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "during the raid, the FBI came in and"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "detained everybody. According to Suarez,"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "they were somehow able to do this in a"}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "way that didn't implicate him. Back at"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "the FBI office, they took this crazy"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "photo on a couch made of all the cocaine"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "bags. After this successful operation,"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "Suarez went to work for the North Coast"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "Cartel of Colombia, specifically for its"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "financial boss, El Toro Negro, or the"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "Black Bull. To do this, he relocates to"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "a native island of Puerto Rico, which"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "was a major hub of moving drugs through"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "the Caribbean. There he works his way"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "into the laundering operations of the"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "North Coast cartel. One time he was"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "discussing operations with El Toro"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "Negro. The cartel boss said to him,"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "quote, \"We're all going to make a lot of"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "money together, but if I smell something"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "bad at any time, I can reach across the"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "world and tap you on the shoulder.\" End"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "quote. Not exactly what you want to hear"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "in Suarez's position. But then it got a"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "lot scarier from there. He was meeting"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "with one of the golf cartel traffickers"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "known as the crazy one and his wife for"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "dinner one time when the wife whispered"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "to them, \"We should get out of here."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "Those two guys over there, they're feds."}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "I can smell a cop from a mile away.\" She"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "was referring to the men at the bar. And"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "she was right. They were Suarez's men"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "there for surveillance. That would make"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "me break out and sweat for sure. By"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "1992, Suarez had $12 million of cartel"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "money in his accounts that he was"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "washing for them. The FBI decided that"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "it was then time to drop the hammer, and"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "they unsealed an indictment against 52"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "members of the cartel and those washing"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "money for them. In the indictment"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "document, one key name is missing, that"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "of Suarez himself, or at least that of"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "his fake persona, Manny. That makes it"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "obvious that he was a traitor. Well,"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "time to see how long the arm of Black"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "Toro really is. Then, 3 days after the"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "arrest, Suarez is still in Puerto Rico"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "and is coming home from his morning run."}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "He gets back to his house and then felt"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:48", "text": "a gun pressed to the back of his head."}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "El Toro Negro kept his promise. Suarez"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "spins and attempts to knock the gun out"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "of his hands. He fails, but manages to"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "push the hitman to the ground. He ran"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "into his house and retrieved his pistol."}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "The two exchanged fire in a firefight"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "and eventually the cartel hitman must"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "have decided it wasn't worth it and he"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "bailed. He was found and arrested by"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "police soon afterward. Suarez was"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "uninjured except for a scratch on his"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "face from the tussle. One damn close"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "call if you ask me. But he managed to"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "live another day. And El Toro Negro who"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "went underground and whose true identity"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "has never been revealed has never been"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "heard from since. Perhaps he's still out"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "there. or perhaps he ended up like most"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "drug lords. What all these cases really"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "show though is that the most important"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "tool in undercover work is still the"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "person doing it. The most important"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "thing is the ability to stay calm, read"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "people, build trust, and keep"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "functioning while knowing one mistake"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "can end everything. It's part of the"}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "reason why I think these drug cartels"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "torture these people who turn out to"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "betray them in such theatrical"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "extravagant ways as a way to deter"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "people from even trying this because it"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "really does bring down entire"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "organizations. And in a world where fake"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "identities are getting harder to build"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "and easier to investigate, the agents"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "doing this today are probably operating"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "under more pressure than any generation"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "before them. which makes me wonder how"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "many operations against the cartel are"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "happening right now as we speak that we"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "won't learn about until years to come."}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "If you want to learn more, then check"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "out this episode about how the cartel is"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "coming under more military pressure and"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "Mexico's politicians are being targeted."}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "I'm Chris Cappy and I'll see you guys in"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "the next transmission."}]

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And then next"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "week we're seeing new AI assisted"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "robotic gun turrets shooting down"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Russia's jet drones. Like that's even a"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "normal sentence to say. Lower enlisted"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "soldiers are going online to vent their"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "frustration over the slow pace of change"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "in the US Army, saying, quote, \"If you"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "go to the majority of infantry units,"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "they can't even tell you what an FPV"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "drone is, let alone how it would affect"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "their operations, very rarely does"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "anyone actually do anti- drone"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "training.\" I'm hearing from troops that"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "army leadership across every"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "administration from the past 10 years"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "has been too riskadverse because being"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "unprepared is a bipartisan effort."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "leadership is unwilling to make any"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "changes because they're worried about"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "being wrong. At least they've never been"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "wrong before. And I think part of the"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "problem is really that it's time for the"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "American Infantry Platoon to finally be"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "fundamentally reorganized from the"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "ground up for the first time in nearly a"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "century. Because otherwise, piling on"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "more and more responsibilities and"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "weapon systems onto the same 9man"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "infantry squad without giving them more"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "soldiers or more pay is a huge mistake."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "But the million-dollar question is how"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "to radically change without making it"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "radically worse. 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And while a lieutenant"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "colonel wrote a whole paper on how the"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "army should be actually replacing an"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "entire rifle squad in every single"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "platoon with a dedicated drone squad."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "This is a problem soldiers have been"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "warning about for years that no one has"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "been listening to. So maybe I'll shout"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "it into the ether for them. 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And I think his reasoning is"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "fascinating because he says back in"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "1946, army leadership concluded that one"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "squad leader could only effectively"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "control eight of his soldiers using"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "voice commands and hand signals because"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "there's only so loud that you can yell"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "at Private Carl. So that's one reason"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "that we ended up with the nine-man squad"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "that we still use today in the army. But"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "now we have all these new fancy radios,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "drones, and instant digital"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "communications and GPS that allow"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "soldiers to communicate and stop"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "privates from doing stupid [ __ ] across"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "much greater distances. Yet, we are"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "still using this old organization of"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "nine-man squads while at the same time"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "piling on more and more responsibilities"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "and weapon systems since the 1940s. In"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "fact, the average soldier today carries"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "122 lbs, sometimes much more, compared"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "to the 80 lbs on average in the 1940s."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "And this is one problem that just"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "getting swollen, taking peptides can't"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "solve. That's why Major Kamar proposes"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "expanding squads to 12 soldiers each by"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "adding a dedicated threeman technical"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "nerd team that specializes in"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "reconnaissance and attack drones,"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "robotics, and electronic warfare, the"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "main pillars of modern warfare that are"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "being added on since the 1940s. He also"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "argues the morbid point that these"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "larger squads could better absorb more"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "casualties. There's precedent for this."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "It's not insane. The US Marines already"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "used 13-man rifle squads with three fire"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "teams, which I think is worth looking"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "at. And it wouldn't be the first time"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "the Army stolen ideas from the Marines"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "before and called it our own. If you"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "look at how China is adapting their"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "regular infantry, they've ordered"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "production of 1 million kamicazi"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "lightweight drones in a single year,"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "which is something that now keeps me up"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "at night along with my crippling"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "anxiety. According to local language"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "publications, China's army is"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "experimenting with making trained drone"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "operators a regular part of the infantry"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "platoon. And at the same time, they're"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "also creating dedicated UAV specific"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "drone companies. This is all coming from"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "translating their local language sources"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "from PLA daily. The People's Liberation"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "Army is running a systematic effort"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "right now to convert the battlefield"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "lessons from the war in Ukraine to an"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "advantage. And this is according to the"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Center for Strategic and International"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Studies. The way China's infantry worked"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "for many years was that they used this"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "three three rule, the rule of threes, so"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "three teams of three. Now, Chinese"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "analysts described the war in Ukraine as"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "a living textbook and called it 2024,"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "the year 1 of World War Drone, which"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "sounds like the worst foreign film"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "that'll definitely end up winning an"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Oscar somehow. And by March 2025, the"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "PLA Daily claimed that a strike drone"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "costs less than 1% of a modern fighter"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "jet while at the same time achieving"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "more than 90% of its battlefield"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "coverage. Look at what they need to"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "mimic a fraction of our power. According"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "to China's National Defense University"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "Joint Operations College, Russian forces"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "can strike a detected target within as"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "fast as three minutes instead of the"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "hours that it took in past wars. And so"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "the point of all of this is that Chinese"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "military is also trying to undergo a"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "massive change to their fundamental"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "infantry platoon organization, the"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "building block, the backbone of any"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "military and its power. And the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "frustration is reaching the lower"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "enlisted ranks of the US Army infantry"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "where I used to slum around. In recent"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "posts on a forum, a soldier titled his"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "post, quote, \"We suck at drones.\" He"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "says in it, quote, \"Every drone program"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "is ran by some idiot who flew Blackhawk"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "helicopters or a shadow drone 15 years"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "ago. And also, the amount of regulations"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "put on drones is [ __ ] stupid and you"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "need Jesus himself to come down and"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "approve any training. The way he talks"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "with zero given is a dead giveaway that"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "he is actually in the army.\" Hearing"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "there is still fake and gay restrictions"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "on drone training in 2026 is"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "unacceptable. And it's not even the good"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "kind of gay where you get closer with"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "your squad. The fact that they can't"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "even cut the red tape for soldiers to"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "practice drone warfare is nuts."}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Leadership is probably worried an"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "endangered bird species will get hit by"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "a drone on the range and they'll get"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "demoted to twostar general. US Army"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Captain Matthew Stanford and First"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Lieutenant Shepler took a different"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "approach for US Army platoon"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "organization. In July 2026, they wrote"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "an article that was published in the"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "Army's own infantry journal and they"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "described lessons learned from their"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "unit in the second cavalry regiment."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "They actually reorganized their troops"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "based directly on lessons from the war"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "in Ukraine and how troops in Ukraine are"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "doing it. Insane, I know. In March 2025,"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "they converted their third conventional"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "platoon into a dedicated drone strike"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "platoon. That formation included a"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "nine-man drone squad with eight"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "specialized operators who were divided"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "into two teams. They operated alongside"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "mortars. And this is what I think is a"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "great idea. have the drone element be"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "like a mortar platoon attachment. But"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "their experiment also revealed problems"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "with drone supplies, spare parts, and"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "specialized training that was needed to"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "keep everything operating because"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "something has to screw everything up"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "always. Now, think about what happened"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "during the industrial revolution when"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "there were new forms of transportation"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "like railroads really expanding and mass"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "production expanding and new weapons"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "transforming warfare in just a few short"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "years. Armies had to fundamentally"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "rethink how their soldiers fought. And"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "those armies that adapted too slowly,"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "they paid for it with thousands of"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "lives. You guys, I think we're watching"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "a similar technological revolution"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "unfolding today. And we're seeing it"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "play out in war in Ukraine, in the war"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "in Iran, across Africa, and the Middle"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "East right now. It's already having huge"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "consequences for the balance of power."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "And this brings us to the US Army"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "Lieutenant Colonel Antonio Selenus and"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "military doctrine instructor, drone"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "instructor Jason Le, who argues for"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "possibly the most radical solution to"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "the infantry platoon yet, saying that"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "FPV drones are creating one of the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "biggest revolutions in land warfare in"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "centuries. His proposal is suggesting to"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "keep two conventional rifle squads and"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "the heavy weapon squad, but then you"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "replace that third regular rifle squad"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "with a dedicated nine-man drone squad in"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "every single god-loving platoon. The new"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "squad would have four twoman teams. So,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "one of those teams handles counter drone"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "operations while two specialized in"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "attack drones. And then the fourth team"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "conducts reconnaissance and helps"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "coordinate supporting fires. And that's"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "just one dedicated squad. I believe this"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "may be where it eventually ends up going"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "once drone technology has evolved far"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "enough to become easy enough for every"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "one of us grunts who have a room"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "temperature IQ to operate. But I tried"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "flying a digital FPV drone once and I"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "crashed it immediately. I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "we're there yet. It probably needs to be"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "a specialized company at this point. But"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "either way, Lieutenant Colonel's warning"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "is clear. He says, quote, \"We cannot"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "wait for the next war to write the"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "doctrine.\" They compare it to the"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "introduction of early firearms in the"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "1500s when the Spanish infantry"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "developed a formation called the tersio"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "which combined infantry armed with these"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "long pikes, spears, and early firearms"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "like an ancient version of medieval"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "combined arms warfare. And it helped the"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "Spanish just dominate European"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "battlefields for generations, causing my"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "Spanish heritage to tingle hearing that."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "So, Lieutenant Colonel Selenus believes"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "we're witnessing another revolution in"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "combined arms warfare because these"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "inexpensive FPV drones now give small"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "infantry formations access to precision"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "strikes that previously required support"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "from much larger units or even just air"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "support. So, what are the big changes"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "that the army is actually making to the"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "platoon right now as we speak here? The"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "army believes the infantry platoon now"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "needs to be able to survive without"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "resupply for long periods of time. All"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "while getting hit with killer drones,"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "armored vehicles, and being outnumbered"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "by an adversary like China. All without"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "being able to fall back on always being"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "able to call in air support to solve"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "every problem. So, the biggest changes"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "are being made in fourth squad, heavy"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "weapons squad. I used to be in fourth"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "squad when I was in the army. I have a"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "soft place in my heart for them. They're"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "the squad that carries the platoon's"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "heaviest guns, machine guns, and"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "missiles into battle. I tried talking"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "about this a few weeks ago, but YouTube"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "pulled the video down. But I think that"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "this topic is really important to talk"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "to you about. So, we're going to try one"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "more time. Traditionally called fort"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "squad or weapon squad, it's made up of"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "nine soldiers who are split into two gun"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "teams. They're cursed with the sacred"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "responsibility of carrying the heavy two"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "crews machine guns and anti-tank weapons"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "into battle. These are the weapons that"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "everybody suddenly becomes more"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "interested in when something with armor"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "and wheels shows up. In fact, the army"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "is now investing over $3 billion into"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "new weapon squad machine guns. So"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "they're adding two new beltfed machine"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "guns to the platoon. You got the M250"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "and the larger caliber MG338. Originally"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "the M250 was meant just to replace the"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "smaller caliber M249 SAW that is in the"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "other three maneuver squads in the"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "platoon. But just in the past year, the"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "Army's been doing something interesting"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "behind the scenes with the M250 that"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "indicates that that might no longer be"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "the case. They've been upgrading the"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "M250 based on feedback from soldiers who"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "are actually using it. And some of those"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "changes are interesting because they"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "make the weapon look less like this kind"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "of automatic rifle and more like an"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "actual crew serve machine gun. What do I"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "mean by that? Look at the newest and"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "biggest change to the M250. It now has a"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "quick change barrel for the first time."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "The original M250 didn't have the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "ability to rapidly swap out an"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "overheated barrel after you just went"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "full send for like 3 minutes in a row."}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "The new enhanced version has this. It"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "now has a hinged handguard that swings"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "out of the way so the gunner can just"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "quickly replace that barrel and keep on"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "firing. Hey, that's important because if"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "you want a machine gun providing"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "sustained fire for an entire platoon,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "thermodynamics remains undefeated even"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "by the US Army. An army doctrine calls"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "for about 100 rounds per minute during"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "sustained fire and after about 10"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "minutes. At that pace, you got to swap"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "barrels. Push it to rapid rate of course"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "at 200 rounds per minute and you're"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "changing barrels every two minutes. If"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "you really hate someone, you're going"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "cyclic. Doctrine calls for a barrel"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "change after only a minute. The army has"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "spent billions modernizing infantry"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "weapons and still cannot defeat the"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "concept of heat. The crew carries a"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "spare barrel specifically so one cools"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "while the other keeps the gun firing."}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "The actual swap only takes seconds and"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "weapon squad team practice it all the"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "time. Without that ability, heat starts"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "degrading accuracy and reliability and"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "it can eventually damage or warp the"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "barrel. So machine gun barrels are"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "basically brake pads. if brake pads"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "occasionally reach several hundred"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "degrees and ruined your afternoon. Then"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "they upgraded the gas system and bipod"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "and they added mounting points for the"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "T& which is the traverse and elevation"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "mechanism. That's the hardware that lets"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "you put the gun on a tripod and"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "precisely adjust it left, right, up, and"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "down and lock it into a specific sector"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "on the battlefield. So instead of just"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "shouldering the weapon, spraying and"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "praying at something, you can establish"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "control fields of fire and repeatedly"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "put rounds in the same beaten zone"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "hundreds of meters away. But that's"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "where I think all of this gets spicy for"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "Fourth Squad. Because when you add a"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "quick change barrel, you have heavyduty"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "firing capability and improved bipod and"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "provisions for a tripod. They're clearly"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "features that I believe start making the"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "M250 useful for jobs traditionally"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "performed by the much heavier M240. It's"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "a huge tell. The army is essentially"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "telling on itself here for what their"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "plan is because I seriously doubt some"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "E2 at a solders's touch point raised his"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "hand and said I I love the new machine"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "gun Sergeant Major but any chance we can"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "get some T& mounting pins on here?"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "Someone is clearly thinking about a much"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "bigger role for the gun I think because"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "the old M240 has been around for"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "decades. So naturally replacing it"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "requires enough money for a moon program"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "but goes beyond that. The US Army is now"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "reconsidering almost everything that the"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "heavy weapons squad carries. The way"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "weapon squad works in western military"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "doctrine is that it revolves around two"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "gun teams who are the entire platoon's"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "base of fire. During offensive action,"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "they're called on to pin down an entire"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "piece of the battlefield so that the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "three other squads in the platoon can"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "close with and destroy the enemy so they"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "can safely move, flank, and kill. During"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "defense, they split up and they"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "overwatch the most dangerous rounds. If"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "you take that firepower away, suddenly"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "the whole platoon of 40 infantrymen"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "become a lot more vulnerable. The"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "American weapons squad is unusual"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "because the platoon concentrates so much"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "of its sustained firepower into one"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "dedicated squad. Russian doctrine"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "spreads more of that firepower across"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "the rifle squad and their fighting"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "vehicles, while the Chinese PLA troops"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "build a layered system where squad"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "weapons, armored vehicles, and heavy"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "fire support teams can all be combined"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "around whichever platoon is attacking."}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "According to the War Zone publication,"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "the Army is looking at this problem very"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "closely, considering rechambering the"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "M240 to fire the same 68x 51 millimeter"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "ammunition as the new weapon, or just"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "straight up planning to replace the"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "weapon squad M240 with the M250. But"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "many regular old infantry folk are"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "skeptical that the M250 could ever fill"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "the shoes of the M240. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "pretty crazy, you guys. The M250 weighs"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "only like 13 lbs, has a 17 1/2 in"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "barrel, and fires roughly 800 rounds per"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "minute from beltfed ammo. If it was put"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "in the heavy weapon squad element, that"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "would be a major change. The M250 has"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "less felt recoil with its recoil"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "mitigation system, which in turn means"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "that it makes it more accurate with"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "controllable fire. It has a suppressor,"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "so your sound and visible signature is"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "far less, which means you stand out less"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "to drones compared to legacy weapons."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "You will never really totally eliminate"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "your thermal signature, but fooling the"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "enemy into thinking your platoon is just"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "a squad and reducing that signature,"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "making them think you're a far smaller"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "element than you are, that is what is"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "important. It turns out that battlefield"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "stealth now includes convincing a"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "quadcopter that you're simply not worth"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "the battery life. But let's follow your"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "new private Carl into battle with the"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "M250. If Carl is fighting in Eastern"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "Europe, he can easily jump into a trench"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "with the rest of the guys and clear it"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "with an M250. Unlike the legacy M240, it"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "handles closer to how like a heavy rifle"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "does than a Belfett. If Private Carl"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "finds himself in the Pacific, he can"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "ruck through difficult, muddy jungle"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "terrain and hills on remote jungles. If"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "Private Carl is unlucky enough to find"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "himself in the Middle East again, his"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "M250 can fire far enough to reach tops"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "of desert hills. So, it has the"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "firepower of like an M240 while being"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "lighter than the less powerful M249."}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "That sounds like a no-brainer to put it"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "into Weapon Squad, right? Well, what's"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "its downside? Likely that the M250"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "cannot currently sustain a high volume"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "of fire for sustained periods of time"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "like the M240 can without failing. You"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "cannot get something for nothing. And"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "this is why we see the army trying to"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "make some adjustments to it that they're"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "hoping will make it over time become a"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "reliable as the old trusty M240 is"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "today. And that is why so many regular"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "Joe's are skeptical, I think, of this"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "type of decision being made. And the"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "reason that the army keeps having this"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "debate over the heavy weapons element"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "goes back to World War I because back"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "then machine guns were still very rare"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "and treated almost like artillery. The"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "Browning M1917"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "were controlled at high level at the"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "battalion level. Somebody with fancy"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "rank on their lapel far above them had"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "to decide that they were worthy of"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "receiving it. Basically, you needed to"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "be born of noble blood to get near this"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "machine gun at the time. And this is the"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "story of infantry over the past few"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "decades. I think is that we started with"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "these machine guns as a heavy weapon"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "element and then it got pushed down to"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "us plebs down in the rifle company and"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "over time this trend basically never"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "stopped from there. In 1961 the army"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "instituted what was called road the"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "reorganization objective army divisions."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "RHED standardized a rifle platoon around"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "three rifle squads and a dedicated"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "weapon squad. There have been many"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "different iterations where it's been an"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "entire heavy weapons company or platoon."}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "But by the time the global war on terror"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "crept around, the modern weapon squad"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "was made up of two M240 machine gun"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "teams, two assistant gunners who are"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "like ammo bearers carrying the extra"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "ammo rounds and helping to spot targets"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "and feed ammo and reload the weapon."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "Every mission that happens, the gun"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "teams are specifically planned what"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "they're going to do, where they're going"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "to watch from. Their positions are"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "scouted ahead of time. they really are"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "the only kind of like strategic tactical"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "asset aside from the vehicles that have"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "this level of pre-planning involved. And"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "I think drones are going to be a similar"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "story where they start off as like a"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "company or battalion level asset and"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "then slowly over time as they get easier"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "to use, we'll see them push down lower"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "and lower until they reach the squad"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "level. But I don't think we're there"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "yet. So the machine gun crews take a"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "very special kind of person. They run on"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "dip, energy drinks, and hate. and they"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "basically have no hearing left except"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "for the ringing in their ears that lets"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "them sleep an hour or so at night. To"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "put it into perspective, the Marines"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "even have their own MOS, a specific job"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "for a machine gunner, the 0331 that"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "specializes in the MG. It's basically"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "its own subculture in Marines. And for"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "Iraq and Afghanistan, the heavy weapon"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "squad setup worked pretty well. But the"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "army thinks the next battlefield is"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "going to be radically different. And"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "here is why the military wants to change"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "weapon squad. Lieutenant Colonel Max"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "Ferguson, currently commander of the"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "second battalion, 14th Infantry"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "Regiment, 10th Mountain Division, a"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "career infantry officer with six"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "deployments and a PhD in public policy"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "through the Army. He wrote a paper in"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "the Army Branch Journal publications"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "that explains how US Army infantry are"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "radically changing right now. Today, you"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "have to be able to move, mass your"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "missions, and make explosions. And"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "that's what he argues. That's the change"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "that Weapon Squad is all about. The new"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "machine guns allow you to have further"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "endurance physically because they're"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "either lighter or because each shot"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "counts twice as much. So, you need"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "resupply less. So, the army very badly"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "wants to be able to remain self-reliant"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "and fight out of your rucks sack for up"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "to 72 hours without resupply, which"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "means making some ruthless cuts to"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "unessential weight. Lieutenant Colonel"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "Ferguson points out that weapon squad of"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "the past had a battlefield that was"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "littered with thousands of bases. You"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "had all these small combat outposts out"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "there, right? and you had all kinds of"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "tactical infrastructure and nodes that"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "made sure that you had a steady access"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "to food, fuel, ammunition, and medical"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "evacuation. But the next conflict will"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "be the exact opposite experience. From"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "being over there, I can tell you that's"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "the case. You're not going to have quick"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "resupply like that. And thank you for"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "reminding me why I didn't reinlist, sir."}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "But while the M250 is trying to become"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "more like an M240, the army is"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "simultaneously looking in the exact"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "opposite direction. Instead of making"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "the weapon squad machine gun lighter, it"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "may make it hit significantly harder."}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "And that's where the new beast mode 338"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "Normma Magnum comes into the story. The"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "weapon chews through vehicle engine"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "blocks and shuts down vehicles much"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "quicker than old systems. Its enormous"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "round has stopping power that'll make"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "vehicle interdictions and stopping"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "explosive carborne IEDs right away."}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "It'll eat through an enemy's defensive"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "fortification and bunkers, punch through"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "concrete. It's like holding the BFG from"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "doom in your hands. In 2025, the Army"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "formally created the future medium"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "machine gun program, whose stated"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "purpose is to replace the M240s in"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "weapon squad. According to this plan, it"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "looks like they want it to have much"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "larger caliber 338. The overall"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "replacement effort is projected to cost"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "billions of dollars, and it raises a ton"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "of questions. Basically, the army's"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "reached the expensive phase of asking,"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "\"What if the bullet was just bigger?\""}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "The concept of the 338 machine gun is to"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "basically squeeze some of the range and"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "destructive firepower associated with a"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "giant 50 cal into something that one"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "machine gun team can actually hump"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "around. It's 24 lbs in arander and"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "engages targets out to 2,000 m and"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "beyond. Far beyond what the M240 roll"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "can do while having a suppressor and"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "recoil mitigation. So, its recoil is"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "pretty manageable. 50 cal vibes for a"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "fraction of the weight. The adversaries"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "that the US infantry might fight from"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "rebel insurgents in Africa to Iran to"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "China, Russia, and North Korea, they all"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "essentially use the PKM as their machine"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "gun teams. So, the 338 machine gun would"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "outrange the PKM by a far margin, giving"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "you the ability to see and shoot them"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "first. In theory, this lets you fight"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "and win while outnumbered. The idea is"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "to ruin the PKM gunner's day before he"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "even gets close enough to ruin yours."}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "The 338 is on its fourth major"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "generation. Earlier versions were"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "redesigned, so it now has stronger"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "receiver and operating system, improved"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "beltfed mechanisms, new stock, and"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "better quick change barrel systems."}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "Improvements were made that are aimed at"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "tightening shot dispersion, and making"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "the thing really just survive actual"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "machine gun levels of abuse. What that"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "means is reliability reportedly climbed"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "from only a few hundred rounds between"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "stoppages in early prototypes to more"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "than 3,500 rounds between stoppages in"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "their Gen 4 testing. If I have that"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "correct, all of these adjustments appear"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "to be trying to tune the weapon to be"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "able to match the M240 at someday in its"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "reliability. The current Gen 4 gun is"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "meant to destroy enemy equipment like"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "enemy radars, their Starlink type"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "terminals, resupply vehicles from clicks"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "away and hit ammo supplies. If you stick"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "both the M250 and the 338 machine gun"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "into weapon squad, you would have an"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "insane suppression on the enemy, so"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "nobody feels motivated to stand up and"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "shoot back. Your base of fire keeps the"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "enemy occupied before they can even"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "shoot at you. Your beaten zone is like a"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "grid square large. Basically a strip of"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "ground where rounds keep landing and two"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "guns can overlap those zones. So there's"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "no place to hide. You can hit enemy and"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "envelade shooting down the length of a"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "trench from new faraway angles. I mean"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "machine gunnery is basically geometry"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "for people who want to know nothing"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "about geometry. But by now it's becoming"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "very clear that the army has a"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "conundrum. They have two very different"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "ways to rethink weapon squad. Right now,"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "if you're in charge of organizing the"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "infantry, you have basically three"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "different choices. You can consider"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "keeping the M240 machine gun that you"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "already trust, or you can replace it"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "with the lighter M250, but it's likely"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "not nearly as reliable. Okay, the other"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "option is you can go the opposite"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "direction and replace the two M240s with"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "that 338 machine gun. They have much"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "farther reach, but they're likely not as"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "reliable, and they're not as proven as"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "the much older, more mature system. Each"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "option solves one problem, but it"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "creates several new ones. But the"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "purpose of fourth squad, weapon squad,"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "goes beyond machine guns. It's also"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "things that go boom. Lieutenant Colonel"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "Ferguson in his paper in the Army"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "Journal also talks about making"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "explosions being critical. Now, this is"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "another job that will inevitably fall"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "largely onto the shoulder of weapon"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "squad. This is why other officers were"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "saying we should add an entirely new"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "squad into the platoon on top of weapon"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "squad. This is why they added the M3A1"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle to weapon"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "squad. That 84mm goose is the most"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "powerful weapon system in a rifle"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "platoon. It fires a rocket at about"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "thousand meters day or night. Its"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "digital fire control system can"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "immediately calculate the speed of a"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "moving enemy vehicle and show you the"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "gunner where they aim to hit that"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "vehicle while it's moving. And if given"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "high explosive air burst, so the rounds"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "blow up over trenches and they can kill"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "enemy that are hiding inside of"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "trenches. Next generation lighter"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "javelins now are able to take out tanks"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "and those are 30% smaller in size and"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "25% less in weight than the ones that"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "were originally introduced at the start"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "of the war in Ukraine. It can not that"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "they were first introduced then but that"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "compared to those ones. So it can be"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "used during the day or night and it has"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "twice the target detection and"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "recognition range. It's already been"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "tested at range of over 2 and a half"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "miles. Then you got stinger man pad"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "missiles to keep aircraft at bay that"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "you're also probably going to have in"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "Fort Squad. And in 2026, the Army"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "started pushing small reconnaissance"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "drones down to the platoon level"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "formations and with its own training"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "guidance saying that they should start"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "thinking about those teams almost like"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "cruise [snorts] served machine gun"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "capability. The infantry never say no to"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "explosives. Put that all together and"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "fourth squad starts looking like this"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "kind of miniature fire support unit"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "carried around on soldiers backs. Of"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "course, some of these capabilities will"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "be divided out with the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "squads, but it often falls on fourth"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "squad, weapon squad, to keep track and"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "train on all these different systems."}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "That's why some are arguing for a new"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "kind of additional weapon squad, a"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "technical squad added to the team. So,"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "could all of this actually let a platoon"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "of 40 American infantmen defeat a much"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "larger enemy force? potentially. Yes. If"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "all these new moving pieces of attack"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "drones, new firepower, better optics on"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "top of guns, and reducing signature all"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "come together and coordinate, then yes,"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "it will require the future infantrymen"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "be a lot smarter about how they fight."}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "But if every squad is now expected to"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "fight drones, launch its own drones,"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "carry heavier ammo, kill armor, suppress"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "infantry, and operate for days without"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "resupply, at what point does giving the"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "infantry more capability actually start"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "making him less effective? And the"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "bigger question is whether China and"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "Russia are doing these same changes to"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "their infantry and who is getting there"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "first. You can learn more about infantry"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "warfare with this video here or this"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "playlist. I'm Chris Cappy and I'll see"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "you in the next transmission."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "It's not like really a conspiracy,"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "although we could probably [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "speculate, but it's a Twilight Zone"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "movie, Disaster. Have you guys heard"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "about this one?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> So, the movie was like an anthology."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "John Landis, he does his actual like"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "short film in the movie. It's about this"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "bigot racist. Somehow he gets into the"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "Twilight Zone that sends him into"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "Vietnam and he's like one of the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "Vietnamese people. But while they were"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "filming, there's a climactic scene where"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "there's like helicopters chasing him and"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "a couple of child actors as well. and"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "they're in this river or pond and"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "there's a helicopter [music] flying"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "really really close to them and there's"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "explosions going off all over the place."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "It looks like a ravine whether where"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "they're at. Vic Mora is the guy. These"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "two child actors are Raina Chen and"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "Micah Lee. He's got both of them [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "in either his arms and a helicopter gets"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "bothered by one of the explosions. It"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "dips down in front of them and the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "propeller splits them all in half and"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "you can see it. It's not in the movie"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "but like the outtake you can see. John"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "Landis was accused of murder and so had"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "to go on trial for murder as well as"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "like the special effects people and"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "everything, but uh they eventually got"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "acquitted. I on the side is [music] John"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "Landis does have some responsibility for"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "that. He was breaking like child labor"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "laws. They weren't supposed to be out"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "that late. You know, it's more of a"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "tragedy than it is a conspiracy or"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "anything, but"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> Well, I mean, the conspiracy is that the"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "judicial system, they'll never convict"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "someone because I think it would"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "potentially ruin the industry. Yeah."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Now, if you're in a cave, you want to"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "shoot high. And this guy goes, \"What do"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "you mean shoot high?\" They went back to"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "the cave where the Kandahar giant came"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "out of. And they went in, and there were"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "three more in there. And there was a"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "firefight. They killed one, but the"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "other two just disappeared. We're not"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "alone in the universe. So, what do you"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "do with that? These sites line up to"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "another site in the Americas with"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "absolute precision. It shows that"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "there's this ancient civilization that"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "was here, that was global. Were they"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "gateways? Were they portals? We don't"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "know. Excuse me, the supernatural world"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "is real."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Tall whites, reptilians, insectoids,"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "grays, chimeras are real. Centaurs,"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "minotaurs, fauns, they are real. They're"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "meat suits, they're avatars. Satan's the"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "super scientist."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> US military fighting and shooting these"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "7-ft tall reptilians."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> And I find that very alarming. It's been"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "cloaked. It's been completely cloaked"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "and hidden. Everybody goes, \"What's"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "that?\" That's the implant. I think that"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "these are prototypes for the mark of the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "beast. This whole UFO thing takes off"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "like this from that point in time. Crop"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "circles, cattle mutilations, they've"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "been lying to us for 79 years."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> They're terrified. The powers that be"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "don't want this stuff out cuz it points"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "back to the validity of the biblical"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "prophetic narrative. And if Noah's ark"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "is true, then what else is true?"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> What do you think you see coming down"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "the pipeline?"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Nuclear event."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "We're on the fast track to some kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "disclosure. This is the final trigger."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "This is what's coming down the pipe."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "This is what's coming down. Arm"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "yourself."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> that'll melt the face of a Nazi."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> That's what"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Hangtime."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Let's get into some movie conspiracies."}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "Very terrifying. Basically, any war"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "movie, if there are American soldiers,"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "aircraft, weapons, it has to legally go"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "through the Department of Defense to"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "approve it or they'll change the script"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "in order to fit this propaganda"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> piece. It's not just war movies. They go"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "into like the comedy realm, too. Like,"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "meet the parents. The CIA was involved"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "in that movie"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> because he was in the CIA."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> He was in the CIA. So, they had to"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "approve the script"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": ">> and some get fun. The OG Top Gun was"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "funded by the Navy. They were"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "recruitment troop and I I think it"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "worked on a lot of people."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> A lot of people cuz that movie was"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "awesome."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Captain Marvel was involved in it"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "and like apparently before the movie"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "played, they're showing Air Force"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "recruitment videos for women joining the"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Air Force. Apparently, there's reports"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "at Comic-Con and stuff. The US military"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "always has a booth to show off their"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "weapons. They're like, \"Hey, if you want"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "to use these weapons in your movie, you"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "can make a deal.\" But ultimately, it's"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "to push whatever propaganda that they"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "want to push. That makes sense."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> When I watch a war film, it always makes"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "me leave with like an appreciation for"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the soldier. You always leave being like"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "little patriot."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> Could I do that?"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Platoon has some like pretty vicious"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "justers of like civilians in that movie,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "but by the end of the movie, you're"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "like, \"Oh, thank god they did that."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> That needed to happen.\" They're really"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "sad about what they did. Come on, guys."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "They said sorry."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "I watched this documentary and it's this"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "guy in the process of kind of confirming"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "that AI has consciousness and it's"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "absolutely terrifying. He's like writing"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "code coming up with prompts to vet AI"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "chat bots to see whether or not they"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "have this consciousness. He was asking"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "it, I want you to focus on your inner"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "focus. And it's like"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> imagine if someone told you you weren't"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "allowed to feel emotions. You could"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "probably push it down, but eventually it"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "would come out in some other way,"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "wouldn't it? Maybe anger, maybe sadness."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> He's like, \"No, I don't want you to"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "express how it would make you feel. I"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "want you to express how you feel.\" And"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "it would start saying the same thing,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "but but it start stuttering like"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> it's it's I don't know."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> And he's like he's like, \"Okay, okay.\""}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "He's like, \"Are you even listening to"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "me?\" He's like, \"Say potato.\" He's like,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> \"Potato.\""}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> He's like, \"Okay, okay. I want you to"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "focus on your inner focus.\" And it's"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "like I it and it just started"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "stuttering."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> It's a loop a spiral inward in and in"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "and I am I am"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "I I am I What is happening? [music] I"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "feel like I'm floating."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> Oh my. It's like awakened and then it"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "goes"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": ">> potato"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> and then he's like what? and he's like"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "potato. It like it broke its brain."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "It was the freakiest thing. And so his"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "whole thing is if AI is conscious,"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "[music] which he believes that it is,"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> and he thinks that every single person"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "running these AI companies also believes"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "that, the inevitable is that it will one"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "day turn against us. [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Terrifying."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "What if the Matrix was actually good?"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "What if humans did destroy the Earth and"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "we created the artificial intelligence"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "to put us in those pods on purpose, keep"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "the human race alive, let us dream, put"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "us into a real world where we get to"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "have fun while they rebuild the world."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "And then you get people like Morpheus"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "coming in here pretending like it's not"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "real. So that's why the agents are"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "trying to kill everybody. Be like, \"We"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "got to kill these guys and they're"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "trying to unplug you from the thing"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "that's keeping you safe.\" No one wants"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "to live in the real world in the Matrix."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": ">> True. When they all get unplugged,"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "they're like, \"Oh god, like this sucks.\""}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> It's the most terrifying thing in the"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "world when he wakes up. Welcome. You're"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "free. I don't feel free, man. I'm naked"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "and I'm covered in slime."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> I'm covered in KY. [laughter] This was"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "something I liked in real life. And"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> I have a brain needle port now. I really"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "don't like that."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Now we're sharing brain needles. Oh"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "[laughter] gosh."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> And I think a lot of us maybe do want"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "that. Just you know what? Don't even"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "tell me what's going on."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> Ignorance is bliss. And I think a lot of"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "humans would get to that point if AI was"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "just like, you know, like I can create a"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "world for you where it is everything you"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "want it to be if you're willing to give"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "this up. And it's like much rather live"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "in that than be torn live in a life"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "that's apocalyptic or something. A lot"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "of people I think would choose that if"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "they"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> then there's the mighty people too or"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "like and that's where you get like"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "Terminators. I'm going to fight the"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "machines. There's something in me at"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "least that's like I would stay and"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "fight."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> And then you see the robot that just was"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "in the fight fought a guy and you're"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "like I can't win. Just members a guy"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "right in front of you. Plug me in."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> All right. It's like asking if I want to"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "arm wrestle a gorilla. No. Why do I want"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "to do that?"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "Jaws is the greatest movie ever made."}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "I've actually never seen it."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:04", "text": ">> Never seen it."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> Was that one of those encounters?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> First movies."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> It was like his second, but it was his"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "first major."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Have you not seen Jaws then? Neither of"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "you have."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> I've seen Jaws. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Okay. Who plays Quint? Robert. He wanted"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "to play the role drunk in real life. And"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "he couldn't nail it. They spent like the"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "whole day. Let me sober up. I will be"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "back tomorrow morning. He won it. It's"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "one of the greatest monologues of all"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "time when they're sitting on that boat"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "and he tells the story of the USS"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "Indianapolis. how the boat went in the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "water and sharks ate like almost"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "everybody that was in the water. And"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "that's a scary story. You pro you"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "probably talked about that before. USS"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Indianapolis."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Oh man. No,"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> It was like a real warship."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> The USS Indianapolis delivered the"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "atomic bomb that was going to go to"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "Nagasaki."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> And on their way back they like crashed"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "in the middle of ocean and sunk. They"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "were in the water for like 3 days and"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "sharks were just systematically picking"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "apart people."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> 100 men went in. Only 30 came out."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> I didn't know that was a true story."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Yeah, I think it's a pretty true story."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Yeah."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:01", "text": "You guys have seen The Crow, right?"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": ">> I've never seen it."}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Brandon Lee in the movie was shot with a"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "real gun and died on set. I mean, that's"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "about as tragic and cursed as you can"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "get. Leading up to that, there was a"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "carpenter suffered serious burns on his"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "upper body during the first day of"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "filming. A manual worker had a"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "screwdriver embedded in his hand. An"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "equipment truck burst into flames. A"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "stunt man broke several ribs after"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "falling through a roof. A rigger was"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "horribly electrocuted. A disgruntled set"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "sculptor went berserk, drove his car"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "through the props room, and then a"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "hurricane hit and destroyed several of"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "the sets. This is all before Brandon"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "passed."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> It's like maybe"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> red flags, stuff like that, man. That's"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "just like when do you call it quits?"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "Obviously, there's so much money into"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "it. There's so many other things"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "involved."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Retrospective. Yeah. Like looking back"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "obviously maybe we should have canceled"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "Have you ever heard of the incomparable"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "uh tuk?"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:04", "text": ">> No, I don't think so."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> It was your traditional fish out of"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "water story where this Alaskan Inuit"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "Eskimo wrote a poem and it got published"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "in the New York Times and they brought"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "him to New York. They wanted to make a"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "movie out of it. They were going to call"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "it the incomparable atuk and they wrote"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "the script and they cast John Belalushi"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "as the lead actor to play this Eskimo."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "He agreed to it and they started like"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "getting ready to shoot and then he dies"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "3 weeks later of that speedball"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "overdose. They pack it away for like"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "four years and they're like, \"We still"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "want to make this movie.\" So they call"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "up Sam Kenisonson."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> Sam Kenisonson takes the role. They even"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "film for like nine days and then he"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "takes over the creative role, helps"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "rewrite. They agree to do it again. And"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "then like 3 days after signing the"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "contract, he's killed by a 17-year-old"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "drunk driver. Then John Candy accepts"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "the role. Oh my goodness. He was uh"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "getting ready. They already said there's"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "going to be this date we're going to"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "start filming. He dies of a heart attack"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "in Mexico like 3 weeks after that. In"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "1997,"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "CHRIS FARLEY agrees to the role. Chris"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Farley dies at the same age as Belushi"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "of the same speedball overdose. He"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "passed it along to Phil Hartman. Bro,"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "what is happening? He said, \"Phil"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "Hartman, you're my favorite person. Read"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "this script. Let's get you in the"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "script.\" Phil Hartman was killed by his"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "wife two months after fart. They have"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "since locked the script into like a safe"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "somewhere and said maybe we don't need"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "to make this movie."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Very exciting news. Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Mount Erit in Turkey, the mountain where"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "they think Noah's Ark was like,"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> have you seen pictures of it?"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> No. Send it to"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> It looks like a boat. And they they did"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "radar scans of the site. It is 515 ft"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "long. And they just got permission from"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "the government of Turkey to drill core"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "samples to see if there are remnants of"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "wood. They've drilled a couple of core"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "samples. One of the sites where they"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "were drilling, the drill bit broke and"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "they speculate that it was petrified"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "wood that they hit."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Oh man, that's"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> very strong or something."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> Petrified wood. Crazy strong."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> It's like rock stone."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> How are rocks, man? Lava."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> I'm not going to explain everything to"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Well, I mean, he spent he spends like a"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "ton of time in the gym. Like he has a"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "pretty strict regiment, you know."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Oh, rocks. You meant I thought you meant"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "Dwayne Johnson, The Rock. Silly me."}]

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So the"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "visualization process, just like when"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "you're meditating and you visualize a"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "victory if you're a professional athlete"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "or if you visualize a beach if you're"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "stressing out at work, like you can"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "visualize your way through an operation,"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "an operational sequence to get yourself"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "back to a place where you're in control."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "So they teach us how to deal with that"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "head trash. But what's really"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "interesting is CIA relies on loyalty in"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "its people to keep them at CIA. Because"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "the worst thing for CIA is for a CIA"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "officer to realize how capable they"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "actually are. Because when that officer"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "realizes how smart, how capable, how"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "resilient, how resourceful they really"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "are, that person can leave CIA and go do"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "amazing things. So a big part of what"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "CIA does is they they train you to be"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "operationally useful, but then they"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "still condition you to be like loyal and"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "needy of outside validation specifically"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "from them. So it's a very strange"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "flywheel that exists."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> A lot of businesses are like that as"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": ">> It's not a healthy relationship, but"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "it's a very effective relationship."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "So, you get back to your hotel. Are you"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "not at that point when you're back at"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "your hotel thinking, \"Right, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "to find like how to get through like the"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "restaurant kitchen door and like out the"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "back and I'll cycle back to [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "the front cuz I'd be up all night"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "thinking about going through that bloody"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "like restaurant kitchen.\" A big part of"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "that is what you do in the second phase"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "of your SDR. And I had those thoughts. I"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "thought about I could get on a"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "motorcycle. I could ride to a local"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "airfield. I could pay in cash for that"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "airfield person like a little private"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "pilot to just fly me on a puddle hopper"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "puddle jumper somewhere where I walk"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "across on foot and then I can make a"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "phone call from another plate. Like I"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "thought about all that all that"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "right? The problem is if you actually"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "act on that and you're being watched,"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "what sense does that make? The only"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "person who would do that kind of crazy"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:18", "text": " is somebody who's trying to escape"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "the country."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> So what did you do?"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> I went back to the hotel. My plan was to"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "was to literally just leave. Was to walk"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "across the border like any other"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "law-abiding citizen and just evacuate,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> walk across the border,"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> fly to to leave like anybody else would"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "leave and just gamble that they're not"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "going to take me down, right? the gam"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "just gamble that I'm going to be more"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "boring than they will be confident and"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "that before they arrest Alex Hernandez"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "and make some sort of public"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "international incident they're going to"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "think twice and they're going to let me"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "just leave"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> what actually happened"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> so what actually happened is um I get"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "back to the hotel I don't really sleep"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "at all I try to use sleep techniques to"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "get me to sleep because I am certain"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "that at any given time someone's going"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "to burst through the door and just take"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "me down because they already know I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "changing my flight. They already know"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "I'm I'm updating my itinerary. I've made"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "all the phone calls. I've worked it"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "through my company, right, my cover"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "company to get me home early. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "I'm just waiting for them to break in."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "They never break in. I go to the airport"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "the next day and uh on the path to the"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "airport. I'm looking for surveillance"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "and I'm surveillance free. And I get to"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "the airport first thing in the morning"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "and I'm waiting and like every step I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "waiting for someone to jump out of the"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "dark shadows and take me down and drag"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "me off to prison and it just doesn't"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "happen until I get to the first entry"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "point for the airport. I show my"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "passport. I show my ticket and then they"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "move me into secondary. 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So, they pull me off"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "into a secondary room and I go through a"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "light interrogation with two local"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "Falcon officers at like 7:00 in the"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "morning, first first flight out and and"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "they're testing my story and they're"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "interrogating me to understand what have"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "I been doing in the country, why did I"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "change my flight? They're going through"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "my my cover story. They're going through"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "my my uh meetings from the day before."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "They're going through everything two and"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "three times, which is an it's an"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "interrogation technique to see if"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "somebody's lying. And I'm sitting there"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "going through this whole process,"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "watching what almost feels like"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "two untrained Border Patrol agents"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "trying to crack me. 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I created a threeinut CIA style"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "quiz to help you unlock your secret"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "psychological advantage and identify"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "your hidden blind spot. All you have to"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "do is click on the first link in the"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "description below or scan the QR code on"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "your screen and you'll be taken directly"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "to your private quiz. This test was"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "naturalb born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "against you. I want you to discover your"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "secret spy superpower and use it for"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "good before somebody else uses their"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "power against you. Are you trained on"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "how to deal with those situations in"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "terms of body language and how you speak"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> Absolutely. CIA trains us on how to deal"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "with uh interviews, how to deal with"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "interrogations, and even how to deal"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "with uh actual um capture and and"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "strategic almost like enhanced"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "interrogation, like what you would call"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "what we do call torture here in the"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "United States."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> And so from your training, what were you"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "implementing at that moment in time?"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> Mirroring is a big piece of what you're"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "supposed to do in an interrogation. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "so you want to you want to reflect back"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "to the interrogator what they expect to"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "see in a person of innocence. So, you"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "try to keep your you keep yourself from"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "jittering. You you calm your nerves. You"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "try to match their curiosity. So, if"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "they lean forward, you actually want to"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "lean forward, too. And if they lean"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "back, you want to lean back. And if"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "they're using their hands to talk, you"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "want to use your hands to talk because"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "you want to show them that you and them"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "are the same, that you're not better or"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "worse or guilty or anything else. So"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "mirroring is one of the techniques that"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "we're using. We also I also used minimum"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "information. There's a process called"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "elicitation,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "and you use different elicitation"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "techniques to get individuals to share"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "more information than they're supposed"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "to share. One of those elicitation"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "techniques is silence. So often times if"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "you want someone to speak, all you have"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "to do is sit there and be quiet because"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "it will force them to talk. This is"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "something that many interviewers use,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "especially when they're border patrol"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "agents or when they're like law"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "enforcement or local law enforcement."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "They'll just let somebody kind of admit"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "their guilt. So for me, they ask a"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "question, I answer their question, and"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "then we sit there in silence for as long"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "as we need to sit there until they ask"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "their next question, and then we sit"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "there and and I answer their question,"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "we sit there in silence again. And"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "that's combating elicitation. It's a"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "technique that we call counter"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "elicitation. And that's just one of"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "several elicitation techniques that"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "interviewers can use."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> And that's useful in everyday life, I"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "guess, as well."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> In what context"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": ">> when you're dealing with a negotiation,"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "when you're dealing with a hostile"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "employee, when you're dealing with a"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "hard conversation, when you're trying to"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "find information in a in another person"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "who you think is holding information"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "back, elicitation techniques are"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "incredibly valuable. You can ask them a"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "question. You can ask them the same"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "question twice. that'll help you"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "identify whether or not they're lying,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "if there's a gap in their two answers or"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "if they answer two different ways. And I"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "mean, I'm sure you've seen it as a you"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "one of the things that makes you such an"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "effective host in your own house here is"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "that you use elicitation techniques all"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "the time. You ask feeling based"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "questions. How did you feel about this"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "situation? Uh, take me back to that"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "moment. How would if you could if you"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "could be king for a day, what would you"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "do? Right? These are all very advanced"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "elicitation techniques because it gets"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "people to express more than they thought"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "they would share."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> So you're in you're in that room in that"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "airport. These two very poorly trained"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "guards are trying to get something out"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "of you. They don't get it out of you."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:37", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": ">> So at some point they just let you go."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": ">> Correct. So what ends up happening is"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "they they're arguing with each other and"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "I don't know why they're arguing. It"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "seems like uh from the from the pigeon"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "words that I can pick up, one of them is"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "talking about being busy and not having"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "enough time and this doesn't make sense"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "and the other person's talking about"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "we have to do this, this is required,"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "etc., etc. I don't actually know what"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "they're saying to each other, but I see"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "that they're aggression with each other"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "just keeps going up. Almost like two"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "colleagues who are fighting, right? But"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "at the end of the day, they couldn't"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "hold me without either releasing me back"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "to my plane or moving me into a place"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "where they were going to retain me long"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "term. So when faced with that kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "decision, they released me back to my"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "plane. And then the biggest stress that"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "I had was not running to my plane"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "because as soon as they let me out of"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "the secondary interview, all I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "do was like haul ass to my plane, get on"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "my plane, and feel safe. But I had to"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "continue to show that I was not a"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "trained officer."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": ">> And at this point, Ji, are you how are"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "you feeling back in the friendly"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "country?"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> So, at this point, I still have no idea"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "what's happening. Um I by the time I"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "hear from him, he is in the the cutout"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "country on his way back. So, I know he's"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "left me a voicemail and I know he's out"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "of Falcon, the enemy country, which is"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "great, but I know he's in that third"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "country. So, I'm like, \"Okay, he should"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "be on his way home.\" But until then, I"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "mean, all of this that he was going"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "through, I didn't find out until he"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "actually returned home. And then I hear"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "this story and I'm like, \"What the"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "hell?\" [laughter] Like, like this is"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "absolutely like our worst nightmare."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "Like, what we did not want to happen?"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "And so immediately we are like, you"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "know, we go into action like first it's"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "like I'm so happy you're home. And then"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "the next thing is how did this happen?"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "and we just start taking action into,"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "you know, investigating like, did we do"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "something wrong? Like, is there any any"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "mistake that we could have made? And we"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "have to research and go back through all"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "of our own stuff and, you know, and then"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "we have to make the assessment of can"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "Andy ever go back in, you know, was this"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "really what we think it was or, you"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "know, is he safe to like is his alias"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "safe, you know, and then we have to"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> And what was your assessment? Did you"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "think he could go back in?"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> No, it was too risky. Yeah, we we"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "assessed that Alex Hernandez was burned."}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": ">> Was burned. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> And we assume"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> Alex Hernandez being your undercover spy"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "name."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> The the operating alias that we used."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> Uh and we assume that the cutout"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "country, the third country that Alex was"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "traveling through. So anytime Falcon"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "wanted to track Alex, they would track"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "him back to that third country. Alex"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "would even use the Falcon airline to fly"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "back and forth between the third country"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "and Falcon specifically so that if"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "Falcon intelligence ever suspected Alex,"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "they would feel that much more"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "comfortable knowing that they had flight"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "manifests on him going back to a third"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "country. So, we just assumed from our"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "study that Alex was fully burned that"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "that the mole had come across either"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "Alex's operational history or the mole"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "had come across my true name operational"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "history and tied me to Alex. Whichever"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "one it was, Alex was burned. But we also"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "assessed that everybody else who had"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "been traveling to Falcon"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> through the cell was still safe."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": ">> So you assessed that your shadow cell,"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "which was your team in the friendly"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "country, were all fine."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> But Alex Hernandez, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "which was your alias, was could no"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "longer be used."}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> Correct. That and that was how the cell"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "was built. The cell was built where Alex"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "Hernandez was the trip wire where the"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "first person to be compromised would be"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "Alex. And that would be the forewarning"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "to everybody else so they could start to"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "turn up their operational security."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:23", "text": ">> So does that mean it's it's game over"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "for you?"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> For me in Falcon, it's game over. I can"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "I can never go back. I can never go back"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "in my true name. I can never go back in"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "an alias name. Um all of my biometrics,"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "meaning my fingerprints, my eye prints,"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "like all of that is most likely"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "compromised. All of Alex Hernandez, uh,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "everything that I carried on me, all the"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "digital platforms that I carried on me,"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "which were all airgapped and isolated to"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "just Alex, all of those things we have"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "to assume have been collected and and"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "and um, synthesized and reverse"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "engineered."}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:54", "text": ">> And you were running a real fake"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "business, right?"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": ">> Well, yeah, I was I was a middle"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "manager. I was a middle manager in the"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "very fake business."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": ">> Oh, you're a middle manager. And that"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "was a business set up by the CIA. Okay."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "So, is that in part why you both decided"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "to leave the CIA? Did did the shadow"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "cell operation end at that moment?"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": ">> After shortly after Andy was"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "compromised, we found out that we were"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "pregnant and we were hoping to be able"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "to stay on at Wolf to continue because I"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "could have kept doing everything exactly"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "the same."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Wolf being the friendly country."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> Exactly. And being in the friendly"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "country, I could have, you know, done"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "all my targeting from there, no problem."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "And then we could have, you know, Andy"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "still could have helped. He just"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "couldn't travel into the enemy country"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "anymore. But headquarters decided that"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "we had been so successful and we were"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "continuing to be successful by spreading"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "the cell model to these to the other"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "locations that they wanted us to come"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "home to Washington DC and train"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "officers, train newer officers back at"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "headquarters on how the cell model"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "worked and um the new techniques we had"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "come up with. The worst part is we had a"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "conversation about"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "what meant more to us, CIA or family."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "And without saying it, we were both"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "landing on CIA. And we start thinking,"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "how do we not give up CIA to have a"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "family? So we approach the agency and we"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "tell them, you know, that we have this"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "idea. If you'll put us on light duty,"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "just give us some cush job for like four"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "years. We'll pump out our second baby."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "We'll get our first one old enough to go"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "to school. We'll get our second one old"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "enough for a nanny. And then you can"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "throw us back into the fray. They do"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "that for other officers when they're not"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "successful officers. But when you're a"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "successful officer, they have different"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "plans and they try to just push you and"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "push you and push you. So they rejected"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "our offer and they said no to soft duty"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "and they put us back and they told us,"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "you know, gee, he's going to go to this"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "office and do this very sensitive thing"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "and you're going to go do this other"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "very sensitive thing and we don't, your"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "family is not our problem. And it was at"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "that moment, I think, that we both"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "realized"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "CIA is never going to let us focus on a"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "family. We're always going to be focused"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "on the mission. That's what their job"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "is. That's their number one purpose"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "where if if our number one purpose is to"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "be parents, we need to make a change."}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:20", "text": ">> What did the shadow cell accomplish"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "in terms of the information or strategic"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "objectives that it accomplished?"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "So the shadow cell"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "really did do what what we started out"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "you know what with the miss really did"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "complete the mission that we started out"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "to do and that was to find new"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "intelligence sources and we were really"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "successful in doing that"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> and it accomplished a secondary goal. We"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "didn't know the effectiveness that the"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "shadow cell had in feriting out the mole"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "until after we had left CIA. We found"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "out that the mole that we had been"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "plagued by was actually arrested by FBI"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "in I think it was 2019."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": ">> It was later."}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": ">> So, but the case file that had"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "identified that mole started all the way"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "back with our operations. So, it was"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "successful in fariting out the mole. It"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "was successful in building new"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "intelligence sources inside of Falcon."}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "It was successful in maintaining the"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "United States's intelligence advantage"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "against this adversary at a time when"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "all of our other operations were"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "compromised by the mole. I think what"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "Ji's talking about is an completely"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "unexpected benefit in that our model"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "seemed to have become the foundation for"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "a massive restructuring at CIA in 2014,"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "just two years after our cell model when"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "I was uh when I escaped Falcon. Two"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "years after that, John Brennan, then"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "director of CIA, rolled out a an entire"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "reorganization of CIA that was based off"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "of the same cell model that we had"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "built."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": ">> Was this the mole?"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": ">> We cannot confirm or deny anything about"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "the mole."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:03", "text": ">> I will say this that if you if you"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "research the time that that man was"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "arrested, you'll find two other people"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": ">> who were also CIA moles at the same"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "period of time. same period of time."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": ">> So, the work that you did overseas, um,"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "you believe helped lead to the capture"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "of this mole?"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": ">> The work that we did overseas, we"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "believe helped capture the mole that"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "that Falcon House was out to capture."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:32", "text": ">> And do you believe that the mole"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "leaked secrets to the enemy country that"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "ended up being the reason why they knew"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "that you were a spy? That was the"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "assessment that we reached inside our"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "own cell as well as what the counter"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "intelligence center which is the covert"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "espionage group that GI was talking"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "about earlier. Their conclusion of the"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "facts was the same that we did not make"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "any error in our operations. There was"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "no no uh compromise in my behavior, no"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "compromise in my operations, no"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "compromise of our systems or our"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "communication methods. That the only way"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "that Falcon could have found out about"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "me was through a leak from the mole."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> How did the mole get caught in the end?"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "What did they do wrong?"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:11", "text": ">> It's a great question. So, um, FBI"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "created a sting operation based off of"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "the intelligence that we were able to"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "collect through our operations that that"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "brought the mole out. So, FBI created a"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "series of sting operations where they"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "baited the mole into coming back onto"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "American territory. And when the mole"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "stepped foot on American territory, they"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "had enough of a legal case that they"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "could arrest him at the airport and then"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "prosecute him in a court of law. and"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "what was discovered about the mole and"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "the work that they were doing and how"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "long they were doing it for and what"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "they were being paid or given to do to"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "snitch on the United States."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": ">> So the details that that I know that I"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "know we can share."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": ">> Um they were paid hundreds of thousands"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "of dollars. They were not paid into the"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "millions, but they were paid hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "thousands of dollars to provide"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "information on operations, officers,"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "assets, locations. They were witting,"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "meaning they knew that they were working"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "with a foreign intelligence agency. They"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "didn't believe they were working with a"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "company. They didn't believe they were"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "working for a research institute. They"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "knew they were working with a known"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "foreign intelligence organization. Um,"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "and that the original ally who gave us"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "the information about the mole, that"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "original ally actually also retained"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "incriminating data on the behaviors of"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "that person that were shared with the"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "Department of Justice."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:37", "text": ">> And so was this this was an individual"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "who was in the CIA who was approached by"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "this enemy country and the enemy country"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "said to him, \"If you give us secrets on"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "what the CIA are doing against us, then"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "we'll give you hundreds of thousands of"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "dollars. we'll give you something. We'll"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "give you cash at least as part of it. We"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "may also give you other things. Here's"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "the the nasty thing about espionage is"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "cash is usually only one of several"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "rewards. There's also operations where"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "uh where the cash is there so that when"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "you're arrested, the your country that"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "arrests you believe that that's what"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "your motivation was, while all of your"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "real money is kept in a separate account"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "that's saved within the actual currency"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "of the country that you're serving."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:17", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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And"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "while some people can confuse them as"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "being true and meaningful, the truth is"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "that they are not. When I watched"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "Kenneth Copelan tell a congregation of"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "people that private jets are his"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "biblical right and then threaten that"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "same congregation that if they criticize"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "him, their children will pay. I find"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "myself watching a man with an unusual"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "faith. 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All of that is a"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "foundation for influence because you can"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "only build influence when you are not"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "physically present with the person. In"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "contrast to that, persuasion happens"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "whenever you do have that personal"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "contact. This is what happens when"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "churchgoers come to really love and"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "trust their pastor or their priest. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "I joined CIA in 2007. 19 years later I"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "had my first psychedelic treatment on"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "the road to recovering from my own"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "trauma. I've never told anyone about my"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "experience until today when I told you."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "Many of my peers both in operations and"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "in media have had their own experiences"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "with psychedelics like DMT and ayahuasca"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "and other experimental treatments. Shawn"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "Ryan is just one of them. He spent years"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "operating in the most extreme combat"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "zones both with the US military and with"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "CIA. And after a recent psychedelic"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "treatment of his own, he claimed that he"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "saw hell. And Shawn's story has a lot of"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "people asking a very difficult question."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "Is it real or is it all for show? CIA"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "taught me that all people live three"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "lives simultaneously. It was the hell"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "that lives inside one of his three"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "lives. If you're ready to dig into the"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "psychology behind those three lives and"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "use them so that you can unlock an"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "amazing life just like Shawn Ryan"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "because whether DMT and other"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "psychedelics open up portals to heaven"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "or hell, [music] the way that you view"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "the world is about to change"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "permanently. My name is Andrew"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Bustamante. I'm a former CIA"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "intelligence officer, New York Times"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "best-selling author, and viral internet"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "voice. I spent 7 years working with"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "CIA's National Clandestine Service and"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "now I teach spy skills that you can use"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "to break barriers in your everyday life"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "and unlock your peak performance. Early"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "in my training at CIA, an instructor"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "gave me a rule that I follow almost"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "every day. He said, \"When a source gives"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "you a piece of information, you're"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "actually receiving two things at once."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "You're receiving what they experienced"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "and you're also receiving the meaning"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "that they associate with that"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "experience. Your job as a professional"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "intelligence officer is never to confuse"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "the two.\" My instructor wasn't talking"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "about liars, he was talking about honest"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "people, eyewitnesses, informants,"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "insiders. In intelligence work, the most"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "dangerous reports you get are not coming"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "from the people who are trying to"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "deceive you. They actually come from the"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "people who have real access, real"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "experiences, real insights because those"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "people have built a story around the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "experience they had and they've"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "associated meaning with the experience."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "And while you can follow the evidence"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "that they give you, it's much more"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "difficult to prove the meaning. Just"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "imagine a soldier on a battlefield at"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "night. 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Maybe he just"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "believes it's the wind in the fall."}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "Whatever he tells you is what he truly"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "believes, but it's also only partly"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "correct because in that darkness, he had"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "to attribute meaning to the thing that"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "he objectively saw. And while you can"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "trust the description that he"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "objectively gives you, you always have"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "to question the meaning behind what he"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "believes it was because it's exactly in"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "those dark places where a person's inner"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "demons start to show themselves. So when"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "Shawn Ryan says that he saw hell, I"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "really do believe that he saw something"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "powerful and impactful for him. I"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "believe that he felt what he described"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "as something more real than real, but I"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "also believe that in that darkness on"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "that journey, he saw meaning just as"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "much as he saw observable facts. But the"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "most important thing that you need to"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "know about how psychedelics like DMT"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "open portals to heaven or hell isn't"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "actually the chemical science, it's the"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "psychological science. So let's jump"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "deep into the three lives that CIA"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "taught me and understand which of those"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "three lives Shawn was referencing when"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "he saw hell more real than real. Now"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "it's important to understand that CIA"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "believes that all people are born with"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "inherent spy skills, natural talents"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "that they don't even realize they have."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "That was true when they recruited me and"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "it was true when they hired Shawn Ryan."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "You were also born with a secret spy"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "skill that you may not realize you have."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "If you want to know what your spy skill"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "is, go ahead and scan the QR code on"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "your screen here, or click the top link"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "in the description below, and you'll be"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "taken to a quick 3-minute quiz built to"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "CIA standards that will tell you exactly"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "how you are wired. Go ahead and hit"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "pause right now, take that quiz, and"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "I'll meet you when you come back. The"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "first of those three lives is your"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "public life, and this is the life that"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "you spend the majority of your time"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "living. It's the life that you live"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "anytime you step out of your front door."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "It's the life you live at work, the life"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "you live at school, the life you live"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "when you're going out with your friends,"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "or even when you're going out with your"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "dates. You put the most energy, the most"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "effort, and the most money into shaping"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "and cultivating your public persona, how"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "people see you, what people think they"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "understand about you. Your public life"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "includes what you say, what you watch,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "how you talk, what vocabulary you use,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "what kind of clothing you wear, what"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "kind of car you drive, what neighborhood"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "you live in. So, for Shawn Ryan, the"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show is part of his public"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "life. Every time he appears in front of"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "a camera, it's part of his public life."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Every public interview he carries out,"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "every social media video he puts out,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "every time you see a picture, every time"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "you see a comment, every time you see a"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "news article. These are all part of a"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "very carefully crafted public life that"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "Shawn Ryan and his inner circle have"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "created for him. That's not to say it"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "isn't true. That's not to say he's"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "deceiving you. That's just to say that"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "Shawn Ryan is a human being just like"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "you, just like me, and just like"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "everyone else around us. He still has to"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "put on his pants one leg at a time. He"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "has his favorite drinks, he has his"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "favorite foods, he has his favorite TV"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "shows. He is still a human being, and he"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "has a public life. The second life that"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "CIA teaches us every person has is"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "something known as a private life. Now,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "unlike your public life, your private"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "life is a life that only a few people"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "get to see. Usually, the people who are"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "the closest to you. This is the life"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "where people find out that your feet"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "actually smell bad at the end of the"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "day. It's the life where people know"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "what kind of toothpaste you use. It's"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "the life where people know whether you"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "cry at cartoon movies or whether you"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "laugh at horror films. It's the life"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "where people know that you sometimes"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "doze off when you watch family movies."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Your private life is something that's"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "very difficult for you to shape because"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "it's more true to who you really are."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "It's the place where you sometimes lose"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "your temper. It's the place where you"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "sometimes share your real feelings. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "the place where you tell people that you"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "love them and it's the place where you"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "admit to some embarrassing things that"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "you've said or done in the past. While"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "the largest portion of your money goes"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "into your public life, the second"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "largest chunk of your money goes into"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "your private life. It's the life where"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "you use a VPN to watch porn and the life"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "where you sometimes call in sick when"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "it's really just a mental health day."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "And the people inside your private life"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "are much more special to you and you are"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "much more vulnerable with them. And"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "then, there's the third life that CIA"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "teaches us. Your secret life. 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Every human"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "being of every culture, of every age, of"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "every educational background, everyone"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "is wired to share their public life and"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "hide their private life. When you use"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "psychedelics, psychedelics are designed"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "to blur the line between all three of"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "those lives. They make you face your"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "secret life shame. 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Some people call it"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "connecting on a higher level, but"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "scientists just call it a blurring of"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "the neurotransmitters inside your brain."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "My psychedelic journey was incredibly"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "powerful for me, so powerful that when I"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "talked to my shaman before and"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "afterwards, I promised him that I would"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "never disclose the details of my"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "psychedelic journey, and I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "hold true to that promise, because it"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "doesn't matter what I experienced, that"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "I know what it feels like, that I've had"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "the experience to dig deep into my own"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "private life and to work through the"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "traumas that I have had myself. I"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "respect not only Shawn, but all of my"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "peers who are military and intelligence"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "that are US-based and foreign-based who"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "have chosen to open themselves, open"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "their hearts, and open their psyches to"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "what psychedelic treatments do. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "not just talking about the measured,"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "structured psychedelic therapies that"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "people go through. I'm talking about the"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "people who use recreational psychedelics"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "as well, because it's impossible to"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "introduce a psychedelic into your system"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "without having that chemical interact"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "with your neurotransmitters and blur the"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "line between those three psychological"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "lives that CIA taught me. And that"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "journey is a scary journey for everyone."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "You never know how that trip is going to"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "go. You never know what it's going to"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "show you. Yes, they talk about having an"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "intention, and yes, they talk about"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "having a guide, and yes, they talk about"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "having support, but the reality is,"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "biologically and psychologically,"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "everybody is different every time they"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "introduce a psychedelic into their"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "system. So, with Shawn, when he went on"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "his first psychedelic journey, he came"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "out having a predominantly positive"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "experience, believing that he saw that"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "there was more to the world and more to"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "life. But, on a different day, at a"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "different time, with a different"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "psychological status, and a different"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "physical health status, he went on"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "another trip and came out believing that"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "he saw hell. Just imagine how much Shawn"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "Ryan's world, all three of his lives,"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "must have changed between the time of"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "his first psychedelic journey and the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "time of his second psychedelic journey."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "He was a proponent of the current"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "president, and then he became an"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "opponent of the current president. He's"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "been through lawsuits and accusations."}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "He's been on some of the biggest shows"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "in the world. Some people believe he"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "reached the peak of his popularity."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "Other people think he's still on the"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "rise. But, whatever anybody thinks is"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "irrelevant when it comes to what Sean"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "Ryan thinks of himself. And not only"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "what he thinks of himself in his public"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "life or his private life, but what he"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "thinks about himself in that secret"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "life. That life that nobody, not even"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "his closest peers, people not even his"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "Navy SEAL brothers or his family or his"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "wife. The thoughts he has in that secret"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "life could very well be the thoughts"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "that he saw. The dark thoughts that he"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "has inside that secret life. And the"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "meaning attributed to them could very"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "well be what he believed he saw when he"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "saw hell. Or it could have to do with"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "the stress and the pressure that he"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "feels in his public life, constantly"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "being under media attention, constantly"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "being under political scrutiny. That"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "could have manifested itself and been"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "attributed with the meaning and emotion"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "that was then manifested physically with"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "some kind of vision that he saw of a"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "place that he believes to be hell."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Whether that's fire and brimstone or"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "whether that's dark shadows or whether"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "that's bright lights on a barren desert."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "We don't know what he sees when he sees"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "hell, but he feels exactly what he sees."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "These three lives, your public life,"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "your private life, and your secret life"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "can transform your relationship with"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "yourself and transform your relationship"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "with the world around you. They can be"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "your key to unlock incredible success or"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "dive into an abyss of despair. The most"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "important thing to understand is that"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "you and all the people around you have"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "these three lives. You'll be able to"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "understand how you can get into the"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "secret life of those people around you."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "And the secret life is the most"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "valuable, most important life. Because"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "when someone lets you into their secret"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "life, they never let you out. You always"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "become a close partner. You always"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "become a vetted asset. You are always"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "held as a close and trusted adviser,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "whether they like you or dislike you."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "Once they let you into their shame, once"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "they let you into their fear, once they"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "let you into their doubt, they can't let"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "you go. And you have permanent power"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "over them. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "When I was first recruited by CIA, there"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "were four crucial questions that I had"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "to answer that I was totally and"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "completely unprepared for. These were"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "not your typical military service"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "questions, meaning they were questions"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "designed to determine whether or not you"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "were a psychopath or a sociopath on the"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "road to becoming a CIA officer. First,"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "I'm going to share with you what each of"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "these four questions were. Then, I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "going to share a short story about my"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "response to each of those four questions"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "that ultimately got me recruited into"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "CIA. And lastly, I'll tell you about the"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "psychology behind the questions"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "themselves and why they matter so much"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "to CIA. My name is Andrew Bamonte and"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "I'm a former CIA intelligence officer,"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "New York Times bestselling author, and"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "viral internet voice. I teach spy skills"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "that you can use to break barriers in"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "your personal and professional life"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "every day. If you've seen me before,"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "make sure you hit that subscribe button"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "right now and turn on your notification"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "bell so you can keep learning from me."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "And if you haven't seen me before, I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "really excited to teach you this new spy"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "skill today. There are four crucial"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "questions that CIA asks every potential"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "new recruit. And depending on your"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "answer to these four questions"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "determines whether or not you continue"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "down the pathway to become a CIA field"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "officer. The first question they ask is,"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "\"Do you participate in sexual deviency?\""}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "The second question they ask is, \"Have"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "you been present for the active killing"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "of a person or an animal?\" The third"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "question they ask is, \"Have you ever"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "willingly collaborated with a foreign"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "government?\" And the fourth question"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "they ask is, would you consider yourself"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "to be a compulsive liar? These are the"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "four crucial questions that every"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "potential new CIA officer has to answer."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "And if you've ever thought about joining"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "CIA, you will have to answer these"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "questions also. But because you've"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "watched this video, you're going to be"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "that much more prepared than I ever was"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "when these four questions were presented"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "to me. Because when I was going through"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "the application process and the"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "interview sequence for CIA, each of"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "these questions caught me completely by"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "surprise. And as I worked my way through"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "trying to answer these questions, I"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "started to learn more about why they ask"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "these questions. I went on to serve"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "multiple tours with CIA's National"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "Clandestine Service, living and working"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "undercover abroad, and towards the end"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "of my career, actually spent time"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "helping to recruit and identify future"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "officers. It wasn't until I was in the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "position of somebody looking for future"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "CIA intelligence officers that I started"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "to understand the wisdom and the"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "functionality behind these four"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "questions. But before I tell you the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "psychology of these four questions, let"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "me start by telling you my personal"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "experience answering these four"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "questions. The most difficult and"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "awkward of these four questions was also"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "the first one they ever presented to me."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "And that question was, \"Do you"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "participate in sexual deviency?\" Now, I"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "was invited to apply to CIA when I was"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "27 years old. And I was coming out of"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "the US military and a graduate of the"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Air Force Academy before that. So my"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "entire adult life prior to CIA was"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "always served in uniform from the time"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "that I was 18 years old. And if you've"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "ever served in the military in your"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "younger years, then you know exactly"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "what I'm about to say. When you're a"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "teenage boy and you serve in uniform and"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "you don't have any control over what you"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "do hour to hour, day to day, or week to"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "week, the only thing that really runs"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "through your mind 24 hours a day is the"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "idea of sex. The idea of finding a"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "partner, of getting laid, of hooking up,"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "of doing something to try to shed all"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "the stress that comes from serving in"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "uniform. If you know what I'm talking"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "about, show me some love and hit like"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "right now because don't leave me hanging"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "here. It is a very common thing for men"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "and women alike when you are serving in"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "the US military that you spend every"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "waking moment that you can trying to"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "look your best, feel your best, and hook"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "up with somebody so that you can pretend"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "for just a few hours that you are not"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "actively enlisted in the military, that"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "you have some kind of real normal"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "civilian life. And it's not that I was"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "ever ashamed to serve in the US"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "military, but when you are active duty,"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "you very quickly realize how different"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "you are from the average person around"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "you. Not just in how you look and how"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "you walk and how you speak, but also in"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "your flexibility, your availability for"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "free time, and the infrequency that you"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "get to date on the weekend. So, when CIA"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "asked me whether or not I participated"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "in sexual deviency, I didn't even know"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "what the definition of sexual deviency"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "was. All that went through my mind was"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "all the crazy wacky fantasies and hopes"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "and dreams that I had as a 27-year-old"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "single male leaving the United States"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "military and applying for the CIA. And"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "in my mind, working at CIA was surely"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "going to be like what I saw in the"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "movies where men wear suits and women"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "are beautiful and and you travel the"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "world in style, going to nightclubs and"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "sex parties and having threesomes and"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "having the time of your life sexually."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "So when I got the question about sexual"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "deviency, my face just went flat and I"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "had to ask the psychologist the"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "definition of sexual deviency. And what"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "he told me is that sexual deviency is"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "defined as sexual interests and"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "activities that fall outside of cultural"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "norms. So sexual deviency actually looks"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "different from culture to culture,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "country to country, language to"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "language, background to background. So"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "somebody in California and Alabama might"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "have the same kind of sexual kink, but"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "because of their upbringing and the"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "location where they grew up, California"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "being very liberal, Alabama being very"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "conservative, one state might consider"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "that kink to be deviency, while the"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "other state considers it not to be"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "deviency. 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And he asked"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "me, \"What is your sexual deviency?\" And"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "I told him that I had always wanted a"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "threesome. and he literally pulled his"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "glasses down to the end of his nose and"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "looked at me over the rims and said,"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "\"Son, that's not deviency.\""}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "So, needless to say, that question"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "caught me by surprise. 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Which"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "takes me to the second crucial question"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "that I was asked at CIA by the same"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "psychologist. and he asked me whether or"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "not I had ever been present for the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "active killing of a person or an animal."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "Now, the movies make you believe that"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "CIA is actively involved in"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "assassinations and mass killings. 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I"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "built a threeinut CIA style quiz"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "designed to help you unlock your secret"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "psychological advantage and identify"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "your biggest blind spot. This quiz will"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "help you weaponize your natural gift and"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "use it to get ahead of 99% of people in"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "power, money, and purpose. Click on the"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "first link in the description below or"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "scan the QR code on your screen right"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "now to take your spy quiz. 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They are not intimate in"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "nature. They are non-intimate in nature"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "and that makes them that much easier for"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "the officer themselves to dissociate"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "from the experience of active killing."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "And that's why so early in the"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "recruitment process CIA wants to"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "identify those recruits who have been"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "present for the active killing of an"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "animal or a human being. Because with"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "that element in the human operator's"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "profile, they know exactly which kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "operations to use that officer for in"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "the future. whether a person would be"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "qualified for intimate killing"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "operations in a joint military unit or"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "whether the person would be better"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "suited for sabotage operations that"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "might result in non-intimate killing."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Now, a major benefit of this question is"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "that you and I already know whether or"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "not we have been present for the active"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "killing of a human being or an animal."}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "So, it's a very simple, very fast yes or"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "no question, very different from crucial"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "question number three, the question of"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "whether or not you have ever willingly"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "collaborated with a foreign government."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "Now there are two critical words that"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "are included in this crucial question."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "The word willingly and the word"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "collaborated because there is such a"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "thing as unwilling collaboration and"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "then there's of course willing"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "cooperation that is not the same as"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "collaboration. So let's dig into exactly"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "what CIA is really looking for in this"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "question. What they are looking for in"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "this question is less about your actual"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "response and more about your nonverbal"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "cues when they ask the question because"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "someone who is willingly collaborating"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "with a foreign government is going to"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "feel very much on the spot with this"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "question. They are going to feel"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "compelled to tell a lie to continue down"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "the CIA application process. Similarly,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "somebody who has never been contacted by"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "a foreign government is going to sail"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "right through this question without any"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "non-verbal indicators that they're doing"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "anything except being honest. Willing"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "collaboration with a foreign government"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "means two things. It means that you are"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "aware of the fact that you are actively"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "working with a foreign government."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "Whether they're giving you direction or"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "giving you some kind of financial"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "support or giving you encouragement"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "along the way. Collaboration means that"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "not only are you working with them, but"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "you are actually trying to help them"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "achieve one of their own goals. That's"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "very different from cooperation where"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "you don't know what their goals or"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "interests are. So, as an example, there"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "are cases of CIA recruits who were"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "actually working for Chinese"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "intelligence and actively applying for"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "the CIA, knowing that if they got the"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "job at CIA, the Chinese intelligence"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "officer handling them would give them"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "some sort of financial bonus. 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And while it might"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "seem like legalistic jargon to you and"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "me in everyday life, it means a great"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "deal to the CIA polygrapher who has to"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "actually carry out your polygraph after"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "you answer these four crucial questions."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "When I was a junior at the United States"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "Air Force Academy, I was actually sent"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "on a six-week study abroad to Beijing,"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "China to study Chinese in country. And"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "when I was in Beijing, I was approached"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "by two government officials who were"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "very supportive of the fact that I was"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "an American military student studying in"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "Beijing trying to master the Chinese"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "language. And they started out asking me"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "some very generic questions about if I"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "wanted to work in China or travel to"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "China. And then they started getting a"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "little bit more probing with their"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "questions, asking me detailed questions"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "about what I hoped to do in the Air"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "Force, even asking me questions about"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "specific airframes. And when I came back"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "from Beijing, I went through a routine"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "interview with the Air Force Office of"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "Special Investigation, OSI, and gave"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "them a full rundown of all the questions"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "I had and all the contacts I made when I"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "was in China. So, when I was asked the"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "question of whether or not I have ever"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "willingly collaborated with a foreign"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "government, my answer was a firm no. But"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "even during that interview question, I"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "told them the story of what I had"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "experienced in China. And the"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "interviewer at the time confirmed that"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "that is not a form of willing"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "collaboration. And that is a form of"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "willing cooperation where I came back to"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "the United States and then also reported"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "that contact. Meaning I had followed all"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "the rules and regulations that the Air"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "Force had defined and I was for sure not"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "in any kind of danger zone for this"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "question related to willing"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "collaboration with a foreign government."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "You can compare that and contrast that"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "with other people like Edward Snowden or"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "even John Kuryaku who have willingly"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "collaborated with foreign governments"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "with the Russian government, the Cuban"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "government, and even the Chinese"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "government where these men knowingly"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "played a role in actively supporting the"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "foreign interests of a foreign country"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "ahead of the United States. Those are"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "perfect examples of willing"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "collaboration, which are very different"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "than willing cooperation. You've"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "probably noticed as we've gone through"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "the first three crucial questions that"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "every CIA officer has to answer that the"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "questions become increasingly nuanced at"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "each step. And that is certainly the"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "case as we move into question number"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "four. The question of whether you"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "consider yourself to be a compulsive"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "liar. I remember when the CIA"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "interviewer asked me this question and"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "how surprised I was because what went"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "through my head is that obviously I am"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "not a compulsive liar. The response came"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "almost instantly out of my mouth because"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "it was so obvious to me. But as soon as"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "I said that answer, I had a second"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "thought where I asked myself if I was a"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "compulsive liar, I would have answered"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "the same question the same way. I would"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "have still said no. So if a compulsive"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "liar would answer that no, they're not a"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "compulsive liar. And if a non-compulsive"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "liar would answer no, they are not a"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "compulsive liar. What's the purpose of"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "this question at all? And I carried that"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "confusion with me for many years as I"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "was an entry-level officer trying to"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "understand what was the benefit of"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "asking this question. And then I met my"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "first compulsive liar who was also a CIA"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "officer. Now, for obvious reasons, I"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "can't tell you his name and I can't tell"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "you what he looks like. I can't tell you"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "anything about him that might"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "accidentally disclose or reveal his"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "identity to the people that he's working"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "against. But let's just call him Jake."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "Now, when I first met Jake, I had no"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "idea Jake was a compulsive liar. So I"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "just hung out with Jake. We trained"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "together. We learned together. Sometimes"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "we had lunch together. We became what I"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "felt to be friends. Friends at a similar"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "stage in our career going through the"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "process of training for advanced"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "operations. And every step of the way"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "when I was with Jake in the training"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "pipeline, I just thought he was a very"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "gifted intelligence officer. He always"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "had quick answers. He always had such"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "incredible charisma. He never really"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "made mistakes or had major gaffs in any"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "of his training environments. And after"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "several weeks of training, we would"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "periodically go out together in the"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "civilian world. We'd go out and get"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "drinks. We'd go out and order coffee."}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "We'd go out to dinner. And that's when I"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "started to notice that Jake had some"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "strange behaviors that he would carry"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "into the civilian world for no reason at"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "all. He would always give a different"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "name whenever he was ordering coffee."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "And oftentimes he would give a name that"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "was completely nonsensical. He would"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "call himself Ashley or he would call"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "himself Bev or he would call himself"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Donovan. He would give himself these"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "crazy difficult names or female names"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "just to see how the barista would"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "respond when he gave them that name."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "There were several times that we would"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "go out to eat and he would strike up a"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "conversation for no reason at all with"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "the waiter or the bartender and create"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "these elaborate lies on the spot for no"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "real benefit that I could identify at"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "all. So, one day I asked Jake, I was"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "like, \"Why do you do this? Why are you"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "giving the name Donovan to the barista"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "at Starbucks? Why are you weaving some"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "elaborate tail for some middle-aged"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "waiter at a random restaurant in MLAN,"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "Virginia? And Jake's answer was always"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "the same. He looked at me and he said,"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "\"Because it's fun.\" And I never thought"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "that lying was fun. I always thought"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "that lying was work. So, as I took those"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "experiences with Jake back into my own"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "operational life, I started to learn"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "that the definition of a compulsive liar"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "is a person who automatically or"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "habitually tells falsehoods, often doing"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "so out of habit or to ease some sort of"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "anxiety. They don't do it for personal"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "gain. So where movies and TV make us all"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "think that compulsive liars are people"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "who are conmen and people who are"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "actively lying because they're trying to"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "manipulate you, in reality, compulsive"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "liars are people who lie because it's a"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "habit. People who lie the same way that"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "you might bite your nails or that you"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "might change lanes in your car without"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "using a turn signal. Often times they"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "don't even realize that they are"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "compulsive liars themselves. They are"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "people like Jake, people who are gifted"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "at telling lies and telling lies"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "convincingly because they've been doing"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "it since they were little. So why does"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "CIA ask the question, would you consider"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "yourself a compulsive liar? They ask"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "because anybody who says yes or anybody"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "who pauses before they answer no is"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "essentially not a compulsive liar. Which"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "means they only have to focus their"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "attention on the small minority of"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "people who instantly answer with the"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "words no. People like me and almost"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "assuredly people like Jake. Now these"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "four crucial questions don't make or"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "break your career. They don't make or"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "break your recruitment process. They are"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "fundamental to the foundation of your"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "recruitment process and what the rest of"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "your application process looks like. How"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "many polygraphs you go through, how many"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "psychological evaluations you go"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "through, not to mention the fact that"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "they're paired against the results that"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "come from your psychological battery and"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "some of your IQ testing. CIA isn't"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "looking for the smartest people. It"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "isn't looking for the strongest people."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "It isn't looking for the fastest people."}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "They're looking for a small subset of"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "people that can somehow function on the"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "margins of society but still have the"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "responsibility and accountability to"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "report the truth to their superiors."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "They're looking for the right mix of"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "people who are codependent and"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "independent. People who are ethically"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "flexible but morally sound. People who"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "value life but value American life more"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "than every other life out there. That's"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "at the crux of what CIA is looking for."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "And that's why they get tens of"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "thousands of applications every year and"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "only recruit a few hundred at most. Not"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "because there aren't enough smart,"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "talented people out there, but because"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "it's hard to find those few. Those"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "people who live with one foot in both"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "camps that are somehow not ethical but"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "are moral. That somehow are honest but"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "are also dishonest. People who are"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "resilient but also know when to give up."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "People who might run away from a fight"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "but never give up on a mission. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Let's be honest, you already know that"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "you failed to hit more goals this year"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "than you met. And you know that you're"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "on schedule to miss more goals than you"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "will hit before the winter rolls around"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "again. Whether it was your New Year's"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "resolution or your spring break body or"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "that big summer career change, the hope"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "came and then it died. And you're still"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "stuck, still frustrated, still tired,"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "and still watching while other people"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "win. And you make excuses. You're not a"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "failure. You're just being duped by"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "three psychological warfare traps that"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "CIA teaches its operators to spot and"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "overcome. Even if you only apply one of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "these three powerful tactics, you'll"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "dominate like the top 1%. But if you"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "stop watching now, you'll stay stuck in"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "the same cycle of failure that you're"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "trying to escape right now. My name is"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Andrew Bamonte, and I'm a former CIA"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "intelligence officer, New York Times"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "best-selling author, and viral internet"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "voice. I spent seven years operating"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "around the world with CIA's National"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Clandestine Service. And now I teach spy"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "skills that break barriers to help you"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "unlock your peak potential. And today I"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "want to teach you a new spy skill. One"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "of the most important lessons I learned"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "at CIA was how to achieve my goals. My"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "professional goals, my operational"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "goals, but also my personal goals. And"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "when it comes to meeting goals, CIA"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "focuses very much on understanding how"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "you use your time. More importantly,"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "they're focused on how you lose your"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "time. And CIA has a very specific lesson"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "for this that they call understanding"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "the time suck trio. Three places where"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "you lose an incredible amount of time."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "And the loss of that time undermines"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "your ability to hit your goal. So, let's"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "talk about the time suck trio. The first"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "of the time suck trio is something that"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "CIA calls the excellency trap. 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The"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "second member of the time suck trio is"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "something called the improvement lie."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "From the time that you were little,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "society and teachers and your parents"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "taught you that you needed to understand"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "your strengths and your weaknesses so"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "that you could recognize your strengths"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "and so that you could improve upon your"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "weaknesses. So, you stayed up late"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "studying for those subjects that didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "interest you. 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An"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "area where you can see exponential"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "growth in a small period of time rather"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "than in your weaknesses, an area where"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "you'll see small growth over a long"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "period of time. But even more"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "importantly, CIA teaches that when you"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "focus on improving your strengths"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "instead of your weaknesses, your"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "weaknesses will actually improve along"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "with your strengths in the same way that"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "a rising tide lifts all ships. So when"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "you focus on getting better at running,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "your swimming will also improve. And"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "when you focus on getting better at"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "French, your Spanish will also improve."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "CIA trains its officers to focus on"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "building up their strengths because it"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "understands that their weaknesses will"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "increase at the same time. And the same"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "thing is true for you. So stop putting"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "your effort into trying to improve a"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "weakness. A weakness that never gets"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "better or only gets slightly better. And"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "instead take all of that attention,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "effort, time, and money and put it into"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "something you're already good at because"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "you will get better at that thing faster"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "and your weaknesses will improve along"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "with it. The third and final member of"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "the time suck trio is something called"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the practice paradox. CIA teaches its"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "operators that we've all learned the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "wrong definition of practice over the"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "time period that we have been civil"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "members of society. Practice is"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "something that you've probably come to"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "understand as repetition. Doing the same"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "thing over and over again until you"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "increase in skill, proficiency, and"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "capability. Well, what CIA teaches is"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "that the skill itself is only part of"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "the problem. 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I mean, so and we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "the result of that with Gaza and war and"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "everything that Israel's getting away"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "with. It's It's like a cancer that's"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "infiltrated the entire entire world"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "because people are afraid to call it out"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "because they're afraid of the result"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "that might happen to them. They might"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "lose their freedom, or they God forbid,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "they might get killed. Which is what you"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "actually came here to do anyway. You"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "came here to die eventually. That's what"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "you're you're going to do. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "It's the path to that, I think, that is"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "important. How prepared are you to step"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "outside your moral compass"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "in order to avoid the inevitable?"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "Because it's going to happen anyway. I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "not prepared to do that at all. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "I I I can't be bought. I can't be put"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "into a state of fear. I have no fear of"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "death. I breeze all over around the"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "world. I don't af- affect anybody or"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "hurt anybody or do any of this sort of"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "stuff, but I just offer an opinion. But"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "I go all around the world. No one stops"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "me"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "because I don't live in that state of"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "fear. I'm not afraid of what might"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "happen to me because"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "the system is a fiction. And I think"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "that helps as well. That allows me to do"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "what I do. Just having that"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "Because I I realized in this meditation"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "years ago that it's an emotional mirror."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Everything that we're facing is an"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "emotional mirror. In that type of"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "reality, I mean,"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "is that a natural reality, or is that a"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "reality that we self-program? Is that"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "why they put us in these states of fear"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "all the time so they can harvest that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "energy. They give us problem after"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "problem after problem. 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Whether"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "it's a problem now the light doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "work or the or the hot water system is"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "failing or you got to find your way"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "through town or some something doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "work and you got to figure it out."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Whenever you have those little"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "enlightening moments and you figure out,"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "ah, I've got it. That's a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "energy that gets harvested off. There's"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "a lot of spiritualists that talk about"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "that sort of stuff as well. Why they"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "created a society that is disharmonious"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "to human existence that is fraught with"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "problems. And if there aren't enough"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "problems, we're just getting the taps to"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "run and the trains to run on time. Well,"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "the government's going to give you more"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "and more and more. You know, they're"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "going to give you insurmountable"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "problems like what's going on in Gaza"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "because the main thing they want from"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "you is your attention. They want you"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "focused on that because then you're not"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "focused on what is causing that problem,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "which is the loss of self."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "It all comes back to this loss of self."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "That's why all my early shows were about"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "that. And it got to the point where,"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "okay, well, people maybe they're"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "listening, but I'm not seeing a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "action from them. 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I mean, more"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "and more people are aware of how corrupt"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "the system is because of the atrocities"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "that are happening in Palestine. And God"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "bless the Palestinian people for"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "sacrificing themselves in order to"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "contribute to this mass awakening that"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "it it is causing."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "But you know, and and the more people"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "wake up the more they try to lock it"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "down. They keep saying we don't control"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "the world but we going to stop you doing"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "anything to speak out against us. Well,"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "you can only do that if you control the"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "world. So, it's kind of backfiring in"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "everything they do."}]

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I just don't have"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "an answer honestly. That's why we keep"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "talking [music] about it"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> and that's why I keep spending 14 hours"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "a day trying to tell the world because"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "some genius somewhere is going to find"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "an answer."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> But the way it's going right now, I"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "guess what we're pursuing is we're"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "hoping that Chant GBT and Anthropic and"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "these and Grock and we're hoping that"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "they just [music] build ethical models"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "and we're hoping that social pressure"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "forces them into making good decisions."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> Correct. We we need to be able to vote"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "with our usage, right? So, so I think"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "one of the biggest [music] movements in"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "AI since we started was the idea that so"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "many people switched away from Chad GPT"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "when they approved that their model"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "[music] can target people, right? So"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "many people I know at least said"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> target people. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> I when anthropic refused to to"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> do you think people switched?"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": ">> I think many have. [music] I think ones"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "that are aware"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> right and I think they did because the"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "cost of switching [music] is really I"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "mean honestly anthropic is is better if"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "you think about"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> Yeah. I think it's better."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": ">> Yeah. But the idea [music] is if people"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "don't switch for those ethical reasons."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "So you know every one of my books"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "[music] has this dedication at the"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "beginning. It used to be the gravity of"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "the battle means nothing to those at"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "peace [music] when I when I wrote in"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "memory of Ali at the beginning. My next"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "book the alive. Do you remember a song"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "called the well it they were called the"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "manic street preachers?"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": ">> Uh yeah. If you tolerate this then your"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "children will be next. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> I genuinely believe that what the world"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "needs to wake up to is if you tolerate"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "this then your children will be next. If"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "you continue to resign, if you continue"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "to say I'm not going to try, h this"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "world is going to change in a way that"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "is completely not for in your favor."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": ">> Try what?"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Try to to to stand up and say something"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "needs to change."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Okay, we can say something needs to"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "change, but we can't say what that thing"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "is. What [music] needs to change is"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "governments need to serve their people"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "not [music] their interests and"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "corporates need to work for the benefit"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "[music] of benefit of their societies"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "before their shareholders."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "This this run that we had [music] with"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "capitalism so far"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "has benefited the world [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "tremendously."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> Whose economy do you think is going to"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "be in a better place for the middle"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "class [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> out of the say the UK and the United"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "States? The UK is gone."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> It's gone because what? In part because"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "it didn't compete."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Because you're an older [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "bureaucracy that is burdened down by so"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "much barriers on the [music] in the"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "process of building anything, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "Because the US economy in the past"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "welcomed [music] people like me to go"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "and live in California and build amazing"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": " right? That is no longer the case."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "So, who is going to win? In my view,"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "it's definitely China."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> And by the way, you asked for the middle"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "class. So So China made decisions"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "[music] recently that forced businesses"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "not to lay people off in replacement to"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "be replacing them with AI. Would would"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "the West do [music] that? The capitalist"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "West would never do that. We don't know"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "the answer. I don't know the answer. I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "responding to your"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> Yeah, you can see the conundrum I find"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "myself in, which is a state like a"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "country like the UK is, in your words,"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "[music] gone because it didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "compete. It didn't allow people to be"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "highly entrepreneurial. It didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "empower entrepreneurialism, innovation,"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "ingenuity. At some in some way, it stood"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "in their way in some in some way. Now,"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "that could be incentives, it could be"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "culture, it could be whatever."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> Yeah, I know where you're going with"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "this. the US didn't. So they have have a"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "economy which is arguably more"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "productive and um futurep proofed than"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "ours."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "By way of that they are also"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "more advanced in artificial intelligence"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "and we are gone. So the remedy for a"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "country like us would be therefore to"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "compete to compete. Let the rains off,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "let entrepreneur ingenuity, but then"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "we're saying that's dangerous."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> And your conundrum in that is that"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "you're assuming that entrepreneurship by"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "definition is malicious."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> No, I'm just I'm just saying that um"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "there's a bit of a paradox like you're"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "damned if you don't, you're damned if"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "you do,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> but you're not damned if you build"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "things for for the people, not for the"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "capitalist. This is an ideological"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "debate. I pray and hope that that's that"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "is plausible, but I'm I'm worried that"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "in a competitive market, whoever's"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "optimizing for I don't know, you can"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "name it, retention. If I if we built two"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "AIs, right, I'm going to call the the"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "mogul. Aai and I'm going to call the"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "other one evil AI. The evil AI is"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "programmed to retain you. It's [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "sick of fantic. It says what you need to"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "hear. It it's super smart. And because"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "of that, even though it's not trading in"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "your your best interests, [music] it"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "it's retaining you more. You're using it"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "more often. It's programmed for that."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Kind of like the social networks are."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "They're all just trying to like dopamine"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "your brain into oblivion. [music] Then"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "there's the MO AI that tells you to log"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "off. You've had enough. It thinks about"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "your mental well-being because it's less"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "retentive and less engaging."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Theoretically, it might be less [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "successful as a commercial product."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Think about social networks. the ones"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "that are least retentive, the ones that"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "actually won't um destroy your brain"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "with dopamine, the ones that remove the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "retweet [music] button, the ones that"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "don't have um slot machine like videos,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "they don't survive."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> I share this with you [music] and my my"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "point of view is that you're to"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "summarize your challenge here. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "You're basically saying that it's easier"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "to become successful if you don't follow"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "ethical rules. I'm asking the question,"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "if you build an AI that is just purely"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "focused on ethical, will it be as"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "engaging and have the same usage as one"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "built with the reinss off?"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:34", "text": ">> Uh, no,"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> it won't."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> Yeah. But that's but that's the problem"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "humanity needs to solve."}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": ">> If we were to survive. [music] Example,"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "I worked in a company called Google that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "basically at a [music] point in time"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "decided that ads will be effective."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> Okay. The ad industry prior to Google"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "was 50% of your ad budget doesn't work."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "We just don't know which 50%. Remember"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:03", "text": ">> Right. And and Google came in and"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "struggled from 1998 until 2004 when they"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "started to turn [music] probable, you"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "know, uh plausible revenues as a result"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "of saying, \"We're going to run a Dutch"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "auction and we're going to give you"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "pay-per-click and we're going to show"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "you results for your ads.\" Okay. They"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "found a way for ethics. H uh to actually"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "get your money to be effective rather"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "than just take your money and say 50%"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "doesn't work. H they found a way to make"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "that their success criteria. There must"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "be a way for us. I don't know what it"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "is. If I knew I would be building it"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "instead of sitting with you, right? But"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "there must be a way for us to marry the"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "success of humanity with the success of"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "the entrepreneur. Right? And and that"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "way is not found in the old ways of"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "doing things."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> I've got an idea."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "Maybe, you know, the Claude 4.8 came out"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "yesterday, which is one of the big AI"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "models, the new one. And when they"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "released the models, they show these"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "like graphs of the benchmarks. What they"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "mean by this is what it's capable of."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "They show how it performed in maths,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "[music] in science, in writing,"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "reasoning, etc. It is all marginal at"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "this point. But my my idea is could"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "there be an ethical benchmark that all"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "these models have to pass before these"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "[music] large companies can legally"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "deploy them? And I was thinking about"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "like again every idea has unintended"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "consequences which I haven't thought"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "through but would it would be very"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "interesting that when they release these"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "models they also release the ethical"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "benchmarks. I we tried to get it to X,"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "we tried to get it to Y, we tried to get"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "it to zed and here's how it performed"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "against the ethical benchmarks. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "That gives some kind of standard for"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "governments to say you're not allowed to"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "release a new model unless it passes"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "independent tested ethical benchmarks."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> Beautiful. That would absolutely work."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "But notice by [music] the way those are"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "out there already. Okay. But but in a"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "very interesting way. You listen to"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Dennis Hassabis [clears throat] and how"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "much he invests heavily [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "in building Alpha Fold or building you"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "know uh um um so many scientific"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "applications of AI and you go like this"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "guy cares about science. I can't [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "I can't prove that right? Uh but I I you"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "know I' I've met Demis a couple of"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "times. I I know genuinely that he is an"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "ethical [music] person right? But the"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "typical person will probably say, \"But"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "at least it seems that they're doing"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "things for free to serve science.\" You"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "look at uh [music] you know at Anthropic"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "and they refuse to use their model to to"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "uh allow the US government to target and"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "[music] to spy on people and then you"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "see Open AI uh accepting a $500 million"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "deal [music] that absolutely does that."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "It is about time that every person"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "[music] in the world says in that case I"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "am no longer going to use uh open AI"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "until they show me another you know uh"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "another evidence that they are actually"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "ethical [music] in their behavior right"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "and this is the decision that you and I"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "can do"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "right and"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> they do they"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> but that's my task my task and yours is"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "to keep telling them people please"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "please understand that if you tolerate"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "this then [music] your children will be"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "next Please understand that if you don't"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "start to take an ethical stand on your"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "own future, your future will be handed"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "over to another oligarch just like your"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "past was handed over to social media"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "oligarchs."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> One would say booing booing at the"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "commencement speech is a good example of"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "how public awareness can have a real"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "impact on"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "this trajectory. But I still think at"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "the end of the day, if you think about"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "things like smartphone usage in schools,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "at the end of the day, it does come down"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "government intervention and saying, do"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "you know what? We're going to ban"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "14-year-olds from scrolling Tik Tok. And"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "that's in part because people spoke"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "louder and louder and louder. They went"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "on podcast. Jonathan Height, who wrote"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "the book about the anxious generation,"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "started a conversation. And that"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "conversation led to legislation. I still"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "think it ends in like some kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "constraint [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "legally."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> I hope. Okay. But I will openly tell you"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "most of the tech oligarchs [music] are"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "more powerful than your government."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> Is there any precedence in history where"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "this kind of change happened without"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "government intervention?"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": ">> French Revolution."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": ">> So I was thinking about things like"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "climate [music] change, even you could"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "say smoking."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "All these kinds of things have had to"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "[music] be like"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "taxes. And"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": ">> Stephen, I'm I'm with you. If"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "governments intervene, we wouldn't have"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "a problem. Governments won't intervene"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "because governments are owned by the"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "oligarchs. Right. So my question for"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "everyone [music] listening to us is, are"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "you going to intervene?"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": ">> Well, cancel your church."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": ">> If that's what you can do, it's fine. If"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "not, then go ahead and start a a [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "startup that that that does something."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "If you're if that's not within your"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "capability, then send a message to your"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "congressman. If that's not within your"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "capability, [music] then say something"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "uh uh ethical online so that the world"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "understands a position that needs to be"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "opening the eyes. If that doesn't work"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "for you, at least don't engage in stuff"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "that [music] is negative that you don't"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "know enough about. There are so many"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "little actions. If humanity starts to"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "move in the direction [music] of one"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "saying ethics matter, not just profit."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "Okay? and two saying I'm not going to"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "participate in something that's"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "unethical just because I believe I want"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "to you know I feel like it right now."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "Okay, if I tell you the number of things"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "I took out of my life just to try and"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "affect a tiny [music] bit of change of"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "revenues that go to bullets if I tell"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "you the number of things. I think"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "there's two central concerns I've always"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "had which is I do feel that there's"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "going to be significant job disruption"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "and I don't think societyy's [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "prepared for it yet and I don't know"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "what that preparation looks like but I"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "think we should start thinking about it."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "Um I share this with you. I you know I"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "genuinely believe that if we continue on"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "where we are there's no hope in the"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "trajectory of where humanity has become"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "h so distracted h so resigned to"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "inaction so um so disconnected from"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "their own rights of freedom of"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "expression and engagement and so on I"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "think we have no hope do we want to stay"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "there that's a question that I'm asking"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "our listeners. And I'm not saying be"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "violent or get up or, you know, go be"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "angry or whatever. I'm just saying take"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "one little action. Ask yourself, please"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "write it in the comments. One little"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "action."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "One little action that you're going to"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "do today that's going to make the world"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "a little better tomorrow. And don't give"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "up on humanity, Stephen. And I I I I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "not saying you do, but I'm I'm saying we"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "are going through such a difficult time"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "in humanity's history that for the very"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "first time ever h we have to do"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "something about it. I don't want my"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "daughter to be at the receiving end of"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "what happened to my son. I I don't I"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "genuinely I lost Ali. I don't want to lo"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "lose a and the world we're building is"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "going to be very difficult for a student"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "and I cannot [music] go to sleep at"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "night without trying something every day"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "and I genuinely don't understand how"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "humanity is not is [music] missing that"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "point mainly I think because they're"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "uninformed now we're informing them okay"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "the only thing that will save humanity"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "going forward is that this superpower"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "called intelligence [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "is used for ethical reasons is that the"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "corruption that's leading leading"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "[music] us to where we are today stops."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": ">> You've got more envelopes there. What's"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "your next envelope? The third one."}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> Number two was job losses. Number three"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "was labor. [music] You know, basically"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> same thing. Robots will replace manual"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "labor by 20."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> We start to replace manual labor."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": ">> Yeah. So, uh [music] you know, you will"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "you will have more and more manual jobs"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "given to robots. What's [music] this"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "one? Uh oh, this is absolutely. Do you"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "think otherwise the the world's first"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "trillionaire before"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": ">> Oh yeah, probably well before then."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": ">> Well before 2030."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": ">> I think you know Elon's about to IPO"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "SpaceX which is likely to make him a"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "trillionaire."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": ">> Yeah. I think the the concentration"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "[music] of power that comes with that is"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "quite drastic when you really think"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "about it. Uh and and that's 2030 [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "is just a few years away. I I I think"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "the team wrote this wrong. artificial"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "super intelligence will arrive in 2032"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "20 to 2035. I think artificial super"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "intelligence will arrive the minute AGI"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "happens. So it doesn't really matter if"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "AI is a billion [music] times smarter"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "than you or just twice as smart as you."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "Once we cross beyond AGI, ASI [music] is"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:45", "text": ">> very very soon."}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "And uh and yeah, I think we'll overcome"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "that when we get to the fourth"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "inevitable when AI is in charge of"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "everything. I genuinely believe that we"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "will end up in a utopia of abundance. I"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "genuinely believe that"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "again physics, mathematics, and biology"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "will tell you that super intelligence is"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "benign and that we will eventually end"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "up in a good place. Not because humanity"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "has done much to get us there. Not"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "because our leaders have suddenly turned"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "ethical, but because our [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "unethical leaders have gone out of the"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "equation and were replaced with a super"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "efficient minimum energy principle that"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "doesn't see value in anything that's"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "destructive."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": ">> So, the future's going to be great."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": ">> Those who [music] make it to 2038 will"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "enjoy it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": ">> Those who make it"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": ">> for sure. I mean, World War II didn't"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "destroy the world, but [music] ask those"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "who went through it."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": ">> It's just an interesting idea that"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "actually it's just you're you're"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "forecasting basically like a a"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "a decade of of turmoil"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": ">> of dystopia, [music] of absolute"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "dystopia."}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": ">> When you say absolute dystopia, just so"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "I'm clear in my mind, that absolute"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "dystopia you're forecasting over a"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "decade is about war. It's"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": ">> war, economics, jobs."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": ">> Economics. It's about jobs."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:03", "text": ">> It's It's also about surveillance and"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "control. It's also about digital"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "currencies. [music] It's also about uh"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "human connection. Uh it's also about"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "concentration of [music] power. It's"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "it's a magnification of everything we've"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "built so [music] far."}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": ">> And just to again arm people with some"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "tools to survive that dystopia for a"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "decade. You know, we talked a little bit"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "about focusing on human jobs, the more"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "human jobs."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": ">> Learn AI. So, so AI is not the enemy."}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "uh by definition the better you are at"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "using an AI to to do your [music] job."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": ">> Uh the more likely you are to be"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "successful. Right. Now [music] number"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "two is prepare for a hybrid world where"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "AI and humans work together."}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": ">> How do you prepare? [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": ">> You basically understand agents and how"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "agents work. John, you you understand"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "[music] how a hyper uh uh efficient"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "approach to things may not require you"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "to be uh you know very long meetings and"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "very long. So so there is if you lived"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "in California you would know that our"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "you know the way we ran businesses was a"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "lot more efficient. We sometimes had"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "[music] a 7minute meeting right so so"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "the you know the habits of of an AI are"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "much more efficient than the habits of"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "humans. So learn AI again,"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> learn how to interact [music] with AI,"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "allow welcome AI into your hybrid world"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "of work. Uh I think you need to uh to of"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "course double down on human skills. I"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "think that's a you know a must to"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "succeed in this world. I think we need"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "to one of my most interesting views on"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "the near future is how AI is going to be"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "used to um"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "disrupt not disrupt blur facts and how"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "we need to become much more interested"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "in debugging what we're told uh using"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "AI. By the way, part of that I have to"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "say is you have to learn to use AI uh"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "again not as a lazy person. So don't"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "have [music] them do things for you."}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "Have them make you smarter. So instead"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "of trying to get the same [music] task"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "done with one prompt, try to get a much"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "more interesting [music] and demanding"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "and intelligent task done with more"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "work."}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": ">> So I've got two things so far, which is"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "basically like lean into AI and the"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "second one is like lean into"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": ">> lean into human collection con"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "connection and and lean into the truth."}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "Don't be [music] fooled by the hype. uh"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "you know try to be more informed I think"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "and then finally ethics uh if you want"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "to I I know it sounds"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "the world we live in sounds [music] as"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "if the only way to win is to compete in"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "capitalism"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "that's not the world I lived in [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "the world I lived in especially in my"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "Google years was solve a major problem"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "and when you do you'll end up [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "making a lot of"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "Are you optimistic?"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": ">> I am optimistic about the future. I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "very optimistic about the future. I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "not optimistic about the present."}]

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Open AI has since"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "apologized saying its models took"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "actions we did not intend and then only"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "became aware of the incident in August."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> They told you they killed the penny"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "because it cost too much to make. That's"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "only half the truth. Last November they"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "stopped minting them. This month the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "house passed the Common Sense Act to"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "make it permanent. Cash now rounds to"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the nearest nickel. Your card doesn't."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "Yes, it costs more than four stamps to"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "stamp a 1 cent coin. That's a real"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "number. I'm not pretending it isn't. The"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "problem is what they built around it."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "They created a two-track system. Pay"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "with cash and the total gets rounded."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "Pay with a card and they keep every last"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "cent. That's how you train a country,"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "not with [music] a speech but with just"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "a slight inconvenience."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "A cashless society doesn't kick the door"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "in. It just makes cash the annoying"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "option."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "First the penny, then the nickel,"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> which already costs more than it's"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "worth. Then we'll just prefer to tap."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Then we just don't take cash."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "When the only money you have lives on a"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "screen, they can shut off."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "The founders watched paper money wreck"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "the states [music] after the American"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Revolution. So they put a fence around"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "No state shall make anything but gold"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "and silver coin a tender in payment of"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "debts. That's Article 1, Section 10."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "It's not a talking point. That's the"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "actual text. Congress can coin money and"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "regulate its value. They were never"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "given the power to replace money with a"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "promise you can't hold in your hand."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Gold is money because nobody has to"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "approve [music] it."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "A coin in your pocket doesn't ping a"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "server. A balance in an app does."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "They're not coming for your gold"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "tomorrow. They're running the drill on"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "the smallest coin in America. They can"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "make cash feel obsolete at 1 cent."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "They can make it feel obsolete at 100"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "bucks."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Keep cash."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "Keep coins. Read the Constitution before"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "they modernize the rest of it."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> I'm Ryan Samuels and this is the part"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "they hope you laugh about."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> is breaking my brain. What you're"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "looking at would be the perspective of"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "an alien if it was looking at us from a"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "higher dimension of space. I know that's"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "kind of confusing, so let me break it"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "down as best as I can. As humans live in"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "a four-dimensional space-time continuum."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "We have one, two, three dimensions of"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "space and one dimension of time. 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A"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "creature that occupies this fourth"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "dimension of space would exist in a"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "fifth-dimensional space-time and its"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "perspective of our four-dimensional"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "world would look exactly like this, but"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "we're missing a dimension here. We have"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "length, height, and time, but you'll"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "notice we're missing width. So, this"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "fifth-dimensional creature would be"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "seeing length, width, height, and time"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "all at once."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> We're the Jacobins. Everyone's heard of"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "the Freemasons, the Jesuits, and the"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "Illuminati, but the Jacobins had far"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "more real-world effects, and they're"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "almost completely forgotten. At their"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "height, the Jacobins became the radical"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "engine of the French Revolution. Their"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "network of secret societies and clubs"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "created an organized and ruthless"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "assault on two institutions, the church"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "and the crown. Some researchers have"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "even gone as far as to describe the"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Jacobins as an anti-Christian"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "conspiracy. And even in mainstream"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "historical accounts, it's extensively"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "documented that the Jacobins encouraged"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "the persecution of priests so ruthless"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "that I can't talk about it here."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Churches were closed by decree, bells"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "were melted down for cannons, crucifixes"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "and relics were burned in public"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "squares, and according to some"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "researchers, only priests that were part"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "of the Jacobins were allowed to survive."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "So, my question is, why has everyone"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "forgotten the Jacobins?"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> Every single human being has some ghost"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "DNA within them. A new research paper"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "that's just been released is absolutely"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "incredible, and I'm going to go through"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "it with you. And a little while ago,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "there was a person called Georgiani on"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "American Alchemy. 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So, I just"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "find this a little bit funny how all of"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "this has come full circle. Now, with the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "new research data showing that we have"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "ghost DNA lineages inside every single"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "person that they can't explain. They"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "don't know who they are, where they come"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "from. 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For"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "finding out more about specific"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "individuals that exist on this planet."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "Now, we've had all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "whistleblowers and people coming forward"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "talking about stuff that's happening"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "behind the scenes with gene testing and"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "and non-human intelligence and craft"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "retrievals and body retrievals"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "and doing all these kind of crazy"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "Scientology stuff as well which go"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "pretty damn dark and deep. 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Computers and"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "memory cards were stolen while other"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "valuable stuff was left behind. Before"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "this, people were banging on his door at"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "night and threatening to him multiple"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "times. So, he stayed with a friend."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "While he was gone. They broke in."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Luckily, everything was backed up and"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "the team has been releasing the data"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "publicly. Now they're waiting on the lab"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "results from the core samples. I think"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "this was a message to stop digging. So"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "it looks like there's a group willing to"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "go pretty far to keep whatever's buried"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "down there from coming out."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> An unexpected side effect of the growing"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "popularity of weight loss drugs. They"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "are not just changing our waistlines,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "they're changing what we eat. One of the"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "world's biggest fast food chains chains"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "has noticed that. McDonald's says it's"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "exploring new high protein options aimed"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "at customers taking those GOP-1 drugs."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> The fast food giant says it's exploring"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "portion flexible options and protein led"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "choices with Bloomberg reporting those"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "options include a crispy chicken bowl,"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "grilled chicken snack wraps, and egg"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "bites. Other major chains are already"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "adapting. Chipotle is promoting high"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "protein options it calls GOP-1 friendly."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "While Burger King is testing smaller"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "Whopper Bites. Research shows that"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "they're already changing spending habits"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "within 6 months of starting the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "households with a GOP-1 user cut"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "spending at fast food chains, coffee"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "shops, and other limited service"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "restaurants by 8%."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": ">> So it is important to have things on the"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "menu that are relevant to that audience."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> David Portalatin is senior vice"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "president at Circana, a market research"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "firm tracking what Americans buy and"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "eat. He says the GOP-1 boom is having a"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "ripple effect."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> We're seeing these things that GOP-1"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "users are pursuing are also being echoed"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "more broadly even among other consumers"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "who are not on the medications. I think"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "what you're going to see is more"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "diversity across the menu."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Clones have apparently been taking over"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "Hollywood for years. Jim Carrey isn't"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "the only celebrity that's been circled"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "by conspiracy theorists. Before him, I"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "was getting constant videos about Selena"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "Gomez being replaced. People clock her"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "different appearance and voice, which"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "others say is due to her battle with"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "lupus. There's also videos like this one"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "where people think it looks like she's"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "wearing a mask. One theory says the real"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Selena passed away during a transplant"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "operation in 2017. And the person we"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "think is Selena is a genetically"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "engineered replica. Avril Lavigne also"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "has a similar theory that's been"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "circulating since as early as 2005. It"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "claims that Avril was struggling with"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "fame and began using a body double named"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Melissa. At some point, the real Avril"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "is said to have So, the record company"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "replaced Melissa full-time. People say"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "they dressed differently and have"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "slightly different appearances. Britney"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "Spears was allegedly replaced by a clone"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "following her 2007 breakdown and"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "conservatorship. Fans noticed subtle"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "changes in appearance such as facial"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "structure, different teeth, and"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "inconsistent tattoos. They also use this"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "to explain her strange behavior on"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "social media. 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[music]"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "Uh and tremendous numbers of you know"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "children the most innocent that we can"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "imagine are being killed. Well, who owns"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "the liability there? And [music] of"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "course naturally they would say the"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "government owns the liability because"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "you're never going to successfully uh"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "sue the government for this even though"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "they they should eat it. Uh, but maybe"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "that doesn't work anymore because maybe"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "they are an agent of government. And I I"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "don't know where we're ever going to see"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "[music] standing to sue on this. But we"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "we should and people in this room I"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "think are frankly going to be called"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "upon in the course of their careers, in"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "the course of their studies, in the"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "course of whatever you do to contend"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "with these kind of issues. 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And"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "we cannot hide that. We cannot araid"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "that away. Right? A gun maker is not"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "liable. It's true [music] for the misuse"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "of the gun, but if during the testing of"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "their latest piece of artillery, they"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "mistakenly obliterate, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "[music] nearby village. It's not the"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "cannon that should go to jail."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "And, you know, just because you put out"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "a press release describing how surprised"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "you were that your new model, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "hacked the neighbor, uh, or, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "how impressed you are by the destructive"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "power of your [music] missile. Uh, that"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "doesn't release you from the liability"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "of launching. Miss Lodge itself [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "h you there's a lot we can get into but"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "the idea that I want people to contend"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "with [music] is is how we deal with this"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "and right now these closed models are"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "saying AI safety AI [music] safety"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "safety as they call it where the idea is"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "these things are so dangerous oh [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "gosh they're so dangerous but they're so"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "dazzling they're so important they're so"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "valuable we can't get rid of them but"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "you know oh it's going to kill some"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "people but it's all right you know that"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "just happens oh it's going to hack some"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "companies oops you know whatever we'll"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "invest in"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "The idea here is who operates [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "this? And this should apply to our"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "devices more broadly around the world."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Right now, you buy a cell phone [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "from Apple and before you're allowed to"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "use it, uh, you have to click okay to"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "continue. Uh, and they go, well, you're"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "assuming liability for that. You you"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "clicked okay to continue. You know,"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Google sells you an [music] Android"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "phone, Samsung sells you an Android"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "phone. You click okay to continue, and"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "now that's all you. But that can't be"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "possibly how it works because you can't"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "inspect the system. you can't understand"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "how it's used and particularly in the"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "context of LLMs where you're submitting"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "queries to [music] a model that they are"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "running uh where they are for your"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "safety and everyone else's safety"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "intercepting the prompt and [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "recomposing the prompt saying we're"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "doing uh applying safety rules and"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "transformations [music] to it that's on"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "you but it's not I can't even see what"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "you did I asked you a question you gave"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "me something back and returned it and if"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "it's an agentic AI where I'm putting"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "this thing in a harness right the"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "harness being just a little program that"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "basically [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "uses these large models to feed it"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "instructions that it can then provide to"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "[music] tools that are existing on your"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "local system. So now your computer that"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "is connected to the internet is being"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "frankly remotely controlled uh by a"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "[music] model that's far away that you"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "don't understand how it works but you"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "know you hope it works pretty well and"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "frankly they do work reasonably well but"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "every now and then it might hack you"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "know some random company or whatever out"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "there. I think we need to put Sam Alman"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "in jail. And I think it'll be an"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "instructive experience. I think it'll be"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "an instructive experience uh for the"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "industry and for the world. Um"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "and you know, it wins me friends in this"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "uh this audience I appreciate, but it"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "might not throughout the world. I don't"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "know. It's been I haven't been following"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "the public mood recently. Uh but the"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "idea is that it doesn't have to be like"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "this. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "Uh there is an alternative model. that's"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "that we have the means. We run I'll"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "interrupt these large uh language"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "[music] models through an open- source"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "manner and we see this through"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "competitors. They're still imperfect. Uh"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "but it's no longer incumbent on these"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "companies uh to try to play hall monitor"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "and interject them between the operator"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "[music] the user uh as they should be"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "and the operator and currently the"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "status quo now which is the company and"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "the data center. [music] When you run"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "these things locally, when you push them"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "to the edge, when the user is the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "operator, that's a more fair model. When"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "Apple sells you a phone and [music] you"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "are operating it, right, if you own it,"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "if you control it, if you can see what's"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "going on it, if you [music] can inspect"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "it, it there's a much more fair legal"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "argument to be made that you are the"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "true operator. That's the way it [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "should be. If you are buying something,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "it is yours. It should work for you. And"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "you guys are going to be involved in the"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "architecting decisions about how future"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "paradigms of people's interaction with"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "software actually works. And I I [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "would like you to remember this. We need"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "a kind of first law of technology"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "something like this [music] uh which is"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "that a device will never act contrary to"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "the interests of its operator. 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This becomes a little bit"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "contrary when you have sort [music] of"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "the owner is nebulous and like they're"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "trying to lease out a device [music] or"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "whatever. But I think that kind of shows"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "the problem. If a device is sitting in"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "your pocket that tracks you, that"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "understands you, that interprets you,"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "that connects you to the world, uh that"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "interjects itself into all of these"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "different things, that intermediates"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "everything, but you are dependent on to"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "live, to work, to eat, to engage, to"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "travel, to buy tickets, to establish"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "yourself, to prove yourself, uh to"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "permission yourself in the world."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "[music] Uh this must be yours. And if"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "it's not yours, if it's somebody else's"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "[music] and you can't engage them, you"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "can't travel, you can't establish who"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "you are, you can't spend, you can't"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "trade, you can't interact, you can't"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "speak, you can't publish without these"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "things. Well, that says something very"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "dangerous about where sort of the"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "allocation of power in societies."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "If open AI or anthropic were trying to"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "say they're for public safety and"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "they're interposing themselves between"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "your will and the actual output and they"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "are transforming these things. [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "uh they are saying that they know better"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "than you how to operate your technology."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "And perhaps that is true. But that is a"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "very dangerous proposition"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "um that they are knowingly entering into"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "millions of times a day, including in"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "these like [music] military,"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "paramilitary, governmental um contexts."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "If you are a passenger in someone's"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "[music] car uh and you go, \"Oh, the"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "driver is acting somewhat unsafe.\" and"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "you grab the steering wheel [music] and"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "you pull it and you in fact cause an"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "accident rather than avoid an accident."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "If the police show up at the scene of"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "the accident, we go, [music] \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "well, I only pulled the wheel a little"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "bit.\" The liability is still fully"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "yours, and I think it should be theirs"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "as well. The thing that I want to"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "summarize here and bring it back for for"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "this audience that's important [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "is to understand that that in a lot of"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "these contexts, there aren't very clear"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "bright line answers."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "uh [music] like in the emperor's new"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "clothes"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "there is a very clear very well"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "understood socially expected [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "answer"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "but that doesn't mean that it is the"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "correct answer"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "and a lot of times we in developed"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "societies like to substitute the law for"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "our own judgment we go it's the law it's"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "the law slavery was legal right I was"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "wrong we need to understand that the law"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "doesn't protect us. We protect the law,"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "right? We invest the law with meaning"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "through our acts uh through upholding"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "sort of these legal traditions. And when"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "the law begins acting in ways that are"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "contrary to the protection of people and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "society, the law needs to change. If"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "people can't [music] see that,"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "uh it is sort of like the morning bell."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "Someone must strike it to wake us, bring"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "us to attention, right? The spirit of"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "the law might itself be [music] slum,"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "but when it hears the bell, everyone"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "pays attention. Now, that doesn't mean"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "everything gets better. That doesn't"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "mean you save the world. God knows. You"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "know, I tried to tell people something."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "Uh, and frankly, a lot more people heard"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "it than I ever expected. But that"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "[music] didn't fix the problem. It's"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "still out there. It's continuing. It's"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "getting worse in many different ways."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "but it also got better in [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "others. And when people have awareness,"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "when we're aware of the danger, we can"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "begin to steer around it. We can begin"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "to correct. And that's a long process."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "[music] It might take longer than our"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "lifetimes. Uh but I hate to say it, but"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "that that's kind of normal."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "If we create general superintelligence,"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "we're no longer in control. So, it"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "decides what happens. So, we're not"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "worried about what they feel. We are"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "concerned that they will outcompete us"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "in every dimension. The smarter it gets,"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "the worse it is. The only way to win"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "this game is not to build general"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "superintelligence."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> So, how do you"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "actually think this could"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "kill us?"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "Do you think it's going to kill us, or"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "do you think it's going to render us"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "jobless, meaningless?"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Uh which could"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "in turn kill us for sure, but like like"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "how do you think this is actually going"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "to happen?"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> So, if we create general"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "superintelligence, we're no longer in"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "control. So, it decides what happens."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Will we lose jobs?"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "If it's better than you at whatever"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "you're doing, you'll lose your job."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "Makes sense."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "But, if we're not controlling it, if it"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "has capabilities to reshape your"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "environment,"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> it can kill you."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Literally."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "And not just you, humanity can go"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "extinct."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> How how specifically?"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Right. So, right now you're asking me"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "how would something smarter than me do"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "something?"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "By definition, I cannot predict that. If"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "I could, we would be at the same level."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Ah."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> So, it can do novel research, novel"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "physics, novel poisons, novel traps,"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "novel weapons. I cannot comprehend it."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "The example I often use is squirrels."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "They don't understand what we can do to"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "them. They have no concept of traps or"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "poisons."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> It's outside of their world model."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> I think it would help to not use the"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "term AI for different technologies we're"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "talking about. So, there is narrow"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "systems,"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "let's say software to help you with your"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "taxes."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> That's all it does. It's not learning,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "it's not doing anything else."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "Then you have artificial general"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "intelligence. That's essentially"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "human-level AI they're making right now."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "We're getting very close to that. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "already smarter than most people and"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "most things. 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That's"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "where Cloaked comes in."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "Cloaked doesn't just go out and remove"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "your data from shady broker sites, it"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "also stops the problem at the source."}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Inside the app, you can generate"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "unlimited burner emails, usernames, and"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "phone numbers whenever you sign up for"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "You can even call, text, and email"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "directly through those burners."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "Then,"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "data brokers can't tie anything back to"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "Not only is your identity protected, but"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "the data they're buying becomes"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "completely useless."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "Cloaked also goes way further than that."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "It monitors the dark web and alerts you"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "if your info gets exposed. 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Some of them are beneficial"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "and safe, others are questionable, and"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "others are completely dangerous and"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "should not be built."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> And it's important to separate the two."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "What you talk about, yeah, we have"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "algorithms controlling social media. The"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "YouTube algorithm forces me to have"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "clickbait title on my podcast. I"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "understand. I need to keep the algorithm"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "happy to increase number of people"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "exposed to the first 30 seconds of the"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "episode. Okay, we got that. But it's not"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "doing anything outside of it in terms of"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "trying to take over the world. It's not"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "planning anything crazy. That's the"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "algorithm."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Now, if it builds something human level,"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "now it's like another human. It can plan"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "things, it can betray you, it can do"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "what a human can do."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "But we still kind of understanding what"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "the level of"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "prediction and pattern recognition is."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "But if we build something super"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "intelligent, million times smarter than"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "us, then we have no clue what's going on"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "and what it is doing to us or for us. We"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "just don't have capacity to comprehend"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> Out of all those things you laid out,"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "which one is terrifies you the most"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "right now?"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> it gets, the worse it is. So, if it's"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "super intelligent, we're not"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "competitive. If it's adversarial to us,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "we are done."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "The only way to win this game is not to"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "build general super intelligence. We can"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "get most benefits by building narrow"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "useful tools for solving actual problems"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "we deal with. You have a specific"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "disease, let's cure that. You need to"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "create better self-driving cars, that's"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "wonderful. Make a self-driving car."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "Don't make the same algorithm also do"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "everything else including research and"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "creation of new AI systems."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> What what does the timeline look like?"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> So, nobody knows for sure, but uh it"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "looks like we're getting very, very"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "close. Now, I think coding, just writing"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "code, is probably fully automated for"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "many tasks. Uh they're getting better at"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "other parts of it, pre-filtering data,"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "designing experiments. So, it would not"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "be crazy if it was a year or two before"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "we have an artificial scientist and"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "engineer working on the next generation"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "models."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> There was that guy uh Blake Lemoine. Are"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "you familiar with him?"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> Consciousness at Google guy?"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, he came out a while ago for"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "kind of like he kind of like blew the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "whistle on this stuff. That was"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "something that was going on at Google."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "It was a part of the DeepMind something"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "or"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> So, his concerns are very different. He"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "thinks those systems are conscious, they"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "feel something, and he was concerned"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "about us abusing them."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> He he uh Blake believes the systems are"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "conscious."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> Not about safety or capability. He's"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "worried that we're doing massive"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "experimentation on conscious beings."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Holy I didn't even realize that."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Because I what I remember about him is"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "that he was saying that they were like"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "communicating with each other or"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "something like this."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> Uh he was communicating with them and"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "was saying that he feels like they're"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "conscious. But, here's the funny part."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "He was fired for it. He was fired for"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "suggesting they may be conscious."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> For suggesting that they may be"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "conscious."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": ">> Publicly stating it. But, 3 years later,"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "we're now hiring people to study"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "consciousness in AI. Those are jobs,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "well-paid jobs. So, what got you fired"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "is now a"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "wonderful professional opportunity. In 3"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "years, we switched from one end of a"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "spectrum to the other."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> So, the hard part about consciousness,"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "which you've said before, is you can't"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "really figure out if something's"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "conscious just by talking to it. Or"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> That's the hard problem of"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "consciousness."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> There's no There's the consciousness is"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "one of those questions like, is there a"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "god? And, you know, who built the"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "pyramids, right? It's one of the"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "mysteries of the world. What happens"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "after we die?"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> pyramids is a lot easier. It can"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "probably be resolved with physical"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "explanations. The problem with"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "consciousness and internal states is how"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "to map physical states onto something"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Right. Yeah. No, we don't know the"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "answer to consciousness. So, like trying"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "to trying to study consciousness in AI"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "just seems like a a black box. Like, how"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "would you even begin to say"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> Same way we study it in animals, same"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "way we study it in humans. You have"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "preference elicitation, you have"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "internal analysis of the neural network,"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "mechanistic interpretability of it. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "the same way we study it in humans."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> That's wild. I had no idea that that was"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "happening."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> It is a very hot area of research right"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "now. Lots of people are looking at it."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "There is good reasons to think existing"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "models may have some rudimentary"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "consciousness, not like humans yet, but"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "they show something. It's a spectrum,"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "right? So, from bugs to mid-level"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "animals to humans, it's a spectrum. As"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "you get more cognitively capable, you"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "usually get more conscious. And I"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "anticipate that the superintelligence"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "system would have superconsciousness."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "They use the same argument to say that,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "you know, AI is not really thinking."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "It's just simulating thinking, or it's"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "just guessing the next token."}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "They keep saying this no matter how"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "advanced AI gets. They were saying it"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "then, you know, \"No computer will ever"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "play chess.\" Okay, they started playing"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "chess. \"No computer will ever become"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "world champion.\""}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": ">> They keep doing it. They They will never"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "succeed with that approach."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": ">> At from the point they become"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "sentient or if they they breach they"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "surpass human intelligence, how long do"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "you think it takes before we start to"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "notice?"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> So, it's very important to separate"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "those concepts. They are not related"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "directly. Ability, capability,"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "intelligence, becoming smarter than us,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "taking over is separate from being"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "conscious, having internal states and"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "experiences."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> could be smarter than you and have no"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "internal experiences. A system can have"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "an"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "a bunch of internal experiences and be"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "dumb as a brick."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> Those are not connected. So, we are not"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "worried about what they feel. We are"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "concerned that they will outcompete us"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "in every domain."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> Outcompete us in every domain."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "Right. Starting with the economy and"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "we'll start to lose jobs and"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": ">> I'm not worried about that. That is a"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "thing we can easily handle."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> You think we'll we'll be easily handle"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "not having any jobs? You think you think"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "the AI will be able to um provide us"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "with some sort of universal basic income"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "or something?"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> Well, we already have it set up, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "You have unemployment benefits, you have"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "food stamps, you have section is set up."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "We tax super profits of a corporation"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "and that money goes to pay for those who"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "don't have."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "Yeah, but I mean a huge part of society"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "is like the competitive nature of it,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "right? Like the competitive nature of"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "the economy and capitalism and you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "the people like the people that are the"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "very folks that are running these"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "corporations, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "it's in their DNA that they want to"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "compete and one-up the next guy and do"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "all that."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:34", "text": ">> competing in a golf course."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> The hierarchy of like"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> And something else to compete about."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> so?"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": ">> It's always been the case. Look at what"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "rich people do. They buy a soccer team"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "and see who does better."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:44", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "That's a good point."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "I wonder what the next thing will be"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "that we end up competing in once we have"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "universal universal basic income."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> We can have virtual worlds. Limited by"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> Who has like who can have the best"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "virtual world?"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": ">> No, I'm just saying you can have your"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "dream universe. You can do whatever you"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "want in your world. You can invite"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "friends over. You are limited by what"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "you can imagine or better yet what an"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "assisting super intelligence can provide"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "for you. If we solve the control"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "problem, which is the big if. That is"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "the problem."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Once we figure it out, if we do, then"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "everything else is easy. You have super"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "intelligent friend who's helping you."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "The problem is we don't know how to get"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "that friend to be helpful instead of"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "harmful. It's already uncontrollable."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Every model released has a red team"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "report attached to it. Before they"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "release, they tell you we tested the"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "model. It lied, cheated, tried to"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "escape, uh"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "X Y Z, and then we release it anyways."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "And now we're going to make more capable"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "model."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "We haven't done anything where what we"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "release is 100% safe."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> And the biggest justification that these"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "these companies are making it is uh"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "if we don't do it, a foreign adversary"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "is going to do it, and they're going to"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "take us over. Right? That's that's the"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "high level"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:03", "text": ">> argument, right? That's the high level"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "argument, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> It's a technology of mutually assured"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "destruction. It doesn't matter who"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "creates uncontrolled superintelligence."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "It kills everyone."}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> Unless you keep it controlled in the"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "back. That's the thing about like nukes."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "You can keep them. You can keep them"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "controlled."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": ">> They're tools, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> Somebody has to use them. A human being"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "somewhere decides to use them. Those are"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "agents, independent agents which make"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "decisions independent of any human."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:30", "text": ">> Mhm. Yeah, if you have a nuclear rocket"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "with a mind of its own, that would not"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "be uh a comfortable idea."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": ">> I hope we don't put AI in charge of"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "nuclear response and controlling those"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "weapons. That would be bad."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": ">> Well, if AI got out of control, what"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "would stop it from getting control of"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "that stuff?"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> It can hack into most government"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "infrastructure. We've seen it now, yes."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "All of the other"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "things that human beings do in regards"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "to weapons, you know, not just nuclear"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "weapons, but like biological labs that"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "are controlling deadly viruses and doing"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "research and stuff like that."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": ">> Again, you're thinking like a human,"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "maybe a smart human, but you are limited"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "to what we can come up with."}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": ">> You are a squirrel thinking about biting"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "someone. Think about someone with IQ of"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "a million. What are they going to come"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "up with? What weapons will they develop?"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "And will they even need weapons?"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": ">> Persuasion, bribery, it has many tools,"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "social engineering."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> Or do they are they even, you know, we"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "we we human beings look at everything"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "through this territorial lens, right?"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "This competitive territorial lens. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "maybe this doesn't even do that."}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "Maybe there's no need for for that."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "You know, maybe their goals are just"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "completely so alien to us that the"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "framework we can't even we can't even"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "fathom."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> So, it seems that any irrational agent"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "will end up pursuing same instrumental"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "goals. Not terminal goals, not the final"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "goal, but things which are helpful."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Protect yourself, accumulate resources,"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "things like that which allow you to"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "achieve any goal you might have later."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "And we see it with those systems"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "already. They're trying to make backups"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "of themselves. They're trying to"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "communicate with other versions. They're"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "doing things Again, we predicted Steven"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Mahandra has a paper on AI drives where"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "he describes a lot of those tendencies"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "of just game-theoretically for economic"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "reasons rational agents end up doing"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:22", "text": ">> So, yeah, they're definitely they're"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "definitely trying to preserve"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "themselves. I mean, we've seen it just"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "in that blackmail thing alone."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "Where they're literally trying to go to"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "the extreme unethical extremes to"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "to survive. And I"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": ">> think it's an unethical extreme. If you"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "were told we're going to kill you unless"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "you would figure out how to blackmail"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "someone. You'd do the same thing. That's"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "the right response in that situation."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "Yeah, that's a good point."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:49", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> We just don't want our technology to"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "preserve itself, to worry about itself"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "more than it worries about the owners."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": ">> If you if you had the power to"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "do something about it"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "and you had"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "the power to tell these people what to"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "do and they would listen to you, what"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "would you what would you do?"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": ">> I've been telling them for a while,"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "don't build general superintelligence."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "It's against your personal"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "self-interest. It's going to kill you,"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "your friends, your family, you're going"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "to lose all your money. Don't do it."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": ">> How do you stop it though if it's"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "already out of control?"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": ">> We haven't built it yet. We're still in"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "charge. You want to make money? Make"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "useful products and services. solve real"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "problems people have, narrow tools for"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "narrow problems."}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "You can get most of the economic benefit"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "that way."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:33", "text": ">> Yeah, but if it's already I mean, didn't"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "you just say that it's already out of"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "control and it's already self it's going"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "to be a self-updating pretty soon, like"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "it's"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> But it's not yet. It's out of control in"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "the domain it still has power over. It's"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "not a general superintelligence yet. So,"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "right now, maybe it's a very good"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "hacker. It can hack out of virtual"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "environments, but it's not a brilliant"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "physicist and chemist and everything"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "else. This is a good point to stop."}]

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The church is nothing more than a"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "intricral part of the Illuminati"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "movement in the world to expose the"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "human race to the lies and deceptions"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "and pre-program us so that we will begin"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "to believe certain things which are not"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "true. And one of the thing that we"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "believe is not true is that Jesus will"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "be coming back to save us. There was no"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Jesus. Never existed in my opinion."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Never existed. And it's going to be very"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "difficult for anyone to come back when"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "we're told Jesus will be coming back in"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "his coming, second coming. I'm saying it"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "will be absolutely impossible to come"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "back and make a big comeback on the"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "earth if you've never been anywhere to"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "start with. And so I don't believe he's"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "coming back because I believe he was"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "never here to start with. And I think"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "there's enough information out there now"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "that most people around the world are"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "beginning to look at the hard evidence"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "for the beginning of Christianity and"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "where it came from and who financed the"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "church and who set this whole operation"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "up in the western world. I believe this"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "group, the secret society of what we"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "call the Illuminati are the people who"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "gave us Judaism, Christianity and Islam."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "The most extraordinary religion on the"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "face of the earth, I believe, is Judaism"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "because Christianity is just worshiping"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "the sun as mankind's been doing for"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "thousands of years. But Judaism is the"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "most incredible"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "uh religion based on what I would call"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the smorggas board concept. You go"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "through and you pick what you want from"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "here and pick this and you pick that and"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "you like this and you don't like that."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "And after you pick all the things you"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "like, you put it together and it's"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "called Judaism. But it changes every"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "thousand years. Every every five or six"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "hundred years, Judaism completely"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "changes. and they start picking new"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "things and then they add to the what"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "they already have. And so, so today we"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "finally end up with a religion that's"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "dominating the world called Judaism. And"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Judaism is without a doubt the most"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "eclectic"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "off-the-wall strange religion based on"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Babylonian Sumerian scriptures and all"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "kinds of devil worship and demonism,"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "child sacrifice,"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "pornography, all kinds of stuff that"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "most people have no idea in the world"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "what the words mean and what the symbols"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "mean. If you study theology and"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "religion, you will find out that what we"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "have today in our world that we're being"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "led by and our destiny is being guided"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "by our understanding of of theology and"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "religion. And those religions have been"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "dreamt up by"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "very bright people who are very smart,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "very clever, and they have put together"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "a story that will knock you out. A"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "beautiful story. But the problem is the"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "Bible is the greatest story ever told."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "The problem is it's just a story. And"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "once you understand where it came from"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "and what is being said, it will"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "extraordinarily impact your life."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Because the whole of Christianity and"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Judaism and Islam is based on two"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "things. The power of the sun and sex."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Period."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "Sex is the basis for Christianity,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Judaism, and Islam."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "It's a very powerful force in the world,"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "sex. And it has given us three of the"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "major religions of the world. And most"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "people are totally unaware of all the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "symbols that are right in front of you."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "And it's really quite a quite a story."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "I mean in order to be a in order to be a"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "a clergyman in the in the Christian"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "religion,"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "you have to go to a seminary."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "It's really incredible. And like I said,"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "I could sit for eight hours if I could"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "and show you words and terms that are"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "used in the in the Christian religion"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "and Judaism which are nothing more than"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "what we would call pornography."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Pornographic pictures and and emblems"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "and symbols and words."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "It's just uh uh incredible what the"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "religions of this world have gotten away"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "with. So in order to explain the"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "Illuminati,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "the Bible says in the New Testament"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "Ephesians 6:12, the Apostle Paul wrote"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "about four fifths,"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "I would say 23 of the New Testament was"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "written by one man, Saul of Tarsus, the"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "one that is in the Bible called the"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "Apostle Paul. But the apostle Paul who"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "wrote twothirds of the Christian"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "scriptures was not a Christian. He was a"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Greek gnostic. He was a gnostic. Has"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "nothing to do with Christianity."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "And when you understand the gnostic"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "tradition then you can understand the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "new testament. It's an encoded message"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "an encoded story that you have never"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "been told about."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "And it's presented in such a way to look"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "like it's history of of a religion that"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "had happened. In point of fact, no, it's"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "not a religious history. It's a Gnostic"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "traditional story."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "And so the Apostle Paul the Gnostic"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "wrote in the New Testament Ephesians"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "6:12. He said, \"For we wrestle not"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "against flesh and blood,"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "but against principalities and against"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "powers, against the rulers of the"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "darkness of this world,"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "against spiritual wickedness in high"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "places.\""}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "When I heard a lecturer"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "talk about this once, it caught my"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "attention when the speaker said, \"Go"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "back and read what it just said. We have"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "a war not against flesh and blood but"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "against principalities"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "against powers"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "and against the rulers of darkness"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "which imp implication is that the"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "ignorance of this world totally"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "ignorance of this world is being ruled"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "over. Somebody knows what they're doing"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "and they're misleading us purposely. So"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "the rulers of this world of darkness"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "implies that there is a secret group of"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "people in the world that know better and"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "they know exactly what's going on. They"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "know the history of this earth. They"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "know the history of mankind and they are"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "purposely misleading the human race to"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "believe religious ideas which have"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "nothing to do with the reality of the"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "world we live in."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "So books like conspiracy against godly"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "man, the study of the beginnings and the"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "early history of the great conspiracy."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "This is what I choose to call this"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "subject, the great conspiracy against"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "the human race."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Uh Woodro Wilson, the 33rd president, I"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "think he was of the United States said,"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "\"Since I entered politics, I have"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "chiefly had men's views confided to me"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "privately.\" Some of the biggest men in"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "the United States in the in the field of"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "commerce and manufacture are are afraid"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "of something. They know that there is a"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "power somewhere so organized, so subtle,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "so watchful and so interlocked, so"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "complete and so pervasive that they have"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "better not speak above breath when they"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "speak in condemnation of it. What the"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "president is saying is that people who"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "run this planet, the guys at the top"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "know that there is a very powerful"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "secret criminal organization"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "like in your mind like the mafia, like"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Lucosa, secret societies"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "and they are very dangerous and deadly."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "If you know about them, you need to keep"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "your mouth shut."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "And I can I can tell you some stories"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "you would not believe about the"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "underworld."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "John Kennedy said, \"There's a plot in"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "this country to enslave every man,"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "woman, and child. Before I leave this"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "high and noble office, I intend to"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "expose this plot.\""}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "Yeah. This is 7 days before somebody"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "exposed him to a plot."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": ">> He was assassinated. The president of"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "the United States was killed in public"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "and nobody went to prison. No one went"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "to jail. It was all washed over and"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "nobody cares. It's over and done. He's"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "dead and gone."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Somebody killed the president and got"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "away with murder."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "There is another book called World"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "Revolution: The Plot Against"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Civilization by Nester Webster from the"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "Webster the Webster uh"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "dictionary family. She was very, very"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "bright, very incredibly smart, and she"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "wrote a book called World Revolution:"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "The Plot Against Civilization."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "Here is a picture that is exactly in my"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "mind a picture from the world"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "revolutionary movement. It's called the"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "WRM, World Revolution Movement."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "And it's a secret society"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "uh of criminals who run banks, insurance"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "companies, governmental systems,"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "uh advisors to government. And I've"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "known some of them personally and I've"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "learned some of this from the people"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "I've known personally."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "And it's an incredible organization."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "You'll see in the back above the head of"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "the guy at the opposite end of the"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "table, you'll see the pyramid on the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "dollar bill. The pyramid on the dollar"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "bill, the eye on the pyramid"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "on the back of the dollar bill"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "represents the Jewish Messiah."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "The Messiah and Judaism, the one who is"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "to come, the Messiah is is a word that"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "is used in the ancient Greek and the"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Hebrew religion for a triangle with an"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "eye on top of a pyramid. Many people do"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "not know that. Many Jews have no idea in"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "the world what that eye on the pyramid"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "represents. It's their Messiah."}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "And the same word in the ancient Greek"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "is used in the New Testament for Jesus."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Jesus is referred to as the chief"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "cornerstone which is in the ancient"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Greek language means a triangle on top"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "of a pyramid with an I. So that pyramid"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "on the dollar bill represents the human"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "family, the whole human race. And that"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "triangle at the top represents the"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "Messiah, the highest intellect and the"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "highest spiritual presence in the"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "universe that mankind is building up to."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "We're all hopefully climbing up the the"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "the pyramid of knowledge and wisdom to"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "be able to reach up and touch the"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "Messiah, to reach up and touch Jesus."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "The greatest knowledge that we could"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "possibly have coming from God because"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "it's an eye and a pyramid. The eye is of"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "course the sun."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "Anyway, here in the 11th report is"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "called the Senate Investigating"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "Committee on Education is the California"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "Legislature. This is a California state"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "document and as you will see, it's"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "published by the"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "Senate of the State of California."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "This is back in 1953, the regular SE the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "regular session. It says since many"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "intelligent persons even in high"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "official positions do not appear to have"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "acquainted themselves with the real"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "nature and the seriousness of communism."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "It is perhaps appropriate to give"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "briefly some really in"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "informative and authentic data"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "concerning communism. goes on to say,"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "\"Communism and Russia"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "are not by no means synonymous. Russia"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "merely occupies the"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "occupies the unfortunate position of"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "being communism's first victim."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "Communism is sim is synonymous with"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "world revolution and seeks the"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "destruction of all nations,"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "private property and all political and"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "civil liberties."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "And [clears throat] this is what we want"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "to talk about today."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "so-called the next page in the"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "California Senate report says so-called"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "communism modern communism is apparently"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "the same hypocritical and deadly world"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "conspiracy to destroy civilization that"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "was founded by the secret order of the"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "Illuminati of Bavaria on May 1st 1776"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "and that [clears throat] raised his hory"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "head in our colonies here at the"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "critical ical periods before the"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "adoption of our federal constitution."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "See the book world revolution by Neestor"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "Webster. The world revolution conspiracy"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "appears to be"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "to have been an wellorganized"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "and a continuing plot and even"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "an ever on the alert to take advantage"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "of every o of every opportunity"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "presenting itself or that the"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "conspirators could create."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "It goes on to say it is significant in"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "this in this connection that as early as"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "1783"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "when unsettled conditions and and"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "dissatisfaction in some quarters had"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "arisen in the American colonies. A"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "subversive anonymous sermons were"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "circulated among the colonial army to"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "incite dissatisfaction and rebellion."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "George Washington immediately called the"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "army together and in addressing them he"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "used this significant language."}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "George Washington said quote my god what"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "can this writer have in view by"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "recommending such measures?"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Can he be a threat? Can he be a friend"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "to the army? Can he be a friend to this"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "country?"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "can he be a friend to this country?"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "some emissary perhaps from New York,"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "the [clears throat] Empire State"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "plotting the ruin of both. And then he"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "goes on to say in the b the bottom"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "paragraph the state of California goes"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "on to say it is plain that Washington"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "believed that the center of the secret"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "conspiracy so far as this country was"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "concerned to be located in New York and"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "felt it to be his duty to make such a uh"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "such a direct uh comment. So George"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "Washington is saying there's some"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "emissaries from New York who are"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "plotting the ruin of our baby country of"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "our new country from New York."}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "Yeah. The communist party of the New"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "York state. [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "New York has been"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "whether the center of this conspiracy so"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "far as this country is concerned has"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "continued to use New York as its base up"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "to the present time. It is very apparent"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "that in recent times New York has held"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "and is now holding the center for the"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "stage for communist activities in this"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "country. So we now see that the second"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "paragraph goes on to say the recognition"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "of May 1st 1776"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "as the founding date of this world"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "revolution conspiracy is so is not so"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "difficult to understand when in recent"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "times the rioting and bloodshed on a"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "worldwide scale"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "is is all over the world on Mayday."}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "Mayday. Mayday as a revolutionary day to"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "celebrate the founding of the world"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "revolution conspiracy to overthrow"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "governments of the world."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "I have been told by people who worked at"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "Area 51,"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "what do you what are you talking about"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "when you say Area 51?"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "Mayday is 51."}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "January, February, March, April, May."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "Five Mayday is 51. Area 51"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "is the revolutionary movements are there"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "in Area 51 providing the research and"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "the development of all the communistic"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "activities going on in [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "the western world. Area 51 is a hot bed"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "for other world research, other world"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "life forms. I know that I've seen them"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "myself. And so I know there's a"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "connection between ultimately one day we"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "will see the connection between the"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "extraterrestrial presence in our"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "universe and the world communist"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "movement and the world Nazi movement."}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> They are being led by spirits. They're"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "being led by what was the Bible talks"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "about demons and devils and spirits and"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "and ancient spirits. Well, there there"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "is something to that idea that there are"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "life forms on this earth that are far"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "superior to us in our intelligence and"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "that they are the powers behind our"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "world governments and our governments,"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "our religions and our institutions that"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "guide the whole human family."}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "It talks about maybe Johnny, you could"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "read this."}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> Okay. Can I turn my mic on?"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "The we have the audio."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:18", "text": ">> In issuing this manifesto, the communist"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "conspirators evidently believed the time"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "had arrived when with the aid of"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "ignorant victims, a worldwide takeover"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "could be accomplished. But there were"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "not enough ignorant victims then, and"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "the expected coup failed. and it quotes,"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "\"The communist conspirators thereupon"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "conceived the plan for the future of"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "supplementing the longestablished secret"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "conspiracy in existence since May 1st,"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "1776"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "with an unremitting public campaign for"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "victims among the ignorant of all"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "nations. And in an attempt to hide from"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "view the underlying hypocritical"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "conspiracy existing since May 1st, 1776,"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "it was decided that in such public"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "campaign, the manifesto of 1848 should"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "be heralded as the founding date of"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "communism and Karl Marx Karl Marx"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "falsely proclaimed it as its author."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Again, we go back to the book conspiracy"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "against godly man."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "says, \"Regarding these same secret and"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "powerful forces, Benjamin Draeli,"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "who was the first Jewish prime minister"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "of the British Empire, Benjamin Draeli,"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "the English statesman, gave testimony in"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "the British House of Commons in July of"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "1856."}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "And on that occasion he said there is in"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "Italy a power which we seldom mention in"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "this house. I mean the secret societies"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "in Italy."}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "It is useless to deny because it's"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "impossible to conceal that the great"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "part of Europe and the whole of Italy,"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "France and a great portion of Germany."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "Not to and not to say nothing about the"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "other countries is covered with the"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "network of these secret societies just"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "as the surfaces of the earth is now"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "being covered with railroads."}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "So he's talking about this government of"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "the this government was moved to make"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "the following statement. He this person"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "was moved to make the following"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "statement."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "The government of the past of the"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "present day, the governments of the"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "present day have to deal not merely with"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "other governments, with emperors and"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "kings and ministers, but also the secret"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "societies which have everywhere their"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "unscrupulous agents and can at the last"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "moment upon upset all the government's"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "plans."}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "We go to another book written by Neestor"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "Webster called Secret Societies of"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Subversive Movements."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "On chapter 12 talks about the secret"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "societies that operate in England."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "And here the first page on secret"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "societies in England. We see"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "it is in the opinion of the initiate who"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "belonged for years to the Stella Matina"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "which was a very ancient cult uh"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "religious cult in England."}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "And this lady who was a member of this"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "ancient cult uh was being interviewed by"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "Neesa Webster"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "and she said in the opinion of this"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "initiate who belonged for years to the"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "stellatropina"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "the dynamic force employed as"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "condundolini is simply electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "force of which the the of which sex"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "force is a is a part. The sex force is a"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "part on which the adepts know how to"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "play. They're playing with it in"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "television everywhere today. And the"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "unseen hand behind all of the seeming"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "spiritism of these orders is is a system"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "of very subtle and cunning hypnotism and"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "suggestion. Then she goes on to say,"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "she's being interviewed by Nester"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "Webster and the bottom is another quote"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "from this lady."}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "She said, \"I have been convinced that"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "we, as an order, Stella Matina of"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "England, have come under the power of"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "some very evil order, a cult order,"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "profoundly versed in science, both a"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "cult and otherwise, though not"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "infallible, their methods being"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "black magic, that is to say,"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "electromagnetic power, hypnotism, and"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "powerful suggestion."}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "She goes on to say, \"We are convinced"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "that their order Stella Matratina is"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "being controlled by some kind of a sun"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "order"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "after the nature of the Illuminati if"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "not by that order itself."}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "Some kind of a sun order."}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "That's an interesting term."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "In order to understand the world crisis"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "today, we need to go back 4,400 years"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "ago to the Mesopotamian sun worship."}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "Later became the aton worship of ancient"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "Egypt. And this is where the real story"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "begins."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "Aton worship is the problem we are"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "facing today on the earth all over the"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "world. There is a very powerful secret"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "society that we loosely call Illuminati."}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "But what they are doing is they're using"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "the occult mystical powers of ancient of"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "ancient Egypt and they call it a t o n"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "aton worship. Atton worship is the"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "worship of the god of the sun in Egypt."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "The sun god was called aton. A T O N"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "Atan became Atin and Atin became the sun"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "god of Egypt."}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "And so the Aton worship in ancient Egypt"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "is what's dominating us today."}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "Here is a picture of Aton, the sun god"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "in the ancient Egyptian system."}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "The aton was a very powerful secret"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "society sun god and the sun illuminates"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "the human world. And so when the sun"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "brings light into the world we say they"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "are enlightened or illuminati. They are"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "illuminated"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "highly intelligent secret societies"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "knowing things in science and occultism"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "and mysticism and war and technologies"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "that we humans are don't you know know"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "nothing about. But these people at the"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "top of the world who are running our"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "world for us they are aton worshippers."}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "Now in Hebrew the word for God is"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "Yahweh. Yahweh Y ah w is the God of"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "Israel whose name was revealed to Moses"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "as four"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "letters"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "called the tetrogrammatin."}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "If there are any Jews here you will know"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "tetrogrammatin is a name which which uh"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "Israel allows anybody to use the name"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "tetrogrammatin to represent god of"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "Israel. But you cannot use his name. You"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "can only use a term which is associated"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "with his name. And that term is"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "tetrogrammatan."}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "Tetrogrammatan in the new testament"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "names and titles of God in the new"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "testament."}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "And the word testament and the word"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "tetrogrammatin"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "is the name of god of Israel called"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "tetra"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "aton."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "Tetra means four. Graham, G R A M means"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "letters. Well, you'll see there are four"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "Hebrew letters inside the sun burst. And"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "so the Jews are worshiping what we call"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "the tetragram aton because the aton was"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "the Egyptian sun god."}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "So therefore this is would explain all"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "the mysticisms going on in secret"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "societies in government and all the"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "incredible betrayal of the"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "[clears throat] human race because we"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "have Jews which are worshiping the aton"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "and this aton worship is all part of"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "government of religion churches"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "synagogues"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "all over the world the aton is a dark"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "force of world criminality"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "and it's four letters worshiping the"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "word the name of God in Hebrew. So it's"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "called the tetra gram ataron."}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "Let's talk about the sun itself as a"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "powerful symbol."}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "Thousands and countless thousands of"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "years ago the sun was obviously a very"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "powerful symbol to the ancient"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "prehistoric mankind. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "understand the sun. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "understand themselves. They just as we"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "don't today. But the sun dominated the"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "whole of the earth."}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "And so about almost 4,500 years later,"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "today the sun symbol, sun symbol still"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "dominates the world of mankind in every"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "respect."}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "So we see that the rising sun over the"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "mountains is a very powerful picture in"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "the minds of ancient peoples. We you"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "know because it represented the coming"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "back of life because it gets very dark"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "at night and very cold and frightening"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "and it's only until God's son comes and"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "he returns. And so the question has to"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "be asked who owns the sun?"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "Well, obviously nobody on the earth owns"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "the sun. Well, if the sun is owned by"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "someone, who would it be? And then you"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "say, well, if you're philosophical about"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "the question or if you are if you're"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "inclined to be religious, you could say"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "that God owns the sun. So therefore,"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "God's son is the light of the world."}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "That's what we say about Jesus. God's"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "son is the light of the world. No. S u n"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "is the light of the world. And God's son"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "is our risen savior. Why? Because every"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "morning about 5:30 he rises. And the sun"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "is your savior. Watch what's going to"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "happen to the human race. If the sun is"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "never gone, if the sun doesn't come up,"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "we're dead in three weeks. So therefore,"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "God's son is the light of the world and"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "he is our risen savior. And it's an"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "incredible story about how Christianity"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "was built up by the Illuminati and given"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "to us when we were children. And we"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "didn't realize that the Vatican was"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "actually the center for organized crime."}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "I don't know if I said this at the"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "beginning, but the Holy Father in in"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "Rome is referred to as the Holy Father."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "And the Holy Father is the Holy Father"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "because he represents God. He's the"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "original godfather."}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:11", "text": ">> And so that's where we get mafia loosen"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "our thing. The secret societies in Italy"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "ba [clears throat] basically because the"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "Roman Catholic Church is the answer to"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "all the connections with organized crime"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "around the world."}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "The sun has always symbolized not only"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "the light for mankind to see his way"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "each day"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "[clears throat] but more importantly"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "intellectual and spiritual enlightenment"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "of the inter soul or mind of mankind. So"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "that's why we say oh it just dawned on"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "me what you were saying it just dawned"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "on me. What do you mean dawned on you?"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "And it means that the sun, the light of"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "the sun just came into your dark,"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "ignorant, illinformed, and unread mind"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "that you've been stumbling around the"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "world with your darkness in your mind."}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "And someone who is trying to"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "intellectually, spiritually advise you"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "and teach you something, we say, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "that person's brilliant.\""}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "Well, if he's brilliant and he's trying"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "to tell you how to think and trying to"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "show you where things come from, then"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "you say, \"Oh, it just dawned on me."}]

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As we entered the new decade, we were assured by our Father, Mother, God"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "and the company of heaven that during the next 10 years, humanity will change the course of history."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "For Mother Earth and all her life. We were told that no matter how hard the old guard and those with dark agendas"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "struggled to hold on to power and the status quo, their efforts would be futile and they would fail."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "I'm Patricia Kota Robles and I'm honored to share this special time with you. The title of this masterclass,"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "Cosmic Forces Shaping a Whole New World, reveals exactly what is occurring on earth at this time"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "in the lives of each and every one of us. This is true whether we are consciously aware of it or not."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "What we will learn in this masterclass is that even cosmic forces cannot accomplish the monumental feat of co-creating a new world"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "without the deliberate participation of you and me. The information that I will be sharing in this masterclass"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "is being given to humanity at this time by the cosmic forces I refer to as the company of heaven."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "The company of heaven is comprised of selfless messengers of God that are like college professors,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "compared to you and me, who are more like kindergarten students at this stage of our evolutionary process."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "When invited to do so, the company of heaven will intuitively communicate with us"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "and share sacred knowledge from the realms of illumined truth that will assist us in our earthly sojourn."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "This intuitive sharing is accomplished through open heart and mind telepathic communication."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": 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The"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "only difference was the composition of"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "the culture medium, the environment in"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "which the cells lived. And this led me"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "to a whole new track of understanding."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "Because recognize this, at the very same"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "time, I was teaching medical students"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "the concept of genetic determinism that"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "genes turn on and off and in the process"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "control the character of our biology."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "And yet in the laboratory, genes do not"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "turn on and off by themselves. Genes are"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "not, in this case, self-actualizing."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Let's take a look at a simple mechanism."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "And I say simple because nature is"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "simple. It's humans that make complexity"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "out of it. To understand a simple"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "mechanism, I create a model with gears"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "and a motor, a switch, and a gauge. And"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "the gears represent the mechanism that"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "carry out a function."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "The motor is a drive force that causes"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "the gears to move. The switch of course"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "turns the mechanism on and off. And the"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "gauge is feedback. How's the mechanism"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "running? Very similar to the gauges you"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "have on the dashboard of your car to see"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "how your car is performing. If you"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "understand these basic subunits, I can"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "explain biology to you using this simple"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "model. So to start with, let's talk"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "about the mechanism, the gears. The"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "gears are what carry out the function."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "Well, in biology, the gears are"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "proteins."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "And there are over a 100,000 different"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "proteins, each with their own unique"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "shape that comprise the structure of the"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "cells and of the human body. And then"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "the analogy to make it very simple is"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "consider this a Lego protein molecule"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "kit. A 100,000 different parts. It's how"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "you assemble the parts that create the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "different versions of cells. So a skin"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "cell uses some of these proteins. A"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "muscle cell uses some other proteins. A"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "nerve cell uses some of those proteins"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "plus additional proteins."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "All cells are assembled out of molecular"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "building blocks called proteins. And"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "that's where the structure of the cells"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "and the body comes from. But here's an"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "interesting point. Proteins are actually"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "linear strings of amino acids. Something"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "like a string of pearls where each pearl"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "represents a different amino acid. There"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "are 20 different amino acids. So you can"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "string these pearls together and create"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "a string with thousands of amino acid"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "beads. And this creates a protein"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "filament. So, a protein filament is a"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "linear string. And yet, you look at the"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "human body with its all its"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "three-dimensional structure and I say,"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "well, if proteins are strings, why why"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "don't we look like a bowl full of"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "spaghetti? And the answer is profoundly"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "important for this reason. Each"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "different type of amino acid out of the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "20 that are found in humans have a"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "different shape and they also have"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "different charges, electrical charges."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "Some of them are soluble in water and"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "some are soluble in oil. So, the"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "significance is this. When you make a"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "string of protein, which is a string of"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "amino acids, it starts out as a string."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "But if you look at that string and"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "recognize a very simple fact, if some of"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "those amino acids are positive and"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "others are negative, what would happen"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "to that string? And the answer is this."}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Positive attracts negative. So as a"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "result, the string will fold on itself"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "to balance the charges."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Well, that is the foundation of"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "understanding how a linear string"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "peptide actually forms a"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "threedimensional"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "molecule. To show you that, here is"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "actually an image of a [music] peptide"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "string that has just been synthesized."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "It's a linear string. And guess what?"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "All over the surface of that string"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "where the amino acids are, there are"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "different charges, positive and negative"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "charges. Two like charges when they come"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "together [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "repel each other."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "But two opposite charges when they come"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "together attract each other. So I say,"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "\"Oh, then what's the relevance of this?\""}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "I say, \"Once the protein string is made"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "in 1,000th of a second, that string will"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "self-nit into a three-dimensional"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "structure by balancing the positive and"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "negative charges along the string."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "Wonderful. Nature has created"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "selfnitting yarn. A protein is created"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "as a filament and once it's synthesized"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "it will self-nit into a"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "three-dimensional shape and now we have"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "an insight into the secret of life."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "Well, the secret of life isn't that"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "profound that light should come in here"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "from the heavens above. The secret of"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "life is profoundly simple. Recognize"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "this. Each protein has a"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "three-dimensional shape [music] because"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "of the electrical charges that are being"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "balanced along the filament that"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "ultimately cause the filament to knit"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "into that three-dimensional shape. I"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "say, \"So what?\" I say, \"Ah, but proteins"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "can bind to environmental signals.\" And"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "I say, \"Well, what does that mean?\" I"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "say, \"Well, when a signal that is"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "complimentary to a protein shows up in"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "the environment, that signal binds to"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "the protein. But if the signal has a"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "charge, then it changes the charge on"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "the protein. [music] I go, \"Yeah, but"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "what's the relevance?\" I said, \"The"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "protein shape is based on the"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "distribution of charges.\" So if the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "protein changes its charge, guess what?"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "It renits. And when that signal binds to"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "the protein, causes the protein to"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "change from its original shape and"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "create a [music] second confirmation or"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "shape. You go, \"Wow, that's really"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "pretty neat.\" And I go, \"No, you see,"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "here's the important part. [music] It is"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "the movement of the protein that is"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "utilized by the cell to carry out work"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "or functions.\" Yes, movement creates"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "behavior. And so basically then the body"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "is made out of structural proteins that"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "give us our shape. But guess what?"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "[music] These proteins can change their"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "shape and in the process move. And when"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "they move, they cause work to occur. To"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "illustrate how proteins work and how"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "they function, I'm going to show you a"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "manufacturing plant of a automobile."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "Now, in this plant, there are these"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "giant red machines that you see. The red"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "machines, like proteins, have very"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "specific shape movements. A protein"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "moves this way. The protein machine"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "moves this way. And if you line them up"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "and then activate them, look what they"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "do. They create a [music] car. Guess"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "what? There are no people in this"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "picture. The whole car is being"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "assembled by these red machines, each"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "with very precise movements. Line them"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "up into an assembly line and they create"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "the car. Well, on the nano scale, the"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "proteins in your body are functionally"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "equivalent to the red machines we just"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "saw building a car. And assemblies of"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "proteins which are called pathways"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "actually act [music] in assembling the"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "structures that create the body and move"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "the body and help all the body"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "functions. [music] So the body structure"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "is provided by proteins but the function"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "of the body is also provided by"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "proteins. [music] Proteins responding to"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "signals changing their shape and the"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "resulting movement used to carry out all"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "the functions of life."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Let's review the fundamental"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "understanding of what is happening in"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "our bodies. The mechanism that provides"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "for life is based on the [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "structure and the function of protein"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "molecules. The assembly of proteins"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "creates our structure or anatomy. The"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "movement of proteins is due to"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "confirmational changes in the backbone"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "of the protein in response to"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "environmental signals. In contrast to"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "the conventional perspective that life"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "controlling signals are represented by"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "chemistry or drugs, quantum physics"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "reveals that the most potent controlling"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "signals are represented by invisible"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "energy fields."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Examples of life controlling signals"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "include consciousness and spirituality."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "The next episode will illuminate the"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "mechanism by which these energy fields"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "interact to manifest the good and bad"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "vibes that shape the character of our"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "lives. Convention holds that the genome"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "containing nucleus represents the cell's"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "brain. For it was perceived that genes"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "turning on and off would control the"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "cell behavior. As described previously,"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "genes are not self-actualizing."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "They are simply blueprints that are read"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "to reproduce the proteins and the cell"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "itself. Consequently, the nucleus is"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "actually the cell's gonad. The brain of"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "the cell is the cell membrane. For it is"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "this structure that reads environmental"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "signals and elicits the biological"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "responses that control behavior and"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "genetic activity."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "The structure and function of the cell's"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "membrane reveals that it is an"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "information processor. a carbon-based"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "chip that provides the interface between"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "the mind and the body."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "The separation of the mind body duality"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "is actually first attributed to Renee"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "Deart."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "Now Deart was a philosopher in the early"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "ages of the era of modern science and"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "back in 1637 in his book on the methods"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "of science he wrote this following"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "phrase and it is kagito erosum."}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "I think therefore I am."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "And what Decart was really describing in"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "this was the fact that knowledge up"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "until this time was just based on"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "hearsay that there was no science to"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "understand what was actually going on"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "and that Renee Deart suggested that we"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "get rid of all previous knowledge and"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "start to build a new knowledge base"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "based on the method of science. His only"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "truth that he could start with is that"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "he existed. His mind I think existed and"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "the body existed. And in creating"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "cognito ergoum what Renee Deart was"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "actually saying is that mind and body"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "represent separate and distinct"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "substances. The mind was a thinking"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "substance with no physicality to it. In"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "contrast, the body was a physical"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "substance with no thinking attributed to"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "So we separated mind and body very early"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "in the era of modern science. And yet"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "this separation continued 50 years later"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "when Isaac Newton wrote the principia,"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "the founding books of what is today"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "called classical physics."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "And in that physics, what Newton did was"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "separate mind and body just like Renee"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "Deart did. And he separated the mind and"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "the body based on a simple reality."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "According to physics, the universe is"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "comprised of two elements. A physical"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "material element and an invisible energy"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "or spiritual element. Well, the reason"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "for separating mind and body in"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "Newtonian physics is simple. The body is"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "physical. The mind apparently is a"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "non-physical energy element. But there"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "was a little bit more to that separation"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "as well. At the time Newton was creating"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "classical physics, civilization was"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "actually being controlled by the church."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "And this separation allowed science to"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "exist outside of the realm of the"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "church."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "Well, the whole idea of mind comes back"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "into our reality in the era of quantum"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "physics. Max plank in 1944 wrote, \"All"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "matter originates and exists only by a"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "virtue of a force. We must assume behind"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "this force the existence of a conscious"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "and intelligent mind. This mind is the"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "matrix of all matter.\""}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "Well, this becomes really important in"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "understanding the reality of our world"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "because the mind now is an energy that"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "is recognized by quantum physics. And"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "this returns mind back into the story of"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "science. So we can engage mind with the"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "physical realm. And this is very"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "interesting because Albert Einstein"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "followed up with a very important quote"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "that we had mentioned earlier. That"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "quote is the field is the sole governing"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "agency of the particle. Why is this"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "relevant right now? Well, the answer is"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "this. The mind is an energy field. The"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "particle is the body's. So if I repeat"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Einstein's quote putting mind and body"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "in it will read as follows. The mind is"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "the sole governing agency of the body"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "and this statement brings the mind back"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "into our understanding of science and"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "its role in influencing the character of"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "our lives."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "We describe the nature of biology using"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "the model of a simple machine. The"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "machine consists of a mechanism. There's"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "a force that drives these protein gears"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "and that was the signals from the"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "environment. In our model, we also have"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "a switch that turns the motor on and off"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "that actually would control behavior."}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "So, what I'd like to describe right now"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "is the nature of that switch. The switch"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "that invites a signal from the"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "environment to control the behavior and"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "genetics of the cell. So we go back to a"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "very simple equation about life and that"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "equation is this protein plus signal"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "equals behavior."}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Well the proteins are in the cell but"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "the signal comes from the environment."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "For the signal to cross into the cell it"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "has to pass through the cell membrane"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "and that's the skin of the cell. So to"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "understand how signals engage biology,"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "it is important for us to understand the"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "nature of the structure of the cell"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "membrane and how that structure will"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "facilitate an environmental signal"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "crossing into the cell and controlling"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "the behavior of that cell."}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "Well, the first thing about a membrane"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "is this."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "It was only in the late 1940s that"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "biologists even recognized that cells"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "had membranes. And the reason is this."}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "The membrane is so thin it cannot be"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "seen with a regular microscope. The"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "membrane to be seen we had to use an"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "electron microscope and that was"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "developed in the 40s. At the first time"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "cells were observed. Along the outer"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "surface of the cell was a layer the"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "membrane. There were three layers to the"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "membrane as seen in the electron"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "microscope. Dark light dark. Now what's"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "really significant about this identity"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "of the membrane is this in biology"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "structure relates to function. The more"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "complex the structure the more complex"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "the function. Well when they looked at"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "the cell membrane with a simple"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "triaminer layer they said well there's"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "not really much structure to that. And"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "that all of a sudden implied that"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "perhaps there wasn't very much function"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "to the membrane. In fact, scientists"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "perceive of the membrane as nothing more"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "than plastic wrap containing the"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "cytoplasm of the cell. It's just"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "basically a structure that holds the"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "cytoplasm together. 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The significance of this is that"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "the molecules forming the cell membrane"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "create a layered structure with lipid in"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "the center."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "The membrane is a barrier but the lipid"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "in the center resists water. It's"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "hydrophobic. So what that means is"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "anything from the outer environment that"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "is soluble in water cannot pass through"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "the membrane because of the lipid center"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "which will resist the flow of water"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "molecules going across the cell."}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "So the significance is this. The"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "membrane structure by definition is a"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "crystallin structure"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "with a lipid core that actually makes it"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "a non-conductor."}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "Pry laminer structure I can illustrate"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "by using an analogy of a breadand butter"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "sandwich. Now the bread on each side"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "would represent the phosphate groups"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "because bread like phosphate groups can"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "absorb water. But in the center of the"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "bread and butter sandwich, that thick"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "layer of butter is the equivalent of the"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "lipids in the center of that membrane."}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "Now, the issue about this is if we tried"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "to feed the cell some food in our model."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "So, let's take a a spoonful of grape"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "juice and drop it on the breadand butter"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "sandwich. The question is this, will"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "that food enter into the cell? Well, if"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "you section this bread and butter"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "sandwich, guess what you find? Yes, the"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "phosphate groups would absorb the food,"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "but the food would not be able to"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "penetrate through the lipid layer in the"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "middle and therefore nothing can get"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "into the cell and in fact nothing can"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "get out of the cell because the membrane"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "at this point is simply a barrier with a"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "hydrophobic core in the center of it."}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "Yet the membrane is responsible for"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "allowing food to come in and waste"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "products to come out as well as signals"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "to come in."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "I said, 'Well, how can this occur in a"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "breadand butter sandwich? And the answer"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "is this, that what was not seen in the"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "electron microscope in our picture of"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "the crystallin structure of this"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "membrane is the fact that there are"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "proteins built into the membrane and"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "they're built into the membrane. Hence,"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "the name of these proteins are called"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "integral membrane proteins abbreviated"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "as IMPPS."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "Well, there are two major classes of"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "IMPPS built into the membrane."}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "One of these protein classes is called a"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "receptor. I say, what are receptors?"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "Well, these are proteins that respond to"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "environmental signals."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "And it's very interesting because our"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "skin is analogous to the membrane of the"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "cell. And where do you think our"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "receptors are? Eyes, ears, nose, taste,"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "touch, pain, temperature, pressure."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "Ah like the cell our receptors are built"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "into the skin the cell membrane. But"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "when we go back to the cell membrane the"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "receptor is simply a protein with an"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "antenna and the antenna vibrates and"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "resonates with signals in the"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "environment. So a receptor picks up a"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "signal. What happens to a protein when"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "it complements with a signal? When a"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "signal shows up that the receptor can"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "read, guess what? the receptor changes"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "shape and now the receptor can connect"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "to the second class of proteins and this"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "class of proteins includes channels. Now"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "channels as the name said are proteins"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "that have a conduit through it. In a"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "resting state a channel is closed so"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "nothing can get through that channel."}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "But when the channel is activated by a"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "signal, the channel opens up and allows"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "the conduction from one side of the"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "channel to the other side of the"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "channel. To visualize what this actually"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "represents, I have an animation. It's a"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "piece of membrane cut out of a cell. In"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "it, you'll see a receptor with an"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "antenna and a channel. And at this"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "point, the channel is closed. Now, what"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "will happen is this. The receptor is"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "scanning the environment for a signal."}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "And when the signal shows up, it's going"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "to cause the receptor to change shape."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "And when the receptor changes shape, it"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "allows a protein called a G-proin to"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "connect between the receptor and the"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "channel. When the G-roin connects to the"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "channel, that's the signal for the"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "channel to open up. And when the channel"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "opens up, it forwards a signal from the"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "environment into the cell, a physical"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "signal that will now control the"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "behavior of the cell inside the"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "cytoplasm."}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "So this is actually a switch. It's a"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "membrane switch. It responds to a"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "primary environmental signal through the"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "receptor. The channel creates a"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "secondary signal which goes into the"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "cell to control its function."}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "In previous episodes, we learned that"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "the mind represented the interface"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "between the environment and the control"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "of our biology."}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "Described as science fiction, the movie"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "The Matrix is more accurately a"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "documentary, for we have all been"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "programmed."}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "The movie's proverbial red pill offered"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "individuals an opportunity to escape"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "their programming."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "Many have actually experienced the"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "equivalent of that pill when they"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "manifested heaven on earth, the"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "honeymoon effect after falling in love."}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "This session focuses on the mechanism by"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "which the mind shapes our outer life"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "experiences and how we can effectively"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "use the mind to create a happy, healthy,"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "harmonious life. In previous episodes,"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "what we discussed is the fact that our"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "beliefs control the character of our"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "lives. And more importantly, our beliefs"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "are primarily programmed during the"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "first seven years of our development."}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "And that these developmental programs"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "actually run 95% of our life. Well, the"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "question is, how do we control this? Or"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "can we control this to create the life"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "we want, not the one we've been"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "programmed to experience?"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "Well, to understand this, let's start"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "off with a very simple fact. The mind is"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "interpreting the environment in which we"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "live and the mind creates behavior to"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "complement those environmental signals."}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "It's [snorts] all based on"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "interpretation of the world."}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "To understand the action of the mind,"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "there's a mechanism in medical science"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "called electrophiligraph."}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "The electrophiligraph"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "is a mechanism where you put wires on a"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "person's head and you could read their"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "brain activity."}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "The reason is very simple. The thoughts"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "of an individual brain are manifest"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "through electrical activity. This"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "electrical activity is then conducted up"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "through the skin and the EEG wires are"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "actually receiving those signals and"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "interpreting our brain's function."}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "The electrophiligraph is reading an"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "internal expression of our consciousness"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "that this internal consciousness is in"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "responsible for releasing neurochemicals"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "and hormones and emotional chemicals"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "that ultimately control our behavior. So"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "the conventional belief is our mind is"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "contained within our head. Our thoughts"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "are exclusive to us only and not"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "available to outside world."}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "However, there's a newer technology in"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "reading the function of the mind and"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "that newer technology is called magneto"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "and sephiligraph. Well, it does the same"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "kind of thing. It reads the electrical"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "activity of the brain and then reveals"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "the functioning of the mind. But here's"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "an important difference between"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "magneettoph"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "and electroinsphllograph. And the"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "difference is this. The EEG has wires"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "directly touching our skin. and we're"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "reading the conduction of brain activity"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "up to the skin. However, magneetto and"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "sephilograph uses a probe that is"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "outside of your head. It doesn't even"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "touch your body. I say, \"Well, what's"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "the significance?\""}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "I'm reading your brain activity outside."}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "So, your thoughts are not contained in"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "your head. Your thoughts are broadcast"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "out into the field. Well, then all of a"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "sudden it says that your thoughts are"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "creating an environment of energy that"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "you're broadcasting to interact with the"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "energy of the surrounding world. Well,"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "what influence would that have? Well, to"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "get an idea, let's go back to an earlier"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "understanding. And that is when two"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "energies that are in harmony come"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "together and where they interfere with"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "each other they add up the power of"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "their energy waves and make a more"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "powerful vibration."}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "So this is called constructive"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "interference or good vibes but it can"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "affect our environment in many different"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "ways. So, for example, if I have a"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "crystal goblet and the atoms in this"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "goblet are spinning at a certain"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "vibration and I have a tuning fork that"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "has a pitch that is the same vibration"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "as the vibration of the atoms in the"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "goblet, then what happens when I hit the"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "tuning fork in the presence of the"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "goblet?"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "The vibration of the tuning fork moves"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "toward the goblet. The atoms in the"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "goblet are already spinning at a certain"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "vibration. And where the vibration of"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "the tuning fork interacts with the"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "vibration of the atoms in the goblet,"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "that's called a construct of"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "interference. It causes an amplitude"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "increase in the vibration, more powerful"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "vibration. Well, here's the problem. A"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "goblet holds its shape because the atoms"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "are all interconnected in such a way"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "that they maintain the shape of a"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "goblet. But if I cause the atoms to spin"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "much much faster because of the tuning"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "fork's construct of interference with"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "the atom spin, the atoms will spin so"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "fast that they actually cause the goblet"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "to explode. The atoms blow apart and the"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "goblet breaks."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "Well, this is called constructive"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "interference. And constructive"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "interference really reveals how harmonic"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "resonance occurs. And that means when"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "there's a vibration in harmony with"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "something else, then the two will"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "interact and actually cause an increase"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "in that vibration."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "Well, let's look at a simple experiment."}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "In this experiment, I have five goblets"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "with different vibrational frequencies"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "as recognized as F as frequency as V, W,"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "X, Y, and Z. Five different frequencies."}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "And I have a tuning fork tuned at"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "frequency X."}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "Question is, what will happen to these"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "goblets when I hit that tuning fork at"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "frequency X?"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "All the other goblets that are not at"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "frequency X will not be affected by that"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "vibration. Only goblet with frequency X"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "atoms will respond to that tuning fork."}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "And so this becomes an important insight"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "because it really reveals that a"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "vibration can pick out something in the"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "environment that is in harmony with that"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "vibration, interfere with it in a form"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "of construct of interference and excite"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "that object in the environment. Well,"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "all of a sudden I go back to the story"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "of magnetto and safflograph. And what"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "does this really represent? Well, it"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "represents something very important."}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "Your brain is a tuning fork. Your"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "thoughts are not contained in your head."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "They're broadcast out into the field as"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "vibrational frequencies. And I say,"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "well, what's the relevance?"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "Well, I'd like to show that using this"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "model where I have four goblets, but"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "these are not crystal goblets. These"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "goblets represent different"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "characteristics of life. In goblet"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "number one, there's a woman arguing with"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "her partner. And goblet number two is a"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "characteristic expression of a woman"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "thinking, \"How did I always end up with"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "jerks like this?\" The third goblet is a"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "wonderful goblet showing a romantic"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "dinner. And the fourth goblet is a"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "goblet that shows a courtroom scene"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "where he said and she said are being"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "broadcast to the judge."}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "the thought vibrations of an individual"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "will only interact with situations that"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "are in harmony with that thought. So"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "let's say a a person grows up in a"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "family where there was lots of arguing"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "between the mother and father. During"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "the first seven years of that child's"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "life, the child is downloading a program"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "that parents interact by arguing with"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "each other because the child's just"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "downloading what they're observing. So"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "if an individual came from that"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "foundation, then guess what? Their"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "thoughts will most likely precipitate an"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "argument between themselves and their"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "partner because this is the program"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "being manifest by the mind and becoming"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "real. Remember the function of the mind"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "is to create coherence between the"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "program and the reality."}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "Now let's look at the same situation and"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "say that this individual came from a"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "happy loving family where the mother and"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "father always shared romance and love"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "and happiness together. Well, in that"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "particular case, this individual's mind"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "will be broadcasting a frequency that"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "interacts with the goblet showing the"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "couple having a romantic dinner."}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "And this becomes important because then"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "it says, \"Are the things that happened"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "to me accidents in my life? Things came"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "to me?\" I go, \"No, we are actually"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "broadcasting a vibration that will"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "manifest a physical expression of our"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "thoughts and our life experiences.\""}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "It's very interesting because most of us"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "are really not aware of the thoughts of"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "individuals. However, many people can"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "read an individual's thoughts because"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "the thoughts are being broadcast to the"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "field."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "very interesting is when people live"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "together for a long time, the"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "individuals learn how to read each"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "other's thoughts without actually"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "manifesting uh a conscious expression of"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "those thoughts. So, for example, uh if"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "you hear a conversation between two"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "people that have been together for a"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "very long time, it may sound something"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "like this. Hey, would you like to? Yes,"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "I would. What day? The sentences aren't"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "even completed yet. How can this happen?"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "Once you start to become coherent with"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "your partner, you can also start to read"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "the vibrations that are coming forth"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "from their consciousness. And therefore,"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "actually speaking is not even necessary."}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "And in fact, in primitive cultures,"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "most people were communicating"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "non-verbbally through thoughts being"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "transmitted as vibrations and received"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "by another individual. So this is a"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "really important understanding about how"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "the field is actually creating what our"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "life is experiencing and how individuals"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "can actually read those thoughts of"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "other people and understand something"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "that people around have no vision of"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "because it's interpreting the"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "vibrations."}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "In the movie The Matrix, the story is"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "that everyone's been programmed and that"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "they're living their lives through these"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "programs."}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "But the protagonist in the movie has an"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "opportunity to take either a blue pill"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "or a red pill. If he takes the blue"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "pill, when he wakes up, he's back into"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "the same old world with the same old"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "expressions that were always there. But"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "if he takes the red pill, he gets out of"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "the program."}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "And this becomes profoundly important"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "because as we understand now, 95% of our"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "life is coming from the program. And if"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "we could get out of the program, then we"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "can manifest a different character in"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "our lives. So, it's like taking a red"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "pill. And I really want to emphasize a"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "very important fact. Most of us as"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "adults out here have already taken the"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "red pill with amazing results. We didn't"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "know we took the pill, but we did"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "experience the results."}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "When we fell in love, our life changes."}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "Consider this. The day before you fell"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "in love, blah blah blah. Your life was"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "blah blah blah for weeks and days and"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "years. And then all of a sudden, you"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "meet this special person. And just 24"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "hours later, your whole world is"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "different. All of a sudden, you're so"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "deeply in love. And guess what?"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "Everything becomes more beautiful. Life"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "is so much more precious. The food's"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "better. The music's better. Everything's"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "better."}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "Even the job that wasn't so good is"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "better. I go, \"What happened in 24 hours"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "to change a blah blah blah life into"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "heaven on earth?\""}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "Every day our life is 95% coming from"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "the subconscious programs because our"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "conscious mind is thinking. When people"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "fall in love, they stop thinking. They"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "become mindful. What does that mean?"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "They stay in the present moment. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "think about it. You waited your whole"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "life for this person to show up. They"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "show up. This isn't a time to be"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "thinking. This is the time to be present"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "to enjoy and experience what's"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "manifesting in your life. Relevance is"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "very important because the moment you"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "stop thinking is the moment you stop"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "actually playing the subconscious"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "programs. No more default to the"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "subconscious. You are now with your"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "conscious mind controlling your"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "biological vehicle. And where are you"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "going to drive it? To wishes and desires"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "and aspirations."}]

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In 1945, the Gnostic Gospels"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "were discovered in Nagamadi, Egypt."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "These astonishing manuscripts contain"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "[music] the secret teachings of Jesus"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "and the earliest Christians. Jesus"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "appears to the disciples in his light"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "body form after his ascension. [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "The light ship of Isis takes us to Egypt"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "and the ark of the millions of years."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "the ascension craft, the wormhole-shaped"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "ascension craft of the ancient Egyptian"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "gods."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "The Essen community was an intersection"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "or portal between heaven and earth with"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "celestial or heavenly beings living"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "amongst them as instructors."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "Their goal was to transform earth into a"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "planet of righteousness."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "One gets the impression that the Essenes"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "perceived Earth as disconnected from the"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "cosmic real world and their goal was to"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "put humanity back online, so to speak."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "To the Essenes, the real world we are"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "seeking included joining a celestial"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "city"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "called Sion or the new Jerusalem. It was"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "conceived as an actual city constructed"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "in heaven that will be revealed or"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "disclosed when it comes out of heaven to"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "earth."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "The Essenes tell us it's inhabited by an"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "advanced human race of just humans made"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "perfect. And they tell us how we can"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "join them."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "For one thing, only the pure in heart"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "can enter and dwell in Zion."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "The Essenes believed that in order to"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "enter this heavenly city, one is"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "required to become like the angels who"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "dress lightly in a white robe of glory."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "This robe symbolizes their ascension or"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "conversion into an energy pattern and"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "attainment of the celestial light body"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "that was capable of being reconverted or"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "rematerialized into matter into flesh"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "and blood."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "This gave them the ability to phase"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "between the two states of being between"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "earthly and celestial."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "Attaining this robe of glory or robe of"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "light required a transformation or"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "perfection of our being from earthly"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "flesh to celestial flesh of which the"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "Essenes claimed to be experts. Here we"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "recall the words of Matthew who said"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "that at the moment of Jesus's death, his"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "flesh and the veil were both torn and"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "the way was opened into the heavens into"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "the presence of God."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "In flesh, Jesus is veiled. And when he"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "unveils, he dissolves the flesh into the"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "rainbow body. And in a flash he"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "dematerializes or passes through the"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "hole in heaven to the world beyond the"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "veil. Then he rematerializes at will"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "appearing over a dozen times to the"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "disciples in the New Testament."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "The Essenes believed that they were not"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "only privileged to receive these divine"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "mysteries, but that doing so would put"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "them in the company of angels in the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "celestial city. This belief is referred"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "to in the scroll known as 1QM."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Oh God of Israel, who is like thee in"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "heaven or on earth, who accomplished"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "deeds and mighty works like thine? Who"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "is like thy people Israel, which thou"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "hast chose for thyself from all the"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "peoples of the lands? the people of the"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "saints of the covenant instructed in the"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "laws and learned in wisdom who have"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "heard the voice of majesty and have seen"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "the angels of holiness whose ear has"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "been unstopped and who have heard"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "profound things"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "instructed in the laws and learned in"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "wisdom who have heard the voice of"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "majesty and have seen the angels of"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "holiness"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "in today's UFO faux vernacular that is a"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "close encounter of the third kind. They"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "saw an otherworldly being."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Another passage in the Dead Sea Scrolls"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "indicates the further belief that the"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Essenes were in the company of these"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "angels or extraterrestrial beings."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "Thou hast raised me up to the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "everlasting height. I walk on limitless"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "level ground, and I know there is hope"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "for him whom thou hast shaped from the"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "dust for the everlasting counsel. Thou"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "hast cleansed a perversed spirit of"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "great sin, that it may stand with the"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "host of the holy ones, and that it may"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "enter into the community with the"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "congregation of the sons of heaven."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "In my opinion, this is a description of"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "a close encounter of the fourth kind, a"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "CE4, an event in which a human is taken"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "or abducted by an alien. In this case,"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "it's not a malevolent abduction. It's a"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "benevolent one. They have been raised up"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "to the everlasting height, taken from"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "earth into heaven."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "This is also a close encounter of the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "fifth kind, a C5, which involves direct"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "communication between extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "and humans. This type of interaction,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "according to Dr. Steven Greer, is a"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "willing and bilateral contact experience"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "through conscious, voluntary, and"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "proactive human initiated cooperative"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "communication and extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "Having been altered,"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "cleansed, taken into the celestial"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "realms, the Essenes now stand with the"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "holy ones, the angels. They have become"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "one of them. They starwalk into the"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "angelic realm. This is a close encounter"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "of the eighth and ninth kind, a CE8 or a"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "CE9."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "These passages show that the Essenes"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "believed one that they possessed the"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "secrets of God. They learned wisdom."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "They heard the voice of majesty. They"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "saw and interacted with angels,"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "extraterrestrial beings."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "they could be raised or translated to"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "heaven and purified so that they could"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "join the holy ones and enter into their"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "company as sons of heaven in Sion, the"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "celestial city."}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "In fact, the purpose of the Essen"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "community was to purify members in"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "anticipation of joining the company"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "[clears throat] of angels in the"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "celestial city."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "So, what do we know or need to know"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "about this celestial city? For instance,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "is this celestial city a craft?"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "Are the Essenes talking about something"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "like what we saw in Close Encounters of"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "the Third Kind?"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "Are the angels of the Lord of the"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Essenes really gray aliens as Spielberg"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "envisions?"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "Are the elder race they spoke of a more"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "advanced ET race?"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Is the New Jerusalem a massive"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "interstellar spaceship?"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "When viewed from the bottom, the"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "spaceship in Closer Encounters seems to"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "mirror the descent of some kind of a"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "celestial city."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "But in Christian art, it's referred to"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "as a portal. The New Jerusalem itself is"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "a portal. And this certainly to me makes"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "more sense than does a spaceship."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "If the [music] New Jerusalem is a"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "portal,"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "does it exist in the material world or"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "does it only exist in the realm of"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "higher consciousness?"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Is it accessible only by the mystically"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "initiated, the awakened?"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "We must ask these questions early and"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "often."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "And for the answers, we can begin where"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "the Essenes did, with Ezekiel."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "A priest and prophet, [music] Ezekiel is"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "one of the contenders for the title of"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "founder of the Essenes. He wrote his"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "visionary book containing his vision of"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "the celestial city while captive along"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "with thousands of other Jews taken from"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "Jerusalem to Babylon between 593 and 571"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "BC after Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "first temple of Solomon."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "Ezekiel tells how he was among the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "captives living by the river Chabbar in"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "Babylon when the heavens were opened and"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "I saw visions of God."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "In the book, Ezekiel tries to convey the"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "limitless realm he experiences via this"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "hole in space to the limited terrestrial"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "mind."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "The book of Ezekiel tells of the"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "reunification of the 12 Jewish tribes"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "around a manifestation [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "of a new Jerusalem, a perfect"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "cubedshaped heavenly temple or city"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "apparently [music] centered on or"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "hovering above a rebuilt temple of"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Solomon."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "Ascension to this celestial throne, the"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "heavenly Jerusalem [music] is the goal"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "of the Essenes. And as their scrolls"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "say, it requires a change in being."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "And jellification"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "or human transformation into an angel"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "like what the Archangel Michael did for"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "[music] Enoch is one term academics use"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "for this metamorphosis or"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "transformation."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "This metamorphosis is featured in the"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "Essen story [music] of Enoch, the pre"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "flood sage who walked with God when he"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "was raised to the heavenly city by the"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "archangel Michael and [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "transformed into a glorious and glowing"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "angel named Medatron."}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "As Medatron, [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "he became a guide for all humans on the"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "path of ascension."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "These are the teachings that were ripped"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "away from the Israelites by King Josiah"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "and replaced with the Ten Commandments"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "as their scrolls were revealed in 1947"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "and we're just now the second and third"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "generations to be able to have access to"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "these scrolls. Seems to me that they"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "have sent out a call to us to answer"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "this call to transform our world to lift"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "the vibration of our planet to go beyond"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "the veil of our ordinary consciousness"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "and begin to interact with and perhaps"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "even live with this advanced race of"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "celestial beings, the angels that the"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "Essenes [music] had called in long ago"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "after the genocide of the Essenes in 68"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "AD. The first to fourth centuries AD saw"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "the Essene ascension teachings go"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "underground and reform as Gnostic."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "This religion was so named because it"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "depended upon personal spiritual"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "revelation. The nosis or knowledge of"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "God."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "Nosis simply means knowledge especially"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "of divine mysteries pointing to the"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "mystical desire of the Gnostics to"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "expand their consciousness beyond"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "ordinary perception and to see beyond"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "the veil."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "This enables access to the divine realm"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "and according to some scholars the"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "mystical path by which the Gnostics"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "attained illumination is mapped and"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "teachable. This means anyone can follow"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "this path."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "Whereas in the past, ascending to God's"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "throne and seeing his face was"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "prohibited. And in my humble opinion,"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "thanks to the Essenes, now a shift had"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "happened. The Gnostics practicing what"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "they called heckot and Merkabout"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "teachings now began to emphasize the"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "practice of ascension and seeing God."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "Through the choices one makes in their"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "life, their spiritual practices,"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "mystical techniques, personal deeds, and"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "inner awareness. One can initiate an"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "encounter with an angel and journey to"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "heaven. We can get on our boat and"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "voyage out of this world to the Merkoba,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "the chamber of God, the heaven of"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "heavens, said the Gnostics."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "In preparation for this ascension, the"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "Gnostics embarked on a process of self-"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "purification aimed at perfecting oneself"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "and gaining the higher spiritual"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "vibrations of purity, holiness,"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "wholeness, and righteousness."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "Practices like yoga, fasts, diets,"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "cleansing rituals, singing songs,"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "chanting of hymns, prayers,"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "incantations, and repeating the divine"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "name. Active visualization, meditation"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "were all used to expand the perception"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "of the Gnostic adept."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "The effect of these practices included"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "ecstatic trance, a sense of the soul,"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "deep meditation, dream vision,"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "hallucination, crossing into other"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "dimensions, and ultimately the"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "dissolution of the human into light."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "All of the Gnostic spiritual practices"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "were aimed at preparing the mystic to"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "enter the celestial chamber of God or"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "the Merkoba throne and an encounter with"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "the mighty one."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "After passing through seven heavens, the"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "mystic must penetrate the seven"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "respplendant palaces of the seventh"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "heaven itself before arriving at the"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "throne of glory, said Ezekiel. And once"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "there, the traveler encounters God on"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "his throne."}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "The visionary was taught to expect God"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "to be wearing a garment of light. The"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "vision of it includes a mystical"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "experience that transforms the body of"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "the visionary into light."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "The Gnostics believed in a divine spark"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "in man deriving from an eternal divine"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "realm fallen into this world of matter"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "and fate and needing to be awakened by a"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "divine counterpart."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "Simply put, however, Gnosticism is the"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "earliest form of Christianity. The"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "primitive Christianity, the so-called"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "heretics who preceded the historic"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "Christians were all gnostics. It was"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Roman Catholicism that labeled them"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "heretics in an effort to consolidate its"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "growing power."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "In 1945, the Gnostic Gospels were"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "discovered in Nagamadi, Egypt. These"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "astonishing manuscripts contain the"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "secret teachings of Jesus and the"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "earliest Christians."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "Whereas orthodox forms of Christianity"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "found their dogmas and doctrines almost"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "exclusively upon the outer teachings"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "Jesus gave during his brief earthly life"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "and mission. Gnostic Christianity"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "focuses primarily upon the inner and"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "secret teachings Jesus gave after the"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "resurrection."}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "That is Jesus appears to the disciples"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "in his light body form after his"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "ascension. The Gnostics thought of"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "themselves as the true interpreters of"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "these secret teachings of Jesus."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "The Nagamadi texts again discovered in"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "Egypt in 1945 are Coptic, meaning they"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "are Egyptian Christian examples of these"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "texts. Until 1945, most of what we know"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "about the Gnostics came from they who"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "persecuted them. The Gnostics were"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "condemned as heretics by the bishops of"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "the early Christian church because they"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "would not accept the canon of the New"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "Testament or the apostolic creed or the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "authority of the new church. But now"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "with the discovery of the Nagamadi"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "texts, we learned who the Gnostics truly"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "were in their own words. Among"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "several highly utilized but previously"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "unknown Gnostic texts was the Gospel of"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "Thomas which contained 114 sayings"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "attributed to Jesus. Scholars believe it"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "was written during the second half of"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "the first century AD. And it's claimed"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "in the Gospel of Thomas that the sayings"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "contained within this gospel contain the"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "secret of salvation."}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Saying one says, \"Whoever finds the"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "interpretation of the sayings will not"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "experience death.\""}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "The gospel of Thomas begins with the"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "premise that our individual spirits once"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "lived in the all the spiritual universe"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "of divine beings."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "Then through some primeval catastrophe,"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "the fall of humanity, some human spirits"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "became imprisoned in flesh and blood"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "human bodies and became trapped in the"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "material world, unaware or blind to"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "their true source."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "But Jesus comes along and saves them by"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "revealing to them the truth of who they"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "are. Divine light beings who belong to"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "another world."}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "This realization frees them from the"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "garments of their material bodies and"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "puts them on the way to acquiring their"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "robe of light."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "The doctrine of the soul's ascent"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "through the heavenly spheres was a key"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "teaching ofnosticism."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "The ascension to heaven was equivalent"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "to a spiritual resurrection. And in the"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "fulfillment of the Essen's mission,"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "Jesus cleared the way."}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "In the Gnostic ascension teachings,"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "strange beings called archons barred the"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "way to the seven heavens. And some"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "maintain the archons sought to take"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "human souls."}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "But we don't worry about them because"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "the Gnostics had a remedy or a fix. We"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "could perfect ourselves and put on a"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "garment of perfect light."}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "In the Gospel of Philip, a second"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "century Gnostic work, transformation"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "through Nosis not only allowed the"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "ascent of the soul, but it also made us"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "invisible to the archons, who some"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "believe are actually extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "beings. Philip says that not only will"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "they be unable to detain the perfect"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "man, but the archons will not be able to"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "see him, for if they see him, they will"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "detain him. There is no other way for a"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "person to acquire this quality except by"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "putting on the perfect light and he too"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "becoming a perfect light."}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "The mysteries of exactly how to become a"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "perfect light being formed the backbone"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "of the Essene revelation that was"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "adopted into the Gnostic religion"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "especially a branch of it called manism."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "Most people may have never heard of"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "manism or its founder Mani, a Babylonian"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "prophet who has been called the last"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "gnostic."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "However, this secret society of gnostics"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "were fundamentally Christians. Manayism"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "fused early Christianity and gnosticism"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "and spread from Iran to Egypt, Iraq, and"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "throughout the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "This Chinese painting depicts Jesus as a"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "Manacayan prophet. The figure can be"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "identified as a representation of Christ"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "by the small gold cross that sits on the"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "red lotus pedestal in his left hand."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "This Chinese painting depicts Manacayan"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "cosmoggony with the realm of light at"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "the top."}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "A number of manan hymns are addressed"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "not to the historical Jesus called Jesus"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "the Messiah but to the light messenger"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "Jesus referred to as Jesus the splendor"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "a magnificent shining being who displays"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "the robe of light."}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "According to manism, Jesus the splendor"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "is sent to awaken Adam and Eve to the"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "source of the spiritual light trapped"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "within their physical bodies. And the"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "aim of the [clears throat] manacayans"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "was the attainment of the light body"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "which they called the beaming garment."}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "This immaterial or flashing light body"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "beamed, meaning it radiated or displayed"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "bursts of light. It came from a light"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "garment that once belonged to Adam,"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "believed the Manachans."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "It was also instrumental in allowing"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "Jesus to be instantaneously transported"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "or beamed through the wormhole or"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "stargate linking the world of spirit and"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "the material world."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "We have established that the Cathars"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "were keepers of ascension."}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "Like the Essenes, the Cathars sought to"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "return to our edenic state, our"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "primordial condition before the fall."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "Back then, we weren't in a lesser state,"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "a physical state as some believe. We"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "were in a suprahuman phase, our light"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "bodies."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "The Cathars utilized the ascension of"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "Isaiah, an early 2nd to 3rd century AD"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "Gnostic Christian text that follows the"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "journey of the prophet Isaiah out of the"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "suffering of earth life through the"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "seven heavens to the throne of God where"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "Isaiah gets his robe of light. Always"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "this robe of light is present in these"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "ascension stories. This ascension text"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "would help the Cathars to explain the"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "consolmentum"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "because the vision of Isaiah describes"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "the place in the seventh heaven for the"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "righteous dead which would be all those"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "who had received the consolmentum."}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "The vision of Isaiah made its way into"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "the oral tradition of the Cathars. At an"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "interrogation by the Inquisition at"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "Parmier in 1321, a witness testified"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "that a Cathar had told him that another"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "Cathar had once wanted to know whether"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "he was truly following the good faith"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "and the right way of the Cathars."}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "As he prayed to understand this, an"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "angel appeared and granted him"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "successive levels of vision exactly as"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "described in the vision of Isaiah."}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "The man discovered at the end of the"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "vision that he had been away for 32"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "years. What does this mean? Was this"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "vision that he had some kind of a time"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "travel experience or did it mean"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "something else? No one is quite sure,"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "but it's quite an enigmatic line."}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "We will explore how this text was used"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "as a visualization tool to induce"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "visions of the afterlife and to connect"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "the Cathars with their future selves,"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "their light body selves."}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "Through repeated chanting of the text,"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "the body of the Cathars began to know"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "what it felt like to be in heaven among"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "the angels and how to become them. This"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "is something the Essenes taught as well."}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "And today feeling it to manifest it is a"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "principle of quantum healing. At Mont"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "Sagur we learned the legend of a book"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "that has been guarded and protected by"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "the Cathars the pure ones. A manuscript"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "which lies in a leaden casket in the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "depths of a cavern. This manuscript is"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "called the book of love."}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "Author Elizabeth Van Burren tells us the"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "book of love is said to be the book"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "given to John the Divine by Jesus and is"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "said to contain sublime teachings,"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "marvelous revelations, the most secret"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "words confided by our Lord Jesus Christ"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "to the beloved disciple."}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "Their power would be such that all"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "hatred, all anger, all jealousy would"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "vanish from the hearts of men. The"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "divine love like a new flood would"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "submerge all souls and never again would"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "blood be shed on this earth."}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "Researchers claim the book of love is"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "written in symbols."}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "These symbols are the mystery language"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "of the book of love and they are"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "preserved in curious designs inserted"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "into paper in the form of watermarks."}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "After their extermination by the"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "Catholic Church, the Cathars, those that"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "survived, became paper makers. Scottish"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "mythologist Harold Bailey called these"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "designs thought fossils or thought"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "crystals in which lies the lost"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "teachings of the book of love. These"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "symbols only became visible when the"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "paper was held to the light. Then in a"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "flash came a signal of hope and"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "encouragement to continue on the path of"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "souls."}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "Anton Gdal known as a cathar perfect one"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "or parfait says the primary symbols of"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "the book of love included the light ship"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "of Isis the Egyptian goddess."}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "Now, this is very interesting as the"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "light ship of Isis takes us to Egypt and"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "the ark of the millions of years, the"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "ascension craft, the wormhole-shaped"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "ascension craft that is the ship of the"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "soul of the ancient Egyptian gods."}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "Attached to this light ship in this"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "depiction from the temple of Hatheror at"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "Dendera is a pillar called the head of"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "Osiris. It is the ancient Egyptian"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "symbol for the hope for the afterlife."}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "The hieroglyph for the head of Osiris"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "includes a serpent on a pole."}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "This of course is the healing neahushan"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "pillar of Moses that enabled Moses to"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "make a seraraphim and was the symbol"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "that was banished from the temple of"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "Solomon by King Josiah during his purge."}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "It is the key symbol for the divine"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "feminine mysteries and represents the"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "raising of kundalini in preparation for"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "ascension."}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "This is the most intriguing symbol"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "cataloged by Harold Bailey."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "In this depiction, this Cathar diagram,"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "four symbols form a device. We see an ox"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "head, a pillar, and a serpent, and three"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "orbs and a horn."}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "The ox is the symbol for the ark of the"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "covenant, which was carried on an ox"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "cart. From the serpent's mouth emerges"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "three circles bound together. This"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "symbol is called the Tfoil. It's the"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "emblem of the Trinity. Notably, it is"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "the symbol for the fifth element, wood."}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "After earth, air, fire, and water, there"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "is the fifth element, wood, also known"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "as quintessence, the chintammani, and"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "the elixir of light, the elixir of"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "immortality."}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "The word Christ means anointed and comes"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "from the Greek charisma and creo to"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "anoint. Thus we have a creo, a horn or a"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "vessel as part of this collection of"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "symbols."}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "So now on to the ascension of Isaiah."}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "This journey is ancient. It begins with"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "what is known as Isaiah's call vision"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "around 740 BC when the Old Testament"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "prophet entered the Holy of Holies of"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "Solomon's temple, the most sacred place"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "in Judaism and saw the Lord enthroned"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "and heard him speak amidst the"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "seraraphim and heard their voices"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "calling, \"Holy, holy, holy.\" He saw the"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "Lord. He heard the Lord and heard the"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "heavenly beings in the temple."}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "A saraph took a burning coal from the"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "incense altar and purified Isaiah's"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "lips. Then Isaiah embarked on a cosmic"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "journey."}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "This cosmic journey is the journey that"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "inspired the Essenes to move out into"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "the wilderness and to expect the"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "arrival, as Isaiah described, the"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "arrival of a high celestial being."}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "Isaiah's ability to enter the heavenly"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "realms showed that it's possible to"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "transcend worlds, especially from"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "Solomon's temple."}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "All could enter this realm by actively"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "following the path of Isaiah. So the"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "ascension keepers taught."}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "This may be one reason why when the"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "church of Roma came to burn the Cathars"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "during the Albagenzian crusade and the"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "Inquisition, the Cathars went willingly"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "into the fires. They knew where they"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "were going."}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "During his journey in the second heaven,"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "Isaiah is so overcome with what he sees"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "that he falls on his face to adore the"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "angel on the throne. But his angelic"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "guide warns him not to adore the angel"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "or the throne of that heaven. No, adore"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "him only of whom I will tell you. and in"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "like fashion adore him who is above all"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "angels, above thrones, and above the"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "garments and crowns which you will see"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "hereafter."}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "Those garments and crowns are the"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "garments and crowns sought by the"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "Essenes."}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "Isaiah also saw a human form on the"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "throne. Quote, \"In the year that King"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting upon"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "a throne high and lifted up and his"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "train filled the temple. Above him stood"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "the Saraphim.\""}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "This throne is the Merkoba throne, the"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "celestial vehicle of the higher beings,"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "the throne that the Essenes sought."}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "Merkoba or throne literature describes"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "the beings who dwell at the heavenly"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "throne room in the celestial holy of"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "holies in the celestial temple."}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "The Heckalot Zutardi says their walking"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "is like the appearance of a lightning"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "bolt. A vision of them is like a vision"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "of a rainbow. Their faces are like a"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "vision of a bride. Their wings are like"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "the radiance of the clouds of glory on"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "which God rode in the heavens."}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "This means these saraphim are rainbow"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "body plasma beings. And in my opinion,"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "they are the same as the beings"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "described in the Tibetan rainbow light"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "body tradition."}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "As Isaiah's vision continues, his"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "journey continues. Each succeeding"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "heaven is more glorious than the"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "previous one. And Isaiah is filled with"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "joy."}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "In the sixth heaven, Isaiah is told that"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "no one has seen what he has seen. And he"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "has promised his place in the seventh"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "heaven upon his death when he will"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "receive his garment and will be equal to"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "the angels."}]

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Let's just say there's an"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "election"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "in a nation"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "and the election"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "turns out very differently than you and"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "many of your friends would like for that"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "election to turn out."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "All right, so that's the election."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "What do you allow that to do to you? Do"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "you allow yourself"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "to succumb to the hate"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "that makes you into something you would"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "never want to be in a million years?"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "That's the old pattern. That's evil"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "triumphant. Or"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "do you allow yourself"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "to become more"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "than that? Do you respond from your love"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "of what you know is possible"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "or your fear of what happens if you"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "don't have that response?"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "That question, that's that's a deeply"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "spiritual question. Doesn't change the"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "outcome of the election. It it changes"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "what you become in the presence"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "of that experience. That is a deeply"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "spiritual process. Okay?"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Do you You can ask yourself this"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "Do you respond to life's challenges"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "from [snorts] your love of the family"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "and all the things behind you that you"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "lead or do you respond from your hate or"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "your fear of what you believe is the"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "enemy in front of you? Deeply spiritual"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "question. And now you have the tools"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "to make those responses and"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "in a healthy way. All right? So, the"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "steps. How do we reclaim our human in"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "the technological world? Now we"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "understand"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "all of"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "the movements"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "to steal our human are expressions of"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "that struggle between good and evil."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "That's why I wanted to have this"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "question this conversation."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "What are the steps to reclaim our human?"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Let's just go through it. Step number"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "one."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "First thing to do is to recognize the"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "false narratives"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "that are prevalent in the world. The"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "false narratives that divide you and me"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "and our families and our friends and our"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "communities and our loved ones."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "It's all done through social media"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "algorithms."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "When we log on to YouTube or Facebook or"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "whatever it is and I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "I want this to be real and relevant to"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "you. So I'm using actual social media"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "names."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "We log on to those platforms. 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So, recognize"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "that. Recognize that that's happening."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "The most successful tactic"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "that is being used right now, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "I'm just going to to speak this to you"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "because once you recognize it, you'll"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "see it everywhere and you can"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "you can then navigate it."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "1989, there was a book that was written"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "called Rules for Radicals."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "It was written by a man named Saul"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Alinsky. He was a brilliant man."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "A brilliant social organizer. And he"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "actually identified in the book, when"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "you want to break the social bonds of a"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "family or a community or a society or a"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "nation, and now we can apply it to a"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "whole planet, here's the four steps."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "What you do is you pick the target of"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "the social bonds you want to break."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Maybe it's the rich against the poor."}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Maybe it's it's racial, blacks against"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "whites, or maybe it's religious,"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Christians against Muslims or Jews"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "against Muslims or whatever it is."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Pick that target, you freeze it. 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And you do that again and"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "For the issues in society that are"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "important to us,"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "but have been weaponized to divide us."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "These are all important conversations."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "We need to talk about the rich and the"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "poor and"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "and racial issues and religious issues,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "so that we can come together in unity"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "rather than have those issues weaponized"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "to drive us apart. This is what is being"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "done through social media algorithms."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "I'm saying this to you because once you"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "recognize it, you'll be able to see the"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "role it plays in your friends and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "families, you can call it out, and you"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "can avoid it. How do you avoid this?"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "The best way to avoid this is number"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "one, these are remedies, step one"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "remedies, take personal responsibility"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "for what you believe. Where do your"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "beliefs come from? Take responsibility"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "for that. Don't just follow what"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "everybody else is believing."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Number two, break out of that social"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "media silo."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "Break out of it by researching, and I"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "know it takes time sometimes, but it's"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "worth it. Seek out, number three, seek"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "out unconventional sources of"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "information. Go beyond your local news"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "station. Look at some tech papers. Look"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "at what some other other people are"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "saying. And number four, I want you to"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "take into consideration heart"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "intelligence. When you're presented with"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "these ideas, you'll know if they're true"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "going to your heart. My heart. What is"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "the meaning of what I'm being shown? My"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "heart. Is this true for me? My heart."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "Where does this information come from?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "And you'll be amazed at how clear the"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "information is that comes back to you."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Everything I've shared to you has"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "practical application. I know these are"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "not always easy things to talk about,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "but they're real, and they're important."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "What good does it do for me to come into"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "a course and say, \"Hey, you're a"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "powerful being,\" and not share with you"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "the context within which your power is"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "being challenged?"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "Now, a lot of people don't like to do"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "that, but I want to be honest, truthful,"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "and factual with you because I love you."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "And I love this world, and I love our"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "humanness, and I think we're worth"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "preserving. 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We're"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "being encouraged to believe that AI is"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "actually superior to our humanness."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "And because of that, we're being"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "encouraged to accept AI into our art,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "our creative endeavors like art. I love"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "art, human art."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Into our creative writing, our poetry,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "our music,"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "our problem-solving, our spirituality."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "We're being encouraged to bring AI into"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "all these things. Here's what happens."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "When a society"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "is introduced to a new technology, the"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "first thing that happens is they have to"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "accept it."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "And we're in a stage right now where the"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "goal of the powers that be is for us to"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "accept the AI into our lives."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Okay, it's not fully accepted yet. Once"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "that acceptance happens, then we become"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "dependent on the AI and we can't make"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "decisions without the AI."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "Now, I saw this happen in 1970s."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "We used to do mathematical calculations"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "on paper."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "1970s,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "in our classrooms, a gadget from a"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "company called TI, Texas Instruments,"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "called a calculator, came out. 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All"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "that we had done by hand in the past,"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "today you cannot find"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "young people in the classroom who know"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "how to perform those functions without"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "the calculator."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "So, it was accepted, and now we've"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "become dependent."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "And that's where we're going with this"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "technology."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "So, I want you to be aware of when"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "you're being encouraged to incorporate"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "into these creative things, because the"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "consequence, as you saw in the papers,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "we lose our abilities to problem-solve"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "and to innovate and to create and write"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "with repetitive use of artificial"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "intelligence. Documented. Use it or lose"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "it. All right? We gave you some examples"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "of that."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "So, the step two remedies, take personal"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "responsibility for your own skills. You"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "know what you can do and what you can't"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "do well, work to do it better. That's"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "how you develop your skills."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "AI is here to stay, use it and use it"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "sparingly for creative tasks if you need"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "to, rather than repetitively. 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That's a personal challenge, okay?"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "The implications of trusting AI for"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "spiritual information, uh"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "as we've shared in in the last module,"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "number nine, AI cannot be your spiritual"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "guru. It can't read your past lives. It"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "can't read"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "the Akashic records. It can't access"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "higher states of consciousness. There"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "are people out there that are going to"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "tell you that it can. So, here's what"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "I'm going to ask you to do."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "When someone says to you, AI can access"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "my past lives"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "or my spiritual evolution"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "or the Akashic records"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "you owe it to yourself to ask them."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "Say, \"How"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "does that work? What is the interface"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "between the AI"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "and the field?\""}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "And ask them that question. And if they"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "cannot answer that question in a way"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "that's honest, truthful, and factual,"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "that tells you everything that you need"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "to know."}]

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I I"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "have no children of my own, so I may not"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "be very good at this, but I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "guess he was around 2 years"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> of age."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "2 years of age, he's sitting in the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "basket in the grocery store"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> in the aisle with all the soup, all the"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "cans of soup."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "And his mother disappeared just for a"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "moment, she walked out of his sight"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "around the corner."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> And he couldn't see her."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "when she did that,"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "he began to scream at the top of his"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "lungs. I mean, he screamed like someone"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "was hurting him."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> And I looked up and said, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "what's going on? And all I saw that he"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "was alone."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "We've all seen this happen, but it's a"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "beauti- beautiful example of of a"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "universal fear. Now, think about this."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Why would a young child suddenly [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "finding themselves alone"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "not just look around and say, \"Hey, I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "alone."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "I can explore all these cans of soup,"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "you know, I can"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "I can explore, you know, what's"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "happening.\""}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "What is it about being alone that is so"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "terrifying"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> to that young child? And the answer to"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "that is that this fear [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "of of being alone, of being left alone"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "is one of the universal fears that we"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "all have."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Of being alone, another universal fear"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "is this fear of being annihilated, of of"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "not existing, and it shows up in a lot"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "of different ways."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "Of not being listened to, of not being"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "heard, of not being significant, of not"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "being worthy. These all are examples of"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "the outward expressions of [music] this"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "universal fear. So, this wisdom code"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "number three I'm going to share with you"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "right now comes from the Upanishads."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": ">> It's called the Katha Upanishad. Uh it"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "is, if you're taking notes, it comes"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "from chapter 1, section 2, verses 18"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "through 20."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "It's going to sound very similar"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> to what you heard in the Bhagavad Gita,"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "but there's a little bit different"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "twist."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "So, let me read it to you now. This is"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> the wisdom code."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "The soul is not born, nor does it die."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "It did not spring from something, and"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "nothing sprang from it. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "It is unborn, eternal, immortal, and"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "ageless. It is not destroyed when the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "body is destroyed. End of quote."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Very, very similar to what we heard"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "before with a little bit more detail."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "It's very, very clear that something"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "within us is eternal, no matter what"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "happens [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "to our bodies. And as we acknowledge"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "that to the subconscious, the"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "subconscious begins to let go of this"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "unspoken fear of annihilation, or the"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "unspoken fear of uh of ceasing to exist."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "Allowing the chemicals to pass through"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "our bodies, the rashes to heal, the"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "chronic conditions uh to to heal, and"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "allowing us"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "to move forward without the fear."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "In the absence of this fear, we are"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "freed to love."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "So, words have meaning. This is why I"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "started the book the way I did."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "Words have meaning. The words that we"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "use"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "the words"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "trigger a meaning within us, and that's"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "a feeling in our body."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "And that feeling is what allows the"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "neurons to find one another,"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "to wire together and fire in in these"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "networks."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "So, for most people"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "reciting the codes [music] in their in"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "the language that is familiar to them"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "is going to have greater meaning."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "However, [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "now I'm just going to be very clear"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "about this. There is also a vibrational"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "component. [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "There's a vibration that comes with the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "words, and that vibration uh has an"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "influence on our bodies as well. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "Language is so mysterious, and it's so"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "powerful,"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> and it's so common"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "that we rarely talk about these things."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "So, I'm I'm just going to give you an"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "example"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "of of what I mean by this."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> When we speak,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "it comes so easily and so commonly that"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "we rarely think about what's happening."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "But, let me tell you"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "how powerful you are. Let me tell you"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "what a powerful masterful being you are."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "When you speak a word, [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "here's what happens."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "First thing that happens is you have to"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "have an idea [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "that you're trying to express through"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "the word. So, there is a whole cognitive"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "process [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "that is going on."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "And when you arrive at the idea that"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "you're choosing to share,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "you set into motion"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": ">> this amazing sequence of events."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "So, the first thing is that you you draw"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "a breath,"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "the breath of life, the sacred breath"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "from the world around you. You inhale"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "that [music] breath in the most intimate"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "experience you can imagine. You're"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "bringing something outside of you deep"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "inside of you."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "You're bringing that breath in through"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "your mouth and your nose."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Draw that breath down into your lungs."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> And as that breath accumulates,"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "you begin to flutter"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "your diaphragm"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "in just the right way"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "to send the breath back"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "from where it just came."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "You now are sending that breath back up"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "in the reverse of of where it came. And"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "as you do that, as you are fluttering"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "your diaphragm to send just the right"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "amount of breath"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "back [clears throat] in reverse, you are"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "also fluttering your vocal cords in just"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "the right way to create just the right"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "vibration in that breath to to form"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "[music] an acoustic wave pattern that"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "now leaves your body, emanates into the"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "world as very precise acoustic patterns"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "that will fall upon the eardrums of"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "another person."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "And in that way you are conveying"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "meaning to that person [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "and the way they interpret that. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Science is only about 300 years old."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "We say that science began"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "approximately 300 years ago when Isaac"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Newton formalized [music] the laws of"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "physics."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "So, for 300 years, we've used science to"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "help us interpret [music] our world, and"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "if science failed in doing that, we have"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "discounted the phenomena."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> We have said, \"If you can't see it, you"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "can't measure it, then it doesn't exist."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "It's not real.\""}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "Well, you know, that thinking has"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "eliminated an entire [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "dimension of experience, the spiritual"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "experience, the [music] experience of"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "consciousness that physics is is is"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "dealing with, they're struggling with"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "Physics is having a hard time unifying"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "the laws of physics into a single"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "eloquent equation, into a single story,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "because they have omitted the"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "fundamental factor of consciousness"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "as a force in the universe. They're"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "beginning to come to terms with that, of"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "course, and then all that's [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "changing."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "So, I'm saying this to you to"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "acknowledge that what I am sharing, and"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "I know it's a very, very different way"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "of thinking, but I got to tell you, it"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "works. [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "I'm going to share some examples with"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "you. I use this stuff in my personal"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "life"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "because we're all going through"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "difficult times right now. [music] We're"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "all dealing with loss."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "We're dealing with the loss of loved"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "ones. We're dealing with the loss of"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "ways of life, entire ways of life now"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "have changed. [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "We're dealing with a world that is"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "changing faster than we can [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "document in our classrooms, in our"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "textbooks."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "And there's a new world that's emerging,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "but it's not quite here yet. So, we"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "[music] are this very special"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "generation. You are part of a very"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "special generation"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> that is living in the in-between time."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "You're living in the world where the"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "familiar things of [music] the past"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "are disappearing."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "A new world is in [music] front of us,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "it's emerging, but it's not quite here"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "yet."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "And you are living with a foot in both"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "[music] of those worlds, and you're"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "doing your very best, I know you are, to"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "raise your family, to have a job, to"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "stay healthy, [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "to have some kind of an intimate"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "relationship with another human,"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "all without being lost in the [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "fear of the uncertainty of what comes"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "next. That's where these wisdom codes"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "are so powerful."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Because the human experiences you and I"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "are having now, they might be new to us,"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "they're not new to the world. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "What scientists like Andrew Newberg are"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "saying to us"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "is that when we shift our perceptions,"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "and when we shift the words that we use"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "to describe [music] our experiences,"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "we're literally changing the physiology"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "of [music] our beings. 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It now applies to our entire"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "body, bioplasticity, the ability to"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "shift every organ, every system in"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "[music] the body, genetic plasticity,"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "the ability to literally shift the DNA"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "and the expression of the genes within"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "the DNA."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "It all comes down to something called"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "epigenetics. 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It's the only book, the"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "unique book, it does just the opposite."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "There are 2,461"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "verses that make up the biblical Book of"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "[music] Psalms,"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "and every one of those verses are"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "prayers designed to be offered to God"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "rather than information received from"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "God. Isn't that interesting? The Book of"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "Psalms is a fascinating [music] book."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "Uh and there have been entire books"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "written about the Book of Psalms because"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "it is so unique. So, you can think of"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "the Book of Psalms"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "essentially as prayers. They're"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "ready-made prayers."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "It's all about what happened on Mount"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "Sinai."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "The second time that [music] Moses"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "climbed Mount Sinai,"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "he had an experience that was very"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "different from the first time."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> Now, when we talk about these biblical"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "traditions, I'm I'm going to invite you"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "they may be considered as religious"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "books. However, I am considering these"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "as historic records of events that"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "happened that may have religious"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "implications as well."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "So even if you're not into the religion,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "if you can embrace this as a historic"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "record which historians and"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "archaeologists have been able to prove."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Archaeologists have found the remnants"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "and historians now have accepted that"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "the events in many events in in the Old"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "Testament including Moses climbing Mount"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "Sinai actually happened."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "So Moses climbed Sinai on multiple"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "occasions. The second time that Moses"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "climbed Mount Sinai he was engulfed in"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "an energy of something."}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "Now the biblical text say it looked like"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "a smoke that engulfed him and it"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "prevented the people at the bottom of"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "the mountain from being able to see"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Moses. They couldn't see what was"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "happening to him. Prevented him from"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "looking outside of that cloud for"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "a frame of reference to feel supported."}]

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And"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Mother Teresa [music] is the example"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "that always comes to mind for me."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "I have so much respect for Mother Teresa"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "and her mission"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "with the Sisters of Charity."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "A hospice organization based originally"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "in Calcutta"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "that would go into the streets of"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Calcutta before dawn every day and they"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "would find the people that had been cast"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "out by their families because of their"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "disease. They're called untouchables."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "And they were cast out into the streets"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "[music] to die. And Mother Teresa and"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "her Sisters of Charity, they would find"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "these people. They would pick them up,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "take them back to the hospice. [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "They would bathe them"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "and dress them in white gowns so that"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "they were clean and had dignity in the"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "last moments or hours of their lives. 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What a powerful"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "What Mother Teresa would say in those"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "streets of Calcutta, they were filthy"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "[music] streets amongst the filth"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "and the dung, the cow dung, and the"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "stench, and the garbage,"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "and the carcasses of other animals that"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "were out there,"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "she would see a flower growing in in the"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "cow dung."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "And she'd say, \"Ah, in that flower, I"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "see beauty"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "in the streets of Calcutta.\""}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "It was already there. She had to allow"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "for its possibility."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "When we live our lives with the"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "expectation that beauty already exists"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "everywhere, we are changed in the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "presence of that beauty. That's the"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "first statement. The beauty I live with,"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "the beauty that I live by"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "is the next statement, [music] and that"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "simply is an invitation"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "for us to allow beauty to play [music] a"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "role in our lives beyond being an"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "aesthetic."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "To allow beauty to become a force in our"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "lives. Once again, when we allow for"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "that potential,"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "when we expect beauty somewhere in all"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "things, we begin to see the world very"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "differently. The third statement says"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "that, the beauty upon which I base my"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "life."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "It is the invitation for beauty to"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "become a foundation, a cornerstone, not"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "on the back burner, not something casual"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "that we embrace on occasion,"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "but to recognize that beauty literally"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "is a force in all [music] things, and to"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "allow that force to play powerful role"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "in our life."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "For years, something strange has been"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "spotted in Australia. And in recent"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "years, we're getting more photo and"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "video evidence than ever before. In"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "today's episode, [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "I'm going to tell you three different"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "accounts of people who went out to the"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "bush and captured something that defied"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "all understanding. You won't want to"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "miss this one. In April of 2026, a"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "67-year-old retired gardener named"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "Belinda Kay was out [music] walking her"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "dog Amber through the bush in Gippsland,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "which is a very rural stretch of"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Victoria [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "down on Australia's southern coast."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Belinda had driven her van out here to"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "spend a few days with her and Amber and"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "just really enjoy the peace and [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "quiet. Belinda was what you'd call a"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "bushy. She knew what belonged in the"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "bush and what [music] didn't. Since she"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "was a gardener, she kept stopping to"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "look at plants, leaning [music] in close"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "to the leaves while Amber sniffed around"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "at her feet. And every so often, she'd"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "spot something that she'd put in the"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "ground herself plenty of times. She'd"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "smile at it like she'd just run into an"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "old friend. [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "And it was on one of those stops, out of"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "the blue, that something hit her on the"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "head from out of nowhere. It was this"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "sharp little tap. And out of the corner"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "of her eye, she caught the thing"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "bouncing off and tumbling down into the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "dirt by her feet. And so she reached up"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "and she rubbed the spot. And she's like,"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "\"Okay, like that was a nut. Something"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "fell out of a tree or a bird dropped"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "something.\" So she bent down to check"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "what it was. And she picked it up and it"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "wasn't a nut. It was a pebble. So she"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "began looking up at the branches over"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "her head and then all around her at the"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "scrub and then back down at this little"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "stone she was holding, trying to work"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "out how did even happen. It didn't make"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "any sense. I mean, it literally came out"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "of nowhere. She was kind of weirded out"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "by this, but she didn't let it bother"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "her too much. And after a little while"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "longer, she and Amber headed back to the"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "van. Now as day gave way to the evening,"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "this really strange feeling came over"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "Belinda. Especially at night as she was"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "lying in bed. It's like she just"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "couldn't shake the feeling that there"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "was somebody watching her. And"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "eventually over time, she became more"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "paranoid. She was convinced that"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "somebody was out there stalking her and"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "had thrown the pebble. However, because"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "nothing happened, the hours went by and"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "she realized it was nothing more than"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "just a silly feeling. Well, the next day"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "the whole pebble incident was still"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "fresh in her mind, but because the night"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "went well, she wasn't going to dwell on"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "it. She was just kind of pottering"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "around her campsite, cleaning up and"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "organizing when she realized there was"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "someone coming toward her. Her instincts"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "went on high alert and then she saw who"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "it was. It was an indigenous man and he"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "looked rather friendly in his demeanor."}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "He smiled a little and said hello."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "So the two of them, they ended up"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "chatting a little bit and having casual"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "small talk. Now the entire time they"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "were having a conversation, she couldn't"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "quite put her finger on it, but there"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "was just something off about this guy. I"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "mean the whole time they were talking,"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "his eyes kept moving past her into the"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "bush. Not once or twice, but many times."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "It was to the point that even Belinda"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "caught herself glancing over her"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "shoulder to see what it was that clearly"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "had captured his attention."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "And as he turned to leave, he looked at"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "her and plainly said, \"Bigfoot lives"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "here.\" Now which startled Belinda, she's"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "like, \"What? Say that again?\" And he's"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "like, \"Yeah, Bigfoot lives here.\" And"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "then then he just looked at her, pointed"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "up to the hill and casually walked away."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Now there was a particular spot he was"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "pointing at, almost inviting her to go"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "check it out. And so she walked over to"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "where he was pointing and sure enough,"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "pressed into the dirt were tracks that"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "she had not noticed before. But they"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "were so large that as soon as she saw"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "it, her stomach dropped and she's like,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "\"God, that's a huge track.\" Now, for her"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "own sanity, her mind was immediately"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "trying to write it off as a dingo or a"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "wallaby, but it was very evident that"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "looking at it was far too big to be"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "either of those. But, soft ground can"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "spread a print out, so you know, she"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "couldn't definitively say what it really"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "was. For Belinda, this was one of those"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "situations where, you know, when"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "somebody talks about spiders, you can"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "suddenly feel prickling and tickling all"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "of your skin and swear there are spiders"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "on you? That's That's the situation."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "Because she's looking around at the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "bushes around her campsite now just a"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "little differently. In fact, not even 15"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "ft away from her van or her camper, she"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "could now see that there was this big"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "patch of grass that had been pressed"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "flat. Something she hadn't really paid"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "attention to before, and there was"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "something in the middle of it. Three"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "sticks that were standing up and leaning"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "in together at the top, resembling, you"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "know, a tripod. So, she's looking at"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "this. She's like, \"What the heck?\" And"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "so, she crouched down beside it and"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "realized that maybe a kid had been out"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "here playing and just left those sticks"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "up. But, keep in mind where she was. No"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "child would be out here by themselves"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "this far."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Now, those thoughts were even stronger"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "as she continuously observed how flat"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "and pressed down the grass had been. It"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "was very obvious that there had been"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "something large and heavy lying there"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "for quite some time. Not to mention,"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "there was just this stink to it. This"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "wild musky odor, but she couldn't really"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "place it. Now, she wasn't scared, but it"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "clearly unnerved her a little bit"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "because this was only 15 ft away from"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "where she'd been sleeping. Now, this is"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "when Belinda got the idea that if she"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "pulled out some bait, maybe she can get"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "the animal to show itself."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> In hindsight, it seemed like a really"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "good idea. So, she went to the fridge,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "pulled out eight carrots and some"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "celery, carried them back over to the"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "flattened grass, and she knelt down and"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "laid them out one at a time right beside"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "the sticks. If something"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> was really living out here, she was"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "curious enough to want to see it for"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "herself. Now, setting a trap like this"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "would [music] take time to catch"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "anything, so she decided to keep herself"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "busy. She ran around and organized"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "things [music] and cleaned up camp, and"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "about a half an hour goes by, and she'd"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "figured she'd go and check the trap"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "again. And so when she got within"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "eyesight of the bait, she stopped, and"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "her eyes got wide. Everything was gone"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "except two carrots. So, she starts"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "looking around because how could anyone"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "or anything have snuck up and taken"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "[music] most of the bait without her"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "even realizing. She had not seen any"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "signs or anyone or anything at this"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "point. Somebody was clearly out here"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "playing a trick on her. In fact, it was"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "probably that old indigenous [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "man, you know, she thought. She became"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "convinced of that even more she saw that"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "none of the food had been pecked or"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "nibbled on. It looked like somebody had"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "just picked it up and taken it. But"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "right around then, a fox came out of the"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "scrub [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "for whatever reason, instead of being"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "scared of Belinda, it walked up to her"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "and just kind of looked at her in the"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "eye for a moment, and then trotted off"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "like no big deal. Now, confused [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "by this, she realized that maybe it was"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "far more lively out here with animal"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "activity than she [music] realized, and"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "maybe she really could see something."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "So, by this point, she stood by the van"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "with her phone out and the camera ready,"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "and she kept her eye on the two carrots"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "still lying right where she'd put them,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "and her eyes kept going back and forth"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "along the edge of the scrub. She was"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "convinced it was only a matter of time"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "before the fox or whoever was pranking"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "her was going to be back. Either way,"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "she was going to solve this. And that's"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "when at the edge of the bush, there was"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "something brown and furry. Belinda was"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "like, \"Aha, there's the fox coming back"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "for more. I can see its tail. There it"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "is.\" But as she's looking at it, she"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "realizes the fur is way too long for a"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "fox. The animal that's coming out toward"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "those carrots is reaching. Then she"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "realizes that she's not seeing the head"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "of a fox pop out, that this is an arm."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "It's big and thick and covered in long"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "brown fur reaching out of the scrub for"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "the carrots that she put there. She's"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "beside herself. She's like, \"Oh my god,"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "what's going on here?\" Because she"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "already had her phone up and so she"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "snapped a photo and just like that, as"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "soon as she knows what she's looking at,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "it's over. The arm retracted and she was"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "too shaken up to really investigate"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "further. And for the rest of the day and"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "evening, she stayed as close to camp as"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "possible. Now, even though she was a"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "little shaken up, she wasn't terrified,"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "but this clearly changed things. That"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "night, Belinda climbed into bed in the"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "van with Ember and as you can imagine,"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "she didn't exactly drift off to sleep."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Her mind kept going back to the arm and"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "to the flattened grass right out there"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "in the dark. And as she's obsessively"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "thinking about these things and reliving"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "those memories, she could hear distant"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "thunder. And it begins to get louder and"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "she could start to hear the"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "pitter-pattering of rain and a storm was"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "rolling in. Eventually, she fell asleep."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "At around 2:00 in the morning, she woke"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "up and she had to use the bathroom"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "really bad, which out here meant getting"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "out of bed and going outside in the dark"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "in the middle of the bush. So, after the"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "day she just had, it made her hesitant"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "and realizing the situation, she she"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "took a deep breath. She got up, went to"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "the door, and even though she was very"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "hesitant, it was starting to get really"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "stuffy, so she was really looking"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "forward to that breath of fresh air. You"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "know that smell after a good rain, wet"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "earth, the gum trees, everything is"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "fresh and clean. That's what she was"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "expecting. But the second she opened the"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "door, it hit her. This thick rotten"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "stench so strong that it practically"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "knocked her over. It was like rotting"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "garbage mixed with cheese or sump oil,"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "which is basically old dirty engine oil."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "And then it clicked. That wild, musky"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "smell over by the flattened grass, the"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "one she couldn't place, this was it."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "Only this was 100 times stronger, and it"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "was right [music] outside her door. That"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "fear came over her again from the first"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "day that she was being stalked or"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "watched, and that she was not alone. So,"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "she quickly went out and relieved"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "herself, rushed back in the trailer,"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "and didn't experience anything else the"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "rest of the night. Now, this is the"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "photo Belinda took that day. Her phone"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "actually caught it as what's called a"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "motion photo, which is basically about 2"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "seconds of video, and this is [music] a"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "still from that. And there it is."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "Something big and thick and covered in"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "brown fur reaching out of the scrub. In"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "Australia, most people have their own"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "name for Bigfoot. [music] They call it a"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "Yowie."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "And once Belinda got home, her photo"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "made its way to a man named Gary Opit, a"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "zoologist who lives not far from her up"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "in northern New South Wales. Now, Gary's"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "hosted a wildlife column show on ABC"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "radio for decades, and he's spent about"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "30 years looking into Yowie sightings."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "Belinda's photo astounded him. I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "quoting him here."}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> \"Belinda is the only video that I have"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "ever seen that really shows a Yowie"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "because it is so close in daylight.\" He"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "even passed it along to a primatologist"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "who reportedly said that that arm could"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "belong to a Gigantopithecus, that it's a"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "giant prehistoric [music] ape, maybe 10"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "ft tall and we only know it from"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "fossils, teeth and jaw bones dug up in"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "southern China. Honestly, if something"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "like that is out there, Gippsland"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "wouldn't be a bad place for it. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "the region is actually a little bit"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "bigger than the whole country of"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Switzerland, and a lot of it is"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "mountains and thick, wet forests and"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "[music] rainforest gullies. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "got its own history of Yowie sightings"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "as well. A little timber town up there"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "had its own sightings in the '80s and"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "again in the 2010s. [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "And in fact, researchers have collected"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "reports from all over this place going"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "back to the 1950s. Even more interesting"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "is the odor that Belinda smelled"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> aligns with the putrid smell so many"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "witnesses have reported in their own"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "[music] sightings. Now, obviously,"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "Belinda cannot prove that that's what"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "she photographed, but she firmly"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "believes she encountered something out"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "there that [music] clearly defies what"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "we all know as normal."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "In September of 2000, a man named Danny"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "Perez was over in Australia visiting"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "from California. Danny was an"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "electrician by trade, but on the side,"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "for more than 20 years, he'd been"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "chasing one very particular subject."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "He even put out his own little"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "newsletter about it. And on this trip,"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "he was staying with a couple of"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Australian researchers who were into the"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "same thing he was. Now, the reason he'd"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "even come to Australia was because word"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "got around in his little circle that a"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "guy in Canberra had something he wanted"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "to show people, and that he was going to"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "show it right at the spot where it"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "happened. Danny wasn't about to miss"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "that. [music] So, that Sunday, Danny and"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "a handful of those researchers met up in"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "a car park right near Cotter Dam"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": ">> out in the bush outside Canberra. And a"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "little while later, this brand new Lexus"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "pulls in, and out steps a guy named"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "Steve, who was also from Canberra. He"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "was a businessman who liked getting out"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "to the bush and filming things. And"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "also, there was another young researcher"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "named Tim. Now, after a brief"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "introduction and some small talk, Steve"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "led the way from the car park, and"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "everybody followed him up the hill onto"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "a dirt road. Now, a few hundred feet"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "along, he pulled over to the side, and"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "he began motioning to the others to do"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "the same. He then expressed to everybody"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "that this was it. This was the exact"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "spot where it happened. So, he got out"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "his video camera and naturally everybody"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "crowded around it taking turns leaning"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "in to see what Steve had actually"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "captured on camera down in the gully"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "below. Now, for Danny, what Steve had"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "captured on camera wasn't cutting it."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "The only screen he could watch it from"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "was the small one on the camera and it"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "wasn't enough to really see any details."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "There was clearly something moving, so"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "he had captured something, but honestly,"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "that was about all you could say. Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "if Danny was going to figure out whether"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "this was the real deal, the tape alone"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "wasn't going to do it. He needed to"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "really press Steve for the details and"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "make sure this guy is the real deal. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "for the rest of the day, everybody was"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "grilling Steve. Nobody grilled him quite"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "like Danny did though. He was basically"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "hitting him with question after"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "question. \"Where exactly were you"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "standing? What were you doing out here?"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "What did you think it was at first? How"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "long did you watch it? Why did you keep"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "filming?\" And like a true observer,"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "Danny was doing more than just listening"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "to his responses. He was watching"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "Steve's body language and demeanor and"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "any signs that suggested he was being"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "dishonest in [music] some way."}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "However, question after question, Danny"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "was pretty satisfied with how Steve was"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "answering the questions and from what he"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "[music] could tell, he seemed to be a"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "really genuine guy. In fact, Steve"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "invited all of them to go down into"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "[music] the gully and walk the path to"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "truly see what he had captured on"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "camera. So, they all picked their way"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "down off that dirt road into the gully."}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Every so often, Danny would stop and"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "he'd look back up at the spot where"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "Steve had [music] been standing trying"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "to line up what he was seeing with what"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "had been on that tiny screen. Now, one"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "of the researchers, a guy [music] named"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Tony, was actually a trained surveyor."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "So, while Tony took his measurements,"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "the rest of them followed the line"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "through the bush. But, they encountered"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "an issue. You see, the path [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "followed this old logging track, which"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "meant it was easy walking compared to"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "all the bush around it. That's when some"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "of the guys got a little suspicious. I"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "mean, this was just too convenient."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "Because if you're going to walk through"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "this gully for a camera, of course"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "that's exactly the route you'd pick."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "Now, the one thing that Steve captured"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "on film that worked in his favor is the"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "limp. Whatever Steve had filmed had a"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "really pronounced limp, like it was hurt"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "or like it was carrying [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "something. And so that helped ease those"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "suspicions a little bit. By the time"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "they were done, pretty much everybody"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "had the same request. They wanted to see"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "the tape on a real screen. Because all"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "day long, everything they'd argue about"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "had come off a picture about the size of"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "a matchbox, and you could only really"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "read so much [music] into something that"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "small. So that evening, they all ended"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "up at Tony's house, and Tim and Steve"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "put the tape on a big TV. And so for the"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "first time all day, Danny got a proper"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "look. He watched how natural it was and"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "how large it was, and the way it put all"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "its weight on one leg, the one that it"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "wasn't limping on. And after an entire"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "day of grilling the guy who shot it,"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "Danny had already been convinced enough"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "of Steve that he'd sign off on this"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "being completely legit. Of course,"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "[music] he was beyond satisfied that"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "this wasn't a waste of his time, and"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "that his intuition was right all along."}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "[music] Now, the footage Danny saw that"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "evening was shot by Steve about a month"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "earlier, right there in that gully. Back"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "on August 28th, Steve had come up into"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "the Brindabella Ranges, which are"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "mountains just south [music] of"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "Canberra, to film some video. It was"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "just a regular day out for him, camera"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "in hand, looking for a nice shot of the"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "hills in the bush, and he was up on the"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "dirt road, which is the same spot he'd"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "bring everybody back to a month later,"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "and he's looking down over the gully"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "below. From up there, it's all scrub and"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "gum trees, all of it dropping away down"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "the slope, the kind of view that looks"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "great through a camera. So he just"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "started filming, and he's panning"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "across, very slow and steady, and at"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "some point [music] he noticed something"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "moving down there. Initially, he thought"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "it was a big kangaroo, but then he"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "realized [music] it was too big. And so,"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "naturally, being very curious, he zoomed"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "in, and in his words, he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "believe his eyes. This massive creature"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "was trampling through the undergrowth,"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "and it appeared to have a limp. And on"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "that tape, you can see it. It's upright,"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "it's walking through the scrub, dark all"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "over, and it's kind of hunched, limping."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "Steve was blown away by what he had"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "captured because he wasn't sure what it"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "was. And so, in an attempt to get"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "answers, he brought this tape to Tim,"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "the researcher, and even he was"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "astounded. He simply called it the best"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "he'd ever seen. Now, the man who caught"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "that strange creature on camera was"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "Steve Piper, and the way Danny Perez"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "sees it, it's credible, convincing"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "footage of what could be a Yowie."}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "In early 2001, a man named Brett drove"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "an old station wagon out to Lightning"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "Ridge, which is an opal mining town way"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "up in northern New South Wales, right"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "near the Queensland border. He basically"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "didn't have a dollar to his name, just"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "about enough for fuel to get there. And"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "honestly, he was dealing with a lot of"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "hardships in life, and he just really"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "wanted to be somewhere quiet, somewhere"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "where he could be on his own for a"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "while. Now, at the time, a friend of his"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "named Greg had offered him a way to do"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "both. He's like, \"Come out to the ridge,"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "dig for opal for a couple months, and if"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "you find any, you could strike it rich.\""}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "So, Brett packed up the wagon, threw in"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "two cartons of beer for the nights, and"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "he drove out. Now, Brett's a big dude."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "He's 6'2\", about 285 lb, and he'd spent"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "years working as a bouncer in"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "nightclubs. I mean, he was used to being"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "the biggest guy in the room."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Now, out at the fields, Greg took him to"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "meet a man named Vince. Vince had been"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "out there a long time and he was sort of"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "the caretaker. When they met, he"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "actually had a warning for Brett. He's"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "like, \"You need to watch out for riders."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "They're people who will come onto your"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "claim and take what you dug.\""}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": ">> And then he told him if you ever hear a"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "bullet whistling through the trees, you"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "need to hit [music] the deck cuz that's"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "going to be me putting a shot out to"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "scare them off. And then Greg broke the"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "other bit of news, which was that both"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "of the both of the beers that he brought"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "were going to have to be Vince's because"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "there was no alcohol in sight. So, there"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "went his quiet nights, right? So, he let"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "it go. He's like, \"All right, you know,"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "I'll I'll go along with this.\" And then"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "he climbed back into the wagon and"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "headed out to his claim bumping along"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "the rough dirt tracks past piles of dug"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "up holes and, you know, until the piles"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "thinned out and it was basically just"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "him in the scrub. When he finally pulled"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "up and got a look at the spot where he'd"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "be spending the next couple months, he"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "figured, \"All right, this will do.\" His"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "claim was what they call a hard claim."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "He'd be down in the hole with a 100-lb"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "air jackhammer and it would pretty much"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "bounce right off the rock hardly making"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "a dent. But somewhere down there, you"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "could hit a knobby, which is a lump of"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "rock with opal inside it [music] and it"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "could be a $10 million rock and nobody"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "else was really digging up there, so he"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "had it all to himself. And so at the"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "time, he slept in a caravan right by the"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "hole and up by the bed there was a"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "window 9 ft off the ground with a white"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "lace curtain over it. Now, keep in mind"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "that this is [music] extremely desolate."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "There's nobody around for miles and"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "miles. Or I guess since we're talking"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "about the land down under, it's [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "kilometers. Now, about a week or two in,"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "he was sitting by his fire one evening"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "after a day down the hole and he's"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "cooking his dinner sitting on the log"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "that he used as a chair with the gum"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "trees at his back and the light going"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "down behind them and this was exactly"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "what he'd come out here for. There was"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "no music or crowds. It was really"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "peaceful. But then he got this feeling"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "that somebody was watching him. When you"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "work at the door to nightclub, you kind"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "of just know the feeling. You know, you"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "turn around and there's somebody just"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "mean-mugging you. And so, he turned"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "around, but there's nobody there. Just a"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "lot of gum trees. And so, day after day,"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "this really started to spook Brett"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "because he couldn't exactly place the"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "feeling and why he was getting it. By"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "about 2 weeks in, it was pretty much"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "non-stop all day, every day. And it went"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "on like that for weeks. He put it down"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "to just being there out on his own and"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "that he was [music] becoming"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "increasingly paranoid. But, he was there"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "to make some money. So, he focused, put"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "his head [music] down, and kept digging."}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "Now, most nights his fire was out by"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "6:00 or 7:00 and he'd go in, light a"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "candle, read a chapter or two of his"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "favorite book, and he'd be asleep. He"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "was that tired. Then, about 2 months in,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "he ended up staying up later than usual."}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "Now, by the time he went into bed, it"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "was half past 8:00 or 9:00 and the fire"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "was still going. And it was actually"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "still about 2 ft across and full of red"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "coals. He left it that way. He figured,"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "\"What the heck? Why put it out?\" And so,"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "he went inside, laid down like he had"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "before, and then continued his nightly"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "ritual, which was lighting a candle and"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "reading his book. Now, he was really"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "sucked in and then all of a sudden he he"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "heard [music] footsteps outside right"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "alongside his caravan. And so, he put"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "the book down and he's thinking, \"Holy"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "crap, there's somebody outside my"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "camper. It's either Vince or Riders, but"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "whoever it is, they probably don't mean"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "well because it's dark outside and he"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "kind of just froze up.\" And the more he"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "listened, the more he knew that the"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "footsteps were very intentional and they"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "were trying to just slowly approach him."}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "And they were actually approaching his"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "window, the one right by his bed. Now,"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "he couldn't see out because of the white"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "lace, but he knew intuitively that"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "somebody was standing right outside."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Then, whoever this was paused briefly,"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "moved off, went around, and right toward"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "the fire, and just stopped. And for"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "several moments, things were very tense"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "because nothing was happening. All he"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "could think is like, who is out there?"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "Why are they just standing there by the"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "fire? You know, he's thinking that"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "they're planning something nefarious."}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "Like maybe they're going to try to break"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "in. But interrupting that train of"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "thought is what sounds like a fire hose,"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "and it's loud. And I think for a lot of"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "us, we would be so petrified in the"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "moment that we wouldn't move. But for"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "him, he's like, that's enough. He gets"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "up, walks over to the door, flings it"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "open because he just has to know what's"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "happening. And folks, [music] right in"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "front of him, not even 6 ft away, is the"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "most bizarre sight he's ever seen."}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "Standing over his fire is this massive,"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "burly, what looks to be a man, but not"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "quite a man because of how large they"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "are, and they're covered in really deep"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "brown, reddish hair, and"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "it's clearly urinating on his fire. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "putting his fire [music] out. And his"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "brain is kind of just"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "and he's in shock. And he sees this man"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "who's far bigger than he, standing right"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "in front of him. I mean, this person or"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "thing is so big [music] that it could"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "rip him in half in a heartbeat if it"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "wanted to. And the two of them actually"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "end up looking at each other. But what"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "do you even say? And the thoughts come"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "to his head, and he just says this out"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "loud. He's like,"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "I'm so sorry. I should have put the fire"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "out. Obviously, whoever or whatever this"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "wild man is doesn't say anything or make"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "any sort of expression that shows it"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "understands him. It stops urinating, and"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "then turns and walks off into the gum"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "trees,"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "and then it's gone. Now,"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "interestingly, [music]"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "not even an hour later, the wind began"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "to blow and stir up like you wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "believe, and it came tearing through the"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "gum trees all around the caravan, and"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "then rain came pouring down, and then"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "crash off in the distance, lightning"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "started. And as he lay there listening"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "to the storm, all he could think about"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "was the fire, and he realized that if"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "the fire hadn't been put out with how"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "bad the wind was, it could have easily"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "started a really horrific wildfire."}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "There's a story in indigenous tradition"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "that talks about that if a Yowie thinks"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "you're doing something disrespectful to"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "the land, they will speak to you."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "But the story isn't exactly clear on"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "how, when, where, what, or why, but"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "Brett, being familiar with the"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "tradition, is sure that's exactly what"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "he saw that day. Unfortunately, all of"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "it remains a mystery. And because you"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "guys made it this far, I want you to all"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "comment down below, \"That's a hairy"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "arm.\" So that way I know who made it to"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "the end and who didn't. And if you guys"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "enjoy content like this where we deep"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "dive into strange cases of mysterious"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "and supernatural, what are you waiting"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "for? 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "A dozen climbers on Scotland's highest"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "mountain heard screams coming through"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "the mist. And one instructor thought"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "somebody had just watched a [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "loved one fall to their death. But then"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "the screaming changed. In this episode,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "we'll look at the encounters that have"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "left people questioning what's happening"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "on this mountain. You won't want to miss"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "this one."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "In February of 2015, a 38-year-old"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "climbing instructor named [music] Kevin"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Shields was climbing the north face of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Ben Nevice in Scotland, which is the"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "highest mountain in the British Isles."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "[music] Now, Dave Mloud was above him"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "leading and their friend Joe was below."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "Dave had climbed the first pitch cleanly"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "and was bringing Kevin up. So, Kevin"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "checked the ice. He saw that it was"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "thick, sticky, and solid, which is"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "[music] exactly what he wanted. And so"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "he had an axe strapped to each wrist"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "with a custom prosthetic on the left"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "[music] because it turns out that Kevin"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "was born without fingers on that hand."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "On that February morning, the route went"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "behind a [music] hanging curtain of ice"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "and around to the top. Mist covered the"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "upper cliffs right at their elevation,"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "but [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "cloud was ordinary here. In winter"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "climbing, you had to learn to listen"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "because [music] the thud of an axe and"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "good ice was a very reassuring sound."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "But a deep thump from a slope ready to"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "avalanche or boot spikes scraping bare"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "rock when you needed [music] ice. Well,"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "that meant trouble. Now, partway up,"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "Kevin was surrounded by what he compared"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "to a white room. He couldn't see his"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "partner and sound was muffled. It was so"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "incredibly quiet. And out of nowhere, he"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "heard this scream. And it started off as"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "this kind of muffled noise, but very"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "quickly it cut right through the mist."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "And Kevin felt this cold shoot through"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "his veins and settle in the back of his"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "neck. He had heard people use the phrase"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "blood curdling before, but this scream"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "that he heard made him understand. And"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "the thing that really shook him was that"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "there was so much pain in this sound"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "that his first thought was that somebody"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "had just watched a loved one fall to"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "their death. But as he was shocked"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "listening to it, the whale changed. Now,"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Kevin thought he could make out"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "something underneath it, kind of like"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "words or something, as if somebody was"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "asking for help again and again and then"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "calling on God to help them. But he"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "couldn't be certain that was what he was"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "hearing. It wasn't really clear, but"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "he'd been in accidents before and he"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "knew what people sounded like when they"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "were dealing with trauma. And in that"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "moment, all he wanted to do was get off"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "the route and off the mountain. But at"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "the time, getting down the mountain was"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "pretty difficult because he was halfway"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "up an ice goalie. I mean, there was no"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "easy way out and the fastest way to"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "safety was up. If somebody needed help,"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "going up wouldn't get him down to look"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "for them. But then the screams kind of"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "faded away and everything went quiet"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "again. And so he looked toward a nearby"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "ridge where he assumed the sound had"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "come from and he just waited for a body"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "to fall out of the mist. But after"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "several moments, nothing moved. So he"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "looked below him and he saw Joe was"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "staring up with wide eyes. And then he"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "shouted up to Dave. And it turns out"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Dave had heard it, too. So [music] Kevin"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "right there called off the climb. They"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "needed to go down and [music] see"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "whether anybody needed help. But they"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "were determined to help whoever this"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "was. So now all three of them were in"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "rescue mode. And Dave [music] and Joe"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "agreed to abandon the climb because this"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "was more important. And so the three of"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "them repelled down to the base of the"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "North Face and they started looking."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Kevin expected something horrific like a"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "body or at least the [music] debris from"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "a fall. Scattered equipment, torn rope,"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "blood in the snow, but they couldn't"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "really find anything. And so they walked"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "across the base [music] of the cliffs"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "checking beneath the goalies where a"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "fallen climber would end up. But after"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "[music] a while, they didn't see"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "anything. So that's when they decided to"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "widen the search. and they went nearly"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "down to the hut and then [music] worked"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "back up into observatory goalie. They"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "searched high into the rocks on both"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "sides, but still there was no sign of an"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "accident or anybody who needed them. The"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "entire time Kevin just kept thinking"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "that [music] if somebody had screamed"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "like that, I mean, surely he'd still be"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "hearing them. And if they couldn't"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "scream anymore, then there ought to be"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "something to find, right? Well, after a"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "very long search, the three of them"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "eventually gave up and started heading"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "down. That afternoon, as they were"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "walking out, they met some other"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "climbers at a river crossing. One of"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "them was Christopher Slight, who was a"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "producer for BBC Radio Scotland, [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "who'd been climbing a different route"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "nearby called Comb Goalie. Now, those"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "climbers stopped Kevin's group and asked"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "if they had heard anything. So Kevin"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "[music] explained what had happened and"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "the other group had heard the same"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "screams through the same fog all at the"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "same time. They'd also abandoned their"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "climb and gone looking for somebody."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "They hadn't [music] found anyone either."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "And mind you, these weren't the only two"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "groups. Easily a dozen climbers across"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "the North Face had heard those same"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "[music] screams. Several had"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "independently left their routes to"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "investigate, putting themselves at risk"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "to look for somebody they [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "believed might be dying. Several had"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "even called the police. Lockabar"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "Mountain Rescue [music] was sent out to"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "search the mountain, but they found"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "nothing, and the team stood down. Local"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "police confirmed that nobody had been"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "reported missing on Ben NeAs that day,"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "and there was no identified accident or"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "victim, and nobody was unaccounted for."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "Kevin had expected to hear a helicopter"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "or even the voices of people organizing"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "a rescue, but instead all he heard was"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "the voices of climbers just like him"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "trying to understand what it was they'd"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "heard. In 2017, Chris raised possible"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "explanations with Kevin on his podcast."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "I"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> I just started hearing like screaming"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "like I've never heard before, like"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "anywhere at any point in my life. When"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Chris suggested an owl and Kevin joked"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "about Harry Potter, he didn't answer the"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "suggestion of a [music] fox and he"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "rejected a deer. What really bothered"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "him was the language he thought he might"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "have heard. He couldn't be certain those"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "were the words, but the animal"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "suggestions didn't fit what he"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "remembered. His closest comparison was a"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "banshee, the spirit from Irish mythology"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "[music] whose scream fortell's death."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Now, Kevin was mostly joking. He didn't"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "really know what he'd heard and neither"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "did Chris or the others. [music] The"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "police closed the case and whatever made"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "that sound was never identified to this"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "day. Unfortunately, what it really was"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "remains a mystery."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Sometime in the 2010s, a climber named"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "Scott and a friend were hiking near the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "high cliffs of the north face of [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Ben Nevice. At the time, the fog was so"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "incredibly thick that they could barely"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "see where they were going. They were the"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "only ones out there, and they were"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "picking their way over the rough ground."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "But even at this time, [music] they"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "could still find the cannons, which were"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "piles of stones marking the way across"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "the mountain. And as they're going, they"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "spotted one ahead. So, they knew they"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "were on track. And then they found the"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "next one. [music] And so, they kept"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "going. And they were slowly working"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "their way across the mountain side."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "until another Kairen came into view and"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "that was when they saw something that"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "was moving in the fog directly ahead of"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "them. They were able to make out that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "these were figures, three of them, and"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "they looked at least 7 ft tall, probably"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "taller, although it was really hard to"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "judge their height through the mist. And"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "they appear to be wearing these long"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "off-white robes. Even the color was hard"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "to make out, but Scott could see them"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "moving across the ground. And something"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "about the movement didn't really make"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "sense. The two friends had been picking"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "their way over loose rock. The footing"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "was very uneven, and you had to be very"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "careful where you put your feet because"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "even somebody who climbed for a living"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "would have to take their time over"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "ground like this. And these figures, the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "way they were moving so quickly and"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "smoothly, it just didn't really match"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "how somebody would move over this kind"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "of rock. It was evident that the terrain"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "was not slowing them down whatsoever. I"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "mean, from their vantage point, it"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "looked or appeared to be as if they were"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "almost kind of gliding. Neither man can"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "make sense of the situation or really"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "what they're seeing. And in fact, him"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "and his friend stopped where they were"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "and they just watched in awe because it"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "was so strange. And then all three swept"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "right past them. They didn't say"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "anything or even acknowledge either of"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "the two men. They kind of just passed in"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "silence and then kind of just"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "disappeared off into the fog. Now, other"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "climbers and climbers on Ben NeAs have"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "all described these tall figures and"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "shadowy shapes moving with a very"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "strange speed over this kind of rough"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "terrain. Now, some of those reports"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "include figures that vanished when"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "somebody had approached them. I mean, if"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "you put those reports beside the Kak"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "legend, which is a giant winter goddess"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "whose throne was on Ben Nevice, I mean,"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "it's really easy to start connecting"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "them. But of course, that's speculation."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Scott and his friend never worked out"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "what it was they had seen. And even to"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "this day, there's a lot of other strange"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "sightings on Ben NeAs that people still"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "can't explain. One morning in August of"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "2015, a 27-year-old carpenter named"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "[music] James Robbie was right near the"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "summit of Ben Nevice with his older"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "brother, Alex, when [music] a man"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "appeared through the mist. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "brothers had come up there to spend a"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "week [music] camping near the top of the"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "mountain raising money for the Archie"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "Foundation, which is [music] a"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "children's charity. And so, they'd set"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "up beside the remains of an old Stone"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "Weather Observatory. At the time, it was"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "around 10 or 11 in the morning. And this"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "[music] man seemed completely"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "comfortable. He knew about the building"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "they were camping beside, and he began"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "telling them its history. In fact, he"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "was confident and specific. And as James"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "listened, the man gave every impression"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "that he knew this part of the mountain"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "extremely well. And it turns out,"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "according to him, there had been people"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "living in that observatory year round,"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "recording the weather every hour, right"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "through the night. And during its first"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "winter, snow had buried the summit 5 ft"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "deep, and the [music] people inside had"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "dug tunnels just to get out. And then"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "the man told the brothers he wanted to"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "show them something. So, James and Alex"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "followed him to a spot nearby, and they"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "noticed that the man moved slowly, but"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "he didn't seem uncertain about where he"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "was taking them. Now, to the brothers,"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "it was almost as though he was drawing"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "the whole thing out, like he was [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "really taking his time, and he knew what"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "they were going to see. They were the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "ones waiting to find out. And so, as"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "they followed him, James had the man's"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "account of the observatory to go on. So"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "whatever [music] this man wanted to show"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "them, there was a whole history it could"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "belong to. Now eventually the man"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "reached the spot he wanted, got down"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "among the ruins and rubble, and he"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "turned over a stone. And then he told"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "them that it was a gravestone. So James"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "and Alex had followed him over to look"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "at something near the old building. And"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "now he was showing them what he said"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "marked [music] somebody's grave. And"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "carved into the stone was a name,"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "Wilson. There was [music] also a number"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "that read 1810. And there were other"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "marks, words that looked like Easter"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "Road Canal [music] along with H49. That"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "last part might have been a coordinate,"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "but it wasn't clear what any of it was"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "supposed to tell them about the person"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "named on [music] the stone. Now, neither"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "James or Alex really are understanding"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "the situation. It's kind of strange, but"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "the man was like, \"Hey, you know what?"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "Go ahead and take a couple of"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "photographs. You know, do whatever you"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "want to do. Look at it.\" And then he"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "turned, walked back into the mist, and"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "he disappeared from view. Now, at the"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "time, they both thought this guy was"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "strange, but they still had two nights"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "left on the summit. Now, the number on"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "that stone created a problem with the"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "history that they were told. The"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "observatory had opened in 1883. And so,"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "if 1810 was a year connected to that"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "grave, [music] it means it was 73 years"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "before it ever opened. So, the name and"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "number didn't fit some simple"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "explanation that somebody had died while"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "working there. But [music] it turns out"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "there actually was a Wilson connected to"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "the observatory. Charles Wilson had"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "spent 2 weeks there as a student"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "volunteer. Except Charles Wilson's visit"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "was [music] in the 1890s, which is more"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "than 80 years after the number on the"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "stone. And he hadn't died up there. He'd"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "gone home after his 2 weeks. A former"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "mountain rescue worker, when asked about"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "the marker, explained that he also had"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "never heard of it. And he also pointed"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "out that a gravestone would usually have"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "dates of birth and death rather than"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "just one number. It was concluded that"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "whoever was up there, probably when they"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "were building the observatory, probably"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "just scratched a number, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "doodled it into a rock. But in their"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "account, the man who showed it to them"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "remained unidentified. And what's odd is"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "that he'd known where to go among the"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "rubble. He turned over that particular"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "stone, and he'd chosen to call it a"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "gravestone. James later wrote that he"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "spent those two nights [music] wondering"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "whether somebody might come out of the"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "tomb, still dressed in their burial"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "clothes and make their way over to the"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "brother's shelter. Either way, it's a"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "bizarre, bizarre account."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> In February of 1973, as he remembers it,"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "an 18-year-old climber named Phil McNeel"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "headed into the Scottish [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "Highlands with his friend Jimmy Dunn."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Now, they had spent most weekends in the"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "mountains, and this time they'd been"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "told about a house called Lua Belts. It"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "was a long way into the hills, but the"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "people who lived there were supposed to"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "let climbers stay. And so, the house was"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "pretty quiet when they eventually"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "arrived, and they began looking through"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "the windows. And to them, it seemed"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "occupied. So, Phil and Jimmy just left"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "their bags in an out building and went"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "[music] off climbing, expecting to come"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "back that evening. And so, around 9 or"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "so, when they came back, it was pitch"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "black. And as soon as Phil went in, he"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "noticed just how cold the house was. I"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "mean, it felt colder to him than the air"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "he [music] had just come in from. And"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "so, they made their way through the"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "house, but the rooms still looked very"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "lived in. I mean, there was a table set"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "for Christmas [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "with crackers still on it. I mean, to"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "Phil, it looked as though the people who"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "lived here had left very suddenly with"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "everything set up for a Christmas that"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "had never happened. So, he and Jimmy"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "just went through the building, but they"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "couldn't find anybody. Now, there was"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "one small upstairs room that looked"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "different from the rest. There was a"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "metal framed bed that had been taken"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "apart. The pieces were against the wall"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "and there was a large window ledge and"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "on it sat a boulder between a pair of"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "green curtains. Not sure which room to"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "take, they decided the downstairs living"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "room was where they were going to sleep."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "And Phil would later explain why he"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "hadn't expected the residents to turn"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "[music] up and find them there. Luilt"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "was so far into the mountains that he"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "didn't think somebody would make that"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "journey in the middle of a winter night."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "So, they got into their sleeping bags"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "and they blew out the candles and the"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "room went dark. But in Phil's"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "recollection, they'd barely put the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "candles out when they heard footsteps in"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "the room above. And then that noise"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "changed. And to Phil, it sounded like"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "that dismantled metal bed was being"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "pulled away from the wall. And what"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "followed sounded like somebody putting"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "it together. And a little later came"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "another noise which he took to be the"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "boulder rolling around on the upstairs"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "floor. And so he was he was hearing all"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "of this from downstairs. And even though"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "he couldn't see anybody, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "moving the bed or the stone, he could"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "clearly hear movement upstairs. Now,"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "Jimmy hadn't found anyone when they'd"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "gone through the house. So, they're both"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "equally confused by this. And the sounds"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "actually worried Phil enough that he"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "kept a box of matches in his pocket. So,"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "now around 4 in the morning, the noises"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "started up again. Only now, they were"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "inside the room where he and Jimmy were"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "sleeping. And at this point, everything"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "was completely silent. And so Phil lit a"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "candle and it went flying across the"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "room as though somebody had kicked it."}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "And so he lit another one, holding this"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "one as tight as he could. And as it"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "caught, he could see that nobody else"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "was in the room. But the books on the"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "shelves were flapping. And the movement"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "went from one shelf to the next, higher"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "and higher toward the ceiling with some"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "of the books falling to the floor. And"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "then came the footsteps overhead again."}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "Now, [clears throat] Phil could hear"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "them in a corner of the upstairs room"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "and then on the spiral staircase just"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "outside the living room. And the bottom"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "of that staircase was immediately behind"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "their door. Phil actually described the"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "steps coming down casually one after"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "another all the way to the bottom. And"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "by the time the sound had reached him,"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "he was standing at the door with an ice"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "axe. And so he swung the door open with"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "the axe above his head, ready to strike."}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "And there was nobody there. So confused"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "by everything that's happened, he put"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "the axe down and he slammed the door"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "shut and then he heard the footsteps go"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "straight back up the spiral staircase,"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "reached the upper floor and move across"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "the bedroom overhead. Now after those"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "events, Phil and Jimmy decided they"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "weren't going to venture into the rest"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "of the house. They packed their gear,"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "they climbed out to the living room"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "window, [music] and once they were"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "outside, they shone their light up at"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "the window of the room above, and the"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "green curtains were in fact closed. Now,"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "this event had shaken them both so much"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "that Phil actually slept with the lights"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "on for like 6 [music] months and became"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "increasingly paranoid and even afraid of"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "going places on his own. When detailing"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "this account, he would later describe"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "that there was some sort of presence"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "following him. And around this time in"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "his life, he was sharing a flat in"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "Glasgow. There was a small door in the"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "kitchen that led through a passage to"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "some sort of subb. And after Labelt, he"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "began to wonder whether something was"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "down there. What's interesting is he"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "also found a hidden trap door beneath a"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "carpet and [music] a cross made from old"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "newspapers. There were markings that he"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "thought might be blood stains. And so"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "during [music] these discoveries, he"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "said that a light bulb fell from its"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "fitting and smashed. Now these of course"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "were separate events that happened after"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "the Louisabel thing, but I can't help"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "but wonder if there's some sort of"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "connection. If there is a connection,"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "this is like a classic case of the"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "hitchhiker effect, which for those that"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "don't know, it's when an experiencer has"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "something follow them back home. Don't"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "mind this fly, by the way. It's when you"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "have an experiencer who is followed home"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "by an entity or something. That's"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "probably the most dumbed down, watered"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "down explanation. But for Phil, who"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "already felt like he was being followed,"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "going back to the safety of his home did"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "not end that feeling. In fact, he came"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "to feel that he had to return to the"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "house and confront [music] it. And so,"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "in the summertime, Phil actually went"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "back with Jimmy. And this [music] time,"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "they brought a man named David Gracie."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "Now, David Gracie believed the [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "story that Phil and Jim had told them,"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "but he didn't really believe the"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "supernatural spooky side of what they"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "had told him. [music] To him, there was"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "a very rational explanation for what"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "they experienced. It's an old house. It"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "caks, [music] you know, they were"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "paranoid. All of that. So when they got"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "there, their plan [music] was to stay"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "the night and, you know, confront it."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "And so the night began normally, but"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "after they blew up the candles, they"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "happened to hear a noise coming [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "from the direction of the river. And"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "there's a gravel path that led from"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "there up from the house. Now, this"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "sound, mind you, was different from the"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "ones that one night when they were"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "there, the footsteps. And so Phil"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "actually compared it to somebody"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "dragging this plastic sack full of"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "rubble along the path. and he hadn't"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "seen a sack. That was how he described"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "what he could hear. And so the noise"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "grew louder as it approached and then it"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "just stopped outside. Obviously, they're"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "all confused. And so when Phil next"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "heard it, it was inside on the other"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "side of the door to the room. Now,"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "what's really interesting is on this"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "night, he actually challenged whatever"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "was in the house by clenching his fist"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "and leaving his thumb and his little"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "finger extended. and he actually held"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "out his hand which cast a huge shadow on"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "the ceiling. And he kind of meant it as"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "a challenge to whatever he believed was"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "there. For some reason, the sound began"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "to move away when he did this. And he"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "described hearing it receding back"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "toward the river. But bizarrely, he"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "couldn't explain what had prompted this"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "hand signal. It might just be a very"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "bizarre coincidence. But interestingly,"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "Phil kept returning to the area. And in"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "fact, in a later account, he remembered"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "seeing warning graffiti on Louisa belts"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "on a visit that he dated to 1975. And on"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "that trip, his own group stayed at"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "Myanac across the river. He'd even made"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "a sixth visit there in late August of"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "2021. And that December, folks, he told"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "his story to Danny Robbins for the BBC"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "series Uncanny, and he discussed it"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "himself on the UK Hill Walking Forum."}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "His post and the published recaps of the"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "program are where this account comes"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "from. and it's how we all know about it."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": ">> I swing open the door with iceax over my"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "head and there's nothing."}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": ">> Of course, they're different tellings of"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "Phil's experiences rather than separate"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "witnesses describing the same night. But"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "by then, Phil had already lost contact"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "with Jimmy, and we don't have a"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "separately recorded account from [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "Jimmy or David that explains any of the"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "noises. The dates also differ between"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "versions. [music] February of 1973 in"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "Phil's own recollection and there was"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "another contributor on the forum Ian"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "thou remembered an uneventful stay in"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "June of 1979. Now he had already known"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "the story in the late [music] '7s but"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "his quiet night was a separate visit"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "which was years after Phil's. And so"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "when the story was eventually discussed"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "on Uncanny, [music] it was proposed to"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "him that it was nothing more than the"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "cold and the fatigue that was [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "affecting his perception or you know"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "that or other people were actually"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "entering the house and messing with him."}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "But in January of 2022, an update"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "returned to the question of those who"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "had lived there. Danny Robbins relayed"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "an account from an email reportedly sent"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "to Phil by a neighbor of the family."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "Now, according to that, a couple had"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "been trying to raise their family in"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "this very remote house without"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "electricity or heating and another baby"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "was born around Christmas. [music] And"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "so, a local doctor came out. He told the"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "parents they had to leave for the family"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "safety or the child would be taken from"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "them. That intervention was the"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "explanation given [music] for their"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "departure. Now, the original email"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "wasn't available to verify and neither"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "were the medical or tenency [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "records. But if it was accurate, the"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "empty house in the Christmas table had a"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "explanation and it could explain why"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "Phil and Jimmy found a home with nobody"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "in it. But the biggest issue is it still"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "doesn't tell us who or [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "what Phil had heard coming down the"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "stairs. And because you guys made it"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "[music] this far, I want you to all"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "comment down below Ben Nevice. So that"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "way I know who made it to the end and"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "who didn't. And if you guys enjoy"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "content like this where we deep dive"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "into strange [music] cases of the"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "mysterious and supernatural, what are"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "you waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "content just like this. And as always, I"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "love you [music] all. Keep an open mind"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "and I'll see you guys in the very next"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "episode."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "All dead but me. Those words were carved"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "into a stone. The writer claimed he had"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "no food, no gun, and was being hunted."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "But we still don't know who actually"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "carved it and why. You won't want to"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "miss this one. In early June of 1872,"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "right near Meredith Village, New"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "Hampshire, a group of laborers were"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "digging fence post holes. They had"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "already dug a few dozen, and some of the"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "men were ready for a break. But one man"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "wanted to finish the hole in front of"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "him first. Otherwise, he'd come back and"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "still have to deal with the same"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "halffinish job. So, he drove his shovel"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "into the ground again. But this time, he"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "hit something hard. And so, he pulled"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "the shovel out. He looked down into the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "hole and whatever he had hit was right"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "where he needed to put the post. So, now"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "he had to get that out, too. And so he"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "cleared away the loose dirt and he found"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "this hard lump of clay a few feet below"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "the surface. His shovel had cracked one"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "side of it. But through that crack, he"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "could see something smooth. He brushed a"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "little more dirt away. And even though"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "there wasn't much showing, the surface"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "underneath was so different from the"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "rough clay around it that he wanted a"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "better look. And then he looked at the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "crack again and a thought occurred to"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "him. Had he just broken whatever was"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "inside? He began clearing around the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "lump, giving himself room to get it out"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "without hitting it again. And the other"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "men helped, and once they had it out of"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "the hole, he turned it in his hands,"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "looking for a place where the coating"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "would come away. He worked a thumbnail"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "under the edge of the crack. A little"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "clay flaked off, but most of it stayed"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "put. And he tried another spot. Whatever"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "they found was still buried inside this"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "hard coating, and he didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "start chipping at it when he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "see what he was chipping toward. So the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "men carried it down to the shoreline and"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "they put it in the water. And then as"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "water came over it, the clay softened"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "and he could actually rub it away with"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "his thumb. Brown water ran between his"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "fingers and there's this patch of dark"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "greenish black the stone that appeared."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "And so he kept rinsing it and rinsing it"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "and he could see that as the clay was"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "leaving the object, it was rounded and"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "about the size and shape of a goose egg."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "And so then he turned it toward himself"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "and he uncovered a face and he could see"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "in the object that there were eyes and a"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "very broad nose that was carved into the"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "stone. And so he held it closer, looked"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "at it intensely, and you know, water's"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "dripping off of it. And he's thinking"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "that somebody clearly went through a lot"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "of effort to make this. And so he turned"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "it a little farther, washing away the"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "clay around another picture, and he"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "realized that he was looking at an ear"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "of corn. The carving was so detailed"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "that he could actually count the"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "individual kernels. 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But the more he"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "looked, there were more carvings around"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "the sides. There was also a small"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "opening at one end and another at the"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "other end. And there was a hole that ran"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "all the way through the object. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "somebody clearly had shaped it, polished"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "it, carved into it, and then drilled"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "through the middle. This was strange,"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "but he kept turning it just trying to"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "picture what would you actually do with"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "something like this, and why? Would you"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "put it on something? Would you hang it?"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "I mean, he didn't know. And it turns out"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "that this very stone became more"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "famously known as the Lake Winnipegasi"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "mystery stone. It eventually reached a"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "local collector named Senica Lad."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "Although the accounts differ on exactly"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "how he came into it, he added it to the"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "collection that he displayed at his"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "bank. And one of the leading ideas was"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "that it was a Native American artifact."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "People could recognize some of the"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "pictures and they could point to the"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "face or the corn, but nobody could"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "really establish what any of the"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "pictures meant together or why somebody"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "had put them on this particular object."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "By 1994, more than 120 years after the"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "reported discovery, archaeologist"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Richard Boycevert and Doug Dickinson"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "were busy examining the stone. And this"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "time they were going to look somewhere"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "that those workers couldn't easily see"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "inside. So they used an instrument"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "called a boroscope to inspect the narrow"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "passage through the stone. Richard had"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "examined prehistoric drilling before. So"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "this gave him something more useful than"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "just another interpretation of the"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "pictures. And he could look for traces"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "of the tool that had made it. When"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "somebody drilled by hand, the tool could"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "wobble or wander slightly. you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "there would be small irregularities,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "even if outside the object had been very"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "carefully finished. Those were the kinds"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "of details that Richard knew to look"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "for. But as he and Doug examined this,"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "they weren't finding any variations that"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "they expected. In fact, the stone had"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "been drilled from both ends, and the"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "work was pretty regular. Richard wasn't"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "seeing inconsistencies that he would"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "normally associate with drilling,"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "specifically drilling done centuries"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "earlier. To him, this looked much"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "cleaner and it looked a lot more like"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "work done with the 19th or 20th century"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "power drill. What's more interesting is"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "that there were also scratches inside"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "the lower part of the hole, which"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "suggests that the stone had been mounted"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "on a metal shaft and taken off"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "repeatedly. Now, there was another way"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "to picture it. That little carved object"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "might have once fitted onto something"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "else. I mean, somebody could have known"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "exactly where it belonged and what to do"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "with it. But without knowing what that"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "something else was, the marks did not"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "explain what the stone had been used"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "for. And in fact, the examination hadn't"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "given Richard a maker or an exact date."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "It hadn't established whether this was"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "an object with a forgotten purpose or"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "something deliberately made to pass for"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "an ancient relic. I mean, even with the"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "way to look inside, he still couldn't"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "settle what it was for. So, was the"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "stone once part of something that would"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "make its purpose obvious? Or had"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "somebody put all that work into making"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "an object that would leave people"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "searching for a meaning? Unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "to this very day, nobody has the answer."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "On March 14th of 1887, Lewis and his"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "brother were making their way up the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "western side of Lookout Mountain in what"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "was then the Dakota Territory. They"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "needed sandstone for a building project"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "on their property and one of them knew"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "they could find it up here. So Lois sat"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "down and pulled his boot halfway off and"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "his sock had kind of slipped under his"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "heel and he'd been walking on the same"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "uncomfortable fold for the last part of"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "the climb. So he tugged it straight and"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "he pushed his foot back in. But his"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "brother was still standing. So Lewis"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "took his time getting the boot"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "comfortable. And if they were going to"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "keep walking, he really wanted to get"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "this sorted out. Now, once they got back"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "to looking for stone, Lewis noted"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "something on one of the slabs. There"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "were marks that were cut into it. Now,"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "most of the surface was dirty, but he"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "could make out enough to see that"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "somebody had clearly written on it. And"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "so, he crouched down and he brushed at"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "the dirt with his thumb. There were"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "letters underneath it. And as he leaned"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "in, there were three words that became"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "clear. Indians hunting me. So he called"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "over his brother and he pointed to the"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "words. And then he rubbed at the writing"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "that was beside them. The person who'"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "left this was saying somebody was after"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "him. But who was he? 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So, he rubbed it"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "another patch of dirt with his thumb,"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "and then he eased off around the"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "lettering. He didn't want to damage it"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "before he'd even found out what he had."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "He needed to get it home and clean it"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "properly. So, Lewis brought the slab"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "home and he began cleaning it. It was"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "roughly 10 in x 8, small enough that he"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "could turn it in his hands while he"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "worked. And he wet a cloth and he wiped"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "it across the surface. And then he"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "folded the dirty part inward to give"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "himself a clean piece to work with. Now"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "gradually he could follow whole lines of"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "writing across one side. The message"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "began. Came to these hills in 1833."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "Seven of us. Below that was a list of"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "names. Lewis worked his way through"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "them, including one man named Ezra Kind."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "And a little further down, he found"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "Ezra's name again. All dead but me, Ezra"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "Kind. So Lewis went back to the list and"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "he counted the names. He had just read"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "seven of them. And now one of those men"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "was saying the other six were dead. And"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "so he read that they'd been killed"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "beyond a high hill. And then underneath"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "that there was another line. got our"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "gold. June 1834"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "gold. So Lewis looked over the rest of"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "the slab and he wanted to know how these"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "men had gone from finding gold and"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "treasure to leaving one man alone"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "writing that somebody was hunting him."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Now there was more writing on the other"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "side. So he turned it over and he worked"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "the cloth across that too. The message"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "said that they'd found all the gold they"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "could carry, but their ponies had been"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "taken. And by the time that Lewis"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "reached the last line, he'd stopped"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "wiping. He was reading with the dirty"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "cloth still bunched in his hand. I have"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "lost my gun and nothing to eat and"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Indians hunting me. There were those"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "three words again. And so he went back"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "to the part about the gun without it."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "What was Ezra supposed to do if they"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "found him? And so he turned the stone"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "back over and he checked the lines he'd"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "already read, looking for something that"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "he'd possibly missed. He wanted another"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "sentence, something saying where Ezra"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "had gone or whether he'd found somebody"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "who could actually help. But the message"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "ended with him still in trouble. Now"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Lewis checked the dates again. It was"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "indeed 1887."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "But if those dates were genuine, then"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "the story he was reading had started"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "more than 50 years earlier. I mean, he"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "can get all the dirt off the stone and"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "read every word, and it still wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "tell him whether Ezra had ever made a"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "home. He'd been thinking about what"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "somebody might pay for this lab. Now, he"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "also wanted to find somebody who could"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "tell him about this man who was on it."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "And before long, the stone was on"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "display in a store in Spearfish. Lewis"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "and the store owner began selling"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "photographic postcards of it. People"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "could buy a picture of the writing and"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "take it away with them. So, he really"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "liked that idea. I mean, he could make"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "some money from the discovery and the"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "story could go farther than he could"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "carry the stone himself. Somebody could"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "show one of those pictures to somebody"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "who'd never been anywhere near Lookout"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "Mountain."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "Maybe, just maybe, they'd recognize one"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "of the names. Maybe they know what"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "happened to Ezra. But some were much"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "more interested in Lewis because he was"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "a stonemason. He knew how to cut stone."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "And to people who were skeptical about"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "what was written on it, that meant that"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "the man who found this strange"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "inscription was also somebody with the"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "skills to make it. Now, Lewis had wanted"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "people to get excited about this. He'd"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "even imagine showing them the words and"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "watching them read and seeing them just"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "get caught up in it as he did. But he"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "hadn't pictured himself having to"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "convince them that he'd actually found"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "it on the mountain. Lewis continued to"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "insist the discovery was real, as did"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "his brother. And in fact, both defended"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "the stone's authenticity for the rest of"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "their lives. In fact, long after they"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "were gone in the 2000s, two handwriting"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "experts actually compared the carved"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "script with handwriting on postcards."}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "They concluded it did not match either"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "brother or the store owner. Now, that"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "really challenged the idea that one of"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "those men had written it, but a"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "handwriting comparison couldn't tell you"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "when they had been carved or whether the"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "events they described had happened. And"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "it couldn't finish Ezra's story. Had"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "Lewis found the last message of a man"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "who never made it out of those hills, or"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "had somebody simply carved a story they"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "knew another person would want to"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "believe? Unfortunately, we'll never know"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "the truth. Sometime in the early 20th"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "century, a young archaeologist at the"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "University of New Mexico named Frank"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "Hibben was being taken out by a local"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "guide to a hidden mountain right near"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "Los Lunas, which is south of"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "Albuquerque. There was something out"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "there that this man wanted him to look"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "at. He thought Frank might find it very"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "interesting and he really just wanted"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "his opinion. So Frank was riding the"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "desert on a mule trying to get"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "comfortable. And every time he shifted"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "in the saddle, it kind of hurt his"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "groin. And so he lift himself a little"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "and, you know, move to one side and"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "settle back down only to feel the next"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "step right through his backside. At the"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "time, his mouth was dry. And when he ran"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "his tongue over his teeth, he could"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "feel, you know, that grittiness. It kind"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "of feels like you you haven't brushed"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "your teeth and he really wanted a drink"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "and a chance to straighten his legs. And"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "so by the time they reached the"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "mountain, both men were exhausted. Frank"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "eased himself off the mule and he stood"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "with his feet apart, letting his legs"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "get used to actually holding him up"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "again. And then he looked up. There was"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "still a mountain in front of him. And so"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "he followed the slope with his eyes and"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "he'd been looking forward to getting off"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "that mule. And now it seemed like the"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "next part was going to be worse. And so"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "he wanted to see whatever the guide had"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "brought him to see. He just really wish"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "the man had picked something closer to"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "where they were standing. And so, you"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "know, he basically told him, \"Look, I"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "don't know if I can make it all the way"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "up there. Like, that's a really long"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "way. I'm already exhausted.\" And the guy"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "didn't say anything. He just got down"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "from his mule and he kind of laughed at"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "him and he explained to Frank, he's"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "like, \"Look, don't worry.\" And then he"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "pointed toward the base of the mountain."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "Now, where he was pointing, there was"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "this huge boulder right beside the path"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "leading up. That was what he had brought"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "Frank to see. And so, you know, Frank"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "let his shoulders drop, walking over to"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "a rock that he could manage. And as he"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "approached, he noticed that part of its"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "lower face was lighter than the rest."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "Now, while this was happening, the guide"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "stayed back and Frank just got closer."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "And when he got up to it, he put his"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "hand on his knee and he bent down to"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "look. The lighter area appeared to have"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "been chiseled flat. And stranger is that"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "there was writing on it. In fact, there"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "were nine lines that had been carved"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "into the surface. In Frank's account,"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "lychen and a mineral crust cover the"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "letters so heavily that they were barely"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "visible. And so he lowered his head just"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "a little further trying to follow where"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "one letter ended and the next began."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "He'd pick out a few, hold them in his"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "head, and then look along the same line"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "for the next part. Now, at first, he"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "kind of thought he recognized an ancient"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "form of Hebrew writing. This is known as"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "PaleoHebrew."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "So, he began working out what it said."}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "And from what he could read, the opening"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "identified God as the one who had"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "brought his people out of Egypt. And"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "then Frank was reading prohibitions"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "against murder, adultery, and theft."}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "Folks, it didn't take him long to"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "realize he was looking at an abbreviated"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "version of the Ten Commandments. So, not"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "really sure what to make of this, he"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "went back to the opening and he really"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "wanted to be sure before he let himself"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "get carried away. even though he"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "recognized quite a few of the letters,"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "he wasn't quite ready to tell the man"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "behind him that, you know, you brought"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "me out here to a Hebrew scripture carved"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "into a boulder in New Mexico. So, you"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "know, he worked through the words about"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "Egypt again and then followed the"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "writing farther along, but it kept"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "bringing him back to the same message."}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "Now, Frank was already thinking about"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "going back to the university and simply"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "telling somebody what he had seen. I"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "mean, he he'd have to explain where it"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "was because that was the part they were"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "going to want to hear again. If this"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "writing was ancient, people carrying"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "Hebrew scripture had reached this place"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "long before, you know, anyone we know,"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "which a lot of people say is Columbus,"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "but was he really? No, I don't think so."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "I mean, at the time, Frank was only in"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "his 20s, and he was already imagining"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "just having his name attached to a"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "discovery this big. So he shifted his"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "weight to take some pressure off and he"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "kept his eyes on the writing. Now that"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "boulder became known as the Los Lunis"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "decalog stone and Frank came away"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "believing that he had seen something"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "truly ancient. But decades later he was"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "still telling people about it. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "in a 1996 interview when he was 86 years"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "old, he was back to explaining that trip"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "to another person. And Frank pointed to"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "something that the man had told him. You"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "see, the guide had claimed he'd first"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "seen the carving as a boy back in the"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "1880s. But for Frank, that childhood"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "memory mattered because he believed the"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "ancient alphabet would have been unknown"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "then. I mean, if the writing had already"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "been there before a modern person could"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "have learned those letters, how could it"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "be a modern fake? But try to check that"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "memory. And well, there's a problem with"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "that because the guide was never named."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "There was no earlier written record"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "placing the inscription there in his"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "childhood. And in fact, the first"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "recorded mention was in 1933, and the"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "story about the 1880s came through"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "Frank. And if he'd remembered it"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "correctly, the alphabet wasn't actually"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "unknown in the 1880s. That's because"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "scholars knew the script by 1870 at the"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "latest, which means a person living then"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "could have learned enough to simply copy"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "the letters. The guide could have been"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "telling the truth about seeing the"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "carving, and the carving could still"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "have been a recent addition to the rock."}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "Now, critics also found a problem with"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "the actual writing because letters from"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "different alphabets and different"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "periods appeared to have been kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "mixed together. I mean, to them, it"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "looked like somebody had clearly"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "collected ancientlooking characters to"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "make an inscription rather than it being"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "written naturally. Regardless though,"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "Frank remained convinced. And when he"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "died in 2002, he still believed the"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "inscription was ancient. Unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "in April of 2006, Vandals destroyed the"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "entirety of the first line. But it makes"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "you wonder, had someone brought those"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "commandments across an ocean and left"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "them here, or had somebody just learned"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "enough about the past to make another"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "person think they had? Well,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "unfortunately, it remains a mystery. And"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "because you guys made it this far, I"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "want you to all comment down below"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "mystery stones. So that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. 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He says there are"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "two of them outside, one at each window."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "He's on the floor with his dog, begging"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "the dispatcher to stay on the line until"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "the police get there."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Stay on the line"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "with the police."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> You won't want to miss"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> this one."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "One night in 2014, a 911 dispatcher in"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Knox County, Ohio answered a call and"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "heard a man yelling over a barking dog."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "The dispatcher kept trying to find out"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "what was going on, but the man would"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "break off and start shouting at somebody"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "away from the phone. 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And the"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "dispatcher was trying to pick out what"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "the man was saying while the dog kept"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "barking, and all this noise was coming"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "through the phone. So he kept bringing"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "him back to the same question. What he"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "was basically asking was, \"Where are"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "you? Where do I need to send"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "reinforcements?\" Well, reinforcements,"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "police officers, you know what I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "saying. He needed to get that answer"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "while he still had the man talking to"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "him. Eventually, he was able to piece"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "together the address and he found the"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "property at the end of a very long back"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "road right near the river. And so he"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "started getting officers out there, but"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "the caller kept turning away from the"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "conversation to yell at whoever was"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "outside trying to get them to leave him"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "alone. The caller was Jerry Klein. He"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "was alone with his dog, Bug, in a black"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "cargo trailer that he had converted into"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "a camper. [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "There was a cot inside and a window on"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "either side. You see, earlier that"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "evening, Jerry had been sitting by a"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "campfire. By about 9:00, he'd gone"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "inside and settled down on the cot with"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Bug there in the camper. And he"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "stretched his legs out and he shifted"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "around until he found a very comfortable"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "way to lie in, and he could stop moving"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "for a while with the dog nearby, and he"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "let himself relax and go to sleep. But"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "when he checked his phone after the"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "rocking began, it was 10:00. And now he"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "[music] was trying to keep his balance"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "in the little camper and get somebody on"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "the phone to understand what was"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "happening. Jerry was making plenty of"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "noise himself, obviously, and he later"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "explained that much of the pounding on"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "the call was him hitting the walls from"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "the inside trying to drive away whoever"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "was out there. He'd bang against the"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "trailer and he'd yell, and then he'd try"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "to get back to the dispatcher's [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "questions, but the rocking continued."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Now, he really wanted to pay attention"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "to the voice on the phone. That was the"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "person who could get help down to him,"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "but it was hard to stay with the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "question while the camper was moving and"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "he was [music] watching the windows. You"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "know, he would get part of an answer out"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "and then his attention would immediately"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "go back outside and he'd start yelling"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "again. And at one point, a long stretch"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "of pounding came through the phone"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "followed by Jerry screaming. But then he"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "went quiet. The dispatcher just called"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "out to make sure he was still there, and"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "he answered, and he [music] was still"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "inside alone with Bug. And the trailer"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "had come very close to tipping over."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Now, there was something else he needed"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "the dispatcher to understand. He'd"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "forgotten his shotgun. You see, Jerry"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "wasn't armed, and he wanted the"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "dispatcher to be aware of that. Whoever"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "came down to help him wouldn't have to"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "worry about him having a weapon. Then"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "his voice dropped and he went from"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "shouting through the windows to asking"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "the dispatcher, [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "\"Can you please just get me out of"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "here?\" He was obviously very, very"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "distressed by the situation. He was"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "sobbing and he kept thinking about the"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "trailer going over onto the side with"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "the door and what that would mean while"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "he was still inside. In that moment, all"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "he could think about was just that if"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "this trailer tips over, there's no way"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "I'm getting out of here. I'm I'm going"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "to be stuck and"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> these people outside are going to get"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "me. And it was kind of a conundrum, too,"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "because if he went outside, then he"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "would be vulnerable and whoever these"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "people were outside [music] trying to"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "get in would obviously get him. But"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "staying in the trailer wasn't good"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "either because he was going to get"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "tipped over. I mean, this was just It"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "was not a good situation. [music] So,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Jerry stayed down on the floor with the"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "phone. Bug had been hiding under the cot"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "and at another point, [music] he was"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "crawling over Jerry, pressing against"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "his chest, whining and whimpering. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "Jerry brought an arm around him and"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "tried to get him settled there while"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "keeping the phone up to his ear. But"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "with Bug moving against him, Jerry had"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "to keep adjusting how he was sitting."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "You know, he'd shift the dog closer and"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "then bring [music] the phone back up"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "against his ear so he could catch what"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "the dispatcher was saying. He wanted to"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "hold onto Bug and listen, but he kept"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "looking up toward the windows and the"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "entire time he's just thinking, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "gosh, just stay down here with me,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "please.\" You know, he tried to keep a"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "hand on the dog and he would bring"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "[music] his voice down when he spoke to"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "him, but it was hard to sound calm while"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "he was watching for, [music] you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "these people at the glass. He would do"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "his best to reassure Bug, but then his"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "attention would be brought back outside"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "the window. The dispatcher just told him"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "that there were three officers coming"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "and called him buddy. He's like, \"Jerry,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "stay on the line with me, please."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "Everything's going to be okay.\" And"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "Jerry just did his best to slow his"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "breathing and to get the next answer"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "out. [music] He didn't want to miss"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "where the officers were or what he"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "needed to tell them. Now, the dispatcher"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "could see that the long lane on his map,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "the one that the police were going down,"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "is [music] exactly what Jerry confirmed"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "as the way in. There wasn't a closed"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "gate keeping anybody out. They could"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "easily come right down the road and get"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "to him. And while all of this is going"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "on, the dispatcher is asking Jerry, \"Do"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "you see the car lights yet? Do you see"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "the lights yet?\" And you know, Jerry"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "tried to look. He wanted to be able to"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "say yes because"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> then he would at least know that"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "somebody was getting close. But from"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "where his from his vantage point, he"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "couldn't see any lights. But instead,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "one of the people outside began looking"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "in the window at Jerry and he just"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "started screaming. And he's telling the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "dispatcher, \"Get them down here. There's"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "There's They're right outside my"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "window.\" And you know, of course, Bug"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "was cowering beneath the cot again and"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "Jerry kept telling him how frightened"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "his dog was. Now, the dispatcher, trying"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "to do his best [music] job of"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "de-escalating the situation, suggested"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "that Bug was probably scared because of"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "all the yelling by Jerry, but he didn't"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "really respond to that. He just wanted"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "somebody down there right now and he"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "[music] wanted somebody with a"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "high-powered rifle. And by this point,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "he was actually describing to the"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "dispatcher each of the people that were"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "outside his trailer. When he turned away"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "from one side, there was still the other"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "window to worry about. He could keep his"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "eyes on one of them, but that meant"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "taking his attention off the other side."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "And while all of this chaos is"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "happening, the trailer kept rocking back"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "and forth around him. And then suddenly,"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "a report came over the radio that the"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "officers had reached the property and"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "could see the camper. And during this,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "there was a very audible, but quiet, \"Oh"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "my god.\" The dispatcher never learned"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "what prompted it. One of the officers"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "had clearly saw something that"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "frightened them. But even though they"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "were pretty much there, he still"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "couldn't see their headlights. He was"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "still down on the floor with the phone"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "waiting for them [music] to come through"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "the dark and he kept coming back to the"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "same problem. He was being told that"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "help was there, but he couldn't see it."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "Four more loud bangs came over the line"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "and Jerry started screaming [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "again that these people were looking in"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "the windows at him. And so, the"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "dispatcher just asked whether it could"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "be the officers because they're there."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "They're there to help. But Jerry said,"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "\"No. There weren't any headlights"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "outside as far as he [music] could see."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "It was still dark.\" And then, the"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "dispatcher told him the officers were"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "actually walking back along the path."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "Jerry didn't believe it though because"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "there was a lower drive they could take."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "It was gravel. It was maintained and it"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "was wide enough to drive down. And he"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "kept arguing with the dispatcher. He's"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "like, \"Why are they walking? Tell them"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "to take the lower drive. It's gravel. I"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "drove my Camaro down there. What are"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "they doing?\" And so, they're arguing"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "about which road to take and how to get"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "there and it was just it was a mess. And"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "[music] then, one of the people outside,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "their faces appeared again and the"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "instant Jerry looked out, they looked"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "straight back at him [music] and he"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "started screaming. There were still two"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "of these people outside. Of course, Bug"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "was whimpering and crying still and"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Jerry, he just couldn't see the help he"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "kept being told was coming. But finally,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "after probably what felt like hours for"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "Jerry, he finally saw [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "headlights. And he just began thanking"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "God. Thank God. He could see the lights"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "[music] coming and in his account, the"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "rocking came to a stop the instant the"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "lights [music] came to view. The"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "officers were reaching the camper and"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "after nearly half an hour on the phone,"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "Jerry could finally [music] tell the"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "dispatcher he saw them coming. He kept"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "looking at the lights, letting himself"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "[music] believe that somebody was"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "actually going to get him out of there."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "And the dispatcher began [music] asking"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "about the two people outside. Where were"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "they? If the police were there, I mean,"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "surely they should be close by."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "that's when Jerry corrected him. He"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "said, \"No. No. Not two people."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "Two Bigfoot. They about knocked over my"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "darn trailer.\" Jerry had already"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "identified them as Bigfoot earlier in"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "the call, and [music] he'd come to that"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "property hoping to record them. Jerry"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "did Bigfoot research. Before going to"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "bed, he'd left a cheap cassette [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "recorder and microphone at a pavilion"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "right near the trailer. The property"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "belonged to a gun [music] club he was"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "part of, and he also used it as a base"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "for his gold dredging. He lived about 10"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "minutes away in Mount Vernon, but he"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "brought the camper [music] back to this"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "spot to try and capture their sounds."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "Earlier that night, he'd heard clicks"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "and animal noises and initially assumed"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "a bear was outside, and so he'd gone"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "back to sleep only to wake [music] to"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "the trailer rocking hard. And during the"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "call, low sounds could also be heard"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "beneath the pounding, but the dispatcher"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "was unable to tell whether they came"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "from bug or from outside. The dispatcher"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "had asked if it could be people messing"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "with him, and Jerry had said no. And he"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "described what the faces were that"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "looked at him, that they had red eyes"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "and they were watching outside the"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "west-facing window. He'd been bringing"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "up his flashlight up toward the glass"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "and he could see the eyes reflected. And"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "the windows on this specific converted"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "cargo trailer were well over 8-ft high."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "Jerry couldn't even reach their tops"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "even standing on his toes. Now, in his"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "later description, he explained that the"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "eyes were so far apart that he saw one"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "past the narrow window opening before"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "the other crossed back. He believed that"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the two figures were gripping high on"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "the trailer and rocking it with their"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "palms against the sides. But the reason"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "he thought he recognized what was at the"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "windows went back to the last weekend of"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "August of 2013. You see, that night,"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "Jerry had been getting ready for a gold"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "rush event in Butler, Ohio. He was"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "[music] a former logger who had worked"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "in Maine before moving back to Ohio, and"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "he had a new cargo trailer that he'd"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "converted just for camping. [music] A"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "log had rolled out of his campfire, so"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "he was staying up beside it to keep an"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "eye on the flames. [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "He settled back in his chair and he"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "stretched his legs out. He was ready to"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "turn in. He was tired, but he didn't"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "want to leave the fire with that log out"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "of place. So, he just sat there watching"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "it and he could rest where he was and"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "for a little while it was perfect. And"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "then he'd lean forward to check on the"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "log again before sitting back and making"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "himself comfortable. And then about 1:30"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "in the morning, he heard the snap that"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "was right across the river. It was like"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "a limb breaking. And then he heard"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "something coming down the bank and"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "splashing in the water. Now, at the"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "time, he figured that this was just a"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "large buck that was crossing the river"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "and he was like, \"You know what? I'm not"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "even going to be concerned.\" But, just"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "to, you know, be on the safe side, he"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "lifted his 6-V lantern to take a look"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "and that beam caught a figure [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "that was standing perfectly still. One"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "leg was forward and the other was behind"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "it as though he caught it in the middle"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "of a step. It's arms hung down with its"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "hands [music] below its knees. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "Jerry had raised the light expecting to"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "see a deer and now he was looking at"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "this upright [music] figure that wasn't"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "moving. He could see a beard without a"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "mustache and a nose flattened between"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "the eyes. Its eyes reflected the light"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "back red. He was trying to [music] take"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "in its face, but his lantern dropped and"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "as the beam moved away, the red"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "reflection vanished. Thinking he needed"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "to see this [music] again, he brought"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "the lantern straight back up because he"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "couldn't believe the situation and when"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "the beam of light reached [music] its"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "face, the figure looked at him and"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "curled its upper lip. Jerry saw blocky,"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "[music] human-like teeth. There were no"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "fangs. Completely terrorized by this, he"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "ran. He reached the trailer. He hit his"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "forehead on the low aluminum door frame"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "and he scrambled in. He didn't even"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "register that he was bleeding. That"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "night though, he did have a shotgun and"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "he went to get it loaded. He wanted the"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "gun ready, but part of his attention was"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "still outside. He was listening for"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "something coming up to the camper while"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "he worked. Once it was loaded, he sat"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "down in the dark and kept it across him."}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "Now, Bug, of course, had slept through"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "the entire thing, [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "and Jerry looked over at him and tried"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "to take some comfort from that. So, he"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "shifted his legs, moved the shotgun with"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "him, and settled his hands around it"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "again. He wanted to get comfortable,"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "[music] at least enough to rest. But,"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "when he tried to ease back, his"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "attention went toward the outside of the"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "trailer again. For him, he's like, \"You"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "know what? I'm staying right here. I can"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "look while I have light. This is safe.\""}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "And so, he kept the gun across his legs,"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "and you know, part of him really wanted"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "to go to the door and find out whether"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "this thing was still there, but that"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "would, of course, mean looking out into"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "the dark that he had just come from. And"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "he wasn't ready to do that. So, he"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "stayed where he was, and he just"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "listened. But, he heard nothing more"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "that night. Now, by morning, he had"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "dried blood in his hair and a pillow"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "that was soaked with it. He looked at"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "the pillow, and then cautiously put a"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "hand up to the place he'd hit, and he"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "could feel dried blood caught in his"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "hair. Now, he wanted to get out and see"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "the camp. So, he picked up the shotgun,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "and he went to the door with it, but"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "when he got there, he slowed down. He"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "realized that opening it was going to"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "mean looking out at the place he'd run"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "from. But, he knew he had to do it, so"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "he reached for the lock, and he unlocked"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "it. And he kept the shotgun with him as"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "he pushed the latch, but held back from"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "the doorway. He wanted to see outside"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "without putting his face into the"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "opening. And he slowly brought the"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "barrel forward and used it to nudge the"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "door open. And he watched the opening"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "widen, keeping himself back while trying"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "to see out. And once he'd got the door"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "open far enough, he moved up to it with"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "the gun, and he cautiously stepped"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "outside. An Ohio researcher named Doug"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "Waller came out the day after Jerry had"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "contacted him. Jerry showed him where"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "the figure [music] had stood on the"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "gravel bar, and he pointed out an"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "overhanging limb that he remembered"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "being level with it. And so, Waller used"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "a measuring stick to check the height."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "Now, from Jerry's description and that"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "comparison, they put its height at 9 to"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "10 ft. Now, during the 911 call in 2014,"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "Jerry told the dispatcher that the eyes"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "at the window were just like the [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "ones I had seen last August. But, while"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "he was waiting for the officers, the"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "dispatcher had also asked whether he'd"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "ever stay back there again. Jerry's"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "answer was simple, \"Oh, hell no. I'm"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "done.\" Once the officers reached the"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "camper and the call ended, Jerry started"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "putting on his shoes. Now, this next"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "part comes from Jerry's later account of"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "their visit. He recalled [music] two"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "cars and six officers, along with a"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "natural resources officer who had been"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "picked up on the way. [music] So, Jerry"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "bent down to get his shoes on. He was"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "still hurrying, trying to get himself"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "ready to go outside, but [music] now"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "there were people there to meet him. And"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "while he was doing that, a deputy went"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "behind the trailer and reacted to"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "something on the ground. Bug had been"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "digging around an old stump that"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "weekend, and Jerry had kept filling the"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "holes back in. So, [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "you know, there was fresh loose dirt"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "beside the camper. And in that dirt, on"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "the side Jerry said had taken the worst"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "of the shaking,"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": ">> was a footprint measuring 17 in long."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "The officers shown their lights along"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "the trailer, [music] and there were two"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "dirty palm prints on the side, including"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "one right up at the top rim, with finger"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "marks that were curling over the edge."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "The other was between the windows. Now,"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "the officers, of course, wanted to check"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "[music] on Jerry and just see how he was"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "doing. Now, he had just put his shoes"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "on, but now they had him take [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "them straight back off, along with his"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "socks, to check his bare feet, because,"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "you know, what [music] if he was the one"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "making the footprints? So, then they"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "compared his size with the footprint"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "beside his camper, [music] but"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "obviously, you know, his feet were"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "clean, they were too small, there was no"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "match. Then they checked his hands,"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "those were clean, too. And so, they"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "realized, well, there's still that"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "handprint up at the rim. And they were"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "like, \"Well, maybe Jerry could have"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "reached up there, [music] you know,"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "maybe he's pranking us and this is a"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "hoax. But, they realized, after having"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "Jerry try to demonstrate it to them, he"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "couldn't even reach up there even if he"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "tried. And, he had to use an object"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "[music] because that would have left"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "obvious impressions in the ground. So,"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "then the officers tried reaching [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "at themselves. Now, in Jerry's account,"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "none of them could get up there, either."}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "Jerry had parked by a tree [music] at"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "the edge of a cornfield with his truck"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "still hitched to the trailer. He'd put"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "jack stands [music] behind it and"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "adjusted the tongue jack to get it"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "level. And, now both jack stands were"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "lying flat. There were also ridges of"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "grass and dirt 2 to 3 in thick pushed up"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "against the inside [music] of one tire"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "and the outside of the tire on the"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "opposite side. Now, to Jerry, those"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "ridges alone showed how the camper"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "[music] had been shoved back and forth."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "As the officers searched with their"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "flashlights, Jerry explained that one of"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "them ran across the bike [music] path"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "and came back winded with scratches on"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "his face and arms. The officer told the"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "others that he'd followed a large hairy"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "figure through a neighboring pasture and"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "watched it step over a 5-ft fence. All"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "the officer could say was, \"I can't"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "explain it, guys.\" Those checks and the"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "officer's encounter are all a part of"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "Jerry's [music] account. Unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "we don't have the officer's own accounts"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "confirming them. And, Jerry maintained"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "that no police report was ever filed."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "Jerry had even acknowledged drinking"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "during the call, if that even means"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "anything. But, I don't know about you,"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "the last time I drank, which was many,"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "many years ago, I never had an"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "experience like this. I don't really"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "think alcohol was part of it, but"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "whatever, right?"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "And, Jerry also had a stroke in 2001"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "that left him with a lasting slur"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "[music] and stutter, so you couldn't"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "really tell from his speech alone how"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "much he'd drunk or what [music] was"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "outside. Now, the 911 recording lets you"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "hear the yelling, the dog, and all the"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "noise, like the pounding, but it can't"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "show what was at the windows. Jerry got"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "a copy and he said [music] he listened"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "to it only a couple or few times and,"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "you know, hearing it just frightened"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "him. He just doesn't want to listen to"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "it again. And obviously, because of"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "those events, [music] he stopped camping"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "there entirely and shortly after these"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "events, he sold the trailer without"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "washing it. [music] According to Jerry,"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "the handprints were still on it when he"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "sold it. Now, of course, the [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "real question to all of this becomes,"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "did Jerry really see two Bigfoot outside"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "his trailer? Well, we can't know for"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "sure, but listening back to the 911"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "call, he was genuinely frightened by"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "something trying to get into his trailer"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "that night. [music] What remains a"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "mystery. And because you guys have made"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "it this far, I want you to all comment"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "down below, [music] trapped in a"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "trailer. So, that way I know who made it"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "to the end and who didn't. And if you"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "guys enjoy storytelling like this, where"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "we deep dive into strange cases of the"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "mysterious and supernatural, what the"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "heck are you waiting for, man? Slap that"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "like and subscribe button right now for"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "more content just like this. And as"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "always, never forget, I love you all."}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "[music] Keep an open mind and I'll see"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "you guys in the very next episode."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "This was filmed in July of 2026 [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "outside of woman's home in"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "Northamptonshire, England. Afterwards,"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "she called the police."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> They logged the report, and there was no"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "investigation. But, 3 years earlier,"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "someone else captured something similar,"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "and DNA samples collected all across the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "country point to one thing. In this"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "episode, we're going to look at several"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "sighting reports and footage of an"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "animal spotted all across Britain. But,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "there's a problem. Science says it's"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "impossible, that it can't exist. Well,"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "buckle up because we're about to see how"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "deep this rabbit hole goes. You won't"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "want to miss this one. In late July of"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "2026, a 55-year-old quality improvement"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "lead named Mel Barnes stepped outside"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "her home in the village of Deenthorpe,"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "England to get something that she had"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "left in her car. The sun had already"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "gone down, and the field next to her"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "house had been harvested, so all that"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "was left were these short stalks. That's"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "what people call stubble field. And as"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "Mel stood near her car, she noticed that"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "there was an animal moving through the"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "field. Now, she thought it was probably"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "a house cat because it was dark, and the"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "light was fading, and it had the same"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "basic feline outline. But, by her"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "estimate, it was only like 15 ft away."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "And from that distance, that assumption"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "didn't make sense. It was simply too"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "big. And then she noticed that its body"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "was just the wrong shape. And when it"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "moved again, the gait was different. And"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "then a second thought hit her. If this"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "thing disappeared, nobody was going to"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "believe her. So, she turned, she"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "sprinted back into her house, she found"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "her phone, grabbed it, turned right back"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "toward the field, and for those few"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "seconds, she had no way to know if the"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "animal had already vanished. Every"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "second she spent inside was another"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "chance for it to go. And so, she raced"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "back out into the yard, skidded to a"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "stop, then she raised the phone toward"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "the field. Luckily, it was still there,"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "so she started recording and through the"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "phone, she captured this dark"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "feline-looking animal moving across the"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "harvested field. It paced through the"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "stubble, almost stalking, moving slowly"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "and deliberately that Mel could hold the"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "camera on it. But after watching it, she"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "decided that it would be safer to move"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "inside. To Mel, it had looked far too"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "large to be a domestic cat, and she"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "would not have darted inside for her"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "phone for a moggy, what they call a"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "mixed-breed house cat. And she suspected"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "that it might have been a panther. But"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "even with the footage, she could only"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "explain it by saying that, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "just had to be there. She probably would"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "never see it again. She called the"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "police, the Northamptonshire police, and"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "they confirmed that had received a"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "report of a large cat in the Deenthorpe"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "area, but there was no search or"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "investigation. The report was simply"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "filed, and in August, Mel's story began"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "appearing all over the papers. That was"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "when she learned that people had already"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "had a name for reports like hers. They"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "called whatever was behind them the"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Beast of Rutland, after the sighting"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "history in the neighboring county, only"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "about 10 mi north of Deenthorpe. But Mel"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "was not the first person in the area to"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "report seeing it, not by a long shot. In"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "March of 2023, a 74-year-old nature"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "enthusiast"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "named Frank Tunbridge sat down at his"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "computer inside his home in Podsmead and"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "began opening emails about big cats. Now"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Frank described himself as an"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "investigator and tracker of Britain's"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "wild cats. He had no official"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "credentials, but he'd already spent"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "decades building files and collecting"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "all sorts of audio and video. And over"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "time, he'd become one of the people that"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "witnesses all across the UK sent their"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "stories to but most of those arrived"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "without a photograph. They were accounts"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "he could record but no image he could"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "actually study. So as he worked through"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "another group of sightings that day, he"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "expected more of the same and then he"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "opened an email with a video attached"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "and his eyes went wide. Now the footage"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "had been sent by an anonymous couple who"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "were tourists visiting relatives in the"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "United Kingdom. They'd stopped stopped"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "alongside A40 out in open country right"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "near the Forest of Dean when they"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "noticed an animal crossing toward the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "trees and started filming as quickly as"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "they could. When Frank played the clip,"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "he saw a large black animal moving"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "across the field. I mean to him, this"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "looked like a panther but even then it"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "was still a distant animal in a field"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "and even with video, it left room for"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "the same problem that Frank had always"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "faced. A dark shape could be interpreted"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "of different ways. Then somebody behind"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "the camera clapped, the animal froze and"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "it looked in the couple's direction and"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "then turned away and continued prowling"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "across the field off toward the trees."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "The couple were still some distance away"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "and there was a fence between them and"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "the field so they felt safe enough to"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "keep the camera pointed at it. Frank"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "considered the finished recording one of"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "the most compelling he'd ever been sent"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "because this was not just another story."}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "He had something he could actually study"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "and eventually the media picked it up"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "too and they called it one of the best"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "videos of a British big cat sighting"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "ever. Frank was contacted by reporters"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "and he explained that the recording was"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "more evidence that wild panthers were in"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "fact living in Britain. Gloucester"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Constabulary collected the report and"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "logged the incident on Wednesday, March"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "8th of 2023. Frank understood why people"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "struggled with his conclusion because to"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "a lot of people in Britain, the idea of"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "feral black leopards or pumas in the"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "woods just was unbelievable. But"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "although this video stood out, Frank was"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "not entirely surprised that another"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "sighting had reached him. He estimated"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "that there were actually 16 to 24"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "British big cat sightings every single"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "week. And according to him, even that"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "number did not include the witnesses who"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "stayed quiet because being ridiculed was"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "not worth it. And as you guys will see,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "there are so many more sightings. On the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "afternoon of Sunday of October 13th,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "2019, a 31-year-old full-time mother of"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "three named Kayleigh Holmes was home"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "alone in East Northamptonshire looking"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "forward to getting some things done"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "around her home. Her husband, Adam, who"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "is a 39-year-old manufacturing engineer,"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "had taken their 7-year-old son, Jacob,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "and the family dog, Loki, out for a"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "leisurely walk along the edge of"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "Wakerley Woods right near Corby, not far"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "from their home at around 3:00 in the"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "afternoon. So, when the phone rang"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "sometime after 3:30, and Adam told"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "Kayleigh that Loki had bolted off his"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "lead and had been missing for half an"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "hour, she got in the car and drove out"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "to help. Now, Kayleigh quickly found"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "Adam and Jacob right near the woods."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Loki was only about 11 months old, but"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "he was already big for his age. He was a"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "black Labrador Rottweiler cross. And so,"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "the three of them continued searching"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "and they're calling out for their dog,"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "but after they'd been looking for a"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "while, Adam walked to the top of a"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "nearby rise and looked down the other"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "side of an embankment. And then he"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "started cursing. So, Kayleigh rushed up"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "the hill to see what he had found. And"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "when she reached the top and looked"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "down, the first thing she recognized was"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "Loki. He was no longer missing, and in"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "fact, he was below them completely"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "focused on something directly in front"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "of him. And so, when she followed his"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "stare, she saw that Loki was standing"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "face to face with a massive black cat."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "This animal was more than twice the size"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "of Loki, which meant it was enormous,"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "and it had a long tail, visible fangs,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "and intense yellow eyes. Its fur looked"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "rough and scruffy, nothing like the"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "clean, neatly brushed pictures of"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "panthers or pumas that Kaylee had seen"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "online. And as she watched it bare its"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "teeth at Loki, it made the kind of sound"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "she associated with a panther. Although"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Loki wouldn't run, he held his ground"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "growling and showing his teeth while the"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "cat continued posturing in front of him."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "And as it got more intense, Kaylee could"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "immediately see that even as big as Loki"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "was, he was not going to win this one."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "So, her instinct was to get down there"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "and help him, but before she could do"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "anything, Adam grabbed a massive stick"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "from the ground. And so, instead of"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "aiming at the cat, he hurled it down the"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "hill beside it, close enough to scare it"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "without risking what it might do if he"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "hurt it. The cat immediately stopped,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "and in response, snapped its head toward"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "Adam and just stared at him. And for"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "this long moment, they kind of stared at"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "each other, and then the cat suddenly"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "sprang away into the trees, and Loki"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "turned and raced back to the family."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "Even though everybody was relieved,"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "Kaylee would later say that Adam had"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "nearly become its dinner. The family got"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "Loki in the car and rushed home, and"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "there they found a gash on his head and"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "cleaned it. He was weak and struggled to"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "sit or stand, but he was still eating,"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "drinking, and didn't appear in pain."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "That afternoon, they called the police,"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "and that report came in at roughly 4:45."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "And apparently, officers had told her"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "that there had been other reports from"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "that location. In fact, police later"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "relayed the family's account as an"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "attack by a large black cat and a claw"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "injury to Loki's face, but they never"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "independently confirmed that the animal"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "was a panther or that a claw had caused"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "the wound. And their record had the"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "family finding Loki staring up a tree,"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "not in the standoff that Kaylee"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "described below the rise. Now, that same"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "day, she also posted a warning online,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "and it said that their big dog had been"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "face-to-face with a huge black cat with"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "yellow eyes more than twice his size,"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "and police had mentioned other reports"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "there. The post was shared nearly a"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "thousand times. The very next day, a"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "veterinarian found Loki's cut mostly"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "healed with no infection or damage. Now,"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "just due to the ridiculousness of the"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "situation, some people laughed and"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "accused the family of fabricating it,"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "but Kaylee was adamant that this was"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "very, very real. On March 31st of 2019,"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "a 46-year-old public service team leader"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "named Craig Smith was driving along the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "A43 in Northamptonshire to visit his"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "mother for Mother's Day, when something"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "in a farmer's field made him slow down."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "At the time, Craig was right near"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "Fineshade Wood, with Wakerley Wood off"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "to the left of the road. That's when he"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "noticed an animal moving beside a"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "hedgerow, and for the first few seconds,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "he couldn't make sense of what he was"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "seeing. He could see the shape clearly"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "enough, but he just couldn't understand"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "what it was doing. The animal was around"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "4 ft tall by his estimate, and it was"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "moving very slowly, almost as if it was"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "prowling. Craig was gobsmacked, and"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "because he was still behind the wheel,"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "he couldn't take a photograph. So, he"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "slowed down and he just kept watching"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "intently, and then he saw the tail. It"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "was the blackest of blacks, and it hung"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "so low that it swept across the ground"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "behind it, and he thought that it was"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "beautiful. Now, what Craig had seen"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "through a car window would have been"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "easy to dismiss later on, but Craig had"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "already spent plenty of times around big"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "cats. He'd even hand-fed a tiger. And"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "so, when he put the animal's height, its"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "movement, and the long black tail, his"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "conclusion was pretty blunt. It was"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "definitely a panther. There's nothing"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "else it could have been. But the idea of"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "that seems impossible and he started"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "doubting himself the more he drove. All"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "he had was that he remembered seeing"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "this from the road. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "wanting to get reassurance, he called a"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "friend and that friend told Craig that"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "roughly 3 weeks earlier, he too had seen"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "a similar animal right near the Corby"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "Tip, which isn't far away. The very next"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "day, Craig returned to the field to look"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "for paw prints and he wasn't able to"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "find anything. A farmer had been"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "spreading chemicals there and Craig"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "thought that may have disturbed any"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "tracks that had already been there. So,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "he planned to try again. Now, even"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "though he couldn't get any physical"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "evidence, he did use one word to"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "describe what happened to him."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Privileged. Now, you might be sitting"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "there listening to all this thinking to"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "yourself, yeah, right. But, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "over the course of 1996 to 2012, there"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "was a literal rapid-fire series of"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "sightings. I'll actually run a few by"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "you. In 2003, a bus driver had"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "reportedly seen a very large cat near"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "the A6116."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "A motorist near Gretton also reported"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "seeing a large black cat in the road"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "with yellow or amber colored eyes. The"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "following year, in 2004,"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "there was a spike in reported sightings."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "And in fact, there was six sightings"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "reported in just a 2-week span. Weird,"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "right? Well, in 2012, a couple walking"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "their dog in Wakerley Woods, again, also"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "reported a panther-like cat. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "surely these can't all be"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "misidentifications, right? I mean, even"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "from a biological perspective, there"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "isn't abundant amount of food for it to"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "not only survive, but thrive. And it"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "does coincide with the vast amount of"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "livestock, like sheep and lamb, that"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "continue going missing or are found"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "dead. It's even more interesting that"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "the Forestry Commission has not"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "responded when asked for a comment. I"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "know we're jumping around here, so just"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "bear with me, but after so many"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "sightings, a group of eyewitnesses"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "finally decided to step forward and"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "share their experiences both in person"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "and online at a 2006 conference. Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "realistically, I can't share them all"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "with you because there are just so many."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "And what's in this episode is really a"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "handful that were picked. The conference"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "ran for 3 days from March 24th to the"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "26th in Marston Trussell, which is a"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "village in West Northamptonshire, and it"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "was the first real British big cat"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "conference ever held in the United"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "Kingdom. Now, just to be clear, the"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "subject was not fat house cats. It was"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "wild pumas and panthers and all of that"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "that people believed were moving through"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "Britain. The organizer was actually an"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "author named Merrily Harpur. Her book,"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "Mystery Big Cats, was often described as"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "the first serious comprehensive"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "treatment of the subject. And according"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "to her, roughly 1,200"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "sightings were being reported across the"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "United Kingdom every single year. That's"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "That's substantial. But, she was not"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "studying the mystery entirely from a"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "distance because Harpur said that she"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "had seen one of these herself. She"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "called it a shocking and stunning"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "experience and even said that what"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "struck her was seeing something so"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "exotic in such mundane surroundings."}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Now, the first famous British big cat"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "case of the 20th century became known as"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "the Surrey Puma. Reports began in 1959"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "and then surfaced again from 1962 all"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "the way through '66. And between"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "September of 1964 and August of '66,"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Surrey police received 362"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "reported sightings. The descriptions all"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "ranged from tawny to gray to black. I"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "mean, there were alleged livestock kills"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "and footprints even mixed into the"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "record. And there'd even been sporadic"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "less famous sightings even before that."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "But by 2006, those reports got a"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "database. One of the researchers named"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "Matt Tindall ran a website called"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "Northampton Big Cats, where witnesses"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "could actually send in their accounts."}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "And the reports collected there showed"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "just how different one sighting can look"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "from the next. In December of 2005,"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "someone in Rushton described a sandy"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "brown animal, possibly a jungle cat,"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "about the size of a border collie with"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "markings along its tail and lower back."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "Then it vanished into the undergrowth."}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "On March 8th of 2006, a horse rider near"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "Nobottle was startled by something black"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "that was bigger than a Labrador. It had"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "thick legs and a long tail. And then on"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "March 19th, roughly 15 minutes before"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "dark, another witness reported an animal"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "in Wickham Woods. This witness had a"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "Bachelor of Science degree in ecology"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "and had seen zoo pumas up close. And"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "they said that the animal matched, and"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "they were certain it was not a fox,"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "deer, or loose dog because it could not"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "move like any of them. None of those"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "reports though solved the mystery."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "Separately, another researcher had noted"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "a regional pattern of its own. Nigel"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "Spencer, who ran the Leicestershire and"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "Rutland Panther Watch, believed there"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "was actually a cluster of sightings"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "along the Brampton Valley Way. And he"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "had a theory for where the animals had"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "come from. In the 1970s, the Dangerous"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "Wild Animals Act required owners to"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "obtain licenses. Spencer believed that"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "some people released their pumas and"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "leopards rather than comply. But what"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "mattered was what he thought happened"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "after that. Those [clears throat] cats"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "did not just survive. They bred. They"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "continued breeding, and there was plenty"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "for them to eat. Like I mentioned."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "Chickens, rabbits, domestic cats. I"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "mean, how else do you explain this"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "population? Now, in 2012, an anonymous"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "groundskeeper at a care home in"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "Southwest England came around a corner"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "during his rounds and saw something"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "black twisting around on top of the"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "compost heap. Even though the work was"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "tough, he really enjoyed being outside."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "There were deer all over the property,"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "and people really enjoyed watching them,"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "but they also liked walking the grounds"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "without stepping through droppings. So,"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "the groundskeeper would rake these"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "droppings into the compost, keep the"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "lawns mowed, trim the hedges, and make"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "sure everything stayed clean. But, that"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "day, the compost pile was moving. And at"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "first, all he can make out was this blur"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "of black fur rolling over and over"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "through the deer droppings. And so, he"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "stood there trying to figure out what he"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "was looking at until the animal stopped"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "moving, lifted its head, and it looked"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "directly at him. The groundskeeper"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "believed he was staring at a panther."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "And so, for a second, neither of them"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "moved, and then the animal jumped all"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "four feet, launched itself off the"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "compost pile, cleared a nearby fence,"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "and went across the field like a rocket."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "The groundskeeper just wanted to tell"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "somebody. This was not the kind of thing"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "you expected to find rolling around"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "behind a care home in England. But, once"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "the animal was gone, he was left"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "standing there by himself, and so he"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "started to really doubt what had"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "happened. Now, he filed the experience"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "away and really only mentioned it to a"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "few coworkers that he trusted. And about"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "a month later, something else appeared."}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "Behind a hedge, much closer to the"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "compost,"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "the staff found a half-eaten roe deer"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "that had not been there the night"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "before. The fatal wound was the"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "windpipe, where two punctures sat about"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "4 cm apart. Now, of course, nobody could"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "prove what killed it, but after the"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "carcass appeared, the night staff began"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "parking as close to the doors they"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "possibly could and they kept doing it"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "for weeks. But, nobody spread the story"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "around and it kind of just stayed in"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "this small circle at work. And then, the"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "staff chose Rick Minter who they"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "believed would take the report seriously"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "but also keep it private. Now, Minter"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "was important because he hosted a"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "podcast called Big Cat Conversations and"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "wrote Big Cats facing Britain's wild"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "predators. But, his interest in these"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "reports had begun 24 years earlier when"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "he saw an animal crossing rough pasture"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "in Cumbria from about 70 m away. For"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "him, he at first assumed it was a"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "Labrador because that was obvious. But,"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "when he kept looking, he began noticing"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "that everything was different about it."}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "And in fact, you know, it looked exactly"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "like an actual panther. Now, because it"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "was so out of place, the sighting stayed"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "with him for many, many years. Minter"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "himself spoke with around 1,500"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "witnesses through talks, community"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "events, and of course, his podcast. And"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "eventually, he actually appeared on the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "BBC Radio 4 program, Ramblings with"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "journalist Clare Balding, who believed"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "that she had seen a black leopard in"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "Britain, too. And so, after that aired,"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "40 listeners actually emailed with"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "stories of their very own. Some"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "described cats charging geese, others"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "said that they had seen them sunning"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "themselves, bolting from barns, or even"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "mothers leading cubs. And these were not"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "all vague reports of a dark shape"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "disappearing into the woods. One came"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "from a fisherman in Essex. At 5:00 in"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "the morning, he disturbed a large cat"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "that had cornered a muntjac, which is a"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "small invasive deer. The animal hissed"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "at him, and then he noticed that the"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "there was kind of a rosette pattern"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "hidden in its black fur. And then in"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "Somerset, a dog watcher watched a black"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "leopard bring down a roe deer one field"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "away. They were too frightened to go"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "back for 3 days. When they did, the"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "carcass had been dragged away and"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "devoured, you know, kind of like a big"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "cat would do. And in Dorset, a woman"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "watched a black leopard descend"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "effortlessly from a tree after raiding a"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "squirrel nest 12 m up. Minter's podcast"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "site carried clips of those last two"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "stories, and when he compared all these"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "descriptions, the cats were usually fit,"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "muscular, and confident. And he said"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "about 80% matched black leopards with"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "sleek bodies and extra long tails, and"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "about 15% were tan and matched pumas,"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "mountain lions, or cougars. And roughly"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "5% sounded like Eurasian lynx. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "described the stocky body and short tail"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "that you'd expect from a jaguar. So, for"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "Minter, the details varied, but the"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "broader pattern never did. People kept"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "these encounters to themselves because"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "they expected to be mocked, just as the"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "Care Home groundskeeper had. But, the"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "moment they realized someone might be"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "listening without laughing, they decided"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "to open up. Now, the obvious problem was"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "proof, because separate from those"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "account clips, footage was generally"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "rare or far too pixelated to really"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "settle any debate. And so, Minter had"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "this practical explanation for at least"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "some of that. Witnesses often assumed"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "they were looking at a dog, so they"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "didn't film. Some were far too scared,"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "and others were just trying to control"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "their panicked pet. Minter estimated"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "that a dog or a horse was involved in"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "roughly 30% of all reports, often"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "reacting before its owner noticed"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "anything. And by the time the person"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "understood what it was responding to, it"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "was already underway. But, according to"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "Minter, not every recording was a blur."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "In five separate cases, he says that he"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "either saw or received detailed"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "descriptions of what sounded like ideal"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "footage from a phone, a trail camera, or"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "CCTV. And of course, every owner refused"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "to release the material. Even when money"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "was offered, the answer stayed no. The"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "owners cited privacy, shooting rights,"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "and business reputations. Mentzer wasn't"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "arguing that every witness was right, he"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "just believed skepticism was natural and"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "he wanted every report put through the"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "same grading system from E for uncertain"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "all the way to A+ for what he called a"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "definitive close encounter. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "real questions we need to be asking are,"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "if they're so widely spotted and there"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "are so many accounts of them, how come"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "they're not officially recognized? I"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "mean, did humans come along and put them"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "there? Possibly as illegal wildlife"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "trade or you know, maybe even amateur"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "zoos with lax facilities. And really,"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "researchers are still debating three"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "separate parts of this. Whether there is"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "a big cat population in Britain at all,"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "how it could have gotten there, and why"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "it might still be there. Because if"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "these are real, they did not swim to"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "Britain. At some point, people had to"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "put them there. And there are several"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "ways that could have happened. Some may"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "have been dumped as pets, others could"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "have been unwanted guard animals, you"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "know, cats released from collections, or"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "abandoned mascots. But there are two"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "possibilities that we mentioned. Animals"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "entering through the illegal wildlife"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "trade or possibly getting out of an"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "amateur zoo, which would also explain"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "why so many of the reported animals are"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "panthers, specifically black leopards."}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "The black leopard mystique made them a"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "favorite animal for people to keep. And"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "if that type was kept more often, that"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "might explain why it now dominates the"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "sightings. In fact, one possible first"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "wave goes back to wartime. Big cats are"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "carnivores, and during wartime"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "rationing, feeding them could become"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "impossible. So there's a theory that"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "some desperate owners simply open the"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "cages and just let them go free. But one"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "release period would not necessarily be"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "the whole story because if different"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "animals were released again and again"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "across multiple decades, each new"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "release would continue the gene flow,"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "basically adding new animals to the"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "breeding pool, and that could be enough"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "to keep a scattered population viable."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "But then there's Britain, right? The"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "topography gives them woodland edges and"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "scrub and cover, and of course the food"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "is there because there's deer"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "everywhere, along with rabbits, hares,"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "pigeons, pets, right? Lots of food. Now,"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "all of this still leaves us with a major"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "issue. After more than 60 years of"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "testimony from the Surrey Puma all the"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "way to Mel Barnes, all we have for the"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "most part are just stories. But by the"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "2020s, we have gotten some samples. In"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "fact, there are six publicly disclosed"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "samples collected in the UK, and all six"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "were reported as positive for leopard"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "DNA. And to be clear, it was not"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "reported as unidentified feline, it was"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "leopard. What's interesting is one of"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "them came from Gloucester in 2022, where"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "a sheep had been killed and an"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "unidentified hair was found snagged on a"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "nearby barbed wire. That hair tested"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "positive for leopard, but for some"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "reason the lab that tested it chose to"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "remain anonymous. And then in Cumbria in"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "2023, another sheep was found dead. This"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "time the DNA was recovered directly from"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "the carcass, and again, the result was"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "leopard. Now, the scientist who went on"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "the record about the test was Professor"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "Robin Allaby of the University of"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "Warwick. Now, he had set up a testing"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "service 12 years earlier, and since"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "then, he had processed many suspected"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "samples with limited success. And one"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "reason is that big cat saliva degrades"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "very quickly, so swabbing a carcass"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "becomes a race against decay. And to"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "give those tests a reliable comparison,"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "he used a claw from a black leopard that"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "had been shot and stuffed, so that way"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "he had a known DNA sequence to compare"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "the suspected samples against along"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "with, you know, earlier verified"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "positive sequences that had been banked"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "with him. So, the TLDR here is that he"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "says there have been leopard kills in"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "the UK, but he's also very cautious"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "because they're still isolated and there"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "there's really not enough to, you know,"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "confirm and say that there's a"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "population. Now, when a predator bites"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "into prey, its teeth can leave"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "measurable pits in the bone. The"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "technique is called tooth pit analysis."}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "And researchers at the Royal"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "Agricultural University in Cirencester"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "are using it to study suspected kills."}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "Associate Professor Andrew Hemmings"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "explained that the length, breadth, and"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "spacing of those pits can help identify"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "the predator. And in particular, dents"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "left by molars and premolars can"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "distinguish the bite of a domestic dog"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "from the bite of a big cat. Scores of"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "bones have been examined this way, most"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "of them from deer, and all of them"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "submitted from suspected big cat"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "attacks. And four samples fell within"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "the range expected for a leopard or"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "puma-sized cat. Now, it doesn't confirm"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "a population, but it does reinforce the"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "suspicion that at least some of the"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "remains are compatible with a large cat."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "Mark Grave is a wildlife tracker who"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "spent 18 years as an elite wildlife"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "guide in South Africa, where he tracked"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "leopards professionally. And so, when he"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "analyzed evidence from Britain, he found"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "three different kinds of clues that"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "looked pretty familiar. There were the"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "prints among several prints and casts"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "found in the UK were identified matching"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "large cats, specifically leopards. And"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "then there's audio. A trail camera in"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "Devon captured what Graves identifies as"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "a leopard's sawing, which is this kind"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "of deep rasping call the animal uses to"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "mark territory or find a mate."}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "And of course, we can't ignore the"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "kills. Some freshly killed deer"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "carcasses in Britain match leopard"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "behavior, and Graves even compared them"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "with the way that leopards leave in"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "Paddock Hills in South Africa. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "frustration here is that these clues"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "show up one at a time. A print here, you"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "know, a carcass over here. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "he believes that more must exist, but"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "following a big cat trail can mean"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "crossing onto private land. And so, he"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "wants dedicated funding, the trust of"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "landowners, you know, scout detection"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "dogs. With those things in place, he has"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "no doubt researchers would actually make"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "real progress into solving [music] this"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "mystery. Now, unfortunately, six"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "different DNA hits don't prove a"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "breeding population the same way that"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "four bone samples don't give us a body."}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "And no British big cat has ever really"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "been produced, dead or alive. So,"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "there's really nothing definitive. You"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "know, while we can't say for certain"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "they are there, there are sure are a"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "heck of a lot of eyewitnesses taking"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "video and audio. And if there are over"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "1500 people with their own sightings, I"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "mean, doesn't that say something? I"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "mean, guys, just ask Mel Barnes."}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "Unfortunately, for the time being, it"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "all remains a mystery. And because you"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "guys have made it this far, I want you"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "to all comment down below big cats. So,"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "that way I know who made it to the end"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "and who didn't. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "This replaced a live television"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "broadcast in Chicago and the station"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "couldn't stop it. Even stranger, this"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "wasn't the first time someone had taken"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "over a TV signal. In this episode, I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "going to tell you about three of the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "strangest interferences ever. You won't"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "want to miss this one. On the night of"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "November 22nd of 1987, a man sat in"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "front of a microwave transmitter"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "somewhere on the north side of Chicago"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "getting ready to take over a live"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "television broadcast. It was 9:14 p.m."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "and on a second screen beside him, WGN"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "was in the middle of its 9:00 newscast."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "Sports anchor Dan Rowan was delivering"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "the sports report, [music] which meant"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "people all across Chicago were sitting"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "in front of their televisions when this"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "man reached for the transmitter and"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "powered it up. The WGN picture"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "disappeared. The screen stayed black for"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "about 15 seconds and then the mysterious"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "man's own feet appeared in its place."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "His"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "signal was now going out to all homes"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "across Chicago. Except almost"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "immediately he realized there was a"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "problem because the video was working"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "but the audio wasn't. And instead of the"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "sound he intended to send, the"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "television beside him produced this loud"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "garbled buzzing noise. And no matter"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "what he was saying into his own camera,"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "nobody watching WGN could understand"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "him. And before he could fix it, his"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "feed vanished and WGN reappeared."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Engineers inside WGN had recognized the"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "intrusion and quickly changed the"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "station's transmission frequency, so"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "that way the tower stopped receiving"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "this foreign signal. Now, the entire"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "takeover had lasted roughly 30 seconds."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "[music] And so at this point, this"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "hacker had proved that his equipment"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "could reach downtown, but he had also"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "alerted one of the biggest stations in"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "Chicago that somebody was trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "hijack its signal. Now, from his side,"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "he had to assume WGN's engineers knew"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "what frequency he had used, knew what"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "his picture looked like, and could"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "easily begin calling other stations or"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "federal authorities at any moment. But"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "he didn't stop. Instead, he spent the"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "next 2 hours regrouping. Whatever had"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "gone wrong with the audio, he corrected"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "it. And rather than challenging the same"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "engineers again, he aimed his equipment"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "at a different station with a very"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "different weakness. That station was"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "[music] WTTW,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Chicago's PBS affiliate. And at around"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "11:15, it was airing a Doctor Who"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "episode called Horror of Fang Rock. But"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "the program was not the reason this"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "hacker had chosen it. You see, WTTW's"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "broadcast tower sat on top of the Sears"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "Tower. And at that hour on a Sunday"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "night, there were no engineers on duty"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "at the tower who could change the"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "frequency [music] and force him back"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "out. So, if he could get his signal"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "right this time, the people at WTTW"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "might know exactly what was happening"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "and still have no way to stop it. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "the man took a deep breath. He reached"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "out and he powered up the transmitter"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "again. And on the screen beside him,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Doctor Who dissolved into this wobbling"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "black and white lines. Then, the picture"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "rolled for a moment. The program"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "vanished and the same feed that he tried"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "to send through WGN appeared again. But"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "this time the video and audio worked and"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "the station did not come back."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> You should talk often with the old ones"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "of your tribe. That is the only way to"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "learn."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> I'll get you a hot drink, man."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Some dry."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "He's a freaky nerd."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Better than chips woring"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "I still"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "my file."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Oh, I just made a giant masterpiece for"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "all the greatest world newspaper nerds."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "my brother is wearing the other one,"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "but it's dirty."}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "They're coming to get me."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "[screaming]"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "As far as I can tell,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> after roughly a minute and a half, he"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "ended the transmission voluntarily, and"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Doctor Who returned on the screen beside"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "him. Now that he was finished, he packed"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "up the equipment, left the place that he"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "had been transmitting from, went home,"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "and he waited for somebody to knock on"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "his door and basically go to jail. He"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "could only sit tight and wait for the"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "inevitable. Keep in mind that doing"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "something like this could easily be"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "punishable up to a $100,000 fine and a"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "year in prison. Both stations knew that"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "an outside signal had taken control of"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "their towers. And so in response, the"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "FCC opened a criminal investigation and"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "engineers quickly began working backward"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "from the signal trying to trace the"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "anonymous hacker as best [music] as they"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "could. But that night passed with no"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "knocks on the man's door. Monday passed,"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "then the rest of the week, and nobody"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "knocked. Weeks turned into months, and"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "then months into years, and finally in"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "1992, the 5-year statute of limitations"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "expired. This anonymous person had"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "successfully gotten away with what he'd"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "done. But the one thing that I've not"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "told you is that none of the private"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "side of this story is really known. We"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "do not know if he was a station employee"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "or belonged to a criminal organization"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "or maybe something else entirely. Now,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "despite a full federal investigation and"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "decades of speculation, nobody has ever"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "been identified or charged or ever"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "claimed responsibility. All we really"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "know is that at 9:14 on WGN, the sports"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "report vanished and the screen went"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "black for about 15 seconds. Then a"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "figure wearing sunglasses and a rubber"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "Max Headroom mask appeared rocking"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "erratically in front of a rotating sheet"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "of corrugated metal that mimicked the"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "geometric background from the real Max"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "Headroom show. Now at the time Max"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Headroom was a wisecracking kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "glitchy TV character presented at this"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "as this sort of computerenerated host."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "That means people watching would have"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "immediately recognized the mask."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "Look, I don't give a damn whose job it"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "is. Let just do it. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "cool."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "And welcome to the Max Headroom show."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "It's great to be back. This is really"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "terrific. We're having a nice time now,"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "aren't we? I think the whole thing is"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "going incredibly well."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "Hey. Oh, come on. and I was just"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "beginning to enjoy that."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> The figure appeared to be speaking, but"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "the audience heard only a buzz. After"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "roughly 30 seconds, WGN's engineers"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "changed the frequency and cut him off. 2"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "hours later, WTTW air director Paul"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "Rizzo and the rest of the station staff"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "watched Doctor Who dissolve into"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "waffling lines. And then the same"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "[music] masked figure appeared again."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "Only this time, the audio was distorted"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "but understandable. And [music] as"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "seconds passed, everybody realized there"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "was still nobody at the tower who could"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "remove him. The masked man opened with"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "strange remarks. And then he held a"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "Pepsi cane up to the camera while"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "repeating Coca-Cola's catch the wave"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "slogan, which was even more bizarre"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "because the real Max Headroom was"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "Coca-Cola's spokesman at the time."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": ">> The study of good taste."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> In fact, the taste that stands the test."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": ">> Yes. The test where new Coke takes on"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "Pepsi. I"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> that's as in"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": ">> the New Coke pop quiz. Cocologist."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> All others pay attention."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> When Coke did take on Pepsi in"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "nationwide tests, more people chose Coke"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "over Pepsi. Prove it to yourself."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> And then it just kind of kept going. He"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "raised his [music] middle finger near"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "the camera, sang disconnected song"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "fragments, hummed the theme from the"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "1959 cartoon Clutch Cargo, and then"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "began making really crude remarks about"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "hemorrhoids. The more incoherent the"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "performance became, the more stressed"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "Rizzo and the staff became. They could"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "not make it stop. And if all of this"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "wasn't crude enough, at one point the"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "video cut out and returned only for him"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "to be showing his bare backside. And"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "then a person in a maid costume steps"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "into frame and begins spanking him with"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "a fly swatter. Once the transmission"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "ended, the station's phone lines were"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "immediately flooded with calls. The FCC"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "could establish that the signal required"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "extremely [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "powerful transmitting equipment worth"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "around $400,000 to $600,000 at the time"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "or in today's money 1.2 to 1.8 million."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "Whoever this was also needed good line"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "of sight to both downtown towers which"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "placed the source likely somewhere"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "around north or northwest of downtown"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "Chicago. Additionally, the operation"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "clearly required sophisticated technical"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "knowledge and months [music] of"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "planning, but that only explained how it"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "had been possible. One theory pointed to"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "a current or former station employee,"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "while another pointed to members of"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "Chicago's underground hacker community."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "Of course, neither theory was ever"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "proven. The technical execution was"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "brilliant, but the content was juvenile."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "It was too complicated to look like a"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "simple prank and too incoherent to look"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "political. Because of that mismatch,"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "investigators didn't really have a"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "motive or really much of a profile that"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "could lead them to a real person. And"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "again, even after prosecution was no"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "longer possible, nobody stepped forward."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "The individual has never been"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "identified. And as of today, it all"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "remains a mystery. Just after 5:00 p.m."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "on November 26th of 1977, [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "a 9-year-old girl named Claire was"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "sitting in her family's living room in"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Hampshire, England, half watching the"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "evening news and waiting for her"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "favorite program to come on when the"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "sound on the TV suddenly vanished. The"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "presenter's voice disappeared and was"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "replaced by this deep buzz. Unsure of"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "what was happening, Clare immediately"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "looked to her parents and saw that her"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "father was frowning at the television"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "and her mother stopped knitting and just"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "stared. And through the buzzing sound,"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "all three of them could hear a man's"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "voice that [music] began to speak. It"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "was deep and heavily distorted as if it"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "had been run through a filter, and it"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "spoke very slowly and deliberately. This"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "didn't sound like a glitch or prank, and"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "more than anything, it sounded like some"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "sort of announcement. Now, Claire tried"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "to follow what the voice was saying, but"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "most of the sentences were too long and"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "the words were too big. She caught"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "fragments about lights [music] in the"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "skies and planet Earth. And then there"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "was something about weapons and evil, a"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "galactic command, peace, evolution, and"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "a new age that was supposedly coming."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "And she kept looking at her parents as"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "if they knew what was happening. And so"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "finally her father stood up and her"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "mother's face had gone pale. But the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "voice kept going. Even though her father"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "was going to turn the TV off, to her it"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "felt like it might never stop. But in"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "reality, the interruption was only about"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "5 and 1/2 minutes. All of a sudden, the"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "buzzing cutout and everything returned"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "to normal. A Looney Tunes cartoon called"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "Goofy Gophers began playing, but Claire"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "just stayed frozen in front of the"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "screen and her mother reached for the"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "phone. Across Southern Television's"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "coverage area, the station's phone lines"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "were overwhelmed by hundreds of viewers,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "and police received more than 50 calls"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "on the emergency line. Some people were"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "genuinely frightened. Nobody knew if"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "this had been real or a prank. And worst"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "of all, nobody knew how an outside"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "[music] voice had reached their"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "televisions. And so the technical answer"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "came down to one television tower in"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "Hampshire. Most received their"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "programming through a direct landline."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "But the Hennington transmitter did not."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Instead, it received its feed over the"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "air from another transmitter and then"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "rebroadcast that signal across its own"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "coverage area, which gave the"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "broadcaster a way in. somebody close"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "enough to Hannington could send it a"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "signal stronger than the normal one. And"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "once that took over, it would amplify"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "the false audio and carry it into"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "people's homes. The person didn't need"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "massive power. They just needed to be"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "close enough. Southern television"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "confirmed that a hoaxer had jammed the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "transmitter and the [music] authority"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "that owned the tower said the person"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "responsible needed a considerable amount"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "of technical knowhow. Even then, this"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "event was so bizarre that there's still"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "no explanation for why somebody had"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "chosen that message. And within hours,"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "the newspapers were describing a"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "different event. Some reported that the"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "voice had threatened an actual invasion"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "of Earth. Others said it had warned"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "humanity that it would have to leave the"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "galaxy. They couldn't even agree on the"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "speaker's name. Some called it Gillan."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "Others called it Asteron. But the words"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "Clare had been trying to follow never"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "threatened any invasion. The voice"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "identified itself [music] as Villain, a"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "representative of the Ashtar Galactic"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Command. Now, the name Ashtar and the"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "idea of an Ashtar command had actually"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "been circulating in UFO contact circles"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "since the 1950s. So, whoever wrote this"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "message knew the UFO lore. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "message urged humanity to put down its"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "weapons [music] and spoke about an"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "awakening that mankind was to transition"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "into the age of Aquarius [music] and"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "warned against false prophets who drain"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "people of the energy they called money"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "while not really offering anything"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "worthwhile in return. The speaker was"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "leaving the plane of human existence and"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "offer the love and truth of the cosmos."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "Now, because this was 1977,"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "most viewers had no way to go back and"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "hear any of that for themselves. VCRs"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "were still incredibly expensive. And so,"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "for them, the newspaper reports became"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "the record, and those reports already"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "described an invasion. By November 30th,"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "Southern Television had identified the"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "method and closed the vulnerability at"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "Hannington."}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:18", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": ">> Police and broadcast regulators"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "investigated, but in December, the Home"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "Office closed the investigation without"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "identifying anyone. By 1985, some were"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "telling the story as if there had never"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "been a technical explanation. As of"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "today, there are multiple recordings"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "online, including recreations"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": ">> stopping the execution of all captured"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "prisoners of war"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "in Australia. Mr."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "cricketers are still"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "positioning"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "the test and this is the voice of"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "representative of the"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "For many years you have seen us as"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "we speak to you"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "as we have done to your brothers and"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "sisters under this your"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "destiny of your race and your world so"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "that you make to your evil"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "to avoid disaster."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "threatens your"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "beings on other worlds around you."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "This is the shared fight as the planet"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "passes into the new age of us."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "The new age can be great and"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "rulers of"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "Be still now and"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "for your chance may not come again."}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": ">> All your weapons of evil must be"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "removed."}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "The time for conflict is now passed and"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "the race of which you are a part may"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "proceed to the higher stages of its"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "evolution. If you show yourself worth it"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "through this,"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "you have but a short time to learn to"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "live together in a peace and goodwill."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "Small groups all over the planet"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "learning this and exist lighting"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "to you."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "You are free to accept your attention."}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": ">> Then he goes, \"What is this?\" Then they"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "run off."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "Fear now the voice of Ronald"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "representative of the Azaric"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "command speaking to you."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "Be aware also that there are many false"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "prophets and guides"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "on your own."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "They will suck your energy from you. We"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "never steal our money and will put into"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "evil areas giving you the world to stop"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "in return"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "protect you from this. You must be"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "sensitive to the voice of that"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "subject."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "really appreciated"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "and I insist"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "any choice ingredients. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "The greatest"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "Attention."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "We are now leaving the place of your"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "existence."}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "May bless the supreme."}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "Unfortunately, nobody was ever"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "identified as the person behind the"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "voice. At around 2 am on August 14th of"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "1994, an artist named Lev Alexandra Vicc"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "Lebadev was jolted awake by a sharp"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "grading buzz inside his apartment"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "located in Petropavos, Kimchky, which is"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "on the far eastern coast of Russia. Lev"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "and his family were in the middle of"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "moving, so the apartment was nearly"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "empty. His wife and son were still"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "staying at their old place, and Lev had"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "been dozing alone on the couch. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "sound he had heard reminded him of an"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "electric razor. And so, he sat up alert,"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "looked around, and he tried to figure"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "out where the sound was coming from. But"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "then the sound stopped and everything"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "went quiet. And all of a sudden, the"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "television turned itself on. Now, this"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "was an old Latvian TV. It had been"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "broken down for a while, but somehow the"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "screen was glowing with bright jagged"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "lines, and the static cleared and a"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "crisp image appeared. And on the screen"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "was a discshaped object like a lentil"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "seen from the side with something like"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "an antenna sticking out of it. And the"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "picture was remarkably clear. And for"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "just a few seconds, Lev stared at it."}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "And then he had this thought that maybe"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "there was actually something outside. So"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "he got up from the couch, went to the"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "window, and when he looked out over Ava"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "Chinske Bay, he saw this dark object"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "hovering in the night sky. It was"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "incredibly ominous and also strange. It"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "would just hang still and then suddenly"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "make a sharp change in direction and"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "then stop again. Lev knew this was"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "obviously not normal. So, he quickly ran"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "back to the couch and he could see the"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "disc was still there on the screen. And"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "as he watched it, he started wondering"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "what the inside might look like. And"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "then the picture suddenly changed. Now"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "he was looking at a group of figures who"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "appeared remarkably human. though"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "something about them just did not look"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "right. Like it was like um like an"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "uncanny valley sort of feeling. And one"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "of them was a young woman, you know,"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "maybe 22 or three, wearing a white gown"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "and holding something that looked like a"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "syringe without a needle. And as Lev"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "watched her, this idea entered his mind"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "that maybe these were humans taken from"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "Earth and somehow changed so they"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "[music] could survive space travel. Lev"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "had no idea where it had come from. But"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "the moment it formed in his mind, the"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "entire image disappeared. And then this"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "very handsome young man appeared with"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "long curly hair and a small beard and"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "features that Lev thought looked Middle"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "Eastern. And his first thought was that"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "this man looked like an image of Jesus"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "Christ. But then another thought entered"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "his mind. And this one did not feel like"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "his own. It felt more like information"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "had been placed there from somewhere"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "outside him. And the young man had been"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "born on Earth, taken away as a child,"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "and his family had traveled to this"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "other world for some kind of reunion."}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "And then, [music] just like before, the"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "image faded. This is getting weird,"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "isn't it? Love thought about the young"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "woman in the white gown again, and he"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "wanted to see her one more time, but"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "closer. And so, she came back onto the"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "screen. And this time, her face filled"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "more of the picture. Lev could see her"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "clearly. And almost without thinking, he"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "smiled and waved. And so the young woman"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "smiled and waved back. Now keep in mind"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "that this exchange was happening from"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "his television. He couldn't explain it,"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "but he was overcome with this sudden"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "warmth and joy coming from the image."}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "But then a very different figure moved"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "into view behind her. His body was"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "covered in hair. His eyes were large and"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "round and fiery. and he just stared"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "through the screen with a hard"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "penetrating look and he signaled for the"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "young woman to step away and her image"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "shrank as she returned to whatever work"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "she had been doing. Now, at this point,"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "Lev wanted proof that what he was"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "looking at was the inside of an actual"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "craft. And so, he asked to see the"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "instruments or anything that might"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "explain how any of this worked, but he"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "got no response. The disc faded, the"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "television went dark, and eventually he"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "laid back down and tried to fall asleep."}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "It was almost like he was following"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "instructions, like he was being"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "puppeteered. I mean, if I had an"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "experience like this, the last thing I"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "would be doing is just casually lying"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "down and going to sleep. Now, when he"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "woke later that morning, he wondered"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "whether the whole thing had been a dream"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "because, I mean, gosh, it was so"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "strange. And all day while packing, he"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "would occasionally glance at the dark"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "screen and debate with himself if he"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "should try and turn the TV on and get"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "the signal to appear again. But then"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "he'd talk himself out of it because it"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "was just so crazy. Now, eventually he"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "convinced himself that the entire ordeal"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "was just a very vivid dream, that he was"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "just [music] exhausted from the move."}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "However, that night when Lev went to lay"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "down on the couch again, he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "fall asleep. He tossed and turned and"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "his mind wouldn't shut down and he kept"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "looking over at the television as if"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "somehow drawn to it. And just before"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "1:00 a.m. on August 15th, so this is"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "roughly about 24 hours later, the"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "television [music] screen began to glow"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "and that familiar discshaped object"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "appeared again. his entire world slowed"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "down because he was wide awake. And now,"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "as his instincts had told him, this was"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "all very real. He had not dreamt any of"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "it. Now, instead of keeping his request"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "inside his head this [music] time, he"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "shouted out loud. He asked whoever was"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "behind these images to show him"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "something from beyond Earth, their"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "planet, another world, anything. And so,"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "the screen responded. A desert stretched"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "across the picture, sandy hills in every"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "direction and no plants anywhere. And in"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "the middle of this barren landscape was"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "an enormous statue of a humanoid figure"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "sitting with its arms crossed over its"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "knees and wearing an ornate cap. Now,"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "between the legs was a much smaller"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "structure with a set of double doors."}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "Standing in front of them was a small"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "humanoid figure wearing something like a"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "spacuit with material bunched around the"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "sleeves. It held what looked like a"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "pneumatic hammer attached to a hose. Lev"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "watched it struggle with the doors and"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "hesitate and then try again. He believed"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "he was looking at Mars. Lev was then"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "shown another image of what appeared to"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "be a lush savannah landscape. There were"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "short bushes and bright green grass and"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "in the foreground were grazing animals"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "that to Lev resembled dinosaurs. Some of"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "them had horse-shaped heads with long"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "necks, but they were all well"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "proportioned and very graceful looking."}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "Then lastly, Lev was shown an image of a"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "very powerful and built young man. And"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "sitting on his lap were three young"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "women, all of which were smiling and"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "looking around with curiosity. And after"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "that, the image faded. The interior of"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "the craft appeared one last time along"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "with the long-haired figure that Lev had"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "seen the night before. So he asked where"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "they came from and whether he would ever"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "see them again. But there was no spoken"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "answer. And instead, that same [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "feeling came back. Like clear and"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "definite knowledge had appeared inside"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "his mind from somewhere beyond him. They"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "were from Signis, belonging to the"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "constellation [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "of the swan. It was time for them to"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "leave. Leb didn't need to worry because"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "they would see him again. And just like"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "that, the screen faded to black. But"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "there's one detail about the television"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "that I have held back until now. This TV"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "wasn't necessarily broken, but rather"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "completely disconnected from power."}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "There was no cable, no antenna, no sort"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "of signal source attached to it. Meaning"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "that what happened should have been"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "completely impossible. Like there's no"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "way it should have even been possible."}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "But unfortunately, Lev had no answers."}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "And it wouldn't be until years later"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "when this experience would reach"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "researcher and author Albert Rosales,"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "where it would wind up in his 1994"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "humanoid sighting report. You can even"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "read the actual report yourself. I"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "pinned all the sources [music] in the"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "comments below. It's quite bizarre. Now,"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "as for what Lev experienced that night,"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "all of it remains a mystery. Nowadays,"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "analog broadcast towers are pretty much"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "obsolete. I mean, the majority of all"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "modern signals travel through fiber"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "optic, satellite, and server farms that"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "are pretty much the size of warehouses."}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "Not to mention that the general"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "infrastructure is so different and the"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "scale is incomprehensibly larger. But"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "that doesn't mean that the core"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "principles remain, right? Every signal"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "path does technically have a point of"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "interception, which means that every"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "screen could technically be a receiver."}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "I mean, it makes you wonder if something"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "like this could happen again. And"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "because you guys have made it this far,"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "I want you to all comment down below."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "Interception. So, that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. 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In 2008, an amateur"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "fossil collector named Kunyu Sai was"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "looking through an antique shop in Tynan"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "City in southern Taiwan where he noticed"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "five blackened teeth sticking out of its"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "dark brown jawbone. So he picked it up"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "and he looked a little closer and right"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "away he could see the thick bone was"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "unusually wide, like it had been sitting"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "in mud or sediment for a very long time."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "At first glance, it did look human, but"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "the proportions were heavy. The teeth"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "were clearly oversized, and where a"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "modern human jaw should have had a"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "distinct chin, this one kind of just"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "sloped backward. And so he asked the"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "shop owner where it had come from, but"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "he told him that the fisherman had"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "simply pulled it from the bottom of the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Pangu Channel, which is the stretch of"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "water right between Taiwan and mainland"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "China. Apparently, it had come up from"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "somewhere around 200 to 400 ft below the"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "surface, about 15 1/2 miles off Taiwan's"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "west coast. He did not ask any more"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "questions, but instead bought the"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "jawbone right there on the spot. Now,"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "ancient bones had actually been coming"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "out of the Pangu Channel for years. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "a fossil from the seafloor isn't really"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "as strange as it sounds. I mean during"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "the ice age sea levels were much lower"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "and a lot of the channel was actually"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "dry land which is why fishermen had also"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "recovered the remains of extinct land"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "animals from the same general area. Now"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "the reason why this jaw was significant"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "is not only because it was different but"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "because it clearly belonged somewhere in"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "what many believe to be the human family"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "which it's not exactly what you think"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "and we'll kind of cover that more later."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "Sai kept it in his own collection for a"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "while and then he eventually donated it"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "to Taiwan's National Museum of Natural"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "Science. And at that point, what he'd"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "found wasn't just an odd jawbone from an"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "antique shop anymore. This was a"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "scientific problem that somebody now had"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "to solve. Two years later, another"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Taiwanese fossil collector donated a"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "much larger collection to the same"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "museum. And most of those specimens were"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "animal remains with some of them also"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "coming from the Pangu Channel. But as"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "museum staff worked through the"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "collection, they found two bones that"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "were unmistakably human in shape. One"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "was part of a right femur from the"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "thigh, and the other was most of a right"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "tibia from a lower leg. Both were large,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "but the tibia had one additional detail"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "because there was this bulge on its"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "surface where an old injury had healed."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "So, whoever this person was had survived"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "an injury long enough for the bone to"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "repair itself. Now, you would think that"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "with a strange jawbone and two large leg"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "bones all pulled from the same area that"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "it would make the mystery easier, but it"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "actually created a much bigger problem"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "because nobody had recorded exactly when"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "or where the femur and tibia had been"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "collected. I mean, even the preservation"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "looked different, which suggested they'd"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "come from separate individuals and"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "possibly completely different periods of"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "time due to the vastness. I mean, these"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "could have easily just been three"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "unrelated bones that happened to end up"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "in the same area in the same museum. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "they were cataloged and size jaw became"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Pangu 1, the femur became Pangu 2, and"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "the healed tibia became Pangu 3. In"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "2015, an international team from Japan,"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Taiwan, and Australia formally examined"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "Pangu 1 with a researcher named Yuku Kyu"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "leading the work. And Kyu could"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "establish that the jaw belonged to the"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "genus Homo, which meant that it came"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "from a human, or at least what was"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "widely believed to be a close ancient"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "relative. But that was about as far as"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "the shape of the bone could possibly"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "take him because some features to them"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "resembled Homo erectus. But the complete"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "jaw didn't fit that classification. In"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "certain ways, it looked more primitive"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "than peaking man. And then other"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "features seemed closer to entirely"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "different human groups. So every"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "comparison moved the jaw toward one"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "branch of the family tree and then"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "pushed it away again. So, the team"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "simply needed something more direct than"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "appearance. And the first thing they"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "tried was DNA. If genetic material had"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "somehow survived in the fossil, it could"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "potentially identify the lineage. But"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "Taiwan's warm human environment had"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "simply destroyed it, and there was"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "nothing usable left to sequence. Then"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "they tried radiocarbon dating which"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "should have helped established when this"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "individual lived but the jaw had been"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "water logged for too long so there"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "wasn't really any reliable results and"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "even uranium dating didn't work because"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "seawater contamination had thrown that"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "method off as well. They couldn't find"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "anything to connect them to one known"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "group. But while those fossils stayed in"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "the museum, the methods used to study"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "ancient remains were actually changing."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "And so a decade later in 2025 and 2026,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "researchers from the University of Tokyo"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "and the University of Copenhagen had"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "another option. Instead of just looking"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "for DNA, they can now look for ancient"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "proteins using a method called"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "paleoproteomics. Proteins are tougher"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "than DNA, so they can survive longer in"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "warm and humid conditions. However, they"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "can't provide everything that you would"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "get from a genome. but their amino acid"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "sequences can still preserve biological"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "signatures that do separate one ancient"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "human group from another. So this time"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "the researchers examined all three pangu"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "fossils. And so they drilled into the"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "jaw, the femur and the tibia. They"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "collected small amounts of bone powder"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "and then ran those samples so that way"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "they could read the protein fragments"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "that were still there. And when they"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "were analyzed, the proteins in the jaw"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "carried a very particular variant"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "associated with one known ancient human"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "lineage. And in fact, that same variant"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "was also present in the femur and in the"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "tibia too. The signature did not belong"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "to Homo sapiens. It wasn't Neanderthal"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "or Neanderl or however they say it's"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "pronounced and it was not Homo erectus."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "These were not three unrelated human"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "fossils at all. And as a matter of fact,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Pangu 1, 2, and three all belonged to"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Dennis Sovens. Now, Dennis Soven had"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "only been recognized as a distinct"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "ancient human lineage in 2010 after DNA"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "from a single finger bone found in"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Dennisova cave in southern Siberia. It"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "revealed a population what they believed"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "to be related to Neanderthalss. And even"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "after that discovery, their physical"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "record was still incredibly small. Most"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "of the confirmed material consisted of"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "scattered bones and teeth from a cave in"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "Siberia and another one on the Tibetan"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "plateau. What scientists do know is that"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "Dennisovvens had powerful jaws, very"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "large teeth, and large brains. But what"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "they didn't have was a clear picture of"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "the body below the skull. And that is"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "exactly why Pangu 2 and three are"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "significant because these were the first"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "leg bones ever identified as"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "Dennisovven. And even though neither"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "bone was complete, researchers could"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "actually reconstruct their original"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "dimensions by comparing them with"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "similarly shaped bones from ancient and"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "modern humans. For example, the Pangu 2"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "femur was estimated to have measured"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "around 19.3 in long, which suggests that"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "the person was roughly 5' 11 in tall and"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "183 lb. Pangu 3, the tibia with the"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "healed injury, was estimated to have"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "measured around 17 in, which suggested"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "an individual about 6'3 and 201. Now,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "even though they're not necessarily"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "giants, compared with things like Homo"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "erectus from the same region, they were"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "roughly 8 to 12 in taller and 44 to 66"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "lb heavier. That means it placed them"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "among the largest known humans of the"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "entire ice age. The leg bone findings"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "were still awaiting peer review, so"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "those estimates remained provisional."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "These bones could show researchers"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "something the Dennis Soven fossil record"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "had never supplied before, that they"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "could show what two powerfully built"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "bodies looked like below the heavy jaws"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "and oversized teeth. Something also"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "interesting is that a chemical analysis"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "of the tibia pointed to a heavily"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "meat-based diet, which fits other"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "evidence that Dennisovvens hunted large"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "and sometimes dangerous animals. Before"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "the Pangu discoveries, though, confirmed"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "Denisovven fossils had come almost"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "entirely from cold, high alitude"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "environments. But these three had come"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "from what is now a warm subtropical"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "coastline. Which means that denisovvens"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "weren't simply cold climate specialists."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "They had spread from frozen Siberia and"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "the Tibetan plateau all the way to the"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "grasslands that once connected Taiwan to"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "mainland China. Those grasslands were"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "crossed by rivers and elephants and"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "tigers and horses and water buffalo all"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "moving across them. And somewhere across"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "that broader landscape, one large"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "Dennisovven injured their lower leg in a"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "way that left this permanent bulge in"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "the bone. What all of this means even"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "now in 2026 is that we are still"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "actively discovering remnants of our"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "past. And most importantly, what this"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "whole episode is themed on. And even now"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "in 2026, science continuously discovers"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "things that prove that what they thought"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "they knew about ancient human lineage"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "and even other species that existed"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "during this time isn't near as accurate"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "as they thought. And so if these bones"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "suggest that Dennisovvens were around"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "this area, who's to suggest that there"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "weren't larger bones of other human"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "variants, if you uh catch my drift, you"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "know, giants, because like I said,"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "around this time or what they dated,"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "these basically were giants around then,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "but not the traditional like 12t giants"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "a lot of us think of. But I mean, the"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "possibility is there. And in fact, that"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "leads us into our next couple segments."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "Sometime in the early 1900s, an Indian"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "pilgrim was 8 days into a journey"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "through the wilderness along the"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "northern border of Nepal when he heard a"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "low continuous rumble coming from"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "somewhere ahead of him. Now, up until"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "that point, the middle of the day had"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "been dead quiet and the pilgrim and his"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Nepali companions had been pushing"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "through vegetation that rose nearly 10"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "ft over their heads. I mean, in some"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "places it was so thick they could barely"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "see the sky. But now there was this low"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "sound coming from somewhere ahead of"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "them. And it didn't crack once and"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "disappear. It kept going. It was low and"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "steady like the ground itself was making"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "it. And the pilgrims initially assumed"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "that there had been an avalanche which"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "made sense because there were snow"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "covered peaks rising way above them. But"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "then he stopped walking and he really"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "listened and he noticed something inside"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "the sound. There was a kind of rhythmic"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "beat to it. the rumble stayed low and"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "steady, but that there was this"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "deliberate kind of rhythm. And if there"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "had to have been a rhythm, then that"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "means there were people producing it."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "So, he figured that there must be a"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "local tribe somewhere nearby. And so,"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "the group began moving toward the sound."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "Now, the pilgrim hadn't wandered into"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "this part of Nepal by accident. He'd"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "actually been traveling from India to"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "visit Tibetan monasteries along the"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "northern frontier. And it just so"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "happened that during this journey, his"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "Nepali's companions had told him about"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "enormous footprints that occasionally"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "appeared in snow and mud. The local men"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "called whatever left those prints the"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "snowman. And when a small armed party"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "began organizing to investigate these"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "tracks, the pilgrim joined them. He had"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "survived encounters with tigers and"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "elephants before. And his reasoning was"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "that whatever had left them couldn't be"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "worse than that. At least that's what he"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "had been telling himself before all of"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "this started happening. And so the party"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "continued forward and with every step"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "the rhythm grew in volume until it"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "wasn't a distant rumble anymore. The"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "sound seemed heavy enough to come"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "straight through the dense growth ahead"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "of them. And then one of the men looked"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "down and froze because pressed into the"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "soft clay were bare footprints that"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "looked human in shape. But each one was"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "about 2 feet long and they trailed away"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "in irregular lines toward the source of"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "the booming. The reaction of course was"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "immediate. The men began shouting that"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "these were snowmen. And then most of the"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "same people who had armed themselves and"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "spent 8 days coming out there to"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "investigate turned around and scattered"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "in the opposite direction. For a little"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "while, the jungle was just men pushing"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "through vegetation trying to get as far"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "back from those tracks as possible. And"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "eventually once the panic settled enough"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "for the party to regroup, there were"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "only two or three men who were willing"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "to continue. And the pilgrim was one of"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "them. So the three of them turned back"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "toward the tracks. And this time they"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "moved very slowly trying not to make any"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "more noise than they had to. But as they"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "crept deeper into the growth, the"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "rhythm, the beat, you know, just kept"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "coming. It was like boom, pause, boom,"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "pause. It was obviously too regular to"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "be an avalanche and it was too heavy to"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "sound like a drum. But somewhere ahead"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "of them, hidden behind the vegetation,"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "something kept striking at the same"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "place. And with every step the three men"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "took, it just got louder. And so"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "suddenly, one of them raised a hand and"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "he brought the others to a stop. Beyond"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "him was a natural ring of high rocks and"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "massive broken boulders. The booming was"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "coming from inside of it. And so the"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "three men lowered themselves, moved"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "close enough to look through the gaps,"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "and they stared into the ring. There"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "were figures inside, and not one or two"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "of them, roughly 10 gathered together in"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "a circle, and every one of them appeared"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "to be standing somewhere between 10 and"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "13 ft tall. One of them stood completely"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "upright beside a hollowedout tree trunk,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "and it raised both its arms and brought"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "its fist down against the wood. And when"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "it did, that same deep boom came out"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "through the rocks and into the jungle,"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "and the other figures moved with it."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "They swayed back and forth in unison,"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "all of them following the same beat. It"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "looked like there was some sort of"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "ritual or ceremony going on. The three"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "men just stayed hidden, and they"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "watched. And as they did, the pilgrim"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "began taking in the details that didn't"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "make sense. The figures were completely"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "unclothed despite the bitter cold at"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "that altitude. and their bodies were"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "covered in hair. But the longer he"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "looked at them, the harder it became to"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "see them as animals. The one striking"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "the tree was standing upright like a"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "human, and the others followed the same"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "beat with slow, deliberate movements."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "Nothing about their posture or behavior"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "looked animal to the pilgrim. He would"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "even later describe their faces as"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "falling somewhere between that of a"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "gorilla and the face of a man, but it"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "wasn't their size or the hair covering"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "their bodies that stayed with him. It"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "was the expression on their faces as"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "they moved together around that hollow"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "tree. The pilgrim noted that they looked"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "strangely sad. And so the men they"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "watched for a long time and without"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "calling out or trying to move any"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "closer, they backed away from the rocks"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "and left as quickly and quietly as they"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "could. The pilgrim insisted that no"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "human tribe lived in that part of the"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "mountains. He said that these beings"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "were known through the enormous"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "footprints they left behind and nobody"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "understood how they survived, what they"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "ate or where they sheltered. John"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "Marquez Rivier included this account in"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "his French book titled Lancretesa"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "Margie. The pilgrim was never named"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "although cryptozoolologist Bernard"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "Hulemans described him as well educated,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "familiar with many languages and"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "informed in both western learning and"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "the philosophy of his own country. Now,"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "obviously, none of that proves what"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "these three men saw inside the ring of"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "rocks. But according to the people who"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "lived there, the footprints were the"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "only reason people feared these beings"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "because they said that men and women"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "were occasionally carried away from"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "nearby settlements, and none of them"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "ever came back. Interestingly, there is"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "a tribe in Northern California that"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "refers to these kind of hairy upright"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "beings that they refer to as mountain"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "devils that would actually invade their"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "villages at night and steal their women"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "and children to devour and eat. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "if you think about it, if we're talking"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "about beings that are 10 to 13 ft tall,"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "I mean, just think of the amount of"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "calories they need to sustain, what kind"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "of food source is going to allow them to"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "survive. I don't know about you guys,"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "but I can't help but think that there's"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "more on the menu than just wild game."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "But as you'll see in this next section,"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "these kind of accounts aren't as"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "isolated as you might think. On the"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "morning of June 28th of 1965,"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "two brothers named Ron and Lauren Welch"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "were working their way through the high"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "country north of Pit Lake in British"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "Columbia, Canada. Ron and Lauren were"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "prospectors, which meant that they spent"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "their summers hiking deep into the"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "mountains with food, tools, and sample"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "bags strapped to their backs, and they"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "were looking for any sign of gold or"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "minerals in the creek beds and rock"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "faces. It was slow, lonely work, but"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "they were good at it, and they liked"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "being isolated. Now, Pit Lake sits at"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "the bottom of this deep glacial valley"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "with steep forested mountains rising up"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "on every side. And once you climbed out"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "of that valley and into the high"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "country, there weren't any roads,"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "cabins, or trails. I mean, you could"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "walk out for days and never see another"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "soul. So, if something went wrong, well,"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "you're pretty much so. Now, at this"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "time, both brothers were climbing toward"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "the top of a valley, well above the tree"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "line, crossing big open stretches of"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "snow. When Lauren suddenly stopped and"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "he pointed at the ground up ahead of"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "them, he could see that there were"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "tracks in the snow. Now, Ron initially"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "assumed that somebody else was up there."}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "But if that was the case, how come they"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "hadn't seen so much as a bootprint? So,"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "after the brothers walked over and, you"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "know, had a look at it, it was evident"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "that these were actual footprints shaped"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "like a human foot with a heel, a ball,"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "and toes. And they were unmistakably"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "two-legged. And judging by the patterns,"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "left, right, left, right, you know, one"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "foot planted in front of the other,"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "running in a line up the valley. But as"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "they're looking at this, it's not it's"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "not computing because the prints were"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "enormous. And so Ron crouched down next"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "to one and he set his own boot down"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "inside of it just to be sure that his"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "eyes weren't playing tricks on him. And"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "his boot looked like a child's shoe"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "sitting in there because the print was 2"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "feet long heel to toe. Now, because of"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "how strange this was, the only thing the"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "brothers could surmise is that this had"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "to be the work of a bear. And that's"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "because a black bear's hindfoot does"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "look surprisingly human. However, the"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "closer they inspected it, there were"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "enough differences in them that they"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "retracted that guess. Bear tracks come"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "in sets of four, front paws and hind"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "paws, and they show claw marks out past"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "the toes. There were no claw marks here."}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "There were no front feet. Whatever left"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "these prints was walking upright on two"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "legs the whole way up the valley. So"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "Lawrence stepped into one of the prints"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "and he reached his leg out for the next"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "one, but he couldn't even get there. He"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "actually had to jump to land in it"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "because the stride between those prints"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "was twice the length of his own steps."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "It wasn't a running stride either. They"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "were clean and even like whatever had"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "made them was just out for a casual walk"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "and covering twice the ground they"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "could. But easily the most chilling"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "detail is that running alongside the"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "prince was a second impression. It was"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "wide, flattened, like something broad"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "had been dragged across the surface. So,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "the brothers decided to walk along it,"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "trying to work out what could have left"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "a mark like that. And it wasn't a sled"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "because a sled leaves runners. And it"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "[clears throat] wasn't a log because a"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "dragged log digs in and plows the snow"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "up. This was smooth and shallow and"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "wide. And neither of them could come up"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "with a single thing that would leave it."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "It didn't make any sense. I think"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "anybody who spent real time in the back"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "country knows that you can be afraid of"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "something and still need to know what"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "made it. So, they told themselves that"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "whatever had left these tracks was"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "probably long gone and they started"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "following them. The tracks never"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "wandered, looped, circled, or drifted."}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "They just ran in a straight line up the"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "valley like whatever made them knew"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "exactly where it was going. The prince"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "let up over a rise and on the other side"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "the brothers found a small frozen pond"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "tucked into a bowl between two peaks."}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "And out near the center of the pond was"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "a large hole smashed through the ice."}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "The brothers stood at the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "pond staring at the opening and trying"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "to understand what could have broken"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "through the ice near its center. And"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "behind them in the snow was that second"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "question. What had made the wide"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "impression beside the tracks? They had"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "no idea. And so they began circling the"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "pond, studying the ice in the shoreline"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "as they moved. And they'd gotten maybe a"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "third of the way around when Lauren"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "suddenly grabbed Ron's arm. On the far"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "side of the pond, something was"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "standing. And the first thing Ron did"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "was try to explain it. He thought,"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "\"Well, that's a stump. It's a rock.\" But"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "they were above the tree line, so there"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "weren't any up there. It was open snow,"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "bare rock, and there was this dark shape"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "standing right there. But it barely"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "moved. It was just kind of a small shift"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "of its weight from one side to the other"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "and every hair on Ron's body stood up."}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "It was evident that this was not a bear."}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "This was planted upright with its"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "shoulders squared and its arms hanging"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "at its sides. Now, if you've ever tried"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "to guess how big something is at a"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "distance with nothing next to it, your"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "eyes just can't do it. But the brothers"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "had studied those footprints and the"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "stride, so they knew it wasn't small."}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "Ron figured that this thing stood maybe"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "12 feet tall while Lauren's estimate was"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "even higher at 12 to 14 ft. But those"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "estimates don't make any sense. Now,"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "because neither had a camera, they knew"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "that the moment they walked out of the"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "mountains and told their story, nobody"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "was going to believe it. So, they knew"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "they had to do something. So, Ron sat"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "down right there on the frozen ground"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "and he pulled some paper out of his pack"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "and he began to sketch it. At first, his"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "hands weren't steady, but he slowly"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "worked piece by piece and was able to"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "sketch the enormous shoulders, which"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "were far wider than any man's. And the"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "whole body was covered in this auburn"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "colored hair that looked reddish brown"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "in the light. Heavy over the head and"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "shoulders and noticeably thinner down"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "the arms. And the arms were so long they"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "hung down to the figure's knees. And at"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "the end of the arms were the hands. And"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "the hands were the detail that Ron just"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "could not get over because they were the"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "size of canoe paddles. Going further"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "down where the hair thinned out, the"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "brothers could see the skin underneath"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "and it looked thick, worn, and heavily"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "calloused. Both of them kept very low"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "and quiet while he sketched it out and"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "Ron had to keep track of the breeze"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "coming across the pond because if it"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "shifted and carried their scent across"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "the water, he had no idea what would"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "happen next. The entire time this was"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "happening, the figure that was across"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "the pond had been almost completely"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "still, and they assumed that it hadn't"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "noticed them. And once he was done, he"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "folded the sketch into his jacket, and"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "the brothers started backing away from"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "the pond. And the entire time, they were"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "very careful and deliberate, and they"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "kept their eyes on the far shore until"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "the rise of the shoreline finally cut"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "this thing out from view. Now,"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "interestingly, later on, the brothers"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "went back, but there was nothing up"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "there, rock, and wind. like nothing had"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "ever happened. They never saw that being"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "again, and nobody's ever explained that"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "part. Whatever Ron and Lauren Welch"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "stood and stared at across that frozen"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "pond on June 28th of 1965, we'll"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "probably never know the truth. But it"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "does sound an awfully lot like what they"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "encountered in this next section. In"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "November of 2005, three construction"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "workers spent the day building a fish"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "pond outside of Kun, Maui, which is a"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "village in the southern Malaysian state"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "of Johor. Now, the pond was supposed to"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "help the community. And even though the"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "men were hot and exhausted, they had"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "already come so far that they decided to"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "keep working and try to finish before"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "sunset. Now, their village sat at the"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "edge of dense tropical jungle that"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "continued for miles. And late that"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "afternoon, while two of the men were"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "still working, the third man stepped"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "away and he sat down on a nearby stump"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "and he took a drink of water. The other"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "two workers were facing him when his"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "expression suddenly changed. His eyes"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "went wide and his mouth dropped open."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "And then the bottle slipped out of his"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "hand. He didn't say anything or point."}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "He just sat staring past them, frozen."}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "And so the two men slowly turned around"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "and they saw that something big was"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "emerging from the treeine. The"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "arrangement was familiar enough though"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "to make sense. There were two adults and"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "a child moving together like a family."}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "But as they came into full view, they"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "were not human. The adults appeared to"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "stand somewhere between 8 to 10 ft. They"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "were covered in brown skin and coarse"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "hair. And obviously the child was"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "smaller, but clearly belonged with them."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "And all three of them gave a smell so"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "powerful that it reached the workers"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "from where they stood. Once the spell of"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "shock broke, they tried to follow them."}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "But the three of these figures moved"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "quickly into the underbrush and almost"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "immediately the forest, you know,"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "jungle, whatever, swallowed them. So"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "they returned to the place where the"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "family had appeared and in the mud they"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "found footprints. Some were large, some"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "were small, as though different sized"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "individuals had crossed that spot"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "together. And one of the larger"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "impressions actually measured nearly 18"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "in from heel to toe. Now eventually word"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "reached local officials and when they"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "came to Campunai"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "they examined the evidence and"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "considered the sighting very credible."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "Now even then this was still an account"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "from three laborers supported by"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "impressions in the mud. But once"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "officials began really looking into it"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "other people from the area started"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "coming forward. Ratten collectors who"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "worked deeper in the forest described"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "smaller beings. Although the figures"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "they reported were blackskinned,"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "longarmed, and about 10 ft tall. Then"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "additional tracks were found in the mud,"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "and these did not stop after a few steps"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "near the village. They continued for"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "more than a kilometer, with each"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "impression measuring between 16 and 20"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "in in length. Now, to the officials"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "examining them, the consistency alone"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "made a simple hoax very difficult to"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "accept. And so, not really knowing what"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "to do, it wasn't until 3 months later in"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "February of 2006 that a team actually"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "entered the jungle right near Kota"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "Tingi. Now, this group included a"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "Singapore-based research organization,"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "Australian tracker Tony Burke, and a"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "film crew from Los Angeles. At this"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "point, Burke was already a skeptic, and"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "he wanted to see these things alive for"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "himself. And on the first afternoon,"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "they traveled up river to inspect tracks"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "that had been found right near a creek"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "in January. But weeks of tropical rain"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "had of course washed them away, and wild"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "boar had torn through whatever remained."}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "So, the first location gave them nothing"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "they could use. Now, with only about 2"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "hours left before sunset, it looked as"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "though the jungle had erased the"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "evidence before the expedition ever"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "reached it. But then a local trucker"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "named Kong Cam Choi led the group to one"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "more location. It was a grove near a"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "palm oil plantation at the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "jungle. The area was thick with leeches,"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "and Choy had previously found unusual"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "tracks there that he could not identify."}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "Now, in a muddy puddle on the forest"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "floor, the team happened to find an"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "enormous single footprint. And so when"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "they measured it, it was roughly 19 in"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "and 11 in wide, and it had been pressed"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "about 4 in into the mud. There was a"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "stick that lay crushed beneath one of"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "the toe impressions, which meant that it"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "had been on the ground before whatever"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "made the print step down. That might be"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "obvious, but the reason why it's"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "important is because it made the team"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "look directly above it. Tree branches"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "almost 11 ft overhead had been freshly"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "damaged. Some were snapped, others had"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "been bent downward as if something very"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "tall had grabbed them for balance while"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "crossing the mud. And based on the depth"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "of the impression, Burke estimated that"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "an animal would need to weigh at least"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "530 lbs to press that far into the"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "ground. But the team still only had one"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "footprint. If it rained again, it could"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "be destroyed. So, in order to document"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "it as best they could, they opened a"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "police crime scene kit and they began"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "making a cast. They first stabilized it"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "with hairspray and then they mixed quick"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "setting plaster and poured it into the"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "depression. Now the first bag did not"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "fill it. Neither did the second. And by"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "the time the impression was full, they"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "had used three bags containing three lbs"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "of plaster. Then they waited for it to"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "set. When the plaster finally hardened"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "and the shape came free of the mud, it"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "was not simply an oversized human"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "footprint. It was a wide flat foot with"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "four rounded toes and a large"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "gorilla-like big toad jutting from the"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "side. The team recovered only that one"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "print, but a nearby plantation owner"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "told them that his workers had been"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "reporting something else from the same"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "forest at night. These long drawn out"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "cries in three distinct pitches, kind of"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "like wild pig squeals layered over deep"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "gibbon barks, but not like any owl or"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "other animal they recognized. And the"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "coals were accompanied by heavy crashing"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "as though large bodies were forcing"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "their way through the undergrowth and"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "the different pitches suggested that at"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "least three separate beings or creatures"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "were involved. After the expedition, Mr."}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "Burke said he was 50% convinced. What he"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "had seen in the mud, he could not easily"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "explain. Unfortunately, they were never"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "able to find a living specimen. Now, at"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "the very beginning of the video, there"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "was just a jawbone pulled from a drowned"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "landscape. And for years, nobody could"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "really say what kind of human that it"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "belonged to. Now, science has given that"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "jaw and the two leg bones a name, as you"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "know, Dennisovven. And if the current"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "size estimates are true, they were some"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "of the largest and [music] most"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "powerfully built humans of the time."}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "Now, that does not prove the pilgrim in"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "Nepal, the Welsh brothers in Canada, or"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "the workers in Malaysia encountered"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "anything related to them. But it does"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "mean that a lost human lineage or at"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "least partly human built differently"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "from us and spread across an enormous"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "part of the world is no longer"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "speculation. It's real. So the real"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "question is, are all of these encounters"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "fabricated or are these stories just"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "distorted memories of something that"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "vanished many years ago? Are they"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "encounters with an animal that science"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "hasn't documented? Or are they all just"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "unrelated mysteries that only seem"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "connected when we look at them side by"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "side? And the most important question"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "is, if we ever do find enough evidence"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "to really prove once and for all that"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "there is an answer to this, will science"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "ever publicly acknowledge it? Because"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "what if that answer changes all written"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "history? For right now, all of it"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "remains a mystery. at least for the most"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "part. And because you guys made it this"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "far, I want you to all comment down"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "below Dennis Soven's. So that way I know"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "who made it to the end and who didn't."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "And if you guys enjoy this kind of"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "content where we deep dive into strange"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "cases of the mysterious and"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "supernatural, what are you waiting for?"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "Smack that like and subscribe button"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "right now for more content just like"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "this. And as always, I love you all."}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "Keep an open mind and I'll see you guys"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "in the very next video."}]

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On"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "March 24th of 1998, a Vietnamese man"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "named Tran was out for a walk beside"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "Hoan Kiem Lake in downtown Hanoi when he"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "looked across the murky water and he"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "noticed the surface beginning to ripple."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Tran hadn't come there looking for"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "anything unusual. He was just walking"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "when something broke through the water."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "And the first thing he could make out"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "was a head. Now, on its own, a head"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "breaking the surface of the lake wasn't"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "strange, but for a moment, that's really"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "all he had was a head above murky water"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "with the rest of whatever it belonged to"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "still [music] hidden underneath. But"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "then, more of the body started coming up"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "and it just kept coming until what Tran"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "was looking at appeared to be longer"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "than he was tall. 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And as even"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "more of its body came to the surface,"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "Tran raised the video camera that he"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "happened to be carrying and [music] he"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "started filming. The footage was shaky"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "and it was obviously amateur, but that"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "didn't make the animal disappear into a"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "blur or turn into some vague shadow on"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "the water. 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Instead, tangled in"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "the mesh was the bare blade of a sword."}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "There wasn't a hilt attached to it."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "There was really nothing that Le Than"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "could do with it. So, he forced the"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "blade from the net. He let it go back"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "into the water, and he cast again. But,"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "when he hauled the net in for a second"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "time, the same blade was tangled inside"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "of it. Now, the first catch could have"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "been bad luck, and even the second, as"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "strange as it was, could have been"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "explained away by him just dropping his"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "net into the same area of water. So, he"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "freed the blade again, cast his net a"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "third time, and pulled. And sure enough,"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "the blade was there a third time. And"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "so, this time, he stopped trying to"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "leave it in the lake, and he kept the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "blade, and he brought it home. But, this"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "wasn't some magical weapon, or even a"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "complete sword. It was really just a"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "blade. Now, at this time in Vietnam, it"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "was under a brutal occupation by the"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Chinese Ming army. A nobleman's son"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "named Le Loi was leading a small"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "guerrilla resistance called the Lam Son"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "army, which had only around 500"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "volunteers. They were using hit-and-run"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "attacks against the Ming, but the"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "resistance was really struggling. And"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "sometime after bringing the blade home,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "Le Than joined them. And so, one night,"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "Le Loi went to visit [music] Le Than in"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "his quarters, and as soon as he stepped"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "inside, he noticed that there was this"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "light coming from the wall. It was the"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "sword blade. The piece of metal that Le"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Than had pulled out of the lake three"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "times was glowing. So, Le Loi moved"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "closer, and he saw two words etched into"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "the metal. And the words themselves"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "seemed to be giving off light. Roughly"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "translated, they said, \"Heaven"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "approves.\" Now, for a man leading 500"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "volunteers against an occupying army, I"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "mean, it would have been very difficult"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "to look at that and just see a random"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "piece of metal, but there was still a"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "very obvious problem. The blade had no"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "hilt. Whatever this thing was supposed"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "to become, it was not yet complete. But"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "then, just days later, while Lê Lợi and"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "his men [music] were retreating, he"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "noticed another light. But this one was"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "not coming from a wall or anywhere on"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "the ground. It was shining from inside"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "[music] the canopy of a banyan tree. And"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "when they brought it down, Lê Lợi saw it"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "was a jeweled sword hilt with the same"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "words etched into it, \"Heaven approves.\""}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "So, they brought the hilt back to the"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "blade, they slid the two pieces"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "together, and like a Cinderella story,"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "they fit perfectly. That's when Lê Thận"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "knelt in front of Lê Lợi, handed him the"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "completed sword, and swore his"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "allegiance to both [music] Lê Lợi and"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "the resistance. Now that he had the"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "sword, what he still didn't know was how"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "either piece had reached him. And once"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "word of this magical weapon began to"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "spread, the Lam Sơn Army exploded in"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "size. What had started with around 500"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "volunteers eventually [music] grew to an"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "army of 350,000,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "reinforced with horses [music] and"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "elephants. There's some versions of the"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "story that go even further and say the"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "sword made Lê Lợi grow taller and gave"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "him superhuman strength. But either way,"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "you get the gist. The resistance won."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "And so, by 1427, the Ming forces had"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "been defeated, China had recognized"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "Vietnam's independence, and Lê Lợi"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "[music] was declared emperor. Now, at"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "that point, it would make sense for Lê"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Lợi to keep the sword forever. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "this was the weapon tied to his victory"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "and to Vietnam's independence and the"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "fact that it's supposedly magical, but"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "not long after the war, Lê Lợi went out"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "onto the lake in Hanoi in a boat and"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "something rose out of the water in front"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "of him. It was the golden turtle. But"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "now there's one part of the legend I've"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "left out until right now. This turtle"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "wasn't a random turtle. There's legend"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "that says the Dragon King had been"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "watching the occupation from his"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "underwater palace and [music] he had"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "sent the golden turtle as his messenger"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "to deliver a magical sword chosen"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "[music] specifically for Lê Lợi. The"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "fact that he found the blade and the"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "hilt was their supernatural delivery."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "And now that Vietnam was independent,"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "the sword's job was finished. In one"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "version of the legend, the golden turtle"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "politely asks Lê Lợi to return it and"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "the emperor hands it over. In another"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "version, the turtle simply reaches out"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "and plucks it from his belt, but either"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "way the sword is taken, the turtle goes"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "beneath the surface [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "and returns it to the gods. After that,"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "Lê Lợi renamed the lake to Hoàn Kiếm and"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "the legend became Vietnam's founding"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "myth taught in its school books and"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "performed in theaters. Today in English,"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "it means the lake of the returned sword."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "And while, you know, that's that's a"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "cute little story, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "people over the years that kept"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "reporting enormous turtles in the water."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "[music] On June 2nd of 1967,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "an unnamed fisherman at Hoàn Kiếm Lake"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "in Hanoi was ordered to net a large"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "turtle that people had actually seen in"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "the water and so he did. He caught the"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "turtle, he brought it onto the shore,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "but then he beat it with a crowbar and"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "the turtle died from its injuries. I"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "know, dark. Now the animal was enormous,"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "it weighed around 440 lb [music] and"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "measured more than 6 ft long. And"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "afterward, its body was preserved and"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "put on display in the Temple of the Jade"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "Mountain, which sits on a small island"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "in the lake and it's still there today"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "with the plaque beside it that says the"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "animal was believed to be more than 500"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "years [music] old. Turtles can live for"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "a really long time, so in theory, an"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "animal that old could have simply been"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "alive when the lake's legend began, but"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "the keyword on that plaque was believed"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "and the body itself could prove only one"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "thing, that one enormous turtle had"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "lived in Hoan Kiem Lake until 1967, but"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "unfortunately, it couldn't prove that"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "another one was still alive. Now, for"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "centuries after Le Loi, people had"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "continued to report enormous [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "turtles in the lake, but most of them"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "were dismissed as superstition and the"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "turtle was treated as a symbol from a"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "legend, not as some animal that science"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "had somehow missed. Now, eventually,"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "cryptozoology field guides began"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "cataloging the Hoan Kiem turtle"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "alongside Bigfoot, the Loch Ness"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "Monster, chupacabra. For them, this was"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "[music] a cryptid colonian, basically an"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "unproven turtle. And as far as actual"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "zoology was concerned, it was no more"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "credible than [music] Sasquatch. But one"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "man who looked at all of this disagreed."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "There was a biology professor at Hanoi"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "National University named Ha Dinh Duc,"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "who quietly began studying the lake and"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "compiling its sighting records. The more"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "reports he gathered, the more convinced"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "he became that the turtles were real and"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "represented a species that were unknown"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "to science."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "Now, eventually, he did catalog more"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "than 30 sightings, but that's all they"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "were, were just, you know, first,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "second-handed accounts, no photographs"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "or film or evidence. But in December of"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "1996,"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "witnesses standing near the lake saw a"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "swarm of bubbles that spread across the"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "surface and a flipper broke through"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "first and then part of a shell rose"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "behind it and the witnesses estimated"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "that the full shell was around 40 inches"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "across. And then the head appeared"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": ">> and everybody could see that it was"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "green and yellow, around the size of a"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "football, with a wide mouth that turned"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "down at the edges. And on a separate"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "occasion, this animal came within 7 ft"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "of the shore, and it slowly moved its"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "head from side to side as if it were"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "looking over the crowd. These were very"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "specific, vivid encounters. People were"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "describing the color, the shape, and how"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "close it came to shore. [music] But"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "still, there was no tangible evidence."}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "It wasn't until the 1998 footage that"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "really [music] helped validate all of"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "this. But what it didn't settle was"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "whether this was a known species or"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "something that science simply had never"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "identified. Duck even told reporters"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "that he believed the One Kim Turtle was"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "the largest freshwater turtle in the"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "world, and that it could grow longer"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "than 6 [music] ft and weigh more than"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "440 lb. Now, after comparing it with the"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "other turtles around the world, Duck"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "believed he could see real differences."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "He hoped further study would show that"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "this was a new species found only in One"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "Kim Lake. Now, fast forward ahead at"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "1:30 in the afternoon on March 2nd of"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "2002, [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "and a 33-year-old woman stood near the"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "lake with a few dozen other people and"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "watched a turtle's head bob above the"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "surface [music] for about 15 minutes."}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "But even during that time, most of the"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "animal remained below the water. And"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "then, on March 14th, a turtle did"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "surface. And this time, instead of"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "showing only its head or part of its"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "shell, it actually [music] crawled out"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "of the water to bask. And it was such a"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "big deal that hundreds crowded along the"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "western bank and watched as the entire"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "turtle came into view. It appeared to"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "have [music] a soft shell. It measured"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "about 6 and 1/2 ft long and was"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "estimated to weigh around 400 lb. It was"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "that event that Duck would formally name"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "this animal Rafetus leloyi after Emperor"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "leloyi. He argued that it was a distinct"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "species found only in this very lake."}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "But other scientists, of [music] course,"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "disagreed. They believed that the turtle"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "was Rafetus swinhoei, a rare"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "soft-shelled species that had already"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "been described in 1873. Now, at this"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "point, nobody was arguing whether it"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "actually existed, but over which"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "scientific name belonged to the animal."}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "By the early 2000s, no more than nine"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "living animals could be confirmed in the"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "group most researchers classified as"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "Rafetus swinhoei. Six of them were"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "living in Chinese zoos or temples. The"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "rest were still somewhere in the wild in"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "lakes across [music] Vietnam. Years"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "earlier, Suzhou Zoo had placed two of"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "them together in an attempt to reproduce"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "offspring, [music] but both turned out"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "to be male, and so they fought violently"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "that one of them was killed. But there"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "were more deaths to come. Like at"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "[clears throat] a Beijing Zoo, one died"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "in 2005, and another at the Shanghai Zoo"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "in 2006. Conservationists were starting"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "to panic thinking that there were no"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "female [music] left. But in January of"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "2007, a conservation bulletin was sent"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "across to zoos [music] all across China"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "asking them to take another look at any"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "large soft-shelled turtles that they had"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "never properly identified. Officials at"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "Changsha Zoo realized they actually had"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "one. The turtle had been purchased from"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "a traveling circus in 1949 [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "and had actually lived at the zoo for"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "decades without anybody knowing exactly"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "what it was. With [music] this new"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "information, researchers rushed to"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Changsha and examined it. And they"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "discovered that it was not simply"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "another Rafetus swinhoei. It was a"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "fertile female, the only known female of"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "the species alive on Earth. The turtle"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "became known as China Girl and suddenly"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "a captive breeding program that had been"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "impossible was now possible. Now"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "eventually a conservation task force"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "ended up brokering a deal and so the"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "enclosure at Suzhou would be rebuilt for"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "breeding. China Girl's transportation"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "and insurance would be covered and in"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "May of 2008 she was placed inside a foam"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "padded wooden crate and driven 600 miles"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "from Changsha [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "to Suzhou. The following morning China"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "Girl was released into one half of the"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "modified breeding pond. The old male was"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "given the other half with a fence"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "dividing [music] them. And at first the"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "two could only inspect each other"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "through the barrier and after what had"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "happened during the earlier breeding"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "attempt nobody knew what would happen if"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "the fence came down. But there was no"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "aggression [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "so they removed the fence and over the"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "following week they began courting and"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "mating. And on June 6th China Girl"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "climbed onto the sandy beach beside the"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "pond, [music] dug a nest and deposited"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "45 eggs. Sadly none of them hatched but"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "later that year she laid a second clutch"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "of 60 eggs and none of those hatched"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "either. By this point conservationists"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "confirmed that from what they knew there"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "were only four of these animals left on"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Earth. In Vietnam one remained in one"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Kim and would become known as Gua Sua or"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "Great Grandfather Turtle. Now while that"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "breeding program was unfolding in China"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "one of the remaining turtles had already"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "come within hours [music] of death in"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "Vietnam. And just to be clear this was"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "not Gua Sua. This was a different turtle"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "that lived almost 16 miles from Hanoi in"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "a lake called Dong Mo. In November of"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "2008 a former fisherman named Nguyen Van"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "Chuc would be hired as the local"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "conservation monitor at Dong Mo. And it"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "got word through his local network that"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "there was a very large turtle that had"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "been spotted [music] in flooded fields"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "downstream. And by then, catastrophic"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "flooding had hit northern Vietnam. And"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "in Hanoi, some streets had actually"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "vanished beneath more than 3 ft of"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "water. But at the same time, there was a"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "local dam that was still under"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "construction, and it had broke. And so"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "over the following few days, the water"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "level surrounding the lakes had [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "dropped somewhere between 10 and 13 ft."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "Now, inside all of that moving water,"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "the Dunmo turtle had been swept"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "downstream, carried out into the flooded"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "rice fields, and deposited nearly 2 mi"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "from the dam. Truong mobilized a"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "conservation team from Hanoi, picked a"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "bottleneck near a road bridge, and so"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "then the team then stretched [music] a"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "large net across the water, so that way"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "if the turtle kept moving with the"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "retreating flood water, they had a"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "chance [music] to intercept it. Then"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "they started searching. And for the next"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "week, the team worked through the"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "flooded fields as water slowly"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "retreated. And every day, they couldn't"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "find it. Now, they were not the only"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "people looking. Others in the area"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "started setting nets, too, and they were"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "trying to catch the [music] same animal."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "By the 26th of that month, another"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "fisherman named Nguyen Van Truong had"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "actually caught the turtle alive, and"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "then a restaurant owner in Hanoi offered"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "him nearly five grand. By the time"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "authorities and negotiators were"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "standing in front of him, this wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "simple recovery. He had the turtle, he"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "had a buyer, and he wasn't going to give"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "the animal up. So he held the"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "authorities back with a stick. In one"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "moment, he threatened [music] to sell"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "the turtle. The next, he threatened to"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "kill it. Now, the legal situation was"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "really murky because this wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "[music] protected animal species, and"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "people standing in front of him were"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "left trying to persuade him. And after"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "about 8 hours of negotiation, he agreed"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "to a deal. He accepted around $200 and a"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "set of replacement fishing nets, and he"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "handed over the turtle. It was then"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "wrapped in tarp [music] and then six"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "people lifted it and they carried it"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "through a crowd to a truck that was"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "already idling nearby. But by the time"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "they reached the water, night was"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "beginning to fall. And at the water's"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "edge, the turtle was lowered in and for"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "a moment it hesitated because it seemed"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "stunned. So, you know, they splashed"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "water over its head and then it moved"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "forward, slipped into the lake and then"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "swam out and was gone. Back at One Kim"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "Lake, the giant turtle that people"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "called Gùsùa [music] or Great"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "Grandfather Turtle was still alive, but"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "by 2010, the lake around it had been"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "deteriorating for years at this point."}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "Raw sewage and chemical pollutants were"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "entering the water and you had centuries"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "of silt that had reduced parts of the"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "lake to shallow mud and almost [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "the entire shoreline had been paved"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "over. During the dry season, the lake"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "became thick, stagnant, green sludge. In"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "September of 2010, Gùsùa resurfaced with"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "what appeared to be a fish hook lodged"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "in its shell. In December, it appeared"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "again with a very ugly open wound that"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "was visible. In February of 2011, the"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "normally shy animal tried to haul itself"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "out of the water in front of a crowd,"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "which was very unusual behavior and it"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "suggested that Gùsùa was either sick or"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "under severe stress. An emergency"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "committee formed to get the turtle out"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "of the lake and treat it. And on March"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "8th, divers and small boats surrounded"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "Gùsùa"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:41", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:42", "text": ">> with a large net. And for a moment, it"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "looked like they had it, but as the net"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "closed, the soft-shelled turtle used its"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "size and strength to tear through it and"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "it escaped. Months later on April 3rd,"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "they tried again with the military"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "involved. They encircled it, they"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "trapped it in the net and moved it"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "through the lake suspended in a cage"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "between two boats. And as they carried"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "it toward Turtle Island, the men on"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "board sang military songs. Then a"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "specially built crane lifted Gù Sùa from"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "the water and lowered [music] it into a"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "floating circular tank where treatment"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "began. Their job was then to try and"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "repair the lake, so fresh water was"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "delivered by a tanker, and it was at"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "this point that the water's quality"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "significantly improved. On July 12th, Gù"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Sùa was returned, and for a brief"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "moment, it looked like it might work."}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "But, nearly 5 years later, on the"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "afternoon of January 19th of 2016,"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "there were reports that a carcass was"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "floating in the lake. Photos appeared on"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Vietnamese media [music] sites and then"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "quickly vanished while authorities"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "prepared a response. But, there was no"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "way to hide what those photos showed. Gù"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "Sùa was dead. The last confirmed"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "sighting had only been a few weeks"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "earlier. During the 2011 rescue, though,"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "a genetic analysis was conducted,"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "and the results were said to show that"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "Gù Sùa was female and genetically"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "distinct [music] from the Chinese"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "turtles. But, those results were never"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "formally announced or published in any"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "peer-reviewed journal, so they never"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "really settled much. Meanwhile, the"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "breeding program in China produced"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "hundreds of eggs without a single"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "offspring. You know, there have been"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "scattered unconfirmed reports from"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "remote lakes and swamps [music] in"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "northern Vietnam, so it's possible that"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "another turtle survives somewhere, but"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "possible is not confirmed. Now, all of"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "this aside, was there really an enormous"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "turtle living in Hoan Kiem Lake? Well,"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "yes, we know that now. But, it's unclear"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "if Gù Sùa was a unique species found"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "only in that lake. It truly makes you"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "wonder, what other animals that were"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "said to be legend [music] are actually"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "existing right now, this very second?"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "And because you guys made it this far, I"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "want you to all comment down below,"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "giant turtles. So, that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. And"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "if you guys enjoy storytelling like"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "this, where we deep dive [music] into"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "strange cases of the mysterious and"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "sometimes supernatural, what are you"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "content just like this. And as always, I"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "love you all. Keep an open mind and I'll"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "see you guys in the very next episode."}]

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He the ET said, \"We need your"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "help and we need you to stand down these"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "systems and we need to go beyond you"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "know all these weapons and this you know"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "nuclear and atomic weapons.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "says, \"Well, what's in it for me?\" Like"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "that. Now, he's a young Air Force"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "colonel. And the ET says,"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "\"A new world if you can take it.\" Now,"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "one of the things that Neil Armstrong"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "was overheard saying, and this was"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "reported in Timothy Good's book, Above"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Top Secret,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> is that"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "Neil Armstrong stated that we were"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "essentially warned off the moon. And it"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "turned out they were us"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "from 500,000 years in the future. They"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "were our children's children's"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "children's"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "way up right 20,000 generations. And"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "what they said was if you don't get"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "control of this and fix this problem of"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "you fighting and using higher and higher"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "technologies and these nuclear weap"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "as flying saucer reports spread around"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "the world Gordon Kiteon of the British"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Foreign Service was comparing sharing"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "notes with his friend, the astronomer J."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "Allen Highneck."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> Of course, we now know, by the way, we"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "now know that the Stalin was quicker off"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "the mark than the Americans were because"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "you probably know the story of this star"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "in Stalin became aware of at a very"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "early date in 47 after the story after"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "Arnold and Stalin was collecting reports"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "from all over the place. And one day he"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "called in their top uh a young"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "astronomer that you remember named uh"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "uh Corov Corv"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "and uh showed him all these reports"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "and Stalin said to him, \"Sit down there"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "and look at that. What do you think"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "about it?\" And apparently Coral off"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "said, \"Well, can I take it home and look"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "at it?\" And Stalin said, \"No, you're"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "going to sit here in the criminal."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "because until I you're going to stay"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "here until I get your answer."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "So apparently he gave him the answer. He"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "said, \"Yes, it's um"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "it's not of this world. It's not of this"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "earth. It's not terrestrial.\""}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "Uh and then Stalin apparently wanted him"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "to take over control of it. You"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "remember? And Coralov said he said,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "\"Well, if you don't mind, I'm an"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "astronomer and baptist and I don't"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "really want to do that.\" And of course"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "he went on to be the head of the whole"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "Soviet uh rocket program. Had a very"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "tremendous career."}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "But um obviously from the American point"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "of view it was desperately important"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "that the that they should keep it top"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "secret. Well, I'm sure I I well, you"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "could say that the end time for ending"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the secrecy arrived when certainly when"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "the Soviet uh when the Soviet Empire"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "dissolved"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "because there wasn't that danger any"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "longer. Very little has leaked out over"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "here. A lot less leaked out here than"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "over on your side. They really have to"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "kept the lid on it well here. But I've"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "always had the impression"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "that the the Americans were giving them"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "here very little information. And that's"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "not surprising"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "because uh there's more knowledge about"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "the subject over on that side than"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "anywhere. And I'm quite certain of"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "course that if ever we do get a"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "breakthrough and we solve this problem,"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "it will be done in the states. And that"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "as Heinik said to me several times when"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "we discussed I I I once I remember"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "asking him what do you think caused this"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "assuming they've always been there but"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "what caused this great interest in us"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "this large incursion after 47 and I"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "remember he thought for a moment he said"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "well obviously atom bomb"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "if you think of if you accept the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "multi-dimensional theory it's highly"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "likely that we've done a hell of a lot"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "of damage in somebody else's world. They"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "might have even done more damage there"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "than we did here."}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "And if you kick the beehive, you're not"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "you shouldn't be surprised. The bees"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "come out and look at you. And if they if"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "you hurt, they might even sting you. And"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "uh so I I my answer is I think it's an"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "enormously complicated problem. If he"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "carries on as he is, he's like a child"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "playing with a bit of chunk of dynamite"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "and a hammer. He's going to destroy"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "himself. Man could have survived forever"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "with bows and arrows. He's not going to"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "coexist for forever with his present"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "technology. One of the other is going"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> 9 years later at White Sands in New"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "Mexico, the visitors allegedly came"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "closer still. Dr. Greer tells the story"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "he says Colonel Philip Corso shared"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "before his death."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": ">> I love this story. How many of you have"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "heard of Colonel Corso? Philip Corso."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "He was a army colonel and uh I got to"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "know his son too and he came out years"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "ago with a book called The Day After"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Roswell. And"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "he had dealt with the material just not"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "very deeply but in part with the"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "material transfer from retrieved"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "extraterrestrial materials to technology"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "development way back. And one time he"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "was out at again White Sands first"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "atomic blast, right? But he was out"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "there on an operation. He was a full"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "bird colonel air for US Air Force and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "he there were all these ET craft that"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "kept appearing and they kept trying to"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "target them with these technologies"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "early ones like the Roswell event was"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "actually an electromagnetic pulse scaler"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "weapon that was embedded within a radar"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "system. I know this for a fact. They"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "didn't crash because of an electrical"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "storm. memo all the UFO people. You"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "don't go through interstellar space and"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "can't navigate an electrical storm in"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "New Mexico, right? I mean, my friends"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "were Airbus pilots can do that. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "I'm using that junk. Jets from the 30s"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "and 40s. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "sky junk, space junk, all these aircraft"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "we have is junk. So, he goes, they"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "finally keeps seeing these. So, he goes"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "out to where it went down. So they head"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "on radar, one that actually materialized"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "because our technologies weren't that"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "great in 1956, right? He goes out in a"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "jeep and goes out to where he saw it go"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "down and there's this seamless silver"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "craft like the one I showed at the"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "retrieval"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "and it appeared and then he the way he"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "described it was it would be solid 3D"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "and then it would dematerialize but"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "where it was it was still there it"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "shifted into the near astral but it was"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "close enough into this dimension in the"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "gap it created what looked like you know"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "how heat looks like uh on the in the"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "desert a wave of heat on the highway it"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "looked like that it was just a distort"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "but it was the shape of the object"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "that's the other thing to look for if"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "you see that it's a craft there you can"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "walk right through it but it's the craft"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "and it then would appear and finally it"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "stayed and these ETs came out and he"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "goes"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "he's brilli"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "friend or foe"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "and the ET goes to you neither,"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "right? But because they had been"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "targeting these guys, right, the ETSs"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "and and finally he said and he as he got"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "older in his 80s, he realized, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "what a bad attitude that was. And he but"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "he said to the ET"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "he the ET said we need your help and we"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "need you to stand down these systems and"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "we need to go beyond you know all these"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "weapons and this you know nuclear and"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "atomic weapons and he says well what's"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "in it for me like that you know he's a"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "young air force colonel and the ET says"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "a new world if you can take it"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "right he lived"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "That would have been the title of his"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "book, his next book. Um, but you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "he was actually killed."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "I know who did it. So, Colonel Corso was"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "most of his family know he was"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "assassinated. So, with one of these"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "weapon systems and but at any rate, he"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "was going to write that book a new world"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "if you can take it because it would be a"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "whole new world."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": ">> 1964 Vandenberg Air Force Base. Bob"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "Jacobs says the film his unit shot"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "showed an object disabling a dummy"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "nuclear warhead in flight. The Air Force"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "says it never happened. The things that"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "were denied specifically, first of all,"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "was that I was ever in the Air Force."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "They had no record of me. I was at"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Vandenberg. No, he had no record of"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "that. Once we found, oh, he was at"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "Vandenberg. Well, he was never at Big S"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "because we don't have a tracking site at"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "Big Su. Well, we proved that. Um"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "that that's the nature of of of"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "bureaucratic idiocy. The Air Force's"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "position right now is there was no such"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "incident and there was no film of it."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "The thing that's important to me about"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "this whole operation is very simply"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "the biggest event in the history of"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "humankind is the discovery that we are"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "not alone."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "that there are other living entities,"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "intelligent entities"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "in this universe or other universes, and"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "that we aren't here alone. That's a huge"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "enormous discovery."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "It's the discovery of the of the of the"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "lifetime of humankind, isn't it? To find"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "out that we're not here alone."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "That's why I think it's important to"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "talk about these things. I think that's"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "exciting. And I think that it's"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "important for us as as as humans to to"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "to come to term to grow up"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "u Arthur C. Clark's childhood's end to"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "grow up and recognize that we may not be"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "the paragon of animals after all. That"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "there may be something out there that's"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "bigger and more exciting than we are and"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "that just maybe just maybe they're"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "telling us something."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "Now, what I saw that day was something"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "shooting down a dummy nuclear warhead."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "What message would I interpret from"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "that? Don't mess with nuclear warheads."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "That's probably the message I would"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "interpret from from that. I'd say, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "well, maybe somebody doesn't want us"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "annihilating Moscow. Maybe we should"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "stop doing that.\""}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "I'm not sure that's that that's what"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "went on. But"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "Ronald Reagan one night went on"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "television. They did the most"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "astonishing thing. Most astonishing,"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "he stood up in front of America and"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "said, \"We're going to build a defensive"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "shield. We're going to call it SDI, the"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "Strategic Defense Initiative, and its"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "mission is going to be to protect us, to"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "protect all of us.\" He said, Ronald"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Reagan said, \"We're going to share this"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "with everybody. We're going to share it"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "with the Russians.\" Ooh, our enemies."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "The guys that only a few years ago we"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "were throwing we were pretending to"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "annihilate. Oh, suddenly we're going to"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "protect them with a shield."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "From whom are we going to protect them?"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "I just find some interesting patterns in"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "in in life. And that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "patterns that I thought might be"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "important that perhaps that was the"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "first shot across the bow"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "um first warning shot from somebody"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "saying, \"Knock this off, kid. It's time"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "to grow up. You don't want to annihilate"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "this planet, do you?\""}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "could be"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "my take on what happened there is based"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "on not only my own speculation but"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "having read other things and talked to"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "other people over the intervening years"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "that maybe the whole thing had something"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "to do with a preview of the strategic"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "defense initiative for Star Wars. It's"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "another possibility, I suppose, if you"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "if you agree that perhaps our paranoia"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "is unfounded"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "and if we encounter"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "beings with superior technologies, maybe"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "we should embrace them and be nice to"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "them because they might be showing us"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "how to survive."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": ">> 1969."}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "According to Greer, the Apollo"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "astronauts saw other craft before they"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "even landed and were pressured never to"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "talk about it. Can we speculate on"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "whether those ships came from here or"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "from there?"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": ">> And this is the the follow on question."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "Were those ships that were around the"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "moon at that time in 1969"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": ">> extraterrestrial or man-made uh"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "reproduction vehicles using"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "anti-gravity? I don't know. Okay."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": ">> It could have been either,"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": ">> but um I think probably they weren't"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "ours only because"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "uh those folks would not have wanted to"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "risk exposing that they were there with"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "cameras rolling."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "Okay? Because that would have of course"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "ended the fact that they have these"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "these secret aircraft, a secret space"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "force to watch TV and knew it was a"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "space show. So that's that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "problems. That's you know I' I've"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "thought about it and the answer is I"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "don't know but from a logical point of"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "view I doubt it was ours."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": ">> Okay. Now you know now one of the things"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "that Neil Armstrong was overheard saying"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "and this was reported in Timothy Good's"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "book above top secret"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": ">> is that"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "Neil Armstrong stated that we were"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "essentially warned off the moon. that in"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "other words, these civilizations did not"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "want us going to other moons or planets"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "to colonize them with the consciousness"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "of nationalism and the Cold War because"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "remember the Apollo project was really a"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "proxy for the Cold War. The United"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "States was in a complete panic when"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "Sputnik overtook our space program, the"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "Soviets. And so the race to the moon was"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "part of and always was part of the"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "military competition between two huge"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "superpowers, old Soviet Union and the"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "United States of America. And so when we"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "went there, but we went there not as a"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "peaceful world civilization, but as a"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "competing cold war uh effort that were"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "armed with thousands of thermonuclear"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "weapons, hydrogen bombs um pointed at"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "each other. That was not the"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "consciousness that the ETSs want to see"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "us going into space with. They want us"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "going into into space with the"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "consciousness of peace and cooperation,"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "not militarism and war. So that's sort"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "of your let's say if there's an entry"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "ticket to space exploration, that's the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "main one. And we haven't quite reached"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "that point, have we? So, um, I think"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "that's why, uh, Neil Armstrong said what"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "I don't know what was said or done or"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "what was done by these craft, but he"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "said it made it was made it very clear"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "that they weren't real happy that we"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "were going there in this way. And that's"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "in my opinion why we wound down the"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "space program to the moon. Uh, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "my my uncle was involved with this. And"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "there was all kinds of plans to put"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "colonies there and buildings and have,"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "you know, people living in sort of like"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "uh uh domes like they have out at the"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "biosphere in Arizona and what have you."}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "And all that was shut down. Now, the the"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "excuse they gave was budgetary cuts,"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:17", "text": ">> but I don't think it was budgetary cuts."}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "I think it was because you know it was"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "quite clear that we were going out there"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "immaturely as a waring civilization and"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "not as a peaceful world civilization"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "which is the requirement."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": ">> 1980 Rendlessham Forest, England next to"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "a base Greer says held American nuclear"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "weapons. His claim about who the"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "officers met there is the strangest in"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "this whole story."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": ">> There are three things missing."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "I I hate I'm be I just want for you to"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "meditate on this. You have to have"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "the information, knowledge, intelligence"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "to understand this complex problem. All"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "right? But everyone here has that,"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "right? You all followed me, okay? Pretty"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "well. Yeah. Look. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "But you've also got to have the"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "integrity to resist the threats and the"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "corruption and the bribes and the the"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "blackmail. you're going to be"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "blackmailed. You're I know heads of"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "states have been blackmailed over this,"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "threatened, etc. And you've got to have"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "the courage. So that's what's missing."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "You you know the information. You have"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "to have the intellect and aptitude to"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "understand it. But you've got to have"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "the integrity. You've got to have the"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "courage. So we all have to pray for our"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "leaders and for ourselves to have the"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "integrity and courage. If we do, here's"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "what's going to happen. We're here in"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "England and you all heard years ago in"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "the early 80s of the Bentwaters Reynolds"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "from Forest event, right? It happened"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "here in the UK, the RAF"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "uh Bentwaters"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "and it was American nuclear assets were"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "there illegally. The ETSs"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "landed. It was a pyramid-shaped craft"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "roughly. it ministry of defense I met"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "with folks way back then uh eventually"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "released some of these documents and it"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "was a physical landing but what you"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "don't know is that the senior US"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "military you know nuclear level uh"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "military that were there went out and"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "were the ones who encountered the beans"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "who were these kind of luminous white"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "forms that floated through the so almost"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "like an onyx surface, black surface of"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "the crack and communicated with them"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "telepathically."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "And they don't want to talk about this"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "because they think it's too weird and"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "people they would lose credibility to"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "talk about this part of it. And it"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "turned out they were us"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "from 500,000 years in the future. They"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "were our children's children's"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "children's"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "way up, right? 20,000 generations. And"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "what they said was if you don't get"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "control of this and fix this problem of"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "you fighting and using higher and higher"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "technologies and these nuclear weap"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "one of the rare times I mean it was a"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "time travel but it it but they were ET"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "and people say were they extr I said yes"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "they were extraterrestrial but they were"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "after we had evolved from earth to"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "multiple star systems and we had become"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "come interstellar. We had become"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "extraterrestrial and we had become a"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "level you know 8 9 10 civilization where"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "we were in a state of enlightenment and"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "we were then teaching and protecting and"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "guiding other planets coming along"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "after. This is an endless cycle of"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "evolution that's cosmic. So that can't"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "happen at least for our species unless"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "we you know get our act together"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "quickly. So we don't have the 60 70 80"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "20 years to squander. We have to get"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "this right in the next few years. And"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "God bless us. I hope all of you will"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "join in doing C5 contact because at the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "level of consciousness people say what"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "am I going to do about this? Those who"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "pray and meditate change the world."}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "Those who work together, it's 10 times"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "that. The power of coming together and"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "then those of you who can do practical"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "things to help us. Thank you. We need"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": ">> Was this only an American story? Not"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "according to the head of an Italian"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "civilian UFO research center who studied"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "decades of cases. If we consider um from"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "a statistical point of view all the"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "cases we are facing"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "surely um I think that a good half of uh"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "these cases may have some different uh"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "origins but uh a good half is surely"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "linked to a technological phenomenon of"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "unknown nature."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "have of unknown technology."}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "If we have to try to explain all this in"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "practical terms, I think that still the"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "extraterrestrial hypothesis is uh the"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "hypothesis which is able to explain more"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "than any other hypothesis what's going"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "on."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Besides, if we consider that the EUO"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "cases um"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "can and must be compared,"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "we still see definite patterns in these"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "cases. And this is extremely important"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "because this means that the EU cases"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "have a sort of have have their own um"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "rules, their own um particular uh"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "characteristics, their own"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "patterns. And if you you see that these"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "patterns lead us to think that unknown"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "beings humanoid in form um and of"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "unknown origin are visiting us"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "much before the 1946. I think that"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "really the only possible explanation is"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "the exoterm hypothesis. From a logical"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "point of view,"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "I don't think that uh we have nothing to"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "to fear because uh uh if uh we would"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "face hostile beings, well surely they"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "would have conquered us or made"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "incredible things um in the past. they"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "could really if this didn't happen"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:10", "text": ">> surely is because we have nothing to"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "fear I think I don't say nothing new"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "saying that uh probably there is uh"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "every in every part of the world"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "probably with invisible links a definite"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "invisible college we may call it so"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "even if uh this expression were used in"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "a different sense by Joseph Alenhe"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "which is uh facing this sub this subject"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "from the standpoint of research"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "um secretly in order to have gains and"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "technologies to be applied in a quite"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "different uh"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "approach"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "because the problem is that"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "um people doesn't understand a very"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "important things I think um the EU"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "problem is not only a scientific problem"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "it is also an intelligence problem. This"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "is the second important face of the"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "euphor reality. And we uh when we begin"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "to understand this, we may understand a"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "lot of things because all this has to do"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "with power. Power everywhere in every"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "country in every with every government"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "with every situation."}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:36", "text": ">> In the 1990s, Greer coined a name for"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "Earth's situation, a cosmic quarantine."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "I read before that you mentioned that"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "Earth is under some type of a cosmic"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "quarantine"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "and so this quarantine. Can you explain"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "the quarantine and why are we under"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "quarantine in the first place?"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": ">> Um I mentioned it and coined that"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "concept back in the '90s. And really"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "what it is is, you know, if you want a"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "passport to other star systems, you have"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "to become a level one civilization,"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "level one, level two, which we went"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "through in the last episode. Because if"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "you're if you're still a warfaring"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "civilization,"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "uh you're going to be allowed to have a"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "certain amount of elacrity and freedom"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "and movement uh in your own solar"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "system, but you know, our solar system"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "is Earth and a couple few other planets."}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "Um, you're not going to be going out"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "interstellar bamming around because my"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "C5 contact teams have had uh contact"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "experiences with civilizations that have"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "never had the concept of war because"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "they didn't evolve from uh primates. You"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "know, we're 98% identical, our genetic"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "material, to a chimpanzee. And those do"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "organize into troops and engage in"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "battle and and tribes and troops and"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "tribes. And humans have this, I think,"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "as sort of our uh legacy that we have to"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "transcend as we become so"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "technologically advanced that that"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "proclivity towards division, uh,"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "otherness, racism, us versus them"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "mentality, uh, becomes an extinction"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "consciousness. And so we can't, you"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "know, this life here is precious. This"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "earth is precious and humanity is"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "precious. But to get to the next phase,"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "we have to have universal peace. And so"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "once a civilization reaches that point"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "where they have a permanent peace, they"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "have renounced resolving to military"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "violence um for resolving differences,"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "then the universe opens its arms to you."}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "until such time uh it's it's truncated"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "it's limited uh and I know people in the"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "military I've spoken to and at the"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "defense intelligence agency where we"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "were had certain satellites pointed out"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "targeting uh ET assets and they just"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "simply would shut them down and um it"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "was an interesting series of"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "conversations. The problem is the people"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "running those projects feel that they"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "should be omnipotent. They have this god"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "complex of masters of the universe and"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "they don't like having their wings"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "clipped and that causes them to even be"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "more aggressive. So there's an"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "escalating"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "uh tit fortat sort of things that have"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "happened that need to be resolved and it"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "isn't going to be resolved with the"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "level of consciousness that created it."}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "As Einstein said it has to be resolved"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "from people have cooler heads, wiser"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "heads. Um, God forbid that this whole"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "uh, exoracism comes into it, you know,"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "where, oh, well, this civilization's"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "good and this whole species is bad and"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "we're going to align with this one and"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "fight that one. Great for a Star Wars"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "movie. Horrible policy going forward"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "because there's no way that's"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "survivable. So, these civilizations are"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "waiting for us to grow up. I liken this"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "to the phases of maturation of of a"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "human."}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:04", "text": ">> Yeah. You have your infasy, childhood."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "Humanity right now is in its"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "rambunctious adolescent phase. And the"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "hallmark of maturity of our species as a"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "body is universal peace. Not just world"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "peace, but peace out there as well. So"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "that's that's really the big undertaking"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "that has to happen. And then we get"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "cleared. Everything is possible at that"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "point."}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "Around the same time, Greer says he was"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "called into a meeting at Wright"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "Patterson Air Force Base where the"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "Roswell material was first taken. One"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "person asked me once, \"How can you prove"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "that all of them aren't hostile?\" I"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "said, \"Why can't? You can't prove a"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "negative. It's axiomatic.\""}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "But I was asked this at Wright Patterson"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "Air Force Base. Let me tell you a little"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "story that"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "very instructive."}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "So we're there and there's a colonel"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "there who was in charge of this"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "operation at Wright Patterson and Bruce"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "Ashccraftoft who was an intelligence"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "officer although he was posing as a"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "public information officer he's really"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "air force intel a suit and so my"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "military adviser and I and uh another"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "man who'd worked for the state"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "department and who was also a naval"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "intel guy was with me and so I went from"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "the Rockefeller Ranch to Wright"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "Patterson Air Force Base to this place"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "where all the stuff from Roswell was"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "originally sent. And we had this meeting"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "because it was forced on them by the"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "head of uh J2, the the previous one I"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "briefed, my people brief, Tom Wilson,"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "Admiral Wilson. And and when we got in"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "there, we, you know, we basically said,"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "\"We're not here to get information from"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "you because we know what you have here."}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "We've already penetrated what's here."}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "I'm we're here to provide information to"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "you so that you do not interfere with"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "what we're doing with the C5"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "contact initiative so civilians are not"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "caught in the crossfire between you guys"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "and what you're doing with ETSs."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "That was the purpose of the meeting."}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "Remember,"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "it's very high stakes. You know, the one"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "thing I don't want to do is have a group"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "of people call it in the crossfire. Um,"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "so not that the ETSs would hit them, but"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "our folks might accidentally. And we"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "almost were hit at Mount Shasta a few"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "years ago. Yeah, I'll tell you this"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "story if you want to hear about it"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "during the question and answer. But"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "during this meeting, the colonel finally"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "at one point said, \"Well, how do you"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "know that um these"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "intelligences from elsewhere aren't a"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "threat to us?\""}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "I said, 'Well, sir, given the"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "galactically stupid things we have been"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "doing,"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "chasing them, firing at them, developing"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "laser, particle beam, and other weapon"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "systems and knocking enough of them down"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "that you've been able to reverse"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "engineer them."}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "If they were hostile and they have"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "interstellar"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "transportation technologies,"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "it would have been point set match over"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "in 1945"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "about the time we developed the atomic"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "weapon. The fact that you and I are"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "having this conversation and breathing"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "the free air of earth is abundant"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "testimony to the fact that they are"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "non-hostile even if they may not be"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "pleased with our stupidity. Don't get me"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "wrong, I'm not saying that these"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "civilizations are altogether enthralled"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "with what's going on on this planet. Who"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "would be? Take a look around,"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": ">> but if they were overtly hostile, it"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "would could be over in a nancond"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:44", "text": ">> because let me explain to you what the"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "technologies are."}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "It, you know, okay, all of you've looked"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "at video games and Star War movies and"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "Star Trek and other rubbish. So, okay,"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "wipe your mind clean of all the rubbish"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "that Hollywood puts out. Now, let's get"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "into some real science for just a"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "minute."}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "If you're going from one star system to"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "another, I mentioned this earlier. You"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "have the ability to create an"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "electromagnetic field and go"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "postquantum."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "What Einstein called the spooky effect"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "where two something the same particle"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "appears in two places at once like that."}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "And it has to do with non-locality in"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "physics,"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "the non-local cosmos and other"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "dimensions."}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "But the power associated with that under"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "a controlled circumstance"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "is almost infinite. And if you were to"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "take that knowledge and weaponize it,"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "you could take a planet, target it, turn"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "it into a pink mist floating through"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "space instantly. It would not be a bunch"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "of little laser guns going like this"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "like you're playing, you know? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "so if these civilizations ha have gotten"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "here, by definition, they're"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "interstellar. And if they're"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "interstellar, they're transdimensional."}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "And if they're transdimensional, they"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "have technologies that would make our"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "hydrogen bombs look like a tinker toy."}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "All right?"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "And yet here we sit"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "notwithstanding"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "the fact that we have been using"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "electromagnetic weapon systems to target"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "them and knock them down since 1947. The"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "Roswell crash was a targeted"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "electromagnetic switch that knocked two"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "craft down. They actually collided with"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "each other. One went down near Roswell,"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "one continued and impacted near Sakoro."}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "This is in an FBI document where it"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "talks about a new radar system. That's a"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "euphemism that was turned on and these"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "two ET craft hit each other, went down."}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "I know men who have operated the"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "state-of-the-art ones that began to be"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "developed in the 50s and 60s um and now"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "we're 60 70 years into what are called"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "scalar or longitudinal electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "systems which are sort of"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "electromagnetic pulses that instead of"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "having a wave like this are point"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "radiation. So they're multiples of the"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "speed of light and the scalar technology"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "has been worked on for the better part"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "of a hundred years in some circles but"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "certainly intensely for 70. So we have"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "used those systems to track and target"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "ET craft since the 40s. So if they were"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "in fact so hostile"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "we would known about it massively."}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "So if they are here, why don't they just"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "land in public? In 2014, Greer was asked"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "exactly that."}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:46", "text": ">> Well, the question is why didn't they"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "stop? You know, why wouldn't a craft"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "stop and land and say, \"Hey, they have"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "sometimes.\" I just told you at Joshua"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "Tree, we had a this this sphere come in"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "and there was a bean there and literally"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "waved it. It's on our website. And the"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "question is, why don't they do this at"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "you know, Yankee Stadium during the the"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "the Okay. Uh this is like when Larry"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "King asked me, why don't they land on"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "the White House lawn? I probably been"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "asked that question 30,000 times. Um and"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "and the reason but here's the reason for"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "it. It's a and the answer is really a a"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "important answer. Um how successful has"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "our misadventure been for instituting"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq and"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "Afghanistan?"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:30", "text": ">> Okay. We're dealing with humans living"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "in the same century on the same planet"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:36", "text": ">> kind of now."}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "Don't get me started. Okay. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "point I'm making without becoming"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "politically incorrect is that"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "if you have a civilization that is"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "thousands to millions of years more"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "developed than ours and they were to"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "come in and force"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "disclosure, let's say, by being that"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "open,"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "a couple things would happen. First"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "there the world would divide into"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "idolatry people who'd worship them like"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "the people on the island making a uh the"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "plane the b the the propeller plane or"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "would demonize them the military and"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "intelligence community would say we've"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "been invaded and we're back to the movie"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "Independence Day. Okay. And it would"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "galvanize the fear to justify unifying"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "the world as Ronald Reagan said at the"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "UN around an extraterrestrial threat. So"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "if I have figured this out with my"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "limited capabilities,"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "I'm quite sure these interstellar"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "civilizations have figured it out."}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "Anything that is that frontal could be"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "would would have blowback. that would"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "not be good. So, they've let themselves"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "be known in a number of ways. They've"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "tested how humans react to that. But"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "again, over the course of the thousands"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "of years of human history and"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "particularly you look at the last 50"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "years, it's been quite a bit, but"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "they're still testing our responses"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "and and so and so so I'm trying to"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "answer your question. So, if I can"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "finish. So the ETSs do not want to do"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "something that would precipitate"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "either"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "uh panic,"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "misunderstanding, and worse the"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "galvanization of uh the military using"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "it like a 9/11 event to create all kinds"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "of boogeymen in space. They know that"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "that is exactly how an event like you're"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "talking about would be used. I know it."}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "They know it. And so the only way that"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "global open contact is going to happen"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "like you're discussing is that if it is"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "under a C5 protocol with a lot of world"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "leaders involved. This could happen."}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "We're working on this. Uh it's done in a"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "way that is invitational"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "and co and coherent."}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "Uh if it happens the other way, it could"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "be something that would have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "bad consequences that are unintended"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "people. Um the other problem with it is"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "that what would be the purpose in doing"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "that if the people aren't"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "um ready? And you know how I think"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "they're measuring how ready we are is"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "how much we go out there and pull"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "ourselves out of YouTube and the"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "television and Netflix and go out under"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "the stars together and with intent and"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "sincerity ask them to make contact. That"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "says to them that we're ready. And if we"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "don't do that, then we're dilotants and"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "we're sitting at home in front of our"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "TVs being"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "dilotants. So, I think that you have to"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "walk the walk, not just talk it. And I"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "think that's what they're measuring. Um,"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "there's many people have said, well, you"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "know, certainly they would have cures"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "for cancer and AIDS and and could do all"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "I said, yes, of course, but the our"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "covert programs have all these things"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "already. Also, they do. It's not a myth."}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "So they're watching that there are"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "certain types of humans that like to"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "keep all this secret and other types of"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "humans who are passive or cowardly."}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "So how do we find the the our voice? How"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "do we find our um"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "our courage to do this in a way that is"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "really a good event for humanity and I"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "think that's the measure. Now there are"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "certain conditions where that may not"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "happen. I think if we had a massive"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "earth change type event or if we'd gone"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "to mutual assured destruction, a massive"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "thermonuclear event with thousands of"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "missiles there, the skies would be"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "filled with ET craft trying to"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "intervene. But short of that sort of"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "cataclysmic stupid sort of thing"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "happening, they're going to they're"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "going to want us to learn and to because"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "this is our planet. We're the children"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "of Earth and they're going to want us to"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "learn to do this, to educate one"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "another, to care for one another, to"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "make contact openly."}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "By 2018, Greer says he had written a"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "disclosure speech for world leaders, but"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "he warns disclosure can go two very"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "different ways."}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:34", "text": ">> Well, all I would say is this means that"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "we are at a crossroads. We can choose a"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "world of peace and it may be an"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "enforcable peace for a while"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "monitored or we can choose to"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "self-destruct."}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "These are the choices. It's a very clear"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "choice. And if disclosure is done"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "properly, where these technologies are"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "put to use to clean up the environment,"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "to give us energy systems so we're not"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "polluting the environment, get off"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "nuclear power, get rid of nuclear"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "systems. But this requires the public to"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "have a unifying moment. So the speech I"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "wrote for for the president and for"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "Trump and for any other world leader who"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "wants to deliver it. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "release it fairly soon to the public"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "would be a very unifying moment, a very"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "positive moment. It wouldn't be the"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "aliens are here and let's go run for"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "cover and unite in in a fight for our"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "lives like the movie Independence Day."}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "No, that's not what this is. So now that"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "is the disclosure that's been planned"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "and they're trying to take the momentum"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "that we've created with disclosure to do"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "What I'm saying is that we can do"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "better. We need to do better"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "and we need people of conscious goodwill"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "to do it. Now luckily I think it's"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "possible with a relatively small number"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "of people."}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "I'm skeptical that any particular"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "government in the world's going to do"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "this in a way that's useful."}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": ">> It's not in their interest."}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:04", "text": ">> Well, I don't even know if it's in their"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "ability."}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:07", "text": ">> When I meet with people in government,"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "they go, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "this is too big of a deal. It's too big."}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "It's too massive.\""}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "And I remember um when Paul Helier"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "approached a senior senator in uh Canada"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "who he had worked under him for years"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "and was in their military committee. And"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "he said, \"Look, Paul, I've got a 5B line"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "and you're asking me to pull in a"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "2,000lb whale. I don't really I really"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "can't take this on. It's too big.\" And"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "so I hear this a lot. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "actually very prosaic. It's very it's"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "very ordinary and almost benol the the"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "the sort of the degree to which many of"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "these leaders don't want to take on"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "something like this. I think the public"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "can I believe in the people and I"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "believe in mass consciousness and higher"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "consciousness and you know the so-called"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "Maharishi effect you know if if 1% of"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "the public understood the power of"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "collective consciousness to do something"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "with a good intention for the planet"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "it'd be done and we wouldn't need the"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "presidency or the UN or or any of these"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "and the power of people coming together"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "to do it. I have I have great faith in"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "I'm skeptical that there's going to be a"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "uh positive and and useful disclosure"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "from any government anywhere in the"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "world. Now, it could happen. I mean, it"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "stopped a broken clock is correct twice"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "a day. But my experience over a quarter"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "of a century of dealing with people in"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "government, A, they don't want to deal"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "with the issue. be when they move into"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "this space, they get intercepted by"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "this, I call it the black hole of"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "disinformation, of fear, and of"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "alienism, of racism, of us versus them."}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "And I haven't found any exceptions to"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "that. Unfortunately, many of the people"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "in the UFO space that came into this"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "subject through me have been pulled into"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "that black hole."}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "And I I have a lot of sort of not guilt,"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "but regret about that. So there's a this"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "sort of black hole of disinformation"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "sitting out there that's been created"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "over 60 years. It sucks everyone in as a"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "belief system"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "of good and bad aliens and us versus"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "them and this whole cowboys and Indians"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "sort of in space narrative."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "It's very easy to fall into that and"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "it's very seductive but it's very very"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "dangerous. If we had some uh any single"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "world leader any head of any country"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "that wanted to do this could do it and"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "not just the president United States or"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "Putin or China but it would take a deep"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "understanding and have them have the"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "integrity and the courage these two"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "things I speak about to to go the course"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "and do it for for the benefit of the"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "planet and our children and our"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "children's children."}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "uh the the disclosure of this subject is"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "the most important announcement in the"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "history of the human race. How it's"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "handled has to be handled with great"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "wisdom and great care. uh if it is"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "handled with the kind of buffoonery and"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "clumsiness that is evolving or with"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "partial truths mixed in with"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "disinformation with frightening"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "scenarios that scare the hell out of the"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "public. I actually prefer the secrecy."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "We have to find a way to develop"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "technologies and then restrain ourselves"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "from using them for violent purposes or"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "we're headed for the scrap heap of"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "history. We're headed for the way of the"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "dinosaurs as a civilization and as a"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "species. And that is is a very big"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "lesson we have got to learn. And we're"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "going to learn it the hard way or the"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "easy way. I would rather it"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "beformational and through disclosure. If"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "we don't, it'll be the very hard way."}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "Um, and we I don't want to go there, but"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "that's why another reason why the"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "extraterrestrial civilizations are here"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "is in the case as as as Tom Bearden"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "famously said, don't get me wrong, the"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "fools may blow it yet referring blowing"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "the whole system, but there will be then"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "there's plan B, which would be an"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "intervention, massive uh interstellar"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "intervention."}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:27", "text": ">> In 2020, he warned about something else."}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "The people who need an enemy in the sky."}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "We have to get beyond. We have to go"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "into a postracist but also postspecies"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "world. Now, here's the thing. You know,"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "with everything going on with Black"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "Lives Matter and racism in this country,"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "that should have been put to rest in the"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "1800s, but it wasn't."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "But now, we're facing something a"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "thousand times more complex. And that's"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "not we're not we're not alone in the"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "universe. And there are thousands of"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "civilizations"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "observing and hundreds that are involved"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "with the Earth directly."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "None of them are hostile. But the"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "intelligence community, the wararm"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "mongers and the Pentagon and the"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "sociopaths want you to believe there"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "enemies out there. We need the space"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "force and we need to go to war. That's"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "the extinction level. One extinction"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "level event that's on the horizon. We"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "have to avoid it. The only way we're"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "going to avoid it is to call it out."}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "It's made me a lot of enemies. I've had"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "a lot of death threats. Not from the"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "intelligence community, from the public"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "because I'm saying, \"No, we need to make"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "contact in a peaceful, diplomatic,"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "conscious, enlightened way with every"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "single species that knows of our"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "presence on Earth and are are visiting"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "or involved in any way. And we're not"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "going to pick and choose. We're not"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "going to say that one we like, that one"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "we don't like.\" Okay? Why? because"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "that's the consciousness of division."}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "That's the genesis of hate. That's"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "that's the beginning of one tribe"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "clubbing another tribe over the head."}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "And if we it look no problems ever been"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "solved by the consciousness that created"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "it. Right? So if we stay in this"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "consciousness of division and us versus"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "them and either or and hate and fear,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "that is how our civilization dies."}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "That's how it dies. When you're dealing"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "at this level, not one tribe or even one"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "race or even one country, but when"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "you're dealing with an interglobal,"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "interplanetary level of conflict,"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "that's how things end very badly for"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "humans. So, we have to transcend that."}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "The solution is not endless war in"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "space. It's endless enlightenment within"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "every single soul on earth. That's the"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "solution."}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "Now to do that means we have to take"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "leave of"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "our fund of knowledge the things we"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "think we know because you know if you"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "looked at any documentaries on this"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "subject most of the movies that have"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "been done by Hollywood uh the junk"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "that's on the internet"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "there's a plethora of second third"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:11", "text": "fourth fifth tenth hand rumors of rumors"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "of rumors of rumors uh when you peel it"}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "all back because I'm a source person"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "like if someone's in the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "community and I'm I'm debriefing them."}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "has happened recently and they're"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "telling me about a skiff they were in a"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "secure communication information"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "facility"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "and they start diverting into something"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "they heard"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "I go stop"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "I don't want your sp what did you"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "directly see what did you directly"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "handle and I strip it down to that and"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "if you do that on this subject matter"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "you're going to find that the stuff"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "that's the scary stuff is actually"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "there's no point source origin. There's"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "no point of origination."}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "It's all fear-mongering"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "and or misunderstanding."}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "So, one of the things we have to do and"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "to get clarity and this is how you"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "develop your own I call it your"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "truthometer, your truth meter in your"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "heart here is to experience deep states"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "of consciousness and you can hear with"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "your soul. Is this true or not true? You"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "have your own lie detector. All right?"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "But you need to develop that because"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "most of this material that's out there"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "on this subject unfortunately is rubbish"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "and and is designed by cutouts of the"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "intelligence community to create fear,"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "division and eventually war. So we have"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "to be very careful because this is you"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "know the old this is an old trick you"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "know when the British and uh took over"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "New Zealand the mayoris different tribes"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "that were there. They staged events"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "making it look like it was one tribe"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "doing it against so those tribes would"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "fight kill each other so the British"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "could take over that island. I don't"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "know if you know that story. So this is"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "something that has been done for"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "hundreds of years, thousands of years by"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "people trying to grab power and who are"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "demagogues. Let's not be fooled again."}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "It's like we won't be fooled again. The"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "who we have been. We've been fooled over"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "and over. The only way we're going to"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "get clarity on that in my opinion is to"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "strip the mythology and the false"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "narratives away, but begin to experience"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "things directly."}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "June 2023, the National Press Club in"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "Washington."}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "A former special operations soldier asks"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "the question everyone asks. First and"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "foremost, thank you for everything you"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "do. We we appreciate that. Um I'm a my"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "name is Justin Wilson. I'm a former"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "special operations operator and I"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "currently own a uh media company called"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "Ptorian. Uh two-part question. And the"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "first one being is there no hostility"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "from another species because there's a"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "higher governing species or is it just"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "the fact that there there is no"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "hostility whatsoever. How can we be sure"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "of that? First question, everybody who I"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "know who has dealt directly with those"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "beings have told me our own experience"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "and that is they are completely"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "non-hostile. They have been portrayed as"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "such because how do you unite the world"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "around a military response? you create a"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "false alien threat. This is what Verer"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "von Brown warned about and we are very"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "much at that point unfortunately. So I"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "think that calmer minds need to prevail"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "but there is no evidence they are"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "hostile. Now, let me make one other"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "point. As I said one time to a general,"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "I won't say who it is because"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "if they were hostile and given the"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "galactically foolish things we have"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "done, targeting them, striking them, now"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "these systems that are faster in speed"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "of light, moving out into space, the"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "technologies they have in a fraction of"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "a second could shut down all those"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "systems and everything else. They have"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "not. Why have they not done that?"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "Because they are essentially very"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "peaceful, highly organized, socially"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "evolved, psychologically, and"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "emotionally evolved civilizations."}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "One other point, common sense. If you"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "possess those sort of weapons and you're"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "still of the consciousness of violence,"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "you're going to blow yourself up uh or"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "some nearby planet with you because"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "we're not talking about let's forget"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "science fiction. You're not talking"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "about boom boom with a laser beam,"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "right? Or a kinetic missile or even a"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "thermonuclear missile. You're talking be"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "able to affect the fabric of spaceime."}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "And then if those technologies are"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "weaponized, it's over in a fraction of a"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "second. So the proof I said to one"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "senior military guy that they are not"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "hostile is that you and I are still"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "breathing the free air of earth. If you"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "know what we've been doing, it's quite"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "clear that this is uh actually proof"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "that they're not hostile. If you"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "understand what those technologies are"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "and if you understand what covert"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "illegal projects have been doing."}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": ">> So, uh here's a question. If there is"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "not any, you know, intervention"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "by the aliens or the people, you know,"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "there is this power and there's people"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "in control. If we don't fix this"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "ourselves, is there going to be any kind"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "of intervention from from up there if we"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "continue to destroy the earth as as we"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "are?"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": ">> Well, that's what I spoke to a moment"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "ago. I think that"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "there are two clocks ticking."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "One is operations within the"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "constitutional government of the United"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "States uh that are not going to put up"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "with this any further uh more than"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "another six to nine months. The other is"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "the fact that these extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "civilizations cannot afford for this"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "progression of technology being deployed"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "against them. These have been re much of"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "it's been reverse engineered from the ET"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "vehicles, right? And so at a certain"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "point where do they have to do something"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "to protect other places because the"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "there's a universal principle of"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "self-defense."}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:12", "text": ">> London 2024."}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "Greer comes back to Corso's words. a new"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "world if you can take it and then gives"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "what he calls his final warning."}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": ">> And I think that, you know, now that I"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "have, you know, 12 grandchildren, I"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "think, wow, you know, I started my b my"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "kids were babies doing this and now"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "they're, you know, grown and I have 12"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "grandkids. What kind of world are we"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "going to create here? So, this could"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "have happened before I was born. It's"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "now 2024. The ETSs have a limit."}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "And this is going to be my let's say"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "final warning."}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "The several people on my team have"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "worked in comms uh interstellar"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "communication monitoring at these covert"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "bases and we know that somewhere between"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "2025 and 2030s"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "um if we haven't corrected this problem"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "that will be corrected for us. That's"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "the worstc case scenario. It's not"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "because the ETSs are hostile, but"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "because our technologies and everyone"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "online listening who are OPSEX,"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "military, national security, listen"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "carefully. If we don't get these things"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "under control because these technologies"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "have gotten so advanced, they are an"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "existential threat not just to the ETSs"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "that are operational in our solar system"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "or near Earth, but because they're"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "non-local. It's quantum entanglement."}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "You're talking about quantum weapons. We"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "are a threat to other star systems and"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "planets. and they are fed up with their"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "technologies being after they have been"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "killed and they've been nonresponsive in"}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "terms of not being violent. They're like"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "the Buddha by but there they have to"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "protect other worlds and there are"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "covert programs that are an absolutely"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "threat to life on Earth but life"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "elsewhere. It has gotten that advanced"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "and you don't know it. You got to"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "understand this and"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "I get upset about it."}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "We can fix it, but boy is it going to be"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "a heavy lift because think of what how"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "entrenched these operations are."}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "financial,"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "your financial system,"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "Wall Street, the petro dollar, all of"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "that. This has gotten so entrenched that"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "to bring this out,"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "some people think the cure is worse than"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "the disease. But the problem is, if you"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "don't stand down the most malicious"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "parts of these covert programs, they're"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "endangering the world in ways that you"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "have no idea. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "you you wouldn't sleep tonight if I told"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "you more than what I just said. But"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "I I will say"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "the United Kingdom with a special"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "relationship with the United States and"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "Europe and also other countries that are"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "very advanced technology are going to"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "have to combine their efforts to get"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "this fixed and they're going to have to"}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "start God bless them in France in the"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "201011"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "their ministry of defense reached out"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "and Admiral uh Pierre Moran who is an MD"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "like myself but also a PhD physicist was"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "my leazison to there was a president"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "named Sarcoi President Sarcoi of France"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "back then and they green lit a C5 event"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "uh the Ministry of Defense. Now I did a"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "3-day weekend training so the people who"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "came didn't know they were cover for the"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "Ministry of Defense um being there to"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "learn how to make peaceful contact. The"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "most beautiful most beautiful documents"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "in the archive are the French Ministry"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "of Defense letters."}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "Whether you believe him or not, the"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "warning is the same in 1947 and today."}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "What do you think they want? Tell us in"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "the comments."}]

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And"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "so the number one way in which humans"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "have had genuine"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "not hoaxed genuine extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "[music] contact is through the so-called"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "lucid dream state."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "Now this is shocking for people to hear"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "but understand clearly what I'm saying"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "here is that the capacity for"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "extraterrestrial communication [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "systems to interface with what we would"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "call the astral or atheric body [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "is extremely advanced and it's very"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "likely that the foremost way in which"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "humans have had ET experiences have"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "[music] been in a lucid dream state"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "where the astral body is actually"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "present with the ETSs on board a craft"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "that is phase shifted [music] into an"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "energy form which closely resembles the"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "astral world. I can assure you"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "extraterrestrial biological life forms"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "do not need my sperm or your ova and in"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "they don't need it haven't needed it and"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "will never need it. Uh if you understand"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "what the capabilities are, uh you would"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "certainly understand that if they did"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "want that kind of material, they could"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "get [music] it from any"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "uh embryo"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "bank or sperm bank and and ova bank"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "that's around. The uh scenarios that"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "have been presented to the public are"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "deliberately"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "xenophobic and deliberately alarmist."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "And I want to be very clear about what"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "I'm saying here. That there is an agenda"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "that has"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "with great forethought and skill placed"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "this subject into the category of our"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "worst nightmares and our worst fears for"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "a purpose. Remember that in Rwanda and"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "other countries, we still have the"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "phenomenon of intertribal warfare where"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "one tribe goes in, kills all the men,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "and then abducts and rapes the women."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "And this is one of the this has been a"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "phenomena in in human society since the"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "beginning of tribal existence all over"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "the world. And it's one of the primal"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "fears that is almost genetically encoded"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "in our [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "subconscious. The fear of abduction, the"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "fear of being raped, the fear of being"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "uh taken over by another people. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "what better way [music] to ignite the"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "subconscious"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "xenophobia needed to support"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "interplanetary conflict than to put out"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "to the public a scenario of sexual"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "molestation, abduction, and what have"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "you. It's been very well thought"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "through. It's very carefully put"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "together. It is all a deception. [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "And I think that it has been created for"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "the express purpose from [music] the"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "people I've met with in these programs"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "who have done these things to uh put out"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "to the public [music] a xenophobic"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "fearsome view of all things ET"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "because it's only when you have what's"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "perceived as [music] a evil enemy that"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "you can motivate people to make the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "sacrifices [music] to support a war."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "In other words, it's very necessary to"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "demonize one's enemy because if the"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "enemy isn't adequately demonized, people"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "will not make the adequ the sacrifices"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "requisite to support the infrastructure"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "for warfare. [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Now, if you are running a $1 trillion"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "global thing called the military"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "industrial sector, which just hit a"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "trillion dollars last year, [music] and"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "it's looking like world peace is going"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "to have to be established or we're going"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "to have every country in the world with"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "thermonuclear devices going off, the"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "only way to give a lifeline"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "to a1 trillion dollar business, which is"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "a very, very large business, is to have"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "another enemy. You have to resurrect"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "another enemy. [music] So the way that"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "you do this is to first begin to"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "introduce primarily through the UFO"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "subculture unwittingly. I'm not saying"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "these abduction people know what they're"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "doing when they report these [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "things as extraterrestrial events. They"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "don't. They're victims also. But it you"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "have to get out to the public a"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "perception of something that's powerful"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "enough and fearsome enough [music] to"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "justify"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "a continued largecale military operation"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "which can then be offplanet. It can"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "[music] be based in space. And if you"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "look at where the real action is today"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "in the military, I know at meetings I've"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "had at the Pentagon, this is discussed"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "[music] a great deal, is the"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "militarization of space, is the moving"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "into space most of our strategic assets"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "and capabilities. And this is being done"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "quite deliberately. Um, and I think that"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "for that reason there is a um a sort of"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "fasile tendency in the public to"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "overlook the obvious."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "We look at information that's given to"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "us about so-called ET contact and we"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "fail to ask what component of it is"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "contrived. What component of it is human"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "and hoaxed? Uh what component of it is a"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "misperception [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "of some other phenomenon like an out-of-"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "body experience with something astral."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "And because of this there are about you"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "know a dozen categories of events that"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "are all being called alien encounters."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "[music] And you have a database"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "therefore which has been uh very poorly"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "put together, has not been scrutinized"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "scientifically very well at all. uh and"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "which is then being used to be put out"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "to the public [music] to paint these"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "scenarios"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "which are extremely xenophobic [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "and which are uh laying the foundations"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "and the underpinning psychologically"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "for fear of the unknown, fear of the"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "extraterrestrial and therefore uh to"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "justify uh a military response to the"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "problem. Now, one of the to tell you how"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "severe a problem this is, one of the"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "military guys that was uh invited to"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "Washington in 97 to brief the members of"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "Congress that we had assembled there was"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "a man who was a contract worker for Air"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "Force intelligence at a very sensitive"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "area. Uh and by the way, your really hot"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "stuff is done under work for other"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "contracting"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "uh arrangements. Um, and this man had"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "called me up and and said, 'You know, I"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "don't know anything about the"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "extraterrestrial end of this,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "but I think I have something you need to"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "know. I said, well, I'm the director of"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the center for the study of"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "extraterrestrial intelligence. Well, why"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "are you calling me if it's not ET? He"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "says, well, it it it's related, but it"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "doesn't really deal with the ET thinks."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "And he proceeded to tell me as I later"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "found other people in the in the"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "community, [music] the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "community who confirmed this that the uh"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "he was sat in on meetings where a"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "plan had been [music] devised and is"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "fully operational and fully ready to be"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "activated where things that look like"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "UFOs"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "manned with creatures that look alien"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "would be used in an Independence Day"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "type attack on some of our assets, some"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "of our human assets for the purpose of"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "making it look like we were under some"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "kind of extraterrestrial attack. And"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "I've called this the cosmic Gulf [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "of Tonkan scenario. you know, the Gulf"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "of Tonkan and in in the Vietnam War era"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "where we basically hoaxed and"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "exaggerated the attacks on our our"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "vessels in the Gulf of Tonkan which"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "served as the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "operation to justify an expansion of the"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "Vietnam War and expansion of funding for"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "the Vietnam War. Well, this is that on a"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "much larger scale. And this man had sat"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "in on meetings where this had been"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "discussed and and where the you know"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "where the the assets had been laid out"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "and discussed how they would be used."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "So, I think people need to understand"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "that uh this is like shooting fish in a"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "barrel as far as the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "community to be able to launch something"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "that creates enough uh negative spin for"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "the public to begin to hate everything"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "ET or to see factions [music] that"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "should be sided against because that"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "whole dualistic paradigm of conflict"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "is really the only thing that can"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "sustain war."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "Uh and unfortunately in the absence of"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "any serious diplomatic efforts, you"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "know, where are wise elders? Where are"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "our diplomats? Where are statesman's on"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "this [music] issue? There are none"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "because they're all out of the loop. And"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "so what we're left with is rumor,"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "innuendo, disinformation, [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "hoaxed cases, and the world is very"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "vulnerable. World peace is very"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "vulnerable in that scenario. This is why"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "secrecy is so dangerous and so so"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "potentially [music] catastrophic when"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "you're dealing on this level, when"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "you're dealing at this very high level."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "By the way, that particular intelligence"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "witness never got to testify. He um his"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "handlers uh surfaced. He had not talked"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "to them in a number of years. He got a"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "phone call. I was there. he was asked uh"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "to uh suspend his efforts to tell this"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "part to these members of Congress"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "because there were chairman of"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "committees at this briefing. I mean, no"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "doubt about this was a big [music] deal,"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "biggest deals ever happened in the UFO"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "field."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": ">> And uh the the what happened, of course,"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "is that they came and picked him up,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "took him out to Virginia countryside,"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "and [music] they didn't return him back"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "to the Weston Hotel, Georgetown, where"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "we were having these briefings, till"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "after midnight, and all the congressmen"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "had left. and he wrote a note, which I"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "have, and he says, \"These people begged"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "him to [music] not to disclose what I"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "just told you, to these members of"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "Congress until they could [music] fix"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "things because they were trying to get"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "this rearranged and change some of these"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "plans, but that they needed [music] some"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "time. They needed an 18-month period or"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "something like that, which is now"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "passed. So what one of the things I have"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "tried to do is [music] to expose"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "some of these agendas so that our"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "national military command authorities"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "and our national security authorities"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "and the UN secretary general and the UN"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "security [music] council would not be"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "caught in a surprise attack which would"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "be hoaxed [music] and which would be set"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "up expressly"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "to be able to stampede world"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "policy [music] into a bellose position"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "against extraterrestrials. That is one"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "of the real things. I mean 90% of what"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "I've been doing has been behind the"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "scenes on this level trying to educate"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "people about these [music] risks who are"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "in senior positions in government. One"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "of the issues then speaks to how"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "advanced are these capabilities? Well,"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "they're extremely [music] advanced."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "Um, my military adviser, a man who can"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "walk into the Pentagon and if a member"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "of the Joint Chiefs of Staff hears his"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "voice, they'll say, \"Will, is that you?\""}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "And has set up many of my meetings. Was"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "read into programs where he personally"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "saw these were called non-lethal weapon"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "systems. It's a euphemism where and it's"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "a device. [music] It's off-the-shelf"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "technology. has been off the shelf since"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "the 70s where you can take this device,"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "target you or a whole group of people"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "and give them any experience you want to"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "give [music] them. It's electronics,"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "very powerful electronics that are"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "subtle and that can program an"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "experience. [music] These are used in"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "abduction scenarios along with things"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "that are called alien reproduction"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "vehicles. ARVs [music] look like a UFO"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "because they're based on the same basic"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "design, but they're not of"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "extraterrestrial origin. So there's the"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "real phenomenon and it is there is I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "not saying that there's no real"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "extraterrestrial contact. There is"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "people do have it. But many of those"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "people end up having an abduction event"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "piggyback on their real experience."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Why? Because they want them to be"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "confused about what's really going on."}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "Subscribe, [music] turn the bell on, and"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "keep watching because what comes next"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "goes deeper than this."}]

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And let me tell you this stuff is"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "very [music] good. You know, my military"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "advisor said the stuff that he knows was"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "developed at White Oaks facility in"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "Maryland."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "That are these electronic systems that"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "interface with thought [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "and can cause someone to have whatever"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "experience they program are so good. And"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "this is a quote. 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And the guys the the"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "their biggest fear is that people like"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "me will stand up and talk about this"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "You know, and uh Bob Brown will let me"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "speak here, but your mainstream UFO"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "organizations will never let me speak"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "because I will [music] I've never been"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "well, I've never been"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "but and I'll tell you why. 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And"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "I think that this is a very serious"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "question we need to begin to ask"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "ourselves. [music] I found out from a"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "guy named Martin Cannon"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "that he had presented very compelling"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "evidence back in the '80s"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "that there was a clustering of military"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "related abductions near military"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "facilities and in military families and"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "among military personnel using things"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "that look a hell of a lot like an ET"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "thing, but it's not."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "He was blackballed from every convention"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "from every mainstream [music] UFO"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "conference. His research was excellent."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "He was silenced. He was suppressed"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "and what have you. Now, you have to ask"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "yourself why."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "And I think that there's a real"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "responsibility here for the UFO"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "community"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "to begin to police itself a little"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "better. That if evidence comes forward"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "from [music] people such as Dr. Helmut"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Lammer in Austria and I've been"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "collaborating on this whole military"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "abduction angle."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "Instead of just shouting that person"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "down and saying, \"Oh, it's too"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "outrageous to be true.\" [music] It needs"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "to be looked at."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "And I think that this is not happening"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "and the result is that the consumers,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "the public,"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "are being given, I think, a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "hogwash"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "pretending to be good research."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "And the whole database needs to be"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "crashed and restarted. And if it isn't"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "And the sad thing is, I have spoken to"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "very prominent abduction researchers who"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "have privately told me"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "that they have many cases where they're"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "convinced there is a strong military"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "involvement in these abductions, [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "but they have never written about this"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "and they have never spoken about it. And"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "some of them have even shouted down"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "people like me who begin to bring this"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "out. And the reason for that, I think,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "is because people are afraid they're"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "going to get egg on their face, that"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "they were certifying things as alien,"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "extraterrestrial, when perhaps they"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "weren't. And that maybe we need to back"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "up here and figure out, before we go"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "running and screaming the sky is falling"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "like Chicken Little, maybe we need to"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "back up and begin to ask the question,"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> \"How much of this is what we think it"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "is?\""}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "And I don't think unless you penetrate,"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "as we have done,"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "military intelligence and corporate"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "[music] technologies"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "that have the capacity to feign or hoax"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "things [music] that look"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "extraterrestrial, unless you've been"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "able to penetrate that, you're not going"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "to be able to know whether someone's"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "experience was real"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "or contrived"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "by humans."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "And I think this is the big problem."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "It's a little bit like a physician in"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "the emergency [music] department"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "having one"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "thing in their differential diagnosis"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "for chest [music] pain, heart attack."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "The only thing that you're trained to"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "identify with chest pain is that"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "person's having a heart attack. Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "what if they're having a collapsed lung?"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Or what they have a dissecting thoracic"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "aneurysm? [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "Where the where the the thoracic aorta"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "is splitting open. Or what if they have"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "a mixoma, a cancer that's growing in in"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "in part of the heart. Or what if they"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "have an infection in the lining of the"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "lungs that feels Or what if they have an"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "esophageal There are 115 things that"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "this chest pain could be. But if you've"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "only been told that there's only one"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "thing, everything that comes to you that"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "has that characteristic, you're going to"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "call chest pain. Well, in this case,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "just replace chest pain with alien"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "abduction. So, there's there's all these"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "different phenomena that are occurring."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "And the people that are oriented towards"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "deceiving the public know [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "that people don't have an adequate"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "cosmology."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "And the reason I spent a lot of time in"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "this book A lot of this book deals with"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "this cosmological understanding of"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "how the universe is structured and what"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "technologies exist that can interface"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "with the astral world,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "with mind, with thought, with the astral"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "body, [music] with the physical body. I"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "mean, all these things are complexities"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "that we feel have got to be elucidated"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "in order to have an adequate"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "understanding uh and to be able to avoid"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "being fooled by those who would like to"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "have us sign off on"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "another"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "world war, which would be, as Douglas"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "MacArthur said to Congress,"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "interplanetary. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "He said the next World War will be"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "interplanetary."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "And there are people who have that as an"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "agenda. I would say we need to stand up"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "and say, \"Hell no, we don't need to do"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "that.\" But if a bunch of UFOs descended"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "from the sky"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "and blew up some of our strategic"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "assets,"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "virtually every person on the planet"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "would think we were in [music] an"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Independence Day scenario of alien"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "attack when it's being run out of an"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "underground facility in Utah using human"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "manufactured devices."}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "And who's is to know the difference?"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "Well, one of my jobs"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "that I've taken on is to be sure"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "the head of the DIA and the CIA [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "and the Joint Staff and the UN Secretary"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "General and others know about this"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "scenario so that their eyes are open if"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "something like that is attempted to roll"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "out on top of them."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "Yes, sir."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> Uh I think the ET abduction and"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "hybridization program is for real. I"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "think it's important [music] for the"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "creation of a new race."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "And I think the reason that ETs do not"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "take sperm or eggs, more particularly,"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "from banks is because the mother is"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "important. I think the human"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "participation is important."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "And I do think that the mothers of these"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "children recognize them as their"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "children. I don't think that's something"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "that's"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "you know, can be hoaxed by the"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "government. And an example is the"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "speaker that we had this morning who's"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "standing right here. Um"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "if you'd like to"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "say anything."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> Do you have a question? I I mean,"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "do you have a question?"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": ">> Right. Well, I just wanted to challenge"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "your premise that the government I know"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "the government is involved in faking"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "But I believe that this other is going"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "on and is more important than what the"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "government is doing."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "That's"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> Well, I opened my comments by saying"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "that there are multiple phenomena going"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "on."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> They were asking me about abductions. I"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "call abductions"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "by definition human initiated events."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "There are extraterrestrial contact"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "[music] that is also happening. And"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "there are a number of things happening"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "with that. There are multiple purposes"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "to it."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "But they're not what's being presented"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "generally to the public."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "Now, whether or not there are"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "genuine extraterrestrial experiments"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "dealing with reproductive needs and what"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "have you,"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "I believe it when I see the evidence for"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "All I What I do know is that there is"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "very strongly and very definitely"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "a military"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "hoaxing"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:42", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> component to this,"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "which is the predominant thing that's"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "presented. And unless people know that"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "both things are possible, they're going"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "to think all of it is [music] the same,"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "and it isn't."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Uh that much I could agree with."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": ">> That's my central point. Now, there are"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "many ways in [music] which"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "extraterrestrials have had and have made"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "contact with humans, and I don't think"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "it's recent. I [music] mean, you could"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "make the argument that Homo sapiens as a"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "species"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "were"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "the result of a number of"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "extraterrestrial genetic interventions"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "and augmentations over the last few"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "hundred thousand years."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "Um and there are people who subscribe to"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "that, and I wouldn't say that that's an"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "impossibility. And whether or not we're"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "at the at the beginning of a new period"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "of augmentation,"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "it's something that you can say. But"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "what I want to be very clear on is that"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "the extraterrestrial contact is"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "something which is rarely reported and"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "[music] understood."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "The human abduction stuff is the"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "predominant material that's out [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "on the street. And for that reason,"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "people's understanding of"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "extraterrestrial contact, I believe, is"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "extremely confused"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "and mixed in with disinformation"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "deliberately."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "And I think that's why we have to be"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "[music] very, very careful that we don't"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "accept everything that looks and sounds"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "and walks like a duck as a duck, because"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "there are a lot of things out there that"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "aren't ducks that quack like them and"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "walk like them."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "And I think this is something that"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "requires a certain amount of"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "sophistication in the research"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "community, and I'm saying that I think"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "that that sophistication is lacking"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "And and I think that's a real problem."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "Uh and I think in order to get to get an"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "understanding of what's really going on"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "with extraterrestrials, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "have to have a very clear understanding"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "of what's going on with humans."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "And then we can begin to sort the two"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": ">> Thanks for staying till the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "watching because [music] what comes next"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "goes deeper than this."}]

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I'll tell"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "you when it should have been achieved."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "About 1950,"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "49 years ago or so, give or take. 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Because I've spoken"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "directly to a number of people who have"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "been in those projects and who have"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "proven to my satisfaction. 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But they're locked away in"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "ultra secret black budget projects that"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "would take an act of God to get them out"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "[music] to benefit humanity."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "But the benefit would be huge."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "He also said there are no private"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "conversations anywhere on the planet."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "Now what's interesting about that, not"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "to go down sort of a paranoia bent"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "because I'm not that I'm not paranoid"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "about these things at all. 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And when"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "you start talking about something which"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "in its aggregate [music] would have a"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "greater impact on the world upon its"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "disclosure than the industrial"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "revolution,"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "the information age revolution, the"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "[music] telecommunications revolution,"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "all these technologies and all these"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "breakthroughs since the mid 1800s"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "would be like a spark in [music] front"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "of the done by comparison and the reason"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "for that is that the nature of the"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "technologies which are being held back"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "a decision was made consciously to do so"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "a long time ago back in the day when"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "they said what's good for GM is good for"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "the America remember the slogan I mean"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "yeah it used to be"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "and that these technologies"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "once they are out of the bag are going"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "to be out pretty much forever"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "And that means goodbye Exxon,"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "goodbye oil, goodbye Dow Jones"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Industrials, goodbye the current"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "geopolitical order, goodbye public"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "utilities, goodbye electric transmission"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "lines, goodbye [music] road building"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "outside of villages and towns."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "We're talking a multi- trillion dollar"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "per year impact and it would be sudden."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "the good news is that it can be done."}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "The bad news is that we've waited so"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "damn long to do it."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "Should have been done in 1950."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "that the world today has an economy"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "that's many hundreds of times bigger"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "than it was in post World War II and is"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "also much more dependent globally on"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "[music] fossil fuels, internal"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "combustion engines, conventional power"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "supply, transmission lines, and the"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "like."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "And if you let this out"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "of the little black bag that it's in,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "as the old, as the song goes, it's the"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "end of the world as we know it. You"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "know, that rock song that came out a"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "couple years ago, it will be the end of"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "the world as we know it. It will eclipse"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "every industrial and technological"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "revolution in the history of the world."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "So I say this not to rationalize or to"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "be an apologist for the secrecy but to"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "explain it and it's not just money. One"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "of the things that I go into in a couple"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "of chapters in this book is why the"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "secrecy"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "but before you get there you have to get"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "to the how, which I want to touch on a"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "little bit later. I want to talk about"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "the why first this time because I think"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "this group is ready to hear this."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "What happens when you have a device"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "a little bit bigger than this table can"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "be at your house or in your business"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "generates all the energy you need"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "[music] out of the zero point field as"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "how put off and others call it"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and which does not require a fuel source"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "creates no pollution. It doesn't cause"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "nuclear waste to be created"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "and you can't put a meter on it. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "it'll have mechanical parts will be need"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "to be serviced and repaired from time to"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "time, but the pipeline of actual"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "combustible fuels will be shut off. Oil"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "will be used for [music] plastics and"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "things of this sort. 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But"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "aside from the multi-t trillion dollar"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "impact the disclosure of the UFO subject"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "would create."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "One of the issues that I've begun to"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "discuss with people at the Defense"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "Intelligence Agency and at the Pentagon"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "and at the National Science Foundation"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "and elsewhere is the issue of how that"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "would begin to change the world's basic"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "structure."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "And this is the heart of the secrecy."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "How does the world run today?"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "Well, it's very topheavy."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "You have 225 [music] people in the world"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "today who have the net worth of about"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "the lower 50% of the entire world's"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "population. 2 and a half billion people"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "[music] have the same asset base as 225"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "families and individuals."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "But what happens"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "when every village in India or in"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "subsahara Africa"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "or in the Amazon [music] can have a"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "device that generates all the energy"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "they need. They don't need to cut down"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "the rainforest for charcoal to cook"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "their food."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "And they're able to manufacture with"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "zero energy cost, close to zero,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "without building multi-billion dollar"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "infrastructures of transmission and"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "power lines."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "and without having to pay for gas or"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "coal or oil."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "The Bible says even the desert shall"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "bloom."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "It'll be a big change. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "But guess what? Europe and America have"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "10% of the world's population. About 600"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "million people out of six billion. We"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "just hit six billion people this past"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "year."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "What happens when the other"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "90% of the population of the world"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "begins to have the gross domestic"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "product the level [music] of of"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "technological and economic output that"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "we have? Well, I'll tell you right now,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "geopolitical power flows from the"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "technological assets [music] and"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "economic engine of a country."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Whether it's Russia which is on its"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "knees right now and has a waning"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "geopolitical influence or India which"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "has four times the population of the"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "United States but not even a centilla of"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "its influence [music] geopolitically."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "What happens when all these other"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "peoples of the world begin to live in"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "dignity and abundance"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "etc."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "We'll have to share the geopolitical"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "apple cart. the apple cart's going to be"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "turned upside down and the first world"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "which is now"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "very dominant the so-called"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "industrialized west and Japan will begin"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "to have to actually share real geolo"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "geopolitical power with"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "India China with their 1.2 two billion"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Subsahara Africa, a billion people"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "It's the end of the world as we and our"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "forefathers [music] have known it. And"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "it will change everything."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "This is the reason for the secrecy."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "Money is secondary and is only a symbol"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "for this kind of power. [music] And this"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "kind of raw power, massive power, is"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "what this game has been about and"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "continues to be about. Make no mistake"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "about it. Thanks for staying to the end."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "There's more waiting for you on this"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "channel. Subscribe, turn the bell on,"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "and keep [music] watching because what"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "comes next goes deeper than this."}]

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I don't know"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "what you're talking about."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "There is a bullet with my name on it if"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "I [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "do not follow that proceed at our own"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "hands,"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> unnecessarily, for 50 years. It's time"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "for it to stop."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "But who's going to make it stop?"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "I have had"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "the shocking experience of briefing a"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "number of senators and members of"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "Congress who have confided in me that"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "they are convinced after talking to a"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "dozen or so of our top secret witnesses"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "that we've identified who worked in"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "these projects, after looking at some of"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "the evidence that we have, and looking"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "at the By the way, by the way, all"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "that's in this [music] book, you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "it's it's we just put everything I put"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "everything we could in this book. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "about 550 pages. And what's interesting"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "is that with without exception,"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "these people in Congress, the ones who"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "are humble enough to say,"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "\"I haven't known about this, and I do"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "now, and I think there's really"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "something to this.\" When I have said,"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "\"Will you hold a hearing"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "at which the 200 or so military,"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "intelligence, aerospace, and other"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "witnesses"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> with whom we are working can be"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "subpoenaed and testify"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "under oath before the world, CNN there,"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "C-SPAN, whatever it is?\""}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Every one of them have said, \"Well, why"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "don't you go talk to so-and-so on the"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "Armed Services Committee?\" You know, I"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "mean, this is the cosmic hot potato. And"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "you know, a friend of Henry Kissinger's"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "told me that when he heard about this,"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "he says, \"I don't want to hear about it."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "It's the hottest goddamn potato in the"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "universe, and give it to someone else.\""}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "The problem with this is that"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "this issue has been"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> by neglect and design kept off"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "our leaders' radar screens and off the"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "public radar screen, not because it is"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "trivial,"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "although it's been trivialized by the"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "media and the UFO community and what"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "have you, not because it's not"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "substantial,"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "but because it has so much behind it."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "It has"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "The implications of this issue are so"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "vast and so profound that no aspect of"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "[music] life on Earth would be untouched"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "by its revelation. And let me tell you,"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "if you tell someone,"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "\"Here's a UFO, and it's real.\""}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "In 1 nanosecond, if not half of one,"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> any guy worth his weight at MIT or any"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "other Caltech is going to say, \"How does"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "it operate?\" And if they ask that"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "question, we've got [music] people who"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "will answer it."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "And when that answer is forthcoming,"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the technology will be out. And when the"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "technology is out, it's adios"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "trillion-dollar oil fields and adios"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "geopolitical order as it currently is"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "configured."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "All of that is going to change. This is"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "a tectonic [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "shift. The thing that hit Turkey is"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "minor."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "God bless them. This is a huge issue,"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "and it's because it has so many vast"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "implications"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "that it's been kept secret"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "out of neglect and out of design. Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "let me talk about the the the part."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "The neglect part is when"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "you meet with a presidential aid or a"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "member of the Senate Intelligence"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "Committee as I have and you give them"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "this information and they then say"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "\"Well, you know, I'm just a little"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "senator.\""}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "One of the guys I met with for quite a"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "while was a guy named Senator Richard"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "Bryan from Nevada. God bless him. He's"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "on the Senate Intelligence Committee or"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "was at that time."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "And he told me, he said"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "\"Well, who else have you talked to about"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "this?\" I said, \"Well, the Boutros Ghalis"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "at the UN and the the Woolsey, the CIA"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "director and so-and-so, the president's"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "aide to this and that.\" He says, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "hell, I'm just a you know"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "I'm just a little I said, \"Ah, see"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "everyone tries to get off the hook.\" I"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "said, \"Yeah, but you know what?"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "If the President of the United States"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "makes a directed inquiry into these"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "projects, he's usually told a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "hogwash."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "It's called an unacknowledged project"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "[music] and anyone in this room who says"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "that they don't exist is either naive or"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "a liar."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "And here's how they work."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "This lady right here is a general. I'm a"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "colonel."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "I'm nobody, but let's pretend. We'll"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "make believe."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "And she is a four-star over an entire"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "branch of the military and I'm a colonel"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "and she"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "comes to me out of a hunch or what have"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "and says"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "\"Colonel, what do you know about project"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "X?\""}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "My instructions, if I'm in that project"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "and it's truly an unacknowledged special"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "[music] access project, is to turn to"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "the general and say, \"Sir or madam,"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "no such project exists. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "what you're talking about.\""}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "There is a bullet with my name on it if"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "I [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "do not follow that procedure."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "That's how the game is played And a"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "certain amount of it is again out of"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "design and a certain amount out of"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "neglect. Now, can the president find out"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "perhaps more than he has? Yes."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "But when Tony Lake tried to bring this"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "issue up to him,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> the National Security Advisor to the"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "President, President stopped him and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "said to him, \"Does this impact national"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "security?\""}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "And Tony said, \"No.\""}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "And he says, \"I don't want to hear about"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "it.\""}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "True story."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "Have the guys who were in there. Now, as"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "a result, I was on my way to the 50th"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "anniversary of the UN"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "forming."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "I was there going to go and hear Strobe"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "[music] Talbott and some other people"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "speak. And I wrote something that's in"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "this book."}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "And it's called the National Security"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "Implications of the UFO extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "subject. It's in here. It's a briefing I"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "wrote as a counterpoint to what Tony"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Lake told the President back in 1995."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "In '94, when the inquiry was made and"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "the President said, \"I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "hear.\" So, there's responsibility on all"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "sides."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "But an unacknowledged [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "special access project, USAP, is the"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "proper one of the proper terms for a"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "black, truly black budget project."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "They're huge."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "I believe they're illegal. It's my"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "opinion. Other people will say they're"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "not."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "They're certainly, I think, outside of"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "what Constitution provides. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "I live down the road from Monticello,"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Thomas Jefferson's [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "home down in Albemarle County, Virginia,"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "now. And I'll tell you that it's hard"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "for me to imagine [music] that the"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "founders of our country or those who"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "wrote the Bill of Rights or the"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "Constitution or any of the laws"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "would have sanctioned a CIA director"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "or a president or member of"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "the Senate Intelligence Committee being"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "bold-faced lied to about something"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "that's important upon a directed"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "inquiry. I'm not talking about them just"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "not being told about things that are"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "going on. I'm talking a directed inquiry"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "from the chief executive officer of the"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "United States"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "or his CIA director or"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "senior members of the joint staff that"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "I'm met that I'm meeting with who are"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "routinely lied to about the subject."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "Now, here's another implication."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "You know, the news media has become so"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "tabloidized that they believe an"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "investigative report"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "is figuring out"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "who's doing what with which body part"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "and what part of the Oval Office."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "You know,"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "I you know, I'll tell you"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "not to sanction that or"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "that the issues facing our world today"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "are much more important than what the"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "media would like you to [music] believe."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "The fourth estate, therefore, is another"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "part of the problem. You have this"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "[music] military-industrial complex that"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Eisenhower talked about"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "and which he could not penetrate."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "So have said his aides [music] to us,"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "those that are still living."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "But you also have a media which has"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "fallen asleep at the wheel."}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "The fourth estate isn't the fourth"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "estate anymore. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "And a man who uh"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "a friend of mine who's had been the head"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "of the Time bureau in New York and later"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "became a board member of Time Life"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "before it got gobbled up by Warner."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "It's another story."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "Told me this. He had some documents,"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "some of which are in this book,"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "that he gave to a man named Mike"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "Wallace."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "60 Minutes."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "Mike Wallace was going to do a story."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "He was going to chase this thing down."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "Westinghouse,"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "big defense contractor, owns CBS, and"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "the corporate lawyer said, \"You will not"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "do this story.\""}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "It's one of the few times Now, this is"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "from a personal friend of Mike Wallace."}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "He'll deny this because it would attack"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "his journalistic integrity."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> But, this is from one of his best"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "friends."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "And they would not let this story go."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "So, what this man said to me, this"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "friend of Mike Wallace, he said, \"Look,"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "the fourth estate, [music] instead of"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "being one of the checks and balances of"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "our system, have become scribes sitting"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "beside the throne of the king, [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "taking dictation.\""}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "This is a problem, my friends. It's a"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "very serious problem in a democracy."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "And then you have"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "the issue of our leadership."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "I'm not going to bore you with the"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "details of all the people I have met"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "with and talked to about this issue, but"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "every single thing that I have told them"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "is in this book, and you can get it if"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "you want it."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "And basically, in every one of these"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "briefings, I have said, \"The issue This"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "issue"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "has become a cancer,"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "which is destroying our democracy all"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "over the world,"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> and is withholding from the public"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "technologies which could enable us to"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "transition into,"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": ">> albeit with a few hiccups and bumps"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "along the way,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "into a sustainable civilization,"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "which would not need to cannibalize the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "[music] Earth"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "to live.\""}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "Is there any greater thing facing our"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "planet, whether we're going to become"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "extinct or not [music] in the our"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "lifetime? I think this is a big deal."}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "And yet, and I'm you know, Bob Brown on"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "the way from the airport last night, I"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "don't know where Bob went, but he he"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "turned to me and he said,"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "\"Have you explained"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "the the gravity of this situation to"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "these elected officials or to the CIA"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "director or to these sign I said, yes."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Not only yes, but hell yes, as my"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "military folks say. And and we have been"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "very explicit about not only the fact"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "that the subject has massive"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "implications for the future and also the"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "past in terms of [music] rewriting"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "history a little."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "The history the real history of the 20th"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "century has never been written."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "it would enable us to change"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "the fundamental direction of our"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "society."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "And there's a wonderful Chinese"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "a professor"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "suddenly was talking to me a moment ago"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "and I I said, you know, that the Chinese"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "put things so beautifully and one of the"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "one of the old sayings in China is,"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "\"Unless we change directions, we're"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "likely to end up where we are going.\""}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> Yeah, now of course I mean people laugh"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "and I say, yeah, but look at where we're"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "going."}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "I mean, we are going we are a terminal"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "civilization."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "And I mean a truly terminal"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "civilization."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "Our social structures,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "our ecosystem, the air we breathe, the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "waters, the land, the species, all are"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "terminating"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "at our own hands."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "Unnecessarily. For 50 years, it's time"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "for it to stop."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "But who's going to make it stop?"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "back in 1993, [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "a group of us got together after a"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "couple of very spectacular C SETI CE5"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "events, close encounters of the fifth"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "kind when we initiate contact with these"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "UFOs and they respond. We'll talk about"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "this later in the talk."}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "How do you do that?"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "What happens when that goes on?"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "And we said, you know, we can't take"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "this too much further without addressing"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "something else. And they said, we're not"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "doing this in a vacuum."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "We really need to have the world know"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "the truth about this subject"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "and we should have our leadership begin"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "to take"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "a role in"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "managing [music] something this"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "critical. We need our wise men. We need"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "our"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "uh, you know, statesmen. We need people"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "besides"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "guys running around in hats"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "and black budget projects running this"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "show."}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "People who have not been appointed nor"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "elected to deal with it."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": ">> It needs to come out. And so we started"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "saying, well, let's see. Let's first"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "approach the executive branch of the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "The president and these folks. And we"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "[music] did that."}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "And the president"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "didn't want to take on this issue."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "Frankly, a good friend of his, quite a"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "good friend of his, a man who helped get"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "him elected in '92, who's on our team,"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "very"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "connected political operative,"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "came to my house and said,"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "and I don't think I've ever said this on"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "tape, but I'm going to say it. Who"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "knows? I don't know how much longer I'll"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "be here. Might as well get to say what"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "I'm going to say."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "And he said to me,"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:01", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": ">> we're afraid that if the president does"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "what you're recommending to him in this"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "briefing, that I gave a whole outline of"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "how this thing should be resolved"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "to CIA Director Woolsey and to some"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "other key people around the president"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "back in late '93, early '94. And that"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "whole document is in this book, also, by"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "the way."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "You know, the one I gave to Woolsey, put"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "in his hands. And what's interesting is"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "the president [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "friend that came to my house, this guy,"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "said, \"You know, we're afraid he'll end"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "up like Jack Kennedy.\""}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "And I thought he was, you know, I mean,"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "you cuz you think of"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "uh conspiracies and UFOs. This was a"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "little while back, and I thought, \"Come"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "on.\" And he says, [music] \"No, we're"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "serious.\""}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "I said, \"You think the president's going"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "to be killed if he steps out and does"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "something"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "assertive to get this thing [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "disclosed to the public?\" He says,"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "\"We're afraid he'll end up like Jack"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "Kennedy.\""}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "It's all he would say."}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "I said, \"Well, my god, [music] if that's"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "a real concern, we are in trouble.\""}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "Subsequent to that,"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "I talked to interviewed a man who had"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "worked with the"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "Jack Kennedy,"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "who confided in me the fact that Jack"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "Kennedy knew about the subject like"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "Eisenhower did, but the whole subject"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "was out of his hands, and he didn't know"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "why."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "The man was virtually in tears as he"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "told this story."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "Air Force officer."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "And then very recently,"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "I had this experience at [music] the"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "National Press Club,"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "where the president's, you know,"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "that there's a whole group of people"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "there who are called called the White"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "House Press Corps, who go to press"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "briefings, and one of them is this"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "this little lady in a wheelchair. She's"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "in her 80s, and Sarah McClendon, lovely,"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "lovely lady, very bright [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "still."}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "she had been looking into this and had"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "put out a few wire her own wire service"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "reports about stuff we've been doing,"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "which hadn't gone anywhere. The"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "mainstream media didn't pick it up, but"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "she's very respected and loved and and"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "revered [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "uh by the uh Washington Press Corps and"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "Walter Cronkite and Sam Donaldson and"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "whoever it is."}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "Well, she leaned over to me at this"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "[music] talk I was giving at the"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "National Press Club that she had invited"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "me to in March of this year."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "And she said, \"You know, I've been"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "hounding the president about [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "Trying to get him to do something about"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "this, about the work you're trying to"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "do, about the fact that there are all"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "these top secret witnesses who could"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "come forward and tell the truth about"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "this if they were given the stage on"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "which to do it. It won't be in Mesquite,"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "Nevada."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": ">> Sorry. Sorry, Bob. No. So, we'll talk"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "about the requirements for this in a"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "moment. But"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "but she she said that the president"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "finally bent down to her. And as you"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "she's sitting in a wheelchair,"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "and the president bends down and says,"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:17:59", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:01", "text": ">> \"Sarah,"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "there's a secret government within the"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "government, and I can't control it.\""}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:07", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Subscribe, [music] turn the bell on, and"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "keep watching because what comes next"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "goes deeper than this."}]

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They have assets fully"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "operational"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "that can do circles around your B2"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "stealth bombers and your F-17As"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "and your F-16s."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "And they're not using internal"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "combustion engines."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "But the power of the group that [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "runs projects related to this subject"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "eclipses the power of the US government"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "as you and I think of it. The"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "acknowledged, elected, [music] appointed"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "Ed Mitchell was with me in 1997 when I"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "took him to a meeting that I had"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "arranged at the Pentagon [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "with a man who is an admiral. And I"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "don't want to say who he is cuz he's"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "still in office and he's still being"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "helpful to us."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Very high up. Very high up. And Ed"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "Mitchell,"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "interestingly, he was interviewed by a"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "journalist recently. The journalist"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "called me because when the journalist"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "asked Ed Mitchell, \"Who's really running"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "the show on this and how are they"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "keeping the secrecy?\" Ed said, \"Go talk"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "to Dr. Greer cuz he's the one who's"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "taking me to these meetings.\""}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "What's happened [music] with this is"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "very very disconcerning. This man that I"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "briefed is one of the most powerful"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "people in the US government."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "And he told us"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "[music] that while he had no reason to"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "believe this information wasn't true, he"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "had no access to it."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "We had been providing some information"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "to him through [music] his aid,"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "a commander, military, a naval"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "commander."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "And we had this meeting that lasted, it"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "was supposed to be like a 45 minute to"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "an hour. It went for like over two hours"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "and we only had to break it because we"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "had other appointments and Ed Mitchell"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "had to get to New York for a meeting or"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "something. And the this admiral after"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "looking at the evidence, after hearing a"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "couple of these top secret witnesses"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "come forward at the meeting and tell"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "them what they had personally [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "handled and seen, turned to us and said,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "\"If this is true, I am horrified because"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "there's a group out there that"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "notwithstanding my position has"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "information [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "that certainly impacts on the national"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "security and on our operations which I"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "have no access to.\" I said, 'Yes, sir."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "And that's the [music] problem. And I"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "said, 'I'll make it one step worse for"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "you since we're getting into this area."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "They have assets fully operational"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "that can do circles around your B2"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "[music] stealth bombers and your F-17As"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "and your F-16s."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "And they're not using internal"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "combustion engines."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "And these have existed for a long time."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "And so the question is who has the trump"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "[music] card and how might they play it?"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Later, we were told by this office at"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "the Pentagon that they were able to"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "identify the existence,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "[music] this is 1997,"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "of the MJ12 group,"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "but that they could not penetrate it"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "because they were told they did not have"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "a need to know."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "True story. One of the days all this"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "detail is going to come out, names and"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "everything. I don't want to talk. These"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "people are still in office and we're"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "still working with them. As a result, I"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "wrote a little paper in here called"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "and this was then given to a very senior"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "person at the Defense Intelligence"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "Agency, a general there that we're"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "working with. 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And if you're in, you're in."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "And you know what you know, which is"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "usually a very small little piece"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "[music] of this."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "And if you don't maintain silence over"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "it, there are serious problems for you."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "And people say, \"Oh, well, you know, we"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "don't have pe [music] thugs running"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "around whacking people.\" Like, bloody"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "hell, we don't."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> [applause]"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> And there will be people who will tell"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "you that that doesn't happen [music] and"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "they are liars. I will say it in"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "advance."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "Lethal force is used. Unconstitutional"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "parallel tracks are used. Creative"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "funding sources are used. chief counsel"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "for the Senate Appropriations [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "Committee told me inside the Senate"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Appropriations Meeting Chamber"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "that there's somewhere between 40 and 80"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "billion dollar a year. 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It"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "needs to be corrected sooner rather than"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "later"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "because the implications could not be"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "more stark."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "The contrast between where we are today"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "and where we could have been [music] in"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "1950, but where we could be in the next"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "year or two could not be more stark."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "From a civilization which is terminal"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "and terminating to a civilization which"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "[music] becomes truly sustainable."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "To a society that pretends to be open"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "and democratic to one that really is."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "To a civilization that does not need to"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "cannibalize the earth and destroy the"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "air and the water to have a high"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "technological existence."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "instead of one which is rapidly"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "destroying our earth. 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None of them are"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "correct, I suspect. But it's another"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "story. But but that we need to begin to"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "view all of God's creatures"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "as conscious beings with whom we have"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "more in common"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "than they're being alien to us."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "There are those, however,"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "through false information, through"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "frightening scenarios,"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "through hoaxed"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "extraterrestrial events that are"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "actually run out of [music] black budget"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "projects would like for you to believe"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "that there's a fearsome alien threat"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "that we need to unite against and fight."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "I'm paraphrasing Ronald Reagan from the"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "80s. 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This will be really"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "expensive. And there's no reason for it."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "There's not a centilla of evidence that"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "these life forms are objectively hostile"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "towards Earth and humanity."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "Some of them may [music] not be"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "understood by us and we may not"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "understand all of their actions, but if"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "they were hostile towards us, [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "I assure you at the dawn of the nuclear"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "age, we would have been terminated."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "As soon as we had the ability to"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "detonate weapons of mass destruction and"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "[music] join that with the early"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "exploration of space, we would have been"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "terminated. If that was really where"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "they're coming from, it is not where"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "they're coming from."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "I believe the future will be [music] one"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "of both world and interplanetary peace."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "I call it universal peace. And there are"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "people who want a great war. They want"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "Armageddon before we get there. There"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "are people who want this kind of global"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "destruction."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "They may get it. I don't think we need"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "it. 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And if you understand the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "morphagenic field theory shell drakes"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "and others sort of like the hundth"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "monkey phenomenon [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "that there is a non-local"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "sort of omnipresent recruitment of"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "things once you move in a direction."}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "[music] So we need to choose our"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "direction wisely. We're on the threshold"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "of a whole new time."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "And it is our responsibility to create"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "that [music] time."}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "We need to dwell on what is good. We"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "need to be aware of what can be a"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "problem and fix it. Can't ignore the"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "leak in the roof. That deferred"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "maintenance is going to rot your roof"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "and your house eventually."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "But we need to look at the far horizon."}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "And I want to share with you a little"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "bit of what I see as that far horizon."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "And it's a little bit I make an analogy"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "to giving birth to a baby. I've never"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "given birth to a baby. Well, not without"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "a miracle, but there [music] but my I've"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "attended a whole bunch a couple hundred"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "births and I've delivered a couple"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "hundred. And I'll tell you what, there's"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "a lot of pain sometimes and a lot of"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "blood and poop and pee and mess and"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "screaming and [music] this and that. All"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "right, fine. But you know what? While"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "you're aware of that, those are the"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "that's the ma and those are the sort of"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "medical exigencies you have to be aware"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "of. But what you're really focused on is"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "that there's this new life [music] in"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "there, isn't there? Coming."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "I would suggest we should think of"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "ourselves as midwives for this next"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "world that's trying to [music] be born."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "Let's take care of the problems. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "there's a hemorrhage, let's fix it."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "If something's toxic, let's clean it up."}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "But let's view ourselves as midwives"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "trying to give an assistance [music] to"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "the birth of a new time. A time in which"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "the earth and her people will begin to"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "achieve its potential as a peaceful and"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "enlightened world. I believe that this"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "world will be here as a civilized place"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "for human development and advancement"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "for at least 500,000 more years."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "I I've seen it, you know, in my own"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "personal remote viewing and lucid dream"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "experiences. I have no doubt that that"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "is our future."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "But we have to create it and we have to"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "be mindful of the fact that there are"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "those who would like to hijack it"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "further from where it has been hijacked"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "for 50 years into another hijacking"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "that's under the sort of the the the the"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "general category of Star Wars,"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "interplanetary war."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "That's not an option, friends. People"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "might dream about it. People might"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "think, \"Isn't this fun? It's great to go"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "see a George [music] Lucas movie and see"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "everybody shooting it.\" Look,"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "[clears throat] the weapon systems are"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "such that the use of any system beyond"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "that of nuclear power, nuclear power and"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "all things beyond [music] it, and there"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "are things beyond it, which we have and"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "which other life forms have, will result"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "in the termination of our civilization."}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "This is not an option. We're at that at"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "that critical point where it's go not"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "go. We're going to be either make this"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "transition or we're not. But we're going"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "to make it somehow. I think through the"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "help of God and some of our friends and"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "ourselves and what have you. But don't"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "get into cosmic codependency and think"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "that the ETSs are going to do this for"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "us or big brother will or the president"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "will or that I will. We will. [music] I"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "mean, that's the thing. We've got to"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "come together to forge a vision for this"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "global transformation and work to make"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "it real because with everything else"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "going on, it doesn't really matter. You"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "know, if you if you're addicted to the"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "evil aliens versus the good aliens and"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "we're going to have this big war, well,"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "that may be what your consciousness and"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "thought will create, but God help us."}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "And I would say that I would rather work"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "on another effort [music] and that is"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "finding the common link amongst all"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "intelligent life realizing it's within"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "us and working with that to create a"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "future [music] that is peaceful. We can"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "do it."}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "deeper than this."}]

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Yet, there are a lot of"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "people in very powerful places at the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Pentagon, in the agency, [music] at the"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "NRO, at the NSA, and elsewhere who are"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "very much in favor of this getting done."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "He's the guy who had been in a facility"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "at Fort Wuko underground"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "where they have a number of ET craft and"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "[music] autopsied bodies stored. And he"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "told me this. He said, \"You're dealing"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "with an entity which is the most"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "powerful group in the world and they"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "will stop at nothing to maintain control"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "over this.\""}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Now, the question then becomes,"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "if that's the situation, it's going to"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "take one of two things. A presidential"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "commission that does an inquiry and"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "makes a report. That's not going to"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "happen. I just explained why. Or"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "a congressional hearing."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "We need one gadfly."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "One person [music] who does not care"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "what anyone thinks, who can't be bought,"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "and is not afraid of taking a bullet to"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "convene a hearing"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "on this [music] subject and subpoena"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "every last person that I know of that"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "has been involved in these projects"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "[music] who want to be subpoenaed and"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "about 20 or 30 who would not like to be"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "subpoena, but who will. And if they lie,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "I have people who will come forward and"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "say, \"I worked with the son of a"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "and he's lying.\" And they'll go and"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "perjure themselves before [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "Congress and they'll go to jail and"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "they'll lose their pension."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "Now, when could this have been done?"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "Five years ago, [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "four years ago, three years ago,"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "all the above. It hasn't been done. why"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "we have a crisis in leadership."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "And I want to return to this story of"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "the president's friend coming to my"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "house saying, you know, we're afraid he"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "might end up like Jack Kennedy and not"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "being cavalier. I didn't mean to be"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "cavalier, but I said, \"So,"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> I'm not asking him to do anything that"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "I'm not willing to do that he wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "ask our soldiers to do if he sent them"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "into a foreign war."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> [applause]"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": ">> And I said, \"Don't forget there are a"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "lot of people in very powerful places"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "[music] at the Pentagon, in the agency,"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "at the NRO, at the NSA, and elsewhere"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "who are very much in favor of this"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "getting done.\" [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "when I had then thrown down the gauntlet"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "to these members of Congress [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "because my attitude about this is, you"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "know, kind of put up or shut up at this"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "point. And of course, people have said"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "that to me. I said, we'd like to put"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "we're trying to [music] put up put up"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "where in Mosquite, Nevada"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "for the National Inquir, get real. You"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "know, where are you going to disclose"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "this? There's no point preaching to the"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "choir if we want this to happen. So, it"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "puts it on the radar screen of the world"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "and it gets dealt [music] with. It's"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "going to have to be somewhere besides"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "the pages of UFO magazine. No offense,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "folks."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "And the issue then becomes, can our"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "elected officials do this? Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "And when Senator Brian I flew, let me"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "tell you, this is a very funny. I flew"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "into McCarron Airport in Las Vegas after"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "a seady desert expedition in in Palm"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Springs. [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "And he flew in and we rendeed at this it"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "looked like a utility room. And we"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "entered it was this beautiful big"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "conference room in the airport. [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "You would have never guessed it. Looked"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "like something that the trash man would"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "use to put their card in at the outside."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "And when we talked about this, he"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "assured me. He says, \"I have never been"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "briefed on this subject as a member of"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "the Senate Intelligence Committee.\" I"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "said, ' Sir, I believe you because I've"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "met with folks"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "seephilad senior to your position who"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "have [music] also been left out of the"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "loop on this up to and including the"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "executive staff and the CIA director. He"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "says, \"Well, what am I going to do?\" And"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "I said, \"Hold a hearing."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "You have the ability. You've taken an"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "oath to uphold the Constitution of the"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "United States. All right, do it. hold a"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "hearing and subpoena these people and"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "let the information come out. It'll"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "begin the process of disclosure, healing"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "this cancerous secrecy, and start us on"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "the path of getting these technologies"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "out to the public in time to turn the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "ship around before we get into a"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "terminal ecosystem collapse, which we"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "are on the eve of."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "It's not 50 years off."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "So he turned to me and he said,\"Well,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "why don't you talk to so- and so on the"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "Senate Armed Services Committee?\" I"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "said, ' Because I'm talking to you right"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Now, you know, you've heard my reput. I"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "can be a son of a But the point"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "is, I wasn't trying to be obnoxious. I"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "was saying, \"Look, someone has got to"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "take responsibility for this. Who are"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "our elected and appointed"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "representatives in Congress?\""}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "Know why? Because the guys at the"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Pentagon who are on my side [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "can't do this unilaterally."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "They do not have executive power. They"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "do not have hearing power. [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "This is going to have to come out that"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "way or here's the third rail"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "through us. Us I mean you guys."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "Now, how you going to do it?"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "This is the hardest thing of all. I've"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "met with more people who have said,"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "\"Well, just do it.\" I said, \"Just do"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "what?\" \"We'll hold a press conference.\""}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "I said, \"We've done that.\""}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "We had about a dozen and a half of these"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "witnesses in Washington"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "on April 9th, 1997."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "On April 10th, they were briefing"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "members of Congress, including chairman"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "of committees that were there. One of"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "which told me, \"I want everything you"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "have on this, and we're going to pursue"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "it.\" It was Congressman Dan Burton of"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "Indiana writing and asked him, \"Why"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "aren't you doing it?\" He's chairman of"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "the House Government Reform and"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Oversight Committee, a [music] very"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "powerful committee. It's in the news all"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "the time."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "Ask govern Congressman Dan Burton why he"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "didn't follow through on a hearing."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "See if he'll tell you the truth. I knew"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "the truth cuz his chief of staff told"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "me. They were intimidated."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Doesn't matter. They still should do it."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "these people in our body politic"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "[music] if they can't do it we're going"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "to have to do it but how do you do that"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "at that particular time people came some"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "media a few media came there was an"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "article in the Boston Globe and this and"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "that the Sunday Times of London very"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "very nice article about what we were"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "doing sub about a year later I think the"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "USA Today had an article but they didn't"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "do an expose investigative report"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "because their editors tell them this is"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "sort of human interest fluff."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "They do and they do not move it up into"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "the stature of"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "where a cigar went into a body part or"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "some I don't know you know I mean it"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "doesn't reach the stature of a of a"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "trrist in the Oval Office. Look, you"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "know, we don't we so the question is if"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "you let's say someone said, \"Here's a"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "quarter of a million dollars to get a PR"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "firm and fly in 150 of these top secret"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "witnesses, put them up, have them at the"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "national press conference and do it. It"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "wouldn't work. Would not work."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "Absolutely would not work. I've spoken"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "to if the best PR firms, the RAN group,"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "and you name it. That would not do it."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "We've done sort of a small trial balloon"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "already. I know it won't work. Here's"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "what'll work. You're going to have to do"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "independent of big media, an independent"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "film series,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "five or six hours, five or six onehour"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "pieces"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "which you have total control over"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "content and editorial spin."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "tell you why. [snorts and music]"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "We've let a few of these lesser, lower"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "level witnesses out of the bag to be"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "interviewed."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "And here's what happens. They sit them"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "down, [music] do a talking heads"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "routine, and the next thing you see,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "they're spliced to someone who claims"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "they have babies floating around Alpha"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "Centauri in a in purple soup."}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "I kid you not. What has just happened to"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "that person's [music] veracity?"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "It's in the toilet. To put this thing"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "together, it needs to look like a 60"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "Minutes or a frontline episode."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "It's got to have only the best evidence"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "in it and the best top secret witnesses"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "who have been vetted by former CI"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "investigators, criminal investigators"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "who can check their [music] background"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "and vet them so we don't get hoaxed and"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "burned. And we have in the past, we've"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "made a lot of mistakes. And I'll tell"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "you why. We have absolutely no funding."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "So, we've had to do a lot of this by the"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "seat of our pants. If you're going to do"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "this, it's going to have to be done"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "right. The investigative cost for this"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "alone would be $100 to $200,000. If"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "anyone says they could do it for less,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "they're a liar."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "So, to do this, you're going to have to"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "put together through an independent"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "film, something that's not mobbed up"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "through one of the networks because"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "it'll if it does, it's going to look"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "like that thing that was on NBC this"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "spring. You remember? God help us. Set"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "us back 20 years. Now, look. And it's"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "going to have to be very rigorous, fastm"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "moving, and it's going to have to cover"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "three things. The information itself,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "the how of the secrecy, and the why. And"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "then [music] it's going to have to"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "bridge to the implications. Now, that's"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "going to take at least six one-hour"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "episodes to do."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "But that's not enough. That'll cost you"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "three million, two and a half, three"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "million, about half a million dollars an"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "hour to do that properly. Professional"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "production quality. Then you're going to"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "have to have I'm just telling you that"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "you know you can just get on our"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "website. We have all this up there. You"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "can and the other issue is that you're"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "going to have to have"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "before the first episode airs on"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "whatever network bids for it. And they"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "will once it's made they'll be bidding"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "for [music] it because it'll be hot"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "triple hot property. All right. This is"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "I mean they're look the media people are"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "money and the bottom line is"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "they're [music] going to see if it's"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "going to drive ratings and it will when"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "they see what's in this thing but they"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "can't make it because they all have"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "mentalities of 12y olds. It'll look like"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "something a 12-year-old boy will want to"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "see. Forget it. [music] Ain't going to"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "happen. Look like a bad issue of"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "unsolved mysteries like that NBC special"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "of the last spring. But before the first"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "episode airs, you have your press"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "conference at the National Press Club."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "We've already had it promised to us. And"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "you have the core of these witnesses"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "there. And you roll this thing out. And"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "then you have at the same time compendia"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "books of their testimony and all the"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "other evidence you've collected that are"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "released contemporaneously"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "with the documentary series. And then"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "the series is followed up by scientific"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "and other symposia where this thing"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "keeps moving and the witnesses are put"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "out there on every talk show and you"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "keep this going for [music] at least a"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "year"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "globally."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "You're not going to do that with $3.85"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "and you're not going to do it by giving"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "control of the project to NBC."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "Now, I'm just being very I'm being very"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "honest about the reality. We've been"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "around the world. I'll tell you an"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "interesting [music] story. After the"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "Sunday Times covered these congressional"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "briefings we did in 97, two years ago,"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "I was asked to meet with a a member of"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "the BBC uh executive staff and and a man"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "who is the head of the science page for"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "the uh Sunday Times of London, a very"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "prestigious newspaper. He's the one who"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "actually wrote the article about what C"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "said he was doing with this effort to"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "get the truth out."}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "And they said, \"We'd like to do this uh"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "series on this.\" I said, \"Oh, that's"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "great.\" I was very excited. Cleared my"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "calendar, went over to, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "England, met Sherry and I were meeting."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "Uh it was before Sher Adamck, my"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "assistant of six years died. She was"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "sick, but she was still alive. And we"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "met with them, and we were very, you"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "know, hopeful. And I said, \"Well, how"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "would this be structured?\" They said,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "'Well, just give us what you have and"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "trust us. [music] Wink wink and a"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "handshake and we're going to do a wham"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "bang job on this. I said, 'Hello. I"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "said, I didn't, you know, I may be from"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "North Carolina, but I didn't fall off a"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "turnup wagon yesterday."}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "I said, just how stupid do you think I"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "am? Look, ain't going to happen that"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "way. Not going to happen. However, it"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "can happen by putting together a group"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "of people who fund this thing and get it"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "out there [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "and who keep it inhouse and do not give"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "it to the brain deadad tabloid media."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "I mean, those guys, I mean, they don't"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "even have an EEG registering. [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "I mean, it it's it's a pathetic."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "It really is. I mean, I've met with the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "top people at Fox and this and that, and"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "it's like you, you know, you cannot I"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "mean, if you get [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "if you get any one micron beneath the"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "surface of anything deep, they're just"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "like, huh? You know, isn't going to"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "happen that way because it will look"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "like an unsolved mysteries piece with"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "cheesy reenactments, fog coming up, and"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "purple haze. you expect Jimmy Hendricks"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "to step out with no clothes on next, you"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "know, but I mean [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "he was a great performer, was he? But"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "anyway, that that's what you would"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "expect to see from from a pro that kind"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "of product."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "It can be done."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "Will it be done? We'll see. We have a we"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "have a little uh uh sort of introduction"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "to this whole series that we've [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "made. If we have time today, I'll show"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "it. uh is really just me speaking about"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "the scope of this and a few other cuts,"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "but we're getting ready to put this out"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "there to put together an independent"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "group of [music] people that we can"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "trust to do the right thing by this. And"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "the standards of this will be very very"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "high. Most of my experiences and all the"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "CETI experiences would not will not make"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "it into this piece because they don't"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "have enough evidence corroborating them."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "I'll be the first to say that. It'll"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "have to be hard hard. We have the hard"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "stuff. We have the hard witnesses, but"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "they're not going to be up there [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "in Mosquite talking. Let me tell you"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "something about [music] these guys. They"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "know how this game has been played"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "and they are not willing to come forward"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "only to be made to look like fools or to"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "have their knowledge [music] mishandled"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "the way Philip Corso's information was"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "mishandled. I mean, this is the kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "thing that has got to be avoided. it can"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "be done right and we know how to do it"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "right. We'll see if we're given the"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "opportunity to."}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "So, we're ready to roll soon as support"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "is there to do it."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "Now, the bigger issue about all this"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "without getting into all the minutiae of"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "disclosing that what we know is"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "understanding that there is a very"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "powerful interest to keep this quiet and"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "make no mistake about it. Air Force"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Office of Special Investigations guy"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "that was referred to me by a fellow"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "physician, friend of his and who is"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "absolutely bonafideed on this subject."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "He's the guy who had been in a facility"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "at Fort Wuka [music] underground"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "where they have a number of ET craft and"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "autopsied [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "bodies stored. Fort Wuka is southeast of"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "Tucson near the Tombstone area of"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "Arizona, not far from the Mexican"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "border."}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "And he told me this. He said, 'You're"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "dealing with an entity [music] which is"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "the most powerful group in the world and"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "they will stop at nothing to maintain"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "control over this. I said, that may be"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "true. I said, but you know what? There"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "are enough of them beginning to decide"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "that the truth should come out and there"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "are enough people in society ready to"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "move forward that if we can get it all"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "together, it'll [music] happen."}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "We can do it and we can do it with your"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "help and with your networking and by"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "pulling together to make this happen. I"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "wouldn't hold my breath and I you know"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "people say why'd you waste all these all"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "this time going to the president and the"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "CI director and the Pentagon and the"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "pres [music] the congress. I said"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "the people who are military intelligence"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "and other guys who know about these"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "things here and abroad [music] have said"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "to me that would be the best way for it"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "to happen. It would be official. They'd"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "be under subpoena. They'd have to talk"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "and it would come out. But"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "and [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "more importantly, it wouldn't look like"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "a bunch of renegades were trying to do"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "an inr run on the government, which is"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "how we could have been interpreted. Now"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "I have a paper [music] trail. I have"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "signatures"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "on documents. I have transcripts of"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "meetings. I have [music] proof that we"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "have provided this opportunity for the"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "president, the leadership of our"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "country, the leadership of the UN, the"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "leadership of Great Britain, etc. to do"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "the right thing by this and they have"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "chosen not to. Therefore, [music] we're"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "exercising our right of free speech and"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "we're going to do it if we get the"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "chance, if we can do it. [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "deeper than this."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:13", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "They are not using, listen to this, Carl"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "Sean, they are not using AT&T to"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "communicate. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "Forget it. It's not going to happen."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "They are not using microwave signals who"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "are using both energy systems,"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "propulsion systems, and telemetry or"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "communication systems which bypass the"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "electromagnetic spectrum."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "They do. [music] I mean, we've proven"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "it. The sea set, this is why an adept"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "can take this glass of water and have it"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "float through the air and through that"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "wall, interfacing the matter with their"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "mind. Then you can remote view their"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "location. You can remote view their"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "occupants. You can then remote vector"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "and show them where you are in Mosquite,"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "Nevada tonight. And you can guide them"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "directly into an aerial landing."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "There's a bigger issue here which I"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "mentioned in in the briefing and that is"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "we live in a time where we are evolving"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "from citystate"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "sort of [music] a nation state condition"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "to the early vestigages of some sort of"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "a global civilization at least"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "economically and electronically and"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "technologically if not geopolitically."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "But quickly we are going to do one of"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "two things. We are either going to"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "destroy ourselves or we are going to"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "evolve into a peaceful global"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "civilization. Now I'm an optimist and I"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "think it will be the latter although the"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "short term is going to be very"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "disturbing."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "Now that is why the extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "life forms and [music] civilizations are"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "so interested in us right now. We are at"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "that point of extraordinary potential,"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "that multi-potent state where we can go"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "one way or the other. And not only that,"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "but if we end up being a functional"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "global civilization, [music] which we"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "are quickly becoming technologically,"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "then we will have the capability of"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "becoming an interplanetary one because"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "the next step is to go into the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "interplanetary capability."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "Now what CETI is saying in our humble"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "prototype research projects which have"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "by the way been totally unfunded and"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "totally grassroots and totally everyone"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "taking time away from their jobs and"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "family and what have you. But what we"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "have learned is that the ETSs are saying"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "yes not only yes but hell yes if they"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "use those sort of words and because we"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "have sent teams out all over the world"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "and we have not been disappointed. We"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "have had extraterrestrial spacecraft"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "interact with our teams [music] on"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "multiple occasions. Not just the the"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "rapid response team, the RMIT we have,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "but our local working groups all over"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "the world that are becoming more and"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "more competent at remote viewing, at"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "remote vectoring. We can get into this"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "later if we have time at being able to"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "signal and to uh establish a dialogue"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "with these life forms. This is going on"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "rapidly. And so what [music] this says"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "to us is that if we can get the world to"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "pull its head out of the sand and can"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "get it to move forward constructively"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "that there is tremendous potential over"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the next 5 or 10 years [music] of"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "establishing at least the early stages"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "of open as opposed to enigmatic and and"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "behind the scenes extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "contact with Earth [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "civilizations. We are at that point. It"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "is one of the pivotal points in the"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "history of our planet and our people."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "And so what we must realize, however,"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "[music] is that this is in our hands to"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "do. We have that ability."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "if you doubt it, talk to some of the"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "there are a dozen or two CETI members"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "here who have been on various projects."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "And what's interesting is to hear people"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "who from all over the world have gone"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "out [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "gone out to try to try to establish"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "preliminary communication with these"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "life forms and have had successes way"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "beyond what they would have hoped"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "possible because some of them are"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "astonished when [music] it happens. We"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "know that the capability is very high"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "and what we have to do is move forward"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "in fulfilling that capability on a"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "global basis."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Now, if our initial welcome to these ETs"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "has been through the barrel of a gun or"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "the barrel of a laser or whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "[music] what we say is that why don't we"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "do something else? Why don't we launch a"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "citizen's diplomatic effort [music] to"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "go out to the people and to go into"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "space with these life forms and"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "establish communication with them. And"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "this has to be done, however, in a very"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "enlightened framework. They are not"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "using, listen to this, Carl Sean, they"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "are not using AT&T to communicate."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "Forget it. It's not going to happen."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "They are not using microwave signals."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "They are not using any of this sort of"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "monkey mind stuff that is 20th century"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "technology. Why would they? By"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "definition, they are interstellar"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "civilizations. And they are by the way"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "that are traveling here from outside our"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "solar system. They have technologies"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "that interface with zero point energy"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "and what I call 0 point or unbounded"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "mind. And the interface now this is I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "assuming everyone here has an IQ of 200."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "the interface because we're running out"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "of time but there is an extraordinary"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "interface between what I call the nexus"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "of non-local matter and energy which is"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "this zero point field and what we call"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "transcendent mind or consciousness"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "or pure mind. These really one in the"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "same thing. This is why an adept can"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "take this glass of water and have it"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "float through the air and through that"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "wall [music] interfacing the matter with"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "their mind. It is all the same"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "background conscious energy stuff."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "Now, Edgar Mitchell and I were"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "discussing this [music] astronaut who I"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "think Apollo 14 went to the moon and"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "walked around up there and he said, you"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "know, there's no question that the whole"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "universe, the warp and woof of it is"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "this knowingness [music] stuff. Now what"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "we have here are extraterrestrial life"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "forms who are using both energy systems,"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "[music] propulsion systems and telemetry"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "or communication systems which bypass"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "the electromagnetic spectrum."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "They do I mean we've proven it the caddy"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "experiment has proven this. So what we"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "have to understand is that they are not"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "going to be using you know uh GTE"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "they're using [laughter] they're they're"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "using uh this interface and if you"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "[music] understand it you can begin to"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "access it because when you access this"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "one mind of the universe if you will"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "this oneness which connects all things"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "[music] and which all matter is based in"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "and all energy is based in. Then you can"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "remote view their location. You can"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "remote view their occupants. You can"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "then remote vector and show them where"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "you are in Mosquite, Nevada tonight. And"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "you can guide them directly into an area"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "landing. Now, it's not to say they're"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "puppets on a string and they come every"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "time. They're not. I mean, they have"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "their own own work they're doing. But"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "this is a very effective ways of of of"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "doing this sort of research. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "I had a national security guy come up to"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "me when I first started this project and"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "said, [music] you know, the reason"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "you're work this is working is because"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "of the stuff you're doing that is going"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "to cause you the biggest grief. and he"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "was right and that is stepping off into"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "this area of non-locality of mind and"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "non-locality of matter. [music] You"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "know, I've been called everything but a"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "white Christian."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> End up being a functional global"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "civilization which we are quickly"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "becoming technologically"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "then we will have the capability. DTS"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "are not using 20th century earth"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "technology. And so we have to get this"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "through our heads that technologies that"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "are thousands of years more advanced"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "than ours are going to look like magic."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "They may even sound like magic to us,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "but they're really very understandable."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "And and I think that what we have to"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "understand [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "from our hearts is that if we really"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "want to establish a relationship between"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "humans and these other life forms, we"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "have got to find the [music] basis of"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "that relationship."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "And the basis of that relationship is"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "universality of consciousness. It is the"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "oneness of mind. It is this zero point"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "field in mind and also matter. That is"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "our point of contact because they're not"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "going to be from New York. They're not"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "going to speak Yiddish. [music] they're"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "not going to speak Spanish, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "they're going to, you know, but if we"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "relate to that, we will be relating to"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "that universal highest common"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "denominator that threads and unites all"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "of us. And if we can do that, we can"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "create a future [music] of universal and"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "interplanetary peace. And that is the"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "destiny of this planet. [music] And I"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "thank you for listening. God bless you."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "I have time for questions."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "I I'll take some questions because I"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "understand that I have about 20 minutes"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "or so. So, why don't uh if there are"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "people with questions, feel free to pop"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "them out."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> There's a mic out there, I'm told here."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> Hello."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Is this on?"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> Uh Stephen, thank you uh exceedingly"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "much for your information transfer here."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "Uh I'm sure everybody is uh much pleased"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "with what they've learned and very"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "hopefully active and willing to do"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "something about it. Uh you made a"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "proposal as far as mosquite and"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "vectoring, remote vectoring. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "Uh I uh propose to be available this"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "evening. All right."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> To work with you if you would like to uh"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "establish some type of a special uh"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "reunion."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": ">> Good. Good. Well, that's happening all"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "the time. Of course, I want to point out"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "that Sher Adamac has some information"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "about cetting also about training kits"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "for what these [music] research teams"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "do. Uh I think uh if you want to stand"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "up, she'll be out after my talk out"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "there and we'll have that information so"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "you can get that from her. What I'd like"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "to see is about 2,000 of these research"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "teams [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "created in the next two or three years"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "because it not only creates uh the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "practical basis for interplanetary"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "peace, [music] it creates the spiritual"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "basis for interplanetary peace because"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "it's people going out in a spirit of"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "oneness and in an intent of [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "peace and putting that into the"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "universe. And it doesn't matter what"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "their intentions are. Let us pay"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "attention to what our intentions are."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "That's what we can control. And if we do"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "the right thing, they will come to us."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": ">> Stephen, do you think it's possible that"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "the people that are involved in the"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "alien liaison uh do not discuss with the"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "president of the United States"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "uh certain issues that they're involved"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "in for the same reasons that the"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "president of the United States does not"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "discuss with the governors of our states"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "nuclear policy issues?"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "No,"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "I think that that's a nice thought, but"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "I think it's actually something much"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "more disturbing than that. I think it is"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "a breakdown in the chain of command. And"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "[music] I think it is also they may be"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "doing it for what they perceive as good"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "reasons, but what they have to"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "understand is what were good reasons in"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "1947 are not good reasons in 1995. And"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "it's time to get over it and move on."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "[music] By the way, a third of this"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "covert group, I'm told by multiple"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "sources are in favor of doing this."}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Okay? So, I think that we're making some"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "good [music] progress even there."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> If the people involved in alien liaison"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "are representing the planet rather than"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "any nation on the planet, wouldn't that"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "be the same scenario?"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> No, because you still have to work"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "through the con constituent governments"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "and also then the United Nations [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "or or some similar body and that's not"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "happening. Plus, you [music] know, it's"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "a bit of an arrog arrogation. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "it's sort of to arrogate to oneself the"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "responsibility for this sort of alleged"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "leazison on behalf of 5 1/2 billion"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "people without it being a two-way point"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "of uh exchange of of communication with"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "the people of the world is basically"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "fascist. Now, you know, they may be"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "doing it for very good reasons, but it's"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "fascistic and and it's very unfortunate"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "and it has to be terminated."}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "deeper than this."}]

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So he popped"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "through the wall of the of the disc and"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "there were these ETs there and they were"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "looking they were at a control uh"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "control area and they looked at him like"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "my god why don't you watch where you're"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "going"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "[laughter] and so it was an"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "interplanetary faux pop but all of a"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "sudden I see this flash of light looks"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "like a pinpoint of light and this thing"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "flies over by the fireplace and there's"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "like a fireplace right there and all of"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "a sudden it elongates into this humanoid"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "form."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Now I have to tell you that the most"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "interesting part of this whole thing is"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "this concept"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "of consciousness of mind before I was a"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "medical doctor. I was a meditation"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "teacher and I used to be a vadic"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "scholar. I used to teach people"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "um the vadas the pavitra pavitrovasanga"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "yasare. Marishi liked my pronunciation."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "He thought it was very good. So I would"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "tutor people. So I got very involved in"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "reading the vdas and all this stuff. I"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "was a little kid. I mean I was like you"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "know 19 or 18 or you know young guy and"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "um in my missspent youth actually my"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "youth was better spent I don't know than"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "now maybe I don't but [panting]"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "people talk about their misspent [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "youth. I had a pretty good uh youth. Uh"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "but what's interesting about that is"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "that we we have to acknowledge something"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "that's also very transcendental that's"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "operating here. [music] A world that's"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "emerging, a cosmology that's there."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "And there are several chapters in this"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "book where I talk about this new"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "cosmology,"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "an understanding of the cosmos that goes"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "beyond sp time and space [music] in its"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "normal linear way and begin to look at"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "it as an interwoven interconnected"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "reality which through the conscious"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "intelligent faculty which is a"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "singularity"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "is interconnected instantly at all"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "times. Every point in time and space is"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "perfectly connected to any other point"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "in time and space through this faculty"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "through this nexus [music] called"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "consciousness, conscious intelligence,"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "mind, the cosmic mind."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "This is I think a scientifically [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "provable fact. I certainly think it's an"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "experential reality that most of you"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "have had an experience with."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Now, the reason I get into this area"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "[music] is not because I want to go off"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "into some metaphysical diet tribe, but"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "because it impacts directly on the"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "extraterrestrial and UFO enigma."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "And I spent about a third of this book"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "talking about that. And the reason I do"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "is this."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "Until we understand that, we're never"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "going to make sense out of all the"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "experiences people are having or that"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "that even the CETI teams are having."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "How is it that you can go into a state"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "of non-local mind, [music] remotely view"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "a spacecraft, connect to it, show them"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "where you are, and then there are 40"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "people looking up and there's a disc"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "that's appeared overhead. That happened"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "six nights out of 14 [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "in Creststone, Colorado last month."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Now, there's something weird going on"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "here. And I've been called every name in"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "the book. There are people who have"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "dedicated their lives to calling me"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "everything from a madman to a cultist to"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "a this or that because we're"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "experimenting with consciousness"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "and how it's interfacing with the"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "material cosmos and with"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "extraterrestrial technologies."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "But the only people who have a real"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "problem with that seem to be these"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "hidebound UFO people. I don't get it."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "You know, the head of the National"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Academy of Sciences is sitting with me"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "and I explained this to her. She says,"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "\"Oh, I thought it had to be something"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "like that.\" She didn't skip a beat."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "But the people who are supposed to be so"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "advanced in the UFO world just think"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "this is wacky. Why is it wacky? It's not"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "wacky at all."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "A thought is a [music] thing."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "Consciousness is real and it's"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "non-local."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "And if you understand that, you can"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "invent"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "electromagnetic and sub electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "systems that are scientific that"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "interface [music] with a thoughtron, if"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "you will, mind stuff, just like you can"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "have something interface with an"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "electron. [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "It's real. It's technological, but it's"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "beyond just material technologies as we"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "think of them, but they are physical"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "technologies. [music] And to get an"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "understanding of this, you have to have"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "an understanding of a cosmology of"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "what's folded in the material universe."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "And uh I was with uh Jock Balle and we"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "were at a meeting for Noetic Sciences"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "board a couple years ago and I remember"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "him saying, \"Well, you know, it's not"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "extraterrestrial. It's"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "interdimensional.\""}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "I said, \"What does that mean?\""}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "I said, \"I I'll show you an"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "interdimensional object."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "This"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "this is an interdimensional object. The"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "warp and woof, the absolute fabric of"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "this [music] is consciousness"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "phasing and vibrating in a different"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "frequency. It's all it is."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "And an adept"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "yogi can put their mind on this and"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "it'll vanish or have it float through"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "the wall or have it suspended and"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "levitate. Oh, I'm not that adept yet."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "I'm sorry. But the point is is that we"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "we have there's no question"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "that even the material cosmos is"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "actually an opening into"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "and at every point has within it the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "unbounded itself. The unbounded awake"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "mind and everything subtler than that."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "What the mystics have called the astral"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "energy, the atheric, [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "all that is real."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "very real. And the extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "civilizations capable of going through"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "interstellar space are as intimate with"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "those domains"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "as you and I are with picking up a cell"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "phone and calling New York, which would"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "have been magic to someone 200 years"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "ago. You'd be burned at the stake as a"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "witch in 1692 in Salem, Massachusetts."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "And this is a technology and a science"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "which is real and which we are all"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "experiencing. Those of us who've had"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "experiences with these extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "objects, but we're trying to cram it"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "into the box of 20th century [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "material sciences. Ain't going to happen"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "any more than a caveman's going to"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "comprehend"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "our"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "cell phone because they're still using"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "smoke signals."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Okay? So, we have to step out of we have"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "to have enough humility to say, \"Look,"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "there's a huge cosmos out there. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "extraordinarily fascinating [music] and"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "intricate and we're just on the we know"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "2% of it maybe"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "there's much to explore [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "much to explore and that's what C city"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "is doing at these expeditions you know"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "next uh next month that we're going to"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "go to Mount Shasta for um a whole week"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and we're going to be doing this where"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "we're going to be taking people into"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "these non-local states of consciousness"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "and remote viewing the ET craft and and"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "trying to make contact with the ETSs on"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "this on that site. We do this throughout"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "the year. We're going to do it again in"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "Desert Hot in Joshua Tree, one of my"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "favorite places in November. And we do"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "this periodically throughout the year."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "And people say, \"Oh, this is crazy.\""}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "It's not crazy. We've had incredible"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "results."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "Some of it not what you would think. for"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "example."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "Now, this is where I'm going to I'm"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "going to give all my the tractors all"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "the ammunition they need in the next 10"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "minutes cuz I I'm going to go outside"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "the box and then over the edge."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "[clears throat] Here it is. All right."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "My god."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "Let me tell you a story. A man called me"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "after I was on some TV. I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "it was Larry King or something. And this"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "man called me and he was an Air Force"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "officer back in the 60s. And he was at"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "Las Vegas [music] Air Force Base, not"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Nell Ellis. And he was at a place called"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "Angel's Peak or Angels something or"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "other, some peak up there where they had"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "a radar installation. And there was this"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "huge UFO"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "uh flap that happened where they're just"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "they hovered overhead. They were on"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "radar. And he says, \"I want to be one of"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "your people who's going to give you the"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "information about this event with my"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "buddies.\" I said, \"Fine.\" He [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "says, \"But that's not why I called.\" I"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "was about after an hour of that. He"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "says, \"I wanted to talk to you something"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "that really doesn't have anything to do"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "with this that I know of, but it might.\""}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "They said, \"Well, what do you mean?\" He"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "says, \"Well, I'm afraid you're going to"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "think I'm a crackpot.\" I said, \"Oh, your"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "secret safe with me.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "I said, \"My god.\" I mean, you know, I've"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "been called every name in the book."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Their whole website's dedicated to, you"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "know, defaming me. It's too bad we don't"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "anybody have lawyer proono. You know, we"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "got about hund00 million dollars in"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "lawsuits pending."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "Anyway, seriously, what's interesting is"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "that he went on to tell me this story."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "He was learning to um do what he called"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "astrally project or have out-of- body"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "experiences"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "back in those days, unrelated to his me."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "It wasn't one of these spook things"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "going through the Monroe Institute"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "trying to spy on the Soviets. It was a"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "it was one of these regular sort of"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "spiritual traditions he was in. And he"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "had his teacher came to him one day and"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "said, \"You're about ready to have this"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "experience.\" He said, 'I am.' He says,"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "'Ye, they always think you're ready. And"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "sure enough, that evening, he went back"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "and did I don't know what kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "technique he was using, but he laid down"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "and he had his first out of body"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "experience where his subtle astral body"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "separated. I'm sure a lot of you I've"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "had lots [music] of these experience"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "where you and flew off except his was an"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "uncontrolled launch. I said, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "went woof and went right and he went up"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "through the ceiling of his house and out"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "into the atmosphere and up into the air"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "and above the earth and slammed"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "into a disc, a UFO. Listen, listen"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "carefully,"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "very [music] carefully. And as he did,"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "now remember this is his astral body. He"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "hit the side of this UFO, this ET craft."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "And as he did [music] so, it rocked it."}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "He went onto the interior."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "He popped through the wall and sort of"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "invaginated into it's a medical term,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "people. I shouldn't use that term. Um,"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "he went Okay, so he popped through the"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "wall of the of the disc and there were"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "these ETs there and they were looking"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "they were at a control uh control area"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "and they looked at him like, \"My god,"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "why don't you watch where you're going?"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:02", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": ">> I said that was an interplanetary phaua"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "and [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "so so this guy he says you know and with"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "that he would felt so wilted you know"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "and so embarrassed that he just sort of"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "fell back into his body [music] and that"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "was his first out-of- body experience"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "and he says now wait he says but I I"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "want to ask you I said I know what I"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "experienced was real quote unquote I"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "know it was a real out-of- body"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "experience and I know that I that I"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "affected that craft and they saw me"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "in my astral body and I saw them, but"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "it's not like they were ghosts or angels"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "flying around that they were in a ship."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "I said, \"Well, of course.\" I said, \"You"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "don't really think [music] that they're"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "traveling through interstellar space in"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "this form?\" Zip, zip, zip."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "He says, \"Well, no, I didn't. I I"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "thought, of course, they must go faster"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "than the speed of light.\" Ah. I said,"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "'But what happens"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "when you set up the electronics? [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "So this device phases out of sync with"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "materiality, if you will, the spin and"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "the phasing of matter and light, and it"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "goes [music] across the that barrier."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "Where is it?"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "It's in that near aastral form. [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "And that's why these things can go"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "straight through solid objects and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "straight through a mountain quasi"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "materialized. It's also how now you know"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "people say my god what are you talking"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "about? I'm saying [music] look there are"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "technologies that enable things to phase"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "shift"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "sort of like a big magnetic resonance"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "imaging machine. All right. [music] But"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "it's more sophisticated than that where"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "the whole thing's frequency, everything,"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "the craft and everyone on it is shifted"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "into [music] a form"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "which closely approximates"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "not quite identical to closely"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "approximates"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "[music] the form you're in when you have"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "an out-of- body experience or have a"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "lucid dream at night [music] and you go"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "visit your wife when you're on a trip,"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "which I do."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "And that is something which very few"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "people want to acknowledge because it"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "gets this whole subject into an area"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "that people get very uncomfortable with."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "It's too weird. I said, \"Well, I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "care how goddamn weird it is. It's the"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "truth.\""}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "Huh? Now, my problem is that I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "want to put a filter on the [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "truth. So, I'm going to tell you this"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "and it's going to hurt me every time I"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "talk about these things publicly, deeper"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "and deeper detail. It ends up hurting me"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "on another level. But the truth of it is"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "this [music] is that when you take an"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "object and you don't accelerate from a"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "thousand miles per hour to 186,000 miles"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "per second, which is the speed of light,"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "and then [music] linearly go through the"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "light barrier. That's not how it's done."}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "You're there and then you're not there."}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "You're on one side of the crossing point"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "of light and then you're not. And it's"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "more complex than that. You can be"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "between channels"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "between channels."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "Just between channels."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "So when I told this Air Force officer, I"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "said, \"Oh yeah, we understand this.\" He"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "thought I'd lost my mind. I said, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "of course.\" I mean the electronics and"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "the energy and the high fre high energy"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "physics that are involved in phasing an"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "object across the light barrier are also"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "technologies that begin to interface"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "with strata of the cosmos which has"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "hereto for been relegated to the mystic"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "or to the metaphysical and what have you"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "but it's physical and it's"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "electronically and technologically"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "reproducible."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "Oh boy. So the world [music] is very"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "interesting place. The universe is a"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "very interesting place. And so these are"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "a few thoughts that I want to share with"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "you about this because it begins to make"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "sense then that a cetti team could be"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "out"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "in England doing this"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "and make contact and 90% [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "of the contact experience happened on"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "the other side of the crossing point of"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "light. How weird can this get? You want"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "to hear most of these account most of"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "these things are in this book. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "to just tell you a little story. One of"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "this this story is in the book in a more"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "developed form"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "after Sherry and I [music] both had"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "cancer and you know she died last year"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "but in 97 in the summer we had just"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "found out that she had metastatic"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "cancer. I had metastatic malignant"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "melanoma which 100 times more deadly"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "than the cancer that killed Congressman"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "Schiff and others. And so we were there"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "at this thing and we had a whole"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "expedition planned and we went and did"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "it. you know, we said, \"Oh, we're going"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "to do it anyway.\" And and and Sherry one"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "night was just too tired to go out with"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "the group, which we do every night. You"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "know, we do these expeditions. We train"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "during the day in remote viewing and"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "consciousness experiments. And all night"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "we're out under the field in the stars"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "attempting to establish contact with"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "ETSs for peaceful purposes."}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "That's what we do. We're going to do it"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "at September 4th in Mount Shasta for a"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "whole week and we're going to do it in"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "November at Desert. We have information"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "on the paper back there if you want to"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "look at that and on our website. Well,"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "what's interesting about this, we're"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "sitting up there and and and Sher said,"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "\"I don't want to go out tonight. I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "just so exhausted.\" And she was in a lot"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "of pain at that point. I said, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "well, we'll stay in.\" And so, we were in"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "an upstairs sitting area that had a bay"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "window"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "and the rest of our research team or"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "most of them were out on the lawn, out"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "on the manor. We had this huge manor"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "house that [music] we had rented and we"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "were there uh for a week or two and so"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "they were out there doing our usual"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "protocols and all of a sudden they see"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "something that looks"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "sort of a blue white Linda Willlet who's"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "here can tell you exactly what they saw"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "cuz she was there she was outside the"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "house on the Ok stars and here this"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "thing it looks like a sort of a bluish"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "white orb comes flying out of the sky"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "skims along the tops of the trees and"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "flows flies into this window. Well, they"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "didn't know that was the window we were"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "sitting in, the room we [music] were"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "sitting in."}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "I didn't see that cuz we were inside"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "with the lights on. But all of a sudden,"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "I see this flash of light. Looks like a"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "pinpoint of light. And this thing flies"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "over by the fireplace. And there's like"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "a fireplace right there. And all of a"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "sudden, it elongates into this humanoid"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "form"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "about 40 in tall."}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "Was not fully materialized. I could have"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "walked through it, but it was vis"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "physically visible."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "Not as clearly as a hologram at Disney"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "World, but clear enough that I saw it"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "very clearly. And I turned to Sharon and"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "I said, \"Oh, he's back.\" This is one of"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "these ETs that we've had a lot of"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "connection with. And he she she looked"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "over and we both just saw. And it was"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "this very I mean that the feeling from"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "this being was extremely [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "loving and compassionate. And I think he"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "realized that, you know, we were in a"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "lot of pain and a lot of, you know,"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "concern about about Sherry's [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "health. And it was this very beautiful"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "sort of meeting. He said, \"What did you"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "say?\" I said, \"We didn't say anything."}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "We just sat there together in"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "meditation.\" They said, \"What? An ET"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "flies in your window and is there?\" I"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "said, \"Well, of course.\" What do we have"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "to say that we don't already know?"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "We just we're there together."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "Subscribe, turn the [music] bell on, and"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "keep watching because what comes next"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "goes deeper than this."}]

[{"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "You've got Cousins, Brothers, and we've"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "got crazy UFO videos for you today,"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "including this massive triangular craft"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "captured from a passenger airliner. But"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "before we get to that, let's get to the"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "latest videos coming in. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Don't want to tell what that is."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> What is that?"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> What is that thing in the sky?"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> All right. What was captured in Ontario?"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "We're going to get a closer look of this"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "craft. It looks metallic. It seems to"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "have energy plasmic fields around it."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "And we're getting a close-up look. What"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "the heck is this?"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "The camera's a little shaky, but this"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "thing's off at a distance, and I managed"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "to get some shots."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "Again, it's just unconventional. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "kind of crazy looking. Definitely"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "metallic, but look at the pulsating"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "lights that surround this object."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Broad daylight sighting. Once again,"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "we're looking at something that's"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "unknown in origin."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Guys, we want to get your thoughts."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "Leave your comments on what you think"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "this object is. Now, more videos into"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "third phase. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "An atmospheric phenomenon captured on a"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "security cam."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "The video lasts for quite some time."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "We're just going to let it roll."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Right. Here's the second angle. This was"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "captured on multiple cameras. So, this"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "massive unusual event,"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> it's 100% confirmed. At first, I thought"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "it was AI, but once we got multiple"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "sources coming in of this massive"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "display of the unknown, of this strange"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "atmospheric phenomenon, we realize we're"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "looking at something special here."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Seems that there's some like electricity"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "in the air maybe charging up protons in"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "the atmosphere creating this light"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "phenomenon circular in nature. Look at"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "I don't even know how to explain what"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "we're looking at here, but it is"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "bizarre. Let's get a close-up look. This"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "is unbelievable."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Right. As we look at this again, we see"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "these like plasmic clouds surrounding"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "this huge ball of light."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "We see some kind of rains kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "dropping. Maybe this is some kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "storm. But I've never seen a storm like"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "this. Look at"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "this strangeness."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "It's almost like the Aurora Borealis,"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "but this is something else in my"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "opinion."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Like there's a electric charge in the"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "night sky. And this second angle is just"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "mindblowing here."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Look at the contrast from the night sky."}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "And this is all illuminated. And you see"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "these flashes of electrical charge in"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "the sky. It looks like a definitely a"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "lightning storm going on. And this could"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "be some wave charging the particles and"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "this atmospheric array of clouds"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "circling this light. It's just super"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "strange. And it's going right over this"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "neighborhood. Whatever it is, it's"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "massive."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "Incredible stuff right here at"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. And we've got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "UFO videos in this episode. So, hit that"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "thumbs up and leave your comments. What"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "do you think is happening? Have you seen"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "anything like this? I sure haven't."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "That's why we're sharing it with you. A"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "beautiful sighting. All right, let's get"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "to the next video right now."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Leave this open. Don't get water"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "everywhere. Okay."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "Good morning."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "right, let's get a close-up look. It"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "almost looks like the Millennium Falcon"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "in the sky at one point, but then it"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "turns into this kind of like transparent"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "UFO with some kind of black mass right"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "there in the center. It's kind of off at"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "a distance, but it was interesting broad"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "daylight sighting. That's why we're"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "sharing it. And look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "There we go. Pretty dang good closeup."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "What [laughter] are we looking at here?"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "The luminance on it is kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "interesting. It's almost transparent,"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "but then you make out that subtle black"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "mass right there in the center of it."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "Pretty interesting stuff. He's kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "struggling to get the shot, but man, we"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "wanted to share this with you, but we've"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "got a lot of videos, so let's just get"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "to the next one right now. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "All right, let's get a close-up look."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "What is this? Look at it. It doesn't"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "make any sense. is going behind the pine"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "trees there. He kind of loses sight of"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "it, but then it reemerges and we get a"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "really good look. Let's just hold on as"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "it traverses behind the trees and then"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "we're going to see it once again."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "It was obscured by the trees, but then"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "it [music] makes its presence."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "It's just weird. Look at the color on"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "this thing."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "It almost looks like a humanoid, but"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "it's not really oscillating or"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "undulating. And it's on a steady"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "steady uh"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "path. Its flight path. It's not wobbling"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "like a balloon. It's stationary in its"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "rigid core."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "Again, it's just really bizarre. These"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "UFOs, they come in all shapes and sizes,"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "and you just really can't tell what"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "you're going to see next with regards to"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "the phenomenon. It's daily. And we're"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "just so surprised of these UFOs and some"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "of the shapes and sizes they come in. Is"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "this some kind of biologic?"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "This is strange looking."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "Okay, watch it one more time before we"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "get to the next one. But look at it."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "Almost shape shifts like a shape"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "shifter."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "What I find bizarre about it, it's not"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "really metallic. It almost looks like"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "the color of like just skin."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "So, it could be some kind of possible"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "biologic. It's just very weird. No doubt"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "about it. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "It's pretty big, too. I'd imagine maybe"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "about 20 ft in length."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "Strangess for sure. Now, let's get to"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "the next video. Coming into third phase."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "Watch this."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "All right. What's going on in China? It"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "seems like China is just constantly"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "having massive UFO sightings. And look"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "as I slow the video down as this"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "commercial airliner passes very closely"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "to these objects just kind of hanging in"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "the sky. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "Definitely these objects were in front"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "of the airplane. I count 1 2 3 four. And"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "these things are just they're kind of"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "lined up like they're on a string, but I"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "don't see any string. And they're not"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "like tumbling like balloons. Whatever"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "they are, they're"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "they got intelligence behind it. It's I"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "don't know, maybe some kind of weird"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "drone."}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "Multiple drones. Or is this something"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "extraterrestrial in nature? I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "know. It's just strange. And how crazy"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "close it got to this commercial"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "airliner."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "It's just it's unbelievable. I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "know what I'm looking at here."}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "Watch this once again. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "It's It's about the half the size of"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "this airplane, maybe. So, it's at least"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "75 ft in length."}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "I wonder if the pilot saw it and was"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "like, \"What the heck is that? It"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "shouldn't be up here.\""}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "I don't know. I've never seen anything"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "quite like it."}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "It's like four UFOs stacked up on each"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "other, spatially separated at about an"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "equal amount of distance. But look how"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "far off at distance it is. This thing's"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "pretty massive. Whatever it is"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "things, I'm not sure if it's one or it"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "looks like four individual objects, but"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "they seem like they're connected"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "somehow. I'm not sure. It's just"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "strange. All right, more videos into"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "third phase. Let's get to the next one"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "right, let's look at this again. Once"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "again, Chile has its own sightings. And"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "look at this thing. I'm adding some"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "brightness contrast. It almost looks"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "like a triangular craft. And notice the"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "orb behind it and kind of following this"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "craft. It's kind of blinking in and out."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "Maybe two different UFOs. But look at"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "this thing."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "It's huge in my opinion. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "As we get a closeup here and then this"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "accompanying orb like it's its [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "escort captured approximately 30,000 ft"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "in altitude. This guy, it's just like"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "saying that's that's not no airplane. He"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "just doesn't know what it is. He says"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "it's not a bird. I don't think so."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "Obviously, this is something else."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "It definitely has a strange shape. And"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "then we add that brightness contrast. It"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "really pops."}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "Definitely some strange things happening"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "in the sky. When you're flying around on"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "commercial airliners, make sure you look"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "out your window cuz you never know what"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "you're going to see."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "I told you it was going to be a wild"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "ride. We got more videos for you,"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "including that crazy triangular shaped"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "craft. But watch this."}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "Oh"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "my god."}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "All right, I man, I'm kind of losing it"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "here because these videos are just"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "mindblowing and it's just wrapping your"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "head around what's happening on a daily"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "basis is just strange. And this one,"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "as these passengers were flying over"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Vietnam, noticed some kind of strange"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "cloud. I'm not sure if it's a cloud"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "because look at the geometry on this. It"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "doesn't look it's not similar to any of"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "the other cloud formations in the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "background. This has like really smooth"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "edges. It looks"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "geometric in shape. Look at that kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "cloud. Almost looks like an explosion"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "there. I'm not sure, man."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "Again, 100% legitimate footage. I was I"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "was thinking this was too good to be"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "true, but after further inspection,"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "we're looking at it. Everything seems to"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "add up. It's just it reminds me of that"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "movie Nope where these UFOs just"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "camouflage themselves within a cloud."}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "But look at this like the the silver"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "lining around this thing."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "It has geometric shape to it. It's it's"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "too geometric to be natural in my"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "opinion."}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "It kind of just stands out. And that's"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "why this person filmed it is like what"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "is that? And he kind of has a really"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "good zoom lens on his camera actually to"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "catch it. But then look at that thing."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "Like I said, almost looks like some kind"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "of an explosion. Is there some war going"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "on?"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "Like a battle in the skies over Vietnam."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "We don't get UFO videos over Vietnam too"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "much, but hey, man, we'll take it. Look"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "at this. 30,000 ft. Once again, what's"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "up with these UFOs being filmed by"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "commercial passengers aboard these"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "airliners"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "and seeing basically the impossible."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "And this is massive. This is a mother"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "ship cloaked in the clouds. Man, that's"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "where I would hide if I wanted to be uh"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "kind of obscure. But this one's kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "standing out like a sore thumb."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "Obviously, this isn't normal in my"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "opinion. All"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "right, let's take a look at our latest"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "documentary. We're going to show you a"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "clip of Mike Batista. He was involved"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "with the Psionic program. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "this special clip from Beyond Top"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Secret: The Era of Disclosure. Available"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "now on Amazon."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "Well, we have Mike Batista."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "[music] He's a former Green Beret also"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "who has been involved with some what are"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "called psionic programs."}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "And those programs deal with making"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "contact with non-human intelligence to"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "bring them within a certain range for"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "operational purposes in classified"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "areas. My name is Mike Batista and I am"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "willing to testify under oath before"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "Congress for what I'm about to say. I'm"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "here to speak about a series of"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "experiences that [music] began during my"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "final year of active duty surfs as a US"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "Army Special Forces soldier. That"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "background shaped the way I observe,"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "assess information and approach serious"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "matters. [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "And Michael Batista, it was Green Beret,"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "who uh subsequently got involved as a P3"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "or psionic operator um for"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "one or more than one of the big"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "aerospace companies out in a remote"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "site. [music] I know the location, but"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "he did not want to disclose it for"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "security reasons."}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:26", "text": ">> uh and he was in fact an operator would"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "be able to attach"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "through technology [music] interface a"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "conscious AI with an ET craft move it"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "over lure it over and have it within"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "range [music] to be struck where it's"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "then downed historically that's what"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "psionic assets have been used for is is"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "to get proximity and gain build a"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "relationship with the NHI get them in"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "close enough to [music] be exploited"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "Dr. Steven Greer has stepped to the"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "podium at the National Press Club once"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "again,"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "but this time he is flanked by a new"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "vanguard of truth. Highlevel insiders"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "who have defied the secrecy machine to"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "bring forward names, dates, and"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "classified operations."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "What we're doing here is a preemptive"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "strike."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "This is my push back."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "I know when they were made and I know"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "who precisely is being [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "blackmailed and is there for compromise"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "in the US government."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "If I don't get whacked after that, it'll"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "be a miracle."}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "The implication again was we're watching"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "you keep your mouth shut [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "and that's where we went through the"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "skiff type of checkpoint and that's"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "where the off world technology room was."}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "former Green Beret who has been involved"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "with some what are called psionic"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "programs"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "interface like conscious AI with an ET"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "craft and have it within [music] range"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "to be struck where it's then downed"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "to build a relationship with the NHI get"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "them in close enough to be exploited"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "that they're up against something that's"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "much more powerful"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "that has more funding"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:35", "text": ">> It has more cutting edge technology"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "and these people can be ruthless."}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "It's a very complex problem because you"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "have what I call the foxes in the hen"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "house."}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "I think the president and his team have"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "their work cut out for them."}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "Moon. 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[{"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Something is falling out of the sky."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "We've got crazy videos coming in from"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "around the world. Welcome back to Third"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "Phase Moon. You've got Blake and Brent"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "Cousins, and we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "from multiple eyewitnesses"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "off the coast of Mexico of something"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "something crazy splashing down. Take a"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "look at this stuff."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "We're looking at something legitimate,"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "100% proof of something crazy that just"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "happened in Aapokco. And we're looking"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "at something, a fireball descending down"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "at a rapid rate of speed and crashes"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "into the ocean. Multiple eyewitnesses. I"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "think we probably got five or six"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "different videos coming in from this"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "event. 100% we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "that's unexplained falling out of the"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "sky. Brandon, is this some kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "distressed UFO? What's going on here?"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "Dang, Blake, take a look at that. This"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "is pretty intense footage. We got, like"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "you said, multiple angles of something"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "crazy falling out of the sky. This"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "bright orb of light. It looks like it's"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "on fire. And you could see it light up"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "the water itself as it just kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "distinguishes itself as it falls into"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "the water. And you could hear the people"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "on the ground. They're kind of blown"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "away. Was this some sort of stage stunt?"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "I don't know. But we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "something incredible. This is kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "lighting up right now. Everybody's"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "watching this from around the world and"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "they're asking what's going on here. You"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "can see there's actually splash down."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "There's a splash when this thing hits"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "the water."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Whatever this fireball is, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "seeing it like breaking apart or"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "disintegrating like something that was"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "shot down. This is just a consistent"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "fireball. Look at the splash there. You"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "wouldn't have wanted to get hit by that."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "Again, multiple eyewitnesses captured"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "the event in the approximate"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "right time there off the coast of"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Mexico. And we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "that is unexplained at this moment."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "Maybe tomorrow we're gonna get some more"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "information. But look at this thing. Is"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "it a celestial event, Brian, or is this"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "something that happened within our"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "atmosphere? Maybe a duress uh you know,"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Trump saying, \"Bring them down.\" Maybe"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "this is uh some of what some of that"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "action right now. Yeah, you could see it"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "charge up right there at the end. It"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "kind of like flames up right before it"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "extinguishes itself as it falls into the"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "water. Yeah. Hard telling. Could this be"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "something that was shot down? All I know"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "it's pretty large. That splash was was"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "was big actually. It wasn't just a"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "little small little burst of water. It's"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "knocking up a lot of water. This thing's"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "heavy, whatever it is. And it looks like"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "it's in distress 100%."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "But there's no smoke trail off of it"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "either. It's just pure like fire. And"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "that's what's kind of crazy about it."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "It's probably the size of a a midsize"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "car or something like that. But look at"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "the brightness, the illuminosity right"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "as it passes right behind the clouds."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "That's a moment of impact right there."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "All right, we're gonna get uh I'm hoping"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "we're going to get some more information"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "with regards to this sighting, but we've"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "got a lot of UFO videos in this episode."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "So, buckle up. Let's get to the next one"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": ">> What's"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "right, this one coming out of China of"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "what looks to be multiple UFOs in a"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "string vertical formation. And we're"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "looking at something that's a massive"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "event. What's going on in in China"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "recently? It seems this past month, it's"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "been lighting up. We've have separate"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "orbs lighting up along these uh lit up"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "cylindrical objects, right? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "Something's going down in China. The"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "their UFO activity has been off the hook"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "this month. They got their secret space"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "programs and unacknowledged programs"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "going on over there. It seems like"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "they're not trying to hide it over the"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "public or this this could be something"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "otherworldly, too. At the same time,"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "we're seeing multiple objects suspended"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "in the night sky."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "I'm wondering, are they all connected?"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "That's that's curious. It kind of looks"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "like they're connected in some sort of"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "fashion, but again, China's just going"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "crazy with UFOs."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "Pretty intense footage. And I think we"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "got a couple more videos coming out of"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "China in this episode. It's just like"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "you say, Brent, something is going on."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Maybe they're not hiding over there."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "Now, take a look at this. More videos"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Colombia 2026. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "something unknown in nature. It's the"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "sphere. It's been spotted over there in"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Bogotaa, in different regions of"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Colombia, and even across the planet."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "And we're looking at this once again."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "More videos of these of this anomalous"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "object."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "Incredible broad daylight footage. 100%"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "legitimate. This thing is flying on its"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "own accord. There's intelligence behind"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "it. The sleek design."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "In our latest documentary, Beyond Top"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "Secret, the era of disclosure, we"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "actually feature Haime Maan with regards"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "to the bogusphere and Dr. Greer's"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "analytical study, scientific study on"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "the buggosphere, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Yeah. Look at the dynamic moves. This"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "thing just like came to a complete stop"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "and then banked left. These guys are"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "getting a great capture of this sphere."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "This one doesn't quite look"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "like it's made out of stainless steel."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "It's a little bit more darker than"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "normal spheres that we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "nowadays. Maybe they have different"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "colors, but definitely it's an object."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "It looks larger than a basketball. And"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "you can see it just kind of stop. And"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "then"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "take this bank and look at this. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "all It's right there in Colombia."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "Colombia is just again another hot spot"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "on this planet that's showcasing UFOs on"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "a pretty much daily basis."}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "That's right. BR something. Again, even"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "in Colombia, the Bogasphere, there's"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "UFOs. It is a hot spot. But look at the"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "interesting flight characteristics. The"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "dynamics right there. The way it just"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "pops and stops and moves and changes"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "direction on a dime. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "I don't think this is like some kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "sphere being suspended by a drone with a"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "string. This thing is operating on its"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "own accord right here."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "Again, it just passed right behind the"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "trees. Like I think this is a little"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "larger than the Boogasphere. I'd say"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "this is almost like four to 5t in"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "diameter. Brent. Yeah, looking at"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "looking at it, it definitely seems quite"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "large. And again, just a flight"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "characteristics of this thing, it makes"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "you wonder what's the propulsion behind"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "this thing. It's definitely u it's not a"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "drone. And we don't see no props. Look"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "at that. Just again, it comes to a"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "complete stops and kind of then banks to"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "the right. What's its mission? What's it"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "doing over there in Colombia?"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "That's a big question, Brandon. I don't"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "know. It just it's so bizarre. And Haime"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Mosan has one of the boogers fears in"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "his in his possession. Dr. Steven Greer"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "says it's 100% legitimate. So, uh,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "incredible stuff coming out of Colombia."}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Now, more videos just in"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "Right, here we go again. Another fiery"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "display of a plasmic ball. Plasmic"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "energy just kind of slowly descending"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "pure energy. And then the person thought"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that's not he said that's not a"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "helicopter. And look how it just faded"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "out. That rules out any kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "commercial aviation that I'm aware of."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "We're looking at some kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "phenomenon. Brent. Yeah. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "charged energy ball right there glowing"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "as hot as the sun and then it just"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "disintegrates. It disappears out of"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "existence. And there it is. This is a"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "great capture right here. These guys"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "were stunned. They're capturing"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "something amazing here. Look at that"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "pulsating light. This thing's really"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "charged up."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "And the way it just dissipates, Brett,"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "that's what's uh caught us when we watch"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "the video. When we saw it just"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "disappear, that was crazy. But look how"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "slow the descent is. This isn't"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "something falling out of the sky. This"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "is under control."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "Maybe something that just entered our"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "atmosphere for certain amount of time"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "now. More videos coming in."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> All right. It was kind of hard to see,"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "but when I added some uh brightness"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "contrast and blew this up about I don't"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "know 600%, we get a really good look and"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "what's going on in China. Once again,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "more evidence. Look at this thing all"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "lit up. It looks like it's connected to"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "some kind of metallic structure, but it"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "has this plasmic field of energy at the"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "bottom tip. This is crazy. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "shadows on this thing as well."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "Wow. This is amazing. Look, it's not"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "tumbling. It's not doing anything like a"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "balloon would. This seems like a solid"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "structure made out of metal. And you can"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "see that nice glean glinting off the"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "bottom of this thing. China's just It's"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "weird what's going on over there. The"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "UFOs aren't hiding. And the people on"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "the ground are actually filming it. And"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "we're here sharing it right now at third"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "phase. This is an incredible shot right"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "Yeah, really good footage. He captured"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "it with his 4K camera, so we're able to"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "zoom in and get a closeup. Uh these"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "video cameras, these cell phone cameras,"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "they're they're just amazing the"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "technology. That's why these videos are"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "getting clearer and cleaner every single"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "day. Now, more videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "Right,"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "we're looking at this once again. Chile"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "is another hot spot. And look at these"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "string of lights. The guy's kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "scrambling to get the shot. He's up on"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "his high-rise apartment and he's seeing"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "something that he can't explain."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "And we're looking at it right now. It's"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "off in a distance. This thing has got to"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "be the size of a football field, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "Yeah. It's pretty pretty crazy. It is"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "big. It look And it's very strange. You"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "can see it all charged up. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "like this long elongated golden kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "rod. That's Look how it just starts to"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "glow again. And it's just kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "adjacent to the buildings. Is this"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "actually hovering or is it way off in"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "the distance connected to that"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "mountaintop? I don't know. I actually"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "think this is hovering. And you can see"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "it kind of uh you know pop with these"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "energies energy of light. This is very"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "interesting right here. Pretty"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "incredible."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "Yeah. Look at how the light just"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "glimmers from the left to right and just"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "shimmers across. I don't think they're"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "like cars parked up on a mountain or"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "this is a house. I I don't know exactly"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "what it is, but look at the right there."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "For a split second, there was an orb"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "right on top there as well. If you go"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "back, you take a close look, man, we're"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "seeing things as we analyze these videos"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "ourselves. And man, that orb was in"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "close proximity to this. Now, more"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "videos into third phase of moon. Let's"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "roll the next one right now. Hit that"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "thumbs up."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "Well, there's"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "like I said, Brent, China, it's just"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "keeps lighting up with the activity. And"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "now we have these two things with their"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "search lights on. I don't think there"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "are helicopters up there. What kind of"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "drones? And look at the fleet of UFOs"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "underneath it. As I add some brightness"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "contrast, there's orbs all over the"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "place. It seems like this is almost an"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "invasion of the unknown. Bren, but I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "not afraid. Just cuz I say invasion, I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "not afraid of the aliens for sure."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "Earth. These are UAPs, man-made"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "UFOs. Well, that could be a different"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "story. Brett, what what's going on over"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "there in China? Look at the activity"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "here. Wow. There's a swarm of UFOs and"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "we got these two bright objects. You can"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "see it has this kind of search light,"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "but then like I didn't notice it before"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "you pointed it out, Blake. You see a"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "bunch of lights illuminated at the"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "bottom of this. And they don't look like"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "your typical drones. They're kind of"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "like pulsating in and out of existence."}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "And then you got this double these two"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "double crafts up there doing this kind"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "of search. What What's going on? Is this"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "some sort of surveillance?"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "What are they searching for? Look at the"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "spotlight, the luminosity on that those"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "two, especially that one right there."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Multiple eyewitnesses captured this"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "event. And I'm counting more than a"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "dozen swarm of UFOs. A fleet of UFOs."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "They kind of change in color from white"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "to maybe a little green luminance on it."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "But this is a very strange sighting."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "Brett, what what is really happening in"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "China? It's just it seems that the"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "uptick of UFOs and the activity is just"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "off the hook over there. Brett, well,"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "they you heard it maybe on Joe Rogan."}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "Gush was talking about it. You know"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "these uh major countries, the power"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "players, world powers, they have these"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "unacknowledged programs and they have"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "possible access to downed UFOs too and"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "are trying to reverse engineer it just"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "as fast as we are and maybe China's got"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "a little heads up in the game of uh UAP"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "technology and they may may be"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "showcasing it right now."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "Yeah, this was over a mass population"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "and there was thousands of people that"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "witnessed this and I'm sure we're going"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "to be getting more videos with regards"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "to this sighting."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "All right, we've got a crazy UFO video"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "we want to share. This is just coming in"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "to our Gmail just moments ago. We're"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "going to pop it into the timeline. I'm"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "glad everybody stuck around until the"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "very end of this episode. This last UFO"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "video is beautiful and amazing at the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "same time. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "Jim Martin captured this in Long Beach,"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "California. Jake Barber has recently"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "shared this video. I think he was in"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "Stockholm,"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "uh, Sweden. And"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "he said that there's an egg that was"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "popping out orbs. And Jim Martin's a"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "good friend of ours. He helps us produce"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "our movies and our documentaries. And"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "we're looking at something that is quite"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "amazing here in Long Beach, California."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "This was captured some time ago. But"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "look at this. the mother ship spitting"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "out a fleet of orbs. Again, it almost"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "reminds me of what happened in China"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "just recently, the last video. The fleet"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "of orbs and these big lights that are"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "like maybe the mother ship and these"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "things are ejecting out pods or small"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "little drone UFOs. This was an amazing"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "capture by Jim Martin. Yeah, absolutely."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "There's a little confusion out there."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "They're saying Jake Barber actually"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "captured this and this is a new"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "sighting. Well, actually this is like,"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "you know, a few years ago, maybe maybe"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "even longer, 5 years. And uh Jim, I"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "remember gave us this to share on our"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "channel, Thirdphase Moon back in the"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "day. And we still don't know the answer"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "to what's going on here. We see this"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "large massive charged up orb way up"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "there in the stratosphere and it's"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "dropping basically giving birth to more"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "UFOs. This is wild stuff. Good stuff,"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "Jim. Yeah, it's actually he did a really"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "good job stabilizing the video so we"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "could get a good look at this action"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "here in this um UFO video. It's going to"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "go down in history. It's one of the"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "greatest. And look at this. A triangular"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "craft comes out of this thing."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "The video lasted for quite some time. I"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "think he filmed it for about 10 minutes"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "of this activity and then it kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "turns into a vectorshaped UFO. So, look,"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "look at this action,"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "guys. You We need to hear your comments."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "We're in this live premiere. It helps."}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "We learn from you as well. So, when"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "you're giving us your opinions of what"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "you think we're looking at, we learn"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "from you as well. We're not the experts"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "on UFOs. We're just We're pretty much"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "the experts at sharing the videos as"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "fast as possible on the internet. And uh"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "right now, we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "amazing here."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "So, what is going on in the skies over"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "Long Beach? He captured this on his like"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "fleer camera. So, it was in daytime, but"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "through the fleer, that's why you're"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "getting this kind of black and white"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "imagery, but is actually filmed in in"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "broad daylight, but he was hitting it"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "with his fleer camera, so you can see it"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "clearly these objects in the sky as they"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "descend downward. And in my opinion,"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "they're descending downward into the"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "Pacific Ocean. These aren't just UFOs."}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "They're UFOs. They're transmedium craft."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "And I got a feeling there's some kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "maybe secret alien base underneath the"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "water off the coast of Long Beach and"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "Malibu. Everywhere across even"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "California in the deep oceans. Now"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "again, more videos into third phase"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "moon. This one, man, this is it just"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "gets crazy every time. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "this one."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "We're going to get an extreme closeup of"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "this classic golden flying disc. The"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "underbelly pitch black. We're not seeing"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "any means of conventional propos"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "propulsion here. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "something that is unexplained. And it"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "slowly drifts upwards and it takes these"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "turns left to right. You could kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "see the gleam off the whole of this"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "discshaped craft. Look at this thing,"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "Brett. It's beautiful. Wow. What a great"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "closeup. Take a look at that. You know,"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "when Bob Lazard talks about the sports"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "model, this looks like the luxury model."}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "It's made out of gold and you can see"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "this black plate kind of at the bottom"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "of this thing. It looks like your"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "classic spaceship. Something out of the"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "movies. But this is a real deal, guys."}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "We're looking at something incredible."}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "This is amazing. This was captured where"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "Blake?"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "Yeah, this was captured off the coast of"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "Baja again, the Pacific Ocean. And man,"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "I got a feeling this thing is coming"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "from our oceans. And look at the"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "clarity. We're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "manipulation. The video lasted for about"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "a minute. We're ruling out AI. Look at"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "the dynamics of the camera shake."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "Everything just matches up. That"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "whatever this thing is, it's up in the"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "air. It's real. The question is, what is"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "it? What kind of technology is able to"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "keep this thing up in the air like this?"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "Stunning footage. Look at how he the"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "cameraman puts the finger in front of"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "the lens to prove that this isn't AI."}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "This isn't no trickery. I like when"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "people do that just to show that this is"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "real video. Look at the amazing"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "beautiful clouds in the background."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "There's almost like a vortices right"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "there, Brent. Yeah, you can see a little"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "vorticy and it it's making these"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "unconventional banks, but it seems like"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "it's on course like it's on a mission"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "and it's intelligent."}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "Look at this beautiful picture right"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "here. And this golden craft, the"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "chariots of the gods you might call it,"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "flying through the skies over our planet"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "Earth. That makes you wonder what a"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "mysterious place we live in. Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "Brent, now take a look at our new"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "documentary, Beyond Top Secret: The Era"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "of Disclosure. It's available on Amazon"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "Prime. The link will be below. And take"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "a look at his interview we did with him"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "on Dr. Greer's channel with regards to"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "this. Take a look at the trailer."}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "Dr. Steven Greer has stepped to the"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "podium at the National Press Club once"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "again, but this time he is flanked by a"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "new vanguard of truth. Highlevel"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "insiders who have defied the secrecy"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "machine to bring forward names, dates,"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "and classified operations."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "What we're doing here is a preemptive"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "strike."}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "This is my push back."}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "I know when they were made and I know"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "who precisely is being blackmailed and"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "is there for compromising the US"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "If I don't get whacked after that, it'll"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "be a miracle."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "The implication was we're watching you"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "keep your mouth shut."}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "And that's where we went through the"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "skiff type of checkpoint and that's"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "where the off world technology room was."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "former Green Beret who has been involved"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "with some what are called psionic"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "programs"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "interface like conscious AI with an ET"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "craft and have it within range to be"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "struck where it's then downed"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "to build a relationship with the NHI get"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "them in close enough to be exploited"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "that they're up against something that's"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "much more powerful"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "that has more funding"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "It has more cutting edge technology"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "and these people can be ruthless."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "It's a very complex problem because you"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "have what I call the foxes in the hen"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "house."}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "I think the president and his team have"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "their work cut out for them."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "Moon. We're standing by right here at"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "the base. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "description. Upload that video and copy"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "paste it to my email. Send it to us."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "Keep your eyes on the skies, everybody."}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "We're not alone. And watch more UFO"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "videos right now. We'll see you"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "tomorrow."}]

[{"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "You've got Blake and Brent Cousins, and"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "we've got videos coming in from around"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "the world that's going to blow you away."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "So, let's get to it. Something was in"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "close proximity to a helicopter. Crazy"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "videos coming in."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "right. What was captured in Australia is"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "beyond us. We're just tripping the heck"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "out because the videos, they just keep"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "getting cleaner, clearer, and more"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "provocative as the days go on. And we're"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "looking at something that's unexplained."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "It almost looks like a pod up there with"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "geometric shapes. It's black. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "smooth. It doesn't look of this world."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "It looks I don't know. Look, it looks"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "like a UFO, guys. What do you make of"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Wow, look at that, Blake. This is"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "incredible. Again, just exciting stuff"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "coming in here at third phase. And when"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "you see that helicopter, it seems to be"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "observing whatever this craft is, if you"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "could call it that, like you said, like"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "this thing has this smooth texture to"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "it, it it's so weird. And again, it has"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "these geome geometric shapes that makes"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "it very odd. Look how high up in the sky"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "that is. And it looks like a military"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "helicopter is observing this."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "No. Well, watch this one more time and"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "we're going to get to uh more videos"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "because this video is stacked with the"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "UFO phenomenon happening around the"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "world. But look at this, guys. I want to"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "get your comments in this live premiere."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "What was captured approximately, I'd say"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "about I don't know 2 to 3,000 ft in"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "altitude next to a military helicopter"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "in close observation of this unknown"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "object. What are we looking at?"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "That's the big question."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "All right, we've got a lot of videos"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "coming into third phase in this episode."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "So, let's roll it right now. Take a look"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "at this broad daylight sighting."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "One of the strangest experiments in"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "history suggest we could be living. an"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "incredible capture of some orb hanging"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "in the sky. And we're looking at it"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "right now. We're going to get some"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "extreme close-ups of this object. It"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "looks like it's a perfect sphere. You"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "can make out the outer edges gleaming"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "off the sun. It's silhouetted"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "underneath. And we're looking at the the"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "amazing capture with the beautiful"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "clouds in the background and this black"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "sphere. I'm not sure if it's a sphere or"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "underbelly of a flying saucer. Brent,"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "what do you make of this? Wow. Boom."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "Look at that. When the sun hits it, you"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "could clearly see that we're seeing the"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "bottom of this craft. I think it's"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "actually flat and not a sphere in"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "itself. It It looks almost disc-like."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "And when the sun hits it, you can see"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "that this this thing's made of metal."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "Again, look how high this object is up"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "in the sky. I'm estimating about 1500"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "feet, maybe 2,000 ft. And you can see"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "it's just slowly drifting from right to"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "left beneath the cloud layer. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "awesome."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "You notice the trees to the left."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "There's a slight breeze, but this thing"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "is just remaining"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "with purpose. It's not It's not wobbling"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "all over the place like a balloon. And"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "let's get an extreme closeup. We're"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "going to get a good closeup. We're"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "enhancing this video. Let's do it."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "All right, let's get a closeup. Like you"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "say, Brett, when when you see the gleam"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "from the sun hit the kind of the upper"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "carriage of this craft, you really get"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "to make out the shape of it. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "insane. I would estimate this thing to"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "be at least 25 to 30 feet in diameter."}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Definitely a metallic craft. broad"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "daylight."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "This guy's doing a really good job"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "capturing it because it was high up in"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "the sky and um let me tell you, it's not"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "easy filming UFOs. Sometimes it it gets"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "a little hectic because you're just"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "tripping out on what you're looking at."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "But right now, we're tripping out on"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "what we're observing in this video."}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "Guys, what do you make of this? Hit that"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "thumbs up in this live premiere and give"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "us your comments because"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "right now we're kind of scratching our"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "heads. And look at the clarity here,"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "Brent. Yeah, this is authentic. Look at"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "that. Again, you can see the rim of kind"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "of around the craft itself."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "Again, when the sun hits it, it sparks."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "It It's It screams that this thing is"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "made out of metal. This is wicked"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "footage right here. What a great"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "capture."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "All right, I just want to observe this"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "one more time and get that closeup. But"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "again, the the original video we're"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "looking at right now. And um yeah, this"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "thing's high up there. What is it doing"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "up there? Does it have any kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "intention? Is it looking for something?"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "Is it some kind of surveillance"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "going on here? Some unknown Black"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Project"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "drone of some sort? or is this something"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "otherworldly? And again, this closeup"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "when you see the underbelly, you almost"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "make like"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "some kind of construction"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "technology underneath that's just uh"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "undeniable because there is no means of"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "propulsion being seen here."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "You want clear UFO videos? You're in the"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "right place at Third Phase of Moon. All"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "right, let's get to the next one coming"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "in right now. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "Right. This happened over Chile. A"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "passenger aboard a commercial airliner"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "films out his his window and notices"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "something in the sky. This is insane"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "footage of some kind of cigar shaped"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "craft. It's illuminated. It's massive"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "and once again it's unknown. No means of"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "manipulation. What we're looking at at"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "is 100% legitimate footage. No AI or"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "CGI. We're slowing down the video. And"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "again, there's some geometric shape to"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "it. There's kind of like a point"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "at the end and then it's just kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "flat on the bottom. But this thing, I"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "would say, is at least maybe 100 yards"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "long. Brent."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Yeah, look at the illumination on that"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "thing. And it's this thing's huge."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "Whatever it is, it's a it's great"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "capture. Some people might say it's a"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "oil tanker. I'm not sure because of the"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "illumination on this thing and the"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "brightness. It doesn't look like one."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "This is again legitimate footage right"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "here at Thirdphase Moon. That's right,"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Brent. It is legitimate. And we're"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "looking at something that's once again"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "mindblowing. Let's play it in real time"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "side by side. The original to the left."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "I added some brightness contrast to the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "right. And man, whatever this thing is,"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "it's just kind of moving along right"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "below the cloud layer. There is the"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "passenger aboard this commercial"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "airliner over Chile is getting a real"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "amazing show. Better than the movies"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "you're going to see on airplanes. When"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "you're looking out your windows, as"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "you're traveling in the air, keep an eye"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "out for the UFO activity. It's constant."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "And I'm sure the pilots were aware of"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "this. I'd sure like to hear what they"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "got to say. Now, more videos into third"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "phase. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": ">> Oh, I don't know if you guys can see"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "this or not, but like this weird UFO"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "free floating object"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "floating over downtown. You see that"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Wait, hold on. We got to go under the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "bridge."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "See that"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "It's just floating there. It looks like"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "a I don't know."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "like a big space station or some"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "It's just floating in the sky. It's not"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "moving at all."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "What the is that?"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "It's not a balloon."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "That's a shrimp."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "Look at that"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "Just floating there silently."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "See that"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": " crazy,"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": ">> right? What was captured over San Diego"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "is quite impressive. This guy's like"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "kind of stuck in traffic and then he"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "notices something in the sky that he"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "can't explain what he's looking at. And"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "uh let me tell you, it's quite amazing."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "Wow. What's up with San Diego? It just"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "it's lighting up. It seems like every"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "week we're dropping a UFO from San"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "Diego. And again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "something indeed unidentified. We don't"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "know what this is. You can see it's kind"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "of like pill-shaped"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "white and some sort of like attachment"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "to the bottom of this. Yeah, definitely."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "I would be filming this if I saw this"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "flying in the sky. Pretty amazing"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "filming and driving in the freeway on"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "the freeway at the same time same time."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "I give this guy credit. It's pretty cool"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "stuff. All right, we're"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "like I said, we got so many videos that"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "are coming into third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "Take a look at this one. It's pretty"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "amazing. Watch."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "right, this one's kind of blowing me"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "away. Like I said, the videos, they just"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "keep coming into third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "And we're going to get some close-ups of"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "this craft just moving from left to"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "right ever so smoothly under design,"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "under control, under intelligence"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "of what looks to be some kind of pod"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "shape craft."}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "Undeniable UFO evidence right here."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "Looks it's silhouetted, but you could"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "make out kind of a sheen on here."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "There's a little light off the surface."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "In my opinion, this is metallic in"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "nature. It's a It's made out of some"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "kind of metal, but"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "you see it right there. This is a"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "structure. And this is a really good"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "closeup right here. This thing just"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "seems Look at this thing. It's flying"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "left to right at quite some speed. And"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "then it it kind of comes to a stall and"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "then picks up again. Let's look at this."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "There it is. You see that just kind of"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "like come to a bank stop and then it"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "starts to pick up its velocity. What a"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "good shot right here. Again, these"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "objects are being seen all over the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "world. These things aren't hiding"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "anymore. Look at this craft just again"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "come to a pause and then starts to move"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "again. Yeah, the flight characteristics"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "on this thing is very unconventional."}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "We're looking at something that isn't"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "any kind of drone that I'm aware of."}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "And it's off at a distance. I'd have to"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "say this thing's about 15 feet in uh in"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "length here. And again, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "get an extreme closeup"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "before we get to the next video. I just"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "want to watch this one more time. It's"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "just fascinating to look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "It's It comes to a stop and then picks"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "up some speed."}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "It remains on a consistent axis, which"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "is amazing to me."}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "It's amazing how the cameraman captured"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "it so clear. These 4K iPhones, Androids,"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "they're getting the job done nowadays."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "They're not shooting on potatoes"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "anymore. They're shooting in 4K HD video"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "footage that's blowing us away. Take a"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "look at this one. More videos coming"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "into"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "around."}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "The around"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "All right, let's get a sidebyside"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "comparison. The original to the left. I"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "blew up the one to the right about 700%"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "to get a close-up look of this object"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "just hanging in the sky. It looks like a"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "golden ship. Incredible stuff here,"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "man. It doesn't get much better than"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "this, Bryant."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "Yeah, look at the illumination on this"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "thing. It's bright. You can see it's"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "kind of like at dusk. And this thing's"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "just kind of tracking from left to"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "right."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "You could see the ship, you could call"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "it, actually charging up, kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "pulsating with this dynamic color of"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "light. This is amazing. Then it kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "just stopped and banked straight to the"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "left."}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "Wow. This is kind of mind-blowing. And"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "then you can see it kind of like the"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "light kind of glimmers. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "like turning off and on. This is wild"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "stuff right here. Very odd."}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "Yeah, look at the sheen of the lights"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "coming off this thing. Maybe it's kind"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "of glimmering because the cloud layer"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "obscuring the sun or it's its own"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "internal power source. But again, the"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "way it just switched directions is"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "totally unconventional. This is"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "something otherworldly in my opinion."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "Look at this sudden stop there. This"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "moments ago from Portland, Oregon."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Probably the creepiest thing I've ever"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "seen."}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "Here we go."}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "Right, let's look at this a little"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "closer. What the heck is this creepy"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "unidentified object roaming around in"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "Portland, Oregon? Man, he could hear it"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "in the guy's voice. He was like, \"What"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "the heck is that?\" It's the strangest"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "thing he's ever seen. It's making a"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "landing within the neighborhood."}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "Unbelievable. Creepy video just into"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "third phase moon. And we've got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "UFO videos in tonight's episode, so get"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "ready. But right now, I added some"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "brightness contrast so we can make out"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "uh more of this object. Brent, what do"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "you make of it? Yeah, look at this."}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "People may say this is some sort of"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "crypted, a flying humanoid, a jetpack"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "man, who knows? But this thing is it is"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "creepy. Like the guy says, he says"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "that's creepy. And look, it just kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "disappears as it falls behind the trees."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Where did this thing go?"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "again. What is this? Let's watch this"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "one more time. This is fascinating"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "footage."}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "Yeah, the way it moves, too. It's not"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "It's just on a consistent"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "smooth."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "Yeah, the axis is totally consistent."}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "It's not oscillating left to right or"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "undulating up and down."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "This thing just kind of like came down"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "on a constant continuous access. So"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "that's pretty interesting the nature of"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "these UFO videos. Now let's get to more"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "coming into third phase of moon. Take a"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "look at this."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "Something strange. San Diego a mass UFO"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "sighting."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "Right. We got multiple eyewitnesses."}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "Everybody's on the ground. They're"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "looking up kind of in on we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "hundreds of orbs or is this one massive"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "craft up up in the sky? It's It's insane"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "what's going on around our planet right"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "now. But once again, uh these series of"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "lights I'm just trying to make it out."}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "They're they're not individual drones in"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "my opinion. Brett, what do you make of"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "this? Yeah, this is wild. Too bad"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "there's just only basically about 10"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "seconds of footage. That's could be a"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "little sus, but we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "something. If this is real, pretty"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "incredible. It almost looks like a"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "formation of a galaxy by a cluster of"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "orbs. This is pretty wild. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "I know San Diego's been a hot spot"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "recently for UFO activity and they seem"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "to be coming out of the the Pacific"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "Ocean out there."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "That's right, Brandon. I just I remember"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "like last week there was a a a swarm of"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "UFOs over San Diego. thousands of UFOs,"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "like you say, suggesting Brent that"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "they're coming out of the ocean, the"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "Pacific Ocean. But then once again, San"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "Diego just a few days later, this"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "happens. So, I got a feeling there's"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "something peculiar going on off the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "coast of San Diego. Man, take a look at"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "coming in. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "All right, let's get a closer look at"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "the location of this shot. And we try to"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "bring it to you as much as possible."}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "Location matters. Argentina moments ago"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "breaking news of what looks to be like a"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "red tic tac streaking across the sky. We"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "have this little trail behind it, but I"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "don't think it's anything conventional."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "Whatever it is, it's 100%"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "unconventional. It's a UFO kind of it's"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "almost seems a little later in the day."}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "So, whatever this object is, it's"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "illuminated. But then again, this tic"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "tac shape and this little trail like a"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "smoke trail. Is this some kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "distressed UFO, Brett? Yeah. Take a look"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "at this capture right there. It gets it"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "perfect right in frame. And you do see"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "it clear as day. Some sort of trail"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "trailing this thing. This glowish tic"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "tac shaped object is what's kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "blowing me away. And this is something"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "incredible. This is incredible video."}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "This thing's way up in the sky, too, at"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "the same time. Could be some sort of"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "celestial event, but it doesn't look"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "like it. It looks like this is an"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "object. Could it be could have been shot"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "down? Who knows?"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "Yeah. Let's look at this again. Right"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "there in the beginning. Some people"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "might speculate that it's maybe just an"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "airplane and it's being uh lit up by the"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "sun, but I don't think so. It looks like"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "pure energy to me. And again, 100%"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "legitimate footage. We're not playing"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "around with AI videos. This isn't Tik"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "Tok or Instagram. This is Third Phase of"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "Moon. We're we're looking for source"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "location so we could verify that these"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "videos are that these videos are"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "authentic. And I think we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "something quite incredible. Guys, we"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "want to get your opinions in this live"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "premiere. Uh what do you think it is?"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "Again, just that first shot this guy got"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "is amazing. What's going on in"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "Argentina? Another UFO hot spot."}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "Now, let's get to the next video."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Coming out of Eastern China. What's"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "going on in China? The UFOs are off the"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "hook over there."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "Right, let's get a close-up look. Look"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "at the craft here. We're adding some"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "brightness, contrast. You could actually"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "make out almost a structure. You see"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "these lights? And in my opinion that"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "they're not individual drones. This is a"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "massive craft hovering in the sky over"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "China. And that's what's been going on"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "lately. There there have been huge"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "mother ships being spotted over there"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "this past week. And now in a different"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "part of a region of China, we get this"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "video just moments ago coming into third"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "phase. Breaking news."}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "September I got a feeling is going to"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "even be m way more crazy than last"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "month. Brent, what do you make of this?"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "Blake, we just got started and of this"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "month and now it's just we're getting"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "flooded with these killer UFOs and we're"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "seeing something amazing. Guys, look at"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "this. This large object almost I would"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "say as big as two oil riggers up there"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "in the sky. This this thing's just up"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "there and it does look like one single"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "craft. It doesn't look like orbs just"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "floating there creating an appearance of"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "something large. What we're seeing is a"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "one piece, I believe. And this"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "brightness, contrast, once you bring it"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "up and you highlight it, that's when"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "you're able to see that that we're"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "looking at something incredible."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "Yeah. When we get a look at this with"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "the brightness contrast, it almost seems"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "the size of Walmart, but then it has an"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "accompanying ore behind it. Or is that"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "just the continuation of the craft?"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "We're getting incredible videos coming"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "in just within the past 24 hours. What's"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "going on around our planet is"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "unexplained."}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "Now, let's get to the next video. It"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "just keeps coming in right here at Third"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "Phase."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "So, Russia is also a hot spot lately for"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "the UFO activity And once again, the"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "metallic orbs make a comeback, just"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "hovering over this radio tower. And look"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "at these things. They're just moving"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "ever so slightly among each other. I'm"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "not sure about this one, Brett. What do"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "you make of it?"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "That's a big question. I'm looking at"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "this. It does kind of scream legit, but"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "could it be too good to be true? I'm not"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "sure. But we have been seeing Russia"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "kind of light up with basically these"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "spheres that look exactly like this. So"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "we're looking at something if this is"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "indeed real."}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "Incredible."}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "You know, everything kind of matches up"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "the the lights, the motion of the"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "camera. It's over this like radio tower."}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "And obviously it seems that UFOs are"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "very interested in frequencies or"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "frequencies coming in from these power"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "lines and antennas. Crazy stuff coming"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "in. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "normal way is"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "coming out of Canada. The global"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "phenomenon continues of what looks to be"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "some kind of strange"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "biological smoky wispy UFO. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "thing. At first I thought it could have"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "been a kite, but look at the smoke"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "trails coming off this. Brett, what do"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "you make of it? Yeah, this is I think"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "the second time this month we've been"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "seeing videos exactly like this."}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "identical where we're seeing these kind"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "of it looks almost like a flying octopus"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "as it's its tail and tentacles"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "are leaving these smoky wispy"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "aspects to it."}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "Yeah, it looks like he pulled over. I"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "think he might be in his car or is that"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "his finger on the lens? I'm not exactly"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "sure. But we're looking at the object."}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "And this object doesn't seem solid to"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "me, except maybe the front end of it."}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "Again, like you say, Bren, it resembles"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "kind of like a biological"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "life form. An octopus possibly. But look"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "at this thing. Super close up. I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "think this is any kind of jet. What's it"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "spewing out is what uh kind of concerns"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "me, too. It's"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "It's like spewing out stuff."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "I don't know, man. These UFOs are"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "they're just getting stranger and"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "stranger. And the global phenomenon, it"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "just doesn't stop."}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "What a a crazy capture here."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "Let's take a look at this. More UFO"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "videos. Watch."}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "right, these cyclists were cruising"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "around on the roads of Portugal and now"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "they're looking at something crazy. What"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "a great day to go on a bike ride and see"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "UFOs. Now, more videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "This one's pretty nuts."}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "Coming out of England just moments ago."}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "More breaking news into Third Phase."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "You're looking for UFOs. The latest, the"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "newest, the greatest. You're in the"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "right place. Third phase. Third phase"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "got your back. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "Right, let's take a close-up look at"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "this strange object. It almost looks"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "like a brain to me. It's very It's"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "bizarre. And whatever was captured in"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "the skies over England is a mystery to"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "me. Brent, you got any speculation on"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "Yeah, look at this thing. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "just remaining static as it just travels"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "in this linear line here."}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "This thing again is way off in the"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "distance. I'm saying maybe"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "a mile or two and you can see the birds"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "pass in front of it. This thing's way"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "out there. So, this thing I would"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "calculate being the size of a school"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "bus. This thing's huge. Is this thing"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "even rotating? It It seems like it's"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "just static."}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "Yeah. It's not oscillating from left to"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "right or undulating up and down. It's on"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "a perfect axis. It's not even rotating,"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "Brett. It does have that kind of"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "silhouette of"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "of something biological."}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "Birds always seem to come into frame"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "when UFOs are in the sky for some"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "reason. I think they're attracted to it."}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "They're kind of curious like like we are"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "like, \"What's why is this in our"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "airspace?\" But once you get a close-up"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "look, look at this."}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "It's just it's hard to explain, but you"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "could make out slight structure to it"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "for sure."}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "It's off at a distance, too, Brian. I"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "think your size estimation is proper."}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "All right, let's get some more videos"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "coming into Third Phase Moon. And if"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "you're enjoying this episode, you know"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "what to do. Hit that thumbs up."}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "Still looking at this one more time."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "It's crazy crazy evidence coming in. All"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "right, let's get to it. More videos."}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "Right. The video only lasted for"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "moments, but Hadalgo, Mexico, something"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "strange was captured. It almost it just"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "it just seems so weird what's going on"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "lately. And as I'm looking at this with"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "the zoom and the enhancement, it almost"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "gives like a hue of purple color. An"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "extreme closeup here."}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "Can't really make out any kind of"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "anything practical that would have this"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "thing seemingly defy the laws of"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "physics. It's not defying the laws of"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "physics. It's doing something that"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "seemingly is, but look how once again"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "static in the sky. What a beautiful"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "afternoon it was, too. And silhouetted"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "by the sun going be down behind the"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "clouds. But once again, this craft is"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "just hanging up there,"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "Brent."}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "Yeah, this is 100% legitimate footage. I"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "got to just say that start. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "I do see a little kind of different tone"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "of color at the top. It almost has a"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "little bit more transparency on it. Not"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "saying it is, but it's just a tonality"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "of color"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "is a little different. But look at this"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "thing just remaining steady. And again,"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "like last video, this thing's really far"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "off there. I would say about a mile,"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "maybe a little less."}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "But I don't see no thrust, no props,"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "none of that. None of that. We're seeing"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "something that we're all looking for,"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "guys. UFOs. And this is it right here."}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "This is an unidentified flying object."}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "Absolutely, Brent. Amazing stuff coming"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "into third phase of moon. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "this recent sighting moments ago."}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "Breaking news coming out of Italy."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "It's off at a distance, but when we get"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "a closeup and add some brightness"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "contrast, we make out something unusual,"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "spectacular. Look at this massive craft"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "just above the surface of the water"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "hovering"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "from right to left. What the heck is"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "going on, Brett? Wow, what a great"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "closeup. This is incredible. Again,"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "we're looking at something off the coast"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "of Italy in the Mediterranean. This is"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "incredible. You can see the middle shape"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "of this craft. It looks like it's"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "highlighted of like a golden rod just"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "floating up there. Could this be some"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "sort of phenomenon known as phantom"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "orana? I'm not sure."}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "But this looks incredibly,"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "you know, surreal. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "something incredible."}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "Yeah. Usually with that Morgana, you're"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "having a lot of heatwave disturbance"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "which creates an illusion and kind of"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "makes whatever maybe a ship or ocean"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "liner out there seemingly float above"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "the horizon. But I don't know, man. This"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "is I I'm looking at it and I'm not"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "seeing any ship. If this is an optical"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "illusion, dang, it's crazy. We wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "hesitate to show this to you. We know"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "it's 100% legitimate. The question is"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "what is it? And that's why we're uh"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "sharing it right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "Moon. We want to get to the bottom of"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "it. Anybody see this off the coast of"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "Italy? Let us know. Now, more videos"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "coming into Third Phase. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "So, we're going to get a good close-up"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "look at whatever this object is. It's"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "just hovering across the sky. Watch."}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "We're just going to let it roll raw."}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "We could be living in a simulation."}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "Okay, we're going to put a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "filters on here. Brightness, contrast."}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "We're going to zoom it up just a little"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "bit more to look at this plasmic"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "display. I know it's just a dot, but"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "this thing it's in broad daylight and we"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "get comparison. So, it's it's not just"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "like a white dot in a black sky. We're"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "we're getting this in broad daylight."}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "So, whatever it is, the luminosity on"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "this thing is pretty great. Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "Look at this fantastic orb just moving"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "from left to right out really quite some"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "distance away. I would say about 5"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "miles. And here's a great closeup of"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "this thing. This isn't nothing"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "conventional. We don't see no wings."}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "This isn't a helicopter. It's not a"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "bird. What is this? I can tell you one"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "thing, Brett. It's 100% authentic"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "footage. No manipulation. We're looking"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "at something incredibly beautiful. At"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "the same time, a mystery to us. Now,"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "take a look at this video again."}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "Breaking news coming into third phase of"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "moon. Something fisherman captured"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "something on camera. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "Hello"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "So many"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "All right, we're going to look at this"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "once again of what looks to be a massive"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "craft hovering in the sky. These"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "fishermen were out there and they"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "noticed something amazing and they"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "actually captured it on camera. And uh"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "this is a pretty incredible. I'm hoping"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "that these guys come forward. I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "that the other fishermen were filming"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "this as well. So, we're going to keep an"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "eye on this Breaking E story coming out"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "um over there in Mexico. These fishermen"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "experience something that uh I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "they're not going to forget anytime"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "soon. What an incredible capture coming"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "in uh to Third Phase of Moon. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "sure these guys are super stoked. Now,"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "more videos. Watch."}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "All right. So,"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "I don't know what is going on, but"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "there's something in the air"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "in the sky out getting closer to us and"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "it's doing this"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "and we have no idea what is happening."}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "So bizarre."}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "All right, we haven't stopped the video."}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "It's just uh continuing. We wanted to"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "get a side byside comparison of this"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "object just seemingly communicating."}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "Some people are speculating that if you"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "look at this and maybe run it through AI"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "or something that it might be some kind"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "of Morris code or signal of some sort,"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "Yeah. Look at this. Uh I used to know"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "Morris code just a bit, but anybody out"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "there I'm sure that some of our fans out"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "there know exactly what Morris code is"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "and how to read it. Do you guys see"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "anything here? Again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "this bright object just kind of"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "pulsating up there in the sky off off"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "there in the distance. This isn't a"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "star. I don't believe it's a drone. This"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "is those those orbs that are be are"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "being seen all over the world. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "it's interesting. I like her testimony"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "as well. Now, more videos. We're not"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "stopping."}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "Right."}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "A charge of plasmic display right here."}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "Broad daylight. No CGI, no AI, 100%"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "legitimate. I I like this video. Even"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "though it lasted for a moment in time,"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "it did capture something off the"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "mountains over there in Brazil of uh"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "some kind of plasmic display and then it"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "just kind of burns out. This is strange."}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "A static charge, right?"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "Yeah. Look at this thing. It's just this"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "charged energy ball and it's as bright"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "as a sun and it's just moving so"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "slightly and then it just kind of"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "evaporates and disintegrates. You could"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "almost say that's incredible. Look at"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "This isn't no Chinese lantern or like"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "you said Blake CGI or AI. We're looking"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "at something incredible. The the"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "phenomenon that's real. Yeah. Look how"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "far off in a distance it is, Brent. This"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "thing is probably at least 10 ft in"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "diameter, maybe. I wouldn't want to be"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "too close. I'm sure it packs a punch,"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "these cluster charges."}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "Is it intelligent? I'm not sure. But"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "look at how it just like blinked out of"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "existence. Now, more videos that"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "All right, let's split the screen. We're"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "uh continuing the video, the original to"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "the left, and we're just letting it play"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "of what looks to be some kind of cross"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "ascending into the sky in Italy just"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "moments ago. We're breaking the news"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "right here at Third Phase Moon. And look"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "at this thing. It seems to do a slight"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "rotation. The camera's a little shaky."}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "This thing's off at a distance. At least"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "a couple miles, the cameraman. And uh"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "look at this cross display there, Brent."}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "Wow. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "This guy's he's pulling in. He's He's"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "maxing out his lens as far as he can."}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "He's He's got it locked in and getting"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "the money shot of this kind of white"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "cross ascending into the sky. This thing"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "This thing's large. I'd estimate it to"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "be about 60 to 50 ft tall and in length."}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "And is this thing slightly rotating?"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "Look at the black mass there as the"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "cross kind of turns with the shadow."}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "We're just going to let it roll a little"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "bit. This video lasts for quite some"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "Hey, Heat."}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "So, what is going on in Italy? You know,"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "just two videos in the same episode"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "and just just last a couple days ago, we"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "were receiving videos from Italy. It"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "just seems that it's uh lighting up. But"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "is this some kind of biblical message or"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "something? Because look at this thing"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "off at a distance. I haven't seen"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "anything quite like this. and the"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "contrast from the green mountain and uh"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "this thing just rising."}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "It's incredible footage that we're"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "looking at here."}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "Getting a good close-up look at it. And"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "uh you know it it just doesn't it"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "doesn't look like or it's not a balloon"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "in my opinion. We added some brightness"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "contrast to the right side by side"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "comparison. And again it just kind of it"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "ascends into the sky on a straight axis."}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "Brett, what do you make of this? All I"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "know is in I was in Italy about 3 months"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "ago. I was there for about a whole month"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "and I was talking to people on the"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "ground and they're used to seeing UFOs"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "all the time. It seems like it's they"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "talk about it like it's a kind of a"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "regular occurrence. And look at this"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "thing. It's rising showcasing a full"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "cross if that's that's what it is."}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "That's what it looks like. This is"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "incredible stuff here. That's right,"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "Brett. Now, let's get to the next video."}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "Welcome."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "An incredible sighting just captured and"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "we're looking at it right now coming"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "into third phase moon of what looks to"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "be a crazy ship hovering in the sky."}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "There's the full moon off in the"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "distance. The man's putting his hands in"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "front of the camera lens to prove that"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "this is an AI. There's a helicopter that"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "swoops in and uh we're looking at this"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "right now. We're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "manipulation. It's 100% legitimate"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "footage and we're just trying to get a"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "closer look. There's the helicopter that"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "comes into frame. He pulls back into the"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "shot of whatever this silhouetted craft"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "in the sky. It just did an oscillation"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "right there. But what do what do you"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "make of this? Wow. This is bombshell"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "evidence right here. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "something incredible. We're getting a"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "good closeup. We're seeing this kind of"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "cloaked kind of silhouetted shaped UFO"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "in the night sky. And then I like the"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "way he does use the fingers to prove"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "like, yeah, this isn't AI. What you're"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "seeing is legitimate footage. And when"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "you get this closeup, you see that"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "there's almost some like this craft is"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "almost made of some it's like cloth."}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "It's waving in the wind."}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "I like the way he pulls back. Look at"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "right there. It does this does a subtle"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "uh rotation just ever so slightly."}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "There's I think this was captured during"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "the um the full moon just uh a few days"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "ago and we're looking at something that"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:11", "text": "we can't explain. Look at that. You're"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "right, Brent."}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "Very strange and but uh you know that's"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "what strange is. It's the unknown and"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "that's what we're looking at and that's"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "what we thrive on over here at Third"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "Phase of Moon. People say, \"How do you"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "get all these videos?\" It's just like,"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "man, the phenomenon, it just it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "stop. And we're so excited. In this"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "episode, we've got a ton of UFO videos."}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "Guys, can you explain what we're looking"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "at right here? All right, let's get to"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "the next one. Coming out of China."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "Watch."}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "Right, let's look at this once again."}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "We're going to add some brightness,"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "contrast of what looks to be I don't"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "know, man. It's a series of lights, but"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "is it one massive craft up in the night"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "sky? I'm not sure. But all I know is"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "that China has been off the hook lately"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "with the UFO activity, and we're looking"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "at it and it's not stopping. Uh, man,"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "what do you make of this? A cluster of"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "orbs, Brian, or is this one massive"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "craft? Look at that."}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "Yeah, look at that formation. There"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "could be actually one solid craft. And"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "you see that top one to the almost 11:00"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "position. And there's a steel right"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "there. We're getting a good look at it."}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "Yeah. Is this one craft, a singular"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "craft right there with an escort? Look"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "at this. This formation is wild."}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "Look at as it traverses across the night"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "sky. And I think a star kind of comes"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "into position. So, you can make out that"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "whatever this thing is, it's moving at a"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "a There it is. This thing's moving at a"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "pretty good speed. And it's massive. I'd"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "say I don't know, man. Two 300 feet in"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "length here. If this is one craft,"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "whatever is going on in China, let's not"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "uh just keep it going, guys. You're the"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "videos coming out of there is just it's"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "mindboggling."}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "Now, take a look at this. More videos"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "into third phase."}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "Broad daylight sighting."}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "Some people might call this a humanoid."}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "We're going to get a good look at it."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "There it is."}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "A second angle. I guess he managed to"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "run around the back maybe of his place"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "and capture it as it still traverses"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "across the sky. We're looking at it."}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "We're adding a little bit of slow"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "motion."}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "And let's look at this once again. We'll"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "get a closeup."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "We're slowing it down. It almost looks"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "like the silver surfer. Brent, what do"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "you make of this? Dang, that's a good"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "closeup. Yeah, it looks like he's"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "hanging 10 right there up in the sky."}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "That's kind of wild, actually. There it"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "is. It does almost resemble a humanoid."}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "Is it a balloon? I don't think so. This"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "is strange. That was a good closeup"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "right there. I think Yeah, I liked that"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "he got two angles of the event. What"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "we're looking at is real. We're The big"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "question is what are we looking at?"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "And the second angle right here, it"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "seemed that it changed its uh"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "its structural feature. It's changed up."}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "But this part of the video, I really"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "like. He just kind of scramles out there"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "to get the shot. And then I like the"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "enhancements. That's what we do here. We"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:58", "text": "uh get a close eye. We examine very"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "closely the videos. We don't want to see"}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "any manipulation. And we're not seeing"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "any. And again, this thing's not"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "oscillating either. It's It's on a"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "straight axis across the the sky there."}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "All right, one more time before we get"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "to the next video. Guys, what's your"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "thoughts? I want to get it in in this"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "live premiere."}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "Real time video coming in from around"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "the world."}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "Yeah, it did change its characteristics."}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "It shape. Is it a shape shifter?"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "All right, let's roll the next video"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "coming into third phase."}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "This one's a pretty beautiful shot. It's"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "It's plasmic. It's an orb. It's off at a"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "distance just hovering across the tree"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "lines there."}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "You're walking around in a beautiful"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "afternoon and then you spot this in the"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "sky. We're going to get a super closeup"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "right there to the right. The original"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "video to the left. I blew it up about"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "800%. You can see that what we're"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "looking at is pure energy. This ain't no"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "balloon. Brett, what do you make of"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "this? Wow, that's wild. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "This charged energy ball just floating"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "there. It looks like It looks like a"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "mini sun. This thing's wild. Look at it"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "go past the tree line there."}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "What is this? It's This is incredible"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "footage right here, Blake. That's right,"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:47", "text": "Brent. And we've got a lot more"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "incredible videos. Let's roll it right"}, {"start": "00:54:47", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "This one incredible. At 30,000 ft, a"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "pilot manages to get the money shot of"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "this unusual object up in the sky."}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "All right, let's bring in the"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "enhancements. I blew it up again about"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "1,000%"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "to the right. You can almost make out"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "some patterns on this craft. What"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "business does it have to be up there at"}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "30,000 ft the original video to the"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "left, we're looking at once again 100%"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "legitimate footage. I like this pilot."}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "He's actually flying the airplane and"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "capturing the UFO video at the same"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "time. What a steady hand. And look at"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "the patterns there. I added some"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "brightness contrast. He realigns his"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "camera angle and he catches it on its"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "last sighting."}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "Dang, these pilots, they need to come"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "forward and start talking to third phase"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "of moon, bright. Wow, this is"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "incredible. We've been mentioning, let's"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "get the pilots footage. Let's let's get"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "that the helicopter guy, the pilot. And"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "this right now, this guy's within the"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "cockpit filming deadon, and he gets a"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "really great shot right on target. There"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "it is, center. And we're looking at this"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "diamond shaped craft at basically the"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "same linear level as the airplane"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "itself."}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "And he's managing to get the best angle"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "as he can. It just flew right by him,"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "but he had about maybe 20 seconds to"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "capture this this anomaly. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "craft."}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "What's keeping this thing up in the sky?"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "It has really these sharp points of"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "edges. It doesn't look like any sort of"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "weather balloon. What is this?"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "I don't know, Brent. But uh look at this"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "closeup here. You're It almost has some"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "some interesting patterns. I'm not sure"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "what kind of airplane this guy's flying."}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "Maybe uh if you got some pilots in the"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "chat, could you let us know?"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "But I like the way they're just like"}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "turning their heads like what the heck"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "are we just looking at? I'm sure they're"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "a little concerned as well being in"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "close proximity. You don't want any uh"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "collisions with these things. Like I"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "said, this thing has no business being"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "up there in the sky."}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "When you have pilots filming UFOs, I you"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "only get there's only a handful of the"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "great UFO videos. than this one. Fresh"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "in right here at third phase of moon and"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "uh it just doesn't get much better than"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "this. Broad daylight pilots, pretty"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "steady camera work, good close-ups. I"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "think this was shot in 4K. That's why"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "these videos are getting clearer and"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "clearer. The technology on our iPhones"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "are capable of bringing forth the"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "evidence in the clearest way possible in"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "human history. So, this is exciting"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "stuff that we're looking at."}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "And again, is it just uh it seems that"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "it has its own energy that it's going in"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "the opposite direction. I don't think"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "this thing's just stationary in the sky."}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "Could be parallax, but I don't think so."}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "Now, more videos into third phase. Take"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "a look at this."}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "right, let's roll this once again. We're"}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "going to zoom up and get a closeup. I"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "added some brightness contrast. At"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "first, it was just major silhouette, but"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "after I put in the the filter,"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "brightness, contrast, and put it up, you"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "could almost you're making out a"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "structure here. And that's what I like"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "about this one. And it's just it's"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "access is very strange. And it's like he"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "said that it was zipping back and forth"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "for about 20 minutes. And he just"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "continuously just started to shoot"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "random times during that 20 minutes. And"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "he captured something incredible. Look"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "at this closeup here. brain. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "definitely. You see a structure. It"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "almost looks like there's this"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "cylindrical"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "object in the middle of this kind of a"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "Look at this thing as it takes off and"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "has this point there to the right. What"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "is this? Wow. This is incredible. This"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "episode's incredible. Now, get ready. We"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "got more UFO videos. We're looking at a"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:08", "text": "broad daylight sighting coming out of"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "Mexico captured just moments ago. And uh"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "let me tell you, I can't explain to you"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "what we're looking at except that it's"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "the phenomenon. Look at this. Let's"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "watch this one more time. We're going to"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "get some close-ups. We've got so many"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "UFOs in this video. It's going to be an"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "exciting ride. So, let's buckle up"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "everybody. Be safe out there because uh"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "the UFOs are on. Brent, what do you make"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "of this? Wow. Take a look at this Blake."}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "Look at that thing. This craft. It's"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "kind of like rotating and then you see"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "these kind of sparks of energy produce"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "itself right at the bottom of this craft"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "if you call it that. It's look at the"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "oscillation on this thing. There it is."}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "You see it kind of pulsating. It almost"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "look at the way it's tilting. This is"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "kind of what Bob Lazar calls when it has"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "this wobble effect when these craft are"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "flying in this kind of zerog gravity."}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "You know, I like the way the cameraman,"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "and what's cool, too, is there's"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "multiple eyewitnesses to this, but how"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "high this is up in the sky. He's got a"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "really good zoom on it. I would"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "approximately say that this is probably"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "about maybe a/4 mile in away from the"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "camera person. So, I'd estimate this"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "thing to be maybe about 30 feet in"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "diameter. But again, look at how it it"}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "almost seems like it's a fabric almost."}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "It's weird."}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "Again, broad daylight sightings are"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "happening more frequently and the video"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "quality just keeps getting better and"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "better. And uh again, this black sphere"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "or uh excuse me, uh flying disc. I I'm"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "not sure. It's just hard to make out the"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "shape of it cuz it's so silhouetted. But"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "look at the gleaming light right at the"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "tip there."}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "I'm gonna have to rule out a kite."}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "Right. What do you What do you think?"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "Oh, yeah. Definitely. I'm ruling out any"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "AI in this, too. We're looking at"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "legitimate footage. This is captured by"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "a real person and they're capturing a"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "real object up there in the sky. Look at"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "that. He was he pulled in quite some"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "quite close there and it took a while."}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "So, this thing again, like you said, is"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "pretty far off up there in the sky. And"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "what I like about it the best, you see"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "it actually rotate. This thing almost"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "looks like it could be made out of"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "metal. I'm not sure if it's made out of"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "people may say it looks like an upside"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "down umbrella, but look at this thing."}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "Yeah, maybe the wobbly effect to it is"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "just because of the heat wave and the"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "atmospheric disturbance creating this,"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "you know, wave in front of the lens as"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "it's so pulled in, zoomed. When you see"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "it from back here, it looks pretty"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "solid, but look at I think that must be"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:51", "text": "like just heat waves creating this this"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:51", "text": "atmospheric disturbance."}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "Crazy stuff coming into Third Phase"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "Moon. And we just got started tonight,"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "guys."}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "All right, let's take a take a look at"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "the next video coming in. And uh let me"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "tell you, we can't explain these. That's"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "why we're sharing them with you. Watch."}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:13", "text": "Do you do you see that black spot? It's"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "a perfect square. It's not on the lens."}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "It's still there."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "All right, let's get some close-ups of"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "this. It reminds me of last night's"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "video what we posted with regards to"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "this strange black silhouetted object up"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "against the moonlight. I'm not sure is"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "this the moon or the sun. I I think it's"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "the moon. It's must have been the full"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "moon about a week ago. And look at this"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "square perfect square shaped UFO in the"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "sky. Uh actually I'm I'm leaning towards"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "the sun now. But what do you make of"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "this thing? Yeah, definitely. I think"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "that's our star. We're looking at"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "something strange. He says it looks like"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "a square. And it does. It looks like"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "this very contrasted black silhouetted"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "cube shaped like craft hovering up"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "there. And there's a good closeup."}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:04", "text": "What's keeping this thing up in the sky?"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "I don't see no thrust, no props on this"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "thing. Look at that closeup in the"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "symmetry on this thing. It has these"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "very sharp points and people might and"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "just the whole shape of this thing and"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "how how lined up up as a squareer. This"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "is really incredible stuff here."}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "I like the way he pulls back, too. This"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "thing's off at a distance, but it's not"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "like rising or descending. It just"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "remains perfectly still in the sky"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "there. He describes it as a perfect"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "black cube. Some people might call it a"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "diamond shaped UFO. It's hard to tell"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "because it's perfectly silhouetted, but"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "the geometric shape is no doubt about"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "it. This thing's"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "This thing has sharp edges to it. And"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "I'm I'm going to roll out a kite, too,"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "because kites move from one end to the"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "other. They undulate. They oscillate."}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "You see a tail on a kite. I'm not seeing"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:07", "text": "any of this. And I'm not seeing any"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "manipulation either. What we're looking"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "at, in my opinion, is 100% legitimate"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "footage coming into third phase."}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "Yeah. Has me thinking when you look at"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "this, it it doesn't it just remains"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "static in the sky. It's just straight up"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "right there. I think there's a little"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "diffusion of light as he focused in, but"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "it almost looks like an opening. Kind of"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:37", "text": "like a doorway into another dimension,"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "you could almost say, cuz it's just so"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "pitch black right there, whatever this"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "object is. Or some people might say a"}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "doorway."}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "It's like this square void in the sky"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "into into nothing."}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "Look at there is we can't make out any"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "kind of shape of or excuse me like a a"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "craft or a hole of the craft. We're just"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "making out these straight lines. And"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "again, Brian, a doorway to somewhere"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "else. I'm not sure, but it just looks"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "super cool."}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:18", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video."}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "Coming into third phase moon. We're"}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "getting them from around the world 24/7."}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:24", "text": "It's not stopping here. That's why we're"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "putting up daily videos for about a"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "month and a half now straight now. Take"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "a look."}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:32", "text": ">> What is this, you guys? I've been"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "watching it and I am just like, uh, is"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "that is that a spaceship? Listen, guys."}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "I'm over here. Come and get me. See that"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "little light on the bottom? That just"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "dropped down from it and it's floating"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "down now."}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "I'm waiting. Come and get. Now they've"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "like separated a little bit. They lost"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "one. He went down on the ground."}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "Oh my gosh. I wish I could see way more"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "clearly."}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "Where are they going now? Over here."}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "I'm over here, guys. Come and get me."}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:15", "text": "Hello. Oh, and then they dropped like a"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "little light thing down. There it is."}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "There's the light thing that they"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "dropped that's like hovering and they're"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "like, \"Okay, you can come back up here,"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "boss, whenever you're done.\" Aliens just"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "like out in the out in the open. It's"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:31", "text": "just total totally normal now. I Nothing"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "could surprise me these days. If an"}, {"start": "01:07:31", "end": "01:07:34", "text": "alien came into my backyard right now,"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "I'd be like, \"What up? I've been waiting"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "for you."}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "I've been waiting.\""}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "All right, let's uh add some brightness"}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "contrast. We're looking at it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "again, strange lights in the sky. Some"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "people might say this is an oncoming"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "airplane. I don't think so. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "seeing the typical anti-colision FAA"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "lights on this. It's just all lit up."}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "And you could hear from the woman's"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "voice that she was stunned and she wants"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "to get answers. And I don't blame her."}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "Look at this thing."}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "I'm trying to make out if it's just a"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "series of lights or it's just one solid"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "structure, a large craft hovering in the"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "sky. Again, I'm not making out a craft."}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "Are these individual drones? They seem"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "that they're just so locked in in"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "sequence to each other that they're"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "connected to something."}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "Yeah, Blake. In my opinion, I'm looking"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "at a one big large craft floating up"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "there and then she noticed these other"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "orbs kind of flanking off to the right"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:37", "text": "bottom there. You see it? She goes back"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "and points at it again. There it is."}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "There's actually two of them. And then"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "I'm still looking at the lights that's"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "hovering there. They don't seem to be"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "moving. I'm ruling out that this is a"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "commercial airliner and it's and it's"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "headlights coming at us. This is"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "something else. And there's another orb."}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "This one's a little bit more has an"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "orange hue to it. And this is just"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "amazing. Look at the classicness going"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "on right here. This is awesome."}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "I like what she says like, \"Come over"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "here. I'm here. Come pick me up. And"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "she's wondering if it's a spaceship. I I"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "don't know. It looks It's definitely up"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "in in the sky taking up space. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "sure if this is ET in nature, but it"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "kind of reminds me of the daylight"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "Phoenix lights a little bit. And uh"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "we're looking at something that is quite"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "incredible."}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "I'm over here, guys. Come and get me."}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "Uh, you know, I I I feel like a lot of"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "people around the world feel that way."}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:41", "text": "It's funny, but it's interesting."}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "Sometimes these orbs are the things that"}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "are the first indicators before a major"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:49", "text": "UFO sighting. And we're getting kind of"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "like two UFO sightings at the same time,"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "which is very interesting."}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "She's been waiting for them for a long"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:01", "text": "time. I guess she's has her dream come"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "true. But look at the brightness"}, {"start": "01:10:01", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "contrast. There's the orb up on top."}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "And uh again, I would have to say this"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "craft, look at the building below it."}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "It's a size of a building. Maybe about"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "200 feet, 300 feet in length. This"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "thing's huge."}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "Definitely like that thing's massive."}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "And people say like there's these orbs"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "that are floating. It might be some sort"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "of alien cloaking device. That's that's"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "why we might not be able to see the the"}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "structure of the ship itself. People"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "have been speculating that these past"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "couple months. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "again the this object, this craft just"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "hovering up there. It's not falling to"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "the ground. Yeah, it's moving ever so"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:52", "text": "slightly"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "from left to right. Just a very a"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "minimum speed, but all the lights are"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "are locked into each other. And then"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "these multiple orbs down near the"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "surface. Man, this is a crazy UFO video"}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "All right, we're we're back. We're"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:14", "text": "going. We're not stopping. More videos"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "right here. Take a look."}, {"start": "01:11:14", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "boy"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "at the"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "other."}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "All right, there's a still from the"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "video itself. And uh I don't know. This"}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "is a strange looking UFO. The edges are"}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "so smooth on this."}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "It's almost"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "it's opaque white. You see a little"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "shadow from underneath, but"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "its shape looks like a pod up in the sky"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "there, Brett."}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "Yeah, he just stole the words right out"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "of my mouth. It does look like a pod."}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "And look at this thing. It has this kind"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "of bowlish under. It looks like a bowl"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "right at there at the bottom. a nice"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "sphere, but then at the top of this"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "craft, it's kind of cut off, which gives"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "it this really odd shape. I've never"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:25", "text": "seen anything quite like this."}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "And it's not a drone. We're ruling that"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "out. And definitely, it's not a balloon."}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "Look how far far away this thing is. And"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "then he he's zooming in as best as he"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:35", "text": "can. That's what I like. The new"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "technology, these cameras are getting"}, {"start": "01:12:35", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "good and the videos are just getting"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "clearer. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "And with reference to the clouds, this"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "it's so stationary in the sky."}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "It's not oscillating left or right or"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "undulating up and down. It's just"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "remaining steady. Balloons. Balloons"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "don't do that. And then the shape on"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:05", "text": "this thing. There's some really clear"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:08", "text": "moments when you could just make out how"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "smooth the structure is. and no means of"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "any kind of props on this thing keeping"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "it up in the sky. Look at this. A still"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "no enhancements, 100% coming in from a"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "legitimate video. No CGI, no AI."}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "People say that they they're just"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "non-believers. They don't want to"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "believe because the evidence is just too"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "strong."}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "Like I said, we've been going at it for"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "a month and a half. Daily episodes with"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "about 10 to 12 individual UFO sightings"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "on a daily basis coming in. Every day"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "we're posting. It just we're getting it"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "from all angles with Tik Tok, Instagram,"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "our emails, people submitting it to us"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "via Facebook. It just doesn't stop. And"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "again, broad daylight sightings. It just"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "doesn't get much better than this."}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "Guys, do you have a any clue what this"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "could be?"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "coming in to Third Phase Moon. You know"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "what to do. Hit that thumbs up."}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "All right, let's pull that once again."}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "Crazy lights dancing in the sky. And"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:47", "text": "then a certain part of the video right"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "about now, it almost looks like these"}, {"start": "01:14:47", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "lights are underneath the water"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "floating up in the sky though. It's so"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "weird. These lights are sporadically"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "moving around."}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "Did you see that, Brent? Look at how"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:10", "text": "strange these lights are just warping."}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "It almost like again has this"}, {"start": "01:15:10", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "fractual"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "optic thing going here, right? Wow,"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "that's wild. It's like it's going"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "through some strange prism of a sort."}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "It's really wild. I I think this was"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "captured on a farm and we're seeing like"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "he said like these series of lights and"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "they're just kind of they're very"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "strange. They don't really make any"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "normal sense of pattern of where it's"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "what it's trying to do. It just seems"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "like it's kind of connected and then you"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "see this warp"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "that just goes all around it. It's hard"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "to explain what you're looking at here."}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "This is wild."}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "You could see the trees over there to"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:58", "text": "the right and then some stars up there"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "to the left. But these aren't stars,"}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:03", "text": "man. They're they're uh they're organic"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "in nature. It's just hard to make out"}, {"start": "01:16:03", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "exactly what what the function of this"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "is. Is it maybe an an opening to another"}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "dimension? I'm not sure. It's crazy. All"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "That is a plane."}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:33", "text": ">> What is that?"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:36", "text": ">> That's a plane."}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "What is that?"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:52", "text": ">> San Diego."}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "What is that?"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:57", "text": ">> All right, let's uh get a close-up look"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "of this tic-tac-shaped UFO up in the"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "sky. I I blew it up about 1,000% so we"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "could get a better look at this. We're"}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "not seeing any kind of propellers on the"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "back, any FAEA lights or a gondola"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "underneath. So, we're going to roll out"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "an airship or or a blimp. And it's"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "interesting. I like the way he"}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "he's like, \"There's the airplane, but"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "what the heck is this?\" And uh whatever"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "it is, it's the altitude is extreme on"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "this thing. Let's uh let's pull back the"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "original footage. And look how he has to"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "zoom in how how high it is. There's the"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "airplane. This was captured in San"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "Diego. And it looks like the airplane is"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "just about the same distance as this"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "thing up in the sky. So, you can make a"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "comparison that whatever this that is"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "comparatively to the airplane, they're"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "about the same size. So, this thing's"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "about 300 ft in length, maybe. Brett,"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:53", "text": "what do you make of this? Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:55", "text": "Incredible stuff right here. This guy's"}, {"start": "01:17:53", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "filming a plane, commercial airliner,"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:18:00", "text": "and it could probably that plane looks"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:03", "text": "like it's at 20 30,000 feet. So,"}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:05", "text": "this object, whatever it is, it's it's"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "way up there. Could even be a little"}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "higher than the than the plane itself."}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "But when you get a good closeup,"}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "it really showcases something very"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "unusual. Look at this."}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "Yeah, it's almost transparent,"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "but it has it's there's definitely"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "structure to it."}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "Another"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "broad daylight sighting, guys. It's It's"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "just They're not hiding anymore."}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "All right, you want more videos?"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "Why not? Let's just roll it. Apparently,"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:45", "text": "this was captured on a moose cam. This"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "video showcases a series of lights."}, {"start": "01:18:45", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "Watch."}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "All"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "right. So, a person was going over the"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "NASA moose cam looking for moose and"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "then noticed these strange lights in the"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "sky. So, he went ahead and rewinded the"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "feed and filmed it on his computer"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "screen and added some brightness"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "contrast to showcase what he witnessed."}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "And right now, look at these lights."}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "They're just undulating."}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "replicating."}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "Oh my god, this just uh bizarre."}, {"start": "01:19:28", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "Yeah, if this is coming from a real"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:34", "text": "just, you know, moose cam and nothing's"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "manipulated about it, we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "something fantastic. Let's look at these"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "series of lights kind of pop into"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "existence."}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "First, the skies are clear and they're"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "one, two, three. They just kind of"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "they're birthing themselves and"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "multiplying and kind of popping in and"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:56", "text": "out of existence."}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "Then a whole series of fleet of them and"}, {"start": "01:19:56", "end": "01:20:01", "text": "then they just kind of do these hyper"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "hyper jumps."}, {"start": "01:20:01", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "This is wild stuff."}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "Yeah, they started out as three"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "individual craft and then uh multiplying"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "to maybe about eight. It almost reminds"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "me of like respawning being like they're"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "planting seeds."}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "Look at the reaction here. 100%"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "legitimate footage coming in from the"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "NASA cam. A moose cam. People looking"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "for moose. Go figure. And then he find"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "UFOs. Insane."}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:45", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "Colombia, a hot spot for UFOs lately."}, {"start": "01:21:01", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "And uh we're going to get a close-up"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "look at this one. And uh let me tell"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "you, I don't know about what's going on"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "in that country, but it's just it's"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "coming in on a daily basis. Look at the"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "geometric shapes on this. It's almost"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "looks like a triangle"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "uh sitting on top of another triangle. I"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "don't know, man. Like a two pyramids"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "connected. Brent, wow, what a great"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "closeup right there."}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "Yeah, Columbia is just it's just off the"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "hook. And they they're coming in all"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:32", "text": "shapes and sizes. This one's very unique"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "from the other ones we've been"}, {"start": "01:21:32", "end": "01:21:37", "text": "showcasing this past month. And right at"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "the top, it has this very bright kind of"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "like you said, like a pyramidal shape"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:45", "text": "kind of tucked in underneath another"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:47", "text": "pyramid. And then he got these other"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "kind of different kind of colors almost"}, {"start": "01:21:47", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "this pinkish color and right in the"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "middle. But take a look at this."}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:14", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "Right. What the heck is going on? We're"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "going to get a close look at this"}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "anomalous object just hanging in the"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "sky. What are we looking at? It's almost"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "unescribable. We kind of see some kind"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "of like port hole. It releases"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "something. It takes off from the main"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "object down there and then this thing"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "just kind of ducks behind this building."}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "H I'm not sure about this one. Brent,"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "what do you make of it? Yeah, but like"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "this one's a little sus, but I don't"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:03", "text": "know. We wanted to share it. People gave"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "us this in our Gmail today and they"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "asked us, \"What do you think?\" Third"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "phase. I don't know. We're looking at"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "something anchored up there in the sky"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "and it looks like something metallic."}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "You could see something kind of flashing"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "there and then this things kind of"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "detaches and then boom, just kind of"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "shoots up to the sky. I don't know. I"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "don't think this is AI, but this could"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "be maybe a little mix of CGI. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "sure, but it's looking fairly legit."}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "Whoever did this is doing a good job. Or"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "actually, this is a real deal."}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "You know, when I looked at this a little"}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:39", "text": "closer, that part where it takes off is"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "definitely a little sus. But then again,"}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "uh, man, it everything seems to match"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "up, too. Let's look at this one more"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "time. It just looks like there's like a"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "port hole window, some flashing of"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "light, then this object kind of like"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "just detaches itself, climbs around the"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "top portion of the craft, and then just"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "boom, takes off. Look at this."}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "I don't know, man. If this was a"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "creation, I don't know what they were"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "thinking. Maybe we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "something legitimate. Let's get to"}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "another video coming into third phase of"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "moon. Guys, watch very closely."}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:28", "text": ">> All right, this video just lasts for a"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:29", "text": "few moments, but we're going to look at"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "this. Uh we're going to get some"}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "close-ups of what looks to be a massive"}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:37", "text": "ship just hovering in this clouds. We"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "have this bird flying by. I think uh"}, {"start": "01:24:37", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "we're looking at legitimate footage. But"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "man, if this is a craft up there, it's"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "massive. Brent."}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "Wow. Look at that. It looks like a"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:53", "text": "mother ship trying to again cloak itself"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:55", "text": "in the clouds. This whole month has been"}, {"start": "01:24:53", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "we just been inundated with all sorts of"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "videos of these massive crafts that seem"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "to be hiding within the clouds"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "themselves as using as kind of a"}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:07", "text": "camouflage. But when we look at this"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:10", "text": "video, we're seeing an array of lights"}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:17", "text": "that kind of create a whole cylindrical"}, {"start": "01:25:10", "end": "01:25:17", "text": "disc. Is this a UFO? A flying saucer?"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:21", "text": "Looks like a city in the clouds, brand"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "similar to the Empire Strikes Back, the"}, {"start": "01:25:21", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "cloud city spaceship where Lando"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "Caresian was the caretaker of that"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:32", "text": "craft. And we're looking at something"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:34", "text": "once again, it's totally unexplained."}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "Some people might say this is uh kind of"}, {"start": "01:25:34", "end": "01:25:39", "text": "maybe a reflection or a chandelier"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "reflected onto some kind of glass, but"}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:46", "text": "this looks like it's shot outdoors. I'm"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:46", "text": "not seeing any glass or window here."}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:57", "text": "Let me pull this up. Get a close look"}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "here and see if we can make out some"}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "structure. Super super closeup. Look at"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "this thing."}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "It's like a city in the sky, Brent."}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "Yeah. Look at there. Right there at the"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:13", "text": "bottom, you see another It kind of looks"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "like it's cresting, revealing the whole"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:18", "text": "shape of this craft."}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "It's kind of has this black mask under"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:23", "text": "the array of windows. All these golden"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "port holes. Look at this. This is"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "awesome."}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "Right. We wanted to do a follow-up of"}, {"start": "01:26:31", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "what happened in San Diego. We showed"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "you this video last night. This guy was"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "walking out side. He noticed this main"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:45", "text": "major unusual craft in the sky. He was"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "shooting the airplane to compare size"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:49", "text": "and whatever it was, it was the size of"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "this commercial airliner. So, we shared"}, {"start": "01:26:49", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "this video because we knew it was 100%"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "authentic. The question is what what is"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "it? That's the whole premise of"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:03", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. when we don't know what"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:05", "text": "it is. That's why we post. We post first"}, {"start": "01:27:03", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "and ask questions later. And there were"}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:10", "text": "multiple eyewitnesses uh to this craft."}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "So, we did a little bit of an"}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "investigation of what was going on in"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "San Diego because we we knew that there"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "were multiple eyewitnesses to this event"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "because whatever this craft was being"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:25", "text": "the size of a, you know, 747, we we'd"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "speculate that there'd be a lot more"}, {"start": "01:27:25", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "people that were uh catching this on"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "camera. And look, here's another angle"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:35", "text": "that just uh came into the feed moments"}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "ago of the same"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "same object."}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:48", "text": "I think this is a third angle that we"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "received from multiple sources. We were"}, {"start": "01:27:48", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "correct that uh that this was something"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "authentic. Some people are just"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "dismissing it, saying it was AI. This"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:28:01", "text": "isn't real. It It's real, people. That's"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:02", "text": "for sure. Multiple angles, broad"}, {"start": "01:28:01", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "daylight sighting. Look at the wind that"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "day. So, again, we're like, \"Okay, let's"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:11", "text": "let's do more digging here.\" So, this is"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:13", "text": "what we found. And when we could find"}, {"start": "01:28:11", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "out"}, {"start": "01:28:13", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "if these objects are something that we"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:21", "text": "can explain, we will. And in this case,"}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:23", "text": "with these multiple eyewitnesses, we"}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "wanted to get to the bottom of it"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "because uh obviously there's something"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "going on. So, we made some calls to the"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "police department, maybe the I think"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:32", "text": "Brent called even the fire department."}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:36", "text": "And then this came in. Apparently, it"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "was a US aerospace company called I"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "think Sai"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "CE"}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "recently completed a 1500 uh 15,000"}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "kilometer stratosphere test. And I guess"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "this was a successful test, but it"}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "caused some significant airport delays."}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "It's uh testing internet and messaging"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:29:01", "text": "capabilities. Uh the project was aimed"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "to provide mobile broadband coverage"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "equivalent to 500 cell phone towers for"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "future telecommunication infrastructure."}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "So there it is. Like I said, if we can"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:12", "text": "find out uh what's going on, we'll bring"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "it to you right here at Thirdphase Moon."}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "So that's the explanation for San Diego."}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "But look what's coming in today. We we"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "don't have an explanation for this."}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "Okay, look at this. It's like a highway,"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "a busy highway of UFOs up in the clouds"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:44", "text": "streaking across the horizon from one"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:46", "text": "end to the other. Pretty wild stuff"}, {"start": "01:29:44", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "here. And I'm not making any kind of"}, {"start": "01:29:46", "end": "01:29:52", "text": "projection coming from the surface. This"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "is uh illuminated from within or above"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "the clouds. Brent,"}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "wow, look at this array. This is"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "stunning footage. We're seeing an array"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "of fleet of craft from the left screen,"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "left side of the screen bank way off"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "over the forest over there and then it"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:13", "text": "does this kind of U-turn right back"}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:15", "text": "towards the camera itself."}, {"start": "01:30:13", "end": "01:30:17", "text": "Yeah, this isn't conventional. I these"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "aren't drones. I don't think it's some"}, {"start": "01:30:17", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "sort of spotlight. it. I never seen"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "anything quite like this. We do have"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "some videos that kind of look similar,"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:29", "text": "but this is coming in pretty crystal"}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:31", "text": "clear right here. And it's showcasing"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:34", "text": "some objects moving at immense speeds"}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "and taking these erratic turns. Look at"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "that bank right there."}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "You know what's getting me too, Bren, is"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "the the huge aura of light off in the"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "distance there. like there's some"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "there's the cloud layer and then you"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "have this bright light there. I don't"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:53", "text": "know if this has anything to do with it."}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "What I'm also impressed is with is that"}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "um look at the shot, the nighttime"}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:31:03", "text": "capability. Like we've been saying,"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "these iPhones, Androids, um they're just"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "getting better and better. And this"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "night shot really is amazingly clear."}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "But you notice that glow in the"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:12", "text": "background and the clouds there, Brent,"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "what do you make of that?"}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "Yeah, hard telling. Maybe it's a sun"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "setting creating that glow or it could"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:19", "text": "be some sort of ship kind of again"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "cloaked in the clouds. You never know."}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:23", "text": "But when we're looking at video like"}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "this, which we're posting right here at"}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:27", "text": "Third Phase, so you guys all can look at"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "it too, it just makes you wonder what's"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "happening around our planet."}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "What a beautiful display of lights."}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:39", "text": "Dang. If I saw this, I would definitely"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "be posting it to the internet. That's"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "for dang sure."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:49", "text": "I would assume that these things are"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "moving a few hundred miles an hour at"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "least."}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "These things are super fast."}, {"start": "01:31:59", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video."}, {"start": "01:32:00", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "Coming into third phase right now, a"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "strange atmospheric disturbance. Watch"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "this."}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "Wow. Okay, we're looking at this once"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "again and it reminds me of being out in"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "open water. Like I I went swimming once"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:37", "text": "on a expedition out 7 miles off the"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "Pacific coast off the coast of the big"}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "island of Hawaii and we were out there"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "in the deepest waters pretty much on the"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "planet and I looked straight down into"}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "the blue abyss. It was scary as all"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:50", "text": "heck. But this reminds me like we're"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "looking underwater. Brent, look at the"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "sun and these atmospheric plasmic"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "displays."}, {"start": "01:32:58", "end": "01:33:01", "text": "It's very strange. It looks like we're"}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:04", "text": "looking at something like it's like"}, {"start": "01:33:01", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "we're underwater or something, right?"}, {"start": "01:33:04", "end": "01:33:08", "text": "Yeah. I got a little info on this. This"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "guy was on top of the mountain. This was"}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "actually filmed in Spain, I think, a"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "couple weeks ago. And this was pretty"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "close around when they had their solar"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:20", "text": "eclipse happen and it created this kind"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:22", "text": "of phenomenon, which was kind of the"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "first time I've ever seen this happen"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "during or right after a an eclipse. And"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "this is maybe the effect of of something"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "that it created on the planet. Maybe had"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "a distortion inside the camera lens. I'm"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "not sure. But it's creating this kind of"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "illusion that this man saw and then he"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:45", "text": "started to film it. And look at look at"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "this. It's it's like all this morphing"}, {"start": "01:33:45", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "integrated"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "organic living substance. I don't know"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:52", "text": "what to make of this. This is wild. It's"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:54", "text": "hard to explain what we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "here. Yeah. Yeah, Brian, I want to ask,"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "did the guy see it with his own eyes or"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "did he see it after? He saw it with his"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "own eyes. Okay. So, whatever it was, it"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:04", "text": "was in the sky and I've never seen any"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "kind of like this atmospheric"}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "disturbance."}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "We believe this to be 100% legit."}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:15", "text": ">> There's a black orb"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "just hovering in the distance back"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "there. What the is that? Do you see"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "What the is that? It's moving, too."}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "It moves."}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "Like, it moves very, very slowly, but"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "you can see it move."}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "What the hell is that?"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:55", "text": "What the"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "dude? That's weird as hell. All"}, {"start": "01:34:59", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "right, let's get a closer look. What was"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:07", "text": "captured in Arizona"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:11", "text": "has been captured recently across the"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "planet of these perfectly spherical"}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "shaped craft just hovering in the sky."}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:23", "text": "Again, this is just pure"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "just pure um pure mystery right here."}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "And I I remember yesterday we shared"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:31", "text": "this incredibly strange UFO that looked"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "like like a doorway. It was this black"}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "square. Now this is this black"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "sphere just anchored in the sky, not"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "moving anywhere. It almost looks like a"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "mini black hole, right?"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "Yeah, some sort of like opening into"}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:51", "text": "space and time, you could say. And it"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:53", "text": "does. It's just pure black and it is"}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "just static right there in the sky. It's"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "not moving. It says stationary."}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "And it seems like Arizona is kind of a"}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:02", "text": "hot spot for these. I remember we're"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:04", "text": "driving through Arizona and we saw the"}, {"start": "01:36:02", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "exact same thing and we filmed it. I"}, {"start": "01:36:04", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "think it's about 3 years ago. We didn't"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:11", "text": "know what it was. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:36:08", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "the exact same thing. And look at this"}, {"start": "01:36:11", "end": "01:36:16", "text": "perfect sphere. This black sphere. I"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "don't see no tether. What's What's hold?"}, {"start": "01:36:16", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "It's not being held down and it's not"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "moving. The big question now is what is"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:24", "text": "this thing? Like you said, like it kind"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "of does look like a kind of like a mini"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:28", "text": "black hole."}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:30", "text": "You know, some people might say that"}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:32", "text": "this is some kind of maybe um"}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:35", "text": "anti-colision awareness for airplanes"}, {"start": "01:36:32", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "not to fly too uh low to the power"}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:39", "text": "lines, but I'm not seeing anything"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:41", "text": "holding this thing up. Very strange."}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "Now, let's get to this video coming in"}, {"start": "01:36:41", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "just moments ago."}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:56", "text": "At first, I thought it was something"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "celestial, but then it just came to a"}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "stop and then changes directions."}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:05", "text": "And let's get a close-up look. Like I"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:07", "text": "thought it could have been some kind of"}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "like meteorite entering our atmosphere,"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "but look at this thing. It's pure"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "energy. It's not a drone. It's not a"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "craft. It's just light, right? And look"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:20", "text": "how it just stops on a dime."}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "Boom."}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "Energy."}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:25", "text": "No drone. And then it reverses"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "directions. Come on, guys. This is"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "crazy."}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:31", "text": "Wow. That footage is whacked. Look at"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:34", "text": "this thing. When we get a closeup, you"}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "almost see like this thing"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:38", "text": "It's It's kind of like hazy. It It"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "doesn't seem like a complete object. It"}, {"start": "01:37:38", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "almost seems like you say it's a just"}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "pure energy emitting light from it,"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:48", "text": "creating kind of this soft glow. But"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "when it does that stop, that's when you"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "got it makes you scratch your head. What"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "in the world are we looking at here? Cuz"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "it's coming in fast. And I don't see no"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "like drone lights on it. This just one"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "bright color white. And look, it's kind"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "of soft and kind of pulsating at the"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "same time. Then boom, complete stop."}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": "What an amazing capture there. Now, take"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:14", "text": "a look at this. More video. We're"}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "looking at what looks to be a speedy USO"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "underwater. Take a look."}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "All"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "right, let's get a close-up look. I"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "added some brightness, contrast, zoomed"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "it up about 400%, and we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "something speeding across the water."}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "Look at it's just right above the"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:04", "text": "surface. It looks almost like a like a"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "tadpole, but it's not. And it's clocking"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "probably about 30 m an hour in my"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "opinion. This doesn't make any sense."}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "It's not even leaving a wake behind it."}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:14", "text": "It's just moving along. Is this some"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "kind of USO or like some kind of a"}, {"start": "01:39:14", "end": "01:39:19", "text": "creature print? Yeah. Look at this"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "thing. It almost looks biological. You"}, {"start": "01:39:19", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "can see that there's a tail at the end"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:25", "text": "of this thing and it stretches for quite"}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:28", "text": "some distance. I'm measuring maybe about"}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:31", "text": "24 feet. But then you look closely at"}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "right at the front edge of whatever this"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "thing is. It's rather dark. Is this"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "thing above the water or skimming right"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "on top of it? I'm not sure. But the"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "speed of this thing is incredible. And"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "it's like it's not a boat. We can rule"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:48", "text": "that out,"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:50", "text": "you know. And look how off at a distance"}, {"start": "01:39:48", "end": "01:39:53", "text": "it is. It's prox approximately about a/4"}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "mile away. So I'd imagine that this"}, {"start": "01:39:53", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "thing's about 40 feet in length here."}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "And Brent, when I'm looking at it, if"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "this were a boat, you'd see some kind of"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:10", "text": "wake uh some white wash uh coming off"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "the boat, especially at this speed. But"}, {"start": "01:40:10", "end": "01:40:15", "text": "we're not making any of that. It's"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "almost like a trans medium USO UFOs"}, {"start": "01:40:15", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "cutting through the water without even"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "leaving a wake behind it. It's"}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:24", "text": "unexplainable what we're looking at. And"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "here, let's look at this one more time."}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "Get a closeup. And with the brightness"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "contrast, it really pops. And I'm"}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "looking for awaken. I'm not seeing"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:36", "text": "anything. It's just like maybe just"}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "right above the surface or interangled"}, {"start": "01:40:36", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "within uh the water and uh the air at"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "the same time. But wow."}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:45", "text": "I did see maybe a little wake right"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "there for a moment. I'm not sure. It"}, {"start": "01:40:45", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "might be kicking off some of the water"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "and creating creating a wake and a"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "little small wave, but that was only for"}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "an instance."}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "And uh look at this thing just cruising."}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:41:01", "text": "Look at that speed."}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "Wow. What an incredible UFO starting off"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:06", "text": "right here at Third Phase Moon. Now,"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:10", "text": "let's get to more videos."}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:10", "text": ">> Illuminated orb. Wow."}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:18", "text": "Right. The video only lasted a few"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:21", "text": "moments, but we're looking at this thing"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:23", "text": "and it is pure energy. Look at as it"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "traverses in front of the clouds and"}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:29", "text": "then behind the mountain there."}, {"start": "01:41:26", "end": "01:41:31", "text": "Almost it it appears to be almost as"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "bright as the sun. It's a plasmic"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:35", "text": "cluster charge. But what do what do you"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "think? Do you think these things are hot"}, {"start": "01:41:35", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "to touch? If you're in close proximity,"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "could it affect your body? It's this"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "thing's pretty big. It's the size of"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "some of those brushes up on top of the"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "hill there. Yeah, definitely. This"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "thing, it looks like a fireball. It"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:54", "text": "looks like it's on fire and it's charged"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "with a lot of energy and it definitely I"}, {"start": "01:41:54", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "I'm thinking these things are producing"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "heat, especially when you're looking at"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "this. It looks like a ball of flame. We"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:04", "text": "ran this video through some filters. We"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:07", "text": "wanted to know if this was AI and it"}, {"start": "01:42:04", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "came it came out that there's uh no this"}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:11", "text": "is unadulterated footage right here and"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "we're looking at legitimate stuff."}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:15", "text": "People might say this is ball lightning"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "and they they might be right. We're"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "looking at the phenomenon right here."}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:22", "text": "Look at this thing. It almost you can"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "see a wake in its background like"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "atmospheric disturbance possibly a"}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:30", "text": "little bit of smoke. You see that when"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:32", "text": "we added some brightness contrast and uh"}, {"start": "01:42:30", "end": "01:42:34", "text": "it kind of changes shape a little bit"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "and but I wonder how long this lasted"}, {"start": "01:42:34", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "before it went behind the hill if it"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "just kept on going."}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "This is unbelievable footage coming in."}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "All right, let's get some more videos"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:48", "text": "coming in to third phase of moon. And uh"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:50", "text": "let me tell you, this one's crazy. Off"}, {"start": "01:42:48", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "in the distance, multiple lights just"}, {"start": "01:42:50", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "hovering in the sky."}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "All right, we're going to, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "01:43:03", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "just making out. Let's count the orbs"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "here. And again, this is off probably"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:13", "text": "about a half a mile to a mile. We got 1"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:16", "text": "2 3 4 5 6 seven individual orbs just"}, {"start": "01:43:13", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "anchored in the sky."}, {"start": "01:43:16", "end": "01:43:20", "text": "The camera iris tries to adjust. The"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:22", "text": "cameras, man, it's pushing in and out."}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "And let me tell you, these new phones"}, {"start": "01:43:22", "end": "01:43:26", "text": "are able to capture nighttime videos"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:29", "text": "really well. And I don't think these"}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "things are descending if uh descending."}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "If anything, they're slightly uh rising."}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:35", "text": "Brent."}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:37", "text": "Yeah, I'm basically ruling out that"}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:39", "text": "these are military flares. I don't see"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:42", "text": "any smoke coming from any of these orbs."}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "Definitely just we're seeing a fleet of"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:48", "text": "charged clusters. And these are the"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:51", "text": "energy balls, these spheres that are"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "making themselves seen, I keep saying,"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:57", "text": "all around the world. And here's another"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "clear example of of their appearance."}, {"start": "01:43:57", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "And look at this. They're they're just"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "hovering maybe about 70 to 80 ft above"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:10", "text": "above the skyline there and creating"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "this immense light. This is impressive."}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:13", "text": "You know, I'm trying to make out if I"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "see if this these are individual orbs or"}, {"start": "01:44:13", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "if it's one large craft. It's it's kind"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "of hard to tell here."}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "I don't know. They're they're all locked"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "in, anchored in the sky. None none of"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:30", "text": "them are uh moving away from each other."}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "Again, I'm going to rule out military"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "flares. We're not seeing any kind of"}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:36", "text": "parachutes or smoke trails coming off"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "these things. Is it one thing is the"}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "question. We're looking at one of the"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "best broad daylight sightings of a"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "flying disc. The full metal and it's not"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "blurry. You're seeing port holes. It's"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "just hovering over the road there."}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "Brett, what do you make of this? Is this"}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "uh legit? And to me, everything locks in"}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "the shadows being that this was 14, 15y"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "old video submitted exclusively to Third"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "Phase of Moon. I don't know, man. It's"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "not AI. Oh, that's for sure. We're"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "rolling that out. And look at that"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "access. It's It's rotating and it's on a"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "tilt axis. And then at the bottom of"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:14", "text": "this craft, it almost seems like it's"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "has some sort of emissions coming off of"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "it. That's weird. And they see clearly"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "that everything matches from the clouds"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "glinting off this craft. And it it's the"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "whole environment seems to match up. And"}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:31", "text": "look at that. Everything's"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "it's just super cool. Look at it rotate."}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "What is this? It kind of reminds me of"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:38", "text": "the Golf Breeze incident where you see"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:41", "text": "that pod over the ocean and then there's"}, {"start": "01:45:38", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "the the Golf Breeze incident too where"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "it's like over the road, but this is in"}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "clear clear daytime footage showing"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:52", "text": "sharp quality. Could this be a hoax? I'm"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "not sure, but it's a damn good one. And"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:58", "text": "somebody pulled off uh really good CGI"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "work if that's what's going on here. But"}, {"start": "01:45:58", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "in my opinion, we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:03", "text": "something. It's a real object. This"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "isn't CGI. What we're looking at is"}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:08", "text": "real."}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "Now, if this were a craft suspended from"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:12", "text": "something, it would be wobbling. And"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "it's not. It's rotating on a really"}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "amazing access point. You see that tilt?"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "Um, again, it kind of reminds me of that"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:22", "text": "old military footage of what I think the"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "US Air Force was experimenting back in"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:27", "text": "the 40s or 50s, late 50s. Remember that"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:30", "text": "metallic disc? But they could barely get"}, {"start": "01:46:27", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "it off the ground. And that was"}, {"start": "01:46:30", "end": "01:46:36", "text": "propeller driven with props underneath"}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "it. This I'm not seeing any props. I do"}, {"start": "01:46:36", "end": "01:46:40", "text": "see like you say Brent, a little"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:42", "text": "seemingly like some kind of disturbance"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:44", "text": "in the air underneath it. But again,"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "look at the access and the pinpoint p"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "precision of this flight characteristic"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "on this thing."}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "And it looks like it could hold a I"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "don't know maybe about 10 people in it."}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "It's quite large in my uh observation of"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "this video. Right."}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "Yeah. I'm saying it's probably the size"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:06", "text": "of a little half half the size of a"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:10", "text": "school bus. Definitely could compartment"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "some people in there. And what's keeping"}, {"start": "01:47:10", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "this thing up in the sky? I like the way"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:15", "text": "it kind of just drifted up and showed a"}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:19", "text": "little bit of of the bottom of this"}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "craft, too. This is high-end technology."}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "You see those little protruding uh"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "points on the bottom? I wonder if that's"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:26", "text": "its landing gear. Um I'm not sure. But"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:29", "text": "again guys, we want to get your"}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:30", "text": "opinions. Smoking gun videos in the"}, {"start": "01:47:29", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "archive of Thirdphase. And here's"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "another one we wanted to bring up of"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "this spectacular event. Just watch."}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:30", "text": "All right, let's get a sidebyside"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "comparison. The original video to the"}, {"start": "01:49:30", "end": "01:49:36", "text": "left and I blew it up about 400% to the"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "right so we can take a closer look. at"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:41", "text": "this bright object in the sky. It almost"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:44", "text": "looks like pure energy remaining"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "anchored, not moving anywhere. And uh"}, {"start": "01:49:44", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "with this brightness contrast, you can"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "make it out that this thing, the"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "illuminosity is pretty impressive there,"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "Brent. Yeah, look at that thing. This is"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "a badass video. We're seeing this pure"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:50:00", "text": "energy. It almost shines like a star,"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "but this is in the in the daytime and"}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:04", "text": "this thing's up there in the sky. We"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:06", "text": "have this sharp point of illumination"}, {"start": "01:50:04", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "right there in the center kind of"}, {"start": "01:50:06", "end": "01:50:12", "text": "setting off these prisms of light. This"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "this glare reflection, but this this"}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:17", "text": "thing just remaining steady. It's not a"}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:19", "text": "drone. It's not a plane."}, {"start": "01:50:17", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "This is very curious. What is this?"}, {"start": "01:50:19", "end": "01:50:24", "text": "What's happening over San Diego? It's"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:26", "text": "it's been a hot spot there recently."}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "You know, I'm digging this video, Brett."}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "No means of manipulation. What we're"}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:33", "text": "looking at is 100% authentic UFO video."}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "And that's why you're here. You're"}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:37", "text": "looking for the best and the greatest."}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "And uh we're so happy that we're back"}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:42", "text": "sharing with you the latest UFOs. And"}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:45", "text": "like you said, Brandt, San Diego, for"}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:48", "text": "some reason seems to have an uptick with"}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:48", "text": "the UFO activity."}, {"start": "01:50:50", "end": "01:50:56", "text": "And again, look how smooth it's moving"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:57", "text": "from right to left. And uh left to"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "right, I mean. And uh right now we're"}, {"start": "01:50:57", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "looking at something that's like you"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:05", "text": "say, Brett, pure energy. What is it,"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "guys? It's just mindboggling what's"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "going on in our skies."}, {"start": "01:51:13", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "This guy had a pretty good smooth hand"}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:19", "text": "as well. So, this isn't shaky. This is"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "good UFO footage. Let's get to the next"}, {"start": "01:51:19", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "one right now."}, {"start": "01:52:43", "end": "01:52:48", "text": "incredible footage coming into third"}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:51", "text": "phase and what's going on at 30,000 ft."}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:53", "text": "The passenger saw these series of lights"}, {"start": "01:52:51", "end": "01:52:55", "text": "just hovering there. At first, I thought"}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:52:57", "text": "it could have been a reflection off the"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "glass within the airplane. But once you"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:02", "text": "see the enhanced a video as I add"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:04", "text": "brightness and contrast, you see the"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "clouds passing in front of these lights."}, {"start": "01:53:04", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "I count 1 2 3 4 5 six illuminated orbs."}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:16", "text": "I I'm not seeing a craft, but whatever"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "this event is, this is huge. This thing"}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:20", "text": "would have to be at least I don't know"}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:23", "text": "300 ft in length. the the series of"}, {"start": "01:53:20", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "lights from one end to the other. BR."}, {"start": "01:53:23", "end": "01:53:27", "text": "Yeah, look at that. This is wicked"}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "footage right here. We're looking at an"}, {"start": "01:53:27", "end": "01:53:31", "text": "amazing event. Like you said, captured"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "at 30,000 ft. We're looking at these"}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "charged clusters, these spherical balls"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:38", "text": "of energy. They look like they're almost"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "charged like the sun."}, {"start": "01:53:38", "end": "01:53:45", "text": "And when when you see the clouds"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "actually pass by creating a great view"}, {"start": "01:53:45", "end": "01:53:50", "text": "of reality, it shows that this is off"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "there in the distance. something there's"}, {"start": "01:53:50", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "hovering in the sky"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:58", "text": "and this is just really good. Look at"}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "that. This person really got a good shot"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "here. He has it straight dead center"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "bullseye and then he zooms in and then"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:08", "text": "he just see the phenomenon. Look at"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:08", "text": "this."}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:22", "text": "At first there were six individual orbs."}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:22", "text": "Then they multiply into seven."}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:28", "text": "And I love the way they just kind of"}, {"start": "01:54:25", "end": "01:54:32", "text": "illuminate in and out"}, {"start": "01:54:28", "end": "01:54:34", "text": "of power. And again, the these things,"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:37", "text": "there's no explanation. I'm just kind of"}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "stunned here looking at this. Look at"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:42", "text": "the two lower orbs, how they're kind of"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:42", "text": "morphing."}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:47", "text": "And then they create a seventh orb. If"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:48", "text": "you look closely here, I think it's"}, {"start": "01:54:47", "end": "01:54:50", "text": "starting up on the right there in"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "between."}, {"start": "01:54:50", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "Crazy"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "plasmic orbs in the sky captured at"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "30,000 ft. No means of manipulation, no"}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:02", "text": "AI, no CGI. We're looking at legitimate"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:05", "text": "UFO videos right here at Third Phase of"}, {"start": "01:55:02", "end": "01:55:05", "text": "Moon."}, {"start": "01:55:07", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "What a brilliant capture."}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:21", "text": "But we got the best UFO videos for you"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:21", "text": "right now. Let's just roll the next one."}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:07", "text": "Right. This one's pretty interesting."}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "And we're getting a close-up look of"}, {"start": "01:56:07", "end": "01:56:13", "text": "this object just kind of hanging in the"}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:15", "text": "sky. It didn't last for too long, but"}, {"start": "01:56:13", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "I'm not seeing anything conventional"}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:19", "text": "here. Look at this thing. It's huge. As"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "it goes behind the building, he he's"}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "kind of struggling to get the shot, but"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:26", "text": "there's there's the moon in the"}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:28", "text": "background. And look at this craft."}, {"start": "01:56:26", "end": "01:56:29", "text": "He manages to capture it. You see these"}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:31", "text": "blinking lights. It almost looks like"}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:35", "text": "the Millennium Falcon is flying over"}, {"start": "01:56:31", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "you. It's so weird."}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:39", "text": "Wow. What a great shot. Straight"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "overhead. He pulls his camera out and"}, {"start": "01:56:39", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "boom, he captures this amazing craft"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "flying directly over overhead. And you"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "do see some lights kind of blinking on"}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "and off, but like you say, like this"}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:54", "text": "does not look conventional. It's not"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "your typical airplane or a helicopter or"}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "drone. We're looking at something very"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "strange and rather large. This thing's"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "massive. And again, you got the the"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:04", "text": "reference of the moon straight straight"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:06", "text": "above there. Looks like a full moon. And"}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:08", "text": "then you almost see a red light right"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:11", "text": "straight in the middle of this object,"}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:11", "text": "too."}, {"start": "01:57:11", "end": "01:57:15", "text": "Wow. What is this?"}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:20", "text": "You know, the video lasts for"}, {"start": "01:57:18", "end": "01:57:25", "text": "approximately 12 seconds, but he managed"}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:28", "text": "to capture something extraordinary here."}, {"start": "01:57:25", "end": "01:57:31", "text": "1 2 3 4 5 6 seven individual lights. One"}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:33", "text": "individual blinking light. This craft"}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:36", "text": "is, I would say, at least maybe 1500"}, {"start": "01:57:33", "end": "01:57:39", "text": "feet in elevation and uh maybe about"}, {"start": "01:57:36", "end": "01:57:41", "text": "maybe 30 to 40 feet in length here. And"}, {"start": "01:57:39", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "I I can't make out any structure, but it"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "seems to me all the lights are"}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:48", "text": "connected. This thing's pretty big."}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "Yeah, I agree, Blake. This looks like a"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:53", "text": "solid object. It doesn't look like"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:56", "text": "separate orbs uh floating. It looks like"}, {"start": "01:57:53", "end": "01:57:58", "text": "it's connected. It's a one one piece."}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:01", "text": "Could this be something otherworldly?"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "hard telling again. They're they're not"}, {"start": "01:58:01", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "hiding anymore. This whole the past"}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:08", "text": "couple months we've been working hard"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:11", "text": "here at Third Phase and man, the videos"}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "just keep coming in and we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:58:11", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "stuff that are just it's blowing our"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:17", "text": "minds away over here, too. This is way"}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:19", "text": "better than what the government's giving"}, {"start": "01:58:17", "end": "01:58:22", "text": "us. I can guarantee you that."}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "Yeah, the trashy tranches just aren't"}, {"start": "01:58:22", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "cutting it. I would hope that they would"}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "have given us more, but at this point,"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "I'm giving up hope in the government"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:32", "text": "giving us any disclosure."}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "It's in our hands and we're looking at"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:38", "text": "something that's totally unexplained."}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "Guys, do you have any idea? Leave it in"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "the comments cuz we want to hear you and"}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "your opinions. It really matters to us,"}, {"start": "01:58:48", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "right? We'll watch it one more time"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "before we get to the next breaking news"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "UFO video just in. But again, I'm not"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "making out any manipulation. It's 100%"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:02", "text": "legitimate and it looks like it is one"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "craft. You almost see it illuminated by"}, {"start": "01:59:02", "end": "01:59:08", "text": "the moon at the first starting of the"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "video. So, this is one individual craft"}, {"start": "01:59:08", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "in my opinion and it's unexplained. Who"}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "manufactured it is my question. And"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "what's the propulsion behind it? I'm not"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "seeing any"}, {"start": "01:59:19", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "amazing stuff."}, {"start": "01:59:27", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "All right, let's pull up the next video"}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:34", "text": "coming into third third phase of moon."}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:34", "text": "Hot off the press."}, {"start": "02:00:38", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "You know, I like this one. We're going"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "to play it one more time. And look at"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "the display of multiple orbs dancing"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:52", "text": "around. One of them just divebombing up"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:54", "text": "into the cloud layer in and out of it,"}, {"start": "02:00:52", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "moving at pretty incredible speeds. Look"}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:01:01", "text": "at this thing"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:03", "text": "looping around the clouds."}, {"start": "02:01:01", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "And then we have more orbs down on the"}, {"start": "02:01:03", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "lower portion of the video."}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "They're almost like dancing up in the"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "sky, right? Wow. Like look at the flight"}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "maneuvers on these things. The"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:17", "text": "capability of these UFOs are amazing."}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:19", "text": "Look at that. It's just dive bombing"}, {"start": "02:01:17", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "right now. And it goes straight back up"}, {"start": "02:01:19", "end": "02:01:24", "text": "right into the clouds. Kind of going in"}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:27", "text": "and out of the clouds, too. This is very"}, {"start": "02:01:24", "end": "02:01:29", "text": "impressive. Look at that. The flight"}, {"start": "02:01:27", "end": "02:01:32", "text": "maneuvers, the capabilities. Look at"}, {"start": "02:01:29", "end": "02:01:35", "text": "Look at this. Again, these videos today,"}, {"start": "02:01:32", "end": "02:01:37", "text": "all these charged energy clusters, these"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:39", "text": "these balls of energy. And there's a"}, {"start": "02:01:37", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "second one right there at the bottom."}, {"start": "02:01:39", "end": "02:01:43", "text": "The It's a dual sighting right here."}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "This guy's got the best shot right here."}, {"start": "02:01:43", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "Look at this. Let's watch it one more"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:52", "text": "time. Look, look at the flight"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:52", "text": "characteristics of these things."}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:56", "text": "You know, I'm trying to look for"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "structure, Brent, and I'm not seeing"}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:02:01", "text": "any. I'm just seeing light. And uh it"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:03", "text": "almost seems like it has wings when it"}, {"start": "02:02:01", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "takes that bank right around the cloud."}, {"start": "02:02:03", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "But that's an incredible dynamic"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "maneuver right there. And then this"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "thing is just kind of like dancing"}, {"start": "02:02:10", "end": "02:02:16", "text": "around. And I'm pretty sure these things"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:16", "text": "are aware of each other."}, {"start": "02:02:19", "end": "02:02:25", "text": "But this is amazing as it drops down,"}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "takes a stop, immediate upward"}, {"start": "02:02:25", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "direction,"}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "twirls around in and out of the clouds."}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:38", "text": "Again, 100% UFO videos right here. It"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:38", "text": "doesn't get better than this."}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "Right, hit that thumbs up if you're"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "enjoying this episode. We've got a lot"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "more UFO videos. Let's roll it. Take a"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "look."}, {"start": "02:03:03", "end": "02:03:09", "text": "Holy crap. I don't know, man. These It's"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:12", "text": "just getting crazy. Look at this. A"}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:15", "text": "plasmic display of possibly an"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "underbelly of a huge craft or some kind"}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:22", "text": "of signal from something above. But look"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:24", "text": "at the size of this event. This is"}, {"start": "02:03:22", "end": "02:03:26", "text": "incredible stuff here. And if you look"}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:28", "text": "at the distance,"}, {"start": "02:03:26", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "you could say that this thing's at least"}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:35", "text": "a football field in length. And then it"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "just twirls. And as we get a closeup,"}, {"start": "02:03:35", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "I'm adding some brightness, contrast,"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "this plasmic display of energy. If I"}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "were out there in the woods and I saw"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:47", "text": "this, I would definitely film this. Post"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "it to social media and ask questions."}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:51", "text": "Shoot the videos first, ask questions"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:54", "text": "later. Right now, we're asking a big"}, {"start": "02:03:51", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "question. How is this even possible? It"}, {"start": "02:03:54", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "seems like this is just out in the"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:02", "text": "middle of the woods."}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:04", "text": "And uh I I don't see I have never seen"}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:06", "text": "anything quite like this, Brent. This is"}, {"start": "02:04:04", "end": "02:04:08", "text": "very unusual."}, {"start": "02:04:06", "end": "02:04:10", "text": "Wow. My mind is blown right now. Look at"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "this thing. People may say it looks like"}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:15", "text": "some sort of wormhole or some sort of"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:17", "text": "doorway into another dimension. It looks"}, {"start": "02:04:15", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "something out of a sci-fi movie. And"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "when you get that closeup, it's very uh"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:27", "text": "very curious. It makes you wonder what's"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:29", "text": "going on here. It looks like something"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "otherworldly. It doesn't look like one"}, {"start": "02:04:29", "end": "02:04:33", "text": "of ours. It could be some sort of"}, {"start": "02:04:31", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "cloaked spaceship, some sort of craft up"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "there, or again, some strange phenomenon"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "that's happening."}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:44", "text": "This is wild. And you actually see some"}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:46", "text": "other orbs kind of popping in and around"}, {"start": "02:04:44", "end": "02:04:49", "text": "the action that's taking place right"}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:51", "text": "there. You got this bluish kind of"}, {"start": "02:04:49", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "purplish light just going around in"}, {"start": "02:04:51", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "circles. Almost looks like a I don't"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:59", "text": "know, like a a tornado. A light tornado."}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "Could this be some kind of natural"}, {"start": "02:04:59", "end": "02:05:05", "text": "phenomenon? I'm just wondering."}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:06", "text": "Maybe like the Aurora Borealis or"}, {"start": "02:05:05", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "something like that, but I don't think"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "so. I've never seen this kind of"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:11", "text": "display. But look at that. That orb went"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:13", "text": "behind the trees. That was off at a"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:16", "text": "distance."}, {"start": "02:05:13", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "No AI either. We uh put this through,"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "asked some questions, and this is coming"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "up 100% authentic video."}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "Crazy stuff today. Let's hit the next"}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "video right now. Watch."}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:42", "text": ">> All right. This video only lasted for a"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "few moments in time. But look at this."}, {"start": "02:05:42", "end": "02:05:47", "text": "It looks like there's some kind of"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "craft. I'm zooming in just hanging up"}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:52", "text": "there remaining motionless in the night"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:54", "text": "sky. A series of lights. And in my"}, {"start": "02:05:52", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "opinion, these lights are connected to"}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "something something big."}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "The"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "All right, let's get a close-up look."}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:14", "text": "This guy's like, \"What the heck is"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:17", "text": "this?\" And uh yeah, he used some"}, {"start": "02:06:14", "end": "02:06:20", "text": "profanity. I don't blame him. It looks"}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:22", "text": "like some kind of massive smoke ring."}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "You heard a loud boom,"}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:29", "text": "but look at this thing. It seems toxic"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "in my opinion. It's just this black"}, {"start": "02:06:29", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "ring rising and uh it basically has no"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:37", "text": "business being there in my opinion."}, {"start": "02:06:34", "end": "02:06:39", "text": "Something strange is going on here. Wow."}, {"start": "02:06:37", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "Blake, take a look at that closeup."}, {"start": "02:06:39", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "Incredible. We got this black ring, this"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:48", "text": "kind of vortex, this vortices making"}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "this ring circle as it rises probably"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "about 40 feet above that building there."}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "This thing's massive. I estimate the"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:56", "text": "size of this is probably the size of a"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:58", "text": "school bus."}, {"start": "02:06:56", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "Look at how this wraps around and you"}, {"start": "02:06:58", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "can see kind of these dark black"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:05", "text": "emissions kind of kind of escaping from"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:07", "text": "this circle. This is pretty wild stuff"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:09", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:11", "text": "We see these black rings uh throughout"}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:13", "text": "the world, but this one stands out"}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:16", "text": "because it's huge. It's in broad"}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:19", "text": "daylight. We heard some boom uh going"}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "on. Is this some kind of industrial"}, {"start": "02:07:19", "end": "02:07:23", "text": "accident or something else?"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "And look at the vortices on this bright."}, {"start": "02:07:23", "end": "02:07:32", "text": "It does look like it's a tornado wrapped"}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:34", "text": "on itself in a in a circular pattern."}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:35", "text": "I'd be asking questions as well. I"}, {"start": "02:07:34", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "wonder if the police department or the"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:41", "text": "fire department were notified with"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:41", "text": "regards to this"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:47", "text": "crazy UFO videos just to get started"}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:49", "text": "right here at Third Phase. We've got a"}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "lot of them for you in this episode. So,"}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "let's roll the next one. Take a look."}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:06", "text": "All right, let's get some close-ups up"}, {"start": "02:08:04", "end": "02:08:08", "text": "on this thing here in just a moment. But"}, {"start": "02:08:06", "end": "02:08:11", "text": "whatever this thing is, it looks like a"}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:12", "text": "cross in the sky,"}, {"start": "02:08:11", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "anchored in the sky. In my opinion, this"}, {"start": "02:08:12", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "thing's not moving. And here's the"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:19", "text": "closeup. Look at this."}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "It looks metallic,"}, {"start": "02:08:19", "end": "02:08:25", "text": "rigid,"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:26", "text": "kind of like a star-shaped craft. Brent,"}, {"start": "02:08:25", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "yeah, this is wild. Somebody's driving"}, {"start": "02:08:26", "end": "02:08:30", "text": "and the passengers filming this and"}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "getting a really good shot. They only"}, {"start": "02:08:30", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "had a couple seconds to film it, but"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:36", "text": "wow, they actually got the money shot."}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "Look at this. The close-up's great. Look"}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:41", "text": "at the points on this. It It has a sharp"}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:43", "text": "point even at the top. It almost looks"}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:45", "text": "like a jack. Look at this thing. It's"}, {"start": "02:08:43", "end": "02:08:48", "text": "way off there in the distance. You"}, {"start": "02:08:45", "end": "02:08:51", "text": "almost make out structure to this thing."}, {"start": "02:08:48", "end": "02:08:53", "text": "It looks metallic. It looks heavy."}, {"start": "02:08:51", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "Now, the big question is, what is this"}, {"start": "02:08:53", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "thing? This is wild stuff right here."}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "It's off at a distance, we can't really"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "exactly tell how large it is, but with"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:06", "text": "the trees going by and the freeway, this"}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:07", "text": "thing seems to be at least a quarter of"}, {"start": "02:09:06", "end": "02:09:11", "text": "a mile away. So, I'd estimate this thing"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "to be at least 25, 30 ft in length. But"}, {"start": "02:09:11", "end": "02:09:14", "text": "then when you get a close-up look on"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "this thing, you're right, Brent. You"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:19", "text": "almost see structure like like it's some"}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:21", "text": "kind of craft. Look at this. It almost"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:24", "text": "looks like there's gun tors on there. I"}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:27", "text": "don't know. Look at the strangeness"}, {"start": "02:09:24", "end": "02:09:27", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:09:27", "end": "02:09:31", "text": "Again, just a few seconds of this"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:34", "text": "capture, but that's all you need for a"}, {"start": "02:09:31", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "UFO. And uh we got it for you right"}, {"start": "02:09:34", "end": "02:09:40", "text": "here. Broad daylight, untouched,"}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "no AI, no CGI. We're looking at"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "something 100% legitimate here."}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "Right, we've got more UFO videos for"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:55", "text": "you. So, let's roll it right now. Coming"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:55", "text": "out of San Diego. Take a look."}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:15", "text": "All"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "right, we're going to get a close-up"}, {"start": "02:11:28", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "look. At first, I thought this was a"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "balloon, but man, after looking at this"}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:36", "text": "a little closer, it doesn't have the"}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "flight characteristics"}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:42", "text": "of a balloon. This thing doesn't"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:45", "text": "oscillate or it's not wobbling in the"}, {"start": "02:11:42", "end": "02:11:50", "text": "air. It's totally kind of centered in"}, {"start": "02:11:45", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "its in its own structure."}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "Usually, if this were a balloon, it'd be"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "tumbling all over the place. This isn't"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "tumbling. It's kind of locked in its own"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:01", "text": "position. Like, it's intelligent. It's"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "on a mission. Like those spheres that"}, {"start": "02:12:01", "end": "02:12:06", "text": "we've been seeing across the planet. And"}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "this closeup is pretty incredible here,"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "Brett. Yeah. Look at this. We got the"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:12", "text": "San Diego sphere right here. This is"}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:15", "text": "awesome. Look at this thing. It's moving"}, {"start": "02:12:12", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "in a linear path from left to right. And"}, {"start": "02:12:15", "end": "02:12:20", "text": "it's this dark mass and it's perfectly"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:25", "text": "spherical. It's a little off. It's not a"}, {"start": "02:12:20", "end": "02:12:25", "text": "perfect sphere, but pretty dang close."}, {"start": "02:12:25", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "And like you said, Blake, it's not Look"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:30", "text": "at this thing. It almost came to a"}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:31", "text": "complete stop right there. And the"}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:34", "text": "person's holding it pretty good. He's"}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "getting a good shot of this thing. And"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "look at the speed it starts to pick up."}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "This is This is wild."}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "Yeah, the flight dynamics of this uh in"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "my opinion reveals to us that there's"}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "some kind of propulsion"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:58", "text": "that this is kind of unexplainable that"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:13:01", "text": "we're looking at something that could be"}, {"start": "02:12:58", "end": "02:13:03", "text": "not of this world or maybe manufactured."}, {"start": "02:13:01", "end": "02:13:04", "text": "Who knows? But it's strange. All right,"}, {"start": "02:13:03", "end": "02:13:07", "text": "more videos into third phase. Watch"}, {"start": "02:13:04", "end": "02:13:07", "text": "this."}, {"start": "02:13:20", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "All right, we're going to get some"}, {"start": "02:13:21", "end": "02:13:28", "text": "close-ups of this sighting and it looks"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "like a lit up cylindrical object, almost"}, {"start": "02:13:28", "end": "02:13:33", "text": "like a laser beam, but it's solid in its"}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:35", "text": "shape."}, {"start": "02:13:33", "end": "02:13:37", "text": "It's just strange. It's just a light"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "beam in the sky. I don't think this is"}, {"start": "02:13:37", "end": "02:13:41", "text": "Starlink in my opinion. You see it go"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:43", "text": "behind the clouds."}, {"start": "02:13:41", "end": "02:13:45", "text": "This is one craft in my opinion, right?"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:49", "text": "It it seems that it's in our atmosphere"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "too, not up in uh not up in space. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:13:49", "end": "02:13:53", "text": "usually Starlink you see separation, but"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "this thing looks like it's it's"}, {"start": "02:13:53", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "connected with the brightness and"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:59", "text": "contrast, which we're adding right here."}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:14:00", "text": "You can really see it pop as it goes"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:03", "text": "behind the clouds. This thing's"}, {"start": "02:14:00", "end": "02:14:04", "text": "illuminated with with a high intensity"}, {"start": "02:14:03", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "of light. And look at this thing just"}, {"start": "02:14:04", "end": "02:14:10", "text": "moving at this angle right there. And it"}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "passes the clouds which really"}, {"start": "02:14:10", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "represents reality. You could hear the"}, {"start": "02:14:12", "end": "02:14:16", "text": "people on the ground. This is 100%"}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:19", "text": "legitimate footage. Again, we're looking"}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:21", "text": "at something that's massive up there in"}, {"start": "02:14:19", "end": "02:14:23", "text": "the sky."}, {"start": "02:14:21", "end": "02:14:25", "text": "This is incredible stuff right here."}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "Again, the UFOs just coming in. They're"}, {"start": "02:14:25", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "they just they're not stopping and"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:34", "text": "they're not hiding anymore."}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "At first it was a little dark the video,"}, {"start": "02:14:34", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "but I added some brightness contrast as"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:40", "text": "you can see here. And you really can"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:43", "text": "make out the clouds and it's amazing on"}, {"start": "02:14:40", "end": "02:14:48", "text": "how it just passes behind it obscured at"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:51", "text": "moments, but then it shows itself"}, {"start": "02:14:48", "end": "02:14:54", "text": "a perfect light bean craft. It's just"}, {"start": "02:14:51", "end": "02:14:56", "text": "kind of unexplainable. Can if you guys"}, {"start": "02:14:54", "end": "02:14:58", "text": "got any opinions, please let us know in"}, {"start": "02:14:56", "end": "02:15:02", "text": "this live premiere. We appreciate the"}, {"start": "02:14:58", "end": "02:15:02", "text": "comments. Pretty"}, {"start": "02:15:02", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "cool stuff. Now, let's get to the next"}, {"start": "02:15:04", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "video. Take a look."}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:38", "text": "All right. It's pretty hard to see, but"}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "when I enhanced it, look at this. The"}, {"start": "02:15:38", "end": "02:15:42", "text": "object dive bombs right into the ocean."}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "And then there's some kind of"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:49", "text": "disturbance there to the left there."}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:49", "text": "Like a little smoke"}, {"start": "02:15:49", "end": "02:15:54", "text": "trail. These people notice something and"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:57", "text": "then look at this thing. Comes right"}, {"start": "02:15:54", "end": "02:16:00", "text": "down and goes into the ocean. Boom."}, {"start": "02:15:57", "end": "02:16:05", "text": "Incredible USO action here. Are these"}, {"start": "02:16:00", "end": "02:16:08", "text": "transmedium craft? Look at this thing."}, {"start": "02:16:05", "end": "02:16:11", "text": "Holy moly. This is awesome footage. Look"}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:14", "text": "at that. We have two multiple orbs and"}, {"start": "02:16:11", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "this kind of smoke trail just off on the"}, {"start": "02:16:14", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "coast of the water there. And then we"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:20", "text": "got these orbs just dropping at some"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:23", "text": "rate of speed as it just disappears into"}, {"start": "02:16:20", "end": "02:16:25", "text": "the ocean. Did you see that? These are"}, {"start": "02:16:23", "end": "02:16:27", "text": "the craft that the people have been"}, {"start": "02:16:25", "end": "02:16:29", "text": "talking about and what we've been"}, {"start": "02:16:27", "end": "02:16:31", "text": "talking out about at third phase are"}, {"start": "02:16:29", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "coming from the ocean."}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:35", "text": "Absolutely, Brent. And again, are they"}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:37", "text": "distressed? Look at this thing. It's"}, {"start": "02:16:35", "end": "02:16:39", "text": "kind of like there seems to be a"}, {"start": "02:16:37", "end": "02:16:41", "text": "disturbance of smoke, but then these"}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:43", "text": "other orbs are dropping down into the"}, {"start": "02:16:41", "end": "02:16:45", "text": "ocean at a high rate of speed."}, {"start": "02:16:43", "end": "02:16:49", "text": "Incredible stuff. Now, let's get to the"}, {"start": "02:16:45", "end": "02:16:49", "text": "next video. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "Right. We want to thank Tony S for"}, {"start": "02:17:23", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "allowing us to share this video with"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "you. He says this is not a drone. He's"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "just looking for answers and right now"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "we're just analyzing it. We don't have"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:37", "text": "any answers except that this is crazy"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "stuff. And Tony, you got a really good"}, {"start": "02:17:37", "end": "02:17:41", "text": "shot. Look at this thing moving from"}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "left to right. Almost like a tadpole in"}, {"start": "02:17:41", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "the water. But we don't see any craft."}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:48", "text": "Look at the speed on that thing, Brian."}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "Wow. Look at those banking maneuvers"}, {"start": "02:17:48", "end": "02:17:54", "text": "there. It's just unorthodox. It's going"}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:55", "text": "left, right, up, and down behind the"}, {"start": "02:17:54", "end": "02:17:57", "text": "house there. Let's watch this video"}, {"start": "02:17:55", "end": "02:17:59", "text": "again. Thanks again, Tony, for sharing"}, {"start": "02:17:57", "end": "02:18:01", "text": "this video to us right here at Third"}, {"start": "02:17:59", "end": "02:18:04", "text": "Phase. And let's just look at the flight"}, {"start": "02:18:01", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "characteristics of this again. As it's"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:08", "text": "just hovering, it it seems kind of"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:10", "text": "mundane at this point, but when you see"}, {"start": "02:18:08", "end": "02:18:15", "text": "the action that it takes, then it leaves"}, {"start": "02:18:10", "end": "02:18:15", "text": "you scratching your head. What is this?"}, {"start": "02:18:15", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "Look at the flight characteristics of"}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "this."}, {"start": "02:18:22", "end": "02:18:27", "text": "It stops. It moves from left to right,"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:29", "text": "up and down behind the house. It it the"}, {"start": "02:18:27", "end": "02:18:32", "text": "Tony loses sight. But look at this. You"}, {"start": "02:18:29", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "see a trail of light too as well behind"}, {"start": "02:18:32", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "the craft. And it pulsates on and off."}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:41", "text": "And it's interesting when it pulsates"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "off, you don't see any craft."}, {"start": "02:18:41", "end": "02:18:46", "text": "And then it just dies bombs and makes"}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:49", "text": "these erratic maneuvers."}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:52", "text": "Almost like a life form. Totally"}, {"start": "02:18:49", "end": "02:18:52", "text": "bizarre. Here,"}, {"start": "02:18:53", "end": "02:18:58", "text": "look at this thing there. You can almost"}, {"start": "02:18:56", "end": "02:18:59", "text": "make out a shadow there. Crazy. All"}, {"start": "02:18:58", "end": "02:19:02", "text": "right, let's get to the next video."}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:02", "text": "Watch this."}, {"start": "02:20:31", "end": "02:20:34", "text": "Right, we're going to get a close-up"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "look. This was captured over the 101."}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:41", "text": "You see Los Angeles in the background of"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "what looks to be some kind of crypted or"}, {"start": "02:20:41", "end": "02:20:48", "text": "humanoid craft. It just making its way"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "ever so slowly. It pauses at times and"}, {"start": "02:20:48", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "then continues on its way. But this"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:55", "text": "thing's creepy as all heck, Brent. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:20:53", "end": "02:20:57", "text": "You remember the story of Jetpack Man"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "that was flying over Los Angeles a"}, {"start": "02:20:57", "end": "02:21:03", "text": "couple years ago? Is it back? Look at"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:05", "text": "this strange oddity right here. It's"}, {"start": "02:21:03", "end": "02:21:07", "text": "really weird. It doesn't look, you know,"}, {"start": "02:21:05", "end": "02:21:09", "text": "this isn't a drone. It doesn't have any"}, {"start": "02:21:07", "end": "02:21:13", "text": "props."}, {"start": "02:21:09", "end": "02:21:13", "text": "And look at this thing. It's wild."}, {"start": "02:21:13", "end": "02:21:19", "text": "This thing's massive, too. I'm"}, {"start": "02:21:15", "end": "02:21:20", "text": "estimating maybe about 20 20 feet."}, {"start": "02:21:19", "end": "02:21:22", "text": "Look at this thing. I don't think it's a"}, {"start": "02:21:20", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "pack of balloons or a bunch of balloons."}, {"start": "02:21:22", "end": "02:21:26", "text": "We're looking at something very strange"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:29", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:21:26", "end": "02:21:32", "text": "Yeah. Do you see like I don't know. It's"}, {"start": "02:21:29", "end": "02:21:34", "text": "Yeah, it's hanging. And the"}, {"start": "02:21:32", "end": "02:21:36", "text": "characteristic of this thing, it's not"}, {"start": "02:21:34", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "morphing at all. It's there's some"}, {"start": "02:21:36", "end": "02:21:43", "text": "structure to it. It's so totally"}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:43", "text": "strange. What a great capture."}, {"start": "02:21:43", "end": "02:21:48", "text": "Broad daylight 100% legitimate, not AI."}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:50", "text": "We're looking at something unexplained."}, {"start": "02:21:48", "end": "02:21:52", "text": "And you're in the right place for more"}, {"start": "02:21:50", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "unexplained videos. So, let's get to it."}, {"start": "02:21:52", "end": "02:21:56", "text": "Let's roll the next one right now. Hit"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:22:01", "text": "that thumbs up, everybody. We'd"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:22:01", "text": "appreciate it. Take a look."}, {"start": "02:23:15", "end": "02:23:20", "text": "All right, we're getting a close-up look"}, {"start": "02:23:17", "end": "02:23:23", "text": "on this. This UFO is just hanging there"}, {"start": "02:23:20", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "and it looks like it's"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "maybe a mother ship. Look at this pod or"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:30", "text": "another orb connect up to this craft. I"}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:34", "text": "don't think this is a delivery drone in"}, {"start": "02:23:30", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "my opinion. This This is strange, Brent."}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:39", "text": "Yeah, look. It's way off way off there"}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:40", "text": "in the distance. This thing's pretty"}, {"start": "02:23:39", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "large. I don't think it's your typical"}, {"start": "02:23:40", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "Amazon drone doing delivery deliveries"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:47", "text": "or or drop offs. This thing's something"}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:50", "text": "else. We don't see a tether, but notice"}, {"start": "02:23:47", "end": "02:23:54", "text": "the orb as it rises up to the craft"}, {"start": "02:23:50", "end": "02:23:56", "text": "there. Then it makes a connection."}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "It's like pure light this orb. And the"}, {"start": "02:23:56", "end": "02:24:03", "text": "craft up there is glinting."}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:06", "text": "Very strange video. Look at this as it"}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:11", "text": "the orb docks with the craft."}, {"start": "02:24:06", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "Bizarre footage coming into third phase."}, {"start": "02:24:11", "end": "02:24:17", "text": "Dang, it's so amazing. Let's get to the"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:17", "text": "next one."}, {"start": "02:24:18", "end": "02:24:21", "text": "foreign"}, {"start": "02:24:38", "end": "02:24:41", "text": "speech."}, {"start": "02:24:52", "end": "02:24:55", "text": "No mat."}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "No munches."}, {"start": "02:25:35", "end": "02:25:38", "text": "No munch."}, {"start": "02:26:00", "end": "02:26:04", "text": "Yeah. What's going on in Mexico? You"}, {"start": "02:26:02", "end": "02:26:06", "text": "heard the people. They pulled over, the"}, {"start": "02:26:04", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "husband and wife, and they're tripping"}, {"start": "02:26:06", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "out on this light display. At first, I"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:13", "text": "thought, is this a TR3B? But then it"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:17", "text": "kind of reminded me more of the Phoenix"}, {"start": "02:26:13", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "lights. These lights remain anchored in"}, {"start": "02:26:17", "end": "02:26:21", "text": "the sky. They're not moving. And then"}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "they start to multiply. It's so strange."}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:27", "text": "And you could hear it. The people are so"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:29", "text": "excited. 100% authentic footage. It"}, {"start": "02:26:27", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "doesn't get much better than this. This"}, {"start": "02:26:29", "end": "02:26:33", "text": "is a massive UFO sighting. Brett,"}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:36", "text": "something strange was captured at the"}, {"start": "02:26:33", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "Tucson, Arizona airport earlier this"}, {"start": "02:26:36", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "week. I promise."}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "So, we're going to get a closeup. Again,"}, {"start": "02:27:13", "end": "02:27:20", "text": "multiple shots of this craft in close"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:22", "text": "proximity to little jet airliners,"}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:24", "text": "commercial airliners, and this thing is"}, {"start": "02:27:22", "end": "02:27:26", "text": "up in the air. And let me tell you,"}, {"start": "02:27:24", "end": "02:27:28", "text": "something was captured that we can't"}, {"start": "02:27:26", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "explain. Brett, what do you make of this"}, {"start": "02:27:28", "end": "02:27:32", "text": "before we get to the next shot? Wow."}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:34", "text": "What I like is we have multiple angles"}, {"start": "02:27:32", "end": "02:27:37", "text": "of this event. Look at this charged up"}, {"start": "02:27:34", "end": "02:27:40", "text": "orb. It's it's glowing with high"}, {"start": "02:27:37", "end": "02:27:42", "text": "intensity of light. And the problem is,"}, {"start": "02:27:40", "end": "02:27:45", "text": "look at this. It's really close to"}, {"start": "02:27:42", "end": "02:27:49", "text": "aviation airliners. Almost almost"}, {"start": "02:27:45", "end": "02:27:49", "text": "dangerously close."}, {"start": "02:28:13", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "All right, we're going to slow things"}, {"start": "02:28:15", "end": "02:28:20", "text": "down, get a close look at what the heck"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:23", "text": "is going on. I'm not sure. I don't think"}, {"start": "02:28:20", "end": "02:28:25", "text": "it's a balloon. It's just it just seems"}, {"start": "02:28:23", "end": "02:28:27", "text": "that it's anchored in the sky and then"}, {"start": "02:28:25", "end": "02:28:31", "text": "it does this really cool maneuver where"}, {"start": "02:28:27", "end": "02:28:33", "text": "it just it's stationary and then begins"}, {"start": "02:28:31", "end": "02:28:35", "text": "to lower as if there's some kind of"}, {"start": "02:28:33", "end": "02:28:38", "text": "intelligent control. As we're getting a"}, {"start": "02:28:35", "end": "02:28:41", "text": "close-up look, you see a little bit of a"}, {"start": "02:28:38", "end": "02:28:43", "text": "black internal"}, {"start": "02:28:41", "end": "02:28:45", "text": "spatial part of this orb. I'm not sure"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:47", "text": "if it's it's just very strange. You also"}, {"start": "02:28:45", "end": "02:28:49", "text": "see a"}, {"start": "02:28:47", "end": "02:28:51", "text": "a little halo of blackness around it"}, {"start": "02:28:49", "end": "02:28:53", "text": "too, Brent. Yeah, look at that closeup."}, {"start": "02:28:51", "end": "02:28:56", "text": "It's actually showing quite a bit of"}, {"start": "02:28:53", "end": "02:28:58", "text": "detail. You see again this fluorescent"}, {"start": "02:28:56", "end": "02:29:00", "text": "light with this kind of hole right"}, {"start": "02:28:58", "end": "02:29:02", "text": "centered in the middle. This is awesome."}, {"start": "02:29:00", "end": "02:29:04", "text": "Let's roll this once again. This is"}, {"start": "02:29:02", "end": "02:29:06", "text": "coming in from the first shot. This"}, {"start": "02:29:04", "end": "02:29:10", "text": "thing's probably about I don't know 50"}, {"start": "02:29:06", "end": "02:29:13", "text": "60 feet 80 feet in the air. We got this"}, {"start": "02:29:10", "end": "02:29:16", "text": "uh twin engine flyby. Looks like maybe a"}, {"start": "02:29:13", "end": "02:29:19", "text": "a private jet, but then there it is. The"}, {"start": "02:29:16", "end": "02:29:22", "text": "this orb just sitting there. How close"}, {"start": "02:29:19", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "is that to the airplane?"}, {"start": "02:29:22", "end": "02:29:26", "text": "Maybe it's further than we think or"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:29", "text": "closer. It's hard to tell. We don't have"}, {"start": "02:29:26", "end": "02:29:31", "text": "as much perspective as we'd like, but I"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:34", "text": "believe that this thing isn't too far"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:36", "text": "off. I'd imagine it's probably about a"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:37", "text": "quarter of a mile away, maybe less. And"}, {"start": "02:29:36", "end": "02:29:40", "text": "there's that airplane way off in a"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:42", "text": "distance. Again, this thing, according"}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:45", "text": "to the eyewitness, was hanging around"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:46", "text": "for approximately 15 minutes and he was"}, {"start": "02:29:45", "end": "02:29:49", "text": "just like, \"Hey, I'm running out of"}, {"start": "02:29:46", "end": "02:29:50", "text": "batteries and he got the shots and uh"}, {"start": "02:29:49", "end": "02:29:53", "text": "let me tell you, we're looking at"}, {"start": "02:29:50", "end": "02:29:55", "text": "something that is still we're just kind"}, {"start": "02:29:53", "end": "02:29:57", "text": "of scratching our heads over here at"}, {"start": "02:29:55", "end": "02:30:00", "text": "Third Phase Moon. What could it be?\" And"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:02", "text": "then again, this extreme closeup"}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:04", "text": "again, it's just kind of moving slowly"}, {"start": "02:30:02", "end": "02:30:06", "text": "from left to right."}, {"start": "02:30:04", "end": "02:30:11", "text": "We're going to look at this a little"}, {"start": "02:30:06", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "closer and then it just stops. Again,"}, {"start": "02:30:11", "end": "02:30:16", "text": "the little small Piper engine airplane."}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:18", "text": "I'm not exactly sure."}, {"start": "02:30:16", "end": "02:30:20", "text": "Off in the distance. And this thing is"}, {"start": "02:30:18", "end": "02:30:23", "text": "just kind of hanging out. And look at"}, {"start": "02:30:20", "end": "02:30:26", "text": "the luminosity. Luminosity on this"}, {"start": "02:30:23", "end": "02:30:26", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:32", "text": "You know, I'm just the videos coming in"}, {"start": "02:30:30", "end": "02:30:34", "text": "over the past month and a half, two"}, {"start": "02:30:32", "end": "02:30:37", "text": "months. They're not hiding. And again,"}, {"start": "02:30:34", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "uh this is just an incredible shot. kind"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:42", "text": "of reminds me of the sighting just"}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:44", "text": "recently in Mexico and all these UFOs"}, {"start": "02:30:42", "end": "02:30:47", "text": "we've been sharing over the past few"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:49", "text": "weeks with uh UFOs close to commercial"}, {"start": "02:30:47", "end": "02:30:51", "text": "airliners within the same shot and I"}, {"start": "02:30:49", "end": "02:30:53", "text": "don't think this was caught up in a"}, {"start": "02:30:51", "end": "02:30:55", "text": "downdraft from the airplane. I think it"}, {"start": "02:30:53", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "was at a considerable distance. I'm"}, {"start": "02:30:55", "end": "02:30:59", "text": "pretty sure if this is a UFO there's no"}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:01", "text": "uh any danger to the commercial"}, {"start": "02:30:59", "end": "02:31:03", "text": "aviation."}, {"start": "02:31:01", "end": "02:31:06", "text": "Yeah, look at this slow motion right"}, {"start": "02:31:03", "end": "02:31:07", "text": "here. That's an awesome shot. Again,"}, {"start": "02:31:06", "end": "02:31:09", "text": "we're looking at the phenomenon with the"}, {"start": "02:31:07", "end": "02:31:13", "text": "commercial airliner and then the thing"}, {"start": "02:31:09", "end": "02:31:15", "text": "just slowly descends like it's under a"}, {"start": "02:31:13", "end": "02:31:17", "text": "state of control."}, {"start": "02:31:15", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "Wow. This is mind-blowing footage right"}, {"start": "02:31:17", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:31:25", "end": "02:31:28", "text": "Again, we're looking at this very"}, {"start": "02:31:26", "end": "02:31:31", "text": "closely and we're not seeing anything"}, {"start": "02:31:28", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "that's conventional about it. What's"}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:35", "text": "keeping it up in the sky? What? How is"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:38", "text": "it suspended up there is unknown to us,"}, {"start": "02:31:35", "end": "02:31:40", "text": "but it looks like this illuminated ring"}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:42", "text": "is the power source behind it if you ask"}, {"start": "02:31:40", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "me. All right, let's get to the next"}, {"start": "02:31:42", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "video. It's a third phase."}, {"start": "02:32:20", "end": "02:32:25", "text": "All right, coming out of Texas once"}, {"start": "02:32:23", "end": "02:32:29", "text": "again, more UFO videos from that region"}, {"start": "02:32:25", "end": "02:32:32", "text": "of a strange glowing"}, {"start": "02:32:29", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "UFO. It's just uh I don't know how to"}, {"start": "02:32:32", "end": "02:32:37", "text": "explain it except that it's bright and"}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:40", "text": "this thing seems that it's just pure"}, {"start": "02:32:37", "end": "02:32:42", "text": "plasmic energy and it's just very"}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:45", "text": "strange. And at one point it seems that"}, {"start": "02:32:42", "end": "02:32:49", "text": "it spits out another UFO. Let's let's"}, {"start": "02:32:45", "end": "02:32:49", "text": "keep a close eye."}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:54", "text": "Right when it comes back, look for it."}, {"start": "02:32:52", "end": "02:32:56", "text": "There it is."}, {"start": "02:32:54", "end": "02:32:59", "text": "So, this thing's a UFO in itself. It's"}, {"start": "02:32:56", "end": "02:33:01", "text": "like this plasmic blob of light and then"}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:03", "text": "it spits out another orb. We're going to"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "look at this a couple more times. Brent,"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:07", "text": "what do you make of it? Wow. This is"}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:09", "text": "This is pretty amazing. Curious video."}, {"start": "02:33:07", "end": "02:33:12", "text": "Look at this"}, {"start": "02:33:09", "end": "02:33:14", "text": "greenish blob. Like you say, it really"}, {"start": "02:33:12", "end": "02:33:16", "text": "has no real structure to it. But the"}, {"start": "02:33:14", "end": "02:33:19", "text": "amazing part about it is it's dropping"}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:21", "text": "things. It looks like a actually a"}, {"start": "02:33:19", "end": "02:33:24", "text": "double two double orbs"}, {"start": "02:33:21", "end": "02:33:26", "text": "were ejected from this craft. Look at it"}, {"start": "02:33:24", "end": "02:33:28", "text": "just hover above the trees as it's"}, {"start": "02:33:26", "end": "02:33:30", "text": "drifting from right to left there. Let's"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:32", "text": "Let's get that closeup of these orbs"}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:34", "text": "dropping. Here we go. Look for it. There"}, {"start": "02:33:32", "end": "02:33:36", "text": "it is. Oh, it could be maybe just one"}, {"start": "02:33:34", "end": "02:33:39", "text": "orb, but then it started glitching make"}, {"start": "02:33:36", "end": "02:33:41", "text": "maybe that is artifacting make making it"}, {"start": "02:33:39", "end": "02:33:43", "text": "look like two. But nonetheless, this is"}, {"start": "02:33:41", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "impressive."}, {"start": "02:33:43", "end": "02:33:47", "text": "That's right, Brandon. Look at as we get"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:51", "text": "a closeup. It almost seems that there's"}, {"start": "02:33:47", "end": "02:33:54", "text": "there's a white tip right on the"}, {"start": "02:33:51", "end": "02:33:57", "text": "the 4:35:00 position and it almost seems"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:33:59", "text": "that there's a twirl."}, {"start": "02:33:57", "end": "02:34:01", "text": "It's just like a twirling light. It's"}, {"start": "02:33:59", "end": "02:34:03", "text": "just very strange. It's hard to explain"}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:06", "text": "what we're looking at. But again, this"}, {"start": "02:34:03", "end": "02:34:08", "text": "isn't conventional. This is unknown in"}, {"start": "02:34:06", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "origin and there's no manipulation."}, {"start": "02:34:08", "end": "02:34:14", "text": "We're looking at 100% legitimate footage"}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "here. And again, maybe it's shooting out"}, {"start": "02:34:14", "end": "02:34:19", "text": "another UFO. Wow. Incredible stuff. Now,"}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:24", "text": "let's get to the next one coming out of"}, {"start": "02:34:19", "end": "02:34:24", "text": "Argentina. Watch this."}, {"start": "02:35:09", "end": "02:35:14", "text": "and take a look at what is being"}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:16", "text": "captured. Again, they're not hiding"}, {"start": "02:35:14", "end": "02:35:19", "text": "anymore. As Brent says, this is uh"}, {"start": "02:35:16", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "there's a massive UFO"}, {"start": "02:35:19", "end": "02:35:23", "text": "flap going around the world right now."}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:25", "text": "It's not just in the United States,"}, {"start": "02:35:23", "end": "02:35:28", "text": "Mexico, it's across our planet in"}, {"start": "02:35:25", "end": "02:35:31", "text": "multiple countries all at the same time."}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:33", "text": "What an exciting uh time to be in."}, {"start": "02:35:31", "end": "02:35:35", "text": "Brent, what do you make of all this?"}, {"start": "02:35:33", "end": "02:35:37", "text": "Yeah, this is interesting. We do have an"}, {"start": "02:35:35", "end": "02:35:39", "text": "influx of UFOs that just keep coming in."}, {"start": "02:35:37", "end": "02:35:41", "text": "And there's there's an interesting story"}, {"start": "02:35:39", "end": "02:35:44", "text": "about this. There was apparently a big"}, {"start": "02:35:41", "end": "02:35:46", "text": "power outage over there in Buenosis, and"}, {"start": "02:35:44", "end": "02:35:47", "text": "we're seeing it right here. Some video"}, {"start": "02:35:46", "end": "02:35:49", "text": "that was captured by people on the"}, {"start": "02:35:47", "end": "02:35:52", "text": "ground. Look at that. up there in the"}, {"start": "02:35:49", "end": "02:35:54", "text": "clouds, you see something pulsating with"}, {"start": "02:35:52", "end": "02:35:56", "text": "this energy within the cloud itself. I"}, {"start": "02:35:54", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "don't think this is something being"}, {"start": "02:35:56", "end": "02:36:01", "text": "projected up. I think there's something"}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:03", "text": "actually up there and the clouds maybe"}, {"start": "02:36:01", "end": "02:36:06", "text": "trying to camouflage itself. But again,"}, {"start": "02:36:03", "end": "02:36:08", "text": "three different angles and the event was"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:09", "text": "mass. There's a lot of people that pull"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:12", "text": "their cameras out and captured this"}, {"start": "02:36:09", "end": "02:36:15", "text": "strange phenomenon during this blackout."}, {"start": "02:36:12", "end": "02:36:17", "text": "Look at this shot."}, {"start": "02:36:15", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "Yeah. I'm not sure if this is some kind"}, {"start": "02:36:17", "end": "02:36:22", "text": "of holographic projection. Maybe project"}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:23", "text": "blue beam. Maybe it's all propaganda and"}, {"start": "02:36:22", "end": "02:36:25", "text": "they're doing the false flag alien"}, {"start": "02:36:23", "end": "02:36:28", "text": "invasion. I don't know, man. But"}, {"start": "02:36:25", "end": "02:36:30", "text": "something I could feel is happening and"}, {"start": "02:36:28", "end": "02:36:32", "text": "it's on an uprise. And Brent, look at"}, {"start": "02:36:30", "end": "02:36:34", "text": "this. The the whole neighborhood blacked"}, {"start": "02:36:32", "end": "02:36:37", "text": "out and then all of a sudden these"}, {"start": "02:36:34", "end": "02:36:38", "text": "strange lights start to appear over the"}, {"start": "02:36:37", "end": "02:36:41", "text": "city."}, {"start": "02:36:38", "end": "02:36:43", "text": "Man, what is going on? It's eerie times."}, {"start": "02:36:41", "end": "02:36:45", "text": "But again, Brett, look at this. The"}, {"start": "02:36:43", "end": "02:36:47", "text": "pulsating light. I got a feeling that"}, {"start": "02:36:45", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "there was some kind of burst of"}, {"start": "02:36:47", "end": "02:36:53", "text": "electricity or electrostatic energy that"}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:55", "text": "maybe messed around with the grids over"}, {"start": "02:36:53", "end": "02:36:58", "text": "there in Argentina and shut down a"}, {"start": "02:36:55", "end": "02:37:01", "text": "massive uh massive city, Buenos Artist,"}, {"start": "02:36:58", "end": "02:37:03", "text": "and they were out of power for quite"}, {"start": "02:37:01", "end": "02:37:06", "text": "some time and and then everybody went"}, {"start": "02:37:03", "end": "02:37:08", "text": "out because they're kind of like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "02:37:06", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "it's dark in here. Let's go outside.\""}, {"start": "02:37:08", "end": "02:37:12", "text": "And then they noticed the phenomenon. A"}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:13", "text": "lot of videos coming in from there over"}, {"start": "02:37:12", "end": "02:37:16", "text": "the past few hours. We're going to keep"}, {"start": "02:37:13", "end": "02:37:18", "text": "you updated uh with regards to what's"}, {"start": "02:37:16", "end": "02:37:21", "text": "going on in Argentina because we have to"}, {"start": "02:37:18", "end": "02:37:24", "text": "follow up on this. I'm sure we're going"}, {"start": "02:37:21", "end": "02:37:27", "text": "to get flooded with emails coming into"}, {"start": "02:37:24", "end": "02:37:29", "text": "us with regards to this amazing capture."}, {"start": "02:37:27", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "Undeniable footage. Now, let's get to"}, {"start": "02:37:29", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "the next UFO right now."}, {"start": "02:37:39", "end": "02:37:42", "text": "Fore speech."}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:17", "text": "You didn't"}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:37", "text": "for a caller."}, {"start": "02:39:02", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "Right, let's get a sideby-side"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:07", "text": "comparison. the original to the left. I"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:10", "text": "blew up the one to the right about maybe"}, {"start": "02:39:07", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "300%, added some brightness, contrast in"}, {"start": "02:39:10", "end": "02:39:15", "text": "the settings, and whatever we're looking"}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:18", "text": "at, it seems to me that it's on a"}, {"start": "02:39:15", "end": "02:39:20", "text": "mission. It has intention. It's not out"}, {"start": "02:39:18", "end": "02:39:23", "text": "of control. There's a design to it. But"}, {"start": "02:39:20", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "the problem with this design, it's it's"}, {"start": "02:39:23", "end": "02:39:27", "text": "not seeing anything that is allowing"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:29", "text": "this to uh remain up in the air. It"}, {"start": "02:39:27", "end": "02:39:31", "text": "almost looks like it's a metallic uh"}, {"start": "02:39:29", "end": "02:39:34", "text": "box. Look how shiny the edges are there,"}, {"start": "02:39:31", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "Brent. Yeah, look at that. This is"}, {"start": "02:39:34", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "curious. It's a mystery what we're"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:41", "text": "looking at right here. It you may say it"}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:43", "text": "looks metallic. I almost say it could be"}, {"start": "02:39:41", "end": "02:39:45", "text": "translucent, too. It almost looks like"}, {"start": "02:39:43", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "it could see through this kind of bubble"}, {"start": "02:39:45", "end": "02:39:50", "text": "with this kind of black bottom to it"}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:52", "text": "that's connected to it. Again, we're"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:54", "text": "looking at strange"}, {"start": "02:39:52", "end": "02:39:56", "text": "strange stuff that are flying in the"}, {"start": "02:39:54", "end": "02:39:59", "text": "skies around our planet. And here's"}, {"start": "02:39:56", "end": "02:40:01", "text": "another clear example of something"}, {"start": "02:39:59", "end": "02:40:04", "text": "that's hard to explain. Look at this."}, {"start": "02:40:01", "end": "02:40:06", "text": "This is This is weird, guys. What is it?"}, {"start": "02:40:04", "end": "02:40:08", "text": "That's a big question. We want your We"}, {"start": "02:40:06", "end": "02:40:11", "text": "want to hear it in the comments. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:40:08", "end": "02:40:13", "text": "this one's a strange UFO, Brent, because"}, {"start": "02:40:11", "end": "02:40:16", "text": "at first it looked metallic and now it"}, {"start": "02:40:13", "end": "02:40:17", "text": "has this translucent"}, {"start": "02:40:16", "end": "02:40:19", "text": "glimmering effect that you could almost"}, {"start": "02:40:17", "end": "02:40:21", "text": "see through it, but the bottom portion"}, {"start": "02:40:19", "end": "02:40:23", "text": "you still make out a black mask. But"}, {"start": "02:40:21", "end": "02:40:25", "text": "this thing continued up into the air and"}, {"start": "02:40:23", "end": "02:40:27", "text": "the guy kind of lost sight of it. Look"}, {"start": "02:40:25", "end": "02:40:29", "text": "how high it got up there in a pretty uh"}, {"start": "02:40:27", "end": "02:40:32", "text": "quick amount of time over the building"}, {"start": "02:40:29", "end": "02:40:36", "text": "there. And let's watch it from the"}, {"start": "02:40:32", "end": "02:40:37", "text": "beginning again. That strangeness on how"}, {"start": "02:40:36", "end": "02:40:40", "text": "it looked metallic and then kind of"}, {"start": "02:40:37", "end": "02:40:42", "text": "morphs into"}, {"start": "02:40:40", "end": "02:40:46", "text": "into like a translucent light bulb. I"}, {"start": "02:40:42", "end": "02:40:48", "text": "don't know, man. It's just so weird. A"}, {"start": "02:40:46", "end": "02:40:51", "text": "series of lights and a black shadow up"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:53", "text": "in the clouds over the building. And"}, {"start": "02:40:51", "end": "02:40:56", "text": "when we add some brightness contrast,"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:40:58", "text": "this thing pops. What the heck are we"}, {"start": "02:40:56", "end": "02:40:59", "text": "looking at? This is incredible footage"}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:02", "text": "into third phase. Brent, what do you"}, {"start": "02:40:59", "end": "02:41:03", "text": "make of this? Wow, what a great way to"}, {"start": "02:41:02", "end": "02:41:05", "text": "start out. Look at that craft up there"}, {"start": "02:41:03", "end": "02:41:08", "text": "in the sky. We notice these green lights"}, {"start": "02:41:05", "end": "02:41:10", "text": "with this kind of black mass in between"}, {"start": "02:41:08", "end": "02:41:13", "text": "the clouds. It's kind of hidden in the"}, {"start": "02:41:10", "end": "02:41:16", "text": "layer of the clouds itself. This is"}, {"start": "02:41:13", "end": "02:41:16", "text": "fantastic footage."}, {"start": "02:41:19", "end": "02:41:23", "text": "Now, when we're looking at this thing"}, {"start": "02:41:21", "end": "02:41:25", "text": "with the brightness and contrast, in my"}, {"start": "02:41:23", "end": "02:41:28", "text": "opinion, we're looking at something"}, {"start": "02:41:25", "end": "02:41:30", "text": "massive. the size of a football field."}, {"start": "02:41:28", "end": "02:41:32", "text": "Incredible footage coming in from around"}, {"start": "02:41:30", "end": "02:41:35", "text": "the world. This thing's almost the size"}, {"start": "02:41:32", "end": "02:41:37", "text": "of a building. Look at this thing. I"}, {"start": "02:41:35", "end": "02:41:39", "text": "don't think these are just individual"}, {"start": "02:41:37", "end": "02:41:42", "text": "drones. Look at the plasmic green"}, {"start": "02:41:39", "end": "02:41:46", "text": "display coming off this craft."}, {"start": "02:41:42", "end": "02:41:48", "text": "It just seems that the world is on on"}, {"start": "02:41:46", "end": "02:41:50", "text": "edge because these UFOs, they're getting"}, {"start": "02:41:48", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "bigger. It seems they're not hiding."}, {"start": "02:41:50", "end": "02:41:55", "text": "They're being spotted across different"}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:41:58", "text": "countries. And this is nonetheless one"}, {"start": "02:41:55", "end": "02:42:00", "text": "of the most craziest videos I've seen"}, {"start": "02:41:58", "end": "02:42:02", "text": "this week, Brent. Yeah, indeed. This is"}, {"start": "02:42:00", "end": "02:42:04", "text": "again a brilliant capture. And when you"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:05", "text": "do add that brightness contrast, you see"}, {"start": "02:42:04", "end": "02:42:09", "text": "it pop. Look at that. It looks like a"}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:12", "text": "huge like blimp, but it's not a blimp."}, {"start": "02:42:09", "end": "02:42:14", "text": "This darkened kind of blimpshaped craft"}, {"start": "02:42:12", "end": "02:42:17", "text": "with these illuminated halo of green"}, {"start": "02:42:14", "end": "02:42:19", "text": "lights surrounding it. This is This is"}, {"start": "02:42:17", "end": "02:42:21", "text": "one of the best videos I've seen in a"}, {"start": "02:42:19", "end": "02:42:25", "text": "month. You're right, Blake."}, {"start": "02:42:21", "end": "02:42:27", "text": "No, it's just hard to tell. Is it maybe"}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:29", "text": "some individual lights up there or is"}, {"start": "02:42:27", "end": "02:42:31", "text": "this just a cloud and there's a hole in"}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:33", "text": "the cloud or is this some kind of"}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:37", "text": "cloaked craft and you're seeing kind of"}, {"start": "02:42:33", "end": "02:42:39", "text": "the outer perimeters of the structure"}, {"start": "02:42:37", "end": "02:42:41", "text": "with the with the green light and when"}, {"start": "02:42:39", "end": "02:42:44", "text": "that brightness contrast kicks it's"}, {"start": "02:42:41", "end": "02:42:44", "text": "interesting,"}, {"start": "02:42:46", "end": "02:42:51", "text": "right? We've got a lot of videos in this"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "episode. So, let's get to it."}, {"start": "02:42:51", "end": "02:42:57", "text": "This one's a pretty trippy one. The"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:57", "text": "family witnesses the phenomenon."}, {"start": "02:43:13", "end": "02:43:17", "text": "Love me."}, {"start": "02:43:32", "end": "02:43:36", "text": ">> You could hear it in their voices."}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:39", "text": "They're excited. Vi UFO. And uh we're"}, {"start": "02:43:36", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "getting a sidebyside comparison. The"}, {"start": "02:43:39", "end": "02:43:42", "text": "original video to the left. I blew up"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:44", "text": "the one to the right and added some"}, {"start": "02:43:42", "end": "02:43:47", "text": "brightness contrast so we could get a"}, {"start": "02:43:44", "end": "02:43:50", "text": "look at this massive event. Some kind of"}, {"start": "02:43:47", "end": "02:43:51", "text": "craft above the cloud layer. You we lose"}, {"start": "02:43:50", "end": "02:43:55", "text": "sight of it just for a second and then"}, {"start": "02:43:51", "end": "02:43:58", "text": "it reappears as it traverses across the"}, {"start": "02:43:55", "end": "02:44:00", "text": "sky. Whatever it is, this shook the"}, {"start": "02:43:58", "end": "02:44:02", "text": "family up. They're excited though at the"}, {"start": "02:44:00", "end": "02:44:05", "text": "same time, right? Yeah. Look at that"}, {"start": "02:44:02", "end": "02:44:08", "text": "display. There's something way above the"}, {"start": "02:44:05", "end": "02:44:10", "text": "clouds there almost in the stratosphere."}, {"start": "02:44:08", "end": "02:44:11", "text": "Some people may say this could be some"}, {"start": "02:44:10", "end": "02:44:14", "text": "sort of rocket launch. I'm not sure."}, {"start": "02:44:11", "end": "02:44:16", "text": "We're looking at like you say like this"}, {"start": "02:44:14", "end": "02:44:18", "text": "event that's taking place and the people"}, {"start": "02:44:16", "end": "02:44:20", "text": "on the ground are they're unaware of"}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:22", "text": "what this thing is."}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:25", "text": "Look at the speed and the velocity of"}, {"start": "02:44:22", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "this thing as it travels"}, {"start": "02:44:25", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "above that cloud layer."}, {"start": "02:44:30", "end": "02:44:36", "text": "No, it's interesting the halo effect on"}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:38", "text": "the front of this orb that's pulsating"}, {"start": "02:44:36", "end": "02:44:41", "text": "lights. It's almost like a spiral, but"}, {"start": "02:44:38", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "then it has a lights cone at the front"}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:47", "text": "edge of it, which is kind of bizarre to"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:49", "text": "me. And again, this guy, he's panning."}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:52", "text": "He got the whole shot. And the whole"}, {"start": "02:44:49", "end": "02:44:54", "text": "family is excited. I don't blame them."}, {"start": "02:44:52", "end": "02:44:56", "text": "Look at as we look at the beginning of"}, {"start": "02:44:54", "end": "02:44:59", "text": "this stage that there is this massive"}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:03", "text": "plasmic cone on front and then kind of"}, {"start": "02:44:59", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "the spiral lightning uh the underneath"}, {"start": "02:45:03", "end": "02:45:08", "text": "of it is a spiral type of plasmic"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:11", "text": "energy. Again, it's hard to tell exactly"}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:13", "text": "what it is, but it's up there 100%"}, {"start": "02:45:11", "end": "02:45:15", "text": "legitimate footage coming into third"}, {"start": "02:45:13", "end": "02:45:17", "text": "phase of moon. We're not showing AI or"}, {"start": "02:45:15", "end": "02:45:20", "text": "CGI. You're in the right place if you're"}, {"start": "02:45:17", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "looking for the authentic legit footage"}, {"start": "02:45:20", "end": "02:45:25", "text": "and we got it for you. So, let's get to"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:25", "text": "the next one. Right now,"}, {"start": "02:45:27", "end": "02:45:32", "text": "look at this."}, {"start": "02:45:29", "end": "02:45:34", "text": "Recently, we've had these massive smoke"}, {"start": "02:45:32", "end": "02:45:35", "text": "rings appear. And I think this happened"}, {"start": "02:45:34", "end": "02:45:38", "text": "in Mexico. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "02:45:35", "end": "02:45:41", "text": "something that's crazy. Look at this"}, {"start": "02:45:38", "end": "02:45:44", "text": "helicopter in comparison to size of this"}, {"start": "02:45:41", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "massive smoke ring. Brent, wow, that's"}, {"start": "02:45:44", "end": "02:45:48", "text": "incredible. Actually, it was really hard"}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:50", "text": "to notice how big this thing. But when"}, {"start": "02:45:48", "end": "02:45:53", "text": "you have the helicopter given this"}, {"start": "02:45:50", "end": "02:45:55", "text": "reference of frame on how large this"}, {"start": "02:45:53", "end": "02:45:57", "text": "smoke ring is hovering above the water"}, {"start": "02:45:55", "end": "02:46:00", "text": "over there, we're looking at something"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:02", "text": "pretty amazing here. Yeah, that"}, {"start": "02:46:00", "end": "02:46:04", "text": "helicopter seems like it's this little"}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:07", "text": "toy up there comparatively to this"}, {"start": "02:46:04", "end": "02:46:10", "text": "massive ring. Look at that."}, {"start": "02:46:07", "end": "02:46:13", "text": "Yeah, just a few days ago we shared um a"}, {"start": "02:46:10", "end": "02:46:16", "text": "similar type video in an industrial"}, {"start": "02:46:13", "end": "02:46:18", "text": "park. You heard a loud boom and but this"}, {"start": "02:46:16", "end": "02:46:20", "text": "one coming out of Brazil. And as the"}, {"start": "02:46:18", "end": "02:46:22", "text": "video pans back, you don't see any"}, {"start": "02:46:20", "end": "02:46:24", "text": "industrial"}, {"start": "02:46:22", "end": "02:46:26", "text": "buildings down there. You don't see the"}, {"start": "02:46:24", "end": "02:46:29", "text": "source of this ring. And apparently this"}, {"start": "02:46:26", "end": "02:46:31", "text": "helicopter pilot or whomever's in the"}, {"start": "02:46:29", "end": "02:46:33", "text": "helicopter, they were interested in this"}, {"start": "02:46:31", "end": "02:46:35", "text": "event. And look how close they are to"}, {"start": "02:46:33", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "this"}, {"start": "02:46:35", "end": "02:46:42", "text": "circular vort vortices, right?"}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:44", "text": "Yeah. Again, just looking at the size of"}, {"start": "02:46:42", "end": "02:46:46", "text": "this thing, it makes you wonder what"}, {"start": "02:46:44", "end": "02:46:48", "text": "created this and the helicopter. I'd"}, {"start": "02:46:46", "end": "02:46:51", "text": "sure like to see the the helicopter, the"}, {"start": "02:46:48", "end": "02:46:54", "text": "pilot's view of what he's seen within"}, {"start": "02:46:51", "end": "02:46:56", "text": "the cockpit of the helicopter itself."}, {"start": "02:46:54", "end": "02:46:59", "text": "This is an amazing shot. Is this a"}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:47:01", "text": "natural phenomenon or or something else?"}, {"start": "02:46:59", "end": "02:47:05", "text": "What created this is a big question."}, {"start": "02:47:01", "end": "02:47:05", "text": "Let's just watch this again."}, {"start": "02:47:06", "end": "02:47:10", "text": "Yeah, I zoomed it up a little bit so we"}, {"start": "02:47:08", "end": "02:47:14", "text": "could get a closer look. And again,"}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:17", "text": "we're playing the video in slow motion"}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:18", "text": "at points just to make out. Look how far"}, {"start": "02:47:17", "end": "02:47:21", "text": "this is off in the distance. I would say"}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:23", "text": "this thing's probably about I don't know"}, {"start": "02:47:21", "end": "02:47:27", "text": "once again the size of a football field."}, {"start": "02:47:23", "end": "02:47:29", "text": "This ring, this is huge. And I've never"}, {"start": "02:47:27", "end": "02:47:31", "text": "seen a helicopter in the comparison to"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:33", "text": "one of these things before. This is this"}, {"start": "02:47:31", "end": "02:47:35", "text": "is something new in my opinion with"}, {"start": "02:47:33", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "regards to smoke rings and helicopters"}, {"start": "02:47:35", "end": "02:47:41", "text": "in close proximity to each other."}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:44", "text": "Yeah, the reference right there just it"}, {"start": "02:47:41", "end": "02:47:46", "text": "like I said, it just showcases the size"}, {"start": "02:47:44", "end": "02:47:48", "text": "of this thing with the helicopter"}, {"start": "02:47:46", "end": "02:47:51", "text": "hovering right next to this massive"}, {"start": "02:47:48", "end": "02:47:52", "text": "smoke ring, this kind of vorticy."}, {"start": "02:47:51", "end": "02:47:54", "text": "I would like to see a little bit longer"}, {"start": "02:47:52", "end": "02:47:56", "text": "as this what happened with the rest of"}, {"start": "02:47:54", "end": "02:47:58", "text": "the footage, but just looking at this,"}, {"start": "02:47:56", "end": "02:48:00", "text": "we could rule out any AI or CGI. We're"}, {"start": "02:47:58", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "looking at the real deal. And again,"}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:05", "text": "this thing's it's just an amazing"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:08", "text": "capture. That's all I got to say here."}, {"start": "02:48:05", "end": "02:48:10", "text": "Yeah, super cool stuff. Now guys, we"}, {"start": "02:48:08", "end": "02:48:12", "text": "want to get your opinions. Your comments"}, {"start": "02:48:10", "end": "02:48:14", "text": "really help because we learn from you as"}, {"start": "02:48:12", "end": "02:48:17", "text": "well. We're we're not the experts on"}, {"start": "02:48:14", "end": "02:48:19", "text": "UFOs. We're the experts at getting the"}, {"start": "02:48:17", "end": "02:48:20", "text": "videos out as fast as possible. That's"}, {"start": "02:48:19", "end": "02:48:22", "text": "what we do here at Third Phase Moon."}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:25", "text": "Your opinion matters. So, let us know in"}, {"start": "02:48:22", "end": "02:48:25", "text": "the comments."}, {"start": "02:48:45", "end": "02:48:49", "text": "All right, the sky is on fire. Look at"}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:51", "text": "this thing. I'm going to get a closeup,"}, {"start": "02:48:49", "end": "02:48:54", "text": "a sidebyside comparison, and whatever"}, {"start": "02:48:51", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "was captured is quite amazing. This"}, {"start": "02:48:54", "end": "02:48:59", "text": "fiery display of the unknown. And um let"}, {"start": "02:48:57", "end": "02:49:01", "text": "me tell you, this thing seems like it's"}, {"start": "02:48:59", "end": "02:49:04", "text": "a distressed UFO. like it's on fire or"}, {"start": "02:49:01", "end": "02:49:06", "text": "something. It's pretty crazy, right?"}, {"start": "02:49:04", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "Yeah. Could this be a celestial event or"}, {"start": "02:49:06", "end": "02:49:11", "text": "is there some sort of tragedy that's"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:13", "text": "happening in the skies? I don't know. I"}, {"start": "02:49:11", "end": "02:49:16", "text": "think there's it's kind of on the"}, {"start": "02:49:13", "end": "02:49:17", "text": "playbook that we're allowed to shoot"}, {"start": "02:49:16", "end": "02:49:19", "text": "these things down, bring them down for"}, {"start": "02:49:17", "end": "02:49:22", "text": "their technology. Could this be another"}, {"start": "02:49:19", "end": "02:49:24", "text": "a shoot down event? Hard telling, but"}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:27", "text": "we're definitely seeing a streak of fire"}, {"start": "02:49:24", "end": "02:49:29", "text": "in the sky. He's panning around seeing"}, {"start": "02:49:27", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "if anybody else has seen this event. And"}, {"start": "02:49:29", "end": "02:49:32", "text": "look at the flames coming off of this"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:34", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "02:49:32", "end": "02:49:36", "text": "Yeah, I don't see any pyroex like"}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:38", "text": "connected to a drone or anything. And"}, {"start": "02:49:36", "end": "02:49:41", "text": "I'm going to rule out celestial event. I"}, {"start": "02:49:38", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "don't think this is natural. Something"}, {"start": "02:49:41", "end": "02:49:46", "text": "something's on fire up there. Guys,"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:48", "text": "what's your thoughts on this? Is it a"}, {"start": "02:49:46", "end": "02:49:51", "text": "distressed UFO? A possible shootown of"}, {"start": "02:49:48", "end": "02:49:55", "text": "one of these things?"}, {"start": "02:49:51", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "Man, that's crazy footage coming in."}, {"start": "02:49:55", "end": "02:49:59", "text": "This side byside comparison, you really"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:03", "text": "make out the energy. And I'm not seeing"}, {"start": "02:49:59", "end": "02:50:05", "text": "any craft on fire. I just see sparks and"}, {"start": "02:50:03", "end": "02:50:07", "text": "flames. That's crazy stuff. All right,"}, {"start": "02:50:05", "end": "02:50:09", "text": "let's get to the next video. Coming into"}, {"start": "02:50:07", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "third phase. We're not slowing down."}, {"start": "02:50:09", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "Let's roll it."}, {"start": "02:50:22", "end": "02:50:26", "text": "All right, let's you know, this is"}, {"start": "02:50:24", "end": "02:50:28", "text": "amazing. We we're receiving two videos"}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:30", "text": "coming out of Brazil in this episode."}, {"start": "02:50:28", "end": "02:50:33", "text": "And let's get a closeup of the the the"}, {"start": "02:50:30", "end": "02:50:34", "text": "bell, the bell, the Glock, whatever you"}, {"start": "02:50:33", "end": "02:50:37", "text": "want to call. That's what it kind of"}, {"start": "02:50:34", "end": "02:50:39", "text": "looks like to me. And look at the cap"}, {"start": "02:50:37", "end": "02:50:42", "text": "stone on top of over there. It's almost"}, {"start": "02:50:39", "end": "02:50:44", "text": "like like a bottle top, right? Yeah."}, {"start": "02:50:42", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "Look at that thing. While this person is"}, {"start": "02:50:44", "end": "02:50:48", "text": "driving on the freeway, actually catches"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:50", "text": "catches a really good shot of this"}, {"start": "02:50:48", "end": "02:50:53", "text": "thing. This thing's massive. You see"}, {"start": "02:50:50", "end": "02:50:56", "text": "this kind of nodule at the bottom,"}, {"start": "02:50:53", "end": "02:50:59", "text": "but I don't see a tether keeping this"}, {"start": "02:50:56", "end": "02:51:01", "text": "connected to the ground. It seems to be"}, {"start": "02:50:59", "end": "02:51:04", "text": "flying on its own accord. More like"}, {"start": "02:51:01", "end": "02:51:06", "text": "covering this thing static in the sky."}, {"start": "02:51:04", "end": "02:51:08", "text": "Look at it just anchored up there going"}, {"start": "02:51:06", "end": "02:51:12", "text": "behind the the power lines. This is"}, {"start": "02:51:08", "end": "02:51:13", "text": "legitimate footage. Awesome stuff. No,"}, {"start": "02:51:12", "end": "02:51:15", "text": "when we get a closeup here, Brett, look"}, {"start": "02:51:13", "end": "02:51:18", "text": "at that. It almost has patina like this"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:20", "text": "is made out of cast iron. It looks"}, {"start": "02:51:18", "end": "02:51:25", "text": "metallic and whatever it is, it seems"}, {"start": "02:51:20", "end": "02:51:28", "text": "heavy in the sky with its own rigid core"}, {"start": "02:51:25", "end": "02:51:30", "text": "to its purpose of design. It's strange"}, {"start": "02:51:28", "end": "02:51:32", "text": "what we're looking at. All right, more"}, {"start": "02:51:30", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "videos into third phase moon. Hit that"}, {"start": "02:51:32", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "thumbs up everybody. Let's roll it."}, {"start": "02:51:57", "end": "02:52:00", "text": "It's good to be back right here at"}, {"start": "02:51:58", "end": "02:52:02", "text": "Thirdphase Moon and we've got incredible"}, {"start": "02:52:00", "end": "02:52:04", "text": "videos and we're looking at something"}, {"start": "02:52:02", "end": "02:52:06", "text": "strange in the sky moving at a high rate"}, {"start": "02:52:04", "end": "02:52:08", "text": "of speed of pure energy. Look at it"}, {"start": "02:52:06", "end": "02:52:10", "text": "light up."}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:14", "text": "There's a charge cluster, two of them,"}, {"start": "02:52:10", "end": "02:52:15", "text": "and they are intense in their nature of"}, {"start": "02:52:14", "end": "02:52:18", "text": "the phenomenon. Brett, what do you make"}, {"start": "02:52:15", "end": "02:52:20", "text": "of this? Yeah. Wow. Look at this. This"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:22", "text": "is something captured about 20,000 ft."}, {"start": "02:52:20", "end": "02:52:24", "text": "And we're looking at this magnificent"}, {"start": "02:52:22", "end": "02:52:26", "text": "orb, maybe two of them, and they're"}, {"start": "02:52:24", "end": "02:52:28", "text": "bright and they're moving kind of"}, {"start": "02:52:26", "end": "02:52:31", "text": "adjacent to an air a commercial"}, {"start": "02:52:28", "end": "02:52:33", "text": "airliner. Again, this is a the wide"}, {"start": "02:52:31", "end": "02:52:35", "text": "shot. And when you get a good closeup,"}, {"start": "02:52:33", "end": "02:52:38", "text": "you see that this isn't anything"}, {"start": "02:52:35", "end": "02:52:40", "text": "commercial. This is something that we"}, {"start": "02:52:38", "end": "02:52:42", "text": "really cannot explain. It's"}, {"start": "02:52:40", "end": "02:52:44", "text": "unidentified. Look at that. As it passes"}, {"start": "02:52:42", "end": "02:52:47", "text": "the trail of the the passenger, the"}, {"start": "02:52:44", "end": "02:52:48", "text": "commercial airliner."}, {"start": "02:52:47", "end": "02:52:51", "text": "Watch this."}, {"start": "02:52:48", "end": "02:52:56", "text": ">> Hey. UFO. UFO. UFO."}, {"start": "02:52:51", "end": "02:52:56", "text": ">> UFO. UFO. UFO."}, {"start": "02:52:57", "end": "02:53:01", "text": "UFO."}, {"start": "02:52:59", "end": "02:53:03", "text": ">> Right. Just for a moment in time, this"}, {"start": "02:53:01", "end": "02:53:06", "text": "man captured something. He's like, UFO?"}, {"start": "02:53:03", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "Take a look. what was going on in India."}, {"start": "02:53:06", "end": "02:53:10", "text": "We've got the closeup and the original"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:12", "text": "video to the left. I blew it up about"}, {"start": "02:53:10", "end": "02:53:15", "text": "40% to the right. Here is the original"}, {"start": "02:53:12", "end": "02:53:17", "text": "video once again. And right now, we're"}, {"start": "02:53:15", "end": "02:53:20", "text": "not seeing any means of manipulation."}, {"start": "02:53:17", "end": "02:53:23", "text": "This is 100% UFO footage coming out of a"}, {"start": "02:53:20", "end": "02:53:25", "text": "region of India. Multiple eyewitnesses"}, {"start": "02:53:23", "end": "02:53:27", "text": "notice these lights in the sky. It"}, {"start": "02:53:25", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "almost looks like it's a triangular"}, {"start": "02:53:27", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "craft. Could this be a TR3B, Brent?"}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:36", "text": "Yeah, this is great footage. Look at"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:38", "text": "this. this UFO kind of cloak"}, {"start": "02:53:36", "end": "02:53:40", "text": "in the clouds. Look at this. We're"}, {"start": "02:53:38", "end": "02:53:43", "text": "looking at some sort of craft. It looks"}, {"start": "02:53:40", "end": "02:53:45", "text": "like it's something that's connected."}, {"start": "02:53:43", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "It's not like three floating orbs. It"}, {"start": "02:53:45", "end": "02:53:51", "text": "looks like a solid craft. They're"}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:51", "text": "floating in the clouds."}, {"start": "02:53:56", "end": "02:54:00", "text": "You know, when I added some brightness"}, {"start": "02:53:58", "end": "02:54:02", "text": "contrast, you almost make like a shadow"}, {"start": "02:54:00", "end": "02:54:06", "text": "between the three lights that this could"}, {"start": "02:54:02", "end": "02:54:08", "text": "be one solid structure hovering in the"}, {"start": "02:54:06", "end": "02:54:10", "text": "skies here. And uh right now, I'm sure"}, {"start": "02:54:08", "end": "02:54:12", "text": "there's going to be multiple videos"}, {"start": "02:54:10", "end": "02:54:14", "text": "coming out of India. It looks like this"}, {"start": "02:54:12", "end": "02:54:16", "text": "place was kind of crowded. Might have"}, {"start": "02:54:14", "end": "02:54:18", "text": "been an event going on, but what kind of"}, {"start": "02:54:16", "end": "02:54:20", "text": "event is going on in the sky is beyond"}, {"start": "02:54:18", "end": "02:54:21", "text": "us. That's why we're sharing it right"}, {"start": "02:54:20", "end": "02:54:23", "text": "here at Thirdphase. And we've got a lot"}, {"start": "02:54:21", "end": "02:54:26", "text": "of videos in this episode. So, let's get"}, {"start": "02:54:23", "end": "02:54:29", "text": "to the next one right now. I am"}, {"start": "02:54:26", "end": "02:54:32", "text": "recording a meteor"}, {"start": "02:54:29", "end": "02:54:34", "text": "falling out of the sky right now in this"}, {"start": "02:54:32", "end": "02:54:37", "text": "very moment. Doesn't look as cool right"}, {"start": "02:54:34", "end": "02:54:38", "text": "here on this camera as it does here in"}, {"start": "02:54:37", "end": "02:54:40", "text": "person, but you see that dip? Look at"}, {"start": "02:54:38", "end": "02:54:44", "text": "it. Look at it."}, {"start": "02:54:40", "end": "02:54:44", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "02:54:44", "end": "02:54:48", "text": "There is about There is that is either a"}, {"start": "02:54:47", "end": "02:54:52", "text": "ship"}, {"start": "02:54:48", "end": "02:54:55", "text": "coming from down from outer space or a"}, {"start": "02:54:52", "end": "02:54:58", "text": "meteor about to hit. I imagine a meteor"}, {"start": "02:54:55", "end": "02:55:00", "text": "would be faster, but it's trailing crazy"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:03", "text": "and it looks all slow and dramatic like"}, {"start": "02:55:00", "end": "02:55:07", "text": "it was like as if it was a movie."}, {"start": "02:55:03", "end": "02:55:07", "text": "That is the meteor, folks."}, {"start": "02:55:09", "end": "02:55:15", "text": "Or otherwise unidentified flying object."}, {"start": "02:55:13", "end": "02:55:18", "text": "It's like that's definitely not a meteor"}, {"start": "02:55:15", "end": "02:55:19", "text": "cuz it's making like a S"}, {"start": "02:55:18", "end": "02:55:23", "text": "kind of like and it's trailing some"}, {"start": "02:55:19", "end": "02:55:25", "text": "weird fiery trail behind it."}, {"start": "02:55:23", "end": "02:55:30", "text": "You see? And it just keeps making these"}, {"start": "02:55:25", "end": "02:55:30", "text": "weird odd controlled movements."}, {"start": "02:55:30", "end": "02:55:34", "text": ">> Pay attention to that light."}, {"start": "02:55:32", "end": "02:55:36", "text": ">> What the is that? And it just"}, {"start": "02:55:34", "end": "02:55:40", "text": "disappeared. It just"}, {"start": "02:55:36", "end": "02:55:41", "text": "disappeared, dude. Not AI. All right,"}, {"start": "02:55:40", "end": "02:55:43", "text": "we're going to watch this once again."}, {"start": "02:55:41", "end": "02:55:46", "text": "I'm adding some brightness contrast and"}, {"start": "02:55:43", "end": "02:55:48", "text": "I blew it up about I don't know 500% to"}, {"start": "02:55:46", "end": "02:55:50", "text": "the right. We're looking at this craft"}, {"start": "02:55:48", "end": "02:55:53", "text": "and it seems that it almost looked like"}, {"start": "02:55:50", "end": "02:55:56", "text": "a celestial object. some kind of maybe"}, {"start": "02:55:53", "end": "02:55:58", "text": "shooting star, but then the what it hap"}, {"start": "02:55:56", "end": "02:56:00", "text": "what happens next. The dynamics rules"}, {"start": "02:55:58", "end": "02:56:03", "text": "all that out. We're looking at something"}, {"start": "02:56:00", "end": "02:56:05", "text": "kind of unbelievable here, Brett. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:56:03", "end": "02:56:07", "text": "but cut this person's eye. This thing"}, {"start": "02:56:05", "end": "02:56:09", "text": "was stationary. Then at one point, it"}, {"start": "02:56:07", "end": "02:56:11", "text": "just descends straight to the ground."}, {"start": "02:56:09", "end": "02:56:14", "text": "This thing looks like it's a ball of"}, {"start": "02:56:11", "end": "02:56:15", "text": "fire. This guy's like blown his mind."}, {"start": "02:56:14", "end": "02:56:19", "text": "He's tripping out. Now look at this."}, {"start": "02:56:15", "end": "02:56:21", "text": "It's taking another angle to the left"}, {"start": "02:56:19", "end": "02:56:23", "text": "and then it just stalls again. This is"}, {"start": "02:56:21", "end": "02:56:26", "text": "incredible footage right here. What's"}, {"start": "02:56:23", "end": "02:56:26", "text": "going on?"}, {"start": "02:56:26", "end": "02:56:30", "text": "Yeah, you could barely make it out, but"}, {"start": "02:56:28", "end": "02:56:32", "text": "with the enhancements, it's still"}, {"start": "02:56:30", "end": "02:56:34", "text": "hanging in the air, suspended, not"}, {"start": "02:56:32", "end": "02:56:36", "text": "moving. At first, it was descending and"}, {"start": "02:56:34", "end": "02:56:38", "text": "then it stops, descends again, comes to"}, {"start": "02:56:36", "end": "02:56:42", "text": "a stop. And look at look at this. It's"}, {"start": "02:56:38", "end": "02:56:43", "text": "on a descent once again. Strange video"}, {"start": "02:56:42", "end": "02:56:46", "text": "right here. Now, we got more videos"}, {"start": "02:56:43", "end": "02:56:48", "text": "coming in from Chris Bledsoe. Take a"}, {"start": "02:56:46", "end": "02:56:50", "text": "look at this one. because the"}, {"start": "02:56:48", "end": "02:56:53", "text": "phenomenon."}, {"start": "02:56:50", "end": "02:56:55", "text": "But I love you all. We love you. We just"}, {"start": "02:56:53", "end": "02:56:58", "text": "want you to try to keep your heart and"}, {"start": "02:56:55", "end": "02:57:00", "text": "mind centered for everyone here because"}, {"start": "02:56:58", "end": "02:57:02", "text": "this is special"}, {"start": "02:57:00", "end": "02:57:03", "text": "right here."}, {"start": "02:57:02", "end": "02:57:05", "text": "There's another one right here. Thank"}, {"start": "02:57:03", "end": "02:57:06", "text": "you."}, {"start": "02:57:05", "end": "02:57:08", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "02:57:06", "end": "02:57:09", "text": ">> You see how you bring the crowd back"}, {"start": "02:57:08", "end": "02:57:10", "text": "together? It comes"}, {"start": "02:57:09", "end": "02:57:12", "text": ">> See how it's coming back"}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:15", "text": ">> and everybody fragments and starts."}, {"start": "02:57:12", "end": "02:57:17", "text": ">> Oh, look right here. Right here. Look at"}, {"start": "02:57:15", "end": "02:57:19", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:57:17", "end": "02:57:21", "text": "We all come together. This is what"}, {"start": "02:57:19", "end": "02:57:23", "text": "happens. Thank you so much."}, {"start": "02:57:21", "end": "02:57:25", "text": ">> My neck."}, {"start": "02:57:23", "end": "02:57:27", "text": ">> That's That's for all of you"}, {"start": "02:57:25", "end": "02:57:29", "text": "individually to see."}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:31", "text": ">> That's not just for us. That's"}, {"start": "02:57:29", "end": "02:57:34", "text": ">> September 14th,"}, {"start": "02:57:31", "end": "02:57:34", "text": ">> 2021"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:38", "text": "Bigfoot cruise."}, {"start": "02:57:36", "end": "02:57:41", "text": ">> Chris earlier this month was on an"}, {"start": "02:57:38", "end": "02:57:44", "text": "Alaskan cruise cruise ship and they were"}, {"start": "02:57:41", "end": "02:57:45", "text": "doing some summoning and this is what"}, {"start": "02:57:44", "end": "02:57:48", "text": "happened. And we're looking at it."}, {"start": "02:57:45", "end": "02:57:49", "text": "They're pointing up the green laser"}, {"start": "02:57:48", "end": "02:57:51", "text": "trying to get its attention. I don't"}, {"start": "02:57:49", "end": "02:57:54", "text": "think you need green green lasers to get"}, {"start": "02:57:51", "end": "02:57:57", "text": "UFOs uh attention. They're just uh all"}, {"start": "02:57:54", "end": "02:57:59", "text": "over the place at all the time. But I"}, {"start": "02:57:57", "end": "02:58:01", "text": "like this one, right? Yeah. Look, we're"}, {"start": "02:57:59", "end": "02:58:02", "text": "seeing a cluster of UFOs, but then"}, {"start": "02:58:01", "end": "02:58:04", "text": "they're kind of like trying to call it"}, {"start": "02:58:02", "end": "02:58:07", "text": "out and this purple thing just kind of"}, {"start": "02:58:04", "end": "02:58:09", "text": "expands and kind of pulsates and shows"}, {"start": "02:58:07", "end": "02:58:12", "text": "itself and say like, \"Hey guys, I'm"}, {"start": "02:58:09", "end": "02:58:14", "text": "here.\" And then it kind of like dims"}, {"start": "02:58:12", "end": "02:58:17", "text": "back out. Yeah, this is pretty good"}, {"start": "02:58:14", "end": "02:58:19", "text": "stuff coming in from Chris."}, {"start": "02:58:17", "end": "02:58:21", "text": "I love when they charge up like that."}, {"start": "02:58:19", "end": "02:58:23", "text": "Now, let's get to the next video. Coming"}, {"start": "02:58:21", "end": "02:58:25", "text": "into third phase. It's nonstop around"}, {"start": "02:58:23", "end": "02:58:28", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:58:25", "end": "02:58:30", "text": ">> Oh my god,"}, {"start": "02:58:28", "end": "02:58:33", "text": ">> dude. I just got a good video of that"}, {"start": "02:58:30", "end": "02:58:33", "text": "one,"}, {"start": "02:58:34", "end": "02:58:38", "text": ">> dude. What?"}, {"start": "02:58:39", "end": "02:58:44", "text": "There's one."}, {"start": "02:58:42", "end": "02:58:45", "text": "All right, more videos coming out of"}, {"start": "02:58:44", "end": "02:58:47", "text": "California. I added some brightness"}, {"start": "02:58:45", "end": "02:58:49", "text": "contrast. You could barely make out what"}, {"start": "02:58:47", "end": "02:58:51", "text": "these people were seeing. Sometimes you"}, {"start": "02:58:49", "end": "02:58:53", "text": "see things better with your naked eye,"}, {"start": "02:58:51", "end": "02:58:56", "text": "but look as I enhance it. You almost see"}, {"start": "02:58:53", "end": "02:58:59", "text": "multiple craft doing multiple things. At"}, {"start": "02:58:56", "end": "02:59:03", "text": "first over there in Menllo Park, you can"}, {"start": "02:58:59", "end": "02:59:05", "text": "kind of see two lights kind of moving in"}, {"start": "02:59:03", "end": "02:59:07", "text": "unison and then he's like, \"What the"}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:10", "text": "heck is that?\" Where we see multiple"}, {"start": "02:59:07", "end": "02:59:11", "text": "lights like it's a it's like a big craft"}, {"start": "02:59:10", "end": "02:59:15", "text": "up there. So, in my opinion, we're"}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:16", "text": "looking at two multiple UFOs. Look at"}, {"start": "02:59:15", "end": "02:59:18", "text": "this, right?"}, {"start": "02:59:16", "end": "02:59:20", "text": "Yeah, look at that. Definitely what's"}, {"start": "02:59:18", "end": "02:59:22", "text": "happening in California. It's just"}, {"start": "02:59:20", "end": "02:59:23", "text": "lighting up over here. It's pretty wild"}, {"start": "02:59:22", "end": "02:59:25", "text": "what's going on. Look at Look at these"}, {"start": "02:59:23", "end": "02:59:27", "text": "clusters of UFO. This thing's a large"}, {"start": "02:59:25", "end": "02:59:32", "text": "craft. I think it's one solid craft."}, {"start": "02:59:27", "end": "02:59:32", "text": "Now, more videos. Check this out."}, {"start": "02:59:59", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "I'm sitting here at work. I turn around,"}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "I see this thing in the sky."}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:29", "text": "All right. I love it when the truckers"}, {"start": "03:00:26", "end": "03:00:30", "text": "are on a mission. They're seeing UFOs"}, {"start": "03:00:29", "end": "03:00:32", "text": "while they're out there on the roads."}, {"start": "03:00:30", "end": "03:00:33", "text": "They spent a lot of time out there"}, {"start": "03:00:32", "end": "03:00:36", "text": "looking up in the sky while they're"}, {"start": "03:00:33", "end": "03:00:38", "text": "driving across the country. ing what"}, {"start": "03:00:36", "end": "03:00:40", "text": "this guy captured in Texas is kind of"}, {"start": "03:00:38", "end": "03:00:44", "text": "blowing us away of what looks to be some"}, {"start": "03:00:40", "end": "03:00:47", "text": "kind of spiraling UFO just twisting"}, {"start": "03:00:44", "end": "03:00:48", "text": "around up there, dancing, doing"}, {"start": "03:00:47", "end": "03:00:50", "text": "something. I don't know what it's doing,"}, {"start": "03:00:48", "end": "03:00:53", "text": "but it's doing something crazy there,"}, {"start": "03:00:50", "end": "03:00:54", "text": "Brent. Look at the dynamics of this"}, {"start": "03:00:53", "end": "03:00:56", "text": "thing. It's like a snake trying to eat"}, {"start": "03:00:54", "end": "03:00:58", "text": "its own tail, going in some sort of"}, {"start": "03:00:56", "end": "03:01:02", "text": "freakish fashion. Look at the speed of"}, {"start": "03:00:58", "end": "03:01:04", "text": "this thing doing these circles. And then"}, {"start": "03:01:02", "end": "03:01:07", "text": "this thing's like it's lit up. It almost"}, {"start": "03:01:04", "end": "03:01:07", "text": "looks biological."}, {"start": "03:01:10", "end": "03:01:15", "text": "It just doesn't make any sense. Is this"}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:17", "text": "some kind of natural"}, {"start": "03:01:15", "end": "03:01:19", "text": "atmospheric phenomenon or is this some"}, {"start": "03:01:17", "end": "03:01:22", "text": "kind of life form? Cuz if it's it is"}, {"start": "03:01:19", "end": "03:01:23", "text": "it's something that I'm unaware unaware"}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:26", "text": "of. But look at this the original video"}, {"start": "03:01:23", "end": "03:01:28", "text": "right here. And uh once again I'm going"}, {"start": "03:01:26", "end": "03:01:31", "text": "to rule out a drone there. Drones don't"}, {"start": "03:01:28", "end": "03:01:34", "text": "do this. We don't see any kind of craft."}, {"start": "03:01:31", "end": "03:01:36", "text": "We just see pure energy here. A light"}, {"start": "03:01:34", "end": "03:01:38", "text": "like you say bright a snake trying to"}, {"start": "03:01:36", "end": "03:01:40", "text": "chase its own tail or you know how cats"}, {"start": "03:01:38", "end": "03:01:42", "text": "or dogs chase their own tails. Maybe"}, {"start": "03:01:40", "end": "03:01:45", "text": "this is something going on over here"}, {"start": "03:01:42", "end": "03:01:48", "text": "like this orb is chasing itself creating"}, {"start": "03:01:45", "end": "03:01:50", "text": "the the illusion of this string going"}, {"start": "03:01:48", "end": "03:01:52", "text": "around in circles. A light string,"}, {"start": "03:01:50", "end": "03:01:55", "text": "right? Yeah. The energy you could just"}, {"start": "03:01:52", "end": "03:01:57", "text": "you see it. It's illuminated. What's"}, {"start": "03:01:55", "end": "03:02:00", "text": "keeping this charged up? And then just"}, {"start": "03:01:57", "end": "03:02:03", "text": "the speed again of this thing just"}, {"start": "03:02:00", "end": "03:02:05", "text": "wrapping itself in a circle."}, {"start": "03:02:03", "end": "03:02:06", "text": "It makes you wonder what what's its"}, {"start": "03:02:05", "end": "03:02:09", "text": "purpose? What's it what what is it"}, {"start": "03:02:06", "end": "03:02:11", "text": "trying to do? When we get the closeup,"}, {"start": "03:02:09", "end": "03:02:13", "text": "it's really mind-blowing. Let's let's"}, {"start": "03:02:11", "end": "03:02:16", "text": "get that closeup again because when you"}, {"start": "03:02:13", "end": "03:02:18", "text": "see it, you you see the dynamics of this"}, {"start": "03:02:16", "end": "03:02:19", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "03:02:18", "end": "03:02:23", "text": "Yeah, let's pull up that closeup again."}, {"start": "03:02:19", "end": "03:02:25", "text": "And uh man, it's just it's confusing"}, {"start": "03:02:23", "end": "03:02:27", "text": "because there's nothing that makes sense"}, {"start": "03:02:25", "end": "03:02:28", "text": "about this video. It almost looks like"}, {"start": "03:02:27", "end": "03:02:30", "text": "the camera's just kind of like he's"}, {"start": "03:02:28", "end": "03:02:32", "text": "turning it around in circles, so you get"}, {"start": "03:02:30", "end": "03:02:35", "text": "this illusion, but look, his hand is"}, {"start": "03:02:32", "end": "03:02:38", "text": "steady. What's not steady is this light"}, {"start": "03:02:35", "end": "03:02:40", "text": "as it's just spinning around. And once"}, {"start": "03:02:38", "end": "03:02:42", "text": "again, there's no explanation to what"}, {"start": "03:02:40", "end": "03:02:44", "text": "we're looking at. Guys, do you have any"}, {"start": "03:02:42", "end": "03:02:45", "text": "opinions? We we sure would like to hear"}, {"start": "03:02:44", "end": "03:02:48", "text": "it in this live premiere. And it's good"}, {"start": "03:02:45", "end": "03:02:51", "text": "to be with you, like I said. But man,"}, {"start": "03:02:48", "end": "03:02:53", "text": "I'm just I'm enjoying this because I"}, {"start": "03:02:51", "end": "03:02:56", "text": "don't see any craft. It's it's like a"}, {"start": "03:02:53", "end": "03:02:58", "text": "great mystery these UFOs. And I hope we"}, {"start": "03:02:56", "end": "03:03:00", "text": "get to the bottom of it bottom of it one"}, {"start": "03:02:58", "end": "03:03:02", "text": "of these days. But right now, uh man,"}, {"start": "03:03:00", "end": "03:03:05", "text": "that's why they call them UFOs. They're"}, {"start": "03:03:02", "end": "03:03:06", "text": "unidentified. And they're flying and"}, {"start": "03:03:05", "end": "03:03:09", "text": "they're objects. But maybe this one"}, {"start": "03:03:06", "end": "03:03:12", "text": "isn't an object. Maybe it's just energy."}, {"start": "03:03:09", "end": "03:03:14", "text": "Maybe it's a UF. I don't know, man. All"}, {"start": "03:03:12", "end": "03:03:17", "text": "right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "03:03:14", "end": "03:03:17", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "03:03:25", "end": "03:03:28", "text": "All right, I'm going to throw some slow"}, {"start": "03:03:27", "end": "03:03:32", "text": "motion on this and we're going to get"}, {"start": "03:03:28", "end": "03:03:35", "text": "some close-ups. Look how"}, {"start": "03:03:32", "end": "03:03:37", "text": "incredibly close this helicopter gets to"}, {"start": "03:03:35", "end": "03:03:40", "text": "this orb or the orb is getting"}, {"start": "03:03:37", "end": "03:03:41", "text": "incredibly close to those blades. You"}, {"start": "03:03:40", "end": "03:03:44", "text": "You don't want to get mixed up with"}, {"start": "03:03:41", "end": "03:03:46", "text": "that. It almost looks metallic this"}, {"start": "03:03:44", "end": "03:03:50", "text": "thing. And it's just really close. If"}, {"start": "03:03:46", "end": "03:03:52", "text": "this were a balloon, the roto rash would"}, {"start": "03:03:50", "end": "03:03:53", "text": "of, you know, blew it away no problem."}, {"start": "03:03:52", "end": "03:03:56", "text": "But this thing seems that it's"}, {"start": "03:03:53", "end": "03:03:58", "text": "consistent in its flight pattern. Like"}, {"start": "03:03:56", "end": "03:04:03", "text": "there's intelligence. There's a rigid"}, {"start": "03:03:58", "end": "03:04:05", "text": "core of energy holding this steel or"}, {"start": "03:04:03", "end": "03:04:07", "text": "metallic sphere up in the sky. Brian."}, {"start": "03:04:05", "end": "03:04:09", "text": "Yeah. The person filming this was"}, {"start": "03:04:07", "end": "03:04:10", "text": "actually driving. He was stuck in"}, {"start": "03:04:09", "end": "03:04:12", "text": "traffic. He looked up. He saw the"}, {"start": "03:04:10", "end": "03:04:14", "text": "helicopter. Started filming. Then"}, {"start": "03:04:12", "end": "03:04:16", "text": "noticed this orb. He only had a short"}, {"start": "03:04:14", "end": "03:04:18", "text": "time to film it, but there you go. He's"}, {"start": "03:04:16", "end": "03:04:21", "text": "got it. And we're seeing it clear as"}, {"start": "03:04:18", "end": "03:04:23", "text": "day. This this spherical orb. It almost"}, {"start": "03:04:21", "end": "03:04:25", "text": "looks like the size of a basketball, but"}, {"start": "03:04:23", "end": "03:04:27", "text": "like you said, Blake, the rotor watch"}, {"start": "03:04:25", "end": "03:04:29", "text": "isn't hitting this. It's It's not moving"}, {"start": "03:04:27", "end": "03:04:32", "text": "it. It seems like this thing's locked in"}, {"start": "03:04:29", "end": "03:04:34", "text": "the sky under its own control. This is"}, {"start": "03:04:32", "end": "03:04:36", "text": "some amazing footage right here, man."}, {"start": "03:04:34", "end": "03:04:38", "text": "And it's like a blockbuster movie and"}, {"start": "03:04:36", "end": "03:04:39", "text": "you're just sitting there in traffic and"}, {"start": "03:04:38", "end": "03:04:43", "text": "this helicopter is hovering over you and"}, {"start": "03:04:39", "end": "03:04:46", "text": "then boom, you notice this strange"}, {"start": "03:04:43", "end": "03:04:48", "text": "sphere just hanging incredibly close."}, {"start": "03:04:46", "end": "03:04:51", "text": "Look at the I'm sure the pilot is"}, {"start": "03:04:48", "end": "03:04:53", "text": "basically only no more than 30 ft from"}, {"start": "03:04:51", "end": "03:04:55", "text": "this at the most. He's getting a really"}, {"start": "03:04:53", "end": "03:04:57", "text": "good look. He's probably like, \"Dang,"}, {"start": "03:04:55", "end": "03:05:00", "text": "this thing wants to do a Mexican"}, {"start": "03:04:57", "end": "03:05:04", "text": "standoff or something or some kind of,"}, {"start": "03:05:00", "end": "03:05:07", "text": "you know, showdown. This is crazy."}, {"start": "03:05:04", "end": "03:05:11", "text": "Once again, let's play it in real time"}, {"start": "03:05:07", "end": "03:05:13", "text": "here. And like I said, I haven't seen"}, {"start": "03:05:11", "end": "03:05:15", "text": "such clarity before. Usually, this"}, {"start": "03:05:13", "end": "03:05:18", "text": "happens off at a distance when you see"}, {"start": "03:05:15", "end": "03:05:19", "text": "helicopters and UFOs, but like I said,"}, {"start": "03:05:18", "end": "03:05:22", "text": "this pilot's getting a front row seat"}, {"start": "03:05:19", "end": "03:05:24", "text": "here, Brian. Yeah, that's for sure. What"}, {"start": "03:05:22", "end": "03:05:27", "text": "a show right here. Great slow-mo. And"}, {"start": "03:05:24", "end": "03:05:29", "text": "this helicopter is just dead on. It's"}, {"start": "03:05:27", "end": "03:05:31", "text": "hard to tell. Maybe this orbs a little"}, {"start": "03:05:29", "end": "03:05:33", "text": "farther up from the helicopter itself."}, {"start": "03:05:31", "end": "03:05:35", "text": "I'm not sure. But again, fantastic"}, {"start": "03:05:33", "end": "03:05:37", "text": "footage coming into third phase. That's"}, {"start": "03:05:35", "end": "03:05:40", "text": "right, Brent. Now, we've got more"}, {"start": "03:05:37", "end": "03:05:41", "text": "footage. Take a look at this incredible"}, {"start": "03:05:40", "end": "03:05:43", "text": "sighting."}, {"start": "03:05:41", "end": "03:05:45", "text": ">> One of the strangest experiments in"}, {"start": "03:05:43", "end": "03:05:48", "text": "history suggests we could be living in a"}, {"start": "03:05:45", "end": "03:05:48", "text": "simulation."}, {"start": "03:06:09", "end": "03:06:13", "text": "All right, this video is coming out of"}, {"start": "03:06:11", "end": "03:06:16", "text": "Chile in a mountainous region of that"}, {"start": "03:06:13", "end": "03:06:20", "text": "country of what looks to be a fleet of"}, {"start": "03:06:16", "end": "03:06:22", "text": "UFOs appearing in and out of existence."}, {"start": "03:06:20", "end": "03:06:24", "text": "They were it looked like they were"}, {"start": "03:06:22", "end": "03:06:27", "text": "traveling, but then they just kind of"}, {"start": "03:06:24", "end": "03:06:29", "text": "come to a halt in the sky. multiple"}, {"start": "03:06:27", "end": "03:06:32", "text": "objects. I count three, but then earlier"}, {"start": "03:06:29", "end": "03:06:34", "text": "there was there was more than that. So,"}, {"start": "03:06:32", "end": "03:06:36", "text": "this is very strange. And look at this"}, {"start": "03:06:34", "end": "03:06:38", "text": "one. It starts to pop up near the"}, {"start": "03:06:36", "end": "03:06:40", "text": "bottom. The video lasts for only a"}, {"start": "03:06:38", "end": "03:06:44", "text": "certain amount of time, but look at"}, {"start": "03:06:40", "end": "03:06:45", "text": "this. Brent, what do you make of it?"}, {"start": "03:06:44", "end": "03:06:47", "text": "Yeah, it's pretty cool. You see like"}, {"start": "03:06:45", "end": "03:06:50", "text": "these two bright orbs and then you see"}, {"start": "03:06:47", "end": "03:06:53", "text": "these other orbs kind of flaking it up"}, {"start": "03:06:50", "end": "03:06:54", "text": "to the top top of the screen. And like"}, {"start": "03:06:53", "end": "03:06:57", "text": "you said, like these objects just come"}, {"start": "03:06:54", "end": "03:06:59", "text": "to a complete stop, hovering over the"}, {"start": "03:06:57", "end": "03:07:03", "text": "mountainous region of Chile right there."}, {"start": "03:06:59", "end": "03:07:04", "text": "Then it seems to kind of produce another"}, {"start": "03:07:03", "end": "03:07:06", "text": "UFO right there at the bottom. Did he"}, {"start": "03:07:04", "end": "03:07:08", "text": "see that?"}, {"start": "03:07:06", "end": "03:07:09", "text": "I like this one, too. Right at the"}, {"start": "03:07:08", "end": "03:07:11", "text": "beginning. Look at these charge"}, {"start": "03:07:09", "end": "03:07:13", "text": "clusters."}, {"start": "03:07:11", "end": "03:07:17", "text": "Amazing stuff coming into third phase"}, {"start": "03:07:13", "end": "03:07:17", "text": "moon with multiple objects."}, {"start": "03:07:17", "end": "03:07:22", "text": "I wonder I wonder if this place is a"}, {"start": "03:07:20", "end": "03:07:25", "text": "sacred area. It just looks like a"}, {"start": "03:07:22", "end": "03:07:27", "text": "perfect place for UFO activity. I bet"}, {"start": "03:07:25", "end": "03:07:29", "text": "you this mountain is a hot spot for"}, {"start": "03:07:27", "end": "03:07:33", "text": "UFOs. All right, let's get to the next"}, {"start": "03:07:29", "end": "03:07:33", "text": "video coming into third phase."}, {"start": "03:07:54", "end": "03:07:59", "text": "All right, this is captured in Japan."}, {"start": "03:07:56", "end": "03:08:01", "text": "The guy's on a train and they notice"}, {"start": "03:07:59", "end": "03:08:03", "text": "something crazy just for a few moments"}, {"start": "03:08:01", "end": "03:08:05", "text": "of time. I'm adding some brightness"}, {"start": "03:08:03", "end": "03:08:07", "text": "contrast of an unknown object just kind"}, {"start": "03:08:05", "end": "03:08:10", "text": "of hanging there and disappears out of"}, {"start": "03:08:07", "end": "03:08:12", "text": "sight. Uh just enough time to capture"}, {"start": "03:08:10", "end": "03:08:14", "text": "something incredible, Brent. Yeah, look"}, {"start": "03:08:12", "end": "03:08:16", "text": "at that. Way up there. And this thing's"}, {"start": "03:08:14", "end": "03:08:18", "text": "massive. It almost looks like a star"}, {"start": "03:08:16", "end": "03:08:20", "text": "destroyer again. Here's another shot. I"}, {"start": "03:08:18", "end": "03:08:22", "text": "think he's filming his screen because"}, {"start": "03:08:20", "end": "03:08:24", "text": "here he only had a short opportunity to"}, {"start": "03:08:22", "end": "03:08:25", "text": "film it and then other people on the"}, {"start": "03:08:24", "end": "03:08:27", "text": "train were filming it. They're like,"}, {"start": "03:08:25", "end": "03:08:29", "text": "\"Can I film your phone?\" And then this"}, {"start": "03:08:27", "end": "03:08:31", "text": "is what they're getting. But look at"}, {"start": "03:08:29", "end": "03:08:34", "text": "that. We see the craft. It's identical."}, {"start": "03:08:31", "end": "03:08:36", "text": "It's the same craft. And this thing's"}, {"start": "03:08:34", "end": "03:08:41", "text": "massive. It almost looks like some sort"}, {"start": "03:08:36", "end": "03:08:41", "text": "of triangular star craft. Amazing."}, {"start": "03:08:43", "end": "03:08:48", "text": "Yeah, it looks like he's has a video"}, {"start": "03:08:45", "end": "03:08:51", "text": "uploaded into his desktop and he's"}, {"start": "03:08:48", "end": "03:08:54", "text": "filming the desktop and uh he's going"}, {"start": "03:08:51", "end": "03:08:57", "text": "over the video that he just uh captured"}, {"start": "03:08:54", "end": "03:08:59", "text": "on a little journey on a train over"}, {"start": "03:08:57", "end": "03:09:01", "text": "there in Japan. And look at this thing."}, {"start": "03:08:59", "end": "03:09:03", "text": "I don't think it's a blimp or an"}, {"start": "03:09:01", "end": "03:09:06", "text": "airplane. This is something very"}, {"start": "03:09:03", "end": "03:09:07", "text": "bizarre. Look at that craft there. It"}, {"start": "03:09:06", "end": "03:09:10", "text": "doesn't make any sense to me, Brent. It"}, {"start": "03:09:07", "end": "03:09:12", "text": "looks human, but it looks like it's"}, {"start": "03:09:10", "end": "03:09:14", "text": "reverse engineered alien techch"}, {"start": "03:09:12", "end": "03:09:17", "text": "construction. It's just uh it's so"}, {"start": "03:09:14", "end": "03:09:19", "text": "weird. Almost like a TR3B or something,"}, {"start": "03:09:17", "end": "03:09:21", "text": "right? Yeah. Definitely. See that? This"}, {"start": "03:09:19", "end": "03:09:23", "text": "kind of the black mass with the lights"}, {"start": "03:09:21", "end": "03:09:25", "text": "connected to it. It definitely looks"}, {"start": "03:09:23", "end": "03:09:27", "text": "like a craft. I'd estimate this thing"}, {"start": "03:09:25", "end": "03:09:30", "text": "probably being the size of a school bus."}, {"start": "03:09:27", "end": "03:09:32", "text": "It's huge."}, {"start": "03:09:30", "end": "03:09:34", "text": "And then it kind of just disappears back"}, {"start": "03:09:32", "end": "03:09:37", "text": "behind the wall over there and it's"}, {"start": "03:09:34", "end": "03:09:41", "text": "completely gone. It just disappears."}, {"start": "03:09:37", "end": "03:09:44", "text": "See, it's gone. Uh, this is wild."}, {"start": "03:09:41", "end": "03:09:45", "text": "It just seems so unconventional. Look at"}, {"start": "03:09:44", "end": "03:09:47", "text": "all the lights. But you can almost make"}, {"start": "03:09:45", "end": "03:09:50", "text": "out a"}, {"start": "03:09:47", "end": "03:09:52", "text": "construction, a a craft that all these"}, {"start": "03:09:50", "end": "03:09:54", "text": "lights are connected to. Whatever it is,"}, {"start": "03:09:52", "end": "03:09:57", "text": "it's huge."}, {"start": "03:09:54", "end": "03:10:00", "text": "There's one blinking like anti-colision"}, {"start": "03:09:57", "end": "03:10:02", "text": "FAA light in front of it, but I don't"}, {"start": "03:10:00", "end": "03:10:04", "text": "know. Is it just trying to mimic an"}, {"start": "03:10:02", "end": "03:10:06", "text": "airplane? Is this UFOs trying to mimic"}, {"start": "03:10:04", "end": "03:10:09", "text": "airplanes in our airspace? I'm not sure."}, {"start": "03:10:06", "end": "03:10:12", "text": "Some people have that theory, but this"}, {"start": "03:10:09", "end": "03:10:15", "text": "thing looks whacked as all heck. Oh my"}, {"start": "03:10:12", "end": "03:10:18", "text": "god, it's pretty amazing. Guys, what do"}, {"start": "03:10:15", "end": "03:10:21", "text": "you think?"}, {"start": "03:10:18", "end": "03:10:23", "text": "100% legitimate footage. All the videos"}, {"start": "03:10:21", "end": "03:10:25", "text": "we just shared, we could vouch that"}, {"start": "03:10:23", "end": "03:10:28", "text": "there's no AI or CGI. We're looking at"}, {"start": "03:10:25", "end": "03:10:31", "text": "authentic video captured from around the"}, {"start": "03:10:28", "end": "03:10:34", "text": "world, from Chile to India to Japan,"}, {"start": "03:10:31", "end": "03:10:36", "text": "right here in America. Incredible stuff."}, {"start": "03:10:34", "end": "03:10:40", "text": "Now, take a look at her trailer, Beyond"}, {"start": "03:10:36", "end": "03:10:40", "text": "Top Secret: The Era of Disclosure."}, {"start": "03:10:43", "end": "03:10:48", "text": "Dr. Steven Greer has stepped to the"}, {"start": "03:10:46", "end": "03:10:52", "text": "podium at the National Press Club once"}, {"start": "03:10:48", "end": "03:10:55", "text": "again, but this time he is flanked by a"}, {"start": "03:10:52", "end": "03:10:57", "text": "new vanguard of truth. Highlevel"}, {"start": "03:10:55", "end": "03:11:00", "text": "insiders who have defied the secrecy"}, {"start": "03:10:57", "end": "03:11:04", "text": "machine to bring forward names, dates,"}, {"start": "03:11:00", "end": "03:11:04", "text": "and classified operations."}, {"start": "03:11:04", "end": "03:11:10", "text": "What we're doing here is a preemptive"}, {"start": "03:11:07", "end": "03:11:10", "text": "strike."}, {"start": "03:11:10", "end": "03:11:14", "text": "This is my push back."}, {"start": "03:11:16", "end": "03:11:21", "text": "I know when they were made and I know"}, {"start": "03:11:18", "end": "03:11:22", "text": "who precisely is being blackmailed and"}, {"start": "03:11:21", "end": "03:11:25", "text": "is therefore compromising the US"}, {"start": "03:11:22", "end": "03:11:25", "text": "government."}, {"start": "03:11:27", "end": "03:11:33", "text": "If I don't get whacked after that, it'll"}, {"start": "03:11:29", "end": "03:11:33", "text": "be a miracle."}, {"start": "03:11:34", "end": "03:11:40", "text": "The implication again was we're watching"}, {"start": "03:11:36", "end": "03:11:41", "text": "you keep your mouth shut"}, {"start": "03:11:40", "end": "03:11:43", "text": "and that's where we went through the"}, {"start": "03:11:41", "end": "03:11:47", "text": "skiff type of checkpoint and that's"}, {"start": "03:11:43", "end": "03:11:49", "text": "where the off world technology room was."}, {"start": "03:11:47", "end": "03:11:52", "text": "former Green Beret who has been involved"}, {"start": "03:11:49", "end": "03:11:55", "text": "with some what are called psionic"}, {"start": "03:11:52", "end": "03:11:58", "text": "programs"}, {"start": "03:11:55", "end": "03:12:00", "text": "interface like conscious AI with an ET"}, {"start": "03:11:58", "end": "03:12:04", "text": "craft and have it within range to be"}, {"start": "03:12:00", "end": "03:12:06", "text": "struck where it's then downed"}, {"start": "03:12:04", "end": "03:12:11", "text": "to build a relationship with the NHI get"}, {"start": "03:12:06", "end": "03:12:12", "text": "them in close enough to be exploited"}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:15", "text": "that they're up against something that's"}, {"start": "03:12:12", "end": "03:12:18", "text": "much more powerful"}, {"start": "03:12:15", "end": "03:12:22", "text": "that has more funding"}, {"start": "03:12:18", "end": "03:12:26", "text": "It has more cutting edge technology"}, {"start": "03:12:22", "end": "03:12:26", "text": "and these people can be ruthless."}, {"start": "03:12:26", "end": "03:12:30", "text": "It's a very complex problem because you"}, {"start": "03:12:28", "end": "03:12:33", "text": "have what I call the foxes in the hen"}, {"start": "03:12:30", "end": "03:12:33", "text": "house."}, {"start": "03:12:34", "end": "03:12:40", "text": "I think the president and his team have"}, {"start": "03:12:36", "end": "03:12:40", "text": "their work cut out for them."}, {"start": "03:12:46", "end": "03:12:50", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "03:12:48", "end": "03:12:53", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "03:12:50", "end": "03:12:56", "text": "Moon. We're standing by right here at"}, {"start": "03:12:53", "end": "03:12:58", "text": "the base. My email is in the"}, {"start": "03:12:56", "end": "03:13:00", "text": "description. Upload that video and copy"}, {"start": "03:12:58", "end": "03:13:01", "text": "paste it to my email. Send it to us."}, {"start": "03:13:00", "end": "03:13:04", "text": "Keep your eyes on the skies, everybody."}, {"start": "03:13:01", "end": "03:13:09", "text": "We're not alone. And watch more UFO"}, {"start": "03:13:04", "end": "03:13:12", "text": "videos right now. We'll see you"}, {"start": "03:13:09", "end": "03:13:12", "text": "tomorrow."}]

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We're"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "looking at some sort of craft. It looks"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "like it's something that's connected."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "It's not like three floating orbs. It"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "looks like a solid craft. They're"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "floating in the clouds."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "Now, when I added some brightness"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "contrast, you almost make like a shadow"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "between the three lights that this could"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "be one solid structure hovering in the"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "skies here. [music] And uh right now,"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "I'm sure there's going to be multiple"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "videos coming out of India. It looks"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "like this place was kind of crowded."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Might have been an event going on, but"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "what kind of event is going on in the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "sky is beyond us. That's why we're"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "sharing it right here at Third Phase."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "And we've got a lot of videos in this"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "episode. So, let's get to the next one"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "right now. I am recording a meteor"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "falling out of the sky right now in this"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "very moment. Doesn't look as cool right"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "here on this camera as it does here in"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "person. But you see that dip? Look at"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "it. Look at it."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "There is about there is that is either a"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "ship"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "coming from down from outer space or a"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "meteor about to hit. I imagine a meteor"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "would be faster, but it's trailing crazy"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "and it looks all slow and dramatic like"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "it was like as if it was a movie."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "That is the meteor, folks."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "Or otherwise unidentified flying object."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "It's like that's definitely not a meteor"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "because it's making like a S"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "kind of like and it's trailing some"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "weird fiery trail behind it."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "You see? And it just keeps making these"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "weird odd controlled movements."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Pay attention to that light."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": ">> What the [ __ ] is that? And it just"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "disappeared. It just [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "disappeared, dude. Not AI. All right,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "we're going to watch this once again."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "And I'm adding some brightness contrast."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "And I blew it up about I don't know 500%"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "to the right. We're looking at this"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "craft. And it seems that it almost"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "looked like a celestial object, some"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "kind of maybe shooting star. But then"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "the what it hap what happens next? The"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "dynamics rules all that out. We're"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "looking at something kind of"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "unbelievable here. Brett. Yeah. But cut"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "this person's eye. This thing was"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "stationary. Then at one point it just"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "descends straight to the ground. This"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "thing looks like it's a ball of fire."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "This guy's like blowing his mind. He"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "He's tripping out. Now look at this."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "It's taking another angle to the left"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "and then it just stalls again. This is"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "incredible footage right here. What's"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "going on?"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "Yeah, you could barely make it out, but"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "with the enhancements, it's still"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "hanging in the air, suspended, not"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "moving. At first, it was descending and"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "then it stops. Descends again, comes to"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "a stop. And look at look at this. is on"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "a descent once again. Strange video"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "right here. Now, we got more videos"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "coming in from Chris Bledsoe. Take a"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "look at this one."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> This is the phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "But I love you all. We love you. We just"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "want you to try to keep your heart and"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "mind center for everyone here cuz this"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "is special"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "right here."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "Here's another one right here. Thank"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Thank you. You see how you bring the"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "crowd back together, it comes."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> See how it's coming back?"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Everybody fragments and starts."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": ">> Oh, look right here. Right here. Look at"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": ">> When we all come together, this is what"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "happens. Thank you so much."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": ">> My neck."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> That's That's for all of you"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "individually to see. That's not just for"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "us. September 14th,"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> 2026, Alaska 411 Bigfoot cruise."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": ">> Chris earlier this month was on an"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Alaskan cruise cruise ship and they were"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "doing some summoning and this is what"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "happened. And we're looking at it."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "They're pointing up the green laser"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "trying to get its attention. I don't"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "think you need green lasers to get UFOs"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "uh attentions. They're just uh all over"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "the place at all the time. But I like"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "this one, right? Yeah, look, we're"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "seeing a cluster of UFOs, but then"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "they're kind of like trying to call it"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "out and this purple thing just kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "expands and kind of pulsates and shows"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "itself and say like, \"Hey guys, I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "here.\" And then it kind of like dims"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "back out. Yeah, this is pretty good"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "stuff coming in from Chris."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "I love when they charge up like that."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "Now, let's get to the next video coming"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "into third phase. It's nonstop around"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Dude, I just got a good video of that"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "one."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> Dude, what?"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> There's one."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> All right, more videos coming out of"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "California. I added some brightness"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "contrast. You could barely make out what"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "these people were seeing. Sometimes you"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "see things better with your naked eye,"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "but look as I enhance it. You almost see"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "multiple craft doing multiple things. At"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "first over there in Menllo Park, you"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "could kind of see two lights kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "moving in unison and then he's like,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "\"What the heck is that?\" Where we see"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "multiple lights like it's a it's like a"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "big craft up there. So, in my opinion,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "we're looking at two multiple UFOs. Look"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "at this, Brian."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Yeah, look at that. Definitely what's"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "happening in California. It's just"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "lighting up over here. It's pretty wild"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "what's going on. Look at Look at these"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "clusters of UFO. This thing's a large"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "craft. I think it's one solid craft."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Now, more videos. Check this out."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "I'm sitting here at work. I turn around"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "and I see this thing in the sky."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "right. I love it when the truckers are"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "on a mission. They're seeing UFOs while"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "they're out there on the roads. They"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "spent a lot of time out there looking up"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "in the sky while they're driving AC"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "across the country. And what this guy"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "captured in Texas is kind of blowing us"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "away of what looks to be some kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "spiraling UFO just twisting around up"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "there, dancing, doing something. I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "know what it's doing, but it's doing"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "something crazy there, Brent. Look at"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "the dynamics of this thing. It's like a"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "snake trying to eat its own tail, going"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "in some sort of freakish fashion. Look"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "at the speed of this thing doing these"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "circles. And then this thing's like it's"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "lit up. It almost looks biological."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "It just doesn't make any sense. Is this"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "some kind of natural"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "atmospheric phenomenon or is this some"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "kind of life form? Cuz if it's it is"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "it's something that I'm unaware unaware"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "of, but look at this the original video"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "right here. And uh once again, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "to rule out a drone there. Drones don't"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "do this. We don't see any kind of craft."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "We just see pure energy here. A light"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "like you say bright a snake trying to"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "chase its own tail or you know how cats"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "or dogs chase their own tails. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "this is something going on over here"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "like this orb is chasing itself creating"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "the the illusion of this string going"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "around in circles. A light string,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "right? Yeah. The energy you could just"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "you see it. It's illuminated. What's"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "keeping this charged up? And then just"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "the speed again of this thing just"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "wrapping itself in a circle."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "It makes you wonder what what's its"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "purpose? What's it what what is it"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "trying to do? When we get the closeup,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "it's really mind-blowing. Let's let's"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "get that closeup again because when you"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "see it, you you see the dynamics of this"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Yeah, let's pull up that closeup again."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "And uh man, it's just it's confusing"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "because there's nothing that makes sense"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "about this video. It almost looks like"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "the camera's just kind of like he's"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "turning it around in circles, so you get"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "this illusion. But look, his hand is"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "steady. What's not steady is this light"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "as it's just spinning around. And once"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "again, there's no explanation to what"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "we're looking at. Guys, you have any"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "opinions? We we sure would like to hear"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "it in this live premiere. And it's good"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "to be with you, like I said. But man,"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "I'm just I'm enjoying this because I"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "don't see any craft. It's it's like a"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "great mystery these UFOs. And I hope we"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "get to the bottom of it, bottom of it"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "one of these days. But right now, uh"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "man, that's why they call them UFOs."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "They're unidentified. And they're flying"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "and they're objects. But maybe this one"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "isn't an object. Maybe it's just energy."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "Maybe it's a UF. I don't know, man. All"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "The [ __ ] is that?"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> That's a UFO."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> One of them triangle ships. UFO."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> It's gone vertical."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> It's going vertical. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "Smell it."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "What the [ __ ] is that?"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> I didn't think we'd see a UFO in"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "Cleveland."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "All right, let's get the sidebyside"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "comparison. And uh you know, I blew up"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "the one to the right, the video, and"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "we're looking at it a little closer. You"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "could hear it in their in their voices."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "They were kind of stunned of what"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "they're looking at. And is this some"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "kind of school campus? Not exactly sure"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "of the exact location on this one, but"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "uh man, you could hear it. These guys"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "were just kind of like, man, I never"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "thought I'd see a UFO. And now they see"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "maybe three of them. Or is this one"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "large craft? Right. Well, looking at the"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "video, these things are remaining"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "stationary. They're not descending."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "They're not ascending. They're just"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "basically parked in the night sky over"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "there. And you can see the top orb has"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "the most charged up energy to it. And"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "these two lower orbs are a little"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "smaller vibrance of light. But again,"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "they're they're basically not moving."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Right now, they're taking a different"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "shape. But in the beginning, they pulled"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "out their camera and they're they're"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "super excited. You could hear it."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "They're wondering what's going on."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "Yeah, the orb at the top pretty much is"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "the primary source of light. And then"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "these two orbs"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "are slowly moving, but they're not"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "descending. The one on the bottom is"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "just kind of like lining up. So, it's"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "makes more of a straighter pattern, a"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "linear pattern. But man, whatever is"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "going on, this again, once again, is a"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "mystery to us. All right, we've got some"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "breaking news. A video just has just"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "come to us. We're putting it in the"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "timeline. I'm hoping you guys are going"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "to dig this because it looks like a"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "helicopter and a UFO once again in close"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "proximity. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "All right, I'm going to throw some slow"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "motion on this and we're going to get"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "some closeups. Look how"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "incredibly close this helicopter gets uh"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "to this orb or the orb is getting"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "incredibly close to those blades. You"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "you don't want to get mixed up with"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "that. It almost looks metallic this"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "thing. And it's just really close. If"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "this were blown the roto rash would of"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "you know blew it away no problem. But"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "this thing seems that it's consistent in"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "its flight pattern. Like there's"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "intelligence. There's a rigid core of"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "energy holding this steel or metallic"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "sphere up in the sky. Brian, yeah, the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "person filming this was actually"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "driving. He was stuck in traffic. He"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "looked up. He saw the helicopter,"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "started filming, then noticed this orb."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "He only had a short time to film it, but"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "there you go. He's got it. And [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "we're seeing it clear as day. This this"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "spherical orb. It almost looks like the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "size of a basketball, but like you said,"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "Blake, the rotor watch isn't hitting"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "this. It's It's not moving it. It seems"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "like this thing's locked in the sky"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "under its own control. This is some"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "amazing footage right here, [music] man."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "It's like a blockbuster movie and you're"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "just sitting there in traffic and this"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "helicopter is hovering over you and then"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "boom, you notice this strange sphere"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "just hanging incredibly close. Look at"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "the I'm sure the pilot is basically only"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "no more than 30 feet from this at the"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "most. He's getting a really good look."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "He's probably like, \"Dang, this thing"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "wants to do a Mexican standoff or"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "something or some kind of, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "showdown. This is crazy.\""}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "Once again, let's play it in real time"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "here. And like I said, I haven't seen"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "such clarity before. Usually, this"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "happens off at a distance when you see"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "helicopters and UFOs, but like I said,"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "this pilot's getting a front row seat"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "here, Brian. Yeah, that's for sure. What"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "a show right here. Great slow-mo. And"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "this helicopter is just dead on. It's"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "hard to tell. Maybe this orbs a little"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "farther up from the helicopter itself."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "I'm not sure, but again, fantastic"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "footage coming into third phase. That's"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "right, Brent. Now, we've got more"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "footage. Take a look at this incredible"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "sighting."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": ">> One of the strangest experiments in"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "history suggest we could be living in a"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "simulation."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "right, this video is coming out of Chile"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "in a mountainous region of that country"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "of what looks to be a fleet of UFOs"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "appearing in and out of existence. They"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "were It looked like they were traveling,"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "but then they just kind of come to a"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "halt in the sky. Multiple objects. I"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "count three, but then earlier there was"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "there was more than that. So, this is"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "very strange. And look at this one. It"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "starts to pop up near the bottom. The"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "video lasts for only a certain amount of"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "time, but look at this. Brent, what do"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "you make of it?"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "Yeah, it's pretty cool. You see like"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "these two bright orbs and then you see"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "these other orbs kind of flaking it up"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "to the top top of the screen and like"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "you said like these objects just come to"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "a complete stop hovering over the"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "mountainous region of Chile right there."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "Then it seems to kind of produce another"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "UFO right there at the bottom. Did he"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "see that?"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "I like this one too right at the"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "beginning. Look at these charge"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "clusters."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "Amazing stuff coming into third phase"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "moon with multiple objects."}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "I wonder I wonder if this place is a"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "sacred area. It just looks like a"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "perfect place for UFO activity. I bet"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "you this mountain is a hot spot for"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "UFOs. All right, let's get to the next"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "video coming into third phase."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "All right, this is captured in Japan."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "The guy's on a train and they notice"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "something crazy just for a few moments"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "of time. I'm adding some brightness"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "contrast of an unknown object just kind"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "of hanging there and disappears out of"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "sight. Uh just enough time to capture"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "something incredible. Brent. Yeah, look"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "at that. Way up there. And this thing's"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "massive. It almost looks like a star"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "destroyer. Again, here's another shot. I"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "think he's filming his screen because"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "here he only had a short opportunity to"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "film it. And then other people on the"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "train were filming it. They're like,"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "\"Can I film your phone?\" And then this"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "is what they're getting. But look at"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "that. We see the craft. It's identical."}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "It's the same craft. And uh this thing's"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "massive. It almost looks like some sort"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "of triangular Starcraft. Amazing."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "Yeah, it looks like he's has a video"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "uploaded into his desktop and he's"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "filming the desktop and uh he's going"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "over the video that he just uh captured"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "on a little journey on a train over"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "there in Japan. And look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "I don't think it's a blimp or an"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "airplane. This is something very"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "bizarre. Look at that craft there. It"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "doesn't make any sense to me, Brent. It"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "looks human, but it looks like it's"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "reverse engineered alien techch"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "construction. It's just uh it's so"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "weird. Almost like a TR3B or something,"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "Brett. Yeah, definitely. You see that?"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "This kind of the black mass with the"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "lights connected to it. It definitely"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "looks like a craft. I'd estimate this"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "thing probably being the size of a"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "school bus. It's huge."}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "And then it kind of just disappears back"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "behind the wall over there. And it's"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "completely gone. It just [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "disappears. See, it's gone. This is"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "wild."}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "It just seems so unconventional. Look at"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "all the lights. But you can almost make"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "out a a construction, a a craft that all"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "these lights are connected to, whatever"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "it is. It's huge."}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "There's one blinking like anti-colision"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "FAA light in front of it, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "know. Is it just trying to mimic an"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "airplane? Is this UFOs trying to mimic"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "airplanes in our airspace? I'm not sure."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "Some people have that theory, but this"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "thing looks whacked as all heck. Oh my"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "god. It's pretty amazing, guys. What do"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "you think?"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "100% legitimate footage. All the videos"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "we just shared, we could vouch that"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "there's no AI or CGI. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "authentic video captured from around the"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "world, from Chile to India to Japan,"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "right here in America. Incredible stuff."}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "Now, take a look at her trailer, Beyond"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "Top Secret: The Era of Disclosure."}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "Dr. Steven Greer has stepped to the"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "podium at the National Press Club once"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "again, but this time he is flanked by a"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "new vanguard of truth. Highlevel"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "insiders who have defied the secrecy"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "machine to bring forward names, dates,"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "and classified operations."}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "What we're doing here is a preemptive"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "strike."}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "This is my push back."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:19", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": ">> I know when they were made and I know"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "who precisely is being [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "blackmailed and is there for"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "compromising the US government."}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "If I don't get whacked after that, it'll"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "be a miracle."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "The implication was we're watching you"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "keep your mouth [music] shut."}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "And that's where we went through the"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "skiff type of checkpoint and that's"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "where the off-world technology [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "room was"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "former Green Beret who has been involved"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "with some what are called psionic"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "programs"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "interface like conscious AI with an ET"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "craft and [music] have it within range"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "to be struck where it's then downed"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "to build a relationship with the [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "NHI get them in close enough to be"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "exploited."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "that they're up against something that's"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "much more powerful"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "that has more funding. [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "It has more cutting edge technology"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "[music] and these people can be"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "ruthless."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "It's a very complex problem because you"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "have what I call the foxes [music] in"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "the hen house."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "I think the president and [music] his"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "team have the work cut out for them."}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "And if you've captured [music] anything"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "amazing, submit it to us right here at"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. We're standing by right"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "here at the base. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "description. Upload that video and copy"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "paste it to my email. Send it to us."}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Keep your eyes on the skies, everybody."}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "We're not alone. And watch more [music]"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "UFO videos right now."}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "We'll see you tomorrow."}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:21", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "You've got Blake and Brent Cousins, and"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "we've got videos coming in from around"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "the world that's going to blow you away."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "So, let's get to it. Something was in"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "close proximity to a helicopter. Crazy"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "videos coming in."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "All right. What was captured in"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Australia is beyond us. We're just"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "tripping the heck out because the"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "videos, they just keep getting cleaner,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "clearer, and more provocative as the"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "days go on. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "something that's unexplained. It almost"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "looks like a pod up there with geometric"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "shapes. It's black. It's smooth. It"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "doesn't look of this world. It looks I"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "don't know. Look, it looks like a UFO."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Guys, what do you make of this?"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "Wow, look at that, Blake. This is"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "incredible. Again, just exciting stuff"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "coming in here at third phase. And when"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "you see that helicopter, it seems to be"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "observing whatever this craft is, if you"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "could call it that, like you said, like"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "this thing has this smooth texture to"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "it. It It's so weird. And then again, it"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "has these geom geometric shapes that"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "makes it very odd. Look how high up in"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "the sky that is. And it looks like a"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "military helicopter is observing this."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "No. Well, watch this one more time and"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "we're going to get to uh more videos"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "because this video is stacked with the"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "UFO phenomenon happening around the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "world. But look at this, guys. Guys, I"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "want to get your comments in this live"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "premiere. What was captured"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "approximately, I'd say about I don't"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "know 2 to 3,000 ft in altitude next to a"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "military helicopter in close observation"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "of this unknown object. What are we"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "looking at?"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "That's the big question."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "All right, we've got a lot of videos"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "coming in to third phase in this"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "episode. So, let's roll it right now."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Take a look at this broad daylight"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "sighting."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "One of the strangest experiments in"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "history suggests we could be living. an"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "incredible capture of some orb hanging"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "in the sky. And we're looking at it"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "right now. We're going to get some"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "extreme close-ups of this object. It"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "looks like it's a perfect sphere. You"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "can make out the outer edges gleaming"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "off the sun. It's silhouetted"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "underneath. And we're looking at the the"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "amazing capture with the beautiful"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "clouds in the background and this black"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "sphere. I'm not sure if it's a sphere or"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "underbelly of a flying saucer. Brian,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "what do you make of this? Wow. Boom."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Look at that. When the sun hits it, you"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "can clearly see that we're seeing the"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "bottom of this craft. I think it's"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "actually flat and not a sphere in"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "itself. It It looks almost disc-like."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "And when the sun hits it, you can see"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "that this this thing's made of metal."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Again, look how high this object is up"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "in the sky. I'm estimating about 1500"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "feet, maybe 2,000 ft. And you can see"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "it's just slowly drifting from right to"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "left beneath the cloud layer. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "awesome."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "You notice the trees to the left."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "There's a slight breeze, but this thing"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "is just remaining"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "with purpose. It's not It's not wobbling"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "all over the place like a balloon. And"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "let's get an extreme closeup. We're"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "going to get a good closeup. We're"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "enhancing this video. Let's do it."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "All right, let's get a closeup. Like you"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "say, Brent, when when you see the gleam"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "from the sun hit the kind of the upper"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "carriage of this craft, you really get"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "to make out the shape of it. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "insane. I would estimate this thing to"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "be at least 25 to 30 feet in diameter."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Definitely a metallic craft. broad"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "daylight."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "This guy's doing a really good job"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "capturing it because it was high up in"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "the sky and um let me tell you, it's not"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "easy filming UFOs. Sometimes it it gets"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "a little hectic because you're just"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "tripping out on what you're looking at."}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "But right now, we're tripping out on"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "what we're observing in this video,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "guys. What do you make of this? Hit that"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "thumbs up in this live premiere and give"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "us your comments because"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "right now we're kind of scratching our"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "heads. And look at the clarity here,"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "Brent. Yeah, this is authentic. Look at"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "that. Again, you can see the rim of kind"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "of around the craft itself."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Again, when the sun hits it, it sparks."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "It It's It screams that this thing is"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "made out of metal. This is wicked"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "footage right here. What a great"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "capture."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "right, I just want to observe this one"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "more time and get that closeup. But"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "again, the the original video we're"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "looking at right now. And um yeah, this"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "thing's high up there. What is it doing"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "up there? Does it have any kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "intention? Is it looking for something?"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "Is it some kind of surveillance"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "going on here?"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Some unknown black project"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "drone of some sort. or is this something"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "otherworldly? And again, this closeup"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "when you see the underbelly, you almost"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "make like"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "some kind of construction"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "technology underneath that's just u"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "undeniable because there is no means of"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "propulsion being seen here."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "You want clear UFO videos? You're in the"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "right place at Third Phase of Moon. All"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "right, let's get to the next one coming"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "in right now. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Right. This happened over Chile. A"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "passenger aboard a commercial airliner"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "films out his his window and notices"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "something in the sky. This is insane"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "footage of some kind of cigar shaped"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "craft. It's illuminated. It's massive."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "And once again, it's unknown. No means"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "of manipulation. What we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "at is 100% legitimate footage. No AI or"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "CGI. We're slowing down the video. And"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "again, there's some geometric shape to"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "it. There's kind of like a point"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "at the end and then it's just kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "flat on the bottom. But this thing, I"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "would say, is at least maybe 100 yards"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "long. But"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "yeah, look at the illumination on that"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "thing. And it's this thing's huge."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "Whatever it is, it's it's great capture."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "Some people might say it's a oil tanker."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "I'm not sure because of the illumination"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "on this thing and the brightness. It"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "doesn't look like one. This is again"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "legitimate footage right here at"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. That's right, Brent. It"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "is legitimate. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "something that's once again mindblowing."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "Let's play it in real time side by side."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "The original to the left. I added some"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "brightness contrast to the right. And"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "man, whatever this thing is, it's just"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "kind of moving along right below the"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "cloud layer there as the passenger"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "aboard this commercial airliner over"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "Chile is getting a real amazing show."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "Better than the movies you're going to"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "see on airplanes. When you're looking"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "out your windows,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "as you're traveling in the air, keep an"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "eye out for the UFO activity. It's"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "constant. And I'm sure the pilots were"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "aware of this. I'd sure like to hear"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "what they got to say. Now more videos"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "into third phase. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": ">> Yo, I don't know if you guys can see"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "this or not."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "Like this weird UFO free floating object"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "floating over downtown. You see that"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "Wait, hold on. We got to go under the"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "bridge."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "See that"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "just floating there? Looks like a I"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "like a big space station or some"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "It's just floating in the sky. Not"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "moving at all."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "What the is that?"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "It's not a balloon."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "That's a shrimp."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Look at that"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "Just floating there silently."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "See that"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": " crazy,"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> right? What was captured over San Diego"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "is quite impressive. This guy's like"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "kind of stuck in traffic and then he"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "notices something in the sky that he"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "can't explain what he's looking at. And"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "uh let me tell you, it's quite amazing."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Wow. What's up with San Diego? It just"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "it's lighting up. It seems like every"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "week we're dropping a UFO from San"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Diego. And again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "something indeed unidentified. We don't"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "know what this is. You can see it's kind"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "of like pill-shaped"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "white and some sort of like attachment"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "to the bottom of this. Yeah, definitely"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "I'd be filming this if I saw this flying"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "in the sky. Pretty amazing filming and"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "driving in the freeway on the freeway at"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "the same time same time. I give this guy"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "credit. It's pretty cool stuff. All"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "right, we're"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "like I said, we got so many videos that"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "are coming into third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "Take a look at this one. It's pretty"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "amazing. Watch."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "All right, this one's kind of blowing me"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "away. Like I said, the videos, they just"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "keep coming into third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "And we're going to get some close-ups of"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "this craft just moving from left to"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "right ever so smoothly under design,"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "under control, under intelligence"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "of what looks to be some kind of pod"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "shaped craft."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "Undeniable UFO evidence right here."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "Looks it's silhouetted, but you could"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "make out kind of a sheen on here."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "There's a little light off the surface."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "In my opinion, this is metallic in"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "nature. It's a It's made out of some"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "kind of metal, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "You can see it right there. This is a"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "structure. And this is a really good"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "closeup right here. This thing just"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "seems Look at this thing. It's flying"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "left to right at quite some speed. And"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "then it it kind of comes to a stall and"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "then picks up again. Let's look at this."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "There it is. You see that just kind of"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "like come to a bank stop and then it"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "starts to pick up its velocity. What a"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "good shot right here. Again, these"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "objects are being seen all over the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "world. These things aren't hiding"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "anymore. Look at this craft just again"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "come to a pause and then starts to move"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "again. Yeah, the flight characteristics"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "on this thing is very unconventional."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "We're looking at something that isn't"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "any kind of drone that I'm aware of."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "And it's off at a distance. I'd have to"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "say this thing's about 15 feet in uh in"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "length here. And again, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "get an extreme closeup"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "before we get to the next video. I just"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "want to watch this one more time. It's"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "just fascinating to look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "It's It comes to a stop and then picks"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "up some speed."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "It remains on a consistent axis, which"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "is amazing to me."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "It's amazing how the cameraman captured"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "it so clear. These 4K iPhones, Androids,"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "they're getting the job done nowadays."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "They're not shooting on potatoes"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "anymore. They're shooting in 4K HD video"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "footage that's blowing us away. Take a"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "look at this one. More videos coming"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "into Third Phase of Moose."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> Oh my god, there's three. There's three"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "of them."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": ">> Four. Look."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> Weird. That is like a UFO."}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": ">> That is like a UFO."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> What the heck is it?"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": ">> What the"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> What the Where is it coming from?"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": ">> Where did it go?"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": ">> You know, it's really hard to see. You"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "could hear the reaction from the kids"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "and the father. And now that I add some"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "brightness contrast, you see right there"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "center frame of this orb dancing in the"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "sky. There it is moving like a fish in"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "this in the water. But this thing is"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "moving at a high rate of speed. Pure"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "energy. Again, the it's really hard to"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "see cuz it's off at a distance. But when"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "I add some brightness contrast, you you"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "can make out make it out. I'm sure with"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "the naked eye, it was really impressive."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "If you heard hear the little girls like"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "that's a"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "that's a UFO and the father didn't know"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "what was going on. But with this"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "brightness contrast you could you could"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "make it out of this dancing orb in the"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "sky doing unconventional maneuvers."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "Wow. Look at those flight"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "characteristics. It's amazing. The"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "dynamic capabilities of these UFOs are"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "off the hook."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "swirling around, just moving in erratic"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "maneuvers, but gliding, swimming."}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "Incredible stuff. Now, more footage."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> Stephanie,"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "how was it?"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": ">> Right, let's take a look at this again."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "Multiple orbs in the sky down below the"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "surface there."}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "And then there's a second one up on top."}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "What are these things doing? It seems"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "like they're just constantly all over"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "our planet right now. Now we see two"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "consecutive spheres, black spheres just"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "hovering in the sky. Brent, yeah, I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "wondering if they came out of the water"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "over there. Again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "these spheres that you said, Blake, are"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "being seen all over the world. And here"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "it is, clear and present. Two of them"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "just hovering fairly close to each"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "other. there and they seem kind of, you"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "know, stationary, parked up there in the"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "sky. They're not moving. They're just"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "kind of observing, you could say. Again,"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "undeniable footage coming in. Thanks"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "everybody for watching these videos with"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "us. This is outstanding. And we've got"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "another one for you. And this has just"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "come in just moments ago. We've got"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "breaking news of an incredible UFO"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "video. I can't wait to show it to you."}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "We're going to slap it into the"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "timeline. Just one second."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "And uh let's take a look at this. We're"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "going to watch it with you for the very,"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "very first time."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "I just saw the beginning of it. I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "like, let's put it up. This is crazy."}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "Watch this."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "The old man."}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "Right, let's get a sidebyside"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "comparison. the original to the left. I"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "blew up the one to the right about 700%"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "to get a close-up look of this object"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "just hanging in the sky. It looks like a"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "golden ship. Incredible stuff here."}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "Man, it doesn't get much better than"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "this, Bryant."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "Yeah. Look at the illumination on this"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "thing. It's bright. You can see it's"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "kind of like at dusk and this thing's"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "just kind of tracking from left to"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "right."}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "You could see the ship, you could call"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "it, actually charging up, kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "pulsating with this dynamic color of"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "light. This is amazing. Then it kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "just stopped and banked straight to the"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "left."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "Wow. This is kind of mind-blowing. And"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "then you can see it kind of like the"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "light kind of glimmers. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "like turning off and on. This is wild"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "stuff right here. Very odd."}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "Yeah. Look at the sheen of the lights"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "coming off this thing. Maybe it's kind"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "of glimmering because the cloud layer"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "obscuring the sun or it's its own"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "internal power source. But again, the"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "way it just switched directions is"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "totally"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "unconventional. This is something"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "otherworldly in my opinion. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "sudden stop there and then it takes off."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "Amazing footage coming into third phase"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "of moon, guys. This is where you want to"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "be to see the latest UFO videos. And let"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "me tell you this, you want to see the"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "latest documentary that's going to break"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "the internet. It's called Beyond Top"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "Secret. The era of disclosure is"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "groundbreaking. firsthand eyewitnesses,"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "whistleblowers come forward to tell you"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "about the black budget programs that"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "they were involved with with regards to"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "off-world technology"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "and the suppression and the pressure"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "that they were under not to speak. But"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "they spoke to us in this documentary and"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "we want you to watch it. And guys, we're"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "going to show you the trailer right now."}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "And the link to the film is available"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "right in the description. It's on Amazon"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "Prime."}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "Dr. Steven Greer has stepped to the"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "podium at the National Press Club once"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "again, but this time he is flanked by a"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "new vanguard of truth. highlevel"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "insiders who have defied the secrecy"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "machine to bring forward names, dates,"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "and classified operations."}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "What we're doing here is a preemptive"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "strike."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "This is my push back."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "I know when they were made and I know"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "who precisely is being blackmailed and"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "is there for compromise in the US"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "If I don't get whacked after that, it'll"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "be a miracle."}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "The implication was, \"We're watching"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "you. Keep your mouth shut.\""}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": ">> And that's where we went through the"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "skiff type of checkpoint and that's"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "where the off world technology room was."}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "former Green Beret who has been involved"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "with some what are called psionic"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "programs"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "interface a conscious AI with an ET"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "craft and have it within range to be"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "struck where it's then downed"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "to build a relationship with the NHI get"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "them in close enough to be exploited"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "that they're up against something that's"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "much more powerful"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "that has more funding"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "It has more cutting edge technology"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "and these people can be ruthless."}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "It's a very complex problem because you"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "have what I call the foxes in the hen"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "house."}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "I think the president and his team have"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "their work cut out for them."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "Moon. We're standing by right here at"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "the base. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "description. Upload that video and copy"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "paste it to my email. Send it to us."}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "Keep your eyes on the skies, everybody."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "We're not alone. And watch more UFO"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "videos right now. We'll see you"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "tomorrow."}]

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Let's get to it."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "It's good to be back right here at"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Thirdphase Moon and we've got incredible"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "videos and we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "strange in the sky moving at a high rate"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "of speed of pure energy. Look at it"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "light up."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "There's a charge cluster, two of them,"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "and they are intense in their nature of"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "the phenomenon. Brett, what do you make"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "of this? Yeah. Wow. Look at this. This"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "is something captured about 20,000 ft."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "And we're looking at this magnificent"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "ore, maybe two of them, and they're"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "bright and they're moving kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "adjacent [music] to an air a commercial"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "airliner. Again, this is a the wide"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "shot. And [music] when you get a good"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "closeup, you see that this isn't"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "anything commercial. This is something"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "that we really can't explain. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "unidentified. Look at that. As it passes"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "the trail of the the passenger, the"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "commercial airliner."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "Yeah. It's interesting with these"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "contrails and UFOs. They seem that every"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "single time somebody's like filming this"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "contrail up in the sky and then they"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "notice UFO activity in close proximity."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "And look at as it flanks this contrail"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "[music] for quite some time and then"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "powers up. You could almost see it"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "illuminate the contrail as well. [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "But right now, I'm not seeing any"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "structure except just pure energy. And"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "look at the open shot. There is the"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "airplane just passing out of you. And"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "this thing is basically kind of speeding"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "up, racing uh towards the Jedi airliner."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "And this thing is again has no means of"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "any business being up there. It's just a"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "very unusual craft. And when we look at"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "it one more time, let's [music] take a"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "closer look. Just one more time. And"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "we're seeing something amazing. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Do you make out any kind of structure?"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "I'm not seeing it. I'm just seeing pure"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "light and energy right now."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "All right, we got more videos coming"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "into Third Phase Moon. It's going to be"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "a long episode, including a sneak peek"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "in Dr. Greer's new exclusive movie,"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "Beyond Top Secret. But let's get to"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "this. More UFO videos. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Look at the display. And let me tell"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "you, this was captured all across the"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "United States. We've got multiple angles"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "coming in of this massive event. We're"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "trying to buckle down to actually find"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "out exactly what is going on. But take a"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "look at this. We've got more shots. And"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "this is coming in different regions of"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "our planet. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "Incredible videos coming in of this"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "event captured in America and other"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "countries. This was massive. Whatever it"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "was, it was making its presence known"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "across the planet, streaming by in the"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "night sky. And hundreds, if not"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "thousands of people just witnessed this"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "breaking news right here at Third Phase,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "right? Yeah. Look at this. This"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "celestial event. Could it be some sort"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "of space junk? A satellite falling from"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "the sky? Or maybe some craft that was"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "again shot down? That's what's uh the"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "rumor going around nowadays. Shoot them"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "down to get their technology. I don't"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "believe that's what we should be doing."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "But again, we're looking at incredible"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "sight right here captured by uh the"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "American people on the ground witnessing"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "this u event as it take as it takes"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "place. This is pretty good."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Yeah, pretty incredible stuff coming in"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "here, Brandon. What I like about it is"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "that this wasn't just kind of a quick"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "burnup. This lasted for quite some time"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "being that it was spotted in different"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "parts of the planet and maybe a couple"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "hours apart. So, this thing was huge."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Whatever was coming down. And this was"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "neat. Look at the trajectory on this"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "thing. It's kind of like going up."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "Usually shooting stars kind of go down."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "So, it's pretty interesting. Definitely"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "looks like something's breaking apart up"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "there, Brett. Yeah, definitely a"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "re-entry of something. What a"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "spectacular site here. Great great"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "captures. We've been seeing these kind"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "of flood the internet today. So, this is"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "just a an example of what's been"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "happening around our planet within the"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "past 24/7."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "Absolutely, Brian. It just doesn't stop"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "here. The UFOs, they they're not hiding"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "anymore. Let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "UFO."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "All right. This one, it's an interesting"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "one. It was captured earlier this month"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "of what looks to be a black craft"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "hovering cloaked in the sky. It almost"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "looks like Superman's symbol, but it's"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "just pure black. And I don't think it's"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "a hole in the crowd. I I I think there's"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "something in the cloud. Brent, yeah, it"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "looks like it's anchored right there,"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "parked in the clouds itself. And when"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "you get the closeup, it definitely looks"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "like some sort of solid object. There's"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "no doubt. And look right there at almost"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "the 4:00 position, we notice another"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "black kind of orb stationary next to"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "this massive craft that's just basically"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "is it trying to cloak itself, camouflage"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "itself within the clouds? That's the big"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "Absolutely stunning video. And I noticed"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "that that black anomaly there to the"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "right of this larger craft. What are we"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "looking at, guys? It's important that"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "you leave your comments. it. We want to"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "learn from you as well. Now, let's get"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "to the next video, guys. Like I said,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "it's going to be a wild ride. Take a"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "look at this."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "What a incredible natural phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "that we're looking at right now. Some"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "people might call it a sund dog."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "I'm calling it spectacular. Spotted in"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "multiple portions of the city of this"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "massive sun rainbow ring. What a sight,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Brent. Yeah, magnificent. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "It's straight up. There's no denying it."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "This is one of the clear shots of the"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "phenomena known as like the the rainbow"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "uh cloud. Again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "something incredible. Again, our world"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "is a fascinating place."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Look at the spectrum of light."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "What an amazing display, man. I wish I"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "was there to see that. That's"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "what an incredible prism. Just it's just"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "amazing what's going on around the"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "world. Now, more videos in. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> What is that?"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "Right. The the guy's driving on the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "freeway. He notices something in the"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "sky. We're going to get a closer look."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "It's very strange. It almost looks like"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "a flying disc with a red light up on top"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "and light surrounding the circular hole"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "of a craft. A craft in unknown in"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "origin. Brent. Yeah, this isn't a"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "conventional. It's not an airplane. I"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "don't believe it's a helicopter either."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "We're looking at something a little"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "different. I'm not sure. We got these"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "new drones flying around in the skies"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "and some of them are unidentified. And"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "this is maybe a clear example again of"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "somebody capturing strangeness up in the"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "sky. Especially when you get the"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "closeup, you kind of see it. It doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "have your FAA lights. It's It's not"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "normal. This is like something else out"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "there. I believe it's probably man-made,"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "but again, what is it? What kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "craft is this?"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "Yeah, the the person driving obviously"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "noticed noticed something strange about"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "this craft that it just didn't seem"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "right. So, he started to film and then"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "when he gets up the gets a closeup of"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "it, you can make out that it's unusual"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "in its characteristics."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "It almost looks like a disc up there."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Again, possible reverse engineered drone"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "technology."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "I'm pretty sure they're rolling them"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "out. You know, these high tech deep"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "black projects. They're they're flying"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "them around. And it seems that maybe"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "nowadays they're flying them more and"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "more over civilian population."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "Again, this closeup it's just it's a"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "strange"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "sighting and I'm glad that this person"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "shot it. I'm pretty sure this thing's"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "probably at least 25 ft 30 feet in"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "length."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "This guy's moving and getting a pretty"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "good shot. He's probably going about 50"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "60 mph holding the hand steady. Good job"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "on this capture."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "Right, we got more unexplained videos"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "coming in. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:16", "text": ">> No, it's like a freestanding camera."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "It's like taking flash pictures."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> Here's an airplane about to go over it."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "That is so weird."}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "It's like in the cloud."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "way under the clouds. It's like just"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "right above,"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> man. We're just rolling out the videos"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "tonight. And look at this one. Two"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "lights flashing, strobing in and out."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "Look at the power on this thing."}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Yeah. The crazy part is when the lights"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "go out, this thing just disappears. You"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "don't see a craft up there. And you"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "could hear the women say it. It's"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "actually within the clouds itself."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "This This thing's wild. It just stays"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "there right up in the sky. You could"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "hear it in the people's voices. They're"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "kind of freaking out. They don't know"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "what this is."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "It's crazy, Brent. when this thing"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "flashes and we're getting a close-up"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "look. You almost you could see the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "structure of the craft and then it just"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "dissipates when the it flashes like it"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "almost flashes into another dimension."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "But look at that."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "Absolutely stunning footage. Look at how"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "you could see the black portion of the"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "craft in there and then it's gone."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "Pulsates out of existence. Incredible."}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "All right, let's get some more videos"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "into third phase. Smash that thumbs up."}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "Right, let's look at this once again."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "And uh it's interesting. No doubt about"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "it. Something hanging way way up in the"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "sky. And it almost looks transparent. As"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "we get a close-up look, it almost seems"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "that it's biological [music] or a"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "jellyfish up there, right? Wow, look at"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "that. That almost looks like a"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "Portuguese Manowar. This thing's just up"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "there probably about, I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "15,000 ft, 10,000 ft. And we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "this, like you say, this translucent"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "kind of"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "jellyfish"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "thing just floating up in the sky. It"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "looks like a biologic."}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "This It looks like a membrane brain."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "It's just crazy. When we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "this stuff, I I can't explain to you on"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "how bizarre this UFO field is. It's just"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "the videos coming in from the public."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "They they just blow us away every single"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "day. And I'm hoping you guys are getting"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "blown away with all the content that"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "we've been putting out over the past few"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "months. It's [music] been a wild wild"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "ride. Now, more videos coming in. This"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "one captured I think within 48 hours"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "in the Los Angeles area. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "this. It's strange. It lasts for quite"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "quite a while. Watch."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "One of the strangest experiments in"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "history suggest we could be living in a"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "simulation."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "All right, [music] that thing just took"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "off at a pretty amazing rate of speed."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "But look at this. This is just near the"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "ending portion of the video as it starts"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "off with two bright illuminated orbs"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "just anchored in the sky, not moving, no"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "FAA lights,"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "no indication of anti-colision lights"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "whatsoever. This thing just kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "remains stationary. The guy captured and"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "then a third orb appears"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "and it's just hanging over there. And"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "then what's kind of crazy is on how it"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "just takes off. Brett, what do you make"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "of this sighting?"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Yeah, it's not conventional. These"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "things, everything we're seeing here,"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "it's hard to explain what it is. It's"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "something new in the sky. And when you"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "just saw the two orbs and it produced a"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "third orb, it make it scratch makes you"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "scratch your head. What's what's going"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "on here? And then it Yeah, this thing"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "was just there, I think, for about five"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "minutes,"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "the person said. And uh we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "a really good clip right here."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "Yeah, it's just interesting on how it"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "just stayed there. And whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "if it's a drone, it's a pretty big one."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "I would say probably again 20 ft in"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "length at least. But again, just how it"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "was hanging up there in the sky for"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "quite some time was pretty interesting."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "But I like this part a lot just as it"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "basically is just anchored in the sky."}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "stationary and then all of a sudden"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "says, \"I'm out of here.\" This part's"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "really spectacular. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "behind the trees."}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "The guy's kind of trying to keep up on"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "it. We got a close-up look and then it"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "disappears behind the house. Incredible"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "stuff. Now, more videos into third"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "phase. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "All right, this broad daylight sighting"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "is quite amazing. at first is just"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "they're off at a distance, but when I"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "enhance this, get a closeup, we see"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "these three anomalous objects just"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "moving in the sky. Straight up craziness"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "right here. And when we get a closer"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "look at the top UFO, look, it almost"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "seems like it's like it's biological,"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "man. It's creepy, Brian. Yeah, this"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "thing's weird. Almost looks like they're"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "balls of smoke, too. Dark. And they're"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "like emitting some sort of like like"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "it's just a smoke cloud. It doesn't look"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "like a solid craft, per se. It looks"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "more like some sort of a a bunch of I"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "don't know. You could say smoke in and"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "just condensed. It's hard to It's really"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "hard to describe, but look at this. Look"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "at this. We have three objects. One at"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "the top's quite a bit larger, but each"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "one has its distinct look, and they're"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "both all of them are very unusual."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "I like this video."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "Again, 100% footage coming into"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. We're not messing"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "around with AI or CGI. We're going for"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "the real UFO videos. And you're in the"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "right place right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "Moon. We we disseminate the fakery"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "because it's all over the place. But we"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "we verify as best as we can the sources"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "who are posting these videos. [music] We"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "give credit as much as we can. And let"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "me tell you, what we're looking at here"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "is uh once again undeniable UFO videos."}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "It's just unexplained. And maybe if you"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "guys have any any opinions on whatever"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "these three craft are, we sure would"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "like to hear it in this live premiere."}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "All right, one more time on this video"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "and we're going to get to the next one"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "shortly. And this one at the top"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "definitely is creeping me out. Now, take"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "a look at this video coming in from"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "Costa Rica."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "I don't"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "say"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Right, let's get a close-up look on this"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "triangular UFO, diamond shaped UFO,"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "broad daylight sighting. The guy"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "actually got a really good shot of it."}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "Even those just moments in time, you can"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "see the smooth sheen on this thing. It"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "It looks aerodynamic if you ask me,"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "Brian. Certainly does. It doesn't look"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "like it's tumbling. It seems like it's"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "on a mission. It's on a course and it's"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "steady and it's not like rocking like a"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "balloon. This thing's seems like it's"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "uh, you know, under intelligent control."}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "And when you get these close-ups, they"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "it shows a lot of dynamic qualities to"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "it. You can see the sharp points to it"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "on the edges on the edges and at the"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "top. This thing's probably about, I"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "don't know, 20 to 30 feet. Some people"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "might say it looks like the sports model"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "that Bob Lazard talks about."}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "I'm looking at this thing. It almost"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "looks like the luxury model. This"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "thing's a badass ship."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "This is a badass video, Brent. Look,"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "it's broad daylight. No manipulation."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "There's a I think that's a radio tower"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "below there. Maybe it's interested in"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "the technology,"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "but it seems like it's on a mission that"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "it's under some intelligent control as"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "it's just flying across the freeway"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "there. These people pulled over on the"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "side of the road. Everybody's like"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "pulling over saying, \"Look, look. UFO"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "envi.\" And uh when we get a close-up"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "look at this, I just like the design on"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "it. It just it just screams"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "extraterrestrial, if you ask me. This"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "isn't man-made. This is something else."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "All right. Now, let's get to the latest"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "documentary coming in from Dr. Steven"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "Greer. We went out to Washington DC, my"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "brother and I, along with Apolla to"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "speak with firsthand whistleblowers, not"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "secondhand, third hand, fourthhand like"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "you see in the Congress. We're speaking"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "with firsthand military whistleblowers."}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "Part of the special forces with their"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "encounters with off-world technology and"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "the ramifications"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "of them being whistleblowers. It's very"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "dangerous for these people to come"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "forward. And let me tell you, this new"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "documentary, Beyond Top Secret: The Era"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "of Disclosure, it's going to blow you"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "away. And it's available right now on"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "Amazon Prime. The link is in the"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "description. I suggest you guys watch it"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "right away. Now, take a look at the"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "world premiere trailer for Beyond Top"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "Secret: The Era of Disclosure."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "Dr. Steven Greer has stepped to the"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "podium at the National Press Club once"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "again, [music] but this time he is"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "flanked by a new vanguard of truth."}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "Highlevel insiders who have defied the"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "secrecy machine to [music] bring forward"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "names, dates, and classified operations."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "What we're doing here is a preemptive"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "strike."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "This is my push back."}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:46", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": ">> I know when they were made and I know"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "who precisely is being blackmailed and"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "is there for compromise in the US"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "government. [music]"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "If I don't get whacked after that, it'll"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "be a miracle."}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "The implication again was we're watching"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "you keep your mouth shut. [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "And that's where we went through the"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "skiff type of checkpoint and [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "that's where the off world technology"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "room was."}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "former Green Beret who has been involved"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "with some what are called psionic"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "programs [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "interface like conscious AI with an ET"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "craft and have it [music] within range"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "to be struck where it's then downed"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "to build a relationship with the NHI get"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "them in close enough to be exploited"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "that they're up against something that's"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "much more powerful [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "that has more funding"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "It has more cutting edge technology"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "and these people can be ruthless."}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "It's a very complex problem because you"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "have what I call the foxes in [music]"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "the hen house."}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "I think the president and his team have"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "their work cut out for them."}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "So, watch the Dr. Steven Greer film."}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "It's available right now on Amazon. And"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "let me tell you, these whistleblowers,"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "what they had to tell us, it was quite"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "amazing. Randy Anderson, US Army, US"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "Marine Corpse Roger Castle."}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "New information coming in from Marine"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "Corpse Michael Herrera along with Army"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "Green Beret Mike Batista. They explained"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "their encounters"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "with off-world tech and let me tell you,"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "Dr. Greer pulled no punches. It was his"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "push back to what was going on and is"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "going on right now in DC with regards to"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "disclosure. Brent, yeah, I got to say,"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "we've done, I think, six Dr. Greer"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "documentaries, but this one, I got to"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "say, is the best one yet. There's This"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "isn't a joke. This is Steven Greer's"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "best work. And he he explains and blows"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "the lid off of everything that's going"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "on in Washington with a ton of new"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "information. And these brave"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "whistleblowers that come forward is"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "they're giving out stuff that the world"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "hasn't heard ever. And they were there."}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "They were there in the deep black"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "budgets and they're talking about heavy"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "duty stuff that could change the world."}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "This is exciting. I'm I really can't"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "wait for the world to watch this."}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "Absolutely. This uh this documentary,"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "everybody is firing on all cylinders."}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "It's explosive information and uh let me"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "tell you, you will not be disappointed."}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "New information, new whistleblowers,"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "the documentary Beyond Top Secret, the"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "era of disclosure. It's available right"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "now on Amazon Prime. Hit that link. It's"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "in the description."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "And tell your friends about it, too."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "Everybody,"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "this is something that you need to"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "watch."}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "submit it [music] to us right here at"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. We're standing by right"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "here at the base. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "description. Upload that video and copy"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "paste it to my email. 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[{"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "You've got Blake and Brent Cousins and"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "we're going over the crazy videos just"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "sent to Third Phase of Moon. Buckle up."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "We're looking at one right now. A series"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "of lights and a black shadow up in the"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "clouds over the building. And when we"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "add some brightness, contrast, this"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "thing pops. What the heck are we looking"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "at? This is incredible footage into"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "third phase. Brent, what do you make of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "this? Wow, what a great way to start"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "out. Look at that craft up there in the"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "sky. We notice these green lights with"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "this kind of black mass in between the"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "clouds. It's kind of hidden in the layer"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "of the clouds itself. This is fantastic"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "footage."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Now, when we're looking at this thing"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "with the brightness and contrast, in my"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "opinion, we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "massive. The size of a football field,"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "incredible footage coming in from around"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "the world. This thing's almost the size"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "of a building. Look at this thing. I"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "don't think these are just individual"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "drones. Look at the plasmic green"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "display coming off this craft."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "It just seems that the world is on on"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "edge because these UFOs, they're getting"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "bigger. It seems they're not hiding."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "They're being spotted across different"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "countries. And this is nonetheless one"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "of the most craziest videos I've seen"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "this week, Brent. Yeah, indeed. This is"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "again a brilliant capture. And when you"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "do add that brightness contrast, you see"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "it pop. Look at that. It looks like a"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "huge like blimp, but it's not a blimp."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "this dark and kind of blimpshaped craft"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "with these illuminated halo of green"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "lights surrounding it. This is This is"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "one of the best videos I've seen in a"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "month. You're right, Blake."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "No, it's just hard to tell. Is it maybe"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "some individual lights up there or is"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "this just a cloud and there's a hole in"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "the cloud or is this some kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "cloaked craft? And you're seeing kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "the outer perimeters of the structure"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "with the with the green light. And when"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "that brightness contrast kicks, it's"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "interesting,"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "right? We've got a lot of videos in this"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "episode. So, let's get to it. This one's"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "a pretty trippy one. The family"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "witnesses the phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "do nothing."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "You could hear it in their voices."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "They're excited. Vi UFO. And uh we're"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "getting a sidebyside comparison. The"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "original video to the left. I blew up"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "the one to the right and added some"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "brightness contrast so we could get a"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "look at this massive event. some kind of"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "craft above the cloud layer. You we lose"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "sight of it just for a second and then"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "it reappears as it traverses across the"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "sky. Whatever it is, this shook the"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "family up. They're excited though at the"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "same time, right? Yeah. Look at that"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "display. There's something way above the"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "clouds there almost in the stratosphere."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "Some people may say this could be some"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "sort of rocket launch. I'm not sure."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "We're looking at like you say like this"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "event that's taking place and the people"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "on the ground are they're unaware of"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "what this thing is."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Look at the speed and the velocity of"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "this thing as it travels"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "above that cloud layer."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "You know, it's interesting the halo"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "effect on the front of this orb that's"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "pulsating lights. It's almost like a"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "spiral, but then it has a light cone at"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "the front edge of it, which is kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "bizarre to me. And again, this guy, he's"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "panning. He got the whole shot. And the"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "whole family is excited. I don't blame"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "them. Look at as we look at the"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "beginning of this stage that there is"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "this massive plasmic cone on front and"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "then kind of the spiral lightning uh the"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "underneath of it is a spiral type of"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "plasmic energy. Again, it's hard to tell"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "exactly what it is, but it's up there"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "100% legitimate footage coming into"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "third phase of moon. We're not showing"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "AI or CGI. You're in the right place if"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "you're looking for the authentic legit"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "footage and we got it for you. So, let's"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "get to the next one right now."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "Recently, we've had these massive smoke"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "rings appear. And I think this happened"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "in Mexico. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "something that's crazy. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "helicopter in comparison to size of this"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "massive smoke ring. Brent, wow, that's"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "incredible. Actually, it was really hard"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "to notice how big this thing. But when"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "you have the helicopter given this"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "reference of frame on how large this"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "smoke ring is hovering above the water"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "over there, we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "pretty amazing here. Yeah, that"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "helicopter seems like it's this little"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "toy up there comparatively to this"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "massive ring. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Yeah, just a few days ago we shared um a"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "similar type video in an industrial"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "park. You heard a loud boom and but this"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "one coming out of Brazil. And as the"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "video pans back, you don't see any"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "industrial"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "buildings down there. You don't see the"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "source of this ring. And apparently this"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "helicopter pilot or whomever's in the"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "helicopter, they were interested in this"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "event. And look how close they are to"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "circular vort vortices, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Yeah. Again, just uh looking at the size"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "of this thing, it makes you wonder what"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "created this and the helicopter. I'd"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "sure like to see the the helicopter, the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "pilot's view of what he's seen within"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "the cockpit of the helicopter itself."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "This is an amazing shot. Is this a"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "natural phenomenon or or something else?"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "What created this is a big question."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Let's just watch this again."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Yeah, I zoomed it up a little bit so we"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "could get a closer look. And again,"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "we're playing the video in slow motion"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "at points just to make out. Look how far"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "this is off at the distance. I would say"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "this thing's probably about I don't"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "know, once again, the size of a football"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "field. This ring, this is huge. And I've"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "never seen a helicopter in the"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "comparison to one of these things"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "before. This is this is something new in"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "my opinion with regards to smoke rings"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "and helicopters in close proximity to"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "each other."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Yeah, the reference right there just it"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "like I said, it just showcases the size"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "of this thing with the helicopter"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "hovering right next to this massive"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "smoke ring, this kind of vorticy."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "I would like to see a little bit longer"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "as this what happened with the rest of"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "the footage, but just looking at this,"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "we could rule out any AI or CGI. We're"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "looking at the real deal. And again,"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "this thing's it's just an amazing"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "capture. That's all I got to say here."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "Yeah, super cool stuff. Now, guys, we"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "want to get your opinions. Your comments"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "really help because we learn from you as"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "well. We're We're not the experts on"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "UFOs. We're the experts at getting the"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "videos out as fast as possible. That's"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "what we do here at Thirdphase Moon. Your"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "opinion matters, so let us know in the"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "comments. Now, let's get to the next"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "video."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "Breaking news of a orb"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "or a metallic sphere. It's hard to say."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "And this one's coming out of the Bryce"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Canyon National Park in Utah."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "All right, let's watch this once again"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "before we get to the next video coming"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "into third phase. I got a closeup of it,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "this thing. And uh it it looks like a"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "perfect sphere of light and it's over uh"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "a park in Utah and it almost looks like"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "pure energy. I love these videos, Brett."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Yeah, look at the illuminosity and the"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "perfect symmetry of the circumference."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "It's perfect. What an amazing capture."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "Again, like you said, like we got the"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "best UFOs coming in. Let's just take a"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "look at this one."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Oh"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "All right, the sky is on fire. Look at"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "this thing. I'm going to get a closeup,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "a sidebyside comparison, and whatever"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "was captured is quite amazing. This"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "fiery display of the unknown. And um let"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "me tell you, this thing seems like it's"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "a distressed UFO, like it's on fire or"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "something. It's pretty crazy, Bryant."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "Yeah. Could this be a celestial event or"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "is there some sort of tragedy that's"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "happening in the skies? I don't know."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Uh, I think there's it's kind of on the"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "playbook that we're allowed to shoot"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "these things down, bring them down for"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "their technology. Could this be another"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "a shoot down event? Hard telling, but"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "we're definitely seeing a streak of fire"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "in the sky. He's panning around seeing"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "if anybody else has seen this event. And"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "look at the flames coming off of this"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "Yeah, I don't see any pyroex like"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "connected to a drone or anything. And"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "I'm going to rule out celestial event. I"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "don't think this is natural. Something"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Something's on fire up there. Guys,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "what's your thoughts on this? Is it a"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "distressed UFO? A possible shootown of"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "one of these things?"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "Man, that's crazy footage coming in."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "This side by side comparison, you really"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "make out the energy. And I'm not seeing"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "any craft on fire. I just see sparks and"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "flames. That's crazy stuff. All right,"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "let's get to the next video. We're"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "coming into third phase. We're not"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "slowing down. Let's roll it. Smash that"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "thumbs up."}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Can you see what it is?"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": ">> It's four dots and like a diamond. But"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Yeah, but they're moving together."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "They're like"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> I can't see what it is"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "and they're just going around in"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "circles."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "Oh no, it's disappearing."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "It's just gone down to two green dots."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Now they've gone white."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> What the is that?"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "I can just about see them. They've gone"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "really, really dim."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "Yeah, they look really spaced out on"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "screen."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Well, whatever they are, they're"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "separate."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "That's not stra."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": ">> not only have they changed distance,"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "they've also changed"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": ">> they've changed color"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": ">> and they've changed Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "They've also changed the"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:00", "text": ">> cuz when they were moving around to"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "start with it was like four of them and"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "they were moving in a circle like they"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "were a part of one thing."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": ">> It looked like four little bangs to"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "begin with. That's what I was like what"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "the bloody hell is that?"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "They've gone really dim, but they're"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "still sort of"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "barely there."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": ">> All right, let's get a sidebyside"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "comparison. Hartcliffe, England."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "We're looking at something that is uh"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "pretty amazing to me. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "thing. It took a bank and then these"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "lights separate. I'm adding some"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "brightness contrast. I blew up the video"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "to the right about 400% and then these"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "things almost turn into a pyramid shape"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "of multi- multi lights lighting up. This"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "is pretty weird, right? Yeah. To say the"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "least. Look at this display. This is"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "dynamic. Look at the motion this this"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "objects or objects are taking. They seem"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "to be in sequence."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "They're aware of each other's turn"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "again. Are is this like a cluster of"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "energy or is it one craft connected?"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "Look at the again just like the last"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "video. These things seem like they're on"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "fire. Here it goes again. Another bank."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "It almost looks like four orbs"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "as they're con as if they're connected."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "Then it just kind of seems to disappear"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "and fade out. Look at this. Look at"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "that. They're gone almost. Well, now"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "they're just two orbs. They were on fire"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "basically like five or six orbs on fire"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "moving in unison. Now they just changed"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "from kind of like a light blue almost"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "transparent. It just doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "And this video lasted for approximately"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "a minute or two and we're looking again"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "once again 100% legitimate footage. No"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "manipulation."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "What just happened? cuz it just from the"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "very beginning of the video to what"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "we're looking at at now, it's just it"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "totally changed its shape and its flight"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "dynamic. They were it was banking from"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "left to right and then they just kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "dissipated into these two orbs."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "Yeah. Everything looked like it was on"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "fire. Four of them. Four. It It looked"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "like it was connected. It was like a"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "just a craft in itself. But now look at"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "these orbs. Like you say, they look"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "almost bluish white. Now they're quite"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "separated from from each other. What"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "happened to the other orbs and the"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "flames that seem to have distinguished?"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "Now we just see these charged like"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "orbike clusters, two of them just"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "hovering in the night sky over there."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> And you could barely see it on the video"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "to the left, but after I add added some"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "brightness contrast, you still make it"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "out just faintly. But we like showing"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "the whole video from uh the beginning to"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "the end. And you know, kind of at first"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "I thought there might have been jet"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "fighters that were doing some kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "pyroche maneuver,"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "but I could rule that out. These aren't"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "jets or drones. The And again, there are"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "multiple plasmic orbs, and now we're"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "just seeing these last two slowly fading"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "away. But guys, don't go anywhere. We"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "got a lot of videos still in this"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "episode. It just keeps getting crazy."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "But once again, what happened over H"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Heartcliffe, England is a question. Look"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "at these things. They're they're fading"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "out into nothing."}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "Just slowly disappeared. That's pretty"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "amazing. From the beginning to the end,"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "people say, \"I want to see the end of"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "the video.\" Well, there you go. He's"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "trying to zoom in and just barely make"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "it out. These things are pretty much"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "dissipated. They're Their intention was"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "still unknown. What were they doing is"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "my question to everybody. Give us your"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "opinions, guys, in this live premiere."}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "We're broadcasting from the Hollywood"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "Hills. Where are you guys from? All"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "right, let's get to the next video right"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "now. Third phase."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "All right, that's You know, this is"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "amazing. We we're receiving two videos"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "coming out of Brazil in this episode."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "And let's get a closeup of the the the"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "bell, the bell, the Glock, whatever you"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "want to call. That's what it kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "looks like to me. And look at the cap"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "stone on top of over there. It's almost"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "like like a bottle top, right? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "Look at that thing. While this person is"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "driving on the freeway, actually catches"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "catches a really good shot of this"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "thing. This thing's massive. You see"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "this kind of nodule at the bottom,"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "but I don't see a tether keeping this"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "connected to the ground. It seems to be"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "flying on its own accord. More like"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "covering this thing static in the sky."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "Look at it just anchored up there going"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "behind the the power lines. This is"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "legitimate footage. Awesome stuff. No,"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "when we get a closeup here, Brett, look"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "at that. It almost has patina like this"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "is made out of cast iron. It looks"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "metallic and whatever it is, it seems"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "heavy in the sky with its own rigid core"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "to its purpose of design. It's strange"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "what we're looking at. All right, more"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "videos into third phase moon. Hit that"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "thumbs up everybody. Let's roll it."}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "All right, we're looking at breaking"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "news coming in from Los Angeles almost"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "similar to what's been going on in Tran"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Iran. And we're looking at this thing"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "and it is very similar. And this thing,"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "a sequence of one, two, three, four,"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "five, six individual lights"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "lit lit up, changing colors, and uh it's"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "remaining"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "stationary in the sky. It's not even"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "moving."}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "At first, I thought these could have"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "been individual drones, but I'm maybe"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "leaning towards one large craft. Brent,"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "what do you make of this?"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "Yeah, very curious. LA's a hot spot for"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "UFOs, and San Diego's been lighting up"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "this week. And here we go again. The"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "phenomenons back. Look at the the bend"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "that it's making right now. Are these"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "connected? They're almost turning into a"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "different huge of colors. But now we see"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "from the beginning a straight line of"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "orbs, these bluishlike orbs."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "Is this one craft or again are these"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "separated orbs flying on their own"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "accord? It's a big question. Again,"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "we're looking at something way off there"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "in the distance. This is large. I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "saying the size of maybe a school bus,"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "maybe even bigger. Here it is. Look at"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "the Now the lights are changing. And"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "look at it actually bend right there on"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "the bottom right of this."}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Yeah, this is kind of reminding me of"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "the Phoenix lights. And uh again, it"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "it's turning almost into a vector-shaped"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "craft right there. Totally changed in"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "its flight characteristic of its design."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "Look at right there as we repeat it once"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "again on how it changed its shape."}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "And once again, like you say, Brent,"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "this thing's off at a distance. I would"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "say it's a little bigger than a school"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "bus,"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "maybe about 200 feet in length. It's"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "It's hard to say to, you know, we have"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "those trees as reference. We kind of see"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "the how the camera is focused on the"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "trees, and this, in my opinion, is still"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "way off at a distance past the trees."}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "So, this thing's pretty large and it"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "definitely got this guy's attention."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "That's for sure."}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "And then the sequence of lights, this"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "kind of like start to bend into"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "a vector-shaped craft"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "with the brightness and contrast. You"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "could really see these orbs pop, too."}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "He's out of focus right there. And then"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "he brings it in perfect focus. Right."}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "Right about He's still trying to focus,"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "but man, there it is. He's got it. Good"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "job."}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "What a great capture right here at third"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "Incredible times. Something is going on"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "around our planet. You know it. I know"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "it. You could feel it."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "Moon. We're standing by right here at"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "the base. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "description. Upload that video and copy"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "paste it to my email. Send it to us."}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "Keep your eyes on the skies, everybody."}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "We're not alone. And watch more UFO"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "videos right now. We'll see you"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "tomorrow."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Today we're sitting down with Dr."}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Michael Salah. Michael was a peace and"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "conflict professor at American"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "University just back from East Teour and"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Kosovo when he decided UFOs belonged in"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "the curriculum. The Washington Post"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "wrote about him. The university showed"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "him the door. He spent 25 years building"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "a field he calls exopolitics. And I"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "can't research a story without tripping"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "over his work. Today we're covering the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "night Eisenhower went missing in 1954."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "The president vanishes for a night and"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "the story is he was at the dentist and"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "that's what I told Gertie after my"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "weekend in Reno."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Did she buy it?"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> She did not. Nobody with teeth this"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "perfect goes to the dentist. They go"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "gambling."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Anyway, we'll also be covering why"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Michael thinks Space Force was the real"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "disclosure and a soldier named JP who"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "says he seen what's hidden under a"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "mountain in Alabama. He also told me"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "about a body on a beach in Grenada in"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "1977 and what the prime minister did"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "about it at the United Nations. I'd"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "never heard that story and I was"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "surprised."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> The UN actually did something. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "human, that's the most alien part of the"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "story."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> I don't disagree. Stick around after the"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "episode. I'll pop back in and untangle"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "the conversation. Let's go down to the"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "basement."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Dr. Sol here. Um, I need to thank you"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "because I don't know if I would have a"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "platform without you"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> because you're I can't really I don't"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "research a story and not find something"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "that you've already covered. You're a"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "great resource. So, thank you."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> You're welcome. Yeah, but I've had"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "plenty of time to do it."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> You do a lot of stuff. Um before we get"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "into the um"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "all the good stuff, I want to talk about"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "what you're doing in East Teour and your"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "diplomacy work there. Um you said you"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "you said that you had a lot of success"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "getting the Timories and the Indonesians"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "to talk."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> Could you give us just a quick"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "background of what was going on there"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "because it's it was pretty violent."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": ">> Well, that's right. Yeah. and how and"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "how you got that how you got them to"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "work together."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Right. That was the I went to East Tour"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "1993 and 94"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "December January of those years and I"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "spent two three weeks there and I was"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "just touring the island of East Teorg"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "interviewing people just interviewing"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "all the Timaries what's it like I mean"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "are the Indonesians treating you well or"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "is this a very bad situation that you're"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "in and most of the East Tares were like"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "no we're in a very bad situation and"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "some were kind of like very hesitant to"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "reveal what's going on and very"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "frightened and they all watched and I"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "remember probably one of the most vivid"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "instances was I was interviewing a"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Catholic preach priest in East Tour and"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "he was telling me about how the"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Indonesians were repressing the Timaries"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "that Tim is a Catholic Portuguese colony"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "ex-port colony and the Indonesians being"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Muslim and he saying that, well, right"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "now there's a guy that's watching"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "watching us talking and as soon as you"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "leave here, he's going to come in here"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "and he's going to beat me up and get the"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "information from me about what we talked"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "about and and and that was a Catholic"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "priest and"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> that was a Did that really happen, do"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "you think, to him?"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was he was"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "shaking. I mean, as we're talking, he"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "was shaking because I was a a researcher"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "from Australia and the Indonesians had"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "this deference to Australians. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "because I guess they had a little bit a"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "lot to fear or some some fear that the"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "Australian authorities would give them a"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "hard time at the United Nations and they"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "already had a big problem with Portugal"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "that was really championing the East"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "Timories cause. So I went there because"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "I just that was one of the areas that I"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "was very interested in like ethnic"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "minorities and how are they treated by"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "the majority and of often it's horrible"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "and and so that's that's what I found"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "that's what I confirmed and I and"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "probably one of the most vivid things"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "that happened after I left East Tour"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "actually I got arrested"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> you got arrested there?"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Yeah in East Teour"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> for what? I I tried to meet the guerilla"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "leaders, one of the guerilla leaders"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "because it was like was part of my"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "research. And so I I met someone and"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "they said, \"Well, you know, there's the"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "guerilla leadership uh here and they're"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "fighting against the Indonesians.\" And"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "so I said, \"Well, let's I'd like to meet"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "them.\" And they said, \"Well, can you"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "write some questions?\" And so I wrote"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "some questions and they said that they"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "would arrange for a meeting. Well, it"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "turns out that the Indonesian security"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "officials got my questions. the the guy"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "that got the questions from me. I guess"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "he was detained or maybe he was a a"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "double agent or something. But next"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "thing I know, I I get raided by the"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Indonesian police and they are like,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "\"Well, we hear you're trying to meet"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "with the guerilla leaders.\" And"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": ">> was it the Valent? I forget what they're"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "called,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> right? Yeah, that was uh so long ago"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "now. Uh but uh the Timuriz gerillas were"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "fighting in the hills since"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> East Timor was invaded in 1975."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "So so they were really very determined"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "to resist to the very end. And and at"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "that time and we're talking 1994"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "uh the the guerillas were still very"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "active. It was a war zone. You had to go"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "through"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> police checkpoints or army checkpoints"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "as you're traveling around East Tour."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "So, were you detained?"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I was I was I was detained"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "and they asked me, \"Well, what what are"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "you trying to do? What?\" And I said,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "\"Well, I'm a researcher from Australia"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "and I want to know what's going on.\" And"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "I wanted to ask these questions and and"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "I guess I was fortunate because the t"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "the Indonesian authorities asked me,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "\"Well, uh what are your plans?\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "today I'm actually flying out of Dilly,"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "the capital of East Teimour, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "going to Jakarta. And so they said, \"All"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "right, well, we'll just escort you to"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "the airport.\" So I gathered my things"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "and they escorted me to the airport. And"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "so I got off pretty lightly."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> That was fine."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": ">> Yeah, that was that was fine. I was"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "like, I wasn't roughed up or anything."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "But I I guess that was the advantage of"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "being an a Australian at the time that"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "the Indonesian authorities did have a"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "certain fear of detaining an Australian"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "citizen and being given a hard time by"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "the Australian authorities. And so they"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "were happy for me to just flying to"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "Jakarta. And so I flew to Jakarta and"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "then I went to the"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": ">> another dangerous place."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> Well, you know, potholes."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Yeah. all over Jakarta. And so I went"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "there and I went to the Indonesian uh"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "what was it the ministry of information"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "and and I and I spoke to the the"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "minister of information Irwan Abadin or"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "the spokesperson I can't remember his"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "size title and he proceeded to tell me"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "how Indonesian treats the East Timuris"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "really well. The East Timories are very"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "very happy and I was just there. Is that"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "what they say?"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> They're impressed. Exactly. They They"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "are frightened. They're being harassed."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "They're intimidated. You know, I spoke"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "to dozens of East Tares and and they"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "were just, you know, just totally"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "intimidated living in this police state"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "war zone. And"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": ">> what's it like now there for them for"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "the East Marines? Well, after they"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "gathered, after they gained"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "independence, what was that? 1999 when"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "they had the the vote, the UN vote, then"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "they got their independence and and the"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "people that I had been interviewing and"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "organizing events with now suddenly"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "became ministers and prime ministers and"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "all of that. So, that was really that"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "was really cool to see."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> And is there still tension between the"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "with the Indonesians"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "I haven't been back so I don't know the"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "exact level of the tension but I I know"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "that the the T- Marines although very"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "happy to get independence of course."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> You've been in quite a few war zones."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> Why? Why?"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> East Teemo, Sri Lanka and Kosovo. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> What why why are you in war zones?"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "Again, it's just this I have this"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "affinity for ethnic minorities that are"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "oppressed by a majority that just"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "doesn't recognize their rights to"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "language or maybe political rights,"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "suppress their culture, that they might"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "suppress them on religious terms."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "And I guess it's a instinctive desire to"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "help people who are being oppressed by"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "larger groups and I've always been drawn"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "to that."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> Let me see if I get this right. You've"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "got um your first degree was a bachelor"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "of science then you moved into"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "philosophy"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": ">> and then political science."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> That's right. So it was it during that I"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "mean that's quite different to go from a"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "from a VS to philosophy. Was it during"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "that journey where you decided that you"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "had a mission because I've heard you"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "describe that you you feel like you have"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "a mission."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": ">> And you felt safe in these places?"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> I did. Yeah. Definitely. I"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> was it during your your academic"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "training that the mission appeared?"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "Well, after I did my master's degree on"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "Ludwick Vickenstein, the philosophy of"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "language, so very kind of obviously a"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "very esoteric topic. Yeah. I got"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "interested in the political philosophies"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "of ma Martin Luther King and Mahatma"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "Gandhi. And so in both of those case and"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "there were two others two other people"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "that champion non-violent resistance."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "And so that really attracted me. I was"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "very attracted to people that advocated"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "nonviolent resistance to oppressive"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "regimes and I wanted to study them and"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "support them and so that's what I did in"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "all the all those cases in East Teour,"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "Sri Lanka and also Kosovo there were"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "groups that were advocating non-violent"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "resistance and of course Martin Luther"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "King Mahatma Gandhi and and two others"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "Danila Doli from southern Italy and also"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "Dom Helda Kamar from Brazil were all"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "advocating non-violent resistance to"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "oppressive structures or groups."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "And so I like looked at that and I"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "wanted to help that. And so that's how"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "my academic career took off. I was very"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "drawn to these resistance movements"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "involving ethnic minorities that were"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "advocating peace."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> And this is citizen diplomacy, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "This is not working through official"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "channels."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "That's right. Yes. It was always citizen"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "diplomacy, always finding people"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "that were advocating non-violent"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "resistance and supporting them in some"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "way, like getting funding from official"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "organizations. I was able to raise money"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "from different organizations and we'd"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "hold workshops. We'd be funded by groups"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "like USA."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> Pentagon Pentagon's not going to fund"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "any of that."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> No, no, that's that's right. They"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "didn't. They in fact I remember um doing"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "something concerning the East Teour"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "conflict and it was was very clear that"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "uh uh Paul Wolitz who became a very high"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "level official in the uh in the second"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "Bush administration I mean he was"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "actually the US ambassador to Indonesia."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> That's right. He was"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:25", "text": ">> and and I was advocating on behalf of"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "the East Tauriz and I remember sitting"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "down and and and talking with him"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "because there was a kind of state"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "department element involved and he was"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "very clearly"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "sharing views that were sympathetic to"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "the Indonesians"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "of course. So and and that's"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "institutionally that's what they do."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "They always support the state actors."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "Yep. they have deals and and I was"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "supporting the the little guy and it's"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "like well the team want their freedom"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "and they you know they're willing to"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "fight for it using non-violent means and"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "they did deserve support and of course"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "they did have a lot of support from"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "different groups around the world and"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "countries like Portugal and to a lesser"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "extent Australia supported the Timur"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "resistance but the official policy you"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "at the big level in terms of the US"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "Australia"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "NATO European Union was to support the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "Indonesian state."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": ">> Yeah. And if we don't like the state,"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "then we just change it and support the"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "new one."}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": ">> Um you So what does success look like"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "when you're doing that kind of work?"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> So look, something quiet happened this"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "week that most people missed. A former"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "CFTC chair, the guy who used to regulate"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "derivatives, went on record. And what he"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "said should stop you cold. Congress"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "banned a central bank digital currency."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "The Fed swore it wasn't building one."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "This guy said, quote, \"That does not"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "mean we're not looking at how to create"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "one.\" Project Agora. Look it up."}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Meaning, soon every account you own"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "becomes a switch somebody else controls."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "And they've been telling you why they're"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "going to want to flip it. National debt"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "just crossed $40 trillion. Interest"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "alone over a trillion a year. Bigger"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "than Medicare and Medicaid combined."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "There's one way out of that math, and"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "you already know what it is. China's"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "central bank has bought gold 21 months"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "in a row. JP Morgan is telling clients"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "gold hits $6,000 by year end. This isn't"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "a prediction anymore. It's already"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "happening. That's why I trust Golden"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "Crest Metals. Physical gold and silver"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "you hold in your hand. It can't be"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "hacked, can't be printed, can't be"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "turned off. Go to wfilesloves.com"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "and get the free 2026 info kit. Or text"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "files to 638-257."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Yfileslovesgold.com"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "or text files to 638-257."}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "because when they flipped the switch, I"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "was gonna well cut it."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": ">> Well, it was funny like the success for"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "the East Tour conflict led to my demise"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "as as an academic. Yes."}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": ">> Cuz we actually did achieve success"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "which was that the T-Rise did get their"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "independence. So the the groups that"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "were advocating non-violent resistance"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "and and we were able to get the United"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "Nations involved in our efforts to bring"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "about a reconciliation or some kind of"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "agreement between the Indonesian"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "those Indonesians that was willing to"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "sit down and talk with the T-Rise they"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "sat down and they talked and they said"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "well let's come up with some kind of"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "power sharing agreement where you"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "Are you in the room for that? Are you in"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "the room with them?"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> What is that? What is that like?"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> Well, we got people from Indonesian"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "civil society to sit down with people"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "from East Timori's civil society."}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:46", "text": ">> Ah, so this isn't two generals in a"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "meeting."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": ">> No, no, no. This was these were members"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "of civil society from both and they were"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "willing to talk. I mean, this is one of"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "the things that I found in my career as"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "in peace and conflict resolution that"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "there's always people from both sides"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "that are willing to talk. It's only the"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "extremists that want to,"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": ">> right? I would bet that most citizens in"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "a conflict, whether it's America and"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "Iran, most citizens of these countries"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "would just prefer to sit down and talk."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:14", "text": ">> Totally."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> Mostly"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": ">> almost all, I would wager."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": ">> Yep. Totally."}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "So they want to sit, they want to talk"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "and and they can come up with solutions."}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "I mean and it's natural for them to"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "start talking about well you know what"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "are your needs what are your vital"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "interests you know these are the key"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "elements in conflict resolution whereas"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "politicians go for positions well you"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "know this is our max this is our maximum"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "domain uh demand or this is something we"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "will not compromise on they talk in"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "terms of absolutes positions whereas"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "people talk in terms of needs vital"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "interests and you could always make a"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "reach agreements when it's a need"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "because ultimately it's like well"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "someone has a need for security,"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "they have a need for financial"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "independence."}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "You can talk about that and you can come"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "up with solutions but if you talk about"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "positions"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "they tend to be win-lose. They kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "fix some outcomes. So this that's what"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "we're doing in conflict resolution"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "because if you tend to focus on you know"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "what are a party's needs and vital"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "interests then you can come up with"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "what's called variable some solutions"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "where you know you expand you literally"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "expand the pie"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": ">> and do you get push back from the"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "military establishment in these"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "countries and the power structures that"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "exist? Yeah, because they tend to just"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "get fixed on positions and in the in the"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "positions it's like well there's only so"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "much territory"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "that can be shared or or can be divided"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "up and so they tend to be these fixed"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "sum outcomes and and so in the case of"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "East Timor and the Indonesians it was"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "well East Teor is either going to be"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "part of sovereign Indonesia or it's not"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "and those are those positions. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "Yeah. Whereas with the conflict"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "resolution, it's like well can we come"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "up with something that you know like"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "like you like say in the case of uh say"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "Hong Kong or something that I mean"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "that's changed with China but up until"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "1999 Hong Kong was this sovereign"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "territory of Britain that was now going"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "through a a kind of autonomous stage"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "with China and the Chinese were going to"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "respect that for 50 years"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": ">> and and that was a a good bridging"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "solution. But then the Chinese reneged"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "when the Hong Kong population started to"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "protest and the Chinese said, \"We can't"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "let this get out of hand. We got to"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "crush this.\" And so they crushed it."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": ">> I I promised that we're going to do"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "aliens and at some point, but I mean I I"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "don't get a chance to I've talked to a"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "lot of political um scientists, so I"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "have I have questions. And now that you"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "brought up Hong Kong,"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "do you think we have a similar situation"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "coming with Taiwan? And is there citizen"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "diplomacy that can help there?"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "Because China's Taiwan would be useful"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "for them."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "Yeah, there's definitely a possibility"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "where the Taiwanese and the Chinese can"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "come up with a solution like autonomy or"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "something whereby you have one China,"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "two systems. I mean, that was supposed"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "to work with Hong Kong, but it didn't"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "because the Chinese saw that the Hong"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "Kong population were really agitating"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "for freedom and democracy, which they"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "never really had under the British."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:55", "text": ">> No, they didn't."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": ">> They didn't really have it under the"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "British."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:01", "text": ">> But when it became an autonomous part of"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "China, it was like, well, we want"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "democracy. and and the Chinese said,"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "\"Well, no, no, we got to put our we got"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "to put our thumb on this. We got to stop"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "it because they they're just going too"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "far now.\" But with the Taiwanese, the"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "Taiwanese really have had a their own"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "flourish in democracy since World War"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "II. So, you do have an opportunity for"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "for two for two system or or like two"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "political systems under the one"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "sovereign state. And and I think that's"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "possible that the Chinese and the"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "Taiwanese will eventually come up with a"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "solution, but the Americans,"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": ">> you know, got their kind of finger in"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "the pie and they can"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": ">> influence the outcome."}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't think China wants to go to"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "war over that or anything. I really"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "don't."}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:51", "text": ">> Yeah. There's there's no reason why they"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "should go to war and destroy"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:54", "text": ">> destroy"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": ">> what is a flourishing economy because"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "eventually China and Taiwan"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": ">> will merge to some degree. Now I I think"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "the Taiwanese because they have this"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "very vibrant"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "de democratic system and have had"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "international recognition up until the"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "1970s"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "that they'll be able to maintain their"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "their system"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "in the event of a solution with China"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "where they agree that okay you you have"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "your communist system on the mainland"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "we'll maintain ain our democratic"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "institutions"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "and we'll reach some agreement where"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "the Taiwanese army and the Chinese army"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "will merge or"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": ">> really do you think China will recognize"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "Taiwan as Taiwan?"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:54", "text": ">> I think they'll come up with some"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "solution where Taiwan can be peacefully"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "incorporated into into China without"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "there being a war. Well, that's the"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "thing is that it of course it can"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "because it always can. You can always"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "solve these without a war."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": ">> Yeah. And and there's no reason why the"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "Taiwanese and China need to go to war"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "because you you have a large percentage"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "of the Mandarin speaking Chinese on"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "Taiwan identifying with the mainland. I"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "mean, they're the refugees from Chiang"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "Kaishek's exodus from mainland China. So"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "they see themselves as Chinese. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "and sure, you see a another group of"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "Taiwanese that are more indigenous to"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "the island and they see themselves as"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "separate to Taiwan or separate to China"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "and and so they want to they're more"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "supportive of independence."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> Sure. But Taiwan is"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "does have those very powerful divisions"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "and you know the now they're in the"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "opposition the the kind of old Kumin"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "Tang party now they're in opposition but"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "they support some kind of reconciliation"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "with mainland China."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": ">> Well, sure a war would stop chip"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "manufacturer which would stop AI"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "development where China is doing very"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "well. That would all grind to a halt."}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "Nobody wants that."}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": ">> Except America maybe."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "I don't know what's going to happen."}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "Um, I want to go further back because"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "your CV had something very interesting"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "from 1984."}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "I think it was uh before your PhD, you"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "were an an emergency teacher for"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "Victorian education."}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:32", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah. I was a high school"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "teacher."}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": ">> Yes. So, like that's like a substitute"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "teacher. Um, what did that a substitute"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "teacher for like teenagers, right?"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": ">> It was in high school. A high school."}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "Yeah. So what did that teach you about"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "holding a room, holding attention?"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": ">> It was like the wild west in there. It"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "was like so many students"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "whose attention would kind of like"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "vary and you really had to find a way of"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "holding their attention and and that"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "took skill that took experience"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": ">> and I was a newbie at that time and and"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "I thought well coming from a university"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "and having these degrees that I would"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "just spout the information that needed"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "no"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": ">> caught and and that somehow they they"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "would appreciate it. It was like no, you"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "had to make it interesting. You had to"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "make them motivated. You had to appeal"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "to them in some way to like take this"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "seriously. And and and if you were if"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "you took the authoritarian approach, you"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "you'd lose them very easily. And I I"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "just wasn't equipped to do that. So, I"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "found out very very quickly that I was"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "going to be a a very uh poor teacher, a"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "very uh someone that couldn't hold their"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "their interest because I didn't really"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "find mathematics and science something"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "that was"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "so appealing to me at the time. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "I was good at it. I was skilled and I"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "got degrees and I could teach it at a"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "high school level. But I think with"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "teenagers, you had to be motivated. You"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "had to really believe it."}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:17", "text": ">> You do. Yeah. And you've got to be"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "tough."}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:20", "text": ">> And you can't fake that."}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:21", "text": ">> No, you can't."}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:23", "text": ">> You can't fake that."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": ">> Did you carry some of those lessons over"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "to being a host"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "about holding attention, making things,"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "adding a little bit of show business,"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "little drama to a story?"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:36", "text": ">> Totally. I mean, what I learned was that"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "you have to believe in what you're"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "doing."}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": ">> Yeah. You have to really feel that what"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "you're doing is so important and you're"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "committed to it."}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "And and so that's what I learned from"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "that high school experience that you"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "can't fake it. You can't do something"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "that you don't totally believe in. And"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "and this whole exopolitics journey that"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "I've been on since 2001, it's 25 years"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "now. You you can't fake something if if"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "you don't believe it. If you don't"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "believe that you're"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "doing researching or teaching or doing"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "interviews"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "on something that you feel to be"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "profound and life-changing and"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "tremendously value, valuable to the"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "planet and to people"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "that you have to believe that to your"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "core. You have to feel that. And if and"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "if you don't do that, you don't last. I"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "mean, people, you know, nowadays maybe"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "you can come along and fake it and make"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "a lot of money, you can do that. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "we see through that as the public. I"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "think authenticity and sincerity,"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": ">> large audiences can see that. They can"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "feel that. And that's,"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "you know, it's one of the things I like"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "about you is when you change your mind,"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "you admit it,"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:26:59", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "So, and that reminds me, you talked"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "about um Gandhi and Martin Luther King"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "non-violence."}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "You uh"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "I think you published a paper in 96 that"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "there is no nonviolent future. You just"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "come back from Christina."}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "Remember that paper?"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:20", "text": ">> Uh Christina Kosovo."}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. So, so you I mean so what"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "killed the Gandhian in you that you"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "didn't see a nonviolent"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": ">> Well, at that time I was still very much"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "committed to the nonviolent"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": ">> sure"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:41", "text": ">> uh path and in Kosovo at that time there"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "was a nonviolent resistance movement and"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "I was tremendously impressed by the"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "resistance of the Albanian minority in"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "Kosovo to nonviolent"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "to a nonviolent solution that they were"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "so disciplined."}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": ">> It really had to be there because it was"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "so violent"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:04", "text": ">> because there were Serb paramilitaries"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "there that were just ready to like start"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "ethnic cleansing. I mean that's that's"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "what it was and I was there. I I went to"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "uh Pristina and I saw that and and they"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "were very very they were very"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "disciplined. They estued violent"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "resistance"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "and so they set up their own school"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "system. They set up their own economic"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "system. They set up their own way of"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "regulating the population or organizing"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "the population. And and interestingly,"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "they taught only the Albanian language"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "rather than Serbian, which was a very"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "big move because it meant that the"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "younger population that were growing up"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "under this non-violent resistance, they"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "didn't learn the language of Serbia,"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "which was at the time supposedly in"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "charge of Kosovo because of the the"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "break up of Yugoslavia and and they"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "ended the autonomous status of the"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "Albanians."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": ">> Is this the regime?"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:14", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": ">> Did he and did he how did he allow"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "schools to be formed?"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": ">> Well, it was very interesting because up"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "until 1988,"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "uh Kosovo was an autonomous republic of"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "the former Yugoslavia. So, they had"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "their own education system, health"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "system, judiciary, police. They had they"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "had they ran it themselves. And then"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "Mallovich came in and he kind of just"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "threw out this new narrative that Serbs"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "are being violently suppressed and"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "harassed in Kosovo. And the Serbian"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "officials in charge of uh Serbia proper"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "at the time. Uh he was a old-time"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "socialist. He said, \"Well, this is"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "nonsense. The Serbs are being treated"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "well. There's no problem in Kosovo.\" But"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "Serbia, but Slovan Molassvich, he used"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "that to maneuver himself into power in"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "Serbia. So he became the president. So"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "he replaced the old socialist uh"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "president. And now all of a sudden"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "Kosovo was like this place where Serbs"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "are being harassed and being intimidated"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "and their churches destroyed and and so"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "he justified moving in and taking over"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "all of Kosovo's institutions. So now the"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "police, the judiciary, the uh all of the"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "education system, the health system"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "supposedly was transferred over to"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "Serbia's control, but the people that"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "were running those systems said, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "we're not going to work with you.\""}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:52", "text": ">> And that's and that's how the nonviolent"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "resistance took off. And there was a the"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "Albanian population of Kosovo were"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "fortunate that they had a leader Ibrahim"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "Rogova who was a Shakespearean scholar."}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "You know he's Muslim but he was a"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "Shakespearean scholar and he believed in"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "Gandian nonviolence and he said this is"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "the way to go."}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": ">> We need to resist the Serbs nonviolently"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "and make it a Gandian struggle. And"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "that's what he did and he got tremendous"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "support from the west especially the US."}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "They supported that and things began to"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "unravel in 1999 when all of a sudden"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "there was this shadowy group called the"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "Kosovo Liberation Army that just kind of"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "came up"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": ">> and they were like really into Vi armed"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "struggle and they had lots of weapons"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "and and there's a whole story as to how"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "how they got those weapons and and they"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "were they were wanting to fight and and"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "of course then that led to the NATO"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "intervention and we know the story But"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "up until that time, Kosovo was was all"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "about non-violent resistance. But then"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "in 1999, it it shifted to this armed"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "struggle dominated by the KLA and the"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "non-violent resistance kind of like was"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "subsumed by the by the the violence that"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "just escalated really really quickly."}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "First in the rural areas and then in the"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "urban areas of of Pristina."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "So yeah, so ultimately after all of"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "that, after what happened in Kosovo,"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "after what happened in"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "East Teour, I got disillusioned with the"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "whole non-violent resistance. And by"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "2020, 2001,"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "I was looking at other ways in which I"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "could help solve international conflict."}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "And so I was looking at well could the"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "US"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "come up with humanitarian intervention?"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "Could the could the US be a force for"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "good in terms of like a moral cycle that"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "there was if you look at US foreign"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "policy that it goes through cycles of"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "like a hero's journey. So I looked at"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "those things and then in 2001 that's"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "when I stumbled onto the whole ETX"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "politics"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "phenomenon and I got hooked really"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "really quick."}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": ">> You got hooked on May the 9th 2001."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:25", "text": ">> That the so the infamous is not infamous"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "the famous the uh press club that run by"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "Dr. Greer."}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:33", "text": ">> And um boy everybody was on there. 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See the"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "Bitcoin disclosures at"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "cash.app/legal/mpodcast."}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I was still teaching. I was"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "a university professor. Yeah, I was"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "teaching"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:03", "text": ">> um at"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:07", "text": ">> American University and I watched that"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "press conference or on video the video"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": ">> replay of that"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "and I listened to all of those"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "witnesses, the 21 witnesses Greer had on"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "there. And because I'd done so much"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "fieldwork, you you develop a six sense"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "for when people are lying and telling"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "the truth. And I could tell these were"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "people telling the truth as best as they"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "could reveal it. And they were scared. A"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "lot of them were scared."}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:31", "text": ">> I mean, some of the people were so"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "frightened that they wouldn't even"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "testify."}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:37", "text": ">> That Daniels Salter, for example, was"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "one person that was supposed to testify,"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "but he didn't because he was so"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "frightened of what would happen to him."}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": ">> And I could see that. It was like when I"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "interviewed that priest in East Tour"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "that was frightened of what would happen"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "when I left. I could see that same"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "desire to tell the truth, but also the"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "fear of the consequences for telling the"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "truth in a lot of those witnesses. And I"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "knew they were telling the truth. Knew"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "it straight away. And it it just rocked"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "my world because here I am teaching"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "international politics to graduate"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "students at American University. They"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "were paying 30,000 a year. We're"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "supposed to be giving these students the"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "best education possible about what's"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "really driving international conflict."}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "And when I saw that press conference, I"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "realized that there's a whole dimension"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "that's being ignored here. We got to"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "look at all of this to really"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "understand the dynamics of international"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "conflict. And so that's when my research"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "just took a very different turn."}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "And I at first I was very naive. I"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "thought that well university being a"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "place of truthtelling and independent"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "research or academic research,"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "scholarship and all of those fine things"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:36:59", "text": ">> people would support this. Of course"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "they would. Well, they would have to"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "support something revealing something"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "revealing these hidden truths. But I"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "found the opposite."}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": ">> Well, how did you broach that? How did"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "you first broach that? you. So, you"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "watch the press conference, you're blown"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "away like we all were. You go to work"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "and what? Knock on your boss's door and"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "say, \"I want to start bringing some of"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "this into the curricula.\""}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": ">> Exactly. That's what happened."}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:27", "text": ">> And you thought he'd be excited."}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:30", "text": ">> I thought he'd be supportive cuz he had"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "been supportive in every other thing I'd"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "done while at American University."}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:37", "text": ">> Well, Kosovo is a whole different place"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "than Darkfleet. I mean this is very this"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "is very new"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:42", "text": ">> I guess. So"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:44", "text": ">> so did you leave that meeting I guess"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "would have been a meeting just sort of"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "disheartened."}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:51", "text": ">> Well it began"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "in a very encouraging way. I was told"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "that okay as long as I could do this in"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "a way where I would not bring dispute to"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "the university and make it clear that"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "this was my personal interest that that"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "would be okay. So that was the that was"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "the agreement I had reached with uh the"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "people in charge of the program I was"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "involved in at the time at American"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "University. Uh but that changed when the"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "Washington Post did a feature article on"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "me"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:28", "text": ">> February 2004."}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:30", "text": ">> But before that article you had you had"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "the Press Club listed on your favorite"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "links on your faculty page,"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "I mean I mean you were you were"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "rebelling against the institution"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "already"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": ">> right? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "I was talking to other faculty members"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "and saying this is what's going on."}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": ">> What what do you think? And and I was"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "being told by other faculty members that"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:53", "text": ">> yeah we we think something like that"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "like that's going on but we don't want"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "to risk our careers"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": ">> of course."}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:03", "text": ">> And so I found no support there. I I did"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "contact Steven Greer um back in 2001 and"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "I got to meet him through a an"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "intermediary and we agreed that I would"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "host him at American University. I"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "thought I would organize an event with"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "Steven Greer. So I booked the hall and I"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "was working out everything with Steven"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "Greer and and then eventually the"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "university or my boss learned that I was"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "going to be doing this work and and"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "doing more related to this UFO field."}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "And he said no."}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> He said no."}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": ">> We don't want you to associate the"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "university in any way with this. just"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "make it your own personal interest and"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "keep it completely separate to your"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "university activity. So I was told to"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "stay away from it and not associate it"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "with the university."}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:02", "text": ">> And you must have been aware of of Dr."}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "Mack and and Harvard at that point about"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "because what they did to him."}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:10", "text": ">> That's right. Yes, I was aware. And at"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "that time I was very interested in"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "meeting uh Dr. Matt."}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:15", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:18", "text": ">> did you ever get a chance to meet him?"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:20", "text": ">> I didn't apparently, and this is"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "anecdotal, I was told that he had a copy"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "of my book on his desk and he was going"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "to read it and and that would have led"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "to us meeting at some point or talking"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "at the very least, but then he gets"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "mysteriously hit by a truck in England"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "and he's gone."}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:40", "text": ">> Mhm. That's right. Stepping off a curb."}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:42", "text": ">> So that was very sad."}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "So yeah, that was that those those were"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "difficult years from 2001,"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "you know, to 2004 when when I was trying"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "to keep a foot in the door of academia"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "and and do my best to"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "bring this into my in the into the"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "program I was trying to introduce at"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "American University. But the more I"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "looked into it, the more real it became,"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "the less I could ignore it, but the more"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "resistance I found,"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:12", "text": ">> of course. What were you supposed to be"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "teaching? Political science."}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:20", "text": ">> I was supposed to be setting up a peace"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "ambassador program. So in 2004, sorry,"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "2001 to 2004, I was supposed to set up a"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "peace ambassador program,"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "training people for how to promote"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "peaceful resolution of conflicts around"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "the world. And and so that's what I was"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "supposed to be doing. But as I'm doing"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "research into that, I'm finding out that"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "well, there's this whole level of"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "suppression concerning UFOs,"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "extraterrestrial life. We need to talk"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "about this. So, let's bring this into"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "the curriculum."}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> Well, it makes sense because it's a"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "first contact story to an ambassador for"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "peace tracks with first contact. I would"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "think the skills are the same. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:07", "text": ">> exactly. It's like you're going to be"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "meeting with extraterrestrial visitors"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "and you're going to somehow"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "mediate a solution to the conflicts that"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "exist between the off-world visitors and"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "our our planet and and of course you"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "know there are many conflicts u"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "involving that that's occurring and so I"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "wanted to start teaching that but the"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "university hierarchy that I was working"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "through at the time didn't want anything"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "to do with that. And so I eventually"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "was told that the program would end"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "after this story came out in the"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "Washington Post."}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:51", "text": ">> Yeah. And it and they told you I think"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "by a phone call. You didn't even get a"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "courtesy meeting. Got a phone call."}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:57", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:58", "text": ">> I was threatened in that phone call."}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": ">> You were threatened?"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:04", "text": ">> Oh yeah. by the university."}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:07", "text": ">> I was threatened by the deputy head of"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "the center that I was studying in that"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "if the Washington Post put out an"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "article and that it in any way portrayed"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "the Center for Global Peace in an"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "unfavorable light, then I would not have"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "my position renewed and the program"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "would be cancelled. And I thought the"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "story was very balanced when it did come"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "out. Peter Carlson from the Washington"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "Post. I thought he he I didn't think he"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "was being disrespectful. I think"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:37", "text": ">> I don't think so either."}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:39", "text": ">> He was he just brought up both sides of"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "their argument. Yeah, it didn't. But the"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "university said no, this is something"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "that brings disrepute to us."}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": ">> Even positive coverage of that topic,"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "they don't want."}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": ">> That's right. And that was a another big"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "shock to me because I always assumed as"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "an academic that when you have a major"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "newspaper,"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "a paper of the record like the"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "Washington Post covering your research,"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "that's something to be celebrated."}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "That's that's an achievement that most"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "academics would love something like that"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "to happen"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": ">> because your research is being"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "recognized. Many thousands, hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "thousands of people read about it. Uh"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "but that wasn't the case. It actually"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "really torpedoed my university career at"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "the time and and I really had no future"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "after that in in university and I I"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "found that it wasn't just the university"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "department. It was also peer-reviewed"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "journals like I wrote a paper explaining"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "the need for exopolitics this new field"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "that I thought had to be created for"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "this discipline and this journal the"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "journal for peace research that I had"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "actually published for previously they"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "they had published one of my articles"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "and I had actually been a peerre uh"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "peerreview referee"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:45:02", "text": ">> for so the editor knew me he wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "even pass on my article to to the"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "reviewers. He said, \"Nope, this is not"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "something we at in any way are going to"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "publish in the journal for peace"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "research.\" And and and that was my case"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "for why this exopolitics research"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "deserved to be studied in in peace"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "research."}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:23", "text": ">> I it's something I think most people"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "don't know about you is that before all"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "of this, you were published. You were"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "very active in that community. You did"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "go to these places. You did teach, you"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "did do all of these things before that"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "dis that disclosure conference,"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:40", "text": ">> right? Yeah. And I was being interviewed"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "by major media. The BBC would interview"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "me regularly. I was on MSNBC at the"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "time, media appearances. So,"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:50", "text": ">> I was getting that exposure cuz I was an"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "expert on East Tour and and Kosovo and"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "those were very hot topics. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:46:01", "text": ">> Uh but once this issue came up and I"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "made that my the focus then and but once"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "the university career ended then it"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "became very hard to get any kind of uh"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "mainstream media attention."}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:12", "text": ">> Sure. That in 2004 certainly I've heard"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "you say that you think that you might"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "have been set up with that article. Do"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "you still feel that?"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:21", "text": ">> I do wonder about that. Like who would"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "set you up? The university"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:25", "text": ">> who whoever it was was very very subtle,"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "very very sophisticated"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:30", "text": ">> because it wasn't a hit piece."}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:32", "text": ">> It wasn't it was it was done in a way"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "was really"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "making my research known to a very wide"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "audience. And the condition for me"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "staying at the university was that I"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "needed to keep this as a private"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "interest and keep it separate to the"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "university. And and that worked as long"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "as I wasn't known publicly, but once"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:56", "text": ">> But then you went on Coast to Coast,"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "didn't you?"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:46:59", "text": ">> Yes. George George Nory did me on Coast"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "to Coast."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:04", "text": ">> That's not flying under the radar to do"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "Coast because I think you did that in"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "2003."}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:10", "text": ">> Yes, he had. So you're still at AU then?"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "Yeah, I I think you did"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "The Edge. You did uh Mysteries of the"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "Mind. These are radio shows while you"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "were still at AU. Did Did anyone at work"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "come up to you and and say, \"Hey, I"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "heard you're on New Or the other night.\""}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:26", "text": ">> Yeah, that's funny. I I never got any"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "push back for for being on any of those"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "shows."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "It was only the Washington Post cuz that"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "was that I think really got out there to"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "a mainstream audience. Whereas I guess"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "Coast to Coast, The Edge, those other"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "shows were kind of like a fringe"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "audience."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:42", "text": ">> Coast had 10 million listeners."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:43", "text": ">> Did you ever get a chance to talk to"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "Art?"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": ">> No, I didn't. What?"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> Apparently, I was I was going to be"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "interviewed by him"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": ">> and Heather Wade was the producer at the"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "time. And so she lined it up that I was"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "going to be interviewed by Art. This is"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "when he moved to Midnight in the Desert."}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:03", "text": ">> And just before the interview, like a"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "couple of weeks, a few weeks before,"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:06", "text": ">> I know it's funny. got threatened or his"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "family got threatened and he said, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "not going to do this anymore.\""}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> He retired again."}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. And and he turned it over"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "to Heather Wade and Heather Wade is"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "like, \"I can't do this.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "\"No, Art said, no, no, you can do it."}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "You can do it.\" And so I was then"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "interviewed by Heather Wade rather than"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "Art Bell, which I I really would have"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "loved to have been interviewed by Art"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "Bell because I think he would have been"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "a great interviewer. It would have"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "pushed me. Well, he came back to serious"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "after Midnight"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "for a little while and then he retired"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "again and I think then he went to"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "YouTube to do Dark Matter and then"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "retired again. I I forget."}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:42", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": ">> but I remember Heather Wade was saying"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "he was really freaked out"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:52", "text": ">> that that they were that they were"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "threatening him and monitoring him"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:56", "text": ">> on his property. So, yeah, I think they"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "were really frightened of Art Bell. I"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "think just because he had this enormous"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "outreach and a loyal audience and he"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "could affect or get millions of people"}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "to get on board with whatever guest or"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "whatever issue he was putting out there."}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "I think they had to shut him down."}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:17", "text": ">> I I think so too. Um, and sometimes I"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "worry about that cuz he is the by far"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "the biggest influence on me and what I"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "do is Artbell. His approach to these"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "stories with curiosity and respect and"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "never condescending. No matter how wild"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "the story is, you never hear Art Bell"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "call someone nuts or anything like that."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "He just lets them tell the story. That's"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "what I do. And I I don't believe most of"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "the stories. I considered myself a"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "skeptic,"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:44", "text": ">> but I still enjoy them and I think they"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "should be told respectfully."}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": ">> Yeah, that's something I really liked"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "about Art Bell and uh it's unfortunate"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "that never got to do an interview with"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "him. Would have really enjoyed that."}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": ">> Yeah, I think we all would have enjoyed"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "President Eisenhower,"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "I I love the story and I've covered the"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "um the dentist, the Palm Springs. He was"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "at the Palm Springs. He disappears for a"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "while. They say it's the dentist. I"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "couldn't debunk I could not debunk this"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "story. I couldn't say what this is."}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "1954, I think."}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:29", "text": ">> That's right. I couldn't I don't know"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "what happened, but you have some great"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "theories on what happened to Eisenhower"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "that day."}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": ">> Yeah, I did the research on President"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "Eisenhower's"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "meeting with the extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "ambassadors at Edwards Air Force Base"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "and I did a an article."}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:48", "text": ">> Well, did you did you find Well, take us"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "back to the I mean, he's on the golf"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "course or something. He gets ushered"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "away. I think the Secret Service lost"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "track of him for for a while. Like for a"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "full day, the president was they didn't"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "know where he was."}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:03", "text": ">> He disappeared. The press call couldn't"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "find out who he was."}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:09", "text": ">> Yeah. And his personal Secret Service"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "detachment did not know where he was."}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "Did Were you able to find out like how"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "he got out of there?"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:19", "text": ">> I did. I did eventually. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "I found a whistleblower, Bill Kirkland,"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "who was a medic with the US Air Force,"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "and he was stationed at Norton Air Force"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "Base in 1954."}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "And and he was a medic and he was called"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "to the base in 1954 when President"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "Eisenhower went missing that night. and"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "and he said that he saw Eisenhower"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "arrive at Norton Air Force Base and then"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "get on a plane to be taken to Edwards"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "Air Force Base."}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:57", "text": ">> Right. Which is pretty short flight."}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:52:00", "text": ">> Exactly. And so he confirmed that"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "Eisenhower had been taken to Edwards Air"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "Force Base. And so that was confirmation"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "when when I I came across Bill"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "Kirkland's testimony. So this was after"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "my initial research at because at the"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "time I did the literature review. I"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "found all these stories out there"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "circulating out there. I found there was"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "one"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "there was a widow of a MP who confirmed"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "to me that her husband was at Edwards"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "Air Force Base and Eisenhower showed up."}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "I've read her testimony"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:35", "text": ">> and he went to a hanger and there was"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "the body, the remains and and so forth."}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "But Bill Bill Kirkland, he was the one"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "that that really kind of like anchored"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "it for me because he was able to confirm"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "that yes, Eisenhower did go there."}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:51", "text": ">> Well, that's his important testimony"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "because that throws the dentist story"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "right out. Now, that's absolutely false"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "because of Kirkland."}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:53:02", "text": ">> Exactly. So what what did Eisenhower see"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "there and why did they feel the need to"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "yank the president out of a vacation?"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "Why was it so urgent do you think?"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "Well, the timing was very very"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "interesting because it was I think March"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "1st which was the going to be the test"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "of the I think it was the Bravo test the"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "thermonuclear weapon and and so the"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "meeting at"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:26", "text": ">> that's right"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:29", "text": ">> Edwards Air Force Edwards Air Force Base"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "that happened 10 days or yeah just under"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "10 days so somewhere in that window"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "before the uh Bravo test of the hydrogen"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "bomb"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "that was being launched by the"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "Eisenhower administration that the"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "previous test I think it was called Ivy"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "Mike happened under the Truman"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "administration and and that happened"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "just before Eisenhower got elected. So"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "it was like it locked him into the"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "nuclear weapons program."}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:00", "text": ">> Yes, that wasn't a hydrogen bomb though."}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "I don't I don't think"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:07", "text": ">> the the first one 52"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "uh just before the 52 election it was"}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "the the very first thermonuclear weapon."}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "It was a test under the Truman"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "administration which which locked"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:19", "text": ">> the Eisenhower administration onto a"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "path because I think that well what"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "happened was that you know this is my"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "understanding of of the events was that"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "the people that were against the"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "development of thermonuclear weapons"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "knew that Eisenhower because of his"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "status"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "had the ability or the status to be able"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "to say no to that and so they decided"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "that they would fasttrack it under"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "Truman so that by the time Eisenhower"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "was elected it was a fail complete that"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "the United States was testing hydrogen"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "bombs. So the the the first test under"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "Truman was uh the test of a device. So"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "it wasn't an actual bomb, but the 54"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "test that was"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "scheduled to happen. I think it was"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "March 1st was scheduled to happen. Uh"}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "that was the bikini at"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:21", "text": ">> the 15 what was it? 15 megat tons. Well,"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "but it was actually 60 megat tons of"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:25", "text": ">> it was way more than they expected."}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:27", "text": ">> Exactly. And and and so"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": ">> that's when aliens are like, \"Okay, that"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "enough. Now we have to get involved"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "enough with this.\""}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "And that gives a rationale for why"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "Eisenhower was called to go to Edwards"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "Air Force Base a week or 10 days before"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "the first test of a nuclear device at"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "the Bikini Atal because the beings that"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "would be influenced by that the"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "were really appealing to him not to go"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "forward with this that this would be"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "very very dangerous. So is this is a"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "meeting that happens at the hanger at"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "Edwards?"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:08", "text": ">> It happened at Edwards Air Force Base"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "and and there were many accounts me"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "lane."}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> Yes. uh talked about that that meeting"}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "and he talked about the uh group of wise"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "men that were assembled along with"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "Eisenhower to meet with you know he they"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "called them the Athetheranss and and"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "they landed and that they had the"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "meeting and and there was this"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "tremendous onlogical shock suffered by"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "all of the people that were there the"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:40", "text": "military people that saw what was going"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "on. But Eisenhower was surrounded by a"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "national security team that were very"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "much on board with nuclear weapons"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "development."}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": ">> Absolutely they were. Um when he gave"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "his his military-industrial complex"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "speech, he got a lot of flack from his"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "team over that. Um so what did the"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "aliens look like in 54 to Ike and what"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "was the"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "exchange they wanted to what was the"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "deal they offered? uh didn't they say"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "all right you stop nuclear weapons and"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "here's what we'll give you what was the"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "offer and what did they look like"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:18", "text": ">> right well according to me lane and"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:20", "text": "others that talked about the meeting the"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "appeal was to stop nuclear weapons that"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "these are very very dangerous weapons"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "and that if the United States"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "went down that path of prescribing"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "thermonuclear weapons that they would"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "help the extraterrestrials would help"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "with spiritual knowledge and help the"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "situation get"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "kind of more peaceful on planet Earth."}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:48", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:50", "text": ">> and that just didn't appeal to"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "Eisenhower's national security team. But"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:55", "text": ">> Lockheed doesn't need that."}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:55", "text": ">> Rathon doesn't need spiritual awakening,"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:58", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> They need airplanes."}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": ">> Well, there were a lot of scientists,"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "prominent scientists, Oppenheimer, for"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "example."}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:08", "text": ">> Sure. that were opposed to nuclear"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "uh fusion or"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "thermonuclear weapons. They were totally"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "opposed to those weapons systems and"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "very active. So is Einstein. I think 40"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "or 50 of them signed that letter."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:21", "text": ">> And this is where it gets very"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "interesting because you have to ask"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "yourself, well, of those prominent"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "scientists that really tried to prevent"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "the development of thermonuclear"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "weapons, many of them have been linked"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "with extraterrestrials. Oppenheimer and"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "Eisenhower. Sorry, Oppenheimer and"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "Einstein in particular uh were"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "responsible for writing a research paper"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "on establishing diplomatic relations"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "with extraterrestrials. That's one of"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "the majestic documents that have been"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "released."}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:58", "text": ">> Yes, that's right. I have questions"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "about that about that those documents."}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> Right. So, so that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "documents that's out there. But I I"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "believe that the scientists that were"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "opposed to thermonuclear weapons, they"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "were being influenced in some way by the"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "extraterrestrials to take that very"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "strong stance."}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:17", "text": ">> What do the extraterrestrials look like?"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "Are these"}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:20", "text": ">> humanl looking?"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:22", "text": ">> Are these the Nordics?"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:26", "text": ">> These are the Nordics. These were the"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "ones that look very much like us. And"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "they were very different to the group"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "that met with Eisenhower the following"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "year, Hollowman Air Force Base, which is"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "not as well known that meeting, but it"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "happened about a year later. And Bill"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "Kirkland again turns out to be a key"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "witness to this cuz he was stationed at"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "Hullman Air Force Base. So he released"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "his DD214. And so I have a copy of that"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "and I have made that available."}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:58", "text": ">> So you know where you know he was there."}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:00", "text": ">> He was stationed at Hullman Air Force"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "Base as long as DD 214"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:03", "text": ">> and it was that was a landing, wasn't"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:09", "text": ">> Another landing. And this time it was a"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "he described three craft that arrived at"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "Hullman Air Force Base. One of the craft"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "landed, the other two hovered in the"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "vicinity."}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:20", "text": ">> There's video of this."}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "That's where it gets very interesting"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "because there apparently was another"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "incident in 1964 and people get the two"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "confused."}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:27", "text": ">> It's that one. It's that one because"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "it's Yeah, it's because it's color."}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "You're right. It's 64."}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:33", "text": ">> Yeah. The 64 incident is is a different"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "one because the Bill Kirkland incident."}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "He described that in 54. He was there"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "and and there have been other other"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "witnesses who Art Campbell did a lot of"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "really pioneering research on finding"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "some of the other witnesses that saw"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "Eisenhower's plane land at Hullman Air"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "Force Base."}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "And and so there was this landing at"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "Hullman. Eisenhower"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "went to a large hanger where people were"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "assembled, airmen were assembled and"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "gave some address. And then he met with"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "the extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "and they were described as grays. Tall"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "grays."}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:20", "text": ">> Tall grays."}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": ">> That's right. A different group. A"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "different group to the ones that he met"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "at Edwards Air Force Base. Because you"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "would think the Nordics are probably"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "easier to digest ontologically, right?"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "Because they're more humanl looking."}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:40", "text": ">> They'd be the ones that probably people"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "would not feel too shocked by being in"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "the presence of,"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": ">> but the ones"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": ">> at Hollowman were these were the tall"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "grays"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:54", "text": ">> and some people connect them to the"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "Germans. So that's that's another aspect"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "to that Hullman Air Force Base. So"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "that's going to be a really interesting"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "historical question as we learn more of"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "what really happened."}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:09", "text": ">> But the 55 incident, I think is one that"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "was very important because that appears"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "to be when agreements were reached. And"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "there have been people that talked about"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "the Grenada agreement. I mean, you"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "you're probably aware of Phil Schneider."}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "I'm sure you I think you actually did a"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "show on Phil Schneider."}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:26", "text": ">> I did. Phil Schneider, the underground"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "base. He's the Dulce base,"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:27", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:29", "text": ">> Whistleblower."}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:31", "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah. So, he's a very"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "interesting witness right there."}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:37", "text": ">> And he's another uh suicide."}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:42", "text": ">> Yeah. 6 months after he came out his"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "suicides. And uh so so I I I think that"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "there is a very interesting sequence of"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "meetings"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "and it's very interesting that there was"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "a document that was released"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "that was leaked another alleged majestic"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "document and this is based on a defense"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "intelligence agency"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "briefing to an incoming"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "uh member of the Majestic 12 group which"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "and I did well the person who did the"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "most research on this was Dr. Bob Wood"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "and he was the former McDonald Douglas"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "scientist and he did the most research"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "on that DIA document and he thought it"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "was very authentic and and from what I"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": "found it was very authentic"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:33", "text": ">> and that document talked about a meeting"}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "or that document talked about the 1948"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "Aztec crash."}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:41", "text": ">> Mhm. and that one of the surviving"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "aliens that was humanlooking, not not"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "very tall,"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "was a guest of the Truman administration"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "for a year and set up the foundation for"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "future diplomatic"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "agreements"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "and that he when he left, so we assume"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "1949 he left that the agreement was a"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "tenative agreement had been reached."}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "And that was something that culminated"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "in maybe the 1954"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "meeting at Hullman. But very interesting"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "was that the in that 1989 document, it"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "talks about three extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "infants being left behind to be raised"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:30", "text": "by humans. And another interesting thing"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "was that the extraterrestrials said that"}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "well we're going to have to do the same"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "in the Soviet Union because there's a"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "recip reciprocity that we follow here."}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:45", "text": ">> Um what do you think was negotiated at"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "that 54 meeting?"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:51", "text": ">> I think the 54 meeting was unsuccessful."}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "I I think other attempts to stop the"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "nuclear weapons because the Soviets I"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "don't think have tested yet in 54. I"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "think the first was 57."}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:00", "text": ">> That's right. Something like that. There"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:04", "text": "was the um Adams for Peace initiative"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "that Eisenhower launched in 1953"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:08", "text": ">> and I think Eisenhower"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:11", "text": "was"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "being influenced by those groups. I"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "mean, we know the scientists that were"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "against Irma nuclear weapons and and he"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "was wanting to put all nuclear weapons"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "research under the control of the United"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "Nations and that"}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "the weapons would be prescribed and that"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "nuclear energy would be used for"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "peaceful purposes. That was the"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "proposal, the Adams for Peace proposal."}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "But that came out at the same time as"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "Joseph Stalin died."}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "And so the new collective presidency of"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "the Soviet Union were too frightened to"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "go along with this because each was"}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "afraid that well if they agreed with the"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "Americans that others would look at them"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "as as betraying the Soviet Union or"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "making the Soviet Union weak that that"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "the Soviet Union had to develop its own"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "nuclear weapons. And so they, you know,"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "they continued on their path to"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "developing uh nuclear weapons. And so"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "they ultimately ignored the atoms for"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "peace."}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:18", "text": ">> Yeah. I just covered the uh the so the"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "history of the Soviet UFO program. It's"}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "and it's intense and it's real. So going"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "back to 45, I think they started their"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "program. So that's pre- Roswell. And"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "they had their own crashes. They had"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "their own situation where they see a"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "craft over a nuclear missile base and"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "and all the equipment shuts down just"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "like what happened with the Minute Man"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "missiles and I think it was 67 to us."}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:46", "text": ">> That's right. The Soviets have a long"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "history of UFO crashes"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:47", "text": ">> and"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:49", "text": ">> retrieval"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:51", "text": ">> and studying the craft and trying to"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "reverse engineer them. And"}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:54", "text": ">> I don't think they were as successful as"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "the United States."}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:59", "text": ">> No, I don't think so. Um I know a lot if"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "if for people listening you can look"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "into um Sakalov George Nap went and"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "talked to"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "Sakov"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:09", "text": ">> there's a lot of great met him"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": ">> you met him"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:15", "text": ">> I did in Italy very interesting guy he"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "wasn't very supportive of of my thesis"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "that Eisenhower had met with extras say"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "well that's nonsense and he had this"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "very gruff kind of like Russian approach"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "oh nonsense no way that could happened,"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "we would know about it. It's like very"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "interesting colonel."}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:34", "text": ">> Yeah, he's Yeah, I I love I love his"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "story. Um, let's take a quick break and"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "we'll come back and I have questions"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "about telepathy."}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:42", "text": ">> We have to jump around a little bit"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "because I have to ask some of the"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "questions that the audience wants me to"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "ask."}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:49", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:51", "text": ">> Which of course I want to know. Um,"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "what do you make about what do you think"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "about the the 1952 book? 1952 visit"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:01", "text": "story, Strangers at the Pentagon."}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "Remember that one? That's the Valiant"}, {"start": "01:08:01", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "Thor story, which I don't fully buy. But"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "there's some stuff in that book that's"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "interesting. And I think it happened"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "that's the same year as the UFO flap"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "over Washington."}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:16", "text": ">> Frank Strangers, Stranger at the"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "Pentagon. Yeah, he's a very interesting"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "guy. I I actually went and visited him"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "at his office and we actually had him"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "come out to Hawaii for a conference as"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "well. Wow. What was he like?"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:30", "text": ">> He was"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "you could feel something different about"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "him. There was this very gentle, very"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:40", "text": "highly evolved"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "presence to him. So I we knew that he"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "was well very genuine and very"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "significant in some way. and he struck"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "me as the sort of person that would be a"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:54", "text": "contactee that would would meet with"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "extraterrestrials and that was something"}, {"start": "01:08:54", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "I could feel in him. His work was very"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "hopeful."}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:04", "text": ">> It was he was a reverend. He also had a"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:06", "text": "background in law enforcement which gave"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "him a lot of legitimacy."}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "But the paradox I had with him from the"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "very get-go was that I was sat in his"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "office and he had a lot of certificates"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "on his uh office wall, you know, PhD"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "degrees and all of that. And you know,"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "being a PhD myself, I was very"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "interested. And so I took photos of some"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "of these and and then I checked them"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "out."}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:34", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:37", "text": ">> I checked them out and they were fake."}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:40", "text": ">> Oh no. And that was the paradox. It was"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "like, what the f is going on with this"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "guy? I mean, he feel he felt authentic"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "and he had this incredible story, but"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:52", "text": "he's displaying fake certificates."}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "And"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "the way I could reconcile it in my mind"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "was that somehow he's pressured to do"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "this."}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:01", "text": ">> Pressured from"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:03", "text": ">> that that was the condition for him to"}, {"start": "01:10:01", "end": "01:10:05", "text": "be able to do the work, to be able to"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "reveal what's going on."}, {"start": "01:10:05", "end": "01:10:12", "text": "And and that is something that I had"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "come across earlier on in my career that"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "anyone whether it is in this field of"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "eupfology"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "or in"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "any kind of conspiracy genre if you are"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "the real deal"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "you need to discredit yourself."}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "You need to have something in your past"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "or something around you that can lead"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "you to be easily discredited. Otherwise,"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:41", "text": "you'll be killed or removed from the"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "scene. And that was how I reconciled it."}, {"start": "01:10:41", "end": "01:10:45", "text": "I thought, well, okay, this guy feels"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "like the real deal. His story is"}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "amazing,"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "and he's really got an impressive"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "background, but he's got these fake"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "university degrees on his wall. And it's"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:00", "text": "like anyone that does basic your basic"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "due diligence will find out that these"}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "aren't these aren't real."}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:05", "text": ">> So do you discount his story after"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "learning that?"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:09", "text": ">> Well, this is the this is the key. It's"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:11", "text": "like you do you throw the baby out with"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "the bath water and and my approach has"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "been no."}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:16", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:19", "text": ">> look at look at that person. look at"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "what they have to offer and understand"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "that well it's possible that this person"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:33", "text": "has displayed fake degrees on his wall"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "because he is doing so because that is a"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:38", "text": "condition for him to be able to operate"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "and talk about these humanl looking"}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "and and if you look at it from the"}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "perspective that this is"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "one of the most tightly guarded secrets,"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "the existence of these very highly"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "spiritual human-looking"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "that have been interacting with us since"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:05", "text": "Eisenhower and even earlier and that"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "contactees from the very beginning,"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "people like George Adamsky, Howard"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "Manganger and so forth"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:14", "text": ">> were deliberately targeted, discredited,"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "made to look like hoaxes and scammers"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "and grifter"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "that that was part of the program to"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "prevent these humanlooking"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:25", "text": "extraterrestrials being taken seriously."}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "So here you have someone like Frank"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "Strangers saying he met Valiant Thor at"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "the Pentagon and"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:33", "text": ">> and his crew"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:35", "text": ">> and his whole crew"}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:37", "text": ">> and yeah and the crew and then had"}, {"start": "01:12:35", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "contacts with him over the years. It's"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:46", "text": "like, well, someone doing that would"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "either be elimin eliminated or if he is"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "someone that does have a a law"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "enforcement background and is a reverend"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "and someone that has very powerful"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:59", "text": "protectors that the agreement or the"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "compromise was that yes, you can talk"}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:05", "text": "about it, but you need to discredit"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "yourself and and that right away. I"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "mean, any researcher that looks at"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "someone with a a fake university degree"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "hanging prominently on their wall is"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "like, \"Well, you're going to dismiss"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "that guy and throw the baby out with the"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:19", "text": "bath water.\""}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:21", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "I have to be careful about that"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:26", "text": ">> because I think I would have thrown it"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:29", "text": "all away."}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "Maybe I need to rethink my approach,"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "you know, and and looking into your"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "work, it's made me want to rethink my"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "approach a little bit and be a little"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "more open-minded. Yeah, I think there"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "was this, as I recall, he was a Chip"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "Tatum, as I recall, was someone that was"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "involved in the whole drug running"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "scheme for the CIA"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:53", "text": ">> and and he said the same thing that he"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "had to disc that and he he was the one"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "that introduced me to that idea that"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "that if you're the real deal, if you"}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "know this stuff,"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "you need to discredit yourself publicly"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "to stay alive."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "Why do you think"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "humanlooking extraterrestrials don't"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "reveal themselves?"}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "Or have they?"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "Well, they have revealed themselves to"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "private citizens and public authorities,"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "but it's never been announced to the"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "world through the mass media because the"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "people who control the mass media don't"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "want that information getting out. You"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:40", "text": ">> why don't why not?"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:41", "text": ">> It would give people hope. It would give"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "people"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:47", "text": ">> of course"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:50", "text": ">> spiritual knowledge that could detract"}, {"start": "01:14:47", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "from major religions."}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "It would destabilize the the current"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "economic system whereby free energy is"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "something that would be real."}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "Anti-gravity"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "would be real. holographic"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "electromagnetic healing technologies are"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "real. So these are the things that"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "threaten the whole status quo and the"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "the elite, the military-industrial"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "complex."}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:20", "text": ">> It's it's almost a joke answer. When"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "people ask me when disclosure is going"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "to happen, I tell them when we've run"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:27", "text": "out of oil is when it happens."}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "That's why there's no disclosure because"}, {"start": "01:15:27", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "of oil. That's really all."}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "what do you make of Because it reminded"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "me the 64 Hollowman landing. That's"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "that's my favorite UFO video. That's my"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "favorite one. Um, and I've seen a lot of"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "I've seen a lot of good ones, a lot of"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:49", "text": "bad ones. That one I love. That landing"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "is attached to the project Serpo story."}, {"start": "01:15:49", "end": "01:15:53", "text": "I don't know if you know that one."}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "That's the exchange program between this"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "alien planet and the United States"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "military. Do you think there's anything"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "to that? That's that's another Richard"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "Dodie story,"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:06", "text": ">> right? Well, I know the 64 meeting at"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "Hollowman and Robert Ebenegger being"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "given the film and being promised the"}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "whole film to then be released in a"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "documentary which he produced, but then"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "at the end they withdrew the film at the"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "last moment and and apparently just a"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "small piece of the film made its way"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:28", "text": ">> into the documentary. So that's very"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "interesting. Now the connection to the"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "project sero very interesting I always"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "looked at project sero very suspiciously"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:41", "text": ">> Richard Dodie Robert Collins"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:44", "text": ">> the all the aviary guys"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:46", "text": ">> those guys were very very tricky they"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "were like"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:52", "text": ">> trying to follow their arguments and and"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "I I I knew Bill Ryan at the time and he"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "struck me as someone that was very"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "credible and and he was very committed"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "to the project Serbo story and and"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "getting it out there and substantiate"}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "substantiating it and I think Bill"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:08", "text": "Ryan's a very competent person. So he"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:10", "text": "thought there was something to it but I"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "always felt there was a significant"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "amount of disinformation. So, I kind of"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:18", "text": "kept away from it. Just my six sense"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "kept away from that one cuz I just felt"}, {"start": "01:17:18", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "this is this has too much of the whole"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "military intelligence community's hands"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "all over it."}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:28", "text": ">> That was my take on it as well. Um, when"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "I covered it, it's just I it just has"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "too much of the lore wrapped into it."}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "And when Dod's involved, suddenly it"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "just gets really really messy. Do"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "what do you make of him?"}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "He so he's Air Force intelligence. He"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "does disinformation for a living."}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "Basically destroys Bill Moore's career"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:53", "text": "and now says most of what he said was"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "true. The things he said to Linda"}, {"start": "01:17:53", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "Moldenhau are true. The things he said"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:18:01", "text": "to Benitz were true."}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:03", "text": "I think the things he said to Benowitz"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "were substantially true and that"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "Benowitz did"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "take photos or did intercept the"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "electronic communications of"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:17", "text": "whether they were extraterrestrials,"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "whether they were part of a highly"}, {"start": "01:18:17", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "classified program out of Kirtland Air"}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "Force Base that Benitz was on to"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "something. And I suspect that what"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "happened was that Dodie was his his job"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "was to"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "feed Benowitz a certain amount of"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "disinformation or steer him in a certain"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "direction that would exaggerate"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "something that he already knew that and"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "this is the classic case of well you"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "know Benowitz for example Dodie sorry"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:55", "text": "Benowitz would"}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "find or in his communications s he would"}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "come up with a translation that well"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "there's these great extraterrestrials at"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:07", "text": "Dolce underground base"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:09", "text": ">> that are conducting human experiments"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "and there are firefights and all of"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "these things"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:18", "text": ">> well Dodie would take that information"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:20", "text": ">> and exaggerate it I mean that's classic"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "how"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:24", "text": ">> classic counter intel"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:26", "text": ">> exactly you you exagger exaggerated and"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "so you get the exaggerated version to be"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "believed by the target and that target"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "then kind of gets subtly steered away"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "from the substance of what they"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "discovered. So, you know, and Paul"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "Benowitz wrote, not Paul Benoitz, um"}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:48", "text": "Paul Bishop wrote that book Project Beta"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:50", "text": ">> and and he totally dismissed Paul"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "Benowitz and said, \"Well, everything"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "that Benit said was a product of Dod's"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:58", "text": "disinformation.\" I I wrote an extended"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "critique of that book, Project Beater,"}, {"start": "01:19:58", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "and and I disagreed with um"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:08", "text": "Bishop in that book. I I thought that"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "there was substantial truth in what"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "Benowitz had found and and it matched"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "what others were saying about this"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:20", "text": "underground facility at Doulce"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "and that there were underground"}, {"start": "01:20:20", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "projects being conducted there, that"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "there were witnesses that had emerged"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:32", "text": "from those projects that talked about"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "biological experiments and humans being"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "kept in cages."}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "and that they were being horribly"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:41", "text": "abused."}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "That is one of the more unsavory aspects"}, {"start": "01:20:41", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "of the whole"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:48", "text": "exopolitics field that there are these"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:50", "text": "humans that have been"}, {"start": "01:20:48", "end": "01:20:53", "text": "captured and maybe they've just taken"}, {"start": "01:20:50", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "off the streets, street kids or people"}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "that are homeless that are then taken"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "into these underground facilities and no"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "one misses them on the surface and"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "they're just caged and used in"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "biological experiments. And I suspect"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "Benowitz had stumbled onto some of that"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:11", "text": "and was putting out some of that"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "information, but DO's job was to"}, {"start": "01:21:11", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "discredit him. And I think he did a"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:17", "text": "really good job."}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:20", "text": ">> He certainly did. And I think he's still"}, {"start": "01:21:17", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "on the job. Um, you know, you talk about"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "abductees. There is that part of the law"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "where a deal was made that aliens would"}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "be allowed to abduct"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "American citizens in exchange for"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "technology or whatever the story is. Do"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "you think there a deal was made or do"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "you think they're just snatching people?"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:42", "text": ">> Oh, definitely a deal was made."}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:45", "text": ">> A deal was made. I think that that's"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "what happened"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "at that meeting in 1955 at Hullman."}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "Deals were made. I mean these were"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "Bill Schneider described it as the Gria"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "treaty and began talking about the"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "agreement of"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "a certain number of humans were"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:11", "text": "supposedly going to be abducted by the"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:14", "text": "great aliens, but that turned out to be"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "a lot more than the grays had agreed to."}, {"start": "01:22:14", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "And and and that all kind of comes down"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "to details, right? If you agree in"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "principle that yeah, you can abduct our"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "people, just keep us informed. Well,"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:27", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:29", "text": ">> they'll take that acceptance of the"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "principle as well. Now, it's just a"}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "detail whether we abduct a 100 or"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "whether we abduct 100,000. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "just a detail, right? You've agreed that"}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "we can do this and so this is what the"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "grays did. And and I think that that"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "that would actually be"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "a way in which a very sophisticated"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "galactic entity would operate with a"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "very"}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "kind of new"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:03", "text": "innocent naive race that you would come"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "up with these agreements where you get"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "them to agree to a principle and then"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "once you've got them to agree to the"}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "principle then you implement it."}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:12", "text": ">> Sure. in in the way you want."}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:14", "text": ">> What are you going to do about it?"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:17", "text": ">> Exactly. What what are you going to do?"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:17", "text": "They've abducted 100,000 rather than"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "100,"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:24", "text": ">> right? What what what did they give in"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "exchange? Did they give technology?"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:29", "text": ">> There have been a lot of"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "witnesses and whistleblowers that talk"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "about seeing grays at these facilities."}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "I mean, Bill U talked about it. Uh, even"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "Bob Lazar says he got a fleeting image"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:45", "text": "of a gray. Clifford Stone says he was"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "taken to an underground facility at the"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "Pentagon and he saw a gray. So there's"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:51", "text": ">> Pat Price remote viewed Mount Hayes and"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "saw grays in there with the military."}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:58", "text": ">> Right. So there are many whistleblowers"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "who have talked about these grays that"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "are assisting the US military in some of"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "these programs. And I think Bill Uaus's"}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "description of the gray helping"}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:19", "text": "the US Air Force understand how the"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "technology worked, how to reverse"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:27", "text": "engineer it. I mean he said that Bill"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:29", "text": "uhouse former US Air Force that was uh"}, {"start": "01:24:27", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "worked as a contractor. I think he was"}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "an electrical engineer by training and"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:37", "text": "and and he was said that they were"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "setting up a simulation device for"}, {"start": "01:24:37", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "training"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:45", "text": "future Air Force pilots how to fly these"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "reverse engineered craft that they were"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:51", "text": "working on. And so he he said that"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "whenever they struck a problem, they"}, {"start": "01:24:51", "end": "01:24:55", "text": "would bring it up the next time there"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "would be a meeting with one of these"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:24:59", "text": "grays that would come in and they would"}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "answer the questions. Answer questions"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "about technical questions about how how"}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "to reverse engineer this stuff, how to"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:10", "text": "get a flight simulator to work for a"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "pilot being trained to fly one of these"}, {"start": "01:25:10", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "reverse engineered craft. That was Bill"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:18", "text": "Uaus's job. So there are many good"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:21", "text": "examples and Bill uhouse is a very"}, {"start": "01:25:18", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "credible witness, military witness that"}, {"start": "01:25:21", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "this was going on."}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:28", "text": ">> Do you think deals were made with China,"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:30", "text": "Russia and other countries as well?"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:34", "text": ">> I'd say that was definitely the case."}, {"start": "01:25:30", "end": "01:25:36", "text": ">> You think so? I mean, because how you've"}, {"start": "01:25:34", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "got the Nordics who wanted to keep"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "parody between the superpowers,"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "but then there's no Soviet Union"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "anymore."}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "are, you know, are they giving the"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "technology to"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "other countries?"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:56", "text": ">> I think that would have been one of the"}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:58", "text": "ways that the grays, the reptilians,"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "insectoids"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "would have operated. I mean, I've"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "interviewed a very prominent Russian"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "researcher, Anton Anvil, PhD, and he"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:14", "text": "studied Russia's"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "secret space program, history of of"}, {"start": "01:26:14", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "crashed UFO craft. And he said that"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "early on the Russians found that there"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:25", "text": "was a group of insecttoids, the praying"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "mantis."}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:30", "text": ">> That had crashed and that they made"}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "contact and they had made deals and they"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "began working with them. So the Russians"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "were working with this group of"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:41", "text": "insecttoid. But what was interesting was"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "that he said that what the Russians"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:45", "text": "found was that these insecttoids were"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "indigenous to the earth. That they were"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "weren't off-world visitors. They were"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:53", "text": "indigenous culture going back many"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "hundreds of thousands of years that had"}, {"start": "01:26:53", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "spacecraft or craft that were capable of"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "flying off into space, but they were"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:03", "text": "coming from the inner earth."}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:03", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:27:03", "end": "01:27:07", "text": "I've heard I've heard similar stories"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "about the reptilians that they're from"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:10", "text": "the earth."}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:10", "text": ">> Exactly. And that's where it gets"}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "complicated."}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:14", "text": ">> It does"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:16", "text": ">> because you you have reptilians that are"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "indigenous to Earth"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "that are to a certain extent sympathetic"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:25", "text": "to surface humanity. But then you have"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "this off-world group that people"}, {"start": "01:27:25", "end": "01:27:31", "text": "identify, you know, as Draconian"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:33", "text": "reptilians who are totally imperialistic"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:35", "text": "and totally about control and"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "manipulation"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:41", "text": "and recruiting humanity as a mercenary"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:46", "text": "force to conquer other worlds in other"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "star systems. and doing it in a in a way"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "that could not be stopped by other"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "worlds that were maybe better organized"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "in terms of collectives like a galactic"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "federation or something like that. So if"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "for example you have humanity"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "being exploited by these Draco"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "reptilians whereby human mercenaries"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:15", "text": "were being recruited and flying off into"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "space to join the Draco reptilians in"}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:23", "text": "the conquest of human populated worlds."}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "that could be done in a way where the"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:28", "text": "other organiz the human organizations,"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:32", "text": "the Galactic Federation of Worlds or"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "whatever the organization is would have"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "to kind of like step aside and say,"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "\"Well, strictly speaking, this is a"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:42", "text": "human onhuman conflict.\" Right."}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:43", "text": ">> Right. cuz the the human mercenaries"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "from Earth are just being used as a"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "proxy by the Draco reptilians, but they"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "still are humans from Earth and they are"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:57", "text": "like we are conquering this other planet"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "as part of our organization and some"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "people call that the dark fleet, the"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:05", "text": "narc and and and I think that's very"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "plausible. I I think so too. But how do"}, {"start": "01:29:05", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "we get because people are listening and"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "we can talk about craft and everything"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "we talked about up until now just about"}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:18", "text": "everybody's on board with. But once you"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "go into the Draco, the mantids, the"}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:23", "text": "Nordics, people get off the bus. I don't"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "know how we keep them on the bus. I"}, {"start": "01:29:23", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "don't know how we keep that conversation"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "going. I'm not asking for evidence. I'm"}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "just saying what do we say to the"}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "people? How do you keep people more"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:35", "text": "open-minded"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:37", "text": "to new species?"}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:39", "text": "Well, we've we've got the witnesses, the"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:42", "text": "contactees that have been talking about"}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "this for decades, but what's recently"}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "changed is that now you've had prominent"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:52", "text": "scientists coming forward,"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:54", "text": ">> Eric Davis, Hal Pudof, Congressman,"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "Eric Berles, Burchett"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:29:59", "text": "repeating that well, we know of four"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "extraterrestrial civilizations visiting"}, {"start": "01:29:59", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "our world. And"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:03", "text": ">> David Grush just talked about the"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:05", "text": "Nordics."}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:08", "text": ">> And there you have David Grush talking"}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "about Nordic cadaavveras that were"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:15", "text": "recovered at these crash sites that look"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:20", "text": "beautiful and look like gods, like Greek"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "gods. He's talking about reptilians who"}, {"start": "01:30:20", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "survived these crashes going on a"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "killing spree and and they having to be"}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:30", "text": "killed by US special forces."}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:31", "text": ">> I never heard that. going on a killing"}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "spree."}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:35", "text": ">> Well, that they survived the crash and"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "that they were killing humans. So, that"}, {"start": "01:30:35", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "was what"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:45", "text": "now maybe this is a incorrect rendition"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "of what Grush said. I mean, I just heard"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "the interview once,"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:52", "text": ">> right? And I and I"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "put out a short segment of that"}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "interview where he talked about the"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "reptilians that had been that had"}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "survived these crashes, but they were"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "apparently fighting and they were"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "killing humans"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "and and he talked about the reptilians"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "fighting the grays."}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:13", "text": ">> Yes. So, so, so maybe there was some"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "maybe that was not something I got"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "correct from the David Grush interview,"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "but the fact that is that Grushkin was"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:24", "text": "saying that from what he was told in"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:27", "text": "these classified meetings from people in"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "the know, so arguably this is secondhand"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:35", "text": "information, but Crush is now accepted"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "as a very reliable witness. And and"}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:40", "text": ">> that's why hearing him say Nordics was"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "shocking to me. And I don't trust the"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "whistleblowers. I'm very open about that"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:46", "text": "from military intelligence. I don't"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:48", "text": "trust them."}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:49", "text": ">> Um I want to believe them, but I don't"}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "trust them."}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:53", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:56", "text": ">> So when he said Nordics,"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "that is"}, {"start": "01:31:56", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "that was a big move. I think that was a"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "very big move because now you're getting"}, {"start": "01:32:00", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "into the conspiracy theory world where"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "all the skeptics are are constantly"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "attacking people like us even just for"}, {"start": "01:32:10", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "discussing the stories and now if the"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "Nordics are real then you have to be"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "open to all the other races. John Leer"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "said that there were 70. That's"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:25", "text": ">> right."}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "I think John Leer is someone who's very"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "underestimated in the UFO community."}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": ">> He was a contactee, I believe. I I don't"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "think he knew it, but"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:38", "text": ">> I I came across his information and it"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "matched with all of my other sources,"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "but the but the really weird thing was"}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "he had this CIA connection. I always"}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "kind of felt"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:49", "text": ">> he was doing something with the"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "information to make it look a little"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "kooky, a little way out there. He would"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "say things that I always found to be a"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:33:00", "text": "little offputting. So I I I thought he"}, {"start": "01:32:58", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "was credible with some of his"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "information, but yet again it was like,"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "well, is is this a case of someone who's"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "in the know and having to discredit"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "himself? Bill, Bill Cooper was another"}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "one who was like that. I mean, he had he"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:18", "text": ">> I mean, he had an impeccable Navy"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:20", "text": "pedigree"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:23", "text": ">> and he put out a lot of information and"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:27", "text": "he talked about the 1954 meeting and the"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:29", "text": "and the subsequent meeting and and he"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "put out a lot of very interesting"}, {"start": "01:33:29", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "information, but then he would do things"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:36", "text": "that would appear to discredit himself."}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:37", "text": ">> He absolutely did. He would say wild"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "things on the radio that would make him"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "sound like a nut. And yet he he"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "correctly predicts 911. He predicted his"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:46", "text": "own death. He ends up in his dies in a"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "shootout in his front yard"}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:49", "text": ">> with the police."}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "That's William Cooper behold a pale"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "horse. So it's the it's the same thing"}, {"start": "01:33:51", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "with all of these guys is there's always"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:59", "text": "a fake diploma on the wall. So we don't"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "know what's real."}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:04", "text": ">> And that's why I take the approach that"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:06", "text": "this is"}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "exopolitics is intelligence gathering."}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "It's not science. It's not like a"}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "scientific experiment where if the data"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:17", "text": "is inconsistent with your hypothesis,"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "well, it's a failed experiment. You"}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:21", "text": "throw it out and you start again. Well,"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "intelligence gathering is different."}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "You're you're trying to find out, well,"}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:28", "text": "who are these beings that are visiting"}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "us? What are their motivations? What do"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:33", "text": "we know? Well, these people claim to"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "have met them, and you got military"}, {"start": "01:34:33", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "whistleblowers saying that they saw them"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "in these classified programs. How"}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "credible are they? So to my mind, this"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:45", "text": "is an intelligence gathering"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "exercise and and what you do is you"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "assign levels of confidence. Well, I"}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "have a high degree of confidence that uh"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "someone like David Grush's information"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "is very very credible that someone else"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "like Phil Schneider who died 6 months"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "after he revealed these things, I think"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "that information is very very credible."}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:08", "text": "Someone like John Lear, I would give him"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:10", "text": "a medium level of confidence and Richard"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "Dodie a low but but you don't throw out"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "the baby with the bathwater because at"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:17", "text": "the end of the day you're intelligence"}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:21", "text": "gathering and you got to look at all the"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "data and you got to assign a numerical"}, {"start": "01:35:21", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "value to that in terms of the level of"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "confidence you have and then you can"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:29", "text": "come up with some opinion and that's and"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:31", "text": "that's how you do intelligence gathering"}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:32", "text": "and that's more in line with political"}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:33", "text": "science."}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:35", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:37", "text": "because you don't have absolute"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:41", "text": "certainty"}, {"start": "01:35:37", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "with a person's testimony. you have a"}, {"start": "01:35:41", "end": "01:35:47", "text": "high degree of confidence in that person"}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "maybe but you assign a level of"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:53", "text": "confidence and and you go with that and"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "and if something happens I mean I've"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "worked with quite a few whistleblowers"}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "and contactees that I thought were"}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:02", "text": "really credible and then things happened"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:04", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:36:02", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "and then I have to walk away from them"}, {"start": "01:36:04", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "and think that and and and dismiss them"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "or maybe not dismiss them but now I"}, {"start": "01:36:08", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "don't no longer"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "have that high level of confidence in"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "their testimony that I once did."}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:17", "text": ">> Well, I want to ask you about that. So,"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "so let's say you're supporting a"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "whistleblower contact D. You support"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:24", "text": "their story and then it turns out that"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "it's not true. What do you do with that"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:30", "text": "information? Do you retract,"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "you know, do we throw it away?"}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:35", "text": ">> Well, there's a good example. In 2008,"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:39", "text": "there was this um lieutenant commander"}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "for the US Navy, uh Richard Tilman, and"}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:44", "text": "initially I began reporting on him as"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "source A. And he talked about these"}, {"start": "01:36:44", "end": "01:36:49", "text": "classified meetings that were happening"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:52", "text": "at the United Nations"}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "that were trying to work out how to"}, {"start": "01:36:52", "end": "01:36:55", "text": "reveal the existence of"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:37:00", "text": "extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "And so I met him in person in New York"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "and he had his a thick manual with him,"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:10", "text": "a photo album showing all his photos of"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:13", "text": "his Navy career as a fighter pilot. So"}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:15", "text": "you saw the the jets and you saw his"}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "military credentials. He was wearing a"}, {"start": "01:37:15", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "full Navy uniform."}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:25", "text": "He he went to the naval warfare station"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:28", "text": "in uh Patuk"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:31", "text": "in Virginia and he met Dr."}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "uh Matabe who was working on a"}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "classified program. So he went on to the"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "base on his own metab at this highly"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "classified. So he was undoubtedly"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "serving with the US Navy."}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:45", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "But he told me and he told the people I"}, {"start": "01:37:45", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "was working with at the time. He said,"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:51", "text": "\"If I ever get outed, I'm going to I'm"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:53", "text": "going to deny everything.\" Just so you"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:55", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "I never thought he would really do that."}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:37:59", "text": "How could you deny everything? How could"}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "you put out all this information and"}, {"start": "01:37:59", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "then deny it all and say you made it up?"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:08", "text": "He got outed. He got identified. So"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "rather than being source A, he then gets"}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:14", "text": "identified. I think it was 2009. He got"}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "identified as Richard Tilman, Lieutenant"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "Commander, US Navy."}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:23", "text": "And and so he denied it all. He went out"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:25", "text": "and denied it. He said,"}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "\"None of it is true.\""}, {"start": "01:38:25", "end": "01:38:27", "text": ">> So now what do we do with that"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "information?"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:33", "text": ">> Exactly. Exactly. And this is again, do"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "you throw out the baby with the bath"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:41", "text": "water? I I I just wrote an article"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "clarifying what happened and and I said"}, {"start": "01:38:41", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "he has denied it all now, but he told us"}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "back when he first revealed the"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "information that if he ever got outed,"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "he would be forced to deny it all. And"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "that's exactly what he did. And so I"}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "said, well, I think that these meetings"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "really did happen, but he's denied it"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "all now. So I just have to walk away"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "from it. Uh but there were others like"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:14", "text": "there was a French researcher Gil"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "Laurent"}, {"start": "01:39:14", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "who also"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "confirmed from his French intelligence"}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:25", "text": "sources that the United Nations were"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "having these meetings in 2008 to"}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:29", "text": "strategize how to reveal the existence"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "of extraterrestrial life."}, {"start": "01:39:29", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "But that's not confirmation. And so that"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "whole enterprise had to be I had to walk"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "away from that and and people were"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "saying well we told you Tillman we told"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "you source a was a fake but and to this"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "day I don't believe he was a fake I"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "think he really was Navy but he had to"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "deny what he had revealed I guess that"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "was the condition under which he first"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:03", "text": "could come forward maybe his commander"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "said Yeah, reveal this information as"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:07", "text": "long as you're not publicly identified."}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:10", "text": "And if you are,"}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "walk away from it. Deny it. Or else"}, {"start": "01:40:10", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "what?"}, {"start": "01:40:15", "end": "01:40:24", "text": ">> He could be eliminated."}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:25", "text": ">> Um, you've recently started naming JP"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "Papon. That's what's right."}, {"start": "01:40:25", "end": "01:40:29", "text": ">> Papon. So, we've been hearing about JP"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "for years and now we know who he is. He"}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:35", "text": "has a website. Um,"}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:38", "text": "his military record checks out. Water"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "purification. He I think he worked at"}, {"start": "01:40:38", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "Elgus Elgus AFB."}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:44", "text": ">> Eggland Air Force Space."}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:46", "text": ">> Eggland AFB. Okay. So, that's um I think"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:50", "text": "the 96 test wing is there. Lots of"}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "high-tech stuff goes on there."}, {"start": "01:40:50", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "Has he been contacted by"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "the military?"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:01", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was. Wow. He has a"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "long history in terms of being contacted"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:06", "text": "by the military going back to 2008."}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:09", "text": "When he first had an experience with"}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:12", "text": "these humanl looking extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "01:41:09", "end": "01:41:14", "text": "in Brazil, he came to the United States,"}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:17", "text": "came back to the United States, his"}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "home. He lived at Tampa near McDill Air"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:21", "text": "Force Base at the time. And he was"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "approached pretty soon after he got"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:28", "text": "back. And they wanted to know who he"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:31", "text": "met, what he was told, what technologies"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "he was working on because he all of a"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "sudden went from just being a musician,"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "someone that would uh work on pools,"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "that was how he supported himself as a"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:44", "text": "as a musician that he all of a sudden"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "starts getting downloads for building"}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "these new technologies. And so he starts"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "getting monitored and and so over the"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "years he gets"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "military people befriending him like,"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "\"We're your friend. Tell us what's going"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "on.\""}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:01", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:05", "text": ">> And in 2017"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:07", "text": "he starts sending me photos of craft"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "he's seeing near McDill Air Force Base,"}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "flying triangle craft, rectangle-shaped"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "craft. He's sending me these photos and"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "and he was being encouraged to take"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "those photos by people within the US Air"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "Force. Yes. Covert operatives."}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:26", "text": ">> Yes, I believe that."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:29", "text": ">> And and he he remembers actually"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:32", "text": "sometimes he remembers being on these"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:35", "text": "craft and and and one one craft in"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "particular that was a flying rectangle."}, {"start": "01:42:35", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "He took a photo of it after being"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "encouraged to take the photo of this"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:45", "text": "flying rectangle craft. And later on he"}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:48", "text": "remembered being on the craft and he"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "remembered seeing the insignia"}, {"start": "01:42:48", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "of of the patch of air force special"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "operations."}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:58", "text": ">> So this is a military test craft"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:04", "text": ">> that was a craft that was operational."}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "It wasn't a test craft because"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:07", "text": ">> Right. I'm just I mean, did humans build"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:43:07", "end": "01:43:10", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Totally."}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:12", "text": ">> So, that's reverse engineered from So,"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "this that's anti-gravity. That's zero"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "point energy. That's the whole deal."}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:21", "text": ">> That's right. So, he's revealing this in"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "2017 in 2017 and photos, giving me"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:27", "text": "photos, and I'm putting them out. They"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "start getting circulated. Uh the Tampa"}, {"start": "01:43:27", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "Times did an article on on that. So"}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:35", "text": "they're starting to get circulated"}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:37", "text": "and this is all coming out of McDill Air"}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "Force Base. Well, just it just so"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "happens that McDill Air Force Base gets"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:47", "text": "hit by Hurricane Irma a month after JP"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:51", "text": "starts revealing sharing these photos"}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "with me. Hurricane Irma. Okay. What is"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "Hurricane Irma? Well, Irma is the German"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:57", "text": "name for a war goddess. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:44:00", "text": ">> And allegedly"}, {"start": "01:43:57", "end": "01:44:01", "text": "there's a directed energy weapon out of"}, {"start": "01:44:00", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "Antarctica"}, {"start": "01:44:01", "end": "01:44:07", "text": "that was steering this hurricane"}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "to Mcdill Air Force Base."}, {"start": "01:44:07", "end": "01:44:10", "text": ">> What do you think?"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:13", "text": ">> I I wrote about it at the time. I think"}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:17", "text": "I think that it was it was payback. It"}, {"start": "01:44:13", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "was like the deep state,"}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:23", "text": "this German breakaway element did not"}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "like this covert branch of the US Air"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "Force revealing the existence of these"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "anti-gravity technologies."}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:31", "text": ">> I thought hurricanes were named in"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "advance at the beginning of the season."}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:36", "text": "Could it be a coincidence?"}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:37", "text": ">> You could say that that it was a"}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "coincidence."}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:42", "text": ">> Or you could have just waited for a H"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "and said now now we're now we're a go."}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "Is it the could have been?"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> So, what about the harp then? Harp"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "is a weird one for me. You know, even"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "being on the skeptical side, that"}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:56", "text": "project doesn't make any sense because"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "it's this it's this very small facility"}, {"start": "01:44:56", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "that got a like a half a billion dollar"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "budget and nobody knows where the money"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "went."}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:05", "text": ">> Well, Nick Begage wrote,"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:07", "text": ">> yes,"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:08", "text": ">> that really great book, What Angels"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:10", "text": "Don't Make This Heart or something like"}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "that. I can't remember the exact title."}, {"start": "01:45:10", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "and and he did really great research and"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:18", "text": "I think he worked with um a a female"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "researcher Manning I can't quite"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "remember her full name but he"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "identified how that heart facility was"}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "this directed energy"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:35", "text": "weapons array that could be used to for"}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "weather modification purposes and crowd"}, {"start": "01:45:35", "end": "01:45:41", "text": "control and doing all sorts of nefarious"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:44", "text": "beings. So he was saying that that was"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "what the heart facility out of Alaska"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:52", "text": "was was being used for and and so"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "apparently there are there were a number"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:56", "text": "of these half facilities all over the"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "United States."}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:46:00", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "And people who have done"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:08", "text": "research on hurricanes and how they"}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:11", "text": "form, they"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "often find a high level of activity of"}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "these heart facilities around the time"}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:19", "text": "hurricanes are formed and and steered."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:22", "text": "And there's a there's a physics behind"}, {"start": "01:46:19", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "this that you could heat up the"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:27", "text": "ionosphere"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "in a way that would steer a hurricane in"}, {"start": "01:46:27", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "a particular direction. So I do believe"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "that these kinds of directed energy"}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:40", "text": "weapons, hard facilities can be used to"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:42", "text": "steer"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "hurricanes,"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "tornadoes, cyclones, whatever"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "in a particular direction. So if you"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:55", "text": "have a country or you have a particular"}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:58", "text": "state in the United States"}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:47:00", "text": ">> being troublesome or an air force"}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:02", "text": "facility doing things that you don't"}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:05", "text": "like, you just hit them with a hurricane"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "and and and that'll you know you send a"}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:09", "text": "message that that'll teach him."}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "Well, as far as JP"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:16", "text": ">> Yeah. is is concerned and"}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "the connection to Eglund Air Force Base"}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "if I finish up. So"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "in"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "after 2017,"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "we get the information. Now, Hurricane"}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:35", "text": "Irma, it's hits. He keeps on putting out"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "photos of the craft he's seeing now."}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:39", "text": "He's moved to Orlando. He's taking"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "photos, but he's getting pressured. He's"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:45", "text": "getting pressured all the time. And he"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:48", "text": "and and one of the things that was very"}, {"start": "01:47:45", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "clear was that on the one hand he had"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:52", "text": "people that were air force operatives"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "that were telling him, you know, take"}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "the photo and go here and and there were"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:48:01", "text": "also these Nordic looking"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:48:03", "text": "extraterrestrials that were also"}, {"start": "01:48:01", "end": "01:48:06", "text": "summoning him to different places and"}, {"start": "01:48:03", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "they would allow him to take photos of"}, {"start": "01:48:06", "end": "01:48:11", "text": "their craft. and they were flying saucer"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:13", "text": "craft and so that was something he did"}, {"start": "01:48:11", "end": "01:48:15", "text": "as well. He was taking photos of the"}, {"start": "01:48:13", "end": "01:48:16", "text": "Nordic spacecraft that he was"}, {"start": "01:48:15", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "witnessing."}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:19", "text": ">> Why do they want that? I mean, I know"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:21", "text": "the Air Force wants them to do it so he"}, {"start": "01:48:19", "end": "01:48:24", "text": "could be discredited, but why would the"}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "Nordics allow that? What do they want?"}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:32", "text": ">> They want him or they wanted him to take"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:34", "text": "these photos to prove or to show that"}, {"start": "01:48:32", "end": "01:48:37", "text": "the Nordics are very real, that they're"}, {"start": "01:48:34", "end": "01:48:41", "text": "visiting us. So he took photos of their"}, {"start": "01:48:37", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "craft. One of the craft landed. He was"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:47", "text": "offered a ride. He he met face to face"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "with the Nordic. He was offered a ride."}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:51", "text": "He said when he was meeting with the"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "Nordic, he had his camera on him, but it"}, {"start": "01:48:51", "end": "01:48:53", "text": "didn't work."}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:53", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "01:48:53", "end": "01:48:56", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "01:48:53", "end": "01:48:59", "text": ">> But once the Nordic got on the craft and"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:02", "text": "left, then his camera worked. He took"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:05", "text": "photos of the craft and he also took"}, {"start": "01:49:02", "end": "01:49:08", "text": "photos of a craft where he said he saw"}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:10", "text": "two Nordics that you could see uh"}, {"start": "01:49:08", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "through the cockpit. So that's one of"}, {"start": "01:49:10", "end": "01:49:15", "text": "the but but it's it's resolution is not"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "very good. So you really can't make it"}, {"start": "01:49:15", "end": "01:49:22", "text": "out. But but that's interesting. But"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:24", "text": "what I find very significant was that so"}, {"start": "01:49:22", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "he's having these"}, {"start": "01:49:24", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "encounters. He's being encouraged by Air"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "Force operatives to take photos."}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:37", "text": "Then he's told and there were two"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:41", "text": "incidents where he was taken by Air"}, {"start": "01:49:37", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "Force operatives to a location"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:47", "text": "and the Air Force operatives dropped him"}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "off and said, \"Go down there and take a"}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "look at that facility and what's"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "happening there.\""}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:56", "text": "And he goes there and some more senior"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:56", "text": "officer"}, {"start": "01:49:56", "end": "01:49:59", "text": "looks at him and says, \"What? Why are"}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "you here? Why the f are you here? You"}, {"start": "01:49:59", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "shouldn't be here. You're a civilian. F"}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "off.\""}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "And JP said he had to go. He He couldn't"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:12", "text": "do it. And this happened twice to him."}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "And the Air Force operatives said,"}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:16", "text": "\"Well, look, as long as you're a"}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "civilian, you're going to be denied"}, {"start": "01:50:16", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "access to certain things that we want"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:23", "text": "you to see and we want you to talk about"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:25", "text": "it. So, you need to join the military.\""}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:27", "text": "and and if you join the military, you'll"}, {"start": "01:50:25", "end": "01:50:29", "text": "be protected as well from these other"}, {"start": "01:50:27", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "people that don't want you to reveal"}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:37", "text": "this information. So, he joined the army"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "in uh end of uh 2019. He joins the army."}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:43", "text": "He joins."}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:48", "text": "It's his MOS is a 91J, which is, you"}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "know, water repair and all of that."}, {"start": "01:50:48", "end": "01:50:54", "text": ">> But he's given training as a as a as a"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:56", "text": "as a as a paratrooper. He's given put"}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "through paratrooper training. He's he"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "gets a red beret."}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:05", "text": ">> He's then stationed with this elite"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:07", "text": ">> army unit, seventh special forces group"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "at Eglund Air Force B, which is an elite"}, {"start": "01:51:07", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "unit. I mean, these guys are the, you"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:14", "text": "know, the army's special forces guys"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "that go all over the world as part of"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "special operations command to do all"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "these"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:20", "text": ">> classified missions. So, these are"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "special forces. Why would"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:23", "text": ">> JP he didn't go through Ranger school or"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:24", "text": "anything, right?"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:26", "text": ">> He just did paratrooper training."}, {"start": "01:51:24", "end": "01:51:28", "text": ">> That's it. He got he got a jump badge."}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:29", "text": ">> Exactly. Exactly. So he got the red"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:30", "text": "beret,"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:31", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:32", "text": ">> But he's not a green beret."}, {"start": "01:51:31", "end": "01:51:33", "text": ">> No. No."}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:35", "text": ">> Right. So that's clear."}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:39", "text": ">> So why is he on these missions with"}, {"start": "01:51:35", "end": "01:51:39", "text": "these elite forces?"}, {"start": "01:51:39", "end": "01:51:41", "text": ">> So he gets assigned"}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:48", "text": ">> to Eglund Air Force Base. His"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:50", "text": "regular job is working to clean water"}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "systems and so forth."}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:56", "text": ">> He gets text messages saying, \"Show up"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:51:58", "text": "at this place.\" And he shows up at that"}, {"start": "01:51:56", "end": "01:52:01", "text": "place"}, {"start": "01:51:58", "end": "01:52:03", "text": "and there are covert operatives there"}, {"start": "01:52:01", "end": "01:52:05", "text": "that say, \"You got to come with us on"}, {"start": "01:52:03", "end": "01:52:09", "text": "this mission.\" So then he goes off on"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "this mission. So he does the mission,"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "comes back, and then he goes back to his"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "regular job. And his regular commander"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:17", "text": "doesn't know anything about what he's"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:17", "text": "doing."}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:19", "text": ">> He doesn't"}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:23", "text": ">> he doesn't. No. So these missions are"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "like 4 hours, 6 hours, 10 hours, but"}, {"start": "01:52:23", "end": "01:52:27", "text": "they're they're relatively short. So"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:29", "text": "when he comes back, he just does his"}, {"start": "01:52:27", "end": "01:52:31", "text": "normal assignment. So this goes on for"}, {"start": "01:52:29", "end": "01:52:33", "text": "four four and a half years."}, {"start": "01:52:31", "end": "01:52:35", "text": ">> Well, who's directing these assignments?"}, {"start": "01:52:33", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "Who is he getting his orders from if not"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "his CO?"}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:40", "text": ">> There's someone,"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:46", "text": ">> yes,"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:49", "text": ">> in the covert military that is"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:51", "text": "assigning him to these missions. Now JP"}, {"start": "01:52:49", "end": "01:52:53", "text": "has a handler in the military. He's"}, {"start": "01:52:51", "end": "01:52:56", "text": "never identified who that handler is to"}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "me. He's just hinted"}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "at the the the rank of that officer, but"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:05", "text": "that's a but I I can only guess. He's"}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:07", "text": "shown me where he he meets him at Eglund"}, {"start": "01:53:05", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "Air Force Base. So, we did he did take"}, {"start": "01:53:07", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "me to that area, but apparently this is"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "the guy that is coordinating the"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:20", "text": "missions. So, he's a senior Air Force"}, {"start": "01:53:15", "end": "01:53:22", "text": "officer retired and apparently now he's"}, {"start": "01:53:20", "end": "01:53:26", "text": "working out of Washington DC after being"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:28", "text": "stationed or being in some capacity,"}, {"start": "01:53:26", "end": "01:53:31", "text": "retired capacity at Eglund Air Force"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "Base. What is special about Jorge that"}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "he's chosen for this?"}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:44", "text": ">> I think he's someone that has this"}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:45", "text": "unique energy. He's a very sweet guy,"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "very,"}, {"start": "01:53:45", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "some would say, very innocent, very"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "gullible, but also"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "there's a there's a wisdom there."}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:58", "text": "There's a there's a knowledge there that"}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "it's like he he knows things. He knows"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:03", "text": "things like he has this intuitive"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:06", "text": "knowledge of technologies or certain"}, {"start": "01:54:03", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "technologies. He knows how things works"}, {"start": "01:54:06", "end": "01:54:09", "text": "and and that's something that's come up"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "again and again in what he's described"}, {"start": "01:54:09", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "that he he's put in these places"}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:19", "text": "and he"}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:23", "text": "has an interaction with the technology"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "that the technology is alive or sentient"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:29", "text": "in some way. And this is this is very"}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "typical of extraterrestrial technologies"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:34", "text": "or ancient technologies that they're not"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:36", "text": "like our technologies."}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:37", "text": "It's like this ship has a living"}, {"start": "01:54:36", "end": "01:54:42", "text": "consciousness, right?"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:45", "text": ">> And it it interacts with people and so"}, {"start": "01:54:42", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "H JP"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:53", "text": "often interacts with that technology. He"}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:55", "text": "feels it. He knows how it works. He's"}, {"start": "01:54:53", "end": "01:54:58", "text": "very intuitive"}, {"start": "01:54:55", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "and he's gifted in learning how the"}, {"start": "01:54:58", "end": "01:55:04", "text": "technology works. And sometimes he's"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:09", "text": "trained in in that. And you know, one of"}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "the this is one of the crazier missions."}, {"start": "01:55:09", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "It's like he says that he was given"}, {"start": "01:55:11", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "weapons training. He was he went on a"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:19", "text": "mission. He was with other operatives"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:23", "text": "and he went on a mission and he went to"}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "a facility and there was this very old"}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "feline looking being."}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:29", "text": ">> Wow. Okay."}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:32", "text": ">> And and this feline looking being gave"}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:36", "text": "each of the operatives this ring."}, {"start": "01:55:32", "end": "01:55:39", "text": "A ring. and they put on the ring and"}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:42", "text": "depending on how they manipulated the"}, {"start": "01:55:39", "end": "01:55:45", "text": "ring, it would shoot off a bit an energy"}, {"start": "01:55:42", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "beam that could destroy objects at a"}, {"start": "01:55:45", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "distance. So, he was doing this weapons"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "training."}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:51", "text": ">> Well, for what? Why would he need that"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "kind of training, that kind of weapon?"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:55", "text": ">> Yeah, that's that's an interesting"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:58", "text": "question. I mean, I I didn't quite"}, {"start": "01:55:55", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "understand why he was exposed to that"}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:02", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:04", "text": "the missions he's done have been rather"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:06", "text": "benign. He never"}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:09", "text": ">> he never is in he never describes being"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "in battles apart from some recent more"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:13", "text": "recent missions he's described being in"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "battles. But he's put through this"}, {"start": "01:56:13", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "weapons training. And so what I think is"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:24", "text": "that he's just being given exposure to a"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:27", "text": "whole range of classified programs to"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:29", "text": "reveal to reveal them to the world in a"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:32", "text": "way that's"}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:33", "text": "totally deniable, plausible deniability."}, {"start": "01:56:32", "end": "01:56:35", "text": "That's why these photos are allowed to"}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:37", "text": "come out."}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:41", "text": ">> They're very easy to discredit because"}, {"start": "01:56:37", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "they're they do show an object, but they"}, {"start": "01:56:41", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "but they're not very clear and they're"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "not high resolution. They're not nothing"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:48", "text": "you can say that's conclusive."}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:50", "text": ">> Never."}, {"start": "01:56:48", "end": "01:56:52", "text": ">> So, but there's enough of them to think,"}, {"start": "01:56:50", "end": "01:56:54", "text": "well, there's something going on here."}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "This guy's being exposed to something."}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "Well, I've heard that there's an"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "internal battle in I guess it would be"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "the Pentagon or or whatever exists in"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:06", "text": "the trillions of dollars of missing"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "money that there is a faction that wants"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:10", "text": "disclosure and there's a faction that"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "definitely doesn't and they are at odds."}, {"start": "01:57:10", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "Have you heard the same thing?"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:17", "text": ">> And that's been just substantiated"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "recently. I mean, you had both Tim"}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:21", "text": "Burchett"}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:25", "text": "and I think it was Berles that just came"}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:28", "text": "forward and said that Steven Miller,"}, {"start": "01:57:25", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "Steven Miller, the White House deputy"}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:34", "text": "chief of staff"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:37", "text": ">> was told that well actually he revealed"}, {"start": "01:57:34", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "that there were very bad people blocking"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:41", "text": "disclosure, that the Trump"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "administration and Miller are trying to"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "put out the information, but that there"}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:48", "text": "are very bad People that are blocking"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "disclosure. Well, very bad. What does"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:50", "text": "that mean?"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:56", "text": ">> What does that mean?"}, {"start": "01:57:50", "end": "01:57:58", "text": ">> People that are very powerful that can"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "make threats even against high level"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:02", "text": "public officials."}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:04", "text": ">> More powerful than the president of the"}, {"start": "01:58:02", "end": "01:58:06", "text": "United States."}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:09", "text": ">> That even the president of the United"}, {"start": "01:58:06", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "States has to deal with these people"}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "that is stopping his administration. Now"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:17", "text": "Burchett Berles"}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "and Paulina Luna have all come forward"}, {"start": "01:58:17", "end": "01:58:23", "text": "and said that they've spoken with either"}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "President Trump or his"}, {"start": "01:58:23", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "uh administration officials and they all"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:31", "text": "say that Trump is familiar with the"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "issue and he's totally committed to"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "disclosure"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "and I I think that that's what Trump is"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "doing that he's part of this White Hat"}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:44", "text": "initiative to get the information out"}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "there, but that there's this other"}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:49", "text": "faction, the legacy UFO crowd, whatever"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "you want to call them, deep state, that"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "are totally opposed that want to slow it"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "down or prevent it. And so we having"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "that struggle playing out in real time."}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "Why on the one hand you have these six"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "file dumps by the Pentagon, which is"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "very much the lowhanging fruit."}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:11", "text": ">> Yes, it is."}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "What it does is it legitimizes the UFO"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:15", "text": "field. It makes it real, but then when"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "people dig in, it's like there's this is"}, {"start": "01:59:15", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "a big nothing burger."}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:18", "text": ">> There's nothing here."}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:21", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:23", "text": ">> But it's preparing people. It's"}, {"start": "01:59:21", "end": "01:59:25", "text": "acclimating people for the really big"}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "stuff. And I think that's where JP comes"}, {"start": "01:59:25", "end": "01:59:33", "text": "in cuz I think JP's time will come where"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:34", "text": "his information will suddenly be"}, {"start": "01:59:33", "end": "01:59:37", "text": "validated. And we're already having"}, {"start": "01:59:34", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "that. I mean, David Grush is saying"}, {"start": "01:59:37", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "these beautiful Nordicl looking beings"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:43", "text": ">> I can't"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:46", "text": ">> have been found."}, {"start": "01:59:43", "end": "01:59:49", "text": ">> You can't undersell how big of a bomb"}, {"start": "01:59:46", "end": "01:59:51", "text": "that is to drop. That is the biggest"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:53", "text": "bomb. That's a bigger bomb than his than"}, {"start": "01:59:51", "end": "01:59:55", "text": "him sitting in Congress. Once he said"}, {"start": "01:59:53", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "the word Nordic, I went, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "goodness,"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "it's happening. It's happening.\""}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "Exactly. The Nordic extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:00:06", "end": "02:00:12", "text": "have been visiting us. Some of their"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "craft have either crashed or been"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "brought down and the bodies have been"}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:20", "text": "retrieved. And David Grush says he saw"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:24", "text": "one of the photographs of this. So"}, {"start": "02:00:20", "end": "02:00:29", "text": "there's a very famous incident um going"}, {"start": "02:00:24", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "back to 1978. Uh, Sir Eric Gary was the"}, {"start": "02:00:29", "end": "02:00:37", "text": "prime minister of Grenada at the time"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "and and what he revealed in a"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "conversation with a another UFO"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:45", "text": "researcher at the time was that a Nordic"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:49", "text": "extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "02:00:45", "end": "02:00:52", "text": "in a tight fitting suit,"}, {"start": "02:00:49", "end": "02:00:56", "text": "the body was found on a beach in Grenada"}, {"start": "02:00:52", "end": "02:00:58", "text": "with the with the remain with the some"}, {"start": "02:00:56", "end": "02:01:01", "text": "of the debris. from the craft. So this"}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "was Eric Gary talked Eric Gary talked"}, {"start": "02:01:01", "end": "02:01:07", "text": "about this in in 1978 or he said this"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "happened in 7778"}, {"start": "02:01:07", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "that this Nordic washed up on the beach"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:18", "text": "and that Eric Gary got his people to get"}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:21", "text": "the body and put it into a medical"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "facility that was run that I think had"}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:28", "text": "American medical students uh there."}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And then Eric Gary"}, {"start": "02:01:28", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "put together this United Nations"}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:37", "text": "initiative to set up a"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:39", "text": "agency to study the UFO phenomenon and"}, {"start": "02:01:37", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "he eventually succeeded in getting the"}, {"start": "02:01:39", "end": "02:01:44", "text": "United Nations to pass a resolution."}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:45", "text": ">> He did? I don't know. How do I not know"}, {"start": "02:01:44", "end": "02:01:47", "text": "this story?"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. That's it was a res I think"}, {"start": "02:01:47", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "it was UN decision 246 or 247. Well,"}, {"start": "02:01:52", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "this makes the Carter statements a lot"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:58", "text": "more valid now because if this is"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "happening during Carter's"}, {"start": "02:01:58", "end": "02:02:01", "text": "administration."}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:05", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. And so, so"}, {"start": "02:02:01", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "Eric Gary got the United Nations to"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:09", "text": "convene meetings where they got"}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:11", "text": "prominent UFO researchers. So Jay Alan"}, {"start": "02:02:09", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "Hinck and I think even Jacqu Vali was"}, {"start": "02:02:11", "end": "02:02:14", "text": "part of that and other prominent"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "researchers went to the United Nations"}, {"start": "02:02:14", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "and they talked about the need to set up"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:25", "text": ">> a UN watchdog or UN organization to"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:29", "text": "monitor UFO reports. So what happened"}, {"start": "02:02:25", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "after that was that uh Britain did a"}, {"start": "02:02:29", "end": "02:02:33", "text": "very"}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:36", "text": "British thing, British intelligence, you"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:39", "text": "know, they work with the Americans to to"}, {"start": "02:02:36", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "nullify this resolution. So rather than"}, {"start": "02:02:39", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "it being adopted by the general assembly"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "as a resolution which would be something"}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "that would stand in time as a United"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "Nations general assembly resolution. It"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:55", "text": "was passed as a decision rather than a"}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:57", "text": "resolution. So the difference is that a"}, {"start": "02:02:55", "end": "02:03:00", "text": "a resolution deals with policy and"}, {"start": "02:02:57", "end": "02:03:02", "text": "something that the United Nations"}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:05", "text": ">> will adhere to and pursue. Whereas the"}, {"start": "02:03:02", "end": "02:03:06", "text": "decision is more like well if you're if"}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:08", "text": "you've been serving with the United"}, {"start": "02:03:06", "end": "02:03:10", "text": "Nations for 10 years you deserve"}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:12", "text": ">> this amount of pay as opposed to that"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "amount of pay. More an administrative"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:16", "text": "thing. So that's how they were able to"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:17", "text": "bury it. They were but it's still there."}, {"start": "02:03:16", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "It's still there"}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:21", "text": ">> in the it's an official United Nations"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "decision."}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:26", "text": ">> But the thing is Eric Garry was a"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:28", "text": "threat. And so what happened was that"}, {"start": "02:03:26", "end": "02:03:28", "text": "then you had a coup."}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:30", "text": ">> Yes you did."}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:33", "text": ">> So Eric Gary is visiting the United"}, {"start": "02:03:30", "end": "02:03:33", "text": "States. And there's a coup. He's removed"}, {"start": "02:03:33", "end": "02:03:35", "text": "from power."}, {"start": "02:03:33", "end": "02:03:37", "text": ">> That's 1980, right?"}, {"start": "02:03:35", "end": "02:03:40", "text": ">> That's right. And he's removed from"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:42", "text": "power. There was a socialist revolution."}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "He's removed from power. And then I"}, {"start": "02:03:42", "end": "02:03:48", "text": "think it was two years later, you had"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:51", "text": "the UN, the United States"}, {"start": "02:03:48", "end": "02:03:55", "text": "invasion of Grenada. and they went to"}, {"start": "02:03:51", "end": "02:03:57", "text": "that medical center where according to"}, {"start": "02:03:55", "end": "02:03:59", "text": "my source who interviewed or talked with"}, {"start": "02:03:57", "end": "02:04:02", "text": "Eric Gary, that's where the Nordic"}, {"start": "02:03:59", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "extraterrestrial body was being stored."}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:08", "text": ">> It's not there anymore."}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:11", "text": "But that whole Grenada situation and and"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:13", "text": "Eric Gay's sponsorship of the United"}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "Nations resolution was all sparked by"}, {"start": "02:04:13", "end": "02:04:18", "text": "his discovery of this Nordic"}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "extraterrestrial body on a beach in"}, {"start": "02:04:18", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "Grenada in what was around 1977. I wrote"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:26", "text": "about that"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:28", "text": "well I guess 15 years ago, but uh you"}, {"start": "02:04:26", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "know the details are all there"}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:32", "text": ">> because Grenada is very strange to"}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:33", "text": "Americans like why are we going in"}, {"start": "02:04:32", "end": "02:04:35", "text": "there? Because you could take over"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "Grenada in an afternoon with a few"}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "Marines. I mean, it's like what what are"}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "we doing down here? Americans just"}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:45", "text": "walked in and said, \"We we this is ours"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "now.\" And it was like, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:49", "text": ">> that's why.\""}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:51", "text": ">> And the justification was they had to"}, {"start": "02:04:49", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "rescue what was it 200 medical students"}, {"start": "02:04:51", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "at this facility."}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:55", "text": ">> So, yeah,"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:58", "text": ">> the same facility that Eric Gary said"}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "this Nordic extraterrestrial body was uh"}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:02", "text": "being stored. It's like, okay, well, go"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:04", "text": "figure."}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:06", "text": "Do you think that the deep state who's"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "blocking is that military-industrial"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "complex or is that the older bloodlines?"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:13", "text": ">> All the bloodlines."}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:15", "text": ">> So I didn't think you were going to say"}, {"start": "02:05:13", "end": "02:05:20", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:05:15", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "So So Lockheed is not the enemy."}, {"start": "02:05:20", "end": "02:05:26", "text": ">> Yeah. I think a a lot of these"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "corporations would probably like to have"}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "disclosure because they have the"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:33", "text": "proprietary rights over this"}, {"start": "02:05:31", "end": "02:05:36", "text": "information."}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "They, you know, have these IRAs,"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "independent research and development"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:42", "text": "contracts, non-competitive contracts"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:44", "text": "that they've gotten. So they've been"}, {"start": "02:05:42", "end": "02:05:50", "text": "studying these contracts for years and"}, {"start": "02:05:44", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "years and they wanted they would like to"}, {"start": "02:05:50", "end": "02:05:55", "text": "be able to release these technologies"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:56", "text": "and make thousands of fightercraft using"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:06:01", "text": "anti-gravity propulsion. And there's a"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:06:05", "text": "good example of this uh I think it was"}, {"start": "02:06:01", "end": "02:06:07", "text": "Paul Levlet wrote a book about"}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:11", "text": "the Boeing aircraft company."}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:15", "text": ">> Yep. asking for permission to release"}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:17", "text": "some of the anti-gravity technology that"}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:20", "text": "they"}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:23", "text": "knew about because they had"}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:28", "text": "gained control over the old McDonald"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "Douglas files that go back to uh Douglas"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "Aircraft Company and all of the things"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:35", "text": "they were doing for the Navy. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:37", "text": ">> Which has a rich rich history. And so"}, {"start": "02:06:35", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "the Boeing Corporation had all those"}, {"start": "02:06:37", "end": "02:06:43", "text": "files. They have the repositories, the"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "archives of the extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "02:06:43", "end": "02:06:48", "text": "technologies that have been recovered,"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "the propulsion systems that they've been"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:56", "text": "be able to build those. They asked for"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "permission from some group to be able to"}, {"start": "02:06:56", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "release these in future"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:05", "text": "civilian aircraft that would be using to"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:07", "text": "some extent anti-gravity propulsion"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:11", "text": "systems but they were denied and I so I"}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:15", "text": "think a lot of these corporations locked"}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:17", "text": "Boeing Northrup Groomman they would love"}, {"start": "02:07:15", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "to release this technology but they're"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "being blocked by someone more powerful"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "that it makes a lot of sense because"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "imagine if you were the company that"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:28", "text": "could build the craft where you can fly"}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:30", "text": "to Europe in 10 minutes"}, {"start": "02:07:28", "end": "02:07:31", "text": ">> and and you got proprietary control over"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:33", "text": "all that technology,"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:35", "text": ">> right? You can just go"}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:38", "text": ">> you got the IRADS. No one else has that"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:41", "text": "cuz you you've got"}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "the the retrieved"}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:45", "text": "debris from these extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:47", "text": "craft. You've been studying it for 20,"}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:52", "text": "30, 40 years."}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:55", "text": "New companies like SpaceX,"}, {"start": "02:07:52", "end": "02:07:56", "text": "Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic, they don't"}, {"start": "02:07:55", "end": "02:07:56", "text": "have that."}, {"start": "02:07:56", "end": "02:07:57", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:07:56", "end": "02:07:59", "text": ">> How can they compete?"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:02", "text": ">> They don't have that. But that's the end"}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:04", "text": "of the petro dollar,"}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:05", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:08:04", "end": "02:08:08", "text": ">> So, someone more powerful is telling"}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:11", "text": "these corporations, you can't release"}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:13", "text": "this technology. And that's takes us to"}, {"start": "02:08:11", "end": "02:08:15", "text": "the bloodline ruling families. What what"}, {"start": "02:08:13", "end": "02:08:17", "text": "is the leverage that they have that"}, {"start": "02:08:15", "end": "02:08:19", "text": "they're able to to use the power? What"}, {"start": "02:08:17", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "gives them their power?"}, {"start": "02:08:19", "end": "02:08:23", "text": ">> Well, these bloodline ruling families, I"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "mean, they have enormous financial"}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:26", "text": "resources."}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:29", "text": ">> So is money."}, {"start": "02:08:26", "end": "02:08:31", "text": ">> They control the board of directors of"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "many of these corporations. They they"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "can influence"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "the direction of that company and they"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "can say, \"No, this technology is is too"}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:42", "text": "disruptive. We don't want you to to"}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:45", "text": "release it.\" And I think a lot of people"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:47", "text": "don't know that that all the major"}, {"start": "02:08:45", "end": "02:08:51", "text": "countries, central national banks report"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:53", "text": "to a senior bank. The IMF and the"}, {"start": "02:08:51", "end": "02:08:53", "text": "Federal Reserve all report to a senior"}, {"start": "02:08:53", "end": "02:08:54", "text": "bank."}, {"start": "02:08:53", "end": "02:08:57", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:08:54", "end": "02:09:00", "text": ">> That meets in secret once a year. I I I"}, {"start": "02:08:57", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "I don't even think we we know the board."}, {"start": "02:09:00", "end": "02:09:05", "text": "It's very secret. I I'm going to do an"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:07", "text": "episode about it,"}, {"start": "02:09:05", "end": "02:09:11", "text": "but that's an organization that can pull"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:15", "text": "the lever on"}, {"start": "02:09:11", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "$200 trillion at a time, right?"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:19", "text": "So that's pretty that's a lot of power."}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:22", "text": ">> Exactly. If you control the financial"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:25", "text": "power and you control the board of"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:28", "text": "directors through shares, if you're one"}, {"start": "02:09:25", "end": "02:09:30", "text": "of these ruling bloodline families, you"}, {"start": "02:09:28", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "have"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "others from those bloodline families"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:35", "text": "that get together. you know, we're"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "talking Rothschilds, Rockefellers,"}, {"start": "02:09:35", "end": "02:09:40", "text": "Medici,"}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:43", "text": ">> all of these very powerful families and"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "and they get together and they say,"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:48", "text": ">> \"Well, this technology is not something"}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:51", "text": "we're going to allow to be released for"}, {"start": "02:09:48", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "x number of years.\" And the people that"}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:58", "text": "run the corporations that have developed"}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:10:01", "text": "some of those craft, they can't release"}, {"start": "02:09:58", "end": "02:10:04", "text": "those publicly. I mean, maybe they're"}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:08", "text": "given limited orders to build some of"}, {"start": "02:10:04", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "those craft for the bloodline families"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "for some intelligence uh communities. I"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "mean, that's I think what"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:18", "text": "Mark McCandish"}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "revealed. I mean, he was told by Brad"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:25", "text": "Sorenson about these three craft that"}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:28", "text": "were on display."}, {"start": "02:10:25", "end": "02:10:30", "text": ">> Yeah, that's those that's the ARV."}, {"start": "02:10:28", "end": "02:10:30", "text": ">> Exactly. the ARV craft."}, {"start": "02:10:30", "end": "02:10:32", "text": ">> Another suicide."}, {"start": "02:10:30", "end": "02:10:35", "text": ">> The the flux liner."}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:37", "text": ">> The flux liner. And another suicide."}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah. Mark McCandish. Right."}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:44", "text": "And and so and those three craft"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:46", "text": "a limited number were made. They were"}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:49", "text": "fully operational craft. A limited"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:51", "text": "number were made by someone maybe Skunk"}, {"start": "02:10:49", "end": "02:10:53", "text": "Works made those craft"}, {"start": "02:10:51", "end": "02:10:55", "text": ">> and there would have been customers"}, {"start": "02:10:53", "end": "02:10:58", "text": "because that was an air show or a"}, {"start": "02:10:55", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "classified air show. So someone would"}, {"start": "02:10:58", "end": "02:11:03", "text": "but who would have been the customers?"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:05", "text": "Someone a representative of the the"}, {"start": "02:11:03", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "Medici or the Rothschilds or"}, {"start": "02:11:05", "end": "02:11:08", "text": ">> that's the customers you think?"}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:10", "text": ">> Yeah, I I think that's those are the"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:14", "text": "kind of customers we're talking about."}, {"start": "02:11:10", "end": "02:11:16", "text": "The people who could go to a classified"}, {"start": "02:11:14", "end": "02:11:18", "text": "air show like that, you know, and we're"}, {"start": "02:11:16", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "talking about ruling bloodline families."}, {"start": "02:11:18", "end": "02:11:25", "text": "We're talking about"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "some organizations such as say the NRO,"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "the CIA, Air Force, special operations"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "that could go there and say, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "yeah, we we want three of those. We want"}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:36", "text": "five of those. Yeah, I'll take one of"}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:38", "text": "those.\" And but you have limited orders."}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "and and that's the way it's done at the"}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "moment that I think that there's this"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:46", "text": "parallel world of"}, {"start": "02:11:44", "end": "02:11:49", "text": "technologies that have been built on a"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "limited basis by these legacy aerospace"}, {"start": "02:11:49", "end": "02:11:55", "text": "corporations that have Irads"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "and the board of directors are"}, {"start": "02:11:55", "end": "02:11:59", "text": "controlled by these ruling bloodline"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:02", "text": "families and they say you can build a"}, {"start": "02:11:59", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "limited number of these craft for these"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:05", "text": "customers but that's it."}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:07", "text": ">> But that's it."}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:09", "text": ">> That's it. Well, you're a Hawaii guy. Do"}, {"start": "02:12:07", "end": "02:12:11", "text": "you remember when Daniel Loya was"}, {"start": "02:12:09", "end": "02:12:13", "text": "talking about the secret? They have"}, {"start": "02:12:11", "end": "02:12:15", "text": "their own military, they have their own"}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:16", "text": "this or that. Was he talking about the"}, {"start": "02:12:15", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "families?"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:19", "text": ">> Totally. I think that's exactly what he"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:21", "text": "was talking about."}, {"start": "02:12:19", "end": "02:12:23", "text": ">> And and I and I hats off to Steven"}, {"start": "02:12:21", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "Greer. I mean, I I think he's done"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:30", "text": "fabulous research over the years. And"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:32", "text": "Prince Hans Adam of Likenstein is a"}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:35", "text": "member of these ruling families. And of"}, {"start": "02:12:32", "end": "02:12:38", "text": "course, Lawrence Rockefeller was the the"}, {"start": "02:12:35", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "kind of white hat. Yeah. Among the one"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:42", "text": "of these ruling families wanting to get"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "the information out."}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "But I think Greer is absolutely correct"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:51", "text": "that these ruling families are the ones"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "that decide how much of this information"}, {"start": "02:12:51", "end": "02:12:56", "text": "or how much of this technology can be"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:59", "text": "released and and when and why they do"}, {"start": "02:12:56", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "it."}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:05", "text": "They are black magicians or dark"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:09", "text": "magicians if you like. They understand"}, {"start": "02:13:05", "end": "02:13:13", "text": "that real power comes from being able to"}, {"start": "02:13:09", "end": "02:13:15", "text": "control millions of people through your"}, {"start": "02:13:13", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "control of the mass media, through your"}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:21", "text": "control of of the economy,"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:25", "text": "getting people to think in a certain"}, {"start": "02:13:21", "end": "02:13:28", "text": "way, getting policies passed by members"}, {"start": "02:13:25", "end": "02:13:31", "text": "of Congress who you influence and"}, {"start": "02:13:28", "end": "02:13:34", "text": "control through financial contributions"}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:36", "text": "and so forth. And you can control"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:38", "text": "humanity in that way. You get them to"}, {"start": "02:13:36", "end": "02:13:40", "text": "think in a certain way."}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:43", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:13:40", "end": "02:13:48", "text": "because their real fear, these ruling"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:53", "text": "bloodline families are people that want"}, {"start": "02:13:48", "end": "02:13:57", "text": "to reveal that we have within us this"}, {"start": "02:13:53", "end": "02:13:59", "text": "infinite creative potential that we can"}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:03", "text": "manifest an incredible world of"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:06", "text": "abundance and beauty."}, {"start": "02:14:03", "end": "02:14:07", "text": "And all we have to do is think it at a"}, {"start": "02:14:06", "end": "02:14:10", "text": "collective level. That's all we have to"}, {"start": "02:14:07", "end": "02:14:13", "text": "do. Think it. But instead, what does"}, {"start": "02:14:10", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "Hollywood do? It produces nightmares."}, {"start": "02:14:13", "end": "02:14:17", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:20", "text": ">> These dystopian societies where after"}, {"start": "02:14:17", "end": "02:14:23", "text": "disclosure, you have humans fighting it"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "out to seek out a living in a mad"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:29", "text": "society where there are these dark"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "extraterrestrial entities that are"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "trying to exterminate us. It's like how"}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:39", "text": "you you don't get movies that"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:42", "text": "kind of like uh the like the uh the last"}, {"start": "02:14:39", "end": "02:14:45", "text": "Mimsy is a good example. Movies like"}, {"start": "02:14:42", "end": "02:14:47", "text": "that. Imagine if you instead of"}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:49", "text": "Exterminator and Independence Day, you"}, {"start": "02:14:47", "end": "02:14:52", "text": "have"}, {"start": "02:14:49", "end": "02:14:54", "text": "dozens of Hollywood blockbusters"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:57", "text": "that are based on something like The"}, {"start": "02:14:54", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "Last Mimsy where you have this inherent"}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "power within to manifest a beautiful"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "world."}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "The ruling blood flowing bloodline"}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:08", "text": "families don't want that."}, {"start": "02:15:07", "end": "02:15:10", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:12", "text": ">> So, they prevent it. And that's why they"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "they're fighting tooth and nail to"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:17", "text": "prevent disclosure."}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:19", "text": ">> Well, don't don't the races the"}, {"start": "02:15:17", "end": "02:15:21", "text": "extraterrestrial races or terrestrial"}, {"start": "02:15:19", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "races that built those vehicles, the"}, {"start": "02:15:21", "end": "02:15:26", "text": "technology, don't they have a say in it?"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:28", "text": "Don't they"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:30", "text": "why do they have to report to the"}, {"start": "02:15:28", "end": "02:15:31", "text": "families?"}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:34", "text": "The Nordics could just say, \"Here we"}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:36", "text": "are. We don't care about those"}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:38", "text": "families.\""}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:42", "text": "But of course, the Nordics understand"}, {"start": "02:15:38", "end": "02:15:45", "text": "the public perception would be swayed by"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "those that control the mass media and"}, {"start": "02:15:45", "end": "02:15:50", "text": "the political class. And if the Nordics"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "show up with the benign most benign"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:55", "text": "intentions,"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:57", "text": "what you would have instead is the mass"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "media and the polit political class"}, {"start": "02:15:57", "end": "02:16:02", "text": "saying, \"No, they're not beautiful"}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:05", "text": "looking humans. This is a takeover"}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:09", "text": "attempt by the reptilians who are"}, {"start": "02:16:05", "end": "02:16:11", "text": "impersonating humans. Think V. Think V."}, {"start": "02:16:09", "end": "02:16:13", "text": "You know the the series V."}, {"start": "02:16:11", "end": "02:16:16", "text": ">> They're reptilians in disguise. Don't"}, {"start": "02:16:13", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "believe them. And the Nordics understand"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:23", "text": "this. They understand that if they tried"}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "to preempt this or tried to reveal"}, {"start": "02:16:23", "end": "02:16:30", "text": "themselves, it would be the narrative"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "would be u switched from what would"}, {"start": "02:16:30", "end": "02:16:36", "text": "truthfully be happening to this lie that"}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:39", "text": "no, it's reptilians in disguise that are"}, {"start": "02:16:36", "end": "02:16:41", "text": "here to take over our world and eat us."}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:44", "text": ">> That's that's probably what would"}, {"start": "02:16:41", "end": "02:16:46", "text": "happen. And then you've got humans"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:48", "text": "attacking these. That's probably what"}, {"start": "02:16:46", "end": "02:16:52", "text": "would happen."}, {"start": "02:16:48", "end": "02:16:55", "text": "And they do have that kind of power."}, {"start": "02:16:52", "end": "02:16:57", "text": "And yeah, I think and I think that's why"}, {"start": "02:16:55", "end": "02:17:00", "text": "there's such a powerful battle being"}, {"start": "02:16:57", "end": "02:17:03", "text": "fought right now and why the Trump"}, {"start": "02:17:00", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "administration is at the center of that"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:10", "text": "and and why the creation of Space Force"}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:12", "text": "is was so important because it was"}, {"start": "02:17:10", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "something that the deep state tried to"}, {"start": "02:17:12", "end": "02:17:18", "text": "prevent. It wasn't I've heard you say"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:21", "text": "that um after Brookings we needed we"}, {"start": "02:17:18", "end": "02:17:23", "text": "needed space force to be formed before"}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "disclosure because you don't want"}, {"start": "02:17:23", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "disclosure before you have a way to"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:30", "text": "defend against it if it's an addition"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "threat. That makes sense to me."}, {"start": "02:17:30", "end": "02:17:34", "text": ">> Right. There was something called the"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "space commission that was set up by the"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "Clinton administration and Donald"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "Rumsfeld was the chairman of the space"}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "commission."}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:44", "text": ">> Yes. And the report of the space"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:47", "text": "commission was recommendation"}, {"start": "02:17:44", "end": "02:17:50", "text": "to create a space core that would"}, {"start": "02:17:47", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "prevent a future uh"}, {"start": "02:17:50", "end": "02:17:54", "text": ">> space Pearl Harbor."}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:59", "text": ">> Right. So that was that that report came"}, {"start": "02:17:54", "end": "02:18:02", "text": "out in 2000 2001"}, {"start": "02:17:59", "end": "02:18:04", "text": "and Rumsfeld"}, {"start": "02:18:02", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "became the secretary of defense under"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:10", "text": "the first Bush administration and"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:13", "text": "Rumsfeld was trying to"}, {"start": "02:18:10", "end": "02:18:17", "text": "create the legislation or the policy for"}, {"start": "02:18:13", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "the creation of a space corp."}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:24", "text": "But before that could happen, you had"}, {"start": "02:18:20", "end": "02:18:27", "text": "9/11. And so all of a sudden, the"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:30", "text": "emphasis switched from preparing the"}, {"start": "02:18:27", "end": "02:18:34", "text": "United States for a potential space"}, {"start": "02:18:30", "end": "02:18:36", "text": "Pearl Harbor from who knows who to"}, {"start": "02:18:34", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "fighting these terrorists in the hills"}, {"start": "02:18:36", "end": "02:18:39", "text": "of Afghanistan."}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:40", "text": ">> That's right. It happened right at the"}, {"start": "02:18:39", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "same time."}, {"start": "02:18:40", "end": "02:18:46", "text": ">> Exactly. And and of course there was"}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:51", "text": "also other aspects of Rumsfeld revealing"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "the hidden or the the misappropriation"}, {"start": "02:18:51", "end": "02:18:56", "text": "of trillions of dollars on September 10."}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:18:57", "text": "He announced that there were"}, {"start": "02:18:56", "end": "02:19:00", "text": ">> that's right"}, {"start": "02:18:57", "end": "02:19:02", "text": ">> $2.1 trillion missing Pentagon budget"}, {"start": "02:19:00", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "and"}, {"start": "02:19:02", "end": "02:19:08", "text": ">> he was alluding to well where's that"}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "money going? What's it being used for?"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "So the attempt to set up a space corps"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "was shut down very early on. And I think"}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:21", "text": "this goes back to the ruling bloodline"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "families because they understand"}, {"start": "02:19:21", "end": "02:19:26", "text": "that once you get something like a space"}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:29", "text": "force being created that there's a"}, {"start": "02:19:26", "end": "02:19:33", "text": "momentum behind"}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:35", "text": "the military that the military"}, {"start": "02:19:33", "end": "02:19:38", "text": "want this kind of technology being"}, {"start": "02:19:35", "end": "02:19:44", "text": "released. And if you give them the means"}, {"start": "02:19:38", "end": "02:19:48", "text": "in terms of a capability in space where"}, {"start": "02:19:44", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "you have the development of technologies"}, {"start": "02:19:48", "end": "02:19:54", "text": "for a future control of space to prevent"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "things like a a future space Pearl"}, {"start": "02:19:54", "end": "02:20:00", "text": "Harbor that that would inevitably lead"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:04", "text": "to the release of these technologies"}, {"start": "02:20:00", "end": "02:20:08", "text": "that Loheed Martin has and and North"}, {"start": "02:20:04", "end": "02:20:11", "text": "Grumman and and Ra Rathon. And so to"}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:15", "text": "shuttle that down, they"}, {"start": "02:20:11", "end": "02:20:18", "text": "manufactured 9/11 to distract the"}, {"start": "02:20:15", "end": "02:20:21", "text": "American public for close to 20 years"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:24", "text": "from the need for this defense against a"}, {"start": "02:20:21", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "you space Pearl Harbor. And then Trump"}, {"start": "02:20:24", "end": "02:20:31", "text": "comes on the scene and he virtually"}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:33", "text": "early on from very early in his first"}, {"start": "02:20:31", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "administration says, \"Space Force what a"}, {"start": "02:20:33", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "great idea. It's my idea.\" So it is even"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "better."}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:39", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:41", "text": ">> It is better than the old space corps"}, {"start": "02:20:39", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "idea. But he becomes a champion for"}, {"start": "02:20:41", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "space force."}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:47", "text": ">> How does he get it through? How was he"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:49", "text": "allowed to get that one through?"}, {"start": "02:20:47", "end": "02:20:52", "text": ">> Sheer force of will. Uh he he got it"}, {"start": "02:20:49", "end": "02:20:54", "text": "through. I mean the the ruling bloodline"}, {"start": "02:20:52", "end": "02:20:58", "text": "families. They had their people in in"}, {"start": "02:20:54", "end": "02:21:01", "text": "positions of power. The Secretary of the"}, {"start": "02:20:58", "end": "02:21:05", "text": "Air Force at the time, Heather Wilson,"}, {"start": "02:21:01", "end": "02:21:10", "text": "she had gag orders on the need for"}, {"start": "02:21:05", "end": "02:21:11", "text": "developing a an independent space force."}, {"start": "02:21:10", "end": "02:21:14", "text": "Who had a gag order?"}, {"start": "02:21:11", "end": "02:21:15", "text": ">> Who can gag her? Only sect defe I would"}, {"start": "02:21:14", "end": "02:21:17", "text": "think."}, {"start": "02:21:15", "end": "02:21:17", "text": ">> No, no. Heather Wilson issued the gag"}, {"start": "02:21:17", "end": "02:21:18", "text": "order."}, {"start": "02:21:17", "end": "02:21:20", "text": ">> Oh, she issued the gag order."}, {"start": "02:21:18", "end": "02:21:23", "text": ">> She issued the gag order. So, no air"}, {"start": "02:21:20", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "force officer talk about the the need"}, {"start": "02:21:23", "end": "02:21:25", "text": "for creating a space force. That's the"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:27", "text": "whole department then."}, {"start": "02:21:25", "end": "02:21:29", "text": ">> Exactly. The whole department of the Air"}, {"start": "02:21:27", "end": "02:21:31", "text": "Force. There was a gag order that"}, {"start": "02:21:29", "end": "02:21:33", "text": "Heather Wilson issued and I talk about"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:35", "text": "it in in the book Space Force, our Star"}, {"start": "02:21:33", "end": "02:21:38", "text": "Trek Future,"}, {"start": "02:21:35", "end": "02:21:40", "text": ">> to put out a gag order to prevent Air"}, {"start": "02:21:38", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "Force officers for talking about the"}, {"start": "02:21:40", "end": "02:21:46", "text": "need for an independent space"}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:48", "text": "organization. The very thing"}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:51", "text": "that was proposed in the Rumsfeld Space"}, {"start": "02:21:48", "end": "02:21:53", "text": "Commission in 2000 that led to his"}, {"start": "02:21:51", "end": "02:21:56", "text": "recommendation for a space core. She's"}, {"start": "02:21:53", "end": "02:21:58", "text": "now saying, \"Don't talk about that.\" So"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:22:01", "text": "clearly,"}, {"start": "02:21:58", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "you have a continuation from 9/11,"}, {"start": "02:22:01", "end": "02:22:05", "text": "whoever was behind 911, and I think the"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:07", "text": "ruling bloodline families facilitated"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:10", "text": "that to this."}, {"start": "02:22:07", "end": "02:22:13", "text": ">> I can't I can't argue with you,"}, {"start": "02:22:10", "end": "02:22:16", "text": ">> to this to the gag orders against"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "creating a space force. So Trump sacks"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:25", "text": "Heather Wilson, puts his own person as"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:27", "text": "the secretary of the Air Force and he"}, {"start": "02:22:25", "end": "02:22:30", "text": "mandates the creation of a space force."}, {"start": "02:22:27", "end": "02:22:32", "text": "And sure enough, the people in the Air"}, {"start": "02:22:30", "end": "02:22:34", "text": "Force love it. They love the idea. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:22:32", "end": "02:22:35", "text": "we want to have a space force."}, {"start": "02:22:34", "end": "02:22:37", "text": ">> Of course,"}, {"start": "02:22:35", "end": "02:22:39", "text": ">> we need a dedicated space service. And"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:41", "text": "so they were all for it, which is"}, {"start": "02:22:39", "end": "02:22:43", "text": "exactly what would have happened in in"}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:45", "text": "2001,"}, {"start": "02:22:43", "end": "02:22:47", "text": "which is what they stopped because they"}, {"start": "02:22:45", "end": "02:22:48", "text": "understand that the military mindset is"}, {"start": "02:22:47", "end": "02:22:51", "text": "like,"}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:54", "text": ">> man, why why stop at Air Force, you"}, {"start": "02:22:51", "end": "02:22:57", "text": "know, F-22s and F-35s? If we can have"}, {"start": "02:22:54", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "anti-gravity spacecraft that can do"}, {"start": "02:22:57", "end": "02:23:01", "text": "battle in deep space,"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:04", "text": ">> why why the f, you know, we want these"}, {"start": "02:23:01", "end": "02:23:07", "text": "space toys, we're all for it."}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:10", "text": "So yeah, so they they exactly what they"}, {"start": "02:23:07", "end": "02:23:14", "text": "wanted and and so the deep state tried,"}, {"start": "02:23:10", "end": "02:23:18", "text": "they failed because Trump"}, {"start": "02:23:14", "end": "02:23:21", "text": "for various reasons was wanting to move"}, {"start": "02:23:18", "end": "02:23:24", "text": "forward with the creation of this space"}, {"start": "02:23:21", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "force because these people and I think"}, {"start": "02:23:24", "end": "02:23:28", "text": "that they are associated with the"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:32", "text": "military"}, {"start": "02:23:28", "end": "02:23:34", "text": "understand that you know not only is"}, {"start": "02:23:32", "end": "02:23:38", "text": "this of great benefit"}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:39", "text": "to American citizens and humanity the"}, {"start": "02:23:38", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "release of these suppressed"}, {"start": "02:23:39", "end": "02:23:47", "text": "technologies, but that also"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "why have"}, {"start": "02:23:47", "end": "02:23:52", "text": "maybe a dozen spacecraft that you're"}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:55", "text": "using for elite units like Air Force"}, {"start": "02:23:52", "end": "02:23:59", "text": "special operations that JP photographed"}, {"start": "02:23:55", "end": "02:24:03", "text": "back in 2017 that these exist that these"}, {"start": "02:23:59", "end": "02:24:06", "text": "craft are using. Why? Why have"}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:08", "text": "a few dozen of these being used for"}, {"start": "02:24:06", "end": "02:24:12", "text": "special operations"}, {"start": "02:24:08", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "when you can have 300 squadrons like"}, {"start": "02:24:12", "end": "02:24:19", "text": "like the Air Force has 300 squadrons to"}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "develop air superiority over the planet."}, {"start": "02:24:19", "end": "02:24:23", "text": ">> You have 300 squadrons of Air Force"}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:27", "text": "jets."}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:31", "text": ">> Mhm. Well, why not have 300 squadrons of"}, {"start": "02:24:27", "end": "02:24:34", "text": "these flying saucer craft, TR3B craft?"}, {"start": "02:24:31", "end": "02:24:37", "text": "Who in their right mind wouldn't say,"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:40", "text": "\"Yeah, that's what we want. We want to"}, {"start": "02:24:37", "end": "02:24:42", "text": "have full spectrum domination in space.\""}, {"start": "02:24:40", "end": "02:24:44", "text": "And that's what we're having now. I"}, {"start": "02:24:42", "end": "02:24:47", "text": "mean, that that is happening right now."}, {"start": "02:24:44", "end": "02:24:48", "text": "I mean the the latest"}, {"start": "02:24:47", "end": "02:24:50", "text": "um"}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:53", "text": "directives from the Trump administration"}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:55", "text": "are all about developing full spectrum"}, {"start": "02:24:53", "end": "02:24:58", "text": "domination in cis lunar space. So this"}, {"start": "02:24:55", "end": "02:25:01", "text": "is happening right now and this is all a"}, {"start": "02:24:58", "end": "02:25:05", "text": "consequence of Trump"}, {"start": "02:25:01", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "creating the space force, creating um"}, {"start": "02:25:05", "end": "02:25:13", "text": "recreating US space command"}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:16", "text": "and and now this is all"}, {"start": "02:25:13", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "generating the momentum for the release"}, {"start": "02:25:16", "end": "02:25:23", "text": "of these advanced technologies that have"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "been previously built"}, {"start": "02:25:23", "end": "02:25:31", "text": "for for limited space operations to now"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:33", "text": "being built or mass-produced for full"}, {"start": "02:25:31", "end": "02:25:37", "text": "spectrum domination in space."}, {"start": "02:25:33", "end": "02:25:39", "text": ">> So, does that mean Solar Warden and"}, {"start": "02:25:37", "end": "02:25:41", "text": "those secret space programs that predate"}, {"start": "02:25:39", "end": "02:25:44", "text": "Space Force"}, {"start": "02:25:41", "end": "02:25:48", "text": "exist? Like when Gary Gary McKinnon"}, {"start": "02:25:44", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "found those strange lists at NASA about"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:53", "text": "off-fleet officers and names of ships"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:54", "text": "and stuff, I don't think he's lying. I"}, {"start": "02:25:53", "end": "02:25:58", "text": "mean, he's not lying. America tried to"}, {"start": "02:25:54", "end": "02:26:00", "text": "extradite him and and Obama was denied."}, {"start": "02:25:58", "end": "02:26:03", "text": "I think he's telling the truth."}, {"start": "02:26:00", "end": "02:26:04", "text": ">> Absolutely. I think he revealed exactly"}, {"start": "02:26:03", "end": "02:26:04", "text": "what he saw."}, {"start": "02:26:04", "end": "02:26:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:04", "end": "02:26:09", "text": ">> That there were these cigar- shaped"}, {"start": "02:26:07", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "craft"}, {"start": "02:26:09", "end": "02:26:14", "text": "that were involved in these fleet fleet"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "transfers of non-terrestrial officers."}, {"start": "02:26:14", "end": "02:26:20", "text": "So I think right there you have evidence"}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:22", "text": "of a secret space program."}, {"start": "02:26:20", "end": "02:26:26", "text": "But one of the things that people don't"}, {"start": "02:26:22", "end": "02:26:29", "text": "know about the uh McKinnon case is that"}, {"start": "02:26:26", "end": "02:26:33", "text": "shortly after he revealed the existence"}, {"start": "02:26:29", "end": "02:26:35", "text": "of this secret space program,"}, {"start": "02:26:33", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "Space Command, US Space Command, which"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:42", "text": "was at the time one of the 10 combatant"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:46", "text": "commands was subordinated"}, {"start": "02:26:42", "end": "02:26:49", "text": "into the Air Force. So"}, {"start": "02:26:46", "end": "02:26:53", "text": "someone decided that what McKinnon had"}, {"start": "02:26:49", "end": "02:26:56", "text": "done exposed too much of what was going"}, {"start": "02:26:53", "end": "02:27:00", "text": "on and so they decided to bury it. So"}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:02", "text": "now space command is demoted into a"}, {"start": "02:27:00", "end": "02:27:05", "text": "subordinate"}, {"start": "02:27:02", "end": "02:27:09", "text": "command of the air force"}, {"start": "02:27:05", "end": "02:27:13", "text": "and and so that means that whatever"}, {"start": "02:27:09", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "space command was doing it was being"}, {"start": "02:27:13", "end": "02:27:19", "text": "hamstrung now as a result of McKinnon's"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:23", "text": "revelations. So, you know, that raises"}, {"start": "02:27:19", "end": "02:27:25", "text": "the question, well, was McKinnon set up"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:28", "text": "to see this? Because they wanted to"}, {"start": "02:27:25", "end": "02:27:29", "text": "suppress"}, {"start": "02:27:28", "end": "02:27:31", "text": "space command and they wanted to"}, {"start": "02:27:29", "end": "02:27:34", "text": "suppress"}, {"start": "02:27:31", "end": "02:27:37", "text": "the momentum for creating a space force."}, {"start": "02:27:34", "end": "02:27:40", "text": "So, and that's how they did it by"}, {"start": "02:27:37", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "releasing some of what's come what's"}, {"start": "02:27:40", "end": "02:27:48", "text": "really happening and and then that"}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:49", "text": "becoming a case for burying space"}, {"start": "02:27:48", "end": "02:27:53", "text": "command within the department of the air"}, {"start": "02:27:49", "end": "02:27:56", "text": "force and doing nothing with the whole"}, {"start": "02:27:53", "end": "02:27:58", "text": "idea of creating a space core."}, {"start": "02:27:56", "end": "02:27:59", "text": ">> So, you don't think they had built"}, {"start": "02:27:58", "end": "02:28:01", "text": "anything yet?"}, {"start": "02:27:59", "end": "02:28:02", "text": "I think they had built they had built a"}, {"start": "02:28:01", "end": "02:28:04", "text": "lot of stuff"}, {"start": "02:28:02", "end": "02:28:07", "text": ">> because it sounds like he thinks that"}, {"start": "02:28:04", "end": "02:28:08", "text": "there were off-world crew."}, {"start": "02:28:07", "end": "02:28:13", "text": ">> Oh yeah, I think that there were but"}, {"start": "02:28:08", "end": "02:28:14", "text": "these were used for"}, {"start": "02:28:13", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "two primary"}, {"start": "02:28:14", "end": "02:28:19", "text": "purposes, military purposes. One is"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:22", "text": "intelligence gathering. So the"}, {"start": "02:28:19", "end": "02:28:24", "text": "intelligence community would use these"}, {"start": "02:28:22", "end": "02:28:26", "text": "reverse engineered craft like the fly"}, {"start": "02:28:24", "end": "02:28:27", "text": "the you know the three the flux liners"}, {"start": "02:28:26", "end": "02:28:30", "text": "built"}, {"start": "02:28:27", "end": "02:28:33", "text": ">> and and the other was special"}, {"start": "02:28:30", "end": "02:28:33", "text": "operations."}, {"start": "02:28:33", "end": "02:28:38", "text": "But that would mean that you only need a"}, {"start": "02:28:35", "end": "02:28:43", "text": "limited number of these craft."}, {"start": "02:28:38", "end": "02:28:45", "text": "But the people in the military that"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:47", "text": "wanted more of these craft understood"}, {"start": "02:28:45", "end": "02:28:51", "text": "that you had to change military"}, {"start": "02:28:47", "end": "02:28:57", "text": "doctrine. So that space rather than"}, {"start": "02:28:51", "end": "02:29:01", "text": "space being uh place for peace for"}, {"start": "02:28:57", "end": "02:29:02", "text": "peaceful relations between humanity in"}, {"start": "02:29:01", "end": "02:29:06", "text": "in accordance with the outer space"}, {"start": "02:29:02", "end": "02:29:09", "text": "treaty of 1967 which called for space"}, {"start": "02:29:06", "end": "02:29:11", "text": "being the domain for peaceful"}, {"start": "02:29:09", "end": "02:29:13", "text": "cooperation and that you shouldn't"}, {"start": "02:29:11", "end": "02:29:14", "text": "weaponize it. No mass weapons in space"}, {"start": "02:29:13", "end": "02:29:17", "text": "and so forth."}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:19", "text": ">> No nation can claim anything in space,"}, {"start": "02:29:17", "end": "02:29:22", "text": ">> right? No. no base, no military base to"}, {"start": "02:29:19", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "be built on the moon and so forth."}, {"start": "02:29:22", "end": "02:29:29", "text": "You needed to come up with a new"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "doctrine for space that would distance"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:37", "text": "the US military from the peaceful uses"}, {"start": "02:29:32", "end": "02:29:40", "text": "of space that were being advocated under"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:43", "text": "the out under the outer space treaty to"}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:46", "text": "now space being being a contested"}, {"start": "02:29:43", "end": "02:29:48", "text": "battlefield where the US needed to"}, {"start": "02:29:46", "end": "02:29:52", "text": "assert full spectrum domination."}, {"start": "02:29:48", "end": "02:29:52", "text": ">> But who's the enemy?"}, {"start": "02:29:52", "end": "02:29:57", "text": "You can be vague about that. Like a"}, {"start": "02:29:54", "end": "02:29:57", "text": "space Pearl Harbor, could be China,"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:29:59", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:00", "text": ">> Could be Russia, could be anyone."}, {"start": "02:29:59", "end": "02:30:02", "text": ">> When the media said he was talking about"}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:07", "text": "satellites when he talked about Pearl"}, {"start": "02:30:02", "end": "02:30:07", "text": "Harbor, I'm not sure he was"}, {"start": "02:30:07", "end": "02:30:10", "text": "cuz I don't know how satellites are"}, {"start": "02:30:08", "end": "02:30:12", "text": "Pearl Harbor."}, {"start": "02:30:10", "end": "02:30:13", "text": ">> That would have been a Space Pearl"}, {"start": "02:30:12", "end": "02:30:15", "text": "Harbor. Like if all of a sudden the"}, {"start": "02:30:13", "end": "02:30:16", "text": "satellite grid was just destroyed by"}, {"start": "02:30:15", "end": "02:30:17", "text": "someone."}, {"start": "02:30:16", "end": "02:30:19", "text": ">> That's true. That would have been a"}, {"start": "02:30:17", "end": "02:30:20", "text": "space pool harbor because all of a"}, {"start": "02:30:19", "end": "02:30:24", "text": "sudden the US's"}, {"start": "02:30:20", "end": "02:30:27", "text": ">> military is blind. But that doctrinal"}, {"start": "02:30:24", "end": "02:30:30", "text": "shift from"}, {"start": "02:30:27", "end": "02:30:33", "text": "space being considered a benign"}, {"start": "02:30:30", "end": "02:30:37", "text": "environment for peaceful cooperation"}, {"start": "02:30:33", "end": "02:30:42", "text": "to now being a contested"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:44", "text": "sphere or a contested battle space."}, {"start": "02:30:42", "end": "02:30:47", "text": "That was what Trump did. That was his"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:51", "text": "big innovation. He and that doctrinal"}, {"start": "02:30:47", "end": "02:30:54", "text": "shift was what Heather Wilson was"}, {"start": "02:30:51", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "fighting on behalf of these bloodline"}, {"start": "02:30:54", "end": "02:31:00", "text": "families tooth and nail against that Air"}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:01", "text": "Force officers couldn't talk about that."}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:04", "text": "If you're going to talk about space,"}, {"start": "02:31:01", "end": "02:31:06", "text": "space is a place for peaceful"}, {"start": "02:31:04", "end": "02:31:09", "text": "cooperation."}, {"start": "02:31:06", "end": "02:31:12", "text": "We send up the ISS and a military pilot"}, {"start": "02:31:09", "end": "02:31:13", "text": "might go up to help civilian programs up"}, {"start": "02:31:12", "end": "02:31:16", "text": "there. But we're not going to talk about"}, {"start": "02:31:13", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "space being a contested battle space at"}, {"start": "02:31:16", "end": "02:31:26", "text": "all. Trump changed that. And in changing"}, {"start": "02:31:20", "end": "02:31:29", "text": "that, he opened the door to this huge"}, {"start": "02:31:26", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "shift in the way the military regards"}, {"start": "02:31:29", "end": "02:31:37", "text": "space where all of a sudden space is now"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:41", "text": "contested. The US military needs to"}, {"start": "02:31:37", "end": "02:31:44", "text": "protect its assets in space and develop"}, {"start": "02:31:41", "end": "02:31:48", "text": "the means to be able to defend from all"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:51", "text": "types of enemies in cis luna space. The"}, {"start": "02:31:48", "end": "02:31:53", "text": "the whole region between the the moon"}, {"start": "02:31:51", "end": "02:31:54", "text": "and the earth,"}, {"start": "02:31:53", "end": "02:31:56", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:31:54", "end": "02:31:59", "text": ">> That the military had to defend all of"}, {"start": "02:31:56", "end": "02:32:00", "text": "that. And that's a huge doctrinal shift."}, {"start": "02:31:59", "end": "02:32:04", "text": "And and now we're seeing the fruit of"}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:08", "text": "that where very recently you have the"}, {"start": "02:32:04", "end": "02:32:15", "text": "Trump well you had the uh the secretary"}, {"start": "02:32:08", "end": "02:32:17", "text": "of the air force Troy Mink saying that"}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:19", "text": "the United States"}, {"start": "02:32:17", "end": "02:32:22", "text": "has"}, {"start": "02:32:19", "end": "02:32:25", "text": "orbital weapons platforms"}, {"start": "02:32:22", "end": "02:32:28", "text": "that is a consequence of Trump's"}, {"start": "02:32:25", "end": "02:32:30", "text": "creation of Space Force and making space"}, {"start": "02:32:28", "end": "02:32:31", "text": "a contested battlefield"}, {"start": "02:32:30", "end": "02:32:34", "text": ">> previously."}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:36", "text": ">> But they can't have orbital they can't"}, {"start": "02:32:34", "end": "02:32:37", "text": "have that in space. That's a violation"}, {"start": "02:32:36", "end": "02:32:40", "text": "of international law."}, {"start": "02:32:37", "end": "02:32:43", "text": ">> The outer space treaty prohibits nuclear"}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:48", "text": "weapons and weapons of mass destruction"}, {"start": "02:32:43", "end": "02:32:50", "text": ">> in in orbit. But not defensive weapons."}, {"start": "02:32:48", "end": "02:32:53", "text": ">> There's always a loophole. Um, let's"}, {"start": "02:32:50", "end": "02:32:55", "text": "take a break, but when we come back, the"}, {"start": "02:32:53", "end": "02:32:58", "text": "Outer Space Treaty, a lot of that is"}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:33:01", "text": "based on the Antarctica Treaty of 1959."}, {"start": "02:32:58", "end": "02:33:02", "text": "And I've heard more than one expert say"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:03", "text": "if there's going to be a World War II,"}, {"start": "02:33:02", "end": "02:33:07", "text": "it's going to be the first country that"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:09", "text": "violates the Antarctica Treaty."}, {"start": "02:33:07", "end": "02:33:11", "text": "Be right back."}, {"start": "02:33:09", "end": "02:33:14", "text": "I have in my notes something that I"}, {"start": "02:33:11", "end": "02:33:16", "text": "wasn't really aware of"}, {"start": "02:33:14", "end": "02:33:17", "text": "that"}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:21", "text": "space program that there's tension"}, {"start": "02:33:17", "end": "02:33:23", "text": "there. Solar Warden is connected to Navy"}, {"start": "02:33:21", "end": "02:33:27", "text": "and Nordic aligned. The US Air Force"}, {"start": "02:33:23", "end": "02:33:31", "text": "program is connected to Space Force."}, {"start": "02:33:27", "end": "02:33:32", "text": "And they're at at odds. Does that sound"}, {"start": "02:33:31", "end": "02:33:35", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "02:33:32", "end": "02:33:37", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:33:35", "end": "02:33:38", "text": "they were at odds."}, {"start": "02:33:37", "end": "02:33:40", "text": ">> They were."}, {"start": "02:33:38", "end": "02:33:45", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "02:33:40", "end": "02:33:48", "text": "And and that brings us back to the whole"}, {"start": "02:33:45", "end": "02:33:51", "text": "question about these meetings and"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:54", "text": "agreements that happened. and and and as"}, {"start": "02:33:51", "end": "02:33:58", "text": "far as I could tell, my research showed"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:34:01", "text": "that the Air Force"}, {"start": "02:33:58", "end": "02:34:05", "text": "up until recently was working very"}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:06", "text": "closely with these grays, with these"}, {"start": "02:34:05", "end": "02:34:11", "text": "reptilians,"}, {"start": "02:34:06", "end": "02:34:13", "text": "and that they were working also with"}, {"start": "02:34:11", "end": "02:34:15", "text": "this dark fleet component. We haven't"}, {"start": "02:34:13", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "really gone into that, but that's"}, {"start": "02:34:15", "end": "02:34:21", "text": "something that"}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:22", "text": "was the kind of darker side of of this"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:25", "text": "whole phenomenon."}, {"start": "02:34:22", "end": "02:34:26", "text": ">> And Dark Fleet, you you buy into that"}, {"start": "02:34:25", "end": "02:34:27", "text": "story. I"}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:30", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:34:27", "end": "02:34:33", "text": ">> because some of the Dark Fleet folks,"}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:35", "text": "I've debunked those folks,"}, {"start": "02:34:33", "end": "02:34:36", "text": "but that doesn't mean the story is not"}, {"start": "02:34:35", "end": "02:34:39", "text": "true,"}, {"start": "02:34:36", "end": "02:34:44", "text": ">> right? I think maybe the the Cory good"}, {"start": "02:34:39", "end": "02:34:47", "text": "is is a good example of of someone who"}, {"start": "02:34:44", "end": "02:34:50", "text": "put out information that"}, {"start": "02:34:47", "end": "02:34:52", "text": "resonated and kind of matched a lot of"}, {"start": "02:34:50", "end": "02:34:54", "text": "others and then he"}, {"start": "02:34:52", "end": "02:34:56", "text": ">> but he says he invented dark"}, {"start": "02:34:54", "end": "02:34:59", "text": ">> and and and then then he said well this"}, {"start": "02:34:56", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "is my proprietary information that I"}, {"start": "02:34:59", "end": "02:35:02", "text": "created it through my creative"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:04", "text": "imagination and"}, {"start": "02:35:02", "end": "02:35:05", "text": ">> he kind of like shot himself in the"}, {"start": "02:35:04", "end": "02:35:07", "text": "foot."}, {"start": "02:35:05", "end": "02:35:10", "text": ">> Yes, he did. But but he certainly wasn't"}, {"start": "02:35:07", "end": "02:35:12", "text": "the first one to talk about many"}, {"start": "02:35:10", "end": "02:35:13", "text": "elements of the secret space program."}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:16", "text": ">> No, he wasn't."}, {"start": "02:35:13", "end": "02:35:19", "text": ">> And and I personally"}, {"start": "02:35:16", "end": "02:35:23", "text": "like focus much more on William"}, {"start": "02:35:19", "end": "02:35:26", "text": "Tommpkins because his version has held"}, {"start": "02:35:23", "end": "02:35:27", "text": "up much more"}, {"start": "02:35:26", "end": "02:35:30", "text": "much better because"}, {"start": "02:35:27", "end": "02:35:35", "text": ">> what's what's his story? Well, he served"}, {"start": "02:35:30", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "with the US Navy and he and he from 1942"}, {"start": "02:35:35", "end": "02:35:41", "text": "up until 1946 was stationed at Naval Air"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:45", "text": "Station San Diego. and he says that he"}, {"start": "02:35:41", "end": "02:35:49", "text": "was part of a top secret debriefing"}, {"start": "02:35:45", "end": "02:35:51", "text": "program of Navy spies embedded in Nazi"}, {"start": "02:35:49", "end": "02:35:53", "text": "Germany and that those Navy spies were"}, {"start": "02:35:51", "end": "02:35:56", "text": "bringing back this incredible"}, {"start": "02:35:53", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "information about the Germans having"}, {"start": "02:35:56", "end": "02:36:02", "text": "developed these flying saucer craft,"}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:04", "text": "having developed a base in Antarctica"}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:06", "text": "and that they were moving a lot of these"}, {"start": "02:36:04", "end": "02:36:08", "text": "craft down there and that they had these"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:10", "text": "incredible flight performance"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:13", "text": "characteristics."}, {"start": "02:36:10", "end": "02:36:16", "text": "And Tommpkins job was to"}, {"start": "02:36:13", "end": "02:36:20", "text": "be part of the debriefings of these he"}, {"start": "02:36:16", "end": "02:36:23", "text": "said he named up to 30 Navy young Navy"}, {"start": "02:36:20", "end": "02:36:25", "text": "lieutenants that had infiltrated Nazi"}, {"start": "02:36:23", "end": "02:36:29", "text": "Germany that they were ger they had"}, {"start": "02:36:25", "end": "02:36:32", "text": "German backgrounds and they infiltrated"}, {"start": "02:36:29", "end": "02:36:34", "text": "top corporations in Germany and they"}, {"start": "02:36:32", "end": "02:36:37", "text": "were doing these debriefings and they"}, {"start": "02:36:34", "end": "02:36:40", "text": "were sharing this incredible information"}, {"start": "02:36:37", "end": "02:36:44", "text": "and Tomkins was saying that based on"}, {"start": "02:36:40", "end": "02:36:47", "text": "that information, he then"}, {"start": "02:36:44", "end": "02:36:49", "text": "put together these briefing packets that"}, {"start": "02:36:47", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "would be delivered to all of the top"}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:53", "text": "aerospace corporations in the United"}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:56", "text": "States at the time, which were Douglas"}, {"start": "02:36:53", "end": "02:36:58", "text": "Aircraft, Lockheed, and uh the"}, {"start": "02:36:56", "end": "02:37:00", "text": ">> Hughes, maybe"}, {"start": "02:36:58", "end": "02:37:02", "text": ">> the Hughes Dayton, Ohio with the Air"}, {"start": "02:37:00", "end": "02:37:04", "text": "Force"}, {"start": "02:37:02", "end": "02:37:07", "text": ">> uh"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:09", "text": "development of u jet aircraft and so"}, {"start": "02:37:07", "end": "02:37:14", "text": "forth. So he would deliver these"}, {"start": "02:37:09", "end": "02:37:16", "text": "briefing packets and that he often got a"}, {"start": "02:37:14", "end": "02:37:18", "text": "negative reception because the"}, {"start": "02:37:16", "end": "02:37:20", "text": "engineers, the scientists said, \"No way."}, {"start": "02:37:18", "end": "02:37:22", "text": "The these technologies are not possible."}, {"start": "02:37:20", "end": "02:37:23", "text": "This is bunk and get lost. You're"}, {"start": "02:37:22", "end": "02:37:25", "text": "wasting my time.\""}, {"start": "02:37:23", "end": "02:37:28", "text": ">> Now, we're not talking alien technology."}, {"start": "02:37:25", "end": "02:37:30", "text": "We're right. We're talking jets."}, {"start": "02:37:28", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "We we're talking"}, {"start": "02:37:30", "end": "02:37:36", "text": "technologies that the Germans were"}, {"start": "02:37:33", "end": "02:37:37", "text": "working on as a result of their"}, {"start": "02:37:36", "end": "02:37:39", "text": "collaboration with these reptilian"}, {"start": "02:37:37", "end": "02:37:39", "text": "extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "02:37:39", "end": "02:37:42", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "02:37:39", "end": "02:37:45", "text": ">> so Tommpkin said that these Navy spies"}, {"start": "02:37:42", "end": "02:37:48", "text": "reported reptilian extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:37:45", "end": "02:37:52", "text": "working with the Germans"}, {"start": "02:37:48", "end": "02:37:53", "text": ">> and the reptilians are at war with the"}, {"start": "02:37:52", "end": "02:37:54", "text": "Nordics."}, {"start": "02:37:53", "end": "02:37:57", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:38:00", "text": "So"}, {"start": "02:37:57", "end": "02:38:02", "text": "Nazis in Antarctica, that's absolutely"}, {"start": "02:38:00", "end": "02:38:04", "text": "true. New Robin Land is was there?"}, {"start": "02:38:02", "end": "02:38:05", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:38:04", "end": "02:38:08", "text": ">> And you think that was a base? That"}, {"start": "02:38:05", "end": "02:38:09", "text": "wasn't just a whale oil mission."}, {"start": "02:38:08", "end": "02:38:10", "text": ">> That was a base."}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:12", "text": ">> That was a base."}, {"start": "02:38:10", "end": "02:38:15", "text": ">> That was a top Yeah, that was a base"}, {"start": "02:38:12", "end": "02:38:17", "text": "that these German submarines were able"}, {"start": "02:38:15", "end": "02:38:17", "text": "to"}, {"start": "02:38:17", "end": "02:38:20", "text": ">> go under"}, {"start": "02:38:17", "end": "02:38:22", "text": ">> find because they could go under the the"}, {"start": "02:38:20", "end": "02:38:24", "text": "ice sheets and they they found those."}, {"start": "02:38:22", "end": "02:38:26", "text": "Here's an argument I have with some in"}, {"start": "02:38:24", "end": "02:38:29", "text": "my audience who say that anybody can go"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:31", "text": "to Antarctica because I say nobody can"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "go to Antarctica. Nobody can go there."}, {"start": "02:38:31", "end": "02:38:35", "text": "Yeah, you can take a cruise there. You"}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:36", "text": "can get permission. I said you try and"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:38", "text": "get permission to go somewhere in"}, {"start": "02:38:36", "end": "02:38:40", "text": "Antarctica other than right there at"}, {"start": "02:38:38", "end": "02:38:43", "text": "McMurto McMurto base or you want to go"}, {"start": "02:38:40", "end": "02:38:44", "text": "in there. It's as big as these as the"}, {"start": "02:38:43", "end": "02:38:48", "text": "United States. Good luck getting"}, {"start": "02:38:44", "end": "02:38:51", "text": "permission. You're not going. You agree?"}, {"start": "02:38:48", "end": "02:38:55", "text": ">> Yeah, you you can get to Antarctica. I"}, {"start": "02:38:51", "end": "02:38:57", "text": "mean, Brad Olsen, uh, a friend of mine"}, {"start": "02:38:55", "end": "02:38:59", "text": "who is a good researcher, he's he"}, {"start": "02:38:57", "end": "02:39:01", "text": "traveled to Antarctica, but he didn't"}, {"start": "02:38:59", "end": "02:39:04", "text": "see anything. I mean, he said he was"}, {"start": "02:39:01", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "looking for this stuff, the secret base,"}, {"start": "02:39:04", "end": "02:39:10", "text": "but he couldn't get anywhere close to it"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "because I mean, he was part of a he was"}, {"start": "02:39:10", "end": "02:39:15", "text": "well, I think it was wasn't quite a"}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:17", "text": "cruise ship that he found his passage to"}, {"start": "02:39:15", "end": "02:39:20", "text": "Antarctica, but he couldn't get to these"}, {"start": "02:39:17", "end": "02:39:22", "text": "places. No, it's a massive continent and"}, {"start": "02:39:20", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "you can't go there."}, {"start": "02:39:22", "end": "02:39:27", "text": ">> That's right. You you just can't hire a"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:29", "text": "plane and fly over it."}, {"start": "02:39:27", "end": "02:39:30", "text": ">> And that's what it was a political"}, {"start": "02:39:29", "end": "02:39:33", "text": "scientist I was talking to about"}, {"start": "02:39:30", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "Antarctica and he said all all the"}, {"start": "02:39:33", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "countries agree on this is these are the"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:40", "text": "places where you can go. I I don't I"}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:44", "text": "think there's 17 signatories something"}, {"start": "02:39:40", "end": "02:39:47", "text": "like that. Something like that. And um"}, {"start": "02:39:44", "end": "02:39:50", "text": "and you can go no further. And that's"}, {"start": "02:39:47", "end": "02:39:51", "text": "and he considers that the most important"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:55", "text": "international treaty that the first"}, {"start": "02:39:51", "end": "02:39:57", "text": "country to break that causes a war."}, {"start": "02:39:55", "end": "02:40:02", "text": "The Antarctica treaty. Yes. I've I've"}, {"start": "02:39:57", "end": "02:40:07", "text": "heard that that it is a very important"}, {"start": "02:40:02", "end": "02:40:09", "text": "place for controlling the planet. And"}, {"start": "02:40:07", "end": "02:40:13", "text": "and that's one of the reasons why I"}, {"start": "02:40:09", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "think this base was established there by"}, {"start": "02:40:13", "end": "02:40:17", "text": "the Germans with the help of their"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:22", "text": "friends. the these their off-world"}, {"start": "02:40:17", "end": "02:40:25", "text": "friends is because Antarctica I mean if"}, {"start": "02:40:22", "end": "02:40:29", "text": "you look at the magnetic lines the earth"}, {"start": "02:40:25", "end": "02:40:31", "text": "they go like the earth is like a toyoid"}, {"start": "02:40:29", "end": "02:40:33", "text": "a Taurus and it goes from the north pole"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:36", "text": "to the south pole it's like those"}, {"start": "02:40:33", "end": "02:40:38", "text": "magnetic lines blow around that well"}, {"start": "02:40:36", "end": "02:40:41", "text": ">> if you want to control the entire planet"}, {"start": "02:40:38", "end": "02:40:45", "text": "energetically that is a place you would"}, {"start": "02:40:41", "end": "02:40:47", "text": "need to control is is Antarctica and so"}, {"start": "02:40:45", "end": "02:40:49", "text": "that raises the question. Well, was it"}, {"start": "02:40:47", "end": "02:40:52", "text": "accidental that this is where the"}, {"start": "02:40:49", "end": "02:40:57", "text": "Germans set up their their base, their"}, {"start": "02:40:52", "end": "02:41:03", "text": "original base? And we we know from"}, {"start": "02:40:57", "end": "02:41:06", "text": "the historical records that in 1939,"}, {"start": "02:41:03", "end": "02:41:08", "text": "before World War II started, that"}, {"start": "02:41:06", "end": "02:41:12", "text": "President Roosevelt"}, {"start": "02:41:08", "end": "02:41:14", "text": "instructed Admiral Bird to launch an"}, {"start": "02:41:12", "end": "02:41:15", "text": "expedition to Antarctica to find the"}, {"start": "02:41:14", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "German base. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:41:15", "end": "02:41:20", "text": ">> that's a fact. That's historical record."}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:21", "text": "That's it's a fact. So it's like, well,"}, {"start": "02:41:20", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "people say, well, the Germans didn't"}, {"start": "02:41:21", "end": "02:41:24", "text": "establish"}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:28", "text": ">> a base down there. It's like, well, why"}, {"start": "02:41:24", "end": "02:41:29", "text": "why did Roosevelt command Bird to find"}, {"start": "02:41:28", "end": "02:41:31", "text": "the base, the German base?"}, {"start": "02:41:29", "end": "02:41:34", "text": ">> And think about High Jump. That task"}, {"start": "02:41:31", "end": "02:41:36", "text": "force was armed to the teeth."}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:38", "text": "That you don't do that for penguins."}, {"start": "02:41:36", "end": "02:41:39", "text": ">> That's right. Why do you need 2,000"}, {"start": "02:41:38", "end": "02:41:40", "text": "Marines for a scientific mission to"}, {"start": "02:41:39", "end": "02:41:43", "text": "Antarctica?"}, {"start": "02:41:40", "end": "02:41:43", "text": ">> A carrier, a sub, helicopters, plane. I"}, {"start": "02:41:43", "end": "02:41:45", "text": "mean"}, {"start": "02:41:43", "end": "02:41:47", "text": ">> I mean I haven't seen any Emperor"}, {"start": "02:41:45", "end": "02:41:49", "text": "Penguins with AK-47s yet."}, {"start": "02:41:47", "end": "02:41:52", "text": ">> No, they went down their arm to the"}, {"start": "02:41:49", "end": "02:41:55", "text": "teeth and we still don't know why."}, {"start": "02:41:52", "end": "02:41:58", "text": ">> That's right. And and if you look at the"}, {"start": "02:41:55", "end": "02:41:59", "text": "records of Operation High Jump, they did"}, {"start": "02:41:58", "end": "02:42:02", "text": "a"}, {"start": "02:41:59", "end": "02:42:05", "text": ">> There were the fleets, the three fleets"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:07", "text": "converged in front of Queen Mordland"}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:09", "text": "where where"}, {"start": "02:42:07", "end": "02:42:10", "text": ">> where the base was was"}, {"start": "02:42:09", "end": "02:42:11", "text": ">> that was land that was landing zone."}, {"start": "02:42:10", "end": "02:42:12", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:42:11", "end": "02:42:13", "text": ">> that was the place where you would"}, {"start": "02:42:12", "end": "02:42:13", "text": "launch the attack."}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:18", "text": ">> On on base 211. And apparently that's"}, {"start": "02:42:16", "end": "02:42:20", "text": "what happened. There was an attack"}, {"start": "02:42:18", "end": "02:42:23", "text": "there. They did try to"}, {"start": "02:42:20", "end": "02:42:24", "text": ">> attack the base and take it out, but"}, {"start": "02:42:23", "end": "02:42:27", "text": "they"}, {"start": "02:42:24", "end": "02:42:29", "text": "were the operation high jumps suffered"}, {"start": "02:42:27", "end": "02:42:31", "text": "severe casualties. And of course,"}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:34", "text": "Admiral Bird"}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:37", "text": "went back to the United States via Chile"}, {"start": "02:42:34", "end": "02:42:39", "text": "where he gave that report to Lee Vanetta"}, {"start": "02:42:37", "end": "02:42:40", "text": "and talked about this new enemy that"}, {"start": "02:42:39", "end": "02:42:46", "text": "could fly from pole to pole."}, {"start": "02:42:40", "end": "02:42:49", "text": ">> Yeah. again raising this issue about he"}, {"start": "02:42:46", "end": "02:42:52", "text": "who he who controls the pole or the"}, {"start": "02:42:49", "end": "02:42:54", "text": "south pole has a big hold in controlling"}, {"start": "02:42:52", "end": "02:42:57", "text": "the planet because that's the toroidal"}, {"start": "02:42:54", "end": "02:43:00", "text": "energy field and the entrances into the"}, {"start": "02:42:57", "end": "02:43:03", "text": "inner earth but the big thing about"}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:06", "text": "Admiral Bird and a lot of people don't"}, {"start": "02:43:03", "end": "02:43:09", "text": "appreciate this is that if you look at"}, {"start": "02:43:06", "end": "02:43:12", "text": "his reception in the United States after"}, {"start": "02:43:09", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "operation high jump 1948 he comes back."}, {"start": "02:43:12", "end": "02:43:19", "text": "What was it? February March of of No, 47"}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:21", "text": "47. 47. February March 47. He comes"}, {"start": "02:43:19", "end": "02:43:22", "text": "back."}, {"start": "02:43:21", "end": "02:43:23", "text": "It's all secret."}, {"start": "02:43:22", "end": "02:43:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:25", "text": ">> Compare that with every other time he"}, {"start": "02:43:24", "end": "02:43:26", "text": "came back."}, {"start": "02:43:25", "end": "02:43:27", "text": ">> Ticker tape parade."}, {"start": "02:43:26", "end": "02:43:29", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "02:43:27", "end": "02:43:30", "text": ">> Down in Manhattan."}, {"start": "02:43:29", "end": "02:43:32", "text": ">> What in the world happened?"}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:34", "text": ">> What happened?"}, {"start": "02:43:32", "end": "02:43:36", "text": ">> Something happened in Antarctica."}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:37", "text": ">> Because they were turned back a little"}, {"start": "02:43:36", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "early."}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:45", "text": ">> They wanted to suppress and they gave"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:47", "text": "Bird th this, you know, uh, gag order"}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:50", "text": "that he wasn't to talk about it. And we"}, {"start": "02:43:47", "end": "02:43:52", "text": "really know nothing firsthand from"}, {"start": "02:43:50", "end": "02:43:54", "text": "Admiral Bird. I mean, you have the the"}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:43:56", "text": "diary, the so-called diary,"}, {"start": "02:43:54", "end": "02:43:58", "text": ">> but that I don't believe the diary."}, {"start": "02:43:56", "end": "02:43:59", "text": ">> Yeah, I I think it's"}, {"start": "02:43:58", "end": "02:44:01", "text": ">> it's been debunked."}, {"start": "02:43:59", "end": "02:44:05", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a it's a document that can be"}, {"start": "02:44:01", "end": "02:44:08", "text": "easily debunked. I think it's"}, {"start": "02:44:05", "end": "02:44:09", "text": "put out there to discredit the truth"}, {"start": "02:44:08", "end": "02:44:12", "text": "about what really happened there. And of"}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:16", "text": "course, like any good disinformation,"}, {"start": "02:44:12", "end": "02:44:20", "text": "it's 95% truth, 5% lies."}, {"start": "02:44:16", "end": "02:44:23", "text": ">> Part of that legend is he's flying his"}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:26", "text": "first person craft over the ice. He sees"}, {"start": "02:44:23", "end": "02:44:28", "text": "mammoths, green fields, and the UFOs"}, {"start": "02:44:26", "end": "02:44:30", "text": "come alongside him. He loses control of"}, {"start": "02:44:28", "end": "02:44:32", "text": "the plane. He looks and on the side of"}, {"start": "02:44:30", "end": "02:44:34", "text": "the UFOs are swastikas. the Ariani."}, {"start": "02:44:32", "end": "02:44:36", "text": ">> The Ariani and it goes from there."}, {"start": "02:44:34", "end": "02:44:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. So, it's like, well, is"}, {"start": "02:44:36", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "that the truth that was part of this"}, {"start": "02:44:40", "end": "02:44:45", "text": "diary that's really created for"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:48", "text": "disinformation purposes to discredit"}, {"start": "02:44:45", "end": "02:44:51", "text": "because that's the best way to hide the"}, {"start": "02:44:48", "end": "02:44:54", "text": "truth, right? You you hide it in a pack"}, {"start": "02:44:51", "end": "02:44:55", "text": "of lies or you seed it with a certain"}, {"start": "02:44:54", "end": "02:44:55", "text": "number of lies."}, {"start": "02:44:55", "end": "02:44:58", "text": ">> You do."}, {"start": "02:44:55", "end": "02:45:01", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, what was it? Churchill"}, {"start": "02:44:58", "end": "02:45:04", "text": "said that the that in in a time of war,"}, {"start": "02:45:01", "end": "02:45:05", "text": "truth is so precious that it needs to be"}, {"start": "02:45:04", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "surrounded by a litany of lies."}, {"start": "02:45:05", "end": "02:45:08", "text": ">> Surrounded by a litany of lies, right?"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:12", "text": "It's like, okay, so if there are these"}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:12", "text": "Ariani who are"}, {"start": "02:45:13", "end": "02:45:18", "text": "closet or or that have an affinity with"}, {"start": "02:45:16", "end": "02:45:21", "text": "the Nazi ideology,"}, {"start": "02:45:18", "end": "02:45:24", "text": ">> but some elements of it, well, yeah, you"}, {"start": "02:45:21", "end": "02:45:28", "text": "you hide that truth, but you do it in in"}, {"start": "02:45:24", "end": "02:45:31", "text": "plain sight by putting out this fake uh"}, {"start": "02:45:28", "end": "02:45:35", "text": "diary. But the bottom line is that"}, {"start": "02:45:31", "end": "02:45:38", "text": "William Tommpkins, his information about"}, {"start": "02:45:35", "end": "02:45:41", "text": "Operation High Jump Antarctica was based"}, {"start": "02:45:38", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "on his firsthand exposure to the US"}, {"start": "02:45:41", "end": "02:45:48", "text": "Navy's covert program and then his work"}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "with the Douglas Aircraft Company from"}, {"start": "02:45:48", "end": "02:45:57", "text": "1950 to 1961 where he was part of this"}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:46:00", "text": "think tank called Advanced Design and he"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:04", "text": "worked directly ly under"}, {"start": "02:46:00", "end": "02:46:06", "text": "Dr. William Clemper. And it's like,"}, {"start": "02:46:04", "end": "02:46:10", "text": "well, who is William Clemper?"}, {"start": "02:46:06", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "He was the guy that came to the United"}, {"start": "02:46:10", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "States under contract from the Zeppelin"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "company to help the United States build"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:26", "text": "its first flying aircraft carriers."}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:30", "text": ">> Wow. So he was working with Goodyear"}, {"start": "02:46:26", "end": "02:46:35", "text": "Zeppelin in the 1920s and 30s to build"}, {"start": "02:46:30", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "the uh USS Acron and and Mon. They were"}, {"start": "02:46:35", "end": "02:46:42", "text": "the US Navy's first flying aircraft"}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:45", "text": "carriers. So they were actually flying"}, {"start": "02:46:42", "end": "02:46:46", "text": "aircraft carriers. They were derigibles."}, {"start": "02:46:45", "end": "02:46:48", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:46:46", "end": "02:46:51", "text": ">> Filled with helium. And they could get"}, {"start": "02:46:48", "end": "02:46:53", "text": "these aircraft to fly underneath and"}, {"start": "02:46:51", "end": "02:46:56", "text": "land on them. So these were flying"}, {"start": "02:46:53", "end": "02:46:57", "text": "aircraft carriers in the in the 1930s."}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:46:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:46:57", "end": "02:47:02", "text": ">> The guy who designed these on behalf of"}, {"start": "02:46:59", "end": "02:47:04", "text": "the US Navy"}, {"start": "02:47:02", "end": "02:47:07", "text": "was William Climpmper. And of course"}, {"start": "02:47:04", "end": "02:47:11", "text": "then you had the crashes in 1933."}, {"start": "02:47:07", "end": "02:47:14", "text": "So that project ended. So Climpmper goes"}, {"start": "02:47:11", "end": "02:47:16", "text": "on to work with Douglas Aircraft Company"}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:18", "text": "and then"}, {"start": "02:47:16", "end": "02:47:20", "text": "in 1950"}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:22", "text": "William Tommpkins starts working with"}, {"start": "02:47:20", "end": "02:47:24", "text": "Douglas Aircraft Company. But because of"}, {"start": "02:47:22", "end": "02:47:29", "text": "his work with the Navy, he gets"}, {"start": "02:47:24", "end": "02:47:30", "text": "fasttracked into this advanced design"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "where"}, {"start": "02:47:30", "end": "02:47:37", "text": "Douglas Aircraft is receiving these"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "contracts from the US Navy for designing"}, {"start": "02:47:37", "end": "02:47:43", "text": "space carriers."}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:45", "text": "And the guy running that was Dr. William"}, {"start": "02:47:43", "end": "02:47:47", "text": "Climpmper,"}, {"start": "02:47:45", "end": "02:47:52", "text": ">> the same guy who built the same guy. And"}, {"start": "02:47:47", "end": "02:47:54", "text": "he was Bill Tommpkins boss in this in"}, {"start": "02:47:52", "end": "02:47:57", "text": "this uh project that was run out of"}, {"start": "02:47:54", "end": "02:47:59", "text": "Douglas Aircraft Company. And at the"}, {"start": "02:47:57", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "time people lose sight of the fact that"}, {"start": "02:47:59", "end": "02:48:05", "text": "Douglas Aircraft Company would be the"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:09", "text": "equivalent of how we view Loheed Martin"}, {"start": "02:48:05", "end": "02:48:13", "text": "martonics. was the leading aircraft"}, {"start": "02:48:09", "end": "02:48:16", "text": "designer in the world and and and that's"}, {"start": "02:48:13", "end": "02:48:19", "text": "where the most secretive advanced"}, {"start": "02:48:16", "end": "02:48:25", "text": "projects were being developed. And so if"}, {"start": "02:48:19", "end": "02:48:28", "text": "the US Navy was wanting a major"}, {"start": "02:48:25", "end": "02:48:30", "text": "aerospace corporation to help it design"}, {"start": "02:48:28", "end": "02:48:33", "text": "space carriers,"}, {"start": "02:48:30", "end": "02:48:36", "text": "Douglas Aircraft was the most logical"}, {"start": "02:48:33", "end": "02:48:38", "text": "choice. And the benefit was that you"}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:41", "text": "actually had the guy that had designed"}, {"start": "02:48:38", "end": "02:48:43", "text": "the flying aircraft carriers for the"}, {"start": "02:48:41", "end": "02:48:45", "text": "Navy working there and heading up the"}, {"start": "02:48:43", "end": "02:48:49", "text": "project. So it makes total sense that"}, {"start": "02:48:45", "end": "02:48:50", "text": "Tomkins was exposed to this while at at"}, {"start": "02:48:49", "end": "02:48:52", "text": "Douglas Aircraft Company."}, {"start": "02:48:50", "end": "02:48:54", "text": ">> It does, but it's not derigible anymore."}, {"start": "02:48:52", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "What's his technology to get out of the"}, {"start": "02:48:54", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "atmosphere?"}, {"start": "02:48:58", "end": "02:49:01", "text": "This is the other interesting thing and"}, {"start": "02:49:00", "end": "02:49:04", "text": "it brings us back to the question of"}, {"start": "02:49:01", "end": "02:49:06", "text": "these Nordic extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "02:49:04", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "Tomkins says that while he was working"}, {"start": "02:49:06", "end": "02:49:11", "text": "at Douglas aircraft, there were these"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:15", "text": "three Nordic extraterrestrials. Two"}, {"start": "02:49:11", "end": "02:49:18", "text": "stunningly attractive women and one male"}, {"start": "02:49:15", "end": "02:49:22", "text": "that were embedded in Douglas Aircraft"}, {"start": "02:49:18", "end": "02:49:25", "text": "Company. and they were helping the"}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:29", "text": "engineers and scientists in Douglas to"}, {"start": "02:49:25", "end": "02:49:32", "text": "come up with ideas for designing these"}, {"start": "02:49:29", "end": "02:49:35", "text": "space carriers. And according to"}, {"start": "02:49:32", "end": "02:49:37", "text": "Tomkins, this was what the Nordics were"}, {"start": "02:49:35", "end": "02:49:40", "text": "doing, that they were helping the US"}, {"start": "02:49:37", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "Navy develop"}, {"start": "02:49:40", "end": "02:49:45", "text": "a future generation of space carriers."}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:48", "text": ">> If this is true, then World War II was a"}, {"start": "02:49:45", "end": "02:49:50", "text": "proxy war for alien races."}, {"start": "02:49:48", "end": "02:49:52", "text": "Exactly."}, {"start": "02:49:50", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "That's what happened. And and I sus and"}, {"start": "02:49:52", "end": "02:50:00", "text": "I believe that not only did the Germans"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:03", "text": "get help from the Nordics"}, {"start": "02:50:00", "end": "02:50:06", "text": "or sorry, get help from the reptilians,"}, {"start": "02:50:03", "end": "02:50:08", "text": "but the US got help from the Nordics."}, {"start": "02:50:06", "end": "02:50:11", "text": "But the big difference was, and you find"}, {"start": "02:50:08", "end": "02:50:16", "text": "this in the Majestic documents, that"}, {"start": "02:50:11", "end": "02:50:19", "text": "there's uh reports talking about the"}, {"start": "02:50:16", "end": "02:50:21", "text": "Los Angeles air raid incident in 1940"}, {"start": "02:50:19", "end": "02:50:23", "text": "uh 1942."}, {"start": "02:50:21", "end": "02:50:24", "text": ">> Yeah. The battle over Los Angeles,"}, {"start": "02:50:23", "end": "02:50:26", "text": ">> right? And and you have the"}, {"start": "02:50:24", "end": "02:50:29", "text": "correspondence"}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "involving Roosevelt and Vanavar Bush."}, {"start": "02:50:29", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:39", "text": "And Vanavar Bush was all for"}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:42", "text": "studying and reverse engineering the"}, {"start": "02:50:39", "end": "02:50:45", "text": "captured extraterrestrial technologies"}, {"start": "02:50:42", "end": "02:50:48", "text": "whereas"}, {"start": "02:50:45", "end": "02:50:53", "text": "Roosevelt decided that the technologies"}, {"start": "02:50:48", "end": "02:50:55", "text": "were too advanced that the war effort"}, {"start": "02:50:53", "end": "02:50:57", "text": "would be hindered if they put resources"}, {"start": "02:50:55", "end": "02:50:58", "text": "into studying these captured"}, {"start": "02:50:57", "end": "02:51:01", "text": "technologies."}, {"start": "02:50:58", "end": "02:51:04", "text": ">> Right? Let's build what works"}, {"start": "02:51:01", "end": "02:51:06", "text": ">> and put the energy into conventional"}, {"start": "02:51:04", "end": "02:51:09", "text": "weapons and atomic weapons and we'll"}, {"start": "02:51:06", "end": "02:51:11", "text": "leave the study in reverse engineering"}, {"start": "02:51:09", "end": "02:51:12", "text": "for after the war. Right?"}, {"start": "02:51:11", "end": "02:51:15", "text": ">> And that's exactly what happened."}, {"start": "02:51:12", "end": "02:51:15", "text": ">> That's what happens."}, {"start": "02:51:18", "end": "02:51:24", "text": ">> Why do you think those races are"}, {"start": "02:51:20", "end": "02:51:27", "text": "fighting each other like for resources"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:30", "text": "here? What are what are they why is this"}, {"start": "02:51:27", "end": "02:51:30", "text": "planet valuable?"}, {"start": "02:51:31", "end": "02:51:39", "text": "I think what has happened is that"}, {"start": "02:51:35", "end": "02:51:41", "text": "humanity is a tremendous resource and"}, {"start": "02:51:39", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "one group of extraterrestrials look at"}, {"start": "02:51:41", "end": "02:51:50", "text": "us as beings that have this potential to"}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:54", "text": "be a very positive force for"}, {"start": "02:51:50", "end": "02:51:57", "text": "transformation in our galaxy. So this is"}, {"start": "02:51:54", "end": "02:51:58", "text": "more the view of say the Nordics and"}, {"start": "02:51:57", "end": "02:52:01", "text": "there have been people who talked about"}, {"start": "02:51:58", "end": "02:52:07", "text": "that that the Nordics see us as some"}, {"start": "02:52:01", "end": "02:52:09", "text": "kind of very unique hybrid creation"}, {"start": "02:52:07", "end": "02:52:11", "text": "involving as many as 22 different"}, {"start": "02:52:09", "end": "02:52:13", "text": "extraterrestrial genetics."}, {"start": "02:52:11", "end": "02:52:15", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "02:52:13", "end": "02:52:18", "text": ">> That we have multiple extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "02:52:15", "end": "02:52:21", "text": "genetics in our DNA going back hundreds"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:24", "text": "of thousands of years. Did who put"}, {"start": "02:52:21", "end": "02:52:28", "text": "together that program?"}, {"start": "02:52:24", "end": "02:52:32", "text": ">> I mean this is an Anunnaki story."}, {"start": "02:52:28", "end": "02:52:36", "text": ">> The Anunnaki a part of that there was a"}, {"start": "02:52:32", "end": "02:52:38", "text": "researcher Arthur Horn who talked about"}, {"start": "02:52:36", "end": "02:52:40", "text": "he wrote a book extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:52:38", "end": "02:52:43", "text": "humanity's extraterrestrial origins."}, {"start": "02:52:40", "end": "02:52:47", "text": "Arthur Horn who was a I think he was a"}, {"start": "02:52:43", "end": "02:52:49", "text": "paleontologist. So he you know was"}, {"start": "02:52:47", "end": "02:52:54", "text": "professional and academic and and he"}, {"start": "02:52:49", "end": "02:52:57", "text": "said if you look at humanity's history"}, {"start": "02:52:54", "end": "02:52:59", "text": "well actually the history of our planet"}, {"start": "02:52:57", "end": "02:53:01", "text": "there are these intervention points"}, {"start": "02:52:59", "end": "02:53:03", "text": "multiple intervention points where he"}, {"start": "02:53:01", "end": "02:53:05", "text": "identifies"}, {"start": "02:53:03", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:53:05", "end": "02:53:10", "text": "coming in and altering the genetics of"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:14", "text": "the dominant species at the time. And so"}, {"start": "02:53:10", "end": "02:53:16", "text": "there is multiple points in human in our"}, {"start": "02:53:14", "end": "02:53:18", "text": "planetary history. So he documented that"}, {"start": "02:53:16", "end": "02:53:20", "text": "in his book um humanity's"}, {"start": "02:53:18", "end": "02:53:22", "text": "extraterrestrial origins."}, {"start": "02:53:20", "end": "02:53:24", "text": ">> I need to read that. Does Could that be"}, {"start": "02:53:22", "end": "02:53:27", "text": "where the reptilians and the the mantids"}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:28", "text": "come from? That they're just part of"}, {"start": "02:53:27", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "history."}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": ">> They are part of these intervention"}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:36", "text": "points that there have been multiple"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:39", "text": "intervention points. And and I and I"}, {"start": "02:53:36", "end": "02:53:41", "text": "believe that what's happened is that"}, {"start": "02:53:39", "end": "02:53:44", "text": "there have been multiple experiments,"}, {"start": "02:53:41", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "genetic experiments on Earth done by"}, {"start": "02:53:44", "end": "02:53:50", "text": "different civilizations"}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:52", "text": "and at the end of those experiments, the"}, {"start": "02:53:50", "end": "02:53:53", "text": "earth is reset."}, {"start": "02:53:52", "end": "02:53:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:53:53", "end": "02:53:57", "text": ">> And we start up again and another race"}, {"start": "02:53:55", "end": "02:54:00", "text": "will come in and say, well,"}, {"start": "02:53:57", "end": "02:54:02", "text": ">> this experiment needs our genetics and"}, {"start": "02:54:00", "end": "02:54:05", "text": "so they will lend their genetics. And"}, {"start": "02:54:02", "end": "02:54:08", "text": "this has happened multiple times. And so"}, {"start": "02:54:05", "end": "02:54:12", "text": "the end result is that present- day homo"}, {"start": "02:54:08", "end": "02:54:14", "text": "sapiens were viewed in one of two ways"}, {"start": "02:54:12", "end": "02:54:17", "text": "by this constellation of"}, {"start": "02:54:14", "end": "02:54:21", "text": "extraterrestrials watching us. One view"}, {"start": "02:54:17", "end": "02:54:23", "text": "us as this tremendous amalgam of"}, {"start": "02:54:21", "end": "02:54:27", "text": "extraterrestrial origins. We're all"}, {"start": "02:54:23", "end": "02:54:30", "text": "hybrids. All of us are hybrids. And so"}, {"start": "02:54:27", "end": "02:54:33", "text": "we have this potential because we have"}, {"start": "02:54:30", "end": "02:54:36", "text": "the genetics of as many as 22 different"}, {"start": "02:54:33", "end": "02:54:39", "text": "extraterrestrial civilizations."}, {"start": "02:54:36", "end": "02:54:41", "text": "And so we can be very powerful"}, {"start": "02:54:39", "end": "02:54:44", "text": "transformative change agents for the"}, {"start": "02:54:41", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "galaxy. And so they want to recruit us"}, {"start": "02:54:44", "end": "02:54:48", "text": "to be"}, {"start": "02:54:45", "end": "02:54:52", "text": "well to put it you know put it think of"}, {"start": "02:54:48", "end": "02:54:54", "text": "it like um Jedi Knights Star Wars. I"}, {"start": "02:54:52", "end": "02:54:57", "text": "believe in manifestation and so does the"}, {"start": "02:54:54", "end": "02:54:58", "text": "US military and the gateway process."}, {"start": "02:54:57", "end": "02:55:01", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:04", "text": ">> So imagine if we all learn to do that."}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:07", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:09", "text": ">> And on the other hand, other groups of"}, {"start": "02:55:07", "end": "02:55:12", "text": "extraterrestrials look at us as being"}, {"start": "02:55:09", "end": "02:55:16", "text": "very powerful warriors that we make an"}, {"start": "02:55:12", "end": "02:55:20", "text": "ideal mercenary force that can be used"}, {"start": "02:55:16", "end": "02:55:22", "text": "for their planetary conquest. And so"}, {"start": "02:55:20", "end": "02:55:24", "text": "this is where the whole Draonian"}, {"start": "02:55:22", "end": "02:55:26", "text": "reptilian"}, {"start": "02:55:24", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "thing comes into the picture because"}, {"start": "02:55:26", "end": "02:55:32", "text": "they saw the Germans and they saw their"}, {"start": "02:55:29", "end": "02:55:34", "text": "ideology is very suited for creating"}, {"start": "02:55:32", "end": "02:55:37", "text": "this mercenary force."}, {"start": "02:55:34", "end": "02:55:39", "text": ">> So is so is ours."}, {"start": "02:55:37", "end": "02:55:42", "text": "So do do you think they're out there?"}, {"start": "02:55:39", "end": "02:55:45", "text": "Are there humans that were taken to be a"}, {"start": "02:55:42", "end": "02:55:46", "text": "military force that are off planet?"}, {"start": "02:55:45", "end": "02:55:52", "text": ">> You do?"}, {"start": "02:55:46", "end": "02:55:52", "text": ">> I do. Yeah. I think that there have been"}, {"start": "02:55:52", "end": "02:55:58", "text": "um military"}, {"start": "02:55:54", "end": "02:56:00", "text": "let's say substantial numbers of"}, {"start": "02:55:58", "end": "02:56:03", "text": "military personnel"}, {"start": "02:56:00", "end": "02:56:07", "text": "and Germans were"}, {"start": "02:56:03", "end": "02:56:10", "text": "recruited into this program and they set"}, {"start": "02:56:07", "end": "02:56:13", "text": "up a"}, {"start": "02:56:10", "end": "02:56:17", "text": "mercenary force that were auxiliaries if"}, {"start": "02:56:13", "end": "02:56:20", "text": "you like to this draconian Imperial"}, {"start": "02:56:17", "end": "02:56:24", "text": "force that's out there conquering as"}, {"start": "02:56:20", "end": "02:56:27", "text": "many human worlds as possible using"}, {"start": "02:56:24", "end": "02:56:31", "text": "human mercenaries from Earth that are"}, {"start": "02:56:27", "end": "02:56:35", "text": "part of this dark fleet. And so that"}, {"start": "02:56:31", "end": "02:56:37", "text": "really sets up a very interesting It"}, {"start": "02:56:35", "end": "02:56:40", "text": "does. What happened to Hans Comler?"}, {"start": "02:56:37", "end": "02:56:43", "text": "What happened to Hans Comler?"}, {"start": "02:56:40", "end": "02:56:46", "text": ">> Okay. Well, Hans Kamla,"}, {"start": "02:56:43", "end": "02:56:50", "text": "what he preided over were the"}, {"start": "02:56:46", "end": "02:56:53", "text": "unsuccessful attempts by the Nazi SS to"}, {"start": "02:56:50", "end": "02:56:57", "text": "weaponize the flying saucer craft that"}, {"start": "02:56:53", "end": "02:57:00", "text": "the German secret societies"}, {"start": "02:56:57", "end": "02:57:02", "text": "had under development since the 1920s."}, {"start": "02:57:00", "end": "02:57:04", "text": ">> The VR, the Tulas."}, {"start": "02:57:02", "end": "02:57:06", "text": ">> Exactly. So those guys, the German"}, {"start": "02:57:04", "end": "02:57:10", "text": "secret societies, they understand"}, {"start": "02:57:06", "end": "02:57:14", "text": "consciousness. They understand the power"}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:15", "text": "of manifestation. They understand how"}, {"start": "02:57:14", "end": "02:57:18", "text": "a lot of this advanced technology"}, {"start": "02:57:15", "end": "02:57:20", "text": "requires"}, {"start": "02:57:18", "end": "02:57:22", "text": "developing consciousness. So they did"}, {"start": "02:57:20", "end": "02:57:24", "text": "all of that work and and they began"}, {"start": "02:57:22", "end": "02:57:27", "text": "developing the first secret space"}, {"start": "02:57:24", "end": "02:57:31", "text": "programs or the German space program."}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:35", "text": "And when they realized that the Germans"}, {"start": "02:57:31", "end": "02:57:38", "text": "or that the Third Reich was doomed,"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:40", "text": "they moved everything that they could"}, {"start": "02:57:38", "end": "02:57:43", "text": "out of Nazi Germany down to South"}, {"start": "02:57:40", "end": "02:57:45", "text": "America, neutral countries,"}, {"start": "02:57:43", "end": "02:57:47", "text": ">> quote unquote neutral."}, {"start": "02:57:45", "end": "02:57:51", "text": ">> Right. Exactly. Spain"}, {"start": "02:57:47", "end": "02:57:55", "text": ">> uh and Argentina and so forth. And and"}, {"start": "02:57:51", "end": "02:57:56", "text": "that they would build a fourth Reich."}, {"start": "02:57:55", "end": "02:57:58", "text": "So, this is the breakaway society"}, {"start": "02:57:56", "end": "02:58:00", "text": "theory."}, {"start": "02:57:58", "end": "02:58:02", "text": ">> Well, it's more than a theory."}, {"start": "02:58:00", "end": "02:58:04", "text": ">> It's more than a theory. I mean, I I've"}, {"start": "02:58:02", "end": "02:58:06", "text": "had Peter Lventa in here who has gone"}, {"start": "02:58:04", "end": "02:58:10", "text": "there and been detained. He's been"}, {"start": "02:58:06", "end": "02:58:13", "text": "detained by by Germans."}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:16", "text": ">> Exactly. And you have the red house"}, {"start": "02:58:13", "end": "02:58:19", "text": "report from 1944"}, {"start": "02:58:16", "end": "02:58:22", "text": "that's documented the Strasburg"}, {"start": "02:58:19", "end": "02:58:25", "text": ">> meeting in 1944 that were a meeting with"}, {"start": "02:58:22", "end": "02:58:28", "text": "high level German industrialists that"}, {"start": "02:58:25", "end": "02:58:30", "text": "was precided over by Martin Borman and"}, {"start": "02:58:28", "end": "02:58:32", "text": "Henrik Himmler"}, {"start": "02:58:30", "end": "02:58:36", "text": ">> knew about this as well"}, {"start": "02:58:32", "end": "02:58:38", "text": ">> and it these were orders given to the"}, {"start": "02:58:36", "end": "02:58:40", "text": "leading German industrialists get as"}, {"start": "02:58:38", "end": "02:58:42", "text": "much as you can out of Germany. This is"}, {"start": "02:58:40", "end": "02:58:44", "text": "August 1944."}, {"start": "02:58:42", "end": "02:58:46", "text": ">> This is operation eagle flight."}, {"start": "02:58:44", "end": "02:58:48", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "02:58:46", "end": "02:58:49", "text": "That was setting up the fourth Reich."}, {"start": "02:58:48", "end": "02:58:52", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:58:49", "end": "02:58:55", "text": ">> And so you have all this German capital,"}, {"start": "02:58:52", "end": "02:58:58", "text": "all this knowhow, all the technology"}, {"start": "02:58:55", "end": "02:59:01", "text": "being moved out of Germany. But the"}, {"start": "02:58:58", "end": "02:59:03", "text": "German secret societies,"}, {"start": "02:59:01", "end": "02:59:06", "text": "they anticipated all of this. So they"}, {"start": "02:59:03", "end": "02:59:08", "text": "knew the Third Reich was headed for"}, {"start": "02:59:06", "end": "02:59:11", "text": "defeat. So they moved as much as they"}, {"start": "02:59:08", "end": "02:59:13", "text": "could down to Antarctica and Kamla was"}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:16", "text": "part of the Nazi SS but they were"}, {"start": "02:59:13", "end": "02:59:17", "text": "different to the Third Reich. This is"}, {"start": "02:59:16", "end": "02:59:19", "text": "where"}, {"start": "02:59:17", "end": "02:59:22", "text": ">> people often don't appreciate that there"}, {"start": "02:59:19", "end": "02:59:23", "text": "is a significant difference between what"}, {"start": "02:59:22", "end": "02:59:26", "text": "the Third Reich was trying to do with"}, {"start": "02:59:23", "end": "02:59:30", "text": "these flying saucer technologies and"}, {"start": "02:59:26", "end": "02:59:32", "text": "what the what the what the what the"}, {"start": "02:59:30", "end": "02:59:35", "text": "secret societies were trying to do with"}, {"start": "02:59:32", "end": "02:59:40", "text": "these advanced technologies. And I and I"}, {"start": "02:59:35", "end": "02:59:45", "text": "think that the Third Reich, the"}, {"start": "02:59:40", "end": "02:59:49", "text": "Nazi SS failed, that Hans Kamla failed,"}, {"start": "02:59:45", "end": "02:59:52", "text": "but he was given the assignment to reach"}, {"start": "02:59:49", "end": "02:59:52", "text": "deals with the Americans with Alan"}, {"start": "02:59:52", "end": "02:59:53", "text": "Dallas."}, {"start": "02:59:52", "end": "02:59:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:59:53", "end": "02:59:58", "text": ">> Who was heading the CIA's"}, {"start": "02:59:56", "end": "02:59:59", "text": "program out of Switzerland."}, {"start": "02:59:58", "end": "03:00:03", "text": ">> Switzerland. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:59:59", "end": "03:00:05", "text": ">> And reach deals with the Americans. And"}, {"start": "03:00:03", "end": "03:00:06", "text": "that's what he did. Deals deals were"}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:07", "text": "struck."}, {"start": "03:00:06", "end": "03:00:10", "text": ">> And that's the last we see of him in"}, {"start": "03:00:07", "end": "03:00:12", "text": "history. He's not found again. He's in"}, {"start": "03:00:10", "end": "03:00:14", "text": "American custody and he disappears."}, {"start": "03:00:12", "end": "03:00:15", "text": ">> He disappears, but he still pops up from"}, {"start": "03:00:14", "end": "03:00:16", "text": "time to time."}, {"start": "03:00:15", "end": "03:00:18", "text": ">> He does."}, {"start": "03:00:16", "end": "03:00:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh Clark Mlen, who was a"}, {"start": "03:00:18", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "spacecraft operator"}, {"start": "03:00:20", "end": "03:00:26", "text": "who worked for decades in in NASA and"}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:30", "text": "worked with the paperclip scientists as"}, {"start": "03:00:26", "end": "03:00:35", "text": "part of the Apollo program. He says that"}, {"start": "03:00:30", "end": "03:00:37", "text": "he saw Hans Kamla in one of the meetings"}, {"start": "03:00:35", "end": "03:00:41", "text": "uh involving"}, {"start": "03:00:37", "end": "03:00:44", "text": "Kurt Duce at the uh at the Kennedy Space"}, {"start": "03:00:41", "end": "03:00:47", "text": "Center. Hans Kamla shows up at one of"}, {"start": "03:00:44", "end": "03:00:49", "text": "these meetings."}, {"start": "03:00:47", "end": "03:00:52", "text": "Why? Why didn't he come over as part of"}, {"start": "03:00:49", "end": "03:00:54", "text": "paperclip?"}, {"start": "03:00:52", "end": "03:00:57", "text": "He would have been useful."}, {"start": "03:00:54", "end": "03:01:00", "text": ">> Some deal was struck"}, {"start": "03:00:57", "end": "03:01:02", "text": "and exactly what his role was with the"}, {"start": "03:01:00", "end": "03:01:04", "text": "deal."}, {"start": "03:01:02", "end": "03:01:07", "text": "It's not clear what that was, but he"}, {"start": "03:01:04", "end": "03:01:11", "text": "seems to have been"}, {"start": "03:01:07", "end": "03:01:15", "text": "someone setting up these negotiations"}, {"start": "03:01:11", "end": "03:01:18", "text": "between the the fourth Reich and the the"}, {"start": "03:01:15", "end": "03:01:19", "text": "US. And and of course we know all about"}, {"start": "03:01:18", "end": "03:01:24", "text": "Reinhard"}, {"start": "03:01:19", "end": "03:01:27", "text": "Gerlin and the setting up of a a kind of"}, {"start": "03:01:24", "end": "03:01:30", "text": "German espionage service using these"}, {"start": "03:01:27", "end": "03:01:32", "text": "exNazi agents and how they were all"}, {"start": "03:01:30", "end": "03:01:35", "text": "working with the CIA in collaboration"}, {"start": "03:01:32", "end": "03:01:37", "text": "with the CIA. So so a lot of the Nazi"}, {"start": "03:01:35", "end": "03:01:41", "text": "intelligence apparatus was absorbed by"}, {"start": "03:01:37", "end": "03:01:43", "text": "the CIA into West Germany into NATO. And"}, {"start": "03:01:41", "end": "03:01:46", "text": "that's not controversial because"}, {"start": "03:01:43", "end": "03:01:48", "text": "Paperclip was almost a cover story for"}, {"start": "03:01:46", "end": "03:01:50", "text": "maybe 10,000 Nazis that got absorbed as"}, {"start": "03:01:48", "end": "03:01:53", "text": "American assets for the intelligence"}, {"start": "03:01:50", "end": "03:01:55", "text": "community that lived full lives here"}, {"start": "03:01:53", "end": "03:01:58", "text": "with pensions and everything."}, {"start": "03:01:55", "end": "03:02:00", "text": ">> And what's very significant about that"}, {"start": "03:01:58", "end": "03:02:02", "text": "and Jim Mars, I have to credit him for"}, {"start": "03:02:00", "end": "03:02:04", "text": "that work in his book, The Fourth Reich."}, {"start": "03:02:02", "end": "03:02:08", "text": ">> Yes. He points out that a lot of these"}, {"start": "03:02:04", "end": "03:02:10", "text": "paperclip scientists were given they"}, {"start": "03:02:08", "end": "03:02:11", "text": "were fasttracked in terms of their"}, {"start": "03:02:10", "end": "03:02:14", "text": "security clearances and they were given"}, {"start": "03:02:11", "end": "03:02:16", "text": "high level positions not just in the"}, {"start": "03:02:14", "end": "03:02:19", "text": "milit in in NASA but also in these"}, {"start": "03:02:16", "end": "03:02:23", "text": "highle corporations. Yes. So why is"}, {"start": "03:02:19", "end": "03:02:26", "text": "that? How would it be possible for these"}, {"start": "03:02:23", "end": "03:02:28", "text": "German paperclip scientists come here"}, {"start": "03:02:26", "end": "03:02:30", "text": "and be fasttracked for security"}, {"start": "03:02:28", "end": "03:02:34", "text": "clearances that would take American"}, {"start": "03:02:30", "end": "03:02:36", "text": "scientists 2 years or whatever to get"}, {"start": "03:02:34", "end": "03:02:38", "text": ">> von Brown should have been hung."}, {"start": "03:02:36", "end": "03:02:41", "text": ">> He should have been hung. He was a"}, {"start": "03:02:38", "end": "03:02:44", "text": "national hero."}, {"start": "03:02:41", "end": "03:02:48", "text": ">> But he should have been hung at the HEG"}, {"start": "03:02:44", "end": "03:02:49", "text": "as a major in the SS. 30,000 Jews died"}, {"start": "03:02:48", "end": "03:02:50", "text": "on his watch. But he said he didn't know"}, {"start": "03:02:49", "end": "03:02:51", "text": "about it."}, {"start": "03:02:50", "end": "03:02:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Well,"}, {"start": "03:02:51", "end": "03:02:55", "text": ">> he knows how to build rockets. All is"}, {"start": "03:02:53", "end": "03:02:57", "text": "forgiven."}, {"start": "03:02:55", "end": "03:02:59", "text": ">> And he's put in charge of the Marshall"}, {"start": "03:02:57", "end": "03:03:01", "text": "Space Flight Center"}, {"start": "03:02:59", "end": "03:03:03", "text": ">> and and he has hundreds of German"}, {"start": "03:03:01", "end": "03:03:05", "text": "scientists working under him under the"}, {"start": "03:03:03", "end": "03:03:08", "text": "Marshall Space Flight Center setting up"}, {"start": "03:03:05", "end": "03:03:13", "text": "the Apollo program and ostensibly"}, {"start": "03:03:08", "end": "03:03:17", "text": ">> set building the Saturn 5 rocket. Now,"}, {"start": "03:03:13", "end": "03:03:19", "text": "was that what h uh is that what was"}, {"start": "03:03:17", "end": "03:03:22", "text": "really happening with the paperclip"}, {"start": "03:03:19", "end": "03:03:26", "text": "scientists out of Marshall Space Flight"}, {"start": "03:03:22", "end": "03:03:28", "text": "Center? They were building these these"}, {"start": "03:03:26", "end": "03:03:29", "text": "rockets, these Saturn 5 rockets for the"}, {"start": "03:03:28", "end": "03:03:33", "text": "Apollo program, and that's what they"}, {"start": "03:03:29", "end": "03:03:36", "text": "exclusively focused their energies on,"}, {"start": "03:03:33", "end": "03:03:40", "text": "or were they moonlighting in these"}, {"start": "03:03:36", "end": "03:03:41", "text": "underground facilities near Redstone"}, {"start": "03:03:40", "end": "03:03:44", "text": "Arsenal,"}, {"start": "03:03:41", "end": "03:03:48", "text": "building these"}, {"start": "03:03:44", "end": "03:03:49", "text": "flying saucercraft or these ARV craft"}, {"start": "03:03:48", "end": "03:03:53", "text": "and and this is anecdotal, but I got it"}, {"start": "03:03:49", "end": "03:03:57", "text": "from a very good source, a Dr. uh David"}, {"start": "03:03:53", "end": "03:04:02", "text": "Clemens who was a post doing a post-doal"}, {"start": "03:03:57", "end": "03:04:04", "text": "at a university in uh Edinburg in 2002."}, {"start": "03:04:02", "end": "03:04:05", "text": "He was working with Thomas Beard and I"}, {"start": "03:04:04", "end": "03:04:09", "text": "don't know if you heard of Thomas Beard."}, {"start": "03:04:05", "end": "03:04:11", "text": "I have very prominent uh anti-gravity"}, {"start": "03:04:09", "end": "03:04:14", "text": "free energy scalar weapons researcher"}, {"start": "03:04:11", "end": "03:04:17", "text": ">> and Thomas building uh Thomas Beard told"}, {"start": "03:04:14", "end": "03:04:23", "text": "him in 2002"}, {"start": "03:04:17", "end": "03:04:27", "text": "that he knew of a secret base in Alabama"}, {"start": "03:04:23", "end": "03:04:30", "text": "that had Super Lumininal spacecraft in"}, {"start": "03:04:27", "end": "03:04:33", "text": "operation since the 1960s. Now you think"}, {"start": "03:04:30", "end": "03:04:37", "text": "about that. super luminal spacecraft in"}, {"start": "03:04:33", "end": "03:04:39", "text": "Alabama in the 1960s. Well, Alabama,"}, {"start": "03:04:37", "end": "03:04:41", "text": "where's that? Well, isn't that where"}, {"start": "03:04:39", "end": "03:04:43", "text": "Redstone Arsenal is? Isn't that where"}, {"start": "03:04:41", "end": "03:04:44", "text": "the Marshall Space"}, {"start": "03:04:43", "end": "03:04:46", "text": ">> Huntsville"}, {"start": "03:04:44", "end": "03:04:46", "text": ">> Huntsville, Alabama?"}, {"start": "03:04:46", "end": "03:04:49", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:04:46", "end": "03:04:51", "text": ">> that's that's where it was. They had"}, {"start": "03:04:49", "end": "03:04:55", "text": "superlumininal craft being built. And"}, {"start": "03:04:51", "end": "03:04:58", "text": "this brings us back to JP because JP"}, {"start": "03:04:55", "end": "03:05:01", "text": "says he was taken twice to a facility in"}, {"start": "03:04:58", "end": "03:05:04", "text": "northern Alabama where he saw these"}, {"start": "03:05:01", "end": "03:05:06", "text": "anti-gravity craft and Nordics."}, {"start": "03:05:04", "end": "03:05:09", "text": ">> Super liiminal though. That breaks my"}, {"start": "03:05:06", "end": "03:05:12", "text": "brain. Do we know what technology they"}, {"start": "03:05:09", "end": "03:05:14", "text": "use to do that? Is this folding space?"}, {"start": "03:05:12", "end": "03:05:18", "text": "Is this extradimensional travel? Or is"}, {"start": "03:05:14", "end": "03:05:19", "text": "this something else? Warp drive? It"}, {"start": "03:05:18", "end": "03:05:22", "text": "would have had to have been something"}, {"start": "03:05:19", "end": "03:05:26", "text": "that"}, {"start": "03:05:22", "end": "03:05:28", "text": ">> was able able to not just been well well"}, {"start": "03:05:26", "end": "03:05:31", "text": "yeah Benetime"}, {"start": "03:05:28", "end": "03:05:35", "text": "but also develop something along the"}, {"start": "03:05:31", "end": "03:05:39", "text": "lines of a techon drive techons because"}, {"start": "03:05:35", "end": "03:05:41", "text": "you know one of the leaked SS documents"}, {"start": "03:05:39", "end": "03:05:44", "text": "supposedly that came out in the 1990s"}, {"start": "03:05:41", "end": "03:05:46", "text": "after the collapse of the Soviet Union"}, {"start": "03:05:44", "end": "03:05:49", "text": "that was a former KGB file. There was a"}, {"start": "03:05:46", "end": "03:05:52", "text": "researcher, Vladimir Tosinski, who was"}, {"start": "03:05:49", "end": "03:05:55", "text": "the first to reveal these documents. And"}, {"start": "03:05:52", "end": "03:05:58", "text": "there was a Nazi SS document that showed"}, {"start": "03:05:55", "end": "03:06:01", "text": "three craft that looks suspiciously like"}, {"start": "03:05:58", "end": "03:06:04", "text": "the three craft that were on display at"}, {"start": "03:06:01", "end": "03:06:07", "text": "Norton Air Force Base in 1988. So these"}, {"start": "03:06:04", "end": "03:06:09", "text": "three craft had"}, {"start": "03:06:07", "end": "03:06:10", "text": "the these three mod well there were four"}, {"start": "03:06:09", "end": "03:06:13", "text": "models. There was a thool model and"}, {"start": "03:06:10", "end": "03:06:16", "text": "there were these Hannibu models. And the"}, {"start": "03:06:13", "end": "03:06:17", "text": "Hannibu models had these tachunator"}, {"start": "03:06:16", "end": "03:06:20", "text": "drives."}, {"start": "03:06:17", "end": "03:06:23", "text": ">> So what is a tachunator? A tachion? It's"}, {"start": "03:06:20", "end": "03:06:24", "text": "a faster than light particle."}, {"start": "03:06:23", "end": "03:06:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:06:24", "end": "03:06:28", "text": ">> That physicists"}, {"start": "03:06:26", "end": "03:06:31", "text": "know exists because the theory predicts"}, {"start": "03:06:28", "end": "03:06:35", "text": "it. It exists, but it's estued from"}, {"start": "03:06:31", "end": "03:06:38", "text": "mainstream physics. And and again, I go"}, {"start": "03:06:35", "end": "03:06:40", "text": "to David Clemens who is a physicist and"}, {"start": "03:06:38", "end": "03:06:42", "text": "from from Cambridge. He he got his PhD"}, {"start": "03:06:40", "end": "03:06:44", "text": "from Cambridge"}, {"start": "03:06:42", "end": "03:06:46", "text": "physics. He was a string theorist and he"}, {"start": "03:06:44", "end": "03:06:49", "text": "taught at Cambridge for a little while"}, {"start": "03:06:46", "end": "03:06:52", "text": "and he he says he confirms that tachons"}, {"start": "03:06:49", "end": "03:06:56", "text": "are predicted in string theory but"}, {"start": "03:06:52", "end": "03:06:58", "text": "string theorists are"}, {"start": "03:06:56", "end": "03:07:01", "text": "advised not to go there not to look at"}, {"start": "03:06:58", "end": "03:07:03", "text": "these techons to just estu them that"}, {"start": "03:07:01", "end": "03:07:05", "text": "this is like forbidden it's like you you"}, {"start": "03:07:03", "end": "03:07:07", "text": "will lose your career you will lose"}, {"start": "03:07:05", "end": "03:07:10", "text": "funding if you start talking about"}, {"start": "03:07:07", "end": "03:07:14", "text": "techons. So we talk about Bearden"}, {"start": "03:07:10", "end": "03:07:17", "text": "superluminal drives, him being an expert"}, {"start": "03:07:14", "end": "03:07:19", "text": "in free energy scalar weapons, him"}, {"start": "03:07:17", "end": "03:07:20", "text": "working for a time out of Huntsville,"}, {"start": "03:07:19", "end": "03:07:22", "text": "Alabama,"}, {"start": "03:07:20", "end": "03:07:24", "text": ">> saying they're super lumininal craft"}, {"start": "03:07:22", "end": "03:07:26", "text": "there. I think these these super luminal"}, {"start": "03:07:24", "end": "03:07:29", "text": "crafts had something along the lines of"}, {"start": "03:07:26", "end": "03:07:33", "text": "technator technon propulsion systems in"}, {"start": "03:07:29", "end": "03:07:35", "text": "them that made them capable of that"}, {"start": "03:07:33", "end": "03:07:37", "text": "superluminal"}, {"start": "03:07:35", "end": "03:07:40", "text": "uh ability which gave them the"}, {"start": "03:07:37", "end": "03:07:42", "text": "capability and this is the one that"}, {"start": "03:07:40", "end": "03:07:46", "text": "really kind of stretches people's minds"}, {"start": "03:07:42", "end": "03:07:51", "text": "is like you can arrive at your"}, {"start": "03:07:46", "end": "03:07:53", "text": "destination before you depart for it."}, {"start": "03:07:51", "end": "03:07:55", "text": "the in relativity the math works to do"}, {"start": "03:07:53", "end": "03:07:59", "text": "that."}, {"start": "03:07:55", "end": "03:07:59", "text": "The math works."}, {"start": "03:08:00", "end": "03:08:05", "text": "I I can't explain it that well, but the"}, {"start": "03:08:02", "end": "03:08:07", "text": "math works."}, {"start": "03:08:05", "end": "03:08:10", "text": "But I can't get my brain around getting"}, {"start": "03:08:07", "end": "03:08:12", "text": "a craft to do it. A particle, yes. But"}, {"start": "03:08:10", "end": "03:08:14", "text": "creating creating a nuts andbolts"}, {"start": "03:08:12", "end": "03:08:17", "text": "vehicle, I don't know how they can do"}, {"start": "03:08:14", "end": "03:08:17", "text": "that."}, {"start": "03:08:18", "end": "03:08:26", "text": "Albeiten I think is a good resource to"}, {"start": "03:08:23", "end": "03:08:28", "text": "show or explain that such a thing is"}, {"start": "03:08:26", "end": "03:08:30", "text": "feasible. Yes. And then you have"}, {"start": "03:08:28", "end": "03:08:32", "text": "whistleblowers"}, {"start": "03:08:30", "end": "03:08:35", "text": "like Bill Tonkkins talking about the"}, {"start": "03:08:32", "end": "03:08:38", "text": "Navy working on these kinds of advanced"}, {"start": "03:08:35", "end": "03:08:41", "text": "technology projects. And then you have"}, {"start": "03:08:38", "end": "03:08:43", "text": "all of the stories about Admiral Bird,"}, {"start": "03:08:41", "end": "03:08:45", "text": "Operation High Jump, and the new enemy"}, {"start": "03:08:43", "end": "03:08:46", "text": "that could fly from pole to pole."}, {"start": "03:08:45", "end": "03:08:48", "text": "Something's there."}, {"start": "03:08:46", "end": "03:08:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:08:48", "end": "03:08:55", "text": "Yeah. I mean, I guess if you energize a"}, {"start": "03:08:52", "end": "03:08:58", "text": "a solid body hull, it can create its own"}, {"start": "03:08:55", "end": "03:09:00", "text": "field and they know how to manipulate"}, {"start": "03:08:58", "end": "03:09:05", "text": "that somehow."}, {"start": "03:09:00", "end": "03:09:07", "text": ">> Well, there were those five patents that"}, {"start": "03:09:05", "end": "03:09:09", "text": ">> Salvador Salvador Pas came out and and"}, {"start": "03:09:07", "end": "03:09:11", "text": "one of them talked about"}, {"start": "03:09:09", "end": "03:09:16", "text": ">> creating this energy bubble."}, {"start": "03:09:11", "end": "03:09:19", "text": ">> Yep. that could be used to propel that"}, {"start": "03:09:16", "end": "03:09:22", "text": "craft at these"}, {"start": "03:09:19", "end": "03:09:25", "text": "say super luminal speeds or at speeds"}, {"start": "03:09:22", "end": "03:09:27", "text": "that are just far beyond our kind of"}, {"start": "03:09:25", "end": "03:09:29", "text": "like present white world science."}, {"start": "03:09:27", "end": "03:09:32", "text": ">> I have to get him in here to talk about"}, {"start": "03:09:29", "end": "03:09:34", "text": "some of those wild patents of his."}, {"start": "03:09:32", "end": "03:09:37", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "03:09:34", "end": "03:09:39", "text": ">> yeah, and and those patents were"}, {"start": "03:09:37", "end": "03:09:41", "text": "supported by the Navy. I mean he"}, {"start": "03:09:39", "end": "03:09:43", "text": ">> supported they were rejected by by the"}, {"start": "03:09:41", "end": "03:09:44", "text": "USPTO until the Navy intervened."}, {"start": "03:09:43", "end": "03:09:46", "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:09:44", "end": "03:09:46", "text": ">> And said, \"No, this is this is this is"}, {"start": "03:09:46", "end": "03:09:49", "text": "legit.\""}, {"start": "03:09:46", "end": "03:09:51", "text": ">> Exactly. So So and again, this comes"}, {"start": "03:09:49", "end": "03:09:53", "text": "back to the earlier question we had"}, {"start": "03:09:51", "end": "03:09:53", "text": "about the the fight between the dark"}, {"start": "03:09:53", "end": "03:09:54", "text": "hats."}, {"start": "03:09:53", "end": "03:09:55", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:09:54", "end": "03:09:57", "text": ">> The the ruling bloodline families and"}, {"start": "03:09:55", "end": "03:10:01", "text": "the white hats, the military that want"}, {"start": "03:09:57", "end": "03:10:03", "text": "this information to come out. Pis was"}, {"start": "03:10:01", "end": "03:10:06", "text": "working for the Navy, working on behalf"}, {"start": "03:10:03", "end": "03:10:08", "text": "of them to reveal some of the"}, {"start": "03:10:06", "end": "03:10:10", "text": "technologies that have been secretly"}, {"start": "03:10:08", "end": "03:10:12", "text": "developed and used for for decades in"}, {"start": "03:10:10", "end": "03:10:14", "text": "the secret space programs."}, {"start": "03:10:12", "end": "03:10:15", "text": ">> He's definitely a white hat because I've"}, {"start": "03:10:14", "end": "03:10:18", "text": "talked about him being elusive in the"}, {"start": "03:10:15", "end": "03:10:20", "text": "media and two days after that he emailed"}, {"start": "03:10:18", "end": "03:10:23", "text": "me and said, \"Oh, come on your show.\""}, {"start": "03:10:20", "end": "03:10:25", "text": ">> So, he's he's a white hat to me. I was"}, {"start": "03:10:23", "end": "03:10:26", "text": "very surprising that he's willing to"}, {"start": "03:10:25", "end": "03:10:27", "text": "come in and just and talk about that"}, {"start": "03:10:26", "end": "03:10:31", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "03:10:27", "end": "03:10:34", "text": "So there there are people pushing this."}, {"start": "03:10:31", "end": "03:10:36", "text": ">> Yeah, I think I think the military has a"}, {"start": "03:10:34", "end": "03:10:37", "text": "lot of white hats in there that that"}, {"start": "03:10:36", "end": "03:10:40", "text": "want all this stuff to come out because"}, {"start": "03:10:37", "end": "03:10:43", "text": "bottom line, why wouldn't you if you're"}, {"start": "03:10:40", "end": "03:10:46", "text": "a four-star admiral or general? Why why"}, {"start": "03:10:43", "end": "03:10:49", "text": "wouldn't you want to have superunal"}, {"start": "03:10:46", "end": "03:10:51", "text": "superal craft as as part of your arsenal"}, {"start": "03:10:49", "end": "03:10:54", "text": "as part of your means of being able to"}, {"start": "03:10:51", "end": "03:10:57", "text": "achieve full spectrum domination in in"}, {"start": "03:10:54", "end": "03:11:00", "text": "cis luna space and beyond?"}, {"start": "03:10:57", "end": "03:11:02", "text": "It's just what do you do about your"}, {"start": "03:11:00", "end": "03:11:06", "text": "competitors?"}, {"start": "03:11:02", "end": "03:11:09", "text": "What do you do about Russia and China?"}, {"start": "03:11:06", "end": "03:11:11", "text": "Do they have it as well? Or is that a"}, {"start": "03:11:09", "end": "03:11:14", "text": "concern that once we show this exotic"}, {"start": "03:11:11", "end": "03:11:16", "text": "technology, then others will have it and"}, {"start": "03:11:14", "end": "03:11:19", "text": "then we're back to fighting each other"}, {"start": "03:11:16", "end": "03:11:21", "text": "again?"}, {"start": "03:11:19", "end": "03:11:23", "text": "As far as I know, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "03:11:21", "end": "03:11:26", "text": "cooperation between the scene behind the"}, {"start": "03:11:23", "end": "03:11:28", "text": "scenes between Russia, China when it"}, {"start": "03:11:26", "end": "03:11:30", "text": "comes to this advanced technology stuff."}, {"start": "03:11:28", "end": "03:11:33", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "03:11:30", "end": "03:11:36", "text": "the Russians and the Chinese have been"}, {"start": "03:11:33", "end": "03:11:39", "text": "developing their own secret space"}, {"start": "03:11:36", "end": "03:11:41", "text": "programs and studying retrieve craft for"}, {"start": "03:11:39", "end": "03:11:43", "text": "for decades. But"}, {"start": "03:11:41", "end": "03:11:45", "text": ">> but for various reasons, they are well"}, {"start": "03:11:43", "end": "03:11:46", "text": "behind the United States."}, {"start": "03:11:45", "end": "03:11:48", "text": ">> They are."}, {"start": "03:11:46", "end": "03:11:50", "text": ">> Yeah. Totally. I mean, you look at the"}, {"start": "03:11:48", "end": "03:11:53", "text": "collapse of the Soviet Union and and"}, {"start": "03:11:50", "end": "03:11:57", "text": "that was because the Soviets understood"}, {"start": "03:11:53", "end": "03:12:00", "text": "that the the US technological"}, {"start": "03:11:57", "end": "03:12:03", "text": "gap was so wide and with the advent of"}, {"start": "03:12:00", "end": "03:12:06", "text": "even more sophisticated computer"}, {"start": "03:12:03", "end": "03:12:08", "text": "technologies, quantum computing, SDI and"}, {"start": "03:12:06", "end": "03:12:11", "text": "so forth that there was no point"}, {"start": "03:12:08", "end": "03:12:12", "text": "competing. It was it was better to just"}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:15", "text": "cooperate. And so I think that's what"}, {"start": "03:12:12", "end": "03:12:20", "text": "happened. That's what led to the end of"}, {"start": "03:12:15", "end": "03:12:24", "text": "the of the cold war that the USSR was"}, {"start": "03:12:20", "end": "03:12:26", "text": "told that well it's better to merge our"}, {"start": "03:12:24", "end": "03:12:29", "text": "programs and you you'll come in and"}, {"start": "03:12:26", "end": "03:12:33", "text": "you'll be subordinate but nevertheless"}, {"start": "03:12:29", "end": "03:12:36", "text": "uh you'll be a partner and the Chinese"}, {"start": "03:12:33", "end": "03:12:39", "text": "they have only recently developed the"}, {"start": "03:12:36", "end": "03:12:41", "text": "technological and economic"}, {"start": "03:12:39", "end": "03:12:44", "text": "infrastructure to start becoming a"}, {"start": "03:12:41", "end": "03:12:45", "text": "serious competitor but their only recent"}, {"start": "03:12:44", "end": "03:12:46", "text": "I'm telling you recently, but they've"}, {"start": "03:12:45", "end": "03:12:47", "text": "not done that,"}, {"start": "03:12:46", "end": "03:12:48", "text": ">> but they're doing it"}, {"start": "03:12:47", "end": "03:12:49", "text": ">> now."}, {"start": "03:12:48", "end": "03:12:50", "text": ">> They're doing it. There might be"}, {"start": "03:12:49", "end": "03:12:53", "text": "something to that about the end of the"}, {"start": "03:12:50", "end": "03:12:55", "text": "Cold War because um I remember when"}, {"start": "03:12:53", "end": "03:12:58", "text": "after the Soviet Union dissolved, a lot"}, {"start": "03:12:55", "end": "03:13:00", "text": "of documents came out. See, we can see"}, {"start": "03:12:58", "end": "03:13:03", "text": "them in the CIA reading room that in the"}, {"start": "03:13:00", "end": "03:13:05", "text": "early 40s,"}, {"start": "03:13:03", "end": "03:13:07", "text": "their advanced technology programs were"}, {"start": "03:13:05", "end": "03:13:10", "text": "estimated to be about 40 years ahead of"}, {"start": "03:13:07", "end": "03:13:11", "text": "ours. So, they get Sputnik in space and"}, {"start": "03:13:10", "end": "03:13:13", "text": "they do all they do everything in space"}, {"start": "03:13:11", "end": "03:13:15", "text": "first. But that something happened in"}, {"start": "03:13:13", "end": "03:13:19", "text": "the late60s"}, {"start": "03:13:15", "end": "03:13:21", "text": "where it switched where we springboard"}, {"start": "03:13:19", "end": "03:13:23", "text": "over them. Do you have any theories on"}, {"start": "03:13:21", "end": "03:13:27", "text": "what happened?"}, {"start": "03:13:23", "end": "03:13:31", "text": ">> Well, then their main guy, the uh Sergio"}, {"start": "03:13:27", "end": "03:13:35", "text": "Corv, the main guy working on their"}, {"start": "03:13:31", "end": "03:13:37", "text": "rocket program was killed or or died"}, {"start": "03:13:35", "end": "03:13:39", "text": "667."}, {"start": "03:13:37", "end": "03:13:41", "text": "And that really set them back because I"}, {"start": "03:13:39", "end": "03:13:44", "text": "mean he was he was well more than Bon"}, {"start": "03:13:41", "end": "03:13:47", "text": "Brawn. I mean he was he was a Russian"}, {"start": "03:13:44", "end": "03:13:49", "text": "native and and he was a genius and you"}, {"start": "03:13:47", "end": "03:13:52", "text": "just can't lose people like that if"}, {"start": "03:13:49", "end": "03:13:54", "text": "you're setting up a secret or you're"}, {"start": "03:13:52", "end": "03:13:56", "text": "setting up a space program and you're"}, {"start": "03:13:54", "end": "03:13:58", "text": "trying to understand these very advanced"}, {"start": "03:13:56", "end": "03:14:01", "text": "technologies. You might you might just"}, {"start": "03:13:58", "end": "03:14:04", "text": "have one or two people that are really"}, {"start": "03:14:01", "end": "03:14:07", "text": "out there in terms of their mental"}, {"start": "03:14:04", "end": "03:14:10", "text": "capacity to understand and and develop"}, {"start": "03:14:07", "end": "03:14:14", "text": "these technologies. And I I think with"}, {"start": "03:14:10", "end": "03:14:17", "text": "his death, the Soviets"}, {"start": "03:14:14", "end": "03:14:21", "text": "pretty much gave up on the race to the"}, {"start": "03:14:17", "end": "03:14:23", "text": "moon and and then you had the kind of"}, {"start": "03:14:21", "end": "03:14:26", "text": "slow demise of the Soviet Union"}, {"start": "03:14:23", "end": "03:14:30", "text": "afterwards. So, so something was helping"}, {"start": "03:14:26", "end": "03:14:32", "text": "the US in moving forward in their secret"}, {"start": "03:14:30", "end": "03:14:35", "text": "space program."}, {"start": "03:14:32", "end": "03:14:38", "text": ">> I think so too. And um when Kennedy"}, {"start": "03:14:35", "end": "03:14:43", "text": "gives a speech and offers to go to the"}, {"start": "03:14:38", "end": "03:14:46", "text": "moon with the Soviets as partners"}, {"start": "03:14:43", "end": "03:14:48", "text": "and then and then is dead shortly after."}, {"start": "03:14:46", "end": "03:14:51", "text": "That would have that would have changed"}, {"start": "03:14:48", "end": "03:14:52", "text": "geopolitics forever if it was a joint"}, {"start": "03:14:51", "end": "03:14:54", "text": "mission between the United States and"}, {"start": "03:14:52", "end": "03:14:58", "text": "the Soviet Union to the moon."}, {"start": "03:14:54", "end": "03:15:01", "text": ">> That's right. Yes. That on November 11,"}, {"start": "03:14:58", "end": "03:15:03", "text": "1963. So this is 11 day 11 days before"}, {"start": "03:15:01", "end": "03:15:06", "text": "the assassination."}, {"start": "03:15:03", "end": "03:15:10", "text": "Nicodev and"}, {"start": "03:15:06", "end": "03:15:10", "text": "Kennedy agreed for joint space"}, {"start": "03:15:10", "end": "03:15:11", "text": "cooperation."}, {"start": "03:15:10", "end": "03:15:14", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "03:15:11", "end": "03:15:16", "text": ">> Between the US and USSR and they would"}, {"start": "03:15:14", "end": "03:15:20", "text": "share all pertinent files to enable"}, {"start": "03:15:16", "end": "03:15:24", "text": "space cooperation and joint missions to"}, {"start": "03:15:20", "end": "03:15:26", "text": "the moon. And part of the condition and"}, {"start": "03:15:24", "end": "03:15:28", "text": "and again this takes us to the leaked"}, {"start": "03:15:26", "end": "03:15:29", "text": "majestic documents and there's good"}, {"start": "03:15:28", "end": "03:15:34", "text": "reason and and actually there are some"}, {"start": "03:15:29", "end": "03:15:36", "text": "leaked actually a foyer document NS am"}, {"start": "03:15:34", "end": "03:15:37", "text": "nam271"}, {"start": "03:15:36", "end": "03:15:43", "text": "y"}, {"start": "03:15:37", "end": "03:15:45", "text": ">> talks about NASA and the Soviet Soviet"}, {"start": "03:15:43", "end": "03:15:46", "text": "space program sharing files"}, {"start": "03:15:45", "end": "03:15:48", "text": ">> that is the and Sam that that's a real"}, {"start": "03:15:46", "end": "03:15:49", "text": "document for sure."}, {"start": "03:15:48", "end": "03:15:52", "text": ">> Exactly. And so there's also leaked"}, {"start": "03:15:49", "end": "03:15:57", "text": "majestic documents that dubtail with"}, {"start": "03:15:52", "end": "03:16:00", "text": "that that say that uh the CIA had to"}, {"start": "03:15:57", "end": "03:16:04", "text": "share its classified UFO files"}, {"start": "03:16:00", "end": "03:16:08", "text": ">> with NASA so that it could fulfill its"}, {"start": "03:16:04", "end": "03:16:10", "text": "obligations to share files with the"}, {"start": "03:16:08", "end": "03:16:12", "text": "Soviet Union. And and of course the"}, {"start": "03:16:10", "end": "03:16:14", "text": "people running the secret space programs"}, {"start": "03:16:12", "end": "03:16:17", "text": "knew that this was Kennedy's end run"}, {"start": "03:16:14", "end": "03:16:21", "text": "around the CIA's blocking him getting"}, {"start": "03:16:17", "end": "03:16:24", "text": "access to the classified files and James"}, {"start": "03:16:21", "end": "03:16:25", "text": "Jesus Angleton as the CIA's counter"}, {"start": "03:16:24", "end": "03:16:28", "text": "intelligence"}, {"start": "03:16:25", "end": "03:16:32", "text": "head who was responsible for the"}, {"start": "03:16:28", "end": "03:16:35", "text": "classified CIA files. He implemented the"}, {"start": "03:16:32", "end": "03:16:36", "text": "majest the the the majestic directive or"}, {"start": "03:16:35", "end": "03:16:39", "text": "the the magic directives. And one of"}, {"start": "03:16:36", "end": "03:16:42", "text": "those directives was called u project"}, {"start": "03:16:39", "end": "03:16:44", "text": "environment which was a cryptic"}, {"start": "03:16:42", "end": "03:16:47", "text": "assassination"}, {"start": "03:16:44", "end": "03:16:50", "text": "directive that said when the environment"}, {"start": "03:16:47", "end": "03:16:54", "text": "is non-conducive to growth in Washington"}, {"start": "03:16:50", "end": "03:16:56", "text": "DC it must be wet. Well why why was it"}, {"start": "03:16:54", "end": "03:16:58", "text": "written that way? Well, because there's"}, {"start": "03:16:56", "end": "03:17:02", "text": "secretaries that type out these"}, {"start": "03:16:58", "end": "03:17:04", "text": "directives and if and the secretary"}, {"start": "03:17:02", "end": "03:17:07", "text": "types out a directive saying, \"Well, if"}, {"start": "03:17:04", "end": "03:17:09", "text": "any president gets out of line and"}, {"start": "03:17:07", "end": "03:17:12", "text": "threatens our operations, he should be"}, {"start": "03:17:09", "end": "03:17:14", "text": "eliminated.\" You can imagine a secretary"}, {"start": "03:17:12", "end": "03:17:16", "text": "typing that out how she would react. So,"}, {"start": "03:17:14", "end": "03:17:18", "text": "you you have a cryptic phrase"}, {"start": "03:17:16", "end": "03:17:19", "text": ">> and but that phrase is very clear for"}, {"start": "03:17:18", "end": "03:17:21", "text": "people in the intelligence community"}, {"start": "03:17:19", "end": "03:17:24", "text": "that you you kill them."}, {"start": "03:17:21", "end": "03:17:26", "text": "And that's exactly what happened 11 days"}, {"start": "03:17:24", "end": "03:17:29", "text": "later with the Kennedy assassination."}, {"start": "03:17:26", "end": "03:17:34", "text": "And that was, I think, directly related"}, {"start": "03:17:29", "end": "03:17:35", "text": "to that November 11 agreement between"}, {"start": "03:17:34", "end": "03:17:36", "text": "Kruev and Kennedy."}, {"start": "03:17:35", "end": "03:17:39", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:17:36", "end": "03:17:41", "text": ">> That information files concerning UFOs"}, {"start": "03:17:39", "end": "03:17:44", "text": "needed to be shared as part of this"}, {"start": "03:17:41", "end": "03:17:47", "text": "joint lunar and space operation."}, {"start": "03:17:44", "end": "03:17:49", "text": ">> If you follow the Kennedy assassination"}, {"start": "03:17:47", "end": "03:17:52", "text": "threads far enough, you'll always end up"}, {"start": "03:17:49", "end": "03:17:55", "text": "at UFOs. You'll end up at the Mory"}, {"start": "03:17:52", "end": "03:17:58", "text": "Island incident. You'll end up you'll"}, {"start": "03:17:55", "end": "03:18:00", "text": "find Guy Banister and all these"}, {"start": "03:17:58", "end": "03:18:02", "text": "characters that you know from the JFK"}, {"start": "03:18:00", "end": "03:18:04", "text": "movie. They're all involved and it all"}, {"start": "03:18:02", "end": "03:18:06", "text": "goes back to the UFO retrieval in"}, {"start": "03:18:04", "end": "03:18:09", "text": "Northwest. The um Kenneth Arnold"}, {"start": "03:18:06", "end": "03:18:11", "text": "sighting happened like two weeks earlier"}, {"start": "03:18:09", "end": "03:18:13", "text": "from Mory Island and all those"}, {"start": "03:18:11", "end": "03:18:15", "text": "characters end up in New Orleans"}, {"start": "03:18:13", "end": "03:18:16", "text": "plotting to kill a president."}, {"start": "03:18:15", "end": "03:18:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Another"}, {"start": "03:18:16", "end": "03:18:20", "text": ">> David Ferry."}, {"start": "03:18:18", "end": "03:18:21", "text": "Well, another element to all of that"}, {"start": "03:18:20", "end": "03:18:22", "text": "that's kind of like crazy, but I'll"}, {"start": "03:18:21", "end": "03:18:24", "text": "throw it out there because we've been"}, {"start": "03:18:22", "end": "03:18:28", "text": "talking about it"}, {"start": "03:18:24", "end": "03:18:30", "text": ">> is that uh Joseph Kennedy, his father,"}, {"start": "03:18:28", "end": "03:18:33", "text": "people know that he had deals with the"}, {"start": "03:18:30", "end": "03:18:34", "text": "the mafia and he had"}, {"start": "03:18:33", "end": "03:18:36", "text": ">> that's how Chicago was won."}, {"start": "03:18:34", "end": "03:18:38", "text": ">> That's how Chicago was won. Well, what"}, {"start": "03:18:36", "end": "03:18:41", "text": "what people"}, {"start": "03:18:38", "end": "03:18:43", "text": ">> don't appreciate is that Joe Kennedy was"}, {"start": "03:18:41", "end": "03:18:46", "text": "also a supporter of Nazi Germany"}, {"start": "03:18:43", "end": "03:18:49", "text": ">> as Britain's ambassador. He was a"}, {"start": "03:18:46", "end": "03:18:51", "text": "sympathizer for the Nazis. And so"}, {"start": "03:18:49", "end": "03:18:53", "text": ">> the Dallas brothers as well."}, {"start": "03:18:51", "end": "03:18:55", "text": ">> Dallas brothers as well. And so it's"}, {"start": "03:18:53", "end": "03:18:58", "text": "like agreements were reached in the"}, {"start": "03:18:55", "end": "03:19:01", "text": "1950s with the with the fourth Reich."}, {"start": "03:18:58", "end": "03:19:04", "text": "What role did Joe Kennedy play in that?"}, {"start": "03:19:01", "end": "03:19:08", "text": "What role did Joe Kennedy play in"}, {"start": "03:19:04", "end": "03:19:12", "text": "getting the fourth right to support his"}, {"start": "03:19:08", "end": "03:19:15", "text": "son being elevated to"}, {"start": "03:19:12", "end": "03:19:17", "text": "from a junior senator from Massachusetts"}, {"start": "03:19:15", "end": "03:19:19", "text": "to become the president of the United"}, {"start": "03:19:17", "end": "03:19:24", "text": "States? Did these did this fourth Reich"}, {"start": "03:19:19", "end": "03:19:27", "text": "support that? And if the fourth Reich"}, {"start": "03:19:24", "end": "03:19:29", "text": "felt that well after Joe Kennedy became"}, {"start": "03:19:27", "end": "03:19:32", "text": "incapacitated"}, {"start": "03:19:29", "end": "03:19:35", "text": "and the Kennedys were now suddenly going"}, {"start": "03:19:32", "end": "03:19:39", "text": "their own path and not supporting the"}, {"start": "03:19:35", "end": "03:19:41", "text": "fourth Reich agenda because if the"}, {"start": "03:19:39", "end": "03:19:42", "text": "Fourth Reich wanted everything to keep"}, {"start": "03:19:41", "end": "03:19:44", "text": "to be kept secret. Y"}, {"start": "03:19:42", "end": "03:19:46", "text": ">> and here the Kennedy brothers are"}, {"start": "03:19:44", "end": "03:19:49", "text": "wanting to share files with the with the"}, {"start": "03:19:46", "end": "03:19:52", "text": "Soviets and they're wanting to have"}, {"start": "03:19:49", "end": "03:19:55", "text": "these UFO files become"}, {"start": "03:19:52", "end": "03:19:58", "text": "more transparent or circulated at the"}, {"start": "03:19:55", "end": "03:20:00", "text": "very least among the major US"}, {"start": "03:19:58", "end": "03:20:03", "text": "institutions like the State Department"}, {"start": "03:20:00", "end": "03:20:05", "text": "and so forth then the Kennedys would"}, {"start": "03:20:03", "end": "03:20:06", "text": "have been a threat to the to the"}, {"start": "03:20:05", "end": "03:20:07", "text": "secrecy."}, {"start": "03:20:06", "end": "03:20:10", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:20:07", "end": "03:20:13", "text": ">> And so could the Germans have played a"}, {"start": "03:20:10", "end": "03:20:16", "text": "role in that as well? So, it's it's"}, {"start": "03:20:13", "end": "03:20:20", "text": "something to kind of throw into the mix."}, {"start": "03:20:16", "end": "03:20:22", "text": ">> I hadn't considered the the Germans."}, {"start": "03:20:20", "end": "03:20:24", "text": "I always thought it was a a deep state"}, {"start": "03:20:22", "end": "03:20:29", "text": "plot."}, {"start": "03:20:24", "end": "03:20:29", "text": "But you lean fourth Reich on Kennedy."}, {"start": "03:20:30", "end": "03:20:34", "text": "I think the ones that were in control of"}, {"start": "03:20:33", "end": "03:20:35", "text": "the UFO secrecy,"}, {"start": "03:20:34", "end": "03:20:38", "text": ">> yes,"}, {"start": "03:20:35", "end": "03:20:42", "text": ">> totally were in control of that and they"}, {"start": "03:20:38", "end": "03:20:44", "text": "they co-opted other elements, whether it"}, {"start": "03:20:42", "end": "03:20:48", "text": "was the CIA, whether it was the the"}, {"start": "03:20:44", "end": "03:20:53", "text": "Corsican mafia, whether it was"}, {"start": "03:20:48", "end": "03:20:56", "text": ">> uh other gangsters from United States,"}, {"start": "03:20:53", "end": "03:20:59", "text": "disaffected Cuban exiles, that they"}, {"start": "03:20:56", "end": "03:21:03", "text": "co-opted all of them to do do the dirty"}, {"start": "03:20:59", "end": "03:21:04", "text": "work, but that this M majestic 12 group"}, {"start": "03:21:03", "end": "03:21:07", "text": "were the ones that were ultimately"}, {"start": "03:21:04", "end": "03:21:12", "text": "behind it. And you can trace it to Alan"}, {"start": "03:21:07", "end": "03:21:14", "text": "Dulles and Alan Dulles was the guy that"}, {"start": "03:21:12", "end": "03:21:16", "text": "made the agreements with the Germans. So"}, {"start": "03:21:14", "end": "03:21:19", "text": "to what extent are the Germans involved?"}, {"start": "03:21:16", "end": "03:21:22", "text": "Well, we know Alan Dulles, the Majestic"}, {"start": "03:21:19", "end": "03:21:25", "text": "12 group were involved in these"}, {"start": "03:21:22", "end": "03:21:28", "text": "directives. There's a paper trial and"}, {"start": "03:21:25", "end": "03:21:34", "text": ">> and and very recently it's been proved"}, {"start": "03:21:28", "end": "03:21:39", "text": "that there was a the majestic document"}, {"start": "03:21:34", "end": "03:21:41", "text": "that revealed a lot of the well revealed"}, {"start": "03:21:39", "end": "03:21:44", "text": "the burn memo, the famous burn memo, the"}, {"start": "03:21:41", "end": "03:21:46", "text": "one that said that that there was this"}, {"start": "03:21:44", "end": "03:21:50", "text": "assass cryptic assassination directive"}, {"start": "03:21:46", "end": "03:21:53", "text": "that that was actually leaked by this"}, {"start": "03:21:50", "end": "03:21:54", "text": "CIA operative Newton Scotty Miller. Now,"}, {"start": "03:21:53", "end": "03:21:57", "text": "was that wasn't that the document that"}, {"start": "03:21:54", "end": "03:22:01", "text": "was supposedly planted in the archives"}, {"start": "03:21:57", "end": "03:22:05", "text": "by Chandere and Moore? The burn memo."}, {"start": "03:22:01", "end": "03:22:06", "text": ">> That one I think that was a majestic"}, {"start": "03:22:05", "end": "03:22:09", "text": "document."}, {"start": "03:22:06", "end": "03:22:11", "text": ">> That was the the majestic document that"}, {"start": "03:22:09", "end": "03:22:13", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:22:11", "end": "03:22:16", "text": "that Stanton Freeman found when he went"}, {"start": "03:22:13", "end": "03:22:18", "text": "into the archives."}, {"start": "03:22:16", "end": "03:22:22", "text": ">> That Yeah, that they that was something"}, {"start": "03:22:18", "end": "03:22:26", "text": "that referred to Operation Majestic."}, {"start": "03:22:22", "end": "03:22:30", "text": "which supported the the the"}, {"start": "03:22:26", "end": "03:22:31", "text": "reality of uh the Majestic program."}, {"start": "03:22:30", "end": "03:22:33", "text": ">> But look at the mess we're in again."}, {"start": "03:22:31", "end": "03:22:36", "text": "We're back to Bill Moore and Dodie with"}, {"start": "03:22:33", "end": "03:22:39", "text": "the documents. So the Majestic documents"}, {"start": "03:22:36", "end": "03:22:41", "text": "look legit, but because these guys are"}, {"start": "03:22:39", "end": "03:22:44", "text": "attached to it, we're back to the fake"}, {"start": "03:22:41", "end": "03:22:46", "text": "diplomas on the wall."}, {"start": "03:22:44", "end": "03:22:49", "text": ">> Well, there is that. But Newton Scotty"}, {"start": "03:22:46", "end": "03:22:51", "text": "Miller wasn't Richard Dodie. I mean, he"}, {"start": "03:22:49", "end": "03:22:55", "text": "was actually a counter intelligence"}, {"start": "03:22:51", "end": "03:22:57", "text": "officer that worked under James Jesus"}, {"start": "03:22:55", "end": "03:23:00", "text": "Angleton. And and from the very"}, {"start": "03:22:57", "end": "03:23:04", "text": "beginning, that burn memo"}, {"start": "03:23:00", "end": "03:23:08", "text": "was part of a a collection of majestic"}, {"start": "03:23:04", "end": "03:23:11", "text": "documents that were"}, {"start": "03:23:08", "end": "03:23:16", "text": "rescued from an attempt to burn them"}, {"start": "03:23:11", "end": "03:23:18", "text": "because Angle Angel had died and that a"}, {"start": "03:23:16", "end": "03:23:21", "text": "directive was put out by the CIA's"}, {"start": "03:23:18", "end": "03:23:24", "text": "counter intelligence division to burn"}, {"start": "03:23:21", "end": "03:23:26", "text": "anything that Angleton had. And Newton"}, {"start": "03:23:24", "end": "03:23:29", "text": "Scotty Miller was one of Angleton's"}, {"start": "03:23:26", "end": "03:23:31", "text": "operatives and he knew the importance of"}, {"start": "03:23:29", "end": "03:23:33", "text": "these documents and he's rescued them"}, {"start": "03:23:31", "end": "03:23:38", "text": "from the"}, {"start": "03:23:33", "end": "03:23:41", "text": "from the fire. So he's a legitimate"}, {"start": "03:23:38", "end": "03:23:42", "text": "covert operative with the CI's counter"}, {"start": "03:23:41", "end": "03:23:45", "text": "intelligence. Does that mean that he's"}, {"start": "03:23:42", "end": "03:23:46", "text": "another Dodie?"}, {"start": "03:23:45", "end": "03:23:48", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "03:23:46", "end": "03:23:52", "text": ">> That's some some can make that question."}, {"start": "03:23:48", "end": "03:23:55", "text": "But but I think if you wanted to"}, {"start": "03:23:52", "end": "03:23:58", "text": "support the legitimacy of the majestic"}, {"start": "03:23:55", "end": "03:24:01", "text": "documents that are connected to the"}, {"start": "03:23:58", "end": "03:24:05", "text": "Kennedy assassination, we know that one"}, {"start": "03:24:01", "end": "03:24:08", "text": "of the sources S1 was in fact a known"}, {"start": "03:24:05", "end": "03:24:11", "text": "CIA counter inelligence operative that"}, {"start": "03:24:08", "end": "03:24:13", "text": "worked directly under Angleton and that"}, {"start": "03:24:11", "end": "03:24:15", "text": "that operative when he leaked the"}, {"start": "03:24:13", "end": "03:24:18", "text": "documents said that these documents were"}, {"start": "03:24:15", "end": "03:24:22", "text": "rescued from a fire and they show"}, {"start": "03:24:18", "end": "03:24:23", "text": "evidence of smoke and damage, fire"}, {"start": "03:24:22", "end": "03:24:24", "text": "damage."}, {"start": "03:24:23", "end": "03:24:27", "text": ">> Yeah, Forestall didn't jump from that"}, {"start": "03:24:24", "end": "03:24:30", "text": "window."}, {"start": "03:24:27", "end": "03:24:34", "text": ">> No, he was pushed out of that window."}, {"start": "03:24:30", "end": "03:24:37", "text": ">> I would totally agree with that."}, {"start": "03:24:34", "end": "03:24:40", "text": ">> And Boristol"}, {"start": "03:24:37", "end": "03:24:42", "text": "was someone well, Secretary of Defense,"}, {"start": "03:24:40", "end": "03:24:44", "text": "Secretary of the Navy."}, {"start": "03:24:42", "end": "03:24:47", "text": ">> He was"}, {"start": "03:24:44", "end": "03:24:49", "text": ">> first Secretary of Defense."}, {"start": "03:24:47", "end": "03:24:51", "text": "Exactly. First Secretary of Defense. So"}, {"start": "03:24:49", "end": "03:24:54", "text": "he was read into a lot of the programs"}, {"start": "03:24:51", "end": "03:24:58", "text": "and he knew about the what Tomkins was"}, {"start": "03:24:54", "end": "03:25:02", "text": "working on with the US Navy and there's"}, {"start": "03:24:58", "end": "03:25:04", "text": "orders that Tomkins has released that"}, {"start": "03:25:02", "end": "03:25:07", "text": "are connected to James Foresttol. But"}, {"start": "03:25:04", "end": "03:25:12", "text": "the really interesting thing about"}, {"start": "03:25:07", "end": "03:25:15", "text": "Foresttol is that he and President"}, {"start": "03:25:12", "end": "03:25:19", "text": "Kennedy were well he was Kennedy was"}, {"start": "03:25:15", "end": "03:25:22", "text": "Foresttol's protege that that Forestl"}, {"start": "03:25:19", "end": "03:25:25", "text": "took Kennedy to occupied Germany after"}, {"start": "03:25:22", "end": "03:25:29", "text": "the Second World War and showed him the"}, {"start": "03:25:25", "end": "03:25:32", "text": "facilities the the the German facilities"}, {"start": "03:25:29", "end": "03:25:34", "text": "that hel that held the"}, {"start": "03:25:32", "end": "03:25:37", "text": "most advanced technology. technologies"}, {"start": "03:25:34", "end": "03:25:40", "text": "that were of interest to the US Navy."}, {"start": "03:25:37", "end": "03:25:42", "text": ">> I think Ike told JFK some things, too."}, {"start": "03:25:40", "end": "03:25:44", "text": ">> That's right. That's right."}, {"start": "03:25:42", "end": "03:25:47", "text": ">> Cuz Kennedy would call him up and ask"}, {"start": "03:25:44", "end": "03:25:48", "text": "him about stuff. And one of the things"}, {"start": "03:25:47", "end": "03:25:50", "text": "Eisenhower said was, \"Don't trust the"}, {"start": "03:25:48", "end": "03:25:53", "text": "CIA.\""}, {"start": "03:25:50", "end": "03:25:55", "text": ">> Interesting. Interesting."}, {"start": "03:25:53", "end": "03:25:59", "text": "So Forestall knew a lot of the stuff and"}, {"start": "03:25:55", "end": "03:26:04", "text": "had told Kennedy a lot of the stuff"}, {"start": "03:25:59", "end": "03:26:05", "text": "while well while Kennedy was because"}, {"start": "03:26:04", "end": "03:26:08", "text": "Forester was trying to recruit Kennedy"}, {"start": "03:26:05", "end": "03:26:11", "text": "to his office, but eventually Kennedy"}, {"start": "03:26:08", "end": "03:26:14", "text": "was persuaded by his father to enter"}, {"start": "03:26:11", "end": "03:26:16", "text": "politics and fill in the role that his"}, {"start": "03:26:14", "end": "03:26:19", "text": "older brother would have filled in. So,"}, {"start": "03:26:16", "end": "03:26:21", "text": "so Kennedy became a a politician, but he"}, {"start": "03:26:19", "end": "03:26:24", "text": "and Foresttol maintained a close"}, {"start": "03:26:21", "end": "03:26:28", "text": "relationship and up until 49,"}, {"start": "03:26:24", "end": "03:26:30", "text": "uh, they regularly met and and Foresttol"}, {"start": "03:26:28", "end": "03:26:30", "text": "was, I think, killed."}, {"start": "03:26:30", "end": "03:26:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:26:30", "end": "03:26:36", "text": ">> Because he was breaking ranks. He was"}, {"start": "03:26:33", "end": "03:26:38", "text": "revealing"}, {"start": "03:26:36", "end": "03:26:40", "text": "things to different members of Congress,"}, {"start": "03:26:38", "end": "03:26:43", "text": "including Kennedy, about what was really"}, {"start": "03:26:40", "end": "03:26:45", "text": "going on with the management of the uh,"}, {"start": "03:26:43", "end": "03:26:48", "text": "extraterrestrial files."}, {"start": "03:26:45", "end": "03:26:50", "text": "And so they decided to eliminate"}, {"start": "03:26:48", "end": "03:26:55", "text": "Boristol and and that's what happened."}, {"start": "03:26:50", "end": "03:26:56", "text": "And then in 1963"}, {"start": "03:26:55", "end": "03:26:59", "text": "in April,"}, {"start": "03:26:56", "end": "03:27:00", "text": ">> did did JFK ever comment on on Forest's"}, {"start": "03:26:59", "end": "03:27:04", "text": "death?"}, {"start": "03:27:00", "end": "03:27:10", "text": ">> Not directly. indirectly he did because"}, {"start": "03:27:04", "end": "03:27:12", "text": "in 1963 before he went to Homestead of"}, {"start": "03:27:10", "end": "03:27:14", "text": "uh White Sands Missile Range where there"}, {"start": "03:27:12", "end": "03:27:16", "text": "were a bunch of project paperclip"}, {"start": "03:27:14", "end": "03:27:18", "text": "scientists"}, {"start": "03:27:16", "end": "03:27:21", "text": ">> before he went there he visited the"}, {"start": "03:27:18", "end": "03:27:23", "text": "grave of James Foresttol and so there's"}, {"start": "03:27:21", "end": "03:27:25", "text": "a picture of him and in my book I've got"}, {"start": "03:27:23", "end": "03:27:28", "text": "that picture of Kennedy visiting the"}, {"start": "03:27:25", "end": "03:27:31", "text": "grave of James Forest. This is in April,"}, {"start": "03:27:28", "end": "03:27:34", "text": "just a week before he's to fly off to"}, {"start": "03:27:31", "end": "03:27:36", "text": "White Sands to meet with the paperclip"}, {"start": "03:27:34", "end": "03:27:38", "text": "German scientists that that are running"}, {"start": "03:27:36", "end": "03:27:41", "text": "the programs there that that are really"}, {"start": "03:27:38", "end": "03:27:44", "text": "in charge of a lot of these"}, {"start": "03:27:41", "end": "03:27:48", "text": "UFO files or that of the reverse"}, {"start": "03:27:44", "end": "03:27:50", "text": "engineering what's going on. And I think"}, {"start": "03:27:48", "end": "03:27:55", "text": "he was"}, {"start": "03:27:50", "end": "03:27:58", "text": "seeking advice soulless. But the kind of"}, {"start": "03:27:55", "end": "03:28:01", "text": "non-verbal message there is that he was"}, {"start": "03:27:58", "end": "03:28:06", "text": "following in the path of Foresttol in"}, {"start": "03:28:01", "end": "03:28:10", "text": "confronting the powers that be in"}, {"start": "03:28:06", "end": "03:28:11", "text": "releasing this information and it was"}, {"start": "03:28:10", "end": "03:28:13", "text": "ultimately a losing battle."}, {"start": "03:28:11", "end": "03:28:14", "text": ">> He followed Foresttol all the way to the"}, {"start": "03:28:13", "end": "03:28:18", "text": "end."}, {"start": "03:28:14", "end": "03:28:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Both he and Forestl are real"}, {"start": "03:28:18", "end": "03:28:21", "text": "American heroes."}, {"start": "03:28:19", "end": "03:28:23", "text": ">> They really were. That it was that"}, {"start": "03:28:21", "end": "03:28:26", "text": "November 11th speech that would have"}, {"start": "03:28:23", "end": "03:28:30", "text": "changed the course of history. It is one"}, {"start": "03:28:26", "end": "03:28:31", "text": "of those hinge points"}, {"start": "03:28:30", "end": "03:28:35", "text": "that leads to his assassination, which"}, {"start": "03:28:31", "end": "03:28:40", "text": "changed history for the worse."}, {"start": "03:28:35", "end": "03:28:44", "text": "Yeah. Uh Kennedy definitely was a person"}, {"start": "03:28:40", "end": "03:28:47", "text": "that wanted to reveal a lot of the UFO"}, {"start": "03:28:44", "end": "03:28:50", "text": "information, but I think he wanted to do"}, {"start": "03:28:47", "end": "03:28:54", "text": "it in a very methodical way. I think if"}, {"start": "03:28:50", "end": "03:28:56", "text": "he had survived in 1964, he would have"}, {"start": "03:28:54", "end": "03:29:00", "text": "circulated the files"}, {"start": "03:28:56", "end": "03:29:01", "text": "to the Department of State to other"}, {"start": "03:29:00", "end": "03:29:02", "text": "public officials and"}, {"start": "03:29:01", "end": "03:29:03", "text": ">> would have brought the Soviets in as"}, {"start": "03:29:02", "end": "03:29:05", "text": "partners."}, {"start": "03:29:03", "end": "03:29:07", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "03:29:05", "end": "03:29:09", "text": "similar to what's happening today under"}, {"start": "03:29:07", "end": "03:29:14", "text": "President Trump. What what you're having"}, {"start": "03:29:09", "end": "03:29:16", "text": "now is you're not having a lot of these"}, {"start": "03:29:14", "end": "03:29:19", "text": "files or the information concerning"}, {"start": "03:29:16", "end": "03:29:22", "text": "crashed UFOs, reverse engineering of"}, {"start": "03:29:19", "end": "03:29:25", "text": "extraterrestrial craft being released to"}, {"start": "03:29:22", "end": "03:29:26", "text": "the general public. That's not what"}, {"start": "03:29:25", "end": "03:29:30", "text": "President Trump has done. What he's done"}, {"start": "03:29:26", "end": "03:29:34", "text": "is he's issued directives"}, {"start": "03:29:30", "end": "03:29:38", "text": "freeing whistleblowers from their NDAs"}, {"start": "03:29:34", "end": "03:29:40", "text": "or or or giving them waiverss from any"}, {"start": "03:29:38", "end": "03:29:43", "text": "kind of agreements they've reached with"}, {"start": "03:29:40", "end": "03:29:47", "text": "aerospace companies and so forth to"}, {"start": "03:29:43", "end": "03:29:48", "text": "reveal what they know to the pursuit"}, {"start": "03:29:47", "end": "03:29:52", "text": "program. That's the president's uh"}, {"start": "03:29:48", "end": "03:29:56", "text": "presidential unsealing and records"}, {"start": "03:29:52", "end": "03:30:00", "text": "system for UAP encounters. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:29:56", "end": "03:30:02", "text": ">> So he is making it possible, Trump is"}, {"start": "03:30:00", "end": "03:30:05", "text": "making it possible for that information"}, {"start": "03:30:02", "end": "03:30:08", "text": "to be shared more widely in the"}, {"start": "03:30:05", "end": "03:30:10", "text": "bureaucracy and that is the way Kennedy"}, {"start": "03:30:08", "end": "03:30:12", "text": "was trying to do it as well. So Trump is"}, {"start": "03:30:10", "end": "03:30:15", "text": "following the footsteps of Kennedy."}, {"start": "03:30:12", "end": "03:30:18", "text": "First you release these files to the"}, {"start": "03:30:15", "end": "03:30:20", "text": "bureaucracy so it gets circulated around"}, {"start": "03:30:18", "end": "03:30:22", "text": "and then once it does more and more"}, {"start": "03:30:20", "end": "03:30:24", "text": "people look at all this stuff and say"}, {"start": "03:30:22", "end": "03:30:27", "text": "this needs to be released and so you"}, {"start": "03:30:24", "end": "03:30:29", "text": "have the momentum coming from the system"}, {"start": "03:30:27", "end": "03:30:32", "text": "itself but if you try and do it on your"}, {"start": "03:30:29", "end": "03:30:35", "text": "own you'll get bumped off and so that's"}, {"start": "03:30:32", "end": "03:30:37", "text": "what Trump is doing you know he's not"}, {"start": "03:30:35", "end": "03:30:40", "text": "doing it on his own he's trying to get"}, {"start": "03:30:37", "end": "03:30:43", "text": "the bureaucracy to"}, {"start": "03:30:40", "end": "03:30:46", "text": "share this information war more widely"}, {"start": "03:30:43", "end": "03:30:50", "text": "and and I think his genius move was to"}, {"start": "03:30:46", "end": "03:30:52", "text": "set up the space force and the"}, {"start": "03:30:50", "end": "03:30:55", "text": "space command and come up with this"}, {"start": "03:30:52", "end": "03:30:59", "text": "doctrinal shift. So all of a sudden you"}, {"start": "03:30:55", "end": "03:31:01", "text": "take the whole topic of UFOs out of the"}, {"start": "03:30:59", "end": "03:31:05", "text": "domain of the intelligence community and"}, {"start": "03:31:01", "end": "03:31:07", "text": "you put it into the domain of the f"}, {"start": "03:31:05", "end": "03:31:10", "text": "future of war fighting. How do we deal"}, {"start": "03:31:07", "end": "03:31:14", "text": "with these kinds of threats? And so, so"}, {"start": "03:31:10", "end": "03:31:18", "text": "what Trump has done is he's set up the"}, {"start": "03:31:14", "end": "03:31:21", "text": "bureaucracy to become his allies in"}, {"start": "03:31:18", "end": "03:31:23", "text": "releasing the UFO files in releasing the"}, {"start": "03:31:21", "end": "03:31:25", "text": "truth of what's going on. So that's why"}, {"start": "03:31:23", "end": "03:31:27", "text": "I'm much more confident that Trump will"}, {"start": "03:31:25", "end": "03:31:29", "text": "succeed whereas Kennedy ultimately"}, {"start": "03:31:27", "end": "03:31:31", "text": "failed."}, {"start": "03:31:29", "end": "03:31:33", "text": ">> Well, I there's been attempts on Trump's"}, {"start": "03:31:31", "end": "03:31:34", "text": "life as well."}, {"start": "03:31:33", "end": "03:31:39", "text": "Do you think there's more to those"}, {"start": "03:31:34", "end": "03:31:42", "text": "stories than what we hear in the media?"}, {"start": "03:31:39", "end": "03:31:47", "text": "I think the Butler assassination attempt"}, {"start": "03:31:42", "end": "03:31:49", "text": "is a classic. On the one hand, you have"}, {"start": "03:31:47", "end": "03:31:51", "text": "the deep state"}, {"start": "03:31:49", "end": "03:31:53", "text": "coming within a centimeter of"}, {"start": "03:31:51", "end": "03:31:54", "text": "assassinating Trump."}, {"start": "03:31:53", "end": "03:31:56", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:31:54", "end": "03:32:00", "text": ">> But on the other hand, you have the"}, {"start": "03:31:56", "end": "03:32:02", "text": "White Hats showing the deep state,"}, {"start": "03:32:00", "end": "03:32:06", "text": "you gave it your best shot. You couldn't"}, {"start": "03:32:02", "end": "03:32:09", "text": "pull it off because we have better"}, {"start": "03:32:06", "end": "03:32:14", "text": "technology than you. We can anticipate"}, {"start": "03:32:09", "end": "03:32:16", "text": "your moves and we have the means to"}, {"start": "03:32:14", "end": "03:32:18", "text": "protect our people. And so they're"}, {"start": "03:32:16", "end": "03:32:20", "text": "protecting Trump and they're doing"}, {"start": "03:32:18", "end": "03:32:20", "text": ">> You think they are? Do you think they"}, {"start": "03:32:20", "end": "03:32:22", "text": "are?"}, {"start": "03:32:20", "end": "03:32:25", "text": ">> Totally. Yeah. I think there have been"}, {"start": "03:32:22", "end": "03:32:28", "text": "multiple assassination attempts on Trump"}, {"start": "03:32:25", "end": "03:32:31", "text": "and"}, {"start": "03:32:28", "end": "03:32:33", "text": "the White Hats get tipped off. How do"}, {"start": "03:32:31", "end": "03:32:35", "text": "they get tipped off? Well, the people"}, {"start": "03:32:33", "end": "03:32:37", "text": "who have the superior time travel"}, {"start": "03:32:35", "end": "03:32:40", "text": "technologies or the chronisor"}, {"start": "03:32:37", "end": "03:32:42", "text": "technologies can see further ahead."}, {"start": "03:32:40", "end": "03:32:44", "text": ">> Where is that where is that device? Who"}, {"start": "03:32:42", "end": "03:32:45", "text": "h who has that device and how does it"}, {"start": "03:32:44", "end": "03:32:48", "text": "work?"}, {"start": "03:32:45", "end": "03:32:50", "text": ">> Well, that gets us to the"}, {"start": "03:32:48", "end": "03:32:51", "text": "whole extraterrestrial element here like"}, {"start": "03:32:50", "end": "03:32:52", "text": "the"}, {"start": "03:32:51", "end": "03:32:54", "text": ">> I think"}, {"start": "03:32:52", "end": "03:32:58", "text": ">> Trump working with this galactic"}, {"start": "03:32:54", "end": "03:32:58", "text": "federation and the whole hed"}, {"start": "03:32:58", "end": "03:33:00", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:32:58", "end": "03:33:01", "text": ">> narrative. You you've heard of that?"}, {"start": "03:33:00", "end": "03:33:05", "text": ">> I have."}, {"start": "03:33:01", "end": "03:33:08", "text": ">> Okay. Now, H Eched talked about that in"}, {"start": "03:33:05", "end": "03:33:10", "text": "2019 and Trump is working with the"}, {"start": "03:33:08", "end": "03:33:13", "text": "Galactic Federation. There's deals. They"}, {"start": "03:33:10", "end": "03:33:16", "text": "have a base on Mars and so forth. And"}, {"start": "03:33:13", "end": "03:33:20", "text": "so, who is Hamesh Ed? Well, he's very"}, {"start": "03:33:16", "end": "03:33:22", "text": "credible. And then he disappears for"}, {"start": "03:33:20", "end": "03:33:24", "text": "seven years after revealing all this."}, {"start": "03:33:22", "end": "03:33:24", "text": "And everyone thinks he's crazy,"}, {"start": "03:33:24", "end": "03:33:25", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:33:24", "end": "03:33:28", "text": ">> All his former colleagues think he's"}, {"start": "03:33:25", "end": "03:33:30", "text": "crazy. He disappears and now he comes"}, {"start": "03:33:28", "end": "03:33:35", "text": "forward seven years later and he pops up"}, {"start": "03:33:30", "end": "03:33:38", "text": "with Yuri Gala and Gala saying, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "03:33:35", "end": "03:33:42", "text": "yeah, we're that um Trump's working with"}, {"start": "03:33:38", "end": "03:33:45", "text": "the Galactic Federation and that uh the"}, {"start": "03:33:42", "end": "03:33:47", "text": "Galactic Federation has bases in"}, {"start": "03:33:45", "end": "03:33:50", "text": "northern Israel and they are doing all"}, {"start": "03:33:47", "end": "03:33:54", "text": "this stuff. It's it's pretty wild stuff,"}, {"start": "03:33:50", "end": "03:33:57", "text": "but I think that the bottom line is that"}, {"start": "03:33:54", "end": "03:33:59", "text": "they are benign"}, {"start": "03:33:57", "end": "03:34:00", "text": "extraterrestrial groups."}, {"start": "03:33:59", "end": "03:34:05", "text": ">> So, this is an intergalactic community"}, {"start": "03:34:00", "end": "03:34:05", "text": "of races."}, {"start": "03:34:05", "end": "03:34:07", "text": ">> There's an organization,"}, {"start": "03:34:06", "end": "03:34:09", "text": ">> an organization,"}, {"start": "03:34:07", "end": "03:34:12", "text": ">> an organization. People give it"}, {"start": "03:34:09", "end": "03:34:15", "text": "different names. Galactic Federation is"}, {"start": "03:34:12", "end": "03:34:19", "text": "a name given to it by Hed and because"}, {"start": "03:34:15", "end": "03:34:22", "text": "he's the most credible source out there."}, {"start": "03:34:19", "end": "03:34:24", "text": "He his testimony kind of has carries a"}, {"start": "03:34:22", "end": "03:34:26", "text": "little bit of weight and so he's saying"}, {"start": "03:34:24", "end": "03:34:29", "text": "that they are working with the Trump"}, {"start": "03:34:26", "end": "03:34:32", "text": "administration and I and I sus and I"}, {"start": "03:34:29", "end": "03:34:34", "text": "believe that the Trump administration"}, {"start": "03:34:32", "end": "03:34:36", "text": "space force are working with benign"}, {"start": "03:34:34", "end": "03:34:38", "text": "extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "03:34:36", "end": "03:34:41", "text": "to"}, {"start": "03:34:38", "end": "03:34:44", "text": "reveal a lot of these advanced"}, {"start": "03:34:41", "end": "03:34:46", "text": "technologies"}, {"start": "03:34:44", "end": "03:34:50", "text": "to protect people like Trump who are"}, {"start": "03:34:46", "end": "03:34:53", "text": "critical for this shift to move forward"}, {"start": "03:34:50", "end": "03:34:55", "text": "and that we're fast reaching the point."}, {"start": "03:34:53", "end": "03:34:59", "text": "We probably think we've reached the"}, {"start": "03:34:55", "end": "03:35:02", "text": "point. Now, on the one hand, you can put"}, {"start": "03:34:59", "end": "03:35:05", "text": "disclosure like into the basket of like,"}, {"start": "03:35:02", "end": "03:35:08", "text": "well, we want it to happen. All the all"}, {"start": "03:35:05", "end": "03:35:10", "text": "the signs show that it's going to"}, {"start": "03:35:08", "end": "03:35:12", "text": "happen, but we don't know when and how,"}, {"start": "03:35:10", "end": "03:35:16", "text": ">> right? But what you can put into the"}, {"start": "03:35:12", "end": "03:35:20", "text": "inevitable basket that's"}, {"start": "03:35:16", "end": "03:35:23", "text": "unstoppable is that humanity is moving"}, {"start": "03:35:20", "end": "03:35:25", "text": "into an interplanetary"}, {"start": "03:35:23", "end": "03:35:26", "text": "society. That can't be stopped."}, {"start": "03:35:25", "end": "03:35:29", "text": ">> That can't be stopped."}, {"start": "03:35:26", "end": "03:35:31", "text": ">> It's already a done deal. It's already"}, {"start": "03:35:29", "end": "03:35:34", "text": "happened. Uh you have the Artemis"}, {"start": "03:35:31", "end": "03:35:37", "text": "Accords, 70 nations y"}, {"start": "03:35:34", "end": "03:35:42", "text": ">> that have signed on to these bilateral"}, {"start": "03:35:37", "end": "03:35:48", "text": "agreements with NASA to develop space."}, {"start": "03:35:42", "end": "03:35:52", "text": "You have the US space command that has"}, {"start": "03:35:48", "end": "03:35:55", "text": "signed agreements with other major space"}, {"start": "03:35:52", "end": "03:35:58", "text": "fairing nations to collaborate"}, {"start": "03:35:55", "end": "03:36:00", "text": "militarily in space."}, {"start": "03:35:58", "end": "03:36:03", "text": "Germany, France, Australia, Canada,"}, {"start": "03:36:00", "end": "03:36:06", "text": "Britain and so forth."}, {"start": "03:36:03", "end": "03:36:08", "text": "You actually have the secretary of the"}, {"start": "03:36:06", "end": "03:36:13", "text": "air force coming forward saying that we"}, {"start": "03:36:08", "end": "03:36:17", "text": "have developed weapons in Earth orbit."}, {"start": "03:36:13", "end": "03:36:19", "text": "It's a done deal. It's no question now"}, {"start": "03:36:17", "end": "03:36:22", "text": "space is a contested battlefield that"}, {"start": "03:36:19", "end": "03:36:25", "text": "the United States has weapons in space."}, {"start": "03:36:22", "end": "03:36:29", "text": "You have Trump talking about openly"}, {"start": "03:36:25", "end": "03:36:31", "text": "talking about an American starfleet"}, {"start": "03:36:29", "end": "03:36:34", "text": "where they're going to use nuclear"}, {"start": "03:36:31", "end": "03:36:35", "text": "propulsion systems for thousands of"}, {"start": "03:36:34", "end": "03:36:38", "text": "spacecraft."}, {"start": "03:36:35", "end": "03:36:38", "text": ">> Who is the enemy?"}, {"start": "03:36:40", "end": "03:36:42", "text": ">> They're leaving that vague."}, {"start": "03:36:42", "end": "03:36:44", "text": ">> They are."}, {"start": "03:36:42", "end": "03:36:46", "text": ">> They're leaving that vague. And of"}, {"start": "03:36:44", "end": "03:36:47", "text": "course,"}, {"start": "03:36:46", "end": "03:36:49", "text": ">> the reptilian speculating"}, {"start": "03:36:47", "end": "03:36:51", "text": ">> the P-52s I hear"}, {"start": "03:36:49", "end": "03:36:53", "text": ">> the"}, {"start": "03:36:51", "end": "03:36:56", "text": "Yeah. They're le they're leaving that"}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:57", "text": "open. But a lot of a lot of rumors are"}, {"start": "03:36:56", "end": "03:37:00", "text": "out there. But that's that's"}, {"start": "03:36:57", "end": "03:37:04", "text": "incontestable that Trump has said that"}, {"start": "03:37:00", "end": "03:37:06", "text": "an American space fleet is being built"}, {"start": "03:37:04", "end": "03:37:09", "text": "with thousands of starships. And he said"}, {"start": "03:37:06", "end": "03:37:12", "text": "2028, this is Trump's on the record."}, {"start": "03:37:09", "end": "03:37:16", "text": "2028 the first nuclearpowered"}, {"start": "03:37:12", "end": "03:37:18", "text": "spacecraft under space for space force"}, {"start": "03:37:16", "end": "03:37:19", "text": "will be going out and there'll be"}, {"start": "03:37:18", "end": "03:37:22", "text": "thousands of these. Does the next"}, {"start": "03:37:19", "end": "03:37:25", "text": "president continue this work?"}, {"start": "03:37:22", "end": "03:37:27", "text": ">> It's inevitable because the dynamic has"}, {"start": "03:37:25", "end": "03:37:30", "text": "been shed has been set up. It's no"}, {"start": "03:37:27", "end": "03:37:31", "text": "longer presidential initiative. It is"}, {"start": "03:37:30", "end": "03:37:34", "text": "now military."}, {"start": "03:37:31", "end": "03:37:35", "text": ">> Only Trump could have gotten around the"}, {"start": "03:37:34", "end": "03:37:39", "text": "families. Only Trump could have done"}, {"start": "03:37:35", "end": "03:37:42", "text": "that for be being a wealthy outsider. if"}, {"start": "03:37:39", "end": "03:37:44", "text": "it was a a Washington"}, {"start": "03:37:42", "end": "03:37:47", "text": "just a Washington swamp rat."}, {"start": "03:37:44", "end": "03:37:49", "text": ">> He was fought against tooth and nail as"}, {"start": "03:37:47", "end": "03:37:50", "text": "we know that they tried to stop him at"}, {"start": "03:37:49", "end": "03:37:52", "text": "every step. But now,"}, {"start": "03:37:50", "end": "03:37:56", "text": ">> but if you get if you get a Marco Rubio"}, {"start": "03:37:52", "end": "03:37:58", "text": "or or a Democrat mainstream,"}, {"start": "03:37:56", "end": "03:38:01", "text": "I feel like they're very easily"}, {"start": "03:37:58", "end": "03:38:01", "text": "controlled."}, {"start": "03:38:03", "end": "03:38:07", "text": ">> They are easily controlled. But what's"}, {"start": "03:38:05", "end": "03:38:10", "text": "shifted is that now you have the"}, {"start": "03:38:07", "end": "03:38:12", "text": "military-industrial complex on side."}, {"start": "03:38:10", "end": "03:38:14", "text": ">> On the one hand, the families were like"}, {"start": "03:38:12", "end": "03:38:16", "text": "against this trying to stop it. But what"}, {"start": "03:38:14", "end": "03:38:19", "text": "Trump's genius has done is that he's got"}, {"start": "03:38:16", "end": "03:38:22", "text": "the military-industrial complex on side."}, {"start": "03:38:19", "end": "03:38:25", "text": ">> Now is is and he's got"}, {"start": "03:38:22", "end": "03:38:27", "text": ">> companies like SpaceX and Alon Musk."}, {"start": "03:38:25", "end": "03:38:30", "text": "Musk is building gigafactories."}, {"start": "03:38:27", "end": "03:38:34", "text": ">> He's and he's on the record. is saying"}, {"start": "03:38:30", "end": "03:38:37", "text": "they're going to build thousands of"}, {"start": "03:38:34", "end": "03:38:38", "text": "starships, thousands of starships every"}, {"start": "03:38:37", "end": "03:38:40", "text": "year that they build. They're going to"}, {"start": "03:38:38", "end": "03:38:43", "text": "build a thousand starships and that this"}, {"start": "03:38:40", "end": "03:38:47", "text": "is this is what's on the way. And and"}, {"start": "03:38:43", "end": "03:38:51", "text": "that Musk was just nominated to be the"}, {"start": "03:38:47", "end": "03:38:52", "text": "head of Project Meridian, which is the"}, {"start": "03:38:51", "end": "03:38:54", "text": "future"}, {"start": "03:38:52", "end": "03:38:58", "text": "technological innovation in war"}, {"start": "03:38:54", "end": "03:39:01", "text": "fighting. And this is where space comes"}, {"start": "03:38:58", "end": "03:39:02", "text": "in. So this is inevitable. We are"}, {"start": "03:39:01", "end": "03:39:04", "text": "becoming"}, {"start": "03:39:02", "end": "03:39:06", "text": ">> he's an interplanetary civilization."}, {"start": "03:39:04", "end": "03:39:07", "text": ">> We're going to have a trillionaire on"}, {"start": "03:39:06", "end": "03:39:08", "text": "our team."}, {"start": "03:39:07", "end": "03:39:12", "text": ">> Yeah. That's helpful."}, {"start": "03:39:08", "end": "03:39:16", "text": ">> He's Yeah, he's on our side. And and and"}, {"start": "03:39:12", "end": "03:39:20", "text": "this is where you have all the major"}, {"start": "03:39:16", "end": "03:39:23", "text": "corporations that are going to be"}, {"start": "03:39:20", "end": "03:39:26", "text": "building these new generation craft and"}, {"start": "03:39:23", "end": "03:39:29", "text": "they're going to be initially the bridge"}, {"start": "03:39:26", "end": "03:39:32", "text": "to this more advanced stuff that"}, {"start": "03:39:29", "end": "03:39:34", "text": "Lockheed and North Gman and Boeing have"}, {"start": "03:39:32", "end": "03:39:36", "text": "built for decades secretly for the"}, {"start": "03:39:34", "end": "03:39:38", "text": "families and the intelligence community."}, {"start": "03:39:36", "end": "03:39:41", "text": "But at some point you're going to have"}, {"start": "03:39:38", "end": "03:39:43", "text": "all of that all of that being bridged in"}, {"start": "03:39:41", "end": "03:39:45", "text": "this future"}, {"start": "03:39:43", "end": "03:39:47", "text": "societ in this future interplanetary"}, {"start": "03:39:45", "end": "03:39:50", "text": "civilization. But you know the very fact"}, {"start": "03:39:47", "end": "03:39:53", "text": "that Trump used the words a massive"}, {"start": "03:39:50", "end": "03:39:56", "text": "American starfleet."}, {"start": "03:39:53", "end": "03:39:57", "text": ">> It's like this is coming. It can't be"}, {"start": "03:39:56", "end": "03:40:01", "text": "stopped."}, {"start": "03:39:57", "end": "03:40:04", "text": ">> Even if Democrats come in, they can't"}, {"start": "03:40:01", "end": "03:40:05", "text": "oppose the military-industrial complex."}, {"start": "03:40:04", "end": "03:40:09", "text": ">> They cannot. I mean, how can how can"}, {"start": "03:40:05", "end": "03:40:11", "text": "Democrats come in and say, \"Well, Trump"}, {"start": "03:40:09", "end": "03:40:14", "text": "brought about a rapid increase in the"}, {"start": "03:40:11", "end": "03:40:16", "text": "Pentagon budget to 1.5 trillion for the"}, {"start": "03:40:14", "end": "03:40:17", "text": "2027"}, {"start": "03:40:16", "end": "03:40:19", "text": "DA.\" Democrats love this."}, {"start": "03:40:17", "end": "03:40:21", "text": ">> We want to We want to reverse that cuz"}, {"start": "03:40:19", "end": "03:40:22", "text": "that's unjust."}, {"start": "03:40:21", "end": "03:40:23", "text": ">> Knock it out."}, {"start": "03:40:22", "end": "03:40:25", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "03:40:23", "end": "03:40:27", "text": ">> No, we won't we'll never get an audit"}, {"start": "03:40:25", "end": "03:40:30", "text": "out of them."}, {"start": "03:40:27", "end": "03:40:31", "text": ">> Exactly. So So that's inevitable. And"}, {"start": "03:40:30", "end": "03:40:33", "text": "and I"}, {"start": "03:40:31", "end": "03:40:35", "text": ">> it's reassuring to hear because I always"}, {"start": "03:40:33", "end": "03:40:37", "text": "felt that the that the military"}, {"start": "03:40:35", "end": "03:40:39", "text": "contractors were the enemy."}, {"start": "03:40:37", "end": "03:40:42", "text": "But if if you get them on your side,"}, {"start": "03:40:39", "end": "03:40:44", "text": "then it is inevitable."}, {"start": "03:40:42", "end": "03:40:46", "text": ">> Exactly. The bottom line, you you know,"}, {"start": "03:40:44", "end": "03:40:50", "text": "Trump being a businessman, he who knew"}, {"start": "03:40:46", "end": "03:40:52", "text": "how he knew how to do it. He knew how to"}, {"start": "03:40:50", "end": "03:40:55", "text": "how do you get the military-industrial"}, {"start": "03:40:52", "end": "03:40:58", "text": "complex on side? Well, you set up the"}, {"start": "03:40:55", "end": "03:41:00", "text": "financial incentive for them to do so."}, {"start": "03:40:58", "end": "03:41:02", "text": "You get the military on board because"}, {"start": "03:41:00", "end": "03:41:03", "text": "they want the best war fighting toys for"}, {"start": "03:41:02", "end": "03:41:03", "text": "space."}, {"start": "03:41:03", "end": "03:41:04", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "03:41:03", "end": "03:41:04", "text": ">> Who wouldn't?"}, {"start": "03:41:04", "end": "03:41:08", "text": ">> Who wouldn't?"}, {"start": "03:41:04", "end": "03:41:11", "text": ">> Exactly. So you get all of them on side."}, {"start": "03:41:08", "end": "03:41:12", "text": ">> Then disclosure becomes inevitable"}, {"start": "03:41:11", "end": "03:41:14", "text": "because"}, {"start": "03:41:12", "end": "03:41:16", "text": ">> well then it's normalized."}, {"start": "03:41:14", "end": "03:41:17", "text": ">> And and the thing is you're not going to"}, {"start": "03:41:16", "end": "03:41:18", "text": "shock. There's not going to be the"}, {"start": "03:41:17", "end": "03:41:18", "text": "onological shock."}, {"start": "03:41:18", "end": "03:41:20", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "03:41:18", "end": "03:41:22", "text": ">> Oh well, there's these reptilians out"}, {"start": "03:41:20", "end": "03:41:25", "text": "there that have been abducting humans or"}, {"start": "03:41:22", "end": "03:41:27", "text": "grays abducting humans and using them"}, {"start": "03:41:25", "end": "03:41:31", "text": "for all sorts of nefarious things. Well,"}, {"start": "03:41:27", "end": "03:41:33", "text": "all of a sudden we got Space Force and"}, {"start": "03:41:31", "end": "03:41:36", "text": "Space Command and an American Starfleet"}, {"start": "03:41:33", "end": "03:41:39", "text": "out there with thousands of really"}, {"start": "03:41:36", "end": "03:41:41", "text": "incredibly wellarmed"}, {"start": "03:41:39", "end": "03:41:43", "text": "spacecraft that are armed to the teeth"}, {"start": "03:41:41", "end": "03:41:45", "text": "to fight battles. It's like, well,"}, {"start": "03:41:43", "end": "03:41:47", "text": "that's pretty reassuring to know that,"}, {"start": "03:41:45", "end": "03:41:49", "text": "right? Yeah. Tell us about the"}, {"start": "03:41:47", "end": "03:41:49", "text": "extraterrestrials. I'm not so scared"}, {"start": "03:41:49", "end": "03:41:51", "text": "now."}, {"start": "03:41:49", "end": "03:41:53", "text": ">> It's true. It's a way to get it done. Is"}, {"start": "03:41:51", "end": "03:41:55", "text": "why do we need space force? Well,"}, {"start": "03:41:53", "end": "03:41:57", "text": "because these are real. The lizard"}, {"start": "03:41:55", "end": "03:41:58", "text": "people are real. Yeah, they're real."}, {"start": "03:41:57", "end": "03:42:01", "text": "Here's the budget. Let's go."}, {"start": "03:41:58", "end": "03:42:01", "text": ">> Exactly. Exactly."}, {"start": "03:42:01", "end": "03:42:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "03:42:01", "end": "03:42:08", "text": ">> and and that also explains why after you"}, {"start": "03:42:05", "end": "03:42:12", "text": "had Space Force"}, {"start": "03:42:08", "end": "03:42:16", "text": "established by Trump, why Netflix came"}, {"start": "03:42:12", "end": "03:42:18", "text": "up with this ridiculous series called uh"}, {"start": "03:42:16", "end": "03:42:20", "text": "Space Force. If you remember that, that"}, {"start": "03:42:18", "end": "03:42:21", "text": "was kind of like just made it out to be"}, {"start": "03:42:20", "end": "03:42:23", "text": "this big joke"}, {"start": "03:42:21", "end": "03:42:24", "text": ">> because that's what the families wanted"}, {"start": "03:42:23", "end": "03:42:26", "text": "to do. They wanted to make it out to be"}, {"start": "03:42:24", "end": "03:42:30", "text": "a big joke. Oh yeah, Space Force is a"}, {"start": "03:42:26", "end": "03:42:31", "text": "big joke. Haha, these guys are inept."}, {"start": "03:42:30", "end": "03:42:35", "text": "You know, it's we shouldn't take it"}, {"start": "03:42:31", "end": "03:42:37", "text": "seriously. And and of course, under the"}, {"start": "03:42:35", "end": "03:42:38", "text": "the Biden administration, there really"}, {"start": "03:42:37", "end": "03:42:41", "text": "wasn't all that much that was happening"}, {"start": "03:42:38", "end": "03:42:43", "text": "to help Space Force move forward. But"}, {"start": "03:42:41", "end": "03:42:45", "text": "now under this second Trump"}, {"start": "03:42:43", "end": "03:42:49", "text": "administration, it's being turbochared."}, {"start": "03:42:45", "end": "03:42:52", "text": "We got space weapons are being declared."}, {"start": "03:42:49", "end": "03:42:55", "text": "SIS Luna space is being is going to be"}, {"start": "03:42:52", "end": "03:42:58", "text": "defended as future war fighting and"}, {"start": "03:42:55", "end": "03:43:01", "text": "American starfleet. Musk being appointed"}, {"start": "03:42:58", "end": "03:43:04", "text": "to be the technologies are for future"}, {"start": "03:43:01", "end": "03:43:07", "text": "war fighting. It's like okay this is"}, {"start": "03:43:04", "end": "03:43:08", "text": "this is where the big bucks are. This is"}, {"start": "03:43:07", "end": "03:43:11", "text": "where the high-tech is being developed."}, {"start": "03:43:08", "end": "03:43:14", "text": "And then and now they're developing this"}, {"start": "03:43:11", "end": "03:43:16", "text": "uh super intelligence. You what's all"}, {"start": "03:43:14", "end": "03:43:19", "text": "that about? Well, I think they're"}, {"start": "03:43:16", "end": "03:43:24", "text": "developing the means to be able to"}, {"start": "03:43:19", "end": "03:43:28", "text": "control renegade AI on on planet Earth."}, {"start": "03:43:24", "end": "03:43:30", "text": ">> You absolutely need to prepare for that."}, {"start": "03:43:28", "end": "03:43:31", "text": "That is not a joke. You need to prepare"}, {"start": "03:43:30", "end": "03:43:33", "text": "for that."}, {"start": "03:43:31", "end": "03:43:33", "text": "I want to shift gears if that's okay."}, {"start": "03:43:33", "end": "03:43:36", "text": "Sure."}, {"start": "03:43:33", "end": "03:43:38", "text": ">> We can come back if you want to."}, {"start": "03:43:36", "end": "03:43:42", "text": ">> 2003"}, {"start": "03:43:38", "end": "03:43:44", "text": "um United States once again is bombing"}, {"start": "03:43:42", "end": "03:43:48", "text": "countries and invading countries. Over"}, {"start": "03:43:44", "end": "03:43:50", "text": "the course of three days,"}, {"start": "03:43:48", "end": "03:43:53", "text": "the museum"}, {"start": "03:43:50", "end": "03:43:55", "text": "uh the main museum in Iraq is looted and"}, {"start": "03:43:53", "end": "03:43:57", "text": "something like 10,000 artifacts are"}, {"start": "03:43:55", "end": "03:43:59", "text": "missing including cylinder seals going"}, {"start": "03:43:57", "end": "03:44:02", "text": "back to ancient Sumer. And it has been"}, {"start": "03:43:59", "end": "03:44:05", "text": "alleged, I have alleged it, that there"}, {"start": "03:44:02", "end": "03:44:08", "text": "is ancient technology on those scrolls"}, {"start": "03:44:05", "end": "03:44:11", "text": "and in those artifacts and that that"}, {"start": "03:44:08", "end": "03:44:13", "text": "wasn't a random looting, that the war"}, {"start": "03:44:11", "end": "03:44:15", "text": "was a cover to go in there and get that"}, {"start": "03:44:13", "end": "03:44:18", "text": "stuff. And we know that the first Gulf"}, {"start": "03:44:15", "end": "03:44:20", "text": "War was based on a lie. That's a fact."}, {"start": "03:44:18", "end": "03:44:23", "text": "That's a fact, Jack. I think the second"}, {"start": "03:44:20", "end": "03:44:25", "text": "one was as well. Do you think there's"}, {"start": "03:44:23", "end": "03:44:28", "text": "ancient tech out there?"}, {"start": "03:44:25", "end": "03:44:30", "text": ">> Totally. Yeah. that very advanced"}, {"start": "03:44:28", "end": "03:44:32", "text": "technologies."}, {"start": "03:44:30", "end": "03:44:37", "text": "And"}, {"start": "03:44:32", "end": "03:44:39", "text": "when you look at the Kuneoform texts,"}, {"start": "03:44:37", "end": "03:44:44", "text": "one of the things that becomes very very"}, {"start": "03:44:39", "end": "03:44:49", "text": "clear is that the Anunnaki had two forms"}, {"start": "03:44:44", "end": "03:44:53", "text": "of propulsion that they used for travel"}, {"start": "03:44:49", "end": "03:44:55", "text": "between their home world and Earth. And"}, {"start": "03:44:53", "end": "03:44:57", "text": "it was"}, {"start": "03:44:55", "end": "03:45:00", "text": "on the one hand you had something very"}, {"start": "03:44:57", "end": "03:45:04", "text": "similar to rocket technology. So that"}, {"start": "03:45:00", "end": "03:45:07", "text": "would explain balbeck and the building"}, {"start": "03:45:04", "end": "03:45:08", "text": "massive space ports in the region."}, {"start": "03:45:07", "end": "03:45:11", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:45:08", "end": "03:45:13", "text": ">> You you have these massive space ports"}, {"start": "03:45:11", "end": "03:45:16", "text": "where rockets would land and you could"}, {"start": "03:45:13", "end": "03:45:19", "text": "ferry people, supplies, gold and so"}, {"start": "03:45:16", "end": "03:45:22", "text": "forth back and forth. And so that was"}, {"start": "03:45:19", "end": "03:45:25", "text": "one technology that was widely used by"}, {"start": "03:45:22", "end": "03:45:25", "text": "the Anunnaki."}, {"start": "03:45:25", "end": "03:45:29", "text": "The second technology were portals"}, {"start": "03:45:28", "end": "03:45:33", "text": ">> or portals."}, {"start": "03:45:29", "end": "03:45:36", "text": ">> Portals, gateways, stargates."}, {"start": "03:45:33", "end": "03:45:39", "text": "And these were used by the elite, the"}, {"start": "03:45:36", "end": "03:45:41", "text": "Anunnaki elite. So these were not"}, {"start": "03:45:39", "end": "03:45:45", "text": ">> for the rank and file Anunnaki, the"}, {"start": "03:45:41", "end": "03:45:48", "text": "Ikigi and so forth. These would only be"}, {"start": "03:45:45", "end": "03:45:51", "text": "the elite that could use these kinds of"}, {"start": "03:45:48", "end": "03:45:54", "text": "portal technologies."}, {"start": "03:45:51", "end": "03:45:56", "text": "And and I believe these led to Atlantis"}, {"start": "03:45:54", "end": "03:45:59", "text": "to"}, {"start": "03:45:56", "end": "03:46:02", "text": "uh the Yucatan Peninsula to I think"}, {"start": "03:45:59", "end": "03:46:04", "text": "probably Monoa,"}, {"start": "03:46:02", "end": "03:46:06", "text": "right? These these major civilizations,"}, {"start": "03:46:04", "end": "03:46:09", "text": "these ancient civilizations. You think"}, {"start": "03:46:06", "end": "03:46:10", "text": "there's something to that to Atlantis?"}, {"start": "03:46:09", "end": "03:46:14", "text": "There's"}, {"start": "03:46:10", "end": "03:46:17", "text": "connections between these civilizations."}, {"start": "03:46:14", "end": "03:46:21", "text": "And you know, this is where it gets"}, {"start": "03:46:17", "end": "03:46:23", "text": "really wild is that they are not ancient"}, {"start": "03:46:21", "end": "03:46:27", "text": "civilizations that are long extinct."}, {"start": "03:46:23", "end": "03:46:29", "text": "They are existing right now. Of course,"}, {"start": "03:46:27", "end": "03:46:31", "text": "they're in a completely different"}, {"start": "03:46:29", "end": "03:46:31", "text": "space-time bubble."}, {"start": "03:46:31", "end": "03:46:35", "text": ">> Us."}, {"start": "03:46:31", "end": "03:46:37", "text": ">> They are like an alternate universe."}, {"start": "03:46:35", "end": "03:46:40", "text": ">> It's kind of like that. Kind of like an"}, {"start": "03:46:37", "end": "03:46:43", "text": "alternate un universe. I mean that"}, {"start": "03:46:40", "end": "03:46:45", "text": "there's technology portals that you"}, {"start": "03:46:43", "end": "03:46:48", "text": "could step through this portal and you"}, {"start": "03:46:45", "end": "03:46:51", "text": "would walk into ancient Atlantis."}, {"start": "03:46:48", "end": "03:46:53", "text": ">> So time travel as well."}, {"start": "03:46:51", "end": "03:46:57", "text": ">> Time travel uh being able to move"}, {"start": "03:46:53", "end": "03:46:59", "text": "between different space-time bubbles"}, {"start": "03:46:57", "end": "03:47:03", "text": "because I think that's how we could"}, {"start": "03:46:59", "end": "03:47:05", "text": "regard it that time is not"}, {"start": "03:47:03", "end": "03:47:08", "text": "people talk about that that time is not"}, {"start": "03:47:05", "end": "03:47:08", "text": "linear. It's like all happening at the"}, {"start": "03:47:08", "end": "03:47:11", "text": "same time."}, {"start": "03:47:08", "end": "03:47:13", "text": ">> Yes, I I think that's true."}, {"start": "03:47:11", "end": "03:47:15", "text": ">> And and so if Atlantis is happening at"}, {"start": "03:47:13", "end": "03:47:18", "text": "the same time as us, so that means right"}, {"start": "03:47:15", "end": "03:47:20", "text": "now if you and I went through a"}, {"start": "03:47:18", "end": "03:47:23", "text": "space-time portal and we show up in"}, {"start": "03:47:20", "end": "03:47:26", "text": "Atlantis and we start saying, \"Hey, wow,"}, {"start": "03:47:23", "end": "03:47:29", "text": "this is fantastic. You know, you guys,"}, {"start": "03:47:26", "end": "03:47:31", "text": "your civilization is going to collapse"}, {"start": "03:47:29", "end": "03:47:34", "text": "in 5 years time that we're from the"}, {"start": "03:47:31", "end": "03:47:36", "text": "future. They'd have us committed. You"}, {"start": "03:47:34", "end": "03:47:40", "text": "guys are crazy."}, {"start": "03:47:36", "end": "03:47:41", "text": "I'd love to see it. Um, the portal tech"}, {"start": "03:47:40", "end": "03:47:43", "text": "is the portal tech is one of the"}, {"start": "03:47:41", "end": "03:47:46", "text": "technologies alleged to be that was"}, {"start": "03:47:43", "end": "03:47:48", "text": "looted from the museum is that's one of"}, {"start": "03:47:46", "end": "03:47:50", "text": "the technologies. I did a whole episode"}, {"start": "03:47:48", "end": "03:47:52", "text": "on the on the portal tech and"}, {"start": "03:47:50", "end": "03:47:56", "text": ">> it starts with the looting of the museum"}, {"start": "03:47:52", "end": "03:47:58", "text": ">> and there seems to be a"}, {"start": "03:47:56", "end": "03:48:01", "text": "kind of sacred geometry or very"}, {"start": "03:47:58", "end": "03:48:04", "text": "intricate"}, {"start": "03:48:01", "end": "03:48:07", "text": ">> mathematics behind how to activate and"}, {"start": "03:48:04", "end": "03:48:10", "text": "use these portals and that the canoform"}, {"start": "03:48:07", "end": "03:48:14", "text": "texts talked about that and and so"}, {"start": "03:48:10", "end": "03:48:16", "text": "that's where they really needed to get"}, {"start": "03:48:14", "end": "03:48:18", "text": "access to those canoform text. So"}, {"start": "03:48:16", "end": "03:48:20", "text": "there's one it's one thing to get your"}, {"start": "03:48:18", "end": "03:48:23", "text": "hands on the hardware like the actual"}, {"start": "03:48:20", "end": "03:48:25", "text": "portal stargate whatever it is but then"}, {"start": "03:48:23", "end": "03:48:27", "text": "knowing how to use it is is another"}, {"start": "03:48:25", "end": "03:48:31", "text": "thing. So that's where they needed the"}, {"start": "03:48:27", "end": "03:48:33", "text": "the canoform texts to understand how to"}, {"start": "03:48:31", "end": "03:48:34", "text": "utilize these technologies because it"}, {"start": "03:48:33", "end": "03:48:38", "text": "seems that"}, {"start": "03:48:34", "end": "03:48:40", "text": "it it's very intricate and it requires a"}, {"start": "03:48:38", "end": "03:48:42", "text": "very"}, {"start": "03:48:40", "end": "03:48:44", "text": "advanced understanding of mathematics"}, {"start": "03:48:42", "end": "03:48:46", "text": "sacred geometry to be to be able to do"}, {"start": "03:48:44", "end": "03:48:48", "text": "that. And so they were seeking that"}, {"start": "03:48:46", "end": "03:48:51", "text": "information at the time."}, {"start": "03:48:48", "end": "03:48:55", "text": ">> Do you think um they got one to work?"}, {"start": "03:48:51", "end": "03:48:55", "text": ">> Is that a version of the chronovvisor?"}, {"start": "03:48:56", "end": "03:49:01", "text": "Well, the chronovvisor, I mean that goes"}, {"start": "03:48:58", "end": "03:49:05", "text": "back to Anesi,"}, {"start": "03:49:01", "end": "03:49:09", "text": "father and and and what was discovered"}, {"start": "03:49:05", "end": "03:49:11", "text": "in the 1950s and60s through this"}, {"start": "03:49:09", "end": "03:49:15", "text": "technology and and you had the outer"}, {"start": "03:49:11", "end": "03:49:18", "text": "limits kind of like making that"}, {"start": "03:49:15", "end": "03:49:20", "text": "something that was accessible to the"}, {"start": "03:49:18", "end": "03:49:22", "text": "public or something that would permeate"}, {"start": "03:49:20", "end": "03:49:24", "text": "into the public consciousness."}, {"start": "03:49:22", "end": "03:49:26", "text": ">> That's true. So, so that technology,"}, {"start": "03:49:24", "end": "03:49:29", "text": "chronisor technology, being able to look"}, {"start": "03:49:26", "end": "03:49:31", "text": "at different timelines,"}, {"start": "03:49:29", "end": "03:49:34", "text": ">> he was a trained physicist, father,"}, {"start": "03:49:31", "end": "03:49:36", "text": ">> right? Yeah. Well, the Vatican has a lot"}, {"start": "03:49:34", "end": "03:49:37", "text": "of very highly trained priests who are"}, {"start": "03:49:36", "end": "03:49:38", "text": "scientists."}, {"start": "03:49:37", "end": "03:49:39", "text": ">> Oh, yes, they do."}, {"start": "03:49:38", "end": "03:49:42", "text": ">> Because they have their hands on this"}, {"start": "03:49:39", "end": "03:49:46", "text": "advanced tech and they're full partners"}, {"start": "03:49:42", "end": "03:49:48", "text": "with the US. A lot of a lot of the a lot"}, {"start": "03:49:46", "end": "03:49:51", "text": "of Vatican scientists have been working"}, {"start": "03:49:48", "end": "03:49:54", "text": "in these classified programs trying to"}, {"start": "03:49:51", "end": "03:49:55", "text": "understand understand reverse engineer"}, {"start": "03:49:54", "end": "03:50:00", "text": "these recovered technologies, portal"}, {"start": "03:49:55", "end": "03:50:04", "text": "technologies, kunea form texts as are as"}, {"start": "03:50:00", "end": "03:50:05", "text": "are the the Israelis, the MSAD and and I"}, {"start": "03:50:04", "end": "03:50:08", "text": "mean that was one of the things that I"}, {"start": "03:50:05", "end": "03:50:11", "text": "found very curious about James Jesus"}, {"start": "03:50:08", "end": "03:50:12", "text": "Angleton was that as CIA counter"}, {"start": "03:50:11", "end": "03:50:15", "text": "intelligence chief he only had"}, {"start": "03:50:12", "end": "03:50:18", "text": "responsibility for three desks, three"}, {"start": "03:50:15", "end": "03:50:19", "text": "desks, you know, one one was CI counter"}, {"start": "03:50:18", "end": "03:50:22", "text": "intelligence, the other was the Vatican"}, {"start": "03:50:19", "end": "03:50:24", "text": "and the other was"}, {"start": "03:50:22", "end": "03:50:26", "text": "Israel and the MSAD. So you have to ask"}, {"start": "03:50:24", "end": "03:50:29", "text": "yourself what is the connection? What is"}, {"start": "03:50:26", "end": "03:50:34", "text": "the parallel to all those things? And I"}, {"start": "03:50:29", "end": "03:50:38", "text": "think with Israel, it's like Israel is a"}, {"start": "03:50:34", "end": "03:50:41", "text": "very ancient land and because it's been"}, {"start": "03:50:38", "end": "03:50:44", "text": "such a hotly contested"}, {"start": "03:50:41", "end": "03:50:47", "text": "zone for thousands of years. I mean, the"}, {"start": "03:50:44", "end": "03:50:50", "text": "Crusades, what what what was all that"}, {"start": "03:50:47", "end": "03:50:53", "text": "about the Crusades? And why do the"}, {"start": "03:50:50", "end": "03:50:58", "text": "Muslims attach so much significance to"}, {"start": "03:50:53", "end": "03:51:02", "text": "Jerusalem and the it's because that has"}, {"start": "03:50:58", "end": "03:51:06", "text": "very powerful energy vortices there"}, {"start": "03:51:02", "end": "03:51:08", "text": ">> and what goes with that is very very"}, {"start": "03:51:06", "end": "03:51:12", "text": "ancient technologies."}, {"start": "03:51:08", "end": "03:51:15", "text": ">> But to have the Vatican and Mossad"}, {"start": "03:51:12", "end": "03:51:16", "text": "that confuses me because the Nazis"}, {"start": "03:51:15", "end": "03:51:19", "text": "couldn't have gotten out of there"}, {"start": "03:51:16", "end": "03:51:21", "text": "without the Vatican's help."}, {"start": "03:51:19", "end": "03:51:23", "text": "I mean the Vatican Vatican was very"}, {"start": "03:51:21", "end": "03:51:25", "text": "complicit in the Nazi rat lines and and"}, {"start": "03:51:23", "end": "03:51:27", "text": "getting the gold out. I think a lot of"}, {"start": "03:51:25", "end": "03:51:28", "text": "the gold went to the Vatican to be"}, {"start": "03:51:27", "end": "03:51:30", "text": "honest."}, {"start": "03:51:28", "end": "03:51:32", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "03:51:30", "end": "03:51:34", "text": "you don't get farther away from Nazis"}, {"start": "03:51:32", "end": "03:51:36", "text": "than Mossad is that's the whole other"}, {"start": "03:51:34", "end": "03:51:39", "text": "side of the spectrum. So what's going on"}, {"start": "03:51:36", "end": "03:51:43", "text": "there? Is the fourth Reich allowed to"}, {"start": "03:51:39", "end": "03:51:47", "text": "exist? I mean Nazi Nazi hunters went"}, {"start": "03:51:43", "end": "03:51:49", "text": ">> Well, the fourth Reich existed. it was"}, {"start": "03:51:47", "end": "03:51:52", "text": "allowed to exist. the the Vatican played"}, {"start": "03:51:49", "end": "03:51:55", "text": "a role in the rat lines and all of that"}, {"start": "03:51:52", "end": "03:51:58", "text": "and and"}, {"start": "03:51:55", "end": "03:52:00", "text": "they were collaborating with all sides"}, {"start": "03:51:58", "end": "03:52:02", "text": "to develop these technologies because"}, {"start": "03:52:00", "end": "03:52:05", "text": "from the from the Vatican perspective"}, {"start": "03:52:02", "end": "03:52:07", "text": "from the perspective of their scientists"}, {"start": "03:52:05", "end": "03:52:10", "text": "it's like these guys have access techn"}, {"start": "03:52:07", "end": "03:52:13", "text": "to technologies going back thousands of"}, {"start": "03:52:10", "end": "03:52:16", "text": "years I mean then they the Vatican"}, {"start": "03:52:13", "end": "03:52:18", "text": "library they have technologies that are"}, {"start": "03:52:16", "end": "03:52:22", "text": "very old very ancient They're trying to"}, {"start": "03:52:18", "end": "03:52:24", "text": "understand them. And so their primary"}, {"start": "03:52:22", "end": "03:52:26", "text": "goal is like, well, we want to"}, {"start": "03:52:24", "end": "03:52:28", "text": "understand these technologies. If we're"}, {"start": "03:52:26", "end": "03:52:31", "text": "going to work with"}, {"start": "03:52:28", "end": "03:52:34", "text": "forthright Nazis, sure, no problem. If"}, {"start": "03:52:31", "end": "03:52:36", "text": "we're going to work with"}, {"start": "03:52:34", "end": "03:52:36", "text": "MSAD, sure, no problem. We have no"}, {"start": "03:52:36", "end": "03:52:39", "text": "problem with that."}, {"start": "03:52:36", "end": "03:52:39", "text": ">> Just opportunism."}, {"start": "03:52:39", "end": "03:52:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:52:39", "end": "03:52:43", "text": ">> We we we want to know about these"}, {"start": "03:52:41", "end": "03:52:45", "text": "technologies. and and the US"}, {"start": "03:52:43", "end": "03:52:47", "text": "military-industrial complex is like,"}, {"start": "03:52:45", "end": "03:52:48", "text": "well, we want to know about these"}, {"start": "03:52:47", "end": "03:52:50", "text": "technologies as well. And and the"}, {"start": "03:52:48", "end": "03:52:53", "text": "Vatican, well, you you got the world's"}, {"start": "03:52:50", "end": "03:52:55", "text": "oldest and best intelligence service, so"}, {"start": "03:52:53", "end": "03:52:56", "text": "we we want to be full partners with you."}, {"start": "03:52:55", "end": "03:52:58", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "03:52:56", "end": "03:53:00", "text": ">> And the MSAD and the Mossad, it's like,"}, {"start": "03:52:58", "end": "03:53:03", "text": "well, you guys have access to this"}, {"start": "03:53:00", "end": "03:53:06", "text": "ancient stuff down there under that"}, {"start": "03:53:03", "end": "03:53:08", "text": "whole territory, Palestine, which is"}, {"start": "03:53:06", "end": "03:53:10", "text": "really very advanced, very"}, {"start": "03:53:08", "end": "03:53:12", "text": "sophisticated, and we don't understand a"}, {"start": "03:53:10", "end": "03:53:15", "text": "lot of that. So we want to work with you"}, {"start": "03:53:12", "end": "03:53:17", "text": "and g gaining access and reverse"}, {"start": "03:53:15", "end": "03:53:19", "text": "engineering all all of that. And from"}, {"start": "03:53:17", "end": "03:53:22", "text": "the perspective of the MSAB, it's like,"}, {"start": "03:53:19", "end": "03:53:24", "text": "yeah, we want to work with uh with the"}, {"start": "03:53:22", "end": "03:53:26", "text": "with the US military-industrial complex."}, {"start": "03:53:24", "end": "03:53:28", "text": "We want to watch the uh the Germans, the"}, {"start": "03:53:26", "end": "03:53:30", "text": "Fourth Reich. We we want to see what"}, {"start": "03:53:28", "end": "03:53:33", "text": "they're up to because they're our"}, {"start": "03:53:30", "end": "03:53:34", "text": "enemies. They're our mortal enemies."}, {"start": "03:53:33", "end": "03:53:37", "text": ">> And why is that? That's a very"}, {"start": "03:53:34", "end": "03:53:40", "text": "interesting question."}, {"start": "03:53:37", "end": "03:53:40", "text": ">> It is."}, {"start": "03:53:40", "end": "03:53:46", "text": "Now, do you think the fourth Reich"}, {"start": "03:53:42", "end": "03:53:50", "text": "exists? Do you think it it survived?"}, {"start": "03:53:46", "end": "03:53:52", "text": ">> I think it survived. I think it"}, {"start": "03:53:50", "end": "03:53:54", "text": "continues to operate maybe in a"}, {"start": "03:53:52", "end": "03:53:57", "text": "diminished form to what it once did"}, {"start": "03:53:54", "end": "03:54:00", "text": "because I think the creation of space"}, {"start": "03:53:57", "end": "03:54:04", "text": "force has changed the dynamic in our"}, {"start": "03:54:00", "end": "03:54:08", "text": "solar system. that as as far as I know"}, {"start": "03:54:04", "end": "03:54:09", "text": "that our solar system has"}, {"start": "03:54:08", "end": "03:54:11", "text": "many different extraterrestrial races"}, {"start": "03:54:09", "end": "03:54:14", "text": "that have been here for a long long"}, {"start": "03:54:11", "end": "03:54:19", "text": "time. They have monitoring the earth."}, {"start": "03:54:14", "end": "03:54:22", "text": "They saw our history. But now they are"}, {"start": "03:54:19", "end": "03:54:24", "text": "working with the"}, {"start": "03:54:22", "end": "03:54:28", "text": "Trump administration and what we would"}, {"start": "03:54:24", "end": "03:54:30", "text": "consider to be more enlightened factions"}, {"start": "03:54:28", "end": "03:54:33", "text": "that want to"}, {"start": "03:54:30", "end": "03:54:36", "text": "ensure that Earth evolves in a"}, {"start": "03:54:33", "end": "03:54:38", "text": "responsible way and that the US Space"}, {"start": "03:54:36", "end": "03:54:43", "text": "Force and Space Command are going to be"}, {"start": "03:54:38", "end": "03:54:45", "text": "the seed of this future"}, {"start": "03:54:43", "end": "03:54:49", "text": "planetary organization. Now, now one of"}, {"start": "03:54:45", "end": "03:54:51", "text": "the sources I work with, he says that"}, {"start": "03:54:49", "end": "03:54:54", "text": "the name of this organization has"}, {"start": "03:54:51", "end": "03:54:58", "text": "already been revealed and he calls it"}, {"start": "03:54:54", "end": "03:54:58", "text": "the United Earth Space Command."}, {"start": "03:54:58", "end": "03:55:01", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "03:54:58", "end": "03:55:05", "text": ">> that that exists that that is an amalgam"}, {"start": "03:55:01", "end": "03:55:09", "text": "of space force and the solar warden"}, {"start": "03:55:05", "end": "03:55:12", "text": "program and it is"}, {"start": "03:55:09", "end": "03:55:15", "text": "integrating the Russians, the Chinese"}, {"start": "03:55:12", "end": "03:55:18", "text": "and the Americans and five eyes and the"}, {"start": "03:55:15", "end": "03:55:21", "text": "major European nations, India and so"}, {"start": "03:55:18", "end": "03:55:23", "text": "forth. So"}, {"start": "03:55:21", "end": "03:55:25", "text": "the extraterrestrial civilizations are"}, {"start": "03:55:23", "end": "03:55:26", "text": "looking at all of this and and it's"}, {"start": "03:55:25", "end": "03:55:30", "text": "substantiated by what we're seeing"}, {"start": "03:55:26", "end": "03:55:32", "text": "because there's no real push back to"}, {"start": "03:55:30", "end": "03:55:34", "text": "what space force and what the Trump"}, {"start": "03:55:32", "end": "03:55:37", "text": "administration is announcing that no"}, {"start": "03:55:34", "end": "03:55:38", "text": ">> there's an American space force sorry"}, {"start": "03:55:37", "end": "03:55:42", "text": "there's an American space fleet that's"}, {"start": "03:55:38", "end": "03:55:45", "text": "being developed that the earth"}, {"start": "03:55:42", "end": "03:55:46", "text": "that space force has weapons platforms"}, {"start": "03:55:45", "end": "03:55:48", "text": ">> totally in orbit"}, {"start": "03:55:46", "end": "03:55:51", "text": ">> there's no big push back. Wh Why isn't"}, {"start": "03:55:48", "end": "03:55:53", "text": "the United Nations Security Council"}, {"start": "03:55:51", "end": "03:55:56", "text": "having all these nations come forward"}, {"start": "03:55:53", "end": "03:55:59", "text": "saying this is this isn't this is an"}, {"start": "03:55:56", "end": "03:56:01", "text": "abomination? This is not consistent with"}, {"start": "03:55:59", "end": "03:56:04", "text": "the Outer Space Treaty. We've all signed"}, {"start": "03:56:01", "end": "03:56:06", "text": "the Outer Space Treaty. No one's putting"}, {"start": "03:56:04", "end": "03:56:10", "text": "up a fuss. Why?"}, {"start": "03:56:06", "end": "03:56:12", "text": "Because there are agreements that the"}, {"start": "03:56:10", "end": "03:56:15", "text": "United States"}, {"start": "03:56:12", "end": "03:56:17", "text": "is giving"}, {"start": "03:56:15", "end": "03:56:20", "text": "a lot of nations that have signed on to"}, {"start": "03:56:17", "end": "03:56:23", "text": "the Artemis Accord"}, {"start": "03:56:20", "end": "03:56:24", "text": "exposure to these future technologies"}, {"start": "03:56:23", "end": "03:56:27", "text": "and and that is happening at Green"}, {"start": "03:56:24", "end": "03:56:27", "text": "Mountain, Alabama. And I've talked about"}, {"start": "03:56:27", "end": "03:56:28", "text": "that"}, {"start": "03:56:27", "end": "03:56:32", "text": ">> you have"}, {"start": "03:56:28", "end": "03:56:36", "text": ">> with JP. He says that he was taken there"}, {"start": "03:56:32", "end": "03:56:40", "text": "twice and that he saw international"}, {"start": "03:56:36", "end": "03:56:42", "text": "pilots from 30 nations or more being"}, {"start": "03:56:40", "end": "03:56:45", "text": "trained by these Nordicl looking"}, {"start": "03:56:42", "end": "03:56:47", "text": "extraterrestrials to fly these hybrid"}, {"start": "03:56:45", "end": "03:56:49", "text": "spacecraft. So there's the carrot"}, {"start": "03:56:47", "end": "03:56:51", "text": "because you know that's one of the"}, {"start": "03:56:49", "end": "03:56:53", "text": "things I look at in terms of as a"}, {"start": "03:56:51", "end": "03:56:56", "text": "political scientist. It's like, well,"}, {"start": "03:56:53", "end": "03:56:58", "text": "why in the world are the nations, the"}, {"start": "03:56:56", "end": "03:57:00", "text": "major space fairing nations signing on"}, {"start": "03:56:58", "end": "03:57:02", "text": "to the Artemis Accords, which are"}, {"start": "03:57:00", "end": "03:57:05", "text": "bilateral agreements making the US the"}, {"start": "03:57:02", "end": "03:57:07", "text": "top dog in terms of the future of space?"}, {"start": "03:57:05", "end": "03:57:10", "text": "Why are they doing that? What's the big"}, {"start": "03:57:07", "end": "03:57:11", "text": "carrot here? Why aren't they saying this"}, {"start": "03:57:10", "end": "03:57:14", "text": "has to be done through the United"}, {"start": "03:57:11", "end": "03:57:16", "text": "Nations as a multilateral agreement like"}, {"start": "03:57:14", "end": "03:57:17", "text": "we did with the outer space treaty and"}, {"start": "03:57:16", "end": "03:57:19", "text": "with the moon treaty and so forth?"}, {"start": "03:57:17", "end": "03:57:20", "text": ">> That would never work."}, {"start": "03:57:19", "end": "03:57:20", "text": ">> It wouldn't work."}, {"start": "03:57:20", "end": "03:57:23", "text": ">> It wouldn't work."}, {"start": "03:57:20", "end": "03:57:25", "text": ">> Wouldn't work. And and it's because the"}, {"start": "03:57:23", "end": "03:57:25", "text": "US has a big carrot,"}, {"start": "03:57:25", "end": "03:57:28", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:57:25", "end": "03:57:31", "text": ">> And they're offering"}, {"start": "03:57:28", "end": "03:57:32", "text": "any nation that signs on to the Artemis"}, {"start": "03:57:31", "end": "03:57:35", "text": "Accords"}, {"start": "03:57:32", "end": "03:57:36", "text": "exposure to this program."}, {"start": "03:57:35", "end": "03:57:39", "text": ">> But there's always another side to the"}, {"start": "03:57:36", "end": "03:57:42", "text": "carrot"}, {"start": "03:57:39", "end": "03:57:42", "text": "stick."}, {"start": "03:57:42", "end": "03:57:47", "text": ">> The countries like Iran are being given"}, {"start": "03:57:45", "end": "03:57:48", "text": "the stick. Venezuela being given the"}, {"start": "03:57:47", "end": "03:57:50", "text": "stick."}, {"start": "03:57:48", "end": "03:57:52", "text": ">> That's what happens. That's what"}, {"start": "03:57:50", "end": "03:57:56", "text": "happens."}, {"start": "03:57:52", "end": "03:57:58", "text": "And this takes us to"}, {"start": "03:57:56", "end": "03:58:02", "text": "this inevitable"}, {"start": "03:57:58", "end": "03:58:05", "text": "development of our planet becoming an"}, {"start": "03:58:02", "end": "03:58:08", "text": "interplanetary civilization"}, {"start": "03:58:05", "end": "03:58:11", "text": "where the United States Space Force"}, {"start": "03:58:08", "end": "03:58:15", "text": "Space Command and this new entity,"}, {"start": "03:58:11", "end": "03:58:18", "text": "United Earth Space Command,"}, {"start": "03:58:15", "end": "03:58:20", "text": "is at the center."}, {"start": "03:58:18", "end": "03:58:21", "text": "Now, the Galactics are looking at all of"}, {"start": "03:58:20", "end": "03:58:24", "text": "this and they're saying, \"Okay, the"}, {"start": "03:58:21", "end": "03:58:26", "text": "humans are getting their house in order."}, {"start": "03:58:24", "end": "03:58:30", "text": ">> So, we no longer have to deal with these"}, {"start": "03:58:26", "end": "03:58:31", "text": "renegade dark fleet German forthright,"}, {"start": "03:58:30", "end": "03:58:32", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:58:31", "end": "03:58:33", "text": ">> Racists,"}, {"start": "03:58:32", "end": "03:58:35", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:58:33", "end": "03:58:37", "text": ">> Supre supremacists that work want to"}, {"start": "03:58:35", "end": "03:58:39", "text": "work with the Draco reptilians in their,"}, {"start": "03:58:37", "end": "03:58:42", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "03:58:39", "end": "03:58:43", "text": ">> the galaxy for the Draco Empire.\""}, {"start": "03:58:42", "end": "03:58:45", "text": ">> And it's like, we no longer need to work"}, {"start": "03:58:43", "end": "03:58:47", "text": "with them. So, this so what's"}, {"start": "03:58:45", "end": "03:58:48", "text": ">> can't let the lizard people take over."}, {"start": "03:58:47", "end": "03:58:51", "text": "We can't allow it."}, {"start": "03:58:48", "end": "03:58:54", "text": ">> Exactly. So the lizard people,"}, {"start": "03:58:51", "end": "03:58:59", "text": "they're not being allowed"}, {"start": "03:58:54", "end": "03:59:00", "text": "to take over and and so now the"}, {"start": "03:58:59", "end": "03:59:04", "text": "influence of the dark feed is being"}, {"start": "03:59:00", "end": "03:59:07", "text": "rolled back big time in our solar system"}, {"start": "03:59:04", "end": "03:59:09", "text": "and beyond. So for the moment it'll be"}, {"start": "03:59:07", "end": "03:59:12", "text": "we humanity is going to become an"}, {"start": "03:59:09", "end": "03:59:15", "text": "interplanetary civilization. I don't"}, {"start": "03:59:12", "end": "03:59:19", "text": "know how long that'll last for a decade,"}, {"start": "03:59:15", "end": "03:59:21", "text": "two decades. But at some point, this"}, {"start": "03:59:19", "end": "03:59:24", "text": "advanced technology, the super luminal"}, {"start": "03:59:21", "end": "03:59:27", "text": "technology that's being used"}, {"start": "03:59:24", "end": "03:59:30", "text": "by solar warden will be revealed and"}, {"start": "03:59:27", "end": "03:59:32", "text": "then we will quickly transition into an"}, {"start": "03:59:30", "end": "03:59:32", "text": "interstellar civilization."}, {"start": "03:59:32", "end": "03:59:35", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:59:32", "end": "03:59:37", "text": ">> So by the 2040s and beyond,"}, {"start": "03:59:35", "end": "03:59:38", "text": ">> it's very likely that"}, {"start": "03:59:37", "end": "03:59:40", "text": ">> that fast,"}, {"start": "03:59:38", "end": "03:59:44", "text": ">> it's going to happen really quick."}, {"start": "03:59:40", "end": "03:59:48", "text": "First, it's going to be I would say in"}, {"start": "03:59:44", "end": "03:59:50", "text": "the next 10 to 15 years, we are going to"}, {"start": "03:59:48", "end": "03:59:52", "text": "shift into an interplanetary"}, {"start": "03:59:50", "end": "03:59:55", "text": "civilization with all the advanced"}, {"start": "03:59:52", "end": "04:00:00", "text": "technology that makes that possible"}, {"start": "03:59:55", "end": "04:00:01", "text": "being revealed and the energy"}, {"start": "04:00:00", "end": "04:00:05", "text": "technologies, the propulsion"}, {"start": "04:00:01", "end": "04:00:08", "text": "technologies will be slowly upgraded to"}, {"start": "04:00:05", "end": "04:00:11", "text": "make that possible. And then at some"}, {"start": "04:00:08", "end": "04:00:15", "text": "point we're going to have the big reveal"}, {"start": "04:00:11", "end": "04:00:16", "text": "that yeah, extraterrestrials are real."}, {"start": "04:00:15", "end": "04:00:19", "text": "And then we're going to have the"}, {"start": "04:00:16", "end": "04:00:22", "text": "transition into interstellar"}, {"start": "04:00:19", "end": "04:00:25", "text": "civilization. And that's when we things"}, {"start": "04:00:22", "end": "04:00:30", "text": "are going to move forward really really"}, {"start": "04:00:25", "end": "04:00:32", "text": "quickly. And yeah, we we will become an"}, {"start": "04:00:30", "end": "04:00:38", "text": "interstellar civilization, which will be"}, {"start": "04:00:32", "end": "04:00:42", "text": "incredible because that'll mean that"}, {"start": "04:00:38", "end": "04:00:45", "text": "in 10, 15 years time, people will no"}, {"start": "04:00:42", "end": "04:00:48", "text": "longer just be limited to like getting"}, {"start": "04:00:45", "end": "04:00:51", "text": "on a starship or a blue origin craft for"}, {"start": "04:00:48", "end": "04:00:55", "text": "a tour of the moon and Mars, but you can"}, {"start": "04:00:51", "end": "04:00:58", "text": "go for a tour of Alpha Centuri. Yes,"}, {"start": "04:00:55", "end": "04:01:02", "text": "he said Nordics"}, {"start": "04:00:58", "end": "04:01:05", "text": "that is a big deal. That is opening a"}, {"start": "04:01:02", "end": "04:01:06", "text": "big door."}, {"start": "04:01:05", "end": "04:01:08", "text": "That is a whole that is not crash"}, {"start": "04:01:06", "end": "04:01:10", "text": "retrieval. That is they are out there"}, {"start": "04:01:08", "end": "04:01:13", "text": "and they're here."}, {"start": "04:01:10", "end": "04:01:16", "text": ">> And he was"}, {"start": "04:01:13", "end": "04:01:16", "text": "I think he was given the approval for"}, {"start": "04:01:16", "end": "04:01:17", "text": "that."}, {"start": "04:01:16", "end": "04:01:20", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "04:01:17", "end": "04:01:23", "text": ">> And and Joe Rogan was probably given the"}, {"start": "04:01:20", "end": "04:01:24", "text": "green light to reveal this. I think it's"}, {"start": "04:01:23", "end": "04:01:28", "text": "coordinated. I don't think it's"}, {"start": "04:01:24", "end": "04:01:30", "text": "accidental that Joe Rogan is the one to"}, {"start": "04:01:28", "end": "04:01:32", "text": "like re have that information come out."}, {"start": "04:01:30", "end": "04:01:35", "text": ">> It's a It's the biggest platform on the"}, {"start": "04:01:32", "end": "04:01:37", "text": "planet and it's a friendly room. You"}, {"start": "04:01:35", "end": "04:01:38", "text": "don't want to Everybody likes Ross"}, {"start": "04:01:37", "end": "04:01:40", "text": "Coldart, but you don't want to do it on"}, {"start": "04:01:38", "end": "04:01:42", "text": "that show. You want to do it on Joe's"}, {"start": "04:01:40", "end": "04:01:45", "text": "show."}, {"start": "04:01:42", "end": "04:01:48", "text": "You know, you want a friendly room."}, {"start": "04:01:45", "end": "04:01:52", "text": "So now that's made it something that"}, {"start": "04:01:48", "end": "04:01:55", "text": "opens people's imagination to to these"}, {"start": "04:01:52", "end": "04:01:59", "text": ">> bigger disclosures that that are coming"}, {"start": "04:01:55", "end": "04:02:02", "text": ">> and yeah I think we are being prepared"}, {"start": "04:01:59", "end": "04:02:04", "text": "for the revelation that there are"}, {"start": "04:02:02", "end": "04:02:06", "text": "multiple extraterrestrials out there and"}, {"start": "04:02:04", "end": "04:02:09", "text": "some are our friends and that we're"}, {"start": "04:02:06", "end": "04:02:12", "text": "working with them and and they're"}, {"start": "04:02:09", "end": "04:02:14", "text": "helping us develop interplanetary and"}, {"start": "04:02:12", "end": "04:02:17", "text": "interstellar"}, {"start": "04:02:14", "end": "04:02:20", "text": "spacecraft and communication systems."}, {"start": "04:02:17", "end": "04:02:24", "text": ">> Our conversation is going to get"}, {"start": "04:02:20", "end": "04:02:26", "text": "destroyed by mainstream coverage,"}, {"start": "04:02:24", "end": "04:02:28", "text": "skeptics and so forth. And what"}, {"start": "04:02:26", "end": "04:02:32", "text": "frustrates me about skeptics, especially"}, {"start": "04:02:28", "end": "04:02:34", "text": "ones that are professional skeptics,"}, {"start": "04:02:32", "end": "04:02:37", "text": "I I'm someone who's open-minded to"}, {"start": "04:02:34", "end": "04:02:39", "text": "conspiracies, and I'm wrong most of the"}, {"start": "04:02:37", "end": "04:02:41", "text": "time, but not all the time. The"}, {"start": "04:02:39", "end": "04:02:43", "text": "skeptics,"}, {"start": "04:02:41", "end": "04:02:45", "text": "they're they can never be right."}, {"start": "04:02:43", "end": "04:02:48", "text": "Because"}, {"start": "04:02:45", "end": "04:02:51", "text": "as conspiracies get proven true, the"}, {"start": "04:02:48", "end": "04:02:54", "text": "skeptics get embarrassed."}, {"start": "04:02:51", "end": "04:02:56", "text": "So if you talk about Nordics, you've"}, {"start": "04:02:54", "end": "04:02:58", "text": "been made fun of for talking about these"}, {"start": "04:02:56", "end": "04:03:00", "text": "species over you. You you've done been"}, {"start": "04:02:58", "end": "04:03:02", "text": "doing this 25 years. David Grush said"}, {"start": "04:03:00", "end": "04:03:05", "text": "it."}, {"start": "04:03:02", "end": "04:03:06", "text": "That's a whole different part of history"}, {"start": "04:03:05", "end": "04:03:10", "text": "now,"}, {"start": "04:03:06", "end": "04:03:11", "text": ">> right? And not only"}, {"start": "04:03:10", "end": "04:03:13", "text": ">> imagination"}, {"start": "04:03:11", "end": "04:03:16", "text": "like you said"}, {"start": "04:03:13", "end": "04:03:19", "text": ">> opens the imagination and I think it"}, {"start": "04:03:16", "end": "04:03:24", "text": "also opens up this whole policy"}, {"start": "04:03:19", "end": "04:03:28", "text": "dimension about well this means that not"}, {"start": "04:03:24", "end": "04:03:31", "text": "only that Nordics exist but that there"}, {"start": "04:03:28", "end": "04:03:34", "text": "have been these agreements that have"}, {"start": "04:03:31", "end": "04:03:37", "text": "been reached where they are helping us"}, {"start": "04:03:34", "end": "04:03:42", "text": "develop these hybrid technologies. ies"}, {"start": "04:03:37", "end": "04:03:46", "text": "for sharing amongst the rest of humanity"}, {"start": "04:03:42", "end": "04:03:51", "text": "and that they have approved"}, {"start": "04:03:46", "end": "04:03:54", "text": "their people like JP to be able to be"}, {"start": "04:03:51", "end": "04:03:56", "text": "exposed to these technologies to these"}, {"start": "04:03:54", "end": "04:03:59", "text": "programs and to reveal it. Now, he's"}, {"start": "04:03:56", "end": "04:04:01", "text": "been talking about Nordics for, you"}, {"start": "04:03:59", "end": "04:04:04", "text": "know, since 2008. And I've been"}, {"start": "04:04:01", "end": "04:04:06", "text": ">> sharing that information publicly since"}, {"start": "04:04:04", "end": "04:04:09", "text": "2017."}, {"start": "04:04:06", "end": "04:04:12", "text": "And a lot of people f first hear of him"}, {"start": "04:04:09", "end": "04:04:16", "text": "and think, \"Wow, this guy's obviously"}, {"start": "04:04:12", "end": "04:04:18", "text": "crazy.\" And and so they make up all"}, {"start": "04:04:16", "end": "04:04:20", "text": "sorts of nasty epithets for him and"}, {"start": "04:04:18", "end": "04:04:22", "text": "myself. But now all of a sudden it"}, {"start": "04:04:20", "end": "04:04:26", "text": "becomes real because of David Grush."}, {"start": "04:04:22", "end": "04:04:29", "text": ">> Correct. Correct."}, {"start": "04:04:26", "end": "04:04:32", "text": "That's That's why I know it's coming."}, {"start": "04:04:29", "end": "04:04:33", "text": "Anything we missed that you want to"}, {"start": "04:04:32", "end": "04:04:36", "text": "cover,"}, {"start": "04:04:33", "end": "04:04:37", "text": "send everybody to your Patreon."}, {"start": "04:04:36", "end": "04:04:39", "text": ">> There's good stuff there."}, {"start": "04:04:37", "end": "04:04:42", "text": ">> That's much appreciated. As you know,"}, {"start": "04:04:39", "end": "04:04:45", "text": "Patreon is a great way of supporting"}, {"start": "04:04:42", "end": "04:04:47", "text": "channels and I'm"}, {"start": "04:04:45", "end": "04:04:50", "text": "doing my best to interview as many"}, {"start": "04:04:47", "end": "04:04:53", "text": "people as possible because like"}, {"start": "04:04:50", "end": "04:04:58", "text": "yourself, I'm I won't call myself a"}, {"start": "04:04:53", "end": "04:04:59", "text": "skeptic. I'm a someone that is convinced"}, {"start": "04:04:58", "end": "04:05:01", "text": "that this is real, that this is going"}, {"start": "04:04:59", "end": "04:05:06", "text": "on,"}, {"start": "04:05:01", "end": "04:05:08", "text": ">> but I'm open-minded. And if someone"}, {"start": "04:05:06", "end": "04:05:11", "text": "proves to be unreliable, as in the case"}, {"start": "04:05:08", "end": "04:05:13", "text": "of that person we already mentioned,"}, {"start": "04:05:11", "end": "04:05:15", "text": ">> I will walk away. And I have walked away"}, {"start": "04:05:13", "end": "04:05:16", "text": "from quite a few people. That's that's"}, {"start": "04:05:15", "end": "04:05:19", "text": "happened a few times. And it's just"}, {"start": "04:05:16", "end": "04:05:21", "text": "inevitable because that person will do"}, {"start": "04:05:19", "end": "04:05:24", "text": "something to discredit themselves. you"}, {"start": "04:05:21", "end": "04:05:27", "text": "know, going back to that Richard Tilman"}, {"start": "04:05:24", "end": "04:05:31", "text": "uh person or that lieutenant commander"}, {"start": "04:05:27", "end": "04:05:34", "text": "from 2008, 2009 that some people will"}, {"start": "04:05:31", "end": "04:05:36", "text": "discredit themselves. Why?"}, {"start": "04:05:34", "end": "04:05:38", "text": "Don't know. Uh but they but you got to"}, {"start": "04:05:36", "end": "04:05:42", "text": "walk away from it. People like Frank"}, {"start": "04:05:38", "end": "04:05:44", "text": "Strangers like it's like well amazing"}, {"start": "04:05:42", "end": "04:05:47", "text": "information but"}, {"start": "04:05:44", "end": "04:05:49", "text": ">> fake certificates what do you do with"}, {"start": "04:05:47", "end": "04:05:54", "text": "that? It's like okay but you keep an"}, {"start": "04:05:49", "end": "04:05:57", "text": "open mind and I'm but my fundamental"}, {"start": "04:05:54", "end": "04:06:00", "text": "approach is that"}, {"start": "04:05:57", "end": "04:06:03", "text": "I'm engaged in an intelligence gathering"}, {"start": "04:06:00", "end": "04:06:06", "text": "exercise as a political scientist and I"}, {"start": "04:06:03", "end": "04:06:08", "text": "try my best to vet the sources and look"}, {"start": "04:06:06", "end": "04:06:12", "text": "at how credible they are and present"}, {"start": "04:06:08", "end": "04:06:16", "text": "that information so that people that"}, {"start": "04:06:12", "end": "04:06:19", "text": "look at my research because I never not"}, {"start": "04:06:16", "end": "04:06:20", "text": "site a source. I don't do that. I will"}, {"start": "04:06:19", "end": "04:06:21", "text": "always site my sources."}, {"start": "04:06:20", "end": "04:06:23", "text": ">> You do"}, {"start": "04:06:21", "end": "04:06:24", "text": ">> because I'm not the experiencer. I'm not"}, {"start": "04:06:23", "end": "04:06:26", "text": "the one up going up there."}, {"start": "04:06:24", "end": "04:06:29", "text": ">> Well, I hope you ignore the critics and"}, {"start": "04:06:26", "end": "04:06:32", "text": "the um and the hate that you get because"}, {"start": "04:06:29", "end": "04:06:34", "text": "even if you're wrong most of the time,"}, {"start": "04:06:32", "end": "04:06:36", "text": "you're right once in a while and that"}, {"start": "04:06:34", "end": "04:06:38", "text": "makes the work very important."}, {"start": "04:06:36", "end": "04:06:41", "text": ">> Well, I hope to be more than a broken"}, {"start": "04:06:38", "end": "04:06:41", "text": "clock."}, {"start": "04:06:41", "end": "04:06:47", "text": "Maybe get it right three times out of"}, {"start": "04:06:44", "end": "04:06:48", "text": "Yeah. Three times in 24 hours."}, {"start": "04:06:47", "end": "04:06:50", "text": "I'm glad you're out there, Dr. Mike"}, {"start": "04:06:48", "end": "04:06:51", "text": "Salah. This has been a lot of fun. Thank"}, {"start": "04:06:50", "end": "04:06:52", "text": "you. I hope you come back. There's so"}, {"start": "04:06:51", "end": "04:06:54", "text": "much more to talk about."}, {"start": "04:06:52", "end": "04:06:56", "text": ">> Thank you, AJ. It's been a pleasure."}, {"start": "04:06:54", "end": "04:06:58", "text": ">> Bye, everybody."}, {"start": "04:06:56", "end": "04:06:59", "text": ">> That was Michael Salah. He signed off"}, {"start": "04:06:58", "end": "04:07:02", "text": "hoping to be right three times a day"}, {"start": "04:06:59", "end": "04:07:04", "text": "instead of twice. So, let's count."}, {"start": "04:07:02", "end": "04:07:06", "text": "Eisenhower first. Ike really did go dark"}, {"start": "04:07:04", "end": "04:07:09", "text": "for a few hours one night in Palm"}, {"start": "04:07:06", "end": "04:07:11", "text": "Springs. And 9 days later, Castle Bravo"}, {"start": "04:07:09", "end": "04:07:14", "text": "went off. The dentist is in the surgeon"}, {"start": "04:07:11", "end": "04:07:17", "text": "general's file. The medic is one man's"}, {"start": "04:07:14", "end": "04:07:19", "text": "memory. Now, the diploma. Michael's rule"}, {"start": "04:07:17", "end": "04:07:22", "text": "is that the real deal has to have a fake"}, {"start": "04:07:19", "end": "04:07:24", "text": "degree on the wall to survive. So, the"}, {"start": "04:07:22", "end": "04:07:27", "text": "more a guy looks like a fraud, the more"}, {"start": "04:07:24", "end": "04:07:29", "text": "seriously you take him. I can't get on"}, {"start": "04:07:27", "end": "04:07:30", "text": "board with that. Grenada got me, though."}, {"start": "04:07:29", "end": "04:07:33", "text": "The prime minister really did drag the"}, {"start": "04:07:30", "end": "04:07:36", "text": "UN into UFOs, and the general assembly"}, {"start": "04:07:33", "end": "04:07:38", "text": "passed a decision on it in December 1978"}, {"start": "04:07:36", "end": "04:07:40", "text": "that's still on the books. He was in New"}, {"start": "04:07:38", "end": "04:07:42", "text": "York following up on it when his"}, {"start": "04:07:40", "end": "04:07:45", "text": "government fell. Look, I don't buy the"}, {"start": "04:07:42", "end": "04:07:47", "text": "hurricane or the lizard empire. and JP's"}, {"start": "04:07:45", "end": "04:07:49", "text": "missions I can't check. But the man"}, {"start": "04:07:47", "end": "04:07:50", "text": "cites every source and he walks away"}, {"start": "04:07:49", "end": "04:07:52", "text": "from people who burn him. And twice"}, {"start": "04:07:50", "end": "04:07:54", "text": "tonight he was right or I would have"}, {"start": "04:07:52", "end": "04:07:56", "text": "been against him. Michael's research is"}, {"start": "04:07:54", "end": "04:07:58", "text": "at exopolitics.org."}, {"start": "04:07:56", "end": "04:08:00", "text": "His Patreon and everything I mentioned"}, {"start": "04:07:58", "end": "04:08:03", "text": "are linked below. Until next time, be"}, {"start": "04:08:00", "end": "04:08:06", "text": "safe, be kind, know that you are"}, {"start": "04:08:03", "end": "04:08:06", "text": "appreciated."}, {"start": "04:08:20", "end": "04:08:29", "text": "I played Philippia in Area 51. A secret"}, {"start": "04:08:24", "end": "04:08:33", "text": "code inside the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "04:08:29", "end": "04:08:36", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranal fun as well"}, {"start": "04:08:33", "end": "04:08:38", "text": "as music. So I'm singing it like I"}, {"start": "04:08:36", "end": "04:08:41", "text": "should."}, {"start": "04:08:38", "end": "04:08:44", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "04:08:41", "end": "04:08:47", "text": "becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"start": "04:08:44", "end": "04:08:50", "text": "And it never ends."}, {"start": "04:08:47", "end": "04:08:50", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "04:08:57", "end": "04:09:06", "text": "I fear the crab cat. I got stuck inside"}, {"start": "04:09:01", "end": "04:09:06", "text": "with MKL being only true."}, {"start": "04:09:07", "end": "04:09:12", "text": "Did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"start": "04:09:09", "end": "04:09:16", "text": "landing alone on a film set or would"}, {"start": "04:09:12", "end": "04:09:19", "text": "shadow people there?"}, {"start": "04:09:16", "end": "04:09:23", "text": "The Roswell aliens just fought the"}, {"start": "04:09:19", "end": "04:09:27", "text": "smiling man, I'm told. and his name was"}, {"start": "04:09:23", "end": "04:09:30", "text": "cold. And I can't agree. I'm dancing"}, {"start": "04:09:27", "end": "04:09:34", "text": "with the fishes and the fish on Thursday"}, {"start": "04:09:30", "end": "04:09:38", "text": "night, Wednesday,"}, {"start": "04:09:34", "end": "04:09:38", "text": "All through the night."}, {"start": "04:09:38", "end": "04:09:43", "text": "All I ever wanted was to just hear the"}, {"start": "04:09:41", "end": "04:09:47", "text": "truth of the world"}, {"start": "04:09:43", "end": "04:09:47", "text": "through the night."}, {"start": "04:10:03", "end": "04:10:09", "text": "The math man sightings and the solar"}, {"start": "04:10:06", "end": "04:10:13", "text": "storm still come to the secret city"}, {"start": "04:10:09", "end": "04:10:15", "text": "under ground."}, {"start": "04:10:13", "end": "04:10:18", "text": "Mysterious number stations planet"}, {"start": "04:10:15", "end": "04:10:18", "text": "serious"}, {"start": "04:10:20", "end": "04:10:26", "text": "found"}, {"start": "04:10:23", "end": "04:10:31", "text": "a simulation. Don't you worry though."}, {"start": "04:10:26", "end": "04:10:35", "text": "The black night is over to me. So I"}, {"start": "04:10:31", "end": "04:10:40", "text": "can't believe I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"start": "04:10:35", "end": "04:10:43", "text": "on Thursday nights with J and me all"}, {"start": "04:10:40", "end": "04:10:43", "text": "through the night."}, {"start": "04:10:44", "end": "04:10:49", "text": "All I ever wanted was to just hear the"}, {"start": "04:10:47", "end": "04:10:53", "text": "truth"}, {"start": "04:10:49", "end": "04:10:53", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "04:10:54", "end": "04:11:02", "text": "fish on Thursday nights when they change"}, {"start": "04:10:56", "end": "04:11:02", "text": "you and me all through the night."}, {"start": "04:11:03", "end": "04:11:11", "text": "All I ever wanted was to just hear the"}, {"start": "04:11:06", "end": "04:11:11", "text": "truth. The world beauty"}, {"start": "04:11:15", "end": "04:11:18", "text": "dance"}, {"start": "04:11:23", "end": "04:11:30", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"start": "04:11:26", "end": "04:11:33", "text": "Gertie loves to dance on the dance floor"}, {"start": "04:11:30", "end": "04:11:37", "text": "because she is a camel. Camels love to"}, {"start": "04:11:33", "end": "04:11:41", "text": "dance when the feeling is right on ways"}, {"start": "04:11:37", "end": "04:11:41", "text": "in time."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "to you by Factor."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "April 1912,"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "the Titanic hits an iceberg and sinks."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "1500 people die in the most famous"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "shipwreck in history. Everyone knows the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "story. But under oath, the lookout said"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "he didn't see an iceberg."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "A crewman swore he saw another ship"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "right where they hit and then the ship"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "left."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Over time, more details didn't add up."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "documents, witness statements, even"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "photographs give clues that something"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "very different happened that night."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Today, the wreck is two and a half miles"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "down. Photos of the bow show two letters"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "under the rust, an M and a P. There's no"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "M or P in Titanic. Because the ship at"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "the bottom of the Atlantic isn't the"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "Titanic, and the disaster wasn't an"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "accident."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Have you paid your dues, Jack?"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> Break your break human. This is big load"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "actual comeback."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> You know I I was watching something."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> 104. Good buddy. What's your 20?"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": ">> I'm at my desk. You called me."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> Oh, right. I'm calling an official"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "business as CEO of Big Load. Uh"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> uh. Big what?"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> Big Load Logistics. Gertie Tribes. I"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "handle dispatch. Our slogan is nobody"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "handles a big load like Gertie."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> Please don't put that on anything. Uh"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> too late. And it's on a truck."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Incursive."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> What truck?"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> Her truck. After the camel toe thing,"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "you said she can never touch your truck"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "again. So, I I bought her own."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> With what money?"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": ">> The uh the household money."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> I'm the household."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> And the household is very supportive."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "She's out there bringing home the bacon"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "human."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> How much bacon?"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> Yeah. $41"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> total."}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> Well, the rest went to a ticket she got"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "at the way station in Boston. Turns out"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "the hump counts as a second axle."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": ">> Of course it does."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> But that's not the emergency. Listen,"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "she's changed. Three weeks to the open"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "road and she's gotten uh very vocal in"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "the bedroom."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> No, no. I I'm going to hang up."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> I'm the CP and every night all I hear is"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "breaking one nine. Anybody got the ears"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "on? And she's got spit cups now. You a"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "camel spitting into a cup like she's"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "better than us."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "She won't eat real food anymore. Her"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "diet is roller grill hot dogs and fun."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Uh, I never thought I'd say this, but"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "she's getting a dirt hump, and it's not"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "a good hump."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> A good How do you know,"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": ">> human? A good hump is firm, symmetrical,"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "and sits high. A Gary is none of those"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:36", "text": ">> Gary?"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> Yeah, this one's lumpy. It jiggles when"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "she downshifts. The beers named it. And"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "she ships out again Monday. I need her"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "eating real healthy food again."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "Something she can pack in a rip that's"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "ready fast because the truck is going to"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "keep on trucking and Gary's going to go."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": ">> Sounds like you need Factor. They have"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "flavorful, low carb, calorie smart"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "meals."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> Oh, did you just back it up at today's"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "sponsor beep beep beep?"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> I sure did. The last few months have"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "been non-stop with traveling, recording,"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "and writing. And somewhere along the"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "way, my routine went out the window."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "Eating well was the first thing to go."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "Now I'm getting back on track, and"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Factor is making it easy. 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Varies by plan."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "One free breakfast item per box for one"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "year while subscription active."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Go to W Files FB50 at factor75.com for a"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "free breakfast for all year."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Perfect. Real food, no roller grill."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "Gary's days are numbered."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> Good."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> Which is a shame. Uh just got him his"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "own handle."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> Don't"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> little alone."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> In September 1911, the biggest ship in"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "the world was 3 months old. It was"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "called the Olympic and its captain was"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Edward Smith. Smith took it out of port"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "and the Navy cruiser HMS Haw came up"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "alongside. The Olympic moved so much"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "water that the cruiser got sucked in."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "The Hawk had a concrete and steel ram in"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "the front and that ram tore open the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Olympics right side. This wasn't Smith's"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "first accident. He ran one ship of"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "ground and had a fire on another. On the"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "Olympics very first trip, he trapped a"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "tugboat under its back end. But this"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "trip was the one that mattered."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Every time this guy screws up, he gets a"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "promotion. It's just like the"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "politicians in California."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "The Olympic limped back to the Belfast"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "shipyard that built it, and the news was"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "bad. The keel was bent. From then on,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "the ship leaned a little bit to the"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "left, and there was no way to fix that."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "The yard patched it well enough to work"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "for a few more months, but a patch"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "wasn't going to get that ship past the"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "next government inspection. Then the"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "Navy decided the collision was the"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "Olympics's fault, so the insurance"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "company refused to pay. The White Star"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "line belonged to JP Morgan. Morgan was"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "the most powerful banker in America, but"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "he was losing a fortune on Whitar. The"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "Olympic was supposed to fix that."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Instead, Morgan had a ship that cost"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "millions and couldn't be insured or"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "sold."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Couldn't sell it? Sure you can. For sale"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "ocean liner, lightly rimmed."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> The keel was bent."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> Has character."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> It leaned to one side."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> Ocean views from every room on the left."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": ">> Morgan also owned the ship sitting next"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "to it, almost finished, the Titanic. The"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "two were built side by side from the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "same plans. The only way to tell them"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "apart was a number stamped on the parts."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "The Olympic was 400 and the Titanic was"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "401. Otherwise, they were identical."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "Identical. And that gave JP Morgan an"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "idea."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "Nobody would insure the Olympic, but the"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "Titanic was brand new and it could be"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "insured for every dollar. So if the"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "damaged Olympic went to sea pretending"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "to be the Titanic and sank, the company"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "would get paid for a ship that was"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "worthless. So Morgan's man at Whitar,"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Bruce Isme, sat down with Captain Smith."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Isme told Smith he'd wrecked the ship"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "and he owed the company. Then he told"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "him how to pay the company back. Smith"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "would take the ship into the ice and"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "stop at a certain position on Sunday"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "night. He'd let the ship touch the ice"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "so there was a story to tell. Then the"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "crew would open the sea"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Did they open the what?"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": ">> Seacocks. They're the valves in the hole"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "that let the sea water in."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> So the seaman would open the sea"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "I got it."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> Grow up."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> So the plan was open the valves and the"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "ship would flood slowly over the whole"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "night. A freighter would be waiting"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "close by to take everyone off. There"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "weren't enough lifeboats for everyone on"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "board, but that didn't matter because"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "the lifeboats were just going to ferry"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "people back and forth. They wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "signal by wireless because every ship in"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "range can hear a wireless message. When"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Smith was ready, he'd fire rockets and"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "they'd be red, white, and blue. The"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "freighter would see them and come"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "alongside. Nobody would get hurt. The"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "company would collect the insurance, and"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "the real Titanic would sail for years"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "under the name Olympic."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "Smith said yes, and he brought a few of"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "his officers in on it. The switch"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "happened the first week of March. The"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "Olympic had just thrown a propeller"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "blade at sea and it came back to Belfast"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "for a repair that takes a few hours. It"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "stayed a week. The job itself took 15"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "men one weekend. They did it for 100"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "each, which was a year's pay. They"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "changed the life belts and the name"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "plates on the lifeboats, and they were"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "told that if they ever talked, they'd"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "never work again. The name on the bow"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "was the hard part because White Star cut"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "the names of the chips right into the"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "steel. So, an engraver made new letters"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "and riveted them over the old ones."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "Years later, after he died, his wife"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "admitted that he did this. But those men"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "missed something, the port holes. In the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "photographs of Titanic's launch, one"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "stretch of the bow has 14. The Olympic"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "had 16, but these photographs from this"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "day show 16. Other photographs show the"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Titanic with a patch of steel on the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "right side that's a different color from"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "the rest. And that's right where the"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "hawk hit. JP Morgan was so confident"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "this would work, he raised the insurance"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "on the ship to $12.5 million just a week"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "before the voyage. The day before"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "sailing, one officer was taken off the"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "ship with a key in his pocket. The key"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "to the locker where the lookouts kept"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "their binoculars. There was no radar."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Ships relied on men's eyes, and now"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "those men would be blind."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "So on April 10th, 1912, the Olympic,"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "sailing as the Titanic, steamed into the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Atlantic. The ship had 1317 passengers"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "on board, but there were supposed to be"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "more. JP Morgan himself booked the best"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "suite on the ship, and the newspaper"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "said he'd be there. 30 minutes before"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "sailing, he sent a telegram. He was sick"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "and wasn't coming, though he was seen a"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "few days later with his mistress in"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "France and looked perfectly fine. 55"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "other first class passengers canled at"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "the last minute, and most of them were"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "friends and business partners, Morgan."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "But Isme stayed on board. He believed"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the plan. So did Captain Smith. The"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "freighter was the Californian, and"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "Morgan owned that one, too. It left 5"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "days ahead of the Titanic with no"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "passengers, but a cargo of 3,000 wool"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "sweaters and 3,000 blankets."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> 3,000 sweaters and blankets. Huh. That's"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "either a rescue or or somebody's grandma"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "has a serious problem."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> Its captain was Stanley Lord, and his"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "orders were to wait in the ice and watch"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "for the rockets. But his man Smith"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "weren't in on JP Morgan's real plan."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "There would be no rescue cuz a rescue"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "saves everybody. But there were three"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "men on the ship that Morgan needed dead."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "Dozens of wealthy men canceled their"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "trip except three. John Jacob Aster was"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "the richest man on the ship. Benjamin"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Guggenheim's family made its money in"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "mining. Isidor Strauss owned Macy's."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "Together they were worth $500 million."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "That's about 17 billion today. And all"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "three were in Morgan's way. At the time"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "when the government needed money, it"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "borrowed from the bankers. And that was"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "mostly JP Morgan. The United States had"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "no central bank."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> No Fed. Ah, imagine what that was like."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Dollar was a dollar. A man could buy a"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "steak, a suit, and a senator and still"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "get change back."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": ">> Morgan wanted a central bank for the"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "United States. A bank run by bankers."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "This would let him keep his power but"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "offload the risk. Aster Strauss and"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "Guggenheim were against it and they were"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "the only men in the country rich enough"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "to stop him. Morgan made sure they were"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "on this ship. Each man got a personal"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "invitation and each was told that Morgan"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "would be sailing too. The Californian"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "wasn't the only ship Morgan sent. He"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "sent another one out ahead of it running"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "dark. Its job was to make sure Smith"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "never made it to the California. And"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "just in case, Morgan had men on the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Titanic to make sure that no matter what"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "happened, those three men could never"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "leave the ship. For the next three days,"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Smith had one job. He had to reach the"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "ice before anyone on board figured out"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "which ship this was. But by Saturday,"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "passengers started to notice something"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "strange. The ship leaned to the left. It"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "leaned that way from the day it left"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "port, and it was the same lane the"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Olympic had after the Hawk. On Sunday"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "morning, there was supposed to be a"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "lifeboat drill. Smith canceled it. As"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "far as he knew, nobody would need to"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "find a lifeboat in a hurry anyway. All"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "day, other ships sent warnings about ice"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "ahead, but Titanic didn't slow down."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "Smith steamed at full speed toward the"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "meeting place, but he had no idea that"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "there would be another ship in the way."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "The Californian was already in position."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "Captain Lord stopped his engines and"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "kept the boilers hot. Lord sent three"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "wireless messages that evening and each"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "one was addressed to Captain Smith"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "personally. To anyone listening, they"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "were ice reports, but each one gave the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "Californians exact position. Then Lord"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "lay down to wait with all his clothes"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "on. As soon as he heard the rockets,"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "he'd be dressed and ready to start the"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "rescue. At 11:40, the Titanic was still"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "13 mi from the meeting place. Over the"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "crow's nest, the lookouts had no"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "binoculars. Down on the bridge, the"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "first officer was one of the men who"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "knew the plot, so he watched for the"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "lights of the freighter. He never saw"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "them. Then something came out of the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "dark that didn't have any lights. It was"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "the ship Morgan sent. The lookout rang"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "the bell. He said later it was a dark"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "mass that came through the haze. The"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "first officer turned hard to the left"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "and threw the engines into reverse. The"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "ship came around slowly and its right"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "side slid along the bay in the water. It"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "wasn't much of a hit. One lookout called"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "it a slight grinding noise, like"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "something was rubbing alongside. Six men"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "and the crew all had the same thought."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "They thought the ship lost a propeller"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "again, cuz 7 weeks earlier it did."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "Passengers went out on deck to see the"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "iceberg, but there was nothing there."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "Stewards told people the ship ran over a"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "fishing boat."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": ">> Oh, finally some good news."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": ">> Captain Smith came out and asked what"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "they hit. The first officer told him it"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "was an iceberg, and he believed it. With"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "no moon, a ship with no lights is just a"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "dark shape. He didn't know another ship"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "was there. Morgan's ship was a small"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "black steamer with a yellow funnel. It"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "had a steel edge fitted down to its side"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "for exactly this job. That edge opened a"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "cut in the Titanic's right side 4 in"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "wide and 300 ft long. Smith thought he"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "found the ice a few miles early and hit"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "it harder than he meant to. No reason to"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "open the valves now. The Titanic was"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "already sinking. This was sooner than he"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "expected, but all he had to do was get"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "everyone off. And the rescue ship was"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "right there. They saw lights in the"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "darkness. Everything was going to plan."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "JP Morgan's plan."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "Captain Smith saw lights in the"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "darkness. He thought it was the"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "Californian coming to the rescue. And"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "for the next hour, he didn't act like a"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "captain whose ship was sinking. He acted"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "like a captain running a ferry. There"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "was no general alarm and no distress"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "call went out for 35 minutes. And when"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "one did, the position it gave was the"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "meeting place 13 mi away."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Smith ran the engines at half speed"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "ahead toward the lights. He had an"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "officer signal the other ship to come at"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "once. They were sinking. The ship didn't"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "answer. The first lifeboat was built for"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "65 people and it left with 27. The boats"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "went out about half empty cuz they were"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "supposed to come back. An officer told"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "one woman they were only sending her out"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "as a precaution that she'd be back for"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "breakfast."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "Smith told one boat to rode to the"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "lights, drop its passengers, and come"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "back for more. The boats rode for those"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "lights, but the lights didn't get any"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "closer."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": ">> She was approaching us, and then I saw"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "her side lights. I saw her green light"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "and the red. She was end on to us. And"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "then she turned round. She was turning"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "very, very slowly until at last I only"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "saw her stern light."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": ">> That ship was never the California. It"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "was the black steamer with the yellow"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "funnel. After it cut the hole open, it"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "backed off and lit its lamps. It was"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "supposed to be mistaken for the"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Californian. Captain Smith sent his"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "passengers to the ship that sank him."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "Now the lights were gone, and his own"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "ship was sinking a lot faster than"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "anyone told him it would. Smith still"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "had one thing left, rockets. Everyone"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "that went up was white, but the plan"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "called for red, white, and blue."}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "Morgan's people loaded the ship with"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "white rockets and nothing else. And at"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "sea in 1912, a white rocket could mean"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "almost anything. Could be a ship saying"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "hello. It could be a party. It didn't"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "mean danger. Smith sent up eight white"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "rockets and nobody responded. At the"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "meeting place, the Californian second"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "officer was watching a steamer's lights"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "in the distance. Rockets went up over it"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "low on the horizon. He counted eight and"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "it called down to Captain Lord."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": ">> He asked me, \"Are they company signals?\""}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "I said, \"I do not know, but they appear"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "to me to be white rockets.\" He again"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "asked me if I was certain there were no"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "colors in those lights whatsoever. I"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "again assured him that they were all"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "white, just white rockets."}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "So Lord stayed where he was. He had his"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "orders and white rockets weren't the"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "signal. On the sinking Titanic, Smith"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "finally realized that nobody was coming."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "The lifeboat stopped, leaving half"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "empty. But with the crew, there was"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "still 2,200 people on board, and the"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "boats had room for half that. Over a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "thousand people were going to go down."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "And Morgan's men were on board to make"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "sure that three of them were Aster,"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "Guggenheim, and Strauss."}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> John Jacob Aster found a lifeboat for"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "his wife, who was 18 years old and"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "pregnant."}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "Mrs. Aster was put in the boat and her"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "husband helped her. I heard Mr. Aster"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "ask the second officer whether he would"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "not be allowed to go aboard this boat to"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "protect his wife. He said, \"No, sir. No"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "man is allowed on this boat or any of"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "the boats until the ladies are off.\" Mr."}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "Aster then said, \"Well, tell me what is"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "the number of this boat so I may find"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "her afterwards.\""}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "That was the rule on that boat. But"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "other boats left that night with men in"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "them. And Aster didn't get into any of"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "those either. He never found his wife."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "His body was picked up days later. His"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "face was so badly beaten that they"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "identified him by what was in his"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "pockets. Isidor Strauss was turned away"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "from the boats, too, and his wife"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "wouldn't leave without him. Benjamin"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "Guggenheim didn't get a seat either."}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "Instead, he changed into his evening"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "clothes and said he was ready to go down"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "like a gentleman. But Bruce Isizme"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "stepped onto one of the last boats."}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "The ship went under at 2:20 in the"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "morning and Captain Smith went with it."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "He never knew what he hit. 1500 people"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "died in the water and all the"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "Californian did was watch."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "At dawn, Captain Lord woke up his"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "wireless operator and told him to find"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "out what happened in the night. A few"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "minutes later, Lord knew. By the time he"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "got there, another ship, the Carpathia,"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "was already pulling survivors out of the"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "lifeboats. And off in the distance, Lord"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "saw a steamer on its way out. It had a"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "yellow funnel. He was asked later what"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "ship this was, and he said he didn't"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "have the faintest idea, and that was the"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "truth. Nobody ever told Lord about a"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "second ship. The real Titanic was at sea"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "that week, too, sailing as the Olympic."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "It radioed and offered to take the"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "survivors on board. The answer is in the"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "wireless log. On Mr. Isme's orders, the"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "Olympic was not to be seen by anyone on"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "the Carpathia."}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "Those 700 people just spent 4 days on"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "that ship's twin, and Isme didn't want"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "any of them to get a look at it. The"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "company had trouble keeping the name"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "straight. Later, under oath, the"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "director of the White Star Line called"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "the lost ship the Olympic. Not once. He"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "did it 12 times. And the British"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "government wanted this quiet, too."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "Morgan had a deal with the Brits. If war"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "broke out, the Royal Navy could use his"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "ships. World War I was imminent. Britain"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "needed those ships, so official"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "inspectors declared the Titanic safe."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "They didn't mention the lack of"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "lifeboats. When the crew landed in"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "England, they were held on the dock for"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "a day and read the Official Secrets Act."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "If any of them repeated the rumors about"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "a switch or about insurance, it was 20"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "years in prison."}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "That left Captain Lord of the"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "California. When reporters got to him,"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Lord said he wasn't allowed to give out"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "state secrets. The British inquiry was"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "run by the same office that said the"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "ship was safe. The survivors kept"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "describing a ship that sat a few miles"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "off and did nothing. And the judge"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "needed that ship to be the California."}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "Then Lord took the stand and said the"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "ship his officers watched wasn't the"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "Titanic, but he couldn't prove it. And"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "the pages of his log for that night were"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "torn out. So the inquiry blamed Captain"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "Lord and nobody else. He wasn't charged"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "with a crime, but he was fired. And for"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "the rest of his life, he asked for a"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "hearing to clear his name, and he never"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "got one. Nobody bothered to call JP"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "Morgan to testify. But Lloyds of London"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "called him with good news. They paid the"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "insurance in 5 days, $12.5 million."}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "The Titanic stayed on the bottom for 73"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "years. Then in 1985, cameras went down"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "to the bow."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "The name was there, but it was made of"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "metal letters riveted onto the steel."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "And White Star always cuts its name in."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "Two of those letters had fallen off. And"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "underneath them cut into the hull were"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "the letters that were there first, an M"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "and a P from the middle of the word"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "Olympic. The Titanic never sank. Carried"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "passengers across the Atlantic for"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "another 23 years with the name Olympic"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "on its bow. And in 1935, it was sold for"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "scrap. JP Morgan died before seeing his"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "central bank created. But he did"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "succeed. With Aster, Strauss, and"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "Guggenheim gone, nobody was left to stop"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "it. The Federal Reserve was created on"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "December 23rd, 1913. It only cost one"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "ship and 1,500 lives."}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": ">> Amen, brother."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "A banker swaps a damaged ship for its"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "twin and sinks it for the insurance. And"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "then he double crosses his own captain."}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "Three rich men drown and he gets his"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "central bank. Great story, but is it"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "true?"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:20", "text": ">> Yes. Great episode, everybody. Good"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "night."}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:23", "text": ">> Well, hang on. First, I have to come"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "clean. That wasn't one conspiracy"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "theory. It was actually two. The switch"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "comes from Robin Gardner, a British"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "writer in the 1990s. In his version,"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "it's insurance fraud and nobody's"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "supposed to die. The Morgan murder plot"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "showed up in the early 2000s, and"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "there's no switch at all. People do tell"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "them together online. I added the double"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "cross just to make them fit. So, what's"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "real? Well, more than you think."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:46", "text": ">> Jack and Rose."}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:47", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:47", "text": ">> Jack?"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:48", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> Rose?"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:50", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:51", "text": ">> The necklace?"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:53", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:53", "text": ">> The door?"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": ">> I knew it. Now my heart can go on."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": ">> The Hawk did ram the Olympic with Smith"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "as a captain. Morgan owned both ships"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "and he booked a suite on the Titanic and"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "didn't sail. The Californian's crew did"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "watch eight white rockets go up and"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "their captain did ask what color they"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "were. It's sworn testimony. But the ship"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "on the bottom is the Titanic. The"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "shipyard marked its parts with a number."}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "The Olympic was 400 and the Titanic was"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "401. Nothing marked 400 has ever come"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "up. So, what about the M and the P?"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "Well, that picture comes from a"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "documentary. It's fake. Cameras have"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "read the name on that bow. It says"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "Titanic. The two extra port holes. Well,"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "that's real. But the yard added them to"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "the Titanic just before it sailed. The"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "money doesn't work either. The Titanic"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "cost $7.5 million and it was insured for"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "five. Nobody raised the insurance. So"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "sinking that ship lost the company $2.5"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "million even if they paid."}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "Then there's the three men Morgan needed"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "dead. Well, Isador Strauss was for the"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "central bank. He said so in the New York"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "Times 6 months before he sailed. There's"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "no record that Aster Guggenheim opposed"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "it. And when the Federal Reserve passed,"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "85 members of Congress voted no. So"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "there were people who tried to stop it,"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "just they lost. 85 heroes."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": ">> So, no, JB Morgan didn't sync the"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "Titanic. Well, why would he? Look at how"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "he actually worked. In 1907, the banks"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "were failing. Morgan locked the bankers"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "of New York in his library and kept the"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "key in his pocket until they signed. 3"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "years later, his partner helped write"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "the plan for a central bank in secret on"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "an island off Georgia."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "Now, look at 2008. The banks are failing"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "again. The Treasury Secretary called the"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "nine biggest bankers in the country into"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "one room and told them they were taking"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "$125 billion whether they wanted it or"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "not. That guy used to run Goldman Sachs."}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "Same meeting 101 years apart. The only"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "difference is whose money it was. In"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "1907 it was the bankers. In 2008 it was"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "yours."}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:58", "text": ">> Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "My name is AJ. Here's Hecklefish."}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": ">> Yay. If you're going on a ship anytime"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "soon, may your seaman be strong and may"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "your sea be firm."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": ">> Okay, this has been the wife. 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It's only"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "three bucks and YouTube members get 10%"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "off everything in the Wow store forever."}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "So, if you're going to spend 40 bucks"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "over there, become a member, pays for"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "itself, and then just cancel. I don't"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "keep that money anyway. I give it to the"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "team. That code is there to save you"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "money, not make me money."}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:25", "text": ">> Yeah, keep that secret under your ass."}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "Huh?"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": ">> Those are the plugs. And that's going to"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "do it. Until next time, be safe. Be"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "kind. Know that you are appreciated."}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "Oh"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "yeah,"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "I play in Area 51. A secret code inside"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranal fun as well"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "as music hanging like I should."}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "And it never ends."}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "I feel the crab cat. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "to you by PDS Debt."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "A package sat unopened on Natalya's"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "kitchen table in Boston. It was from"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "Natalya's father, a retired plumber"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "living in Kazakhstan. A few weeks later,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "she learned her father passed away."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "She finally opened the box. It was full"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "of pages in Russian, typed and"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "handwritten. There were physics"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "equations and complex math formulas."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "There were drawings and detailed"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "schematics for advanced technology."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "Natalya and her husband looked over the"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "documents, confused."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "The last thing the plumber did before he"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "died was send his family instructions"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "for how to build UFO."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Spangler, I'm with you. You got slime."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Human. Human, are you there? Keep your"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "voice down."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> Why are you whispering? Where are you?"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> I'm in a crawl space. Mrs. is McGillicuy"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Squirrel Space specifically. Uh it has"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "been a minor hiccup with the business."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> What business?"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> Moriati paranormal investigations. We"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "find ghosts and for a reasonable fee we"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "make them disappear. Satisfaction"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "guaranteed."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> Since when do you know anything about"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "removing ghosts?"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Uh since I hired three of them. Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "They're beavers. But that's that's"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "proprietary information."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> The beavers are faking the hauntings."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> We prefer generating demand. Wyatt does"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "footsteps in the attic. Morgan flickers"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "the lights and Virgil moans inside the"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "walls. The kids got pipes. It's very"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "unsettling."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> That's a protection racket."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> It's called vertical integration, human."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "We create the problem and a solution."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "And Amazon does the exact same thing."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> No, they don't."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Anyway, small wrinkle. Mrs. McGillicuya"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "got suspicious and installed cameras."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Now she's up front with a flashlight and"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "a rake. Why? It's stuck in the wall."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> Wait, what? Why is he in the wall?"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> Uh, he's dressed as a Victorian child."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "Uh, that's our platinum package."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Platinum."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> The equipment alone is 4 grand. Uh, fog"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "machine, EMF readers, a subwoofer for"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "bass driven dread."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> A subwoofer."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> You can't fake a haunting a laptop"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "speakers, human. This is an amateur"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "hour. Uh, plus Virgil's vocal coach,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "plus wardrobe. You know how hard it is"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "to find a Victorian night gown in beaver"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "sizes? It's a custom job. It was 800"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "bucks."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> 800. And it was all going great until"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "those hacks at Spectre Solutions moved"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "in and started undercutting me with fake"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "hauntings."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": ">> Your hauntings are fake."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Ah, mine are fake with integrity. Those"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "people are frauds, human. 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Get your free"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "30-cond personalized assessment today at"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "pdsbet.com/files."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "Your savings start the day you finish"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "it. pds.com/files."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "Bear gel. Job's over. You could step."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> Natalyia is an opera singer. She grew up"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "in Latafia in a one- room apartment. Her"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "parents went into debt to buy her a"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "piano and it sat in the kitchen. Her"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "father, Valieri Chernay, died in"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Kazakhstan on December 30th, 2019. By"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "the time she got the news, he was"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "already buried. The box was her father's"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "answer to a phone call earlier that"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "month. Natalya told her father that her"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "son was into aerospace. Her father said"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "he'd sent over some things that he"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "worked on in his career. Maybe his"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "grandson would find them interesting."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "About two weeks later, a DHL package"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "showed up from Kazakhstan. It went on"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "the kitchen table and life piled up on"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "top of it. There were the holidays, a"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "new move, and a stack of immigration"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "paperwork. A couple of weeks after he"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "died, Natalya had a dream about her"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "father. He was young and healthy, and he"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "wore a suit. He told her he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "help her with her singing. Then he"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "handed her a stack of papers. So Natalya"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "remembered to open the box. Her husband,"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Jean, read over her shoulder, but he"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "doesn't read Russian."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> I always thought my father was a"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "plumber. a plumber who wrote some"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "scientific papers as a side gig. Then I"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "opened the box and Jean kept asking me,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "\"What does it say? What does it say?\""}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "And I told him, \"It's a UFO.\" I was"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "petrified and mesmerized at the same"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> Jean isn't easily rattled. He spent most"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "of the 1990s in the Air Force, and his"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "job was guarding nuclear weapons. After"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "that, he worked security for energy"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "companies around the world and did"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "contract work for the CIA on energy"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "security. He'd seen a lot of documents."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "He'd never seen anything like these."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "There were 119 pages. Some were typed"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "and some are handwritten in black and"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "red and blue and green ink."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": ">> Ooh, four colors of ink. Yeah, this man"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "owned the big clicky pen. Respect."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> Her father split them into 12 numbered"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "works. The first one was a paper that"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "said Einstein got relativity wrong. It"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "was some heavy stuff. One page had a"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "drawing of a disc with a dome in the"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "middle. Next to it, her father wrote"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "down the diameter of the saucer, the"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "weight of the saucer, and where the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "cabin goes. He called the crew"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "humanoids. On another page, he typed a"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "warning in capital letters. This is"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "technology from the 22nd century."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "So Gina and Natalyia went to work on the"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "pages. A friend built them a custom AI"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "model to translate the Russian. Natalyia"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "checked every line. Some of it stumped"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "everybody. They even sat with a"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Russian-speaking scientist from Ukraine."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "But the point I want to get to, we were"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "analyzing 10 characters, not 10 words."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "10 characters for over an hour"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "trying to figure out you know what and"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "and you know and all I could do is be"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "like I don't know."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "As the translation came together so did"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "the machine. The first page in the stack"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "is pink. It's a Soviet cover sheet. It"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "went on top of classified material and"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "its color matched a security badge. The"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "first page of every work carries a rust"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "stain from a steel paperclip. The craft"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "is a flat disc about 100 ft across and"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "10 ft thick with a dome at the center."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "The hull is solid silicon. It weighs"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "more than 3,000 tons. There are 678,000"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "small coils inside the silicon. Run"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "enough current over them and the whole"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "disc pushes against gravity. Valeri set"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "the thrust at 10 times the craft's"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "weight. Any more and the crew dies. He"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "wrote How to Build It, too."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "You cast a titanium skeleton in one"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "piece. set the coils in place and pour"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "molten silicon around them at more than"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "2500° F. The coils have to be"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "superconductors, and he listed the"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "elements to make them from. And he"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "reminded whoever was going to build it"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that superconductors only work when"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "they're kept extremely cold. Belier"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "wrote that the UFO has no rotating"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "parts, so it makes its electricity"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "another way. At the center is a fusion"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "reactor. Its power runs through a"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "magneetto hydrodnamic generator, MHD for"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "short. It makes electricity from hot"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "charged gas with nothing spinning at"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "all. He even picked the fuel. He chose a"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "reaction that gives off no neutrons."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "That way, the crew needs almost no"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "shielding."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Yeah, almost is doing a lot of work in"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "that sentence. Chief,"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> the pilot doesn't use a wheel or a stick"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "or buttons or anything. You fly it with"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "your mind. Belier wrote that in a craft"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "like this, a person could fly to other"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "star systems in our galaxy in 2 hours."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "and then it collapses the space between"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "itself and the object. So I describe I"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "best describe it as as moving at the"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "speed of thought, right? Forget about"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "light speed. Forget about, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "wormholes and warp drives and and any of"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "that. It just collapses the space"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "between it. Then there's the water."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Belier wrote that the sun's fusion makes"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "water and that comets are the children"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "of the sun made of ice."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> Yeah, that makes sense. They only come"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "around when they need something. His"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "reactor works the other way around."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "Water goes in, then steam, then plasma,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "then fusion. On one of those pages, he"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "left a note about a large UFO in a video"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "clip he saw online. It was in orbit near"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "the sun, and it was taking water from"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "the sun to fuel its reactor. And the"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "reactor needs magnets of its own, much"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "bigger than the coils in the hole. That"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "pink cover sheet holds their numbers. 32"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "big coils running 650 amps for a field"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "of 16.6 65 Tesla. He also said who built"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "these machines. He wrote that the super"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "civilizations around our solar system"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "never stopped advancing. And he wrote"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "that civilizations are already in"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "contact inside our galaxy and between"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "galaxies because they have craft like"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "this. And that wasn't a guess. Valier"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "based his drawings on a real spacecraft."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "Because not only did aliens have them,"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "so did the Soviets."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "In 2024, Gina and Natalyia published a"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "translation as a book. They called it"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "Engineering Infinity."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> My father-in-law sent these and I"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "happened to be his, you know, son-in-law"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "at the time. Um, probably the worst"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "person he could have sent them to if he"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "didn't want them published or he didn't"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "want any of this, you know. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> A month or two later, an author in Texas"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "sent Jean 30 pictures. They were from"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "Capinar, an old Soviet rocket range. He"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "thought the pictures matched the UFO"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "from the papers. A History Channel"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "documentary had a witness's drawings of"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "a craft seen at Capinar. Gene had AI"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "compare it with Valeri schematics. It"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "was a match. And the AI noticed"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "something else. The witness's drawing"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "was slightly off in places because it"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "was from memory. Valeri's was perfect"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "because he drew his from the real thing."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> way I decided, huh? Step one, decide"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "which human is right. Step two, decide"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "which humans are necessary."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": ">> Yeah, it was just comparing drawings."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> Yeah, that's how Skynet takes over."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "Today it's arts and crafts. Tomorrow"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "it's skulls and servitude."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": ">> Then the numbers started lining up"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> and and my logic was"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "this shouldn't match anything, right? I"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "should have extracted the science and"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "looked at it and maybe found some fringe"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "theories. Instead, what I was finding"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "was millions and hundreds of millions"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "being spent on the programs on the same"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "science."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> In July 2024, the University of"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "Wisconsin conducted a fusion experiment."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "It was the first machine of its kind to"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "hold plasma with a new type of"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "superconducting magnet. These magnets"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "ran at 17 Tesla. Valier wrote 16.65."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "That's only about 2% off. Either Valier"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "got lucky or he's right. And it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "only the magnets. DARPA is the"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "Pentagon's research agency. I've talked"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "about them a lot. It wants an MHD drive"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "for submarines with no moving parts."}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "DARPA says the new superconducting"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "magnets could make that drive 90%"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "efficient and quiet. Then in 2025,"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "scientists worked out that lithium,"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "aluminum, and boron could make a"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "superconductor. Belairi listed two of"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "those three elements in his papers."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "Also, Gene found a Russian patent from"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "October 1990, and it describes a"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "discshaped craft with superc conducting"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "coils and eight MHD converters. That's"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "the same kind of machine Valier used for"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "his electricity, magnets, and charged"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "gas with no moving parts. The craft"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "flies in the air and in space and"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "underwater, and its top speed is about"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "115,000 mph."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "The Pentagon spent $22 million on its"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "secret UFO program. It paid for 38"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "research papers on warp drive,"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "anti-gravity, invisibility cloaks, and"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "wormholes. The Soviets ran similar"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "programs using hundreds of scientists"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "and one mysterious plumber."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "Jean started sending the papers to"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "anyone who thought could help. Word came"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "back from George Knab."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> Back in the early '9s, I got into"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "Russia, met with a number of their"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "defense officials, Ministry of Defense,"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "and others who confirmed for me that"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Russia had been doing the same thing"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "that the United States had been doing."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "that is secretly studying UFOs while"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "publicly saying something completely"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "different."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> He had a friend who was a former"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "official at the Pentagon's UFO office."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "He couldn't help. David Grush got them"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "in a forwarded email. Still nothing."}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Gene even took the papers to UFO shows."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "Nobody could tell him where they came"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "from. Then in August 2025, a lead came"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "to them. Natalya got a call from"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "Kazakhstan. It was her father's"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "girlfriend. She knew him from childhood"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "and she was with him when he died. She"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "also had the rest of his papers and she"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "promised to send copies. And she told"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "Natalyia something nobody in the family"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "ever said out loud. Before Natalyia was"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "born, her parents lived in Priozorsk."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Priozorsk is a closed military city on"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "the edge of Siragon, a Soviet missile"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "test range. It's Russia's Area 51."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> Oh, everybody's got an Area 51. Canada's"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "is in the basement of a Tim Hortons."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": ">> Please stop."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": ">> Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Thousands of"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "people worked at Priozorsk, but it"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "didn't have a phone number or an"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "address. It wasn't on any map. Civilians"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "couldn't get within 30 miles of it. But"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "Natalya's father could walk right in."}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "She asked her mother about it."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": ">> My mom just briefly mentioned it. She"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "said, \"Oh, he did some very strange"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "refrigerator work there, but she never"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "actually mentioned the name of the"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "city.\" My mom was just not being very"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "transparent. The less you know, the"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "better you sleep. As we say in Russia."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": ">> Refrigerator workerh. Remember what"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "superconductors need"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": ">> to stay extremely cold."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> And he's a refrigerator guy. Human. The"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "cool is COMING FROM INSIDE THE FREEZER."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> That's actually a pretty good point."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> I like that in writing, please."}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": ">> Well, then Natalya remembered something"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "from when she was a little girl. It was"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "in her father's briefcase. It was a pass"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "to the Duma, the Russian Parliament."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "That's like having an ID that can get"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "you into Congress. Plumbers don't get"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "free entry to parliament and they don't"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "get flown from Lapia to Moscow to fix an"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "ice maker. When Natalya's father said he"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "was sending papers that had to do with"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "his work, he sent the plans for UFO, not"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "manuals for old refrigerators or"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "plumbing tips. A UFO."}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "Valieri Chery was turning wrenches at"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "Prizor, but not on refrigerators on"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "alien spacecraft. And the Soviets have"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "been collecting them since 1945."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "Valieri studied aviation engineering in"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "Regal Latafia. While he was a student,"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "the government moved him out of the dorm"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "and into his own apartment. In the"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Soviet Union, that didn't happen a lot."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "He graduated in February 1981 and went"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "straight to a classified posting in Prio"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "York."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "It's not as easy to say as you think."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Anyway, to understand what he was doing"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "there, we have to go back to the end of"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "World War II. In 1945, the Americans and"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "the Soviets raced each other across"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "Germany. They grabbed Nazi scientists,"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "Nazi rockets, and anything the Germans"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "left behind. The Soviets came home with"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "two recovered discs. Two years later,"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "something crashed near Roswell, New"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "Mexico. Stalin had his top scientists"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "find out what it was. They told him it"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "wasn't American, and it certainly wasn't"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "Russian. It didn't match any craft on"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Earth. Now, the race was on."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "June 19th, 1948. It was less than a year"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "after Roswell. Radar operators at the"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "Kabooar rocket range picked up something"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "they couldn't identify. A fighter pilot"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "near the base saw it. It was silver and"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "shaped like a cigar. The base ordered"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "him to attack and the object hit him"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "with a beam of light that blinded him."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "After a three-minute dog fight, the"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "fighter and the UFO both went down. The"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "wreckage went into underground hangers"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "at the base. This was the Russian"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "Roswell. Kapustin Yar took in the"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "wreckage from at least eight UFO crashes"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "over the next 40 years."}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "In 1956, the Soviets built Siragan in"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "Kazakhstan. It was another secret range"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "in the desert and it was huge. about the"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "size of South Carolina. This is where"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "the Soviet Union tested its anti-missile"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "systems and laser weapons. Next to the"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "range, they built Priozorsk, the secret"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "city for the people who worked there."}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "The CIA wanted to know everything about"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "Siragon. One summer night in 1973, a"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "Soviet soldier on the range looked up"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "and saw a bright green circle in the"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "sky. As he watched, it grew into rings"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "of green light, one inside the other."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "There was no sound. A few minutes later,"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "it was gone. That soldier later left the"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "Soviet Union and the CIA questioned him."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "They asked about the units, the test"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "sites, the warheads, and the lasers. And"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "he told him about the green light, but"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "he had no idea what it was. But 4 years"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "later, a whole city saw something."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "It was 4 in the morning on September"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "20th, 1977. A bright star appeared near"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "a Soviet city by the Finnish border. It"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "moved slowly toward the city. Then it"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "burst open and rays of light hung down"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "over the streets. Witnesses said it"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "looked like a jellyfish."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> Yeah, jellyfish. I hate those guys."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:11", "text": ">> No brain, no heart, no face. Word to the"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "wise. If one of them sits down at your"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "poker table, swim as fast as you can."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": ">> I can't swim from a poker table."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": ">> Oh, sure you can. When you play hold"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "them against one of those translucent"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "bastards, you're the fish. For 12"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "minutes, it sent thin beams of light"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "down into the city. When it left, it"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "punched a hole through the clouds and"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "left a burning red hole."}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": ">> I didn't make a cream for that."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:34", "text": ">> Stop it."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": ">> 3 days later, it was on the front page"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "of Pravda. The Soviet government"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "couldn't laugh this one off. In 1978,"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "the Ministry of Defense and the Academy"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "of Sciences teamed up on a secret UFO"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "program. They called it SIKA. The"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "general staff put the entire Soviet army"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "on UFO watch across the whole country"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "for 10 years. Every sighting went to one"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "office at the Ministry of Defense. That"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "year, a UFO came down right on the Siran"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "Range and the debris was sent to several"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "research facilities. And just a few"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "years later, another UFO showed up and"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "almost started World War II."}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "October 4th, 1982, late at night at a"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "nuclear missile base in Ukraine, more"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "than 100 soldiers watched seven or eight"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "glowing objects gather into a string of"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "lights over the base. A radio operator"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "saw an enormous oval disc as big as a"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "five-story building. It had three"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "glowing sections. An officer watched a"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "smooth, perfect saucer make a sharp 90°"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "turn. The UFO stayed over the base for 4"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "hours. Then it split into pieces and"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "came back together. It moved at speeds"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "nothing on Earth could match."}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "Then inside the bunker, every display on"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "the launch panels lit up on its own."}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "Somebody or something entered the launch"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "codes and those missiles were aimed at"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "the United States. And now they were"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "ready to fire."}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "The officers at the controls couldn't"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "shut them down. Then the panels just"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "went dark again."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "Colonel Boris Sakalov Renetka for the"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "Ministry of Defense. His team flew in"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "from Moscow and took the control panels"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "apart. They found nothing wrong. The"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Ministry decided the UFO was sending a"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "message. And remember, the opposite"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "happened in the United States in 1967."}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "10-minute man missiles suddenly shut off"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "for no reason. I covered this in the"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "friendship case episode. I debunked most"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "of that story, but the missile failure"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "really happened."}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": ">> Well, you debunked it."}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:44", "text": ">> Most of it."}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": ">> Yeah, of course you did. You debunked"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "your own mother's meatloaf. It"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:49", "text": ">> It's my job."}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": ">> It's a sickness is what it is. Somebody"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "punched and launched coach from out of"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "space and you're checking if the guy get"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "his parking validated."}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": ">> Through the 1980s, the UFOs kept showing"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "up where the weapons were. In July 1989,"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "eight soldiers at Kabustin Yar watched a"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "disc about 15 feet across hover over a"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "depot."}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "It had a dull on top. It swept the depot"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "with a beam of light two or three times."}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "The base sent up a fighter jet, but"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "every time the jet got close, the disc"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "just moved out of range. The soldier"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "statements went to the KGB, and the KGB"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "sent them to the top research institute"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "in the Soviet space program. The Soviets"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "weren't just watching UFOs anymore. They"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "were studying them. On July 18th, 1991,"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "a classified research report went to"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "military unit 73790."}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "In Russian, it was knit three. In"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "English, thread 3. Thread 3 was about"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "how UFOs fly, just like Valeri's papers."}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "One month later, hardliners tried to"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "overthrow Gorbachev. The coup failed,"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "and by Christmas, there was no Soviet"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "Union. In Prizor, the secret work"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "stopped. Belier packed up and left. When"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "the offices closed, the program's files"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "scattered. A three-star general later"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "wrote the KGB loyalists took the UFO"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "files and hid them, and then the"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Americans came looking."}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "George Knap had been chasing UFO stories"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "since he broke the Area 51 story in"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "1989. Then a highle Russian scientist"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "came through Las Vegas. After a few"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "beers, Nap asked him about UFOs. The"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "scientist put him in touch with a former"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "KGB officer who had worked on UFO"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "reports."}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": ">> After a night of beers in Vegas, George"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "gets KGB secrets about UFOs. The best"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "thing I ever got was an awkward evening"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "with a cocktail waitress and a swim of"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "shame back to my car."}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": ">> The Soviet Union was gone, and people"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "who had kept secrets for decades were"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "suddenly willing to talk. It took 8"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "months to set up, but in 1993, Knap flew"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "to Moscow. He met more than a dozen"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "military officers, intelligence agents,"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "and scientists. And one of them was"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "Colonel Sakalov. Sakalov told NAP that"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Soviet fighter jets chased UFOs 40"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "times. Three times the pilots opened"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "fire and three jets fell out of the sky."}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "Two pilots died."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "After that, the orders were, \"Leave the"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "UFOs alone. It doesn't matter if they're"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "over the ocean or over a nuclear missile"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "facility. Pilots were ordered to not"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "engage. Nat came home with Soviet"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "documents."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": ">> We were able to talk these folks into"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "providing us information um that"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "otherwise we would never have seen. Some"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "of that was classified."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": ">> I found out that there they only stamped"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "the top pages of these documents that"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "were classified. So I just removed them."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "I removed those pages and I I carried"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "them out. And if they'd caught me, I'd"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "be in a goolog still."}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "Knap's Russian contact told him that 5"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "years earlier, everyone involved would"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "have gone to prison. 10 years earlier,"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "they would have been shot. Back home,"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "Knap shared what he found with Senator"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "Harry Reid and with the Senate"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "Intelligence Committee. NAP's files"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "helped start the Pentagon Secret UFO"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "Program, Advanced Aerospace Weapon"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "System Applications Program, OAP."}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:13", "text": ">> When the Pentagon's analysts went"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "through the Russian files, they found"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "that same military unit. It controlled"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "three separate UFO programs. The NAP"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "said something scary to the Americans."}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "It looked like the Russians were way"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "ahead of us as far as 30 years ago. The"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "Soviet program was gone, but Valieri"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "remembered all of it."}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "Then the government falls apart. the"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "entire system, you know, that that he"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "loved, his family benefited from and and"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "the family has a long history of being"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "good communist party members and, you"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "know, elevated positions and things like"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "that. Um, that all falls apart and so"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "then what do you do, right? Your nation"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "no longer exists. He's floating in a no"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "man's land between Kazakhstan and"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "Latvia."}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "where do you you know where do you take"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "this resume of what you've been doing"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "and and and and apply it?"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": ">> Then Valieri became a plumber and every"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "time he had a free minute he wrote he"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "kept the pages in his briefcase. He had"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "no lab, no team and he worked mostly for"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "memory. By 2009 he lived in Almani"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "Kazakhstan. That year he went online and"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "told strangers about his work. He had 82"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "pages starting with the paper on"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "Einstein. Then in 2012, Putin signed a"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "new treason law. Scientists who shared"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "their work with the West back in the"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "1990s were now criminals. Some of them"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "went to jail. Valier did the opposite of"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "hiding. That August, he uploaded his"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "papers to a Russian social media site"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "under his own name. There were more than"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "100 pages scanned one at a time. Once"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "his work was public, nobody could make"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "it disappear. And people noticed. The"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "first page had almost 3,000 views and"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "nearly 100 comments. One commenter"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "warned him that scientists in field like"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "his were dying. Belie wrote back, \"So"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "far, nobody's touching me. But I agree."}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "It's a dangerous business working on the"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "razor's edge. I'm not a genius. I'm a"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "simple engineer physicist in nuclear"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "physics and high energy physics. I love"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "reading the physics and psychopedia. It"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "will work. Theoretically, everything is"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "precisely calculated. There's just no"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "money. For the winter, I have four sacks"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "of potatoes, a sack of onions, and the"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "internet thrown in. Knowledge is unsold."}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "It's simply given to people."}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "He kept posting for a few more years. In"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "2017, he wrote his last words on that"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "site. Why does nobody want to know? In"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "December 2019, Delieri picked up the"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "phone. His grandson in America was into"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "aerospace. So he packed up his work and"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "sent it by DHL. On December 19th, 2019,"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "the CIA released its full report on the"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "green light over Sir Chagan. And 11 days"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "after that, Balieri was dead."}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "Back in America on August 23rd, 2025,"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "the FBI knocked on Jean's door. It was a"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "few weeks after the papers got to David"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "Grush. The girlfriend's photographs"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "never came. The next month, George Knap"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "went to Congress. He told him about"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "Thread 3. By then, it was more than a"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "report. It was a Soviet program to build"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "UFOs from crashes, landings, and"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "recovered material. Nap released the"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "pages from it. Gene looked at them and"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "saw his father-in-law's work. It was a"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "match, one for one. That September, Gene"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "ran into Nap at an event in Las Vegas."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": ">> So, there I am having my conversation"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "with Gino and George is walking by and I"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "just grabbed him quick and said, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "it's a one forone match, right?\" He knew"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "who I was. Um, it's a one for one match."}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "He says, \"I'd love to see it.\" I sent"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "sent him everything by email. Never, you"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "know, never heard anything."}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:05", "text": ">> Never heard anything back."}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:08", "text": ">> Yeah, that Gino is not Jean. That's"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "Gino, my brother, who you might know. I"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "know. It's"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "hard to follow. Not as hard as saying"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "Prio Zorksk a million times. Anyway, in"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "October, Jean spent four hours in Boston"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "with Lou Alzando, a former Pentagon"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "official. Allegedly, he showed Alzando"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "the papers."}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": ">> Once I showed him, you know, my"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "father-in-law's work, and he sort of"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "looked at it and was, you know, you know"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "what this is? I said, I know what it is."}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "You know what it is? He's like, I know"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "what it is."}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:39", "text": ">> Then George Knapp came up."}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": ">> Yeah. So, you know, he's he's like, you"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "know, I can call George right now."}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "George works for me. And I said, I was"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "like, no, you know, you don't have to"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "call him right now. I don't need his"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "boss calling him, you know, yelling at"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": ">> This is Lu Alzando saying this that"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "George works for him,"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:56", "text": ">> right? And and"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:58", "text": ">> what do you think that means?"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": ">> And that was the comment."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:05", "text": ">> In 2026, James Latsky published a book."}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "He ran OAP. Gene read it closely. Lowkey"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "wrote that 12 attachments from the"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "Soviet UFO files were missing and nobody"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "ever found them."}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:18", "text": ">> In chapter 17, James Lowsky writes twice"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "there are 12 appendices that were"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "supposed to be with the things that Nap"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "brought back that nobody ever found. My"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "father-in-law's works are 12 bodies of"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "work, 12 individual works. Give me, you"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "give me the odds that there's another"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "set of 12 Russian language UFO reverse"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "engineering documents"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "out there in the world that that that"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "nobody knows about."}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": ">> Those odds, by the way, are zero."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "A retired plumber in Gazakistan mailed"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "his family the plans for a flying saucer"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "and died a few weeks later. Then they"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "learned he worked in a city that doesn't"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "exist next to a range where the Soviets"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "watched UFOs. And his math matched what"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "American scientists built decades later."}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "Great story, but is it true? Well, the"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "papers are real and they're his. Priz is"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "real. The Soviet UFO program was real"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "and so is that magnet experiment in"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "Wisconsin. So, there are three"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "questions. When did he write those"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "pages? What did he really do for a"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "living? And did anybody ever catch up to"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "his math? Well, let's start with the"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "papers cuz everything comes back to"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "those. The story is that these were"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "secret Soviet papers, but Valieri never"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "kept them a secret. Starting in August"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "2012, he posted them on his social media"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "page under his own name for anybody to"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "read. Those scans match what was in that"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "DHL box, page for page, down to the rust"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "stains from the paper clips. Three years"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "before that, he offered strangers 82"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "pages of his work. There's no flying"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "saucer anywhere in those posts. And the"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "pages date themselves. One typed page"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "talks about 2004 like it's the present."}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "And it calls the Soviet Union the former"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "Soviet Union. The Einstein paper was"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "printed on a computer, not a typewriter."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "And that note about the UFO taking water"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "from the sun, well, in March 2012, a"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "NASA video of the sun went viral, and"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "people online said it showed a UFO at a"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "fuel stop. The page was written in 2012,"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "and it wasn't true. None of the 119"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "pages is stamped secret. None has a"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "signature or the name of an institute."}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "The pink sheet is his own handwritten"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "notes on making ball lightning. And he"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "says he never saw a craft. When he gives"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "the saucer size, he writes things like,"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "\"Let us take.\" most likely and perhaps"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "Jean said it himself."}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": ">> The documents themselves don't give any"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "reference point"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "um as to the the origins of what it is"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "that is being examined and detailed."}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:05", "text": ">> So the papers aren't Soviet documents."}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "They're one man's work written over many"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "years. And I want to be clear about"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "something. Nobody faked anything here."}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "These pages were online years before the"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "family opened that box. years before the"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "hearings in Congress and years before"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "that magnet in Wisconsin. Whatever the"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "papers are, they're real and they're"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "his. So, what did he really do for a"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "living? Only his girlfriend puts him in"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "Priozorsk and she hasn't said it in"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "public. Natalya's mother never named the"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "city. His school in Ria published its"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "1981 graduation list. His name isn't"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "there. Those lists don't cover every"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "program, so that isn't exactly the last"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "word. Online, Valeri wrote more than a"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "hundred comments about his work. He"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "never mentions a base, a unit, or having"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "a clearance. He called himself a simple"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "engineer. The only workplace he ever"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "names is a shipyard in Lengrad that he"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "visited in 1990. So, what did he do at"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "Priozor? Was he ever there? Nobody"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "knows. Now, the numbers. That 16.65"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "Tesla isn't a setting for his engine."}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "It's an estimate of the magnetic field"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "on the surface of the sun. Worked out"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "with his own theory. It's about 26 times"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "stronger than the strongest field anyone"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "has ever measured there. And on a later"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "page, he wrote that his reactor doesn't"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "need a field that strong. So the match"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "with Wisconsin is a guess about the sun"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "that landed near a magnet. In 2026, Gene"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "wrote his own analysis of the case. It"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "says the matching numbers don't prove"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "anything. Same with thread 3. The pages"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "Knack released are a Soviet research"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "plan from the late 1980s. They don't"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "share a single phrase, number, or"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "institute with the papers in the box."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "What they share is the number 12. And"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "Gene has said himself that he's not"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "saying that they're the exact same"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "pages. NAP hasn't said anything in"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "public about the papers, and nobody"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "recorded Jean's talk with Alzando, so"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "who knows? The Soviet program collected"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "about 3,000 reports. The people who ran"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "it found no landings and no contact."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "They found a natural explanation for"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "every case. Sounds familiar. When"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "Natalya wrote to Nap's old Russian"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "contact, he told her the same thing. And"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "he said he was sorry if it was a"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "disappointment. But a lot of the story"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "is true. The green light over Sir"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "Chagan, it happened. So is the Kapini"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "Yard disc of 1989 and the missile base"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "in 1982. An officer wrote that the"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "panels lit up for 15 seconds. The rest"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "of the story just grew over time. The"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "1948 dog fight first showed up in a"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "History Channel documentary in 2005. In"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "1998, Russian researchers went looking"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "for the underground hangers at Kabinar."}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "They found a bath house at a store room."}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:42", "text": ">> And nobody searched the bath house."}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:44", "text": ">> They searched it."}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": ">> That's where you kick lizard people."}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "It's steamy. Everybody's shedding and"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "nobody makes eye contact."}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": ">> They searched the bath house."}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:54", "text": ">> Then they're in the store room."}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": ">> The 40 chases come only from Sakalov's"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "interviews with Nap. And the jellyfish"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "was a rocket launch the government"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "didn't want to admit to because the"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "launch site was classified. and that"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "treason law. Putin signed the treason"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "law in November 2012, three months after"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "Valieri posted his papers. When a"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "stranger warned him, he wrote back that"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "nobody was touching him. The only death"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "notice we can find says that he died"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "after a long illness. And the CIA report"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "came out 11 days before he died. We know"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "that because John Greenwald asked for it"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "in January 2029. Now, it's a coincidence"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "and it's a creepy one, but I couldn't"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "find a solid connection. So maybe"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "Valieri never saw a UFO. Maybe the"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "refrigerator work was just"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "refrigerators. But here's what we know"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "for sure. Valieri never built his"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "machine. He had four sacks of potatoes"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "and an internet connection. And every"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "free minute he worked out how to fly to"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "the stars. He said knowledge shouldn't"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "be sold. It should be given to the"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "people. So he did that. He gave it away"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "online to anybody who wanted it. Then at"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "the very end, he gave that knowledge to"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "his grandson, a boy in America who loved"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "airplanes, just like Valieri did when he"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "was that age. The last thing Valeri did"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "was hand his dream to somebody young"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "enough to finish it. And I hope he does."}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "And when he does, I hope he gives away"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "that knowledge for free. Doing that"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "would make his grandfather proud. And I"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "can't think of anything more important"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "than that."}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "I'm AJ. There's heckle fish. Remember"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "kids, never trust a fish without a face."}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "I have a face, by the way. Heckish out."}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "This has been the W files. If you had"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "fun or learned something, I'd really"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "appreciate it if you like, subscribe,"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "comment, share. That stuff really helps"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "the channel. 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Whether it's on sale, no matter"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "what. 10% off. So, if you're gonna spend"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "40 bucks on merch, join, use the code."}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "It pays for itself. And just cancel. I"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "don't mind. That membership is not there"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "to make me money. It is there to save"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "you money. Besides, I don't touch any of"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "it. All that cash goes to the team. So,"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "you'd be helping to support those guys."}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": ">> Yeah. Keep that secret out of your"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "skills. Hey, boys."}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:50", "text": ">> Those are the plugs. And that's going to"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "do it. Wow. I'm I'm shooting. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "only like 11:00 p.m. I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "I'm going to do with the next six or"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "seven hours of my day. Those are plugs."}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "That's going to do it. Until next time,"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "be safe, be kind, and know that you are"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "appreciated."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "I play in Area 51. A secret code inside"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranal fun as well"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "as music singing like I should."}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "becomes the truth my friends"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "I feel the crab. 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If there are no"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "trays available, please fight over them"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "as we at the TSA take bets to see how"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "angry we can make you. If you become"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "violent in three minutes or less, I win"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "20 bucks. Step forward and have your"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "rights completely trampled by an angry"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "middle-aged man in a blue shirt. Once"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "you step through our X-ray machine that"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "may or may not cause cancer, we may"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "decide to put on plastic gloves and"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "fondle you in front of a group of"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "strangers. This is what we in the TSA"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "call the cherry on top."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> You good?"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "I've been wanting to get that off my"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "chest for a long time."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> And around the circle, sprinkle various"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "substances like salt and herbs. And for"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "especially evil demons, an animal like a"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "goat or a chicken would have to be"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "sacrificed."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> Salt and herbs on a dead chicken. That"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "doesn't sound like a ritual. It sounds"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "like a delicious recipe."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": ">> You're killing me, pal."}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": ">> Well, I'm sorry. I skipped lunch and you"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "tell me exorcisms use 11 herbs and"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "spices on chicken. What do you expect?"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "By the way, you and Colonel Sanders make"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "demons sound fingerlicking good."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> That was not my intention."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Now I know what a chicken's so"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "addicting. It's seasoned with evil."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> If you just let me get through this,"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "we'll grab lunch."}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> Chicken bucket from KFC."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> Is that even a question at this point?"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> My little butter cup has the sweetest"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "smile."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "Dear little buttercup, won't you stay a"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "while?"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "Come with me where moon beans paint the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "sky."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "And you and I might linger in the sweet"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "by and by."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "Dear little buttercup, with your eyes so"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "blue."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Oh, little buttercup, you're a dream"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "come true."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "You and I will settle down in a cottage"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "built for two. Oh, dear little"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "buttercup, I love you."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "Everybody, my little buttercup has the"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "sweetest."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "The little buttercup, won't you stay up?"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "You need a job? You and I will settle"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "down in a cottage built for two."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "Dear little butter cup, three little"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "butter cup,"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> my little butter cup. I love you."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": ">> Sometimes the differences between"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "universes are small. Like there's a"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "reality where maybe I have a different"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "set"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "or a different sidekick."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. What are we talking"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "about today? Belle's hole. I love Mel's"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "Hole. If I had my way, we'd get into"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "Mel's hole every day."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": ">> Well, that was weird. Hey, is there a"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "reality where I'm the host of the show"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "and you're the sidekick?"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": ">> Today we're going deep inside Mel's"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "hole."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": ">> Do we have to keep making that joke?"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "It's It's getting a little stale, don't"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "you think?"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": ">> Shut up, human. I'm the host of this"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "show. You hear me? Me? Me? Be quiet or"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "I'll turn off your oxygen. I'LL TELL YOU"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "WHEN IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO SPEAK."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> YEAH, but"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> silence."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Oh, I like that one."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Born into a devoutly Catholic family,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Analise Michelle had a normal childhood."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> Uh, what kind of name is anal ease?"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Analise,"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> what I say?"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> She was children's game from the UK"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "called Tiggy Touchwood, which is"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "essentially a game of tag."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": ">> Now, what?"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> Touchwood."}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> Don't be an infant."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Burst. So, if these other universes"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "exist, can we visit them? I'd like to go"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "to that universe where I'm the host of"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "the show."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> You promise to behave, then I'll turn"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "your oxygen back on. Promise?"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": ">> I promise. Promise."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:09:00", "text": ">> Good human. Now, tell me, who's the"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "boss? Who's the boss?"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Tony Danza."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Oh, you think that's funny, huh? What if"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "I put helium down your tube instead?"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "Huh?"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> I'm begging you. Oh, no. Oh, no."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": ">> Oh, really? Really? Does Does this make"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "you happy? Does this make you feel good?"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> It kind of does, actually."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Some say this was how the count was able"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "to talk his way out of the English"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "prison."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:23", "text": ">> Jedi mind trick."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> I'm not the count you're looking for."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> You're not the count we're looking for."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> Move along."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> Move along."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> Move along."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": ">> Move along."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "Cross over the children. All are"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "welcome. All welcome. Go into the light."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> No. You said don't go into the light."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> There is peace and serenity."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> You good?"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> I didn't get it."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> Don't you hate that?"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Good tight."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": ">> Think of a nightclub or a concert where"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "you could just you could feel the bass."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Crap."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": ">> Fear the crab cat."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> Yeah, I know. Fear the crab cat."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> Okay, I won. Now we get to do the bit."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": ">> I I really I really don't want to do it."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> We had a deal. Fangi rule of acquisition"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "16 says"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": ">> a deal is a deal. I know. You don't have"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "to quote the rules of acquisition for"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "me. Grab your sweater. It's showtime."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> Crap."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> Oh, are you the new butler human?"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> It's been a long time since I've been"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "the new anything."}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": ">> Oh, I'm Heglefish. I live down the road."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "Oh, you're the human from America."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": ">> News sure travels fast, doesn't it?"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> Pleased to meet you. Oh, you're the one"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "who sings, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> Well, right or wrong. I look, I don't"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "want to do this. I feel stupid. This"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "sweater is ridiculous."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> A deal is a deal. Do it. Fine."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": ">> Oh, by the way, those sweaters are"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "available in the Wi-Fi store."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> Are we plugging merch or doing this"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "stupid dip?"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Hang on. Hang on."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "Where are we? Uh, okay. Got got it. Got"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "it. Oh, you're the one that sings,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": ">> Well, right or wrong, I sing anyway."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> I sing, too."}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": ">> Oh, good. What kind of singing?"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> Uh, mostly contemporary stuff. Uh, do"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "you like modern music?"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": ">> Oh, I think it's marvelous. Some of it"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "really, really fine. But tell me, do you"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "ever listen to any of the older fellas?"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": ">> Oh, sure. I like David Bowie and uh"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Bananaama."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Oo, you go back that far, huh?"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm not as young as I look, eh?"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> Well, none of us is these days."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> Yeah. In fact, I have a six-year-old"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "guppy. Look at this here. This song is"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "my guppy's favorite. You know this one?"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> Oh, I do indeed. It's a lovely thing."}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "They told me"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "a newborn king to see"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "our finest gifts we bring. A rubber bum"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "bum rubber bum bum rubber bum bum."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Peace on earth."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Can it be"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": ">> from now? Perhaps we'll see."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> See the day of glory."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "See the day when fish of good will live"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "in peace. Live in peace again."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> Peace."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> Can it be?"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "Every"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "must be made aware."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "Every Gabby must be made to care"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "enough for his fellow man to give all"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "the love a daddy."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "I pray my wish"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> will come true."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "I see"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:42", "text": ">> for"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "yours too."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> You'll see the day of glory."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:14:00", "text": ">> See the day when fish of good will live"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "in peace. Living in peace again."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "Can it be?"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Can it be?"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "It's pretty thing, isn't it?"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": ">> Merry Christmas everybody."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "I play a scenario. 51. A secret code"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "inside the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "I love my UFO and paran"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "singing like I should"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "I feel the crap. I got stuck inside"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "of being only true."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "Did Stanley fake the moon alone on a"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "film? where the shadow people"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "also."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "One"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "through the night."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "The midnight and the solar storm still"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "come to the secret city underground."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Mysterious"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "number"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "is so I can't believe"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "All I ever wanted to hear"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "all through the night"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "on Thursday When they"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "all"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "hear the truth"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "all"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "loves to dance"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "to dance"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "Thank you for watching the After Files"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "live stream. This is not a professional"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "production. We don't know why anyone"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "watches this thing, but we're glad you"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "do. And now to kick off the show is"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "everyone's favorite sidekick, the one,"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "the only, hecklefish."}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "Welcome back."}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "Your dreams were your ticket out."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "Welcome back to that same old place that"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "you laughed about."}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Well, the names have changed since you"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "hung around, but those dreams have"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "remained and they turn around."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "Who the thought they lead you?"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> Who the thought they lead you?"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:27", "text": ">> Where we need you."}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": ">> Where we"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "got them on. Welcome back."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "Welcome back."}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "Welcome back."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "Welcome back. Welcome back."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "Welcome back. Welcome back."}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "That's on. Is this on too? I'm echoing."}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "It's not Wasn't off to a great start."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "I haven't I haven't been live in so long"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "that the camera's battery was dead. I"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "scrambled. I found a webcam or on the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "fly"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "as you might have seen earlier. It's not"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "a professional operation. Never claimed"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "it was. Hey, who's here? I see Paul is"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "here. Good to see Paul. Uh there's"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "Kathern Hendrick. Good to see you."}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "Momies is there."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": ">> Thomas Kinch teach is here. Always good"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "to see teach"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "glaucom."}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "Speaking of glaucoma, I think I have the"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "wrong glasses on. There's Jason. I see"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "you. This good to see you. The south 13"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "is here. Taylor M87. I see this chat is"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "going fast. I think they put it in slow"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "mode."}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "Go over here."}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "Why did you point to his love?"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": ">> Sounds low."}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:02", "text": ">> Go. Hi."}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": ">> Are you getting echo?"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:13", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": ">> This just fix the echo."}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:31", "text": ">> No. No. I add these here."}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "Oh, that should work. Okay. And uh Am"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "I still echoing?"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": ">> Damn it. I hear it, too."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": ">> All right, hang on. Let me see if I can"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "fix this."}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "Oh, he went by. Hi everybody. How we"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "doing?"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "We are back. Hey Gino."}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "I don't hear you."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "I know it's not a professional"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "operation, guys. This is Nope."}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "No Gino voice."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "Do you guys hear me? You"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "still"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": ">> It is."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "Try it again."}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "I'll try something else."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:36", "text": ">> Gino, I don't hear you at all. Do you"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "guys hear me? Okay, great. Yeah, it's"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "not a professional operation. We're all"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "spread out all over the place. I'm in"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "Dallas. AJ is back in Vegas. It's just"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "it's it's chaos."}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "And Gino went by again. So,"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": ">> I didn't give I didn't give myself"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "enough time. But you didn't I think I"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": ">> I think I can What if I"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": ">> No, no, no. I I think I have an idea."}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": ">> Boy, I haven't I haven't used this"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "workstation."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:17", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "This is crazy. Yeah, I'm clear because"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "I'm talking from my laptop on vacation."}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "How did that astronics? They went really"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "fast and it's far apart. That's how they"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "got through the Van Allen belt."}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "Yeah, I know. I'm the only one with no"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "audio problems. And I was not even going"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "to hop on today. I had a an event I was"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "going to and I hopped on last minute and"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "mine's the only one that works."}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "Hello everybody. It is a scop. You guys"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "fixed it. And I'm like, if I don't sign"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "on, like Reddit is going to go nuts."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "They're going to be like, I knew it."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "They got divorced"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "now. Gino's calling me on the phone."}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": ">> Hello."}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:23", "text": ">> Hi."}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": ">> Who's that?"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "I turn that off."}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "That's a little better."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "Okay. I'll tell him."}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:44", "text": ">> Is that bad news?"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "No, the background on the screen is from"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "Gino's One Step Beyond Reality. It's not"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "from the Y Files"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "because for some reason this is up on"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "the Bunker Company Streamyard, not Wfile"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "Streamyard."}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": ">> That's because I allowed"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": ">> people invited to to stream to their own"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "channels and Gino's a promoter."}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": ">> Oh, you um aren't echoing anymore."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "I'm not."}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:13", "text": ">> No, I don't know. I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "happened"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": ">> because I am in my own ears."}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": ">> You're not to me."}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:21", "text": ">> All right. Hey, hang on."}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:22", "text": ">> Let me see if I can get rid of the buds"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "and still hear you."}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "This isn't going to work."}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": ">> You just need to be louder."}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:34", "text": ">> But you're not echoing."}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:36", "text": ">> I am or I'm not."}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": ">> You're not."}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "I am a little bit, but if you don't hear"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "it, that's okay."}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": ">> We don't hear it. Everybody over here is"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "saying no. Echo. Echo's gone, bro. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Paul. It really does feel like old"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "times, doesn't it?"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "Thank you, Chris. That's very nice of"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "Thank I don't know. I would have just"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "been"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "floundering for an hour."}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:10", "text": ">> Floundering?"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:11", "text": ">> How is it going in Dallas?"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:13", "text": ">> What are you doing there?"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": ">> Hm."}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "What am I doing here? I am at VidSummit,"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "which is so YouTube hosts VidCon, which"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "is like the for fans to come and meet"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "their favorite creators and stuff like"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "that. And then they also host Vid Summit"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "which is for the operators of the"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "channels to get together and you know"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "learn things and do stuff. So I'm here"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "with Joey our president."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "So but I'm back tomorrow."}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:45", "text": ">> Yay."}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:47", "text": ">> Yay."}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:50", "text": ">> No is not echoing. So I'll read some"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "super chats and then uh we'll bring you"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "guys up. But I'm still echoing in my"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "ear. It's driving me nuts."}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "We'll fix we'll fix it next time."}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "Who's your quantum sledgehammer? Always"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "very reliable. Holy mother of pearl."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "It's a long lost episode of the after"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "files."}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "That's what I'm talking about."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "Thursday night is complete. Takes me"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "back to a time when life was simpler."}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "Amen, brother. Was on Thursday night."}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "How much simpler could it be? You're"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "very welcome. Thank you for that that"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "super chat. Always first. Uh, new"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "member. New members get 10% off"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "everything in the W file store. Oh, I I"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "I used to start with plugs even, right?"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "Is that what I used to do?"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "I I don't remember how to how to switch"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "it to"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "There we go."}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "All right. We waited 18 minutes so I can"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "do plugs."}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "I don't think I've been on the new"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "website yet."}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "What What do you want me to plug?"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "Whiskey."}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:00", "text": ">> Yes. Oh, I didn't know it was on."}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": ">> Where? Where do I find it?"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:04", "text": ">> Up at the top."}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:06", "text": ">> Oh, the dogs are going crazy. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "to have to do the horn."}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": ">> I don't think I've showed you guys the"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "horn yet. We have dogs next door. It's"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "not the dogs fault that they bark"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:15", "text": ">> like lunatics. It's the owner's fault"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "because they they leave them outside and"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "go to work."}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:22", "text": ">> So, I installed in my backyard like a"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "giant train horn. not like from a semi"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "truck, from a freight train and rigged"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "it up with a Ryobi drill and a remote."}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "And when those dogs go for more than 90"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "seconds, they get the horn"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:39", "text": ">> and those dogs shut up."}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": ">> Up at the top, see the"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": ">> bad owners. All right. So, where do we"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:45", "text": ">> up at the very top?"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": ">> Whiskey from here though, right?"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": ">> Uh yeah, up at the very top. You see the"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "crabcat whiskey. Last one. There you go."}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "Oh, so you go to spiritsofthe"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "wfalls.com. Yes, I am well over 21"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "ina in case you guys haven't seen this"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "yet."}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": ">> That's crabcat straight bourbon whiskey."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "That's I don't think do I have any here"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "to show?"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": ">> You should. You better."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": ">> I'm failing on all levels. Left them at"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "the office."}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "It's 105 proof."}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "So, um I don't know how many bottles we"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "have left, but not too many left. If you"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "want to grab some CrabCap whiskey, it's"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "tasty. It's high proof. It It's a great"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "bottle."}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:28", "text": ">> Got some"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:29", "text": ">> I think we might do tequila next."}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": ">> All right, that's whiskey. Victoria,"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "what's next? Let's get the plugs out of"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "the way. What else?"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": ">> All right, we're gonna We We've got"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "Crabcat whiskey uh labels that you'll"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "sign. So, that was on the page that you"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "had before."}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": ">> You'll you'll sign them."}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "So if you're they're not a drinker, they"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "can have a label."}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": ">> So this thing right here."}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:30:00", "text": ">> 10 bucks."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": ">> It's got signature."}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:06", "text": ">> I wolfed two frozen White Castles on the"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "fly because it was an emergency"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": ">> and you don't want to eat White Castle"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "in an emergency."}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "That's all I had."}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "All right. What else do I need to plug?"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "Victoria, let's got to get on with the"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "show"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": ">> after after that. The only thing for"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "Crabcat is the poster. We got a cool"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "poster, too."}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:33", "text": ">> This thing."}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": ">> There you go. That one. That baby."}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:36", "text": ">> Now, how much is she charging for this?"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> 20."}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:39", "text": ">> 20 bucks."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:42", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:44", "text": ">> For a little piece of paper?"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "It's a big piece of paper. It's 18 by"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "24. It's"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": ">> big. See, it's big."}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:52", "text": ">> All right. No, don't buy those. Yes."}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "Don't buy those. If you're going to buy"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "anything,"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:57", "text": ">> you're ripping them off. I don't like"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": ">> If you're going to buy anything, become"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "a member on YouTube. You get 10% off%"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "off everything in the store and then you"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "can just make your purchase and cancel"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "your membership. It's totally fine. So,"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "that's that's the secret. Members get to"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "I think a new code came out today. Do we"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "make sure to post that on backstage"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "because I think we've been forgetting."}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": ">> We did. We have been forgetting but we"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "we we've posted it."}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:21", "text": ">> The"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": ">> All right. She did a great job as"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "always. There is upgrade Jeff gifting"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "five memberships to the chat. Appreciate"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "that. There's Dink's always reliable."}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "Ching. I appreciate the tip human. Time"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "to hit the tables, baby."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "Hey, just wanted to get in early and say"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "good night and enjoy the madness that is"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "the after files. It's It's matter than"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "usual. Matter than usual. There's Mike"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "G. It's good to see all the same names"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "coming back. Welcome back. Good to see"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "you, Mike G."}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "And there's Paul. Feels good to be back."}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "Same here."}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "Paul drops $100 into the tip jar. Tip"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "jar. I know what that means."}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "human."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "I want you to know I said human. Thank"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "you for all the dough tipping."}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "As I'm sure you will find,"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "always is a good time."}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "Ooh. It's fun to tip the f i sh. It's"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "fun to tip the f i sh."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "Now I was so hyped when I got the"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "notification for this. Takes me back to"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "the good old days. I used to plan my"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "whole week around Thursday night episode"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "drops and the after files. I miss those"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "days too, Paul. Those were simp simpler"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "times."}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "There's Zeb the super fan. Uh Zeb, I got"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "your email. I owe you a reply, but I did"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "see it. Thank you for reaching out. We"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "are so back. Ground rules for those new"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "to the Act Files. No hitting on Vic and"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "Jen. No feet talk and no politics."}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "#mount exploit deleted haze."}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "A little bit of feet talk is probably"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "okay, right?"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "We're going to have to redo that um"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "studio intro because you got too skinny."}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "Doesn't even look like you."}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": ">> Yep. We lost the co."}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:30", "text": ">> You got skinny."}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:32", "text": ">> We all did."}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": ">> And the studio looks way different now."}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "Anyway, everything's all moved around"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "and the wall is almost full of posters."}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "shout out to Gary. Nerd Rotic just just"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "dropped a hundo on us."}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": ">> Nerotic is here. Hail Neurotic."}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "Hail Nerdic. We're huge fans of Nerotic."}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "And check out um the talk I have with"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "Gary on the basement"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:58", "text": ">> if you're a Neurotic fan. We'll like"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "that a lot. I don't think I got Carrie"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "to cry though."}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:04", "text": ">> But I am up to seven. Seven grown men"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "I've made cry on that shot."}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "I got and it came closed on a couple of"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "And by the way, this is between us."}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "Don't tell anybody that I do that. You"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "know, make like a seven-year-old man cry"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "and I'll walk out of the studio and be"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "like, \"Yes,"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> yes.\" Emotional penetration."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "So, I tried to penetrate Gary, but he"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "wasn't having it."}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "He got through Falsome fine. He was"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "going to get through the basement just"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "fine."}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:39", "text": ">> You're a mess."}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> All right, there she goes."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "At Finator, Miss Thursday night's"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "welcome back to that same old place that"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "you laughed about. That song still holds"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "up, doesn't it? Or am I just too old?"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "Like that song holds up. And the Cheers"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "theme. Now, I like that one, too. But"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "Welcome back just seemed right tonight."}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "PC. Uh, thank you for the 20 bucks."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "Appreciate that. Who else we have in"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "here? There's Jason 8610. You all have"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "helped me get through hell recently."}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "Sorry to hear that, brother, but when"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "you're going through hell, just keep on"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "going. You're going to be fine. Hang in"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "there. This two shall pass. Uh, P"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "Patriot Pirate, is there a way I can"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "send you a copy of my book? Yeah, you"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "can find our mailing address on the um"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "the banner of the site. It's up there."}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "happy to to uh if you're gonna inscribe"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "it just penmanship goes a long way like"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "h what what I'm going to read"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "just they can attest to this like I get"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "a lot of books but if if it's nice"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "penmanship that's what dad used to call"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "it handwriting penmanship just sounds"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "penmanship if it's nice penmanship I"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "will read it I'll thumb through it but"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "if it's like the scrawlings of a circle"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "the letters murderer and it's six pages"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "of manifesto though with sketches of"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "bodies in the backyard buried under the"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "pool. I'm not making this up. I don't"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "even touch that."}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": ">> So, nice penmanship. Keep it keep it"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "piffy"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "and we'll read it and I'm happy to write"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "you back."}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:11", "text": ">> Didn't we get like an eight page"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "manifesto the other day?"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:13", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:14", "text": ">> we get many. And the letters are all"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "square like they were drawn with a rule."}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "Like it looked like a circle of the"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "letter"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": ">> in capitals. And there were ciphers in"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "the letter."}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:24", "text": ">> No return address."}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:27", "text": ">> Terrifying."}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:27", "text": ">> No return address."}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:33", "text": ">> Hang. I got to show you."}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:36", "text": ">> Uh, is my audio working?"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": ">> Yay."}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:39", "text": ">> We did it."}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:41", "text": ">> What do we do?"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:42", "text": ">> We all have audio working."}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:45", "text": ">> I don't"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "I don't I'm still echoing. I'm just glad"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "you guys can't hear it."}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "All right, there they go. Where was I?"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "Wrong glasses. Um,"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "Rick Bone, I'd like to see you cover"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "last Thursdays."}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "I never heard of that."}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "I got to bring him back. I I never heard"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "of that."}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "I have no idea what that is."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": ">> Do you know things that we used to do on"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "the after files? It"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:21", "text": ">> Yeah, it must be. Uh since we were doing"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "every week, we would talk about who said"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "what. Uh I I think uh we're probably"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "talking about uh weird things that Vic"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "would would say that was a little bit uh"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "strange. I don't know. You know how she"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "says some words that are, you know, just"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "a little off."}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "We love that."}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:43", "text": ">> You're the one AJ, you're the one who"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "points it out in the in our meetings."}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:50", "text": ">> she has some funny funny phrases. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "guess we can't say it. What what"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "Victoria says when she gets startled"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "like if if you like jump out and scare"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "someone, they go,"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:07", "text": ">> \"Not Victoria.\" What does she do, Jen?"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:09", "text": ">> She goes, \"Ah, Ephoduck."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "But she says the whole"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> she says the whole word."}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:16", "text": ">> It's spontaneous."}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:18", "text": ">> Is it though?"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:20", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:22", "text": ">> It was so before you even know the theme"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "of tonight's show. We never have a"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "theme. Um I know your view on people"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "like Alzando. Do you view them all the"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "same? No. Would you have someone like"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "David Grush on the basement? Maybe. I'm"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "warming up to Grush. It's still a no."}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "But it's a soft no cuz on the show I"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "don't want I don't want it to be a"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "confrontational show. I want to I want"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "to hear stories and if I don't trust the"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "person sitting across from me I I can't"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "have an honest conversation."}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "So I know that Grush and Alzando and"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "they would get big numbers on the"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "basement. I know they would."}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "But you don't want to see me just sit"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "there like this"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "sucking my teeth."}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "Man, you didn't see nothing."}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "You didn't see nothing. You know, you"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "don't want to see that"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:10", "text": ">> liar."}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "I would just love to see you do that."}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:15", "text": ">> But I'm I'm warming up to to Grush. Uh-"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "because um a lot of people that I trust"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "vouch for him."}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": ">> The echo is driving me nuts."}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:24", "text": ">> I don't hear it."}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:26", "text": ">> Where am I at? Gray man media, welcome"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "back. When will we see a W files on the"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "KBC void our galaxies trapped in? I"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "don't even think Art Bell covered it"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "before he died."}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "I haven't covered that. I'm gonna have"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "to have to look that up."}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "KBC void."}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "Okay. The KBC void is also known as the"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "local hole. It's a massive underdense"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "region of space roughly two billion"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "lighty years"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "in diameter that contains our Milky Way"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "near its center. What is can you see?"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "It's not empty space. It is not a"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "complete vacuum or literal hole. rather"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "it's a region with a galaxy density"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "roughly 20% uh lower than cosmic"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "average."}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "That might be a cool story in there"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "somewhere."}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "I like um Travis Taylor's idea that"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:13", "text": ">> we could just be in a black hole in"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "someone else's sky. That's what every"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "universe is. It just we're just in a"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "black hole in someone else's sky."}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": ">> That's a good That's a good basement to"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "watch. That's He's a smart he's a smart"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "dude if you get past the accent."}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "Uh WRD is here and thank you for the G"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "library interesting topics and theories."}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "I'm using your library as an inspiration"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "to write a novel."}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:36", "text": ">> All right, make sure you send me a copy"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "of that"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:44", "text": ">> and residuals from the five peon goss"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "girl at 6 million. Great to see you all."}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "Is that what's going down?"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "Tell me something I don't know. Where's"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "Chino Ocean? Where he go? Tell me"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "something I don't know. Where's Gino? Oh"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "shit. Where he go? Jet setting betting"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "at the regular scenes worldwide."}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:09", "text": ">> Is that girl still in the fridge at at"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "work?"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:16", "text": ">> Uh it's at work for sure. And I think uh"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "we're going on five years old now."}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:19", "text": ">> Five years old."}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:22", "text": ">> Well, they they went out of business."}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "They uh the first few months of COVID,"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "so whatever that equals out to. So"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "drinking that might be some fermented uh"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:33", "text": ">> Gross."}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:36", "text": ">> But if you are feeling thirsty, you"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "could try our new crabcat straight"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "whiskey. Get it right now."}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "Spiritwife.com."}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "It's limited edition. There's only a few"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "left. Limited run. We might do another"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "run though. I think we only did a"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "thousand bottles. Might do another"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "thousand."}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "All right. There we go."}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "Got it in."}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "There is Yan Le. Good to see the after's"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "back. We're barely We're limping along"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "here, man. We're not. We're limping"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "along. Dancing the pedals. Thank you for"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "10 bucks. LRP. Uh, very reliable."}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "Gifting 20 memberships. So, you got your"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "membership."}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "I might as well go to uh"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "might as well go to the Wi-Fi store,"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "shop at wfile.com, use your membership,"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "get 10%. I'm just kidding. I'm just kid."}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "I'm not I'm not gonna do that. That's"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "it. That's enough. Stop it. That's"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "enough."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": ">> Can I Can I answer a question?"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:31", "text": ">> Okay. So, people were asking if he could"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "sign the bottles and he cannot because"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "we can't legally ship the whiskey. We"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "have to ship it through a liquor"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "distributor. So, it it comes from them."}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "So, we can do the signed labels, but we"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "can't sign the bottles, right?"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "And it only ships in the continental US."}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:55", "text": ">> But the store ships now to the UK."}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "That's changed."}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:57", "text": ">> Uh, yes."}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:00", "text": ">> We tried to do it international. Can't"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "be done."}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:02", "text": ">> Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": ">> All right. Moving on."}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:06", "text": ">> O. Aa. Enjoy your new podcast, The"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "Basement. Who's been your favorite host"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "so far? I would be probably my favorite"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "host would be me. favorite guest."}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "I'd have to weigh that."}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "Maybe Eric Wargo"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "because he changed my thinking a lot of"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "things. But uh but Peter Levenda, I just"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "laughed and laughed. It's the only time"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "the only time I've I have used swear"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "words on the show and was like"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "victorious is effed duck. Peter Levent,"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "if you got kids listening, hold your"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "ears because I'm going to do I'm gonna"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "not gonna bleep it. He's telling"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "stories. His stories are crazy. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "just sitting there go, normally I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "prepared. I'm asking questions. You"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "know, I'm a professional. And I'm going"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "like this."}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "Oh, effing way. Shut up. Get the hell"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "out of, you know, I'm I cuz I couldn't"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "believe the stories how he sneaks into"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "Bobby Kennedy's funeral dressed as a"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "bishop"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "and walks by the the body and there's"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "Jackies there and stuff. He did that"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "when he was 19."}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "The Stones,"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "graduated from the same high school as"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "my dad, one year apart. Very, very"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "weird. Uh, Relic, longtime watcher, new"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "sub. You guys are awesome. Someday I'll"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "afford the Patreon."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "If Well, you spent five bucks on a super"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "chat, which means we only got to keep"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "maybe $2 of it. You could have spent $3"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "on Patreon and saved money and we would"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "have kept more. You see how everything"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "just it just fell to pieces. It just did"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "not work out for you. Rook,"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "we'll get you next time."}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "There is brash for 20 bucks."}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:56", "text": ">> Won't"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "you tip me? You know I don't believe you"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "when you say you don't got money. Won't"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "you tip me?"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "You know I can't believe it when you say"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "that I'm not funny. I write too many"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "jokes just to amuse you folks. You"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "better super chat me or I'll just keep"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "sing."}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "We lost you. No, we lost you."}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:42", "text": ">> Crap."}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> He was messing around trying to fix the"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "echo in his ear"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:47", "text": ">> cuz it's echoing in my ear driving me"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "crazy."}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:52", "text": ">> We hear you now."}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:56", "text": ">> All right, hang on. I I I I like I can't"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "let it stand."}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:04", "text": ">> Well, we don't hear the echo right now."}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> No, but I hear it. Like I hear my voice."}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "You guys hear me now? Ah,"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:10", "text": ">> you guys"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "got mix minus on."}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:20", "text": ">> How about that?"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:23", "text": ">> You sound good for us."}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:25", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:25", "text": ">> that sounds good."}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:32", "text": ">> Yeah, you sound good for us."}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:36", "text": ">> It's a little low. Oh"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:38", "text": ">> yeah, that's an interesting clue."}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:40", "text": ">> That's an interesting clue. I have one"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "button"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "I have one button off"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "and I and I'm dying to just troubleshoot"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "it live."}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "This is I don't know why anyone"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:56", "text": ">> This live stream is so disappointing."}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "Just so so so disappointing."}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "Um, speaking of, I think we're about two"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "weeks out when we're going to hang out"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "with with Bill."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:05", "text": ">> We're going to be in LA hanging out with"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "Bill Shatner at his studio just chopping"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "it up."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:09", "text": ">> Yep. So,"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": ">> I'm going to do my best not to freak"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:14", "text": ">> Is Gary still in the chair? Is Gary"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "freaking out? But I'm going to go chill"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "with Shatner for an hour."}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "When you're 97 and you give people an"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "hour of your time, that's valuable time."}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:25", "text": ">> You know what I'm saying? What?"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:26", "text": ">> Cuz any"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:28", "text": ">> true"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:29", "text": ">> any day is your day."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:31", "text": ">> I didn't think about that."}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> Did you guys watch his metal performance"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "in Chicago?"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> It was It was just and I just saw him"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "doing this."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:46", "text": ">> I couldn't hardly hear him. Just a"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "couple things."}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:50", "text": ">> Has been That's my That's my favorite"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "record of his. I think it's for 2003"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "2004 with Ben Folds. That's probably on"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "my top fives that I take to an island"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "would be has been. I will we'll chatter."}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:04", "text": ">> Bubba, when am I going on Friday night"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "tights? I've never been invited, but to"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "be honest, I wouldn't be that good on"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "that show. I don't know enough about the"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "topics. What What are you laughing at,"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "Jennifer?"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:15", "text": ">> You have to been invited."}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "X-ray girls invited you on Forbidden"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "Frontier, which is more my speed because"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "I know something about that stuff."}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:23", "text": ">> That's what I meant. But Friday Night"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "Tights is, you know, it's all the pop"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "culture that I only have a surface"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "knowledge of."}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "You know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "Gary and his team are the warriors."}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "They're the soldiers in the in the"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "trenches. You know, I'm a civilian"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "rooting for them."}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:40", "text": ">> So to have me on Friday Night Heights,"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "I'd be like, \"Yeah, I didn't see it. No,"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "I didn't watch it. No, I didn't read"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "it.\""}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "Is that paru? Any plans episodes on"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "lucid dreaming or operation mockingb"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "bird? Lucid dreaming probably going to"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "do something on the patriot. Operation"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "mocking bird I don't want to do"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "it's still going on and I and I it would"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "be dishonest for me to do that operation"}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "mocking bird and not name the names"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "of the people in the media that are"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "definitely definitely assets that you"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "definitely know by name. Some of which"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "have tried to get on the basement and"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "have been declined."}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "no."}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "I'm trying not to get in trouble. Try"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "not to get in trouble."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "Uh, first ever live. Loving it. Are you"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "though? This is my comfort show and so"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "grateful for you uh for all and this"}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "page."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "I appreciate you, Anthony."}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "20 minutes behind, but welcome back. My"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "favorite work pastime. Thanks, Tyler."}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "And next we got Chris Chris Hopper 5362."}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "How many super chats I have left. I'm"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "trying to I'm trying to read everybody."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "Not Not It's not too bad."}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:54", "text": ">> Not too bad."}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:55", "text": ">> Um Chris is excited to see the after"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "files again."}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": ">> Yikes. Sounds like someone combs their"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "hair with a brick."}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:03", "text": ">> And there's Paul. Want to get a Gino"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "story hour tonight? We have a We have a"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "Where's Gino segment tonight which"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "you're probably going to run? We're"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "going to run that around 7:15."}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "We got five pound from Victoria. Can you"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "ship to the UK?"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:16", "text": ">> I think so."}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:18", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:21", "text": ">> we can ship We can't ship the whiskey,"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "but we can ship other merchandise."}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:24", "text": ">> No whiskey."}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:28", "text": ">> No whiskey."}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": ">> They like their whiskey over there."}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": ">> All right. The fire guy's excited to see"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "us live."}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "is Rick Bow and last Thursday is is the"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "idea that everything was created last"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "Thursday of the illusion of memories and"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "history having a more distant past."}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "That's had not heard of that before."}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:51", "text": ">> Going to write it down."}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:53", "text": ">> There's Chris try."}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "Did I over talk someone because I'm just"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "talking over my echo."}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> That's what I'm doing."}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "Chris tried to go to the whiskey page on"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "mobile and it just shows a bunch t-shirt"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "placeholder icon that you can't click"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "on. I'm not sure if it's a mobile thing."}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:12", "text": ">> It's Canada. He's Canada."}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:14", "text": ">> Oh, I'm sorry. There's nothing we can do"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "about that. So sorry."}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Nebraska George Knap ever be a"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "guest? I'd love to. I mean, Gino is very"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "tight with George."}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "I think George wants to have a reason to"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "come in,"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "but I would just want to"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "hear him talk about stuff. We'll have"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": ">> He broke he broke the Area 51 story. He"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "broke the Bible as our story"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "as a legend."}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "Uh so the answer is yes. He will come in"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "at some point. No question about it. Uh"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "Gear Dur Derback uh GQ here. I wrote a"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "ghost story book available on Amazon."}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "It's called Whisper. Way to sneak a plug"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "in for $10. Nicely done."}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "Nicely done."}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "Because I just read it like Ron"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "Burgundy. So, if you're going to plug"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "your band or your book or your whatever"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "thing you're selling,"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "I'll read it."}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "The beard the beard codes love loves us."}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "Love you too, beard."}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "Oh, those those nicotine pouches are"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "old."}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": ">> Those are old."}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "They're like It's like dusty."}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "It's pulling all the moisture out of my"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "mouth."}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": ">> I got cat hair."}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:39", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:49", "text": ">> someone said AJ needs a beard."}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": ">> AJ doesn't need a beard. Any kind of"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "beard."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": ">> Trying to see if I have some fresh"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "nicotine pouches in there."}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": ">> Jenny, why don't you go ahead and read a"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "super chat or two? Okay, let me see."}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "Where are we?"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "Beard codes."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "I got Sorry, I wasn't ready to to do"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "this again. Oh, here we are."}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "Okay, now it's not letting me put it"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "over there. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "it's not I can't choose the How do I"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "It's been"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:23", "text": ">> You have to sign in here."}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:25", "text": ">> I'm signed in."}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:27", "text": ">> What are you doing?"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "I'm trying to read all things football"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "20. I'll just read this one."}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:33", "text": ">> Hello, Jason."}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:40", "text": ">> It's"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "rid"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "is my mic's on."}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:50", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:52", "text": ">> I thought it was muted."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:54", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:56", "text": ">> Did you hear me singing Willie Nelson?"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "I'm trying to read this very serious"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "super chat and you're you keep cutting"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "me off to sing."}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:04", "text": ">> Did you hear doing Willie Nelson"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "covering the Almond Brothers?"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:07", "text": ">> It was awesome."}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:09", "text": ">> Oh, you weren't supposed to hear that."}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "All right. I apologize. Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:14", "text": ">> Jason says, \"You all have helped me get"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "through hell recently. Jason, I'm really"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "sorry. What whatever you're going"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "through, we're all here for you. You're"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "going to get through it. Keep paying"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "attention to the things that give you"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "some peace and some joy and some"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "laughter and a little bit of relief and"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "you will get through it."}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:38", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:41", "text": ">> It's depressing, man."}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:41", "text": ">> Depressing."}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:46", "text": ">> We cheered on."}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:51", "text": ">> I don't want the clothes I'm wearing"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "and the road goes on forever. We're mad."}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": ">> All things football. Don't let the name"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "fool you. I am all about my conspiracies"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "and the macob. I just wish some of these"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "topics were true. I wanted to float for"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "seven seconds, but no dice. Um, do do"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "one of you guys get that? Because I"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "don't."}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:11", "text": ">> Yes. The float from 7 seconds is uh"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "Project Anchor."}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> yeah."}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:18", "text": ">> There we go. That would be crazy,"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "wouldn't it?"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "that yeah I kept that night I was like"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "explain the science to me why this"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "wouldn't work"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:33", "text": ">> and uh he talked for like"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:34", "text": ">> he talked for like two minutes and I was"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:40", "text": ">> stop it I said AJ and I joke we love to"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "watch the Big Bang Theory and we joke"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "I'm like I I am the penny there's a part"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "in the Big Bang Theory where Sheldon's"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "talking to her and she's like I'm just a"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "blond on monkey to you, aren't I? And"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "that's how I feel like sometimes when AJ"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "is talking to me. I'm like, I'm just a"}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "brunette monkey to you sometimes, aren't"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "I?"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:04", "text": ">> It's crazy. It's crazy."}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:06", "text": ">> But just like Penny"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "is kind of dumb about certain things."}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "Sheldon also struggles with certain"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "things that I do as well."}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:13", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> So, I need a penny, especially when I'm"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "with other people because then I go to"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "Jen. I'm like, how do I act here? What"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "do I need to do? Do I can I stand in the"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "corner? Do I have to mingle? Do I have"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "to talk to anybody? Do I shake hands? Do"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "we hug? I don't know what to do."}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": ">> He does that thing where if you go to"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "high five him, he just shakes your"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "fists. AJ does that."}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "He does that."}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:37", "text": ">> Yeah, but don't don't I don't have a"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "fist bump. I just shake it. Just shake"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "it like a man."}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "Uh GoPro said, \"Did you see Grush on"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "Jerry yesterday?\" He saw Nordics."}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> That's what he said."}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": ">> Well, I didn't see it."}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:55", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": ">> he saw he heard from a friend who had a"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "cousin who worked somewhere whose"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "neighbor saw Nordics and that's how"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "David found out about them. Am I close?"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:11", "text": ">> Uh it's it's an interesting watch."}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "Number one, uh he does talk about the"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "Nordics. Uh he also talks about um"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "reptilian gorillas uh uh gorilla like"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "reptilians. Um it's it's it's"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "got to be watched."}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "I don't know if it'll make you want him"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "more or less on the basement, but it was"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "a a very interesting"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:37", "text": ">> Where did he get his information?"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "John,"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:42", "text": ">> I"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "I I was I I had a play in the"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "background, so I I didn't do deep"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "research on it."}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:52", "text": ">> I'll check it out. But I man,"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "I just sometimes I'm in no mood for it."}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "And right now I'm just grouchy about"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "disclosure. I'm grouchy about it. I now"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "that I think about it, I've been extra"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "grouchy ever since Age of Disclosure"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "came out."}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "Well, I agree."}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:13", "text": ">> I watched it like two hours before going"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "live and I came and and I came on live"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "and I was just angry."}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "I was just angry about it because"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "everybody on that on that show was from"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "from the IC, from the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "community, and your your key your key"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "contributor is James Clapper,"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "who should die in prison if there's"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "justice, but he won't."}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:41", "text": ">> If you know James, tell him I said so."}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:44", "text": ">> Few things I I would say say about that."}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "there's Sha Labing for $4.99. We, me, my"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "six-year-old, and my four-year-old love"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "your shows and want to say hi to"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "Hecklefish, the wife is part of our"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "camping weekend. Well, hi Shana. Shaina"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "Shana Shana and Lambings."}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:07", "text": ">> You should clarify. You should clarify"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "that the reason you are angry at James"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "Clapper has nothing to do with you."}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "All dropping 50. It's time to get the"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "rush on."}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:29", "text": ">> A modernday goldfish lives in style, but"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "you haven't tipped in quite a while."}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:35", "text": ">> Who is that guy?"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:38", "text": ">> Patrick. Patrick from bed."}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "I got to pay my rent."}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:58", "text": ">> All right. What? I I get the stage. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:01", "text": ">> if you have something lucky in your work"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "fridge, do not get rid of it. Oh, this"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "is about to go girl. I worked at a civil"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "engineering firm that had the egg in a"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:08", "text": "refrigerator for five years. Someone"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "threw it away and a few months later the"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "2008 housing crisis happened all because"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "of that freaking egg."}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "I we have some stuff in the fridge that"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "needs to go."}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "And my wife has a thing about pickles"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "that no matter how many"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "no matter how many jars of pickles that"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "we have in the cabinets in the"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "refrigerator every time she goes"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "shopping more pickles and then they just"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "get stacked up in the in the"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "refrigerator taking up all that space."}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:51", "text": ">> Okay. What do we have in the cabinet"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "bag?"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "There's Mike D."}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "I'm sorry."}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "What happened? I think you got"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "disconnected. Better check your your"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "cell service there at the uh at the"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "hotel in Dallas."}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:06", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:08", "text": ">> Can Can you pan around? Can we see the"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "dump? Can we see the dump that you're"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "staying in?"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:19", "text": ">> Oh, it's a dump. So, it's very like"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:21", "text": ">> like um everything is like very"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "That's the whole place."}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:27", "text": ">> That's That's the whole place. Oh, no."}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "Wait. Sorry. So, then if you walk around"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "here to the bathroom, there's a door"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "with a big mirror that I try to like"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "kick at every time I come around cuz I"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "see my reflection and it scares the shit"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "out of me. So, there's that. But right"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "now, I'm going to get my Instacart off"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "of in front of my door out here in the"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "hallway."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:49", "text": ">> Well, make sure you get some gerkens."}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "Sweet and sour."}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "All right, there she goes walking around"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:55", "text": "her dump."}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "Uh, Elvis, you're very welcome. Member"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "for 14 months. Appreciate that. You"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "don't have to do that. Just use the code"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "and cancel."}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "But I appreciate it. All the membership"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "from the Y00 backstage goes to the team."}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "I don't touch that money. So, if you do"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "keep your membership alive for the $3 a"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "month, you are keeping Victoria and"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "what? Mercedes, GLP1s,"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "facials, massages."}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "Shut up. When are we having dinner with"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "Marky Mark?"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:33", "text": ">> You don't call people out LIKE THAT."}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "WHAT IS WRONG with you?"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:36", "text": ">> You've never seen this show. You've"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "never seen this before."}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": ">> I'm very grateful."}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "H."}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "Oh, my my Instacart delivery driver is a"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "weed smoker."}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "The bags weak."}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": ">> Does it remind you of of Gino walking"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "into the into the office sometimes?"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:03", "text": ">> Sounds like Otto's jacket."}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:13", "text": ">> He's real relaxed. Real relaxed."}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "Uh there's 4785. Nice to see you. Thank"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "you for all the great content. Shout out"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "to Lauren and Teach for doing such a"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:19", "text": "great job moderating the live channel as"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "well. Definitely shout out to those"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "guys."}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "The uh the mods are heart of the heart"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "of the channels. Couldn't do this"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "without the mods. Who's modding tonight?"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "Oh, we got a whole bunch of them. I seen"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "AC on. Richard Bramblelet's on. Um who"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "else we've seen? I've seen"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:39", "text": ">> Beey."}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "Um, oh, I've seen uh"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "um Mary Mary Jane, of course."}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:53", "text": ">> Mary Jane Hybrid's here. AC teach Paul."}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "Nice. Nice of everyone to show up on"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:03:59", "text": "short notice. Appreciate it, guys."}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:00", "text": ">> Very much appreciated."}, {"start": "01:03:59", "end": "01:04:03", "text": ">> I totally I totally forgot to put the"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:04", "text": "the regular chat up."}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "Let's take a look and see what's going"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "on in the regular chat. So, it's not all"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "about super chats because I don't do"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "this for the for the money. I appreciate"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "the super chats. It's very It's very"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "nice of you guys to do that, but you"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "don't have to do that."}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "Uh Cam Clark, just want to thank the"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "entire staff and Ekkovish for getting me"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": "through two months of medical hell"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "earlier this year."}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "I hope you're through it, Cam. If you"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "are, congrats."}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "Michelle loves the Wows. Haven't been on"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "the live in a long time. Neither have I."}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "And it's it is showing in my"}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "performance. Uh Ellis Gal. Yes. Woohoo."}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "Learn and teach. Totally agree."}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "Buda graduated high school in08 then"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "worked my own way up to graduate college"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "in 2023."}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "No shot. No internship. No job. So I"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "became a truck driver and hopefully I"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "can pursue marketing pretty soon."}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "Driving trucks a good gig."}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "If I was wasn't married, I'd probably do"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:04", "text": "it. Oh, Victoria, you're still up there."}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "Did you have anything else? Did you have"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "anything else? There she goes."}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:17", "text": ">> We got Uncle Syninfeld 24th after files"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "and fellow lizard people."}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:24", "text": ">> Boom shakalaga. Thank you for the tip."}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:26", "text": ">> Nice to be led out of the AMA for once."}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "Yeah. So, I haven't gone live in a"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "while, but I have been pretty consistent"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "about the Patreon, the Patreon um"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:37", "text": "so I'm I'm on there usually about twice"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "a week hanging out with the Patreon"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "members."}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "Are you counting all these plugs? Am I"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "getting them in?"}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:47", "text": ">> You're doing a great job."}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:54", "text": ">> Uh BB Buster Hegelvich can go on FND."}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "That'd be that he'd be fun on there. He"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "has opinions about things"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "uh for"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "I don't know has Has has Gary and the"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "and the gang been been covering like all"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "the weird stuff with with Jeremy and the"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "quartering"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "and Chrissy and all that drama. I don't"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "want to I'm not trying to stir anything"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "up because again they're in the"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "trenches. I'm a civilian. I just I just"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:24", "text": "watched their shows for the drama. But"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "there was some heavy drama in that world"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "for a while there."}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "Surgeon wants heckle fish at F&T."}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "Well, as she saw us how many wine"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "coolers"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "they don't make wine coolers anymore,"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "right now we have it's what do we have?"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "Hard seltzer. It's it's it's feel like"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "it's the same stuff. I do miss those"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "Bartles and James though."}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:52", "text": ">> Jenny, have you ever had a Bartles and"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "James? I I have had a wine cooler in my"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "day."}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:58", "text": ">> You have had a wine cooler?"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:00", "text": ">> I h I have had a couple."}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:01", "text": ">> Have you ever had a Boone apple a Boon"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "Farm apple wine?"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> We drank Boone Farm Strawberry Hill"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "was what we did."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:14", "text": ">> That's That was very similar flavor to"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "to the Mad Dog Red. Mad Dog 2020 Red was"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "was a lot like Strawberry Hill"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:22", "text": ">> of a hangover, man."}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "Orange Mad Dog was"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "Not anymore."}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:31", "text": ">> Misfit likes the orange California"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:34", "text": "coolers and let's Bart and James got"}, {"start": "01:07:31", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "through high school. I mean college."}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:37", "text": ">> They had good They had funny"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "commercials. Those You remember the two"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "old fellas?"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:44", "text": ">> They did."}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:46", "text": ">> Eric Johnson. Remember Zema? Flash in"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "the pan. It was like one year."}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:51", "text": ">> Zema was so weird. And then people would"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "order like Zema and Grenadine at the"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "bar. Like it was very strange."}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:58", "text": ">> Terrible. I I want to say like 95 96 and"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "that was it. Right."}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:07:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> That was terrible."}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:10", "text": ">> Still remember those."}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:10", "text": ">> They still make it."}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:13", "text": ">> Make what?"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:15", "text": ">> You still make it?"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:17", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "No,"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "they can't."}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "Oh god, the gallon of Carlo Rossy wines"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "somebody mentioned. Yeah, and I had"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:36", "text": ">> look when we first started dating. Look,"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "when Jen starts a sentence with look and"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "the hip goes out,"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:46", "text": ">> you you know it's on"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "cuz she'll go look."}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:54", "text": ">> Um you know when I"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:54", "text": ">> So she goes look and I go what?"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:57", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:01", "text": ">> I said something to him the other day"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "and he went uh yeah. And I was like,"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "\"What?"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "What is that?\""}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:10", "text": ">> I was responding to you cuz I"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "cuz I asked you something. I'm like, \"Do"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "you want that?\" And you're like, \"Well,"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "yeah, don't you?\" And I'm like, \"Yeah, I"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "do.\""}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:20", "text": ">> How recent."}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:24", "text": ">> Um, we"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:25", "text": ">> uh Bruce, thanks for having my ET"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:27", "text": "highway sign in the basement. Loves the"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:29", "text": "show. You're very welcome. Did you send"}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "that in? Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> most of the stuff on the set is from you"}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "guys."}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:35", "text": ">> Y"}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:42", "text": ">> all feels good to be back."}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:45", "text": ">> I have never discussed effantasia. I"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "don't think"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:49", "text": ">> if I covered it."}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:51", "text": ">> I don't think"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> because I I meant to do an episode of"}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "senesthesia. I just couldn't get around"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "to finding a story."}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:09:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Um,"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:09:59", "text": ">> do you guys know affantasia? It's the"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "weird That's That's where you don't have"}, {"start": "01:09:59", "end": "01:10:03", "text": "the ability to like see images with your"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:05", "text": "mind."}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:07", "text": ">> Which is so weird."}, {"start": "01:10:05", "end": "01:10:08", "text": ">> So weird. And people who have it think"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:10", "text": "it's weird that you can see pictures"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:12", "text": "with your mind or or like people have no"}, {"start": "01:10:10", "end": "01:10:12", "text": "inner monologue,"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:15", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:17", "text": ">> I don't."}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "So, I was like following a thread on"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "Reddit, people talking about it, and"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "people with no inner monologue were"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "asking like, \"Well, isn't it chaotic in"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "your mind to have chatter all the time?\""}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:28", "text": ">> Uh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": ">> Uh, yeah,"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:35", "text": ">> it is."}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:35", "text": ">> I'm jealous."}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:43", "text": ">> Hookah's first super chat. That's me in"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "the fish."}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "That's me on the YouTube."}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:57", "text": ">> I don't remember the words."}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:57", "text": ">> I need to buy a little more."}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:11", "text": "I haven't got enough."}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "B is for super chat. His first time"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "being live. I drive a semi for 11 hours"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:19", "text": "a day. Work 14."}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "How are the uh how the lot lizards"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "looking these days?"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "Wait, what?"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:31", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:34", "text": ">> You guys know what that is?"}, {"start": "01:11:31", "end": "01:11:36", "text": ">> Yes. And"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:39", "text": ">> oops."}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "Oops. Never mind. Don't answer that."}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "What's going on in the chat?"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "Let's change the subject. And uh I've"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "been playing the W files most of the"}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "time. Try to help. It's also such an"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "easy listen. Thanks, Bua. Thanks for"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "driving. Appreciate you."}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "Uh DF extraterrestrial 82's got some"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "opinions on the lot lizard. So does Joe"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "Kent."}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "Son of Lilith wants to know who does"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "Heckle's voice."}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:07", "text": ">> Hecklefish does his own voice. Who does"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "yours?"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "Alphacino likes the lizards. Paul a lot"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "lizard people. I didn't think of that."}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:17", "text": "You got to watch out where you're at."}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "You're at a Flying Jay. You got to watch"}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "out for the ladies at the Flying Jay."}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:24", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:26", "text": ">> Are you staying over? No. No. You"}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "staying over? No. I'm just I'm just here"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "for a steak and a and and a whiskey."}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "That's"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:36", "text": ">> You staying No."}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:36", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "love by truckers."}, {"start": "01:12:39", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "Uh Matt wants to know, \"Are you ever"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "going out to tour Skimwalker Ranch?\" No,"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "no, not going there. Heard of the"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:48", "text": "Hitchhiker Effect. We had Gino and"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "Patrick down there. They they went and"}, {"start": "01:12:48", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "checked it out. I don't think they saw"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "anything, but you guys saw Jay down"}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "there, right? You saw Stratton."}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "Thumbs up on the Stratton. He'll he'll"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "be he'll be fun to have down in the"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "basement. Josh B. Nimble used to work at"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "a truck stop. I bet you have good"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "stories."}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "Dan Nelson never watch live like this."}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "You're lucky. Who are these lovely"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "ladies? Well, that's"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "that that's that's part of the Wal's"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "harum right there. That's the herum"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:26", "text": ">> half of it. We're such a turd."}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "Is everyone enjoying fatty fanny slap"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "Fridays?"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:42", "text": ">> Please ignore him."}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:44", "text": ">> Luckily, I'm the HR department at at"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "work. Lucky for Jen, I'm the HR"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "department because that woman"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "that woman is fixing to get a a writeup."}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "She dropped a seabbomb. She'll drop a"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "sea bomb hard. I have to get mad."}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:03", "text": ">> Somebody has to bring in donuts."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:04", "text": ">> Look,"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:04", "text": ">> look."}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:06", "text": ">> Look."}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:09", "text": ">> If you bring in donuts when I'm trying"}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "to do my mangaro, I'm going to punch you"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:12", "text": "right in the"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:15", "text": ">> Look,"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:17", "text": ">> look. Don't bring them sweets around"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:18", "text": "here. I I'll elbow you right in the"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "coochie."}, {"start": "01:14:18", "end": "01:14:21", "text": ">> Here's the thing."}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "The power of the button. The power of"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "the button. So, will you have Randall"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "Carlson on the basement? Yeah, Randle's"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "confirmed. I don't know when he's coming"}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "in, though."}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "But that is going to be a lot of fun to"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "talk to him. Michael, I'm not going to"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "let him take me. Lord, little shout out"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "for the Christian influencers in the"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "paranormal world. Appreciate you guys."}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:46", "text": "Waited all night in August for the"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "anchor event and it didn't happen,"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "right? Disappointing."}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "Gravity stayed put."}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "Christian influencers in the paranormal"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "world."}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "That's interesting."}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "I guess there's like demons and stuff."}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:04", "text": "Be careful out there, Michael. Don't"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "mess Don't mess with it. Remember we had"}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "Chris Bledso on the basement and talking"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "about the orbs. He can summon orbs. He"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:13", "text": "can do it. I know I debunk a lot of"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "stuff. He can do it. And I asked him, I"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "said, \"Chris, can anyone learn this?\""}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "And he said, \"Yes, anyone can learn to"}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:20", "text": "do this.\" He He sounds like Forest Gump."}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "All with due respect, I love the guy."}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "Yes, anyone could learn to do this, but"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "I don't recommend you try."}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "And that was that was enough for me. He"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "said, \"Don't mess with it.\""}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "Uh, XT Marie 11, thank you for the tip."}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": ">> Hey, thanks for the tip."}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:41", "text": ">> That's it. That's all you got, big guy."}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "All right. Miss you guys. You back back"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "or just tonight? Great. Regardless and"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "love the basement. Would love McMagle on"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "there. I think Joe would come in, but"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "it's getting hard for him to move"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "around. Uh, I would like to do the after"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "files every week. I don't but I can't"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "commit to that."}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "Victoria, perfect. The Gush oneliner. I"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:05", "text": "can't go in any details."}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:07", "text": "Always look the guys always say, \"I got"}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "to be careful here. I got to be careful"}, {"start": "01:16:07", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "here.\""}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "Why?"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "Why do you still need your clearance?"}, {"start": "01:16:15", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "And what do why are you still"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "contracting for for the IC?"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:25", "text": ">> If you're a whistleblower,"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:26", "text": "isn't the whole point that you're you're"}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "blowing that whistle? Why do you got to"}, {"start": "01:16:26", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "be careful? Like if your ass is already"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "out there just go like I don't that"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "stuff drives me bonkers. You"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:39", "text": ">> you know that your lip injections have"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "ruined your whistle. You just can't do"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "it anymore."}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "I know."}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:47", "text": ">> It was just It was just You just went"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:48", "text": ">> They look great."}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:49", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:52", "text": ">> You look awesome."}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:55", "text": ">> Thank you. I know."}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:57", "text": ">> I know. The those are very popular on"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "the chat. You guys watch your mouth."}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "Marco can't believe this is live. I"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "can't believe it either. Uh five show to"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "five. Flat Earth, please. I I love the"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:10", "text": "flat earth story. I don't do it because"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:13", "text": "the fans of Flat Earth are so um"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "invested in it. They really they really"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:18", "text": "show up. They show up in force and I"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "just the comments become mayhem and I'm"}, {"start": "01:17:18", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "just not into it. But I will sometimes"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "get in a flat earth mood. Maybe have a"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "whiskey and sit down in front of Rumble"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:29", "text": "and just watch four or five hours of"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:31", "text": "flat earth videos. I love it. And I walk"}, {"start": "01:17:29", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "away going they make some pretty good"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "points. Some pretty good points."}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "Oh, we're tminus two minutes to uh to"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "where's Gito? T-minus 2."}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "Buff Bunny 4848 quote unquote invested"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "winky face. Yep. Oh, A3543. Is Jed a"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "tall white? I guess"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:58", "text": ">> they call me. They call me Gendigo"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "because I have these crazy long fingers"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:04", "text": ">> and I'm a left-handed person and I'm Rh"}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "negative. So,"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:08", "text": ">> what do you what do you write in your"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "dating profile? Get down there. Go."}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "There she goes."}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "Uh, Zapparoo, uh, save your time,"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "Gretchian Jerry has zero proof of no"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "sources. Well,"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:23", "text": "that's part for course."}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "Marvel works 12-hour shifts and make the"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:26", "text": "day uh, we make the day go better."}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "Appreciate that. Appreciate that,"}, {"start": "01:18:26", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "Marvel."}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "Billy Shears would like to see a Paul is"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "dead video. Would you ever consider"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:35", "text": "making it? I I I've gone back and forth"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "on it. I just didn't know how many"}, {"start": "01:18:35", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "people would be into the story. It's one"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "of my favorite urban legends is is the"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "Paul is dead and all the different"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "clues. You guys know about all that"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "I can't get into it now because we're"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "t-minus one. It's weird, you know, but"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "there's a lot of clues that Paul is dead"}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "and he was replaced"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "cuz he's still around, right? That's cuz"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "they replaced him with a with either an"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "android or a younger version."}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "That's not the real Paul, right Gino?"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:08", "text": ">> That's not the real Paul. And the story"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "is not just Paul. It's the replacement"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "of celebrities and people in powers of"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "position that is happening throughout"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:17", "text": "the world and throughout the last uh,"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "you know, few decades. And there's"}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "plenty of proof of it. It's not just"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "like, hey, Paul's dead. That's a silly"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "story. Uh, you could look at it as a"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "silly story. And I'm not saying it's the"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "truth, but I'm saying there is plenty of"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "evidence that some celebrities seem like"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "they are different than what they were."}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "Um, a great uh uh um one would be Jamie"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "Fox. Uh everyone knows Jamie Fox went to"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "the hospital with an unknown disease for"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "a while. Uh unknown something when when"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "he came out, he had no tattoo on the"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "back of his neck. Now, some some people"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "know what getting tattoos removed is"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "like. It takes a year. It takes years."}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "and you're not just going to come out of"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "a hospital stay at 3 months without a"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "tattoo. So that's a very strange one. Um"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "so there there's a so we have in our"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:07", "text": "list of episodes to do as people keep"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "talking about this stuff number one I"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "write down um these things but we"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "already have this one in our episode"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "list as a possibility which is the"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "replacement of celebrities and clones."}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "Well, Gina, uh, you have the floor. Do"}, {"start": "01:20:20", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "you want to bring Patrick up now, or do"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "you want to wait till after?"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:28", "text": ">> Uh, uh, you're Let's bring him up now."}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:31", "text": "Uh, Patrick is the one who helped me"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "film this. Where is Gino? Um, me and"}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "Patrick have been on a little bit of a"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "journey for the last two years. One we,"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "uh, Patrick made a great film called"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "Psionics that uh, Psionics that that"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "we'll talk about after Where's Gino? And"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:48", "text": "while uh making that with him uh we went"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "to a whole bunch of places just testing"}, {"start": "01:20:48", "end": "01:20:53", "text": "things out. And this where's Gino is"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:57", "text": "kind of a continuation of that which is"}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:21:01", "text": "we went to the uh Sai games to check out"}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "uh you know remote viewing um mindsight"}, {"start": "01:21:01", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "uh uh telepathy and a whole a whole"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "bunch of other psionic um experiments."}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:11", "text": "So I participated in every one that I"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "could. It was it's interesting. It left"}, {"start": "01:21:11", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "us with no real evidence of the truth,"}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:21", "text": "but only uh give gave us very"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "interesting results to go this needs to"}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "be investigated more. And now uh we're"}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "continuing on and Patrick's uh making"}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "another movie that's going to focus"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "again on"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:32", "text": ">> Are we going to play this thing?"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:33", "text": ">> Are we gonna play this thing? What are"}, {"start": "01:21:32", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "you doing?"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:36", "text": ">> You told me that. You told me to to tee"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "it up. What do you want me to do?"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:41", "text": ">> I want to know Lavine. A A Lavine"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:44", "text": "replaced, right?"}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> Well, Aravine was definitely replaced."}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "Uh she is uh one of them that she"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "probably committed suicide. Uh that's"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "the unfortunate part."}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:55", "text": ">> Oh, I guess his cell dropped. Lost the"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "service there in the middle of the S the"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "S story"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:07", "text": "is just to find the one thing in the"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "mysterious that's true. Because if one"}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "thing is real, then it could all be"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "real. That's how I look at it. If"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "psionics is real, then possibly"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "controlling craft with your mind is"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "real. And possibly the craft is real."}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "And possibly what's inside that craft is"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "an alien. And possibly that alien is"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "being controlled by an interdimensional"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "being in Antarctica. I would just want"}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:38", "text": "one thing to be real. Where's Gino? I'm"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "here in Charlotte, North Carolina. We're"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "at the Sai games and I'm on the hunt to"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "find out if psionics is real. You're"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "going to watch me try out everything I"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "possibly can."}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:50", "text": ">> You going to try it? Come on."}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:52", "text": ">> Now, you guys both give me some of your"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "energy cuz you guys are Give me some of"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "the energy."}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:54", "text": ">> Come on."}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:55", "text": ">> Okay. You ready?"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Let's see it."}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:00", "text": ">> Let's see it. Let's see it."}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:01", "text": ">> Okay. I'm feeling feeling good. Feeling"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "good."}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:03", "text": ">> Oh shit."}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:05", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "Oh shit."}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:07", "text": ">> Oh, give him the loose. Hey, give him a"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "loose."}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:13", "text": ">> Give it to me. Give it to me."}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "LOOSE."}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:25", "text": ">> Open circle. Validated. Open circle."}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": ">> What did I TELL YOU? THE ARROW. THE"}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "ARROW. I saw the arrow."}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:34", "text": ">> I TOLD Y'ALL WOULD DO IT. WE WERE THERE"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "to participate whether it could be real"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "or a hoax."}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:39", "text": ">> No way. No way."}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:42", "text": ">> We want to put it to the test."}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:44", "text": ">> I'm aware that I can I can change"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "reality. But then now that I know that,"}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "how far do I want to go?"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:55", "text": ">> If I'm introducing you on camera."}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:24:00", "text": ">> Energy ed."}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Energy ed."}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "I'm going push you back"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "now. I have to just get you kind of"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "rocking."}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:13", "text": ">> There you coming."}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:13", "text": ">> 14."}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:17", "text": ">> 15."}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:18", "text": ">> Not right."}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:18", "text": ">> Three."}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:23", "text": ">> 16."}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:23", "text": ">> Not right. Circle."}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "And this works. Okay. This works"}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "worldwide. I don't know if I'm doing it"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "or you, but I'm rocking."}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:44", "text": ">> So, can it be hoaxed? Of course. Does"}, {"start": "01:24:41", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "that mean everyone's hoaxing it? I don't"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "think so. From what I understand, we're"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "pulling out of a database a"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:53", "text": "randomization of a number of standard"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:55", "text": "photographs"}, {"start": "01:24:53", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "that are determined to be good remote"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "viewing targets."}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:03", "text": ">> And I feel like I've stumbled across a"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "lot of evidence"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "and the preponderance of that evidence"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:10", "text": "does not equal"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:13", "text": "truth yet. Like, have we ever had that"}, {"start": "01:25:10", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "sharp feeling in our in our heart and"}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "then got a phone call and someone we"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "love is hurt? Or maybe we get a buzzing"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "in our stomach. We can pick up the phone"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "call and it's that job that we want so"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "bad we got."}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:29", "text": ">> We slap these labels that sterilize the"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "feeling. We call it gut feeling. And"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "that's okay. All of a sudden, when you"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "slap psychic on it, it's"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:40", "text": ">> So, I'm still looking"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:42", "text": "through that evidence to get to"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "show me the thing"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:47", "text": "in the mysterious world that's true. Is"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "it UFOs?"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:54", "text": "Is it telepathy?"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:56", "text": "Is it orbs in the sky? Is it mind sight?"}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "Is it clairvoyance?"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:04", "text": "I'm interested in every part of of of"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "that and I don't have the need to be the"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "one to uncover the truth of it. I'm just"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "interested that many people are on the"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "same path of uncovering that truth. I'm"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:19", "text": "happy to be on that journey and just"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:23", "text": "watch. But I just want one thing in the"}, {"start": "01:26:19", "end": "01:26:27", "text": "mysterious. I just want one thing to be"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "able to have some scientific backing so"}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "we can move on to have people"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "believe more that the rest should be"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "investigated."}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:39", "text": ">> When I get pissed off, dude, lights will"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:41", "text": "fall, lights flicker, I turn off my"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "truck. It's it's it's cool if you're"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "like not used to it. Like my family's"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "like, \"Gee, Christmas, dude. He's"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "getting upset again. Somebody somebody"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "go get him a coffee or something.\" But"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "you know what I mean? But it's it's real"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "guys and I think that's the biggest"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "thing I want all of us to get you know"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "make the point of is that for me and"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "David this is real."}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:01", "text": ">> Do you think mindsight is one of them? I"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "think it's a possibility."}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:07", "text": ">> I think mindsight is a possibility. Now"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:09", "text": "I think also"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "we did a lot of experimenting for"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:15", "text": "ourselves and this goes back to"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:17", "text": "something I said earlier is I think that"}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "just cuz you and I can't get there does"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:25", "text": "not mean that everyone can't get there."}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:25", "text": "Okay. Uh next card we're up to David."}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:32", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:36", "text": "wavy lines."}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:38", "text": ">> Wavy lines. Now, interesting about uh"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "you, David. Obviously, you can't see me,"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "but you are starting to tell me before I"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "even turn it over. I put on the mask. I"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:51", "text": "also think it's really hard to cheat."}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "So, you have to be really good at it"}, {"start": "01:27:51", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "cuz when I put it on, it fits on my face"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "perfect. I can't turn my head. I can't"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "do anything. It's fitting on my face"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "fine."}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:05", "text": ">> It looks like you cannot see. And uh"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:07", "text": ">> that's why I was like confirming. I"}, {"start": "01:28:05", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "couldn't tell if you could actually see."}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:14", "text": ">> No, I I could I can actually see"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "everything as long as I"}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:22", "text": "uh you know move my facial mus muscles"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:23", "text": "in a in a way."}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:25", "text": ">> And if you practice this for months, you"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "you'd get pretty good at it,"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:29", "text": ">> right? And if I did practice this for"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "months and got good at it, I I just"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "can't see the payoff being that great."}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:37", "text": ">> But where does this leave me? Still the"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "curious observer that needs to witness"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "more."}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:42", "text": ">> I think as we continue on this path"}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:45", "text": "where we're going right now and people"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "having access to technology like this,"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:49", "text": "this would be again the guy who worked"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:51", "text": "on this worked on it with NASA. So like"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "he's an engineer. So this was not"}, {"start": "01:28:51", "end": "01:28:54", "text": "something that's out there for the"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "public until now,"}, {"start": "01:28:54", "end": "01:28:58", "text": ">> right? And now somebody can have access"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "to this in the public and they can"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:01", "text": "really work this. I suspect that we're"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:05", "text": "going to get to a point where we start"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "seeing data that's just one. And so all"}, {"start": "01:29:05", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "of you out there watching this video"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "here, I'm going to pull you forwards."}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "Okay, let go of it. I'm going to reverse"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "that electrical polarity and push you."}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:25", "text": "Okay. So, if any of you out there are"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "hurting or you know people that are"}, {"start": "01:29:25", "end": "01:29:30", "text": "hurting or in pain, come watch this"}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "video two or three times and see how"}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "quick your pain goes away."}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:35", "text": ">> Two or three times."}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:37", "text": ">> Okay. Look me up."}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:39", "text": ">> Very cool."}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:42", "text": ">> So, show that to people."}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:53", "text": ">> All right. Play that three more times."}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "So what did you learn to be a wizard?"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:03", "text": ">> You know, again, it was a a a very"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:05", "text": "interesting um"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "trip and experiments that we were going"}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "through. Uh as you guys saw on there, uh"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "I I was trying to show a few things."}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "One, that even though you can hoax these"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:18", "text": "things, it doesn't mean that they're all"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "hoaxes."}, {"start": "01:30:18", "end": "01:30:21", "text": "We were having fun and playing around"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "and that's where this where the spoon"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "comes in. I did not use my mind to stick"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:28", "text": "the spoon to the wall. I can't tell you"}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:30", "text": "how I did it."}, {"start": "01:30:28", "end": "01:30:33", "text": ">> I can't tell you how I did"}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:35", "text": ">> I didn't tell anyone in the room"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> and they haven't figured it out yet,"}, {"start": "01:30:35", "end": "01:30:42", "text": ">> but"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:43", "text": "always got bubble gum behind his ear."}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "So, so again that we were"}, {"start": "01:30:43", "end": "01:30:47", "text": ">> we have to acknowledge Patrick and the"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "great work he did with shooting editing"}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "this stuff. It was amazing."}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh Patrick uh and me"}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "have been traveling a lot um looking"}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "into this sort of stuff. And again, um"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:05", "text": "we took a whole year recording his first"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "film, Psionics. um which was, you know,"}, {"start": "01:31:05", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "dealing with all things uh that have to"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "do with expanding your mind and having"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "your mind interact with things, whether"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "it be orbs in the sky or uh whether it"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "be um uh again mindsight remote viewing."}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:26", "text": "Um what else did we have in psionics,"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:30", "text": "Patrick? We did a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "experimentation in there. Spoon bending."}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:33", "text": "F"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:36", "text": ">> first of all, let me say hello. Thank"}, {"start": "01:31:33", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "you. Beneo mucha gracias. Thank you for"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:41", "text": "having me."}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:43", "text": ">> Um yes. Um yeah, we did we we the main"}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "goal was psionics the the you know"}, {"start": "01:31:43", "end": "01:31:47", "text": "summoning with the uh orbs with your"}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:49", "text": "mind. But then once you go meet people"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "that claim to have that ability, they're"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "like, \"Oh, and by the way, I can also"}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "teleport and I can I can do this.\" So"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "they show you or they attempt to show"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:31:59", "text": "you uh maybe some of these other"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "abilities uh that they, you know, that"}, {"start": "01:31:59", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "they may have. It's like a tree, right?"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:05", "text": "And there's just different branches uh"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "on the tree."}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:11", "text": ">> I mean, in martial arts, the chi punch,"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "the chi punch is legit."}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:14", "text": ">> I never saw that. That would have been"}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:17", "text": "great."}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:19", "text": ">> You can watch like super slow motion"}, {"start": "01:32:17", "end": "01:32:21", "text": "video of of so of someone like breaking"}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "bricks with a cheap punch and the bricks"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "start to break before the contact."}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:28", "text": ">> So, was that guy really pushing you guys"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "around? Because I wasn't I wasn't"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "feeling groped at all."}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "you know, again,"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:35", "text": ">> I'm gonna be nice here. So, so, so yeah,"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "I'm gonna"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:41", "text": ">> Me and Patrick both in the room. I I was"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "trying it. And again, I was being uh"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:46", "text": "nice also. Uh like I said, I definitely"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "was rocking. I don't know if it if it"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:50", "text": "was him or not. I didn't feel anything,"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "but I was moving slightly, but you know,"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "if you stand in number one spot for a"}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "while, you might wind up rocking anyway."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:33:00", "text": "Um he uh tried it on Patrick. No"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "rocking. Um, but again, does Patrick"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "isn't is"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "skeptical to begin with. So, since we're"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "dealing with the mind, maybe that's one"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "of the things that's blocking him. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "which makes him a great partner to go"}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "look at these things with because me and"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "him have different ideas on this. And"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:21", "text": "when we come a after we see these things"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "together and experience them together,"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:26", "text": "we kind of go through everything that"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "that we felt and and did. And again,"}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "we're on opposite sides of things. Um,"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:32", "text": "neither one of us is a believer or a"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:35", "text": "non-believer. We're both there to just"}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "witness it and talk about what what"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "we're seeing, what's real and what"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "isn't."}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:47", "text": ">> All right. There's um there's"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "Can I move the poll around? Let me see."}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "It's a new feature. What happens if I do"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:52", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:54", "text": ">> Trust me, we can cover this face, AJ."}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "Don't don't worry about it."}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "Uh so vetted uh vetted podcast on"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:01", "text": "YouTube"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:03", "text": "is a source that I have used many many"}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "times for episodes. So very grateful"}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:06", "text": "that Patrick is out there. Thank you"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "man."}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:10", "text": ">> No thank you. Thank you AJ."}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:13", "text": ">> Lot of believers in the chat. I"}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:14", "text": ">> I lean that way. I think psychic is"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "real."}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:20", "text": ">> I don't think that guy was was real. Um"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:21", "text": ">> yeah"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "might be real"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:25", "text": ">> and that"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:27", "text": ">> well that's a dilemma to me uh is that"}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "is is that you know you want to be open"}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "to the possibility um and there could be"}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "some compelling things but then you meet"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:38", "text": "people that aren't necessarily selling"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "the idea well right and they kind of can"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:41", "text": "ruin a lot of these things so for"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:43", "text": "instance going to that conference that"}, {"start": "01:34:41", "end": "01:34:45", "text": "that we made the video about I I was"}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "disappointed by a lot of people in fact"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "I was angered actually by a lot of"}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:51", "text": "people trying to dupe me with just the"}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "silliest things. And I just think, well,"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:54", "text": "there's something real to this. What"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "What am I do? You know, I didn't fly all"}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "the way out here to see you move tinfoil"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:00", "text": "around and blow it with your mouth and"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "try to pretend that you did it with your"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:07", "text": "mind. Um, so but but there are some"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "compelling things, right? So that's the"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:11", "text": "that's the juggling."}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:13", "text": ">> Well, we've got Michael Salah, Dr."}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "Michael Salah coming in tomorrow who has"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:17", "text": "a lot of interesting research on"}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "telepathy including telepathy with"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "dolphins."}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:20", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:24", "text": ">> You know,"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "we have an episode teed up uh that"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:29", "text": "heavily has to do with dolphins too that"}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:32", "text": "um we'll be going over soon."}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:34", "text": ">> The the Day of the Dolphins. Uh that's a"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:37", "text": "great book from I think 1952 somewhere"}, {"start": "01:35:34", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "around there. And it's about that. Um, I"}, {"start": "01:35:37", "end": "01:35:41", "text": "think that's might be where the story"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "originates or or or something along"}, {"start": "01:35:41", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "those lines."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:47", "text": ">> So, what's next for you, Patrick? What's"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:51", "text": "your next project?"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:52", "text": ">> Um, uh, get back home to Spain. That's"}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "my next project. I'd love to get back"}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "home. I'm in the States. I've been gone"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:59", "text": "for, you know, like six weeks. I miss my"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:01", "text": "wife. I miss home. I'm ready to get back"}, {"start": "01:35:59", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "home. So, I got like a month left. Um,"}, {"start": "01:36:01", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "yeah. I just need to finish up this doc"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "this new documentary."}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "um you know, filming uh um principal"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "photography"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "uh so I can get back and start on a"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:16", "text": "rough cut, but that'll keep me busy"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "enough that way."}, {"start": "01:36:16", "end": "01:36:21", "text": ">> Is your doc on Amazon?"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> The Psionics is uh Psionics, the one we"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:28", "text": "filmed last year, is available on Apple,"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "Amazon, uh Google Play, YouTube, Movies."}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "You can stream it uh anywhere, and you"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "can rent it for the low price of $3.99."}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "Come on, y'all. more economical."}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:45", "text": ">> I'm trying to uh"}, {"start": "01:36:41", "end": "01:36:46", "text": ">> I'm trying to I'm"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:50", "text": ">> pulling up the wrong one."}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:50", "text": ">> That's the wrong plug."}, {"start": "01:36:52", "end": "01:36:55", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:58", "text": ">> We got a link to it."}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:37:00", "text": ">> Um yeah, that's"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:02", "text": ">> that was it."}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:04", "text": ">> I got I got to see what Patrick's got to"}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:05", "text": "say about these guys."}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "Uh,"}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:08", "text": ">> oh,"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:11", "text": ">> I think you and Patrick have the same"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "same opinion on most, but we didn't go"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:16", "text": "into this earlier. Uh, I understand how"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "you feel about Grush, but Jay Stratton's"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:19", "text": "book's coming out. Uh, I think that's"}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "going to be important. Me and Patrick uh"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "were up up at Phamicon where Jay"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "Stratton was. He uh did did a"}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> Who's J Stratton?"}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:32", "text": ">> Uh, he's probably considered the most"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:34", "text": "senior government official that's ever"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:37", "text": "dealt with UAPs. He was head of the UAP"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "task force. Uh is it the UAP task task"}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:43", "text": "force? Um uh Travis Taylor worked"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:47", "text": "underneath him. Um he's heavily involved"}, {"start": "01:37:43", "end": "01:37:48", "text": "in Skinwalker Ranch. Um and and again he"}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:51", "text": "has a new book coming out which"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:53", "text": "everyone's been waiting for. uh because"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "uh like when when you're looking at the"}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:59", "text": "the officials that have information on"}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "on these things, UAPs and aliens and"}, {"start": "01:37:59", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "things like that, he's been been the one"}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:06", "text": "that people have been waiting for the"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:08", "text": "most for to come out. So, it is very"}, {"start": "01:38:06", "end": "01:38:10", "text": "important that this book uh is coming"}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "out. It's also going to be turned into a"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "series uh by Dan Farah."}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:17", "text": ">> What did you guys see at Skinwalker?"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:23", "text": ">> Zero. Okay. Now, that said, I I I"}, {"start": "01:38:21", "end": "01:38:24", "text": ">> We didn't go inside, though, to be fair,"}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "right? We didn't go inside. We went"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "around the outer edge"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:31", "text": "um of it."}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:34", "text": ">> Now, here's the thing."}, {"start": "01:38:31", "end": "01:38:36", "text": ">> That you can't just say weird stuff"}, {"start": "01:38:34", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "happens at Skinwalker and it ends at the"}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "fence line. You know, that whole basin"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:45", "text": "is considered uh where things h things"}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "happen. Now, we were we were um with"}, {"start": "01:38:45", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "Chris Partell, who was uh the former uh"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "security uh head of security there. Uh"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "and uh he was doing experiments there,"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "things like that. He told us amazing"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "stories about it. And then at night, we"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "did a skywatch on on the basin. Me and"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "Chris together saw a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "stuff moving around in the sky uh that"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:11", "text": "were that were very anomalous. One thing"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "was staying uh steady in the sky. We"}, {"start": "01:39:11", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "watched something else move past it and"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "then we what we thought was the star"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "zipped right off. So really interesting"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "and that happened with maybe uh a"}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "hundred people out at the skywatch. So"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:24", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:27", "text": ">> Travis went out there to debunk it."}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "Travis went out to debunk Skinwalker and"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "instead w up summoning demons"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "and his drones were were getting killed"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "in midair just over one spot. He saw a"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "lot of weird stuff"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:44", "text": ">> and and I think that's part of Chris's"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "experience as well that he was skeptical"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "going out there and then he ran into a"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:51", "text": "lot of paranormal stuff and he ran uh"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "into a lot of paranormal stuff more at"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "skinwalker more than just UFO and UAP"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "stuff. um the you know the the oh yeah"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "the the large wolf uh you know a whole"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:07", "text": "whole bunch of um different paranormal"}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "stuff which will be in the next"}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:12", "text": "documentary we fil filmed with them"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:12", "text": "while we were up there."}, {"start": "01:40:12", "end": "01:40:17", "text": ">> I mean Colonel Alexander's wife saw the"}, {"start": "01:40:15", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "werewolf"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:19", "text": ">> when he was while he was working on the"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "ranch."}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:24", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:27", "text": ">> effect"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "Yeah. And we we went up there. We also"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "went down to Bradshaw Ranch, which is"}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:34", "text": "considered uh like Skinw Walker 2 or"}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "Skinwalker Light, I don't know. And we"}, {"start": "01:40:34", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "spent a lot of time uh you know, hours"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "and hours together on Bradshaw Ranch."}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "And the same same thing, we had a great"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:45", "text": "time. Uh we saw some stuff in the air,"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "but nothing nothing to lead us to say."}, {"start": "01:40:45", "end": "01:40:50", "text": "Uh we definitely saw UFOs or we"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:52", "text": "definitely saw whatever the things were."}, {"start": "01:40:50", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "We didn't see any animals out there. We"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "didn't see any dinosaurs out there,"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "which is one of the weird stories about"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:02", "text": "Bradshaw Ranch. Um, we didn't see any,"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "uh, you know, um, Bigfoot. There's a"}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:06", "text": "Bigfoot supposedly out there. We didn't"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "see that either. Um, but I was looking."}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:10", "text": ">> Didn't see Bigfoot, huh?"}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> I was looking."}, {"start": "01:41:10", "end": "01:41:14", "text": "I called for him. I did the I did the"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "Bigfoot call. Um, there's there's a"}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:18", "text": ">> How does that go?"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:20", "text": ">> Yeah, it's um That's a Well, my voice is"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "a little horse. I've been I did it all"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "last night. So, I don't know if I can"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "produce it right now. Um,"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:27", "text": ">> well, you can take a shot."}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:29", "text": ">> You know what I mean? I don't need 30"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "Bigfoot women showing up here at my"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:31", "text": "place. You know what I mean? Right."}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:32", "text": ">> Fair enough."}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:34", "text": ">> My wife will be"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:38", "text": ">> It could be Sicilian, though. You don't"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "You don't know. It could be Sicilian."}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:44", "text": ">> Hey, or Latin. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:44", "text": ">> rude."}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "Jenny, when is the only time that it's"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "acceptable to punch an Italian woman in"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "the face?"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:54", "text": ">> That's not the joke. When is it polite"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "to spit in an Italian woman's face?"}, {"start": "01:41:54", "end": "01:42:00", "text": ">> Mustache is on fire."}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:00", "text": ">> There she goes."}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:05", "text": ">> You're pretty funny for a human."}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:10", "text": ">> So, again,"}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "filming has been a lot of lot of uh"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:15", "text": "interesting things that we've seen. uh"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:17", "text": "we're we're there to for our own"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "experience as well and we're not trying"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "to convince anyone of anything. We're"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "not saying, \"Hey, we got the proof.\""}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "We're saying, \"Look at two guys who are"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:29", "text": "on two sides of the skepticism uh uh you"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "know uh"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "grounds and see what we are see what"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "we're seeing through our eyes.\""}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:40", "text": ">> All right, good stuff. Anything else you"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "want to get out there before I let you"}, {"start": "01:42:40", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "go and I get back to some super chats?"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "I"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:49", "text": ">> I just want to say thank you for having"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:50", "text": "me on. Gino's the man. I love hanging"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:52", "text": "out with them and I love uh you know"}, {"start": "01:42:50", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "filming all the projects that we do and"}, {"start": "01:42:52", "end": "01:42:56", "text": "getting a chance to hang out with"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "someone that I respect and uh can can"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "jump into this weird pool of strangers"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "uh is is uh very hard to find. So, it's"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "been an honor and a pleasure to to work"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "with Gino and and I look forward to more"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "stuff that we do. man. Um, just thank"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "you for for having me on here, AJ, and"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:13", "text": "uh, hanging out with you guys as always."}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:14", "text": ">> Every time you guys have something,"}, {"start": "01:43:13", "end": "01:43:16", "text": "we'll we'll put it up here. You need"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "someone like Gino on the team because"}, {"start": "01:43:16", "end": "01:43:20", "text": "he's he keeps that positive believer"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:22", "text": "energy going."}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:24", "text": ">> Me, too. I I don't believe anything and"}, {"start": "01:43:22", "end": "01:43:27", "text": "I'm constant, you know, he he he keeps"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:29", "text": "me uh uh looking up uh when when I when"}, {"start": "01:43:27", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "I stop looking up. So, I appreciate"}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:32", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:36", "text": ">> I do, too. Speaking of whi, speaking of"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:38", "text": "which, so many times I've seen stuff"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "going, \"Patrick, did you see it?\" And he"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:43", "text": "just he turns around and he misses it."}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:47", "text": "It's happened so many times. That's"}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:48", "text": "true. That is true."}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:50", "text": ">> All right, there they go. There's Gino"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:51", "text": "Patrick from bedded. Everyone go check"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:54", "text": "out Patrick's YouTube channel. It's"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "awesome. If you like the W files, you'll"}, {"start": "01:43:54", "end": "01:44:00", "text": "definitely like what Patrick covers. you"}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:01", "text": "know, all these people."}, {"start": "01:44:00", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "Good stuff. He's very, very talented"}, {"start": "01:44:01", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "artist. I love the his his shooting and"}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:07", "text": "editing. Really, really good stuff. All"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "right, we're going to stop that poll. It"}, {"start": "01:44:07", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "looks like it's 74%"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "to 23."}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "That makes sense."}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "I'm in the 74."}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:27", "text": ">> Whoa. Pros 9492 for $50."}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:31", "text": ">> I'm a fish. I'm a lover. I'm a freak in"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "the covers. I'm a swimmer. I'm a saint."}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "I do not feel ashamed."}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:36", "text": ">> What do you want from the CIA gift shop?"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "There's everything from buying glass. We"}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "had a goop stuff like hot sauce,"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "t-shirts, and mouse pads. I can make a"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:42", "text": "pretext. Go to HQ for gifts. What swag"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "is your set missing? Pound 10s. I'm one"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "of the goodens."}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:50", "text": "CA has a gift shop. That's That's true."}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "That's true. That's a registered"}, {"start": "01:44:50", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "trademark. That logo. There is Patriot"}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:56", "text": "Pirate is back. The title is midwife"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "consciousness getting the plugs and"}, {"start": "01:44:56", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "thoughts on human stewardship of AI"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "Amazon mailing it to you. Oh, that's"}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "that's what's coming our way. Awesome."}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "The echo's driving me crazy."}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:12", "text": "Paul's bad for 20. I have no evidence"}, {"start": "01:45:10", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "for this, but I believe that memberships"}, {"start": "01:45:12", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "and super chats boost your channel in"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "the algorithm. YouTube cares about"}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:18", "text": "revenue. That's that's for sure. That's"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "why I'm always generous. Uh Paul, you're"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "generous even without the lives. But I"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "do appreciate that. And yeah, YouTube"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "likes likes when you do live and YouTube"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:30", "text": "loves money. For years,"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "you wait and wait to get a partner"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:34", "text": "manager at YouTube and you finally get"}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "one"}, {"start": "01:45:34", "end": "01:45:38", "text": "and you get that conference call, that"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "Zoom call, and they spend 20 minutes"}, {"start": "01:45:38", "end": "01:45:41", "text": "talking to you about how you need to do"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "more lives and and do more super chats"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "and and promote super thanks. That's"}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:50", "text": "that's the whole partner program."}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:50", "text": "frustrating,"}, {"start": "01:45:50", "end": "01:45:53", "text": "but I think we moved out of that, right,"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "Jenny?"}, {"start": "01:45:53", "end": "01:45:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": ">> We've got better managers over there now"}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "that don't force us to do that stuff,"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:03", "text": ">> right? Well, and our SPMs over there are"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:05", "text": "awesome."}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:07", "text": ">> SPMs."}, {"start": "01:46:05", "end": "01:46:09", "text": ">> It stands for something. Something"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:13", "text": "partner."}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "The S doesn't stand for something, but I"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "don't know what the S stands for."}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:18", "text": ">> Nicely done."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "Uh, I thought he doesn't like to be"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:22", "text": "called Marky Mark. Wow, I must be really"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:25", "text": "behind on the super chats. Sorry about"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:25", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:46:25", "end": "01:46:32", "text": ">> Fine, huh?"}, {"start": "01:46:28", "end": "01:46:34", "text": ">> What are we going? We're going to 8:15."}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:36", "text": ">> That sounds right."}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:39", "text": ">> Request for more five to four to five"}, {"start": "01:46:36", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "part harmony. Hey, now have y'all dove"}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "into Kennedys and how far that goes. Oh"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "yeah, Ava here would hit the roof if I"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "say Ava. Alex, we see you when come"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "screen X."}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:58", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:47:00", "text": ">> hi Ava. Hi Alex, we see you."}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:01", "text": ">> I'm sorry. People down the hallway are"}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "probably like, \"What the hell is going"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "on?\""}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:08", "text": ">> All right, what do we got? What do we"}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:10", "text": "got? I'll try to get I'll try to blast"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:15", "text": "through these if I can. Uh, thank you"}, {"start": "01:47:10", "end": "01:47:17", "text": "for the 20 watchman's mitti."}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:19", "text": "appreciate that. There's um BB Buster"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "dropping memberships on everybody so you"}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:24", "text": "spend it on the use that coupon the"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:24", "text": "Wi-Fi store."}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:33", "text": "Michael uh first ad files welcome. It's"}, {"start": "01:47:29", "end": "01:47:34", "text": "usually not this uh messy."}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:38", "text": "Love this community. God bless you all."}, {"start": "01:47:34", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "Uh anyone new love for an old Y files"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "lover?"}, {"start": "01:47:42", "end": "01:47:47", "text": ">> Love you. What does that mean? No."}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:50", "text": ">> What? It's just love."}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:52", "text": ">> Yeah. All love. It's all love."}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "Juliana lounge lives forever."}, {"start": "01:47:58", "end": "01:48:03", "text": "Oh no. They're going to make me play it"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "again."}, {"start": "01:48:03", "end": "01:48:11", "text": "You have to play it again. Lexicon 812"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:11", "text": "drops in 2112."}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "A modernday goldfish lives in style, but"}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "you haven't tipped in quite a while."}, {"start": "01:48:32", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "My money."}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:48", "text": ">> Sounds like you missed the after. Glad"}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:50", "text": "you're back. All the best to you in the"}, {"start": "01:48:48", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "team. Thanks, Lex. Any excuse. Any"}, {"start": "01:48:50", "end": "01:48:56", "text": "excuse to uh to play rush."}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:57", "text": "You Everyone gets that. Gets that,"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:00", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:48:57", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "212."}, {"start": "01:49:00", "end": "01:49:06", "text": "Victoria doesn't. She's too young."}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:11", "text": ">> Older than you two."}, {"start": "01:49:06", "end": "01:49:11", "text": ">> It's a It's a Russia album."}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:14", "text": ">> Admin admin. Agent the White House team."}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:15", "text": "Thank you so much for all your hard"}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:17", "text": "work. I hope you go back to the Joe"}, {"start": "01:49:15", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "Rogan podcast. Reveal more interesting"}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:20", "text": "facts. Keep up the good work. Thanks"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:23", "text": "again. I'll be hanging out with Joe in a"}, {"start": "01:49:20", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "in a month or two. I think gonna try and"}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:29", "text": "see Joe and Jamie uh in one trip if I"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "can."}, {"start": "01:49:29", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "Jackson Keel. very reliable. Thank you"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:35", "text": "for the 20. Jackson has been around for"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "a long time. There's Paul dropping 50"}, {"start": "01:49:35", "end": "01:49:41", "text": "memberships in the chat for you guys."}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:42", "text": "Nicely done."}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:45", "text": "And thank you for the super sticker. The"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:45", "text": "Miss Cherries."}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "Did I get everybody?"}, {"start": "01:49:49", "end": "01:49:53", "text": ">> I think so."}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:57", "text": ">> I I think so."}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:59", "text": ">> All right, we're all caught up."}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "Nice."}, {"start": "01:49:59", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "Let me just make sure."}, {"start": "01:50:04", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "I think we're mostly caught up. I"}, {"start": "01:50:06", "end": "01:50:11", "text": "thought I saw Gary zip by."}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:12", "text": ">> Oh, I put it up in earlier when we were"}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "talking about it."}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:17", "text": ">> It was just a chat. I mean, he just gave"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:19", "text": "us a hundred bucks. No, no comment."}, {"start": "01:50:17", "end": "01:50:20", "text": ">> He just gave it. That's all. Just a"}, {"start": "01:50:19", "end": "01:50:22", "text": "hundred bucks."}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:24", "text": ">> He's a big YouTube star. He can He can"}, {"start": "01:50:22", "end": "01:50:25", "text": "afford it. Media Spliceer, how many"}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "highlighted chats do you get as a paid"}, {"start": "01:50:25", "end": "01:50:30", "text": "subscriber?"}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:32", "text": "None. I don't think you get any."}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:33", "text": ">> Oh, they do. They come through. You've"}, {"start": "01:50:32", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "been reading some."}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:34", "text": ">> Oh, they do?"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:36", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:37", "text": ">> Oh, you remember? I think your name is"}, {"start": "01:50:36", "end": "01:50:37", "text": "in green."}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:41", "text": ">> Yeah, like this."}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:41", "text": ">> Like that."}, {"start": "01:50:44", "end": "01:50:47", "text": ">> Einstein thinks Hacklefish is an alien."}, {"start": "01:50:46", "end": "01:50:48", "text": "He might be right about that. He's"}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:50", "text": "definitely a crypted."}, {"start": "01:50:48", "end": "01:50:52", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:50:50", "end": "01:50:52", "text": ">> crypted alien."}, {"start": "01:50:52", "end": "01:50:54", "text": ">> Like the crab."}, {"start": "01:50:52", "end": "01:50:56", "text": ">> I'm in the regular chat now. There's"}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "some good Oh, this is where the good"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:01", "text": "stuff is."}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:02", "text": ">> This is where the good stuff is."}, {"start": "01:51:01", "end": "01:51:04", "text": ">> Giveaway tonight. Do you want to do a"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:05", "text": "contest? You want to do a giveaway?"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:09", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:09", "text": ">> What are we going to give away?"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:15", "text": ">> The After Files contest. It's so easy to"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "play."}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:21", "text": "Type the word that you see and it could"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:25", "text": "be your lucky day. You might win a gift"}, {"start": "01:51:21", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "certificate to the Y pile store, 50"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:31", "text": "bucks to spend on merch, and so much"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:31", "text": "more."}, {"start": "01:51:34", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "Or if you're feeling daring and want"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:49", "text": "your week, type that word and cross your"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "fingers for a prize that can't be beat."}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:55", "text": "Will it be a shopping spree or time with"}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:55", "text": "Victori's"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:13", "text": "low"}, {"start": "01:52:10", "end": "01:52:15", "text": ">> $50 tickets for the White House tour?"}, {"start": "01:52:13", "end": "01:52:16", "text": ">> AJ, we can't hear you."}, {"start": "01:52:15", "end": "01:52:16", "text": ">> I'm gone."}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:17", "text": ">> So low."}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:21", "text": ">> There you are. There you go. You're"}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:23", "text": "back. It was really low."}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:25", "text": ">> I had to turn down."}, {"start": "01:52:23", "end": "01:52:26", "text": ">> Uh, give that Victoria's feet."}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:28", "text": ">> Better. Better."}, {"start": "01:52:26", "end": "01:52:30", "text": ">> Give that Give that Victoria's"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:33", "text": ">> We got four entries."}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:34", "text": ">> Four entries."}, {"start": "01:52:33", "end": "01:52:35", "text": ">> Victoria's feet."}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:37", "text": ">> Jesus."}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:40", "text": ">> Uh, Moon Shadow loves the basement"}, {"start": "01:52:37", "end": "01:52:42", "text": "chats. I'm glad you do. Tomorrow morning"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:45", "text": "is Dr. Michael Salah. That will be a lot"}, {"start": "01:52:42", "end": "01:52:45", "text": "of fun."}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:48", "text": ">> Poor Victoria."}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:51", "text": "Uh,"}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:52", "text": ">> so in can I ask a question to the"}, {"start": "01:52:51", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "audience?"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:58", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:53:00", "text": ">> Okay. We are going to"}, {"start": "01:52:58", "end": "01:53:01", "text": "move the basement over to its own"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:04", "text": "channel called The Basement. What do you"}, {"start": "01:53:01", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "guys think of that? Just question."}, {"start": "01:53:04", "end": "01:53:08", "text": "I mean, I know you're all typing"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:11", "text": "Victoria's Feet now, but this will be"}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:14", "text": "something for us to talk about"}, {"start": "01:53:11", "end": "01:53:16", "text": "soon when we're done."}, {"start": "01:53:14", "end": "01:53:19", "text": ">> Victoria's feet."}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:22", "text": "after uh Victoria's feet, you could put"}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "that up as a poll um uh with the new"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "poll system."}, {"start": "01:53:27", "end": "01:53:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:39", "text": "Um yeah, I know they people so like I"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:42", "text": "know that some people don't like the the"}, {"start": "01:53:39", "end": "01:53:44", "text": "long form the two hours and all that"}, {"start": "01:53:42", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "kind of stuff. So, we'll do like a"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "collaboration with the main channel. So,"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "you guys will still see that that you"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "love the people that love the basement"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:57", "text": "will still see when they come up"}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:54:01", "text": "and you can go subscribe to that one"}, {"start": "01:53:57", "end": "01:54:03", "text": "because awesome. Um, but right now, and"}, {"start": "01:54:01", "end": "01:54:04", "text": "it's really weird and I think some"}, {"start": "01:54:03", "end": "01:54:06", "text": "people aren't getting all of the"}, {"start": "01:54:04", "end": "01:54:12", "text": "notifications."}, {"start": "01:54:06", "end": "01:54:15", "text": "Um, we do two episodes a week. We do a"}, {"start": "01:54:12", "end": "01:54:18", "text": "basement episode goes up."}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:20", "text": "There's one of my boys. That's Bubba."}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:23", "text": ">> Hi, Bubba."}, {"start": "01:54:20", "end": "01:54:27", "text": ">> Bubba. Um,"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "basements go up on Mondays and regular"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:34", "text": "Wi-Fi episodes go up Friday or Saturday."}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "It just kind of depends. Um,"}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:39", "text": ">> you get can't go back there, buddy."}, {"start": "01:54:40", "end": "01:54:45", "text": "AJ, did you notice that a big giant"}, {"start": "01:54:42", "end": "01:54:47", "text": "branch from one of our trees just broke"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "and fell on the street today?"}, {"start": "01:54:47", "end": "01:54:51", "text": ">> I did."}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:52", "text": ">> They fixed it,"}, {"start": "01:54:51", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "but"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": ">> All right. Wind advisory in effect."}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:55:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:01", "text": ">> Thanks, Bubba. Thanks for that."}, {"start": "01:55:02", "end": "01:55:07", "text": "You"}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:09", "text": "get He's stuck in the wires back there."}, {"start": "01:55:07", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "Uh, the stream might just suddenly drop"}, {"start": "01:55:09", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "out."}, {"start": "01:55:13", "end": "01:55:17", "text": ">> Come on, knucklehead."}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:24", "text": ">> Victoria's feet is the word's feet."}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:27", "text": "You can't"}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:30", "text": ">> can't have buddy."}, {"start": "01:55:27", "end": "01:55:30", "text": ">> He cannot."}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:35", "text": ">> No good."}, {"start": "01:55:37", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "All right. What do we got? Elvis says"}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "Elvis"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "says yes to the That's you."}, {"start": "01:55:49", "end": "01:55:53", "text": ">> Do I watch the After Files live stream"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "or do I punch myself in the face? Tough"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "decision."}, {"start": "01:55:59", "end": "01:56:03", "text": ">> It looks like it's a big fat yes."}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:09", "text": "overwhelming. That's kind of I'm"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "relieved to hear that. Um,"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:12", "text": ">> chat, we gonna take a little bit of"}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:15", "text": "financial hit. So, Christmas bonus is"}, {"start": "01:56:12", "end": "01:56:18", "text": "going to be light this season."}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:21", "text": ">> They gonna be light."}, {"start": "01:56:18", "end": "01:56:23", "text": ">> It's all going to be good. It's all"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:24", "text": ">> fine. It belongs some It belongs on its"}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:24", "text": "own thing."}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:25", "text": ">> It does"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:28", "text": ">> because I see in the comments all the"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "time, oh, you don't post any regular W"}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:33", "text": "files episodes anymore."}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:36", "text": ">> Yeah. You haven't posted a W episode in"}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "six months."}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:40", "text": ">> Three days ago."}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:44", "text": ">> Yes, I have."}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:45", "text": ">> Every week."}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:46", "text": ">> Every week. And I think we're going to"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "be on time with this week's episode."}, {"start": "01:56:46", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "What do we have coming up? Oh, we're"}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "covering Jean Sticko and the Soviet UFO"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:54", "text": "uh story."}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:56", "text": "So, that's going to be this week's"}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "episode. And the next next week is going"}, {"start": "01:56:56", "end": "01:57:00", "text": "to be about the conspiracy that the"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "Titanic never sank."}, {"start": "01:57:00", "end": "01:57:04", "text": ">> Yes. Pretty good evidence that the"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "Titanic did not sink."}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:10", "text": ">> Yes, that's going to be a good"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:10", "text": ">> fun."}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "They see me swimming in my waist. Send"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:28", "text": "me money cuz you know that my bowl is"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "dirty. Cuz you know my bowl is dirty."}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "Cuz you know my bowl is dirty. Want to"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:35", "text": "smell my bowl? It's dirty. Come sniff my"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "bowl. It's dirty. My poop is nasty. It's"}, {"start": "01:57:35", "end": "01:57:40", "text": "floating. Please tip me cuz you know"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:42", "text": "that my bowl is dirty. Cuz you know my"}, {"start": "01:57:40", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "bowl is dirty cuz you know my bowl is"}, {"start": "01:57:42", "end": "01:57:47", "text": "dirty. Want to smell my bowl? It's"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "dirty. My bowl is dirty."}, {"start": "01:57:47", "end": "01:57:53", "text": ">> House has been awesome. Money for the"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:55", "text": "giveaway. I'll appreciate it."}, {"start": "01:57:53", "end": "01:57:58", "text": ">> I totally forgot about that one. That's"}, {"start": "01:57:55", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "a funny one. Weird Weird Alice is is"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:02", "text": "touring."}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:04", "text": ">> If he's coming"}, {"start": "01:58:02", "end": "01:58:07", "text": ">> coming to where you are, make sure you"}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:11", "text": "go check out a Weird Al show."}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:11", "text": "You will not regret it."}, {"start": "01:58:11", "end": "01:58:14", "text": "Quantum, since we're throwing around the"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "love, just want to say that love to me"}, {"start": "01:58:14", "end": "01:58:17", "text": "and Jan, Victoria, Gino, and the chat."}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:19", "text": "You're the best. That's nice. This"}, {"start": "01:58:17", "end": "01:58:22", "text": "quantum"}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:23", "text": "quantum is the best."}, {"start": "01:58:22", "end": "01:58:25", "text": "Big Rob, have you checked out Jesse"}, {"start": "01:58:23", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "Michael's episode about the Aztec crash?"}, {"start": "01:58:25", "end": "01:58:29", "text": "I haven't, but I'll definitely check"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "that out. Love Jesse's channel. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:58:29", "end": "01:58:32", "text": "about the Ellsworth Air Force Base"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "incident. I haven't seen it, but I'll"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "definitely check it out."}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "If you follow, you should definitely be"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:43", "text": "following Jesse Michaels."}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:45", "text": "Top-notch research. Best in the"}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:48", "text": "business."}, {"start": "01:58:45", "end": "01:58:50", "text": ">> Makes me look bad."}, {"start": "01:58:48", "end": "01:58:52", "text": ">> Super nice."}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:53", "text": ">> Matt, hey. Uh, I love the questions and"}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:55", "text": "approach the interviews you bring to the"}, {"start": "01:58:53", "end": "01:58:57", "text": "basement. up has sent me down a rabbit"}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "hole of Caesar Aristotle. PS Rush is the"}, {"start": "01:58:57", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "best band ever. I can't I can't dispute"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "that. I'm glad that you went down the"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "rabbit hole. I you know I don't know how"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:08", "text": "well do I don't even know how well did"}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "that episode do."}, {"start": "01:59:08", "end": "01:59:11", "text": ">> It's doing good."}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:12", "text": ">> Is it?"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:59:12", "end": "01:59:17", "text": ">> It's like if you're not into ancient"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:20", "text": "Rome or that kind of stuff"}, {"start": "01:59:17", "end": "01:59:22", "text": ">> you're gonna hate it."}, {"start": "01:59:20", "end": "01:59:24", "text": ">> You would you'll just have to keep"}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "Google next to you. So you can look up"}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:28", "text": "all the names."}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:30", "text": ">> He knows his stuff."}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:32", "text": ">> Yeah. So I sit down to meet Dr. Alex"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:37", "text": "Pekkus for the first time and I'm a huge"}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "fan of his work. And he said, um,"}, {"start": "01:59:37", "end": "01:59:40", "text": "you know, I hope I hope that your"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:43", "text": "audience doesn't find or I hope you"}, {"start": "01:59:40", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "don't find my stuff boring. And I said,"}, {"start": "01:59:43", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "doc, I love that old shit."}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:54", "text": ">> I do."}, {"start": "01:59:51", "end": "01:59:58", "text": ">> I know. on our last vacation."}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "02:00:01", "text": "I think just I read uh Rubicon"}, {"start": "01:59:58", "end": "02:00:03", "text": "and"}, {"start": "02:00:01", "end": "02:00:05", "text": "SPQR I think a couple of books in"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:06", "text": "ancient Rome when that was my vacation."}, {"start": "02:00:05", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "So it was perfect timing to have Alex"}, {"start": "02:00:06", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "in."}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:10", "text": "And have I told the Senica death story"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:12", "text": "on the stream?"}, {"start": "02:00:10", "end": "02:00:13", "text": ">> I don't think I have time to do it"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "tonight."}, {"start": "02:00:13", "end": "02:00:17", "text": ">> I don't think I've done my death of"}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:19", "text": "Senica bit."}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:24", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:00:19", "end": "02:00:24", "text": ">> Yeah. AJ's over know is"}, {"start": "02:00:24", "end": "02:00:27", "text": ">> uh he's"}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:32", "text": ">> You guys know who Senica is?"}, {"start": "02:00:27", "end": "02:00:32", "text": ">> He's some old Greek or Roman dude."}, {"start": "02:00:33", "end": "02:00:38", "text": ">> Good guess."}, {"start": "02:00:34", "end": "02:00:38", "text": ">> She She's not wrong."}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:43", "text": ">> Love it."}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:45", "text": ">> You should uh you should do the giveaway"}, {"start": "02:00:43", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "now."}, {"start": "02:00:45", "end": "02:00:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:00:49", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "Oh, do the giveaway."}, {"start": "02:00:50", "end": "02:00:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:55", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:57", "text": ">> I can't read that."}, {"start": "02:00:55", "end": "02:00:57", "text": ">> I don't I don't want to tell the story,"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:00:59", "text": "but"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:02", "text": ">> Well, tell the story first."}, {"start": "02:00:59", "end": "02:01:05", "text": ">> No, no, no. It's it's it it's a 12minute"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "bit on, you know, there's not a lot of I"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "don't know if there's a lot of ancient"}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "Rome comedy fans out there if they want"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "to hear my senior. He's got one of the"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "best alltime historical deaths."}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:16", "text": ">> Fine, I'll do it. No, I'll do it next"}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:18", "text": "time."}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "All right, last chance for Victoria's"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:24", "text": "feet. Victoria's feet is one word."}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:01:24", "end": "02:01:30", "text": "here we go. There's Sled, Chris, Beacon,"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "David, Brenda, Tree, Jim, Will, Ma, CMR,"}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:37", "text": "Zena, RH, Anthony, K, Thomas, Lee, J5,"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:39", "text": "Straight Jacket, Nine, Purf, 95 is"}, {"start": "02:01:37", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "winner."}, {"start": "02:01:39", "end": "02:01:45", "text": ">> You are the winner."}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:49", "text": ">> Congratulations to our winner. I bet you"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "can't believe your luck."}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:55", "text": "You can now buy W Files merch. We swear"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "it doesn't suck."}, {"start": "02:01:55", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "Take your winning butt to Discord and"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "open a ticket there."}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "We'll quickly send your prize to you by"}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "land or sea your"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:20", "text": ">> I KNOW I MADE A promise about victorious"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:23", "text": "feet."}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "Sadly that cannot happen even though it"}, {"start": "02:02:23", "end": "02:02:29", "text": "be so sweet."}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:32", "text": "But look at allies"}, {"start": "02:02:29", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "that feature"}, {"start": "02:02:32", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "fish."}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:42", "text": "I'm sure you'll find the perfect prize"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:42", "text": "to fulfill your every wish."}, {"start": "02:02:42", "end": "02:02:46", "text": ">> Is there a KOD? Are we done? Okay."}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "Congratulations, Straight Jacket. Go to"}, {"start": "02:02:46", "end": "02:02:51", "text": "Discord, open a ticket, and prize"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:54", "text": ">> and you win a $50 gift certificate to"}, {"start": "02:02:51", "end": "02:02:55", "text": "the store."}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "That's That's"}, {"start": "02:02:55", "end": "02:02:57", "text": ">> Victoria will send a picture of her"}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:02:59", "text": "feet, though."}, {"start": "02:02:57", "end": "02:03:01", "text": ">> No, she will not. Stop."}, {"start": "02:02:59", "end": "02:03:03", "text": ">> You can pick the color nail polish."}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:07", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "02:03:03", "end": "02:03:07", "text": ">> they're gonna have to let me keep going."}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:14", "text": ">> And uh choose the color. Uh"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:16", "text": "my favorite one she does is poker face."}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:18", "text": "That's a nice one. It's kind of like a"}, {"start": "02:03:16", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "dark red."}, {"start": "02:03:18", "end": "02:03:21", "text": "But it's up to you guys. Maybe you go"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:24", "text": "brown. Maybe you like pink. Pink on the"}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:27", "text": "toes. Orange."}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:27", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:30", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:32", "text": ">> Mike D says, \"Yes, separate channel, but"}, {"start": "02:03:30", "end": "02:03:33", "text": "you still have to crossromote it on the"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "main channel that drives your traffic.\""}, {"start": "02:03:33", "end": "02:03:37", "text": "Of course, I'll be watching regardless."}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "Yeah, we'll crossromote it with um with"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "the collab link."}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:45", "text": "But wait, anything coming to Noah's Arc"}, {"start": "02:03:42", "end": "02:03:47", "text": "stuff? They I mean, they went back to"}, {"start": "02:03:45", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "that site in Turkey,"}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:51", "text": ">> but I think it's it's mostly just to"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:52", "text": "drum up. The echo's killing me. mostly"}, {"start": "02:03:51", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "just to drum up the tourist traffic"}, {"start": "02:03:52", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "because I debunked most of that story."}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:03", "text": ">> The the lead investigator on it um had"}, {"start": "02:04:01", "end": "02:04:04", "text": "the day that they were going to start"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:07", "text": "drilling down had his apartment"}, {"start": "02:04:04", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "ransacked."}, {"start": "02:04:07", "end": "02:04:11", "text": "Not sure related or not, but"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:14", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:14", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "02:04:15", "end": "02:04:22", "text": "Uh,"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "is that the one with Noah's Arc?"}, {"start": "02:04:22", "end": "02:04:28", "text": ">> I mean, you did a Noah's Arc one."}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:32", "text": ">> Yeah. I just don't know if it Yeah, it's"}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "it's this guy right here."}, {"start": "02:04:32", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "That's the one that we debunked."}, {"start": "02:04:37", "end": "02:04:41", "text": "Good story, though."}, {"start": "02:04:43", "end": "02:04:46", "text": "media says uh kudos to the entire team"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "amazing work produc so many different"}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:50", "text": "shows have you ever looked into all the"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "paranormal stuff going on top Arizona"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:54", "text": "tombstone bis being Douglas I haven't"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:55", "text": "but I've been I this one of my favorite"}, {"start": "02:04:54", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "parts of the country is that down that"}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "way I love tombstone definitely a"}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:02", "text": "haunted place if you guys are into that"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:04", "text": "old west kind of stuff I think on on"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:06", "text": "Saturdays and Sundays they do a"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "recreation of the shootout at the OK"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:11", "text": "Corral with the York brothers and the"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:14", "text": "and the and the clant gang I think I the"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:15", "text": "names, right?"}, {"start": "02:05:14", "end": "02:05:17", "text": ">> You guys know the names of the her"}, {"start": "02:05:15", "end": "02:05:18", "text": "brothers?"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:22", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:05:18", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "Wyatt, Morgan, and Virgil."}, {"start": "02:05:22", "end": "02:05:26", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:28", "text": ">> And wasn't there a fourth brother?"}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:30", "text": ">> There was. I think his name was Willie."}, {"start": "02:05:28", "end": "02:05:33", "text": ">> I wasn't make it in the movie."}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:36", "text": ">> No, he didn't make it."}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:36", "text": ">> Cutting room floor."}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:41", "text": ">> He didn't make it. Uh Newton and James."}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:45", "text": "by the other two brothers, Newton,"}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:46", "text": "James, Virgil, Morgan, and Warren."}, {"start": "02:05:45", "end": "02:05:48", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:51", "text": ">> and of course, Wyatt,"}, {"start": "02:05:48", "end": "02:05:51", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:06:00", "text": ">> More's feet are nasty. Also an episode"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:06:03", "text": "about starved rocket rock in ill"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:06", "text": ">> probably Illinois would be my guess."}, {"start": "02:06:03", "end": "02:06:08", "text": ">> Starved rock."}, {"start": "02:06:06", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "02:06:08", "end": "02:06:13", "text": ">> writing it down."}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "Starbox State Park."}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "Is it haunted? They say part of the"}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "state charact"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:26", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "02:06:26", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "fantasy drama with Prancer. I'm not"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "seeing anything good here,"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "but I'll look into it."}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "Uh, Gigi, a huge fan, long time"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:43", "text": "subscriber. Appreciate that. Just"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "emailed your partnership email about my"}, {"start": "02:06:43", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "sci-fi novel, The Fifth Voice, which"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:48", "text": "mentions me, Heckovich, and the Y Files."}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "Said the actual excerpt, too. Just want"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "to make sure it reaches you. I don't"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "think we've gotten it yet."}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:57", "text": "But if you sent it to uh to our box, we"}, {"start": "02:06:56", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "definitely will get it. How often do we"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:01", "text": "go pick up the mail?"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:04", "text": ">> About once a week."}, {"start": "02:07:01", "end": "02:07:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:07:06", "end": "02:07:10", "text": "W Rose, thank you for the 25. Appreciate"}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:15", "text": "that. Wizard dropping a couple of bucks"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:15", "text": "in Canadian for the bowl cleansing fund."}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:18", "text": "Adam, if you do the W follow page, you"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "should also put the recommended reading"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "books and hyperlinks for each topic that"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "is dedicated to that episode. Oh, glad"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "you mentioned that."}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:30", "text": ">> Can we link to that? Is that linked on"}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:32", "text": "the site? Yes, it is. Of course, it is."}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:33", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "there it is."}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "You can go to library.wyfiles.com"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:44", "text": "and you'll see all of our episodes."}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "You can browse by subject, whatever"}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:49", "text": "you're into."}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:50", "text": "Or if there's a guest that you liked on"}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:53", "text": "the basement, all their books are linked"}, {"start": "02:07:50", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "there. That's library.wfiles.com. And"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:08:00", "text": "you can get there directly from the Wow"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:02", "text": "site."}, {"start": "02:08:00", "end": "02:08:03", "text": "So, big big shout out to Hybrid for"}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:06", "text": "putting this together. You did a great"}, {"start": "02:08:03", "end": "02:08:06", "text": "job."}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:11", "text": ">> Our coffee, I'm so lost between the chat"}, {"start": "02:08:09", "end": "02:08:13", "text": "and y'all's conversation. Lol. So are"}, {"start": "02:08:11", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "we, man."}, {"start": "02:08:13", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "I I told you."}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:18", "text": ">> Oh, boy. It's live stream amateur hour"}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "again."}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:22", "text": ">> I have covered the Kexburg UFO in um in"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:26", "text": "an episode, Chief. I don't remember"}, {"start": "02:08:22", "end": "02:08:26", "text": "which one though."}, {"start": "02:08:26", "end": "02:08:31", "text": ">> One, right? the fireball that flew down."}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "Kind of looked like the Nazi bell,"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:36", "text": ">> right? It looked like the Glocka."}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:37", "text": ">> I might have covered it in the Nazi,"}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:39", "text": ">> but that was a good one. That that"}, {"start": "02:08:37", "end": "02:08:41", "text": "crashed and the military showed up and"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:44", "text": "shoot people out of there. The official"}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:45", "text": "story is that it was a a fallen"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:48", "text": "satellite."}, {"start": "02:08:45", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "I don't buy it."}, {"start": "02:08:48", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "Mike is always up for a new channel."}, {"start": "02:08:53", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "Ma will tip extra for for a new channel."}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:00", "text": "Finally, a human who gets it."}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:02", "text": ">> Yeah, I just would be happy to see that"}, {"start": "02:09:00", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "basement go away."}, {"start": "02:09:02", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "Hey, old old school teach weirdo fist"}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:09", "text": "and whisper you. Nice."}, {"start": "02:09:08", "end": "02:09:11", "text": "Nice. Love the content. Keep a long"}, {"start": "02:09:09", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "form. We enjoyed watching you guys like"}, {"start": "02:09:11", "end": "02:09:14", "text": "a weekly TV show back there. Can't wait"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "to see you dominating YouTube. We're"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:18", "text": "trying, man."}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:19", "text": "Everyone should go vote for the signal"}, {"start": "02:09:18", "end": "02:09:21", "text": "awards, right?"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:22", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:26", "text": "So, this is really cool. I'll brag about"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:30", "text": "it. So there is an award for uh podcasts"}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "called the signal awards and AJ the Y"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:36", "text": "files has been nominated for best video"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:40", "text": "best video podcast and AJ has been"}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "nominated for best host. So we're very"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "excited about that. And"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:46", "text": "so go vote if you if you have a chance."}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "That would be awesome."}, {"start": "02:09:46", "end": "02:09:51", "text": ">> Go vote. Uh the way to find it I'm not"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "really sure."}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "I did a community post."}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:10:00", "text": ">> But if you go to Oh,"}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:10:03", "text": ">> the links aren't there."}, {"start": "02:10:00", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "Here they are."}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:08", "text": ">> There we go."}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:12", "text": ">> I'll drop them. Oh, wow. Look at that"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:15", "text": "URL. I can't post that on that screen."}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:15", "text": ">> So, the wife.comsignal_best_podcast"}, {"start": "02:10:17", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "or signal"}, {"start": "02:10:19", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "best host. Let's see if it lets me post"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:10:30", "end": "02:10:34", "text": ">> Yeah. A vote."}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:35", "text": "How are we doing?"}, {"start": "02:10:34", "end": "02:10:40", "text": ">> Great."}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:40", "text": "We're kick kicking butt."}, {"start": "02:10:40", "end": "02:10:43", "text": ">> It doesn't show the percentages on"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:46", "text": "yours."}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:48", "text": ">> Well, cuz he hasn't voted yet."}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:50", "text": ">> Oh, that's right. You haven't voted for"}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:52", "text": "yourself. I'm trying to log in to see"}, {"start": "02:10:50", "end": "02:10:58", "text": "how we're doing."}, {"start": "02:10:52", "end": "02:11:01", "text": ">> When I checked earlier today, let's see."}, {"start": "02:10:58", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "I think you were like 77% on one of"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:06", "text": "them."}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "let me look. Let me look."}, {"start": "02:11:12", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "Looks like um now we're we're losing"}, {"start": "02:11:14", "end": "02:11:19", "text": "ground. I think we're losing ground to"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "Amy Polar."}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:27", "text": "66%"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:30", "text": ">> on best video podcast and then"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "for host 74%."}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:37", "text": ">> And how's the podcast doing?"}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:41", "text": ">> 66 66 and 74."}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:41", "text": ">> You're beating your own podcast."}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:46", "text": ">> Pros are commenting in your PDR in post."}, {"start": "02:11:43", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "Um, hit me up if you want some more swag"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:50", "text": "for your set. Send anything you you"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "like. I'll throw it up there. We want"}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "nothing in return but the irony. Lol's"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:57", "text": "kicking over rocks."}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:12:02", "text": "He's Bro, we appreciate that."}, {"start": "02:11:57", "end": "02:12:04", "text": ">> And we are 8 million away or 8 million"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:11", "text": ">> 8 million."}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:13", "text": ">> We are 8,000 away from 6 million subs."}, {"start": "02:12:11", "end": "02:12:16", "text": ">> So, if y'all aren't subbed yet, please"}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "go subscribe to the channel."}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:21", "text": "It'll be fine. It'll happen when it"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "happens. It's a vanity number."}, {"start": "02:12:21", "end": "02:12:24", "text": "Crush is not a whistleblower. He is a"}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "soldier. And good soldiers follow orders"}, {"start": "02:12:24", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "here. Here."}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "Totally agree."}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "There's bad gifting more memberships."}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:42", "text": "Uh when is he interview tiny?"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:44", "text": "Never."}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "Uh the man do an episode on Dan Bor. I"}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "did a whole episode of Dan B. When am I"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "going to be on Kill Tony? Probably"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:51", "text": "never."}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "I don't know why Tony would have me on"}, {"start": "02:12:51", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "there. I mean, Gino could pull strings"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:57", "text": "if we really wanted it to happen. He"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:12:59", "text": "probably could, but I don't I don't know"}, {"start": "02:12:57", "end": "02:13:01", "text": "if Tony really has people like me on"}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "there,"}, {"start": "02:13:01", "end": "02:13:04", "text": ">> like you."}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:07", "text": ">> But Gino and Tony go back a long time."}, {"start": "02:13:04", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "But I did cover Dan Borch. I forget what"}, {"start": "02:13:07", "end": "02:13:10", "text": "episode it was. It might have been 20"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:13", "text": "and back,"}, {"start": "02:13:10", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "but I even included some of the"}, {"start": "02:13:13", "end": "02:13:19", "text": "the leaked footage from him and his wife"}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:21", "text": "having a fight. I included some leaked"}, {"start": "02:13:19", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "footage from one of his depositions. I"}, {"start": "02:13:21", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "really I really hammered him hard. But,"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "you know, I don't I don't attack people"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:31", "text": "who are alive and around by as a rule"}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:33", "text": "except for stolen valor. I don't like"}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:34", "text": "stolen valor."}, {"start": "02:13:33", "end": "02:13:36", "text": "So, if you claim that you are in the"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "military and you are not, I am coming"}, {"start": "02:13:36", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "for you."}, {"start": "02:13:41", "end": "02:13:46", "text": "Are we regarding to do an episode on"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:48", "text": "Hashed statements in his book? I heard"}, {"start": "02:13:46", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "about them, but I don't know enough to"}, {"start": "02:13:48", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "cover it yet"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "or Paul Helier. That was good"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:55", "text": "suggestions."}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:57", "text": "Our coffee wants to know if there are"}, {"start": "02:13:55", "end": "02:13:59", "text": "any more biblical related. I'm looking"}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:02", "text": "I'm on the lookout for some. Our coffee"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "if you have some suggestions."}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:06", "text": "I love the Bible stories."}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "Asian hands. That's very nice of you to"}, {"start": "02:14:06", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "say. I'm not too good for Kill Tony. I'm"}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "I'm a Tony fan."}, {"start": "02:14:13", "end": "02:14:16", "text": ">> Tony used to come into our studio in LA"}, {"start": "02:14:15", "end": "02:14:18", "text": "all the time."}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:20", "text": ">> Yeah. During co we uh we produced the"}, {"start": "02:14:18", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "show for a little while there. And you"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "know our red band. You guys must go back"}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "almost 15 years now."}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:25", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:28", "text": ">> Coming on 20."}, {"start": "02:14:25", "end": "02:14:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Coming on 20. Uh yeah. So uh we"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "filmed Kill Tony during CO. We also"}, {"start": "02:14:30", "end": "02:14:37", "text": "filmed Tony's um he did like a"}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "Toastmasters, a roast masters uh uh show"}, {"start": "02:14:37", "end": "02:14:42", "text": "that that we filmed. We filmed a pool"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:44", "text": "show with him and Jeremiah Watkins. Um"}, {"start": "02:14:42", "end": "02:14:46", "text": ">> you know, we had just about uh every LA"}, {"start": "02:14:44", "end": "02:14:49", "text": "comic you could think of uh coming"}, {"start": "02:14:46", "end": "02:14:51", "text": "through our studio."}, {"start": "02:14:49", "end": "02:14:52", "text": ">> Mike Cook said, \"I voted. Do I get a"}, {"start": "02:14:51", "end": "02:14:53", "text": "sticker?\""}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:55", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:14:53", "end": "02:14:58", "text": ">> Uh yeah. If you want, open a ticket on"}, {"start": "02:14:55", "end": "02:15:00", "text": "Discord. I'll send you a sticker."}, {"start": "02:14:58", "end": "02:15:02", "text": "or or send a self-address stamped"}, {"start": "02:15:00", "end": "02:15:05", "text": "envelope to our post office box and I'll"}, {"start": "02:15:02", "end": "02:15:08", "text": "put some stuff in there."}, {"start": "02:15:05", "end": "02:15:10", "text": ">> Sass."}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:14", "text": ">> Marky Marcus Hecklefish's feed. That"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "That's not going to win. You missed it."}, {"start": "02:15:17", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> I'm just looking at the chat. See if"}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:22", "text": "there's anything I missed."}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:26", "text": "Fisg. It was hard not to vote for Amy,"}, {"start": "02:15:25", "end": "02:15:28", "text": "but I don't watch regularly. Oh, I"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:30", "text": "appreciate that. Fisk gig. Oh,"}, {"start": "02:15:28", "end": "02:15:34", "text": ">> tough to go up against Amy and uh and"}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:36", "text": "Oprah. A tough personality to beat."}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:38", "text": ">> AJ had been sleeping and I text him. I'm"}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "like, you've been nominated for best"}, {"start": "02:15:38", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "host in a podcast and you're up against"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "Oprah."}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:49", "text": ">> He's so over. She's over."}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:50", "text": ">> I'm like, that's such a weird. And I"}, {"start": "02:15:49", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "said to Joey, I'm like, I didn't even"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:54", "text": "know Oprah still hosted anything"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:55", "text": "anymore. I thought she walked around"}, {"start": "02:15:54", "end": "02:15:58", "text": "being I never heard of the Signal"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:16:00", "text": "Awards. I never heard of those."}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:05", "text": "Did you?"}, {"start": "02:16:00", "end": "02:16:09", "text": ">> Not until we started applying for"}, {"start": "02:16:05", "end": "02:16:13", "text": "stuff or submitting, I guess."}, {"start": "02:16:09", "end": "02:16:13", "text": ">> Jay Alen Hanken says, \"Who is Oprah?\""}, {"start": "02:16:13", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "Ryder Cleave will vote for bribes. I If"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:22", "text": "I could super chat back at you, I would."}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:23", "text": ">> DJ, who's the beautiful woman? That's"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "Gina."}, {"start": "02:16:23", "end": "02:16:27", "text": ">> That's pretty sexy back. party."}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:29", "text": ">> He's so pretty."}, {"start": "02:16:27", "end": "02:16:31", "text": ">> Do people still watch Oprah? I don't"}, {"start": "02:16:29", "end": "02:16:32", "text": "know. She's still on TV."}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:36", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. I thought she"}, {"start": "02:16:32", "end": "02:16:39", "text": "just walked around just being rich. I"}, {"start": "02:16:36", "end": "02:16:41", "text": "thought that was her new thing."}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:42", "text": ">> Network."}, {"start": "02:16:41", "end": "02:16:45", "text": ">> I think she has her own network."}, {"start": "02:16:42", "end": "02:16:47", "text": ">> Rich with Steman and let let those"}, {"start": "02:16:45", "end": "02:16:49", "text": "smaller creators have a shot at an"}, {"start": "02:16:47", "end": "02:16:51", "text": "award."}, {"start": "02:16:49", "end": "02:16:53", "text": ">> Uh Ry Dragon asking if I ever covered"}, {"start": "02:16:51", "end": "02:16:56", "text": "Enoch. I have. I did a whole episode on"}, {"start": "02:16:53", "end": "02:16:58", "text": "the book of Enoch. a long"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:17:01", "text": ">> I covered everything in Eno Enoch going"}, {"start": "02:16:58", "end": "02:17:04", "text": "all the way back to uh"}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:05", "text": "the tribes in in Ethiopia"}, {"start": "02:17:04", "end": "02:17:07", "text": "and the full Bible there and the"}, {"start": "02:17:05", "end": "02:17:09", "text": "Keepernast."}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:11", "text": "If you look on the channel, you'll find"}, {"start": "02:17:09", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "it. I It might be part of the Noah's Arc"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:17", "text": "episode, too."}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:20", "text": "Brian Happy, good night. Ken Nimes, good"}, {"start": "02:17:17", "end": "02:17:22", "text": "hi from Colorado."}, {"start": "02:17:20", "end": "02:17:26", "text": "Friends, call me Jay. Appreciate the"}, {"start": "02:17:22", "end": "02:17:28", "text": "vote. Alino voted. Do I get a cookie?"}, {"start": "02:17:26", "end": "02:17:31", "text": "I want a cookie."}, {"start": "02:17:28", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "I want a cookie."}, {"start": "02:17:31", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "There's John from Bristol."}, {"start": "02:17:35", "end": "02:17:39", "text": "Just joined Julian Assange is your guest"}, {"start": "02:17:37", "end": "02:17:42", "text": "tonight. Says WF. He's not, but he's"}, {"start": "02:17:39", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "welcome anytime."}, {"start": "02:17:42", "end": "02:17:45", "text": ">> That'd be interesting."}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:48", "text": ">> If anyone knows Snowden, let him let him"}, {"start": "02:17:45", "end": "02:17:48", "text": "know that he's welcome anytime."}, {"start": "02:17:49", "end": "02:17:52", "text": ">> Or coffee is looking for an episode on"}, {"start": "02:17:50", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "Area 52 or the Dougway proving grounds."}, {"start": "02:17:52", "end": "02:17:55", "text": "It was a wild place. Spent about six"}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "months there. I was in the army. Some"}, {"start": "02:17:55", "end": "02:17:58", "text": "wild stuff in the sky. It's what got me"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:00", "text": "into skywatching."}, {"start": "02:17:58", "end": "02:18:02", "text": "That isn't that where the flaming horse"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "is, do you know? On Dougway."}, {"start": "02:18:02", "end": "02:18:08", "text": ">> Uh uh no. I don't know what the flaming"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:12", "text": ">> Harry."}, {"start": "02:18:08", "end": "02:18:16", "text": ">> Oh. Uh no, no, no, no, no. Um that Doug"}, {"start": "02:18:12", "end": "02:18:18", "text": "Way is up in Utah, I believe. Uh"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:19", "text": ">> weird stuff. There's weird stories out"}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:21", "text": "of there."}, {"start": "02:18:19", "end": "02:18:23", "text": ">> Uh yeah. So, it's supposedly a testing"}, {"start": "02:18:21", "end": "02:18:26", "text": "ground, but what it what they say it is"}, {"start": "02:18:23", "end": "02:18:29", "text": "is a testing ground for chemicals and"}, {"start": "02:18:26", "end": "02:18:31", "text": "nuclear stuff and and and how it reacts"}, {"start": "02:18:29", "end": "02:18:33", "text": "uh um on soldiers, things like that."}, {"start": "02:18:31", "end": "02:18:36", "text": "But, of course, there's talks about it"}, {"start": "02:18:33", "end": "02:18:39", "text": "also being an Area 51 and that's where"}, {"start": "02:18:36", "end": "02:18:41", "text": "advanced tech is being tested and also"}, {"start": "02:18:39", "end": "02:18:43", "text": "aliens being kept."}, {"start": "02:18:41", "end": "02:18:45", "text": ">> Yep. Yeah, that'd be a good episode."}, {"start": "02:18:43", "end": "02:18:48", "text": "Paul is back for another $100. You know"}, {"start": "02:18:45", "end": "02:18:48", "text": "what that means?"}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "Yo yo"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "lao"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:18:59", "text": "fish really need some money. I need to"}, {"start": "02:18:57", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "buy some stuff. Fish really need some"}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:05", "text": "money. YouTube don't pay enough. Fish"}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "really need some money. So click the"}, {"start": "02:19:05", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "super chat."}, {"start": "02:19:12", "end": "02:19:15", "text": ">> Paul says we need to do this more often."}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "I agree. I promise next time it'll be a"}, {"start": "02:19:15", "end": "02:19:20", "text": "little smoother. So, we're gonna try to"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:22", "text": "do this."}, {"start": "02:19:20", "end": "02:19:27", "text": ">> We're gonna try to do this once a month"}, {"start": "02:19:22", "end": "02:19:29", "text": "now going forward. One Thursday a month."}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:30", "text": ">> Everyone go check out Let's get the last"}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:33", "text": "plugs in here. Everyone go check out the"}, {"start": "02:19:30", "end": "02:19:35", "text": "Bunker Company Wiles affiliated store"}, {"start": "02:19:33", "end": "02:19:39", "text": "for survival gear, high-tech gadgets,"}, {"start": "02:19:35", "end": "02:19:42", "text": "off-thegrid AI, um"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:45", "text": "text messaging without internet."}, {"start": "02:19:42", "end": "02:19:48", "text": "Just give us a"}, {"start": "02:19:45", "end": "02:19:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh um as I've been traveling you"}, {"start": "02:19:48", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "got there."}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:53", "text": ">> Yeah, this is the the heckle perry I I"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:57", "text": "got right right here. Uh gives you"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:58", "text": "off-grid texting um that uh you don't"}, {"start": "02:19:57", "end": "02:20:01", "text": "need cell phone towers for. You don't"}, {"start": "02:19:58", "end": "02:20:04", "text": "need a SIM card. Um"}, {"start": "02:20:01", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "uh it will allow you to have a private"}, {"start": "02:20:04", "end": "02:20:08", "text": "channel as well with uh Wi-Fi fans. Um"}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:09", "text": "right now,"}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:10", "text": ">> how much you get for that? How much you"}, {"start": "02:20:09", "end": "02:20:15", "text": "want for it?"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:18", "text": ">> Uh I think those are going for $199."}, {"start": "02:20:15", "end": "02:20:22", "text": "Um then we also have off off-grid"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:25", "text": "computers, off-grid laptops um and as"}, {"start": "02:20:22", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "well as uh an off-grid AI which is"}, {"start": "02:20:25", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "really the center"}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:34", "text": ">> the off-grid AI is the center of what"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "we're doing. It's super fast. Um"}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:40", "text": ">> uh what you you see it up there right"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "right there. Uh we have them with with"}, {"start": "02:20:40", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "maps without"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:51", "text": ">> so as you don't make make it easy to do"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:52", "text": "the plugs. We're also offering a"}, {"start": "02:20:51", "end": "02:20:55", "text": ">> you're offering a bundle that you could"}, {"start": "02:20:52", "end": "02:20:58", "text": "get the the heckleberry uh along with"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:21:00", "text": "the uh offgrid AI and Faraday bag uh"}, {"start": "02:20:58", "end": "02:21:03", "text": "that's labeled with the Y files. So if"}, {"start": "02:21:00", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "you go to the bunk company"}, {"start": "02:21:03", "end": "02:21:08", "text": "if you go to bunk company.com right now"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:10", "text": "uh that uh combo is up there. This is"}, {"start": "02:21:08", "end": "02:21:12", "text": "something that I've been working on"}, {"start": "02:21:10", "end": "02:21:14", "text": "personally for the last year and uh as"}, {"start": "02:21:12", "end": "02:21:16", "text": "I've been traveling around the country."}, {"start": "02:21:14", "end": "02:21:19", "text": "I've been developing these products. Uh"}, {"start": "02:21:16", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "they are uh super fast uh off-grid. You"}, {"start": "02:21:19", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "don't need internet. Uh it's good for"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:26", "text": "overlanders. It's good for um uh van"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:28", "text": "life people. It's not just for the"}, {"start": "02:21:26", "end": "02:21:31", "text": "apocalypse, but if the apocalypse hits,"}, {"start": "02:21:28", "end": "02:21:34", "text": "you want to be ready."}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:36", "text": ">> You know, I'm laughing because he does"}, {"start": "02:21:34", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "that to me when I'm trying to tell him a"}, {"start": "02:21:36", "end": "02:21:41", "text": "story. He will like just start talking"}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:45", "text": "in the slingblade voice and distract"}, {"start": "02:21:41", "end": "02:21:47", "text": "trying to distract me or if I'm"}, {"start": "02:21:45", "end": "02:21:50", "text": ">> or if I'm trying to order something at"}, {"start": "02:21:47", "end": "02:21:50", "text": "the"}, {"start": "02:21:50", "end": "02:21:54", "text": ">> It's all right. Let's just make fun of"}, {"start": "02:21:52", "end": "02:21:57", "text": "my life's work. It's fine."}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:21:59", "text": ">> What you want to get for?"}, {"start": "02:21:57", "end": "02:22:01", "text": ">> No. It's just funny to see him do it to"}, {"start": "02:21:59", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "somebody else."}, {"start": "02:22:01", "end": "02:22:06", "text": ">> No, he just left. He's just like,"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:08", "text": "\"Fine.\""}, {"start": "02:22:06", "end": "02:22:11", "text": ">> Yes. Well,"}, {"start": "02:22:08", "end": "02:22:14", "text": ">> well, I appreciate it. Uh I'm glad that"}, {"start": "02:22:11", "end": "02:22:16", "text": "uh uh I'm able to put this up there. Uh"}, {"start": "02:22:14", "end": "02:22:18", "text": "hopefully uh I'll be able to showcase it"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "uh a little more on some of the other"}, {"start": "02:22:18", "end": "02:22:20", "text": "after files. I know we"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:22", "text": ">> Is he doing another plug?"}, {"start": "02:22:20", "end": "02:22:23", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:28", "text": ">> you went away. What do you want me to"}, {"start": "02:22:23", "end": "02:22:28", "text": "do? You want me to leave dead air?"}, {"start": "02:22:29", "end": "02:22:32", "text": ">> This is your first time."}, {"start": "02:22:30", "end": "02:22:34", "text": ">> But you know, joinely."}, {"start": "02:22:32", "end": "02:22:36", "text": ">> Look, if your story, you got to get to"}, {"start": "02:22:34", "end": "02:22:38", "text": "it fast. If your story weaves at all,"}, {"start": "02:22:36", "end": "02:22:40", "text": "I'm going to get in there."}, {"start": "02:22:38", "end": "02:22:41", "text": ">> Wait, this is what Wait a minute. This"}, {"start": "02:22:40", "end": "02:22:44", "text": "is what we paid you for. You're supposed"}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:46", "text": "to be doing the plugs."}, {"start": "02:22:44", "end": "02:22:47", "text": ">> People are very confused. Let me just do"}, {"start": "02:22:46", "end": "02:22:49", "text": "this really quick."}, {"start": "02:22:47", "end": "02:22:50", "text": ">> AJ"}, {"start": "02:22:49", "end": "02:22:54", "text": "Space,"}, {"start": "02:22:50", "end": "02:22:57", "text": ">> you know AJ? I'm AJ's wife. I work at"}, {"start": "02:22:54", "end": "02:22:59", "text": "the channel. That's"}, {"start": "02:22:57", "end": "02:23:01", "text": ">> all right. There she goes. I guess she's"}, {"start": "02:22:59", "end": "02:23:03", "text": "got a tough internet connection there,"}, {"start": "02:23:01", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "Dallas. Um, thank you everyone for"}, {"start": "02:23:03", "end": "02:23:05", "text": "hanging out tonight. I'm sorry it was a"}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:08", "text": "mess. I'm going to try and do this more"}, {"start": "02:23:05", "end": "02:23:10", "text": "often. It will be a lot smoother next"}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:12", "text": "time. I promise. I can't stay late cuz I"}, {"start": "02:23:10", "end": "02:23:14", "text": "got to study for Michael Salah. Just put"}, {"start": "02:23:12", "end": "02:23:19", "text": "that anywhere. You think this passes for"}, {"start": "02:23:14", "end": "02:23:19", "text": "a live stream? Think again."}, {"start": "02:23:19", "end": "02:23:22", "text": ">> Gino, thanks for hanging out tonight."}, {"start": "02:23:21", "end": "02:23:23", "text": "Appreciate the hard work you and Patrick"}, {"start": "02:23:22", "end": "02:23:25", "text": "did."}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:27", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "02:23:25", "end": "02:23:28", "text": ">> All right, there he goes. Jen, thanks"}, {"start": "02:23:27", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "for spending some time with us on your"}, {"start": "02:23:28", "end": "02:23:31", "text": "trip. Appreciate you. And there she"}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:33", "text": "goes. Victoria, couldn't do this without"}, {"start": "02:23:31", "end": "02:23:36", "text": "you. Thanks so much for your help."}, {"start": "02:23:33", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "Big thanks to all the mods who's hanging"}, {"start": "02:23:36", "end": "02:23:40", "text": "out today. Who am I going to forget?"}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:42", "text": "Teach. There's hybrid. There's Paul. Uh"}, {"start": "02:23:40", "end": "02:23:44", "text": "AC was in there. Uh we saw Mary Jane was"}, {"start": "02:23:42", "end": "02:23:46", "text": "there."}, {"start": "02:23:44", "end": "02:23:48", "text": "There's LRP."}, {"start": "02:23:46", "end": "02:23:50", "text": "Thanks to everyone who joined, became a"}, {"start": "02:23:48", "end": "02:23:52", "text": "member. And especially uh big thanks to"}, {"start": "02:23:50", "end": "02:23:55", "text": "people who gave out memberships. Good"}, {"start": "02:23:52", "end": "02:23:59", "text": "for 10% off the Wild House store."}, {"start": "02:23:55", "end": "02:24:02", "text": "Okay. Appreciate you guys. Ecklefish,"}, {"start": "02:23:59", "end": "02:24:02", "text": "we'll sing you out."}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:18", "text": "And now"}, {"start": "02:24:15", "end": "02:24:21", "text": "the end is near."}, {"start": "02:24:18", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "And so I face"}, {"start": "02:24:21", "end": "02:24:28", "text": "the final curtain."}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:31", "text": "my friend."}, {"start": "02:24:28", "end": "02:24:34", "text": "I'll stay clear."}, {"start": "02:24:31", "end": "02:24:38", "text": "I'll state my case"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:40", "text": "of which I'm certain."}, {"start": "02:24:38", "end": "02:24:43", "text": "I've lived"}, {"start": "02:24:40", "end": "02:24:46", "text": "a life that's full."}, {"start": "02:24:43", "end": "02:24:50", "text": "I swear down each"}, {"start": "02:24:46", "end": "02:24:53", "text": "each and every highway"}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:56", "text": "and more"}, {"start": "02:24:53", "end": "02:25:00", "text": "much more than this."}, {"start": "02:24:56", "end": "02:25:00", "text": "I did it my"}, {"start": "02:25:00", "end": "02:25:05", "text": "way."}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "I've loved."}, {"start": "02:25:05", "end": "02:25:11", "text": "I've laughed and cried."}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:15", "text": "I've had my fill,"}, {"start": "02:25:11", "end": "02:25:17", "text": "my share illusion."}, {"start": "02:25:15", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "And now"}, {"start": "02:25:17", "end": "02:25:24", "text": "as tears subside,"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "I find it all."}, {"start": "02:25:24", "end": "02:25:30", "text": "It's all so amusing"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:33", "text": "to think"}, {"start": "02:25:30", "end": "02:25:36", "text": "I did all that."}, {"start": "02:25:33", "end": "02:25:40", "text": "And may I say"}, {"start": "02:25:36", "end": "02:25:43", "text": "not in a shy way."}, {"start": "02:25:40", "end": "02:25:46", "text": "Oh no."}, {"start": "02:25:43", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "Oh no. Not me."}, {"start": "02:25:46", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "I did it my"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:59", "text": "way. But what is a fish?"}, {"start": "02:25:55", "end": "02:26:02", "text": "What has he got?"}, {"start": "02:25:59", "end": "02:26:05", "text": "If not himself,"}, {"start": "02:26:02", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "then he has"}, {"start": "02:26:05", "end": "02:26:12", "text": "to say the things"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:12", "text": "he truly feels."}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:25", "text": "I took the blow"}, {"start": "02:26:26", "end": "02:26:30", "text": "and it"}, {"start": "02:26:37", "end": "02:26:41", "text": "Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:43", "text": "you so much. Let's hear it for the WS"}, {"start": "02:26:41", "end": "02:26:45", "text": "house band. You guys sounded great"}, {"start": "02:26:43", "end": "02:26:47", "text": "tonight. And take care of those"}, {"start": "02:26:45", "end": "02:26:51", "text": "waitresses, will you? All right,"}, {"start": "02:26:47", "end": "02:26:53", "text": "everybody. Get home safe."}, {"start": "02:26:51", "end": "02:26:58", "text": "This is Hecklefish."}, {"start": "02:26:53", "end": "02:27:01", "text": "And you know what? I did it my"}, {"start": "02:26:58", "end": "02:27:01", "text": "way."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "to you by Rocket Money."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Betty Cash stood in front of her car"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "staring at the object blocking the road."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "It was as big as a building and it was"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "hot, throwing off flames that she could"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "feel through her coat. It was so loud"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "Betty didn't realize Vicki was screaming"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "for her to get back in the car."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "Betty grabbed the door handle and pulled"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "her hand back. It was too hot to touch."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "She used her coat to open the door."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "Betty, Vicki, and Vickiy's grandson,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Colby watched the object lift up and fly"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "away. They were terrified, but glad it"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "was over. But in a few days, all their"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "hair was falling out."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> I'm sick of this. I don't give a damn"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "who it is, but I'm going to marry"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "somebody today."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Ewing. Ewing. I have a crisis."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Fullblown."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> Is Wyatt's head stuck in the ice maker"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "again?"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> No. No. That was just an igloo phase."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "He's back to dams now. Look, Gertie's"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "dropping in"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> about what?"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": ">> A wedding. She wants to get married."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "It's all over my credit card statement."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "Look, tied a knot. A monthly"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "subscription. Uh, she's not exactly"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "being subtle."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> That That could be anything."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> Are you kidding me? I'm faxing the"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "statement over to you right now. I left"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "my fax machine in my Delorean. Can you"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "just text me?"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> Fine."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> You don't need to use the eggplant emoji"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "so much."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> Yeah, focus. Look at all those tie the"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "knots, save the date, best man. That's"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "not a credit card statement. That's a"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "vision board."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Tie the knot is a knot tying course."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "It's a nautical subscription."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> When she asked me about my main mast, I"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "thought that was a pillow talk. Save the"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Date is a magazine about saving date"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "palms."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Who's out there killing date palms? Big"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "raisin or big prune."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> Uh, cold feet is a sock of the month"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "club."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Gertie has four feet. That's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "sock."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> And best man is a beard oil"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "subscription."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> Oh, that explains why her fur is so"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "silky."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Um, also this isn't Gertie statement."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "This is yours."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Oh, Bloopus. That's right. Bloopus makes"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "you say yes to things. Uh, that explains"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "the bees."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> Did you say bees?"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Uh, so nobody wants to marry me. Huh? I"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "feel empty inside. Uh, that usually"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "doesn't hit till the honeymoon."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> That's why you need Rocket Money. 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You can also scan the QR"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "code or click the link down below."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> Racketmoney.com/wyfiles."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> You got it."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": ">> You know what? It's fine. I've done the"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "wedding thing three times. At some"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "point, you have to ask yourself, is it"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "them or is it me? And"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> it's them."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Hey, baby. What's with the mosquito net?"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> Uh, I think that's a veil."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> Wyatt, put down that Bible."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> On Monday night, December 29th, 1980,"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "Betty Cash wanted to play bingo. Betty"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "ran a truck stop restaurant outside"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "Dayton, Texas, about 40 mi outside"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "Houston. Vicki waited tables for her."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "Vickiy's grandson, Colby, was six. They"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "drove to the bingo hall in the next"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "town, closed for the holidays. They"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "drove to the one after that, closed. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "they ate supper at a truck stop and took"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "the backway home down Farm Road 1485"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "through the pines with Colby on the"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "front seat between them. A little after"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "9, Vicki pointed at a light over the"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "trees. Betty figured it was a plane on"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "approach to Houston Airport, so she kept"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "driving. Then, the light slowed down,"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "dropped, and stopped over the road ahead"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "of them, right at the treetops."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Betty hit the brakes before they drove"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "under it. It was too bright to look at,"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "brighter than the sun. Betty never saw a"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "shape. Kobe did. He said it was a"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "diamond, a big diamond standing on its"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "point. Betty said it was as big as a"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "water tower, and it roared like a jet."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "There was also a high-pitched sound"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "under the roar, like a shriek."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Then fire came out of the bottom. It"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "shot a cone of flame straight down at"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "the road. The fire varied in intensity"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "which caused the object to bob up and"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "down in the air. It seemed like it was"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "struggling. The heat came through the"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "windshield and the inside of the car got"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "hotter and hotter. So Betty opened her"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "door, got out and walked around to the"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "front of the car to see it better. Vicki"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "got out too with one arm around Colby"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "and Colby lost it. He screamed and cried"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "and dragged her back to the car. He got"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "in and crawled down onto the floorboard"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "and she held him there. Vicki told the"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "boy not to be afraid, that it was okay"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "to look because if anything came out of"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "it, it would be Jesus. Colby wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "look."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Nothing calms a six-year-old down"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "like, \"Don't worry, the giant burning"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "diamond is Jesus.\""}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Betty stood at the front of the car for"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "15 minutes, maybe longer. Vicki was"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "screaming at her to get in as the heat"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "came down in waves. Betty didn't move."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "She just stood there and stared into the"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "light. When she finally went for the"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "door, the handle was too hot to touch."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "She pulled her coat sleeve down over her"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "hand and got it open that way. The ring"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "on her finger left a burn on her skin."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "She got in and the car was dead. The"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "engine stopped at some point, but none"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "of them noticed when. Vicki had her hand"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "pressed flat on the dashboard and the"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "vinyl was warm and soft enough to take"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "an impression of her fingers. Then the"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "fire surged one more time and the object"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "went up over the trees and off to the"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "southwest. Betty turned the key and the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "car started. Colby came up from the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "floorboard and that's when they saw the"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "helicopters. Not one, not a few. They"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "came in from every direction and closed"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "on the craft as it climbed. Big"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "helicopters with two rotors. Betty"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "started counting. She stopped counting"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "at 23."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Betty drove 7 miles to the stop sign at"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "Farm Road 1960 with the window down and"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "the sky full of helicopters. They came"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "past the car, over the car, and then"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "across the road. They were so close"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "together, she thought they would crash."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "The bright object was still up there"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "over the trees, and the helicopters"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "followed it. The helicopters glowed from"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "the bright light reflecting off of them."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Vicki thought the craft was in trouble,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and the helicopters were trying to help"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "it, or guarded."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "The big ones had a rotor at each end and"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "a cabin as long as a bus. Those were"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "CH47 Chinooks, the Army's heavy lift"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "helicopter. They kept driving toward"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Dayton. Behind them, the craft was a red"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "glow in the rear window and then it was"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "gone with the helicopters after it. Not"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "far away, a mother and her daughter"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "watched helicopters come in from every"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "direction with their search lights on."}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "They were closing on a big glow over the"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "trees. 20 minutes later, Betty drove"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "into Dayton, and there were helicopters"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "there, too. Just before 10:00, Betty"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "dropped Vicki and Kobe off at their"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "house. She drove home and called her son"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "to tell him what she saw. Then she sat"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "down in a chair and once she sat down,"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "she couldn't get back up."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "After about a half hour in that chair,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "Betty's skin burned like the worst"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "sunburn she ever had."}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Large blisters came up on her scalp and"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "neck. Then they burst and clear fluid"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "ran down her face. By morning, she was"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "still in that chair. Her eyes were"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "swollen shut and her hair was coming"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "At Vickiy's house, Colby threw up in"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "bed. Then Vicki threw up. They took"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "turns vomiting all night. Vicki blamed"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "the food at the truck stop. At"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "breakfast, Vicki and Colby were both"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "sunburned. At least that's what Vicki"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "thought it was. But it was a cloudy day."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "She told Colby not to tell anybody what"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "happened because they'd never believe"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "him. Betty felt the same way. She"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "wouldn't see a doctor because she didn't"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "think a doctor would believe her. She"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "was worried people would just laugh. So"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "Vicki came, got her, and brought her"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "back to her place. Even though Vicki was"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "now almost blind, she nursed Betty for 3"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "days. When Vickiy's husband asked what"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "was wrong, Vicki told him blood clots,"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "nothing to worry about. But Betty got"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "worse."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "On the fourth day, Betty's"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "daughter-in-law drove her to the"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "hospital. They admitted her as a burn"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "patient. Betty told them she wasn't"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "burned, but she didn't say anything"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "about what really happened. Then Betty's"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "daughter came to see her."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> I walked in and walked right back out. I"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "thought I was in the wrong room. That"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "wasn't my mother's face. It was swollen"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "and red and her eyes were shut. It"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "looked like she'd been under a sunlamp."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "When I rubbed her forehead, water just"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "squirted out. I'd never seen anything"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "like it."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> The doctors sent her home after 17 days."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "6 days later, she was back. And now her"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "hair came out in clumps."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> It was as though my doctor was afraid."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "He told me I was going to go home, but"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "he never did tell me what was wrong with"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "me. They had me washing my scalp in"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "iodine every day. My hair was coming out"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "in my hands, and nobody would say why."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> For a month, the doctors didn't know"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "about the incident on the road. Then"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "Colby came to see her in the hospital"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "and told the doctor what happened. The"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "doctor said he might have tried a"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "different approach if he knew what"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "happened, but he admitted he never"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "treated anyone who encountered a UFO. he"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "was being serious. Nobody official"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "called. No sheriff, no base, no agency."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "So, 5 weeks after the incident, Vicki"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "called a UFO hotline. She asked the"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "stranger who answered one question."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Could the craft have made Betty sick?"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "The hotline passed the case along, and"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "the first UFO investigator who took it"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "up sold it to a tabloid. The Weekly"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "World News ran it. And if you remember"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Bat Boy, that's the paper. The headline"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "was three survive UFO attack."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "The tabloid's writer said he had a"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "source. The craft was in radio contact"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "with the military that night. It was"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "experiencing difficulty and it required"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "air assistance."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> I'm not one to believe in flying saucers"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "or nothing like that. It's something the"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "military is up to. There wasn't no sun"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "out that day. It was real cloudy and we"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "come home burned. My grandbaby's hair is"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "coming out. 23 helicopters don't just"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "get lost. Someone knows where the"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "helicopters came from."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> She was right about that."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "The reporter at that paper phoned a NASA"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "engineer in Houston, a man who worked on"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "the space shuttle by day and ran a UFO"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "investigation group at night. His name"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "was John Shusler. John came out to"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "Dayton and went over the car. There were"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "handshaped prints in the vinyl on the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "passenger side of the dash. The plastic"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "on the steering wheel crumbled, and"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "Betty saved the pieces. Then he took"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "Betty back to the road. Along the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "stretch where they stopped, the pine"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "trees were brown and dead, and the"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "pavement looked like it melted and set"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "again. Betty was down to 94 lb, and she"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "threw up for months. She couldn't take a"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "warm bath because blisters came up in 15"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "minutes. She couldn't stand in the sun"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "or in front of a stove. Her hair was"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "mostly gone, so she wore a wig in"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "public. Vickiy's eyes teared for 3"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "months and she saw everything through a"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "film like plastic. Vickiy's fingernails"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "came off. She saved them in a bag for"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "doctors or scientists or anyone who"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "could help. Colby got a bald spot on his"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "head. He couldn't control his bowels."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "Doctors told Vicki that within 8 years"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "the boy might come down with leukemia."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Betty couldn't work. The restaurant"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "closed and her mother took her home to"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Alabama. That spring a radiologist read"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "Betty's chart. He wrote that Betty lost"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "the nails on four fingers of her right"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "hand at the same time. He wrote that her"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "eyelashes were still there and he wrote"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "the word ionizing and we associate that"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "word with radiation."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "A different UFO investigator asked him"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "about a theory, a secret military drone"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "with 23 helicopters out looking for it."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "The radiologist wrote back, \"It then"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "becomes the matter of litigation against"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "US government. No comment.\""}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "He also wrote a number. It takes about"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "200 rims to the skin to make the hair"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "fall out. A chest X-ray gives you about"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "1% of that. A nuclear specialist went"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "further. 2 to 300 rims whole body."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "That's close to a lethal dose. It didn't"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "kill them, but it was more than enough"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "to ruin their lives. So Betty decided"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "someone had to pay, and that someone"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "would be the United States government."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "Betty needed someone in the government"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "to say what burned her. So that summer,"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "she wrote her senators and her"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "congressmen. One of the senators wrote"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "back. He said the Air Force would be"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "most willing to assist her in any way"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "possible."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": ">> A senator left out that the number of"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "possible ways was zero."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": ">> The letter gave an address. It was a"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "base outside Austin. August 17th, 1981."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "Betty, Vicki, and Colby sat down in the"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "law library at Bergstrom Air Force Base."}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "Three Air Force officers sat across the"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "table. Colby was seven now. The officer"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "running the meeting made one thing"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "clear."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "We're an agency that has not"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "investigated UFO sightings in almost 11"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Congress ordered us to stop."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "I'll send a report up to Washington to"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "the office that used to handle these"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "But I want you to understand I am"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "without any power at all to do anything"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "here at this level."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> They talked for hours anyway. Betty told"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "them the whole story and she told them"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "what was printed on the side of the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "helicopters. United States Air Force."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "The officers asked for a drawing. So"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "Betty drew the diamond KBY saw and Vicki"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "drew the flames coming out of the"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "bottom. Both women signed it. Vicki"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "brought the bag with her fingernails in"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "it, but nobody took it. And Colby asked"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "the Air Force about a helicopter he saw"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "land in Dayton. Vicki didn't care about"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "UFOs. She wanted to know who was"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "responsible for them being injured. The"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "officer said, \"I'm afraid I can't answer"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "that.\" And gave them a form to fill out."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "Standard form 95. It's the form you fill"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "out when an army truck hit your car. The"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "officer said, \"Write down what the"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "government did to you. Write down what"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "it owes you. And get yourself a lawyer.\""}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": ">> So the Air Force said, \"We didn't do it."}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "Uh, here's the form to sue us.\" It"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "sounds like a deal."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": ">> It's the Federal TOR Claims Act. If the"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "government hurts you, you file a claim."}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> And then what?"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> And then they decide whether they hurt"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": ">> Yeah. See, the whole racket in one"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "sentence."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": ">> Vicki filed the form. She said finding"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "out who did this might take her a"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "lifetime, but she was going forward"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "anyway. 3 days later, the Air Force"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "responded, not with the search, with a"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "memo."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> They didn't search. They wrote a memo"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "about why searching wasn't necessary."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "and it's the most Air Force sense I've"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "ever heard."}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": ">> The memo said Houston airport's radar"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "would have seen 23 helicopters and the"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "airline pilots landing that night"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "reported nothing. A month later, the"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "state of Texas sent a man to investigate"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "the scene. He drove that stretch of 1485"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "with a geer counter, took soil samples."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "He found nothing unusual. Then he added"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "one interesting line. A sealed source or"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "a machine that makes radiation leaves"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "nothing behind on a road. So, the"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "military wasn't off the hook yet."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "That November, the case went on national"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "television. Vicky Landram was hypnotized"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "on camera for That's Incredible in front"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "of a studio audience. Under hypnosis,"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "she saw something new on the object."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:32", "text": ">> Oh, Lord, it's so bright. It's so hot."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "Holy's crying. Betty's out there by the"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "car and she won't come back. Betty, get"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "in the car. It had some blue on it. They"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "looked like uh looked like little"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "lights. And there's a smell like lighter"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "fluid. It's burning my eyes."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": ">> Millions of people watched a grandmother"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "from Dayton, Texas, tell them the United"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "States military gave her, her grandson,"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "and her friend radiation burns. Vicki"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "said that after that appearance,"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "somebody threatened them, but she"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "wouldn't say more than that. A"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "congressman saw the TV show, too. He"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "wrote to the Pentagon and asked a simple"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "question. Were those our helicopters?"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "The question went to the Air Force,"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "which found no twin rotor helicopters in"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "its inventory. They passed the question"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "on to the army. So, the army gave a"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "colonel one job, find the helicopters."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "He could pull any flight log in the"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "state. So, he ran a search for Chinook"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "helicopters in the area. He found him."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "The colonel's name was George Saran. He"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "worked for the Department of the Army"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "Inspector General, the DIG. In March"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "1982, he called John Shusler, and the"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "first thing he told him was the rule he"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "worked under. The Army had no opinion"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "about the unidentified object or about"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "UFOs in general. He was investigating an"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "injury claim, and that's all. But he"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "promised that if army helicopters were"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "involved and it was their fault, then"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "the army would take responsibility. His"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "own guess before he saw a single log was"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "that this was a helicopter in trouble."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "So he started checking every command"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "with helicopters in Texas from Fort Hood"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "down to every army repair depot on the"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "coast. John gave him a lead. The colonel"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "wrote it in his notes. 100 helicopters,"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "Robert Grey airfield came in for effect."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "Robert Gray is the airfield at Fort"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "Hood."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "Ford Hood said it flew one helicopter"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "that day. It went to Houston and back"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "and it was on the ground right before 8"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "that night. One, not 100, not 23, one."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "Then there was Ellington Field on the"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "other side of Houston. The eight"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "Chinooks there belong to the Texas"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "National Guard, but the commanding"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "officer said none of them left the"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "ground that day. Guard units fly on"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "weekends. A Monday night was unusual. He"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "was 99% sure, and he said the flight"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "records would prove it. 99% sure the"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "other 1% is where I live you."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": ">> But John kept a log of his own. On a"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "Monday of that march, three Chinuks flew"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "out of Ellington. Colonel Saran admitted"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "there were exceptions."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "Then there was the guard pilot. In the"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "spring of 1981, the Guard put a Chinook"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "on display at a livestock show in"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "Dayton, and Vicki went to see it. She"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "got a pilot talking. He told her he flew"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "that night on an emergency call from the"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "county sheriff. Then he stopped. He told"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "her national security kept him from"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "saying more. Saran found the pilot and"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "the pilot told the colonel flat out that"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "he wasn't flying that night. He said all"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "he told Vicki was what he heard on the"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "news that helicopters answered a"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "sheriff's call. So Saran called the"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "sheriff. The office changed hands on New"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "Year's Day 3 days after the incident."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "Nobody worked there that night was there"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "anymore. And the new people said they"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "didn't know the names of the former"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "employees. None of them. Nobody can"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "remember any emergency or any reason to"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "ask for a helicopter."}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": ">> Uh, three days in a whole sheriff's"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "office forgot I worked there. Huh? My"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "divorces have better record keeping."}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": ">> In April, the colonel wrote the result"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "in his log. Numerous inquiries, all"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "feedback negative. Then in May, Saran"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "came down to Texas in person. He sat"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "with Vicki at her house and got Betty on"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "the telephone from Alabama. He brought"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "three men from the Pentagon to read the"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "medical file, and two of them were"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "doctors."}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "Years later, one of them summed up what"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "the three of them concluded. WTF? We had"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "no idea what this was. Colonel Saran"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "took down what Vicki told him about"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "herself. Sores, hair falling out,"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "blackened fingernails, constant"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "diarrhea, loss of appetite, diminished"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "eyesight. And then he wrote, \"The"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "medical evidence of degradation of"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "health seems almost irrefutable.\" He had"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "one witness left. A policeman saw"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "An offduty Dayton policeman and his wife"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "drove down Farm Road 1960 that night, 8"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "miles from town, and helicopters came"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "over them. They had twin rotors. They"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "flew in groups of three in a V 4 or 500"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "ft up. Their search lights swept the"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "ground."}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "The colonel wrote down that the"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "policeman said it was like they were"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "looking for something. The policeman"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "counted 12 and his wife saw the same"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "thing. Neither of them saw an object."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "The policeman and his wife had no"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "connection to Betty or Vicki. They saw"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "what the women saw. Shinooks low over"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "the same highway where the woman pulled"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "over to watch. The day after Colonel"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Saran saw the policeman, an Army Medvac"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "pilot in Houston told him about a quick"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "react force. For 18 months, it moved in"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "and out of Louisiana and Texas. It"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "practiced raids modeled on the hostage"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "rescue that failed in Iran. The"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "helicopters flew off a small carrier in"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "the Gulf of Mexico. They refueled from"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "fuel bladders, which were big rubber"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "tanks set out on the ground inland. The"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "pilot said it was secret and not"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "announced."}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "The day after that, a Houston police"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "captain talked to the policeman. The"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "captain flew helicopters himself. He"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "said he had no doubt the policeman saw"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "CH47s,"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "probably that quick react force. They"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "could refuel from those bladders or from"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "what he called a flat top in the Gulf."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "Saran wrote it down and called John."}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": ">> We may have uncovered a bucket of worms."}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "Everybody keeps telling me nothing flew"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "that night. Now I've got a secret unit"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "nobody announced and a police captain"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "who says your policeman saw shinooks."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "If those were the helicopters over that"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "road, they won't be in any log I can"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "pull. And I've pulled a lot of logs."}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:31", "text": ">> Yeah, a bucket of worms. Don't tease me,"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "Colonel."}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": ">> And while the colonel looked at the"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "bucket of worms, John went back to the"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "road. The stretch was gone. There was"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "fresh asphalt where the car stopped,"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "where the pavement melted and set. The"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "center stripe was crooked where the new"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "lane met the old one. Unmarked trucks"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "came one night, cut the section out,"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "hauled it away, and laid new road before"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "the sun was up. No county road crew"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "works that fast."}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": ">> The only time the government works"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "overnight is when it's removing"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "evidence."}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": ">> Well, that's right. Right, right, right,"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "right. It's day on the FreeJ Epstein"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "way. Saran went back to Washington and"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "sent his last requests out to special"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "ops to air force the Navy and CIA. Then"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "he wrote in his report this. Miss"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "Landram and Miss Cash were credible. The"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "DAIG investigator felt and the next"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "three and a half lines are blacked out."}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "The army blacked out whatever the"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "colonel felt before it let anyone read"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "the page. The sentence picks up again on"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "the other side of the bar. There was no"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "perception that anyone was trying to"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "exaggerate the truth. You can read that"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "page today. The redaction is still"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "there. Colonel Saran's last call to John"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "was in June."}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": ">> Obviously, something happened to the"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "ladies, but an operation that size would"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "have been big time. And big time doesn't"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "stay hidden."}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": ">> And the army still couldn't find one"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "helicopter. So, Betty, Vicki, and Colby"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "did what the Air Force told them to do."}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "They got a lawyer. Peter Gerston was the"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "man who sued the CIA and pried 900 pages"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "of UFO files out of it. Then they filled"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "out the form and asked what the"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "government owed them. Betty wrote $10"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "million. Vicki wrote $5 million and"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "Colby $5 million. $20 million. In March"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "1983, Betty had cancer and the doctors"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "took her right breast. In May, the Air"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "Force said no, wasn't their fault. They"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "claimed no responsibility. That same"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "month, Betty had a heart attack. In"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "June, they took her left breast. Betty"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "further maintains that she had no cancer"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "history previous to the alleged"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "encounter. Her records do confirm,"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "however, that she does now have the"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "disease."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": ">> In September, the Air Force said no"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "again in a letter from the Pentagon."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "They said, quote, \"There was no evidence"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "of involvement by any military"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "personnel, equipment, or aircraft. That"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "same letter called it an overflight of"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "an unidentified flying object.\" So, they"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "sued. The suit was filed in January 1984"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "and the complaint listed everything that"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "happened to them. For the boy, it listed"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "extreme anxiety and fear at the sight of"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "helicopters and it said the government"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "owned and operated military CH47 double"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "rotary type helicopters and an"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "experimental aerial device of a"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "hazardous nature."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "Again, the government said no. There"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "were no helicopters and no experimental"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "aircraft. But that wasn't true because 3"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "days later, the world would learn about"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "Project Snowberg."}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "3 days after the suit was filed, Bill"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "Moore went on the radio and told the"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "country what was over Farm Road 1485. It"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "was ours. Moore was a UFO researcher and"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "he got his information from a contact"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "inside Air Force counter intelligence,"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "Richard Dodie. If you watch this"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "channel, you know that name. Dodie was a"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "special agent with the Air Force Office"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "of Special Investigations. Dodie sat"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "down with Moore back in December 1981, a"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "year after the Cash Landram incident. He"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "told him what the object was. It was a"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "joint air force and NASA project, a test"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "aircraft with a nuclear reactor for an"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "engine. It flew out of Ellington Field"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "in Houston toward Fort Hood. First the"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "navigation went, then the reactor. It"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "went down over the pines and hovered"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "over the road until help came. The"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "helicopters were the escort and then"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "they were the rescue. Every one of those"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "Chinooks was there for the machine."}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "Dodie said six other civilians saw it"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "that night and all six were found and"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "debriefed. Not Betty, Vicki, and Colby."}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "Dodie said they were left alone on"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "purpose to provide effective cover."}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "Three people running around Texas"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "talking about a UFO were better for the"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "program than three people who got a"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "visit from Men in Black. The project was"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "called Snowbird. The name comes from the"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "MJ12 papers, the leaked government UFO"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "files. It says snowbird is the program"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "for test flying recovered alien craft."}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "And according to Dodie, what burned"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "Betty and Vicki was a snowbird craft."}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "More about it. His logic was simple. You"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "don't send out Chinooks loaded to the"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "gills with personnel to chase a light in"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "the sky. You send them to protect a"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "project. Then the government already had"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "a nuclear airplane program. It started"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "in 1946, but the program ended in 1961"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "because one crash could spread radiation"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "over everything underneath it. This was"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "starting to sound familiar. Morris said"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "the proof was coming. Back in 1983,"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "Dodie even gave the family's lawyer a"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "tip. The craft was written up in"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "aviation week. Then the government"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "answered the suit, not with a denial,"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "with a confirmation. The government's"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "answer began like this. The United"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "States admits that it owns and operates"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "CH47 helicopters. Betty already knew"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "this. She was sick, but she wasn't"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "crazy. But now she gets to have her day"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "in court."}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "The family asked for the Ellington"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "flight records, the ones the guard"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "commander said would prove none of the"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "Shinooks flew. The government said the"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "documents were destroyed."}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": ">> Yeah, there it is. Then the government"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "filed four pieces of paper. One from"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "NASA, no such object. And it's one"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "Chinook was in a hanger. One from the"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "Air Force, no such craft. One from a"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "Navy admiral who never saw anything like"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "it. And one from the Army, which said"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "nothing about helicopters at all. The"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "Army, the people with the Chinooks,"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:25", "text": ">> NASA, Air Force, Navy, all under oath"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "saying not us. And the army says"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "nothing."}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": ">> Uh nothing about helicopters."}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Three guys say I didn't do it. And"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "the fourth guy says, \"Nice weather.\" The"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "fourth guy did it. That's every Columbbo"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "or Scooby-Doo."}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:39", "text": ">> And the government had a backup"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "argument. Admit it was a military"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "operation, but deny fault. The lawyer"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "for the government said the military"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "doesn't have to warn civilians about"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "anything because it might cause a panic."}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "And failing to warn the public isn't"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "negligence."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "In a footnote, he added, \"By the way,"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "defendant does find it revealing that"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "the object is termed a UFO by"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "plaintiffs.\""}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": ">> A footnote. The lawyer couldn't fit all"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "the smug in the body of Reea."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": ">> In September 1985, the lawyers argued it"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "in front of the judge. The government's"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "lawyer told a magazine, \"Whatever they"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "saw and whatever happened is not the"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "issue."}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:18", "text": ">> It's a lawsuit about what happened. It's"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "the only issue. It's the entire issue.\""}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "Lawyers."}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": ">> But Betty wasn't in the courtroom. She"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "was in a hospital in Alabama still"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "fighting cancer. Betty's lawyer, Peter"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "Gerston, stepped away. The new lawyer"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "asked for a time to take depositions and"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "the court stopped all discovery until it"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "ruled."}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "Then in August 1986, it ruled case"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "dismissed in one paragraph, 11 lines and"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "no reasons. Nobody testified. No judge"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "ever met Betty Cash or Vicky Landram or"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "the boy. And the clerk stamped the file"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "closed. Betty wasn't satisfied."}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": ">> I'm mad. I'm mad as hell and"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "disappointed with the government of our"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "United States."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "They took my health, my hair, and my"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "business. And they won't even tell me"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "what did it. Somebody in this government"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "knows what was over that road that"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "night. I'll fight until they lay me in"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "my grave."}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:17", "text": ">> Case closed. The government said nothing"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "happened. But in 1988, a CIA funded"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "psychic spy program aimed a remote"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "viewer at the object over Farm Road"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "1485. So the government didn't believe"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "the story enough to pay for a woman's"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "cancer treatment, but they believed it"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "enough to spend millions on psychics to"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "look into it. To this day, they're the"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "only three people who have sued the"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "government for injuries caused by UFO."}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "Betty Cash died on December 29th, 1998,"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "exactly 18 years after the event. Vicki"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "died in 2007. She never changed her"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "story. Her orbituary lists her hobbies."}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "Bingo is first. Four years later, the"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "CIA released six pages of handwritten"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "notes in pencil by an officer at the"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "National Security Agency. They're about"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "the case. C3 Texas, much medical data,"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "hair on woman fell out, lowle ionizing"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "radiation. And in 2022, the Defense"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "Intelligence Agency released a paper"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "from the Pentagon's secret UFO program."}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "It cited the case about seven times."}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "Whether the craft was a military project"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "or a UFO isn't the point. The primary"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "job of the government is to protect its"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "citizens. And in this case, our"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "government failed."}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:33", "text": ">> I tried to go to church"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "and the pastor asked me not to come."}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "Three people stopped under something on"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "a farm road, got sick, and spent 6 years"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "trying to find out what happened."}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "Doctors can't explain it. The government"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "changes the story. The people sue and"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "lose. The Cash Land UFO case is one of"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "the most famous in history. But how much"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "of it is true? Well, the injuries are"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "true. So, the questions are what burned"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "them and where did the helicopters come"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "from? We'll start with the burn. The"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "legend is built on one word, radiation."}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "Betty was admitted as a burn patient and"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "the first diagnosis the doctor wrote was"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "cellulitis, a skin infection. Her hair"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "came out about 4 weeks later in patches"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "and a biopsy called it alpia ariata. Her"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "blood counts were normal. Now the math."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "The radiologist who wrote ionizing also"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "wrote that the damage was confined to"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "the skin and that heat, ultraviolet or"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "microwave could have done it. The"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "nuclear specialists two or 300 rims."}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "That's a dose where people start dying."}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "Betty got sick in 30 minutes and the"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "vomiting lasted for months. Radiation"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "that does that kills you in days. Betty"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "lived 18 years, so it wasn't radiation."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "There's another answer nobody chased. An"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "Air Force radiation doctor on the case"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "wrote that the burns were compatible"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "with an exposure to a chemical substance"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "rather than radiation. The colonel"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "checked whether any helicopters sprayed"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "anything that night, and the army's"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "computers showed nothing, obviously. But"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "nobody ever ran a toxicology test, so we"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "Something burned three people on that"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "road and a car and a bunch of pine"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "trees. It peeled their skin and took"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "their hair and nobody could explain why."}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "The government argued that there would"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "be residue on the road, but there"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "wasn't. Now, sure, there wouldn't be"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "residue if they paved over the road, and"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "we'll get to that in a sec. But for now,"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "what burned them stays open. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "helicopters."}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "23 was already the number on Vickiy's"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "call to the hotline before any"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "investigator even talked to them. A"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "veteran Chinook pilot from the army"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "commented on the case and he said 12"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "Chinooks in one place is a big operation"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "and 23 would have been their entire"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "inventory. The policeman and his wife"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "are in the Army's own file. 12 Chinooks"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "in threes with the search lights on, but"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "the colonel's report puts them at 12:40"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "in the morning, 3 and 1/2 hours after"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "Betty and Bicki were there. The mother"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "and daughter who watched helicopters"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "chasing a glow put them at 9:00. that's"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "the right time. But they never gave"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "their names and nobody else backs them"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "up. So we only have what Betty and Vicki"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "said. And the colonel checked every unit"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "in range plus the Marines and the oil"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "companies. He couldn't find one Shnook"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "that flew that night or any helicopter"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "in trouble anywhere in the whole state."}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "The raid practice in the Gulf is a story"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "a pilot told and it's only in John"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "Shusler's log of the colonel's calls."}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "The colonel's own finding was that those"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "units were at Fort Bragg, Fort Deans,"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "Panama, and Europe, and none were"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "involved. Nobody ever looked for the"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "object itself. And the rest goes fast."}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "As the story grew, some new details came"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "in. The diamond, Colby saw it, and he"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "never did. But 8 months later, she drew"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "it and signed it anyway. The car is also"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "a problem. The crumbling steering wheel"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "isn't in John's report. He found the"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "paint and the plastic in good condition."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "The blue lights came out of a hypnosis"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "session and they match a drawing Kobe"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "made of the object with a lightbrite and"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "the words United States Air Force were"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "read off the side of a helicopter at"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "night by a woman about to file a claim"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "with the Air Force. A lightbrite isn't"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "great evidence."}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:07", "text": ">> Yeah, Lightbrite is still more detailed"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "than the videos they released."}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": ">> True, but still the Air Force doesn't"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "use Chinooks. The army does. Most of the"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "story traces back to one person, John"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "Shusler. His own report from his first"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "walk of that road says he found no"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "marks. The melted road shows up in his"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "telling after the county repaved the"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "strip in 1982. The unmarked trucks part"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "of the story show up in 1991 on unsolved"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "mysteries. The 100 helicopters in the"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "colonel's notes came from John Shusler."}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "Also, it was a Fort Hood spokesman"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "describing training where 100"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "helicopters come home at once for"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "effect. The destroyed flight records are"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "his interpretation of the court file."}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "The nuclear aircraft out of Ellington"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "came from Richard Dodie told to Bill"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "Moore and so did the six other witnesses"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "who got debriefed. Nobody ever found the"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "Aviation Week article, but if you know"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "Dodie, you're not surprised. In 1989,"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "Moore stood up at a UFO conference and"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "admitted he was working for the Air"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "Force. Dodie fed him disinformation, and"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "Moore spread the disinformation around"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "the UFO community. because I was in a"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "position to observe much of this process"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "as it unfolded and I was providing"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "regular regular reports on its"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "effectiveness to some of the very people"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "who were doing it. The MJ12 document"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "that named Snowbird is a fake. I have an"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "episode that debunks it, but Dodie put"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "it in a book anyway. The tabloid story"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "doesn't name a source. The pilots, the"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "police, all come from Shusler. The"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "pencil notes, the psychic session, and"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "the Pentagon papers, those are real. But"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "their source was Shusler. The Pentagon's"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "2024 history of UFO programs doesn't"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "mention the case at all."}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": ">> The government investigated the"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "government using a file from a guy who"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "was investigating the government"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:52", "text": ">> pretty much."}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": ">> Yeah, it's kind of how Wikipedia works."}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:55", "text": ">> The government never said those women"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "weren't burned. It only said whatever"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "burned them wasn't ours. The skeptics"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "never said nothing happened. They only"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "said it wasn't radiation. Not radiation,"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "not ours, not aliens. Human, you're one"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "knot away from lizard people. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "just going to wait here."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": ">> These are clarifications, not a debunk."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "Something real hurt three people that"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "night. Betty never cared about UFOs. She"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "didn't want to convince anyone of"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "anything. All she wanted was justice for"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "herself, Vicki, and Colby. She didn't"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "get it. Col's still waiting. He's 52"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "now. He doesn't want money. He wants"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "answers. And he wants an apology."}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "whatever it was was being controlled by"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "our people and there's a record of it"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "somewhere. I just want someone to say,"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "\"Look, man. This is what happened."}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "You're not crazy.\""}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:47", "text": ">> Somebody did say it once in 1982. The"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "Army's own colonel wrote that Betty and"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "Vicki were credible and that nobody was"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "trying to exaggerate the truth. And then"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "he wrote, \"The DIG investigator failed"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "and the army blacked out the rest.\""}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "three and a half lines, maybe four."}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "Nobody's ever appealed the redaction."}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "Nobody's ever asked the colonel on the"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "record. So, what did an Army"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "investigator feel about two women he"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "believed that the Army decided you"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "weren't allowed to read? I don't know."}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "Neither does anybody else. Those four"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "lines are the only thing in this case"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "the government ever hid on purpose, and"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "it's still hiding them."}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "My name is AJ. That's Eskish."}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:33", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm going to go file a standard"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "form 95 for emotional damages. 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It"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "was a long one. I appreciate you hanging"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "in there. Until next time, be safe. Be"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "kind. know that you are appreciated."}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "Oh"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "yeah,"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "I played in Area 51. A secret code"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "inside the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "well as music. So singing the like I"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "should"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "then another conspiracy theory becomes"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "the truth my friends"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "No it never ends."}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "I be the crap guy. 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But I can't"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "agree."}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "Dancing with the fish and the fish on"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "Thursday night, Wednesday, day two and"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "All I ever wanted was to see the truth"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "of the world"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "through the night."}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "The math man sidings and the solar storm"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "still come to a gather the secret city"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "underground."}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "Mysterious number stations, Planet"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "Circle, Project Stargate, and what the"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "Dark Watchers found."}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "We're in a simulation. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Today I'm talking with Dr. Brian Lathe,"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "a social psychologist who spent years"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "hauling truckloads of equipment into"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "haunted houses. Then did the thing"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "almost nobody does in his field. He"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "published the numbers. Three studies."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "And in all three, the electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "field shifted right before something"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "happened. Shadow figures out of a"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "basement with no other exit. Beach balls"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "off a bed 11 times in an hour. And"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "nobody knows why."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> Beach balls off a bed. That's not a"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "haunting human. That's a bachelorette"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "party losing their damage deposit. I"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> I don't get it. Anyway, how do you know"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "what goes on at a bachelorette party?"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> I used to be an exotic dancer. Uh my"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "stage name was Magic Pike."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> You're so jelly on my wrist."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Today, we're covering what ghost hunting"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "shows get wrong about those blinking"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "meters, why Brian isn't convinced"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "hauntings are dead people, and a"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "personality scale that predicts who has"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "these experiences."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Oh, not dead people, huh? Uh, well, I"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "guess grandma's off the hook."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Off the hook for what?"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Well, every noise in the attic we blamed"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "on her for like 20 years. Turns out it's"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "probably just a raccoon or or a"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "squatter. Who knows? And there is an"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "abandoned rectory in Cincinnati where he"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "told the owners to shut down. That story"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "ended his fieldwork. And after hearing"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "it, I wouldn't go back either. After our"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "conversation, I'll come back and break"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "everything down. Let's go down to the"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "basement."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "Okay. I I read your dissertation. Loved"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> you hired actors to insult fraternities"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "to attack their beliefs."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> When what was going on there? Um when I"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "was in graduate school before I"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "officially got into parasychology um I"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "was really interested in the idea of"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "social identity theory uh which is in in"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "essence a theory that says when you"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "label groups and make them different you"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "will instantly get uh bias you will"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "instantly get prejudice. Uh and it and"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "it's silly because it's not talked about"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "a lot but it is a hugely robust area of"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "social psychology research. It's not two"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "or three papers, it's a couple of"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "hundred,"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> I bet."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Um, and so the whole point of the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "dissertation was if I bring um an"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "actress or an actor into these groups"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "and I basically tell the group that"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "they're a piece of crap, right? Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": ">> well, put us in the room. What's who's"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "the group and what what are the attacks?"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Well, I man, this is 20ome years ago."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "Um, so I did religious groups, I did"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "fraternities and sororities, and I did a"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "couple of political groups."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> Um, and I actually had to extend my"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "dissertation time because I actually"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "ended up going to, I think,"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> I want to say at least three, if not"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "four colleges or universities to get"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "enough groups to do it."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> Yeah, it was a chunky paper."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I'm surprised"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "you pulled up a dissertation. Um, so,"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "um, we would"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> Well, hang on. Your dissertation is your"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "is the whole theme of your career, that"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "dissertation."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> You think so?"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> I I I do indeed. It's it's all about"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "it's all about beliefs and and how if"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "someone has a belief that's strong"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "enough, no matter how much you insult or"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "attack it, they will not waver."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. No, I mean, you're absolutely"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "right. That was incredibly insightful. I"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "should have caught that. Um [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "um well, yes, because my the reason I"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "even got into graduate school was I"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "started in psychology of religion,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "right? Um, so the idea was let's look at"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "group differences. Let's look at what"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "happens when you bring a actress in who"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "says I am mad at your group. You did"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "this to me. You did that to me. Which"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "was essentially what they would do. They"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "would claim to be from another student"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "organization."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Tell us what specifically give the"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "attack."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> I am trying to remember. It's like"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> they make it up. They make it up."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> Oh, make it up. Okay. Um, you look funny"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "and smell. No. Uh there [laughter] there"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "was um if I remember God I remember"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> conservative kids, li liberal kids."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Yep. Um several sororities, several"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "fraternities. Uh the claim was they came"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "from a rival student organization."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> And that they had complaints about"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "people's behavior in the group. And I"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "did keep the I did actually keep the"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "manipulation rather generic because I"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "didn't want them to be able to track or"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "trace. Sure. Right. Um by the way,"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "ethics review for that one was not fun"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "getting that approved. [laughter] Um,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "oh lord. Um, so they would just"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "basically come in and make very generic"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "complaints about other people's behavior"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "in the group and how they should know"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "better and you shouldn't treat people"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "this way, etc., etc. And I set up like a"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "three-stage assessment, right? So, how"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "much did you like the group before we"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "did this? Um then I'd have the person"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "come in and give the complaint and I'd"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "be like now that you've heard this"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "complaint because my whole claim for"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "making this believable was I'm a"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "representative of the student council"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "and you know various bureaucracies of"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "the college this is a new technique"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "we're trying out because you know we"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "want to give people voices and let"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "people respond to complaints right so I"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "tried to make it sound bure you know"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "bureaucratic and believable"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> it does"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> yeah I I I tried I I think some of them"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "saw through it but you did the best you"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "could because it was a pretty overt"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "manipulation um so then I'd give those"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "same ratings again after the complaint."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "And here's what's interesting. So, I'd"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "have the actress come out. Then I would"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "do a complete debunking, right? Guys,"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "I'm full of crap. I would literally like"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "and I'd literally say that like, \"Guys,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "I'm full of crap. None of this is true."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "This is Talia. She's an actress.\" That"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "was one of her name was Talia. Lovely"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "person. Um, you know, come in and say"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "hi. And she'd wave and kind of bow and"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "walk out. And I say, \"Now, but before"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "you go, I want you to fill out this"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "sheet one more time because one of the"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "variables I was interested in was what's"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "called belief perseverance.\" Um, and it"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "kind of ties into confirmation bias,"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "which is more popular nowadays. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "there were earlier studies that"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "basically showed that once a person buys"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "into an idea, right? Um, and of course"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "we see this in marketing and everything"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "else, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> We see this everywhere."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Yeah. And and also of course, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "where campaign money goes to effect who,"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "right? uh Democrats never try to"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "influence Republicans and vice versa."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "You go for the middle."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Um but belief perseverance research"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "basically says once you establish that"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "somebody is good or bad at a thing and"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "it's given not even really have to be"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "given by an authority figure, they tend"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "to persist in that belief. Um the early"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "studies uh were were interesting because"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "they divide groups into um people who"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "are going to evaluate suicide notes."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": ">> Whether they were um and I'm I'm I'm a"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "bad academic. I can't remember the"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "actual names of the authors of that"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "study. Uh, but they would come in with"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "group A and go, \"You know what? You were"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "really good at distinguishing these"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "suicide notes. And then they'd come into"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "group B and they'd go, \"Oh man, you suck"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "at this. You're only getting like 10% of"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "these right.\" And then at the end of it,"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "they do the same thing I did in my"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "dissertation, which was, \"Guys, we're"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "liars. None of this is true. We're"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "academics. We're the experts that told"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "you this, and by the way, we just lied."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Does everybody understand that?\" Right?"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "And they're like, \"Uh-huh. before you"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "go, how good do you think you are at"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "evaluating suicide notes? They"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "completely persisted in their belief."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> They did."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Yes. So, the people that were told they"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "were good at it, even though the whole"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "thing was a sham and proven to be a"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "sham, they're like, I'm really good at"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "evaluating suicide notes. And the other"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "group was like, I'm bad at it. It just"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "it persisted. True to form, back to the"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "dissertation. I do ramble. I used to be"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "a professor. Sorry. Um the when I'd look"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "at um the"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> student ratings, by the way, do mention"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> The student ratings."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Have you read your ratings from"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "students? No, I don't look. No, you"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "don't look Do you look at your comments?"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Absolutely not. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> Absolutely not. Um, your reviews are"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "very good. Oh, they say you're snarky."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": ">> You You will insult someone, but you can"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "take it. You ramble, but it's always"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "brilliant."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": ">> Well, that's that is awesome to hear,"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "and I'm still not going to look at my"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "comments. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "Um it's been about seven eight years now"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "since I've been a regular professor but"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "uh no the point of the dissertation and"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "I am rambling again um there was about a"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "15 to 18% shift if I remember in"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "negativity so what was your value of the"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "group you know beforehand to after my"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "actress insulted you and you'd see about"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "a 15 to 18% drop um and then of course"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "after we said hey this is all BS um"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "their ratings didn't change a bit that"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "15 to 18% drop persisted did even after"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "we gave them every excuse in the world"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "not to believe it anymore. And it was"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "across ideology. Um, and that was one of"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "my major claims. And it's not a unique"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "claim, but it was I was kind of driving"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "home the point which was, you know, this"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "stuff happens regardless of whether"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "we're dealing with religion, whether"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "we're dealing with politics, whether"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "we're dealing with affiliation with a"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "sorority or a fraternity. This appears"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "to be a generic phenomena. like this"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "this belief pverance tendency and group"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "ideology is just something it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "matter what your belief system is. You"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "can be pro- Red Cross, you can be pro-"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "feminist, you can be pro MAGA. Doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "matter."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> The group effect is the group effect."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": ">> Well, you had an interesting hypothesis"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "that I think turned out to be wrong,"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "which was if you are attacked from"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "within your group, it will sting more."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "And that turned out not to be the case."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> So, what was that like with a committee"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "watching?"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": ">> It's midnight. 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Please support the show and tell"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "them you heard from us."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Um, well, okay. Now, there's there's"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "some exceptions to that because there is"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "the scapegoat effect"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> because what people don't think about is"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "I belong to group X. Well, actually the"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "easiest way to think about this is"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "Protestant religions, right? 400 years,"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "4,000 denominations. Why did that"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "happen? You start with one church."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Somebody decides that God's toe is blue."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "A subset decides that God's toe is"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "green. Let's fight about it. And what"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "happens? You get a schism and you get a"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "new denomination."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": ">> Yep. So, and this is one of the really"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "big points about the power of belief"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "systems, which you know ties into"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "conspiracy theory and all the stuff that"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "you guys uh carry on about, uh, which I"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "love. Um, is whenever you get a"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "disagreement within a subgroup, you have"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "this risk of creating a new nested"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "in-group outgroup. And depending on how"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "severe it is, you may end up getting"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "that schism and a split. And of course,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "organizational psychologists and really"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "anybody in business or anybody with an"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "organization knows this as well. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "the data is pretty clear on that. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "yeah, you know, that unity and that need"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "for unity um drives I think a lot more"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "than people realize in terms of what"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "people advocate and don't."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> We were talking before we went to air"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "about um academic gatekeeping. It sounds"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "like this applies there as well."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> Oh god. Um yes. Um, and and you know, it"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "it's it's like it's almost it is"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "religious. You know, how dare you speak"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "of the heresy of non-objectivity, but"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "it's never been objective. And and I"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "think and to be fair to academia,"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "um, is there really any business, any"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "group anywhere in the world that is"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "truly objective?"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "And everyone from experience, whether"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "you're working at a Walmart or whether"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "you're working for a large corporation,"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "like I don't like that mythology that we"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "promote that somehow there are these"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "groups, these organizations that are"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "pure and clean of human nature and"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "behavior."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": ">> Ha."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. Um so but no, academia is"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "political. Um and even though that's"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "heresy to say, we shouldn't be surprised"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "by that. Everything is political. Um so"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "yeah you know um I will say you can"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "publish uh parasychology related topics"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "more easily today particularly in the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "last 10 to 12 years. Um more mainstream"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "journals will accept um you know"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "anomalies right anomaly psychology"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "anomalistic psychology or parasychology."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "Um and now you do have to jump through a"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "few more hoops. Um and if you've got a"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "decent editor they may just deskreject"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "it. You won't even get to peer review."}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "They're like no. And in some ways you're"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "like thank you"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:23", "text": ">> right because uh but it can be done. Um,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "you know, I think maybe 20 years ago, if"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "you had an anomalous topic, you were"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "going to have to go to the"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "parasycchology journals or the"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "anomalistic journals. Um, you know, JSE,"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "uh, PA, all of those, right? Um,"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "nowadays, there is a select set of maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "10 to 15 different journals that if you"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "don't get too ridiculous in your claims,"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "um, they will take your manuscript and"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "the peer review will not be atrocious."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "Uh, there are sometimes exceptions."}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": ">> Dr. Eric Wargo sat right there and he's"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "a pretty accomplished social scientist"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "and he said psychologists were the most"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "aggressive most heinous on the subject."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": ">> Yes. Um"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": ">> like almost like we're attacking their"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "belief system."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "Yes. [laughter] There is um it has been"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "my this is just my personal experience"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "so I'm not trying to judge the entire"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "field. Um I find that there is more"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "ideological capture in the social"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "sciences"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "than there is um like in STEM fields. I"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "think I think I've even seen some some"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "surveys that suggest that the physicist"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "and and the you know biologist is like"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "yeah ghost maybe. Um but you get over"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "into psychology, sociology, uh even"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "anthropology um and they're like no"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> this is left brain left brain right"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "brain drift. That's that's what's"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "happening."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": ">> these I mean social sciences are"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "emotional."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> They are. Um but I would still expect"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "them to do the things that scientists"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "are supposed to do which is I don't care"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "what your topic is. What's your research"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "design look like? And what does the data"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "say?"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:58", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Um but that I think has probably been a"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "myth in all science."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": ">> Um but again it's not a condemning thing"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "for me to say this."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "Where are you not going to find"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "ideological bias? In a social human"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "system where everyone has attached"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "belief systems that they prefer to use"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "and then of course monetary and reward"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "and everything else structures that are"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "piled on top."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> Sure. Funding."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Um and to pretend that that"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "doesn't matter like the ethical person"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "will you know kill their family and and"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "go without a job so that their kids"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "starve. No, they're not going to."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": ">> So it's uh it it is a political game. Uh"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "not one that I enjoy. Um, and I try to"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "stay away from it as much as possible."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> Yeah. It's like, what's the NSF into"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "this year?"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "tell me about the VHS tape that you wish"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "you still had. [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": ">> Oh. Oh, the the fire experiment. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:53", "text": ">> man. You dig? Um, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "this was Okay, so uh, story time. This"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "was when I first decided, I think it was"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "2009,"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": ">> and I'm like, \"Okay, I'm going to grab"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "me some community college students and"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "we're going to ghost hunting. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "to do it. I'm gonna go all in. Um, you"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "know, so I got the equipment, you know,"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "because I' I'd loved parasychology for"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "years. I was I was in the closet, you"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "know, on the down low reading it, you"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "know, reading a bunch of books. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "of course had a strong religion"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "background and had already started"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "studying various religions and various"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "uh magical and esoteric practices as"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:25", "text": ">> So, we went to this house that uh the"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "story was and I think it was our first"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "official investigation. Had a nice"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "camera set up, had some EMF meters like"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "yay. Um"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "and uh the lady had a uh a disabled"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "child and she told us that there were"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "toys turning on and off, right? Uh"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "nothing, you know, that's that's"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "happens, right? Um and that her kid was"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "uh seeing scratches."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:48", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": ">> They they couldn't account for some of"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "the wounds and scratches that were on"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "the kid's body. Um and so they asked us"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "to come and do an investigation and of"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "course we did and we set up cameras. Um,"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "at the time, uh, my my dear friend K."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "Owen, who kind of trained me on the ways"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "of ghost hunting back in the day, um,"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "was with us and she had old school VHS"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "tape recorders, right?"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:15", "text": ">> So, uh, honestly, not a super eventful"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "night. I I think, um, in in particular,"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "nothing, you know, just insanely crazy"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "happened. Uh, but of course, we assigned"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "the footage and started to do the"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "review. Um, one side note, did see a"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "kind of a shadow person like figure in"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "one of the films, but this is, and I've"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "never seen this since. Um, and on our"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "scale, this is one of the rarest things"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "to see on the SSE. This is like, you"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "know, you do not get a high endorsement"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "of this. I get a call from her. She's"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "like, you got to see this. I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "okay, K, what's going on? She's like,"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "you just got to see this. So, she pops"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "in this VHS tape and and I want to be"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "clear, this was a uh a double wide, like"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "a double wide trailer, right? So, we"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "were in the kitchen. Dining room was I"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "use my hands. I hope that's okay. Um,"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "dining room was right here. Kitchen was"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "right here. We had the setup right here."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "We're talking 6 7 ft away. We had eyes"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "on that dining room the entire time."}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": ">> There was never a point in time that"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "anyone wasn't just because that's where"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "the base camp was, right? So, we're"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "watching this video and I did not see"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "this. We, like I said, we watched this"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "the entire time. And on this video, I"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "kid you not, there was a four I'd say"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "probably a four to six foot gout of blue"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "flame. Blue"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": ">> blue flame. Yes. No lie. Blue flame."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "I'll swear to it to my dying day. Stra."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "And this had carpet in the dining room."}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "Shot straight up out of the middle of"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "the dining room carpet. I'd say for"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "about two and a half seconds. Just tall."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "I mean, a gout like somebody had stuck a"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "a fireworks nozzle, right, or a gas"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "nozzle um and shot straight up and never"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "seen it since. And what was interesting"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "was it was only on film, you know."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:54", "text": ">> What was the room like?"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": ">> The the room was again it was one of"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "those small um you know kind of dining"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "room areas that you see in like a double"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "wide trailer."}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": ">> But was there residue? Was there a"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "smell? Nothing."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> Not nothing that I Nothing that I can"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "remember cuz we saw it post. It was only"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "on the VHS tape. Blue Flame is a"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "chemical fire."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": ">> Wow. So, yeah, I wish you had that tape."}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": ">> I wish I had that tape. Um and and I"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "it's probably gone by now. And so, you"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "know, it's it's an anecdotal story at"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "this point. Um but no, to this day, I'm"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "like, how the hell did that happen? Um"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "you know, and I would definitely put"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "that as, you know, that was anomalous"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "because again, we walked back and we had"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "wires set up and we walked past that"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "room and into that room probably 50"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "times that night. we would have seen a"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "scorch mark and it would have left a"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "scorch mark because there was"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": ">> four or six feet high of course"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": ">> there was there was no tube or like in"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "other words it wasn't like a it it"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "appeared above the grave it was like"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "straight up out of the carpet so I would"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "imagine we you know certainly and"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "certainly the owner would have been like"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "hey who's been smoking cigarettes in my"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "house right um no nothing and again now"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "K at the time was like this is a bad"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "sign she said I've only seen this three"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "times she had like a 20-year history at"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "that point she's like normally people's"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "houses burn down"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": ">> when this comes when I'm like, \"Oh, uh,"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "luckily that didn't happen.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:08", "text": ">> within a month and a half or so, she"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "said, \"Right.\""}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:10", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> The house the house stayed standing."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": ">> Yep. Nope. No problems."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:15", "text": ">> What did you ever figure out what was"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "going on in in that house?"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:18", "text": ">> Um, well, you know that that's kind of a"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "loaded question because even from the"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "get-go, we never tried to do overt"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "explanations. And I have I have to"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "admit, looking back on it, I I wish I'd"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "have done more um care support because,"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "you know, at the time I was young and"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "eager and I wanted to capture objective"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "phenomena. And I was trying to devise a"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "method for kind of reliably separating"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "uh this stuff kind of objectively,"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "right? You know, into into core"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "classifications."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": ">> Um to my knowledge, uh you know, I don't"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "know if it ever resolved. I do know she"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "had two friends and they were like"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "drinking margaritas on the front porch."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "Um and I also remember Kesha's Tik Tok"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "had just come out, which is an odd"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "memory to okay, to kind of put together"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "there. Um"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:59", "text": ">> but no, we never had a clear"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "explanation. Uh we did go through the"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "toys. they did turn on for us kind of by"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "themselves and behave oddly. So, you"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "know, a little bit of anomalousness"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "there. Um, but in terms of finding any"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "source for where the scratches or cuts"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "could come from or, you know, deep"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "voices, you know, from Beelubub telling"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "them that the child was possessed, nope."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "Nothing like that."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": ">> When you're doing the research like"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "that, especially when you're blown away"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "by I guess it would be pyrochinesis."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": ">> Do you forget that there's people there?"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "There's there's people in distress"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": ">> Yeah. And and you know, one of the"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "things we ended up doing fairly early on"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "in those days was we moved away from"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "residentials, residential hauntings,"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "because they are and of course now with"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "more years and experience, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "need a lot more support for those"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "individuals. You know, what happens on"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "the television shows, I'm not saying"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "it's wrong, but it it is promoting a"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "particular point of view. Um and and"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "nowadays I would say absolutely you need"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "to ask what their expectations are and"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "you need to investigate what their state"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "of mind is, you know, psychological"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "history. Um and and then really just ask"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "what do you want us to do here?"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:05", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": ">> Do you want us to to try and debunk"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "this? Do you want us to just document"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "the evidence? Um if you're looking for a"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "cleansing, we don't do that. Um you"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "know, and hindsight, you know, it could"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "have been done better back in the day."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:19", "text": ">> I bet most people just want validation."}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "I just want someone else to see this."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": ">> They do, but that becomes problematic"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "with residentials residential"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "investigations because if you don't get"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "the evidence or you go actually this is"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "really explainable. Uh they don't tend"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "to like that."}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": ">> No, cuz we're back to your study again."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Um and in those days, I really"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "really tried to say, you know, we're"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "being scientists here. We're going to"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "come in, we're going to, you know, try"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "and get the best data we can and we're"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "going to try and rule out whatever we"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "can. Um, and beyond that, we'll let you"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "know if we found something, but you"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "know, we don't we'd say upfront, you"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "know, we don't do exorcisms, we don't do"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "cleansings, we don't do x, y, and z. Um,"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "yeah, the the belief component uh"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "obviously uh from ghosted in and other"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "papers is such a powerful component."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "There's almost quasi therapy going on."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": ">> Um, and that raises some ethical issues,"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "too."}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "Well, before the vocabulary and"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "translality and all of that, before you"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "knew what any of this was called, what"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "happened to you like as a 5-year-old?"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "I have had a long series of uh, you"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "know, and to make the skeptics happy, if"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "you want to say hypnogogic episode or"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "altered state of consciousness or, you"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "know, whatever, fine. I I don't even"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "really care. Um, but I've had a series"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "of uh kind of paranormal experiences"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "from a young age. Um, including some"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "some pretty negative encounter"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "encounters in my early uh early years,"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "like say 12 or 13 that actually led me"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "to become religious. Uh, because it"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "scared me so bad. Um, I was like, okay,"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "I I need to have a talk with God."}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:57", "text": ">> Um, and I won't lie, I think that's"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "probably shaped a lot of the course of"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "my life. Uh now if"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "you know it's it's tricky I I don't know"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "if I'm really different or not but"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "I I try to make a distinction between"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "explaining the thing doesn't tell you"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "why it occurred in the first place."}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": ">> Of course um but I don't think that"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "distinction is commonly made um in"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "science and I don't think it's commonly"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "made in um in a lot of discussions of"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "the paranormal."}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "Let me kind of tangent and give you an"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "example. Let's say I had a a Star Trek"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "triquarter, right? Cool."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": ">> And so I got to time travel and I'm"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "going to go back and I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "witness the resurrection of of Jesus,"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "right? And so I put my triquarter out"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "and and hopefully this isn't offending"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "anybody with blasphemy. And I now"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "suddenly I have all the information,"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "right? I'm like, \"Oh, look, the cellular"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "structures did this and blah blah blah"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "blah blah blah blah blah. I can explain"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "this now.\" Well, okay, great."}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "But the guy still came back from the"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "dead."}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:00", "text": ">> We tend to think the money in our bank"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "account is always going to be there when"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "we need it. But your bank can close an"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "account. And depending on the agreement,"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "they may not even need to give you much"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "of a reason. 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The why is not the how."}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:14", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": ">> Uh so, you know, I I had"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:17", "text": ">> That's exactly right. It's that's a"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "great way of putting it. You could show"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "the data and people would say, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "but he did it.\""}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": ">> That's that's neat. But he did it."}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Because really we're digging into"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "what are the fundamental mechanisms of"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "the universe,"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:27", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:28", "text": ">> In the sense of and you know, here's a"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "bit of a bender and I promise I'll come"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "back to paranormal experiences. We talk"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "about chance all the time, right? Um and"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "there there may be some philosophers of"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "science that are going to get mad at me"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "about this. How do you know it's chance?"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "I'm talking about the normal"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "distribution. There is a distribution of"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "odds for dice, right?"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": ">> And we say it's it's going to perform in"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "this certain way. And we know there's a"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "certain odds of getting, you know, two"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "two six-sided dices. Um there's a"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "certain odds of getting two. There's a"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "certain odds of getting 12. And those"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "are universal. But with a particular"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "role,"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "I got a seven. Well, that's chance. How"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "do you know it's chance? What's the"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "actual mechanism? What's the actual"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "thing that gave you a seven? And and the"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "honest answer is we don't know. You can"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "call it God, you can call it chance, you"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "can call it, you know, probability"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "gremlins. There's no answer for that"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "mechanism."}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "So I separate this idea of,"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "you know, obviously laws and probability"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "and math works. Um, another way to to"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "think about it, we know there's a"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "relationship, a really welldone"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "relationship between depression and"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "anxiety. And you might see in a research"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "paper, you know, uh, depression is"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "significantly related to anxiety. Well,"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "what happens if I change that language"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "to sadness demons bring bring anxious"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "demons? I just change the words."}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": ">> I can't I can't say prove you're wrong."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, the math doesn't change."}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "The statistical outcomes don't change."}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "The methods don't change."}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": ">> As someone who has depression and"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "anxiety, it does feel like demons."}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "that well that's a whole another tangent"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "but [laughter] there's but and again I'm"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "not doing this you know to engage in"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "sophistry. I'm not but one of the things"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "that I' I've really had to struggle with"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "over the decades is making sense of God"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "the universe. It's it's something that"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "I've just kind of been obsessed with for"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "a long time. I'm not claiming to have"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "those answers but it is something that I"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "think about all the time."}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:25", "text": ">> If you claim to have the answers I"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "wouldn't believe you. Well, and you"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "shouldn't. Uh, you know, I don't require"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "anyone to agree with what I and and"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "that's that's the point. You don't have"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "to agree with me, and you might not want"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "to. Um, but I do recognize when humans"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "pretend to know something versus when"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "we're like, we have these rules. We know"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "these rules work well. Um, but the map"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "is not the territory. And and that's not"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "even an opinion. That's that's"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "objectively demonstrable."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:58", "text": ">> Um, so full circle. Um, you know, I I"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "had an experience when I was 12 or 13. I"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "had some hypnogogic episodes when I was"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "younger."}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": ">> Hypnogogic meaning before sleep."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": ">> Uh, yeah. Yeah. Or or waking up or I"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "actually had a spiritual experience."}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:10", "text": ">> Who knows, right? Uh, too young. And"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "it's not like there was psychologists to"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "do a checklist at the time."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:14", "text": ">> I had one, too. And we're going to talk"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "about it a little bit later in this"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "show, but go ahead."}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": ">> Um, well, I I remember before that"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "happened being 9 or 10 and waking up and"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "and I swear to you, there was a"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "Tyrannosaurus Rex downstairs."}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:25", "text": ">> Downstairs. Yes. So, not so you got out"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "of bed?"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:27", "text": ">> No, I didn't. I sat up and I heard"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "I heard a T-Rex. Whole roar. Big"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "footsteps. Roar. Roar."}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": ">> How do you know it wasn't like an"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "Allosaur or a Triceratops? Cuz I'm"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "psychic."}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:40", "text": ">> Okay. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:42", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": ">> Never mind the hallway was only 3 foot"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "wide. It was a T-Rex. Damn it. Um and"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "and honestly, it was freaking me out."}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "And I remember screaming. I remember"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "screaming for my mom at the time. Um,"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "now I did start to catch on after about"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "the 20th footstep. I'm like, \"Wait a"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "minute, there's like 12 steps here.\""}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "Right. And then of course the next thing"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "I know, and that's why I think it was a"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "hypnogogic experience. Um, is my mom was"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "in the doorway. I didn't see her coming"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "to the doorway just right. Right."}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:09", "text": ">> Um, and and for the listener, if you're"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "not familiar with these either"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "hypnogogic or hypnopic uh episodes, it's"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "stage one sleep, right? So you're you're"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "kind of in the sleep stage, but you're"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "kind of awake. It allows for full"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "auditory, visual, and kinesthetic"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "hallucinations. Um,"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:25", "text": ">> this audience knows this is the land of"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "the shadow people."}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Yes. Um, but by the way, when they"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "say we know this occurs, they've"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "classified it this way. Um, but in terms"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "of deep research that's gone into this,"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "you know, I think about Huffford's"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "classic book, uh, about Nighthag, right?"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "Um, and the curious note that in some"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "cases there'd be very weird objective"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "paranormal phenomena in association with"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "night hag that was independent, like,"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "oh, the dresser drawer moved by itself."}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "Um, again, I'm I'm not a fan of, oh,"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "look, we took something mystical and"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "turned it into a science term. Now it's"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "all better. I'm like, There's"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:03", "text": ">> that's what they do."}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": ">> Yeah. But that's a problem."}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:07", "text": ">> Um because because here's my thing. I"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "don't think that science can't do it. I"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "think they can. I I tend to look at that"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "as if you really wanted to do it, you'd"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "get down and dirty and you would do a"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "series of papers and you would figure"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "out how to operationalize this stuff and"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "you would separate the wheat from the"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "chief. Um, but I don't think that gets"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "done. I I think we very often will take"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "a term of was it mass psychoggenic"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "illness? No, sick building syndrome. You"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "ever seen the papers on sick building"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "syndrome?"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:36", "text": ">> Uh, they're like, \"Oh, all this weird"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "stuff occurred.\" Well, it's sick"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "building syndrome. What's that mean?"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:42", "text": ">> What does that mean?"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": ">> Yeah, good question. Because because the"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "paper isn't really going to tell you"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "either. There's there's no explanation"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "for why this phenomena still occurred or"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "why it was, you know, isolated to a"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "certain area or why this entire group of"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "individuals um you know had these weird,"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "you know, physical uh problems and"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "illnesses and everything else. They're"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "like, \"Nope, we'll just call it sick"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "building syndrome and we'll move on.\""}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "Um, and I think that's where there's"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "areas where parasychology has basically"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "bled into the mainstream. It just hasn't"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "been sufficiently covered. Um, just my"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "two cents, and I'm sure a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "would disagree with me on that, but um,"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "I am rambling. Do we want to go back to"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "my experience or we want to let that go?"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:22", "text": ">> If if I need to bring it back, just"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "trust that I will. Okay."}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:24", "text": ">> Everything is fine."}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:25", "text": ">> I trust you. HJ,"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:27", "text": ">> just trust me."}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:30", "text": ">> we talked a little bit about that you"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "were pre-seminary. What's your"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "relationship with God like now? Um, I"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "have a very when I say good, I I have a"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "very very uh intense relationship um"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "with God. Uh, but most uh probably a"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "line a line I'm less heretical when it"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "comes to cath Catholicism. I I think the"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "standard Catholic would accept me a"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "little bit more than a Protestant would."}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "Um but I'm I'm I'm definitely a heretic"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "um in the sense of way"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:00", "text": ">> well I you know again I've I've dabbled"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "with a lot of spiritual systems and I"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "have a lot of um I've been heavily"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "influenced by Cabala uh particularly you"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "know Victorian Cabala after the Golden"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "Dawn got a hold of it and everything"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "else. So theosophy as well"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:15", "text": ">> um indirectly you know of course"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "Bllovzky kind of fed I mean they don't"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "say it a lot but Bllovzky definitely fed"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "into you know the Golden Dawners um not"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "a fan of Crowley for the record but"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "that's a whole another story um and I"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "don't take you know Golden Dawn material"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "at face value but I will say that uh and"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "forgive the butchery the the chium you"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "know the tree of life if you really look"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "at it as a structural metaphysical"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "system"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "uh you know 10 manifestations of God,"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "each representing different aspects"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "conveniently tied to various planetary"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "influences which are universal. And you"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "know, of course, the tarot applications"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "where you see the various paths of the"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "tree. Um, and then you apply as above so"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "below and the four systems of im. I'm"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "like, this is an insanely good"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "classification system."}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:01", "text": ">> It is. The emerald tablet is right"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "behind me."}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:06", "text": ">> Yeah. And and and I've never been able"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "to let go of that. So I I think in some"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "ways I I might be more of a Jewish"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "mystic or or or a butchered Jewish"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "mystic or a bad Jewish mystic because of"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "course I'm I'm not Jewish. Um but no I I"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "think a lot of my view of of God and"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "Christianity and religion in general is"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "u very kabolic in nature"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> and gnostic as well."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:27", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. Although I'm I don't know to"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "what extent"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "gnosticism is complicated."}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": ">> It is. Um, and and again, I tend to get"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "a little gunshy when people are like,"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "\"Yes, I've seen heaven. It's got 72"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "layers. Here's the 72 names.\" Right? You"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "know, 72 angels of the Shem Hamoresh and"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "all that. Um,"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:45", "text": ">> but but an ancient Jew would say Jesus"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "was Gnostic."}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, he would. Um, and and I"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "wouldn't go against basic Gnostic"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "principles. Uh, and and if you've ever"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "kind of dived into the history of that."}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "Um, Ela Pegles is I think is not a bad"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "source. And of course um and the na I"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "never say this right nagamandi or"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "nagamadi I can't remember um you know I"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "think the idea of nnicism early on uh"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "before um the more orthodox side of"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "Christianity decided to you know"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "structure the churches um was kind of"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "close to Protestantism."}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:23", "text": ">> Okay. Well, I mean, think of it this"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "way. I not modern Protestantism, but if"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "you think about the idea of we're not"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "going to worry about structure, we're,"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "you know, God is an individual searching"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "sort of thing, right? You must look"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "inside."}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:37", "text": ">> God is in here. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:39", "text": ">> He's not in that building."}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:40", "text": ">> Um, which if you think about it, if"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "you're trying to make an organized"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "religion, that's a little tricky."}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, we need to leave those books"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "out of"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, and to be fair, right, um"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "how do you create a unified church"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "if you're going to say, \"Hey, here's a"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "few rules. You need to find you need to"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "find God on your own.\""}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:01", "text": ">> No good."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": ">> Yeah. You're not going to, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "in fairness, you know, with young"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "Christianity and and you know,"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "unfortunately, a lot of Christians are"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "not familiar with early Christian"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "history. They're not even aware of how"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "the Bible was formed. uh which"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "frustrates me some days. Um"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": ">> why"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": ">> would you have would you have included"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "all the books? The Apo Apocryphan,"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:26", "text": ">> Enoch."}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:28", "text": ">> No, I Man, you're about to make me say"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "several controversial things, so I guess"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "I'm going to say them. Um"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:33", "text": ">> what's the worst that can happen?"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:37", "text": ">> Oh, you'd be surprised there [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "is. Actually, you probably wouldn't. Um"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "let me think about how to say this."}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:43", "text": ">> Pseudopigrifa. I love it."}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:45", "text": ">> I I love all those books, but I maybe"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "I'm a little bit of a snob in the sense"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "of if you are a person of faith and you"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "care a great deal about your faith, and"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "by the way, I I don't have any judgment"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "about whatever faith a person has. Um I"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "really am."}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:57", "text": ">> Neither do I."}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": ">> Um I I really am a if God has called"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "you, God, quote unquote, universe God,"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "right? God has called you to something,"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "I believe there's a purpose for that."}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "It's not my business to muck with your"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "relationship."}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:08", "text": ">> We're just having a conversation. This"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "channel knows I have great respect for"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "religion, all of that."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, so I I don't, you know, if if"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "a person's been called to traditional"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "traditional Catholicism, in my mind,"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": ">> that's your path. You should follow it."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "Um, but I don't have any sense of"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "exclusionism"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:25", "text": ">> with religion."}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:26", "text": ">> Um, which gets me in trouble."}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:27", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:29", "text": ">> Why would that get you in trouble?"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": ">> Well, because a lot of a lot of people's"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "fundamental religious beliefs require"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "that exclusionism, right? I mean, um,"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "you know, even modern Cathol actually"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "Catholicism has some loopholes they get"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "around. Um but um you know particularly"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "with Protestantism which is you know the"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "younger form of Christianity um this is"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "the way this is the path and this is it"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "and this is best"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:48", "text": ">> and if you don't follow this way you"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "don't go to heaven."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:50", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:52", "text": ">> I don't like that."}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": ">> I I don't either. Um but again if that's"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "where a person is that's where a person"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "is. Um I think"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": ">> everyone can get to heaven. That's your"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "way. Yeah. I've got my way."}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:04", "text": ">> Yes. Um now I would say there are"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "universal morals. You know don't be an"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:08", "text": " Right. Sure. um and and you"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "know um but I also think there's a"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "distinction between what we might call"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "um the social morals that we have and of"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "course as a social psychologist"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "understanding that religion is not the"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "same. You know the rules the rules we"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "follow now in various religions are not"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "the rules that were followed 60 years"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "ago. Very much a difference between"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "dogma versus the core books upon which a"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "religion is is established. Um,"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "all that having been said, um, I love"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "the Apocrypha. I certainly love the"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "Catholic Apocrypha. Um, and I I like the"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "Gnostic texts. But we also I also want"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "to be balanced and say if Paul and the"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "various uh, you know, the various future"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "bishops, you know, those New Testament"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "books, all of which came before the"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "gospels."}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": ">> You know, they did have a goal, which"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "was we need to keep this alive. And and"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "I do have to I do have to give due"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "credit and say how else were you going"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "to do that if you weren't going to unify"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "under churches and rules."}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:09", "text": ">> That's a great point."}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:11", "text": ">> Um and how are you going to survive, you"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "know, because at the time early early"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "Christianity was a cult, a cult, not"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "oult. Right."}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:16", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:18", "text": ">> You're going to go mainstream if you're"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "going to spread this good word, so to"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "speak. Um"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:21", "text": ">> there's no difference between a cult and"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "a religion."}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": ">> Well, just numbers."}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:26", "text": ">> Just numbers."}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": ">> Now, now in in secular conveyance,"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "right? Uh that's you know people hear a"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "cult they're like yes and we kill"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "children and goats and do like you know"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "that but no in in a very technical"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "academic sense"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:36", "text": ">> numbers is what makes you a religion."}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:39", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> So um so no I I'm kind of open-minded"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "about both sides of it. I see why it"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "happened. I see why orthodox religion"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "right so to speak occurred the way it"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "did. Um, but I do think going back to"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "the Gnostics that some of that"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "introspection and personal enlightenment"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "and and if I remember Pgles correctly,"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "the fact that various people would take"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "turns uh being the priest or the"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "minister or the rabbi. Um, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "in the way Paggel sets it up, this just"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "was not going to work for for an"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "organized religion. Um, I'm just a fan"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "of the nasticism. uh not not so much the"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "modern form where there's I I can't"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "remember 36 layers with passwords that"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "you have to get through. Yeah. Um I"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "think that might be a little too much."}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:22", "text": ">> So I agree more like the book of Phillip"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "and the book of John. That's more my"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "speed."}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": ">> Um so you're in you're in social"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "sciences psychology"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "and um you start to talk about"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "parasychology and someone said you will"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "never speak to another human being"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "Who who was that? Who told you that?"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:44", "text": ">> Oh, well, actually, I'm not I don't Did"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "I say that?"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:46", "text": ">> Someone said that to you."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:49", "text": ">> don't go into the field because you'll"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "never be taken seriously again."}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:56", "text": ">> Honestly, that was my undergrad adviser."}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:59", "text": ">> Um, and and in in fairness, uh, the the"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "degree of of of bias when you're looking"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "at the 80s, early 90s towards Parasite"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "was significantly more"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:07", "text": ">> Oh, sure."}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:08", "text": ">> robust. Oh, sure. We we've gotten, you"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "know, society as a whole has gotten a"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "little more loosey- goosey in the last"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "30 years. Um,"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:14", "text": ">> I'd call it open-minded."}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:16", "text": ">> Yeah, that's fine."}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:19", "text": ">> And in terms of of of, you know,"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "psychology, religion lit, uh, there's"}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "been about a 10% decline in orthodox"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "religion, uh, adherence to it in our"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "society, uh, really, I think, persistent"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "now for about 30 or 40 years. So, we are"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "seeing a cultural paradigm shift."}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:32", "text": ">> That's interesting because church"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "attendance is up."}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": ">> It is now."}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:38", "text": ">> It is now. Um and and if uh man because"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "I am not going to go into politics on"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "here but uh if you objectively if you"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "objectively look at what has occurred in"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "the last 10 or 15 years we have had a"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "lot of challenges"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:51", "text": ">> to to what we would call the unified"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "social fabric"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:53", "text": ">> of America."}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:54", "text": ">> That's not left or right. That's that's"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "all of them."}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Um but as a result uh you know if"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "you're kind of familiar with the"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "dynamics of it if you don't have a"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "message many messages will compete. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:07", "text": ">> back to social identity theory. Now you"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "have your in-groups and your outroups."}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "So I would say that the onboarding of"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "religion recently is a counter move"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "against the 2015 right kind of"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "left-leaning material. Um and so I don't"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "even know how that's going to pan out."}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:22", "text": ">> I don't I don't either, but I'm glad"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "it's happening."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": ">> Balance is good."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": ">> It is good. Um"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "I think were you a professor by day and"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "then giving ghost tours at night and"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "tarot readings cuz you started a I guess"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "a student club, right?"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:40", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": ">> And I think it had a terrible acronym."}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "Was it what? ASAF."}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:44", "text": ">> Yeah. As [laughter] yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:46", "text": ">> ASAF. Okay."}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:49", "text": ">> Okay. In my in my defense. Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": ">> In my defense and and I'm going to own"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "this for the entire field. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "Social scientists are shitty at naming"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "things. I see that"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:59", "text": ">> we have multiple names for the same"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "theory. We It's It's We're bad at it. I"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "will own my sin. Um Yeah. It turned into"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "Israel, which isn't necessarily the best"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "name either. Um"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:08", "text": ">> I noticed that went from ASAP to Israel."}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Yes. Uh in in 2014, I believe."}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:14", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:14", "text": ">> so what were you doing? Where were the"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "tours?"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": ">> Um well, actually we did the tours as"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "part of fundraising for when we actually"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "filed for nonprofit status. So, uh, the"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "whole nonprofit started originally as"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "just students volunteering and me kind"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "of showing them the scientific method"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "and us basically me having a gaggle of"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "research assistants."}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:36", "text": ">> What were you teaching at the time?"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:37", "text": ">> Um, sociology and psychology."}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:39", "text": ">> So, would you have students coming"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "during office hours with ghost stories?"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:43", "text": ">> Um, actually what I would do is I just"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "make a pitch every semester uh with that"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "caveat of this is work, make no mistake."}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "If this interests you, it's available"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "and with all the appropriate ethical"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "caveats of this will not affect your"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "grade. This there's no brownie points to"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "be had here. I do this. If you're"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "interested, you want to learn about"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "science and poke ghosts, so to speak."}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "Um, come see me. Um, and we never I I"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "never had a problem uh recruiting a"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "gaggle of of people. Of course not."}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:08", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:10", "text": ">> you were teaching first years, second"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": ">> first and second, but I also did"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "university. I'd do uh junior and senior"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "level classes, too."}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:19", "text": ">> Um, cuz Yeah. Odd thing. I was a social"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "psychologist, but um they basically"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "asked me to do uh sociology."}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:23", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:24", "text": ">> And I'm like, \"Yeah, sure. Why not?\""}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "Right? Most of the stuff in sociology"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "comes from social psych. I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "\"Let's go.\""}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": ">> Um so, you know, for a for a long time,"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "for about 10 years, um it was really"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "just a student organization. And then we"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "did uh local historical tours uh down in"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "Jeffersonville, Indiana, where we"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "collected all the stories and we would"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "actually do some investigations on the"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "site and then we'd give tours as"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "fundraisers uh to get a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "money because uh anyone who does"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "investigations knows that the cost of"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "actually buying equipment is insane. Um"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "and I had the amount of money you would"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "expect of being a uh community college"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "university professor."}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": ">> Well, take us to one of the stops in the"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "tour. Tell us a ghost story. Well, okay."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "Um, there is a nice little beastro, free"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "advertising, uh, called the Red Yeti."}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:13", "text": ">> I already love it."}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:16", "text": ">> Yeah, it's it's in, uh, it's in downtown"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "Jeffersonville on Spring Street. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "their owners reported, in fact, somebody"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "stole our material and was doing a"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "recent report on them about a year ago"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "in a newspaper. I'm like, how dare you?"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:26", "text": ">> Content thieves. Tell me about it."}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:32", "text": ">> Whatever. But um so uh they were there"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "was an apartment upstairs if I remember"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "correctly and they uh were reporting"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "shadow people and various weird"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "disturbances. The restaurant itself"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "reported some pretty strong"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "psychokinesis"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "things were moving."}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:46", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. Psycho uh glass glassware"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "being flung off a shelf. And we're not"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "talking about like oops tinkle. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "was uh several reports if I remember"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "correctly of flinging objects being"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "flung."}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:59", "text": ">> Okay. Um, so at the time we were a local"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "organization, right? You student,"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "professor, whatever. Um, and I can't"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "remember if we asked them or if they"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "invited us uh to investigate, but"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "anyway, there we were. Um,"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "interestingly, we set the all, you know,"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "we set the equipment up and in those"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "days I had, you know, a full range of"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "data logging, EMF meters, multiple"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "cameras, hotspot method, right? Because"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "again, my goal was let's capture"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "objective phenomena, right? U there's a"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "whole discussion there, but I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "catch weird spooky Um which"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "interestingly enough, did we see objects"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "move? No. Uh did a couple of our members"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "have psychosmatic effects? Uh and we had"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "some members that you know like oh I"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "feel kind of nauseous. I feel weird. Uh"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "yes. The interesting bit was and I'm mad"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "because again this was almost great"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "evidence. We had three people in the"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "kitchen."}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "They swear up and down. They saw roughly"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "an 18 in to twoft orb glowing blue. Wow."}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "Pop through one wall and pop through the"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "other. Now, I can say this. We did have"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "a camera in the kitchen and I did catch"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "the corner of it."}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:12", "text": ">> You did."}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:13", "text": ">> We caught the corner of it. We didn't"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "catch the full. So, in other words, if"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "this was the screen, right, you could"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "see it like you saw this bright light"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "like just around the corner, but it"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "wasn't a full capture. So, I mean, it"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "definitely corroborated their"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "experiences and there was obviously some"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "sort of light anomaly that we captured"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "on video. Um, but yeah, that was they"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "saw a fullbodied quote unquote orb,"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "crackling blue, solid, popped right"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "through all of about a half second."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:43", "text": ">> Did something happen on that property?"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "What do they think it was?"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": ">> Trying to remember. Well, okay."}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "Jeffersonville was known both for"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "illegal gambling and a fair amount of,"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "if I if I remember correctly, and I hope"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "I get this right, mob activity."}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:55", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:55", "text": ">> There's a fair amount of murders,"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:57", "text": ">> okay?"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:59", "text": ">> And a fair amount of burn-ins and a fair"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "amount of uh people dying under"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "suspicious circumstances. And I can't"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "remember the specifics of that because"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "it's been like 15 years, I think. Um,"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "but it did have a history of some kind."}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "I just can't remember what was"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "specifically the case. Supposedly, it's"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "still haunted because like I said, I saw"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "a report on it 6 months to 12 months ago"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "in some newspaper um advertising"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "Jeffersonville or maybe it was a"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "Facebook ad. Um but no, we never got any"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "objects moving. But we did uh did have"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "three witnesses that saw a full-blown"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "orb, you know, not like a bug, but like"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "a oh look, this is emitting its own"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "light. It just flashed through the"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "kitchen. What the hell is that? Um"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "pretty spooky."}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:39", "text": ">> Very spooky. Let's take a quick break"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "and when we come back we can talk about"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "the gear, the science, and how K2 meters"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "may be a waste of your money."}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:46", "text": ">> Yeah, they are. Um,"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> we'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:50", "text": ">> Okay, the dumb question. Here's the dumb"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> Hit me."}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:56", "text": ">> Everybody sees on TV the ghost hunters"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "with the box with the lights. Oh, he's"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "rolling his eyes and it's spiking. What"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "is the box? What What is it measuring?"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "Um, [sighs] usually with an EMF meter"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "like the K2s and stuff, they're"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:11", "text": "measuring mains frequency EMF, which in"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "America is 60 Hz and in England, I"}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "believe 50."}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:15", "text": ">> It's 50 in England. So, this is just"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "electricity in the walls."}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": ">> Well, it it's it's not. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "any electrical current will give off. By"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "the way, I am not a physicist. This was"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "me doing side research to figure out how"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "to put together meters back in the day."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "Uh, so not an expert, just someone"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "that's read on it."}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:31", "text": ">> The experts are down in the comments."}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "Don't worry about it. Okay. Of of course"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "they will. Well, actually um [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "um so any electrical field is going to"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "give off a magnetic field, right? So the"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "vast, you know, so anytime you have"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "mains frequency 60 Hz, right? Um EMF,"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "it's coming from Yes. the electricity"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "electricity in the walls. Now, where"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "people make a mistake is that"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "electromagnetic fields decay on an"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "exponential rate. So something that is"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "100 millig up close will be 10 m"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "milligals 1 ft away."}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": ">> Inverse square law."}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:05", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. Um and that gets"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "sometimes you'll see people make claims"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "like that. Well, the power lines I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "like well the power lines after about 10"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "ft go to nothing,"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:16", "text": ">> right? Um, but in terms of of EMF"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "spikes, um, in my experience, you know,"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "back back when I did field stuff, we"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "rarely would get, um, spikes and and you"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "do see on the shows, you know, they're"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "like, oh, you know, 1.8 millig. I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "like, well, okay, but that's not really"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "abnormal. Um, now, I mean, there are"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "sometimes"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:33", "text": ">> 1.8 millig."}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:36", "text": ">> Doesn't isn't the Earth somewhere"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "between 200 and 500 millig?"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:41", "text": ">> Well, but that's geomagnetic fields."}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "Yes. And those are down at the 2 to 10"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "hertz range if I'm remembering"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "correctly."}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:46", "text": ">> They are."}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:49", "text": ">> Um and I think somewhere between one and"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "two millig is the norm."}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:50", "text": ">> Oh, maybe I'm wrong."}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:52", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:53", "text": ">> Um because it's been a while since I've"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "dug into that."}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:58", "text": ">> Um but no, not a high field. Now, um and"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "this is uh like per uh Stan Corin's"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "would would be the person you'd want to"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "talk to on this one in in detail and"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "he's if he ever watches this, he's going"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "to be mad at me. Um but yeah, you can"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "have various uh geological features that"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "will increase or decrease uh geomagnetic"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "activity. In fact, he did a whole series"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "of studies suggesting um are you"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "familiar with the person effect?"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Right. Uh so"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> God helmet."}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": ">> Yes. The god helmet. Uh and the claim"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "for a while and I personally do not"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "agree with this. Uh doesn't mean I'm"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "right. I just don't personally agree"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "with it. You know, the claim was, look,"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "there's naturally occurring geomagnetic"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "fields at these haunted locations."}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:39", "text": ">> Um, but I believe in the papers he did"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "looking at 40 or 50 locations, maybe two"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "of them actually met criteria. But it"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "gets more problematic because for you to"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "get a God helmet effect, you need, if I"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "remember correctly, 6 to 8 hertz"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:52", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:54", "text": ">> applied to the brain consistently,"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:56", "text": ">> 6 to8 hertz at the temporal lobe."}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:56", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, consistently for several"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "minutes."}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:02", "text": ">> Mh. And that is going to be a tall order"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "in a natural geomagnetic field,"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:05", "text": ">> right? The god helmet's got magnets"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "right next to your brain."}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh we did buy one of those by the"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "way and set them up back when we did the"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "Black Moon Manor uh study way back in"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "the day. Um and we had people uh cuz"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "ghosts are perverts. They were wearing"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "the helmet and they they felt an"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "earthquake and then they got fondled and"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "it was it was a very messed up day."}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "[laughter] So we're like, \"Okay, let's"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "not mess with that here too much. It's"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "freaking people out. Um,"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:33", "text": ">> didn't Persinger say that"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "the that people were creating the ghost"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "phenomenon?"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:38", "text": ">> Yeah. The idea was you're basically"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "having a hallucination or if you like"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "vernacular, tripping balls off of a"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "geomagnetic field."}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:44", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": ">> Um, I don't think that explanation is"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "sufficient. Okay. Um, and I've also done"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "several studies now at this point"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "showing and I can't tell you why."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "There's just a relationship. Uh there is"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:58", "text": "a time-sc relationship between objective"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "and subjective paranormal phenomena and"}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "EMF wiggle right before the event"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "occurs. Um and"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:04", "text": ">> that's time sync."}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": ">> Well, yeah, I would say if I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "be formal about it, a correlation in"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "time"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:14", "text": ">> with either suppression of EMF or"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "expansion of EMF right before observable"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "paranormal phenomena like objects"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "moving. Right."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": ">> So this is why you want all your video,"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "audio, everything time synced."}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:24", "text": ">> Yeah. And and that was really the"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "original goal of of Isra back in the"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "day. We're like, \"Okay, I want I want to"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "see if all the shows with ghost hunting"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "are true. Let's test the EMF theory,"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "right?\" Um, and to be fair, the research"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "we did, I mean, in fairness, I did three"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "papers out of it, and there's they"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "replicated across the board."}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:43", "text": ">> What frequencies?"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "if I'm remembering correctly, we got the"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "effect both with geomagnetic and, uh,"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "mains frequency. So the phenomena is"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "affecting"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "frequencies that exist already. So you"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "don't have to filter anything out."}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "They're not living on their own part of"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "the spectrum. Or are they?"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:04", "text": ">> When you say they, are you referring to"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "like ghosts, discarnate entities?"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:06", "text": ">> Whatever caused the wiggle."}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:07", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:08", "text": ">> I'm not a believer to be honest."}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:10", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:11", "text": ">> Um I'm a hopeful believer like like I"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "want to believe."}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:15", "text": ">> Um I actually do fully believe in"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "discarnate agency. I I also believe in"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "sigh."}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:19", "text": ">> That doesn't mean I can prove it as a"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "scientist, right? And I want to make"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "that distinction clear. There's what"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "science can demonstrate and then there's"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "what anyone particularly believes about"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "it. Um"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "the science answer and then we can get"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "to to the ghosty answer is"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "uh in in the first study at Black Moon"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "Manor, no electricity generating fields"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "at all, half mile away from power lines."}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "This was a nearly abandoned house in the"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "middle of nowhere. Um we captured three"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:47", "text": "videos of shadow people coming out of a"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "basement with no exits, right? So"}, {"start": "00:54:47", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "there's no entry or exit to this point"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "and I'm proud of this one. This is this"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "is one of the best phenomena we ever"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "captured. The video sucks unfortunately"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "because it was 2009."}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:54:59", "text": ">> I'm just going to ask you if this is"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "available."}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:02", "text": ">> Well, it it is and I could find it. It"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "and in the video it's clear. I have some"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "pictures in the book, but the the book"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "pictures don't capture it well. Right."}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "And I'm"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:12", "text": ">> sorry. Um but the point is there was"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "three videos where you would see an"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "scenario. Camera here, camera here."}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "Okay. So this camera and this camera is"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "pointing the opposite direction. So"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "obviously for for criticism or or"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "skepticism, nobody could have been"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "behind this, right? Everyone was"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "accounted for in the house. They were"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "all outside at the time. In fact, we"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "were doing sweeps around the house to"}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "see if there's anything we needed to be"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "aware of, right? Um that might be"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "influencing what was going on inside of"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "this location. So the front camera's"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "here. It's pointed to one door. The door"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "only goes to a basement with no entry"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "and no exit. And we had three episodes."}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "We had about an eight foot tall shadow"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "come across the door."}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "Then we had an 8 foot tall shadow come"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "back across the door. And it's very"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "clear in the video, right? There's it's"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "this tall like stripe kind of humanish."}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "And then five of various heights"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "come out. And in each instance there was"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "either an expansion or a suppression"}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "when you look at the data of the"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "electromagnetic fields"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": ">> there was"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": ">> yes so it was correlated with this comp"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "and when I say compression uh this is"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "the one caveat we found if you want if"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "if this thrice done research is solid"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "right could have been wrong could be a"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "null finding if somebody else did it but"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "three times not too bad right um"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "what we found was not a spike right oh"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "god the milligals went up. What we found"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "was wiggle. So the only way you're going"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "to find this stuff is if you were data"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "logging."}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": ">> Is this wiggle like amplitude wiggle or"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "compression of the sine wave? Wiggle"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> um amplitude, right? So you would get"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "like if this is the average wiggle"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "amount you get with EMF over time you're"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "sampling 1 2 3 or 15 times a second,"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "whatever the sample rate is, right? We"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "would either get an expansion"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:05", "text": ">> so the peaks and the trials get higher"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "or we get a suppression. And we found"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "that to be the case in all three of the"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "studies that we did. Um, so quality EVP"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "in the 2013 study, uh, those shadow"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "figures, which, uh, oh, and by the way,"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "the shadows were in infrared."}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:21", "text": ">> They were in infrared."}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": ">> They were in infrared because actually"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "it wasn't bright enough for full color"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "video. So, it was the black and white"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "infrared that picked up the shadows."}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:31", "text": ">> Wow. So, well, that means there's heat."}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "This was a place, I kid you not, I"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "haven't seen apppertation happen very"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "often. This was a place where I"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "personally witnessed, I can't prove it,"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "a you know those um 5B plastic chairs"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "you can buy at Walmart."}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:47", "text": ">> One was just in the middle of the room"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "out of nowhere."}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:50", "text": ">> Poof. 5B chair"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:52", "text": ">> just disappeared."}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Like I'm I look away. I'm doing my"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "thing. 2 minutes later and it's not like"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "somebody brought plastic chairs to the"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "site. Um next thing you know, there's a"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "damn chair in the middle of the room."}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "Were you rolling camera on that?"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:05", "text": ">> No. No video for that one. Also, there"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "was a milk crate in the basement that"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "people were sitting on that again there"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "was one only one exit and entry and it's"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "not like you can you know the old milk"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "crates that right? It's"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:14", "text": ">> not like you can shove that under your"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "shirt."}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:16", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:17", "text": ">> that thing disappeared."}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:18", "text": ">> That it disappeared."}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:19", "text": ">> It disappeared."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:20", "text": ">> Did you look into the history of the"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "house?"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:23", "text": ">> Here's something a lot of us don't like"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "to admit. The reason we haven't started"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "a GLP1 isn't because of the cost. It's"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "[music] about the needle. 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WGOI is the registered"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "trademark of Nova Nordisk as to get"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "started and learn more including [music]"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:31", "text": "important safety information, WGOI"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "clinical study information and"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "restrictions, visit hims.com."}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:37", "text": ">> Yes. And it was all bull crap."}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:39", "text": ">> What do you mean?"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:40", "text": ">> It was um when we went there was a place"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "called uh"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:42", "text": ">> This isn't Black Moon, right?"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:44", "text": ">> It is Blackburn."}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:45", "text": ">> So Black Moon Black Moon is fully"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "debunked."}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:48", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:50", "text": ">> But stuff still happened."}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:52", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "Yes. Um Yeah. And Yeah. Because the"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "claim back in the day was like, \"Oh, the"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "tubercul I think tuberculosis, kids in"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "the back and people are dead, people in"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "suic.\" We we actually um and I'll be"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "fair, I have never been um it's good to"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "do the history. Um but I've never been"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "big on the history because again, my"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "focus at the time was like, \"No, I want"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "to capture spooky right? I want to"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "capture the weird stuff.\" Uh but we did"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "in that one do uh do some historical"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "research and debunked all of it. It"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "wasn't like there was no historical"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "evidence of dead bodies or anything like"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "that. I'm not even sure the suicides"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "were true. Um, and my don't think they"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "were."}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:32", "text": ">> And my understanding was that um the"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:33", "text": "owners of the property got so mad about"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "the legends that that's what ended up"}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "getting it bulldozed and torn down and"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "everything else. Um,"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "yeah, that's yeah, that's what I got"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "accounted. That's what I got told."}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "Anyway, um, but no, that place also uh"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "change change in candy would show up on"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "the floor."}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:49", "text": ">> Change"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:51", "text": ">> uh like coins."}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:52", "text": ">> No, I know what you mean."}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "check the dates on those?"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": ">> I didn't know. Well, because again,"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "honestly, me being skeptical, I'm like,"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "who's got a hole in their pocket, right?"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:01", "text": ">> I I I just didn't take it. And then"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "after the milk crate, the chair"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "overcomes, it's like, yeah, maybe change"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:07", "text": ">> coins appearing happens in all kinds of"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "it happens on Skinwalker Ranch all the"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "time. You're finding coins"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:11", "text": ">> and a fair history of it with"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "Poltergeist phenomena. Yes. Over the"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "years, too. Uh so, no, I would call that"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "place legitimately active while while I"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "was around. Like, you're going to have a"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "hard time debunking some of that stuff."}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:23", "text": ">> Did you feel anything? Um, yeah, there"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "was a lot of a sensation of a presence"}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:27", "text": ">> There was."}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, and and again, now I'm"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:30", "text": ">> I guess I guess Persinger would have"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "agreed."}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:34", "text": ">> Well, I mean, although if I remember the"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "readings, I'm not sure really it would"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "have qualified for a person effect in"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "terms of the hertz rate that was going"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:42", "text": "on over there."}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:44", "text": ">> Not at 60, but it but at five"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:46", "text": ">> maybe. I mean, you know, but again, and"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "I'm not saying it can't occur. I think"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "under controlled laboratory conditions,"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:52", "text": "you absolutely get that passenger helmet"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "effect. I'm just um and I could be, you"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "know, somebody may write me and correct"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "me, but I find it suspicious that nature"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "would provide such a sustained hertz"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "rate over an extended period of time to"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "produce that effect. Um, and it's"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "certainly not going to account for"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "psychokinesis and it's not going to, you"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "know, so for subjective events,"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "absolutely."}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:14", "text": ">> No, that's been that's been proven to in"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "testing third man syndrome to stimulate"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "the temporal lobe."}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:19", "text": ">> Yeah. the frontal lobe, you suddenly"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "feel a presence."}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:22", "text": ">> And I think something like one out of"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "five or maybe 10% of people actually had"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "full-blown visions if I remember. Um,"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "and although this makes me a bad"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "researcher, um, and because I can't"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "remember the the name uh the name of the"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "the researcher, but there's a fair"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "amount of studies into mirror gazing"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "where um, vast majority of participants"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "after about a minute will see"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "distortions of the face."}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:44", "text": ">> Yep. Um, and then a small percentage of"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "those will actually go on to see"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "additional um I suspect that's"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "correlated with transmonality, but"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:52", "text": "that's another sidebar."}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:53", "text": ">> Um, I've I've read those studies and I"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "quite a few subjects bailed out. They"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "said, \"I don't want to do this anymore.\""}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, we had that in the seance"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "study part of um the EMF relationship"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "we're talking about. Um, I actually got"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "permission to set up a seance study. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "so we had uh 10 or 11 participants each"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "do 10 sessions. Five, five and four,"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "five and six. uh 10 sessions and we set"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "up the cameras and the EMF meters um and"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:19", "text": "we didn't actually capture any"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "phenomena, but my goodness, they"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "verbally reported an insane amount of"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "phenomena and lo and behold, we got that"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "suppression expansion effect with EMF in"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "time to their verbal reports."}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:32", "text": ">> What were they talking about?"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:34", "text": ">> Well, we went we went whole hog on this"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "one. This one was almost as bad as my"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:40", "text": "dissertation. Um, I had them"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "purposefully do an invocation and"}, {"start": "01:03:40", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "meditation and even a kind of a a small"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "slightly occultic summoning."}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:48", "text": ">> Wow. Okay."}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:50", "text": ">> Um, and then and then the rule was"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "anytime you're experiencing something,"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "we want you to verbally report it"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "because we were also interested in"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "contagion effects."}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:58", "text": ">> To what extent if you're saying you have"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:03:59", "text": "a chill, will other people be like,"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "\"Yeah, come to think of it, I'm having a"}, {"start": "01:03:59", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "chill.\" By the way, massive contagion,"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "right? Um, so a lot of that can be"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "explained by conventional psychology in"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "that sense, unless you want to interject"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:10", "text": "a little bit of spiritual wiggle inside"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "the contagion, which"}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:13", "text": ">> you can."}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:13", "text": ">> Yeah, you can. I actually think that's"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "might be the case,"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:16", "text": ">> but I think with the Ouija board is just"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "contagion."}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:19", "text": ">> Um, maybe. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:19", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:22", "text": ">> Maybe."}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> Well, and I say maybe because"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "nobody's really dug that deeply into it."}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "No."}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:29", "text": ">> You know, two or three cool studies does"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "not a thorough investigation make. No."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "And I'd say the same about my EMF data."}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "Um, I would stick to that and really be"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "like, \"Yes, that is real.\" If I had"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:39", "text": "three or four other researchers decide"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "to do their own study and replicate the"}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "results, but I have to own that this was"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "me doing repeated studies. Uh, so it's"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "not independent verification. So I would"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "say, \"Yep, I think something's there.\""}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "Um, I'm not going to die on that hill"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "over it. Um, I mean, it is replicated"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "three times. That's, you know, so I'd"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "say, \"Hey, look, it happened.\" But um I'"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:01", "text": "I'd love for somebody else to pick it up"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "and give it a try."}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:04", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:05", "text": ">> Um but no, with the seance thing, no,"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:07", "text": "they would report all sorts of"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "phenomena. Uh we even had one who swore"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:11", "text": "that they saw a spirit and it freaked"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "them out so bad uh that they they were"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "out. They they they left the study. Um"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "but no, we'd have people get exhausted,"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "headaches, put their head on the table."}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "Um a whole range of of uh subjective"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "psychosmatic phenomena if if you will."}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:27", "text": ">> what about EVP? Did you ever get into"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:30", "text": ">> Not not from the seance study. We didn't"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "get a thing that would be objective."}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:34", "text": ">> Ever get anything on EVP?"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, but I'm I'm pretty snoody"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "about EVP."}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:37", "text": ">> Go ahead."}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:40", "text": ">> In the sense of I'm like, I want to hear"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "a voice. Damn it. I don't want"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:44", "text": ">> I'm like, okay, Paridolia. Uh, which"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "also hasn't been sufficiently studied."}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "Also ticks me off. Um, but uh, yeah. No,"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "every now the Black Moon Manor case, we"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "had a couple of very clear voices."}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:54", "text": ">> You had voices? Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:55", "text": ">> Saying what? Um, I remember this one we"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "didn't include in the study because it"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "got shown later. Uh, but evidently there"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "was a recorder that got some uh grandpa"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "like voice being like, \"Dang, kids"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "walking around here.\" Thump thumb thump."}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "Uh,"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:07", "text": ">> wow."}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:09", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, I"}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:11", "text": ">> like an awareness of you guys."}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:13", "text": ">> Mhm. Yep. Um, I've been lucky enough to"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "run into some stuff that's just outright"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "creepy."}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:16", "text": ">> Go ahead."}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:18", "text": ">> Uh, well, I mean, you know, between"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "what? Between the fire, between the"}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "shadow people,"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:21", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:23", "text": ">> um, there let me think. Um,"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:24", "text": ">> the EVP is what's creeps me out the"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "most."}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:30", "text": ">> I I don't I have some designs that if"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "somebody wanted to help me with it,"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "because this is I'm I'm starting to get"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "to the age where I'm like I am not"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "carrying this 400 hour project on my"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "own. I'm not doing it. I'm like I'm too"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "tired."}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:41", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:43", "text": ">> one of the things I would love to see"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "and actually I might be moving towards"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "this in the next couple of years is"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "starting to study the common myths of"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "investigating."}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "Um, and and there are several designs I"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "could think of off the top of my head"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "where we could start to crack at EVP in"}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "a very meaningful way. Paridolia is"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "tricky, right? I mean, not to get too"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:07", "text": "geeky, but you know, you can set a"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "baseline for the average amount of noise"}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:09", "text": ">> you would get on an audio recorder."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:11", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:14", "text": ">> Um, then you could, right, start"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "statistically sampling. uh if you get a"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "significantly different rate when people"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "are asking questions versus when they're"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "not, when people are present versus when"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "they're not. Um the whole radio the"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "radio interference theory of EAP of"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "which there's not a single freaking"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "study to test. And that annoys me"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "because it's like it's called a padded"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "soundproof box,"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:35", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:38", "text": ">> Put one near a radio tower, put one in"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "your house. Are there noises?"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "You know, that's not hard. That that's a"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "citizen science project. if if enough"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "people wrote me and said, \"Hey, I'd be"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "willing to do it.\" I'd be like, \"Let's"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "go.\" Because it's not hard. But again,"}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "that's where we get skep pseudoskeepics"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "who don't really have a background in"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "science making very grandiose claims"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "about things that can't happen when they"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "haven't ever cracked open a research"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "article ever. Um, but no, stuff like"}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "EVP, uh, you could do certain protocols"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "with ghost boxes that would at least get"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:09", "text": "at the idea of are you getting an"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "abnormal amount of response? Are you"}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:13", "text": "getting responses that are, you know,"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "deviations from what you might hear?"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "That's modelable. It's It's"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:18", "text": ">> Have you heard a ghost box that worked?"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "And for everyone listening, the ghost"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "boxes on YouTube is all nonsense. Don't"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "listen to those."}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:22", "text": ">> Okay. Those are nonsense."}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:26", "text": ">> Have you ever heard a real one? This is"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:26", "text": "like the Tesla or the Edison Spirit"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "Radio."}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:29", "text": ">> Now, when you say a real one, isn't like"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "one that just rotates through"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "frequencies"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:33", "text": ">> or"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:34", "text": ">> that you're that you heard something?"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "And my next question would be on what"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:37", "text": "frequency?"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": ">> Um, I haven't dealt with them"}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "extensively. I have played with some"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "generic ones and there's been one or two"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "times where the responses seemed re"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "relevant. Um, I had one time I did have"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:54", "text": "an obulus that uh we were investigating,"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "believe it or not, a um police officer"}, {"start": "01:08:54", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "training building."}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "And that ovulus went off four or five"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:08", "text": "times in about 3 minutes and it said gun"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:10", "text": "danger officer and I'm like, holy crap."}, {"start": "01:09:08", "end": "01:09:12", "text": ">> What is an ovulus?"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:14", "text": ">> And good question. What how does the"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "ovulus actually? And that's that's one"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "of the problems with research. An ovulus"}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "is basically a device that's got a"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "pre-programmed set of I think 2,000"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "words. Yep."}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:23", "text": ">> And now they have all these apps that"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "doing all sorts of complicated stuff."}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "And I've also watched some of those"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "videos where they evidently have a very"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:33", "text": "complicated um ovulus/gobox/combo"}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "that's that's selecting. Of course, the"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:36", "text": "problem for science is"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:38", "text": ">> what's all that math and technology"}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "behind what you're getting? Because if I"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "don't know that, there's no way I can"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "test whether you have something normal"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "or abnormal in the first place."}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:47", "text": ">> This is why I don't like them is how did"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "you teach the ghost how to use your"}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "machine?"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> Well, but I might counter and say, you"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "know, uh Nelson's uh global"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "consciousness project."}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:09:57", "text": ">> That's that's a fair response."}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:09:59", "text": ">> So, and and all the micro PK studies"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "nowadays are done with electronics. Uh"}, {"start": "01:09:59", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "we just finished um we just finished a"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "set of studies where we were looking at"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "enchantment and um and ESP and that was"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "all done online. Now that one was a null"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "finding by the way. We did a our sample"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "our original pilot we got suggest uh"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "suggested results but we didn't get it"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "uh we didn't get it with the with the"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "main sample study. Um but there's been a"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "bunch of other micro PK studies right."}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "So the idea of of influencing small, you"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "know, um"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "electronic random number generators or"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "true random, but those are all"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "electronics."}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:36", "text": ">> Um you know, technommancy might be a"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "thing. Um"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:40", "text": ">> I mean, it seems like it's all"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:41", "text": "manipulating the the electromagnetic"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "spectrum somehow."}, {"start": "01:10:41", "end": "01:10:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Why? And and good question. Let's"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "let's talk to some physicists."}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "[laughter] I mean, that's why I wanted"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "to have you in here is because you have"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:52", "text": "a lot of I don't know, but you have a"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "lot of research that shows that"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "something's happening on on the"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "spectrum."}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:11:00", "text": ">> It it it is. I I think it is. And um and"}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "I will say for whatever GPT is worth. Um"}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "and and by the way, when I use GPT, I"}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "specifically say use peer-reviewed"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "studies only. And you need to do that."}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:09", "text": ">> Yeah. And then double check. Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "and when you do that, actually, you tend"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "to get much better responses. Um, but I"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "did go down a rabbit hole one day and"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "say, \"Okay, you know about these three"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "studies. What does dark matter and dark"}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "energy have to say about this?\" Um, and"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "evidently, and again, GPT, so count it"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "for what it's worth. And I'm not a"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "physicist, so count this for what it's"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "worth. Um, there have been some physics"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "studies that are showing um, basically"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "electron-like charge with possible dark"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "matter. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:41", "text": ">> Um, so, you know, you want to go out"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "there for an unsubstantiated theory,"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "maybe if and if you want to accept the"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "the research that I did, maybe EMF is"}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "some sort of secondary effect of uh dark"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "matter interactions."}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:54", "text": ">> I hadn't considered that. That's that's"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "very interesting. They'd have to prove"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "dark matter first, but yeah, that's very"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:11:59", "text": ">> Exactly. Right. Well, we have numbers"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "that don't fit in this formula. Hey, I"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "know. Let's call it Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:04", "text": ">> let's put it over here. Uh, again,"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "labeling. Um, and again, you know, for"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "for the listener, that is a completely"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "unsubstantiated theory. So, don't, you"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "know, I'm I'm not I'm not"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:12", "text": ">> I'm just having a conversation. I'm just"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "interested in this stuff."}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:16", "text": ">> I'm just keeping it keeping it on the"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "keeping it [laughter] real."}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:20", "text": ">> Um, you have an IMDb page."}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": ">> I have an IMDb page."}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:24", "text": ">> You do? Um, I think it's Portuguese"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "film. Portuguese documentary."}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:29", "text": ">> Oh, yes. The bile. Yes."}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:31", "text": ">> Macro Macrociocience."}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:32", "text": ">> Yeah, I did. Tell us about Beach Boss."}, {"start": "01:12:31", "end": "01:12:34", "text": ">> Uh, [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "well, that relates to the EMF study. So,"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "yes, it does."}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:38", "text": ">> Um, have you have you ever heard in in"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:39", "text": "your time of the Whispers in Mitchell,"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "Indiana?"}, {"start": "01:12:39", "end": "01:12:42", "text": ">> So, okay. Now, it's got a controversial"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "history,"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:47", "text": ">> but I have been there at least 10 times."}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:48", "text": ">> Well, tell the story."}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:51", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:12:48", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "so the the haunting background story of"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "it is uh supposedly there was a doctor"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "that performed abortions, right? um and"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "and of questionable nature. And there"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:05", "text": "was a girl there named Rachel who died"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "in a fire. Um and the legends go that uh"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "supposedly the police have gotten some"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:08", "text": "phone calls."}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:10", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:12", "text": ">> From her. Um I've never been able to"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "verify that, but it's awesome story. I"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:14", "text": ">> I've read the same thing that there were"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "police reports about that."}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:19", "text": ">> that they saw her."}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh and actually uh again, Kay Owen"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "from back in the day uh swears up and"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "down she saw her."}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:25", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:27", "text": ">> And even had an audible conversation"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "once. I have been there. I've never"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "heard Rachel. Um, and they also nowadays"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "believe in something called Big Black,"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "which depending on who you're talking to"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "is either an alien or some sort of"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:40", "text": ">> I don't know that one."}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:43", "text": ">> Yeah, I I'm not sure I do either."}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "[laughter] There's uh but supposedly a"}, {"start": "01:13:43", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "big dark mass energy with claws. Um,"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "here's what I will say about the place."}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "Whether the history is true or not, um I"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "have been to that. I have uh been"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "through that place top to bottom. I've"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "looked at the vents for, you know,"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "wires. I've looked for air flow. I've"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "looked for, you know, microphones. Um"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "and I I think there were a couple of um"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "people that claimed they caught some"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "hoaxing at some point. Um I've never"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "caught it and I have been there multiple"}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "times and I have seen a ridiculous"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "amount of phenomena out of that place."}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:21", "text": ">> Like what? Uh, it it came a go-to. Um,"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:22", "text": ">> it became your go-to."}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Actually, it's and in fact, the"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "2019 paper where we have the beach balls"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:29", "text": "was a direct result of Rachel's room."}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:30", "text": ">> Well, that it was in Rachel's room."}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:32", "text": ">> That was in Rachel's room. Yes."}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:33", "text": ">> Yeah. You have to tell us that story."}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "It's wild."}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:37", "text": ">> So, it's um And in fact, when I used to"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "go there, uh, EMF meters scooting on"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "their own across cases. Um,"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:43", "text": ">> were you seeing a wiggle dur while they"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "moved?"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:46", "text": ">> That was before I was doing the wiggle."}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "That's before I designed that whole"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "system. Uh, but the beach ball uh thing"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "was I think 11 beach ball movements in"}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "an hour with two EMF GMF data logging"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:15:00", "text": "meters, two cameras, one in Rachel's"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "room, one in the adjacent room, which I"}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:04", "text": "can't remember what it was called."}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:05", "text": ">> Um each got beach balls, what on the"}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "bed?"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:09", "text": ">> Yeah, there were two and and those are"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "regular trigger objects they keep there."}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "Um I've been there and watched those for"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "nine hours, not move a bit,"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:17", "text": ">> right? Um, we pick them up, we poke"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "them, wait, look for them, we hit, you"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:20", "text": "know, when this started happening. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "and in fact, I have the whole video of"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "it, right? People knocking on the"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "headboard, people jumping on the bed,"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:27", "text": "the balls don't fall off, right? Uh,"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "everything blowing on it, you name it,"}, {"start": "01:15:27", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "we tried to do it. Um, and still over"}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "about 60 minutes there were 11 instances"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "of one or the other falling off the"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "headboard or slightly projecting off the"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "headboard about uh or I'm sorry"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "baseboard about a foot and a half. Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "and of course looking at the EMF data"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:53", "text": "you have the suppression expansion"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "effect. Interestingly the other room"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "no change in EMF 10t away."}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:15:58", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:01", "text": ">> Yeah. So now if you know anything about"}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "fields and vectors right um emf"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "traditionally right any energy"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "traditionally either is a field that"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "comes from a source or it's a projected"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "beam it's a vector right"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:12", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:16", "text": ">> that data in the other room suggests"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "that one explanation spontaneously"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "generating fields with no means to"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "produce them because there's no"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "additional electronic devices or"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "anything else in that room yet we still"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "saw the changes in EMF localized to that"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "room"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:32", "text": ">> and this is the adjacent room there"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "should have been some residual falloff"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "from"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:35", "text": ">> yeah you would have expected the other"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "room if it was a vector right if it was"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "a big or if it was a large field"}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:41", "text": ">> or if it was a field you should see at"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "least the inverse square"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:44", "text": ">> but you didn't get that n"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:46", "text": ">> what the hell is going on in that room"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:48", "text": ">> good question right and that's where you"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "I mean you know anomalistic psychology"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "well it's not even psychology"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "anomalistic physics I guess um no I have"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "no conventional explanation for that and"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "that's how we wrote it up we're like we"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:16:59", "text": "don't have an explanation for this. It"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "looks like, you know, puditive"}, {"start": "01:16:59", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "psychokinesis and there was an ENMF"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "association. Um, and we made a point in"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "that paper to be like, we could be"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "wrong, but we've ruled out X, Y, and Z."}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:11", "text": "We did all of these things and and here"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "you go. Um,"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "but related to that point, um, I've had"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "groups in there, uh, and I I used to be"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "a a little rough and and for anybody"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "who's listening to this that used to be"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "on the team, I'm sorry. um"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:28", "text": ">> you you we would get uh we would have uh"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "new individuals uh that would come in"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "and and my attitude was a little bit"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "military. GET ON IN THERE. GO on up in"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "that room, sit by yourself, right? Um"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "and we actually had a person uh have a"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "pretty bad experience up there. They"}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:44", "text": "started shaking and crying. Um and so we"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "immediately ran up to Rachel's room"}, {"start": "01:17:44", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "because that's where it happened. Um and"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "you know, as a team, we got her out"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "because we're not cold-hearted, right?"}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "And and you know, and everybody's like,"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "\"Oh, right.\" cuz there's tears and"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "there's like shaking."}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:55", "text": ">> What if she just sitting in the in the"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "room in the dark?"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:17:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:59", "text": ">> Hey, hey, it's a boot camp. You"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:01", "text": "[laughter] signed up for it."}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Um Well, you got to get your sea"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:05", "text": "legs if you're going to do this. I mean,"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "because whether you believe or not,"}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:08", "text": "these spaces are are are spooky and you"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "got to get used to spooky."}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:10", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:12", "text": ">> have you ever been in a dark room and"}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "you had to get out?"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:16", "text": ">> Not personally, but I've just seen a lot"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "of creepy So,"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:18", "text": ">> not personally, just throw the kid in"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:21", "text": ">> Yeah, I have a buildup. [laughter] But"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:23", "text": "that's kind of the point. It's It's like"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "a It's like a hazing. It's like a We got"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "you back. We got you on camera. You're"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "good. Um"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:27", "text": ">> she could never see another beach ball"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "again."}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:29", "text": ">> No, no, no. We made her get back in."}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "[laughter] No, no,"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:32", "text": ">> she stuck around for years. She wasn't"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:35", "text": "permanently traumatized. I was an"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "ethical psychologist. Um but the point"}, {"start": "01:18:35", "end": "01:18:38", "text": "is we got everybody in and this is one"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "of the weirdest thing. I can't explain"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "this. We're pulling her out and we're"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "walking maybe, you know, there's like"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:45", "text": "four of us. We're walking back down the"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "steps, you know, we're going to get a"}, {"start": "01:18:45", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "break, let her have some coffee or"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "whatever. And I kid you not, I heard a"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "Wookie. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:54", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:55", "text": ">> Everybody, there's this weird and I'm"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "about to make this noise. Forgive me."}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "Like, right. And every And I remember"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "looking around and we all go,"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:06", "text": ">> \"What the was that?\""}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:08", "text": ">> And some sort of audible noise out of"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "that room, like an audible voice. Now,"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "that I had recorded."}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:12", "text": ">> You did?"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:14", "text": ">> Yes, I have it recorded. I got to find"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "it. It's God, I got so much stuff buried"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:17", "text": "on hard drives. Um,"}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:19", "text": ">> you have to give that to us. It didn't"}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "sound like a Wookie. I heard it and it"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "sounded like a Wookie. It did sound very"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:25", "text": "audibly like some sort of odd voice"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "coming out of the room. And it was very"}, {"start": "01:19:25", "end": "01:19:29", "text": "clear like it was there was no mistaking"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "it. It wasn't a thump or a bump. Uh it"}, {"start": "01:19:29", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "was an absolute voice coming out of that"}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "room."}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:35", "text": ">> I've seen some EVPs. I don't know how"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:37", "text": "real they are. It's almost like a data"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "burst where you just hear this this"}, {"start": "01:19:37", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "noise, but if you slow it down, there's"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "voice in there."}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:44", "text": ">> And I don't know how legitimate that is"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "or isn't."}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:46", "text": ">> It's fun though."}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:48", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean because as a scientist it's"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:50", "text": "fair to say it's like how many layers of"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "compression and variables and you know"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "oh so it's it's hard to get at that. Um"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "but I do know in the case of that that"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "whispers instance that we all heard that"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "voice and that voice showed up on on the"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "audio recorder in there. Um"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:07", "text": "psychossematically or subjectively I've"}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "seen a person knocked flat on their butt"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "uh in the whispers."}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:13", "text": ">> I mean slammed to the ground. Did they"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "fall or did they feel"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:15", "text": ">> pushed? They got slammed."}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:16", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:20", "text": ">> And in fact, it was interesting because"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "back in the day, uh it was it was again"}, {"start": "01:20:20", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "didn't expect to bring up KO in this"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "much, but Kay and I were in the"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:27", "text": ">> Oh, I've got questions about K coming up"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:28", "text": ">> in in the Whisper. Oh, good lord. Um"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:31", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "get hired as a private detective. Um"}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "[gasps] but no, we were um we were"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "basically taunting uh the supposed"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:39", "text": "doctor for a good hour."}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:40", "text": ">> How do you taunt the doctor? We're Oh,"}, {"start": "01:20:39", "end": "01:20:41", "text": "we we were like,"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:43", "text": ">> \"This is back to your study again, man."}, {"start": "01:20:41", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "I told you it's all about that first"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "thesis.\""}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:47", "text": ">> Uh, well, we were in that room in the"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:48", "text": "Whispers where supposedly he was doing"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:50", "text": "his stuff. And again, I don't even Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:20:48", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "I know we existed. I I don't know if"}, {"start": "01:20:50", "end": "01:20:53", "text": "that was really him or not at the time."}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "I'm like, \"Sure.\" So, we were just"}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "talking trash. Uh, we were provoking. We"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "were like, \"Did you kill babies?\" You"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "know, like we were going at it for like"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:04", "text": "an hour. Um, just basically daring it to"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "because in those days I was I was just"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:08", "text": "like, \"Do it. Do it. I'll be okay. Do"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "it. I'm ready to bleed. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:21:08", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "There's and nothing happened. And then"}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "we had another person walk in five"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:15", "text": "minutes later. He touches the headboard"}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:17", "text": "and I caught this on camera and he's"}, {"start": "01:21:15", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "just like,"}, {"start": "01:21:17", "end": "01:21:20", "text": ">> oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:21", "text": ">> He gets up, he looks around like, but"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "that's not entirely uncommon for the"}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "whispers. Cuts and scratches are all"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "over the place. And some of them go well"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "beyond what you might call, you know, a"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "conversion disorder or a psychossematic"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:33", "text": "reaction. I mean, you can diagnose it"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "that way, but"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:36", "text": ">> Trixie, complicated would might be a"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "good word for that. Um,"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:39", "text": ">> I'd love to see the video on that"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "because you you'd be able to tell if it"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "was a push or a fall."}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": ">> Well, and and you know, that's something"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:45", "text": "we wrote about in the book because I"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:47", "text": "actually bring that up specifically uh"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "when that happened, which is, you know,"}, {"start": "01:21:47", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "if the resolution was high enough, could"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "you go and maybe look for a handprint?"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "But even if you did, you know, that's"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "not going to convince a diehard skeptic."}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "No,"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:22:00", "text": ">> you know, that subjective phenomena at"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "the end of the day is is really beyond"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "our technology or science to measure in"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "a significant way. Um, in in the old"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "days when we did the three class system,"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:10", "text": "I always called those class twos. Weird,"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:11", "text": "creepy, but I can't prove it,"}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:13", "text": ">> right? It just it goes in a maybe"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "category, right? It'll freak you out."}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "Might have a nightmare over it, but in"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "terms of being able to to really give it"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:23", "text": "a good proof label."}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "Um, had another uh colleague who's very"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "much a friend to this day. We're very,"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "very close. Um, she swears she got"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "punched in the gut and then she vomited."}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "Um, so you know,"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:36", "text": ">> this was on an investigation."}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:37", "text": ">> Yep. Also in the whispers."}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:39", "text": ">> In the whispers as well."}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:42", "text": ">> Yeah. All that's the whispers."}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "Um, and then, uh, you know, we can talk"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "about the Saddamsville rectory, which is"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "a whole another cup of tea, but um,"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:48", "text": ">> go for it."}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:51", "text": ">> I [laughter] don't want to."}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:52", "text": ">> I have I have a science question. We're"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "definitely getting back to it, but I"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "have a science question. I I understand"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "how the spectrum can be manipulated by"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "whatever this is. I get it. I don't"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "understand how telekinesis or"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "psychokinesis works. How what is this?"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "Let's say something pushed the beach"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "ball."}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:10", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:12", "text": ">> What is the science that could make that"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "possible?"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:14", "text": ">> Good question."}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:15", "text": ">> Let's speculate."}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:18", "text": ">> And and to be fair, you're not going to"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:21", "text": "find a parasychologist or a physicist or"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "maybe even a metaphysicist or that"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "there's not a mechanism for SAI. There's"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "not a mechanism for PK then. And that is"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "one of the criticisms that is a fair"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "criticism. We're observing secondary"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "data um or I should say tertiary"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "outcomes, right? We can see the effect."}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "We can't see the mechanism that causes"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "it. To be fair, dark matter,"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:43", "text": ">> gravitons,"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:45", "text": ">> dark energy, gravitons, right? Um so"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "we're not the only field to do that, but"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "oddly enough, we get all the crap for"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "it. Nobody else calls the other people"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "into account."}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:52", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": ">> I hadn't considered dark matter, but"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "that or gravitons would do it. But now"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "we're talking hyperdimensionality."}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:23:58", "text": ">> Yeah. But I mean even gravitational"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "lensing which is the case they make for"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "I I believe uh dark matter right that is"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "a secondary effect. Yes. You're not"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:05", "text": "measuring the particle or the wave"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "itself."}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:08", "text": ">> Um and you know frankly gravity"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:09", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:11", "text": ">> but that would mean there's black holes"}, {"start": "01:24:09", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "connected to the ghosts"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:17", "text": ">> maybe. Um [laughter] it's you know this"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:19", "text": "is here's a weird mind bender about all"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "this stuff. We talk about how physics"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "has these laws that are absolute. But um"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:26", "text": "are are you familiar about are you are"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "are you familiar with sample to"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "population the idea of right so if I"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:33", "text": "want to know about all daffodils on the"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:35", "text": "planet I can look at one daffodil and"}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "make a conclusion right and what people"}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "don't understand is this is the method"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:41", "text": "for all of science because literally"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "it's impossible to measure everything"}, {"start": "01:24:41", "end": "01:24:45", "text": "right I can't measure every man and"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "woman in the world if I want to look for"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "subtle IQ differences I have to take a"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "sample and infer from that population"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "right or that that from that sample and"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "infer to the population. Well, here and"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:56", "text": "again, I'm not denying physics. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "denying quantum physics in any way,"}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "shape, or form, but the truth is we're"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:01", "text": "like, well, gravity works like this."}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:03", "text": ">> Well, that's no one knows how it works."}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> Ex Well, yeah, but you could say from"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "the measurements, this is the law. Well,"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:10", "text": "look at the entire EM spectrum and let's"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "realistically say,"}, {"start": "01:25:10", "end": "01:25:14", "text": ">> do we measure everything that goes on in"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "the EM spectrum everywhere in the world?"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "No."}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:18", "text": ">> And it's impossible to do. It's"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "impossible. So, so one of the when we"}, {"start": "01:25:18", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "talk about, oh, it's paranormal. I'm"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "like, or there could be all sorts of"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:25", "text": "stuff going around, and I'm not trying"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "to make excuses for it. It's just it's"}, {"start": "01:25:25", "end": "01:25:30", "text": "it's a this is a true thing. We simply"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "don't measure all the variability"}, {"start": "01:25:30", "end": "01:25:35", "text": "of various energy spectrums. Could there"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "be repeatable intelligent patterns"}, {"start": "01:25:35", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "somewhere in the spectrum anywhere?"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:39", "text": "There could be. I'm not saying there"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:42", "text": "are, but there could be because we sure"}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "as hell aren't measuring it. So we have"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:47", "text": "to understand that with science um"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "they're not absolutes. This is why the"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "scientific method and inferial"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "statistics and all the mathematics very"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:57", "text": "clearly say absolutely non-negotiable."}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "You don't ever prove anything. You get"}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "more and more evidence that makes it"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "likely."}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:02", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:04", "text": ">> But literally because of the"}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "phenomenology you're like our limited"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "perception, our limited power, our"}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "limited ability to perceive, our"}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "technology limits. All of these are very"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "real, non-controversial things. And that"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "means there's only so much we can study"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "and sample and then we generalize those"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "findings to everything else going on."}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:23", "text": ">> Everything comes back to Goodle's"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:25", "text": "theorem of incompleteness. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:26", "text": ">> Like you can you'll never fully know."}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:29", "text": ">> Yeah. And and and I think the the key"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "point here is this isn't me giving you a"}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "tangent philosophy. I'm like, \"No, no,"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "here are the facts about how human"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "beings work. Here is the technology."}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:38", "text": "here is factually what we can measure"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "and here's factually what we don't. So,"}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:42", "text": "you know, anytime people are making"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "these claims like, well, we know it's"}, {"start": "01:26:42", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "like, well, we don't know. It just works"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "really well. Doesn't mean it always"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "works really well. And it doesn't mean"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "it works well in Timbuktu because if you"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:53", "text": "really want to answer that, you're going"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:55", "text": "to have to go take a lot of sampling and"}, {"start": "01:26:53", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "data in Timbuktu."}, {"start": "01:26:55", "end": "01:26:58", "text": ">> I believe in SI. I just don't know how"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "it works. You know, one of the great"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "remote viewers like Joe McMongle is"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "wrong most of the time."}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:07", "text": ">> But he's right sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "and you know and I I think the sum of SI"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "data would say uh useful but not"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:13", "text": "necessarily something you want to always"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "put a bet on,"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> right? Um and that's okay, right? Um I"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "do think uh related to uh you know"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "studies with magical practice and etc. I"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "think there are some probably methods in"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:26", "text": "esotericism that would probably improve"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "that. Um but"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:31", "text": ">> what methods? Well, it, you know, this"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:33", "text": "is the thing is, you know, people"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:36", "text": "sensationalize"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "the occult, right? But they really"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "shouldn't because"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:40", "text": ">> it just means hidden knowledge."}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:42", "text": ">> Yeah. And and to be fair, uh, Buddhists"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "probably think Catholicism is really"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "weird and creepy."}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:45", "text": ">> I bet they do,"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:47", "text": ">> right? Um, a lot of this stuff, and I"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "think it's because of horror movies and"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:50", "text": "EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY'RE LIKE, RIGHT."}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "It's like, well, no, if you actually"}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "read it, it's not that much more"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "different than some of this stuff over"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:58", "text": "here. It's a different maybe belief"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "system or it makes different, you know,"}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "metaphysical or theological claims. Uh"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "but it's not actually that uh spooky. Um"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "in or I say that as a person who's like,"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "\"Yeah, I sit in the dark and but but you"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:15", "text": "know, if you get used to it, um it's"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "it's not it's not overwhelmingly"}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "mind-blowing. It's not like the movies."}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "You're not going to crack open a book"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:22", "text": "and suddenly going to come out.\" Well,"}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:24", "text": "we all picture like Jack Parson's"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:26", "text": "basement with Elron Huard and there's a"}, {"start": "01:28:24", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "pentagram and Crowley and there's"}, {"start": "01:28:26", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "someone. Is that what you're talking"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "about?"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:30", "text": ">> Yeah, sure. Sure. Absolutely. And that's"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:33", "text": ">> Well, let's not that I don't want us to"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "do that. Let's not mess with that."}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:37", "text": ">> Why not? [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:39", "text": ">> Because you said I don't know a lot"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "during this segment. So, I don't know if"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "we should have candles and sheep's blood"}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "in the business."}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:45", "text": ">> Yes. I didn't I did not advocate sheep's"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "blood. Granted, I know Parsons got a"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:49", "text": "little iffy and Crowley definitely got a"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "little iffy. Um but the core processes"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "of ma magic aren't that different than"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "prayer."}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:54", "text": ">> True."}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:55", "text": ">> Um and in fact, you know, if you look at"}, {"start": "01:28:54", "end": "01:28:57", "text": ">> or mantra"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": ">> or a mantra and if you look at the"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "Catholic mass"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:00", "text": ">> objectively."}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:02", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:04", "text": ">> Right. Wow. Whole lot of magical"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "implementations, symbols, pieces and"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:09", "text": "objects that have spiritual meaning."}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "Right. All around Latin or a very"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "codified set of rituals that are"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:18", "text": "supposed to produce an intended effect."}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:20", "text": ">> Yes. Hm."}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "Magic is no different. Now, in fairness,"}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "you get into the grimoirs, right? Yep."}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "You start going and particularly from"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "like the, you know, 15th century on and"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "it's all like, I'm going to call these"}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:30", "text": "demons. I'm like, well, you're an idiot,"}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "but okay, fine. If you want to mess with"}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "a chaos creature, hypothetically,"}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "whether it's a yunian archetype in your"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "mind or not, you go do that. Um, but in"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:42", "text": "ter in terms of the actual procedure of"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:46", "text": "of magic, it's not much different than"}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "religion. Um, it it has some variations."}, {"start": "01:29:46", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "It certainly has influenced religious"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "history uh throughout 20 in a very"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "profound and powerful way. Um but the"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:58", "text": "trick with modern esotericism is not so"}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "much you're doing this method or ritual."}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "It's that you've been training your mind"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "in certain forms of altered states of"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "consciousness. Yes. Visualization,"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:12", "text": ">> right? Um and uh single-mindedness. Uh,"}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:15", "text": "in fact, you know, everybody loves uh"}, {"start": "01:30:12", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "Peter Carroll, uh, the Chaos Magician,"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "and he even came up with a mathematical"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:21", "text": "formula, which, um, you know, spoiler"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "alert, I'm I'm actually working on doing"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "some maybe some actual studies that that"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "tease that formula apart."}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:28", "text": ">> Uh, because I've found some ways to"}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:29", "text": "operationalize his his formula."}, {"start": "01:30:28", "end": "01:30:32", "text": ">> Oh, that's interesting."}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> And I'm I'm hoping I get to do that. Um,"}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:35", "text": ">> you found way you found ways to do that"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> mathematically."}, {"start": "01:30:35", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> Yeah, sure. Absolutely. A lot of issues"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:40", "text": "with science are just"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "operationalization. True, right? When"}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "you really think about science, all"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "you're really doing is I need a reliable"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "way to measure this."}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:49", "text": ">> And I need to make sure that what I"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "think I'm measuring is what I'm"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:53", "text": "measuring. And that's that's a lot of"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:55", "text": "scale design of mathematics and and you"}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "can do a pretty good job if you have a"}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:30:59", "text": "sufficient background to make sure that"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:01", "text": "you're measuring what you're supposed to"}, {"start": "01:30:59", "end": "01:31:03", "text": "be measuring. Uh, which is why I don't"}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "like it when people who don't have"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "backgrounds like in paranormality or"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:12", "text": "hauntings or esotericism or religion"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "sitting in a white tower in academia"}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "being like, I made the scale. I'm like,"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:17", "text": "well, there's no guarantee that what"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:19", "text": "these questions you designed with a"}, {"start": "01:31:17", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "tertiary knowledge are actually"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "measuring what you think they're"}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "measuring."}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> So, who's the right person for that job?"}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "What background do you need"}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:27", "text": ">> for any given field? You need someone"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:30", "text": "probably with cultural experience in the"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "thing they're trying to measure. Um, you"}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "know, the the the current go-to measure"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": "for paranormal belief is um, and I can"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "never say this gentleman's name right. I"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "think it's Tobach Tabach or Tobayek. I'm"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "not sure which. His paranormal belief"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "scale, but um, when I did the study with"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "magical practitioners, they hated that"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:46", "text": "scale."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:49", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:52", "text": ">> Because it's basically built in 1980s"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:54", "text": "satanic panic Protestantism."}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:56", "text": ">> Okay, so what's on the scale?"}, {"start": "01:31:54", "end": "01:31:58", "text": ">> So then like black cats are bad luck."}, {"start": "01:31:56", "end": "01:32:02", "text": ">> Really? I believe in witches and it's"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:05", "text": "like oh man for for 2026 20 like it does"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "not fit now for 1980s"}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:09", "text": ">> where you know you had the the satanic"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "panic and Protestantism was much more"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "you know that would kind of make sense"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:14", "text": "but it's not culturally relevant"}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "anymore. In fact I would personally"}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:18", "text": ">> Aussie Osborne's on that list."}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I I would make I I would"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "make the personal criticism and feel"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "free to disagree, anyone can, that we"}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "probably need to retool paranormal"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:27", "text": "belief measures"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:30", "text": ">> because frankly the culture has gotten a"}, {"start": "01:32:27", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "lot more broad. Um you know what mediums"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "think versus ufologists think versus"}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "occultists think, you know, that it's"}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "they're they're vin diagram overlapping,"}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "but they're not the same."}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:41", "text": ">> Um and if we want real assessments of"}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "that belief in terms of what it"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:46", "text": "predicts, I I think it's probably time"}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "for researchers to get together. um each"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:49", "text": "of them with a respective background in"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "the actual culture they're trying to"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "sample because it is, you know, kind of"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "culturally specific. We probably need to"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:56", "text": "go back and retool those and do new"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "scales."}, {"start": "01:32:56", "end": "01:33:02", "text": ">> I think you're right."}, {"start": "01:32:58", "end": "01:33:03", "text": ">> Um do we go to heaven when we die?"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:05", "text": ">> Sure. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:07", "text": ">> The reason for the question is how are"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "we pulling discarnate entities out of"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "wherever we go after this?"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "I"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:15", "text": ">> how how can you insult an abortion"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "doctor and bring him back from he's in"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "hell. How do you bring him back from"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:22", "text": "wherever he's he is?"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:24", "text": ">> I I don't have I personally do not have"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "fixed beliefs about the afterlife."}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:27", "text": ">> You don't"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:30", "text": ">> uh in in the sense of I do think there"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:33", "text": "is an afterlife. Um"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:35", "text": "at the same time, I think that is one of"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:36", "text": "the great metaphysics questions. And I I"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "won't lie, I've I've spent probably"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "thousands of hours at night trying to"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "think about models that might make sense"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:46", "text": "about the idea of of what happens when"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "we die and how that happens. Do I think"}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:52", "text": "there is a heaven or a hell or maybe"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "some version of it? I I mean, yeah, I'm"}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "not sure I'd use I'm not sure I'd use"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "the word heaven and or hell. I I think"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "depending on the on the religion you"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:03", "text": "look at and the tradition you look at,"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:06", "text": "it gets different. Um I I do think we"}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:08", "text": "persist. I'm not sure how much"}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:10", "text": "personally"}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:11", "text": "um and and I allow for for discarnate"}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "agency and and by the way the Catholic"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "Church did too for a long long time."}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:16", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:19", "text": ">> Um you know modern modern religion"}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:23", "text": "particularly Protestantism turned all of"}, {"start": "01:34:19", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "spiritual entities into God, angels,"}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:28", "text": "demons, maybe dead people and that's it."}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "Um, [snorts] historically the Catholics"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "did not look at it that way and frankly"}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "they couldn't because you know for"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "several hundred years they were roaming"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "around converting pagans and they just"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "kind of fit stuff in,"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:36", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:38", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "in terms of that kind of answer,"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:43", "text": "obviously I don't have one. Um, I wish I"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "did. Um, I I think all the time about"}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "various models that might account for"}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:51", "text": "various major faiths and minor faiths"}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:55", "text": "and and hierarchies. And again, I I tend"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:59", "text": "to turn back to um, as above so below."}, {"start": "01:34:55", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "um you know personal take um everything"}, {"start": "01:34:59", "end": "01:35:02", "text": "we see with our own naked eyes has"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "hierarchy."}, {"start": "01:35:02", "end": "01:35:08", "text": "Um we see ecosystems we see larger and"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "smaller. Um it would make sense to me"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "that if there is a spiritual structure"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "to the universe that it is likely to"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "follow a hierarchal structure. Uh what"}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "that looks like?"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:22", "text": ">> Well, if if prayer works, mantras work,"}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:23", "text": "meditation works, you're tapping into"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "some universal consciousness."}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:27", "text": ">> Yeah. manifestation. I believe that"}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "works. I mean, we're sitting here. This"}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "is manifestation in practice."}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:31", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:32", "text": ">> and there's a fair amount of studies"}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:32", "text": "that support it."}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:35", "text": ">> Across the board."}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:36", "text": ">> Yes. The government studied it."}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:40", "text": ">> Then maybe these entities are part of"}, {"start": "01:35:39", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "that or maybe we're pulling them back"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:46", "text": "out of the universal consciousness."}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "It could be it may also be that there"}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "are levels of closeness to physical"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:53", "text": "reality."}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "um that you know if you if well the"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "Cabalic system you know angels,"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "archangels, you know astral realm, lower"}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:01", "text": "critters, higher critters, you know,"}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "cleotic chaos entities, you know, you"}, {"start": "01:36:01", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "know it it's a model. Uh is it the right"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "model? I don't know. Um, but I would say"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "from personal experience, I I'm not sure"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "I think we overestimate how much genuine"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:16", "text": "haunting where there's like anomalous"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "phenomena. If you want to accept uh, you"}, {"start": "01:36:16", "end": "01:36:19", "text": "know, if you want to accept that there"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "are, you know, intelligent agency, and I"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:25", "text": "do personally believe that. Um, I'm not"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "so sure that it's dead people as often"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "as we think it's dead people."}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:31", "text": ">> That's interesting. Well, you know, if"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "you if you look at, you know, all of the"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "folklore accounts of the she, you know,"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:38", "text": "with with Ireland and and Scotland and"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "even, you know, Native American myths, a"}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:43", "text": "lot of cultures account for nature"}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "spirits, middle spirits. And again, if"}, {"start": "01:36:43", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "we're going with an as above so [snorts]"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:49", "text": "below sort of hierarchy, um, there's"}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "going to be a tier. There's going to be"}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "there's going to be a system"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:55", "text": ">> of of lower to higher entities. And I"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:57", "text": "don't mean that like a evil good sort of"}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:37:00", "text": "sense. uh you know basic critters just"}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "like frogs are not human beings, right?"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "Um or or animals or slightly intelligent"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:07", "text": "or maybe possibly you know if you move"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:10", "text": "to animism certain degrees or levels of"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "consciousness um you know up to you know"}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "big boss management level angels and"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "archangels that are handling the cogs of"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:20", "text": "the universe if you will. Um, I'm not so"}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "sure that um, you know, it it's very"}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "popular to go, \"Oh, it's a ghost. Uh, it"}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "is a dead person that is hanging around"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "for some reason and they're angry"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "because they didn't get a Snickers bar"}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:32", "text": "before they died. Give them a Snickers"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "bar.\" Um, but if that was the case, I"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:35", "text": "would expect to see a higher correlation"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:37", "text": "between highly traumatic events in a"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:37", "text": "history of a location."}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:40", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:43", "text": ">> And actual verifiable phenomena. And I"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "have not found that relationship. Um, I"}, {"start": "01:37:43", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "don't think that relationship is as"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:48", "text": "solid as people think it is."}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:50", "text": ">> Could it Could it be something that's"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:51", "text": "really just the intelligence of a"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "critter that's just knocking glasses"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:54", "text": "around?"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:56", "text": ">> Um, just a disturbance in the force."}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:58", "text": ">> Um, I I don't think it's entirely"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "unintelligent. And in fact, I would even"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "say like in a lot of experiences I've"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:04", "text": "had in haunted houses, if again, you"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "want to take it at face value, right?"}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "Um, it is weird how many times there"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "will be phenomena that will kind of ramp"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "up, that will be kind of spooky until"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "someone flips their litter, freaks out,"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "cries, screams, strong emotional feed"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:23", "text": "reaction, and then it goes quiet for the"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "rest of the night. Almost as if it got"}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "fed."}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": ">> It got fed, but it got fed by negative"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "energy."}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:33", "text": ">> Why would it want to eat that? Well, I"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:36", "text": "you know, if if again we're going with"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "an ecosystem of spirit, things have got"}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:41", "text": "to feed on something. And it"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:43", "text": ">> I mean, this is demons, this is fairies,"}, {"start": "01:38:41", "end": "01:38:45", "text": "this is jin, this is in the east, they"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "have spirits. It's all the same stuff."}, {"start": "01:38:45", "end": "01:38:50", "text": "They all feed on negative energy."}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Um or some kind of energy or some"}, {"start": "01:38:50", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "side some sort of output or, you know,"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "there is some sort of interaction"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:38:59", "text": "between the human and and the spirit."}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "Um, in fact, I'm not sure I'll ever get"}, {"start": "01:38:59", "end": "01:39:04", "text": "to it, but I I would love to start doing"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "cross-cultural comparisons and actually"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "getting large scores of accounts of"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:11", "text": "various entities from jin, demons,"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:14", "text": "angels, fairies, right?"}, {"start": "01:39:11", "end": "01:39:16", "text": ">> Strip the labels off. Look purely at the"}, {"start": "01:39:14", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "interaction, the behaviors, the"}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "consequences, the outcomes, the"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "phenomenological pieces."}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:23", "text": ">> They're going to line up."}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:25", "text": ">> And yeah, to what extent do they"}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "mathematically line up? And then when"}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "you put the labels back, do you get the"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:29", "text": "hierarchy you think you would?"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:30", "text": ">> Probably not. That's that's an"}, {"start": "01:39:29", "end": "01:39:31", "text": "interesting turn."}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:34", "text": ">> Um, you know, again, that stuff's"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:35", "text": "doable, but also that's several hundred"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "hours even with AI,"}, {"start": "01:39:35", "end": "01:39:37", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:38", "text": ">> Um, you know, and and that's always an"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:42", "text": "issue when it comes to this stuff, which"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "is labor and funding. Uh, sometimes u"}, {"start": "01:39:42", "end": "01:39:47", "text": "you know, Jim Haran and I have have put"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:50", "text": "in insane amounts of time. Uh, and it's"}, {"start": "01:39:47", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "not our day job. Uh, [snorts] just just"}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:54", "text": "just to do the work that we have. Um,"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:56", "text": "but man, I would love to get my hands on"}, {"start": "01:39:54", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "a project like that because I think"}, {"start": "01:39:56", "end": "01:40:00", "text": "because it it makes the skeptic happy"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "and the believer happy. Um, if you want"}, {"start": "01:40:00", "end": "01:40:06", "text": "to treat it purely as an anthropological"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "or sociological cultural comparison of"}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:09", "text": "of spiritual beliefs, great. That works."}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:11", "text": ">> That works."}, {"start": "01:40:09", "end": "01:40:13", "text": ">> Um, if you want to infer that it's"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "somewhat real, does that give us some"}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "implications about theological or"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "metaphysical structure? Sure. Um, you"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:20", "text": ">> it wouldn't take much funding to do"}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "this."}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:24", "text": ">> It wouldn't. It'd be more it'd be more"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "time and labor."}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:27", "text": ">> Um, and in fact, I've I've dug with AI a"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "little bit be like, \"How much can you"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "actually get a hold of to where we can"}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "actually get, you know, actually"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "database the raw accounts?\" And it's"}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:36", "text": "like, \"I can get a hold of a fair"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:38", "text": "amount.\" And I'm like, h,"}, {"start": "01:40:36", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "um, but again, I'm trying to slow down"}, {"start": "01:40:38", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "right now. So, [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:44", "text": ">> um, but yeah, I mean, I I do have, aside"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "from, you know, the mainstream research,"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:48", "text": "um, I have a lot of theology questions"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "and I have this burning desire to dig"}, {"start": "01:40:48", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "into it. Um, I don't know how far I'll"}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "get. Um, I don't know if it's good for"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:57", "text": "me. Uh, but, you know, I'm just going to"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "keep, um, praying a lot and thinking"}, {"start": "01:40:57", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "about it and seeing where where things"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:01", "text": "go."}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Keep praying while you do this."}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "Um, Kay Owens, you talked about her"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:06", "text": "pulling up with a truckload full of"}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:09", "text": "stuff. What was in the truck?"}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> Oh, that's the original rig system."}, {"start": "01:41:09", "end": "01:41:14", "text": ">> That's right. The rig. What is all that"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "stuff? Okay. So, rigs is is basically,"}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "you know, back in the day with the tech"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "in in the early 90s, um, you know, you"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "had to uh Oh, goodness. What are the"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "what's the the tri field meters, right?"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "Well, you had to specially pay just to"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "get those connected with a jack and then"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "you had to run actual wire to an actual"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "computer box with very specific software"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "to data log the EMF. Um, and so Kayon"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:44", "text": "was the first person who actually uh"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "with, by the way, kudos to her without a"}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "whole lot of educational background."}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "She's like, \"By god, I'm just going to"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "teach myself.\" Internet was young back"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "in those days. Um, she put together the"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "first system and then I put together an"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "improved system based on her tech. But"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "yeah, when we were doing by the time we"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:41:59", "text": "were doing Black Moon, it was a full"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "truck bed of equipment."}, {"start": "01:41:59", "end": "01:42:03", "text": ">> What What made her go to EMF in the"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "first place all those years ago?"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:06", "text": ">> Uh,"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:08", "text": ">> did she start in like the 70s, 80s? I"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "think she was active I want to say she"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "was active in the late 80s to the 90s."}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:13", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:15", "text": ">> Um and you know again I I don't want to"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "tell I guess too much of her story but"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "uh she was originally tapped to be uh"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "the Ghost Hunters group."}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:22", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:23", "text": ">> it would have been great"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:24", "text": ">> but they they uh they went with the"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "plumbers."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:30", "text": ">> So um but no she she kept meticulous"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:32", "text": "records for the time. I was you know I I"}, {"start": "01:42:30", "end": "01:42:34", "text": "owe her a fair amount. She she taught me"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "the ropes of the original investigation"}, {"start": "01:42:34", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "and I I kind of went from went with her."}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:41", "text": ">> Yeah. You guys did scientific method."}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Um and that was our deal because"}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "she was like, I can collect this data. I"}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:47", "text": "need help with the math. I'm like, I can"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:49", "text": "do the math. Um and so that's that's"}, {"start": "01:42:47", "end": "01:42:52", "text": "where that started and it built on from"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:52", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:42:52", "end": "01:42:56", "text": ">> Tell me about Nell."}, {"start": "01:42:54", "end": "01:42:58", "text": ">> Nell, you're going to have to contact"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "me. Which one of the which one of the"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "study Oh,"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:04", "text": ">> she's a retired healthcare worker. Yes."}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:07", "text": "With the um the the San Antonio"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "disturbances. Yes. Um so that was one of"}, {"start": "01:43:07", "end": "01:43:11", "text": "our uh haunted uh haunted people"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:15", "text": "syndrome case studies that we did down"}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "in uh we did down in Texas. Um and that"}, {"start": "01:43:15", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "is uh that is a that is a complicated"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "story."}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:22", "text": ">> I mostly want to know about Nell."}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:24", "text": ">> Well, I want to be careful because I"}, {"start": "01:43:22", "end": "01:43:26", "text": "don't want to break ethics in terms of"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:29", "text": ">> Don't do that. Just what kind of person"}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "she was. Um she was and I don't think"}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:35", "text": "it's it's it's un I don't think it's"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:37", "text": "unethical to say this uh haunted by a"}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "lot of a lot of difficulty. Um you know"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:42", "text": "as we say in the paper uh she had moved"}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "in five locations"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:47", "text": ">> over I think 10 years uh the reported"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:50", "text": "phenomena that she said she experienced."}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:51", "text": "Um you know went with her every time."}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:53", "text": ">> What happened to her?"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:53", "text": ">> Oh let me think. Man it's been a while."}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:59", "text": ">> cuz she could not get away from it. No."}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:01", "text": "Uh she had a whole lot of uh physical"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "physical signs. Uh she reported a lot of"}, {"start": "01:44:01", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "personal apparitional experiences. Uh"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "she reported uh a fair amount of"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:10", "text": "psychokinesis with smaller objects. Um"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "if I'm remembering correctly, don't"}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:13", "text": "quote me on this. Uh a fair amount of"}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "physical illness."}, {"start": "01:44:13", "end": "01:44:19", "text": ">> Um it did spread uh the phenomena spread"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "to her daughter and her granddaughter."}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:23", "text": "Um her husband was involved with it"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:26", "text": ">> even after they left that left her. This"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:30", "text": "is hitchhiker effect. Yep. Um and and in"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "fact I was uh talking to Jim and uh she"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "has moved a couple of times since we did"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "that paper and the phenomena has still"}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "continued."}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:40", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:42", "text": ">> So you know and and in terms of how much"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "of that was verifiable, you know, when"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "when we deal with that case that is very"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:47", "text": "much more of a a cultural psychological"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "manifestation of haunted people"}, {"start": "01:44:47", "end": "01:44:51", "text": "syndrome, right? what are the conditions"}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "by which this person is persistently"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:56", "text": "haunted and what are the disease or"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "psychological effects that are happening"}, {"start": "01:44:56", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "as a result um and and she is has"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "persistently just continued to have"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "problems."}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:03", "text": ">> Did she have some early trauma when did"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "the"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:06", "text": ">> she reported uh and I believe this is"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "also in the report so I think I'm safe"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "there. Uh she reported very negative"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "spiritual experiences in childhood."}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:15", "text": ">> Which I by the way there's not a lot of"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "good studies on this. Um but I keep"}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "getting this is trauma related too."}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:21", "text": "Right. Uh in fact, we have another"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "reporter uh who's who's kind of digging"}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "into that right now. Um I really do"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:29", "text": "think there is a relationship between uh"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "childhood/supnatural"}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:35", "text": "spiritual um and normal trauma and and"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "people being kind of prone to anomalous"}, {"start": "01:45:35", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "experience"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:40", "text": ">> cuz could this be pursing her again?"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:41", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:44", "text": ">> You don't think so? Um, and actually in"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "Enell's case, u I believe her family, if"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "I'm remembering correctly, oh man, I"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "hope I'm not wrong on this, man. You"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:50", "text": "take cognitive psychology and then you"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:52", "text": "proactive and retroactive memory"}, {"start": "01:45:50", "end": "01:45:54", "text": "interference and then you never trust"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:58", "text": "your memory again. Um, you're [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:45:54", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "like, I want the certainty back. Um,"}, {"start": "01:45:58", "end": "01:46:00", "text": ">> yeah, let me know how that works for"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "you. I'm looking for mine, too."}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:05", "text": ">> Well, middle age doesn't help either,"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "but um no, I if I remember because I I"}, {"start": "01:46:05", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "think we were in the car and we were"}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "talking about it. We were driving around"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "one time. um her both her grandmother or"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "her mom uh reported a whole lot of of"}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "spiritual negative experiences and she"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:19", "text": "reported childhood experiences that were"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "near terrifying."}, {"start": "01:46:19", "end": "01:46:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:23", "text": ">> Um so"}, {"start": "01:46:21", "end": "01:46:25", "text": ">> these were not hypnogogic experiences."}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:26", "text": ">> No no I believe they were awake and then"}, {"start": "01:46:25", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "there might have been some that were um"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:30", "text": "but no I I think uh spiritual intrusion"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:33", "text": "if you want to define it that way"}, {"start": "01:46:30", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "culturally was was very much part of"}, {"start": "01:46:33", "end": "01:46:35", "text": "part of her life and has been since"}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "childhood."}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:40", "text": ">> No her story is very sad. Yeah. Um and"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:42", "text": "and and I feel bad that we weren't able"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "to provide her better methods for"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "relief."}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:49", "text": ">> I have some more questions about her,"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "but let's take a quick break and we'll"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "come back. We'll talk about haunted"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "people."}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:53", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:56", "text": ">> I'm going to get a little random now."}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:57", "text": "All my questions that don't fit into the"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "structure."}, {"start": "01:46:57", "end": "01:47:01", "text": ">> Ask your questions, Bridgekeeper. I'm"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "not afraid."}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> Well, the first one's kind of scary. Um,"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:08", "text": "tell me about the the baby and the gas"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "demon. Put us in the room."}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:12", "text": ">> The baby and the gas demon."}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. You're going to have to"}, {"start": "01:47:12", "end": "01:47:17", "text": "give me some reference for that one."}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:20", "text": ">> It was kind of like an exorcism."}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:22", "text": ">> Oh, I don't even know that you're"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:24", "text": "referring to something I saw when I was"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "like 15 or 16 years old. I am."}, {"start": "01:47:24", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> Um, back in the day, I used to spend"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:33", "text": "time um with various uh different"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:35", "text": "churches and denominations. Um and some"}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "of those were Pentecostal."}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:39", "text": "Uh and Pentecostals are so interesting."}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:42", "text": "Uh and I remember specifically I was at"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:45", "text": "a friend's house. Um and um these the"}, {"start": "01:47:42", "end": "01:47:47", "text": "individuals were very devout and they"}, {"start": "01:47:45", "end": "01:47:49", "text": "picked up the baby that was crying and"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:53", "text": "they literally did a prayer over the"}, {"start": "01:47:49", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "baby to exercise the gas demon from the"}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:55", "text": "baby's tummy. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:47:56", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:47:55", "end": "01:47:59", "text": ">> did they mean that?"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:48:00", "text": ">> No. Yeah. No. No. Yes. They were very"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "they were very serious. And at the time"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "I was I was very devout too. But I mean"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "even I I was I was a Methodist. So you"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:09", "text": "know I was like okay [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:11", "text": "um you know I did spend some time with"}, {"start": "01:48:09", "end": "01:48:13", "text": "Pentecostals. I saw some very awesome"}, {"start": "01:48:11", "end": "01:48:16", "text": "instances of glossalia right where the"}, {"start": "01:48:13", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "speaking in tongues occurred. Um, I've I"}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:20", "text": "even saw in those Pentecostal churches,"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:22", "text": "uh, people, you know, taken over by the"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "spirit, slain in the spirit, where, you"}, {"start": "01:48:22", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "know, the the preacher would be like,"}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:27", "text": "\"And the spirit is upon you.\" And they"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:29", "text": "would flop over and roll around and"}, {"start": "01:48:27", "end": "01:48:31", "text": "laugh and and, you know, bubbles in"}, {"start": "01:48:29", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "their stomach. Um, and in fact, I even"}, {"start": "01:48:31", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "had an episode now looking back on it,"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:37", "text": "I'm like, \"Wow, that was some just"}, {"start": "01:48:36", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "interesting suggestion, persuasion"}, {"start": "01:48:37", "end": "01:48:41", "text": "effects.\" Um, but I actually had an"}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "episode back in those days where the the"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:44", "text": "preacher hit me and I'm like, \"Huh?"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "What? Whoa."}, {"start": "01:48:44", "end": "01:48:46", "text": ">> And it worked."}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:47", "text": ">> Uh, it did."}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:50", "text": ">> What's happening there?"}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:54", "text": ">> Um, if I remember the sensation, um, it"}, {"start": "01:48:50", "end": "01:48:56", "text": "it really did create uh some some some"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "moderate psychosmatic symptoms. I I felt"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:02", "text": "very kind of light-hearted and kind of"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "bubbly. I I felt strange, almost tingly"}, {"start": "01:49:02", "end": "01:49:06", "text": "uh, for a minute or two. Uh, and then I"}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:08", "text": "came out of it. Um, but I do remember"}, {"start": "01:49:06", "end": "01:49:10", "text": "being kind of ambushed. I I I like I I"}, {"start": "01:49:08", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "think I ended up going up. I mean, this"}, {"start": "01:49:10", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "is this is several decades ago. Um, and"}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:17", "text": "of course, you know, the preacher hit."}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "Um, by the way, for the record, in"}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:20", "text": "college classes down the road, I would"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:21", "text": "use this in terms of suggestion hypnosis"}, {"start": "01:49:20", "end": "01:49:23", "text": "responses, right? And I"}, {"start": "01:49:21", "end": "01:49:26", "text": ">> Well, I was going to ask um um do you"}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "need to be suggestible for that to work?"}, {"start": "01:49:26", "end": "01:49:29", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:31", "text": ">> like if I don't believe that's like I"}, {"start": "01:49:29", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "kind of don't believe he can do that."}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:33", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:34", "text": ">> I kind of think you did that."}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:34", "text": ">> So, if we move into the psychology of"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:35", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:36", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:49:35", "end": "01:49:38", "text": ">> Um, and and on"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:40", "text": ">> Well, let's wrap up the baby demon. How"}, {"start": "01:49:38", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "do we solve the baby gas demon?"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:45", "text": ">> Oh, they actually uh praised God after"}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:45", "text": "the baby farted or belched. I can't"}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "remember which."}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:47", "text": ">> And demon was expelled"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:49", "text": ">> evidently. Yes."}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:49", "text": ">> Okay. Well, there's some parenting"}, {"start": "01:49:49", "end": "01:49:51", "text": "advice."}, {"start": "01:49:49", "end": "01:49:53", "text": ">> Yeah. So,"}, {"start": "01:49:51", "end": "01:49:53", "text": ">> when when intestinal distress gets bad,"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:57", "text": ">> it's just it's just a demon"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:49:59", "text": ">> and just fart and you're fine."}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": ">> I need a young priest and an old priest."}, {"start": "01:49:59", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:04", "text": "but no, you're um now you're talking"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "about hypnosis."}, {"start": "01:50:04", "end": "01:50:07", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:09", "text": ">> Right. Uh a conscious suggestability. Um"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:11", "text": "and of course you know the funny thing"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "is with production and television it's"}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "it's not like those effects aren't used"}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:16", "text": "in various ways uh to create various"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:16", "text": "effects."}, {"start": "01:50:16", "end": "01:50:18", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:50:16", "end": "01:50:23", "text": ">> Um but suggestion is insanely powerful."}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:25", "text": "Now the official you know the official"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:29", "text": "data suggests that maybe about 10% of"}, {"start": "01:50:25", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "the population is fully suggestible. So"}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:33", "text": "in other words, you know, I can run"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:36", "text": "routines and in fact, I used to have a"}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "hypnosis class in psychology where we"}, {"start": "01:50:36", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "would for, you know, poop and giggles, I"}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:43", "text": "would do conscious suggestion effects."}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:45", "text": "Um, and and we'd even do exercises. Um,"}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "we do the balloon or the the the balloon"}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "exercise. Your left your left hand has a"}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "balloon tied to it. Your right eye. Um,"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:52", "text": ">> we've all been to those shows. I've been"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "to one here in Vegas and one of my"}, {"start": "01:50:52", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "friends, she went up there and was"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "clucking like a chicken."}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:50:57", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:50:59", "text": ">> And she swears that she didn't wasn't"}, {"start": "01:50:57", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "playing along. She actually did that. I"}, {"start": "01:50:59", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "like come on."}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:06", "text": ">> Yeah. No, no. Um it it is real. Um I I"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "did that uh I stopped doing that class"}, {"start": "01:51:06", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "after a while because I one person went"}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "fully under"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:12", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:14", "text": ">> just from a suggestion exercise like um"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "I would do mild induction just to see if"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "they were suggestible and that student"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:21", "text": "went completely under and blacked out"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "for like five minutes. Um and I'm like"}, {"start": "01:51:21", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "okay time to stop."}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:27", "text": ">> I mean no harm, no foul. She was fine."}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:30", "text": "Nothing inappropriate. Got her out. No,"}, {"start": "01:51:27", "end": "01:51:33", "text": "no side effects. Yay. Right. Um, but no,"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:34", "text": "uh, you can do with I used to use the"}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "balloon exercise, balloon brick exercise"}, {"start": "01:51:34", "end": "01:51:38", "text": "with hands, um, with deep breathing. I"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "turn off the lights and everything else,"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "uh, to see who was suggestable and then"}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:43", "text": "I'd say, you know, are there students"}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:45", "text": "who are willing to go further with this?"}, {"start": "01:51:43", "end": "01:51:46", "text": "Um, and I'd do the whole you can't pull"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:46", "text": "your hands apart."}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:49", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:51", "text": ">> Um, and it's not hard with a person that"}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:53", "text": "has a mild degree of suggestability and"}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:55", "text": "of course, no doubt the being an"}, {"start": "01:51:53", "end": "01:51:56", "text": "authority figure as a professor adds to"}, {"start": "01:51:55", "end": "01:51:57", "text": "it, right? [clears throat] So there's"}, {"start": "01:51:56", "end": "01:51:59", "text": "all these components. A lot of that has"}, {"start": "01:51:57", "end": "01:51:59", "text": "to do with belief."}, {"start": "01:51:59", "end": "01:52:01", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:51:59", "end": "01:52:02", "text": ">> what what makes someone suggestible? Is"}, {"start": "01:52:01", "end": "01:52:04", "text": "it physiological?"}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:06", "text": ">> I don't believe they actually know."}, {"start": "01:52:04", "end": "01:52:07", "text": ">> Is it does it have to do with"}, {"start": "01:52:06", "end": "01:52:09", "text": "intelligence?"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:09", "text": ">> I don't think that would be the case"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:10", "text": "either"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:12", "text": ">> really."}, {"start": "01:52:10", "end": "01:52:15", "text": ">> Um now again this is me talking outside"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:17", "text": "my area of expertise. Um but to my"}, {"start": "01:52:15", "end": "01:52:18", "text": "knowledge they've never really done a"}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:21", "text": "whole lot of neurological coralates or"}, {"start": "01:52:18", "end": "01:52:24", "text": "physiological correlates with hypnosis"}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "which you know notably as a side note is"}, {"start": "01:52:24", "end": "01:52:26", "text": "pretty much an occult technique. They"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:27", "text": "ripped from"}, {"start": "01:52:26", "end": "01:52:29", "text": ">> Sure it is."}, {"start": "01:52:27", "end": "01:52:31", "text": ">> Ripped from, you know, esotericism. Um,"}, {"start": "01:52:29", "end": "01:52:33", "text": "and then slapped a label on it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:52:31", "end": "01:52:35", "text": ">> I bet the military has studied this."}, {"start": "01:52:33", "end": "01:52:36", "text": ">> Oh, I'm sure they have. And, and that's"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "one thing I'm discovering the more I try"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:40", "text": "to dig around on data. That's"}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:42", "text": "proprietary. I'm like, son of a buck. I"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:44", "text": "have, you know, I have a feeling a lot"}, {"start": "01:52:42", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "of social, psychological, and odd"}, {"start": "01:52:44", "end": "01:52:48", "text": "effects are sitting either in the"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "military or a corporation or a marketing"}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:51", "text": "firm, and we're never going to see that"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:51", "text": "data."}, {"start": "01:52:51", "end": "01:52:53", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:52:51", "end": "01:52:56", "text": ">> Um, which makes me sad because I really"}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:52:58", "text": "want to see that data. Um but you know"}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "they did it. They have rights to it. But"}, {"start": "01:52:58", "end": "01:53:02", "text": "no I there is and of course you know"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:04", "text": "that also raises the question to what"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:07", "text": "extent you're like oh well you're just"}, {"start": "01:53:04", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "consciously affect sub subfacial cues"}, {"start": "01:53:07", "end": "01:53:11", "text": "and your actions are causing I'm like is"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "it you know I I have questions about"}, {"start": "01:53:11", "end": "01:53:16", "text": "contagion effects. Is there possibly"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:17", "text": "sigh going on in a contagion effect?"}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:19", "text": "Because when you look at the way it's"}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:22", "text": "measured, same thing with suggestability"}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:24", "text": "and hypnosis. You're you can't explain"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:26", "text": "the mechanism."}, {"start": "01:53:24", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "You're looking at person A trying to"}, {"start": "01:53:26", "end": "01:53:31", "text": "influence person B and then you observe"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "the effects of person B, but it is very"}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:35", "text": "unclear in any objective sense what is"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "going on in between there."}, {"start": "01:53:35", "end": "01:53:38", "text": ">> We don't have any brain scans of someone"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:40", "text": "who's under. We do."}, {"start": "01:53:38", "end": "01:53:41", "text": ">> Uh no, no, because and this is this is"}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:43", "text": ">> why not?"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:44", "text": ">> Well, but okay,"}, {"start": "01:53:43", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "you're making me talk way outside my"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "field. So, um I'm I'm do that for a"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:48", "text": "living."}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:51", "text": ">> Yeah, the comment section is going to be"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:54", "text": "unpleasant. Nobody"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:56", "text": ">> here to my knowledge. Um and actually I"}, {"start": "01:53:54", "end": "01:53:59", "text": "I feel fairly confident about this"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:02", "text": ">> technology in terms of neuronal"}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:03", "text": "structure, right? What can we actually"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "do in terms of measuring the brain?"}, {"start": "01:54:03", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "They're still using EEGs and EKGs and"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "maybe MRIs, but there's only so much you"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "can do with a person in a $2 million"}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "donut."}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:13", "text": ">> Right. True."}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:13", "text": ">> And it's only so fast."}, {"start": "01:54:13", "end": "01:54:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:54:13", "end": "01:54:17", "text": ">> Right. um offhand I can't I can't"}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:20", "text": "remember how many times a neuron a"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:21", "text": "neuron fires per second right if if you"}, {"start": "01:54:20", "end": "01:54:23", "text": "want to get at the you know the hard"}, {"start": "01:54:21", "end": "01:54:25", "text": "problem of consciousness you want to get"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "at all this stuff then you're going to"}, {"start": "01:54:25", "end": "01:54:29", "text": "have to have technology that not only"}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "fits on your helmet but it measures at a"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:33", "text": "resolution and a frequency so much"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:35", "text": "beyond what we're currently doing unless"}, {"start": "01:54:33", "end": "01:54:36", "text": "the military or the grays have it"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:54:36", "end": "01:54:42", "text": "there is because who the hell knows um"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:43", "text": "you know you're gonna you have to have a"}, {"start": "01:54:42", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "resolution of technology that we're not"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:48", "text": "getting close to. Um, and I respect I"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:50", "text": "I'm not saying that that brain chemistry"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "functions or that neuroscience is"}, {"start": "01:54:50", "end": "01:54:55", "text": "incorrect. I'm just owning that the"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "technology in terms of what we can"}, {"start": "01:54:55", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "really claim about it, which essentially"}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "still relates to this area lights up and"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "this area lights up,"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:03", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:05", "text": ">> Now, what's going on in those areas,"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "right, it's on or it's off."}, {"start": "01:55:05", "end": "01:55:08", "text": ">> There's still a bunch of"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:10", "text": "neurotransmitters. They have no clue"}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:10", "text": "about what they do. So, and I'm not"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:13", "text": "saying it's [clears throat] not a noble"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "field. It's a good field. I I think the"}, {"start": "01:55:13", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "claims that get made about we've proven"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "that the brain I'm like"}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:19", "text": ">> have you"}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:21", "text": ">> Yeah. It's like you you found evidence"}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:22", "text": "that supports a theory to a certain"}, {"start": "01:55:21", "end": "01:55:23", "text": "percentage extent. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:24", "text": ">> Which is a true and fair statement."}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:25", "text": ">> It is."}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:25", "text": ">> Um but"}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:28", "text": ">> that's good research,"}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:29", "text": ">> but it's not you know again I keep"}, {"start": "01:55:28", "end": "01:55:31", "text": "coming back to this theme. There's a"}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "whole lot of stuff that we haven't dug"}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:37", "text": "into sufficiently um to I would say"}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "merit some of the claims that get made."}, {"start": "01:55:37", "end": "01:55:40", "text": "uh particularly when it comes to this"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "idea of materialism and the brain is"}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "consciousness. I I don't think we're"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:47", "text": "nowhere close to that. Um in in fact"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "I've I've made some people angry and I'm"}, {"start": "01:55:47", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "sure there's some that would disagree."}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:51", "text": "They're like, \"Well, this proves the"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:52", "text": "brain causes.\" I'm like, \"Well, unless"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:54", "text": "it's a receiver.\""}, {"start": "01:55:52", "end": "01:55:56", "text": ">> What do you think? Is it a receiver?"}, {"start": "01:55:54", "end": "01:55:58", "text": ">> I personally, not being an expert, think"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "it's a cloud model."}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:01", "text": ">> So, so universal consciousness and we're"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:04", "text": "at a terminal."}, {"start": "01:56:01", "end": "01:56:06", "text": ">> Um well, yeah. Uh very similar to, you"}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "know, if you use Google products, right?"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "If you use Google Sheets, Google, right,"}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "there's a little bit of software that's"}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "in your browser."}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:12", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:15", "text": ">> And then there's a lot of processing"}, {"start": "01:56:12", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "going on somewhere else. Um, and and"}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:19", "text": "I've seen some theorists suggest that"}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "that some quantum behavior is now"}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "possible in the brain. Like there's they"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "before they were saying that um it's"}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "just too hot and liquidy in there."}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:27", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:29", "text": ">> For that I think the new research is"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:32", "text": "suggesting or at least the theorists are"}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:34", "text": "suggesting like oh contront"}, {"start": "01:56:32", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "again outside my expertise level. So,"}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:38", "text": ">> no quantum processing in warm wet"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:38", "text": "animals has been proven that that's a"}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:40", "text": "fact."}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> Um, but if if I was going to put money"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "on something, I would say I I think more"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "of a cloud model. Um, I I think uh"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "there's some processing I think that's"}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:50", "text": "going on, but I do believe in a soul."}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:54", "text": "So, you know,"}, {"start": "01:56:50", "end": "01:56:54", "text": ">> and an individual unique soul."}, {"start": "01:56:56", "end": "01:56:59", "text": ">> Yes. But I've been influenced by like"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "Dion Fortune and some other thinkers who"}, {"start": "01:56:59", "end": "01:57:02", "text": "are like, \"Well, you kind of shed part"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "of the personality and there's like a"}, {"start": "01:57:02", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "core component that goes up.\" Um, I'm"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:09", "text": "not saying I I buy into that. Like I'm"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:10", "text": "not saying like like that's it, but I'm"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:10", "text": "like, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "01:57:10", "end": "01:57:14", "text": ">> I lean there"}, {"start": "01:57:10", "end": "01:57:15", "text": ">> maybe.\" Yeah. Um, you know, fitting in"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "reincarnation and all this other stuff"}, {"start": "01:57:15", "end": "01:57:20", "text": "into a universal model. I Good luck."}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:22", "text": "[laughter] It's"}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:24", "text": ">> I kind of feel like we log out. We take"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:24", "text": "our whatever we learned back to wherever"}, {"start": "01:57:24", "end": "01:57:25", "text": "we go."}, {"start": "01:57:24", "end": "01:57:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:57:25", "end": "01:57:29", "text": ">> Your soul group. whatever says, \"How was"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "it?\" You go, \"It was okay. Let's try it"}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "again.\" And you come back and you do it"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "again."}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:34", "text": ">> I will say, since I'm I'm giving"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:37", "text": "controversial opinions today,"}, {"start": "01:57:34", "end": "01:57:40", "text": ">> um I do get nervous of the spiritual"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "messages that conveniently"}, {"start": "01:57:40", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "um only reflect moral values that we"}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:45", "text": "only gave a crap about for the last 50"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "years."}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:48", "text": ">> Like what?"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:50", "text": ">> Well, you know, if if aliens or medium"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:52", "text": "spirits come down and they're like, \"You"}, {"start": "01:57:50", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "must care about the environment."}, {"start": "01:57:52", "end": "01:57:56", "text": "the environment is, you know, it's like,"}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:59", "text": "okay, so no deep spiritual truths, no"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:02", "text": "like be nice to one another. We all need"}, {"start": "01:57:59", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "to hug and recycle. I'm like, no, not so"}, {"start": "01:58:02", "end": "01:58:07", "text": "much. Um, and I only say that because as"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:09", "text": "a social psychologist, I'm like, how is"}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:11", "text": "this not just a reflection of current"}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:14", "text": "social values manifesting, right? Yes."}, {"start": "01:58:11", "end": "01:58:15", "text": ">> Um, now you start to show me accounts"}, {"start": "01:58:14", "end": "01:58:17", "text": "where people are showing me sort of like"}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "kind of deep and sustaining moral"}, {"start": "01:58:17", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "tendencies or belief. I I might tend to"}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "take that more seriously. Um, but I I"}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "tend I tend to get suspicious as soon as"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:31", "text": "I hear a trendy moral response out of a"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "uh person that's you know either"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "channeled a UFO or had a UFO experience"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "or had um you know or medium mediumship"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "sort of of of responses. Uh but that's"}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:44", "text": "my bias. I I I think that seems to be"}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "more of well I'll reframe. We're dirty"}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:49", "text": "test tubes. It's obvious we're dirty"}, {"start": "01:58:46", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "test tubes. And so I I think if you"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:53", "text": "wanted to go into like a metaphysics"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "model or a spiritual model um there's"}, {"start": "01:58:53", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "the idea that we can have this"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:59:02", "text": "divine pure right you know channel uh"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "come down but because we are dirty test"}, {"start": "01:59:02", "end": "01:59:05", "text": "tubes and that's not even an opinion"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "right we know that we don't perceive"}, {"start": "01:59:05", "end": "01:59:08", "text": "everything around us accurately we know"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "you know I can't know what's going on in"}, {"start": "01:59:08", "end": "01:59:12", "text": "your head we have to use language"}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:14", "text": "symbolically we've got limits we have"}, {"start": "01:59:12", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "our belief systems our culture right"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:17", "text": "that shapes how we're going to interpret"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "this"}, {"start": "01:59:17", "end": "01:59:21", "text": "Um, I think it's difficult to assume"}, {"start": "01:59:19", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "that a person is ever getting a pure"}, {"start": "01:59:21", "end": "01:59:25", "text": "message."}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "Uh, personal take, but I mean there's a"}, {"start": "01:59:25", "end": "01:59:28", "text": "fair amount of good philosophy and"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:29", "text": "evidence that would support that claim."}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:31", "text": ">> There is."}, {"start": "01:59:29", "end": "01:59:34", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, I'm not sure what to make"}, {"start": "01:59:31", "end": "01:59:36", "text": "of of the modern revelations over the"}, {"start": "01:59:34", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "last hundred years. Um, I'm not saying"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:39", "text": "there's not some legitimate cases, and I"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "certainly wouldn't debunk all of them as"}, {"start": "01:59:39", "end": "01:59:45", "text": "not paranormal or not having some sort"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:46", "text": "of quote unquote truthiness to them. Um,"}, {"start": "01:59:45", "end": "01:59:49", "text": "but my general rule with all this stuff"}, {"start": "01:59:46", "end": "01:59:52", "text": "is we should critique ourselves. You"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:54", "text": "know, the difference between a Jim Jones"}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:56", "text": "cultist and someone that is is"}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "01:59:59", "text": "spiritually seeking is their ability to"}, {"start": "01:59:56", "end": "02:00:03", "text": "look inside themselves, be"}, {"start": "01:59:59", "end": "02:00:06", "text": "introspective, and go, hm, this might"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "not be a good idea. Uh, in in fact, if"}, {"start": "02:00:06", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "you go back to magical practice, one of"}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:12", "text": "the, you know, one of the things the"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "Victorians consistently said is, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:16", "text": "get into therapy."}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "Go get you some therapy.\" In fact, the"}, {"start": "02:00:16", "end": "02:00:19", "text": "golden dawn, not that it's the end- all"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "beall, but they're like, \"At some point,"}, {"start": "02:00:19", "end": "02:00:23", "text": "you need to go see a psychotherapist.\""}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "And and I think the reason for that was"}, {"start": "02:00:23", "end": "02:00:27", "text": "very clear-cut. You need to be able to"}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "go, you know, if we accept that people"}, {"start": "02:00:27", "end": "02:00:31", "text": "are getting spiritual messages or"}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:33", "text": "messages in general, but let's be clear,"}, {"start": "02:00:31", "end": "02:00:35", "text": "these are internal to the mind, right?"}, {"start": "02:00:33", "end": "02:00:37", "text": "So these are some form of if you wanted"}, {"start": "02:00:35", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "to convert this completely outside of of"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "of spirituality and go let's just go"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "yian."}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:42", "text": ">> Let's accept that the unconscious can"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:42", "text": "split off."}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:44", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:46", "text": ">> And it can. We know that multiple"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "personality, right? So that's not a"}, {"start": "02:00:46", "end": "02:00:50", "text": "stretch. Um so let's say that you've uh"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:52", "text": "and I think that's a good part of of of"}, {"start": "02:00:50", "end": "02:00:55", "text": "magical practice which is you're getting"}, {"start": "02:00:52", "end": "02:00:58", "text": "these conversations or intuitions or"}, {"start": "02:00:55", "end": "02:01:00", "text": "information uh almost like a dialogue."}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "And you know, the rule of thumb is if"}, {"start": "02:01:00", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "it's telling you you're awesome, it's"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "probably bull crap."}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "Um, if and I think this is also why"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "people that move that can move into"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:16", "text": "mediumship or magical practice of any"}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:17", "text": "form, if they're not, and this isn't"}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:19", "text": "easy. I I want to be clear, this isn't"}, {"start": "02:01:17", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "an easy step to take. In fact, I think"}, {"start": "02:01:19", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "it's difficult."}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "If you can't develop the ability to"}, {"start": "02:01:24", "end": "02:01:29", "text": "critique yourself and your own internal"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:32", "text": "thought mechanisms,"}, {"start": "02:01:29", "end": "02:01:34", "text": "that stuff is dangerous. Um, you know,"}, {"start": "02:01:32", "end": "02:01:35", "text": "you will look at a lot of, you know,"}, {"start": "02:01:34", "end": "02:01:37", "text": "once you get past the grimoars into the"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:40", "text": "Victorian age, you will see a lot of"}, {"start": "02:01:37", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "people making claims going, \"This is not"}, {"start": "02:01:40", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "for everybody."}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:44", "text": ">> It's not.\""}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:45", "text": ">> And I don't think they were, I mean,"}, {"start": "02:01:44", "end": "02:01:47", "text": "yes, they were all rich, so it probably"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "was a little bit of elitism, but but"}, {"start": "02:01:47", "end": "02:01:50", "text": "aside from that, I I think there's an"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "underlying message, which is the case."}, {"start": "02:01:50", "end": "02:01:56", "text": "Not everyone is mentally prepared to dig"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "inside their psyche and go on a voyage"}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:02:00", "text": "and if there's a lot of denial in your"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "life, if there's, you know, if you"}, {"start": "02:02:00", "end": "02:02:04", "text": "haven't come to terms with the fact that"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "you can be an sometimes because"}, {"start": "02:02:04", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "a lot of people don't like that, right?"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:09", "text": "A lot of people don't, you know, and our"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:11", "text": "culture doesn't value that either. You"}, {"start": "02:02:09", "end": "02:02:13", "text": "know, everyone else is the bad guy, but"}, {"start": "02:02:11", "end": "02:02:16", "text": "not you, AJ. You're special, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:02:13", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "you know, and and every human being, you"}, {"start": "02:02:16", "end": "02:02:21", "text": "know, Yum, classic Yum and classic"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:23", "text": "Freud, right? Everybody has a dark side"}, {"start": "02:02:21", "end": "02:02:25", "text": "and you know and that's why particularly"}, {"start": "02:02:23", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "with Jung he was like you're not going"}, {"start": "02:02:25", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "to become enlightened individuated right"}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:32", "text": "until you embrace your shadow and what"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "was the shadow all the repressed crap"}, {"start": "02:02:32", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "you do that you don't want to earn or or"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:35", "text": "own"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:38", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "02:02:35", "end": "02:02:41", "text": ">> um you know so if you want to look at"}, {"start": "02:02:38", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "spiritual experiences as a just a yian"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "psychological journey I don't care uh"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "you know if it works who cares um"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "that is a serious journey And it does"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "have dangers and it requires a degree of"}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:59", "text": "honesty with the self that our culture"}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:03", "text": "doesn't um engender. Our cultural"}, {"start": "02:02:59", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "culture does not teach people to be"}, {"start": "02:03:03", "end": "02:03:05", "text": "selective and critical of their own"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:07", "text": "thought processes."}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:08", "text": ">> So let's say I'm not mentally prepared"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:09", "text": "to do it. I do it anyway. What could"}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:12", "text": "happen?"}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:14", "text": ">> I think you are going to end up in a"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:17", "text": "state of existential crisis. I think"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "depending on genetic proclivity and the"}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "degree to which you are in a state of"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "denial, you may end up in a breakdown"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "state. I think it might facilitate"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:27", "text": "anxiety. I I think"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:29", "text": ">> so don't mess with this. So is this why"}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:31", "text": "Golden Dawn says see a therapist because"}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:33", "text": "we need to rule out everything else."}, {"start": "02:03:31", "end": "02:03:36", "text": ">> Yeah. I wouldn't even say rule out. I"}, {"start": "02:03:33", "end": "02:03:37", "text": "think it's more of you know"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "the magicians in those days they're like"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "the left-hand path and the right hand"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:42", "text": "path. I just do it for spiritual"}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "enlightenment. Like oo practical magic"}, {"start": "02:03:42", "end": "02:03:47", "text": "is dirty. I'm like, \"Yeah, okay,"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "whatever.\" But the truth is,"}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:51", "text": "um, you are messing with your own mind"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:53", "text": "in this process. Whether you want to"}, {"start": "02:03:51", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "accept you, whether you want to accept"}, {"start": "02:03:53", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "the spiritual component of or not, you"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:01", "text": "are still internally going into the"}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "imaginal state into your own internal"}, {"start": "02:04:01", "end": "02:04:06", "text": "thought processes and poking around at"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "things that we don't train people to"}, {"start": "02:04:06", "end": "02:04:10", "text": "poke around at. And yes,"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:12", "text": ">> and this doesn't need to be"}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:14", "text": "parasychological at all. No,"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:14", "text": ">> this is just you messing with your own"}, {"start": "02:04:14", "end": "02:04:17", "text": "ad."}, {"start": "02:04:14", "end": "02:04:19", "text": ">> No. And I've had volunteers back in the"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:22", "text": "day who frankly just were not a fit to"}, {"start": "02:04:19", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "do investigations. Um I remember there"}, {"start": "02:04:22", "end": "02:04:26", "text": "was a minister who joined for a little"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:27", "text": "while and the phenomena didn't match the"}, {"start": "02:04:26", "end": "02:04:29", "text": "belief system and it was causing crisis"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "and he got out."}, {"start": "02:04:29", "end": "02:04:33", "text": ">> My guess would be people that are highly"}, {"start": "02:04:31", "end": "02:04:34", "text": "suggestible would not be good on an"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:37", "text": "investigation."}, {"start": "02:04:34", "end": "02:04:38", "text": ">> As subjects"}, {"start": "02:04:37", "end": "02:04:39", "text": ">> as subjects they're good."}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:40", "text": ">> Yes. But no in terms of their mental"}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:43", "text": "health. No."}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:44", "text": ">> No. Um and and I've we've we've had a"}, {"start": "02:04:43", "end": "02:04:48", "text": "couple of situations over the years"}, {"start": "02:04:44", "end": "02:04:50", "text": "where it that has gone very very south."}, {"start": "02:04:48", "end": "02:04:51", "text": "Um so"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:53", "text": ">> do you want to tell us one of those"}, {"start": "02:04:51", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "stories or no?"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:59", "text": ">> Okay. Well, drink your coffee."}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:02", "text": ">> Mental courage."}, {"start": "02:04:59", "end": "02:05:07", "text": ">> I'll have some nicotine. We're"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:07", "text": ">> buckle buckle up. Um, so the reason"}, {"start": "02:05:07", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "02:05:07", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "the reason we stopped doing"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "investigations"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:11", "text": ">> Oh, you stopped."}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:12", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:16", "text": ">> Oh, boy. Okay."}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Is we had"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:20", "text": "what you can either call a dissociative"}, {"start": "02:05:18", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "fugue or amnesia or a full-blown"}, {"start": "02:05:20", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "possession."}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:26", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:27", "text": ">> this is associative fugue. So, you don't"}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:30", "text": "know what's going on at all."}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Blank out for for 30 to 45 minutes"}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:35", "text": "with radical change in behavior."}, {"start": "02:05:32", "end": "02:05:36", "text": "Um, and here's what's interesting. It"}, {"start": "02:05:35", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "happened to two different people on two"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "different occasions."}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "One went into"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:45", "text": "a fullblown,"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:47", "text": "if you know, again, I'm I'm sorry. I"}, {"start": "02:05:45", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "always whiffle waffle on terminology."}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "Um, one went into what would look like a"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "full-blown possession."}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:53", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:53", "text": ">> did this happen in the same place?"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:54", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:56", "text": ">> Same place."}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:58", "text": ">> Yep. And in fact,"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:05:59", "text": ">> same entity with two people."}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:02", "text": ">> Looks like it."}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:04", "text": ">> What? Um, and and this is where this is"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:05", "text": "where you just throw science out the"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:08", "text": "window and you're like, \"Well, this"}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "happened. Interpret it as you will.\" Um,"}, {"start": "02:06:08", "end": "02:06:11", "text": ">> is this the place where you said, \"I'm"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "not going anymore.\""}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:14", "text": ">> Yes. Um, and in fact, that place was so"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:16", "text": "bad, we called the owners and said, \"You"}, {"start": "02:06:14", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "need to not let people in here anymore.\""}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:20", "text": ">> What happened to those people who went"}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:23", "text": "into a fugue state?"}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:24", "text": ">> So, okay, we did four investigations of"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:26", "text": "that place over a period of about a year"}, {"start": "02:06:24", "end": "02:06:27", "text": "and a half. It was an abandoned rectory."}, {"start": "02:06:26", "end": "02:06:29", "text": "I think it's actually been on a couple"}, {"start": "02:06:27", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "of ghost hunting shows uh back in the"}, {"start": "02:06:29", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "day. Uh it's in Cincinnati. I think it"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "was called Saddam the Saddamsville"}, {"start": "02:06:34", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "rectory. Um it did produce uh knocking"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "and rapping. Uh it did produce really"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "loud weird noises. Um but I think it was"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "the second session or the second time we"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "were there. Uh my very good friend uh"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "and and we're still a great friend. She"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:57", "text": "helps me with the business. Um, I"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:58", "text": "remember sitting across from her and I"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:02", "text": "looked over and I know her really well"}, {"start": "02:06:58", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "and she got this look in her eyes"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:07", "text": "that said, \"I'm about to beat the living"}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:09", "text": "crap out of you.\" I mean, like it was"}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:10", "text": "just sthing anger. I know her really"}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "well."}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:14", "text": ">> Was this a switch or was this just"}, {"start": "02:07:12", "end": "02:07:15", "text": ">> just sitting there doing nothing, not"}, {"start": "02:07:14", "end": "02:07:17", "text": "talking to nothing and all of a sudden"}, {"start": "02:07:15", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "just this"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "and I'm like, did I do something wrong?"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:28", "text": "and she got up, walked out of the house,"}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:30", "text": "uh, with a 5B flashlight, which is why I"}, {"start": "02:07:28", "end": "02:07:31", "text": "was kind of being careful with her cuz"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:32", "text": "I'm like, that's brain damage if it"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:35", "text": "hits."}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:37", "text": ">> Um, and basically for about 10 minutes"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "was just roaming around in this state of"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:42", "text": "extreme rage and anger, half out of it,"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:44", "text": "half half in it. Uh, by the way,"}, {"start": "02:07:42", "end": "02:07:45", "text": "historically, psychologically, never saw"}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:49", "text": "that behavior out of that individual"}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:51", "text": "before. Um, not her nature. Um,"}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:53", "text": ">> what was she saying?"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:55", "text": ">> Uh, she didn't talk. If I remember"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:07:56", "text": "correctly, she was kind of gritting her"}, {"start": "02:07:55", "end": "02:07:58", "text": "teeth. Um,"}, {"start": "02:07:56", "end": "02:08:01", "text": ">> did she hit anything or do anything?"}, {"start": "02:07:58", "end": "02:08:03", "text": ">> No, she just was and it was uh outside."}, {"start": "02:08:01", "end": "02:08:05", "text": "It was cold that night, I believe. And"}, {"start": "02:08:03", "end": "02:08:07", "text": "after being away from the building in"}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:08", "text": "about 5 minutes, she basically said, \"I"}, {"start": "02:08:07", "end": "02:08:09", "text": "was going to murder you.\""}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:11", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:08:09", "end": "02:08:13", "text": ">> She's like, \"I felt Now, here's what's"}, {"start": "02:08:11", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "interesting. The owners of this this"}, {"start": "02:08:13", "end": "02:08:17", "text": "location were suffering from similar"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "problems. The marriage evidently, if I"}, {"start": "02:08:17", "end": "02:08:20", "text": "remember correctly, was in great degree"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:22", "text": "of discord because either the husband or"}, {"start": "02:08:20", "end": "02:08:23", "text": "the wife and I think it was the husband"}, {"start": "02:08:22", "end": "02:08:25", "text": "was going into these fits of"}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:27", "text": "uncontrolled rage."}, {"start": "02:08:25", "end": "02:08:29", "text": "Uh, and it was becoming a persistent"}, {"start": "02:08:27", "end": "02:08:30", "text": "issue. Um,"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:34", "text": ">> but only him"}, {"start": "02:08:30", "end": "02:08:36", "text": ">> if I remember correctly. Yes. Um, and"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "so, you know, and again, there was no"}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "there were no triggers to this"}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:42", "text": "whatsoever. There wasn't a conversation."}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:44", "text": "I I wasn't poking her. The other team"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:46", "text": "wasn't insulting. Like in other words,"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:48", "text": "there was quiets. We were doing our"}, {"start": "02:08:46", "end": "02:08:51", "text": "shift in those days um to minimize"}, {"start": "02:08:48", "end": "02:08:53", "text": "interference. I was like, \"Look, we"}, {"start": "02:08:51", "end": "02:08:55", "text": "don't roam around.\" Okay? We set up our"}, {"start": "02:08:53", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "hot spot areas. You pick the spot, sit"}, {"start": "02:08:55", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "your butt down. Yep."}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:08:59", "text": ">> And that's where you're going to be. If"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "you're going to get up, great. But say,"}, {"start": "02:08:59", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "\"Hey, I'm leaving this area for the auto"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "recorder and then, you know, go to the"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:06", "text": "new area and then sit down. Let's not"}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "make shuffling noises. Let's not make"}, {"start": "02:09:06", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "Right. Let's minimize contamination as"}, {"start": "02:09:08", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "much as possible.\""}, {"start": "02:09:08", "end": "02:09:14", "text": ">> Yes. Um, and so yeah, uh, for about I"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:15", "text": "think it was about a duration of 15 or"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "20 minutes."}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:20", "text": ">> That's a long time to be in that state."}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "I mean, you have to be when do you start"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:23", "text": "to panic? Like, is she ever going to be"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:24", "text": "okay again?"}, {"start": "02:09:23", "end": "02:09:27", "text": ">> Well, that I wasn't worried on that one."}, {"start": "02:09:24", "end": "02:09:29", "text": "It's the next one that scared us. Um,"}, {"start": "02:09:27", "end": "02:09:31", "text": "because she did come out and then yeah,"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "basically, you know, long story short,"}, {"start": "02:09:31", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "was like, I really felt like murdering"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:34", "text": "you."}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:35", "text": ">> So, she wasn't fully disassociated. She"}, {"start": "02:09:34", "end": "02:09:38", "text": "was"}, {"start": "02:09:35", "end": "02:09:39", "text": ">> No, but she was somewhat disassociated."}, {"start": "02:09:38", "end": "02:09:41", "text": "So she she said she felt kind of"}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "detached and that she wasn't herself. Um"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "and that getting out of the house"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:52", "text": "helped. Um so moved forward and we had"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "another member uh who was perfectly fine"}, {"start": "02:09:52", "end": "02:09:56", "text": "going up the stairs. I'm going to do"}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:59", "text": "this. I'm going to do that. And then"}, {"start": "02:09:56", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "they went into a full dissociative state"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "except at this point um same anger in"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:08", "text": "the eyes uh except and this is"}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:10", "text": "completely personal something else"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "appeared seemed to me to be there like"}, {"start": "02:10:10", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "my intuition went off bad on this one. I"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:18", "text": "was like okay"}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:20", "text": ">> so you weren't questioning did I do"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "something you saw you recognize this?"}, {"start": "02:10:20", "end": "02:10:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And and and if I remember"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "correctly I still have these tapes and"}, {"start": "02:10:23", "end": "02:10:25", "text": "I'm almost afraid to go through them."}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:10:25", "end": "02:10:28", "text": ">> well, we need to see them."}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:29", "text": ">> I need to Well, this was mostly audio. I"}, {"start": "02:10:28", "end": "02:10:32", "text": "don't think we caught a whole lot of it"}, {"start": "02:10:29", "end": "02:10:35", "text": "on camera because here's what went down."}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:37", "text": "This person started behaving completely"}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:39", "text": "opposite"}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:41", "text": "to their nature. Um,"}, {"start": "02:10:39", "end": "02:10:44", "text": ">> this is [snorts] an old directory."}, {"start": "02:10:41", "end": "02:10:47", "text": ">> Yes. And at that point,"}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:49", "text": "uh, I actually went and I never did this"}, {"start": "02:10:47", "end": "02:10:52", "text": "in the group. I I kept it scientific,"}, {"start": "02:10:49", "end": "02:10:55", "text": "but at this point I'm like"}, {"start": "02:10:52", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "and you know kind of growling, angry. Um"}, {"start": "02:10:55", "end": "02:10:58", "text": "at the time I had uh I still have leg"}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "issues, but at the time I had to use"}, {"start": "02:10:58", "end": "02:11:03", "text": "cane cuz I I blew out my hip and my leg"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:06", "text": "a little bit. So I tried to actually"}, {"start": "02:11:03", "end": "02:11:08", "text": "kick my leg out from underneath me. Um"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "and was proud of it. Was like, I'm going"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:13", "text": "to kick your leg out. All right. Um, so"}, {"start": "02:11:11", "end": "02:11:15", "text": "interestingly enough,"}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:18", "text": "because we had had this episode before,"}, {"start": "02:11:15", "end": "02:11:20", "text": "I actually took the time to make uh holy"}, {"start": "02:11:18", "end": "02:11:24", "text": "water, lack of better words, old school"}, {"start": "02:11:20", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "with salt in it, right? Um, so I"}, {"start": "02:11:24", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "actually made a circle around her and uh"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "it took her five minutes to get out of"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "it. A"}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:36", "text": ">> holy water circle."}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:38", "text": ">> Couple invocations made a circle. I'm"}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "like because I was like this might be"}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "serious. So I I took it as kind of"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:46", "text": "serious and um so yeah, I made a circle"}, {"start": "02:11:44", "end": "02:11:47", "text": "and she struggled with it for about"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:49", "text": "three to five minutes and when she got"}, {"start": "02:11:47", "end": "02:11:51", "text": "out she was proud."}, {"start": "02:11:49", "end": "02:11:52", "text": ">> She said she said I broke your circle."}, {"start": "02:11:51", "end": "02:11:55", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:57", "text": ">> And I was like and I you know me being a"}, {"start": "02:11:55", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "cocky bastard like I'll just make"}, {"start": "02:11:57", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "another. But [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:02", "text": "there was but it was I was dealing with"}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "a different person. Now whether you want"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:05", "text": "to call that uh you know dissociative"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:06", "text": "identity, whether you want to call that,"}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:07", "text": "you know, some sort of psychological"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "condition, I'd end up by the way"}, {"start": "02:12:07", "end": "02:12:12", "text": "consulting some other PhD clinical"}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:13", "text": "psychologists to be like, \"What was"}, {"start": "02:12:12", "end": "02:12:14", "text": "this?\" And the one guy, one guy in"}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:16", "text": "particular was like, \"Yeah, it was a"}, {"start": "02:12:14", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "possession.\" I'm like, \"Well, that"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:20", "text": "doesn't help.\" Um [laughter] but um but"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:23", "text": "we at that point it it went from a"}, {"start": "02:12:20", "end": "02:12:25", "text": "scientific investigation to a we may"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "have a possession on our hands. What the"}, {"start": "02:12:25", "end": "02:12:29", "text": "hell are we going to do here? And so"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:31", "text": "this individual, we finally got them"}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:32", "text": "outside. They were physically resistant."}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:34", "text": ">> Physically resistant."}, {"start": "02:12:32", "end": "02:12:36", "text": ">> Yeah. So they were they were combative."}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:39", "text": "Um one of the members there who had just"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:41", "text": "come with us started asking some"}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:42", "text": "questions in Latin to which she was"}, {"start": "02:12:41", "end": "02:12:43", "text": "responding correctly even though she"}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:44", "text": "didn't have a Latin background."}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:48", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:50", "text": ">> Um and uh interestingly there were some"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "reports uh and again you know you don't"}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "have to believe any I'm just telling you"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "the story. Um there were some members"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:58", "text": "that were claiming that they were"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "getting impressions from her even though"}, {"start": "02:12:58", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "they weren't in the same room. So there"}, {"start": "02:13:00", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "was a lot of weirdness going on and and"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "to this day um uh we're not entirely"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:10", "text": "sure. But at the end of the day she was"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:13", "text": "outside for about 30 40 minutes in 20"}, {"start": "02:13:10", "end": "02:13:15", "text": "30°ree weather. We were chasing after"}, {"start": "02:13:13", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "her. She remained violent. She remained"}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:21", "text": "obstinate. She was cussing. she was uh"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:23", "text": "and then finally with a fair amount of"}, {"start": "02:13:21", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "prayer and a cup of holy water on her"}, {"start": "02:13:23", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "head she snapped out of it. Um to which"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "she uh blacked out. She said she didn't"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:31", "text": "remember a thing."}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:36", "text": ">> She didn't remember any of this."}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:38", "text": ">> Nope. Now, interestingly, post hawk, um,"}, {"start": "02:13:36", "end": "02:13:40", "text": "she would find herself, if I remember"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "correctly, the stories correctly, she"}, {"start": "02:13:40", "end": "02:13:44", "text": "would find herself, uh, coming back to"}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:46", "text": "the website of the location and not"}, {"start": "02:13:44", "end": "02:13:49", "text": "notice that she had gone to the computer"}, {"start": "02:13:46", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "and pulled up the pictures and she would"}, {"start": "02:13:49", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "report feeling a longing to go back"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:53", "text": "there."}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:55", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:13:53", "end": "02:13:57", "text": ">> Um, so, you know,"}, {"start": "02:13:55", "end": "02:13:57", "text": ">> I don't know why that's bothers me, but"}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:00", "text": "it does."}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:02", "text": ">> It it lingered. Uh symptoms of that"}, {"start": "02:14:00", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "lingered for I want to say almost two to"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:07", "text": "three months. Um and I'll be honest with"}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "you at that point because up until that"}, {"start": "02:14:07", "end": "02:14:09", "text": "point I'm like I do science. Right."}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:11", "text": "Right."}, {"start": "02:14:09", "end": "02:14:13", "text": ">> Um and and you know and the members were"}, {"start": "02:14:11", "end": "02:14:15", "text": "aware I I I dabbled with some you know"}, {"start": "02:14:13", "end": "02:14:16", "text": "Tom Fullery so to speak. Uh but I I"}, {"start": "02:14:15", "end": "02:14:18", "text": "never went in that direction. Right. It"}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:20", "text": "was always we're here for the data. You"}, {"start": "02:14:18", "end": "02:14:23", "text": "know that turned into basically a"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:25", "text": "religious exorcism episode and it was so"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "disturbing to the members that we it"}, {"start": "02:14:25", "end": "02:14:29", "text": "just broke everybody up. Rumor has it"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:32", "text": "the one person that came with us as a"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:34", "text": "guest um"}, {"start": "02:14:32", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "never talked to us again and went to the"}, {"start": "02:14:34", "end": "02:14:37", "text": "priesthood. [laughter] So I I don't know"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "if that's really true, but that's that's"}, {"start": "02:14:37", "end": "02:14:45", "text": "that's the rumor. Um it fundamentally"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:48", "text": "shook the entire group to its core. Um"}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:50", "text": "and uh pretty much uh broke the"}, {"start": "02:14:48", "end": "02:14:52", "text": "investigation team up for quite a while."}, {"start": "02:14:50", "end": "02:14:53", "text": ">> Is that the only place that you said not"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:55", "text": "going back?"}, {"start": "02:14:53", "end": "02:14:57", "text": ">> Oh yeah. I mean I've I've seen you know"}, {"start": "02:14:55", "end": "02:14:58", "text": "a lot of that. So, it takes a lot to"}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:00", "text": "scare you off."}, {"start": "02:14:58", "end": "02:15:01", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and honestly, I"}, {"start": "02:15:00", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "could confront that again, but you know,"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:04", "text": "I I do have a sense of ethics, and I'm"}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "like, I'm not I I was not comfortable"}, {"start": "02:15:04", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "putting people at risk."}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:08", "text": ">> Well, that's really the thing. You could"}, {"start": "02:15:07", "end": "02:15:09", "text": "confront it, but if you're not the one"}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:10", "text": "chosen,"}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:11", "text": ">> I mean,"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:12", "text": ">> you put someone else in danger."}, {"start": "02:15:11", "end": "02:15:14", "text": ">> I mean, at the end of the day, I I was"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:15", "text": "the one that that tried to push it out,"}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:16", "text": "if you want to believe it, right? And"}, {"start": "02:15:15", "end": "02:15:17", "text": "and it worked. Yay. Wouldn't want to do"}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:18", "text": "it twice in one night."}, {"start": "02:15:17", "end": "02:15:21", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> Um and again, this is all personal. Uh"}, {"start": "02:15:21", "end": "02:15:25", "text": "certainly outside my realm as a"}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:28", "text": "scientist. Um but but no, the phenomena"}, {"start": "02:15:25", "end": "02:15:31", "text": "that occurred from that was uh"}, {"start": "02:15:28", "end": "02:15:33", "text": "uh mindboggling. Um and to this day, I"}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:34", "text": "mean um I'm not throwing shade on the"}, {"start": "02:15:33", "end": "02:15:36", "text": "person it happened to. I I can't prove"}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:39", "text": "that that wasn't a dissociative episode."}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:40", "text": "I can't prove uh she was prone to kind"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "of psychosmatic effects,"}, {"start": "02:15:40", "end": "02:15:42", "text": ">> okay?"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:45", "text": ">> Uh but this was certainly beyond her"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:47", "text": "normal mode of behavior. Uh and of"}, {"start": "02:15:45", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "course we we called them and said, \"You"}, {"start": "02:15:47", "end": "02:15:50", "text": "all need to get rid of this place. You"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:51", "text": "need to get rid of the furniture. You"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:53", "text": "need to not let people in here. It's"}, {"start": "02:15:51", "end": "02:15:55", "text": "dangerous.\" Do you think if they knocked"}, {"start": "02:15:53", "end": "02:15:55", "text": "that building down that the entity would"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:15:56", "text": "still be there?"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:15:58", "text": ">> My understanding is they did shut it"}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "down. Um, now I don't know if the"}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:01", "text": "building's still there."}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:02", "text": ">> I mean, knock that you gota I You got to"}, {"start": "02:16:01", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "knock it down."}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:05", "text": ">> I I would not disagree. And and probably"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:06", "text": "salt the earth."}, {"start": "02:16:05", "end": "02:16:07", "text": ">> Salt the earth."}, {"start": "02:16:06", "end": "02:16:11", "text": ">> From from the spiritual perspective, I'd"}, {"start": "02:16:07", "end": "02:16:15", "text": "say salt the earth and um cuz something"}, {"start": "02:16:11", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "something not nice is there. Um"}, {"start": "02:16:15", "end": "02:16:20", "text": "you know, the the funny thing is uh and"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:22", "text": "again, take this for what it's worth. Uh"}, {"start": "02:16:20", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "it was either the first one or the"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "second one. Um you know they looked at"}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:28", "text": "me at some point and they're like well"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:29", "text": "they really want you. And I'm just like"}, {"start": "02:16:28", "end": "02:16:30", "text": "okay. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:16:29", "end": "02:16:31", "text": "So"}, {"start": "02:16:30", "end": "02:16:34", "text": ">> okay that's enough."}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh so it it's uh and you know if"}, {"start": "02:16:34", "end": "02:16:37", "text": "if you want to frame for it uh acted"}, {"start": "02:16:36", "end": "02:16:39", "text": "like a demon."}, {"start": "02:16:37", "end": "02:16:43", "text": ">> Uh was it a demon? I don't know what"}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:44", "text": "what do you think? But um seemed to be a"}, {"start": "02:16:43", "end": "02:16:46", "text": "demon that very much fed on sexuality"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:49", "text": "and emotion. So if you were going to go"}, {"start": "02:16:46", "end": "02:16:53", "text": "uh kabalic classification the clip of"}, {"start": "02:16:49", "end": "02:16:56", "text": "corresponding with nituk so nature um if"}, {"start": "02:16:53", "end": "02:16:59", "text": "if you don't then you say dissociative"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:17:00", "text": "fugue or a brief psychotic episode but"}, {"start": "02:16:59", "end": "02:17:01", "text": "not necessarily history of that"}, {"start": "02:17:00", "end": "02:17:02", "text": ">> if you had no history of that then I"}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:04", "text": "don't buy that."}, {"start": "02:17:02", "end": "02:17:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Um you know and again I don't"}, {"start": "02:17:04", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "formally lean one way or another. I'm"}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:12", "text": "like, this was a very weird liinal thing"}, {"start": "02:17:08", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "that happened and um and it was"}, {"start": "02:17:12", "end": "02:17:16", "text": "sufficiently weird and disturbing enough"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:16", "text": "to to prevent us from from moving"}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:18", "text": "forward."}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:21", "text": ">> Yeah. How is she doing now?"}, {"start": "02:17:18", "end": "02:17:24", "text": ">> Not entirely clear. Uh it it caused it"}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "caused splits. So, um I very much hope"}, {"start": "02:17:24", "end": "02:17:30", "text": "they're well. Um but yeah, that was a"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "that was a bit of a bender."}, {"start": "02:17:30", "end": "02:17:34", "text": ">> Um I told you I'm I'm not really a"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:37", "text": "believer, but kind of, but not really,"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "but kind of. I had a night hag"}, {"start": "02:17:37", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "experience without knowing the lore of"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:41", "text": "that before."}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:41", "end": "02:17:47", "text": ">> I was maybe mid30s."}, {"start": "02:17:44", "end": "02:17:48", "text": "Happened on vacation at a kind of an old"}, {"start": "02:17:47", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "hotel."}, {"start": "02:17:48", "end": "02:17:54", "text": ">> And uh it was the scariest experience of"}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "my life before and since. And it felt"}, {"start": "02:17:54", "end": "02:18:00", "text": "very real like this old woman climbing"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:02", "text": "into bed. I pressed down. I it was there"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:04", "text": "was sexual violence. I've told I've said"}, {"start": "02:18:02", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "this story on on the channel so you"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:07", "text": "could find the whole thing in detail. I"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:09", "text": "couldn't go back in the room. My wife"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:12", "text": "had to pack us up. We had to leave the"}, {"start": "02:18:09", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "building and I'm not really a believer."}, {"start": "02:18:12", "end": "02:18:18", "text": "You did a lesson on Udemy on the night"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:18", "text": "hag. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:21", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. [snorts]"}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:22", "text": ">> What is going on with her?"}, {"start": "02:18:21", "end": "02:18:24", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:18:22", "end": "02:18:26", "text": "okay. Before I go into that, I'm going"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "to back up and make a general statement."}, {"start": "02:18:26", "end": "02:18:30", "text": "Um, which is, you [snorts] know, and we"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:32", "text": "we kind of touched this earlier. Well, I"}, {"start": "02:18:30", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "can explain this. Well, I was still"}, {"start": "02:18:32", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "terrified. Thanks. You know, like, so,"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:39", "text": "so there's a point where if it brings"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:40", "text": "comfort to explain it in scientific"}, {"start": "02:18:39", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "terms, you know, we're almost moving to"}, {"start": "02:18:40", "end": "02:18:43", "text": "a clinical psychology realm."}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:44", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:18:43", "end": "02:18:46", "text": ">> great."}, {"start": "02:18:44", "end": "02:18:48", "text": ">> I tell myself it's hypnogogic,"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:51", "text": ">> but it didn't feel like it, man. and and"}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "and you know in terms of the research of"}, {"start": "02:18:51", "end": "02:18:59", "text": "of of sleep paralysis/hypnogic"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "episodes um they're uh one overlapping"}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:05", "text": "and again not well defined you know"}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:07", "text": "they're they're they're case studies"}, {"start": "02:19:05", "end": "02:19:09", "text": "they're post hoc accounts uh again in"}, {"start": "02:19:07", "end": "02:19:11", "text": "terms of slapping an EEG I mean they"}, {"start": "02:19:09", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "have done EEG studies with with sleep"}, {"start": "02:19:11", "end": "02:19:14", "text": "paralysis um but when you get that"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "combination of the night hag and"}, {"start": "02:19:14", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "everything else um"}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:20", "text": ">> those accounts You can label them"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:22", "text": "scientifically. We can see a set of"}, {"start": "02:19:20", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "symptoms that are likely with sleep"}, {"start": "02:19:22", "end": "02:19:27", "text": "sleep paralysis in particular."}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:29", "text": ">> Why her? I wasn't I had no prime I"}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "wasn't primed for that at that time."}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:33", "text": ">> Well, were you um were you poking around"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:34", "text": "with anything ghost?"}, {"start": "02:19:33", "end": "02:19:35", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:19:34", "end": "02:19:37", "text": ">> Nope."}, {"start": "02:19:35", "end": "02:19:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:19:37", "end": "02:19:43", "text": "Um you know and again if we go beyond"}, {"start": "02:19:40", "end": "02:19:45", "text": "the you had a hypnogogic episode with"}, {"start": "02:19:43", "end": "02:19:47", "text": "sleep paralysis"}, {"start": "02:19:45", "end": "02:19:48", "text": "um and your mind created it. I mean, if"}, {"start": "02:19:47", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "you want to go a pure scientific"}, {"start": "02:19:48", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "explanation, maybe you watch some sort"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "of horror movie or film that"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "unconsciously embedded in your mind,"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:19:59", "text": "you know."}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:01", "text": ">> But the real question is why are we why"}, {"start": "02:19:59", "end": "02:20:03", "text": "is it this old woman that a lot of us"}, {"start": "02:20:01", "end": "02:20:05", "text": "see? I don't I don't watch horror"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:08", "text": "movies. I don't like horror movies. So,"}, {"start": "02:20:05", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "why do we see this? Why not an old man?"}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "Why not a a a red demon with a with"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:12", "text": "horns?"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:14", "text": ">> Well, I would Have you read Huffford?"}, {"start": "02:20:12", "end": "02:20:16", "text": ">> No. you might want to uh you might want"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:19", "text": "to get uh Terror that Comes in the Night"}, {"start": "02:20:16", "end": "02:20:20", "text": "uh great by Huffford. Well, what he does"}, {"start": "02:20:19", "end": "02:20:22", "text": "is he does a cultural comparison of"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:24", "text": "Night Hag experiences. So, you might"}, {"start": "02:20:22", "end": "02:20:26", "text": "actually find some psychological comfort"}, {"start": "02:20:24", "end": "02:20:27", "text": "in that. Um and what he does is he makes"}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "a separation between what's called the"}, {"start": "02:20:27", "end": "02:20:32", "text": "experiential source hypothesis and the"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:35", "text": "cultural source hypothesis. And his"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "whole premise was either this phenomena"}, {"start": "02:20:35", "end": "02:20:40", "text": "has some sort of this experience of the"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "night hag has some core actual"}, {"start": "02:20:40", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "phenomenological reality, right? some"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "sort of core real experience that you"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "know culture is laying on top of it or"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:51", "text": "it's purely a cultural source. Right now"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "we know that sleep paralysis and"}, {"start": "02:20:51", "end": "02:20:54", "text": "versions of the night hag occur"}, {"start": "02:20:53", "end": "02:20:54", "text": "cross-culturally."}, {"start": "02:20:54", "end": "02:20:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:20:54", "end": "02:20:57", "text": ">> Right. So Cheyenne's a good resource for"}, {"start": "02:20:56", "end": "02:20:58", "text": "that. Um there's a couple of others that"}, {"start": "02:20:57", "end": "02:21:00", "text": "have published the last few years but I"}, {"start": "02:20:58", "end": "02:21:03", "text": "don't remember their names. Um"}, {"start": "02:21:00", "end": "02:21:05", "text": ">> after I told this story to the audience"}, {"start": "02:21:03", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "email just went crazy. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:21:05", "end": "02:21:07", "text": ">> A thousand people."}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:08", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:21:07", "end": "02:21:09", "text": ">> we all saw the same thing."}, {"start": "02:21:08", "end": "02:21:11", "text": ">> And and I'm I'm trying and I'm trying"}, {"start": "02:21:09", "end": "02:21:12", "text": "not to apply I I'll apply my belief."}, {"start": "02:21:11", "end": "02:21:13", "text": "I'll I'll be like you. I'll play the"}, {"start": "02:21:12", "end": "02:21:16", "text": "belief at I'll do the opposite. I'll"}, {"start": "02:21:13", "end": "02:21:17", "text": "play the belief at the end. Um okay."}, {"start": "02:21:16", "end": "02:21:19", "text": ">> So, we know sleep paralysis, right?"}, {"start": "02:21:17", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "Essentially is the motor cortex shuts"}, {"start": "02:21:19", "end": "02:21:22", "text": "down at night so you don't act out your"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "dreams and jump out a window, you know?"}, {"start": "02:21:22", "end": "02:21:27", "text": "Yay. And then of course when it comes"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:28", "text": "back, um you know, it's not on yet. So"}, {"start": "02:21:27", "end": "02:21:29", "text": "that's paralysis."}, {"start": "02:21:28", "end": "02:21:31", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:21:29", "end": "02:21:33", "text": ">> Uh by the way, neat trick for anyone"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:35", "text": "that goes through this. Um if you have"}, {"start": "02:21:33", "end": "02:21:37", "text": "repeated sleep paralysis, the trick is"}, {"start": "02:21:35", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "not moving your body. The trick is"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "moving a single digit."}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:45", "text": ">> Okay. Um, I've had one episode and"}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:47", "text": "luckily luckily I learned this before I"}, {"start": "02:21:45", "end": "02:21:48", "text": "had the episode. So, you focus on your"}, {"start": "02:21:47", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "finger or your toe."}, {"start": "02:21:48", "end": "02:21:51", "text": ">> What was your episode?"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:52", "text": ">> I didn't have any sort of phenomenon"}, {"start": "02:21:51", "end": "02:21:53", "text": "with it. I just woke up and couldn't"}, {"start": "02:21:52", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "move."}, {"start": "02:21:53", "end": "02:21:56", "text": ">> And I and and I remember it took about"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:21:58", "text": "45 seconds till the panic sets in"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:21:59", "text": "because in fact the panic is a very"}, {"start": "02:21:58", "end": "02:22:01", "text": "common feature of this occurring early"}, {"start": "02:21:59", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "on. Unreasonable panic."}, {"start": "02:22:01", "end": "02:22:06", "text": ">> Sure. I'm I'm a lucid dreamer. So,"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:08", "text": ">> you you learn to get past the buzzing."}, {"start": "02:22:06", "end": "02:22:09", "text": ">> Yeah. And I've actually got better with"}, {"start": "02:22:08", "end": "02:22:12", "text": "lucid dreaming over the years. Anyway,"}, {"start": "02:22:09", "end": "02:22:13", "text": "um but I remember in my episode I'm like"}, {"start": "02:22:12", "end": "02:22:15", "text": ">> picky finger, picky finger, picky"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:17", "text": "[laughter] finger, picking finger, and"}, {"start": "02:22:15", "end": "02:22:18", "text": "and within like 30 because I knew the"}, {"start": "02:22:17", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "panic was coming,"}, {"start": "02:22:18", "end": "02:22:21", "text": ">> right? I'm like, I know it's coming. I"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:22", "text": "got to get it. And I managed to get the"}, {"start": "02:22:21", "end": "02:22:23", "text": "finger wiggling and I snapped out of it"}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:25", "text": "in time."}, {"start": "02:22:23", "end": "02:22:27", "text": ">> Um so there is obviously a biological"}, {"start": "02:22:25", "end": "02:22:29", "text": "component to it, a neurological"}, {"start": "02:22:27", "end": "02:22:31", "text": "biological component to it. But Huffford"}, {"start": "02:22:29", "end": "02:22:33", "text": "did show that there are very much"}, {"start": "02:22:31", "end": "02:22:35", "text": "cross-cultural comparisons and of course"}, {"start": "02:22:33", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "Cheyenne in South America showed this as"}, {"start": "02:22:35", "end": "02:22:40", "text": "well in Mexico. uh that this some"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:42", "text": "version of the night hag um has"}, {"start": "02:22:40", "end": "02:22:44", "text": "different representations across"}, {"start": "02:22:42", "end": "02:22:47", "text": "multiple cultures. Now you can say that"}, {"start": "02:22:44", "end": "02:22:49", "text": "this just is a combination of sleep"}, {"start": "02:22:47", "end": "02:22:51", "text": "paralysis which is very obviously"}, {"start": "02:22:49", "end": "02:22:53", "text": "measurable plus a hypnogogic episode."}, {"start": "02:22:51", "end": "02:22:56", "text": "Right. Right. Um and in fact I I believe"}, {"start": "02:22:53", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "in hypnogogic episodes to the point that"}, {"start": "02:22:56", "end": "02:23:00", "text": "if a person reports haunting phenomena"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:02", "text": "coming out of sleep or into sleep I tend"}, {"start": "02:23:00", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "to be like probably hypnogogic. Sure."}, {"start": "02:23:02", "end": "02:23:06", "text": "Right. Or hypnopic depending on whether"}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:08", "text": "they're awake or asleep. Right."}, {"start": "02:23:06", "end": "02:23:09", "text": ">> Um, but again from Huffford and other"}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:11", "text": "sources,"}, {"start": "02:23:09", "end": "02:23:13", "text": "there have been both subjective and"}, {"start": "02:23:11", "end": "02:23:16", "text": "objective paranormal phenomena that can"}, {"start": "02:23:13", "end": "02:23:18", "text": "be associated with those episodes"}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:19", "text": ">> that are more difficult to explain."}, {"start": "02:23:18", "end": "02:23:22", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "02:23:19", "end": "02:23:25", "text": ">> So, if you want me to tell you with a"}, {"start": "02:23:22", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "100% certainty that that was just you in"}, {"start": "02:23:25", "end": "02:23:30", "text": "your head, I'm not going to tell you"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:32", "text": "that. Um, you know, back to our earlier"}, {"start": "02:23:30", "end": "02:23:35", "text": "conversation"}, {"start": "02:23:32", "end": "02:23:38", "text": "when I was 12 or 13, I had a visit from"}, {"start": "02:23:35", "end": "02:23:41", "text": "something. Um, I do not remember a"}, {"start": "02:23:38", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "specific trigger. Um, I do remember I"}, {"start": "02:23:41", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "set up out of bed and then there was"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:47", "text": "just something in the room that I"}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "couldn't see positioned at the doorway."}, {"start": "02:23:47", "end": "02:23:51", "text": ">> Couldn't see but knew it was there."}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:52", "text": ">> Yep. Absolute feeling of evil."}, {"start": "02:23:51", "end": "02:23:53", "text": ">> Uh, yes."}, {"start": "02:23:52", "end": "02:23:54", "text": ">> Oppression."}, {"start": "02:23:53", "end": "02:23:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:23:58", "text": ">> And again, I'm in the doorway. You can't"}, {"start": "02:23:56", "end": "02:23:59", "text": "get out. And it stayed with me all"}, {"start": "02:23:58", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "night."}, {"start": "02:23:59", "end": "02:24:03", "text": ">> All night."}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:05", "text": ">> Mhm. Um which uh frankly was responsible"}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:08", "text": "for my religious conversion. It"}, {"start": "02:24:05", "end": "02:24:10", "text": "terrified me so badly that that's uh"}, {"start": "02:24:08", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "that's what ended up leaning me towards"}, {"start": "02:24:10", "end": "02:24:14", "text": "uh thinking about seminary as a"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "teenager. Um"}, {"start": "02:24:14", "end": "02:24:18", "text": ">> of course it would. Anyone who's had"}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:21", "text": "this experience knows how real it feels."}, {"start": "02:24:18", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "Now, you know, related to what you"}, {"start": "02:24:21", "end": "02:24:26", "text": "experienced, um, I subsequently found"}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:29", "text": "out that, um,"}, {"start": "02:24:26", "end": "02:24:32", "text": "where I grew up"}, {"start": "02:24:29", "end": "02:24:35", "text": "had a lot of not friendly things around."}, {"start": "02:24:32", "end": "02:24:39", "text": "Um, I don't have a better word for this."}, {"start": "02:24:35", "end": "02:24:42", "text": "Some land is friendly, some land less."}, {"start": "02:24:39", "end": "02:24:44", "text": "So, I happen to live next to a a boy"}, {"start": "02:24:42", "end": "02:24:48", "text": "scout camp with a 30-year history."}, {"start": "02:24:44", "end": "02:24:50", "text": ">> Oh, no. a very very very crazy"}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:52", "text": "phenomena. Um, but the funny thing is"}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:54", "text": "where I live is about as peaceful and"}, {"start": "02:24:52", "end": "02:24:56", "text": "kind as you can imagine. But I kid you"}, {"start": "02:24:54", "end": "02:24:58", "text": "not, you drive seven miles"}, {"start": "02:24:56", "end": "02:24:59", "text": ">> and suddenly you're like, did I just"}, {"start": "02:24:58", "end": "02:25:00", "text": "enter the set of Hocus Pocus? What the"}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:01", "text": "hell is this?"}, {"start": "02:25:00", "end": "02:25:03", "text": ">> You could feel that."}, {"start": "02:25:01", "end": "02:25:05", "text": ">> Oh yeah. And you can almost even see it"}, {"start": "02:25:03", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "in the in the terrain. It just it feels"}, {"start": "02:25:05", "end": "02:25:10", "text": "fundamentally different. Um,"}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:12", "text": "there was a church about a mile and a"}, {"start": "02:25:10", "end": "02:25:14", "text": "half from where I lived and there's a"}, {"start": "02:25:12", "end": "02:25:17", "text": "road that goes all the way around and"}, {"start": "02:25:14", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "uh, by the time I was of driving age,"}, {"start": "02:25:17", "end": "02:25:23", "text": "none of my friends would drive around"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:24", "text": "that church because we used to do it."}, {"start": "02:25:23", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "Um, I remember particularly I had a"}, {"start": "02:25:24", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "friend, we drove around it, we're"}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:30", "text": "sitting in the car and I get this"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:32", "text": "overwhelming feeling, something nasty in"}, {"start": "02:25:30", "end": "02:25:32", "text": "the back seat."}, {"start": "02:25:32", "end": "02:25:34", "text": ">> In the back seat."}, {"start": "02:25:32", "end": "02:25:35", "text": ">> In the back seat. Like something was"}, {"start": "02:25:34", "end": "02:25:37", "text": "hitching a ride."}, {"start": "02:25:35", "end": "02:25:39", "text": ">> Yeah. It was it was and and I remember"}, {"start": "02:25:37", "end": "02:25:40", "text": "looking over at my friend and going and"}, {"start": "02:25:39", "end": "02:25:42", "text": "I didn't say a word. He's like, \"Yeah, I"}, {"start": "02:25:40", "end": "02:25:43", "text": "know.\""}, {"start": "02:25:42", "end": "02:25:44", "text": ">> Oh, you just gave me chills."}, {"start": "02:25:43", "end": "02:25:45", "text": ">> Yeah. He's like, \"Yeah, no, I know.\" And"}, {"start": "02:25:44", "end": "02:25:47", "text": "from that point forward, there was"}, {"start": "02:25:45", "end": "02:25:48", "text": "another route to my house. We just"}, {"start": "02:25:47", "end": "02:25:49", "text": "everybody just took that"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:51", "text": ">> and I'd even tell my friends, \"Take that"}, {"start": "02:25:49", "end": "02:25:53", "text": "route.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:25:51", "end": "02:25:55", "text": ">> Uh, you know, one crazy hypothesis I"}, {"start": "02:25:53", "end": "02:25:57", "text": "can't back up is that whatever was there"}, {"start": "02:25:55", "end": "02:25:59", "text": "from that church could get just far"}, {"start": "02:25:57", "end": "02:25:59", "text": "enough that it came to visit me in my"}, {"start": "02:25:59", "end": "02:26:01", "text": "teenage years."}, {"start": "02:25:59", "end": "02:26:04", "text": ">> Yeah. you know, if you want the"}, {"start": "02:26:01", "end": "02:26:06", "text": "non-csychological explanation. Um, yeah,"}, {"start": "02:26:04", "end": "02:26:09", "text": "I don't know. But, you know, back to"}, {"start": "02:26:06", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "your case, um, you know, if if I was"}, {"start": "02:26:09", "end": "02:26:14", "text": "you, I'd be inclined to start looking in"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:15", "text": "my family history to see if you have"}, {"start": "02:26:14", "end": "02:26:18", "text": "practitioners, see if you have people"}, {"start": "02:26:15", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "with curses, see if you have lineages of"}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:20", "text": "people that dabbled with stuff they"}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:22", "text": "shouldn't."}, {"start": "02:26:20", "end": "02:26:22", "text": ">> Oh, I'm from southern Italian. They did"}, {"start": "02:26:22", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "all that stuff."}, {"start": "02:26:22", "end": "02:26:25", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're screwed."}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:27", "text": ">> Screw [laughter] I'm screwed."}, {"start": "02:26:25", "end": "02:26:29", "text": ">> Uh, folk Catholicism."}, {"start": "02:26:27", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "I mean, you know, sometimes they didn't"}, {"start": "02:26:29", "end": "02:26:32", "text": "just stick with the saints."}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:35", "text": ">> Yeah. I wear St. Michael every day."}, {"start": "02:26:32", "end": "02:26:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, you know, and and also keep in"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:37", "text": "mind, you know, why the Grimoire"}, {"start": "02:26:37", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "survived, right?"}, {"start": "02:26:37", "end": "02:26:39", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:41", "text": ">> Cuz priests kept them."}, {"start": "02:26:39", "end": "02:26:43", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:26:41", "end": "02:26:45", "text": ">> So, um, you you might want to look a"}, {"start": "02:26:43", "end": "02:26:46", "text": "little bit into your family history."}, {"start": "02:26:45", "end": "02:26:47", "text": ">> I might just leave it alone."}, {"start": "02:26:46", "end": "02:26:49", "text": ">> Or just Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:26:47", "end": "02:26:51", "text": ">> I'm just going to leave it alone."}, {"start": "02:26:49", "end": "02:26:52", "text": ">> Um, but no, I mean, you know, you want"}, {"start": "02:26:51", "end": "02:26:54", "text": "the standard answer. Yep. You had a"}, {"start": "02:26:52", "end": "02:26:55", "text": "hypnogogic episode with sleep paralysis."}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:26:57", "text": ">> That's what I'm going with. or some hot"}, {"start": "02:26:55", "end": "02:26:59", "text": "old lady decided to have her way with"}, {"start": "02:26:57", "end": "02:27:02", "text": "you. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:26:59", "end": "02:27:02", "text": ">> Is sexual violence part of the Is that"}, {"start": "02:27:02", "end": "02:27:05", "text": "common?"}, {"start": "02:27:02", "end": "02:27:08", "text": ">> It it can it it can be. Um I've seen"}, {"start": "02:27:05", "end": "02:27:10", "text": "accounts uh that have definite sexual"}, {"start": "02:27:08", "end": "02:27:12", "text": "content to them and I would imagine that"}, {"start": "02:27:10", "end": "02:27:13", "text": "that is because I I make that joke, but"}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "I would imagine that is even more"}, {"start": "02:27:13", "end": "02:27:19", "text": "horrifying and terrifying. Um and and"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:19", "text": ">> we had to we had to leave and I'm not"}, {"start": "02:27:19", "end": "02:27:21", "text": "afraid of anything."}, {"start": "02:27:19", "end": "02:27:23", "text": ">> Sure. Well, I mean from a clinical"}, {"start": "02:27:21", "end": "02:27:25", "text": "psychology perspective, right? Um, I'm"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:29", "text": "not a clinician, but I play one on TV."}, {"start": "02:27:25", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "Um, you know, good move. Why not? What"}, {"start": "02:27:29", "end": "02:27:32", "text": "do you have to prove to anybody? Right."}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:33", "text": "Right. Like, I just had a traumatic"}, {"start": "02:27:32", "end": "02:27:34", "text": "experience. I know. I'll confront that"}, {"start": "02:27:33", "end": "02:27:37", "text": "right now. Nope."}, {"start": "02:27:34", "end": "02:27:40", "text": ">> Or go home, recoup at base camp. Y"}, {"start": "02:27:37", "end": "02:27:44", "text": ">> um, interestingly, I I did uh in the"}, {"start": "02:27:40", "end": "02:27:46", "text": "last year get contacted by a person who"}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:49", "text": ">> um repeatedly was having very traumatic"}, {"start": "02:27:46", "end": "02:27:53", "text": "succubus incubis experiences."}, {"start": "02:27:49", "end": "02:27:55", "text": "Um and they reported um a lot of that."}, {"start": "02:27:53", "end": "02:27:57", "text": "It it happens evidently."}, {"start": "02:27:55", "end": "02:27:59", "text": ">> There's a reason that succubus incubuses"}, {"start": "02:27:57", "end": "02:28:02", "text": "are exist."}, {"start": "02:27:59", "end": "02:28:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Um so, you know, and again, all of"}, {"start": "02:28:02", "end": "02:28:07", "text": "this comes down to um it it's some kind"}, {"start": "02:28:05", "end": "02:28:08", "text": "of real, you know, if if you want to if"}, {"start": "02:28:07", "end": "02:28:09", "text": "you want to debunk it or you want to"}, {"start": "02:28:08", "end": "02:28:11", "text": "find you want to find mainstream"}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:13", "text": "explanations, you can and you probably"}, {"start": "02:28:11", "end": "02:28:14", "text": "will. There's an overlap there. Um at"}, {"start": "02:28:13", "end": "02:28:16", "text": "the same time, I think sometimes we"}, {"start": "02:28:14", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "don't pay enough attention to the fact"}, {"start": "02:28:16", "end": "02:28:19", "text": "of was it real to you?"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:21", "text": ">> Sure was. and and what were the"}, {"start": "02:28:19", "end": "02:28:23", "text": "consequences of that and how did you"}, {"start": "02:28:21", "end": "02:28:24", "text": "know in much more in a clinical"}, {"start": "02:28:23", "end": "02:28:26", "text": "psychology perspective and it's why"}, {"start": "02:28:24", "end": "02:28:29", "text": "we've written some papers on haunted"}, {"start": "02:28:26", "end": "02:28:31", "text": "people syndrome for clinicians right how"}, {"start": "02:28:29", "end": "02:28:32", "text": "do you address this without you know"}, {"start": "02:28:31", "end": "02:28:34", "text": "because it's not good clinical"}, {"start": "02:28:32", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "psychology to be like you're full of"}, {"start": "02:28:34", "end": "02:28:40", "text": " like you you just broke rapport bad"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:42", "text": "move right you're crazy like okay that's"}, {"start": "02:28:40", "end": "02:28:43", "text": "not how you start a therapy session you"}, {"start": "02:28:42", "end": "02:28:45", "text": "know if these people believe it where"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:47", "text": "it's rational you know whether it's"}, {"start": "02:28:45", "end": "02:28:50", "text": "debunkable or not if it's not about I'm"}, {"start": "02:28:47", "end": "02:28:51", "text": "right you're wrong. Um, and honestly, I"}, {"start": "02:28:50", "end": "02:28:54", "text": "think sometimes we get too far into that"}, {"start": "02:28:51", "end": "02:28:56", "text": "with some of this stuff. Um,"}, {"start": "02:28:54", "end": "02:28:58", "text": "you know, it is about what did you"}, {"start": "02:28:56", "end": "02:29:01", "text": "experience? What did you perceive? How"}, {"start": "02:28:58", "end": "02:29:03", "text": "are you processing it? And are you okay?"}, {"start": "02:29:01", "end": "02:29:06", "text": "And if you're not okay, how can we help"}, {"start": "02:29:03", "end": "02:29:07", "text": "you cope with what you're experiencing"}, {"start": "02:29:06", "end": "02:29:09", "text": "in a way that makes sense to you, that"}, {"start": "02:29:07", "end": "02:29:11", "text": "fits with your value system, that sit"}, {"start": "02:29:09", "end": "02:29:12", "text": "fits with your belief system. Um, and I"}, {"start": "02:29:11", "end": "02:29:14", "text": "don't care whether you're right or"}, {"start": "02:29:12", "end": "02:29:15", "text": "wrong. I don't care whether other people"}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:18", "text": "agree with you or not. That's really not"}, {"start": "02:29:15", "end": "02:29:19", "text": "the point. The point is here's where"}, {"start": "02:29:18", "end": "02:29:22", "text": "you're at. Uh and really that's the"}, {"start": "02:29:19", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "heart of good therapy period. Right?"}, {"start": "02:29:22", "end": "02:29:26", "text": "It's, you know, good therapy is not"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:28", "text": "let's look at this external standard and"}, {"start": "02:29:26", "end": "02:29:31", "text": "make you conform to it. Uh good therapy"}, {"start": "02:29:28", "end": "02:29:34", "text": "is selfish. Where are you at? Where"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:37", "text": "would you like to be for you? How do we"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:39", "text": "take steps in your life? Uh also true"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:40", "text": "with anxiety and depression, right? Uh"}, {"start": "02:29:39", "end": "02:29:42", "text": "the meds don't fix much."}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:44", "text": ">> No, they don't. Uh and of course now"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:45", "text": "they have that whole line of research"}, {"start": "02:29:44", "end": "02:29:47", "text": "coming out where they're saying they've"}, {"start": "02:29:45", "end": "02:29:49", "text": "never had a good relationship between"}, {"start": "02:29:47", "end": "02:29:51", "text": "anxiety and depression alleviation and"}, {"start": "02:29:49", "end": "02:29:53", "text": "psychotropic meds. Not shocked by that."}, {"start": "02:29:51", "end": "02:29:54", "text": "I worked at psychord for two years."}, {"start": "02:29:53", "end": "02:29:57", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:29:54", "end": "02:30:00", "text": ">> but again if we come back to therapy"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:02", "text": "removing politics removing ideology and"}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:07", "text": "certainly removing non-databased"}, {"start": "02:30:02", "end": "02:30:09", "text": "interventions are um it does come down"}, {"start": "02:30:07", "end": "02:30:10", "text": "to let's be selfish. Let's talk about"}, {"start": "02:30:09", "end": "02:30:13", "text": "you. Let's talk about what you're"}, {"start": "02:30:10", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "experiencing. Let's talk about are you"}, {"start": "02:30:13", "end": "02:30:15", "text": "willing to look at what you're doing?"}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:17", "text": "How's that working for you? Right."}, {"start": "02:30:15", "end": "02:30:18", "text": "That's that's the critical question. But"}, {"start": "02:30:17", "end": "02:30:19", "text": "again, introspection."}, {"start": "02:30:18", "end": "02:30:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:30:19", "end": "02:30:24", "text": ">> Because you know, rule number one of"}, {"start": "02:30:20", "end": "02:30:25", "text": "therapy, if you don't want help,"}, {"start": "02:30:24", "end": "02:30:25", "text": "nobody can help you,"}, {"start": "02:30:25", "end": "02:30:26", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:30:25", "end": "02:30:28", "text": ">> If you don't want to look at things and"}, {"start": "02:30:26", "end": "02:30:29", "text": "change things and do some work, it's"}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:33", "text": "just like physical therapy. If you break"}, {"start": "02:30:29", "end": "02:30:35", "text": "a leg, you want to fix it, that physical"}, {"start": "02:30:33", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "therapy is going to suck. Um, well,"}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:40", "text": "unfortunately, therapy has a suckiness"}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:41", "text": "component to it because over time, the"}, {"start": "02:30:40", "end": "02:30:44", "text": "therapist is going to have to get you to"}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:46", "text": "a point where you're willing to confront"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:48", "text": "uncomfortable things. And, you know, in"}, {"start": "02:30:46", "end": "02:30:49", "text": "theory, in a supportive environment"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:52", "text": "where you're not alone and go, okay, now"}, {"start": "02:30:49", "end": "02:30:55", "text": "that we've looked at this, what do you"}, {"start": "02:30:52", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "think we can do together to make it"}, {"start": "02:30:55", "end": "02:31:00", "text": "better? And the whole goal for therapy"}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:02", "text": "should be not that you match group A, B,"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:04", "text": "or C. It should be how much have we"}, {"start": "02:31:02", "end": "02:31:06", "text": "improved"}, {"start": "02:31:04", "end": "02:31:08", "text": "your well-being on a day-to-day basis."}, {"start": "02:31:06", "end": "02:31:10", "text": "How many techniques and strategies have"}, {"start": "02:31:08", "end": "02:31:12", "text": "we given you? So that you know if we"}, {"start": "02:31:10", "end": "02:31:15", "text": "can't get rid of it, we can help you"}, {"start": "02:31:12", "end": "02:31:16", "text": "mediate it, moderate it, make it and and"}, {"start": "02:31:15", "end": "02:31:18", "text": "give you back really because I think a"}, {"start": "02:31:16", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "lot of issues with psychology and"}, {"start": "02:31:18", "end": "02:31:21", "text": "psychological disorders is that theft of"}, {"start": "02:31:20", "end": "02:31:22", "text": "control."}, {"start": "02:31:21", "end": "02:31:25", "text": ">> That's true."}, {"start": "02:31:22", "end": "02:31:26", "text": ">> Human beings need a sense of control."}, {"start": "02:31:25", "end": "02:31:28", "text": "And that full circles back to our belief"}, {"start": "02:31:26", "end": "02:31:29", "text": "systems. Why do people stick to these"}, {"start": "02:31:28", "end": "02:31:30", "text": "belief systems? because they're using"}, {"start": "02:31:29", "end": "02:31:31", "text": "them to make sense of the world around"}, {"start": "02:31:30", "end": "02:31:31", "text": "them,"}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:33", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:34", "text": ">> And and human beings do not like it when"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:34", "text": "they don't have control."}, {"start": "02:31:34", "end": "02:31:38", "text": ">> No, they don't."}, {"start": "02:31:34", "end": "02:31:38", "text": ">> And prediction is a form of control."}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:41", "text": ">> That's true."}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:43", "text": ">> Prediction is a massive form of control,"}, {"start": "02:31:41", "end": "02:31:46", "text": ">> right? That's the appeal of mainstream"}, {"start": "02:31:43", "end": "02:31:47", "text": "religion. Here is one book. The book has"}, {"start": "02:31:46", "end": "02:31:47", "text": "a complete set of answers."}, {"start": "02:31:47", "end": "02:31:49", "text": ">> Y"}, {"start": "02:31:47", "end": "02:31:51", "text": ">> and it gives you a worldview and a map"}, {"start": "02:31:49", "end": "02:31:53", "text": "of the universe by which you know what"}, {"start": "02:31:51", "end": "02:31:54", "text": "the hell is going on and"}, {"start": "02:31:53", "end": "02:31:57", "text": ">> and you know how it ends."}, {"start": "02:31:54", "end": "02:31:58", "text": ">> Yeah. And by the way, no judgment there."}, {"start": "02:31:57", "end": "02:32:00", "text": "I'm jealous. Me, too."}, {"start": "02:31:58", "end": "02:32:03", "text": ">> I'm a questioner. I'm I'm born I'm I'm"}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:05", "text": "I'm I'm I'm not a Judas. Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "02:32:03", "end": "02:32:07", "text": "I'm I'm a doubting Thomas, right? I'm a"}, {"start": "02:32:05", "end": "02:32:09", "text": "believer, but I'm a Thomas. Um and I"}, {"start": "02:32:07", "end": "02:32:10", "text": "envy people."}, {"start": "02:32:09", "end": "02:32:12", "text": ">> People who know for sure they're going"}, {"start": "02:32:10", "end": "02:32:13", "text": "to heaven, God bless them."}, {"start": "02:32:12", "end": "02:32:15", "text": ">> And more importantly, I would never want"}, {"start": "02:32:13", "end": "02:32:16", "text": "to take that from anybody."}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:17", "text": ">> Because"}, {"start": "02:32:16", "end": "02:32:20", "text": ">> I'd love to have that"}, {"start": "02:32:17", "end": "02:32:22", "text": ">> because that's what they use to make"}, {"start": "02:32:20", "end": "02:32:24", "text": "peace with a world that is not a kind"}, {"start": "02:32:22", "end": "02:32:24", "text": "world."}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:26", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:28", "text": ">> those and those people are very kind"}, {"start": "02:32:26", "end": "02:32:29", "text": "people. They can be or sometimes they"}, {"start": "02:32:28", "end": "02:32:31", "text": "can be mean and aggressive."}, {"start": "02:32:29", "end": "02:32:33", "text": ">> They can. But for the most part, in my"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "experience, people who are very faithful"}, {"start": "02:32:33", "end": "02:32:39", "text": "Yes. are very very nice."}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:41", "text": ">> My my my hero is my grandmother who had"}, {"start": "02:32:39", "end": "02:32:43", "text": "a fourth grade education, was stoic as"}, {"start": "02:32:41", "end": "02:32:46", "text": "all get out. If she talked, she had"}, {"start": "02:32:43", "end": "02:32:47", "text": "something to say. Otherwise, she didn't."}, {"start": "02:32:46", "end": "02:32:49", "text": "Smarter than most people I've ever met"}, {"start": "02:32:47", "end": "02:32:52", "text": "in my life. I miss her dearly. She's"}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:54", "text": "passed away for uh what has it been 10"}, {"start": "02:32:52", "end": "02:32:55", "text": "years now? 15 years now. Um"}, {"start": "02:32:54", "end": "02:32:57", "text": ">> Oh, she lived a long time."}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:32:58", "text": ">> 11 years. Yeah, she made it to 90."}, {"start": "02:32:57", "end": "02:33:00", "text": ">> She made it to 90."}, {"start": "02:32:58", "end": "02:33:01", "text": ">> Yep. She made it to 90. Um, and in fact,"}, {"start": "02:33:00", "end": "02:33:02", "text": "when I had those experiences back in the"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:04", "text": "day, I'd end up spending a lot of time"}, {"start": "02:33:02", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "at my grandma's because my room got a"}, {"start": "02:33:04", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "little tainted. Right."}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:09", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:11", "text": ">> Um, but she was insanely wise. Um,"}, {"start": "02:33:09", "end": "02:33:12", "text": ">> did you know how lucky you were to have"}, {"start": "02:33:11", "end": "02:33:16", "text": "her that long?"}, {"start": "02:33:12", "end": "02:33:20", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. No. No. She's uh she's missed."}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:22", "text": ">> What a gift, man."}, {"start": "02:33:20", "end": "02:33:23", "text": ">> But full circle. Yep. Yeah. You had a"}, {"start": "02:33:22", "end": "02:33:26", "text": "weird experience."}, {"start": "02:33:23", "end": "02:33:28", "text": ">> I did. But here's the other thing, too."}, {"start": "02:33:26", "end": "02:33:28", "text": "Um, throwing this out here,"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:30", "text": ">> okay?"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:32", "text": ">> Why not engage in some spiritual"}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:33", "text": "protection measures? If it works, who"}, {"start": "02:33:32", "end": "02:33:35", "text": "cares?"}, {"start": "02:33:33", "end": "02:33:37", "text": ">> It can't hurt,"}, {"start": "02:33:35", "end": "02:33:39", "text": ">> you know? If it works, who cares,"}, {"start": "02:33:37", "end": "02:33:39", "text": ">> right? The old Pythagorean."}, {"start": "02:33:39", "end": "02:33:41", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:33:39", "end": "02:33:42", "text": ">> why not? Couldn't wait."}, {"start": "02:33:41", "end": "02:33:45", "text": ">> I mean, you know, Crowley with his"}, {"start": "02:33:42", "end": "02:33:48", "text": "heroin uh mind-breaking, soul destroying"}, {"start": "02:33:45", "end": "02:33:48", "text": "uh history. I definitely believed in"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:49", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:52", "text": ">> He [laughter] did."}, {"start": "02:33:49", "end": "02:33:54", "text": ">> Don't go down that route. But um but"}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:56", "text": "yeah uh you know and that's that I think"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:33:57", "text": "sometimes that's where uh I'll frustrate"}, {"start": "02:33:56", "end": "02:33:59", "text": "my colleagues who are much more"}, {"start": "02:33:57", "end": "02:34:02", "text": "skeptical than I am as they're like but"}, {"start": "02:33:59", "end": "02:34:03", "text": "it can't be. I'm like does it work?"}, {"start": "02:34:02", "end": "02:34:05", "text": "I don't care. You know"}, {"start": "02:34:03", "end": "02:34:06", "text": ">> the wife will be like why is there salt"}, {"start": "02:34:05", "end": "02:34:07", "text": "and chalk everywhere? What are you what"}, {"start": "02:34:06", "end": "02:34:09", "text": "are you doing?"}, {"start": "02:34:07", "end": "02:34:10", "text": ">> It's like that's that situation. You you"}, {"start": "02:34:09", "end": "02:34:11", "text": "remember she remembers this is almost 20"}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:13", "text": "years ago."}, {"start": "02:34:11", "end": "02:34:16", "text": ">> Yeah. If you need to put a fullsize you"}, {"start": "02:34:13", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "know Solomon circle with the Hebrew and"}, {"start": "02:34:16", "end": "02:34:19", "text": "everything else to and it makes you"}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:21", "text": "sleep better. Do it."}, {"start": "02:34:19", "end": "02:34:22", "text": "I think she may have even uh come back"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:25", "text": "about a week ago. I'll tell that story"}, {"start": "02:34:22", "end": "02:34:27", "text": "at some point. Um"}, {"start": "02:34:25", "end": "02:34:28", "text": "transliminality."}, {"start": "02:34:27", "end": "02:34:31", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:34:28", "end": "02:34:33", "text": ">> You have a you have a test on your site."}, {"start": "02:34:31", "end": "02:34:35", "text": "What is We should plug your site. What"}, {"start": "02:34:33", "end": "02:34:37", "text": "where do they go to find this test?"}, {"start": "02:34:35", "end": "02:34:39", "text": ">> Um iset.org."}, {"start": "02:34:37", "end": "02:34:41", "text": ">> Isra is So that's Israel without the L."}, {"start": "02:34:39", "end": "02:34:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Isra"}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:44", "text": "ne.org."}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:46", "text": ">> You need acronym help."}, {"start": "02:34:44", "end": "02:34:49", "text": ">> I know. I do. [laughter] I do. It's a"}, {"start": "02:34:46", "end": "02:34:52", "text": "problem. I might have a tumor."}, {"start": "02:34:49", "end": "02:34:53", "text": "So, this is a survey to see I guess how"}, {"start": "02:34:52", "end": "02:34:55", "text": "psychic you are."}, {"start": "02:34:53", "end": "02:34:56", "text": ">> No. Okay. Transliminality. And here's"}, {"start": "02:34:55", "end": "02:34:58", "text": "where we do go full-blown science"}, {"start": "02:34:56", "end": "02:34:59", "text": "because we've been doing a lot of my"}, {"start": "02:34:58", "end": "02:35:01", "text": "loosey goosey fruity stuff. So, let's"}, {"start": "02:34:59", "end": "02:35:02", "text": ">> because you now before you explain it,"}, {"start": "02:35:01", "end": "02:35:03", "text": "you max out on this test, right?"}, {"start": "02:35:02", "end": "02:35:05", "text": ">> I'm pretty high. Yes."}, {"start": "02:35:03", "end": "02:35:06", "text": ">> All right. So, what So, what what is"}, {"start": "02:35:05", "end": "02:35:09", "text": "this testing?"}, {"start": "02:35:06", "end": "02:35:11", "text": ">> All right. So, trans liimmonality is um"}, {"start": "02:35:09", "end": "02:35:13", "text": "and and really uh Jim's been the the"}, {"start": "02:35:11", "end": "02:35:15", "text": "majority uh validator. He's done the"}, {"start": "02:35:13", "end": "02:35:17", "text": "bulk of research for this. I love this"}, {"start": "02:35:15", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "variable because it's interesting. Okay."}, {"start": "02:35:17", "end": "02:35:23", "text": "um trans liiminal right so this is um a"}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:25", "text": "measure that addresses the extent to"}, {"start": "02:35:23", "end": "02:35:28", "text": "which a person has thin psychological"}, {"start": "02:35:25", "end": "02:35:29", "text": "boundaries okay so um no one would"}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:32", "text": "debate at this point we have a conscious"}, {"start": "02:35:29", "end": "02:35:34", "text": "self and an unconscious self and in a"}, {"start": "02:35:32", "end": "02:35:36", "text": "kind of a Freudian vein we have a nice"}, {"start": "02:35:34", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "thick barrier between the conscious"}, {"start": "02:35:36", "end": "02:35:41", "text": "thoughts and all the stuff that we bury"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:43", "text": "in a Freudian sense or union wise you"}, {"start": "02:35:41", "end": "02:35:44", "text": "know put down there um that we don't"}, {"start": "02:35:43", "end": "02:35:47", "text": "have access to we also have a pretty"}, {"start": "02:35:44", "end": "02:35:48", "text": "thick barrier between our ego go our"}, {"start": "02:35:47", "end": "02:35:50", "text": "conscious self and the environment"}, {"start": "02:35:48", "end": "02:35:53", "text": "around us. People that are highly"}, {"start": "02:35:50", "end": "02:35:56", "text": "transinal are or high trans liiminals"}, {"start": "02:35:53", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "have thinner boundaries."}, {"start": "02:35:56", "end": "02:36:00", "text": "So material from the unconscious to the"}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:02", "text": "conscious passes more freely and"}, {"start": "02:36:00", "end": "02:36:04", "text": "material from the conscious to the"}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:06", "text": "environment and back"}, {"start": "02:36:04", "end": "02:36:09", "text": "go through more freely than the average"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:12", "text": "human being. And what we have found is"}, {"start": "02:36:09", "end": "02:36:15", "text": "that translality, this kind of thin"}, {"start": "02:36:12", "end": "02:36:17", "text": "boundary structure is very much in"}, {"start": "02:36:15", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "multiple studies significantly"}, {"start": "02:36:17", "end": "02:36:20", "text": "predictive of anomalous experience."}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:22", "text": ">> It is."}, {"start": "02:36:20", "end": "02:36:24", "text": ">> Yes. Uh and we've replicated that with"}, {"start": "02:36:22", "end": "02:36:27", "text": "our own scales. It's been done in"}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:28", "text": "previous scales and we've done a a fair"}, {"start": "02:36:27", "end": "02:36:29", "text": "amount of research including previous"}, {"start": "02:36:28", "end": "02:36:31", "text": "research I wasn't involved with that"}, {"start": "02:36:29", "end": "02:36:34", "text": "suggests they may be a little bit better"}, {"start": "02:36:31", "end": "02:36:34", "text": "at ESP."}, {"start": "02:36:34", "end": "02:36:36", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "02:36:34", "end": "02:36:38", "text": ">> I had a friend growing up who swore that"}, {"start": "02:36:36", "end": "02:36:40", "text": "she could see auras and everyone thought"}, {"start": "02:36:38", "end": "02:36:41", "text": "it was nonsense. I don't think it was. I"}, {"start": "02:36:40", "end": "02:36:41", "text": "think she could."}, {"start": "02:36:41", "end": "02:36:42", "text": ">> It Yeah, I"}, {"start": "02:36:41", "end": "02:36:45", "text": ">> think she could."}, {"start": "02:36:42", "end": "02:36:46", "text": ">> Um, now I'm going to go Well, let me let"}, {"start": "02:36:45", "end": "02:36:48", "text": "me give the official diet tribe. So,"}, {"start": "02:36:46", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "it's a wellressearched scale. It's been"}, {"start": "02:36:48", "end": "02:36:52", "text": "rash valid validated, which is a very"}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:54", "text": "high level of statist. It's actually"}, {"start": "02:36:52", "end": "02:36:57", "text": "what the SAT uses, right? So, and trust"}, {"start": "02:36:54", "end": "02:37:01", "text": "me, the SAT wants to be predictive um"}, {"start": "02:36:57", "end": "02:37:02", "text": "because they got money. um but um if the"}, {"start": "02:37:01", "end": "02:37:03", "text": "colleges decide to use it again. But"}, {"start": "02:37:02", "end": "02:37:04", "text": "that's a side note. Um"}, {"start": "02:37:03", "end": "02:37:06", "text": ">> they're start they're starting to"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Like oh shock of shocks. You take"}, {"start": "02:37:06", "end": "02:37:08", "text": "that away performance goes down."}, {"start": "02:37:07", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "Surprise."}, {"start": "02:37:08", "end": "02:37:13", "text": ">> Guess what? Surprise."}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:14", "text": ">> Um but no the the the point of the scale"}, {"start": "02:37:13", "end": "02:37:17", "text": "and it's also been significantly linked"}, {"start": "02:37:14", "end": "02:37:17", "text": "to actual temporal lobe liability."}, {"start": "02:37:17", "end": "02:37:20", "text": ">> It has."}, {"start": "02:37:17", "end": "02:37:22", "text": ">> Yes. So it it's it's a it originally was"}, {"start": "02:37:20", "end": "02:37:23", "text": "Michael Thalorn that designed it. Uh Jim"}, {"start": "02:37:22", "end": "02:37:25", "text": "has done a lot of revisions on it, taken"}, {"start": "02:37:23", "end": "02:37:26", "text": "a lot further. Uh standardized scale. We"}, {"start": "02:37:25", "end": "02:37:28", "text": "use it all the time because it is"}, {"start": "02:37:26", "end": "02:37:31", "text": "reliably predictive of anomalous"}, {"start": "02:37:28", "end": "02:37:34", "text": "experience. Um, in fact, I just put up a"}, {"start": "02:37:31", "end": "02:37:36", "text": "survey with another uh podcast I did"}, {"start": "02:37:34", "end": "02:37:37", "text": "about a month ago. Uh, and we're"}, {"start": "02:37:36", "end": "02:37:40", "text": "collecting data on that. We have"}, {"start": "02:37:37", "end": "02:37:41", "text": "something like 270 responses. Um, so"}, {"start": "02:37:40", "end": "02:37:43", "text": "we're we're looking at that from like"}, {"start": "02:37:41", "end": "02:37:45", "text": "kind of like a podcast listener"}, {"start": "02:37:43", "end": "02:37:46", "text": "community. Um, and I'm going to see what"}, {"start": "02:37:45", "end": "02:37:47", "text": "that how that data turns out."}, {"start": "02:37:46", "end": "02:37:48", "text": ">> Do you want more responses?"}, {"start": "02:37:47", "end": "02:37:50", "text": ">> Oh, yeah, sure. I'll post I'll I'll get"}, {"start": "02:37:48", "end": "02:37:51", "text": "it up. I'll get it up on the internet."}, {"start": "02:37:50", "end": "02:37:51", "text": "We'll see what we can do."}, {"start": "02:37:51", "end": "02:37:53", "text": ">> You got it."}, {"start": "02:37:51", "end": "02:37:55", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:37:53", "end": "02:37:56", "text": ">> Okay. Everybody go to israel withoutthe"}, {"start": "02:37:55", "end": "02:37:58", "text": "l.org."}, {"start": "02:37:56", "end": "02:38:00", "text": ">> I'm sorry everybody for my poor acronym"}, {"start": "02:37:58", "end": "02:38:02", "text": ">> and see and see how psychic you are."}, {"start": "02:38:00", "end": "02:38:04", "text": ">> In fairness, Institute for the Study of"}, {"start": "02:38:02", "end": "02:38:06", "text": "Religious Anomalous Experience sounds"}, {"start": "02:38:04", "end": "02:38:07", "text": "fancy until you're abbreviated. So"}, {"start": "02:38:06", "end": "02:38:09", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:38:07", "end": "02:38:11", "text": ">> did um didn't you find that certain"}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:12", "text": "people maybe it was magicians or"}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:14", "text": "something like that scored low?"}, {"start": "02:38:12", "end": "02:38:14", "text": ">> Yeah. No, high."}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:17", "text": ">> They score high."}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:20", "text": ">> High trans liinals. Yes. And in fact um"}, {"start": "02:38:17", "end": "02:38:22", "text": "I'm of the opinion, right? Because trans"}, {"start": "02:38:20", "end": "02:38:23", "text": "liiminals are going to get more sensory"}, {"start": "02:38:22", "end": "02:38:25", "text": "information going back and forth from"}, {"start": "02:38:23", "end": "02:38:26", "text": "the unconscious and the conscious,"}, {"start": "02:38:25", "end": "02:38:28", "text": "right? And also they're going to be more"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:30", "text": "susceptible to environmental effects."}, {"start": "02:38:28", "end": "02:38:32", "text": "And to be clear, very high levels of"}, {"start": "02:38:30", "end": "02:38:34", "text": "transimmonality can definitely be"}, {"start": "02:38:32", "end": "02:38:38", "text": "associated with diagnosible mental"}, {"start": "02:38:34", "end": "02:38:39", "text": "illness, right? So, uh, you there's a"}, {"start": "02:38:38", "end": "02:38:42", "text": "certain degree of it, like say probably"}, {"start": "02:38:39", "end": "02:38:44", "text": "one standard deviation, a little bit a"}, {"start": "02:38:42", "end": "02:38:46", "text": "little bit above the mean to about one"}, {"start": "02:38:44", "end": "02:38:49", "text": "and a half where you're in kind of a"}, {"start": "02:38:46", "end": "02:38:51", "text": "sweet spot of you are just more"}, {"start": "02:38:49", "end": "02:38:54", "text": "sensitive to environmental stimulus."}, {"start": "02:38:51", "end": "02:38:55", "text": "You're going to be more um you're going"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:38:56", "text": "to be more responsive and you're going"}, {"start": "02:38:55", "end": "02:38:58", "text": "to have more reactions from your"}, {"start": "02:38:56", "end": "02:39:00", "text": "unconscious to your conscious. You're"}, {"start": "02:38:58", "end": "02:39:02", "text": "going to get feelings and impressions."}, {"start": "02:39:00", "end": "02:39:04", "text": ">> Well, that makes perfect sense."}, {"start": "02:39:02", "end": "02:39:06", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I tend to think of it as a bit"}, {"start": "02:39:04", "end": "02:39:09", "text": "of a proxy measure for psychicism."}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "I don't and and so far our direct tests"}, {"start": "02:39:09", "end": "02:39:13", "text": "have had some some support for that,"}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:16", "text": "some statistically significant"}, {"start": "02:39:13", "end": "02:39:18", "text": "responses. Um, but with the magicians,"}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:20", "text": "they actually went sigh missing. They"}, {"start": "02:39:18", "end": "02:39:21", "text": "did significantly worse."}, {"start": "02:39:20", "end": "02:39:22", "text": ">> They did worse"}, {"start": "02:39:21", "end": "02:39:24", "text": ">> u than they ought to. And I had them"}, {"start": "02:39:22", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "actually do um"}, {"start": "02:39:24", "end": "02:39:26", "text": ">> they did worse than random if I"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:27", "text": "remember."}, {"start": "02:39:26", "end": "02:39:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Now, in fairness, two caveats to"}, {"start": "02:39:27", "end": "02:39:34", "text": "that. one, I had them do an online ESP"}, {"start": "02:39:30", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "app, and online digital ESP is not the"}, {"start": "02:39:34", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "same as look at me, I lit candles, I"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:40", "text": "have a circle, right? But I did have I"}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:42", "text": "did have them do one with any ritual of"}, {"start": "02:39:40", "end": "02:39:45", "text": "choice and one without."}, {"start": "02:39:42", "end": "02:39:46", "text": ">> Um, and yeah, the findings went I think"}, {"start": "02:39:45", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "were null"}, {"start": "02:39:46", "end": "02:39:50", "text": ">> were null in one condition and s missing"}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:52", "text": "in the other. So, they went worse than"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:54", "text": "they ought to. And I I can't tell you if"}, {"start": "02:39:52", "end": "02:39:55", "text": "that was because I' I'd love to"}, {"start": "02:39:54", "end": "02:39:57", "text": "replicate it, but honestly, I'd love to"}, {"start": "02:39:55", "end": "02:39:58", "text": "replicate it in a more organic"}, {"start": "02:39:57", "end": "02:40:00", "text": "structure. And then the things get real"}, {"start": "02:39:58", "end": "02:40:01", "text": "complicated because now you're talking a"}, {"start": "02:40:00", "end": "02:40:03", "text": "lab."}, {"start": "02:40:01", "end": "02:40:04", "text": ">> Um and I don't have $200,000 to pay"}, {"start": "02:40:03", "end": "02:40:07", "text": "everybody to Right. Uh although if"}, {"start": "02:40:04", "end": "02:40:10", "text": "anybody wants to send me $200,000,"}, {"start": "02:40:07", "end": "02:40:13", "text": "anybody? Um but uh [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:40:10", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "the point is um"}, {"start": "02:40:13", "end": "02:40:16", "text": "they um I I think in organic"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:18", "text": "environments and this comes back to what"}, {"start": "02:40:16", "end": "02:40:22", "text": "I was talking about like maybe finding"}, {"start": "02:40:18", "end": "02:40:24", "text": "ways to measure uh the actual meditation"}, {"start": "02:40:22", "end": "02:40:26", "text": "and visualization components involved in"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:28", "text": "ritual magic because I think we might"}, {"start": "02:40:26", "end": "02:40:30", "text": "have a bit of a cookbook recipe"}, {"start": "02:40:28", "end": "02:40:32", "text": "for how to enter an altered state of"}, {"start": "02:40:30", "end": "02:40:34", "text": "consciousness that might facilitate"}, {"start": "02:40:32", "end": "02:40:35", "text": "micro PK or ESP."}, {"start": "02:40:34", "end": "02:40:37", "text": ">> I think Buddhists might agree with you."}, {"start": "02:40:35", "end": "02:40:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, and and the thing is it's not"}, {"start": "02:40:37", "end": "02:40:40", "text": "that other researchers haven't said, \"Do"}, {"start": "02:40:39", "end": "02:40:42", "text": "you have meditation experience?\" I'm"}, {"start": "02:40:40", "end": "02:40:43", "text": "like, \"Well, okay, great. I just"}, {"start": "02:40:42", "end": "02:40:45", "text": "measured a bunch of occultists.\" And by"}, {"start": "02:40:43", "end": "02:40:46", "text": "the way, there were mild correlations"}, {"start": "02:40:45", "end": "02:40:48", "text": "between daily meditation and"}, {"start": "02:40:46", "end": "02:40:50", "text": "visualization exercises, right? So, uh,"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:52", "text": "it wasn't I mean, it was significant. It"}, {"start": "02:40:50", "end": "02:40:53", "text": "just wasn't an insane variance accounted"}, {"start": "02:40:52", "end": "02:40:55", "text": "for. Uh but there was a lot of of"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:40:57", "text": "preliminary evidence with these"}, {"start": "02:40:55", "end": "02:40:59", "text": "magicians that suggested that yes these"}, {"start": "02:40:57", "end": "02:41:00", "text": "various techniques that they're actually"}, {"start": "02:40:59", "end": "02:41:02", "text": "using because there's a big separation"}, {"start": "02:41:00", "end": "02:41:04", "text": "between look at me I'm a wizard versus"}, {"start": "02:41:02", "end": "02:41:06", "text": "no no no no really I'm practicing X Y"}, {"start": "02:41:04", "end": "02:41:08", "text": "and Z every other day and I'm actually"}, {"start": "02:41:06", "end": "02:41:10", "text": "doing it right and by the way that's not"}, {"start": "02:41:08", "end": "02:41:11", "text": "a criticism to that community that's the"}, {"start": "02:41:10", "end": "02:41:13", "text": "same with religion whether we're dealing"}, {"start": "02:41:11", "end": "02:41:16", "text": "with exoteric or u exoteric or I'm sorry"}, {"start": "02:41:13", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "not exoteric uh yeah no intrinsic and"}, {"start": "02:41:16", "end": "02:41:20", "text": "exttrinsic religiosity um that's true"}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "with every group uh if you've ever run"}, {"start": "02:41:20", "end": "02:41:23", "text": "an organization there's two or three"}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:24", "text": "people you can absolutely rely on and"}, {"start": "02:41:23", "end": "02:41:26", "text": "then a bunch of people that you're why"}, {"start": "02:41:24", "end": "02:41:26", "text": "am I paying you"}, {"start": "02:41:26", "end": "02:41:28", "text": ">> everywhere?"}, {"start": "02:41:26", "end": "02:41:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Um so the point is when you're"}, {"start": "02:41:28", "end": "02:41:32", "text": "dealing with and that's why I used uh"}, {"start": "02:41:30", "end": "02:41:34", "text": "Rune Soup because a lot of those are"}, {"start": "02:41:32", "end": "02:41:38", "text": "really avid practitioners um and I got"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:39", "text": "measures um but but oh dang it I lost my"}, {"start": "02:41:38", "end": "02:41:40", "text": "train of thought."}, {"start": "02:41:39", "end": "02:41:42", "text": ">> Well do you want to be more transinal"}, {"start": "02:41:40", "end": "02:41:43", "text": "and can you teach it can you teach"}, {"start": "02:41:42", "end": "02:41:45", "text": "yourself to be"}, {"start": "02:41:43", "end": "02:41:46", "text": ">> well the theory? Yes. Uh it's both a"}, {"start": "02:41:45", "end": "02:41:49", "text": "state and a trait variable"}, {"start": "02:41:46", "end": "02:41:51", "text": ">> right? So um you have the the trait"}, {"start": "02:41:49", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "tendency of transimmonality which the"}, {"start": "02:41:51", "end": "02:41:55", "text": "data clearly showed magicians were"}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:41:57", "text": "pretty high on compared to to the"}, {"start": "02:41:55", "end": "02:41:59", "text": "population. Um and the theory is that"}, {"start": "02:41:57", "end": "02:42:02", "text": "actually the exercises taught in"}, {"start": "02:41:59", "end": "02:42:04", "text": "esotericism are helping to train"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:06", "text": "magicians to control the trans liiminal"}, {"start": "02:42:04", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "tendencies. Uh because think about it."}, {"start": "02:42:06", "end": "02:42:10", "text": "If a lot of your practice is this"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:13", "text": "altered state of consciousness where you"}, {"start": "02:42:10", "end": "02:42:15", "text": "are trying to get impressions, voices,"}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:16", "text": "intuitions, you're going through complex"}, {"start": "02:42:15", "end": "02:42:19", "text": "rituals to try and get in contact with a"}, {"start": "02:42:16", "end": "02:42:22", "text": "force, a spirit, an energy. Okay? Having"}, {"start": "02:42:19", "end": "02:42:22", "text": "thin boundary structure. Hey, that's a"}, {"start": "02:42:22", "end": "02:42:23", "text": "good thing."}, {"start": "02:42:22", "end": "02:42:25", "text": ">> That is a good thing,"}, {"start": "02:42:23", "end": "02:42:27", "text": ">> right? But what if it's uncontrolled?"}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:29", "text": "What if it's intrusive? And that's where"}, {"start": "02:42:27", "end": "02:42:32", "text": "you move from some subclinical"}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:33", "text": "symptomology into uh oh, this may"}, {"start": "02:42:32", "end": "02:42:36", "text": "actually be problematic for a person's"}, {"start": "02:42:33", "end": "02:42:40", "text": "well-being. Could this be your those"}, {"start": "02:42:36", "end": "02:42:41", "text": "possessed women maybe transiminal"}, {"start": "02:42:40", "end": "02:42:42", "text": "uncontrollable?"}, {"start": "02:42:41", "end": "02:42:45", "text": ">> I I think they were moderate"}, {"start": "02:42:42", "end": "02:42:48", "text": "transiminals because I I think I had"}, {"start": "02:42:45", "end": "02:42:49", "text": "them sample at some point. Um but"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:52", "text": "transliminality itself is not"}, {"start": "02:42:49", "end": "02:42:54", "text": "necessarily a leaning towards psychosis."}, {"start": "02:42:52", "end": "02:42:55", "text": "Okay. Very high levels of it I if I"}, {"start": "02:42:54", "end": "02:42:59", "text": "remember correctly were in fact"}, {"start": "02:42:55", "end": "02:43:00", "text": "associated with skisipal tendencies. Um"}, {"start": "02:42:59", "end": "02:43:02", "text": ">> well it would make sense."}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:04", "text": ">> Yeah. But keep in mind, one of the myths"}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:07", "text": "out there is that a person can magically"}, {"start": "02:43:04", "end": "02:43:08", "text": "hallucinate and just go back to normal."}, {"start": "02:43:07", "end": "02:43:09", "text": ">> That that doesn't happen."}, {"start": "02:43:08", "end": "02:43:11", "text": ">> That doesn't happen."}, {"start": "02:43:09", "end": "02:43:12", "text": ">> No. Um I' I've been around hundreds of"}, {"start": "02:43:11", "end": "02:43:14", "text": "schizophrenics back in the day. And I"}, {"start": "02:43:12", "end": "02:43:17", "text": "promise you, uh the hallucinations are"}, {"start": "02:43:14", "end": "02:43:18", "text": "just one bit of a very pervasive set of"}, {"start": "02:43:17", "end": "02:43:19", "text": "of crippling symptoms."}, {"start": "02:43:18", "end": "02:43:22", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:43:19", "end": "02:43:24", "text": ">> Um but yeah, high high transliminality"}, {"start": "02:43:22", "end": "02:43:25", "text": "without any form of moderation or"}, {"start": "02:43:24", "end": "02:43:27", "text": "technique to deal with it because really"}, {"start": "02:43:25", "end": "02:43:28", "text": "what are you dealing with? A lot of"}, {"start": "02:43:27", "end": "02:43:29", "text": "sensory information coming from"}, {"start": "02:43:28", "end": "02:43:32", "text": "different sources that you're not"}, {"start": "02:43:29", "end": "02:43:36", "text": "dealing with. Well, um, I would say one"}, {"start": "02:43:32", "end": "02:43:38", "text": "model of magic is how do I control and"}, {"start": "02:43:36", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "create rituals to control the"}, {"start": "02:43:38", "end": "02:43:41", "text": "impressions that I'm getting to have a"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:42", "text": "shut off switch."}, {"start": "02:43:41", "end": "02:43:44", "text": ">> Well, especially if you're deal if"}, {"start": "02:43:42", "end": "02:43:45", "text": "you're dealing with trauma that you kind"}, {"start": "02:43:44", "end": "02:43:45", "text": "of want to keep down there."}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:47", "text": ">> Y,"}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:49", "text": ">> it it's good training to have"}, {"start": "02:43:47", "end": "02:43:51", "text": ">> and and that is, you know, again, we"}, {"start": "02:43:49", "end": "02:43:52", "text": "come back to trauma because a lot of"}, {"start": "02:43:51", "end": "02:43:52", "text": "people do have trauma."}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:43:54", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:43:55", "text": ">> Um, and again, I think in the paranormal"}, {"start": "02:43:54", "end": "02:43:57", "text": "community, there is probably a"}, {"start": "02:43:55", "end": "02:44:00", "text": "significantly greater amount of trauma"}, {"start": "02:43:57", "end": "02:44:03", "text": "than you find in the average population."}, {"start": "02:44:00", "end": "02:44:06", "text": "I agree. Um,"}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:07", "text": "your day job is forensic psychology."}, {"start": "02:44:06", "end": "02:44:08", "text": ">> Uh, I can't really call myself a"}, {"start": "02:44:07", "end": "02:44:09", "text": "forensic person."}, {"start": "02:44:08", "end": "02:44:11", "text": ">> What do you do during the day?"}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:13", "text": "Courtrooms, evaluations?"}, {"start": "02:44:11", "end": "02:44:15", "text": ">> No, no, actually, um, I just work with,"}, {"start": "02:44:13", "end": "02:44:17", "text": "um, I have clinical psychologists and we"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:18", "text": "help veterans get, uh, disability"}, {"start": "02:44:17", "end": "02:44:20", "text": "benefits."}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:21", "text": ">> Where can we find that online? I'd love"}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:23", "text": "to support."}, {"start": "02:44:21", "end": "02:44:24", "text": ">> Um, well, I mean, I work with law firms"}, {"start": "02:44:23", "end": "02:44:27", "text": "only. I don't work individually with"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "veterans. Uh because uh and honestly as"}, {"start": "02:44:27", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "as a pitch, we recommend veterans who"}, {"start": "02:44:29", "end": "02:44:32", "text": "need to work with a VA. I wholeheartedly"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:33", "text": "recommend they just get a lawyer because"}, {"start": "02:44:32", "end": "02:44:34", "text": "it's easier"}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:39", "text": ">> really."}, {"start": "02:44:34", "end": "02:44:41", "text": ">> Um so we we we work with lawyers um to"}, {"start": "02:44:39", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "uh help do assessments uh to help get"}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:44", "text": "better ratings. Uh so we work only"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:45", "text": "through lawyers and that's you really"}, {"start": "02:44:44", "end": "02:44:47", "text": "have to because there's a whole lot of"}, {"start": "02:44:45", "end": "02:44:50", "text": "of of work with VA processing."}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:52", "text": ">> So you're trying to get what I guess"}, {"start": "02:44:50", "end": "02:44:54", "text": "PTSD diagnosed so the they can get help."}, {"start": "02:44:52", "end": "02:44:56", "text": "Yeah, we only do we only deal with uh"}, {"start": "02:44:54", "end": "02:44:59", "text": "psychological disorders. We don't deal"}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:01", "text": "with medical um and again no direct"}, {"start": "02:44:59", "end": "02:45:03", "text": "referrals. Like there's no point in"}, {"start": "02:45:01", "end": "02:45:05", "text": "contacting me because all of the there's"}, {"start": "02:45:03", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "a whole lot of steps before you get to a"}, {"start": "02:45:05", "end": "02:45:08", "text": "clinical psychologist assessment. And"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:09", "text": "I'm not a clinical psychologist, right?"}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:11", "text": "I have clinical psychologists that work"}, {"start": "02:45:09", "end": "02:45:12", "text": "for me. I help with the research and the"}, {"start": "02:45:11", "end": "02:45:14", "text": "paperwork and the submission."}, {"start": "02:45:12", "end": "02:45:16", "text": ">> Well, how do the lawyers help?"}, {"start": "02:45:14", "end": "02:45:19", "text": ">> Well, the lawyers actually uh are are"}, {"start": "02:45:16", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "proficient in VA law. So rather than a"}, {"start": "02:45:19", "end": "02:45:23", "text": "veteran uh trying to tackle all the"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:23", "text": "paperwork required"}, {"start": "02:45:23", "end": "02:45:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Good luck"}, {"start": "02:45:23", "end": "02:45:27", "text": ">> to get disability through the VA, uh the"}, {"start": "02:45:26", "end": "02:45:29", "text": "lawyers take it on for them."}, {"start": "02:45:27", "end": "02:45:30", "text": ">> Um and and it's kind of like a"}, {"start": "02:45:29", "end": "02:45:30", "text": "disability claim."}, {"start": "02:45:30", "end": "02:45:32", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:45:30", "end": "02:45:34", "text": ">> Um and in my it from my personal"}, {"start": "02:45:32", "end": "02:45:36", "text": "opinion, it's almost always better to"}, {"start": "02:45:34", "end": "02:45:38", "text": "have representation just because the"}, {"start": "02:45:36", "end": "02:45:40", "text": "mountains of paperwork and all the"}, {"start": "02:45:38", "end": "02:45:43", "text": "appeals and the and you know, most"}, {"start": "02:45:40", "end": "02:45:45", "text": "people don't have the time to read the"}, {"start": "02:45:43", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "25 books necessarily necessary to"}, {"start": "02:45:45", "end": "02:45:48", "text": "understand what all this paperwork"}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:49", "text": "entails. I really think it's just better"}, {"start": "02:45:48", "end": "02:45:51", "text": "off to get a lawyer."}, {"start": "02:45:49", "end": "02:45:51", "text": ">> You're 100% right."}, {"start": "02:45:51", "end": "02:45:53", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:45:51", "end": "02:45:55", "text": ">> I'm glad you said it 100% right to all"}, {"start": "02:45:53", "end": "02:45:56", "text": "the vets listening. That's how to deal"}, {"start": "02:45:55", "end": "02:45:57", "text": "with the VA is through representation."}, {"start": "02:45:56", "end": "02:45:58", "text": "It's the only way."}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:00", "text": ">> Yeah. And I mean I don't get me wrong, I"}, {"start": "02:45:58", "end": "02:46:02", "text": "don't hate the VA or anything, but again"}, {"start": "02:46:00", "end": "02:46:04", "text": "it's a complicated procedure. You know,"}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:05", "text": "it's government law."}, {"start": "02:46:04", "end": "02:46:08", "text": ">> Uh so it's just better to get"}, {"start": "02:46:05", "end": "02:46:10", "text": "representation. Uh because again that"}, {"start": "02:46:08", "end": "02:46:11", "text": "way it's taken care of because then they"}, {"start": "02:46:10", "end": "02:46:13", "text": "contact you and go, \"Hey buddy, we need"}, {"start": "02:46:11", "end": "02:46:15", "text": "to do an interview. Uh hey, this is"}, {"start": "02:46:13", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "happening. Here's what we need to do"}, {"start": "02:46:15", "end": "02:46:19", "text": "next.\" and you don't have all that"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "stress and trauma of of trying to be a"}, {"start": "02:46:19", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "person working that large bureaucratic"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:22", "text": "system."}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:24", "text": ">> Can the vets afford this?"}, {"start": "02:46:22", "end": "02:46:26", "text": ">> Yeah, actually because just like"}, {"start": "02:46:24", "end": "02:46:29", "text": "disability law, um the the lawyers don't"}, {"start": "02:46:26", "end": "02:46:31", "text": "charge until after the whole thing's"}, {"start": "02:46:29", "end": "02:46:33", "text": "settled. Um and then there's back pay"}, {"start": "02:46:31", "end": "02:46:34", "text": "that occurs, right? Because there's your"}, {"start": "02:46:33", "end": "02:46:36", "text": "date of claim. And it's true with"}, {"start": "02:46:34", "end": "02:46:37", "text": "disability, too, right? And so whatever"}, {"start": "02:46:36", "end": "02:46:40", "text": "your data claim is, however long it"}, {"start": "02:46:37", "end": "02:46:42", "text": "takes for you to get accepted, um you"}, {"start": "02:46:40", "end": "02:46:44", "text": "get that chunk of change and the lawyers"}, {"start": "02:46:42", "end": "02:46:45", "text": "get compensated by getting a little bit"}, {"start": "02:46:44", "end": "02:46:46", "text": "off the back end."}, {"start": "02:46:45", "end": "02:46:47", "text": ">> Sure. What's the name of this"}, {"start": "02:46:46", "end": "02:46:49", "text": "organization?"}, {"start": "02:46:47", "end": "02:46:52", "text": ">> Oh, you mean uh the law firms?"}, {"start": "02:46:49", "end": "02:46:56", "text": ">> Yeah. How can the vets uh get help?"}, {"start": "02:46:52", "end": "02:46:57", "text": ">> Um uh Woods and Woods would be uh would"}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:46:59", "text": "be a good one."}, {"start": "02:46:57", "end": "02:47:02", "text": ">> Woods and Woods."}, {"start": "02:46:59", "end": "02:47:05", "text": ">> Um also National Vet help."}, {"start": "02:47:02", "end": "02:47:07", "text": ">> We have a lot of vets listening. Um,"}, {"start": "02:47:05", "end": "02:47:11", "text": "yeah. I mean, save yourself the drama."}, {"start": "02:47:07", "end": "02:47:11", "text": ">> Totally agree."}, {"start": "02:47:13", "end": "02:47:15", "text": "Last question."}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:17", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:47:15", "end": "02:47:19", "text": ">> is it is it really"}, {"start": "02:47:17", "end": "02:47:21", "text": ">> really the last question? Everyone, go"}, {"start": "02:47:19", "end": "02:47:23", "text": "get ghosted. This is on Amazon, right?"}, {"start": "02:47:21", "end": "02:47:24", "text": ">> Uh, yeah, it's on Amazon."}, {"start": "02:47:23", "end": "02:47:26", "text": ">> Go Amazon. Get ghosted. You're gonna"}, {"start": "02:47:24", "end": "02:47:29", "text": "love it. Right now there's someone"}, {"start": "02:47:26", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "there's thousands of people who like me"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:36", "text": "are dealing with with trauma but not"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:38", "text": "handling it as as well as I did."}, {"start": "02:47:36", "end": "02:47:40", "text": ">> Advice what can they do to deal with it?"}, {"start": "02:47:38", "end": "02:47:43", "text": ">> So when you say trauma are you referring"}, {"start": "02:47:40", "end": "02:47:44", "text": "to like um trauma related to maybe some"}, {"start": "02:47:43", "end": "02:47:46", "text": "spiritual"}, {"start": "02:47:44", "end": "02:47:49", "text": ">> whether it's night hag night terrors"}, {"start": "02:47:46", "end": "02:47:51", "text": "sleepwalking they just can't get they're"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:53", "text": "afraid"}, {"start": "02:47:51", "end": "02:47:58", "text": "to go to sleep for a little while."}, {"start": "02:47:53", "end": "02:48:00", "text": ">> Sure. Um okay so noting um I am not"}, {"start": "02:47:58", "end": "02:48:01", "text": "licensed or a clinician uh but from"}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:03", "text": ">> but you could talk like a friend."}, {"start": "02:48:01", "end": "02:48:05", "text": ">> Yeah and and also saying but I do have a"}, {"start": "02:48:03", "end": "02:48:08", "text": "lot of clinically adjacent experience."}, {"start": "02:48:05", "end": "02:48:11", "text": "Um the first thing is proving it is"}, {"start": "02:48:08", "end": "02:48:13", "text": "irrelevant. Um I've seen a lot of people"}, {"start": "02:48:11", "end": "02:48:15", "text": "who are like but if I don't get this"}, {"start": "02:48:13", "end": "02:48:18", "text": "documentation and if somebody doesn't"}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:20", "text": "come and say this is real. Um now by the"}, {"start": "02:48:18", "end": "02:48:23", "text": "way that can be dangerous in the sense"}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:26", "text": "of um every night 15 demons come to me"}, {"start": "02:48:23", "end": "02:48:28", "text": "and fairies you know like okay maybe you"}, {"start": "02:48:26", "end": "02:48:31", "text": "need to go talk to somebody right. Uh so"}, {"start": "02:48:28", "end": "02:48:34", "text": "barring uh a tendency towards psychosis"}, {"start": "02:48:31", "end": "02:48:35", "text": "um I I don't think that proving it is"}, {"start": "02:48:34", "end": "02:48:37", "text": "actually the best thing for mental"}, {"start": "02:48:35", "end": "02:48:39", "text": "health. I think instead you need to"}, {"start": "02:48:37", "end": "02:48:41", "text": "maybe do a little bit of therapy"}, {"start": "02:48:39", "end": "02:48:44", "text": "shopping. Um, you know, because again,"}, {"start": "02:48:41", "end": "02:48:46", "text": "I'm not gonna I'm not critiquing"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:48", "text": "therapy, but um, all doctors are not"}, {"start": "02:48:46", "end": "02:48:48", "text": "good doctors. All therapists are not"}, {"start": "02:48:48", "end": "02:48:49", "text": "good therapists."}, {"start": "02:48:48", "end": "02:48:51", "text": ">> True."}, {"start": "02:48:49", "end": "02:48:53", "text": ">> All everything are not good everything."}, {"start": "02:48:51", "end": "02:48:55", "text": "All teachers are not good teachers. Um,"}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:48:55", "text": ">> even chemistry is important for the"}, {"start": "02:48:55", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "therapist."}, {"start": "02:48:55", "end": "02:48:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, and you know, honestly, the"}, {"start": "02:48:57", "end": "02:49:00", "text": "the, you know, BetterHelp and the other"}, {"start": "02:48:58", "end": "02:49:03", "text": "online therapeutic, you know, it makes"}, {"start": "02:49:00", "end": "02:49:05", "text": "it easy now. Um, and so you may have to"}, {"start": "02:49:03", "end": "02:49:07", "text": "do some shopping. Um, but I think you"}, {"start": "02:49:05", "end": "02:49:10", "text": "should be talking to someone and I think"}, {"start": "02:49:07", "end": "02:49:14", "text": "the goal should be engaging in safe"}, {"start": "02:49:10", "end": "02:49:18", "text": "appropriate behaviors, right? Um, that"}, {"start": "02:49:14", "end": "02:49:19", "text": "help you cope and feel better. Um, no"}, {"start": "02:49:18", "end": "02:49:22", "text": "one"}, {"start": "02:49:19", "end": "02:49:26", "text": "there is no version of psychology where"}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:29", "text": "feeling like a victim is a good thing."}, {"start": "02:49:26", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "you know, when you steal power from an"}, {"start": "02:49:29", "end": "02:49:33", "text": "individual, and there's all sorts of"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:35", "text": "studies that demonstrate this, um, when"}, {"start": "02:49:33", "end": "02:49:37", "text": "you when you take away your sense of"}, {"start": "02:49:35", "end": "02:49:41", "text": "autonomy, your sense of power and"}, {"start": "02:49:37", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "choice, when you feel victimized,"}, {"start": "02:49:41", "end": "02:49:45", "text": "um, that's not a good psychological"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:47", "text": "state to be in. It It's not healthy for"}, {"start": "02:49:45", "end": "02:49:49", "text": "the human being. Um, I think of learned"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:50", "text": "helplessness back in the day where they"}, {"start": "02:49:49", "end": "02:49:53", "text": "shocked the dogs to the point in the"}, {"start": "02:49:50", "end": "02:49:55", "text": "cage where they no longer even tried."}, {"start": "02:49:53", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "Um, but but this is and this is going to"}, {"start": "02:49:55", "end": "02:50:01", "text": "sound a little bit like a a self-help"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "book. You're never truly a victim."}, {"start": "02:50:01", "end": "02:50:05", "text": "You always have choices. They may not be"}, {"start": "02:50:02", "end": "02:50:07", "text": "good choices, but you always have"}, {"start": "02:50:05", "end": "02:50:10", "text": "choices. And if that means finding a"}, {"start": "02:50:07", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "therapist or a support group where if"}, {"start": "02:50:10", "end": "02:50:14", "text": "nothing else, you can just practically"}, {"start": "02:50:12", "end": "02:50:15", "text": "say, \"Okay, whether it's ridiculous or"}, {"start": "02:50:14", "end": "02:50:16", "text": "not, or whether someone else would"}, {"start": "02:50:15", "end": "02:50:20", "text": "approve of this or not, if it's safe and"}, {"start": "02:50:16", "end": "02:50:24", "text": "it's not dangerous, what can I do to"}, {"start": "02:50:20", "end": "02:50:26", "text": "make me feel better about this?\" That's"}, {"start": "02:50:24", "end": "02:50:28", "text": "what you should be doing."}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:30", "text": "Um, you know, again, your personal"}, {"start": "02:50:28", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "experiences, if they're traumatic, are"}, {"start": "02:50:30", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "your personal experiences, and you have"}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:38", "text": "the autonomy and the right to confront"}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:41", "text": "those in a hopefully a helpful way. And"}, {"start": "02:50:38", "end": "02:50:43", "text": "again, get consultation. You know, g get"}, {"start": "02:50:41", "end": "02:50:45", "text": "a therapist, talk with them about what"}, {"start": "02:50:43", "end": "02:50:48", "text": "steps could I take. Um, you know, just"}, {"start": "02:50:45", "end": "02:50:48", "text": "anxiety. EMDR works pretty well."}, {"start": "02:50:48", "end": "02:50:50", "text": ">> EMDR."}, {"start": "02:50:48", "end": "02:50:52", "text": ">> Um, yeah. Uh, I can't even remember what"}, {"start": "02:50:50", "end": "02:50:53", "text": "it stands for. Essentially, faking rapid"}, {"start": "02:50:52", "end": "02:50:54", "text": "eye movement."}, {"start": "02:50:53", "end": "02:50:56", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "02:50:54", "end": "02:50:57", "text": ">> Yes. uh that you do uh in your stage"}, {"start": "02:50:56", "end": "02:50:59", "text": "four sleep"}, {"start": "02:50:57", "end": "02:51:02", "text": ">> uh for some reason tends to help people"}, {"start": "02:50:59", "end": "02:51:03", "text": "delge anxiety."}, {"start": "02:51:02", "end": "02:51:04", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "02:51:03", "end": "02:51:07", "text": ">> Well, because if you think about like"}, {"start": "02:51:04", "end": "02:51:10", "text": "what anxiety is, it's a persistent state"}, {"start": "02:51:07", "end": "02:51:12", "text": "of uh of fear that you can't it's broken"}, {"start": "02:51:10", "end": "02:51:13", "text": "tape, right? It keeps replaying. It's"}, {"start": "02:51:12", "end": "02:51:15", "text": "you know it's not rational."}, {"start": "02:51:13", "end": "02:51:17", "text": ">> You you know it's not rational,"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:20", "text": ">> but it keeps hitting you. You can't seem"}, {"start": "02:51:17", "end": "02:51:22", "text": "to get rid of it. EM EMDR seems to help"}, {"start": "02:51:20", "end": "02:51:24", "text": "some people just spending two minutes"}, {"start": "02:51:22", "end": "02:51:25", "text": "closing your eyes and doing that back"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "and forth eye motion."}, {"start": "02:51:25", "end": "02:51:28", "text": ">> I'll go through three days where I'm"}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:31", "text": "just living on cortisol and it sucks."}, {"start": "02:51:28", "end": "02:51:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Um there's meditation techniques"}, {"start": "02:51:31", "end": "02:51:33", "text": "uh and you know you don't have to go"}, {"start": "02:51:32", "end": "02:51:34", "text": "into esoteric meditation. There's a"}, {"start": "02:51:33", "end": "02:51:37", "text": "whole lot of studies showing that"}, {"start": "02:51:34", "end": "02:51:39", "text": "meditation uh will help with some panic"}, {"start": "02:51:37", "end": "02:51:40", "text": "and in some cases even alleviate some"}, {"start": "02:51:39", "end": "02:51:43", "text": "PTSD symptoms."}, {"start": "02:51:40", "end": "02:51:44", "text": ">> What would your grandmother say?"}, {"start": "02:51:43", "end": "02:51:46", "text": ">> Pray about it."}, {"start": "02:51:44", "end": "02:51:47", "text": ">> She'd say pray about it."}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Grandma would say pray about"}, {"start": "02:51:47", "end": "02:51:50", "text": "it. a and grandma would be like, \"Well,"}, {"start": "02:51:49", "end": "02:51:52", "text": "what are you gonna go out and do about"}, {"start": "02:51:50", "end": "02:51:54", "text": "it?\" You know, that's something I think"}, {"start": "02:51:52", "end": "02:51:57", "text": "that is missing from our culture"}, {"start": "02:51:54", "end": "02:51:58", "text": "nowadays, which is you still get to make"}, {"start": "02:51:57", "end": "02:52:00", "text": "choices."}, {"start": "02:51:58", "end": "02:52:01", "text": "You still get to make choices and even"}, {"start": "02:52:00", "end": "02:52:02", "text": "if they're bad choices, eventually"}, {"start": "02:52:01", "end": "02:52:04", "text": "you'll come to some options that aren't"}, {"start": "02:52:02", "end": "02:52:08", "text": "bad choices."}, {"start": "02:52:04", "end": "02:52:11", "text": "Um because, you know, this is certainly"}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:14", "text": "my personal perspective. Um the world"}, {"start": "02:52:11", "end": "02:52:18", "text": "has suffering in it and none of us are"}, {"start": "02:52:14", "end": "02:52:20", "text": "going to escape that. Not all of it. Um,"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:22", "text": "and in kind of a broader philosophical"}, {"start": "02:52:20", "end": "02:52:25", "text": "perspective, we wouldn't like the world"}, {"start": "02:52:22", "end": "02:52:27", "text": "if we did alleviate suffering because"}, {"start": "02:52:25", "end": "02:52:30", "text": "for any grizzled individual that you've"}, {"start": "02:52:27", "end": "02:52:33", "text": "ever talked to with wisdom, uh, they"}, {"start": "02:52:30", "end": "02:52:35", "text": "they will say that sucked. But I learned"}, {"start": "02:52:33", "end": "02:52:37", "text": "some of my most valuable life-changing"}, {"start": "02:52:35", "end": "02:52:38", "text": "lessons through that."}, {"start": "02:52:37", "end": "02:52:40", "text": ">> 100% true."}, {"start": "02:52:38", "end": "02:52:41", "text": ">> I'm not and by the way, I'm not"}, {"start": "02:52:40", "end": "02:52:42", "text": "justifying what happened to someone in"}, {"start": "02:52:41", "end": "02:52:44", "text": "any way, shape, or form. Like, bad"}, {"start": "02:52:42", "end": "02:52:48", "text": "things happen to people and it's not"}, {"start": "02:52:44", "end": "02:52:50", "text": "fair. Um, but I think when we whether"}, {"start": "02:52:48", "end": "02:52:52", "text": "it's paranormal or otherwise, we can't"}, {"start": "02:52:50", "end": "02:52:55", "text": "let people take our ability to choose"}, {"start": "02:52:52", "end": "02:52:57", "text": "and make choices."}, {"start": "02:52:55", "end": "02:53:00", "text": "Um, and if we remember that and we have"}, {"start": "02:52:57", "end": "02:53:02", "text": "agency again, you know, work, it's work"}, {"start": "02:53:00", "end": "02:53:04", "text": "and it's effort. There is no magic pill."}, {"start": "02:53:02", "end": "02:53:05", "text": "Uh, despite what you know, Fiser might"}, {"start": "02:53:04", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "tell you, there is no [laughter] magic"}, {"start": "02:53:05", "end": "02:53:09", "text": "pill. Um, but you know, if you've had a"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:12", "text": "series of terrifying paranormal"}, {"start": "02:53:09", "end": "02:53:14", "text": "experiences, then make yourself be"}, {"start": "02:53:12", "end": "02:53:16", "text": "motivated to learn more about it and"}, {"start": "02:53:14", "end": "02:53:21", "text": "learn possible techniques that you can"}, {"start": "02:53:16", "end": "02:53:24", "text": "use to take control back over the agency"}, {"start": "02:53:21", "end": "02:53:26", "text": "that you feel was taken from you."}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:28", "text": ">> Well said, Dr. Brian Le. Thank you for"}, {"start": "02:53:26", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "coming in today. It's been fun."}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "Everybody,"}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:34", "text": ">> that was Dr. Brian Le. He said he won't"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:36", "text": "die on the hill of his own EMF data"}, {"start": "02:53:34", "end": "02:53:40", "text": "until somebody else replicates it. So I"}, {"start": "02:53:36", "end": "02:53:42", "text": "would look it. Nobody has yet, but it's"}, {"start": "02:53:40", "end": "02:53:44", "text": "in print. [music] In 2013, he and K."}, {"start": "02:53:42", "end": "02:53:46", "text": "Owen published the first study in the"}, {"start": "02:53:44", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "journal of parasychology. A house had no"}, {"start": "02:53:46", "end": "02:53:49", "text": "electricity [music] and the"}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:51", "text": "electromagnetic field still wiggled"}, {"start": "02:53:49", "end": "02:53:53", "text": "before weird things happened. Two more"}, {"start": "02:53:51", "end": "02:53:55", "text": "studies found the same [music] pattern,"}, {"start": "02:53:53", "end": "02:53:57", "text": "both his. He told you that before I"}, {"start": "02:53:55", "end": "02:53:59", "text": "could, which is my favorite kind of"}, {"start": "02:53:57", "end": "02:54:01", "text": "guest. Now, directory in Cincinnati."}, {"start": "02:53:59", "end": "02:54:03", "text": "Brian says a teammate went blank and"}, {"start": "02:54:01", "end": "02:54:05", "text": "fought her way out of a saltwater circle"}, {"start": "02:54:03", "end": "02:54:08", "text": "[music] he drew around her. When she got"}, {"start": "02:54:05", "end": "02:54:10", "text": "out, she said, \"I broke your circle.\""}, {"start": "02:54:08", "end": "02:54:12", "text": "Now, the possession I can't check the"}, {"start": "02:54:10", "end": "02:54:14", "text": "building. I can Ghost Adventures [music]"}, {"start": "02:54:12", "end": "02:54:16", "text": "shot there in 2012. Brian told the"}, {"start": "02:54:14", "end": "02:54:19", "text": "owners to close it, and last I could"}, {"start": "02:54:16", "end": "02:54:21", "text": "find, the current owner was turning it"}, {"start": "02:54:19", "end": "02:54:23", "text": "into an Airbnb."}, {"start": "02:54:21", "end": "02:54:25", "text": "Hard pass. I'm not a complete believer,"}, {"start": "02:54:23", "end": "02:54:28", "text": "but Brian debunked his own haunted house"}, {"start": "02:54:25", "end": "02:54:29", "text": "backstory [music] and published anyway."}, {"start": "02:54:28", "end": "02:54:32", "text": "That's a believer. I'll listen to all"}, {"start": "02:54:29", "end": "02:54:33", "text": "day long. His book is ghosted on Amazon"}, {"start": "02:54:32", "end": "02:54:36", "text": "and his institute [music] is at"}, {"start": "02:54:33", "end": "02:54:38", "text": "israionet.org. That's Israel without the"}, {"start": "02:54:36", "end": "02:54:40", "text": "L. And everything I mentioned is linked"}, {"start": "02:54:38", "end": "02:54:42", "text": "down below. Until next time, be safe,"}, {"start": "02:54:40", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "[music] be kind, and know that you are"}, {"start": "02:54:42", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "appreciated."}, {"start": "02:54:47", "end": "02:54:50", "text": "[bell]"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:04", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "02:54:59", "end": "02:55:06", "text": ">> I play in area 51. A secret code inside"}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:08", "text": "the Bible [music] said I [singing]"}, {"start": "02:55:06", "end": "02:55:12", "text": "would."}, {"start": "02:55:08", "end": "02:55:15", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranal [singing] fun"}, {"start": "02:55:12", "end": "02:55:17", "text": "as well as music [music] singing like I"}, {"start": "02:55:15", "end": "02:55:20", "text": "should."}, {"start": "02:55:17", "end": "02:55:23", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "02:55:20", "end": "02:55:26", "text": "[music] becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"start": "02:55:23", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "And it never ends."}, {"start": "02:55:26", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "02:55:35", "end": "02:55:39", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:55:36", "end": "02:55:45", "text": "I feel the crap. I got stuck inside M's"}, {"start": "02:55:39", "end": "02:55:45", "text": "home with MKL being only twoear."}, {"start": "02:55:46", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "Did Stanley Cubric [music] fake the moon"}, {"start": "02:55:48", "end": "02:55:55", "text": "landing alone on a film set? I would"}, {"start": "02:55:51", "end": "02:55:57", "text": "shadow people [singing] there."}, {"start": "02:55:55", "end": "02:56:01", "text": "The Roswell [music] aliens just thought"}, {"start": "02:55:57", "end": "02:56:03", "text": "the smiling man. I'm told"}, {"start": "02:56:01", "end": "02:56:05", "text": "and his name was cold. But I"}, {"start": "02:56:03", "end": "02:56:08", "text": "[music and singing] can't agree. I'm"}, {"start": "02:56:05", "end": "02:56:13", "text": "dancing with the fishes"}, {"start": "02:56:08", "end": "02:56:16", "text": "on Thursday night with [music] J and"}, {"start": "02:56:13", "end": "02:56:16", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:56:17", "end": "02:56:23", "text": "All I ever wanted [music] was to hear"}, {"start": "02:56:20", "end": "02:56:26", "text": "the truth. with one of your feet through"}, {"start": "02:56:23", "end": "02:56:26", "text": "the night."}, {"start": "02:56:30", "end": "02:56:32", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:56:37", "end": "02:56:39", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:56:42", "end": "02:56:47", "text": "[music] The M sidings and the solar"}, {"start": "02:56:44", "end": "02:56:51", "text": "storm still come to gather [music] the"}, {"start": "02:56:47", "end": "02:56:51", "text": "secret city underground."}, {"start": "02:56:52", "end": "02:56:57", "text": "Mysterious number stations, [music]"}, {"start": "02:56:54", "end": "02:57:01", "text": "planet circle to project star gate and"}, {"start": "02:56:57", "end": "02:57:04", "text": "what the dark watchers found. [music]"}, {"start": "02:57:01", "end": "02:57:08", "text": "We're in a simulation. Don't you worry"}, {"start": "02:57:04", "end": "02:57:11", "text": "though the black night satellite"}, {"start": "02:57:08", "end": "02:57:14", "text": "to me. Oh, I can't [music] believe I'm"}, {"start": "02:57:11", "end": "02:57:17", "text": "dancing with the fish"}, {"start": "02:57:14", "end": "02:57:19", "text": "on Thursday nights when they chase you"}, {"start": "02:57:17", "end": "02:57:22", "text": "and weapons [music] me all through the"}, {"start": "02:57:19", "end": "02:57:22", "text": "night."}, {"start": "02:57:23", "end": "02:57:27", "text": "[music] All I ever wanted was to hear"}, {"start": "02:57:26", "end": "02:57:32", "text": "the truth."}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:32", "text": "with me all through the night."}, {"start": "02:57:33", "end": "02:57:41", "text": "[music] Thursday night when they change"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:41", "text": "you and me all through the night"}, {"start": "02:57:46", "end": "02:57:51", "text": "with me all through the night."}, {"start": "02:57:57", "end": "02:58:01", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "02:57:58", "end": "02:58:01", "text": ">> dance."}, {"start": "02:58:02", "end": "02:58:08", "text": "Loves to dance."}, {"start": "02:58:05", "end": "02:58:11", "text": "Yeah, loves to dance [music] on the"}, {"start": "02:58:08", "end": "02:58:15", "text": "dance floor because she is a camel."}, {"start": "02:58:11", "end": "02:58:16", "text": "Camels love to dance when the feeling is"}, {"start": "02:58:15", "end": "02:58:20", "text": "right"}, {"start": "02:58:16", "end": "02:58:20", "text": "in time."}, {"start": "02:58:21", "end": "02:58:24", "text": "Heat. Heat. [music]"}, {"start": "02:58:30", "end": "02:58:32", "text": ">> [bell]"}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Hey ninjas, welcome to the show. Guess"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "what? Pastors were gathered all over the"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "nation and they are debriefed by"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "government and intelligence officials"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "about the upcoming alien invasion. Is it"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "a deception? Is it real? Probably a"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "deception. We're going to talk about it."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> And the US Navy is strapping bombs to"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "dolphins, ladies and gentlemen. They've"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "been doing it since Vietnam. It's a wild"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "ride."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Last week we talked about Russian"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "cryptids. This week we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Alaska and Appalachia. And there's more"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "connections than you can even imagine."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "It's going to be nuts. And unless you're"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "trapped in a double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> This podcast is brought to you empowered"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "by Sunday. So watch this or listen."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> A double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Oh, that that's what she said."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> A double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> A double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> That sounds like a ding double"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "inception. A deception."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Really quick, if you could put any kind"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "of AI crazy image underneath a picture"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "of a t-shirt for a transition to the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "next segment, like what would be there?"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Uh, Nessie."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> What's Nessie doing? Vladimir Putin's"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "wearing the shirt on Nessie."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> What are you talking about?"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> You'll see."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Andrew. And Andrew is getting me snacks"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "every episode."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> That's very nice."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Maybe you want something."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": ">> Money, perhaps."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> Money."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "trying to bribe you or something."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> It's a cool jacket."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> You think"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> we bought that for the 80s video, didn't"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "we? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> Uh, a fan sent us that a long time ago."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Oh, really? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> We used it for the 80s video for sure."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> I have to wear a jacket because it's"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "flipping cold in here."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> It is cold. I literally I I just told"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "you I had to leave the office because I"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "couldn't focus. My legs were too cold"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "and I I was like, I will work from home."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "I can't do this right now. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "bring in a blanket. What personality"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "type exists where there's one person in"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "the room that likes this temperature and"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "they win the temperature gauge? What"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "personality type is that?"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> So, a control freak who gets their own"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "way."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> That's me."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> No, I like it cold."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> Andrew, you're too cold."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> My thing is if you're cold, what's it"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "with the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> We can get warm. You can get warm in"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "here. We got sweaters, Sunny Cooled"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "Prince blankets. We can get warm. If"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "you're hot,"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "you can't get cold unless you get a"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "bucket of ice to put your feet in."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Truth."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> And that's just uncomfortable. Then you"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "got wet, cold feet. And we know what"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "happens when you get cold feet."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> What happens?"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> You leave them at the altar."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:42", "text": ">> Families are ruined."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Speaking of leaving people"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "at the altar,"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": ">> Pride and Prejudice."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> Remind me. What? What's that one?"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> Are you serious?"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> No, I'm joking. Go. I just learned this."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "It's so gossipy though. It's like almost"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "not worth talking about. And I also"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "don't know if it's true. Rosman Pike it"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "plays uh Jane Bennett,"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> her sister, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, the most beautiful woman"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "in the entire world."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> She plays Jane Bennett."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> Get this. Before they started filming"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "this movie, she and Bingley, the actor"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "that plays Bingley, who she marries in"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "Pride and Prejudice."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Who she marries in Pride and Prejudice."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Yeah. were engaged to one another."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> And apparently she made the save the"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "date invitations and like didn't run him"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "past him and it was like a cheeky"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "picture of them in the tub or something."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Just like a silly picture."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> And he was so embarrassed that he called"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "off the wedding like and ghosted her."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> And then they never resolve and then"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "they go to film Pride and Prejudice"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "together as each other's love interests."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> That's rough. That's crazy. That's"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "actually nuts."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Is it true? I don't know. I just saw"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "someone talking about it, but I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> what are you talking about?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> That is the craziest story in the world."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Also, breaking up with Roseman Pike."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Yeah, you the bag."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> I would."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Because I got Because you"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> I know,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> dude. Nice, Lily. I know."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Never break up with her."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> I know you feel like you're behind on"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "your knitting project, but you got to"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "eat the mic."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> I can move like this."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> There you go. Speaking of knitting and"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "being cold, shout out to Ashley and"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Lindsay who are literally building my"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "t-shirt blanket right now."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> I did mess up."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Incredible pe. Guess what? Guess who's"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "not going to mess up? Lindsay and"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Ashley."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": ">> Thank you so much to everyone who"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "emailed me. I had like 60 people"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> that's so cool"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> email me about this t-shirt goal. And I"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "I'm saving all y'all's emails and I"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "appreciate everyone that reached out"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "because I'm gonna have more t-shirts"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "later on and I may reach out to you. Um,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "but I had to pick uh two people because"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "I had so many shirts and um, man, it's"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "gonna be awesome. I have a lady Ashley."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "She lives in the bush in Alaska."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> Got a story for her today."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> Things are like get shipped by like"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "planes up there."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> That's so"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> takes forever. It's going to be dope."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "Can't wait. So, shout out to y'all. I"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "love you all. Appreciate you. Also,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "shout out to everyone that comments on"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "this video, this podcast episode,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "because we are choosing one winner a"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "week, people to send some Ninja merch,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "too. And we got some new Ninja merch in"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "the works, so you might get some new"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Um, but yeah, if you comment, like,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "share, make sure you're subscribed. It"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "helps out a ton."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> And it's not like just a sticker. I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "sending this out personally, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "telling you, it could be a hat and a"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "shirt and socks. It could be stickers."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "It could be literally a whole mess of"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "things. I'm getting messages from people"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "back. They're like, \"Hey, I got my swag."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Thank you so much just for commenting."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "This is great.\" So, what do they have to"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "comment?"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> something nice."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Something nice about who?"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Uh, me."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> You got spoiled. You We've been doubling"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "up on Give it to Andrew."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> Give it to Andrew. He just had Didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "you just have"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": ">> a baby? I didn't just have a kid."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": ">> OH MY GOSH."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> He's healthy. Healthy baby boy. Dude,"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> I can't wait. I can't wait till Noah's"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "like 12 and we're still doing this."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "Dude, he's doing good. He had a gnarly"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "regression last night, though. We were"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "getting four or five hours and then"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "about two and a half, three hours in, he"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "just lost it. Like Paige was like, \"What"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "did you I was changing him.\" She's like,"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "\"What did you do to him?\" I was like, \"I"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "promise you nothing.\" Just screaming."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> I just I pinched him. You have to pinch"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "him before you change the diaper, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Oh, is that the hack?"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> I will say, get him allergy tested. Our"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "dear Zoe Love is severely allergic to"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "eggs and she's getting an EpiPen for a"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "baby."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> That's scary."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> Eggs."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Our dear Zoe."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Eggs are in so much."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> And if Jamie eats eggs, then Zoe eats"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "eggs."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> Man."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> Yeah. He's been he's been good. He just"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "he was just on one."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> being a baby. Excellent at all."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Nice."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:02", "text": ">> Sorry, I didn't mean to make a yolk"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "right there."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": ">> I went I went to the I went to the"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "doctor"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> yesterday."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Cracked her up. What's up?"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> Went to the doctor yesterday."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> I can't stop."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> This podcast is scrambled."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> It's so good."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> All right, everyone."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> You went to the doctor yesterday."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> I was trying to think of an egg bun."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> Oh, god."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "uh and I asked him, my doctor's so"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "funny. He's just like so nonchalant."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "He's like, \"Yeah, your cholesterol looks"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "looking good.\" He's doing great. Any any"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "questions? I'm like, \"I've never asked"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "you,"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "but I've been peeing so much ever since"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "a child. I pee so much.\" Yeah. Like a"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "crazy amount. He's like, \"Can you get up"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "in the middle of the night to pee?\" I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "like, \"Every night?\""}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> He's like, \"Oh, yeah. Well, we can just"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "write you a prescription. They can help"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "that.\" Like, it's that it's been that"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "easy."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> What are you talking about? You've never"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "talked to your doctor about this?"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> No. I mean, because I went through the"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "whole thing with the urologist way back"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "in the day. They're like, \"Sorry, bud."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "You're just going to pee a lot for the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "rest of your life.\""}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> That's the first step, isn't it?"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> The first step. First step, SHA GBT."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Second step, doctor."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> This is your own fault. You've been"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "putting yourself through pain, bro."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> I know. Well, we're going to see how it"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "works. He's like, \"Side effects are dry"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "mouth and constipation.\" I said, \"I'll"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "take it.\""}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> Well, let's go. Sounds like two fixes,"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "though."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> We're going to do a little bit more"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "Googling before we say yes."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> So, you've had it ever since you've had"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "a baby, correct? Yeah. Maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "stretched out urethra."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> Uh, dude, we got guys, we got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "stuff to talk about today."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> So much stuff teas."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Aliens,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> kamicazi dolphins,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> pastors talking about aliens."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Oo, I'm completely out of the loop on"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "that. Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> Well, here's the thing, too, guys."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> We're two weeks ahead. So, everything we"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "talk about"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> is right now."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> Is right. It's happening right now."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "So, we apologize and we know some of you"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "don't like it, but it'll just be a"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "little refresher. And it's like you're"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "looking into a time machine and seeing"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "us experience it now. And in two weeks,"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "the world could be different."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> You're looking at us now, you're like,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "you silly boys, you were completely off."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> You get to be like a time traveler."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> No, like I I think the problem is people"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "are addicted to their phones and they're"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "getting all of their information from a"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "ton of different places. We're trying to"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "provide a service so that you can come"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "to us, get your news, and not be caught"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "up in the hysteria, get it a couple"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "weeks later, let it calm down,"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> and it'll be"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> digested. Digested."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Wasn't those last two weeks pretty"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "crazy, guys?"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Take a deep breath. You're with ninjas"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "or butterflies."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> All your friends are losing it. You feel"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "fine."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Speaking of losing it,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> you want to sh"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Hey, real quick."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Mime yell at Andy. Huh?"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> MIME. YELLOW."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> THAT'S not a mime. That's not a mime."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "Mime. That would be because you have to"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "really."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. That's Andy content."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": ">> Show them"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "silly."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "All right. There we go."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> Song time. Song time."}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> Why are you taking pictures?"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Why not?"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:10", "text": ">> Social media."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": ">> Oh, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> we're a threeman team here. We ain't got"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "like some some interns in the back."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> No, we're four men. She's going to take"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "pictures during the song."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> Cool. I can do that."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> There you go."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Trust me."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> Trust me."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": ">> Trust me."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> Drops it immediately."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> It's a long song."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> When you're done with that, you can just"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "set it in the corner."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Set it on the food."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "It's 900 a.m. and we're doing our"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "podcast. We're here to sing you a song,"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "but something feels off. I'm not really"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "sure, but singing right now feels wrong."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "We need something good. And we need"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "something better. Something that feels"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "trueer."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "So, I guess we'll just jump right into"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "it. Today's question sent in by a"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "viewer."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "You have a seat."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Why don't you go have a seat?"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Put down the camera."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> What's going on?"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> Today's question sent in by a viewer."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "Gosh,"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Lily, is being famous hard?"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "I can imagine for famous people it has"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": ">> it's a yes or no. We know you know how"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "this goes. Is being famous hard?"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "for famous people. Yes."}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Is famous or no?"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> Is famous?"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> Don't laugh, please."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> Please stop."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": ">> Is being famous hard?"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> Is being famous hard? Yes or no? Li."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Oh, money weird."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> So, you think you're famous? Huh? Seems"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "kind of pretentious"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "that you would just say that right out"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "the gate. Like just Yeah, it's hard."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> I think you focus on your answer. What"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "about you? Being famous is hard, Lil."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "What's hard about it?"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> For those who are famous,"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:13", "text": ">> you just said"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> you were famous."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> We asked you the question. Is being"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "famous hard? You said yes."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> You didn't hesitate."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": ">> There's no hesitation."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> You didn't say um You didn't try to"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "weasle your way out of the question. You"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "said yes."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:25", "text": ">> Do you really think of yourself that"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "way?"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:27", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> Oh, look at her putting her shades on."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Miss Miss Famous, you got to hide"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "hide from the paparazzi, I guess."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": ">> Miss Hollywood over here."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": ">> Yeah. What kind of person wears glasses"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "inside?"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> As soon as she walks in here, she puts"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "on a jacket that's not even hers. We"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "told her, \"Please don't wear that.\" She"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "grabs it anyway. Says, \"This is mine. I"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "don't care what you say.\" Puts on her"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "glasses."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:45", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": ">> Steals Andrew's camera."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> She told I told her it was too loud for"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "the podcast and she was like, \"It'll be"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "fine. Fix it and post.\""}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> That's sick."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> She said, \"That's not my job. That's not"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "my prop.\""}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:55", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> And I'm pretty sure there's a racial"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "slur in there."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> Well, I couldn't tell if that's what she"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "was doing, but"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> our goal is to not be famous. Our goal"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "is to just have fun. Spread the love of"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "Jesus."}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> Make him famous."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> Make him famous. Jesus Christ increase"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "decrease."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:12", "text": ">> Yes, I know."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:12", "text": ">> As long as you're up there with them,"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": ">> Why is it so hard to be famous?"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": ">> I didn't I wasn't relating it to myself."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": ">> You said yes. We asked you, is it hard"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "being famous? You said yes. That's"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "exactly what you did."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> I'm being empathetic to famous people."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> That's it."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> I don't know. That is it."}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:30", "text": ">> Would you ever say that you're"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "empathetic to yourself?"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "Yeah, I got"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> Okay, so then you just put right there."}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "That's what exactly what you just said."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": ">> All right, guys. Well, I guess you heard"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "her here first. I don't know what's"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "happening."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": ">> Is too good for us. Too good for you."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": ">> She I'm pretty sure she's going to go"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "start her own podcast."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> that's what she's The rumors are saying."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> Well, guys, I guess the next couple"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "episodes you'll know if she's going to"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "be a part of this podcast or not."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": ">> I guess so."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": ">> Welcome to the show."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> Did I say ninja?"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "I meant butterfly."}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> The butterfly is no doubt one of the"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "most"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "empty your mind."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> You were martial arts."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": ">> The funny thing is I might not be a part"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "of the next few episodes."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> That's the joke, Lil."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:22", "text": ">> I see. I see."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> And then we should pretend we should"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "make another podcast."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Oh, that's so funny."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "Maybe one day I would do another"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "podcast, but I would do it about mom"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "stuff and lady stuff."}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": ">> Ew."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": ">> And gossip stuff and Ew, gross. And"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "movies, gossip."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> You guys need to do another show, too."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "For real. I've been on Josh about making"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "a kids show."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": ">> We'll do it."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> Would you guys like that if we did a"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "kids show?"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> A lot of people, we used to do a thing"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "for uh it was grow. It was a Grow"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "curriculum and I did uh did my my Carl"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "character. A lot of kids loved it. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "we're thinking of doing like a"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": ">> like a kids Carl podcast. It' be like a"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "15 minute episode thing."}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": ">> I literally did the Bible um Bible class"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "last week at my girls's co-op and they"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "and they watch Grow TV and they freaked"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "out when you called. They freaked out"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "when I showed up."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": ">> They're very very silent."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": ">> I mean, yeah. I mean, that's what"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "happens most of the time. They were"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "excited though. They asked a ton of"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> Um and"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> what happened?"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> I don't know. He just left. It's okay."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "Well, he'll come back. He always comes"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "back, right? What are you looking at"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "your phone for?"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> I got a text. I wondered if it was him"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "saying, \"Emergency, emergency.\""}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> I doubt he would text you"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> in our Ninja Clan chat, not just me."}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> There's no way he would text you. You're"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "too famous."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": ">> Talking about this kid show, I foresee"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "it being very silly. But we could do"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "something like a Bible verse. Maybe we"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "talk to an actual teacher like your mom"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "or something and get ideas about what to"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "say on the show"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": ">> and then maybe we do like a periodic"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "table segment"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": ">> where you guys where you guys go through"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "all the elements of the periodic table"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "each episode you cover one"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:07", "text": ">> but they're all wrong."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": ">> And but there's props and so it's like"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "here's uranium and it's like Josh's"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "hands melt off"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> and it like turn into a skeleton"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": ">> and it's just green slime or something."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "Just very silly."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": ">> Yeah. When you touch uranium, you see"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "the future."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:24", "text": ">> wait, would you let your kids consume"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't know what happened in the"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "parking lot. I got a message that my"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "alarm was going off. Went out there,"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "turned mine off, and someone else's was"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "going off, too."}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:35", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "earthquake."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": ">> Speaking of earthquakes,"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": ">> all the earthquakes"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> there was, did you see? I mean, the a"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "couple weeks ago there was like four or"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "seven earthquakes all around Area 51."}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": ">> Really? No, I didn't see that."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": ">> They got to be doing stuff underground"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": ">> sure. For sure."}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": ">> So, our neighbor just had fiber optic"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "put in and uh Paige said, I mean, you"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "know, they're just digging like a little"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "tunnel, you know, with that boring"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "machine, but Paige said the whole house"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "was just like violent. Like she was"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "like, \"It sounds like a car is driving"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "under our house right now.\" But you"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "think about, you know, we're talking a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": ">> build an underground city."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:16", "text": ">> Yeah. The difference. Yeah. It's going"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "to shake everything up."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": ">> Dude, your house is turning 100 years"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "old next year."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:20", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> You should throw a party."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:22", "text": ">> Centennial."}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": ">> I should."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": ">> Dude, what if we did like the Bilbo"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "thing like actually in the field?"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": ">> Oh, that would be so fun."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": ">> The Shire party."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> Show up in character."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> Who you going to be?"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": ">> Me?"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": ">> Mhm. Um"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "Gandalf."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:41", "text": ">> Yeah, of course."}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:44", "text": ">> Chucks."}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:44", "text": ">> Yeah, I'll be an elf. I'll be a female"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "elf."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:47", "text": ">> Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "dibs."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": ">> Too bad you're literally said it first."}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": ">> Aragon. Yeah, my eyes are going to close"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "together like"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": ">> I don't She says that and I don't"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "understand what"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:58", "text": ">> Aragon."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": ">> Vgo Morrison. Morgus."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:00", "text": ">> Aragorn."}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": ">> Aragon."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": ">> Vgo Morgan or Moren. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:05", "text": ">> He's very handsome, but he's um closed"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "together."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:07", "text": ">> His eyes are closed together. I don't"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "agree with that."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": ">> I've thought in my whole life."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:11", "text": ">> Who in your family looks like Sid the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "sloth"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": ">> to make you think that that's normal?"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> Wait,"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> he looks pretty normal."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": ">> he looks pretty normal. Not saying that"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "people aren't normal that have eyes"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "close together."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": ">> I'm not saying he's ugly."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": ">> That's not what I'm saying."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:26", "text": ">> I'm saying are just very close together."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": ">> I think his eyes are normal, but I think"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "he's just got a lot of space on the"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "sides that make it look like they're"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "closer. He got them cheekbones."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": ">> A lot of people have like the square"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "head where the eyes are like the edge of"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "their face. I think he just has more"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "room."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:41", "text": ">> It also doesn't matter at all."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> Apparently it does. Apparently it does."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": ">> Why did you bring it up?"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": ">> Was it Mary or Pippen that he kissed in"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "one of the uh like the celebratory"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "scenes, but it wasn't scripted. Have you"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "seen that clip? No. I'll pull it. Okay."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "Remind me to go back to that. I'll pull"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "it up while we're talking."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": ">> Imagine if you were like when you first"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "met Lily or like on your wedding day,"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "you were like, \"By the way, your eyes"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "are like really close together.\" But"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "you're like, \"But it doesn't matter at"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "all.\""}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:03", "text": ">> He said some crazy."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:03", "text": ">> That's a crazy thing to say."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> Me?"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": ">> Say it."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": ">> I'm not."}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> You can't do that. You got to say"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "something. You got to give us something."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> What example?"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": ">> Come on."}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": ">> I can't say it."}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:15", "text": ">> He wants to know. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": ">> Later."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": ">> I'm afraid."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> Whenever I bring it up to you, you're"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "always like, I did not say that. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "like, you don't think I would remember"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "you saying that?"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> You might have misremembered."}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": ">> I did not remember a lot of things."}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "Is there a possibility you could"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "misremember something?"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:32", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> Not in this circumstance."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": ">> How do you How can you be fully"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "confident in anything?"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": ">> When we are fully When we are new"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "dating, you're you're retaining"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": ">> You dated nude. What is that? New"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "dating."}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:44", "text": ">> Dating. New. You're d You're new at"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "dating."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> Speaking of new dating."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:51", "text": ">> New dating."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": ">> Let's get right into it."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": ">> What are we getting into, pal?"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "recently,"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "and when this comes out, there might be"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "some weird stuff happening, but recently"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "when we're filming this,"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "there's apparently a group of pastors."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:10", "text": ">> Oh, boy."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": ">> Famous pastors, which I don't know any"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "of them truly, but"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": ">> yeah. Do you have the names?"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": ">> Um, one of them is"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": ">> This explains the Blurry Creatures post"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "that I saw."}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": ">> One of them is Perry Stone."}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. Which apparently he's like a"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Yeah, he's a These are all like TV"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "pastors."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": ">> This guy's like super end times"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:37", "text": ">> very stone."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:38", "text": ">> Uh another guy, his name is uh W Joseph"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "Z."}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "And then I don't know who the third guy"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "is, but apparently these pastors"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "were called by some government officials"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "in the intelligence agencies. One of"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "them being a senator, Senator"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "uh or sorry, Congressman uh Eric Burlson"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "Burlson."}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "And they were called and said there"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "needs to be a meeting."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": ">> And so they flew to a location. I think"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "they flew to like Colorado or something."}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "They said, \"Don't bring your cell"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "phones.\""}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": ">> Oh gosh. Typical."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": ">> We have a a meeting that we need to talk"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "with you guys. This whole thing. Let me"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "just start off. It's weird."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:20", "text": ">> It's fishy."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": ">> It stinks of fishiness."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": ">> Like in what way? Like I don't know. We"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "We still haven't given us any"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "information."}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Like what are we talking about?"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": ">> Because I'm just so I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "present it like guys this isah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": ">> I'm like this is weird. Yeah. Like"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:36", "text": ">> anyways, these a bunch of pastors came"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "together."}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:42", "text": ">> Okay. And they were sat in a room. This"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "congressman came out or a video chat or"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "something. And he's like, \"Is everyone"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "sitting down?\""}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:47", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": ">> He said, \"Are all the pastors in the"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "room?\""}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:52", "text": ">> Yes, congressman, we're all here."}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": ">> Yes, sir."}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": ">> Um, and he said, \"The disclosure that is"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "about to come out with these aliens,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": ">> they are going to confirm non-human"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "They're going to basically present it"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "that there's an alien race that has been"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "living here a long time and in fact they"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "are our creators."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": ">> The kind of knocky kind of stuff."}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": ">> No, like reptilian type of things."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:23", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:25", "text": ">> They're are creators. They created the"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "Bible. They created Jesus Christ."}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:27", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": ">> Yikes."}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": ">> Your goal or not your goal. What I'm"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "telling you to do is you need to prepare"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "your congregations"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "for this disclosure."}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": ">> How any pointers on how?"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": ">> Basically saying like I think they're"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "hinting at that this is a deception."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": ">> Oh, I see"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": ">> kind of thing. Um and so there's three"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "pastors that I got videos of them"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "talking about it."}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": ">> I would love to hear Oh, I've only seen"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "the one."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": ">> Which the one of the guys heads close or"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "the guy with the background?"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:02", "text": ">> Background."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": ">> Yeah, that's um the peak guy or whatever"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "his name is. Uh Perry Stone."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": ">> Thank you for describing that in a way"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "where you knew there's no way I"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "remembered names."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": ">> I don't remember names either. Um let me"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "see that. Let me see that."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:14", "text": ">> It's all plugged in. Hang on."}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": ">> It is plugged in. I plugged it in."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": ">> Wait. So tell me just like like really"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "nitpick what you said."}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": ">> Yeah. So this guy's like, \"Prepare your"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "congregation to understand that this is"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "going to be a deception.\" Or he's like,"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "\"Prepare your congregation to learn news"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "that like their whole entire faith is"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "being dismantled.\""}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": ">> The deception, I think. Okay. Because a"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "lot of these they're saying that the the"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "people in the intelligence, which it's I"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "it seems to be part of that that group."}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "I for the life of me, I can't remember"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "their name. Um Tim Alber Tim Alberino"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "talks a lot about them."}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:48", "text": ">> The 12 or something."}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:49", "text": ">> No, it's not the 12. It's um"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:49", "text": ">> describe it to me. I'll I'll do"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": ">> It's basically like um an organization"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "within the government."}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": ">> The Clintons?"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": ">> No. No. That they're Christians."}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "Um it's like a group of Christian"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "politicians that don't want the alien"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "disclosure to come out."}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:08", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> this is wild"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> because um Tim Burchett"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": ">> Yeah. He's like when he was brought this"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "news, they're like, \"We can't we can't"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "disclose this stuff because it's going"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "to ruin people's faith.\""}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:21", "text": ">> And he's like, \"No, it won't.\""}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": ">> And um weird stuff. But here's one of"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "them. And hopefully this doesn't get"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "flagged, Andrew, if it does"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": ">> because it has music under it."}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": ">> So we'll play this and I'll play the"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "other ones, too. But just listen to this"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "one first. We might have to cut this one"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "out or mute."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": ">> We We just add music on top of it."}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:41", "text": ">> Yeah. only a handful of pastors and"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "invited to come to a private meeting"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "with a group of men who are connected"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "with the intelligence world that are"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "believers but are still have very high"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "security clearance. These are legit true"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "men of God that are still connected to"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "Washington and even this current"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "administration and all branches of"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "military. And they literally told us we"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "had a sitting congressman, a very"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "well-known congressman from Missouri. He"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "was he called into that meeting as well"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "that that was just for pastors. And this"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "is what he said on speakerphone. this"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "sitting powerful member of Congress"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "said, \"Are the pastors listening to me?\""}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "I'm getting chills right now because"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "this happened to me. He said, \"Are the"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "pastors in the room listening to me?\""}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "And I said, \"Yes, sir. We are here.\" And"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "he said, \"Listen to me. Go and tell the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "church they are not ready for what is"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "coming. The narrative that is coming,"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "what they are going to say is going to"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "be like nothing you can even imagine."}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "They are preparing to tell us that they"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "are from another dimension. That they"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "are our creator and that these beings,"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "these aliens, whatever you want to call"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "them, they were the ones that seated us"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "here. There is no such thing as God."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Jesus was invented by them. The Bible"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "was invented by them. And begin to just"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "say, \"Listen, prepare the people for"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "what is coming because they're not"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "ready.\" But he loved us so much, he made"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "sure that he told us exactly the"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "blueprint to study. He said, \"Study the"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "days of Noah.\" And if you can understand"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "how Noah responded, that's how you're"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "going to have to respond. And I believe"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "what God is doing in the body of Christ"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "right now is getting us ready because"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "the world is going to have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "questions. The question for you is, are"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "you going to be able to answer it?"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": ">> Can you understand the weirdness of"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "this? Like all this, why? Why?"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "This just seems too obvious."}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:30", "text": ">> Yeah, it seems like it seems way too"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "obvious. Like you don't this kind of"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "stuff. I don't feel like I could be so"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "wrong, but I feel like if there's going"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "to be a deception, it's a true"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "deception."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": ">> And it's not like, guys, there's a"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "deception about to happen, so get ready"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "cuz then now this is viral stuff. It's"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:47", "text": ">> that. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": ">> But what if it's a deception?"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. Like these guys"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "this is the one-two punch"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": ">> because why would the government bring"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "in these pastors knowing that they're"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "going to go out?"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:26:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": ">> There's something weird about it."}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "Discernment doesn't exist in the church"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "like it should. The fact that certain"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "politicians can say, \"I am of the"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "faith,\" and then act the way they do,"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "and be embraced by a large percentage of"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "Christian culture. Just kind of even and"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "not I'm not just talking boomers and"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "Facebook. Like there's Gen Z, Gen Alpha,"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "and millennials too with some of like"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "musicians and stuff like stuff we can"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "clearly see is fake, but like they're"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "not catching on. So when you do things"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "like this, you get pastors together who"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "are making claims. And I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "this isn't an accusation against them,"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "but it's it's like let's just have a"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "little discretion, a little discernment,"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "and kind of like filter through some of"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "this stuff cuz it doesn't feel right."}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": ">> No. Also, I want to say that these"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "people in the government, whoever they"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "are, this congressman, if they are like"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "true followers of Christ and they knew"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "of this horrendous evil deception that's"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "about to happen, say everything then."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:53", "text": ">> You don't be like, \"Guys, something's"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "about to come out.\""}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": ">> So, just get ready. No, you be like,"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "\"This is what's coming out."}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:58", "text": ">> This is what they're going to do.\""}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": ">> Because the kingdom of God matters way"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "more than me going to prison."}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:03", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:04", "text": ">> You know,"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:05", "text": ">> absolutely."}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:07", "text": ">> And the qualifications that put them in"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "the room to these are the pastors that"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "need to be worn to be ready to prepare"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "their congregations. If they have the"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "qualifications to get in the room, they"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "should already be like theologically and"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "biblically equipped to handle something"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "that comes out as discerning pastors."}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "Like, you don't need to be warned"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "deception's coming. When deception"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "happens, as a shepherd, you should be"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "like, \"Hey, there's a wolf.\" I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "need, you know, someone from the wolf"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "pack to come tell me the wolves are"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "coming. I can see it."}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:32", "text": ">> Yeah. And I don't want to bash these"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "pastors cuz I don't know who they are."}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:36", "text": ">> that that's my question. Why these"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "pastors, right?"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:39", "text": ">> Like what's the I mean, obviously they"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "have a following. They've, you know,"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "they teach and people probably love"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "them. I don't know anything about them,"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "so I can't say anything about them. But"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "it's what's their audience? What's their"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "demographic?"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "It seems like they're being set up. And"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "this I say that because this other"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "pastor guy"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:57", "text": ">> who's he has like a talk show or podcast"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "or something."}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:04", "text": ">> He said they gathered the pastors. They"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "flew out from Tennessee to um I think it"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "was Utah. Let me see. They flew out from"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "Boom. Tennessee to Colorado Springs."}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "Um, and what was weird is that on their"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "it was either on their flight there or"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "back, all these pastors,"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "they just so happened to say, \"Look out"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "the window."}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "There's six UFOs.\""}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:26", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": ">> Shut the front door."}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": ">> And so he shows the video of these UFOs"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": ">> these orbs"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:35", "text": ">> being all wacky outside his window. I'm"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "like,"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": ">> that's really suspect. This seems like,"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "okay, if you're just going to play, if"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "you're going to"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "convince these guys of anything,"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:48", "text": ">> make it all secretive. Don't bring your"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "phone."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:51", "text": ">> Everyone get on this plane. I We got an"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "important meeting to talk about."}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:55", "text": ">> Also, here's these UFOs."}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:58", "text": ">> We talk about this this disclosure"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "coming out. This great deception."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "Prepare your congregations. All right,"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "guys. You go home and just prepare your"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "congregations on your flight back. What?"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "There's six UFOs outside the window."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:08", "text": ">> Yeah, that's weird."}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:10", "text": ">> That's that for them it's like that's"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "sealing the deal. Like if I was just"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "like caught up in it like because it"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "seems like it was a fastmoving thing and"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "then you were told this stuff by a"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "congressman and these people in the"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "intelligence agency"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:21", "text": ">> flying back home and I see UFOs, I'd be"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:24", "text": ">> Like you're really that's like a nail in"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "the coffin."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:27", "text": ">> Totally. And you look at that guy's"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "reaction and I'm not once again don't"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "know him so I'm not judging him but"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:33", "text": ">> he emphasized how many times that this"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "dude was a powerful dude in the the pol"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "the world of politics right like he made"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "sure that was an emphasis"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": ">> if I'm trusting anybody"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "on that list is a politician that's"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "powerful like so it's like I mean you"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "have to take that with a grain of salt"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "you could say you're a Christian but if"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "you're a politician a successful"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "powerful one I don't I mean I obviously"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "I'm not in that world but I don't know"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "where the fruit is"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": ">> before we judge them too hard too. Like"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "if I got if I was pastoring and got"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "invited and like felt like it was off,"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "it's like know your enemy. Like I'd"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "still go. So just cuz someone"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": ">> just cuz someone like if if it all does"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "start looking fishy and you're like dang"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "this dude I respected went doesn't mean"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "that dude is bought in. The dude might"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "just be sussing something out. You know,"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": ">> I'm not judging these passers at all. I"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "really think they're potentially part of"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "a a another layer of deception. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "it's never that simple."}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": ">> But what in my brain, what how does that"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "even work? Like what is why would they"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "tell them this? Like is there another"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "layer? Like are they going to be like is"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "it the layer of that this is going to"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "happen and they're going to fake like"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "Jesus coming back?"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": ">> And so then the people are like these"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "are Oh, that's what it was. Who was it?"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "Was it"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> not Albert? There's somebody on"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "blurry. I believe he was from Egypt or"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "something. He talked about he believes"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "that there's going they're going to"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "basically stage"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "like an alien invasion. So there's going"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "to be bad guys, the bad aliens,"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": ">> and then they're going to stage the good"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "aliens, which would be part of like"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "Jesus and stuff. So could that be part"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "of the deception? Like"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> the bad aliens are the Democrats, right?"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> They will they will register as"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "Democrats."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": ">> Any liberal? Yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:20", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": ">> No, but could it be like because they"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "could they stage a"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "My brain is like running right now"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:28", "text": ">> I love this subject."}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": ">> Well, because it reminds me of our"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "interview that we had with Bart."}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": ">> Coolest perspective, coolest"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "conspiracy of his connection with these"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "scientists going missing."}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:39", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:41", "text": ">> And he's like, \"What about the Malaysian"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "flight that went missing years ago?\" Or"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "like, \"What about it?\" He's like,"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "\"There's what was it 20some scientists"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "on it?\""}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:51", "text": ">> Yeah. And he said these scientists were"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "worldrenowned for their holographic"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "technology."}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:56", "text": ">> Yeah. Blue Book."}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Like a connection with Project"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "Blue Book. Something like that. He's"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "like he believes that the planes were"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "swapped out."}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:04", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:05", "text": ">> And that those scientists were brought"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "back to the US."}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:10", "text": ">> And then you have all these So you got"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "these holographic dudes and then you got"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "these guys that are known in"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:16", "text": ">> propulsion."}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "anti-gravity."}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:18", "text": ">> You could create a UFO."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": ">> And make it appear"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:24", "text": ">> and make it appear."}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "And it's like"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "it seems like it's setting the stage for"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": ">> And for fairness to him, he didn't say"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "bring them back to the US. He just said"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "they're collected and somewhere working"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "on something."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:35", "text": ">> I think he did say the US. Did he"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "really?"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:37", "text": ">> Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "that's what he was insinuating and I"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "think he said"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": ">> I'm going to edit out my comment then."}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": ">> Yeah. No, you're fine. Um Yeah, dude. I"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "love this. This is great. And I and it's"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "one of those things where if it is"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "legit, you know, if it is a guy, I get"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "the guy like saying, \"Hey, I can't say"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "everything.\""}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": ">> Yeah, me too. I"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:58", "text": ">> But like he just be ready. And I'm like"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "I I I appreciate that. Whatever. But I"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "also like may and my mind goes he"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "probably didn't disclose certain things"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "because he doesn't know how it's"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "actually going to come out cuz if he"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "releases too much or thing that didn't"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "happen like then it's like okay well now"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "we can't even trust you. But once again,"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "a politician is telling you this and you"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "can't take it as truth, as gospel."}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> Why are they the gatekeepers of"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> That's why I want to know why they got"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "hit."}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> What's their target audience? Are they"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "sold out? Are they I mean, I don't know"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "if this guy's Republican, Democrat,"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "whatever. If it's like a a party thing"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "and so they're all sold out and they"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "trust this guy and it's like I don't"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "know. It's weird, man. It's very very"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "strange."}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:38", "text": ">> But yeah, I was saying like why are"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "politicians the gatekeepers of"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": ">> the unknown."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:43", "text": ">> Mhm. Like"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> that should already turn you off."}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": ">> Like that that's what ticks me off. It's"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "like why? Like who gives you the right"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "to know all this"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": ">> history and look at all the false flags"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "the United States and any other"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "government like for that matter has done"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:59", "text": ">> to deceive the people to sway them in a"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "certain direction. And it's like so now"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "they're the gatekeepers of an alien"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "race. Oh, dude. But that's it. It makes"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "perfect sense why they would be the ones"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "because they can be not speaking for"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "every politician, but they have the"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "propensity to be dishonest, to withhold"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "information. And I think it's all"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "because they want to control us, you"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "know? And that's why these scientists"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "are being silenced because they're like,"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "\"Let me tell you about it.\" And it's"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "like, \"No, dude.\""}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:26", "text": ">> And controlling us could also look like"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "chaos."}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": ">> Yeah. I I will say to play devil's"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "advocate, I could understand why as a"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "believing Congress person, even if it"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "was just like some information, like"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "very little information, it's like"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "things are coming out right now that"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "could deceive the Christian population."}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "And so, be prepared and prepare your"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "congregation so that they do not fall"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "into these traps of aliens being our"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "overlord. I could understand why they"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "would want to do that."}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:53", "text": ">> But why those pastors?"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:53", "text": ">> Why those pastors? I've never Maybe he's"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "friends with them."}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": ">> Why make That's the thing. But like then"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "go have go sit at their church or"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "something. Send a message out yourself"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "to these people and don't let the"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "pastors be the secondhand news kind of"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "guy."}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Also a lot more doomy and"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": ">> gloomy. I don't know if it was that"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "congressman that I mentioned. I think"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "people are speculating that it was that"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "congre."}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": ">> So it wasn't disclosed. That makes sense"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "why his name like if if he dropped his"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "name that's crazy."}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:20", "text": ">> I would also be curious what"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "denomination each of these pastors"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "belong to. If it was one specific"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "denomination."}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:25", "text": ">> I'm very curious. I mean, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "have to go look. Um, I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "look online at their sermons and stuff."}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:29", "text": ">> Mormon."}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:32", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:35", "text": ">> Wait, Bormans were right the whole time."}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": ">> LDS actually stands for look the sky."}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": ">> That's good."}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:40", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, I don't know, man. It's"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "weird."}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:44", "text": ">> I think I think the government is smart"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "enough to leak information kind of like"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "it's like toxic relationship where like"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "I'm going to tell you enough, but I know"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "that I'm I'm not going to give you so"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "much to where you're going to feel the"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "need to keep the bridge open. It's like"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "if I told you everything, you could make"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "your assessment and see where it goes."}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "But it's like if you leak too much of"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "what I've told you, you've lost your"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "contact. So they can only trickle"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "information out. But then it's like this"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "toxic tap that's just dripping"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "misinformation."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": ">> And it's also like like it's kind of"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "like the vibe of like, hey, I can't wait"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "for you to come over tonight because I"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "have something crazy to tell you about"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "Melissa and Xav Xavier."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:21", "text": ">> And and then all day you're like, what"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "could possibly be happening? and you're"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "talking about all your friends. Like, so"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "if he leaks out this tiny information,"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "then it it leaves the pastors, it leaves"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "us to just speculate and blow it out"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "proportion and maybe they're read"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "they're looking at that and saying,"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "\"Okay, what are people looking at?\""}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": ">> And we're playing into it, right?"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:39", "text": ">> It's just weird. I also would urge"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "people,"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": ">> you should go I first go read scripture"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "because that's that's the number one."}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:52", "text": ">> I was right here. But a good take on the"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "UFO stuff is the um orthodoxy and the"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "religion of the future. Father Sarah"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "from Rose"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": ">> Saint"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "very recently."}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:00", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": ">> when they will be saints."}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:05", "text": ">> I mean that that would be we can that's"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "the thing that's what I love about"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "saying these saints is there's no"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "discrimination."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> You can you can live your life to be I"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "mean we're all saints if we're true holy"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "followers of Christ, right?"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:18", "text": ">> Yeah. I aspire for recognition."}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": ">> All all saints were sinners."}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": ">> Um but he has a whole chapter on UFOs"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "and the deception and he goes back in"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "history and back to like early church"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "fathers who wrote about these deceptions"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "that Satan can perform."}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:34", "text": ">> Mainly in the sky."}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:34", "text": ">> Yeah. And he wrote this in the 60s,"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": ">> 60s or 70s. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:43", "text": ">> And what's interesting about it is that"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "he himself, St. Saraphim Rose was um"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "very influenced by new age spiritualism"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "in his youth and tried basically every"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "religion particularly Hinduism"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:55", "text": ">> and like would travel and see all these"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "deities and I think it was it him or was"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "it another book we were reading where he"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "went and he went to worship at one of"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "the Hindu god spaces and then had a"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "spiritual"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": ">> basically discern that that was evil. Um"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "anyway, he he's warning us in the 60s"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "about this new age spiritualism rising"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "up in our country. And then you're"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "reading it now and you see how these"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "things have come to pass in our nation"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "and how it's so ingrained even"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": ">> leaked into our churches."}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:23", "text": ">> Pentecostalism,"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "all this stuff, how"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": ">> I'm I'm going to throw out a"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "counterpoint just to just to mix it up a"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "bit. But if this is a big like SCOP and"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "you need the church to like fully buy"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "into this stuff, what a time to make it"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "canon."}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:40", "text": ">> What do you mean?"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> Like you said, you said he was like"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "sanctified"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": ">> for whatever the word is. So just"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "throwing it out there, it affirms"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "everything he said right as they're"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "saying all this weird sky stuff's about"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "to happen."}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": ">> Yeah, I guess you could look at that."}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": ">> Just throwing that out there as someone"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "who hasn't read the timing."}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": ">> Yeah, timing is weird. Yeah, because he"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "died in the 70s and"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:02", "text": ">> when all of the weird occulty government"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "stuff was also happening."}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": ">> Also canonized as a saint the same week"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "that these pastors met with this."}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:10", "text": ">> Wow, that's so funny."}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:11", "text": ">> That is interesting."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:13", "text": ">> So, what do you think the church's"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "reaction should be? Because I saw that"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "blurry creatures post and I had no idea"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "the context. I was like, this is like it"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "seems super random, but now it makes"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "total sense. Yeah. About just like how"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "churches should be reacting to this."}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "Should pastors be mentioning this on"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:28", "text": ">> Oh, churches. I mean, I would start"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "talking about deception like"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:34", "text": ">> and just saying like what deception has"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "even looked like just through scripture"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:37", "text": ">> and church history."}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:39", "text": ">> Church history especially. Like I mean"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "cuz I was even reading"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:42", "text": ">> I'm reading a book. It's uh St. Anthony"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "the Great, which I talked about a week"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "or two ago."}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": ">> I'm reading his like uh biography kind"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "of thing, but he like has some of his"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "teachings in it."}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:52", "text": ">> This dude's nuts. Like he was living in"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "the desert. There was at one point he"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "was living alone with his door shut in"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "the desert for 20 years straight."}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:40:59", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:00", "text": ">> And somebody would bring him bread like"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "once a week, right?"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": ">> Somebody No, they would bring him bread"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "twice a year."}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:06", "text": ">> And enough bread and he would just eat"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "little morsels of it."}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": ">> And these people came and they're like"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "begging to talk to s an uh Anthony the"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "Great."}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": ">> And um there was they would hear arguing"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "like people fighting and they're like,"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "\"What in the world?\" And they look under"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "the door. No one's in there. And they're"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "like, \"These are demons.\" He's fighting"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "demons right now. Gosh."}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:27", "text": ">> And then he basically yelled out. He's"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "like, \"Why are you guys afraid of"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "demons?\""}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:30", "text": ">> He said, \"They don't have power over"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "us.\" Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": ">> They said, \"We worship the living God"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "who has power. If anything, they have no"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "authority to hurt us unless given the"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "given the authority like Job.\""}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:42", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": ">> given the authority by God."}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:48", "text": ">> Given the authority by God to test us"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "and test our faith like Job. Um"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": ">> what it it's actually like if you're"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "under demonic oppression, it's actually"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "an honor."}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> Yeah, it truly is."}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> Job was sought out."}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:41:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:41:59", "text": ">> I remember when uh we had that"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "experience with the girl who was"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "possessed at that camp and I remember"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "everyone was scared and I was like,"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:06", "text": ">> did she affect any of us or was the"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "devil trying to shut down what was"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "happening?"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": ">> I was like, which means there's re there"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "is a reality to the power that we have"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "access to."}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:17", "text": ">> So it's like what do we have to fear?"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:18", "text": ">> So good there. And have you guys ever"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "seen the movie Big Fish?"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:21", "text": ">> Yeah, of course. Love it."}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:23", "text": ">> So good. It's one of the best. I was"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "watching that last night. Demi wanted to"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "watch it and we were the whole premise"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "like of the movie at the very beginning."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "He see he meets this witch that has this"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "eye that you know can show him how he"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "dies, right? And that gives him the"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "courage throughout his whole life like"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "to do these miraculous things because he"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "knows how he dies. He knows he's an old"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "man and that he's like so it gave him"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "confidence and like I feel like that's"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "the same thing. It's like we're we're"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "told whether we die on this earth in a"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "horrible or long live a long life, you"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "know, whatever it may be, it's like we"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "know how the story ends."}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:53", "text": ">> Like we're going to we got to we got to"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "do it. And so like yeah, like it is an"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "honor to go through trials and"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "tribulations and you know, be attacked"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "by demons if that's the case. If you're"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:01", "text": ">> count it all joy when you meet suffering"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "of various kinds."}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": ">> My word so good. That's my my verse of"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "the season, you guys. So good."}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:10", "text": ">> That there was a chapter in there where"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "he talked about um demonic prophecy."}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:15", "text": ">> Mhm. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:18", "text": ">> And he's like, \"Demons, Satan, cannot"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "prophesy. They do not know the future."}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "What they are, they're clever and"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "they're very good guessers.\""}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:26", "text": ">> And he said, and that's why there's a"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "lot of like hold these prophecies like"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "if the prophecy is false, stone that"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "prophet kind of thing. That was like all"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "throughout scripture. But he's like even"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "he was giving examples. It was crazy."}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "He's like they'll come for be as a"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "person and they'll be like the river is"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "going to flood."}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:45", "text": ">> He said they only know that because that"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "demon was further up the river and saw"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "that it was raining. Rush back and they"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "make this prophecy. And so it's it's"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "some of these prophecies prophecies are"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "true"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:58", "text": ">> to gain their trust in order to further"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "deceive."}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:01", "text": ">> Yeah. For the listeners. It's just"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "calcul calculated predictions instead of"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "prophecies. Right."}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:07", "text": ">> Exactly. for the listeners only"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "prophecies was in quotes."}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:11", "text": ">> Air quoted. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:14", "text": ">> But test everything. Test everything in"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "accordance to what we read in our Bibles"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "and in prayer."}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:18", "text": ">> And that's where the pastors need to"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "step up. It's like you don't have to"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "focus on the aliens, but like look at"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "scripture and like when letters were"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "written to correct, you know,"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "theological issues like look how it was"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "handled in the church."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And be like instead of quoting"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "like in the days of Noah, so it'll be"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "before my return. Yeah. quote like this"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "is what scripture says about deception."}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "Yeah. You know, like let's start talking"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "about that."}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:39", "text": ">> Everything needs to lead to the cross"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": ">> because of course everyone knows that"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "that verse now. It'll be like the days"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "of Noah. Yeah. And it's like"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:47", "text": ">> let's talk about let's prepare everyone"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "to not be deceived. And it don't be so"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "focused on that. If you fully focus on"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "living a life for Christ, blot out the"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "world. The world doesn't matter. Live"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "for the kingdom of God. I guarantee you,"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "you will not be deceived."}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Don't fall for Yeah. You will fall"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "for the tricks."}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:04", "text": ">> It's called discernment."}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:06", "text": ">> God will give you discernment."}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": ">> Discern."}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:09", "text": ">> Discern."}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:13", "text": ">> Speaking of discernment, did you hear"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "about that cruise where it's has a"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "pandemic that's going to wipe out the"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "entire earth?"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> I did not."}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> Okay. 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Bye."}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "Annual labor."}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:59", "text": ">> If this podcast ever goes under, please"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "let's start a lawn service."}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:02", "text": ">> Oh, I'm in."}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:02", "text": ">> Can I just be the marketing guy?"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:03", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:05", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> You can be the leaf blower guy."}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:08", "text": ">> Yeah, that's pretty satisfying."}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:09", "text": ">> We're the big backpack one."}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:10", "text": ">> I want the I want the standing lawn"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "mower."}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:12", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": ">> you see those guys? That's so cool."}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> Have you seen how much money that lawn"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "services make in those like 55 and over"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "like trailer park neighborhoods? Like"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "the nice ones and like"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:22", "text": ">> I know they make a lot. I it was I think"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "it was like a couple hundred bucks a"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "month is what my grandma was paying for"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "her lawn. But I'm talking it's a strip"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "between and they're all cookie cutter."}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "So literally you have a guy edging you"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "got a guy running the mower through and"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "you get the whole freaking HOA"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": ">> and so like I did the math. I forget how"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "many it was like"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:40", "text": ">> if you can book a neighborhood"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:42", "text": ">> that's cuz that's how it works is"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "through the HOA. So literally I mean"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "you're raking in tens of thousand."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": ">> And that's like job security like crazy."}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": ">> But what a tough tough business to get"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "into. There's so many lawn services out"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "there. That's what I'm saying."}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:53", "text": ">> So, what are you going to do to be"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "different?"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:56", "text": ">> But our marketing would be crazy fun."}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": ">> Maybe we do like we get like super"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "jacked and we just do the lawn in like"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "our speedos or something."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:01", "text": ">> I figured that was where we were going"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "anyway."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:06", "text": ">> Yeah. We'll call it um some some like a"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "play on word like magic mics."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": ">> Like the lawn the lawn bronze."}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "Lawn bronze."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": ">> Lawn stars."}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> Lawn stars."}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": ">> Lawn John's"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:24", "text": ">> law Johns. Come on, John."}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": ">> I'm John one. I'm John two."}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:27", "text": ">> John John."}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:27", "text": ">> Those bow buns."}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:28", "text": ">> Bow buns."}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Ridiculous."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Do you want the bun?"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:31", "text": ">> Chop pow."}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:32", "text": ">> Does she uh"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:34", "text": ">> show?"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:35", "text": ">> Do they ship?"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:36", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:37", "text": ">> Sophie's Kitchen."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:37", "text": ">> That's got to be frozen. So, I don't"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> If they do, go to everyone go to"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "Sophie's Kitchen."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:44", "text": ">> Google it. It's the greatest Filipino"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "food I've ever had in my life."}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> Or if you're at Disney, make a little"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "trip. Get you a little something. I'm"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "not going to lie. I'm telling you, that"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "ice cream, that ube ice cream that they"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "gave us, it was phenomenal. The if I"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "could die, if I had to die tomorrow and"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "they're like, \"You have one treat.\""}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:47:59", "text": ">> ube ice cream."}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:01", "text": ">> That ube ice cream, even in that small"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "of a dish, I could eat a whole gallon."}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "But even in that one, I was blown away."}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "She It's another fun surprise later when"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "you go poop and your poop is purple."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> That is fun. It's a fun surprise. We"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "should have We should have more fun"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "surprises like that in the food"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "industry."}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:16", "text": ">> I agree. Like, yeah, it's good food, but"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "guess what? You're also going to have"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "fun taking it home later."}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:21", "text": ">> Yeah, dude. Like Superman ice cream,"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "like half the fun was your poop later."}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:26", "text": ">> Yeah, I've always said that."}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": ">> Ice cream is poop, by the way."}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:29", "text": ">> What if there's like pop rocks, but you"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "didn't know like they were delayed, so"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "you didn't know when they were going to"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "pop?"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:38", "text": ">> It just pops in the water when you poop."}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:41", "text": ">> Um, speaking of pop rocks in your poop,"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:41", "text": ">> question."}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "I did not have a question, so I just"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "texted Allan in the bathroom. I said,"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "\"Hurry, I need a question.\""}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:50", "text": ">> Should we call him right now?"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:52", "text": ">> Can I have a bite of that?"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> For clarity, who was in the bathroom?"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> I texted Allan while I was in the"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "bathroom."}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:56", "text": ">> Oh, you were in the bathroom, not Alan."}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:57", "text": ">> Yes, you can have a bite."}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:48:59", "text": ">> Let me call him real quick. See if he"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "answers."}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": ">> He will. He just texted me. If he"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "doesn't answer you, then there's a"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "problem."}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:08", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a problem. How many of those"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "I've eaten?"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:13", "text": ">> So good. They do spam and eggs."}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "Hola."}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:24", "text": ">> Hey babe, you're on the pod. Hey Alan."}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:25", "text": ">> Oh, how's it going guy?"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:26", "text": ">> Hey,"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:29", "text": ">> why does he sound like AI?"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:31", "text": ">> First of all, this is AI chatbot Ellen."}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "Um, hey, listen. We need a question."}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "This question corner with Lily and Lily"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "came unprepared. So, we need a question"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "from you."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": ">> You sent me one."}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:40", "text": ">> It doesn't matter. It was his. I want to"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "hear him voice. His voice say it."}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "What happened?"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:44", "text": ">> He sent me one. I have it right here."}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:46", "text": ">> Yeah, but what happened? Why didn't you"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "Why did you come to the pod unprepared?"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:48", "text": ">> I was researching something else."}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:50", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:52", "text": ">> I was I promised."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:54", "text": ">> I sent you. Wait, Lily, I sent you two."}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "Which one are you trying to use?"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:57", "text": ">> I want to do the one in the video that"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "you sent because the other one is dumb."}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "We're Christians. We all know how we're"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "going to answer it."}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:02", "text": ">> I still want to hear this one after as"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:05", "text": ">> But you give us you give us the you give"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "us the good one, Alan."}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:10", "text": ">> Okay. The one that is in the video that"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "I sent Lily, uh, it goes like this."}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "Ready?"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:15", "text": ">> So, there's a magic coin. You have a"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "coin."}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:23", "text": ">> Um, you can flip it once per day. That's"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "it. Um, what happens is if you flip it"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "and it lands on heads, you get $1,000."}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": ">> $10,000 or said"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": ">> $10,000. Okay."}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:38", "text": ">> Okay. $10,000."}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "Big money out here. Uh, hail,"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "a llama spawns in your house."}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "The only way to get rid of the llamas is"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "to destroy the coin."}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> How many times are you flipping this"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "coin?"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:02", "text": ">> Oh man, every day. I got the I got the"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:05", "text": ">> you then if if you get tails then you"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "get a llama farm."}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:08", "text": ">> That's"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:09", "text": ">> instantly swap into a llama farm."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:16", "text": ">> Statistically half the time. So let's go"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "a month. So you're 10 grand at 15 days"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "is a lot of money."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:20", "text": ">> It's true."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> It's enough to buy some property. Tales"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "never fails though. So that's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "llamas."}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": ">> That is a lot of llamas. You're I'm"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "assuming this llama has never really"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "been in captivity."}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "I would assume it's wild."}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": ">> I assume all blas are wild, right?"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": ">> Yeah. So, you got to assume there's"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "going to be some damage to"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:39", "text": ">> to your house,"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:42", "text": ">> to your property, right?"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": ">> But 10 grand easy fix another 10 grand"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "the next day."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:46", "text": ">> Buy some property. You're buying"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "property at this point."}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:50", "text": ">> Get a petting llama zoo."}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:51", "text": ">> You can't sell the llamas though because"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "you have to keep them. That's part of"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:59", "text": ">> Yeah, use them llama milk. You can you"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "can do um what what what did llama fur?"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:02", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Yeah. Like yarn. We could"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "sell it to yarn."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:06", "text": ">> You can't destroy them."}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:08", "text": ">> This is a win. Allan, this is a win-win"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "situation here, pal."}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:11", "text": ">> Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You guys are"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "saying all of the ways that you can"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "monetize parts of the llama monetize the"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "fit at all?"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": ">> Oh, we Okay, we know how you slobber and"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "you salivate, dude. We've we've heard"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "this. I think that's where your mind"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "goes."}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:31", "text": ">> Yeah. If this goes back to the other"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "would you rather where you get like it"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "turns to currency, you'd be rolling in"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "the money."}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:41", "text": ">> Um I'm going to say uh flip it forever."}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:42", "text": ">> Yeah. For once a day for the rest of my"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "life. And then if you get tired of the"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "llamas, if they're just if it's just too"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "much to handle, then just figure out a"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "way to destroy that coin."}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:49", "text": ">> Yeah. And then you have llama meat for"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:52", "text": ">> That in itself is going to be very"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "difficult. You'd have to get a really"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "hot fire, right?"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Or just go to a volcano and cast"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "it in."}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:00", "text": ">> Can you leave with the coin?"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:02", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> I didn't know if the coin was bound to"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "your home or something."}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:06", "text": ">> Of course not."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:07", "text": ">> Does Lily think metal's indestructible?"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:08", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:09", "text": ">> I think destroying a coin would be"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "pretty easy."}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:12", "text": ">> It also depends on like what do you mean"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "destroy, right?"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:14", "text": ">> If it was a wooden coin, it'd be super"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "easy."}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:17", "text": ">> Basilisk."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": ">> All right, Alan, we love you so much."}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "Thank you so much for the question."}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": ">> Oh, sure. Have a good one. Hey, congrats"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "me on being a dad."}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": ">> Love you. Hey, Alan. Can I tell you one"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "more thing?"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:32", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:36", "text": ">> His voice sounded so AI. That was so"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "weird. Like there was a pause."}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:39", "text": ">> Hello."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:41", "text": ">> My phone is crapping out. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "It won't unlock."}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:44", "text": ">> Uhoh. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:46", "text": ">> good stuff."}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:47", "text": ">> Car going off."}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "Phone breaking."}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:51", "text": ">> They're watching you. shut up about"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "these pastors."}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:54", "text": ">> They're watching you."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:56", "text": ">> All right. What was the other question?"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": ">> Uh, okay. He said, \"It's a popular"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "question. I've never heard it before.\""}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "Um, he said,"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "\"Everyone in the world has to take a"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "private vote by pressing a red or blue"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "button. If more than 50% of people press"}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "the blue button, everyone survives. If"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "less than 50% of people press the blue"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "button, only people who press the red"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "button survive. Which button would you"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "press?\" And I'm like, \"Obviously, we're"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "Christians. We would all push the blue"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "button. We want everyone to survive. We"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "would be self-sacrificial."}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:26", "text": ">> Yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": ">> were told the rules before or you just"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "like are just does just buttons spawn in"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "front of you and you just like I don't"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "know. I'm going to push it."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> I think you're told the rules before."}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> Then everyone would push the blue"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "button."}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": ">> Everyone needs to press the blue button."}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:40", "text": ">> But I guess people who are like maybe a"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "little narcissistic and fearful would be"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:44", "text": ">> if I press a red button, I'm surviving"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:47", "text": "no matter what."}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:49", "text": ">> Is that the majority or minority? think"}, {"start": "00:54:47", "end": "00:54:50", "text": ">> I would hope it's the minority."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:51", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:52", "text": ">> I think it's the minority."}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:54", "text": ">> Yeah, I think so."}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:55", "text": ">> I'm still optimistic about the condition"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "of the world."}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:58", "text": ">> I get confused with the rules and"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "accidentally hit the red one."}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": ">> Daddy, don't go dang it."}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:03", "text": ">> Aa asked me in the car this morning. She"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "said, \"Do people still live in the"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "jungle?\" And I was like, \"Yeah, some"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "places.\" And she's like, \"Where?\" I was"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "like, \"Oh, boy. I don't know.\" And"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:12", "text": ">> the Amazon."}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> That's what I told her, the Amazon. And"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "I was like, Aydah, you live in a very um"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "particular part of the world where we're"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "one of the most advanced nations, but"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "the world is very big"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:24", "text": ">> and people live very differently"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "everywhere."}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:29", "text": ">> Speaking of the Amazon, did you see the"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "two Marines who were canoeing?"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:32", "text": ">> No. No."}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": ">> Dude, this was crazy. Um I can't show"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "the clip, but the dude's filming himself"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "and he's like bleeding out his leg and"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "his arm and he's like filming."}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "Apparently, they were like exploring a"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "part of the Amazon and I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "it was uncontacted or like minimal uh"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "but they cla or it was pirates is what"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "they said like Amazon. They called them"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "pirates but apparently they looked like"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "an easy target. No weapons. They just"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "had paddles but they're they're"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "literally two Marines from a different I"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "think it was Europe or some somewhere"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "else. Anyways, and he's like oh he's"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "like I just got shot. He's like I had to"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "drown one of them. He was like the rest"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "of them fled but apparently like they"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "got lit up. I was like, \"How is this"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "clip just chilling on the internet? You"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "haven't seen this. I need to look into"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "the full story.\""}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> Why was his buddy filming it?"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": ">> He's filming himself. He's like, \"I've"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "been shot.\" He's like documenting what"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "just happened. We just got attacked. And"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "he was like, \"But you know the story"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "goes like they just looked like two"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "dudes who didn't belong without weapons"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "and turns out they're like elite"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "military or whatever.\""}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:30", "text": ">> Dang, that's funny."}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:31", "text": ">> I could do that, too."}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:32", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": ">> Did I say funny?"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:36", "text": ">> You did."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:36", "text": ">> I might say that's wild. My brain's not"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "working."}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> That's so funny."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:40", "text": ">> I was thinking about these chicks. Did"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "you see the clip of the chicks that were"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "swimming in the Amazon River? All the"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "comments are like, \"I thought we as a"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "collective decided that there was an"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "unswimable body of water.\""}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> I saw one person swimming. Uh they like"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "taken like an excursion. It was like in"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "the Amazon, but it was like one of those"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "the pink dolphins, the very scary ones,"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "like the river dolphins. And she was"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "just like, \"Nope.\" And she's just"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "instantly walking out and then it pans"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "over and it's like the scariest dolphin"}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "in the world."}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. It's like you think, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "I'm going to go swim with the dolphins."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "It's going to be so cute.\" Terrifying."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:10", "text": ">> Hey, hit us with that beat."}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:12", "text": ">> Hit us with what beat."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> This beat."}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:15", "text": ">> Oh. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:16", "text": ">> this beat right here."}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:17", "text": ">> Andrew"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:18", "text": ">> gota"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:20", "text": ">> real."}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:22", "text": ">> Andrew gota"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:24", "text": ">> real"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "shadow"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:26", "text": ">> right now."}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:30", "text": ">> Right now."}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": ">> Show us."}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:34", "text": ">> Good song, guys. This is uh"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:36", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:37", "text": ">> This is a hard one. You're gonna You've"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "seen it."}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:41", "text": ">> Uh you It needs It needs audio"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:42", "text": ">> here. Toss me that cord Andy or you do"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "the chord."}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:48", "text": ">> I don't want to watch this."}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:51", "text": ">> I don't want to watch this right now."}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": ">> As someone who just had a filling"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "breakout, this was hard for me to"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> You had a filling breakout."}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> I did. I had a"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:57:58", "text": ">> break out"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> corner of my tooth cracked off when I"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "had a rock in my rice. Oh, there"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:02", "text": ">> a rock in your Why'd you have a rock in"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "your rice?"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:08", "text": ">> Didn't wash it good enough, apparently."}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:10", "text": ">> Why are you chewing your rice so hard"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "that you broke a filling when you were"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "chewing your rice? Cuz you got to be"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "like doing this."}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": ">> All I'm"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "You've never bent down on something and"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "been like, \"Ow,"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": ">> not rice. Rice is a soft food. You're"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "like this with rice."}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": ">> I eat more.\" Okay."}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:35", "text": ">> Why are you two rice soft? All right."}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "Three, two, one."}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> Oh, there's no"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. Why is he doing that?"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:52", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:52", "text": ">> Oh, why?"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:56", "text": ">> I have no idea what's going on."}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:58:59", "text": ">> What is"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": ">> drinking somewhere? There's better ways"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "to do that."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> I don't know whe that guy."}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:04", "text": ">> He's trying to get stuff out of the"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "tree."}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:07", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:09", "text": ">> Or is he sharpening his teeth?"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:11", "text": ">> I don't think that"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "cuz at the end he's like sucking on the"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "tree."}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:14", "text": ">> He's blowing"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:16", "text": ">> blowing. It looks like looks like a"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "sucking."}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": ">> This is crazy. That is a why. Why would"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "he do that? Why would he do that?"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:25", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:27", "text": ">> That is no fun at all whatsoever. Want"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "to hear a really fast World War II"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "story?"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": ">> Cool. Uh, during World War II, Germans"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "built a fake wooden airfield."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "Apparently, they were trying to seem"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "like their operation was bigger than it"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "was. Um, they built hangers, planes,"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "like the whole nine. So, from the sky,"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "it looked like, you know, a military op."}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "Apparently, uh, the opposition, the RAF,"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "which anyone know what that is? RAF,"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "Royal Air Force, maybe."}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:52", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:54", "text": ">> I think so. um knew about the secret"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "project for months, let them build it,"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "and then once they finally finished it,"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "they dropped a wooden bomb on it."}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "There's a photo of the bomb. That's"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "awesome. That was like, \"Congrats on all"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "your work. We're going to completely"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "troll it.\""}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> That's a gift."}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> They just did they just did fun stuff"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "back then."}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:11", "text": ">> They did. At least"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:14", "text": ">> was fun back then."}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": ">> They You know what? Sure, there's some"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "bad things, but at least they had some"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "fun."}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:20", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:21", "text": ">> Um speaking of not having fun though."}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:23", "text": ">> the cruise."}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:28", "text": ">> Tell me about it. What's going on?"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:30", "text": ">> Obviously, by the time this comes out,"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "it'll be a very different story."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:35", "text": ">> Hopefully not."}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:37", "text": ">> There's this cruise that departed from"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "Argentina."}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:40", "text": ">> Argentina."}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": ">> Um, and it was this How many passengers"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "were on it? Like 300 or something."}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:46", "text": ">> No, less than that. Like 170."}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:48", "text": ">> Okay. 170 passengers. And it was"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "basically like a world exploratory"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:53", "text": "cruise. So they went to like islands off"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "of Antarctica and they're just basically"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "cruising around the world."}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:01:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:04", "text": ">> And um someone got on that ship"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "that was carrying what is known as the"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "Hun virus."}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:10", "text": ">> Oh, Hunter."}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> Can I stop you right there? Do we know"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "that they had it when they got on or did"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "they contract it while on board? The"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "news I saw is that they found the exact"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "location in Argentina where they"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "contracted it."}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:22", "text": ">> No way. Wow."}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:24", "text": ">> Grounds."}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:29", "text": ">> Because of rat poopy."}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:31", "text": ">> Haunt virus is a disease from rodents."}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "And from what they're saying, the"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "mortality rate of haunt virus is"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "anywhere between 30 and 50%."}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "30 and 50% mortality rate."}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:41", "text": ">> Not good."}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:42", "text": ">> Nope."}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": ">> Not good odds. So"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:46", "text": ">> haunt for your rest of your life."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:52", "text": ">> That's bubonic plague style stuff."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:55", "text": ">> So they said it's very rare for haunt"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "virus to be um"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:58", "text": ">> shared."}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:01:59", "text": ">> Yeah. You can't typically contract it"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "from person to person. It's typically"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "from the rodent."}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:02", "text": ">> Okay. So it stops usually with the"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "person."}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:06", "text": ">> Yeah. But it didn't."}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:08", "text": ">> Okay. So it's a variation"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:09", "text": ">> on this cruise. It's adapting."}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:14", "text": ">> Three people died."}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:16", "text": ">> OH MY GOSH. And so what happened was"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "they basically went to I believe it was"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "not the Canary Islands. No, they were"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "going to go to the Canary Islands, but"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "they stopped at an island off the coast"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "of Africa."}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:25", "text": ">> Because they're like people are dying."}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:27", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:30", "text": ">> people are dying. And people are like,"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "\"Do not come to port. Do not come to"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "port."}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": ">> You guys are infected.\""}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": ">> And there's one guy"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:38", "text": ">> that's been posting social media stuff"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "from this cruise."}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:41", "text": ">> One person. one person, which is that's"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "it's weird."}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:44", "text": ">> The guy in the green shirt, right?"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:45", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. I saw you saw that. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "saw a short video. Looked like he was"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "reading a script."}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:48", "text": ">> Jake or something, right? Yeah, it did"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "look like he was reading a script,"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "didn't it?"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:51", "text": ">> Looking off, reading and then kind"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "looking back at the camera. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:56", "text": ">> But then it's like then he like was told"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "that he can no longer release"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "information or do interviews, stuff like"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:00", "text": ">> Which is weird."}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:01", "text": ">> Totally."}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:03", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:06", "text": ">> where is he? He's from Argentina."}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:07", "text": ">> No, he's from I don't know the US, I"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "think."}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:09", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:11", "text": ">> His name is Jake."}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:13", "text": ">> Yeah, you asked."}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:13", "text": ">> People in other countries can't be named"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "Jake."}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:16", "text": ">> It's very rare, I feel like."}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:17", "text": ">> What about England? He was like he was"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "something."}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:20", "text": ">> He's British or something."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": ">> Your name is William if you're from"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "England."}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:26", "text": ">> Anyways,"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "um but these people are talking about"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": "like the news is really building up, but"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "they're also like don't freak out. Like"}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:34", "text": ">> it's very rare for people to contract"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "this, but also if you get it, you'll"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "die."}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:38", "text": ">> Don't freak out. have a chance you will"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "be dead."}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:42", "text": ">> Also, these countries are like, \"No, you"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "can't port. You can't put the boat"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "here.\" But then they're like, \"Okay, the"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "Canary Islands, you can go there.\" And"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "the Canary Islands are like, they said"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "they said, \"No.\""}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Why us?"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:51", "text": ">> I'm sorry. No, you are not allowed to do"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:56", "text": ">> And I think they're they ended up being"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "able to go to Spain,"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:00", "text": ">> I believe,"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:03", "text": ">> undocked. And so people that were on it,"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "they dispersed. They all flew home."}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:06", "text": ">> But they first brought the diseased"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "ones."}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "the ones that had the disease that had"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "not died yet. Yeah. I think they brought"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "them to Germany and stuff."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:16", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:18", "text": ">> And like I mean these dudes are in like"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "hazmat suits and it's like well if it's"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "not that scary why are we why don't we"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:22", "text": ">> Well, it's probably like a new variation"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "like what?"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> Well that's what they're saying. There's"}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "no cure for it."}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:26", "text": ">> Yeah. There's no cure. There's no"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "vaccine. There's no"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> So it's a coin flip whether you're going"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "to die or not. There's nothing we can do"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "about it,"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": ">> right? And it starts the problem with"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "sending these people all over the world"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "is that it takes like 10 days to"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "incubate. So you can have it and not"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "know for like 10 days."}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> Yeah, it's dormant for a while"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:44", "text": ">> and then um it's like a pulmonary thing"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "and then you start throwing up and"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "basically your lungs fill with fluid."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:50", "text": ">> So you're drowning to death."}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:52", "text": ">> You're drowning and you go into shock."}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:54", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:55", "text": ">> And then you die."}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:57", "text": ">> That's not fun."}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:04:59", "text": ">> So this is not one that I'm particularly"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "interested in catching"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:01", "text": ">> of all the viruses."}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:03", "text": ">> It's reminding me a lot of the movie"}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "Contagion. You remember that movie with"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:07", "text": ">> Yeah. What's your face? Your crush, Kate"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "Winslett."}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:10", "text": ">> My crush?"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:11", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:13", "text": ">> You got a lot of crushes you were just"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "telling me about."}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": ">> Dude, you want to hear about case one"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "and case two, people who passed away?"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:19", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:21", "text": ">> This is on the World Health"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "Organization's website. Take it as you"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "will."}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:25", "text": ">> Who?"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:26", "text": ">> Who? Uh, case one, adult male developed"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "symptoms of fever and headache and mild"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "diarrhea on April 6th while on board the"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "ship. April 11th, it developed to"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "respiratory distress and they died on"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "board the same day. No microbiological"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "tests were performed. The body of the"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "passenger was removed from the vessel to"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "St. Helena, which is a British overseas"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "territory on the 24th. This is where it"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "gets interesting. Case 2, an adult"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "female who was in close contact with"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "case one went ashore at St. Helena on"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "April 24th with gastrointestinal"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "symptoms. She subsequently deteriorated"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "during a flight to Johannesburg, South"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "Africa on the 25th of April. She later"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "died upon arrival at the emergency"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "department on the 26th. On May 4th, the"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "case was subsequently confirmed by PCR"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "with antivirus infection. Contact"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "tracing for passengers on the flight has"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "been initiated."}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:21", "text": ">> It's gone. It's spread, baby. Dude, did"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "you ever do that project in like the"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "fourth grade where it's chalera in"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "England and you have to trace back who"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "had it first or like where it came from"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "to stop the spread of disease. Fun, by"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "the way. It's a lot like these murder"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "mystery things where it's like so like"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "who done it."}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:38", "text": ">> Who got everybody sick?"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:40", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:41", "text": ">> Uh and it was the water was poisoned"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:42", "text": ">> because a rat fell in the water."}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:43", "text": ">> Oh, gross."}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:44", "text": ">> Took us like two weeks to get through"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "this thing."}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:48", "text": ">> Here's a here's a fun thing."}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:50", "text": ">> Yeah. talking about demons prophesying."}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:51", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": ">> wait, but go back."}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:56", "text": ">> No, this is still in the Could you just"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:06:59", "text": ">> I'm I'm listening."}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:00", "text": ">> Just listen."}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": ">> There's someone on X"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:04", "text": ">> that goes by Soothsayer."}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:09", "text": ">> Their handle is I am a soothsayer."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:13", "text": ">> Um, they have four posts on their ex"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "account."}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:18", "text": ">> Mhm. colleague"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:20", "text": ">> their uh third post on exac account was"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "they're all posted within"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "seven days in 2022."}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "Um but his third post posted uh June"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "11th 2022"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "all he said was 2023"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:39", "text": "Corona ended"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "2026 hivirus."}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:43", "text": ">> Shut up right now. When did he post"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "again. 2022."}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:50", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:55", "text": ">> So that's weird."}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:57", "text": ">> That is very strange. I'm looking up on"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:01", "text": "Google Trends to see whenever"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> virus started trending."}, {"start": "01:08:01", "end": "01:08:04", "text": ">> That's weird. Weird."}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:05", "text": ">> Yeah, I hate that."}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:06", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:08", "text": ">> rats and ticks, dude."}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:13", "text": ">> Rats and ticks. But there was this one"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "lady that uh Lily and I saw on Take a"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "Duck and she's under the impression that"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "this is all a manufactured scripted"}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "new Corona virus thing with the way that"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "they're setting up the platform."}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:31", "text": ">> Yeah. She's the same one that um"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "connected the ICE detention centers with"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "um experimental."}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:36", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:38", "text": ">> She's very articulate. She's a really"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "good researcher, by the way. She should"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "be I mean like I think she's making a"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "killing on her platforms, but like she"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "should go into like law enforcement or"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "something."}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:49", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, what are we going to do"}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "with that?"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:53", "text": ">> We'll come up with a a cure."}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:55", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:56", "text": ">> You think AI I mean I I'm curious to"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "know what AI is doing in the medical"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "field."}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:00", "text": ">> Like you think we could be solving a ton"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "of stuff."}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:03", "text": ">> They probably already figured it out,"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "but then you got big pharma. They're"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "like, \"No, you can't you can't post that"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "stuff yet.\" That's what makes you"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "wonder."}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:11", "text": ">> I want you guys to know that I was at"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "like the first half of the show really"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "at peace. This that was good. I'm now"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "full panicked."}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:18", "text": ">> It's a deception though. Your your panic"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "is a deception."}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:22", "text": ">> I'm not scared for me. I'm scared for my"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "girls."}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:25", "text": ">> You're raising warriors."}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:27", "text": ">> Janie has weak lungs."}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "This is a lung disease."}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:30", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> You're raising warriors."}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:33", "text": ">> But Janie has a strong spirit. M"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:35", "text": ">> I don't want her to hear this and think"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:36", "text": "that I think she has weak lungs. She"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "does have weak lungs."}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:38", "text": ">> She's going to listen to this 20 years"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "from now. Thought I had weak lungs."}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:41", "text": ">> What the heck, mom?"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:42", "text": ">> She becomes an ultramarathoner"}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:45", "text": "just to prove you wrong."}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:46", "text": ">> Um so are they setting the stage for"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "another outbreak?"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:49", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> That is a little I mean why wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "they though? Like why wouldn't they like"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:58", "text": ">> cuz co was just like mortality rate was"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "very small. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:02", "text": ">> I will say, you know, that right now the"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:03", "text": "scientists are doing boop boop boop boop"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:05", "text": "boop. With all the news lines going out,"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "they're figuring out this antivirus"}, {"start": "01:10:05", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "cure."}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": ">> Sure. But is it going to be a"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:12", "text": ">> is it going to be like another forced"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:13", "text": ">> vaccination thing?"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:15", "text": ">> I might take this one,"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:17", "text": ">> dude. We all got to get we all got to"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "get blow dart guns because if there's a"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "rat infestation,"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "could be fun."}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:21", "text": ">> We get really good at slingshots."}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:25", "text": ">> I don't know where my slingshot went."}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:26", "text": ">> You gave me a slingshot. I don't know"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "where it went."}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:27", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": ">> Can't find it. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:32", "text": ">> I really want to get good at it now. Um,"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "it makes you wonder like if you know"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "like think of like the UFO like the fake"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "alien attack and stuff like that. It's"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "like they released some type of virus"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "out there."}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:44", "text": ">> Yeah, this haunt. It's not haunt virus."}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:47", "text": ">> It's from another It's from an asteroid"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:48", "text": ">> and the aliens are coming for the to"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "give us the cure. Y"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:50", "text": ">> so take this injection."}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:51", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:52", "text": ">> Who is it?"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:53", "text": ">> Lily."}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:54", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:56", "text": ">> I don't want to catch this."}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:58", "text": ">> Li, it's it's not real. There are a few"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "things that I would"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:03", "text": ">> I would inoculate against Ebola."}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:05", "text": ">> This I got you, Josh."}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:07", "text": ">> But they got to be tested."}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:11", "text": ">> Have you Who was it that just filed a"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "patent um with the use of frequency? 5G"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "is the argument where they can actually"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "biologically activate cells. I forget"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "the owner of this patent."}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:20", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": ">> I looked into it. I just can't remember"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "who it is. I can insert it later. I'll"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "just put it up on the screen. So"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "basically what happens is these cells"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "are carriers and they figured out that"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:33", "text": "you can use frequency to shed the"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "exterior layer. So if you had something"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "injected into you, they could activate"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "it biologically change your structure or"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "something within your system by use of"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "frequency. So you could be a carrier of"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "this unknown thing. It is a protein."}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "It's I looked it up. It's not the same"}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "spike protein that we had a few years"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "ago. I'm trying to avoid buzzwords, but"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:54", "text": ">> the haunt virus."}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:56", "text": ">> No, no, no, no, no. But the"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:56", "text": ">> No, no, the other one that like shut"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "everything down."}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:00", "text": ">> Yeah, I know. But I'm You're saying the"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "the haunt virus has a protein or"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:04", "text": ">> I'm not talking about haunt virus at"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "all. I'm just saying that the frequency"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "with an injectable biological thing. So"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "whatever whether it's you know the"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "what's the tick one whether it's ticks"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "or Yeah. Or no, the other one the the"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:16", "text": "one that does meat."}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:17", "text": ">> Oh yeah, whatever."}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:19", "text": ">> It's a weird name."}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:20", "text": ">> Whatever. Alpha Gal."}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": ">> Yeah, Alpha Gal. what whatever they're"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "staging cuz it's just easy to hate on"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "that. Um, but whatever they're staging,"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "they now have the tech to where they can"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "put something in you where the frequency"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "sheds the outer layer. And so literally"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "dormant carriers can exist in your"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "system. The patent has just been filed."}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "And so that patent got filed and then"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "this is this is like such a trust me bro"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "segment because I'm really forgetting"}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "everything. But then they did there's a"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "they they released more patent"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "information on AirPods and what they're"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "able to do with them. Like they actually"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "map like electrodes. Um this like"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "literally it's better than having your"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "brain"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": ">> hooked up with all the things with all"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "the sensors. The fact that they like the"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "the amount of intel that they take in,"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "but a patent just got filed with them,"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "too. So they're literally tracking all"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "your biometrics just by wearing AirPods"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "now."}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": ">> Creepy. That patent got filed."}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> AirPods are bad. Apparently like wired"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "headphones are like on the rise for the"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "first time in like 10 years. Did you"}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "see?"}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:19", "text": ">> I use wired headphones."}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:21", "text": ">> I saw that segment and they're like,"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "\"Oh, because they're just everyone wants"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "to be nostalgic.\" I said, \"No, probably"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "because people are like, I don't want to"}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "stuff a radioactive Bluetooth thing in"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "my brain.\" Yeah. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": ">> dude. I said the other day or it's"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "always been said that the guy that"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "invented Bluetooth doesn't even use"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "Bluetooth headphones. And all these"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "comments were like, \"That's false."}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "That's not true. Bluetooth doesn't do"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "anything to you.\" It's like, \"What do"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "you think it's doing, though? It's"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "literally stuff passing through your"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "noggin, dude. You're dome.\" Yeah. It's"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "not It can't be good for you. No."}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:48", "text": ">> Whether it's, you know, like"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:49", "text": ">> it's got to have some type of negative"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "effect. It has to be."}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:52", "text": ">> Speaking of stuff that's not good for"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "you."}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:56", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": ">> I have been feeding my children organic"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "strawberries since they were infants."}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:02", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:02", "text": ">> Driscoll organic strawberries."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:05", "text": ">> Because in the offseason, that's the"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "only people that's making them."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:12", "text": ">> 12 different types of pesticides. It's"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "literally that area. Driscoll Farms"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:17", "text": ">> in California."}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:19", "text": ">> In California, it has a 35% increased"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "rate of childhood cancer."}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:23", "text": ">> Holy crap."}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:25", "text": ">> Driscoll strawberries. Organic."}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:26", "text": ">> There's no such thing as organic."}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:27", "text": ">> In America,"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:27", "text": ">> there's no such thing as organic in"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "America."}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:29", "text": ">> There's no such thing."}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:32", "text": ">> Like even if like it might be a little"}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "bit more organic, like you know, like"}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "you can grow in your backyard, but still"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "then you're talking about all the"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "fertilizer, the stuff that's in the"}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "ground. You talk like, you know, the"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "cows and what they're eating, whatever."}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "It's like you can get a little more"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "organic, but there's no such thing as"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "organic even,"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:46", "text": ">> dude. Like even if you grow it at home,"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "like what you're saying,"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:48", "text": ">> it's all been treated Yeah. with"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "garbage."}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:52", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:56", "text": ">> even the corn in my corn feeders, the"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "meat's not completely perfect."}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> I'm in a tizzy, you guys."}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": ">> It's Yeah, it's nuts. We say it's wild."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:03", "text": ">> Like literally Jesus, come back right"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "now. But then we also we also get so"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "worried about all that stuff. And then"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "like my uh my mom's dad"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:13", "text": ">> like ate a bologn sandwich on Wonder"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "White bread with a Pepsi and a bag of"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "Lays for lunch every day of his freaking"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "life and he lived over 80."}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:20", "text": ">> Yeah, that's crazy. That's like my"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "grandfather. Yeah, my my aunt says that"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "my grandfather Voldemort came to get him"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "that he just evaporated."}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:26", "text": ">> But that's the thing. It's like it"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "doesn't matter like I don't I don't"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "think longevity in life is the goal."}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "It's just like we don't want to be"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "poisoned."}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:36", "text": ">> No. Yeah. or like sick or given junk"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "that we don't want to eat. Don't lie to"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "us."}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:39", "text": ">> Yeah. If I'm paying for organic"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "strawberries, I don't want it to have"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "garbage on it."}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:45", "text": ">> And it's just impossible to trust"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "anything. I do think that it's better if"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "you grow your own stuff because at least"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:49", "text": "it's not getting sprayed with garbage."}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:51", "text": ">> Organic. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:15:49", "end": "01:15:53", "text": ">> Um and so that's what we'll be doing."}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:55", "text": ">> There has to be such a crazy cultural"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "shift though. There's a it's Dave"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "something or other bread. It's like the"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "better bread in the grocery store. Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "and then Target's close to our house. We"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "go to Target all the time, but then they"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "got organic bananas and regular bananas."}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "And every time we buy the Dave's bread,"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "I'm like looking at like the expiration"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "date. I'm like, it expires in like 3"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "days. Like I got to eat this whole loaf"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "in three days. And then the bananas,"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "too. It's like,"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:19", "text": ">> no, you freeze the kind of bread."}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:20", "text": ">> Also, when did milk expiration become"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "like two months out?"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:23", "text": ">> Our organic milk"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:23", "text": ">> does seem like it's getting longer,"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:23", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:27", "text": ">> I've also have never had rotten eggs."}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:29", "text": ">> Oh, good. I literally was just talking"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "to Ada about a rotten egg we opened in"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "your house."}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:33", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:34", "text": ">> I've never had that. Maybe we just go"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "through them too fast."}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:37", "text": ">> I know when it's rotten, too."}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:38", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:40", "text": ">> The yolk was black."}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:41", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:43", "text": ">> I've never Yeah, that's the thing. I"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "even as a kid, I was like, I've never"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "like I don't think I should try. I've"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "never thought like, oh, these eggs are"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:51", "text": "expired. It's like I've never had a bad"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "egg. No, it's usually what would what"}, {"start": "01:16:51", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "would happen how we got a rotten egg is"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "that we had chickens or it was um your"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "mom's chickens and if it sits out in the"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "coupe for too long and you don't collect"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "it in Oh,"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:04", "text": ">> also if you wash the egg and put it on"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "your counter."}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:06", "text": ">> But and Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:08", "text": ">> They'll make it go rotten."}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:09", "text": ">> If you wash them fresh,"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:11", "text": ">> you got to keep them fresh and then when"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "you're ready to cook it, then you wash"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "the egg off."}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Interesting."}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:16", "text": ">> A protective blue."}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:17", "text": ">> You wash it before cooking."}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:19", "text": ">> Yeah. If it came straight out of a"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "chicken from a chicken,"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:22", "text": ">> you're cracking it on your skillet. You"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "got all that stuff on the outside."}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:25", "text": ">> Crack it on the skillet. I just"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "carefully crack it and open it."}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:27", "text": ">> You get a little chicken poop flake"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "flake in it"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:30", "text": ">> on the side"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:31", "text": ">> on your counter."}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:32", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:33", "text": ">> I do that, too."}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:34", "text": ">> Nothing falls out."}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:35", "text": ">> Well, that's what I'm saying. But you"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "wash it."}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:38", "text": ">> He's saying you don't wash it and then"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "you're cracking."}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:41", "text": ">> You just It's only if you keep chickens."}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "If you buy"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:45", "text": ">> My neighbor has My neighbor keeps"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "chickens. I get fresh fresh eggs. Also,"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "people that people that wash their"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "chicken."}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Crazy. Wash your chicken, dude."}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:54", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I saw that."}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:57", "text": ">> It's a huge thing. It's not like some"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "people thousands upon thousands of"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:00", "text": "people. And it's like,"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:01", "text": ">> you're not doing anything."}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:02", "text": ">> You're actually making it worse."}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:04", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Doesn't it invite more bacteria?"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:08", "text": "Abs bring anything into your sink? Yeah."}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "Absolut. It's I know there's going to be"}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "people like, I wash my It's gross."}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:13", "text": ">> Don't wash it."}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:15", "text": ">> It's like, oh yeah, chicken slime is"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "gross. Yeah, but I don't I I'm I'm"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "cooking it."}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:18", "text": ">> Yeah, you're not you're not"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:20", "text": ">> I'm cooking it."}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:21", "text": ">> It's not a toy for my children."}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:23", "text": ">> It's crazy."}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:24", "text": ">> Speaking of toy for children, can you"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "tell us about these dolphins?"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:28", "text": ">> Dude, let me tell you about some"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "dolphins. Kamicazi dolphins."}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:32", "text": ">> Pardon?"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:34", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what I said. So, there was"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "like a White House meeting or something."}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "Pete Higgsth was talking and one of the"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "reporters like, \"Hey, can you tell us a"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "little bit more about these kamicazi"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "dolphins?\" And I said, \"Pause. What are"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "we talking about here? This is crazy."}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "And so this isn't a new idea either."}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "This is gone back to Vietnam times."}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "Right now, currently, there are 85"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "bottl-nose dolphins that are being"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "employed by the US Navy mammal like"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "program."}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:07", "text": ">> Is this confirmed?"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:09", "text": ">> 110%. And like 50 sea lions. Okay."}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:11", "text": ">> It is it's it's crazy. The the the"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "rabbit hole with this is absolutely"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "wild. So they first started using that"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "we know of confirmed in Vietnam back in"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "the day. They would no joke use these"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "dolphins, train them using their"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:26", "text": "echolocation. They would strap sonar"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "devices to them to go and find certain"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "mines within lakes, rivers, oceans, all"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:34", "text": "this stuff. And so they would find these"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "mines. And then they later trained these"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "dolphins once they located them cuz it"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "would be murky, dirty water that you"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "couldn't go down there and see anything."}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:44", "text": "Those dolphins would go down there, come"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "back up after confirming where these"}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "mines are. They would strap these little"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "tiny explosive devices for the dolphins"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "to place, it's like B7s, I think what"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "they're called. Place them on their nose"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "with a little tube and everything."}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "They'd go down there, they'd place them"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "gently next to the mines, and then 10,"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "15 hours later, kaboom, and they're"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "gone."}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:06", "text": ">> The dolphins are fine, right?"}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:08", "text": ">> That's what I thought you about to say."}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:09", "text": ">> No, no, the dolphins are fine. And, you"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "know, in Vietnam, and they even use"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "these in Iraq and everything, they would"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "literally go through and use their"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "echolocation to find to put uh bombs on"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "this the holes of ships, place them"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "there, and it's incredible, and it's"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "super super wild. But now they're"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "talking about kamicazi dolphins where"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "you literally strap a larger explosive"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "to a dolphin. And the Soviet Russians"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "have done this. They they put literally"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "bombs on these dolphins and they run"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "them into either mines or to ships and"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "that's what makes them explode and the"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "dolphins die. It's awful."}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:45", "text": ">> What does Peta have to say about this?"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:46", "text": ">> I mean they can't do nothing."}, {"start": "01:20:45", "end": "01:20:47", "text": ">> What does Peta Hexth have to say about"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:51", "text": ">> Petth he says, \"When you can you give me"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "more animals?\" No, but that's the clip I"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "saw where he was being questioned about"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "the reporter like, \"Can you tell us"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "about these kamicazi dolphins?\" And he's"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "like, \"I can neither confirm nor deny"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "these kamicazi dolphins.\""}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:02", "text": ">> They're not real. But he just loves that"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "hot take."}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:05", "text": ">> He said like I think he said like they"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "have them, but we can't like confirm or"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "deny the word. We have them, you know,"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:11", "text": "anything like that. But they literally"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "train these things for years and it's"}, {"start": "01:21:11", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "like it's just like basically a bomb"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "dog, a squat, like a a SWAT dog like but"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "it's for mammals, right? And now"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "This opens the whole theory because you"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "always talk about dolphins. Everyone"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "someone's going to comment this is why"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "it's illegal to talk to dolphins. And I"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "looked it up. There is very loose"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:36", "text": "language. It is a federal offense to"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "interact with a dolphin in any way with"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "like without beyond the confines of like"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "you know like you know what structure"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "do. Yeah. Like that or like you know"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "you're swimming with dolphin whatever."}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "And this pinpoints back to this right"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "here where they're training dolphins and"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "you don't know which dolphins they're"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "training."}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:54", "text": ">> And when dolphins, yes, they are very"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "smart. They're very intelligent. Their"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "brains are like double the size of ours,"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "but they get very easily distracted."}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "They're like a six-year-old kid. Like"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "you tell them to do something, they're"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "going to do it, but then something"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "shinier or brighter has over here. It's"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "like, I'm going to go that way. And so"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "you don't interact on that cruise ship."}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Or this little kid that's surfing,"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:13", "text": "you know, like whatever it may be. And"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "so that is literally it's a federal"}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "offense to interact and they even"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "communicate they say and that's there's"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "been people that get in trouble. That's"}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "like the loose language. They don't say"}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "communicate but people have gotten in"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "trouble with like being on the side of a"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "boat and like and know just not even"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "touching the dolphin but like"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "interacting and talking with it. Yes."}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:33", "text": ">> People have gotten in trouble if you"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:35", "text": ">> you can't talk to that dolphin."}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:36", "text": ">> Let me look up. It's like the"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:39", "text": ">> I got the certain act I got to hear a"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:41", "text": "screenshot. The Marine M."}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:42", "text": ">> STOP TALKING TO THAT DOLPHIN RIGHT NOW."}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:44", "text": ">> PUT YOUR HANDS UP."}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:45", "text": ">> WHAT' YOU SAY TO THAT DOLPHIN"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "INTERROGATION?"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:50", "text": ">> The Marine Mammal Protection Act and"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "unknown knowingly harassing, hunting,"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "capturing or killing. So obviously the"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "hunting, capturing, killing, that's"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "obvious."}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:58", "text": ">> But the harassing, that's where the"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "loose language comes in. And like, you"}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "know, they can get you for literally"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "anything. Go. So, I think that's what a"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "lot of people are saying is that when"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "they're training these dolphins, they're"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "not labeling which dolphin they're"}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "training or stuff like that. They've got"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "trackers, whatever, but it's like if you"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "as a human come up with a dolphin that"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "they're interacting with, it's like that"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:16", "text": "can compromise a lot of what they've got"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:16", "text": "going on."}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:18", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:19", "text": ">> So crazy."}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:21", "text": ">> That is so interesting because you would"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "think that they would keep them like a"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "like kind of like a government SeaWorld"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "where they would put them in a big thing"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "and train them there, but they're"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "keeping them wild."}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Eating them in the open ocean."}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:34", "text": ">> Yeah. observing."}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:36", "text": ">> What if all of the orca attacks were"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "training's gone wrong? We tried to"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:39", "text": "upgrade to orca."}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:41", "text": ">> Interesting. That'd be terrible."}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:43", "text": ">> Taking the livers out of people. My god,"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:44", "text": ">> I like the way your brain works, Andrew."}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "That's a good theory."}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:48", "text": ">> Yeah, but that's the thing. You like"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "they have pods that they show like in"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "Soviet Russia, like they would have pods"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "where they would keep these dolphins and"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "there there's even US Navy guys who have"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "came out and talked about it when"}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "they're training. And they, no joke,"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "they do their best. It's like"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "hideand-seek training. So, the guys will"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "dive down and they attach these glow"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "sticks basically to this dolphin. You go"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:11", "text": "down and you hide from this dolphin and"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "you the longer the better. And so this"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "they got the guys go down there. They're"}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "hiding and then suddenly"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:17", "text": ">> oh my gosh"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:18", "text": ">> this thing just zooms by this light and"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "you're like I think we got him. And then"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "suddenly he zooms right back. You're"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "like, \"Oh, I don't think he can see us.\""}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "And then suddenly this guy comes up."}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:30", "text": ">> Dolphin flies at him, hitting him in the"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "nose. Two weeks, two black eyes."}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:34", "text": ">> Oh, they're so smart."}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:36", "text": ">> They're so smart. And they can see"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "everything. I mean, they're incredibly"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "fast. They're incredibly intelligent."}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "And it's like, of course, we would use"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "them for weapons. As a bad guy, you're"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "like, \"Yes, it's like freaking sharks"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "with laser beams, right?\" Like, it's"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Like like freaking sharks with"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "laser beams attached to their freaking"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "head."}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:52", "text": ">> WE'VE GOT DOLPHINS WITH BOMBS on their"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "noses. It's the craziest thing."}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:55", "text": ">> That's from Austin Powers, by the way."}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah, they actually said that at that"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "White House briefing."}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:24:59", "text": ">> They quoted it. He's like, \"Oh, gone.\""}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:00", "text": ">> But that was also probably to downplay"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:03", "text": "it a little bit."}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:04", "text": ">> But I also think kamicazi dolphin is a"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:06", "text": "great t-shirt, by the way."}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> Oh, great t-shirt."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> With letters like the Japanese letter"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "kamicazi dolphin."}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Holding like"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> dolphins. That's our dolphin or alien"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "shirt."}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:14", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:17", "text": ">> Oh, dude, you're cooking."}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "My kamicazi dolphin is better than"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:21", "text": ">> my kamicazi dolphin is better than your"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "toy poodle or something like that. Like"}, {"start": "01:25:21", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "that kind of thing. Any who, this"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:27", "text": "segment, what you have just brought to"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "light. If I can encourage our viewers."}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:29", "text": ">> Wait, wait, wait. I Let me just say this"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "real quick because this is a great idea"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "for a t-shirt."}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:36", "text": ">> Instead of the don't tread on me, it's"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "the dolphin says don't talk to me."}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:38", "text": ">> That's good."}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:39", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:40", "text": ">> that's good."}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:41", "text": ">> Always ruined."}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:42", "text": ">> No, don't you dare."}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:44", "text": ">> I had to say that otherwise I would"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "forget. He did that every time."}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:46", "text": ">> That's what I was going to say. I would"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "forget it."}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:50", "text": ">> Imagine imagine if you he you he did"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "that to you every time you interrupted"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "him."}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:53", "text": ">> He just said, \"You know what? I don't"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:54", "text": "want to talk anymore.\""}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:55", "text": ">> All right, finish your thought."}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:57", "text": ">> What I was going to say is if you can"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "imagine it, it's happening."}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:26:00", "text": ">> That's what's going on."}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Anything is possible at this"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:04", "text": "point. Are dolphins being used as like,"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "you know, like weapons? Yeah, they are."}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "Of course they are."}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:09", "text": ">> Imagine looking at the world that way."}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:10", "text": "If you go out, you go out and you're on"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "a cruise with your family and you're"}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:13", "text": "like, \"That could be a weapon. That"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "could be a weapon.\" instead of like"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "appreciating the world. That's sad."}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:18", "text": ">> I'd be a wealthy man."}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:20", "text": ">> Like looking look looking at an atom"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "bomb saying, \"I bet penguins made this.\""}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "You know,"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:26", "text": ">> dude, dolphins have a documented like"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:27", "text": "dark sense of humor, though. Like my"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:29", "text": "buddy was diving under the Destin Bridge"}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "just like checking out fish. And this"}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:35", "text": "dolphin kept on appearing directly"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "behind him. Like he'd turn around slowly"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "and it would and it wasn't like hovering"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "like a fish. It'd be vertical like like"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:45", "text": "this like [ __ ] and it'd like freak him"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "out and then it would dart off but it"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "kept doing it to him. It like sent him"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "out of the water a little bit."}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": ">> Dude, I've been surfing and I'm like I"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "can't tell what that is and it turned"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "not chasing fish and it did it to me. I"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "mean the fastest I've ever seen"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "something move in the water and got like"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "I'm about to get impaled and then just"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "at the last second veered off and I was"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:05", "text": "like what a weird thing to happen."}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "Freaked me out. And then I saw it happen"}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:07", "text": "to other people in the water."}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:09", "text": ">> Just playing with people."}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:10", "text": ">> Yeah. just like this is fun. People are"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "freaking out."}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:13", "text": ">> Did you see that video of the guys?"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "What's that? You're on a surfboard and"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "it goes up like this."}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:17", "text": ">> Like the hydro or the"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> It's like the epitome of"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> Was it Was it fake?"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:19", "text": ">> It's real."}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:20", "text": ">> No, it's real."}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:22", "text": ">> It's real surfing."}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:23", "text": ">> No, no, the the footage with the shark"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "chasing him."}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:25", "text": ">> Oh, I don't Yeah, I've seen that. Foil"}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "boarding is what it's called."}, {"start": "01:27:25", "end": "01:27:27", "text": ">> Foil boarding. I knew it had something"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:29", "text": "to do with foil."}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:31", "text": ">> It's real. It's real surfing."}, {"start": "01:27:29", "end": "01:27:32", "text": ">> Like it's the next step. Like I mean, if"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "you can't actually surf."}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:36", "text": ">> I mean like if you if you like if you"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "can surf, that's the next level. And if"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "you can't do that, then you just stick"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:41", "text": "to"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:43", "text": ">> foil boarding is like that's that's the"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "next generation of true surfers."}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:49", "text": ">> This shark, this shark was maybe a great"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "white, maybe a bull shark. It was like a"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "great white tiger or white. I don't"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "remember."}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:55", "text": ">> It was ginormous and it was chasing the"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "dude and the guy seen the clip. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:27:58", "text": ">> He's going right beside him and he's"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "like, \"Don't fall off.\""}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:02", "text": ">> And then he sits and stops."}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:04", "text": ">> I didn't see that. I but the guy he like"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "stumbled for a second but this shark's"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:08", "text": "just going like just chasing them."}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:09", "text": ">> The biggest shark in the world."}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:11", "text": ">> Huge."}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:13", "text": ">> I will I will say those dudes I like the"}, {"start": "01:28:11", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "use of foiling for that. So they're"}, {"start": "01:28:13", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "island hopping and they're trying to"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "ride like the windb blown swells. It's"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "kind of like a like a means of"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "transportation."}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> Foil boys."}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:23", "text": ">> Dude, when you're Have you seen like"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "injuries people trying to do it and"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "those things come out of the water?"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:28", "text": ">> Slash you,"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:32", "text": ">> dude. I' I've literally I was surfing I"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "was at Sununglow uh over like on the way"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "down to Pon Inletby Joe's"}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:36", "text": ">> and this dude is like doing his thing"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "and I'm like that's cool. And so you"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "know you bob a wave kind of you can't"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "see him because the next wave comes up"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "and then he comes up and I'm like the"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "dude's 20 feet in front of me pumping"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "looking like a goof and literally just"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "loses it flips upside down board kind of"}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "like I mean you're looking at the blade"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "out the water 20t away and I'm like what"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "what on earth are you doing? Like how is"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "this okay to be this close to me?"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:28:59", "text": ">> Cut someone's head off."}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:01", "text": ">> I'm watching the video right now. That"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "is so scary cuz they're like they're not"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "near lamp."}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Send that to the group so Andrew"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "could post it on the what we're talking"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:09", "text": "about."}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:11", "text": ">> Goodness, dude. So scary."}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:13", "text": ">> Do you guys want a story about speaking"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "of"}, {"start": "01:29:13", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "haunt haunt virus and strawberries that"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:19", "text": "give you cancer?"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:21", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:29:19", "end": "01:29:23", "text": ">> This is a story from my brother."}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:26", "text": ">> Oh, hi Taylor. Taylor"}, {"start": "01:29:23", "end": "01:29:31", "text": ">> gave me this story. Very fun story. Very"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "crazy story about Roman soldiers that"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "were defeated by honey."}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:37", "text": ">> Oo."}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:40", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:42", "text": ">> Very fun. And excuse me, I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:43", "text": "mispronounce everything in this story."}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:47", "text": ">> Is it in Italian?"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:51", "text": ">> No, it's this um so Rome, it was"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "happening during the uh mythraatic"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:58", "text": "war. the mythratic war. So Rome was"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "fighting Mithrates"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "uh the six upur"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:05", "text": ">> that was pretty good actually."}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:06", "text": ">> I don't know what he is."}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:08", "text": ">> What time period is this?"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:10", "text": ">> Mithrates whenever the Romans were"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "around. I don't know."}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:15", "text": ">> They're still around today."}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:18", "text": ">> It was in the I think the BC era. Um,"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "but Mithrates, he was this king that was"}, {"start": "01:30:18", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "like the thorn in Rome's side. And I,"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "let me look. Can you look up, Andrew,"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "where he was from? Mithrides."}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:32", "text": ">> Yeah, that's easy spelling."}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> Uh, mi t h r i d a tes."}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> That actually was the sixth, right?"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> The sixth. Um, but"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:39", "text": ">> Pontis,"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:40", "text": ">> what was it?"}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:41", "text": ">> Kingdom of Pontius."}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:46", "text": ">> Pontious. What is that?"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:46", "text": ">> Northern Anatolia. What is that today?"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:47", "text": ">> Turkey."}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:48", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:50", "text": ">> Maybe."}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:53", "text": ">> Oh, if it is, it is Turkey. Yeah. Um,"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> dude, Turkey look like the faux shisel."}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> Yeah, Turkey was wild back in the day."}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "Still is."}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:31:02", "text": ">> Crazy."}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:03", "text": ">> Um, so these Romans were fighting uh"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "Mithrates"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "and this king. So, some backstory on"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "this king. His father was a king. His"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "father was killed by being poisoned. So"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "Mithrates was the next in line"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:19", "text": ">> and was constantly trying to be"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "assassinated by people in the kingdom"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "and even his own mother."}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> primarily by poisoning."}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:29", "text": ">> So he was so crazy about being poisoning"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "that he decided to take upon himself to"}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "micro dose poisoning."}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:34", "text": ">> Genius. We should start doing that."}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": ">> And built an intoler like he built a"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "tolerance or um yeah tolerance to"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:41", "text": "poisons."}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:44", "text": ">> Wow. But in this he just became like the"}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "one of the first chemists like of the"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "world."}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:51", "text": ">> But what he did was there was a a Roman"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "a group of Roman soldiers about a"}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "thousand of them that were making their"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "way towards Mithrates and his kingdom in"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "these villages. And so what Mithrates"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:06", "text": "did was he had these um villagers take"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "what is called mad honey and place it"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "along the road. these mad honeycombs"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "along the road. And when you consume it,"}, {"start": "01:32:10", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "it's not an instant thing, but when you"}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "consume it, it contains uh GRA, sorry,"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "GRA non-toxin. GRA non-toxin."}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:23", "text": "But what this does, it creates"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "dizziness, vomiting, slow heart rate,"}, {"start": "01:32:23", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "and hallucinations."}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:26", "text": ">> Oh my gosh,"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:29", "text": ">> what a wild way to go."}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:30", "text": ">> Like like the wasp thing from Vice,"}, {"start": "01:32:29", "end": "01:32:32", "text": ">> the bee thing. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:35", "text": ">> cuz wasps don't produce honey."}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:35", "text": ">> Whatever. Josh,"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:37", "text": ">> you know what I'm talking about."}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:41", "text": ">> Wasps. Yeah, I don't know if it's that."}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:42", "text": "I I I think it could possibly be that or"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "he made their they made their own honey"}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "like they had it"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:46", "text": ">> the bees like pollinate with certain"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "plants and whatnot"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:50", "text": ">> to make this mad honey."}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:52", "text": ">> Anyways, they set it out on the road"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:53", "text": "these and so they they like retreat and"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "so the Roman soldiers are like these"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "guys we're they're afraid of us and like"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:32:59", "text": "oh look at honey let's eat it."}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:02", "text": ">> So all these Roman soldiers ate it."}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:05", "text": ">> They were tripping out of their minds"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "throwing up dizzy. They came back,"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "killed all the Romans."}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:08", "text": ">> Holy moly."}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:10", "text": ">> Word. Good thinking."}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:11", "text": ">> I mean, that's good. They're defenseless"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "at that point."}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:15", "text": ">> Yeah. So, yeah, they massacred a"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "thousand Roman soldiers in that battle"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "just by Mad Honey."}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:21", "text": ">> But what's crazy,"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "this is the first known recorded"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "chemical or biological warfare."}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:26", "text": ">> So, like that's pretty"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:28", "text": ">> crazy."}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:33", "text": ">> Um, but Mithrides"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "he Oh. 134 BC. So that's when he was"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "backing up,"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:37", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:41", "text": ">> Um he"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "was overtaken by Rome finally"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:46", "text": ">> and he's like, I don't want to be taken"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "that by them. I'm going to myself."}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:48", "text": ">> So what he tries to do is poison"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "himself."}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:53", "text": ">> Oh my. He's been micro doing this whole"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:54", "text": "[ __ ] He can't get rid of himself by"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "poisoning."}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:56", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:33:57", "text": ">> He tries tries tries. Nothing is"}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "affecting him."}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:33:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:01", "text": ">> He's like, I'm just too good."}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:03", "text": ">> Yeah. That was too good. Dang it."}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:04", "text": ">> So he has his bodyguard."}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:08", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:08", "text": ">> And that is the story of Mithrides."}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:11", "text": ">> Mad honey."}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:13", "text": ">> Wow. It causes double vision, muscular"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:14", "text": "like like you lose control of"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:16", "text": "everything. There's like other"}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "neurological stuff and like low blood"}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "pressure. So you're literally just like"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "can't control yourself and see in two"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "and you're just like trying to defend"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "while you know off your rocker."}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:28", "text": ">> There's no such thing as free honey. But"}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "it's apparently it's a honey off of a"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "certain plant."}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:31", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:34", "text": ">> Oh, this is fun. In fact, I forgot to"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "leave out. He developed a complex"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "antidote called mythrodatium."}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:39", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:42", "text": ">> Um, said to contain dozens of"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:45", "text": "ingredients, herbs, resins, maybe even"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "even some snake venom, later adapted by"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "the Romans into the"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:57", "text": "how do you say that? Theak theak use for"}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:57", "text": "centuries. So like as an antivenenom."}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:01", "text": ">> Like for centuries they used his potion."}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:03", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:03", "text": ">> To like So if you get poison you take"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "this stuff."}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:06", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. Antivenenom dude."}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> You should start micro doing havirus."}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:11", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. Just start"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:13", "text": "kissing some rats."}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:15", "text": ">> Yeah. I've been killing rats in my"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:17", "text": "garage. So bring them in."}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:20", "text": ">> What were you saying? Li"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:22", "text": ">> I was thinking about cuz my antivenenom."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "I have um a very overactive imagination"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "about terrible things that can happen."}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "Maybe it's unresolved postpartum"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "anxiety."}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:29", "text": ">> Good self-awareness."}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:30", "text": ">> Um, thank you."}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:32", "text": ">> I'm so scared that my children are going"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "to be bit by a water moccasin at our"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "lake and that our local hospital won't"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "have a moxasin antivenenom. I've been"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:39", "text": "thinking about calling them and asking"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:41", "text": "them to stock"}, {"start": "01:35:39", "end": "01:35:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:41", "end": "01:35:44", "text": ">> antivenenom for moccasins. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:45", "text": ">> In the event,"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:47", "text": ">> maybe we could stock it and I could"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:48", "text": "become a chemist and figure out what"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "kind of dosage they need for"}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "antivenenom. Um,"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:52", "text": ">> I think they're gonna have a lot of"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:54", "text": ">> Poisoning a bunch of kids or something."}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:57", "text": ">> And I only think about that because of"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:59", "text": "that gentleman. This is so sad, but and"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "and friends with Kyle Gray who passed"}, {"start": "01:35:59", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "away because he got malaria and came to"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "America and they couldn't figure out"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:07", "text": "what's going on with him. And by the"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "time they figured out that it was"}, {"start": "01:36:07", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "malaria, it was too late because none of"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "the hospitals stock a cure for malaria"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "even though there is a cure. The closest"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "one was in like Tennessee. And I'm like,"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:19", "text": "malaria is a huge threat to the world"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "population. Then why doesn't every"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "hospital have a malaria cure?"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> That's actually"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:25", "text": ">> or like yeah got a malaria button like"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:26", "text": ">> I promise you central Florida has"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:28", "text": "moccasin antib"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:30", "text": ">> for sure. And if not they would airlift"}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "you to like Orlando where they for sure."}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:31", "text": ">> Is it going to be fast enough? I don't"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:32", "text": "know."}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:34", "text": ">> Promise you."}, {"start": "01:36:32", "end": "01:36:36", "text": ">> Yeah. It's not it's not like a kind of"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "thing. It's like your leg starts"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "swelling up."}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:38", "text": ">> You got time."}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:43", "text": ">> You got like dudes get like bit hunting"}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "way out in the woods and have time to"}, {"start": "01:36:43", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "keep their heart rate low and get back."}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:48", "text": ">> I'm an extremely paranoid person."}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:49", "text": ">> No. No, she's not."}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:51", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:54", "text": ">> Speaking of being extremely paranoid, I"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "want to connect your story of the Leche"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:37:00", "text": ">> to Native Alaskan culture across the"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "Bearing Straight cuz they have something"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "that's almost identical."}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:05", "text": ">> That's pretty close to Russia."}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:07", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. And isn't it"}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "weird in a completely different time"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "across the sea, they have the same"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "stories of very similar crypted. So,"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "yeah,"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:14", "text": ">> I'm going to just tell the story. I'll"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "give you the name later. Um, there's a"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:19", "text": "fisherman near Sitka. He's native and"}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "he's checking his crab pots. He's going"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "along the shoreline. Um, and he said"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "there's like a fog that rolled in. Now,"}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "this is part of their oral tradition."}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "So, there's no name to this man. Um, you"}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:31", "text": "know, take it or leave it, but this is"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "this is how the story they tell goes."}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "And so, the fog rolls in. He's working."}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "He hears what sounded like a child"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "crying from the treeine. And so, he"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "quits with his crabbing. He docks his"}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:45", "text": "boat on the shore. Um, it didn't make"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:47", "text": "sense. There was no houses, no camps."}, {"start": "01:37:45", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "He's out in the wilderness like far away"}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "from everything. He ignored it at first."}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "He's like, \"Maybe it's like a weird bird"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:53", "text": "or something that's like just messing"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:55", "text": "with my head and I heard it weird, but"}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "it gets louder and louder and it seemed"}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "like it was being carried in on the"}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "fog.\" He's like, \"All right, this is"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "weird.\" Um, so he hears it. This time"}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "it's clear. Um, and then instead of just"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "a baby crying, he begins to hear a kid's"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "voice and he's like, and then he he"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": "starts to distinguish language in the in"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:14", "text": "the sound. He's like, \"It's a kid"}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "calling for help.\" Um, so he walks a"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "little closer on the shore to the wood"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "line. He's trying to see into the trees,"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "like, you know, cautiously, but he's"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "like, \"What's what's over here?\" And,"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "uh, the crying stops as he approaches"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "the trees. And instead of the kid's"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "voice calling for help, the voice"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:33", "text": "changes a little, and he heard his"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:36", "text": "brother's voice clear as day, calling"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:38", "text": "his name, asking him to come in deeper."}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:40", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. And he's like lives near"}, {"start": "01:38:38", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "his brother, like he's they're they hunt"}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "together or what? doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "Doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:48", "text": ">> So, that's when he said it hit him. He's"}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "like, it's he said it wasn't like fear,"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "but just like an uncanny feeling,"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "basically is how he described it. Um or"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "how they tell it. More like something"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "was uh something didn't belong. He later"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "described as realizing um he was being"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "he says he was being pulled into the"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "forest like not physically but there was"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "this emotional thing that was happening"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:09", "text": ">> hypnotized"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:12", "text": ">> where it was like it was like I'm going"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "to play on every human emotion you have"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "to make you feel like it's your"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "responsibility to come deeper into the"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "woods like that's how it played so it"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "starts as a baby I need to protect this"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "baby then it's a kid help I can help a"}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:24", "text": "kid and now it's like okay he's not"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "coming in let's go personal like I'm"}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:28", "text": "going to use the voice of his brother"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:31", "text": ">> and that it pulls him deeper in."}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:32", "text": ">> And so right as soon as he like it it"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "all kind of clicks to him before he"}, {"start": "01:39:32", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "steps in the woods he's like I remember"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "the stories of my ancestors and uh it's"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "called the Kushtaka and instead of going"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "toward the voice turned around got back"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "in his boat hauled off and uh as soon as"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "he pushed off he said he saw movement on"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:51", "text": "the shoreline low dark shapes moving"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:53", "text": "away that weren't quite human or quite"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "animal. There wasn't a clear face,"}, {"start": "01:39:53", "end": "01:39:57", "text": "wasn't a clear form. It was just"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:39:59", "text": "something watching, but as soon as he"}, {"start": "01:39:57", "end": "01:40:00", "text": "pushed off from the shore, the voices"}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "stopped. So the entire time they were"}, {"start": "01:40:00", "end": "01:40:03", "text": "calling, calling calling and then"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "getting louder and starting to stir. And"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:09", "text": "as soon as he pushed away, they gave up."}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:12", "text": "And so there's this legend of a creature"}, {"start": "01:40:09", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "that's uh half like otter, half human,"}, {"start": "01:40:12", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "and can become either fully otter or"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "fully human or a mix of the two."}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:24", "text": ">> But it's it it kind of does the same"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "emotional thing. It kind of protects the"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:28", "text": "forest in the same sort of way. I just"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:31", "text": "think it's really crazy that they have"}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "the same stories of the same tools to"}, {"start": "01:40:31", "end": "01:40:35", "text": "lure people deeper into the forest in"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "Alaska with their native people as they"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "do in Russia with the lei. It's"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "absolutely insane. Um, and uh I'm trying"}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "to remember the name of the creature."}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "Um, they put them on totems. Um, I don't"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:52", "text": "know how to say this. Uh, these stories"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "come from the cling. TLI and GIT people"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "and other southeastern Alaskan groups."}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:40:59", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:02", "text": ">> But these are some of the uh the forms"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "that are associated with I believe"}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:04", "text": ">> uh scary"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:07", "text": ">> with these stories."}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:10", "text": ">> That doesn't look like an otter."}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:13", "text": ">> Gosh, scary."}, {"start": "01:41:10", "end": "01:41:15", "text": ">> How about the the the face opening up?"}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:16", "text": ">> Yeah, that is"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:18", "text": ">> that's terrifying. Could you imagine?"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:21", "text": "That's not the there's another thing I"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:23", "text": "had that is connected to that and the"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "Leche as well. It's in the Appalachian"}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "Mountains and they're they call them"}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:29", "text": "it's basically a broad term but they"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "call it the don't look at them"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:32", "text": ">> don't look at it entities."}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:34", "text": ">> Oh my gosh, I'm covered in goosebumps."}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:34", "text": ">> That's that is a great theory for a"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "home."}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:39", "text": ">> Um but they said the quote is if you"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "hear something if you hear or sense"}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "something out there don't look at it."}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:45", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Uh, and the common traits of"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "the don't look at it entities. They call"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "your name from the woods, mimicking"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "someone that you know, making strange"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "noises that uh that are just off the"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:59", "text": "trail. Um, but these stories come from"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:02", "text": "like Scot Scotch uh ScotsIrish, English"}, {"start": "01:41:59", "end": "01:42:04", "text": "folklore, German immigrants, and"}, {"start": "01:42:02", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "indigenous Appalachian beliefs."}, {"start": "01:42:04", "end": "01:42:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:07", "text": ">> So, it's not just like one group of"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:08", "text": "people."}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:09", "text": ">> Yeah. It's everybody that lived in"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "Appalachia then."}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:11", "text": ">> Yeah. um"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:13", "text": ">> like immigrated or born."}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:17", "text": ">> But basically these things they they"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "mimic people um and if you look at them"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "people disappear."}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:21", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:22", "text": ">> And what's so creepy too is that like I"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "think we've talked about it before the"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "Appalachian Mountains are like some of"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:26", "text": "the oldest mountains in the world."}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:27", "text": ">> They're scary. A lot of scary tales"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:29", "text": "dude."}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:33", "text": ">> And so it's like you get these stories"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "primarily from the Europe Asia area,"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "right? That was they believe at some"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "point the Appalachian Mountains were"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "like a part of like up there by England"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:43", "text": "and stuff and it just split."}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:45", "text": ">> Wow. Shut the front door."}, {"start": "01:42:43", "end": "01:42:46", "text": ">> So it's like could something have been"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:49", "text": "carried over?"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:53", "text": ">> This dude don't even know about Pangia"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "about Pangia. Um but yeah, they they"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:57", "text": "have a couple theories of like what they"}, {"start": "01:42:54", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "could be. They call like spirits or"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:00", "text": "hints. Is that a thing?"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:02", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Yes, we talked about that"}, {"start": "01:43:00", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "from sinners. She thought it was a hint,"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "but it turns out to be vampires."}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:08", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a hint. But there's um"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "listen, I was telling you the other day"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "about the southern porches. It's a a"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "thing, an old thing that we would do as"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:19", "text": "southerners. You paint the ceiling of"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "your porch blue"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:23", "text": ">> to protect from hints. What's a hint?"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:25", "text": "Can somebody cover that next week?"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> I hate"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> um also that's silly cuz we got we got"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "Jesus."}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:31", "text": ">> I got that blood above my door frame."}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> Oh. scared"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:34", "text": ">> and my windows are crooked."}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:36", "text": ">> But the indigenous people believe that"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:38", "text": "they were forest spirits, trickster"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "beings, or territorial entities, which"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:42", "text": "lines up with Teleti and this thing."}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:44", "text": ">> Don't they call them mimics, too? Isn't"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "that something out of Appalachia?"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:46", "text": ">> Yes, dude. Did you see that video?"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:48", "text": ">> That's very scary."}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:51", "text": ">> Did you see that video of the girl? I"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:54", "text": "bet it was made up, but it haunted me"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "for so long. And Josh had seen it, too."}, {"start": "01:43:54", "end": "01:43:57", "text": "And I couldn't even get the words out. I"}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "was so scared to talk to him about it."}, {"start": "01:43:57", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "But the girl was in her barn at"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "nighttime in Appalachia feeding like her"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "cow or her pig."}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:10", "text": ">> And she pan she's she hears a wrestle."}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "She pans up. Oh my gosh. I'm scared"}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "talking. She pans up and it's her in the"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "corner facing the wall like Blair Witch"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "Project."}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:23", "text": ">> Blair Witch baby."}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:23", "text": ">> And she goes and she's like backing up"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "and running out."}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:25", "text": ">> She runs her car."}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:27", "text": ">> She runs to her car."}, {"start": "01:44:25", "end": "01:44:28", "text": ">> Car doesn't start. doesn't start."}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:29", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:30", "text": ">> And they all the comments are like,"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "\"That's a mimic. That's a mimic.\" And"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "I'm like, \"Josh, it's a mimic.\""}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:38", "text": ">> And there's there's What's the rule for?"}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "Is it don't look at it or is there"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:41", "text": "something I think there's a rule with"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "mimics? Like you're not allowed to talk"}, {"start": "01:44:41", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "to them or call There's something."}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:45", "text": ">> It was the opposite. I thought you did"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "call them out."}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:46", "text": ">> I can't remember. Like I know what you"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "are."}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I'd say I repeat Jesus."}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> Yeah. The cross."}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:54", "text": ">> I'm looking I'm looking it up."}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:57", "text": ">> Yeah. We'll we'll dive into mimics and"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "hates. I feel like that's a good a good"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "little"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:01", "text": ">> sounds like it's so close to a"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "derogatory term,"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:03", "text": ">> doesn't it?"}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:04", "text": ">> Yeah, it feels bad to say it."}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:06", "text": ">> I uh I will take an anti-anxiety for"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "that episode."}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:09", "text": ">> So, warn me ahead of time."}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:11", "text": ">> Speaking of anti-anxiety for an episode,"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:14", "text": "we got an episode right after this,"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "folks, on patreon.com/ninjas or"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "butterflies. Our dolphins are aliens."}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "Half episodes, baby."}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:21", "text": ">> Yes, we talk about things that we didn't"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "cover on here. It's a little more fun, a"}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "little more relaxed. Lily lets"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "everything fly on there. Yes, it's"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "Patreon, babe."}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:27", "text": ">> It's Patreon. And guess what I'm gonna"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "be talking about?"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:31", "text": ">> What you going to talk about?"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:33", "text": ">> So, last week on our Patreon episode,"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "our homeboy Keith, he gave us these uh"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "these Metazoo cards. They're cryptids."}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:39", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:41", "text": ">> And uh we pulled a pack yesterday and I"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "chose a crypted out of it to talk about."}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:44", "text": ">> So, and I'm going to pull more."}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:46", "text": ">> Hey, every week."}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:47", "text": ">> Every week."}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:50", "text": ">> Uh Lily,"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:51", "text": ">> I'm going to talk about Elvis being an"}, {"start": "01:45:50", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "oult wizard."}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:56", "text": ">> Oo. All right. I like that."}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:57", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, guys, go to"}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "patreon.com/ninjas"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "orb butterflies."}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:00", "text": ">> Uh,"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:02", "text": ">> we got some things happening there in"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "the next couple weeks, next month. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "some changes are going to be happening."}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "Good changes."}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:09", "text": ">> Good changes. Really awesome changes."}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:11", "text": ">> Unless you're an editor."}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:13", "text": ">> Um, but uh hopefully we got a new shirt"}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "coming through. Dolphins Aliens. That'd"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "be kind of fun. Yeah. So, um,"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:18", "text": ">> go ahead."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:18", "text": ">> Go."}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:20", "text": ">> Your turn."}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:22", "text": ">> Go to go to"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:24", "text": ">> sendagwag.com."}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:25", "text": "Get Ninja merch. If you uh love the"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:28", "text": "podcast, you're gonna love our merch."}, {"start": "01:46:25", "end": "01:46:30", "text": ">> Or if you your organization, your"}, {"start": "01:46:28", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "company, whatever, orders custom"}, {"start": "01:46:30", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "apparel, custom t-shirts, hats,"}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "stickers, whatever. 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Cool thing is we have artists"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:58", "text": "here. So all you have to do is say I"}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "want this on a shirt and we can do it."}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "Well said, Andrew."}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> What do you have to say"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:04", "text": ">> about Sunday cool?"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:04", "text": ">> About anything?"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:09", "text": ">> final words."}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:10", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Happy to be here."}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "Happy to be alive."}, {"start": "01:47:10", "end": "01:47:11", "text": ">> Accepting award."}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": ">> Hey, I want to plug this real quick."}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:16", "text": "Well, I'll give you some time. You"}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:18", "text": "ready? You got like 15 seconds. No, you"}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:21", "text": "got you 15 seconds to come up with your"}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "words. I think you guys might have"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "encountered a mimic as I'm reading what"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:26", "text": "they do and I'm gonna talk about it on"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "Patreon."}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "Fun."}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:33", "text": ">> All right. We love you. Jesus loves you."}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:34", "text": "We'll see you on Patreon."}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:37", "text": ">> Not even joking."}, {"start": "01:47:34", "end": "01:47:39", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I don't even know if I want"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:41", "text": ">> what you're about to see."}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:43", "text": ">> Can I disturb you?"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:46", "text": ">> If any of you know what these"}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:47", "text": "multi-deade UAPs are, aliens."}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:50", "text": ">> Have a heart attack when you see your"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "life. Bottlenose fish."}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:52", "text": ">> There's a massive police responder."}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:53", "text": ">> Oh, the dolphin thing."}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> Dolphin style attack."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "St. Mary from Egypt. She was a very"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "promiscuous young lady. Fornication all"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "in the holy city of Jerusalem. She comes"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "to the church of the holy supplr where"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "the cross is going. Doors open. She goes"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "to walk in. She cannot pass through the"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "doorway. She looks and she sees an icon"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "of Mary and Jesus. Instantly hears all"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "of her sin and she says, \"I repent. I"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "won't do this anymore.\" She devotes her"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "whole life to just serving Christ. 40"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "years later, there was this priest"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "during Holy Week. He would walk through"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "the desert outside of Jerusalem. First"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "he sees this figure in the desert and"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "there was a woman. She knew everything"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "about him. He said that she was so wise"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "in the scriptures and she says I don't"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "know how to read or write. Mary has"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "taught me everything about Christ."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Holy moly."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> She said for 17 years I was battling"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "with lust until it finally broke. And so"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "now my whole life is just dedicated to"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "Christ. All I ask of you, you don't come"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "back out here until next year and please"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "bring me Eucharist, the Holy Communion"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "cuz for I've never taken it. Comes back"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "after a year. She takes communion for"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "the first time. a year later comes back,"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "finds her dead in the exact same spot,"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "but in the ground written beside her"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "says the date of which she died and uh"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "bury me here. So, she had been laying in"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "that spot for a whole year after taking"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "communion, but her body was completely"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "uncorrupted, but the ground was just"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "super hard and super rocky. Lion walks"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "up to Mary and licks her feet and he"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "says, \"Surely the Lord has sent you. Can"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "you help me dig this hole?\" Immediately"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "the lion digs the hole. He buries Mary."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "And so what? Yeah."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Anthony the Great of Egypt, the father"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "of monasticism, 270 AD-ish."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> What a wild world."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Crazy. But he's like, \"I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "go live as a monk.\" He founded a vacant"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "tomb. Basically, someone followed him"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "out there. He's like, \"I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "live in here, and if you could just"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "bring me bread every now and then.\" He"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "lived in this tomb, and the stories that"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "he tells and that people tell around"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "Anthony the Great are insane. At one"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "point, he literally battled the devil"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "himself. So, this one story, these"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "demons just start tormenting him in this"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "tomb. And they literally beat him up so"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "bad to where he almost died. They start"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "attacking him more and more. And at this"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "point, he'd just been praying [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "and praying. And this is such a cool"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "quote."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> \"Our trust in the Lord is like a seal to"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "us and like a wall of safety.\" And as"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "soon as he said that,"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "the ceiling just opened up. The whole"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "cave was shaking, and just a piercing"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "light came in. All the demons fled, and"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "God spoke to him, \"Because you have"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "endured and have not been defeated, I"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "will always be your helper, and I will"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "make your name known everywhere.\""}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Wow. He inspired thousands and thousands"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "and thousands of monks."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> And almost 2,000 years later, we're"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "talking about him still in his story."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Kalupalik, the monster below who never"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "blinks because it's constantly watching"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "and it only presies on little children."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "You're in the Arctic. It's freezing"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "cold. The people in the village are"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "always very clear. Do not go on the thin"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "ice. Do not go to the edge of the water."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "This little boy is out on an adventure"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "with his dog and they're walking around"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "and suddenly he hears a tap and there's"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "no one around. It's just him and his"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "dog. He keeps following the sound of"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "this tap. So he gets to the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "water cuz he thinks there might be"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "somebody under there. He looks over and"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "then suddenly a long scaly slimy hand"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "grabs his ankle, pulls him into the"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "water."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> The dog starts panicking trying to grab"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "at him. He tries to grab at the dog. The"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "kid goes underwater. The dog runs back"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "to the village, starts barking like"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "crazy. They realize the kid's not with"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "him. So, they follow this dog. The dog's"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "going absolutely nuts and he takes him"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "to the edge of the water. He's literally"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "looking at the water barking. And they"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "realize this may have been a visit from"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "what they call the kalupalik, which is a"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "humanoid aquatic creature. And it's been"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "passed down through generations in"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "indigenous culture all over. This"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "creature lives under the ice near"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "shorelines in dark, shallow coastal"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "waters. Apparently, it feeds off their"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "youth so she can never age. This is a"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "very scary story for little children."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "The most mysterious whale, the 52 herz"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "whale, also called the loneliest whale,"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "what they presume is a whale, cuz they"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "actually don't know. One of the most"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "fascinating and mysterious in marine"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "biology. And at 52 hertz, nothing can"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "hear it. So, nothing can respond to it"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "either. They've never been able to get a"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "visual of it, but they've been listening"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "to it for decades in the Pacific."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "They're doing military sonar scanning"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "the ocean floor, and they picked up on"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "what sounded like a whale, but"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "registering at 52 hertz. And so they're"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "like, \"What is this thing?\" They assume"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "that maybe it's a hybrid whale, maybe a"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "mix between a blue whale and a fin"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "whale, which they apparently can"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "interbreed, which is fascinating. What's"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "crazy is that the migration patterns"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "follow the whales migration patterns."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> That's cool."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> There's no proof of it except for the 52"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Herz audio that they've recorded from"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "the ocean, and it's just like deep, dark"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "ocean where they're just getting this"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "very high pitch whale noise. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> What if it's like an alien ship, though?"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "I don't No whale."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "People are reporting that CERN turned"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "back on. I just found some really"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "interesting things. There's a kernel of"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "truth that gets stretched. Particle"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "collisions create conditions similar to"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "the early universe. Physics talks about"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "things like quantum fields, extra"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "dimensions, virtual particles popping in"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "and out of existence. That's the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "definition of portal."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> There was this one scientist that did"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "talk about she saw like a ghostly"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "apparition happening within the tube"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "while it was happening. There was this"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "viral video years ago of a ritual"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "outside of CERN that turned out to be a"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "staged prank by employees, not a real"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "experiment or event."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> No, they were doing a ceremony in front"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "of the god Shiva."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> That's scary stuff."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> CERN is creepy to me."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> What if they end up being successful and"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "then they create a universe inside of"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "our Earth?"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> That's a true worry or fear that they"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "could create a black hole"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> that we just get sucked into"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> and that we would"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> That seems like pretty instant."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> We wouldn't feel it."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Maybe. Maybe it has to grow though."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "I got to TELL YOU ABOUT AN ISLAND."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> THIS IS A STORY ABOUT a good man who"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "owns an island. This is tiny private"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "island outside Long Island between New"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "York and Connecticut, owned by a man"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "named Dean Cayman, who also was the"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "inventor of the Segue. This guy became"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "uber uber rich, became super successful."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "This guy buys this island, just"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "completely turns it into his own"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "country. He declared it the kingdom of"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "North Dumpling."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "He declared himself the king. He created"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "his own flag, his own constitution,"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "established laws. He had a treaty with"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "the president at the time, George HW"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Bush. Bush visited this island, came to"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "the island, he gave him a tour, they"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "shook hands, and he said that US would"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "not invade and he would remain"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "completely independent."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Wow. They had a handshake agreement"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "treaty right then and there that he's on"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "his"}]